--- Log opened Sun Apr 01 00:00:27 2018
2018-04-01T00:00:32 < sync> yeah ACC is nice when it works
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2018-04-01T00:00:48 < sync> but most of the time I'm faster than the average traffic so eh
2018-04-01T00:01:41 < tpw_rules> that's why you set it to faster than the average traffic
2018-04-01T00:03:55 < sync> yeah but then the A part of ACC is useless
2018-04-01T00:04:25 < zyp> sync, you also got roads wide enough that all the cars are driving side by side, not after each other
2018-04-01T00:04:40 < zyp> not all the world is like that
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2018-04-01T00:06:03 < sync> true, but when I had acc on country roads I did not really like it
2018-04-01T00:06:55 < zyp> because you compulsely have to pass every car you catch up to anyway? :p
2018-04-01T00:07:02 < zyp> compulsively*
2018-04-01T00:07:35 < sync> yes
2018-04-01T00:07:39 < BrainDamage> speed limits are quaint and the handbrake is for shorter turns
2018-04-01T00:07:44 < tpw_rules> ^
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2018-04-01T00:31:56 < Steffanx> Do youre back to 3d printing zyp?
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2018-04-01T00:33:47 < stvn> tct
2018-04-01T00:34:48 < zyp> got tempted to dick around a bit more with the project I started last year
2018-04-01T00:34:57 < Steffanx> So*
2018-04-01T00:35:48 < zyp> IIRC I got the basic logic for one axis working, so it's kinda waiting for a test setup with multiple axes
2018-04-01T00:36:23 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/rIH6Z.jpg <- last year I were doing some precise pencil spinning
2018-04-01T00:38:20 < zyp> now, one of my friends are complaining that he has too many 3d printers around, so he's telling people to come «borrow» the chinacrap one to free up some room
2018-04-01T00:38:43 < zyp> so I'm tempted to go get that and set it up as a testbed for motion stuff
2018-04-01T00:43:56 < Steffanx> Ah always nice
2018-04-01T00:48:11 < stvn> ya
2018-04-01T00:51:20 < zyp> it'd be a cool project if I got it working like I want
2018-04-01T00:53:31 < zyp> plan is to instead of having a bunch of wiring from everywhere to a central pcb, I'll put microcontrollers everywhere they are useful, and just use USB SOF to sync them up
2018-04-01T01:00:28 < zyp> conceptually it's pretty simple, first just establish a common timebase, which is as simple as starting a timer at a given SOF number
2018-04-01T01:00:57 < zyp> then prepare a block of motion segments and send each mcu the segments for its axes
2018-04-01T01:01:24 < zyp> then tell all mcus to start executing the segments at a given time
2018-04-01T01:03:16 < zyp> only challenge is making sure the start command doesn't arrive too late
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2018-04-01T01:06:23 < zyp> but as long as the host latency is consistent enough, that should just be a manner of finding the right amount of time to add
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2018-04-01T01:10:33 < fest> why do you want to use USB for that?
2018-04-01T01:13:06 < zyp> fest, what alternatives would you suggest?
2018-04-01T01:13:50 < fest> CAN is too slow?
2018-04-01T01:16:06 < zyp> I'm considering adding a CAN-bus for low-latency event signalling between devices
2018-04-01T01:17:09 < zyp> e.g. in case the stepper and the homing sensor for an axis are connected to separate devices, there should be a low-latency way of signalling the stop
2018-04-01T01:17:55 < zyp> might also just do a shared event line, with the master software telling each device what events to output and how to respond to events
2018-04-01T01:18:16 < zyp> might still run that on CAN transceivers, since those are more robust than open-drain
2018-04-01T01:19:04 < zyp> but yes, I don't want to have to run the main comms over CAN
2018-04-01T01:19:37 < zyp> USB is both faster and easier to work with, CAN MTU is 8 bytes
2018-04-01T01:20:52 < zyp> have also considered ethernet, but that also adds more hardware complexity
2018-04-01T01:21:34 < zyp> and probably requires a PTP-capable switch to get as good timing as USB SOF pro[Dvides
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2018-04-01T01:22:46 < fest> I assume this means that USB host will be custom device?
2018-04-01T01:23:32 < fest> i.e. this wouldn't work by just plugging the slaves in PC because you probably can't control SOF counter for each device, right?
2018-04-01T01:24:42 < zyp> SOF is broadcast, all devices on the same bus will see the same token at the same time
2018-04-01T01:25:23 < zyp> but yes, I'm expecting to run the master on some embedded linux device
2018-04-01T01:26:42 < zyp> preferably one with multiple usb controllers, so that one bus can be dedicated to the motion stuff, to keep latencies predictable
2018-04-01T01:28:11 < fest> sounds like you are really set to try this idea out :)
2018-04-01T01:28:20 < zyp> but apart from latency, there's no reason the master software couldn't run on a normal pc
2018-04-01T01:28:31 < zyp> well, yeah, I started implementing it a year ago :p
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2018-04-01T01:30:06 < fest> on a semi-related note- any suggestions on how are absorber/load motors usually driven for small-scale dynamometers?
2018-04-01T01:31:26 < fest> I've been asked to characterize torque of random motors/speed controllers multiple times
2018-04-01T01:32:45 < fest> it seems that usually a known electric motor is used as load/brake/absorber
2018-04-01T01:33:20 < ReadErr> $ streamlink 'https://www.twitch.tv/revisionparty' best
2018-04-01T01:34:03 < fest> is that just the matter of getting a servo system with very little torque ripple, known torque/current relationship and good current/torque control mode?
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2018-04-01T01:47:04 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-04-01_00-46-56.png what the heck why aint it pourin
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2018-04-01T01:49:31 < zyp> tried repouring?
2018-04-01T01:49:44 < zyp> oh, wait
2018-04-01T01:49:59 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-04-01_00-48-41.png
2018-04-01T01:50:00 < zyp> you've forgotten the «pour over same net objects» setting
2018-04-01T01:50:18 < zyp> it's a parameter on the polygon object
2018-04-01T01:50:21 < rajkosto> yes
2018-04-01T01:50:28 < rajkosto> its so close to the "pour over same net polygons"
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2018-04-01T03:27:49 < ohsix> costco has stroopwaffel
2018-04-01T03:27:54 < ohsix> like 5 bux for 30
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2018-04-01T04:03:09 < stvn> the fucking dogs
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2018-04-01T04:32:02 < stvn> these costco motherfuckers are busting up the wafel industry
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2018-04-01T04:48:26 < dongs> rajkosto: a lot, what are you gonna do when you need to tie M1/M2 to gnd
2018-04-01T04:52:18 < dongs> also I hope you're not gonna be connecting any differential signals to that socket
2018-04-01T04:52:38 < dongs> because aligning them with staggered pin numbering like this is gonna be annoying as shit
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2018-04-01T07:55:06 < stvn> fuck that
2018-04-01T08:24:24 < stvn> is anyone alive
2018-04-01T08:24:31 < aandrew> no
2018-04-01T08:25:35 < stvn> are you really andrew
2018-04-01T08:30:20 < aandrew> we've been through this
2018-04-01T08:30:25 < stvn> sorry dad
2018-04-01T08:30:38 < stvn> who even asked you in the first place?
2018-04-01T08:30:58 < aandrew> you did
2018-04-01T08:31:03 < stvn> before
2018-04-01T08:31:12 < aandrew> pretty sure you did
2018-04-01T08:31:20 < stvn> ah that must have been a good afternoon right
2018-04-01T08:32:22 < stvn> have you any electronics news mr?
2018-04-01T08:46:32 < dongs> im about to start dicknplacing
2018-04-01T08:46:37 < dongs> on a sunday
2018-04-01T08:46:39 < dongs> rip
2018-04-01T09:01:30 < stvn> fuck
2018-04-01T09:01:39 < stvn> how long does it take you to set up that dog?
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2018-04-01T09:05:59 < dongs> its done
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2018-04-01T09:08:04 < stvn> no sweat
2018-04-01T09:08:25 < stvn> are you brewing up arcin shits?
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2018-04-01T10:49:40 < rajkosto> dongs, its easy https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-04-01_09-49-38.png
2018-04-01T10:51:16 < dongs> ugly
2018-04-01T10:51:29 < dongs> are you making emmc breakout for odroid or someshit?
2018-04-01T10:51:41 < dongs> you know they already sell pcbs like that
2018-04-01T10:51:48 < dongs> for cheaper than it would take you to fuck this together
2018-04-01T10:51:56 < rajkosto> https://files.sshnuke.net/emmc_board_v1.zofzproj
2018-04-01T10:52:04 < rajkosto> dongs, not the same pinout as mine
2018-04-01T10:52:07 < dongs> http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G145622510341
2018-04-01T10:52:08 < rajkosto> or i would have just used the odroid one
2018-04-01T10:52:10 < rajkosto> yes im not stupid
2018-04-01T10:52:16 < rajkosto> theirs has 17 pins per side
2018-04-01T10:52:43 < dongs> changing your socket is faster on the target
2018-04-01T10:52:44 < dongs> i would think
2018-04-01T10:53:53 < invzim> dongs: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/sot23-5.ldos.dongs  got a fav part/manu?  Need 1.2, 1.8, 2.5 and possibly 3.3
2018-04-01T10:54:07 < rajkosto> XC
2018-04-01T10:55:37 < rajkosto> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/torex-semiconductor-ltd/XC6222B121MR-G/893-1139-1-ND/2138330
2018-04-01T10:55:38 < dongs> invzim: RT9193 exists in all those voltages
2018-04-01T10:56:00 < dongs> and is in china/digijey
2018-04-01T10:56:34 < dongs> i donno if at that point its worth stocking adjustable version and add resistors
2018-04-01T10:56:40 < dongs> vs getting individual fixed voltage versions
2018-04-01T10:56:50 < dongs> also, does it all have to be linear shit?
2018-04-01T10:57:00 < dongs> you could get some decent combo dc/dc+ldo shits for 3-4 outputs
2018-04-01T10:57:05 < dongs> that might cover most of those voltages
2018-04-01T10:57:16 < dongs> like 1.2 + 1.8 by dc/dc and 2.5/3.3 by ldo
2018-04-01T10:57:34 < invzim> just want to update my current goto which is sot-223, and enable pin could be most useful
2018-04-01T10:57:35 < rajkosto> http://www.richtek.com/en/Products/Power%20Management%20IC/RT9991 for 3 dc-dc
2018-04-01T10:58:11 < rajkosto> AP3418KTR-G1
2018-04-01T10:58:11 < rajkosto>  for 1 dc-dc in SOT25
2018-04-01T10:58:27 < invzim> the all-in-one stuff tends to be more expensive/expire quicker
2018-04-01T10:58:32 < rajkosto> torex for small ldo
2018-04-01T10:59:02 < rajkosto> this is all for small vin, for larger vin (Like 12V) you would need dc2dc like APW7142
2018-04-01T10:59:13 < invzim> were torex merged with someone?
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2018-04-01T10:59:29 < rajkosto> which is soic-8
2018-04-01T10:59:46 < invzim> nah, 5/3.3 input fo rme
2018-04-01T10:59:50 < rajkosto> all the qfn dc2dc seem to have 5.6V vin limit
2018-04-01T11:00:51 < rajkosto> AP3418KTR-G1 even has board layout in its datasheet so if you just need one dc2dc its grate
2018-04-01T11:00:56 < invzim> I'll have a peek at the richtek stuffs, got a bad feeling about them as they're used by ubiquiti
2018-04-01T11:01:28 < rajkosto> arent they all the same pinout for the sot25 ldo ?
2018-04-01T11:02:37 < invzim> looks like it, but finding parts is a PITA so like to do it once and make a part I can put in bom's and not think about it again
2018-04-01T11:02:49 < rajkosto> whats wrong with the torex
2018-04-01T11:02:51 < rajkosto> they have lal the voltages
2018-04-01T11:04:29 < invzim> they're not on the dongs list :)
2018-04-01T11:04:42 < rajkosto> theyre on my list, work grate
2018-04-01T11:05:27 < invzim> I'll have a peek there too
2018-04-01T11:05:48 < dongs> there's also a standard dc/dc sot23-5 pinout
2018-04-01T11:07:11 < dongs> SY8088/8089 , NCP1521, LM3670, also same shit in richtek etc.
2018-04-01T11:12:34 < invzim> meh, XC6203 doesn't go below 1.8
2018-04-01T11:14:30 < rajkosto> ...
2018-04-01T11:14:34 < rajkosto> i linked the 1.2V one
2018-04-01T11:14:53 < rajkosto> theres separate category for < 1.7V and over
2018-04-01T11:16:09 < invzim> allright, a zillion tabs open - thanks :)
2018-04-01T11:32:03 < dongs> found the problem
2018-04-01T11:32:06 < dongs> you are using tabs
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2018-04-01T11:40:30 < rajkosto> dongs, smallest microsd caddy that isnt one of those insane that let most of it hang out ?
2018-04-01T11:44:21 < c10ud> newer raspis have a cool one
2018-04-01T11:45:08 < zyp> c10ud, isn't that one of those insane that let most of it hang out?
2018-04-01T11:45:47 < rajkosto> maybe the ones with the hinge would actually be smallest, as secure as push pull but wihtout the extra length
2018-04-01T11:45:48 < c10ud> i think a 20% is out or so, not sure "most of it" applies
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2018-04-01T11:46:07 < c10ud> also it does not "click" and feels safer
2018-04-01T11:46:29 < rajkosto> clicking is the good stuff tho
2018-04-01T11:47:32 < c10ud> is it? you can pull it out without noticing, but maybe thats just me extremely careless
2018-04-01T11:47:53 < rajkosto> huh ? push push click means you cant pull it out
2018-04-01T11:47:55 < rajkosto> until you push again
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2018-04-01T11:49:44 < c10ud> or you inadvertently touch it while e.g. moving the board around
2018-04-01T11:50:02 < c10ud> btw, im not an expert on the matter lol
2018-04-01T11:50:15 < c10ud> i just tought the new plug was cooler
2018-04-01T11:50:29 < rajkosto> whats it look like ? whats the part number
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2018-04-01T11:54:09 < c10ud> unfortunately i dont have a device right now, not sure there's a bom
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2018-04-01T12:36:22 < stvn> stone
2018-04-01T12:58:41 < dongs> rageberry3 is spring loaded in/out, with maybe like 10% sticking out
2018-04-01T13:03:21 < rajkosto> so its still push push ?
2018-04-01T13:03:47 < rajkosto> the ones that have pins on the outside seem to be too large
2018-04-01T13:03:56 < rajkosto> the ones that have pins on the inside dont have them easily accessible for iron touchup if needed
2018-04-01T13:05:03 < rajkosto> so hinge type best ?
2018-04-01T13:05:39 < dongs> you either do things properly
2018-04-01T13:05:41 < dongs> or you nigger shit up
2018-04-01T13:05:51 < dongs> you can't expect both
2018-04-01T13:06:02 < rajkosto> hinge type i can open up to touch up the pads
2018-04-01T13:06:18 < rajkosto> and is only slightly larger than microsd instead of having a few mm on the sides/back
2018-04-01T13:06:45 < rajkosto> im niggering shit up, always
2018-04-01T13:09:40 < stvn> that's not good
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2018-04-01T13:12:26 < tct> happy egg finding
2018-04-01T13:12:33 < stvn> n
2018-04-01T13:14:38 < jpa-> why is my amplifier oscillating
2018-04-01T13:14:51 < stvn> it is unstable
2018-04-01T13:14:56 < jpa-> thanks
2018-04-01T13:15:00 < stvn> \o/
2018-04-01T13:15:08 < tct> crt'd
2018-04-01T13:16:13 < stvn> too much feedback, difficult load etc etc
2018-04-01T13:16:21 < stvn> o,o
2018-04-01T13:16:26 < antto> it's possessed by deamons
2018-04-01T13:16:26 < jpa-> i have all of those
2018-04-01T13:16:33 < jpa-> including demons
2018-04-01T13:16:39 < stvn> sounds nasty
2018-04-01T13:16:51 < antto> stab it with a wooden stick
2018-04-01T13:16:52 < tct> "sounds" nasty.... I see what you did there
2018-04-01T13:17:15 < stvn> -,-
2018-04-01T13:17:18 < jpa-> it has both positive, negative and parasitic feedback
2018-04-01T13:17:43 < tct> jpa-, did you consider asking ##stm32 for help? I heard those guys are awezome
2018-04-01T13:18:09 < jpa-> tct: yeah but it being april fools day i think they'd just troll me with some crap talk about phase response or something
2018-04-01T13:18:57 < tct> jpa-, I think that the real april fools for ##stm32 would be to NOT troll for one day
2018-04-01T13:19:15 < stvn> april fools day is for eevblog
2018-04-01T13:19:27 < jpa-> tct: eh, like anyone would fall for that
2018-04-01T13:19:55 < Steffanx> Theepots.
2018-04-01T13:20:33 < stvn> wb steffan
2018-04-01T13:20:40 < dongs> https://flashbak.com/how-to-spot-a-jap-a-us-army-guide-1942-362303/
2018-04-01T13:20:45 < sync> jpa-: did you plot the root locus of your amplifier?
2018-04-01T13:21:27 < stvn> i wonder if it can be modeled as lti
2018-04-01T13:21:54 < jpa-> i've explicitly designed it to be non-linear
2018-04-01T13:22:00 < jpa-> i do hope that it is time invariant though
2018-04-01T13:23:11 < jpa-> (it's a class A preamp with class C second stage)
2018-04-01T13:23:45 < jpa-> with about 1000000x gain, and the output couples pretty heavily back to input
2018-04-01T13:23:49 < tct> jpa- ecg'ing?
2018-04-01T13:24:25 < jpa-> nah, fooling around with em field measurements
2018-04-01T13:24:45 < tct> oh, are you doing a new spin on your magic wand thingy?
2018-04-01T13:24:51 < tct> emf wand
2018-04-01T13:24:54 < tct> or what did you call it?
2018-04-01T13:24:57 < jpa-> yeah
2018-04-01T13:25:26 < jpa-> thought it might be nice to sell as a kit or something, but now that i made it small and cute and more sensitive, it no longer works
2018-04-01T13:25:44 < tct> I'd buy that
2018-04-01T13:26:17 < jpa-> i guess i'll just keep throwing random capacitors at it until it works
2018-04-01T13:26:40 < tct> I'm no longer sure whether I'd buy that
2018-04-01T13:27:11 < jpa-> don't worry, the kit will have 100 strips of random caps that you can sprinkle on top
2018-04-01T13:27:39  * stvn pulls out credit card
2018-04-01T13:27:42 < tct> :p
2018-04-01T13:34:32  * dongs pulls out dong
2018-04-01T13:35:16 < Steffanx> Pulls out?
2018-04-01T13:35:32 < tct> ofc Steffanx gets excited by that
2018-04-01T13:35:34 < Steffanx> Does that imply you wear pants?
2018-04-01T13:35:58 < dongs> wel,l i could be pulling it out of stvn's mouth
2018-04-01T13:36:05 < Steffanx> No, not really tct. Im surprised he had to pull it out.
2018-04-01T13:36:12 < Steffanx> Lol, true
2018-04-01T13:36:19 < tct> lol'd
2018-04-01T13:36:27 < stvn> lol
2018-04-01T13:39:03 < stvn> off to a good start this month...
2018-04-01T13:39:39 < tct> you don't need to be ashamed of yourself
2018-04-01T13:39:40 < BrainDamage> stvn: https://australia.googleblog.com/2018/04/just-call-us-googz.html
2018-04-01T13:39:49 < tct> oh no, now the party is complete
2018-04-01T13:40:15 < BrainDamage> well, i *did* wear pants when i got there, no?
2018-04-01T13:40:17 < zyp> sup?
2018-04-01T13:40:24 < BrainDamage> you cannot include me in your bunch
2018-04-01T13:40:29 < stvn> no kidding
2018-04-01T13:41:52 < tct> everybody pretend that we can't read zyp's posts
2018-04-01T13:41:56 < zyp> ok
2018-04-01T13:42:32 < stvn> hi zyp
2018-04-01T13:42:54 < zyp> hi stvn
2018-04-01T13:43:36 < tct> you're doing it wrong, stvn
2018-04-01T13:43:47 < stvn> n
2018-04-01T13:43:55 < antto> instructions unclear
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2018-04-01T13:44:57 < Steffanx> Pretending is not something stvn does.
2018-04-01T13:45:03 < Steffanx> Its all real.
2018-04-01T13:45:12 < BrainDamage> jpa-: is your magic wang e-field based or b-field based?
2018-04-01T13:45:54 < tct> BrainDamage, still didn't get a keyboard. I found a couple of nice ones on amazon but they don't deliver to swissland
2018-04-01T13:47:12 < stvn> how hard is it to get a keyboard?!?!!
2018-04-01T13:47:26 < BrainDamage> bluetooth keyboard
2018-04-01T13:47:30 < stvn> oh
2018-04-01T13:48:00 < Steffanx> You shouldve been there to see this sexy keyboard, stvn
2018-04-01T13:48:06 < stvn> of course
2018-04-01T13:48:29 < tct> then you would have also been there during the backstabbing session
2018-04-01T13:48:40 < stvn> of course
2018-04-01T13:49:05 < tct> -> never EVER introduce your irc friends to your rl friends
2018-04-01T13:49:08 < rajkosto> so whats the most common hinge type microsd holder
2018-04-01T13:49:13 < Steffanx> Fuck off tct. You said just as much. Talking about backstabbing.
2018-04-01T13:49:26 < stvn> everyone in love
2018-04-01T13:49:37 < stvn> i don't have irl friends :D
2018-04-01T13:50:25 < antto> real life is an illusion
2018-04-01T13:50:38 < BrainDamage> tct is just sore becase we owned them at billiard
2018-04-01T13:50:48 < stvn> hmm
2018-04-01T13:51:26 < tct> Steffanx, such hostility
2018-04-01T13:51:33 < tct> BrainDamage :p
2018-04-01T13:51:55 < Steffanx> Yes, i hate backstabbers tct.
2018-04-01T13:52:06 < stvn> can we talk about microcontrollers
2018-04-01T13:52:52 < tct> I'm starting to get a feeling that Steffanx is genuinely mad
2018-04-01T13:52:59 < tct> wut happened, brah?
2018-04-01T13:53:23 < dongs> what about dongstabbers
2018-04-01T13:53:32 < dongs> stabbin' their dongs in places
2018-04-01T13:53:38 < antto> stvn my impression from a few days is that the answer is "nope"
2018-04-01T13:53:53 < antto> are there any other arm-related channels?
2018-04-01T13:54:10 < dongs> antto: oh youre the weird midi modem dude
2018-04-01T13:54:41 < antto> dongs oh you're the guy who flags people with labels and mistypes the names of things you don't like
2018-04-01T13:54:48 < dongs> YES!
2018-04-01T13:54:59 < antto> so you're almost like me, but not quite
2018-04-01T13:55:10 < tct> that's a pretty awesome & very accurate description. good work, Mr. antto
2018-04-01T13:55:15 < tct> LOL
2018-04-01T13:55:18 < dongs> let's finalize thats with a couple more questions
2018-04-01T13:55:19 < antto> i don't flag people so early
2018-04-01T13:55:23 < dongs> do you: suck dicks
2018-04-01T13:55:24 < dongs> y/n
2018-04-01T13:55:43 < antto> why is that important to you?
2018-04-01T13:55:47 < Steffanx> Y
2018-04-01T13:56:08 < tct> it helps him jerking off at night, antto
2018-04-01T13:56:13 < dongs> http://www.retrocollect.com/News/new-atari-jaguar-controller-in-development.html haha
2018-04-01T13:56:14 < antto> oh
2018-04-01T13:56:18 < tct> while sending anonymous crash report data to alitum HQ
2018-04-01T13:56:22 < antto> so then, what is the right answer? ;P~
2018-04-01T13:57:05 < antto> (obviously he doesn't care to know the truth)
2018-04-01T13:57:24 < dongs> you coudln't be any more correct
2018-04-01T13:57:32 < stvn> the problem with the 'jag' isn't just the controller
2018-04-01T13:57:34 < antto> i know, i'm always right
2018-04-01T13:57:43 < Steffanx> On irc all you can do is suck dick. As there are no girls on irc.
2018-04-01T13:58:13 < Steffanx> And girls with dicks do not count as female  ( ##stm32 opinions )
2018-04-01T13:58:21 < tct> Steffanx, from what I remember from two weeks ago you didn't only suck dicks in irc
2018-04-01T13:58:26  * tct looks to BrainDamage 
2018-04-01T13:59:03 < zyp> antto, bullshit, I talked about microcontrollers here last night
2018-04-01T13:59:53 < Steffanx> You can talk about microcontrollers as long as the question is semi-interesting and not: "I run lunix on my mcu heelp" :P
2018-04-01T14:00:17 < stvn> hmmm
2018-04-01T14:00:26 < tct> you can also go and just ignore whatever people are telling you: https://community.ugfx.io/topic/966-stm32ltdc/?tab=comments#comment-6962
2018-04-01T14:01:02 < Steffanx> I should make an irc profile similar to those you see on twitter: Everything posted here is not my own opinion ( but the ##stm32 opinion )
2018-04-01T14:01:08 < zyp> my question was if people know about any other mcus with programmable timers (other than TI Hercules' N2HET and NXP LPC's SGPIO/SCT), and that still stands
2018-04-01T14:01:21 < zyp> psoc and fpga-based solutions have been suggested, still open for other options
2018-04-01T14:02:02 < antto> zyp you and a few others, but 90% of the talking for the past few days was about random things
2018-04-01T14:02:06 < Steffanx> "I hope the good people can help me. "  => better join ##stm32
2018-04-01T14:02:12 < tct> zyp, worked with psoc once, was very nice experneice
2018-04-01T14:02:14 < tct> experience*
2018-04-01T14:02:16 < zyp> antto, sorry about that, I've been on vacation
2018-04-01T14:02:36 < antto> you shouldn't be sorry about this
2018-04-01T14:02:45 < zyp> tct, how does configuring the flexible fabric work?
2018-04-01T14:02:47 < tct> antto, the reason why we talk about random shit is because we are so good & efficient at answering microcontroller questions that there's a lot of time left to talk about other stuff
2018-04-01T14:02:56 < antto> it's the good old "20% of the people are doing 80% of the talking"
2018-04-01T14:03:04 < zyp> my impression is that you dick around in a gui and get some blob you put on the chip
2018-04-01T14:03:16 < Steffanx> Don't you like the cat pics antto? Your website has them too, so you must enjoy them.
2018-04-01T14:03:47 < antto> Steffanx yeah but that is not very "on-topic" here
2018-04-01T14:03:52 < tct> zyp, that impression is 100% accurate.
2018-04-01T14:04:03 < antto> there got to be a better arm channel
2018-04-01T14:04:08 < Steffanx> no.
2018-04-01T14:04:09 < tct> zyp, I didn't do much with it, just used in in a customer project. But as I said the experience was good. But I didn't dive much. But I didn't hit any sore spots either
2018-04-01T14:04:12  * antto runs hope.exe
2018-04-01T14:04:18 < zyp> tct, that doesn't sound like a very enjoyable experience
2018-04-01T14:04:41 < Steffanx> There is ##embedded antto. But the offtopicness has been replaced with silence.
2018-04-01T14:04:42 < tct> zyp, it was a project with a tight timeline. I was thankful that I didn't have to start dicking around in guts too much
2018-04-01T14:04:44 < Steffanx> THAT is just as bad
2018-04-01T14:04:52 < tct> Steffanx tried to do that here too
2018-04-01T14:05:09 < Steffanx> Lies..
2018-04-01T14:05:16 < Steffanx> That was just the crap. Not the offtopic talk
2018-04-01T14:05:27 < zyp> tct, but I don't want magic that's just supposed to work, I want shit I can understand
2018-04-01T14:05:59 < tct> zyp, well, in that case I can't help. Please keep in mind that I didn't say that the GUI blob stuff is the only way. Maybe they offer other interfaces and proper documentation and so on. I didn't look for it.
2018-04-01T14:07:16 < tct> Steffanx, I specifically remember how you decided not to ruin irc but to come and ruin people's real lifes instead
2018-04-01T14:07:32 < Steffanx> Only because i was invited into his room.
2018-04-01T14:08:10 < Steffanx> Isn't the psoc stuff just some RTL-ish tool? It's still pretty low level right?
2018-04-01T14:09:00 < tct> https://wiki.ugfx.io/images/1/1a/Psoc_systick.png
2018-04-01T14:09:24 < zyp> has anybody tried measuring cpu load from ISRs?
2018-04-01T14:09:35 < zyp> IIRC DWT has some counters that can do that
2018-04-01T14:09:44 < tct> I think jpa did that once like years ago
2018-04-01T14:09:46 < dongs> zyp, per ISR?
2018-04-01T14:09:51 < antto> Steffanx "embedded" sounds like it can fit a pile of different mcus, i was hoping something arm-specific
2018-04-01T14:10:01 < Steffanx> Isnt it easier to use SWO and some external tooling for that?
2018-04-01T14:10:04 < dongs> i thought normal people just put idle counter into idle task and got overall cpu usage that waty
2018-04-01T14:10:11 < Steffanx> never really really tried it though.
2018-04-01T14:10:43 < tct> Steffanx, that's a bitch when you want to have your CPU load during runtime / production mode
2018-04-01T14:10:44 < BrainDamage> antto: if you want a professional atmosphere, the various forums like st's etc are rather topical
2018-04-01T14:11:03 < stvn> ^
2018-04-01T14:11:19 < Steffanx> Sure, but he idndt ask for that tct.
2018-04-01T14:11:20 < antto> i got too many questions, i find irc better, but yeah, at worst imma go there
2018-04-01T14:11:28 < tct> yeah. let us just all face the reality and accept that Steffanx destroyed irc
2018-04-01T14:11:32 < Steffanx> yes.
2018-04-01T14:11:42 < tct> antto, you could also just start asking your questions
2018-04-01T14:11:58 < BrainDamage> you can just ask your questions here as well btw, just because most of the chat is nonsense it doesn't mean we won't answer the serious questions
2018-04-01T14:12:11 < Steffanx> antto, you know "ARM" is a bit unspecific as well right? With all the different families around..
2018-04-01T14:12:17 < Steffanx> and then different manufacturers.
2018-04-01T14:12:25 < zyp> dongs, how do you count time accurately in idle task?
2018-04-01T14:12:26 < antto> i did.. but there was just like one to three guys answering, and i kinda felt like i asked too many questions already
2018-04-01T14:12:42 < tct> antto, don't forget that sometimes people just don't know the answer
2018-04-01T14:12:46 < antto> and the questions got burried in picture urls
2018-04-01T14:12:57 < tct> oh, so you met laurenceb
2018-04-01T14:13:12 < antto> it was not him posting the pictures
2018-04-01T14:13:28 < antto> it was d**gs
2018-04-01T14:13:41  * antto hides behind an umbrella
2018-04-01T14:13:51 < antto> my picture shield
2018-04-01T14:13:55 < tct> seems like we got another Rob235 situation here
2018-04-01T14:14:08 < tct> do you feel hurt?
2018-04-01T14:14:17 < Steffanx> stop the bullying tct
2018-04-01T14:14:38 < dongs> zyp, on context switch to/from idle task, make a note of wahtever timer you have running for timestamps.
2018-04-01T14:14:49 < tct> ok
2018-04-01T14:15:03 < zyp> dongs, now you're talking about measuring consumption per rtos task, which is easy
2018-04-01T14:15:09 < zyp> and also not what I want to do
2018-04-01T14:15:21 < dongs> no
2018-04-01T14:15:26 < zyp> what I want to do is measure consumption by ISRs
2018-04-01T14:15:26 < dongs> you only measure in idle task
2018-04-01T14:15:30 < dongs> well yeah
2018-04-01T14:16:03 < tct> oh, so I misunderstood then. how would DWG help there?
2018-04-01T14:16:11 < antto> tct me? hurt? by pictures?
2018-04-01T14:16:44 < zyp> consider this: idle task starts, get interrupted, ISR consumes some time, returns to idle task, idle task runs a bit more before timeslice ends, and entire period gets counted as consumed by idle task
2018-04-01T14:17:03 < dongs> may be you should use keil and rtx
2018-04-01T14:17:08 < dongs> you can do instrumentation there
2018-04-01T14:17:10 < dongs> :)
2018-04-01T14:17:16 < dongs> of this kidna stuff.
2018-04-01T14:17:24 < dongs> profiling/time spent in shit etc.
2018-04-01T14:17:32 < zyp> IIRC DWT has some additional counters in addition to the plain CYCCNT, which counts a subset of cycles
2018-04-01T14:17:40 < zyp> e.g. cycles spent on ISR handling
2018-04-01T14:17:46 < tct> interesting
2018-04-01T14:17:56 < tct> I'd assume there would be an AN about that then?
2018-04-01T14:17:58 < zyp> I assume the profiling tools you're talking about uses this
2018-04-01T14:18:14 < zyp> I'm just asking if anybody actually has any experience with it
2018-04-01T14:20:33 < jpa-> zyp, tct: i monitor total cpu usage by having the idle thread count how much time is spent in it
2018-04-01T14:21:01 < jpa-> then for more details i usually just get the gprof profile with openocd
2018-04-01T14:21:54 < tct> I see
2018-04-01T14:21:58 < tct> sorry for being useless then, zyp
2018-04-01T14:22:46 < jpa-> and specifically, to detect when idle thread is interrupted, it runs something like:   systime_t prev = get_systime(); while(1) { systime_t now = get_systime(); systime_t delta = now - prev; prev = now;  if (delta > 30cycles) {count_as_cpu_used} else {count_as_idle}}
2018-04-01T14:23:56 < stvn> hmm
2018-04-01T14:24:43 < dongs> thats something similiar that i've been copypasting in my code as well
2018-04-01T14:24:54 < tct> that delta > 30 seems dodgy to me - is that common use?
2018-04-01T14:26:18 < jpa-> well you can be sure that interrupt cannot return below 24 clock cycles on cortex-m3
2018-04-01T14:27:05 < jpa-> but my get_systime() and other crap running in idle thread is slow enough that actually that threshold is quite a bit higher
2018-04-01T14:27:17 < zyp> I'm also not sure I'll even have an idle task,
2018-04-01T14:27:40 < zyp> just main thread and interrupts
2018-04-01T14:28:47 < zyp> and if I'm gonna be calling interrupts at 100kHz or some shit, they'll make up a significant part of the cpu consumption, which means I need to meter it to make sure I keep it sane
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2018-04-01T14:29:52 < jpa-> which stm32 is this on?
2018-04-01T14:30:19 < zyp> the steval-3dp board has one of those new lowend f4s
2018-04-01T14:30:24 < zyp> f401 or f411 or something
2018-04-01T14:33:04 < zyp> I wish st would come with some general purpose multicore stm32s soon, it'd be a lot more efficient to run high rate loops like that on a dedicated cpu rather than incurring interrupt overhead for each iteration
2018-04-01T14:33:05 < jpa-> dwt does have DWT_EXCCNT but it is only 8 bit so seems quite useless
2018-04-01T14:33:26 < zyp> that might be what I were thinking of
2018-04-01T14:33:43 < tct> antto, see, this is typical ##stm32.
2018-04-01T14:34:00 < antto> i hope so
2018-04-01T14:34:10  * antto runs more instances of hope.exe
2018-04-01T14:34:26 < jpa-> zyp: you could of course just do that manually by just having some code at interrupt entry and exit
2018-04-01T14:34:44 < zyp> true
2018-04-01T14:35:08 < jpa-> ah, DWT_EXCCNT only counts interrupt entry and exit stacking time, not the actual time spent in interrupt
2018-04-01T14:35:39 < jpa-> DWT also has those window comparators for addresses but i don't think it has a cycle counter associacted with those
2018-04-01T14:35:40 < zyp> there's also the old school gpio-toggling at entry/exit
2018-04-01T14:36:08 < zyp> or SWO events, but I don't think SWO would keep up with an interrupt rate of 100kHz
2018-04-01T14:37:53 < jpa-> DWT exception trace over SWO is 3 bytes per entry/exit, so that would give 6Mbaud at minimum
2018-04-01T14:38:12 < jpa-> and if it is running close to maximum speed you won't get much timing accuracy out of it
2018-04-01T14:38:22 < jpa-> (as the packets would get buffered)
2018-04-01T14:49:29 < tct> antto, better make sure that they don't use deduplication
2018-04-01T14:50:27 < Steffanx> Do you use WINE for it, antto?
2018-04-01T14:51:38 < tct> there goes the lunix talk
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2018-04-01T14:51:49 < antto> heh
2018-04-01T14:52:03 < dongs> did someone say lunix
2018-04-01T14:53:27 < antto> i've been reading about data, bss, heap, stack to try to answer some of my questions
2018-04-01T14:53:46 < dongs> antto: have you considered how much your time is worth
2018-04-01T14:54:11 < antto> i find your questions kinda odd
2018-04-01T14:54:34 < dongs> antto: im leading to the next question
2018-04-01T14:54:47 < Steffanx> KEIL.
2018-04-01T14:54:49 < dongs> hte point is, you've spent several(?) days in here discussing opensores shit
2018-04-01T14:54:54 < antto> is it about sucking d*ck?
2018-04-01T14:54:56 < dongs> when you could have just been writing code
2018-04-01T14:54:58 < antto> or something similar?
2018-04-01T14:55:01 < dongs> in a proper IDE
2018-04-01T14:55:09 < dongs> without worrying about bss, data, heap, stack, etc.
2018-04-01T14:55:12 < tct> is IAR still a thing?
2018-04-01T14:55:20 < dongs> when was that last updated?
2018-04-01T14:55:38 < Steffanx> antto, you did read the manual about dongs that was sent to you the first time you join ##stm32 right?
2018-04-01T14:55:41 < tct> don't know. when was steffanx not a backstabber the last time?
2018-04-01T14:55:46 < antto> dongs i'm reading about those because i have a problem in some of my other projects (which are not based on arm)
2018-04-01T14:55:51 < tct> Steffanx, there's a manuaL/
2018-04-01T14:55:52 < tct> ?
2018-04-01T14:55:57 < Steffanx> obviously.
2018-04-01T14:56:01 < tct> pls link
2018-04-01T14:56:06 < dongs> antto: in that case you just literally asnwered your own question
2018-04-01T14:56:10 < dongs> the problme is because they're not based on arm
2018-04-01T14:56:27 < antto> that is not fixable
2018-04-01T14:56:40 < antto> ..by switching to arm
2018-04-01T14:57:03 < antto> Steffanx i guess i missed it
2018-04-01T14:57:10 < dongs> no thats exactly hwo you fix it
2018-04-01T14:57:12 < dongs> how
2018-04-01T14:57:18 < antto> i saw the topic when i joined
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2018-04-01T14:57:58 < antto> dongs no, i cannot magically replace the processors in hundreds of existing devices all over the globe
2018-04-01T14:58:05 < antto> pls, be real
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2018-04-01T15:01:17 < antto> i don't learn fast, so it takes me time
2018-04-01T15:01:52 < antto> don't want to learn yet another IDE, i get confused and mix things up easily that way
2018-04-01T15:02:29 < antto> when something doesn't quite work - it'll be harder to know whether it's the code, the chip, the circuit, the compiler, or the IDE
2018-04-01T15:03:09 < antto> so i'm trying to reduce the number of new things
2018-04-01T15:03:29 < tct> so you look at ARM to understand what's going wrong on a completely different architecture? o.O
2018-04-01T15:03:37 < antto> no
2018-04-01T15:04:28 < antto> my last efforts with getting a simple cpp program to compile for an stm32 ended up to linker errors/warnings
2018-04-01T15:05:01 < antto> i was looking at linker scripts and other related things, and it was quite confusing what it's all about
2018-04-01T15:05:20 < BrainDamage> unless you start asking specific questions we can't do much
2018-04-01T15:05:25 < tct> that ^
2018-04-01T15:05:50 < antto> now i'm looking at one of my own projects where i'm trying to solve another problem, which kinda related to these bss/data/stack things
2018-04-01T15:05:52 < BrainDamage> as long as you remain vague on a generic thing to do all that can be done is some generic chitchat that goes nowhere
2018-04-01T15:06:16 < antto> i don't ask here because it's not arm-related
2018-04-01T15:06:42 < tct> many things discussed here aren't, that shouldn't keep you back
2018-04-01T15:06:49 < tct> eg. see the OpAmp talk from jpa- earlier
2018-04-01T15:06:50 < antto> but now some of the things i saw in the linker scripts of the stm32 begin to start making some sense
2018-04-01T15:08:22 < antto> on friday, PaulFertser gave me a hind about a linker argument to tell the linker how much RAM my avr has, because the default linker script is optimistic on avr chips which have extended memory capability
2018-04-01T15:08:47 < antto> and i get absolutely no error even if i declare say a 10K buffer on a chip that has 4K ram
2018-04-01T15:09:15 < PaulFertser> antto: static buffer?
2018-04-01T15:09:25 < antto> global scope buffer
2018-04-01T15:09:29 < antto> so, i guess "yes"
2018-04-01T15:09:39 < antto> * hint
2018-04-01T15:10:01 < PaulFertser> antto: hm, certainly works for me to get an error in that case. Probably the argument is not getting applied in the linking stage somehow?
2018-04-01T15:10:20 < antto> so i've been looking into this, which involves figuring out which linker script gcc uses for my part, and similar details, which may help later with stm32
2018-04-01T15:10:58 < antto> PaulFertser nah, that bit worked, i just didn't know how that goes into the bigger picture
2018-04-01T15:11:05 < antto> i got a more severe problem tho
2018-04-01T15:11:32 < antto> my bss section ends at about 8098
2018-04-01T15:11:56 < antto> so as far as i understand now, i am left with 94 bytes for the stack
2018-04-01T15:12:33 < antto> and i'm looking into how to detect stack problems and how to reduce the RAM usage
2018-04-01T15:12:49 < antto> but this is on an atmega, so i'll stfu ;P~
2018-04-01T15:16:11 < antto> so "setting the stack pointer" begins to make sense now
2018-04-01T15:20:10 < antto> sadly there doesn't appear to be an easy way to find out how much the stack will grow
2018-04-01T15:22:13 < tct> except for calculation you usually just set it high enough during development and then turn it down until shit hits then fan. Then give it another 20% or so depending on your entire application/setup/platform/resources
2018-04-01T15:22:55 < antto> but there doesn't appear to be a simple way to detect a problem either
2018-04-01T15:23:10 < tct> hence the expression "until shit hits the fan"
2018-04-01T15:23:27 < antto> one of my other projects had such a problem and the thing works fine for a long-ish amount of time before anything weird happens
2018-04-01T15:23:54 < tct> and hence the "another 20% or so depending on your application"
2018-04-01T15:24:07 < tct> it's a lot of experience imho
2018-04-01T15:24:19 < antto> i guess this hugely depends on what variables are at the very end of the bss sections (which will get messed up first when the stack collides with them)
2018-04-01T15:24:39 < tct> yes, but the goal is that nothing gets messed up at all :p
2018-04-01T15:25:27 < antto> but which variables are there i think depends on the compiler
2018-04-01T15:25:37 < tct> there are certain mechanisms that can help. For example, you can fill your entire memory with a known pattern (0xAA 0x55 is a common one). Then just run your application and at some point you examine the memory and count how many bytes haven't been touched. Some underlying systems even provide that as a built-in feature (such as chibios)
2018-04-01T15:25:38 < antto> it fengshui
2018-04-01T15:26:14 < tct> yes, but which variables are there should not bother you at all. your stack needs to be sized in a way that shit never hits the fan. you don't care whether the first variable to go is a loop iteration counter or a base memory pointer
2018-04-01T15:26:25 < antto> this is on avr, no OS
2018-04-01T15:26:40 < tct> yes, but you can stilly apply that technique
2018-04-01T15:27:04 < antto> no, i meant that depending on which variables are at the end, you can get a different kind of response when the stack corrupts them
2018-04-01T15:27:24 < antto> sometimes it silently continues to work, sometimes it can cause an obvious disaster
2018-04-01T15:27:29 < tct> yes, and that's irrelevant
2018-04-01T15:27:40 < tct> yes, which is why you examine the memory based on the empty-memory-filling-pattern method
2018-04-01T15:27:58 < antto> yeah, that's what i'm looking into now
2018-04-01T15:28:02 < tct> PaulFertser might be able to tell you how to fill memory with a known pattern on an AVR
2018-04-01T15:28:08 < antto> https://www.avrfreaks.net/forum/soft-c-avrgcc-monitoring-stack-usage?page=all
2018-04-01T15:28:26 < tct> there you go
2018-04-01T15:28:45 < tct> I hope ##stm32 has been helpful and a pleasurable experience to you :)_
2018-04-01T15:29:23 < antto> sure, minus certain d*cksucking questions, it was just fine
2018-04-01T15:30:02 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-04-01_14-29-51.png typo in molex drawing pdf :O
2018-04-01T15:30:33 < antto> typos in formulas in datasheets is worse ;P~
2018-04-01T15:30:33 < tct> incoming OCD detected
2018-04-01T15:30:44 < jpa-> err.. this thing has 120dB of gain, and a -80dB parasitic feedback path from output to input.. no wonder it oscillates
2018-04-01T15:32:28 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-04-01_14-32-26.png same pdf
2018-04-01T15:32:31 < rajkosto> it was not this dude's day
2018-04-01T15:33:34 < antto> i wonder if he mistypes the actual numbers too then
2018-04-01T15:33:47 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-04-01_14-33-46.png
2018-04-01T15:34:14 < antto> this sounds so much doge
2018-04-01T15:34:35 < antto> almost spooderman
2018-04-01T15:37:43 < tct> no microsd card sockets were harmed during creation of this datasheet
2018-04-01T15:46:30 < rajkosto> altium just crashed as i finished making the footprint
2018-04-01T15:47:24 < rajkosto> and its no longer there, luckily it was in the .$$$ file for some reason
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2018-04-01T17:08:30 < invzim> 1uf for ldo, safe to go with 0603 or does 0805 make more sense?
2018-04-01T17:08:55 < jpa-> you'll get more capacitance out of 0805
2018-04-01T17:09:04 < jpa-> but either will work
2018-04-01T17:09:54 < invzim> I'm hoping for approximately 1uf capacitance, +/- 10% :)
2018-04-01T17:10:48 < invzim> seems to be quite a few intricacies when it comes to ceramics
2018-04-01T17:12:01 < invzim> mm, my standard for 2.2uf is 0805, maybe play it safe
2018-04-01T17:16:20 < Lux> just make sure the rated voltage is high enough, then it shouldn't derate
2018-04-01T17:16:37 < Lux> or at least not much
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2018-04-01T17:34:46 < chris_99> hi, i'm just wondering if there's an idiots guide to wiring up the 6 SWD  pins in a schematic, i found MB1136.pdf which is a schematic for one of the nucleo boards , but i'm finding it slightly confusing
2018-04-01T17:39:44 < chris_99> (one of the reasons i'm confused because i thought pin1 was supposed to be wired to Vdd, but that doesn't seem to be the case in this schematic)
2018-04-01T17:40:50 < Lux> you don't need vdd for swd
2018-04-01T17:41:24 < Lux> iirc in more advanced programmers it's just used to adapt the voltage levels
2018-04-01T17:41:45 < Lux> on the stlink boards it's allways 3.3V logic
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2018-04-01T17:46:23 < chris_99> https://i.stack.imgur.com/pH6ym.png is similar to what i was looking at
2018-04-01T17:46:45 < chris_99> but i don't really understand ain_1 connection on pin1
2018-04-01T17:55:27 < jpa-> that's for the stlink i think
2018-04-01T17:56:00 < aandrew> chris_99: I stick to the standard 2x5 pinning for ARM
2018-04-01T17:56:24 < aandrew> that way 99% of jtag devices will plug in without any fucking around
2018-04-01T17:57:19 < jpa-> i use 6 pins and put signals on them in random non-standard order    http://essentialscrap.com/eink/schematics.png
2018-04-01T17:58:35 < aandrew> chris_99: https://imgur.com/a/Iz2y6
2018-04-01T17:58:50 < chris_99> just guys, just looking at the both of those
2018-04-01T17:58:53 < chris_99> *cheers
2018-04-01T17:59:21 < aandrew> J8 is an IDC box header, digikey PN 1175-1629-ND (through hole varieties exist, as do shroudless, but any 2x5 0.050" or 0.100" header will work
2018-04-01T17:59:40 < aandrew> jpa-: that pic doesn't come up on my screen
2018-04-01T17:59:45 < aandrew> I mean it's there, but it's like dark gray on black
2018-04-01T18:00:14 < aandrew> chris_99: a j-link on digikey can be had for as little as $50 and saves you so much hassle and headache
2018-04-01T18:00:33 < chris_99> jpa-: you're not using any resistors right on the 6 pins?
2018-04-01T18:00:40 < aandrew> or you can repurpose any st-link on any devkit and use that
2018-04-01T18:00:43 < chris_99> aandrew: i've got a clone of that, not sure if that's any good
2018-04-01T18:00:47 < chris_99> or not yet
2018-04-01T18:01:44 < aandrew> jpa-: ah, it looks like that picture uses white as the alpha
2018-04-01T18:03:28 < aandrew> it's either pin 6 or 8 that gets connected to SWO if your MCU has it
2018-04-01T18:03:48 < aandrew> <3 standard connectors
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2018-04-01T18:22:18 < englishman> antto: since stm32cube and HAL are now so mature and of high quality, nobody has any stm32 questions anymore. The exception is people using unprofessional cut-rate open source operating systems, that have constant problems with their choice of development environment but blame it on stm32. So this channel still exists for that reason.
2018-04-01T18:22:54 < antto> hm?
2018-04-01T18:23:04 < antto> stm32 is mature?
2018-04-01T18:23:09 < antto> * cubeMX
2018-04-01T18:23:25 < englishman> yes an excellent code generator and pin planner
2018-04-01T18:23:56 < antto> sure, except it eats a ton of RAM and generates only C code
2018-04-01T18:24:04 < englishman> nearly 8 years of development if you count the preceding stm32discovery pin planner apps
2018-04-01T18:24:09 < antto> and the makefiles it generates don't compile
2018-04-01T18:24:14 < englishman> I don't see the problem
2018-04-01T18:24:32 < englishman> what is a "makefile"
2018-04-01T18:24:58 < antto> something i don't like to fiddle with ;]
2018-04-01T18:24:59 < kakimir> can one solder BGA chip @ home by just using solderpaste or soldering the pads with generous apply of flux and then reflow it?
2018-04-01T18:25:14 < BrainDamage> antto: open sores hate is a channel meme
2018-04-01T18:25:44 < englishman> sounds like something to do with an open source development environment and not stm32
2018-04-01T18:26:07 < antto> stm32 is not opensource-friendly?
2018-04-01T18:26:58 < kakimir> from cortex chips it's the most opensores friendly
2018-04-01T18:27:10 < kakimir> there is projects for open HAL and stuff ain't there?
2018-04-01T18:27:57 < BrainDamage> there's plenty of choice
2018-04-01T18:28:59 < antto> too many options
2018-04-01T18:29:42 < antto> i'll keep cubeMX because it works fine as a parametric chip selector
2018-04-01T18:29:54 < kakimir> I just love to use LPC1111FHN33
2018-04-01T18:30:11 < kakimir> almost as simple as 8bit micros but with debugging and performance
2018-04-01T18:33:04 < kakimir> and everything just works
2018-04-01T18:34:18 < kakimir> no need to learn all the bloaty options
2018-04-01T18:35:04 < kakimir> no HAL -> no need for it
2018-04-01T18:35:49 < Rickta59> why is it that lpc chips don't get much love?
2018-04-01T18:36:19 < antto> in my case i need a pile of RAM and flash
2018-04-01T18:36:33 < antto> oh, and USARTs
2018-04-01T18:36:49 < antto> so the cheapest of the stm32 i found was F446
2018-04-01T18:36:51 < Rickta59> what is a pile?
2018-04-01T18:37:04 < antto> a _/\_ pile
2018-04-01T18:37:15 < Rickta59> 32k? 1M?
2018-04-01T18:37:30 < antto> 64K or more
2018-04-01T18:37:34 < antto> ram
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2018-04-01T18:38:12 < Rickta59> i thought that new L4xx chips had lots of memory
2018-04-01T18:38:16 < Rickta59> and were cheaper
2018-04-01T18:38:30 < antto> *shrug*
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2018-04-01T18:38:40 < antto> i used the cubeMX to select this chip
2018-04-01T18:38:42 < englishman> zyp: according to this, atmelchip, NXP, and cypress are really the only ones outside of FPGA https://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1327099
2018-04-01T18:42:16 < kakimir> cheap fpga+cortex combinations are the future
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2018-04-01T18:57:21 < kakimir> sorry Steffanx didn't watch music recommds yesterday I was interrupted
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2018-04-01T19:04:03 < kakimir> by little terrorist attack I call "cousins"
2018-04-01T19:04:31 < kakimir> this time I just sit still and after one hour they left
2018-04-01T19:07:00 < stvn> Jihad
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2018-04-01T19:15:05 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-01T19:15:08 < kakimir> they are jihad
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2018-04-01T19:55:39 < catphish> random design progress pdf: https://nutty.tk/inverter5.pdf
2018-04-01T20:00:30 < rajkosto> http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G152105300286 so GL3224 needs both SPI rom and xtal
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2018-04-01T20:09:36 < Steffanx> It was such relevant song at the time, kakimir
2018-04-01T20:09:49 < kakimir> repaste
2018-04-01T20:10:13 < Steffanx> Its no longer relevant
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2018-04-01T20:11:54 < kakimir> whatever
2018-04-01T20:12:39 < kakimir> https://youtu.be/yergWdn968o?t=7m50s musics
2018-04-01T20:13:07 < kakimir> there is no chinaready solution to charge and balance lipo from solar
2018-04-01T20:13:19 < kakimir> and then have cutoff for loading the lipo
2018-04-01T20:13:35 < kakimir> and I don't mean single cell lipo
2018-04-01T20:14:58 < kakimir> actually song at 4:12 is the best one.. it's always the 2nd song on the record
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2018-04-01T20:15:42 < kakimir> me go>
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2018-04-01T20:37:04 < englishman> rajkosto: ha, i googled that -> The GL3224 is a crystal-less USB 3.1 Gen 1 Dual/Single LUN card reader controller
2018-04-01T20:37:17 < rajkosto> it says the crystal is optional
2018-04-01T20:37:32 < rajkosto> really would like a sample schematic to know how to make my own one of those
2018-04-01T20:37:38 < rajkosto> since you can use all 8 bits of eMMC that way
2018-04-01T20:37:59 < englishman> hit them up, they are quick to reply
2018-04-01T20:38:02 < englishman> unlike most .tw companies
2018-04-01T20:38:37 < englishman> and their datasheets and sample apps are pretty comprehensive
2018-04-01T20:38:48 < rajkosto> i can find datasheet for it, it doesnt list what values of components to use
2018-04-01T20:38:59 < rajkosto> or what even needs to be connected
2018-04-01T20:39:20 < englishman> right
2018-04-01T20:39:22 < englishman> so hit them up
2018-04-01T20:39:26 < englishman> for sample application
2018-04-01T20:39:49 < rajkosto> i did once in the past for their usb3.0 hub
2018-04-01T20:39:52 < rajkosto> no response
2018-04-01T20:40:00 < rajkosto> probably not one of their certifed companies
2018-04-01T20:40:45 < Steffanx> Dont use your gmail or obscure email address?
2018-04-01T20:41:04 < rajkosto> i got google apps on my domain
2018-04-01T20:41:09 < englishman> neither am i, got a reply with datasheets and example schematics same business day
2018-04-01T20:41:37 < rajkosto> i also cant really find a supplier for GL3224
2018-04-01T20:42:06 < rajkosto> i can for some of the older versions
2018-04-01T20:42:51 < englishman> they can also hook you up with distributors
2018-04-01T20:42:55 < englishman> in usa they pointed me to macnica
2018-04-01T20:42:56 < englishman> https://lcsc.com/product-detail/USB_GENESYS_GL3224-ONY04_GL3224-ONY04_C157358.html
2018-04-01T20:42:57 < englishman> in stock
2018-04-01T20:44:14 < rajkosto> "your advice we have received, we will get back to you!!"
2018-04-01T20:44:54 < rajkosto> a lot of companies are making GL3224 card readers, you would think there would be a leaked schematic somewhere
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2018-04-01T20:58:49 < zyp> englishman, doesn't mention the TI N2HET
2018-04-01T20:59:11 < zyp> which is more like a coprocessor than configurable logic, but still
2018-04-01T20:59:35 < englishman> hmm is that cortex-R only
2018-04-01T21:00:15 < englishman> wow HET looks cool though
2018-04-01T21:00:19 < zyp> yeah
2018-04-01T21:00:31 < zyp> I'm using that for workstuff
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2018-04-01T21:01:11 < zyp> just 14 plain pwm channels, but still :p
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2018-04-01T21:08:16 < Steffanx> What does the N2 even mean?
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2018-04-01T21:14:23 < zyp> IIRC it's a third generation HET
2018-04-01T21:14:33 < zyp> I believe first there were HET, then NHET, then N2HET
2018-04-01T21:14:43 < zyp> TI RM4 has N2HET
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2018-04-01T21:24:16 < psprint> Guys, I'm changing configTOTAL_HEAP_SIZE in freertos configuration, and when I set it to 30 kB, then led blinks fast. When I set it to 128 kB, led blinks slow. Blinking is done in following way: http thread runs, receives */led1 url, toggles led. Browser sees connection reset and reconnects few times, thus the blinking
2018-04-01T21:24:20 < psprint> why the difference?
2018-04-01T21:25:10 < jpa-> use a debugger to find out
2018-04-01T21:26:16 < psprint> hmm true, I could see different code path, although I've expected some bad-luck answer "freertos swipes memory every 5 ms, bigger heap -> slower board"
2018-04-01T21:27:04 < psprint> the code path would be: there's no mistery, more code is triggered at some heap level
2018-04-01T21:57:51 < Steffanx> it's lwip i assume psprint? You can always enable the lwip debugging to see whats going on. Except that this will also slow down lwip.
2018-04-01T22:03:02 < rajkosto> you know what'd be a great altium feature
2018-04-01T22:03:13 < rajkosto> just freeform draw the trace and have it try and curvize it
2018-04-01T22:03:18 < Steffanx> i like how helpful you are jpa-. Keep up the good work :P
2018-04-01T22:05:05 < Steffanx> Sounds a bit like guided autorouting.
2018-04-01T22:05:19 < Steffanx> So perhaps you can achieve this with the ActiveRoute stuff.
2018-04-01T22:07:58 < psprint> Steffanx: ah, now I understand, I've enabled lwip memory overflow checking, comment said it is slow
2018-04-01T22:08:29 < Steffanx> hah ok, good to know psprint
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2018-04-01T22:33:11 < catphish> i see there's a new 120mhz stm32 l4, sounds cool
2018-04-01T22:35:39 < Steffanx> New as in.. ?
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2018-04-01T22:35:42 < Steffanx> How new?
2018-04-01T22:37:05 < Streaker> Aren't the Ls supposed to be slower than the Fs?
2018-04-01T22:37:46 < catphish> yes, the L are slower, they're low power i believe
2018-04-01T22:38:05 < catphish> though i believe they have some benefits too
2018-04-01T22:39:19 < catphish> and by "new", i don't know exactly how new, i just saw an advert from my supplier, claiming it was new, and i'm sure 80MHz was the fastest L4 last time i looked (the one i use)
2018-04-01T22:39:40 < Steffanx> It's not "supposed" to be that for sure Streaker :P
2018-04-01T22:41:28 < Steffanx> Especially since L4 is a cortex-m4f
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2018-04-01T22:44:35 < catphish> the cortex m4 is awesome
2018-04-01T22:44:44 < catphish> do the f4 have an inferior core?
2018-04-01T22:45:00 < Streaker> How is it better than M3?
2018-04-01T22:45:12 < catphish> i have no idea
2018-04-01T22:46:09 < catphish> looks like the m3 doesn't have an fpu
2018-04-01T22:46:19 < catphish> that would be a huge fifference
2018-04-01T22:46:21 < catphish> *difference
2018-04-01T22:49:23 < Steffanx> i think the main difference is the DSP instructions the m4 has
2018-04-01T22:53:45 < Steffanx> catphish, m4 doesnt have the fpu by default either. Its optional.
2018-04-01T22:54:08 < Steffanx> With the FPU it's also known as M4F
2018-04-01T22:59:00 < catphish> Steffanx: that's interesting, i just assumed all m4 had it, the STM32L476RG does anyway
2018-04-01T22:59:26 < catphish> oh yeah, optional, glad st decided to use it
2018-04-01T23:01:10 < catphish> i don't use it, but still think it's cool
2018-04-01T23:01:21 < Rickta59> don't most people doing mcu stuff just stay away from floating point?
2018-04-01T23:02:19 < antto> waat
2018-04-01T23:02:39 < antto> if imma use arm for my personal projects, it'd be because of the fpu
2018-04-01T23:02:59 < Rickta59> single precision fp is ok for you antto ?
2018-04-01T23:03:05 < Streaker> I hate floating point.
2018-04-01T23:03:07 < Cracki_> cortex m has a good bunch even without fpu
2018-04-01T23:03:10 < Cracki_> (compared to avr)
2018-04-01T23:03:13 < antto> better than none
2018-04-01T23:03:18 < Cracki_> *punch
2018-04-01T23:03:37 < Rickta59> i tend to not use division of fp
2018-04-01T23:03:43 < Cracki_> single precision is plenty for almost every control application
2018-04-01T23:03:44 < Rickta59> or not of
2018-04-01T23:04:40 < Cracki_> what _is_ the cortex m FPU performance of division?
2018-04-01T23:04:50 < Rickta59> more than 1 cycle :)
2018-04-01T23:04:57 < Cracki_> does it even have hw divide?
2018-04-01T23:05:10 < Rickta59> hw integer divide yes
2018-04-01T23:05:15 < Cracki_> hm, good enough
2018-04-01T23:05:48 < Cracki_> oh I see vdiv.f32 has 14 cycles
2018-04-01T23:05:50 < Cracki_> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0439b/BEHJADED.html
2018-04-01T23:05:58 < Cracki_> that is rather nice
2018-04-01T23:06:45 < Cracki_> 14 cycles for sqrt too
2018-04-01T23:09:23 < catphish> 14 cycles indeed, not too bad though
2018-04-01T23:09:43 < catphish> didn't know divide was slow, good to know
2018-04-01T23:09:53 < Cracki_> divide/modulo is always slow
2018-04-01T23:10:03 < Cracki_> "slow" compared to multiplication
2018-04-01T23:10:21 < catphish> i didn't know divide and multiply were different
2018-04-01T23:10:27 < catphish> i assume there's some reason they are
2018-04-01T23:10:32 < Cracki_> math :P
2018-04-01T23:10:47 < Cracki_> most parts of multiplication are trivially run in parallel
2018-04-01T23:11:11 < catphish> i usually divide by constants, my compiler probably fixes that to a multiply for me
2018-04-01T23:11:24 < Cracki_> because division is more costly, compilers try to express x / c as x * (1/c)
2018-04-01T23:11:28 < Cracki_> where c is constant
2018-04-01T23:11:35 < Cracki_> aye it does
2018-04-01T23:11:57 < antto> if you have to divide by that constant often..
2018-04-01T23:12:05 < Rickta59> you are more software than hardware catphish ?
2018-04-01T23:12:13 < catphish> yes
2018-04-01T23:12:28 < Rickta59> i used to think digitial meant one and zero :)
2018-04-01T23:12:41 < catphish> well i'm a professional high level software developer, my hobby is hardware and low level software
2018-04-01T23:12:57 < Rickta59> spending some time down here in the guts reveals how abstract I used to be
2018-04-01T23:13:07 < Cracki_> here's a discussion of the problem for integer add vs multiply https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21819682/is-integer-multiplication-really-same-speed-as-addition-on-modern-cpu
2018-04-01T23:13:31 < Rickta59> thrown out your profession software thoughts and get down to basics
2018-04-01T23:13:35 < Rickta59> throw
2018-04-01T23:14:10 < Rickta59> i used to allocate 32k buffers without giving it a thought
2018-04-01T23:14:19 < Rickta59> now I scrounge over 32 bytes
2018-04-01T23:14:40 < catphish> lol
2018-04-01T23:14:54 < Cracki_> well if your ram is 6 orders of magnitude smaller
2018-04-01T23:15:13 < Cracki_> (32k vs 32G)
2018-04-01T23:15:13 < catphish> well at work i'm responsible for asking everyone else why they're using 12GB of RAM :)
2018-04-01T23:15:16 < antto> i think there are some pics which don't have any RAM at all
2018-04-01T23:15:29 < Cracki_> only registers, which is awful
2018-04-01T23:15:47 < Cracki_> I think they have register banks you can switch, but still...
2018-04-01T23:15:59 < Cracki_> (nobody wants to use the low end pics)
2018-04-01T23:16:01 < antto> microshit are full of chip
2018-04-01T23:16:04 < catphish> if you have enough registers to do a job, ram is a pointless extra cost
2018-04-01T23:16:26 < Cracki_> mcp bought atmel for the avr core. avr gets the benefits of rich mcp peripherals.
2018-04-01T23:16:55 < BrainDamage> while that's true if you have to waste 1 year to get your program to fit a shitty uC that uC must be sold in the billions to make it worth
2018-04-01T23:17:12 < antto> more like pickit4 gets the benefit of an ATSAM cpu instead of pic32
2018-04-01T23:17:27 < catphish> i used to love avr8, but the stm32's whole offering is a huge improvement
2018-04-01T23:17:32 < Cracki_> atsam is cortex m/a
2018-04-01T23:17:57 < catphish> i played with the arduino m0 for a while, that's quite nice too
2018-04-01T23:18:07 < antto> Cracki_ yeah, with an atmel datasheet
2018-04-01T23:18:13 < Cracki_> hehe
2018-04-01T23:18:14 < antto> not a microshit datasheet
2018-04-01T23:18:15 < catphish> but really nothing seems to beat ST's peripherals
2018-04-01T23:18:30 < Cracki_> I have little comparison. but I like atmel datasheets
2018-04-01T23:18:33 < Rickta59> i don't really like some of the restrictions on the st spi peripherals
2018-04-01T23:18:45 < Rickta59> i'd like to be able to use more clocks on it
2018-04-01T23:18:55 < Cracki_> moar clocks
2018-04-01T23:18:56 < Rickta59> without driving it as a slave
2018-04-01T23:19:28 < Rickta59> i'd like to be able to use a timer to drive it
2018-04-01T23:20:19 < englishman> >more like pickit4 gets the benefit of an ATSAM cpu instead of pic32
2018-04-01T23:20:21 < englishman> Lol
2018-04-01T23:20:24 < antto> one thing i like about stm32 is that it seems many of them are 5V tolerant
2018-04-01T23:20:50 < antto> i looked into some other arm chips but i didn't see that mentioned
2018-04-01T23:21:00 < englishman> stm8 ftw
2018-04-01T23:21:23 < englishman> yeah all Atmel offerings are 5V blowups
2018-04-01T23:21:48 < Cracki_> blowups?
2018-04-01T23:21:57 < englishman> kaboom
2018-04-01T23:22:07 < catphish> can't we just all agree on a voltage and stick to it
2018-04-01T23:22:21 < antto> that'd be good
2018-04-01T23:22:25 < Cracki_> atsam doesn't like 5v? hm ok
2018-04-01T23:22:54 < BrainDamage> unfortunately cmos speed and consumption is function of voltage
2018-04-01T23:23:01 < catphish> i believe it doesnt
2018-04-01T23:23:13 < BrainDamage> dennard scaling law disagrees
2018-04-01T23:23:14 < antto> i didn't see 5V mentioned in an ATSAM datasheet
2018-04-01T23:23:15 < sync> catphish: that is difficult when you scale down your gate size
2018-04-01T23:23:23 < englishman> Someone put one of my atsam3x boards into some legacy equipment I didn't even know existed, and 5v on the reset line was enough
2018-04-01T23:23:31 < antto> xmegas are not 5V tolerant for sure
2018-04-01T23:23:41 < Cracki_> unfortunate
2018-04-01T23:24:07 < Cracki_> well, boss is gonna check out stm32 or something from renesas (has relatives there for "free" support)
2018-04-01T23:24:30 < Cracki_> now's y'all's chance to dump on renesas
2018-04-01T23:24:51 < Steffanx> hah
2018-04-01T23:24:59 < Steffanx> Do you also get the tooling for free Cracki_?
2018-04-01T23:25:04 < Cracki_> we'll see
2018-04-01T23:25:10 < Cracki_> free as in boss pays for it
2018-04-01T23:25:19 < zyp> I looked over atsam yesterday and saw some families claimed 5V support
2018-04-01T23:25:26 < Steffanx> stm8sucks englishman.
2018-04-01T23:25:28 < antto> oh?
2018-04-01T23:25:29 < zyp> so I guess it depends on a family to family basis
2018-04-01T23:25:30 < sync> > yappu MCUs
2018-04-01T23:25:30 < englishman> lies
2018-04-01T23:25:42 < Steffanx> They are kinda out of stock everywhere.
2018-04-01T23:25:46 < Steffanx> or at least they were
2018-04-01T23:26:02 < antto> zyp i bet there has been a nice family overview on atmel's website.. before microshit f*cked it all up
2018-04-01T23:26:09 < englishman> do you want some of mine
2018-04-01T23:26:19 < Steffanx> no
2018-04-01T23:26:20 < Steffanx> ty
2018-04-01T23:26:25 < Steffanx> stvn
2018-04-01T23:26:36 < Cracki_> atsam c21E/G/J seem to take up to 5.5v supply, they run at 48 mhz
2018-04-01T23:27:01 < Steffanx> oh no, do you go ##stm32 antto? The rage :P
2018-04-01T23:27:05 < Rickta59> aren't there some kinetis 5v chips .. * actually run at 5v
2018-04-01T23:27:19 < antto> Steffanx hm?
2018-04-01T23:27:22 < Rickta59> m0+ and m4
2018-04-01T23:27:24 < Cracki_> there's an mcp-era (attiny817...) atmel-branded table of avr offerings, I'll hunt for an atsam one
2018-04-01T23:27:55 < Cracki_> kinetis? does anyone like kinetis? last time I had to deal with them, I wasn't terribly impressed by the ecosystem
2018-04-01T23:27:57 < antto> Cracki_ afaik attiny817 is akchually "xmega2"
2018-04-01T23:28:11 < Rickta59> KE1xF-168MHz would make all those avr lovers drool
2018-04-01T23:28:12 < Cracki_> antto, not sure how xmega-ish it is. it does have fancy peripherals.
2018-04-01T23:28:20 < Steffanx> but they offer you a totally cool web ui to configure the clock etc Cracki_ \o/
2018-04-01T23:28:25 < Cracki_> stm32 has 168 mhz too, so not sure
2018-04-01T23:28:30 < Steffanx> And their IDE isnt that bad. When you dont hate eclipse.
2018-04-01T23:28:31 < Cracki_> fuck the web ui
2018-04-01T23:28:32 < Rickta59> running at 5v?
2018-04-01T23:29:04 < Cracki_> I tried this atmel start shit once. it generated faulty code (used "|= ~(1<<x)" when it should have used &=)
2018-04-01T23:29:14 < Cracki_> 5v 168 mhz? hm
2018-04-01T23:30:05 < Cracki_> I'm very wary of code generation made by people whose business isn't code generation
2018-04-01T23:30:59 < Cracki_> ah, there it is http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/60001455C.pdf
2018-04-01T23:31:03 < Steffanx> but managers like results and it tends to get basic results fast.
2018-04-01T23:31:04 < Rickta59> VDD Supply voltage min 2.7 max 5.5 V - https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/data-sheet/KE1xFP100M168SF0.pdf
2018-04-01T23:31:06 < Cracki_> 32 bit pic and atsam
2018-04-01T23:31:10 < Steffanx> and then +1000 hours because debugging
2018-04-01T23:31:14 < Cracki_> not bad.
2018-04-01T23:31:28 < Cracki_> aye, it took me a while to find that stupid bug
2018-04-01T23:31:53 < Cracki_> teachable moment: always suspect the bug is in the code you *didn't* write
2018-04-01T23:32:21 < Steffanx> first you blame the compiler.
2018-04-01T23:32:29 < Cracki_> nah, first blame the power supply
2018-04-01T23:32:34 < Rickta59> then the os if it is linux and you are dong
2018-04-01T23:32:36 < antto> you wrote your own compiler, didn't you?
2018-04-01T23:32:53 < Cracki_> compilers are sufficiently mature
2018-04-01T23:32:55 < Steffanx> no that's the hardware engineers responsibility so i blame the hw engineer in that case
2018-04-01T23:32:57 < Cracki_> this atmel start bullshit isn't
2018-04-01T23:33:25 < Cracki_> they stuffed C code in .h files
2018-04-01T23:33:37 < Cracki_> technically it works but I'd rather not
2018-04-01T23:34:19 < Steffanx> i dont hate them when it's supposed to be inline'd or so.
2018-04-01T23:34:23 < antto> still a better idea than a Cloud-based IDE
2018-04-01T23:34:29 < antto> *microshit intensifies*
2018-04-01T23:34:35 < Cracki_> mbed
2018-04-01T23:35:04 < antto> the next step is probably, you don't ever get xc8, you use it via the cloud
2018-04-01T23:35:05 < Steffanx> damn, where does all this hate come from antto. Did ##stm32 do that to you? If so, you integrated fast :P
2018-04-01T23:35:05 < BrainDamage> https://imgur.com/4sRfN4V
2018-04-01T23:35:22 < antto> Steffanx no, i hate microshit from before
2018-04-01T23:36:04 < branjb> microchip is garbage
2018-04-01T23:36:13 < BrainDamage> ^
2018-04-01T23:36:15 < antto> they are full of chip
2018-04-01T23:36:23 < Cracki_> that comic made me smirk. there's a clear divide between laws of nature, and creating shit
2018-04-01T23:36:35 < BrainDamage> paged memory? working registers? I don't even
2018-04-01T23:37:03 < BrainDamage> Cracki_: a joke is like a frog, if you dissect it, it dies
2018-04-01T23:37:13 < Cracki_> boil it first
2018-04-01T23:38:39 < antto> i mean, it's 2018, and the "biggest" pic18F doesn't even have 4K ram (i don't get tired of saying this)
2018-04-01T23:39:11 < Cracki_> hm this claims to have results of upto 300 mhz when I filter for upto 5.5V https://www.microchip.com/ParamChartSearch/chart.aspx?branchID=211&popular=1#
2018-04-01T23:39:34 < Cracki_> hm no, 48 tops
2018-04-01T23:39:44 < antto> it's like they are that fugly thing from LOTR, and RAM is teh precious
2018-04-01T23:40:10 < Cracki_> avrs aren't better
2018-04-01T23:40:19 < Cracki_> (not much anyway)
2018-04-01T23:40:21 < antto> they are
2018-04-01T23:40:35 < antto> xmegas at least are MUCH better
2018-04-01T23:40:58 < Cracki_> I differentiate between atmega/avr and xmega
2018-04-01T23:42:13 < branjb> where would I get hinges like this?  basically just surf mcmaster and hope it exists? https://imgur.com/a/7kdy8
2018-04-01T23:42:22 < antto> pickit3 is teh most annoying sh*t i've used
2018-04-01T23:42:48 < Cracki_> custom made perhaps, branjb
2018-04-01T23:43:00 < branjb> that's more expensive than mcmaster
2018-04-01T23:43:01 < branjb> rip
2018-04-01T23:43:13 < Cracki_> surf then :P
2018-04-01T23:43:15 < englishman> depends
2018-04-01T23:43:21 < englishman> do you have a $300 mig welder
2018-04-01T23:43:22 < Cracki_> the leg looks metal
2018-04-01T23:43:29 < branjb> yeah
2018-04-01T23:43:36 < englishman> then your cost is like 10c
2018-04-01T23:43:48 < Cracki_> and if you want to have a 200 kg human on this seat, you better make sure everything's done right
2018-04-01T23:43:56 < branjb> i'd have no idea how to do that though
2018-04-01T23:44:16 < englishman> stick in tube
2018-04-01T23:44:16 < englishman> weld
2018-04-01T23:44:20 < Cracki_> ^
2018-04-01T23:44:24 < englishman> lube with dry grease
2018-04-01T23:44:26 < branjb> good idea though, i need to get better at welding
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2018-04-01T23:50:53 < Steffanx> Lol, even for american standard 200kg is a bit much cracki
2018-04-01T23:50:59 < Steffanx> Standards*
2018-04-01T23:51:10 < Cracki_> ok 100 kg + flopping down because drunk
2018-04-01T23:51:21 < Rickta59> you haven't seen the girls around here Steffanx ... pretty common
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2018-04-01T23:51:26 < Cracki_> :P
2018-04-01T23:52:00 < Cracki_> otoh, such a specimen would just envelop that tiny seat in their rectum
2018-04-01T23:53:07 < Steffanx> And where is that Rickta59? In tha hood?
2018-04-01T23:53:51 < Rickta59> just down the street
2018-04-01T23:54:39 < Rickta59> Rubens would have lots of models to paint here
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2018-04-02T00:03:41 < Cracki_> love the google doodle today
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2018-04-02T00:18:47 < tct> good night, ##stm32
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2018-04-02T00:19:00 < Steffanx> What doodle Cracki_ ?
2018-04-02T00:19:05 < Cracki_> exactly
2018-04-02T00:19:33 < Cracki_> usually there isn't a day when they don't have one
2018-04-02T00:19:42 < Steffanx> There is.
2018-04-02T00:19:44 < Cracki_> but today? nah, can't be bothered
2018-04-02T00:22:34 < BrainDamage> you had to be in straya
2018-04-02T00:22:35 < BrainDamage> https://australia.googleblog.com/2018/04/just-call-us-googz.html
2018-04-02T00:22:44 < Cracki_> ah
2018-04-02T00:23:30 < Cracki_> I wonder when the vietnamese see that and burn the place down for cultural insensitivity
2018-04-02T00:23:47 < Cracki_> also google doodle != google april's fools
2018-04-02T00:24:16 < Steffanx> welcome stvn
2018-04-02T00:24:23 < BrainDamage> they had it as doodle too
2018-04-02T00:24:28 < BrainDamage> just in straya
2018-04-02T00:27:29 < stvn> hi stffn
2018-04-02T00:28:29 < stvn> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Googs
2018-04-02T00:33:13 < Cracki_> g/k
2018-04-02T00:34:46 < BrainDamage> disappointed, i hope it would be something more like tits
2018-04-02T00:34:53 < BrainDamage> the oo would've made for a nice logo too
2018-04-02T00:37:04 < Cracki_> they could have made damore CEO, but nobody would have bought that
2018-04-02T00:39:14 < Cracki_> k wat do if I want to do some acoustic counter-terrorism against my neighbor :P
2018-04-02T00:39:57 < BrainDamage> get the largest diesel engine you can get your hands on and remove the muffler
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2018-04-02T00:41:14 < Cracki_> I could pipe toxic fumes into his window the next time he 420s
2018-04-02T00:41:52 < Cracki_> was also thinking of a few subwoofers on my floor (he's below me) and then seeing what kinds of standing waves I can make
2018-04-02T00:43:49 < BrainDamage> standing waves would be nice, he'd be quite puzzled why the noise is only present in some places
2018-04-02T00:44:18 < BrainDamage> 50Hz would give a wavelength of 6m which would give about 2m distance between peak min & max
2018-04-02T00:44:30 < BrainDamage> err, 1.5
2018-04-02T00:47:22 < stvn> o,o
2018-04-02T00:49:15 < Cracki_> microphone to only add terrorizing infrasound whenever *he* uses his speakers
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2018-04-02T01:05:14 < sync> ultrasonic + phased array stuff :D
2018-04-02T01:05:57 < antto> just play the brown frequency
2018-04-02T01:06:34 < antto> his toilet most probably doesn't have a multi-client mode
2018-04-02T01:07:37 < antto> i'm kidding, just play some Nat King Cole tracks a bit louder than his music
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2018-04-02T01:22:45 < Thorn> looks like you can get a very sharp bandstop filter with a length 5 fir lol
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2018-04-02T01:26:26 < englishman> https://1.1.1.1/
2018-04-02T01:26:30 < englishman> new dns from cloudflare
2018-04-02T01:26:41 < englishman> unless it's an april fool thing
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2018-04-02T01:28:59 < Cracki_> what's the purpose of that
2018-04-02T01:29:21 < Cracki_> if an ISP wanted to fuck with data, they could do that to any dns server you care to talk to
2018-04-02T01:29:49 < Cracki_> unless dns has become radically more secure within the last few years I haven't paid attention
2018-04-02T01:31:26 < BrainDamage> there's dnssec but it's scarcely deployed, not to mention a technical shitshow
2018-04-02T01:31:32 < stvn> AN out-of-control Chinese space station is hurtling towards Earth and is expected to re-enter our planet’s atmosphere today.
2018-04-02T01:31:38 < stvn> those chinese capacitors mate
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2018-04-02T01:36:50 < machinehum> Wait what
2018-04-02T01:37:00 < machinehum> Just looked it up...
2018-04-02T01:39:35 < Cracki_> (1) chinese space station is gonna burn up within the next hour (2) I think some chinese caps manufacturers are hiking prices and lowering production
2018-04-02T01:41:33 < stvn> the fucking doggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggz
2018-04-02T01:41:55 < englishman> technically, all satellites are out of control
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2018-04-02T01:57:29 < machinehum> Where's it going to crash?
2018-04-02T01:57:34 < machinehum> Or just burnup I guess
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2018-04-02T02:01:31 < Cracki_> someone predicted commiefornia but it seems to rain down over a long stretch of ocean instead
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2018-04-02T02:13:20 < machinehum> Has it already happened?
2018-04-02T02:14:32 < Cracki_> https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/940114/Chinese-Tiangong-1-Space-Station-tracker-LIVE-expected-to-crash-midnight-tonight-latest
2018-04-02T02:14:54 < Cracki_> flying over the arabs right now
2018-04-02T02:15:20 < Cracki_> or more like central africa
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2018-04-02T02:19:43 < machinehum> So no burnup ... this thing is just going to slam into the earth at 28,000km/hr?
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2018-04-02T02:29:38 < machinehum> http://heavens-above.com/GroundTrack.aspx
2018-04-02T02:32:12 < Thorn> so it's going back home to China?
2018-04-02T02:33:35 < stvn> one can hope
2018-04-02T02:34:14 < Cracki_> it'll surely disintegrate and burn some
2018-04-02T02:35:27 < machinehum> ET PHONE HOME
2018-04-02T02:35:43 < Cracki_> somewhere it said that sunlight will accelerate re-entry
2018-04-02T02:35:46 < Cracki_> no clue why
2018-04-02T02:35:52 < machinehum> uhhh
2018-04-02T02:35:57 < machinehum> Ever so slightly
2018-04-02T02:36:04 < machinehum> Photonic energy
2018-04-02T02:36:40 < Thorn> the height is increasing
2018-04-02T02:36:54 < Cracki_> express.co.uk article says 'The orbital speed of the Tiangong-1 is understood to be dependent upon the sun."
2018-04-02T02:37:24 < Cracki_> something about atmosphere
2018-04-02T02:37:24 < machinehum> Maybe this was China's April fools joke? Going to turn on it's boosters and go back to buisness.
2018-04-02T02:37:38 < machinehum> Interesting
2018-04-02T02:44:02 < stvn> burning electrolytic capacitors falling from the sky
2018-04-02T02:49:06 < stvn> also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVpbFMhOAwE
2018-04-02T02:51:52 < Cracki_> “China is now quoting an 12.11-1.33am UTC reentry window.
2018-04-02T02:51:53 < Cracki_>  “Also, they quote a reentry position. If they only know the time worse than an hour, they can't know the position to within +- 13000 km, so the position is meaningless.”
2018-04-02T02:54:35 < Cracki_> it's descending now
2018-04-02T03:09:33 < Cracki_> and going up again. this'll take a while
2018-04-02T03:09:48 < machinehum> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yF3qRPoqw8
2018-04-02T03:09:58 < machinehum> Lol there's a video stream
2018-04-02T03:10:01 < Cracki_> yay proper live stream
2018-04-02T03:10:28 < Cracki_> whats the video on the bottom left
2018-04-02T03:10:36 < Cracki_> nvm, "iss"
2018-04-02T03:10:49 < machinehum> Oh... sadface
2018-04-02T03:12:13 < Cracki_> the parameters don't update
2018-04-02T03:12:14 < Thorn> is the position measured regularly or is it just propagated from elements?
2018-04-02T03:12:22 < Cracki_> looks extrapolated
2018-04-02T03:14:00 < Cracki_> either something's delaying the parameters by 3 minutes or I don't know what's going on
2018-04-02T03:15:13 < machinehum> Apprently it's delayed
2018-04-02T03:15:15 < Cracki_> the way this is going I'd say africa
2018-04-02T03:15:32 < Cracki_> on http://heavens-above.com/GroundTrack.aspx it's peaking at 142km height again
2018-04-02T03:15:58 < machinehum> lul
2018-04-02T03:16:16 < machinehum> Am I missing something... why does the alt increase?
2018-04-02T03:17:11 < Cracki_> no clue, oscillates a bit
2018-04-02T03:17:44 < machinehum> Youtube is saying 122
2018-04-02T03:17:58 < machinehum> Also I don't think this 10 min countdown is going to happen
2018-04-02T03:18:14 < Cracki_> same
2018-04-02T03:19:00 < Cracki_> the countdown is to reentry prediction, which has +- 1.7 hours
2018-04-02T03:19:29 < Cracki_> the prediction gets no updates either
2018-04-02T03:20:30 < machinehum> ahh
2018-04-02T03:21:14 < machinehum> I wonder if people in Chile are looking out their windows
2018-04-02T03:21:26 < Cracki_> if they know, I'm sure
2018-04-02T03:21:54 < Cracki_> you need to be within maybe 1000 km or so
2018-04-02T03:22:35 < machinehum> Just watch it screeching through the atmo
2018-04-02T03:22:43 < machinehum> Would be so awesome
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2018-04-02T03:36:52 < Cracki_> they aren't using live data
2018-04-02T03:36:57 < Cracki_> I wonder who even is
2018-04-02T03:37:20 < Cracki_> the express article says it could already have crashed but nobody knows
2018-04-02T03:38:56 < machinehum> Well then
2018-04-02T03:42:37 < Cracki_> all the sites I find seem to rely on hours old data
2018-04-02T03:42:54 < Cracki_> do they have no active transmitters on that thing?
2018-04-02T03:42:56 < Cracki_> no radar?
2018-04-02T03:43:24 < machinehum> Not sure
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2018-04-02T04:05:17 < R0b0t1> Are you talking about the space station?
2018-04-02T04:05:42 < R0b0t1> Cracki_: machinehum: The equations of orbital motion involved include sin[1/x] which is ill behaved around 0
2018-04-02T04:19:31 < machinehum> Hmm
2018-04-02T04:19:55 < machinehum> lol
2018-04-02T04:19:57 < machinehum> https://www.google.ca/search?q=sin(1%2Fx)&oq=sin(1%2Fx)&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.1935j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
2018-04-02T04:19:59 < machinehum> Apparently
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2018-04-02T04:31:24 < Cracki_> >The Chinese space station has crashed landed on Earth - it struck at the north-west of Tahiti.
2018-04-02T04:31:45 < Cracki_> about 10 minutes ago
2018-04-02T04:32:02 < Cracki_> *1 hours and 15 minutes ago
2018-04-02T04:32:09 < Cracki_> >It has been confirmed that re-entry took place over the South Pacific Ocean at 1.16am GMT.
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2018-04-02T04:32:35 < Cracki_> why the fuck do they think GMT is UTC+1?
2018-04-02T04:32:48 < Cracki_> they're talking about 2:16 UTC
2018-04-02T04:32:58 < machinehum> Whoaaaa
2018-04-02T04:33:05 < machinehum> Wait in the water?
2018-04-02T04:33:13 < Cracki_> sadly, yes
2018-04-02T04:33:17 < Cracki_> *over* the water
2018-04-02T04:33:24 < Cracki_> it all prolly burned nicely
2018-04-02T04:33:45 < Cracki_> not sure what'd happen to metallic debris
2018-04-02T04:33:56 < machinehum> Sink?
2018-04-02T04:34:02 < Cracki_> before that
2018-04-02T04:34:04 < machinehum> Wish I could have seen that
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2018-04-02T04:36:37 < machinehum> Explode
2018-04-02T04:36:44 < Thorn> so much chinesium wasted
2018-04-02T04:36:56 < machinehum> Yeah hitting the water was probably steaming hot
2018-04-02T04:37:44 < kakimir> coolant hose quick connect somehow released when I was driving on highway
2018-04-02T04:41:31 < kakimir> I took no chances and drove in taxi to station to get water and coolant consentration
2018-04-02T04:41:44 < kakimir> eventually it took only like 1-2litres
2018-04-02T04:42:33 < kakimir> could have probs drove home with low coolant level
2018-04-02T04:46:08 < kakimir> once drove home with tractor + empty forage trailer with failed coolant pump
2018-04-02T04:47:09 < kakimir> idle/low engine speed kept the temps around 100celsius
2018-04-02T04:47:19 < kakimir> probs boiling hard
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2018-04-02T04:52:44 < kakimir> steam bubbles around cylinder tubes may cause some metallurgial changes in tubes
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2018-04-02T11:14:36 < Haohmaru> for some reason, i'm not getting symbols out of my .elf with arm-none-eabi-nm
2018-04-02T11:15:01 < Haohmaru> i have the feeling that the elf doesn't have them for some reason, but my main.o seems to have them
2018-04-02T11:15:21 < Haohmaru> could it be that newlib lacks symbols?
2018-04-02T11:17:25 < Haohmaru>  /usr/lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/5.4.1/../../../arm-none-eabi/lib/armv7e-m/fpu/crt0.o seems to have symbols too
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2018-04-02T11:29:16 < PaulFertser> Haohmaru: how do you link? Do you use -ggdb3 consistently both for compiling and linking?
2018-04-02T11:30:13 < Haohmaru> i just used -g, i see this -ggdb3 for the first time
2018-04-02T11:30:17 < Haohmaru> i'll try it
2018-04-02T11:31:29 < Haohmaru> still nope.. should -ggdb3 be passed to the linker? -Wl,-ggdb3 ?
2018-04-02T11:34:40 < Haohmaru> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/58ae83a3/
2018-04-02T11:35:31 < Haohmaru> ugh, f*ck, what is this -s at the end of the linker command o_O
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2018-04-02T11:40:34 < Haohmaru> okay, got symbols now, and .elf
2018-04-02T11:41:30 < Haohmaru> i didn't supply any ld script, so gcc is using a built-in (from newlib or so) but i have no idea which one
2018-04-02T11:42:07 < Haohmaru> i guess this elf won't work properly on the chip because of that, right?
2018-04-02T11:52:34 < PaulFertser> Haohmaru: -ggdb3 adds macro definitions so you will be able to use CPP macros in GDB "print" and other commands.
2018-04-02T11:53:17 < PaulFertser> Haohmaru: depends on where the flash is mapped to. On stm32 it's on 0x08000000 so it needs special handling. As well as ram at 0x20000000.
2018-04-02T11:53:52 < Haohmaru> i guess these can be overridden with linker flags?
2018-04-02T11:54:40 < Haohmaru> but i can't figure out how to find out which .ld script is being used
2018-04-02T11:55:20 < PaulFertser> Probably -v would show
2018-04-02T11:55:47 < Haohmaru> i think i tried that, and couldn't see any .ld mentioned
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2018-04-02T12:03:51 < PaulFertser> Interesting, strace suggests it creates a temporary ld file in /tmp, no idea yet how to properly use that.
2018-04-02T12:12:20 < PaulFertser> Haohmaru: in my test it discarded everything and produced an empty ELF. Most probably because my startup uses "isr_vector" section for interrupt table and the default ld script doesn't have an explicit keep for it.
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2018-04-02T12:34:31 < Haohmaru> i see this: PROVIDE (__executable_start = SEGMENT_START("text-segment", 0x8000)); . = SEGMENT_START("text-segment", 0x8000);
2018-04-02T12:35:07 < Haohmaru> to my uneducated nose, it smells like i can override this __executable_start or SEGMENT_START via arguments
2018-04-02T12:38:46 < kakimir> dongs, have you made your aluminium foil ball yet?
2018-04-02T12:42:15 < stvn> i wasn't expecting you to say that kakimir
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2018-04-02T12:43:02 < Haohmaru> hm, i make such balls for my cat, she loves em
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2018-04-02T12:43:26 < kakimir> but polished
2018-04-02T12:43:39 < kakimir> totally compressed
2018-04-02T12:43:44 < Haohmaru> nah, just squashed.. the foil from a chocolate bar
2018-04-02T12:43:47 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-02T12:43:57 < kakimir> cats love it because it makes noise
2018-04-02T12:44:13 < kakimir> and bounce around
2018-04-02T12:44:35 < Haohmaru> not much noise.. it's just a rough-shaped ball which is not very heavy, and they got good grip on it
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2018-04-02T12:50:03 < Steffanx> Stvn are you alive?
2018-04-02T12:50:28 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR4aGERWpys we had movie nigth yesterday
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2018-04-02T13:05:14 < catphish> what happens if i read the same channel from 2 different ADCs at the same time?
2018-04-02T13:05:45 < kakimir> interesting question
2018-04-02T13:05:53 < kakimir> and.. why would you do that?
2018-04-02T13:07:03 < catphish> it was really just a passing thought, i have 2 linked ADCs, i need to read 2 current sensors simultaneously, great, then i need to read a single voltage sensor, what to do with the second ADC?
2018-04-02T13:07:39 < kakimir> just whatever
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2018-04-02T13:07:43 < kakimir> read temperature or something
2018-04-02T13:07:45 < catphish> i thought maybe if i read the same input with both, i might win an extra bit of accuracy
2018-04-02T13:07:52 < dongs> catphish: it works
2018-04-02T13:08:07 < catphish> however, the point is probably moot, i'll likely find something else to measure
2018-04-02T13:08:16 < catphish> temperature, input pot, whatever
2018-04-02T13:08:32 < catphish> it was more a curiosity
2018-04-02T13:09:32 < kakimir> bandgap voltage
2018-04-02T13:10:10 < catphish> oh, one other quesion, can i mix differential and single ended on the same ADC without any issue?
2018-04-02T13:11:14 < catphish> does single ended just connects VINN to AGND?
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2018-04-02T13:15:20 < stvn> Steffanx o/
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2018-04-02T13:41:15 < jpa-> catphish: you'll just cause 2x the sampling noise on the channel
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2018-04-02T13:48:47 < catphish> jpa-: on the single ended channel?
2018-04-02T13:49:04 < jpa-> if you read the same channel on two ADCs at the same time
2018-04-02T13:49:17 < catphish> jpa-: oh, ok :)
2018-04-02T13:49:29 < catphish> well i won't try it
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2018-04-02T14:12:11 < catphish> there are way too many options for how to configure these ADCs :)
2018-04-02T14:13:01 < catphish> i'm measuring 3 phase currents, dunno if i want to use one ADC in a loop, or try to synchronize all 3, or just measure 2 phase currents instead of all 3
2018-04-02T14:13:17  * catphish hates decisions
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2018-04-02T14:23:32 < Steffanx> If you can get away with 3 channels sampled sequentially.. that's easy to setup.
2018-04-02T14:25:48 < Steffanx> I was going to ask you a DJ question, but i better not ask that P:
2018-04-02T14:25:52 < Steffanx> @ stvn
2018-04-02T14:26:06 < dongs> better ask him how to pump
2018-04-02T14:26:36 < sync> catphish: you want to measure the two phases that actually carry current
2018-04-02T14:26:50 < catphish> sync: they all carry current
2018-04-02T14:26:52 < sync> ideally in the middle of the pwm duty
2018-04-02T14:27:10 < sync> one can be always zero
2018-04-02T14:27:25 < Steffanx> I'll ask you that next time, dongs
2018-04-02T14:27:35 < Steffanx> It takes a pumper to spot a pumper.
2018-04-02T14:28:31 < catphish> sync: i use sine waves, never considered any other pattern, but sine waves work well
2018-04-02T14:29:10 < Haohmaru> whut r u guys pumping?
2018-04-02T14:29:18 < catphish> technically one only needs to measure 2 phases, since they sum to zero, but i don't know if it's better to measure all 3, so my hardware will continue to support that until i deem it unnecessary
2018-04-02T14:29:43 < dongs> some pro irc EEs said to only need to measure 2
2018-04-02T14:29:45 < sync> you deemed it unnecessary a few days ago
2018-04-02T14:30:01 < dongs> sync is 3phase master
2018-04-02T14:30:03 < sync> sine waves have nothing to do with one being zero
2018-04-02T14:30:49 < catphish> sync: actually a few days ago i was going to switch to measuring DC current only, but i'm not sure if that's the right way to go
2018-04-02T14:31:46 < catphish> sync: of course sine waves have to do with one being zero, if you have 3 sine waves at 120 degrees, there are very few times when one of them has zero current
2018-04-02T14:32:08 < catphish> only very briefly at the crossing point
2018-04-02T14:32:41 < sync> yes, but then your modulation index sucks
2018-04-02T14:32:45 < sync> I already told you about that
2018-04-02T14:33:29 < catphish> i don't know what a modulation index is
2018-04-02T14:34:12 < sync> google is your friend
2018-04-02T14:34:26 < Haohmaru> the result of modulator*amount
2018-04-02T14:34:42 < catphish> i tried googling it when you mentioned it before, but didn't find anyhting relevent
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2018-04-02T14:35:27 < catphish> i'm quite sure 3 sine waves is the correct way to drive an induction motor though, i'm not aware of anyone using any other current waveform
2018-04-02T14:35:36 < sync> first result is relevant
2018-04-02T14:36:32 < Haohmaru> if you mean 3phase async motor - yes, 3 de-phased sine waves
2018-04-02T14:36:46  * Haohmaru remembers that from le school
2018-04-02T14:36:53 < catphish> Haohmaru: that's what i thought
2018-04-02T14:37:06 < sync> http://crinq.github.io/js_stuff/pwm_sim/index.html
2018-04-02T14:37:11 < sync> see the magic in action
2018-04-02T14:39:01 < catphish> sync: i use flat bottom svm with left pwm
2018-04-02T14:39:32 < catphish> but there's still no time when any phase current is zero
2018-04-02T14:40:09 < catphish> since the phase currents are sine waves
2018-04-02T14:40:18 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLlFQmofh2c how japs fight
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2018-04-02T14:42:23 < catphish> g2g now
2018-04-02T14:42:25 < sync> why are you using left pwm?
2018-04-02T14:52:32 < jadew> who knew I'd need a floppy drive in 2018...
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2018-04-02T14:55:45 < jadew> found an USB one, but no disks
2018-04-02T14:55:46 < catphish> sync: just by default, i might change it, but for now it works
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2018-04-02T14:59:30 < chris_99> hi, just wondering if anyone minds taking a quick look at my schematic ( https://www.anfractuosity.com/files/umic.png ) specifically the SWD section, i think pins 2-6 are wired correctly, i'm just wondering mainly about pin1 at the moment of the SWD connector
2018-04-02T15:02:58 < Haohmaru> PaulFertser, i think i got some progress.. -Wl,-Ttext=<offset> can move the flash
2018-04-02T15:03:17 < Haohmaru> -Tdata is probably for the RAM
2018-04-02T15:03:27 < rajkosto> help how do length match better than manually https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-04-02_14-03-19.png
2018-04-02T15:07:31 < dongs> chris_99: what the hehll
2018-04-02T15:07:34 < dongs> where is SWD connector antyway?
2018-04-02T15:07:48 < dongs> why do you have diodes and ressitors and shit there
2018-04-02T15:07:51 < dongs> you dont need any of that
2018-04-02T15:08:13 < dongs> whats with voltage divider on PA0
2018-04-02T15:08:21 < dongs> and weierd diode fuckers
2018-04-02T15:08:25 < dongs> get rid of all thoser 22Rs
2018-04-02T15:08:44 < dongs> get rid of cap on reset button
2018-04-02T15:08:56 < dongs> pull it up if you want, but unless your shit is in some noisy environemnt, dont care
2018-04-02T15:09:16 < chris_99> ah cheers! the 22Rs came from the ref. schematic i found, they're not necessary then?
2018-04-02T15:09:32 < dongs> no definitely not
2018-04-02T15:10:01 < Haohmaru> chris_99, i also steal from the example schematics in datasheets *shrug*
2018-04-02T15:10:04 < dongs> your shitty stlink clone will nevr reach the speeds where those Rs would start to make a diffrence
2018-04-02T15:10:40 < chris_99> regarding the pin1 on the SWD, would you just connect that straight to PA0, without any of the diodes or pot divider stuff?
2018-04-02T15:10:41 < dongs> you could also lose the series R on main xtal
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2018-04-02T15:10:55 < dongs> i mean it *should* be tehre technically but i've seen 100s of stm designs and none of htem actually had that in there
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2018-04-02T15:11:16 < Haohmaru> dongs, what it if was hidden ;P~
2018-04-02T15:11:26 < Haohmaru> under the rug
2018-04-02T15:11:31 < dongs> forget about 100K on USB_ID
2018-04-02T15:11:34 < dongs> just pull that shit to gnd
2018-04-02T15:12:50 < dongs> also we all know kikecad is shit,  but damn that symbol is ugly
2018-04-02T15:13:01 < dongs> i find the writing out of all funcitons to actually be fucking useless
2018-04-02T15:13:09 < dongs> because its not like youre gonna be doing pin planning wihtout datasheet/cube open
2018-04-02T15:13:25 < chris_99> i think they are possibly looking at changing the number of labels on the chips iirc
2018-04-02T15:13:38 < dongs> i just don't think its necessary at all
2018-04-02T15:13:55 < dongs> PA0..15 or whatever is more than enough, maybe highlight the SWD thing like PA14/SWDIO or wahtever.
2018-04-02T15:14:10 < dongs> anyone who needs to know all the alt fuinctions will have datasheet or cubemx with pinout planning already done
2018-04-02T15:14:46 < dongs> oh and lose that sereies R in rtc xtal too
2018-04-02T15:15:01 < dongs> don't tie boot0 to gnd permanently
2018-04-02T15:15:16 < dongs> put it on a pad next to 3.3V
2018-04-02T15:15:24 < dongs> don't connect vbat to anything unless you actually haev a battery
2018-04-02T15:15:35 < dongs> in which case, you'll need battery/diode/etc circuit going there
2018-04-02T15:15:58 < chris_99> ah, i tied boot0 to gnd, as it'd be using the flash memory, is that a bad idea?
2018-04-02T15:17:14 < dongs> well, you should pull it to gnd with 10K or something, but also have a jumper/pad or something to be able to short it to 3.3 to enter bootlaoder (could be handy if you fuck up GPIO mapping and turn off SWD, tho i guess connecting under reset would be same effect)
2018-04-02T15:19:30 < rajkosto> dongs, most minimal stm32 setup that can send arbitrary SDIO commands  ?
2018-04-02T15:20:27 < rajkosto> and is a usb device
2018-04-02T15:20:49 < dongs> rajkosto: just that, connect SDIO and stick a series R into sdio_clk
2018-04-02T15:20:59 < rajkosto> which chip smallest/cheapest that can do that
2018-04-02T15:21:06 < dongs> F401 shoulddo, 64pin
2018-04-02T15:21:10 < dongs> F401RE
2018-04-02T15:21:20 < rajkosto> thats a pretty larg chip
2018-04-02T15:21:22 < dongs> maybe 48qfn version of 411 also.. if it has sdio
2018-04-02T15:21:38 < dongs> lets cube it up
2018-04-02T15:21:54 < rajkosto> usb2.0 not necessary but preferable
2018-04-02T15:21:55 < jpa-> i like the functions on pin labels, but yeah, it's getting quite long for STM32's
2018-04-02T15:22:59 < dongs> rajkosto: 64pin QFP is the smallest if you want SDIO
2018-04-02T15:23:08 < dongs> only thing smaller is WLCSP64
2018-04-02T15:23:25 < rajkosto> and i assume you cant really bitbang sdio
2018-04-02T15:23:31 < rajkosto> at any reasonable rates
2018-04-02T15:23:40 < dongs> christ.
2018-04-02T15:23:55 < dongs> okay eh
2018-04-02T15:23:59 < dongs> F411 does have it
2018-04-02T15:24:01 < chris_99> cheers dongs.  before you mentioned about ditching the diodes etc. on pin1 of SWD, is it right, to tie SWD pin 1 directly to PA0 then instead?
2018-04-02T15:24:03 < dongs> F411CC
2018-04-02T15:24:12 < dongs> in QFN48
2018-04-02T15:24:29 < rajkosto> no google results for F411CC
2018-04-02T15:24:35 < dongs> rajkosto: STM32F411CC
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2018-04-02T15:24:58 < dongs> chris_99: uhh why is it going to PA0 at all
2018-04-02T15:25:02 < dongs> isn't that target_vcc?
2018-04-02T15:25:13 < dongs> get rid of all that shit going to PA0
2018-04-02T15:25:15 < rajkosto> oh boii
2018-04-02T15:25:17 < dongs> none of it is needed for debug
2018-04-02T15:25:18 < rajkosto> that one is in WLCSP49
2018-04-02T15:25:38 < dongs> no, its 7x7 47QFN
2018-04-02T15:25:41 < dongs> 48QFN
2018-04-02T15:25:47 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/stmicroelectronics/STM32F411CCU6TR/497-17440-1-ND/8024099
2018-04-02T15:27:26 < rajkosto> xpensive bois
2018-04-02T15:27:34 < dongs> gotta pay to play
2018-04-02T15:28:06 < rajkosto> anything cheaper in tqfp 64/48 ?
2018-04-02T15:28:33 < dongs> pretty much any TQFP64 has sdio
2018-04-02T15:28:37 < dongs> from F1 to F7 series.
2018-04-02T15:28:54 < dongs> F205 F401 F405 F41x
2018-04-02T15:29:01 < dongs> F401xE is cheapest
2018-04-02T15:29:10 < dongs> actually
2018-04-02T15:29:16 < dongs> F401Rx, where x is B/C/D/E
2018-04-02T15:29:28 < rajkosto> what does that mean
2018-04-02T15:29:32 < dongs> flash size
2018-04-02T15:29:43 < rajkosto> what does the R mean
2018-04-02T15:29:49 < dongs> QFp64
2018-04-02T15:30:43 < rajkosto> STM32F401RBT6 is cheapest ?
2018-04-02T15:31:40 < chris_99> dongs: ah sorry, does pin1 need to connect to anything?
2018-04-02T15:32:00 < dongs> chris_99: of what? stlink connector? from what i remember its just target voltage.
2018-04-02T15:32:05 < dongs> rajkosto: probably.
2018-04-02T15:32:15 < dongs> i can't find how much i paid for my 401RE but it was cheap
2018-04-02T15:32:18 < dongs> digikey single price is retarded
2018-04-02T15:32:22 < dongs> it was $2-3 or less
2018-04-02T15:33:25 < rajkosto> what about 407
2018-04-02T15:33:39 < dongs> chepear in the package thats on 407disco
2018-04-02T15:33:48 < dongs> doesnt exist in 64pin afaik
2018-04-02T15:33:52 < rajkosto> STM32F407VET6
2018-04-02T15:33:53 < dongs> 64pin 407 = F405
2018-04-02T15:33:57 < dongs> VE is 100pin
2018-04-02T15:33:59 < chris_99> dongs: sorry i mean on the board itself, i'm a bit confused what i would wire pin1 to
2018-04-02T15:34:08 < dongs> chris_99: VCC of your board.
2018-04-02T15:34:10 < dongs> directly.
2018-04-02T15:34:12 < dongs> with nothign else.
2018-04-02T15:34:39 < chris_99> cheers, sorry for all the questions, there's not a reference schematic you've done you'd recommend btw?
2018-04-02T15:34:51 < dongs> look at nucleo/discovery/erc shit
2018-04-02T15:34:56 < dongs> erc=etc
2018-04-02T15:35:07 < rajkosto> how can 100pin package be cheaper
2018-04-02T15:35:15 < dongs> because its more common
2018-04-02T15:36:17 < rajkosto> i can get STM32F401RBT6 2pack for 5bucks or 5pack for 12bucks
2018-04-02T15:36:34 < dongs> there you go
2018-04-02T15:36:36 < dongs> done
2018-04-02T15:36:36 < rajkosto> so i guess thats alright
2018-04-02T15:36:54 < rajkosto> RCT6 same price
2018-04-02T15:37:00 < dongs> double the flash
2018-04-02T15:37:21 < rajkosto> price only doubles at RET6
2018-04-02T15:38:06 < dongs> 2018: i have no idea what my headless rageberry IP address is. but I remember like a week ago I connect to it remotely thorugh IPV6 from remote box. so I go back there and up-enter.
2018-04-02T15:38:14 < dongs> bouncing IPV6 across the world just to blink leds on a pi
2018-04-02T15:38:49 < rajkosto> minimal schematic for sdio and usb2.0 working ?
2018-04-02T15:39:26 < dongs> rajkosto: bypass caps, vcap(s), USB to PA11/12 or whatever, SDIO to the needed pins, power, swd
2018-04-02T15:39:43 < rajkosto> screenshot me the cube with sdio active pls
2018-04-02T15:39:48 < rajkosto> dont have cube
2018-04-02T15:40:03 < rajkosto> i only use the finest hipster crafted open source libs
2018-04-02T15:40:09 < dongs> SD 4 bit?
2018-04-02T15:40:14 < dongs> or emmc 8
2018-04-02T15:40:15 < rajkosto> how wide does it go
2018-04-02T15:40:22 < rajkosto> does emmc 8 work on 64tqfp ?
2018-04-02T15:40:23 < dongs> 8
2018-04-02T15:40:25 < dongs> y
2018-04-02T15:40:29 < rajkosto> choose that then
2018-04-02T15:40:31 < rajkosto> use the most pin s
2018-04-02T15:40:47 < rajkosto> do i need fucken 22R on the sd lines
2018-04-02T15:40:52 < rajkosto> does it use RCLK
2018-04-02T15:41:53 < dongs> only on clk and only if you really plan to run it at over 9000mhz
2018-04-02T15:42:02 < rajkosto> 52
2018-04-02T15:42:03 < dongs> i've ran it without, no problem
2018-04-02T15:42:04 < rajkosto> can it do 52
2018-04-02T15:42:07 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/hHNC0kU.png
2018-04-02T15:42:39 < rajkosto> USB_FS :thinking:
2018-04-02T15:42:45 < rajkosto> i thought the F401 did HS
2018-04-02T15:42:51 < dongs> no
2018-04-02T15:42:57 < dongs> 405 does (with external phy)
2018-04-02T15:43:06 < rajkosto> which one did
2018-04-02T15:43:18 < rajkosto> there were some with internal HS
2018-04-02T15:43:23 < dongs> none
2018-04-02T15:44:26 < rajkosto> well shit
2018-04-02T15:46:05 < rajkosto> and the external PHY is expensive and shit ?
2018-04-02T15:46:21 < dongs> its cheap but I think pointless
2018-04-02T15:46:32 < rajkosto> it cant properly 20MB/s ?
2018-04-02T15:46:40 < rajkosto> stm not powerful enough ?
2018-04-02T15:46:55 < dongs> youhave a 100Mhz MCU with AHB running at 1/2 that
2018-04-02T15:47:02 < dongs> do you REALLY think its gonna do 20mb/sec?
2018-04-02T15:47:16 < rajkosto> i mean
2018-04-02T15:47:17 < rajkosto> the FX2 can
2018-04-02T15:47:27 < dongs> FX2 has dedicated USB buffers/hardware
2018-04-02T15:47:28 < rajkosto> and thats a weird 48MHz 8051 (with hardware dma engines)
2018-04-02T15:48:52 < rajkosto> i can plop down a FX2 cheaply though
2018-04-02T15:48:59 < rajkosto> theyre like a dollhair
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2018-04-02T15:50:07 < dongs> i detect that you're a fucking jew
2018-04-02T15:50:13 < rajkosto> yes
2018-04-02T15:50:24 < rajkosto> maximum cheap
2018-04-02T15:51:12 < rajkosto> isnt that the way to do it ?
2018-04-02T15:51:20 < rajkosto> the fx2 is a nightmare to program tho id rather not
2018-04-02T15:53:23 < Haohmaru> looks like the <insert_arm_cortex> chip selection ritual
2018-04-02T15:54:16 < rajkosto> dongs, does that SDIO engine have hardware CRC ?
2018-04-02T15:54:29 < rajkosto> if not, that'd be the bottleneck
2018-04-02T15:55:36 < dongs> yes
2018-04-02T16:05:11 < rajkosto> i need 3.3v dc2dc for this dont i
2018-04-02T16:09:41 < dongs> some emmc runs at 1.8V
2018-04-02T16:09:46 < rajkosto> they all support 3.3v
2018-04-02T16:09:48 < dongs> most high speed modes require 1.8
2018-04-02T16:09:57 < rajkosto> yes they want VDDQ to be 1.8v for DDR modes
2018-04-02T16:09:59 < dongs> but i think those are > 100 or > 200mhz
2018-04-02T16:10:00 < dongs> yeah
2018-04-02T16:10:02 < rajkosto> however
2018-04-02T16:10:08 < rajkosto> it still works in mots cases even if you dont
2018-04-02T16:10:23 < dongs> well with 48mhz max on STM sdio you've got nothing to worry about
2018-04-02T16:10:25 < rajkosto> but this is on proper SoC not STM32
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2018-04-02T16:12:24 < Haohmaru> PaulFertser, i think the default linker script is one of those found in /usr/lib/arm-none-eabi/ldscripts ... they are not with .ld extensions and no idea which one
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2018-04-02T16:17:05 < PaulFertser> Haohmaru: yes, looks like that. I'm more and more convinced those scripts are not useful for microcontroller programming, and so I suggest to use an external one like e.g. libopencm3 does.
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2018-04-02T17:11:50 < Haohmaru> PaulFertser, opencm3 seems to use two .ld files for a chip, and if i use those i get warnings/errors about reset_handler
2018-04-02T17:19:11 < Haohmaru> there's obviously some additional stuff that goes with that which i am missing.. i don't think it's just main() plus some linker scripts and newlib
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2018-04-02T17:58:40 < rajkosto> dongs, yo, no XI/XO on that stm32f401 ?
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2018-04-02T18:00:39 < kakimir> dongs still awake?
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2018-04-02T18:18:16 < Thorn> wat is XI/XO
2018-04-02T18:23:22 < fest> crystal oscillator in/out
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2018-04-02T18:24:15 < fest> rajkosto seems to be using dongs as a remote stm32cubemx instance
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2018-04-02T18:24:37 < Thorn> all of them should have HSE
2018-04-02T18:24:52 < Thorn> that's the only way to properly clock USB for example
2018-04-02T18:24:54 < rajkosto> dongs knows best
2018-04-02T18:26:00 < Thorn> I used 401rb in a design with usb and hse
2018-04-02T18:26:10 < Thorn> *and xtal
2018-04-02T18:26:41 < rajkosto> they werent on his screenshot, is all
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2018-04-02T18:37:25 < kaa> I need to ask dongs if we start pumpin together
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2018-04-02T18:37:43 < kaa> when he comes from sleep
2018-04-02T18:39:46 < kaa> I have napkins in my bag in case I need to wipe my own nose - am I adult now?
2018-04-02T18:41:05 < jadew> I heard that you have to have napkins in your bang in order to wipe someone else's nose to be an adult
2018-04-02T18:41:35 < jadew> *bag
2018-04-02T18:42:09 < kaa> shiet
2018-04-02T18:42:14 < kaa> that's hard
2018-04-02T18:43:37 < jadew> hmm... 1 floppy disk is $1.3
2018-04-02T18:43:52 < jadew> that's expensive, right?
2018-04-02T18:44:10 < englishman> how much were they new
2018-04-02T18:44:33 < englishman> can you make them for less?
2018-04-02T18:44:41 < jadew> don't know how much they used to be
2018-04-02T18:44:50 < jadew> englishman lol
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2018-04-02T18:49:22 < Steffanx> Why do you need it jadew?
2018-04-02T18:49:37 < jadew> old equipment with floppy disk
2018-04-02T18:52:30 < Steffanx> -_-
2018-04-02T18:52:48 < jadew> I went to a local store and asked for floppy disks and he made a weird face
2018-04-02T18:53:02 < jadew> if he asked what I needed it for, I would have said that I want to copy a movie from a friend
2018-04-02T18:53:41 < jadew> *the guy I asked made the face, not the store
2018-04-02T18:54:24 < kaa> I used to make animations with powerpoint
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2018-04-02T18:54:33 < Thorn> CRS-14 launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPQHG-LevZM
2018-04-02T18:54:47 < kaa> all the spreadsheet animation properties made it possible to do stuff
2018-04-02T18:54:52 < jadew> Thorn, maybe let us know again in 4 hours?
2018-04-02T18:55:01 < Steffanx> Hah. Yes.
2018-04-02T18:55:04 < Steffanx> Indeed
2018-04-02T18:55:08 < Thorn> if I don't fall asleep
2018-04-02T18:55:13 < kaa> then my friends made them too when I show those to them
2018-04-02T18:55:19 < Steffanx> Ill keep you awake Thorn
2018-04-02T18:55:34 < kaa> one friend made power point porn with paint + powerpoint
2018-04-02T18:55:49 < kaa> and recorded sounds to it himself on his computer
2018-04-02T18:56:14 < kaa> he started blasting it in school - we were 10-12years old
2018-04-02T18:57:11 < kaa> I tried to turn volume down and another friend tried to turn volume up causing amplifier to fall on the floor and be damaged
2018-04-02T18:57:55 < kaa> just when teacher walked in - sound was muted but I was standing in front of broken amplifier on the floor
2018-04-02T18:58:49 < kaa> they closed powerpoint and teacher never knew what we were doing.. just that I threw the amplifier on the floor
2018-04-02T18:59:43 < kaa> our powerpoint porn ring was saved
2018-04-02T19:05:49 < englishman> so there is a nissan dealership very close to the office, i stop in there before work
2018-04-02T19:05:55 < englishman> yes hello i want to buy a nissan leaf
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2018-04-02T19:06:07 < englishman> ok no problem i cant do that please wait for the leaf specialist
2018-04-02T19:06:10 < englishman> ...
2018-04-02T19:06:11 < englishman> ok
2018-04-02T19:06:12 < englishman> wait 20mins
2018-04-02T19:06:14 < englishman> leave
2018-04-02T19:06:21 < englishman> clearly they are not dying to sell these cars
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2018-04-02T19:07:49 < zyp> haha
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2018-04-02T19:11:36 < kaa> leaf specialist must be a codeword to every seller to hide
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2018-04-02T22:11:56 < Steffanx> oh noes, youtube is broken :o
2018-04-02T22:12:39 < englishman> https://www.worksonmymachine.pro/
2018-04-02T22:12:48 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWuhcDuo66qYo-ca3Gen4_g that too?
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2018-04-02T22:14:07 < upgrdman> neat
2018-04-02T22:14:17 < upgrdman> surprused google would show an error log like that
2018-04-02T22:14:30 < englishman> haha, nope,that's broken
2018-04-02T22:19:55 < Steffanx> i understand. Google knows i shouldnt watch lpc stuff
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2018-04-02T22:57:03 < Cracki_> so what encoding is that text?
2018-04-02T22:57:49 < Cracki_> 64 different chars...
2018-04-02T22:58:03 < upgrdman> base64?
2018-04-02T22:58:15 < upgrdman> uuencode or wtf it's called
2018-04-02T22:58:20 < Cracki_> certainly, but with some transformation
2018-04-02T22:58:28 < Cracki_> perhaps no uuencode
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2018-04-02T23:02:17 < Cracki_> prolly just randomness. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21681084/decoding-youtubes-error-500-page
2018-04-02T23:05:28 < rajkosto> encrypted exception object state ?
2018-04-02T23:06:11 < upgrdman> one time pads for their nuclear arsenal
2018-04-02T23:10:25 < Steffanx> "If you see them, send them this information as text (screenshots frighten them):" Hah, it seems they have met LeelooMinai.
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2018-04-02T23:36:32 < zyp> jpa-, you're right, DWT doesn't seem so useful to measure ISR load after all
2018-04-02T23:39:06 < zyp> a statistical approach with PC sampling might work if it's easy to distinguish ISR and other code by PC
2018-04-02T23:40:13 < zyp> but I'd have to be careful to avoid aliasing artifacts between sample interval and ISR interval
2018-04-02T23:41:50 < stvn> Gas pipe
2018-04-02T23:44:47 < karlp> zyp: another method is to is to use two itm channels,
2018-04-02T23:45:06 < karlp> write the irq num to channel x on entry, and to channel y on exit.
2018-04-02T23:45:15 < karlp> requires code mods, but....
2018-04-02T23:45:49 < zyp> DWT can already emit trace packets on entry/return
2018-04-02T23:46:29 < zyp> but they are not timestamped, and packet timing itself is probably not accurate enough
2018-04-02T23:50:51 < zyp> hmm
2018-04-02T23:51:05 < zyp> do we have ETM and/or ETB in any stm32s?
2018-04-02T23:53:33 < sync> I think they all have etm
2018-04-02T23:53:56 < zyp> my impression is that they have ETM but not ETB
2018-04-02T23:54:18 < sync> yeah I don't think they have etb
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2018-04-02T23:55:17 < sync> I thought about getting a jtrace but that shit is quite expensive for what it is
2018-04-02T23:55:30 < zyp> I remember a couple of other micros I've looked at lets you configure one of the sram blocks as ETB
2018-04-02T23:55:37 < zyp> but I haven't seen that in stm32
2018-04-02T23:59:42 < karlp> zyp: not sure how much bandwidth you'd save on pc sampling vs dwt either honestly.
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2018-04-03T00:00:14 < zyp> not about bandwidth, it's about accuracy/resolution
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2018-04-03T00:02:30  * karlp shrugs.
2018-04-03T00:02:49 < karlp> last time we were interested in a high rate irq, we gpio toggled and watched it's duty cycle on a scope.
2018-04-03T00:03:52 < karlp> dwt's entry/exit methods probably has slightly higher overhead than manually doing it explicitly with information you know ont eh side though? (haven't checked)
2018-04-03T00:04:07 < karlp> emitting timing packets in the stream will trash your trace bandwidth too.
2018-04-03T00:07:06 < zyp> the thing about trace packets is that I can't reliably measure the length of an ISR if either the length of the ISR or the interval between ISRs are long enough to fit the entry/exit packets, respectively
2018-04-03T00:07:44 < zyp> gpio duty is probably the way I'll be going
2018-04-03T00:08:24 < zyp> not long enough*
2018-04-03T00:08:42 < zyp> if the packages had timestamps, it would have been a simpler matter
2018-04-03T00:10:00 < zyp> alternatively I can sample CYCCNT at start and end of ISR
2018-04-03T00:10:58 < karlp> if you're just doing a specific interrupt, writing that delta to a dedicated itm channel is ~ök too I guess.
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2018-04-03T00:12:11 < stvn> Has steffan quit?
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2018-04-03T00:26:02 < zyp> karlp, I don't really care about trace at all, I just want to know how much cpu the ISR consumes
2018-04-03T00:26:41 < zyp> I thought DWT had a counter that would count it, but it turns out it only counts entry/exit overhead, i.e. stacking/unstacking
2018-04-03T00:26:48 < zyp> not actual executed instructions
2018-04-03T00:28:46 < sync> ah oh
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2018-04-03T00:33:55 < karlp> yeah, I was just thinking of ways of using trace for it, but yeah, I remember one time looking at some of the counters in the dwt region and wondering what the fuck they were for.
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2018-04-03T00:48:11 < Steffanx> Yes, stvn
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2018-04-03T00:48:23 < stvn> Hi sir
2018-04-03T00:48:40 < Steffanx> Welcome
2018-04-03T00:49:32 < stvn> Thanks
2018-04-03T00:49:48 < stvn> There was a man in the city asking everyone for $4
2018-04-03T00:52:31 < stvn> He went in to 7/11 and started asking people in the queue
2018-04-03T00:53:18 < stvn> I couldn’t do anything to help cause no guns in .au
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2018-04-03T01:09:21 < Steffanx> The poor guy.
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2018-04-03T01:10:39 < stvn> Yeah heroin has gone up in price
2018-04-03T01:10:56 < stvn> And down in purity, you can’t even overdose
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2018-04-03T01:37:24 < fest> does anyone have insight on what kind of accuracy would I get if I tried to do radiometric calibration of thermal camera?
2018-04-03T01:40:52 < fest> i.e. if I have raw 14bit data from thermal camera core and devise a calibration routine which would probably involve collecting a lot of samples of scene emitting just IR in the correct wavelength (black-body radiation) and accurate FPA sensor temperature measurements
2018-04-03T01:47:00 < Cracki_> fest, what brand of thermal cam
2018-04-03T01:47:44 < Cracki_> beyond correcting offset and gain, you might have nonlinearities
2018-04-03T01:48:00 < Cracki_> and I have no idea how these things estimate the shape of the spectrum
2018-04-03T01:48:34 < Cracki_> so "14 bit raw" is probably already something linearly proportional to temperature
2018-04-03T01:48:54 < fest> Cracki_: FLIR
2018-04-03T01:49:19 < Cracki_> then you'd best get in contact with FLIR and ask them about details
2018-04-03T01:49:36 < fest> I have been, currently their smallest OEM core with decent resolution isn't available with radiometry feature
2018-04-03T01:49:39 < Cracki_> btw, "black-body radiation" is a shape of spectrum
2018-04-03T01:49:55 < Cracki_> figure out what this "14 bit raw" means
2018-04-03T01:50:42 < Cracki_> it's either a kind of bayer pattern, only the color channels represent sampling the spectrum at relevant wavelengths up to 15 um
2018-04-03T01:51:01 < Cracki_> or it's already temperature in fixed point representation
2018-04-03T01:51:45 < fest> 14 bit raw is digital representation of irradiance received by each microbolometer
2018-04-03T01:52:04 < fest> it already is somewhat proportional to temperature
2018-04-03T01:52:06 < Cracki_> do you see patterns
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2018-04-03T01:52:29 < fest> yes, if patterns are visible in scene :>
2018-04-03T01:52:32 < Cracki_> do you realize that temperature is not proportional to energy of a certain wavelength, but to the shape of the spectrum?
2018-04-03T01:52:38 < Cracki_> dude...
2018-04-03T01:53:41 < fest> I'm not sure I get what do you mean by shape of spectrum
2018-04-03T01:54:39 < Cracki_> see first figure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-body_radiation
2018-04-03T01:56:12 < Cracki_> perhaps they do just sample energy at a single wavelength... that'd be shit though
2018-04-03T01:56:30 < Cracki_> here's a nicer plot http://www.sun.org/encyclopedia/black-body-radiation
2018-04-03T01:56:31 < kakimir> did you know that clear night sky radiation temperature is like -60Celsius
2018-04-03T01:57:04 < Cracki_> makes sense. atmosphere.
2018-04-03T01:57:47 < kakimir> that is why car parked outside is totally frosted
2018-04-03T01:57:55 < kakimir> and car parked under roof is not
2018-04-03T01:57:55 < fest> Cracki_: ok, the last plot makes sense now. The core I'm interested in is supposed to be sensitive to ~7-15um
2018-04-03T01:57:59 < kakimir> 5meters away
2018-04-03T02:01:44 < Cracki_> hm, seems these things really do operate single-channel...
2018-04-03T02:01:57 < Cracki_> I wonder how they compensate for attenuation effects
2018-04-03T02:03:31 < fest> atmospheric?
2018-04-03T02:08:52 < Cracki_> hm I guess this is what they mean by calibrating for emissivity. they merely sample incident energy, not the spectrum of it.
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2018-04-03T03:50:42 < catphish> fixed my indecision, decided to do current sensing on 2 phases using linked ACD1+2, designed a board, now with big boost converter https://imgur.com/a/FH07x
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2018-04-03T04:25:01 < dongs> needs more SMA
2018-04-03T04:37:42 < aandrew> word
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2018-04-03T04:40:21 < aandrew> I think I went with MCX on my last board
2018-04-03T04:41:05 < Cracki_> SMA: surface mount assembly or SubMiniature version A connector
2018-04-03T04:41:38 < Cracki_> ordered one of these DSO 203 pocket scopes. also uses mcx
2018-04-03T04:42:12 < Cracki_> the fpga is a lattice ice65, so maybe this'll be the fpga "dev board" to get me into it
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2018-04-03T05:19:29 < Thorn> https://markusmeister.com/2018/03/20/death-of-the-sampling-theorem/amp/
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2018-04-03T05:42:07 < Cracki_> the paper https://bioeeweb.ee.columbia.edu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/IEEE-Paper.pdf
2018-04-03T05:42:35 < Cracki_> [1]
2018-04-03T05:43:18 < Cracki_> [2] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-02009-x.pdf
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2018-04-03T05:45:41 < Cracki_> looks like in figure 3 they still have an analog lowpass before the adc
2018-04-03T05:46:02 < Cracki_> but a mux inbetween inputs and LPF, instead of after the LPFs
2018-04-03T05:50:49 < Cracki_> hah so these smarties recovered a pure sine signal by assuming there's a pure sine signal.
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2018-04-03T06:20:43 < branjb> more MAKE:ering
2018-04-03T06:20:47 < branjb> or w/e dongs calls it
2018-04-03T06:20:47 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/VMXiI
2018-04-03T07:02:24 < englishman> 8k winner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp0t2jCMGZE
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2018-04-03T07:05:48 < dongs> nice
2018-04-03T07:06:24 < dongs> free fpv simulator
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2018-04-03T07:06:52 < dongs> trappy move over
2018-04-03T07:07:46 < dongs> WTF
2018-04-03T07:09:13 < machinehum> What's 8k?
2018-04-03T07:09:51 < englishman> binary size
2018-04-03T07:10:10 < englishman> https://2018.revision-party.net/compos/pc
2018-04-03T07:10:10 < machinehum> This is some sort of compression comp?
2018-04-03T07:10:37 < dongs> yes, called skillful programming
2018-04-03T07:11:00 < dongs> englishman: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/137328390 why its not here
2018-04-03T07:11:30 < englishman> dono, i dont watch twitch
2018-04-03T07:12:46 < dongs> oh this is alst years
2018-04-03T07:12:50 < dongs> they havent sorted this years shit iyet i ugess
2018-04-03T07:15:28 < rajkosto> machinehum, demos have been a thing for like 30 years
2018-04-03T07:15:49 < rajkosto> and they have arbitrary size limit categories and see what the best thing they can fit into that
2018-04-03T07:16:34 < machinehum> Very cool
2018-04-03T07:16:54 < rajkosto> 4K/8K was a lot more space back then
2018-04-03T07:16:59 < rajkosto> but you got a lot more cpu to waste now :P
2018-04-03T07:18:43 < machinehum> These guys code in ASM?
2018-04-03T07:18:52 < machinehum> Or maybe just C and optomise
2018-04-03T07:18:53 < rajkosto> mostly
2018-04-03T07:19:03 < upgrdman> wtf  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrloDPyKrms
2018-04-03T07:19:07 < rajkosto> you have to use a really specific subset of x86 so that the code compressor can make it tiny more efficiently
2018-04-03T07:19:31 < dongs> rajkosto: almsot no reason to use asm tehse days
2018-04-03T07:19:35 < dongs> compilers are good enough
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2018-04-03T07:19:42 < rajkosto> compilers like making hueg code
2018-04-03T07:19:44 < dongs> some of 4k/8k shit is actaully cpp
2018-04-03T07:19:51 < machinehum> Except maybe these 8k comps
2018-04-03T07:19:59 < machinehum> oh rly?
2018-04-03T07:20:15 < rajkosto> wasnt kkrieger the first thing they used a compilero ne
2018-04-03T07:20:31 < rajkosto> and they had to add profiling shit that would remove all unused code paths
2018-04-03T07:20:32 < machinehum> I'll submit mine next year... Python
2018-04-03T07:20:46 < rajkosto> machinehum, cant, the interpreter has to be included in the size
2018-04-03T07:21:02 < rajkosto> it has to run with a blank install
2018-04-03T07:21:05 < rajkosto> offline
2018-04-03T07:21:48 < machinehum> Was joking :P
2018-04-03T07:21:57 < machinehum> So there's literially no DLL...
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2018-04-03T07:22:02 < rajkosto> also, most of the code is now in shaders
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2018-04-03T07:22:17 < rajkosto> they dont even use the rasterization pipeline in the gpus
2018-04-03T07:22:22 < rajkosto> easier to raymarch to victory
2018-04-03T07:22:28 < machinehum> hmm
2018-04-03T07:22:34 < rajkosto> like with shadertoy
2018-04-03T07:22:44 < rajkosto> all the shadertoy stuff uses no rasterization
2018-04-03T07:22:58 < dongs> did upgrdman link porn
2018-04-03T07:23:05 < dongs> i clicked and closed cuz looked gay
2018-04-03T07:23:09 < rajkosto> he linked death apparently
2018-04-03T07:23:19 < englishman> he linked dumb shit from reddit
2018-04-03T07:24:04 < englishman> you get what you get with a clean windows install
2018-04-03T07:24:09 < englishman> which includes a lot
2018-04-03T07:24:14 < englishman> directx for instance
2018-04-03T07:24:32 < machinehum> Oh
2018-04-03T07:24:50 < machinehum> Not bad... Can you access anything on the FS?
2018-04-03T07:24:59 < rajkosto> sure
2018-04-03T07:25:05 < rajkosto> you can do whatever an exe can
2018-04-03T07:25:09 < machinehum> Just play all those stupid sample videos that come with Windows
2018-04-03T07:25:10 < rajkosto> but the computer is offline and blank
2018-04-03T07:25:43 < englishman> loading windows sounds and fucking with them might be an interesting strategy yes
2018-04-03T07:25:54 < dongs> https://www.twitch.tv/videos/245461899?t=05h29m04s
2018-04-03T07:25:55 < dongs> found it
2018-04-03T07:26:04 < englishman> some demo a few years ago played sounds from gfx shaders
2018-04-03T07:26:05 < rajkosto> probably takes more space to load and parse a file
2018-04-03T07:26:08 < rajkosto> than just generating a signal yourself
2018-04-03T07:26:18 < englishman> yeah
2018-04-03T07:27:05 < dongs> englishman: watching it with audience cheering is way better
2018-04-03T07:27:12 < englishman> col
2018-04-03T07:27:13 < englishman> cool
2018-04-03T07:27:13 < rajkosto> no, i hate the audience
2018-04-03T07:27:17 < rajkosto> bunch of drunk fuckin idiots
2018-04-03T07:27:23 < rajkosto> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMIIIIIIIIIIIGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
2018-04-03T07:28:23 < rajkosto> i actually just run the exe myself if i can, so it doesnt youtube compress to shit
2018-04-03T07:30:37 < englishman> innovation time https://www.taydaelectronics.com/m581a-l3-m581a-ding-dong-door-bell-sound-ic-to-92-mos-design.html
2018-04-03T07:30:46 < ColdKeyboard> Would STM32 be able to drive something like OV12895 (12Mpx) camera with camera interface or something else?
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2018-04-03T07:31:21 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: yes but not very usefully
2018-04-03T07:31:31 < ColdKeyboard> In what sense?
2018-04-03T07:31:36 < englishman> how many people on your design team
2018-04-03T07:32:00 < ColdKeyboard> Just me for now doin HW&FW :)
2018-04-03T07:32:05 < ColdKeyboard> *doing
2018-04-03T07:32:14 < dongs> if it has ISP that can output jpeg
2018-04-03T07:32:28 < dongs> and then you're limited to max dma size of like 64k or whatever
2018-04-03T07:32:32 < dongs> anyway, don't bother.
2018-04-03T07:33:58 < ColdKeyboard> Like what I need is basically when I receive UDP packet over network, I take a frame and dump it back over network. That's all it needs basically
2018-04-03T07:34:07 < dongs> nope
2018-04-03T07:34:11 < dongs> not at 12mp
2018-04-03T07:34:19 < rajkosto> what interface do those have ?
2018-04-03T07:34:22 < rajkosto> 8bit parallel or MIPI-CSI ?
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2018-04-03T07:34:31 < ColdKeyboard> MIPI/LVDS
2018-04-03T07:34:34 < dongs> yeah it might not even do 12mp over parallel at all
2018-04-03T07:34:34 < rajkosto> they are REALLY meant for phone-like SoC
2018-04-03T07:34:37 < dongs> most new cams are MIPI only
2018-04-03T07:34:44 < dongs> o yeah, forget it then
2018-04-03T07:34:52 < rajkosto> dongs, you can get a MIPI-CSI to parallel chip
2018-04-03T07:34:58 < dongs> p l e a s e
2018-04-03T07:35:01 < dongs> you fucking stoner
2018-04-03T07:35:02 < rajkosto> but yeah the stm32 wont have enough bandwidth to sample that shit
2018-04-03T07:35:04 < rajkosto> use a fpga or something
2018-04-03T07:35:19 < rajkosto> or you know.... a SoC chip these are supposed to itnerface with
2018-04-03T07:35:23 < rajkosto> raspbi can
2018-04-03T07:35:34 < rajkosto> rasbpi*
2018-04-03T07:35:43 < dongs> no it can't
2018-04-03T07:35:46 < ColdKeyboard> Any SOC for interfacing with cameras like this come to mind?
2018-04-03T07:35:49 < rajkosto> it has MIPI-CSI interface
2018-04-03T07:35:53 < dongs> only 2 lane CSI and only supports one sensor (sold by them, no surprise) and driver is closed sores
2018-04-03T07:35:58 < rajkosto> ah ok
2018-04-03T07:36:23 < rajkosto> even on the 3+ ?
2018-04-03T07:36:28 < ColdKeyboard> Or should I be looking at making my own SBC (which I have no idea where to start but it's on my bucket list)
2018-04-03T07:36:34 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: literally anything. my pal is fucking around wiht some RK3299 shit wiht has dual 12mp csi cams on it
2018-04-03T07:36:55 < ColdKeyboard> rajkosto: Yeah, drivers for RPi3+ are closed source
2018-04-03T07:37:06 < dongs> no, drivers for any rpi
2018-04-03T07:37:14 < dongs> for anything non-trivial
2018-04-03T07:37:53 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/Sx3WCl0.png < lunix failing
2018-04-03T07:38:39 < ColdKeyboard> So if micro can't cut it, how does one go about designing a single board computer or a board with microprocessor, DDR and all those bells and whistles. Any resources or starting points?
2018-04-03T07:38:53 < dongs> yes, you start with a SoM and use that
2018-04-03T07:39:25 < dongs> http://phytec.com/products/system-on-modules/phycore/i.mx7/ literally hundreds of vendors to choose from
2018-04-03T07:39:56 < dongs> usually some kinda edge card or SODIMM or highsped socket like that one there interface to your main board
2018-04-03T07:40:04 < englishman> just add lunix
2018-04-03T07:40:09 < dongs> this way yotu dont need to make 12 layher pcb and fuck it all up just to add something simple
2018-04-03T07:40:49 < englishman> you dont design SBCs, you copypaste someone else's
2018-04-03T07:40:52 < englishman> this is 2018 dude
2018-04-03T07:41:05 < rajkosto> ColdKeyboard, its really hard to make your own SBC because of tiny ball pitch on the SoC and DDR routing
2018-04-03T07:42:45 < rajkosto> computers-on-SODIMM are actually quite expensive (compared to what you can get preassembled) so arent for consumer use, but for integration in industrial/specialized products
2018-04-03T07:44:07 < ColdKeyboard> Right. I guess I have a really simple application; take frame from camera and send it back over ethernet. SBC on the market have ton of stuff that I don't really that raise the price of the unit
2018-04-03T07:44:23 < rajkosto> you need a phone-ish SoC to do it
2018-04-03T07:44:38 < rajkosto> the MIPI-CSI interface is connected up to the GPU so that it can send it straight to the display (for preview) and encoder (for saving video/jpeg files)
2018-04-03T07:45:02 < rajkosto> the cpu just writes out the data
2018-04-03T07:45:03 < ColdKeyboard> rajkosto: I'm new to this arena, can you recommend some SoC or what to look for?
2018-04-03T07:45:13 < rajkosto> all the super cheap ones only have 8-bit parallel camera
2018-04-03T07:45:21 < rajkosto> also MIPI is proprietary/licenced/patented shit
2018-04-03T07:45:34 < englishman> get a ragepberripi and write some python
2018-04-03T07:45:38 < englishman> done in <1 day
2018-04-03T07:45:45 < rajkosto> so good luck finding drivers/interfacing datasheets
2018-04-03T07:46:19 < ColdKeyboard> That sucks :(
2018-04-03T07:46:25 < rajkosto> (the drivers are mostly i2c to set up the camera, the CSI link "just works" after that since its all implemented in proprietary hardware modules inside the SoC)
2018-04-03T07:46:39 < dongs>  < englishman> get a ragepberripi and write some python
2018-04-03T07:46:45 < dongs> only if you wanna use their shitty 5mp module
2018-04-03T07:46:57 < ColdKeyboard> Yeah, 5Mpx module is garbage and unusable
2018-04-03T07:46:58 < rajkosto> didnt someone manage to get data transfer over the CSI stuff on a raspberry ?
2018-04-03T07:47:07 < englishman> he didnt give image quality requirements
2018-04-03T07:47:12 < rajkosto> with a fpga on the other side
2018-04-03T07:47:20 < ColdKeyboard> rajkosto: They managed to overclock the camera to get more fps but not to use different camera model
2018-04-03T07:47:20 < rajkosto> you dont actually need to use the module
2018-04-03T07:47:41 < rajkosto> you can change the i2c driver and then try messing with the CSI driver's settings
2018-04-03T07:47:47 < dongs> lol.
2018-04-03T07:47:49 < rajkosto> but that wont magically get you more lanes/speed
2018-04-03T07:47:54 < englishman> add on a usb point and shoot if you need better stuff
2018-04-03T07:47:54 < dongs> please just shut the fuck up
2018-04-03T07:48:38 < englishman> this is a 1 man project, shitberrypi and a point and shoot is what you are going to get
2018-04-03T07:49:20 < dongs> does lunix support USB webcams thee adys
2018-04-03T07:49:21 < dongs> these
2018-04-03T07:49:23 < rajkosto> dongs, https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=109137
2018-04-03T07:49:25 < dongs> with reasonable quality
2018-04-03T07:50:09 < ColdKeyboard> Well yes, it's 1 man project. But I have a company that does 3D scanning. They need like ~150 of these per scanner. So having a $50 raspberry Pi + $40 camera module is ridicilously expensive
2018-04-03T07:50:30 < ColdKeyboard> *I don't have company, I've been contacted by them to send a proposal :)
2018-04-03T07:50:34 < englishman> the alternative is to pay you for a year to make something slightly cheaper
2018-04-03T07:50:40 < rajkosto> ColdKeyboard, hahaahha a 50$ module is too expensive !
2018-04-03T07:50:48 < rajkosto> good luck getting it done for 50$ per camera
2018-04-03T07:50:48 < englishman> that uses $40 SoM plus $40 daughterboard and imager
2018-04-03T07:50:49 < dongs> give up if you think thats too expensive
2018-04-03T07:51:02 < rajkosto> its gonan be more like 200$ per camera
2018-04-03T07:51:02 < englishman> ^
2018-04-03T07:51:09 < rajkosto> if you ignore work time
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2018-04-03T07:51:38 < ColdKeyboard> Well the single unit should be around $100, which should be doable
2018-04-03T07:51:49 < englishman> what is the name of the company? so i can follow them for personal interest reasons
2018-04-03T07:51:53 < rajkosto> the cheap Allwinners only provide 8bit parallel camera input
2018-04-03T07:51:54 < englishman> and to invest in their competition
2018-04-03T07:51:55 < rajkosto> and it barely works
2018-04-03T07:51:55 < ColdKeyboard> problem is, if you call someone and ask for 500 raspberry pi + 500 cameras... good luck
2018-04-03T07:52:10 < rajkosto> and raspberry pi cannot support your 12MP camera module
2018-04-03T07:52:17 < rajkosto> you needa pretty recent phone SoC
2018-04-03T07:52:26 < englishman> are they really asking 1 guy straight out of technical school to develop their entire 3d scanning apparatus
2018-04-03T07:52:34 < rajkosto> good luck getting those on a module + the drivers/IP to run them properly
2018-04-03T07:52:45 < ColdKeyboard> Thanks :P
2018-04-03T07:52:56 < englishman> its not on you man its on them
2018-04-03T07:53:07 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: RS will entertain custom production runs of rageberry (with parts added/removed) with a MOQ of 500 or 1k
2018-04-03T07:53:19 < dongs> or was it e14
2018-04-03T07:53:23 < dongs> https://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-76955/l/raspberry-pi-customization-service yeah that
2018-04-03T07:53:23 < englishman> just think about that for a second
2018-04-03T07:53:38 < dongs> oopsm MOQ is 5K
2018-04-03T07:53:40 < englishman> how much will they be charging for 150 12mp cameras and apparatus and support
2018-04-03T07:53:50 < englishman> $500k?
2018-04-03T07:54:10 < englishman> and they asked one junior to design everything for them?
2018-04-03T07:54:11 < rajkosto> ColdKeyboard, "ive never designed any boards or know how buses/signals work":"GREAT LETS HAVE YOU DESIGN THE LATEST AND GREATEST IN HIGH SPEED PROPRIETARY PATENTED MOBILE PHONE CAMERA INTERFACES"
2018-04-03T07:55:14 < dongs> https://www.element14.com/community/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/105-114548-456139/stack3s.jpg
2018-04-03T07:55:14 < ColdKeyboard> Well I've already delivered to them 2 systems that they are selling for $400k to the end customers. Now they are looking to reduce the price by decreasing performance a bit
2018-04-03T07:55:17 < dongs> haha
2018-04-03T07:55:20 < dongs> We released an expansion card for Raspberry Pi packed with resources:
2018-04-03T07:55:22 < dongs> Eight on-board relays, 8 12-bit ADC channels,12-bit DAC output, 8 opto-isolated inputs, 4 open collector outputs, 6 GPIO's, four level stackable. Currently on Kickstarter.
2018-04-03T07:55:40 < dongs> fucking why
2018-04-03T07:55:45 < dongs> what is the purpose of that fucking board
2018-04-03T07:55:57 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mbeffa/raspberry-pi-mega-io-expansion-card
2018-04-03T07:55:58 < dongs> $20k
2018-04-03T07:55:59 < dongs> fuck me
2018-04-03T07:56:05 < dongs> ok im gonna put my LED panel shield on there
2018-04-03T07:56:09 < englishman> controlling 16 fans on my buttcoin miner ofc
2018-04-03T07:56:10 < dongs> half price of aidsfruit
2018-04-03T07:56:17 < dongs> englishman: haha holy shit i never thought
2018-04-03T07:56:20 < ColdKeyboard> So they have a system to run with. I just want to see how to design something more custom
2018-04-03T07:56:59 < rajkosto> dongs, and all of these outputs are unsuitable for most things
2018-04-03T07:57:09 < rajkosto> FUND OUR CRAPPY HAT PROJECT
2018-04-03T07:57:22 < ColdKeyboard> dongs: You said RS will make custom production runs of Rpi? Is there any link I can follow up or do you need to harras them by email?
2018-04-03T07:57:38 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: i just pasted it < dongs> https://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-76955/l/raspberry-pi-customization-service yeah that
2018-04-03T07:57:41 < dongs> not RS, E14
2018-04-03T07:58:12 < dongs> if you email tehm from @gmail.com address I woudl not expect a reply
2018-04-03T07:58:22 < englishman> or .ca
2018-04-03T07:58:32 < dongs> .ca is automatic blacklist anyway
2018-04-03T07:58:38 < dongs> only dumb french faggots there
2018-04-03T07:59:00 < dongs> when you email japanese company from a .jp address they don't reply either
2018-04-03T07:59:25 < englishman> now if you have a private tld like .abb or .komatsu
2018-04-03T07:59:27 < dongs> https://www.netiot.com/netpi/industrial-raspberry-pi-3/
2018-04-03T07:59:27 < rajkosto> dongs, alcor micro didnt reply yet btw
2018-04-03T07:59:30 < englishman> instant project acceptance
2018-04-03T07:59:40 < rajkosto> leak datasheets yourself pls
2018-04-03T08:01:08 < dongs> call them up, lunch time just over
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2018-04-03T08:04:03 < rajkosto> how do you sneak into their secret email they actually respond to
2018-04-03T08:04:11 < rajkosto> i dont think the contact us link on the product page does anything
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2018-04-03T08:25:59 < dongs> I have their contacts from 2007
2018-04-03T08:27:22 < rajkosto> oh so maybe things have changed since
2018-04-03T08:27:30 < dongs> no
2018-04-03T08:27:36 < rajkosto> btw wasnt the precursor to the cypress FX from alcor micro ?
2018-04-03T08:27:40 < dongs> i called htem up
2018-04-03T08:27:41 < rajkosto> the usb 1.1 FS 8051
2018-04-03T08:27:51 < dongs> no, that was anchor chips
2018-04-03T08:27:56 < rajkosto> yes
2018-04-03T08:27:58 < rajkosto> very similar name
2018-04-03T08:28:31 < dongs> i called htem up, they were like "send email to sales@ with your address",m and 15 mins later they replied to me wiht info
2018-04-03T08:28:50 < rajkosto> cuz they know you legit
2018-04-03T08:29:47 < rajkosto> you are THE dongs
2018-04-03T08:31:25 < dongs> http://www.alcorlink.com/CARD-READER-USB3.0.html thats their chink version
2018-04-03T08:31:36 < dongs> i bet the phone on the bottom would be answereds immediately
2018-04-03T08:34:04 < rajkosto> jesus the menu on the english site
2018-04-03T08:34:06 < rajkosto> is flash
2018-04-03T08:34:38 < dongs> CRICK HERE TO ENABRE FURASSHU
2018-04-03T08:35:14 < dongs> english site of alcorlink?
2018-04-03T08:35:16 < dongs> no flash here
2018-04-03T08:35:29 < rajkosto> so should i be using alcorlink or alcormicro.com
2018-04-03T08:35:35 < dongs> they're same thing
2018-04-03T08:35:44 < rajkosto> different emails
2018-04-03T08:35:51 < rajkosto> different sites
2018-04-03T08:36:37 < dongs> same chink company
2018-04-03T08:38:10 < dongs> oh i have their email from 2017
2018-04-03T08:38:23 < dongs> when I uasked for updated docs for thier newest smartcard reader
2018-04-03T08:38:36 < dongs> thats the one where his signature says alcormicro and email is chink@alroclink.com
2018-04-03T08:38:54 < dongs> Dear Just,
2018-04-03T08:38:54 < dongs> The information you need, please find。 thank you！
2018-04-03T08:38:56 < dongs> ha ha.
2018-04-03T08:39:13 < dongs> i dont even remember how i asked that, probably another phone call
2018-04-03T08:40:26 < rajkosto> should i actually send to chink@alcorlink.com
2018-04-03T08:40:49 < rajkosto> or do you mean gonghuang@
2018-04-03T08:40:59 < dongs> yeah i meant some chinkyname@
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2018-04-03T08:43:15 < jpa-> zyp: class IrqTime { IrqTime(uint64_t &accumulator): m_acc(accumulator), m_start(DWT_CYCCNT) {} ~IrqTime() {m_acc += DWT_CYCCNT-m_start;}};     and then just   void my_fast_irq() { IrqTime t(g_time_spent_here);  ...  }     :)
2018-04-03T08:44:26 < dongs> awful
2018-04-03T08:45:01 < jpa-> just because it's c++ or otherwise also?
2018-04-03T08:45:11 < dongs> no im just trolling
2018-04-03T08:45:22 < dongs> but yeah thats what I would do
2018-04-03T08:45:29 < dongs> with macros
2018-04-03T08:45:30 < dongs> or someshit
2018-04-03T08:45:37 < jpa-> yeah
2018-04-03T08:45:49 < jpa-> it will count nested irqs twice, though
2018-04-03T08:45:51 < dongs> do you need to make m-acc volatile?
2018-04-03T08:46:06 < dongs> is & a shitty C++ reference that can't be null?
2018-04-03T08:46:32 < jpa-> not really, because DWT_CYCCNT is volatile so it will be read at correct time, and the write can't really be postponed past the end of the function anyway
2018-04-03T08:46:47 < jpa-> yeah it is
2018-04-03T08:47:06 < jpa-> except null and dangling references are easy to make in c++
2018-04-03T08:48:10 < dongs> https://www.twitch.tv/videos/233035904 the fuck is this
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2018-04-03T08:50:30 < rajkosto> its someone working on a pcb in altium bviously
2018-04-03T08:50:31 < rajkosto> with no mic
2018-04-03T08:50:36 < rajkosto> totally not subnautica WITH mic
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2018-04-03T08:54:29 < rajkosto> dongs, got a generic email for genesys logic in case their contact form is broken ?
2018-04-03T08:55:11 < dongs> i only have @genesyslogic.com.tw
2018-04-03T08:55:15 < dongs> and its mostly names
2018-04-03T08:55:34 < rajkosto> PM me on
2018-04-03T08:55:36 < rajkosto> one
2018-04-03T08:56:00 < dongs> probly all ragequit by now
2018-04-03T08:56:08 < rajkosto> PM me all of them i will do mass spam
2018-04-03T09:00:59 < rajkosto> i found 3 generic ones, emailing all of them
2018-04-03T09:02:14 < rajkosto> whoever replies first i use their chip
2018-04-03T09:02:37 < dongs> haha
2018-04-03T09:09:13 < rajkosto> theyre all the same anyway
2018-04-03T09:09:42 < rajkosto> same integrated regulators, same xtal and SPI flash wanted (if you want upgrade firmware), same package
2018-04-03T09:10:51 < rajkosto> they even stole each others diagram with the 8051 core rom/ram
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2018-04-03T09:59:09 < stvn> Ho ho
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2018-04-03T10:29:41 < zyp> jpa-, ah, cute RAII
2018-04-03T10:36:26 < dongs> wut
2018-04-03T10:36:31 < dongs> is that what common sense is called now?
2018-04-03T10:36:38 < dongs> i didn't see anything I coudln't understand in that code snippet
2018-04-03T10:36:56 < dongs> usually retarded C++ features are unreadable to someone who only knows C
2018-04-03T10:37:12 < PaulFertser> dongs: C doesn't have destructors.
2018-04-03T10:37:28 < dongs> like T<template<<<<lol,dongs>()>>()()>>
2018-04-03T10:38:02 < dongs> PaulFertser: but the functionality of that is obvious from looking
2018-04-03T10:38:48 < PaulFertser> dongs: still I do not think you can implement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAII in C in a sensible way.
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2018-04-03T10:42:26 < dongs> isnt thre setjmp or whatever shti in C to do something like this
2018-04-03T10:42:36 < dongs> anyway I'd just put the shit in macros and stick them before every return;
2018-04-03T10:42:47 < dongs> and if its a fast irq there shouldn't be that many exit points out of it anyway
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2018-04-03T10:43:33 < dongs> hm definitely not setjmp. anway, wahtever. i thought that code was readable and made sense
2018-04-03T10:43:39 < dongs> which I can't say for majority of C++ code
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2018-04-03T10:51:23 < PaulFertser> dongs: manual resource management is a known cause of many bugs. You do not face it on microcontrollers often because usually you cut down on all dynamic allocations/acquisitions to make it more predictable.
2018-04-03T10:51:57 < dongs> for sure
2018-04-03T10:51:58 < zyp> dongs, the point of RAII is to execute code automatically when leaving a scope, i.e. when a function returns
2018-04-03T10:52:03 < dongs> zyp, i know'
2018-04-03T10:52:55 < zyp> it reduces fuckups because now you don't have to remember to explicitly free resources and similar
2018-04-03T10:59:25 < zyp> also, a C++ reference is basically a const pointer, i.e. you can't change it to point to something else after you have declared it, and so you must initialize it when declaring it
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2018-04-03T11:18:52 < Haohmaru> afaik the reference can get optimized out and cost zero too ;P~
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2018-04-03T12:24:48 < zyp> Haohmaru, so can const pointers
2018-04-03T12:25:27 < Haohmaru> i bet
2018-04-03T12:59:00 < stvn> rofl @ apple planning to ditch intel
2018-04-03T13:00:27 < stvn> april 1 was a while ago
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2018-04-03T13:20:13 < karlp> TIL about  -fsso-struct=endianness
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2018-04-03T13:30:02 < stvn> cool
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2018-04-03T14:01:15 < dongs> haha
2018-04-03T14:01:35 < dongs> apparently naomi "tranniecyborg" wu got it's gaytreon deleted
2018-04-03T14:01:41 < dongs> due to some drama wiht vice
2018-04-03T14:09:52 < Haohmaru> i need a dongs language decoder
2018-04-03T14:10:18 < dongs> Wu’s pseudonym hasn’t protected her from the sort of harassment that hypervisible women face on a regular basis. Wu has been derided for her clothing, body, race, and gender. Online, she’s been called a “whore,” “bimbo,” and “prostitute,” she says, and has received disturbing threats to her physical safety.
2018-04-03T14:10:25 < dongs> for fucks sake, fuck smartquotes
2018-04-03T14:14:43 < BrainDamage> wtf is wrong with your unicode
2018-04-03T14:15:16 < dongs> IRC doens't do unicode'
2018-04-03T14:15:41 < BrainDamage> irc doesn't give a shit about what you pass, hence you need to pass utf-8 for unicode to work properly
2018-04-03T14:15:44 < BrainDamage> but you're not
2018-04-03T14:16:00 < jadew> apparently there's a new holiday in UK
2018-04-03T14:16:07 < jadew> Punish a muslim day
2018-04-03T14:16:43 < jadew> lots of outrage going on online as we speak (it's today)
2018-04-03T14:16:58 < jadew> dongs, is this still old?
2018-04-03T14:19:54 < jadew> apparently the people participating in this are to post videos and photos on some website, for points
2018-04-03T14:21:20 < dongs> hold on im researching this trannycybord drama it looks way more interesting
2018-04-03T14:21:35 < jadew> https://www.thequint.com/news/world/punish-a-muslim-day-campaign-united-kingdom-islamophobia
2018-04-03T14:21:41 < jadew> dongs, link?
2018-04-03T14:22:29 < dongs> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/3kjqdb/naomi-wu-sexy-cyborg-profile-shenzhen-maker-scene start of shitshow
2018-04-03T14:22:37 < dongs> then read trannycyborg tweets
2018-04-03T14:22:51 < dongs> https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/ some drama in there
2018-04-03T14:22:55 < dongs> still trying to figure out who doxed who
2018-04-03T14:23:03 < dongs> the best news is the gaytreon is gone (no idea why)
2018-04-03T14:23:37 < jadew> wtf
2018-04-03T14:23:42 < jadew> is that a tranny?
2018-04-03T14:24:28 < jadew> pfew... not a tranny
2018-04-03T14:25:24 < jadew> that's a long read
2018-04-03T14:26:03 < dongs> don't
2018-04-03T14:30:36 < dongs> k the article is boring as fuck
2018-04-03T14:34:59 < jpa-> so a person who wants a lot of publicity does some controversial tweets to get more publicity?
2018-04-03T14:38:53 < Haohmaru> that's so unseen before
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2018-04-03T14:43:42 < dongs> Could you fight with your clothes on though? Because the message you're sending is that to get noticed as a female maker you need to be a scantily clad drama queen who sponges up so much attention for herself that I doubt many people in this thread could name another female maker except for you, without looking it up or reading the article.
2018-04-03T14:43:48 < dongs> ahahahaha
2018-04-03T14:43:50 < dongs> so.fucking.true.
2018-04-03T14:45:15 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axE-AUIrtLs&t=9m23s this is literally just gross.
2018-04-03T14:47:01 < jpa-> it's just rule 34 applied to makers
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2018-04-03T16:08:17 < dongs> Laurence/b/ would probably enjoy this
2018-04-03T16:35:17 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATsIdNJ4pMc&lc=UgzxZL6YeNXZS6jzK3h4AaABAg posted my thoughts (might need to quickly pause and scroll below the video to see comment
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2018-04-03T16:38:36 < englishman> doesnt show
2018-04-03T16:38:58 < dongs> it should be shown as "highlighted comment"
2018-04-03T16:39:04 < dongs> unless the cunt has comment moderation or or somethign
2018-04-03T16:39:12 < englishman> neg
2018-04-03T16:39:12 < englishman> yes
2018-04-03T16:39:16 < dongs> yeah it doesn
2018-04-03T16:39:16 < dongs> fuck
2018-04-03T16:39:18 < englishman> why would you think otherwise
2018-04-03T16:39:31 < englishman> this type of person can only exist in a circlejerk echo chamber
2018-04-03T16:39:42 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/ny7y69i.png
2018-04-03T16:41:08 < kakimir> proper
2018-04-03T16:41:14 < Haohmaru> not enough mistyped words
2018-04-03T16:41:16 < Haohmaru> booo
2018-04-03T16:41:28 < Haohmaru> do it better
2018-04-03T16:43:05 < kakimir> tech sluts
2018-04-03T16:43:16 < kakimir> oh.. "tech"
2018-04-03T16:44:12 < englishman> skimmed that way-too-long vice article
2018-04-03T16:44:25 < englishman> didnt see any drama in it except some whining that the article *might* be bad?
2018-04-03T16:44:33 < dongs> yea no idea
2018-04-03T16:44:51 < dongs> apparently mentioning that she's over 30 and married to some white guy or maybe married to some white guy was not supposed to happen
2018-04-03T16:45:12 < dongs> because that really fucking matters when you stick your tits into every fuckign camera on the way
2018-04-03T16:45:19 < englishman> cant wait for the 9000-word vice exposé on world famous make:r and gnaa president timecop
2018-04-03T16:46:02 < dongs> her husband must be a real cuck for letting her whore herself out for some random youtrube hits lol
2018-04-03T16:46:36 < englishman> if she got help from a real pro wouldnt that result in more than just maker shit
2018-04-03T16:46:57 < dongs> therefore rendering teh whole channel useless?
2018-04-03T16:47:10 < englishman> as opposed to like
2018-04-03T16:47:10 < englishman> https://learn.adafruit.com/sino-bit-with-arduino/dastels-overview
2018-04-03T16:47:19 < englishman> it says right in there its a clone of something
2018-04-03T16:47:38 < dongs> . It is based on the Calliope miniwith permission of the Calliope mini project.
2018-04-03T16:47:39 < dongs> haha
2018-04-03T16:48:05 < dongs> The sino:bit was created by Naomi Wu, an Open Source Hardware evangelist and DIY enthusiast. It was executed and engineered by Elecrow Technology, a Shenzhen based electronics company that offers contract manufacturing and engineering services to Maker and Hardware Enthusiasts.
2018-04-03T16:48:09 < dongs> >engineered and executed
2018-04-03T16:48:22 < dongs> so bascially wu just stuck tits into elecrow office and said "please engineer this for me"
2018-04-03T16:48:29 < englishman> https://www.elecrow.com/sino-bit-v1-0.html
2018-04-03T16:48:47 < dongs> expensive arduino
2018-04-03T16:48:56 < englishman> or ask engineer husband to route it in altidumb in an afternoon
2018-04-03T16:49:07 < englishman> actually
2018-04-03T16:49:10 < englishman> that looks autorouted
2018-04-03T16:49:21 < englishman> hmm no
2018-04-03T16:49:21 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTXUg8LV4AEQKe1?format=jpg&name=small this looks like eagle
2018-04-03T16:49:24 < englishman> but it's igly
2018-04-03T16:49:24 < dongs> nah its manual
2018-04-03T16:49:25 < dongs> just eagle
2018-04-03T16:49:28 < englishman> yes
2018-04-03T16:53:22 < dongs> wtf
2018-04-03T16:53:30 < dongs> there's some feescale SWD thing on there
2018-04-03T16:54:06 < dongs> 1 google hit for that part#
2018-04-03T16:54:14 < dongs> Partlist exported from /home/cmaier/eagle/sinobit/sinobit.sch at 05.11.17 18:23
2018-04-03T16:54:16 < dongs> who is cmaier
2018-04-03T16:55:11 < dongs> https://github.com/cmaier
2018-04-03T16:55:17 < Haohmaru> the left tit
2018-04-03T16:55:23 < Haohmaru> ehm, oops
2018-04-03T16:57:31 < Thorn> new hit: Fake Plastic Tits by Radiohead
2018-04-03T16:58:10 < englishman> nice
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2018-04-03T17:01:50 < Steffanx> Dongs: i noticed you participate in non-##stm32 related talk. Better take it to ohsix. Yadieyadieya.
2018-04-03T17:02:09 < Steffanx> Whatever your auto-text is.
2018-04-03T17:02:23 < dongs> Steffanx, listen. I'm quite disgusted by your non-apology and fakery. I have removed you from all my social contacts. Your naivete is not worth my time. There are a lot of better tech experts out there, experts that surely pay more attention about diversity than YOU DO.
2018-04-03T17:02:59 < Haohmaru> heart=>broken
2018-04-03T17:03:19 < Steffanx> Oh, you have more fancy texts :D
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2018-04-03T17:03:49 < Steffanx> Too bad the text implies something about social contacts :P
2018-04-03T17:05:08 < dongs> ^_-
2018-04-03T17:05:18 < dongs> was that holtek led thing really the best choice for that board
2018-04-03T17:05:23 < dongs> it must be really cheap tho
2018-04-03T17:05:45 < dongs> of course the first hit for datasheet is fucking aidsfruit
2018-04-03T17:05:50 < dongs> bitch probly sells it for $5.99
2018-04-03T17:05:56 < dongs> and buys for $0.19
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2018-04-03T17:57:06 < Steffanx> englishman, upgrdman hates you. Can you make him unhate you?
2018-04-03T18:09:58 < kakimir> why? and why?
2018-04-03T18:15:51 < kakimir> is Steffanx stirring stuff now
2018-04-03T18:16:16 < kakimir> next ##stm32 drama incoming
2018-04-03T18:16:53 < Haohmaru> there seems to be some some dense drama tension in here
2018-04-03T18:19:54 < Steffanx> Englishguy banned upgrdguy, kakiguy.
2018-04-03T18:20:12 < Haohmaru> hahaha
2018-04-03T18:20:34 < karlp> for what?
2018-04-03T18:20:50 < Steffanx> Idk
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2018-04-03T18:48:45 < kakimir> Buth aren't they total sweethearts both?
2018-04-03T18:50:00 < kakimir> makes no sense
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2018-04-03T18:57:07 < kakimir> but if englishguy bans someone it must be for a reason
2018-04-03T18:57:23 < kakimir> me go home>
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2018-04-03T19:34:12 < jadew> https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=sVCHw_1522487202
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2018-04-03T19:36:15 < kakimir> well
2018-04-03T19:36:18 < kakimir> good show
2018-04-03T19:36:32 < kakimir> that guy in total immersion
2018-04-03T19:37:51 < karlp> checkout this pcie cuteness: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/turris-mox-modular-open-source-router-security-computers#/
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2018-04-03T19:38:34 < rajkosto> why is there an image of people eating triangle sandwiches
2018-04-03T19:39:44 < rajkosto> oretty sure pci-e doesnt chain like that, theyre just reusing the connector
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2018-04-03T19:40:55 < karlp> it's just a rotation vs the normal slots rising vertically,
2018-04-03T19:41:07 < karlp> just means you have to give up space on each card
2018-04-03T19:41:10 < englishman> wtf
2018-04-03T19:41:18 < englishman> https://www.amazon.com/Dual-band-Wireless-AiProtection-Compatible-RT-AC68U/dp/B00FB45SI4
2018-04-03T19:41:28 < englishman> this has way more shit, has existed for years and is less money
2018-04-03T19:41:29 < karlp> but yes,someone else said they're serdes links, not pcie
2018-04-03T19:41:30 < englishman> what am i missing
2018-04-03T19:41:39 < rajkosto> englishman, its not on indiegogo
2018-04-03T19:41:46 < englishman> feature, not but
2018-04-03T19:41:47 < englishman> g
2018-04-03T19:41:48 < englishman> bug
2018-04-03T19:41:56 < rajkosto> it doesnt have useless modularity feature
2018-04-03T19:41:57 < karlp> not enough czech freedom inside
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2018-04-03T19:42:13 < rajkosto> also mPCI-e slot is really good
2018-04-03T19:42:25 < englishman> yeah thats pretty neat
2018-04-03T19:42:26 < rajkosto> you would need to use "professional" routers to get those otherwise
2018-04-03T19:42:33 < englishman> those ucox modems are super cool
2018-04-03T19:43:05 < englishman> but there are already pocket routers that will take globosims
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2018-04-03T20:34:19 < psprint> Guys do you know something on allowing ITM debug prints? I did multiple approaches but no success, board is nucleo 144 F767ZI6
2018-04-03T20:36:50 < kakimir> is there substance to remove thick lacker cover from PCB
2018-04-03T20:36:52 < kakimir> ?
2018-04-03T20:40:53 < karlp> "allowing" ?
2018-04-03T20:41:03 < karlp> you'll need to be more specific.
2018-04-03T20:43:28 < BrainDamage> kakimir: dichloromethane
2018-04-03T20:44:15 < kakimir> can't get that stuff here
2018-04-03T20:44:21 < kakimir> hmm
2018-04-03T20:44:28 < kakimir> sucks ass
2018-04-03T20:44:41 < kakimir> I have tried to buy that earlier
2018-04-03T20:44:53 < BrainDamage> try for some quick acting car paint stripper, they won't be as good as the real dcm
2018-04-03T20:45:10 < kakimir> I have that Nitro.. whatever brand
2018-04-03T20:46:56 < BrainDamage> nitrometane? that's rocket / ice fuel :P
2018-04-03T20:47:09 < kakimir> nitromors
2018-04-03T20:47:42 < BrainDamage> ( it's also a solvent, but not sure it'll work )
2018-04-03T20:48:02 < kakimir> it used to be dichloromethane
2018-04-03T20:48:10 < kakimir> according to: internets
2018-04-03T20:48:26 < psprint> karlp: I would have to dig out the itm_print project that I did and tested things, now I'm working on something else and would want ITM, but I'll just ask, did you have to configure jumpers for ITM?
2018-04-03T20:48:28 < BrainDamage> there should be written on the label
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2018-04-03T20:48:52 < kakimir> BrainDamage, dichloromethane is banned
2018-04-03T20:49:44 < BrainDamage> kakimir: dcm is banned as paint stripper, not banned completely
2018-04-03T20:49:56 < kakimir> well yes
2018-04-03T20:50:15 < kakimir> there is way to get everything
2018-04-03T20:55:06 < Streaker> kakimir: you can't remove solder mask from a PCB.
2018-04-03T20:56:31 < BrainDamage> wat
2018-04-03T20:57:07 < Streaker> It's something like epoxy. It's UV cured and does not dissolve in any solvent.
2018-04-03T20:57:19 < aandrew> dcm
2018-04-03T20:57:24 < aandrew> why is that familiar
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2018-04-03T20:57:51 < BrainDamage> except there's commercially sold solder mask strippers, they just cost a crapload
2018-04-03T20:58:08 < BrainDamage> just because it's polymerized by uv it doesn't mean it can't be dissolved
2018-04-03T20:58:53 < BrainDamage> eg https://www.rbpchemical.com/product/solder-mask-remover/
2018-04-03T20:59:17 < aandrew> I've never been able to dissolve soldermask
2018-04-03T20:59:23 < aandrew> it's always been abrasion
2018-04-03T20:59:34 < BrainDamage> yes, abrasion is also what i use
2018-04-03T20:59:45 < kakimir> Streaker, thanks for info
2018-04-03T20:59:52 < aandrew> tried to use a bunch of different paint strippers but polyerized shit is pretty resilient
2018-04-03T20:59:54 < kakimir> it's not what im removing
2018-04-03T21:00:13 < aandrew> I have a little fiberglass "pen" for doing it more gently but must times I just say fuck it and scrape with a knife blade
2018-04-03T21:00:14 < kakimir> I have soaked some of my pcbs days in acetone
2018-04-03T21:00:16 < kakimir> without nothing
2018-04-03T21:00:36 < BrainDamage> actetone won't do a thing to it
2018-04-03T21:00:41 < englishman> where the hell are all the mini-displayport connectors on digikey
2018-04-03T21:01:15 < BrainDamage> kakimir: i just use an abrasive head on a flexible extension for my dremel
2018-04-03T21:01:26 < Streaker> BrainDamage: any idea what solvent they use? (If it is a solvent.)
2018-04-03T21:03:28 < Streaker> I'm guessing it's not a solvent. Maybe a corrosive.
2018-04-03T21:05:04 < BrainDamage> mm, skimming the instruction sheet it seems to be heavily alkaline
2018-04-03T21:05:09 < BrainDamage> so corrosive indeed
2018-04-03T21:05:36 < BrainDamage> hah, found the ingredients in the material datasheet
2018-04-03T21:06:11 < BrainDamage> ---------------------------------------
2018-04-03T21:06:11 < BrainDamage>  141-43-5    20-25%    Ethanolamine
2018-04-03T21:06:11 < BrainDamage> 1310-73-2    11-13%    Sodium hydroxide
2018-04-03T21:06:19 < BrainDamage> rest are inert diluents
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2018-04-03T21:30:51 < aandrew> naoh? that won't do nice things to the copper you're presumably trying to save
2018-04-03T21:35:06 < Streaker> Na is higher up than Cu. There should be no reaction.
2018-04-03T21:38:08 < Streaker> But I expect it will fuck up something or the other of the components on the PCB.
2018-04-03T21:39:05 < aandrew> sodium hydroxide won't corrode copper?
2018-04-03T21:40:03 < aandrew> huh, google agrees with you, TIL.
2018-04-03T21:40:42 < BrainDamage> it won't corrode metals in general, reactive metals like Al being a notable exception
2018-04-03T21:40:49 < BrainDamage> because it strips the passivation oxide layer
2018-04-03T21:41:17 < BrainDamage> ( which promptly reforms and gets re-corroded )
2018-04-03T21:41:52 < aandrew> my chemistry knowledge is at a grade 9 level
2018-04-03T21:41:59 < Streaker> I washed an aluminum container with caustic soda once.
2018-04-03T21:42:10 < aandrew> Streaker: now you have an aluminum tube? :-)
2018-04-03T21:42:10 < Streaker> *very* interesting experience
2018-04-03T21:42:12 < kakimir> to whoever recommended me panavice junior - much thanks
2018-04-03T21:42:27 < Streaker> I didn't know aluminum could foam.
2018-04-03T21:42:28 < aandrew> I bought a pcbite kit... wished I did that years ago
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2018-04-03T21:42:38 < aandrew> nice little kit
2018-04-03T21:42:43 < kakimir> aluminum foam is a thing
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2018-04-03T22:02:49 < kakimir> Millenial pumps - getting new electronics vice
2018-04-03T22:02:57 < kakimir> peak of the month
2018-04-03T22:04:47 < Steffanx> ?
2018-04-03T22:05:02 < kakimir> investments
2018-04-03T22:05:33 < kakimir> get 30eur worth of tools per month
2018-04-03T22:05:45 < kakimir> and about same to components and pcbs averaging
2018-04-03T22:06:01 < Steffanx> ok.
2018-04-03T22:06:27 < kakimir> I mean.. I have lost my perspective
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2018-04-03T22:07:52 < kakimir> when I do free delivery limit order from mouser I think I'm doing something
2018-04-03T22:08:28 < kakimir> meaning personal projects / learning / future
2018-04-03T22:08:33 < Steffanx> Munny has to be spend kakimir
2018-04-03T22:09:04 < kakimir> but seriously it's nothing when shiet is done those orders are done once a week
2018-04-03T22:14:32 < Steffanx> Im still not sure what you're trying to say kakimir.
2018-04-03T22:15:02 < jpa-> it would be quite weird to define whether "shit is done" by how often component orders are placed
2018-04-03T22:15:49 < jpa-> when doing stuff for money, components are typically ordered when they are needed and the amount that is needed, no matter whether it is over or below free delivery limit
2018-04-03T22:15:51 < Steffanx> oh, it's finlish? jpa- seems to understand :P
2018-04-03T22:16:17 < jpa-> no i don't think there is anything finglish about it
2018-04-03T22:16:39 < jpa-> i guess kakimir is just trying to explain why he has spent all his food money on components
2018-04-03T22:17:28 < BrainDamage> getting them minerals
2018-04-03T22:17:36 < Steffanx> but isnt all kakimir posts lately work related? Hence his boss pays for the "shiet"?
2018-04-03T22:18:20 < kakimir> <kakimir> meaning personal projects / learning / future
2018-04-03T22:18:22 < Steffanx> At least i hope his boss pays for it.
2018-04-03T22:20:05 < Steffanx> and that requires you to buy components every week kakimir?
2018-04-03T22:20:16 < Steffanx> Cant you go farnell or something, with free shipping
2018-04-03T22:21:42 < jpa-> well he goes mouser with free shipping..
2018-04-03T22:22:45 < Steffanx> Whatever. Such first world problems.
2018-04-03T22:23:58 < jpa-> it would be strange if he managed to have third world problems in finland
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2018-04-03T22:24:18 < Steffanx> he had those. I even shipped a food package to him.
2018-04-03T22:24:32 < qyx> waffel package?
2018-04-03T22:26:36 < englishman> drove a leaf
2018-04-03T22:26:38 < englishman> was ok
2018-04-03T22:26:46 < englishman> much less excited now
2018-04-03T22:27:07 < qyx> just a car, isn't it?
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2018-04-03T22:27:10 < Steffanx> haha, englishman.
2018-04-03T22:27:14 < Steffanx> and yes, qyx
2018-04-03T22:27:49 < englishman> it was nice
2018-04-03T22:27:51 < englishman> but yeah
2018-04-03T22:27:51 < englishman> meh
2018-04-03T22:27:54 < BrainDamage> did you ask for permission to practice handbrake turns?
2018-04-03T22:28:01 < englishman> no handbrake
2018-04-03T22:30:28 < Steffanx> That 4k off deal was over anyway right?
2018-04-03T22:30:58 < englishman> no that got renewed
2018-04-03T22:31:25 < englishman> anyway, 17.5k beaverbux for a top trim 2013 with 25Mm on it
2018-04-03T22:34:29 < Steffanx> In dutchland you would probably pay 17.5k euro for it.
2018-04-03T22:35:45 < rajkosto> is there really any difference referencing signals to GND vs 3V3 ?
2018-04-03T22:35:49 < rajkosto> for power planes
2018-04-03T22:37:55 < jpa-> 3.3V usually has a bit more noise, if you are eventually going to measure the signal against gnd
2018-04-03T22:38:14 < jpa-> and if switching from one reference plane to another, remember to have capacitor there
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2018-04-03T22:43:01 < englishman> http://m.nissan.ca/content/nissan/ca/en/connect/features-app/system-requirements/nissan-connect-payment-options.html#!
2018-04-03T22:43:06 < englishman> thats pretty dumb
2018-04-03T22:44:10 < BrainDamage> what do they use to relay it to car?
2018-04-03T22:44:14 < englishman> nav info
2018-04-03T22:44:28 < englishman> so i have to pay monthy for cell (2G on older cars)
2018-04-03T22:44:32 < englishman> and i still need to use my phone
2018-04-03T22:48:26 < englishman> https://www.troyhunt.com/controlling-vehicle-features-of-nissan/?m=1
2018-04-03T22:55:38 < Steffanx> It's a feature :)
2018-04-03T22:56:39 < Steffanx> So what are you working on kakimir? :)
2018-04-03T22:56:57 < kakimir> BMS
2018-04-03T22:57:09 < Steffanx> But that's work right?
2018-04-03T22:57:09 < kakimir> as kind of small project
2018-04-03T22:57:18 < kakimir> you mean my personal projects?
2018-04-03T22:57:22 < kakimir> or work projects?
2018-04-03T22:57:27 < Steffanx> i meant the "personal projects / learning / future"
2018-04-03T22:57:38 < kakimir> spot welder
2018-04-03T22:58:12 < Steffanx> Hmm, dont burn down your appartment or did you already go for an upgrade?
2018-04-03T22:58:56 < kakimir> after that 3phase triac controller needs to be completed, laurenceb adc data logger need ported and adjusted and probs it's no purpose to even thing further
2018-04-03T22:59:35 < kakimir> no I'm just building the controller board
2018-04-03T23:00:07 < Steffanx> Porting lb's adc data logger? WHYY
2018-04-03T23:00:53 < kakimir> idk
2018-04-03T23:00:58 < kakimir> probs better make my own
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2018-04-03T23:01:41 < BrainDamage> less whitespace
2018-04-03T23:01:45 < BrainDamage> more space efficient code
2018-04-03T23:22:16 < stvn> Cats
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2018-04-03T23:24:24 < Steffanx> What you need the logger for.. for spot welding, kakimir ?
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2018-04-03T23:31:39 < kakimir> everything
2018-04-03T23:38:04 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/TdBjxLvU/cat.PNG
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2018-04-03T23:50:58 < Steffanx> Iphone spotted.
2018-04-03T23:51:14 < Steffanx> Dont you know how to save an image, stvn?
2018-04-03T23:51:40 < stvn> Yeah muscles
2018-04-03T23:51:59 < stvn> What are you doing awake?
2018-04-03T23:52:07 < Steffanx> Its 22.52..
2018-04-03T23:52:16 < stvn> :D
2018-04-03T23:53:35 < stvn> Have you fed the dog?
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2018-04-03T23:54:56 < Steffanx> Yea. Shes asleep
2018-04-03T23:55:11 < stvn> 🐊
2018-04-03T23:55:57 < Steffanx> Crocodile clips?
2018-04-03T23:56:04 < Steffanx> The software.
2018-04-03T23:56:14 < stvn> 🍺🦆
2018-04-03T23:56:17 < stvn> No
2018-04-03T23:56:50 < stvn> I need a coffee
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2018-04-04T00:31:45 < Cracki> so... youtube HQ is getting shot up
2018-04-04T00:31:58 < Cracki> guess they suspended the wrong channel
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2018-04-04T00:42:54 < Steffanx> You fell asleep Thorn
2018-04-04T00:43:26 < Thorn> it was your fault Steffanx
2018-04-04T00:43:31 < Thorn> you promised to keep me awake
2018-04-04T00:43:40 < Thorn> I missed the launch all because of you
2018-04-04T00:43:50 < Steffanx> Hah.
2018-04-04T00:44:35 < kakimir> what is launching today?
2018-04-04T00:44:44 < kakimir> it seems there is always a launch
2018-04-04T00:46:31 < englishman> some copper plated projectiles are launching
2018-04-04T00:46:51 < englishman> female shooter apparently, didnt like mondays
2018-04-04T00:47:08 < stvn> Cracki: spot on
2018-04-04T00:47:49 < Cracki> wearing a headscarf, I'm reading
2018-04-04T00:48:05 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-04T00:48:08 < Cracki> must be one of those explosive assault nuns
2018-04-04T00:48:24 < stvn> lol
2018-04-04T00:48:36 < stvn> I’d wear maga
2018-04-04T00:48:46 < Cracki> wouldn't have happened if youtube had glass walls like facebook
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2018-04-04T00:49:21 < Cracki> no, wear hillary merch
2018-04-04T00:49:48 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-04T00:49:58 < Cracki> they put buckets of river stones in class rooms for the kids to throw at attackers...
2018-04-04T00:50:19 < Cracki> can't make this shit up
2018-04-04T00:50:42 < stvn> Junkies in the city
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2018-04-04T00:52:41 < stvn> Dunno why 7/11 is where they’re always ranting and raving
2018-04-04T00:53:39 < upgrdman> fpga pros: looks like lattice redesigned Diamond. looks kinda cool    http://files.latticesemi.com/finalVids/Choon_Radiant_EN.mp4
2018-04-04T00:54:09 < upgrdman> screenshots are half way through the video
2018-04-04T00:54:19 < Cracki> nice
2018-04-04T00:54:29 < upgrdman> looks pretty similar to Diamond, but a little more polished
2018-04-04T00:54:32 < stvn> Is it quicker to synthesis
2018-04-04T00:54:42 < upgrdman> lol prolly not
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2018-04-04T00:54:53  * stvn flushes the can
2018-04-04T00:54:54 < upgrdman> iirc the paid Synplify can use multiple cores
2018-04-04T00:55:05 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrqj88zQZJg I watch these to fall a sleep
2018-04-04T00:55:06 < stvn> Ah I see
2018-04-04T00:55:17 < Cracki> look at his hair, you see artefacts from the greenscreen removal
2018-04-04T00:55:28 < Thorn> radiant is only for 2 new chips
2018-04-04T00:55:28 < Steffanx> But does it support all fpgas yet, upgrdman
2018-04-04T00:55:30 < stvn> My fpga hobbyist friend would like multicore
2018-04-04T00:55:38 < Steffanx> Fuck that icecube2 crap
2018-04-04T00:55:40 < upgrdman> Cracki noticing the important things ;)
2018-04-04T00:55:50 < Cracki> I'm a video dude
2018-04-04T00:55:56 < upgrdman> Steffanx, dunno. literally just got their email about it
2018-04-04T00:55:57 < Cracki> (and computer vision)
2018-04-04T00:56:15 < stvn> He likes to make fpga amiga
2018-04-04T00:56:21 < BrainDamage> i haz full vivado and ise license
2018-04-04T00:56:31 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, thebuttpiratebay?
2018-04-04T00:56:36 < BrainDamage> nope
2018-04-04T00:56:45 < Steffanx> Lies.
2018-04-04T00:56:48 < stvn> He paid the piper
2018-04-04T00:56:58 < BrainDamage> neither, i got both free from a favour
2018-04-04T00:57:00 < stvn> Bet it’s cheaper than keil
2018-04-04T00:57:04 < Thorn> did you also buy genuine platform cable for $225
2018-04-04T00:57:12 < Steffanx> Does it run on your portable lunix desktop BrainDamage ?
2018-04-04T00:57:17 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-04T00:57:23 < stvn> The tricky question
2018-04-04T00:57:28 < stvn> Redhat
2018-04-04T00:57:37 < stvn> For lattice diamond
2018-04-04T00:57:44 < upgrdman> "Lattice Radiant software, supporting iCE40 UltraPlus, offers all the best in class tools and features to help users develop their Edge applications effectively and efficiently."
2018-04-04T00:57:48 < BrainDamage> the jtag costed me 100 bucks, not 200
2018-04-04T00:57:56 < upgrdman> ahh fuck, Steffanx, looks like ONLY ice40. gay.
2018-04-04T00:57:56 < stvn> I got it running on pedora
2018-04-04T00:58:07 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: ofc not, it's arm
2018-04-04T00:58:22 < Steffanx> I know
2018-04-04T00:58:42 < BrainDamage> unlike you guys i don't shitpost when i claim to have done x
2018-04-04T00:59:08 < stvn> Ty
2018-04-04T00:59:21 < BrainDamage> yw
2018-04-04T00:59:35 < Steffanx> I dont shitpost either when i claim to have done x.
2018-04-04T01:00:40 < stvn> I’ve done nothing today
2018-04-04T01:01:07 < Steffanx> Your today is young
2018-04-04T01:01:41 < stvn> Oh I got a coffee while a junkie was going crazy at 7/11
2018-04-04T01:02:12 < BrainDamage> it always feels weird to me when people mention those chains
2018-04-04T01:02:17 < BrainDamage> they are hardly present in italy
2018-04-04T01:02:23 < BrainDamage> we barely got the macca
2018-04-04T01:02:31 < BrainDamage> we don't even have starbucks
2018-04-04T01:02:36 < stvn> You get RCF
2018-04-04T01:03:05 < Steffanx> We have no 7/11. I had to google when stvn mentioned it the first time
2018-04-04T01:03:42 < stvn> I’ve never tried starcucks
2018-04-04T01:03:49 < stvn> I’ve seen them around
2018-04-04T01:04:04 < BrainDamage> we've all have seen laurenceb
2018-04-04T01:04:51 < Steffanx> Yes!
2018-04-04T01:05:26 < stvn> Steffan framed a picture of him
2018-04-04T01:06:29 < kakimir> Steffan did 9/11
2018-04-04T01:06:33 < Steffanx> Right
2018-04-04T01:06:42 < Steffanx> Im no jew
2018-04-04T01:06:57 < stvn> Lol at least he knows who really did it
2018-04-04T01:07:45 < BrainDamage> the 9/11 meme ceases to be funny when you idle in a channel with someone who legitimately believes in it
2018-04-04T01:08:01 < BrainDamage> holy fuck i want to burn that guy with a flamethrower
2018-04-04T01:08:09 < stvn> Yeah
2018-04-04T01:08:37 < Cracki> wat
2018-04-04T01:09:21 < Cracki> it was not the lizards?
2018-04-04T01:10:04 < BrainDamage> pretty sure we didn't do it
2018-04-04T01:10:05 < stvn> No the bears
2018-04-04T01:10:07 < BrainDamage> oops
2018-04-04T01:10:17 < BrainDamage> no, i mean, the lizards didn't do it
2018-04-04T01:10:22 < stvn> Probably Australia
2018-04-04T01:10:23 < BrainDamage> the lizards don't even exist
2018-04-04T01:11:41 < Cracki> :^)
2018-04-04T01:11:58 < stvn> PRO32
2018-04-04T01:12:32 < kakimir> ##lizards32
2018-04-04T01:12:49 < stvn> nah
2018-04-04T01:13:01 < stvn> LED32
2018-04-04T01:13:13 < Cracki> where would I look for the lizard ethnostate?
2018-04-04T01:13:27 < Cracki> they must have something like wakanda, no?
2018-04-04T01:13:49 < stvn> I can’t understand your sperging
2018-04-04T01:14:10 < BrainDamage> i think it's codeword for wanting a big black cock
2018-04-04T01:14:18 < stvn> I see
2018-04-04T01:16:24 < BrainDamage> kakimir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7bzE1E5PMY
2018-04-04T01:16:36 < BrainDamage> there you go, 100% correct and perfect to fall asleep
2018-04-04T01:16:41 < BrainDamage> synthetized voice included
2018-04-04T01:17:01 < kakimir> synthetized hypnosis puts me in sleep
2018-04-04T01:18:09 < Steffanx> Hedde drugs op?
2018-04-04T01:20:14 < kakimir> lääkkeet?
2018-04-04T01:20:27 < kakimir> lääkkeet = take your meds?
2018-04-04T01:20:51 < kakimir> *lääkkeet?
2018-04-04T01:21:15 < BrainDamage> I'm bored with lack of inspiration, throw me a weird female name fit for a queen, the more haughty it sounds the better is
2018-04-04T01:22:53 < Ultrasauce> what species
2018-04-04T01:23:52 < kakimir> hmm.. indeed
2018-04-04T01:25:24 < Cracki> how about Margaret of Anjou
2018-04-04T01:26:26 < kakimir> what are you doing BrainDamage?
2018-04-04T01:26:55 < BrainDamage> finishing writing another chapter
2018-04-04T01:28:30 < stvn> What if I lose my iPod
2018-04-04T01:28:36 < kakimir> I need an option for my android clock
2018-04-04T01:28:56 < BrainDamage> stvn: upgrade from iPod to TidePod
2018-04-04T01:29:01 < kakimir> "turn alarm attack on"
2018-04-04T01:29:34 < kakimir> just carpet bomb the whole early morning with alarms
2018-04-04T01:29:41 < kakimir> with a push of button
2018-04-04T01:30:01 < BrainDamage> you can set multiple alarms with coprime offsets
2018-04-04T01:31:33 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4u1tL1MmoA straya is #future
2018-04-04T01:31:47 < kakimir> really simple and actually production system I think
2018-04-04T01:33:16 < kakimir> hmm
2018-04-04T01:33:20 < kakimir> offsets
2018-04-04T01:33:33 < BrainDamage> so they reinvented the railway lines
2018-04-04T01:33:34 < kakimir> but you need timers that you need to individually turn off
2018-04-04T01:33:45 < BrainDamage> with none of the advantages of the railways
2018-04-04T01:34:03 < kakimir> city bus is cheap
2018-04-04T01:34:11 < kakimir> and it can go anywhere after that
2018-04-04T01:43:35 < kakimir> jesus
2018-04-04T01:43:42 < kakimir> did an mistake
2018-04-04T01:44:15 < kakimir> didn't use adb.exe push but that file transfer protocol thing integrated to explorer
2018-04-04T01:44:39 < kakimir> thing that should take half an hour takes.. 6hours
2018-04-04T01:47:28 < BrainDamage> go to sleep while it runs
2018-04-04T01:48:31 < Ultrasauce> yeah I never touch MTP anymore
2018-04-04T01:49:59 < BrainDamage> yes, mtp is a shitshow, no idea why the went with it
2018-04-04T01:50:15 < kakimir> adb.exe running now
2018-04-04T01:51:18 < kakimir> jeez
2018-04-04T01:51:23 < kakimir> it's at least 10times faster
2018-04-04T01:51:26 < kakimir> files are flying
2018-04-04T01:52:42 < kakimir> it's approximatelly 10times faster
2018-04-04T01:58:55 < kakimir> yes.. it's already done
2018-04-04T02:49:03 < upgrdman> is dekar the only other stm32'er that is regularly in china?
2018-04-04T02:51:56 < Rob235> someone make me pcbs :(
2018-04-04T02:51:57 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/YyEDg
2018-04-04T02:52:36 < BrainDamage> start by using thinner wires
2018-04-04T02:53:13 < BrainDamage> you can melt kynar wire's plastic with the iron
2018-04-04T02:53:26 < BrainDamage> wrap it around the post, add a big blob of solder and done
2018-04-04T02:55:17 < Rob235> the soldering itself was fine, just planning out the wires was annoying, id rather spend time staring a pc screen doing it than physically doing it
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2018-04-04T02:57:57 < Cracki> Rob235, play with easyeda
2018-04-04T02:58:29 < Rob235> next project i'll try some etching, this one is about done soldering wise
2018-04-04T02:59:17 < Rob235> maybe I can even edit this project to help me etch :)
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2018-04-04T03:01:21 < BrainDamage> dyi etching is just not worth when china can give you 10 pcb for 10$
2018-04-04T03:01:25 < Rob235> I'm gonna douse the bottom in hot glue, those wires best not be getting any funny ideas
2018-04-04T03:01:52 < Rob235> yea maybe, I think id still like to try it at some point for shits and giggles
2018-04-04T03:02:35 < BrainDamage> in that case, laminate-on is way less fiddly than photolitography in my experience
2018-04-04T03:02:55 < BrainDamage> with only slightly less precision
2018-04-04T03:04:14 < Rob235> i'll do more research on that when the time comes, I gotta get back to soldering the second board so I can get these steppers dancing
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2018-04-04T05:03:34 < dongs> http://archive.is/GE0he attn englishman much better read than vice article
2018-04-04T05:05:59 < englishman> lol
2018-04-04T05:14:44 < dongs> holy shit that funnyjunk link in comments
2018-04-04T05:16:48 < dongs> http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/lawyers-stumped-over-new-gender-and-identity-provisions-for-environmental-impact-assessments meanwhile in canada
2018-04-04T05:17:15 < englishman> yeah thats why i switched to french
2018-04-04T05:17:22 < englishman> 2 and only 2 genders
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2018-04-04T05:31:06 < dongs> The only chineese thing here is the fake part of these boobs. haha
2018-04-04T05:36:04 < englishman> doing a quote for a major maple syrup equipment supplier
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2018-04-04T09:03:48 < kakimir> hmm.. vegans with blood lust
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2018-04-04T10:27:37 < stvn> Pumping thread
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2018-04-04T10:51:47 < kakimir> super pump
2018-04-04T11:13:32 < stvn> Sixty thousand volts of black power!!
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2018-04-04T11:19:46 < dongs> be nice
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2018-04-04T11:34:00 < Steffanx> Lol.
2018-04-04T11:34:45 < stvn> Yeah Steffanx
2018-04-04T12:09:27 < invzim> damn, lcsc.com has gotten a lot better lately
2018-04-04T12:10:06 < invzim> may very well be my goto site to get stuff instead of ali
2018-04-04T12:21:45 < stvn> Ahhhh right....
2018-04-04T12:23:58 < stvn> Thanks though
2018-04-04T12:24:30 < stvn> I’m not buying Panasonic resistors so it’s all the same at the lower price bracket yeah
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2018-04-04T12:51:02 < karlp> Streaker: the more interesting thing to do with aluminium and naoh is to put in in a coke bottle and light the top of it :)
2018-04-04T12:51:28 < karlp> (or, just screw the cap on and get a rather nasty naoh bomb)
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2018-04-04T12:59:26 < psprint> Guys I've generated (CubeMX) usart code for usart1 and usart3, to configure 9600 uart serial console, I invoke HAL_UART_Transmit(&huart3, "Hello\n", 6, 0xFFFF); and see nothing in terminal, firmware provided example works. What can be wrong?
2018-04-04T12:59:53 < psprint> tried two times once with usart1 once with usart3
2018-04-04T13:00:47 < psprint> could freertos do something?
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2018-04-04T13:39:48 < fest> psprint, you did add the code in default task, not in main.c?
2018-04-04T13:41:27 < psprint> fest:   MX_USART2_UART_Init(); is in main(), HAL_UART_Transmit – tried in main() and in StartDefaultTask()
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2018-04-04T13:50:38 < psprint> Here is my code: https://community.st.com/message/192397-cannot-get-usart-printf-working-with-freertos-lwip
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2018-04-04T14:05:55 < catphish> this is interesting: "Configuring ADC1_IN5 in differential input mode will make ADC12_IN6 not usable: in that case, the channels 6 of both ADC1 and ADC2 must never be converted."
2018-04-04T14:06:03 < catphish> i wonder how strict this rule is
2018-04-04T14:07:47 < catphish> i was hoping to try using ADC123_IN2 as both VINN1 and VINP2
2018-04-04T14:12:38 < catphish> do the gods really forbid this? https://i.imgur.com/5HlVDUB.jpg (where each input is a current sensor biased at 50% analog supply voltage)
2018-04-04T14:13:05 < catphish> i can do single ended measurements, but differential seemed like it might be better
2018-04-04T14:15:26 < qyx> see adc input connection diagram in the reference manual
2018-04-04T14:15:41 < qyx> I don't remmeber exactly
2018-04-04T14:17:15 < catphish> the diagram suggests it might work, but the documentation says it won't: https://imgur.com/a/hMYf6
2018-04-04T14:19:08 < catphish> so ideally i'd do 3 conversions: IN1 differential, IN2 differential, IN3 differential
2018-04-04T14:19:59 < catphish> there may be a good reason this isn't allowed, and the device may refuse to permit it, maybe i should just test it
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2018-04-04T14:31:14 < Laurenceb__> sup trolls
2018-04-04T14:32:50 < catphish> g'day
2018-04-04T14:34:53 < Laurenceb__>  >ywlts female muslim vegans shoot up youtube
2018-04-04T14:34:56 < con3> hmmm....using a nucleo f722ze and the damn gpio D9 stays high even with a blank project
2018-04-04T14:34:59 < Laurenceb__> my sides are in orbit
2018-04-04T14:35:35 < con3> ah usart
2018-04-04T14:35:52 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/c8956637a9/101308.jpg
2018-04-04T14:37:29 < zyp> Laurenceb__, did you see the videos?
2018-04-04T14:37:37 < Laurenceb__> no
2018-04-04T14:37:39 < con3> nope
2018-04-04T14:37:43 < Laurenceb__> this sounds lulzy
2018-04-04T14:38:06 < zyp> they look totally ridiculous, so I think you'd enjoy them
2018-04-04T14:39:00 < Laurenceb__> https://kek.gg/i/52RLWS.png
2018-04-04T14:39:04 < Laurenceb__> fapfapfap
2018-04-04T14:41:01 < sync> catphish: we found differential not to be neded
2018-04-04T14:41:12 < sync> ~needed
2018-04-04T14:41:35 < sync> the only condition you cannot sense with single ended lowside shunts is a short in the wire to ground
2018-04-04T14:41:53 < catphish> sync: thanks, as you know i'm a little torn on how to configure these current sensors, the options are 2 phases, single ended, 3 phases single ended, or 3 phases with differential between each pair
2018-04-04T14:42:28 < catphish> it's interesting you say that, because i couldn't think of a way to take the necessary measurements using low side only
2018-04-04T14:42:29 < Laurenceb__> wew she is the female elliot rodgers
2018-04-04T14:44:48 < catphish> for example, if i measure 1A in phase 1 low side (ie -1A in that phase), and 0A in phase 2, and 0A in phase 3, i have no way of knowing all 3 phase currents, it could be -1, 1, 0 but it could just as easily be -1, 0.5, 0.5
2018-04-04T14:47:08 < catphish> sync: i suspect what i'll do is just connect the 3 sensors to IN1 IN2 and IN3 single ended inputs, then i have all the flexibility to try the different configurations anyway, if anyone can tell me how to do it with low side shunts only i'd be very interested
2018-04-04T14:47:20 < Laurenceb__> irl lolling
2018-04-04T14:47:28 < dongs> where the fuck is the view options shit in new alltidumb
2018-04-04T14:47:28 < Laurenceb__> these videos are brilliant
2018-04-04T14:47:43 < dongs> to show/hide stuff
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2018-04-04T15:06:50 < dongs> damn fuck it needs several clicks now
2018-04-04T15:07:54 < Laurenceb__> oh wow the memes
2018-04-04T15:08:02 < Laurenceb__> this is more memetic then elliot
2018-04-04T15:14:46 < Laurenceb__> sheet she reminds me of Russian grrrl
2018-04-04T15:14:59 < Laurenceb__> about as crazy
2018-04-04T15:15:11 < dongs> you talkin about the new brian w u clone?
2018-04-04T15:15:23 < dongs> with fake chinese tits
2018-04-04T15:17:19 < Laurenceb__> lulyes
2018-04-04T15:17:27 < Laurenceb__> I think its actually a grrrl
2018-04-04T15:17:35 < Laurenceb__> 4chan have babby photos
2018-04-04T15:22:43 < Laurenceb__> lul Russian grrls phd thesis just got rejected
2018-04-04T15:22:47 < Laurenceb__> she is raging
2018-04-04T15:23:03 < Laurenceb__> I should tell her to shoot something up
2018-04-04T15:23:47 < sync> why was it rejected?
2018-04-04T15:24:34 < Laurenceb__> poor quality experimental work
2018-04-04T15:24:44 < qyx> not enough matlab?
2018-04-04T15:25:00 < Laurenceb__> photos printed out and measured with a ruler, then data processed... somehow and shitty plots
2018-04-04T15:25:06 < Laurenceb__> yeah literally not enough matlab
2018-04-04T15:25:40 < Laurenceb__> it was on fatigue and crack growth in mems alloy parts
2018-04-04T15:26:04 < qyx> how could that be measured by a ruler?
2018-04-04T15:26:08 < Laurenceb__> I think she has gone to bargain booze lol
2018-04-04T15:26:30 < Laurenceb__> >print out photos with reference object in frame
2018-04-04T15:26:38 < Laurenceb__> >get ruler, measure it
2018-04-04T15:26:55 < karlp> totally valid, been done for years
2018-04-04T15:27:03 < Laurenceb__>  "work out" some shit to do with crack growth on paper
2018-04-04T15:27:12 < Laurenceb__> then poorly plot some data
2018-04-04T15:27:24 < Laurenceb__> yeah but you have to explain what you are doing
2018-04-04T15:27:39 < Laurenceb__> also with complex cracks its all too subjective
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2018-04-04T15:43:46 < dongs> lol
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2018-04-04T16:09:16 < englishman> no big loss
2018-04-04T16:09:32 < englishman> dongs check pm for context. because im not dumb enough to post that shit in channel
2018-04-04T16:09:54 < dongs> saw, looks like michale jackson
2018-04-04T16:10:21 < dongs> oh thats what laurence./b/ was about
2018-04-04T16:10:23 < dongs> ok whatever
2018-04-04T16:11:25 < dongs> does solidworks save user metadata in the .sldprt/asm files?
2018-04-04T16:11:44 < dongs> See if Mr. Wu is using pirated solidcocks
2018-04-04T16:29:20 < dongs> haha
2018-04-04T16:29:26 < dongs> this one jap company keeps submitting us DXF files to make Pcbs
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2018-04-04T16:29:35 < dongs> its like +$200 per model to convert it to gerber
2018-04-04T16:29:41 < dongs> they've done it liek 4 times
2018-04-04T16:29:46 < englishman> nice
2018-04-04T16:29:52 < dongs> and
2018-04-04T16:30:08 < dongs> im thinking, for that price they could have fucking paid someone to make a proper schematic/pcbn
2018-04-04T16:30:14 < dongs> so they wouldnt haev to dick with useless shit
2018-04-04T16:30:21 < englishman> I bet they are using 1206 resistors too right
2018-04-04T16:30:29 < dongs> more like through hole resistors brop
2018-04-04T16:30:37 < englishman> wow, japs
2018-04-04T16:30:48 < dongs> so my pal says why they keep doing:
2018-04-04T16:31:11 < dongs> "probably they accidentally used eagle cad and have decided not to touch pcb related software at all and thining using DXF cad + pay wahtever to avoid aids is way better for their life"
2018-04-04T16:31:44 < englishman> so drawing PCBs in freecad now
2018-04-04T16:31:55 < dongs> it has to be some jap cad
2018-04-04T16:32:00 < dongs> cuz layer naming is all fucked etc
2018-04-04T16:32:27 < dongs> dont think freecad supports jap
2018-04-04T16:33:03 < catphish> englishman: i use 1206 for everything? am i a bad person?
2018-04-04T16:33:35 < englishman> not a bit
2018-04-04T16:36:45 < dongs> brian wu doesnt actualyl use shithub with git
2018-04-04T16:36:49 < dongs> just uploads files via webform
2018-04-04T16:37:42 < qyx> is he a bad person?
2018-04-04T16:37:46 < dongs> yes
2018-04-04T16:39:28 < dongs> After over a year of intense testing, I believe that VyprVPN is definitely a quality option for China.
2018-04-04T16:39:31 < dongs> nice
2018-04-04T16:39:34 < dongs> glad to see i'm paying for something useful
2018-04-04T16:40:36 < qyx> now you are being exposed to a dangerous world full of capitalism
2018-04-04T16:40:49 < catphish> a while back, someone sent me a link to their code that sets up DMA for ADC, any chance you could send it me again? i probably want to use it soon, forgot to bookmark
2018-04-04T16:41:03 < dongs> on F1? or what
2018-04-04T16:41:07 < dongs> tho i guess its all same
2018-04-04T16:41:26 < dongs> https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/master/src/drv_adc.c thats a pretty simple one
2018-04-04T16:43:08 < dongs> VyprVPN Cons:
2018-04-04T16:43:13 < dongs>  At present, they do not offer the ability to pay with Bitcoin or any other anonymous form of payment.
2018-04-04T16:43:16 < dongs> lol
2018-04-04T16:43:20 < dongs> no thats not a con you stupid fuck
2018-04-04T16:44:00 < qyx> also for F3 using libopencm3 https://github.com/iqyx/kiwi-basic/blob/master/fw/sampler.c
2018-04-04T16:46:40 < aandrew> dongs: apparently there's a colour scheme file for new alitum that brings back old altium
2018-04-04T16:46:45 < dongs> of course
2018-04-04T16:46:53 < dongs> but there's one in newest release as well
2018-04-04T16:46:58 < catphish> dongs: thanks, it's an L4, that looks like it's using the HAL? it was the raw code i was after, thanks anyway
2018-04-04T16:46:59 < dongs> a real one from altidumb  trhemselves
2018-04-04T16:47:09 < dongs> using stdperiph
2018-04-04T16:47:18 < aandrew> lol dxf pcb files
2018-04-04T16:47:20 < aandrew> I've seen that before
2018-04-04T16:47:24 < Thorn> running spartan-6 with Vccint=2.4V (if not more): achievement unlocked
2018-04-04T16:47:29 < aandrew> i've also seen people do schematic entry in autocad
2018-04-04T16:47:35 < catphish> there's certainly some useful info there anyway, even if i have to translate from HAL to raw calls, the actions will be similar
2018-04-04T16:48:40 < aandrew> heh I need to do dma adc as well, but use hal because I'm pro
2018-04-04T16:49:00 < aandrew> it's easy to go through the HAL calls to see what they're doing to set it up
2018-04-04T16:49:06 < aandrew> there's a lot of crap in there that can be stripped out
2018-04-04T16:54:32 < catphish> thought i'd try interleaving sampled into a ring buffer
2018-04-04T16:54:36 < catphish> *samples
2018-04-04T16:55:56 < catphish> one feature i'd have enjoyed but doesn't exist (because the ADC doesn't have any memory for it) would be hardware interleaved oversampling
2018-04-04T16:56:15 < qyx> what does interleaved sampling mean
2018-04-04T16:56:34 < qyx> uh, oversampling?
2018-04-04T16:56:45 < catphish> by interleaving, i mean reading multiple inputs in a sequence
2018-04-04T16:57:04 < qyx> of course it is supported
2018-04-04T16:57:12 < catphish> so the resulting array looks like [input1, input2, input3, input1, input2, input3, etc]
2018-04-04T16:57:55 < qyx> have you read the adc section in the reference manual?
2018-04-04T16:57:56 < catphish> but with 8x oversampling, it'll do 8 samples from input1, then 8 samples from input2, then 8 samples from input 3
2018-04-04T16:57:59 < catphish> i have
2018-04-04T16:58:21 < catphish> there's no way to have it read them in sequence 8 times, then sum the result (as far as i could see)
2018-04-04T16:58:56 < tpw_rules> really? i was deep into the stuff a month ago and i thought it could
2018-04-04T16:59:16 < catphish> that's interesting, perhaps i missed something, but afaik it only has one "sum" buffer
2018-04-04T16:59:19 < tpw_rules> if you turn on oversampling then do channel scanning
2018-04-04T16:59:31 < tpw_rules> oh
2018-04-04T16:59:35 < catphish> so it'll only oversample one channel at a time
2018-04-04T16:59:35 < tpw_rules> you want sample from 1, 2, 3 repeated 8 times to get 3 sums
2018-04-04T16:59:40 < catphish> yes
2018-04-04T16:59:51 < tpw_rules> yeah no you can't do that
2018-04-04T16:59:54 < catphish> 1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,etc
2018-04-04T17:00:01 < catphish> then sum at the end
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2018-04-04T17:01:31 < catphish> i have 3 channels, i want to sample them over the whole period of my PWM cycle, but i don't want to tie up all 3 ADCs
2018-04-04T17:01:40 < dongs> just sample X channels and sum them up in dma_tc
2018-04-04T17:02:59 < catphish> yeah, i can sum them in software at the end of n cycles
2018-04-04T17:03:05 < catphish> dma_tc?
2018-04-04T17:03:14 < dongs> dma transfer complete.
2018-04-04T17:03:19 < dongs> i.e. when your sequential scan into buffer is done
2018-04-04T17:03:32 < dongs> and you can get DMA transfer complete IRQ
2018-04-04T17:03:35 < catphish> oh i guess i don't have to wait for the end, i can do it after every sample, i wouldn't even need DMA
2018-04-04T17:03:50 < dongs> kinda useless to do it after every sample tho
2018-04-04T17:04:20 < catphish> it may be easiest just to do it once, only when needed
2018-04-04T17:04:50 < catphish> continuous sampling into a ring buffer would allow me to simply generate a sum any time i need one
2018-04-04T17:05:04 < catphish> that's one option
2018-04-04T17:05:26 < catphish> still getting my head around the many many ways to achieve this :)
2018-04-04T17:07:36 < catphish> anyone happen to know the answer to my question from this morning (whether i can use all of IN1 differential, IN2 differential, and IN3 differential) in sequence? use case and relevant sections from the manual: https://imgur.com/a/hMYf6
2018-04-04T17:08:56 < catphish> i can use my 3 inputs single ended, but it would be much cooler to combine them into 3 differential inputs
2018-04-04T17:09:24 < tpw_rules> if you twiddle the relevant registers before each sample
2018-04-04T17:10:28 < catphish> i'm not sure what i'd twiddle
2018-04-04T17:11:17 < tpw_rules> you'd have to switch only the converted channel to differential before you started the conversion
2018-04-04T17:11:26 < tpw_rules> you couldn't set in 1-3 to differential, then do a scan conversion of 1-3
2018-04-04T17:11:37 < tpw_rules> you'd have to set 1 to differential, convert 1, set 2, convert 2, etc
2018-04-04T17:11:58 < catphish> that's what i feared, unfortunately the ADC has to be disabled to do that i think :(
2018-04-04T17:12:20 < tpw_rules> i mean it's just a subtraction
2018-04-04T17:12:44 < catphish> sort of, but yes, if it won't work, i'll just read the 3 channels single ended
2018-04-04T17:13:00 < catphish> (and save an input pin in the process)
2018-04-04T17:16:24 < catphish> actually it's irrelevant, i'm an idiot and that math is wrong, i'll just shut up and do 3 single ended inputs :)
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2018-04-04T17:29:28 < dongs> where the fuck is laurence/b/
2018-04-04T17:29:32 < dongs> wahts the cheap 433mhz transceiver
2018-04-04T17:29:39 < dongs> the shit that chinks use
2018-04-04T17:29:40 < tpw_rules> lora
2018-04-04T17:29:41 < dongs> hoperf soemthing
2018-04-04T17:29:46 < dongs> no, with proper bandwidth
2018-04-04T17:29:52 < tpw_rules> 2 loras
2018-04-04T17:32:33 < qyx> me and englishman used ax5243, which is cheap
2018-04-04T17:32:37 < qyx> but probably not china approved
2018-04-04T17:32:44 < qyx> also, nonworking for us
2018-04-04T17:32:55 < dongs> can I get 115kbps at 200 meters?
2018-04-04T17:33:21 < qyx> probably
2018-04-04T17:33:32 < qyx> I got 100kbps at 900m with rfm69
2018-04-04T17:33:40 < qyx> thats some semtech thing
2018-04-04T17:34:21 < dongs> you mean clonerf thing
2018-04-04T17:34:39 < qyx> yes, semtech cloned
2018-04-04T17:34:49 < qyx> actually idk
2018-04-04T17:35:05 < qyx> but it works like the semtech one
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2018-04-04T17:50:08 < dongs> excelent read, retweeting thanks
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2018-04-04T18:13:43 < kakimir> what is the best way to paraller op amps to archive higher buffer output current?
2018-04-04T18:13:57 < kakimir> just paraller them with hard joints?
2018-04-04T18:14:10 < kakimir> LM324 in this case
2018-04-04T18:14:25 < kakimir> 4channels are converted into 2 channels
2018-04-04T18:14:50 < kakimir> output series resitance may be acceptable
2018-04-04T18:15:01 < kakimir> small series resistance
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2018-04-04T18:16:05 < kakimir> I wonder if I just parraler them if they start fucking each other
2018-04-04T18:18:09 < qyx> I would just use a more capable opamp
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2018-04-04T18:18:23 < kakimir> not an option
2018-04-04T18:18:31 < kakimir> I don't have any at the moment
2018-04-04T18:18:41 < kakimir> I have hmm
2018-04-04T18:18:47 < kakimir> sot23 fets though
2018-04-04T18:19:02 < kakimir> 300mA or so
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2018-04-04T18:32:37 < kakimir> http://www.analog.com/en/technical-articles/paralleling-amplifiers-increases-output-drive.html?domain=www.linear.com
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2018-04-04T19:12:38 < aandrew> kakimir: I always like putting 33 ohm resistors in series with the outputs if I have to do that
2018-04-04T19:12:58 < kakimir> okay
2018-04-04T19:13:03 < kakimir> so you have done such?
2018-04-04T19:14:12 < aandrew> I did, but it was long, long ago
2018-04-04T19:14:16 < aandrew> I seem to recall it working
2018-04-04T19:14:26 < aandrew> but a better solution is usually to have the opamp drive a BJT
2018-04-04T19:14:34 < aandrew> think about oldschool linear regulators
2018-04-04T19:14:45 < kakimir> I think I go with BJTs
2018-04-04T19:15:34  * karlp gets bitten by lua 5.1 vs 5.3 signed/unsigned ints changing
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2018-04-04T19:30:03 < upgrdman_> lua is a scripting language right?
2018-04-04T19:30:15 < zyp> yes
2018-04-04T19:30:43 < upgrdman_> how does it compare to python? similar aim?
2018-04-04T19:31:24 < zyp> my impression is that lua's main aim is at being embedded in stuff
2018-04-04T19:31:36 < karlp> not really remotely like python
2018-04-04T19:31:53 < karlp> downside, thought i'd foudn the problem, now i'm back to square 1
2018-04-04T19:32:02 < upgrdman_> k
2018-04-04T19:32:09 < karlp> still haven't even worked out if my problem is host side or target side :(
2018-04-04T19:32:11 < zyp> I looked at it some years ago, IIRC I found syntax annoying
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2018-04-04T19:34:06 < zyp> oh, and 1-based indexing
2018-04-04T19:34:09 < zyp> fuck that :p
2018-04-04T19:34:59 < upgrdman_> lol really?
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2018-04-04T19:41:24 < karlp> les off by 1 errors though :)
2018-04-04T19:49:05 < englishman> you use .. to concatenate strings
2018-04-04T19:49:13 < englishman> that was enough lua for me
2018-04-04T19:56:29 < jpa-> for me the biggest annoyance was how it couldn't print arrays by default
2018-04-04T19:57:17 < karlp> that's the most tedious in daily use yeah
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2018-04-04T20:09:05 < Steffanx> Even php can do that.
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2018-04-04T20:25:10 < tpw_rules> technically lua has no defined array base :D
2018-04-04T20:25:14 < ffffffffffffffff> https://youtu.be/OaXjvKffj9Q
2018-04-04T20:25:26 < tpw_rules> i write all my lua to start at -1
2018-04-04T20:29:10 < karlp> well, # operator sure as fuck defines things.
2018-04-04T20:31:19 < Steffanx> What about the signed unsigned thing karlp? The changed some default type?
2018-04-04T20:32:18 < tpw_rules> you don't have to use it
2018-04-04T20:36:29 < Steffanx> I dont know lua, so i dont know what it's about..
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2018-04-04T20:58:29 < Rob235> did mbed switch to offline eclipse shit yet?
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2018-04-04T21:11:10 < karlp> Steffanx: lua 5.3 changes some number times and gains more support for bit ops, but some code I had for converting 4 16bit numbers into a 64 bit signed/unsigned number was behaving differently on 5.1 and 5.3 (and on 64bit host vs 32bit host)
2018-04-04T21:11:21 < karlp> just led me down a wild goose chase a bit :|
2018-04-04T21:12:49 < karlp> tpw_rules: sure, but you're a maniac to your colleagues if you do things like that.
2018-04-04T21:13:11 < tpw_rules> sorry, it was a joke. i'm not particularly fond of lua honestly
2018-04-04T21:14:12 < qyx> I used to lua once
2018-04-04T21:14:21 < qyx> then I forgot the syntax fully
2018-04-04T21:14:58 < qyx> fortunately
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2018-04-05T00:41:51 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iERLyAxddVE Sweden is in trouble
2018-04-05T00:47:27 < stvn> curt
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2018-04-05T01:00:23 < psprint> Does anyone know normal current of F767 pin, and maximum current?
2018-04-05T01:03:15 < qyx> what is a normal current
2018-04-05T01:03:25 < qyx> absolute maximum ratings are in the datasheet
2018-04-05T01:04:06 < qyx> theres an electrical characteristics section
2018-04-05T01:04:28 < psprint> dammit I have only reference manual on disk. Some guy wrote he has normal current and abs.max. in datasheet
2018-04-05T01:04:55 < qyx> wut, it is available on the net
2018-04-05T01:06:33 < qyx> 25mA sink/source on i/o pins
2018-04-05T01:06:39 < psprint> yeah I'm coming back to stm after 1 year pause
2018-04-05T01:06:51 < qyx> 120mA total for all
2018-04-05T01:07:12 < psprint> thanks
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2018-04-05T01:14:31 < upgrdman_> qt pros: any idea why they use the concept of "signals and slots" ? seems more convoluted than just registering an event handler lambda.
2018-04-05T01:15:40 < qyx> I am suspecting multithreading issues
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2018-04-05T01:47:33 < sync> upgrdman_: it comes from a time when that shit was not in your compiler
2018-04-05T01:47:43 < upgrdman_> oh
2018-04-05T01:48:03 < upgrdman_> and i suppose they didnt lambda-ify anything recently?
2018-04-05T01:48:43 < sync> well, once you started building your own eco system you are stuck in it
2018-04-05T01:49:04 < sync> also lambdas, all muh rage
2018-04-05T01:49:23 < upgrdman_> ya i know its unpopular, but i wish libs would break things more often IF it meant making thing cleaner
2018-04-05T01:49:46 < upgrdman_> im new-ish to cpp, whats wrong with cpp lambdas?
2018-04-05T01:50:52 < sync> nothing, really, I just had to deal with it at work recently
2018-04-05T01:51:17 < sync> by some person doing really strange cpp dev for some stm32
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2018-04-05T02:01:21 < aandrew> just drive anything that needs more than a few mA with a cheap mosfet. problem solved
2018-04-05T02:03:13 < aandrew> qt is older than lambda functions IIRC
2018-04-05T02:03:35 < upgrdman_> couldnt they add support for lambdas without breaking the old way
2018-04-05T02:03:47 < aandrew> patches welcome
2018-04-05T02:04:23 < upgrdman_> i wonder if this bullshit is how most cpp libs handle things
2018-04-05T02:04:37 < upgrdman_> "we've been around a long time, and it shows. lolumad?"
2018-04-05T02:05:18 < upgrdman_> i mean srsly, it's pretty bad when *java* code looks cleaner
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2018-04-05T02:20:05 < karlp> you're just not looking at the right java  code.
2018-04-05T02:20:25 < karlp> java also had a nice big cut off when people decided to drop pre java5 support
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2018-04-05T02:20:44 < karlp> c and c++ libraries often make it a point of pride of "compiles clean as ansi89" shit
2018-04-05T02:20:54 < karlp> "for maximum pain on every platform!"
2018-04-05T02:21:06 < karlp> "better make sure we maintain compatibility with sunos 5.1!"
2018-04-05T02:23:15 < upgrdman_> ya that's what im worried about
2018-04-05T02:23:35 < upgrdman_> that and macros. macros everywhere.
2018-04-05T02:23:36 < karlp> it's all shit. all the way down.
2018-04-05T02:23:46 < karlp> new always breaks things
2018-04-05T02:23:53 < karlp> old stops working anyway, even if you don't change things
2018-04-05T02:24:06 < upgrdman_> any nicer cross-platform gui lib?
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2018-04-05T02:30:56 < karlp> nicer is extremely relative
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2018-04-05T04:20:04 < upgrdman> lol https://gfycat.com/ThriftyMaleBream
2018-04-05T04:26:57 < dongs> attn englishman https://gfycat.com/ShowyTatteredDrake
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2018-04-05T04:30:20 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/bWPTrJL.png attention 3d printer FAGGOTS
2018-04-05T04:32:32 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/A0Qj7Vz.gifv
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2018-04-05T04:51:01 < Cracki> upgrdman, I can only recommend Qt. commercial backing and development.
2018-04-05T04:51:09 < upgrdman> ok
2018-04-05T04:51:23 < upgrdman> figured as much. it seems to be popular at least.
2018-04-05T04:51:44 < upgrdman> and the start-up times of the jvm are pissing me off enough consider switching to cpp
2018-04-05T04:51:51 < dongs> good luck sorting out their fucktarded almost-c++-but-not-quite
2018-04-05T04:51:55 < upgrdman> but i *really* want to keep things cross-platform
2018-04-05T04:52:01 < upgrdman> ya
2018-04-05T04:52:08 < dongs> any GUI tookit that needs to preprocess your source code before compiling can get fucked
2018-04-05T04:52:25 < Cracki> as to slots and signals: that's because you actually send "messages" (between threads, or between processes/from input devices) that are processed eventually. every sane gui loop works decoupled like that.
2018-04-05T04:52:26 < upgrdman> dongs, prefer another cpp toolkit?
2018-04-05T04:52:38 < dongs> upgrdman: how complicated GUIs are you making? imgui is great
2018-04-05T04:52:44 < upgrdman> Cracki, ya, like Swing.invokeLater() etc
2018-04-05T04:52:54 < dongs> https://github.com/ocornut/imgui
2018-04-05T04:52:56 < upgrdman> EDT blah blah
2018-04-05T04:53:10 < upgrdman> dongs, will check. thx
2018-04-05T04:53:17 < dongs> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/wiki/ocornut/imgui/web/v160/v160-misc-classic.png
2018-04-05T04:53:39 < aandrew> dongs: looks nice enough
2018-04-05T04:53:46 < aandrew> you've used it before? pros/cons?
2018-04-05T04:54:02 < dongs> used
2018-04-05T04:54:14 < dongs> works fine for my purposes
2018-04-05T04:54:22 < aandrew> what pisses you off about it
2018-04-05T04:54:30 < dongs> considering its C++, very little
2018-04-05T04:54:40 < dongs> surprisingly :)
2018-04-05T04:54:44 < aandrew> interesting
2018-04-05T04:54:54 < dongs> the programming model takes getting used to
2018-04-05T04:55:13 < dongs> its basically drawn as you code, there's no GUI layout or anything kidna thing
2018-04-05T04:55:21 < dongs> but you can pack stuff and see it align etc right away
2018-04-05T04:56:53 < Cracki> re:lambdas, the issue is that you want the event handler to run in the thread it's supposed to run, not where the message was emitted. qt is _this_ multithreaded, you can use it for more than GUIs.
2018-04-05T04:57:34 < aandrew> dongs: ok qt does shit like that too... make box, put box, make text put ptext etc etc
2018-04-05T05:00:37 < Rob235> I forget c++
2018-04-05T05:00:42 < aandrew> yeah me too
2018-04-05T05:00:54 < aandrew> there was another tiny gui I was looking at for embedded
2018-04-05T05:00:57 < aandrew> forget the name now
2018-04-05T05:01:26 < Rob235> how do use initializer lists to assign DigitalOut arrays in '99 or
2018-04-05T05:01:39 < Rob235> wow, I must be tired, I forgot like 5 words there
2018-04-05T05:02:30 < Cracki> C or C++ '99?
2018-04-05T05:02:31 < Rob235> pointer maybe?
2018-04-05T05:02:36 < Rob235> C++
2018-04-05T05:02:36 < Cracki> { 1, 2, 3 }?
2018-04-05T05:02:39 < Cracki> oh c++
2018-04-05T05:03:02 < Cracki> it has {...} too but without assignment, more like a replacement for constructor argument list
2018-04-05T05:03:18 < Cracki> digitalout is mbed, eh?
2018-04-05T05:03:37 < Cracki> https://os.mbed.com/docs/latest/reference/digitalout.html ?
2018-04-05T05:04:08 < Rob235> yup
2018-04-05T05:04:11 < Cracki> https://os.mbed.com/users/jsbosch/notebook/array-of-digitalout-objects/
2018-04-05T05:04:12 < Cracki> aha!
2018-04-05T05:04:16 < Rob235> forgot to mention that too
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2018-04-05T05:04:44 < Cracki> fancy stuff
2018-04-05T05:05:01 < Rob235> yea but thats not for initializer lists
2018-04-05T05:06:16 < Rob235> for a class constructor
2018-04-05T05:06:22 < Cracki> if you mean that stuff that goes like Class(...) : foo(arg), ...?
2018-04-05T05:06:45 < Cracki> so how do you think would that differ from any other usage of init lists
2018-04-05T05:06:50 < aandrew> ahh there it is
2018-04-05T05:06:53 < aandrew> https://littlevgl.com/
2018-04-05T05:07:06 < Cracki> *bookmark*
2018-04-05T05:07:09 < dongs> oo
2018-04-05T05:07:15 < dongs> is that a uguuFX killer?
2018-04-05T05:07:30 < upgrdman> Cracki, re: threads, ya of course. but even shit like Swing makes that clean. only the EDT emits events, so any lambdas you registered get run from the EDT
2018-04-05T05:07:51 < dongs> oh wow
2018-04-05T05:07:54 < dongs> fucking rip uguufx
2018-04-05T05:07:58 < Cracki> the thing is, you don't throw lambdas around, you throw message labels + arguments around
2018-04-05T05:08:22 < Cracki> and with the connect() call/macro/whatever you _can_ assign lambdas in qt
2018-04-05T05:08:37 < Cracki> (afaik)
2018-04-05T05:10:00 < upgrdman> anyway, maybe im just being bitchy because i have not written a single like of qt yet. just reading chapter 1 so far.
2018-04-05T05:10:09 < branjb> qt is fucking terrible
2018-04-05T05:10:17 < Cracki> I know qt is a bitch. I've looked into gtk and that's even worse.
2018-04-05T05:10:40 < upgrdman> and i looked into gtk ~10yrs ago... and was like "uh, no. no thanks."
2018-04-05T05:10:52 < Cracki> I've worked with Delphi for a long time. the approach is similar, but you get IDE support for creating event handlers.
2018-04-05T05:11:21 < branjb> is there a certain industry that uses delphi a lot?
2018-04-05T05:11:23 < Cracki> microsoft stuff (c# and whatnot) also benefit greatly from IDE support for gui layouting
2018-04-05T05:11:35 < Cracki> dunno, delphi is very european, I think
2018-04-05T05:11:40 < Cracki> german even
2018-04-05T05:11:54 < dongs> emailing Tectu to get refund on uguuFX
2018-04-05T05:13:59 < dongs> doesnt look like its keil compatible tho
2018-04-05T05:14:43 < R0b0t1`> Cracki: It was made in the US, but it got a lot of European and developing market users
2018-04-05T05:14:55 < R0b0t1`> Lots of FreePascal contributors are Brazilian, Portuguese, etc.
2018-04-05T05:15:21 < R0b0t1`> Also Russian and Eastern European. I never figured it out.
2018-04-05T05:15:23 < Cracki> I'm mostly saying that because I used to hang out in a huge delphi community that was overrun with germans. also Wirth came up with pascal, so it has german(ish) roots
2018-04-05T05:15:30 < Cracki> indeed. winrar is delphi.
2018-04-05T05:15:30 < R0b0t1`> I see
2018-04-05T05:15:51 < Cracki> must have been easier to pirate than visual studio :>
2018-04-05T05:16:10 < branjb> c# is the least painful GUI development if you just need to make something real quick with actions linked to buttons
2018-04-05T05:16:18 < branjb> imo
2018-04-05T05:16:45 < Cracki> back then, I had the choice, and there was no c# yet, and guis in visual c++ meant dealing with windows apis for guis, which were _not_ nice at all
2018-04-05T05:17:06 < branjb> most of my c# gui's just consist of up down left right buttons combined with buttons that send serial strings or some shit though
2018-04-05T05:17:07 < Cracki> these days I'd start with c# and whatever they use for guis now (wpf? is that outdated yet?)
2018-04-05T05:17:19 < Cracki> heheh yes I need a little visualization too
2018-04-05T05:17:43 < Cracki> the other kind of gui i need is done in python, either qt or opencv's plain image display with event handlers
2018-04-05T05:19:13 < branjb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms3b5RRc-cM
2018-04-05T05:19:20 < branjb> i did that in c#
2018-04-05T05:19:26 < branjb> err wpf
2018-04-05T05:19:35 < Cracki> ya that's my kinda stuff
2018-04-05T05:19:36 < branjb> winforms or w/e
2018-04-05T05:19:52 < branjb> it's a tool i'd never do GUI shit professionally
2018-04-05T05:19:55 < branjb> sounds miserable
2018-04-05T05:20:06 < Cracki> ;)
2018-04-05T05:20:22 < Cracki> that's why I stay the fuck away from web development or any kind of user-facing applications
2018-04-05T05:20:27 < branjb> yeah
2018-04-05T05:20:36 < branjb> web development sounds like a great way to an early grave
2018-04-05T05:20:42 < Cracki> I mean, it can be fun, but i wanna do the *meat*
2018-04-05T05:21:01 < branjb> most web dev / GUI shit isn't even done by programmers anymore
2018-04-05T05:21:07 < Cracki> meat being what you showed, robotics, algorithms,...
2018-04-05T05:21:11 < branjb> ~designers~ who don't know shit about code do it
2018-04-05T05:21:39 < Cracki> I know someone... he gets psd files and has to translate them pixel-perfectly. they actually do a pixelwise difference for project completion
2018-04-05T05:22:19 < branjb> lol
2018-04-05T05:22:22 < branjb> jeez
2018-04-05T05:22:30 < Cracki> I'm glad there's stuff like bootstrap (css) that lets me get away with plain simple html that looks good enough to satisfy most people
2018-04-05T05:23:03 < Cracki> this gui stuff is also what keeps me away from qt and such
2018-04-05T05:23:28 < Cracki> I know the pain of trying to make custom widgets in delphi. I was perhaps too young to understand or the documentation was lacking.
2018-04-05T05:23:44 < Cracki> my turbo pascal time was fun. just draw on the screen.
2018-04-05T05:24:07 < branjb> honestly i prefer websites like this too: http://wolfman.com/
2018-04-05T05:24:11 < Cracki> eventually you roll your own gui widgets and event processing... :P
2018-04-05T05:24:18 < Cracki> ya nice n clean
2018-04-05T05:24:21 < branjb> html 2.0 or web 2.0 or w/e can go fuck itself
2018-04-05T05:24:26 < Cracki> good doggos
2018-04-05T05:24:26 < branjb> replacing content with shiny
2018-04-05T05:24:45 < Cracki> I like wikis. you just throw content at it.
2018-04-05T05:25:20 < Cracki> our student council is sick of maintaining its (stupidly) customized wordpress setup. I (stupidly) volunteered to copy the content into a dokuwiki.
2018-04-05T05:27:09 < Cracki> oh looky, this dude made turbo pascal and delphi. him being danish would explain the ton of germans I mentioned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Hejlsberg
2018-04-05T05:27:26 < Cracki> hahah now at MS for c# and typescript
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2018-04-05T05:46:21 < aandrew> dongs: have you ever looked at https://littlevgl.com/
2018-04-05T05:49:25 < dongs> aandrew: i did like 30 minutes ago, scroll up
2018-04-05T05:49:38 < dongs> looks prety cool, i already emailed TEctu asking for my ufuuFX refund
2018-04-05T05:49:48 < dongs> *uguuFX
2018-04-05T05:50:03 < aandrew> lol
2018-04-05T05:54:28 < dongs> High Quality Audio Capacitors and Audio Noise Guard with LED Trace Path Lighting
2018-04-05T05:54:31 < dongs> for fucks sake
2018-04-05T05:54:43 < dongs> does anyoen make motherboards that arent fuckign retarded
2018-04-05T05:54:44 < englishman> i submitted assembly quotes to local assembly houses under fake company names to gauge their pricing
2018-04-05T05:54:44 < dongs> in 2018
2018-04-05T05:54:50 < englishman> holy tits i am not charging enough
2018-04-05T05:55:07 < englishman> and i am assembling things way too fast
2018-04-05T05:55:42 < dongs> gigabyte jsut released new B360 chipset boards
2018-04-05T05:55:47 < dongs> it has DVI and DSUB for video out
2018-04-05T05:55:49 < dongs> in 2018
2018-04-05T05:55:51 < englishman> haha
2018-04-05T05:55:53 < dongs> what in the name of fuck
2018-04-05T05:56:06 < dongs> how does this even happen
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2018-04-05T05:56:11 < englishman> dsub might be some legacy shit built into chip
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2018-04-05T05:56:17 < dongs> no man
2018-04-05T05:56:24 < dongs> there's nothing but displayport out of any recent intel pch
2018-04-05T05:56:30 < englishman> nice
2018-04-05T05:56:32 < dongs> to do VGA they need to specifically add a dp><vga chip
2018-04-05T05:56:46 < englishman> which also ruins that dp port right
2018-04-05T05:56:49 < dongs> sure
2018-04-05T05:57:01 < dongs> no DP on this shit at all
2018-04-05T05:57:07 < dongs> dvi+dsub+hdmi 1.4 or wahtever
2018-04-05T05:57:08 < dongs> gtfo
2018-04-05T05:57:24 < englishman> gigabyte is poor man's kit tho isnt it
2018-04-05T06:04:00 < dongs> wtf
2018-04-05T06:04:01 < dongs> MSI is same
2018-04-05T06:04:03 < dongs> dsub and DVI
2018-04-05T06:04:05 < dongs> ONLY that
2018-04-05T06:04:07 < dongs> not even hdmi
2018-04-05T06:04:09 < dongs> what hte hell
2018-04-05T06:04:27 < rajkosto> am i retarted
2018-04-05T06:04:50 < dongs> https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/B360-F-PRO aahahah
2018-04-05T06:05:05 < dongs> GENERATE YOUR OWN MONEY
2018-04-05T06:05:05 < dongs> MSI PRO Series motherboards are optimized for crypto currency mining like Bitcoin, Litecoin, Ethereum and more. These motherboards come with more PCI expansion slots, perfectly placed so you can install multiple graphics cards simultaneously with ease.
2018-04-05T06:05:12 < dongs> generate your own money
2018-04-05T06:05:47 < rajkosto> i seem to keep creating gay baby jails when trying to route these 2 connectors to each other
2018-04-05T06:06:33 < dongs> https://asset.msi.com/global/picture/features/MB/Pro/B360/b360-a-pro-hero.jpg ok i guess that works
2018-04-05T06:08:15 < dongs> 100 bucks
2018-04-05T06:08:17 < dongs> not bad not bad
2018-04-05T06:08:33 < englishman> wow nice
2018-04-05T06:08:43 < rajkosto> thats only 50$ less than the high end chipset boards tho
2018-04-05T06:08:50 < dongs> which i havec zero use for
2018-04-05T06:08:56 < rajkosto> ur not gonna massively overcock ?!
2018-04-05T06:09:10 < dongs> look, i was sent 8700k by japs and i downclocked it to 8700 spec
2018-04-05T06:09:14 < dongs> because im nto a faggot
2018-04-05T06:09:17 < dongs> so no, i wont be.
2018-04-05T06:09:21 < rajkosto> because you ARE a MASSIVe faggot
2018-04-05T06:09:21 < dongs> and this is for esxi
2018-04-05T06:09:28 < dongs> wiht 8700 non-k
2018-04-05T06:09:35 < dongs> i have zero use for any bling
2018-04-05T06:09:48 < rajkosto> just throwing gigahertz out the window for no reason
2018-04-05T06:10:12 < englishman> so bsd isnt dead
2018-04-05T06:10:24 < aandrew> ... optimized for crypto?
2018-04-05T06:10:39 < aandrew> oh I see now
2018-04-05T06:10:43 < aandrew> shitloads of pciex1
2018-04-05T06:11:58 < dongs> rajkosto: z370-a pro is only $110 on amazong but thats not hte point
2018-04-05T06:12:11 < rajkosto> better power delivery
2018-04-05T06:12:15 < dongs> to what
2018-04-05T06:12:19 < dongs> a CPU that mostly idles?
2018-04-05T06:12:19 < rajkosto> cpu
2018-04-05T06:12:24 < rajkosto> MORE PHASES
2018-04-05T06:13:41 < aandrew> my b350 board's been good to me
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2018-04-05T06:25:47 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-04-05_05-25-43.png how do i escape gay baby jail ?
2018-04-05T06:26:15 < englishman> are you routing outside board outline?
2018-04-05T06:26:28 < rajkosto> it doesnt matter for now
2018-04-05T06:26:33 < rajkosto> ill tighten up once i made all the connections
2018-04-05T06:26:52 < englishman> but this is altium
2018-04-05T06:27:17 < rajkosto> ok ?
2018-04-05T06:33:56 < dongs> oh you finally got some sense and isntead of makking your own emmc breakout just gonina break out into breakout wiht hardkernel?
2018-04-05T06:34:01 < dongs> rajkosto: i suggest making this on FPC
2018-04-05T06:34:05 < dongs> drill/trace spec is higher
2018-04-05T06:34:59 < rajkosto> it needs to hold the hardkernel emmc board on it
2018-04-05T06:35:00 < Thorn> suddenly nice, small & cheap low voltage sync buck (5V in, 1.5A): NCP1595(A)
2018-04-05T06:35:32 < rajkosto> and i cant 4 layer this shit, 1.6mm is too thiccc
2018-04-05T06:35:34 < dongs> Thorn: whats wrong wiht SY8088/89
2018-04-05T06:35:55 < dongs> fucking bullshit nonstandard package @ NCP
2018-04-05T06:35:56 < dongs> fuck off
2018-04-05T06:36:17 < rajkosto> Thorn, why not just use https://www.diodes.com/assets/Datasheets/AP3418.pdf
2018-04-05T06:36:34 < rajkosto> 1.5A load, 5V in too, but higher frequency so smaller inductor needed
2018-04-05T06:36:52 < Thorn> wtf this SY8088 is 6 cents
2018-04-05T06:36:55 < rajkosto> and cheap as all hell
2018-04-05T06:37:06 < aandrew> I think I'm using AP3418 in one of my designs
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2018-04-05T06:37:18 < dongs> and its the standard pinout
2018-04-05T06:37:24 < dongs> also compatible with SY8088 and other similar shit
2018-04-05T06:37:29 < rajkosto> yep
2018-04-05T06:38:10 < rajkosto> 50% more amps on the AP3418 than the SY8088
2018-04-05T06:38:10 < dongs> we need to start stm32.buck_converters on zypsnips
2018-04-05T06:38:16 < dongs> no
2018-04-05T06:38:18 < dongs> 8089 is like 3A
2018-04-05T06:38:20 < rajkosto> but if its 6 cents
2018-04-05T06:38:36 < rajkosto> 2A
2018-04-05T06:38:39 < rajkosto> neat
2018-04-05T06:39:10 < rajkosto> dongs, i dont think i can actually make this adapter without SI going all over the place
2018-04-05T06:39:17 < rajkosto> the pinouts are just too different
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2018-04-05T06:39:24 < dongs> eh
2018-04-05T06:39:42 < dongs> that routing looks awful already
2018-04-05T06:39:47 < rajkosto> i cant do it without a signal trace crossing like 5 different signal traces on the other side
2018-04-05T06:39:47 < dongs> youre just doing it wrong
2018-04-05T06:39:51 < rajkosto> thats why i asked
2018-04-05T06:39:53 < rajkosto> am i retartet
2018-04-05T06:41:51 < Thorn> ok thx for AP and SY
2018-04-05T06:42:00 < Thorn> should I bother trying to BGA@home
2018-04-05T06:42:05 < rajkosto> no
2018-04-05T06:42:07 < Thorn> 256 balls, 1mm pitch
2018-04-05T06:42:11 < dongs> e-z
2018-04-05T06:42:13 < dongs> what is it?
2018-04-05T06:42:15 < dongs> some fpga?
2018-04-05T06:42:22 < Thorn> yes, spartan 6
2018-04-05T06:42:28 < dongs> 1mm pitch is china territory, ez as hell
2018-04-05T06:42:30 < dongs> yeah ive done it on 2L
2018-04-05T06:42:40 < dongs> that exact spartan too probly
2018-04-05T06:42:41 < rajkosto> its the only way to get the high IO spartans
2018-04-05T06:42:44 < rajkosto> so go for it
2018-04-05T06:42:47 < dongs> something 6-AN
2018-04-05T06:42:58 < rajkosto> tqfp aint even got sdram controllers
2018-04-05T06:43:19 < Thorn> xc6slx16-2ft256
2018-04-05T06:43:53 < dongs> yeha
2018-04-05T06:44:11 < Thorn> dongs: did you solder it yourself
2018-04-05T06:45:14 < dongs> yes?
2018-04-05T06:45:27 < dongs> juste stencil/paste/reflow the normal shit
2018-04-05T06:45:43 < rajkosto> did you put paste on the circles for the balls on the pcb
2018-04-05T06:45:49 < dongs> no
2018-04-05T06:45:53 < dongs> i just smeared it all over
2018-04-05T06:45:54 < rajkosto> and after that how careful were you dropping the spartan on
2018-04-05T06:46:37 < rajkosto> can you escape gay baby jail ? https://files.sshnuke.net/board_left_side.PcbDoc or https://files.sshnuke.net/board_right_side.PcbDoc for rotated connector if that's better
2018-04-05T06:46:47 < rajkosto> if im doing it wrong
2018-04-05T06:46:58 < dongs> rajkosto: https://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/3/2/4/0/5/7/a3887358-158-DSCN5246.JPG this is how i apply paste
2018-04-05T06:47:18 < rajkosto> is that some amtech
2018-04-05T06:47:22 < rajkosto> or chinese vaseline
2018-04-05T06:47:37 < rajkosto> i only use chinese Colofornia vaseline for my reflow flux
2018-04-05T06:49:08 < dongs> why the fuck is that board double sided assembly
2018-04-05T06:51:32 < rajkosto> thats how it must be
2018-04-05T06:52:25 < rajkosto> its an adapter to be able to use hardkernel emmc boards on this sbc's emmc connector which is different pinout
2018-04-05T06:55:56 < rajkosto> whichever way i go, i end up with 2-3 high speed signals that just have to go all over a couple other ones
2018-04-05T07:01:23 < dongs> its certainly routable but wiht trash SI, sure
2018-04-05T07:02:37 < rajkosto> i dont want that tho
2018-04-05T07:03:34 < rajkosto> i want gnd on the other side for every signal, no crossing the streams
2018-04-05T07:10:32 < rajkosto> i did them all except _CMD which then shrecked my party
2018-04-05T07:14:21 < rajkosto> https://files.sshnuke.net/board_left_side_nopwr.PcbDoc i did it
2018-04-05T07:17:04 < rajkosto> no way to connect all the VDD/VDDF pins tho
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2018-04-05T07:26:13 < rajkosto> unlesss
2018-04-05T07:26:25 < rajkosto> i just use 0603 0Rs for them all over the place
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2018-04-05T07:33:29 < ohsix> sup
2018-04-05T07:33:47 < rajkosto> a little bit of power over the traces wont hurt them, right ?
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2018-04-05T08:00:16 < dongs> R2BRO, whats innovating
2018-04-05T08:00:27 < dongs> did you run $CY into the ground yet
2018-04-05T08:01:01 < k\o\w> http://i.imgur.com/EVdfxlQ.jpg
2018-04-05T08:02:27 < dongs> is that some arcade trash
2018-04-05T08:02:48 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/FF3Wp6h.gifv fuck yes
2018-04-05T08:03:19 < dongs> also, RIP englishman
2018-04-05T08:03:47 < k\o\w> it's the sata hdd adapter from a wii u kiosk
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2018-04-05T08:05:08 < ohsixP> in pidgin for some other poop, on my laptop, so i'm kind of here
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2018-04-05T08:08:33 < ohsix> pff or not, gotta have it open? wat a joke
2018-04-05T08:09:27 < rajkosto> how do you make traces like that
2018-04-05T08:09:42 < rajkosto> the altium curved traces suqq
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2018-04-05T08:32:02 < dongs> worksonmymachine.pro
2018-04-05T09:04:35 < rajkosto> i want an autorouter that smooths out all my traces like that
2018-04-05T09:04:41 < rajkosto> while keeping the length matching
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2018-04-05T09:43:30 < dongs> cool
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2018-04-05T09:52:25 < stvn> Cool
2018-04-05T09:52:47 < stvn> Sup my frien
2018-04-05T09:53:56 < stvn> Good idea
2018-04-05T09:56:44 < stvn> Did you get a maga bump stock
2018-04-05T09:58:16 < dongs> when's your next school shooting
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2018-04-05T09:59:03 < dongs> you can do a real one
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2018-04-05T10:01:09 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-05T10:02:26 < dongs> so you have an AR15 for .. shooting what exactly
2018-04-05T10:03:47 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-05T10:04:09 < stvn> Are your targets black
2018-04-05T10:06:29 < dongs> do they ever do any work
2018-04-05T10:08:09 < dongs> targets
2018-04-05T10:08:36 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-05T10:09:00 < stvn> So what sound does a
2018-04-05T10:09:09 < stvn> I’ll stop there lol
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2018-04-05T10:12:09 < stvn> Cool
2018-04-05T10:15:21 < stvn> I’ve got the song in my head
2018-04-05T10:16:52 < stvn> Sounds like the gnaa
2018-04-05T10:17:44 < stvn> Yeah probably was owned by them
2018-04-05T10:18:12 < stvn> Yeah
2018-04-05T10:18:18 < stvn> I need to find one
2018-04-05T10:21:43 < stvn> With so much gaynigger activity that won’t be sufficient
2018-04-05T10:23:55 < stvn> Yeah that’s another problem
2018-04-05T10:24:03 < psprint> guys I'm seeing large steps in connecting 1602 lcd, I'm quite behinded, considering that I finished electronical college or above-ground school
2018-04-05T10:24:12 < stvn> Or transgender bloggers
2018-04-05T10:34:30 < c10ud^> which protocol should I use for my pc-to-mcu application? In the past I've used STX..ETX, today I was looking at COBS (on top of which I would implement my simple structure-based protocol), is there a better solution?
2018-04-05T10:34:56 < c10ud^> e.g. one that already serializes/deserializes data on top of a nifty serial-friendly protocol
2018-04-05T10:35:11 < dongs> nanopb?
2018-04-05T10:35:37 < c10ud^> google protobufs seems overkill
2018-04-05T10:35:46 < dongs> well, nanopb is slightly less overkill
2018-04-05T10:35:49 < dongs> of protobufs
2018-04-05T10:36:17 < zyp> protobufs don't do framing, it's a struct layer on top of framing
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2018-04-05T10:37:41 < zyp> if you already have a struct-based protocol and want a framing layer, protobuf is not what you're looking for
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2018-04-05T10:38:27 < c10ud^> I don't at the moment, or better, I have one from previous experiences but I wouldn't like using it
2018-04-05T10:38:48 < zyp> you don't what?
2018-04-05T10:39:04 < c10ud^> in fact I would need a protocol that can handle file transfers easily
2018-04-05T10:39:11 < c10ud^> I don't have a struct-based protocol
2018-04-05T10:39:13 < c10ud^> yet
2018-04-05T10:39:19 < psprint> guys I'm ordering some random stuff, 2.54 mm headers, ribbon cables, (proto?) shields, connectors, other stuff that makes life easier, do you know something like this worth ordering?
2018-04-05T10:39:29 < zyp> oh, okay, then it makes sense to build it on protobufs
2018-04-05T10:39:36 < zyp> might make sense*
2018-04-05T10:39:57 < zyp> but that still doesn't solve framing, so figure out what you'll do about that first
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2018-04-05T10:40:41 < c10ud^> yup
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2018-04-05T10:41:57 < zyp> my go-to solution for framing is to use USB and let the USB layer handle framing :p
2018-04-05T10:42:32 < zyp> but for serial links, you basically have two ways of handling it; length fields and package delimiters
2018-04-05T10:43:54 < c10ud^> well I was going to do serial-over-usb just so I can keep using the whole stack if I need to go through a real usart
2018-04-05T10:44:03 < c10ud^> (also I suck at usb)
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2018-04-05T10:46:38 < zyp> that's a fair argument, if everything works against the serial port abstraction, you can easily replace the underlying transport without changing code
2018-04-05T10:48:07 < c10ud^> R2COM, ftdi is quite useless as usb-uart is built-in
2018-04-05T10:48:14 < zyp> there should be plenty of examples using libusb with plain bulk devices and stuff
2018-04-05T10:48:24 < zyp> but it's still a learning curve
2018-04-05T10:50:55 < c10ud^> i remember fighting with leaks and segfaults a lot while playing with libusb and digital cameras
2018-04-05T10:52:02 < c10ud^> but that was a flaky stack, so it mightn't be the best example
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2018-04-05T10:53:46 < zyp> COBS looks a bit neat, btw
2018-04-05T10:53:50 < zyp> hadn't seen that before
2018-04-05T10:55:34 < c10ud^> yeah, sometimes searching for stuff while in the bathroom leads to nice discoveries
2018-04-05T10:55:34 < c10ud^> lol
2018-04-05T10:56:13 < zyp> need to remember that for consideration next time I have to do serial framing
2018-04-05T10:56:30 < zyp> R2COM, it's just a way of handling framing/escaping
2018-04-05T10:57:32 < zyp> that's higher layer stuff
2018-04-05T10:57:52 < zyp> framing based on delimiter tokens means that you're putting a specific token byte between packages
2018-04-05T10:58:04 < zyp> e.g. for an ascii terminal, the delimiter token is \n
2018-04-05T10:58:47 < zyp> for a binary line, the delimiter token might be any byte, e.g. 0x00 or 0xff
2018-04-05T10:59:20 < zyp> the problem is that for binary data, that byte value might also appear in your actual data, so when it does, you need to escape it
2018-04-05T11:00:02 < c10ud^> the only problem I see with cobs is that you can't make it on-the-fly but it requires encoding on a buffer
2018-04-05T11:00:08 < zyp> e.g. SLIP uses 0xc0 as delimiter token
2018-04-05T11:00:30 < zyp> and 0xdb as escape token
2018-04-05T11:00:32 < c10ud^> at the end of the day buffering is necessary if you're going to send with DMA so there's that
2018-04-05T11:01:03 < zyp> which means that if 0xc0 appears in your data, it gets replaced with 0xdb 0xdc, and if 0xdb appears in your data, it gets replaced with 0xdb 0xdd
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2018-04-05T11:01:35 < zyp> there's a bunch of protocols doing simple escape sequences like that, I've implemented a couple before
2018-04-05T11:02:19 < zyp> yes
2018-04-05T11:02:33 < dongs> seems kinda wasteful
2018-04-05T11:02:47 < dongs> i would rather have packet based shit
2018-04-05T11:02:49 < zyp> and the problem with the simple byte delimiter scheme is that for every 0xc0 byte (or whatever your escape token is), you need to send two bytes, so if you've got a lot of them, your data grows a lot
2018-04-05T11:03:23 < dongs> i would just use framed shit
2018-04-05T11:03:35 < dongs> header + size + data + crc or whatever
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2018-04-05T11:04:03 < c10ud^> dongs, you still need a delimiter
2018-04-05T11:04:07 < dongs> .
2018-04-05T11:04:15 < dongs> for what
2018-04-05T11:04:28 < zyp> resync
2018-04-05T11:04:36 < c10ud^> how do you know where your header starts
2018-04-05T11:04:55 < dongs> thats the header byte/whatever magic number.
2018-04-05T11:05:03 < c10ud^> yes and that can be in data
2018-04-05T11:05:20 < dongs> yes but if its framed and has size you can easily see that its random garbage
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2018-04-05T11:05:27 < zyp> length field based schemes are fine for protocols with small packets
2018-04-05T11:05:32 < dongs> mpeg2ts does this and has no issues wiht 0x47 inside data
2018-04-05T11:05:45 < dongs> (the sync byte)
2018-04-05T11:06:02 < zyp> TS has 247-byte packets or something IIRC
2018-04-05T11:06:13 < dongs> 188/204
2018-04-05T11:06:25 < zyp> that's fairly short
2018-04-05T11:06:33 < dongs> the overhead is pretty high.
2018-04-05T11:06:37 < dongs> 4 bytes/packet
2018-04-05T11:06:39 < dongs> for header.
2018-04-05T11:06:39 < c10ud^> with variable-lenght stuff you could get desynched and lose the stream completely
2018-04-05T11:06:45 < dongs> sync + pid + flags
2018-04-05T11:06:59 < c10ud^> it's theoretical but still can happen
2018-04-05T11:07:03 < dongs> 204 byte packets have 16 bytes of FEC
2018-04-05T11:07:48 < zyp> and 204 bytes isn't all that likely of containing the start token anyway, so resyncing should be easy
2018-04-05T11:07:59 < zyp> R2COM, yes
2018-04-05T11:08:06 < dongs> zyp, the sync is usually just checking 188, 188*2, 188*3 for syncbyte
2018-04-05T11:08:08 < dongs> if they're there, done
2018-04-05T11:08:21 < dongs> chances of that happening with oddball data inside stream are practically zero
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2018-04-05T11:08:36 < zyp> well, yeah, there's also the fact that TS has constant length packets
2018-04-05T11:08:44 < dongs> right
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2018-04-05T11:08:52 < c10ud^^> i was thinking of doing something like what dongs said (which I already did with STX..ETX), just cobs encoded
2018-04-05T11:09:16 < dongs> anyway, sine you ahve two way comms there's no reason to "sync" to something you don't know about
2018-04-05T11:09:30 < dongs> you keep transmitting "fucking send me sync packet" to whatever and you know exactly waht to expect
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2018-04-05T11:09:45 < zyp> by sync I mean the framing state machine
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2018-04-05T11:11:44 < zyp> if your packet structure is start, length, data, crc, when you encounter a start byte, you need to read the entire length+data+crc to check whether the checksum is valid before you can know whether the start byte was an actual start byte or just the same byte value appearing in the middle of the data
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2018-04-05T11:12:14 < dongs> sure but how is that a problem
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2018-04-05T11:12:26 < dongs> you could always read up to X, if its not it, jsut ++ until next sync candidate
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2018-04-05T11:12:45 < zyp> what's X?
2018-04-05T11:12:52 < dongs> size
2018-04-05T11:12:54 < dongs> i mean like
2018-04-05T11:12:57 < dongs> you have rando mstream
2018-04-05T11:13:02 < dongs> you're looking for sync byte, y ou found it
2018-04-05T11:13:11 < dongs> reset buffer and start reading header+ data +crc
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2018-04-05T11:13:18 < dongs> you read it, find out the header was bogus
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2018-04-05T11:13:29 < dongs> you start++'ing the search pointer until you hit next sync byte in the data youve read up to so far
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2018-04-05T11:13:38 < dongs> repeat sync+header+shit until it actually works
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2018-04-05T11:14:25 < c10ud^^> my god this network
2018-04-05T11:14:37 < c10ud^^> dongs: <c10ud^^> try that on 8bit mcu
2018-04-05T11:14:45 < c10ud^^> with 8 usarts
2018-04-05T11:14:51 < dongs> fuck off back to #avr
2018-04-05T11:14:54 < c10ud^^> :D
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2018-04-05T11:14:57 < zyp> 8bit doesn't have anything to do with it
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2018-04-05T11:15:19 < zyp> but there's plenty of other problems
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2018-04-05T11:15:45 < zyp> imagine if sync byte is 00, followed by a length byte, followed by a crc-16
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2018-04-05T11:16:13 < zyp> your buffer contains 00 ff 00 03 a1 a2 a3 c1 c2
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2018-04-05T11:16:32 < c10ud^^> dongs: with Qt serial libs I was forced to do that (and maybe I will again) since you receive buffered data already
2018-04-05T11:16:43 < zyp> you find the first byte, thinks it's a sync byte, thinks you should read 255 bytes of data, so you wait for them
2018-04-05T11:17:23 < zyp> you don't see the 3-byte packet that follows, because you keep waiting for those 255 bytes
2018-04-05T11:17:35 < dongs> yes you see it
2018-04-05T11:17:56 < dongs> once you have 255 orwahtever, you find out it fails crc, and start resync from next byte looking for 00
2018-04-05T11:17:57 < zyp> why? are you gonna add a timeout now?
2018-04-05T11:18:13 < c10ud^^> but with lots of horsepower you just cut-copy-try stuff until it works
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2018-04-05T11:19:37 < dongs> fuckign altidumb\
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2018-04-05T11:19:47 < dongs> theres no fuckign way to access preferrences without openign a project
2018-04-05T11:19:53 < zyp> haha
2018-04-05T11:20:19 < dongs> becasuse the tools menu isnt rendered
2018-04-05T11:20:22 < dongs> unless you have somethign opeene
2018-04-05T11:20:25 < dongs> dufcking fudduvbmsdudbm
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2018-04-05T11:27:11 < dongs> hey keil 5.25 final is out
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2018-04-05T11:27:22 < zyp> vscode is a surprisingly decent editor
2018-04-05T11:27:28 < dongs> you joking
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2018-04-05T11:27:43 < dongs> its garbage javashit filth and it doesnt even have working intellisense
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2018-04-05T11:27:57 < zyp> haha, idk
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2018-04-05T11:29:15 < dongs> the fuck
2018-04-05T11:29:18 < zyp> I finally got tired of code composter studio a couple of weeks ago and decided to try something else, decided to give vscode a try
2018-04-05T11:29:48 < dongs> Added: Initial version of Neural Network Library CMSIS-NN version 1.0.0.
2018-04-05T11:29:49 < zyp> but to be fair, going from eclipse, most things seems like improvements :p
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2018-04-05T11:32:46 < Steffanx> Do you at least used a modern version of CCS. I was stuck with verdion very old.
2018-04-05T11:33:01 < zyp> 7.whatever
2018-04-05T11:33:06 < zyp> latest last I updated
2018-04-05T11:34:01 < dongs> why do people insist on making shit based off eclipse and renaming it
2018-04-05T11:34:06 < dongs> does polishing the turd make it beter somehwo
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2018-04-05T11:34:30 < dongs> like if you would just call this shit "shitty IDE based on eclipse for making stuff for shitty TI MCUs"
2018-04-05T11:34:33 < Steffanx> Yes, better extend keil. *Not*
2018-04-05T11:34:41 < dongs> hey, keil *works*
2018-04-05T11:35:03 < Steffanx> For me.
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2018-04-05T11:35:56 < Steffanx> I was/am stuck with ccs 5. For some terrible dual core 1ghz ti dsp.
2018-04-05T11:38:13 < zyp> I ripped out CCS' makefile shit sometime last year, only using it for editing and debugging
2018-04-05T11:38:41 < zyp> and then when I got the jlink, the CCS jlink plugin didn't want to work properly, so I've just been using ozone recently
2018-04-05T11:38:53 < zyp> and I realized using CCS only for editing is a waste of time
2018-04-05T11:39:08 < dongs> right
2018-04-05T11:39:12 < dongs> man ozone is amazing
2018-04-05T11:39:20 < dongs> its what keil should be
2018-04-05T11:39:38 < zyp> idk about amazing, but it's ok, gets the job done
2018-04-05T11:41:05 < zyp> the whole cortex-r experience with jlink is a bit underwhelming
2018-04-05T11:43:59 < dongs> ugh keil download so slow
2018-04-05T11:44:06 < dongs> i need to be keiling asap
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2018-04-05T12:13:03 < jadew> https://image.stirileprotv.ro/media/images/680xX/Apr2014/61497219.jpg
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2018-04-05T12:13:34 < stvn> Dealing and keiling
2018-04-05T12:14:21 < stvn> VisualDsp
2018-04-05T12:14:34 < stvn> Muh anal devices
2018-04-05T12:16:19 < jadew> as a non native english speaker I can get away with pronouncing it anal og
2018-04-05T12:16:28 < jadew> I'm gonna use that
2018-04-05T12:17:05 < stvn> Yes man
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2018-04-05T12:18:49 < dongs> c o c k s
2018-04-05T12:19:22 < jadew> first thing that came to mind when you read "anal"?
2018-04-05T12:20:01 < stvn> I’ve been on a pumping spree again
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2018-04-05T12:20:23 < dongs> how about keiling spree
2018-04-05T12:20:47 < stvn> Analog devices dsp
2018-04-05T12:22:07 < stvn> Gotta use the right part for ze jobbo
2018-04-05T12:23:54 < stvn> Altium spree this weekend though
2018-04-05T12:23:57 < stvn> So that will make you partially happy
2018-04-05T12:24:11 < stvn> Aids18
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2018-04-05T12:34:18 < dongs> https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/89blxm/naomi_sexycyborg_wu_no_more_videos_for_a_while/dwq0nyn/ haha, best fucking comment on the situation
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2018-04-05T12:37:23 < Haohmaru> i saw here youtube channel.. it's all pr0n
2018-04-05T12:37:35 < Haohmaru> * her
2018-04-05T12:50:00 < dongs> no, its all garbage
2018-04-05T12:51:27 < stvn> i spotted this strange device on the walk home https://i.imgur.com/rUf8oT8.jpg
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2018-04-05T12:55:24 < Haohmaru> it's not even enjoyable pr0n
2018-04-05T12:55:56 < Haohmaru> stvn don't touch it!
2018-04-05T12:56:19 < Haohmaru> it's brown.. who knows where it might have been
2018-04-05T12:56:39 < dongs> yeah completely not enjoyable
2018-04-05T12:56:42 < dongs> she looks fucking gross
2018-04-05T12:56:50 < dongs> would not even touch with eyes closed
2018-04-05T12:57:12 < stvn> https://i.imgur.com/9BAiZ7D.png
2018-04-05T12:57:34 < Haohmaru> is that a crack bong?
2018-04-05T12:57:48 < stvn> https://i.imgur.com/wiAfvEN.jpg
2018-04-05T12:57:52 < stvn> google always delivers
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2018-04-05T12:58:10 < Haohmaru> bleh
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2018-04-05T12:58:19 < stvn> it's a very common way really poverty stricken stoners put a bong together in australia
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2018-04-05T12:58:43 < stvn> people like steffan
2018-04-05T13:06:00 < catphish> that tomato one looks pro :)
2018-04-05T13:06:43 < stvn> yeah there is a very committed userbase in australia
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2018-04-05T15:01:07 < blacktronics> how do i make keil stop being retarded? it shows me an inline error which isn't even real
2018-04-05T15:01:17 < blacktronics> builds fine
2018-04-05T15:02:28 < c10ud^> as far as I understand enums are being casted to unsigned ints, is there a way to force unsigned chars? or do I just set their field as such and compare with the enum values after ?
2018-04-05T15:02:51 < c10ud^> e.g. struct blah { enum meh e1; }; vs struct blah { uint8_t e1 };
2018-04-05T15:03:12 < karlp> c10ud^: there's a gcc option for it iirc, but you're going to make some rather binary incompatible software,
2018-04-05T15:03:17 < zyp> in C++11 you can have explicitly typed enums
2018-04-05T15:03:17 < karlp> and.... why would you care?
2018-04-05T15:03:26 < zyp> but not in C
2018-04-05T15:03:26 < karlp> it's not an 8bit micro
2018-04-05T15:04:01 < c10ud^> because I'm creating my own message structure for serial transmission
2018-04-05T15:04:11 < c10ud^> and I'm trying to save bytes
2018-04-05T15:04:35 < zyp> ref. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B11#Strongly_typed_enumerations
2018-04-05T15:05:05 < c10ud^> I think I'll share the header between the lunix/win app and the mcu fw
2018-04-05T15:05:10 < c10ud^> ah, I see
2018-04-05T15:06:20 < zyp> in C, is there even any benefit by using the enum in the struct rather than uint8_t directly?
2018-04-05T15:06:45 < c10ud^> nah, just cosmetics
2018-04-05T15:09:39 < karlp> heh, just had a go at installing atollic on workpc, even less success, requires webkitgtk3 which has been dropped as woefully out of date and full of security holes.
2018-04-05T15:09:58 < zyp> fun
2018-04-05T15:10:14 < karlp> nah, just get's ignored again.
2018-04-05T15:10:27 < karlp> was waiting on something else, thought I'd poke it again
2018-04-05T15:10:41 < stvn> dongkit
2018-04-05T15:27:44 < karlp> dongs: what are these new b360 mobos? I was just going to get a basic z370 mobo
2018-04-05T15:29:44 < stvn> z370 is what i use
2018-04-05T15:31:44 < stvn> https://techreport.com/review/33420/exploring-intel-h370-b360-and-h310-chipsets
2018-04-05T15:32:42 < stvn> https://techreport.com/r.x/2018_04_03_Exploring_Intel_s_H370_B360_and_H310_chipsets/chipsets.png
2018-04-05T15:34:48 < invzim> thinking of updating my pc stuff too, i5-8400 the way to go?
2018-04-05T15:36:46 < stvn> i rike i7-8700
2018-04-05T15:37:19 < stvn> my last i5 waz i5-750
2018-04-05T15:39:18 < stvn> surely latest i5 is good
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2018-04-05T15:47:39 < invzim> and it has integrated graphics which looks adequate for my use
2018-04-05T15:48:01 < invzim> currently using hd4000 which struggles a bit with altium in 2560x1440
2018-04-05T15:54:27 < karlp> invzim: yeah, have bought some of the parts, was going to get i5-8400 too, just looking at these new mobos,
2018-04-05T15:54:44 < karlp> there's i8 8500 now too? no idea what the fucking difference is though
2018-04-05T15:55:34 < karlp> b360 looks perfectly reasonable if I can find one locally and it's actually cheaper
2018-04-05T15:56:14 < karlp> especially as I won't be putting any graphics card in it anyway
2018-04-05T16:11:23 < invzim> he, available here - I thought they were announced just a couple of days ago
2018-04-05T16:13:20 < karlp> yeah, I'll probably go with the z370 mobo I found that was cheap enough, can't see the b360 boards getting anywhere in time.
2018-04-05T16:15:41 < invzim> haven't gone full on nerd with it, any significant differences for a non-gamer?
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2018-04-05T16:17:15 < karlp> for non gamer, it looks like b360 gives you usb 3.1gen2, and is cheaper than z370 boards.
2018-04-05T16:17:34 < karlp> at the expense of only being able to have 1 optane! omgzno
2018-04-05T16:23:39 < invzim> crap, have to add win10 license - brings total up to to something not worth it to me right now I think
2018-04-05T16:27:20 < englishman> wut
2018-04-05T16:27:31 < Steffanx> Buy a 5$ one on ebay
2018-04-05T16:27:31 < englishman> why would you pay more than $5 for legit win10pro
2018-04-05T16:27:41 < Steffanx> Did that. Works like a charm :P
2018-04-05T16:27:52 < englishman> that reminds me i need a couple more
2018-04-05T16:28:01 < englishman> to upgrade these shitty win10home laptops
2018-04-05T16:28:03 < Steffanx> Hah.
2018-04-05T16:33:37 < englishman> i'm glad to hear about r2com's promotion, i hope they make him CTO
2018-04-05T16:33:43 < invzim> hmm
2018-04-05T16:33:55 < invzim> what's the deal with the ebay licenses?
2018-04-05T16:34:27 < englishman> the deal is they are $5
2018-04-05T16:34:32 < englishman> quite the deal isnt it
2018-04-05T16:34:58 < invzim> if I don't have to reinstall every 3 months, yes
2018-04-05T16:35:59 < englishman> 1803 will be out soon, you can reinstall in 1 month if you prefer
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2018-04-05T18:09:28 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1tT0Aso-80M1oJvtXF4a9F14549ydwRzL?usp=sharing today did this
2018-04-05T18:12:56 < kakimir> basically 4 potentiometers in series
2018-04-05T18:13:13 < kakimir> connected to lm324
2018-04-05T18:14:13 < kakimir> connected to totem pole x4
2018-04-05T18:14:18 < blacktronics> veroboard is gross
2018-04-05T18:14:21 < kakimir> very
2018-04-05T18:14:49 < blacktronics> i can survive the stripboard stuff but fuck, the dotted stuff is painful
2018-04-05T18:15:06 < psprint> guys I need 6 nice gpio ports on F7, for LCD, 4 bit data, 2 bit control. How to approach this? I mean, should I look at the board for nice sequence of pins, and then verify in CubeMX if they can have proper role, belong to 1 or 2 gpio blocks, etc. ?
2018-04-05T18:15:41 < kakimir> I had an idea building that
2018-04-05T18:15:55 < kakimir> why not make LPC-liposim project
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2018-04-05T18:16:25 < blacktronics> psprint: i assume you need 6 pins, in which case i say just pick some on the same port
2018-04-05T18:17:03 < psprint> yes pins, on 1 or 2 ports (data pins can be on 1 port, control pins on second, I would even prefer this)
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2018-04-05T18:17:39 < blacktronics> just pick whatever doesn't have peripherals attached that you need for other stuff
2018-04-05T18:17:49 < psprint> but they should be consecutive on nucleo-144 zio connector hehe, OK I'm exaggerating, but the lack of corelation between names like PA5 and MCU pins is rather total
2018-04-05T18:18:37 < blacktronics> i wouldn't bother with having them be consecutive on the board
2018-04-05T18:18:50 < psprint> maybe you're right
2018-04-05T18:18:54 < blacktronics> pick them based on the mcu package so layout is easier when you make a board later
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2018-04-05T18:22:12 < psprint> if I would have some nice 1x4 plug with female end on the other side, I could strive for consecutive pins
2018-04-05T18:22:42 < blacktronics> are you planning on making a proper pcb later on?
2018-04-05T18:23:03 < psprint> no, i will be using it with breadboard
2018-04-05T18:23:19 < blacktronics> then pick 4 consecutive pins on the board i guess
2018-04-05T18:24:05 < psprint> ok
2018-04-05T18:27:55 < invzim> got this today, much neato & cleverness: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-set-24-pcs-SMD-SMT-IC-Electronic-Component-Mini-Storage-Box-and-Practical-Jewelry-Storaged/32784179053.html
2018-04-05T18:28:21 < invzim> Think I will only use the 2 smallest sizes
2018-04-05T18:31:27 < karlp> these are the nicest boxes: http://smtzone.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=store01&Category_Code=280
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2018-04-05T18:42:56 < invzim> I usually keep stuff on tape/ziplocks - but for assembly it will be nice to have the most common passives in these boxes
2018-04-05T18:45:46 < psprint> have anyone seen headers, 1xN headers, i.e. plastic-connected rows of pins (uh;) that are long on both sides? They would allow to convert female jumper wires into male, and zip together number of wires
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2018-04-05T18:48:54 < invzim> psprint: yup, got some - don't remember from where tho
2018-04-05T18:49:29 < invzim> http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4311
2018-04-05T18:49:44 < psprint> I'm looking at farnell good to know they exist
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2018-04-05T20:29:58 < karlp> if you have somefunc(uint64_t x); and you then do double blah=-57123.456; somefunc(blah); wtf am I getting x == 0 inside the function?
2018-04-05T20:30:22 < karlp> gdb command line p (uint64_t)blah gives me the big posiive number I expected
2018-04-05T20:33:33 < karlp> hello __fixunsdfdi
2018-04-05T20:33:45 < karlp> if (a <= 0.0) return 0;
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2018-04-05T20:35:41 < zyp> isn't overflow behavior undefined?
2018-04-05T20:36:16 < zyp> meaning that would be a legal optimization
2018-04-05T20:36:20 < karlp> apparently, yes.
2018-04-05T20:36:37 < karlp> might even be definiend behaviour, not sure
2018-04-05T20:36:45 < karlp> https://github.com/Microsoft/compiler-rt/commit/1ab45fe3917f805d3bcf3fd23a351b5a1f76f883 implies it might be defined
2018-04-05T20:36:52 < jpa-> making it 0 sounds more expected than making it positive
2018-04-05T20:37:08 < jpa-> but gcc on linux gives big positive number for me
2018-04-05T20:37:57 < Thorn> a sane language would fail to compile somefunc(blah);
2018-04-05T20:37:58 < zyp> karlp, I'm reading it like function spec says it should return 0, but the cast itself is probably undefined
2018-04-05T20:38:14 < karlp> cast double to int64_t, let it recast to uint64 works :)
2018-04-05T20:38:19 < Thorn> in fact I'm currently writing some kotlin and this is what it's foing
2018-04-05T20:38:23 < Thorn> *doing
2018-04-05T20:38:24 < kakimir> hmm
2018-04-05T20:38:34 < kakimir> crt is ignored from logs
2018-04-05T20:38:40 < kakimir> he goes under radar
2018-04-05T20:38:48 < karlp> (i'm actually fixing why it's negative, but wanted to first understand why I wasn't getting the negative anyway)
2018-04-05T20:38:48 < englishman> i guess jpa has him on ignore
2018-04-05T20:38:50 < jpa-> karlp: but in what kind of situation would you want such wrap behaviour?
2018-04-05T20:38:58 < zyp> karlp, also, what the fuck are you doing that needs that behavior?
2018-04-05T20:39:02 < jpa-> ah
2018-04-05T20:39:03 < kakimir> what is the point of log when you don't log everything?
2018-04-05T20:39:19 < karlp> when you're using doubles to not have to rememeber where the fixed point was, but want to put it into a fixed point output
2018-04-05T20:39:50 < karlp> so the "big" uint64t gets re-interpreted back to a negative float on the far side
2018-04-05T20:39:56 < englishman> hmm i cracked a 64gb microsd in half but it still shows as 32mb available. gets super hot though
2018-04-05T20:40:25 < jpa-> karlp: what kind of fixed point is it if represents negative values with uint64_t? :P
2018-04-05T20:40:29 < karlp> well,
2018-04-05T20:40:38 < karlp> I have a bunch of uint64s.
2018-04-05T20:40:49 < zyp> englishman, if you cracked a 64gb microsd in half, shouldn't it be 32gb, not mb? :p
2018-04-05T20:40:56 < englishman> :D
2018-04-05T20:40:56 < karlp> when someone wants them, I have to apply a divisor to them,
2018-04-05T20:41:12 < karlp> so I did that with an intermediate double to not have to think abotu teh values involved,
2018-04-05T20:41:29 < karlp> then want to truncate teh remainder back to an int64
2018-04-05T20:41:44 < karlp> uint64 is just the "write me 8 bytes" function
2018-04-05T20:41:58 < karlp> which is why casting to int64 first "works"
2018-04-05T20:42:10 < jpa-> ok
2018-04-05T20:42:50 < karlp> I could have made that function be always int64 instead of uint64 just as easily, and probably never seen this.
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2018-04-05T20:48:23 < englishman> echo -e "d\nn\np\n1\n\n\nt\nc\na\nw" | fdisk /dev/sda
2018-04-05T20:48:30 < englishman> this seems to work better than what i was doing before
2018-04-05T20:50:02 < jpa-> karlp: where do icelanders get all this money?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult
2018-04-05T20:50:28 < englishman> lol
2018-04-05T20:50:37 < englishman> if you exclude bjork, it drops to like 30k/person
2018-04-05T20:51:06 < englishman> there just arent that's many icelanders. and bjork is very wealthy
2018-04-05T20:51:12 < jpa-> it's median, not average
2018-04-05T20:52:09 < englishman> hmm, maybe they really are a country of innovators then
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2018-04-05T20:59:45 < Steffanx> lol why that list is not sorted by default?
2018-04-05T21:00:01 < Steffanx> Someone wanted to have canada above dutchland... englishman?!
2018-04-05T21:00:20 < englishman> ha
2018-04-05T21:01:14 < BrainDamage> huh, i tought we'd be doing way worse
2018-04-05T21:01:40 < englishman> land is worth a lot
2018-04-05T21:02:04 < Steffanx> maffia munny.
2018-04-05T21:02:17 < Steffanx> -f
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2018-04-05T21:03:57 < antto> <Stefanx> maffia munny.
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2018-04-05T21:05:25 < Steffanx> Welcome anto.
2018-04-05T21:05:55 < karlp> jpa-: I'd be curious on the methodolgy
2018-04-05T21:06:02 < antto> ;P~
2018-04-05T21:06:30 < englishman> steffy how do you like my lunix bash scripting.
2018-04-05T21:06:32 < englishman> i wrote it myself
2018-04-05T21:06:41 < jpa-> karlp: they took a look at your bank account and just posted it there
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2018-04-05T21:07:08 < Steffanx> Yeah, you are finally getting there englishman.
2018-04-05T21:07:21 < Steffanx> Did you water cool the edison yet?
2018-04-05T21:07:46 < englishman> no we are just suggesting they take photos at night
2018-04-05T21:08:27 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/x4Rlj1G.jpg
2018-04-05T21:08:35 < englishman> i ordered red cards and they sent me grey
2018-04-05T21:09:04 < BrainDamage> do you have some automatic flash system?
2018-04-05T21:09:23 < englishman> yes you are chatting with him
2018-04-05T21:09:51 < BrainDamage> since you're using lunix you might be able to use udev to automatically call that on plug
2018-04-05T21:10:07 < englishman> i also need to scan a qr code unfortunately
2018-04-05T21:10:58 < BrainDamage> does your distro have zbar/
2018-04-05T21:11:00 < BrainDamage> ?
2018-04-05T21:11:18 < englishman> dono
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2018-04-05T21:11:41 < BrainDamage> you can use it feeding a pic or a webcam to scan qrs
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2018-04-05T21:12:26 < englishman> ah neat
2018-04-05T21:12:34 < englishman> well i am not doing that many
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2018-04-05T21:12:47 < englishman> manual manipulation is most of the working time
2018-04-05T21:13:07 < BrainDamage> https://xkcd.com/1319/
2018-04-05T21:14:00 < englishman> yeah exactly
2018-04-05T21:14:17 < englishman> i could also fly to china and pay a team to flash sd cards
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2018-04-05T21:14:34 < BrainDamage> why fly to china
2018-04-05T21:14:39 < BrainDamage> import illegal immigrants
2018-04-05T21:15:13 < BrainDamage> the threat of deportation should be a sufficient driving mechanism for decades of indentured servant work
2018-04-05T21:15:17 < englishman> already too many italians here, with their excellent food and astounding workmanship
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2018-04-05T22:10:24 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffXqcf48D9Q
2018-04-05T22:10:28 < upgrdman> anyone here run os x in a vm?
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2018-04-05T22:25:55 < tpw_rules> are there stm32s with integrated can transceiver like lpc11c24
2018-04-05T22:26:14 < kakimir> use lpc11c24?
2018-04-05T22:26:58 < tpw_rules> yeah but it's small
2018-04-05T22:30:36 < Steffanx> afaik there is no such stm32
2018-04-05T22:31:02 < kakimir> tpw_rules, do you really need big?
2018-04-05T22:31:09 < kakimir> and are you talking about IO or size?
2018-04-05T22:31:16 < tpw_rules> ram
2018-04-05T22:31:19 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-05T22:31:20 < tpw_rules> but ok Steffanx thanks
2018-04-05T22:31:21 < kakimir> definitelly
2018-04-05T22:34:16 < zyp> tpw_rules, lpc11c is the only one I've seen
2018-04-05T22:34:37 < tpw_rules> yeah that's what i thought
2018-04-05T22:34:50 < zyp> IIRC it's a bit annoying to use too
2018-04-05T22:34:55 < zyp> I can't recall what it was
2018-04-05T22:34:59 < tpw_rules> i mean i've used it before
2018-04-05T22:35:01 < zyp> but I bought a devboard a couple of years ago
2018-04-05T22:35:02 < tpw_rules> briefly
2018-04-05T22:35:19 < Thorn> it needs 2 voltages iirc
2018-04-05T22:35:22 < zyp> yes
2018-04-05T22:35:28 < zyp> transceiver part needs 5V
2018-04-05T22:35:32 < tpw_rules> well yeah
2018-04-05T22:35:50 < tpw_rules> are there any can things that don't?
2018-04-05T22:36:30 < kakimir> some tranceivers may have internal power converters
2018-04-05T22:36:44 < zyp> there's plenty of 3.3V can transceivers
2018-04-05T22:36:49 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-05T22:37:00 < kakimir> so why did they put 5v input there?
2018-04-05T22:37:02 < tpw_rules> oh. hm
2018-04-05T22:37:08 < zyp> ah, now I found why I don't like lpc11c
2018-04-05T22:37:10 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/f/oGzd8.png
2018-04-05T22:37:22 < zyp> this shit is absolutely ridiculous
2018-04-05T22:37:37 < tpw_rules> what do you mean
2018-04-05T22:38:02 < zyp> 2.6, reserved, 2.0, 0.0, 0.1, 1.8, …
2018-04-05T22:38:38 < tpw_rules> oh. yeah someone was lazy with the layout
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2018-04-05T22:40:22 < zyp> 00:54:15 < zyp> every time I've considered using lpc for a project, I've got to the prototyping stage and hit the «wtf?» when I look at the IO stuff, and that have turned
2018-04-05T22:40:25 < zyp>  me off from it completely
2018-04-05T22:41:27 < tpw_rules> lol
2018-04-05T22:41:48 < kakimir> what do you mean?
2018-04-05T22:42:04 < kakimir> models without or with pinmuxing?
2018-04-05T22:42:13 < kakimir> and still - what do you mean?
2018-04-05T22:42:51 < zyp> what do who mean?
2018-04-05T22:43:20 < kakimir> why it's wtf?
2018-04-05T22:43:30 < zyp> did you see the pic I posted?
2018-04-05T22:44:06 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-05T22:44:13 < kakimir> looks very typical LPC IO
2018-04-05T22:44:17 < zyp> exactly
2018-04-05T22:44:47 < zyp> the problem is that very typical LPC IO is retarded
2018-04-05T22:45:06 < kakimir> why you look that page anyways?
2018-04-05T22:45:23 < kakimir> I look at footprint and pin description pages
2018-04-05T22:45:25 < kakimir> never that one
2018-04-05T22:45:37 < kakimir> oh that is IOCON
2018-04-05T22:45:40 < zyp> so I know which addrs to write to configure the IO pins
2018-04-05T22:46:01 < kakimir> I use macros or whatever defined for them
2018-04-05T22:46:10 < zyp> the problem is that there's no pattern to it, so you need a fucking lookup table in the API
2018-04-05T22:46:50 < kakimir> I concider it a nuisance
2018-04-05T22:47:02 < kakimir> but it's quickly dealt with
2018-04-05T22:47:49 < zyp> I'm not saying I couldn't deal with it, I'm saying I don't want to
2018-04-05T22:48:03 < kakimir> it's a small chip
2018-04-05T22:48:16 < zyp> if NXP is going to keep making retarded shit, I'll opt to go for a different vendor instead
2018-04-05T22:48:20 < zyp> yes
2018-04-05T22:48:33 < zyp> the larger chips are even worse
2018-04-05T22:48:48 < kakimir> newer ones have pin muxing
2018-04-05T22:48:57 < kakimir> to complicate things
2018-04-05T22:49:00 < Thorn> newest LPC generation (lpc8xx, lpc15xx) have a gpio switch matrix
2018-04-05T22:49:23 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/Awxwi <- here's lpc43xx' function table
2018-04-05T22:49:48 < kakimir> exactly what I use LPC11xx and LPC15xx for bigger shiets
2018-04-05T22:50:03 < kakimir> zyp, man up
2018-04-05T22:50:14 < zyp> why?
2018-04-05T22:50:35 < kakimir> you are making an excuse for yourself
2018-04-05T22:50:48 < zyp> excusing what?
2018-04-05T22:52:29 < kakimir> to try to avoid unfun but ultimatelly runty task compared to total development time
2018-04-05T22:54:44 < kakimir> and there isn't really stuff to get wrong there, maybe typo something but quickly realise one IO is not functioning like it should
2018-04-05T22:56:08 < zyp> for hobby dev, what's the point if it's not fun?
2018-04-05T22:56:35 < kakimir> then you go for arduino
2018-04-05T22:56:46 < zyp> what's fun about arduino? :p
2018-04-05T22:57:22 < PaulFertser> Completely linear pin numbers ;)
2018-04-05T22:57:36 < zyp> ha
2018-04-05T22:58:01 < kakimir> I like the pain of my project
2018-04-05T22:58:06 < kakimir> *s
2018-04-05T22:58:15 < kakimir> and the challenge
2018-04-05T22:58:28 < kakimir> and autisming really hard, weeks
2018-04-05T22:58:42 < zyp> I'm dealing with enough vendor bullshit at work, for hobby I'd rather do stuff that's fun :p
2018-04-05T22:59:16 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjAyuK3gzIA musics
2018-04-05T22:59:39 < kakimir> don't do electronics then
2018-04-05T22:59:58 < zyp> you don't get to tell me what to do and not :p
2018-04-05T23:00:41 < kakimir> merelly suggestions
2018-04-05T23:01:26 < kakimir> I need a next gear in my projects
2018-04-05T23:02:10 < zyp> what's a next gear?
2018-04-05T23:03:43 < kakimir> I feel my projects are pretty much void
2018-04-05T23:05:08 < kakimir> little, half done, half finished, nothing that has value for anybody but me
2018-04-05T23:05:59 < kakimir> there is no incentive to go the extra mile
2018-04-05T23:07:27 < kakimir> draining moneytime down the drain
2018-04-05T23:08:21 < kakimir> *timemoney
2018-04-05T23:11:21 < englishman> altium 18.1.3 out
2018-04-05T23:11:38 < zyp> what did they break this time?
2018-04-05T23:12:14 < englishman> dono, according to altium release notes, 18.1 doesnt even exist
2018-04-05T23:12:25 < kakimir> that is what you ask every time they build kicad nigthly
2018-04-05T23:13:35 < englishman> 18.1 has been way faster overall than 18.0, which was super slow compared to 17
2018-04-05T23:14:34 < zyp> I'm missing out on all this slowness, my license is only valid until AD15
2018-04-05T23:15:52 < englishman> id like to go back to 15 and see how much new stuff i really miss
2018-04-05T23:16:05 < englishman> draftsman was a really nice addition
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2018-04-05T23:29:36 < stvn> We’re rolling
2018-04-05T23:43:41 < englishman> what's the best way to strip the outer sheathing of PVC and shielded multi-stranded cables? eg, https://media.digikey.com/Photos/Alpha%20Wire%20Photos/EcoCable-Mini-10-Shielded.jpg
2018-04-05T23:45:34 < stvn> I use a knife
2018-04-05T23:45:49 < stvn> And a little pick to undo the braided shield
2018-04-05T23:46:05 < kakimir> https://www.ebay.com/itm/8-28mm-Wire-Stripper-Stripping-Cutter-Plier-Crimping-Tool-For-Rubber-Cable-PVC/173104206617?hash=item284dd09319:g:uIkAAOSwtKVaXrXO
2018-04-05T23:46:07 < stvn> Having a grey cat look over your work is a benefit
2018-04-05T23:46:58 < kakimir> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Adjustable-Double-Blades-RG6-59-Wire-Stripper-Automatic-Cable-Cutter-Pliers/172718160652 should try this type of thing too
2018-04-05T23:47:32 < kakimir> and blade in RJ45 tool also works with similar sized pvc cables
2018-04-05T23:48:31 < englishman> but i need to do a lot
2018-04-05T23:49:14 < kakimir> then such rotating tool
2018-04-05T23:49:14 < englishman> hmm looks handy
2018-04-05T23:49:28 < englishman> yes the adjustable one
2018-04-05T23:49:33 < kakimir> you can pick it up from any decent local electronics shop
2018-04-05T23:50:14 < kakimir> first one is mainly meant for MMJ installation cables
2018-04-05T23:51:04 < kakimir> I don't know if you call it MMJ in there but PVC cable with solid copper conductors
2018-04-05T23:51:07 < kakimir> white
2018-04-05T23:51:13 < englishman> like house wire
2018-04-05T23:51:15 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-05T23:51:41 < kakimir> some of those first one types do not go to smaller than smallest size of those house cables
2018-04-05T23:51:58 < qyx> mmj?
2018-04-05T23:52:10 < qyx> I use a knife
2018-04-05T23:52:56 < kakimir> https://www.ikh.fi/fi/asennuskaapeli-mmj-3x1-5mm-s-tele-fonika-tf001
2018-04-05T23:53:28 < kakimir> also with first one the blade tilts 360
2018-04-05T23:54:10 < qyx> interesting, we call those cyky-j
2018-04-05T23:54:23 < qyx> and have nice black color
2018-04-05T23:55:09 < englishman> https://www.digikey.ca/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&itemSeq=257057153&uq=636585354214116570
2018-04-05T23:55:11 < qyx> also n2xh-j
2018-04-05T23:55:12 < englishman> this cable specifically
2018-04-05T23:55:44 < qyx> your specific cable gives me Results: 6,827,972
2018-04-05T23:55:54 < englishman> hs
2018-04-05T23:55:54 < englishman> 78130SL005-ND
2018-04-05T23:56:37 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXsVv1eSmho nice tool
2018-04-05T23:56:42 < kakimir> manual rotation of the blade
2018-04-05T23:57:31 < qyx> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTeBDFWc2ua8golh4wRjz0RGAs1zZtVZIlo9FvfUH6F4qFylU_4VQ
2018-04-05T23:57:35 < qyx> I used to use this
2018-04-05T23:57:47 < englishman> https://www.amazon.ca/Platinum-Tools-10005C-Slitter-0-18-Inch/dp/B002PI4DV2
2018-04-05T23:57:51 < qyx> but thats mainly for small diameter cables
2018-04-05T23:58:04 < qyx> yes, that works
2018-04-05T23:58:08 < qyx> mostly
2018-04-05T23:58:13 < englishman> thats like exactly whats in the video
2018-04-05T23:58:34 < kakimir> is 0.18" small enought?
2018-04-05T23:58:40 < englishman> no lever tho
2018-04-05T23:59:28 < qyx> https://www.tme.eu/sk/katalog/klieste-odizolovacie_100169/
2018-04-05T23:59:38 < qyx> you can check your favorite tme
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2018-04-06T00:01:04 < kakimir> I think I want that platinum tools one
2018-04-06T00:01:49 < kakimir> ebay thing - my first link - for small cables I need to press it down because spring doesn't pull all way down
2018-04-06T00:02:38 < kakimir> another thing is freerotating blade starts to fuck around
2018-04-06T00:02:44 < kakimir> I want that lever
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2018-04-06T00:03:05 < englishman> https://www.amazon.ca/Greenlee-Communications-1822-Universal-0-18-1-Inch/dp/B000099O6A
2018-04-06T00:03:08 < englishman> this one has the lever
2018-04-06T00:03:56 < kakimir> shieet - I paid like 2eur for chinese one
2018-04-06T00:04:05 < kakimir> I don't know if I'm ready for this yet
2018-04-06T00:04:25 < kakimir> but it's gorgeous
2018-04-06T00:04:48 < englishman> https://www.digikey.ca/products/en/tools/wire-strippers-and-accessories/230?k=&pkeyword=&pv183=3712&FV=ffe000e6&quantity=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&pageSize=25
2018-04-06T00:04:53 < englishman> 53 at digijew
2018-04-06T00:05:53 < englishman> looks pretty handy tho
2018-04-06T00:06:19 < englishman> https://vimeo.com/239681864
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2018-04-06T00:07:13 < kakimir> there is a slot for cable diameter measurement!
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2018-04-06T00:09:44 < kakimir> with thin signal cables without that mushy stuff between seperate wires or thick shielding you don't want to go all way thru with the blade englishman
2018-04-06T00:10:13 < kakimir> just almost thru and then tear it off
2018-04-06T00:10:20 < kakimir> it will break at the cut
2018-04-06T00:10:22 < englishman> yeah i dono, i dont want to order a million bux worth of cable and spend the rest of my life trying to figure out how to strip it
2018-04-06T00:10:35 < englishman> that adjusty one looks like it can do the job
2018-04-06T00:10:46 < kakimir> greenlee?
2018-04-06T00:10:49 < englishman> yes
2018-04-06T00:10:59 < kakimir> definitelly
2018-04-06T00:11:13 < kakimir> try it and tell me how it does
2018-04-06T00:11:13 < qyx> also are you sure you want that alphawire cable?
2018-04-06T00:11:26 < englishman> client requirement
2018-04-06T00:11:36 < qyx> 10c 24awg for like $12/meter?
2018-04-06T00:11:39 < englishman> yep
2018-04-06T00:11:48 < qyx> fuk
2018-04-06T00:11:50 < englishman> i mean il try to find a better price
2018-04-06T00:11:54 < qyx> even lappkabel is cheaper
2018-04-06T00:11:57 < englishman> but that's probably what it's going to be
2018-04-06T00:12:13 < qyx> also helukabel, good german wuality
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2018-04-06T00:12:37 < englishman> il convince them to go chinese too since it is just for some dumb serial
2018-04-06T00:12:55 < kakimir> all way down to chinese
2018-04-06T00:14:32 < qyx> we were using https://www.tme.eu/sk/details/liycy10x0.25/viaczilove-kable-tienene/helukabel/20035/
2018-04-06T00:16:05 < qyx> ah, ppe jacket
2018-04-06T00:16:56 < englishman> hmm they said they can sub PROVO 6810
2018-04-06T00:17:01 < englishman> which is pvc
2018-04-06T00:17:10 < englishman> so im pretty sure they will be fine with chinese
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2018-04-06T00:19:55 < kakimir> how do you assure quality controlled cable?
2018-04-06T00:21:03 < kakimir> they make those cables in which ever sweatshop is the cheapest at the moment and materials may also vary
2018-04-06T00:21:32 < qyx> wat
2018-04-06T00:21:58 < englishman> im sure those cables are then printed with "alpha wire" and shipped directly to digikey at 9000% markup
2018-04-06T00:22:27 < kakimir> maybe
2018-04-06T00:23:02 < qyx> if I need quality cable, I order either from the manufacturer or from a reputable distributor
2018-04-06T00:23:38 < qyx> and not from a local store selling noname chinese cables
2018-04-06T00:23:46 < englishman> definitely not
2018-04-06T00:23:47 < qyx> for arduino use
2018-04-06T00:24:00 < kakimir> important stuff
2018-04-06T00:24:00 < englishman> if i go chinese i can also get cables stripped and pretinned :p
2018-04-06T00:24:06 < kakimir> nice
2018-04-06T00:24:17 < kakimir> that is really good option
2018-04-06T00:24:31 < qyx> but try to get pur cable from china
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2018-04-06T00:26:09 < kakimir> definitelly
2018-04-06T00:26:14 < kakimir> pur is so nice
2018-04-06T00:27:15 < qyx> btw I found some ax drivers on the githubs
2018-04-06T00:27:17 < qyx> englishman: ^
2018-04-06T00:27:24 < englishman> nice
2018-04-06T00:28:08 < qyx> I will keep trying to get them working until they become eol
2018-04-06T00:35:33 < karlp> that thing in the video was a cute wire stripper
2018-04-06T00:36:57 < karlp> pretty reasonable price too
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2018-04-06T00:54:22 < kakimir> hello Laurenceb_
2018-04-06T00:56:01 < stvn> Dad
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2018-04-06T01:02:32 < Rob235> haha hrmmm... so I just set my microcontroller on fire somehow
2018-04-06T01:03:06 < stvn> Can I see
2018-04-06T01:03:11 < kakimir> pics
2018-04-06T01:03:17 < kakimir> or did not happen
2018-04-06T01:05:39 < karlp> pics!
2018-04-06T01:06:31 < Rob235> https://i.imgur.com/7f7q2PS.jpg
2018-04-06T01:06:33 < Rob235> bottom right
2018-04-06T01:06:40 < stvn> Nothing can stop these freaks performing their weird initiation rituals night after night
2018-04-06T01:07:18 < stvn> NXP
2018-04-06T01:07:40 < kakimir> Rob235, that is.. regulator right?
2018-04-06T01:07:53 < Rob235> I would think
2018-04-06T01:08:11 < kakimir> you have reverse polarity
2018-04-06T01:08:16 < kakimir> or something
2018-04-06T01:08:21 < kakimir> too high voltage
2018-04-06T01:08:27 < stvn> Or China
2018-04-06T01:09:04 < karlp> moronic: https://github.com/hughsie/fwupd/issues/275
2018-04-06T01:09:08 < Rob235> it says up to 14v and Im using 12v, guess they lied?
2018-04-06T01:09:22 < karlp> let's use a generic vid/pid from a demo application as they key to "this must be product x"
2018-04-06T01:09:32 < stvn> Was this your first use rob?
2018-04-06T01:09:47 < kakimir> Rob235, from where did you provide that 12v?
2018-04-06T01:09:47 < Rob235> not first but I havent done much with it
2018-04-06T01:10:04 < Rob235> 10A switching psu
2018-04-06T01:10:11 < karlp> thats not an stm32 board!
2018-04-06T01:10:25 < kakimir> how much you are pulling thru that reg?
2018-04-06T01:10:27 < karlp> also, that's not your microcontroller!
2018-04-06T01:10:29 < karlp> lies!
2018-04-06T01:10:32  * karlp flips the table
2018-04-06T01:10:35 < Rob235> ?
2018-04-06T01:10:38 < kakimir> appart from mcu board itself
2018-04-06T01:10:40 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-06T01:11:18 < Rob235> it shouldnt have been a lot? I was using it to drive a stepper but the stepper gets power straight from the supply
2018-04-06T01:11:19 < stvn> I was really hoping to see MCU carnage
2018-04-06T01:11:38 < kakimir> what voltage level does that provide? look from embedded artists website for schematics and such
2018-04-06T01:11:39 < Rob235> just a little fireball that went out after a sec :)
2018-04-06T01:11:53 < karlp> hrm, someone here linked a pic of a nicely exploded stm32 earlier
2018-04-06T01:11:58 < stvn> Blame it on esd lol
2018-04-06T01:12:02 < karlp> don't seem to have it in accidents.txt though :(
2018-04-06T01:12:10 < stvn> :3
2018-04-06T01:12:28 < kakimir> it may take conciderable current to drive those stepper controller gates depending what size those are
2018-04-06T01:14:15 < kakimir> https://www.embeddedartists.com/sites/default/files/docs/schematics/LPCXpressoLPC1768revA.pdf
2018-04-06T01:14:56 < Rob235> what am I looking at?
2018-04-06T01:15:00 < Rob235> at/for
2018-04-06T01:15:45 < kakimir> https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/CAT6219-D.PDF
2018-04-06T01:16:59 < kakimir> absolute maximum 6.5V for that one
2018-04-06T01:18:10 < Rob235> uhhh, why did it say 14v?
2018-04-06T01:18:32 < Rob235> ohhh fuck me
2018-04-06T01:18:35 < Rob235> it says 9
2018-04-06T01:18:54 < kakimir> indeed
2018-04-06T01:18:54 < Rob235> oh, no it says 14v on the card it came with
2018-04-06T01:19:05 < kakimir> interesting
2018-04-06T01:19:22 < Rob235> https://os.mbed.com/media/img/boardlogos/lpc1768/pinout.png
2018-04-06T01:19:34 < Rob235> its that but vin says 4.5v - 14.0v on mine
2018-04-06T01:20:55 < kakimir> do a reclamation
2018-04-06T01:21:01 < kakimir> get new one
2018-04-06T01:21:48 < kakimir> failure mode of such regulator usually includes VIN shorting to output
2018-04-06T01:22:38 < kakimir> how long ago you bought it?
2018-04-06T01:25:45 < Rob235> long time
2018-04-06T01:25:51 < Rob235> a couple years
2018-04-06T01:26:54 < Rob235> if that fried the rest of my components im gonna be pissed
2018-04-06T01:28:41 < kakimir> remember to blame embedded artists instead of nxp
2018-04-06T01:31:26  * karlp opens up a cube project
2018-04-06T01:34:48 < englishman> innovation time
2018-04-06T01:34:53 < karlp> not really.
2018-04-06T01:34:57 < karlp> porting time!
2018-04-06T01:40:32 < englishman> https://youtu.be/8rRRvgjLjZU
2018-04-06T01:42:23 < stvn> Yah I saw dem years ago
2018-04-06T01:42:29 < stvn> But whyyyy
2018-04-06T01:45:17 < kakimir> how much those potato chips cost?
2018-04-06T01:45:54 < stvn> I wonder if Conor McGregor had a stiffy when he went on his rampage
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2018-04-06T01:49:19 < karlp> what on what what are those potato guys trying to make money with?
2018-04-06T01:49:28 < karlp> it sounds like a hobbty project of rich silicon valley dudes
2018-04-06T01:49:39 < kakimir> it pretty well might be
2018-04-06T01:49:50 < kakimir> some silicon pros geeking out
2018-04-06T01:51:11 < kakimir> http://www.potatosemi.com/ look where they are located
2018-04-06T01:51:15 < kakimir> san jose
2018-04-06T01:53:10 < kakimir> they are holding some noise canceling technology patents
2018-04-06T01:53:29 < kakimir> so only viable option to make money is to get those sold to some big house
2018-04-06T02:00:08 < Rob235> hrmmm, should I wait for a response from NXP, use a teensy 3.2, or take the stm32f4-disco out of my drone
2018-04-06T02:00:29 < Rob235> I shoulda stocked up on mcus when I had money :)
2018-04-06T02:03:51 < kakimir> you should probs test if anything in that board or connected to that board stayed alive by bypassing that regu
2018-04-06T02:03:56 < kakimir> with 3V3
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2018-04-06T02:04:33 < Rob235> yea I know, I'm scared to test though
2018-04-06T02:04:40 < kakimir> you lose nothing
2018-04-06T02:04:55 < kakimir> just have limited current supply
2018-04-06T02:06:01 < Rob235> I mean I'm scared to find out if any other damage was done
2018-04-06T02:06:23 < kakimir> there is no purpose to be scared
2018-04-06T02:06:32 < kakimir> when there is nothing you can do
2018-04-06T02:06:33 < Rob235> how can I get 3.3v, can I hook up 3.3v from another mcu?
2018-04-06T02:06:40 < Rob235> I dont have a variable psu
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2018-04-06T02:06:54 < kakimir> even any regulators laying around?
2018-04-06T02:07:04 < kakimir> china buck modules
2018-04-06T02:07:07 < kakimir> anything?
2018-04-06T02:07:32 < Rob235> I think I have a wall plug that can do 3.3v and up to 500mA
2018-04-06T02:07:58 < kakimir> interesting
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2018-04-06T02:08:07 < kakimir> I didn't know you can get such
2018-04-06T02:09:00 < Rob235> https://www.radioshack.com/products/3-12-volt-2500ma-high-power-ac-adapter?variant=20331035461&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgrHvqaCk2gIViLjACh0PfgINEAQYAyABEgIbOvD_BwE
2018-04-06T02:09:07 < Rob235> its like that, let me see if its actually 3.3 on mine
2018-04-06T02:09:28 < Rob235> mine is only 500 mA like I said, not 2.5 like that one
2018-04-06T02:09:50 < kakimir> 3 or 3.3 doesn't make difference
2018-04-06T02:09:55 < Rob235> ok
2018-04-06T02:10:02 < kakimir> solder that regu out
2018-04-06T02:10:22 < kakimir> measure the output and connect it to ground and +3v3 pins
2018-04-06T02:11:00 < qyx> it reminds me how I powered a china made pal camera with 12V
2018-04-06T02:11:33 < qyx> they said 12V okay, so I cut the original cable, extended it and powered by 12V
2018-04-06T02:11:59 < qyx> the fucks molded the vreg in the cable connector
2018-04-06T02:12:07 < upgrdman> lol
2018-04-06T02:12:20 < qyx> magic smoke escaped
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2018-04-06T02:15:03 < kakimir> it reminds me how my fpv camera transmitter said 27V is okay
2018-04-06T02:15:12 < kakimir> so I did and it burned
2018-04-06T02:15:32 < kakimir> thermal death
2018-04-06T02:16:04 < kakimir> I actually went only to 22v
2018-04-06T02:16:24 < Rob235> I love waiting for a soldering iron to heat up when its unplugged
2018-04-06T02:16:35 < upgrdman> buy a less shitty iron
2018-04-06T02:16:48 < kakimir> ts100
2018-04-06T02:16:48 < upgrdman> even a hakko 888 warms up in <15 seconds
2018-04-06T02:17:17 < Rob235> I have a 888d, I just meant I hit the switch and forgot I unplugged it earlier so it was just sitting there off
2018-04-06T02:17:48 < upgrdman> does rob like the d?
2018-04-06T02:18:10  * Rob235 loves the d
2018-04-06T02:18:31 < upgrdman> i prefer the ANALog temp control of my 888
2018-04-06T02:18:55 < Rob235> I was gonna say I dont like the a
2018-04-06T02:19:07 < Rob235> but yours made a better joke
2018-04-06T02:19:58 < Rob235> so what am I doing? desoldering the burnt regulator?
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2018-04-06T02:24:41 < kakimir> better get that off
2018-04-06T02:25:11 < upgrdman> he's having difficulty getting off
2018-04-06T02:25:18 < upgrdman> maybe you should give him a hand?
2018-04-06T02:25:22 < kakimir> 2 big blobs of solder
2018-04-06T02:25:36 < kakimir> both sides
2018-04-06T02:25:44 < kakimir> heat those repeatedly
2018-04-06T02:25:48 < rajkosto> is it ok to route a dual layer board as 2 single layer boards (no ground fill on either side) just having gnd line next to each signal conductor ?
2018-04-06T02:26:27 < upgrdman> ya if sig integ isn't a big deal
2018-04-06T02:27:06 < kakimir> then just push the regu out of edge of pcb
2018-04-06T02:27:18 < kakimir> that cap doesn't matter eather anymore
2018-04-06T02:27:29 < rajkosto> upgrdman, 100ish MHZ bus :|
2018-04-06T02:27:45 < upgrdman> oh lol
2018-04-06T02:28:10 < upgrdman> guess it's worth a shot
2018-04-06T02:28:43 < kakimir> other way is to heat those up ith a blob of solder and when it's all liquid quickly hit the board edge first to table
2018-04-06T02:29:27 < kakimir> solder and component keep their trajectory as pcb stops rapidly
2018-04-06T02:30:04 < upgrdman> bang bang bang
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2018-04-06T02:32:04 < rajkosto> high frequency current always flows directly behind the conductor on the other side
2018-04-06T02:32:13 < rajkosto> why cant it flow right next to it instead ?
2018-04-06T02:32:14 < upgrdman> wants to
2018-04-06T02:32:27 < rajkosto> what makes the "other side"
2018-04-06T02:32:29 < rajkosto> more desirable
2018-04-06T02:32:35 < upgrdman> proximity
2018-04-06T02:32:36 < rajkosto> i mean ATA cables work up to 133MHz
2018-04-06T02:32:49 < rajkosto> umm, the GND conductor next to it is 6mil away
2018-04-06T02:32:53 < rajkosto> the other side is 0.8mm away
2018-04-06T02:32:53 < upgrdman> yes everything is a compromise
2018-04-06T02:33:45 < upgrdman> ya but the current isnt flowing 6mil away, its flowing along the whole cross-section of the trace
2018-04-06T02:34:08 < kakimir> but not evenly
2018-04-06T02:34:11 < upgrdman> and on a 4L board, the inner layers are usually closer iirc
2018-04-06T02:34:14 < upgrdman> true
2018-04-06T02:35:26 < upgrdman> i've done 40MHz SPI on a 1-layer diy pcb, with no ground nearby at all. it worked fine.
2018-04-06T02:35:33 < upgrdman> dont think it'd pass EMC tho
2018-04-06T02:35:39 < Rob235> hah well the regulator just kinda disintegrated when I went to hold it with tweezers while I unsoldered it
2018-04-06T02:35:42 < Rob235> I guess that works :P
2018-04-06T02:35:52 < Rob235> I cleaned it up now i'll attach the 3v
2018-04-06T02:36:07 < upgrdman> thanks for live tweeting your soldering
2018-04-06T02:36:31 < Rob235> suresure
2018-04-06T02:36:54 < upgrdman> are you still addicted to e-cigs?
2018-04-06T02:37:06 < rajkosto> upgrdman, SPI is 1-bit, this is 8-bit
2018-04-06T02:37:14 < upgrdman> yes
2018-04-06T02:37:18 < Rob235> nah, I havent vaped in a long time
2018-04-06T02:37:29 < rajkosto> way more crosstalk
2018-04-06T02:37:36 < upgrdman> yes
2018-04-06T02:37:40 < upgrdman> good luck :)
2018-04-06T02:37:43 < rajkosto> the gnd traces surrounding each signal trace SHOULD act similar to the gnd plane on a 4L board
2018-04-06T02:37:51 < upgrdman> ya
2018-04-06T02:38:05 < rajkosto> i simply cant fit all of the traces on one side (keeping the other side purely gnd)
2018-04-06T02:38:06 < upgrdman> theres lot of flexpcb like that, with high speed shits
2018-04-06T02:38:09 < rajkosto> with all the length matching
2018-04-06T02:38:11 < rajkosto> yeah exactly
2018-04-06T02:38:13 < rajkosto> it works for flex
2018-04-06T02:38:16 < rajkosto> but flex isnt dual sided
2018-04-06T02:38:27 < upgrdman> ya. its a compromise.
2018-04-06T02:38:45 < upgrdman> your EMC wont be as good, etc.
2018-04-06T02:38:55 < upgrdman> edges may not be as clean, etc.
2018-04-06T02:39:17 < rajkosto> i think the signals from one side would crosstalk to the signals on the other
2018-04-06T02:39:18 < upgrdman> eye diagram may look more like a sphincter.
2018-04-06T02:39:35 < rajkosto> no differential
2018-04-06T02:39:42 < rajkosto> just 3.3v full baja blast
2018-04-06T02:40:02 < rajkosto> at 100MHz
2018-04-06T02:40:03 < upgrdman> fuck i havent had baja blast in years
2018-04-06T02:40:07 < upgrdman> damn now i want that so bad
2018-04-06T02:40:15 < rajkosto> i know right
2018-04-06T02:40:15 < upgrdman> no taco bell near me
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2018-04-06T02:42:56 < rajkosto> i think the stuff in fpc cables gets away with it because its low voltage differentia
2018-04-06T02:43:12 < Rob235> so Im ready to power it with 3.3v, what am I looking for? just to see if voltages for other components are what they should be?
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2018-04-06T02:45:41 < upgrdman> listen for a BANG
2018-04-06T02:45:58 < rajkosto> use a low current maximum weak dc2dc ?
2018-04-06T02:46:01 < upgrdman> and ya, check the raisl
2018-04-06T02:46:05 < rajkosto> so it doesnt go bang ?
2018-04-06T02:47:28 < kakimir> try to use it
2018-04-06T02:47:47 < Rob235> the led on the sd card reader is all dying like
2018-04-06T02:47:49 < upgrdman> i remember a mistake i made when i was an intern. one of out shit designs used the same connector for power and for connecting to a device. hooked up the cables swapped. little LM317 fucking exploded immediately.
2018-04-06T02:48:04 < upgrdman> turns out i fed it 96V AC
2018-04-06T02:48:50 < upgrdman> part of the silicon die was still on the TO220, i never found the rest
2018-04-06T02:49:35  * karlp deliberately reversed polarity with 40A today :)
2018-04-06T02:52:11 < kakimir> sleep>
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2018-04-06T03:13:01 < rajkosto> apparently the TS100 digital OLED DC5525 soldering iron station on banggood is really good ?
2018-04-06T03:15:39 < rajkosto> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MDTO6X7 includes the power supply ?
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2018-04-06T03:35:38 < steverrrr_> Owesome appearance, exquisite inside!
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2018-04-06T04:00:28 < Lux> rajkosto: it's pretty nice
2018-04-06T04:01:21 < Lux> but probably no psu included, just get a barrel plug and solder some nice silicone wire to it
2018-04-06T04:01:31 < rajkosto> that amazon link is 68$ not 50$
2018-04-06T04:01:32 < Lux> and I'd use a 24V psu
2018-04-06T04:01:33 < rajkosto> so it should have it
2018-04-06T04:02:32 < Lux> that'll work i guess
2018-04-06T04:02:46 < rajkosto> Package List:
2018-04-06T04:02:46 < rajkosto> TS100 controllor (black color) ×1
2018-04-06T04:02:46 < rajkosto> B2 Soldering Tip ×1
2018-04-06T04:02:46 < rajkosto> 19V US Standard Power Supply ×1
2018-04-06T04:03:40 < Lux> looks like it got cheaper
2018-04-06T04:03:51 < Lux> remeber buying it from banggood for like 55 usd
2018-04-06T04:04:36 < Lux> or 60
2018-04-06T04:06:00 < Lux> I'd get a stand too while you are at it
2018-04-06T04:10:02 < rajkosto> now we need similarily cheap hto air station
2018-04-06T04:10:19 < rajkosto> that isnt just clones of clones of clones that will burn your house down (like what 858D+ are now, they might have been consistent in 2012-2013 but not anymore)
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2018-04-06T04:19:29 < Rob235> ugh, can you use anything besides teensyduino with teensy?
2018-04-06T04:19:54 < Rob235> arm cortex m4
2018-04-06T04:20:00 < Rob235> stuffz
2018-04-06T04:33:14 < englishman> <3 ts100
2018-04-06T04:39:33 < dongs> karlp: new non-gaymer chipset, which is what you use if you have non-K proc
2018-04-06T04:39:46 < dongs> intel only released Z370 trash at first to rape users of $
2018-04-06T04:41:29 < dongs> but looks like someone already handled that answer for y ou
2018-04-06T04:52:15 < dongs> ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rRRvgjLjZU what the fuck is a point of this
2018-04-06T04:53:08 < rajkosto> dongs, helps i ran out of space to length match https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-04-06_03-53-05.png
2018-04-06T04:53:17 < dongs> lol
2018-04-06T04:54:59 < Cracki_> use moar layers
2018-04-06T04:55:07 < rajkosto> if i had layers it wouldnt be a problem
2018-04-06T04:55:43 < Cracki_> I see 2. is anything under the red layer where you have traces already?
2018-04-06T04:55:53 < rajkosto> no
2018-04-06T04:56:00 < rajkosto> has to be ground obviously on the other side
2018-04-06T04:56:09 < Cracki_> eh, ground is overrated
2018-04-06T04:56:16 < rajkosto> for 100 or 200MHz 8bit parallel bus ?
2018-04-06T04:56:23 < Cracki_> >_>
2018-04-06T04:57:09 < Cracki_> how come these pairs are of such unequal length?
2018-04-06T04:57:16 < rajkosto> theres no pairs
2018-04-06T04:57:29 < Cracki_> ok whatever bus you have to match there
2018-04-06T04:57:32 < dongs> why the fuck some of the traces make loops
2018-04-06T04:57:36 < dongs> the fuck is going on there
2018-04-06T04:57:38 < Cracki_> do these lines come out of the package on arbitrary sides?
2018-04-06T04:57:50 < rajkosto> you mean why didnt i route them all on the top ?
2018-04-06T04:57:59 < rajkosto> it was just more convenient to do it on the other side for the blue ones
2018-04-06T04:58:04 < rajkosto> via reasons
2018-04-06T04:58:06 < Cracki_> I mean how stupid must that IC be to make you do this
2018-04-06T04:58:11 < rajkosto> not an IC
2018-04-06T04:58:17 < Cracki_> connector then
2018-04-06T04:58:18 < rajkosto> adapter of 2 connectors with very different pinouts
2018-04-06T04:58:36 < Cracki_> so the pinouts are shit?
2018-04-06T04:59:22 < rajkosto> both were made to be easy to route for whatever they were used in
2018-04-06T04:59:26 < englishman> make it flexi and use 3 layers, then you can also use single sided assy
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2018-04-06T05:00:21 < rajkosto> i dont have the 12$ on my paypal that it would take to fab on dirtypcbs standard
2018-04-06T05:00:26 < rajkosto> let alone whatever a custom flexi would cost
2018-04-06T05:02:01 < englishman> flexi is so cheap you can fill piñatas with custom chinese flexis and still be cheaper than a mexican
2018-04-06T05:02:44 < Cracki_> you fill your pinatas with mexicans?
2018-04-06T05:04:22 < rajkosto> also this cant be flexi as it has to hold the pcb thats on top of it
2018-04-06T05:05:00 < rajkosto> dongs so upset about ground traces i placed to be a fence looping into eachother
2018-04-06T05:06:50 < Cracki_> I'm interested in knowing some cheap flexi pcb makers
2018-04-06T05:07:15 < Cracki_> just googled and found one that quoted me 3 figures for a 2x2 inch 2layer
2018-04-06T05:09:02 < dongs> lol
2018-04-06T05:09:12 < dongs> i let chinagirl handle that shit. their stuff is cheap as fuck
2018-04-06T05:09:37 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/m1F3OgK.jpg this was 180? bucks for 20 including assembly and those sockets
2018-04-06T05:10:07 < dongs> i remember flexpcb started at like $500 base price years ago so this is quite an improvement
2018-04-06T05:10:37 < rajkosto> via drill size is basically nothing on those, huh
2018-04-06T05:10:43 < dongs> 0.15mm
2018-04-06T05:10:47 < dongs> and 5/5 track standard
2018-04-06T05:10:53 < dongs> so yu can do some high spec shit
2018-04-06T05:11:04 < rajkosto> 2 much moni
2018-04-06T05:11:31 < dongs> k
2018-04-06T05:11:41 < dongs> i hope your emmc dick-out works
2018-04-06T05:12:03 < dongs> i mean i secretly hope it doesn't but yanno
2018-04-06T05:12:09 < rajkosto> probably will
2018-04-06T05:12:15 < rajkosto> i mean anythign seems to work just radiates tons of EMC
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2018-04-06T05:12:49 < rajkosto> i read that text as EXTENDING DONG
2018-04-06T05:17:44 < dongs> dongul8
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2018-04-06T05:34:59 < stvn> dongmark
2018-04-06T05:38:12 < Cracki_> like reichsmark, but with dongs instead of heads on the coins and bills
2018-04-06T05:43:00 < aandrew> lol
2018-04-06T05:43:13 < aandrew> gives new meaning to "heads"
2018-04-06T05:49:31 < blacktronics> Dongsmark?
2018-04-06T05:50:44 < Cracki_> the mark of the dong. a sigil on every pcb
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2018-04-06T06:02:28 < aandrew> dongs is known to put dickbutt on hsi pcbs
2018-04-06T06:05:03 < rajkosto> he does it on the soldermask, not on the overlay
2018-04-06T06:05:07 < rajkosto> so it's got pristine resolution
2018-04-06T06:06:24 < upgrdman> when does microsoft release new surfaces? summer?
2018-04-06T06:06:24 < dongs> uh
2018-04-06T06:06:32 < dongs> my PCBs have high resoution silk
2018-04-06T06:06:35 < dongs> not that china faggot shit
2018-04-06T06:06:37 < rajkosto> what the fuck is a surface
2018-04-06T06:06:49 < rajkosto> dongs, yeah but then someone could still scratch out the dong mark without damage
2018-04-06T06:06:53 < upgrdman> rajkosto, surface pro, surface book
2018-04-06T06:06:55 < dongs> upgrdman: fuck surface, if youre a faggot just get the new xps15 end of april
2018-04-06T06:06:58 < dongs> i9 and 1050ti
2018-04-06T06:07:01 < dongs> and 4k screen
2018-04-06T06:07:05 < upgrdman> oh fuck yes
2018-04-06T06:07:06 < upgrdman> link?
2018-04-06T06:07:18 < dongs> http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/dell-xps-15-2018-core-i9-3442841
2018-04-06T06:07:25 < dongs> not on dell.com until apr 16 or someshit
2018-04-06T06:07:36 < dongs> but fuck surface, just get that sht
2018-04-06T06:09:18 < upgrdman> hmm
2018-04-06T06:09:20 < upgrdman> tempting
2018-04-06T06:09:30 < upgrdman> but i REALLY like the tablet form factor
2018-04-06T06:09:31 < rajkosto> can you get that shit... BONELESS ?
2018-04-06T06:09:33 < aandrew> heh
2018-04-06T06:10:13 < upgrdman> my surface pro 4 is so god damn convenient for reading books.
2018-04-06T06:10:23 < englishman> dont all laptops fold back on themselves and become tablets now?
2018-04-06T06:10:26 < englishman> if you want that sort of thing
2018-04-06T06:10:33 < upgrdman> and when on a plane, i can actually read pdfs for >14 hours
2018-04-06T06:10:47 < upgrdman> (in airplane mode, no rf, and backlight at min)
2018-04-06T06:11:07 < upgrdman> englishman, but then its thick as fuck and heavy
2018-04-06T06:11:19 < upgrdman> not so good for handholding on the couch etc
2018-04-06T06:11:43 < dongs> lol tablets fucking faggot shit
2018-04-06T06:11:59 < dongs> apple fucking destroyed laptops for several years
2018-04-06T06:12:31 < upgrdman> ya lets hope other corps dont get too much Courage and drop USB-A ports and headphone jacks
2018-04-06T06:14:01 < dongs> this x360 13 is pretty good. 4k/16gb/i7-8th gen. it does have the useless foldback mode but i dont care for that
2018-04-06T06:14:10 < dongs> around 1kg
2018-04-06T06:14:17 < dongs> i sold my xps15 shit was too heavy for travel
2018-04-06T06:16:39 < upgrdman> <dongs> upgrdman: fuck surface, if youre a faggot just get the new xps15 end of april
2018-04-06T06:16:44 < upgrdman> <dongs> i sold my xps15 shit was too heavy for travel
2018-04-06T06:16:47 < upgrdman> you faggot
2018-04-06T06:17:04 < upgrdman> "it's shit, you should buy it"
2018-04-06T06:17:06 < aandrew> my 11" air is awesome for travel.
2018-04-06T06:17:26 < aandrew> i7 and 8G it's powerful enough even 6y on
2018-04-06T06:18:00 < dongs> upgrdman: i dont know where you go to but i dont need to lug 2kg of stuff when carryon baggage limit is like 7kg and i have no checked baggage
2018-04-06T06:18:16 < upgrdman> ya exactly
2018-04-06T06:18:20 < upgrdman> i dont want some heavy shit
2018-04-06T06:18:25 < dongs> i mean good luck buying i9 surface
2018-04-06T06:18:26 < upgrdman> thats part of why tablets are nice
2018-04-06T06:18:29 < dongs> for $3000
2018-04-06T06:18:33 < dongs> with one usb port
2018-04-06T06:18:46 < dongs> and bullshit paper keyboard
2018-04-06T06:18:56 < dongs> no, thats part of whty tablets are fucking useless
2018-04-06T06:19:02 < upgrdman> i use my surface bro with a dock.
2018-04-06T06:19:09 < upgrdman> mechanical keyboard, dell 4k monitor, etc.
2018-04-06T06:19:16 < dongs> yeah so did i, and now i need to figure out hwo to sell that shit cuz nobody wants it
2018-04-06T06:19:29 < dongs> its a fucking chore to use
2018-04-06T06:19:33 < dongs> also garbage intel gfx
2018-04-06T06:19:43 < upgrdman> ya the gpu is a lil weak
2018-04-06T06:20:26 < upgrdman> thats why the surface book is tempting me. tablet, and when docked, it has a gtx1060
2018-04-06T06:20:37 < upgrdman> but im not gonna buy the current one
2018-04-06T06:20:45 < upgrdman> might as well see what the next one will be
2018-04-06T06:25:12 < dongs> It's 2018, Donald Trump is in your White House and @sarahjeong is reading from the same page of talking points as r/KotakuInAction and 4chan on this. Time to accept the timeline is broken and we're in the shitty one.
2018-04-06T06:25:16 < dongs> haha
2018-04-06T06:25:19 < dongs> botwu
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2018-04-06T06:29:50 < upgrdman_> does windows provide an easy way to copy files between devices on a network? wifi or bt
2018-04-06T06:29:58 < dongs> . what
2018-04-06T06:30:04 < upgrdman_> other than a full network share thinggy
2018-04-06T06:30:07 < dongs> you mean fucking standard smb file sharing?
2018-04-06T06:30:12 < upgrdman_> like can i just offer a folder to a device?
2018-04-06T06:30:13 < dongs> whats wrong wiht that
2018-04-06T06:30:18 < dongs> yes, share the fuckign thing
2018-04-06T06:30:21 < dongs> right click/sharing/wahtever
2018-04-06T06:30:26 < dongs> \\pcname\fagfolder
2018-04-06T06:30:28 < dongs> on remote
2018-04-06T06:30:28 < dongs> done
2018-04-06T06:30:34 < upgrdman_> hmm k
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2018-04-06T06:31:55 < dongs> i think they might have gayed it up in recent windows, so might need to go to folder options/disable 'use simple file sharing'
2018-04-06T06:32:06 < dongs> unless you find that simpler, but no idea what that shit looks like as its first thing I disable
2018-04-06T06:33:02 < dongs> [ ] use sharing wiazard (recommended)
2018-04-06T06:33:14 < dongs> how about: no
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2018-04-06T07:31:26 < dongs> any git faggots around
2018-04-06T07:31:45 < dongs> if I started working on some shit and branched
2018-04-06T07:31:52 < dongs> and i wanna let that shit go for now and work on something else
2018-04-06T07:32:01 < dongs> do i checkout the shit before branch and do stuff
2018-04-06T07:32:11 < dongs> will it fucking work correrectly later?
2018-04-06T07:32:18 < dongs> or do i have oto do faggot shit
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2018-04-06T07:32:30 < rajkosto> commit to the branch
2018-04-06T07:32:33 < rajkosto> checkout a different branch
2018-04-06T07:32:41 < rajkosto> you can switch back to the branch any time
2018-04-06T07:32:59 < rajkosto> (by checking that one out)
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2018-04-06T07:34:17 < dongs> Are you sure you want to switch your working copy to the branch 'master'?
2018-04-06T07:34:18 < dongs> [OK] [Cancel]
2018-04-06T07:34:25 < dongs> does this imply some data loss or someshit
2018-04-06T07:34:58 < rajkosto> yes if you didnt commit
2018-04-06T07:35:09 < rajkosto> i think it doesnt let you if you have unsaved changes though
2018-04-06T07:35:17 < rajkosto> also [OK] [Cancel]
2018-04-06T07:35:19 < rajkosto> > using a gui client ?!
2018-04-06T07:35:21 < englishman> it sounds like you are not using sorestree
2018-04-06T07:35:33 < rajkosto> i use git bash and tortoise git
2018-04-06T07:35:36 < englishman> haha
2018-04-06T07:35:38 < rajkosto> sourcetree was just annoying to have open
2018-04-06T07:35:47 < rajkosto> and unintuitive ui
2018-04-06T07:35:51 < englishman> its not 1981 anymore
2018-04-06T07:36:03 < rajkosto> some things in git only work via the cmdline
2018-04-06T07:36:09 < englishman> i dont need a textmode rpg to guide me around
2018-04-06T07:36:17 < rajkosto> like i dont even know how you make a new branch if not git checkout -b newbranchname
2018-04-06T07:36:27 < rajkosto> for some of the more complicated ones, tortoisegit helps a lot
2018-04-06T07:36:35 < englishman> get lamp
2018-04-06T07:36:49 < rajkosto> and doing shit like viewing diffs and logs, why would you do that in cmdline
2018-04-06T07:37:07 < dongs> < rajkosto> and doing shit like actual work, why would you do that in cmdline
2018-04-06T07:37:08 < dongs> ftfy
2018-04-06T07:37:10 < rajkosto> tortoisegit minimal and decent enough without going to sprawling trees like sourcetree
2018-04-06T07:37:25 < rajkosto> KDiff sucks though, i use beyond cumpare
2018-04-06T07:37:44 < rajkosto> (KDiff is what it uses if you dont set up anything else)
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2018-04-06T07:38:02 < dongs> wut
2018-04-06T07:38:08 < dongs> this is windows right
2018-04-06T07:38:08 < rajkosto> also, the github windows client is THE WORST THING EVER MADE FOR GIT
2018-04-06T07:38:14 < rajkosto> why did they think that was ever a good idea
2018-04-06T07:38:15 < dongs> why would any GayApp be used on windows
2018-04-06T07:38:29 < dongs> oh yeah shithub client was a complete fucking disaster
2018-04-06T07:38:35 < dongs> that actually caused me to lose a bunch of code
2018-04-06T07:38:38 < dongs> because retarded fucking UI
2018-04-06T07:38:49 < dongs> i had to get the fucking code out of assembler listings
2018-04-06T07:38:52 < dongs> after keiling it up
2018-04-06T07:39:02 < rajkosto> at least sourcetree is useable but why would i want a window when i can context menu with tortoisegit
2018-04-06T07:39:26 < rajkosto> (doesnt help that i used tortoisesvn before git was even a twinkle in linus' eye)
2018-04-06T07:39:52 < englishman> sjwhub app was better off not existing at all
2018-04-06T07:40:18 < rajkosto> git makes way more sense than SVN ever did too
2018-04-06T07:40:21 < rajkosto> except cherry picking
2018-04-06T07:40:25 < rajkosto> cherry picking is always a disaster
2018-04-06T07:40:27 < rajkosto> (rebasing, whatever)
2018-04-06T07:41:50 < dongs> english, nigger
2018-04-06T07:42:08 < dongs> the only "cherry picking" that I know in english is when shit's in my mouth after some work
2018-04-06T07:42:24 < dongs> i dont know (and probably dnt wanna know)what the fuck that means in shithub terms
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2018-04-06T07:42:40 < dongs> like, trying to do anything with git that isnt simple single user linear source control ends up with a disaster
2018-04-06T07:42:51 < dongs> everytime some fag here tries to branch or works on same file as someone else
2018-04-06T07:42:55 < dongs> its all fucked to hell after
2018-04-06T07:42:57 < dongs> errors after rerors
2018-04-06T07:43:08 < dongs> fucking retarded lunix toreballs for creating unusable shit
2018-04-06T07:43:40 < dongs> i got this branch thing made but i bet its gonna fucking fail when i try to combine it with current work
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2018-04-06T07:44:24 < rajkosto> umm
2018-04-06T07:44:32 < rajkosto> you might be retartet or dont know the concepts of git
2018-04-06T07:44:45 < rajkosto> and it has nothing to do with github ? github proprietary shit is issues and pull requests
2018-04-06T07:45:30 < rajkosto> only thing that makes you lose work is git reset --hard
2018-04-06T07:45:37 < rajkosto> everything else complains if you have unstaged changes
2018-04-06T07:46:06 < rajkosto> and cherry-picking/rebasing is merging multiple commits/injecting a commit between others before pushing to origin server, for a nice clean history
2018-04-06T07:46:44 < rajkosto> otherwise, if you have worked on a "stale" branch and you finally push to the master one, it will have to make another commit after the merge commit, to get things up to speed
2018-04-06T07:47:27 < rajkosto> also, using beyondcompare instead of the default differ makes conflict resolution so much easier when it cant fast-forward
2018-04-06T07:47:35 < rajkosto> the default differ/patcher is pretty braindead
2018-04-06T07:48:13 < rajkosto> enough ranting, its off-topic :P
2018-04-06T07:56:56 < dongs> i wish i had any fucking idea what you just said
2018-04-06T07:57:05 < dongs> you literally fucking lost me
2018-04-06T07:57:17 < dongs> from like 5th line down
2018-04-06T07:57:39 < rajkosto> i just burst a nurst
2018-04-06T07:57:47 < rajkosto> (thanks fred durst)
2018-04-06T07:57:51 < dongs> nice clean git history = one person committing to one place at a time
2018-04-06T07:58:08 < rajkosto> nope, it absolutely works with merges with more people if they know wtf they are doing
2018-04-06T07:58:31 < rajkosto> otherwise they work on stale branch, try to push, it says remote server has commits they dont have
2018-04-06T07:58:32 < dongs> it doesnt even work if 2 same peopel are changing different (unrelatd) parts of same file
2018-04-06T07:58:33 < rajkosto> so they pull
2018-04-06T07:58:37 < dongs> it immediately shits itself
2018-04-06T07:58:51 < rajkosto> which makes a merge commit to get the stale branch up to master
2018-04-06T07:58:58 < rajkosto> then they push 2 commits instead of 1 as they normally would
2018-04-06T07:59:42 < rajkosto> conflict resolution is weird when you have a good differ, because git will open the conflict dialog, you will open the conflict file (in the good differ), the good differ will figure everything out, and you can just click save and mark conflict as resolved
2018-04-06T08:00:44 < dongs> holy fuck im falling asleep at this office
2018-04-06T08:00:53 < rajkosto> im falling asleep right now, good night
2018-04-06T08:02:31 < rajkosto> why are people shitting themselves over "apple to stop using intel cpus"
2018-04-06T08:02:47 < rajkosto> who givs a fuck ? finally they will have their own little iOS walled garden and stop infecting PCs
2018-04-06T08:03:01 < rajkosto> with their overheating, shitty low power hardware
2018-04-06T08:05:42 < englishman> aapl probably employs more american silicon engineers than intel
2018-04-06T08:05:49 < dongs> wait what
2018-04-06T08:06:14 < dongs> ahahahahah
2018-04-06T08:06:18 < dongs> design in house
2018-04-06T08:06:21 < dongs> fucking retards
2018-04-06T08:06:50 < rajkosto> THE A8 CHIP HAS THE POWER OF A WHOLE LAPTOP
2018-04-06T08:06:53 < rajkosto> yeah maybe a core 2 duo from 2005
2018-04-06T08:06:59 < englishman> why? nothing that you need to do on a macbook needs more than an arm a7 has to offer
2018-04-06T08:07:10 < rajkosto> GOOD
2018-04-06T08:07:10 < dongs> ^ literally this
2018-04-06T08:07:17 < rajkosto> let them have their facebook browsing machines
2018-04-06T08:07:26 < rajkosto> stop lumping them in with pcs
2018-04-06T08:08:09 < dongs> so they're gonna downgrade to ARM?
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2018-04-06T08:08:25 < rajkosto> what else ?
2018-04-06T08:08:26 < dongs> i guess hte goal will be running ifaggot apps on something that resembles a laptop?
2018-04-06T08:08:27 < rajkosto> licence ryzen cores ?
2018-04-06T08:08:30 < dongs> well who knows
2018-04-06T08:08:32 < dongs> make their own x86
2018-04-06T08:08:35 < rajkosto> cant
2018-04-06T08:08:36 < rajkosto> patented.
2018-04-06T08:08:47 < englishman> x86 is dead
2018-04-06T08:08:54 < dongs> meltdown'd
2018-04-06T08:08:59 < dongs> i downloaded inspectre
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2018-04-06T08:09:06 < dongs> and disabled fagdwn and skptre protections
2018-04-06T08:09:13 < dongs> thankfully windows provides a registry key for it or something
2018-04-06T08:09:15 < rajkosto> it makes drivers go BSOD'y
2018-04-06T08:09:18 < dongs> but i was too lazy to look it up
2018-04-06T08:09:19 < rajkosto> the KPTI
2018-04-06T08:09:29 < dongs> well i dont care now that its disabled
2018-04-06T08:09:32 < rajkosto> but now
2018-04-06T08:09:34 < dongs> have yet to experience any issues.
2018-04-06T08:09:37 < rajkosto> hackers can steal your social security number !
2018-04-06T08:09:48 < dongs> from what, me chatting on irc?
2018-04-06T08:09:56 < dongs> go ahead and commence stealing please
2018-04-06T08:12:15 < stvn> I’m on the dole
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2018-04-06T08:46:39 < dongs> 3. Spoof a VoIP call in China and say "I have a machine gun and will kill everyone" an hour later two guys with giant forks will show up. But there's a lot of stuff you can say, or post on social media that will elicit a very, very serious fast response.
2018-04-06T09:00:59 < dongs> zyp: 120pcs of PCB for arcin. so I'll make a list of parts for that many.
2018-04-06T09:01:07 < dongs> (actually counted
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2018-04-06T09:36:22 < zyp> ok
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2018-04-06T09:42:06 < dongs> china is on holiiday until sunday
2018-04-06T09:42:09 < dongs> so nothing until there
2018-04-06T09:42:15 < dongs> ill have an invoice on monday or somethign i gues from chiangirl
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2018-04-06T09:52:59 < stvn> Penis pumping Donald trumping
2018-04-06T09:53:47 < dongs> yea im fucked now
2018-04-06T09:53:58 < dongs> i did one whitespace change in the driver that i am working on in another branch
2018-04-06T09:54:01 < dongs> the shit will never fucking merge
2018-04-06T09:54:06 < dongs> fuking shithub cancer
2018-04-06T09:54:37 < stvn> Hmm
2018-04-06T09:54:44 < stvn> Work week is over
2018-04-06T09:54:53 < dongs> definitely
2018-04-06T09:55:05 < dongs> stvn are you following bot-wu
2018-04-06T09:55:11 < dongs> much drama in progress
2018-04-06T09:55:13 < stvn> Idkwtf that is
2018-04-06T09:55:25 < dongs> Hey now let's not look too closely at Vice magazines careful framing of a vicious attack by some hysterical nut-slut who's no angel on a perfectly innocent Vice-bro who's a good kid and really meant well when burned an extremely vulnerable source for pennies worth of clicks.
2018-04-06T09:55:42 < stvn> Oh that
2018-04-06T09:55:43 < dongs> ^ how many chinks do you know who can write this sentence
2018-04-06T09:55:59 < stvn> Some gaping whore flipped her biscuit
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2018-04-06T09:56:23 < dongs> stvn, stop viciously attacking me
2018-04-06T09:56:30 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-06T09:56:40 < dongs> or i will call the irc nanny police
2018-04-06T09:56:41 < stvn> You’ve been triggered
2018-04-06T09:57:15 < stvn> irc is worth dying for
2018-04-06T09:57:25 < dongs> only if you[re pumping while dying
2018-04-06T09:57:43 < dongs>  i need to resolve this parking situation
2018-04-06T09:57:44 < dongs> holy shit
2018-04-06T09:57:47 < dongs> this fucking town
2018-04-06T09:57:51 < dongs> $1 for 40 minutes
2018-04-06T09:57:59 < dongs> thats gonna be more than i paid for the fucking airbnb
2018-04-06T09:58:06 < dongs> if i actually park there
2018-04-06T09:58:36 < stvn> Do it the Australian way
2018-04-06T09:58:40 < dongs> do tell
2018-04-06T09:58:48 < stvn> Don’t pay for ticket
2018-04-06T09:58:54 < dongs> that doesnt work
2018-04-06T09:58:58 < stvn> Abuse the fuck out of the parking officer
2018-04-06T09:59:09 < stvn> He still gives you a $150 fine
2018-04-06T09:59:12 < stvn> Rage on
2018-04-06T10:03:25 < stvn> I have seen this many times
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2018-04-06T10:11:00 < zyp> dongs, haha, where are you?
2018-04-06T10:11:15 < dongs> zyp, center of fukuoka
2018-04-06T10:11:19 < dongs> fucking place full of kikes
2018-04-06T10:11:43 < Steffanx> Fuk U.
2018-04-06T10:11:47 < dongs> literally.
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2018-04-06T10:12:49 < dongs> this dude brought his PS4 in just to run a firmware update here
2018-04-06T10:12:56 < zyp> wat
2018-04-06T10:12:57 < dongs> its downloading 8 gigs of system update
2018-04-06T10:13:02 < dongs> for like last hour
2018-04-06T10:13:29 < Steffanx> Lol. Wut?
2018-04-06T10:13:34 < dongs> his home internet is probably some LTE shit
2018-04-06T10:13:38 < dongs> wiht 2gb/mnth limit
2018-04-06T10:13:47 < zyp> haha
2018-04-06T10:13:48 < dongs> third worlding it up
2018-04-06T10:14:01 < Steffanx> Them it would be just gprs.
2018-04-06T10:14:12 < Steffanx> Speeds
2018-04-06T10:14:13 < Steffanx> Then*
2018-04-06T10:14:19 < dongs> well, once y ou pass 2GB limit, yes
2018-04-06T10:14:23 < dongs> it drops down to 128kbit
2018-04-06T10:14:36 < dongs> and lowest qos priority after al the paying customers
2018-04-06T10:14:47 < dongs> so in reality its more like 16kbit
2018-04-06T10:15:03 < dongs> did taht once, never again
2018-04-06T10:26:08 < stvn> Sounds shut
2018-04-06T10:26:13 < stvn> Shit
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2018-04-06T11:27:03 < invzim> dongs: got a fav inductor for the tiny switchers?
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2018-04-06T12:01:34 < dongs> https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-05/i-just-discovered-i-owe-irs-50k-i-dont-have-because-i-traded-cryptos
2018-04-06T12:01:40 < dongs> invzim: SWPA3010
2018-04-06T12:01:45 < dongs> or pretty much any 3x3mm thing
2018-04-06T12:02:00 < dongs> theres a ton just pick what you can get from china/whaever
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2018-04-06T12:06:23 < invzim> gracias
2018-04-06T12:06:26 < invzim> https://lcsc.com/products/Power-Inductors_544.html?sourcePage=product_detail&package=3010&Inductance=2.2uH
2018-04-06T12:06:39 < dongs> excrtly
2018-04-06T12:06:47 < invzim> I really like how lcsc makes this game a lot easier
2018-04-06T12:06:54 < dongs> do not get VLF3010
2018-04-06T12:07:00 < dongs> nonstandar footprint
2018-04-06T12:07:04 < dongs> and its been out of production for years
2018-04-06T12:07:11 < dongs> any stock tehy have is likely oxidized to fuck
2018-04-06T12:07:36 < dongs> swpa is there so looks good
2018-04-06T12:16:49 < psprint_> guys what do you think about NXP MCUs?
2018-04-06T12:20:18 < dongs> boring
2018-04-06T12:20:57 < psprint_> well, indeed they might not have features like DCMI and others
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2018-04-06T12:22:10 < psprint_> so looks like i'm condemned to order cheap nucleo boards? maybe other company? I'm not against stm, just would want to diverse a little
2018-04-06T12:22:35 < zyp> psprint_, what's your goal?
2018-04-06T12:22:38 < dongs> do you have a particular application that you require a STM for ?
2018-04-06T12:22:41 < dongs> if yes, then use STM
2018-04-06T12:22:50 < dongs> if not, and NXP does something you need to do, then use NXP
2018-04-06T12:23:10 < dongs> just autistically ordering devboards for no reason/goal seems... counterproductive
2018-04-06T12:23:31 < zyp> but don't we all do that?
2018-04-06T12:23:49 < dongs> well yes
2018-04-06T12:24:13 < psprint_> zyp: room full of electronical decorations, well done, with taste. Already using arduino for 16x32 led matrix, now building something with stm, have some normal leds. So the application: something technical just that ;) like: human voice, ah right I was about to look for embedded solution with acceptable human voice
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2018-04-06T12:25:01 < psprint_> well I like nxp looks and will go into details, maybe they have some useful strong point, Cortex + GPIO might be not enough, but who knows
2018-04-06T12:25:29 < dongs> 32x32 led panels were driven by stm32
2018-04-06T12:25:35 < dongs> Frans-Willem: did it
2018-04-06T12:25:45 < dongs> i donno if he chats here
2018-04-06T12:25:52 < dongs> but gpio is certainly more than enough
2018-04-06T12:25:56 < zyp> most interesting part of LPC IMO is SGPIO/SCT, but I've never gotten to the point of actually using it
2018-04-06T12:26:22 < zyp> i.e. that's the one thing they have that stm32 doesn't
2018-04-06T12:27:04 < dongs> haha i idled on lcsc.com page
2018-04-06T12:27:39 < dongs> and they're telling me i shouldnt go
2018-04-06T12:27:44 < dongs> adn asking if site too ahrd to use
2018-04-06T12:31:39 < stvn> fuck those cunts
2018-04-06T12:32:53 < invzim> dongs: got a 3d/step handy?
2018-04-06T12:33:39 < dongs> invzim: coilcraft matches
2018-04-06T12:33:42 < dongs> and has 3d models
2018-04-06T12:34:15 < invzim> lcsc is awesum, they got all the stuff that's hard to find on ali and stuff you struggle with assembly houses for
2018-04-06T12:34:29 < invzim> roger
2018-04-06T12:36:23 < invzim> like this one, https://lcsc.com/product-detail/Card-Sockets_TF-01A_C91145.html
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2018-04-06T14:11:19 < stvn> wtf is it with people pumping lcsc around freenode
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2018-04-06T14:18:13 < Thorn> lcsc doesn't have cheap stm8 :/
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2018-04-06T14:22:15 < Laurenceb__> sup
2018-04-06T14:22:20 < stvn> hi
2018-04-06T14:22:31 < Laurenceb__> I hate Qt
2018-04-06T14:22:31 < psprint_> Does STM have compact low-power Cortex-M0 board, possibly with arduino compatibility?
2018-04-06T14:22:52 < Laurenceb__> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/35286253/qaudiodeviceinfoavailabledevices-does-not-refresh
2018-04-06T14:22:54 < Laurenceb__> reeeee
2018-04-06T14:24:23 < stvn> ubuntu
2018-04-06T14:24:58 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06_n7YxnoCE
2018-04-06T14:26:14 < psprint_> I'm too exhausted to dive into L4 controlers, can someone hint if they are compact in size, support arduino, are Cortex-M9, eh, just brief characterization
2018-04-06T14:28:44 < psprint_> M0*
2018-04-06T14:28:53 < dongs> > support arduino
2018-04-06T14:28:55 < dongs> gtfo
2018-04-06T14:29:02 < Laurenceb__> so how do I do it?
2018-04-06T14:29:17 < Laurenceb__> how 2 find audio devices
2018-04-06T14:29:21 < psprint_> dongs: cheap proto shields
2018-04-06T14:29:32 < dongs> .
2018-04-06T14:30:20 < dongs> what is out there in retarduino form factor that you look at and go HMMM I WANT THIS NOW
2018-04-06T14:31:02 < dongs> genuine question
2018-04-06T14:31:41 < psprint_> hehe I start to agree, quite yesterday electronics, but just fruitful and I like to switch protoschields switching whole circuit
2018-04-06T14:31:54 < antto> if u haz arduino, u must be a maker
2018-04-06T14:31:59 < antto> and that must be kewl
2018-04-06T14:33:29 < psprint_> and guys from so many companies follow the pins, allowing you to continue/reuse your making hehe
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2018-04-06T14:34:17 < antto> i can't think of anything that i want to do, for which arduino would be a good choice
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2018-04-06T14:39:24 < BrainDamage> dongs: http://gushh.net/tmp/arduinoshield.png
2018-04-06T14:39:34 < stvn> oldtime
2018-04-06T14:39:58 < psprint_> it's like, board can give you a present with pmod connector i.e. 2x16 2.54mm 0.1'', which has reasonable features on pins, or it can give you arduino shield compatibility, or ...
2018-04-06T14:40:12 < psprint_> 2x8*
2018-04-06T14:40:16 < invzim> NJTRST..  Will it mess up booting if I use it as input pin?
2018-04-06T14:42:35 < Thorn> do stm32 support arduino? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRGY-GQX0AERzJO.jpg
2018-04-06T14:43:29 < psprint_> Thorn: yeah, Nucleo boards have arduino connector, and it can be quite largely used, theres Adafruit TFT shield project in Nucleo F7 firmware
2018-04-06T14:44:23 < stvn> Ah duck
2018-04-06T14:44:45 < psprint_> I have led matrix project completely on arduino proto shield, I could just unplug, plug to STMF7, but I have bigger plans for this board hehe
2018-04-06T14:54:34 < tomeaton17> other intern is using arduino for her project. boss just found out the license for arduino products and is not happy lol
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2018-04-06T14:57:52 < psprint_> I just jerk of about connectivity, looking right now on ST-Zio and ST-Morpho connectors on Nucleo-144, I can put 2x8 header(s) into holes of Morpho to have PMod ribbon cable connector, I can place arduino proto shield on top of St-ZIO, and if I don't want too, clever trick provides the same number of pins inside the arduino-compatible ST-Zio, which is nice because I can use jumper wires. Plus original ST
2018-04-06T14:57:54 < psprint_> shields for ST-Zio, I was looking but haven't been impressed, not much, maybe someone had better luck
2018-04-06T15:01:42 < karlp> bad trolling is bad
2018-04-06T15:24:34 < Laurenceb__> is libQt5Multimedia.so.5 opensores?
2018-04-06T15:24:41 < Laurenceb__> if so where is source?
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2018-04-06T15:32:00 < BrainDamage> https://git.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=packages/qt5-multimedia
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2018-04-06T15:43:13 < psprint_> A "Caution:" says the following, and I'm already aware that refers to chip pins. I can get some 5V compatibility of the *board* with GPIO_PULLUP. But probably no *board* compatibility for 5V *input*? "The I/Os of STM32 microcontroller are 3.3V compatible instead of 5V"
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2018-04-06T16:12:40 < Rob235> alexa is telling me theres a 50% chance its gonna rain today while its raining
2018-04-06T16:12:58 < Rob235> stupid girl
2018-04-06T16:14:44 < Laurenceb__> Qt is telling me its a dismal failure
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2018-04-06T16:38:53 < Laurenceb__> why
2018-04-06T16:38:58 < Laurenceb__> why did I try to use Qt...
2018-04-06T16:39:25 < kakimir> Why did chicken cross the road?
2018-04-06T16:43:57 < Laurenceb__> at this rate I'm going to have to use bash scripts to do the actual work
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2018-04-06T17:22:12 < Laurenceb__> https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=knBjq_1522970995
2018-04-06T17:25:01 < sync> ?
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2018-04-06T17:37:30 < Rob235> basic ass question.  If I want to drop my 12v supply to 5v should I use a resistor voltage divider or I'm guessing id be better off using a 5v ubec that I have?
2018-04-06T17:44:18 < invzim> where does to 5v go?
2018-04-06T17:44:36 < Thorn> do you want to connect that 5V to a DMM and sit there admiring the 5.xxxxx display or is it supposed to power something
2018-04-06T17:45:05 < Thorn> if the latter then resistive divider is not a good idea
2018-04-06T17:45:15 < Rob235> the mcu
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2018-04-06T17:45:32 < Rob235> and devices connected to it
2018-04-06T17:46:22 < invzim> to power it?
2018-04-06T17:46:26 < Rob235> yea
2018-04-06T17:46:33 < invzim> then no
2018-04-06T17:46:36 < invzim> nonononono :)
2018-04-06T17:46:38 < Rob235> no what?
2018-04-06T17:46:45 < invzim> don't use a divider
2018-04-06T17:46:51 < Rob235> oh ok, so the ubec will work fine though
2018-04-06T17:47:00 < invzim> not sure what an ubec is
2018-04-06T17:47:58 < Rob235> https://www.amazon.com/Ship-Hobbywing-Switch-mode-UBEC-Lowest/dp/B008ZNWOYY
2018-04-06T17:48:10 < Rob235> something like that
2018-04-06T17:50:10 < Rob235> I have a few left over from when I built my drone
2018-04-06T17:51:20 < invzim> depends on how much power your thingie needs
2018-04-06T17:51:26 < invzim> https://www.banggood.com/Mini-DC-DC-9V12V19V-To-5V3_3V-3A-Buck-Car-Charging-Step-Down-Power-Supply-Module-p-1102272.html?cur_warehouse=CN
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2018-04-06T17:53:06 < Thorn> a divider is not a regulated power supply
2018-04-06T17:54:46 < Rob235> I see
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2018-04-06T17:55:44 < Rob235> I'll use the ubec for now and get some buck converters
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2018-04-06T18:27:00 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6yg4ImnYwA
2018-04-06T18:27:45 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/10EzUAViFgcufNvIE_3JumAkxCZVjLIWr/view?usp=sharing "lipo emulator" connected to BMS work project
2018-04-06T18:27:52 < invzim> maeh, just spend some time making a nice schematic symbol for stm32f103rc only to find out it's more expansive and less capable than stm32f401rc
2018-04-06T18:28:11 < invzim> ANY reason to pick f103?
2018-04-06T18:32:28 < Laurenceb__> muh legacy
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2018-04-06T18:46:46 < karlp> only reason to use f103 is if you're basing your design around buying blue pill boards off aliexpress and are only planning on making a handful of them.
2018-04-06T18:46:52 < karlp> ie, there aren't any.
2018-04-06T18:47:22 < englishman> https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/600x-1%20%289%29.png?itok=CvUZQHiY
2018-04-06T18:47:22 < englishman> lol
2018-04-06T18:48:58 < karlp> I love that they needed a log vertical scale
2018-04-06T18:49:42 < englishman> very professional mspaint forecasting
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2018-04-06T19:21:31 < emeb> It's crazy the price delta between a blue-pill and a bare F103 from DK/Mouser
2018-04-06T19:24:39 < aandrew> yep it's the price of marketing
2018-04-06T19:27:15 < psprint_> what can be done with L4? any distinct about it, besides low-power profile?
2018-04-06T19:27:28 < psprint_> anything*
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2018-04-06T19:42:19 < Laurenceb__> grrr    https://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtmultimedia.git/tree/src/plugins/alsa/qalsaaudiooutput.cpp
2018-04-06T19:42:31 < Laurenceb__> where is the caching
2018-04-06T19:43:45 < Laurenceb__> https://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtmultimedia.git/tree/src/plugins/alsa/qalsaaudiodeviceinfo.cpp
2018-04-06T19:43:49 < Laurenceb__> that file even
2018-04-06T19:48:35 < Laurenceb__> maybe its an issue with alsa itself
2018-04-06T19:54:35 < Laurenceb__> hmm mkaybe I see the issue
2018-04-06T19:54:56 < Laurenceb__> checkSurround(); is used to find the devices once
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2018-04-06T20:48:23 < RebelCoder> Hi guys. what tool can I use to upload/update firmware (I have a .hex file) on one of the STM32 boards from Linux ?
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2018-04-06T20:49:50 < qyx> openocd for example
2018-04-06T20:54:01 < aandrew> RebelCoder: do you mean in field update or jtag/swd update?
2018-04-06T20:54:10 < aandrew> openocd/JLinkExe both work from linux
2018-04-06T20:54:54 < RebelCoder> Yeah, openocd should be good. Thanks !
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2018-04-06T22:06:16 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2018-04-06T22:06:27 < Laurenceb__> alsa functions work to find all my audio devices
2018-04-06T22:06:38 < Laurenceb__> but I cant construct a handle for QAudio
2018-04-06T22:06:40 < Laurenceb__> so much fail
2018-04-06T22:06:48 < Laurenceb__> might as well use alsa + c
2018-04-06T22:07:32 < Laurenceb__> Qt is epin fail
2018-04-06T22:12:06 < qyx> you should Qt more
2018-04-06T22:12:45 < Steffanx> Always blame the tools. you know right?
2018-04-06T22:13:10 < Laurenceb__> so many layers of HAL
2018-04-06T22:13:13 < Laurenceb__> shit sucks
2018-04-06T22:13:36 < Laurenceb__> somehow Qt gives shit like "alsa_input.usb-STMicroelectronics_STM32_Audio_Class_7843732F-00.multichannel-input"
2018-04-06T22:13:54 < Laurenceb__> dunno where it gets all the info.. somehow I have to reimpliment
2018-04-06T22:13:59 < Laurenceb__> prob faster to use bare c
2018-04-06T22:14:58 < Laurenceb__> next step up the HAL ladder needs correct handles or it will fail
2018-04-06T22:16:32 < Laurenceb__> wonder if it would be faster to have the interfaces all in c then only gui in Qt
2018-04-06T22:16:59 < Laurenceb__> tens of thousands of lines and many layers of hal :(
2018-04-06T22:17:35 < kakimir> alsa on STM32?
2018-04-06T22:17:45 < qyx> qt in c?
2018-04-06T22:17:50 < kakimir> what in the name of cuck?
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2018-04-06T22:18:15 < kakimir> QT on stm32.. are you smoking crack?
2018-04-06T22:18:24 < Laurenceb__> kakimir: interfacing with stm32
2018-04-06T22:18:39 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-06T22:18:46 < Laurenceb__> qyx: use c + low level libraries
2018-04-06T22:18:57 < Laurenceb__> rathert than the broken qt hal
2018-04-06T22:20:24 < kakimir> via what you interface them stm32s?
2018-04-06T22:20:42 < Laurenceb__> usb
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2018-04-06T22:24:02 < Laurenceb__> well that was the idea...
2018-04-06T22:25:10 < kakimir> not even serial mode?
2018-04-06T22:25:15 < kakimir> as serial port
2018-04-06T22:25:25 < Laurenceb__> no as audio device
2018-04-06T22:25:27 < Laurenceb__> argggg
2018-04-06T22:25:38 < Laurenceb__> https://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtmultimedia.git/tree/src/plugins/alsa/qalsaaudiodeviceinfo.cpp#n61
2018-04-06T22:25:40 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2018-04-06T22:26:10 < Laurenceb__> no closer to knowing how it gets the weird handles
2018-04-06T22:28:09 < Laurenceb__> everything is in a huge .so file so its close to impossible to debug the actual code
2018-04-06T22:28:16 < Laurenceb__>  s/code/binary
2018-04-06T22:28:35 < blacktronics> I'm usually confused by higher level stuff
2018-04-06T22:28:51 < Laurenceb__> cant see what generates the handles in that "source" repo...
2018-04-06T22:28:58 < Laurenceb__> if it really is the source...
2018-04-06T22:28:59 < blacktronics> Some stuff someone else fabricated fucks with my head more than just going low level
2018-04-06T22:29:02 < Laurenceb__> me too :(
2018-04-06T22:29:15 < Laurenceb__> yeah, I might just go low level + c
2018-04-06T22:29:47 < Laurenceb__> at least I know their high level PC audio device discovery is broken and they have no intention of fixing it
2018-04-06T22:30:05 < blacktronics> Classic
2018-04-06T22:30:13 < Ultrasauce_> its almost like your use case diverges significantly from the intent of the api
2018-04-06T22:30:20 < Ultrasauce_> who woulda thought
2018-04-06T22:30:38 < Laurenceb__> all their other audio shit needs the handle provided by the discovery shit
2018-04-06T22:31:37 < Laurenceb__> <- screwed
2018-04-06T22:31:58 < Ultrasauce_> have i told you to use jack? use jack
2018-04-06T22:32:35 < Laurenceb__> I can easily make it work using audacity + excel/bash config tool to create virtual audio devices
2018-04-06T22:32:41 < Laurenceb__> have to ship it with that :P
2018-04-06T22:33:16 < Ultrasauce_> what do other DAQ systems use?
2018-04-06T22:33:23 < Laurenceb__> right hometime, bbl
2018-04-06T22:33:27 < Laurenceb__> prob labview lol
2018-04-06T22:33:29 < Laurenceb__> cya
2018-04-06T22:34:39 < qyx> labview for example
2018-04-06T22:35:58 < Steffanx> cant methlab do it?
2018-04-06T22:36:01 < Steffanx> or octave.
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2018-04-06T23:17:42 < englishman> dongs: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-post-drone-crash/russian-postal-drone-program-hits-wall-in-debut-idUSKCN1H91B4
2018-04-06T23:20:25 < kakimir> when does our favourite dong wake up?
2018-04-06T23:20:46 < kakimir> in 3hours maybe
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2018-04-06T23:27:10 < kakimir> hmm
2018-04-06T23:27:20 < kakimir> take pillow and blanket to sofa
2018-04-06T23:27:21 < kakimir> nice
2018-04-06T23:30:56 < qyx> lol that $20.000 drone
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2018-04-06T23:36:06 < kakimir> probs just someone with radio controller flying it
2018-04-06T23:38:49 < psprint_> Guys what do you think about this NXP board: https://imgur.com/a/IXQan
2018-04-06T23:39:26 < kakimir> NXP! NXP!
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2018-04-06T23:40:02 < kakimir> Rob235, howe did it go with your fried board?
2018-04-06T23:40:33 < kakimir> was everything in it and connected to it fried?
2018-04-06T23:40:49 < kakimir> and also - get some adjustable PSU
2018-04-06T23:40:54 < kakimir> even very basic china one
2018-04-06T23:41:26 < Ultrasauce_> looks like they saw arduino and were like "hey, grid-offset pin headers are a really great idea"
2018-04-06T23:41:37 < karlp> psprint_: I think you shoudl perhaps consider looking at mbed or something.
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2018-04-06T23:43:23 < Rob235> Im actually hooking it up to another mcu now
2018-04-06T23:43:27 < Rob235> so we will see
2018-04-06T23:43:51 < karlp> thefuck
2018-04-06T23:43:55 < karlp> it's just started snowing again
2018-04-06T23:43:59 < karlp> I was bbqing earlier!
2018-04-06T23:44:03 < kakimir> karlp, where?
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2018-04-06T23:44:09 < kakimir> it's raining in funland
2018-04-06T23:44:13 < kakimir> like.. water
2018-04-06T23:44:20 < kakimir> 2weeks ago it was -20C
2018-04-06T23:46:31 < qyx> is rain unusual in finland?
2018-04-06T23:47:59 < Cracki> >NXP FReeDoM
2018-04-06T23:48:03 < Cracki> muh freedom fries
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2018-04-06T23:49:44 < Steffanx> freescale much
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2018-04-06T23:53:13 < kakimir> qyx, it has been a proper cold dry winter
2018-04-06T23:53:31 < kakimir> not much of that moist shiet
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2018-04-07T00:13:53 < psprint_> Guys I know you have eye on me for my arduino-shields talking, but maybe I'll redeem myself now: what do you think, to buy ethernet shield, obtain 2 ethernet ports on e.g. nucleo-f767ZIT6, connect to a proper network device, I'm not telling to use dramatic promiscuous mode, but basically: gain access to network traffic from a switch-like device. Then: PROCESS those packets in some way, send them back through
2018-04-07T00:13:55 < psprint_> shield ethernet. Good?
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2018-04-07T00:15:51 < qyx> I don't get it
2018-04-07T00:16:04 < psprint_> to tap on network traffic
2018-04-07T00:17:26 < kakimir> makes no sense
2018-04-07T00:17:31 < qyx> still no clue
2018-04-07T00:18:00 < kakimir> there is a lot of hardware that has one or multiple ethernet ports or extendable with ethernet ports
2018-04-07T00:18:06 < qyx> if you want to attach an ethernet shield to a nucleo board to receive ethernet frames, it is surely doable
2018-04-07T00:18:25 < kakimir> with far more superior processing power and everything
2018-04-07T00:18:25 < qyx> using proper shield
2018-04-07T00:18:30 < qyx> idk if there are any
2018-04-07T00:18:42 < kakimir> let's say.. a pc
2018-04-07T00:19:27 < kakimir> if you want to just sniff around there is ready made hardware software out there
2018-04-07T00:19:34 < psprint_> ok I just shared an idea, got excited with cheap STM 200 MHz, cheap arduino shield, ability to alter network traffic, but it would be like hmm, 10k packets per seconds throughput, not much
2018-04-07T00:19:59 < kakimir> it depends what you want to do with those
2018-04-07T00:20:26 < qyx> I hope you are not considering enc28j60 arduino shields
2018-04-07T00:20:30 < qyx> those are 10mbit
2018-04-07T00:21:03 < psprint_> hm right arduino might not have 100 MBit shields, but 200 MHz processing power might not saturate that
2018-04-07T00:21:25 < qyx> I was able to achieve 60mbps on a 72Mhz stm32f1
2018-04-07T00:21:30 < psprint_> I mean: 10MBit, that STM will not saturate it, doing some processing
2018-04-07T00:21:40 < psprint_> ahso, nice
2018-04-07T00:21:43 < qyx> sending ADC data using UDP
2018-04-07T00:21:45 < kakimir> what are your constraints in this project?
2018-04-07T00:22:12 < kakimir> qyx, with static header of course?
2018-04-07T00:22:18 < qyx> no, lwip
2018-04-07T00:22:33 < qyx> and chibios
2018-04-07T00:22:44 < kakimir> well that is what UDP is for
2018-04-07T00:22:45 < psprint_> kakimir: price, I don't know FPGA, have much time
2018-04-07T00:22:57 < kakimir> how about size and power consumption?
2018-04-07T00:23:28 < qyx> still I don't really understand what does psprint_ want to do
2018-04-07T00:23:34 < kakimir> you have or have not much time?
2018-04-07T00:23:35 < psprint_> they are free, it's user project
2018-04-07T00:23:39 < psprint_> have
2018-04-07T00:23:43 < kakimir> qyx, play
2018-04-07T00:23:47 < qyx> it seems to me like "hey, cool mcu, I'd like to do SOMETHING"
2018-04-07T00:24:29 < kakimir> I would look something more router like hardware
2018-04-07T00:24:44 < kakimir> running lwip on linux and playing with it there
2018-04-07T00:24:48 < psprint_> I have an use case for this, but it's security (good stuff), so it's not comfortable to talk about it
2018-04-07T00:25:11 < Ultrasauce_> perfect industry to implement a snake oil product
2018-04-07T00:25:26 < qyx> ok, not going to continue
2018-04-07T00:25:32 < karlp> if you're not going to talk about what you want to do, how about you jsut fuck off?
2018-04-07T00:25:46 < qyx> not talikng about security is the worst thing you can do security-wise
2018-04-07T00:26:05 < psprint_> ok I already bothered you much with arduino shields today, going, bye
2018-04-07T00:26:06 < kakimir> psprint_, actually start with linux pc and then scale it down
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2018-04-07T00:26:19 < qyx> pff
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2018-04-07T00:27:03 < qyx> are we too grumpy?
2018-04-07T00:27:10 < ffffffffffffffff> ya
2018-04-07T00:27:14 < kakimir> maybe
2018-04-07T00:27:59 < ffffffffffffffff> karlp is rude
2018-04-07T00:28:20 < qyx> understandably
2018-04-07T00:28:29 < ffffffffffffffff> it takes all kinds of fruits to make a fruit cup
2018-04-07T00:29:01 < ffffffffffffffff> sorry that was the cat
2018-04-07T00:29:06 < Steffanx> Dont bully this poor lad.
2018-04-07T00:29:41 < kakimir> but that "I have a use case for this and it's really good and not going to tell you" is just worn bullshit
2018-04-07T00:30:04 < Steffanx> I love you kakimir
2018-04-07T00:30:08 < ffffffffffffffff> I have a business idea, it's gonna make us rich, I just need you to do the brogramming
2018-04-07T00:30:09 < Ultrasauce_> how do i implement this thing i am not going to specify to any degree
2018-04-07T00:30:20 < ffffffffffffffff> also I need you to sign this NDA first
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2018-04-07T00:31:07 < Steffanx> You know its much more fun to make fun of people when theyre actually here ..
2018-04-07T00:31:24 < ffffffffffffffff> it's uber for cats
2018-04-07T00:31:47 < Ultrasauce_> guys i hear that steffanx guy is dumb
2018-04-07T00:31:54 < ffffffffffffffff> airbnb for your butt
2018-04-07T00:32:04 < stvn> pump pump
2018-04-07T00:32:18 < Steffanx> I know, Ultrasauce_ . Does that undumb him?
2018-04-07T00:33:08 < ffffffffffffffff> I heard people with underscores in their names aren't getting into heaven\
2018-04-07T00:33:50 < Ultrasauce_> at least I don't use the same character more than twice
2018-04-07T00:33:51 < Steffanx> Awh.
2018-04-07T00:34:04 < Steffanx> Yes you do.
2018-04-07T00:34:16 < Steffanx> U...u, ...a...a...
2018-04-07T00:34:47 < ffffffffffffffff> he said more than twice dummy
2018-04-07T00:35:01 < ffffffffffffffff> the pecking order is clear here
2018-04-07T00:35:05 < Steffanx> Oh yeah. I guess Steffanx is dumb.
2018-04-07T00:35:47 < Steffanx> How are you ffffffffffffffff ?
2018-04-07T00:35:51 < Ultrasauce_> ok I have a Laurenceb-tier audio question
2018-04-07T00:35:59 < Steffanx> Qt.
2018-04-07T00:36:12 < stvn> the pumping order
2018-04-07T00:36:38 < Ultrasauce_> I've got a transformer here with 3 leads on both sides, but the middle ones are not taps but instead have apparently no continuity to the others
2018-04-07T00:36:52 < Ultrasauce_> and I'm very confused by this
2018-04-07T00:37:00 < Steffanx> stvn i choose you.
2018-04-07T00:37:07 < Steffanx> Help Ultrasauce_.
2018-04-07T00:37:16 < stvn> hey everybody! i'm looking at gay porno!
2018-04-07T00:37:39 < ffffffffffffffff> I'm gr8 howru
2018-04-07T00:37:51 < stvn> Ultrasauce_: flying leads that connect to nothing?
2018-04-07T00:38:45 < Ultrasauce_> it's from an audio balun and they're connected to the grounds on both sides
2018-04-07T00:39:04 < Ultrasauce_> I guess it could just be a shield wound around the other windings
2018-04-07T00:39:04 < stvn> shields i guess
2018-04-07T00:39:12 < stvn> yeah that's all i can guess
2018-04-07T00:39:52 < stvn> i havent used baluns for audio since i can remember tbh
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2018-04-07T00:41:21 < Steffanx> Im sleepy, ffffffffffffffff.
2018-04-07T00:41:54 < stvn> why
2018-04-07T00:42:06 < ffffffffffffffff> have you tried medical marijuana
2018-04-07T00:42:15 < stvn> dont have it here
2018-04-07T00:42:23 < stvn> i've tried normal marijuana of course
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2018-04-07T00:42:48 < ffffffffffffffff> it's the same marijuana but you can use the medical stuff at work
2018-04-07T00:43:05 < Steffanx> I dont do drugs.
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2018-04-07T00:43:10 < ffffffffffffffff> if you work with stm32s atleast
2018-04-07T00:43:21 < ffffffffffffffff> do you try them?
2018-04-07T00:43:59 < Laurenceb_> supp
2018-04-07T00:44:05 < Laurenceb_> ><Steffanx> cant methlab do it?
2018-04-07T00:44:08 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2018-04-07T00:44:13 < Laurenceb_> not another methlab gui
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2018-04-07T00:44:45 < Ultrasauce_> my question there was more along the lines of....what does methlab use with a commercial daq system
2018-04-07T00:45:04 < Laurenceb_> Ultrasauce_: NI VISA
2018-04-07T00:45:28 < qyx> why dont you use labview with ni visa
2018-04-07T00:45:36 < Laurenceb_> overcomplex nasty
2018-04-07T00:45:45 < Ultrasauce_> i imagine you could be done by now if you'd used just libusb and bulk or isochronous transfers
2018-04-07T00:45:47 < qyx> or c# or c++ or whatever
2018-04-07T00:46:05 < Laurenceb_> yeah I should prob use low level shit
2018-04-07T00:46:20 < Ultrasauce_> there is just way too much going on in the audio stack that you'll never get control over
2018-04-07T00:46:35 < Rob235> awesome sauce
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2018-04-07T00:46:53 < Ultrasauce_> wb
2018-04-07T00:47:09 < Rob235> my stepper drivers and shits didnt fry, thank god
2018-04-07T00:48:07 < kakimir> how about the lpc?
2018-04-07T00:48:09 < Rob235> kakimir leave?
2018-04-07T00:48:09 < Steffanx> God wasnt involved.
2018-04-07T00:48:16 < Rob235> there is no god
2018-04-07T00:48:23 < Rob235> I was thanking myself
2018-04-07T00:48:51 < Laurenceb_> Bushword adventures is unironically the most epin cartoon evar
2018-04-07T00:48:55 < Rob235> lpc not sure, but the shift registers, multiplexer and stepper drivers are good
2018-04-07T00:49:18 < stvn> where did fffff go
2018-04-07T00:49:40 < Rob235> got it running on a teensy 3.2 I had lying around, even still used mbed so I didnt have to change my code other than pin names
2018-04-07T00:51:35 < Laurenceb_> stvn: u would like it
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2018-04-07T01:02:34 < upgrdman> :)  https://i.redd.it/goj0hd92cbq01.gif
2018-04-07T01:04:18 < stvn> Laurenceb_: what would i like
2018-04-07T01:13:43 < sync> haha upgrdman
2018-04-07T01:18:23 < Laurenceb_> st-whatisgoogle-vn
2018-04-07T01:18:59 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6yg4ImnYwA
2018-04-07T01:26:50 < stvn> lol
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2018-04-07T01:30:38 < Laurenceb_> its like they made a cartoon about muh family
2018-04-07T01:32:17 < Laurenceb_> QtUSB seems to be a thing
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2018-04-07T01:40:07 < Laurenceb_> lel libusb looks about as complex as QAudio shit
2018-04-07T01:40:26 < Laurenceb_> only I'm guessing the developers will actually agree to maintain it on something other than fandroid
2018-04-07T01:44:25 < Laurenceb_> u live in uk ?
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2018-04-07T01:46:22 < Laurenceb_> kek
2018-04-07T01:46:41 < Laurenceb_> I just walked past a ladyboy convention on my way home from wurk
2018-04-07T01:46:49 < Laurenceb_> thats why I was wondering...
2018-04-07T01:48:25 < Laurenceb_> I'm not even meming https://www.ladyboysofbangkok.co.uk/
2018-04-07T01:48:32 < Laurenceb_>  >.co.uk
2018-04-07T01:48:52 < Laurenceb_> sheet why dont I use libusb for everything
2018-04-07T01:48:59 < Laurenceb_> ten times better than Qt insanity
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2018-04-07T01:50:51 < upgrdman> dongs, https://i.redd.it/g9fn943npaq01.jpg
2018-04-07T01:51:18 < Laurenceb_> memetic
2018-04-07T01:51:57 < Laurenceb_> dunno
2018-04-07T01:52:07 < Laurenceb_> I think my neighbour might be one
2018-04-07T01:52:10 < Laurenceb_> I could be too
2018-04-07T01:52:13 < Laurenceb_> muh heritage
2018-04-07T01:52:53 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/974ce5ac66/102034.jpg <- tfw its got 5% of the power of muh xeon box
2018-04-07T01:54:10 < Laurenceb_> ^hes scared of my now
2018-04-07T02:07:53 < stvn> xeonz
2018-04-07T02:12:53 < Rob235> so if a stepper motor gets warm when set to spin continuously for a bit should the current be lowered?
2018-04-07T02:31:24 < stvn> digital
2018-04-07T02:35:36 < Laurenceb_>  ^ defeated by muh heritage
2018-04-07T02:37:24 < stvn> wut are you saying dr.b
2018-04-07T02:37:42 < Laurenceb_> allow me to tell you about my heritage
2018-04-07T02:37:50 < stvn> please do
2018-04-07T02:39:06 < Laurenceb_> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/097/868/1297200116211.jpg
2018-04-07T02:39:06 < stvn> that bushworld thing is accurate .au heritage
2018-04-07T02:40:25 < Laurenceb_> kek
2018-04-07T02:41:12 < Laurenceb_> tfw I think Muriel's Wedding is a good film
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2018-04-07T02:45:24 < Thorn> are there any good bottom heaters on aliexpress
2018-04-07T02:46:40 < Laurenceb_> O_o
2018-04-07T02:46:53 < Laurenceb_> thats what she said
2018-04-07T02:52:11 < stvn> wtf
2018-04-07T02:52:53 < stvn> i can only guess he means a pcb preheater
2018-04-07T02:53:21 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2018-04-07T02:53:33 < Laurenceb_> mrs emdrive is a radfem
2018-04-07T02:53:45 < Laurenceb_> why am I not surprised
2018-04-07T02:53:55 < stvn> i was thinking the same thing
2018-04-07T02:54:03 < Laurenceb_> Rei on slashdot
2018-04-07T02:54:20 < Laurenceb_> leaves radfem comments on half the articles
2018-04-07T02:54:33 < stvn> can they fucking hurry up with emdrive, i want a flying dog kennel ffs
2018-04-07T02:54:34 < Laurenceb_> also responsible for all the emdrive bs on nasaspaceflight
2018-04-07T02:54:50 < Laurenceb_> le female autist is a thing
2018-04-07T02:55:32 < stvn>  all m2f are autistic
2018-04-07T02:56:35 < Laurenceb_> but Nabine Sabz is muh waifu
2018-04-07T03:01:33 < stvn> idk who that is
2018-04-07T03:03:40 < Laurenceb_> youtube shooter
2018-04-07T03:09:55 < stvn> cool
2018-04-07T03:10:10 < stvn> there needs to be more youtube shooters
2018-04-07T03:10:26 < stvn> internet rage is much more amusing than angry high school students
2018-04-07T03:14:04 < Laurenceb_> her zombie rap was pretty funny
2018-04-07T03:23:43 < englishman> excellent videos
2018-04-07T03:24:31 < stvn> can lrh be dedotaded to her
2018-04-07T03:26:01 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZrq8Kco4rU
2018-04-07T03:27:11 < Laurenceb_> >only child
2018-04-07T03:27:17 < Laurenceb_> >autistic
2018-04-07T03:27:31 < Laurenceb_> reminds me way too much of my cousin
2018-04-07T03:27:35 < Laurenceb_> this is worrying
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2018-04-07T03:52:25 < stvn> lol
2018-04-07T03:56:29 < Laurenceb_> >those comments
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2018-04-07T03:57:21 < Laurenceb_> she would have finally lost her virginity if she hadnt an herod
2018-04-07T03:58:43 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2018-04-07T03:58:55 < Laurenceb_> backpage.com siezed by fbi
2018-04-07T03:59:04 < Laurenceb_> now how am I going to get laid
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2018-04-07T04:10:30 < stvn> cool
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2018-04-07T04:17:35 < stvn> wtf was on that site
2018-04-07T04:18:41 < Laurenceb_> do you even hookers bro
2018-04-07T04:21:43 < stvn> no
2018-04-07T04:21:52 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/974ce5ac66/102062.png
2018-04-07T04:21:56 < Laurenceb_> my sides are in orbit
2018-04-07T04:22:36 < stvn> hah
2018-04-07T04:22:54 < stvn> elliot rodger should have hooker`d
2018-04-07T04:23:40 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/974ce5ac66/102064.png
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2018-04-07T04:31:38 < stvn> lol
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2018-04-07T05:09:57 < englishman> what the shit, android
2018-04-07T05:10:08 < stvn> ah good morning there
2018-04-07T05:10:16 < stvn> when's the show start mate
2018-04-07T05:10:18 < englishman> phone works fine when it boots, but when the screen gets locked once, touchscreen doesnt work until next reboot
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2018-04-07T05:26:16 < stvn> gotta get a mac mate
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2018-04-07T06:26:29 < englishman> lunix kernel logs point to focaltech FT5435 sleep errors
2018-04-07T06:27:24 < englishman> hmm replacement xiaomi screens with digitizer and frame are only $35
2018-04-07T06:31:56 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-04-07_05-31-42.png wonder if this would be structurally sound
2018-04-07T06:41:13 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-04-07_05-41-05.png this better
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2018-04-07T07:24:29 < stvn> not too much
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2018-04-07T07:26:31 < stvn> i'd like to china out and buy a huawei or whatever
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2018-04-07T07:27:56 < stvn> like innovation with mobile handsets has ended a while back
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2018-04-07T07:33:54 < stvn> 2 years of $90 to own some new samchung or ishit aint worth it
2018-04-07T07:35:10 < englishman> yeah this mi a1 was like 200usd delivered
2018-04-07T07:35:15 < englishman> they are on amazon now for even less
2018-04-07T07:35:29 < englishman> prolly the best phone ive ever owned
2018-04-07T07:35:32 < englishman> ...til today
2018-04-07T07:35:35 < branjb> wtf princess bride is $15 on amazon/google play/youtube
2018-04-07T07:35:39 < branjb> that movie is like a century old
2018-04-07T07:39:49 < branjb> it came out the year i was born
2018-04-07T07:47:05 < stvn> youre 100?
2018-04-07T08:03:05 < rajkosto> tools->convert->convert primitives to board cutout isnt workiing
2018-04-07T08:12:10 < englishman> yeah none of that shit ever works
2018-04-07T08:12:42 < stvn> ibm
2018-04-07T08:12:49 < englishman> the 17.0 and up board planning shit is super fucked
2018-04-07T08:14:34 < rajkosto> i mean its only for looks in the 3d preview https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-04-07_07-14-26.png
2018-04-07T08:14:43 < rajkosto> would just get rid of the inner holes
2018-04-07T08:15:14 < englishman> i had some 3d designer demand that last year
2018-04-07T08:15:23 < englishman> and i had to tell him sorry i dont have it on hand, my software is buggy
2018-04-07T08:15:37 < englishman> so i had to trace it out myself in board planning mode
2018-04-07T08:16:02 < rajkosto> i think thats what i did last time
2018-04-07T08:16:03 < englishman> might as well be using fucking adobe photoshop to make pcbs
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2018-04-07T08:16:12 < rajkosto> (define board cutout then trace out my lines that are ALREADY THERE)
2018-04-07T08:16:17 < englishman> yes
2018-04-07T08:19:09 < rajkosto> tell me how to do it like i can
2018-04-07T08:19:13 < rajkosto> define board shape
2018-04-07T08:19:18 < rajkosto> by selected primitives
2018-04-07T08:24:35 < englishman> email your sales rep (if he can speak more than 3 words of english) and tell him so suck a dick til its fixed
2018-04-07T08:26:08 < rajkosto> my licence isnte ven valid for 18
2018-04-07T08:26:09 < rajkosto> just 17
2018-04-07T08:26:09 < rajkosto> so
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2018-04-07T08:30:48 < englishman> he'll be sucking dicks for a while, then
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2018-04-07T09:01:02 < rajkosto> englishman, also i dont have to speak english to my sales rep
2018-04-07T09:01:04 < rajkosto> he speaks my language.
2018-04-07T09:02:10 < englishman> идиот странац
2018-04-07T09:02:28 < rajkosto> not in cyrilic tho
2018-04-07T09:04:34 < englishman> well im in a non-english place and mine doesnt speak english either
2018-04-07T09:04:59 < englishman> but he also sucks dicks, as is expected
2018-04-07T09:05:24 < rajkosto> how's the multiple pcbdoc support in 18
2018-04-07T09:05:33 < rajkosto> how does that even work
2018-04-07T09:05:44 < englishman> havent tried that yet
2018-04-07T09:05:44 < rajkosto> do you define certain rooms to go to certain pcbdocs or what
2018-04-07T09:06:01 < englishman> only have small projects so far this year
2018-04-07T09:07:57 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcgR-wE-eSU
2018-04-07T09:08:04 < englishman> check out this redshirt
2018-04-07T09:08:10 < englishman> florida is collapsing
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2018-04-07T11:19:01 < stvn> lol]
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2018-04-07T13:17:54 < stvn> https://youtu.be/yQdzexzbumc?t=2m29s
2018-04-07T14:13:59 < invzim> SMALLSMT VP-2500 is looking kind of good
2018-04-07T14:17:13 < stvn> wut is that
2018-04-07T14:17:21 < invzim> picknplace
2018-04-07T14:33:58 < stvn> sweeeet
2018-04-07T14:34:04 < stvn> how many dollar?
2018-04-07T14:44:54 < Steffanx> Do you feel ignored, stvn?
2018-04-07T14:45:06 < stvn> n
2018-04-07T14:45:09 < Steffanx> ok
2018-04-07T14:45:15 < Steffanx> the invzim.
2018-04-07T14:45:22 < stvn> sup?
2018-04-07T14:46:17 < Steffanx> idk
2018-04-07T15:07:37 < stvn> bang good
2018-04-07T15:09:01 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOHEgannBsA
2018-04-07T15:25:36 < invzim> bout 10k usd for the pnp, it *seems* it has no trouble with 0402 unlike what I've heard about the neoden4
2018-04-07T15:25:50 < invzim> not that I got space for one, but a man can dream..
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2018-04-07T15:47:49 < kaa> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dm-pbwO5aLF5Wtd4BQWYurkKV98kO9Wa/view?usp=sharing
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2018-04-07T16:43:42 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/pqU16H7.jpg
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2018-04-07T17:10:46 < englishman> 10k for smallsmt, ouch
2018-04-07T17:11:04 < englishman> have they delivered their new opensores project finally
2018-04-07T17:12:42 < englishman> did you know openpnp is dead? it has not seen any updates in over a year, and remains a pick and place "framework" rather than usable production assembly software, and has never successfully assembled more than one or two 1206- size prototype boards from 3d printed feeders
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2018-04-07T17:29:15 < englishman> ty stvn great video
2018-04-07T17:30:06 < Rob235> how does stepper acceleration work for a H-bot/corexy type system?
2018-04-07T17:30:35 < Rob235> is it axis independent or since one motor causes diagonal movement then its stepper independent
2018-04-07T17:30:40 < Rob235> or combined somehow
2018-04-07T17:31:07 < Rob235> I'm thinking stepper would be easiest but not sure if it works out right
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2018-04-07T17:35:01 < catphish> finished my design :) https://nutty.tk/inverter4b.pdf / https://imgur.com/a/7kcuZ - thanks for the assistance so far all!
2018-04-07T17:35:33 < blacktronics> what does it do
2018-04-07T17:36:05 < catphish> it takes a dc input and drives a (higher voltage) 3 phase induction motor
2018-04-07T17:36:30 < blacktronics> ihh u renenver
2018-04-07T17:36:37 < blacktronics> i was misaligned
2018-04-07T17:36:41 < blacktronics> ohh i remember
2018-04-07T17:36:45 < catphish> some parts of it are tested, some parts are new :)
2018-04-07T17:37:30 < blacktronics> video in case it catches fire
2018-04-07T17:37:37 < catphish> lol :)
2018-04-07T17:39:47 < Rob235> relative* (typo top left)
2018-04-07T17:40:35 < kaa> catphish, about voltage measurement
2018-04-07T17:41:27 < kaa> what is the biggest voltage you want to measure and what do you concider is the peak voltage value in any possible case?
2018-04-07T17:41:32 < catphish> Rob235: oh yeah, in fact i rewrote that, and evidently lost the changes, the name of the transistor component is wrong too, it's not an IGBT any more
2018-04-07T17:42:01 < kaa> what physical size are your divider resistors?
2018-04-07T17:42:09 < catphish> kaa: iirc i was basing the divider on a peak of 500v
2018-04-07T17:42:11  * Rob235 gives thumbs up
2018-04-07T17:42:14 < catphish> 1206
2018-04-07T17:42:38 < catphish> kaa: feel free to recalculate my divider if it sucks :)
2018-04-07T17:42:41 < kaa> did you calculate maximum current and maximum power of the divider?
2018-04-07T17:42:49 < catphish> i forget, i'll do it now and check
2018-04-07T17:43:20 < catphish> 0.5W
2018-04-07T17:44:05 < catphish> though that's an absolute peak, a more realistic RMS they might see is 130mW
2018-04-07T17:45:57 < catphish> i can get a 1206 rated for 250mW, i'm fairly comfortable with that, if it's a problem i'll just double the values
2018-04-07T17:46:45 < zyp> Rob235, there's not a lot of rotating mass in the steppers themself, so that's negligible compared to the moving masses
2018-04-07T17:47:38 < Rob235> so what does that mean, its about direction change?
2018-04-07T17:48:11 < zyp> you're asking about acceleration
2018-04-07T17:48:41 < blacktronics> steppers are a pita
2018-04-07T17:49:07 < Rob235> why are they a pita?
2018-04-07T17:49:51 < kaa> no feedback required
2018-04-07T17:49:56 < kaa> just pulse them
2018-04-07T17:49:59 < catphish> 500 V * 232R / 464232R = 249.8mV, and the AMC1200 is optimized for +/- 250mV
2018-04-07T17:50:01 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/7Haj5-h2pPw
2018-04-07T17:50:04 < zyp> a corexy setup is essentially just a 45 degree rotation, one stepper does one diagonal, the other stepper does the other diagonal, i.e. a simple linear transform
2018-04-07T17:51:23 < kaa> catphish, check resistor optimizer by jta http://jahonen.kapsi.fi/Electronics/ResOptimizer/
2018-04-07T17:51:53 < kaa> finds right resistors for you with smallest divider error possible
2018-04-07T17:52:15 < kaa> from standard resistors
2018-04-07T17:52:27 < kaa> also paraller resistors can be added
2018-04-07T17:56:42 < Steffanx> Are all finnishers called Janne?
2018-04-07T17:57:02 < zyp> seems like it
2018-04-07T17:57:18 < catphish> kaa: i used a similar calculator to get my values
2018-04-07T17:57:27 < zyp> one of my friends got accosted by a guy named Janne when we went to .fi last year
2018-04-07T17:57:44 < kaa> Steffanx, really pro guy that janne
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2018-04-07T19:10:02 < Laurenceb_> > The Queen is related to Prophet Muhammad. Historians have discovered that Elizabeth II is a descendant of the founder of Islam after tracing her family tree back 43 generations
2018-04-07T19:10:11 < Laurenceb_> the absolute state of britbongs
2018-04-07T19:15:28 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/974ce5ac66/102183.jpg
2018-04-07T19:16:16 < antto> dafuq(ue)
2018-04-07T19:17:08 < kaa> interesting
2018-04-07T19:17:22 < kaa> they mark people with dna sprayers
2018-04-07T19:18:03 < antto> is that gonna cover you in a bunch of random DNAs in order to obscure yours?
2018-04-07T19:20:05 < Laurenceb_> looks like it
2018-04-07T19:20:29 < kaa> it's to mark you
2018-04-07T19:20:33 < kaa> that you were there
2018-04-07T19:20:52 < Steffanx> That's nothing new. Very helpful method to find shop lifters.
2018-04-07T19:20:53 < kaa> dna tagging
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2018-04-07T19:23:17 < kaa> what did jewdew do?
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2018-04-07T19:45:03 < blacktronics> what is the dna shit gonna achieve exactly?
2018-04-07T19:45:09 < blacktronics> it'll prove i was in the store?
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2018-04-07T19:45:51 < kakimir> you run - you get sprayed
2018-04-07T19:46:00 < BrainDamage> probably it triggers on alarm like marked bills
2018-04-07T19:46:33 < blacktronics> ohh
2018-04-07T19:46:41 < kakimir> police can pick the dna tag from you with their dna forensic tools
2018-04-07T19:47:05 < blacktronics> sounds fun
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2018-04-07T19:47:13 < catphish> it proves you were in contact with the stolen money i believe, no idea how it's encoded
2018-04-07T19:47:19 < blacktronics> could just spray acid and stop people from being able to run in the first place
2018-04-07T19:47:42 < kakimir> could you just execute them on the door?
2018-04-07T19:47:51 < kakimir> yeah
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2018-04-07T19:48:31 < kakimir> blacktronics, how about acid as LSD
2018-04-07T19:48:39 < kakimir> straight to eyes
2018-04-07T19:49:07 < kakimir> make them not want to run because trippin ballz
2018-04-07T19:49:28 < blacktronics> would literally shoplift and get caught on purpose
2018-04-07T19:50:40 < Steffanx> afaik it's also used for robberies, when they cant catch robber int he shop, they'll just spray them. So when the police finds the them they'll be marked.
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2018-04-07T19:59:21 < antto> so it's like a drive-thru bukkake chamber
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2018-04-07T20:01:49 < blacktronics> o k
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2018-04-07T20:24:47 < Rob235> should I use arduino or nodemcu with esp8266 for a web server?
2018-04-07T20:25:38 < kakimir> raspberry pi
2018-04-07T20:25:42 < kakimir> 3
2018-04-07T20:26:00 < kakimir> hase that wlan already
2018-04-07T20:26:05 < kakimir> linux - check
2018-04-07T20:28:27 < Rob235> what? why would I get a rasp pi
2018-04-07T20:28:49 < kakimir> what do you need web server for?
2018-04-07T20:29:07 < Rob235> to communicate with my pen plotter
2018-04-07T20:29:19 < kakimir> raspberry pi3
2018-04-07T20:29:24 < Rob235> uhh forget it man
2018-04-07T20:29:26 < kakimir> because easy
2018-04-07T20:29:43 < Rob235> why would I buy something when I already have something that will work fine
2018-04-07T20:29:54 < kakimir> well that
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2018-04-07T20:32:20 < kakimir> why wlan?
2018-04-07T20:33:44 < Rob235> why not? I can write a website that will work anywhere and let me control it
2018-04-07T20:33:44 < kakimir> at least put proper antenna to it
2018-04-07T20:34:43 < Rob235> ...
2018-04-07T20:34:46 < Rob235> no thanks
2018-04-07T20:35:07 < Rob235> I dont need range, why are you overcomplicating everything
2018-04-07T20:35:43 < Rob235> what makes a better pet, a cat or a dog?
2018-04-07T20:35:49 < Rob235> how about a donkey?
2018-04-07T20:35:51 < kakimir> it's saturday - what else would I do
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2018-04-07T20:44:52 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_eschatology#Minor_signs
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2018-04-07T20:44:57 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2018-04-07T20:47:47 < Laurenceb_> >Nomads will compete in the construction of very tall buildings.
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2018-04-07T21:07:31 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca7Kt6eFaLA
2018-04-07T21:08:02 < Laurenceb_> le sexy anti novichok
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2018-04-07T21:25:03 < BrainDamage> Rob235: to be fair, arduino generally complicates things due to shitty filesystems, etc, having a proper os for those things does make it easier
2018-04-07T21:25:12 < BrainDamage> with price being the other side
2018-04-07T21:25:24 < Rob235> I'm looking into the rtos-sdk right now
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2018-04-07T21:44:57 < Steffanx> Linux does make it a lot easier Rob235. With nginx or apache or whatever.
2018-04-07T21:46:12 < Steffanx> and the pi zero is cheap enough.
2018-04-07T21:53:44 < invzim> thank you ST for making the latest cube pack for stm32f4 1.5GB
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2018-04-07T21:54:27 < tpw_rules> how much porn is it
2018-04-07T21:56:22 < Steffanx> Mainly just because they add a new database and keep all the old ones in the installer too.
2018-04-07T21:56:36 < Steffanx> It's all for your own good, invzim
2018-04-07T21:57:38 < invzim> think they added the segger gui thing
2018-04-07T21:58:07 < invzim> which I'm not planning to use anytime soon, unless it will do magic for ssd1306
2018-04-07T21:58:24 < invzim> meh, running out of space in my dev virtualbox
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2018-04-08T00:41:52 < stvn> http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/van-ploughs-into-pedestrians-in-german-city-of-muenster/news-story/779f5e85f18d4005c8c011b456970e71
2018-04-08T00:41:59 < stvn> good morning
2018-04-08T00:43:43 < kakimir> Oh.. Religion of Peace
2018-04-08T00:45:43 < Steffanx> Uhm. Read then judge, kakimir.
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2018-04-08T00:49:35 < kakimir> where did he get the gun?
2018-04-08T00:49:52 < kakimir> that is troubling
2018-04-08T00:50:13 < Steffanx> gun?
2018-04-08T00:50:38 < Steffanx> That gun stuff is about something else.
2018-04-08T00:56:26 < kakimir> Police also said the driver of the van, which ploughed through wooden tables and chairs before stopping against a wall, shot himself dead inside the van after the attack.
2018-04-08T00:57:13 < Steffanx> Wut, when i read that it said "killed" :D
2018-04-08T00:57:31 < Steffanx> nothing about shooting
2018-04-08T00:57:40 < kakimir> You said me to read it
2018-04-08T00:58:30 < Steffanx> Too bad they dont say if or when the last updated the article.
2018-04-08T00:58:36 < Steffanx> *they
2018-04-08T00:58:50 < kakimir> maybe you are just tired
2018-04-08T00:59:10 < stvn> hitler is back
2018-04-08T00:59:51 < Steffanx> or maybe they updated it kakimir :P
2018-04-08T01:00:25 < stvn> yeah every article is different
2018-04-08T01:00:31 < Steffanx> anyway, is it really troubling? Guns are not illegal in germany...
2018-04-08T01:00:38 < stvn> 1 dead 2 dead 3 dead several dead, which one is it
2018-04-08T01:00:45 < kakimir> severally dead
2018-04-08T01:00:49 < stvn> lolol
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2018-04-08T01:09:00 < kakimir> I have 4 power conductors
2018-04-08T01:09:10 < kakimir> 25Amps each
2018-04-08T01:09:21 < kakimir> and one shielded twisted pair
2018-04-08T01:09:48 < kakimir> for data signaling
2018-04-08T01:10:04 < kakimir> and shield to be connected to minus terminal
2018-04-08T01:10:14 < kakimir> 2 power conductors are + and 2 of them are -
2018-04-08T01:10:44 < kakimir> I need to put all of them inside silicon glassfiber tube
2018-04-08T01:10:57 < kakimir> I wonder if there is any good pattern to use
2018-04-08T01:11:27 < kakimir> my idea is to use this X pattern where opposite sides are same polarity and shielded data cable is in the middle
2018-04-08T01:12:17 < kakimir> and void space between X pattern is for nylon ropes to negotiate pull stresses
2018-04-08T01:14:20 < kakimir> I wonder what to use to keep this packed structure solid
2018-04-08T01:15:01 < kakimir> can I glue silicone to that pvc signal cable in the middle?
2018-04-08T01:15:31 < zyp> why are you making your own cable?
2018-04-08T01:15:33 < R0b0t1> How do the power conductors distribute power?
2018-04-08T01:15:53 < R0b0t1> If the pairs go to different places, you should keep them together and even may want to twist them like a signalling pair
2018-04-08T01:16:00 < R0b0t1> The logic being it will reduce radiated power supply noise
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2018-04-08T01:16:35 < kakimir> I use smaller diameter cable because of limiting size of powerpole 45Amp contact
2018-04-08T01:16:59 < kakimir> and I double it with joint to halve losses in distance
2018-04-08T01:17:30 < R0b0t1> So I've seen cables like this sold as OEM equipment and it usually comes loosely coupled together with nylon wrap over it
2018-04-08T01:17:42 < R0b0t1> It will be hard to repackage the conductors in to a properly sheathed cbale
2018-04-08T01:17:44 < R0b0t1> cable*
2018-04-08T01:17:53 < kakimir> I have silicon 10AWG cable
2018-04-08T01:18:02 < kakimir> super fine strand
2018-04-08T01:18:32 < kakimir> should fit like a glove to powerpole 10AWG SF silver contact
2018-04-08T01:19:36 < kakimir> but there is dozens of amps losses
2018-04-08T01:19:44 < kakimir> *watts
2018-04-08T01:19:58 < kakimir> I'm tired
2018-04-08T01:20:04 < kakimir> Ampere loss..
2018-04-08T01:20:32 < kakimir> hey.. do you have any recommendation accetory for making that joint?
2018-04-08T01:21:12 < kakimir> type of thing where you crimp the conductors to Y piece and then solder bake it
2018-04-08T01:22:40 < kakimir> maybe a crimp joint with 2 different sizes in both ends
2018-04-08T01:26:18 < stvn> lol have some sleep man
2018-04-08T01:26:39 < kakimir> hmm
2018-04-08T01:26:45 < kakimir> it's about bed time
2018-04-08T01:26:54 < kakimir> 01:26
2018-04-08T01:27:23 < Steffanx> found a  new appartment yet kakimir?
2018-04-08T01:32:16 < kakimir> nope
2018-04-08T01:32:23 < stvn> it's free
2018-04-08T01:32:26 < stvn> it's all free
2018-04-08T01:33:04 < kakimir> certainly
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2018-04-08T02:50:33 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/michael_lukiman/status/982741228021342214
2018-04-08T02:50:35 < Laurenceb_> memetic
2018-04-08T02:56:21 < stvn> Laurenceb_ is it real
2018-04-08T02:57:05 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43686271
2018-04-08T02:58:40 < stvn> lol
2018-04-08T02:59:15 < stvn> burn the evidence
2018-04-08T02:59:50 < Laurenceb_> >implying its not Hillary burning her email server that is hidden in trump tower
2018-04-08T03:00:00 < Laurenceb_> its the last place they would think to look
2018-04-08T03:00:25 < aandrew> lol
2018-04-08T03:03:28 < stvn> hah
2018-04-08T03:06:01 < Laurenceb_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2417942/Im-single-50-Why-Men-hate-brainier-says-KATE-MULVEY.html
2018-04-08T03:06:26 < Laurenceb_> >in other "cool story bro" news
2018-04-08T03:07:32 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/memcculloch/status/981910517806780417?s=20
2018-04-08T03:07:37 < Laurenceb_> my sides are in orbit
2018-04-08T03:07:50 < Laurenceb_> >meme-culloch
2018-04-08T03:08:28 < Laurenceb_> >"proud father"
2018-04-08T03:08:36 < Laurenceb_> Darwin is rolling in his grave
2018-04-08T03:13:24 < Laurenceb_> inb4 he formed babby with Rei
2018-04-08T03:13:44 < Laurenceb_> imagine the autism level
2018-04-08T03:44:46 < Laurenceb_> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1610.06787.pdf
2018-04-08T03:44:56 < Laurenceb_> my sides @ equation 23
2018-04-08T03:45:15 < Laurenceb_> what does he think Compton wavelength is
2018-04-08T03:52:23 < Laurenceb_>  1.3million ukips....
2018-04-08T03:52:33 < Laurenceb_> that makes babbyshake look like good value
2018-04-08T03:52:50 < sync> Is that some kind oft performance measure?
2018-04-08T03:56:08 < Laurenceb_> he got about half as much funding as our babbyshake project for proving that 1/(a/b)=b/a
2018-04-08T03:56:22 < dongs> earth to fucking google chrome mobile developers team
2018-04-08T03:56:35 < dongs> 99.999% of the time when i fucking long press on a url bar, i want to copy the fucking link
2018-04-08T03:56:42 < dongs> not have to worry about some submenu to 'select all'
2018-04-08T03:56:53 < dongs> how the fuck can such basic shit not fucking work
2018-04-08T03:57:26 < dongs> now instead of doing that to make sure the fucking URL actually copies i have to click ... menu, info, and longpress on URL there
2018-04-08T03:57:53 < Laurenceb_> dude u need to do ur duty and shoot up google
2018-04-08T03:57:56 < dongs> and if its an amp link, that involves like 3 more clicks on the AMP shit to get the real link first (not that I would know, i've not clicked on a single amp article in teh last year+)
2018-04-08T03:58:11 < dongs> shoot up? more like drop a fucking nuke on california
2018-04-08T03:58:26 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=42978.msg1807517#msg1807517
2018-04-08T03:58:29 < Laurenceb_> kek
2018-04-08T03:58:31 < dongs> i hope my good friend kim will do the job
2018-04-08T04:02:01 < aandrew> I'm pretty sure she's single because it looks like she has microwaved herself
2018-04-08T04:03:53 < Laurenceb_> I PROPOSE THE /b/ FIELD, IT WILL UNIFY PHYSICS
2018-04-08T04:04:08 < Laurenceb_> >I can has 1.3megabux?
2018-04-08T04:04:21 < aandrew> lol a /b/ field
2018-04-08T04:06:13 < Laurenceb_> >My discussion in this forum is connected with an attempt (hopefully not fruitless) to show that de Broglie waves are not probability waves, but real toroidal gravitational waves formed in the material medium of a physical vacuum
2018-04-08T04:06:20 < Laurenceb_> the absolute state of that forum
2018-04-08T04:07:28 < Laurenceb_> >Toroidal gravitational waves have a strictly defined topology and are formed as a result of the classical quantum parametric resonance of high Q in the medium of a physical vacuum that has a viscosity related to the Hubble parameter
2018-04-08T04:07:33 < Laurenceb_> irl lolling hard
2018-04-08T04:08:27 < Laurenceb_> its like tumblr tier word salads applied to physics
2018-04-08T04:11:30 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should troll them by injecting some sjw concepts -> "the patriarchal oppression matrix is formed when rape culture interacts with the solar wind"
2018-04-08T04:15:05 < stvn> the dogs
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2018-04-08T04:24:23 < dongs> Laurenceb__: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
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2018-04-08T06:06:22 < dongs> https://i.redd.it/ivgz7c6pzjq01.jpg found perfect image of Laurenceb__
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2018-04-08T08:18:24 < aandrew> wtf
2018-04-08T08:18:42 < aandrew> stm32f042, driving i2c at 100khz. two devices on the bus are working fine
2018-04-08T08:18:54 < aandrew> can't get a stupid ssd1803a to respond at all
2018-04-08T08:19:08 < aandrew> everything's set up wise on the hardware, but no ack
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2018-04-08T10:15:46 < tpw_rules> aandrew: did you set up the mode pins right
2018-04-08T10:16:23 < tpw_rules> the ssd might not be in i2c mode?
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2018-04-08T10:35:01 < Tectu> greetingz
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2018-04-08T10:40:42 < stvn> hi sir
2018-04-08T10:43:10 < dongs> hatebus
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2018-04-08T10:45:19 < stvn> is your commodore 64 ready for irc
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2018-04-08T11:27:10 < stvn> do i get gtx 1070
2018-04-08T11:28:08 < Steffanx> No, 1080.
2018-04-08T11:28:39 < Steffanx> Or wait for the buttcoin bubble to burst. Then you can get a dozen for free.
2018-04-08T11:30:23 < Steffanx> Im happy with my 3GB 1060. Stvn.
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2018-04-08T11:53:14 < dongs> yeah dont buy a gpu now
2018-04-08T11:53:18 < dongs> fucking buttcoin faggots
2018-04-08T11:54:47 < kakimir> when are the cheap mining gpus available as second hand sales?
2018-04-08T11:54:58 < kakimir> I just need a gpu for graphics
2018-04-08T11:55:18 < dongs> quadro stuff is cheap
2018-04-08T11:55:43 < dongs> http://www.pny.com/nvidia-quadro-p600
2018-04-08T11:55:54 < dongs> prices on that didnt go up because faggots dont bu y them
2018-04-08T12:02:19 < kakimir> not bad
2018-04-08T12:02:22 < kakimir> 230eur
2018-04-08T12:04:22 < Steffanx> The hp or dell ones are as low as 180 here, not bad.
2018-04-08T12:05:43 < kakimir> what core does it has?
2018-04-08T12:05:51 < dongs> pascal
2018-04-08T12:05:59 < kakimir> what game series card it matches to?
2018-04-08T12:06:12 < dongs> gtx10
2018-04-08T12:06:25 < dongs> 1050 etc
2018-04-08T12:06:41 < kakimir> okay
2018-04-08T12:06:56 < dongs> its not gayming shit, but its more than enough for altium proing
2018-04-08T12:07:34 < invzim> is p600 same as 600?
2018-04-08T12:07:42 < dongs> 600 what?
2018-04-08T12:07:47 < dongs> no its lowest end quadro
2018-04-08T12:07:48 < invzim> quadro 600
2018-04-08T12:07:50 < dongs> no
2018-04-08T12:07:51 < dongs> different
2018-04-08T12:07:52 < dongs> P = pascal
2018-04-08T12:07:55 < invzim> aaah
2018-04-08T12:07:56 < dongs> 600 = kepler or something
2018-04-08T12:07:58 < dongs> like 5 yeras old shit
2018-04-08T12:08:01 < stvn> is p2000 good
2018-04-08T12:08:28 < stvn> i need solidjerks and altidumb
2018-04-08T12:08:53 < dongs> i'm on P2000, works for me
2018-04-08T12:09:19 < dongs> https://www.ebay.com/itm/362288331319? some german faggot selling for 120 eur
2018-04-08T12:13:11 < stvn> look at this cum guzzler https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Quadro-P600-Workstation-Graphics/332598502920
2018-04-08T12:13:18 < stvn> p600 at >p2000 prices
2018-04-08T12:13:19 < dongs> lmao
2018-04-08T12:13:20 < dongs> the fuck
2018-04-08T12:13:35 < dongs> mega_home_warehouse more like mega_homo_warehouse
2018-04-08T12:15:24 < stvn> gets better https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Quadro-P2000-Workstation-Graphics/332598502934
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2018-04-08T12:16:57 < dongs> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/182956458401
2018-04-08T12:17:00 < dongs> > 4x mDP
2018-04-08T12:17:02 < dongs> > pic shows 3
2018-04-08T12:17:31 < dongs> aha
2018-04-08T12:17:36 < dongs> the actual listing says its quadro 600
2018-04-08T12:17:56 < dongs> hmm but 600 only came with DVI
2018-04-08T12:17:57 < dongs> the fuck
2018-04-08T12:18:43 < stvn> welcome to australia
2018-04-08T12:19:34 < Steffanx> T-pots
2018-04-08T12:19:47 < dongs> https://www.leadtek.com/eng/products/workstation_graphics(2)/NVIDIA_Quadro_P600_(10772)/detail
2018-04-08T12:19:52 < dongs> haha even leadtek version is 4 sockets
2018-04-08T12:19:57 < dongs> what hte fuck where did tehy even find that pic
2018-04-08T12:20:04 < dongs> i've never seen a nvidia with 3 dp plugs on it
2018-04-08T12:20:50 < dongs> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/u3sAAOSwI8laLZLx/s-l1600.jpg https://www.leadtek.com/p_images/zoom/10772_2Z.jpg
2018-04-08T12:20:56 < dongs> the rest of the board is actaully same...
2018-04-08T12:21:00 < Steffanx> My nvidia(by msi) has 3. But thats a 1060
2018-04-08T12:21:42 < dongs> yeah not mini dp
2018-04-08T12:22:12 < dongs> ah its P400 pic
2018-04-08T12:22:39 < dongs> so its literally P600 PCB with one of hte sockets missing
2018-04-08T12:23:02 < dongs> https://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll1280/14-133-647-Z03.jpg
2018-04-08T12:23:06 < dongs> just like P2000 is GTX1060 pcb
2018-04-08T12:31:40 < DisruptiveNL> <DisruptiveNL> Hey all.. When using an STM32 (say a l476rg) and I do CANBus... I have connected the Nucleo-L476RG to my CANBus on the BMW S1000RR motorcycle
2018-04-08T12:31:40 < DisruptiveNL> <DisruptiveNL> I did not use any MCP2515 or something like that and it seems that I could talk to the CAN and receive also
2018-04-08T12:31:40 < DisruptiveNL> <DisruptiveNL> I looked into the KVaser tutorial but I cannot get any clearance on the CANBus hardware setup when using an STM32 MCU...
2018-04-08T12:34:08 < kakimir> there is no tranceiver built in stm32
2018-04-08T12:35:32 < kakimir> I don't know how you have connected it now but certainly if you don't have tranceiver - it's not how it should be connected
2018-04-08T12:38:00 < tpw_rules> yeah you might be able to receive passively but there's no way you can talk
2018-04-08T12:38:12 < tpw_rules> you do need a chip like MCP2515 (unless the nucleo has one?)
2018-04-08T12:39:10 < tpw_rules> and a 120 ohm resistor
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2018-04-08T12:41:23 < tpw_rules> i'm pretty sure the nucleo does not have one
2018-04-08T12:46:38 < kakimir> canbus 101
2018-04-08T12:46:46 < kakimir> have tranceiver and have resistors
2018-04-08T12:48:10 < tpw_rules> ye
2018-04-08T12:48:34 < tpw_rules> you can do some stuff without but you'll eventually kick everything else offline
2018-04-08T12:48:52 < tpw_rules> also twisted wire
2018-04-08T12:54:35 < kakimir> DisruptiveNL, what seems to be a problem? Connect tranceiver and resistors to canbus line?
2018-04-08T12:59:15 < DisruptiveNL> No ... I think I got it. The MCP2515 controller you are using beause you want to talk SPI...
2018-04-08T12:59:30 < DisruptiveNL> So any STM32 board which does not have a controller can also use it
2018-04-08T13:00:45 < tpw_rules> huh?
2018-04-08T13:01:18 < tpw_rules> you need an MCP2561
2018-04-08T13:01:26 < tpw_rules> sorry i got the numbers confused earlier
2018-04-08T13:02:32 < tpw_rules> that chip converts TX and RX from the stm32's built in controller to CANH and CANL. you can't operate without it
2018-04-08T13:06:54 < kakimir> like in ethernet you need mac and phy
2018-04-08T13:07:07 < kakimir> mac is inside the chip
2018-04-08T13:07:23 < kakimir> phy is the external tranceiver ic
2018-04-08T13:08:16 < kakimir> mac does the smart stuff, phy does all the heavy lifting
2018-04-08T13:10:40 < kakimir> lines in and out of phy are not symmetrical - it's not a simple amplifier
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2018-04-08T13:38:22 < zyp> kakimir, what are you talking about?
2018-04-08T13:39:59 < kakimir> just garbage
2018-04-08T13:42:16 < zyp> the main part of a phy is the signal amplifiers
2018-04-08T13:42:45 < zyp> fast protocols also have a parallel/serial stage
2018-04-08T13:43:44 < zyp> and then there's stuff like link pulses and autoneg or whatever for complex physical layers, but still
2018-04-08T13:43:54 < zyp> a CAN PHY doesn't have any of that shit
2018-04-08T13:44:06 < zyp> a CAN PHY is just a differential driver and a differential receiver
2018-04-08T13:45:25 < zyp> tpw_rules, sorry for being a pedant, but you can run CAN signalling just fine without the CAN physical layer
2018-04-08T13:46:02 < zyp> you just need to hook up CANRX/CANTX in a wired-AND-fashion
2018-04-08T13:46:24 < zyp> e.g. you could use an open-drain bus like i2c
2018-04-08T13:46:43 < zyp> or actual AND gates
2018-04-08T13:48:33 < zyp> I once designed a board doing that, hooking each node to a CPLD that would AND all the CANTX signals and feed it back to the CANRX signals
2018-04-08T13:48:53 < zyp> never got around to make the boards that would actually plug into it though
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2018-04-08T13:57:24 < sync> hmm. on that subject how would one deal with a large amount of different can busses? like >3 thus exeeding the internal controller count of an stm32
2018-04-08T13:57:35 < sync> I did it before with a few external spi controllers
2018-04-08T13:57:47 < sync> but I feel like that there should be some better solution
2018-04-08T13:59:23 < zyp> you wanna do some sort of muxing?
2018-04-08T13:59:34 < jpa-> what would you like to improve over the spi controllers?
2018-04-08T14:00:17 < zyp> if you just wanna master a bunch of buses (i.e. you control timing), you could mux a bunch of transceivers to one controller
2018-04-08T14:00:29 < zyp> otherwise you need more controllers
2018-04-08T14:00:52 < zyp> either spi controllers, or a bunch of mcus that each contains a controller
2018-04-08T14:01:03 < jpa-> or fpga
2018-04-08T14:02:07 < zyp> the problem sounds a bit strange, considering CAN is an addressed bus where you normally put a bunch of devices on the same bus, not one bus per device
2018-04-08T14:02:43 < jpa-> and when you have multiple buses, usually they are isolated for a purpose, and you wouldn't put a slave device on multiple ones
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2018-04-08T14:09:03 < sync> yeah, I thought so that this is about the only solution
2018-04-08T14:09:59 < sync> well jpa- we were making a gateway for an application that needed to provide some data that was on different busses to a common one
2018-04-08T14:11:46 < sync> interestingly VAG does it the same way, they connect all the busses in one place
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2018-04-08T14:37:01 < kakimir> central control unit?
2018-04-08T14:37:22 < kakimir> *hub
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2018-04-08T15:18:38 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/SYIVIGU.png fucking chinks
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2018-04-08T15:42:56 < karlp> what's wrong with it now?
2018-04-08T15:46:57 < dongs> karlp: look at whats missing
2018-04-08T15:47:00 < dongs> also, lol https://www.freelancer.com/projects/c-programming/building-smart-spoon-with-arduino/
2018-04-08T15:50:03 < karlp> dongs: well, what?
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2018-04-08T15:53:34 < dongs> karlp: the length of the plug to pcb edge
2018-04-08T15:53:48 < dongs> from mounting holes to edge
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2018-04-08T15:59:42 < karlp> pads are 1.9 out the back (bottom right pic), you have pads to holes (bottom left pic)
2018-04-08T16:03:38 < Steffanx> :P
2018-04-08T16:17:46 < jpa-> karlp: that's only assuming that pads in pcb layout are exactly as long as the pins are
2018-04-08T16:18:26 < jpa-> (or aligned to specific edge of the pads)
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2018-04-08T16:55:53 < dongs> yeah no that dimension is useless
2018-04-08T16:56:36 < Laurenceb_> the bush dimension
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2018-04-08T16:58:36 < Laurenceb_> to be fair you have to have a very low iq to understand bushword adventures
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2018-04-08T17:08:17 < srk> sync: stm32f765 I'm using has 3 CANs
2018-04-08T17:13:13 < Laurenceb_> usb_reap_async(context0, 5000);
2018-04-08T17:13:22 < Laurenceb_> the patriarchy at work
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2018-04-08T17:20:30 < aandrew> tpw_rules: yep mode pins are correct, IM1/2 grounded
2018-04-08T17:22:14 < tpw_rules> don't you also have to like tie D7 high?
2018-04-08T17:23:01 < aandrew> I don't see that here, this is a module though so not all pins are brought out
2018-04-08T17:23:08 < aandrew> it's an EA DOGS104-A
2018-04-08T17:23:34 < tpw_rules> oh. i've only used ssd1306 so i think it may be that
2018-04-08T17:23:35 < aandrew> SA0 is low (I2C address 0x3c), CS low (also tried high), SCLK = SCL and SID/SOD tied together for SDA
2018-04-08T17:23:43 < tpw_rules> yeah that sounds right
2018-04-08T17:24:07 < aandrew> there's an internal regulator for 5V mode that I'm not using, but they still recommend putting 1uF on its output which I'e done (but it measures 0V)
2018-04-08T17:24:17 < aandrew> my gut instinct is telling me that isn't right
2018-04-08T17:24:34 < aandrew> I am suspicious I might have to put 3V on that too
2018-04-08T17:27:26 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/electrical-engineering/transmitter-which-overrides-other-radio/ haha
2018-04-08T17:29:59 < Streaker> Shouldn't be that difficult to do no?
2018-04-08T17:30:14 < aandrew> depends
2018-04-08T17:30:17 < dongs> > to all of those frequencies
2018-04-08T17:30:17 < aandrew> FM has the capture effect
2018-04-08T17:30:24 < aandrew> but that's specialized
2018-04-08T17:30:25 < Streaker> A high power transmitter on 10.7MHz should do the job.
2018-04-08T17:30:35 < dongs> 10.7?
2018-04-08T17:30:44 < Streaker> All FM radios have IF at 10.7 MHz?
2018-04-08T17:30:46 < aandrew> 10.7 is the IF cheap radios use
2018-04-08T17:30:51 < dongs> ah
2018-04-08T17:31:00 < aandrew> won't do shit for a car stereo or anything that's using double conversion
2018-04-08T17:31:10 < dongs> so instead of trying to overpower the source, transmit aids directly to teh radio?
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2018-04-08T17:31:24 < aandrew> Don Lancaster had a neat idea back in the early 80s
2018-04-08T17:31:47 < aandrew> take a 1MHz clock with VERY sharp edges and you will find that all the FM statiosn are covered by harmonics
2018-04-08T17:32:29 < aandrew> close enough it'd capture any radio passing by it
2018-04-08T17:33:11 < Rob235> alright, it took a day but I got the esphttpd web server running on my esp8266
2018-04-08T17:33:55 < Rob235> works with web sockets too
2018-04-08T17:34:04 < srk> I never understood why would anyone run web stuff on esp
2018-04-08T17:34:25 < Rob235> because I bought it when I didnt know any better and its all I have right now
2018-04-08T17:34:33 < srk> I'm using plain tcp/udp sockets and netcat to feed commands :)
2018-04-08T17:34:55 < Rob235> I'm using a website I already spent a lot of time on
2018-04-08T17:35:01 < Rob235> so i wanted web
2018-04-08T17:35:03 < dongs> autism
2018-04-08T17:35:07 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgur.com/MfTgIMS.jpg
2018-04-08T17:35:14 < Laurenceb_> talking of autism
2018-04-08T17:35:20 < srk> I wrote this for esps https://github.com/hackerspace/esplib/
2018-04-08T17:35:36 < Laurenceb_> lol @ top right
2018-04-08T17:37:10 < aandrew> yeah putting 3.3V on the regulator output didn't do shit
2018-04-08T17:37:19 < aandrew> motherfuck, why doesn't this thing respond to i2c
2018-04-08T17:39:06 < aandrew> wtf top left
2018-04-08T17:39:22 < aandrew> mechanicalcomputing, badmedicine, 52weeksofpizza
2018-04-08T17:39:47 < Laurenceb_> so much autism
2018-04-08T17:40:08 < Laurenceb_>  > there is a subreddit just called 'rape'
2018-04-08T17:40:47 < aandrew> yep
2018-04-08T17:40:55 < aandrew> imaginaryyachtclub sounds funny though
2018-04-08T17:49:15 < aandrew> ugh my i2c bus scan looks like the script from Mars Attacks
2018-04-08T17:49:18 < aandrew> NAK NAK NAK NAK
2018-04-08T17:49:38 < aandrew> I get a it at 0x11 (FM RX) and a hit at 0x18 (amp) only
2018-04-08T17:53:44 < Laurenceb_> what are you trying to talk to?
2018-04-08T17:55:51 < sync> srk: see my requirement of >3
2018-04-08T17:56:25 < srk> sync: ah, why is that?
2018-04-08T17:56:57 < srk> i2c or spi CAN then
2018-04-08T17:58:18 < Steffanx> i2c.. really?
2018-04-08T17:59:13 < Steffanx> Dont know the other requirements, but 1MBaud CAN over i2c .. meh...
2018-04-08T17:59:28 < srk> just look at how fast you can run i2c on f7 :)
2018-04-08T17:59:31 < srk> same for uart
2018-04-08T17:59:51 < srk> but yeah, I prefer spi as well
2018-04-08T18:03:34 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: some stupid COG character LCD module, SSD1803A
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2018-04-08T18:19:24 < sync> srk: #reasons
2018-04-08T18:21:26 < srk> #nda? :P
2018-04-08T18:24:57 < sync> no, just different data from a few different busses needs to come together
2018-04-08T18:49:18 < Laurenceb_> we should be talking about QI
2018-04-08T18:49:57 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/memcculloch/status/981910517806780417?s=20
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2018-04-08T18:57:07 < Laurenceb_> any of you n00bs revolutionised physics recently?
2018-04-08T18:58:10 < Steffanx> No we just did mems data over usb-audio and failed to make the pc side. Im sorry.
2018-04-08T18:59:50 < Laurenceb_> ikr
2018-04-08T18:59:56 < Laurenceb_> 1/(a/b)=b/a
2018-04-08T19:00:04 < Laurenceb_> tiem 4 nobel priez
2018-04-08T19:00:52 < Laurenceb_> tfw not sure if Fabio Zagami is a troll
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2018-04-08T20:39:37 < emeb> Anyone ever used the RTC on an L4x2 part?
2018-04-08T20:39:56 < emeb> Trying to get it working and although I can set it up it never starts incrementing.
2018-04-08T20:40:53 < emeb> Reading back the regs in the RTC and RCC - everything seems correct. Clock selected has proper status bits, all the init flags are as the datasheet suggests.
2018-04-08T20:41:11 < Laurenceb_> isnt that the idiotic thing with loads of registers for day and month and stuff?
2018-04-08T20:41:17 < emeb> yeah
2018-04-08T20:41:29 < emeb> I can set them up and read back the values OK
2018-04-08T20:42:12 < emeb> Using similar code to what I've done with F1xx, F4xx and F7xx but this one "just sits there"
2018-04-08T20:42:19 < Laurenceb_> why.jpg
2018-04-08T20:42:29 < Laurenceb_> unix tiem in a register ftw
2018-04-08T20:42:48 < emeb> because </unix>
2018-04-08T20:43:34 < emeb> probably some hidden remap reg that I've missed.
2018-04-08T20:49:36 < invzim> any altium query gurus about?  Want to match tracks between via and pad
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2018-04-08T20:49:52 < invzim> ehnoidont
2018-04-08T20:50:38 < stmer> Hi, does anyone know is it somehow possible to use usart as SPI (without fpga/cpld/additional chip)?
2018-04-08T20:55:52 < karlp> sorta kinda but not really depending on what parts of "SPI" you need.
2018-04-08T20:57:49 < stmer> oh seems like it's possible ... I'll do some experiments with it next week
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2018-04-08T21:05:20 < jpa-> stmer: AFAIK usart still has start and stop bits, which wouldn't work with SPI
2018-04-08T21:05:49 < jpa-> but on the other hand you can get up to ~1 Mbps SPI with little cpu load using dma bitbang
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2018-04-08T21:10:34 < invzim> I have to ask tho, WHY?
2018-04-08T21:10:37 < invzim> :)
2018-04-08T21:13:05 < jpa-> the only time i've done it, it was because there was no spi peripheral on the pins that i needed spi on
2018-04-08T21:26:18 < stmer> I need 4 SPI on the STM32F072
2018-04-08T21:26:27 < stmer> or at least I would like to have
2018-04-08T21:26:42 < jpa-> at what speed?
2018-04-08T21:27:03 < stmer> cube says 2mbit is the max on usart
2018-04-08T21:27:05 < jpa-> (and why not just put multiple devices on same bus with different chip selects)
2018-04-08T21:27:08 < stmer> 1-2 mbit should be fine
2018-04-08T21:27:42 < stmer> 2 for constant slow data transfer
2018-04-08T21:43:06 < Cracki> why not just put multiple devices on same bus with different chip selects?
2018-04-08T21:43:55 < stmer> constant data ...
2018-04-08T21:44:09 < machinehum> You can chain SPI
2018-04-08T21:44:23 < jpa-> only on some devices
2018-04-08T21:44:39 < machinehum> Really
2018-04-08T21:44:47 < machinehum> I though that was part of the protocol
2018-04-08T21:45:11 < Steffanx> What peripherals are you talking to?
2018-04-08T21:50:12 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/a/Tns3U
2018-04-08T21:50:19 < Rob235> gotta fix the css but esp is up and running
2018-04-08T21:50:21 < Rob235> with web sockets
2018-04-08T21:53:26 < Rob235> me no need no stinkin rpi
2018-04-08T21:55:26 < Steffanx> No one said you have to, just that it's easier/faster
2018-04-08T21:56:51 < Laurenceb_> >rpi
2018-04-08T21:56:55 < Laurenceb_> >easy and fast
2018-04-08T21:58:44 < Steffanx> This attitude is not going to get you that nobel prize Laurenceb_
2018-04-08T21:59:02 < Laurenceb_> >embedded lunix
2018-04-08T21:59:06 < Laurenceb_> >nobel prize
2018-04-08T21:59:24 < Laurenceb_> in fact: embedded lunix evar
2018-04-08T21:59:38 < Laurenceb_> not even once
2018-04-08T22:02:50 < Steffanx> I love you Laurenceb_.
2018-04-08T22:03:45 < Laurenceb_> spacex use embedded lunix, but they are crazy
2018-04-08T22:04:01 < Laurenceb_> so crazy they use gopro with their own lunix based firmware
2018-04-08T22:05:11 < Laurenceb_> meanwhile sane ppl use shit like vxworks
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2018-04-08T22:23:51 < sync> > vxworks
2018-04-08T22:23:53 < sync> > sane
2018-04-08T22:23:55 < sync> pls
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2018-04-08T22:32:21 < emeb> lol
2018-04-08T22:32:29 < emeb> RTC working now
2018-04-08T22:32:52 < emeb> for some dumb reason it's necessary to read both TR and DR
2018-04-08T22:40:58 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: can't find anything re gopro, care to share a link?
2018-04-08T22:41:19 < Laurenceb_> hmm it was on reddit forumz
2018-04-08T22:41:32 < Laurenceb_> someone found their fairing with gopro attached
2018-04-08T22:41:42 < Laurenceb_> then discovered the video was encripted
2018-04-08T22:42:06 < Laurenceb_> supposed spacex guy in reddit thread said they use gopro with their own custom firmware
2018-04-08T22:44:45 < Laurenceb_> gopro is cancer
2018-04-08T22:44:52 < Laurenceb_> pity as the hardware is quite nice
2018-04-08T22:44:58 < Laurenceb_> ruined by embedded lunix
2018-04-08T22:45:47 < PaulFertser> "The people who found the fairing said the SD card in the GoPro was empty/corrupted"
2018-04-08T22:46:12 < PaulFertser> Can't see anything from "spacex guy" there :/
2018-04-08T22:46:59 < Laurenceb_> lel
2018-04-08T22:47:03 < Laurenceb_> >corrupted
2018-04-08T22:47:15 < Laurenceb_> reddit is perman00b as always
2018-04-08T22:47:19 < PaulFertser> empty/corrupted is actually even more funny
2018-04-08T22:47:30 < Laurenceb_> probably scrubbed, spacex ask them to wipe shit all the time
2018-04-08T22:47:51 < Laurenceb_> nah it wasnt - they posted the gopro to spacex and video clip appeared later
2018-04-08T22:48:28 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_sLTe6-7SE
2018-04-08T22:48:33 < Laurenceb_> that was onboard
2018-04-08T22:48:50 < PaulFertser> Probably "the people who found" it were too stupid to find the video data on a corrupted filesystem or some such? It's not like they uploaded the full dump and the wording is unclear (to say the least).
2018-04-08T22:49:38 < Laurenceb_> nah I expect the spacex guy was telling the truth
2018-04-08T22:50:04 < Laurenceb_> if someone had recovered the full video and posted it on youtube itd reveal confidential stuff
2018-04-08T22:50:04 < emeb> spacex filesystem
2018-04-08T22:50:09 < PaulFertser> I'm not too good at reading reddit, probably you can find it there https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/38q2ye/falling_back_to_earth_hd_footage_from_space/
2018-04-08T22:50:15 < emeb> invisible to the n00b
2018-04-08T22:50:46 < Laurenceb_> spacex maintain an illusion of being open about their shit
2018-04-08T22:51:01 < Laurenceb_> but they keep a lot of crutial stuff very closely guarded
2018-04-08T22:51:13 < Laurenceb_> e.g. ever seen their pintel injectors?
2018-04-08T22:51:30 < Laurenceb_> or the lox/rp-1 common bulkhead?
2018-04-08T22:52:10 < R0b0t1> Some of that is legal compliance, I think?
2018-04-08T22:52:39 < R0b0t1> NASA scientists need to contact NASA before travelling to China, and may be moved to nonsensitive projects if they have ties to China.
2018-04-08T22:52:49 < R0b0t1> traveling
2018-04-08T22:53:00 < Laurenceb_> yeah maybe that as well
2018-04-08T22:53:25 < Laurenceb_> but if everyone got to see exactly why the fairing breaks up during re-entry it'd hurt their business plans
2018-04-08T22:53:33 < R0b0t1> Likewise if I knew how to weaponize anthrax, courts have apparently held that my telling you that is against the law, despite my right to free speech.
2018-04-08T22:53:41 < Laurenceb_> only sane to encrypt the video
2018-04-08T22:55:38 < sync> I guess with a little bit of effort you could RE the firmware on the gobro
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2018-04-08T22:58:44 < Laurenceb_> you might even be able to make it boot up reliably
2018-04-08T23:07:06 < Steffanx> Are you raging about something again because its too mainstream and doesnt support this weird thing you need, Laurenceb_? ( Or you failed to make it work) Someone said Qt-Audio/multimedia?!
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2018-04-08T23:11:13 < R0b0t1> Laurenceb_: I'm not sure how knowing why would matter. Just that they do would seem to hurt their business plans.
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2018-04-08T23:22:09 < Laurenceb_> >weird thing I need
2018-04-08T23:22:19 < Laurenceb_> >actually booting up more than 80% of the time
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2018-04-08T23:43:31 < stvn> Get in the fucking car Laurence
2018-04-08T23:43:50 < Laurenceb_> kek
2018-04-08T23:44:16 < Laurenceb_> my mum is calling social services
2018-04-08T23:44:26 < stvn> Yeah?
2018-04-08T23:46:47 < Laurenceb_> I'm not allowed to go to Bendigo
2018-04-08T23:47:10 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-08T23:47:41 < stvn> I’ve got a real gun Laurenceb_
2018-04-08T23:48:39 < stvn> Lol at the service station clerk, they really are that annoying
2018-04-08T23:53:29 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/974ce5ac66/102621.jpg
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2018-04-09T00:00:23 < stvn> Ya
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2018-04-09T00:24:04 < stvn> Nobody uses it in .au
2018-04-09T00:24:13 < stvn> We just pirate windows xp
2018-04-09T00:25:13 < stvn> (Linux)
2018-04-09T00:25:35 < Steffanx> I know Curt uses lunix.
2018-04-09T00:26:03 < stvn> curt is a pumper
2018-04-09T00:31:20 < stvn> What did you do with englishman
2018-04-09T00:32:09 < karlp> hrm, try to use ITM_SendChar in a cube project, and it hangs there, and gdb can't understand any of the symbols
2018-04-09T00:32:59 < stvn> sorry to hear the cube drama
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2018-04-09T00:45:31 < jadew> lol, stupid youtube is translating video titles from other languages into english, causing them to get downvoted
2018-04-09T00:45:49 < jadew> because when people click them, they find out the audio is in a language they can't understand
2018-04-09T00:46:43 < karlp> hah, stupid cube was defaulting to running at 72Mhz
2018-04-09T00:46:48 < karlp> didn't match my trace decoder
2018-04-09T00:49:00 < stvn> So many Mhz
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2018-04-09T01:17:07 < stvn> I need to do a touch lcd stm32
2018-04-09T01:19:37 < stvn> Just saw a car with rego zyp-739
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2018-04-09T01:29:46 < karlp> hrm, how does one set up multiple configurations in cube usb class shits?
2018-04-09T01:39:59 < ohsix> doesn't it just come down to an entry in the descriptor table
2018-04-09T01:45:04 < karlp> yeah, just fiddling with how cube delcares descriptors,
2018-04-09T01:45:09 < karlp> it's a lot more manual and tedious than I'd hoped.
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2018-04-09T01:57:11 < englishman> dongs, the distance to pcb edge can be whatever you want, to fit your enclosure design
2018-04-09T01:57:28 < englishman> also, how do you intend to introduce your children to lunix
2018-04-09T01:57:39 < englishman> a few days of cautionary tales?
2018-04-09T01:57:56 < englishman> or the abstinence approach, simply ban them from open source operating systems until they move out
2018-04-09T01:58:07 < englishman> leaving them alone in a scary free world
2018-04-09T02:05:08 < karlp> hrm, now I have both configs, but it's ignoring the bConfigurationValue in each of them.
2018-04-09T02:05:15 < karlp> they're j sut copies of each other, even though they'r enot...
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2018-04-09T02:21:37 < karlp> how do people work with this cube trash
2018-04-09T02:22:25 < Cracki> don't know any better?
2018-04-09T03:20:21 < Laurenceb_> <karlp> hrm, how does one set up multiple configurations in cube usb class shits?
2018-04-09T03:20:24 < Laurenceb_> it doesnt
2018-04-09T03:20:34 < Laurenceb_> u have to shout and swear at the codez
2018-04-09T03:20:58 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuxing_Hao
2018-04-09T03:21:00 < Laurenceb_> dat name
2018-04-09T03:36:51 < Laurenceb_> wew face sitting pronz is now kiddypronz tier in bongland
2018-04-09T03:37:39 < Laurenceb_> your honour, my wife had to sit on my face as bailiffs took the sofa, I inadvertently left my video glasses turned on the whole time
2018-04-09T03:38:37 < Laurenceb_> ywlts channers spam bongs with face sitting to get them sent to jail
2018-04-09T03:54:34 < dongs> < englishman> dongs, the distance to pcb edge can be whatever you want, to fit your enclosure design
2018-04-09T03:54:37 < dongs> ?
2018-04-09T03:54:39 < dongs> whats that in reference to
2018-04-09T04:01:54 < englishman> the chinese usb drawing
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2018-04-09T04:06:24 < dongs> .
2018-04-09T04:06:35 < dongs> yes, I would need to KNOW the fucking distance so I could place the connector in correct place on PCB
2018-04-09T04:07:02 < dongs> from mounting hole to connector edge
2018-04-09T04:07:06 < dongs> that dimension is NOT listed.
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2018-04-09T04:22:22 < Cracki> ask the manufacturer for a step file?
2018-04-09T04:23:48 < englishman> hm, right it should be in bottom right one
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2018-04-09T04:47:54 < dongs> http://www.disobedientelectronics.com/resources/Hertz-Disobedient-Electronics-Protest-201801081332c.pdf
2018-04-09T04:47:58 < dongs> what the fuck is this
2018-04-09T04:48:01 < dongs> (retweet from bot-wu)
2018-04-09T04:52:16 < dongs> oh, botwu is featured in there
2018-04-09T04:52:17 < dongs> tahts why
2018-04-09T05:08:01 < Cracki> >abortion drone
2018-04-09T05:08:12 < Cracki> flying coathanger
2018-04-09T05:08:54 < Cracki> trebuchet would be quieter
2018-04-09T05:11:46 < englishman> is brianna wu related to naomi wu
2018-04-09T05:12:01 < dongs> no thats why there's bat-wu (batshit insane brian wu) and bot-wu (naomi wu)
2018-04-09T05:13:26 < englishman> what is the origin of the name bot-wu
2018-04-09T05:13:36 < Cracki> sexy cyborg
2018-04-09T05:13:49 < dongs> cyborg=bot
2018-04-09T05:13:57 < englishman> ehh
2018-04-09T05:14:18 < dongs> but its from my other troll channel where it was suggested to differentiate them isntead of just calling both "wu"
2018-04-09T05:14:27 < Cracki> >it has been made clear from my interactions
2018-04-09T05:14:27 < Cracki> online with Westerners that there is an acceptable appearance for
2018-04-09T05:14:27 < Cracki> women in STEM to have, and mine is not it.
2018-04-09T05:14:38 < dongs> no shit
2018-04-09T05:14:50 < dongs> did the idiot just now figured it otu
2018-04-09T05:14:59 < Cracki> dunno what "acceptable" is. I find her plenty acceptable.
2018-04-09T05:15:04 < dongs>  .
2018-04-09T05:15:29 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7fEN1SVAAAFqds.jpg this is acceptable?
2018-04-09T05:15:38 < Cracki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2018-04-09T05:15:49 < Cracki> uh that looks broken
2018-04-09T05:16:04 < Cracki> well, western prudishness, whatchagonnado
2018-04-09T05:16:32 < dongs> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9e/79/37/9e79376cd1065fd333e7281e89842617.jpg im not surprised they didn't let that bitch into maker faire
2018-04-09T05:16:56 < Cracki> you don't like nice female bodies?
2018-04-09T05:17:08 < dongs> sorry im not a fag
2018-04-09T05:17:20 < Cracki> wat
2018-04-09T05:17:32 < Cracki> that'd make sense if you are a woman
2018-04-09T05:17:50 < dongs> if you think anything about bot-wu is "nice" you should get your head checked
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2018-04-09T05:18:15 < Cracki> eh, I only see these pics. I don't know the whole context.
2018-04-09T05:18:49 < dongs> context: some fake-chink-boobs puppet of some fat american living in china
2018-04-09T05:18:57 < dongs> pretending to be MAKE:R for the gaytreon cash
2018-04-09T05:19:02 < Cracki> ic
2018-04-09T05:19:11 < dongs> gets doxxed, doxxes someone else, gets gaytreon banned
2018-04-09T05:19:19 < dongs> now has no money to MAKE:R
2018-04-09T05:19:21 < Cracki> fascinating
2018-04-09T05:19:22 < dongs> < now here >
2018-04-09T05:20:43 < englishman> dont forget the tens of internet white knights
2018-04-09T05:20:51 < englishman> protecting feminism, or someting
2018-04-09T05:21:40 < dongs> because fake chinese boobs = feminism
2018-04-09T05:21:47 < Cracki> does not compute
2018-04-09T05:21:59 < Cracki> I thought feminism is burka
2018-04-09T05:22:09 < Cracki> certainly not walking naked among nerds
2018-04-09T05:22:36 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.instagram.com/p/BhUD2nwhn-w/
2018-04-09T05:22:44 < Cracki> meow
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2018-04-09T05:22:48 < dongs> fuck I should haev known better
2018-04-09T05:22:52 < englishman> much more interesting
2018-04-09T05:22:54 < dongs> at least I was ready on th ctrl+w
2018-04-09T05:23:00 < Cracki> that's the kinda pussy I like
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2018-04-09T05:36:16 < englishman> so where are the innovation chats
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2018-04-09T05:48:04 < Thorn> http://doyoutrustthiscomputer.org/watch free viewing ends in ~4 hours
2018-04-09T05:48:06 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/982119546420002817
2018-04-09T05:52:03 < Cracki> nice
2018-04-09T05:53:37 < Cracki> vimeo link https://vimeo.com/263108265
2018-04-09T06:11:26 < dongs> [download] Destination: Do You Trust This Computer-263108265.fdash-fastly_skyfire_sep-video-970514885.mp4
2018-04-09T06:11:30 < dongs> [download]   2.3% of ~2.42GiB at  4.22MiB/s ETA 07:39
2018-04-09T06:11:32 < dongs> nice.
2018-04-09T06:14:00 < englishman> probably better than the latest superhero movie, but still looks boring
2018-04-09T06:26:48 < Cracki> here's another singularity movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHljodCla6Q
2018-04-09T06:27:14 < Cracki> oh heck that's shit quality
2018-04-09T06:28:10 < Cracki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbIwZjuLh00
2018-04-09T06:45:04 < Cracki> wow dat movie, very sensationalist, much fear mongering
2018-04-09T06:46:24 < Cracki> I predict that not a single japanese will be in the movie because they have a healthy relationship to their technology
2018-04-09T06:55:16 < Cracki> if you wanna watch something with a little more depth, Person of Interest is a series I'd recommend
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2018-04-09T09:09:33 < rajkosto> so all altiums 18 after 18.0 are beta ?
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2018-04-09T09:18:21 < con3> Is there anyway that the DMA can run through a 32kb array and do sorting, Like grab every 3rd byte out of the memory location and send it to another 32kb array?
2018-04-09T09:24:39 < dongs> you wish
2018-04-09T09:24:53 < zyp> plain DMA can't, but DMA2D can do stuff like that
2018-04-09T09:25:13 < dongs> is that the GPU thing?
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2018-04-09T09:26:49 < con3> dammit
2018-04-09T09:26:57 < con3> would've been nice
2018-04-09T09:27:00 < dongs> for waht
2018-04-09T09:27:21 < con3> Just have mixed data coming in, wanted the DMA to sort it without the CPU intervening
2018-04-09T09:29:06 < zyp> checked DMA2D docs, should be possible
2018-04-09T09:29:36 < zyp> you tell DMA2D that you've got a 3xN section of data, and that you want to copy out a 1xN section from it
2018-04-09T09:29:58 < zyp> then it'll go grab every third byte and copy it to a new buffer
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2018-04-09T09:32:42 < con3> zyp: Thank you, looking if my mcu supports this.
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2018-04-09T10:01:40 < kakimir> Laurenceb__, get in the bloddy ute mate
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2018-04-09T10:54:41 < stvn> Barry IS the ute mate.
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2018-04-09T12:07:05 < Tectu> people
2018-04-09T12:09:15 < stvn> Hi xx
2018-04-09T12:09:33 < Tectu> guys
2018-04-09T12:09:35 < Tectu> seriously
2018-04-09T12:09:39 < Tectu> wtf is wrong with istanbul
2018-04-09T12:09:43 < Tectu> THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE
2018-04-09T12:09:55 < Tectu> that city has twice as many people as the entire country of swisslands
2018-04-09T12:09:56 < stvn> I don’t even know where that is
2018-04-09T12:10:08 < Tectu> turkmenistan
2018-04-09T12:10:14 < stvn> Ok
2018-04-09T12:10:31 < stvn> Did you fall out of your plane?
2018-04-09T12:10:45 < Tectu> no, I went there on purpose
2018-04-09T12:11:09 < stvn> Why
2018-04-09T12:11:50 < BrainDamage> wait until you get approached by random merchants that want to barter with you
2018-04-09T12:11:56 < stvn> Looking for crt?
2018-04-09T12:12:46 < Tectu> fuck crt
2018-04-09T12:13:09 < Tectu> BrainDamage, don´t even get me started on what´s wrong with italy
2018-04-09T12:13:13 < Tectu> you crazy lazy people
2018-04-09T12:13:22 < Tectu> the only thing you´re actually good & fast at is cooking.
2018-04-09T12:13:29 < Tectu> everything else always feels like a joke :p
2018-04-09T12:13:36 < BrainDamage> ¯\_( ͡°⌣ ͡°)_/¯
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2018-04-09T12:15:02 < stvn> He just came here to rage
2018-04-09T12:15:11 < Tectu> possible
2018-04-09T12:15:14 < Tectu> sorry about that
2018-04-09T12:15:16 < Tectu> love you all :*
2018-04-09T12:15:20 < stvn> Heh
2018-04-09T12:15:49 < c10ud> Tectu, btw, turkey
2018-04-09T12:15:52 < BrainDamage> except me, because of my nationality
2018-04-09T12:16:02 < BrainDamage> turkey is good grilled
2018-04-09T12:16:09 < BrainDamage> or roasted
2018-04-09T12:16:15 < Tectu> c10ud, yes?
2018-04-09T12:16:31 < c10ud> <Tectu> turkmenistan, not sure if /s, anyway..
2018-04-09T12:16:53 < Tectu> c10ud, this is ##stm32. You have to name countries wrong intentionally
2018-04-09T12:16:59 < Tectu> c10ud, hence the swisslands
2018-04-09T12:17:02 < Tectu> etc.
2018-04-09T12:17:03 < BrainDamage> everything, not countries
2018-04-09T12:17:06 < c10ud> :)
2018-04-09T12:17:12 < Tectu> lunix
2018-04-09T12:17:17 < Tectu> except for italy. Italy is not worth that.
2018-04-09T12:17:22 < Tectu> seriously, wtf BrainDamage
2018-04-09T12:17:25 < Tectu> what the fuck is wrong with you guys
2018-04-09T12:17:29 < Tectu> those toll stations
2018-04-09T12:17:30 < Tectu> fuck those.
2018-04-09T12:17:32 < Tectu> like seriously.
2018-04-09T12:17:53 < Tectu> most. retarded. thing. ever.
2018-04-09T12:17:56 < BrainDamage> i always go to the manned ones just to see the faces of those poor souls that work in them
2018-04-09T12:18:33 < Tectu> I saw 5 poor souls in person - did you ever notice that they all look the same? Advanced aged males, very thin hair. similar faces.
2018-04-09T12:19:29 < stvn> Dutchland
2018-04-09T12:19:46 < BrainDamage> if you smile and give them a cookie you made their day, then they wag their tail and can play fetch with you
2018-04-09T12:19:55 < BrainDamage> wait, nvm, I'm thinking of a dog
2018-04-09T12:20:08 < Tectu> you mean lolrence
2018-04-09T12:24:55 < Steffanx> Turkey... Why would you even go there? I for sure wouldnt. The erdogan -_-
2018-04-09T12:25:08 < Tectu> nah, I met him. He´s a nice fellow
2018-04-09T12:25:16 < Tectu> he know´s how to party.
2018-04-09T12:25:22 < Tectu> and it was semi-business.
2018-04-09T12:25:31 < Steffanx> But dutchland and turkey kinda are in a cold war state.
2018-04-09T12:25:42 < Steffanx> So i might be biased
2018-04-09T12:27:03 < Tectu> well stop naziing then.
2018-04-09T12:31:56 < zyp> sup?
2018-04-09T12:32:05 < Tectu> hi there. how are things?
2018-04-09T12:32:47 < zyp> feel like I haven't fully woken up yet
2018-04-09T12:33:44 < Tectu> try some turkish coffee. That stuff is basically 100% coffein with a ridiculously small amount of very hot water. Once you´re done with it you can use the remains to patch roads.
2018-04-09T12:34:07 < zyp> only problem is I don't like coffee
2018-04-09T12:34:23 < Tectu> nobody does.
2018-04-09T12:34:50 < zyp> don't feel I need the addiction either
2018-04-09T12:34:58 < zyp> but eh, it's ok
2018-04-09T12:35:26 < BrainDamage> a glass of very cold water helps for me
2018-04-09T12:35:34 < zyp> even half asleep, I'm getting shit done
2018-04-09T12:36:08 < zyp> coworker needed some stuff tomorrow, so I already finished that
2018-04-09T12:43:23 < dongs> cofee sucks
2018-04-09T12:50:03 < Tectu> you suck
2018-04-09T12:50:08 < Tectu> but yeah, coffee sucks too.
2018-04-09T12:51:10 < stvn> yeah i've had turkish coffee Tectu
2018-04-09T12:51:15 < stvn> you could inject it
2018-04-09T12:51:49 < Tectu> well, I´m not a coffee person by any means. But I have to say that turkish coffee was quite good to be honest.
2018-04-09T12:52:26 < stvn> yeah i like it
2018-04-09T12:52:43 < Tectu> why didn´t yo tell me that you were there too?
2018-04-09T12:53:51 < Tectu> I would have paid a lot more attention to avoiding you. Would not like to pump into you in turkmenistan.
2018-04-09T12:55:11 < stvn> pumping
2018-04-09T12:55:41 < Tectu> a friend of mine has some insulin problems so he has an on-body insulin pump with him 24/7. did a lot of pumpin´ jokes.
2018-04-09T12:59:12 < karlp> Laurenceb__: yeah, I found that out, and shouted and swore and went to bed and read comics instead :)
2018-04-09T13:03:28 < stvn> yeah pumping
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2018-04-09T13:07:05 < dongs> so tectu
2018-04-09T13:07:18 < dongs> what doyou meake of this https://github.com/littlevgl/lvgl
2018-04-09T13:07:29 < dongs> does it sound like a uguuFX competitor
2018-04-09T13:07:42 < dongs> it certainly seems kawaii enough
2018-04-09T13:08:47 < Tectu> there are plenty of projects like that. some of them seem quite good (like that one) but then it´s open sorez crap and they disappear again. 68% of µGFX users are commercial customers that pay for support, new features and so on.
2018-04-09T13:09:19 < Tectu> also, this one requires a framebuffer where as ugfx doesn´t. there are other things that factor in when choosing a GUI library - especially if you´re bizz
2018-04-09T13:09:24 < zyp> but dongs doesn't like commercial stuff, he only uses open source crap
2018-04-09T13:09:39 < dongs> Tectu: it requires a "small" framebuffer
2018-04-09T13:09:42 < dongs> not a 240x320 one.
2018-04-09T13:10:01 < Tectu> dongs, okay. As I said - many things factor in with these kind of decisions.
2018-04-09T13:10:18 < dongs> i wouldn't mind having a small framebuffer if it allowed neat stuff like alphablending and shit
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2018-04-09T13:13:08 < Tectu> uGFX does alpha blending too. 3.x get´s a huge update in this regard too.
2018-04-09T13:14:14 < dongs> how do you get background stuff for blending if you don't have a framebuffer?
2018-04-09T13:14:34 < zyp> generating background stuff when you need it?
2018-04-09T13:15:02 < dongs> yeah but if you have no framebuffer you can only write it to lcdv
2018-04-09T13:15:07 < dongs> how would you later blend against that
2018-04-09T13:15:39 < Tectu> dongs, uGFX can do framebuffering too. If you don´t have that it will retrieve the value from the display-controller integrated framebuffer (if possible) or it will fallback to a default background color.
2018-04-09T13:15:40 < zyp> you don't
2018-04-09T13:15:59 < Tectu> dongs, uGFX does all of this automatically during compile time through the preprocessor
2018-04-09T13:16:17 < zyp> you're thinking about rendering in a layer by layer fashion, you could instead render pixel by pixel
2018-04-09T13:16:44 < zyp> computing and blending all layers for each pixel before doing the next pixel
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2018-04-09T13:25:28 < jpa-> that would typically be rather slow though, but line-by-line works fine and doesn't take much ram
2018-04-09T13:25:35 < jpa-> but there isn't many libraries that do that
2018-04-09T13:25:50 < dongs> vgl does line by line or at least something by something
2018-04-09T13:26:03 < zyp> seems to be optional
2018-04-09T13:26:06 < dongs> ya?
2018-04-09T13:26:22 < dongs> i don't even know how to split drawing into line by line
2018-04-09T13:26:25 < dongs> how do you draw a circle?
2018-04-09T13:26:32 < dongs> (or anything
2018-04-09T13:26:50 < dongs> you have to calculatea each row or whatever?
2018-04-09T13:26:51 < jpa-> usually you would first add all the objects you want into a list, and then tell it to render the whole list in one go
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2018-04-09T13:27:29 < c10ud> I looked into littlevgl but it required quite lots of ram
2018-04-09T13:27:37 < zyp> make a function taking x/y calculating whether x/y is on the circle or not
2018-04-09T13:27:38 < c10ud> (for a ra8875)
2018-04-09T13:27:59 < dongs> doesnt ra8875 already have all the primitivces for drawing shit
2018-04-09T13:28:04 < c10ud> yup
2018-04-09T13:28:13 < dongs> what it doesnt acutalyl have is proper memory to framebuffer DMA
2018-04-09T13:28:24 < c10ud> I ended up haxxing some lib and accelerating shit to the max
2018-04-09T13:28:26 < dongs> so you can do simple lineart but if you wanna ctualyl render shit it seems to be annoying to do
2018-04-09T13:28:40 < dongs> at least thats wehre my fucking with it ended cuz my job was just do hardware bringup
2018-04-09T13:28:43 < c10ud> however I didn't implement full-bmp-y graphics yet, not sure I can do that
2018-04-09T13:28:53 < dongs> tectu claimed it was amazing but i couldn';t even find a simple way to blit a cat bitmap onto the lcd
2018-04-09T13:29:14 < c10ud> you just go per-pixel
2018-04-09T13:29:18 < dongs> like, apparently it has someshit where it can load bitmaps from external spi flash ...
2018-04-09T13:29:22 < dongs> c10ud: yea no, thats slow as shit
2018-04-09T13:29:34 < dongs> i even had it connected by 16bit parallel
2018-04-09T13:29:35 < dongs> iirc
2018-04-09T13:29:36 < c10ud> you can do single 16bit layers or double 8bit, and operate from that
2018-04-09T13:30:02 < Tectu> dongs, gdispBlitArea()
2018-04-09T13:30:04 < zyp> dongs, how do you draw a circle? sin/cos to get x/y coordinates?
2018-04-09T13:30:19 < Tectu> lunch time.
2018-04-09T13:30:21 < dongs> zyp, on ra8875? or you mea ni ngeneral
2018-04-09T13:30:27 < jpa-> bresenham algorithm, of course
2018-04-09T13:30:28 < zyp> in general
2018-04-09T13:30:30 < dongs> but yeah, sin/cos
2018-04-09T13:30:52 < jpa-> sin/cos is pretty slow
2018-04-09T13:32:06 < zyp> circle formula is (x-x0)^2 + (y-y0)^2 = r^2
2018-04-09T13:32:18 < dongs> er yeah,, sorry thats what it does.
2018-04-09T13:32:23 < dongs> not sincos
2018-04-09T13:32:38 < zyp> x0,y0 is centerpoint of circle, r is radius
2018-04-09T13:33:03 < zyp> so if you're rendering pixel by pixel, you can just throw the numbers into that, see if it matches
2018-04-09T13:33:27 < zyp> and generate pixel value depending on whether it does or not
2018-04-09T13:34:39 < dongs> https://www.segger.com/products/debug-probes/j-link/accessories/adapters/9-pin-cortex-m-adapter/ hmm i need to clone this
2018-04-09T13:34:43 < dongs> with a side-style header
2018-04-09T13:34:53 < dongs> instead of interposer for the ribbon thing
2018-04-09T13:35:15 < dongs> cuz now i do jlink > ribbon > 2010 adapter > 10pin cable
2018-04-09T13:35:23 < dongs> with that clone it can be jlink > 2010 > 10 pin cable
2018-04-09T13:36:10 < zyp> I've got jlink > adapter > 10pin tag connect on my desk here
2018-04-09T13:36:31 < dongs> https://www.segger.com/products/debug-probes/j-link/accessories/adapters/6-pin-needle-adapter/ you mean this shit?
2018-04-09T13:37:07 < zyp> http://www.tag-connect.com/TC2050-ARM2010 <- this shit
2018-04-09T13:37:22 < dongs> thats literally a clone of jlink thing
2018-04-09T13:37:38 < zyp> cortex-r doesn't do SWD, so I need TC2050, not TC2030
2018-04-09T13:37:45 < dongs> for fulljtag?
2018-04-09T13:37:48 < zyp> yes
2018-04-09T13:38:07 < zyp> this shit even uses TRST
2018-04-09T13:38:17 < dongs> god damn jew-connect prices
2018-04-09T13:38:28 < dongs> 30 bucks for the pcb AND 40 bucks for the connector/ribbon cable
2018-04-09T13:38:48 < zyp> true
2018-04-09T13:41:06 < zyp> heh
2018-04-09T13:41:23 < zyp> if tag-connect isn't expensive enough for you, they've made a new series now: http://www.tag-connect.com/EC-14
2018-04-09T13:42:31 < dongs> if youre doing that
2018-04-09T13:42:37 < dongs> you might as well just make a pcie 1x slot
2018-04-09T13:42:42 < dongs> and use a fucking $0.10 connector
2018-04-09T13:42:53 < dongs> or M.2 or someshit
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2018-04-09T13:45:32 < zyp> it's castellated edge, not an actual edge thing
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2018-04-09T13:55:26 < stvn> sssssssssssss
2018-04-09T13:59:16 < PaulFertser> Hm, why cortex-r wouldn't support SWD? http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.dui0441c/ch03s10s03.html shows availability.
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2018-04-09T14:04:36 < zyp> PaulFertser, my bad, I'm generalizing too much
2018-04-09T14:05:01 < zyp> my cortex-r is a ti hercules, and they don't do swd
2018-04-09T14:06:22 < zyp> "The Hercules family does not support SWD. Our JTAG interface uses the 5 pins JTAG. (TDI, TDO, TCK, TMS, nTRST)"
2018-04-09T14:10:30 < PaulFertser> zyp: and even their DAP is super strange: http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/2064/
2018-04-09T14:11:25 < zyp> I'm working with the RM4 series, not TMS
2018-04-09T14:11:39 < zyp> my understanding is that they are pretty comparable except RM4 is LE
2018-04-09T14:12:25 < con3> fuck my stm32 doesnt have the chrom-art accelerator
2018-04-09T14:12:59 < PaulFertser> Hm, OpenOCD config is identical but probably it was never tested.
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2018-04-09T14:24:47 < dongs> i wonder if theres any decent make:r space in shenzhen wiht an xray machine
2018-04-09T14:24:52 < dongs> maybe i should ask bot-wu
2018-04-09T14:25:04 < dongs> i got some cables i need to RE: that im picking up from chinagirl and i'd rather get a week headstart on that shit
2018-04-09T14:25:09 < dongs> than wait until i get home to my place
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2018-04-09T14:32:21 < dongs> https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Shenzhen
2018-04-09T14:32:47 < dongs> https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Trouble_Maker this is near chinagirl office
2018-04-09T14:34:11 < dongs> [ book a tour ]
2018-04-09T14:34:21 < dongs> thats not exactlty what comes to mind when i think of professional MAKE:ing
2018-04-09T14:37:06 < dongs> twatted to bot-wu lets see how long it takes to respond
2018-04-09T14:37:17 < dongs> maybe response is gonna be "SORRY MY GAYTREON IS GONE I DONT WANAN HELP ANYONE ANYMORE"
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2018-04-09T14:51:34 < Laurenceb__> sup
2018-04-09T14:51:43 < dongs> do you have a patreon
2018-04-09T14:52:30 < Laurenceb__> no I have a hatereon
2018-04-09T14:52:57 < dongs> hatereon logo = spinning swastika?
2018-04-09T14:55:01 < Laurenceb__> probably
2018-04-09T14:55:15 < Laurenceb__> I should set up a crowdfunding page
2018-04-09T14:55:24 < Laurenceb__> to get myself a hooker or something
2018-04-09T14:55:31 < dongs> shake baby for profit
2018-04-09T14:55:36 < Laurenceb__> and buy some ketamin
2018-04-09T14:55:54 < Laurenceb__> based Trump amirite?
2018-04-09T14:56:09 < Laurenceb__> btfo the liburals epic style
2018-04-09T14:57:42 < Laurenceb__> https://i.redditmedia.com/ao1jH1p6u5dYt4kD76YwP8bQ8kMU5SOg1YvHcaQ4F4U.png?w=876&s=6d34e919097d958cc3cc8da950b78058
2018-04-09T14:57:58 < dongs> unfunny
2018-04-09T15:13:15 < dongs> http://szdiy.org/tools
2018-04-09T15:13:16 < dongs> haha
2018-04-09T15:14:43 < dongs> http://www.techspace.cn/?page_id=116
2018-04-09T15:15:03 < Laurenceb__> that looks lamer than my local "maker"space
2018-04-09T15:15:04 < dongs> slivghtly more prpo
2018-04-09T15:15:41 < Laurenceb__> http://nottinghack.org.uk/
2018-04-09T15:15:58 < Laurenceb__> >Learn how to use the Arduino in this popular workshop
2018-04-09T15:16:00 < srk> arduino on teh front page <3
2018-04-09T15:16:04 < Laurenceb__> imagine my shock
2018-04-09T15:16:37 < srk> somehow we avoided arduino hype in our hs, always dismissed it as a bad joke
2018-04-09T15:16:58 < Laurenceb__> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHV4KoZXUAQowDA.jpg:large
2018-04-09T15:17:01 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-04-09T15:17:25 < dongs> is that your makerspace
2018-04-09T15:17:34 < Laurenceb__> looks like how I imagine ##electronics irl
2018-04-09T15:17:38 < Laurenceb__> yes
2018-04-09T15:17:39 < dongs> haha
2018-04-09T15:17:45 < Laurenceb__> by mine I mean local
2018-04-09T15:17:53 < dongs> slide is great too
2018-04-09T15:17:55 < Laurenceb__> I'm not going there
2018-04-09T15:18:21 < dongs> botwu has tweeted t wice since my question
2018-04-09T15:18:27 < Laurenceb__> its the photo that keeps delivering more lulz the more u look
2018-04-09T15:19:17 < Laurenceb__> I'm surprised by there being a woman, but its probably trans
2018-04-09T15:20:14 < Laurenceb__> fat guy in check shirt needs cropping and turning into an atheist autist meme
2018-04-09T15:21:49 < karlp> heh, erase state byte from eeprom before writing new page info.
2018-04-09T15:21:55 < karlp> thats.... not the right order.
2018-04-09T15:28:24 < Laurenceb__> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ67vIvW0AAJs13.jpg
2018-04-09T15:28:29 < Laurenceb__> serious innovation
2018-04-09T15:28:56 < srk> duck <3
2018-04-09T15:29:40 < srk> Laurenceb__: some of these spaces are not about innovation but about meeting other people and doing stuff for fun
2018-04-09T15:29:48 < srk> and there's nothing wrong with that :P
2018-04-09T15:30:13 < Laurenceb__> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C78iafTWsAEatnF.jpg
2018-04-09T15:30:13 < srk> actually it should probably be the primary function
2018-04-09T15:30:20 < Laurenceb__> they look like they are having fun /s
2018-04-09T15:31:08 < Laurenceb__> looks like how I remember school @5 years old, but for adults
2018-04-09T15:31:25 < Laurenceb__> infantile regression club
2018-04-09T15:31:33 < srk> should they dance on the table during a talk or what? get real dude
2018-04-09T15:32:11 < Laurenceb__> ^previous commenter confirmed as "maker"
2018-04-09T15:32:33 < dongs> srk is mad cuz he runs a hackerspace
2018-04-09T15:32:57 < karlp> nah, you guys are just being elitist on this one
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2018-04-09T15:33:11 < dongs> s/you guys/lolrenceb
2018-04-09T15:33:27 < srk> dongs: I do :)
2018-04-09T15:34:11 < srk> and it's probably the best thing that happened to me, so.. :)
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2018-04-09T15:34:30 < Laurenceb__> to be fair larpers are even more pathetic
2018-04-09T15:35:26 < dongs> srk: whats the attraction
2018-04-09T15:35:27 < dongs> is it arduino?
2018-04-09T15:35:30 < dongs> what makes is o great
2018-04-09T15:35:37 < dongs> (running a make:r space
2018-04-09T15:36:15 < srk> dongs: I never did arduino, I do stm32 with haskell for robotics
2018-04-09T15:36:55 < Laurenceb__> >haskell
2018-04-09T15:37:03 < dongs> yeah that triggered me a lot
2018-04-09T15:37:11 < Laurenceb__> le language autiste
2018-04-09T15:37:15 < srk> have some risc-v fe310s held by customs \o/
2018-04-09T15:37:43 < dongs> ya? i bet they're more productive there than they'd be on your desk
2018-04-09T15:37:52 < dongs> they must excel at doing nothing
2018-04-09T15:38:07 < c10ud> lol
2018-04-09T15:38:08 < srk> Laurenceb__: I've heard C makes you hate ppl
2018-04-09T15:38:18 < Laurenceb__> c++ dude
2018-04-09T15:38:30 < Laurenceb__> risc-v is somewhat better than xmos
2018-04-09T15:38:38 < Laurenceb__> thats not a compliment for risc-v
2018-04-09T15:39:02 < dongs> thats quite an endorsement there
2018-04-09T15:39:11 < dongs> how does it stack up against propeller
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2018-04-09T15:39:14 < dongs> is the real question
2018-04-09T15:39:14 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-04-09T15:39:25 < Laurenceb__> larpers on suicide watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07T5rVqj9Zk
2018-04-09T15:40:02 < dongs> lets stay at least SOMEWHAT on topic there laurence/b/
2018-04-09T15:40:21 < dongs> like makerspce discussion is ok
2018-04-09T15:40:23 < dongs> but furry shit? gtfo
2018-04-09T15:40:40 < Laurenceb__> >furry
2018-04-09T15:40:46 < Laurenceb__> p r o j e c t i o n
2018-04-09T15:40:55 < srk> propeller is probably N-times harder to program where N is the number of cores :D
2018-04-09T15:41:29 < Laurenceb__> meat.spin
2018-04-09T15:41:29 < dongs> no
2018-04-09T15:41:45 < dongs> you only get like one usable core on propeller
2018-04-09T15:41:50 < dongs> because you gotta use all others as basic peripherals
2018-04-09T15:41:54 < dongs> wanna I2C? there goes a core
2018-04-09T15:41:56 < dongs> wanna PWM? there's another
2018-04-09T15:41:59 < dongs> wanna timer? here's one more
2018-04-09T15:42:05 < srk> ok, not bad I guess
2018-04-09T15:42:52 < srk> anyone using i.mx7?
2018-04-09T15:43:15 < dongs> ive looked at it, but no baremetal stuff = boring
2018-04-09T15:43:27 < srk> with risc-v you have to add lots of SPI peripherals to make it usable seems like
2018-04-09T15:43:43 < dongs> why SPI?
2018-04-09T15:43:43 < dongs> to what
2018-04-09T15:43:52 < srk> to ADC, PWM..
2018-04-09T15:44:02 < srk> there's no ADC, only 4 chan PWM
2018-04-09T15:44:06 < srk> UART, I2C iirc
2018-04-09T15:44:37 < dongs> theres not even a fucking uart on that thing?
2018-04-09T15:44:44 < srk> it is
2018-04-09T15:44:51 < dongs> oh you're listing stuff it does have
2018-04-09T15:45:27 < srk> it does have SPI, UART, I2C, 4 chan PWM and JTAG
2018-04-09T15:45:38 < srk> that's pretty much it, not even internal flash
2018-04-09T15:46:37 < srk> heh, no I2C but it does have QSPI
2018-04-09T15:47:32 < srk> with some effort I think I can use it for motor control instead of F7
2018-04-09T15:47:56 < srk> with external ADC, PWM and CAN connected over SPI
2018-04-09T15:48:20 < dongs> yeah lets replace a mcu with literally dedicated motor control timer with deadtime/sensoring/all sorts of quality shit
2018-04-09T15:48:23 < dongs> with opensores crap
2018-04-09T15:48:28 < dongs> just so you can burn some mosfets
2018-04-09T15:48:30 < dongs> GOOD IDEA
2018-04-09T15:48:36 < srk> YES
2018-04-09T15:48:55 < srk> freedom dude
2018-04-09T15:49:04 < dongs> fuck freedom
2018-04-09T15:50:08 < srk> well, fuck you :)
2018-04-09T15:51:48 < Laurenceb__> muh freedomz
2018-04-09T15:52:01 < Laurenceb__> here in bongland we have freedomz to get stabbed
2018-04-09T15:52:29 < srk> here in czechia we have freedom to smoke bongs
2018-04-09T15:52:35 < Laurenceb__> zyp doesnt even have freedomz to get laid
2018-04-09T15:53:10 < Laurenceb__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Norway#Current_law_(Sexkj%C3%B8psloven)
2018-04-09T15:53:15 < Laurenceb__> virgin 4 lief
2018-04-09T15:53:30 < Laurenceb__> >The ban extends to Norwegians outside of Norway
2018-04-09T15:53:32 < Laurenceb__> my sides
2018-04-09T15:53:42 < srk> lol
2018-04-09T15:54:19 < zyp> oh
2018-04-09T15:54:23 < zyp> guess I gotta tell my wife
2018-04-09T15:54:33 < dongs> >The ban extends to Norwegians outside of Norway
2018-04-09T15:54:37 < dongs> so how does that work?
2018-04-09T15:54:43 < dongs> no sucky-sucky in tokyo soapland?
2018-04-09T15:54:55 < zyp> yup
2018-04-09T15:55:09 < Laurenceb__> ^clearly knows from experiance
2018-04-09T15:55:23 < zyp> Laurenceb__, it's only illegal if you get caught
2018-04-09T15:55:31 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-04-09T15:57:05 < dongs> isn't everything?
2018-04-09T15:57:57 < zyp> there were some known politician a few years ago that got caught paying for sex in thailand or something
2018-04-09T15:58:15 < zyp> that's the only case I know about when somebody has been convicted for that
2018-04-09T15:58:58 < zyp> oh, latvia, not thailand
2018-04-09T15:58:58 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A5rd_Hoksrud#The_"Hoksrud_affair"
2018-04-09T16:00:49 < Laurenceb__> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/product-evaluation-tools/st25-nfc-rfid-eval-boards/st25-nfc-rfid-eval-boards/st25ru3993-eval.html?icmp=tt6923_gl_bn_apr2018
2018-04-09T16:00:56 < Laurenceb__> this looks interesting
2018-04-09T16:01:07 < Laurenceb__> maybe hackable to do something useful...
2018-04-09T16:01:25 < Laurenceb__> Max. sensitivity: -80 dBm
2018-04-09T16:01:29 < Laurenceb__> so thats a no
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2018-04-09T16:15:41 < c10ud> do you guys happen to know any super cheap openwrt wlan radio module with at least one eth? 10usd on alibaba but sourcing something fcc-compliant and maybe really working could be a bonus
2018-04-09T16:19:42 < karlp> fcc compliant is precious.
2018-04-09T16:22:01 < c10ud> I would like to avoid doing the certification myself albeit it might be necessary since it's not being used standalone
2018-04-09T16:22:41 < c10ud> at least that's what I got from CE docs, I don't know if FCC is more restrictive
2018-04-09T16:24:57 < karlp> a "certified" module means you do "less" testing, not "zero" testing yourself, if this really matters.
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2018-04-09T16:29:01 < zyp> that's my understanding as well
2018-04-09T16:30:58 < c10ud> still better than full I guess, but yes you're right
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2018-04-09T16:37:41 < karlp> are you actually planning on targetting north america?
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2018-04-09T16:41:16 < karlp> c10ud: https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/these-guys-have-lots-of-optionstoo/1496032_32824297113.html
2018-04-09T16:42:53 < c10ud> nice link
2018-04-09T16:43:05 < c10ud> well I guess I'm doomed with ali* stuff then
2018-04-09T16:44:15 < dongs> holy shit fucking MTP
2018-04-09T16:44:27 < dongs> i ahve a DCIM\Camera on the phone wiht > 5500 photos in it
2018-04-09T16:44:31 < dongs> OF COURSE IT SHOWS AS EMPTY
2018-04-09T16:44:42 < dongs> probably because it overflows whatever faggot mtp transmitter service
2018-04-09T16:44:45 < dongs> FUck you FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
2018-04-09T16:45:15 < dongs> oops. i was looking at DCIM on phone, which is empty.
2018-04-09T16:45:24 < karlp> dooomed seems a bit negative.
2018-04-09T16:47:18 < c10ud> until now my experience has been good, but I am kind of tired of enriching customs
2018-04-09T16:47:51 < c10ud> last time they tried to steal me around 50 euros with goods I didn't order
2018-04-09T16:48:21 < karlp> this is a different issue altogther
2018-04-09T16:48:54 < karlp> you're asking about fcc compliance testing, but you're not capable of actually doing a  b2b transactin and getting shipping handled properly?
2018-04-09T16:49:59 < c10ud> I would like to avoid hidden costs, that's all
2018-04-09T16:50:36 < c10ud> e.g. device does not perform as expected, contact chinaboy: "hey this doesn't do X" "it should" "it doesn't" "wait for my engineer" "ok"
2018-04-09T16:50:53 < c10ud> "I'm going to connect to your PC and try it" "I don't think it will change anything but ok"
2018-04-09T16:51:12 < c10ud> <connects and does stupid stuff for half a day>
2018-04-09T16:51:23 < c10ud> "well, turns out it doesn't work after all"
2018-04-09T16:51:39 < c10ud> "can you fix it?" "euww, sorry we can't"
2018-04-09T16:51:42 < c10ud> the end
2018-04-09T16:52:34 < Laurenceb__>  "make a gui in qt"
2018-04-09T16:53:11 < c10ud> Qt
2018-04-09T16:53:41 < c10ud> Laurenceb__, having problems? widgets or qml?
2018-04-09T16:53:53 < Laurenceb__> interfacing with usb
2018-04-09T16:53:59 < Laurenceb__> I'm a gunna use libusb
2018-04-09T16:54:06 < Laurenceb__> but today I have to do cad all day
2018-04-09T16:54:14 < c10ud> that didn't classify as Qt last time I checked
2018-04-09T16:54:17 < Laurenceb__> inbetween fapping, obviously
2018-04-09T16:54:32 < Laurenceb__> well last week I tried to do it with QAudio
2018-04-09T16:54:34 < Laurenceb__> bad idea
2018-04-09T16:55:13 < Laurenceb__> I thought it'd be a good idea as QBluetooth is epin
2018-04-09T16:55:28 < Laurenceb__> but I guess they needed bluetooth to actually work for phones
2018-04-09T16:56:19 < c10ud> what's qaudio using? pulseaudio?
2018-04-09T16:57:05 < Laurenceb__> alsa
2018-04-09T16:57:21 < Laurenceb__> this shit worked well for bluetooth https://github.com/Laurenceb/Display_gui/blob/master/bluetooth.cpp
2018-04-09T16:57:36 < Laurenceb__> first time I've ever seen bluetooth work reliably on linux, amaze
2018-04-09T16:58:16 < Laurenceb__> lunix bluetooth is a disaster zone
2018-04-09T16:58:46 < Laurenceb__> pity QAudio is also epic fail
2018-04-09T17:00:12 < Laurenceb__> cant handle disconnecting devices or a change in configuration without killing the whole application
2018-04-09T17:00:33 < Laurenceb__> and the clusterfailed codez is hidden in libqt5multimedia.so
2018-04-09T17:01:09 < zyp> to be fair, hotplugging devices is a hassle to handle :)
2018-04-09T17:01:28 < Laurenceb__> works in Qbluetooth
2018-04-09T17:01:31 < Laurenceb__>  *amaze*
2018-04-09T17:01:37 < zyp> way easier to just get a list of devices at startup and run with that :p
2018-04-09T17:01:41 < c10ud> are you sure it's going directly with alsa? maybe there's some gstreamer in between
2018-04-09T17:02:31 < Laurenceb__> well I just dont know
2018-04-09T17:02:41 < zyp> hidapi isn't always happy about my devices disappearing and reappearing as something else when I'm switching between bootloader and application mode
2018-04-09T17:02:42 < Laurenceb__> Qt have the libqt5multimedia source
2018-04-09T17:02:52 < BrainDamage> if it uses phonon internally, then yes it's using gstreamer
2018-04-09T17:02:55 < Laurenceb__> but it doesnt seem to tally with the device handles I get
2018-04-09T17:03:02 < Laurenceb__> something weird is going on
2018-04-09T17:03:08 < BrainDamage> phonon is gstreamer implemented on top of gstreamer
2018-04-09T17:03:18 < karlp> wat
2018-04-09T17:03:23 < karlp> what is that for?
2018-04-09T17:03:33 < BrainDamage> so they can abstract and make it platform independent
2018-04-09T17:03:49 < BrainDamage> there's also a vlc based implementation, but it's very very limited
2018-04-09T17:04:09 < zyp> phonon works pretty damn well for what it was originally designed for though
2018-04-09T17:04:10 < BrainDamage> ( it made more sense back when gstreamer didn't have a port for every platform in existance )
2018-04-09T17:04:26 < Laurenceb__> I tried this nasty haxor https://pastebin.com/vseicwQF
2018-04-09T17:04:32 < Laurenceb__> it actually "works"
2018-04-09T17:04:47 < Laurenceb__> but its handles dont match the libqt5multimedia handles
2018-04-09T17:04:57 < Laurenceb__> and dont work
2018-04-09T17:05:29 < zyp> when I did java 101 in uni, we had an assignment to make a media player, originally it was suggested to use some crappy mp3 lib
2018-04-09T17:05:59 < zyp> prof said using third party libs were okay, so I grabbed the java bindings for qt
2018-04-09T17:07:27 < zyp> I think it took a hundred lines or so to whip up a simple media player that would do both audio and video with playlist functionality and all
2018-04-09T17:10:30 < c10ud> btw Laurenceb__ disconnecting devices shouldn't be a problem, probably you're just missing out handling some signals
2018-04-09T17:12:49 < zyp> hmm, I lied
2018-04-09T17:12:56 < zyp> I found the source, it's 348 lines
2018-04-09T17:14:32 < Laurenceb__> c10ud: nah this is a recognised issue
2018-04-09T17:14:53 < Laurenceb__> there are ppl raging on the forumz, but qt guys say pc audio is not a priority
2018-04-09T17:17:31 < Laurenceb__> kind of makes sense I guess
2018-04-09T17:17:45 < Laurenceb__> anyways, libusb
2018-04-09T17:17:59 < zyp> good luck
2018-04-09T17:18:18 < zyp> have fun raging about device permissions
2018-04-09T17:21:05 < BrainDamage> it's not hard to create a udev rule to auto set permissions
2018-04-09T17:21:10 < BrainDamage> it's literally 1 line
2018-04-09T17:21:28 < BrainDamage> eg SUBSYSTEMS=="usb" ATTRS{idVendor}=="04d8" ATTRS{idProduct}=="fb31" MODE:="0666"
2018-04-09T17:22:39 < c10ud> or, run as root, because why not
2018-04-09T17:22:54 < BrainDamage> add too SYMLINK+="lolrencecomms%n" so it has a stable name
2018-04-09T17:23:14 < PaulFertser> Probably GROUP="plugdev", TAG+="uaccess" if you do not want to set MODE too wide.
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2018-04-09T17:27:09 < Laurenceb__> >or just udev + asoundrc
2018-04-09T17:27:17 < Laurenceb__> but then there would be no need for gui...
2018-04-09T17:28:19 < zyp> BrainDamage, not saying it's hard, just saying Laurenceb__ will rage
2018-04-09T17:28:46 < BrainDamage> oh yes, sorry, i guess i inferred too much from your sentence
2018-04-09T17:28:56 < Laurenceb__> rage lifestyle
2018-04-09T17:39:57 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21RyTTFIHxs
2018-04-09T17:40:05 < Laurenceb__> tfw no syria "refugee" waifu
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2018-04-09T17:46:58 < fest> c10ud: some of this company's products are FCC/CE certified: https://www.8devices.com/products
2018-04-09T17:47:09 < fest> carambola2 and rambutan are, don't know about the rest
2018-04-09T17:47:11 < karlp> yes, but they're stillmodules.
2018-04-09T17:47:20 < karlp> it's no different to an fcc/ce module from aliexpress
2018-04-09T17:47:52 < fest> oh, the question was about full solution
2018-04-09T17:48:09 < fest> in that case, no dice
2018-04-09T17:48:43 < fest> short of buying a router
2018-04-09T17:49:00 < fest> but even in that case, I guess any software mods would require re-certification
2018-04-09T17:54:05 < c10ud> atm I'm going with a Microtik board
2018-04-09T17:54:12 < c10ud> but that costs 4x the expected price :D
2018-04-09T17:55:58 < Laurenceb__> stvn irl https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=9J1DB_1523263683
2018-04-09T17:58:19 < karlp> software for recert is very much a grey area :)
2018-04-09T18:01:10 < karlp> anyone ever boughgt anything from yoycart?
2018-04-09T18:03:15 < englishman> looks like simply a taobao agent?
2018-04-09T18:03:36 < englishman> havent used that one but used some others
2018-04-09T18:04:29 < Rob235> oh hell yea
2018-04-09T18:04:31 < Rob235> today is a great day
2018-04-09T18:04:59 < Rob235> got an email that they are granting me an extra semester of financial aid so I can get a loan for my last semester and not have to sell my car
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2018-04-09T18:22:09 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VK4IAAFrPo
2018-04-09T18:35:20 < karlp> can anyone tell me how this would save mobile data?
2018-04-09T18:35:43 < karlp> it's just a usb attached fmradio, I don't see how that changes anything wrt mobile data vs a fm chipset on board.
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2018-04-09T18:57:32 < c10ud> it's always funny when your PC crashes due to 10-year old drivers in shitty pl2303 drivers
2018-04-09T19:00:47 < englishman> karlp, missing the link?
2018-04-09T19:00:50 < karlp> heh, ordered a fibre upgrade. they're coming tomorrow afternoon.
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2018-04-09T19:01:01 < karlp> englishman: doh, one sec
2018-04-09T19:01:18 < karlp> http://www.eenewsembedded.com/news/collaboration-brings-fm-radio-phones-without-internet?news_id=104582
2018-04-09T19:01:43 < englishman> well
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2018-04-09T19:01:55 < englishman> you would not have to listen to FM through the radio station's webpage?
2018-04-09T19:02:45 < karlp> right, but they're comparing it to having an fm chip on board
2018-04-09T19:02:51 < karlp> sure, compared to radio streaming
2018-04-09T19:03:22 < karlp> same problems as before though, can't charge and listen, or anything like that
2018-04-09T19:03:30 < englishman> they are selling an FM receiver in <current year> some marketing-speak is required
2018-04-09T19:04:06 < karlp> I've never used it on any of my phones for years, but I quite like the fm radio we have in the ktichen
2018-04-09T19:04:28 < karlp> the fm radio "cahnnels" on the tv all include ads and too much visual distraction
2018-04-09T19:04:41 < englishman> the national public broadcaster is the only radio left that isnt total crap
2018-04-09T19:05:30 < englishman> is your country digital now?
2018-04-09T19:05:47 < karlp> I think so?
2018-04-09T19:05:50  * karlp shrugs
2018-04-09T19:05:57 < karlp> it's not dab though, or whatever that is.
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2018-04-09T20:53:52 < BrainDamage> dab is shit anyway
2018-04-09T20:54:21 < BrainDamage> while potentially they could allow higher quality, near the totality of the radio stations compress to an even worse equivalent quality in terms of SNR
2018-04-09T20:54:51 < BrainDamage> so as mere consumer, dab = worse sound
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2018-04-09T20:57:25 < Streaker> How can anything be worse than AM?
2018-04-09T21:00:11 < kakimir> http://www.gfk.com/fileadmin/user_upload/dyna_content/Global/images/News/2017/201711_mom_1120.jpg what color you are living in?
2018-04-09T21:01:19 < kakimir> norway is just ridiculous
2018-04-09T21:02:35 < kakimir> Denmark is a big suprise for me
2018-04-09T21:09:37 < Steffanx> What about DAB+ which is getting some more attention now BrainDamage?
2018-04-09T21:10:26 < Steffanx> At least in dutchland
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2018-04-09T21:13:03 < kakimir> I don't know anyone using DAB
2018-04-09T21:16:59 < Steffanx> it seems finland doesnt do DAB
2018-04-09T21:17:01 < Steffanx> kakimir
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2018-04-09T21:37:20 < Thorn> I ordered 50 stm8s003 ~10 days ago for $20 and looks at this now https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-50pcs-STM8S003F3P6-Value-line-16-MHz-STM8S-8-bit-MCU-STM8S003F3P6TR/32837763930.html
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2018-04-09T21:45:06 < Steffanx> hah
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2018-04-09T21:58:50 < psprint_> Anyone knows how to use a timer as timebase source, not systick? I'm using Cube and timers have many options
2018-04-09T21:58:52 < englishman> ouch
2018-04-09T22:00:02 < englishman> psprint_ it
2018-04-09T22:00:08 < englishman> it's under sys->timebase
2018-04-09T22:00:41 < psprint_> you mean the file stm.._it.h, yeah ok but first I need a reasonable timer
2018-04-09T22:01:55 < englishman> no in cube
2018-04-09T22:02:06 < englishman> in the pin planner, tree on the left
2018-04-09T22:02:51 < psprint_> ah yes, OK, I've found it, but it proposes timers, OK, so now I have to set up a timer, and it has many list boxes
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2018-04-09T22:30:43 < rajkosto> they changed the UI in AD18 help
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2018-04-09T22:48:13 < rajkosto> both renderers are now 3d
2018-04-09T22:48:20 < rajkosto> 3d view remembers my last rotation i dont know how to reset it
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2018-04-09T22:51:00 < rajkosto> and 3d view now uses some weird checkerboarding rendering, i see weird vertical interlacion when dragging it
2018-04-09T22:52:02 < rajkosto> ah no its just antialiasing is OFF when moving the view now wtf ?!
2018-04-09T22:52:14 < rajkosto> and 2d view has no antialiasing
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2018-04-09T23:44:14 < stvn> The stm32
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2018-04-10T01:10:21 < Laurenceb_> internet detective at work
2018-04-10T01:14:59 < Laurenceb_> found pronz studio on my street
2018-04-10T01:18:44 < stvn> Ok
2018-04-10T01:19:02 < stvn> Couldn’t hear the knocking on the walls?
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2018-04-10T01:45:13 < karlp> kakimir, what's that shitty little pale yellow blob between norway and sweden?
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2018-04-10T02:00:10 < Laurenceb_> karlp: its kakimir
2018-04-10T02:00:22 < Laurenceb_> saw that one coming
2018-04-10T02:00:46 < Laurenceb_> stvn: I'm watching the videos on pronhub, its too lulz to fap to
2018-04-10T02:00:52 < Laurenceb_> like devvo does pronz
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2018-04-10T02:03:00 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSI-LfkAarI
2018-04-10T02:09:24 < Laurenceb_> "great" shitain
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2018-04-10T02:35:10 < invzim> beeench time, I need 0.56A, think that calls for a switcher
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2018-04-10T02:42:09 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-43705388
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2018-04-10T02:46:32 < Rob235> so Im back to where I started (at least) with the problem of the last few lines of html being repeated
2018-04-10T02:48:50 < Rob235> I wonder if its a heatshrink problem
2018-04-10T02:49:07 < Rob235> oops wrong channel, you guys are useless
2018-04-10T02:49:08 < Rob235> :)
2018-04-10T02:51:44 < Laurenceb_> spherecucks dont know about muh flat earth
2018-04-10T02:52:16 < Ultrasauce_> the earth is not flat you moron
2018-04-10T02:52:24 < Ultrasauce_> it's hollow
2018-04-10T02:53:07 < sync> yeah
2018-04-10T02:53:14 < sync> and we're on the inside
2018-04-10T02:53:16 < sync> obviously, duh
2018-04-10T02:55:31 < Rob235> its filled with cheeeese
2018-04-10T03:17:06 < Laurenceb_> unironically more sane than QI
2018-04-10T03:25:48 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/9e1074f5b3/103252.png
2018-04-10T03:26:11 < Laurenceb_> https://www.plymouth.ac.uk/staff/mike-mcculloch
2018-04-10T03:26:20 < Laurenceb_> the absolute state of bongistan
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2018-04-10T05:03:56 < englishman> https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/09/northrop-grumman-reportedly-at-fault-for-loss-of-zuma-satellite.html
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2018-04-10T05:36:38 < stvn> old curt
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2018-04-10T06:06:20 < branjb> what's that chinese thermal camera cell phone attachment that is always being shilled here?
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2018-04-10T06:10:48 < branjb> therm app
2018-04-10T06:10:56 < englishman> thats the jew one
2018-04-10T06:10:59 < englishman> theres also the gook one
2018-04-10T06:11:05 < englishman> no chink ones afaik
2018-04-10T06:19:38 < branjb> oh
2018-04-10T06:19:44 < branjb> interesting
2018-04-10T06:20:07 < branjb> therm app was the one that someone here had used and had ok experience with though right?
2018-04-10T06:21:21 < englishman> yes
2018-04-10T06:22:44 < branjb> i should prob buy one before ww3 kicks off and israel gets nuked
2018-04-10T06:32:29 < branjb> can you run embedded linux on an esp8266?
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2018-04-10T06:36:08 < branjb> looks like you can't
2018-04-10T06:36:24 < englishman> and just like that, any credibility you had is gone
2018-04-10T06:36:29 < branjb> had a sr electrical engineer II today tell me it did
2018-04-10T06:36:35 < englishman> nice
2018-04-10T06:36:37 < englishman> what company?
2018-04-10T06:36:48 < branjb> american defense contractor
2018-04-10T06:37:11 < englishman> not the one working on JWST i hope
2018-04-10T06:37:32 < branjb> nah
2018-04-10T06:39:05 < branjb> i thought it sounded so absurd that maybe i didn't know as much about ESP shit as i thought i did
2018-04-10T06:39:48 < englishman> tell him to stick to ee and stay away from software
2018-04-10T06:39:48 < branjb> this is also the guy who wants to use rust on microcontrollers
2018-04-10T06:39:53 < branjb> which is why i was asking about it the other day
2018-04-10T06:41:00 < branjb> it's another meme language
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2018-04-10T07:38:24 < dongs> branjb: thermapp, not chink but jewish and is great
2018-04-10T07:38:56 < dongs> i have one and led pal has one
2018-04-10T07:39:00 < dongs> highly recommended
2018-04-10T07:39:09 < dongs> also: https://i.imgur.com/3XIKfGJ.gif
2018-04-10T07:41:06 < dongs> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-21/crypto-craze-sees-long-island-iced-tea-rename-as-long-blockchain lol
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2018-04-10T08:03:29 < dongs> https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/983513059711946752
2018-04-10T08:04:42 < dongs> https://www.geekbuying.com/item/Creality-3D--CR-10-Mini-DIY-3D-Printer-Kit-386491.html ??????????????????????????????????????????????
2018-04-10T08:04:49 < dongs> why is this even relevant
2018-04-10T08:04:53 < dongs> absolute fucking garbage haha
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2018-04-10T08:39:23 < emeb_mac> dongs: ever done anything with aes/ebu in broadcast stuffs?
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2018-04-10T08:42:41 < dongs> emeb_mac: besides hearing about it no
2018-04-10T08:43:59 < emeb_mac> dongs: ic
2018-04-10T08:44:39 < emeb_mac> got a potential project with it.
2018-04-10T08:44:40 < dongs> i know someone in stonertronics that does but hes probly too busy sleeping
2018-04-10T08:45:04 < emeb_mac> no biggie - seems like it's kinda dying out.
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2018-04-10T08:45:40 < emeb_mac> there used to be some test equip for analysis / debug but its all EOL and getting rare.
2018-04-10T08:47:48 < dongs> iirc it was something similar to spdif wiht more media support
2018-04-10T08:49:00 < dongs> oh looking at kikepedia apparently it IS spdif
2018-04-10T08:57:52 < emeb_mac> very similar  - some extra bits and different signal levels IIRC
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2018-04-10T09:02:27 < zyp> doesn't it have some explicit timing stuff also, vs spdif's embedded timing?
2018-04-10T09:23:24 < emeb_mac> could be. dunno enough about it yet.
2018-04-10T09:24:08 < emeb_mac> Cirrus makes some chips to handle it, but some STM32 have S/PDIF RX which might work too.
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2018-04-10T09:27:52 < dongs> gonna get into the lucrative AES/EBU test &measrement equipmetn biz?
2018-04-10T09:28:27 < dongs> F7 is the onle one wiht spdif?
2018-04-10T09:31:20 < dongs> i actaully bought ISO+IEC+14496-15-2004 in like 2009
2018-04-10T09:31:41 < dongs> i think its about AAC framing
2018-04-10T09:31:44 < dongs> over some retarded shit
2018-04-10T09:32:27 < dongs> hmm no wtf, its avc file format
2018-04-10T09:32:29 < dongs> why did i buy that
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2018-04-10T09:34:16 < Ultrasauce_> probably because every implementation is fucked and you needed authoritative information
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2018-04-10T10:02:03 < stvn> It’s a dirty place
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2018-04-10T10:17:36 < dongs> what teh fuck
2018-04-10T10:18:14 < dongs> if I told you "put signal A on channel1 of scope, put board vcc on cahnnel 2, and trigger on that going up"
2018-04-10T10:18:18 < dongs> is that unclear to anyone?
2018-04-10T10:20:36 < zyp> i.e. trigger on vcc?
2018-04-10T10:20:41 < dongs> yeah
2018-04-10T10:21:07 < zyp> you haven't specified a trigger level, but I assume then it's rising fast enough that it doesn't matter
2018-04-10T10:22:07 < dongs> the idea is to measure how long it takes from board power up until 'signal A' starts to move
2018-04-10T10:22:29 < dongs> this fuck has spent like an hour sending me scope pics of signal a onlyt
2018-04-10T10:22:30 < dongs> zoomed in
2018-04-10T10:22:33 < zyp> haha
2018-04-10T10:22:34 < dongs> and board vcc just stable on chan2
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2018-04-10T10:26:26 < dongs> finally i got a fucking pic
2018-04-10T10:33:44 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-10T10:36:13 < day> dongs: tell me hes from india :P
2018-04-10T10:36:22 < dongs> no, hes a dumb chink
2018-04-10T10:36:28 < dongs> im going there in a week to murder them all
2018-04-10T10:38:26 < stvn> Cool I like the sound of that
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2018-04-10T10:48:21 < Haohmaru> instructions unclear..
2018-04-10T10:54:19 < stvn> Just put a witchetty grub on ya cock
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2018-04-10T14:23:01 < Laurenceb__> muh heritage
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2018-04-10T14:58:34 < Laurenceb__> shit gunna get real soon
2018-04-10T14:58:36 < Laurenceb__> ww3
2018-04-10T15:00:25 < zyp> Laurenceb__, no wonder with your false flag operations killing old russian spies
2018-04-10T15:00:35 < Laurenceb__> irk
2018-04-10T15:00:37 < Laurenceb__> *ikr
2018-04-10T15:00:44 < Laurenceb__> muh diy novichok
2018-04-10T15:01:01 < Laurenceb__> sciencemadness forumz were actually making novichok a few years ago
2018-04-10T15:01:04 < Laurenceb__> for teh lulz
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2018-04-10T15:01:29 < Laurenceb__> when I was at school we made mustard gas using stolen chemistry lab kit
2018-04-10T15:01:47 < Laurenceb__> I tried to test it by sniffing the container, bad idea
2018-04-10T15:02:59 < Haohmaru> o_O
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2018-04-10T15:14:03 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: why do you say there were making it? I think I found that thread and they only discussed a possibility and what equipment it would require.
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2018-04-10T15:14:34 < Laurenceb__> oh ok I just skimmed
2018-04-10T15:14:41 < Laurenceb__> thought they had actually tried
2018-04-10T15:14:43 < Ultrasauce_> jeez read between the lines
2018-04-10T15:14:45 < Ultrasauce_> wake up sheeple
2018-04-10T15:15:53 < Laurenceb__> tbh its pretty funny when they say shit like military grade
2018-04-10T15:16:14 < Laurenceb__> and it could probably be made in a school chemistry lab
2018-04-10T15:16:53 < Laurenceb__> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/hatred-of-japanese-knotweed-is-xenophobic-environmentalist-says-r7ftnwlwm
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2018-04-10T15:30:35 < BrainDamage> ah yes, truly a site that makes a compelling argument to leave it asap, half of the article is masked under a subscription box and 2s after scrolling a lightbox to join /another/ subscription
2018-04-10T15:32:26 < sync> :D
2018-04-10T15:33:03 < karlp> heh, connectors with 5 cycle durability
2018-04-10T15:33:21 < Ultrasauce_> u.fl?
2018-04-10T15:33:23 < BrainDamage> are they smc?
2018-04-10T15:33:34 < zyp> Ultrasauce_, was about to ask
2018-04-10T15:33:41 < Haohmaru> wut, even virginity lasts more
2018-04-10T15:33:57 < karlp> http://www.eenewseurope.com/news/industrial-poke-home-connector-without-wire-stop?news_id=104624
2018-04-10T15:33:57 < Laurenceb__> https://www.digits2widgets.com/black-nylon-sls/
2018-04-10T15:34:04 < Laurenceb__> serious business
2018-04-10T15:34:13 < Laurenceb__> https://digits2widgets.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/7a9aa7d1-b839-448e-a460-14412d6b64d2.jpg?w=300
2018-04-10T15:34:16 < Laurenceb__> kek that guy
2018-04-10T15:34:17 < zyp> u.fl is rated for around 30 cycles, according to wikipedia
2018-04-10T15:36:49 < karlp> yeah, I've seen 30-50 ona  few things, but _5_ is pretty fucking low :)
2018-04-10T15:37:25 < Laurenceb__> wow those guys quoted me £40, not bad at all
2018-04-10T15:37:33 < Laurenceb__> who needs filament shit
2018-04-10T15:37:42 < zyp> karlp, some sort of RF test connector?
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2018-04-10T15:38:16 < karlp> I think internal sata connectors are only rated to 50 or so too actually
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2018-04-10T15:43:58 < zyp> sounds plenty, how many times have you plugged in and out your hard drives?
2018-04-10T15:45:11 < zyp> also, I bet SATA is designed sort of like micro usb, where wear is on the plugs rather than the sockets
2018-04-10T15:45:26 < zyp> so you can just throw away and replace the cable when it wears out
2018-04-10T15:45:35 < karlp> yeah, I'm not concerned about it, just another example of "low" cycle counts
2018-04-10T15:45:40 < karlp> but 50 is still _way_ more than 5
2018-04-10T15:45:50 < zyp> :)
2018-04-10T15:46:15 < BrainDamage> when the count is so low I'd be concerned about breaking it at first mate
2018-04-10T15:46:26 < BrainDamage> because it generally means it's flimsy as shit
2018-04-10T15:46:30 < BrainDamage> like u.fl
2018-04-10T15:47:43 < zyp> I remember one of the phone prototypes I worked on had some cute RF connector
2018-04-10T15:48:03 < zyp> super small smt thing, bit smaller than u.fl
2018-04-10T15:48:10 < zyp> and a fairly huge plug to mate with it
2018-04-10T15:48:28 < zyp> plug stood up like 15mm from the board
2018-04-10T15:48:55 < Ultrasauce_> yeah u.fl was just the first one that came to mind, there are definitely miniaturized coax connectors with single-digit ratings
2018-04-10T15:49:25 < sync> yeah
2018-04-10T15:49:45 < sync> that is why we have sacrificial connectors on all VNAs here
2018-04-10T15:50:11 < zyp> google suggests it might have been MS156, but I'm not sure
2018-04-10T15:53:44 < zyp> https://mouser.com/datasheet/2/185/MS-156HF_catalog-939544.pdf <- MS156 is actually rated for 100 cycles though
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2018-04-10T17:09:25 < aandrew> you guys will enjoy this. that i2c display I couldn’t talk to the other night? it was just the fucking backlight assembly. the actual display is a separate part that solders to it: https://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/electronic-assembly-gmbh/EA-LED36X28-A/1481-1234-ND/8021521
2018-04-10T17:09:47 < aandrew> I feel embarrassed like I was caught trying to talk to a mannequin
2018-04-10T17:10:57 < Ultrasauce_> must have been quite an illuminating moment of realization
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2018-04-10T17:19:26 < tct> female breasts
2018-04-10T17:21:15 < tct> seriously? no highlights on that?
2018-04-10T17:21:38 < sync> haha aandrew that trolled me before with those things
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2018-04-10T17:23:37 < Ultrasauce_> tectu that is some awfully low-tier shitposting
2018-04-10T17:23:40 < Ultrasauce_> step up your game
2018-04-10T17:23:57 < tct> it's hard. lolrence set the bar quite high
2018-04-10T17:24:07 < sync> yeah, I would expect better from a swisslander
2018-04-10T17:24:54 < tct> I'm sorry guys.
2018-04-10T17:25:54 < Ultrasauce_> i mean it's a good start, that abstract angle is worth working
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2018-04-10T17:33:25 < tct> don't judge me
2018-04-10T17:41:21 < Rob235>  /join #materialize
2018-04-10T17:41:25 < Rob235> :) oop
2018-04-10T17:41:26 < Rob235> s
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2018-04-10T17:53:13 < Laurenceb__> holy shit
2018-04-10T17:53:32 < Laurenceb__> these 3d printering dudes want to charge me ukp75  to dye my parts
2018-04-10T17:53:35 < Laurenceb__> 4 that shit
2018-04-10T17:54:04 < sync> are you gonna spend more than an hour doing it yourself?
2018-04-10T17:54:11 < sync> if so it is more cost effective to let them do it
2018-04-10T17:54:15 < Laurenceb__> lul
2018-04-10T17:54:23 < Laurenceb__> black paint tiem
2018-04-10T17:54:42 < Laurenceb__> also they take an extra week to do it
2018-04-10T17:55:02 < Ultrasauce_> huh didn't know nylon SLS was a thing, neat
2018-04-10T17:55:45 < Laurenceb__> yeah, cheap and high quality
2018-04-10T17:55:56 < Laurenceb__> pity they want to rip me off to colour it
2018-04-10T17:56:07 < Laurenceb__> lacqure coating might work
2018-04-10T17:56:44 < fest> Laurenceb__: I think they are dying the powder before printing
2018-04-10T17:56:45 < Laurenceb__> https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/3dhubs-knowledgebase/sls-post-processing/photo6.jpg
2018-04-10T17:56:45 < Laurenceb__> pro
2018-04-10T17:56:50 < Laurenceb__> fest: no
2018-04-10T17:57:05 < Laurenceb__> they say they use a dye bath for the parts
2018-04-10T17:58:33 < Laurenceb__> maybe black lacqure would work
2018-04-10T17:58:33 < fest> hmm, interesting
2018-04-10T17:58:50 < fest> the italian dudes we used at work said they dye the powder before printing
2018-04-10T17:58:50 < sync> same way as you dye keycaps for keyboards
2018-04-10T17:59:02 < Laurenceb__> fest: you can do it that way
2018-04-10T17:59:04 < fest> and breaking some parts sort-of confirmed that
2018-04-10T17:59:33 < Laurenceb__> but if you are running a large scale operation you have different colour powders circulating
2018-04-10T17:59:36 < Laurenceb__> which is a pain
2018-04-10T18:00:13 < Laurenceb__> ok I'll order plain nylon then coat it
2018-04-10T18:11:38 < Laurenceb__>  "we will have to get a new quote"
2018-04-10T18:11:46 < Laurenceb__>  "oh no no, you can't just pay"
2018-04-10T18:12:01 < Laurenceb__>  "once you approve the quote we send you an invoice"
2018-04-10T18:12:19 < Ultrasauce_> upsell failed, better up the baseline
2018-04-10T18:12:20 < Laurenceb__> one does not merely order some 3d printering
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2018-04-10T18:13:20 < Ultrasauce_> tbf making a low-volume print shop profitable is probably pretty hard
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2018-04-10T18:31:50 < kaa> anyone know where to order seperate solder masks for different IC packs?
2018-04-10T18:32:06 < kaa> one masked part per sheet
2018-04-10T18:32:21 < kaa> *stencil
2018-04-10T18:34:25 < Ultrasauce_> there are all sorts of assortments on fleabay/ali are there not?
2018-04-10T18:39:43 < Laurenceb__> just buy from cheap laser cutter place
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2018-04-10T19:40:49 < karlp> seeed is doing mini stencisl now right?
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2018-04-10T20:17:04 < Laurenceb__> oh shit
2018-04-10T20:17:05 < Laurenceb__> its on
2018-04-10T20:17:08 < invzim> yay, new tip
2018-04-10T20:17:14 < Laurenceb__> Drumpf is gunna attack
2018-04-10T20:17:25 < Laurenceb__> nuclear bunker tiem
2018-04-10T20:17:38 < englishman> fucking edisons
2018-04-10T20:18:31 < invzim> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NS4LZ0O - pretty good for chip type stuff, 0402 0603 etc
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2018-04-10T20:20:18 < rajkosto> whats the cheapest chinese USB-C SS mux chip
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2018-04-10T20:29:13 < Laurenceb__> stop war need to get their shit together
2018-04-10T20:29:34 < Laurenceb__> http://www.stopwar.org.uk/ update ur freaking webshite
2018-04-10T20:30:02 < rajkosto> the western ones are too complicated and expensive
2018-04-10T20:32:11 < Laurenceb__> https://kek.gg/i/3DzdTq.jpeg
2018-04-10T20:43:08 < Laurenceb__> woah
2018-04-10T20:43:18 < PaulFertser> Blow your penis http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2000to2004/2004-sexual-behavior-in-pre-contact-hawaii.html
2018-04-10T20:43:23 < Laurenceb__>  /r/the_donald is actually talking sense
2018-04-10T20:43:54 < Laurenceb__> >Anthropological studies of human sexual behavior traditionally are difficult to conduct and to interpret
2018-04-10T20:44:31 < Laurenceb__> >Hawai‘i1 has several characteristics that make it a useful society in which to view such behaviors
2018-04-10T20:45:14 < Laurenceb__> >What it currently lacks in cultural purity, as a consequence of long association with foreigners
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2018-04-10T20:45:20 < Laurenceb__> literally reads liek /pol/
2018-04-10T20:45:24 < Laurenceb__> epin
2018-04-10T20:46:07 < Laurenceb__> >academic sexologist it keeps on delivering teh lulz
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2018-04-10T23:29:33 < englishman> is shittkey down again
2018-04-10T23:29:34 < englishman> fuck
2018-04-10T23:29:41 < englishman> *shittykey
2018-04-10T23:30:55 < rajkosto> tell me PLEAS usb-c SS mux chip for cheap
2018-04-10T23:34:14 < englishman> mux? probably a lot
2018-04-10T23:34:16 < englishman> dono about cheap
2018-04-10T23:34:28 < Steffanx> digikey.nl works for me, englishman
2018-04-10T23:34:42 < englishman> but there should be a lot out there for the thunderdongs switches etc
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2018-04-10T23:42:25 < invzim> opinions on 90 degree traces?
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2018-04-10T23:51:01 < sync> invzim: they look ugly
2018-04-10T23:52:44 < invzim> doing a little research on it, only credible thing I could find was video where a manufacturer said they could crack - no reason given
2018-04-10T23:53:19 < sync> well, they present a stress riser, for sure
2018-04-10T23:53:29 < invzim> how/why?
2018-04-10T23:53:56 < sync> are you aware how stress lines look for rounded and sharp corners?
2018-04-10T23:54:01 < invzim> nope
2018-04-10T23:54:01 < sync> it is the same issue for a pcb
2018-04-10T23:54:05 < sync> wew
2018-04-10T23:54:07 < sync> ok
2018-04-10T23:54:40 < sync> https://i0.wp.com/www.corrosionpedia.com/images/uploads/dc9a16018aa3472fbdc0ec72f429db3e.jpg
2018-04-10T23:54:57 < BrainDamage> at high frequency it also creates a more abrupt char impedance change
2018-04-10T23:55:04 < BrainDamage> leading to reflections and/or radiation
2018-04-10T23:55:08 < englishman> pcbs need feng shui
2018-04-10T23:55:08 < sync> the difference in CTE and other mechanical stress will cause the foil to tear
2018-04-10T23:55:27 < sync> and yeah the difference in aspect ratio in a 90° corner will influence its impedance
2018-04-10T23:56:55 < invzim> I think the impedance stuff has been debunked, at least for the sub many gigahertz
2018-04-10T23:57:44 < invzim> altium make kind of rounded 90 degree traces
2018-04-10T23:58:01 < BrainDamage> scaa082.pdf
2018-04-10T23:58:10 < invzim> are they ok?  Doing some length tuning and the rounded version looks not so great
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2018-04-10T23:59:42 < sync> invzim: it has not
2018-04-10T23:59:54 < sync> if you read the papers they clearly state that the aspect ratio is an issue
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2018-04-11T00:00:09 < sync> if you chop the back off the corners you can migitate that
2018-04-11T00:00:13 < sync> and then it is not an issue
2018-04-11T00:00:26 < invzim> BrainDamage: thanks, I'll save that pdf
2018-04-11T00:02:12 < rajkosto> englishman, anything other than the overcomplicated HD3SS2522
2018-04-11T00:02:24 < rajkosto> its literally something every usb-c device has to have
2018-04-11T00:02:42 < englishman> >usb3.1 ss
2018-04-11T00:02:45 < rajkosto> should be common enough
2018-04-11T00:02:46 < englishman> >wants it simple
2018-04-11T00:02:49 < rajkosto> nah
2018-04-11T00:02:51 < rajkosto> usb 3.0 5gbps
2018-04-11T00:02:54 < rajkosto> just want usb-c connector
2018-04-11T00:03:08 < sync> then you can do usb2 for maximum easyness
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2018-04-11T00:44:54 < rajkosto> no
2018-04-11T00:44:58 < rajkosto> instead of usb 3.0 micro b
2018-04-11T00:45:04 < rajkosto> which works at 5gbps with no mux
2018-04-11T00:45:09 < rajkosto> gotta be hip with the usb-c
2018-04-11T00:46:57 < sync> yes but you can do usb2 in usb-c
2018-04-11T00:47:05 < sync> like some chinacloner phones do
2018-04-11T00:47:45 < rajkosto> yes but then i would just do microusb
2018-04-11T00:47:50 < rajkosto> i want dat 5gbps
2018-04-11T00:47:55 < rajkosto> but i dont want usb 3.0 micro-b
2018-04-11T00:47:57 < rajkosto> so gotta be usb-c
2018-04-11T00:54:57 < englishman> so where are the innovation chats
2018-04-11T00:55:02 < englishman> now that stm32 is 10 years old and boring
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2018-04-11T02:38:33 < rajkosto> yeah
2018-04-11T02:38:37 < rajkosto> make aarch64 based MCUs :P
2018-04-11T02:41:32 < jadew> sync, any idea if it's possible to make reasonable measurements +- 3 dB by soldering a coax cable where a component should be at about 5 GHz?
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2018-04-11T02:43:46 < catphish> is an invalid address the only thing that can cause a dma error condition?
2018-04-11T02:46:34 < catphish> my address is invalid, so that's likely the problem anyway
2018-04-11T02:48:39 < catphish> fixed :)
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2018-04-11T02:58:11 < catphish> yay, i have functioning adc->dma
2018-04-11T03:03:37 < catphish> zzzz
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2018-04-11T04:52:50 < aandrew> holy fuck soldering those 72 pin 0.100" headers for stm32discovery is tedious
2018-04-11T05:01:42 < steverrrr> aandrew: just lay out the solder in a line, cover the area with flux and blast it with hot air
2018-04-11T05:06:57 < Cracki> that and/or get a well/flat tip
2018-04-11T05:31:59 < dongs> sup dongs
2018-04-11T05:32:01 < dongs> aandrew: lool yeah
2018-04-11T05:32:09 < dongs> i made some board with a fucking 2x7 TI jtag thing on it
2018-04-11T05:32:20 < dongs> and i had to manually solder the headers on a bunch of boards
2018-04-11T05:32:35 < dongs> next time: will just footprint for smt type
2018-04-11T05:41:10 < steverrrr> dongs:  can you recommend an assembly house?
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2018-04-11T05:42:38 < dongs> i do some assembly
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2018-04-11T05:46:27 < steverrrr> lol
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2018-04-11T06:18:20 < ffffffffffffffff> dongs, would u recommend urself
2018-04-11T06:27:41 < rajkosto> dongs, what are those USB-C mux chips with auto-CC negotiation that you said were cheap as hell to buy and use
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2018-04-11T07:25:15 < englishman> spotted kakimir https://youtu.be/GtwkRd6zHwg?t=2m17s
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2018-04-11T07:58:20 < ColdKeyboard> How do you guys manage different design variants withing Altium?
2018-04-11T07:58:29 < ColdKeyboard> It's fricking nightmare and mostly 99% manual
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2018-04-11T10:18:55 < Steffanx> steverrrr: just hire englishman for you assembling.
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2018-04-11T10:50:40 < dongs> hmm gay
2018-04-11T11:09:00 < Steffanx> Where?
2018-04-11T11:09:09 < Steffanx> Your*
2018-04-11T11:09:46 < Steffanx> He can hire you too, but he didnt seem to happy, dongs :P
2018-04-11T11:25:50 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: whats a design variant
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2018-04-11T11:56:49 < stvn> \\\\\\\\\\
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2018-04-11T12:43:59 < stvn> the kursk
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2018-04-11T12:52:49 < rajkosto> hey dongs whats your company name
2018-04-11T13:02:30 < Haohmaru> gestapo circuits gmbh
2018-04-11T13:04:19 < dongs> rajkosto: trolling widgets, inc
2018-04-11T13:04:48 < Haohmaru> ah, that makes more sense
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2018-04-11T13:22:56 < karlp> heh, bitmain was responsible for 3-5% of tmsc's revenue in 1q2018
2018-04-11T13:26:11 < catphish> i wish i had a project worth actually getting a company involved in
2018-04-11T13:31:25 < stvn> build something 100 times more destructive than a nuke, that fits in your pocket
2018-04-11T13:33:21 < Haohmaru> pocketNuke, a portable bomb in yer pants!
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2018-04-11T14:36:12 < Laurenceb__> oh shit
2018-04-11T14:36:15 < Laurenceb__> its happening
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2018-04-11T14:40:14 < catphish> it's probably not
2018-04-11T14:42:26 < Hamilton> what's happening?
2018-04-11T14:44:12 < Hamilton> catphish, what?
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2018-04-11T14:52:06 < Laurenceb__> ww3
2018-04-11T14:52:34 < Tectu> stm32l0 question: Is there a software option to invert the RX pin of the UART interface? I have a schmitt-trigger back-end on an optical serial interface.
2018-04-11T14:52:41 < Tectu> the schmitt-trigger is inverting
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2018-04-11T14:58:35 < Haohmaru> Schmitt, ur doin it wrong!
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2018-04-11T15:08:06 < Laurenceb__> muh 88D chess
2018-04-11T15:08:34 < Laurenceb__> starting WW3 will result in some jews being killed, checkmate shills
2018-04-11T15:09:18 < karlp> Tectu: you're a big boy, read the datasheet and refman yourself
2018-04-11T15:10:25 < Laurenceb__> its a big datasheet
2018-04-11T15:10:26 < Laurenceb__> for you
2018-04-11T15:12:11 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/9e1074f5b3/103739.png
2018-04-11T15:13:36 < Laurenceb__> holy shit muh shakker is working
2018-04-11T15:13:42 < Laurenceb__> inb4 ww3 and the shakker works
2018-04-11T15:13:49 < Tectu> shakin´ dem babyz?
2018-04-11T15:13:58 < Laurenceb__> all day long
2018-04-11T15:14:13 < Tectu> karlp, I didn´t find anything related in there.
2018-04-11T15:14:32 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/9e1074f5b3/103740.png
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2018-04-11T15:18:42 < Laurenceb__> and I just found a waifu too
2018-04-11T15:18:54 < Laurenceb__> things are looking up
2018-04-11T15:19:08 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/9e1074f5b3/103746.jpg
2018-04-11T15:24:05 < karlp> Tectu: guess it doesn't then.
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2018-04-11T16:00:47 < dongs> it depends on usart peripheral version
2018-04-11T16:00:49 < dongs> I think L0 can't
2018-04-11T16:00:54 < dongs> but L1/L4 can
2018-04-11T16:01:12 < dongs> the invertable/not is in refman under the 'features' of usart.
2018-04-11T16:01:24 < dongs> first section after title
2018-04-11T16:02:07 < karlp> I would imagine l0/l4 could, if any could, but not l1 :)
2018-04-11T16:02:25 < Laurenceb__> what's the difference between yoghurt and America? Leave yoghurt on it's own for 200 years and it develops a culture, also less fat content
2018-04-11T16:02:37 < zyp> I'm with karlp
2018-04-11T16:02:43 < zyp> newer tends to have more features
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2018-04-11T16:02:58 < dongs> oh i forgot which was newer
2018-04-11T16:03:00 < dongs> L1 is M3 right?
2018-04-11T16:03:03 < zyp> yes
2018-04-11T16:03:09 < dongs> yeah ok then.
2018-04-11T16:03:22 < zyp> L0 has the cute stuff with RS485 DE, I use that on usbjvs
2018-04-11T16:04:09 < dongs> yeah thats listed in features
2018-04-11T16:04:14 < dongs> i dont see rx/tx swapping/inversion listed tho
2018-04-11T16:04:29 < dongs> but i only have L051 datasheet handy
2018-04-11T16:04:31 < Laurenceb__> > giving native americans plague blanket is not a culture
2018-04-11T16:05:17 < zyp> RM says "Separate signal polarity control for transmission and reception"
2018-04-11T16:05:24 < zyp> (for L052)
2018-04-11T16:05:33 < karlp> so tectoo can't read then.
2018-04-11T16:05:37 < dongs> ok, refman sayts you can swap rx/tx... but not invert
2018-04-11T16:05:44 < dongs> really?
2018-04-11T16:05:54 < dongs> oh shit right there im blind
2018-04-11T16:05:55 < dongs> ok, yeah
2018-04-11T16:06:30 < zyp> CR2 RXINV and TXINV bits
2018-04-11T16:06:33 < dongs> anyway DE and swap rx/tx is teh new usart periph so it should have inverting as well
2018-04-11T16:06:42 < dongs> same core
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2018-04-11T16:16:56 < Laurenceb__> oh shit
2018-04-11T16:16:57 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/9e1074f5b3/103757.jpg
2018-04-11T16:16:59 < Laurenceb__> its on
2018-04-11T16:17:46 < Laurenceb__> tfw miles away from nearest nuclear bunker
2018-04-11T16:19:59 < Laurenceb__> better get hysplit running
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2018-04-11T16:26:27 < Laurenceb__> tfw fallout is mostly headinhg away from me
2018-04-11T16:45:24 < Laurenceb__> 88D Multi-dimensional personality disorder
2018-04-11T16:46:23 < Laurenceb__> https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/373054743742275584
2018-04-11T16:50:10 < catphish> lol
2018-04-11T17:02:56 < Laurenceb__> https://www.flightradar24.com/1100fdf4
2018-04-11T17:03:24 < Laurenceb__> thats one slow uav
2018-04-11T17:03:29 < Laurenceb__> high altitude airship?
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2018-04-11T17:49:11 < dongs> sorry we couldnt find data about this flight
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2018-04-11T17:56:35 < jadew> https://www.phonearena.com/news/Bricked-IOS-3.11-disables-third-party-touch-displays_id103934
2018-04-11T18:03:03 < psprint_> At which frequency do the simplest timers like TIM7 run? Cube generated code with Prescaler == 0
2018-04-11T18:04:58 < karlp> look at your clock tree in the ref manual
2018-04-11T18:13:36 < psprint_> it's rather not there, I also looked for TIM7, rather not there, like if it was some basically known clock source. Forget about Configuration tab, I can set prescaller. But this lead to the question of clock source. Is it the well known frequency (like.. 216MHz of CPU?) or like some PDF for F2 & F4 says: APB1 clock
2018-04-11T18:18:19 < zyp> psprint_, how are we supposed to know, you haven't even said which part you're using
2018-04-11T18:22:09 < psprint_> zyp: it's F7, I thought it's shared, Application Note that should be an introduction to timers says like if the simplicity of TIM6 & TIM7 is shared among controllers. Read not only 1 pdf, this is hard to find, surprisingly
2018-04-11T18:22:45 < zyp> what F7?
2018-04-11T18:23:10 < psprint_> F767-ZIT6
2018-04-11T18:27:24 < karlp> so, look at the goddamn clock tree in the ref manual.
2018-04-11T18:28:22 < zyp> it's on APB1 and F7 is doing the 2x thing on timer clocks, so presumably it's running at 90MHz if the bus clocks are running at maximum
2018-04-11T18:29:28 < karlp> psprint_: you look at which clock register you have to use to enable the timer....
2018-04-11T18:29:51 < zyp> oh, I didn't think about that
2018-04-11T18:29:55 < karlp> so: and that's the APB1 register, bit 7
2018-04-11T18:30:00 < karlp> so look at the clock tree for apb1
2018-04-11T18:30:22 < zyp> I looked at the list of which buses and offsets each peripheral has
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2018-04-11T18:31:10 < zyp> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/group0/96/8b/0d/ec/16/22/43/71/DM00224583/files/DM00224583.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00224583.pdf
2018-04-11T18:31:10 < karlp> that sounds tedious :)
2018-04-11T18:31:13 < zyp> page 80
2018-04-11T18:31:43 < karlp> oh, that table makes it somewhat ok too I guess
2018-04-11T18:31:57 < zyp> yes
2018-04-11T18:32:33 < zyp> protip: at the end of the register map at the end of every chapter, there's a link to that table
2018-04-11T18:32:58 < zyp> so the quickest way to navigate to it is to click on a random chapter, scroll up half a page and click the link :p
2018-04-11T18:33:14 < karlp> now you're just rationlizing it :)
2018-04-11T18:33:29 < psprint_> In Cube there's ABP1 Timer Clock 108 MHz
2018-04-11T18:33:39 < psprint_> Clocks*
2018-04-11T18:33:52 < zyp> RM seems to claim APB1 max is 45 MHz
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2018-04-11T18:33:59 < zyp> and at 2x, timer clock would be 90 MHz
2018-04-11T18:34:54 < psprint_> I have HCLK1 ( 216 MHZ ) -> APB1 Prescaler ( / 4 ) -> x2 thing -> *2
2018-04-11T18:35:00 < aandrew> balls
2018-04-11T18:35:31 < aandrew> I was hoping I could get away with using the STM32F042's internal RC to get an I2S clock stable enough to feed the FM chip
2018-04-11T18:36:35 < aandrew> zyp: you lie
2018-04-11T18:36:50 < aandrew> I clicked on that pdf, picked a random peripheral, and scrolled up a half page and there is no link to that table
2018-04-11T18:37:28 < aandrew> owait
2018-04-11T18:37:32 < aandrew> nevermind, I'm just an idiot
2018-04-11T18:38:56 < psprint_> karlp: __HAL_RCC_TIM7_CLK_ENABLE does SET_BIT(RCC->APB1ENR, RCC_APB1ENR_TIM7EN);\,  quickiest way to find probably, still awkward
2018-04-11T18:40:24 < zyp> aandrew, haha
2018-04-11T18:40:25 < zyp> :)
2018-04-11T18:41:24 < aandrew> ooh, new cube updates for f4/f7
2018-04-11T18:41:28 < aandrew> wonder what they fucked up now
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2018-04-11T18:42:43 < emeb> it's like roulette
2018-04-11T18:43:33 < emeb> aandrew: which FM chip?
2018-04-11T18:43:45 < aandrew> si4706
2018-04-11T18:44:44 < emeb> what's the stability problem?
2018-04-11T18:44:58 < karlp> psprint_: that soundsd like the _hardest_ way of finding it out actually, but now that you know you can do that yourself :)
2018-04-11T18:45:10 < emeb> looks like that part just runs as an I2S slave so it should take whatever LCLK rate you give it
2018-04-11T18:48:41 < emeb> aandrew: does the si4706 care about the I2S sample rate stability?  Data sheet doesn't seem to give any specs on that.
2018-04-11T18:49:13 < aandrew> emeb: well I am not using a 32khz crystal
2018-04-11T18:49:44 < aandrew> I want to feed the chip on DCLK and tell the FM chip to divide down the I2S clock for its reference clock (they can do this just fine, but the reference clock from crystalless STM32F042 is not stable enough it seems)
2018-04-11T18:49:46 < emeb> aandrew: ah - so w/o that it tries to use the I2S rate as a reference for tuning?
2018-04-11T18:49:50 < aandrew> no
2018-04-11T18:50:21 < aandrew> you tell the FM chip (over i2c) that the clock is on DCLK and it needs to be divided down by x (refclk can be anywhere from 32kHz to 36kHz or someshit)
2018-04-11T18:50:28 < emeb> right
2018-04-11T18:51:21 < emeb> those RC oscs are only good to like 5% so your tuning could be way off.
2018-04-11T18:51:39 < aandrew> and I'm givnig it 256kHz DCLK, so I tell the si4706 to divide DCLK by 8 for 32000Hz
2018-04-11T18:51:46 < aandrew> exactly
2018-04-11T18:51:54 < aandrew> I was hoping that at stable temp it'd be much better than 5%
2018-04-11T18:52:11 < emeb> crystals are cheap
2018-04-11T18:52:47 < zyp> aandrew, HSI16 or HSI48?
2018-04-11T18:52:58 < zyp> (I'm not sure HSI48 can feed anything but usb)
2018-04-11T18:53:11 < aandrew> datasheet says HSI is 8MHz +/-1%
2018-04-11T18:53:13 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/9e1074f5b3/103766.png
2018-04-11T18:53:44 < zyp> HSI48 is the one that can be autotuned to be accurate enough for crystalless usb
2018-04-11T18:53:44 < aandrew> even 0-55 is -1/+2%
2018-04-11T18:54:04 < aandrew> zyp: I thought HSI48 locked to USB to achieve superstablity
2018-04-11T18:54:12 < emeb> but autotune w/ CRS is only good if you have USB running
2018-04-11T18:54:19 < emeb> needs that SOF signal
2018-04-11T18:54:25 < aandrew> I'm looking at table 38 on http://www.st.com/resource/en/datasheet/stm32f042c4.pdf
2018-04-11T18:54:34 < aandrew> that's HSI 8MHz, not 48 and at 25C is +/- 1%
2018-04-11T18:54:41 < aandrew> I'd have expected it to be clean enough
2018-04-11T18:54:53 < zyp> CRS can sync against other sources than SOF if you have
2018-04-11T18:55:04 < zyp> like LSE, IIRC
2018-04-11T18:55:20 < aandrew> HSI14 (for ADC only) is also +/- 1% at 25C
2018-04-11T18:55:41 < aandrew> HSI48 is +/- 3%
2018-04-11T18:55:47 < zyp> anyway, got to go
2018-04-11T18:56:06 < emeb> still you run into that old "root of trust" problem.
2018-04-11T18:56:30 < emeb> if none of the available references are stable then it doesn't matter what you lock to it's always likely to be wrong.
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2018-04-11T18:57:35 < emeb> aandrew: you could play some kind of rube-goldberg game where you use the FM chip to tune around and look for a known station, then calibrate your local osc to make it come in at the right freq.
2018-04-11T18:58:29 < emeb> of course you'd have to periodically do that, or else do some further predictive cal using the on-chip temp sensor.
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2018-04-11T18:58:56 < karlp> or you know, buy a crystal :)
2018-04-11T18:59:03 < emeb> lol
2018-04-11T18:59:26 < aandrew> emeb: haha
2018-04-11T18:59:28 < emeb> it's not about the cost - it's the challenge. the principle
2018-04-11T19:00:18 < emeb> "I was able to receive high-quality FM using only a paperclip, a dead fly and 256kB of assembly"
2018-04-11T19:00:21 < aandrew> emeb: in my application it doesn't matter what the actual frequency is; I'm looking for a specific station by RDS identification so between the AFC and the tuning, I should be able to find it
2018-04-11T19:00:55 < aandrew> my issue is that looking at DCLK on the scope very clearly shows it is not stable, which is odd given that my basement is at a constant temp and the power supply is also stable
2018-04-11T19:01:08 < aandrew> 256kb of assembly is TONS to receive high quality fm. :-)
2018-04-11T19:01:36 < karlp> what does dclk not being stable actually _do_ though?
2018-04-11T19:01:39 < karlp> like, what fails because of that?
2018-04-11T19:01:40 < emeb> aandrew: you can see jitter/variation on the DCLK short-term with the scope?
2018-04-11T19:01:48 < aandrew> yes, I can visibly see it
2018-04-11T19:01:52 < aandrew> not any fancy analysis
2018-04-11T19:02:03 < aandrew> I wonder if I've got the DCLK source misconfigured in HAL
2018-04-11T19:02:35 < emeb> aandrew: could be - wonder if the BRG in the I2S periph is on some odd ratio that causes jitter?
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2018-04-11T19:03:17 < aandrew> indeed
2018-04-11T19:03:18 < emeb> if that's the case you'd have trouble even with an xtal
2018-04-11T19:03:28 < aandrew> I'm looking at the code Cube spat out and it's a little weird too
2018-04-11T19:04:29 < emeb> karlp: if the dclk isn't stable then the FM chip's LO won't be on freq. If there's a lot of jitter then the LO might have sufficient phase noise that you wouldn't be able to receive at all.
2018-04-11T19:05:11 < aandrew> https://pastebin.com/2e7WDqa3
2018-04-11T19:06:11 < aandrew> then I just start an I2S receive (it will keep the clock running) and after that, go set up the FM chip to use DCLK/8 and that RCLK is 32000Hz
2018-04-11T19:06:55 < emeb> I don't see anything particularly worrisome there. The HAL I2S init routine may be doing some magic tho.
2018-04-11T19:07:11 < aandrew> yeah I have to go stepping through that
2018-04-11T19:07:22 < emeb> When I was playing around with I2S rates a while back I found that the ratios it ends up using are kinda hard to predict
2018-04-11T19:07:36 < emeb> and highly quantized.
2018-04-11T19:07:46 < emeb> ie - you don't usually get the exact rate you asked for.
2018-04-11T19:07:47 < aandrew> interestingly, it's setting up without a PLL and using HSI48 directly, with AHB/APB also at 48MHz
2018-04-11T19:08:24 < emeb> wonder if running it thru a PLL might filter out some of the jitter?
2018-04-11T19:08:36 < aandrew> I'm fortunate in the sense that I am using the I2S as the master, so whatever it's using I can select to be more or less exact
2018-04-11T19:09:20 < aandrew> that, and tell it to use the 1% HSI8 rather than 3% HSI48
2018-04-11T19:09:35 < emeb> yeah - might be a good plan.
2018-04-11T19:09:57 < aandrew> still I should *not* be able to SEE jitter with just a bare scope trace
2018-04-11T19:10:14 < emeb> Yeah - that really bugs me.
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2018-04-11T20:45:56 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/lXG/plain   cute
2018-04-11T20:52:24 < aandrew> haha
2018-04-11T20:52:27 < aandrew> where's that from
2018-04-11T20:53:52 < jpa-> reply from leixen support to me
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2018-04-11T21:38:50 < PaulFertser> Sounds like an honest and useful reply. Rare these days.
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2018-04-11T21:58:20 < kaa> Probs not from me
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2018-04-11T22:18:26 < englishman> anyone done emmc/cpu swap on iphone 6
2018-04-11T22:18:40 < kaa> why
2018-04-11T22:19:02 < englishman> data recovery
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2018-04-11T22:44:16 < Steffanx> Pass. Iphone -_-
2018-04-11T22:44:42 < Steffanx> Did stvn break his phone?
2018-04-11T22:45:04 < kaa> I need some non cloud solution to keep my phone shiet synced
2018-04-11T22:45:07 < kaa> locally
2018-04-11T22:45:11 < kaa> android
2018-04-11T22:45:33 < kaa> messages, quick messaging, photos, contacts, calls etc.
2018-04-11T22:45:46 < steverrrr> rsync?
2018-04-11T22:46:22 < kaa> hmmm
2018-04-11T22:46:23 < englishman> syncthing
2018-04-11T22:46:53 < kaa> sweet
2018-04-11T22:50:05 < steverrrr> neat
2018-04-11T22:52:02 < Steffanx> Wasnt that just the best of the worst, englishman ?
2018-04-11T22:52:59 < Steffanx> (i remember you complaining about it)
2018-04-11T23:02:36 < kaa> englishman, there is no way to install it - I don't like this portable stuff "didn't know or care to make an installer for windows nobody cares"
2018-04-11T23:03:12 < Steffanx> There is an setup.exe kaa (?!)
2018-04-11T23:04:01 < kaa> where.exe
2018-04-11T23:04:21 < Steffanx> Here.exe: https://github.com/canton7/SyncTrayzor/releases/tag/v1.1.21
2018-04-11T23:05:23 < kaa> what are these different things?
2018-04-11T23:05:44 < Steffanx> Uh?
2018-04-11T23:05:57 < kaa> I downloaded syncthing
2018-04-11T23:06:35 < Steffanx> Oh idk. Never used it.
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2018-04-11T23:07:18 < Steffanx> I remember englishman not being to happy with it. But my memory might be corrupted
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2018-04-11T23:39:00 < Laurenceb__> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02446678
2018-04-11T23:41:15 < Laurenceb__>  """"""urodynamic  investigations """"""
2018-04-11T23:41:29 < englishman> syncthing is temperamental
2018-04-11T23:43:13 < stvn> Hi
2018-04-11T23:43:28 < englishman> today i am louis rossman
2018-04-11T23:43:35 < stvn> :)
2018-04-11T23:43:45 < englishman> apparently some buttcoin billionaire left all his money in an iphone then smashed the screen or something
2018-04-11T23:43:54 < stvn> Ball grid niggers
2018-04-11T23:43:57 < stvn> Cool
2018-04-11T23:45:34 < Laurenceb__> fifty six percent
2018-04-11T23:46:06 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58-7cg9cYNY
2018-04-11T23:50:08 < Thorn> is this proper power/gnd/bypass cap routing https://i.imgur.com/AVP7lY4.png
2018-04-11T23:51:23 < kaa> one side layout?
2018-04-11T23:52:04 < Thorn> components on one side
2018-04-11T23:52:06 < Thorn> 2 layers
2018-04-11T23:53:22 < Thorn> "The power and ground pins should not be connected directly to the power and ground nets but through the decoupling capacitor, otherwise its effectiveness will be limited" — how true and important is this
2018-04-11T23:53:42 < kaa> what is that IC
2018-04-11T23:53:55 < Thorn> stm32f072c
2018-04-11T23:54:12 < kaa> what effectiveness?
2018-04-11T23:55:07 < Thorn> that's part of the question
2018-04-11T23:57:14 < kaa> I have never seen anyone to use power rail fill under mcu
2018-04-11T23:57:17 < kaa> interesting
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2018-04-12T00:02:53 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxs53OqAkN8
2018-04-12T00:02:55 < Laurenceb__> epin
2018-04-12T00:03:07 < kaa> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1R34doYWGum3LmIX4abnOY6ilmpSxWbtx/view?usp=sharing what my OCD says to do in this case
2018-04-12T00:03:56 < kaa> Thorn,
2018-04-12T00:07:35 < Steffanx> Dont all iphoners use icloud, englishman ?
2018-04-12T00:09:39 < englishman> dont know what that is
2018-04-12T00:09:47 < englishman> i think he mentioned that but it was all in french
2018-04-12T00:10:40 < Steffanx> Your OCD can handle with the non-aligned caps and the texts in random orientations, kaa?
2018-04-12T00:11:16 < Steffanx> icloud is apples cloud crap. Just what drive is for android (kinda)
2018-04-12T00:11:33 < englishman> i dono if buttcoin people would use that
2018-04-12T00:11:39 < kaa> Steffanx, y
2018-04-12T00:11:55 < kaa> I just remove text if there is issue
2018-04-12T00:12:24 < kaa> different size caps can be unaligned but same size must be aligned
2018-04-12T00:13:08 < kaa> and different size only when you can draw straight line that starts inside pad and ends inside another pad
2018-04-12T00:14:09 < kaa> from smaller pad center to within boundaries of bigger pad
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2018-04-12T00:16:15 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-12T00:18:49 < karlp> whee, new internet works http://www.speedtest.net/result/7219345989
2018-04-12T00:19:38 < stvn> Better download it
2018-04-12T00:19:57 < Laurenceb__> download a new internets
2018-04-12T00:19:59 < englishman> iceland internet is barely bigger than my home lan
2018-04-12T00:20:03 < englishman> thats cheating
2018-04-12T00:20:56 < Laurenceb__> status: planning guerilla attacks on us air force bases
2018-04-12T00:22:43 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-12T00:23:15 < Laurenceb__> hopefully they will mutiny at this point tho
2018-04-12T00:23:45 < Steffanx> Time for a new home network karlp ?
2018-04-12T00:24:02 < Steffanx> > 100MBit
2018-04-12T00:25:12 < jadew> karlp, that's nice
2018-04-12T00:25:18 < jadew> better than what I get
2018-04-12T00:25:41 < jadew> but I think my router is the bottleneck
2018-04-12T00:26:34 < aandrew> karlp: nice. where is that
2018-04-12T00:26:56 < zyp> I changed to a slower plan recently
2018-04-12T00:27:16 < Steffanx> This millenial doesnt understand why you REALLY need those speeds
2018-04-12T00:27:16 < jadew> zyp, you were getting dizzy?
2018-04-12T00:27:28 < jadew> Steffanx, HD porn
2018-04-12T00:27:39 < Steffanx> 200MBit down here and i dont need that at all.
2018-04-12T00:27:53 < zyp> used to have 160 Mb/s, ISP changed the plan to 260 and also hiked the price a bit
2018-04-12T00:28:16 < aandrew> I am at 100/10 I think
2018-04-12T00:28:28 < zyp> figured it started to get pointlessly expensive, so I switched to 120
2018-04-12T00:28:54 < zyp> http://www.speedtest.net/result/7219501361
2018-04-12T00:29:02 < Steffanx> With a bitrate of 200mbit+ jadew ?
2018-04-12T00:29:02 < jadew> this is what I'm getting with karlp's server: http://www.speedtest.net/result/7219506129
2018-04-12T00:29:26 < karlp> Steffanx: fiddled a couple of things, and yeah, have gigabit for most of the house now.
2018-04-12T00:29:34 < zyp> oh, I need to try karlp's server
2018-04-12T00:29:35 < karlp> aandrew: iceland.
2018-04-12T00:29:59 < karlp> basically all of town is now at gigabit domestically at least,
2018-04-12T00:30:17 < zyp> throughput to iceland seems decent enough, just a bunch of latency
2018-04-12T00:30:24 < zyp> http://www.speedtest.net/result/7219509315
2018-04-12T00:30:52 < zyp> hmm, this reminds me
2018-04-12T00:31:02 < aandrew> oh I see
2018-04-12T00:31:12 < zyp> I still haven't gotten the 500/500 from competitor ISP that I signed for in June last year
2018-04-12T00:31:13 < aandrew> nice congrats on the internet
2018-04-12T00:31:32 < aandrew> I would like 1000/100 personally but don’t want to spend
2018-04-12T00:31:36 < jadew> zyp's server: http://www.speedtest.net/result/7219511014
2018-04-12T00:32:16 < jadew> zyp, looks like you're basically getting limitted by the ISP
2018-04-12T00:32:21 < sync> Ya I'd be OK with 1G/1G
2018-04-12T00:32:30 < zyp> jadew, yes, my connection is 120/15
2018-04-12T00:32:37 < karlp> we just have hte option of how much bandwidth, speed is all 1000
2018-04-12T00:32:42 < zyp> guy came at the door offering 500/500 at the same price I paid for 80/15 at the time
2018-04-12T00:32:52 < zyp> karlp, data caps?
2018-04-12T00:32:55 < zyp> on home internet?
2018-04-12T00:33:07 < jadew> oh, that must be annoying
2018-04-12T00:33:12 < Steffanx> Guy at the door selling internet. That still happens? :d
2018-04-12T00:33:13 < jadew> how much data?
2018-04-12T00:33:24 < zyp> Steffanx, apparently
2018-04-12T00:33:34 < zyp> and the offer was good enough that I signed up
2018-04-12T00:33:43 < zyp> guy said estimate was three months
2018-04-12T00:33:49 < zyp> that was in June last year
2018-04-12T00:33:53 < zyp> I'm still waiting
2018-04-12T00:34:29 < zyp> at this rate, I'll be moving before it happens :p
2018-04-12T00:34:29 < karlp> I'm on 200gig, it's the smallest plan they sell at this provider
2018-04-12T00:34:35 < jadew> this is what I'm getting with a local server:
2018-04-12T00:34:36 < jadew> http://www.speedtest.net/result/7219517227
2018-04-12T00:34:38 < karlp> more than enoujgh
2018-04-12T00:34:42 < jadew> it seems I got capped at 500 Mbps
2018-04-12T00:35:08 < jadew> when I first got this plan it wasn't capped
2018-04-12T00:35:29 < jadew> yeah, 200 gb is enough
2018-04-12T00:35:46 < zyp> I've got no idea how much I transfer in a typical month
2018-04-12T00:36:01 < zyp> I just like not having to even think about it
2018-04-12T00:36:22 < Steffanx> I think in this house we do more than that.
2018-04-12T00:36:52 < englishman> aandrew: bell 1000/100 is rarely ever that speed, i found it was usually 300-400
2018-04-12T00:36:59 < englishman> and cancelled after 4 months
2018-04-12T00:37:17 < Steffanx> You know thats only like 20 hours of the HD porn you need... jadew ?
2018-04-12T00:37:21 < aandrew> that’s one thing I liked about even moderate cities in .ro
2018-04-12T00:37:22 < aandrew> the apartments all seemed to have pretty good connectivity
2018-04-12T00:37:30 < aandrew> Bucharest of course, but severin was fast too
2018-04-12T00:38:13 < jadew> Steffanx, should be enough, I rewatch a lot of older stuff
2018-04-12T00:38:36 < aandrew> englishman: yeah. my house is cable, but bell wanted $80/mo for their basic and couldn’t even provide that because we are on the old circuit. there’s a shiny pad not even km away but they wouldn’t put us on it.
2018-04-12T00:38:51 < aandrew> I laughed when they said $80 and I’d get 2m/256 most likely
2018-04-12T00:38:56 < englishman> ha yea
2018-04-12T00:39:01 < zyp> when I torrented more, 200GB/mo wouldn't have been enough, but I don't really torrent much nowadays
2018-04-12T00:39:22 < zyp> pretty much everything I've wanted to watch lately is available on netflix
2018-04-12T00:39:26 < englishman> idk since HDTV got popular, 200mbps is ubiquitious
2018-04-12T00:39:26 < jadew> me neither, I just watch the garbage on netflix
2018-04-12T00:40:12 < jadew> zyp, your netflix must be better
2018-04-12T00:40:20 < jadew> there's not a lot to watch on ours
2018-04-12T00:40:34 < zyp> hmm
2018-04-12T00:40:43 < jadew> the horror ones were ok tho
2018-04-12T00:40:48 < jadew> the ones I watched
2018-04-12T00:41:18 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/gallery/takdk5w
2018-04-12T00:41:23 < zyp> I downloaded 45 gigs of movies a few weeks ago though
2018-04-12T00:41:26 < jadew> remember how I was bitching about DHL, UPS is so much better it has events from the future on its tracking page
2018-04-12T00:41:44 < jadew> Import Scan <- shows up with the hour and minute from tomorrow
2018-04-12T00:41:45 < zyp> my wife came with a list of movies she wanted to watch, so I just grabbed everything that weren't on netflix
2018-04-12T00:41:48 < jadew> and it's there since earlier today
2018-04-12T00:41:55 < aandrew> yep that’s what I do
2018-04-12T00:42:57 < aandrew> Rogers ignite 100u is what I have. no bandwidth tracking, and I used 600G (up and down)
2018-04-12T00:43:50 < zyp> hmm, I wonder if my router have traffic figures
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2018-04-12T00:46:06 < aandrew> zyp in real life: https://imgur.com/gallery/ybyrV
2018-04-12T00:48:04 < zyp> router has 773 GB down and 175 GB up since last reboot, 109 days ago
2018-04-12T00:49:08 < zyp> around 9GB/day average, 270GB/mo
2018-04-12T00:50:42 < stvn> The nbn is 21st century dial up
2018-04-12T00:51:30 < stvn> In .au if you smoke enough drugs 240p is HD
2018-04-12T00:52:35 < englishman> my chrome.exe is using 773GB ram
2018-04-12T00:53:55 < stvn> Nice
2018-04-12T00:54:06 < jadew> there's probably going to be a time when that statement is going to be true
2018-04-12T00:54:12 < stvn> Good thing you have 4TB
2018-04-12T00:54:25 < jadew> cuz windows needs 1 to boot up
2018-04-12T00:54:42 < Steffanx> Windows doesnt mind swapping to spinning rust much.
2018-04-12T00:54:57 < stvn> I wonder if firecocks ever fixed the memory leak
2018-04-12T00:55:03 < englishman> no
2018-04-12T00:55:06 < englishman> they did not
2018-04-12T00:55:15 < englishman> tried the new hypeversion last year
2018-04-12T00:55:17 < jadew> good idea
2018-04-12T00:55:22 < Steffanx> Worksonmymachine.pro
2018-04-12T00:55:28 < jadew> browser poll
2018-04-12T00:55:36 < jadew> <= chrome
2018-04-12T00:55:42 < stvn> Http get
2018-04-12T00:55:44 < Steffanx> Chrome and firefox.
2018-04-12T00:56:23 < stvn> Nah chrome
2018-04-12T00:56:37 < Steffanx> Is opera still a thing?
2018-04-12T00:56:45 < jadew> Steffanx, for mobile maybe
2018-04-12T00:56:55 < jadew> zyp, englishman?
2018-04-12T00:57:01 < zyp> chrome
2018-04-12T00:57:04 < englishman> a script that emails .html files to me
2018-04-12T00:57:05 < jadew> Steffanx, why do you use both?
2018-04-12T00:57:11 < jadew> lol englishman
2018-04-12T00:57:23 < jadew> I use FF to look up my passwords
2018-04-12T00:57:38 < jadew> because I used to use it until about two years ago
2018-04-12T00:57:52 < Steffanx> There is no answer to that jadew
2018-04-12T00:57:57 < Steffanx> Because idk
2018-04-12T00:58:22 < Steffanx> Maybe a bad side effect from my years a wannabee webdev
2018-04-12T00:58:36 < Steffanx> Of a*
2018-04-12T00:59:16 < Lux> firefox works fine for me
2018-04-12T00:59:17 < jadew> I think chrome is winning these days because of its javascript engine
2018-04-12T00:59:39 < Lux> but imo there is hardly any difference since the update
2018-04-12T00:59:50 < stvn> They all work fine imo
2018-04-12T00:59:54 < jadew> Lux, in speed?
2018-04-12T00:59:57 < Lux> yeah
2018-04-12T00:59:58 < stvn> Just avoid flash
2018-04-12T00:59:58 < jadew> I'll have to check
2018-04-12T01:00:12 < jadew> last I looked into it, FF was much slower than chrome when executing JS
2018-04-12T01:00:18 < Steffanx> Let all run this sunspider test or whatver is hot nowadays
2018-04-12T01:00:20 < Lux> before firefox definetly was worse, now you notice no difference
2018-04-12T01:00:31 < jadew> and with so many websites being so JS heavy, chrome ends up being faster
2018-04-12T01:00:51 < Steffanx> Click2js <3
2018-04-12T01:01:02 < Lux> quantum is what I'm refering to
2018-04-12T01:01:03 < stvn> The last flash aids I used was an ancient service page for RAs I used to do once upon a time
2018-04-12T01:01:06 < Steffanx> Or noscript plugin
2018-04-12T01:02:02 < jadew> benchmark, chrome: https://goo.gl/vPKdXD
2018-04-12T01:03:50 < jadew> FF: https://goo.gl/N3HFj9
2018-04-12T01:03:54 < jadew> heh, FF is faster
2018-04-12T01:04:46 < Steffanx> Lol
2018-04-12T01:05:37 < jadew> IE is the fastest lol: https://goo.gl/K4HZk2
2018-04-12T01:06:06 < jadew> like... really really fast
2018-04-12T01:06:16 < Steffanx> Edge or ie?
2018-04-12T01:06:20 < jadew> IE
2018-04-12T01:06:22 < jadew> checking edge now
2018-04-12T01:07:14 < jadew> even faster
2018-04-12T01:07:24 < jadew> https://goo.gl/TBfVrC
2018-04-12T01:07:26 < Steffanx> Sunspider is old btw. Jetstream it is now
2018-04-12T01:07:39 < jadew> still...
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2018-04-12T01:09:04 < jadew> doing opera now
2018-04-12T01:09:31 < jadew> https://goo.gl/7JXMDi
2018-04-12T01:09:49 < jadew> slightly worse than chrome
2018-04-12T01:11:05 < jadew> probably because it's using the same engine
2018-04-12T01:11:31 < jadew> funnily enough, old safari does better: https://goo.gl/CVVZgA
2018-04-12T01:11:35 < jadew> but not better than IE
2018-04-12T01:21:47 < stvn> Hey mate
2018-04-12T01:21:54 < stvn> How about EDGE
2018-04-12T01:22:18 < stvn> dong’s fave
2018-04-12T01:26:13 < jadew> watching "Life (1999)", this scene is fucking hilareous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ailOF_R2w1Y
2018-04-12T01:36:49 < Thorn> lol I had to create stm32f0xx_hal_conf.h for vs code intellisense to finally start working. (I'm not using hal, just #including stm32f0xx.h)
2018-04-12T01:44:50 < stvn> Oh vs
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2018-04-12T02:04:16 < jadew> is that sci-hub thing still online?
2018-04-12T02:05:12 < Cracki> sci-hub.tw
2018-04-12T02:05:27 < jadew> thanks
2018-04-12T02:05:30 < Cracki> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci-Hub
2018-04-12T02:05:47 < BrainDamage> asc are crypto signatures
2018-04-12T02:06:05 < BrainDamage> bleh, note to self: pay attention if you're scrolled up
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2018-04-12T02:20:56 < Thorn> vs code config, seems to finally work https://gist.github.com/pthorn/143904187915d82e38dd917bef68a918
2018-04-12T02:21:48 < aandrew> sci-hub is still around. takes some dicking around to find the new site domain sometimes
2018-04-12T02:21:49 < Thorn> use latest vs code update, paths need editing of course
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2018-04-12T02:30:20 < Thorn> if anyone doesn't know about -Wl,--print-memory-usage now you do lol
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2018-04-12T03:55:34 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/4MwHE4N.gifv
2018-04-12T03:59:10 < aandrew> hm
2018-04-12T03:59:13 < aandrew> anyone coherent here?
2018-04-12T03:59:17 < aandrew> I've got a weirdass issue
2018-04-12T03:59:28 < aandrew> two AP3417C (buck) regulators. 5V->3.3 and 5V->1.2
2018-04-12T03:59:47 < aandrew> 3.3V reg has its enable pin tied to an opamp in comparator+hystersis arrangement to enable 3.3 when 1.2 comes up
2018-04-12T04:00:01 < aandrew> with the opamp out of circuit, 1.2V output is 1.2V, life is good
2018-04-12T04:00:10 < aandrew> with the opamp in circuit, 1.2V output is up around 2.5V
2018-04-12T04:00:16 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/a/krZI5
2018-04-12T04:01:27 < aandrew> from what I can gather, when the 1.2V is up, the output of the opamp is at 5V and that's injecting voltage back into the 1.2V through R34, but the regulator should not have any trouble iwth this and i'd just get (5-1.2)/105k1 through the resistors which is nothing
2018-04-12T04:06:59 < aandrew> huh
2018-04-12T04:07:06 < aandrew> I put any real load on the 1.2V rail and it comes right in line
2018-04-12T04:08:16 < aandrew> even 10mA is enough
2018-04-12T04:08:17 < aandrew> ok it looks like I'm chasing a ghost due to a lightly loaded regulator coming out of regulation
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2018-04-12T05:22:00 < englishman> https://github.com/goruby/goruby
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2018-04-12T05:25:04 < englishman> is there any load on 1v2 at all? like does it stick to 1.2V when you put 1.5k as a load
2018-04-12T05:25:53 < englishman> if the only load is your 10M measurement tool you could see higher
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2018-04-12T05:29:03 < englishman> then you are dividing 105k and 10M
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2018-04-12T05:39:33 < aandrew> englishman: with *no* load it's rising up to ~2.5V
2018-04-12T05:39:42 < aandrew> as soon as I put even 10mA on the 1.2 rail it behaves
2018-04-12T05:39:55 < aandrew> I put all the supplies on first and test them before putting expensive components like FPGAs on them
2018-04-12T05:40:18 < aandrew> I bought this little re:load pro on a whim but it's actually been a pretty handy little tool
2018-04-12T05:40:38 < aandrew> unrelated: these wuerth inductors stay FUCKING HOT when reflowing them
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2018-04-12T05:44:06 < Rob235> screw you Steffanx and kakimir
2018-04-12T06:08:41 < stvn> Engineering
2018-04-12T06:18:15 < englishman> aandrew: so your voltage divider is working as intended :)
2018-04-12T06:24:37 < aandrew> indeed it is; I just thought the 1.2V regulator would see the voltage rise and try to correct it
2018-04-12T06:26:26 < englishman> LDO right? not sure how it would do that
2018-04-12T06:26:51 < englishman> or if you would want it to, in normal cases
2018-04-12T06:27:39 < englishman> nvm they are bucks
2018-04-12T06:27:47 < englishman> still, not sure how you'd expect it to behave here
2018-04-12T06:28:26 < englishman> most buck switchers specify vout can be only be vin+0.3 anyway
2018-04-12T06:31:04 < Rob235> I gave in and ordered a rpi 3 B+ to replace my esp8266
2018-04-12T06:31:35 < Rob235> I keep running into problems flashing the esp, not sure why
2018-04-12T06:32:40 < aandrew> no not ldo, buck
2018-04-12T06:32:59 < aandrew> englishman: without a load you're right
2018-04-12T06:33:01 < aandrew> I'm not thinking clearly
2018-04-12T06:33:12 < aandrew> all it can do is stop driving the fet altogether
2018-04-12T06:33:16 < englishman> right
2018-04-12T06:33:27 < aandrew> and my only path to ground then is the meter
2018-04-12T06:35:33 < englishman> the ole dmm as load trick
2018-04-12T06:35:42 < aandrew> heh
2018-04-12T06:36:12 < englishman> might be a good idea to put a voltage follower there instead
2018-04-12T06:36:46 < machineh1> lol
2018-04-12T06:36:50 < englishman> or, any other type of logical or
2018-04-12T06:36:53 < machineh1> dmm in current mode
2018-04-12T06:37:08 < machineh1> classic load
2018-04-12T06:38:20 < englishman> machine, did you graduate
2018-04-12T06:38:43 < machineh1> Part time studies
2018-04-12T06:38:58 < machineh1> Graduated from diploma a while ago
2018-04-12T06:39:02 < machineh1> Work full time
2018-04-12T06:39:07 < englishman> cool
2018-04-12T06:39:11 < englishman> in your field?
2018-04-12T06:39:20 < machineh1> Sure am
2018-04-12T06:39:35 < englishman> nice
2018-04-12T06:40:15 < machineh1> Started off in Prostetics, moved into idustrial automation now in product development
2018-04-12T06:40:35 < machineh1> Prosthetics*
2018-04-12T06:41:52 < englishman> you should buy a gun to celebrate
2018-04-12T06:42:38 < machineh1> merp
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2018-04-12T07:03:48 < stvn> Where is it
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2018-04-12T07:25:03 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-mwyLitQcY
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2018-04-12T07:37:54 < machineh1> 'Octane, the competition will be in shock-tane'
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2018-04-12T07:49:52 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/a/Nox4U
2018-04-12T07:50:10 < aandrew> soldered up 6 of those, that's the SO8 version, I have SOT236 and SOT23 versions too
2018-04-12T07:50:51 < aandrew> they're quad mosfet drivers, can either drive the fet drivers with 5, 10, 12 or a 20V supply
2018-04-12T07:51:21 < aandrew> 5/12 come from the carrier, 10 is from a shitty switched capacitor regulator that dongs said every cheap quad uses, and 20V is from a boost reg on the bottom of the board
2018-04-12T07:52:10 < aandrew> the depop r/c/d in the middle are for experimenting and there are literally hundreds of fets that will fit one of those three footprints
2018-04-12T07:52:27 < aandrew> my guess is I won't even need to use gate drivers for my application but these boards are all about the experiment
2018-04-12T08:02:28 < englishman> artik project is a go
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2018-04-12T12:32:58 < jadew`> I got burned again on ebay
2018-04-12T12:33:05 < jadew`> thought it was the best deal ever
2018-04-12T12:33:09 < jadew`> it wasn't
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2018-04-12T12:33:44 < jadew`> all the cables are cut inside + missing parts
2018-04-12T12:33:55 < jadew`> some stuff seems to be ripped off of boards
2018-04-12T12:34:07 < jadew`> (probably someone had to destroy it and went to town)
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2018-04-12T12:34:55 < jadew`> who does that tho? companies or government?
2018-04-12T12:34:57 < jadew`> and why?
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2018-04-12T12:47:13 < karlp> you keep thinking, "best deal ever!" and keep going, "lucky me!" instead, "too good to be true!"
2018-04-12T12:47:29 < jadew`> karlp, I got lucky with some stuff
2018-04-12T12:48:38 < jadew`> this was a huge gamble tho
2018-04-12T12:49:08 < jadew`> it's a 20-30k piece of equipment and I got it for $300
2018-04-12T12:49:41 < jadew`> I hope I can sell some of the stuff inside, but none of the useful stuff remains
2018-04-12T12:50:02 < jadew`> I was hoping for some 60-80 GHz attenuators
2018-04-12T12:50:18 < jadew`> but I they were all taken out
2018-04-12T12:52:36 < jadew`> http://5.12.44.151/stuff/20180412_124307.jpg
2018-04-12T12:53:37 < jadew`> I can probably sell those 3.5mm connectors
2018-04-12T12:55:07 < jadew`> those couplers might be worth something too
2018-04-12T12:55:34 < karlp> have fun doing the grunt work selling the shitty leftovers
2018-04-12T12:55:48 < jadew`> yeah... kinda sucks
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2018-04-12T13:05:40 < PaulFertser> jadew`: insurance companies require a proof of total destruction, some convincing photos from a customer can be enough.
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2018-04-12T13:07:02 < karlp> heh, yeah, a "friend" "helped"  put my tent up for me on a trip a few years back, manged to tear it nicely.
2018-04-12T13:07:33 < karlp> their insurance offered to pay for it, but went like, "it's a tent, that's only tops worth like $x, we can give you that, but you have to give us the tent so we can destroy it"
2018-04-12T13:07:49 < karlp> and I'm like, "tent is worth $x*50 to replace, no fucking way"
2018-04-12T13:24:02 < jadew`> shitty
2018-04-12T13:24:58 < jadew`> aparently hitting a budget is also a reason
2018-04-12T13:30:45 < Thorn> which dma request are you supposed to use for dma pwm output: TIMx_UP or the TIMx_CHy channel?
2018-04-12T13:32:40 < karlp> heh, some of this is neat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gl6iaVXZu0
2018-04-12T13:46:07 < karlp> englishman: thangs for the new kreosan gif :)
2018-04-12T13:47:17 < zyp> Thorn, doesn't matter, they'll both fire once per cycle
2018-04-12T13:47:46 < zyp> a reasonable rule of thumb is to trigger on the same condition you're updating
2018-04-12T13:48:15 < zyp> if you're updating ARR, trigger on UP, if you're updating CHx, trigger on CHx
2018-04-12T13:49:03 < zyp> updating multiple channels from UP would probably only work on timers that support DMA burst mode
2018-04-12T14:00:53 < Thorn> it just feels weird to use an event with an essentailly random phase but I didn't really think about multiple channels
2018-04-12T14:00:55 < Thorn> thanks
2018-04-12T14:01:20 < stvn> pump
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2018-04-12T14:04:06 < zyp> Thorn, just make sure you enable preload
2018-04-12T14:04:44 < Thorn> certainly
2018-04-12T14:53:58 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZGXUZieyfA
2018-04-12T14:59:06 < Laurenceb__> https://twitter.com/GrrrGraphics/status/984148779405160448
2018-04-12T14:59:08 < Laurenceb__> sheeet
2018-04-12T14:59:28 < Laurenceb__> >The edit memes aren't needed anymore.
2018-04-12T15:09:44 < kaa> so if I have define shiet -1
2018-04-12T15:11:29 < kaa> then have balls+shiet
2018-04-12T15:12:55 < kaa> results balls-1 no funky stuff with prefixes but works like in mathematics?
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2018-04-12T15:14:21 < Thorn> kaa: #define shiet (-1)
2018-04-12T15:14:42 < kaa> actually did that
2018-04-12T15:14:55 < kaa> so that is correct way?
2018-04-12T15:15:15 < Thorn> I believe so
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2018-04-12T15:40:23 < zyp> what Thorn said
2018-04-12T15:41:29 < zyp> defining it as -1 could give you weird interactions, but (-1) should be safe
2018-04-12T15:41:47 < zyp> e.g. -shiet would be --1, which would be a syntax error
2018-04-12T15:41:50 < zyp> -(-1) is fine
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2018-04-12T16:02:38 < jadew`> got two of these: http://5.12.44.151/stuff/20180412_151958.jpg
2018-04-12T16:02:53 < jadew`> those are the only worthy mentions so far
2018-04-12T16:02:57 < karlp> 12wsa it worth $300?
2018-04-12T16:03:28 < jadew`> karlp, I could probably sell one for $250 or so
2018-04-12T16:03:39 < jadew`> also 2 K-band detectors
2018-04-12T16:03:54 < jadew`> but I don't know who would buy that
2018-04-12T16:04:09 < jadew`> + a bunch of boards that only someone who would repair a similar device would need
2018-04-12T16:04:12 < jadew`> so they're useless
2018-04-12T16:05:16 < jadew`> also 2 x 40 GHz, 70 dB step attenuators
2018-04-12T16:05:21 < jadew`> again, not sure who would buy that
2018-04-12T16:05:38 < zyp> what sort of device is it?
2018-04-12T16:05:45 < jadew`> 40 GHz VNA
2018-04-12T16:06:09 < jadew`> but most of the interesting shit was already taken out (fixed attenuators and stuff)
2018-04-12T16:06:33 < jadew`> I wonder who much the bias tees are worth
2018-04-12T16:06:43 < jadew`> and the bulk 3.5mm connectors
2018-04-12T16:08:01 < jadew`> *how
2018-04-12T16:09:10 < zyp> karlp, the whole destruction requirement is stupid
2018-04-12T16:09:41 < jadew`> I agree
2018-04-12T16:09:44 < jadew`> wasted money
2018-04-12T16:10:27 < zyp> semi-related story, I noticed last week that a countertop I bought at ikea last year started cracking on the front edge: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/xLSx2.jpg
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2018-04-12T16:11:34 < jadew`> I stopped using ikea
2018-04-12T16:11:55 < karlp> you'd rather buy ikea second hands from overseas on ebay  ;)
2018-04-12T16:11:58 < zyp> I needed some other stuff from ikea, so I went over and asked if that would be a warranty thing
2018-04-12T16:12:01 < jadew`> haha karlp
2018-04-12T16:12:13 < jadew`> zyp, what did they say?
2018-04-12T16:12:37 < karlp> ikea's normall pretty great at just "here's a replacement, no need to give us the old one" here at least
2018-04-12T16:13:08 < karlp> I even got led lights replaced, that had failed.  had the receipt and said, "no fucking way has this passed it's hour limit since this date"
2018-04-12T16:14:21 < jadew`> when I made my new benches I made 4 regular size desks and 2 bigger ones for the price of one big table top
2018-04-12T16:14:41 < jadew`> karlp, funny you mention that, I just had an ikea light bulb fail the other day
2018-04-12T16:14:54 < jadew`> but I didn't have the receipt
2018-04-12T16:16:29 < zyp> "oh, sure, are you able to bring home a new today?" "no, sorry, I didn't bring the roof rack for the car today" "okay, I'll just give you a gift card for the value then and you can come use it to buy a new one whenever"
2018-04-12T16:16:33 < zyp> basically
2018-04-12T16:16:59 < zyp> i.e. what karlp said
2018-04-12T16:17:09 < jadew`> that's nice
2018-04-12T16:19:07 < zyp> my experiences with ikea overall is that they have awesome customer support
2018-04-12T16:20:17 < jadew`> they can afford it, considering they sell cardboard furniture
2018-04-12T16:20:54 < jadew`> my 3d printer case is made from an ikea box + a door with a window
2018-04-12T16:21:03 < jadew`> and it tilts because of the weight of the window
2018-04-12T16:21:07 < jadew`> (all from ikea)
2018-04-12T16:21:52 < jadew`> can't reinforce the box, because it's empty everywhere, so I can't attach an L with screws, to make it keep its shape
2018-04-12T16:22:41 < jadew`> also, when I drilled a 7 cm diameter hole, the crap that was inside looked like actual cardboard
2018-04-12T16:22:46 < jadew`> should have taken a photo
2018-04-12T16:23:04 < jadew`> I guess not all of their stuff is like that, but it seems a lot of it is
2018-04-12T16:23:11 < karlp> you have the worst purchasing guidelines somehow man
2018-04-12T16:23:23 < karlp> ikea sells a range of products, from cardboard through to very good value solid products
2018-04-12T16:23:59 < jadew`> I got that box because it was the right dimensions
2018-04-12T16:24:06 < jadew`> and didn't really want to make one myself
2018-04-12T16:24:19 < karlp> and then you complain that it's not made out of a material that you wanted?
2018-04-12T16:24:33 < karlp> lurn to write RFPs dude
2018-04-12T16:24:35 < jadew`> not really complaining
2018-04-12T16:24:45 < jadew`> it was cheap, so it's fine
2018-04-12T16:26:00 < karlp> goldfishes have better memory than you I think sometimes :)
2018-04-12T16:26:40 < jadew`> I was kinda expecting it, but I'm just stating a fact
2018-04-12T16:26:43 < jadew`> they sell a lot of shit
2018-04-12T16:27:16 < jadew`> and again, it's not particularly economical either
2018-04-12T16:27:26 < Steffanx> You bought one of those glossy tables jadew` ?
2018-04-12T16:27:39 < jadew`> Steffanx, no
2018-04-12T16:28:01 < Steffanx> Oh, ok. That one is used a lot for enclosures
2018-04-12T16:28:12 < jadew`> let me show you what I got
2018-04-12T16:28:19 < jadew`> ah, I know which one you mean
2018-04-12T16:28:27 < jadew`> yeah, but that one is not tall enough
2018-04-12T16:28:34 < jadew`> and you have to keep the filament outside
2018-04-12T16:29:18 < jadew`> got this: https://www.ikea.com/ro/ro/catalog/products/30128177/
2018-04-12T16:29:47 < jadew`> and I'm trying to remember the door name
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2018-04-12T16:30:40 < jadew`> and this door: https://www.ikea.com/ro/ro/catalog/products/10296317/
2018-04-12T16:30:41 < jadew`> on white
2018-04-12T16:33:29 < jadew`> http://5.12.44.151/stuff/20180412_163158.jpg
2018-04-12T16:34:38 < jadew`> I like that the filament fits in there, because it won't collect dust
2018-04-12T16:37:27 < zyp> you generally get what you pay for
2018-04-12T16:37:54 < zyp> my desk that I bought from ikea in 2011 is still awesome, holding up fine
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2018-04-12T16:38:23 < zyp> even having been disassembled and reassembled a couple of times for moving in between
2018-04-12T16:40:48 < jadew`> I had two desks from ikea too and they're ok for the most part, but I left a 20 kg SA on one for a month or so and it bent it
2018-04-12T16:41:40 < jadew`> I don't care about the bent, but I'd be afraid to put something heavier
2018-04-12T16:41:46 < karlp> it seems like you persist in buying garbage, repeatedly.
2018-04-12T16:42:01 < jadew`> lol, old HP SAs are not garbage
2018-04-12T16:42:21 < jadew`> they're still much better than a lot of the newer stuff
2018-04-12T16:42:30 < karlp> I was talking about the desk
2018-04-12T16:42:33 < jadew`> ah
2018-04-12T16:42:36 < karlp> I don't give a shit what weighed 20kg
2018-04-12T16:42:54 < karlp> if your desk _bends_ with 20kg on it, it hardly deserves to be called a desk
2018-04-12T16:43:00 < jadew`> well, you don't have many options in terms of desks at ikea
2018-04-12T16:43:14 < karlp> again, you seem to willfully ignore a large range of options that ikea sells
2018-04-12T16:43:20 < jadew`> the 150x75 table top I wanted to get, which was about $100 was still empty
2018-04-12T16:43:25 < jadew`> (I knocked this time)
2018-04-12T16:43:58 < karlp> unless it' sj ust that ikea.ro only sells junk, because .ro people only like to buy junk? that seems unlikely, but it'ðs where this seems to be heading...
2018-04-12T16:44:30 < jadew`> don't know... I haven't found any decent table tops after I became aware of this issue
2018-04-12T16:44:38 < jadew`> it's possible, but I doubt that's the case
2018-04-12T16:44:59 < jadew`> if you find one that isn't empty, let me know and I'll look for it in our ikea store
2018-04-12T16:48:38 < englishman> the desk zyp bought isnt laminate, if you stay away from ikea's laminates or at least treat them well and keep them dry then ikea crap is ok
2018-04-12T16:49:02 < karlp> klimpen or gerton are both _listed_ as 50kg, I have a hilver, and I can sit on it no problem, even though it doesn't have a "rating" from ikea
2018-04-12T16:49:06 < englishman> well their super low end stuff is pretty flimsy too
2018-04-12T16:49:26 < englishman> that reminds me tho, new countertops this summer would be nice
2018-04-12T16:49:51 < englishman> from their KĀRLP line
2018-04-12T16:51:18 < zyp> I'd recommend my desk, but that series is unfortunately discontinued
2018-04-12T16:53:07 < Rob235> $8 lack table ftw!
2018-04-12T16:55:07 < zyp> https://www.ikea.com/assembly_instructions/galant-table__2_Q112_PUB.PDF <- this modular stuff
2018-04-12T16:55:12 < zyp> I have the combination on page 18
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2018-04-12T16:56:40 < zyp> seems like the only decent desks they sell nowadays are BEKANT, and they aren't modular
2018-04-12T16:56:57 < zyp> and fairly small compared to the one I've got
2018-04-12T16:57:01 < englishman> yeah i bought those same desks at least twice
2018-04-12T16:57:03 < jadew`> karlp, that gerton one looks nice, but for that price you can get a 280x200cm and make several table tops
2018-04-12T16:57:13 < jadew`> and you may even end up cheaper
2018-04-12T16:57:27 < zyp> depends how much your time is worth :)
2018-04-12T16:57:37 < jadew`> zyp, it doesn't take any time
2018-04-12T16:57:50 < jadew`> you just hand them the drawing with how you want that sheet cut
2018-04-12T16:57:52 < jadew`> and they do the rest
2018-04-12T16:58:09 < jadew`> and that was about $5 for me
2018-04-12T16:58:20 < jadew`> (still within that price)
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2018-04-12T16:59:48 < zyp> my wife's desk was like $5
2018-04-12T17:00:32 < zyp> they had a clearance on a particular color combination of the LINNMON once, like $5/ea, so I picked up two
2018-04-12T17:00:46 < jadew`> nice
2018-04-12T17:00:57 < jadew`> I had the linnmon ones
2018-04-12T17:01:35 < jadew`> but paid a bit more, like $30 for each
2018-04-12T17:01:42 < zyp> they don't seem all that durable, but all my wife uses it for anyway is her laptop and some notebooks and stuff
2018-04-12T17:01:57 < zyp> yeah, they are cheap by default too
2018-04-12T17:02:28 < jadew`> they're fine for most stuff
2018-04-12T17:03:11 < zyp> looks like the tops are usually 195 NOK, the ones I bought I got for 50 NOK
2018-04-12T17:03:20 < zyp> white with green edges
2018-04-12T17:03:52 < jadew`> they're a bit cheaper than in here
2018-04-12T17:04:53 < zyp> maybe we're looking at different sizes, I'm not sure exactly which one I got
2018-04-12T17:05:10 < jadew`> I had the 120x60 one
2018-04-12T17:05:20 < zyp> yeah, that's the one that's 195 NOK
2018-04-12T17:05:32 < zyp> (without legs)
2018-04-12T17:05:56 < zyp> legs are 25 NOK/ea, so add another 100 NOK for those
2018-04-12T17:06:45 < englishman> has anyone messed around with this https://github.com/osqzss/gps-sdr-sim
2018-04-12T17:06:49 < jadew`> the legs don't hold either
2018-04-12T17:06:50 < englishman> does it simulate a single gps satellite?
2018-04-12T17:06:56 < jadew`> I had to replace them after about a month
2018-04-12T17:07:04 < jadew`> got sturdier ones from a different place
2018-04-12T17:07:06 < englishman> ie, to simulate a 3d lock i would have to spin up 4-5 sdrs
2018-04-12T17:07:36 < jadew`> englishman, why?
2018-04-12T17:07:45 < jadew`> can't it just send multiple packets?
2018-04-12T17:07:50 < zyp> englishman, can't you just run multiple instances and mix them before outputting?
2018-04-12T17:08:17 < zyp> actually, that doesn't make sense
2018-04-12T17:08:23 < jadew`> it does, it should work
2018-04-12T17:08:29 < zyp> "A user-defined trajectory can be specified in either a CSV file, which contains the Earth-centered Earth-fixed (ECEF) user positions, or an NMEA GGA stream."
2018-04-12T17:08:42 < zyp> if you're able to set a trajectory, I assume it already simulates multiple sats
2018-04-12T17:09:11 < englishman> how do i know how many sats it is simulating?
2018-04-12T17:09:24 < englishman> i guess that is defined in GGA
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2018-04-12T17:09:48 < englishman> but that only covers dynamic mode
2018-04-12T17:09:51 < zyp> "The user specifies the GPS satellite constellation through a GPS broadcast ephemeris file."
2018-04-12T17:10:07 < zyp> "These files are then used to generate the simulated pseudorange and Doppler for the GPS satellites in view."
2018-04-12T17:10:14 < englishman> oh, neat
2018-04-12T17:10:24 < zyp> so I assume it simulates all the sats that'd be in view from the simulated position
2018-04-12T17:10:25 < englishman> well i guess i am going into work today to dick with this
2018-04-12T17:10:29 < englishman> yeah that is super cool
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2018-04-12T18:33:11 < Rob235> hrmm looking around for microsd cards and found a 32gb, wonder what I bought that for
2018-04-12T18:43:45 < englishman> wow, bladeRF installer tries to reboot windows
2018-04-12T18:43:48 < englishman> what the fuck are they smoking
2018-04-12T18:44:05 < englishman> there goes all the important SHIT i was doing
2018-04-12T18:45:30 < karlp> what, not just a "you need to reboot to finish" a hard, "we're rebooting now!" step?!
2018-04-12T18:45:37 < englishman> not even
2018-04-12T18:45:46 < englishman> blue screen ->  we are closing your apps and restarting
2018-04-12T18:45:55 < englishman> i cancelled but not before it closed half my shit
2018-04-12T18:46:04 < englishman> later on in install were the radio buttons for rebooting
2018-04-12T18:46:05 < englishman> lol
2018-04-12T18:46:37 < Steffanx> Why this hate towards kakimir and i, Rob235 ?
2018-04-12T18:46:57 < karlp> wow, that's pretty fucked :)
2018-04-12T18:47:13 < Rob235> because you guys won, I ordered a rpi
2018-04-12T18:47:19 < Steffanx> Muha.
2018-04-12T18:47:42 < karlp> I bet there's a closed ticket "won't fix" with something like, "must be able to guarantee user experience, not going to accept people confusingly having a bad time because they forgot to reboot"
2018-04-12T18:48:34 < Steffanx> Excellent reason though
2018-04-12T18:49:05 < Steffanx> Fuck users and the required customer service.
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2018-04-12T18:52:46 < Steffanx> Windows at work does that too. Put it in sleep to see it rebooted the next morning.
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2018-04-12T18:53:20 < Steffanx> (just because f-ing sysadmin forced windows to do that)
2018-04-12T18:59:12 < englishman> ahaha this gps sim works gr8
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2018-04-12T18:59:47 < BrainDamage> did you make some neighbour plane to crash?
2018-04-12T19:00:07 < englishman> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/48/d5/f0/48d5f0b7b48ed7a87e8be33ca8e14fe7.png
2018-04-12T19:01:13 < BrainDamage> i wonder what's the acceptable drift treshold they have before they lose lock
2018-04-12T19:01:41 < BrainDamage> you could in principle drive on the highway and have other people's gps go insane
2018-04-12T19:01:59 < BrainDamage> esp if the highway has toll booths
2018-04-12T19:02:41 < jadew`> you could land drones with it
2018-04-12T19:03:54 < BrainDamage> drones are scarce, gps navigators not
2018-04-12T19:04:16 < jadew`> yeah, but you can't steal their car
2018-04-12T19:05:06 < englishman> drones crash themselves
2018-04-12T19:05:42 < BrainDamage> wait until self driving cars
2018-04-12T19:05:47 < jadew`> you could take advantage of that function when they go back home when the signal is lost
2018-04-12T19:05:55 < jadew`> you jam the signal and then feed it GPS data
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2018-04-12T19:08:44 < jadew``> should be easy to do
2018-04-12T19:10:24 < jadew``> you'd probably have to feed it gps data in advance
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2018-04-12T19:12:00 < jadew``> you could have another drone following the target and feeding it data from upclose, although, you can surely outpower the sattelites from a ground transmitter
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2018-04-12T19:37:36 < Steffanx> I remember now jadew``. You should it before
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2018-04-12T19:41:01 < Steffanx> Thats really cardboard? Would expect chipboard.
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2018-04-12T19:47:43 < jadew``> steffanx, yeah, I'll make a photo when I'll redo the fan hole
2018-04-12T19:49:14 < Steffanx> Should = showed, lol.
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2018-04-12T20:05:12 < englishman> dongs: http://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/king-of-kong-stripped-of-title-1202751358/
2018-04-12T20:06:09 < Steffanx> lol
2018-04-12T20:06:35 < BrainDamage> so much text and efforts
2018-04-12T20:06:41 < BrainDamage> was it even an economical prize?
2018-04-12T20:07:02 < englishman> decades of fame and glory
2018-04-12T20:07:18 < Steffanx> this millenial never heard of him.
2018-04-12T20:07:35 < englishman> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0923752/
2018-04-12T20:08:15 < Steffanx> no way that score is accurate/real/non-biased.
2018-04-12T20:09:00 < BrainDamage> it just suffers from low sampling bias
2018-04-12T20:09:01 < englishman> how so
2018-04-12T20:09:38 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgLGvAuJY8g
2018-04-12T20:09:42 < englishman> watch the new record yourself
2018-04-12T20:09:56 < Steffanx> 3.5 hours. damn.
2018-04-12T20:12:51 < BrainDamage> now I'm only waiting for faprenceb to join the criticism about 'too much efforts' in total hypocrisy after he spends countless hours per week arguing about hyperloop or emdrive
2018-04-12T20:13:17 < Steffanx> I actually expected englishman to go ##stm32 and talk about autism and stuff.
2018-04-12T20:13:36 < Steffanx> Was going to comment on that, but then was like: nah fuck it.
2018-04-12T20:13:39 < englishman> no im busy autisming my own shit
2018-04-12T20:13:49 < Steffanx> i figured, grumpy much :P
2018-04-12T20:13:57 < englishman> and looking at ikea countertops
2018-04-12T20:14:27 < Steffanx> time for some relaxing cat on lap time.
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2018-04-12T20:15:57 < Steffanx> Got some new space for more ikea desks englishman?
2018-04-12T20:16:56 < englishman> soon
2018-04-12T20:17:13 < englishman> i have to throw like a 40 year archive of sewing machines and central vacuums in the trash
2018-04-12T20:17:24 < englishman> there's one pretty sturdy tabletop juki
2018-04-12T20:18:13 < Steffanx> throw away? no one in canadaland interested in that?
2018-04-12T20:19:36 < englishman> dono if it would be worth it to sell
2018-04-12T20:19:45 < englishman> theres a lot of shit
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2018-04-12T20:37:46 < emeb> englishman: take old sewing machines to Goodwill
2018-04-12T20:38:01 < emeb> they can find them a good home no matter how old
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2018-04-12T20:39:21 < emeb> I see lots of ancient ones (think foot treadle type) - they never stay around long.
2018-04-12T20:41:57 < englishman> ahha this gps sim file blew up to 300GB
2018-04-12T20:42:16 < sync> not really suprising tho
2018-04-12T20:42:25 < englishman> not that old
2018-04-12T20:42:27 < englishman> and unknown conditions
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2018-04-12T21:25:01 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnXipRdb9ps
2018-04-12T21:25:04 < Laurenceb__> dat crowd
2018-04-12T21:25:12 < Laurenceb__> my sides are in orbit
2018-04-12T21:25:59 < englishman> Laurenceb__: what was the context of the earlier video with people throwing flowers and the media watching
2018-04-12T21:26:45 < Laurenceb__> englishman: memorial to robber who got stabbed in self defence
2018-04-12T21:26:56 < englishman> nice
2018-04-12T21:27:34 < Laurenceb__> >with his own knife
2018-04-12T21:27:37 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-04-12T21:29:58 < Laurenceb__> how do I grey out text in latex?
2018-04-12T21:32:18 < Laurenceb__> > great set.. but sad for all this multicolored ridiculous zombies..
2018-04-12T21:32:25 < Laurenceb__> youtube comments deliver as always
2018-04-12T21:44:33 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcaLNPnRlfQ
2018-04-12T21:44:42 < Laurenceb__> when u have to get to "the north"
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2018-04-12T22:52:08 < Thorn> lost 6 hours trying to get dma+pwm working :/
2018-04-12T22:53:14 < Thorn> turns out TIM2 wants only 32-bit writes into its CCRs
2018-04-12T22:53:41 < Thorn> F072
2018-04-12T22:56:33 < kaa> only 6hours
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2018-04-12T23:04:47 < Steffanx> Not using HAL i assume Thorn?
2018-04-12T23:06:51 < Thorn> >HAL_StatusTypeDef HAL_TIM_PWM_Start_DMA(TIM_HandleTypeDef *htim, uint32_t Channel, uint32_t *pData, uint16_t Length);
2018-04-12T23:06:54 < Thorn> >uint32_t *pData
2018-04-12T23:07:06 < Thorn> I'd run out of memory with a uint32_t[]
2018-04-12T23:14:45 < Thorn> (and I never use hal anyway lol)
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2018-04-12T23:49:34 < stvn> Hello welcome!
--- Day changed Fri Apr 13 2018
2018-04-13T00:15:17 < stvn> 🦆
2018-04-13T00:18:19 < Steffanx> gutentag.
2018-04-13T00:18:46 < stvn> Well hello
2018-04-13T00:19:08 < stvn> How are they
2018-04-13T00:22:11 < Steffanx> Tres bien
2018-04-13T00:23:38 < stvn> I see
2018-04-13T00:24:11 < stvn> RIP peterM
2018-04-13T00:28:10 < jadew> was watching a movie and in the middle of the action, bam: the credits start rolling
2018-04-13T00:28:17 < jadew> turns out it's a show heh
2018-04-13T00:28:32 < karlp> fuck i hate barrel connectors
2018-04-13T00:28:39 < karlp> so many fucking variants
2018-04-13T00:32:27 < karlp> pulled out three different 12V wall warts, none fit
2018-04-13T00:32:43 < stvn> The filth I agree
2018-04-13T00:33:03 < stvn> That’s why I mainline it
2018-04-13T00:34:06 < jadew> karlp, always wondered why there are so many
2018-04-13T00:34:21 < jadew> 3 types would have been enough
2018-04-13T00:34:27 < jadew> thick, medium, thin
2018-04-13T00:35:10 < jadew> there's like a 2.5 mm one and 2.4 mm one or something like that
2018-04-13T00:35:21 < jadew> they're very similar, but they don't mate
2018-04-13T00:36:13 < jadew> I hate buying them, because I never know which one is the most common
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2018-04-13T00:40:42 < Steffanx> Because HP doesnt want you to use your Dell charger on their device. So they invent a new one.
2018-04-13T00:43:31 < stvn> I want to stick a 32A CEE FORM connector on my laptop
2018-04-13T00:46:03 < stvn> http://direct.dksh.com.au/Product/Electrical/connectors/CEEform-connectors/32a-5-pole-400v-inlet-ip44
2018-04-13T00:46:56 < Steffanx> Ill make you a USB-C adapter for it
2018-04-13T00:47:07 < stvn> Thanks :)
2018-04-13T00:48:54 < Steffanx> Where is PeterM, stvn?
2018-04-13T00:49:51 < stvn> Out on the farm
2018-04-13T00:50:17 < stvn> Or waiting for jb hifi to open
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2018-04-13T01:49:02 < Thorn> https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/8boys7/the_vodka_aisle_at_a_supermarket_in_poland/
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2018-04-13T02:36:13 < karlp> does mbed really not contain a usb device stack?
2018-04-13T02:38:04 < karlp> not a hint of it in mbed5 stuff
2018-04-13T02:38:12 < karlp> and seems to be user contributed portions in "old" mbed 2
2018-04-13T02:38:40 < branjb> mbed is cancerous
2018-04-13T02:47:16 < karlp> everything is cancer
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2018-04-13T03:06:27 < Laurenceb_> oh they made a new rpi
2018-04-13T03:06:34 < Laurenceb_> wonder if the usb is any good...
2018-04-13T03:08:40 < Laurenceb_> >Gigabit Ethernet over USB 2.0
2018-04-13T03:09:08 < Laurenceb_> still no rtc
2018-04-13T03:11:06 < Laurenceb_> still no proper lipo support
2018-04-13T03:11:41 < Laurenceb_> sleep/wakeup etc
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2018-04-13T04:33:51 < Rob235> what the 3 B+?
2018-04-13T04:34:07 < Rob235> oh he left
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2018-04-13T05:02:03 < branjb> rpi is pretty sweet for what it is and the price
2018-04-13T05:02:14 < Rob235> waiting on my first one
2018-04-13T05:02:32 < Rob235> looking into how I want to set it up
2018-04-13T05:02:40 < Rob235> might have to go with node.js
2018-04-13T05:02:54 < Rob235> never used it before but it seems like a good option for what I need
2018-04-13T05:03:27 < branjb> i use a raspberry pi to feed gcode to my CNC
2018-04-13T05:03:28 < branjb> works great
2018-04-13T05:03:37 < Rob235> octoprint type setup?
2018-04-13T05:04:05 < Rob235> mine is going to be a web server to control my pen plotter
2018-04-13T05:04:47 < branjb> bCNC t:
2018-04-13T05:04:51 < branjb> https://github.com/vlachoudis/bCNC
2018-04-13T05:05:00 < Rob235> looking at Node.js + Express + WiringPI + Socket.IO
2018-04-13T05:05:17 < Rob235> web sockets to send SPI data to my main mcu
2018-04-13T05:19:30 < dongs> hello dongs
2018-04-13T05:20:51 < dongs> < englishman> dongs: http://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/king-of-kong-stripped-of-title-1202751358/ < thats old right? isnt that the same guy who did that 2600 race thing fake
2018-04-13T05:27:51 < englishman> you linked the thread that debunked his shit, now he's been delisted from twin galaxies and even guinness
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2018-04-13T08:54:58 < englishman> today was the 50th anniversary of ATMs in Canada. Then called the IDA - Identifying, Dispensing, and Accounting, it required a physical key and a numeric password to use. Each IDA was connected to the central banking register via telephone. The system also worked with credit cards, allowing men using credit a real thrill - to hold and feel real money.
2018-04-13T08:59:11 < machineh1> bitcoin though
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2018-04-13T10:03:46 < stvn> Senpai
2018-04-13T10:04:05 < stvn> And the filthy satoshis
2018-04-13T10:04:58 < dongs> >  allowing men
2018-04-13T10:05:00 < dongs> racist
2018-04-13T10:07:20 < dongs> englishman: https://i.imgur.com/p8sAXun.jpg
2018-04-13T10:07:29 < englishman> lol irl
2018-04-13T10:07:41 < dongs> ^_-
2018-04-13T10:08:26 < dongs> so whats hte tldr on what he did
2018-04-13T10:08:33 < dongs> he MAME'd the shit and recorded it off a filthy CRT?
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2018-04-13T10:08:40 < dongs> pretending to be arcade cabinet?
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2018-04-13T10:12:49 < stvn> Close enough
2018-04-13T10:13:14 < stvn> A real mainline of autism
2018-04-13T10:14:19 < dongs> yes
2018-04-13T10:15:37 < stvn> And it turns out all these video game heroes, ‘cocksuckers’ have mostly faked their so called records
2018-04-13T10:16:47 < englishman> yes, but 20 years ago, and got into guinness book because of it
2018-04-13T10:17:00 < englishman> lunix: ruining lives for literally decades
2018-04-13T10:17:36 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-13T10:18:05 < stvn> Time wasted on lunix is time you’ll never get back
2018-04-13T10:21:43 < dongs> How badly do you have to fuckup covering a story in China that in your entire 1b Murdoch/News Corp media empire you can't find one inebriated husk of a foreign correspondent who you can pull off his barstool and prop up in front of a keyboard to write something in support of you?
2018-04-13T10:21:56 < dongs> totally a chinese writing this
2018-04-13T10:22:27 < dongs> if chinagirl wrote english like this I'd make her my second wife
2018-04-13T10:23:03 < stvn> lol
2018-04-13T10:23:24 < zyp> haha
2018-04-13T10:24:03 < dongs> And for those of you sniffling and clutching your pearls because I'm being "mean" to your ally Sarah- she got a polite, 4 day grace period to DM instead, I haven't half as many at her as she has about me and it's only here because she's too chickenshit talk to someone directly.
2018-04-13T10:24:35 < dongs> (bitch still haent told me where in sz i can get some fpc cables xrayed
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2018-04-13T10:39:33 < stvn> Cool
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2018-04-13T11:10:08 < Steffanx> What did you smoke dongs?
2018-04-13T11:11:38 < stvn> https://youtu.be/WxSRCY5VM6I
2018-04-13T11:12:57 < stvn> I wish englishman was still on irc
2018-04-13T11:22:38 < Steffanx> Yeah, where is englishman?
2018-04-13T11:30:32 < stvn> Sleeping is probable
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2018-04-13T11:38:28 < stvn> ✡️
2018-04-13T11:39:23 < stvn> 🇻🇳
2018-04-13T11:53:50 < Steffanx> ☣️
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2018-04-13T13:37:01 < psprint_> does f767 have emoji support
2018-04-13T13:43:07 < jpa-> only \u1f4a9
2018-04-13T13:47:39 < Steffanx> The ASCII Table ok, but the entire utf8 charset in your head... jpa- ?!
2018-04-13T13:52:17 < jpa-> no, only \u1f4a9
2018-04-13T13:52:43 < jpa-> 0x20, 0x41 and 0x1f4a9 are the only necessary characters
2018-04-13T13:53:57 < karlp> 41 is A? 0x20 is what, space?
2018-04-13T13:54:00 < karlp> what's 1f4a9?
2018-04-13T13:54:30 < Steffanx> Poop
2018-04-13T13:54:55 < karlp> apparently my printf here in my shell doesn't know poop then
2018-04-13T13:59:07 < jpa-> hmm, there isn't actually a way to represent poop with \u escapes
2018-04-13T14:01:06 < jpa-> \U0001f4a9   ah, big U to the rescue
2018-04-13T14:06:22 < karlp> whee
2018-04-13T14:06:55 < karlp> https://imgur.com/a/cRrrE
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2018-04-13T14:55:16 < invzim> damn physical machines
2018-04-13T14:56:14 < psprint_> Guys I want to implement us-delay. I've setup TIM7, it's 108 MHz on APB1, 4 MHz with prescaler 26. Now I need to somehow fetch some cycle-counter register, I'm not sure which and how. I would then wait for 4 cycles (if freq would be 4 MHz) or 108 cycles (etc.). Help?
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2018-04-13T15:04:07 < psprint_> Or should I maybe enable some interrupt (global interrupt, NVIC?) and keep my own counter?
2018-04-13T15:05:27 < karlp> using a free running timer works yes,
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2018-04-13T15:06:13 < karlp> howdid you get a timer configured with a prescaler butnot see the timer counter register?
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2018-04-13T15:10:05 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R--cFC-fnYA
2018-04-13T15:10:08 < Laurenceb__> autism
2018-04-13T15:10:34 < psprint_> karlp: I've set htim7.Init.Prescaler = 26
2018-04-13T15:10:51 < psprint_> karlp: free-running timer != irq that increments own tick counter ?
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2018-04-13T15:20:48 < karlp> yeah, I don't think i can help you much
2018-04-13T15:21:07 < karlp> are you going to even pretend to read the reference manual and see how the tiemrs work?
2018-04-13T15:21:56 < psprint_> I'm reading application note about them, it's quite verbose, and I only need the counter, to have delayUs() and move forward with my project
2018-04-13T15:24:21 < jpa-> * move forward to more complicated problems before learning how to solve basic ones
2018-04-13T15:24:38 < jpa-> psprint_: find the reference manual for your part and read through the register list for the timer
2018-04-13T15:24:59 < jpa-> then go back and do    int ticks = TIM7->CNT;
2018-04-13T15:26:02 < psprint_> ahso, I see now, it's just address in memory
2018-04-13T15:26:13 < psprint_> thanks
2018-04-13T15:27:13 < psprint_> yh I'm actually reading refman, not AN, so I'll check if CNT is main clock counter, or prescaled counter
2018-04-13T15:37:30 < karlp> that should be covered by the "reading refman" that you claim to be doing.
2018-04-13T15:38:21 < jpa-> well to be fair, the refman doesn't tell you how to actually access the registers from C
2018-04-13T15:38:49 < karlp> things like, "it has a coutner register" and "what is the counter" are though
2018-04-13T15:40:53 < psprint_> I have quite a mess now, but not giving up. For example, there's counter register. It counts ticks? Because, it can be used to detect reaching prescaler value. To generate update event/(interrupt). And probably to update.. prescaled counter? If yes, then looks like counter is 1...Prescaler, and prescaled counter is 1..How-Many? And only the second one looks useful. But I don't know
2018-04-13T15:43:23 < psprint_> I think I'll enable interrupt, rely on the fact that update event is certain to be following prescaller, get 4 MHz callback, increment my own counter
2018-04-13T15:44:12 < karlp> why would the counter count up to the prescaler value?
2018-04-13T15:44:27 < karlp> what do you think a prescaler does?
2018-04-13T15:44:55 < psprint_> it enables counting of input clock ticks, to generate update event each N-th tick
2018-04-13T15:46:05 < psprint_> reference manual has many diagrams of the counter going up to value 36, not saying it's the prescaler
2018-04-13T15:49:16  * karlp goes to lunch
2018-04-13T15:49:22 < karlp> I can't help feeling you're just trolling
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2018-04-13T15:59:18 < psprint_> I'm fine with counting interrupts than accessing register
2018-04-13T16:01:14 < psprint_> but one thing, the interrupt counter can overflow, and I can have like 0 - 0xfff2 in the while: start = tim7_interr_count; while ( tim7_interr_count - start < 4 ) { __NOP(); };  Not following what is 0UL - 0xfff2 in unsigned math, but rather again a large number. So it will wait long for < 4 ?
2018-04-13T16:02:01 < psprint_> hm, it will break away from while, on overflow, ok, still would be better to somehow avoid this
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2018-04-13T16:18:34 < jpa-> psprint_: input clock goes to prescaler, which gives a tick every N clock cycles; this tick increments CNT, and when CNT reaches ARR, it will overflow back to 0 and generate UIF interrupt
2018-04-13T16:19:32 < jpa-> you can do something like     int delta = new_value - old_value;   if (delta < 0) delta += TIM7->ARR;
2018-04-13T16:19:45 < jpa-> err, ARR+1 that should be
2018-04-13T16:20:14 < jpa-> if your ARR is 65535, i.e. period is 65536, you can also do    (uint16_t)(new_value - old_value)   and the casting will handle it for you
2018-04-13T16:22:31 < psprint_> jpa-: I don't use period, so ARR is 0 and/or set unused, so all this is like if ARR == 0xffff?
2018-04-13T16:24:04 < jpa-> from ref man: "The counter is blocked while the auto-reload value is null."
2018-04-13T16:24:19 < jpa-> so you have to set ARR to something other than 0, and 0xFFFF is easiest here
2018-04-13T16:25:44 < psprint_> is UIF also the interrupt that I'm hoping to receive after having prescaler 26, input f=108MHz -> 108/27 = 4MHz ? Period will make this longer, so I need period 0x1 ?
2018-04-13T16:26:38 < psprint_> hmm, it is counter overflow event, not update event
2018-04-13T16:28:01 < psprint_> diagram explains, yes, update event is when counter reaches TIM7_ARR
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2018-04-13T16:31:25 < jpa-> psprint_: getting interrupts at 4MHz doesn't sound like a good idea
2018-04-13T16:32:14 < jpa-> it takes minimum of ~30 cycles to service one, so you would be spending about 2% of your cpu time just incrementing that counter
2018-04-13T16:32:25 < jpa-> which seems quite useless, when the whole purpose of the timer is that it already has a counter
2018-04-13T16:32:32 < zyp> haha
2018-04-13T16:33:44 < Laurenceb__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposition_Universelle_(1889)#Attractions
2018-04-13T16:33:48 < Laurenceb__> kek the french
2018-04-13T16:36:56 < psprint_> jpa-: yeah, I've realized that
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2018-04-13T17:08:32 < Ecco> Hey :) Is there a way to tell an STM32 to "reset but ignore the BOOT0 pin state"?
2018-04-13T17:09:29 < Rickta59> reset and run code from where?
2018-04-13T17:09:55 < zyp> no.
2018-04-13T17:10:12 < jpa-> with a debugger, sure ;)
2018-04-13T17:10:15 < zyp> stm32 always samples boot0
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2018-04-13T17:10:24 < zyp> jpa-, no.
2018-04-13T17:10:38 < jpa-> ah yeah, no.. you can override where the code starts but not the 0x00 mapping
2018-04-13T17:10:42 < karlp> isn't there optin byte control in the newer parts? or is that only to avoid boot1?
2018-04-13T17:10:55 < Rickta59> i think that is boot1 only
2018-04-13T17:10:57 < zyp> karlp, I think that's only boot1
2018-04-13T17:11:26 < Ecco> Here's the deal: I've updated the firmware and would like to reboot, but boot0 is up (and there's nothing I can do)
2018-04-13T17:11:31 < zyp> but at least some of the parts have a register that lets you choose the 0 mapping
2018-04-13T17:11:59 < Ecco> I tried jumping to the updated reset vector and setting the PC with msp
2018-04-13T17:11:59 < karlp> the room bootloader willtimeout eventutally and boot normally right?
2018-04-13T17:12:05 < Ecco> but for some reason, it doesn't work
2018-04-13T17:12:19 < zyp> karlp, will it? don't think it has a timeout
2018-04-13T17:12:26 < Ecco> (it crashes after a few instructions, in the middle of an "add" instrcutions :-/)
2018-04-13T17:12:34 < Rickta59> does your startup code set the stack pointer? Ecco ?
2018-04-13T17:12:35 < karlp> it has some tmieout so it decides what interfaces to try though,
2018-04-13T17:12:43 < karlp> it can't wait on all of them forever, surely.
2018-04-13T17:12:56 < zyp> I think it just sits in a loop
2018-04-13T17:12:57 < Ecco> Rickta59: It performs an msp instruction
2018-04-13T17:13:39 < zyp> Ecco, why is boot1 up?
2018-04-13T17:13:39 < Ecco> I fetch the stack pointer from the first 4 bytes of the updated firmware, do an "msp" with that address, then jump to the address pointed by the next 4 bytes in the new firmware
2018-04-13T17:13:46 < Ecco> zyp: Hardware is wired that way
2018-04-13T17:14:14 < Ecco> zyp: That being said, I'm pretty sure there *is* a software workaround, because ST's bootloader works
2018-04-13T17:14:45 < Ecco> If you "manifest" a firmware over DFU with boot0 up, it execute the firmware and doesn't enter ST's bootloader again
2018-04-13T17:15:08 < karlp> that's not "ignoring boot0 though"
2018-04-13T17:15:11 < Ecco> (that's the behavior of ST's dfu bootloader that I'd like to mimick)
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2018-04-13T17:15:19 < karlp> that's "it knows how to jump from bootloadert to application"
2018-04-13T17:15:21 < Ecco> karlp: well, thing is, I don't know how they do it :)
2018-04-13T17:15:41 < zyp> Ecco, but what code is going to mimic this?
2018-04-13T17:15:54 < Ecco> Code from my own DFU bootloader
2018-04-13T17:16:00 < zyp> I fail to see exactly what you have going on and how this is going to work as a long term solution
2018-04-13T17:16:00 < Ecco> karlp: indeed, you're right
2018-04-13T17:16:23 < zyp> how do you run your own DFU bootloader with boot1 high?
2018-04-13T17:16:36 < karlp> I bet they dont,
2018-04-13T17:16:40 < karlp> they run it in application space
2018-04-13T17:16:51 < zyp> yes, but how?
2018-04-13T17:16:52 < jpa-> Ecco: jumping etc. should work, but because it is not a true reset it may require some workarounds in clock configuration code
2018-04-13T17:17:10 < Ecco> jpa-: That's what we assumed, and indeed it does work, well, 90% of the time
2018-04-13T17:17:11 < karlp> you hardwired boot0 high so you could do iniatial flashing then yoyu decided you wantt o use a different method for subsequent flashing and now yoyu're crying :)
2018-04-13T17:17:23 < Ecco> karlp: Yeah, pretty much :)
2018-04-13T17:17:24 < jpa-> Ecco: so debug why it doesn't when it doesn't :)
2018-04-13T17:17:35 < jpa-> probably just some simple thing that assumes that RCC is in reset state when it is not
2018-04-13T17:17:44 < Ecco> hmm, ok
2018-04-13T17:17:50 < karlp> it's easier to just fix the hardware. IMO :)
2018-04-13T17:18:01 < jpa-> not if it is already in the field
2018-04-13T17:18:04 < karlp> I know :)
2018-04-13T17:18:04 < Ecco> it is…
2018-04-13T17:18:15 < Ecco> also, it's usually quite convenient: boot0 is wired to USB vbus
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2018-04-13T17:18:26 < zyp> haha
2018-04-13T17:18:32 < Ecco> a hack, I know, but it makes entering dfu quite easy :)
2018-04-13T17:18:41 < zyp> convenient, also known as absolutely retarded :)
2018-04-13T17:18:44 < Ecco> :-D
2018-04-13T17:18:59 < Ecco> why?
2018-04-13T17:19:10 < zyp> I thought you just figured out why
2018-04-13T17:19:18 < Ecco> Yeah, well… yeah
2018-04-13T17:19:22 < zyp> :)
2018-04-13T17:19:40 < Ecco> Anyway, I'm pretty sure we could work around this in software
2018-04-13T17:19:59 < Ecco> here's what happen: our reset routine copies the data section to ram and memsets the bss section
2018-04-13T17:20:02 < Ecco> (first thing it does)
2018-04-13T17:20:06 < zyp> okay, let me see if I understand this correct
2018-04-13T17:20:13 < Ecco> in practice, that's a memcpy followed by a memset.
2018-04-13T17:20:20 < Ecco> the memcpy works
2018-04-13T17:20:27 < Ecco> the memset doesn't entirely
2018-04-13T17:20:29 < zyp> your device runs on its own power, so vbus is only hooked to boot0?
2018-04-13T17:20:37 < Ecco> zyp: yeah
2018-04-13T17:20:47 < zyp> so it only enters rom bootloader when usb is plugged in before it's turned on
2018-04-13T17:21:16 < zyp> and now you run a custom bootloader that relies on you turning on the device before plugging in usb
2018-04-13T17:21:18 < Ecco> pretty much. It enters rom bootloader if you plug usb and do a hardware reset (a button on the back of the device)
2018-04-13T17:21:39 < Ecco> zyp: yeah, but that's not the issue
2018-04-13T17:21:55 < zyp> but that custom bootloader can't reset after flashing, since vbus is now present
2018-04-13T17:21:57 < Ecco> the issue is that once the custom bootloader has performed an update, we'd like to reset
2018-04-13T17:22:00 < Ecco> exactly
2018-04-13T17:22:15 < zyp> good, then it's starting to make sense
2018-04-13T17:22:18 < Ecco> which we assume is possible since ST's bootloader does just that
2018-04-13T17:22:30 < zyp> best solution: get a scalpel and cut the trace between vbus and boot0
2018-04-13T17:22:34 < Ecco> I know, it's a hack, and I know, we probably should have wired the hardware another way :)
2018-04-13T17:23:00 < Ecco> yeah, we may change the hardware in a future revision but we need to find a software fix
2018-04-13T17:23:07 < Ecco> s/may/will
2018-04-13T17:23:26 < Ecco> setting the sp and jumping does work for a short while
2018-04-13T17:23:39 < Ecco> I mean, the CPU starts executing instructions from the new firmware
2018-04-13T17:23:56 < Ecco> the first instructions are a memcpy (to copy data section from flash to ram), which works
2018-04-13T17:24:04 < Ecco> and then a memset (to set the bss section in ram to zeroes)
2018-04-13T17:24:05 < zyp> well, if you can't do a proper reset, you need to get the chip as close to reset as the application firmware expects
2018-04-13T17:24:15 < Ecco> yeah, exactly
2018-04-13T17:24:18 < zyp> at the very least, make sure there's no interrupts enabled
2018-04-13T17:24:21 < zyp> including systick
2018-04-13T17:24:26 < Ecco> yeah, we never enable any interrupt
2018-04-13T17:24:50 < Ecco> I'm pretty sure it's something stupid like this that's happening
2018-04-13T17:24:55 < Ecco> let me give you more details
2018-04-13T17:25:21 < zyp> I'd switch back to HSI, turn off HSE and hit the reset bits on all peripherals in RCC
2018-04-13T17:25:22 < Ecco> once disassembled, the "set bss to zero" memset is just a stupid loop
2018-04-13T17:25:35 < zyp> yeah yeah, that stuff shouldn't be a problem
2018-04-13T17:25:40 < jpa-> i would instead just debug where the firmware crashes and make it more robust against funny state
2018-04-13T17:25:51 < Ecco> jpa-: Exactly what we tried to do
2018-04-13T17:25:52 < jpa-> so, what really happens when it crashes? hardfault?
2018-04-13T17:25:56 < Ecco> I guess
2018-04-13T17:26:03 < zyp> don't guess, know
2018-04-13T17:26:04 < zyp> :p
2018-04-13T17:26:04 < jpa-> guess? you should know
2018-04-13T17:26:08 < Rickta59> jumping to an even address?
2018-04-13T17:26:16 < zyp> unlikely
2018-04-13T17:26:16 < jpa-> Rickta59: nah, it would crash faster
2018-04-13T17:26:18 < Ecco> Rickta59: no, we took care of this
2018-04-13T17:26:24 < Ecco> it crashes right in the middle of the memset
2018-04-13T17:26:30 < Ecco> in the middle of an "add" instruction
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2018-04-13T17:26:44 < zyp> uh
2018-04-13T17:26:45 < Rickta59> sounds like a red herring
2018-04-13T17:26:45 < jpa-> so post a gdb log
2018-04-13T17:26:47 < Ecco> (when it increments the register that keeps the next address to memset)
2018-04-13T17:27:00 < Rickta59> watchdog timing out or .. something else triggering
2018-04-13T17:27:06 < jpa-> vecstate, info registers, disasm
2018-04-13T17:27:08 < Ecco> We don't enable the watchdog
2018-04-13T17:27:12 < zyp> Ecco, so, what sort of fault? checked SCB_CFSR?
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2018-04-13T17:27:42 < Ecco> nope, lemme check that
2018-04-13T17:27:54 < Ecco> I'm grabbing a gdb log
2018-04-13T17:28:13 < zyp> crashing in the middle of a data copy operation, assuming it's running on the right source and destination addrs, sounds like it might be something like wrong flash configuration
2018-04-13T17:28:20 < zyp> i.e. not enough wait states
2018-04-13T17:28:30 < Rickta59> this is an m4?
2018-04-13T17:28:31 < zyp> that'd make reads randomly fail and crash
2018-04-13T17:29:00 < zyp> but I don't really see how you would end up with too few wait states either
2018-04-13T17:29:03 < Ecco> it's an m4
2018-04-13T17:29:07 < Ecco> F412 to be precise
2018-04-13T17:29:18 < Rickta59> mucking about with the enable flag for floating point?
2018-04-13T17:29:35 < Ecco> what's weird too is that the new firmware and the previous one are very similar
2018-04-13T17:29:37 < jpa-> it could also be a delayed fault
2018-04-13T17:29:54 < jpa-> e.g. stack push with unaligned stack pointer or something
2018-04-13T17:30:55 < Rickta59> in your startup code just do a forever loop instead of the memset and see if it crashes
2018-04-13T17:31:04 < Ecco> Rickta59: oh, good suggestion
2018-04-13T17:31:55 < zyp> anyway, if you have a hardfault, check SCB_CFSR to figure out what kind of fault it is before you do anything else
2018-04-13T17:32:07 < Rickta59> ^^ that
2018-04-13T17:32:10 < Ecco> ok, will do
2018-04-13T17:32:15 < Ecco> thanks a *huge lot* for your help guys
2018-04-13T17:32:52 < Ecco> (I'm running a gdb session, I'll post the results)
2018-04-13T17:32:54 < jpa-> invalid flash wait states usually result in "invalid instruction" fault
2018-04-13T17:33:11 < Ecco> jpa-: oh, seems like that's what we got
2018-04-13T17:33:38 < Ecco> what's weird is that both the previous and updated firmwares have pretty much the same hardware settings
2018-04-13T17:34:23 < zyp> sure, but have those settings taken effect yet? you're probably still running bootloader settings now
2018-04-13T17:34:57 < jpa-> Ecco: does the firmware run ok from hardware reset? (i.e. not from ST bootloader)
2018-04-13T17:35:00 < Ecco> well, not really, because bootloader ran from the previous version
2018-04-13T17:35:04 < Ecco> jpa-: perfectly
2018-04-13T17:36:25 < zyp> Ecco, does the old firmware run fine if you write it through the bootloader now?
2018-04-13T17:36:53 < Ecco> zyp: not sure I understand your question
2018-04-13T17:37:10 < zyp> you are talking about an old firmware and a new firmware
2018-04-13T17:37:16 < Ecco> yes
2018-04-13T17:37:16 < zyp> and that the new one doesn't run
2018-04-13T17:37:28 < Ecco> note that both firmwares are very very similar
2018-04-13T17:37:33 < Ecco> they just differ by a few commits
2018-04-13T17:37:37 < psprint_> jpa-: one more thing, I run the code, it is practically purely CubeMX-based, I've checked in debugger that  __HAL_RCC_TIM7_CLK_ENABLE(); is called, but TIM7->CNT is constantly 0
2018-04-13T17:37:59 < zyp> psprint_, you need to start the timer after turning it on
2018-04-13T17:38:16 < psprint_> ah w8
2018-04-13T17:38:26 < jpa-> psprint_: check CR1 and CR2 values against refman; CR1 bit 0 might be the culprit
2018-04-13T17:39:05 < Ecco> ok, stepping through the first memcpy -> works fine
2018-04-13T17:39:48 < jpa-> hmm.. does F412 clear flash cache automatically when it is written to, or do you have to flush cache manually?
2018-04-13T17:40:27 < Ecco> jpa-: good question
2018-04-13T17:40:39 < Ecco> *very* good question :)
2018-04-13T17:40:42 < zyp> shouldn't matter too much, app firmware shouldn't be cached
2018-04-13T17:40:53 < jpa-> zyp: why shouldn't it?
2018-04-13T17:41:12 < jpa-> app1 boots, launches DFU, DFU launches app2
2018-04-13T17:41:22 < psprint_> zyp: how to start it? I was looking for HAL_RCC_* invocation but didn't find any
2018-04-13T17:41:24 < jpa-> if parts of app1 remain in cache, it could be funny
2018-04-13T17:41:43 < Ecco> I mean, that would be a very good explanation
2018-04-13T17:41:49 < zyp> I assumed DFU ran first
2018-04-13T17:41:49 < jpa-> psprint_: TIM7->CR1 |= TIM_CR1_CEN;    it's probably HAL_TIM_ something
2018-04-13T17:42:06 < psprint_> thanks
2018-04-13T17:42:15 < zyp> i.e. I assume the area that gets written didn't execute first
2018-04-13T17:42:25 < Ecco> no, it does
2018-04-13T17:42:30 < Ecco> DFU bootloader is embedded into firmware
2018-04-13T17:42:40 < zyp> wat
2018-04-13T17:42:42 < Ecco> we copy it to RAM and execute it from RAM
2018-04-13T17:42:48 < zyp> oh
2018-04-13T17:43:01 < zyp> you have the weirdest design decisions
2018-04-13T17:43:14 < jpa-> sounds normal to me
2018-04-13T17:43:22 < jpa-> i do the same, except for SPI firmware upgrades
2018-04-13T17:44:14 < jpa-> STM32F412 RM0402 page 65 seems to say that flash write updates the data cache, but it is unclear whether it updates the instruction cache
2018-04-13T17:44:28 < jpa-> considering the write doesn't go through the instruction cache, it seems it might not
2018-04-13T17:44:43 < zyp> I don't like bootloaders that rewrite themselves, too much potential for users fucking up and bricking the device
2018-04-13T17:45:17 < zyp> "but ROM bootloaer recovery blah blah"
2018-04-13T17:45:19 < jpa-> yeah, in our case there is always fallback to hardware DFU; it only requires taking the covers off etc.
2018-04-13T17:45:31 < zyp> if you had one sane bootloader, you wouldn't need to retarded ones :p
2018-04-13T17:45:36 < zyp> two*
2018-04-13T17:46:50 < jpa-> if i had something sane in my codebase, it wouldn't be my codebase ;)
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2018-04-13T17:51:26 < Ecco> ok, so, I've the crash in gdb
2018-04-13T17:51:30 < Ecco> (gdb) bt
2018-04-13T17:51:30 < Ecco> #0  0xffff0000 in ?? ()
2018-04-13T17:51:30 < Ecco> #1  <signal handler called>
2018-04-13T17:51:45 < zyp> check info registers
2018-04-13T17:51:56 < zyp> what's xpsr?
2018-04-13T17:51:56 < Ecco> all zeroes
2018-04-13T17:52:03 < Ecco> 0x3
2018-04-13T17:52:08 < zyp> hardfault
2018-04-13T17:52:11 < Ecco> ok
2018-04-13T17:52:13 < zyp> now check SCB_CFSR
2018-04-13T17:52:19 < Ecco> lemme find its address
2018-04-13T17:52:36 < zyp> 0xE000ED28
2018-04-13T17:52:56 < Ecco> 0xe000ed28:	0x00020001
2018-04-13T17:53:17 < Ecco> (reading arm's doc at the same time to learn)
2018-04-13T17:53:29 < zyp> IACCVIOL, INVSTATE
2018-04-13T17:53:38 < Ecco> indeed
2018-04-13T17:53:51 < zyp> looks like you've tried jumping to 0xffff0000
2018-04-13T17:54:01 < Ecco> yeah, that's where PC is set to
2018-04-13T17:54:13 < jpa-> info reg
2018-04-13T17:54:22 < karlp> why is pc set to 0xffff0000?
2018-04-13T17:54:27 < Ecco> no idea
2018-04-13T17:54:28 < karlp> didn't you set it?
2018-04-13T17:54:43 < zyp> something did set it, and that's your problem
2018-04-13T17:54:47 < Ecco> ok
2018-04-13T17:55:02 < Ecco> weird, let me find out what's going on
2018-04-13T17:55:15 < Ecco> It's a big painful to debug because I have to keep reloading symbol files
2018-04-13T17:57:25 < zyp> you sure it didn't fail during the jump?
2018-04-13T17:58:10 < zyp> maybe you first set the stack pointer, then it tried fetching the jump addr from the stack and failed, resulting in jumping to 0xffff0000
2018-04-13T17:59:12 < zyp> I suggest using assembly for the switch to ensure the compiler doesn't try using the stack after changing the stack pointer: https://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/bootloader.cpp#n19
2018-04-13T18:00:01 < jpa-> "display /i $pc" and "stepi" are useful for debugging
2018-04-13T18:00:46 < Ecco> zyp: indeed, that's something we already did
2018-04-13T18:01:01 < Ecco> we had an issue with the compiler manipulating the stack between when we set SP and when it actually jumped
2018-04-13T18:05:29 < aandrew> unroll the stack and see if you can identify why you ended up there
2018-04-13T18:05:56 < Ecco> yeah… all those relocation makes debugging tedious
2018-04-13T18:06:01 < Ecco> I'm working on it :)
2018-04-13T18:13:02 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a65tt9mbdsQ
2018-04-13T18:14:34 < aandrew> Ecco: https://pastebin.com/a4i4KEei
2018-04-13T18:14:39 < aandrew> that's what I do in the hardfault handler
2018-04-13T18:14:54 < aandrew> break on the access to stack-frame and look at the vars directly
2018-04-13T18:15:11 < Ecco> oh, ok
2018-04-13T18:15:16 < Ecco> smart
2018-04-13T18:15:27 < aandrew> <-- pro
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2018-04-13T18:17:55 < Ecco> :-D
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2018-04-13T18:24:51 < karlp> isnt' that just what vecstate.gdb will do for you already?
2018-04-13T18:24:58 < karlp> (and doesn'ttake up any code space)
2018-04-13T18:25:29 < jpa-> only on debuggers that properly expose psp and msp
2018-04-13T18:25:52 < jpa-> not that much of a trouble anymore, but used to be with texane stlink back in 2010 :P
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2018-04-13T18:33:40 < Laurenceb__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43755789
2018-04-13T18:33:42 < Laurenceb__> lulling
2018-04-13T18:33:53 < Laurenceb__> >suddenly they already knew about door handles
2018-04-13T18:34:00 < Laurenceb__> >didnt test the handle for 2 weeks
2018-04-13T18:38:05 < Ecco> ok, got it
2018-04-13T18:38:06 < Ecco> Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap.
2018-04-13T18:38:10 < Ecco> xPSR           0x21000000	553648128
2018-04-13T18:38:27 < Ecco> 0xE000ED28 : 0
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2018-04-13T18:41:56 < zyp> no fault there
2018-04-13T18:43:39 < aandrew> ok dongs, your time to shine
2018-04-13T18:43:54 < aandrew> can I have keil c51 and mdk at the same time without having to install two separate instances?
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2018-04-13T18:52:35 < Laurenceb__> >signal SIGTRAP
2018-04-13T18:52:45 < Laurenceb__> >SIGTRAP
2018-04-13T18:52:49 < Laurenceb__> >TRAP
2018-04-13T18:53:26 < zyp> Laurenceb__, fuck off
2018-04-13T18:59:23 < aandrew> heh
2018-04-13T19:05:13 < branjb> is zyp a trap?
2018-04-13T19:05:17 < aandrew> hah https://media.8ch.net/file_store/60c76185da3315d97ca37e53a7cc0618960f13fa1e8395965cf53a823a7a3214.gif
2018-04-13T19:05:40 < branjb> aandrew i see you frequent the LRH
2018-04-13T19:05:48 < zyp> branjb, sure
2018-04-13T19:06:10 < branjb> oh ok
2018-04-13T19:06:36 < aandrew> who doesn't
2018-04-13T19:07:15 < Steffanx> You know about the infamous no 4/8ch policy right? :p
2018-04-13T19:07:31 < branjb> it's linking to an image not a thread
2018-04-13T19:07:40 < branjb> how is that different than if I uploaded it to imgur first?
2018-04-13T19:08:00 < aandrew> nope I don't know about the policy
2018-04-13T19:08:13 < Steffanx> Thats what me lb does, and ill know branjb
2018-04-13T19:08:21 < Steffanx> Mr*
2018-04-13T19:08:26 < branjb> lol
2018-04-13T19:08:36 < branjb> if it has animes it's from 4/8ch?
2018-04-13T19:08:56 < branjb> or if it's austitic it's from 4/8ch
2018-04-13T19:09:02 < Steffanx> When im bored ill just rev. image search it :P
2018-04-13T19:10:47 < jadew> is 8ch twice as fun as 4ch?
2018-04-13T19:11:05 < Steffanx> Its infinite actually.
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2018-04-13T19:11:39 < branjb> but 4chan is still called half chan
2018-04-13T19:11:42 < branjb> or retard chan
2018-04-13T19:12:29 < Laurenceb__> 4d chess chan
2018-04-13T19:13:06 < Laurenceb__> Based, MAGA, 4D chess across the Middle East for Isreal chan
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2018-04-13T19:18:10 < tct> hello.
2018-04-13T19:18:14 < zyp> sup
2018-04-13T19:19:57 < tct> gotta go, sorry
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2018-04-13T19:20:06 < zyp> thanks
2018-04-13T19:24:37 < Steffanx> -_-
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2018-04-13T20:48:08 < psprint_> Guys, I have an LCD interface, I can send commands, like GotoXY. Sending data is however broken. It differs in one thing: RS (register select) line is to be 1, not 0, to select data register. Desperate I've used voltometer to discover, that it is indeed LOW (0), only once during programming of the board it jumped to High. What can be the reason?
2018-04-13T20:50:11 < psprint_> I mean, I init it like all other gpios, cube generated the code and I've verified it, so the question is whether something can block GPIO from working
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2018-04-13T21:13:03 < psprint_> guys any information on just-like-that not-working-pins because I switched to neighbour pin and now LCD works
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2018-04-13T21:20:04 < branjb> did you check the errata?
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2018-04-13T21:23:54 < psprint_> thanks, checked now, no info on the pin
2018-04-13T21:24:18 < branjb> fwiw i've seen similar things before where switching pins fixed something
2018-04-13T21:24:35 < branjb> i just assumed it had a conflict on that port or something else messing with it
2018-04-13T21:25:42 < psprint_> yes that's the possibility, a conflict not reported by Cube
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2018-04-13T22:03:18 < Laurenceb__> https://youtu.be/P84aXN4H0zQ?t=194
2018-04-13T22:03:24 < Laurenceb__> dongs tier
2018-04-13T22:06:38 < karlp> you've never been to a psy festival have you lolrence?
2018-04-13T22:19:00 < Steffanx> me neither, did i miss something?
2018-04-13T22:22:25 < karlp> no, just some fairly typical old hippies talking about their feelings
2018-04-13T22:22:43 < karlp> had a look at https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbed-os/tree/master/features/unsupported/USBDevice/targets/TARGET_STM and decided that no, I don't need to try usb on mbed :)
2018-04-13T22:30:11 < Steffanx> It looks a bit incomplete, but at least it's excellent C++./
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2018-04-13T22:48:19 < karlp> or various definitions of excellent
2018-04-13T22:48:30 < karlp> incomplete is enough for me to go, "nah, not interested"
2018-04-13T23:03:20 < Ecco> Another weird bug: memcpy failing
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2018-04-13T23:03:35 < Ecco> I'm memcpy-ing a 6k block from flash to RAM
2018-04-13T23:03:50 < Ecco> and a given 16bit value is different
2018-04-13T23:04:03 < Ecco> at a random location in the block
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2018-04-13T23:09:59 < Ecco> Seriously, WTF
2018-04-13T23:09:59 < Ecco> https://pastebin.com/VCyLTvhP
2018-04-13T23:10:41 < Ecco> I really wonder what I've fucked up there
2018-04-13T23:11:06 < Ecco> ok, re-running the memcpy another time… works
2018-04-13T23:11:28 < Ecco> oh, no, sorry
2018-04-13T23:11:56 < Ecco> so yeah, I keep mem-cpying, and nothing
2018-04-13T23:13:30 < Ecco> It's even worse actually:
2018-04-13T23:13:30 < Ecco> https://pastebin.com/AUGuFMZY
2018-04-13T23:14:37 < Ecco> Here's my (stupid yet supposedly correct) memcpy:
2018-04-13T23:14:38 < Ecco> https://pastebin.com/iBa7CCxA
2018-04-13T23:17:28 < Ecco> oooh wait
2018-04-13T23:17:35 < Ecco> I happen to have a breakpoint at that address
2018-04-13T23:17:45 < Ecco> ok if I remove the breakpoint, memcpy works fine
2018-04-13T23:17:54 < Ecco> are breakpoints supposed to alter memory like that?
2018-04-13T23:18:39 < PaulFertser> Software breakpoints work by temporarily changing memory, yes.
2018-04-13T23:19:17 < Ecco> makes sense
2018-04-13T23:19:26 < Ecco> how can I tell if a breakpoint is hardware or software?
2018-04-13T23:19:36 < Ecco> damn, this had been driving me *nuts*
2018-04-13T23:19:47 < Ecco> I've learned something though:)
2018-04-13T23:19:52 < Ecco> Hi PaulFertser by the way :)
2018-04-13T23:20:29 < PaulFertser> By default "break" uses hardware breakpoints for "flash" areas and software for everything else. But you can use "hbreak" when needed.
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2018-04-13T23:20:57 < Ecco> oh, ok, so definitely a software breakpoint
2018-04-13T23:21:06 < Ecco> would that seem like what's going on here?
2018-04-13T23:21:16 < Rickta59> has anyone used the latest swo feature in bmp?
2018-04-13T23:21:17 < PaulFertser> If you have breakpoint on that location in SRAM, yes.
2018-04-13T23:21:21 < Ecco> I have a software breakpoint on an address in SRAM
2018-04-13T23:21:27 < Ecco> I memcpy over that address
2018-04-13T23:21:42 < Ecco> If I read back, the lwoer 16bits are never changed
2018-04-13T23:21:52 < Ecco> (of the given address where the breakpoint is)
2018-04-13T23:22:22 < Ecco> Rickta59: what's bmp?
2018-04-13T23:22:28 < Rickta59> blackmagic probe
2018-04-13T23:22:38 < Rickta59> a debugger
2018-04-13T23:23:10 < Ecco> just read about it
2018-04-13T23:23:19 < Ecco> how is that better/different than stlink+openocd
2018-04-13T23:23:37 < PaulFertser> Ecco: I think gdb might be resetting the breakpoint after memcpy call. You can use "set debug remote 1" to see when exactly that happens.
2018-04-13T23:24:12 < Ecco> Interesting
2018-04-13T23:24:24 < Ecco> Anyway, I'm glad I figured out what was going on. This had been driving me *nuts*
2018-04-13T23:24:31 < Ecco> thanks a lot!!
2018-04-13T23:24:49 < Rickta59> bmp Ecco ?
2018-04-13T23:25:04 < Ecco> Rickta59: yeah, how is that better than stlink+openocd?
2018-04-13T23:25:20 < Rickta59> different .. source is available they sell a hardware device too
2018-04-13T23:25:34 < Ecco> PaulFertser: It "set debug remote 1" gives me tons of "Sending packet" after I run memcpy from gdb
2018-04-13T23:25:39 < Rickta59> you don't need openocd, it provides the gdb serial on a tty port
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2018-04-13T23:26:12 < Rickta59> so all you need is arm-none-eabi-gdb + the bmp device + target device
2018-04-13T23:26:18 < Ecco> Yeah, I see
2018-04-13T23:26:23 < Ecco> but running openocd is super easy
2018-04-13T23:26:24 < PaulFertser> Ecco: yes, and you can see when exactly it asks openocd to set a software breakpoint.
2018-04-13T23:26:36 < Rickta59> sure and a reasonable way to work
2018-04-13T23:26:50 < Ecco> So bmp is "just" an alternative, right?
2018-04-13T23:27:40 < Ecco> Well, I don't understand a single thing, but here's the log: https://pastebin.com/U4KLBfh7
2018-04-13T23:27:46 < Rickta59> it is unique in the alternatives in that you don't need any host software for it to work so depending on your needs it could be superior
2018-04-13T23:27:58 < Ecco> maybe the last line though, I recognize the address
2018-04-13T23:28:06 < Ecco> I see, makes sense
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2018-04-13T23:29:15 < PaulFertser> Ecco: Z inserts a breakpoint and z removes.
2018-04-13T23:29:53 < PaulFertser> 0 means software bp type
2018-04-13T23:29:58 < Ecco> wouldn't that be the other way around? IN the log, there are Z's first, and z's last
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2018-04-13T23:31:04 < PaulFertser> GDB normally sets breakpoints prior to letting the target run and then clears after it's halted.
2018-04-13T23:31:15 < Ecco> oh, makes sense
2018-04-13T23:32:43 < PaulFertser> So that doesn't explain your results, sorry.
2018-04-13T23:34:02 < PaulFertser> Ecco: why is that you're manually copying code from flash to sram?
2018-04-13T23:35:15 < Ecco> copying a dfu stub from flash to ram
2018-04-13T23:35:30 < Ecco> so it can modify the whole flash
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2018-04-13T23:38:36 < PaulFertser> Ecco: is permanently storing it in RAM not an option?
2018-04-13T23:39:05 < Ecco> interesting suggestion… I guess not though
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2018-04-13T23:39:16 < catphish> i have a complaint
2018-04-13T23:39:20 < Ecco> What's wrong with copying code from Flash to RAM though?
2018-04-13T23:40:04 < Ecco> Back on my initial problem, removing the breakpoint makes memcpy work just fine, and re-enabling it makes the bug come back
2018-04-13T23:40:47 < PaulFertser> You need to make the code position-independent somehow, I think it might be not by default.
2018-04-13T23:40:53 < catphish> why on the nucleo boards, specifically the "ST morpho connectors" is the analog power supply in such a stupid place, so far from the analog data pins
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2018-04-13T23:41:22 < Ecco> PaulFertser: oh, better than that. We link the code for the location it will live at in RAM :)
2018-04-13T23:41:53 < Ecco> So we don't need -fPIC or anything like that
2018-04-13T23:41:56 < PaulFertser> Ecco: I wonder how
2018-04-13T23:42:03 < zyp> stm32ing it up: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/Cv4x7.mp4
2018-04-13T23:42:04 < Ecco> with a linker script
2018-04-13T23:42:51 < Ecco> Also, position-independant code doesn't fix the references to, say, const char *'s
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2018-04-13T23:43:06 < zyp> how so?
2018-04-13T23:43:13 < Ecco> we just link all the blob for the address we know we'll copy it to
2018-04-13T23:43:28 < zyp> symbol references are symbol references, whether it's a function symbol or a variable symbol
2018-04-13T23:43:43 < karlp> catphish: if you're doing things where the analog power matters much, you shouldn't be trying to do it on a nucleo?
2018-04-13T23:44:04 < Ecco> zyp: true, but if you need really fully relocatable, independant code, you need to link it twice
2018-04-13T23:44:14 < Ecco> sorry, link it independently
2018-04-13T23:44:15 < catphish> karlp: that may well be true, it's not perfect, but it helps with prototyping
2018-04-13T23:44:32 < Ecco> otherwise the RAM-ed portion could reference Flash-ed symbols
2018-04-13T23:44:43 < zyp> Ecco, I don't think you get how position-independent code works
2018-04-13T23:44:47 < catphish> i don't have the skills to solder an stm32 :)
2018-04-13T23:44:58 < Ecco> catphish: QFP are quite easy to solder
2018-04-13T23:45:06 < Ecco> catphish: the PCB and some flux do it all
2018-04-13T23:45:14 < karlp> memcpy's easy to use too, but some people have provblems with it ;)
2018-04-13T23:45:18 < Ecco> :-D
2018-04-13T23:46:06 < zyp> anybody know where my precision screwdriver kit went? I'm having troubles locating it
2018-04-13T23:46:10 < Ecco> zyp: What I mean is that you can PIC all you want, if you reference content that will be overwritten, it's not going to work, right?
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2018-04-13T23:46:29 < zyp> Ecco, what does overwritten have to do with anything?
2018-04-13T23:46:35 < catphish> Ecco: maybe, i've never tried, too scared of bridging mostly
2018-04-13T23:46:43 < Ecco> well, in my case it does
2018-04-13T23:46:56 < Ecco> catphish: Flux + very little solder = no bridging
2018-04-13T23:47:17 < zyp> Ecco, if you run PIC from flash, it works, if you copy it to RAM, it works, without referencing flash
2018-04-13T23:47:20 < Ecco> catphish: just watch a couple YouTube videos about "drag soldering"
2018-04-13T23:47:23 < zyp> if it still references flash, it's not PIC
2018-04-13T23:47:41 < Ecco> ok, I agree
2018-04-13T23:47:42 < PaulFertser> zyp: what about string literals?
2018-04-13T23:48:04 < zyp> what about them?
2018-04-13T23:48:12 < Ecco> I'm not sure we're talking about the same things though
2018-04-13T23:48:25 < catphish> Ecco: makes sense, i've seen the videos, not tried it yet, also with ptorotyping a few boards, it saves a lot of effort just soldering some pin headers and using the nucleo, but i should probably eventually try doing it properly
2018-04-13T23:48:26 < Ecco> my understanding of "-fPIC" in gcc is to just emit relative jumps
2018-04-13T23:48:42 < PaulFertser> zyp: I would expect PIC to not affect data, so string literals would still be referenced from flash.
2018-04-13T23:48:51 < zyp> why?
2018-04-13T23:48:54 < Ecco> catphish: The only issue is you have to wait for the fabhouse in china to make your PCB
2018-04-13T23:48:57 < Ecco> takes a couple weeks
2018-04-13T23:49:35 < Ecco> zyp: what do you refere to when you say "PIC"? The gcc flag or the concept of position-independent code?
2018-04-13T23:49:38 < catphish> Ecco: i do that anyway, but for some reason i always choose to add nucleo headers instead of soldering an stm32
2018-04-13T23:49:48 < zyp> Ecco, either, I assume
2018-04-13T23:49:48 < catphish> like thus: https://i.imgur.com/76gmciV.jpg?1
2018-04-13T23:49:49 < Ecco> catphish: weird :)
2018-04-13T23:49:58 < catphish> Ecco: probably :)
2018-04-13T23:50:06 < Ecco> What a shitty PCB :-D
2018-04-13T23:50:19 < Ecco> WTF is wrong with your trace on the left dude? :-D
2018-04-13T23:50:39 < Ecco> Anyway, it's just a proto :)
2018-04-13T23:50:50 < zyp> symbols are symbols, there's no fundamental difference between a code symbol (that you jump to) and a data symbol (that you read)
2018-04-13T23:50:50 < Ecco> You definitely should try soldeing an STM32
2018-04-13T23:50:54 < Ecco> it's easy, and a lot cheaper too
2018-04-13T23:50:55 < catphish> Ecco: nothing :) it's a star point, note the via
2018-04-13T23:51:05 < Ecco> oh, didn't see the via
2018-04-13T23:51:10 < zyp> in either case, PIC should do relative lookups
2018-04-13T23:51:18 < Ecco> sorry
2018-04-13T23:51:35 < catphish> but i am still a newbie, i'm sure my boards and soldering will improve
2018-04-13T23:51:36 < Ecco> zyp: yes, as long as you move the data symbols along
2018-04-13T23:51:46 < Ecco> I mean, it works, as long as you move the data symbols along
2018-04-13T23:51:48 < zyp> yeah?
2018-04-13T23:51:58 < Ecco> And it's annoying to find them:)
2018-04-13T23:52:02 < zyp> what?
2018-04-13T23:52:11 < Ecco> We just found it easier to link everything together, and move a single blob at once
2018-04-13T23:52:21 < zyp> actually, fuck this, I'm gonna go search more for my screwdrivers :p
2018-04-13T23:52:25 < Ecco> :-D
2018-04-13T23:52:56 < catphish> but that board does demonstrate the odd requirement to pull the analog power lines all the way across to where the analog data inputs are :)
2018-04-13T23:53:10 < Ecco> What I mean is "once you have some position-independant code (i.e. code that relatively-references other code and other data), how do you actually proceed to relocating this code and the associated data?
2018-04-13T23:53:25 < Ecco> How do you do the (infamous) memcpy? You have to find your code and the data/code it requires, right?
2018-04-13T23:53:49 < Ecco> catphish: Do you use flux?
2018-04-13T23:54:08 < Ecco> I'm a bit concerned by how you soldered those big-ass capacitors on the right
2018-04-13T23:54:39 < Ecco> Also, you did solder a bunch of ICs just right, STM32's won't be any more difficult
2018-04-13T23:54:54 < catphish> Ecco: yes, though i'm not entirely sure i use it well, with surface mount passives the flux seems to just boil and send the components flying
2018-04-13T23:55:11 < Ecco> too much flux :)
2018-04-13T23:55:37 < Ecco> if you want to put a huge amount of flux, you should make sure your component is fastened
2018-04-13T23:55:40 < catphish> i don't have soo much trouble soldering those SOICs
2018-04-13T23:56:03 < Ecco> -> ie. have more than two pins, so you let a few pins sticking and flux-drag all the others
2018-04-13T23:56:19 < Ecco> Yeah, the solders look clean there
2018-04-13T23:56:28 < catphish> but i do them one pin at a time with a steady hand and a fine tip
2018-04-13T23:56:59 < Ecco> you do also use leaded, eutectic, rosin-core solder, don't you?
2018-04-13T23:57:03 < Ecco> arghh, don't :)
2018-04-13T23:57:18 < Ecco> Well, apprently you're doing a great job, but drag-soldering is so much cleaner/faster
2018-04-13T23:57:38 < catphish> thanks, i should probably try drag soldering though
2018-04-13T23:57:42 < Ecco> You still could solder a QFP that way though, I doubt the pitch is significantly smaller
2018-04-13T23:58:29 < catphish> i'm gradually improving, this is only the 3rd board i've made
2018-04-13T23:58:43 < Ecco> well that's great, especially the SOICs
2018-04-13T23:59:02 < catphish> thanks :)
2018-04-13T23:59:18 < Ecco> I'm pretty sure you could fit an STM32 footprint inbetween your headers
2018-04-13T23:59:23 < Ecco> just a little more CAD work
2018-04-13T23:59:24 < catphish> the passives vary, that one on the right upset me
2018-04-13T23:59:50 < Ecco> my technique for passives: very little solder. Solder one pad first, using a tweezer
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2018-04-14T00:00:02 < catphish> there'd be plenty of room for an stm32 i'd think, though i'd have to deal with the supporting components
2018-04-14T00:00:04 < Ecco> take your time, rework until positionned perfectly
2018-04-14T00:00:12 < catphish> i don't know how many external components it needs
2018-04-14T00:00:13 < Ecco> once happy, solder other pad, add flux on other pad
2018-04-14T00:00:20 < Ecco> then come back to first pad, add flux
2018-04-14T00:00:31 < Ecco> catphish: a few capacitors
2018-04-14T00:00:41 < Ecco> Look at ST's reference designs
2018-04-14T00:00:48 < catphish> Ecco: is that it? a crystal?
2018-04-14T00:01:01 < Ecco> Depending on your part, no
2018-04-14T00:01:05 < catphish> and a 3v3 regulator :)
2018-04-14T00:01:10 < catphish> that's not too bad then
2018-04-14T00:01:11 < Ecco> most (all?) have an internal oscillator
2018-04-14T00:01:24 < Ecco> you only need crystal if you do time-sensitive shit (e.g. usb)
2018-04-14T00:01:32 < catphish> that's not too bad then
2018-04-14T00:01:43 < Ecco> no, it's actually rather easy
2018-04-14T00:01:46 < karlp> here you go again with your bold claims :)
2018-04-14T00:01:50 < Ecco> :-D
2018-04-14T00:01:56 < karlp> you don't even need a crystal for usb tehse days
2018-04-14T00:01:57 < Ecco> come on, don't frighten newcomers
2018-04-14T00:02:01 < catphish> lol
2018-04-14T00:02:01 < Ecco> ha, see :-)
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2018-04-14T00:02:35 < Ecco> Yeah, that's true, depending on the part
2018-04-14T00:02:38 < catphish> that inverter never worked :( i screwed up the mosfet setup, redesigning it now
2018-04-14T00:02:48 < Ecco> catphish: what are you building?
2018-04-14T00:02:57 < catphish> 3 phase motor drive
2018-04-14T00:03:11 < Ecco> ok
2018-04-14T00:03:37 < catphish> basically just 3 half bridges, 2 current sensors and a voltage sensor, isolated, nothing too complicated really
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2018-04-14T00:04:46 < catphish> i'm mostly a software designer, but having fun learning how to put the hardware together
2018-04-14T00:05:02 < Ecco> :)
2018-04-14T00:07:24 < Ecco> Meh… my hardware breakpoints are not working either :-/
2018-04-14T00:07:33 < Ecco> At least they don't fiddle with the RAM
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2018-04-14T00:11:30 < branjb> zyp that thing is hauling, how fast?
2018-04-14T00:12:09 < zyp> 10000mm/s^2 and 800mm/s
2018-04-14T00:12:40 < zyp> I just got my motion code working, so I were testing how high up I could get those numbers before it couldn't keep up anymore
2018-04-14T00:13:40 < branjb> catphish: if you have a microscope you'd be amazed at what you can solder size wise
2018-04-14T00:16:56 < branjb> zyp till the hardware can't keep up, or the steppers?
2018-04-14T00:17:40 < zyp> steppers, I guess
2018-04-14T00:17:56 < zyp> haven't measured cpu load on the stm yet
2018-04-14T00:18:17 < zyp> haven't tuned stepper current either
2018-04-14T00:18:19 < branjb> that's close to the speed i see when steppers can't keep up anymore
2018-04-14T00:18:27 < zyp> yeah
2018-04-14T00:18:35 < zyp> z gets stuck at way lower speeds
2018-04-14T00:18:45 < branjb> is it a torque thing, not enough torque at that speed?
2018-04-14T00:18:50 < zyp> probably
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2018-04-14T00:19:18 < branjb> so you wrote the code to generate stepper pulses?
2018-04-14T00:19:47 < branjb> are you using pwm, output compare, or something else?
2018-04-14T00:19:57 < zyp> 100kHz ISR
2018-04-14T00:20:05 < branjb> o
2018-04-14T00:20:21 < zyp> the code is pretty shit at the moment
2018-04-14T00:20:29 < zyp> but first goal is get it to work, then improve
2018-04-14T00:20:41 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/dDS9i
2018-04-14T00:22:34 < branjb> i wrote some ghetto stepper code last year that actually performed really well
2018-04-14T00:23:18 < lsm> stm32 newbie here. using gcc arm cross-compiler, cubemx SDK. STM32F429I-Discovery board, trying to print to the UART (the one I've connected the board via the USB, so it is st-link connection).
2018-04-14T00:23:26 < branjb> was using timers with output compare for pulse generation, and an ISR to control acceleration
2018-04-14T00:23:43 < lsm> this is my code: https://pastebin.com/kQajr9iq . no errors, but i see nothing on the uart. any clues?
2018-04-14T00:24:06 < Ecco> lsm: enable uart clock in RCC maybe?
2018-04-14T00:25:58 < lsm> Ecco: thx, let me try, thx
2018-04-14T00:26:25 < branjb> zyp: https://pastebin.com/GPG1eC59
2018-04-14T00:26:40 < catphish> there aren't too many steps to enable a uart: enable the AHB clock, set the data rate, enable the uart, enable tx/rx, configure the pins to uart alternative function
2018-04-14T00:26:52 < Steffanx> Whats a segment exactly zyp? Just acceleration, start speed and distance for a given time?
2018-04-14T00:27:01 < catphish> maybe enable the clock on the appropriate GPIO port
2018-04-14T00:27:58 < catphish> i don't use the F4 or the HAL so not sure of the exact code for your case
2018-04-14T00:27:59 < zyp> Steffanx, https://paste.jvnv.net/view/C8t36
2018-04-14T00:32:56 < zyp> Steffanx, here's the mess that generates them: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/HAG7H
2018-04-14T00:34:38 < lsm> `__HAL_RCC_USART1_CLK_ENABLE();` - made no difference
2018-04-14T00:35:57 < zyp> Steffanx, each linear move is split into three segments; acceleration, constant speed, deceleration
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2018-04-14T00:45:04 < Steffanx> Ah ok.
2018-04-14T00:46:25 < branjb> zyp are you going to do all the code yourself, interpolations and stuff for I and J gcodes?
2018-04-14T00:47:58 < zyp> what are those?
2018-04-14T00:50:01 < branjb> "travel from x to z, curving through y on the way"
2018-04-14T00:50:31 < zyp> don't think 3d printers tend to use them
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2018-04-14T00:56:27 < zyp> time to implement lookahead, drawing circles doesn't work so well: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/FzWV6.png
2018-04-14T00:56:30 < branjb> ah yeah just checked some of my 3d print files, no I or J
2018-04-14T00:56:37 < zyp> also, wtf why are z varying
2018-04-14T00:56:40 < branjb> fusion360 produces them though
2018-04-14T00:56:40 < branjb> G3 X103.649 Y14.43 I0.165 J-0.271
2018-04-14T00:57:06 < zyp> might look into that later
2018-04-14T00:57:28 < zyp> but that's not too interesting
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2018-04-14T00:57:43 < zyp> what I'm more interested in is splitting drivers across multiple usb devices
2018-04-14T00:59:20 < zyp> my goal is to not have to wire every single signal to a central board that handles everything, but instead placing microcontrollers around where it makes sense and just run power/usb to the central controller
2018-04-14T01:00:56 < Ecco> by the way, from a purely theoretical standpoint, would it make sense to build a parallell computer made out of many STM32s?
2018-04-14T01:01:09 < zyp> Ecco, to do what?
2018-04-14T01:01:09 < Ecco> I mean, how would it compare to, say, a GPU
2018-04-14T01:01:17 < Ecco> To do parallel computations
2018-04-14T01:01:33 < zyp> not at all
2018-04-14T01:01:39 < Thorn> why not an fpga
2018-04-14T01:02:01 < zyp> why not a GPU? if you want SIMD, get something designed for SIMD
2018-04-14T01:02:07 < Ecco> Thorn: well, yeah, I don't know how many Cortex cores could fit in an FPGA
2018-04-14T01:02:19 < Ecco> zyp: THat's just a theoretical question
2018-04-14T01:02:25 < Thorn> why cortex cores, use application specific cores
2018-04-14T01:02:45 < zyp> Ecco, my point is, a GPU isn't many CPUs
2018-04-14T01:02:45 < Ecco> Well, I was under the impression that cortex-m cores were actually quite capable and pretty cheap
2018-04-14T01:03:05 < Ecco> Yes, I know
2018-04-14T01:03:17 < Ecco> but my question isn't 100% absurd, is it?
2018-04-14T01:03:28 < zyp> yes, it is
2018-04-14T01:03:31 < zyp> :)
2018-04-14T01:03:32 < Ecco> Let's imagine a highly parallel computing payload. I don't know, password cracking.
2018-04-14T01:03:48 < zyp> yeah, it doesn't make sense to divide that between many CPUs
2018-04-14T01:04:01 < Ecco> which would be faster, per USD: a bunch of STM32s or an nVidia card
2018-04-14T01:04:04 < Ecco> why not?
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2018-04-14T01:09:23 < zyp> a modern GPU does something like 1-10 TFLOPS, a cortex-m can maybe do some MFLOPS
2018-04-14T01:09:44 < Ecco> oh, wow
2018-04-14T01:09:54 < Ecco> I had no idea the difference was so big
2018-04-14T01:10:02 < Ecco> How comes?
2018-04-14T01:10:15 < Laurenceb_> der thot
2018-04-14T01:10:19 < Ecco> I thought I had heard somewhere that a GPU contained "about a thousand cores"
2018-04-14T01:10:23 < Ecco> is that correct?
2018-04-14T01:10:51 < Ecco> that would still mean that each of those cores isa athousand times faster than a cortex-m one
2018-04-14T01:11:44 < catphish> where might i find a typical supporting circuit for an stm32 then? so many datasheets
2018-04-14T01:11:48 < zyp> comparing FLOPS might be a bit unfair, cortex-m isn't very fast at floats
2018-04-14T01:12:05 < zyp> catphish, supporting what?
2018-04-14T01:12:13 < Ecco> that's still a 1e6 difference :-D
2018-04-14T01:12:27 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/5b9eea6e1c/104444.jpg
2018-04-14T01:12:32 < catphish> zyp: i mean a schematic of a minimal setup to get an stm32 running
2018-04-14T01:12:51 < catphish> with necessary external components
2018-04-14T01:12:57 < Ecco> catphish: http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/6c/a3/24/49/a5/d4/4a/db/CD00164185.pdf/files/CD00164185.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00164185.pdf
2018-04-14T01:13:01 < Ecco> (for example)
2018-04-14T01:13:05 < Ecco> full schematics at the end
2018-04-14T01:13:27 < zyp> catphish, minimal setup is pretty much hook up power to it
2018-04-14T01:13:35 < catphish> looks good, thanks, i'm using an l4, i imgine it's similar, i'll check if there's a similar document
2018-04-14T01:13:47 < Ecco> you're welcome
2018-04-14T01:13:48 < zyp> if you wanna be nice, throw a 100nF decoupling cap next to each power pin
2018-04-14T01:14:09 < zyp> and also hook up vcap if your chip has those
2018-04-14T01:14:13 < catphish> does look pretty easy
2018-04-14T01:14:14 < zyp> that's it
2018-04-14T01:14:31 < Ecco> it is
2018-04-14T01:14:37 < Thorn> boot0 to gnd
2018-04-14T01:14:57 < Ecco> The only issue is that iterating takes time: if you make a mistake, you'll have to wait for an updated PCB or manually patch things up
2018-04-14T01:15:41 < catphish> i'd best get it right first time then
2018-04-14T01:15:50 < zyp> it's pretty hard to fuck up getting it to run at all
2018-04-14T01:16:03 < catphish> china are doing pcbs in 4 days now, but no need to waste money :)
2018-04-14T01:16:06 < Ecco> well you rarely make mistakes on purpose :-D
2018-04-14T01:16:20 < Ecco> yeah, but 4 days + shipping + customs
2018-04-14T01:16:22 < Ecco> that adds up
2018-04-14T01:16:36 < zyp> just don't hook boot0 to vbus and you'll be fine :)
2018-04-14T01:16:41 < catphish> Ecco: no,  4 days to my door for $33, it's mad
2018-04-14T01:17:01 < Ecco> oh, wow, nice
2018-04-14T01:17:03 < Ecco> US? EU?
2018-04-14T01:17:06 < catphish> UK
2018-04-14T01:17:12 < Ecco> nice
2018-04-14T01:17:37 < Ecco> ($33, not the UK :p)
2018-04-14T01:17:44 < Ecco> jk
2018-04-14T01:17:48 < catphish> china seem to price in $ lol
2018-04-14T01:17:58 < Ecco> yeah, they always price everything in USD
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2018-04-14T01:18:33 < catphish> oh, i just caught the mild insultation :)
2018-04-14T01:18:33 < Ecco> RMB is such a joke of a currency anyway
2018-04-14T01:18:42 < catphish> RMB?
2018-04-14T01:19:09 < Ecco> chinese yuan
2018-04-14T01:19:29 < catphish> ah
2018-04-14T01:19:55 < catphish> cool, looks like my code already uses the internal oscillator, HSI -> PLL
2018-04-14T01:20:42 < Ecco> Definitely don't bother with HSE in a first board unless you really need it
2018-04-14T01:20:43 < catphish> so should be really easy to get it running, if i can solder it
2018-04-14T01:21:02 < Ecco> buy good flux, good solder
2018-04-14T01:21:27 < Ecco> good soldering iron (I recommend Hakko FX888-D, cheap & reliable)
2018-04-14T01:21:45 < Ecco> you may also get a hot air gun in case something gets messy
2018-04-14T01:21:55 < Ecco> I got a crap one from china for like $20
2018-04-14T01:22:06 < Ecco> usefull if you fucked things up and need to unsolder a large part
2018-04-14T01:22:12 < catphish> i believe i have all those things, though my only hot air gun is a basic one for heatshrink
2018-04-14T01:22:16 < Ecco> you can theoretically use them to reflow
2018-04-14T01:22:30 < Ecco> well, you want one that goes up to 400°C
2018-04-14T01:22:34 < catphish> 2kW though, i guess hot air is hot air
2018-04-14T01:22:44 < Ecco> which obviously would vaporize your shrinkwrap :)
2018-04-14T01:23:07 < Ecco> but yeah, as long as it gets hot enough to melt solder, you should be all set
2018-04-14T01:23:53 < Ecco> your own/gf's/wife's/mom's hairdryer probably wouldn't do, though :)
2018-04-14T01:24:01 < catphish> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/group0/93/81/9b/8d/2f/09/4a/e8/DM00125306/files/DM00125306.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00125306.pdf :)
2018-04-14T01:24:10 < Ecco> here you go!
2018-04-14T01:24:28 < Ecco> ref design p 45
2018-04-14T01:24:37 < Ecco> if you want something quick, just copy this :)
2018-04-14T01:24:55 < Ecco> wtf, they have an inductor :-D
2018-04-14T01:24:57 < catphish> i'll need some programming connectors, can probably use my existing nucleo as a programmer / serial IO
2018-04-14T01:25:04 < Ecco> you can :)
2018-04-14T01:25:17 < Ecco> they most likely expose swd in the ref design
2018-04-14T01:25:21 < Ecco> see, they do
2018-04-14T01:25:24 < Ecco> stlink connector, bottom left
2018-04-14T01:25:55 < catphish> yeah, the nucleo is designed as a breakable board with exposed connectors so it can do on-board or detached
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2018-04-14T01:27:23 < catphish> wow that's pretty simple, the inductor is for the analog supply, they don't even bother with an analog ground
2018-04-14T01:28:35 < catphish> wow, 10 x 100nF decoupling capacitors
2018-04-14T01:28:57 < Ecco> depends on your package
2018-04-14T01:29:01 < Ecco> that's a recommendation though
2018-04-14T01:29:17 < Ecco> like zyp said, would most likely work without any anyways
2018-04-14T01:30:25 < catphish> there are some oddities, like 3 x 10k resistors that connect to nothing but the external st-link pins
2018-04-14T01:30:46 < Ecco> don't bother with stlink
2018-04-14T01:30:53 < Ecco> just wire SWD
2018-04-14T01:31:08 < Ecco> (that's NRST/SWDIO/SWDCLK)
2018-04-14T01:31:55 < catphish> sounds good, i'll need a UART TX pin too
2018-04-14T01:32:01 < zyp> catphish, you want one 100nF per vcc/gnd pair
2018-04-14T01:32:06 < zyp> close to it
2018-04-14T01:32:23 < catphish> zyp: yeah that's what it recommends, shouldn't be too much of a problem
2018-04-14T01:32:28 < Thorn> holy shit the cheapest reel of 100nF 0603 caps in lcsc is $87.2
2018-04-14T01:32:42 < zyp> the purpose of 100nF decoupling is to have it as close as possible, so you want one next to each power pin
2018-04-14T01:32:44 < Ecco> lcsc?
2018-04-14T01:32:54 < Ecco> passives are getting out of hand
2018-04-14T01:32:55 < zyp> but the number doesn't matter, so you don't need to stack several right next to each other
2018-04-14T01:32:56 < catphish> i can lose LSE and HSE i hope, so not much else needed
2018-04-14T01:33:36 < catphish> so 1 x 0.1uF near each set of pins
2018-04-14T01:33:47 < Ecco> Thorn: how many per reel?
2018-04-14T01:33:47 < catphish> *of VDD
2018-04-14T01:34:25 < Thorn> 4000 https://lcsc.com/product-detail/Multilayer-Ceramic-Capacitors-MLCC-SMD-SMT_100nF-104-20-50V_C42998.html
2018-04-14T01:34:41 < Ecco> It's not that bad
2018-04-14T01:35:11 < Thorn> they had reels for $30 a couple months ago and I though that was insane
2018-04-14T01:35:21 < Thorn> not any more lol
2018-04-14T01:35:33 < Ecco> passives are getting out of hand this year
2018-04-14T01:35:43 < Ecco> I've been told this for like 6 month now
2018-04-14T01:35:46 < Ecco> and indeed, they are
2018-04-14T01:36:25 < catphish> well i can probably build that, though it's still tempting to just use a nucleo header
2018-04-14T01:36:26 < Thorn> well resistors still seem to be like $4 a reel
2018-04-14T01:36:32 < Thorn> hopefully lol
2018-04-14T01:37:39 < Thorn> oh and those caps are Y5V
2018-04-14T01:37:52 < Ecco> Yeah…
2018-04-14T01:38:57 < catphish> what's the purpose of the boot0 pin? why would one boot from ram?
2018-04-14T01:39:24 < Ecco> catphish: boot from ROMed bootloader or boot from your code in flash
2018-04-14T01:39:39 < Ecco> ram is just another option that's rarely used (I assume)
2018-04-14T01:40:05 < catphish> oh, system memory isn't sram, it's a hardwired rom?
2018-04-14T01:40:10 < Ecco> yup
2018-04-14T01:40:15 < catphish> i see
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2018-04-14T01:40:48 < catphish> i see you can also boot from sram, probably less useful for most cases
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2018-04-14T01:43:34 < Rob235> I think I need some EE lessons
2018-04-14T01:44:25 < catphish> i'm receiving some right here :)
2018-04-14T01:44:44 < steverrrr> maybe you should go to school.  LOL!
2018-04-14T01:45:02 < catphish> but i'm too cool for school
2018-04-14T01:45:03 < Rob235> I cant get my teensy to work anymore, usb isnt recognized anymore.  Could the stepper drivers be pulling current through the usb and destroying my mcus?
2018-04-14T01:45:54 < Ecco> well, destroying an MCU is easy
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2018-04-14T01:46:11 < Ecco> ESD happen
2018-04-14T01:46:43 < Rob235> I never had problems like this before, but now they are dropping like flies :)
2018-04-14T01:46:53 < steverrrr> does the chip get hot when powered on?
2018-04-14T01:47:08 < Rob235> this one didnt seem to be
2018-04-14T01:47:36 < Rob235> if I plug usb in the regulator is still functioning because I get 3.3v on that pin
2018-04-14T01:47:51 < Rob235> but its not being recognized
2018-04-14T01:49:13 < steverrrr> is there protection from stepper motor backEMF ?
2018-04-14T01:49:35 < Rob235> dunno its a pololu drv8825
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2018-04-14T01:51:12 < steverrrr> are you powering the USB from your laptop or an AC/DC ?
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2018-04-14T01:52:15 < Rob235> laptop
2018-04-14T01:52:45 < Rob235> although I was switching between usb and external power when it stopped working
2018-04-14T01:53:23 < steverrrr> while the load was drawing current?
2018-04-14T01:53:34 < Rob235> no
2018-04-14T01:53:55 < Rob235> they were never connected at the same time
2018-04-14T01:54:41 < steverrrr> i mean, were any of the coils in the stepper motor energized when you unplugged the power?
2018-04-14T01:55:08 < Rob235> I dont think so but I dont know
2018-04-14T01:55:22 < Rob235> how do you avoid that?
2018-04-14T01:56:08 < steverrrr> well, just don't drive the motor unless it has to be driven
2018-04-14T01:56:46 < steverrrr> is it moving or being braked 100% of the time?
2018-04-14T01:57:27 < Rob235> wasnt moving before it stopped working
2018-04-14T01:58:16 < steverrrr> and wasn't being braked either?  in other words, all the inputs to the motor driver are inactive
2018-04-14T01:59:11 < steverrrr> point is, disconneting a current carrying wire will cause large voltage spikes due to large di/dt
2018-04-14T02:00:02 < steverrrr> thru the inductance of the wire
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2018-04-14T02:10:23 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/idPjW.mp4 https://bin.jvnv.net/file/nhlJA.png
2018-04-14T02:10:27 < zyp> nice and smooth circle
2018-04-14T02:11:26 < sync> is this that st board
2018-04-14T02:11:42 < zyp> steval-3dp001
2018-04-14T02:11:44 < sync> yeah
2018-04-14T02:11:49 < stvn> thanks
2018-04-14T02:11:59 < stvn> 4 sharing
2018-04-14T02:12:37 < zyp> it's actually pretty annoying
2018-04-14T02:12:45 < zyp> schematic is shit, connectors are shit
2018-04-14T02:13:10 < zyp> the wifi thing I don't care about
2018-04-14T02:13:11 < sync> yeah, I looked at it and was like ehhhhh I'll wait until someone made it work
2018-04-14T02:13:24 < Ultrasauce> that printer looks nice though
2018-04-14T02:13:25 < zyp> onboard stlink is convenient though
2018-04-14T02:13:37 < zyp> I put blackmagic probe on it
2018-04-14T02:13:41 < zyp> Ultrasauce, not mine
2018-04-14T02:13:57 < sync> the stepper drivers are actually ok
2018-04-14T02:14:31 < zyp> dunno
2018-04-14T02:14:47 < zyp> they don't seem too impressive, but I don't have much to compare to
2018-04-14T02:15:35 < zyp> they're better than all the shit that requires an analog trimpot to set the current, but apart from that I don't know
2018-04-14T02:16:22 < zyp> I hear good stuff about trinamic drivers, so I figure I'll eventually whip up a design with some of those
2018-04-14T02:16:45 < sync> well I only used the powerstep01 and those seem to be great
2018-04-14T02:17:24 < zyp> compared to what?
2018-04-14T02:18:32 < sync> most other drivers
2018-04-14T02:18:40 < sync> that can only do step/dir or some shit
2018-04-14T02:19:02 < zyp> hmm, powerstep01 looks like a whole other class regarding voltage/current specs
2018-04-14T02:20:28 < Ultrasauce> ooh and it can actually switch above audio frequencies
2018-04-14T02:21:08 < zyp> I need to dick around with the config params of these some time
2018-04-14T02:21:12 < zyp> right now they are noisy as fuck
2018-04-14T02:21:25 < Ultrasauce> yeah my printer is like being in a room full of CRTs
2018-04-14T02:28:15 < stvn> Can I see
2018-04-14T02:29:06 < stvn> stffn is looking for crt
2018-04-14T02:30:57 < Laurenceb_> stvn spotted https://imgoat.com/uploads/5b9eea6e1c/104472.png
2018-04-14T02:31:58 < stvn> Lol
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2018-04-14T02:33:51 < stvn> Today I’m eating tectu chocolate
2018-04-14T02:34:03 < stvn> “Frey”
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2018-04-14T02:35:26 < stvn> 🇨🇭
2018-04-14T02:35:30 < laurence__>  >dat wifi module placement
2018-04-14T02:35:32 < laurence__> what is rf
2018-04-14T02:35:55 < stvn> I’m still looking at your Aussie picture
2018-04-14T02:37:23 < sync> Ultrasauce: yeah, but steppers will always be a bit noise unless sensored ime
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2018-04-14T03:33:58 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/5b9eea6e1c/104483.png
2018-04-14T03:34:01 < Laurenceb_> this timeline
2018-04-14T03:34:05 < Laurenceb_> wtf I can't even
2018-04-14T03:35:08 < branjb> >EU
2018-04-14T03:35:14 < branjb> all you need to know
2018-04-14T03:36:24 < karlp> >interpretation of eu ideas that the legal precedent for who is responsible for robot actions
2018-04-14T03:36:36 < karlp> >nahhhh, we'll make it about robots are people noh!
2018-04-14T03:45:45 < Laurenceb_> ywlts Terminator in current year -1
2018-04-14T03:50:46 < Rob235> umm how do I protect an mcu from dying :(
2018-04-14T04:05:21 < Thorn> Laurenceb_: I'm sure it's the feminists trying to stop men from using sex bots
2018-04-14T04:06:40 < Laurenceb_> oh shit
2018-04-14T04:06:49 < Laurenceb_> its oh guys
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2018-04-14T04:06:59  * Laurenceb_ has nearby disused railway tunnel
2018-04-14T04:07:07 < Laurenceb_> no bottled water
2018-04-14T04:07:11 < Laurenceb_> reee Im dead
2018-04-14T04:07:17 < Laurenceb_> *on
2018-04-14T04:07:51 < Laurenceb_> preppers are laughing at me now
2018-04-14T04:15:29 < Laurenceb_> tfw no personal early warning radar
2018-04-14T04:18:56 < Laurenceb_> well fuck this time to do something daft
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2018-04-14T04:47:05 < steverrrr> who here has been to ESC?
2018-04-14T04:47:18 < Laurenceb_> DEATH TO AMERICA
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2018-04-14T05:08:54 < stvn> hi sir
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2018-04-14T06:25:18 < stvn> pump radio hour
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2018-04-14T07:26:46 < jadew> looks like finally whois data no longer contains private information
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2018-04-14T07:27:37 < jadew> half the reason I moved my stuff from godaddy was because they charged a lot for private registration
2018-04-14T07:27:41 < jadew> glad that's not needed anymore
2018-04-14T07:28:05 < jadew> that probably cuts their income in half
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2018-04-14T07:49:40 < stvn> goniggeres
2018-04-14T07:50:38 < stvn> cuck a duck
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2018-04-14T11:14:35 < stvn> steffan
2018-04-14T11:15:07 < catphish> morning
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2018-04-14T11:33:08 < Steffanx> Stvn.
2018-04-14T11:34:32 < stvn> hi sir
2018-04-14T11:34:44 < stvn> welcome
2018-04-14T11:35:04 < stvn> and hi mr fish
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2018-04-14T11:35:16 < Steffanx> Wilkommen
2018-04-14T11:35:39 < Steffanx> +l
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2018-04-14T11:46:37 < stvn> I'M THE FUCKIN KING OF KONG
2018-04-14T11:46:42 < stvn> king of mame more like it
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2018-04-14T12:11:31 < Steffanx> 💊?
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2018-04-14T12:17:03 < Laurenceb_> 0x01F48A to you
2018-04-14T12:17:49 < Laurenceb_> in lunix we dont need no stinking emoji shit
2018-04-14T12:19:41 < BrainDamage> it's part of the unicode standard, it's rendered trough normal fonts
2018-04-14T12:19:53 < BrainDamage> you don't need emoji shit, just a font that supports it
2018-04-14T12:20:14 < Laurenceb_> I just see hex :P
2018-04-14T12:20:32 < BrainDamage> again, just a font that supports it will make it render
2018-04-14T12:21:13 < BrainDamage> you don't even need to actively use it, it'll be auto selected as fallback
2018-04-14T12:22:10 < BrainDamage> eg install droid, dejavu, noto, symbola, and you got 99% of the shit covered
2018-04-14T12:22:17 < BrainDamage> no more empty boxes
2018-04-14T12:22:49 < Laurenceb_> I can't wait
2018-04-14T12:23:11 < Laurenceb_> sudo apt-get install emoji-fuckoff
2018-04-14T12:23:17 < BrainDamage> there's other shit other than emoji
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2018-04-14T12:25:15 < BrainDamage> from language support so you can be called a バカ外人 or math symbols so you can ∫fuck∂t
2018-04-14T12:26:54 < Laurenceb_> yeah all that works fine
2018-04-14T12:27:22 < Laurenceb_> anyway... things that matter
2018-04-14T12:27:34  * Laurenceb_ is wondering how to shoot down waves of cruise missiles
2018-04-14T12:28:07 < Laurenceb_> I was working on a design for peer to peer air defense
2018-04-14T12:28:26 < BrainDamage> make sure to add blockchains to receive funding
2018-04-14T12:28:34 < Laurenceb_> but I dont think it helps in cases of cruise missile attack as they use the terrain
2018-04-14T12:28:48 < Laurenceb_> peer to peer on lots of tethered blimps might work
2018-04-14T12:29:35 < Laurenceb_> but it would probably still be hackable by screwing with gps
2018-04-14T12:29:58 < Laurenceb_> - have tx and rx nodes then do synthetic aperture shit to find the targets
2018-04-14T12:30:02 < sync> Laurenceb_: get S400
2018-04-14T12:30:10 < sync> and then shoot down all the cruise missiles
2018-04-14T12:30:33 < Laurenceb_> nah no conventional system will work
2018-04-14T12:30:37 < Laurenceb_> it goes like this:
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2018-04-14T12:30:48 < Laurenceb_> enemy sees where defence radar is
2018-04-14T12:31:02 < Laurenceb_> they plan the attack route to minimise visibility
2018-04-14T12:31:08 < Laurenceb_> then launch a wave attack
2018-04-14T12:31:15 < Laurenceb_> so only a handful can be shot down
2018-04-14T12:31:49 < Laurenceb_> missile defence only works properly on an infinite flat plane
2018-04-14T12:31:49 < sync> that is why you have 100% radar coverage
2018-04-14T12:32:19 < Laurenceb_> >not S400 handing off a giant tethered blimp at 30000 feet
2018-04-14T12:32:24 < Laurenceb_> *hanging
2018-04-14T12:33:17 < Laurenceb_> but more seriously, very lightweight system on tethered advertising style blimps could be linked into ground based launchers
2018-04-14T12:33:52 < sync> I wonder how well the 42S6 works
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2018-04-14T12:43:26 < Laurenceb_> Hey, did you know that Aardvarks tend to avoid very rocky terrain because rocks are difficult to dig in
2018-04-14T12:43:41 < Laurenceb_>  I am contemplating expanding to all animal facts. Upvote if you'd like me to evolve to my next form
2018-04-14T12:43:53 < Laurenceb_> Sometimes I go offline or Donald Trump takes me offline. Be patient.
2018-04-14T12:44:27 < Laurenceb_> copypasta level: esoteric
2018-04-14T12:45:31 < stvn> wait what on earth are you talking about today mate
2018-04-14T12:46:06 < Laurenceb_> Any of you russian trolls in here that want to step out of the basement and face me like real men? Give us your IP, address, phone number, full name, and ISP.
2018-04-14T12:47:54 < stvn> lolol
2018-04-14T12:50:57 < stvn> got any more fresh ones mate?
2018-04-14T12:52:47 < Laurenceb_> there is a worldwide shortage of copypastas right now
2018-04-14T12:52:57 < Laurenceb_> we need a navy seal to raid some more
2018-04-14T12:54:27 < stvn> yeah muscles
2018-04-14T12:54:34 < stvn> do you ubuntu?
2018-04-14T12:55:40 < Laurenceb_> unfortunatly
2018-04-14T12:55:48 < Laurenceb_> linux mint on latest machine
2018-04-14T12:56:12 < stvn> what one is better mate
2018-04-14T12:57:51 < Laurenceb_> mint
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2018-04-14T12:58:39 < stvn> any obvious reason why?
2018-04-14T12:58:52 < stvn> apart from ubuntu by default looks like some kind of nigger environment
2018-04-14T12:59:45 < Laurenceb_> that
2018-04-14T12:59:56 < Laurenceb_> ubuntu with sane ui might not be too bad
2018-04-14T13:00:02 < Laurenceb_> but I'm too lazy to try
2018-04-14T13:00:04 < stvn> what does mint use
2018-04-14T13:00:24 < Laurenceb_> winxpis ui
2018-04-14T13:00:30 < Laurenceb_> *ish
2018-04-14T13:00:38 < stvn> what the fuck does that mean mate
2018-04-14T13:00:55 < Laurenceb_> https://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/sylvia/cinnamon.png
2018-04-14T13:00:56 < stvn> reactos lol
2018-04-14T13:01:01 < Laurenceb_>  "cinnamon"
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2018-04-14T13:01:16 < stvn> i see
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2018-04-14T13:07:14 < stvn> are you on the linux mint machine now?
2018-04-14T13:17:16 < Laurenceb_> inb4 stvn haxores me
2018-04-14T13:17:21 < Laurenceb_> no ubuntu
2018-04-14T13:17:36 < stvn> nuh
2018-04-14T13:17:57 < stvn> i just wanted to know if any of those nigger systems support intel coffee lake gfx yet
2018-04-14T13:18:45 < Laurenceb_> >implying I have any kit never than 10 years old
2018-04-14T13:18:49 < Laurenceb_> *newer
2018-04-14T13:18:58 < stvn> hmm
2018-04-14T13:21:21 < Laurenceb_> hmm I still have an original rpi
2018-04-14T13:21:34 < Laurenceb_> I should wait until it is worth megabux as a relic
2018-04-14T13:21:38 < Laurenceb_> as in first batch
2018-04-14T13:22:59 < Laurenceb_> If you dont bomb syria u are a CUCKED LEFTIST SOYBOY
2018-04-14T13:24:40 < stvn> lol
2018-04-14T13:25:04 < stvn> it's like you have a nervous twitch and start blasting out memes during normal IRCing
2018-04-14T13:31:22 < Laurenceb_> memetic tourettes
2018-04-14T13:40:15 < stvn> ty son
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2018-04-14T14:03:18 < stvn> fucking ubuntu
2018-04-14T14:03:56 < Steffanx> language stvn, language.
2018-04-14T14:04:06 < stvn> english
2018-04-14T14:04:11 < stvn> (uk)
2018-04-14T14:04:19 < Steffanx> i meant: watch your language.
2018-04-14T14:06:44 < stvn> oh
2018-04-14T14:06:46 < stvn> why is that
2018-04-14T14:07:57 < Ultrasauce> ubuntu is a naughty word
2018-04-14T14:09:37 < stvn> you're right
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2018-04-14T14:12:55 < stvn> i want to download more games
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2018-04-14T14:41:34 < Rob235> someone snubber circuit me
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2018-04-14T14:54:50 < stvn> 1n 100r
2018-04-14T14:56:53 < stvn> ----||---/\/\/----
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2018-04-14T15:09:22 < Steffanx> he couldnt handle you being helpful stvn.
2018-04-14T15:09:35 < stvn> i noticed
2018-04-14T15:10:59 < stvn> should try a different response such as 'hedde drugs op?'
2018-04-14T15:11:48 < sync> let op drömpels
2018-04-14T15:11:56 < Steffanx> Ya Kumpel.
2018-04-14T15:12:30 < Steffanx> Drempels though, we dont ö
2018-04-14T15:12:38 < sync> yes
2018-04-14T15:12:48 < sync> my bad
2018-04-14T15:13:17 < stvn> welcome
2018-04-14T15:22:25 < Laurenceb___> Ubuntu u
2018-04-14T15:24:27 < catphish> what even is this place
2018-04-14T15:24:32 < catphish> how did i end up here
2018-04-14T15:25:30 < stvn> linux fan club
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2018-04-14T15:38:22 < Laurenceb___> http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/%7B65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9%7D/s_2017_904.pdf
2018-04-14T15:38:23 < Laurenceb___> wew
2018-04-14T15:39:20 < Laurenceb___> page 31
2018-04-14T15:39:32 < stvn> yes
2018-04-14T15:39:43 < Laurenceb___> this is a gold mine
2018-04-14T15:39:51 < stvn> for pussy?
2018-04-14T15:39:53 < Laurenceb___> Alex Jones was right all along
2018-04-14T15:40:01 < Laurenceb___> inside jerb confirmed
2018-04-14T15:41:13 < Ecco> hi
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2018-04-14T15:44:25 < Laurenceb___> someone email to infowarz...
2018-04-14T15:44:30 < Laurenceb___> for great justice
2018-04-14T15:44:42 < Laurenceb___> lol @ the CPR part
2018-04-14T15:50:26 < Laurenceb___> video footage also showed a number of patients not being attended to, as well as paramedical interventions that did not seem to make medical sense, such as performing cardiac compression on a patient who was lying face down
2018-04-14T15:50:33 < Laurenceb___> my sides are in orbit
2018-04-14T15:55:42 < stvn> that's some good pumping
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2018-04-14T16:29:33 < Ecco> so, I've made some progress on my "reflashing then jumping to the reset vector doesn't work" bug
2018-04-14T16:29:49 < Ecco> if I break in the debugger before jumping to the reset vector, no bug!
2018-04-14T16:29:53 < Ecco> (just break and continue)
2018-04-14T16:30:04 < Ecco> What could explain that?
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2018-04-14T17:16:50 < Sagiftw> Hello. I'm using System Workbench AC6 to build and run my STM32 projects. I'm trying to include the Quad SPI HAL library in an existing project, but with no luck. I've included #include "stm32h7xx_hal_qspi.h" but I'm getting this error: undefined reference to `HAL_QSPI_DeInit'. Any ideas?
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2018-04-14T17:29:22 < Steffanx> stop using ac6 and move to truestudio :P
2018-04-14T17:29:39 < Steffanx> or keil when you follow in the ##stm32 way.
2018-04-14T17:30:09 < englishman> did you get cube to generate your code?
2018-04-14T17:30:34 < Steffanx> truestudio can generated the project for you.
2018-04-14T17:30:41 < englishman> sure
2018-04-14T17:30:47 < Steffanx> yes
2018-04-14T17:31:06 < Steffanx> TrueStudio actualy works. Eventhough its eclipse based
2018-04-14T17:31:15 < englishman> does it do code generation tho
2018-04-14T17:31:28 < Steffanx> oh, not sure. but at least it can generated the right project settings for you
2018-04-14T17:31:40 < englishman> with cube i have never had to type #include when it comes to any HAL libs
2018-04-14T17:32:10 < englishman> and init routines like HAL_QSPI_DeInit were also generated
2018-04-14T17:33:45 < Steffanx> but code generation -_-
2018-04-14T17:34:15 < englishman> yes?
2018-04-14T17:34:24 < englishman> saves all the tedium of starting a new project
2018-04-14T17:34:31 < englishman> when they are all going to be the same anyway
2018-04-14T17:34:37 < Steffanx> All pros have their own templates right?
2018-04-14T17:35:15 < englishman> you mean those "makefiles"?
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2018-04-14T17:35:40 < englishman> where no two are the same, but they all give you the same result?
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2018-04-14T17:37:57 < Steffanx> Real pros use scons
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2018-04-14T17:52:52 < Laurenceb___> arg eclipse
2018-04-14T17:55:59 < Steffanx> Argh Brits.
2018-04-14T17:57:49 < Laurenceb___> the Canada of Europe
2018-04-14T17:57:57 < Steffanx> Are you happy all your tax munny is spend in syria (again) Laurenceb__ ?
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2018-04-14T18:22:34 < Rob235> hmm should I use cube?
2018-04-14T18:24:22 < Rickta59> it is useful for figuring out an optimal pin plan
2018-04-14T18:24:57 < Rickta59> beyond that, you have to decide if you buy into the ST HAL strategy
2018-04-14T18:25:44 < Rickta59> it is also useful for configuring the clocks which you can use without too much grief
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2018-04-14T18:30:15 < Rob235> hrmm
2018-04-14T18:30:31 < Rob235> maybe I'll take a look at the HAL
2018-04-14T18:30:54 < Rickta59> what do you use now Rob235 ?
2018-04-14T18:31:11 < Rob235> for stm32 my last project I used stdPeriph
2018-04-14T18:31:21 < Rickta59> are you happy with that?
2018-04-14T18:31:42 < Rob235> yea I guess, thought it might be worth trying cube but I dont really see a reason to
2018-04-14T18:32:16 < Rickta59> I think it is a pile of crap
2018-04-14T18:32:21 < Rickta59> but .. what do i know
2018-04-14T18:32:30 < Rob235> what, cube or stdPeriph
2018-04-14T18:32:34 < Rickta59> cube
2018-04-14T18:32:36 < Rob235> thought so
2018-04-14T18:32:44 < Rob235> yea I'll stick with stdPeriph then
2018-04-14T18:33:18 < Rickta59> if you do what to try there is a spl2ll converter app .. I haven't tried it but supposedly it will convert your spl code to low layer stuff of cub
2018-04-14T18:33:26 < Rickta59> if you do want
2018-04-14T18:33:30 < Rob235> this is a pretty easy project for the mcu anyway, no complicated device communication or peripheral use
2018-04-14T18:33:57 < Rickta59> supposedly LL version of cube is supposed to be a SPL alternative
2018-04-14T18:34:00 < Rob235> just basic SPI communication and stepper/servo control
2018-04-14T18:34:05 < Rickta59> still looks like crap to me
2018-04-14T18:36:58 < Rickta59> the whole idea of having a high level api is that you can use it without having to spend too much time learning the registers of a chip... all HAL does it wrap everything in classes that you still need to what registers and values you need to supply ... so instead of just learning the peripheral registers, you have to learn their api and the registers
2018-04-14T18:37:18 < Rickta59> still need to know what
2018-04-14T18:41:56 < karlp> truestudio doesn't work at all fo rme.
2018-04-14T18:42:16 < karlp> doesn't even match tehir documented descriptions of how to add cube to it, dialogs are all missing buttons and clicking on tabs makes it crash
2018-04-14T18:42:45 < Rickta59> linux karlp ?
2018-04-14T18:42:50 < karlp> yah
2018-04-14T18:43:07 < karlp> I ran and old version for trial a few years back, worked fine.
2018-04-14T18:43:13 < karlp> 9.0 is just fail
2018-04-14T18:43:59 < Rickta59> export UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0 SWT_GTK3=0
2018-04-14T18:44:05 < Rickta59> i set that in my .profile
2018-04-14T18:44:15 < karlp> yeah, no, I'm just going to stop wasiting even more time on it
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2018-04-14T18:44:29 < karlp> and I'm not on ubuntu anyway
2018-04-14T18:44:59 < Rickta59> the SWT_GTK3 setting fixes the issues you describe for me
2018-04-14T18:45:15 < Rickta59> i actually run lubuntu desktop
2018-04-14T18:45:32 < Laurenceb___> Nikki 'poo in the loo' Haley
2018-04-14T18:46:18 < Laurenceb___> Nikki 'Assad gasses with chlorine, I gas with street faeces' Haley
2018-04-14T18:53:02 < Laurenceb___> https://imgoat.com/uploads/5b9eea6e1c/104641.png
2018-04-14T18:53:46 < Rob235> so I'm using command line tools for the first time with my F4 disco, what do I do with the bin? :)
2018-04-14T18:54:01 < zyp> throw it in the bin
2018-04-14T18:54:01 < Rob235> oh nvm
2018-04-14T18:54:09 < Rob235> I forgot the command line tools have a flash command
2018-04-14T18:55:42 < Rob235> damn, I was hoping my rpi was gonna get here today, gotta wait til monday
2018-04-14T18:56:14 < Rob235> oh wait
2018-04-14T18:56:15 < Rob235> nvm
2018-04-14T18:56:29 < Rob235> it is coming today, its already here hah
2018-04-14T18:56:43 < Rob235> got here 15 min ago
2018-04-14T19:01:23 < Rob235> I have that arctic silver two part ceramic thermal glue, should I use that or are those thermal sticky pads that come on heatsinks good enough
2018-04-14T19:06:31 < zyp> enough for what?
2018-04-14T19:06:59 < Steffanx> Gonna overclock the pi?
2018-04-14T19:09:23 < BrainDamage> the pi3 throws out ~5W under max load, a small-ish heatsink is required to prevent thermal throttling
2018-04-14T19:09:47 < BrainDamage> however, I'd recommend ditching the pi and switch to odroid c2 which perform way better and have less retarded drivers
2018-04-14T19:10:12 < BrainDamage> not to mention, an actual ethernet on the main bus
2018-04-14T19:12:41 < Rob235> nah not gonna oc, just got a heatsink for it to be safe, it was only like $1
2018-04-14T19:13:03 < Rob235> I used the glue stuff, I realized I hate those sticky pads because sometimes I knock the heatsink and it comes off
2018-04-14T19:13:24 < Steffanx> I think in my situation this usb-ethernet ic gets warmer than the cpu.
2018-04-14T19:13:52 < Rob235> I got a pi zero (unfortunately they didnt have the zw in stock)
2018-04-14T19:14:02 < Rob235> in addition to the 3 B+
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2018-04-14T20:15:08 < Laurenceb___> https://stv.tv/news/west-central/1412416-part-of-castle-closed-off-due-to-very-angry-badger/
2018-04-14T20:19:24 < Steffanx> /badger/blaxter/
2018-04-14T20:20:27 < Laurenceb___> shit I got busted
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2018-04-14T20:23:00 < branjb> lol
2018-04-14T20:23:21 < branjb> what is a blaxter?
2018-04-14T20:24:56 < Steffanx> A laurence
2018-04-14T20:25:32 < Steffanx> You know what the B in his "nick" means right?
2018-04-14T20:25:47 < branjb> is it /b/ ?
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2018-04-14T20:33:15 < Steffanx> Not sure if branjb is trolling :P
2018-04-14T20:33:41 < branjb> i'm actually not
2018-04-14T20:33:48 < Steffanx> Its his last name.
2018-04-14T20:34:51 < branjb> oh
2018-04-14T20:35:00 < branjb> I get it, haven't had my coffee yet
2018-04-14T20:35:04 < branjb> Laurence Blaxter
2018-04-14T20:35:12 < Steffanx> Ahah, good morning :)
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2018-04-14T20:40:07 < Rob235> alright, got my code all ported to stm32
2018-04-14T20:40:53 < Rob235> except for some reason Q7 on shift register 2 of 2 is showing half voltage
2018-04-14T20:41:02 < Rob235> QH I should say
2018-04-14T20:51:17 < zyp> just like the x in steffan's nick
2018-04-14T20:51:47 < Steffanx> Yes, where you replace the x with the correct character.
2018-04-14T20:52:00 < branjb> Xi
2018-04-14T20:54:18 < Steffanx> Trolled by zyp. Doesnt happen very often :P
2018-04-14T20:56:15 < branjb> https://americanmilitarynews.com/2018/04/chinese-police-catch-fugitive-in-crowd-of-60000-with-facial-recognition/?utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=alt&utm_source=decelerateyourlife
2018-04-14T20:56:21 < branjb> pretty good if true
2018-04-14T20:57:47 < Steffanx> Yet im glad i dont live in china.
2018-04-14T20:59:37 < jpa-> https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30623727_10216194151034362_9021053109840904192_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeHVYB5MsZb1H9cgrEgBcqJwylWN6Hj5Vb03Ac-6xKYlW2TaMpmYX3Tfu9jTP3nkNn5hCl1p3tRQ4dRb5TRS9Do6St6BQo_n8NiO64H2BmEPLg&oh=5a31791efad66a42ed40aa47808b70e1&oe=5B5B6314    is this photo from china or from finland?
2018-04-14T21:00:26  * PaulFertser thought Xi was some combinator statement, like Yi -> Y I -> I Y I -> Y I
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2018-04-14T21:02:11 < zyp> jpa-, hard to say, the text on the sign makes just about as much sense
2018-04-14T21:02:15 < zyp> signs*
2018-04-14T21:02:31 < zyp> jpa-, also, when are you gonna make nano-grpc
2018-04-14T21:02:40 < Steffanx> Must be sweden, it says volvo.
2018-04-14T21:03:30 < jpa-> zyp: once i have unlimited time and also figure out what it should do
2018-04-14T21:04:43 < jpa-> grpc being over http/2 and usually also over SSL it seems quite elaborate to setup on a microcontroller
2018-04-14T21:04:58 < zyp> hehe
2018-04-14T21:05:04 < Ecco> hi guys :) So I tried debugging that "jump to reset vector after reflash results in a hardfault" issue. What's very weird, is that if I just "break" using gdb before the jump, do nothing, and continue -> it works just fine
2018-04-14T21:05:38 < zyp> joke aside, I'm considering using nanopb for some stuff now
2018-04-14T21:05:42 < jpa-> https://github.com/nanopb/nanopb/issues/235    there is someone working on it though
2018-04-14T21:06:07 < zyp> I need to make a protocol to send commands over usb to this 3d printer thing I'm working on
2018-04-14T21:06:31 < zyp> maybe it's time I used protobuf for something :p
2018-04-14T21:07:25 < jpa-> i also finally used protobuf for a work project, but ended up just hacking up a custom C++ encoder/decoder instead of trying to figure out how to use nanopb
2018-04-14T21:07:33 < zyp> haha
2018-04-14T21:08:35 < jpa-> (it seems that .proto -> generated structs fits only about 50% of real-world use cases, but i'm yet to figure out how to bind arbitrary structs to .proto definitions in C nicely)
2018-04-14T21:10:55 < zyp> how do people normally do command protocols with protobuf, wrt. distinguishing message types, etc?
2018-04-14T21:10:56 < jpa-> but you'll have an excellent chance to be the first one to download 0.3.9.1 now
2018-04-14T21:11:17 < jpa-> i think the usual way is just to have a single top-level message with an oneof
2018-04-14T21:11:41 < zyp> hmm, does nanopb support proto3?
2018-04-14T21:12:33 < jpa-> yeah
2018-04-14T21:14:15 < jpa-> google made proto3 backwards-compatible enough that it would actually be hard not to support it atleast for the most part, but some of the differences like default value handling have been added to nanopb also
2018-04-14T21:14:23 < jpa-> personally i still like proto2 the best :P
2018-04-14T21:14:43 < zyp> I haven't read up on yet, got a summary of the differences?
2018-04-14T21:15:49 < jpa-> proto3 removed: 'required' fields, user-definable default values, real 'optional' fields, now field is considered missing if its value is 0
2018-04-14T21:16:47 < zyp> oh, so there's no distinction between 0 and unspecified anymore?
2018-04-14T21:16:56 < jpa-> yeah
2018-04-14T21:17:10 < zyp> that sounds a bit stupid
2018-04-14T21:17:30 < jpa-> seems silly to me, but the reason was that in many languages it is a bit difficult to know when a field is written to, which i can agree with
2018-04-14T21:17:45 < jpa-> for C i've just resolved it with separate has_fields that everyone forgets to set
2018-04-14T21:17:58 < zyp> that's fair
2018-04-14T21:18:32 < zyp> but still, reducing it to the lowest common denominator is pretty limiting
2018-04-14T21:19:18 < jpa-> yeah, and also i kind-of liked the required fields in proto2 also, it provided a nice sanity check for incoming messages
2018-04-14T21:19:34 < jpa-> now "" is a valid message of any type :P
2018-04-14T21:19:43 < zyp> also true
2018-04-14T21:23:44 < Steffanx> And why would to remove the 'required' stuff?!
2018-04-14T21:24:22 < jpa-> i guess for the same reason, because there is no longer distinction whether a field is present or not-present
2018-04-14T21:26:52 < zyp> I added junction speeds and lookahead to my 3d printer stuff today, now it doesn't stop between segments: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/EYZVy.png
2018-04-14T21:27:20 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/nhlJA.png <- this is how it looked before
2018-04-14T21:28:38 < jpa-> did you find a nice way to make it independent of the segment length?
2018-04-14T21:28:51 < zyp> make what independent of what+
2018-04-14T21:28:52 < jpa-> i find that my printer does small, multisegment circles way too fast
2018-04-14T21:29:20 < jpa-> because the angle between segments seems small, but the segments are only 0.1mm long so the overall acceleration is quite fast
2018-04-14T21:30:41 < zyp> oh, hmm
2018-04-14T21:31:02 < Rob235> stepper control works! time to mess with rpi
2018-04-14T21:31:04 < zyp> that seems easy enough to solve
2018-04-14T21:33:07 < jpa-> i think solving it properly needs to look forward over multiple segments
2018-04-14T21:34:17 < zyp> I figure you could limit the maximum speed of a segment by looking at both the entry/exit angles and the length of a segment
2018-04-14T21:35:15 < zyp> if both angles are curved in the same direction, you could fit a circle tangent to the segment, then limit speed based on sentripetal acceleration in that circle
2018-04-14T21:35:24 < zyp> similar concept to how the junction speed mechanism works
2018-04-14T21:35:55 < jpa-> hmm, i guess that would work in most cases
2018-04-14T21:36:46 < jpa-> i wonder if having tiny segments between long segments could mess that up, but on the other hand most of the times all segments of a curve are the same length
2018-04-14T21:37:43 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/vowD4 <- currently my code looks like this
2018-04-14T21:37:56 < zyp> junction_speed() is based on those same equations from grbl that everybody are using
2018-04-14T21:38:43 < jpa-> ah, you do motion computation on pc?
2018-04-14T21:39:17 < zyp> yes
2018-04-14T21:39:25 < jpa-> sounds similar to klipper
2018-04-14T21:39:29 < zyp> yes
2018-04-14T21:41:02 < zyp> I discovered klipper a few weeks ago, they have a bunch of the same ideas I have, but made some different design decisions
2018-04-14T21:43:33 < zyp> they want to keep compatibility with existing hardware so they've designed around a serial protocol, I'm going for custom usb
2018-04-14T21:44:39 < zyp> to sync multiple devices, they're keeping track of each device's individual clock on the master, translating times to each device's local time
2018-04-14T21:45:13 < zyp> I'm planning to use USB SOF to sync each device to a common timebase
2018-04-14T21:49:10 < jpa-> will it be only steppers or do you see a reasonable way to support servos also?
2018-04-14T21:50:52 < zyp> well, my protocol differs from klipper there also
2018-04-14T21:51:45 < zyp> ref. https://github.com/KevinOConnor/klipper/blob/master/docs/MCU_Commands.md#stepper-commands
2018-04-14T21:51:57 < zyp> they basically tell the MCU when to step
2018-04-14T21:52:13 < zyp> my protocol tells the MCU when to be where
2018-04-14T21:52:50 < zyp> ref. https://paste.jvnv.net/view/uopdY
2018-04-14T21:54:05 < jpa-> yeah
2018-04-14T21:54:37 < zyp> by servo, what sort of control do you have in mind?
2018-04-14T21:55:12 < jpa-> mostly just stepper + encoder, and simple control loop on a MCU
2018-04-14T21:55:35 < jpa-> for full advantage it would be nice to be able to slow down the other motors when one motor is falling behind
2018-04-14T21:56:39 < zyp> I'm considering adding a CAN bus for low-latency comms between controller boards
2018-04-14T21:57:26 < zyp> e.g. for homing to endstops, when endstop is on one device and stepper is controlled by another
2018-04-14T21:58:47 < jpa-> why not just usb-can adapter then to drive everything? instead of the separate USB bus to everything and then CAN to everything?
2018-04-14T21:59:31 < zyp> CAN is slow and has small packets :p
2018-04-14T21:59:35 < zyp> also
2018-04-14T22:00:00 < zyp> original idea was a shared irq line
2018-04-14T22:00:29 < zyp> but open drain is noise-sensitive, so I thought about using CAN transceivers, since a CAN-bus is wired-AND
2018-04-14T22:00:35 < karlp> what's grpc?
2018-04-14T22:00:45 < zyp> rpc over protobuf, basically
2018-04-14T22:01:01 < jpa-> rpc over protobuf over http/2
2018-04-14T22:01:42 < zyp> http part is not so interesting to me, but rpc over protobuf over usb could be neat
2018-04-14T22:03:11 < jpa-> rpc over protobuf is quite common, grpc is just one kind-of-standard way to do it, but i guess you lose a lot about the standardness if there is no http/2
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2018-04-14T22:04:22 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/svn/paatti-chibios/rpc/    this is what i was doing for rpc with nanopb-0.0.0 :P
2018-04-14T22:05:07 < zyp> :)
2018-04-14T22:07:06 < zyp> jpa-, so, say I make a protobuf command protocol, how do I transfer data blocks of like 64k? :p
2018-04-14T22:08:00 < jpa-> what do you want to do with that 64k on the receiving side?
2018-04-14T22:08:54 < zyp> put them in a buffer for later processing
2018-04-14T22:09:23 < jpa-> i don't see how the size is relevant then :P
2018-04-14T22:09:51 < zyp> I figure the best way to handle flow control while keeping multiple devices in sync is to first transfer the data to each device, and then send them all a command telling them when to start processing it
2018-04-14T22:10:01 < jpa-> if you wanted to process them as you receive it (because of lack of buffer space), i'd point you to the fancy callback mechanisms
2018-04-14T22:10:19 < zyp> that way I can use flow control while transferring the data, and be reasonably sure they're all ready to execute when I tell them to
2018-04-14T22:11:34 < zyp> I think the easiest way to solve receiving/buffering is to just decouple it completely from the command protocol
2018-04-14T22:11:43 < zyp> have a separate endpoint that feeds right into the buffer
2018-04-14T22:11:58 < zyp> that way I don't have to dick around with copying
2018-04-14T22:16:51 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONyUWirIWfk
2018-04-14T22:18:38 < zyp> I haven't spammed this yet, btw: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/jk8ZL.mp4
2018-04-14T22:19:09 < branjb> is that your board zyp?
2018-04-14T22:19:30 < zyp> it's steval-3dp001, but it's my firmware
2018-04-14T22:19:40 < branjb> oic
2018-04-14T22:20:05 < jadew> you're making your own 3d printer?
2018-04-14T22:20:50 < jadew> or modifying the old one?
2018-04-14T22:22:26 < zyp> right now I'm just borrowing the tarantula for testing
2018-04-14T22:22:45 < zyp> eventually I figure I'll buy/make some corexy thing
2018-04-14T22:23:35 < zyp> https://e3d-online.com/blog/2018/03/21/tool-changer-q/ <- tempted to pick up this when it's ready, if the price is right
2018-04-14T22:24:02 < branjb> if you spin your own board use the 36 pin version of L6474, the 28 HTSSOP is garbage
2018-04-14T22:24:10 < branjb> the 28 HTSSOP has huge thermal issues
2018-04-14T22:24:47 < zyp> when I spin my own board, I think about trying some trinamic stuff, they are supposed to be good
2018-04-14T22:24:58 < branjb> I love trinamic's drivers
2018-04-14T22:25:00 < branjb> so quiet
2018-04-14T22:25:09 < zyp> that's what I hear
2018-04-14T22:25:38 < branjb> oh I guess steval-3dp001 is using the 28 HTSSOP
2018-04-14T22:26:08 < zyp> yes
2018-04-14T22:26:26 < branjb> they are rated for 3A iirc, but after 1.5A, even heatsinked, the shit would hit thermal shutdown
2018-04-14T22:26:41 < zyp> I haven't noticed any temp rise at all, but I haven't done any extended tests yet either
2018-04-14T22:26:52 < branjb> what current you running them at?
2018-04-14T22:27:09 < branjb> I do like the STM stepper IC's, they have a lot of cool features
2018-04-14T22:27:43 < zyp> dunno, whatever is default
2018-04-14T22:27:54 < branjb> the L6474 can't do it but some of their other ones you don't even need to generate step/dir pulses, you can command it all via SPI
2018-04-14T22:28:20 < zyp> that sounds like pain to sync
2018-04-14T22:28:24 < zyp> step/dir is a lot easier
2018-04-14T22:28:37 < branjb> they have a sync pulse
2018-04-14T22:28:45 < branjb> so you can queue multiple drivers then trigger at once
2018-04-14T22:29:09 < branjb> but yeah accel/decel can be weird
2018-04-14T22:29:17 < jpa-> millisecond-level sync should be quite enough and easy to achieve even with shared SPI bus
2018-04-14T22:30:15 < zyp> still sounds annoying to deal with, for no real gain
2018-04-14T22:31:14 < branjb> I did this with the l6474: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipM5IotFgBT6l1Yma-97Z6p1C0L1rJzNd53D_aT38BuTKbutYyeZDk4Z25czxwla3Q/photo/AF1QipM3LvHNLRT4Rmj_it_4m3RshzzxWn-obuwQg3hu?key=d0F2RDNrTjZPNGNweDhpdXFaemdmOVczQUZKTDB3
2018-04-14T22:31:33 < zyp> cool
2018-04-14T22:31:55 < jadew> zyp, good luck, but remember to give us a big discount when you start selling them
2018-04-14T22:32:07 < zyp> :)
2018-04-14T22:32:47 < jadew> the tool changer allows you to have different colors?
2018-04-14T22:33:04 < jadew> ah, that's what the pictures are suggesting
2018-04-14T22:33:05 < jadew> nice
2018-04-14T22:33:19 < jadew> less wasteful than the multi-head thing from prusa
2018-04-14T22:33:22 < zyp> colors, materials, nozzle sizes, or even the whole tool
2018-04-14T22:33:35 < jadew> nice
2018-04-14T22:33:58 < zyp> and the whole modular head concept goes well along with my «mcu in head» concept
2018-04-14T22:34:25 < zyp> just run power and usb to each head, no matter what features that particular head has
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2018-04-14T23:07:52 < Ecco> Guys, would you mind telling me again how to diagnose a hardfault?
2018-04-14T23:08:04 < zyp> SCB_CFSR
2018-04-14T23:08:06 < Ecco> ok
2018-04-14T23:08:44 < Ecco> x 0xE000ED28
2018-04-14T23:08:47 < Ecco> dang :)
2018-04-14T23:09:10 < Ecco> I've found this too:
2018-04-14T23:09:28 < Ecco> https://gist.github.com/tralamazza/294e45475fce0b8e6c63
2018-04-14T23:10:25 < Ecco> Apparently you can tell what code triggered the fault
2018-04-14T23:10:55 < Ecco> anyway, in my case, (gdb) p/x *0xE000ED28
2018-04-14T23:10:56 < Ecco> $5 = 0x20000
2018-04-14T23:12:15 < Ecco> INVPC
2018-04-14T23:13:32 < Ecco> I quite don't understand what it means though
2018-04-14T23:14:10 < Ecco> what's EXC_RETURN?
2018-04-14T23:16:41 < zyp> magic addr
2018-04-14T23:16:47 < zyp> 0xffffffsomething
2018-04-14T23:17:20 < Ecco> ok
2018-04-14T23:17:23 < zyp> instead of an explicit ISR return instruction, cortex-m ISR return happens by returning to EXC_RETURN addr
2018-04-14T23:17:31 < Ecco> ok
2018-04-14T23:17:37 < zyp> that's why ISRs doesn't need a special ABI
2018-04-14T23:17:49 < Ecco> that's weird though, doesn't use any ISR
2018-04-14T23:18:05 < Ecco> sorry, I accidentaly a word
2018-04-14T23:18:18 < zyp> what's weird?
2018-04-14T23:18:39 < Ecco> My code doesn't use any ISR ever
2018-04-14T23:18:50 < Ecco> so i wonder how a hardfault could happen in an ISR :-/
2018-04-14T23:19:02 < Ecco> Here's what I get in gdb when breaking in the hardfault handler:
2018-04-14T23:19:03 < Ecco> https://pastebin.com/n7mrCpUb
2018-04-14T23:19:34 < zyp> what makes you think you're in an ISR?
2018-04-14T23:19:50 < Ecco> Well, isn't that what the value of SCB_CFSR = 0x20000 mean?
2018-04-14T23:20:02 < Ecco> If I read the doc right, that's INVPC
2018-04-14T23:20:10 < zyp> no, INVSTATE
2018-04-14T23:20:13 < Ecco> oh
2018-04-14T23:20:32 < Ecco> yeah you're right, my bad
2018-04-14T23:20:35 < Ecco> ok makes more sense
2018-04-14T23:20:54 < Ecco> invstate is prety much an instruction that makes no sense, right? (i.e. jumped to some garbage address?)
2018-04-14T23:22:01 < Ecco> anyway, if reading $msp+24 in the hardfault handler does indeed give the address that generated the fault, then I do indeed have a proble
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2018-04-14T23:39:34 < Rickta59> I should have looked at SWO before ... why do they make it seem so complicated, I guess I all I ever read was how you needed a debug probe that could do something with it ... which is flat out wrong
2018-04-14T23:40:08 < Rickta59> that swolisten code from BMP makes it really easy to use with a usb dongle
2018-04-14T23:40:28 < Rickta59> and the UsingSWO document in BMP is very confusing
2018-04-14T23:40:39 < Rickta59> until you understand what is actually going on
2018-04-14T23:41:55 < Rickta59> really nice to be able to spew messages with hardly any overhead
2018-04-14T23:42:57 < Rickta59> seems to work fine even at 4MHz with a cheap ebay pl2303 usb dongle
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2018-04-15T00:17:18 < Ecco> ok, I think I've nailed my bug
2018-04-15T00:17:47 < Ecco> Is it possible that reading recently written Flash memory triggers a HardFault?
2018-04-15T00:18:10 < zyp> have you checked the possibility for cache related stuff?
2018-04-15T00:18:12 < Ecco> (assuming the write routine might be buggy)
2018-04-15T00:18:23 < Ecco> Well, I'm now 99% sure it's a cache issue
2018-04-15T00:18:32 < Ecco> I'd just like to make sure it's really what's happening
2018-04-15T00:18:42 < zyp> that's easy
2018-04-15T00:18:48 < zyp> just turn off the cache
2018-04-15T00:19:01 < zyp> if it still breaks, it's not cache
2018-04-15T00:19:05 < Ecco> well, that's a good idea
2018-04-15T00:19:33 < Ecco> I'm going to do this
2018-04-15T00:19:39 < Ecco> still, could that explain a HardFault?
2018-04-15T00:20:05 < zyp> of course
2018-04-15T00:20:11 < Ecco> becaues I see how that could explain corrupted data, but that's not what's happening
2018-04-15T00:20:14 < Ecco> interesting, how?
2018-04-15T00:20:25 < Ecco> s/interesting/so glad :)
2018-04-15T00:20:31 < zyp> what do you mean by corrupted data?
2018-04-15T00:20:40 < Ecco> well, out-of-sync
2018-04-15T00:20:48 < zyp> out of sync what?
2018-04-15T00:20:50 < Ecco> I'm memcpy-ing data from Flash to RAM
2018-04-15T00:20:57 < zyp> yeah?
2018-04-15T00:21:10 < Ecco> if the cache is buggy, I would expect the RAM to contain some data that isn't really what's in the Flash
2018-04-15T00:21:25 < Ecco> but here, the CPU HardFaults during the memcpy
2018-04-15T00:21:31 < zyp> does this crash happen while executing from ram or executing from flash?
2018-04-15T00:21:37 < Ecco> from Flash
2018-04-15T00:21:53 < zyp> yeah?
2018-04-15T00:22:20 < Ecco> well, from Flash that has been written to a long time ago, so I doubt the cache has anything to do here
2018-04-15T00:22:24 < zyp> you seem to be thinking about the dcache, what do you think happens if you got garbage in the icache?
2018-04-15T00:22:34 < Ecco> yeah, I thought about that
2018-04-15T00:22:39 < Ecco> but here's something even weirder
2018-04-15T00:22:43 < Ecco> if I break before the memcpy
2018-04-15T00:22:50 < Ecco> and just continue
2018-04-15T00:22:52 < Ecco> it works fine
2018-04-15T00:23:33 < Ecco> also I don't believe the icache could be an issue because that Flash area has been written to a long time ago
2018-04-15T00:23:42 < zyp> okay
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2018-04-15T00:23:58 < zyp> which chip did you say this was? f411?
2018-04-15T00:24:03 < Ecco> F412
2018-04-15T00:24:13 < Ecco> (pretty much the same as F411 though)
2018-04-15T00:25:10 < zyp> can you set a breakpoint before that memcpy and get it in that state to check some stuff for me?
2018-04-15T00:25:51 < Ecco> sure
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2018-04-15T00:26:06 < Ecco> I got it right there
2018-04-15T00:26:33 < zyp> x/wx 0x40023c00
2018-04-15T00:26:41 < Ecco> (gdb) x/wx 0x40023c00
2018-04-15T00:26:42 < Ecco> 0x40023c00:     0x00000703
2018-04-15T00:27:11 < Ecco> that's FLASH_ACR, rightr?
2018-04-15T00:27:19 < zyp> yup
2018-04-15T00:27:40 < Ecco> Latency is 3 WS, I'm at 96MHz at 2.8V
2018-04-15T00:28:03 < Ecco> Pfetch, icen,dcen enabled
2018-04-15T00:28:10 < zyp> yup
2018-04-15T00:28:16 < zyp> looks reasonable
2018-04-15T00:28:17 < Ecco> so far so good
2018-04-15T00:28:18 < Ecco> yep
2018-04-15T00:28:55 < Ecco> what is very weird is that simply by breaking before this memcpy, doing nothing, and continue-ing, fixes the bug
2018-04-15T00:29:10 < Ecco> well, "fixes" would be more appropriate
2018-04-15T00:29:28 < Ecco> that memcpy copies the .data section from Flash to RAM
2018-04-15T00:29:37 < zyp> x/3wx 0x40023800
2018-04-15T00:29:46 < Ecco> what's worthy to be noted is that in my linker script the .data sections lives at the end of the firmware
2018-04-15T00:29:56 < Ecco> so that's the very last thing that got written to flash
2018-04-15T00:30:05 < Ecco> (gdb) x/3wx 0x40023800
2018-04-15T00:30:05 < Ecco> 0x40023800:     0x03038080      0x24403019      0x0000100a
2018-04-15T00:30:53 < Ecco> What's this?
2018-04-15T00:31:08 < Ecco> RCC
2018-04-15T00:31:14 < zyp> yes
2018-04-15T00:31:29 < Ecco> CR,PLLCFGR,CFGR
2018-04-15T00:32:40 < zyp> 25MHz crystal?
2018-04-15T00:32:43 < Ecco> yep
2018-04-15T00:32:49 < Ecco> Wow, you're good
2018-04-15T00:32:50 < zyp> okay, looks all reasonable
2018-04-15T00:33:25 < zyp> well, your PLLM is 25
2018-04-15T00:33:38 < Ecco> yeah, I didn't bother too much :)
2018-04-15T00:33:38 < zyp> so if your crystal were anything else I'd be really surprised :p
2018-04-15T00:34:21 < zyp> okay, so it's running all within specs for both speeds and wait states
2018-04-15T00:34:37 < Ecco> as far as I can tell, yes
2018-04-15T00:34:46 < zyp> and which we just reconfirmed
2018-04-15T00:36:44 < zyp> are you certain the crash happens during memcpy?
2018-04-15T00:36:53 < Ecco> yes, positive
2018-04-15T00:37:02 < Ecco> I set a breakpoint right before the jump, it's called
2018-04-15T00:37:06 < Ecco> one right after, it's never called
2018-04-15T00:37:26 < zyp> how did you set the breakpoint right after?
2018-04-15T00:37:38 < Ecco> layout disass in gdb
2018-04-15T00:37:40 < Ecco> picked the address
2018-04-15T00:37:44 < zyp> good
2018-04-15T00:37:44 < Ecco> hbreak *0xaddress
2018-04-15T00:38:06 < zyp> then I don't need you to do that :)
2018-04-15T00:38:13 < Ecco> :)
2018-04-15T00:38:32 < zyp> the memcpy is a plain call? bl <memcpy>?
2018-04-15T00:38:39 < Ecco> H+>│0x8031ace <start()+10>  bl     0x8025994 <memcpy>                                                                                                                                                    │
2018-04-15T00:38:55 < Ecco> yup
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2018-04-15T00:39:31 < Ecco> note: my memcpy implementation is dumb/stupid, just a byte-per-byte copy
2018-04-15T00:39:41 < Ecco> it should be correct though
2018-04-15T00:39:44 < zyp> oh, you wrote your own
2018-04-15T00:39:59 < zyp> mind pastebinning both the memcpy and the function calling it?
2018-04-15T00:40:08 < Ecco> no of course not
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2018-04-15T00:40:54 < Ecco> https://pastebin.com/bKDygCnV
2018-04-15T00:40:58 < Ecco> Here's memcpy, C and assembly
2018-04-15T00:42:29 < Thorn> how do I seed my rng on f0
2018-04-15T00:42:51 < Ecco> caller: https://pastebin.com/LtNhLHcG
2018-04-15T00:43:05 < Ecco> (that's the entry point)
2018-04-15T00:47:48 < zyp> x/wx 0xe0042000
2018-04-15T00:47:59 < Ecco> 0xe0042000:     0x30006441
2018-04-15T00:48:57 < zyp> okay, so you have rev C, which fixed that flash errata
2018-04-15T00:49:00 < zyp> so it's not that either
2018-04-15T00:49:07 < zyp> (2.1.7 in the errata sheet)
2018-04-15T00:49:13 < Ecco> oh, interesting!
2018-04-15T00:50:13 < zyp> it has a wonderful workaround
2018-04-15T00:50:15 < zyp> «Do not perform sector erase on sectors 5 to 11.»
2018-04-15T00:50:37 < zyp> which basically means, don't rewrite sectors 5-11 without erasing entire chip
2018-04-15T00:50:44 < Ecco> indeed
2018-04-15T00:50:50 < zyp> but again, only on rev Z, so it doesn't apply
2018-04-15T00:51:18 < zyp> and I don't see anything else in the errata sheet it could be
2018-04-15T00:51:33 < zyp> just all the common things all the stm32s have which doesn't matter in practice
2018-04-15T00:52:08 < Ecco> ok
2018-04-15T00:52:23 < Ecco> It's an interesting read though, thanks for pointing that doc out
2018-04-15T00:56:24 < Ecco> I'm re-reading the datasheet about Flash cache
2018-04-15T00:56:31 < Ecco> If a Flash memory write access concerns some data in the data cache, the Flash write access modifies the data in the Flash memory and the data in the cache.
2018-04-15T00:56:57 < Ecco> ok, that's easy, and the good part: if you write to flash, DCache is updated. Good.
2018-04-15T00:57:12 < Ecco> Now I don't clearly understand the second paragraph
2018-04-15T00:57:13 < Ecco> If an erase operation in Flash memory also concerns data in the data or instruction cache, you have to make sure that these data are rewritten before they are accessed during code execution. If this cannot be done safely, it is recommended to flush the caches by setting the DCRST and ICRST bits in the FLASH_CR register.
2018-04-15T00:59:15 < Ecco> Meh, it's probably not a cache issue :(
2018-04-15T00:59:25 < Ecco> If I "set {int}0x40023c00 = 0x3"
2018-04-15T00:59:42 < Ecco> and then perform the DFU flash
2018-04-15T00:59:48 < Ecco> it still crashes
2018-04-15T01:09:45 < Ecco> If I let the error happen by just breaking on the HardFault handler
2018-04-15T01:09:50 < Ecco> here's what I get
2018-04-15T01:10:05 < Rob235> woo, finally got movement on my plotter
2018-04-15T01:10:10 < Ecco> https://pastebin.com/uFTTQVZZ
2018-04-15T01:10:29 < Rob235> glorious day
2018-04-15T01:11:27 < Rob235> time to work on the rpi so I can have more control than a single push button
2018-04-15T01:20:43 < Ecco> What's weird is that supposedly, when hardfaulting, the PC was 0x20000000, start of RAM
2018-04-15T01:20:55 < Ecco> if I hbreak *0x20000000, it never breaks
2018-04-15T01:27:11 < Ecco> oh, it's not really a hardfault, it's a forced hardfault
2018-04-15T01:32:43 < Ecco> Could this error happen because an ISR is set to zero?
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2018-04-15T01:41:01 < Ecco> or maybe I just happen to jump to 0x20000000 and indeed, that's an even address
2018-04-15T01:50:04 < zyp> jumping to any even address will fault with INVSTATE
2018-04-15T01:51:55 < Ecco> yep
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2018-04-15T01:52:37 < Ecco> what would pop{r4, pc} do?
2018-04-15T01:52:55 < Ecco> increment sp by 8 I assume
2018-04-15T01:53:07 < Ecco> but when is the data read? Before or after incrementing?
2018-04-15T01:53:29 < Ecco> is that r4 = *sp++; pc = *sp++?
2018-04-15T02:02:01 < Laurenceb___> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JLENS
2018-04-15T02:02:10 < Laurenceb___> dey stole my idea and travelled back in tiem
2018-04-15T02:02:31 < Laurenceb___> https://i.imgur.com/0Vyn6Mh.jpg
2018-04-15T02:07:33 < Laurenceb___> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_Institute_for_Applied_Sciences_and_Technology
2018-04-15T02:07:38 < Laurenceb___> ^the missile target
2018-04-15T02:07:41 < Laurenceb___> lulwut
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2018-04-15T02:18:11 < stvn> 🐘
2018-04-15T02:42:46 < Laurenceb___> raheeeeeeemmmmm
2018-04-15T02:43:30 < Laurenceb___> >Britebart is run by a muslim
2018-04-15T02:43:58 < Laurenceb___> this timeline...
2018-04-15T02:53:25 < Laurenceb___>  4d chess innit
2018-04-15T03:17:32 < stvn> alright muscles
2018-04-15T03:17:37 < stvn> what are you talking about today
2018-04-15T03:17:55 < stvn> give me the laurenceb to aussie translation mate
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2018-04-15T04:15:43 < Laurenceb___> wew bbc news right now
2018-04-15T04:16:00 < Laurenceb___> >show footage of "cruise missile attack"
2018-04-15T04:16:10 < Laurenceb___> >its clearly a successful shootdown
2018-04-15T04:16:15 < Laurenceb___> impressive tbh
2018-04-15T04:16:27 < Laurenceb___> looks like Russians are telling the truth
2018-04-15T04:20:11 < Laurenceb___> oh god
2018-04-15T04:20:13 < Laurenceb___> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=42978.3200
2018-04-15T04:20:20 < Laurenceb___> these guys dont know when to quit
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2018-04-15T05:35:11 < stvn> yeah
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2018-04-15T07:12:29 < Rob235> node server setup with web sockets for sending raw commands, just gotta set up SPI tomorrow to send the command to the stm32
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2018-04-15T08:31:55 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gWNkTNnCFc
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2018-04-15T11:46:56 < psprint_> will wireless usb numeric keyboard work? I mean it should, if I find proper PID/VID, but based on experience, will it work?
2018-04-15T11:47:44 < Steffanx> Will what work?
2018-04-15T11:49:13 < psprint_> receiving keypresses from the keyboard by a rtos thread in stm, having kb connected to stm's USB
2018-04-15T11:50:01 < Steffanx> If your stm32 does usb host, you might get it to work.
2018-04-15T11:50:40 < psprint_> An example here says it's device mode, HID, it uses cubemx middleware: https://notes.iopush.net/stm32-custom-usb-hid-step-by-step-2/
2018-04-15T11:51:18 < Steffanx> But in your case the keyboard is the device.
2018-04-15T11:51:33 < Steffanx> In that example the stm32 is the "device"
2018-04-15T11:51:37 < psprint_> I know it's like host <-> device but in the text it's "pushing" towards device actually
2018-04-15T11:51:50 < psprint_> hmm
2018-04-15T11:51:52 < psprint_> ah
2018-04-15T11:52:00 < psprint_> the example is probably doing keyboard from stm32
2018-04-15T11:52:16 < psprint_> that's why it says about customizing device identification PID/VID
2018-04-15T11:52:40 < Steffanx> Affirmative.
2018-04-15T11:54:56 < psprint_> implementing host is probably much complicated
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2018-04-15T11:59:22 < psprint_> well I'll give it a try, USB middleware has "Human Interface Host Class (HID)", so it's like adapted for keyboards
2018-04-15T12:14:43 < stvn> i like stm32 club
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2018-04-15T12:45:27 < stvn> [][][]
2018-04-15T13:00:52 < Steffanx> What is that mr stvn?
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2018-04-15T14:47:08 < psprint_> I have a problem with uart serial communication, through virtual-com on USB. I receive data (7 or 8 bits data, 1 stop bit, parity odd), however if it contains space, then following character gets overwritten by next data, also newline gets overwritten, so 2 lines are connected. What can be wrong?
2018-04-15T14:53:06 < dongs> wut
2018-04-15T14:53:12 < dongs> what could be wrong: your code is shit
2018-04-15T14:53:15 < dongs> adn is doing stuff to the data
2018-04-15T14:55:14 < psprint_> ok, found, you are overall right
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2018-04-15T15:25:52 < catphish> weird question, is there any easy way to load code directly from a PC rather than loading it into flash?
2018-04-15T15:27:21 < catphish> i'm guessing this is possible, but that there isn't a trivial interface to do so?
2018-04-15T15:30:50 < Steffanx> load it into ram? :)
2018-04-15T15:32:35 < catphish> well that was my thought, i support it's entirely possible to load code into ram and set it executing, using the debugger, or a custom bootloader
2018-04-15T15:33:32 < catphish> just a passing thought as i sometimes have a rather excessively iterative development / debug process
2018-04-15T15:33:59 < Steffanx> The reason you ask is flash wear?
2018-04-15T15:35:12 < dongs> no i think the reason hes asking is hes using a shitty slow debug probe
2018-04-15T15:35:21 < dongs> and flash/run takes forever
2018-04-15T15:36:25 < Steffanx> zyp is awake/around?
2018-04-15T15:38:56 < zyp> sup?
2018-04-15T15:42:02 < Steffanx> Was garbage collecting my tabs and came across your block generating code again. And read it a bit. It's all basic physics/algebra, but one part my physics/algebra-mind failed it understand (although its probably basic algebra):
2018-04-15T15:42:13 < Steffanx> v_max = np.minimum(v_max, np.sqrt(v_start**2 / 2 + v_end**2 / 2 + ds * a_max)) <= Where does sqrt(...) come from?
2018-04-15T15:42:25 < dongs> block generating?
2018-04-15T15:42:34 < Steffanx> Yes, segments he sends to his 3d printer.
2018-04-15T15:42:38 < dongs> oh that.
2018-04-15T15:44:18 < zyp> Steffanx, hang on, let me check how I derived that
2018-04-15T15:44:25 < catphish> Steffanx: yes, i was worried about flash wear
2018-04-15T15:44:31 < Steffanx> dont do that catphish
2018-04-15T15:44:45 < Steffanx> just think about the time you have to spend on that before it wears out.
2018-04-15T15:44:53 < Steffanx> it's easier to buy a nice chip when you do :P
2018-04-15T15:45:53 < catphish> well right now i'm using nucleo boards, so meh, i can just replace them, if i ever start soldering chips myself, wearing them out might be an annoyance, probably won't happen, but wondered if there was an easy way to avoid it
2018-04-15T15:46:06 < dongs> wont happen trust me
2018-04-15T15:46:26 < catphish> ok :)
2018-04-15T15:49:55 < zyp> Steffanx, if v_start and v_end are both zero, the expression reduces to sqrt(ds * a_max), ds is mm moved, a_max is acceleration in mm/s^2, so you're left with sqrt([mm] * [mm/s^2]) = sqrt([mm^2/s^2]) = [mm/s]
2018-04-15T15:53:46 < zyp> it's been a year or so since I originally did the first equations here, so I don't remember all the details, but I think it's basically some pythagoras stuff
2018-04-15T15:54:33 < zyp> imagine a speed graph, you've got constant acceleration, so the speed is a straight line
2018-04-15T15:54:48 < zyp> or something :)
2018-04-15T15:56:31 < Steffanx> hmm, whokay :P
2018-04-15T16:00:41 < sync> yes
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2018-04-15T16:21:35 < Steffanx> yes what sync?
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2018-04-15T16:29:27 < sync> that the math is correct Steffanx
2018-04-15T16:29:39 < Steffanx> oh, im sure it is, but ...
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2018-04-15T16:30:52 < Laurenceb___> the absolute state of these guys
2018-04-15T16:30:54 < Laurenceb___> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/assets/42978.0/1487211.jpg
2018-04-15T16:31:05 < Laurenceb___> no prize for spotting whats wrong
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2018-04-15T16:33:06 < zyp> Steffanx, given a constant a, v = ∫a = t * a + v0, s = ∫v = t**2 * 2a + t * v0 + s0
2018-04-15T16:33:16 < Ecco> Do tracepoints work on STM32 using gdb + openocd?
2018-04-15T16:34:01 < zyp> Steffanx, the sqrt might be coming from the quadratic equation
2018-04-15T16:46:30 < Laurenceb___> 4d chess
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2018-04-15T16:46:52 < Steffanx> yes ( except for the 2a => 1/2a). I mainly fail to understand where the v_start**2 / 2 + v_end**2 / 2  came from zyp. it's probably very obvious, but i fail in obvious things :P
2018-04-15T16:47:04 < Laurenceb___> https://www.gofundme.com/erinfreakfund
2018-04-15T16:48:55 < Steffanx> nah, i'll go back to physics 101 class :P
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2018-04-15T17:30:31 < Ecco> I'm still on the same bug. From what I've gathered, the issue seems to be coming from jumping to some Flash memory I've only very recently writtent o
2018-04-15T17:30:34 < Ecco> writtent o
2018-04-15T17:30:37 < Ecco> argh
2018-04-15T17:30:38 < Ecco> written to
2018-04-15T17:30:42 < Ecco> does that ring a bell?
2018-04-15T17:31:18 < Ecco> (knowing that the bug is still there if I set FLASH_ACR to 0x3 before doing any flash access, 0x3 being 3WS because the CPU is at 96 MHz, which is within the specs)
2018-04-15T17:31:38 < Ecco> (I mean, supposedly all Flash cache has been disabled)
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2018-04-15T17:45:27 < jpa-> Ecco: supposedly? have you actually checked FLASH->ACR to verify that the cache is disabled?
2018-04-15T17:45:40 < Ecco> yes
2018-04-15T17:45:41 < jpa-> ah
2018-04-15T17:45:42 < Ecco> it is
2018-04-15T17:45:47 < jpa-> missed that part
2018-04-15T17:45:58 < Ecco> I can triple check
2018-04-15T17:46:31 < jpa-> (i suppose the code you jump to might re-enable it, but then you'd see the value has changed)
2018-04-15T17:48:03 < Ecco> well, it doesn't even have time to re-enable it
2018-04-15T17:48:08 < Ecco> it crashes super early
2018-04-15T17:49:38 < jpa-> have you tried stepping through the jump etc. with    display /i $pc  and   stepi   
2018-04-15T17:49:54 < jpa-> with "info registers" sprinkled there when relevant :P
2018-04-15T17:49:59 < Ecco> well, here's what happen: as soon as I break, the bug vanishes
2018-04-15T17:50:25 < jpa-> sounds nice
2018-04-15T17:50:29 < Ecco> Indeed :-D
2018-04-15T17:50:53 < jpa-> not sure if even ETM trace would help much there
2018-04-15T17:50:55 < Ecco> I just reconfirmed, crash happens with all flash caches disabled
2018-04-15T17:51:01 < jpa-> what are the hardfault info?
2018-04-15T17:51:12 < Ecco> It's a jump to a bad address (even)
2018-04-15T17:51:16 < Ecco> and it's true
2018-04-15T17:51:18 < Ecco> here's the code:
2018-04-15T17:51:37 < Ecco> https://pastebin.com/c59rrapk
2018-04-15T17:51:48 < Ecco> That's the "start" I'm jumping to after flashing the device
2018-04-15T17:51:59 < Ecco> crash occurs somewhere in the "memcpy" block
2018-04-15T17:52:25 < Ecco> I can break at 0x8025994, where memcpy lives. Breakpoint is hit. Everything is normal. Continue-ing fixes the bug :-/
2018-04-15T17:52:26 < jpa-> what does "disas 0x08025994"  look like? what about   x /16xw $sp     after the crash?
2018-04-15T17:52:47 < Ecco> One more info:
2018-04-15T17:53:00 < Ecco> the crash happens because supposedly a jump to 0x20000000 is made (start of RAM)
2018-04-15T17:53:07 < Ecco> it happens to be the first parameter I pass to memcpy
2018-04-15T17:53:17 < Ecco> (set by the first line in the start routine)
2018-04-15T17:53:40 < Ecco> as you can see, the 0x2000000 value is fetched from flash
2018-04-15T17:53:54 < Ecco> I tried replacing this value by 0x20030100 in the firmware and flashed this
2018-04-15T17:54:10 < Ecco> -> I do get a hardfault saying thet I jumped to 0x200301000
2018-04-15T17:54:22 < Ecco> so apparently, at some point, the code jumps to the first parameter passed to memcpy
2018-04-15T17:54:27 < Ecco> now lemme try your commands
2018-04-15T17:56:47 < jpa-> hmm, if your device is STM32F412 revision Z, errata sheet mentions that sector erase doesn't work properly and you need to use mass erase
2018-04-15T17:57:03 < Ecco> we checked that with zyp already
2018-04-15T17:57:08 < jpa-> ok, good :)
2018-04-15T17:57:15 < Ecco> :)
2018-04-15T17:59:14 < Ecco> Maybe I could double-check this
2018-04-15T18:00:36 < jpa-> have you checked PWR->CR VOS bits also?
2018-04-15T18:00:44 < Ecco> nope
2018-04-15T18:01:35 < jpa-> the reset default has it set to scale 2 which limits allowed speed to 84MHz
2018-04-15T18:01:52 < Ecco> oh
2018-04-15T18:02:02 < Ecco> Never ever touched this, and the MCU is running at 96MHz
2018-04-15T18:02:19 < jpa-> usually the setup code that raises cpu speed also sets VOS bits
2018-04-15T18:02:33 < Ecco> ok, I didn't do this
2018-04-15T18:02:46 < jpa-> (it has to be set before PLL is enabled)
2018-04-15T18:03:24 < Ecco> I'm reading the datasheet, and I quite don't understand what this value is about
2018-04-15T18:03:31 < Ecco> Also, how could it explain that bug?
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2018-04-15T18:04:19 < jpa-> the cpu has internal regulator that supplies power to cpu core and i think also the flash area; VOS bits set the voltage of this regulator; if the voltage is too small, the CPU won't work fast enough for >84MHz operation and may corrupt random bits
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2018-04-15T18:04:31 < Ecco> oh
2018-04-15T18:04:49 < Ecco> Would it make sense that the bug never showed until we wrote to flash?
2018-04-15T18:05:02 < Ecco> Also, what's weird is that resetting the device works well
2018-04-15T18:05:13 < Ecco> so I believe the Flash is correctly written to
2018-04-15T18:05:18 < jpa-> yeah, it is weird
2018-04-15T18:05:21 < Ecco> but jumping crashes
2018-04-15T18:05:35 < jpa-> i've usually had the cpu crash very quickly after raising PLL if i forget to set VOS bits
2018-04-15T18:05:41 < Ecco> ok
2018-04-15T18:05:47 < jpa-> but worth checking anyway
2018-04-15T18:05:54 < Ecco> sure
2018-04-15T18:05:58 < Ecco> I'm going to give this a try
2018-04-15T18:09:10 < Ecco> Hmm, setting this register from gdb doesn't seem to work
2018-04-15T18:09:15 < Ecco> (gdb) set {int}0x40007000=0xC000
2018-04-15T18:09:15 < Ecco> (gdb) x 0x40007000
2018-04-15T18:09:15 < Ecco> 0x40007000:	0x00008000
2018-04-15T18:11:21 < jpa-> it can only be written to before the PLL is enabled
2018-04-15T18:11:38 < Ecco> yeah, but supposedly I'm doing this before
2018-04-15T18:16:41 < Ecco> Ok, bug is still there
2018-04-15T18:16:52 < Ecco> (Thank you though, clearly VOS wasn't set properly)
2018-04-15T18:17:24 < jpa-> what is the situation with the jump, does it always crash after the jump or randomly? and does it always work from reboot or randomly?
2018-04-15T18:18:19 < Ecco> always in both cases
2018-04-15T18:18:41 < Ecco> That's the only nice thing about this bug, at least it's a 100% reproducible
2018-04-15T18:18:57 < jpa-> if you break before the jump, and continue, does it still crash?
2018-04-15T18:19:50 < Ecco> yep
2018-04-15T18:20:46 < Ecco> huh, sorry
2018-04-15T18:20:49 < Ecco> no, it fixes the bug
2018-04-15T18:21:14 < Ecco> oh wait
2018-04-15T18:21:19 < Ecco> no sorry, bug is still here
2018-04-15T18:21:32 < Ecco> If I break before the jump, the bug is still there
2018-04-15T18:21:57 < Ecco> If I break in RAM where I do the 'set_msp' and such, and hit continue, crash is still there
2018-04-15T18:22:39 < Ecco> I'm going to disassemble the memcpy before jumping
2018-04-15T18:25:08 < jpa-> could you do this:    1) break before the jump    2) display /i $pc   3) stepi until you are at the jump instruction   4) info registers        and post the log; i'd like to see that stack pointer etc. state seems sane
2018-04-15T18:25:29 < Ecco> sure
2018-04-15T18:25:38 < Ecco> ok, I guess it's definitely not a cache issue
2018-04-15T18:25:42 < Ecco> I break before the jump
2018-04-15T18:25:54 < Ecco> disass the new "start" routine and the new "memcpy" routine, both are OK
2018-04-15T18:26:01 < Ecco> now doing your suggestion
2018-04-15T18:28:11 < Ecco> https://pastebin.com/mBcHNfEW
2018-04-15T18:28:13 < Ecco> Here you go
2018-04-15T18:28:31 < Ecco> Don't mind the symbol names, they're wrong (I lazied-out on doing yet another symbol-file command)
2018-04-15T18:28:37 < jpa-> if, for fun, you continue with stepi and hold down enter so that it just keeps running, will it crash?
2018-04-15T18:28:48 < jpa-> ok
2018-04-15T18:28:54 < Ecco> might as well try it
2018-04-15T18:29:20 < Ecco> (well, I have a large-ish memcpy to do…)
2018-04-15T18:29:35 < Ecco> but well, continue just works anyway
2018-04-15T18:29:46 < jpa-> ok
2018-04-15T18:29:52 < Ecco> oh, no it didn't
2018-04-15T18:29:52 < Ecco> wait
2018-04-15T18:29:56 < Ecco> lemme do this all over again
2018-04-15T18:32:21 < jpa-> hmm, line 37 in that log looks weird; on line 25 you load the new stack pointer, but on line 37 you load r4 and lr from the new stack, so it seems your stack pointer will change from what it should be
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2018-04-15T18:33:21 < Ecco> indeed
2018-04-15T18:33:51 < Ecco> But supposedly we removed 8 from the value before
2018-04-15T18:33:58 < Ecco> so before the jump, sp is 0x20040000
2018-04-15T18:34:02 < Ecco> which is the end of RAM
2018-04-15T18:34:33 < jpa-> what does    x /1xw 0x0000   say?
2018-04-15T18:34:33 < Ecco> wait, if the stack pointer is wrong
2018-04-15T18:34:52 < Ecco> 0x2003fff8
2018-04-15T18:35:13 < jpa-> so that is what stack pointer will be after reset.. there will be difference, though 0x20040000 should probably work also
2018-04-15T18:35:23 < Ecco> yep, we arrived on the same conclusion
2018-04-15T18:35:28 < Ecco> we fixed this already, to make sure it's consistent
2018-04-15T18:35:40 < Ecco> but I thought that wouldn't be the cause of the crash
2018-04-15T18:36:16 < Ecco> bl doesn't touch the stack, does it?
2018-04-15T18:36:37 < jpa-> you might want to do the stack pointer setting and jump in a single asm statement, like    asm("msr MSP, %0; bx %1", "r": stackpointer, "r": startaddr : : memory);   or something, but yeah, it's probably not the cause of this problem
2018-04-15T18:37:08 < Ecco> yep
2018-04-15T18:39:13 < jpa-> so hmm, what is    x /1xw 0x0004    i.e. the reset address? the code there seems to get it from some weird place instead of directly from flash
2018-04-15T18:39:53 < Ecco> Why do you say this?
2018-04-15T18:40:45 < jpa-> jump on line 45 is "bx r3"; r3 comes from [r3, #0], where r3 equals 0x20039708
2018-04-15T18:41:16 < Ecco> yeah, true
2018-04-15T18:41:25 < Ecco> compiler shit
2018-04-15T18:41:29 < jpa-> so what would be the value from flash at    0x0004?
2018-04-15T18:41:32 < Ecco> that address contains 0x08000004
2018-04-15T18:41:54 < jpa-> ah, ok
2018-04-15T18:42:36 < Ecco> (gdb) x /1xw 0x0004
2018-04-15T18:42:36 < Ecco> 0x4:	0x08031ac5
2018-04-15T18:42:42 < Ecco> (after flashing)
2018-04-15T18:42:52 < jpa-> yeah, ok
2018-04-15T18:47:15 < jpa-> you could try to find the more exact crash location by setting a breakpoint somewhere (e.g. the memcpy), see if you hit that before the crash; if yes, restart and move the breakpoint further away and retry
2018-04-15T18:47:30 < jpa-> a bit tedious to do but if you are out of ideas.. :P
2018-04-15T18:47:39 < Ecco> yeah I think I'm goig to do this
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2018-04-15T18:52:19 < Laurenceb___> bitches dont know about my plan to gain momentum through quantum foam using my relativistic mass
2018-04-15T18:55:12 < Rob235> someone send me some PLA
2018-04-15T18:56:43 < Rob235> Laurenceb___ are you still jerking off those horses?
2018-04-15T18:57:04 < Laurenceb___> no
2018-04-15T18:57:22 < jpa-> they switched places
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2018-04-15T18:58:13 < Rob235> ;)
2018-04-15T18:58:20 < Rob235> hmm what to do what to do
2018-04-15T18:58:47 < Ecco> how can "stepi" on strb.w  r4, [r3, #1]! jump to another address?
2018-04-15T19:00:33 < jpa-> should only happen if there is interrupt or exception
2018-04-15T19:01:27 < Ecco> how can I tell?
2018-04-15T19:01:49 < jpa-> XPSR lowest bits should be non-zero for interrupt/exception
2018-04-15T19:02:11 < Laurenceb___> https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/apr/15/nitschke-suicide-machine-amsterdam-euthanasia-funeral-fair
2018-04-15T19:02:17 < Laurenceb___> >euthanasia club
2018-04-15T19:02:29 < Ecco> when I stepi, gdb highlights the xPSR register
2018-04-15T19:02:36 < Ecco> I guess that means it got changed
2018-04-15T19:03:12 < jpa-> it changes often because it has flags, but the lowest 8 bits are 0 if you are in normal mode and non-zero if you are in interrupt/exception
2018-04-15T19:12:50 < Ecco> jpa-: https://i.imgur.com/fZR7A7J.mp4
2018-04-15T19:13:44 < zyp> Steffanx, I think it started out as a huge equation and then a bunch of the terms all folded into each other leaving just that
2018-04-15T19:16:51 < Ecco> What the hell is happening there :-/
2018-04-15T19:18:17 < Ecco> Clearly the instruction doesn't work
2018-04-15T19:18:41 < Ecco> strb.w r4, [r3, #1]! should increment r3, right?
2018-04-15T19:18:55 < aandrew> Ecco: what program are you using to get dual windows (disassembly and gdb) in text mode?
2018-04-15T19:18:56 < jpa-> yeah, it should load one byte from r3+1 and increment r3
2018-04-15T19:19:04 < Ecco> antto: gdb
2018-04-15T19:19:05 < jpa-> aandrew: layout asm   or something in gdb
2018-04-15T19:19:06 < Ecco> "layout asm"
2018-04-15T19:19:18 < aandrew> Ahh, interesting. Thanks
2018-04-15T19:19:21 < Ecco> you can also type "layout regs" to get a third pane with the registers
2018-04-15T19:19:33 < jpa-> does x /i 0x80259a4    also show   strb.w   instruction? i don't know whether layout asm takes the data from .elf or from flash directly
2018-04-15T19:19:36 < Ecco> Could you see the video?
2018-04-15T19:19:46 < jpa-> yeah, very weird
2018-04-15T19:20:06 < Ecco> (gdb) x /i 0x80259a4
2018-04-15T19:20:07 < Ecco>    0x80259a4 <memcpy+16>:       strb.w  r4, [r3, #1]!
2018-04-15T19:21:31 < Rob235> https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/15/david-buckel-prominent-new-york-lgbt-lawyer-dies-after-setting-himself-on-fire
2018-04-15T19:22:04 < jpa-> uh.. something really weird is happening there because the pc is 0x80259a2 at one point which would be in the middle of 32-bit thumb instruction which shouldn't happen
2018-04-15T19:22:21 < Ecco> indeed
2018-04-15T19:22:38 < Ecco> gdb gets confused too
2018-04-15T19:23:32 < jpa-> so, is this still only happening when you upgrade from old firmware to new firmware? what kind of instructions are there at 0x80259a2 in the old firmware?
2018-04-15T19:23:47 < Ecco> yes, still only happens in that case
2018-04-15T19:25:22 < Rickta59> I thought you were supposed to be running your code from ram?
2018-04-15T19:25:26 < Ecco>  80259a2:	d0f5      	beq.n	8025990 <memcmp+0x6>
2018-04-15T19:25:37 < Ecco> Rickta59: just the flashing routine
2018-04-15T19:26:06 < Ecco> https://pastebin.com/Ls8jWp7D
2018-04-15T19:26:09 < Rickta59> so this is after you have copied the old to new and after you have done a reset to use the new code?
2018-04-15T19:27:03 < Ecco> not a reset, a jump
2018-04-15T19:27:12 < Ecco> If Id o a reset, the new code works just fine
2018-04-15T19:27:12 < jpa-> Ecco: hmm.. the video kind of matches that old code
2018-04-15T19:27:26 < Ecco> oh
2018-04-15T19:27:55 < Ecco> You mean the registers/behavior matches what would happen if the old code was being interpreted?
2018-04-15T19:28:10 < jpa-> yeah
2018-04-15T19:28:29 < Ecco> Interesting
2018-04-15T19:28:35 < Rickta59> did you load the new symbols into gdb after you jumped?
2018-04-15T19:28:39 < jpa-> ..a2, ..a4, ..a6, and after that it returns, just like ..a6 does in old code
2018-04-15T19:28:54 < Steffanx> Hah ok, zyp. I'll look into it a bit more, cant handle the not knowing.
2018-04-15T19:29:08 < Steffanx> but not today
2018-04-15T19:30:05 < Ecco> Rickta59: I'm not even looking at the symbols :-/
2018-04-15T19:30:12 < Rickta59> k
2018-04-15T19:32:11 < jpa-> and before ..a4  subs r0, r3, r4,     r3=0x1fffffff and r4=0x08031ac5, and after that r0 = 0x17fce53a   which matches r3-r4
2018-04-15T19:32:58 < Ecco> yet the beginning seems to be doing the right instructions
2018-04-15T19:33:14 < Ecco> for example, 0x8025998: add r2,r1
2018-04-15T19:35:18 < jpa-> can you check in the debugger what    x /1xw 0x40023C00   gives at that point?
2018-04-15T19:35:37 < Ecco> (gdb) x /1xw 0x40023C00
2018-04-15T19:35:37 < Ecco> 0x40023c00:     0x00000703
2018-04-15T19:35:47 < Ecco> That's to be expected though
2018-04-15T19:36:03 < Ecco> The original firmware has caches enabled
2018-04-15T19:36:12 < Ecco> I made a special build to disable them
2018-04-15T19:36:16 < Ecco> and the bug was still there
2018-04-15T19:36:20 < Ecco> s/build/run
2018-04-15T19:36:26 < Ecco> disabled the cache from GDB
2018-04-15T19:36:32 < jpa-> maybe you have two bugs..
2018-04-15T19:36:35 < Ecco> oh
2018-04-15T19:36:43 < jpa-> but this bug here seems like a cache bug and you have caches enabled
2018-04-15T19:36:44 < Ecco> That's interesting
2018-04-15T19:36:49 < Ecco> indeed it does
2018-04-15T19:37:08 < Ecco> ok, I'll permanently disable caches
2018-04-15T19:37:10 < jpa-> i don't want to scare you too much, but sometimes you might even have three bugs at once!
2018-04-15T19:37:30 < jpa-> nah, just fix your bootloader so that it disables, resets and re-enables them after flashing
2018-04-15T19:37:49 < Ecco> I could do that too
2018-04-15T19:37:59 < Ecco> I'm just trying to make the smallest modification for now
2018-04-15T19:38:04 < Ecco> jsut to see if the bug is still there
2018-04-15T19:38:57 < Rickta59> isn't there an isb and dmb instuction to flush instruction and data cache?
2018-04-15T19:39:31 < Ecco> yeah, I've seen that hanging around too, but I also read that Cortex-M don't have such caches
2018-04-15T19:39:49 < Rickta59> the m0 doesn't i think m3/m4 .. etc do
2018-04-15T19:40:32 < Rickta59> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dai0321a/BIHBJEAF.html
2018-04-15T19:41:26 < Ecco> The Cortex-M3 and Cortex-M4 processors can pre-fetch up to six instructions.
2018-04-15T19:41:28 < Ecco> Interesting
2018-04-15T19:41:41 < Ecco> That could indeed be the root problem
2018-04-15T19:41:43 < Ecco> Another problem:
2018-04-15T19:41:49 < Ecco> Probably unrelated:
2018-04-15T19:42:05 < Rickta59> maybe you need to just have a routine that runs a bunch of instructions that don't do anything from someplace else
2018-04-15T19:42:06 < Ecco> Is there anything special needed to set the VOS in PWR?
2018-04-15T19:42:31 < Ecco> Also, does disabling the Flash Cache from GDB work?
2018-04-15T19:42:47 < Ecco> -> If I rebuild the firmware and disalbe all flash caches, the bug vanishes
2018-04-15T19:43:01 < Ecco> -> If I keep it as-is, and disable the caches by setting FLASH_ACR from gdb, the bug is still here
2018-04-15T19:44:00 < Rickta59> * it was dsb not dmb
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2018-04-15T19:58:53 < branjb> https://learn.adafruit.com/welcome-to-circuitpython
2018-04-15T19:59:03 < Laurenceb___> my sides
2018-04-15T19:59:21 < Laurenceb___> lel its real
2018-04-15T19:59:33  * Laurenceb___ is looking at satellite shots of syria missile shootdowns
2018-04-15T19:59:57 < Rickta59> that woman is obessed with branding everything she touches ... kind of like a cat marking
2018-04-15T19:59:58 < Laurenceb___> maybe I should become an e-celeb and make videos debunking murican propoganda
2018-04-15T20:00:13 < branjb> lol
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2018-04-15T20:00:20 < branjb> what kind of missiles were shot?
2018-04-15T20:00:26 < Laurenceb___> you can see shot down tomahawks at Homs site
2018-04-15T20:00:38 < Laurenceb___> also french cruise missiles got shot down
2018-04-15T20:00:40 < Steffanx> You'll instantly meme-ified.
2018-04-15T20:00:45 < Steffanx> *be
2018-04-15T20:00:48 < Laurenceb___> cant find much info on the french thing...
2018-04-15T20:01:32 < branjb> was it tomahawks that were shot?
2018-04-15T20:01:41 < Rickta59> I think the guardian already beat you to the prize Laurenceb___ Russia says  71 of 103 were shot down
2018-04-15T20:02:02 < Laurenceb___> https://imgoat.com/uploads/0935e4cd59/105055.jpg
2018-04-15T20:02:11 < branjb> lol
2018-04-15T20:02:12 < Laurenceb___> at first I was dubious due to the nozzle ratio
2018-04-15T20:02:25 < Laurenceb___> but actually it seems to match with French cruise missile
2018-04-15T20:03:52 < Laurenceb___> http://www.mbda-systems.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/MdCN-19.023-256x144.jpg
2018-04-15T20:03:56 < Laurenceb___> its an MdCN
2018-04-15T20:04:20 < Steffanx> is it?
2018-04-15T20:04:46 < Laurenceb___> maybe...
2018-04-15T20:04:55 < branjb> Rickta59: did that cat lady actually create circuitpython or just steal it and rebrand?
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2018-04-15T20:05:08 < Laurenceb___> no photos of production MdCN
2018-04-15T20:05:55 < Rickta59> to me it seems that her normal mode of operation is the grab some OSS and make some minor changes to it while renaming it
2018-04-15T20:06:01 < Rickta59> i'm guessing this is the same
2018-04-15T20:06:15 < Ecco> CircuitPython == MicroPython + a few GC patches
2018-04-15T20:06:21 < branjb> lol
2018-04-15T20:06:28 < Ecco> I guess they just wanted to justify changing the name :)
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2018-04-15T20:06:36 < Rickta59> adafruit grabbed the libmaple stuff ... ripped off all the original copyright and then used a slightly modified version for the stm32f205
2018-04-15T20:06:52 < branjb> https://www.adafruit.com/about
2018-04-15T20:07:14 < branjb> she looks like all the annoying people i have ever worked with rolled into one
2018-04-15T20:07:20 < Steffanx> All pics of the MdCN on google images have 3 fins, that thing with the kid has 4, mr Laurenceb___
2018-04-15T20:07:21 < Rickta59> exactly
2018-04-15T20:07:26 < Rickta59> exactly branjb
2018-04-15T20:07:51 < branjb> 100+ employees is interesting though
2018-04-15T20:08:00 < Rickta59> https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_WICED_Arduino
2018-04-15T20:08:06 < Steffanx> 1 in new york, others are virtual or from india
2018-04-15T20:08:09 < branjb> lol
2018-04-15T20:08:10 < Rickta59> that is basically libmaple and maple arduino stuff
2018-04-15T20:08:11 < Steffanx> you can hire 99 indians easily.
2018-04-15T20:08:18 < Laurenceb___> ah
2018-04-15T20:08:19 < Rickta59> but you see no mention of libmaple ...
2018-04-15T20:08:21 < Laurenceb___> its stage 1 of this
2018-04-15T20:08:23 < Laurenceb___> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2K12_Kub#/media/File:2P25_VS_2.jpg
2018-04-15T20:08:34 < Rickta59> but it has a new nice name ... Adafruit WICED
2018-04-15T20:08:41 < Rickta59> but it has a new nice name ... Adafruit WICED Feather
2018-04-15T20:08:44 < Steffanx> that looks more like it.
2018-04-15T20:10:08 < branjb> Adafruit is a 100% woman owned company
2018-04-15T20:10:36 < Rickta59> i guess Phil is just there to server
2018-04-15T20:10:38 < Rickta59> i guess Phil is just there to serve
2018-04-15T20:11:29 < Steffanx> Lol what are you doing Rickta5
2018-04-15T20:11:31 < Steffanx> Lol what are you doing Rickta59
2018-04-15T20:11:40 < branjb> their LoRa feathers are decent for prototyping though
2018-04-15T20:11:41 < Rickta59> my return key has a hair trigger
2018-04-15T20:11:43 < branjb> i used them last year
2018-04-15T20:12:21 < branjb> is ladyada an engineer or business person?
2018-04-15T20:14:42 < Ecco> neither? :p
2018-04-15T20:14:46 < Rickta59> she graduated from MIT
2018-04-15T20:14:48 < Ecco> just kidding
2018-04-15T20:14:49 < branjb> or sjw figurehead
2018-04-15T20:15:01 < Laurenceb___> she is jewish
2018-04-15T20:15:09 < Rickta59> but she seems like she is more tuned to doing business
2018-04-15T20:15:42 < branjb> i'm curious if there is any gamergate esque backstory
2018-04-15T20:15:45 < Rickta59> i think it is friggen presumptuous to call yourself lady ada
2018-04-15T20:16:04 < branjb> since it was around the same time period
2018-04-15T20:16:25 < Rickta59> she blogged a bunch about the projects she was doing while a student at MIT .. which morphed into adafruit ..
2018-04-15T20:16:38 < branjb> it says it's been around since 2006 but i don't really remember it existing more than 7 or 8 years ago
2018-04-15T20:17:06 < Rickta59> and she paired up with Phil Torrone a former hackaday founder / author for Make Magazine
2018-04-15T20:17:28 < branjb> hackaday is garbage these days
2018-04-15T20:17:42 < Steffanx> Didnt she do this failed VR thing?
2018-04-15T20:18:08 < Rickta59> I think early on Limpor was selling an ISP programmer based on someone elses design
2018-04-15T20:18:11 < Rickta59> for avrs
2018-04-15T20:18:20 < Rickta59> no that is Jerri .. the failed vr thing
2018-04-15T20:18:31 < Steffanx> oh, yeah. Same thing though :P
2018-04-15T20:19:02 < Rickta59> Jeri .. sorry https://www.youtube.com/user/jeriellsworth
2018-04-15T20:21:19 < Rickta59> 2006 adafruit was selling pov kits
2018-04-15T20:21:22 < Rickta59> https://web.archive.org/web/20051204025136/https://www.adafruit.com/
2018-04-15T20:21:31 < Rickta59> * first mention on archive.org
2018-04-15T20:21:40 < branjb> 2005
2018-04-15T20:21:41 < branjb> interesting
2018-04-15T20:21:49 < branjb> was it formed as a company then or the name of a blog?
2018-04-15T20:22:15 < branjb> company
2018-04-15T20:22:17 < Rickta59> she was blogging first
2018-04-15T20:22:25 < branjb> >Adafruit Industries is a small company that sell kits and parts for original electronics projects featured on www.ladyada.net.
2018-04-15T20:22:38 < Rickta59> www.ladyada.net/
2018-04-15T20:22:43 < Rickta59> yeah that
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2018-04-15T20:23:29 < branjb> USBtinyISP
2018-04-15T20:23:41 < Rickta59> that had a lot more activity prior to adafruit.com
2018-04-15T20:23:59 < Rickta59> yeah that is a rip off of someone elses design with minor tweaks
2018-04-15T20:24:09 < Rickta59> https://web.archive.org/web/20050301024657/http://www.ladyada.net:80/ .. first post
2018-04-15T20:24:21 < Rickta59> 3/1/2006
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2018-04-15T20:39:32 < Laurenceb___> https://twitter.com/aldin_ww/status/985524774670659584
2018-04-15T20:39:38 < Laurenceb___> 76 missiles right there...
2018-04-15T20:40:05 < branjb> all on the same target?
2018-04-15T20:42:34 < Steffanx> Fake Something new Something?
2018-04-15T20:42:38 < Steffanx> *news
2018-04-15T20:43:32 < Steffanx> Google identifies it as ruines, sounds right.
2018-04-15T20:48:24 < Laurenceb___> branjb: according to pentagon 76 missiles were launched at that target
2018-04-15T20:48:33 < Laurenceb___> I'd guess about 20 from the damage
2018-04-15T20:48:39 < Rickta59> why is there anything left standing then?
2018-04-15T20:49:40 < Laurenceb___> ikr
2018-04-15T20:49:47 < Laurenceb___> 76*450kg warheads
2018-04-15T20:50:03 < branjb> maybe they all hit the same spot
2018-04-15T20:50:05 < Laurenceb___>  >34T
2018-04-15T20:50:07 < branjb> so the first missile destroyed it
2018-04-15T20:50:14 < branjb> and then the rest just kept hitting that spot
2018-04-15T20:50:40 < Laurenceb___> Russians say 22 hit it
2018-04-15T20:50:44 < Laurenceb___> looks about right to me
2018-04-15T20:51:23 < Laurenceb___> tfw Trump is literally fake news
2018-04-15T20:54:01 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb___: so you confirm old soviet anti-missile thing worked as efficiently as russia claims it?
2018-04-15T20:54:20 < Laurenceb___> should be pretty easy using satellite photos, yeah
2018-04-15T20:54:35 < Laurenceb___> https://syria.liveuamap.com/pics/2018/04/15/21645403_0.jpg
2018-04-15T20:54:38 < Laurenceb___> the second site
2018-04-15T20:55:32 < Laurenceb___> so 5 missiles there
2018-04-15T20:55:46 < Laurenceb___> no satellite photos for the third site on twitter yet...
2018-04-15T20:57:08 < Laurenceb___> if Russians are telling the truth, thats 5 missiles remaining for third site
2018-04-15T21:00:38 < Laurenceb___> aha
2018-04-15T21:00:39 < Laurenceb___> https://syria.liveuamap.com/pics/2018/04/15/21645403_1.jpg
2018-04-15T21:02:12 < Laurenceb___> maybe 1 missile
2018-04-15T21:03:05 < Laurenceb___> https://syria.liveuamap.com/pics/2018/04/15/21645403_2.jpg
2018-04-15T21:03:13 < Laurenceb___> nobody knows how many missiles...
2018-04-15T21:03:48 < Laurenceb___> maybe 7
2018-04-15T21:04:12 < Laurenceb___> so overall off by 3 missiles
2018-04-15T21:05:46 < Laurenceb___> oh there are houses down lhs
2018-04-15T21:06:02 < Laurenceb___> maybe fewer missiles then - its hard to get sense of scale
2018-04-15T21:08:06 < Laurenceb___> so Russians seems correct to within +-a few missiles, muricans off by >50
2018-04-15T21:08:25 < Rickta59> and you are surprised that Trump is bloviating?
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2018-04-15T21:11:55 < Laurenceb___> heh
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2018-04-15T21:20:07 < Steffanx> And you says all the russians say is true, because internet research said so?
2018-04-15T21:20:13 < Steffanx> Based on twatter images?
2018-04-15T21:21:24 < Rickta59> I think Trump doesn't care about the truth
2018-04-15T21:21:38 < BrainDamage> send a balloon over syria to capture pics
2018-04-15T21:21:44 < Steffanx> Did you figure out who did that poison thing yet Laurenceb___? Was is the russians or brits?
2018-04-15T21:22:11 < Laurenceb___> Steffanx: the satellite shots are pretty definitive
2018-04-15T21:22:24 < Steffanx> Are they?
2018-04-15T21:22:28 < BrainDamage> that's assuming the pics are legit
2018-04-15T21:22:30 < Steffanx> Who says those pics are from today?
2018-04-15T21:22:46 < Steffanx> Who says they didnt blow up that shit?
2018-04-15T21:23:13 < Laurenceb___> well something got blown up
2018-04-15T21:23:22 < Laurenceb___> but not enough for all the missiles
2018-04-15T21:23:24 < Steffanx> The question is who did it.
2018-04-15T21:23:46 < Laurenceb___> I know
2018-04-15T21:23:53 < Laurenceb___> Russians blew stuff up in false flag
2018-04-15T21:23:58 < Steffanx> Whatever. We'll never know. Such shit show.
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2018-04-15T21:26:29 < Rickta59> you all need to go watch the movie "Wag the Dog" ... Trump and Putin are the producers of this one
2018-04-15T21:27:22 < Laurenceb___> >not "Snake eyes"
2018-04-15T21:28:20 < Rickta59> or that yeah
2018-04-15T21:29:04 < jpa-> Rickta59: dsb/dmb does nothing about caches AFAIK, only about instruction reordering and delayed execution
2018-04-15T21:29:50 < Rickta59> yeah there is the pipeline and the stm32 flash cache
2018-04-15T21:30:57 < Rickta59> I think he needs to go look at how other people have built boot loaders that work and emulate one of those
2018-04-15T21:31:56 < Rickta59> I didn't read back far enough .. does his code overwrite the m4 vector area?
2018-04-15T21:32:37 < Rickta59> if it does, did he do the write thing regarding reestablishing those values?
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2018-04-15T21:43:11 < Steffanx> Brits killed Laurenceb__ for spreading fake news.
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2018-04-15T22:13:24 < Ecco> I don't touch the M4 vector area
2018-04-15T22:13:55 < Ecco> because I assume there is no exception when running the relocated bootloader in RAM
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2018-04-15T22:55:19 < aandrew> altium's find similar is awesome for hand assembling boards
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2018-04-15T23:10:52 < stvn> 🇻🇳
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2018-04-15T23:27:30 < Rickta59> do you have trap handlers in case anything does go bad Ecco ?
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2018-04-15T23:57:36 < stvn> Good morning dr.b
--- Day changed Mon Apr 16 2018
2018-04-16T00:01:24 < Steffanx> Thank you welcome
2018-04-16T00:03:36 < Laurenceb___> USA versus Russia: the most epin trawlin since TeamPisces versus iDubbz
2018-04-16T00:04:22 < Laurenceb___> attn stvn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDxBJ_IaO8s
2018-04-16T00:04:50 < Steffanx> Only you know what that teamp crap is...
2018-04-16T00:04:55 < stvn> meme
2018-04-16T00:05:02 < stvn> Hi stffn
2018-04-16T00:05:11 < Steffanx> Damn, you know too stvn?!
2018-04-16T00:05:16 < stvn> No
2018-04-16T00:05:26 < stvn> Idk wtf that vid is
2018-04-16T00:05:53 < Steffanx> Oh, good. Was almost going to ban you from my Kumpel lidt.
2018-04-16T00:05:55 < Steffanx> St
2018-04-16T00:06:19 < stvn> hello welcome !!
2018-04-16T00:06:52 < Laurenceb___> Steffanx doesnt follow online gaming damaz?
2018-04-16T00:06:59 < Laurenceb___> how can u live
2018-04-16T00:07:06 < stvn> Too many to count
2018-04-16T00:07:28 < stvn> Fuelled by the spectrum
2018-04-16T00:07:32 < Laurenceb___> kek
2018-04-16T00:09:15 < Steffanx> Hah, no. The only game i play is somw fps. And i tend to join a russian server because in that game russians are more mature.
2018-04-16T00:09:40 < stvn> They’re military using it as a simulation
2018-04-16T00:10:19 < Steffanx> And all i understand is "left" "right" "clear" and "get to thr objective". And the occational curse words ofcourse.
2018-04-16T00:10:38 < stvn> As expected
2018-04-16T00:10:39 < BrainDamage> cyka blyat
2018-04-16T00:10:59 < Steffanx> :)
2018-04-16T00:11:39 < Laurenceb___> >not playing on a TeamPisces console
2018-04-16T00:11:54 < stvn> 🦆
2018-04-16T00:12:23 < Laurenceb___> https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Schaun_Bishop
2018-04-16T00:13:14 < stvn> Too early for ED
2018-04-16T00:15:20 < stvn> 🇦🇺
2018-04-16T00:15:43 < Laurenceb___> so much hex
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2018-04-16T00:34:29 < stvn> Professional cats
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2018-04-16T00:35:48 < Cracki> meow?
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2018-04-16T00:52:14 < Steffanx> Welcome Cracki
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2018-04-16T01:01:55 < Bundestrojaner> good evening. I'm developing on a stm32f0 discovery-board and ran into a strange problem: My USART2_RX-Interrupt sends me straight to the "Default_Handler" (reproduceable)
2018-04-16T01:01:55 < Bundestrojaner> Since I have "void USART2_IRQHandler (void){...}" in my main.c and a breakpoint at it's beginning is not hit, i have no idea where to start...
2018-04-16T01:03:22 < zyp> start by checking if you spelled the name of the function right
2018-04-16T01:03:28 < zyp> including case and everything
2018-04-16T01:03:49 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lSNVxsEG/greycat.JPG
2018-04-16T01:04:08 < zyp> if you don't get the name right, it won't override the weak symbol with the same name, pointing to default handler
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2018-04-16T01:14:43 < Bundestrojaner> zyp: thx. The name of the function is exactly like in vectors_stm32f0xx.c: void USART2_IRQHandler(void).
2018-04-16T01:14:44 < Bundestrojaner> what do you mean with "including case and everything"?
2018-04-16T01:14:44 < Bundestrojaner> Is it important where i define it? (it's under my main)
2018-04-16T01:15:06 < zyp> do you happen to use C++?
2018-04-16T01:15:52 < zyp> C++ symbol name mangling will cause the same effect
2018-04-16T01:17:35 < Bundestrojaner> zyp: i didn't use any classes, i don't know if the compiler supports c++
2018-04-16T01:17:55 < zyp> that's besides the point
2018-04-16T01:18:00 < zyp> is your file named .c or .cpp?
2018-04-16T01:18:07 < zyp> (or anything else?)
2018-04-16T01:19:43 < Bundestrojaner> zyp: i just noticed the files are really named .cpp
2018-04-16T01:19:52 < zyp> yeah, that'll do it
2018-04-16T01:20:11 < zyp> if you intend on using plain C, rename them to .c
2018-04-16T01:20:26 < zyp> if you intend on using C++, wrap the ISR in an «extern "C"» block
2018-04-16T01:20:36 < zyp> so it gets correct symbol naming
2018-04-16T01:25:33 < Bundestrojaner> zyp: do you mean the _IRQ-functions by ISR?
2018-04-16T01:26:18 < zyp> yes
2018-04-16T01:26:50 < zyp> «extern "C" void USART2_IRQHandler …» should do it
2018-04-16T01:27:21 < zyp> it tells the C++ compiler «name this function as if it were a plain C function»
2018-04-16T01:30:44 < zyp> without that, the C++ compiler will emit the symbol _ZN17USART2_IRQHandlerEv, and when the linker is linking that with the vector table, it won't match the USART2_IRQHandler symbol in the vector table
2018-04-16T01:31:26 < zyp> or _Z17USART2_IRQHandlerEv rather
2018-04-16T01:32:02 < zyp> or something, idk exactly, but you get the point :)
2018-04-16T01:38:26 < Bundestrojaner> zyp: it works now, thank you very much :)
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2018-04-16T02:50:47 < psprint_> I'm sharing a nice debug macro (assumes printf is overloaded to e.g. virtual com, via UART):  #define vcom_errorn( format, ... ) printf( "ERROR(%s:%d): " format "\n", __FILENAME__, __LINE__, ## __VA_ARGS__ )
2018-04-16T02:51:02 < psprint_> #define __FILENAME__ ( strrchr( __FILE__, '/' ) ? strrchr( __FILE__, '/' ) + 1 : __FILE__ )
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2018-04-16T03:16:40 < Bundestrojaner> Do i need to define anything but "#define HSE_VALUE    ((uint32_t)8000000)" on a discovery board to get correct settings from USART_Init?
2018-04-16T03:16:40 < Bundestrojaner> My USART2 doesn't work correctly (interrupts trigger, received and sent chars are incorrect)
2018-04-16T03:16:57 < Bundestrojaner> (stm32f0 discovery with stm32f051r8)
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2018-04-16T04:15:36 < steverrrr> psprint_ : nice.  i'll use that for heavily nested HAL crap.  which printf are you using?
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2018-04-16T05:15:52 < jadew> lol, I looked up the historical price of gold in various currencies, because I think it holds information regarding inflation in various countries
2018-04-16T05:16:07 < jadew> checked the zimbabwean dollar and it's just a spike haha
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2018-04-16T05:16:28 < jadew> I think the graph couldn't deal with the data
2018-04-16T05:18:32 < jadew> http://5.12.202.190/stuff/ZWD-gold.png
2018-04-16T05:23:37 < jadew> looks like the CHF is more stable than gold
2018-04-16T05:24:09 < jadew> maybe the japanese yen beats it
2018-04-16T05:28:04 < jadew> the yen has been getting stronger since 50 years ago
2018-04-16T05:28:17 < jadew> seems like the best coin
2018-04-16T05:30:54 < jadew> (better than gold)
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2018-04-16T06:04:54 < dongs> sup dongs
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2018-04-16T07:50:25 < dongs> zyp: arcin parts arrived
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2018-04-16T08:30:27 < kaa> recommend a dual band router?
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2018-04-16T08:32:18 < dongs> not running lunix would be a huge plus
2018-04-16T08:32:23 < kaa> must work
2018-04-16T08:32:29 < kaa> and must has lunix
2018-04-16T08:32:34 < kaa> good lunix
2018-04-16T08:32:41 < kaa> screen irssi then
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2018-04-16T08:33:27 < kakimir> I'd rather use it like raspberry pi - package management and everything
2018-04-16T08:33:40 < kakimir> debian shiet
2018-04-16T08:34:39 < kakimir> I just mental not to have any package management
2018-04-16T08:37:50 < englishman> kakimir: https://i.imgur.com/DNaEte9.png
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2018-04-16T08:39:11 < kakimir> shitpond
2018-04-16T08:39:36 < kakimir> apparently every place called shitpond in finland
2018-04-16T08:39:45 < kakimir> englishman, router for me?
2018-04-16T08:41:23 < dongs> does that say pakistani
2018-04-16T08:41:25 < dongs> all over
2018-04-16T08:41:38 < dongs> you said dualband does that mean wireless?
2018-04-16T08:41:44 < dongs> just get a ethernet>wifi bridge
2018-04-16T08:41:51 < dongs> i end up paying $150 or someshti for archer C7
2018-04-16T08:41:58 < dongs> and  onl use it as wireless bridge
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2018-04-16T08:44:07 < englishman> it says "shit lake" in finnish or whatever
2018-04-16T08:45:42 < dongs> must be hte new intel processor codenaemm
2018-04-16T08:45:47 < dongs> shit lake
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2018-04-16T09:32:13 < zyp> dongs, nice
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2018-04-16T10:09:38 < stvn> Shit
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2018-04-16T10:17:05 < stvn> Total shit
2018-04-16T10:17:35 < stvn> I conclude steffan did it
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2018-04-16T10:41:43 < Steffanx> Ya Kumpel, stvn
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2018-04-16T11:03:48 < stvn> Translate
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2018-04-16T13:21:16 < BrainDamage> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/174594808638078976/435357096616263680/Pleasetakeabathwithme_c35fc8_6579821.png
2018-04-16T13:22:15 < Haohmaru> <itsatrap.jpg>
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2018-04-16T13:29:38 < karlp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASCkWnxlfUA&feature=youtu.be&t=119
2018-04-16T13:30:32 < stvn> discord
2018-04-16T13:34:41 < stvn> ice pyramid
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2018-04-16T14:18:53 < kakimir> recommend low leakage n-channel mosfet in sot23 package
2018-04-16T14:20:15 < jpa-> "low leakage" must be similar to how every cmos chip ever is called "low power"
2018-04-16T14:22:17 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-16T14:23:30 < kakimir> interesting
2018-04-16T14:23:38 < kakimir> went to mouser and looking for mosfets
2018-04-16T14:23:59 < Haohmaru> mousefets
2018-04-16T14:24:00 < kakimir> first in the list there is 248eur RF tranny
2018-04-16T14:24:28 < kakimir> 192volts and some dozens of amps
2018-04-16T14:25:11 < kakimir> power dissapation over 2kw
2018-04-16T14:26:44 < kakimir> price decending
2018-04-16T14:27:00 < kakimir> we are at 25kiloeur
2018-04-16T14:28:24 < stvn> what is the application of this mosfet kakimir
2018-04-16T14:29:05 < kakimir> 25keur tranny?
2018-04-16T14:29:37 < kakimir> 3 output power module 690V and 2050Amperes
2018-04-16T14:29:44 < kakimir> beast
2018-04-16T14:30:07 < stvn> im talking about the one you require
2018-04-16T14:33:56 < karlp> kakimir: there's a fets.loldongs in zypsnips I think.
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2018-04-16T14:38:04 < Laurenceb__> muh babby
2018-04-16T14:39:35 < kakimir> I think I need low Idss and high threshold voltages
2018-04-16T14:40:45 < Haohmaru> 2050 amperes?! wut r u doing kakiguy?!
2018-04-16T14:40:46 < kakimir> karlp, it's all about rds(on) and price
2018-04-16T14:40:48  * Haohmaru hides
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2018-04-16T14:43:51 < karlp> you need the alfa and the omega
2018-04-16T14:44:42 < karlp> ao3400
2018-04-16T14:46:23 < kakimir> chinese pal likes alpha omega for some reason
2018-04-16T14:46:34 < karlp> what's not to like? cheap, good specs?
2018-04-16T14:46:41 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-16T14:47:13 < kakimir> gate threshold is a bit low
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2018-04-16T14:47:27 < kakimir> I see if I find one with higher threshold graph
2018-04-16T14:47:51 < kakimir> or just.. leave it
2018-04-16T14:48:24 < kakimir> I(DSS) = 1µA to BOM and tell them to maximize threshold
2018-04-16T14:49:24 < kakimir> I think I need actually lower current fet because the GS DS graph seems to follow same shape no matter the current rating
2018-04-16T14:49:44 < kakimir> so actually current is lower with same GS probs. with low current fet
2018-04-16T14:49:49 < kakimir> am I correct?
2018-04-16T14:50:32 < jpa-> you call 1µA low leakage?
2018-04-16T14:50:46 < kakimir> I don't know
2018-04-16T14:50:54 < kakimir> but my simulation says it's not a problem at least
2018-04-16T14:51:01 < jpa-> even a crappy leaking bsh105 is only 0.1µA at roomtemperature
2018-04-16T14:51:07 < kakimir> okay!
2018-04-16T14:58:33 < Lux> kakimir: https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/unifiac
2018-04-16T14:58:49 < Lux> got one, works well
2018-04-16T14:59:22 < kakimir> okay
2018-04-16T14:59:33 < kakimir> I think I go with seperate wlan router and shell box
2018-04-16T15:01:13 < Lux> the wrt1200ac is supposed to be ok too if you need more ports
2018-04-16T15:01:28 < kakimir> I will have seperate router too
2018-04-16T15:01:45 < kakimir> not too much shit into same box
2018-04-16T15:01:50 < kakimir> or actually
2018-04-16T15:02:00 < kakimir> my current LTE router does only 100M ethernet
2018-04-16T15:02:28 < kakimir> so better to just have internets from there and split LAN to another router
2018-04-16T15:02:52 < kakimir> in summertime the 100M ethernet actually is the slowest part of my network
2018-04-16T15:06:31 < zyp> the ubnt edgerouters and unifi aps are both good
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2018-04-16T16:05:28 < dongs> i found stvn's pumper shop https://www.circuitworksaustralia.com.au/
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2018-04-16T16:05:51 < dongs> tey're posting on freecancer asking for altium pros at $2-8/hr
2018-04-16T16:06:50 < Haohmaru> ugh how i hate these wbesites with the big-a$$ scrolling photos
2018-04-16T16:07:07 < Haohmaru> and dumb animations
2018-04-16T16:07:12 < dongs> yeah man
2018-04-16T16:07:20 < dongs> welcome to the hamburger menu
2018-04-16T16:07:23 < dongs> fucking RIP internet
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2018-04-16T16:07:52 < dongs> Circuitworks is your trusted partner for electronic design and PCB layout. Utilising the latest CAD software tools from Altium we can assist with all your requirements. Our manufacturing experience means we can employ best design for manufacturability principles (DFM).
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2018-04-16T17:16:01 < dongs> attn @ Simon-- https://www.freelancer.com/projects/microcontroller/Customize-ESC-firmware-that-written/
2018-04-16T17:18:26 < kakimir> you know any really strong glue that is non-corrosive
2018-04-16T17:18:28 < kakimir> ?
2018-04-16T17:18:39 < kakimir> to permanently connect plastic parts to pcb
2018-04-16T17:18:54 < kakimir> effectivelly to seal some parts inside
2018-04-16T17:21:48 < dongs> permanently seal your dong
2018-04-16T17:21:59 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-16T17:22:33 < kakimir> I wonder if anything even sticks properly to mask
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2018-04-16T17:30:58 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/c-programming/SHOT-SCOPE/ found englishman's proj
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2018-04-16T17:35:06 < Lux> those 2 projects look like they def won't be solved
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2018-04-16T17:40:15 < Haohmaru> ugh, i feel like "freelancer" is a dirty word after seeing these things
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2018-04-16T17:42:46 < kakimir> dirty jobs
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2018-04-16T18:09:20 < dongs> i preer the term 'freecancer'
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2018-04-16T19:27:39 < zyp> kakimir, like conformal coating or what?
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2018-04-16T19:48:39 < qyx> kakimir: I used liquid electrical tape
2018-04-16T19:48:41 < qyx> this one https://m.fortnine.ca/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/catalogimages/star-brite/brite-liquid-electrical-tape-black-4oz.jpg
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2018-04-16T20:00:25 < kakimir> is that some sort of petroleum product?
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2018-04-16T20:15:07 < Streake_> The MSDS says it's 65% xylene, acetone and MEK.
2018-04-16T20:15:36 < Streake_> You put that shit anywhere near a PCB... goodbye electronic components.
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2018-04-16T20:21:30 < kakimir> maybe
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2018-04-16T20:24:36 < kakimir> I wonder if I would go to sleep early
2018-04-16T20:24:44 < kakimir> then go to work at 6AM
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2018-04-16T20:38:40 < Steffanx> You wont.
2018-04-16T20:40:48 < kakimir> I wont
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2018-04-16T20:41:44 < Steffanx> I know.
2018-04-16T20:41:49 < Steffanx> How are you today kakimir?
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2018-04-16T21:03:16 < kakimir> oh shiet
2018-04-16T21:03:47 < kakimir> I have food - no need to go to grocery shoppin
2018-04-16T21:08:17 < kakimir> and that is my day
2018-04-16T21:11:02 < englishman> altium 18.1.4 out
2018-04-16T21:13:46 < qyx> Streaker: I tried it on a pcb, worked somehow
2018-04-16T21:18:09 < kakimir> altidum
2018-04-16T21:27:29 < Steffanx> > rage o'clock, englishman :P
2018-04-16T21:27:56 < englishman> innovations not going well today
2018-04-16T21:28:00 < Steffanx> Did you also freeze in?
2018-04-16T21:28:34 < englishman> no, but i had to defrost the huskies before hooking them up to the dogsled
2018-04-16T21:28:47 < Steffanx> I did some great innovations to day. Upgraded some u-blox NINA-B1 module using an stlink and openocd.
2018-04-16T21:29:22 < Steffanx> (just because i dont have a jlink and that's all nrfgo studio supports )
2018-04-16T21:30:19 < Steffanx> ublox nina ble stuff is just some nrf52 -_-
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2018-04-16T21:33:01 < englishman> cool
2018-04-16T21:34:35 < Steffanx> Yeah its not that bad, it some AT-based stuff. And then you find out 99.9% of the features are not supported in the oldest firmware.
2018-04-16T21:34:44 < Steffanx> Even the bootloader is non-functional.
2018-04-16T21:34:49 < Steffanx> So you need swd.
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2018-04-16T22:28:06 < englishman> hmm this iphone shit is 0.3mm bga
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2018-04-16T22:35:43 < Steffanx> Still working on that "i didnt do backup properly"-issue englishman?
2018-04-16T22:35:47 < Steffanx> *backups
2018-04-16T22:36:00 < englishman> well the reballing stencils arrived
2018-04-16T22:41:58 < kakimir> what is the important shiet in the phone?
2018-04-16T22:42:08 < Steffanx> buttcoin iirc
2018-04-16T22:47:19 < kakimir> hey - that is stupid
2018-04-16T22:47:55 < kakimir> dave jones laughed in one video about storing buttcoins in phone
2018-04-16T22:48:34 < kakimir> englishman, how many buttcoin?
2018-04-16T22:48:55 < kakimir> 1 or more?
2018-04-16T22:49:18 < englishman> idk
2018-04-16T22:49:52 < kakimir> ?
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2018-04-16T22:50:15 < kakimir> idk as you don't want to think about it or idk as you don't know
2018-04-16T22:50:32 < kakimir> or as in you don't want to tell
2018-04-16T22:50:47 < Steffanx> idk as in: I am a millionaire.
2018-04-16T22:51:11 < kakimir> as long as I don't fuck it up in my homebrew process
2018-04-16T22:52:58 < englishman> i didnt ask
2018-04-16T22:53:10 < kakimir> it's not yours?
2018-04-16T22:53:16 < englishman> correct
2018-04-16T22:53:24 < kakimir> you repair it for someone and then take the coins?
2018-04-16T22:53:35 < Steffanx> He'll have to immigrate for sure.
2018-04-16T22:53:38 < englishman> no, cash up front
2018-04-16T22:53:47 < englishman> what am i going to to with fake video game money
2018-04-16T22:53:56 < Steffanx> turn into read CAD.
2018-04-16T22:53:57 < Steffanx> *real
2018-04-16T22:54:14 < englishman> good luck
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2018-04-16T22:55:14 < Steffanx> hah.
2018-04-16T23:10:27 < zyp> hmm, nanopb looks easy enogh to integrate as a submodule
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2018-04-16T23:26:52 < zyp> wtf
2018-04-16T23:26:59 < zyp> protoc is retarded
2018-04-16T23:27:32 < zyp> OUT_DIR is relative to input file
2018-04-16T23:27:36 < zyp> that makes no sense at all
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2018-04-16T23:28:39 < qyx> I did nanopb as a submodule
2018-04-16T23:28:57 < zyp> yeah, I'll do the same, looks reasonable enough
2018-04-16T23:28:59 < qyx> but have to write equally retarded python logic for protoc
2018-04-16T23:29:05 < qyx> *had to
2018-04-16T23:29:12 < zyp> for the path handling?
2018-04-16T23:29:15 < qyx> yes
2018-04-16T23:29:42 < zyp> I guess I could make the scons rule just always convert output path to absolute before feeding it to protoc
2018-04-16T23:30:57 < qyx> check this https://github.com/iqyx/plumcore/blob/develop/SConstruct#L44
2018-04-16T23:31:01 < qyx> idk how does it work
2018-04-16T23:31:07 < qyx> I forgot
2018-04-16T23:31:27 < qyx> also the print is wrong
2018-04-16T23:32:44 < qyx> I am curious if that sconstruct actually works
2018-04-16T23:34:12 < qyx> if you write something more sane and working I will be happy to copy it
2018-04-16T23:35:20 < zyp> I will
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2018-04-16T23:39:34 < zyp> oh wtf
2018-04-16T23:40:58 < stvn> arcin mate
2018-04-16T23:41:17 < zyp> actually, I got it wrong, relative output paths works just fine, it's just that it keeps the input path
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2018-04-16T23:42:21 < zyp> haha
2018-04-16T23:42:22 < zyp> File does not reside within any path specified using --proto_path (or -I).  You must specify a --proto_path which encompasses this file.  Note that the proto_path must be an exact prefix of the .proto file names -- protoc is too dumb to figure out when two paths (e.g. absolute and relative) are equivalent (it's harder than you think).
2018-04-16T23:42:27 < zyp> no fucking shit
2018-04-16T23:43:27 < qyx> heh
2018-04-16T23:44:06 < stvn> Voltage
2018-04-16T23:44:29 < stvn> Or caffeine
2018-04-16T23:45:19 < zyp> okay, I think I got it
2018-04-16T23:45:23 < zyp> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2988115/how-can-i-force-the-sconscript-builder-to-change-directory
2018-04-16T23:46:26 < zyp> I'll just get scons to run protoc from the same dir the .proto file is located in, that way it doesn't get fucked up by any dir names
2018-04-16T23:47:10 < qyx> how do you manage the includes then
2018-04-16T23:47:21 < zyp> includes how?
2018-04-16T23:47:32 < qyx> you still need the --proto_path, no?
2018-04-16T23:47:45 < qyx> when you include a file in your proto
2018-04-16T23:47:59 < zyp> dunno, so far I only got a single .proto file, and that's fine without adding any shit
2018-04-16T23:48:10 < qyx> you will need it
2018-04-16T23:48:13 < zyp> if I need more than one file, I figure I'll just keep them all in the same dir
2018-04-16T23:48:23 < zyp> so include path can be .
2018-04-16T23:48:42 < qyx> for example import "nanopb.proto";
2018-04-16T23:49:02 < qyx> otherwise things like required bytes data = 2 [(nanopb).max_size = 8]; don't work
2018-04-16T23:49:58 < zyp> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/nanopb/docs/concepts.html#modifying-generator-behaviour <- even if I put that stuff in an .options file instead?
2018-04-16T23:51:42 < qyx> idk, I didn't try this
2018-04-16T23:58:55 < karlp> eclipse doesn't let you fold #ifdef sections?!
2018-04-16T23:59:46  * karlp closes atollic for teh last time
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2018-04-17T00:00:25 < zyp> hrm, the chdir stuff only changes to target dir, not source dir
2018-04-17T00:00:50 < zyp> guess I'll just have to do same dir builds then
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2018-04-17T00:03:38 < zyp> meh, I'll look at this shit later
2018-04-17T00:09:09 < aandrew> Sigh
2018-04-17T00:09:47 < aandrew> Now I have to figure out why my 12->5 buck is konking out after about 300mA of load. Should be good for 1.5A
2018-04-17T00:23:15 < stvn> How’s the inductor
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2018-04-17T00:33:57 < zyp> aandrew, thermal? not enough cooling?
2018-04-17T00:41:04 < aandrew> No, it’s cool. I wonder if I have too little inductance or something of that nature
2018-04-17T00:42:39 < aandrew> Gotta scope a few things
2018-04-17T00:45:47 < aandrew> It’s a TPS54160 and I’ve got 10uH
2018-04-17T00:45:58 < aandrew> Er no I don’t
2018-04-17T00:46:03 < aandrew> I have 2.2uH
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2018-04-17T00:50:23 < zyp> looks cute
2018-04-17T00:50:31 < zyp> love all the sequencing descriptions in the datasheet
2018-04-17T00:53:58 < aandrew> Only real goofy thing about it is that EN is not rated to VIN. Blew one up ignoring that rule. :-)
2018-04-17T00:54:16 < zyp> oh, haha
2018-04-17T00:54:18 < stvn> Heh
2018-04-17T00:55:17 < zyp> well, it has internal pullup, so if you're only wiring it to VIN, might as well just leave it floating
2018-04-17T00:57:19 < aandrew> I am pretty sure my problem is lack of inductance.
2018-04-17T00:57:30 < aandrew> No, I’m wrong
2018-04-17T00:57:37 < stvn> How’s the inductor
2018-04-17T00:57:47 < aandrew> I was looking at the 3.3V buck. That has 2u2
2018-04-17T00:58:01 < stvn> Wut frequency
2018-04-17T00:58:02 < aandrew> The 5V one has a different inductor
2018-04-17T00:58:10 < zyp> did you run the calculations in 9.2.2.2 in the DS? (of course you did, but what are the results?)
2018-04-17T00:58:13 < stvn> How much ripple
2018-04-17T00:58:14 < aandrew> Have to look at it, I’m in the kitchen currently
2018-04-17T00:58:24 < stvn> :3
2018-04-17T00:58:55 < stvn> Is de inductuhhhh rated for the DC current?
2018-04-17T00:59:01 < stvn> 🦅
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2018-04-17T01:00:51 < stvn> Hi Laurenceb___
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2018-04-17T01:05:58 < Laurenceb___> sup
2018-04-17T01:06:06 < Laurenceb___> Elon Musk stole muh ideaz
2018-04-17T01:06:22 < stvn> Hyperscam
2018-04-17T01:06:43 < stvn> Autism based engineering at its finest
2018-04-17T01:07:29 < BrainDamage> are hyperloops gaping tunnels illegal under uk's pornography laws?
2018-04-17T01:07:38 < Laurenceb___> now he has wiped his twitter and reddit
2018-04-17T01:07:47 < Laurenceb___> exposing gaping holes
2018-04-17T01:08:21 < stvn> Wut
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2018-04-17T01:08:39 < Laurenceb___> at first he said balloon based recovery, then something about landing on a padded boat
2018-04-17T01:08:42 < Laurenceb___> so who knows...
2018-04-17T01:09:12 < Laurenceb___> then reddit got shoa'd
2018-04-17T01:09:53 < Laurenceb___> need to check #highaltitude logz for mr musk
2018-04-17T01:10:40 < Laurenceb___> maybe its just going to be a boring Russian style conical inflatable ballute
2018-04-17T01:11:07 < Laurenceb___> but hot air balloon recovery would be epin
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2018-04-17T01:18:53 < Laurenceb___> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/16/controlling-girlfriend-first-woman-convicted-new-domestic-abuse/
2018-04-17T01:19:01 < Laurenceb___> feminists on suicide watch
2018-04-17T01:21:46 < stvn> 🦆
2018-04-17T01:23:08 < stvn> 🇦🇺
2018-04-17T01:24:01 < jadew> I don't understand tho
2018-04-17T01:24:05 < jadew> why didn't he leave her?
2018-04-17T01:24:25 < stvn> He likes a bit
2018-04-17T01:24:31 < jadew> probably
2018-04-17T01:24:37 < jadew> also, why do any of the things she says
2018-04-17T01:25:21 < BrainDamage> you might as well ask eg why stockholm syndrome exists
2018-04-17T01:25:32 < BrainDamage> emotional trauma can make people act very irrationally
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2018-04-17T01:27:35 < jadew> maybe she was just looking for some rough sex but the guy couldn't read the signs
2018-04-17T01:28:46 < jadew> I get it that you restrain yourself because men are more powerful and can do actual damage, but fuck... that's some yoda level self control
2018-04-17T01:29:23 < Laurenceb___> the law is still batshit
2018-04-17T01:29:36 < jadew> don't know, fuck her
2018-04-17T01:29:53 < Laurenceb___> 90% of those prosecuted have been ppl with mental issues who couldnt defend themselves in court
2018-04-17T01:30:14 < Laurenceb___> its just funny that the law was introduced by radfems to target the ebil menz
2018-04-17T01:30:17 < jadew> so... people who should be locked up anyway?
2018-04-17T01:30:23 < Laurenceb___> no
2018-04-17T01:30:41 < Laurenceb___> ppl who are the reason benefits and mental health services exist
2018-04-17T01:31:03 < Laurenceb___> but to middle class radfems they are just the ebil menz
2018-04-17T01:32:20 < Laurenceb___> inb4 I claim radfems are psychologically harassing me
2018-04-17T01:34:05 < jadew> I've seen many relationships where the men refuse to get violent with the women, but then the women do
2018-04-17T01:34:18 < Laurenceb___> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5345825/Man-person-convicted-hearsay-evidence.html
2018-04-17T01:34:31 < Laurenceb___> nice one radfems, you locked up a homeless beggar
2018-04-17T01:34:36 < Laurenceb___>  *slowclap*
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2018-04-17T01:36:29 < jadew> Laurenceb__, yeah, the first paragraphs seem ridiculous
2018-04-17T01:36:50 < jadew> how do they know it wasn't the women who incited that behaviour?
2018-04-17T01:36:56 < jadew> *woman
2018-04-17T01:37:37 < Laurenceb___> well put yourself in the situation where you have nowhere to live...
2018-04-17T01:37:52 < Laurenceb___> are you going to ask your girlfriend to help out or not...
2018-04-17T01:37:59 < jadew> of course
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2018-04-17T01:38:46 < Laurenceb___> bbl
2018-04-17T01:39:38 < jadew> I never understood how those abusive relationships work
2018-04-17T01:39:47 < jadew> in my opinion, it's the victim's fault
2018-04-17T01:40:07 < jadew> this shit never starts out of the sudden
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2018-04-17T01:40:33 < jadew> you have to put up with that crap, and you had to choose that partner to begin with
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2018-04-17T01:41:57 < jadew> + the law is on your side in pretty much any country, so you have no excuse
2018-04-17T01:43:10 < Rob235> https://i.imgur.com/mRaWZBo.png
2018-04-17T01:43:31 < Rob235> pen plotter interface about ready, just gotta get the rpi to send SPI
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2018-04-17T01:51:19 < karlp> hrm, what am I missing for l0 spi copied from l1 spi master
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2018-04-17T02:10:55 < karlp> bleh, clk just stays low
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2018-04-17T03:36:53 < aandrew> alright
2018-04-17T03:37:07 < aandrew> I used a VLS4012ET-100M-CA, which is 10uH 228mOhm 1.33A
2018-04-17T03:38:36 < aandrew> it's measured at 1MHz and saturates at an Amp
2018-04-17T03:40:43 < aandrew> using a 90k resistor for frequency setting for the TPS54160, that puts the switching freq just slightly above 1MHz
2018-04-17T03:42:17 < aandrew>  well
2018-04-17T03:42:20 < aandrew> I see a fuckup
2018-04-17T03:42:34 < aandrew> I've got the diode on the wrong side of the fucking inductor
2018-04-17T03:42:50 < aandrew> how fucking high was I
2018-04-17T03:44:00 < englishman> nice
2018-04-17T03:44:49 < englishman> don't feel so bad, noone else caught it when you posted the schematic last week either
2018-04-17T03:47:25 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/ZYQWg
2018-04-17T03:47:52 < aandrew> D3 should be on pin 1/10
2018-04-17T03:48:26 < aandrew> I also have PWRGD backward; it floats PWRGD when power is good so that LED lighting up before was bad :-)
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2018-04-17T03:52:32 < englishman> PWRGD goes hiZ when power is good?
2018-04-17T03:53:24 < englishman> i guess thats normal but usually called ~error right
2018-04-17T03:53:56 < aandrew> exactly
2018-04-17T03:54:01 < aandrew> I was using it as PWRGD#
2018-04-17T03:54:53 < englishman> all those damn TI switchers have low EN pin tolerance, its annoying
2018-04-17T03:57:05 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbrJEZUmJviNbVvXhP6U0mxMCEzs4gUCR
2018-04-17T03:57:22 < aandrew> easy fix. tombstone the diode and use 30AWG to the pin: https://imgur.com/a/znq7K
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2018-04-17T03:59:32 < aandrew> it's easily handling 500mA now without even flinching. AC ripple is nothing
2018-04-17T03:59:42 < aandrew> now the STM32 shouldn't keep resetting. :-)
2018-04-17T04:01:11 < aandrew> this is what the whole test system looks like. What you don't see is the little FPGA under the STM32: https://imgur.com/a/7ACiy
2018-04-17T04:02:02 < aandrew> what you also don't see is that on all those 6 sub-boards the boost regulator isn't working. I was lazy and used a footprint off the interwebs that didn't connect the unused pins to GND like the datasheet recommends
2018-04-17T04:02:10 < aandrew> thankfully I don't *need* the boost reg
2018-04-17T04:02:22 < aandrew> although not having it kind of defeats the fucking purpose of the test board :-)
2018-04-17T04:04:46 < englishman> tsk tsk
2018-04-17T04:10:02 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/a/7ACiy I put the mosfet module up there now too
2018-04-17T04:10:36 < aandrew> basically lets me evaluate mosfets for this application along with adjusting drive voltage/strength. I have three styles of that board: sot23, sot23-6 and so8 which covers a TON of parts from various vendors
2018-04-17T04:12:16 < jadew> did you write PCB on your PCB? :)
2018-04-17T04:14:11 < aandrew> no, that's the company who did the boards, PCB Ultimate Vision
2018-04-17T04:14:26 < aandrew> their website is right out of the mid-90s but they're good people and make decent boards
2018-04-17T04:14:42 < aandrew> and they're local to me, at least for 2L. 4L they farm out to Germany I think
2018-04-17T04:16:18 < englishman> To enjoy this site you'll need to update your Flash Player. It's easy, painless and will take
2018-04-17T04:16:18 < englishman> just a moment...
2018-04-17T04:16:41 < englishman> no 4L really?
2018-04-17T04:16:48 < aandrew> yeah I don't go to their website. I email Cynthia and send her a .zip
2018-04-17T04:16:54 < aandrew> not locally apparently
2018-04-17T04:17:05 < aandrew> they do all layers but the simple stuff they do in canada
2018-04-17T04:17:11 < englishman> man i am spoiled, the pcb place 800m away does rigidflex and has good beer
2018-04-17T04:17:24 < aandrew> damn
2018-04-17T04:17:29 < aandrew> brb moving to quebec
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2018-04-17T04:38:26 < jadew> ok, I recommend "deep space 69"
2018-04-17T04:38:30 < jadew> very funny and classy
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2018-04-17T04:59:57 < dongs> https://file.allpcb.com:441/comment/18/04/17/050603454.jpg
2018-04-17T05:08:40 < dongs> https://file.allpcb.com:441/comment/18/04/16/153946994.jpg
2018-04-17T05:10:46 < dongs> https://file.allpcb.com:441/comment/18/04/12/011608650.jpg the fuck what
2018-04-17T05:10:50 < dongs> relays to switch RF?
2018-04-17T05:10:58 < dongs> fucking hamfags
2018-04-17T05:13:55 < englishman> 2x gold medal morse code reception awards (senior category)
2018-04-17T05:15:13 < dongs> https://file.allpcb.com:441/comment/18/04/03/214142503.jpg the fuck
2018-04-17T05:15:38 < dongs> https://file.allpcb.com:441/comment/18/04/03/111343810.jpg emufags
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2018-04-17T05:16:28 < dongs> https://file.allpcb.com:441/comment/18/03/31/155626712.jpg yissss
2018-04-17T05:18:19 < dongs> oh simple64 cart is for C64
2018-04-17T05:18:23 < dongs> i thought it was for N64
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2018-04-17T06:22:38 < Rob235> I don't feel like breaking out my logic analyzer, someone set up spi slave for f4 for me
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2018-04-17T06:55:42 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, protoc is silly about include paths
2018-04-17T06:56:40 < jpa-> zyp: i guess part of the reason is that it has that weird "virtual path" mechanism where one can do something like -Ivirtual:/real/path  and have include "virtual/foo.proto"; work
2018-04-17T06:58:47 < jpa-> zyp: you probably saw this also, but this is what i use with scons    https://github.com/nanopb/nanopb/blob/master/tests/site_scons/site_tools/nanopb.py
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2018-04-17T06:59:01 < dongs> in FIR, does lower alpha mean "slower" updates, or higher one?
2018-04-17T06:59:59 < jpa-> there is alpha in FIR filters? usually i see alpha in like    float filtered = (sample * alpha) + (prev * (1.0 - alpha));    but that is IIR
2018-04-17T07:00:10 < dongs> yeah IIR then
2018-04-17T07:00:30 < jpa-> if it is that way around, then higher alpha -> faster updates
2018-04-17T07:01:01 < dongs> basically i wanna do a very long term average of some numbers that shouldn't be affected by momentary spikes
2018-04-17T07:01:22 < jpa-> then IIR doesn't work for you
2018-04-17T07:01:33 < dongs> yea?
2018-04-17T07:01:34 < jpa-> because it weights the newest sample quite heavily always
2018-04-17T07:01:37 < dongs> what should I use then
2018-04-17T07:01:37 < dongs> oh
2018-04-17T07:03:05 < dongs> i thought if i set alpha to watever 'lowest' value then i coul have a nice and slow average of stuff
2018-04-17T07:03:18 < jpa-> unless the average is really long.. e.g. if alpha = 0.01, you'll get update time of ~500 samples and 1% of any spike level will get through
2018-04-17T07:03:36 < dongs> 0.01 is fine to try
2018-04-17T07:03:46 < dongs> coul go even lower
2018-04-17T07:03:57 < jpa-> yeah, you can calculate it directly from how much spike you can afford to let through
2018-04-17T07:04:01 < dongs> or i could skip samples
2018-04-17T07:06:22 < jpa-> one can also do cascaded IIR which will smooth the spikes more; like    alpha=0.01;  filt1 = (s*alpha) + filt1*(1-alpha);  filt2 = (filt1*alpha) + filt2*(1-alpha);   which would reduce any spikes to 0.0001 but still only have 2x slower update time
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2018-04-17T07:09:00 < dongs> ok lemme try that. thats actualyl what iw as going to do, a 2nd pass over the data with alpha of 0.01
2018-04-17T07:11:55 < dongs> how te fuck do i change debug .axf/elf file in ozone
2018-04-17T07:20:10 < dongs> hmm no it still changes to fast
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2018-04-17T07:37:58 < dongs> oh wow
2018-04-17T07:38:08 < dongs> ozone does incremental updates for flash
2018-04-17T07:38:17 < dongs> if you just change a number or two and code/compiled length doesnt change
2018-04-17T07:38:21 < dongs> it will only reflash taht block
2018-04-17T07:38:36 < dongs> fucking amaze
2018-04-17T07:38:39 < dongs> can GDB even do that
2018-04-17T07:38:43 < dongs> or openAIDSOCD
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2018-04-17T09:13:18 < dongs> fucking git
2018-04-17T09:13:21 < dongs> such unusable garbage
2018-04-17T09:13:29 < dongs> tried to use it for more than linear editing by one person
2018-04-17T09:13:32 < dongs> started a branch
2018-04-17T09:13:38 < dongs> apparently merging it only works one way
2018-04-17T09:13:55 < dongs> now i ahve master behind by some shit and a newfag branch with last cshit being "merging master into newfag"
2018-04-17T09:13:58 < dongs> and master is still behind
2018-04-17T09:14:00 < dongs> fucking aids
2018-04-17T09:14:03 < dongs> unusable faggot shit
2018-04-17T09:15:04 < Ultrasauce> http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
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2018-04-17T09:17:30 < Haohmaru> time flows downwards? what is this? a game music tracker?
2018-04-17T09:18:53 < dongs> Ultrasauce: stopped reading when found out author used macfag
2018-04-17T09:19:24 < Ultrasauce> maybe you're having such a hard time because you refuse to learn to use the tools properly
2018-04-17T09:20:34 < dongs> incorrect
2018-04-17T09:20:39 < dongs> maybe the tools are just fucking retarded
2018-04-17T09:20:48 < Ultrasauce> the two are not mutually exclusive
2018-04-17T09:20:51 < dongs> see, all was good untl i tried to actually do something more complex than committing each change
2018-04-17T09:20:54 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/fqvj36b.png
2018-04-17T09:22:07 < dongs> As a consequence of its simplicity and repetitive nature, branching and merging are no longer something to be afraid of. Version control tools are supposed to assist in branching/merging more than anything else.
2018-04-17T09:22:11 < dongs> what universe is this faggot from
2018-04-17T09:22:16 < dongs> where git merging works
2018-04-17T09:22:20 < Haohmaru> "As a consequence of its simplicity and repetitive nature, branching and merging are no longer something to be afraid of."
2018-04-17T09:22:31 < Haohmaru> rrrrrrrrrright
2018-04-17T09:22:37 < dongs> if it was so simple why the fuck im still watching this shit fail
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2018-04-17T09:23:55 < Haohmaru> i "use" git for one project, and i have to copy/paste the 3 commands i need from a text file, cuz i can't remember them or make sense of wtf is going on
2018-04-17T09:25:04 < dongs> that text is fucking useless
2018-04-17T09:25:11 < dongs> i actually did read it
2018-04-17T09:25:16 < PaulFertser> Oh come on guys. There must be a reason so many programmers use git. Just learn your fucking tools properly.
2018-04-17T09:25:17 < dongs> it explains nothing of why the shit is actually done
2018-04-17T09:25:31 < Haohmaru> and altho i have written explanations for when to use each of those three commands in that same text file, i 'm still a bit scared when i do it cuz what if something goes wrong..
2018-04-17T09:25:45 < dongs> < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/fqvj36b.png PaulFertser ok pro, please tell me how to fix this rblem then
2018-04-17T09:25:51 < dongs> with such "great tools"
2018-04-17T09:26:45 < Haohmaru> PaulFertser i am not saying git sux, no.. i am fully aware that it is meant to do good and tons of people use it
2018-04-17T09:26:56 < Haohmaru> i just don't agree that it's "easy"
2018-04-17T09:27:32 < Haohmaru> the problem is probably me, but that doesn't help *shrug*
2018-04-17T09:27:39 < PaulFertser> dongs: "git stash" (to temporarily save your uncommitted changes while you're doing the next steps), "git checkout master" (to actually switch to the master branch since you want to modify it), "git merge tsc_rework" (to merge this branch into master), "git stash pop" (to restore the uncommitted changes on top.
2018-04-17T09:27:57 < dongs> i think i had ONE time when someone else edited same shit in git and merge didnt fail
2018-04-17T09:28:01 < PaulFertser> https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2 <-- proper way to learn git.
2018-04-17T09:28:37 < Ultrasauce> probably could have rebased on master also
2018-04-17T09:28:52 < dongs>  (to temporarily save your uncommitted changes while you're doing the next steps)
2018-04-17T09:28:56 < dongs> i have no changes
2018-04-17T09:29:08 < PaulFertser> dongs: it looks like you merged "master" into tsc_rework when you wanted it the other way round.
2018-04-17T09:29:21 < dongs> correct, because the other shit was grayed out
2018-04-17T09:29:22 < PaulFertser> dongs: then skip the stash stage.
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2018-04-17T09:31:13 < Haohmaru> when people talk about git, it sounds so intuitive
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2018-04-17T09:31:21  * Haohmaru lied
2018-04-17T09:34:52 < PaulFertser> Haohmaru: the idea behind git is pretty intuitive, it's just probably people are often confused trying to learn UI before learing some basic concepts about how it works. Do you e.g. know that _every_ commit is basically a snapshot of all your sources plus some metadata (including the hash of the parent commit(s))? And a branch is just a hash of the last commit in it?
2018-04-17T09:35:20 < Haohmaru> no
2018-04-17T09:35:37 < dongs> why the fuck would i ever need to know such shit
2018-04-17T09:35:39 < dongs> what the hell
2018-04-17T09:35:51 < dongs> do i fucking know how my car works if I just want to drive it from A to B?
2018-04-17T09:35:52 < PaulFertser> Haohmaru: if you take that into account, suddenly it all starts to make sense.
2018-04-17T09:36:15 < Haohmaru> i should note that english is not my native language, so some of those words were not familiar to me (before i had to "deal" with git)
2018-04-17T09:36:26 < Haohmaru> maybe that's part of the problem?
2018-04-17T09:36:30 < dongs> no
2018-04-17T09:36:32 < PaulFertser> dongs: you at least need to know how to refuel it, right?
2018-04-17T09:38:01 < PaulFertser> It's not much to learn but it helps to understand how to efficiently use the tool a lot.
2018-04-17T09:38:04 < dongs> refueling a car is not same shit as knowing some arkane lore about scm
2018-04-17T09:39:27 < Haohmaru> i had big trouble learning C++ also, most of the info which i found did not make sense to me, it was like alien language, till i found some obscure .chm "C++ tutorial" that used simple explanations and code examples
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2018-04-17T09:40:51 < Haohmaru> (maybe cuz i came from mIRC scripting, which is drastically different to C++)
2018-04-17T09:41:22 < PaulFertser> dongs: so did you manage to merge to master now?
2018-04-17T09:41:49 < Haohmaru> anyways.. what's scary about git, is that it has a huge amount of functionality, thus a huge pile of possible usecases/invocations/arguments
2018-04-17T09:41:54 < PaulFertser> Haohmaru: http://www.stroustrup.com/programming.html
2018-04-17T09:42:19 < Haohmaru> that's literally the first book that gets recommended, isn't it?
2018-04-17T09:43:19 < PaulFertser> I do not remember it being discussed here.
2018-04-17T09:43:34 < Haohmaru> i guess part of my issue is that i don't learn easy.. i need to see "the problem" in order to learn the "solution"
2018-04-17T09:44:48 < Haohmaru> another problem was that mIRC has no "types" .. it's all text strings, so learning wtf an "integer" is was hard
2018-04-17T09:45:07 < PaulFertser> dongs: btw, they made refueling cars really non-trivial with that new euro6 requirements when there's no euro6-compliant petrol station in sight.
2018-04-17T09:45:15 < Haohmaru> probably because most C++ books think you're coming from assembler
2018-04-17T09:47:04 < Haohmaru> all i know about git/svn/whatever is that the idea is to be able to see who made what changes to the code, and possibly undo them, etc..
2018-04-17T09:47:21 < dongs> good luck undoing a chanve in git
2018-04-17T09:47:26 < dongs> i woulnt even know where to start
2018-04-17T09:47:27 < Haohmaru> that's certainly a very good thing!
2018-04-17T09:47:45 < Haohmaru> but i have no f*cking idea how to use it
2018-04-17T09:48:00 < dongs> i would probly just make a copy of code, roll back to the whatever last change and delete everthing after it
2018-04-17T09:48:03 < Haohmaru> the documentation looks like a bible of horror
2018-04-17T09:48:08 < dongs> then copy the old shit into new stuff
2018-04-17T09:48:12 < dongs> files/wahtever
2018-04-17T09:48:29 < PaulFertser> dongs: you just set the "branch" on the previous commit. In your case if you're on branch tsc_rework in the state you showed you just "git reset --hard HEAD^" (which means reset current branch to the commit before current HEAD)
2018-04-17T09:48:43 < Haohmaru> git --help iirc knocks you with a wall of text
2018-04-17T09:48:45 < dongs> i dont use command line trash
2018-04-17T09:50:21 < PaulFertser> Haohmaru: pro git book is what teaches git, --help is just for the reference. And "man" pages help once you understand the basics.
2018-04-17T09:50:23 < Haohmaru> (actually, a lot of CLI apps do that, explains why i'm still struggling with linux, even tho i really want to use it and abandon the other crap OSes)
2018-04-17T09:50:34 < PaulFertser> dongs: what git UI are you using then?
2018-04-17T09:50:51 < dongs> sourcetree, the only thing remotely usable
2018-04-17T09:50:59 < PaulFertser> All the GUIs I've seen so far were almost one-to-one mapping to git cli.
2018-04-17T09:51:29 < zyp> jpa-, ah, I didn't see you already made a builder, will have a look later
2018-04-17T09:51:50 < Haohmaru> i think i recently installed git-cola or some such
2018-04-17T09:52:41 < Haohmaru> PaulFertser for me it'd be easier to learn 3 buttons on some complex UI compared to 3 command invocations
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2018-04-17T09:54:07 < Haohmaru> that still doesn't completely solve my problem with git being complex, cuz when i'd need to use a 4th command, i'll ask someone "how do i do this ..." and the answer will be probably a git invocation command x_x
2018-04-17T09:54:34 < PaulFertser> Haohmaru: it doesn't matter, understanding concepts helps with both buttons and commands.
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2018-04-17T09:54:41 < Haohmaru> then i'd have to figure out which is the 4th button on the UI ;P~
2018-04-17T09:55:24 < Haohmaru> sure.. just don't tell me that it's "easy" like that article
2018-04-17T09:56:06 < PaulFertser> I'm not advocating any articles, I recommend the "Pro Git book".
2018-04-17T09:56:49 < Haohmaru> i'm pretty sure i was reading it before.. not the whole thing of course
2018-04-17T09:56:59 < Haohmaru> and reading != understanding
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2018-04-17T09:59:37 < Haohmaru> git uses hashes?
2018-04-17T09:59:54 < Haohmaru> with my bad luck, i won't be surprised if i hit a hash collision x_x
2018-04-17T10:00:04 < Haohmaru> thanks, git
2018-04-17T10:03:29 < PaulFertser> Haohmaru: sha-1
2018-04-17T10:06:50 < PaulFertser> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9392365/how-would-git-handle-a-sha-1-collision-on-a-blob
2018-04-17T10:07:00 < PaulFertser> "A higher probability exists that every member of your programming team will be attacked and killed by wolves in unrelated incidents on the same night."
2018-04-17T10:08:33 < Haohmaru> i am the only team member
2018-04-17T10:08:37 < Haohmaru> thanks, git
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2018-04-17T10:20:41  * Haohmaru dresses up in a wolf suit and waits PaulFertser outside his office
2018-04-17T10:21:54 < Haohmaru> this suit is too furry >:/
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2018-04-17T10:27:42 < PaulFertser> Haohmaru: good luck chewing on my cordura moto pants ;)
2018-04-17T10:29:15 < Haohmaru> u won't get away with this!!1
2018-04-17T10:36:37 < kakimir> is there non water absorbing foams to cover pcbs?
2018-04-17T10:37:17 < c10ud> anyone has experience with spiffs? I'm getting a feeling something's fucking up my fs, cache-wise
2018-04-17T10:37:25 < Haohmaru> u gon trigger the NSA soon with your exotic questions
2018-04-17T10:37:33 < c10ud> (I'm on 0.3.7)
2018-04-17T10:38:18 < Ultrasauce> oWo
2018-04-17T10:39:00 < dongs> fucking furfags
2018-04-17T10:55:44 < kakimir> foams usually suck
2018-04-17T10:55:53 < kakimir> but foams do not stress components
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2018-04-17T10:56:43 < stvn> Yeah muscles
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2018-04-17T10:57:52 < kakimir> Hello Sexy
2018-04-17T10:58:10 < kakimir> *to stvn
2018-04-17T10:58:56 < Steffanx> Get a room kakimir and stvn
2018-04-17T11:05:20 < stvn> http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/hacking/porn-fills-screen-at-perths-yagan-square/news-story/1b5475c5e4ae8327c780fd8fc25d9888
2018-04-17T11:05:33 < stvn> The gnaa
2018-04-17T11:06:10 < stvn> Hello everyone! I’m looking at gay porno!
2018-04-17T11:06:17 < dongs> > hacking
2018-04-17T11:06:18 < dongs> > porn
2018-04-17T11:06:49 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-17T11:08:51 < Haohmaru> cool down yer pants, boi
2018-04-17T11:13:10 < stvn> I’ll send Samuel Deever over
2018-04-17T11:14:29 < Haohmaru> who dat
2018-04-17T11:14:44 < stvn> https://youtu.be/93MrkcUye3s
2018-04-17T11:15:08 < Haohmaru> no pootoob at work
2018-04-17T11:15:20 < stvn> Don’t be a nigger
2018-04-17T11:15:31 < Haohmaru> i'm not
2018-04-17T11:15:38 < stvn> Fine
2018-04-17T11:15:58 < Haohmaru> what's wrong with them black brothers?
2018-04-17T11:17:45 < stvn> They’re not gay enough
2018-04-17T11:17:59 < Haohmaru> how do you know that ;P~
2018-04-17T11:18:08 < stvn> The internet
2018-04-17T11:18:16 < Haohmaru> the internet often lies
2018-04-17T11:18:32 < stvn> Where is englishman ?
2018-04-17T11:19:19 < Haohmaru> working hard for the queen?
2018-04-17T11:19:44  * Haohmaru sneaks out..
2018-04-17T11:44:15 < stvn> Grey cat
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2018-04-17T12:36:09 < karlp> aandrew: what are those pcb connectors you're using for the 12V input?
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2018-04-17T12:40:44 < Laurenceb___> https://imgur.com/RaNjdHF
2018-04-17T12:40:46 < Laurenceb___> my sides
2018-04-17T12:41:00 < Laurenceb___> >when u cant tell if /b/ or radfems
2018-04-17T12:42:13 < jadew> probably a troll
2018-04-17T12:44:21 < Laurenceb___> >not making a "how not to be a terrorist bomber" version
2018-04-17T12:44:41 < Laurenceb___> >ten tips to avoid being an irc troll
2018-04-17T12:46:16 < karlp> are they like pcb mount banana plugs?
2018-04-17T12:46:25 < Laurenceb___> yes
2018-04-17T12:46:31 < Laurenceb___> but why would u want such a thing
2018-04-17T12:47:59 < stvn> the doctor
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2018-04-17T12:48:33 < jadew> turns out this chick can turn into anyone she wants: https://www.instagram.com/alysontabbitha/?hl=en
2018-04-17T12:48:39 < jadew> must be a great girlfriend to have
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2018-04-17T13:00:30 < con3> Do I need to call the spi receive function everytime I want to receive data or can this just be done by triggering the chip select line?
2018-04-17T13:03:34 < stvn> Laurenceb__: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdZ0gok5HfU
2018-04-17T13:04:56 < Haohmaru> con3 are you the spi master?
2018-04-17T13:05:33 < con3> Haohmaru: Stm is in slave mode here, receiving data from an esp32
2018-04-17T13:05:46  * Haohmaru pukes
2018-04-17T13:05:57 < con3> oh no
2018-04-17T13:06:11 < Haohmaru> allergic reaction to espressif
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2018-04-17T13:06:57 < con3> real cheap wifi chip though, not a fan of the arduino vibe
2018-04-17T13:07:04 < Haohmaru> why is your chip the slave? why is that dumb wifi thing requiring you to do such ugly things?
2018-04-17T13:07:24 < karlp> Haohmaru: why are you so judgemental? there's plenty of reasons for the stm32 to be the slave
2018-04-17T13:07:34 < Haohmaru> i've not done spi slave ;P~
2018-04-17T13:07:54 < Haohmaru> the right thing to do would be to "consult the datasheet"
2018-04-17T13:08:09 < Haohmaru> but we're talking about espressif here.. so.. yeah
2018-04-17T13:08:15 < con3> Haohmaru: I could set the stm as master, but I'd like to have a two way communication going, having the stm send data to the esp and then the esp send data back
2018-04-17T13:08:38 < Haohmaru> con3 why would master or slave make a difference?!
2018-04-17T13:08:55 < Haohmaru> SPI is full duplex
2018-04-17T13:09:31 < Haohmaru> for example, wiznet W5500 is spi slave
2018-04-17T13:09:43 < con3> It wouldn't, just saying that I set the stm as slave aat this point
2018-04-17T13:10:00 < con3> but not getting any data at the stm's side
2018-04-17T13:10:13 < con3> got the nss signal setup aswell
2018-04-17T13:10:17 < Haohmaru> can't help you then, but you're gonna be a string puppet in the hands of the espressif then
2018-04-17T13:11:22 < con3> Haohmaru: Any reason for te espressif hate? Seen a lot of people using it. I've only used it for a few simple wifi communications, besides the large power draws I can't see anything wrong so far?
2018-04-17T13:12:31 < Haohmaru> con3 i've seen a lot of people use cheap drugs.. so what should that mean?
2018-04-17T13:12:45 < Haohmaru> like heroin instead of cocaine
2018-04-17T13:12:51 < con3> XD
2018-04-17T13:12:58 < con3> Are there any good alternatives?
2018-04-17T13:13:46 < Haohmaru> i don't take drugs at all, that's good IMO
2018-04-17T13:14:02 < Haohmaru> con3 i hate wifi in general
2018-04-17T13:14:12 < Ultrasauce> I just get high on talking out my ass on irc
2018-04-17T13:14:16 < Haohmaru> espressif is nasty
2018-04-17T13:14:38 < con3> yeah but gsm is pricey af for lots of data, so i went the wifi route
2018-04-17T13:15:33 < Haohmaru> i'm also gonna have to use the dumb esp12 module, eventually
2018-04-17T13:16:16 < con3> does look like stm is bringing out a few iot modules though
2018-04-17T13:21:01 < con3> what do you guys use to code these stm modules, hal?
2018-04-17T13:21:58 < karlp> Haohmaru: if you think using a wiznet slave rather than esp chip is a "good thing" you must have some good ideas of a good time
2018-04-17T13:22:54 < Haohmaru> karlp the wiznet chip is ethernet, the espressif is wifi
2018-04-17T13:23:23 < Haohmaru> spi master is easier to deal with
2018-04-17T13:24:37 < karlp> now you're changing the topic ;)
2018-04-17T13:24:57 < Haohmaru> i guess i didn't understand your question then
2018-04-17T13:25:56 < stvn> any nigger can make some nigger feature
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2018-04-17T13:27:58 < Haohmaru> i think if you repeat that word a bit more you might get klined by Sigyn
2018-04-17T13:27:59 < Haohmaru> ;P~
2018-04-17T13:29:31 < jadew> that would be racist
2018-04-17T13:31:05 < Haohmaru> can a bot be "racist" ?
2018-04-17T13:31:45 < jadew> if you listen to what's being said online, yeah
2018-04-17T13:33:25 < con3> https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-chatbot-racist
2018-04-17T13:33:34 < jadew> that's what I was about to link hehe
2018-04-17T13:36:18 < stvn> lol
2018-04-17T13:36:22 < stvn> Nigyn
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2018-04-17T13:39:01 < Haohmaru> but then you have to accept that a bot is a person.. type of thing
2018-04-17T13:39:15 < Haohmaru> my cat could be a racist (she probably is)
2018-04-17T13:41:35 < Steffanx> Better ask.
2018-04-17T13:42:58 < Haohmaru> maybe not racist, but she's egoistic for sure
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2018-04-17T13:44:31 < stvn> my cat is black
2018-04-17T13:45:09 < Haohmaru> awww
2018-04-17T13:45:17 < Haohmaru> mine is white
2018-04-17T13:45:26 < jadew> my cat was black too
2018-04-17T13:46:13 < karlp> TIL that grep -r doesn't follow symlinks
2018-04-17T13:46:29 < jadew> what's TIL?
2018-04-17T13:46:33 < karlp> today I learned
2018-04-17T13:46:58 < jadew> TILT, thanks
2018-04-17T13:47:06 < stvn> lol
2018-04-17T14:01:29 < jadew> god... every government run institusion is garbage
2018-04-17T14:02:13 < jadew> I got a notice that I have to renew my domain name (which I previously bought for life, but anyway) and their page only half works
2018-04-17T14:02:42 < jadew> then I called, got the call center and when someone picked up the phone all I could hear was robot noises
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2018-04-17T14:04:32 < jadew> on the same topic, I'm still waiting for my authorizations - when I took the papers in, they told me I should call from time to time to check on the progress otherwise NOTHING is going to happen
2018-04-17T14:05:37 < jadew> when I went there the first time they gave me several years old instructions, with the wrong bank account to pay the tax in
2018-04-17T14:05:50 < jadew> then they told me I have to deal with it myself and I should try to X institution
2018-04-17T14:06:29 < jadew> called them for several days on a number I got from the public relations office at that institution
2018-04-17T14:06:33 < jadew> NOBODY FUCKING ANSWERED
2018-04-17T14:06:58 < jadew> the same number was on their website - turned out it was fucking wrong
2018-04-17T14:07:09 < jadew> found the good number on a non-gov website
2018-04-17T14:07:54 < jadew> now in order to get this authorization, I have to have my production space ready BEFORE I EVEN KNOW IF I'LL BE ALOWED TO FUNCTION THERE
2018-04-17T14:08:01 < jadew> it's fucking insane
2018-04-17T14:10:50 < Haohmaru> jadew which country is that?
2018-04-17T14:10:56 < jadew> Romania
2018-04-17T14:11:10 < Haohmaru> ah, i was gonna say that it sounds quite like bulgaria ;P~
2018-04-17T14:11:15 < Haohmaru> hello neighbour
2018-04-17T14:11:16 < Haohmaru> >:)
2018-04-17T14:11:19 < jadew> hey :)
2018-04-17T14:12:15 < Haohmaru> ours here do dumb stuff like sending letters to dead people coz they have the right to reject something (but they are dead, huh)
2018-04-17T14:12:29 < Haohmaru> then wait for 14 days for a reply before they give the green light
2018-04-17T14:13:15 < dongs> what was that >= 24V dc/dc that everyone uses
2018-04-17T14:13:26 < aandrew> karlp: they're banana jacks
2018-04-17T14:13:54 < aandrew> karlp: digikey 36-575-8-nd
2018-04-17T14:14:14 < aandrew> they make shorter ones but the banana plugs don't mate nicely I find
2018-04-17T14:15:41 < Haohmaru> oh, and besides that the person is dead, they send the letter to him, on a completely wrong address x_x
2018-04-17T14:16:05 < Haohmaru> that is, an address they pull out of their a$$
2018-04-17T14:16:16 < stvn> ?
2018-04-17T14:16:22 < jadew> Haohmaru, they don't know the street the cemetery is on?
2018-04-17T14:16:45 < Haohmaru> they absolutely don't know what they're doing
2018-04-17T14:16:51 < Haohmaru> i have no other explanation
2018-04-17T14:18:28 < jadew> I've been seriously considering leaving the country recently
2018-04-17T14:18:37 < jadew> but there are very few good options
2018-04-17T14:18:47 < jadew> (of where to go to)
2018-04-17T14:20:46 < karlp> aandrew: do they just pushfit into the pcb?
2018-04-17T14:22:02 < Haohmaru> i'm staying
2018-04-17T14:23:13 < aandrew> karlp: if I made the holes a little smaller yes
2018-04-17T14:23:48 < aandrew> but what i did is I tinned the top pad, touch of flux, then placed them in and heatgunned until it reflowed
2018-04-17T14:23:51 < aandrew> nice solid connection
2018-04-17T14:24:13 < aandrew> < jadew> then I called, got the call center and when someone picked up the phone all I could hear was robot noises
2018-04-17T14:24:15 < qyx> dongs: LT8609?
2018-04-17T14:24:19 < aandrew> sounds like every call to .ro I've ever made :-)
2018-04-17T14:24:29 < jadew> heh aandrew
2018-04-17T14:25:16 < aandrew> dongs: >24V input, output, what?
2018-04-17T14:25:25 < qyx> dongs: or TPS5406x
2018-04-17T14:26:53 < karlp> aandrew: neat, thanks, hadn't see those sorts of things pcb mounted up close before
2018-04-17T14:27:26 < aandrew> yeah that's the main reason I got them
2018-04-17T14:27:36 < aandrew> I just wish I could have found insulated ones (or at least with a colour coded ring
2018-04-17T14:27:44 < aandrew> I like that they go right into the board though
2018-04-17T14:27:57 < aandrew> and NOT right angle, those would snap off easy
2018-04-17T14:28:15 < Laurenceb__> http://ace.mu.nu/archives/It-seemed-like-a-good-idea.jpg
2018-04-17T14:28:58 < aandrew> Laurenceb__: lol
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2018-04-17T14:57:43 < Laurenceb__> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DarM1gEX4AA0FI5.jpg:large
2018-04-17T14:59:52 < jadew> they're doing marriage wrong
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2018-04-17T15:00:15 < Laurenceb__> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DV7mAtdUQAEw9Ae.jpg:large
2018-04-17T15:00:22 < Laurenceb__> twitter delivers
2018-04-17T15:00:27 < jadew> lol
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2018-04-17T18:15:27 < dongs> https://www.gigabyte.com/FileUpload/Global/KeyFeature/912/images/killer-line.png lol
2018-04-17T18:21:09 < Laurenceb__> https://kek.gg/i/7yr4qm.jpg
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2018-04-17T18:48:16 < tpw_rules> > kek.gg
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2018-04-17T19:03:03 < jadew> dongs, nice find
2018-04-17T19:03:38 < jadew> I wonder if they did a survey first to learn that the average idiot would be impressed by that
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2018-04-17T19:05:34 < jadew> for the record, I liked that picture
2018-04-17T19:06:17 < jadew> I like pussy diversity
2018-04-17T19:06:38 < jadew> or at leasth the thought of it, cuz I for sure don't experience that
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2018-04-17T19:08:02 < Steffanx> I didnt even click. Kek.gg triggered me.
2018-04-17T19:08:28 < Rob235> blah, I think I should switch from mbed to stdPeriph
2018-04-17T19:08:37 < Steffanx> Yes.
2018-04-17T19:08:39 < Rob235> :)
2018-04-17T19:08:47 < Rob235> where do I download it?
2018-04-17T19:09:05 < Rob235> google works,
2018-04-17T19:09:10 < Rob235> its amazing
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2018-04-17T19:26:20 < aandrew> where do I download teh google
2018-04-17T19:27:13 < Rob235> piratebay
2018-04-17T19:27:50 < antto> noooo, stay away from teh google
2018-04-17T19:28:59 < Steffanx> tpb is blocked in dutchland
2018-04-17T19:29:18 < Steffanx> Same with a dozen of the available proxies
2018-04-17T19:29:34 < Rob235> heh I thought that was where it was hosted :/
2018-04-17T19:29:47 < Steffanx> Maybe it once was
2018-04-17T19:29:48 < Steffanx> Idk
2018-04-17T19:31:22 < karlp> I will be tomorrow
2018-04-17T19:33:44 < Steffanx> Oh noes
2018-04-17T19:33:59  * Steffanx goes back into his basement
2018-04-17T19:34:20 < Rob235> time for a short vacation Steffanx get out of town
2018-04-17T19:35:08 < Steffanx> He'll be like 200km away. For dutch standards thats like on the otherside of the globe
2018-04-17T19:36:01 < dongs> https://radiichina.com/shenzhen-maker-naomi-wu-on-twitter-wars-chinese-tech-and-her-growing-profile/
2018-04-17T19:36:24 < Steffanx> Dongs found a new obsession?
2018-04-17T19:36:24 < dongs> botwu on the move
2018-04-17T19:36:26 < dongs> yes
2018-04-17T19:36:27 < englishman> lol that esd graph
2018-04-17T19:37:22 < dongs> > tacking on plenty of unrelated comments about Wu’s personal appearance and gender.
2018-04-17T19:37:45 < tpw_rules> > smart quotes
2018-04-17T19:37:52 < dongs> yeah fucking filth
2018-04-17T19:38:05 < dongs> shit quotes are worse than hamburger menus
2018-04-17T19:39:51 < englishman> whats a smart quote
2018-04-17T19:40:01 < dongs> retarded unicode quotes
2018-04-17T19:40:02 < dongs> instead of ""
2018-04-17T19:40:09 < dongs> and retarded unicode apostrophe
2018-04-17T19:40:15 < dongs> instead of ` or ' or wahtever
2018-04-17T19:40:34 < englishman> ““
2018-04-17T19:40:39 < dongs> < englishman> ??
2018-04-17T19:40:42 < englishman> lol
2018-04-17T19:41:04 < englishman> lets summarize dongs technical ability
2018-04-17T19:41:07 < englishman> >unicode 1.0
2018-04-17T19:41:14 < englishman> can't figure out browser tabs
2018-04-17T19:41:18 < englishman> >git is too complicated
2018-04-17T19:41:51 < dongs> browser tabs are FuCKING STUPID
2018-04-17T19:42:47 < dongs>  I’m not a proper engineer, and my skills are still basic, but I have good stamina and can work long hours. So I try to do that. Just having a new project every month or two — along, of course, with the flamboyant presentation — meant when journalists were looking for something on a slow news day, there I was.
2018-04-17T19:46:49 < antto> i was just about to say that there's not enough b00bs in the pic but then i scrolled down..
2018-04-17T19:47:02 < dongs> yeah, sickening
2018-04-17T19:47:45 < antto> that fake almost-smile expression
2018-04-17T19:48:06 < englishman> china is so free and open and tolerant
2018-04-17T19:48:20 < Steffanx> This hating is even below laurenceb level funny.
2018-04-17T19:48:33 < Steffanx> Or is it just me that doesnt give a fuck?
2018-04-17T19:48:35 < dongs> i dont think its funny at all
2018-04-17T19:48:45 < dongs> bitch needs to be in the kitchen tho
2018-04-17T19:48:50 < dongs> not SJW"ing around twatter
2018-04-17T19:49:14 < Steffanx> I spend no time on those twatters.
2018-04-17T19:49:49 < Steffanx> But i understand. When you keil you have more time for shit like that.
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2018-04-17T19:50:02 < englishman> truth
2018-04-17T19:50:25 < englishman> only scones i like are with melted butter and jam
2018-04-17T19:51:06 < Steffanx> And waffles.
2018-04-17T19:51:19 < Steffanx> Out of stock yet?
2018-04-17T19:51:28 < englishman> no, had to take a break
2018-04-17T19:51:39 < Steffanx> Hah.
2018-04-17T19:54:04 < dongs> > When you keil you have more time for shit like that.
2018-04-17T19:54:06 < dongs> absolutely
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2018-04-17T20:01:18 < antto> "Naomi Wu and her DIY Underlit LED (Hikaru) Skirt" <- <mega_facepalm.jpg>
2018-04-17T20:01:53 < antto> how do you explain the reasons for that skirt to your dad?
2018-04-17T20:05:03 < Steffanx> How do you explain your skirt to your dad antto?
2018-04-17T20:05:23 < antto> easy, i wear pants, not a skirt
2018-04-17T20:05:51 < Steffanx> Afraid for what he would think?
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2018-04-17T20:11:01 < Streaker> lesbians wear pants
2018-04-17T20:14:09 < PaulFertser> antto: same as http://mashintop.ru/userfiles/image/_(350).jpg
2018-04-17T20:14:49 < antto> pimp my lada
2018-04-17T20:15:51 < antto> Streaker i'm sure they wear skirts too
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2018-04-17T20:25:43 < Streaker> don't be silly. you can't wear a skirt under a pant
2018-04-17T20:26:05 < BrainDamage> you can do it over though
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2018-04-17T20:28:32 < Rob235> hrmm for stm32f4 disco I had PLL_M = 8 for my old project but it shows 25 in the new file?
2018-04-17T20:28:33 < antto> yo dawg, i hurd u like skirts, so we put a skirt under your skirt under your pants
2018-04-17T20:29:35 < ReadErr> englishman: haha
2018-04-17T20:29:41 < ReadErr> the dongs + browsertabs shit
2018-04-17T20:29:43 < ReadErr> is hilarious
2018-04-17T20:30:02 < ReadErr> im the opposite, i get too many tabs, cant read them and open a new window
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2018-04-17T20:30:51 < antto> my firefox at the job currently has about over 400 tabs
2018-04-17T20:31:25 < antto> my mailbox is the first tab ;P~
2018-04-17T20:31:37 < antto> HOME and END buttons come to play
2018-04-17T20:32:42 < Rob235> oh nvm
2018-04-17T20:32:44 < Rob235> I see
2018-04-17T20:32:46 < Rob235> 8 is right
2018-04-17T20:33:22 < ReadErr> i use thegreatsuspender
2018-04-17T20:33:34 < ReadErr> that kills tabs that havent been used in an hour
2018-04-17T20:33:55 < antto> i just kill firefox
2018-04-17T20:34:35 < Steffanx> but i use tabs as bookmarks.. i dont want em closed
2018-04-17T20:35:30 < ReadErr> it doesnt close em
2018-04-17T20:35:45 < Rob235> where does HSE value goes
2018-04-17T20:35:48 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/oCJpYNcB/image.png
2018-04-17T20:35:51 < ReadErr> it just does that
2018-04-17T20:36:07 < antto> i mean, i kill firefox and restore the session, then the tabs are all there but the pages aren't all loaded
2018-04-17T20:36:13 < antto> i got just 2GB ram there
2018-04-17T20:36:18  * antto hides
2018-04-17T20:36:20 < ReadErr> oh pfff
2018-04-17T20:36:33 < ReadErr> 32 minimum, ya, i use chrome
2018-04-17T20:36:35 < ReadErr> come at me
2018-04-17T20:36:45 < antto> THAT'S YOUR FAULT!
2018-04-17T20:36:54 < antto> SUFFER NAO
2018-04-17T20:37:45 < dongs> ReadErr: you have leet vmware axxs right
2018-04-17T20:37:49 < ReadErr> i made a good investment in ddr4
2018-04-17T20:37:53 < dongs> when 6.7 comes out can you grab me an iso
2018-04-17T20:37:58 < ReadErr> back when it was 1/3rd the price
2018-04-17T20:37:59 < ReadErr> dongs: ya
2018-04-17T20:38:04 < ReadErr> whens it come out
2018-04-17T20:38:05 < ReadErr> and
2018-04-17T20:38:11 < ReadErr> are they adding back the desktop client?
2018-04-17T20:38:12 < dongs> announcement was like 3 hour ago on site
2018-04-17T20:38:15 < dongs> downloads are uh.. failing
2018-04-17T20:38:19 < dongs> "SORRY UNSPECIFIED ERROR"
2018-04-17T20:38:21 < antto> my stuff only supports DDR2
2018-04-17T20:38:28 < dongs> but my login can't download vsphere shiy anyway
2018-04-17T20:38:29 < ReadErr> im on 6.0 because i refuse to fuckin go web only client
2018-04-17T20:38:32 < dongs> lol
2018-04-17T20:38:33 < ReadErr> they can fuckoff with that trash
2018-04-17T20:38:35 < dongs> fucking web trash
2018-04-17T20:38:53 < dongs> weeb only client
2018-04-17T20:38:54 < dongs> ok bedtime
2018-04-17T20:39:02 < ReadErr> ill grab it later today
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2018-04-17T20:39:47 < antto> the next time i buy a comput0r (some time in the distant future) it will probably a ryzen ;P~
2018-04-17T20:39:57 < ReadErr> god, kys
2018-04-17T20:40:21 < dongs> enjoy your threadNIGGER
2018-04-17T20:40:27 < antto> hahaah
2018-04-17T20:40:31 < dongs> (its nigger cuz it doesnt work, geddit?)
2018-04-17T20:40:38 < zyp> sup?
2018-04-17T20:40:44 < zyp> dongs, what are you doing up still?
2018-04-17T20:40:57 < dongs> im innovating so the time is like -1
2018-04-17T20:41:17  * antto spits out his coffee
2018-04-17T20:41:19 < zyp> still almost 2AM
2018-04-17T20:41:21 < antto> pffff
2018-04-17T20:42:08 < antto> wut timezone is that?
2018-04-17T20:42:19 < dongs> shitty east asia time
2018-04-17T20:42:30 < antto> dafuq are you doing there
2018-04-17T20:42:38 < antto> besides innovating
2018-04-17T20:42:40 < dongs> tracking down botwu
2018-04-17T20:42:44 < antto> hahaah
2018-04-17T20:43:04 < dongs> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iiKn5Iwk/image.png need to get "her" to pose for some pics like this
2018-04-17T20:43:23 < antto> DAFUQ
2018-04-17T20:43:30 < dongs> to promote female make:r
2018-04-17T20:43:34 < antto> that's not a pen
2018-04-17T20:43:51 < antto> fingers == ded
2018-04-17T20:43:54 < dongs> there's nothign on that board in that spot that's solderable by that soldering iron either
2018-04-17T20:44:18 < zyp> pff, just work on your technique
2018-04-17T20:44:34 < antto> maybe she's trying to melt the white plastic on the connector, don't just assume she's soldering
2018-04-17T20:44:57 < dongs> and whats in the background of that pic
2018-04-17T20:45:00 < dongs> looks like a fucking kitchen
2018-04-17T20:45:22 < antto> it's a SMT kitchen ya know
2018-04-17T20:47:20 < dongs> ok innovation over bedtime
2018-04-17T20:48:14 < antto> tomorrow: ground breaking
2018-04-17T20:48:22 < antto> with something pneumatic
2018-04-17T20:51:22 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/r6BlmLgx/image.png
2018-04-17T20:51:29 < ReadErr> check out my new debitcard
2018-04-17T20:51:37 < ReadErr> meow
2018-04-17T20:51:51 < Steffanx> can you show the other side too?
2018-04-17T20:52:03 < ReadErr> nah they dont let me do that one :(
2018-04-17T20:52:11  * antto zooms in to see teh.. uhm.. pixels
2018-04-17T20:52:19 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/T6fSH3CW/image.png
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2018-04-17T20:52:28 < ReadErr> thats the original one but it got rejected
2018-04-17T20:52:30 < ReadErr> somehow
2018-04-17T20:53:32 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/l2WX439y/image.png
2018-04-17T20:54:34 < Rob235> so I think I just about have my stdPeriph project set up except for startup.  why do I have a startup_stm32f40xx.s file instead of .c?
2018-04-17T20:55:45 < englishman> sigh
2018-04-17T20:55:57 < englishman> last-minute change to this design that already saw production murders EMI
2018-04-17T20:56:38 < antto> Rob235 i don't even have startup code :~(
2018-04-17T20:56:43 < antto> nor a chip
2018-04-17T20:56:55 < Rob235> what are you doing?
2018-04-17T20:57:06 < antto> nuthin yet
2018-04-17T20:57:26 < Rob235> waiting on something or just learning until you do
2018-04-17T20:57:28 < englishman> startup code is in assembly
2018-04-17T20:57:36 < antto> the boss thinks we're switching to arm cortex ;P~
2018-04-17T20:57:59 < englishman> from avr?
2018-04-17T20:58:03 < antto> yeah
2018-04-17T20:58:36 < antto> i told him i'll have to read a ton of stuff just before i can even say whether i can do this
2018-04-17T20:58:39 < englishman> better late than never
2018-04-17T21:00:16 < antto> but after a bunch of distractions i'm actually coding a bootloader for xmega (there will be more distractions in the comming days)
2018-04-17T21:00:45 < antto> at worst i will have an incomplete bootloader, at best a working bootloader
2018-04-17T21:02:24 < antto> with stm32 i think i managed to get the C++ working (compiling an example main()) but the startup code is completely missing
2018-04-17T21:03:08 < antto> f*ck that, nobody actually knows exactly what features this thing has to have
2018-04-17T21:04:20 < antto> that's the real problem, i only suspected that the required new features will demand more RAM and cpu time so we'll have to switch to the more expencive xmega but it might still not cut it, and there's no going up from there
2018-04-17T21:05:02 < antto> so someone said "let's switch to arm korteks, woohoo"
2018-04-17T21:05:19 < antto> that someone doesn't do neither the coding, nor the PCBs >:(
2018-04-17T21:06:05 < antto> (he doesn't even solder properly, he uses the iron with solder like a f*cking paintbrush)
2018-04-17T21:09:50 < con3> curious what you guys are using to code the stm's? cube ?hal? LL? Want to get an idea of what people in industry use as someone still stuck in uni
2018-04-17T21:13:19 < Steffanx> fuck AVR antto.
2018-04-17T21:13:29 < Steffanx> heil cortex-m
2018-04-17T21:16:58 < PaulFertser> con3: some people use st's hal, some chibios, some other rtoses, some libopencm3, some write their own library or use registers directly.
2018-04-17T21:17:43 < PaulFertser> con3: some are using IvoryTower with Haskell: https://smaccmpilot.org/
2018-04-17T21:18:05 < Steffanx> I only know one doing that ^ :P
2018-04-17T21:18:21 < tpw_rules> anyone on the rust badnwagon yet
2018-04-17T21:19:46 < Steffanx> Ohsix.
2018-04-17T21:19:55 < con3> PaulFertser: Thank you for the reply! I've been on stm's community forum and a lot of the more senior people seem to hate HAL, so I always wondered if they coded everything using cmsis or something, cause all I've known so far is hal. but I can definetly see that it's not very efficient code. I think my next step would be writing my own library that directly interfaces with the registers, just to get my hands a little more dirty
2018-04-17T21:20:30 < PaulFertser> con3: please consider contributing to libopencm3 instead ;)
2018-04-17T21:21:06 < PaulFertser> Or stm32plus if you prefer C++. There're also Rust libraries available.
2018-04-17T21:22:10 < con3> I'll have a look at stm32plus and libopencm3 :) thanks!
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2018-04-17T21:23:37 < con3> libopen looks like its quite a bit ahead of stm32+
2018-04-17T21:28:58 < invzim> he, so amazon does FreeRtos and now Microsoft does Azure Sphere OS based on lunix
2018-04-17T21:31:24 < srk> rust looks pretty immature/clumsy compared to ivory tower
2018-04-17T21:32:09 < srk> they support more hardware due to svd2rust but the bindings are not pretty
2018-04-17T21:32:51 < srk> no high level stuff like coroutines, schedule
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2018-04-17T21:35:56 < srk> coroutines are sick for drivers, you can write code like spiSend "something" and then wait for response with yield which will suspend the execution until response is built in spi driver
2018-04-17T21:36:40 < srk> with schedule you take number of such tasks and let them work on the same shared bus like spi
2018-04-17T21:37:13 < srk> schedule will then handle marshalling requests and waking tasks
2018-04-17T21:37:37 < PaulFertser> srk: what do you think about http://blog.japaric.io/rtfm-v2/ ?
2018-04-17T21:38:22 < PaulFertser> srk: btw, how advanced are the needed Haskell skills to start using IvoryTower in a sane way?
2018-04-17T21:38:29 < srk> rtfm::atomic(unsafe { &mut rtfm::Threshold::new(0) }, |_t| unsafe {
2018-04-17T21:38:32 < srk> hm
2018-04-17T21:39:08 < srk> PaulFertser: basics, IMO you can play with it even if you never saw haskell
2018-04-17T21:39:31 < srk> http://48.io/~rmarko/book/
2018-04-17T21:40:07 < tpw_rules> coroutines are so good
2018-04-17T21:40:43 < srk> introductory section is mostly done, nice thing about tower (which is realtime framework built in ivory) that it is based on hoare monitors https://www.cs.indiana.edu/%7Elepike/pub_pages/acsd17.html
2018-04-17T21:41:36 < srk> concurrency for free
2018-04-17T21:41:42 < srk> (safe concurrency)
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2018-04-17T21:43:10 < srk> like rust ppl could use this for great deal of inspiration
2018-04-17T21:43:55 < PaulFertser> The RTFM guy claims to provide nice concurrency without extra overhead too.
2018-04-17T21:45:45 < srk> In the next example we’ll merge the previous loopback and blinky programs into one. The resulting program will run the two tasks concurrently. As there’s no data sharing because each task uses different resources merging the two programs is straightforward.
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2018-04-17T21:47:05 < srk> with tower, you can define local state in monitors and sharing of state is only possible via channels
2018-04-17T21:48:11 < srk> so when e.g. timer generates periodic bool message which the monitor handles, its local state is locked with mutex and callback called
2018-04-17T21:49:16 < srk> fun thing is that these two are not necessarily tasks (like freertos tasks) but can be chained with simple callbacks in one task
2018-04-17T21:51:36 < PaulFertser> con3: ^^ that's what you should be doing at the uni ;)
2018-04-17T21:52:03 < srk> not sharing data (like having a global state) is quite big deal, you write your whole program as a chain of blocks talking to each other via channels
2018-04-17T21:52:13 < srk> and these blocks can have a local state if needed
2018-04-17T21:52:37 < srk> more stream processing oriented I would say
2018-04-17T21:53:52 < srk> also bit/register manipulation and serialization are top notch
2018-04-17T21:55:41 < srk> https://github.com/GaloisInc/ivory-tower-stm32/blob/master/ivory-bsp-stm32/src/Ivory/BSP/STM32/Peripheral/ATIM18/Regs.hs
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2018-04-17T21:57:44 < srk> compared to svd2rust some fields are expanded so you don't have to put bits into these https://github.com/GaloisInc/ivory-tower-stm32/blob/master/ivory-bsp-stm32/src/Ivory/BSP/STM32/Peripheral/ATIM18/RegTypes.hs
2018-04-17T21:58:22 < srk> svd files don't have this information but it's part of the datasheet which I'll hope I can parse as well thanks to pdf2text :D
2018-04-17T21:58:31 < Steffanx> Such weird language.
2018-04-17T21:58:45 < srk> it's actually a quasi-quoter, not acutal haskell
2018-04-17T21:59:12 < srk> quasi-quoter allows you to have your own languages embedded inside haskell file that generate haskell via template haskell :)
2018-04-17T21:59:18 < Steffanx> meh.
2018-04-17T22:00:36 < srk> this is used to generate all the boilerplate and interface so you write code like https://github.com/distrap/ivory-tower-drivers/blob/master/src/Ivory/Tower/Drivers/PWM/ATIM.hs#L58
2018-04-17T22:00:45 < srk> *you can
2018-04-17T22:00:48 < PaulFertser> Type-checked at compile time!
2018-04-17T22:01:11 < srk> this
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2018-04-17T22:03:38 < Steffanx> Is that the usual way to do comments?
2018-04-17T22:03:56 < Steffanx> or is that some hinting stuff?
2018-04-17T22:04:09 < srk> hinting, propagated to C code
2018-04-17T22:04:25 < srk> normal comments are --
2018-04-17T22:04:27 < srk> -- comment
2018-04-17T22:06:02 < srk> ends up in hardware init like http://lpaste.net/4380418406248087552
2018-04-17T22:06:44 < con3> PaulFertser: Think I'm a little lost what you meant I should be doing at uni :p ? contributing to git repositories?
2018-04-17T22:07:02 < srk> con3: doing progressive stuff like ivory tower :D
2018-04-17T22:07:28 < Steffanx> lol.
2018-04-17T22:07:49 < con3> which I was clever enough to be doing that!
2018-04-17T22:07:53 < con3> one day!
2018-04-17T22:08:33 < PaulFertser> Some rationale and examples for QQ: http://www.cs.tufts.edu/comp/150PLD/Papers/QuasiQuotation.pdf
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2018-04-17T22:11:42 < kakimir> I want haskell my cortex chips
2018-04-17T22:12:19 < kakimir> just for the lulz
2018-04-17T22:14:27 < srk> for the lulz is actually pretty good reason to try it :D
2018-04-17T22:14:38 < zyp> jpa-, your scons tool seems to work fine, have you considered moving it out of the tests dir?
2018-04-17T22:14:42 < srk> might surprise you :D
2018-04-17T22:18:40 < kakimir> I tried haskell once and realized it does pretty much nothing that I want
2018-04-17T22:19:31 < kakimir> first thing to try with haskell is high performance opengl graphics
2018-04-17T22:19:51 < kakimir> not any piss poor wrapper but tight self made wrapper
2018-04-17T22:20:24 < kakimir> I remember there was like opengl 1.4 wrapper available back then
2018-04-17T22:27:05  * srk recently wrote https://github.com/distrap/liveplot/
2018-04-17T22:27:18 < srk> uses andromeda to generate shaders https://github.com/distrap/liveplot/blob/master/src/Graphics/Liveplot/Shaders.hs
2018-04-17T22:27:21 < srk> fun stuff
2018-04-17T22:27:49 < kakimir> hmm
2018-04-17T22:28:11 < kakimir> did you use C wrapper or how did you use opengl?
2018-04-17T22:29:11 < srk> https://github.com/distrap/liveplot/blob/master/src/Graphics/Liveplot/Window.hs#L47
2018-04-17T22:29:36 < srk> Graphics.UI.GLFW Graphics.Rendering.OpenGL Graphics.GLUtil.Camera2D
2018-04-17T22:29:50 < kakimir> is it all shaders rendering?
2018-04-17T22:29:56 < srk> y
2018-04-17T22:29:59 < kakimir> or do you have some primitive.. okay
2018-04-17T22:30:09 < kakimir> that is like - the modern way
2018-04-17T22:30:26 < srk> line https://github.com/distrap/liveplot/blob/master/src/Graphics/Liveplot/Line.hs
2018-04-17T22:30:34 < srk> yeah, wanted to try
2018-04-17T22:30:39 < srk> I kind-of liked the old way
2018-04-17T22:30:43 < srk> this is more nasty
2018-04-17T22:30:54 < kakimir> certainly
2018-04-17T22:33:46 < kakimir> I think I got to drawing graphics with haskell
2018-04-17T22:33:55 < kakimir> it was almost as slow as python
2018-04-17T22:35:32 < srk> I did qt+gl+pyqtgraph for cnc drawing, want to rewrite that in haskell with something like https://github.com/IceDragon200/oui-blendish
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2018-04-17T22:35:49 < srk> or exactly blendish (with FFI)
2018-04-17T22:36:28 < srk> s/cnc drawing/cnc control interface for pcb milling/
2018-04-17T22:36:41 < srk> http://48.io/~rmarko/hc/hc0.jpg
2018-04-17T22:36:47 < srk> http://48.io/~rmarko/hc/hc1.jpg
2018-04-17T22:37:08 < srk> http://48.io/~rmarko/hc/hc2.jpg
2018-04-17T22:37:52 < kakimir> like.. even like 100k polygons with python without proper C backend drops framerate to like 1fps
2018-04-17T22:37:55 < kakimir> doesn't it?
2018-04-17T22:38:17 < kakimir> this was in 2008 but same applies
2018-04-17T22:38:23 < srk> probably, I managed to load some big stls with assimp
2018-04-17T22:38:33 < kakimir> stls?
2018-04-17T22:38:42 < srk> STL (3d models)
2018-04-17T22:39:25 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-17T22:39:30 < kakimir> assimp?
2018-04-17T22:39:46 < BrainDamage> it's a 3d model loader lib
2018-04-17T22:39:51 < karlp> ReadErr: yar, was buying ram for my new pc recently, was like, "wtf, when did ram get so many $$$?!"
2018-04-17T22:40:26 < ReadErr> ya man its wild
2018-04-17T22:40:30 < ReadErr> i was looking at building a new rig
2018-04-17T22:40:33 < zyp> how much is ram nowadays?
2018-04-17T22:40:45 < ReadErr> then saw ddr4 was like 3x what i paid before, f'that
2018-04-17T22:40:54 < zyp> IIRC last I bought ram, 32G was around 2k NOK
2018-04-17T22:41:01 < ReadErr> i want to say 64gb would cost like ~900$ now
2018-04-17T22:41:09 < ReadErr> of corsair or reputable mfg
2018-04-17T22:41:12 < kakimir> srk, why not c++?
2018-04-17T22:41:15 < zyp> 2k NOK is about $260
2018-04-17T22:41:17 < ReadErr> or was a bit back anyways
2018-04-17T22:41:26 < ReadErr> its gone up a bunch zyp
2018-04-17T22:41:31 < zyp> huh
2018-04-17T22:41:40 < srk> kakimir: cause haskell..
2018-04-17T22:41:51 < zyp> good thing I went all out with 32G years ago then, still don't feel the need to upgrade
2018-04-17T22:42:48 < kakimir> srk, oh good
2018-04-17T22:43:00 < ReadErr> zyp: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/UBwPvXyx/image.png
2018-04-17T22:43:41 < zyp> what's that?
2018-04-17T22:43:45 < kakimir> srk, very sexy interface btw.
2018-04-17T22:43:52 < karlp> "use blue_pill:blah" ? what? is it seriouisly shipping like that?
2018-04-17T22:44:14 < kakimir> I'm lusting for that certainly
2018-04-17T22:44:36 < srk> :)
2018-04-17T22:44:36 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0134EW7G8/
2018-04-17T22:44:39 < ReadErr> those kits
2018-04-17T22:45:00 < ReadErr> its actually going back down
2018-04-17T22:45:16 < ReadErr> but i paid 75$ each
2018-04-17T22:45:31 < ReadErr> 4 of Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3000MHz (PC4-24000) C15 Memory Kit - Black (CMK16GX4M2B3000C15)
2018-04-17T22:45:31 < ReadErr> Sold by: Amazon.com Services, Inc. $74.99
2018-04-17T22:46:08 < karlp> I just bought 32gig, paid,... 315€ for 2x16gig
2018-04-17T22:46:42 < ReadErr> i did kinda want to build a new machine
2018-04-17T22:46:54 < ReadErr> but not 2 months ago with the prices they way they are
2018-04-17T22:49:00 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/yCVWSHRv/image.png
2018-04-17T22:49:14 < ReadErr> cpu is old but still plenty powerful for what i need
2018-04-17T22:51:25 < kakimir> where are all your cores?
2018-04-17T22:51:38 < kakimir> there should be seperate graphs for all of them
2018-04-17T22:51:59 < Steffanx> That's optional kakimir
2018-04-17T22:52:05 < kakimir> wait where is that now
2018-04-17T22:52:07 < kakimir> I had it
2018-04-17T22:52:07 < Steffanx> It's all about settings
2018-04-17T22:52:11 < kakimir> now it's not there
2018-04-17T22:52:15 < Steffanx> right click the graph
2018-04-17T22:52:31 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OklxmNWU/image.png
2018-04-17T22:52:33 < ReadErr> there :p
2018-04-17T22:52:44 < ReadErr> logical vs overall
2018-04-17T22:53:13 < aandrew> ReadErr: nice cores
2018-04-17T22:53:33 < ReadErr> ya aint no basic kabycake bitch here
2018-04-17T22:53:39 < ReadErr> need that width
2018-04-17T22:55:54 < kakimir> my skylake has liquid metal.. biatch
2018-04-17T22:59:10 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lsqxLiC8/image.png
2018-04-17T22:59:16 < ReadErr> this one is only a 2600k
2018-04-17T22:59:18 < ReadErr> which is super old
2018-04-17T22:59:34 < tpw_rules> gtx1080, rockin that egpu support eh?
2018-04-17T22:59:35 < ReadErr> but other than that its still pretty capable in RAM and gfx
2018-04-17T22:59:48 < ReadErr> 1060
2018-04-17T22:59:54 < tpw_rules> oh. i don't know how to read
2018-04-17T22:59:59 < ReadErr> poor persons card ;)
2018-04-17T23:00:12 < ReadErr> I got 2 of em tho split between machines
2018-04-17T23:00:38 < ReadErr> i do want another 34" curved display tho
2018-04-17T23:00:41 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W-_VC6OenTEDCqC94HQnGUivVtZMITqN/view?usp=sharing
2018-04-17T23:00:45 < ReadErr> that might be my next purchase
2018-04-17T23:01:01 < ReadErr> holy fuck
2018-04-17T23:01:08 < ReadErr> that translation tho
2018-04-17T23:01:16 < Steffanx> haha, finnish <3
2018-04-17T23:02:14 < kakimir> and that guise - is my best computer
2018-04-17T23:02:21 < kakimir> check the spec
2018-04-17T23:02:24 < ReadErr> 8gb
2018-04-17T23:02:28 < ReadErr> bless ur heart
2018-04-17T23:02:40 < ReadErr> my 7 year old macbook pro has 16 atleast
2018-04-17T23:02:46 < ReadErr> dont u love ur machine?
2018-04-17T23:03:03 < kakimir> well.. what do I really need more than 8?
2018-04-17T23:03:23 < kakimir> I ran out of processing power before that
2018-04-17T23:03:51 < kakimir> 6GB used - 30tabs in browser open
2018-04-17T23:04:55 < Steffanx> Is that actually 12 cores or 6 + HT, ReadErr?
2018-04-17T23:05:00 < kakimir> lemme check.. yeah - kicad is like 300-400MB with project open
2018-04-17T23:05:04 < kakimir> all kood
2018-04-17T23:05:08 < ReadErr> 6 with HT
2018-04-17T23:05:18 < ReadErr> but its 2011 socket
2018-04-17T23:05:28 < ReadErr> so its got more pci-e lanes and memory lanes
2018-04-17T23:05:34 < ReadErr> but not on CPU GPU
2018-04-17T23:05:37 < Steffanx> hmm, your 1060 works on os x?
2018-04-17T23:05:43 < ReadErr> ya
2018-04-17T23:05:45 < Steffanx> hackintosh i assume?
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2018-04-17T23:05:48 < ReadErr> works 100% great infact
2018-04-17T23:05:55 < ReadErr> i just install nvidia official driver
2018-04-17T23:06:00 < ReadErr> boom boom, done
2018-04-17T23:06:05 < ReadErr> oh ya so funny story
2018-04-17T23:06:15 < Steffanx> I did that too, but ... after sleep it wakes up with no gfx acceleration
2018-04-17T23:06:16 < ReadErr> i was putting esxi on my thinkserver
2018-04-17T23:06:28 < Steffanx> and THAT is fucking annoying.
2018-04-17T23:06:30 < ReadErr> and had a SSD installed that i previously used as a hackintosh backup
2018-04-17T23:06:37 < ReadErr> and i shit you not
2018-04-17T23:06:42 < ReadErr> that thinkserver booted it 100%
2018-04-17T23:06:45 < Steffanx> :)
2018-04-17T23:06:47 < ReadErr> completely different hardware
2018-04-17T23:06:51 < Steffanx> lucky you.
2018-04-17T23:06:58 < Steffanx> my installation breaks with every update.
2018-04-17T23:07:07 < ReadErr> hmm really?
2018-04-17T23:07:09 < ReadErr> between majors?
2018-04-17T23:07:13 < ReadErr> or minor
2018-04-17T23:07:32 < Steffanx> Both.
2018-04-17T23:08:03 < ReadErr> you can clone using superduper to an image
2018-04-17T23:08:11 < ReadErr> and actually do it in vmware fusion
2018-04-17T23:08:32 < ReadErr> however ive not had any issues really when doing minors, im still not sold on 10.13
2018-04-17T23:08:44 < ReadErr> the filesystem changes
2018-04-17T23:08:50 < Steffanx> i think i cant even boot the 10.13 installer atm.
2018-04-17T23:09:06 < Steffanx> it's in the boot selector but.. it wont boot and still too lazy to fix :)
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2018-04-17T23:09:28 < ReadErr> but ya try the imaging thing, i use that to test my before actually doing it 'irl'
2018-04-17T23:09:32 < Steffanx> Went to ##stm32 approved os instead
2018-04-17T23:09:45 < kakimir> go to ##stm32 for approval
2018-04-17T23:09:48 < ReadErr> lunix?
2018-04-17T23:09:55 < Steffanx> but it's my hw that does it. need some special exts to boot
2018-04-17T23:10:03 < Steffanx> and those get removed with the updates -_-
2018-04-17T23:10:19 < ReadErr> i got kali on my windows10s
2018-04-17T23:10:24 < ReadErr> me hax0r
2018-04-17T23:10:42 < Steffanx> kali on windows? Using that bash on windows on ubuntu stuff?
2018-04-17T23:10:45 < Steffanx> -ubuntu
2018-04-17T23:11:09 < ReadErr> yea you can get kali
2018-04-17T23:11:13 < ReadErr> from the windows store now lol
2018-04-17T23:11:14 < Steffanx> Does it actually work properly?
2018-04-17T23:11:17 < ReadErr> ya
2018-04-17T23:11:25 < Steffanx> im surprised.
2018-04-17T23:11:32 < ReadErr> i dont use the X stuff much tho
2018-04-17T23:11:37 < ReadErr> but you could xrdp to it
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2018-04-17T23:11:51 < ReadErr> god xrdp is so much better than shitty vnc
2018-04-17T23:13:32 < Steffanx> Are you sure?
2018-04-17T23:13:52 < aandrew> yes
2018-04-17T23:13:57 < aandrew> RDP is far superior, I am sad to say
2018-04-17T23:14:11 < ReadErr> 100%
2018-04-17T23:14:15 < Steffanx> i mean: https://imgur.com/a/TIBTh
2018-04-17T23:14:17 < ReadErr> xrdp is fuckin sex
2018-04-17T23:14:23 < aandrew> old Nomachine NX was pretty fucking awesome too, particularly becuase it allowed you to export a single application rather than the whole screen
2018-04-17T23:14:25 < ReadErr> if you need to X on lunix remotely
2018-04-17T23:14:47 < ReadErr> i think xrdp is better than nomachine, but not used nomachine in years
2018-04-17T23:16:38 < aandrew> old nomachine was good, have not tried xrdp in a loooooong time
2018-04-17T23:16:45 < aandrew> I should spin that shit up
2018-04-17T23:17:08 < ReadErr> with the new enhancements its just as good as windows rdp
2018-04-17T23:18:18 < aandrew> gonna check it out
2018-04-17T23:20:10 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZFM07L6P/image.png
2018-04-17T23:20:22 < ReadErr> everything is just sharper and less artifacts than vnc though
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2018-04-17T23:24:48 < aandrew> of course
2018-04-17T23:24:57 < aandrew> you're sending the actual draw commands, not scraping the screen
2018-04-17T23:25:15 < ReadErr> funny how theres been like 0 progress on vnc tho lol
2018-04-17T23:25:20 < ReadErr> for the past decade
2018-04-17T23:25:50 < BrainDamage> nomachine is now x2go
2018-04-17T23:26:07 < aandrew> nomachine is still arond
2018-04-17T23:26:08 < aandrew> around
2018-04-17T23:26:09 < ReadErr> nomachine had an odd quirk
2018-04-17T23:26:20 < aandrew> you can't progress much with vnc, it's by design a scraper
2018-04-17T23:26:22 < ReadErr> that prevented modifier keys from being passed over synergy
2018-04-17T23:26:27 < aandrew> I think they did try to capture events at one point
2018-04-17T23:26:27 < ReadErr> into a vm
2018-04-17T23:26:33 < ReadErr> or remote machine rather
2018-04-17T23:39:45 < stvn> Crypto dogs
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2018-04-17T23:58:51 < kakimir> have you cross powered mikrotik devices with ubiquiti poe adapters and vica versa?
2018-04-17T23:59:35 < ReadErr> mikrodik
2018-04-17T23:59:37 < ReadErr> worst
2018-04-17T23:59:55 < stvn> Get stm32 mate
2018-04-17T23:59:57 < ReadErr> so many compromised mikrodik routes in the wild
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2018-04-18T00:00:08 < kakimir> why?
2018-04-18T00:00:11 < kakimir> user error?
2018-04-18T00:00:25 < ReadErr> tons of RCE
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2018-04-18T00:01:21 < kakimir> please open term RCE for me
2018-04-18T00:01:35 < kakimir> stvn, hi honey
2018-04-18T00:02:12 < stvn> Hiiiiiii
2018-04-18T00:02:30 < ReadErr> remote code execution
2018-04-18T00:02:35 < stvn> Have you got my money for child support this week?
2018-04-18T00:02:44 < stvn> Only $1265
2018-04-18T00:02:45 < kakimir> no
2018-04-18T00:02:50 < ReadErr> lil Steffanx needs his struaffels
2018-04-18T00:03:01 < kakimir> I have yet to receive the first payment
2018-04-18T00:03:04 < ReadErr> u dont want him to go hungry do you?
2018-04-18T00:03:06 < zyp> jpa-, do you have any sort of support for this stuff in nanopb? https://developers.google.com/protocol-buffers/docs/proto#services
2018-04-18T00:03:13 < stvn> He needs a good dicking
2018-04-18T00:03:26 < stvn> From Taiwan ladyboy
2018-04-18T00:04:17 < kakimir> ReadErr, can you disable all that shiet?
2018-04-18T00:04:29 < ReadErr> theres probably updates
2018-04-18T00:04:32 < ReadErr> but who does that??
2018-04-18T00:04:53 < ReadErr> https://mashable.com/2018/04/17/russian-router-warning-us-uk/ <-- related
2018-04-18T00:05:03 < kakimir> I did for all my ubiquitis
2018-04-18T00:05:32 < ReadErr> what ubiquitis u have
2018-04-18T00:05:46 < kakimir> lemme see
2018-04-18T00:05:46 < ReadErr> i got a an ER-X im not using but will install someday
2018-04-18T00:06:05 < kakimir> what code is executed where ReadErr ?
2018-04-18T00:06:38 < ReadErr> https://www.google.com/search?q=exploit-db+mikrotik
2018-04-18T00:06:41 < ReadErr> see for youself lol
2018-04-18T00:06:42 < ReadErr> tons
2018-04-18T00:06:45 < kakimir> loco M2
2018-04-18T00:06:47 < kakimir> and
2018-04-18T00:06:54 < ReadErr> some as of march 2018
2018-04-18T00:07:11 < stvn> Wtf is mikrotik
2018-04-18T00:07:12 < kakimir> was there some.. powerbeam?
2018-04-18T00:07:25 < ReadErr> https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/44284/
2018-04-18T00:07:26 < kakimir> with 400mm plate
2018-04-18T00:07:33 < kakimir> M2 also
2018-04-18T00:09:18 < kakimir> https://store.ubnt.com/products/powerbeam-m2-400mm-us yes
2018-04-18T00:09:19 < kakimir> this
2018-04-18T00:09:49 < Steffanx> Hallo stvn
2018-04-18T00:09:56 < stvn> Hiiii
2018-04-18T00:10:06 < stvn> Tey Lang
2018-04-18T00:10:19 < stvn> 30mins cheep cheep
2018-04-18T00:10:34 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qp0RV4WNjvHNCFLq8mEqHOSavppvk6dR?usp=sharing locos
2018-04-18T00:10:39 < kakimir> 70meters apart
2018-04-18T00:10:52 < zyp> I'm tempted to get a pair of nanobeam ACs
2018-04-18T00:12:09 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1H0fgfSsgo3SoDJTeN2JTkDw7A4CM99zh?usp=sharing and that 400mm M2 is over 500meters away connecting to one of locos
2018-04-18T00:12:31 < zyp> not sure what for, just seems convenient to have a pair for whenever I need to throw up a temporary link or something
2018-04-18T00:13:23 < kakimir> don't simplify your life too much
2018-04-18T00:13:46 < kakimir> you end up running out of reasons to do mad stuff
2018-04-18T00:14:05 < zyp> :p
2018-04-18T00:14:23 < zyp> alternatively I could grab a pair of ac locos, they are a little bit cheaper
2018-04-18T00:14:51 < zyp> but there's not much point if the performance won't be worth it
2018-04-18T00:15:05 < kakimir> hmm
2018-04-18T00:15:27 < kakimir> should update ubiquitis because of KRACK exploit or whatever it's called
2018-04-18T00:17:26 < kakimir> https://www.eurodk.com/en/products/mikrotik-cap/routerboard-cap-ac i'm lookin at this
2018-04-18T00:17:47 < kakimir> it's behind nat and there is little to no suspicious activity in the network
2018-04-18T00:17:58 < kakimir> basically for grandma
2018-04-18T00:18:08 < stvn> Pot
2018-04-18T00:18:57 < kakimir> jeez mikrodick is mad with naming schemes
2018-04-18T00:19:11 < kakimir> RBcAPGi-5acD2nD
2018-04-18T00:19:50 < zyp> I'm not a big fan of the mikrotik software
2018-04-18T00:20:35 < kakimir> I thought this place was ##microdik32
2018-04-18T00:20:46 < zyp> mikrotik have cute cheap hardware, but I prefer the ubnt software
2018-04-18T00:20:51 < kakimir> oh
2018-04-18T00:21:01 < kakimir> that is what I'm lookin at too
2018-04-18T00:21:30 < kakimir> ubiquiti that I'm looking at is about 90euros
2018-04-18T00:21:50 < kakimir> https://www.eurodk.com/en/products/indoor-ap/unifi-ac-long-range
2018-04-18T00:22:04 < zyp> for router and ap, I'm going with ubnt without a question
2018-04-18T00:22:22 < zyp> but for switches, ubnt doesn't have anything cheap/small with 10G
2018-04-18T00:22:41 < kakimir> naming scheme and "cute cheap hardware" suggest they never were a company for full blown products but little cute things
2018-04-18T00:23:00 < Steffanx> What? Who kakimir ?!
2018-04-18T00:24:02 < zyp> https://www.eurodk.com/en/products/24-ports/cloud-router-switch-328-24p-4s-rm <- this shit looks like a nice «do everything» switch
2018-04-18T00:24:29 < Steffanx> And cheapish.
2018-04-18T00:24:42 < zyp> 4x10G and a bunch of 1G ports with both standard and proprietary PoE
2018-04-18T00:24:53 < kakimir> damn it's cheap
2018-04-18T00:25:22 < stvn> How cheap
2018-04-18T00:25:32 < stvn> I didn’t spot the price
2018-04-18T00:25:33 < kakimir> Damn!
2018-04-18T00:25:33 < Steffanx> Was tempted to buy.. but decided to wait a bit.
2018-04-18T00:25:50 < zyp> and then there's this: https://www.eurodk.com/en/products/16-ports/cloud-router-switch-317-1g-16srm
2018-04-18T00:26:23 < kakimir> stvn, 300 eurostan shekels
2018-04-18T00:26:39 < stvn> Nice
2018-04-18T00:27:15 < kakimir> 4 optic ports - doesn't those SFP+ modules alone cost like 100eur a pop
2018-04-18T00:27:48 < Steffanx> Not when you ebay them
2018-04-18T00:27:58 < Steffanx> Worked for me :P
2018-04-18T00:28:32 < kakimir> but like some name brand high profile product series
2018-04-18T00:29:01 < Steffanx> That website sells them for 45 e
2018-04-18T00:29:27 < Steffanx> I ebayed some intel ones, might be clones thougg
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2018-04-18T00:29:49 < kakimir> and they sent them from shanghai?
2018-04-18T00:30:07 < Steffanx> Not sure.
2018-04-18T00:30:23 < kakimir> took 3weeks?
2018-04-18T00:30:46 < kakimir> came in what looks like a garbage bag?
2018-04-18T00:30:56 < Steffanx> Not sure either, was like 1.5 years ago
2018-04-18T00:31:01 < zyp> a 10G-SR SFP+ is like $9 or something from fs.com
2018-04-18T00:31:29 < kakimir> not that expensives
2018-04-18T00:31:37 < kakimir> hmm
2018-04-18T00:31:43 < zyp> sorry, $16, it seems
2018-04-18T00:31:49 < zyp> https://www.fs.com/products/11589.html
2018-04-18T00:32:05 < Steffanx> Still cheap.
2018-04-18T00:32:08 < zyp> yeah
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2018-04-18T00:34:39 < kakimir> how gay I am when you all have SFP at home and I use rageberry pi3 as access point and timelly resort in using androidAP
2018-04-18T00:34:39 < kakimir> I need to up my game
2018-04-18T00:34:51 < zyp> you can also buy twinax cables for cheap as fuck: https://www.fs.com/c/10g-sfp-dac-1114
2018-04-18T00:35:16 < BrainDamage> you're not gay, you just have bad performance
2018-04-18T00:35:18 < zyp> at least if you have SFP+ in both ends
2018-04-18T00:35:25 < zyp> I got some XFP stuff too
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2018-04-18T00:37:55 < kakimir> zyp, I can't find 70meter burial type
2018-04-18T00:38:06 < zyp> wat?
2018-04-18T00:39:34 < kakimir> what really is the thing about SFP+?
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2018-04-18T00:41:30 < kakimir> I can get any type of cable with SC connector
2018-04-18T00:43:07 < kakimir> get china adaptors for cheap
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2018-04-18T00:43:42 < kakimir> why should I concider SFP+ for other reason than a router has it if you pay for it
2018-04-18T00:43:50 < zyp> wat
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2018-04-18T00:44:54 < zyp> kakimir, what alternatives are you comparing to?
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2018-04-18T00:47:03 < kakimir> there is no alternatives?
2018-04-18T00:47:33 < zyp> I'm not sure what the context for your question is
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2018-04-18T00:49:13 < zyp> simply put, if you want a switch with 10G, you're either getting 10GBASE-T ports or SFP+ ports
2018-04-18T00:49:28 < zyp> switches with 10GBASE-T is expensive, SFP+ is cheaper
2018-04-18T00:50:05 < kakimir> if I want to use fiber - I concider using it exposed to elements or buried - can those SFP+ connectors to connect stuff with fiber cable that is exposed to elements or buried?
2018-04-18T00:50:32 < kakimir> long distances like hundreds of meters
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2018-04-18T00:50:52 < zyp> SFP+ is a standardized slot to hold a fiber transceiver, so you put whatever fiber transceiver suits your purpose in the SFP+ port
2018-04-18T00:50:57 < kakimir> because those SFP+ connectors seem to be everywhere
2018-04-18T00:51:08 < zyp> and the transceiver will usually have a LC connector for the fibre cable itself
2018-04-18T00:51:43 < kakimir> hmmm
2018-04-18T00:52:47 < zyp> there's a bunch of different fiber techs, you select which one you want to use by picking a transceiver
2018-04-18T00:53:12 < kakimir> so what tech usually those 10G modules use?
2018-04-18T00:53:28 < zyp> the two basic ones are -SR (half a kilometer over multimode fiber) and -LR (tens of kilometers over singlemode fiber)
2018-04-18T00:53:35 < zyp> SR is generally cheapest
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2018-04-18T00:54:00 < kakimir> tranceiver or cable?
2018-04-18T00:54:06 < zyp> transceiver
2018-04-18T00:54:17 < kakimir> and way more expensive cable per meter?
2018-04-18T00:54:18 < zyp> singlemode cable is dirt cheap, it's the lasers that cost
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2018-04-18T00:54:31 < zyp> multimode cable is also cheap enough
2018-04-18T00:54:50 < kakimir> you use everything multimode?
2018-04-18T00:54:54 < zyp> yeah
2018-04-18T00:55:32 < zyp> I bought a box of various multimode patch cords on ebay once, turned out there were like forty cables in it
2018-04-18T00:55:39 < zyp> in various lengths
2018-04-18T00:56:03 < zyp> anyway, I'm going to bed now, have fun
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2018-04-18T00:58:53 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-18T01:02:50 < kakimir> oh you linked direct cables to be placed into SFP+ cages
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2018-04-18T01:05:33 < stvn> Hi Laurenceb___
2018-04-18T01:30:40 < karlp> heh, fixed half my spi problems last night, had halted one end, but forgot that I still basically had two ends driving as spi master.
2018-04-18T01:30:51 < karlp> now just need to figure out how make spi slave realllly work.
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2018-04-18T01:39:27 < karlp> ok, slave _sees_ the data, but doesn't write any.
2018-04-18T01:47:11 < karlp> heh, forgot to do a ++, was always writing zeros
2018-04-18T01:47:20 < karlp> neat enough for tonight then I guess.
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2018-04-18T02:01:57 < Rob235> life is good, switched to cube and now my rpi -> stm32 SPI slave is working
2018-04-18T02:05:11 < jadew> Laurenceb__'s image intrigued me earlier and apparently that's a thing: https://assets.rbl.ms/2593602/980x.jpg
2018-04-18T02:05:20 < jadew> I wonder why they're screaming tho
2018-04-18T02:05:24 < jadew> NSFW
2018-04-18T02:07:29 < aandrew> jadew: lol
2018-04-18T02:16:45 < Rob235> time to rewrite all my code for cube now
2018-04-18T02:18:21 < aandrew> cube rocks
2018-04-18T02:18:28 < aandrew> don't listen to these heathens
2018-04-18T02:18:44 < aandrew> I use cube for everything. it's got its warts like the others, but at least it's supported and current
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2018-04-18T02:20:17 < Rob235> yea I mean after figuring out the basics of setting up a project it really got things running very quickly
2018-04-18T02:20:41 < Rob235> the code it generates is slightly maze like but not terrible I guess
2018-04-18T02:23:13 < Laurenceb___> hello
2018-04-18T02:23:22 < Laurenceb___> I've been babby shakkin
2018-04-18T02:24:04 < Laurenceb___> need to filter muh harmonics
2018-04-18T02:24:29 < Laurenceb___> maybe some sort of comb filter type thingy...
2018-04-18T02:26:24 < Laurenceb___> atm I'm using a pll with a loop bandwidth of a few hz, so it locks after about 5hz
2018-04-18T02:26:41 < Laurenceb___> because the second harmonic is outside the passband
2018-04-18T02:27:12 < branjb> my mom just sent me a picture of me from 25 years ago, doing the trump hand signal
2018-04-18T02:27:14 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/Rtcu8
2018-04-18T02:27:16 < branjb> fucking lol
2018-04-18T02:27:16 < Laurenceb___> but I want it to track with vibration input with 1hz steps, so it needs >1hz to track
2018-04-18T02:27:20 < Laurenceb___> grrr
2018-04-18T02:27:21 < Laurenceb___> heh
2018-04-18T02:27:46 < Laurenceb___> maybe I could use log scaled frequency steps and adjust pll gain
2018-04-18T02:27:59 < Laurenceb___> so first is 1hz, then 1.2hz, 1.5hz etc
2018-04-18T02:30:12 < Rob235> how fast should I go with spi? 24 mhz?
2018-04-18T02:31:13 < Laurenceb___> what for? what size pcb?
2018-04-18T02:31:45 < Rob235> rpi to stm32f4 disco communication
2018-04-18T02:31:49 < steverrrr> that's pretty fast, brah
2018-04-18T02:32:23 < Rob235> I know, but if it can does it matter?
2018-04-18T02:32:39 < branjb> do you have a license for those EMFs
2018-04-18T02:32:43 < Rob235> Im upping the speed as I'm talking and sending the alphabet to see if it reads it correctly, i'm at 16mhz right now
2018-04-18T02:34:03 < Rob235> 24 worked but I guess I dont need it, I'll see how fast file transfers are later
2018-04-18T02:35:12 < steverrrr> what's your error handling protocol?
2018-04-18T02:36:02 < Rob235> nothing yet, I just got communication working, I still have to port all my code over from mbed to cube, then I'll beef up my communication stuff
2018-04-18T02:37:46 < Laurenceb___> hmf nobody knows much dsp here :(
2018-04-18T02:38:03 < Laurenceb___> I think I need some sort of filter that strips out the harmonics
2018-04-18T02:38:21 < steverrrr> matlab?
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2018-04-18T02:42:40 < Laurenceb___> yes
2018-04-18T02:42:57 < Laurenceb___> atm I'm just trimming out all data below 4hz
2018-04-18T02:43:32 < Laurenceb___> theres a vibration isolation system ontop of a shaker, with accelerometers either side of the system
2018-04-18T02:43:50 < Rickta59> i have a picture of my kid getting GWB signing his autograph book in early 2001 pre 9-11 .. at the time I thought GWB was a goofy clown .. not some evil idiot
2018-04-18T02:46:11 < steverrrr> what do you mean trimming?  you aren't using some kind of moving average filter?
2018-04-18T02:55:12 < Laurenceb___> 1 sec
2018-04-18T02:55:53 < Laurenceb___> https://imgoat.com/uploads/0935e4cd59/105699.png
2018-04-18T02:56:20 < Laurenceb___> I generate a frequency sweep that goes into the system
2018-04-18T02:56:31 < Laurenceb___> from about 1hz to 400hz
2018-04-18T02:56:46 < Laurenceb___> so atm I just remove the data at the beginning so its 4hz to 400
2018-04-18T02:57:34 < steverrrr> you use the PLL to drive the mechanical vibration?
2018-04-18T02:57:41 < Laurenceb___> no
2018-04-18T02:57:54 < Laurenceb___> mechanical vibration is driven by a pre programmed sweep
2018-04-18T02:58:08 < Laurenceb___> 1 to 400hz in 1hz steps with 10s for each step
2018-04-18T02:58:32 < Laurenceb___> reference is an accelerometer at the input to the vibration damper
2018-04-18T02:58:41 < Laurenceb___>  "DUT" is at top of the damper
2018-04-18T02:59:38 < Laurenceb___> atm my issue is that pll has to have about >2hz loop bandwidth to be reliable
2018-04-18T02:59:51 < Laurenceb___> and that causes it to go a bit mad below ~4hz
2018-04-18T03:00:01 < Laurenceb___> as it can intermittently lock onto harmonics
2018-04-18T03:01:01 < Laurenceb___> guess the simplest way is to redo the experimental work with log frequency step and adjusting pll loop bandwidth
2018-04-18T03:01:12 < Laurenceb___> but thats a whole day of shakkin :(
2018-04-18T03:02:14 < steverrrr> i don't understand your use of the PLL, it seems wacky to me, but maybe I've just never see this application before
2018-04-18T03:02:22 < steverrrr> you get amplitude out of a PLL?
2018-04-18T03:02:24 < Laurenceb___> I dunno lol
2018-04-18T03:02:26 < Laurenceb___> yes
2018-04-18T03:02:44 < Laurenceb___> but also integrated phase, thats useful to plot phase response of the system
2018-04-18T03:03:03 < Laurenceb___> also its using shitty legacy hardware from 70s
2018-04-18T03:03:21 < Laurenceb___> clocks are all unstable so using a pll allows me to solve clock issues
2018-04-18T03:03:46 < Laurenceb___> e.g. if I used fft the binning might be slightly off and so amplitude would not be precise
2018-04-18T03:04:07 < Laurenceb___> yeah other option is to stick some decent sensors in the lab :P
2018-04-18T03:05:18  * Laurenceb___ was wondering if there is a filter that solves this harmonic issue
2018-04-18T03:05:27 < Laurenceb___> maybe some sort of comb filter based pll...
2018-04-18T03:05:54 < Cracki> harmonics, not subharmonics, eh?
2018-04-18T03:06:09 < Cracki> since they're at multiples, you could do a fft of the fft
2018-04-18T03:06:17 < Laurenceb___> hmm nice plan
2018-04-18T03:06:23 < Cracki> but I guess that's not all that real-time
2018-04-18T03:06:48 < Cracki> might refresh your knowledge of "cepstrum"
2018-04-18T03:06:51 < Laurenceb___> oh this is pre processed
2018-04-18T03:06:55 < Laurenceb___> very much so
2018-04-18T03:07:09 < steverrrr> wikipedia PLL shows, a PLL outputs a sine wave.  phase error can be integrated, sure.  what is amplitude?
2018-04-18T03:07:09 < Laurenceb___> I have literally about 100GB of raw data on a hdd
2018-04-18T03:07:46 < Laurenceb___> steverrrr: pll generates a LO, thats multipled with the input signal
2018-04-18T03:07:59 < Laurenceb___> the output is the "baseband"
2018-04-18T03:08:12 < Laurenceb___> baseband amplitude is used to find amplitude
2018-04-18T03:08:38 < steverrrr> what is LO?
2018-04-18T03:09:22 < Laurenceb___> Local Oscillator
2018-04-18T03:09:53 < Laurenceb___> Cracki: ok now I have a plan...
2018-04-18T03:10:04 < Laurenceb___> use specgram to pre process the data
2018-04-18T03:10:11 < Cracki> never really used this but might be relevant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cepstrum
2018-04-18T03:10:13 < Cracki> aye
2018-04-18T03:10:27 < Laurenceb___> bin it, find first harmonic using cepstrum, then chuck all the harmonics
2018-04-18T03:10:32 < Laurenceb___> then ifft each bin
2018-04-18T03:10:41 < Laurenceb___> then process that data with existing code
2018-04-18T03:10:58 < Laurenceb___> only issue is if there is a mismatch where each bin joins its neighbours
2018-04-18T03:11:27 < Cracki> bandpass with a few bins width
2018-04-18T03:11:49 < Cracki> or what do you mean
2018-04-18T03:13:38 < Laurenceb___> well I need to ifft to recreate a time domain signal
2018-04-18T03:13:53 < Laurenceb___> if ifft of each bin doesnt match its neighbours...
2018-04-18T03:14:14 < Cracki> uh, frequency bin of time bin?
2018-04-18T03:14:17 < Cracki> *or
2018-04-18T03:15:35 < Cracki> as for killing harmonics, I'd "just" identify the highest magnitude freq in the fft, zero out all other elements of that array, then ifft
2018-04-18T03:16:07 < Cracki> if that works (no heavy dc component to crap on you), that second fourier or cepstrum might not even be needed
2018-04-18T03:16:11 < aandrew> http://hforsten.com/cheap-homemade-30-mhz-6-ghz-vector-network-analyzer.html reading up on this... makes me feel stupid
2018-04-18T03:16:27 < Laurenceb___> hmm
2018-04-18T03:16:35 < Laurenceb___> I think I need to try this and see
2018-04-18T03:16:46 < Cracki> homemade is code for "I'm doing this commercially, but I can do it with chewing gum and a paper clip too"
2018-04-18T03:17:05 < steverrrr> LO meaning voltage controlled oscillator.  a VCO output has a constant amplitude, .  do you know how PLL's are used in radios and digital clock multipliers?  i've never seen what you're talking about
2018-04-18T03:17:34 < Cracki> wow actual simulations of a pcb
2018-04-18T03:23:39 < steverrrr> wow i'm totally stumped.  google search accelerometer pll or shake table pll , not even a clue shows up.  can you point me to some reading ?
2018-04-18T03:25:22 < branjb> how do you oven heat a pcb with passives on the bottom, does the weight of the board keep them in place?
2018-04-18T03:25:31 < branjb> seems like if weight wasn't even it'd shift easily
2018-04-18T03:32:11 < Cracki> solder that melts at different temp
2018-04-18T03:32:30 < Cracki> so for the B side you stay under the A-side temp
2018-04-18T03:36:59 < branjb> oh smart
2018-04-18T03:40:16 < aandrew> branjb: generally speaking SMT parts do not fall off
2018-04-18T03:40:21 < aandrew> the heavier ones may need to be glued
2018-04-18T03:40:48 < aandrew> Cracki: generally speaking that is not how it's done
2018-04-18T03:40:59 < Cracki> enlighten me
2018-04-18T03:41:29 < aandrew> the boards are stuffed on one side, run through the oven, flipped, stuffed on the other side and run through again
2018-04-18T03:41:44 < aandrew> you'll notice most boards have light components (passives mostly) on the bottom, this is why
2018-04-18T03:41:53 < Cracki> capillary force?
2018-04-18T03:42:00 < aandrew> components which are heavier and on the bottom may be glued, the glue prevents them from falling off when the solder reflows
2018-04-18T03:42:06 < aandrew> surface tension I think
2018-04-18T03:42:12 < Cracki> ic
2018-04-18T03:44:23 < aandrew> there are special higher temp solders but I don't even think they use those on the various modules you buy that are meant to be soldered on to boards
2018-04-18T03:46:58  * Laurenceb___ zzz
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2018-04-18T05:12:52 < aandrew> wtf, how do I change MULTIPLE parts to "do not populate" in variants?
2018-04-18T05:13:01 < aandrew> I can select multiple but then it makes me change each individually
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2018-04-18T05:26:58 < aandrew> oh there we go, edit selected
2018-04-18T05:29:09 < Rob235> does a servo need a continuous 50hz pulse or can you send a pwm once and be done?
2018-04-18T05:29:49 < dongs> wat
2018-04-18T05:29:53 < dongs> it needs continous
2018-04-18T05:29:59 < Rob235> ok, didnt realize that
2018-04-18T05:30:05 < Rob235> never used one before :)
2018-04-18T05:30:24 < dongs> how would you even "send" it a one shot pulse
2018-04-18T05:30:30 < dongs> it would have no idea what the period is
2018-04-18T05:31:06 < dongs> http://courses.me.berkeley.edu/ME102B/Lab4/images/servo-pwm_w400.jpg
2018-04-18T05:31:19 < Rob235> I thought it was just a 1ms-2ms high value but yea I guess that makes sense
2018-04-18T05:50:16 < dongs> https://shiftwear.com/blog/2018/04/15/shiftwear-update-april-15-2018/ lol buttchain
2018-04-18T05:56:39 < dongs> let's do #stm32 ICO
2018-04-18T05:56:47 < englishman> cortexcoin
2018-04-18T05:56:47 < dongs> buttchain all the things
2018-04-18T05:57:55 < englishman> optimized for mining on mundane devices like coffeemakers and thermostats
2018-04-18T05:58:16 < dongs> how would you prove that it was done on a MCU
2018-04-18T05:58:19 < dongs> and not on overpowered gpu
2018-04-18T05:58:29 < dongs> there must be a way to guarantee that it was computed in teh slowest way possible
2018-04-18T05:58:35 < englishman> only provide .uvproj
2018-04-18T05:58:39 < dongs> haha
2018-04-18T05:58:46 < dongs> fucking irl lol'd here
2018-04-18T05:58:57 < englishman> huhuhu
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2018-04-18T05:59:56 < dongs> emeb disagrees
2018-04-18T06:01:00 < englishman> no fpga allowed
2018-04-18T06:01:17 < englishman> i should do something with this free noritake vfd i got 5 years ago
2018-04-18T06:01:23 < dongs> same
2018-04-18T06:01:32 < dongs> its collecting dust on my innovation shelf
2018-04-18T06:01:38 < dongs> together with 20+ discovery boards
2018-04-18T06:03:29 < dongs> i could already be a cortexcoin millionaire
2018-04-18T06:03:35 < dongs> if i got htem all to calculatea buttcoins
2018-04-18T06:06:17 < aandrew> how in the fuck do you generate pick and place data for a specific variant?
2018-04-18T06:06:48 < dongs> wuts a variant
2018-04-18T06:06:54 < dongs> that altidumb shit noone uses?
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2018-04-18T06:19:37 < dongs> https://www.altium.com/documentation/15.1/display/ADES/((Design+Variants))_AD
2018-04-18T06:19:42 < dongs> Assembly variants affect all output documentation that include detail about the purchase or loading of components. This includes:
2018-04-18T06:19:46 < dongs> Pick and Place files
2018-04-18T06:19:50 < aandrew> yeah I found it
2018-04-18T06:19:52 < dongs> (among other things
2018-04-18T06:19:55 < aandrew> there's a pulldown I couldn't find
2018-04-18T06:20:13 < dongs> whats a variant do
2018-04-18T06:20:23 < dongs> bigger picture
2018-04-18T06:20:29 < dongs> a board with some parts missing/in another place?
2018-04-18T06:20:34 < dongs> or differnt values of same shit?
2018-04-18T06:21:50 < stvn> Stoned engineering
2018-04-18T06:22:21 < stvn> On the clock, off the dial
2018-04-18T06:24:18 < englishman> dongs, like that one resistor on that black board i move from place to place
2018-04-18T06:24:25 < englishman> in the simplest sense
2018-04-18T06:24:33 < englishman> depending on end user
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2018-04-18T06:35:04 < Rob235> where do I find out what pwm modes are what, pain in the ass
2018-04-18T06:35:09 < Rob235> I havent done this shit in too long
2018-04-18T06:36:28 < dongs> surely refman
2018-04-18T06:36:31 < Rob235> I think I want pwm1 in upcounting
2018-04-18T06:36:37 < Rob235> for servo
2018-04-18T06:39:46 < dongs> literally
2018-04-18T06:39:52 < dongs> .google stm32 servo timer
2018-04-18T06:39:59 < dongs> probably over 9000 examples everywehre
2018-04-18T06:42:16 < Rob235> I think I need sleep first, I'm just wasting time at this point
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2018-04-18T07:48:54 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/PiIABmd.png
2018-04-18T08:01:39 < jpa-> zyp: no; i haven't figured out what kind of support would make sense, there is not much standardized except the http interface
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2018-04-18T10:11:41 < zyp> jpa-, from my perspective, I'd say the interface is out of scope, I'd like to feed it frames on one side and hook up functions on the other side
2018-04-18T10:13:02 < zyp> the transport would in my case be a pair of usb bulk pipes
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2018-04-18T10:24:38 < stvn> Thanks dongs
2018-04-18T10:26:06 < stvn> 486 very good
2018-04-18T10:28:34 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/ektDrZ30.html
2018-04-18T10:30:00 < stvn> :)
2018-04-18T10:30:21 < stvn> Sounds like they couldn’t handle the power
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2018-04-18T10:30:36 < stvn> Like the 1.133ghz Pentium 3
2018-04-18T10:40:55 < dongs>  EGM Electronic Gaming Monthly Issues 1-41 (1989-1992) + Extras
2018-04-18T10:40:55 < dongs>  Please download entire torrent, because I will be deleting these from my computer (need the space), so they'll be lost
2018-04-18T10:40:58 < dongs>  forever if someone else doesn't save them.
2018-04-18T10:40:58 < dongs> le autisme
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2018-04-18T10:48:17 < stvn> How do u find this shit?
2018-04-18T10:48:28 < dongs> i usually just retweet from other channels
2018-04-18T10:48:34 < stvn> Ah
2018-04-18T10:48:43 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS6nlmsiaqg shit like this
2018-04-18T10:49:11 < stvn> no comment
2018-04-18T10:58:50 < Steffanx> Your crt guy in a dress is worse, stvn
2018-04-18T10:59:13 < stvn> Who said anything was bad
2018-04-18T11:02:11 < stvn> Guy in a dress can weld your broken teapot back together
2018-04-18T11:02:39 < stvn> After the annual Dutch teapot smashing competition
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2018-04-18T11:21:48 < Thorn> TESS launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY-0uBIYYKk
2018-04-18T11:22:52 < stvn> 6:19 PM <blap_> you heard the kikes are going to import 150 million niggers to europe?
2018-04-18T11:23:00 < stvn> Get a load of this guy
2018-04-18T11:23:04 < Steffanx> I wont wake you this time, Thorn
2018-04-18T11:23:20 < Thorn> what do you mean this time
2018-04-18T11:23:38 < Thorn> you didn't wake me up last time either
2018-04-18T11:23:48 < Steffanx> I know :P
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2018-04-18T11:35:42 < tct> dongs, I placed a schmitt-trigger from the altium vault on my schematics. How do I "enable" the GND/Vcc pins to supply that bitch with dat sweet current?
2018-04-18T11:36:04 < dongs> lol wut
2018-04-18T11:36:16 < tct> I only get the logic gate symbol with input/output. the power pins are not shown
2018-04-18T11:36:27 < dongs> was tehre more parts to place?
2018-04-18T11:36:40 < dongs> i have no idea i always draw my own symbols (or sometimes steal from vault + add into my own lib)
2018-04-18T11:36:50 < dongs> when you do place part
2018-04-18T11:36:55 < dongs> it usually places ,A,B,C, etc
2018-04-18T11:37:01 < dongs> is it a single inverter/
2018-04-18T11:37:04 < dongs> or like a hex/wahtever
2018-04-18T11:37:39 < tct> well I just drag the thing and drop it on the schematic
2018-04-18T11:37:59 < tct> check out NC7SZ14M5X in the vault
2018-04-18T11:38:15 < tct> ah, there's a Part B tab
2018-04-18T11:38:26 < tct> but how do I get that into my schematics
2018-04-18T11:38:45 < dongs> it should place them all in order
2018-04-18T11:38:47 < dongs> when you do pp
2018-04-18T11:38:56 < dongs> so click once to put one, click again to put part V
2018-04-18T11:38:57 < dongs> B
2018-04-18T11:39:14 < tct> does not work
2018-04-18T11:39:17 < tct> it always places part B
2018-04-18T11:39:19 < tct> part A I mean
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2018-04-18T11:39:22 < dongs> gay
2018-04-18T11:39:27 < tct> 18.0.12 much
2018-04-18T11:40:35 < dongs> tct, right click and place
2018-04-18T11:40:37 < dongs> on the component
2018-04-18T11:40:39 < dongs> instead of dragging
2018-04-18T11:40:52 < tct> thank you Sir
2018-04-18T11:41:01 < dongs> worked?
2018-04-18T11:41:07 < tct> yes Sir
2018-04-18T11:41:47 < dongs> splitting a fucking sot23-5 into 2 parts is fucking ridiculous
2018-04-18T11:41:53 < tct> no shit
2018-04-18T11:42:03 < stvn> Heh
2018-04-18T11:42:03 < dongs> it would probly take you less time to draw the shit
2018-04-18T11:42:11 < tct> most likely true
2018-04-18T11:42:12 < dongs> than rage at vault nonstop
2018-04-18T11:42:21 < tct> the vault seems so unpolished
2018-04-18T11:42:21 < stvn> The vault is shit
2018-04-18T11:42:27 < dongs> Vault 69
2018-04-18T11:42:29 < tct> not sure if I would pay for that again
2018-04-18T11:42:35 < stvn> It’s crap
2018-04-18T11:42:42 < dongs> it has some limited value when you have a FPGA with 1000 pins
2018-04-18T11:42:45 < tct> anyway, upgraded my standalone license to an on-demand yesterday
2018-04-18T11:42:57 < dongs> and dont wanna enter them all
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2018-04-18T11:43:01 < dongs> but their STM32 parts really suck
2018-04-18T11:43:06 < tct> true
2018-04-18T11:43:06 < dongs> i dont like their style
2018-04-18T11:43:12 < dongs> so i just draw my own anyway, fuckem
2018-04-18T11:43:13 < tct> you don't like anybody's style.
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2018-04-18T11:43:20 < dongs> sometimes steal 3d models
2018-04-18T11:43:22 < stvn> I feel sorry making my work buy altium
2018-04-18T11:43:24 < dongs> otherwise, nope
2018-04-18T11:43:38 < dongs> stvn don't let R2PRO hear you
2018-04-18T11:43:47 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-18T11:43:48 < dongs> or he'll make them buy orcad
2018-04-18T11:44:13 < tct> had an orcad conversation yesterday
2018-04-18T11:47:21 < stvn> Was it induced vomiting
2018-04-18T11:47:39 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, but there isn't even a standard method of distinguishing between the rpc endpoints; so i'm not sure what i could generate, some header definitions for     void FooRequest_handler(FooRequest* req, FooResponse *resp);     and then   dispatch(handler, stream) { if (handler == FooRequest_handler) { FooRequest req; FooResponse resp; pb_decode(stream, FooRequest_fields, &req); FooRequest_handler(req, 
2018-04-18T11:47:39 < jpa-> resp); pb_encode(stream, FooResponse_fields, &resp); }    but that seems somewhat pointless
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2018-04-18T11:48:17 < jpa-> zyp: other thing i've considered is generating X-macros for the services, which could be helpful perhaps?
2018-04-18T11:48:54 < zyp> X-macros?
2018-04-18T11:49:30 < zyp> well, idk, I thought about playing around with the python generator first to see what that does
2018-04-18T11:49:35 < jpa-> #define  MYPROTO_SERVICES(X)  X(Foo, FooRequest, FooResponse)
2018-04-18T11:50:23 < zyp> if I can figure out a reasonable pattern for the host side, I might get a better idea for how to handle it on the device side
2018-04-18T11:50:30 < jpa-> after which one could autogenerate dispatch() style functions for whatever interface one wants
2018-04-18T11:50:36 < jpa-> yeah, that makes sense
2018-04-18T11:50:53 < zyp> I got some basic stuff working yesterday, btw
2018-04-18T11:52:55 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/D9Xl1 https://paste.jvnv.net/view/ViMkx https://paste.jvnv.net/view/GK7WV
2018-04-18T11:54:23 < dongs> pure filth
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2018-04-18T12:34:43 < stvn> Give the man a cigar
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2018-04-18T13:19:30 < englishman> should i send my 486 back
2018-04-18T13:21:04 < englishman> who wants to eat some 100 year old beef from the boer war https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZoHuMwZwTk
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2018-04-18T13:27:11 < stvn> ill try some
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2018-04-18T14:23:00 < kakimir> what do you think about molding pcb inside plastic?
2018-04-18T14:23:17 < kakimir> soft pvc in this case
2018-04-18T14:23:46 < kakimir> smd components are protected with dots of silicone
2018-04-18T14:26:35 < jpa-> sounds rather disposable
2018-04-18T14:27:14 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-18T14:27:21 < kakimir> nothing expensive inside that plastic
2018-04-18T14:27:29 < kakimir> I need small solid structure
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2018-04-18T15:10:38 < Steffanx> What about contacting a company that does molding etc. kakimir ?
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2018-04-18T15:40:18 < kakimir> there is a problem Steffanx
2018-04-18T15:40:27 < kakimir> Solder
2018-04-18T15:40:46 < kakimir> melts and wets under 200C
2018-04-18T15:40:55 < kakimir> molding process is above 200C
2018-04-18T15:41:15 < kakimir> so parts should be also glued
2018-04-18T15:41:34 < kakimir> and with power fets etc. it's quite a hard job to glue them properly in place
2018-04-18T15:42:17 < BrainDamage> why would you want to encase pcb under plastic?
2018-04-18T15:42:24 < BrainDamage> especially if you have power fets
2018-04-18T15:43:17 < kakimir> power fets are for low losses
2018-04-18T15:43:29 < kakimir> therefore very little heat
2018-04-18T15:46:23 < jpa-> err.. why would you use a high temperature plastic for the molding?
2018-04-18T15:46:39 < kakimir> because we need to use soft PVC
2018-04-18T15:46:42 < jpa-> i can't imagine putting molten plastic onto molten solder going very well, even if the parts are glued
2018-04-18T15:46:44 < kakimir> mechanical reasons
2018-04-18T15:47:01 < jpa-> can't you just use flexible polyurethane?
2018-04-18T15:47:23 < kakimir> propably
2018-04-18T15:49:08 < jpa-> ask soft diamond oy for a quote? should be pretty easy to just put chemically setting polyurethane into the mold with the pcb, and the mold can also be a cheap silicone mold if your volume is small
2018-04-18T15:49:09 < kakimir> jpa-, do you know what is thermosetting temperature for PUR?
2018-04-18T15:49:16 < jpa-> less than 100C
2018-04-18T15:49:32 < kakimir> does it produce corrosive gasses?
2018-04-18T15:50:10 < Steffanx> Im glad we just contact the (real) experts for stuff like this at work :P
2018-04-18T15:50:39 < jpa-> Steffanx: you're glad only until you realize that kakimir is the "expert" on the other side of your email ;)
2018-04-18T15:50:50 < Steffanx> Not that ##stm32 isnt an expert though.
2018-04-18T15:50:56 < jpa-> kakimir: atleast not more than PVC :D
2018-04-18T15:51:16 < zyp> what would be a good connector/cabling to use if I want to combine usb signalling and 5-10A of DC power?
2018-04-18T15:51:33 < jpa-> polyurethane doesn't handle high temperatures (>100C) very well though, so if that is a requirement you'll probably want a silicone casting instead
2018-04-18T15:51:41 < Steffanx> Nah, a visit solves part of that issue, jpa-
2018-04-18T15:51:55 < Steffanx> Wut tct is alive :o
2018-04-18T15:52:08 < kakimir> jpa-, some webpage says that polyurethane does 250C without problems
2018-04-18T15:52:23 < jpa-> zyp: USB3 with A plug on each end and put your DC power on the usb3 pins!
2018-04-18T15:52:35 < zyp> jpa-, haha, fuck off
2018-04-18T15:52:37 < jpa-> kakimir: yeah, depends on specific resin probably
2018-04-18T15:52:52 < jpa-> kakimir: i only read http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/gcnc/ch4/
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2018-04-18T15:54:15 < Steffanx> Bye tct
2018-04-18T15:54:56 < jpa-> Steffanx: when will you come to .fi to visit kakimir?
2018-04-18T15:55:07 < zyp> I'm thinking maybe some shit like molex micro-fit, use a pair of contacts for usb, the rest for power
2018-04-18T15:55:16 < kakimir> ?
2018-04-18T15:55:20 < Steffanx> Visit kakimir? No plans for that, jpa-
2018-04-18T15:55:29 < kakimir> when will I visit .fi?
2018-04-18T15:55:34 < Steffanx> Id rather visit stvn
2018-04-18T15:55:36 < zyp> they even have cute pre-made cables for that, but I'm not sure how usb signal integrity will be in those
2018-04-18T15:55:39 < kakimir> Steffanx is drunk
2018-04-18T15:57:48 < jpa-> zyp: https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/334417/a-way-to-determine-a-symmetric-connectors-position    how about using a symmetric connector you can plug any way around?
2018-04-18T15:58:46 < zyp> jpa-, you're making progress on your trolling level :)
2018-04-18T15:59:11 < kakimir> zyp, that's gay
2018-04-18T15:59:11 < Steffanx> Jpa-: I did think about going on a europe motor bike trip. One issue: no bike and no motor bike drivers license.
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2018-04-18T15:59:35 < kakimir> jpa-, steal the bike and ride without licence
2018-04-18T16:00:16 < zyp> Steffanx, grab a boat and paddle over to norway instead
2018-04-18T16:00:37 < Steffanx> Meh. I heard norway is nice to motor bike around in
2018-04-18T16:00:56 < zyp> probably, haven't tried
2018-04-18T16:01:05 < zyp> it's certainly nice to drive around in
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2018-04-18T16:02:15 < BrainDamage> why not both
2018-04-18T16:02:16 < BrainDamage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDi9uFcD7XI
2018-04-18T16:02:58 < zyp> nice
2018-04-18T16:09:06 < tct> Steffanx, always alive
2018-04-18T16:09:13 < tct> always backstab'd
2018-04-18T16:10:18 < Steffanx> Awh, is your friend that bad?
2018-04-18T16:10:38 < jpa-> Steffanx: go on a ebike trip instead
2018-04-18T16:10:58 < Steffanx> Wut. No.
2018-04-18T16:11:42 < Steffanx> That would take ages
2018-04-18T16:12:15 < zyp> hmm
2018-04-18T16:12:36 < zyp> Steffanx is about 16 ebike batteries worth of charge away
2018-04-18T16:13:00 < zyp> think I'd rather take the car :p
2018-04-18T16:13:08 < Steffanx> Hah. :)
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2018-04-18T16:26:35 < englishman> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5A-5V-super-large-current-fast-charging-Wireless-charging-power-transmission-module-module-IC-chip-program/32679610305.html
2018-04-18T16:26:37 < englishman> hmm, 25W
2018-04-18T16:27:14 < englishman> dubious as fuck
2018-04-18T16:43:46 < zyp> sounds reasonable enough
2018-04-18T16:44:58 < zyp> qi does 5W
2018-04-18T16:45:58 < zyp> it's basically just a HF transformer
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2018-04-18T17:08:19 < englishman> since receiver looks like just a rectifier, i wonder what the OC voltage is
2018-04-18T17:14:44 < Rob235> can you use C++ for keil/stm32?
2018-04-18T17:14:56 < Rob235> I guess stm32 doesnt matter, keil does
2018-04-18T17:15:41 < Rob235> C is a pain sometimes
2018-04-18T17:24:56 < Rob235> my hands auto typed porn instead of port
2018-04-18T17:25:01 < Rob235> muscle memory at its fines
2018-04-18T17:25:02 < Rob235> t
2018-04-18T17:41:34 < dongs> d o n  g s
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2018-04-18T18:16:22 < zyp> dongu
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2018-04-18T18:29:22 < Streaker> It's fun to stay at the D.O.N.GS.!
2018-04-18T18:30:06 < Streaker> _o_
2018-04-18T18:30:49 < Streaker> IoI
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2018-04-18T19:22:05 < Laurenceb__> reee muh cepstrum
2018-04-18T19:22:12 < Laurenceb__> this shit isnt working
2018-04-18T19:23:13 < Laurenceb__> maybe I should try some sort of autocorrelation
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2018-04-18T19:27:31 < Laurenceb__> or maybe I just need to add some filtering
2018-04-18T19:30:20 < Laurenceb__> yeah looks like cepstrum fails with lots of high f noise
2018-04-18T19:40:29 < Laurenceb__> h=abs(fft(v_t).*conj(fft(v_t))).^2;
2018-04-18T19:40:45 < Laurenceb__> h(find(h<quantile(h,0.1)))=quantile(h,0.1);
2018-04-18T19:40:56 < Laurenceb__> p=abs(ifft(log(h)));
2018-04-18T19:41:32 < Laurenceb__> p(end)=0;p=fliplr(p);
2018-04-18T19:41:36 < Laurenceb__> that seems to work
2018-04-18T19:41:47 < Laurenceb__> just exclude noise from the log
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2018-04-18T19:52:49 < Laurenceb__> oh
2018-04-18T19:53:02 < Laurenceb__> v_t=v_t.*blackman(length(v_t));
2018-04-18T19:53:11 < Laurenceb__> casual racism massivly improves the results
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2018-04-18T20:06:37 < qyx> zyp: I used usb over micro-fit, but meh
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2018-04-18T20:35:12 < emeb> Laurenceb__: I never paid much attn to that cepstrum crap.
2018-04-18T20:35:39 < emeb> any tech with a "cute" name like that seems too whack.
2018-04-18T20:35:41 < Laurenceb__> it _seems_ to be working now
2018-04-18T20:35:59 < Laurenceb__> need to stick it into some harmonic trimming codes
2018-04-18T20:37:38 < emeb> what are you using it for?
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2018-04-18T20:39:47 < qyx> for baby shaking prbably
2018-04-18T20:40:43 < qyx> has anyone seen stm32G0?
2018-04-18T20:41:31 < Laurenceb__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_(nuclear_test)#/media/File:Slotin-Lehr-Gadget-Tamper-Plug.jpg
2018-04-18T20:41:38 < Laurenceb__> le nuclear bomb shades
2018-04-18T20:41:49 < qyx> some sales rep mentioned it to a friend of mine today
2018-04-18T20:42:03 < kakimir> Laurenceb__, that guiy died
2018-04-18T20:42:11 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2018-04-18T20:42:15 < kakimir> while demostrating demon core
2018-04-18T20:42:25 < kakimir> *or shortly after
2018-04-18T20:42:41 < kakimir> their methodology was top notch back then
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2018-04-18T20:44:44 < kakimir> but can you really look more cool? Leaning to nuclear bomb those shades on - thinking of nuclear explosions
2018-04-18T20:45:31 < kakimir> shirt open
2018-04-18T20:45:37 < Laurenceb__> heh
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2018-04-18T20:46:16 < kakimir> wall carpet waving in desert breeze
2018-04-18T20:48:01 < Rob235> kakimir you bastard, where have you been
2018-04-18T20:48:57 < kakimir> Doing batterypack proto at works
2018-04-18T20:49:12 < kakimir> sent last files to factory today
2018-04-18T20:49:25 < Rob235> you win, I bought rpi, not sure if ive seen you since then
2018-04-18T20:49:43 < Rob235> not sure if you have any idea what im talking about
2018-04-18T20:50:12 < kakimir> do you ever get the feeling at the end phases of development project that the project will kill you?
2018-04-18T20:50:27 < kakimir> before you finish it or just when you finish it
2018-04-18T20:50:30 < Rob235> I was asking for esp8266 help and you told me to buy rpi and I wanted to punch you
2018-04-18T20:50:43 < kakimir> is there a problem?
2018-04-18T20:51:09 < Rob235> I gave in and bought a rpi and it was a good decision. I just dont want to admit that you were right
2018-04-18T20:51:42 < kakimir> rpi3 - what is not to love?
2018-04-18T20:51:49 < kakimir> is it working already?
2018-04-18T20:52:00 < Rob235> already got a node server running (first time using node)  with web socket communicating with my stm32 over SPI
2018-04-18T20:52:19 < Rob235> never used a pi before, its pretty nice
2018-04-18T20:53:06 < kakimir> I mean.. I just thought you want to get it working instead of work on progress?
2018-04-18T20:53:39 < Rob235> I agree, I just thought I could get the esp working quickly but it just kept giving me problems
2018-04-18T20:53:50 < Rob235> and I didnt want to buy something new if I didnt have to
2018-04-18T20:53:58 < Rob235> but im happy now
2018-04-18T20:54:49 < Rob235> now I just gotta finish porting my code from mbed to cube and I can get raw commands working
2018-04-18T20:57:01 < kakimir> you need to draw line between projects and nonproject projects when you want something to get done
2018-04-18T20:57:12 < kakimir> it involves buying your way out timelly
2018-04-18T20:57:48 < Rob235> yea, I gotta work on that, I tend to waste time when I dont need to
2018-04-18T20:58:42 < kakimir> I know people that don't dare to even invest in basic tools or supplies and do more hobby electronics than me
2018-04-18T20:59:02 < kakimir> using 50% of time finding a hack around trivial problems
2018-04-18T21:00:16 < kakimir> I can't really find other reason than that they actually enjoy it
2018-04-18T21:00:55 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDndE432GpU fresh musics
2018-04-18T21:01:23 < Rob235> I'm just not working right now, otherwise id buy everything I need/want to make things easy and work
2018-04-18T21:01:34 < Rob235> would love to go on a shopping spree
2018-04-18T21:03:09 < kakimir> I have probs 10kiloeurs worth of unfinished projects
2018-04-18T21:03:19 < kakimir> jeez
2018-04-18T21:03:35 < kakimir> not all purelly electronics
2018-04-18T21:03:54 < kakimir> if surplus supplies and to be project supplies are counted in
2018-04-18T21:04:16 < kakimir> use 1 buy 10 type of deals
2018-04-18T21:05:01 < kakimir> it's barelly unmanageable.. sometimes I buy same parts twice even when I have surplus
2018-04-18T21:05:42 < kakimir> I don't remember where I had them or remember them at all
2018-04-18T21:08:59 < kakimir> hmm.. I smell strong hash smell comming from somewhere to my appartment
2018-04-18T21:11:09 < Rob235> go join them
2018-04-18T21:11:38 < kakimir> I don't know
2018-04-18T21:11:58 < kakimir> This place looks good outside but inside it's like an institution
2018-04-18T21:12:29 < kakimir> screaming and crying at 3AM type of stuff
2018-04-18T21:12:51 < Ultrasauce> not to mention, you're there
2018-04-18T21:13:03 < kakimir> Yes.. that
2018-04-18T21:13:12 < kakimir> it all makes sense
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2018-04-18T21:36:22 < Steffanx> Wut, qyz. Stm32g0?!
2018-04-18T21:36:36 < Steffanx> Would almost think: typo
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2018-04-18T21:39:37 < qyx> yes g0
2018-04-18T21:39:51 < qyx> should be like F0, but better
2018-04-18T21:40:19 < qyx> citation needed
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2018-04-18T21:42:31 < Steffanx> oh, it's actually some ST developers conference document too. Although that was in 2016.
2018-04-18T21:42:39 < Steffanx> *actually mentioned
2018-04-18T21:42:47 < Steffanx> and it talks about q2 2017 something.
2018-04-18T21:42:56 < Steffanx> https://image.slidesharecdn.com/track2-session5-stdevcon2016-usbtypecwithpd-161007094747/95/track-2-session-5-st-dev-con-2016usb-type-c-with-pd-25-1024.jpg?cb=1475837692
2018-04-18T21:44:17 < Steffanx> and some header in mbed. It has both F0 and G0 on the same line, so cant be a typo.
2018-04-18T21:44:31 < qyx> so wheres the actual mcu?
2018-04-18T21:44:37 < qyx> not on the st site
2018-04-18T21:45:01 < zyp> qyx, cool, mind elaborating?
2018-04-18T21:45:10 < zyp> what sort of distances and what sort of cabling?
2018-04-18T21:45:24 < Steffanx> idk qyx :P
2018-04-18T21:46:07 < qyx> zyp: it worked somehow
2018-04-18T21:46:16 < qyx> it disconnected sometimes and such
2018-04-18T21:46:24 < Steffanx> STM32G4 is real too it seems.
2018-04-18T21:46:28 < qyx> but microfit seems to be better that those harting DDD pins we used too
2018-04-18T21:46:39 < qyx> for usb
2018-04-18T21:46:42 < qyx> :>
2018-04-18T21:47:22 < Steffanx> AN5143 mentions both the G0 and G4. such fancy. And that AN is from 8th of march this year
2018-04-18T21:47:30 < qyx> usually we used standard usb cables with one side cut, it was the cheapest available solution
2018-04-18T21:47:33 < zyp> what's new with G?
2018-04-18T21:47:41 < zyp> multicore would have been nice
2018-04-18T21:47:41 < Steffanx> no one knows. except for it being new.
2018-04-18T21:47:54 < zyp> I want multicore
2018-04-18T21:48:18 < Steffanx> It's mentioned in a document about usb type-c and usb pd, so might be related to that
2018-04-18T21:48:51 < qyx> the only reason we did that was either 1. need for a rugged connector (han d) or 2. need for a connection inside a device with locking (micro fit)
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2018-04-18T21:49:17 < qyx> anyway, I would definitely avoid that in the future
2018-04-18T21:50:03 < qyx> usb is a consumer grade bus with low const connectors and it should stay as it is
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2018-04-18T22:00:50 < zyp> I wanna run usb to the head of a 3d printer, along with enough power to drive the hotend
2018-04-18T22:01:23 < Ultrasauce> i want to arc weld with my phone
2018-04-18T22:01:49 < zyp> firstly I don't trust usb connectors with the motion, and secondly I need something that could run the power too
2018-04-18T22:05:56 < englishman> direct-solder some cheap usb cable?
2018-04-18T22:07:11 < zyp> no
2018-04-18T22:07:27 < zyp> the whole point is to have a common plug regardless of what functions a head has
2018-04-18T22:07:30 < kakimir> how do I get aluminum rectangle bar with a half millimeter or so of copper on top
2018-04-18T22:07:50 < kakimir> can copper be grown to aluminum surface with electrolysis?
2018-04-18T22:11:30 < englishman> 0.1" headers on protoboard
2018-04-18T22:12:45 < Ultrasauce> running the hot end through those is a little bit marginal i think
2018-04-18T22:13:23 < jpa-> i'd be worrying about potential difference in ground wire, if the hotend power runs through the same cable as usb
2018-04-18T22:13:44 < Ultrasauce> yeah it definitely needs a separate ground and power for the usb device
2018-04-18T22:13:46 < jpa-> atleast my cables and connectors are crappy enough that 1V drop comes about easily
2018-04-18T22:16:56 < zyp> I've considered running a 5V vbus so I can communicate with the parts before 12/24V is turned on
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2018-04-18T22:28:55 < tct> does anybody have an UDFN6 footprint for alitum? I drew one according to the STM6519 datasheet. According to that datasheet the chip outline (max values) is 1.5mm by 1mm. However, all the 3d models I find named 'UDFN6' are larger than that.
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2018-04-18T22:35:47 < englishman> search for the dimensions too
2018-04-18T22:35:54 < englishman> some of those funky packages can mean pretty much anything
2018-04-18T22:37:50 < tct> okay
2018-04-18T22:38:05 < tct> englishman, can a regular fab handle UDFN6 1mm x 1.5mm or is that like non-trivial crap?
2018-04-18T22:38:11 < tct> talking about dicknplacing
2018-04-18T22:38:20 < englishman> its 0.5mm pitch, should be fine
2018-04-18T22:38:31 < tct> I was more worried about the chip size for the vacuum
2018-04-18T22:38:34 < englishman> nah
2018-04-18T22:38:36 < tct> might need dong's fapping tweezers
2018-04-18T22:38:40 < englishman> it's much bigger than 0402
2018-04-18T22:38:59 < englishman> your fab cant be some high school student in a basement
2018-04-18T22:39:01 < englishman> is all
2018-04-18T22:39:13 < englishman> unless he is an especially talented highschooler
2018-04-18T22:39:26 < englishman> if you see any raspberry pis around, run away
2018-04-18T22:39:42 < tct> lol no, they are pretty serious
2018-04-18T22:39:42 < tct> http://www.hemargroup.ch/en/
2018-04-18T22:39:51 < tct> swiss dicknplacing. extremely fast but extremely expensive
2018-04-18T22:40:03 < englishman> s/fast/punctual
2018-04-18T22:40:55 < BrainDamage> th^
2018-04-18T22:41:13 < englishman> 1,3Mio. assembled SMD components per day
2018-04-18T22:41:17 < BrainDamage> they'll announce delays and be consistent with that
2018-04-18T22:41:35 < BrainDamage> then you'll get blamed personally as consequence
2018-04-18T22:41:39 < tct> BrainDamage, shutup, you didn't even manage to find a power outlet in a train you've been sitting in for >2 hours
2018-04-18T22:41:40 < tct> :p
2018-04-18T22:41:55 < BrainDamage> it took 30 min, not 2h
2018-04-18T22:42:14 < tct> yet you needed remote assistance :p
2018-04-18T22:42:43 < BrainDamage> why putting mental efforts when you can delegate?
2018-04-18T22:43:04 < englishman> management material
2018-04-18T22:43:10 < tct> :p
2018-04-18T22:43:23 < englishman> fix my shit that is in front of me now
2018-04-18T22:43:34 < tct> did you delegate the backstabbing to mr. Steffanx too?
2018-04-18T22:43:44 < BrainDamage> nope, what happened?
2018-04-18T22:44:00 < BrainDamage> I'm only aware of the sexy times of the couch
2018-04-18T22:44:08 < BrainDamage> on*
2018-04-18T22:44:19 < Steffanx> He hates you for talking about irc to his friend.
2018-04-18T22:44:21 < tct> aaah yes, the good old times. memories I love to revisit
2018-04-18T22:45:17 < Steffanx> How many foldable keyboard do you own atm tct?
2018-04-18T22:45:57 < tct> did not order
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2018-04-18T22:52:57 < zyp> every keyboard is foldable if you try hard enough
2018-04-18T22:53:02 < zyp> at least once
2018-04-18T22:57:51 < Steffanx> < zyp> jpa-, you're making progress on your trolling level :) s/jpa/zyp/
2018-04-18T22:57:53 < Steffanx> :P
2018-04-18T22:58:17 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6uNOprl_jU music times.. my fav black artist
2018-04-18T22:58:53 < Steffanx> nooo
2018-04-18T22:59:12 < Steffanx> This is your favourite black artist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFdgK2GbHmo
2018-04-18T23:00:51 < kakimir> It's a German eurodance duo and the dude singing is just main vocalist
2018-04-18T23:01:29 < Ultrasauce> haha did tectu's power level get revealed to a normie
2018-04-18T23:01:45 < kakimir> but certainly his character is 50% of the thing
2018-04-18T23:02:19 < Steffanx> Isnt ##stm32 a gathering of normies Ultrasauce?
2018-04-18T23:02:27 < kakimir> ##normie32
2018-04-18T23:02:32 < Ultrasauce> shit
2018-04-18T23:02:42 < Steffanx> Except that ##stm32 isn't really a "social" media.
2018-04-18T23:02:58 < kakimir> well if you irc you are not a normie
2018-04-18T23:03:06 < Steffanx> but the ##stm32 opinion is all that matters.
2018-04-18T23:03:12 < kakimir> in the year 2018*
2018-04-18T23:03:36 < kakimir> by definition it's not normie stuff
2018-04-18T23:04:22 < Steffanx> Yet it's close enough.
2018-04-18T23:04:45 < kakimir> then there is irc normies
2018-04-18T23:05:04 < kakimir> like you jpa and most of the channel
2018-04-18T23:05:22 < kakimir> decent beings
2018-04-18T23:05:27 < zyp> haha
2018-04-18T23:05:32 < kakimir> and zyp
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2018-04-18T23:06:30 < kakimir> then there is stvn/crt, laurenceb, kakimir type of deal
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2018-04-18T23:07:07 < Steffanx> Im surprised.. me a normal being :P
2018-04-18T23:07:25 < stvn> Hi sir
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2018-04-18T23:07:59 < kakimir> your child is hungry stvn
2018-04-18T23:08:01 < Steffanx> do you hate being online 24/7 yet, stvn?
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2018-04-18T23:08:33 < stvn> I just slept 8hrs what are you talkin bout
2018-04-18T23:10:29 < Steffanx> Yet your irc mind is around
2018-04-18T23:10:45 < kakimir> when do you take nice Australia pics stvn?
2018-04-18T23:10:55 < kakimir> btw. finished my part of project today
2018-04-18T23:10:57 < kakimir> moving to leds
2018-04-18T23:11:01 < kakimir> next
2018-04-18T23:11:19 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/S6eNPIWZ/kitties.JPG
2018-04-18T23:11:33 < stvn> This is Australia photos
2018-04-18T23:11:43 < stvn> We sell cats as pet
2018-04-18T23:11:47 < stvn> Not to eat
2018-04-18T23:13:11 < kakimir> very cute
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2018-04-18T23:17:06 < kakimir> I need to directly solder leds to aluminum heat sink without insulating layers stvn
2018-04-18T23:17:11 < kakimir> isolated pad of the led
2018-04-18T23:18:01 < stvn> Tell me how that works out
2018-04-18T23:18:14 < kakimir> I plan to have a sheet of copper that has molded aluminum piece one side or other method of connecting them
2018-04-18T23:18:48 < kakimir> then mill everything but centerpads footprint area some parts of millimeter down
2018-04-18T23:19:21 < kakimir> then whatever copper pcb development process where they apply probs a film with copper on top to it
2018-04-18T23:19:48 < kakimir> make holes to it around extending center pad things in the heatsink
2018-04-18T23:19:59 < kakimir> then develop normally
2018-04-18T23:20:40 < stvn> I like LED
2018-04-18T23:21:02 < kakimir> should you work on LED?
2018-04-18T23:21:16 < stvn> Maybe
2018-04-18T23:21:30 < kakimir> it's simple DC/DC converter design mainly
2018-04-18T23:21:40 < stvn> I knows
2018-04-18T23:21:55 < stvn> The thermal stuff is most important
2018-04-18T23:22:02 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-18T23:23:27 < stvn> Unless china
2018-04-18T23:24:22 < kakimir> you can make a CC source from adjustable converter by having low side shunt connected to amplifier that takes inverted input from mcu and then that opamp output is used to drive a transistor that pulls down resistor divider for sense pin
2018-04-18T23:24:36 < kakimir> inverted input is current setting
2018-04-18T23:24:40 < kakimir> from mcu
2018-04-18T23:24:49 < kakimir> basic idea how it works
2018-04-18T23:24:54 < stvn> Or use 1 IC for the whole show
2018-04-18T23:25:04 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-18T23:25:05 < kakimir> hey
2018-04-18T23:25:16 < kakimir> I saw some cortex chips that had some converter in them once
2018-04-18T23:25:25 < kakimir> actually coverter chips with cortex in them
2018-04-18T23:25:40 < kakimir> anyone recall?
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2018-04-18T23:25:55 < kakimir> mad idea but actual product
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2018-04-18T23:28:52 < qyx> zyp: I would try some M12 to be more german-centric
2018-04-18T23:29:01 < qyx> some of them are good to 10A
2018-04-18T23:29:10 < qyx> also looks more pro
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2018-04-18T23:31:03 < zyp> got enough M12 stuff at work
2018-04-18T23:31:32 < qyx> fair enuf
2018-04-18T23:31:43 < zyp> ref. https://bin.jvnv.net/file/1kb6r.jpg
2018-04-18T23:31:54 < qyx> weipu then
2018-04-18T23:32:37 < zyp> seems inconvenient
2018-04-18T23:33:57 < qyx> phoenix contact, like
2018-04-18T23:34:06 < qyx> no weipu?
2018-04-18T23:34:27 < qyx> there are versions with large power pins and smaller data pins
2018-04-18T23:35:05 < qyx> SP13 is good to 13A
2018-04-18T23:35:17 < stvn> Wut is m12
2018-04-18T23:35:56 < qyx> connectors on zyp's picture
2018-04-18T23:36:38 < zyp> qyx, 13A only on 2 and 3 pol connectors
2018-04-18T23:36:42 < zyp> that's not very useful
2018-04-18T23:36:53 < stvn> I see
2018-04-18T23:36:58 < zyp> and they seem huge
2018-04-18T23:37:00 < qyx> mhm, true
2018-04-18T23:37:03 < qyx> they are not
2018-04-18T23:37:10 < qyx> ~the size of m12
2018-04-18T23:37:16 < zyp> yeah, M12 is huge
2018-04-18T23:37:23 < zyp> relatively speaking
2018-04-18T23:37:37 < qyx> i use some smallish
2018-04-18T23:38:00 < zyp> and I don't need IP68
2018-04-18T23:38:09 < qyx> banana plug then
2018-04-18T23:38:17 < zyp> haha
2018-04-18T23:38:39 < zyp> I'm still inclined to go with micro-fit or something like that
2018-04-18T23:39:21 < kakimir> zyp, now something interesting is happening in the pic
2018-04-18T23:39:33 < qyx> I was about to suggest some mil-c-5015
2018-04-18T23:41:12 < qyx> I am using those, they are nice and small https://www.tme.eu/sk/details/12d-04bmma-sl8001/zastrcky-a-zasuvky/amphenol/
2018-04-18T23:41:18 < qyx> *these
2018-04-18T23:41:22 < stvn> It’s a new LED board kakimir
2018-04-18T23:41:30 < kakimir> zyp, what is that thing?
2018-04-18T23:41:37 < zyp> kakimir, workstuff
2018-04-18T23:41:41 < stvn> :3
2018-04-18T23:41:52 < kakimir> at home?
2018-04-18T23:42:16 < zyp> no, I snapped that pic in .dk last year
2018-04-18T23:42:27 < zyp> validating the first assembled unit of a new design
2018-04-18T23:42:43 < zyp> now I got a bunch of those on my desk at the office
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2018-04-18T23:43:51 < stvn> Hi sir
2018-04-18T23:44:11 < kakimir> interesting cloverleaf shape
2018-04-18T23:44:18 < kakimir> did you come up with that shape?
2018-04-18T23:44:35 < zyp> no I'm only responsible for the software
2018-04-18T23:45:05 < zyp> the reason for the shape is to fit in a circular enclosure
2018-04-18T23:45:10 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-18T23:45:15 < kakimir> is that industry stuff?
2018-04-18T23:45:22 < kakimir> looks too fancy for consumer markets
2018-04-18T23:49:57 < zyp> well, yeah :p
2018-04-18T23:50:45 < zyp> we were working on specifying environment tests the other day, to confirm it'll work in both -40C and +70C
2018-04-18T23:50:51 < stvn> kakimir: is the rift in Africa the result of jungle beats
2018-04-18T23:50:57 < zyp> or was it +85C, idk
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2018-04-19T00:19:20 < kakimir> https://i.imgur.com/kD0gxqF.jpg friend is doing stuff in his livingroom
2018-04-19T00:19:32 < kakimir> he has drive unit, charger and stuff there
2018-04-19T00:19:59 < kakimir> do you recognize what is in the picture?
2018-04-19T00:20:51 < englishman> yes
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2018-04-19T00:21:19 < englishman> but that is a funny way to power a DMM
2018-04-19T00:22:23 < kakimir> see what DMM says? thing is serious
2018-04-19T00:26:48 < BrainDamage> is that a giant battery or is it a fuel cell?
2018-04-19T00:27:18 < kakimir> you don't recognize tesla battery modules stacked when you see them?
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2018-04-19T00:29:35 < BrainDamage> nope, i don't share brand fetishism unlike the majority of people
2018-04-19T00:30:24 < kakimir> I mean..
2018-04-19T00:30:45 < kakimir> where else you get shitload of battery capacity than from salvaged model s?
2018-04-19T00:30:56 < kakimir> and rather inexpensivelly
2018-04-19T00:30:58 < kakimir> lipos
2018-04-19T00:31:00 < BrainDamage> trains here have gigantic batteries
2018-04-19T00:31:06 < BrainDamage> altough they aren't lipos
2018-04-19T00:31:38 < zyp> neither are those
2018-04-19T00:35:19 < kakimir> in trains here lights go off and propulsion goes off immiditelly when power line is cut
2018-04-19T00:35:34 < zyp> oh, that reminds me of london
2018-04-19T00:35:39 < kakimir> maybe some dim emergency ligths
2018-04-19T00:36:20 < kakimir> there is no sense to drive trains with battery
2018-04-19T00:36:26 < zyp> the underground shit there, when they are running, lights are flickering
2018-04-19T00:37:02 < BrainDamage> the batteries are not for propulsion, they are to keep operating things like e-brakes, interocomunication doors, etc
2018-04-19T00:37:08 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-19T00:37:17 < kakimir> but you don't need huge batteries
2018-04-19T00:37:42 < kakimir> when you should have propulsion powered from batteries - even for slow speeds and short distances
2018-04-19T00:37:49 < kakimir> then it's huge battery
2018-04-19T00:37:56 < BrainDamage> they are human sized lead acid batteries
2018-04-19T00:38:02 < kakimir> how many?
2018-04-19T00:38:10 < BrainDamage> one array per carriage
2018-04-19T00:38:16 < kakimir> how many in array?
2018-04-19T00:38:31 < BrainDamage> i can only give you an estimate
2018-04-19T00:38:38 < kakimir> interesting
2018-04-19T00:38:51 < kakimir> I wonder if there is some inverter for onboard 220V
2018-04-19T00:38:52 < BrainDamage> each cell is ~10cm width, and the total width is ~2m or so
2018-04-19T00:39:07 < BrainDamage> so 20 cells
2018-04-19T00:39:12 < kakimir> because else the electricity would be totally shit because of all that arching
2018-04-19T00:39:22 < kakimir> and small glitches
2018-04-19T00:39:43 < kakimir> in connection to power line
2018-04-19T00:40:30 < kakimir> if it's totally mad they have some LC oscillating there in 50hz
2018-04-19T00:40:36 < kakimir> mad big LCs
2018-04-19T00:40:59 < BrainDamage> during winter the arcover is so bad it's like a traveling arc lamp
2018-04-19T00:41:11 < BrainDamage> you can't even look at it 50m away
2018-04-19T00:42:01 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-19T00:42:27 < kakimir> do they filter lower voltages with LC circuit BrainDamage?
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2018-04-19T00:42:52 < kakimir> it's train - load that 2000kg inductor in there - wont matter
2018-04-19T00:43:04 < kakimir> 10000kg of transformers? it's okay
2018-04-19T00:43:33 < BrainDamage> commuter trains here are DC
2018-04-19T00:43:38 < kakimir> 5000kg of batteries per car just to keep doors and intercom operating - okay
2018-04-19T00:43:38 < BrainDamage> high speed trains are AC
2018-04-19T00:43:49 < kakimir> there is no DC here
2018-04-19T00:44:09 < BrainDamage> yeah, I'm looking at a doc right now
2018-04-19T00:44:13 < BrainDamage> you have 15kV AC
2018-04-19T00:44:23 < BrainDamage> our is 3kV DC
2018-04-19T00:44:28 < kakimir> 25kV AC
2018-04-19T00:44:42 < BrainDamage> 25kV is the high speed supplies
2018-04-19T00:45:05 < BrainDamage> ah sorry, i was confused with sweden
2018-04-19T00:45:08 < BrainDamage> you have 25kV for both
2018-04-19T00:45:20 < BrainDamage> sweden & norway have 15kV AC
2018-04-19T00:45:48 < BrainDamage> ireland doesn't give a fuck apparently and has no aerials
2018-04-19T00:49:58 < kakimir> sweden can be better at everything else but higher voltage is what matters!
2018-04-19T00:53:47 < stvn> Eh?
2018-04-19T00:54:23 < stvn> Think au trains are 1500vdc
2018-04-19T00:55:59 < kakimir> there is no trains in au
2018-04-19T00:56:08 < kakimir> you don't have rails
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2018-04-19T00:56:38 < stvn> Ok
2018-04-19T00:57:04 < stvn> Considering I use trains 5 days a week
2018-04-19T00:57:09 < kakimir> http://www.railmaps.com.au/
2018-04-19T00:57:24 < kakimir> I have been lied to
2018-04-19T00:57:59 < stvn> I use trams too
2018-04-19T00:58:13 < kakimir> where do you live on this map stvn ?
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2018-04-19T00:59:40 < stvn> Melbourne
2018-04-19T01:07:37 < Laurenceb___> sup trolls
2018-04-19T01:07:43  * Laurenceb___ gave up on cepstrum
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2018-04-19T01:07:49 < Laurenceb___> shit doesnt work reliably
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2018-04-19T01:08:35 < Laurenceb___> I'm using brute force now - loop through all the harmonics for each fundamental frequency and add the power
2018-04-19T01:09:40 < BrainDamage> generall cepstrum is only used in bins
2018-04-19T01:10:14 < BrainDamage> using fast rolloff coefficients
2018-04-19T01:10:17 < Laurenceb___> ok
2018-04-19T01:10:21 < BrainDamage> eg mel-frequency cepstrum
2018-04-19T01:10:24 < Laurenceb___> although this thing is failing sometimes
2018-04-19T01:10:51 < Laurenceb___> as looking at low frequencies can give harmonics that match with all the harmonics of a higher fundamental
2018-04-19T01:11:06 < BrainDamage> what's your SNR?
2018-04-19T01:11:11 < Laurenceb___> maybe I should take product of the power in the series of harmonics
2018-04-19T01:11:21 < Laurenceb___> hmm maybe 4 or so
2018-04-19T01:11:25 < BrainDamage> iirc cepstrum-based systems are very sensitive wrt additive noise
2018-04-19T01:11:31 < BrainDamage> yeah, no wonder
2018-04-19T01:11:57 < Laurenceb___> ah ok
2018-04-19T01:12:54 < Laurenceb___> hmm sometimes some of the harmonics are missing
2018-04-19T01:12:58 < Laurenceb___> product might fail
2018-04-19T01:13:21 < Laurenceb___> there must be a statistic test...
2018-04-19T01:14:23 < Laurenceb___> maybe product of the sum and first bin power
2018-04-19T01:16:22 < stvn> The quefrency
2018-04-19T01:16:57 < stvn> Yeah that was real good
2018-04-19T01:22:29 < Laurenceb___> no that fails if second harmonic is quite a lot larger than the fundamental
2018-04-19T01:23:27 < Laurenceb___> I know
2018-04-19T01:23:36 < Laurenceb___> abs(fft(signal))
2018-04-19T01:23:53 < Laurenceb___> then take median of signal, zero everything below the median
2018-04-19T01:24:30 < Laurenceb___> find peaks of the remaining signal
2018-04-19T01:24:54 < Laurenceb___> add a peak at index 0, then find median distance between peaks
2018-04-19T01:25:39 < Laurenceb___> brute force and nasty, but I cant think of a case where it would fail... yet
2018-04-19T01:32:13 < Thorn> TESS launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY-0uBIYYKk
2018-04-19T01:57:08 < englishman> ty
2018-04-19T02:06:25 < Rob235> thought I finished porting all my code to stm32 then I realized I forgot stupid delay
2018-04-19T02:06:42 < Rob235> why is systick set for ms
2018-04-19T02:06:54 < Rob235> does setting it to us break anything?
2018-04-19T02:07:02 < Rob235> in hal
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2018-04-19T02:29:27 < Lux> sounds like a bad idea
2018-04-19T02:29:49 < Lux> if you are talking about the systick interrupt interval
2018-04-19T02:30:06 < Lux> there is also some register you can read for deducting us
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2018-04-19T02:48:56 < Rob235> yea I found some code, didnt feel like looking up registers and stuff.  I was going to change the interrupt code to run incTick every 10 interrupts and increment my own every tick but I didnt want that much interruption
2018-04-19T02:49:16 < Rob235> 1000*
2018-04-19T02:50:02 < Rob235> all code has been ported and errors gone.  time to see if it works
2018-04-19T03:14:48 < Rob235> sucess
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2018-04-19T05:06:17 < aandrew> hm xrdp on ubuntu gives me no fonts
2018-04-19T05:06:23 < aandrew> it sure is fsast though
2018-04-19T05:06:26 < aandrew> fast
2018-04-19T05:12:08 < englishman> sounds like lunix
2018-04-19T05:12:15 < englishman> doesnt do what you want. but it does it fast
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2018-04-19T05:18:09 < jadew> just saw Downsizing
2018-04-19T05:18:13 < jadew> I recommend it
2018-04-19T05:19:01 < jadew> the user reviews are full of complaints that it's not like the trailer, lucky for me, I don't watch trailers
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2018-04-19T05:26:28 < aandrew> I've got it downloaded but haven't watched it yet
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2018-04-19T08:00:00 < R0b0t1> How in the world does on use mbed
2018-04-19T08:00:03 < R0b0t1> one*
2018-04-19T08:05:44 < jpa-> if you are crazy, in web browser
2018-04-19T08:05:54 < jpa-> if you are sane, like any other library, as a git submodule
2018-04-19T08:06:10 < jpa-> if you are silly, you just copy all the files over to your own repo and newer update
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2018-04-19T08:12:26 < R0b0t1> Alright, is this the main repo? https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbed-os
2018-04-19T08:12:33 < R0b0t1> I can't tell from any of their various landing pages
2018-04-19T08:13:45 < jpa-> there are 452 main repos and no guide to them :P
2018-04-19T08:14:19 < jpa-> https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbed-os-docs   oh wait, there is a guide here
2018-04-19T08:14:50 < R0b0t1> Hmm
2018-04-19T08:14:53 < R0b0t1> Maybe this is not a good idea
2018-04-19T08:15:21 < jpa-> maybe the mbed cli makes sense then
2018-04-19T08:15:27 < jpa-> AFAIK it just automatically downloads those
2018-04-19T08:16:20 < jpa-> https://os.mbed.com/docs/v5.8/tutorials/quick-start-offline.html
2018-04-19T08:16:45 < R0b0t1> Ok, so I need to use their command line program
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2018-04-19T08:43:41 < dongs> mbed requires keil
2018-04-19T08:43:45 < dongs> unless that recently changed
2018-04-19T08:51:28 < jpa-> not very recently AFAIK
2018-04-19T08:51:38 < jpa-> they've supported IAR and GCC for a while now
2018-04-19T08:52:11 < jpa-> https://os.mbed.com/forum/mbed/topic/2701/?page=1   .. since 2011? :D
2018-04-19T08:54:06 < dongs> code sourcery lol
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2018-04-19T09:29:52 < dongs> christ some faggot just told me that buttchain is solving real life issues lol
2018-04-19T09:30:02 < dongs> with LEGIT USES
2018-04-19T09:32:45 < rajkosto> what real life issue is that ? not enough wasted power ?
2018-04-19T09:32:59 < dongs> i blocked him before i got to find out
2018-04-19T09:33:04 < dongs> nobody's got time for that shit
2018-04-19T09:33:18 < dongs> he was trying to sell me some new shitcoin
2018-04-19T09:33:19 < dongs> SUB
2018-04-19T09:33:31 < dongs> substratum or someshit
2018-04-19T09:33:33 < dongs> whatever the fuck it was
2018-04-19T09:33:35 < dongs> noped out of there
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2018-04-19T10:14:06 < Steffanx> <dongs> nobody's got time for that shit
2018-04-19T10:14:12 < Steffanx> Not even keil users?!
2018-04-19T10:15:42 < stvn> Hi sir
2018-04-19T10:16:38 < Steffanx> Welcome.
2018-04-19T10:16:39 < stvn> My keil has 2 buttons
2018-04-19T10:16:43 < dongs> ^ keil user
2018-04-19T10:16:48 < dongs> this guy keils
2018-04-19T10:16:56 < stvn> 1. Innovate 2. Pump
2018-04-19T10:17:18 < Steffanx> Stvn no longer keils
2018-04-19T10:17:38 < stvn> I do if/when I need to cortex
2018-04-19T10:17:53 < stvn> Which could be very soon
2018-04-19T10:18:15 < Steffanx> Work even paid for the license?!
2018-04-19T10:18:26 < stvn> If I need it
2018-04-19T10:18:36 < stvn> I’ve got one of my own
2018-04-19T10:18:42 < Steffanx> "need" :P
2018-04-19T10:18:47 < stvn> :)
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2018-04-19T10:24:31 < stvn> Why aren’t you in bed steffan
2018-04-19T10:27:25 < Steffanx> Its 9.27
2018-04-19T10:30:36 < stvn> Did you wake up Joel before you left?
2018-04-19T10:31:07 < dongs> wot
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2018-04-19T10:45:32 < zyp> sup?
2018-04-19T10:46:08 < dongs> innovating like fuck
2018-04-19T10:46:19 < dongs> this dickstarter investors are here
2018-04-19T10:46:26 < dongs> i wanna bone of of the chicks, she looks super fine
2018-04-19T10:48:34 < invzim> routing OCD..
2018-04-19T10:49:27 < dongs> at least youre using altium
2018-04-19T10:49:33 < dongs> so you can actually enjoy while routing
2018-04-19T10:49:42 < dongs> unlike kikecad/eagle people who have to SUFFER
2018-04-19T10:50:16 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-19T10:51:14 < invzim> it is hard stuff - would be interesting to see how the 'pros' do it
2018-04-19T10:51:32 < invzim> i.e, guidelines for trivial stuff, when it's good enough etc
2018-04-19T10:51:59 < dongs> i stop routing when it looks kawaii
2018-04-19T10:52:30 < invzim> one thing that bugs the hell out of me is when ripping up vias, a piece of trace is left in the center of it
2018-04-19T10:53:03 < dongs> wut
2018-04-19T10:53:05 < invzim> or that you can't unroute a trace without removing the via too
2018-04-19T10:53:19 < dongs> how the fuck are you placing vias to fail this
2018-04-19T10:53:35 < day> just altium things
2018-04-19T10:53:42 < dongs> or what usecase do you have for killing a trace but leaving a via (with same net)
2018-04-19T10:53:43 < zyp> haha
2018-04-19T10:54:07 < invzim> typically qfp breakout patterns
2018-04-19T10:54:12 < dongs> remove loops shit works 95% of the time
2018-04-19T10:54:23 < invzim> or fanout
2018-04-19T10:54:24 < zyp> yeah, automatic loop removal is the shit
2018-04-19T10:54:25 < dongs> for re-routing wit trashing original stuff
2018-04-19T10:54:41 < zyp> just redraw whatever trace you wanna change and the old one automatically disappears
2018-04-19T10:55:03 < zyp> when I wanna unroute shit, I usually just select the segments and delete them
2018-04-19T10:55:15 < dongs> or select + tab to select more to elete
2018-04-19T10:55:23 < dongs> or tab-tab to cover multiple layers of deletion
2018-04-19T10:55:47 < dongs> then if you REALLY want to keep the via you could ctrl=clcick it or somethign
2018-04-19T10:55:56 < dongs> but dropping the is so easy i dont really see a reason to keep
2018-04-19T10:56:10 < dongs> unless you're like this one jap i saw who was placing 'pads' as vias
2018-04-19T10:56:11 < dongs> using pp
2018-04-19T10:59:24 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zXDb3jQZS_ppocxtBWQvbXF8H-ppV-WH/view
2018-04-19T10:59:25 < invzim> OCD WIP
2018-04-19T11:00:28 < stvn> Kicad is actually better than eagle
2018-04-19T11:01:09 < invzim> riddle me this, which software is not better than eagle :)
2018-04-19T11:02:58 < dongs> invzim: doesnt look too terrible
2018-04-19T11:02:59 < stvn> Linux
2018-04-19T11:03:06 < dongs> eagle runs on lunix
2018-04-19T11:03:17 < dongs> can you imagine?
2018-04-19T11:03:28 < stvn> Aids and cancer at the same time
2018-04-19T11:04:06 < stvn> A rather unfortunate situation
2018-04-19T11:05:18 < invzim> dongs: you haven't seen the bottom layer :)
2018-04-19T11:06:26 < dongs> sure i have, its showing through
2018-04-19T11:06:44 < invzim> it's less than half the pcb
2018-04-19T11:07:19 < invzim> one thing I've been playing with is to put the 2x5 headers on solder side, as it will only be used for proto/dev
2018-04-19T11:08:19 < invzim> and use u.fl pads instead of test-points for stuff I'm likely to hook up to a scope
2018-04-19T11:09:37 < stvn> What are you designing
2018-04-19T11:10:24 < invzim> A new rev of this https://irkenlabs.com/retro-scaler-a1/introduction
2018-04-19T11:11:00 < invzim> with all stuff on one side and a for cyclone 10 LP, which is half the price of cyclone IV
2018-04-19T11:12:16 < dongs> what do RS485 pros do
2018-04-19T11:12:21 < dongs> do you pullup rede externally
2018-04-19T11:12:24 < dongs> or just let it float
2018-04-19T11:13:03 < invzim> glue them togheter and route it to your MCU
2018-04-19T11:14:10 < stvn> invzim: will it accept rgb from my super famicom
2018-04-19T11:14:25 < dongs> super famidog
2018-04-19T11:14:54 < invzim> no idea - I'm not really into consoles, but in theory yes
2018-04-19T11:15:02 < dongs> what is that trash for then
2018-04-19T11:15:04 < dongs> arkkkade?
2018-04-19T11:15:14 < stvn> ^
2018-04-19T11:15:23 < dongs> you gonna be the new donkeykong champion?
2018-04-19T11:15:30 < dongs> after they banned the cheater
2018-04-19T11:15:34 < stvn> hahahaha
2018-04-19T11:18:49 < stvn> The undisputed aspergers crown
2018-04-19T11:23:25 < dongs> without a doubt
2018-04-19T11:24:11 < stvn> The thought process behind his life is beyond imagination
2018-04-19T11:24:29 < dongs> 1. play donkeydong on MAME
2018-04-19T11:24:31 < dongs> 2. ???
2018-04-19T11:24:33 < dongs> 3. profit!
2018-04-19T11:24:57 < invzim> 1. Participate in scripted reality
2018-04-19T11:25:41 < invzim> I hadn't even heard about twin galaxies before dong of kong
2018-04-19T11:26:04 < dongs> havent you heard/ they're the authority on all game scores
2018-04-19T11:41:47 < stvn> My annoying video game collecting friend made me watch it several years ago
2018-04-19T11:42:06 < stvn> Such a shit ‘film’
2018-04-19T11:51:35 < dongs> what film
2018-04-19T11:51:45 < dongs> is o6 chatting or something
2018-04-19T11:51:51 < dongs> or leloo
2018-04-19T12:11:46 < stvn> No I was saying about that kong shit
2018-04-19T12:12:01 < stvn> Leloo is dead
2018-04-19T12:14:25 < invzim> any reason not to use 8mil as standard width for traces?
2018-04-19T12:16:39 < rajkosto> waste of space if your board house has better tolerances ?
2018-04-19T12:17:47 < stvn> Is it audiophile rated
2018-04-19T12:19:03 < invzim> I've been keeping rule at 10mil for an imagined 'robustness' but guess there is no point
2018-04-19T12:19:26 < rajkosto> i mean
2018-04-19T12:19:35 < rajkosto> if you dont need denser traces
2018-04-19T12:19:44 < rajkosto> then use whatever you want
2018-04-19T12:19:55 < rajkosto> fatter traces have lower trace impedance
2018-04-19T12:23:26 < rajkosto> and are better at carrying more current
2018-04-19T12:23:53 < invzim> yeah, but for 3v3 digtital stuff I guess it doesn't matter
2018-04-19T12:24:08 < rajkosto> whats the impedance of the driver ?
2018-04-19T12:24:18 < rajkosto> you can try matching that
2018-04-19T12:24:27 < rajkosto> OR, if its a dual layer board
2018-04-19T12:24:37 < rajkosto> you can make them thinner and make sure there's a gnd between each data trace
2018-04-19T12:24:52 < rajkosto> if they are "high speed"
2018-04-19T12:25:12 < rajkosto> GND islands are bad though, terminate the gnd at both ends with a via at least
2018-04-19T12:25:51 < invzim> how would that work in practice?
2018-04-19T12:26:09 < rajkosto> just put a via for the gnd ? near the chip ?
2018-04-19T12:26:46 < invzim> I've never actually seen that done :)
2018-04-19T12:27:10 < rajkosto> im just saying those in-between gnd traces are useless unless they are connected to something
2018-04-19T12:27:20 < rajkosto> so connect them with a via to the gnd stuff on the other side
2018-04-19T12:27:21 < invzim> i.e., the gnd trace between datalines
2018-04-19T12:27:37 < rajkosto> its how parallel ATA 80-conductor cables work
2018-04-19T12:27:46 < rajkosto> and all high speed flat flex cables
2018-04-19T12:27:48 < invzim> yes, but on an actual PCB
2018-04-19T12:28:12 < rajkosto> well on a double sided board, the "neighbouring trace" is way closer than the other side
2018-04-19T12:29:00 < invzim> Been meaning to read through this one http://www.thehighspeeddesignbook.com/
2018-04-19T12:29:11 < invzim> looks pretty good, and free for some strange reason
2018-04-19T12:29:51 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-04-19_11-29-42_1Q4UQB3Eo.png
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2018-04-19T12:30:41 < dongs> invzim: https://i.imgur.com/YDC1Efv.png
2018-04-19T12:30:56 < dongs> yea or wat he pasted
2018-04-19T12:31:15 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-04-19_11-31-11_kfKcU4D4N.png
2018-04-19T12:31:30 < rajkosto> without the vias at the ends the gnd "traces" are useless
2018-04-19T12:31:44 < rajkosto> as they become antennas
2018-04-19T12:33:23 < Laurenceb___> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43820794
2018-04-19T12:33:25 < invzim> any any point if you do 4layer with solid gnd plane?
2018-04-19T12:33:26 < Laurenceb___> my sides
2018-04-19T12:33:37 < rajkosto> invzim, no, at that point the GND plane below it is way closer
2018-04-19T12:34:05 < rajkosto> however you still can reduce interference between the lines by making them thinner and more further apart
2018-04-19T12:34:11 < Laurenceb___> never forget the asperger genocide
2018-04-19T12:46:03 < dongs> https://www.murata.com/en-us/about/newsroom/news/irnews/irnews/2018/0418 ok which one of you did this
2018-04-19T12:46:49 < stvn> not me
2018-04-19T12:56:11 < stvn> cats
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2018-04-19T13:02:09 < invzim> 0201 and smaller only!
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2018-04-19T13:11:14 < stvn> ok
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2018-04-19T13:45:35 < rajkosto> what constitutes medium and large
2018-04-19T13:48:47 < dongs> doesnt matter
2018-04-19T13:48:52 < dongs> the point is that they aren't stopping
2018-04-19T14:10:06 < rajkosto> medium is 0201 and large is 0402
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2018-04-19T15:01:12 < dongs> sup dongs
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2018-04-19T15:26:55 < dongs> https://twitter.com/Daniel_Bowers/status/984801199684833280 wat what the fuck does this even ean
2018-04-19T15:26:58 < dongs> mean
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2018-04-19T17:12:36 < Rob235> joyous day, robot control is mine. plotbot will be my slave and do my bidding
2018-04-19T17:12:51 < Steffanx> Lies.
2018-04-19T17:14:10 < Rob235> first command sent was to swap the dir pin on the stepper driver and it worked, just gotta write a spi string parser to make it do other stuff
2018-04-19T17:15:43 < Rob235> only thing I'm not sure about (which has been a problem for a while but doesnt affect anything so ive ignored it) is the shift register pin QH is always half on at around 1.6v
2018-04-19T17:16:23 < Rob235> nothing is connected to it so it doesnt really matter but i do find it curious
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2018-04-19T17:31:38 < R0b0t1`> Hello, someone gave me a link to setting up mbed offline
2018-04-19T17:31:43 < R0b0t1`> jpa-, was it you?
2018-04-19T17:31:51 < R0b0t1`> I am on a different computer - can you find it again? I am having no luck
2018-04-19T17:33:46 < Rob235> I just did that myself not too long ago.  just add the board you are using to the online compiler website.  I'm guessing it doesnt work online and will tell you the site to go to and how to set up the offline version.
2018-04-19T17:34:18 < Rob235> if it works online but you still want offline then add a board you know doesnt work online (I used the stm32f4 discovery board)
2018-04-19T17:35:20 < R0b0t1`> Wait, found it
2018-04-19T17:35:22 < R0b0t1`> https://os.mbed.com/docs/v5.7/tutorials/quick-start-offline.html
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2018-04-19T17:36:09 < R0b0t1`> No Windows release, though
2018-04-19T17:36:43 < dongs> wut
2018-04-19T17:36:49 < dongs> theres a windows exe right there
2018-04-19T17:36:52 < dongs> are you blind
2018-04-19T17:36:58 < dongs> Windows
2018-04-19T17:36:58 < dongs> 1. Install Mbed CLI
2018-04-19T17:37:00 < dongs> literally the 1st ste
2018-04-19T17:37:03 < dongs> p
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2018-04-19T17:38:27 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/lVqHXZs0Co4
2018-04-19T17:38:29 < Rob235> wut wut
2018-04-19T17:38:32 < Rob235> in the butt
2018-04-19T17:39:22 < R0b0t1`> The link doesn't work, though
2018-04-19T17:39:26 < R0b0t1`> There's a bundle
2018-04-19T17:39:36 < R0b0t1`> It may work in Cygwin, though
2018-04-19T17:41:35 < dongs> https://mbed-media.mbed.com/filer_public/7f/46/7f46e205-52f5-48e2-be64-8f30d52f6d75/mbed_installer_v041.exe
2018-04-19T17:41:40 < dongs> https://docs.mbed.com/docs/mbed-os-handbook/en/latest/dev_tools/cli_install/
2018-04-19T17:41:42 < dongs> no idea how ancient
2018-04-19T17:41:47 < dongs> it looks like mbed-cli is some python faggotry
2018-04-19T17:42:02 < dongs> https://os.mbed.com/blog/entry/windows-installer-for-mbed-cli/
2018-04-19T17:42:48 < Rob235> I installed it on mac, it was easy
2018-04-19T17:43:10 < Rob235> I only used it for a few days before switching over to cube though
2018-04-19T17:44:03 < dongs> the whole mbed thing reeks of faggotry
2018-04-19T17:47:58 < R0b0t1`> Dangit
2018-04-19T17:48:04 < R0b0t1`> I guess I need to pick one thing and stick with it
2018-04-19T17:48:08 < R0b0t1`> But they're all so horrible
2018-04-19T17:48:10 < R0b0t1`> No, I mean
2018-04-19T17:48:15 < R0b0t1`> I am so incapable
2018-04-19T17:48:16 < R0b0t1`> Yes
2018-04-19T17:48:28 < R0b0t1`> These are all very good and appropriate solutions but I have not put in enough work
2018-04-19T17:48:33 < R0b0t1`> The blame is squarely with me
2018-04-19T17:48:49 < Rob235> use stdPeriph or cube
2018-04-19T17:49:41 < Rob235> with keil or eclipse setup
2018-04-19T17:49:54 < Rob235> takes some time to learn but worth it
2018-04-19T17:50:18 < Rob235> im using cube for the first time and its a bit confusing to start with but it gets the job done
2018-04-19T17:50:28 < Rob235> id go back to stdperiph if I didnt already get everything working
2018-04-19T17:50:46 < R0b0t1`> Well, I have a workflow that produces code with Make (via Cube or opencm3) and then debug with with GCC using OpenOCD
2018-04-19T17:50:56 < R0b0t1`> What is getting me is the library is so obtuse
2018-04-19T17:51:08 < R0b0t1`> Maybe if I just stick with Cube my code will not be very pretty but will work
2018-04-19T17:51:19 < R0b0t1`> opencm3 seems to only work on very old devices now
2018-04-19T17:51:27 < Rob235> never looked at opencm3
2018-04-19T17:51:42 < Rob235> cube is ugly as hell
2018-04-19T17:53:52 < Rob235> alright, time to write a command parser so I can get more interesting videos to annoy you guys with
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2018-04-19T19:42:51 < Rob235> where is everyone
2018-04-19T19:44:16 < Rob235> how does spi with dma work in cube?  you have to set the number of bytes to read so whats the best way to read an unknown number of bytes? should I have a packet of a specific size that says what to expect so I know how many to read?
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2018-04-19T19:58:45 < kakimir> hello summer
2018-04-19T19:58:59 < kakimir> got a raise today
2018-04-19T19:59:20 < kakimir> 15%
2018-04-19T19:59:39 < englishman> \o/
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2018-04-19T20:09:14 < kakimir> why there is 2 opposite TVS diodes in input?
2018-04-19T20:09:22 < kakimir> what is the meaning of this!!
2018-04-19T20:09:48 < kakimir> why not just put one TVS across the input and that's it?
2018-04-19T20:10:18 < antto> black magic
2018-04-19T20:10:38 < kakimir> tell me
2018-04-19T20:10:47 < kakimir> .. teach me master
2018-04-19T20:10:56 < antto> do i look like gandalf?
2018-04-19T20:12:20 < kakimir> hmm.. you look like frodo
2018-04-19T20:12:44 < kakimir> https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frodo_Reppuli#/media/File:Frodo_by_Mark_Ferrari.jpg
2018-04-19T20:15:07 < antto> >:(
2018-04-19T20:15:24  * antto zaps kakimir with 3.3 volts
2018-04-19T20:15:38 < kakimir> me ded
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2018-04-19T20:25:38 < Laurenceb__> sup trolls
2018-04-19T20:25:44 < Laurenceb__> https://pastebin.com/7dac1qee
2018-04-19T20:25:49 < Laurenceb__> muh harmonic remove works
2018-04-19T20:26:14 < antto> wut kind of language is that
2018-04-19T20:27:13 < antto> and why would you want to remove harmonics? r u a demon of chaos?
2018-04-19T20:27:16 < Laurenceb__> methlab
2018-04-19T20:27:23 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-04-19T20:27:28 < Laurenceb__> literally
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2018-04-19T20:34:14 < Steffanx> Laurenceb__ - Mission 2: port it to readable C
2018-04-19T20:49:42 < PaulFertser> btw, what's bad about matlad/octave language?
2018-04-19T20:50:26 < Laurenceb__> it can be rather slow
2018-04-19T20:50:59 < Laurenceb__> I find it way simpler than numpy
2018-04-19T20:51:37 < Laurenceb__> but if you want to write out loads of extra shit then numpy will be faster
2018-04-19T20:53:07 < BrainDamage> matlab has shitload of builtin functions unlike numpy
2018-04-19T20:53:34 < BrainDamage> but the moment you stop using matlab as a glue language, all its advantages are gone
2018-04-19T21:01:12 < jpa-> "builtin" as in sold for huge price in separate packages?
2018-04-19T21:02:16 < BrainDamage> there's a decent set that's sold in the basic package
2018-04-19T21:02:29 < BrainDamage> but yes, the majority of the toolboxes are billed separately
2018-04-19T21:05:16 < BrainDamage> ( that being said, i use numpy, to the chagrin of dawngs )
2018-04-19T21:07:15 < jpa-> why not fortran77?
2018-04-19T21:08:23 < BrainDamage> because the best fortran libs are already wrapped in douzens of languages, and fortran 77 in particular has a rather infamous reputation
2018-04-19T21:08:56 < BrainDamage> i haven't checked it personally, but i don't have the time atm to learn yet another programming language
2018-04-19T21:09:17 < jpa-> my mom always recommends it but i haven't bothered learning it either
2018-04-19T21:09:36 < PaulFertser> Haha, f77 is really horrible by today's standards. But f4 was even worse :)
2018-04-19T21:10:22 < jpa-> there should be F4 port to STM32F4
2018-04-19T21:11:05 < BrainDamage> also, if i were to pick up fortran, I'd use AT LEAST fortran 90, free form source input and not having to shout allcaps would significantly lower my blood pressure
2018-04-19T21:11:06 < PaulFertser> I had to make some old fortran programs work with gfortran. The language itself seemed really basic and trivial. I can understand its appeal if all you have to choose from is C, basic and assembler.
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2018-04-19T21:23:38 < Laurenceb__> sheet
2018-04-19T21:23:43 < Laurenceb__> over 1k lines of methlab
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2018-04-19T21:24:14 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/97da629b09/106112.png
2018-04-19T21:24:18 < Laurenceb__> shit works epically tho
2018-04-19T21:24:47 < Laurenceb__> tracking shitty IEPE accels down to 2hz now
2018-04-19T21:29:50 < chris_99> Hi, i'm just wondering would it be possible to generate a 4.8MHz clock using the timer of an STM32 rather than say using SPI, and then reading data in from another pin  (i have a SPH0641LU4H-1 microphone, which produces PDM data)
2018-04-19T21:32:03 < kakimir> Laurenceb__, more resolutions plx
2018-04-19T21:32:07 < Laurenceb__> depends if you need the exact frequency
2018-04-19T21:32:31 < kakimir> baby shakker?
2018-04-19T21:32:39 < Laurenceb__> kakimir: yup
2018-04-19T21:32:42 < Laurenceb__> with babby on it
2018-04-19T21:33:09 < Laurenceb__> thats with reference sensor on the shakker and "device" sensor on the babby
2018-04-19T21:34:20 < chris_99> Laurenceb__:   for exact frequency would SPI be better you mean, or..?
2018-04-19T21:34:49 < Laurenceb__> yes
2018-04-19T21:34:52 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2018-04-19T21:34:57 < Laurenceb__> actually I dont think so
2018-04-19T21:37:32 < chris_99> ah interesting, so if i used a timer, i presume i'd just read the 1-bit data from the mic, from the timer routine, which is generating the clock?
2018-04-19T21:38:54 < Laurenceb__> you might be able to do something with dma
2018-04-19T21:39:04 < Laurenceb__> maybe with input capture of slaving spi off the timer
2018-04-19T21:44:20 < jpa-> chris_99: exact frequency is easier to make with timer, but capturing the pin state is easier with spi
2018-04-19T21:44:29 < jpa-> though you can do it with dma triggered by the timer
2018-04-19T21:44:49 < jpa-> just that if you have a lot of other dma load on the cpu there might be some delays
2018-04-19T21:44:53 < chris_99> ah gotcha, yeah i think https://community.st.com/thread/28207 is what you mean by dma ?
2018-04-19T21:45:01 < chris_99> with a clock and dma capture
2018-04-19T21:45:22 < jpa-> i would just DMA copy from the GPIOx->IDR register
2018-04-19T21:45:36 < jpa-> though i guess for PDM the timer input capture could make sense also
2018-04-19T21:45:58 < chris_99> oh you mean it's possible to continuosuly use DMA to write the pin state to memory?
2018-04-19T21:46:03 < chris_99> without a clock
2018-04-19T21:46:14 < jpa-> well you can clock it from a timer, but yeah
2018-04-19T21:46:52 < jpa-> you won't be reading at 4.8MHz from an interrupt though, so that approach is out
2018-04-19T21:47:06 < chris_99> ah yeah, but with DMA that is possible?
2018-04-19T21:47:40 < jpa-> should be if your cpu is running at atleast 28 MHz and there is not much other load
2018-04-19T21:48:00 < chris_99> ah yeah it's a 72MHz cpu
2018-04-19T21:48:02 < jpa-> spi would probably be easier though
2018-04-19T21:48:18 < jpa-> (for the input capturing)
2018-04-19T21:49:07 < chris_99> ah gotcha,   which would you say, for my application would result in the lowest CPU usage, if that's possible to tell. As i was planning on filtering the output of the PDM on the MCU
2018-04-19T21:50:45 < jpa-> SPI would be lowest cpu usage (of course use DMA to move data from SPI to memory then); because SPI packs 8 bits of the input data into one byte, while if you DMA out of GPIO directly, you'll have 8 bits of data of which only 1 bit you care about, so lots of unnecessary data being moved around
2018-04-19T21:51:19 < c10ud> you can run your dma from a timer
2018-04-19T21:51:47 < chris_99> ah cheers, that's a good point about the packing with SPI
2018-04-19T21:51:55 < jpa-> SPI can only generate clocks divided by /8 /16 etc. freqs, so either you have to configure APBx clock at the weird frequency of 38.4 MHz, or generate the 4.8MHz signal with a timer and then connect that to the SPI clock pin outside the cpu
2018-04-19T21:56:37 < chris_99> ah gotcha, the freq doesn't have to be exactly 4.8MHz afaik
2018-04-19T21:57:06 < jpa-> yeah, it usually doesn't if you just filter it anyway and don't store directly
2018-04-19T22:00:48 < jpa-> (though if you want a specific samplerate out, your input clock being a multiple of it would make things easier)
2018-04-19T22:03:28 < chris_99> mm. So just to make sure i don't screw up re. spi, it would just be say spi1_sck and spi1_miso, and just leave spi1_mosi unconnected right
2018-04-19T22:03:40 < jpa-> yeah
2018-04-19T22:03:54 < chris_99> cheers
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2018-04-19T22:06:38 < Steffanx> Using a timer output as spi clock input isnt that bad.. if it works :P
2018-04-19T22:07:52 < Steffanx> Real pro's go lpc and use the sgpio some of them have.
2018-04-19T22:08:33 < jpa-> if you'll be filtering with the typical cascaded integrator-comb construct, popcount on 32 bit word takes about 12 cycles, then a few more cycles to fetch the data and to sum it so maybe 20 cycles per word; so at 72MHz cpu freq and 4.8MHz mic freq that would give about 4% cpu load for the filtering
2018-04-19T22:11:29 < chris_99> sorry you mean i'd only have 4% cpu for filtering if i was doing spi+dma, or you mean with the dma+clock approach
2018-04-19T22:11:44 < jpa-> spi+dma
2018-04-19T22:13:36 < chris_99> ah darn
2018-04-19T22:13:38 < jpa-> with dma+timer, you'd have words to fetch at approx 2.4MHz rate (half of bits 1) so that would be 3% right there, and then a few percent more for the summing.. so i'd guesstimate some 7% cpu load for dma+timer and some 10% for dma+gpio
2018-04-19T22:13:52 < jpa-> so not too much even then
2018-04-19T22:14:40 < jpa-> dma+gpio is the universal peripheral, when you have nothing else ;)
2018-04-19T22:15:07 < chris_99> heh
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2018-04-19T22:40:48 < kakimir> movie recommends ?!
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2018-04-19T22:42:28 < Steffanx> Downsizing.
2018-04-19T22:42:57 < Steffanx> Did the newest maze runner kakimir?
2018-04-19T22:43:02 < Steffanx> Although it's fucking terrible
2018-04-19T22:43:06 < kakimir> well
2018-04-19T22:43:13 < kakimir> first one was like meg
2018-04-19T22:43:16 < kakimir> meh
2018-04-19T22:43:24 < kakimir> second one was like - I want my time back
2018-04-19T22:43:37 < Steffanx> last one is ... more of that
2018-04-19T22:44:00 < kakimir> Steffanx, I'll se downsizing
2018-04-19T22:44:18 < Steffanx> Excellent role for Matt Damon imho.
2018-04-19T22:44:19 < kakimir> btw. are you Steffanx 2meters long?
2018-04-19T22:44:25 < BrainDamage> memento
2018-04-19T22:44:33 < kakimir> nope BrainDamage
2018-04-19T22:44:44 < Steffanx> thats too old for kakimir.
2018-04-19T22:44:56 < Steffanx> and weird, kakimir needs something straight forward.
2018-04-19T22:45:01 < Steffanx> no, im not kakimir.
2018-04-19T22:45:16 < kakimir> oh.. 2.1meters then
2018-04-19T22:45:29 < kakimir> most typical
2018-04-19T22:45:42 < Steffanx> more like 1.85
2018-04-19T22:46:01 < kakimir> oh
2018-04-19T22:46:08 < kakimir> me is 1.82
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2018-04-19T22:47:26 < Steffanx> aha
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2018-04-19T22:48:03 < BrainDamage> in before Steffanx says i am tiny
2018-04-19T22:48:46 < Steffanx> pfff, im a nice guy. I know you dont like me to say that.
2018-04-19T22:49:02 < BrainDamage> damn negative atmosphere
2018-04-19T22:49:18 < Steffanx> i thought about it and .. then was like: meeh
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2018-04-19T22:52:07 < kakimir> Steffanx, are hollanders still growing at pace?
2018-04-19T22:52:47 < Steffanx> In size or .. in amount of people?
2018-04-19T22:52:55 < BrainDamage> width
2018-04-19T22:53:02 < Steffanx> That for sure.
2018-04-19T22:54:11 < kakimir> height
2018-04-19T22:54:49 < Steffanx> Not really i think. We no longer have the wet feet isue.
2018-04-19T22:55:04 < kakimir> :D
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2018-04-19T23:12:14 < englishman> ordering PIC18F4550T
2018-04-19T23:12:26 < zyp> :(
2018-04-19T23:12:31 < englishman> :(
2018-04-19T23:12:47 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Steffanx] by ChanServ
2018-04-19T23:12:53 -!- mode/##stm32 [+b *!~englishma@*.cloner.services] by Steffanx
2018-04-19T23:13:20 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ
2018-04-19T23:13:27 -!- mode/##stm32 [-b *!*@speedy.cloner.services] by englishman
2018-04-19T23:13:30 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by englishman
2018-04-19T23:13:39 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o englishman] by englishman
2018-04-19T23:13:49 < Steffanx> This was love btw, no hate.
2018-04-19T23:14:37 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ
2018-04-19T23:14:39 <@englishman> i accept your love, and also can take steps to protect my chat rights. the two are not mutually exclusive
2018-04-19T23:15:04 -!- mode/##stm32 [-b *!~englishma@*.cloner.services] by englishman
2018-04-19T23:15:14 -!- mode/##stm32 [-b *!*@cca100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] by englishman
2018-04-19T23:15:17 -!- mode/##stm32 [-b *!~laurence@host31-49-125-78.range31-49.btcentralplus.com] by englishman
2018-04-19T23:15:26 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o englishman] by englishman
2018-04-19T23:15:28 < qyx> tidying up?
2018-04-19T23:15:42 < Steffanx> i think that kawaiichat is still quieted :P
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2018-04-19T23:16:45 < englishman> ha theres still lots in that list
2018-04-19T23:16:59 < BrainDamage> Steffanx's list
2018-04-19T23:17:45 < englishman> probably going to land this design and assembly contract for the largest maple syrup producer
2018-04-19T23:18:00 < BrainDamage> a harrowing tale of a struggle against the impending waves of memetic nonsense
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2018-04-19T23:23:40 < Steffanx> fyi it's not me in control: https://imgur.com/a/K2eyEU2
2018-04-19T23:24:39 < BrainDamage> la vida loca with volume up to 11
2018-04-19T23:24:55 < BrainDamage> i assume living is obscured from the cat
2018-04-19T23:25:02 < BrainDamage> and you're listening to ricky martin
2018-04-19T23:25:06 < Steffanx> no clue what that is though.
2018-04-19T23:25:42 < Steffanx> I dont listen to that lol... i just opened spotify.
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2018-04-19T23:27:07 < BrainDamage> screenshots don't lie
2018-04-19T23:28:13 < Steffanx> Screenshot doesnt show what's playing.
2018-04-19T23:28:44 < Steffanx> (it cant because nothing was playing :P )
2018-04-19T23:29:12 < stvn> The morning pump
2018-04-19T23:29:19 < Steffanx> Good evening stvn.
2018-04-19T23:29:46 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumping_station
2018-04-19T23:32:40 < Steffanx> :D
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2018-04-19T23:54:10 < stvn> Hi stffn
2018-04-19T23:54:18 < stvn> Welcome BrainDamage
2018-04-19T23:56:11 < Steffanx> 🖐️
2018-04-19T23:56:54 < stvn> 🌴
2018-04-19T23:59:54 < Steffanx> 👨🏻‍🎤
--- Day changed Fri Apr 20 2018
2018-04-20T00:00:25 < stvn> Where is senpai?
2018-04-20T00:01:08 < Steffanx> 🛌
2018-04-20T00:03:22 < englishman> 🍆
2018-04-20T00:03:35 < Steffanx> Und stvn? 🚄?
2018-04-20T00:03:46 < invzim> pours for LDO's - avoid reliefs?
2018-04-20T00:06:37 < stvn> Hedde
2018-04-20T00:08:07 < englishman> always relief
2018-04-20T00:09:08 < invzim> doesn't that kind of defeat the point of a copper pour to draw heat from the pin?
2018-04-20T00:09:55 < englishman> not really
2018-04-20T00:09:58 < englishman> reflow is short term
2018-04-20T00:10:25 < englishman> if you let your pcb in reflow for hours, they will be the same temp eventualy
2018-04-20T00:11:27 < invzim> yeah, but I mean in operation
2018-04-20T00:11:30 < invzim> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tlv733p.pdf
2018-04-20T00:11:54 < invzim> page 19  has a layout example - but with reliefs, it doesn't really look like the figure :)
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2018-04-20T00:13:39 < zyp> thermals aren't really that important for reflow either, since you're heating the entire board anyway
2018-04-20T00:13:51 < zyp> it's more an issue for spot rework
2018-04-20T00:14:38 < invzim> so no relief for LDO pours?
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2018-04-20T00:27:00 < englishman> hmm yeah you will be fine
2018-04-20T00:27:07 < englishman> no tombstoning or alignment
2018-04-20T00:27:11 < englishman> ignore me
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2018-04-20T00:39:34 < Steffanx> Ok
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2018-04-20T00:50:00 < Laurenceb___> sup trolls
2018-04-20T00:50:08 < Laurenceb___> muh shakker, muh babby
2018-04-20T00:52:53 < Laurenceb___> today I've been dressed in muh ebil lab coat, gluing probes to peoples babbies
2018-04-20T00:54:47 < Ultrasauce> it's 11pm, do you know where your shakers are??
2018-04-20T00:55:24 < BrainDamage> just assume that 99% of what laurenceb says it's made up shit
2018-04-20T00:55:54 < Laurenceb___> >today
2018-04-20T00:56:06 < Laurenceb___> >implying I'm in basement lair right now
2018-04-20T00:56:09 < stvn> The babby
2018-04-20T00:56:31 < Laurenceb___> SHAKE IT
2018-04-20T00:56:56 < Laurenceb___> instane besament lab form shakken babby
2018-04-20T00:58:07 < stvn> Shake and bake
2018-04-20T00:58:12 < Laurenceb___> >designated shitposting board
2018-04-20T00:59:54 < Laurenceb___> anyways, my harmonic remover is working
2018-04-20T01:00:23 < Laurenceb___> now I can shake the babby at low frequencies down to 2hz
2018-04-20T01:02:30 < Laurenceb___> https://imgoat.com/uploads/97da629b09/106157.jpg
2018-04-20T01:02:38 < Laurenceb___> tfw
2018-04-20T01:03:10 < stvn> ROFL
2018-04-20T01:08:24 < Laurenceb___> https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/tori-43821404
2018-04-20T01:10:01 < stvn> Wtf
2018-04-20T01:10:36 < BrainDamage> it's a talk filter, if you see it applies for every piece of text
2018-04-20T01:10:42 < BrainDamage> including other headlines
2018-04-20T01:19:03 < Laurenceb___> yet another example of why the mandela effect is prob real
2018-04-20T01:19:14 < Laurenceb___> we are living in the meme world now
2018-04-20T01:22:14 < stvn> What is Mandela effect
2018-04-20T01:24:27 < Laurenceb___> >what is google
2018-04-20T01:25:16 < Laurenceb___> not to be confused with Searl effect or Woodward effect
2018-04-20T01:26:43 < stvn> or the nigger problem?
2018-04-20T01:27:20 < Laurenceb___> or the "Dean drive"
2018-04-20T01:27:30 < Laurenceb___> the most hilariously named antigravity device
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2018-04-20T01:29:25 < Laurenceb___> https://imgoat.com/uploads/97da629b09/106158.jpg
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2018-04-20T01:46:27 < stvn> Where do you find the best memes Laurenceb___
2018-04-20T01:46:44 < Laurenceb___> the chans of course
2018-04-20T01:46:51 < Laurenceb___> also nasaspaceflight
2018-04-20T01:46:57 < stvn> Heh
2018-04-20T01:47:01 < Laurenceb___> for physics related insanity
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2018-04-20T02:13:59 < stvn> Like emdrive?
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2018-04-20T02:15:48 < BrainDamage> what is more interesting is that those insanities seem to be cyclical, i wonder what's the social factor that produces the periodicity
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2018-04-20T02:23:32 < ohsix> wut
2018-04-20T02:24:53 < Ultrasauce> switch in signal at ~1pm LT, from postulated superregenerative to quantum  illumination signal + scale transformation and nonlinearity-inducing  properties in log|p|/p tangential surface waves, and emission inducing),  and atmospheric decoherence inducing signal (sig2)
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2018-04-20T02:31:14 < Rob235> yeaaaa bitches https://youtu.be/kGnLyq6hYqg
2018-04-20T02:32:21 < Laurenceb___> Ultrasauce: u copypastaing from nasaspaceflight?
2018-04-20T02:33:11 < Laurenceb___> reads like it
2018-04-20T02:33:54 < Ultrasauce> no i have a much better source
2018-04-20T02:34:42 < Laurenceb___> please not #physics?
2018-04-20T02:34:49 < Laurenceb___> i didnt realise it had got that bad
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2018-04-20T02:37:50 < englishman> illuminati signal
2018-04-20T02:38:40 < Laurenceb___> to be fair I thought "quantised inertia" made sense
2018-04-20T02:38:48 < Laurenceb___> then I read the "paper"...
2018-04-20T02:38:58 < Laurenceb___> he still might be onto something
2018-04-20T02:39:47 < Laurenceb___> just lack the skills to do actual physics
2018-04-20T02:40:10 < Laurenceb___> somehow he got ukp1.3M in funding
2018-04-20T02:40:59 < englishman> less than babbyshaker
2018-04-20T02:41:03 < Laurenceb___> there has got to be some sort of test
2018-04-20T02:41:06 < Laurenceb___> heh true
2018-04-20T02:41:49 < englishman> what paper are you talking about
2018-04-20T02:42:02 < Laurenceb___> but it will save over 9 brazillian lives real soon now
2018-04-20T02:42:06 < Laurenceb___> 1 sec
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2018-04-20T02:42:37 < englishman> are there stm32 in it
2018-04-20T02:42:38 < Laurenceb___> http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1209/0295-5075/118/34003/pdf
2018-04-20T02:42:50 < Laurenceb___> there are in the babbyshake sensors, yes
2018-04-20T02:43:17 < Laurenceb___> dat figure 2, my sides
2018-04-20T02:43:27 < Laurenceb___> those thrust figures are real reliable
2018-04-20T02:43:38 < englishman> Shawyer [1] demonstrated that when
2018-04-20T02:43:38 < englishman> microwaves resonate within a truncated-cone–shaped cavity
2018-04-20T02:43:38 < englishman> a small, unexplained thrust and acceleration occurs
2018-04-20T02:43:38 < englishman> towards the narrow end.
2018-04-20T02:43:44 < englishman> theres really no need to read past this, is there
2018-04-20T02:43:57 < Laurenceb___> haha
2018-04-20T02:44:50 < Laurenceb___> that guy is an actual professor and is supervising a PhD working on emdrive
2018-04-20T02:45:04 < Laurenceb___> and I thought my thesis was a bit tricky to manage
2018-04-20T02:45:29 < Laurenceb___> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.01179.pdf
2018-04-20T02:45:37 < BrainDamage> a scatter pattern in a log-log plot
2018-04-20T02:45:49 < BrainDamage> aka we have random numbers
2018-04-20T02:47:18 < Laurenceb___> oh wow https://arxiv.org/pdf/1610.06787.pdf
2018-04-20T02:47:37 < Laurenceb___> those particle mass "proofs"
2018-04-20T02:47:55 < Laurenceb___> literally 1/(a/b)=b/a
2018-04-20T02:49:31 < Laurenceb___> >this guy is a uni academic and supervisor
2018-04-20T02:49:33 < englishman> hard to argue with that
2018-04-20T02:50:00 < Laurenceb___> dat electron mass derivation
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2018-04-20T02:56:18 < Laurenceb___> http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/04/19/kassam-announces-new-book-enoch-right-available-now/
2018-04-20T02:56:21 < Laurenceb___> this timeline
2018-04-20T02:56:27 < Laurenceb___> I cant even right now
2018-04-20T02:57:02 < Laurenceb___> I guess nazi muslims were a thing first time round so...
2018-04-20T02:57:35 < Laurenceb___> inb4 he publishes "hitler was right"
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2018-04-20T04:41:08 < dongs> hello dongs
2018-04-20T05:07:19 < jadew> what phones are currently considered the best?
2018-04-20T05:07:49 < jadew> my phone is probably 4 years old (still works, but looks like shit)
2018-04-20T05:07:59 < Ultrasauce> highly recommend xiaomi mi a1
2018-04-20T05:08:34 < jadew> thanks, I'll check it out
2018-04-20T05:08:38 < jadew> never heard of that brand before
2018-04-20T05:09:06 < englishman> ^
2018-04-20T05:09:19 < englishman> nice to hear you like it ultradick
2018-04-20T05:09:29 < englishman> i had to get my pink one replaced, now it's boring black
2018-04-20T05:10:02 < jadew> you have the same phone?
2018-04-20T05:10:10 < jadew> I see it has great reviews
2018-04-20T05:10:48 < englishman> yea
2018-04-20T05:11:29 < jadew> doesn't look bad
2018-04-20T05:11:51 < jadew> they all look the same these days, isn't it?
2018-04-20T05:12:36 < jadew> I see it's dual sim, that's neat
2018-04-20T05:14:15 < jadew> any thoughts on huawei p10? someone recommended me this one
2018-04-20T05:14:33 < jadew> seems to have about 20 times more reviews, similarly positive
2018-04-20T05:15:27 < Ultrasauce> huawei's software sucks. so does xiaomi's but the a1 is androidone
2018-04-20T05:15:53 < jadew> good to know, I was hoping for a clean android
2018-04-20T05:16:25 < englishman> HiSilicon Kirin 960
2018-04-20T05:22:56 < dongs> there was something that didnt look bad but i forgot what it was.
2018-04-20T05:22:59 < dongs> with 960fps cam
2018-04-20T05:23:06 < dongs> might have been p20 nonpro
2018-04-20T05:23:34 < jadew> god... phones these days are filming in 4k?
2018-04-20T05:23:40 < dongs> did you know? if I could get a refund on ~4k eur i blew on FPS1000 i could buy several phones that can record 720p@960fps
2018-04-20T05:23:54 < dongs> (fps1000 dickstarter)
2018-04-20T05:24:25 < jadew> hold on, that's frames per second? wtf?
2018-04-20T05:24:30 < dongs> yeah
2018-04-20T05:24:38 < dongs> adude what rock have you been under
2018-04-20T05:24:44 < dongs> 240 fps has been standard for eyars
2018-04-20T05:24:52 < jadew> I haven't changed my phone in years
2018-04-20T05:25:06 < jadew> and when I did, I got the smallest one I could find, didn't check features
2018-04-20T05:25:57 < jadew> yeah... the p20 does 720p@960fps
2018-04-20T05:25:59 < jadew> that's amazing
2018-04-20T05:26:18 < dongs> the software on huawei is really trash tho
2018-04-20T05:26:18 < R0b0t1> How or where dongs
2018-04-20T05:26:26 < dongs> like worse than plain assdroid
2018-04-20T05:26:39 < R0b0t1> I've seen the highspeed feature on some phones, but can it be done continuously?
2018-04-20T05:26:49 < dongs> no, not continously
2018-04-20T05:26:52 < dongs> like 0.5sec or someshit
2018-04-20T05:26:53 < R0b0t1> Does it dump the frames to on-die SRAM or to main RAM?
2018-04-20T05:26:55 < R0b0t1> Oh
2018-04-20T05:26:58 < R0b0t1> So on-die?
2018-04-20T05:27:10 < R0b0t1> Do you know any cameras with open firmware
2018-04-20T05:28:10 < R0b0t1> jadew: Look at the Sony Xperia XZ Premium
2018-04-20T05:28:18 < R0b0t1> 4k screen and decent camera
2018-04-20T05:28:21 < dongs> sony can go fuck themselves
2018-04-20T05:28:26 < dongs> 4K screen is useless in a phone
2018-04-20T05:28:29 < dongs> absolutely useless
2018-04-20T05:28:31 < R0b0t1> I know someone who owns one, they say it is rather nice
2018-04-20T05:28:52 < R0b0t1> Not so dongs, at typical viewing distance it is finally at the point where you can't resolve a pixel
2018-04-20T05:29:00 < R0b0t1> For desktop monitors that resolution is more like 8k
2018-04-20T05:29:24 < R0b0t1> Admittedly there are some strong feelings about Sony
2018-04-20T05:29:29 < R0b0t1> https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices
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2018-04-20T05:32:32 < jadew> dongs, is the fps1000 the one made by that guy on youtube?
2018-04-20T05:32:47 < dongs> not sure. its a dickstarter
2018-04-20T05:32:49 < jadew> (he sent them to a couple of known youtubers)
2018-04-20T05:32:52 < dongs> but looks like he finally posted some update in january
2018-04-20T05:32:55 < dongs> so maybe i will get something that works
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2018-04-20T05:33:00 < dongs> possibly
2018-04-20T05:33:13 < dongs> i think im backed for platinum fps1000 or something
2018-04-20T05:33:18 < dongs> which means he should just send me fps4000 for free
2018-04-20T05:33:25 < dongs> for wasting my time for like 5 years
2018-04-20T05:34:10 < dongs> n e g r o
2018-04-20T05:34:46 < jadew> I'm thinking about this one: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1714585446/chronos-14-high-speed-camera
2018-04-20T05:34:49 < jadew> seems more expensive
2018-04-20T05:34:57 < jadew> *it is
2018-04-20T05:35:45 < R0b0t1> Wow dongs 5 years
2018-04-20T05:35:52 < R0b0t1> I'd find a way to get my money back at that point
2018-04-20T05:35:59 < R0b0t1> Didn't he put up some kind of timeline?
2018-04-20T05:49:02 < dongs> lol dude.
2018-04-20T05:49:06 < dongs> > getting money back from dickstarter
2018-04-20T05:49:20 < dongs> i mean, im eventually gonan get something im not worrie
2018-04-20T05:49:22 < dongs> its only 4k
2018-04-20T05:49:34 < jadew> 4k what?
2018-04-20T05:49:50 < dongs> eur , ithink
2018-04-20T05:49:53 < dongs> wahtever the fuck it was
2018-04-20T05:50:01 < jadew> oh, I thought it was only 1k
2018-04-20T05:50:07 < dongs> the platinum shit was more
2018-04-20T05:50:08 < jadew> so the one I linked is cheaper
2018-04-20T05:50:50 < jadew> that one has already shipped
2018-04-20T05:52:05 < jadew> probably too late to jump ship
2018-04-20T05:56:16 < englishman> I have had a lot of questions regarding why I have been developing the new fps4000 model when I have yet to deliver all fps1000 models. From the outset this project has been one of ongoing development. With hindsight the original kickstarter prototype was clearly not ready for market. From that point I have been trying to get it to market in a form that fulfilled its original promises.
2018-04-20T05:57:01 < englishman> typical dickstarter response at the 5 year mark
2018-04-20T05:57:03 < Ultrasauce> yacht confirmed
2018-04-20T05:57:06 < dongs> lol
2018-04-20T05:57:18 < englishman> Oct 1 2015
2018-04-20T05:57:18 < englishman> fps1000 Reaches Production Status!
2018-04-20T05:57:30 < englishman> Finally the testing is over. Production and deliveries can commence.
2018-04-20T05:57:37 < dongs> haha
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2018-04-20T06:06:27 < jadew> I see another change is that they gave up on OLED displays
2018-04-20T06:06:40 < jadew> most phones seem to use IPS displays, which are shit
2018-04-20T06:07:52 < jadew> probably a price driven decision
2018-04-20T06:08:16 < jadew> my shitty phone has an OLED display and it's just amazing
2018-04-20T06:12:18 < englishman> also samsung is the only mfg
2018-04-20T06:13:26 < jadew> didn't know that
2018-04-20T06:13:54 < jadew> I don't know wth is happening with my kb, but sometimes it refuses or it delays keystrokes
2018-04-20T06:14:19 < jadew> sometimes I also get a beep, like some buffer is full
2018-04-20T06:14:34 < jadew> hope it's not a keylogger
2018-04-20T06:15:08 < jadew> with so many processes in the task list I can't even tell anymore
2018-04-20T06:40:40 < R0b0t1> You can get phones with AMOLED
2018-04-20T06:40:44 < R0b0t1> They tend to be kind of pricey
2018-04-20T06:40:50 < R0b0t1> Anything around $100 seems to have IPS
2018-04-20T06:40:55 < R0b0t1> Up to maybe $300 or so
2018-04-20T06:41:18 < R0b0t1> jadew: Moto E4 is a good buy
2018-04-20T06:41:25 < R0b0t1> But it's IPS
2018-04-20T06:41:57 < R0b0t1> Also it's from Motorola, and they do some weird things
2018-04-20T06:42:28 < R0b0t1> Just remember, kids, it's a violation of United States federal law to terminate a warranty because the consumer tried to fix the device or used 3rd party components.
2018-04-20T06:42:56 < jadew> really?
2018-04-20T06:43:09 < R0b0t1> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson%E2%80%93Moss_Warranty_Act
2018-04-20T06:43:17 < R0b0t1> I just stumbled across this one day and nearly spit out my drink
2018-04-20T06:43:46 < R0b0t1> And more recently it was in the news: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/blogs/business-blog/2018/04/ftc-staff-sends-warranty-warnings
2018-04-20T06:44:40 < R0b0t1> jadew: If you want a fairly open phone the Nexus 6p can be had used for a reasonable price, has a 2k AMOLED screen
2018-04-20T06:44:52 < R0b0t1> I really wanted to get one when it came out
2018-04-20T06:45:28 < R0b0t1> But then it was over $600
2018-04-20T06:45:31 < R0b0t1> now it's about half price
2018-04-20T06:45:58 < R0b0t1> For open source work the Nexus 5 and 5X are a little more popular
2018-04-20T06:46:04 < jadew> I wouldn't get a used phone - even if it's in perfect condition, you don't know what happened to it
2018-04-20T06:46:12 < jadew> and you can always find a new one for the same price
2018-04-20T06:46:20 < jadew> (just different)
2018-04-20T06:46:30 < R0b0t1> Well there is that
2018-04-20T06:46:42 < R0b0t1> I did buy some phones recently, most of them used. I would never use them day to day.
2018-04-20T06:46:42 < jadew> also, considering my main use for a phone is to call people and browse imgur, my needs are limited
2018-04-20T06:46:48 < jadew> oh... I just realized
2018-04-20T06:46:52 < jadew> I already have a new phone lol
2018-04-20T06:46:59 < R0b0t1> Should seriously consider the Moto E4
2018-04-20T06:47:05 < R0b0t1> Well in that case
2018-04-20T06:47:31 < jadew> my wife got it for me with the 1 year extension for her mobile plan
2018-04-20T06:48:32 < jadew> for some reason I just don't want to switch
2018-04-20T06:48:58 < R0b0t1> This is an important juncture in your life jadew
2018-04-20T06:49:06 < R0b0t1> I suggest you use the phone your wife got for you
2018-04-20T06:49:15 < R0b0t1> Every time you use it, you will be reminded that there is a beautiful woman who loves you.
2018-04-20T06:49:17 < jadew> yeah, that's probably wise
2018-04-20T06:49:23 < R0b0t1> This is an opportunity you can not pass up!
2018-04-20T06:49:46 < jadew> not to mention that if I don't, she'll constantly nag me about it
2018-04-20T06:50:52 < R0b0t1> No sir, that is not nagging. They are simply friendly reminders that you should be doing what is really best for you.
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2018-04-20T10:08:19 < stvn> yep yep yep yep yep
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2018-04-20T10:12:48 < Steffanx> Nein
2018-04-20T10:13:15 < stvn> Hi sir
2018-04-20T10:13:40 < stvn> Hi sir
2018-04-20T10:14:43 < Steffanx> Deja vu
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2018-04-20T10:25:43 < stvn> Hi sir
2018-04-20T10:25:55 < stvn> Hedde drugs steffan?
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2018-04-20T10:50:28 < rajkosto> dongs, how does your chyna shop price flat flex
2018-04-20T10:50:42 < rajkosto> is it just 200$ setup fee or something
2018-04-20T10:52:54 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KKdJQcjA/IMG_1324.JPG
2018-04-20T11:34:08 < rajkosto> also, why https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/data-sheet/LPC4350_30_20_10.pdf has not dethroned stm32
2018-04-20T11:35:57 < stvn> Maybe this nxp guy is a fucking paedophile or something?
2018-04-20T11:36:02 < zyp> because LPC parts are annoying to work woth
2018-04-20T11:37:06 < rajkosto> it has SGPIO tho
2018-04-20T11:37:08 < rajkosto> very nice interface
2018-04-20T11:37:19 < zyp> yes
2018-04-20T11:37:46 < zyp> SGPIO/SCT looks really interesting, but all the other shit doesn't make up for it
2018-04-20T11:38:49 < zyp> I even made a board with LPC4357 once
2018-04-20T11:39:00 < stvn> Welcome back zyp
2018-04-20T11:39:08 < zyp> soldered it up, confirmed it was working
2018-04-20T11:39:22 < zyp> then I realized how painful it was to work with, so it got put in a box and forgotten about
2018-04-20T11:39:52 < rajkosto> whats painful
2018-04-20T11:47:13 < c10ud> so, how can I draw stuff with 8 bit colorspace on my PC? I cannot find a way to do it, ugh..at least with GIMP
2018-04-20T11:47:41 < Haohmaru> 8bit colorspace?
2018-04-20T11:48:01 < c10ud> yes, RGB332
2018-04-20T11:48:41 < Haohmaru> that's kinda weird, not sure if you can do it in any of the existing programs
2018-04-20T11:48:59 < Haohmaru> you probably can use an indexed color mode
2018-04-20T11:49:15 < c10ud> I'm using some tricks to speed up an ui on a ra8875 based display, and it's a PITA drawing stuff that looks good on the actual screen
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2018-04-20T11:49:25 < c10ud> I'm looking for some way to speed up development
2018-04-20T11:49:59 < Haohmaru> make a pallet that maps to the exact colors you can get with the RGB332, and then use it in GIMP/whatever?
2018-04-20T11:50:00 < kakimir> is it a problem if I have pads without thermal relief in copper that has no mask
2018-04-20T11:50:06 < kakimir> for paste
2018-04-20T11:50:16 < Haohmaru> * pallette (or however it's spelled)
2018-04-20T11:50:23 < kakimir> should I apply paste to whole exposed area
2018-04-20T11:50:32 < kakimir> to ensure proper joint in pad
2018-04-20T11:50:45 < c10ud> Haohmaru, that's actually a good idea
2018-04-20T11:51:10 < Haohmaru> of course, i always have great ideas ;P~
2018-04-20T11:51:45 < c10ud> thing is, how do I extract the palette from the display? :p
2018-04-20T11:52:38 < Haohmaru> wut u mean
2018-04-20T11:53:02 < qyx> you just make it up
2018-04-20T11:53:09 < Haohmaru> if it's "RGB332" then i suppose that just means 3 bits for R, 3 for G, 2 for B
2018-04-20T11:53:17 < qyx> if it is rgb332, then just generate all colors
2018-04-20T11:53:23 < Haohmaru> yeah
2018-04-20T11:53:48 < Haohmaru> if you want it to be accurate, then it's a bit more tricky
2018-04-20T11:53:51 < c10ud> but the display is rgb16 so I don't know how they're mapped exactly
2018-04-20T11:54:00 < qyx> you know
2018-04-20T11:54:03 < qyx> wut
2018-04-20T11:54:21 < Haohmaru> what do you mean?
2018-04-20T11:54:22 < c10ud> ah you mean it's just a bitwise op
2018-04-20T11:54:23 < qyx> just mix the bits the righ way
2018-04-20T11:54:31 < c10ud> it's not that they used a palettized format
2018-04-20T11:54:39 < c10ud> mmm
2018-04-20T11:54:41 < qyx> rgb565 or whatever it is is a superset of rgb332
2018-04-20T11:55:02 < stvn> Super indeed
2018-04-20T11:55:03 < qyx> get 3bits of red, pad with 2 zeroes
2018-04-20T11:55:13 < Haohmaru> think of the RGB as values between 0 and 1.0, then just scale yer integers..
2018-04-20T11:55:14 < qyx> 3 bits of green, pad with 3 zeroes
2018-04-20T11:55:28 < qyx> is it zeros or zeroes?
2018-04-20T11:55:34 < englishman> 8bit colour is far too many colours
2018-04-20T11:55:40 < c10ud> yeah, was wondering if they were using a palette to offer a nicer color selection but I think you're right
2018-04-20T11:56:07 < qyx> 16bit palette would be overkill
2018-04-20T11:56:07 < Haohmaru> it wouldn't have been called "RGB332" then
2018-04-20T11:56:45 < Haohmaru> i suggested you use a pallet as a workaround in the image editor
2018-04-20T11:57:16 < Haohmaru> f*ck that word, color table ;P~
2018-04-20T11:57:47 < Haohmaru> luckily you can fit your RGB332 into a "standard" "8bit indexed color" color map
2018-04-20T11:57:49 < c10ud> let's see if it can be done with gimp
2018-04-20T11:57:55 < Haohmaru> it can
2018-04-20T11:58:25 < Haohmaru> you'll just need to generate the color map
2018-04-20T11:58:43 < Haohmaru> then, you might have to process the exported result
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2018-04-20T11:59:37 < Haohmaru> uh oh
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2018-04-20T11:59:39 < c10ud> I'm already doing all the necessary conversions in my apps, in fact I just give it a whatever colorspace png/jpg/bmp and it's automatically converted to rgb332 when uploaded to the device
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2018-04-20T11:59:58 < c10ud> thing is, I'm just missing the "how will it look" step in gimp
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2018-04-20T12:00:08 < Haohmaru> then what's the problem?
2018-04-20T12:00:13 -!- mode/##stm32 [-q *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.153.60.83] by englishman
2018-04-20T12:00:13 < c10ud> or whatever other program I may use, of course gimp is better
2018-04-20T12:00:28 -!- mode/##stm32 [-q *!*@host86-153-60-83.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] by englishman
2018-04-20T12:00:34 < c10ud> the problem is, I put some grey on the picture, it becomes sucky light blue
2018-04-20T12:00:35 -!- mode/##stm32 [-q *!*@tae100-pool11.nottingham.ac.uk] by englishman
2018-04-20T12:00:35 < Haohmaru> ah, well, to see how it'll look like, you still need to make that color map, and convert to 8bit indexed color
2018-04-20T12:00:46 < Haohmaru> then you can use dithering
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2018-04-20T12:01:04 < Haohmaru> and the result then can be very nice
2018-04-20T12:01:22 < c10ud> so if I can restrict the palette from the beginning...then I fix stuff up in gimp and it's smooth sailing
2018-04-20T12:01:58 < Haohmaru> so, make a colormap and either draw directly in 8bit indexed mode, or compose your high-color images and convert to 8bit indexed (with dither) at the very end
2018-04-20T12:02:23 < c10ud> yes, the former is what I want to do, the latter..already doing it but sucky results
2018-04-20T12:02:31 < c10ud> :d
2018-04-20T12:02:34 < Haohmaru> GIMP has some of the popular nice dither algos built-in
2018-04-20T12:02:47 < Haohmaru> (altho it does gamma a bit wrong)
2018-04-20T12:03:28 < c10ud> well I'll play with it a bit
2018-04-20T12:03:41 < c10ud> I just need an idea, not pixel-perfect results
2018-04-20T12:41:30  * invzim palms - why didn't anyone tell me about the lock primitives stuff in altium :)
2018-04-20T12:42:01 < invzim> now I can fix silk-screen issues with library parts
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2018-04-20T13:21:06 < kakimir> recommend a small reflow oven
2018-04-20T13:35:23 < invzim> I think they all suck
2018-04-20T13:35:49 < Haohmaru> throw the pcbs into mordor
2018-04-20T13:36:08 < invzim> I got the qs-5100, but haven't really played with it - it's not accurate like some reviews says out of the box
2018-04-20T13:36:40 < invzim> going to 'blind tune' it with graphing temp probe to see if I can get it right
2018-04-20T13:37:13 < invzim> If I were to buy again, I would go for this http://www.whizoo.com/
2018-04-20T13:55:44 < kakimir> I need only the basic model?
2018-04-20T13:55:52 < kakimir> for qs5100
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2018-04-20T15:23:36 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY9JsBy835g tfw
2018-04-20T15:30:31 < Laurenceb__> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/food/wp/2018/04/18/fake-coupons-are-popping-up-promising-free-starbucks-coffee-for-african-americans/?utm_term=.2afacf596758
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2018-04-20T16:16:47 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/97da629b09/106299.png
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2018-04-20T16:33:20 < Rob235> how do you make a stupid delay function
2018-04-20T16:41:09 < Ultrasauce> a for loop?
2018-04-20T16:41:21 < Rob235> but for timing microseconds
2018-04-20T16:41:28 < Rob235> when systick is set to ms interrupts
2018-04-20T16:41:48 < Ultrasauce> use another timer then
2018-04-20T16:42:28 < Rob235> yea thats what I started last night, didnt work on my first try so I'm just bitching now, I'm gonna work on it in a bit. whats the preferred method?
2018-04-20T16:42:35 < Ultrasauce> it won't be particularly accurate unless you take a bunch of other shit into account
2018-04-20T16:42:38 < Rob235> timing mode and just compare the count register?
2018-04-20T16:42:56 < Rob235> nah I dont need it that accurate
2018-04-20T16:43:15 < Ultrasauce> if you want to halfass it just do a busyloop and empirically determine a scaling factor
2018-04-20T16:43:28 < Rob235> I'm just having issues with things running too fast and not getting into the right state before moving on
2018-04-20T16:43:46 < Ultrasauce> things?
2018-04-20T16:43:50 < Rob235> thats not a terrible idea but I might as well get the timer working since I did most of the work already
2018-04-20T16:44:04 < Rob235> clocking a shift register mostly
2018-04-20T16:44:22 < Rob235> and waiting before assuming the outputs are changed
2018-04-20T16:44:38 < Haohmaru> you could use SPI for that
2018-04-20T16:44:45 < Haohmaru> or just busywait
2018-04-20T16:44:56 < Rob235> and the step signal for a stepper motor
2018-04-20T16:45:05 < Rob235> I was thinking of using timers and dma for that eventually
2018-04-20T16:45:44 < Rob235> what do you do in the loop for busywait? an asm nop or nothing
2018-04-20T16:46:13 < Haohmaru> you don't need a nop even
2018-04-20T16:46:20 < Rob235> hmm ok then
2018-04-20T16:46:23 < Haohmaru> while (some_condition); is gonna do it
2018-04-20T16:47:22 < Haohmaru> ehm, that's if you'll use some timer without interrupts
2018-04-20T16:47:42 < Rob235> what do you mean
2018-04-20T16:48:08 < Haohmaru> you're bitbanging the signals for a shift register but yer signals are too fast, right?
2018-04-20T16:48:14 < Rob235> yes
2018-04-20T16:49:22 < Haohmaru> well, in my case i currently use built-in delay_us() functions (on the avr), no idea if your compiler has something equivalent
2018-04-20T16:49:51 < Rob235> the built in delay uses ms not us
2018-04-20T16:50:09 < Haohmaru> right.. well, phukk
2018-04-20T16:50:17 < Rob235> pain in the ass
2018-04-20T16:50:26 < Haohmaru> is there a built-in delay_ticks() maybe?
2018-04-20T16:50:37 < Rob235> the systick timer is set to ms
2018-04-20T16:50:48 < Rob235> I was gonna change it but figured that would screw other things up
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2018-04-20T16:51:43 < Rob235> I could akways set it to us and just run the two functions in the current iterrupt handler every 1000 interrupts but I feel like checking/incrementing that number is a bit much to do every microsecond?
2018-04-20T16:51:52 < Haohmaru> the simplest thing you can do is.. to make an empty loop, and adjust its number of cycles by trial and error
2018-04-20T16:52:17 < Rob235> yea, I might just do that for us and the built in for ms
2018-04-20T16:52:25 < Haohmaru> { uint32_t c = 12345; while (c--); }
2018-04-20T16:52:56 < Haohmaru> or use a timer with busy polling..
2018-04-20T16:53:24 < Rob235> thats what I started working on, its mosty set up, just didnt work on my first check and went to bed right after
2018-04-20T16:53:26 < Haohmaru> which is equally dumb, and you gotta actually set-up the timer before that
2018-04-20T16:53:35 < Rob235> maybe i'll give it another few tries before switching to busy loop
2018-04-20T16:53:49 < Rob235> you think busy loop is better htan timer?
2018-04-20T16:54:47 < Haohmaru> it'd be more precise and possibly you can tell the code "busy wait for 13uS" and it can be recalculated elegantly
2018-04-20T16:55:16 < Rob235> right, i'll play around with it when I get home, gotta run, thanks for the help
2018-04-20T16:55:27 < Haohmaru> while the empty loop will be a bit harder to adjust
2018-04-20T16:55:48 < Rob235> once i 'calibrate' it though it will be fine
2018-04-20T16:55:51 < Rob235> see ya
2018-04-20T16:55:52 < Haohmaru> but both of these methods are dumb cuz they cause you to be stuck in main() sorta
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2018-04-20T18:12:43 < aandrew> hm, when using FIFOs in periph-to-mem DMA (ADC) does it make any sense to use anything BUT single transfers on the periph side for the burst config?
2018-04-20T18:13:00 < aandrew> I mean the ADC is generating a DRQ for every conversion, so there is no concept of burst there
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2018-04-20T18:13:13 < aandrew> on the mem side I can burst for sure
2018-04-20T18:13:44 < aandrew> similar question when using DMA FIFO to do SPI tx. burst from mem to DMA FIFO, but then only use single transfers to go to SPI periph
2018-04-20T18:14:11 < aandrew> I don't think the SPI TX reg has any FIFO of its own so just use single transfers to the SPI periph
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2018-04-20T18:45:25 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/97da629b09/106331.png
2018-04-20T18:45:40 < Laurenceb__> epic skillz, data extraction with >0dB nonlinearity
2018-04-20T18:46:20 < Haohmaru> graphics with aliasing
2018-04-20T18:46:24 < Haohmaru> boo
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2018-04-20T21:20:56 < kakimir> I need another movie
2018-04-20T21:22:54 < Ultrasauce> did you watch a scanner darkly
2018-04-20T21:23:26 < kakimir> hmm
2018-04-20T21:23:29 < kakimir> nah
2018-04-20T21:23:32 < kakimir> tried
2018-04-20T21:23:36 < kakimir> and nah
2018-04-20T21:27:20 < PaulFertser> kakimir: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_Than_Paradise
2018-04-20T21:27:43 < Laurenceb__> 85% of babby datra processed...
2018-04-20T21:28:32 < Ultrasauce> the fifth element
2018-04-20T21:28:34 < Laurenceb__> come on...
2018-04-20T21:28:51 < Laurenceb__> even muh xeon is at 100%
2018-04-20T21:29:59 < kakimir> PaulFertser, I don't have mental state for confusion movie
2018-04-20T21:30:03 < kakimir> right now
2018-04-20T21:31:05 < PaulFertser> kakimir: "Terminator 2" then, plenty of action, hi-tech, motorbikes, no confusion
2018-04-20T21:32:13 < Ultrasauce> did I recommend true grit? watch that
2018-04-20T21:40:11 < kakimir> if I want western I watch any clint eastwood I have yet to see
2018-04-20T21:41:13 < Ultrasauce> so are you just gonna ignore every suggestion
2018-04-20T21:41:31 < Ultrasauce> do you go to the kitchen and stare into the fridge for minutes at a time?
2018-04-20T21:41:39 < invzim> anyone got a type/brand of solder-paste to recommend?  Leaded home reflow..
2018-04-20T21:43:09 < sync> Henkel gc10
2018-04-20T21:43:13 < sync> Not leaded tho
2018-04-20T21:43:40 < Steffanx> Ultrasauce, as usual.
2018-04-20T21:44:10 < Steffanx> stop that kakimir. Listen to dad.
2018-04-20T21:45:49 < invzim> I foresee some rework so would like to keep it leaded
2018-04-20T21:47:34 < invzim> is the gc10 some kind of super paste?
2018-04-20T21:47:59 < Steffanx> Its "The Solder Paste Game Changer"
2018-04-20T21:48:18 < invzim> will it make soldering great again?
2018-04-20T21:50:36 < sync> It does
2018-04-20T22:03:22 < invzim> 760 pads, 154 parts, 40 unique - I may spring for the 10USD stencil
2018-04-20T22:30:22 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/97da629b09/106366.png
2018-04-20T22:30:25 < Laurenceb__> epin win
2018-04-20T22:30:32 < Laurenceb__> 9 gorillian babbies shakken
2018-04-20T22:31:12 < Laurenceb__> ftw memory foam is same as regular foam
2018-04-20T22:33:34 < Laurenceb__> bbl
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2018-04-20T22:46:51 < englishman> invzim: it is a game changer yes
2018-04-20T22:47:01 < englishman> no need to keep it in the fridge
2018-04-20T22:48:42 < Steffanx> Why that really is an advantage for the common solderer?
2018-04-20T22:48:44 < kakimir> Laurenceb__, wtf.. you seriously measure babby shakkin
2018-04-20T22:48:51 < Steffanx> You have a fridge right, englishman?
2018-04-20T22:49:01 < Steffanx> and you dont need to have a huuge stock
2018-04-20T22:50:07 < kakimir> I use sn62pb36ag2
2018-04-20T22:51:12 < Steffanx> That isnt paste i assume.
2018-04-20T22:51:40 < Steffanx> So tell us, mr kakimir, what movie did you watch?
2018-04-20T22:51:54 < kakimir> nothing yet
2018-04-20T22:52:07 < Steffanx> and what will you watch
2018-04-20T22:52:16 < kakimir> nothing passes my tight.. requirements
2018-04-20T22:52:56 < Steffanx> Go for typical Liam Neeson movie: The Commuter. Doesnt really need your attention.
2018-04-20T22:53:09 < Steffanx> or else: Jumanji.
2018-04-20T22:53:38 < Steffanx> with the one and only The Rock.
2018-04-20T22:54:53 < kakimir> I would have watched downsizing yesterday but.. it's not available in youtubes
2018-04-20T22:55:17 < Steffanx> that's why the pros torrent it
2018-04-20T22:55:58 < Steffanx> i mean: buy it or watch in the cinema
2018-04-20T22:57:31 < zyp> sup?
2018-04-20T22:57:36 < zyp> any inventing happening tonight?
2018-04-20T22:57:53 < englishman> Steffanx, dont need to wait for it to warm up
2018-04-20T22:57:55 < Steffanx> No innovations.
2018-04-20T22:57:58 < englishman> also, you can reuse the paste
2018-04-20T22:58:01 < englishman> you can't reuse all pastes
2018-04-20T22:58:05 < englishman> it's also cheap
2018-04-20T22:58:08 < englishman> available at digikey
2018-04-20T22:58:10 < englishman> always in stock
2018-04-20T22:58:12 < englishman> reliable
2018-04-20T22:58:14 < englishman> smells nice
2018-04-20T22:58:18 < englishman> available in T4
2018-04-20T22:58:31 < Steffanx> At least those are the real advantages :)
2018-04-20T22:58:38 < Steffanx> paste innovation zyp.
2018-04-20T22:58:47 < Rob235> gettin ready to do my first drawing!
2018-04-20T22:59:15 < zyp> Steffanx, I see
2018-04-20T22:59:21 < Steffanx> Better get that live stream up and running Rob235
2018-04-20T22:59:34 < Steffanx> Or even better let us draw the first dick pic.
2018-04-20T22:59:39 < Rob235> psh, I'm not failing live, I"ll record it and heavily edit it in post
2018-04-20T23:00:50 < Rob235> I should hook it up online and let people control the drawing, dick pics all over my floor
2018-04-20T23:01:28 < Steffanx> What about upping the size and let us do your wall paper
2018-04-20T23:01:34 < Steffanx> I bet you can make money with that
2018-04-20T23:01:40 < Rob235> sounds good to me
2018-04-20T23:01:42 < Steffanx> let people draw something for 2 minutes for a dollar.
2018-04-20T23:02:08 < Steffanx> Somehow i really thing there is a market for that.
2018-04-20T23:02:11 < Steffanx> *think
2018-04-20T23:02:30 < englishman> zyp, my kombucha fermentation chamber is now stm8 controlled
2018-04-20T23:02:32 < Steffanx> All you need is a post on 4chan, or maybe reddit.
2018-04-20T23:02:47 < zyp> englishman, you lack 24 stm
2018-04-20T23:03:03 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw_F9aR7SL4 
2018-04-20T23:03:03 < Steffanx> No bad words about stm8!
2018-04-20T23:03:04 < englishman> minimalist swedish design
2018-04-20T23:03:12 < Rob235> I should let people draw on a huge sheet of paper, sell real estate on the paper and then once I have like 10 wall sized murals set up an art gallery and sell those for millions
2018-04-20T23:03:26 < zyp> jpa-, experimented a bit with the rpc stuff in python, the generated code doesn't seem all that useful actually
2018-04-20T23:03:43 < englishman> buying some PIC18F8520 and 1206 size 0.1uf caps
2018-04-20T23:04:53 < englishman> avicii died
2018-04-20T23:05:09 < Steffanx> You change from 4550 to 8520?
2018-04-20T23:05:10 < zyp> yeah, heard on the radio while I were driving
2018-04-20T23:06:30 < englishman> different project
2018-04-20T23:06:50 < Steffanx> Are you saddened by that englishman? Because avicii or because he was only ~3 months older than i am?
2018-04-20T23:07:10 < englishman> millennial detected
2018-04-20T23:07:14 < zyp> Steffanx, don't die :(
2018-04-20T23:07:37 < Steffanx> I have no plans for that yet, zyp.
2018-04-20T23:07:49 < zyp> good
2018-04-20T23:09:53 < englishman> One of the biggest names in dance music of the last 10 years, he had a catalogue full of pumping
2018-04-20T23:10:34 < kakimir> being millenial sucks
2018-04-20T23:11:05 < Steffanx> I was sad when Captain Jack died, englishman. 
2018-04-20T23:11:52 < kakimir> I didn't even know
2018-04-20T23:12:20 < Steffanx> Dont know what kakimir?
2018-04-20T23:12:25 < englishman> the pirate?
2018-04-20T23:13:01 < Steffanx> No, the 90s eurodancer.
2018-04-20T23:13:12 < kakimir> eurodance artists lead vocalist
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2018-04-21T00:21:57 < antto> pffff
2018-04-21T00:22:05  * antto spits his coffee
2018-04-21T00:24:55  * antto <---
2018-04-21T00:26:29 < antto> le wut
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2018-04-21T00:37:30 < englishman> raspberripi kits being sold with ADC0832
2018-04-21T00:42:51 < Steffanx> Read like 2 sentences, looked at the pic and was like.. wtf dongs?!
2018-04-21T00:42:54 < Steffanx> Lol superbia 
2018-04-21T00:43:48 < Steffanx> Use of words. It all fits
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2018-04-21T01:16:21 < Laurenceb___> babby status: shaken
2018-04-21T01:18:27 < Laurenceb___> < kakimir> Laurenceb__, wtf.. you seriously measure babby shakkin
2018-04-21T01:18:30 < Laurenceb___> correct
2018-04-21T01:18:42 < Laurenceb___> even worse: I have literally been shaking them
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2018-04-21T02:04:54 < Laurenceb___> data is averaged from lots of babies strapped to the shaker
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2018-04-21T02:34:47 < jadew> car manufacturers are fucking stupid
2018-04-21T02:35:21 < jadew> they have a bunch of options that they could offer for free, only available on some models
2018-04-21T02:35:42 < jadew> instead of offering everything that's for free by default and charging on the shit that actually makes a difference
2018-04-21T02:36:37 < jadew> for example, hyundai has navigation updates only on 4 of the 8 models
2018-04-21T02:36:39 < jadew> like... wtf?
2018-04-21T02:36:55 < jadew> why didn't they use android to begin with?
2018-04-21T02:37:05 < jadew> then I wouldn't give a shit about their software options
2018-04-21T02:40:09 < Laurenceb___> its specifically a marketing strategy
2018-04-21T02:40:15 < Laurenceb___> market differentiation
2018-04-21T02:40:53 < Laurenceb___> well now I know all their seat foams are basically the same
2018-04-21T02:40:56 < jadew> yeah, it makes the difference between buying hyundai or something else
2018-04-21T02:42:45 < jadew> they have lots of actual important things to charge for
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2018-04-21T02:43:18 < Laurenceb___> now I have to find somewhere to publish this shit
2018-04-21T02:43:31 < Laurenceb___> tfw still fewer publications than emdrive guy
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2018-04-21T02:56:07 < Rob235> woops! I definitely need to redesign the pen holder... https://youtu.be/VIowsVaqhJA
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2018-04-21T04:06:31 < Laurenceb___> go on online dating they said, you might get laid they said
2018-04-21T04:06:38 < Laurenceb___> not even once
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2018-04-21T04:24:15 < Rob235> I dont think they knew they were talking to you
2018-04-21T04:24:33 < Rob235> if they did they would have said to give up without trying
2018-04-21T04:25:54 < branjb> this is for Laurenceb___ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
2018-04-21T04:26:36 < Laurenceb___> heh
2018-04-21T04:27:01 < Laurenceb___> https://imgoat.com/uploads/97da629b09/106395.png
2018-04-21T04:27:09 < Laurenceb___> they have female elliot rogers
2018-04-21T04:27:21 < branjb> what is an elliot roger
2018-04-21T04:27:30 < Laurenceb___> what is an google
2018-04-21T04:27:39 < branjb> some type of jew?
2018-04-21T04:28:30 < Rob235> you might have better luck with girls if you learn how to talk to people in a conversation instead of blabbing and telling them to just look it up
2018-04-21T04:28:31 < Rob235> :)
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2018-04-21T08:56:16 < fest> oh, dating advice in ##stm32
2018-04-21T08:57:19 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, that was my feeling also 8 years ago :P
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2018-04-21T10:58:21 < Steffanx> Rob235: why that pen can move?
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2018-04-21T11:09:45 < zyp> jadew, only option I didn't have to pay extra for when I bought my car was color choice (and some of them cost extra too)
2018-04-21T11:12:13 < zyp> also, fuck navigation software
2018-04-21T11:12:30 < zyp> get something that supports android auto, plug in your phone and enjoy google maps
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2018-04-21T12:31:51 < stvn> hmmmm
2018-04-21T12:32:38 < Steffanx> 🍕?
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2018-04-21T12:43:51 < stvn> why not
2018-04-21T12:44:16 < stvn> what's new mr steffan?
2018-04-21T12:44:25 < Steffanx> nothing is ever new.
2018-04-21T12:51:10 < Steffanx> And there mr stvn?
2018-04-21T12:51:35 < stvn> nothing
2018-04-21T12:53:11 < Steffanx> Must have been a boring saturday for you then
2018-04-21T12:56:20 < stvn> the duck pond
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2018-04-21T13:04:07 < stvn> that was fun
2018-04-21T13:06:09 < Steffanx> You fed them with your pizza left overs?
2018-04-21T13:06:27 < stvn> n
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2018-04-21T13:14:51 < Steffanx> You shuold stvn. So you can go for duck with xmas..
2018-04-21T13:15:30 < stvn> i gave them some breadstuffs
2018-04-21T13:19:35 < Steffanx> You're a good guy, stvn. Although people might disagree. Some people say you shouldn't feed ducks.
2018-04-21T13:19:56 < Steffanx> Did you bring tea?
2018-04-21T13:20:05 < stvn> just beer
2018-04-21T13:20:18 < stvn> jk
2018-04-21T13:24:29 < Steffanx> Quack.
2018-04-21T13:24:43 < stvn> thats what they said
2018-04-21T13:25:21 < stvn> i didn't see the 2 big white ducks
2018-04-21T13:25:27 < stvn> they must have been hungover
2018-04-21T13:26:58 < stvn> the battlecruisers
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2018-04-21T15:00:14 < Laurenceb___> supp
2018-04-21T15:04:35 < Laurenceb___> the KKK
2018-04-21T15:06:01 < Laurenceb___> I heard the patriarchy is pretty good
2018-04-21T15:06:48 < Laurenceb___> sheeet I think uk internet blocking might actually be happening
2018-04-21T15:06:55 < Laurenceb___> suddenly weird errors everywhere
2018-04-21T15:08:05 < Laurenceb___> that was the plan...
2018-04-21T15:09:24 < Laurenceb___> my vpn is working fine
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2018-04-21T16:09:23 < Laurenceb___> http://i.reddituploads.com/7dbb0584b6084d36a919c32b44ff68b2?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=c8c032eb2a2e456bc06005fc51bb3d19
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2018-04-21T16:15:52 < dongs> wtf dogns, indeed
2018-04-21T16:16:50 < psprint> is 2.4 GHz Radio == WiFi ?
2018-04-21T16:17:06 < tpw_rules> no?
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2018-04-21T16:19:35 < psprint> so it's like Zigbee, a commercial or in general alternative wireless communication standard?
2018-04-21T16:19:52 < tpw_rules> it's all of those things?
2018-04-21T16:22:57 < dongs> 2.4ghz is whatever
2018-04-21T16:24:18 < psprint> so a radio
2018-04-21T16:25:08 < psprint> micro usb plug, not detailed in specs, but in online shops divided to type A and type B.. which is the normal one mounted on STM boards?
2018-04-21T16:28:39 < Thorn> if you're implementing a usb device (as opposed to host) use B
2018-04-21T16:33:00 < psprint> To use the usb port on STM an adapter is needed? Shouldn't this be cheaper or am I doing something wrong: http://uk.farnell.com/roline/11-02-8311/usb-cable-a-rcpt-micro-b-plug/dp/2807834
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2018-04-21T16:43:51 < Laurenceb___> tiem to convert all muh graphics to eps for max quality
2018-04-21T16:43:59 < Laurenceb___> inb4 journal still screws them up
2018-04-21T17:08:04 < Steffanx> journals can handle eps?
2018-04-21T17:11:01 < Steffanx> So what is the conclusion of your research Laurenceb___? Buy an air mattress and shake at like 7-9Hz for maximum affect?
2018-04-21T17:11:37 < englishman> you have to attack the babby with higher frequency and more intense vibrations so the lower frequency and less intense ones have negligible effect
2018-04-21T17:16:32 < Laurenceb___> Steffanx: lul
2018-04-21T17:16:40 < Laurenceb___> the ideas is less vibration
2018-04-21T17:16:50 < Laurenceb___> I think modified air mattress is the way to go
2018-04-21T17:16:55 < Laurenceb___> make it more mossy
2018-04-21T17:18:09 < Steffanx> this is for in an ambulance i assume?
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2018-04-21T20:29:01 < zyp> hmm, this parallel SPI shit of the L6474H drivers is behaving weird
2018-04-21T20:29:41 < zyp> when I enable x, y and z drivers one by one, sending NOP to the others, they all turn on fine
2018-04-21T20:30:03 < zyp> when I try enabling them all at once, x and z turns on, but not y
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2018-04-21T20:42:15 < zyp> no convenient testpoints for SCK either, wrt. hooking up a LA
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2018-04-21T21:03:30 < zyp> haha, fuck off, I messed up the host end shit, so it passed the spi command through utf-8 encoding
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2018-04-21T21:04:03 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gBtnUppGp6WyVL9zjIdLPWxleegLX-Zo/view?usp=sharing
2018-04-21T21:04:16 < kakimir> any irish stm32ers?
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2018-04-21T21:29:48 < branjb> my heritage is irish
2018-04-21T21:29:50 < branjb> never been there
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2018-04-21T21:37:29 < tct> how's weekending?
2018-04-21T21:38:21 < Steffanx> What is that?
2018-04-21T21:38:22 < branjb> i have a leak in the pipes under the foundation at the house I bought 4 months ago, can turn the water on for about 20 minutes before it starts overflowing.  just had my daily shower and shit
2018-04-21T21:38:24 < branjb> so pretty good
2018-04-21T21:39:50 < Steffanx> And you cant get under the house to fix it?
2018-04-21T21:40:15 < branjb> it's complicated, but basically insurance is paying a plumber to redo the entire plumping in the house starting next week
2018-04-21T21:40:54 < branjb> in the meantime i wrapped some epoxy and fiberglass sheet around the leak, so it can be turned on for 20 min at a time before it starts leaking too much
2018-04-21T21:40:54 < Steffanx> Ah. Always nice.
2018-04-21T21:42:36 < tct> Steffanx, you were right about the butter thing. It indeed was the wrong butter for the use we had for it.
2018-04-21T21:43:26 < Steffanx> Haha. I knew it. Was it for cooking?
2018-04-21T21:43:37 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/PZfTVfC that's my kitchen right now
2018-04-21T21:43:38 < Steffanx> Or baking
2018-04-21T21:45:28 < jpa-> how can there be "wrong butter"? was it some fake butter
2018-04-21T21:45:42 < Steffanx> Oops.. this also means you have to redo the floor or..?
2018-04-21T21:46:11 < Steffanx> Jpa-, it shouldve been bread butter
2018-04-21T21:46:29 < jpa-> what's the difference?
2018-04-21T21:46:59 < psprint> Does anyone know if programing nxp boards is as easy as of stm, I mean advanced peripherials, like USB and Ethernet, do they provide ready to use drivers and middlewares?
2018-04-21T21:47:20 < jpa-> does st? :D
2018-04-21T21:47:31 < jpa-> AFAIK every microcontroller manufacturer's software sucks
2018-04-21T21:47:35 < Steffanx> Taste and how easy it is to put on your slice of bread, jpa-
2018-04-21T21:47:36 < branjb> lol
2018-04-21T21:47:52 < Steffanx> Consistency i guess
2018-04-21T21:48:06 < branjb> psprint can it use FreeRTOS and shit like that?  lots of middlewears hide that from you
2018-04-21T21:48:14 < tpw_rules> psprint: i think it's a little easier
2018-04-21T21:48:16 < tpw_rules> iirc
2018-04-21T21:48:31 < jpa-> hmm ok, around here we only have butter (which is always the same, perhaps different amount of salt) and then there is margarine that varies more
2018-04-21T21:48:55 < Steffanx> Hello welcome, superbia 
2018-04-21T21:49:03 < psprint> branjb: yeah, freertos + Ethernet driver (although that's not openly needed on STM) + LwIP, this is one stack that's needed
2018-04-21T21:49:15 < Steffanx> Yes and i cried afterwards superbia 
2018-04-21T21:49:29 < Steffanx> Not?
2018-04-21T21:49:52 < psprint> jpa-: I easily coded network project, with freertos and lwip, it was quite nice, have threads for LCD display, for network interaction
2018-04-21T21:52:32 < Steffanx> it mainly was that someone didnt know what to buy at all, because he never does that jpa- :P
2018-04-21T21:52:56 < jpa-> .. what kind of person never buys butter :D
2018-04-21T21:53:01 < Steffanx> idk.
2018-04-21T21:53:29 < jpa-> sound silly, i wonder what kind of software licenses such a person would use
2018-04-21T21:56:01 < branjb> piratebay licenses
2018-04-21T21:56:11 < Steffanx> open sores.
2018-04-21T21:56:20 < Steffanx> not as in free.
2018-04-21T21:56:45 < Steffanx> imho lpc/nxp is not easier psprint
2018-04-21T21:57:03 < Steffanx> but it might also be something about what you're used to
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2018-04-21T22:03:02 < Steffanx> i was never on the dark side superbia
2018-04-21T22:03:18 < Steffanx> Only someone who i will not mention is there.
2018-04-21T22:06:25 < Steffanx> <superbia> i ment more like kayaking, skiing, table-tennis <= ?!
2018-04-21T22:10:49 < Steffanx> chase girls.
2018-04-21T22:10:57 < Steffanx> drink beer
2018-04-21T22:11:03 < Steffanx> go to university
2018-04-21T22:11:10 < Steffanx> > do homework
2018-04-21T22:11:52 < Steffanx> and the others have no time for homework, because they are married and have childeren.
2018-04-21T22:11:55 < Steffanx> *hobbies
2018-04-21T22:17:18 < Steffanx> idk. there is so much one can learn without a uni
2018-04-21T22:18:09 < Steffanx> in the uk you only learn to shake babies and visit 4chan
2018-04-21T22:18:24 < psprint> Steffanx: I'm many years experience linux driver developer, + little windows, + amiga assembler and VLIV arm assembler at intel, in general low level hard task with gcc toolchain, which is easy when experienced
2018-04-21T22:18:29 < Steffanx> Go learn yourself do some wood working.
2018-04-21T22:19:47 < psprint> Steffanx: mentioned this because if NXP is not like STM, which means there's no CubeMX, then they probably require some manual software packages joining with Makefiles and stuff, i.e. gcc toolchain, so it should be easy, if they didn't broke something
2018-04-21T22:21:22 < Steffanx> they have example projects, not sure if there is such thing as cube
2018-04-21T22:21:34 < Steffanx> there is some online tool which was from freescale.
2018-04-21T22:21:39 < aandrew> I hate nxp's ecosystem
2018-04-21T22:21:45 < aandrew> teh cube is awesome
2018-04-21T22:21:55 < zyp> wat
2018-04-21T22:22:24 < Steffanx> The cube is nice for nothing but hte pin planner
2018-04-21T22:22:38 < aandrew> branjb: hate to break it to you but you got a big motherfuckign hole in your kitchen
2018-04-21T22:23:01 < aandrew> Steffanx: nah the HAL works
2018-04-21T22:23:13 < aandrew> it's a little rough but I've not found any vendor code from any vendor lib awesome
2018-04-21T22:24:17 < kakimir> we need a movie for the night
2018-04-21T22:24:25 < Steffanx> no we dont.
2018-04-21T22:24:30 < kakimir> I think I passed out yesterday
2018-04-21T22:27:43 < Steffanx> how is that not an outside activity?
2018-04-21T22:27:54 < Steffanx> But.. yeah if you want to. go :P
2018-04-21T22:30:40 < aandrew> kakimir: four lions
2018-04-21T22:32:44 < Steffanx> kakimir, listen to aandrew.
2018-04-21T22:32:53 < Steffanx> Dont ignore our suggestions
2018-04-21T22:33:14 < kakimir> on what platform I can watch it?
2018-04-21T22:33:36 < aandrew> kakimir: go download it
2018-04-21T22:33:42 < aandrew> google search for it
2018-04-21T22:33:44 < kakimir> piratebay is so ccancerous nowdays
2018-04-21T22:33:53 < aandrew> you need me to hold your pecker when you want to pee too?
2018-04-21T22:35:09 < kakimir> please!
2018-04-21T22:35:50 < aandrew> I knew you were gonna say that
2018-04-21T22:37:21 < Steffanx> In this country they just put a large fence around the bay.
2018-04-21T22:37:36 < Steffanx> private trackers <3
2018-04-21T22:41:31 < Steffanx> das war einmal.
2018-04-21T22:43:37 < kakimir> aandrew, I will watch that movie
2018-04-21T22:46:20 < kakimir> thanks for recommendation
2018-04-21T22:47:58 < aandrew> it's funny
2018-04-21T22:48:00 < aandrew> imdb it
2018-04-21T22:50:14 < Steffanx> to be honest, im no longer sure if you are just trolling or not. superbia
2018-04-21T22:51:41 < Steffanx> yes, how is that relevant?
2018-04-21T22:54:53 < aandrew> hey someone aandrew: me a message (testing something)
2018-04-21T22:55:24 < Steffanx> like this mr aandrew?
2018-04-21T22:55:40 < aandrew> no like normal 
2018-04-21T22:55:48 < Steffanx> aandrew: this normal?
2018-04-21T22:56:00 < kakimir> aandrew, trailer is enought
2018-04-21T22:56:37 < kakimir> cranky brittish comedy - what is not to love
2018-04-21T22:56:39 < aandrew> hm, mutter push isn't working
2018-04-21T22:57:25 < Steffanx> awh
2018-04-21T23:10:12 < branjb> jesus of superbia
2018-04-21T23:11:59 < tct> so altium... I messed around in the stack manager and now I have a weird thick green line on my PCB border: https://www.screencast.com/t/T4BqBYzB
2018-04-21T23:12:04 < tct> wtf is that? how to get rid of it?
2018-04-21T23:15:04 < tct> don't be silly
2018-04-21T23:17:12 < branjb> did you try closing and reopening altium
2018-04-21T23:17:50 < tct> zyp, any idea?
2018-04-21T23:17:57 < tct> or mr. dongs 
2018-04-21T23:18:00 < tct> it's also around holes
2018-04-21T23:18:17 < tct> like some gonorrhea shit
2018-04-21T23:22:39 < zyp> tct, looks like one of the mechanical layers?
2018-04-21T23:23:23 < tct> but that doesn't really explain this
2018-04-21T23:25:04 < zyp> maybe you changed the display settings for board outline or something
2018-04-21T23:25:08 < zyp> idk, never seen that
2018-04-21T23:25:13 < Steffanx> Do you happen to have gone from 2 layer to 4 layer?
2018-04-21T23:26:05 < tct> Steffanx, exactly
2018-04-21T23:26:28 < Steffanx> idk why, but it shows those borders for the internal planes.
2018-04-21T23:26:54 < tct> Steffanx, you had that before?
2018-04-21T23:27:14 < Steffanx> I never really noticed them, until you you mentioned it :P
2018-04-21T23:27:32 < Steffanx> *it
2018-04-21T23:27:39 < tct> how can you not notice this STD-like highlighting
2018-04-21T23:31:26 < Steffanx> Its the "pull back" of the internal layers. perhaps you can hide that, but .. do you want that?
2018-04-21T23:36:58 < tct> yes
2018-04-21T23:37:26 < Steffanx> tct: I dont think you can actually hide them. Except for changing the pullback to 0, but is that what you want?
2018-04-21T23:37:58 < tct> zyp, how did you do it in the last board you did? You went from 4L to 2L manually too, no?
2018-04-21T23:38:33 < zyp> what?
2018-04-21T23:40:23 < Steffanx> You can also hide the internal layers, then the borders are gone :P
2018-04-21T23:40:46 < tct> steffan q__q
2018-04-21T23:42:41 < Steffanx> Better not tell people you actually use irc to get help. (Backstab)
2018-04-21T23:48:42 < tct> better buy some butter
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2018-04-21T23:50:16 < Steffanx> So what was it actually for, tct?
2018-04-21T23:51:56 < tct> I'm unsure. at least not to put on bread
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2018-04-22T00:43:52 < Thorn> can you use silicone heating pads (as used in 3d printers) for pcb preheating?
2018-04-22T01:06:43 < Laurenceb___> muh 3d printer
2018-04-22T01:06:50 < Laurenceb___> muh soy resin
2018-04-22T01:08:47 < Steffanx> Why did you suddenly started to talk this craplish Laurenceb__ ?
2018-04-22T01:09:15 < Steffanx> "muh" and whatever words you use lately.
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2018-04-22T01:16:06 < aandrew> Thorn: don't PCB preheaters get up considerably higher than silpads?
2018-04-22T01:16:17 < Laurenceb___> >suddenly
2018-04-22T01:17:56 < Thorn> dunno, Chinese sellers don't specify max temperature but my googling seems to indicate those pads can be used at up to 200°C
2018-04-22T01:18:27 < Laurenceb___> muh heritage
2018-04-22T01:19:00 < aandrew> speaking of soy
2018-04-22T01:19:15 < aandrew> apparently in canada all Starbucks is out of soy milk due to some kind of shortage
2018-04-22T01:19:34 < Laurenceb___> memetic
2018-04-22T01:19:38 < Laurenceb___> https://pics.me.me/muh-heritage-guinnes-from-the-page-difficulty-ii-~drunk-collins-1183158.png
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2018-04-22T01:26:10 < aandrew> Laurenceb___: LOL
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2018-04-22T02:17:33 < invzim> maehn, designators messed up
2018-04-22T02:18:31 < invzim> goddamn re-annotation bullcrap
2018-04-22T02:54:22 < invzim> no proper backup, I'm fffed
2018-04-22T03:07:41 < Laurenceb___> I'm 24,an English rose and i'm just looking to explore and find myself not looking for anything serious i am curvy so if you don't like that fine leave it to a REAL MAN if you can't handle me at my worst you don't deserve me at my best my interests include clubbing,stormzy and hairdressing xx
2018-04-22T03:28:58 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jmX-TUQkx4
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2018-04-22T03:38:28 < invzim> phewwww
2018-04-22T03:38:36 < invzim> unscrewed
2018-04-22T03:40:14 < invzim> not trying to do a re-annotation without complete backup of everything, including the damn dattabase or whatever that messed up again
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2018-04-22T04:03:21 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8Fo2slT2WA
2018-04-22T04:40:10 < R0b0t1> Is there an mbedtls channel?
2018-04-22T04:40:17 < R0b0t1> gcc -I. -Imbedtls/include/ -Lmbedtls/library/ -lmbedtls -lmbedcrypto platform.o secboot.c -o secboot
2018-04-22T04:40:25 < R0b0t1> Gives me undefined references about some ecdh functions
2018-04-22T04:40:43 < R0b0t1> I checked the mbedtls/test Makefile and I'm using the right flags
2018-04-22T04:40:49 < R0b0t1> Also coincides with past experience
2018-04-22T04:41:24 < R0b0t1> GCC seems to be finding the archives
2018-04-22T04:41:33 < R0b0t1> which are in that folder as checked with find mbedtls/ -name '*.a'
2018-04-22T04:43:57 < R0b0t1> Running mbedtls/program/pkey/ecdh_curve25519 works
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2018-04-22T06:00:41 < stvn> lol Laurenceb
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2018-04-22T10:11:22 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1: -l flags normally come last
2018-04-22T10:11:37 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1: because ld is a one-pass linker and so the order of arguments matters.
2018-04-22T10:11:43 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1: btw, are you a Gentoo user?
2018-04-22T10:13:07 < R0b0t1> I am
2018-04-22T10:13:20 < R0b0t1> I did find the issue, but it is surprising because the system libraries work in the wrong order
2018-04-22T10:13:35 < R0b0t1> Also I think the behavior isn't consistent between pc-linux-gnu and w64-mingw32
2018-04-22T10:14:13 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1: I wonder what would be the best way to provide instructions for building arm-none-eabi toolchain for gentoo users. The defaults crossdev comes with are not suitable and it doesn't seem like its authors would like to change it for the benefit of embedded developrers.
2018-04-22T10:15:05 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1: the linking order is well-defined afair. But you can also use start-group end-group and make it do it in several passes, then the order doesn't matter.
2018-04-22T10:16:06 < R0b0t1> I might move to that
2018-04-22T10:16:14 < R0b0t1> I think in theory the linking order is well defined :)
2018-04-22T10:17:02 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1: would you like to discuss the "proper" instructions for the gentoo embedded arm devs and how to make them visible to the others?
2018-04-22T10:17:15 < R0b0t1> Yes, hold on, but I need to go to sleep
2018-04-22T10:17:21 < R0b0t1> I was pulling things up
2018-04-22T10:17:26 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1: sleep well, please ping me when you're up again.
2018-04-22T10:19:19 < R0b0t1> PaulFertser: I originally tried to modify crossdev but found it opaque and hard to understand. I think part of the problem is the authors tried to genericize all parts of the toolchain generation, so it's hard to figure out which settings ultimately go into the produced configuration (at least for me).
2018-04-22T10:20:00 < R0b0t1> so I started trying to rewrite it, based on https://github.com/FreddieChopin/bleeding-edge-toolchain, and actually referring to the GCC documentation, which no one seems to do
2018-04-22T10:20:12 < R0b0t1> to be fair I asked a couple of questions on the GCC mailing list and nobody knows how the build system works anymore
2018-04-22T10:20:26 < R0b0t1> Maybe in general, but each architecture is highly specific
2018-04-22T10:20:36 < R0b0t1> So I wound up with this structure: https://github.com/FreddieChopin/bleeding-edge-toolchain
2018-04-22T10:20:57 < R0b0t1> Which is very verbose and repeats a lot of commands for each specific package to be built but is a lot cleaner
2018-04-22T10:21:00 < R0b0t1> It is still far from done, sadly
2018-04-22T10:21:13 < R0b0t1> Er
2018-04-22T10:21:28 < R0b0t1> Something wrong with my clipboard
2018-04-22T10:21:51 < R0b0t1> https://github.com/R030t1/toolgen
2018-04-22T10:22:23 < R0b0t1> I passed arm-none-eabi into TARGET and I think it worked
2018-04-22T10:23:27 < R0b0t1> PaulFertser: As for fixing crossdev, knowing more now, I think that it may be possible to fix it; the main hairy part is the target "tuple" parsing and the logic surrounding it
2018-04-22T10:23:44 < R0b0t1> But I don't *exactly* know what needs fixed or what is broken
2018-04-22T10:24:00 < R0b0t1> That is half the reason I made toolgen. Just to compare the commands being run to crossdev.
2018-04-22T10:25:38 < R0b0t1> So hopefully you have some comment on it
2018-04-22T10:25:54 < R0b0t1> But yes I really do need to sleep now
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2018-04-22T11:15:03 < tct> dongs ping
2018-04-22T11:22:36 < stvn> jimmy savile
2018-04-22T11:57:26 < tct> how's being retarded going, stvn?
2018-04-22T12:03:50 < antto> o_O
2018-04-22T12:08:35 < PaulFertser> tct++
2018-04-22T12:14:04 < antto> u just created a temporary tct
2018-04-22T12:18:49 < tct> hi paul, how's life?
2018-04-22T12:19:54 < tct> thank you chrome for using 17 GB of memory q__q
2018-04-22T12:20:07 < tpw_rules> just keeping it war,
2018-04-22T12:20:10 < tpw_rules> warm
2018-04-22T12:20:10 < tct> a few years from now you need this to run chrome: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/dgx-2/
2018-04-22T12:20:20 < tct> tpw_rules, did you ever get your meter?
2018-04-22T12:20:32 < tpw_rules> i begged dave until he sent me a preprod one
2018-04-22T12:20:40 < tct> lol
2018-04-22T12:20:46 < tct> that's how I got my girlfriend
2018-04-22T12:20:56 < tpw_rules> the real one is kind of a moot point as i'm currently on another continent
2018-04-22T12:21:26 < tpw_rules> i need to start on the better firmware cause every time i pick it up i'm disgusted
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2018-04-22T13:00:36 < invzim> pros: do you know of assembly houses that can store excess components for you for future production?
2018-04-22T13:00:56 < tpw_rules> macrofab will
2018-04-22T13:02:51 < invzim> the cloud-service thingie?
2018-04-22T13:03:18 < tpw_rules> yeah
2018-04-22T13:03:45 < tpw_rules> i've used them before. they're dope, except never on time for circumstances outside of their control
2018-04-22T13:04:17 < tpw_rules> and also their house parts
2018-04-22T13:04:20 < tpw_rules> are dope
2018-04-22T13:06:32 < tct> best assembly house: http://www.hemargroup.ch/en/
2018-04-22T13:07:38 < tpw_rules> > "best"
2018-04-22T13:07:39 < tpw_rules> > call us
2018-04-22T13:09:05 < invzim> tpw_rules: digi-key/mouser + house parts only?
2018-04-22T13:09:32 < tpw_rules> invzim: you can also buy parts and have them shipped there, where they will get stored
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2018-04-22T13:23:05 < invzim> tpw_rules: signed up, having a look
2018-04-22T13:23:54 < Steffanx> PaulFertser--;
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2018-04-22T13:29:45 < jpa-> what fab doesn't store parts?
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2018-04-22T13:44:58 < Steffanx> Do you really want to have that question answered jpa-?
2018-04-22T13:45:25 < jpa-> it was rhetorical!
2018-04-22T13:45:47 < Steffanx> lies.
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2018-04-22T13:59:59 < invzim> mm, macrofab didn't particulary like my odb++ export
2018-04-22T14:00:10 < invzim> pcb is fine, but bom is a mess
2018-04-22T14:01:00 < zyp> hmm
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2018-04-22T14:01:39 < zyp> jpa-, was that you the other day talking about possible ground rise if I didn't have a separate ground for usb?
2018-04-22T14:02:59 < zyp> yeah
2018-04-22T14:02:59 < zyp> 21:13:23 < jpa-> i'd be worrying about potential difference in ground wire, if the hotend power runs through the same cable as usb
2018-04-22T14:03:02 < zyp> 21:13:44 < Ultrasauce> yeah it definitely needs a separate ground and power for the usb device
2018-04-22T14:03:05 < zyp> 21:13:47 < jpa-> atleast my cables and connectors are crappy enough that 1V drop comes about easily
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2018-04-22T14:03:58 < zyp> I thought a bit more about that now
2018-04-22T14:06:24 < jpa-> my TS-100 ground has 0..2V PWM visible in it because of the crappy cable i have there :P
2018-04-22T14:06:36 < zyp> even if I run separate signal grounds and power grounds, the design would have to let them be at different potentials for that to be a point
2018-04-22T14:07:15 < jpa-> yeah, though that should be easy to arrange, by only connecting the FET source to the PGND
2018-04-22T14:07:38 < zyp> if you only consider the heater power, yes
2018-04-22T14:09:15 < jpa-> yeah; it all depends of course on how much voltage loss is expected.. digital signals to stepper drivers etc. should survive 0.5V quite fine, but then again USB also probably survives that
2018-04-22T14:09:25 < zyp> yeah
2018-04-22T14:09:55 < zyp> there's plenty of other usb shit that draws a lot of power through thin cables, so usb should already handle that
2018-04-22T14:10:05 < zyp> I'd draw more power, but also use thicker conductors
2018-04-22T14:10:44 < zyp> so I'm leaning towards it being better to design to keep the ground rise minimal, than to design to allow it
2018-04-22T14:13:48 < jpa-> looks like USB single-ended voltage threshold is >1V so yeah, there is quite a bit of margin
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2018-04-22T16:14:03 < Rob235> jadew you got me sucked into a youtube vortex of simulations
2018-04-22T16:14:18 < Steffanx> ut?
2018-04-22T16:14:20 < Steffanx> w
2018-04-22T16:14:30 < Rob235> jadew:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8Fo2slT2WA
2018-04-22T16:14:33 < Rob235> he posted that last night
2018-04-22T16:17:41 < Steffanx> aha
2018-04-22T16:21:37 < Rob235> Steffanx  did you see my first drawing?
2018-04-22T16:21:51 < Steffanx> the one with the pen moving?
2018-04-22T16:21:54 < Steffanx> in the holder
2018-04-22T16:21:57 < Rob235> yup
2018-04-22T16:22:03 < Rob235> the wavy lines
2018-04-22T16:23:00 < Rob235> I gotta figure out how I want to do curves
2018-04-22T16:27:35 < Steffanx> better fix the holder.
2018-04-22T16:28:44 < Rob235> yea definitely, I will before my next test.  
2018-04-22T16:28:59 < Rob235> I'll have to weigh it down as well to fix the overextension problem
2018-04-22T16:36:29 < Steffanx> Didnt you plan on going for a jointed arm thingy?
2018-04-22T16:36:32 < Steffanx> dual arm even
2018-04-22T16:38:05 < Rob235> in the beginning I planned on jointed arms but  decided quickly against that.  the dual arms is still a plan but I dont have a second set of linear rails or enough PLA to print more.
2018-04-22T16:38:33 < Rob235> once I print the main case and throw all the components in there then it will add a significant amount of weight to hold it down
2018-04-22T16:39:00 < Rob235> the second arm would definitely stabilize it but hopefully the main case is enough
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2018-04-22T16:45:07 < jadew> Rob235, those simulations are mind blowing
2018-04-22T16:45:40 < jadew> augumented reality will benefit a lot from this sort of physics engines
2018-04-22T16:45:45 < Rob235> yea they are
2018-04-22T16:46:06 < jadew> VR and games too
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2018-04-22T16:48:22 < Rob235> youtube must go away now. I gotta work on PlotBot. I want to get a decent drawing today
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2018-04-22T18:27:19 < srk> Rob235: wall plotter?
2018-04-22T18:27:36 < Rob235> no, tabletop
2018-04-22T18:28:11 < srk> picz? :)
2018-04-22T18:28:35 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/VIowsVaqhJA
2018-04-22T18:28:48 < Rob235> two biggest problems are outlined in the description
2018-04-22T18:29:48 < srk> sloow :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT4E5nb3KtY
2018-04-22T18:30:23 < Rob235> is that you?
2018-04-22T18:30:27 < srk> nah
2018-04-22T18:30:33 < Rob235> haha ahh, damn thats fast
2018-04-22T18:30:52 < srk> my first servo machine is gonna a be sandbox
2018-04-22T18:31:15 < srk> box with sand with "pen" to draw with and vibration motor to erase :D
2018-04-22T18:31:39 < Rob235> ahh cool
2018-04-22T18:32:10 < Rob235> I gotta finish writing my software so I can get decent drawings
2018-04-22T18:32:32 < srk> Rob235: this is mine http://48.io/~rmarko/random/wall_plotter.jpg :D
2018-04-22T18:32:34 < Rob235> line patterns get old quick
2018-04-22T18:32:56 < Rob235> ahh nice
2018-04-22T18:34:34 < PaulFertser> srk: that clock looks awfully similar to the old soviet-era devices.
2018-04-22T18:34:43 < srk> :))
2018-04-22T18:35:23 < srk> oldschool nixie clock, needs RTC & NTP :D
2018-04-22T18:36:06 < PaulFertser> Unless your 50Hz mains is as stable as it was in the USSR ;)
2018-04-22T18:37:02 < srk> lol, yeah
2018-04-22T18:37:39 < Rob235> finally implemented external interrupt from rpi, now I dont have to pull power and risk frying everything when something goes wrong and the steppers try to plow through the plastic at the rail edges
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2018-04-22T19:01:47 < tct> dongs, ping
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2018-04-22T19:05:12 < kakimir> it's sleep time in .jp
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2018-04-22T19:09:10 < tct> but it's the middle of the day q__q
2018-04-22T19:10:15 < kakimir> in jp? no way
2018-04-22T19:10:51 < kakimir> 1am or so
2018-04-22T19:15:47 < tct> how the f do I make my vias become smaller
2018-04-22T19:21:18 < kakimir> oh
2018-04-22T19:21:44 < kakimir> looking for altidum helpdesk
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2018-04-22T19:40:46 < tct> y
2018-04-22T19:40:50 < tct> but Steffanx is not being helpful
2018-04-22T19:42:02 < Steffanx> i blame you.
2018-04-22T19:42:09 < Steffanx> pebkac
2018-04-22T19:42:12 < Steffanx> backstab.
2018-04-22T19:44:23 < tct> I change your e-card contact name to "Mr. Backstabber"
2018-04-22T19:45:11 < Steffanx> Says mr J.
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2018-04-22T19:56:47 < zyp> tct, make sure design rules allows you to make them smaller
2018-04-22T19:56:58 < zyp> then just hit tab before placing them
2018-04-22T19:57:05 < zyp> and pick the size you want
2018-04-22T19:57:17 < Steffanx> he cant do the tab thing.
2018-04-22T19:57:24 < tct> zyp, the design rules are weird. some scripted stuff for finished hole size
2018-04-22T19:57:31 < zyp> if you wanna change already placed vias, mark them, use inspector and batch change them to less
2018-04-22T19:57:48 < zyp> if the rules are retarded, delete them and make sane ones
2018-04-22T19:57:51 < tct> nothing placed yet. I just want to change the default via size from 0.85mm to 0.6mm
2018-04-22T19:58:20 < zyp> what does the rules allow?
2018-04-22T19:59:30 < tct> zyp, well rules are just rules - where do I set the actual via size? isn't there a default setting somewhere?
2018-04-22T20:01:34 < zyp> why would there be two places to set it? that would just be redundant
2018-04-22T20:01:42 < zyp> shit like that is decided by the rules
2018-04-22T20:02:09 < zyp> also, what does Steffanx mean by «can't do the tab thing»?
2018-04-22T20:02:19 < Steffanx> Dont the rules just define the min/max size? 
2018-04-22T20:02:28 < zyp> yeah?
2018-04-22T20:02:46 < Steffanx> In altidongs i can change the (default) via size by pressign tab while routing. tct doesnt seem to be able to do that.
2018-04-22T20:02:51 < zyp> and the tab thing selects current, and its default setting is whatever you used last
2018-04-22T20:02:58 < Steffanx> tab opens the Interactive routing settings
2018-04-22T20:03:03 < zyp> yeah?
2018-04-22T20:03:08 < zyp> that's what it's supposed to
2018-04-22T20:03:13 < Steffanx> mr tct fails to do that.
2018-04-22T20:03:20 < Steffanx> or altidongs 18 doesnt do that
2018-04-22T20:03:28 < zyp> idk, I only have AD15
2018-04-22T20:03:36 < tct> why would you not upgrade
2018-04-22T20:03:41 < zyp> maybe tct fucked up keybindings
2018-04-22T20:03:46 < tct> tell your boss people to stop being retarded
2018-04-22T20:03:50 < Steffanx> because altidongs aint free.
2018-04-22T20:03:55 < tct> when I hit tab while interactively routing it pauses.
2018-04-22T20:04:07 < Steffanx> better update to 17
2018-04-22T20:04:08 < zyp> tct, because the company my license is made out to doesn't exist anymore
2018-04-22T20:04:36 < zyp> (I'm supposed to receive the shareholder settlement in a couple of days)
2018-04-22T20:05:04 < Steffanx>  as in 2nok?
2018-04-22T20:06:16 < zyp> I'm getting 2700 NOK or so, I didn't own much of it
2018-04-22T20:07:35 < zyp> still nets me a taxable profit of like 1200 NOK, I think I paid 1500 for the shares originally
2018-04-22T20:09:19 < zyp> should have put that money into bitcoin instead, then it would have been 135000 NOK today
2018-04-22T20:09:37 < Steffanx> fuck buttcoin.
2018-04-22T20:09:49 < zyp> why?
2018-04-22T20:10:30 < Steffanx> nevermind. I shouldn't have said that. Not going to discuss it again 
2018-04-22T20:10:39 < zyp> haha
2018-04-22T20:11:41  * jpa- jabs tct in the back
2018-04-22T20:11:49 < tct> <3
2018-04-22T20:11:58 < tct> you're always there when I need a jab the most
2018-04-22T20:12:25 < Steffanx> he wasnt there afaik.
2018-04-22T20:12:36 < Steffanx> or was he in the closet?
2018-04-22T20:13:38 < jpa-> *under the bed
2018-04-22T20:13:54 < tct> he likes to sneak out when I sleep
2018-04-22T20:14:00 < tct> nothing like a good cuddle
2018-04-22T20:14:26 < jpa-> jabcuddle
2018-04-22T20:15:15 < Steffanx> aha
2018-04-22T20:15:24 < Steffanx> explains the noises
2018-04-22T20:17:38 < Steffanx> Fixed it tct?
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2018-04-22T20:52:34 < kakimir> hmm
2018-04-22T20:52:48 < kakimir> ate and felt asleep
2018-04-22T20:53:39 < invzim> yay, finally mamaged to make a query for clearance on internal signal layer
2018-04-22T20:53:41 < invzim> InPolygon and OnMid 
2018-04-22T20:54:21 < Steffanx>  \o/
2018-04-22T20:54:25 < invzim> guess the pcb houses modify this by themselves if you don't (clerance from pour to non-connecting hole)
2018-04-22T20:54:43 < Steffanx> Streaker you do streaking on request?
2018-04-22T20:55:27 < Streaker> Not anymore.
2018-04-22T20:55:54 < Steffanx> ok, too bad.
2018-04-22T20:56:50 < Streaker> You got a birthday party coming up?
2018-04-22T20:57:38 < Steffanx> nah, i wanted you to visit switzerland
2018-04-22T20:58:22 < jpa-> invzim: i'd say very few pcb houses will go and modify your gerbers
2018-04-22T21:03:21 < invzim> jpa-: I think they actually do, add teardrops and stuff
2018-04-22T21:03:44 < invzim> not that I know this, but from some youtube videos that's the impression I get
2018-04-22T21:04:58 < jpa-> never happened to me (with experience of 2 differents fabs in finland, and from china in seeed, itead and jlcpcb)
2018-04-22T21:05:14 < invzim> checked with xray?
2018-04-22T21:05:36 < jpa-> you mean that they'd do it only on internal layers?
2018-04-22T21:06:09 < invzim> just discored the remove unused pad shapes in altium, and had a violation on the GND plane so I did a little digging
2018-04-22T21:06:13 < invzim> discovered
2018-04-22T21:06:20 < jpa-> though i guess some fabs do provide post-processing services, it seems it would make sense to do it on all layers if at all
2018-04-22T21:07:16 < invzim> got a feeling there is something about the internals, say you have a via puching through and you have 6mil clearance on the internal layers - will make pretty hard to manufacture
2018-04-22T21:07:39 < jpa-> why would it be harder than on the outer layers?
2018-04-22T21:07:57 < invzim> you have the annular rings on the outer
2018-04-22T21:08:14 < zyp> you don't have them on the inner?
2018-04-22T21:08:31 < invzim> altium doesn't do it on the power plane
2018-04-22T21:08:37 < zyp> oh, ok
2018-04-22T21:08:56 < zyp> I never use plane layers, I prefer just putting polygons in normal layers
2018-04-22T21:09:05 < invzim> so I wanted to duplicate that behaviour on my internal power "plane" (signal layer)
2018-04-22T21:09:15 < zyp> I've tried plane layers, but they are just inconvenient to work with
2018-04-22T21:10:22 < jpa-> 6 mil seems quite a lot of clearance; main source of error is probably the drill hole placement, and if they can hit a 6 mil annular ring without breaking it, they can hit 6 mil clearance also
2018-04-22T21:10:49 < invzim> don't they drill before plating and making the annular?
2018-04-22T21:11:20 < jpa-> sure, but if the hole is in the middle of the annular ring, it will be broken when it is etched in
2018-04-22T21:12:43 < invzim> I wish the pcb manufacturers could just plain say how they work and how they want things
2018-04-22T21:13:17 < invzim> with reference to specific rules in different cad tools, it's not THAT many of them
2018-04-22T21:14:03 < jpa-> if you use a higher-end, they sure will; but usually it's really not that critical how every small detail goes
2018-04-22T21:14:51 < jpa-> probably if you break some hole-to-fill clearance, either their DRC catches it or if it doesn't, it will end just fine
2018-04-22T21:14:52 < invzim> OCD man
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2018-04-22T21:15:32 < invzim> so you guys don't use the remove unused pad shapes in altium?
2018-04-22T21:15:34 < jpa-> OCD is just an excuse to waste time, or otherwise it is a disability and feeding it more data certainly doesn't make it better
2018-04-22T21:15:59 < invzim> or learn something
2018-04-22T21:16:14 < jpa-> i might if i had a layout dense enough, but otherwise no
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2018-04-22T21:17:10 < invzim> see, I learned something :)
2018-04-22T21:20:16 < zyp> wtf is unused pad shapes?
2018-04-22T21:20:47 < jpa-> pad copies on inner layers that have no connection to that pad
2018-04-22T21:21:01 < zyp> oh
2018-04-22T21:21:02 < zyp> heh
2018-04-22T21:22:50 < invzim> this is how the gnd plane looks by defualt https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ymKGgUKvq_UIfvC3P4N7goRb-HZJpIPI
2018-04-22T21:23:04 < invzim> and this is the power layer, https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WVZhkLxcNL3Ra7DsqXP4mVwBp6GRJqtP
2018-04-22T21:23:24 < invzim> with the annular ring thingies - they will be gone if you use the remove unused etc..
2018-04-22T21:24:14 < zyp> right
2018-04-22T21:24:48 < invzim> now if you remove them, the clearance will of course be a lot less, hence my desire to make a rule to duplicate GND plane stuff until I was told not to bother with it and leave it as is :)
2018-04-22T21:24:52 < zyp> looks like the holes in the planes are the same size, so I don't see how it should have any impact at all on manufacturability
2018-04-22T21:25:23 < zyp> at least according to your pics
2018-04-22T21:26:10 < jpa-> yeah, doesn't really look like it would affect the clearance there
2018-04-22T21:27:49 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WFPc65o4zIVpqugDADIc1U494OYMbivq/view
2018-04-22T21:27:58 < invzim> this is how it looks if you just remove the unused pads
2018-04-22T21:28:05 < zyp> oh, ok
2018-04-22T21:28:10 < zyp> then don't.
2018-04-22T21:28:25 < invzim> OR, make the rule that expands clearance on internal etc - or just leave it as is
2018-04-22T21:28:29 < invzim> which I probably will
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2018-04-22T21:28:35 < zyp> also, get better at placing vias without cutting planes too much :p
2018-04-22T21:28:58 < jpa-> yeah :P
2018-04-22T21:29:20 < zyp> you should stagger the vias more: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/44ZNT.png
2018-04-22T21:29:24 < jpa-> (of course without seeing the other layers, one cannot say whether cutting the planes there even matters)
2018-04-22T21:29:39 < invzim> it's taken into consideration :)
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2018-04-22T21:30:38 < invzim> fpga - loads of stuff to hook up + the poly is really big with good clearance in and out
2018-04-22T21:43:28 < jpa-> hm; is there any nice alternatives to bus pirate out there?
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2018-04-22T21:44:04 < jpa-> i have a FT232H board but the software support is quite crappy and buggy
2018-04-22T21:44:18 < jpa-> and apparently bus pirate is quite buggy also
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2018-04-22T21:51:43 < Steffanx> https://tinyurl.com/y9hmg9qw should be mandatory for every ##stm32-er P
2018-04-22T21:51:44 < Steffanx> :P
2018-04-22T21:52:17 < Steffanx> Didnt this french do work on something jpa-?
2018-04-22T21:52:20 < Steffanx> bvernoux?
2018-04-22T21:56:18 < jpa-> yeah, but doesn't seem anything came of it
2018-04-22T21:58:21 < Steffanx> https://hydrabus.com/ looks real to me and still a bit active.
2018-04-22T21:58:23 < Steffanx> and out of stock
2018-04-22T22:00:56 < jpa-> hm, i wonder if i could just put that on stm32f4 discovery
2018-04-22T22:01:48 < jpa-> though now that i think about it, maybe i could just put micropython on stm32f4 discovery and use that
2018-04-22T22:02:18 < Steffanx> :P
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2018-04-22T22:37:31 < Steffanx> Ah you didnt give up on us yes, R2COM :P
2018-04-22T22:38:54 < stvn> Several people killed after gunman opens fire at Waffle House in Nashville
2018-04-22T22:38:59 < stvn> Lol!
2018-04-22T22:39:26 < Steffanx> I read about it. Funny detail. The guy isnt wear pants
2018-04-22T22:39:41 < stvn> lol
2018-04-22T22:39:50 < stvn> Theepot.
2018-04-22T22:47:48 < Steffanx> Ya
2018-04-22T22:47:53 < Steffanx> *didnt
2018-04-22T22:48:23 < Steffanx> but stvn doesnt wear pants either, .. nothing weird about not wearing pants
2018-04-22T22:49:59 < stvn> Nah I was way more amused by the autistic Australian media and the ar15 ASSAULT RIFLE meme
2018-04-22T22:56:20 < jpa-> hmm, micropython is actually very nice
2018-04-22T23:02:51 < Steffanx> does it actually support all peripherals easily jpa-?
2018-04-22T23:06:40 < stvn> I like the sound of it
2018-04-22T23:08:12 < stvn> Aussie tourists caught in illegal orgy raid in Thai red light district
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2018-04-22T23:44:08 < zyp> jpa-, what are you trying to do?
2018-04-22T23:45:34 < stvn> what no man has dared to do
2018-04-22T23:47:00 < zyp> at the early stage of projects, when I want to poke external devices easily, I tend to just add some simple USB functions to do that
2018-04-22T23:47:25 < zyp> they can generally coexist nicely with the actual functionality as it gets added later
2018-04-22T23:47:38 < zyp> e.g. something like this for spi: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/uGW37
2018-04-22T23:49:06 < stvn> Ty
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2018-04-22T23:49:21 < zyp> on the host side, I wrap it up in something like this: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/fWAgX
2018-04-22T23:49:30 < zyp> which can be called from interactive python
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2018-04-23T00:12:24 < zyp> jpa-, have you done anything like bitfields with protobuf?
2018-04-23T00:12:59 < zyp> e.g. something like enum {FOO = 1, BAR = 2, BAZ = 4}, where multiple bits can be combined
2018-04-23T00:17:42  * karlp is safely home, away from further str00pwoffel temptations
2018-04-23T00:17:51 < zyp> wb
2018-04-23T00:18:18 < stvn> Welcome back
2018-04-23T00:18:26 < stvn> Did you visit steffan?
2018-04-23T00:19:08 < karlp> no he said I wasn't goint to be anywhere near him
2018-04-23T00:19:30 < karlp> but at least I got to have fresh hot baked stroop, none of this mail out garbage he's been pushing :)
2018-04-23T00:20:51 < stvn> Ya I want to try a fresh wafel
2018-04-23T00:21:36 < Steffanx> You have no clue how good this mail out garbage is, karlp 
2018-04-23T00:21:46 < Steffanx> Or do you bought some Kanjers?
2018-04-23T00:21:49 < Steffanx> Buy
2018-04-23T00:38:57 < stvn> I did
2018-04-23T00:39:19 < emeb> Anyone ever used STOPx modes in STM32? I'm trying now with an L432, using the HAL HAL_PWREx_EnterSTOP2Mode() function but it always returns immediately w/o waiting for the proper event.
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2018-04-23T00:41:05 < Steffanx> Got the systick still running emeb?
2018-04-23T00:41:35 < stvn> http://www.atouchofdutch.com.au/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=Stroopwafel
2018-04-23T00:41:46 < emeb> Steffanx: ya
2018-04-23T00:41:50 < stvn> Most of these are no good
2018-04-23T00:42:02 < emeb> Needs suspend / resume on that?
2018-04-23T00:42:31 < emeb> not using WFI - using WFE
2018-04-23T00:42:42 < stvn> I still want Amsterdam experience
2018-04-23T00:45:48 < emeb> Steffanx: thanks - that did it
2018-04-23T00:46:05 < Steffanx> Hah ok :)
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2018-04-23T00:50:04 < emeb> Weird because the example code doesn't stop the systick.
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2018-04-23T00:51:58 < karlp> Steffanx: no, was just stirring :) I've had better store bought ones before than the hot fresh one honestly :)
2018-04-23T00:58:15 < Laurenceb___> https://i.redditmedia.com/cSZBB4SOEb4_nwsUQVaAUXJS8DxRR2DEoyXvHLVAiuw.png?w=551&s=fc9d999b4aac0daadd5a694498510359
2018-04-23T00:59:02 < stvn> Hi dr b
2018-04-23T01:00:47 < Laurenceb___> I'm am a professor now
2018-04-23T01:00:51 < Laurenceb___> prof of patriarchy
2018-04-23T01:02:05 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-23T01:02:07 < Laurenceb___> and the andropause 
2018-04-23T01:02:19 < stvn> Ok
2018-04-23T01:02:38 < karlp> did you guys see this while I was away? http://batteryfreevideo.cs.washington.edu/
2018-04-23T01:02:43 < stvn> Got any good images I can save?
2018-04-23T01:03:44 < stvn> Battery free just plug her in
2018-04-23T01:04:01 < Laurenceb___> I'm confused
2018-04-23T01:04:07 < Laurenceb___> that noise doesnt look real
2018-04-23T01:04:11 < stvn> Me too
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2018-04-23T01:05:45 < branjb> >harvest power from radio signals
2018-04-23T01:05:53 < Laurenceb___> maybe there is some sort of encoding
2018-04-23T01:06:04 < Laurenceb___> but that would up the power consumption
2018-04-23T01:06:22 < stvn> Maybe eevblog it
2018-04-23T01:06:37 < Laurenceb___> ah there is a pdf
2018-04-23T01:06:44 < Laurenceb___> http://batteryfreevideo.cs.washington.edu/files/batteryfreevideo.pdf
2018-04-23T01:06:50 < emeb> Wonder what the EM fieldstrength is that they need to maintain to power that thing
2018-04-23T01:06:59 < Laurenceb___> >To evaluate our design,
2018-04-23T01:06:59 < Laurenceb___> we simulate an ASIC
2018-04-23T01:07:06 < Laurenceb___> > we simulate an ASIC
2018-04-23T01:07:10 < Laurenceb___> > we simulate 
2018-04-23T01:07:17 < Laurenceb___>  > simulate
2018-04-23T01:07:17 < branjb> >simulate
2018-04-23T01:07:20 < Laurenceb___> kek
2018-04-23T01:09:16 < stvn> asic is a term infected with aids due to shitcoin
2018-04-23T01:09:19 < emeb> gah - they have to poll each pixel separately & measure the pulsewidth.
2018-04-23T01:09:27 < emeb> huge bandwidth needed
2018-04-23T01:09:38 < branjb> just let the cloud do it
2018-04-23T01:09:59 < emeb> Not really a "stealth" technology.
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2018-04-23T01:12:47 < karlp> I think the goal is just not having to have the battery mounted on the same device?
2018-04-23T01:12:58 < karlp> target seems to be PAN sort of sized ranges
2018-04-23T01:13:01 < stvn> Sure
2018-04-23T01:14:03 < emeb> I've you've got to be that close might as just run a wire.
2018-04-23T01:14:06 < Laurenceb___> we are now entering the partiachicene
2018-04-23T01:14:07 < branjb> fuzzy search algorithms killed the internet
2018-04-23T01:14:13 < Laurenceb___> ^this
2018-04-23T01:14:33 < emeb> mmm... fuzzy...
2018-04-23T01:14:34 < branjb> i was curious why whenever there is a school shooting in america, they demolish the school
2018-04-23T01:14:43 < branjb> first 10 pages of googling that question is just "ban guns"
2018-04-23T01:15:00 < emeb> because "triggered"
2018-04-23T01:15:27 < branjb> but it seems like only schools.  there was a mall shooting in a town i used to live in and they didn't demolish the mall
2018-04-23T01:15:47 < Laurenceb___> but mcdonald is more important than education
2018-04-23T01:15:51 < emeb> had a school here where some kids brought some mercury to school and were playing with it. Admins freaked out & ended up tearing down the school.
2018-04-23T01:15:55 < branjb> anyway, thanks to fuzzy algorithms school shooting is an unusable search term
2018-04-23T01:16:06 < branjb> wtf?
2018-04-23T01:16:24 < emeb> contamination!
2018-04-23T01:16:29 < emeb> No risk is acceptable!
2018-04-23T01:16:45 < branjb> did they build anything in its place?
2018-04-23T01:16:49 < emeb> Of course.
2018-04-23T01:17:04 < emeb> probably had to haul all the dirt away to a superfund site tho
2018-04-23T01:17:07 < branjb> wonder if it was just a convenient way to take the school's land
2018-04-23T01:19:11 < karlp> emeb: tell that to all the wireless headphone companies?
2018-04-23T01:19:20 < karlp> and wireless mics, and...
2018-04-23T01:19:52 < karlp> they really demolish schools that had shootings?
2018-04-23T01:20:17 < branjb> some
2018-04-23T01:20:49 < branjb> i guess that school in florida is slated for demolition
2018-04-23T01:32:21 < emeb> karlp: :)
2018-04-23T01:32:38 < emeb> I've got BT headphones for the phone in my pocket. :P
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2018-04-23T01:58:34 < steverrrr> speaking of unsable search term, "Error: open failed" worked extremely well
2018-04-23T02:08:39 < steverrrr> anyone ever notice recompiling and installing openocd  broke stm32f4discovery stlink?
2018-04-23T02:13:49 < BrainDamage> wireless microphones have a pourpose, they let the person roam free if the rx is in a fixed location rather than the person itself
2018-04-23T02:24:47 < steverrrr> whaat, it's stlink-v2-1.cfg .  not v1 or v2.  confusing!
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2018-04-23T03:23:13 < Laurenceb___> hmm
2018-04-23T03:23:22 < Laurenceb___> a backscatter mouse would be nice
2018-04-23T03:23:41 < Laurenceb___> would prob have to have a ball
2018-04-23T03:24:00 < Laurenceb___> hitler mouse, has 1 ball
2018-04-23T03:24:27 < BrainDamage> why backscatter
2018-04-23T03:24:48 < BrainDamage> add dynamos along the optical encoders
2018-04-23T03:24:56 < BrainDamage> self powered mice
2018-04-23T03:26:29 < Laurenceb___> yeah
2018-04-23T03:26:34 < Laurenceb___> I hate wireless mouse
2018-04-23T03:26:43 < Laurenceb___> they go flat in no time
2018-04-23T03:26:51 < Laurenceb___> *mice
2018-04-23T03:27:27 < Laurenceb___> Mr Musk is stealing ideaz from #highaltitude
2018-04-23T03:28:53 < Laurenceb___> literally building the maddest thing we could come up with - hot air ballon rocket recovery
2018-04-23T03:29:51 < Laurenceb___> woah https://imgoat.com/uploads/97da629b09/106870.jpg
2018-04-23T03:30:38 < R0b0t1> emeb: What about a bluetooth phone for the headphones in your pocket?
2018-04-23T03:32:21 < Laurenceb___> https://imgoat.com/uploads/97da629b09/106872.jpg
2018-04-23T03:33:44 < emeb> R0b0t1: hrhr
2018-04-23T03:34:38 < emeb> Laurenceb___: lol at reply to Bukowski.
2018-04-23T03:34:44 < emeb> context is everything
2018-04-23T03:35:14 < R0b0t1> BrainDamage: I've wanted a mouse that used a charging pad
2018-04-23T03:35:22 < R0b0t1> Apparently they sell mice for those pen tablets
2018-04-23T03:36:31 < R0b0t1> At least the wacom ones need no batteries
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2018-04-23T03:36:39 < emeb> L432 low power achieved - L432 + 96x64 monochrome LCD display: 850uA running (4MHz clock), 2.4uA in Stop2 mode.
2018-04-23T03:36:56 < emeb> should get a year's operation off a couple AAA batteries easily.
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2018-04-23T03:51:25 < BrainDamage> R0b0t1: i gifted one to a friend more than 10 years ago and worked wonderfully
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2018-04-23T04:41:46 < dongs> tct doesnt seem to be able to do that.
2018-04-23T04:41:53 < dongs> probly cuz his design rules are set for default huge via
2018-04-23T04:42:05 < dongs> fucking china
2018-04-23T05:20:14 < dongs> NCIS Los Angeles
2018-04-23T05:20:17 < dongs> Outside the Lines - After a cryptocurrency farm is robbed of over $10 million in Bitcoin codes, Sam and Hidoko go undercover, with Sam resuming a likely compromised former alias.
2018-04-23T05:20:22 < dongs> buttcoin
2018-04-23T05:20:30 < dongs> BUTTCOIN C0D3Z
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2018-04-23T05:45:35 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-23T06:09:06 < dongs> botwu still fucking spinning same broken record
2018-04-23T06:09:07 < dongs> god dman
2018-04-23T06:10:19 < dongs> https://osmocom.org/projects/osmo-fl2k/wiki/Wiki ahah
2018-04-23T06:13:25 < jadew> dongs, TL;DR?
2018-04-23T06:13:41 < dongs> jadew: use $10 usb3>vga as sdr transmitter
2018-04-23T06:13:53 < jadew> neat
2018-04-23T06:14:06 < dongs> with 150msps sample rate
2018-04-23T06:14:09 < dongs> up to
2018-04-23T06:14:24 < jadew> that's really good
2018-04-23T06:22:05 < stvn> Is using the cube a good idea?
2018-04-23T06:22:56 < dongs> absolutely
2018-04-23T06:22:59 < dongs> cube is amazing
2018-04-23T06:23:12 < stvn> Ok I’ll install it tonight
2018-04-23T06:23:24 < dongs> you should definitely isntall it
2018-04-23T06:23:40 < stvn> I have an stm32 project now
2018-04-23T06:24:22 < aandrew> hm, why the fuck is systick not getting called
2018-04-23T06:35:19 < dongs> botwu's gaytreon is actually permanently gone
2018-04-23T06:35:24 < dongs> patreon.com/sexycyborg/
2018-04-23T06:35:26 < dongs> following the review
2018-04-23T06:35:27 < dongs> nice
2018-04-23T06:37:33 < dongs> <botwu> I used to be pretty optimistic about cryptocurrency as a promising technology. But the absolutely obnoxious fanatical insistence that its viable for everyone, in all circumstances makes me look at it with new skepticism. Oh and I'm blocking anyone who continues to suggest it.
2018-04-23T06:46:00 < jpa-> zyp: nope; most protobuf libraries require that enum values exist in the enum definition
2018-04-23T06:47:32 < jpa-> zyp: the closest one can easily get is having uint32 field and an enum definition, and just casting there
2018-04-23T06:48:25 < jpa-> as of the i2c/spi/etc. hacking, i'm in the stage of just selecting chips etc. early evaluation
2018-04-23T06:54:47 < aandrew> who?
2018-04-23T06:55:39 < jpa-> Steffanx: atleast i2c and usb worked very easily; probably more complex ones like dcmi might need work
2018-04-23T06:56:58 < dongs> aandrew: who what
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2018-04-23T07:02:33 < aandrew> that crypto thing you pasted
2018-04-23T07:03:31 < dongs> oh
2018-04-23T07:03:38 < dongs> that chink ugly with faketits
2018-04-23T07:03:44 < dongs> still raging about gaytreon closing his account
2018-04-23T07:03:56 < dongs> something something vice something feminism something wank wank make:r
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2018-04-23T07:13:47 < aandrew> what hte fuck is the point of ozone having a peripheral map if none of it works
2018-04-23T07:13:58 < aandrew> SCB->VTOR (and all other peripherals) are "----------"
2018-04-23T07:14:09 < dongs> u
2018-04-23T07:14:11 < aandrew> I'll have to just look at the memory directly, what's the point
2018-04-23T07:14:25 < jpa-> pretty likely that it works for other people
2018-04-23T07:14:30 < dongs> did you load t he correct .sct or wahtever the fuck xml for the right chip?
2018-04-23T07:14:42 < dongs> yea im gonna go with your shit failign here
2018-04-23T07:14:46 < dongs> cuz last i checked stuff worked for me
2018-04-23T07:15:23 < aandrew> yeah I did
2018-04-23T07:15:28 < aandrew> oh I'm sure it works
2018-04-23T07:15:37 < aandrew> and if I look at the memory directly it'll be fine
2018-04-23T07:15:44 < aandrew> my guess right now is that VTOR's pointing off somewhere
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2018-04-23T07:16:58 < jpa-> that wouldn't really explain much
2018-04-23T07:17:17 < aandrew> well my systick ISR is not getting hit
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2018-04-23T07:17:30 < aandrew> near as I can tell systick doesn't need an explicit enable
2018-04-23T07:18:01 < jpa-> yeah, but if you bother using ozone, might as well make it work
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2018-04-23T07:20:28 < aandrew> vector table is at 0x0 isn't it?
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2018-04-23T07:21:12 < aandrew> VTOR says 08000000 
2018-04-23T07:21:18 < aandrew> f7 must have a different memory map
2018-04-23T07:21:19 < jpa-> that't the same
2018-04-23T07:21:31 < jpa-> flash is at 08 and it is mapped to 00
2018-04-23T07:21:37 < aandrew> hm
2018-04-23T07:21:50 < aandrew> if I look at 0x0 the vector table is garbage. if I look at 08000000 it looks right
2018-04-23T07:22:01 < aandrew> so that must be telling me that something's not mapped the way I expect it to be
2018-04-23T07:22:11 < aandrew> my code is running, it's just hung waiting for systick
2018-04-23T07:22:22 < jpa-> garbage or the system bootloader vector table?
2018-04-23T07:22:23 < aandrew> endless loop waiting for systick to hit a value I mean
2018-04-23T07:22:29 < aandrew> no it's garbage
2018-04-23T07:22:44 < jpa-> maybe your debugging stuff is just broken :P
2018-04-23T07:23:16 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/a/vJa5SYp
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2018-04-23T07:24:48 < jpa-> well that is indeed pretty garbagey
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2018-04-23T07:35:10 < aandrew> jpa-: yeah you're right, flash is up at 08000000
2018-04-23T07:35:21 < aandrew> so the vector table is correct, the damn interrupt just isn't fired
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2018-04-23T07:47:14 < aandrew>  ok am I fucking blind, why can'tI find the systick register map/bitmap in the stm32f7 RM
2018-04-23T07:51:09 < jpa-> because it is in the cortex-m7 core programming manual
2018-04-23T07:51:20 < aandrew> srs?
2018-04-23T07:51:42 < aandrew> I thought the programming manual was the isa and other cpu-specific features
2018-04-23T07:51:46 < jpa-> yes, being a standard ARM peripheral, not an ST one
2018-04-23T07:52:13 < aandrew> NVIC is also ARM standard but is in RM
2018-04-23T07:53:42 < jpa-> yeah, not all things make sense :P
2018-04-23T07:53:49 < aandrew> :-)
2018-04-23T07:54:18 < jpa-> nvic is also in the programming manual, though
2018-04-23T07:54:42 < jpa-> and the RM version of it lacks the registers
2018-04-23T07:56:47 < aandrew> ok systick is configured correctly which is assumed
2018-04-23T07:57:31 < jpa-> does the interrupt flag get set?
2018-04-23T07:57:41 < aandrew> that's exactly what I'm checking now
2018-04-23T08:00:55 < aandrew> e000e100 is all zeroes, e104 is 20000000
2018-04-23T08:01:48 < aandrew> doesn't that mean vector 61 is the only one enabled?
2018-04-23T08:02:29 < jpa-> yes
2018-04-23T08:02:36 < aandrew> e100 is set/enaable for vectors 0-31 and e104 for 32-63
2018-04-23T08:05:00 < aandrew> however the RM says that systick is not part of nvic
2018-04-23T08:05:05 < aandrew> position 0 is wwdg
2018-04-23T08:05:11 < aandrew> and systick is one earlier
2018-04-23T08:05:36 < aandrew> position 62 is the ethernet wakeup vector
2018-04-23T08:05:44 < jpa-> hmm yeah, it's an exception and just enabling it in systick regs is enough IIRC
2018-04-23T08:05:52 < aandrew> er 61  is ethernet global 
2018-04-23T08:06:46 < aandrew> yeah that is what I thought too
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2018-04-23T08:08:10 < aandrew> systick_csr (0xe000e010) is 0x00010007
2018-04-23T08:08:38 < aandrew> so it's underflowed, run from processor clock, asserts the exception and is enabled
2018-04-23T08:23:41 < aandrew> fuck a duck
2018-04-23T08:41:49 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/fF86OTY.jpg
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2018-04-23T09:32:02 < stvn> Duck?
2018-04-23T09:32:42 < stvn> Hannah is fucking creepy
2018-04-23T09:33:20 < jadew> I'd do her
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2018-04-23T09:34:06 < stvn> Maybe she’d do you
2018-04-23T09:34:15 < stvn> Lol
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2018-04-23T10:02:44 < dongs> zyp, arcin is done and boxed up at my office. will try to send sometime this week
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2018-04-23T10:08:55 < zyp> nice
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2018-04-23T10:32:45 < stvn> Is steffan here
2018-04-23T11:07:29 < tct> hello people
2018-04-23T11:08:11 < tct> altium: I try to make a rectangular notch at the bottom of my PCB. I had no problems doing that at the top by just "modifying board shape" and adding more points. However, if I do that at the bottom side then the board only becomes the notch instead of the notch being removed from the board. any ideas?
2018-04-23T11:09:10 < stvn> Wb tct
2018-04-23T11:09:14 < zyp> tct, wat
2018-04-23T11:10:16 < zyp> tct, screenshot please
2018-04-23T11:10:30 < tct> https://www.screencast.com/t/8xWwF9PD
2018-04-23T11:11:15 < zyp> use edit board shape, not modify board shape?
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2018-04-23T11:11:53 < tct> well 'edit board shape' doesn't allow me to add the additional points to the polygon
2018-04-23T11:12:13 < zyp> sure it does, grabbing a midpoint turns it into a new point
2018-04-23T11:12:15 < stvn> I like how altium looks like maya now
2018-04-23T11:12:35 < zyp> stvn, the dark grey backgrounds looks awful
2018-04-23T11:13:02 < tct> zyp, wut? no? does not compute
2018-04-23T11:13:03 < stvn> Yeah 11kAUD well spent....
2018-04-23T11:13:21 < tct> well don't use AUD. problem solved
2018-04-23T11:13:26 < tct> 10k CHF sounds like a lot less
2018-04-23T11:13:34 < zyp> tct, it doesn't? what does it do then?
2018-04-23T11:13:43 < tct> zyp, it moves that line segment up and down ;-)
2018-04-23T11:13:53 < zyp> uh, ok
2018-04-23T11:14:13 < zyp> maybe they changed it to right click or some shit in newer AD
2018-04-23T11:14:28 < zyp> in AD15, grabbing a midpoint breaks the segment into two
2018-04-23T11:14:37 < tct> doesn't work here. it just moves that segment.
2018-04-23T11:14:48 < tct> 'modify board shape' adds the point as you can see, but then things go wrong
2018-04-23T11:14:56 < zyp> okay
2018-04-23T11:15:02 < tct> but at the top of the board it works
2018-04-23T11:15:04 < zyp> what happens if you start outside the board instead of inside?
2018-04-23T11:15:48 < tct> I can't start outside. the newly added point doesn't go over the edge
2018-04-23T11:17:44 < zyp> heh, idk then
2018-04-23T11:17:59 < tct> sometimes I feel like altium is trolling me so hard
2018-04-23T11:19:11 < tct> zyp, if I make the new outline from right to left it works
2018-04-23T11:19:16 < tct> from left to right it makes the board become that new size
2018-04-23T11:20:11 < dongs> < tct> doesn't work here. it just moves that segment.
2018-04-23T11:20:12 < dongs> it works
2018-04-23T11:20:13 < dongs> youre just a dong
2018-04-23T11:21:08 < dongs> move the cursor around the line
2018-04-23T11:21:14 < dongs> you will see it changes shape near the center
2018-04-23T11:21:53 < dongs> wow my chinadownload of shitworld s2 picked up
2018-04-23T11:21:55 < dongs> from 20k/sec to 800k
2018-04-23T11:22:00 < dongs> lets hope it conitnues then i can maybe watch it this week
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2018-04-23T11:22:16 < zyp> it's out now?
2018-04-23T11:22:20 < dongs> yes
2018-04-23T11:22:33 < zyp> entire season or just first episode(s)?
2018-04-23T11:22:37 < dongs> 1st
2018-04-23T11:22:38 < dongs> out today
2018-04-23T11:22:47 < tct> thank you mr dongs
2018-04-23T11:22:57 < dongs> tct, ound it?
2018-04-23T11:22:59 < dongs> +f
2018-04-23T11:22:59 < dongs> fuck
2018-04-23T11:23:04 < tct> yep
2018-04-23T11:23:06 < dongs> this keboard is garbage
2018-04-23T11:23:09 < dongs> randomly missing keys
2018-04-23T11:23:13 < tct> thank you for being helpful, people of this channel
2018-04-23T11:23:35 < dongs> tct, you sould give altium live support a try
2018-04-23T11:23:40 < dongs> they have a livechat
2018-04-23T11:23:41 < dongs> wiht real pros
2018-04-23T11:23:47 < dongs> not these faggot MAKE:Rs that are in this channel
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2018-04-23T11:24:03 < zyp> I think I'll wait for entire season to be out
2018-04-23T11:24:09 < dongs> so like in a year?
2018-04-23T11:24:12 < tct> dongs, serious or trolling?
2018-04-23T11:24:13 < Steffanx> Does that make you one too dongs?
2018-04-23T11:24:14 < zyp> probably, idk
2018-04-23T11:24:26 < dongs> Steffanx: i never denied i was a faggot maker
2018-04-23T11:24:43 < Steffanx> Idk
2018-04-23T11:24:53 < dongs> im going to the factory tomrorow that is going to clone this super complex battery clip
2018-04-23T11:25:17 < dongs> holy shit downloadi s going > 2meg/sec wtf
2018-04-23T11:25:23 < dongs> after rawling at 20k for half ad ay
2018-04-23T11:25:31 < tct> dongs, are you serious about live support? are they really good?
2018-04-23T11:25:36 < dongs> haha no im trolling
2018-04-23T11:25:44 < tct> :p
2018-04-23T11:25:46 < dongs> im sure random shti that you're too lazy to read docs for will be handled by this channel just fine
2018-04-23T11:26:06 < Steffanx> Haha, true ^
2018-04-23T11:26:21  * Steffanx stabs tct in tha back
2018-04-23T11:26:52 < tct> why would you do that?
2018-04-23T11:39:07 < stvn> Hmm
2018-04-23T11:45:41 < stvn> stffnx
2018-04-23T11:54:25 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
2018-04-23T11:57:29 < dongs> judew, status of successful dickstarter
2018-04-23T12:01:46 < stvn> Eh?
2018-04-23T12:01:53 < jadew> anyone bought stuff from alibaba?
2018-04-23T12:02:01 < dongs> no
2018-04-23T12:02:01 < stvn> Not me
2018-04-23T12:02:12 < dongs> alibaba is what they do with your money
2018-04-23T12:02:17 < dongs> "alibaba~" and its gone
2018-04-23T12:02:26 < stvn> Dongs has ultimate chinagirl
2018-04-23T12:02:31 < dongs> poof like jinn out of the bottle
2018-04-23T12:02:33 < dongs> yes
2018-04-23T12:02:39 < dongs> shes furiously typing behind me right now
2018-04-23T12:03:01 < stvn> I have 2 now for metal chassis and assembly
2018-04-23T12:03:20 < dongs> tomorrow ill join the cloners
2018-04-23T12:03:27 < stvn> Good idea
2018-04-23T12:03:39 < stvn> What’s hot on the clone queue
2018-04-23T12:04:32 < jadew> I don't get it how it works tho, you just talk to them and pay outside of alibaba?
2018-04-23T12:04:47 < dongs> no, thats how they scam you
2018-04-23T12:05:02 < dongs> you must pay thoruhg alibaba escrow stuff
2018-04-23T12:05:04 < jadew> so it should be relatively safe if you pay through the site, no?
2018-04-23T12:05:05 < dongs> which only accepts chink money
2018-04-23T12:05:50 < zyp> I got some shit from alibaba once, I think I just paypaled them the money
2018-04-23T12:06:02 < stvn> Did it work well?
2018-04-23T12:06:16 < zyp> well, shit showed up, so I can't complain
2018-04-23T12:06:23 < stvn> Yeah
2018-04-23T12:06:32 < zyp> can't really say whether it worked or not, never got around to designing the board for the parts to go on
2018-04-23T12:06:54 < stvn> Oh
2018-04-23T12:07:03 < dongs> lol
2018-04-23T12:07:12 < dongs> so it has sunk to the bottom of your innovation queue
2018-04-23T12:07:12 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/wAslT.JPG <- these shits
2018-04-23T12:07:14 < dongs> without results
2018-04-23T12:07:25 < dongs> wasit is right
2018-04-23T12:07:42 < zyp> haha
2018-04-23T12:08:06 < stvn> Odd thing to buy
2018-04-23T12:08:20 < jadew> zyp, they look ok, quality wise
2018-04-23T12:08:36 < zyp> yeah, sure
2018-04-23T12:08:51 < jadew> I bought some 7-segment displays that looked really cheap
2018-04-23T12:08:55 < dongs> what were you gonna display on them
2018-04-23T12:09:18 < stvn> ra53 thermistor is my latest pointless online thing purchased
2018-04-23T12:10:12 < stvn> I just wanted an analogue audio oscillator with a knob and not 1% thd
2018-04-23T12:10:31 < jadew> how would a thermistor help with that?
2018-04-23T12:10:45 < zyp> dongs, arcade shit
2018-04-23T12:11:18 < stvn> Well there are a lot of subtle ways distortion is generated with a simple oscillator
2018-04-23T12:11:40 < dongs> o rite
2018-04-23T12:11:44 < dongs> insert coin
2018-04-23T12:11:53 < dongs> jerk dix
2018-04-23T12:12:08 < jadew> stvn, but how would the thermistor help?
2018-04-23T12:12:35 < stvn> It has a good characteristic for regulation of the amplitude
2018-04-23T12:13:10 < stvn> Any instability can put on a fair amount of distortion
2018-04-23T12:13:13 < zyp> dongs, here's a pretty appropriate example: http://i0.wp.com/www.bemanistyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/09.53.33.png
2018-04-23T12:15:05 < jadew> stvn, got a link or a search term? it sounds weird
2018-04-23T12:15:36 < jadew> what's the bandwidth on a thermistor? can't be that much
2018-04-23T12:15:50 < stvn> Yeah ra53 audio oscillator
2018-04-23T12:15:59 < jadew> also, I'm not sure how it can deal with distortion, because the amplitude can stay constant, yet you could get tons of distortion
2018-04-23T12:16:03 < jadew> checking, thanks
2018-04-23T12:16:05 < dongs> zyp, lol
2018-04-23T12:20:04 < jadew> stvn, found a schematic, so it's basically used to obtain a constant amplitude signal
2018-04-23T12:20:23 < jadew> that's very cool
2018-04-23T12:20:30 < stvn> Yep
2018-04-23T12:20:58 < stvn> It’s just the trick for such a simple circuit
2018-04-23T12:21:38 < stvn> I have access to all kinds of happy chirpers but that’s simple and cool
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2018-04-23T12:27:46 < dongs> ^ is a faggot
2018-04-23T12:27:50 < mitrax> ahahah
2018-04-23T12:28:03 < dongs> sup dongs
2018-04-23T12:28:21 < mitrax> hi, damn you're still online even in sz
2018-04-23T12:28:21 < dongs> mitrax: still trolling eh
2018-04-23T12:28:25 < dongs> yeah
2018-04-23T12:28:28 < dongs> im not dead yet
2018-04-23T12:28:35 < stvn> mitrax: that’s my shed
2018-04-23T12:28:49 < mitrax> dongs: i see that :) 
2018-04-23T12:29:00 < mitrax> stvn: i know it's your fucking shed
2018-04-23T12:29:05 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-23T12:29:08 < dongs> what shed
2018-04-23T12:29:23 < stvn> Something he used to say
2018-04-23T12:29:24 < mitrax> dongs: having dinner with china girl tonight?
2018-04-23T12:29:58 < dongs> probly same as yesterday and day befroe
2018-04-23T12:30:07 < stvn> He decided to introduce me to David Lynch’s ‘dumbland’
2018-04-23T12:30:23 < dongs> im here to get some cloning work done
2018-04-23T12:30:31 < mitrax> dongs: good, she needs someone to cheer her up :) 
2018-04-23T12:31:17 < mitrax> stvn: what's up?
2018-04-23T12:31:25 < stvn> The usual
2018-04-23T12:31:28 < stvn> I’m free
2018-04-23T12:31:35 < dongs> hes pumping in here daily
2018-04-23T12:31:44 < stvn> Got a normal job
2018-04-23T12:32:46 < dongs> mitrax: i can handle that part
2018-04-23T12:32:57 < mitrax> stvn: oh, you gave up on the repairshop?
2018-04-23T12:33:41 < stvn> Yeah
2018-04-23T12:33:53 < mitrax> dongs: eheh good
2018-04-23T12:33:57 < stvn> Business partner was just a fucking twit
2018-04-23T12:34:09 < dongs> shoud have poisoned him
2018-04-23T12:34:12 < dongs> instad of quitting
2018-04-23T12:34:14 < mitrax> stvn: no shit :D
2018-04-23T12:34:21 < stvn> Told him I could walk out of it and get a better job and I did exactly that
2018-04-23T12:34:38 < mitrax> stvn: good!
2018-04-23T12:34:44 < stvn> Dongs I actually considered kicking his head off
2018-04-23T12:35:06 < mitrax> stvn: so do you do some electronics / coding? or it is a different job?
2018-04-23T12:35:17 < stvn> Engineer
2018-04-23T12:35:29 < mitrax> stvn: great
2018-04-23T12:35:35 < tct> I too am an engineer.
2018-04-23T12:35:37 < stvn> Yeah I enjoy it
2018-04-23T12:35:49 < dongs> i'm a professional internet trl
2018-04-23T12:35:53 < dongs> troll, too
2018-04-23T12:35:55 < tct> yes you are
2018-04-23T12:35:56 < dongs> but my keyboard sucks
2018-04-23T12:36:02 < stvn> That’s true dongs
2018-04-23T12:36:03 < tct> why would you buy a sucking keyboard
2018-04-23T12:36:13 < stvn> I hear quite a famous troll too
2018-04-23T12:36:17 < dongs> its the laptop chinks spilled tea on
2018-04-23T12:36:23 < dongs> which was completely replaced keyboard + shit
2018-04-23T12:36:26 < dongs> but its still trash
2018-04-23T12:36:41 < stvn> Ah
2018-04-23T12:36:48 < tct> what do you think of the dell xps 2018, dongs? looking for a new notebook.
2018-04-23T12:36:56 < tct> I'd like to go carbon x1 again but they don't have 8th gen crap yet
2018-04-23T12:37:00 < dongs> tct, not bad if you can deal with 2kg+
2018-04-23T12:37:06 < dongs> i scaled back down to 13"
2018-04-23T12:37:26 < tct> dongs, the dell xps 2018 is 13" 
2018-04-23T12:37:30 < tct> dongs, wtf 2kg?!
2018-04-23T12:37:31 < dongs> no
2018-04-23T12:37:32 < day> tct: what is 8th gen crap?
2018-04-23T12:37:36 < dongs> theres new xps15
2018-04-23T12:37:42 < tct> day, intel i7-8xxx
2018-04-23T12:37:47 < dongs> and xps13 9370 or someting
2018-04-23T12:37:47 < tct> dongs, fuck 15
2018-04-23T12:37:48 < day> ah
2018-04-23T12:37:51 < dongs> that one is trash
2018-04-23T12:37:51 < tct> dongs, I' ll never go >14
2018-04-23T12:37:53 < dongs> gamer wifi
2018-04-23T12:38:00 < Steffanx> Wut mitrax is alive :o
2018-04-23T12:38:09 < dongs> Steffanx: chinagirl made him join
2018-04-23T12:38:12 < tct> mitrax you missed our irc meetup
2018-04-23T12:38:41 < day> stm32 channel meetups must be nice
2018-04-23T12:38:44 < day> is dongs there?
2018-04-23T12:38:45 < Steffanx> Aha. I actually was wondering if mitrax was still alive yesterday
2018-04-23T12:38:50 < stvn> Same
2018-04-23T12:39:01 < Steffanx> Dont you use another nick as well mitrax?
2018-04-23T12:39:02 < mitrax> what? when and where did you meet?
2018-04-23T12:39:15 < tct> mitrax, swiss alps, like 5 weeks ago
2018-04-23T12:39:23 < Steffanx> Dad, mr ugfx and mr tiny did a meet up.
2018-04-23T12:39:29 < mitrax> doh
2018-04-23T12:39:37 < day> i imagine x hours of linux and kicad bashing infront of an altium monument
2018-04-23T12:39:41 < Steffanx> Weather was bad. Fuck swissets
2018-04-23T12:39:46 < dongs> ahah
2018-04-23T12:39:48 < Steffanx> -t + r
2018-04-23T12:39:52 < tct> most horrible weather I have ever seen here
2018-04-23T12:40:25 < Steffanx> I can show you a pic from the view we had, if you want to.
2018-04-23T12:40:36 < tct> don' t.
2018-04-23T12:40:44 < tct> we agreed that what happened in swissland stays in swissland
2018-04-23T12:40:58 < Steffanx> Ok.
2018-04-23T12:41:00 < jadew> you guys actually met?
2018-04-23T12:41:04 < mitrax> Steffanx: no actually i haven't been on irc at all, i use another nickname (zygron) but on Efnet
2018-04-23T12:41:08 < jadew> I thought it was off
2018-04-23T12:41:14 < Steffanx> But its all white with just some trees, tct
2018-04-23T12:41:23 < mitrax> tct: well maybe next time :) if that happens again
2018-04-23T12:41:26 < tct> jadew, yes
2018-04-23T12:41:38 < tct> zypgron
2018-04-23T12:41:46 < jadew> tct, bummer
2018-04-23T12:41:50 < tct> it will happen again
2018-04-23T12:41:53 < BrainDamage> 4/10, couldn't even do the wet slippery slide
2018-04-23T12:41:55 < tct> with better weather
2018-04-23T12:41:59 < tct> yeah
2018-04-23T12:42:03 < tct> sorry guys
2018-04-23T12:42:10 < tct> in my defense: steffan picked the date
2018-04-23T12:42:21 < tct> </blame_other_people>
2018-04-23T12:42:37 < jadew> next time pick a date that's not this month
2018-04-23T12:43:07 < tct> yeah steffan
2018-04-23T12:44:20 < psprint> I have a cheap IR diode and pilot, pilot uses NEC standard. Has anyone coded use of such pilot?
2018-04-23T12:44:38 < Steffanx> Fuck steffan.
2018-04-23T12:44:49 < dongs> psprint: whats a pilot
2018-04-23T12:45:03 < psprint> ah, a "remote", sorry
2018-04-23T12:45:37 < mitrax> SteffanX: sure, if you have pics from the event i want to see them :p
2018-04-23T12:45:40 < dongs> psprint: https://techdocs.altium.com/display/FPGA/NEC+Infrared+Transmission+Protocol
2018-04-23T12:45:50 < dongs> ive implementd this on stm32 both rx and tx
2018-04-23T12:45:55 < dongs> using either generic timer or IRTIM
2018-04-23T12:46:00 < Steffanx> Nah, mitraX, tectu doesnt allow me to show them
2018-04-23T12:46:01 < mitrax> SteffanX: you can blur dong's face :D
2018-04-23T12:46:07 < dongs> Lol
2018-04-23T12:46:12 < psprint> dongs: it's about using timer with channel and capture?
2018-04-23T12:46:16 < dongs> yes
2018-04-23T12:46:25 < dongs> and IRTIM for tx, it automatically adds carrier
2018-04-23T12:46:33 < dongs> or else you have to modulate another timer thats doing carrier
2018-04-23T12:46:54 < mitrax> SteffanX: oh? i didn't remember Tectu was uncomfortable with showing his face
2018-04-23T12:47:50 < Steffanx> No pics of his face
2018-04-23T12:48:43 < mitrax> hmm okay, i thought i had seen him already but it must have been someone else then
2018-04-23T12:49:36 < tct> jadew, pic: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/family-photo.jpg?raw=true
2018-04-23T12:50:52 < jadew> I'm the only black guy there?
2018-04-23T12:51:16 < mitrax> wait, tct == tectu ?
2018-04-23T12:51:35 < jadew> the shorter version
2018-04-23T12:51:47 < tct> mitrax, yes
2018-04-23T12:51:48 < dongs> yes
2018-04-23T12:51:52 < dongs> tct renamed to a less kawaii ick
2018-04-23T12:51:54 < dongs> nck
2018-04-23T12:52:04 < tct> I dropped 'dem vocalz
2018-04-23T12:52:16 < tct> vowelz*
2018-04-23T12:52:17 < mitrax> tct: sorry didn't realize it was you :) 
2018-04-23T12:52:17 < tct> damn
2018-04-23T12:52:22 < tct> mitrax, no worries, man :)
2018-04-23T12:52:27 < tct> mitrax, glad to see you around again o/
2018-04-23T12:54:16 < mitrax> tct: aha thanks ;)
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2018-04-23T13:00:10 < mitrax> tct: are you still studying at university or did you graduate yet?
2018-04-23T13:00:24 < tct> mitrax, finished that. now working full time
2018-04-23T13:01:06 < mitrax> so you're closer from home now? :)
2018-04-23T13:01:47 < stvn> the graduates
2018-04-23T13:03:19 < tct> yes ;-)
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2018-04-23T13:03:38 < tct> I moved from Brigerbad to Visp last June though
2018-04-23T13:04:46 < mitrax> must be quiet :)
2018-04-23T13:05:42 < stvn> hm
2018-04-23T13:05:55 < tct> it is
2018-04-23T13:07:19 < stvn> the swissland
2018-04-23T13:10:18 < mitrax> tct: quiet is good :) looks like a nice place with the lake nearby and all 
2018-04-23T13:10:58 < mitrax> hrm wait, is there a lake? i see pictures with and without 
2018-04-23T13:11:30 < mitrax> wtf google image
2018-04-23T13:11:56 < tct> wtf lake?
2018-04-23T13:12:02 < tct> haven't seen a lake here in quite a while
2018-04-23T13:12:09 < tct> anyway, I gotta go. take care man o/
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2018-04-23T13:12:31 < BrainDamage> there's glaciers, not lakes https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=11/46.3223/7.7972
2018-04-23T13:17:15 < mitrax> indeed
2018-04-23T13:19:42 < dongs> who the fuck uses opensoresstreetmap
2018-04-23T13:20:23 < BrainDamage> because the colour makes it easier to distinguish them
2018-04-23T13:22:05  * karlp for one.
2018-04-23T13:24:02 < stvn> the revelation 
2018-04-23T13:24:03 < jpa-> i've even contributed to openstreetmap!
2018-04-23T13:29:07 < BrainDamage> for years google maps didn't have an offline routing functionality and even now it's kind of mediocre compared to downloading a couple hundred MB dump of the whole country when traveling abroad
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2018-04-23T13:32:19 < psprint> dongs: is like this: the timer probes input line on given frequencey, for high/low, stores the value read into a circular buffer or something?
2018-04-23T13:32:29 < dongs> psprint: DMA works
2018-04-23T13:32:37 < dongs> or you could just count bits in timer IRQ yeah
2018-04-23T13:33:23 < psprint> if I can count bits manually in timer IRQ, then I don't need channel/capture? so the channel is for DMA?
2018-04-23T13:33:46 < dongs> no, the IRQ is he capture
2018-04-23T13:34:01 < psprint> ah ok
2018-04-23T13:34:30 < Laurenceb___> found dongs
2018-04-23T13:34:32 < Laurenceb___> https://imgoat.com/uploads/97da629b09/106980.png
2018-04-23T13:35:25 < dongs> > downloading a couple hundred MB dump of the whole country when traveling abroad autism overload
2018-04-23T13:36:09 < Haohmaru> virtual void autism() { while (1); }
2018-04-23T13:37:10 < dongs> jesus fucking nigger powershell
2018-04-23T13:37:14 < dongs> what absolute fucking abortion
2018-04-23T13:37:24 < dongs> all i wanted was a cmd so I can run fucking wget.exe
2018-04-23T13:37:26 < dongs> from path
2018-04-23T13:37:29 < Laurenceb___> https://imgoat.com/uploads/97da629b09/106981.jpg
2018-04-23T13:37:33 < dongs> apparently powershit includes its own retarded wget
2018-04-23T13:37:35 < dongs> that doesnt do anything useful
2018-04-23T13:37:38 < dongs> fucking garbage
2018-04-23T13:37:55 < Laurenceb___> remember ur ritalin ^
2018-04-23T13:38:53 < Haohmaru> where did you find that fine piece of art
2018-04-23T13:39:18 < Laurenceb___> the internets https://imgoat.com/uploads/97da629b09/106982.jpg
2018-04-23T13:39:23 < Laurenceb___> my sides  
2018-04-23T13:39:45 < Haohmaru> that frankenpotato..
2018-04-23T13:42:14 < BrainDamage> dongs: how is having a working navigator autism, it takes ~10s effort from me clicking on the download
2018-04-23T13:44:19 < karlp> openstreetmap is wayyyy more uptodate than google maps here too
2018-04-23T13:44:52 < karlp> google's caught up a lot but it's never as fast 
2018-04-23T13:47:30 < zyp> hmm, osm seems to have a bunch more of the roads in the new area here where I'm buying a house too
2018-04-23T13:47:47 < zyp> see https://www.google.com/maps/@58.3139775,8.5404683,17z vs https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/58.31370/8.54036
2018-04-23T13:48:02 < Laurenceb___> now we know where he lives
2018-04-23T13:48:09 < zyp> apparently it's still a forest though
2018-04-23T13:48:22 < Laurenceb___>  *sends monsanto frankenfood*
2018-04-23T13:48:33 < zyp> Laurenceb___, I don't live there yet
2018-04-23T13:49:18 < karlp> lolrence, he sent us athe real estate photos from the house next door a while ago too.
2018-04-23T13:49:25 < karlp> you're a pretty bad doxer dude.
2018-04-23T13:49:46 < zyp> :)
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2018-04-23T13:53:57 < Haohmaru> google is too busy spying on yo
2018-04-23T13:54:03 < jpa-> https://osm.org/go/00aPjc--   in finland we decided to split the country at 63.5N, 25E and cut down all forests on the west side
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2018-04-23T13:54:30 < zyp> haha
2018-04-23T13:55:48 < karlp> reminds me, I need to go and update the bars in town again.
2018-04-23T13:57:37 < jpa-> in our city the bus route application uses openstreetmap; there was a mistake in turn restrictions so all the buses had to suddenly make an U-turn in the middle of the road until i fixed it in OSM    http://fpaste.dy.fi/lDU/disp
2018-04-23T13:58:03 < zyp> :)
2018-04-23T13:58:05 < BrainDamage> 10/10, would troll local transportation again
2018-04-23T13:59:39 < BrainDamage> I mark water fountains on OSM as I meet them on my bike so that when I'm thirsty I can search them easily by feature
2018-04-23T14:01:09 < karlp> what do you use for on the go phone based mapping? osmand?
2018-04-23T14:01:24 < BrainDamage> yes
2018-04-23T14:01:29 < karlp> I don't do much ont eh go anymore, haven't for years, it's all filled in enough locally.
2018-04-23T14:01:49 < BrainDamage> the interface is so fucking open sores though
2018-04-23T14:02:21 < stvn> hmmm
2018-04-23T14:11:21 < Laurenceb___> the elevation data hidden under "cycle map" is rage inducing
2018-04-23T14:13:20 < karlp> your point?
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2018-04-23T16:12:01 < tct> dongs, ping
2018-04-23T16:12:09 < tct> I'm trying to add a fucking logo to the silkscreen
2018-04-23T16:12:10 < tct> but jesus
2018-04-23T16:12:10 < tct> wtf
2018-04-23T16:12:11 < tct> altium
2018-04-23T16:12:14 < tct> how hard can this be?
2018-04-23T16:12:28 < karlp> pro software
2018-04-23T16:12:36 < karlp> better ask that pro support you pay for
2018-04-23T16:12:45 < tct> It looks horrible. Even though the source file looks fine (monochrome BMP) it looks extremely pixelated in altium. almost as if there's some hidden DPI setting that's set to a value of "potato"
2018-04-23T16:12:48 < tct> any ideas?
2018-04-23T16:22:06 < karlp> use kicad or eagle or diptrace or orcad?
2018-04-23T16:23:52 < tct> I actually used all four of that before I came to alitum
2018-04-23T16:23:58 < tct> those*
2018-04-23T16:26:59 < Haohmaru> have a break, have a kicad
2018-04-23T16:29:32 < karlp> sounds like you wasted your money then :)
2018-04-23T16:29:50 < karlp> or maybe it's altium's way of prescribing behaviour.
2018-04-23T16:30:05 < karlp> "thou shalt not put pictures on your pcbs! pcbs are for serious bizness only!"
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2018-04-23T16:30:27 < Haohmaru> of course! dxf or gtfo!
2018-04-23T16:30:37 < mitrax> tct: can you send the source bitmap?
2018-04-23T16:31:08 < Haohmaru> potato_logo_small.bmp
2018-04-23T16:32:35 < tct> mitrax, how would that help?
2018-04-23T16:33:08 < mitrax> tct: might be simpler to vectorize it in another software and reimport it as DXF / EPS whatever
2018-04-23T16:33:55 < tct> mitrax, well I already have it as a vector format
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2018-04-23T16:34:32 < mitrax> i don't get it, why do you import it as a BMP then?
2018-04-23T16:42:11 < tct> well, it seemed like the easiest option
2018-04-23T16:42:23 < tct> can anybody tell me where I can find the 'Document Options' dialog in AD18?
2018-04-23T16:42:25 < tct> https://www.altium.com/documentation/17.1/display/ADES/Sch_Dlg-SheetOptions((Document+Options+(SCH)+))_AD
2018-04-23T16:42:52 < karlp> surely ad18 has help too right?
2018-04-23T16:43:32 < tct> yes, but that article/document doesn't exist for ad18 and I couldn't find any references as to how to do that in ad18
2018-04-23T16:44:36 < mitrax> tct: yeah but considering the end output format (gerber) is vectorial it'll be re-vectorized internally when you import, and look like shit, you're better off importing directly as vectors
2018-04-23T16:44:53 < tct> mitrax, I see, makes sense!
2018-04-23T16:45:02 < tct> time to figure out how to get that SVG onto the PCB then
2018-04-23T16:48:19 < mitrax> tct: i don't use altium, but if there no SVG import for PCB i'm sure there is support for DXF/DWG , you might have to convert
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2018-04-23T17:05:51 < bit_mask> herro
2018-04-23T17:11:24 < jpa-> tct: 1. Save as .WMF from inkscape   2. Insert .WMF into a word document   3. Select image, ctrl-c    4. Edit->Paste in altium
2018-04-23T17:11:46 < tct> wtf is a .WMF
2018-04-23T17:12:04 < jpa-> windows vector image format
2018-04-23T17:12:17 < tct> will try that - thanks jpa-
2018-04-23T17:12:29 < karlp> fucking top pro toolz there.
2018-04-23T17:12:54 < Haohmaru> windows meta fuhshizzle
2018-04-23T17:16:27 < tct> jpa-, tried that, didn't show up anything in altium although there was some progressbar action happening
2018-04-23T17:17:38 < dongs> hi dongs
2018-04-23T17:17:48 < dongs> tct, i don't irc when im not at office
2018-04-23T17:18:24 < tct> dongs, seems like you're in the office a lot then
2018-04-23T17:18:34 < tct> dongs, what's the sanest way to get a logo onto the silkscreen in altidumz?
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2018-04-23T17:25:17 < zyp> tct, probably like this: https://www.altium.com/documentation/18.0/display/ADES/EDAImporter_Dlg-SetupDialog((Import+from+AutoCAD+(PCB)+))_AD
2018-04-23T17:27:24 < tct> zyp, I tried that and it somewhat worked. the issue I have is taht the logo is then just outlines and has no fills
2018-04-23T17:28:14 < zyp> select the outlines and convert them to a polygon then?
2018-04-23T17:28:47 < tct> sounds fancy, will try that
2018-04-23T17:31:06 < tct> zyp, how? :p
2018-04-23T17:33:44 < tct> tried this but it does weird stuff: https://www.altium.com/documentation/18.0/display/ADES/PCB_Cmd-ConvertSelected((ConvertSelected))_AD
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2018-04-23T17:56:12 < aandrew> well some progress
2018-04-23T17:56:22 < aandrew> lwip sees and THINKS it's responding to ARP requests
2018-04-23T17:57:08 < aandrew> HAL_ETH_TransmitFrame() executes and completes without error
2018-04-23T17:57:15 < aandrew> nada on the wire though
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2018-04-23T18:29:44 < karlp> "lets put allll the things in this package" https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/power/battery-management/MAX77650.html
2018-04-23T18:31:55 < Ultrasauce> TI has some switchers with integrated inductors dont they
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2018-04-23T18:38:29 < karlp> LT/Analog too, but I don't remember seeing all the programmable outputs _and_ the battery charging stuff as well.
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2018-04-23T18:46:17 < jpa-> quite fun how it can regulate everything with a single inductor
2018-04-23T18:58:52 < karlp> and no external resistors for the otuput setting either
2018-04-23T18:59:04 < karlp> all via i2c, presumably with custom from the factory defaults or something
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2018-04-23T19:16:12 < aandrew> wtf this fucker is even sending data to the PHY
2018-04-23T19:16:17 < aandrew> why can't i see the fucking traffic
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2018-04-23T19:30:11 < Laurenceb__> I'm in jail dude
2018-04-23T19:30:13 < Laurenceb__> http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/16174947.Man_jailed_after_buying_ambulance_and_faking_documents_to_work_for_NHS/?ref=mr&lp=2
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2018-04-23T19:30:37 < Laurenceb__> me on youtube
2018-04-23T19:30:40 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeuJ_6skbF4
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2018-04-23T19:35:01 < Steffanx> Laurenceb__: Most important question, do you even have a drivers license?
2018-04-23T19:35:14 < Steffanx> As in: did you pass the theory exam yet?
2018-04-23T19:45:59 < Laurenceb__> >Kate Middleton's womb is public property  my turn next
2018-04-23T19:47:39 < Steffanx> Who is Kate Middleton?
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2018-04-23T19:50:39 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/3c65c29742/107074.jpg
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2018-04-23T20:40:05 < Laurenceb__> https://twitter.com/OpinionatedEuro
2018-04-23T20:40:09 < Laurenceb__> the absolute state
2018-04-23T20:42:01 < Laurenceb__> wew sargon is there
2018-04-23T20:45:09 < Laurenceb__> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbdmcCGX0AE9_9t.jpg
2018-04-23T20:45:24 < Laurenceb__> who ate all the pies?
2018-04-23T20:45:32 < Ultrasauce> imagine wanting to be seen in public wearing a kekistani flag
2018-04-23T20:47:02 < Laurenceb__> my sides
2018-04-23T20:47:15 < Laurenceb__> they are using the hashtag #autismawareness
2018-04-23T20:48:04 < Laurenceb__> wtf there are grrlz there
2018-04-23T20:48:18 < Laurenceb__> ftw kekstanis more likely to get laid than me
2018-04-23T20:48:23 < Laurenceb__> *tfw
2018-04-23T20:49:31 < Laurenceb__> https://twitter.com/OpinionatedEuro/status/988040838310752256
2018-04-23T20:49:49 < Laurenceb__> they are literally tranny immigrants
2018-04-23T20:49:55 < Laurenceb__> this timeline...
2018-04-23T20:51:18 < Steffanx> No need to repost the timeline, because im not - fucking - interested.
2018-04-23T20:52:07 < Laurenceb__> its happening dude
2018-04-23T20:52:12 < Laurenceb__> the kekistani revolution
2018-04-23T20:54:29 < Steffanx> Yeah, just keep it where it's supposed to be. On 4chan
2018-04-23T20:55:56 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/3c65c29742/107090.jpg
2018-04-23T20:58:01 < antto> fugg, that's a mean expression
2018-04-23T21:01:31 < mitrax> and here goes my hope that LaurenceB random posts would just be a memory :)
2018-04-23T21:02:09 < BrainDamage> if anything the quality and frequency has worsened over time
2018-04-23T21:02:36 < mitrax> eeek
2018-04-23T21:05:08 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o mitrax] by ChanServ
2018-04-23T21:05:13 < Steffanx> You can make it a memory now.
2018-04-23T21:05:21 <@mitrax> ahahah
2018-04-23T21:06:07 <@mitrax> nah that would be against my irc principles! 
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2018-04-23T21:06:37 < mitrax> and i've had my shares of shit talks in here with crt
2018-04-23T21:06:51 < mitrax> or well svtn or whatever is current nickname is
2018-04-23T21:07:33 < mitrax> is/his
2018-04-23T21:08:25 < Ultrasauce> hypocracy is no excuse for inaction!!
2018-04-23T21:10:32 < mitrax> i need a silent (i.E fanless) / cheap lab power supply (single or dual), any recommendation?
2018-04-23T21:25:00 < Steffanx> pass
2018-04-23T21:26:10 < antto> there is surely one, but it's so quiet - you won't hear it calling you "pick me! pick me!"
2018-04-23T21:28:17 < mitrax> :)
2018-04-23T21:28:52 < Steffanx> lol mr antto
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2018-04-23T21:38:08 < Steffanx> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/pedestrians-struck-white-van-1.4631564 dont do that englishman
2018-04-23T21:38:16 < Steffanx> At least it was a white van, and not a black one.
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2018-04-23T21:43:26 < kakimir> Laurenceb__, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8W-auqg024
2018-04-23T21:43:56 < Laurenceb__> lul I know that field
2018-04-23T21:44:03 < Laurenceb__>  #highaltitude confirmed
2018-04-23T21:44:21 < Laurenceb__> thats land rover belongs to rocketboy
2018-04-23T21:44:24 < Laurenceb__> *that
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2018-04-23T21:45:53 < Laurenceb__> yay 4:14
2018-04-23T21:45:56 < Laurenceb__> its rocketboy
2018-04-23T21:47:26 < Laurenceb__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43873058
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2018-04-23T21:49:40 < jadew> Laurenceb__, was wondering if they transplanted the balls too, but they didn't
2018-04-23T21:49:54 < jadew> the kids would have turned up black
2018-04-23T21:50:00 < Laurenceb__> kek
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2018-04-23T22:18:48 < bit_mask> https://youtu.be/N8_QMwKtL48
2018-04-23T22:24:56 < Ultrasauce> that doesn't sound very nice
2018-04-23T22:26:36 < bit_mask> yea I havent figured out why yet though hah
2018-04-23T22:28:29 < Steffanx> oh, rob235 
2018-04-23T22:28:39 < englishman> Steffanx: just old people driving, absolutely normal
2018-04-23T22:28:39 < Ultrasauce> microstepping and acceleration
2018-04-23T22:28:57 < Steffanx> Why you full circle, ocd.. much
2018-04-23T22:29:54 < bit_mask> why did I draw a circle?
2018-04-23T22:30:08 < Steffanx> *no full circle
2018-04-23T22:30:28 < zyp> huh, that sounds worse than the stuff I'm dicking with
2018-04-23T22:30:53 < bit_mask> when cutting the arc into segments I forgot to have it draw the last one
2018-04-23T22:31:01 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/bUddk.mp4 <- I just implemented homing
2018-04-23T22:31:20 < zyp> or the start of it, rather
2018-04-23T22:31:34 < Ultrasauce> needs more backlash compensation
2018-04-23T22:32:12 < Ultrasauce> also the very important feature of slamming into the end stop
2018-04-23T22:32:24 < zyp> already done that a couple of times
2018-04-23T22:33:03 < zyp> first I implemented x-homing, and that worked fine
2018-04-23T22:33:06 < Ultrasauce> also lubricate your z screws
2018-04-23T22:33:21 < zyp> then I implemented y-homing, and nothing happened because it still triggered on the x-endstop
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2018-04-23T22:34:01 < zyp> then I switched to the y-endstop and promptly ran into the x endstop because I forgot to change which axis to move
2018-04-23T22:34:28 < zyp> then I changed that as well, and ran into the opposite end of the y-endstop because the stepper was running the wrong direction
2018-04-23T22:35:12 < Ultrasauce> idk why big red killswitches aren't a standard part of the hardware
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2018-04-23T22:35:44 < zyp> board has a button on nrst, I've hit that a couple of times
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2018-04-23T22:54:03 < Steffanx> stvn: 
2018-04-23T22:54:19 < stvn> Steffan hits my button all the time
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2018-04-23T22:55:01 < Steffanx> ))
2018-04-23T22:56:37 < stvn> Hello welcome!
2018-04-23T22:56:55 < Steffanx> ty..
2018-04-23T22:57:44 < stvn> Full take care
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2018-04-23T23:01:47 < mitrax> stvn: you doing good, yes?
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2018-04-23T23:03:16 < Bundestrojaner> good evening
2018-04-23T23:03:16 < Bundestrojaner> I have a strange problem on my stm32f0 discovery: My program runs fine in debug-mode, but if i want it to run stand-alone by supplying 5V to the 5V-Pin, it doesn't run the program
2018-04-23T23:04:11 < zyp> if you don't power the stlink part of the board, it pulls nrst down, keeping your chip in reset
2018-04-23T23:04:14 < Bundestrojaner> also pressing reset doesn't help, 
2018-04-23T23:04:14 < Bundestrojaner> if important: I flashed the Segger JLink lite onto the board
2018-04-23T23:04:51 < zyp> IIRC there's a solder jumper on the board to disconnect nrst from the stlink part
2018-04-23T23:04:58 < zyp> check the board schematic
2018-04-23T23:05:27 < Bundestrojaner> zyp: don't they have a common supply? the discovery has a 3v3 linear regulator, i think it powers both
2018-04-23T23:06:47 < zyp> does the stlink leds light up like usual?
2018-04-23T23:09:59 < stvn> Welcome mitrax
2018-04-23T23:11:27 < stvn> I am good
2018-04-23T23:12:22 < zyp> Bundestrojaner, you're right, they're both fed from the same regulator
2018-04-23T23:12:56 < Bundestrojaner> zyp: LD1 lights red, LD2 blinks green really fast.
2018-04-23T23:12:56 < Bundestrojaner> the discovery documentation says "Blinking Red/Green LED: During communication with target"
2018-04-23T23:13:30 < zyp> well, if you reflashed it with jlink, it can use the leds differently
2018-04-23T23:14:21 < zyp> have you tried removing the CN2 jumpers?
2018-04-23T23:15:45 < zyp> if your firmware requires HSE, note that HSE is fed from stlink MCO to save a crystal
2018-04-23T23:16:00 < zyp> so if stlink doesn't turn that on, HSE won't start
2018-04-23T23:17:46 < Bundestrojaner> zyp: that's why i don't want to remove CN2 - i need HSE
2018-04-23T23:18:11 < zyp> HSE doesn't go through CN2
2018-04-23T23:18:58 < Bundestrojaner> maybe the jlink software changed the behaviour of the stlink in this case.
2018-04-23T23:18:58 < Bundestrojaner> I think i remember the original software to work stand-alone fine when powered this way
2018-04-23T23:19:50 < zyp> yep
2018-04-23T23:19:59 < zyp> that's my suspicion too
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2018-04-23T23:22:15 < Bundestrojaner> zyp: i removed CN2, didn't change anything.
2018-04-23T23:22:15 < Bundestrojaner> Is it possible that the Jlink light doesn't deliver a clock?
2018-04-23T23:22:15 < Bundestrojaner> All my GPIOs seem to be floating
2018-04-23T23:22:45 < zyp> yes
2018-04-23T23:23:01 < zyp> maybe it needs to be instructed by the host software to turn on MCO
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2018-04-23T23:24:23 < mitrax> Bundestrojaner: are you sure your code starts at the proper address? e.g 0x8000000, if your app is not located on the first sector (if you planned to have a bootloader for example) it won't start by itself, but the debugger will jump to proper address 
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2018-04-23T23:28:36 < Bundestrojaner> mitrax: no, i am not. I don't have any bootloader and i wrote it in C++ so the compiler should put main() to the correct adress
2018-04-23T23:31:47 < mitrax> well it makes no difference what language you use :) it's the linker script that tells where your code should be located in flash memory
2018-04-23T23:32:03 < mitrax> but if you didn't modify it, indeed it's unlikely that it's the problem
2018-04-23T23:32:07 < antto> yeah, or compiler/linker arguments
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2018-04-23T23:38:49 < karlp> the compiler doesn't do shit with putting main at the "correct" address
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2018-04-23T23:46:09 < stvn> Pro 32
2018-04-23T23:47:18 < aandrew> what the shit
2018-04-23T23:47:38 < aandrew> I can see RMII traffic going to the phy from the stm32, but nothing on the other side of the wire
2018-04-23T23:47:41 < aandrew> this is frustrating
2018-04-23T23:47:50 < aandrew> why would a PHY not transmit
2018-04-23T23:48:07 < zyp> does it receive?
2018-04-23T23:48:10 < aandrew> yep
2018-04-23T23:48:20 < aandrew> it's receiving ARP requests, it's processing them and sending the ARP response
2018-04-23T23:48:34 < aandrew> it's making it out on to the RMII TXEN/TX0/TX1
2018-04-23T23:48:48 < aandrew> I must have thy PHY misconfigured
2018-04-23T23:48:50 < zyp> strange
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2018-04-23T23:52:19 < aandrew> almost sounds like isolate mode is on
2018-04-23T23:52:29 < aandrew> "The device data paths may be electrically isolated from the RMII interface by setting the Isolate bit of the Basic Control Register to “1”. In isolation mode, the transceiver does not respond to the TXD, TXEN and TXER inputs, but does respond to management transactions."
2018-04-23T23:53:11 < zyp> I'd expect that to kill reception too
2018-04-23T23:53:29 < aandrew> that is also what I thought but it doesn't say that
2018-04-23T23:53:42 < zyp> time to check that register then
2018-04-23T23:54:23 < stvn> When I read ARP I think of a dog barking
2018-04-23T23:56:04 < stvn> Hope that is of some assistance
2018-04-23T23:57:11 < mitrax> ahaha
2018-04-23T23:57:31 < aandrew> lol
2018-04-23T23:59:50 < aandrew> definitely not in isolate mode
2018-04-23T23:59:51 < stvn> I hope you solve the issue, I’m keiling today too
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2018-04-24T00:33:00 < Steffanx> You dont even C, stvn
2018-04-24T00:33:17 < stvn> What is sea
2018-04-24T00:33:48 < stvn> I use mikroelectronica basic compilers for stm32
2018-04-24T00:33:51 < Steffanx> Its what comes before the RT.
2018-04-24T00:34:03 < stvn> curt
2018-04-24T00:42:22 < bit_mask> I guess I didnt fix the full circle thing, still cool though https://i.imgur.com/U41yhq7.jpg
2018-04-24T00:53:21 < stvn> Wut is that?
2018-04-24T00:55:42 < bit_mask> pen plotter
2018-04-24T00:55:51 < bit_mask> finally getting it to draw
2018-04-24T00:59:28 < bit_mask> ahh found my incomplete circle bug
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2018-04-24T01:11:50 < stvn> Cool
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2018-04-24T01:20:25 < Laurenceb___> englishman finally sapped
2018-04-24T01:20:27 < Laurenceb___> *snapped
2018-04-24T01:20:30 < stvn> Meme
2018-04-24T01:21:47 < stvn> What are you doing Laurence
2018-04-24T01:22:08 < Laurenceb___> reading about Sargon
2018-04-24T01:22:23 < Laurenceb___> he is no longer going to the MRA conference that cost £200 to get it
2018-04-24T01:22:27 < Laurenceb___> my sides
2018-04-24T01:22:28 < stvn> One of those YouTube twats?
2018-04-24T01:22:36 < Laurenceb___> MRAs got ripped off
2018-04-24T01:22:37 < Laurenceb___> yes
2018-04-24T01:23:06 < Laurenceb___> >pay 200 to go to some stupid conference
2018-04-24T01:23:12 < Laurenceb___> >sargon isnt even coming
2018-04-24T01:23:24 < stvn> Glad u don’t know what mra is
2018-04-24T01:23:27 < stvn> I
2018-04-24T01:23:33 < Laurenceb___> MRAs on suicide watch
2018-04-24T01:23:35 < Laurenceb___> wait
2018-04-24T01:23:42 < Laurenceb___> >male suicide gap explained
2018-04-24T01:24:10 < stvn> Now I’m even more confused
2018-04-24T01:24:49 < stvn> You need a weekly pamphlet delivered to us - deciphering the blaxter code
2018-04-24T01:24:53 < BrainDamage> that'd be an excellent subtitle to a biographic movie on Laurenceb__'s life
2018-04-24T01:25:03 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-24T01:25:24 < BrainDamage> 'The blaxter's ratio - Now I am even more confused'
2018-04-24T01:27:51 < Laurenceb___> according to Sargon
2018-04-24T01:27:58 < Laurenceb___> >MRA is no longer relevant
2018-04-24T01:28:00 < Laurenceb___> kekking
2018-04-24T01:29:11 < Laurenceb___> stvn: https://icmi18.wordpress.com/
2018-04-24T01:29:31 < Laurenceb___> the sarcucked conference
2018-04-24T01:29:42 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
2018-04-24T01:30:32 < Laurenceb___> dat ticket price
2018-04-24T01:30:38  * mitrax deciphered the code !
2018-04-24T01:33:15 < mitrax> Laurence Blaxter => Anal Blur Excrete
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2018-04-24T01:41:30 < mitrax> stvn: i thought we had an agreement not to let one another's joke fall flat
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2018-04-24T01:45:49 < stvn> Hi
2018-04-24T01:46:47 < stvn> I only know about uncle bob
2018-04-24T01:47:33 < mitrax> how's mr cat?
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2018-04-24T02:03:36 < stvn> Cat is good
2018-04-24T02:05:30 < stvn> Toronto van massacre
2018-04-24T02:05:56 < stvn> 9+ dead
2018-04-24T02:06:06 < stvn> BAN THE ASSAULT VAN
2018-04-24T02:07:11 < stvn> Mass killings!!!!
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2018-04-24T02:09:03 < englishman> FLQ truck attack
2018-04-24T02:09:59 < stvn> Do you have a special assault trucks permit for that vehicle?
2018-04-24T02:11:09 < englishman> he did not have the assault truck permit nor permission to drive his assault truck into a crowded place, police are highly confused how this could happen
2018-04-24T02:11:33 < englishman> i think they might make murder illegal this time
2018-04-24T02:35:29 < karlp> is bit_mask rob?
2018-04-24T02:35:36 < bit_mask> yes
2018-04-24T02:36:03 < karlp> was just looking at your pen plots, thought it must be :)
2018-04-24T02:36:09 < bit_mask> :)
2018-04-24T02:37:27 < karlp> copying files around onto new disks is tedious, even if the new disks are fast.
2018-04-24T02:40:20 < bit_mask> sodipodi everywhere
2018-04-24T02:45:01 < karlp> what do you mean?
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2018-04-24T02:46:04 < bit_mask> I was looking for a svg to convert and draw and it says sodipodi all over teh place, apparently its what inkspace used to be called
2018-04-24T02:46:24 < bit_mask> inkscape*
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2018-04-24T02:50:16 < Laurenceb___> englishman: u need to turn yourself in m8
2018-04-24T02:50:22 < Laurenceb___> we know it was you
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2018-04-24T02:59:44 < Thorn> Laurenceb___ is the only 4chan troll operating under his real name
2018-04-24T03:00:02 < Laurenceb___> yeah
2018-04-24T03:00:06 < Laurenceb___> I'm in jail now
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2018-04-24T03:00:53 < Laurenceb___> following in the footsteps of count dankula
2018-04-24T03:01:17 < Laurenceb___> pretty sure I'm grossly offensive
2018-04-24T03:09:15 < Laurenceb___> also I'm the only living person with my name
2018-04-24T03:09:58 < Laurenceb___> there was a fellow amerimutt at ellis island in 1920 or so
2018-04-24T03:11:06 < aandrew> motherfucker
2018-04-24T03:11:18 < aandrew> it appears that the fucking USB ethernet dongle was the source of my problem
2018-04-24T03:11:44 < aandrew> I bought another tonight explicitly to verify this and the thing fired up immediately
2018-04-24T03:14:19 < Laurenceb___> why do you think I enjoy the amerimutt meme so much
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2018-04-24T04:32:12 < stvn> blaxter is in jail?
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2018-04-24T05:16:32 < aandrew> yep... for whatever reason this USB adapter doesn't fucking work anymroe. lost an entire fucking day
2018-04-24T05:21:05 < stvn> damn
2018-04-24T05:21:11 < stvn> that's painful
2018-04-24T05:21:37 < stvn> DW analog devices shipped me a broken usb cable with an eval board
2018-04-24T05:21:43 < stvn> that had me pumping all day
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2018-04-24T05:23:18 < stvn> furiously
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2018-04-24T10:41:30 < Streaker> https://youtu.be/9-QXRPWvuvk
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2018-04-24T10:56:22 < tct> are you the new laurence?
2018-04-24T11:02:35 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-24T11:03:06 < stvn> Hi mate
2018-04-24T11:07:30 < stvn> Is steffan here?
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2018-04-24T11:17:30 < mitrax> hi
2018-04-24T11:19:43 < stvn> Greeting
2018-04-24T11:21:31 < stvn> What’s up mitrax
2018-04-24T11:22:00 < mitrax> not much
2018-04-24T11:22:09 < mitrax> you? keiling?
2018-04-24T11:22:21 < stvn> Ya
2018-04-24T11:22:32 < stvn> Long day
2018-04-24T11:23:47 < stvn> Keil
2018-04-24T11:24:30 < mitrax> what are you working on if i may ask?
2018-04-24T11:25:07 < stvn> An interface for an audio product
2018-04-24T11:25:51 < mitrax> user interface or?
2018-04-24T11:25:56 < stvn> Yah
2018-04-24T11:26:19 < mitrax> cool
2018-04-24T11:26:39 < stvn> What have you been doing?
2018-04-24T11:27:15 < mitrax> touchscreen stuff
2018-04-24T11:28:25 < stvn> Yeah this probably will have that too
2018-04-24T11:29:19 < stvn> It more of a do this and whatever see how the BOM looks given xyz
2018-04-24T11:29:49 < Haohmaru> the BOM always looks unacceptable
2018-04-24T11:29:55 < mitrax> i see
2018-04-24T11:29:56 < stvn> Yeah
2018-04-24T11:29:59 < stvn> Lol
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2018-04-24T11:32:42 < stvn> Just figuring out how2keil again
2018-04-24T11:32:53 < stvn> Etc
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2018-04-24T11:34:39 < stvn> The cube lol
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2018-04-24T12:23:49 < dongs> trolls
2018-04-24T12:26:26 < dongs> stvn status of realizing cube.exe installs a copy of java JVM
2018-04-24T12:27:01 < Haohmaru> and it eats like 300MB when you run it
2018-04-24T12:27:11 < dongs> only 300?
2018-04-24T12:27:16 < dongs> i only run it in a win7 VM
2018-04-24T12:27:18 < Haohmaru> and even more when you press "generate codez"
2018-04-24T12:27:19 < dongs> so i never notice
2018-04-24T12:27:30 < stvn> I did already know it needed life support to run
2018-04-24T12:28:06 < Haohmaru> and when it finishes generating codez - the RAM usage doesn't go back down.. hell no
2018-04-24T12:28:27 < dongs> thats java for you
2018-04-24T12:28:36 < stvn> I’ll get 32gb tomorrow
2018-04-24T12:28:45 < dongs> you gonna need it
2018-04-24T12:28:46 < Haohmaru> i only got 2GB here
2018-04-24T12:28:52 < dongs> if you keil real ahrd
2018-04-24T12:29:15 < Haohmaru> why does "keil" sound like "kneel"
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2018-04-24T12:32:56 < stvn> ?
2018-04-24T12:40:54 < dongs> no it sounds like kill
2018-04-24T12:41:06 < dongs> as in kill all the shitty make:rs
2018-04-24T12:41:22 < zyp> haha
2018-04-24T12:42:22 < psprint> If I declare global static variable holding 600 kB of data, this will go to Flash Memory of course?
2018-04-24T12:42:39 < zyp> only if you declare it const
2018-04-24T12:43:07 < zyp> if it's writable, it necessarily would have to be stored in ram
2018-04-24T12:43:25 < psprint> ah, right
2018-04-24T12:43:44 < zyp> compiler doesn't care about size, it puts globals in .bss, .data or .rodata depending on the nature of the global
2018-04-24T12:44:56 < zyp> zero-initialized stuff goes in .bss, initialized non-const stuff goes in .data, and const stuff goes in .rodata
2018-04-24T12:45:19 < zyp> .bss and .data consumes ram, .data and .rodata consumes flash
2018-04-24T12:45:35 < dongs> this is why reading keil-produced .map files is so useful
2018-04-24T12:45:44 < zyp> is it?
2018-04-24T12:45:49 < dongs> you can tell quickly if shit is fucked up
2018-04-24T12:46:07 < zyp> didn't think keil fucked up
2018-04-24T12:46:16 < dongs> thats the point
2018-04-24T12:46:17 < dongs> keil doesn't
2018-04-24T12:46:21 < dongs> some non-pro keil users do
2018-04-24T12:46:39 < zyp> though keil made you a pro user
2018-04-24T12:46:41 < dongs> like when some idiot forgets a f suffix afer a float literal
2018-04-24T12:46:43 < zyp> thought*
2018-04-24T12:46:50 < dongs> and pulls in 2kbytes of d2f stuff
2018-04-24T12:46:58 < dongs> (which would be like 20kbytes in gcc
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2018-04-24T12:58:28 < Laurenceb___> https://twitter.com/allisonmack/status/691113581228728321
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2018-04-24T13:12:22 < stvn> payload
2018-04-24T13:15:21 < stvn> the doctor's tainted offering
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2018-04-24T14:07:27 < Steffanx> stvn the stvn.
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2018-04-24T14:07:54 < stvn> yo
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2018-04-24T14:12:28 < Steffanx> Welcome!
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2018-04-24T14:28:00 < Laurenceb__> sup trolls
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2018-04-24T14:38:49 < Steffanx> Sky.
2018-04-24T14:39:09 < Haohmaru> no, ceiling
2018-04-24T14:39:28 < Haohmaru> ur a bunch of liars
2018-04-24T14:42:01 < BrainDamage> Well, he did ask to trolls afterall.
2018-04-24T14:42:40 < Laurenceb__> Mr Musk is the biggest troll
2018-04-24T14:42:44 < Laurenceb__> with hyperloop
2018-04-24T14:42:54 < Laurenceb__> and stealing ideaz from #highaltitude
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2018-04-24T15:00:09 < BrainDamage> attnt Laurenceb__ https://i.redd.it/52xng0d6wnt01.png
2018-04-24T15:00:30 < Laurenceb__> wew brilliant
2018-04-24T15:03:03 < Haohmaru> ps/2 ftw
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2018-04-24T15:37:25 < karlp> that's awesome
2018-04-24T15:38:36 < karlp> I don't get the alisonmack one at all, and I think that's ok.
2018-04-24T15:42:00 < zyp> usually it's not worth the time to open links Laurenceb__ posts
2018-04-24T15:42:34 < Laurenceb__> karlp: she is a pedo
2018-04-24T15:42:51 < zyp> Laurenceb__, takes one to know one
2018-04-24T15:43:01 < Laurenceb__> he says
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2018-04-24T16:30:17 < englishman> impossible to push all of ps/2's buttons at once
2018-04-24T16:31:50 < Haohmaru> sure you can, u just need a large a$$ or a small keyboard
2018-04-24T16:32:07  * Haohmaru presses all 3 buttons on his mouse
2018-04-24T16:32:19 < karlp> urrngnnngngkeyrollover
2018-04-24T16:36:48 < aandrew> hm
2018-04-24T16:37:18 < aandrew> any of you have recommendations on small/portable file transfer protocols (xyzmodem or similar) that there's a simple easy windows client to use with it?
2018-04-24T16:37:42 < aandrew> need to transfer fpga images to an stm32 over ethernet, so was thinking of using something like xmodem
2018-04-24T16:38:10 < aandrew> https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/wishlist/zmodem.html
2018-04-24T16:38:11 < aandrew> lol
2018-04-24T16:38:21 < aandrew> "needs many tuits"
2018-04-24T16:39:00 < aandrew> looks like teraterm already supports zmodem
2018-04-24T16:40:35 < zyp> tftp?
2018-04-24T16:41:41 < karlp> tftp?
2018-04-24T16:41:48 < karlp> yeah, that's what I was going to suggest too :)
2018-04-24T16:42:02 < karlp> you're already doing networking, why bring blahmodem back into it?
2018-04-24T16:43:10 < zyp> I considered doing tftp for bootloader on workstuff, but I concluded there were not really any point in shoehorning my needs into it
2018-04-24T16:43:19 < zyp> so I just rolled a custom protocol instead
2018-04-24T16:43:32 < karlp> what extra needs did you have?
2018-04-24T16:43:52 < karlp> depends who you want to have using the host side software I guess.
2018-04-24T16:46:10 < aandrew> no tftp requires them to open a second connection
2018-04-24T16:46:18 < aandrew> because they're already on a telnet session
2018-04-24T16:46:37 < aandrew> I want them to be able to say "rx newhdl.bin" and xmodem pop up alreayd
2018-04-24T16:47:08 < karlp> have fun.
2018-04-24T16:47:13 < karlp> that sounds like a massive pain.
2018-04-24T16:47:27 < karlp> what was the poitn in doing this on ethernet if you don't want to use what networking offers?
2018-04-24T16:47:40 < zyp> haha
2018-04-24T16:48:59 < karlp> or....
2018-04-24T16:49:02 < karlp> if you prefer,
2018-04-24T16:49:08 < karlp> tftp _daemon_ on your laptop.
2018-04-24T16:49:15 < karlp> this is how lots of router upgrades work
2018-04-24T16:49:19 < zyp> yeah
2018-04-24T16:49:25 < karlp> they offer a tftp client, so you can talk to that via telnet/serial
2018-04-24T16:49:26 < zyp> and PXE and stuff
2018-04-24T16:49:32 < karlp> and have it tftp pull it down
2018-04-24T16:49:50 < karlp> it's still a "second program" but *shrugs* your users.
2018-04-24T16:50:07 < aandrew> yeah, trying to make it easy on the poor slob who has to do it
2018-04-24T16:50:23 < aandrew> if he's already got a CLI up for running the board it makes sense to do it in that session
2018-04-24T16:50:42 < karlp> when was the last time you tried using blahmodem inline in a serial session?
2018-04-24T16:50:52 < aandrew> karlp: a while, granted, but it was automatic
2018-04-24T16:50:57 < karlp> it's a _vile_ user experience, or you need to use very particular bits of softare.
2018-04-24T16:51:00 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/IZ5Sa.png <- I ended up making a bootloader util like this
2018-04-24T16:51:10 < aandrew> vile? dude it was seamless in 1995
2018-04-24T16:51:13 < karlp> escape sequences to start and end and make sure they switch into the right modes, and then recovering when it fucks up
2018-04-24T16:51:20 < zyp> run .exe, open .elf, scan for devices, select which devices to flash, hit write
2018-04-24T16:51:21 < karlp> no, you're just used to how vile everything was in the 90s
2018-04-24T16:51:25 < aandrew> hah maybe
2018-04-24T16:51:35 < zyp> fairly idiot proof
2018-04-24T16:51:48 < karlp> oops I forgot to send, and tried typing, no it's looking at my data as a xmodem block, 
2018-04-24T16:51:55 < karlp> how can I abort it and restart? oops, shit, it's all out of sync
2018-04-24T16:52:01 < karlp> crap blah
2018-04-24T16:52:05 < aandrew> maybe a tftp server on the stm32 is better
2018-04-24T16:52:15 < zyp> newest revision of utility also shows version metadata of opened .elf file
2018-04-24T16:52:20 < aandrew> because you can tftp updates for stm32 as well as fpga, and also config files/scripts
2018-04-24T16:52:27 < karlp> or client, they're both easy to have windows software for.
2018-04-24T16:52:33 < aandrew> indeed
2018-04-24T16:53:00 < karlp> you get a lot of shit for free, automatic progress bars and no syncing and automatic filenames and shit.
2018-04-24T16:53:23 < karlp> get real fancy, and just have it be a http get, and put your firmware on the web :)
2018-04-24T16:53:36 < aandrew> nah no http shits
2018-04-24T16:53:59 < englishman> protobuf all the things
2018-04-24T16:54:04 < sync> ^
2018-04-24T16:54:05 < karlp> you're not going to verify and sign your downloads?! wat
2018-04-24T17:03:46 < karlp> aandrew: just saw these and thought of you, (not the same size of coruse) https://www.mouser.com/new/harwin/harwin-sycamore-contacts/#avideo
2018-04-24T17:04:32 < aandrew> interesting
2018-04-24T17:07:48 < Haohmaru> looks nifty
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2018-04-24T17:09:50 < karlp> I think millmax has similar stuff, 
2018-04-24T17:09:56 < karlp> but these look more durable and a bit simpler
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2018-04-24T17:44:42 < Laurenceb__> anyone here used libusb for isochronous?
2018-04-24T17:44:59 < Laurenceb__> I'm confused by libusb_alloc_transfer 	( 	int  	iso_packets	) 	
2018-04-24T17:45:07 < Laurenceb__> dunno how to calculate the number
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2018-04-24T17:54:29 < Laurenceb__> oh it can be "anything"
2018-04-24T17:54:37 < Laurenceb__> depending on how much buffering you want
2018-04-24T17:54:52 < aandrew> yeah milmax has a lot of very nice connectors
2018-04-24T17:54:54 < aandrew> pricey
2018-04-24T17:55:02 < aandrew> PEM does some interesting things too, particularly if you need fastening
2018-04-24T17:55:14 < aandrew> we used right-angle PEM nuts for grounding
2018-04-24T17:55:48 < Laurenceb__> I hate pc programming
2018-04-24T17:59:52 < Laurenceb__> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbgGjANV4AEgciS.jpg
2018-04-24T18:06:40 < dongs> pump it up
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2018-04-24T18:13:05 < dongs> nice ragequit there
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2018-04-24T19:16:40 < Steffanx> I thought about stvn this morning
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2018-04-24T19:17:10 < Steffanx> Was a song with the text "Up pump it up" on the radio
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2018-04-24T19:19:46 < dongs> why your feet are so big
2018-04-24T19:22:54 < Steffanx> Is 8/8.5 (us shoe size standard) big?
2018-04-24T19:23:02 < Steffanx> 43 EU standard.
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2018-04-24T19:23:36 < Steffanx> I mean 8/8.5 UK/AUS standard
2018-04-24T19:23:45 < Steffanx> 10.5 US.
2018-04-24T19:25:07 < Laurenceb__> perman00b question
2018-04-24T19:25:17 < Laurenceb__> I have a pointer to a member of a struct in c
2018-04-24T19:25:25 < karlp> paris points are weird as fuck, but at least they're consistent.
2018-04-24T19:25:27 < Laurenceb__> how do I generate a pointer to the struct?
2018-04-24T19:25:38 < karlp> us and au and uk mens womens crazy sizes are just useless
2018-04-24T19:25:59 < karlp> Laurenceb__: you donðt... generally, but container_of and friends will help you :)
2018-04-24T19:26:08 < Steffanx> Using the member pointer Laurenceb__ ?
2018-04-24T19:26:31 < Laurenceb__> ah container_of looks helpful, thanks
2018-04-24T19:27:28 < Steffanx> Question is. Why you have a member point and not the struct ptr?
2018-04-24T19:27:33 < Laurenceb__> https://archive.is/LZBk2
2018-04-24T19:28:07 < karlp> notfunny.png
2018-04-24T19:28:08 < Steffanx> Pointer*
2018-04-24T19:28:53 < Laurenceb__> Steffanx: libusb callbacks
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2018-04-24T19:49:35 < ffffffffffffffff> why are there two different standard for toslink optical jack speed
2018-04-24T19:51:31 < karlp> to make the sort of people who even think toslink was a good idea spend more?
2018-04-24T19:52:26 < ffffffffffffffff> toslink needs to die
2018-04-24T19:53:44 < Steffanx> Same with this coaxial stuff?
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2018-04-24T20:28:55 < kakimir> anyone have build their own CV load?
2018-04-24T20:29:00 < kakimir> in here
2018-04-24T20:29:21 < invzim> maynuo ftw
2018-04-24T20:29:38 < invzim> picked up the Maynuo M9712 and very happy with it
2018-04-24T20:36:14 < Laurenceb__> https://twitter.com/ashtonbirdie?lang=en
2018-04-24T20:36:19 < Laurenceb__> the absolute state
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2018-04-24T20:56:38 < kakimir> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/used-bk-8500-vs-new-maynuo-m9712/
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2018-04-24T21:31:16 < con3> I cant seem to find this, is there a fifo bit that gets set when the fifo hits an error so you can see what has triggered it?
2018-04-24T21:53:29 < Steffanx> "the fifo"?
2018-04-24T22:03:09 < Steffanx> mr con3
2018-04-24T22:04:07 < con3> uhm doing a dma transfer, looking in the registers for any bits that are set when ssomething like a fif overrun error occurs
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2018-04-24T22:04:16 < con3> I just get the fifo enable error bits
2018-04-24T22:05:37 < englishman> altidumb 18.1.5 out
2018-04-24T22:06:26 < zyp> con3, you're not being very good at explaining your problem
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2018-04-24T22:08:08 < con3> im sorry, hurt my right shoulder , so typing left handed. I'm getting a callback for a dma transfer error, hdma_tim1_ch1.XferErrorCallback = TransferError ; I though there would be some bits set in the DMA registers that would give me a better idea of whats causing this error?
2018-04-24T22:08:43 < zyp> which chip is this?
2018-04-24T22:09:24 < con3> stm32f722ze
2018-04-24T22:10:01 < Ultrasauce> its ok typing one handed is a typical constraint for people here
2018-04-24T22:12:25 < zyp> have you read 8.3.19 in the RM on error management?
2018-04-24T22:14:02 < con3> zyp: i went through the sma portion, ill check that out. thank you!
2018-04-24T22:14:05 < con3> dma
2018-04-24T22:14:27 < zyp> if you're getting a fifo error, the reasonable next step seems to check if the stream is automatically disabled or not
2018-04-24T22:14:40 < zyp> since some fifo errors seems to do that while others don't
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2018-04-24T22:27:31 < con3> zyp: dammit, i looked at 8.3.19 a month ago, but missed it when i went through the section 
2018-04-24T22:27:54 < con3> "since some fifo errors seems to do that while others don't" -> tats good to know, thank you!
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2018-04-25T00:13:41 < Steffanx> Stvn.
2018-04-25T00:13:57 < stvn> Stffn.
2018-04-25T00:16:08 < antto> SntaCls.
2018-04-25T00:20:27 < Steffanx> antto: hedde drugs op?
2018-04-25T00:36:37 < aandrew> back to reading about how ot chain these fucking timers
2018-04-25T00:36:37 < Steffanx> antto? 🎅🏿
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2018-04-25T01:48:08 < stvn> antto
2018-04-25T01:49:08 < stvn> HI mate
2018-04-25T01:53:46 < stvn> laurence knows about the ring
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2018-04-25T02:11:02 < bit_mask> if(!fm_inited) { gui_lable("SD card don't inited", 1, 1, 125, 20, 0, 1); }
2018-04-25T02:24:38 < dongs> if someone i work wiht committed code like that, they would be laughed at then fired
2018-04-25T02:25:05 < aandrew> hey man that code is pro
2018-04-25T02:25:07 < dongs> indentation and spacing in that shit is triggering me already
2018-04-25T02:31:20 < englishman> and the chinglish?
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2018-04-25T03:02:42 < stvn> memes
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2018-04-25T03:24:47 < stvn> you're just in time for the show doctor
2018-04-25T03:32:12 < stvn> https://youtu.be/PRvS9HL15lA?t=3s
2018-04-25T03:32:26 < Laurenceb___> lul this Toronto attacker
2018-04-25T03:32:48 < Laurenceb___> >we didn't think he was capable of understanding the concept of a van
2018-04-25T03:33:00 < Laurenceb___> >last time we saw him he seemed to think he was a cat
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2018-04-25T10:27:15 < Rajko> whats the cheapest/smallest stm32 that supports USB OTG
2018-04-25T10:27:25 < Rajko> or can all of them with a USB controller work in OTG mode
2018-04-25T10:33:14 < effractur> it seems that STM32F105 is the smallest that has otg support
2018-04-25T10:34:45 < effractur> and the STM32F2 the first to have HS support
2018-04-25T10:35:49 < Rajko> still via transciever, right ?
2018-04-25T10:37:24 < effractur> ?
2018-04-25T10:37:40 < Rajko> the HS stuff
2018-04-25T10:37:42 < Rajko> making it useless
2018-04-25T10:38:49 < effractur> y for HS you need a external transciever
2018-04-25T10:39:31 < Rajko> so yes ?
2018-04-25T10:39:35 < effractur> yes
2018-04-25T10:39:59 < effractur> only full speed has a internal phy
2018-04-25T10:44:44 < Rajko> are there any that have one OTG and one Device USB
2018-04-25T11:18:10 < Steffanx> Cube has a nice selector for this Rajko 
2018-04-25T11:18:29 < Steffanx> Itll filter (semi-)nicely
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2018-04-25T11:20:25 < Rajko> dont have cube installed lol
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2018-04-25T11:27:42 < psprint_> Have anyone successfully used LWIP_DEBUG == 1 ? Lwip seems to quickly hang when this is enabled. I have synchronized (tried also unsynchronized) printf function, can see 2-3 messages before hang
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2018-04-25T11:52:08 < jadew> looks like in the US you can patent just about anything
2018-04-25T11:52:53 < jadew> found a patent on a way of mounting an inductor
2018-04-25T11:53:28 < jadew> which would come to you naturally if you had to use it in that configuration
2018-04-25T11:53:43 < jadew> those patents have no value in the EU, do they?
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2018-04-25T11:58:36 < qyx> Rajko: use the tables on st.com then
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2018-04-25T12:05:55 < psprint_> Can eclipse project (i.e. SW4STM32) be build from command line?
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2018-04-25T12:41:58 < Steffanx> I think you can call some eclipse cms tool.
2018-04-25T12:42:07 < Steffanx> Or export the makefile and run make
2018-04-25T12:42:18 < Steffanx> Cms=cmdline
2018-04-25T12:43:04 < Steffanx> Rajko: Everyone should have cube installed. The pinplanner is nice. 
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2018-04-25T12:49:50 < stvn> well
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2018-04-25T13:09:15 < stvn> Steffan did you kill blaxter?
2018-04-25T13:10:44 < psprint_> it's nice to respect Cube's /* USER CODE ... */ blocks, commit project to git, and then on some regeneration (after e.g. adding a timer), one can track what has changed. Calling Cube on 2 months project hehe, that's nice
2018-04-25T13:15:51 < psprint_> makefile is in Debug folder, didn't find export function, and in the end paths to arm-none-eabi-gcc etc. are not set
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2018-04-25T13:21:46 < stvn> yeah
2018-04-25T13:22:10 < stvn> maybe if i don't contract aids by the end of the week i'll enjoy it as well
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2018-04-25T15:35:19 < aandrew> wtf is the difference between HAL_TIM_Base_MspInit() and HAL_TIM_MspPostInit()
2018-04-25T15:35:36 < jpa-> look at the code and see?
2018-04-25T15:35:51 < aandrew> it looks like Base() is run before you fuck with the peripherla and Post after
2018-04-25T15:35:58 < aandrew> but why split it up like that
2018-04-25T15:36:00 < aandrew> I did look at the code
2018-04-25T15:36:36 < aandrew> Base does CLK_ENBALE() but only for TIM2 it also sets up the output.... for TIM3/4/8 it puts the pin init in Post
2018-04-25T15:37:15 < psprint_> beautiful
2018-04-25T15:37:21 < aandrew> but for other peripherals there is no Base, it puts the CLK enable and pin config in MspInit
2018-04-25T15:40:19 < Laurenceb__> potential imminent violence accent
2018-04-25T15:40:51 < Laurenceb__> http://www.earthlymission.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/12-way-to-divide-britain-infographic.png
2018-04-25T15:42:20 < aandrew> that's the little circle about halfway up in almost every pic
2018-04-25T15:42:48 < aandrew> punches horses, shirtless
2018-04-25T15:42:53 < aandrew> hm okay maybeo nly two pics
2018-04-25T15:45:42 < aandrew> hm, HAL_TIM_Base_Init() seems to be for simple time base, but doesn't go into detail about wtf that actually means
2018-04-25T15:47:01 < aandrew> "time base" is just the counter aspect I suppose
2018-04-25T16:02:25 < aandrew> TIM_Base_Init() calls Base_MspInit() before dicking with the registers
2018-04-25T16:02:43 < aandrew> ah, it looks like this MspPostInit() is not part of the HAL really
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2018-04-25T16:09:24 < Laurenceb__> arg I hate audio shit
2018-04-25T16:09:42 < Laurenceb__> >get 4 channel usb audio device
2018-04-25T16:10:05 < Laurenceb__> >its descriptor is basically two two channel devices
2018-04-25T16:10:30 < Laurenceb__> there has got to be a way to have proper configurable number of channels right?
2018-04-25T16:13:44 < Steffanx> 4chan audio device. The irony.
2018-04-25T16:17:43 < Laurenceb__> about right
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2018-04-25T16:35:57 < Laurenceb__> is an SMC connector smaller than SMA?
2018-04-25T16:39:00 < zyp> look at diagrams?
2018-04-25T16:39:58 < Laurenceb__> but muh irc geniuses
2018-04-25T16:44:07 < dongs> i found the official laurnce/b/ connector http://www.jst-mfg.com/product/detail_e.php?series=599
2018-04-25T16:45:53 < dongs> this is fucking bizzare
2018-04-25T16:45:58 < dongs> i think china figured out im using a vpn
2018-04-25T16:46:17 < dongs> and they're intercepting it, and giving me a different glboal ip (still in china) and it still blocks allt he shit
2018-04-25T16:46:24 < dongs> is that even fucking possible
2018-04-25T16:46:34 < dongs> for L2TP/PPTP/IPSec/whatever
2018-04-25T16:46:36 < englishman> how could china change your vpn ip
2018-04-25T16:46:38 < englishman> oh ipsc
2018-04-25T16:46:45 < englishman> rekt
2018-04-25T16:46:52 < dongs> i have some 183.* shit IP when im on localnet
2018-04-25T16:46:56 < dongs> i connect to my paid vpn
2018-04-25T16:46:58 < dongs> i get 182.* ip
2018-04-25T16:47:00 < dongs> which is still in china
2018-04-25T16:47:10 < dongs> despite connecting to vpn server thats supposed to go to like jp or kr or some other azn nearby thing
2018-04-25T16:47:15 < englishman> if you didnt know already, ipsec is 100% broken for 9+ years
2018-04-25T16:48:24 < Laurenceb__> tor ftw
2018-04-25T16:49:38 < Laurenceb__> arg wut
2018-04-25T16:49:41 < Laurenceb__> https://www.mouser.co.uk/datasheet/2/18/242174-711503.pdf
2018-04-25T16:49:48 < Laurenceb__> smc much smaller than sma?
2018-04-25T16:50:05 < Laurenceb__> I have weird connectors that look like sma but are about 20% smaller
2018-04-25T16:51:03 < dongs> uh so
2018-04-25T16:51:05 < dongs> the fuck to do
2018-04-25T16:51:08 < dongs> wtf
2018-04-25T16:51:23 < Laurenceb__> dongs: install tor
2018-04-25T16:51:29 < dongs> haha fuck off
2018-04-25T16:51:35 < dongs> i dont wanna be on cp list
2018-04-25T16:51:39 < englishman> openvpn
2018-04-25T16:51:46 < dongs> im using windows
2018-04-25T16:51:49 < englishman> yes
2018-04-25T16:51:51 < englishman> install.exe
2018-04-25T16:51:53 < englishman> and done
2018-04-25T16:51:56 < englishman> super e z
2018-04-25T16:51:58 < Laurenceb__> tor works for me
2018-04-25T16:52:02 < dongs> ipsec > *open trash
2018-04-25T16:52:04 < englishman> installs signed windows driver
2018-04-25T16:52:06 < englishman> ok
2018-04-25T16:52:06 < Laurenceb__> I'm surprised 
2018-04-25T16:52:08 < englishman> enjoy your china internet
2018-04-25T16:52:16 < englishman> as you refuse to learn how to internet in 2018
2018-04-25T16:52:18 < Laurenceb__> expected gpsd tier faff
2018-04-25T16:52:42 < Laurenceb__> reee wtf is my connector
2018-04-25T16:52:45 < jadew> http://www.keepyourchildsafe.org/syndicated-content-article-the-medicine-worked-fine-until-his-jaw-came-off.html
2018-04-25T16:53:04 < englishman> your vpn provider (if paid) should let you download a .config to load in vpn
2018-04-25T16:53:14 < englishman> if hosting yourself you click export .config
2018-04-25T16:53:19 < englishman> and put it in openvpn
2018-04-25T16:53:45 < dongs> does this go into windows vpn thing where  i can click on stuff
2018-04-25T16:53:50 < dongs> or do i need to run their shitty client
2018-04-25T16:54:01 < Laurenceb__> >install tor
2018-04-25T16:54:04 < englishman> the windows vpn thing is ip(not)sec
2018-04-25T16:54:05 < Laurenceb__> >it just works
2018-04-25T16:54:30 < englishman> windows-native vpn has not been relevant or secure since windows xp
2018-04-25T16:55:01 < Laurenceb__> ok now I'm just confused
2018-04-25T16:55:08 < Laurenceb__> cant find a mini sma anywhere
2018-04-25T16:55:13 < Laurenceb__> smc seems too small
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2018-04-25T16:56:10 < Laurenceb__> maybe I should chop off the connectors
2018-04-25T16:56:47 < aandrew> jadew: the fact that it worked suggests it wasn't placebo
2018-04-25T16:57:42 < jadew> it was clearly doing something
2018-04-25T16:57:46 < dongs> openvpn gui and openssl
2018-04-25T16:57:46 < dongs> come on
2018-04-25T16:57:51 < aandrew> put some lead back in his pencil too
2018-04-25T16:57:53 < dongs> so it doesnt integrate into windows UI at all?
2018-04-25T16:58:18 < aandrew> how far we've fallen that we demand a windows gui for networking
2018-04-25T16:59:51 < Laurenceb__> >dongs hangs on ric talking shit to ppl like weev
2018-04-25T16:59:56 < Laurenceb__> >is scared of tor
2018-04-25T16:59:58 < Laurenceb__> *irc
2018-04-25T17:02:42 < Laurenceb__> ok tiem to rip the weird plugs off muh wambulance and install sma
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2018-04-25T17:23:34 < dongs> ---------------------------
2018-04-25T17:23:36 < dongs> OpenVPN GUI
2018-04-25T17:23:37 < dongs> ---------------------------
2018-04-25T17:23:37 < dongs> No readable connection profiles (config files) found.
2018-04-25T17:23:37 < dongs> Use the "Import File.." menu or copy your config files to "C:\Users\timecop\OpenVPN\config" or "C:\Program Files\OpenVPN\config".
2018-04-25T17:23:39 < dongs> ---------------------------
2018-04-25T17:23:42 < dongs> OK   
2018-04-25T17:23:44 < dongs> ---------------------------
2018-04-25T17:23:47 < dongs> what is this dumb filth lol
2018-04-25T17:25:25 < aandrew> heh
2018-04-25T17:26:36 < dongs> the fuck does a gui exist for
2018-04-25T17:26:39 < dongs> if it needs some fucking config
2018-04-25T17:26:41 < dongs> what the shit
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2018-04-25T17:27:37 < karlp> you press the button to load the file you got from your provider
2018-04-25T17:27:51 < dongs> why would i do something retarded like that
2018-04-25T17:27:58 < dongs> in windows i just enter IP + username + pass and done
2018-04-25T17:28:05 < karlp> that's why you have a non-vpn.
2018-04-25T17:29:18 < dongs> jesus christ
2018-04-25T17:29:27 < dongs> it opens some fucking cli iwindow
2018-04-25T17:29:32 < dongs> and scrolls miles of shit
2018-04-25T17:29:35 < dongs> uninstalling this fucking gorbage god damn
2018-04-25T17:29:47 < dongs> FUCK OPENSORES; OPENSORES SUX; OPENSORES IS DYING; OPENSORES IS DEAD TO ME; OPENSORES HIT WTC
2018-04-25T17:30:44 < Laurenceb__> tor works
2018-04-25T17:30:49 < Laurenceb__> ^le epin troll
2018-04-25T17:34:34 < dongs> Services
2018-04-25T17:34:34 < dongs> ---------------------------
2018-04-25T17:34:34 < dongs> Windows could not start the OpenVPNService service on Local Computer.
2018-04-25T17:34:34 < dongs> Error 1068: The dependency service or group failed to start.
2018-04-25T17:34:35 < dongs> haha
2018-04-25T17:34:41 < dongs> okay englishman im sorry, but this shit is gone
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2018-04-25T17:35:56 < dongs> and fucking uninstaller didnt delete c:\users\fag\opevpn either
2018-04-25T17:35:57 < dongs> k gone
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2018-04-25T17:48:01 < srk> haha lol
2018-04-25T17:51:52 < englishman> lol so you couldnt place the .config into the /config folder?
2018-04-25T17:52:31 < englishman> https://www.worksonmymachine.pro/
2018-04-25T17:52:47 < englishman> idk man i click on the thing and go to myvpn->connect then shit works
2018-04-25T17:52:52 < englishman> and you know me im dumb as bricks
2018-04-25T17:53:25 < englishman> karlp>	that's why you have a non-vpn.
2018-04-25T17:53:29 < englishman> karlp gets it
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2018-04-25T18:21:09 < aandrew> there we go. unpacking the HAL shit and making more sense of it all
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2018-04-25T18:52:54 < jadew``> https://i.imgur.com/kMS6IqU.png
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2018-04-25T19:17:50 < qyx> lol dongs vs openvpn
2018-04-25T19:18:20 < Steffanx> Clash of the titans?
2018-04-25T19:18:23 < qyx> sup opensourcers
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2018-04-25T19:33:16 < englishman> hmm
2018-04-25T19:33:24 < englishman> why would someone use two NFETs to buffer an output
2018-04-25T19:33:38 < englishman> instead of a cheaper and similar sized IC voltage follower
2018-04-25T19:33:39 < englishman> for digital
2018-04-25T19:33:56 < englishman> now this nfet is EOL with no replacement and im trying to figure out why it was there in the first place
2018-04-25T19:34:02 < karlp> habit?
2018-04-25T19:34:07 < englishman> i hope so
2018-04-25T19:34:41 < englishman> but shit, a dual nfet IC with unique pinout an single mfg, with 4 passives around it, or a single IC logic buffer
2018-04-25T19:34:45 < englishman> it doesnt even voltage shift
2018-04-25T19:47:22 < dongs> just posted a long rant in openvpn-devel
2018-04-25T19:47:27 < dongs> of couseits a dead as fuck channel
2018-04-25T19:47:30 < dongs> so i basically wasted my time
2018-04-25T19:47:39 < dongs> (which i already started wasting when I double clicked their fucking setup.exe
2018-04-25T19:47:53 < dongs> the only faggot who was awake immediately blamed my troubles on "instaling some thurd party commercial vpn pacakge"
2018-04-25T19:48:06 < dongs> because WHO CAN EVEN THINK THAT OPENSORES INSTALLER WOULD NOT WORK OUT OF HTE BOX
2018-04-25T19:48:28 < dongs> cuz it was surely tested beyod some fat nerds basement r unning windws xp sp3 with leet patches
2018-04-25T19:48:39 < dongs> wth like 30 vcruntimes installed 
2018-04-25T19:49:08 < kakimir> opensource isntaller works just like it should
2018-04-25T19:49:33 < kakimir> it creates usr, etc, bin directories in root of your system
2018-04-25T19:50:20 < dongs> lmao.
2018-04-25T19:50:57 < kakimir> minimal portting effort
2018-04-25T19:51:21 < kakimir> it has never been actually tested by any of developers or package builders
2018-04-25T19:52:17 < kakimir> still remember the time when windows build of kicad had some references to lunix directory structure in some stuff
2018-04-25T19:55:00 < kakimir> "why no work?"
2018-04-25T19:55:25 < dongs> haha.
2018-04-25T20:02:30 < dongs> gcc shouldnt hae ever been ported to windows
2018-04-25T20:02:39 < dongs> this started a trend of "lets just recompile some lunix shit and hope it works"
2018-04-25T20:02:46 < dongs> which results in a fucking disaster
2018-04-25T20:04:09 < dongs> er, never
2018-04-25T20:04:13 < dongs> god damn this fucking faggot keyboard FUCK
2018-04-25T20:06:19 < kakimir> without proper plan how to port it
2018-04-25T20:06:29 < kakimir> just best wishes and there you go
2018-04-25T20:06:53 < kakimir> some wild unix paths hardcoded into it
2018-04-25T20:09:00 < dongs> you can't port lunix shit
2018-04-25T20:09:08 < dongs> cuz no thought went into its design
2018-04-25T20:09:14 < dongs> its just shit clustered together wiht other shit
2018-04-25T20:09:19 < dongs> and "everything is a file" concept
2018-04-25T20:09:30 < dongs> and guis for cli tools are a thing"
2018-04-25T20:17:51 < englishman> idk openvpn worked on 1st try and continues to work 24/7
2018-04-25T20:18:38 < qyx> here too
2018-04-25T20:18:45 < qyx> although I had some problems on osx
2018-04-25T20:19:10 < qyx> because of the "drag and drop config files to the application icon"
2018-04-25T20:19:15 < qyx> I was like wtf
2018-04-25T20:19:21 < Laurenceb__> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5656273/Ronnie-Pickering-floored-single-punch-outside-pub-gets-finishes-pint.html
2018-04-25T20:19:23 < Laurenceb__> the memes
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2018-04-25T20:21:39 < Laurenceb__> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273176446575
2018-04-25T20:27:12 < aandrew> why is ITR0 reserved on the general purpose timers?
2018-04-25T20:27:24 < dongs> banned from #openvpn
2018-04-25T20:27:29 < dongs> fucking imbeciles
2018-04-25T20:27:39 < dongs> oensores faggots do OT take criticism
2018-04-25T20:27:41 < aandrew> page 973 of RM0410 (STM32F7) says 0 is ITR0 reserved, same with ITR3. ITR1/2 are fine
2018-04-25T20:27:43 < dongs> er NOT
2018-04-25T20:28:07 < aandrew> er not fine but don't have that word
2018-04-25T20:28:36 < dongs> https://dpaste.de/k3Ej#L1
2018-04-25T20:28:49 < aandrew> table 158 where it says what the ITRs map to does not indicate that TIM1 or TIM4/8 are weird in any way
2018-04-25T20:29:06 < aandrew> dongs: not found
2018-04-25T20:29:15 < aandrew> lrn2pste
2018-04-25T20:29:15 < dongs> really? did the faggot delete it
2018-04-25T20:29:40 < dongs> https://dpaste.de/EpGx
2018-04-25T20:29:44 < dongs> i still had it oen
2018-04-25T20:29:46 < dongs> open
2018-04-25T20:33:17 < Laurenceb__> https://www.africaresource.com/rasta/articles/the-ancient-celts-and-vikings-were-black-people-by-dr-clyde-winters/comment-page-3/
2018-04-25T20:33:18 < aandrew> lol
2018-04-25T20:33:37 < aandrew> now why the fuck isn't TIM3/4/8 being triggered by TIM1
2018-04-25T20:33:42 < Steffanx> You reached your daily crap quota, Laurenceb__
2018-04-25T20:33:51 < dongs> Laurenceb__: yeah thats pretty useless shit right there
2018-04-25T20:33:57 < dongs> aandrew: doesn't sound like they even sould be??
2018-04-25T20:33:59 < dongs> should
2018-04-25T20:34:08 < aandrew> dongs: sure it should be
2018-04-25T20:34:21 < dongs> wiht ITR stuff?
2018-04-25T20:34:24 < aandrew> got TS set to 0 (which for TIM3/4/8,  but let's just look at 3 for now) is ITR0 which is TIM1
2018-04-25T20:34:37 < aandrew> SM is 0x8 which is "reset+trigger"
2018-04-25T20:34:47 < dongs> have y ou tried just using cube??
2018-04-25T20:34:53 < aandrew> this is cube
2018-04-25T20:35:09 < aandrew> TIM1 master mode is set up for TRGO = enable (tried reset too)
2018-04-25T20:36:12 < aandrew> TIM3 is enabled
2018-04-25T20:36:23 < aandrew> (looking at periph memory in debugger to make sure cube set shit right)
2018-04-25T20:36:28 < dongs> TrIGgErEd
2018-04-25T20:36:32 < aandrew> I wish it was
2018-04-25T20:36:42 < aandrew> I need to hire a 3rd wave feminist to code this
2018-04-25T20:36:47 < aandrew> then it'd work without any effort
2018-04-25T20:37:25 < aandrew> let's turn off slave mode and see if they run at all
2018-04-25T20:39:58 < zygron_> aandrew: "slave mode" ? that's offensive!
2018-04-25T20:40:28 < aandrew> heh
2018-04-25T20:40:30 < aandrew> I feed them, relax
2018-04-25T20:40:32 < aandrew> they still won't work
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2018-04-25T20:43:09 < dongs> zygron more like zyclon-b
2018-04-25T20:43:34 < Steffanx> Shouldnt you be asleep dongs?
2018-04-25T20:43:41 < dongs> you are corret
2018-04-25T20:43:44 < dongs> correct, too
2018-04-25T20:43:49 < Steffanx> i know.
2018-04-25T20:44:09 < Steffanx> but yeah. i understand raging about openvpn is more imprtant 
2018-04-25T20:45:15 < englishman> username/pass/ip for openvpn, heh
2018-04-25T20:45:43 < dongs> why would it need anything other than that?
2018-04-25T20:45:58 < englishman> idk how to even use openvpn without certs
2018-04-25T20:46:10 < englishman> maybe there is some obscure and deprecated user/pass mode
2018-04-25T20:46:27 < englishman> the .config file contains all this shit, dont need to enter anything
2018-04-25T20:46:42 < englishman> just workvpn->connect
2018-04-25T20:46:42 < englishman> or
2018-04-25T20:46:46 < englishman> homevpn->connect
2018-04-25T20:49:59 < mitrax> dongs: what vpn do you connect to? is it a box at home?
2018-04-25T20:56:10 < dongs> no, and it doesnt matter at this point. im leaving in like 5 hours.
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2018-04-25T20:59:01 < Steffanx> dont leave
2018-04-25T21:06:47 < aandrew> wtf
2018-04-25T21:07:17 < aandrew> HAL_TIM_OC_ConfigChannel() does the right thing (sets the enable bit in CCER)
2018-04-25T21:07:23 < mitrax> dongs: if your vpn provider supports the wireguard protocol, next time have a look at tunsafe, it's a windows wireguard client, friend of mine made that
2018-04-25T21:07:47 < aandrew> but if you run it again it clears the fucking bit and doesn't reset it
2018-04-25T21:09:42 < aandrew> oh, I remember this from other code a while back
2018-04-25T21:10:03 < aandrew> HAL_TIM_OC_ConfigChannel() disables the OC (my other code was using PWM which did the same thing)
2018-04-25T21:10:11 < aandrew> you need to then call HAL_TIM_OC_Start() to enable the bit again
2018-04-25T21:10:13 < aandrew> NOW I remember
2018-04-25T21:10:50 < englishman> oh wow LIS3MDL is back in stock with a vengeance
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2018-04-25T21:12:19 < aandrew> now the timer is still not running but at least the OC is correct
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2018-04-25T21:13:05 < aandrew> "The counter is blocked while the auto-reload value is nul"
2018-04-25T21:13:06 < aandrew> why?
2018-04-25T21:13:15 < aandrew> fucking stupidity
2018-04-25T21:15:22 < aandrew> ther we go
2018-04-25T21:15:29 < aandrew> now to reset the OCs automatically when the timer resets
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2018-04-25T21:29:47 < englishman> ordering PIC18F26K22
2018-04-25T21:30:06 < aandrew> eww. why
2018-04-25T21:31:02 < Steffanx> What is this new pic fetish englishman?
2018-04-25T21:31:09 < aandrew> I'm really happy that Jason Isbell continued making music after DBT split
2018-04-25T21:31:19 < aandrew> he's now making music under the 400 unit
2018-04-25T21:31:23 < Steffanx> Who is that mr aandrew?
2018-04-25T21:31:26 < aandrew> or rather "Jason Isbell and the 400 unit"
2018-04-25T21:31:35 < aandrew> alt country musician
2018-04-25T21:32:23 < englishman> idk
2018-04-25T21:32:32 < englishman> these fools also used autogenerated qfp footprints for LGA parts
2018-04-25T21:32:37 < englishman> 100% chance of pirated altium here
2018-04-25T21:32:43 < aandrew> heh
2018-04-25T21:34:32 < Steffanx> What's wrong with autogenerated footprint mr englishman?
2018-04-25T21:35:15 < aandrew> nothing, as long as it's tested
2018-04-25T21:35:37 < Laurenceb__> lul arecord can do everything my gui has been asked to do
2018-04-25T21:35:41 < Laurenceb__> I liek dis
2018-04-25T21:36:56 < qyx> still  no labview?
2018-04-25T21:38:29 < englishman> LGA doesnt flow like QFN, having it float on top of too much solder makes it crack/stress n sheeit
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2018-04-25T21:39:58 < Laurenceb__> qyx: I'm actually considering javascript
2018-04-25T21:42:54 < Steffanx> Your best troll of the day Laurenceb__ :P
2018-04-25T21:44:23 < Laurenceb__> I can make udev name devices according to their serial number
2018-04-25T21:44:43 < Laurenceb__> and arecord can spit out timestamped wav files
2018-04-25T21:44:51 < Laurenceb__> just need a gui wrapper
2018-04-25T21:45:03 < Laurenceb__> and some way to try to recover from disconnected devices
2018-04-25T21:48:33 < aandrew> oh
2018-04-25T21:48:35 < aandrew> I'm an idiot
2018-04-25T21:48:45 < aandrew> output compare will set high
2018-04-25T21:48:50 < aandrew> it won't reset when timer resets
2018-04-25T21:48:56 < aandrew> but you know what does
2018-04-25T21:48:59 < aandrew> fuckng PWM mode
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2018-04-25T22:20:55 < aandrew> yay
2018-04-25T22:21:00 < Laurenceb__> while true; do arecord -r 2000 -t wav -f S16_LE -c 10 --max-file-time 10 -D hw:7843732F,0 --use-strftime  %Y-%m-%d-%H-%M-%S-7843732F‐%v.wav && break; done
2018-04-25T22:21:03 < Laurenceb__> my sides
2018-04-25T22:21:17 < Laurenceb__> gui status: implimented in bash
2018-04-25T22:21:29 < kikes> hmm
2018-04-25T22:22:54 < kikes> ncurses
2018-04-25T22:23:30 < kikes> get professional looks
2018-04-25T22:24:22 < kikes> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yaronn/blessed-contrib/master/docs/images/truload.png
2018-04-25T22:24:32 < kikes> can be used via serial terminal!
2018-04-25T22:28:40 < Steffanx> ok, great.
2018-04-25T22:30:46 < PaulFertser> And in JS, just like Laurenceb__ planned
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2018-04-25T23:22:31 < aandrew> hm, I've got TIM3/4/8 slaved to TIM1, yet when I look at the timer otuputs they start 2us apart from each other
2018-04-25T23:23:46 < zyp> how are they configured?
2018-04-25T23:23:53 < aandrew> identically
2018-04-25T23:24:01 < zyp> that doesn't answer the question
2018-04-25T23:24:14 < aandrew> I know that's not a technical answer, I'm grabbing the config :-)
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2018-04-25T23:25:33 < zyp> also, which chip is this?
2018-04-25T23:26:41 < aandrew> oh for fuck sakes
2018-04-25T23:26:48 < aandrew> pastebin javascript is fucking up
2018-04-25T23:26:51 < aandrew> it's a 767
2018-04-25T23:27:03 < englishman> "this assembly should not cost that much? i've done it by hand, it is not that hard."
2018-04-25T23:27:22 < aandrew> all slave timers are up counters, same prescaler, internal clock
2018-04-25T23:27:28 < zyp> feel free to use paste.jvnv.net
2018-04-25T23:28:35 < aandrew> I know that TIM1/8 are off APB2 and TIM 2/3/4 are off APB1, but even if we just look at TIM3/4 and ignore 8 they shouldn't be delayed at all
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2018-04-25T23:29:18 < aandrew> so using internal clock, identical prescaler, both upcounters, both same period (shouldn't matter) 
2018-04-25T23:29:41 < aandrew> using combined reset+trigger slave config (reset is enough) and both sourced from ITR0
2018-04-25T23:29:52 < aandrew> which is TIM1 TRGO, which is set to RESET as well
2018-04-25T23:30:09 < aandrew> I've got TIM3/4 set for PWM mode, one with a period of 1000 and one with a period of 1500
2018-04-25T23:30:34 < aandrew> they should both go high at the same time and deassert whatever their width is later
2018-04-25T23:32:33 < aandrew> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/9fUHH
2018-04-25T23:33:21 < qyx> aandrew: there is a delay on trgo processing
2018-04-25T23:33:29 < aandrew> yes but that is only from master to slave
2018-04-25T23:33:37 < qyx> there is even a bit somewhere in the config registers to adjust it
2018-04-25T23:33:44 < aandrew> I'm not worried about the TIM1 TRGO event being different from the ITR0 on the slaves
2018-04-25T23:33:50 < aandrew> the slaves are receiving the event at the same time
2018-04-25T23:33:55 < qyx> ah, you see difference between the slave timers?
2018-04-25T23:33:57 < aandrew> I did try that too just ot see if the docs were wrong
2018-04-25T23:33:59 < aandrew> qyx: 
2018-04-25T23:34:01 < aandrew> er
2018-04-25T23:34:26 < aandrew> qyx: yes. I've got TIM3/4/8 all slaved to 1 (ITR0).  TIM3 OC1, TIM4 OC1, TIM8 OC2
2018-04-25T23:34:47 < aandrew> TIM3 OC fires, then 2us later, TIM4 does, then 2us later, TIM8 does
2018-04-25T23:35:01 < qyx> interesting
2018-04-25T23:35:22 < qyx> I was able to sync perfectly when I did some slave magic
2018-04-25T23:35:36 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/a/2s8RjNy
2018-04-25T23:36:56 < qyx> pff memsets
2018-04-25T23:37:36 < aandrew> what's wrong with memsets
2018-04-25T23:37:38 < zyp> oh, I thought slaves were all in sync, just off from master
2018-04-25T23:37:47 < psprint_> Guys with lwip, can you run netconn server in one thread, and send pings using socket-api in second thread?
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2018-04-25T23:39:30 < zyp> psprint, I think so
2018-04-25T23:40:26 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/a/2s8RjNy added the whole pulse capture
2018-04-25T23:40:45 < aandrew> T4 period is 2x T3 period
2018-04-25T23:41:24 < qyx> what do you want to achieve?
2018-04-25T23:41:35 < qyx> to generate 3 signals with common timebase?
2018-04-25T23:41:37 < aandrew> I want that rising edge of the three exactly equal
2018-04-25T23:41:44 < aandrew> starting at exactly the same time rather
2018-04-25T23:41:57 < qyx> I used enable slave mode instead
2018-04-25T23:42:03 < aandrew> it's the same
2018-04-25T23:42:13 < aandrew> reset, enable, reset+enable all the same output
2018-04-25T23:42:13 < qyx> same as reset+trigger?
2018-04-25T23:42:24 < qyx> worksforme
2018-04-25T23:42:35 < aandrew> yeah I'm sure I got something buggered
2018-04-25T23:42:41 < aandrew> wondering if it's local to PWM instead of OC now
2018-04-25T23:43:40 < con3> Anyone know of free software to draw clock and control signals?
2018-04-25T23:43:46 < aandrew> yes
2018-04-25T23:43:49 < aandrew> wtf is the name of that program
2018-04-25T23:43:54 < zyp> yeah, that thing
2018-04-25T23:43:58 < con3> please not timegen
2018-04-25T23:44:04 < con3> XD
2018-04-25T23:44:18 < aandrew> yep that's it
2018-04-25T23:44:20 < aandrew> what's wrong with it
2018-04-25T23:44:38 < con3> the massive watermark and limit of 5 signals.. Was hoping for something similar for a once off
2018-04-25T23:44:39 < zyp> no, not timegen
2018-04-25T23:44:41 < zyp> that other thing
2018-04-25T23:44:56 < aandrew> wavedrom?
2018-04-25T23:44:57 < qyx> the pot thing
2018-04-25T23:44:58 < qyx> or similar
2018-04-25T23:45:00 < aandrew> is that what I was thinking of
2018-04-25T23:45:24 < aandrew> yeah try wavedrom
2018-04-25T23:45:28 < con3> aandrew: Thank you!!
2018-04-25T23:45:30 < zyp> ah, I think wavedrom is what I were thinking of
2018-04-25T23:45:38 < aandrew> yeah me too
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2018-04-25T23:48:39 < aandrew> motherfucker
2018-04-25T23:48:50 < aandrew> there's no fucking slaving going on here
2018-04-25T23:48:57 < zyp> haha
2018-04-25T23:49:05 < aandrew> I flipt he order that I start TIM3/4 and now TIM4 leads TIM3 by 2us
2018-04-25T23:49:11 < aandrew> but why
2018-04-25T23:49:16 < aandrew> they're set up for slave mode
2018-04-25T23:49:42 < aandrew> I bet that the HAL is resetting the slave mode
2018-04-25T23:49:53 < aandrew> just like it disables the fucking output when I change the period
2018-04-25T23:50:02 < zyp> :D
2018-04-25T23:50:28 < zyp> gotta love HAL
2018-04-25T23:50:38 < aandrew> no, no you don't
2018-04-25T23:51:30 < aandrew> let's test this
2018-04-25T23:51:47 < aandrew> nope that wasn't it
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2018-04-25T23:54:23 < stvn> 0.0
2018-04-25T23:54:55 < zyp> grab the debugger and look at the regs while it's running
2018-04-25T23:55:01 < zyp> check both MMS on TIM1 and SMS on the others
2018-04-25T23:55:09 < aandrew> yeah that's what I'm doing
2018-04-25T23:55:39 < zyp> the code setting SMS looks correct as far as I can tell without any HAL experience, so I bet it's MMS not being set properly
2018-04-25T23:58:24 < aandrew> MMS doesn't matter on slaves, and on master for me it's irrelavent because I'm not synchronizing master to slave, just slaves
2018-04-25T23:58:27 < aandrew> but
2018-04-25T23:58:30 < aandrew> let me try it
2018-04-25T23:58:36 < zyp> wat
2018-04-25T23:58:46 < zyp> of course you need to set MMS correctly on the master
2018-04-25T23:58:51 < aandrew> why
2018-04-25T23:59:05 < zyp> because it decides what signal the slaves are getting
2018-04-25T23:59:11 < aandrew> that delays the master's own use of its self-generated event so that it is in line with what the slaves will see
2018-04-25T23:59:25 < aandrew> oh I was talking MSM
2018-04-25T23:59:37 < aandrew> MMS is set to 0 which is TRGO = RESET
2018-04-25T23:59:41 < aandrew> on TIM1
2018-04-25T23:59:45 < aandrew> but let me look at reg to verify again
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2018-04-26T00:00:19 < aandrew> TIM1 base is 40010000
2018-04-26T00:01:06 < stvn> Ty
2018-04-26T00:01:40 < aandrew> TIM2 CR2 is offset 4, 40010004 is 0x00000000
2018-04-26T00:02:01 < aandrew> MMS = 000 = RESET. UG from EGR is used as TRGO
2018-04-26T00:02:16 < zyp> as far as I understand, MMS = RESET means that you actually have to write UG to EGR to trigger it
2018-04-26T00:02:23 < aandrew> you may be right
2018-04-26T00:02:37 < stvn> He’s the oracle
2018-04-26T00:02:41 < zyp> you might want MMS = update instead
2018-04-26T00:03:53 < aandrew> you sir
2018-04-26T00:03:55 < aandrew> are a fucking genius
2018-04-26T00:04:00 < aandrew> that was it
2018-04-26T00:04:18 < aandrew> so TIM3/4/8 were just freerunning
2018-04-26T00:04:24 < aandrew> which explains the delay and why the order mattered
2018-04-26T00:04:31 < zyp> yeah
2018-04-26T00:04:31 < aandrew> thank you zyp 
2018-04-26T00:04:43 < zyp> np
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2018-04-26T01:14:36 < stvn> Hi Laurence
2018-04-26T01:15:21 < zyp> hi stvn
2018-04-26T01:15:47 < stvn> Hi zyp
2018-04-26T01:15:58 < zyp> what's inventing?
2018-04-26T01:16:10 < stvn> The tram ride to work
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2018-04-26T01:56:14 < Laurenceb___> sup
2018-04-26T01:56:22 < Laurenceb___> muh gui
2018-04-26T01:56:39 < Laurenceb___> its gunna be a Qt wrapper for a bash script now
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2018-04-26T02:04:01 < Laurenceb___> wew bbc news doing a feature on toxic masculinity and /r/incel
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2018-04-26T02:30:28 < stvn> My news said Kanye West has lost the plot and tweeting like a mad nigger
2018-04-26T02:42:30 < psprint> just mentioning, looking at LwIP, I think there's room for embedded TCP/IP stack library written with modern C culture (like e.g. libgit2, if anyone have seen its code). LwIP is cool but it seems that this 15 years old project was build in a very incremental fashion and this impacts code. Does someone know LwIP alternative?
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2018-04-26T02:52:16 < Ultrasauce> smoltcp if you're interested in rust
2018-04-26T02:57:14 < psprint> thanks
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2018-04-26T03:03:18 < Laurenceb___> Kanye West is woke
2018-04-26T03:03:31 < Laurenceb___> moar woke than muh gui
2018-04-26T03:05:51 < Laurenceb___> ywlts antiterror quads target incels
2018-04-26T03:06:15 < Laurenceb___> >they abduct the incels and force them to go get groomed
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2018-04-26T03:06:49 < Laurenceb___> >then tie the spiffingly dressed incels to lampposts outside nightclubs in Ibiza as the druk thots come out
2018-04-26T03:07:11 < Laurenceb___> >anti incel Guantanamo 
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2018-04-26T03:08:03 < Laurenceb___> https://www.elle.com/culture/news/amp34512/woman-who-started-incel-movement/
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2018-04-26T03:10:10 < Laurenceb___> >incel was originally radfem
2018-04-26T03:10:16 < Laurenceb___> imagine my shock
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2018-04-26T03:57:05 < aandrew> hm
2018-04-26T04:00:49 < aandrew> can I DMA 70kB or so over SPI? max transfer for a single DMA looks to be 64k *transfers*
2018-04-26T04:03:50 < aandrew> I guess the bigger question is can I send two DMA transfers back-to-back without negating SS# when it's under hardware control
2018-04-26T04:05:37 < englishman> i think that's what the half-transfer interrupts are for no?
2018-04-26T04:05:46 < englishman> hmm
2018-04-26T04:24:05 < aandrew> I think I'm going to wimp out and do software SS# and just simple blocking transfers
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2018-04-26T04:35:18 < jadew> anything you need: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t96OKs_dPVM
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2018-04-26T05:06:11 < stvn> JST PH crimper not costing $600+aud anyone??
2018-04-26T05:08:42 < englishman> email china
2018-04-26T05:08:45 < englishman> get precrimped
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2018-04-26T05:12:17 < aandrew> stvn: get an engineer PA-09 crimper
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2018-04-26T05:20:54 < stvn> Ty sir
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2018-04-26T07:10:41 < psprint> Anyone knows, in Eclipse, if I can somewhere enter path to script to be run on build finished? It's a notification script
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2018-04-26T07:28:47 < psprint> I have a nice script that can display notification under shell's prompt (Zshell): https://asciinema.org/a/156726
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2018-04-26T09:00:24 < stvn> The latest dog
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2018-04-26T10:25:52 < stvn> bangbad
2018-04-26T10:27:55 < Steffanx> Go sleep.
2018-04-26T10:29:55 < Ecco_> Hi:)
2018-04-26T10:30:23 < stvn> Where’s steffan
2018-04-26T10:30:24 < Ecco_> Have you guys ever tried to use the HSE as a clock source for the RTC?
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2018-04-26T10:30:53 < stvn> Not me never needed rtc
2018-04-26T10:37:51 < stvn> The stm cube has improved
2018-04-26T10:41:05 < Ecco> has it?
2018-04-26T10:41:30 < stvn> Maybe
2018-04-26T10:41:53 < stvn> I’m sure I’ll be raging like a spastic in the coming days
2018-04-26T10:58:02 < zyp> Ecco, not sure I tried it in practice, but I at least went over the docs once and I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work
2018-04-26T10:58:33 < zyp> the main point of using LSE for RTC is that it's low power, so it can be powered by vbat while the rest of your system is off
2018-04-26T10:59:34 < zyp> if you don't have vbat and don't need to stop HSE when idle to save power, I guess there's not really any benefit from adding a LSE crystal
2018-04-26T11:00:23 < zyp> as far as I know, the accuracy is comparable between typical LSE crystals and typical HSE crystals
2018-04-26T11:00:34 < zyp> IME they are all on the order of 30ppm or so
2018-04-26T11:00:54 < Ecco> Oh, great :)
2018-04-26T11:01:07 < Ecco> THanks for the insight zyp
2018-04-26T11:01:32 < Ecco> Another, completely unrelated question: what would be the "half-life" of data in unpowered SRAM?
2018-04-26T11:01:58 < Ecco> I.e. how long can an STM32 remain unpowered if you want to keep at least 50% of the data?
2018-04-26T11:02:03 < Ecco> (in SRAM)
2018-04-26T11:02:29 < zyp> pretty sure that would depend on the EMC conditions
2018-04-26T11:02:44 < zyp> I wouldn't rely on any data being retained at all after a power loss
2018-04-26T11:09:07 < Ecco> Yeah, sure, I wouldn't either, that's why I phrased my question this way
2018-04-26T11:09:28 < zyp> why do you need to know?
2018-04-26T11:09:40 < Ecco> It's a sort-of-security issue
2018-04-26T11:09:58 < zyp> if it's about security, assume it's going to be retained forever
2018-04-26T11:10:04 < Ecco> If I power down a device and power it back on right afterwards, what's the likeliness of some data still being there
2018-04-26T11:10:17 < Ecco> yup, you're right
2018-04-26T11:10:38 < zyp> i.e. always assume the worst :)
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2018-04-26T11:11:10 < Ecco> yes, definitely, you're right from a theoretical standpoint. But in practice it's still interesting to know if we're talking "ok this most likely will never happen" vs "wait it might actually happen"
2018-04-26T11:11:45 < zyp> what if you don't power the device off, but just hit nrst?
2018-04-26T11:11:52 < zyp> hitting nrst will retain all data for sure
2018-04-26T11:12:02 < Ecco> yes
2018-04-26T11:12:10 < zyp> it's detectable though, since you can read out the reset reason
2018-04-26T11:12:25 < Ecco> Here's the whole picture
2018-04-26T11:12:50 < zyp> but an adversary can also force a reset by bringing the voltage down below the brown out detector threshold
2018-04-26T11:12:50 < Ecco> device is running. Only accesssible IOs are USB + hardware reset button
2018-04-26T11:13:18 < Ecco> assumption:  we rule out a hacker taking the device apart
2018-04-26T11:13:24 < Ecco> (big assumption of course)
2018-04-26T11:13:27 < zyp> going just belov the treshold would cause a reset, but there's probably a fair margin below that before memory starts losing state
2018-04-26T11:13:37 < Ecco> interesting indeed
2018-04-26T11:15:02 < zyp> if you exclude physical access, it's just a matter of software security
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2018-04-26T11:15:41 < zyp> if you allow third-party code through a bootloader, just have the bootloader wipe all memory before handing over control
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2018-04-26T11:16:41 < Ecco> indeed
2018-04-26T11:16:59 < zyp> I'm not sure what you are doing, but I've looked a bit at how trezor implements security
2018-04-26T11:17:10 < zyp> trezor is a stm32-based bitcoin wallet
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2018-04-26T12:33:06 < karlp> psprint: uIP from the same authors as lwip too. don't forget lwip targets a _lot_ of other processors, many much smaller than your stm32.
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2018-04-26T12:34:32 < psprint> yeah it's fine, the #define spagetti is actually carefully build gold. Until one finds a bug and starts to doubt ;)
2018-04-26T12:34:40 < psprint> built*
2018-04-26T12:35:21 < stvn> So small
2018-04-26T12:35:34 < karlp> yeah, it's also pretty heavily hammered code, you're normally facing either bugs in your understanding of what it wants, or bugs in your implementation of your understanding :)
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2018-04-26T12:35:52 < karlp> iirc, picotcp exists as well, but it's gpl iirc.
2018-04-26T12:35:56 < stvn> I don’t like bug
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2018-04-26T12:41:22 < psprint> I have a situation now, I send 254 ICMP packets with 5 second pause before sending them again, repeating. If I put sys_msleep(1) after each packet send, I can reach e.g. 200000 correctly sent packets and no hang. The same if I enable *_OVERFLOW_CHECK macro to 2, it slows things down, reached 1.1 million, no problems. But when there's no slow down, packets are sent immediatelly one after another, then after
2018-04-26T12:41:24 < psprint> ~14k packets ARP table breaks and the board just asks for gateway HWADDR, sending ARPs every 1 second
2018-04-26T12:42:59 < srk> testing how well it handles arp poisoning? :D
2018-04-26T12:43:01 < qyx> it looks to me as if you didn't allow lwip internal processses to run or what
2018-04-26T12:43:50 < psprint> it's used with rtos, there should be lwip thread, I send pings using socket API
2018-04-26T12:43:59 < psprint> debugging that now, maybe I discover something
2018-04-26T12:44:27 < qyx> yes but if your thread is higher priority and you don't yield, the lwip thread is starved
2018-04-26T12:44:48 < qyx> sleeping your thread allows other threads to run
2018-04-26T12:44:59 < psprint> ahso
2018-04-26T12:46:31 < Laurenceb___> >The Life Aquatic with Peter Madsen
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2018-04-26T12:46:52 < karlp> the life in prison you mean.
2018-04-26T12:46:56 < psprint> I could quite verify this replacing sys_msleep(1) with delay_us(1000), which uses free running timer and doesn't yield
2018-04-26T12:55:27 < qyx> yes
2018-04-26T12:57:11 < Laurenceb___> the absolute state of ST spam emails
2018-04-26T12:57:15 < Laurenceb___> >  am trying to configure my CAN on my OLIMEXINO STM32 board : OLIMEXINO-STM32 - Open Source Hardware Board  
2018-04-26T12:57:23 < Laurenceb___> care status: do not care
2018-04-26T12:58:57 < stvn> welcome back stm32 laurence
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2018-04-26T13:42:57 < kikes> I plan to change red, green 3mm led + mosfets to WS2812B
2018-04-26T13:43:04 < kikes> is it good idea?
2018-04-26T13:43:32 < kikes> if I drive it with 5V mid supply can I use 3v3 for data levels?
2018-04-26T13:45:30 < kikes> and if I want the led to reset in reset condition of mcu I need a mosfet for it?
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2018-04-26T13:47:55 < kikes> 0.7 X supply is for high level
2018-04-26T13:48:31 < kikes> and 3.5V is minimum operating voltage
2018-04-26T13:48:39 < kikes> it's quite gay
2018-04-26T13:49:05 < kikes> eats all savings to be archived
2018-04-26T13:49:10 < kikes> and versatility
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2018-04-26T14:01:02 < Thorn> kikes: I always raise signal level to ~4.5V for 2812
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2018-04-26T14:23:19 < kikes> Thorn, how?
2018-04-26T14:23:37 < kikes> it doesn't make sense to do all that for just one led ic
2018-04-26T14:23:47 < kikes> for a strip it makes sense
2018-04-26T14:24:52 < Thorn> hct/ahct 125/245
2018-04-26T14:24:57 < Thorn> plus a divider
2018-04-26T14:25:51 < Thorn> you can use a mosfet in a common gate config etc.
2018-04-26T14:27:13 < srk> I kind-of works if you supply 5V and 3v3 data but with longer cables it gets glitchy
2018-04-26T14:27:45 < srk> for single led on pcb or short wires I wouldn't even bother
2018-04-26T14:34:13 < Laurenceb__> sup trolls
2018-04-26T14:34:35 < kikes> srk, I won't trust that
2018-04-26T14:34:44 < kikes> I go with 2 color PLCC-4
2018-04-26T14:34:56 < Laurenceb__> muh gui
2018-04-26T14:36:52 < Thorn> how do I individually control multiple high power leds connected in series and powered by a CC driver?
2018-04-26T14:37:00 < Thorn> short them out with mosfets?
2018-04-26T14:37:17 < Thorn> I'll need mosfet drivers with different gate voltages then
2018-04-26T14:37:52 < kikes> I use one red and one green led
2018-04-26T14:38:06 < kikes> 5v in and shorting to ground with nmos
2018-04-26T14:38:14 < kikes> what is hard about it?
2018-04-26T14:45:18 < srk> kikes: ping me if you figure out legit translation without IC
2018-04-26T14:45:52 < srk> would integrate that into esp8266 boards
2018-04-26T14:46:15 < kikes> how dirty you want it?
2018-04-26T14:46:23 < srk> functional :D
2018-04-26T14:47:20 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/3c65c29742/107735.jpg
2018-04-26T14:47:25 < Laurenceb__> I cant even right now
2018-04-26T14:49:05 < kikes> srk, strong pullup with resistor and drive it down with nmos
2018-04-26T14:49:29 < kikes> output is inverted
2018-04-26T14:51:13 < jpa-> you can also do the non-inverting mosfet trick     https://cdn.sparkfun.com/assets/f/3/3/4/4/526842ae757b7f1b128b456f.png    (R3 is not needed for output-only)
2018-04-26T14:51:47 < kikes> level shifter
2018-04-26T14:51:50 < jpa-> it has the benefit of using the pin output to raise voltage to 2.6V very fast, so the pull-up only has to do half of the work
2018-04-26T14:51:59 < kikes> or use one from the shelf
2018-04-26T14:59:25 < Laurenceb__> anyone here written udev rules?
2018-04-26T14:59:28 < Laurenceb__> ATTRS{idVendor}=="0483", ATTRS{idProduct}=="5730", ATTRS{serial}=="[0-F][0-F][0-F][0-F][0-F][0-F][0-F][0-F]", ATTR{id}="$env{ID_SERIAL_SHORT}", TEST=="power/control", ATTR{power/control}="on"
2018-04-26T14:59:30 < Laurenceb__> muh rule
2018-04-26T14:59:54 < Laurenceb__> the $env doesnt seem to work tho
2018-04-26T15:06:28 < srk> push it to the limit
2018-04-26T15:06:34 < srk> no idea how env works
2018-04-26T15:07:06 < karlp> where did "serial" come from?
2018-04-26T15:07:11 < karlp> didn't you want iSerial?
2018-04-26T15:07:21 < srk> for bmp you have to use GOTO, fun https://github.com/hackerspace/udev-rules/blob/master/48-bmp.rules
2018-04-26T15:07:32 < Laurenceb__> ATTR{id}="%E{ID_SERIAL_SHORT}"
2018-04-26T15:07:37 < Laurenceb__> that also fails 
2018-04-26T15:07:39 < Laurenceb__> grrr
2018-04-26T15:07:58 < srk> jpa-: neat
2018-04-26T15:08:00 < Laurenceb__> udevadm info -q all -n /dev/snd/by-id/usb-STMicroelectronics_STM32_Audio_Class_7843732F-00
2018-04-26T15:08:12 < Laurenceb__> E: ID_SERIAL_SHORT=7843732F
2018-04-26T15:10:54 < PaulFertser> That regex is funny on multiple levels
2018-04-26T15:11:15 < karlp> because it's obvious and functional and uses a minimum of advanced syntaxes?
2018-04-26T15:12:14 < Laurenceb__>  " ' ' " also fails
2018-04-26T15:12:48 < Laurenceb__> ATTR{id}="sensor'%E{ID_SERIAL_SHORT}'" fails but ATTR{id}="sensor" works
2018-04-26T15:12:49 < Laurenceb__> wtf
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2018-04-26T15:13:40 < jpa-> it's fun that 0-F actually works the way one would expect, instead of matching e.g. @
2018-04-26T15:13:56 < Laurenceb__> yeah that part works fine...
2018-04-26T15:16:11 < karlp> jpa-: do you reckon they laid out ascii planning it or by chance?
2018-04-26T15:16:29 < karlp> it would have been so easy to have failed it, and had everything go wrong.
2018-04-26T15:16:32 < PaulFertser> echo '133=>:<=' | LC_ALL=C grep -q "[0-F][0-F][0-F][0-F][0-F][0-F][0-F][0-F]" && echo matches
2018-04-26T15:20:17 < jpa-> heh, with LC_ALL=C it matches => etc., with LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 it only matches 0-9 and A-F
2018-04-26T15:23:47 < PaulFertser> sudo cat /proc/$(pgrep udev)/environ | xargs -0 -n1 | grep LANG might give a hint at what actual locale will be used. That depends on system config of course.
2018-04-26T15:24:33 < Laurenceb__> hmm looks like I dont understand local variables in udev
2018-04-26T15:25:05 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: btw, why TEST=="power/control" , what does that mean?
2018-04-26T15:28:25 < Laurenceb__> PaulFertser: I dunno lol that was copypasta
2018-04-26T15:28:36 < Laurenceb__> not sure if it refers to host with power control..
2018-04-26T15:28:42 < Laurenceb__> fixed it -  ATTR{id}="$attr{serial}"
2018-04-26T15:28:46 < Laurenceb__> simples
2018-04-26T15:28:59 < karlp> what's wrong with juse using serial yousefl?
2018-04-26T15:29:01 < Laurenceb__> card 2: 7843732F [STM32 Audio Class]
2018-04-26T15:29:18 < karlp> oh, does audio _require_ id, and not look at serial?
2018-04-26T15:29:23 < Laurenceb__> karlp: now I can access the devices by their serial numbers
2018-04-26T15:29:51 < Laurenceb__> so can use alsa libs in muh gui and just use serial number for everything
2018-04-26T15:29:58 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: but that's an additional clause that will be checked and your rule might not work due to that. "man udev" says TEST tests for the existence of a file.
2018-04-26T15:29:59 < Laurenceb__> and serial is printed on each enclosure
2018-04-26T15:30:06 < karlp> ok, so /dev/serial/by-id/ just works already, you had to explicirtly make id=serial yourself to make it do the right thing for audio devices
2018-04-26T15:30:08 < karlp> that's lame
2018-04-26T15:30:46 < karlp> I don't even have /dev/snd/by-id. only by-path
2018-04-26T15:31:27 < Laurenceb__> hmm I do
2018-04-26T15:31:49 < Laurenceb__> but I'd still have to add some scriptz to match serial to device 
2018-04-26T15:31:55 < Laurenceb__> oh well it works now
2018-04-26T15:32:42 < Ecco> out of curiosity, how much power does an HSE draw?
2018-04-26T15:33:17 < jpa-> Ecco: datasheet will tell the numbers, it will vary heavily between processor families
2018-04-26T15:33:18 < Laurenceb__> its in the datasheet
2018-04-26T15:33:19 < Ecco> (extra question: where would the relevant info be in the datasheet?)
2018-04-26T15:33:23 < Ecco> oh, ok
2018-04-26T15:33:23 < Laurenceb__> ma or two
2018-04-26T15:33:39 < Ecco> But wait, wouldn't that also depend on the crystal being used?
2018-04-26T15:33:55 < jpa-> only its frequency
2018-04-26T15:34:00 < Ecco> oh, ok
2018-04-26T15:34:05 < jpa-> losses in crystal are so small it doesn't really matter
2018-04-26T15:34:07 < PaulFertser> jpa-: hm, I wonder if locale collation is just a partial order (and not a total order)
2018-04-26T15:34:13 < Ecco> jpa-: thanks !
2018-04-26T15:34:19 < jpa-> Electrical characteristics -> Operating conditions   is the place
2018-04-26T15:35:15 < jpa-> (-> Supply current characteristics)
2018-04-26T15:39:09 < Laurenceb__> how does the matching logic work in udev rules?
2018-04-26T15:39:32 < Laurenceb__> e.g. if I have  == , == , == , = a value is assigned based on a match
2018-04-26T15:39:48 < Laurenceb__> but what about == , == , = , == , =
2018-04-26T15:40:18 < Laurenceb__> does the last assignment only get made if all the conditions are met, but first assignment if first two conditions?
2018-04-26T15:41:23 < jpa-> dah dah dit dah dit  that would be QE
2018-04-26T15:49:36 < Laurenceb__> tiem to ask on #udev
2018-04-26T15:50:45 < Laurenceb__> >Britain 2020 >get a knock on the door from the coppers >arrested on suspicion of belonging to the proscribed 'incel' group
2018-04-26T15:50:58 < Laurenceb__> >convicted at trial after your mates testify against you, convincing the jury that you are in fact a virgin
2018-04-26T15:51:07 < Laurenceb__> >sentenced to gf
2018-04-26T15:52:23 < karlp> is this function using ldmia/stmdb instead of branch for function returns? https://zerobin.net/?b695fd2e4088376a#pOBZ6xO32wrw9R+x4TCBvWfGM9ywjRIBmPXeaAUvxUU=
2018-04-26T15:52:37 < englishman> laurent you were banned less than 12 hours ago for the same sperging
2018-04-26T15:53:36 < Laurenceb__> incels is inherently lulzy
2018-04-26T15:55:08 < invzim_> ah, my old friend solder mask expansion vs solder mask sliver 
2018-04-26T16:01:26 < jpa-> karlp: yeah, it is, and it is a very common way to return from function on cortex-m
2018-04-26T16:03:43 < Laurenceb__> https://opensourceforu.com/2012/06/some-nifty-udev-rules-and-examples/
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2018-04-26T16:04:19 < Laurenceb__> last example looks like you can have "submatches"
2018-04-26T16:05:01 < karlp> jpa-: ok, thanks, just hadn't seen it before to my knowledge
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2018-04-26T16:06:42 < jpa-> karlp: i see it all the time; another fun is how gcc uses ldmia to load stuff from structs, so even though usually on cortex-m3+ memory alignment doesn't matter, it does for ldmia
2018-04-26T16:07:11 < jpa-> it seems that ldmia is quite flexible in how the registers to be loaded is specified, but i haven't bothered to study the instruction encoding in detail
2018-04-26T16:09:28 < zyp> I think it's just a bitfield
2018-04-26T16:09:42 < zyp> one bit per register, loaded in order
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2018-04-26T16:19:45 < jpa-> hmm yeah, you are correct, bitfield except that SP is not allowed
2018-04-26T16:21:07 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/v_is_not_u.png  my initial reaction was "duh" :)
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2018-04-26T16:27:47 < psprint> qyx: didn't yet try delay_us() because I went to verify thread priorities. Turns out the ping sending thread was prio 3, i.e. realtime, highest. That said, don't you think that LwIP should error gracefully instead of: a) removing gateway from ARP table, b) ignoring fresh ARP packet with gateway HWADDR (that's how the hang works).
2018-04-26T16:28:10 < psprint> now testing if it will hang with fixed priority == 1
2018-04-26T16:28:35 < karlp> what do you want it to gracefully do?
2018-04-26T16:29:19 < karlp> the choice of process outstanding or drop all and process only latest is an age old debate
2018-04-26T16:29:19 < psprint> drop packets that I sent
2018-04-26T16:29:22 < karlp> there are no good answers
2018-04-26T16:29:30 < karlp> different users want very very different behaviours on that one.
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2018-04-26T16:31:39 < psprint> I just think that if starved TCPIP thread can break ARP table, then I cannot trust that scheduler correctly sharing CPU time between processes will block that table-breaking code path
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2018-04-26T16:34:42 < karlp> starved _networking_ not starved tcpip
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2018-04-26T16:35:22 < karlp> you sound a little petulant honestly. "I want to use 100% of my cpu for things I find interesting, and I fully expect all the background processing to be done in the remaining 0%"
2018-04-26T16:35:41 < karlp> and when it fails, I want it to fail in precisely the way I expected, based on my whims
2018-04-26T16:36:50 < psprint> well ok, it might be like you say, but my point is also possible, that there is a buggy code path masked by scheduler granting CPU time in enough fine grained way
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2018-04-26T16:48:02 < karlp> wat
2018-04-26T16:48:20 < karlp> don't process networking, networking stops working =  bug? wat
2018-04-26T16:54:56 < psprint> it's only starved for like 200 ms, then it has 5 seconds pause (sleep of sending thread)
2018-04-26T16:55:28 < jpa-> psprint: i'm quite surprised you get so far as 14k packets before it breaks.. so i guess you want that it would sleep your high-prio thread automatically when your low-prio thread is getting starved?
2018-04-26T16:56:30 < psprint> no no, LwIP tcpip thread has prio 3 realtime, and my thread has now prio 1 (lowered from 3). 34k packets send and no error, but I'll wait like to 200k
2018-04-26T16:57:32 < jpa-> though that freertos overflow check slowing things down makes it not break sounds also a bit strange and doesn't fit the starved thread theory
2018-04-26T16:57:44 < psprint> yes
2018-04-26T16:58:56 < psprint> it's LwIP overflow check, and it doesn't fit... unless it's about frequency of my 254 ping packets send. It's tight loop and it just spins and sends those packets. With overflow, frequency will be lower, although TCPIP thread will be also slower, but it might work
2018-04-26T16:59:29 < jpa-> lwip overflow check? can you tell the full macro name so that i can find it?
2018-04-26T17:00:08 < jpa-> MEMP_OVERFLOW_CHECK ?
2018-04-26T17:00:10 < psprint> MEMP_OVERFLOW_CHECK
2018-04-26T17:00:13 < psprint> yes
2018-04-26T17:00:14 < jpa-> ok
2018-04-26T17:01:13 < jpa-> maybe you are filling up the ethernet bus so well that arp replies are not getting through?
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2018-04-26T17:02:19 < jpa-> hmm, does your "no pause" test case also have that 5 second sleep after every 254 packets?
2018-04-26T17:02:32 < psprint> yes
2018-04-26T17:04:18 < psprint> I now run this test case (no sleep, tight loop sending pings) with the priority lowered and reached 43k packets
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2018-04-26T17:07:23 < Ecco> On an STM32 using an RTOS, what should an IdleTask do? Just nop's?
2018-04-26T17:08:30 < aandrew> yes
2018-04-26T17:08:43 < aandrew> you can of course do better things for power savings
2018-04-26T17:08:46 < aandrew> but that's the default
2018-04-26T17:08:52 < Ecco> that was my question:)
2018-04-26T17:08:59 < Ecco> What exactly could you do for power saving?
2018-04-26T17:09:23 < aandrew> go to sleep is a good one
2018-04-26T17:09:37 < aandrew> (not being facetious)
2018-04-26T17:09:56 < jpa-> psprint: your ~14k packets is 275 seconds, which exceeds ARP_MAXAGE; the arp entry therefore timeouts, and it tries to send a request to get a new ARP entry; but it only sends request periodically to avoid flooding the network, and it only sends it when you have a packet to send; but whenever you have a packet to send, the input thread is starved so it can never process the new ARP response
2018-04-26T17:10:01 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/3c65c29742/107752.png
2018-04-26T17:10:03 < Laurenceb__> wew
2018-04-26T17:10:50 < psprint> jpa-: nice, will think it through
2018-04-26T17:10:50 < jpa-> psprint: as to why the extra non-yielding delays fix it, it could just change the timing so that the ARP response is still in the buffer when the thread gets unstarved, hard to say without further debugging
2018-04-26T17:11:30 < Ecco> what is sleep mode? wfi?
2018-04-26T17:12:19 < jpa-> psprint: if it is only sending the ARP requests (like i think it should when it is hanging) then i can't really see why the ARP responses wouldn't queue and get processed while your ping thread sleeps
2018-04-26T17:12:43 < karlp> what sort of buffer on rx packets do  you have also?
2018-04-26T17:12:57 < karlp> can't process anything that got taildropped on arrival either
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2018-04-26T17:28:11 < psprint> I analyzed those defines once, there are different kinds, I think they're ok
2018-04-26T17:32:40 < Laurenceb__> 2 Passion 2 Christ: Galilee drift
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2018-04-26T17:37:25 < aandrew> Laurenceb__: lol
2018-04-26T17:37:56 < Thorn> the last cheap batch of stm8 https://i.imgur.com/6XSN0DZ.jpg
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2018-04-26T17:57:10 < psprint> jpa-: made a screenshot for lwip-users ML, here the problem happened after 34k packets (this is rare, 90% is ~13k). It shows nicely how ARP table loses the only element it had, in the same moment. "ARP: 11" is the element, 192.168.3.11, the gateway. https://imgur.com/a/lF7QwB8
2018-04-26T17:59:09 < psprint> I've reached 1.1 mln packets without problems with the overflow check hehe, the randomness is very little
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2018-04-26T18:07:34 < psprint> nah etharp.c has only 1200 lines and calls etharp_free_entry() only 4 times. The only function that has code removing ARP entry. I will add 4 printfs and discover where the gateway vanishes
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2018-04-26T18:52:17 < con3> is there anyway to reset the timers counter on the falling edge instead of rising?
2018-04-26T18:59:46 < englishman> Thorn: LIS3MDL recently came back in stock worldwide and price plummeted, stm8 will likely be the same
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2018-04-26T19:05:04 < con3> weird cause I though taking this:
2018-04-26T19:05:06 < con3> sSlaveConfig.SlaveMode = TIM_SLAVEMODE_RESET;
2018-04-26T19:05:06 < con3>   sSlaveConfig.InputTrigger = TIM_TS_TI1FP1;
2018-04-26T19:05:06 < con3>   sSlaveConfig.TriggerPolarity = TIM_TRIGGERPOLARITY_FALLING;
2018-04-26T19:05:37 < con3> And setting   sSlaveConfig.TriggerPolarity to falling edge would have it reset on the falling edge
2018-04-26T19:14:30 < Thorn> attn englishman and dongs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okPfgKrxanE
2018-04-26T19:15:15 < englishman> ty
2018-04-26T19:15:34 < englishman> Thorn: https://i.imgur.com/xzKqt5Z.jpg?1
2018-04-26T19:23:34 < Thorn> meow
2018-04-26T19:28:17 < Laurenceb__> trump officially visiting uk
2018-04-26T19:28:24 < Laurenceb__> not sure which side of riot to be on
2018-04-26T19:28:46 < Steffanx> The side of the wankers on the internet.
2018-04-26T19:38:19 < mitrax> ouch!
2018-04-26T19:43:06 < aandrew> con3: falling edge of what
2018-04-26T19:43:20 < aandrew> external trigger? you should be able to use the TriggerPolarity like you have
2018-04-26T19:49:56 < karlp> anyone know a trick to get awk or similar to put a timestamp in front of every line?
2018-04-26T19:51:10 < aandrew> not offhand. my awk has always been awkful
2018-04-26T19:51:38 < aandrew> to the extent that'll wade through a huge sed script and use cut to try to achieve what a simple awk script could do
2018-04-26T19:51:39 < karlp> $ orbcat -c 21,'delta: %d\n' | while IFS= read -r line; do echo $line | awk -v dd=$(date +"%T.%3N") '{print dd, $2}'; done | tee -a delta.log
2018-04-26T19:51:41 < karlp> figured it out.
2018-04-26T19:54:42 < karlp> doesn't actually help me though :)
2018-04-26T19:57:10 < vampi-the-frog> trump gon ban them pakis
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2018-04-26T19:59:33 < Laurenceb__> united states of walmart
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2018-04-26T20:20:14 < con3> aandrew: yep, I have a counter set and I want it to trigger on the falling edge of the reset signal. It triggers correctly on the rising edge, but the falling edge setting seems to do nothing
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2018-04-26T20:42:53 < con3> aandrew: seems like its fixed as the rising edge
2018-04-26T20:43:05 < con3> Mode selection in the reference manual says the folowing
2018-04-26T20:43:16 < con3> 0100: Reset Mode - Rising edge of the selected tr
2018-04-26T20:43:16 < con3> igger input (TRGI) reinitializes the counter 
2018-04-26T20:43:16 < con3> and generates an update of the registers.
2018-04-26T20:43:49 < aandrew> hm
2018-04-26T20:43:54 < aandrew> TRGI though can be configured for either edge
2018-04-26T20:44:15 < aandrew> perhaps check the registers when you're running ot make sure it's configured how you thought
2018-04-26T20:44:49 < con3> I'm about to do that, I'm looking for the register that defines TRGI's direction 
2018-04-26T20:46:03 < aandrew> what the bloody fucking fuck
2018-04-26T20:46:29 < con3> what..? :/
2018-04-26T20:48:15 < aandrew> https://pastebin.com/MzWiNvwH
2018-04-26T20:48:31 < aandrew> I've got the actual asserting of SS# and loading of the image and checking for DONE commented out for now
2018-04-26T20:48:54 < aandrew> so fpga_load() just resets the FPGA and sends 0xff with SS# **NOT** asserted
2018-04-26T20:49:01 < aandrew>     HAL_SPI_Transmit(&spi, &b, 1, HAL_MAX_DELAY);
2018-04-26T20:49:05 < aandrew> is sending seven fucking bits
2018-04-26T20:49:06 < aandrew> not 8
2018-04-26T20:49:07 < aandrew> seven
2018-04-26T20:49:19 < aandrew>     spi.Init.DataSize = SPI_DATASIZE_8BIT;
2018-04-26T20:49:22 < aandrew> that fucking says 8
2018-04-26T20:49:33 < aandrew> and the regs match what I expect (word size is 0b111 which is 8 bits)
2018-04-26T20:51:15 < con3> thats very odd. hmm...
2018-04-26T20:52:09 < aandrew> CR1 = 0x030f, CR2 = 0x1700
2018-04-26T20:52:14 < aandrew> this is like newb level shit
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2018-04-26T20:56:32 < con3> is it sending what you're expecting, just a bit shy?
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2018-04-26T20:57:08 < aandrew> CR1 0x030f means not bidi mode, no CRC, full duplex, software SS#, MSB first
2018-04-26T20:57:25 < aandrew> SPI is disabled but enables when Transmit() is called (CR1 changes to 0x034F)
2018-04-26T20:58:32 < aandrew> PCLK/4, peripheral is master, CPOL/CPHA both 1
2018-04-26T21:00:31 < aandrew> CR2 0x1700 is RXNE on 1/4 FIFO (not used for me), DS=0111 which is 8 bits, no interrupts, no SS# pulse, SS disabled, no DMA
2018-04-26T21:00:34 < aandrew> that's exactly fucking right
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2018-04-26T21:01:01 < aandrew> con3: it *appears* ot be skipping a bit
2018-04-26T21:02:55 < Thorn> aandrew: what is redled_image, is it something like uint8_t[]?
2018-04-26T21:03:11 < con3> I don't see anything wrong with the code :/
2018-04-26T21:03:21 < Thorn> in that case line 81 is wrong
2018-04-26T21:03:23 < aandrew> yes
2018-04-26T21:04:00 < aandrew> Thorn: I originally had p = (uint8_t *)redled_image and it was giving me the contents
2018-04-26T21:04:07 < aandrew> const unsigned char redled_image[] = {
2018-04-26T21:04:20 < aandrew> so & was necessary
2018-04-26T21:04:36 < aandrew> but that's not the issue.  I send 1 0xff and I get 7 bits not 8
2018-04-26T21:05:46 < Thorn> &redled_image is uint8_t**
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2018-04-26T21:10:58 < aandrew> p = (uint8_t *)redled_image puts 0x7e99aa7e into p, whihc is the first dword of the data at redledimage
2018-04-26T21:11:16 < aandrew> oh
2018-04-26T21:11:17 < aandrew> I know why
2018-04-26T21:11:21 < aandrew> const unsigned char redled_image[] = {
2018-04-26T21:11:23 < aandrew> er
2018-04-26T21:11:29 < aandrew> extern const unsigned char *redled_image;
2018-04-26T21:11:40 < aandrew> declared one way, instantiated another
2018-04-26T21:13:08 < aandrew> hm, changing CR2 to 0x1800 from 0x1700 makes no difference in the number of bits emitted
2018-04-26T21:15:53 < aandrew> hah
2018-04-26T21:16:15 < aandrew> if I use HAL to set it to 9 bits (instead of manipulating the register directly) I get 8 bits output (bit 8-1, not 8-0)
2018-04-26T21:16:22 < aandrew> so it's the LSB that seems to be getting dropped
2018-04-26T21:16:33 < aandrew> something fucky going on
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2018-04-26T22:19:15 < con3> Hal has completely bombed out for me aswell
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2018-04-26T22:20:55 < Steffanx> Use the LL instead. Which is kinda just a smallish wrapper around the registers
2018-04-26T22:21:03 < Steffanx> a bit more like libopencm3
2018-04-26T22:22:28 < con3> I'll rather shift to that. Thanks Steffanx! HAL seems very infamous for good reason
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2018-04-26T22:26:03 < con3> No I've just seen an enormous amount of errors in the HAL , so really weird things seem to happen. Still a lot of bugs to fix
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2018-04-26T23:39:21 < bit_mask> https://youtu.be/Mu5pzEO1iLs
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2018-04-26T23:57:50 < Steffanx> Such art, bit_mask 
2018-04-26T23:58:02 < Steffanx> When can i live draw something?
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2018-04-26T23:58:21 < bit_mask> hah still finishing up all svg commands
2018-04-26T23:58:29 < bit_mask> thats more important at the moment
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2018-04-27T01:18:04 < jadew> bit_mask, when you looked into the x-y-z movement mechanism, did you find a website with a list of options or anything of the sort?
2018-04-27T01:18:44 < jadew> I want to make something that moves back and forth (much shorter distance tho) and I'd like to see what my options are
2018-04-27T01:19:19 < BrainDamage> are you making a CNC dildo?
2018-04-27T01:19:36 < jadew> you cought me
2018-04-27T01:19:37 < BrainDamage> sorry, CNC fucking machine
2018-04-27T01:19:51 < jadew> why not a blow job machine?
2018-04-27T01:21:00 < BrainDamage> CNC fucking machines include motorized onaholes if that's your thing
2018-04-27T01:21:25 < jadew> you seem to know a lot about the subject
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2018-04-27T01:22:47 < bit_mask> I just modeled mine after the axidraw v3 except for the pen lifting which I kinda just looked at a bunch of other implementations and went from there.  I wasn't sure how the axidraw worked at first but came across this video (they have a ton of different mechanisms so maybe you can find one that fits your needs): https://youtu.be/_nzxGOKhHSY
2018-04-27T01:25:57 < jadew> BrainDamage, I'm thinking about make a coil winding machine
2018-04-27T01:26:01 < jadew> *making
2018-04-27T01:26:36 < jadew> there are lots of options on ebay, but I want to have some fun with motors and mechanical things
2018-04-27T01:27:11 < BrainDamage> jadew: ofc, like every other human in existance that's not sexually repressed, i don't shy away from sexual topics
2018-04-27T01:27:38 < jadew> lol, took you a while to reply to that :P
2018-04-27T01:28:00 < BrainDamage> i was just alt tabbed and you addressing me threw a notif
2018-04-27T01:28:17 < jadew> I've been looking into mechanical sex toys too, don't worry
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2018-04-27T01:28:28 < BrainDamage> coil winding machine is ok-ish to diy, the only annoying part is the tensioner
2018-04-27T01:28:35 < stvn> Pumping
2018-04-27T01:28:49 < bit_mask> no pumping when dongs isnt here
2018-04-27T01:28:56 < BrainDamage> if you want a generic tensioning mechanism that's flexible vs some ad-hoc shit you need to reconfigure for a specific cable
2018-04-27T01:29:05 < jadew> BrainDamage, I saw that on purely mechanical ones, they wind the wire on a wheel a couple of times
2018-04-27T01:29:12 < jadew> and that's how the tension gets built
2018-04-27T01:29:19 < BrainDamage> yes, that's the generic
2018-04-27T01:29:38 < BrainDamage> if you don't give a shit, a simple sponge and a screw to apply pressure works
2018-04-27T01:29:56 < BrainDamage> not pro, but costs 2$ and gets the job done
2018-04-27T01:29:56 < jadew> that's not a bad idea
2018-04-27T01:29:59 < jadew> yeah
2018-04-27T01:30:51 < jadew> I guess the best way of doing it is to have adjustable tension in the wire holder
2018-04-27T01:31:06 < jadew> but I have no idea how to make that happen
2018-04-27T01:32:30 < stvn> What do you wanna wind?
2018-04-27T01:32:40 < jadew> coils :P
2018-04-27T01:33:05 < jadew> I can do them by hand just fine, but I want to have some fun
2018-04-27T01:33:06 < stvn> Oh
2018-04-27T01:33:16 < stvn> I see
2018-04-27T01:34:37 < jadew> bit_mask, I see you avoided the linear bearings in your machine
2018-04-27T01:35:48 < bit_mask> yea, I used mgn12 rails. I guess the carriage on it is fairly similar though
2018-04-27T01:37:48 < bit_mask> the benefit I'm realizing now of the rods is that you need 2 so it helps stability.  when mine is extended on the unsupported axis I have problems if I dont weigh the whole thing down
2018-04-27T01:38:20 < bit_mask> two rods would spread it out giving it a better stance but I like the mgn12 rails
2018-04-27T01:38:37 < jadew> the don't seem expensive either
2018-04-27T01:38:46 < jadew> and you're pulling the whole assembly with a belt?
2018-04-27T01:39:00 < bit_mask> nah, cheap china ones arent bad
2018-04-27T01:39:09 < bit_mask> yea its all from the belt on two steppers
2018-04-27T01:39:35 < bit_mask> I just have 4 idler pulleys inside the carriage where the axes meet
2018-04-27T01:42:50 < jadew> I'm thinking about using a threaded rod
2018-04-27T01:43:18 < jadew> but I don't know what the downsides to that might be
2018-04-27T01:43:48 < jadew> BrainDamage, did you use mechanical or automatic coil winders?
2018-04-27T01:44:46 < bit_mask> I'm not really sure how you are using it but I know for 3d printers lead screws are much preferred over threaded rods
2018-04-27T01:45:57 < stvn> POLICE have seized an “unlicensed python” along with a cash, drugs, weapons and mobile phones from a New South Wales home.
2018-04-27T01:46:20 < BrainDamage> jadew: I've jury rigged a couple in the past
2018-04-27T01:46:58 < BrainDamage> literally slapping a motor on a coil post with a tally counter and I've manually done the feed control
2018-04-27T01:47:45 < BrainDamage> then again, i don't have to wind a coil myself since years
2018-04-27T01:48:36 < stvn> I like how dumb aussies say jerry rigged
2018-04-27T01:49:10 < BrainDamage> you also go to the macca
2018-04-27T01:49:51 < stvn> Police will allege they found and seized 17 mobile phones, a sum of cash, a replica firearm, an extendible baton and a number of substances along with the snake.
2018-04-27T01:50:07 < stvn> That snake must have been up to some serious shit
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2018-04-27T04:04:43 < jadew> alright, bought all the mechanical parts I think I will need, went for a lead screw with a 2mm lead
2018-04-27T04:05:32 < jadew> using a belt would resulted in faster movements and I don't think that would have helped
2018-04-27T04:05:55 < jadew> I'm surprised how cheap everything was
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2018-04-27T05:20:24 < aandrew> https://i.imgur.com/xLEAm54.jpg
2018-04-27T05:20:52 < englishman> nice
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2018-04-27T05:34:07 < aandrew> Lol. “The risk I took was calculated, but man am I bad at math.”
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2018-04-27T07:16:51 < jadew> https://news.artnet.com/art-world/botched-restoration-of-jesus-fresco-miraculously-saves-spanish-town-197057
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2018-04-27T08:08:45 < dongs> dude
2018-04-27T08:08:52 < dongs> that news is older than the internet
2018-04-27T08:08:55 < dongs> like literally
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2018-04-27T08:29:59 < dongs> R2COM what's pumping
2018-04-27T08:49:45 < R0b0t1> dongs what's pumping
2018-04-27T08:49:58 < dongs> just my penis pump
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2018-04-27T09:22:55 < stvn> Pumping
2018-04-27T09:24:21 < Steffanx> R2COM seems pumped out. He no longer speaks.
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2018-04-27T09:28:47 < dongs> too busy driving CY into the ground
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2018-04-27T09:30:09 < stvn> LOL
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2018-04-27T09:56:54 < stvn> Is it because of orcad?
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2018-04-27T10:04:45 < dongs> yes
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2018-04-27T10:27:06 < Steffanx> Time to ship dongs some waffles. For a positive vibe in his life.
2018-04-27T10:29:37 < dongs> my vibe is pretty positive this week
2018-04-27T10:29:41 < dongs> I just got out of china
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2018-04-27T10:34:40 < Steffanx> Met Wu?
2018-04-27T10:34:53 < dongs> thankfully no
2018-04-27T10:34:59 < dongs> or else I'd be stuck in chinese prison
2018-04-27T10:35:21 < dongs> Former Maker from Shenzhen. Driven out of tech by @VICE, abandoned by complicit Western Women in Tech- now I just code.
2018-04-27T10:35:24 < dongs> hahahah
2018-04-27T10:35:40 < dongs> botwu's new twatter tagline
2018-04-27T10:36:15 < dongs> lewl
2018-04-27T10:36:29 < dongs> google translate autodetects botwus chinese name as japanese
2018-04-27T10:36:32 < dongs> and translates as "machine toilet"
2018-04-27T10:36:36 < dongs> FITTING
2018-04-27T10:42:20 < invzim_> man, pcbway is cheap as long as you stay below qty10 and 100x100mm.  Getting  10x4layer, 5x2layer, 10x2layer and a stencil for 109USD shipped
2018-04-27T10:43:28 < dongs> pcbway? more like pcbgay
2018-04-27T10:43:34 < dongs> how does their shit compare to allpcb
2018-04-27T10:44:07 < invzim_> I think allpcb has an edge on quality, just a gut feeling from previous boards - didn't do a proper side by side
2018-04-27T10:44:18 < dongs> yeah i meant price wise
2018-04-27T10:44:26 < dongs> idgaf about quality when it comes from china because i know its awful
2018-04-27T10:44:46 < invzim_> allpcb has their free shipping which turns out a bit more when you combine like above I think
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2018-04-27T11:07:44 < kakimir> what are you optimizing?
2018-04-27T11:07:52 < kakimir> just use pcbway or elecrow
2018-04-27T11:07:57 < kakimir> no worries
2018-04-27T11:08:23 < stvn> I need the one with the substrate that turns conductive in 370 days
2018-04-27T11:12:01 < mitrax> stvn: i like that shed
2018-04-27T11:13:31 < stvn> That’s my shed
2018-04-27T11:15:44 < mitrax> stvn: i know it's your fucking shed!!!
2018-04-27T11:16:31 < mitrax> stvn: have you keiled much this week?
2018-04-27T11:16:49 < stvn> Yeah mun
2018-04-27T11:17:17 < stvn> Keiling is good
2018-04-27T11:17:35 < Steffanx> Stvn want a ban?
2018-04-27T11:17:54 < stvn> I want a shed
2018-04-27T11:18:08 < Steffanx> Pics?
2018-04-27T11:18:32 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lSNVxsEG/greycat.JPG
2018-04-27T11:18:51 < Steffanx> Thats not a shed.
2018-04-27T11:19:06 < mitrax> stvn: nice tortoise, is it yours?
2018-04-27T11:19:17 < stvn> What’s wrong with uncle bob?
2018-04-27T11:19:44 < Steffanx> Who is bob?
2018-04-27T11:19:45 < mitrax> uncle bob bit is foot :/
2018-04-27T11:19:50 < mitrax> off
2018-04-27T11:21:12 < Steffanx> Teapots talking ^
2018-04-27T11:21:28 < stvn> Mitrax knowns uncle bob
2018-04-27T11:22:15 < Steffanx> One has to be a theepot to understand
2018-04-27T11:22:36 < stvn> There is a teapot song
2018-04-27T11:22:42 < mitrax> eh
2018-04-27T11:23:01 < mitrax> what happened to o6? has he gone mute?
2018-04-27T11:23:12 < Steffanx> Yes.
2018-04-27T11:23:18 < stvn> Dongs gassed him
2018-04-27T11:24:42 < mitrax> not that i miss the endless rants, but i'm curious since he's here
2018-04-27T11:25:04 < stvn> I didn’t understand most of what he said
2018-04-27T11:28:40 < kakimir> if there probe head for oscilloscope that has hole in the middle
2018-04-27T11:28:58 < kakimir> so it would hold place when pressed against soldered pin
2018-04-27T11:28:59 < mitrax> kakimir: you pervert
2018-04-27T11:29:10 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-27T11:31:06 < mitrax> kakimir: sounds unlikely, but maybe i'm wrong
2018-04-27T11:32:34 < stvn> I do arm with kyle
2018-04-27T11:33:09 < stvn> In my shed
2018-04-27T11:38:27 < kakimir> sweet
2018-04-27T11:39:49 < invzim> damn labor day, "DHL will rest on 29, th--1st, May."
2018-04-27T11:40:13 < kakimir> sweet
2018-04-27T11:40:38 < Steffanx> Do you program igbts stvn?
2018-04-27T11:42:51 < kakimir> how much margin you leave for MLCC caps voltages in case of 3v3 and 5v rails?
2018-04-27T11:48:05 < Steffanx> Just be sure you pick the right one. Huge mlcc cap shortage.
2018-04-27T11:50:32 < kakimir> seriously?
2018-04-27T11:51:41 < Steffanx> Its been going on for a while now. But our purchase guy complained about it a lot last week
2018-04-27T11:52:04 < Steffanx> And some prices double, trippled or .. just went sky high
2018-04-27T11:55:15 < kakimir> well it's just caps
2018-04-27T11:55:22 < kakimir> how high those could possible go?
2018-04-27T11:55:37 < kakimir> it would be inconvinience to build anything without MLCC
2018-04-27T11:56:03 < Steffanx> Ask stvn. He eats capacitors for breakfast.
2018-04-27T11:56:22 < kakimir> and you didn't answer my question Steffanx 
2018-04-27T11:56:42 < kakimir> how much margin you leave for low voltage rails?
2018-04-27T11:56:45 < kakimir> for caps
2018-04-27T11:56:58 < kakimir> 3v3 is okay with 6v3 caps rite
2018-04-27T11:57:08 < kakimir> but is 5v okay with 6v3 caps
2018-04-27T11:57:15 < kakimir> or go 10V or 16V?
2018-04-27T11:57:39 < kakimir> and does it even affect price that much if package size is reasonable?
2018-04-27T11:57:46 < kakimir> just go with 16VDC all?
2018-04-27T12:19:20 < invzim> kakimir: which size/capacity?
2018-04-27T12:21:13 < stvn> electrolytic have great tone
2018-04-27T12:21:43 < Steffanx> There are more parameters than just voltage kakimir. Temperature, capacitance and what more?
2018-04-27T12:22:07 < Steffanx>  6v3 > 5V is still ~25%. 
2018-04-27T12:22:17 < stvn> i'm sure he knows about what happens with dc bias and the capacitance yeah
2018-04-27T12:22:40 < invzim> https://pastebin.com/XG0P2Hwk
2018-04-27T12:23:21 < invzim> caps I used last, 0805/25V for 1uf and above
2018-04-27T12:23:28 < Steffanx> but stvn is our capacitor, so go lecture kakimir, stvn.
2018-04-27T12:23:52 < stvn> capacitors are shit
2018-04-27T12:25:12 < stvn> this is one stupid thing i was referring to https://www.murata.com/support/faqs/products/capacitor/mlcc/char/0005
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2018-04-27T12:27:39 < Steffanx> and this https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/app-notes/index.mvp/id/5527
2018-04-27T12:31:38 < stvn> test everything
2018-04-27T12:31:59 < stvn> +there's always a reason why
2018-04-27T12:43:34 < Steffanx> where is englishman?
2018-04-27T12:45:33 < BrainDamage> Planning a new terrorist attack.
2018-04-27T12:48:24 < stvn> don't you need a manifesto
2018-04-27T12:49:25 < BrainDamage> Yes, that's developed in the planning stage.
2018-04-27T12:49:34 < stvn> ah
2018-04-27T12:52:22 < Steffanx> dont forget to use «[insert word here]» often.
2018-04-27T12:54:48 < stvn> Nel caso che dal prodotto provengano odori anomali o fumo, spegnerlo
2018-04-27T12:54:49 < stvn> immediatamente e scollegare il cavo d’alimentazione e/o le batterie.
2018-04-27T12:55:07 < mitrax> ahaha
2018-04-27T12:55:49 < Steffanx> Parla inglese, teiera stvn
2018-04-27T12:56:09 < BrainDamage> Nah, the smell is perfectly normal, not anomalous.
2018-04-27T12:56:24 < stvn> lol
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2018-04-27T13:07:30 < karlp> við tölum ekki fokking utlensku hérna sko!
2018-04-27T13:08:12 < Steffanx> fokking :)
2018-04-27T13:18:11 < zyp> "vi tolererer ikke fucking utenlandsk her" or what?
2018-04-27T13:19:48 < zyp> icelandic is almost as unrecognizable as german to me
2018-04-27T13:20:01 < Steffanx> Hedde drugs op?
2018-04-27T13:20:07 < jpa-> mutta onneksi helpompaa kuin suomi
2018-04-27T13:20:18 < Steffanx> but finnishlanders beat it though
2018-04-27T13:20:21 < Steffanx> *beats
2018-04-27T13:20:23 < zyp> tervetuloa
2018-04-27T13:21:10 < Steffanx> Do your i and u and n key wear much jpa-?
2018-04-27T13:21:21 < karlp> whats this I hear about a new series of skam zyp?
2018-04-27T13:21:29 < zyp> the american one?
2018-04-27T13:21:55 < zyp> or the new norwegian series that's not skam but in a similar genre?
2018-04-27T13:23:47 < jpa-> Steffanx: not sure, both of my current keyboards have double-shot molded keys
2018-04-27T13:30:24 < kakimir> what is the deal with transient protection in configuration where there is 2 opposing diodes - 1 or both of them are TVS
2018-04-27T13:30:38 < kakimir> why not just throw TVS accross the rail
2018-04-27T13:31:01 < zyp> do you know how the characteristic of a TVS looks?
2018-04-27T13:31:17 < kakimir> in this case?
2018-04-27T13:31:21 < kakimir> or generally?
2018-04-27T13:31:25 < zyp> generally
2018-04-27T13:31:33 < kakimir> somewhat yes
2018-04-27T13:31:49 < kakimir> tell me
2018-04-27T13:31:56 < zyp> a TVS is like a zener, low drop in the forward direction, high drop in the reverse direction
2018-04-27T13:32:14 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-27T13:32:30 < kakimir> get to the point
2018-04-27T13:32:39 < zyp> so just a single TVS across a signal would clamp it between 0V and +x (plus margins)
2018-04-27T13:32:58 < zyp> two opposed TVSes in series across the signal would clamp it to +/- x
2018-04-27T13:33:25 < zyp> i.e. you want the latter if you have signals that can go negative, the former if your signals are positive only
2018-04-27T13:33:31 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-27T13:33:48 < kakimir> this is in device being connected to car electric system
2018-04-27T13:34:04 < kakimir> so they do not want clamp reverse polarity
2018-04-27T13:34:16 < kakimir> but they want clamp higher negative peaks?
2018-04-27T13:34:19 < zyp> look at page 4 here: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/DUqND/D4B-EVSE-EDM.pdf
2018-04-27T13:34:32 < zyp> CP can go negative, PP can't
2018-04-27T13:34:45 < karlp> stvn: what's thsi substrate turning conductive? is that something that's happened with some shady pcbfab?
2018-04-27T13:35:08 < stvn> just crappy consumer products
2018-04-27T13:35:12 < kakimir> zyp, what do you think if I want clamp all negative voltage?
2018-04-27T13:35:30 < kakimir> and there will be blown fuse or wiring in fire if reversed
2018-04-27T13:35:44 < zyp> just use a unidirectional then
2018-04-27T13:35:54 < kakimir> hmm
2018-04-27T13:36:07 < zyp> the reason both are available is so you can choose which is appropriate
2018-04-27T13:36:55 < karlp> zyp: might have been the news here talking baout the new "similar" one, no idea about american remakes, couldn't care less.
2018-04-27T13:37:08 < kakimir> I wonder if my unidir TVS will survive until fuse blows
2018-04-27T13:37:33 < zyp> karlp, both have been mentioned in the news here recently
2018-04-27T13:38:14 < kakimir> competitor product works only in 12volt automotive systems
2018-04-27T13:38:22 < kakimir> ours works all way to 30volts
2018-04-27T13:38:50 < kakimir> reverse protecting smart switch all way to negative 30volts gets hard
2018-04-27T13:39:21 < kakimir> currents in logic and diagnostic lines exceed
2018-04-27T13:40:18 < kakimir> I wonder if I could use a diode in them to block negative currents
2018-04-27T13:40:40 < zyp> kakimir, yes
2018-04-27T13:40:52 < kakimir> do you know smart switch zyp?
2018-04-27T13:41:10 < zyp> no
2018-04-27T13:41:22 < kakimir> infineon tech help is good
2018-04-27T13:41:36 < zyp> I'd just put a unidirectional TVS after the fuse
2018-04-27T13:41:46 < kakimir> fuse is external
2018-04-27T13:42:06 < kakimir> and needs to be installed by customer
2018-04-27T13:42:20 < zyp> then the TVS will clamp both reversed voltage and overvoltage, and as long as the fuse blows before the TVS, your circuit is secured
2018-04-27T13:43:19 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-27T13:43:51 < zyp> I did this before, TVS and polyfuse
2018-04-27T13:44:11 < zyp> didn't test if it actually works, but I haven't gotten any complaints :p
2018-04-27T13:44:13 < kakimir> I just have voltage rail that transmits 20amperes
2018-04-27T13:44:37 < kakimir> polyfuse doesn't cut it
2018-04-27T13:44:54 < kakimir> I have polyfuse, series resistors and diode to regulator block
2018-04-27T13:45:01 < kakimir> and after diode also TVS
2018-04-27T13:46:06 < kakimir> total resistance from input to output is <10mOhms
2018-04-27T13:46:13 < kakimir> and needs to be
2018-04-27T13:46:18 < kakimir> size is small
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2018-04-27T14:00:54 < kakimir> smart switch reversave needs more engineering conciderations and if load clamps negative voltage it's still shitty situation
2018-04-27T14:00:59 < kakimir> it will burn the switch
2018-04-27T14:01:28 < kakimir> it clamps output via body diode
2018-04-27T14:02:11 < kakimir> in product design you can always add notions to installation manual
2018-04-27T14:03:08 < zyp> if you want reversable supply, just put a rectifier bridge in front of the input
2018-04-27T14:03:24 < kakimir> it doesn't need to be idiot proof
2018-04-27T14:03:37 < kakimir> it would double the price
2018-04-27T14:03:45 < kakimir> not kidding
2018-04-27T14:03:55 < zyp> then don't idiot proof it.
2018-04-27T14:04:23 < kakimir> connecting device reversed to battery or without fuse that is provided in package is certainly a reason to void warranty
2018-04-27T14:04:32 < dongs> so encrypted.google.com is gone
2018-04-27T14:04:41 < kakimir> what is that?
2018-04-27T14:04:42 < dongs> how the fuck am i gonna get my amp-less search results now
2018-04-27T14:04:42 < karlp> what ws it?
2018-04-27T14:04:50 < dongs> it was google search that didnt fucking return amp results
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2018-04-27T14:05:19 < kakimir> amp is some sort of platform / format for mobile shiet
2018-04-27T14:05:22 < kakimir> probs
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2018-04-27T14:05:51 < dongs> i dont give a fuck what it is.
2018-04-27T14:05:54 < dongs> i just want it gone
2018-04-27T14:06:09 < kakimir> html1.0 internets was better
2018-04-27T14:06:15 < dongs> i've got like 5 "privacy policy updates" emails from different services in the last week
2018-04-27T14:06:18 < dongs> the fuck's going on?
2018-04-27T14:06:25 < zyp> GDPR
2018-04-27T14:06:39 < dongs> more EU trash?
2018-04-27T14:06:41 < zyp> yeah
2018-04-27T14:06:50 < zyp> everybody are updating their policies to comply with GDPR
2018-04-27T14:11:55 < BrainDamage> they had 2 years and everyone is doing it at the last moment
2018-04-27T14:12:36 < BrainDamage> EU whois provider is going to shit as well: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/14/whois_icann_gdpr_europe/
2018-04-27T14:13:28 < BrainDamage> ( it broke privacy laws since 10 years, but latest law actually has strong powers, so everyone is shitting their pants )
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2018-04-27T14:23:53 < zyp> uh, wat
2018-04-27T14:27:18 < Steffanx> what's unclear?
2018-04-27T14:27:18 < BrainDamage> wat to my latest comment?
2018-04-27T14:29:47 < Thorn> so I installed altium and there are only 2 libraries: misc components and misc connectors. where do I get more libraries
2018-04-27T14:30:03 < zyp> BrainDamage, can you tl;dr the whois stuff?
2018-04-27T14:30:31 < zyp> Thorn, altium vault or make your own
2018-04-27T14:30:38 < dongs> Thorn: pay for altium or make your own
2018-04-27T14:30:56 < dongs> vault libs suck and i only use them for reference or as starting point for my own component
2018-04-27T14:31:10 < Steffanx> and then there is this page with altium [very old] libs
2018-04-27T14:31:18 < dongs> ah yes
2018-04-27T14:31:23 < Thorn> I hoped for a quick first project :/
2018-04-27T14:31:24 < dongs> the summer 2013 or someshit thing
2018-04-27T14:31:26 < jpa-> you can't really expect to get libs with a $9k software, can you?
2018-04-27T14:31:45 < dongs> thorn, learning how to create components is a great first step
2018-04-27T14:31:45 < zyp> you get the IEC footprint gen, which is nice
2018-04-27T14:32:10 < dongs> and creating is simpler than looking for shit and making sure its the right tthing
2018-04-27T14:32:23 < Thorn> jpa-: well $500 or whatever dicktrace comes from a shit ton of them
2018-04-27T14:32:32 < dongs> i never used dicktrace libs either
2018-04-27T14:32:35 < dongs> i made my own components.
2018-04-27T14:32:37 < dongs> for everything
2018-04-27T14:32:39 < jpa-> Thorn: i was trolling :P
2018-04-27T14:32:52 < Thorn> I know
2018-04-27T14:32:54 < Thorn> speaking of dicktrace, is there a way to somehow convert my libraries that I made over the years to altium
2018-04-27T14:33:07 < dongs> if youre OK with pascal, maybe
2018-04-27T14:33:14 < dongs> but is it worth it? probly not
2018-04-27T14:33:15 < Thorn> s/from/with/
2018-04-27T14:33:44 < Thorn> well they have the advantage of being tested
2018-04-27T14:34:14 < jpa-> being tested, before broken in conversion
2018-04-27T14:34:38 < dongs> again once you know how the parts creator works, its very simple to re-make them
2018-04-27T14:35:00 < Thorn> ok looking at it
2018-04-27T14:35:10 < BrainDamage> zyp: whois publishes incredibly detailed personal details publicly in the domain registration reports ( personal details, not even company's ), and mandates that the info provided to register a domain must be valid or they can unilaterally terminate your contract. To counter this a scammy market was created where people offer to rent their personal information to register a domain in the name of others for the smaller fishes, the EU priv
2018-04-27T14:35:10 < BrainDamage> acy surveillance groups were always pissed at them.
2018-04-27T14:36:20 < BrainDamage> To my (limited) knowledge, ICANN had such absurd rule to comply with US' own rulings on the matter, ancient shit that dates back when internet was a small network and everyone wanted to know their neighbour.
2018-04-27T14:36:37 < zyp> well, sure
2018-04-27T14:36:56 < zyp> .no has pretty stringent checks too
2018-04-27T14:37:16 < Steffanx> but can you easily see the info online?
2018-04-27T14:37:26 < BrainDamage> yes, whois domain
2018-04-27T14:37:26 < Steffanx> with .nl you can only see basic info
2018-04-27T14:37:34 < Steffanx> i meant for .no
2018-04-27T14:38:00 < Steffanx> .nl is only some name and administrative contact emailadress ( afaik )
2018-04-27T14:38:04 < zyp> Steffanx, traditionally only companies could register .no, for which the organization number is part of the whois data
2018-04-27T14:39:32 < zyp> for persional registrations, SSN is required, but since SSN is considered confidential information, they set up a system to generate a new ID tied to your SSN when they opened for personal registrations
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2018-04-27T14:40:53 < big_guy> 4U
2018-04-27T14:41:15 < big_guy> https://i.redditmedia.com/tVqzHwbZFR1a3blwK6kQqmqK_0_gMcKqZsjpxdeSaFw.jpg?w=746&s=37314ed3215d83eb086d9330c98bfabc
2018-04-27T14:41:44 < zyp> so anyway, what's illegal now? listing that information?
2018-04-27T14:42:18 < Steffanx> Yes.
2018-04-27T14:42:23 < zyp> why?
2018-04-27T14:43:13 < Steffanx> idk. only because GDPR says so i guess
2018-04-27T14:43:33 < Steffanx> and if only they didnt have 2 years to comply
2018-04-27T14:44:23 < Steffanx> and now they go whiny whiny because .. they only have like a month left to comply.
2018-04-27T14:45:47 < Steffanx> In dutchland we call it AVG and many companies still have to start as well. Mainly doing some audit if they have to comply and if so.. how to comply.
2018-04-27T14:46:06 < Steffanx> Big money times for people "specialized" in this field.
2018-04-27T14:46:37 < zyp> I just don't see why public ownership records of domains specifically would be outlawed, unless it also outlaws any other kind of public ownership record
2018-04-27T14:46:41 < BrainDamage> Here as well it gave rise to new companies thriving exclusively on consulting for privacy compliance.
2018-04-27T14:46:53 < zyp> and as far as I'm aware, that's not happening
2018-04-27T14:47:22 < BrainDamage> It's the details that make it break compliance, they are not necessary for the operation of the service.
2018-04-27T14:47:52 < zyp> e.g. here in norway, real estate ownership is public knowledge, anybody can easily look up who owns any plot of land
2018-04-27T14:48:09 < Steffanx> but norway != EU ;)
2018-04-27T14:48:10 < BrainDamage> Can you look up their personal phone from that information?
2018-04-27T14:48:26 < BrainDamage> Because in some registrars you can.
2018-04-27T14:48:31 < Steffanx> i bet their personal phone number is even listed.
2018-04-27T14:48:34 < zyp> not directly, no
2018-04-27T14:48:37 < Steffanx> oh, not.
2018-04-27T14:48:55 < zyp> name and birthday is listed though
2018-04-27T14:50:31 < zyp> https://siste.eiendomspriser.no/ <- this service lists the history of any real estate, including what it got sold for
2018-04-27T14:51:07 < Steffanx> and WHY would you want that?
2018-04-27T14:51:14 < zyp> transparency
2018-04-27T14:51:15 < dongs> Norge
2018-04-27T14:51:52 < Steffanx> but imho its none of your business what i bought my house for
2018-04-27T14:53:22 < zyp> why not? maybe I consider buying something in the area and want to check what the general price level is?
2018-04-27T14:54:48 < dongs> you don't really need personal info for this tho?
2018-04-27T14:55:02 < dongs> norg A bought house B for $90000
2018-04-27T14:55:23 < dongs> unless norg A is trying to sell it back to you for 900000$ it should't be important to you right
2018-04-27T14:55:34 < Steffanx> or just give a list of the general house price. Not even just for house B
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2018-04-27T14:56:39 < zyp> we also have a publicly searchable registry of everybody's tax numbers
2018-04-27T14:57:12 < jpa-> here in finland they provide statistics by postal code and apartment type
2018-04-27T14:57:29 < dongs> You may have heard about the new General Data Protection Regulation ("GDPR"), that comes into effect May 25, 2018. To help comply with GDPR consent requirements, we need to confirm that you would like to receive relevant updates and information about products and services from us.
2018-04-27T14:57:34 < dongs> haha
2018-04-27T14:57:37 < dongs> another one!
2018-04-27T14:57:38 < dongs> at least this one specifically mentions gpdr
2018-04-27T14:57:46 < dongs> so if I dont reply thety'll delete my email from their list?
2018-04-27T14:57:57 < zyp> i.e. how much tax I paid last year, and what was the basis for that tax (i.e. income and wealth, etc)
2018-04-27T14:58:01 < Steffanx> Now i wonder what kind of crap you are registered to. i didnt get such mail
2018-04-27T14:58:24 < dongs> Steffanx: this is from lincoln binns, some expensive-ish UK enclosure service
2018-04-27T14:58:27 < jpa-> but yeah, tax info is public here also - though you have to go and look at it at the tax office, not online
2018-04-27T14:58:36 < dongs> i bought some stuff from them before and realized they were just reselling chink shit
2018-04-27T14:58:38 < zyp> which in a basic sense means you could look up how much anybody earned last year
2018-04-27T14:58:50 < Steffanx> tax info is only puiblic for companies here i think
2018-04-27T14:59:15 < Steffanx> actualyl kinda everything is public for companies. Companies have no/little rights when it comes to privacy.
2018-04-27T14:59:45 < Steffanx> Not entirely true, but way less than a "private person".
2018-04-27T15:00:10 < zyp> yeah, companies have a lot more public details
2018-04-27T15:00:48 < zyp> there's a ton of other public registries too
2018-04-27T15:02:04 < zyp> given a car license plate number, I can look up what car it is, when it last passed its biennial inspection and who the owner is
2018-04-27T15:03:19 < BrainDamage> we have the same registry here
2018-04-27T15:04:05 < dongs> for worrying about data protection
2018-04-27T15:04:08 < dongs> eu sure leaks a lot of it
2018-04-27T15:04:13 < Steffanx> i can see that all, except for who owns it.
2018-04-27T15:04:28 < zyp> https://www.vegvesen.no/kjoretoy/kjop+og+salg/kj%C3%B8ret%C3%B8yopplysninger?registreringsnummer=EL90921 <- here's stuff about my car
2018-04-27T15:04:38 < Steffanx> i can request who owns it, but they'll ask the owner if they can give me their personal details
2018-04-27T15:04:48 < dongs> zyp, did you wish your license plate was EL90210
2018-04-27T15:04:52 < Steffanx> if they wont give permission i wont get the info
2018-04-27T15:05:14 < zyp> dongs, what's significant about 90210?
2018-04-27T15:05:34 < dongs> some shitty american tv with over 9000 episodes
2018-04-27T15:05:39 < zyp> oh, heh
2018-04-27T15:05:45 < Steffanx> Beverly Hills crap?
2018-04-27T15:05:47 < dongs> and i think a zipcode in california
2018-04-27T15:05:49 < dongs> yea
2018-04-27T15:05:50 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverly_Hills,_90210
2018-04-27T15:05:56 < BrainDamage> my sisters were fan of that shit
2018-04-27T15:06:06 < BrainDamage> I had so many fights for the TV remote
2018-04-27T15:06:15 < Steffanx> i dont see your name there zyp.
2018-04-27T15:06:36 < zyp> no, ownership information is a SMS service, because they want to know who looks it up
2018-04-27T15:06:44 < Steffanx> Does a license plate belong to a car btw or does it belong to you?
2018-04-27T15:06:48 < zyp> car
2018-04-27T15:07:21 < day> its independent from the car.
2018-04-27T15:07:22 < zyp> except last year they introduced these stupid personalized plates, they follow the owner, not the car
2018-04-27T15:07:37 < zyp> and acts as an alias for the car license plate when mounted to the car
2018-04-27T15:07:48 < dongs> day, depends on location obviously
2018-04-27T15:07:54 < day> :P yeah
2018-04-27T15:08:00 < Steffanx> day is from the usland?
2018-04-27T15:08:15 < day> but when you sell a car, do you sell it WITH the licence plate? like is it impossible to get a new one?
2018-04-27T15:08:25 < dongs> in japan you sell the car with the plate yes
2018-04-27T15:08:26 < day> Steffanx: germany
2018-04-27T15:08:31 < dongs> and your new car will have new plates
2018-04-27T15:08:31 < BrainDamage> here you sell it with the license plate
2018-04-27T15:08:32 < day> urg that sucks
2018-04-27T15:08:40 < zyp> also in norway
2018-04-27T15:08:42 < Steffanx> Why that sucks?
2018-04-27T15:08:42 < dongs> because... part of the license plate# is the type of car (small/van/etc)
2018-04-27T15:08:54 < day> because some people want to customize it
2018-04-27T15:08:57 < dongs> the number after prefecture in the top part
2018-04-27T15:09:13 < zyp> day, customized plates follow the owner
2018-04-27T15:09:23 < dongs> well, im sure its not the only reason but there is physical coding so thats part of it
2018-04-27T15:09:24 < zyp> but, like I said, acts as an alias
2018-04-27T15:09:33 < zyp> car still has original plates too
2018-04-27T15:09:43 < dongs> what, under the custom one?
2018-04-27T15:09:46 < zyp> the other day, I saw a tesla with the plate "RUJELLY"
2018-04-27T15:09:48 < dongs> or you keep them in glovebox
2018-04-27T15:09:50 < zyp> https://www.vegvesen.no/kjoretoy/kjop+og+salg/kj%C3%B8ret%C3%B8yopplysninger?registreringsnummer=RUJELLY
2018-04-27T15:10:01 < zyp> apparently real license plate is EK54123
2018-04-27T15:10:17 < day> zyp: yeah, something like that would pretty much be unsellable if the plates are permanently linked to the car
2018-04-27T15:10:26 < day> ah thats how it works
2018-04-27T15:10:30 < zyp> dunno where they keep them, but customized plates apparently are only valid in norway, so you're supposed to swap them before leaving the country
2018-04-27T15:11:19 < day> didnt know those cars have two licence plates. in germany customization means "HH xx yyyy" pick two xx letters and up to 4 yyyy numbers
2018-04-27T15:11:32 < day> so there are no fancy leetspeak plates
2018-04-27T15:11:36 < zyp> before last year, we didn't have any sort of customization at all
2018-04-27T15:11:57 < zyp> you'd just get whatever number was at the top of the stack at your local registration authority
2018-04-27T15:12:05 < dongs> in jp you can request a 4 digit number
2018-04-27T15:12:07 < day> so most you can do here is "initials + birthyear"
2018-04-27T15:12:17 < zyp> I guess if you asked nicely, they could dig in the stack for you, but they're not supposed to
2018-04-27T15:12:22 < day> but i cant because my initials are banned xD
2018-04-27T15:12:25 < Steffanx> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3li9TlS5YtI/S6-QNqaVA8I/AAAAAAAAAOI/-gn7GhaXu0I/s1600/Hamburg+435.JPG yet you get plates like this, day :D
2018-04-27T15:12:42 < day> fancy
2018-04-27T15:13:14 < dongs> thats great
2018-04-27T15:13:16 < dongs> retweeting
2018-04-27T15:14:55 < zyp> https://www.dinside.no/motor/her-er-de-personlige-skiltene-vegvesenet-ikke-ville-godkjenne/68668164 <- here's a list of personalized shit that got rejected last year
2018-04-27T15:15:34 < Steffanx> 3L0H22A ?!
2018-04-27T15:15:46 < dongs> elohssa, probly norge for something rude
2018-04-27T15:15:54 < dongs> there's various variations of that in the banned list
2018-04-27T15:16:01 < Steffanx> no
2018-04-27T15:16:01 < Steffanx> lol
2018-04-27T15:16:03 < zyp> asshole
2018-04-27T15:16:03 < Steffanx> asshole :D
2018-04-27T15:16:06 < dongs> oh
2018-04-27T15:16:11 < dongs> oh, asshole in mirror
2018-04-27T15:16:11 < BrainDamage> ANALHØL is more clear
2018-04-27T15:16:19 < Steffanx> How did they evne see that?
2018-04-27T15:16:43 < karlp> it's their job
2018-04-27T15:16:44 < dongs> you can get crossed O in a personal plate?
2018-04-27T15:16:46 < dongs> its not just ascii?
2018-04-27T15:16:55 < karlp> it's aletter in norwegian
2018-04-27T15:16:57 < karlp> duh
2018-04-27T15:17:02 < zyp> it's a valid letter
2018-04-27T15:17:37 < karlp> the font they use on number plates here is dumb, Ð looks just like D.
2018-04-27T15:17:44 < dongs> zyp, seems like 'WEEB' should be OK
2018-04-27T15:17:52 < zyp> haha
2018-04-27T15:17:53 < dongs> hurry up and grab it for your e-mobile
2018-04-27T15:17:54 < BrainDamage> I have a friend that as soon as he moved to america he got a vanity plate, he put there 'figaoh' which both an exclamation of disapproval, and a compliment for a pussy
2018-04-27T15:17:55 < Steffanx> BOTWU
2018-04-27T15:18:33 < BrainDamage> I guess the clerks didn't speak italian
2018-04-27T15:18:45 < zyp> it costs like 9000 NOK for one of those, I got better stuff to spend that money on :p
2018-04-27T15:19:00 < dongs> jesus
2018-04-27T15:19:03 < dongs> thats a lot
2018-04-27T15:19:22 < Steffanx> "only" 1K$ or so
2018-04-27T15:19:31 < zyp> yeah, one of the criterias for introducing the system was for it to be self-financing
2018-04-27T15:20:25 < dongs> i think its like 30-40 bucks for custom plate in alaska
2018-04-27T15:21:09 < dongs> https://www.adn.com/alaska-life/2017/08/09/here-are-all-the-personalized-license-plates-the-alaska-dmv-rejected-for-being-offensive/
2018-04-27T15:22:12 < dongs> okay wahts up with that artictle
2018-04-27T15:22:17 < dongs> "here's a list of all paltes"
2018-04-27T15:22:21 < dongs> doesn't contain an actual list
2018-04-27T15:22:29 < zyp> sure it does
2018-04-27T15:22:30 < zyp> https://s3.amazonaws.com/arc-wordpress-client-uploads/adn/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/09090351/2017-Rejected-Alaska-Personalized-License-Plates.pdf
2018-04-27T15:22:48 < dongs> huh where is that link?
2018-04-27T15:22:59 < zyp> link at the bottom
2018-04-27T15:23:18 < dongs> oh 20176/2017 links
2018-04-27T15:23:47 < dongs> haha badptf
2018-04-27T15:23:49 < dongs> err badmtf
2018-04-27T15:24:03 < dongs> thats when you chop your dick off and get infected
2018-04-27T15:24:03 < Steffanx> DONGS or D0NGS or D0NG5 isnt even in the list :o
2018-04-27T15:24:15 < zyp> haha
2018-04-27T15:24:17 < zyp> "TCP IP"
2018-04-27T15:24:26 < Steffanx> hah
2018-04-27T15:24:27 < dongs> hmm why would that get banned
2018-04-27T15:24:28 < zyp> that's pretty obscene
2018-04-27T15:24:30 < BrainDamage> hll ya sounds innocent enough
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2018-04-27T15:25:17 < dongs> H3NTAI < haha
2018-04-27T15:25:34 < zyp> "SLO AF"
2018-04-27T15:25:47 < zyp> whoever is reviewing those must have no humor
2018-04-27T15:26:22 < Steffanx> i guess me neither, because i dont get it
2018-04-27T15:26:45 < BrainDamage> slow as fuck
2018-04-27T15:26:56 < Steffanx> -_-
2018-04-27T15:27:39 < Steffanx> i guess i was raised too well and didnt online game enough
2018-04-27T15:30:46 < dongs> haha
2018-04-27T15:31:43 < dongs> PLSB18 haha
2018-04-27T15:32:03 < day> too old!
2018-04-27T15:32:18 < day> i want the next season ;.;
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2018-04-27T16:44:39 < big_guy> wtf  >95% of those aren't offensive
2018-04-27T16:44:49 < big_guy> 4u
2018-04-27T17:01:53 < dongs> uh
2018-04-27T17:01:59 < dongs> can USART1_CK work as *input*?
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2018-04-27T17:02:13 < dongs> for uh... timing sync uart from remote?
2018-04-27T17:03:03 < Ultrasauce> sounds like an spi slave to me
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2018-04-27T17:04:28 < dongs> In this mode the USART receiver works in a different manner compared to the
2018-04-27T17:04:28 < dongs> asynchronous mode. If RE=1, the data is sampled on CK (rising or falling edge, depending
2018-04-27T17:04:31 < dongs> on CPOL and CPHA), without any oversampling. A setup and a hold time must be respected (which depends on the baud rate: 1/16 bit duration).
2018-04-27T17:05:42 < dongs> wtf, the example in datasheet literally shows them using sync uart to access to a slave SPI device
2018-04-27T17:06:28 < bit_mask> https://i.imgur.com/3u891fk.png the top came out pretty good, looks like a boob
2018-04-27T17:06:49 < dongs> is this your new quadcopter
2018-04-27T17:07:01 < bit_mask> I really wish I added texture to the 'columns' though
2018-04-27T17:07:03 < bit_mask> yup
2018-04-27T17:07:06 < bit_mask> it has been replaced
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2018-04-27T17:34:38 < psprint> nice day, I've received nodemcu v2, proto shield, plastic protoboard and some fine stuff
2018-04-27T17:36:42 < dongs> hurry up and 3dprint yourself an "I'm a make:r" nametag
2018-04-27T17:38:12 < psprint> haha good one
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2018-04-27T17:48:30 < Steffanx> Did you print yourself an egg sculpture yet, dongs?
2018-04-27T17:48:36 < dongs> whats that for
2018-04-27T17:49:14 < Steffanx> something like https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2416454
2018-04-27T17:49:41 < dongs> is that for making dongs
2018-04-27T17:49:55 < Steffanx> idk
2018-04-27T17:50:13 < karlp> bit_mask: I think it's neat as hell having it decorative 
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2018-04-27T17:50:41 < bit_mask> thanks, its been fun having a theme to work with
2018-04-27T17:50:56 < Steffanx> but i want to make a drawing, hurry up a bit bit_mask
2018-04-27T17:51:01 < bit_mask> haha
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2018-04-27T18:02:39 < psprint> for me they're psilocybin mushrooms
2018-04-27T18:09:58 < jadew> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/world/asia/north-korea-south-kim-jong-un.html
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2018-04-27T18:17:41 < dongs> what the shit altifuck
2018-04-27T18:17:52 < dongs> pt, tab, there's nowhere to enter a fucking net name
2018-04-27T18:17:58 < dongs> fucking bullshit sidebar faggotry
2018-04-27T18:18:00 < dongs> fuck you niggers
2018-04-27T18:18:19 < dongs> also, i'm on bottom layer
2018-04-27T18:18:37 < dongs> pt, click to start laying a track not connected to anything (and can't enter net name because altidumb), it goes to top layer!
2018-04-27T18:18:40 < dongs> fucking garbage
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2018-04-27T18:24:05 < emeb> consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds
2018-04-27T18:25:25 < big_guy> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324023769_On_the_Anomalous_Forces_in_Microwave_Cavity-Magnetron_Systems
2018-04-27T18:25:30 < big_guy> wtf
2018-04-27T18:25:53 < dongs> is that some emdrive shit
2018-04-27T18:26:02 < jadew> looks like it
2018-04-27T18:26:10 < dongs> quickly page laurence/b/
2018-04-27T18:27:08 < jadew> I guess this explains why my microwave oven vibrates when I'm using it
2018-04-27T18:27:46 -!- big_guy is now known as Laurenceb__
2018-04-27T18:28:00 < Laurenceb__> FOR YOU
2018-04-27T18:28:04 < BrainDamage> yes it's emdrive shit
2018-04-27T18:28:18 < Laurenceb__> I dont even know what I'm reading
2018-04-27T18:28:25 < Laurenceb__> they lost all remaining marbles
2018-04-27T18:28:28 < dongs> so your new handle is /b/ig_guy?
2018-04-27T18:28:34 < Laurenceb__> it was
2018-04-27T18:28:50 < BrainDamage> that stuff will never pass peer review
2018-04-27T18:29:06 < BrainDamage> at least, not without buying every single member of the commission
2018-04-27T18:29:12 < Laurenceb__> one hopes
2018-04-27T18:29:20 < Laurenceb__> but emdrive shit has been published :(
2018-04-27T18:29:26 < Laurenceb__> unlike half my publications
2018-04-27T18:29:41 < BrainDamage> well, that particular paper is more insane than the others
2018-04-27T18:31:05 < jadew> they should start powering them from free energy devices, for extra thrust
2018-04-27T18:36:17 < Laurenceb__> https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/06/solar-powered-emdrive-version-of-space-battleship-yamato.html
2018-04-27T18:43:20 < Thorn> altium can't generate footprints for standard chip resistor etc. sizes such as 0603, 0805 and so on?
2018-04-27T18:45:06 < dongs> 'chip' components in the IPC footprint maker
2018-04-27T18:45:28 < Thorn> yeah but you have to specify dimensions manually
2018-04-27T18:45:39 < dongs> as opposed to....
2018-04-27T18:46:16 < Thorn> choosing component size and IPC density from lists?
2018-04-27T18:57:22 < jadew> https://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2017/jun/07/boxed-life-inside-hong-kong-coffin-cubicles-cage-homes-in-pictures
2018-04-27T18:57:43 < dongs> yeah
2018-04-27T18:57:47 < dongs> i almost got into airbnb like that
2018-04-27T18:57:53 < dongs> my room was only a little bit bigger
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2018-04-27T18:58:33 < jadew> https://www.google.ro/search?safe=off&q=hong+kong+cage+homes&tbm=isch
2018-04-27T18:58:35 < Laurenceb__> wew anon-ib is no more
2018-04-27T18:58:59 < Laurenceb__> tfw the least weird chan was shut down 
2018-04-27T18:59:33 < jadew> I think those cage homes are not that common tho
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2018-04-27T18:59:47 < jadew> they probably repurposed some cages that were already there
2018-04-27T19:00:01 < jadew> maybe someone was raising birds there?
2018-04-27T19:02:40 < jadew> do those people earn so little they can't afford a house or is there no more real estate development in HK?
2018-04-27T19:03:07 < jadew> for the record, I know people that live in similar conditions, if not worse, in here
2018-04-27T19:08:44 < karlp> man, vertical-align: middle is gross. work damnyou
2018-04-27T19:08:46 < karlp> stupid css.
2018-04-27T19:09:01 < jadew> karlp, that only works on table cells
2018-04-27T19:09:19 < jadew> otherwise, it controls the alignment within the line
2018-04-27T19:09:21 < karlp> what's the one for just <img/><span>sometext</span>
2018-04-27T19:09:24 < emeb> Anyone here with deep USB knowledge who'd like to earn some Euros on a little consulting gig for a pal of mine?
2018-04-27T19:09:38 < karlp> I just want sometext to be vert align middle of the img
2018-04-27T19:09:49 < jadew> try to align the image
2018-04-27T19:09:58 < dongs> sounds like zyp
2018-04-27T19:10:11 < emeb> zyp was the 1st to leap to mind
2018-04-27T19:10:33 < karlp> jadew: thanks! worked first go
2018-04-27T19:10:40 < jadew> karlp, np
2018-04-27T19:10:41 < emeb> Ping me if interested - I've got some .PDF files w/ more infos
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2018-04-27T19:15:27 < Steffanx> too bad zyp doesnt do euros :P
2018-04-27T19:21:43 < Steffanx>  
2018-04-27T19:22:02 < emeb> ikr - and you can't convert one kind of funny munny to another.
2018-04-27T19:22:26 < Steffanx> isnt that why bitcoin was invented?
2018-04-27T19:22:31 < emeb> exactly
2018-04-27T19:35:36 < zyp> emeb, what sort of work?
2018-04-27T19:36:40 < emeb> zyp: A small startup with a USB-based product in the works is looking for some advice on low-level USB details.
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2018-04-27T19:37:28 < emeb> zyp: probably involves a few days to few weeks of looking at their stuff, imparting wisdom, etc.
2018-04-27T19:37:46 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1469044562/septaer/ guess what's being used for screens here
2018-04-27T19:37:47 < emeb> zyp: Atmel-based MCU
2018-04-27T19:37:58 < dongs> ^  this is where zyp says no
2018-04-27T19:38:02 < emeb> (ARM, not AVR)
2018-04-27T19:38:26 < dongs> did they choose atmel cuz its in retarduino nano zero
2018-04-27T19:38:45 < emeb> no idea what their process was
2018-04-27T19:40:30 < Steffanx> Next week i'll have the honour to work with the happy gekko from silabs \o/
2018-04-27T19:41:21 < Steffanx> not sure how it compares to atmel cortex-mwhatever
2018-04-27T19:41:26 < Steffanx> *microchip
2018-04-27T19:41:44 < zyp> emeb, if you have some pdfs on it, you can email it to zyp@jvnv.net
2018-04-27T19:43:41 < emeb> zyp: done!
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2018-04-27T19:49:14 < karlp> Steffanx: docs look nice at least,
2018-04-27T19:49:34 < karlp> I've got a hg starter kit, have some basic stuff in locm3 for it, but never used it for realz
2018-04-27T19:49:56 < karlp> the newest same4l or whatsit looks good too, at least untilaandrew ran itno all the errata
2018-04-27T19:50:06 < Steffanx> hah. ok
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2018-04-27T19:50:52 < karlp> dongs: what's the answer? ipad mini screens and your adapters or something?
2018-04-27T19:50:58 < dongs> karlp: yeha
2018-04-27T19:51:06 < Steffanx> My application will be so basic that it probably doesnt even matter what mcu is used. Except for the need of usb.
2018-04-27T19:51:10 < dongs> and some fucking minipc and amd 6port displayport card
2018-04-27T19:51:13 < dongs> and shit's priced retardedly low
2018-04-27T19:51:23 < dongs> and the dude has no fucking clue what hes doing
2018-04-27T19:51:37 < dongs> i hope it fails, then I can +1 another dickstarter i ran into the ground successfully
2018-04-27T19:51:52 < mitrax> ahaha
2018-04-27T19:52:01 < Steffanx> You?
2018-04-27T19:52:13 < dongs> no its not my dickstarter
2018-04-27T19:52:21 < dongs> that dude wanted some "consulting"
2018-04-27T19:52:47 < karlp> so that's $400 for what, 6 screens, pc, camera, fancy graphics adapter, power supply
2018-04-27T19:52:53 < dongs> i know right?
2018-04-27T19:52:56 < karlp> custom housing, complicated assembly
2018-04-27T19:53:09 < Steffanx> + cloned abuseshop adapter?
2018-04-27T19:53:23 < karlp> I mean, no-on's going to pay $1k though anyway, so...
2018-04-27T19:53:39 < dongs> they're not gonna make+ship any at that price anyway, so...
2018-04-27T19:54:06 < dongs> also not even sure how they got assdroid running on intel unless its some emulator
2018-04-27T19:54:07 < mitrax> who wants that shit anyway? it looks ugly 
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2018-04-27T19:54:21 < dongs> yeah the whole concept is dumb as fuck
2018-04-27T19:54:38 < Steffanx> We need a new zano
2018-04-27T19:54:48 < Steffanx> What was hte last real fail after zano?
2018-04-27T19:54:49 < dongs> i could *maybe* see use for it as a permanent installation with some aquarium or something running on it for rich / dumb people, but fuck another useless dumbassistant
2018-04-27T19:54:57 < dongs> Steffanx: current ongoing fail is superscreen
2018-04-27T19:56:35 < zyp> emeb, looks interesting enough, I can email the guy after I've had dinner
2018-04-27T19:56:59 < dongs> is it IoT
2018-04-27T19:57:23 < dongs> hm if its dinner in zyp-land it probly means its time to sleep for me
2018-04-27T19:57:54 < Steffanx> no.
2018-04-27T19:57:59 < Steffanx> Only the weak sleep
2018-04-27T19:59:06 < zyp> it's past dinner time already, eating late today
2018-04-27T19:59:11 < zyp> 7pm now
2018-04-27T19:59:58 < dongs> https://github.com/LonelyWolf/stm32/tree/master/nrf24l01 uh does anyone know where this is stolen/forked from?
2018-04-27T20:00:37 < dongs> hmm google doesnt show anything except that shithub
2018-04-27T20:00:45 < dongs> but there's no license/etc headers
2018-04-27T20:01:04 < Steffanx> why should it be stolen?
2018-04-27T20:01:10 < Thorn> dunno I've got my own https://github.com/pthorn/nrf24l01
2018-04-27T20:01:22 < dongs> > C++ 81%
2018-04-27T20:04:50 < dongs> To help reduce criminal activity and protect your account, we'll be making changes to our policy for cash deposits
2018-04-27T20:05:06 < dongs> how is it a criminal activity to deposit cash
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2018-04-27T20:05:29 < emeb> zyp: cool. I'm sure he'll be happy to hear from you.
2018-04-27T20:07:02 < Steffanx> Dont forget to mention you met him in ##stm32. The best channel on freenode.
2018-04-27T20:12:23 < Ultrasauce> New promotion! 10% off to new channel denizens that mention the coupon code PUMPED
2018-04-27T20:13:18 < Steffanx> :P
2018-04-27T20:13:35 < dongs> PUMPED4STM32
2018-04-27T20:19:33 < con3> I dont get why my one counter is working perfectly and the other one is completely fucking out
2018-04-27T20:28:36 < con3> Anyone know why my stm32 might be triggering its output compare way before it should do(before the overflow value)
2018-04-27T20:28:36 < con3> https://pastebin.com/gGDT599z
2018-04-27T20:28:36 < con3> https://imgur.com/a/WVGEdng
2018-04-27T20:28:36 < con3> This seems to be triggering on an overflow of 5, not 10?
2018-04-27T20:32:19 < dongs> cube code is so fucking gross
2018-04-27T20:32:20 < dongs> god damn
2018-04-27T20:32:42 < Ultrasauce> looks like an original personal library to me
2018-04-27T20:32:52 < dongs> Ultrasauce: my link? ok
2018-04-27T20:33:12 < con3> yeah, I'd like to move away from cube in my next project
2018-04-27T20:34:11 < con3> But I can't figure out why it's bugging out like this
2018-04-27T20:34:15 < con3> It was working fine
2018-04-27T20:34:19 < Ultrasauce> Earth has 4 corner simultaneous 4-day time cube within single rotation 4 corner days proves 1 day 1 god is taught evil.
2018-04-27T20:34:58 < englishman> Ultrasauce, please solve a captcha to continue chatting
2018-04-27T20:35:30 < dongs> is that a thing on ircCLOUD
2018-04-27T20:36:07 < Steffanx> Text based captchas seem to be a thing. in the world of crappy research
2018-04-27T20:36:18 < Ultrasauce> Nothing on earth more Evil than a human educated as 1, when composed of opposites that cancel out as an entity.
2018-04-27T20:36:33 < Steffanx> Hedde drugs op?
2018-04-27T20:36:53 < Ultrasauce> I think I need to make a bot that spews a couple sentences of timecube everytime stm32timecube is mentioned
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2018-04-27T20:38:11 < Steffanx> Just set a highlight on it and post something. You seem to be good at it
2018-04-27T20:39:49 < Ultrasauce> bit labour-intensive though. need automemetion
2018-04-27T20:40:25 < Steffanx> Ask how Blaxter does it. He seems to be good at it.
2018-04-27T20:41:35 < Ultrasauce> step 1: have an 8chan-addled brain
2018-04-27T20:41:43 < BrainDamage> generally people have an implicit requirement of 'having a life outside shitposting'
2018-04-27T20:43:45 < Steffanx> isnt it a way of life?
2018-04-27T20:44:25 < zyp> Steffanx, I remember they had a giveaway of those gecko demoboards some years ago, I think that was before silabs acquired energy micro
2018-04-27T20:44:36 < zyp> they never replied to my request :(
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2018-04-27T21:01:52 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/Jb00XGj.gif
2018-04-27T21:02:11 < englishman> altidumb 18.1.6 out
2018-04-27T21:02:47 < englishman> its only 1 build increment from 18.1.5 so there must be some critical fix they had to push
2018-04-27T21:11:51 < antto> critidumb fix
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2018-04-27T22:01:44 < Steffanx> Welcome Nim pro
2018-04-27T22:03:27 < Steffanx> movie.
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2018-04-27T22:26:55 < Steffanx> i cannot imagine you actually enjoy that superbia
2018-04-27T22:29:08 < Steffanx> You know that doesnt really answer anything.
2018-04-27T22:29:15 < Steffanx> *it
2018-04-27T22:29:32 < Steffanx> *explain it, or whatever
2018-04-27T22:32:02 < Steffanx> Excellent. Going to work for tectu?
2018-04-27T22:33:28 < Steffanx> What's the plan superbia?
2018-04-27T22:36:01 < Steffanx> He's from switzerland...
2018-04-27T22:36:18 < Steffanx> Not that i know, no.
2018-04-27T22:37:02 < Steffanx> He didnt kill me when i met him, so .. i guess he's not a turk. As turks and dutchies doesnt go well.
2018-04-27T22:38:56 < BrainDamage> which canton?
2018-04-27T22:39:11 < Steffanx> Im never sure if you're trolling or serious mr superbia.... i guess i better stop feeding whatever you're doing :P
2018-04-27T22:51:55 < zyp> haha
2018-04-27T22:53:11 < zyp> Steffanx, is there any cool places in .nl worth visiting in reasonable distance from the german border?
2018-04-27T22:53:19 < zyp> since we're talking about geography and all
2018-04-27T22:53:52 < Steffanx> Important question here is: What is a reasonable distance?
2018-04-27T22:54:04 < Steffanx> and what time/period?
2018-04-27T22:54:12 < zyp> some time this summer
2018-04-27T22:54:37 < zyp> idk about distance, as far as I'd mind driving
2018-04-27T22:55:32 < BrainDamage> compared to norway, once you're in germany your range is essentially half of europe's mainland
2018-04-27T22:55:46 < zyp> I and my wife are talking about taking the car on the ferry to germany and drive around a bit
2018-04-27T22:55:50 < Steffanx> im not sure. Most tourists want to visit Amsterdam and mainly stuff on the north sea side of the netherlands
2018-04-27T22:56:05 < Steffanx> so that's not really close to the german border
2018-04-27T22:56:24 < zyp> yeah, you guys placed Amsterdam pretty inconveniently
2018-04-27T22:57:23 < zyp> we've talked about driving down to Düsseldorf, and from there you could almost throw a stone over to .nl
2018-04-27T22:59:30 < Steffanx> To be honest i have no idea. Most dutchland stuff is about old cities/villages
2018-04-27T22:59:35 < Steffanx> and im not really into that
2018-04-27T23:00:28 < zyp> then again, Amsterdam is just a 200km detour, not all that far really
2018-04-27T23:01:46 < zyp> idk about what I want to see in dutchland either, but my wife wants to go pick up another fridge magnet for her collection :p
2018-04-27T23:02:12 < zyp> I think that kinda defeats the point
2018-04-27T23:02:15 < zyp> hmm
2018-04-27T23:02:25 < zyp> Steffanx, you're up in the northeast, aren't you?
2018-04-27T23:02:31 < Steffanx> Yes sir, zyp
2018-04-27T23:02:51 < zyp> maybe we should come stalk you then
2018-04-27T23:03:09 < zyp> I think I still got your address noted down somewhere, unless you've moved recently
2018-04-27T23:03:12 < Steffanx> haha, but this part of the netherland is actually the most boring part.
2018-04-27T23:03:40 < Steffanx> Closer to you is Maastricht, but .. i've never been there, so can't really tell if it's great
2018-04-27T23:03:54 < Steffanx> closer to you = closer to dusseldorf
2018-04-27T23:04:53 < Steffanx> All the other stuff is really in amsterdam. Mainly the museums like Venustempel Sex Museum
2018-04-27T23:05:01 < emeb> Steffanx: you're in Groningen?
2018-04-27T23:05:11 < Steffanx> Close enough emeb.
2018-04-27T23:05:23 < zyp> superbia, too late for cheating with magnets, my wife already knows she has a lead over me on countries visited
2018-04-27T23:05:56 < Steffanx> It all depends on what your wife prefers zyp. Active visits or the boring museum visits
2018-04-27T23:06:01 < Steffanx>  /city watching
2018-04-27T23:06:25 < emeb> Steffanx: my parents are about 100km from there in .de now
2018-04-27T23:06:53 < Steffanx> So only 75km away from me.. so they're like 50km from the border?
2018-04-27T23:06:57 < emeb> superbia: no, but they like doner.
2018-04-27T23:07:32 < emeb> Steffanx: in Quackenbruck
2018-04-27T23:07:42 < emeb> very close to the border. 
2018-04-27T23:07:52 < Steffanx> Easiest way to see the netherlands is to visit Madurodam zyp. As that's the 1:25 version of the netherlands ( parts of it )
2018-04-27T23:08:44 < Steffanx> Poland is nice superbia.
2018-04-27T23:08:51 < Steffanx> i would totally visit some cities there
2018-04-27T23:09:03 < emeb> I hear they have sausage
2018-04-27T23:09:13 < Steffanx> and budapest.. why not.
2018-04-27T23:09:15 < zyp> superbia, I'm probably going to poland next year
2018-04-27T23:09:25 < Steffanx> i mean the other pest
2018-04-27T23:09:35 < Steffanx> or wahtever the budawhatever in romania is
2018-04-27T23:09:38 < Steffanx> i always confuse those 2
2018-04-27T23:09:45 < zyp> not driving though, don't think poland has very good EV charger coverage
2018-04-27T23:09:56 < Steffanx> bukarest lol
2018-04-27T23:10:26 < Steffanx> Just rent a cheap maluch/fiat 126p and visit poland the polish way.
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2018-04-27T23:10:36 < Steffanx> means you also have to drink  a lot.
2018-04-27T23:10:40 < emeb> bu<fill in some consonants>est
2018-04-27T23:10:46 < Steffanx> yes, that
2018-04-27T23:11:11 < emeb> dap/kar/whatever
2018-04-27T23:11:49 < emeb> buzagest
2018-04-27T23:11:55 < Steffanx> oh, Quackenbruck is a bit lower on the map than i expected
2018-04-27T23:12:05 < emeb> somewhat souther, yest
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2018-04-27T23:14:00 < zyp> Scheveningen is a nice place name
2018-04-27T23:14:13 < zyp> the japanese pronunciation of that sounds like «pervert»
2018-04-27T23:14:25 < psprint> Guys, I'm right aren't I, the CubeMX generated wrong settings? http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/lwip-users/2018-04/msg00096.html
2018-04-27T23:14:58 < Ultrasauce> ahem
2018-04-27T23:15:33 < Ultrasauce> Children will be blessed for Killing Of Educated Adults Who Ignore 4 Simultaneous Days Same Earth Rotation.
2018-04-27T23:16:03 < Steffanx> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Netherlands_Density.png <= explains why there is not much to see in the region i live
2018-04-27T23:16:08 < Steffanx> no one lives here
2018-04-27T23:17:36 < zyp> just like basically all of norway
2018-04-27T23:17:55 < Steffanx> perhaps
2018-04-27T23:19:23 < emeb> Steffanx: my mom had a joke about oostfriesland - you knew you were there when the cows were prettier than the girls.
2018-04-27T23:19:57 < Steffanx> Im glad ostfriesland is germany
2018-04-27T23:20:09 < zyp> Steffanx, compare http://sedac.ciesin.columbia.edu/downloads/maps/gpw-v3/gpw-v3-population-density/nlddens.jpg vs http://sedac.ciesin.columbia.edu/downloads/maps/gpw-v3/gpw-v3-population-density/nordens.jpg
2018-04-27T23:20:14 < emeb> I always interpreted that to mean that they had very pretty girls
2018-04-27T23:20:30 < emeb> err... cows
2018-04-27T23:20:36 < emeb> now I'm confused.
2018-04-27T23:20:38 < Steffanx> hah
2018-04-27T23:23:16 < Steffanx> but i assume it's not all turned into extremely flat farmland, like here zyp?
2018-04-27T23:24:00 < zyp> we don't have much flat land in norway
2018-04-27T23:24:03 < zyp> relatively speaking
2018-04-27T23:24:13 < Steffanx> Not going to judge, but asians seem to like madurodam in scheveningen :P
2018-04-27T23:24:23 < Steffanx> I guess its about small things.
2018-04-27T23:24:33 < emeb> sometimes I wonder if there aren't more folks of norwegian descent here in the US than in Norway
2018-04-27T23:24:55 < zyp> emeb, I think I've read assertions that that's the case
2018-04-27T23:25:06 < Steffanx> You have quiet a few dutchies too..
2018-04-27T23:25:14 < Steffanx> you and the canadians
2018-04-27T23:25:21 < Steffanx> quite
2018-04-27T23:25:34 < emeb> Steffanx: perhaps, but dutchies don't seem to hold on to their heritage the way the norwegians do
2018-04-27T23:26:00 < zyp> wikipedia says that «There are more than 4.5 million Norwegian Americans, according to the most recent U.S. census»
2018-04-27T23:26:36 < zyp> the population of norway is around 5.3 million
2018-04-27T23:26:48 < emeb> getting close
2018-04-27T23:27:16 < zyp> yes, and you can probably subtract quite a few immigrants from norway's population when you're only counting norwegian descent
2018-04-27T23:28:38 < zyp> 2012 numbers says 710000 immigrants and their descendants
2018-04-27T23:34:28 < emeb> those immigrants. http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/fd/fd3277914ff03ae92fcc6c71108bb1d8adfc53891bee888ae8c01130c67a0468.jpg
2018-04-27T23:37:45 < Steffanx> :)
2018-04-27T23:38:42  * emeb notices he's making a lot of livestock jokes today
2018-04-27T23:39:04 < zyp> been busy farming?
2018-04-27T23:40:45 < Steffanx> Dutch americans population is 5M :D
2018-04-27T23:42:09 < ds2> for reference...what's the america american population?
2018-04-27T23:43:16 < Steffanx> Is there even such thing?
2018-04-27T23:43:37 < englishman> if you get a $200 dna test you can identify as whatever you want
2018-04-27T23:44:13 < Steffanx> Most of the native americans were killed right?
2018-04-27T23:44:26 < BrainDamage> It's not so much a genetic heritage, it's a cultural one. Overweight, with a gun fetish, an irrational fear of socialism mislabelling it as 'communism' and with slightly nationalistic tendencies.
2018-04-27T23:44:40 < Steffanx> Lolz
2018-04-27T23:45:02 < englishman> and employment provided by a phoenix area semiconductor company
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2018-04-27T23:45:48 < Steffanx> stvn was looking for you englishman.
2018-04-27T23:46:22 < englishman> good to know, i was looking for him too
2018-04-27T23:46:39 < Steffanx> Aha
2018-04-27T23:46:48 < Steffanx> He'll wake up soon
2018-04-27T23:47:05 < karlp> Thorn: why are you using #ifndef header guards in modern c++?
2018-04-27T23:47:21 < englishman> my cat was looking at the geese outside and i felt i had to let him know
2018-04-27T23:47:36 < Steffanx> Im sure hes interestes
2018-04-27T23:47:37 < Steffanx> D
2018-04-27T23:50:00 < karlp> zyp: from my recent trip, rotterdam was tops, really nice, eindhoven was pretty so so, tilburg was a bit like an overgrown suburb.
2018-04-27T23:51:01 < emeb> BrainDamage: Unfortunately that's spot-on.
2018-04-27T23:53:52 < Steffanx> Luckely emeb is german american right? :d
2018-04-27T23:54:01 < zyp> wtf is this shit? https://www.google.com/maps/@51.443273,4.9349781,14.91z
2018-04-27T23:54:30 < emeb> Steffanx: and doesn't work for a PHX area chip mfg, nor overweight, nor irrationally fearful of "isms"...
2018-04-27T23:54:39 < emeb> nor a gun owner...
2018-04-27T23:54:41 < Steffanx> Hah xyp
2018-04-27T23:54:43 < Steffanx> Zyp
2018-04-27T23:54:53 < emeb> ok - pronounced the same
2018-04-27T23:55:53 < emeb> zyp: that's what you call a porous border
2018-04-27T23:56:17 < zyp> https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4484966,4.9302448,18.07z <- this shit in particular
2018-04-27T23:56:31 < karlp> zyp: yeah, my friend was going to take me there, but they went with another fiend
2018-04-27T23:56:35 < karlp> and said it was actualyl really boring.
2018-04-27T23:56:44 < karlp> it's interesting politically, but nothing to really see per se
2018-04-27T23:56:49 < emeb> zyp: I wonder which country the folks in those houses pay taxes to.
2018-04-27T23:57:17 < karlp> emeb: I'm sure it's well documented and written down for years now :)
2018-04-27T23:57:39 < emeb> karlp: Of course - this is Europe. But I still wonder.
2018-04-27T23:57:42 < zyp> I wonder why the borders are just randomly crossing diagonally against roads and plots
2018-04-27T23:57:45 < BrainDamage> I live in a town with one, except there's a wall inbetween because customs
2018-04-27T23:58:36 < emeb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baarle-Hertog
2018-04-27T23:58:43 < emeb> Of course there's a wiki
2018-04-27T23:59:04 < emeb> "Baarle-Hertog is noted for its complicated borders"
2018-04-27T23:59:35 < Steffanx> emeb: its easy. The building belongs to the country where the front door is in
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2018-04-28T00:00:12 < emeb> At one time, according to Dutch laws restaurants had to close earlier. For some restaurants on the border this simply meant that the customers had to move to a table on the Belgian side.
2018-04-28T00:00:58 < karlp> belgium also likes doing this sort of garbage: https://www.google.com/maps/@50.6468472,6.1861911,15.5z
2018-04-28T00:01:16 < karlp> belgium just sounds insane gneerally, their politics and three language states sounds so complicated
2018-04-28T00:01:17 < Steffanx> There is even a building with the front door exactly on the border
2018-04-28T00:01:59 < emeb> They should just build a wall. A beautiful wall.
2018-04-28T00:02:29 < zyp> we have county borders looking like that in norway
2018-04-28T00:03:06 < zyp> no, wait
2018-04-28T00:03:15 < zyp> I didn't fully appreciate how ridiculous that was
2018-04-28T00:04:34 < emeb> takes a while to wrap one's brain around such nonsense.
2018-04-28T00:05:05 < emeb> Fortunately Iceland has no such problems.
2018-04-28T00:05:41 < emeb> But they do have the issue of what happens when new land appears and existing land disappears due to volcanoes
2018-04-28T00:06:01 < BrainDamage> remember that borders were fought with blood and tears for centuries
2018-04-28T00:06:11 < BrainDamage> that extra meter really did matter for some
2018-04-28T00:06:20 < emeb> It's the principle!
2018-04-28T00:07:35 < BrainDamage> Then again, you have the opposite example in africa, where people drew straight lines with a ruler, and people fight now to achieve a balance between access to the local resources like rivers, etc.
2018-04-28T00:10:35 < emeb> Happened here long ago too - just on a state border, not national. http://www.ianevans.xyz/blog/2015/10/5/arizona-vs-california-the-water-war
2018-04-28T00:11:15 < emeb> Damned Californians.
2018-04-28T00:11:44 < zyp> today's xkcd is starting to get relevant
2018-04-28T00:13:25 < emeb> No place is safe from the insanity
2018-04-28T00:15:17 < karlp> emeb: well, I think most of the legality got worked out in the 70s, I'm not aware of any eruptions since that have been on private land
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2018-04-28T00:17:57 < englishman> great arcs are racist tho
2018-04-28T00:19:11 < emeb> just give up and spend the rest of your life watching ASMR videos
2018-04-28T00:23:29 < BrainDamage> to risk sounding like an idiot, does everyone react to them or is it subjective?
2018-04-28T00:23:44 < emeb> only some people.
2018-04-28T00:23:46 < BrainDamage> because I've always had eversince I was a kid
2018-04-28T00:24:03 < karlp> what are asmr videos?
2018-04-28T00:24:51 < emeb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_sensory_meridian_response
2018-04-28T00:25:14 < BrainDamage> basically, some people ( me included ) have a weird reaction to some sounds, you get a sort of shiver/tingling sensation along your back, it's kind of pleasant
2018-04-28T00:25:44 < BrainDamage> then youtubers started to monetize on that by having overly sexualized girls whisper on a camera
2018-04-28T00:25:47 < emeb> BrainDamage: I sometimes get that when listening to certain music. It doesn't happen predictably tho.
2018-04-28T00:25:57 < BrainDamage> yeah, it's not consistent for me either
2018-04-28T00:26:46 < emeb> see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisson
2018-04-28T00:29:29 < emeb> https://asmruniversity.com/2016/05/05/asmr-music-chills-frisson/
2018-04-28T00:30:10 < Steffanx> Have an example braindamage?
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2018-04-28T00:31:23 < karlp> oh, huh. yeah, I get that occassionlly, I didn't know people were deliberately working out ways to trigger it and monetise it though
2018-04-28T00:31:36 < karlp> doing that predictably must be weird,
2018-04-28T00:31:46 < Steffanx> Example of non monetized i mean
2018-04-28T00:32:44 < karlp> now, where was I?
2018-04-28T00:32:48  * karlp is a little fried
2018-04-28T00:32:57 < Steffanx> On your way to your bed?
2018-04-28T00:33:03 < karlp> hardly.
2018-04-28T00:33:07 < karlp> this is my only personal time.
2018-04-28T00:33:47 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: It's not consistent, it's generally raspy noises, like nails being gently dragged on a rough table
2018-04-28T00:34:54 < BrainDamage> then again, my brain is wired in a weird way, you did see me sneezing from sunlight
2018-04-28T00:35:16 < Steffanx> I feel honoured you want to spend that time in ##stm32, karlp ;)
2018-04-28T00:36:15 < BrainDamage> huh,  turns out it's a well documented phenomena https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photic_sneeze_reflex
2018-04-28T00:38:48 < Ultrasauce> my roommate does it consistently
2018-04-28T00:39:15 < Steffanx> Does it also involve some white powdet?
2018-04-28T00:39:31 < Steffanx> R
2018-04-28T00:39:42 < karlp> Steffanx: well, sat down to do a few cleanup tasks on teh new computer, I do find the scrollback generally a pleasant "just sat down" task.
2018-04-28T00:40:02 < karlp> but it's also something that happens by default when I'm not managing to focus on anything in particular
2018-04-28T00:40:27 < Ultrasauce> if I'm talking in here it's because I'm using you guys to procrastinate
2018-04-28T00:40:31 < BrainDamage> During work hours I alt tab on irc to defocus a little
2018-04-28T00:40:37 < branjb> me too
2018-04-28T00:40:53 < branjb> just got done writing $19k worth of checks for a plumbing fiasco at home
2018-04-28T00:41:08 < branjb> murrican dream
2018-04-28T00:41:19 < Steffanx> Wasnt your insurance going to pay?
2018-04-28T00:41:26 < zyp> I don't need to alt-tab, I have a dedicated monitor for irc
2018-04-28T00:41:28 < branjb> they did, they gave me the cash
2018-04-28T00:41:32 < branjb> and I had to write the checks
2018-04-28T00:41:43 < Steffanx> Ok...
2018-04-28T00:41:53 < Ultrasauce> sounds like..........a shitty situation
2018-04-28T00:41:55 < Ultrasauce> I'll see myself out
2018-04-28T00:42:14 < branjb> it wasn't really
2018-04-28T00:42:19 < branjb> it was a kitchen situation
2018-04-28T00:42:29 < Steffanx> Even at work zyp?
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2018-04-28T00:42:57 < zyp> yeah
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2018-04-28T00:43:03 < zyp> well, half a monitor at work
2018-04-28T00:43:11 < zyp> other half is usually showing email inbox
2018-04-28T00:43:42 < zyp> I don't have vertical monitors at work and irc doesn't benefit from a full width window
2018-04-28T00:44:02 < branjb> you know you can turn any monitor on its side and it becomes a vertical monitor
2018-04-28T00:44:22 < Steffanx> I bet your colleagues enjoy the occational ##stm32 talk they see
2018-04-28T00:45:41 < emeb> haha
2018-04-28T00:45:59 < emeb> good thing I work at home.
2018-04-28T00:46:41 < zyp> I'm mostly alone in the office these days
2018-04-28T00:47:22 < Steffanx> And the only kids that could see it are those that crash their car in your house, emeb ?
2018-04-28T00:49:20 < emeb> Steffanx: fortunately those kids have never been going fast enough to get into the house. 
2018-04-28T00:49:33 < emeb> stopped by the trees & block wall around the yard
2018-04-28T00:50:05 < mitrax> Steffanx: wasn't it in this channel that some guy had a tamper tantrum cause his kids looked at the monitor and saw dongs cursing or something? i can't remember the nickname
2018-04-28T00:50:25 < zyp> yeah, I remember that
2018-04-28T00:50:35 < Steffanx> Yes. Thats all i remember too.
2018-04-28T00:50:44 < Steffanx> Cant attach a nick to it.
2018-04-28T00:50:51 < emeb> time to grep the logs
2018-04-28T00:50:59 < mitrax> he was polish iirc
2018-04-28T00:51:25 < emeb> someone doesn't quite grasp how the internet works
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2018-04-28T01:49:20 < aandrew> Huh I missed that one
2018-04-28T01:50:41 < aandrew> Grepping for dongs cursing will turn up every third line
2018-04-28T02:10:36 < Thorn> wtf. altium is not in the alt+tab window list. you can't get back to it by pressing alt+tab
2018-04-28T02:10:48 < Thorn> how is that even possible
2018-04-28T02:13:25 < aandrew> Stealth mode
2018-04-28T02:24:00 < mitrax> SteffanX: "Fleck" it was, https://paste.ee/p/vUf8s :)
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2018-04-28T02:47:40 < branjb> Actually most qualified teachers have as much training as Engineers. They have analogous college degrees and continuing education
2018-04-28T02:47:42 < branjb> t. reddit
2018-04-28T02:48:51 < Thorn> made my first qfn component in altium. crashed twice
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2018-04-28T02:50:00 < Laurenceb____> https://imgoat.com/uploads/723d092b63/108058.jpg
2018-04-28T02:50:20 < Thorn> that is twice as much as dicktrace did over the 7 years I've been using it
2018-04-28T03:00:49 < mitrax> Laurenceb__: ahahaha
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2018-04-28T03:05:36 < con3> does the repetition counter allow you to control the pulse length of the repeated pulses?
2018-04-28T03:08:00 < con3> so if I have a timer fed by an external clock
2018-04-28T03:08:37 < con3> I want the repetition counter to generate 8 pulses on overflow but with a length equal to 8 rising edges of the exernal clock
2018-04-28T03:09:26 < Laurenceb____> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/15/aborted-babies-incinerated-to-heat-uk-hospitals/
2018-04-28T03:09:35 < Laurenceb____> > waste-to energy 
2018-04-28T03:09:40 < con3> wtf
2018-04-28T03:09:46 < Laurenceb____> free energy is real amirite
2018-04-28T03:10:18 < con3> "with some even used to heat hospitals" wtf
2018-04-28T03:10:26 < Cracki> so?
2018-04-28T03:10:34 < Cracki> medical waste is burned anyway
2018-04-28T03:10:56 < Cracki> do you think anyone would want to give a burial to the dismembered corpse they pull out of a woman's womb?
2018-04-28T03:11:06 < con3> It just seems like some ethical dillema
2018-04-28T03:11:16 < Cracki> seems
2018-04-28T03:11:29 < Laurenceb____> I'd better get shakking those babbies
2018-04-28T03:11:37 < Laurenceb____> energy crisis status: solved
2018-04-28T03:11:38 < Cracki> babby smoothie
2018-04-28T03:38:32 < Laurenceb____> https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/699014/Man-dead-suicide-Bose-headphones-caused-tinnitus
2018-04-28T03:38:37 < Laurenceb____> this timeline
2018-04-28T03:50:04 < Cracki> wat
2018-04-28T03:50:18 < Cracki> maybe should have seen a dentist
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2018-04-28T04:11:22 < karlp> ok, old pc ~55min building openwrt, new one ~15min
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2018-04-28T04:21:29 < karlp> Thorn: so... why did you switch to altium at all?
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2018-04-28T04:44:44 < stvn> someone tell Laurenceb https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/27/world/europe/britain-dogs-autism-vaccine.html
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2018-04-28T05:13:58 < stvn> Steffanx: i found crt
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2018-04-28T05:25:02 < Thorn> karlp: I haven't yet lol
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2018-04-28T06:16:07 < dongs> uh..
2018-04-28T06:16:11 < dongs> F0 has no CYCCNT right?
2018-04-28T06:16:18 < dongs> how does a nigga implement a delay then
2018-04-28T06:16:22 < dongs> use some random timer?
2018-04-28T06:17:04 < dongs> https://github.com/damogranlabs/STM32F0/blob/master/DELAY_US/delay_us.c . . . . . .
2018-04-28T06:17:16 < dongs> no you stupid fucking gcc cunts
2018-04-28T06:20:05 < englishman> haha
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2018-04-28T06:41:03 < stvn> hey everybody! i'm looking at gay porno!
2018-04-28T07:01:46 < stvn> good morning m2
2018-04-28T07:01:48 < stvn> i mean r2
2018-04-28T07:16:13 < Cracki> >substitute 8 cycles
2018-04-28T07:16:14 < Cracki> >subs r0, #8
2018-04-28T07:16:34 < Cracki> subtraction, substitution, same thing right
2018-04-28T07:25:47 < dongs> so is there some known value register on nrf24 that i can read to make sure shit's working?
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2018-04-28T10:04:17 < dongs> hmm
2018-04-28T10:05:00 < dongs> i get a pulse https://i.imgur.com/hh4I7sj.png on nrf24 outputs (before last dc blocking cap to antenna) sending 32bytes @ 250kbit
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2018-04-28T10:06:30 < dongs> but nothing at antenna and my spectrum analyzer isnt picking up anything at 2.4gh either
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2018-04-28T10:20:08 < Hamilton> I have a nrf51822 dev board. It has a Jlink pinout (20-pin). It's NC pin is connected to 3v3?!
2018-04-28T10:20:45 < Hamilton> Why though?
2018-04-28T10:25:48 < Steffanx> Sure you are not swapping pins?
2018-04-28T10:26:01 < Steffanx> And shouldnt you be in your f1 car? :p
2018-04-28T10:30:08 < dongs> Hamilton: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.faqs/attached/13634/cortex_debug_connectors.pdf
2018-04-28T10:30:36 < dongs> which of the 3 nc pins are you talking about
2018-04-28T10:30:38 < dongs> page 3.
2018-04-28T10:30:43 < Hamilton> Steffanx, Hamilton is f1 driver?
2018-04-28T10:31:21 < Hamilton> I named it in honor of the ijk = -1 gu
2018-04-28T10:31:24 < Hamilton> *guy
2018-04-28T10:33:20 < Hamilton> dongs, it seems I was looking at another jlink pinout...
2018-04-28T10:33:35 < Hamilton> https://www.segger.com/fileadmin/images/products/J-Link/Accesory/Adapters/J-Link_2mm_Adapter_Pinout.png
2018-04-28T10:34:12 < dongs> there is only one
2018-04-28T10:34:18 < dongs> and the link i posted is the correct pinout
2018-04-28T10:34:30 < dongs> and there's very few pins you acutally need to care about
2018-04-28T10:35:53 < Hamilton> Jlink's Vcc is 5 volt right?
2018-04-28T10:36:11 < Hamilton> I fear if I connect it to my dev board, it may burn my chip
2018-04-28T10:36:21 < Hamilton> And there is no schematic showing traces
2018-04-28T10:36:26 < Hamilton> https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/NRF51822_Eval_Kit
2018-04-28T10:36:42 < dongs> no proper debug probe ever supplies current
2018-04-28T10:36:56 < dongs> you provide IT a target voltage
2018-04-28T10:37:04 < dongs> so that it knows what the levels of your board are.
2018-04-28T10:37:25 < dongs> so send your board vcc to pin1, connect swdio/swclk/gnd, and donme
2018-04-28T10:38:33 < Hamilton> pin 1 is VTref right?
2018-04-28T10:38:36 < dongs> yes
2018-04-28T10:38:42 < dongs> thats your target voltage
2018-04-28T10:38:47 < dongs> from your board
2018-04-28T10:38:49 < Hamilton> May I ask another question about JLink?
2018-04-28T10:38:57 < Hamilton> It is not related to this roo
2018-04-28T10:39:21 < Hamilton> dongs, You are not on ##embedded
2018-04-28T10:39:26 < dongs> correct
2018-04-28T10:39:34 < dongs> im neither on ##stonertronics
2018-04-28T10:39:42 < dongs> both places are cesspools of MAKE:Rs without clues
2018-04-28T10:40:11 < Hamilton> dongs, you mean they are n00bs?
2018-04-28T10:41:06 < Hamilton> OK, I have a *clone* JLink (v9). In my place I can not even buy a genuine (edu or otherwise) JLink
2018-04-28T10:41:43 < Hamilton> I want to be able to work with Keil and more importantly vim/gcc/makefile toolchain
2018-04-28T10:41:57 < Hamilton> Can I follow the official links for original Jlink?
2018-04-28T10:42:05 < dongs> depends how shitty of a clone
2018-04-28T10:42:13 < dongs> some work wiht newer software, some require an older one.
2018-04-28T10:42:29 < dongs> usually the place that sells you that shit will give a link to some old(ish) intaller for the software
2018-04-28T10:42:56 < Hamilton> So it only supports Keil?
2018-04-28T10:43:19 < dongs> it should be fine with opensores shit. just startup jlinkgdbserver on your target
2018-04-28T10:43:22 < Hamilton> I bought it 20-25 dollors
2018-04-28T10:43:26 < dongs> and connect to that with eclipse/whatever instead of using openocd
2018-04-28T10:45:16 < Hamilton> dongs, Where did you learn this toolchain? I can't seem to find a good tutorial with open-source toolchains
2018-04-28T10:45:53 < Hamilton> But lots of people suggest openocd (a CLI utility?) but eclipse is an IDE...
2018-04-28T10:46:12 < dongs> Hamilton: no idea, first google hit: https://www.segger.com/products/debug-probes/j-link/technology/ides/eclipse/
2018-04-28T10:47:42 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: if you want a GUI, you might want to take a look at Eclipse MCU embedded.
2018-04-28T10:48:03 < dongs> is that a thing now?
2018-04-28T10:48:04 < Steffanx> #embedded isnt that bad dongs. Its ontopic or just very quiet
2018-04-28T10:48:14 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, But it hides details of make file right?
2018-04-28T10:48:22 < Steffanx> PaulFertser, why not use truestudio instead then?
2018-04-28T10:48:31 < dongs> nobody sane wants details of makefiles.
2018-04-28T10:48:37 < Steffanx> It actually works.
2018-04-28T10:48:45 < Steffanx> Not keil level ofcourse.
2018-04-28T10:48:54 < dongs> ah yes, didnt st recently opensores the truestudio shit?
2018-04-28T10:49:00 < dongs> but does it acutally work wiht jlink?
2018-04-28T10:49:03 < dongs> or only wiht st-dink shit
2018-04-28T10:49:07 < Steffanx> It made it free not opensores
2018-04-28T10:49:13 < Hamilton> dongs, I made a mistake once that I relied on IDE to do shits for me which I didn't understand
2018-04-28T10:49:17 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: it's Eclipse, you can see the makefile if you like.
2018-04-28T10:49:27 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: truestudio is not free software I guess?
2018-04-28T10:49:41 < Steffanx> Its free as in no money paid, by you
2018-04-28T10:49:51 < dongs> GNU MCU Eclipse QEMU
2018-04-28T10:49:51 < PaulFertser> Why would I recommend non-free software...
2018-04-28T10:49:52 < dongs> The GNU MCU Eclipse QEMU subproject is a fork of QEMU (an open source machine emulator), intended to provide support for Cortex-M emulation in GNU MCU Eclipse. Binaries for Windows, macOS and GNU/Linux are available.
2018-04-28T10:49:56 < dongs> thats kinda neat i guess
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2018-04-28T10:50:10 < dongs> PaulFertser: but its not free as in freedom
2018-04-28T10:50:24 < Steffanx> Whats your definition of free here PaulFertser 
2018-04-28T10:50:45 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html obv
2018-04-28T10:50:51 < Steffanx> Pff
2018-04-28T10:50:59 < Steffanx> End of discussion :P
2018-04-28T10:51:08 < Hamilton> So as a embedded hobbyist (MSc controls guy actually), I want to learn the best way of flashing MCUs...So you suggest I go with and IDE?
2018-04-28T10:51:21 < dongs> i suggest you pick cortex M0
2018-04-28T10:51:26 < dongs> and download legal, free keil
2018-04-28T10:51:30 < dongs> and use it with jlink
2018-04-28T10:51:37 < dongs> everything works out of the box, no issues
2018-04-28T10:52:10 < Hamilton> dongs, I've already worked with TM4C123 with Keil (as a course-> Jonathan Volvano's course)...
2018-04-28T10:52:17 < Hamilton> M4f
2018-04-28T10:52:47 < dongs> http://www2.keil.com/stmicroelectronics-stm32/mdk hmm their license key changed
2018-04-28T10:52:54 < dongs>  from L3G4L to something more boring
2018-04-28T10:53:11 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: I would recommend to focus on best way of debugging, not flashing.
2018-04-28T10:53:11 < Hamilton> But I guess vim/gcc/makefile is the best route...especially if I want to also work with ESP8266
2018-04-28T10:53:29 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, Well aren't those kinda interconnected?
2018-04-28T10:53:38 < Steffanx> Then you need openocd 
2018-04-28T10:53:51 < dongs> if you want to work wiht esp1488 you dont need any of this shit
2018-04-28T10:53:54 < Steffanx> ^ such free, PaulFertser :P
2018-04-28T10:53:54 < dongs> you just need arduino ide
2018-04-28T10:54:09 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: you can flash stm32 via their uart bootloader but can't debug. So not always interconnected, no.
2018-04-28T10:54:25 < Steffanx> And do printf debugging dongs, like a pro
2018-04-28T10:54:35 < dongs> esp is garabge anyway
2018-04-28T10:54:39 < dongs> make:r shit
2018-04-28T10:54:44 < dongs> printf debugging is sufficient
2018-04-28T10:54:47 < Steffanx> If you say so.
2018-04-28T10:54:56 < Hamilton> dongs, I've used Arduino for my masters project and it is great but I'm done with that. Even then, I used Eclipse plugin to workaround that IDE
2018-04-28T10:55:10 < dongs> as long as they keep using stolen IP and non-arm cores, ESP is boring and useless
2018-04-28T10:55:54 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, I know but Jlink is the best way for both debug and flash right?
2018-04-28T10:56:09 < Steffanx> If you have a real one, yes.
2018-04-28T10:56:13 < Hamilton> And debugging with printf has its problems being intrusive
2018-04-28T10:56:25 < Hamilton> Bro, I live in Iran
2018-04-28T10:56:28 < Hamilton> :(
2018-04-28T10:56:33 < Steffanx> Heh ok.
2018-04-28T10:56:42 < Hamilton> Everything is sanctioned here
2018-04-28T10:56:49 < Steffanx> You did a good job hiding thst.
2018-04-28T10:56:51 < Steffanx> That
2018-04-28T10:57:03 < Hamilton> How? You can always ping my IP
2018-04-28T11:01:03 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: when openocd is used, jlink is no better or worse than ftdi or cmsis-dap I'd say.
2018-04-28T11:02:25 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, Isn't openocd a cli utility written in TCL(?) for debugging? How can an IDE (Eclipse) replace that?
2018-04-28T11:02:44 < Hamilton> Wouldn't IDEs like Eclipse just invoke cli utilites?
2018-04-28T11:06:08 < Steffanx> Yes.
2018-04-28T11:06:30 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: Eclipse uses gdb for debugging and gdb connects to a gdb server. OpenOCD is a universal gdb server (written in C). But for jlink you can probably use jlink's proprietary gdb server instead.
2018-04-28T11:06:32 < Steffanx> Hamilton is indeed a F1 driver.
2018-04-28T11:06:59 < Steffanx> Also with a clone or will it brick the clone ?
2018-04-28T11:07:05 < Hamilton> Steffanx, Hamilton is the guy that wrote ijk = -1 behind a bridge :)
2018-04-28T11:07:14 < dongs> F1 = help key?
2018-04-28T11:07:21 < Steffanx> Formula One.
2018-04-28T11:07:48 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: not sure, that's why I wrote "probably".
2018-04-28T11:09:03 < Hamilton> OK, then I can just use OpenOCD instead of Segger'ss proprietary tool right?
2018-04-28T11:09:24 < Steffanx> Yes sir.
2018-04-28T11:09:33 < Hamilton> And you suggest otherwise because openocd is buggy or sth?
2018-04-28T11:10:30 < Steffanx> It depends on who you ask. But i would say openocd does the job well
2018-04-28T11:11:00 < dongs> if youre gona use openocd, mibght as well just toggle bits on parallel port
2018-04-28T11:11:03 < dongs> cuz its literally waht it does
2018-04-28T11:11:11 < dongs> you lose all the advantage of jlink
2018-04-28T11:11:32 < Hamilton> dongs, I have to survive with what I have
2018-04-28T11:11:43 < Hamilton> Thank you dongs, Steffanx, PaulFertser 
2018-04-28T11:12:13 < Steffanx> Can you download the official stuff or do the export restriction stop you from downloading it, Hamilton ?
2018-04-28T11:12:48 < Steffanx> (No clue how strict that restriction is, because i never have to think about it)
2018-04-28T11:13:14 < Hamilton> Steffanx, I can workaround net export restriction stuff with a VPN (Psiphon is nice here) but we have problems getting a legit physical device
2018-04-28T11:13:22 < dongs> Steffanx: his problem wiht a chinaclone might be that newer software will try to update or just brick it
2018-04-28T11:13:35 < dongs> i donno what a 'v9' clone is but the old shit with atmel cortex in them are def brickable
2018-04-28T11:13:39 < Steffanx> Yes probably
2018-04-28T11:13:49 < dongs> i think there's a newer clone with F4 in it
2018-04-28T11:13:53 < Hamilton> Even if we could find a place which sells and sends a geniune device, we can not even pay for it because of bank restriction lol
2018-04-28T11:13:55 < dongs> and that one should be updtaeable
2018-04-28T11:14:37 < Hamilton> dongs, this shit contains STM mcu (v8 had Atmel)
2018-04-28T11:15:23 < Steffanx> At least now we can say ##stm32 helped getting those nukes up and running (joking...)
2018-04-28T11:15:26 < dongs> ok, so there's a chance you can actually use recent software wiht it
2018-04-28T11:15:35 < dongs> you onyl get one try tho
2018-04-28T11:15:43 < Hamilton> Steffanx, Bro there is no nuke lol
2018-04-28T11:15:53 < Steffanx> Not yet.
2018-04-28T11:15:54 < dongs> there's an unbrick kit for atmels but iirc it requires another jlink or some other extra shit to make it work
2018-04-28T11:16:00 < PaulFertser> Or just use openocd
2018-04-28T11:16:02 < dongs> donno if there's one for stm
2018-04-28T11:16:14 < PaulFertser> dongs: iirc that atmel has uart bootloader, so no shit needed.
2018-04-28T11:16:15 < dongs> does openocd work with bricked clone jlink?
2018-04-28T11:16:22 < tpw_rules> i need eclipse help
2018-04-28T11:16:29 < PaulFertser> dongs: with bricked, no
2018-04-28T11:16:39 < tpw_rules> i set up a pre-build step in C/C++ Build -> Settings -> Build steps and it runs, but it doesn't run before the build
2018-04-28T11:16:39 < tpw_rules> it writes out some data files that need to be compiled in the program, but by the time the pre-build script has done that, make has already built the program
2018-04-28T11:17:13 < dongs> haha
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2018-04-28T11:17:31 < dongs> sores is open, beter fix it and submit a patch
2018-04-28T11:17:52 < tpw_rules> am i doing it wrong or does eclipse just suck
2018-04-28T11:19:13 < Steffanx> You are doing it wrong.
2018-04-28T11:19:23 < tpw_rules> do you know how to do it right
2018-04-28T11:20:08 < Steffanx> It mainly is that it just works for me.
2018-04-28T11:20:25 < tpw_rules> hm
2018-04-28T11:24:26 < tpw_rules> maybe is it because i'm putting a shell script?
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2018-04-28T11:31:50 < tpw_rules> oh it's cause eclipse is bugged
2018-04-28T11:31:53 < tpw_rules> noice
2018-04-28T11:45:53 < Steffanx> uh tpw_rules?
2018-04-28T11:45:58 < tpw_rules> yeah?
2018-04-28T11:46:13 < Steffanx> bugged how?
2018-04-28T11:46:15 < Steffanx> what
2018-04-28T11:46:16 < Steffanx> when
2018-04-28T11:46:17 < Steffanx> where?
2018-04-28T11:46:22 < tpw_rules> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=340300
2018-04-28T11:46:53 < tpw_rules> unless this is a joke that a software as beautiful as eclipse can never have bugs
2018-04-28T11:47:19 < Steffanx> 2011 :D
2018-04-28T11:47:39 < tpw_rules> i did morten's solution at the bottom and that fixed it
2018-04-28T11:48:19 < dongs> haha
2018-04-28T11:48:33 < dongs> "resolved fixed"?
2018-04-28T11:48:35 < dongs> how is it fixed
2018-04-28T11:48:37 < dongs> if its still broken
2018-04-28T11:48:38 < dongs> since 2011
2018-04-28T11:48:50 < tpw_rules> idk maybe nxp hasn't pulled the fix or w/e. idk how that works
2018-04-28T11:49:40 < dongs> crap composter
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2018-04-28T12:00:50 < jadew> stupid mouser
2018-04-28T12:01:16 < jadew> they didn't charge me for something they didn't have on stock, now they can't process the payment (can't withdraw the funds)
2018-04-28T12:01:38 < jadew> so they're asking me to cancel the purchase and make another order (I would have to pay for shipping)
2018-04-28T12:01:49 < jadew> or pay via wire transfer (which would cost more than the shipping)
2018-04-28T12:02:04 < jadew> I told them to either fix it or fuck off
2018-04-28T12:02:14 < jadew> not in those words
2018-04-28T12:02:22 < dongs> i have no problem paying for mouser orders wiht paypal
2018-04-28T12:02:31 < dongs> infact I just ordered 100 STM32F0s from there
2018-04-28T12:02:35 < dongs> yesterday
2018-04-28T12:02:37 < dongs> and it was shipped already
2018-04-28T12:02:37 < jadew> really? they didn't mention paypal
2018-04-28T12:02:38 < dongs> zero isseus
2018-04-28T12:02:49 < dongs> freeship, and price is just $1.83/ea*100
2018-04-28T12:02:54 < jadew> I bet paypal wouldn't have had problems withdrawing funds from my card
2018-04-28T12:04:15 < jadew> on the topic of ranting
2018-04-28T12:04:19 < jadew> fuck lenovo
2018-04-28T12:04:34 < jadew> whoever is in charge there is a fucking retard
2018-04-28T12:05:29 < jadew> who the fuck hires an idiot who thinks "F-keys should only be available by pressing Fn first"
2018-04-28T12:05:39 < jadew> what kind of moron does that?
2018-04-28T12:05:40 < Steffanx> paypal and mouser only works for yankee-addresses, jadew
2018-04-28T12:05:47 < jadew> Steffanx, ah...
2018-04-28T12:05:47 < Steffanx> afaik
2018-04-28T12:05:50 < dongs> lol dude
2018-04-28T12:05:56 < dongs> thats been default for years
2018-04-28T12:05:58 < dongs> not just lenovo
2018-04-28T12:06:04 < dongs> thankfully most machines have a shit in bios to toggle it back
2018-04-28T12:06:07 < dongs> to revert to sane Fn mode
2018-04-28T12:06:15 < jadew> this is a bluetooth keyboard
2018-04-28T12:06:19 < Steffanx> Sounds like lenovo is apple wannabee
2018-04-28T12:06:23 < jadew> and the fn lock isn't working for some reason
2018-04-28T12:06:26 < dongs> To get to the standard F1-F12, you have to hold down Fn+the function key. This used to be adjustable in the BIOS, but for this laptop model, it no longer is available. You can press Fn+esc, and it locks it for that session, but when the computer reboots, this is reset back to the default.Jul 6, 2013
2018-04-28T12:06:31 < dongs> haha h hahahahahahahahhaha
2018-04-28T12:06:40 < dongs> note to self: dont buy lenovo shit
2018-04-28T12:06:49 < jadew> I'll never buy lenovo again
2018-04-28T12:06:54 < jadew> they even fucked the trackpoint
2018-04-28T12:07:07 < jadew> it's garbage... it wanders off by itself
2018-04-28T12:07:35 < dongs> i used to have that problem with toshiba touchpoint thing in like 1996
2018-04-28T12:07:49 < dongs> but thats because i had the thing for years and it was super abused
2018-04-28T12:07:51 < jadew> I never had issues with the trackpoint on my old thinkpad (IBM)
2018-04-28T12:08:05 < Steffanx> But at least you can pour water in your laptop right?
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2018-04-28T12:11:43 < jadew> I have more venting to do, but I'll stop here
2018-04-28T12:11:50 < jadew> I'm gonna take the rest out on my wife
2018-04-28T12:12:09 < Steffanx> The poor lady.
2018-04-28T12:12:27 < Steffanx> Dont get yourself arrested. or isnt she allowed to leave the basement jadew?
2018-04-28T12:12:53 < jadew> she is, her chain is long enough that she can make it to the kitchen
2018-04-28T12:13:14 < Steffanx> Excellent.
2018-04-28T12:23:33 < englishman> ouch, jlink banned in muslim countries
2018-04-28T12:23:37 < englishman> what a different world
2018-04-28T12:23:47 < Steffanx> Not just jewlink you know.
2018-04-28T12:23:55 < englishman> bacon too
2018-04-28T12:25:17 < dongs> https://i.redd.it/gu16f0bsohu01.jpg
2018-04-28T12:25:21 < Steffanx> but that's something they did to themselves... the bacon
2018-04-28T12:25:30 < dongs> pro audio
2018-04-28T12:26:05 < Steffanx> What is that? A screenshot of some pic posted somewhere...?
2018-04-28T12:26:13 < dongs> no clue just retweeting
2018-04-28T12:27:17 < Steffanx> hmm seems to be real
2018-04-28T12:27:54 < Steffanx> Logitec Z333
2018-04-28T12:27:56 < Steffanx> h
2018-04-28T12:29:04 < Steffanx> Even my cheapish chinese edifier speakers do better than that
2018-04-28T12:31:38 < mitrax> who needs tweeters anyway?
2018-04-28T12:32:11 < Steffanx> Happy hardcore has some high pitch sounds too
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2018-04-28T12:33:34 < jadew> lol dongs
2018-04-28T12:34:00 < dongs> hmm what the fuck
2018-04-28T12:34:05 < dongs> wavesahre nrf24 thing doesnt reply at all
2018-04-28T12:35:04 < Steffanx> You're not doing the spi right?
2018-04-28T12:35:37 < mitrax> reminds me of a story with a friend i work with, he wanted to build some pro hifi speakers, he spent like a week checking specs of different boomers/mediums/speakers, asked my opininon about the speaker case calculation and shit, the he finally ordered the parts, one week later, i was at the computer in his workshop and i hear a fucking loud super high pitched noise
2018-04-28T12:36:13 < mitrax> i walk toward his tend bench, he was rotating the tweeter in every direction with his hear nearby, "what the fuck are you doing?" i asked
2018-04-28T12:36:26 < mitrax> "- i've been ripped off, this twitter doesn't even work"
2018-04-28T12:37:34 < mitrax> turns out his earing was total shit, he couldn't hear above 8KHz or something, yet he wanted to build some high end speakers.... 
2018-04-28T12:37:42 < Steffanx> :D
2018-04-28T12:37:43 < mitrax> err hear/ear
2018-04-28T12:51:11 < dongs> oh for fucks sake
2018-04-28T12:51:44 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/zi2VmCW.png i never saw my nrf24 shit working because... the pulse was too fucking short to be caught on spectrum analyzer without trigger
2018-04-28T12:54:23 < mitrax> :)
2018-04-28T12:59:15 < invzim> dongs: is nordic stuff any good?
2018-04-28T13:04:34 < Steffanx> its the best.
2018-04-28T13:15:18 < Hamilton> jadew, But I though Thinkpad T4xxs are the best? (esp. for us embedded fellas)
2018-04-28T13:16:08 < Hamilton> englishman, does the term "jlink", have any historic significance I'm not aware of? :)
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2018-04-28T13:29:19 < dongs> invzim: no idea. im pulling out an old project off my innovation shelf since i got some free time
2018-04-28T13:42:28 < dongs> if I have vcc->R->led->usart_rx, is that gonna fuck wiht bootlaoder operation
2018-04-28T13:42:47 < dongs> (im not using usart as usart, just using one of its pins for a led
2018-04-28T13:42:59 < dongs> but i'd like to flash via rom bootlaoder
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2018-04-28T13:45:11 < dongs> fuckit, ill just move the pin
2018-04-28T13:49:22 < kakimir> hello dongs
2018-04-28T13:49:32 < kakimir> new innovations?
2018-04-28T13:52:53 < kakimir> what happens if I extend connection to my indoors ubiquiti with UTP
2018-04-28T13:56:31 < kakimir> for 3 reasons 1) I don't have STP cables 2) I don't have STP extension joint 3) I may want to use poe router some day in there
2018-04-28T13:56:37 < kakimir> *attic
2018-04-28T13:56:42 < dongs> the fu ck is STP
2018-04-28T14:00:38 < kakimir> shielded twister pair
2018-04-28T14:06:02 < kakimir> hmm
2018-04-28T14:06:08 < dongs> think about it
2018-04-28T14:06:26 < kakimir> I need to check If I have STB cable
2018-04-28T14:06:30 < kakimir> STP
2018-04-28T14:06:42 < kakimir> then I make a patch cord of it
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2018-04-28T14:17:21 < kakimir> I'm super lazy so no
2018-04-28T14:17:47 < Steffanx> Just use utp.
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2018-04-28T14:20:35 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-28T14:50:06 < Streaker> Just cut up a CAT6 and pull out it's intestines
2018-04-28T14:50:14 < kakimir> does the device reference to ground via power pairs of the device
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2018-04-28T14:50:29 < kakimir> or is there isolation in one or both ends
2018-04-28T14:50:35 < kakimir> I mean it's DC
2018-04-28T14:54:40 < kakimir> okay better get started>
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2018-04-28T15:48:50 < psprint> what are BSP drivers? I use them for led initialization, they seem to be not available in Cube
2018-04-28T15:54:39 < Steffanx> Board Support Package
2018-04-28T15:54:46 < Steffanx> must be in cube somewhere
2018-04-28T15:54:48 < Steffanx> Ultrasauce ^
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2018-04-28T16:08:39 < jadew> anyone here using inches in technical drawings or to take any kind of measurements that are part of documentation or a final product?
2018-04-28T16:13:55 < jadew> I guess not
2018-04-28T16:14:11 < jadew> I suppose all the documentation that remains like that is probably old
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2018-04-28T16:17:59 < bit_mask> ahoy
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2018-04-28T16:25:20 < Steffanx> lol, idk why you would even consider it.
2018-04-28T16:25:23 < Steffanx> mr jadew
2018-04-28T16:25:56 < jadew> Steffanx, not considering it, but I keep seeing various drawings in inches, even when they're about metric devices
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2018-04-28T17:27:38 < jpa-> jadew: people in usa surely would still take measurements in inches
2018-04-28T17:27:50 < jpa-> even if some use metric also
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2018-04-28T17:37:25 < Streaker> And people in China design in inches converted into mm
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2018-04-28T18:09:43 < Thorn> Altium Disaster
2018-04-28T18:13:34 < Steffanx> PEBKAC much Thorn?
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2018-04-28T18:33:07 < jadew> anyone with a VNA & proper calibration standard willing to measure the length of a SMA thru connector?
2018-04-28T18:33:20 < jadew> (with the VNA)
2018-04-28T18:33:32 < jadew> and then also measure the outside dimensions of that connector
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2018-04-28T18:48:40 < Laurenceb____> reee muricans
2018-04-28T18:48:46 < Laurenceb____> buying muh supermarkets
2018-04-28T18:50:25 < Laurenceb____> everything is walmart now
2018-04-28T18:51:08 < bit_mask> finally getting muy limit switches connected: https://i.imgur.com/7XdOUIB.png
2018-04-28T18:51:14 < bit_mask> muh*
2018-04-28T18:53:58 < Laurenceb____> kill all muricans
2018-04-28T18:54:01 < Laurenceb____> bomb the walmart
2018-04-28T18:54:36 < Laurenceb____> inb4 they buy tesco and all uk supermarkets are walmart
2018-04-28T18:54:54 < bit_mask> maybe walmart is more a rural thing where they dont have anything else
2018-04-28T18:55:16 < bit_mask> wherever ive lived theres been one usually within 30-45 min but it was never a place ive gone
2018-04-28T18:55:18 < Laurenceb____> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/these-are-the-largest-employers-in-the-us-state-by-state-2017-01-26
2018-04-28T18:55:22 < Laurenceb____> needs uk adding
2018-04-28T18:55:45 < Laurenceb____> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43933517
2018-04-28T18:55:49 < Laurenceb____> rage mode activated
2018-04-28T18:58:02 < Laurenceb____> https://www.rt.com/news/425375-germany-masturbation-course-students/
2018-04-28T18:58:20 < Laurenceb____> will they offer a postgrad course?
2018-04-28T18:59:42 < tpw_rules> for women?
2018-04-28T19:00:02  * bit_mask goes out and buys a wig
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2018-04-28T19:40:51 < jadew> is there something like a depth micrometer? something with a very thin probe
2018-04-28T19:47:51 < Steffanx> uh what jadew?
2018-04-28T19:49:11 < BrainDamage> jadew: feeler gauge
2018-04-28T19:49:18 < BrainDamage> eg http://www.dx.com/p/14-blades-steel-feeler-gauge-0-05-1-0mm-109273
2018-04-28T19:49:48 < BrainDamage> for thickness
2018-04-28T19:50:18 < BrainDamage> for the other axis, just take a caliper
2018-04-28T19:50:27 < jadew> BrainDamage, thanks, but it won't fit, I want to measure the depth of a small hole
2018-04-28T19:51:17 < Steffanx> then get a depth micrometer with a thin "feeler"?
2018-04-28T19:51:41 < jadew> hah, that's how it's called?
2018-04-28T19:51:44 < jadew> lol
2018-04-28T19:52:19 < Steffanx> :P
2018-04-28T19:52:24 < jadew> thanks
2018-04-28T19:53:54 < Steffanx> not something too cheap though
2018-04-28T19:54:02 < jadew> yeah... I can see that
2018-04-28T19:54:15 < jadew> I guess I'll have to improvise something
2018-04-28T19:54:42 < Steffanx> you cant open up a connector?
2018-04-28T19:54:45 < Steffanx> by force
2018-04-28T19:55:02 < jadew> ah, I'm over that part
2018-04-28T19:55:08 < Steffanx> hah ok
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2018-04-28T19:56:58 < mra90> I was given NUCLEO F446RE, where I can dowload drivers for it?
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2018-04-28T20:00:50 < Steffanx> did you try this page mra90 http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/nucleo-f446re.html ?
2018-04-28T20:00:58 < Steffanx> " 	UM1727: Getting started with STM32 Nucleo board software development tools "
2018-04-28T20:02:11 < mra90> Steffanx: I am on this page already
2018-04-28T20:02:25 < mra90> I was rather expecting zip package of lov level drivers instead of sth like CUbe
2018-04-28T20:02:31 < mra90> Keep searching...
2018-04-28T20:02:52 < Steffanx> you can also install the stlink utility. it will give you the drivers too afaik
2018-04-28T20:03:12 < mra90> I mean software layers for uC like pin configuration etc
2018-04-28T20:03:20 < mra90> no debigger drivers..
2018-04-28T20:03:36 < Steffanx> oooh
2018-04-28T20:03:47 < Steffanx> cube is all you get nowadays
2018-04-28T20:04:05 < mra90> So no way to download raw package? oO
2018-04-28T20:04:13 < Steffanx> the HAL has some lower level drivers though. They are called something_LL_something.ch/
2018-04-28T20:04:26 < mra90> that;s possible ;)
2018-04-28T20:05:39 < Steffanx> or you have to look for alternatives like libopencm3
2018-04-28T20:05:46 < Steffanx> but no clue how the support for f446 is
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2018-04-28T20:05:55 < Steffanx> but people in #libopencm3 can tell you
2018-04-28T20:06:30 < kakimir> yes I figured it out
2018-04-28T20:07:00 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/17TfYNZ-fhnTsXy0fSP-RY-lfzYFlEjB1/view?usp=sharing
2018-04-28T20:07:28 < kakimir> how to extend STP cables
2018-04-28T20:08:02 < mra90> Steffanx: thanks
2018-04-28T20:09:31 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Q_lhgGANc musics times
2018-04-28T20:18:14 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ykXf9Hm0KsXtyYs_Kiq6jEn0wmfcp4u9/view?usp=sharing there is now breakpoint in attic - possible to throw poe switch in there or anything
2018-04-28T20:20:05 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sWdi6APlSW94zMxT6gjfw9kF_Qkxc3Xi/view?usp=sharing no more ceiling nipple but tasteful accesspoint leds off
2018-04-28T20:21:09 < jadew> I have to make some friends in my city that have cool equipment
2018-04-28T20:25:15 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uWPIyXIx35l-Nw_09399j3zyeSADJ3m5/view?usp=sharing before pic
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2018-04-28T20:28:32 < Steffanx> leds should be on, kakimir
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2018-04-28T20:28:41 < Steffanx> Fancy blue prefered
2018-04-28T20:29:32 < jadew> great, so if my guesstimation is off by 0.5mm, the results of my measurement will be off by 20%
2018-04-28T20:30:18 < BrainDamage> i have a blacklight lamp alongside normal, way cooler than blue leds
2018-04-28T20:30:29 < kakimir> Steffanx, blue gay leds were there so I had to turn them off
2018-04-28T20:30:56 < kakimir> if it was tasteful dim white or so there would have not been problem
2018-04-28T20:31:32 < Steffanx> Its a nice night light in the hallway here.
2018-04-28T20:33:46 < kakimir> hmm
2018-04-28T20:33:57 < kakimir> it would be nice in stairway
2018-04-28T20:34:18 < kakimir> it's so lit in here that cannot simulate darkeness
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2018-04-28T20:34:47 < kakimir> sun is yet to set
2018-04-28T20:35:16 < Steffanx> It's also time for a new wallpaper kakimir. This blue border is getting old
2018-04-28T20:36:29 < kakimir> it's like.. there is nobody to do that
2018-04-28T20:36:33 < kakimir> but me
2018-04-28T20:37:02 < kakimir> so it will do
2018-04-28T20:37:07 < kakimir> for now
2018-04-28T20:39:08 < Steffanx> :)
2018-04-28T20:39:49 < kakimir> besides there is important technical stuff to do
2018-04-28T20:40:08 < Steffanx> important as in .. life or death?
2018-04-28T20:45:08 < kakimir> certainly!
2018-04-28T20:45:27 < kakimir> I have not yet figured it out what it is that I need to do for the house
2018-04-28T20:45:39 < kakimir> but it's important project!
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2018-04-28T21:08:45 < bit_mask> not the prettiest solution but it gets the job done: https://i.imgur.com/SpmYoyD.png
2018-04-28T21:10:48 < BrainDamage> is that a motorized dildo holder?
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2018-04-28T21:11:11 < bit_mask> howd you know? I've been lying to everyone and telling them its a pen plotter
2018-04-28T21:12:25 < BrainDamage> I have good intuition for that kind of stuff.
2018-04-28T21:12:38 < zyp> cute linear rail
2018-04-28T21:12:39 < bit_mask> experience does that
2018-04-28T21:13:30 < zyp> what's the circles for?
2018-04-28T21:14:22 < bit_mask> screws?
2018-04-28T21:15:03 < bit_mask> or you mean on the end? I thought you were still talking about the rails?
2018-04-28T21:15:53 < bit_mask> https://youtu.be/Mu5pzEO1iLs
2018-04-28T21:16:15 < Steffanx> Did you kill the sound?
2018-04-28T21:16:38 < jadew> fapping sounds were not necessary
2018-04-28T21:16:48 < bit_mask> yea, I couldnt figure out why HD wasn't an option so I re uploaded it with another program
2018-04-28T21:19:21 < bit_mask> I gotta get sd card working, or stream commands from the rpi, id rather not do that but its easy and then I dont need to waste another sd card
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2018-04-28T21:22:53 < Steffanx> Yes better do streaming
2018-04-28T21:22:59 < Steffanx> dont forget to connect that webcam
2018-04-28T21:31:31 < zyp> can't it go faster?
2018-04-28T21:35:28 < bit_mask> of course, I'm still testing/working on it, I'm fine going slow for now
2018-04-28T21:35:50 < zyp> boring
2018-04-28T21:36:13 < bit_mask> so dont watch? you are boring
2018-04-28T21:36:31 < zyp> for this 3d printer shit I'm doing, I'm starting out making it go all out, and then I expect I'll have to turn it down later to avoid artifacts in the prints
2018-04-28T21:36:39 < zyp> haha
2018-04-28T21:37:07 < bit_mask> yea, keep slamming into your limit switches and have fun wasting time swapping shit out :P
2018-04-28T21:37:29 < bit_mask> I finally wired up my switches, I'll have to code homing in later
2018-04-28T21:37:46 < bit_mask> I dont feel like doing shit right now
2018-04-28T21:37:53 < zyp> limit switches works nice, I even implemented z probing last night
2018-04-28T21:38:04 < zyp> or, start of it, rather
2018-04-28T21:38:16 < zyp> ref. https://bin.jvnv.net/file/ImiL3.mp4
2018-04-28T21:39:59 < bit_mask> I cant watch your videos anymore, host them somewhere else
2018-04-28T21:40:49 < zyp> not my fault if your browser can't do mp4
2018-04-28T21:41:12 < BrainDamage> are you using internet explorer 5?
2018-04-28T21:41:53 < bit_mask> chrome
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2018-04-28T21:46:40 < TheSeven> I'm observing a weird phenomenon where an STM32F205 UART asserts framing error and RX not empty *twice* during a break character
2018-04-28T21:46:53 < TheSeven> has anyone seen that before or an idea why that might be happening
2018-04-28T21:47:28 < TheSeven> in response to the framing error, I'm reading SR and DR, then the second IRQ comes, I'm reading both again, then it stops, despite the break still being asserted (I just tied the line low for testing)
2018-04-28T22:00:27 < Laurenceb____> https://pastebin.com/eUxVVDTz
2018-04-28T22:00:32  * Laurenceb____ head assplode
2018-04-28T22:03:14 < zyp> TheSeven, are you clearing the condition at the start or end of the ISR? maybe the clear doesn't have time to propagate so IRQ retriggers immediately after returning
2018-04-28T22:03:15 < TheSeven> whitespace can help more than one would think
2018-04-28T22:03:38 < TheSeven> start, and actually I have a breakpoint in the ISR (after the clearing)
2018-04-28T22:03:56 < TheSeven> IIUC the read DR would clear the framing error, right?
2018-04-28T22:04:32 < TheSeven> and it isn't just the IRQ retriggering in the NVIC, the framing error and RXNE bits are set again in the second handler run
2018-04-28T22:04:42 < zyp> can't answer that without consulting the RM, which chip are you on?
2018-04-28T22:04:47 < TheSeven> f205
2018-04-28T22:04:50 < TheSeven> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/51/f7/f3/06/cd/b6/46/ec/CD00225773.pdf/files/CD00225773.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00225773.pdf
2018-04-28T22:05:39 < TheSeven> the original problem is that, while receiving a DMX signal, which separates frames by a break char, I'm receiving *two* zero bytes from the break, which seems weird
2018-04-28T22:05:49 < Steffanx> instead of adding a shitload of comments you can also make your variables more easy ti read Laurenceb____ ... 
2018-04-28T22:05:55 < Steffanx> and please and more underscore to your nick.
2018-04-28T22:06:37 < Laurenceb____> it seemed a simple enough idea...
2018-04-28T22:06:42 < TheSeven> so I was trying to see if it would keep retriggering start bit detection for the duration of the break, but it doesn't - it just happens exactly twice, when it should be once
2018-04-28T22:06:57 < Laurenceb____> sensors autoconnect and have their data synchronised, missing sensors are padded
2018-04-28T22:07:08 < Laurenceb____> code turned into rage mode
2018-04-28T22:08:09 < Laurenceb____> maybe someone has written some epin general purpose algorithm for this purpose...
2018-04-28T22:08:33 < zyp> TheSeven, oh, okay, receiving a break character should set both FE and RXNE
2018-04-28T22:08:44 < TheSeven> yeah, and it does that - but twice
2018-04-28T22:08:52 < Steffanx> i spotted a bug in your codes Laurenceb____
2018-04-28T22:08:54 < zyp> is that really a problem?
2018-04-28T22:09:19 < zyp> presumably a break just resets your state machine, so if you do it once or twice doesn't really matter
2018-04-28T22:09:20 < Laurenceb____> Steffanx: v likely, havent finished writing it yet..
2018-04-28T22:09:26 < Laurenceb____> Steffanx: wher eis bug
2018-04-28T22:09:37 < TheSeven> the problem is that I get that additional garbage zero byte
2018-04-28T22:09:47 < zyp> what zero byte?
2018-04-28T22:09:58 < zyp> are you getting a byte without FE set?
2018-04-28T22:10:02 < Steffanx> Or is it some ugly C++-ing you are doing Laurenceb____? intf.device->connectionstate==ERROR ?
2018-04-28T22:10:05 < Steffanx> line 48
2018-04-28T22:10:26 < Steffanx> *58
2018-04-28T22:10:32 < Steffanx> Same with intf.device->connectionstate==SYNC ...
2018-04-28T22:10:33 < Laurenceb____> device is a pointer to a devicetype
2018-04-28T22:10:45 < TheSeven> what I'm trying to do is use the LBD flag (LIN break detect, triggers on rising edge after break) to fire up DMA to read the rest
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2018-04-28T22:10:55 < Laurenceb____> there is a lower level drive thing
2018-04-28T22:11:02 < TheSeven> and then DMA somehow gets that second zero byte into its buffer
2018-04-28T22:11:15 < TheSeven> and DMA doesn't care about the error flags :/
2018-04-28T22:11:25 < Steffanx> But why are you comparing? Or did you overload the == operator?
2018-04-28T22:11:28 < zyp> is it worth DMAing?
2018-04-28T22:11:55 < TheSeven> otherwise it will be ~45k IRQs/sec
2018-04-28T22:11:58 < Laurenceb____> Steffanx: yeah I prob need brackets there
2018-04-28T22:12:07 < TheSeven> (2 channels with 250 kbaud each)
2018-04-28T22:12:33 < TheSeven> ...and then there's all the other stuff that needs quite a bit of CPU as well
2018-04-28T22:12:54 < zyp> doesn't sound like it should be a problem
2018-04-28T22:13:19 < TheSeven> I already have enough IRQs with latency limits in the microsecond range
2018-04-28T22:13:27 < Laurenceb____> oh == 
2018-04-28T22:13:29 < Laurenceb____> derp I see
2018-04-28T22:13:31 < Laurenceb____> thanks
2018-04-28T22:14:32 < Steffanx> Im surprised the compiler doesnt warn you.
2018-04-28T22:14:33 < zyp> on this 3d printer shit I'm running a timer irq at 100 kHz, doing a bunch of floating point math, I imagine that's a fair bit heavier than what you are doing, on a slower chip (f401)
2018-04-28T22:14:39 < Steffanx> or do you ignore warnings Laurenceb____ :D
2018-04-28T22:15:06 < Laurenceb____> it would be less cancerous if I just chucked out raw data and postprocessed in methlab...
2018-04-28T22:15:07 < zyp> and if you have interrupts competing for time, they can chain, reducing stacking/unstacking overhead
2018-04-28T22:15:39 < TheSeven> zyp: heh when I'm done, I may try to measure CPU load under full stress
2018-04-28T22:16:33 < zyp> what I'm trying to say is that DMA will probably be a both more complex and less robust solution
2018-04-28T22:16:41 < zyp> and probably not gaining much either
2018-04-28T22:16:42 < TheSeven> but I think around 50% already goes towards the WS2811 output translator, then there's the motor controllers, DMX RDM, ethernet, the radio interface (with latency requirements in single-digit microseconds) etc.
2018-04-28T22:16:48 < zyp> how long is a DMX packet anyway?
2018-04-28T22:16:53 < TheSeven> 512 bytes
2018-04-28T22:17:08 < zyp> oh, it sends a full update map every update?
2018-04-28T22:17:14 < TheSeven> so it's the difference between ~90 and ~45k IRQs/sec
2018-04-28T22:17:14 < zyp> state map*
2018-04-28T22:17:17 < TheSeven> yes
2018-04-28T22:17:24 < TheSeven> full state with ~43 fps
2018-04-28T22:17:37 < zyp> oh, okay, I thought it was more like MIDI, only sending updated state
2018-04-28T22:17:49 < TheSeven> yeah for 10 bytes DMA wouldn't be worth it, I agree
2018-04-28T22:18:13 < Laurenceb____> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=43756.0
2018-04-28T22:18:21 < Laurenceb____> troll physics intensifies
2018-04-28T22:18:53 < TheSeven> anyway, I had a look at the code of an older generation device, and there that second zero byte was just eaten away
2018-04-28T22:19:06 < TheSeven> however that device fails in combination with a particular lighting console
2018-04-28T22:19:21 < TheSeven> so that second byte is apparently not always there, but only if the break has some minimum length or whatever
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2018-04-28T22:30:57 < Laurenceb____> https://joinscrewu.com/
2018-04-28T22:31:52 < Steffanx> i read, screw wu.. 
2018-04-28T22:31:54 < Steffanx> i blame dongs
2018-04-28T22:32:30 < Laurenceb____> brianna wu  ?
2018-04-28T22:33:20 < antto> seksi kibork?
2018-04-28T22:33:21 < Steffanx> Naomi 
2018-04-28T22:36:20 < Laurenceb____>  Literally Wu? is a "videogame developer" and former racist gay basher who underwent surgery to "become female" in order to gain success 
2018-04-28T22:36:35 < Steffanx> so how was your day today antto?
2018-04-28T22:54:14 < antto> too short
2018-04-28T22:55:05 < Steffanx> its not even over yet mr antto
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2018-04-28T23:54:40 < bit_mask> zyp what microstep are you using?
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2018-04-29T00:47:04 < stvn> Autonomous niggers
2018-04-29T00:50:52 < Steffanx> 👋🏿
2018-04-29T00:51:18 < zyp> is that so
2018-04-29T00:52:23 < Steffanx> Will you go to church today stvn?
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2018-04-29T00:53:42 < zyp> Steffanx, will you?
2018-04-29T00:54:04 < Steffanx> Nein.
2018-04-29T00:54:13 < zyp> aww
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2018-04-29T00:54:34 < Steffanx> And stvn's today is not my today
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2018-04-29T00:54:50 < zyp> in a couple of minutes, it is
2018-04-29T00:55:20 < Ultrasauce> my today is only mine. who needs timezones when there's solipsism
2018-04-29T00:55:36 < Steffanx> Cube.
2018-04-29T00:55:53 < englishman> ^
2018-04-29T00:56:38 < Ultrasauce> ³
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2018-04-29T01:01:55 < Steffanx> Gave uo on timecube already Ultrasauce ?
2018-04-29T01:02:11 < Ultrasauce> you just saying the word doesnt count
2018-04-29T01:03:12 < Steffanx> Awh.
2018-04-29T01:03:21 < Laurenceb____> Christians pushed alcohol because they had destroyed the "Pagan" knowledge of cleaning water with copper vessels. Alcoholic beverage was cleaner than the water they had. Had the Christians had a brain and some basic knowledge, they would tell people to clean water by letting it stand in a copper vessel
2018-04-29T01:03:34 < Laurenceb____> muh pagan knowledge
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2018-04-29T01:03:58 < Steffanx> Ok.
2018-04-29T01:04:36 < Laurenceb____> what is ur excuse for not being pagan?
2018-04-29T01:04:38 < Steffanx> Is "muh" your 4changlish knowledge?
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2018-04-29T01:04:56 < Laurenceb____> muh 4chan chat copypastas
2018-04-29T01:06:37 < Laurenceb____> https://i2.wp.com/methodsunsound.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/the-wicker-man-960x540.jpg?resize=768%2C432
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2018-04-29T01:08:42 < Laurenceb____> tfw
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2018-04-29T01:38:11 < BrainDamage> >clean water >copper vessel
2018-04-29T01:38:45 < BrainDamage> because copper poisoning is also a great way to live
2018-04-29T01:39:40 < jadew> I know people who do something similar now
2018-04-29T01:40:03 < jadew> they keep FR-4 boards in water for weeks
2018-04-29T01:40:03 < BrainDamage> occasional usage is fine, but prolonged, like in the case you would do to do water sanitization, will give you poisoning
2018-04-29T01:40:28 < jadew> they claim that it has great healing abilities
2018-04-29T01:41:20 < jadew> + some really crazy claims
2018-04-29T01:51:06 < dongs> heh
2018-04-29T01:51:57 < dongs> this proj im in has a water level made out of 2 sheets of PCB that measures capacitance or whatever the fuck chances between them
2018-04-29T01:52:07 < dongs> dickheads wanted to 'save money' by not buying a proper sensor
2018-04-29T01:52:22 < dongs> chances=cahnges
2018-04-29T01:52:48 < dongs> at least its distilled water so it won't rust in a week 
2018-04-29T01:58:07 < Cracki> FR4? why not just plain copper...
2018-04-29T02:05:52 < dongs> cuz top of the sensor had opamp or whatever shit mounted
2018-04-29T02:08:38 < Thorn> is stm32f4 PLL/MCO accurate enough to drive a LAN PHY (@25MHz)?
2018-04-29T02:10:16 < dongs> yes?
2018-04-29T02:10:45 < dongs> iirc thats one of supported configs, where you have a 25mhz xtal on stm and mco it out at 1:1 to phy
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2018-04-29T02:13:59 < Thorn> well in my case it's RMII and the PHY accepts 25MHz, doubles it and outputs REF_CLK back to the stm32. this config is not in the manual afaict
2018-04-29T02:15:52 < dongs> share the crystal like a boss
2018-04-29T02:15:55 < Thorn> anyway I can select HSE as the source for MCO so the PLL is not a factor
2018-04-29T02:16:03 < dongs> jk, i dont see why MCO wouldnt work
2018-04-29T02:16:04 < dongs> yes
2018-04-29T02:16:19 < dongs> thats what i meant, configure mco so that it just outputs the crystal clock, squared
2018-04-29T02:17:22 < Thorn> altium disaster crashed again. I pressed the green arrow in the top right corner
2018-04-29T02:18:08 < dongs> wot
2018-04-29T02:18:12 < Thorn> I remember Houdini 12 or something had a crash button too but it was in the lower left corner
2018-04-29T02:18:50 < dongs> altium has a crash key combination, but i forgot waht it was
2018-04-29T02:18:52 < dongs> ive hit it before
2018-04-29T02:20:18 < Thorn> altium (2 days) : dicktrace (7 years) 3:1
2018-04-29T02:21:00 < dongs> my worst dicktrace crash was wehn my ram died and i was getting randomly scrambled data
2018-04-29T02:21:15 < dongs> thats when I almost lost my main library files
2018-04-29T02:21:40 < dongs> luckily i'd been making monthyl-ish backups and didn't lose much 
2018-04-29T02:24:47 < Thorn> oh nice lan8720a doesn't have separate link & activity leds
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2018-04-29T02:38:37 < stvn> Explosive charge, placed.
2018-04-29T02:40:40 < stvn> Timer started.
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2018-04-29T02:48:32 < Thorn> that wasn't dicktrace's fault though
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2018-04-29T05:27:51 < psprint> Guys, anyone know something on memory model of LwIP? http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/lwip-users/2018-04/msg00097.html
2018-04-29T05:29:37 < englishman> im goign to bet money that thorn is running this on cloned russian hardware
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2018-04-29T10:06:43 < stvn> lol
2018-04-29T10:11:48 < Steffanx> What version of altium did you not buy Thorn ?
2018-04-29T10:12:54 < Steffanx> How can you blame altium when you warezed it? With whatever changes your russian hacker friend made..
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2018-04-29T10:30:34 < antto> soviet руткит is da best руткит
2018-04-29T10:34:21 < Steffanx> Da
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2018-04-29T12:41:28 < stvn> hmm
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2018-04-29T13:04:19 < Steffanx> upgrdman is alive :o
2018-04-29T13:04:28 < upgrdman> :)
2018-04-29T13:04:37 < stvn> stffn
2018-04-29T13:05:16 < Steffanx> Stvn.
2018-04-29T13:05:31 < stvn> sky?
2018-04-29T13:05:42 < Ultrasauce>   t----i
2018-04-29T13:05:42 < Ultrasauce>  /|   /|
2018-04-29T13:05:42 < Ultrasauce> u-|--c |
2018-04-29T13:05:42 < Ultrasauce> | e--|-m
2018-04-29T13:05:42 < Ultrasauce> |/   |/
2018-04-29T13:05:43 < Ultrasauce> b----e
2018-04-29T13:06:23 < stvn> play some asciis
2018-04-29T13:06:40 < Steffanx> Me and my client dont understand.
2018-04-29T13:06:58 < Ultrasauce> how could you possibly use irc with a variable width font
2018-04-29T13:07:29 < Steffanx> Standard response: why not?
2018-04-29T13:07:44 < Ultrasauce> so that you can see obnoxious ascii art spam?
2018-04-29T13:08:03 < Steffanx> Oh the cube <3
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2018-04-29T13:30:56 < stvn> teaPotter
2018-04-29T13:34:11 < Steffanx> TEA.
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2018-04-29T14:18:27 < Steffanx> stvn special music for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVDgVe1yGOg
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2018-04-29T15:21:43 < jpa-> eh, this is some extreme cost saving on this chinese radio thingy
2018-04-29T15:22:16 < jpa-> i've sometimes used push-pull for I2C SCL pin, but this device uses it for SCL and SDA both, and then just weak internal pull-up for ACK bits
2018-04-29T15:22:32 < jpa-> .. so when i hook up logic analyzer, the ACK bits get messed up and it no longer works
2018-04-29T15:27:31 < jadew> https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aQ3gXqw_460svvp9.webm
2018-04-29T15:27:35 < jadew> NSFW
2018-04-29T15:31:48 < sync> Ehhh jpa-
2018-04-29T15:41:27 < dongs> hello innovators
2018-04-29T15:41:54 < dongs> < Ultrasauce> how could you possibly use irc with a variable width font
2018-04-29T15:42:00 < dongs> for real
2018-04-29T15:42:23 < dongs> jpa-: thats anti-clone protection
2018-04-29T15:42:29 < dongs> amirite
2018-04-29T15:43:24 < jpa-> if it is, it is very effective
2018-04-29T15:44:08 < jpa-> but i was smarter and added external pull-ups
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2018-04-29T16:09:24 < karlp> Ultrasauce: nice timecube :)
2018-04-29T16:16:37 < Streaker> jadew: how is that nsfw? I saw no peepee and no butthole.
2018-04-29T16:22:18 < antto> this whole channel is NSFW
2018-04-29T16:23:32 < karlp> how close do people sit in your office taht they can read your irc text?
2018-04-29T16:25:07 < dongs> haha
2018-04-29T16:25:54 < dongs> its not nswf, its just fuckig retarded
2018-04-29T16:25:55 < karlp> jpa-: what's the motivation for pushpull on scl? 
2018-04-29T16:33:06 < Steffanx> You never look at a colleagues screen, karlp?
2018-04-29T16:33:34 < karlp> sometimes, but te text here isn't really nsfw.
2018-04-29T16:33:52 < karlp> or, it would be a hard sell to claim you were innjured by some tesxt on your colleageus screen
2018-04-29T16:36:14 < Steffanx> Hah true.
2018-04-29T16:36:15 < antto> when i read this channel a whole day, i need to bleach my eyes
2018-04-29T16:36:34 < Steffanx> Poor antto 
2018-04-29T16:36:42 < antto> nah, i'm fine
2018-04-29T16:36:44 < Steffanx> Are you Fleck?
2018-04-29T16:36:48 < antto> a wat
2018-04-29T16:36:57 < Steffanx> Fleck.
2018-04-29T16:37:09 < antto> wut's that?
2018-04-29T16:37:19 < dongs> fleck is a faggot who /ignores on irc
2018-04-29T16:37:36 < antto> no, i hate the idea of /ignore
2018-04-29T16:37:44 < Steffanx> Fleck is no longer with us, antto 
2018-04-29T16:37:46 < antto> or hiding messages
2018-04-29T16:38:26 < Steffanx> So how is your day so far antto 
2018-04-29T16:38:37 < dongs> antto more like natto
2018-04-29T16:39:12 < antto> it's just the talking here is quite vulgar
2018-04-29T16:39:25 < dongs> is it really
2018-04-29T16:39:25 < antto> reminds me of when i worked at the warehouse
2018-04-29T16:39:40 < antto> i miss that ;P~
2018-04-29T16:40:52 < Steffanx> Are you a millenial antto?
2018-04-29T16:41:07 < dongs> i bet he was born >= 2000
2018-04-29T16:41:20 < antto> wut's that
2018-04-29T16:41:44 < dongs> there's actaully people ON THE INTERNET RIGHT NOW who fit that definition :(
2018-04-29T16:42:14 < antto> there's people fitting any definition
2018-04-29T16:42:19 < antto> which is scary ;P~
2018-04-29T16:42:27 < Steffanx> People born between 1980 and 2000 are millenials
2018-04-29T16:42:58 < antto> then yes, i am
2018-04-29T16:43:27 < Steffanx> Hmm them i dont understand your issues
2018-04-29T16:43:41 < antto> what issue?
2018-04-29T16:44:02 < Steffanx> ##stm32
2018-04-29T16:44:35 < antto> i just stated my observations
2018-04-29T16:44:47 < antto> i am internally very vulgar
2018-04-29T16:44:52 < antto> but i hide it ;P~
2018-04-29T16:45:31 < BrainDamage> So you're just repressed like a japanese salary man
2018-04-29T16:45:41 < antto> hm?
2018-04-29T16:47:54 < antto> i don't know any japanese people
2018-04-29T16:47:57 < jpa-> karlp: only to save a resistor, atleast i know no other reason to do it
2018-04-29T16:51:48 < Steffanx> What is it jpa-?
2018-04-29T16:52:24 < Steffanx> What radio?
2018-04-29T17:06:01 < jpa-> VV-108.. tried to fix VOX functionality on it but no luck
2018-04-29T17:06:15 < jpa-> can't really figure out how VOX on this AT1846 chip is supposed to work
2018-04-29T17:08:09 < sync> dongs: the scary part is that people are legal to bang that were born in early 2000
2018-04-29T17:08:22 < karlp> why is that scary?
2018-04-29T17:09:26 < jpa-> because law is the only thing that limits who sync bangs
2018-04-29T17:12:06 < Steffanx> It makes sync feel old, that's all.
2018-04-29T17:19:18 < dongs> heh
2018-04-29T17:25:58 < sync> Pfft jpa-
2018-04-29T17:26:18 < sync> Yes Steffanx
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2018-04-29T17:49:35 < jadew> I remember when I was thinking that about the 90's
2018-04-29T17:55:44 < jpa-> sync: come to finland, here 2002 kids are legal now
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2018-04-29T17:57:23 < dongs> tell that to assange
2018-04-29T17:57:36 < dongs> or was that sweden that he fucked someone in
2018-04-29T17:58:13 < jpa-> it was sweden
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2018-04-29T18:45:21 < jadew> bit_mask, someone managed to make a more compact version of your plotter: https://youtu.be/PGpTsQtznw4?t=79
2018-04-29T18:46:11 < bit_mask> hah yea ive seen some like that, they aren't very good at drawing though :)
2018-04-29T18:46:29 < jadew> I bet, looks fun tho :)
2018-04-29T19:04:36 < jadew> has anyone here measured the dielectric constant of cheap FR-4 from china?
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2018-04-29T19:15:27 < sync> jadew: all over the shop
2018-04-29T19:15:56 < sync> Order rogers
2018-04-29T19:17:26 < jadew> sync, what's the cheapest place where I can get that?
2018-04-29T19:17:47 < jadew> I measured a test board and I got 3.4
2018-04-29T19:17:57 < jadew> which is way off from the 4.x I expected
2018-04-29T19:18:41 < sync> Dunno, ordered from goldenphoenix and a few local deals
2018-04-29T19:20:45 < jadew> it's rarely a good deal for me to buy anything from the US
2018-04-29T19:21:16 < jadew> shipping + taxes are killing any deal you can find
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2018-04-29T19:50:59 < Streaker> Why does the absolute dielectric constant matter? If you're able to measure it, can't you just run with the measured value and design according to it?
2018-04-29T19:51:45 < jadew> Streaker, sure, but next time it will probably be a different value
2018-04-29T19:54:52 < BrainDamage> then you're not interested in the average, you're interested in the variance
2018-04-29T19:55:12 < BrainDamage> if it's unreliable, then it's useless
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2018-04-29T23:11:54 < branjb> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/poc-code-published-for-triggering-an-instant-bsod-on-all-recent-windows-versions/
2018-04-29T23:15:24 < Steffanx> heh
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2018-04-29T23:33:15 < Cracki> nice
2018-04-29T23:34:07 < Cracki> btw, this windows defender/antimalware stuff executes all javascript it sees
2018-04-29T23:34:27 < Cracki> in a "sandbox" that might not be all that boxed
2018-04-29T23:36:49 < mitrax> that particular bug is not related to windows defender though, it's in the NTFS driver
2018-04-29T23:37:13 < mitrax> or so it seems from the article
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2018-04-29T23:41:42 < mitrax> but yeah windows defender might do more harm than good... only reason why i haven't disabled it permanently (yet) is that so far they've been super quick to issue patches... 
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2018-04-29T23:46:14 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-29T23:46:32 < Steffanx> Stvn
2018-04-29T23:48:59 < Steffanx> It seems my music worked well for you, stvn
2018-04-29T23:49:13 < kakimir> music please
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2018-04-29T23:50:07 < Laurenceb____> stm32 saesneg
2018-04-29T23:50:18 < Steffanx> kakimir: https://youtu.be/kuTtZOlv63A
2018-04-29T23:50:52 < kakimir> weak
2018-04-29T23:53:50 < stvn> The comments lol
2018-04-29T23:54:01 < stvn> On the article
2018-04-29T23:55:50 < mitrax> kakimir: http://download.unfiltered.net/ktrap.jpg
2018-04-29T23:56:26 < kakimir> *doublelaughters*
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2018-04-29T23:56:31 < kakimir> :D
2018-04-29T23:57:17 < stvn> Dr where are you
2018-04-29T23:58:22 < kakimir> englishman, look at the meme mitrax made
2018-04-29T23:59:45 < Steffanx> Lol did you just photoshop that mitrax ?
--- Day changed Mon Apr 30 2018
2018-04-30T00:00:07 < Steffanx> Love it.
2018-04-30T00:00:17 < mitrax> SteffanX: yeah
2018-04-30T00:00:39 < Steffanx> <3
2018-04-30T00:00:54 < Steffanx> The Kakimeme.
2018-04-30T00:00:55 < mitrax> ahah
2018-04-30T00:00:58 < mitrax> kakmir: btw, is the oven thing finished?
2018-04-30T00:01:06 < stvn> Oven?
2018-04-30T00:01:15 < Steffanx> Dutch oven.
2018-04-30T00:01:21 < kakimir> polish oven
2018-04-30T00:01:25 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-30T00:01:29 < kakimir> not yet
2018-04-30T00:01:44 < kakimir> I need to finish more important sandblasting chamber first
2018-04-30T00:01:45 < mitrax> well i don't know, but i recall the SMA fetish started with a controller board for an oven
2018-04-30T00:01:50 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-30T00:01:56 < kakimir> lpc1517 bob
2018-04-30T00:02:17 < Steffanx> Lpc
2018-04-30T00:03:16 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdUtOa0tXd0J1ekE/view?usp=sharing
2018-04-30T00:03:22 < kakimir> I think I change to infrared heaters
2018-04-30T00:03:39 < kakimir> make it a big toaster essentially
2018-04-30T00:03:58 < kakimir> coil type heat elements would need a fan
2018-04-30T00:04:02 < Steffanx> Oh there it is. The sma board
2018-04-30T00:04:13 < BrainDamage> oh man, the memories
2018-04-30T00:04:27 < kakimir> now tell me it isn't beautiful
2018-04-30T00:04:44 < kakimir> so much elegance
2018-04-30T00:04:55 < stvn> Should I look?
2018-04-30T00:05:10 < BrainDamage> it won't give you hypovolemic shock
2018-04-30T00:05:14 < Steffanx> It lacks vias kakimir 
2018-04-30T00:05:30 < BrainDamage> you can use sma connector footprints in place of vias
2018-04-30T00:05:34 < kakimir> Steffanx, think again
2018-04-30T00:05:51 < Steffanx> Nope. Still not there.
2018-04-30T00:06:00 < Steffanx> Or was this before your via fetish?
2018-04-30T00:06:19 < kakimir> Steffanx, look at your component library and open SMA footprint
2018-04-30T00:06:23 < kakimir> THT type
2018-04-30T00:06:52 < kakimir> now imagine it's grounded shield
2018-04-30T00:07:01 < Steffanx> It needed more..
2018-04-30T00:07:03 < BrainDamage> cads should start providing absolute stats by component used
2018-04-30T00:07:17 < BrainDamage> 'you have been using 13 stm32F307 in your projects'
2018-04-30T00:07:36 < BrainDamage> 'you have been using 54535345 vertical sma connector in your projects'
2018-04-30T00:07:44 < Steffanx> Using proper PDM tools that should be easy
2018-04-30T00:08:00 < BrainDamage> parsing the BOM should be easy
2018-04-30T00:08:58 < kakimir> that rs232 side board I made for lpc1517 is the most the bestest board I have ever made
2018-04-30T00:09:01 < kakimir> such elegance
2018-04-30T00:09:38 < kakimir> can be flipped around and jumpered to work as DTE or DCE
2018-04-30T00:10:23 < kakimir> silkscreen is different for jumpers both side and tells what type of connector to populate and if the side is DTE or DCE
2018-04-30T00:10:47 < BrainDamage> did you use proper microstrip geometry for the lines?
2018-04-30T00:11:18 < kakimir> I don't understand
2018-04-30T00:12:20 < BrainDamage> the reason one uses RF connectors if for signal integrity, you don't want to create an abrupt change in characteristic impedance, the geometry of the trace that's typically used is called microstrip
2018-04-30T00:12:21 < Steffanx> High speed signals...
2018-04-30T00:12:27 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstrip
2018-04-30T00:12:28 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKb1lIMGRBVTluN0k/view?usp=sharing look at this
2018-04-30T00:12:46 < BrainDamage> i know your smas are pointless, but at least attach them to proper pointless traces
2018-04-30T00:12:54 < BrainDamage> of the right geometry
2018-04-30T00:13:23 < kakimir> BrainDamage, I did compromisses
2018-04-30T00:13:39 < BrainDamage> not enough fetishism
2018-04-30T00:13:58 < kakimir> look trace width change from pin row to SMA
2018-04-30T00:14:00 < BrainDamage> la distorsione fa un po cagare ma il riff é carino https://ptpb.pw/mn4w.ogg
2018-04-30T00:14:03 < kakimir> between them is wider
2018-04-30T00:14:04 < BrainDamage> bleh, wrong channel
2018-04-30T00:14:55 < kakimir> I think I had 0.8mm traces to SMAs
2018-04-30T00:15:03 < BrainDamage> yes, my joke was that you should've at least designed proper microstrips
2018-04-30T00:15:18 < kakimir> there is no point
2018-04-30T00:15:28 < BrainDamage> there's no point to smas either
2018-04-30T00:16:03 < stvn> Holes
2018-04-30T00:16:38 < kakimir> BrainDamage, why not use them
2018-04-30T00:16:44 < kakimir> why so much hate
2018-04-30T00:16:58 < kakimir> it's easy to make nice connections
2018-04-30T00:17:09 < kakimir> cheap to buy some chinese patchcords
2018-04-30T00:17:21 < kakimir> no jump wire bullshit
2018-04-30T00:17:35 < kakimir> can't get propper wires!!!
2018-04-30T00:18:20 < BrainDamage> they cost quite a bit, they have mate count in the thousand and only if you have a dynamometric wrench, the signal integrity property is useless for you, they require pth, should i continue?
2018-04-30T00:19:12 < kakimir> signal integrity is bullshit that has no use with the boards I use SMA with
2018-04-30T00:19:21 < BrainDamage> exactly
2018-04-30T00:19:24 < Steffanx> Wut?!
2018-04-30T00:19:43 < Steffanx> 🤷🏿‍♂️
2018-04-30T00:20:45 < stvn> Cotton pickers
2018-04-30T00:20:57 < kakimir> BrainDamage, when shit I do cost totally in thousands
2018-04-30T00:21:07 < kakimir> some chinese SMA 100pcs set is nothing
2018-04-30T00:21:17 < kakimir> patchcords eur piece is nothing
2018-04-30T00:21:53 < Steffanx> But there is no point..
2018-04-30T00:22:09 < kakimir> it's hard to source proper jump wires
2018-04-30T00:22:12 < stvn> Is there ever?
2018-04-30T00:22:23 < Steffanx> You have a point stvn
2018-04-30T00:22:35 < kakimir> with jump wires you need to have seperate ground jump wires
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2018-04-30T00:22:41 < stvn> All kinds of neat old stuff
2018-04-30T00:22:46 < kakimir> jump wires can be easily or accidentally pulled off
2018-04-30T00:23:06 < kakimir> when you cram them in places in quantities
2018-04-30T00:23:21 < kakimir> jump wires give no fetish points
2018-04-30T00:23:37 < stvn> Fetish?
2018-04-30T00:23:42 < Steffanx> And no kakimeme.
2018-04-30T00:23:44 < stvn> Lol wut
2018-04-30T00:24:18 < stvn> Someone has been drinking fuel from the tractor
2018-04-30T00:24:21 < BrainDamage> is kaka shit in finnish?
2018-04-30T00:24:40 < kakimir> kakka
2018-04-30T00:25:22 < kakimir> paska is shit
2018-04-30T00:26:13 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-30T00:27:05 -!- steverrrr__ [~steve@23.134.192.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
2018-04-30T00:27:13 < kakimir> also torttu
2018-04-30T00:27:35 < kakimir> meaning tart in english
2018-04-30T00:28:00 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paska_(bread) interesting
2018-04-30T00:28:57 < kakimir> I wonder
2018-04-30T00:29:41 < stvn> Use N connectors instead
2018-04-30T00:29:55 < kakimir> no point
2018-04-30T00:30:00 < kakimir> SMA is perfect size
2018-04-30T00:30:08 < kakimir> and easilly cheaply sources
2018-04-30T00:30:12 < kakimir> sourced
2018-04-30T00:30:28 < Steffanx> And kakimemed.
2018-04-30T00:31:30 < kakimir> I build a mezzanine tommorow maybe
2018-04-30T00:32:04 < Steffanx> No work tomorrow?
2018-04-30T00:32:11 < kakimir> I opted out
2018-04-30T00:32:22 < Steffanx> Forever?
2018-04-30T00:32:26 < karlp> long weekend dude
2018-04-30T00:32:31 < karlp> tuesday is a holiday
2018-04-30T00:32:36 < Steffanx> No its not
2018-04-30T00:32:42 < Steffanx> What holiday?
2018-04-30T00:32:44 < BrainDamage> 1st of may
2018-04-30T00:32:53 < kakimir> tuesday is a holiday
2018-04-30T00:32:53 < BrainDamage> international workers' day in most countries
2018-04-30T00:32:59 < Steffanx> Oh we dont do that
2018-04-30T00:33:15 < kakimir> are you even a socialist country then?
2018-04-30T00:33:22 < Steffanx> We just work on that day
2018-04-30T00:33:28 < BrainDamage> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/International_Observance_of_Labour_Day.png
2018-04-30T00:33:56 < kakimir> vappu is a big thing in finland
2018-04-30T00:34:02 < kakimir> amongst students
2018-04-30T00:34:15 < karlp> heh, not labour day in finland 
2018-04-30T00:34:17 < Steffanx> We just had kingsday last friday. And thursday next week is this jesus went to heaven fay
2018-04-30T00:34:28 < Steffanx> Day
2018-04-30T00:35:06 < BrainDamage> we had a holiday the 25st of april too
2018-04-30T00:35:29 < kakimir> image search "vappu"
2018-04-30T00:36:34 < kakimir> it's mostly festivity for academic people in here
2018-04-30T00:36:37 < Steffanx> Do you have such white hat/cap kakimir ?
2018-04-30T00:36:57 < kakimir> yes
2018-04-30T00:37:10 < kakimir> but I don't have one with tail
2018-04-30T00:37:12 < Steffanx> And do you go run naked on the street. I heard zyp and co do that.
2018-04-30T00:37:35 < kakimir> it is part of vappu certainly
2018-04-30T00:37:39 < kakimir> I have not done that
2018-04-30T00:38:23 < Steffanx> russefeiring
2018-04-30T00:38:35 < kakimir> universitys have their decorations to their caps
2018-04-30T00:40:56 < kakimir> mech engineering has nut shaped cap
2018-04-30T00:41:09 < kakimir> hexagonical shape
2018-04-30T00:41:14 < kakimir> etc. etc.
2018-04-30T00:41:31 < Laurenceb____> it is a tradition to attack bins on 1st May
2018-04-30T00:41:55 < BrainDamage> ok, I'll swallow the bait, what are bins?
2018-04-30T00:41:59 < BrainDamage> trash cans?
2018-04-30T00:42:01 < kakimir> you are niggers Laurenceb____ 
2018-04-30T00:42:39 < Laurenceb____> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKmqT-Ge9jg
2018-04-30T00:42:58 < kakimir> no offence to black people intended*
2018-04-30T00:43:10 < Laurenceb____>  """people"""
2018-04-30T00:43:17 < Laurenceb____> I see what you did there
2018-04-30T00:43:45 < Laurenceb____> muh heritage
2018-04-30T00:44:02 < BrainDamage> you know that sooner or later someone will beat you up irl, right?
2018-04-30T00:44:39 < kakimir> me or Laurenceb or both=
2018-04-30T00:44:48 < BrainDamage> laurenceb
2018-04-30T00:45:10 < BrainDamage> you don't spout hate speech constantly making a 'joke'
2018-04-30T00:45:28 < Laurenceb____>  >hate speech
2018-04-30T00:45:46 < Laurenceb____> also kakimir was the one using the n word
2018-04-30T00:45:59 < BrainDamage> i said constantly
2018-04-30T00:46:35 < kakimir> this must be ##stm32-daycare
2018-04-30T00:46:35 < Laurenceb____> also
2018-04-30T00:46:45 < Laurenceb____> >taking anything on the internets seriously
2018-04-30T00:47:19 < BrainDamage> I'm not taking you seriously, I'm saying that by keeping to say it you'll end up slipping it irl too
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2018-04-30T00:47:48 < BrainDamage> even if you use it as extremely unfunny joke here
2018-04-30T00:48:26 < BrainDamage> i should probably add more emphasis to unfunny
2018-04-30T00:48:32 < Laurenceb____> The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact. 
2018-04-30T00:48:51 < stvn> LOL
2018-04-30T00:49:06 < BrainDamage> Your jokes suck
2018-04-30T00:49:06 < mitrax> Laurenceb__: yeah! What if you suddenly develop Tourette syndrom ?!
2018-04-30T00:49:07 < kakimir> I wonder if it's possible to understand memetic mummbling of laurenceb IRL
2018-04-30T00:49:11 < BrainDamage> bleh
2018-04-30T00:49:12 < BrainDamage> Ý̴̫͓̟̲̠̞̟̟͓̗͖̗̤͓͖̘͡ò͝͏̭͙͉̬u̪̞̱̙̬̤̳͈̲͢ͅr͞͏̰̮̩͉͇̟̰̞̠̜̣ ̛̱͉̘̜̩̙̤̩̦̱͚͕̀͜͟͠j̨͢҉͇̳̮̱̻̰͓̥͈̲ͅò̶̥̪̬̞̟̥̱̖̗̙̖̟͔̝͞k̛͈̫͇͇̰̘͈͈̠͖̩͙̕͝ͅe̲̹͉̺̯̗̜̪͉̥͡ș̶̶̭̤̻͍̕ ̴̢͕̼̰̹͡͝s͚̫̹͖͓̟̰̠̖̗̣̹̬͙̭̳̭̘̀̀͟͠ù̵͍̥̣͕͎͕̻̙̼̭͙̩͔̩̙̹͘͞ͅç̙͚͈̖͓̰ḱ̸̺͙̱͜͢ͅ
2018-04-30T00:49:17 < BrainDamage> much better
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2018-04-30T00:51:54 < Steffanx> Hmm is that what they call a texted based captcha?
2018-04-30T00:52:14 < mitrax> BrainDamage: on rare occasion it's funny though, i must admit i giggled at the evolution tree he pasted the other day
2018-04-30T00:52:26 < mitrax> not that i'm encouraging any shit posting ... :p 
2018-04-30T00:52:38 < kakimir> I missed that one
2018-04-30T00:53:20 < stvn> I want to see tree
2018-04-30T00:53:49 < Cracki> repost: https://imgur.com/a/FAx8iLN
2018-04-30T00:53:50 < stvn> Can I
2018-04-30T00:54:18 < stvn> Lolwtf
2018-04-30T00:54:24 < karlp> hrm, why doesn't hibernate work on my new pc?
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2018-04-30T00:54:44 < stvn> The nsa
2018-04-30T00:55:17 < Cracki> those who attack trash bins feel oppressed by trash bins
2018-04-30T00:55:22 < Cracki> because they're trash
2018-04-30T00:55:37 < karlp> suspend works fine.
2018-04-30T00:55:40 < Cracki> trash bins are the embodiment of law and order
2018-04-30T00:55:52 < BrainDamage> swap not setup correctly?
2018-04-30T00:56:05 < karlp> don't even know where to find an error for it
2018-04-30T00:56:07 < BrainDamage> you need to also pass the suspend drive path to the kernel at boot
2018-04-30T00:56:10 < karlp> I did "systemctl hibernate"
2018-04-30T00:56:15 < karlp> and it whired a lot and then turned off.
2018-04-30T00:56:16 < BrainDamage> journalctl 
2018-04-30T00:56:48 < BrainDamage> journalctl -b -1 for previous boot
2018-04-30T00:57:33 < jadew> I think I have ADHD or something
2018-04-30T00:57:34 < kakimir> https://i.imgur.com/GuG0at4.mp4
2018-04-30T00:58:30 < mitrax> jadew: me too
2018-04-30T00:58:52 < jadew> I'm in the middle of a couple of tasks right now
2018-04-30T00:58:55 < karlp> all looks to sleep ok, then just fails to wake up
2018-04-30T00:58:57 < karlp> https://zerobin.net/?2e2d1ff8a81eaea5#FhzUJEeT73LWV5NYXXk7bk+RDIRQudnoC5xQLEg/qtM=
2018-04-30T00:59:01 < jadew> because each of them got interrupted by another
2018-04-30T00:59:31 < mitrax> jadew: the internet is bad for you!
2018-04-30T00:59:40 < jadew> it's unrelated to the internet
2018-04-30T01:00:12 < jadew> I started measuring something and ended up writing a program
2018-04-30T01:00:14 < mitrax> jadew: if each of those tasks have a purpose, then it's not ADHD i guess
2018-04-30T01:00:20 < jadew> in the middle of that I started opening up my keyboard :/
2018-04-30T01:00:39 < kakimir> https://i.imgur.com/3xgjYzy.jpg
2018-04-30T01:00:51 < jadew> I guess they do have a purpose
2018-04-30T01:01:09 < mitrax> jadew: you still have your pants on right?
2018-04-30T01:01:20 < jadew> hah
2018-04-30T01:02:48 < Laurenceb____> I see ppl are trying to bully me
2018-04-30T01:03:00 < BrainDamage> karlp: can you check your bootloader spawn params?
2018-04-30T01:03:00 < Laurenceb____> obviously they aren't familiar with my heritage
2018-04-30T01:03:05 < Steffanx> Poor Blaxter.
2018-04-30T01:03:15 < Steffanx> We know about your aunt...
2018-04-30T01:03:25 < Steffanx> What else we have to know?
2018-04-30T01:03:32 < karlp> will that be kernel command line? or from grub? or is that going to be in uefi bios settings?
2018-04-30T01:03:51 < karlp> Apr 29 21:53:26 beros kernel: Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.16.3-200.fc27.x86_64 root=/dev/mapper/fedora-root ro rd.lvm.lv=fedora/root rd.lvm.lv=fedora/swap rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF
2018-04-30T01:04:17 < karlp> I explicitly made a ~40gig swap partition this time so I could do hibernate.
2018-04-30T01:04:22 < Laurenceb____> Steffanx: I am 50% amurican
2018-04-30T01:04:34 < Laurenceb____> that means I get to tell u about ur politics
2018-04-30T01:04:48 < Laurenceb____> or europe will be brazil by 2050
2018-04-30T01:05:25 < karlp> wat
2018-04-30T01:05:44 < stvn> Instruction manual
2018-04-30T01:06:01 < stvn> For stm32 channel
2018-04-30T01:06:53 < Laurenceb____> https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitAmericansSay/comments/6vpjkv/getting_a_tattoo_to_honor_my_heritage_im_half/
2018-04-30T01:07:05 < Laurenceb____> literally muh heritage
2018-04-30T01:07:21 < karlp> oh, apparently swap can't be on the lvm?
2018-04-30T01:07:34 < karlp> why the fuck wouldn't the installer point out that massively critical difference
2018-04-30T01:08:43 < stvn> Because their freedoms
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2018-04-30T01:12:38 < stvn> Because muh heritage
2018-04-30T01:13:30 < stvn> We wuz kangs
2018-04-30T01:15:13 < Cracki> just saw a nice picture of the eiffel tower... kangs all around it, being kangs
2018-04-30T01:17:52 < Laurenceb____> let me tell you about muh great great grandfather who was French
2018-04-30T01:18:13 < Laurenceb____> now allow me to explain the remodelling of the Eiffel tower area 
2018-04-30T01:18:27 < karlp> how about y ou just fucking don't.
2018-04-30T01:18:40 < Laurenceb____> as a murican I am expert on all things French
2018-04-30T01:18:52 < Laurenceb____> like I know that Paris is in London
2018-04-30T01:19:33 < Laurenceb____> dont tell me to be quite, ur probably a muslim or a communist
2018-04-30T01:19:33 < Steffanx> Muh power: /msg chanserv quiet etc..
2018-04-30T01:23:39 < stvn> Lol
2018-04-30T01:24:04 < stvn> I’m almost falling off the chair
2018-04-30T01:24:58 < Steffanx> Train chair?
2018-04-30T01:25:41 < stvn> Yea
2018-04-30T01:29:48 < stvn> Copious amounts of /pol/
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2018-04-30T01:54:54 < karlp> oh, braindamage left.
2018-04-30T01:54:57 < karlp> I got it working.
2018-04-30T01:55:03 < karlp> just followed https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F27_bugs#Hibernation_doesn.27t_work_from_a_standard_install
2018-04-30T01:59:47 < fenugrec> I have never ever managed to get hibernation to work in the > 10 years I've been trying
2018-04-30T01:59:54 < fenugrec> on any linux distro
2018-04-30T01:59:57 < karlp> well, I hadn't tried for years
2018-04-30T02:00:17 < karlp> but I decided I damn well wanted to be able to resume a bit more efficiently 
2018-04-30T02:00:22 < fenugrec> on any of the 4-5 comps I've owned over the years
2018-04-30T02:00:32 < fenugrec> suspend to ram works, thankfully
2018-04-30T02:00:48 < karlp> yeah, I don't really want suspend on the desktop, I mean, it's fine, but it's not as useful
2018-04-30T02:00:59 < karlp> the laptop just suspends all the time and that's never been an issue
2018-04-30T02:01:06 < fenugrec> interesting, I suspend to ram all the time on my deskbox
2018-04-30T02:01:12 < karlp> it's more hibernate for the home desktop so I can turn it off at the wall.
2018-04-30T02:01:20 < fenugrec> yea fair point
2018-04-30T02:01:22 < karlp> wife doesn't like all teh lights that stay on if it's just suspended
2018-04-30T02:01:32 < fenugrec> hehe taped over the lights here
2018-04-30T02:01:33 < karlp> too many dev boards with blinky things
2018-04-30T02:02:07 < karlp> but yeah, I ust hibenated, and turned off the wall power, and turned it on again, and it's all right where I left it :)
2018-04-30T02:02:14 < karlp> no more excuses for not getting things done :)
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2018-04-30T02:46:13 < Laurenceb____> https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1627a175e94541c1934cd10b18a251cf
2018-04-30T02:46:28 < Laurenceb____> Neanderthals invented # sign
2018-04-30T02:46:32 < Laurenceb____> twitter btfo
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2018-04-30T03:14:59 < Laurenceb____> https://www.quora.com/Are-bees-smarter-than-humans
2018-04-30T03:15:38 < Laurenceb____>  >which is smarter, a bee or a cow?
2018-04-30T03:15:40 < Laurenceb____> my sides
2018-04-30T03:17:00 < emeb_mac> bee smart
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2018-04-30T04:33:49 < jadew> to quote from the big bang theory: "They are smarter than SOME humans."
2018-04-30T05:32:12 < day> Steffann
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2018-04-30T05:56:32 < psprint> Hello. It is easy to generate composite video. Have anyone seen nice 10-12 inch LCD monitor with composite input? I.e. a small cute modern monitor but with composite input
2018-04-30T05:57:07 < upgrdman> psprint, i have not looked, but pretty sure the monitors for FPV quad cameras support composite in.
2018-04-30T05:57:21 < upgrdman> check hobbyking.com, ebay, ali, banggood, etc.
2018-04-30T05:57:38 < upgrdman> search for "fpv monitor" etc
2018-04-30T05:57:55 < psprint> thanks
2018-04-30T05:57:59 < upgrdman> np
2018-04-30T06:23:30 < psprint> I'm doing a coffee table desk and would like to have various things displaying, saw a <20' (14 or 12?) monitor in a shop and it looked so cute
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2018-04-30T07:18:28 < psprint> What could you salvage from a cheap TV decoder (DVB-T or something), apparently the multi digit segment display, if it has a driver on separate board, but maybe something more
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2018-04-30T08:36:59 < Steffann> Day
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2018-04-30T10:12:38 < mitrax> Steffann: uh oh
2018-04-30T10:12:50 < mitrax> Steffann: your X is missing, why is your X missing?
2018-04-30T10:12:56  * mitrax rocks back and forth
2018-04-30T10:14:18  * Haohmaru calls 911
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2018-04-30T11:15:38 < stvn> Cause he’s scorping up
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2018-04-30T11:33:45 < Steffann> Timeout. Its my 2nd me, mitraX
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2018-04-30T11:58:49 < mitrax> much better
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2018-04-30T12:29:52 < karlp> psprint: so, you want, small cute, modern, yet archaic?
2018-04-30T12:30:33 < psprint> karlp: not archaic, supporting past industry standard
2018-04-30T12:31:20 < karlp> one of the ways you got the small cute modern wsa by abandonding older stuff
2018-04-30T12:34:09 < psprint> ok, and then someone could have wisdom revelation "to create, you don't need to destroy" (c) L.Torvalds
2018-04-30T12:37:04 < karlp> keep telling yourself that.
2018-04-30T12:37:16 < BrainDama> there's a difference between exposed interface and not, if the kernel gets 10000000 extra function calls only programmers notice, if a monitor does it, it takes space on the limited surface. how would you react if everytime a program changes its ui would keep all the older controls for backwards compatibility?
2018-04-30T12:37:44 < karlp> but linus said....
2018-04-30T12:42:42 < psprint> ok, I didn't need composite in modern monitors up to this moment, fine, but for example I use subversion access on Github, because it allows me to clone just subdirectory not whole project
2018-04-30T12:43:38 < BrainDama> use sparse checkout in git
2018-04-30T12:43:53 < karlp> lurn2git
2018-04-30T12:44:26 < karlp> that's like shooting a hole in your foot because you were hot but didn't realise you could just take your shoes off
2018-04-30T12:44:52 < karlp> svn diff? better fetch it all from the internet again!
2018-04-30T12:45:17 < psprint> it's a checkout, so objects are downloaded anyway, subversion methods downloads only files and only those that are needed
2018-04-30T12:46:10 < psprint> things overlap in various ways, cutting off some branch is like cutting off your dick
2018-04-30T12:47:27 < karlp> what on earh is in your git repo that this matters? did someone commit and then delete a bunch movies or something?
2018-04-30T12:48:52 < psprint> it's in my plugin manager for Zsh, allows to checkout Oh My Zsh's plugins selectively, other plugin managers download whole OMZ and impose some symlinks and stuff on that, I just checkout the plugin. It's possible also to e.g. clone just lib/ subdirectory from OMZ, and load a few libraries
2018-04-30T12:49:38 < karlp> and, you saved what?
2018-04-30T12:50:59 < psprint> OMZ has >200 plugins and >140 themes, I don't download them
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2018-04-30T14:45:27 < Laurenceb__> https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/1.B36120
2018-04-30T14:45:29 < Laurenceb__> kekking
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2018-04-30T15:38:55 < Laurenceb__> I like how they trimmed the graphs
2018-04-30T15:39:16 < Laurenceb__> to cut out all the shit that happens as soon as you nudge their "thrust sensor"
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2018-04-30T16:54:07 < bit_mask> good morning vietnam
2018-04-30T17:05:56 < Steffanx> You love the smell of napalm in the morning?
2018-04-30T17:07:40 < Steffanx> Can you make me happy yet bit_mask ?
2018-04-30T17:07:51 < Steffanx> Where is rob235?
2018-04-30T17:07:55 < bit_mask> not yet
2018-04-30T17:07:57 < bit_mask> he died
2018-04-30T17:08:14 < bit_mask> I dont know if I like this nick though so he may come back
2018-04-30T17:08:22 < Steffanx> Together with all his quirks?
2018-04-30T17:09:19 < bit_mask> of course, except for the drinking, he doesnt do that anymore thankfully
2018-04-30T17:09:45 < mitrax> bit_mask is rob?
2018-04-30T17:09:49 < bit_mask> yea
2018-04-30T17:10:26 < mitrax> why the nickname change?
2018-04-30T17:10:39 < Steffanx> Hes no longer rob
2018-04-30T17:10:59 < bit_mask> I wanted a real nickname, and I like bitmasks, I think they are elegant and show how computers work at the lowest level, as well as this being my mask on my internet persona
2018-04-30T17:11:11 < bit_mask> :)
2018-04-30T17:11:14 < karlp> rob235 isn't a nickname?
2018-04-30T17:11:16  * karlp giggles
2018-04-30T17:15:00  * mitrax pictures rob with a "i like bitmasks" t-shirt
2018-04-30T17:15:23 < bit_mask> :)
2018-04-30T17:17:41 < mitrax> what's your new project? (the thing with the castle like 3D printed parts)
2018-04-30T17:18:26 < bit_mask> yea pen plotter
2018-04-30T17:18:40 < bit_mask> two arms that draw together
2018-04-30T17:18:55 < bit_mask> got another roll of filament coming to print the second arm
2018-04-30T17:19:05 < mitrax> where are the LEDS?
2018-04-30T17:19:11 < bit_mask> oh they are coming, dont you worry
2018-04-30T17:19:17 < mitrax> ahahahahah
2018-04-30T17:23:22 < mitrax> but...why the castle shell?
2018-04-30T17:23:50 < mitrax> and no you won't get away with a "why not?" answer :p
2018-04-30T17:25:03 < bit_mask> It is my first time using a 3d printer and cad software so I wanted to have some fun with it.  I decided to theme it and thought a castle was a good idea because of the shapes involved
2018-04-30T17:25:54 < mitrax> i see
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2018-04-30T17:26:53 < bitmask> this is better
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2018-04-30T18:21:24 < Laurenceb__> arg wut
2018-04-30T18:21:25 < Laurenceb__> https://gist.github.com/mcous/5920089
2018-04-30T18:21:28 < Laurenceb__> stupid avr shit
2018-04-30T18:22:00 < Laurenceb__> can anyone work out why this doesnt compile anything other than a single c file with name==project name  ?
2018-04-30T18:27:13 < karlp> line 33?
2018-04-30T18:27:19 < karlp> how fucking dumb are you sometimes.
2018-04-30T18:27:28 < karlp> it's documented and everything.
2018-04-30T18:29:23 < Laurenceb__> ah
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2018-04-30T19:21:20 < Steffanx> Lol Laurenceb__
2018-04-30T19:24:51 < Steffanx> Real atmel pros use atmel studio
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2018-04-30T19:56:13 < Cracki> ^
2018-04-30T19:56:40 < Cracki> btw, >Karl Marx's hometown Trier is selling commemorative 0 Euro notes for 3 Euros.
2018-04-30T20:01:34 < Laurenceb__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43950171
2018-04-30T20:01:56 < Laurenceb__> le cinema autiste
2018-04-30T20:03:51 < Laurenceb__> typicalonlinedatinggrrrl.jpg
2018-04-30T20:19:42 < Steffanx> <laurenceb__> muh life: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0405422/
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2018-04-30T22:07:43 < zyp> found a bug in my 3d printer code shit and fixed it, found out I forgot to reset a counter when I loaded a new motion block, resulting in the beginning of the first segment (acceleration) being cut off
2018-04-30T22:08:18 < zyp> a bit subtle to find, as the amount cut off depended on the length of the last segment of the previous block
2018-04-30T22:11:49 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/CJcyl.mp4 <- fixing it let me speed up probing a bit
2018-04-30T22:16:44 < Ultrasauce> nice
2018-04-30T22:16:56 < Ultrasauce> what do you think of that printer's hardware btw?
2018-04-30T22:17:43 < Ultrasauce> was thinking of getting one and ditching the electronics because fuck marlin
2018-04-30T22:20:02 < zyp> not super impressed, but it's probably not any worse than the comparable options
2018-04-30T22:21:17 < zyp> this is not mine, I'm just borrowing it because my friend were complaining he had too many 3d printers, and I could use it as a testbed for my own firmware
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2018-04-30T22:23:25 < zyp> https://e3d-online.com/blog/2018/03/21/tool-changer-q/ <- I'm considering maybe buying one of these when they launch
2018-04-30T22:28:04 < Ultrasauce> that's pretty interesting
2018-04-30T22:28:33 < Ultrasauce> prusa on the other hand is pushing the single hot end multimaterial approach
2018-04-30T22:28:43 < zyp> I'm not interested in that
2018-04-30T22:31:40 < bitmask> the single hot end wastes so much filament
2018-04-30T22:32:03 < Steffanx> Yes, i looked at that a bit too. It's fucknig awful
2018-04-30T22:32:22 < zyp> also time
2018-04-30T22:32:30 < bitmask> it averages like 50% waste, or maybe even more
2018-04-30T22:32:31 < Steffanx> but i yet have to see how well that changer works
2018-04-30T22:33:28 < Steffanx> as in a real demo, not some labbed preview.
2018-04-30T22:33:33 < zyp> true
2018-04-30T22:34:08 < zyp> apparently it's not strong enough to carry around a titan aero either, that's a shame
2018-04-30T22:34:24 < zyp> but the frame itself of that machine looks nice too
2018-04-30T22:34:43 < Steffanx> not even a  titan aero.. oops
2018-04-30T22:34:45 < zyp> simple and sturdy
2018-04-30T22:34:58 < Ultrasauce> yeah corexy is pretty neat
2018-04-30T22:35:26 < zyp> corexy is neat, but that frame goes beyond other corexy designs in simplicity
2018-04-30T22:35:37 < zyp> it's just top plate, bottom plate and five vertical extrusions
2018-04-30T22:36:10 < zyp> no need to fuck around getting the frame square and so on
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2018-04-30T22:37:45 < Steffanx> welcome day__ / day
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2018-04-30T22:41:43 < stvn> https://i.imgur.com/Xpuzjaf.jpg
2018-04-30T22:42:53 < Steffanx> wtf game is that mr stvn?
2018-04-30T22:43:36 < stvn> one of those retarded farm games
2018-04-30T22:43:40 < Steffanx> WHY?
2018-04-30T22:44:00 < stvn> ads on the australian news site
2018-04-30T22:46:16 < Steffanx> Time to design your own changer zyp :)
2018-04-30T22:46:37 < zyp> nah, I'll focus on getting this firmware to work first
2018-04-30T22:46:49 < zyp> and then I'll design some nicer hardware to run it on
2018-04-30T22:48:21 < Thorn> what is the minimum silkscreen line width for pcbway.com etc.?
2018-04-30T22:48:35 < Thorn> https://www.pcbway.com/capabilities.html says Minimum Character Width(Legend): 0.15mm, maybe they mean line width
2018-04-30T22:49:48 < Thorn> a character 0.15mm wide would be really small, thir silkscreen is certainly not good enough
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2018-04-30T23:03:16 < rajkosto> i use 0.127mm line width silk
2018-04-30T23:03:18 < rajkosto> looks fine
2018-04-30T23:03:32 < rajkosto> if you dont need to fit as much as i do, use 0.15 sure
2018-04-30T23:03:37 < rajkosto> 1mm or 1.5mm height ?
2018-04-30T23:08:20 < Steffanx> but try a character width of 0.15 instead rajkosto ;)
2018-04-30T23:08:48 < rajkosto> im sure they mean line width
2018-04-30T23:08:56 < rajkosto> or the thing a character is a dot
2018-04-30T23:09:09 < Steffanx> :P
2018-04-30T23:10:09 < Thorn> maybe they mean 1 or I
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2018-04-30T23:14:57 < jpa-> i have some seeed boards here with 0.5mm wide characters, they look quite ok, but yeah 0.15mm sounds like line width :P
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2018-04-30T23:32:19 < Steffanx> Just put the pcb in a box or molt it and you'll never have to look at the silk again :P
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2018-04-30T23:59:51 < antto> pffff
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