--- Log opened Tue May 01 00:00:08 2018
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2018-05-01T00:05:08 < stvn> Hi Steffanx where is Laurence
2018-05-01T00:10:01 < Steffanx> Idk. Idc
2018-05-01T00:10:13 < Steffanx> How was your day antto 
2018-05-01T00:10:26 < Steffanx> And hi mr superbia1 
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2018-05-01T00:21:08 < stvn> Hi stvn
2018-05-01T00:24:07 < stvn> Steffan do you want to build a Linux only hackerspace
2018-05-01T00:25:04 < Steffanx> Lol, accoeding to the jews that Iranian guy (Hamilton) lied to us... No nukes in iran he said :D
2018-05-01T00:25:25 < Steffanx> Yes. Can we use your basement stvn?
2018-05-01T00:27:27 < stvn> Yes sir
2018-05-01T00:27:35 < stvn> It’ll fit 3 ppl
2018-05-01T00:27:47 < stvn> Which is more than we’re likely to find
2018-05-01T00:28:45 < Steffanx> And cats.
2018-05-01T00:30:00 < stvn> Indeed
2018-05-01T00:30:39 < stvn> I wonder if the computer shop has 500gb SSDs today
2018-05-01T00:31:48 < Steffanx> You buy such thing online right?
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2018-05-01T00:35:03  * karlp just bought one.
2018-05-01T00:35:07 < karlp> why would you not?
2018-05-01T00:39:16 < Steffanx> i dont really need it, but i dont really have to care about running out of space for a while either.
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2018-05-01T00:42:07 < karlp> yeah, I had a 240, and I had a few things that didn't fit still,
2018-05-01T00:42:15 < karlp> so I was buying a new one, and got 500 nvme.
2018-05-01T00:42:17 < Steffanx> With some dual boot system i tend to run out of space pretty wuick
2018-05-01T00:42:42 < karlp> I had a 128 at work for a while, and that was too tight. 500 is very comfy dont have to think about most things
2018-05-01T00:43:02 < karlp> got a 6gig rust drive for the rest of it, and that's purely photos and music
2018-05-01T00:43:08 < karlp> 6T sorry
2018-05-01T00:43:11 < Steffanx> No need to cleanup your download folder anymore :P
2018-05-01T00:43:43 < karlp> never cleanup download folder
2018-05-01T00:44:37 < zyp> hmm
2018-05-01T00:44:48 < karlp> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/OP7Hmg57.html
2018-05-01T00:45:03 < zyp> I had a 180G that I filled up last year, so I bought a 500G and reinstalled on that
2018-05-01T00:45:30 < zyp> still using less of the 500G than the 180G, even though I think I've copied everything important over to the 500G
2018-05-01T00:46:51 < karlp> zyp: yeah, I got into a pit of a whole heap of unused shit from prior installs somehow not being cleaned up.
2018-05-01T00:47:28 < karlp> clearly, you don't actually _do_ anything with your comptuer :)
2018-05-01T00:47:42 < zyp> hmm, ~ is 4G larger on the new drive than the old one, that's consistent with copying everything important over
2018-05-01T00:47:56 < zyp> /Applications is 3.1G on the new one, 30G on the old one :p
2018-05-01T00:49:09 < zyp> hmm
2018-05-01T00:49:28 < Steffanx> Inception as in the movie?
2018-05-01T00:49:46 < zyp> ~/Downloads is only 38G, I expected it to make up more of ~
2018-05-01T00:50:10 < Steffanx> You negative attitude is worring superbia1 
2018-05-01T00:50:16 < Steffanx> Are you doing well?
2018-05-01T00:50:35 < karlp> opewnrt buildroot is 22G, Ithink that' sonly got one target in it at the moment
2018-05-01T00:50:40 < karlp> that grows a lot with multiple targets
2018-05-01T00:51:05 < englishman> wtf is LSM330DTR
2018-05-01T00:51:14 < stvn> https://www.ebay.com.au/i/152999576869
2018-05-01T00:51:19 < karlp> ahh no, I have one target, two revisions, so gcc 5.5 and gcc 7.3, that adds up quick
2018-05-01T00:51:38 < Steffanx> Something obsolete englishman 
2018-05-01T00:51:43 < zyp> Steffanx, looks like it's named after the movie, referencing «going deeper»
2018-05-01T00:51:46 < englishman> there is no info at all on this chip but it's $$$ on digikey (and ONLY digikey) and i need a ton of em tomorrow
2018-05-01T00:52:27 < Steffanx> Ah ok zyp
2018-05-01T00:52:54 < stvn> Hi sir
2018-05-01T00:54:05 < Steffanx> No info englishman?
2018-05-01T00:54:32 < Steffanx> Its just a tape&reel version of the non-TR.
2018-05-01T00:54:36 < stvn> How do you know what it is
2018-05-01T00:54:51 < Steffanx> Hah. Better sleep superbia1 
2018-05-01T00:54:59 < englishman> of LSM330D?
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2018-05-01T00:55:09 < Steffanx> Want me to post some lullaby music superbia1 ?
2018-05-01T00:55:13 < englishman> because LSM330DLC is a different package
2018-05-01T00:55:14 < Steffanx> Yes sir, englishman 
2018-05-01T00:55:23 < englishman> and LSM330D is not on st's site
2018-05-01T00:56:12 < Steffanx> I googled it. Downloaded datasheet from mouser
2018-05-01T00:56:21 < Steffanx> And it lists D and DTR
2018-05-01T00:56:27 < Steffanx> Lga28 something
2018-05-01T00:56:47 < englishman> yeah 3x5.5
2018-05-01T00:57:30 < Steffanx> x1.0 yes
2018-05-01T01:01:36 < Steffanx> Better buy from avnet europe. I can also order them and bring them personally :P
2018-05-01T01:02:30 < Steffanx> https://youtu.be/W-vBu2rf8TI
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2018-05-01T01:22:21 < stvn> Just fuck me in the egghole
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2018-05-01T01:24:38 < psprint> Guys I've enumerated hardware that I own, what project can be done with it? For fancy coffee-desk? http://psprint.blinkenshell.org/project.html
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2018-05-01T01:28:22 < emeryth> remove keycaps from keyboards and use them to spell DONGS all over the desk
2018-05-01T01:28:41 < emeryth> then project rainbow over it
2018-05-01T01:32:10 < jadew> you didn't use the otating light bulb
2018-05-01T01:32:14 < jadew> *rotating
2018-05-01T01:32:59 < psprint> I know it is funny but you didn't feel how it is to make coffee at a featured desk/table, I already have some stuff
2018-05-01T01:34:25 < jadew> BrainDamage, sync, is it possible to accurately measure the S11 of a DUT, inside a fixture you can't measure?
2018-05-01T01:37:02 < BrainDamage> strictly speaking for the definition, S11 requires all other ports to be closed on matched impedances, if you assume that's the case, yes, you can measure S11 with just one port
2018-05-01T01:37:44 < jadew> BrainDamage, yeah, but I want to remove the port from the measurement
2018-05-01T01:37:48 < jadew> I only want to measure the DUT
2018-05-01T01:38:16 < BrainDamage> not sure I understand what you mean
2018-05-01T01:39:20 < jadew> leaving parasitic components out of it, I basically want to correct the phase
2018-05-01T01:39:44 < jadew> (added by the connectors and additional transmission lines)
2018-05-01T01:39:52 < BrainDamage> no, what exactly do you want to measure
2018-05-01T01:39:56 < BrainDamage> what device
2018-05-01T01:40:05 < jadew> a diode
2018-05-01T01:40:29 < BrainDamage> ok, so you have a diode, which i suppose it's used as power meter
2018-05-01T01:41:08 < BrainDamage> you can just plug it in your VNA and tell it to sweep the params, after you close the output to a matched impedance
2018-05-01T01:41:09 < jadew> no, in this case it just sits on a trace, I want to characterise its small signal properties (not biased)
2018-05-01T01:41:32 < jadew> so it's currently behaving like a shunt capacitor on a microstrip
2018-05-01T01:42:07 < BrainDamage> ok, then plug that line input to your vna, what I said still applies
2018-05-01T01:42:27 < BrainDamage> make sure the other end of the microstrip is closed to a matched impedance or the other end of your VNA
2018-05-01T01:43:17 < jadew> yeah, but the thing is that because of the electric length of the fixture the phase of the reflected signal is different than what it should be, so the S11 data gets skewed
2018-05-01T01:43:26 < jadew> and I can't find a way to gate it just right
2018-05-01T01:44:20 < BrainDamage> as first order approximation the microstrip will introduce a linear phase shift in frequency
2018-05-01T01:44:25 < BrainDamage> aka delay
2018-05-01T01:44:26 < jadew> I've been trying to put a gate on top of the diode, but I don't trust the measurement, because any change in the gate's position (even by 1 mm or less) completely changes the response
2018-05-01T01:44:53 < BrainDamage> what's your working frequency?
2018-05-01T01:45:15 < jadew> yeah, but I don't know where on the microstrip the diode is (electrical length wise)
2018-05-01T01:45:26 < jadew> I'm trying to characterize it to 10 GHz
2018-05-01T01:46:11 < BrainDamage> an error of 3mm should give you ~10% error in the measurement
2018-05-01T01:46:32 < BrainDamage> are both ends of the waveguide closed to a _well_ matched impedance?
2018-05-01T01:46:33 < jadew> that's enough to put it from capacitive to inductive
2018-05-01T01:46:38 < jadew> yeah
2018-05-01T01:46:48 < jadew> it's a full 12 term calibration
2018-05-01T01:46:59 < jadew> and both ports are connected
2018-05-01T01:49:23 < BrainDamage> that's weird that such short change give you a full 90 deg rotation, the strip's epsilon must be pretty high
2018-05-01T01:49:35 < BrainDamage> to have such reduction in wavelength
2018-05-01T01:50:14 < jadew> well, not 90 degrees, but maybe 30-40
2018-05-01T01:50:18 < jadew> which is still a lot
2018-05-01T01:51:18 < jadew> anyway, I was wondering if there's some trick to doing something like this with confidence
2018-05-01T01:51:41 < BrainDamage> the only thing that comes to mind is desolder it, characterize the waveguide without, then solder it back
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2018-05-01T01:51:57 < BrainDamage> afterwards you'll have a reliable measurement
2018-05-01T01:52:02 < jadew> was also thinking that it would be cool if there were some training boards you could use to make sure you get a particular result
2018-05-01T01:53:14 < jadew> yeah, I guess that's the only option
2018-05-01T01:53:36 < jadew> not that it's a big deal to do that, but I want to measure a bunch of other stuff
2018-05-01T01:53:50 < jadew> and was hoping that I can measure them properly without going through this each time
2018-05-01T01:54:55 < BrainDamage> unfortunately your physical tollerance is rather small, I would go even as far as tell you to transfer to another waveguide with smaller epsilonr so the wavelength is longer and you have more slack in the mounting ...
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2018-05-01T01:55:29 < jadew> that makes sense
2018-05-01T01:55:32 < jadew> thanks
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2018-05-01T02:30:37 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpa4kp4lK60
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2018-05-01T02:55:57 < kakimir> hello EE daycare
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2018-05-01T02:56:42 < Laurenceb___> arg
2018-05-01T02:56:46 < Laurenceb___> muh tarduino
2018-05-01T02:56:54 < Laurenceb___> anyone used used arduino uno?
2018-05-01T02:56:58 < kakimir> that's what I mean
2018-05-01T02:57:13 < Laurenceb___> I'm trying to send data at 230400baud but I suspect something is breaking
2018-05-01T02:57:15 < kakimir> I have one for some bullshit
2018-05-01T02:57:30 < Laurenceb___> wonder if its the second avr doing usb/uart
2018-05-01T02:57:30 < kakimir> you mad
2018-05-01T02:57:47 < kakimir> you are lucky if you get solid 9600
2018-05-01T02:58:01 < Laurenceb___> kek
2018-05-01T02:58:07 < Laurenceb___> its not _that_ bad
2018-05-01T02:58:16 < kakimir> there is some buffer flush things you need to consider
2018-05-01T02:58:24 < Laurenceb___> I was trying to work things out
2018-05-01T02:58:34 < kakimir> something like flush first and then flush all the time
2018-05-01T02:58:35 < Laurenceb___> the tx led goes out after ~15s
2018-05-01T02:58:44 < kakimir> oh 15seconds :/
2018-05-01T02:58:44 < Laurenceb___> then if I connect on pc it lights up again
2018-05-01T02:58:57 < Laurenceb___> and the first few tens of bytes are junk
2018-05-01T02:59:02 < Laurenceb___> its all very strange
2018-05-01T02:59:10 < Laurenceb___> at lower baud rates tx led never goes out
2018-05-01T02:59:28 < Laurenceb___> link to flush stuff?
2018-05-01T03:00:29 < kakimir> oh flush is only for receive?
2018-05-01T03:00:33 < kakimir> how would I know
2018-05-01T03:00:52 < kakimir> but all affects everything
2018-05-01T03:01:01 < kakimir> in such dodgy system
2018-05-01T03:02:48 < kakimir> is there sources for the uart converter thing?
2018-05-01T03:02:56 < kakimir> or whatever bootloader chip it is
2018-05-01T03:06:46 < Laurenceb___> yeah I'll have a read
2018-05-01T03:15:15 < Thorn> is there anyone else in this channel who has never seen an ardweeno irl (even a clone)
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2018-05-01T03:28:02 < Laurenceb___> heh Thorn
2018-05-01T03:39:59 < kakimir> I did get one and I have never actually used it to do anything
2018-05-01T03:40:02 < kakimir> tried it out
2018-05-01T03:40:19 < kakimir> missed my debugger the first second I tried it
2018-05-01T03:40:49 < kakimir> simple variations of led blink can be done without debugger
2018-05-01T03:41:02 < kakimir> when talking about production code
2018-05-01T03:43:31 < Laurenceb___> yeah
2018-05-01T03:43:43 < Laurenceb___> no debug is rage inducing
2018-05-01T03:44:05 < kakimir> I did nice led blinker at works
2018-05-01T03:44:07 < kakimir> for attiny20
2018-05-01T03:46:11 < kakimir> once i did need to use leds to debug
2018-05-01T03:46:18 < kakimir> outputting binary
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2018-05-01T04:16:45 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/sSthZav.png
2018-05-01T04:17:56 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOB1rgJMCN8
2018-05-01T04:18:13 < jadew> long are the days when those videos were made by gray beards
2018-05-01T04:19:26 < jadew> now they're made by red bush
2018-05-01T04:19:28 < jadew> I like that
2018-05-01T04:20:05 < jadew> but somehow I can't listen to anything she's saying
2018-05-01T04:20:21 < jadew> I guess I'd rather have the old farts back
2018-05-01T04:21:06 < jadew> not even sure how I ended up there
2018-05-01T04:26:44 < bitmask> remind me to stay away from you
2018-05-01T04:28:01 < jadew> you're a hot readhead?
2018-05-01T04:29:04 < bitmask> it looks like my dick is a rocket during liftoff, falcon heavy style
2018-05-01T04:29:42 < bitmask> not really but I wanted to put that image in your head
2018-05-01T04:30:26 < jadew> there's only room for pusy
2018-05-01T04:30:49 < kakimir> jadew, :D
2018-05-01T04:31:18 < bitmask> your own dick isnt even involved? thats sad
2018-05-01T04:31:40 < jadew> you found a loophole, didn't you :)
2018-05-01T04:32:00 < bitmask> I win
2018-05-01T04:33:23 < bitmask> ugh, got a 24 hour or so print I gotta get ready for thursday. its gonna be a lot of wasted plastic if I screw it up
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2018-05-01T05:19:37 < Cracki> does it need to be one continuous piece?
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2018-05-01T07:55:36 < branjb> >Little known fact: The average engineering major has a higher verbal SAT score than the average English major.
2018-05-01T07:55:40 < branjb> I don't believe that for a second
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2018-05-01T07:57:04 < jadew> doesn't sound accurate when you think about the pure geeks
2018-05-01T07:57:08 < jadew> but it could be on average
2018-05-01T07:57:29 < jadew> because engineers are smarter than the... other type of people
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2018-05-01T08:01:02 < jadew> branjb, it also makes sense if you consider the high correlation between SAT and IQ scores
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2018-05-01T08:01:44 < jadew> if it's biased towards IQ, rather than knowledge in a particular field, it makes lot of sense
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2018-05-01T10:18:14 < dongs> god damn fucking mouser
2018-05-01T10:18:25 < dongs> ordered 100 F0s, they come in that shitty fucking this side up foam box
2018-05-01T10:18:37 < dongs> how the shit im gonna dicknplace this
2018-05-01T10:19:57 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/R2D0tgZ.jpg good fucking job
2018-05-01T10:28:25 < srk> by hand obviously :D
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2018-05-01T10:40:56 < PaulFertser> dongs: were you using the tape&reel ordering code?
2018-05-01T10:42:07 < Steffanx> Dont you have a sliderish feeder for your pick 'n place?
2018-05-01T10:42:36 < dongs> PaulFertser: im not gonna pay them extra for mousereel or whatever, comeon
2018-05-01T10:42:46 < dongs> Steffanx: its ok, i already tmoved them into tray
2018-05-01T10:42:50 < dongs> i had one from my last verical order
2018-05-01T10:42:53 < dongs> for that size chips
2018-05-01T10:42:59 < dongs> i didnt bother with verical this time cuz mouser was cheapr
2018-05-01T10:43:47 < Steffanx> Lolyou.
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2018-05-01T11:17:35 < stvn> Yeah
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2018-05-01T14:06:12 < kakimir> have you guise heard of reactos?
2018-05-01T14:06:21 < kakimir> open source windows NT
2018-05-01T14:06:28 < kakimir> slash XP
2018-05-01T14:12:34 < kakimir> let's try it!
2018-05-01T14:14:30 < kakimir> I hope it makes XP obsolete
2018-05-01T14:14:45 < kakimir> installer size 100MB
2018-05-01T14:14:56 < kakimir> I wonder how much it packs stuff in it
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2018-05-01T14:41:51 < karlp> kakimir: iirc, arduino changed the definition form flush from flush output, to flush input some point int eh past.
2018-05-01T14:42:24 < kakimir> tell laurenceboi
2018-05-01T14:43:56 < karlp> nah, he won't pay attention anyway, and I don't know if it's relevant to his problems,
2018-05-01T14:44:04 < karlp> just mentioning to you taht it changed.
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2018-05-01T15:00:15 < Steffanx> Welcome superbia1 
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2018-05-01T17:06:53 < Laurenceb___> muh heritage
2018-05-01T17:08:15 < Laurenceb___> https://ii.yuki.la/7/41/6dfbdeb9dc15f46907dab15fbe532ce7e84ec7cb078ea175652c776cb73f7417.png
2018-05-01T17:12:04 < bitmask> I dont get it
2018-05-01T17:12:10 < bitmask> and whats NEET
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2018-05-01T17:12:49 < kakimir> hello daycare32
2018-05-01T17:13:06 < bitmask> good morning
2018-05-01T17:13:24 < kakimir> indeed
2018-05-01T17:28:53 < Steffanx> Day do you care?
2018-05-01T17:29:10 < kakimir> nope
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2018-05-01T17:31:40 < kakimir> how do I mask certain bits
2018-05-01T17:31:49 < kakimir> I want to make a macro
2018-05-01T17:32:09 < kakimir> one mask
2018-05-01T17:32:18 < kakimir> from what bit and how many
2018-05-01T17:32:39 < Thorn> #define MASK(a, bit) (a & ~(1 << bit))
2018-05-01T17:32:42 < Thorn> for one bit
2018-05-01T17:33:00 < Thorn> ((a) & ~(1 << (bit)))
2018-05-01T17:33:23 < kakimir> I want multiple bits
2018-05-01T17:33:32 < kakimir> to mask different stuff in registers
2018-05-01T17:34:02 < kakimir> get rid of some of that manual initial register configuration work
2018-05-01T17:34:07 < Laurenceb___> Not in Education, Employment, or Training == NEET
2018-05-01T17:34:23 < kakimir> yes Laurenceb___ 
2018-05-01T17:34:26 < kakimir> my dream
2018-05-01T17:34:34 < Laurenceb___> kek
2018-05-01T17:34:36 < Thorn> #define MASK2(a, bit1, bit2) ((a) & ~((1 << (bit1)) | (1 << (bit2)))
2018-05-01T17:34:37 < Laurenceb___> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/assets/42978.0/1489528.jpg
2018-05-01T17:34:40 < Laurenceb___> peak emdrive
2018-05-01T17:35:01 < kakimir> Thorn, arbitrary number of bits
2018-05-01T17:35:06 < kakimir> in row
2018-05-01T17:35:36 < kakimir> Laurenceb___, has nasa secret space flight used emdrives yet?
2018-05-01T17:35:51 < Laurenceb___> dude emdrive is fake
2018-05-01T17:36:00 < kakimir> most certainly
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2018-05-01T17:37:18 < Thorn> kakimir: take -1, cast to decltype(value), shift right by # of bits in value - # of bits in mask, shift left by starting position of the mask
2018-05-01T17:37:25 < Thorn> something like that
2018-05-01T17:37:43 < kakimir> hmm
2018-05-01T17:37:56 < kakimir> yes left shifting is the key
2018-05-01T17:38:16 < kakimir> *right
2018-05-01T17:38:36 < kakimir> no
2018-05-01T17:39:01 < kakimir> let's think about this whole evening
2018-05-01T17:42:16 < Laurenceb___> reee I have to walk to RS
2018-05-01T17:42:19 < Laurenceb___> muh life sucks
2018-05-01T17:43:39 < kakimir> walk to RS?
2018-05-01T17:44:45 < kakimir> http://rsdelivers.com/
2018-05-01T17:44:46 < kakimir> ?
2018-05-01T17:46:18 < kakimir> Thorn, I didn't understand how it would result in bitmask I want
2018-05-01T17:46:29 < bitmask> :o
2018-05-01T17:47:42 < Thorn> you need to mask n contiguous bits starting at some position m? like 0001111100?
2018-05-01T17:47:50 < Thorn> where 1 = bits that need masking
2018-05-01T17:47:58 < bitmask> for (i = 3; i < 6; i++) mask |= 1<<i;
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2018-05-01T17:51:47 < kakimir> I want macro
2018-05-01T17:51:58 < kakimir> only macro will do
2018-05-01T17:54:41 < kakimir> how about shifting zeros to one filled mask from both sides?
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2018-05-01T17:57:01 < Thorn> kakimir: that's exactly what I suggested
2018-05-01T18:01:25 < kakimir> that -1 thing distracts me
2018-05-01T18:02:01 < kakimir> and decltype
2018-05-01T18:02:06 < mitrax> kakimir: you want to mask N contiguous bits starting at pos P?
2018-05-01T18:02:10 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-01T18:02:39 < mitrax> something like this then #define mask_bits(v, pos, n) (v & (((1 << n) - 1) << pos))
2018-05-01T18:03:17 < kakimir> did you just made it up?
2018-05-01T18:03:26 < kakimir> *did you just make it
2018-05-01T18:04:03 < kakimir> where did you pull it from?
2018-05-01T18:04:16 < mitrax> yes, but it's nothing complicated, you shift left with the number of bits then -1 to set the next bits to 1, i.e 1000 becomes 111, and then you left shift
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2018-05-01T18:07:46 < kakimir> ohh
2018-05-01T18:07:49 < kakimir> -1
2018-05-01T18:09:40 < Thorn> how do you update components from library in altium without trashing their values
2018-05-01T18:09:49 < jpa-> just be careful if you try to generate a mask of 0x7FFFFFFF that way :P
2018-05-01T18:10:22 < jpa-> (by default 1 is signed int and shifting it to the sign bit is undefined behaviour)
2018-05-01T18:10:48 < mitrax> yeah well 1UL then :) 
2018-05-01T18:11:27 < jpa-> then be careful if you try to make 0xFFFFFFFF :P
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2018-05-01T18:15:37 < Thorn> that is why I suggested casting -1 to an appropriate unsigned type
2018-05-01T18:16:12 < kakimir> (uint32_t)-1
2018-05-01T18:16:31 < kakimir> (uint32_t)(-1)
2018-05-01T18:16:34 < kakimir> like this?
2018-05-01T18:17:08 < kakimir> wait but then it isn't arimethric operation anymore
2018-05-01T18:19:37 < mitrax> jpa-: 1ULL then :) assuming your compiler supports 64bits integers, but right that's only ok if n and pos are known at compile time
2018-05-01T18:19:53 < kakimir> those are known
2018-05-01T18:20:03 < kakimir> like.. I said it's a macro
2018-05-01T18:21:12 < kakimir> #define mask_bits(v, pos, n) (v & (((1ULL << n) - 1) << pos)) is the right answer?
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2018-05-01T18:22:59 < mitrax> kakimir: well that should work, there might be a better way to do it though
2018-05-01T18:23:31 < jpa-> you might want to cast the result to uint32_t though, otherwise all operations you do with that will be 64-bit
2018-05-01T18:23:41 < mitrax> yeah
2018-05-01T18:23:42 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-01T18:24:02 < kakimir> #define mask_bits(v, pos, n)  (uint32_t)(v & (((1ULL << n) - 1) << pos))
2018-05-01T18:24:09 < jpa-> i'd just do    #define mask_bits(v, pos, n) ((((uint32_t)-1) >> (32-n)) << pos)
2018-05-01T18:25:02 < jpa-> and v & somewhere there
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2018-05-01T18:25:39 < mitrax> much better 
2018-05-01T18:26:48 < mitrax> didn't realize that was what Thorn was suggesting all along :)
2018-05-01T18:27:32 < kakimir> v is what?
2018-05-01T18:27:43 < mitrax> kakimir: the value you mask against
2018-05-01T18:28:05 < kakimir> it would be useful
2018-05-01T18:44:25 < kakimir> #define mask_bits(v, pos, n) (v&((((uint32_t)-1) >> (32-n)) << pos))
2018-05-01T18:49:40 < kakimir> I don't still understand how it works
2018-05-01T18:50:07 < kakimir> it fills ones from MSB direction
2018-05-01T18:50:44 < kakimir> then moves them back
2018-05-01T18:50:50 < kakimir> by pos
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2018-05-01T18:51:21 < mitrax> kakimir: it's the same principle, except you turn all bits to 1, then get rid of the unused bits by shifting right by (32-n), the bits on the left will be set to 0 after that, then you left shift as before
2018-05-01T18:51:58 < kakimir> anyway
2018-05-01T18:52:01 < kakimir> I trust you
2018-05-01T18:52:08 < mitrax> kakimir: but it's better cause you don't have any overflow problem as before with the +1
2018-05-01T18:52:09 < Thorn> I have an idea
2018-05-01T18:53:10 < Thorn> I'm going to connect the other led in the rj45 connector to the mcu and light it up when the device receives a reply from a DHCP server
2018-05-01T18:53:23 < kakimir> bitshifts and || && | & are my weakness
2018-05-01T18:53:35 < kakimir> basically I just google and do some guesswork
2018-05-01T18:53:41 < kakimir> and copy old code
2018-05-01T18:54:23 < Thorn> kakimir: any C job interview will include questions about bit ops (and 2's complement signed numbers)
2018-05-01T18:54:23 < mitrax> kakimir: i'm sure there are plenty of resources online that will teach you how that works, it's really not that complicated
2018-05-01T18:55:48 < kakimir> like.. when I code a while I kind of get the touch how things work
2018-05-01T18:57:01 < kakimir> but after a while I need to check specifics about how arimethric shift did stuff
2018-05-01T19:01:17 < kakimir> and check & && and | || what was what
2018-05-01T19:03:56 < Laurenceb___> https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/991274273355522049
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2018-05-01T19:31:12 < Steffanx> Lol kakimir.
2018-05-01T19:32:26 < kakimir> irony is that I has work where I actually do C codings too
2018-05-01T19:32:29 < kakimir> no problemo
2018-05-01T19:44:35 < Thorn> Altium Disaster
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2018-05-01T19:44:55 < Thorn> why can't I see component pin names in the pcb editor
2018-05-01T19:45:35 < Thorn> why, when a tool is selected (like Interactive Routing), you can't even open the main menu until you press esc at least twice?!
2018-05-01T19:47:31 < kakimir> they probs hired some kicad developers
2018-05-01T19:50:14 < kakimir> and asked them "how can we make this worse?"
2018-05-01T19:50:55 < kakimir> just joking.. kicad the best
2018-05-01T19:53:22 < kakimir> sometimes I get frustrated with all the apparent changes over bugfixing and making stuff work really well
2018-05-01T20:06:32 < Steffanx> Thorn, because you have to close the window and exit the current tool. Why is that so weird
2018-05-01T20:07:18 < Steffanx> and you cant see the pin names because you should zoom in futher?
2018-05-01T20:07:39 < Steffanx> o no that's the netnames, not hte pin names
2018-05-01T20:14:01 < Thorn> exactly
2018-05-01T20:15:33 < kakimir> I think I need to go to #kicad and have my "dear santa" thing
2018-05-01T20:16:08 < kakimir> I would enjoy seeing fields in schematic editor when I hover cursor over schematic symbols
2018-05-01T20:20:57 < Steffanx> hah
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2018-05-01T22:29:01 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e5v-I2Hrjyc8YTt6XwoQeel67JaJgjjK/view?usp=sharing
2018-05-01T22:32:59 < kakimir> jees
2018-05-01T22:33:01 < mitrax> wtf, is that a pasta cake?
2018-05-01T22:33:12 < kakimir> well paid.
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2018-05-01T22:50:51 < zyp> jpa-, how does nanopb handle maps?
2018-05-01T22:51:05 < Steffanx> Nov 23, you still have that food superbia1?
2018-05-01T22:54:24 < jpa-> zyp: it will decode them as arrays, see https://github.com/nanopb/nanopb/tree/master/tests/map
2018-05-01T22:55:29 < zyp> I tried generating, got some callback stuff, I guess that's normal behavior for arrays without a max_count specified?
2018-05-01T22:55:47 < zyp> so if I specify max_count I'll get an array instead of the callback?
2018-05-01T22:57:29 < zyp> yes, good
2018-05-01T22:57:30 < jpa-> yeah
2018-05-01T22:57:50 < zyp> hmm
2018-05-01T23:01:02 < zyp> I want to make a SetPosition command and I need to be able to specify which axes to set, I'm wondering which makes more sense of making a map<uint32, float>, or making a plain array and a bitfield of active axes
2018-05-01T23:02:31 < zyp> from a higher layer perspective, the map makes sense, I imagine the python side will just take a dict directly
2018-05-01T23:03:12 < zyp> but on the embedded side, the map will take twice as much space in the struct
2018-05-01T23:03:22 < zyp> … which doesn't really matter
2018-05-01T23:03:57 < jpa-> yeah, i'd design to make the .proto more sensible than to optimize for memory
2018-05-01T23:05:24 < zyp> by the way, nanopb's stream interface, is there any easy way of processing 64B chunks at a time?
2018-05-01T23:06:42 < zyp> as far as I understand the API, it's nanopb that decides how much data to consume at a time, not me that decides how much to feed it
2018-05-01T23:08:11 < zyp> right now I've got a separate endpoint to transfer motion blocks, that feeds directly into the buffer it executes from
2018-05-01T23:08:51 < zyp> but it'd be nice to have that also in the same protocol
2018-05-01T23:09:08 < jpa-> yeah, that's the way the API currently works; i agree that from the application point of view one would like to incrementally feed pb_decode() data and have it return back until you have more
2018-05-01T23:09:43 < jpa-> it kind of assumes threads
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2018-05-01T23:10:27 < zyp> eventually I'd like the protocol to support variable number of axes and stuff
2018-05-01T23:12:38 < zyp> is there any upper bound on how much data protobuf will read at a time?
2018-05-01T23:13:43 < zyp> another thing I might do is just split up blocks into chunks and stream chunks
2018-05-01T23:15:40 < zyp> I figure USB is probably not going to be a significant bottleneck in any way
2018-05-01T23:15:56 < zyp> oh, and streaming chunks means I could run larger blocks than fits in RAM anyway
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2018-05-01T23:42:07 < zyp> wtf
2018-05-01T23:42:35 < zyp> jpa-, I think nanopb is misbehaving
2018-05-01T23:43:03 < zyp> pb_encode is returning false
2018-05-01T23:43:05 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/wCvwF
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2018-05-01T23:48:09 < rajkosto> anybody know how to detect if partition is exFAT or FAT32 when using fatFS with exFAT support enabled ?
2018-05-01T23:49:05 < stvn> the fat king
2018-05-01T23:50:26 < rajkosto> the RAT king
2018-05-01T23:50:27 < rajkosto> we are the RATS
2018-05-01T23:52:26 < rajkosto> i can just check fs->fs_type == FS_EXFAT but usually libs provide a func for this
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2018-05-02T00:02:36 < antto> the same way you test if there's voltage across two wires - with yer tongue
2018-05-02T00:02:49  * antto runs
2018-05-02T00:03:51 < antto> my hdd tastes like ext4, but there's a hint of old ntfs too
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2018-05-02T00:18:00 < zyp> jpa-, nevermind, pebkac
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2018-05-02T01:08:17 < Laurenceb__> muh avr
2018-05-02T01:08:28 < Laurenceb__> muh avr sensor thing is runningat 3.1khz
2018-05-02T01:08:37 < Laurenceb__> which is annoying as its supposed to be 3.6
2018-05-02T01:09:41 < Laurenceb__> anyone here used i2c on avr?
2018-05-02T01:10:35 < Laurenceb__> atm I'm only getting about 75% of the theoretical throughput
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2018-05-02T01:18:17 < Steffanx> y u AVR?!
2018-05-02T01:19:08 < Steffanx> There is no good reason (except for legacy) to use AVR mr Laurenceb__ 
2018-05-02T01:19:22 < Laurenceb__> Steffanx: wurk project
2018-05-02T01:19:28 < Laurenceb__> avr 8 bit
2018-05-02T01:19:35 < Laurenceb__> atmega328p, its a tarduino
2018-05-02T01:20:59 < stvn> your heritage
2018-05-02T01:21:08 < Laurenceb__> muh heritage is 56% avr
2018-05-02T01:21:36 < stvn> muh heritage MC68HC908GP32
2018-05-02T01:21:50 < Laurenceb__> I guess this i2c library must be bloated
2018-05-02T01:22:17 < Steffanx>  Wut superbia1 ?!
2018-05-02T01:23:02 < stvn> olol nxp ate freescale
2018-05-02T01:23:51 < Steffanx> Y u no ask superbia1?
2018-05-02T01:26:23 < Laurenceb__> https://github.com/pietern/avr-i2c
2018-05-02T01:26:26 < Laurenceb__> muh bloatware
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2018-05-02T01:58:55 < Laurenceb__> there is only one solution
2018-05-02T01:58:57 < Laurenceb__> https://avrhelp.mcselec.com/using_the_i2c_protocol.htm
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2018-05-02T02:21:48 < Laurenceb__> I'm using text editor on lunix
2018-05-02T02:23:11 < Laurenceb__> maybe avr users are too n00b to have written decent i2c codez
2018-05-02T02:24:02 < Laurenceb__> lul everyone is copypastering https://github.com/pietern/avr-i2c
2018-05-02T02:28:28 < stvn> How do I i2c Laurence
2018-05-02T02:28:51 < stvn> I’ve never dunnit
2018-05-02T02:30:40 < stvn> I’m the SPI guy
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2018-05-02T03:26:26 < jadew> just discovered a shortcut by mistake
2018-05-02T03:26:47 < jadew> don't know how I missed it, but just in case: alt + escape = minimize
2018-05-02T03:27:14 < jadew> and tried something and it works, so nice
2018-05-02T03:27:22 < jadew> alt + shift + escape = unminimize
2018-05-02T03:27:28 < jadew> so you can quickly go back and forth
2018-05-02T03:27:50 < jadew> keeps track of the order in which you minimize them
2018-05-02T03:27:57 < jadew> this is great
2018-05-02T03:28:20 < jadew> at least I think it's minimize
2018-05-02T03:28:54 < jadew> it's not minimize, I just have a ton of windows and it seemed that way
2018-05-02T03:29:01 < jadew> it cycles through the windows
2018-05-02T03:29:10 < jadew> not that cool anymore
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2018-05-02T03:45:35 < Laurenceb__> ooh I have a new jerb description
2018-05-02T03:47:18 < Laurenceb__> >Elicit requirements for noise and vibration monitoring, logging, processing and display.
2018-05-02T03:51:47 < Ultrasauce> illicit requirements
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2018-05-02T04:16:45 < Laurenceb__> well now I understand
2018-05-02T04:21:56 < Laurenceb__> atlastitrulysee.jpg
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2018-05-02T05:12:09 < dongs> innovation
2018-05-02T05:12:38 < dongs> < jadew> don't know how I missed it, but just in case: alt + escape = minimize
2018-05-02T05:12:41 < dongs> the fuck you talkin about
2018-05-02T05:12:42 < dongs> does nothing here
2018-05-02T05:13:08 < jadew> it's not minimizing
2018-05-02T05:13:10 < jadew> I thought it does
2018-05-02T05:13:17 < jadew> it just cycles through windows
2018-05-02T05:13:39 < dongs> it doesnt do anything at all here
2018-05-02T05:13:51 < dongs> but i have the "help me be a retard and rearrange windows when I barely move them" option off
2018-05-02T05:14:15 < jadew> I don't think it has to do with that
2018-05-02T05:14:30 < jadew> this seems more like a direct alt tab
2018-05-02T05:14:39 < dongs> judew
2018-05-02T05:14:42 < dongs> grab a window titlebar
2018-05-02T05:14:43 < dongs> hold button
2018-05-02T05:14:47 < dongs> and shake it left/right
2018-05-02T05:14:58 < jadew> why?
2018-05-02T05:15:02 < dongs> just do it
2018-05-02T05:15:07 < dongs> checking if that option is on
2018-05-02T05:15:08 < jadew> I know what it does
2018-05-02T05:15:12 < jadew> ah, it is
2018-05-02T05:15:14 < dongs> then its on
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2018-05-02T05:51:41 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/a/m5rRO9u second prototype finished
2018-05-02T05:52:22 < dongs> wtf is taht big chip under discoveryt headers
2018-05-02T05:52:28 < dongs> lattice?
2018-05-02T05:52:32 < dongs> o yeah it is
2018-05-02T05:52:37 < aandrew> yep
2018-05-02T05:52:46 < aandrew> I need to buy some ultrasonic sauce
2018-05-02T05:52:52 < aandrew> this board needs a good clean
2018-05-02T05:53:05 < dongs> it needs more 00805 passives
2018-05-02T05:53:46 < aandrew> the stm32f7 nucleo is overkill for this but for a proto it's good
2018-05-02T05:53:55 < aandrew> yeah I like my human scale prototype passives thank you very much
2018-05-02T05:54:01 < aandrew> prod will probably be 0201 or 0402
2018-05-02T05:54:56 < aandrew> stm32 does ethernet and generates a nice controlled pulse, the fpga routes it to one of 24 fet drivers (4 per little driver board)
2018-05-02T05:55:15 < Ultrasauce> im not for sale
2018-05-02T05:55:17 < aandrew> stm32 also does simultaneous triple adc to measure i/v and photodiode response
2018-05-02T05:55:25 < aandrew> Ultrasauce: lol
2018-05-02T05:56:22 < aandrew> every man has his price
2018-05-02T05:56:33 < aandrew> some just happen to be dollar menu kind of guys
2018-05-02T05:56:51 < Ultrasauce> oof
2018-05-02T05:57:04 < aandrew> gotta get some SMA-BNC pigtails though
2018-05-02T05:57:32 < aandrew> er MCX not SMA
2018-05-02T05:57:35 < aandrew> I wish they were SMA
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2018-05-02T06:00:14 < aandrew> hm, I have some BNC to SMA, but I don't think I have SMA to MCX
2018-05-02T06:00:46 < dongs> mmcx is best
2018-05-02T06:00:56 < aandrew> those are tiny aren't thy
2018-05-02T06:00:57 < aandrew> they
2018-05-02T06:01:01 < aandrew> ufl is tiniest and shittiest
2018-05-02T06:01:04 < dongs> yea im trolling
2018-05-02T06:01:05 < dongs> ufl is great
2018-05-02T06:01:26 < dongs> don't be a kakimir
2018-05-02T06:03:35 < aandrew> ufl is fine for something that's not often disconnected
2018-05-02T06:06:21 < aandrew> 30cm r/a male MCX to BNC male, 2pk $36 with prime
2018-05-02T06:06:22 < aandrew> not bad
2018-05-02T06:07:06 < aandrew> can get 'em cheaper if I want to wait a year
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2018-05-02T06:49:27 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/PwhdcXM.jpg
2018-05-02T06:58:09 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/MkD8yJz.jpg
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2018-05-02T07:54:25 < branjb> Are you an empowered Technical Team Partner with the drive to transform ideas into sustainable value? 
2018-05-02T07:55:16 < Ultrasauce> yes :(
2018-05-02T07:55:45 < branjb> HR / recruiters / job postings get more and more ridiculious every year
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2018-05-02T08:05:48 < englishman> are you looking to make $800 tonight? must bring your own gun and know sql
2018-05-02T08:15:44 < jpa-> zyp: you can cleanly split protobuf at field boundaries and decode incrementally to same struct, if you want
2018-05-02T08:16:34 < jpa-> zyp: but if you have large submessages, those cannot be easily split because it would need storing the current decoding state to continue from
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2018-05-02T08:28:25 < con3> I'm curios, the stm32f22ze says it can do 54 Mbit/s on its SPI lines. Is this possible with HAL or pretty much bare metal?
2018-05-02T08:28:46 < dongs> it has nothing to do with hal
2018-05-02T08:28:54 < dongs> thats just the max clock SPI peripheral can do
2018-05-02T08:29:02 < dongs> which is usually? 1/2 apb/ahbclock or whatever
2018-05-02T08:31:45 < con3> dongs: Ok great, so I'f I've got two of them running in slave mode, with both coupled to a dubble buffer DMA, 24 MHZ should not be an issue at all?
2018-05-02T08:31:59 < dongs> not at all, you don't even need F7 for that really.
2018-05-02T08:32:20 < dongs> whether you can actually process that data at 24mhz once its in your DMA buffers, thats another issue
2018-05-02T08:32:38 < dongs> but receiving it and sticking it into memory should be no problem
2018-05-02T08:32:42 < con3> by process you mean?
2018-05-02T08:32:48 < dongs> i mean do whatever it is you wanna do with it
2018-05-02T08:32:56 < dongs> you're not just receiving shit for the hell of it right
2018-05-02T08:33:12 < con3> eh just want to perform sort and send out to an sdcard via 4 bit SDIO
2018-05-02T08:33:29 < dongs> probably doable if you're careful
2018-05-02T08:34:07 < dongs> i'd be more worried about sdcard write/stalling
2018-05-02T08:34:15 < dongs> hopefulyl you're not expecting to be writing that 24/7
2018-05-02T08:34:23 < con3> a few seconds
2018-05-02T08:34:26 < dongs> should be ok.
2018-05-02T08:34:34 < con3> just bursts of data
2018-05-02T08:35:21 < con3> my greatest worry is generating the control signal, spi will be running in slave but the interfacing device doesn't provide a CS signal, so i'll need to use timers or something to generate it, not sure how ill be doing it
2018-05-02T08:35:43 < dongs> cs for what, to begin reception?
2018-05-02T08:35:59 < con3> yep, beginning and end of transmission
2018-05-02T08:37:05 < con3> its pulses of 96 bits in parallel to both spi interfaces
2018-05-02T08:37:32 < dongs> i could be wrong but i think you can setup SPI to just receive whenever there's clock
2018-05-02T08:37:43 < dongs> as long as your receive frame is fixed size you can just configure dma and fire it away
2018-05-02T08:38:07 < con3> clock is freerunning, so its always there, thats more why I'll need to generate it. The clock only goes away when power does
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2018-05-02T09:23:48 < jpa-> con3: a few seconds can be rather problematic also, because SD cards can pause up to 100 ms by spec (and up to 500 ms in practice), so you'd need 600kB+ of buffer memory to make sure you can always capture it
2018-05-02T09:24:09 < dongs> yeah
2018-05-02T09:24:17 < jpa-> but perhaps for bursts you can do better with the "prepare for write" low level command etc.
2018-05-02T09:24:39 < jpa-> or just hook up SDRAM and be safe
2018-05-02T09:24:42 < con3> jpa: damn that's a lot..
2018-05-02T09:24:59 < con3> uhm
2018-05-02T09:25:15 < jpa-> whatever you do, write to a single file - if you write to multiple files simultaneously, speed drops a lot
2018-05-02T09:26:07 < con3> Even with a single file, would I need that big of a buffer? Thought of using around 32kb buffers initially
2018-05-02T09:26:17 < dongs> how much data?
2018-05-02T09:26:24 < dongs> 96bit * 24mhz * ?
2018-05-02T09:26:39 < con3> 96 bit would be one packet on a single line
2018-05-02T09:26:49 < con3> so it would be two lines to each spi line
2018-05-02T09:26:52 < jpa-> con3: well, SD cards don't always pause, so most of the time it will work with smaller buffers
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2018-05-02T09:26:58 < con3> simultaneously at 24 Mhz
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2018-05-02T09:27:08 < dongs> and whats the period between 96bits
2018-05-02T09:27:24 < jpa-> the annoying thing is that there is very little control over when it does pause
2018-05-02T09:27:25 < dongs> how often does new shit arrive
2018-05-02T09:27:54 < con3> Just gimme a sec, got to check 
2018-05-02T09:28:23 < Haohmaru> that thing you call "shit" is PRECIOUS DATA, dongs!
2018-05-02T09:30:22 < con3> Around 180 nanoseconds between end of one packet to the next
2018-05-02T09:31:26 < con3> jpa: That's scary indeed, what causes the pause?
2018-05-02T09:32:13 < con3> but the 180 will be once I scale it
2018-05-02T09:32:40 < con3> I plan on pushing through max 288 bits every sampling period
2018-05-02T09:32:49 < con3> on each line
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2018-05-02T09:37:45 < PaulFertser> con3: SD cards are actually NAND memory with a microcontroller doing wear leveling etc.
2018-05-02T09:38:11 < PaulFertser> con3: so you can not expect any fully consistent behaviour from them.
2018-05-02T09:38:45 < con3> Ah I see! 
2018-05-02T09:39:26 < PaulFertser> And of course your results will depend on specific implementation, and each vendor might show different results even for the same "model".
2018-05-02T09:39:42 < con3> still 100ms to 500ms seems very long, with the speeds some of them promise
2018-05-02T09:39:54 < PaulFertser> Throughput is not latency
2018-05-02T09:39:58 < dongs> all the devices that write to SD have huge buffers
2018-05-02T09:40:07 < dongs> the ones that expect fast writes, that is
2018-05-02T09:40:36 < PaulFertser> con3: if it's just a one-off device you might give it a try with a small buffer and several different cards. One might work.
2018-05-02T09:41:24 < PaulFertser> con3: another trick: you might want to try filling all the partition with zeroes using block writes every now and then.
2018-05-02T09:41:56 < con3> Thanks PaulFertser, I think in the future using a FMC might be a better option 
2018-05-02T09:41:58 < PaulFertser> And better not repartition it or use another filesystem. The controller firmwre might be optimized for fat32 only.
2018-05-02T09:43:32 < con3> Anyway that I could reliably generate a very fast CS signal for this? I get a pulse saying data is about to come out, All I need then is the line to activate the spi for the amount of bits and then deactivate it again? but this needs to happen *quite* quick
2018-05-02T09:44:51 < dongs> you could use a latch w/reset
2018-05-02T09:44:55 < dongs> latch it on pulse
2018-05-02T09:44:58 < dongs> then reset in dma_tc
2018-05-02T09:45:03 < dongs> (external hardware)
2018-05-02T09:45:08 < dongs> to genrate your spi_Cs
2018-05-02T09:46:42 < con3> that could work, I take it timers are way too slow?
2018-05-02T09:46:53 < dongs> no, you could probly do that, just seems kinda silly
2018-05-02T09:47:12 < dongs> i geuss you could use ETR or whatever on a timer to start/stop it?
2018-05-02T09:47:26 < con3> thats what I thought of doing
2018-05-02T09:47:28 < dongs> and setup a very long period so the thing stays low
2018-05-02T09:47:46 < dongs> yeah, that works too
2018-05-02T09:48:22 < con3> perfect, thanks dong, jpa & PaulFertser, might be back with a few more questions
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2018-05-02T11:14:21 < kakimir> do you know any thin wetting glue
2018-05-02T11:14:35 < kakimir> that actually forms elastic glue
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2018-05-02T11:22:04 < kakimir> wet stuff like CA but for glue like epoxy/polyurethane
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2018-05-02T12:29:47 < jpa-> con3: there is also a low-level command for SD cards called ACMD23 that gives the card some time to prepare for a big write - depending on the card that might help, but it requires support from whatever filesystem libraries you use
2018-05-02T12:33:31 < jpa-> kakimir: there are plenty of low-viscosity polyurethane and epoxy resins, just not in normal hardware stores
2018-05-02T12:34:12 < jpa-> kakimir: if you can't order from real suppliers, you can try epoxy paint
2018-05-02T12:35:27 < kakimir> interesting
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2018-05-02T12:48:11 < karlp> Laurenceb___: found something right up your alley: http://vortexengine.ca/index.shtml
2018-05-02T12:48:58 < stvn> hi sir
2018-05-02T12:49:53 < stvn> einstein quote - definitely a scam
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2018-05-02T12:54:32 < mitrax> hi
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2018-05-02T12:57:10 < mitrax> reminds me of the E-cat scam, i wonder if that's still active
2018-05-02T12:58:47 < karlp> con3's "generate cs" soudns like a problem waiting for a greenpak solution
2018-05-02T12:59:46 < BrainDamage> just apply the crackpot index
2018-05-02T12:59:47 < BrainDamage> http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
2018-05-02T13:01:29 < stvn> hi 
2018-05-02T13:02:01 < BrainDamage> hello
2018-05-02T13:02:28 < karlp> BrainDamage: that vortex engine shit was on a natgeo "documentary" thing on tv here last night
2018-05-02T13:02:46 < karlp> mixed in with some other mostly more realistic future energy stuff
2018-05-02T13:04:13 < BrainDamage> I've seen once a documentary on a water based car, fortunately the transmission had the decency to acknowledge the emails of protests sent afterwards and admitted there was no scientific basis for it
2018-05-02T13:07:54 < stvn> oh yes
2018-05-02T13:08:09 < stvn> the water fuelled hydrogen believers 
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2018-05-02T14:11:00 < psprint_> Is there a 1.2V voltage standard? Weird question, but I'm suspecting chinese guys wrongly translated "1.2V" to "V1.2", as spec of the part differs from 5V version
2018-05-02T14:11:29 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CwK2DPfEBpTgle9WF0YTTEcC9kKhmxUX/view?usp=sharing GNU windows
2018-05-02T14:11:47 < kakimir> see those icons
2018-05-02T14:12:08 < kakimir> lunix seeps in
2018-05-02T14:12:14 < karlp> psprint_: what doyou mean by standard?
2018-05-02T14:12:53 < karlp> kakimir: well, they can't just steal windows icons.
2018-05-02T14:13:24 < psprint_> karlp: I would rather postpone the question now, I've looked inside and they enumerated logic high/low voltages, supply voltage, it's 5V, so they really meant version-1.2 by "v1.2". I think 3.3V is a standard and 5V is a standard (TTL)
2018-05-02T14:15:02 < karlp> there's plenty of 1.2 and 1.8v io too.
2018-05-02T14:15:19 < psprint_> ahso
2018-05-02T14:15:34 < kakimir> karlp, and there is really no problem using them
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2018-05-02T14:20:46 < zyp> psprint_, what's this about?
2018-05-02T14:20:55 < dongs> wasted 2 hours of my time to watch black panther. what utter fucking shit
2018-05-02T14:21:00 < dongs> i dont even know why i bother with marvel crap
2018-05-02T14:21:06 < dongs> boring shit full of niggers
2018-05-02T14:22:06 < psprint_> zyp: 1602 lcd module, I have a QAPASS one, it is different from all other modules with signal timing requirements, I suspected that maybe other apparently-matching docs are actually for 1.2V hence the difference, but no
2018-05-02T14:22:18 < zyp> unlikely
2018-05-02T14:22:39 < zyp> 1.2V IO standards are mostly high speed shit
2018-05-02T14:22:42 < zyp> e.g. LPDDR3
2018-05-02T14:22:47 < dongs> or mipi dsi
2018-05-02T14:22:52 < dongs> what hte fuck 1.2V
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2018-05-02T14:23:53 < zyp> you probably won't see anything lower than 1.8V on low speed stuff
2018-05-02T14:24:00 < zyp> at least I haven't
2018-05-02T14:24:34 < tomeaton17> how can you easily convert a board cutout into a board outline in altium? oshpark doesnt like board cutouts
2018-05-02T14:24:47 < dongs> which one, < 18 or > 18
2018-05-02T14:25:09 < zyp> wtf is the difference between outline/cutout?
2018-05-02T14:25:17 < dongs> cuz they changed gko stuff
2018-05-02T14:25:21 < dongs> in 17?+ i think
2018-05-02T14:25:27 < dongs> where you could just draw stuff on ther before
2018-05-02T14:25:33 < dongs> now its specific keepout tracks
2018-05-02T14:26:08 < dongs> this jap software I run in XP VM to print labels is getting an upgrade, switching to "cloud version"
2018-05-02T14:26:12 < tomeaton17> dongs 18.1.6
2018-05-02T14:26:22 < dongs> the only "sales point" seems to be "works on mac"
2018-05-02T14:26:24 < zyp> haha
2018-05-02T14:26:26 < dongs> everything else is a downgrade
2018-05-02T14:26:29 < zyp> what label printer?
2018-05-02T14:26:38 < dongs> i.e. instead of hdd-space dependent storage for addreses etc
2018-05-02T14:26:45 < dongs> its now arbitrary shit like 999 entries
2018-05-02T14:26:46 < dongs> etc
2018-05-02T14:26:58 < dongs> zyp, its for jap kuroneko shipping
2018-05-02T14:27:04 < dongs> their own labels or whatnot
2018-05-02T14:27:10 < zyp> oh, okay
2018-05-02T14:27:33 < zyp> sounds annoying
2018-05-02T14:27:36 < dongs> extremely
2018-05-02T14:27:44 < dongs> i don't even understand how they'er gonna do printing from fucking browser-based trash
2018-05-02T14:27:55 < dongs> probably fucking PDFs or some other garbage, going to be a fucking mess
2018-05-02T14:27:58 < dongs> XP app is going away in october
2018-05-02T14:28:03 < Haohmaru> easy - they gonna eat 1GB of ram for it
2018-05-02T14:28:15 < dongs> they surely will
2018-05-02T14:28:20 < dongs> as chrome is one of supported browsers
2018-05-02T14:28:28 < Haohmaru> nais ;]
2018-05-02T14:28:30 < tomeaton17> so would the easiest thing to be to generate the files in altium 17?
2018-05-02T14:28:36 < zyp> I bought some brother label printer shit, it just pops up as a normal printer
2018-05-02T14:28:39 < dongs> tomeaton17: what do you wnat to do exactly
2018-05-02T14:28:54 < dongs> to do board cutout, you ened to do 2 things
2018-05-02T14:29:04 < dongs> 1) define the actual cutout with a region thats marked as 'cutout' in properties
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2018-05-02T14:29:11 < dongs> 2) draw its outline on keepout layer for the gerber
2018-05-02T14:29:26 < tct> dongs, can you tell me what this capacitor symbol drawn by altium is? https://www.screencast.com/t/j4dpVOfPdK
2018-05-02T14:29:37 < tomeaton17> okay, I missed the second step. Will do that now.
2018-05-02T14:29:40 < zyp> so I made my webstore spit out a page with print css, so I just open that in chrome and hit print
2018-05-02T14:29:40 < dongs> yeah, shit not connected
2018-05-02T14:29:51 < zyp> no need to fuck around with retarded software
2018-05-02T14:30:01 < tct> dongs, but that's due to not having the copper planes poured, right?
2018-05-02T14:30:13 < tct> oh, never mind
2018-05-02T14:30:20 < dongs> i dont know, are those vias assigned to GND>?
2018-05-02T14:30:22 < dongs> and yes, probably
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2018-05-02T14:30:39 < dongs> wow what the hell
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2018-05-02T14:30:47 < dongs> does tectu just do drive-by tech support now
2018-05-02T14:30:48 < zyp> tct, yes and yes
2018-05-02T14:30:49 < dongs> join, ask, and leave
2018-05-02T14:31:14 < zyp> tct, just tell altium to remove error markers
2018-05-02T14:31:16 < tct> dongs, I hit the wrong button ;-)
2018-05-02T14:31:19 < tct> zyp, lol
2018-05-02T14:31:21 < dongs> 'tm'
2018-05-02T14:31:24 < dongs> no, really
2018-05-02T14:31:25 < zyp> tct, I'm serius
2018-05-02T14:31:27 < dongs> they're annoying while y ou work
2018-05-02T14:31:36 < dongs> if you know that shit's not connected
2018-05-02T14:31:37 < tct> aah, that makes sense
2018-05-02T14:31:38 < tct> thanks!
2018-05-02T14:31:38 < zyp> they'll pop right back next time you run DRC of course
2018-05-02T14:31:41 < dongs> they only appear after tdr
2018-05-02T14:31:53 < tct> is there a shortcut to run the DRC w/o dicking around in dialogs?
2018-05-02T14:32:03 < dongs> < dongs> they only appear after tdr
2018-05-02T14:32:13 < dongs> ^ tectu
2018-05-02T14:32:46 < zyp> anything that has a menu option has a shortcut, look at the underlined letter in the menu option
2018-05-02T14:33:27 < zyp> tct, also, is this the same board you needed to finish by monday last week? :p
2018-05-02T14:33:37 < Haohmaru> >:)
2018-05-02T14:33:48 < Haohmaru> * deadline intensifies
2018-05-02T14:34:24 < tct> zyp, just dicking around with various options. it's all good & in production.
2018-05-02T14:34:30 < tct> thanks for your help, guys
2018-05-02T14:34:33 < tct> much appreciated as always
2018-05-02T14:35:20 < zyp> dongs, do you have experience with any usb hub chips?
2018-05-02T14:35:55 < tct> yes.
2018-05-02T14:36:12 < karlp> pretty sure he used one of the genessys ones
2018-05-02T14:36:32 < karlp> I've only used the smsc2640 which is hub+sdcardreader
2018-05-02T14:36:39 < zyp> I think we talked about some 2-port shit once
2018-05-02T14:36:53 < zyp> but now I need more
2018-05-02T14:44:39 < englishman> genesys
2018-05-02T14:45:42 < englishman> idk about 2port
2018-05-02T14:45:53 < englishman> but for $1 just don't connect em
2018-05-02T14:45:54 < karlp> genesys is the go to cheap in china, but still works, aiui
2018-05-02T14:46:14 < con3> karlp: How so?
2018-05-02T14:46:30 < zyp> englishman, yeah, now I'd like something like a 7-port one
2018-05-02T14:47:04 < karlp> well, you should probably be able to jsut make do without a CS at all, but if you'd like a CS, and you need to change it from a pulse at start to a cs signal wrapping a bunch of bits from another one, its the sort of thing the greenpaks sell themselves at doing
2018-05-02T14:47:09 < englishman> karlp: it was 1/10 the price of cypress, and didn't have any of the problems we had with the cypress hub
2018-05-02T14:47:38 < englishman> pretty sure 7port are just two 4port hubs. Even the microchip ones that are just one chip
2018-05-02T14:48:11 < zyp> might be, guess 4 is enough for a first board anyway
2018-05-02T14:50:26 < karlp> englishman: yeah, I remember your issues with it :)
2018-05-02T14:50:39 < zyp> Laurenceb___, did you do any measurement on how accurate the SOF pulse is between multiple devices on different hubs?
2018-05-02T15:11:47 < jpa-> i know from a work project that it is better than 10µs, but that should be no surprise :P
2018-05-02T15:13:59 < dongs> zyp, yeah sure
2018-05-02T15:14:09 < dongs> genesys and smcc shit
2018-05-02T15:14:12 < dongs> and alcor
2018-05-02T15:14:22 < dongs> there's nothing really to "experience" shit just works
2018-05-02T15:14:27 < dongs> especially gl
2018-05-02T15:16:04 < zyp> cool
2018-05-02T15:16:49 < zyp> so GL850G? how's availability for the different packages? same same?
2018-05-02T15:17:41 < dongs> how many ports do you need?
2018-05-02T15:17:44 < dongs> 850g works great.
2018-05-02T15:17:46 < dongs> and is cheap as shit in china
2018-05-02T15:17:47 < dongs> in tssop20
2018-05-02T15:18:07 < dongs> you don't really need the qfp one unless you want per-port leds or overcurrent shutoff etc
2018-05-02T15:18:42 < zyp> don't need any of that shit
2018-05-02T15:18:47 < dongs> yep then tssop works
2018-05-02T15:19:56 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/BLNqd44.png
2018-05-02T15:20:14 < zyp> it's for 3d printer shit where I'll put 12 or 24V supply and USB in one connector, I figure best way to start is by making a hub with 12/24V input that rest of shit can plug into
2018-05-02T15:20:29 < karlp> it's a gingle TT hub if that matters for you zyp
2018-05-02T15:20:38 < dongs> > 3d printer
2018-05-02T15:20:40 < dongs> so probly not
2018-05-02T15:20:48 < zyp> karlp, yeah, I saw they had multi TT stuff also
2018-05-02T15:21:04 < dongs> doesnt singlett only matter if youre mixing LS/FS shit with HS 
2018-05-02T15:21:24 < zyp> no, it matters if you're mixing multiple FS devices
2018-05-02T15:22:13 < zyp> a single TT hub can do at most 12 Mb/s shared across all FS devices, a multi TT hub can do 12 Mb/s per TT
2018-05-02T15:22:38 < zyp> i.e. 4x12 Mb/s for a four port hub with TT per port
2018-05-02T15:23:47 < zyp> it could be useful since I'll be sending data to multiple devices simultaneously, but not significanty so
2018-05-02T15:33:37 < dongs> anyway, i dont recall where my smsc design is, but alcor shit was pretty much just datasheet schematic as well. AU6254, this was like 10 years ago
2018-05-02T15:33:53 < dongs> and i think smsc is sold to microchip or atmel or some other shit now so who knows
2018-05-02T15:34:50 < zyp> yeah, smsc is microchip now
2018-05-02T15:35:00 < Haohmaru> remind me to make a little "shit" counter.. that counts who says "shit" how many times per day.. hour.. minute
2018-05-02T15:35:12 < dongs> Haohmaru: focus on more important things in life
2018-05-02T15:35:26 < dongs> like, try not to shit yourself working too hard
2018-05-02T15:35:28 < Haohmaru> i can't, i'm distracted by some certain "shit"
2018-05-02T15:35:38 < zyp> grep -c shit irclogs/Freenode/##stm32.log
2018-05-02T15:35:38 < zyp> 38772
2018-05-02T15:35:49 < zyp> you're welcome
2018-05-02T15:36:01 < Haohmaru> that's not detailed enough
2018-05-02T15:37:19 < englishman> just get the MTT one they are cheap
2018-05-02T15:37:28 < zyp> Haohmaru, it comes out to a bit less than 17 per day on average
2018-05-02T15:38:04 < zyp> (the log is about 2296 days worth)
2018-05-02T15:39:00 < englishman> shit thats a lot
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2018-05-02T15:41:50 < mitrax> tct: i assume you use dma2d in ugfx if it's available right?
2018-05-02T15:48:45 < psprint_> I've decided to store carefully gathered datasheets & other docs in Github repo. I have F767 reference manual and a "description" of this MCU, do I miss "datasheet" maybe? https://github.com/psprint/electronics-doc/tree/master/f7-hw
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2018-05-02T15:56:06 < karlp> you're wasiting your time, and git is a terrible way of keeping a pdf library.
2018-05-02T15:56:54 < zyp> what karlp said
2018-05-02T15:57:19 < karlp> on _top_ of that, made a markdown file, didn't make them links?! what sort of amateur hour shit is this.
2018-05-02T15:57:31 < zyp> grep -c shit irclogs/Freenode/##stm32.log
2018-05-02T15:57:31 < zyp> 38772
2018-05-02T15:57:37 < zyp> whoops, wrong button
2018-05-02T15:57:50 < Haohmaru> ur counter is broken
2018-05-02T15:57:58 < zyp> shit
2018-05-02T15:58:06 < psprint_> karlp: this way it's file-list oriented, not hypertext-oriented
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2018-05-02T15:58:49 < karlp> yes, but your markdown can link to the files.
2018-05-02T15:59:10 < zyp> MCU_Reference_Manual_DM00224583.pdf is also a pretty useless filename
2018-05-02T15:59:19 < karlp> still, just keep them locally in a nice tree.
2018-05-02T15:59:21 < zyp> nether that nor the description mentions that this is RM0410
2018-05-02T15:59:46 < psprint_> zyp: thanks
2018-05-02T16:00:16 < zyp> at least, remembering the RM numbers is the main way I look them up
2018-05-02T16:00:57 < zyp> the DM numbers are too long to be useful
2018-05-02T16:00:58 < karlp> I remname them all to RMxxx_rY - blah
2018-05-02T16:01:07 < karlp> and they change all the time anyway :)
2018-05-02T16:01:36 < zyp> I don't really bother with renaming at all, I just hit ctrl-shift and search for the RM number
2018-05-02T16:04:24 < karlp> well, I keep the obsolete ones, and if I don't name them nicely, the gnome search thing helpfully offers me _alllll_ of the ones with the RM number.
2018-05-02T16:04:29 < BrainDamage> i throw them in calibre and add the rm code as tag
2018-05-02T16:04:34 < karlp> it's better in fed27 than it used to be.
2018-05-02T16:04:54 < karlp> but I often just drill to the folder for what I want, because I dont' remember all the RMnumbers for all the parts
2018-05-02T16:07:23 < zyp> I'm not too interested in keeping obsolete RMs
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2018-05-02T16:17:55 < Laurenceb__> muh arduino
2018-05-02T16:18:05 < Laurenceb__> 3.1ksps
2018-05-02T16:18:10 < Laurenceb__> need 3.6 reeeee
2018-05-02T16:18:33 < Laurenceb__> inb4 I have to rewrite the i2c in asm
2018-05-02T16:20:07  * Haohmaru whispers: essss peeee eyeeeee
2018-05-02T16:27:26 < dongs> who the fuck puts PDFs in shithub
2018-05-02T16:28:39 < Haohmaru> whathub? >:)
2018-05-02T16:28:53 < Ultrasauce> it's pretty convenient, i have a couple repos full of pdfs
2018-05-02T16:29:12 < Ultrasauce> not ones being revised or anything
2018-05-02T16:29:45 < dongs> seems pointless, its not like you can diff them so
2018-05-02T16:29:50 < dongs> its just binary blobs wasting space
2018-05-02T16:30:02 < Ultrasauce> well it's convenient to have everything in one place
2018-05-02T16:30:13 < dongs> i just have shit like f:\stm32\STM32F401xB..C and STM32F401xD..E Reference Manual (RM0368. DM00096844).pdf
2018-05-02T16:30:22 < dongs> which i update when new revision comes out
2018-05-02T16:30:46 < Ultrasauce> sometimes repositories are used in an environment where multiple people are collaborating
2018-05-02T16:30:58 < dongs> same multiple people can access shared drive
2018-05-02T16:31:03 < dongs> with all the pdfs.
2018-05-02T16:31:46 < dongs> ynm
2018-05-02T16:32:28 < dongs> this also makes sure everyone is looking at same copy
2018-05-02T16:32:38 < dongs> and doesn't have 10meg blobs stuffing up source control
2018-05-02T16:33:09 < mitrax> dongs: what cvs do you use?
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2018-05-02T16:36:10 < kakimir> ISP is used more often in production than programming via SWD?
2018-05-02T16:36:22 < kakimir> doesn't require special hardware at least
2018-05-02T16:36:33 < kakimir> and waiting session to initialize
2018-05-02T16:36:54 < zyp> what wait
2018-05-02T16:37:10 < kakimir> you tell me what
2018-05-02T16:37:29 < Laurenceb__> wtf why is avr so slowww
2018-05-02T16:37:34 < zyp> I use swd for "production" stuff, attaching, flashing and detaching from a board takes a fraction of a second
2018-05-02T16:37:42 < kakimir> okay
2018-05-02T16:37:48 < kakimir> how about testing?
2018-05-02T16:38:17 < kakimir> would SWD be easily utilized in that way
2018-05-02T16:38:29 < zyp> dunno, I use usb for testing
2018-05-02T16:38:34 < Laurenceb__> i2c is only at 72% of theoretical performance
2018-05-02T16:38:39 < Laurenceb__> at 400khz
2018-05-02T16:38:48 < Laurenceb__> where are my clock cycles going
2018-05-02T16:38:55 < kakimir> doing nothing
2018-05-02T16:38:59 < Haohmaru> out the window
2018-05-02T16:39:00 < kakimir> waiting stuff
2018-05-02T16:39:10 < kakimir> why did you even begin to use AVR
2018-05-02T16:39:18 < kakimir> it's good for led blinking
2018-05-02T16:39:21 < zyp> kakimir, here's how I do testing: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/JAkIb.JPG
2018-05-02T16:39:52 < kakimir> so you made 10 of those boards?
2018-05-02T16:40:16 < zyp> I've made 700 or so, got another 100 coming in tomorrow or something
2018-05-02T16:40:31 < Laurenceb__> anyone know if avr "twi" peripheral is actually really shitty and requires several i2c clock cycles to actual start doing anything?
2018-05-02T16:40:52 < kakimir> okay
2018-05-02T16:42:14 < Laurenceb__> >first time I have used avr for years
2018-05-02T16:42:25 < Laurenceb__> >its rage inducing slow
2018-05-02T16:42:29 < zyp> kakimir, preparing those boards is a two step process; first I use SWD to write my custom usb bootloader to them, then I plug in the tester board and run a script that both writes application firmware through usb and runs tests on all inputs and outputs
2018-05-02T16:42:40 < Haohmaru> zyp do i see pogo pins there?
2018-05-02T16:42:58 < zyp> the tag-connect cable is based on pogo pins
2018-05-02T16:43:04 < zyp> the tester board just uses female headers
2018-05-02T16:43:46 < kakimir> I wonder if I would use SWD to probe variables out of the device
2018-05-02T16:43:50 < zyp> if I were less lazy, I'd make a pogo test jig for testing, plugging in and pulling apart the tester board is the most time consuming part of the entire process
2018-05-02T16:44:03 < kakimir> or just shit everything out of uart all the time
2018-05-02T16:44:16 < zyp> what are you making?
2018-05-02T16:44:25 < kakimir> I'll talk you later about it
2018-05-02T16:44:39 < kakimir> I'm a bit scared about production
2018-05-02T16:44:45 < zyp> my shit is a usb io adapter, so I just black box test it, usb on one side, io on the other
2018-05-02T16:44:48 < kakimir> *later today
2018-05-02T16:45:00 < zyp> no need to worry about internal variables and shit
2018-05-02T16:45:35 < zyp> for the usb nfc readers, I flash them and then just scan a card to confirm it works
2018-05-02T16:46:08 < kakimir> do you make moonah with that?
2018-05-02T16:46:14 < zyp> yes
2018-05-02T16:46:20 < kakimir> simple things
2018-05-02T16:46:44 < zyp> well, I originally designed it because I needed/wanted it
2018-05-02T16:46:56 < zyp> then I figured other people might want it too, turns out they do
2018-05-02T16:47:06 < kakimir> how do you sell them?
2018-05-02T16:47:12 < kakimir> so that people needing them find them?
2018-05-02T16:49:14 < zyp> that's just a matter of where you advertise
2018-05-02T16:50:05 < kakimir> irc sales?
2018-05-02T16:50:11 < kakimir> best sales
2018-05-02T16:51:08 < zyp> most sales is probably a result of word of mouth advertising
2018-05-02T16:51:54 < zyp> just make something good and get the first few out, then people will recommend your shit to others
2018-05-02T16:52:15 < kakimir> how big is the firmware project for the device?
2018-05-02T16:52:19 < kakimir> you sell
2018-05-02T16:52:27 < kakimir> weeks, months of work?
2018-05-02T16:52:56 < zyp> nah
2018-05-02T16:55:35 < karlp> dongs: did you see what the name of the new ffmpeg release is? http://ffmpeg.org/index.html#pr4.0
2018-05-02T16:55:40 < karlp> just for yu
2018-05-02T16:56:26 < Haohmaru> hahaah
2018-05-02T16:56:53 < dongs> haha
2018-05-02T16:57:09 < tct> mitrax, yep
2018-05-02T16:58:04 < kakimir> zyp, do you sell design of testing setup if I'm shit out of luck?
2018-05-02T16:58:12 < zyp> wat
2018-05-02T16:58:20 < dongs> wat
2018-05-02T16:58:42 < kakimir> nothing
2018-05-02T16:59:22 < c10ud> the pogo pin programmer is awesome
2018-05-02T16:59:27 < kakimir> it just seems your testing game and GBD skills are strong
2018-05-02T16:59:38 < kakimir> *GDB
2018-05-02T17:00:23 < c10ud> i might put it as well on this display board i'm building
2018-05-02T17:03:23 < dongs> ive got a box full of pogopin jigs
2018-05-02T17:03:27 < dongs> for various boards i flash/test
2018-05-02T17:03:45 < dongs> and some acrylic-cut thingies with handles that press boards together
2018-05-02T17:04:09 < zyp> next time I'm making something for sale I'll probably do something like that
2018-05-02T17:04:28 < mitrax> tct: do you use it even for blitting lots of small areas (e.g text output)? cause with alpha blending and conversion from 8bpp to 24bpp it's kinda slow... i guess the overhead of preparing the DMA transfer makes it not so efficient on small areas
2018-05-02T17:06:02 < dongs> in my uguuFx clone, i have a if() that checks if amount of data to blit is < certain number I randomly pulled out of my ass, and in that case I just do direct SPI transfer in a loop, and if its > that number then I setup DMA and fire it off
2018-05-02T17:06:20 < dongs> cuz for small transfers the DMA+shit setup isn't worth it in clock cycles
2018-05-02T17:06:49 < zyp> the question is, does it matter? if it doesn't matter, fuck special casing it and maintaining two ways of doing it
2018-05-02T17:07:32 < dongs> its not that hard to specialcase tho
2018-05-02T17:07:42 < mitrax> zyp: to me it does, if i can gain a few fps 
2018-05-02T17:08:13 < zyp> then just do both and figure out where the cutoff point is
2018-05-02T17:09:14 < mitrax> sure, i was just wondering if tectu noticed the same issue, but dongs just confirmed what i was suspecting
2018-05-02T17:09:22 < zyp> also remember that the point of DMA is that the CPU is free to do other stuff while waiting
2018-05-02T17:09:32 < dongs> right, but my shit just busywaits for dma_tc anyway
2018-05-02T17:09:37 < zyp> if you're just waiting for DMA to finish anyway, DMA is pointless
2018-05-02T17:09:55 < dongs> naw, cuz looping spi is still slower than dma
2018-05-02T17:10:08 < zyp> bullshit
2018-05-02T17:10:12 < dongs> no bullshit
2018-05-02T17:11:26 < zyp> how are you managing to not feed SPI fast enough to saturate it when CPU is doing nothing else?
2018-05-02T17:11:48 < dongs> ive looked at logic analyzer and theres gaps between bytes when looped and none with DMA
2018-05-02T17:11:52 < dongs> soo i donno
2018-05-02T17:12:17 < zyp> doing something silly like waiting for RXNE before you write next byte?
2018-05-02T17:12:32 < dongs> yes
2018-05-02T17:12:59 < zyp> that would naturally do it
2018-05-02T17:13:16 < dongs> but it doesnt work otherwise
2018-05-02T17:13:33 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/1jJw0P18.html
2018-05-02T17:13:35 < zyp> write when TXE is set, read when RXNE is set
2018-05-02T17:13:44 < zyp> that's what DMA does
2018-05-02T17:14:01 < zyp> well, duh
2018-05-02T17:14:13 < dongs> shit breaks on F3/newspi without the fifo shit, too
2018-05-02T17:14:17 < zyp> what your code is doing is not comparable to what DMA is doing
2018-05-02T17:14:29 < dongs> kakimir: https://i.imgur.com/25RLdQ3.png
2018-05-02T17:14:37 < zyp> you don't need FIFO for this, all SPI periphs are at least double buffered
2018-05-02T17:14:48 < dongs> zyp, fifo is there and being annoying and you cant disable it
2018-05-02T17:14:58 < zyp> so what?
2018-05-02T17:15:03 < c10ud> which kind of display is this? i don't think you have to read anything when writing data
2018-05-02T17:15:15 < dongs> .. spi is write/read anyway
2018-05-02T17:16:24 < dongs> zyp, wehre does it say what DMA does on writes
2018-05-02T17:16:39 < dongs>  < zyp> write when TXE is set, read when RXNE is set
2018-05-02T17:16:42 < dongs> isnt that waht my code does anyway.
2018-05-02T17:17:13 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/UZIr3Z13.html the transfer8 was for register access.
2018-05-02T17:17:16 < dongs> the DMA replacement is ^
2018-05-02T17:17:23 < kakimir> dongs, my board has power electronics
2018-05-02T17:17:31 < kakimir> and voltages up to 30volts
2018-05-02T17:17:42 < dongs> is acrylic somehow troublesome for 30V?
2018-05-02T17:17:52 < kakimir> current up to 20amps
2018-05-02T17:18:03 < kakimir> I mean the physical thing is not the problem
2018-05-02T17:18:05 < dongs> those boards in the pic are stm8 600W led drivers
2018-05-02T17:18:08 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/yBxcK <- you'd want to do some shit like this if you wanted to compete with DMA
2018-05-02T17:19:43 < dongs> i dont really see how thats any different?
2018-05-02T17:20:20 < zyp> on a platform without fifo, txidx would stay two bytes ahead of rxidx most of the time
2018-05-02T17:20:38 < zyp> i.e. write 0, write 1, read 0, write 2, read 1, write 3...
2018-05-02T17:20:54 < dongs> so doens't that abort early
2018-05-02T17:20:59 < zyp> your code does write 0, read 0, write 1, read 1, write 2, read 2...
2018-05-02T17:21:18 < dongs> right
2018-05-02T17:21:45 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/KfwIp <- fixed
2018-05-02T17:22:12 < zyp> forgot to stop writing :p
2018-05-02T17:23:26 < zyp> the point is, to prevent gaps, you want to write second byte before first byte has finished transferring
2018-05-02T17:23:53 < zyp> DMA does that because TX and RX are independent jobs
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2018-05-02T17:24:38 < zyp> and my code does that, because it doesn't let RX block TX
2018-05-02T17:25:12 < fenugrec> zyp, unless your SPI pipes through data than your loop which is probably what, ~20 instructions long ?
2018-05-02T17:25:18 < fenugrec> *faster than
2018-05-02T17:25:47 < zyp> idk, let's check
2018-05-02T17:29:59 < zyp> good guess, looks like 16
2018-05-02T17:30:29 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/HTU2b
2018-05-02T17:32:04 < emeryth> sup pros, got any 2-4 bit 3.3v to 5v translators other than the texas TXB?
2018-05-02T17:32:40 < fenugrec> nice, plus a few cycles for the branching
2018-05-02T17:33:54 < zyp> could probably cut down a few by reusing SR
2018-05-02T17:34:05 < zyp> it's getting read twice in the loop since it's volatile
2018-05-02T17:34:57 < fenugrec> true, other than that there's not much else to be gained, you can't spread away the ldrb/strb sets or interleave anything in there
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2018-05-02T17:35:25 < zyp> yeah
2018-05-02T17:35:36 < aandrew> wtf why can't I get xrdp working
2018-05-02T17:35:51 < aandrew> (queue dongs opensores triade)
2018-05-02T17:36:09 < fenugrec> maybe ldmia+stmia would help, I wonder why gcc almost never uses those
2018-05-02T17:36:37 < zyp> alignment requirements?
2018-05-02T17:36:53 < zyp> anyway, this should be fast enough to saturate SPI just fine in most real world use cases
2018-05-02T17:37:12 < fenugrec> hmm. Agreed, this is comfortably in the premature optimization territory
2018-05-02T17:37:39 < zyp> at 8 bits per transfer, you only need one iteration per 8 bus clocks
2018-05-02T17:38:20 < zyp> so for it to be a problem, you'd need to be doing pretty fast transfers on a slow cpu
2018-05-02T17:41:32 < fenugrec> yeah, I think in this case manual byte-pushing trumps DMA
2018-05-02T17:41:45 < fenugrec> *polled DMA
2018-05-02T17:42:25 < Laurenceb__> muh avr
2018-05-02T17:42:35 < Laurenceb__> >trumps DMA ?
2018-05-02T17:42:40 < Laurenceb__> is it yuuggeeee?
2018-05-02T17:42:44 < Laurenceb__> bigly
2018-05-02T17:50:19 < Laurenceb__> think I solved muh avr issue, its clock stretching by the accel sensor
2018-05-02T17:50:36 < Laurenceb__> probably need to use the fifo
2018-05-02T17:51:31 < aandrew> what're you guys doing?
2018-05-02T17:51:57 < Laurenceb__> making a sensor interface with arduino
2018-05-02T17:52:00 < Laurenceb__> cuz jerb
2018-05-02T17:52:38 < Laurenceb__> who cares about sanity, use a tarduino
2018-05-02T17:54:32 < Laurenceb__> >tarduino is now running a mix of c and asm to get it fast enough...
2018-05-02T17:55:22 < Laurenceb__> but they never said it has to use the "IDE"
2018-05-02T18:00:03 < Laurenceb__> histogram shows lower bits are zero too often
2018-05-02T18:00:24 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuZnrzA1uJU
2018-05-02T18:00:48 < dongs> emeryth: depends for what, txb is also unusable for uart
2018-05-02T18:02:25 < karlp> man, doing client side + server side validation is such tediousness
2018-05-02T18:05:06 < Laurenceb__>  >16mhz cpu
2018-05-02T18:05:11 < karlp> fenugrec: look at the disassm more, it uses ldmia stmia stuff plenty
2018-05-02T18:05:12 < Laurenceb__> >just managed 3.1ksps
2018-05-02T18:07:32 < Laurenceb__> bbl
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2018-05-02T18:08:21 < emeryth> dongs: dunno, cheap general purpose, doesn't even need automatic direction detection
2018-05-02T18:08:34 < dongs> emeryth: a cheap 74-series buffer?
2018-05-02T18:08:59 < dongs> i.e 74hc244 or someshit
2018-05-02T18:09:27 < dongs> just ground unused inputs
2018-05-02T18:09:56 < dongs> oh, 2-4 bit
2018-05-02T18:09:58 < dongs> i missed that part
2018-05-02T18:10:15 < emeryth> I know, but the logic families got me confused, most don't really support 3v to 5v in theory
2018-05-02T18:10:16 < dongs> hc125 then?
2018-05-02T18:10:32 < dongs> lemme see what shit I used for 3V to 5V
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2018-05-02T18:12:06 < dongs> hct will definitely do 3.3 as high @ 5Vcc
2018-05-02T18:12:20 < dongs> Vih = typ 1.6, min 2.0 at 5V supply
2018-05-02T18:12:25 < fenugrec> emeryth, lots of 5V stuff will happily accept 3.3V logic levels
2018-05-02T18:12:32 < fenugrec> ^ 
2018-05-02T18:12:57 < dongs> i think its the cmos shit that does Vih = 0.8xVcc or someshit
2018-05-02T18:13:03 < dongs> where is kinda marginal
2018-05-02T18:13:06 < dongs> but the ttl shit should be ok
2018-05-02T18:13:33 < emeryth> kthx
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2018-05-02T18:54:36 < dongs> https://auctions.c.yimg.jp/images.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/image/dr000/auc0404/users/852997b9efcae1b5f3676e67c8957c32984045a7/i-img600x561-1524841807ghblg791969.jpg
2018-05-02T18:54:39 < dongs> wow
2018-05-02T18:54:47 < dongs> Sharp came up with apple notch before apple 
2018-05-02T18:54:54 < dongs> and holy fuck that looks awful
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2018-05-02T19:00:53 < c10ud> because fuck the square framebuffer, amirite?
2018-05-02T19:01:18 < c10ud> well, rectangular, but you get it
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2018-05-02T19:01:37 < dongs> its for china market, interesting
2018-05-02T19:01:49 < dongs> its actually got almost everything I want in a phone
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2018-05-02T19:02:06 < dongs> idgaf about th notch
2018-05-02T19:02:33 < dongs> https://www.sharp.com.hk/en/model/913-standard-4gb-ram-64gb-rom-white ah HK version
2018-05-02T19:03:31 < karlp> sharp's making phones?
2018-05-02T19:03:40 < dongs> they've been making them for years
2018-05-02T19:03:42 < dongs> for jp market
2018-05-02T19:03:52 < dongs> since back in flipphone days
2018-05-02T19:03:57 < c10ud> thing is, A) can you get it at hk$ price? B) will sharp be a good boy like huawei is (e.g. updating software and not accumulating piles of custom shit)
2018-05-02T19:04:07 < dongs> sharp never updates jap versions
2018-05-02T19:04:12 < dongs> you buy it, youre fucked with it
2018-05-02T19:04:19 < dongs> and its all locked up/not rootable/etc
2018-05-02T19:04:22 < karlp> is 1920 vs 2040 pixels wide noticeable in anything really?
2018-05-02T19:04:28 < dongs> yeah i can get it for liek $230 or someshit
2018-05-02T19:04:34 < dongs> karlp: im guessing the missing pixels are for the notch
2018-05-02T19:04:52 < karlp> yeah, but I've seen something else that was 2040x1080 and calling it FHD+ recently.
2018-05-02T19:04:58 < karlp> seemed liky a tiny difference
2018-05-02T19:05:03 < dongs> https://geekdays.jp/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/P1030933-768x577.jpg
2018-05-02T19:05:19 < dongs> its enough to notch-free 1920x1080 so..
2018-05-02T19:05:39 < c10ud> also lol @ SHARP logo over the main button, way to waste space (or, dirty trick to allocate space for underneath stuff)
2018-05-02T19:06:31 < dongs> https://cas.nttdocomo.co.jp/flcache_data/product/catalogue/smart_phone/sh03j/mv_02.png ya man they do that on all phones
2018-05-02T19:07:47 < c10ud> I know, but they don't usually pump their dick with the notch (maybe, not a phone geek)
2018-05-02T19:08:34 < dongs> so it was released aug 2017
2018-05-02T19:08:37 < dongs> shitphone x was dec 2017
2018-05-02T19:08:47 < dongs> can't say its apple notch
2018-05-02T19:11:34 < dongs> looks like S3 is coming out
2018-05-02T19:11:46 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEFHKM39yes
2018-05-02T19:11:53 < dongs> got rid of button tho
2018-05-02T19:11:55 < dongs> so fuckem
2018-05-02T19:12:16 < upgrdman_> you already looking for a new phone?
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2018-05-02T19:12:23 < dongs> 'arleady'?
2018-05-02T19:12:26 < dongs> i'm on my fucking S7
2018-05-02T19:12:32 < dongs> which is like 3 years old
2018-05-02T19:12:34 < upgrdman> didnt you get a new one last year?
2018-05-02T19:12:34 < upgrdman> o
2018-05-02T19:12:36 < dongs> no
2018-05-02T19:12:38 < upgrdman> nm then :)
2018-05-02T19:12:46 < c10ud> but does it have a *edge* ?
2018-05-02T19:12:49 < c10ud> :D
2018-05-02T19:12:53 < dongs> no, thats the best part
2018-05-02T19:13:01 < dongs> and which is why i'm not touching S8/S9
2018-05-02T19:13:05 < dongs> fuck curved edge shit
2018-05-02T19:13:13 < upgrdman> i think my note 5 duos is ~3yrs old now. only thing i wish it had was microsd.
2018-05-02T19:13:30 < dongs> uh, duos = dual sim, doesn't that usually mean sd is in slot2
2018-05-02T19:13:38 < dongs> like 99% of dualsim shits do that
2018-05-02T19:13:46 < upgrdman> ya but not this one :/
2018-05-02T19:13:51 < dongs> trolld
2018-05-02T19:13:55 < upgrdman> also i want dual sim AND microsd. 
2018-05-02T19:14:00 < dongs> get out
2018-05-02T19:14:04 < upgrdman> not dual or micro
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2018-05-02T19:14:54 < upgrdman> the whole point is for travel. two sims (one usa, one china) and a microsd for assloads of music, books and some movies for flights or whenever.
2018-05-02T19:15:17 < upgrdman> also, no joke, i would love if my phone had a "kickstand" like the surface pro.
2018-05-02T19:15:26 < upgrdman> but ya, i know there are cases for that
2018-05-02T19:15:29 < dongs> they make cases like that for faggots like you
2018-05-02T19:15:31 < karlp> no need to build those into the phone,
2018-05-02T19:15:41 < karlp> just get a ring/push/pull sucky thing
2018-05-02T19:15:44 < dongs> i cannot think of a single time i needed a kickstand on my phone
2018-05-02T19:15:50 < dongs> like EVER
2018-05-02T19:16:00 < dongs> so if that shit was tehre making it heavier, fuck you
2018-05-02T19:16:15 < upgrdman> it'd be nice when you want to use the phone to play movies. no need to lay it flat.
2018-05-02T19:16:26 < upgrdman> lol
2018-05-02T19:16:43 < dongs> yeah who the fuck watches "movies" on their phone
2018-05-02T19:16:50 < upgrdman> when on a plane
2018-05-02T19:16:51 < karlp> I know people do it, but I just can't see wanting to watch tv/movies on my phoine
2018-05-02T19:17:07 < upgrdman> me neither
2018-05-02T19:17:09 < karlp> you're the reason phones are bigger and bigger again.
2018-05-02T19:17:09 < upgrdman> only:
2018-05-02T19:17:11 < upgrdman> when on a plane
2018-05-02T19:17:17 < dongs> so like once a year
2018-05-02T19:17:18 < upgrdman> you're welcome
2018-05-02T19:17:19 < karlp> nope. never.
2018-05-02T19:17:21 < dongs> fagggot
2018-05-02T19:17:36 < upgrdman> glad to see you're in a cheerful mood
2018-05-02T19:17:39 < karlp> my choices these days are 5.5" or bigger, or a shitty stupid kids phone
2018-05-02T19:17:44 < karlp> what the hell choice is that
2018-05-02T19:17:46 < upgrdman> i was missing that in april
2018-05-02T19:18:07 < karlp> you were travelling for work and didn't have an actual laptoip with a screen onit?
2018-05-02T19:18:16 < karlp> and you were travelling somewhere that didn't give you power either?
2018-05-02T19:18:20 < upgrdman> i did. my surface bro 4. love it for flights.
2018-05-02T19:18:31 < upgrdman> but phones are nice for when you dont want to lug around a tablet or laptop
2018-05-02T19:18:44 < dongs> did microshaft figure out hwo to put a USB-C port on those fucking things yet
2018-05-02T19:18:51 < dongs> or more than one USB port
2018-05-02T19:18:51 < upgrdman> dont think so
2018-05-02T19:18:54 < dongs> well, fuckem then
2018-05-02T19:18:57 < dongs> 2018 and all that
2018-05-02T19:19:03 < upgrdman> hoping the next surface bro will have usb-c charging
2018-05-02T19:19:07 < dongs> its like
2018-05-02T19:19:25 < dongs> single port, waste it on logitech transmitter because bluetooth sucks and internal touchpad is just absolute garbage
2018-05-02T19:19:30 < dongs> then you're like CANT DO ANYTHING
2018-05-02T19:19:33 < upgrdman> that or hoping someone else will make a high end surface clone
2018-05-02T19:19:58 < dongs> chuwi made somethign with surface bro lcd screen
2018-05-02T19:20:01 < dongs> but i think its atom inside
2018-05-02T19:20:05 < upgrdman> ya
2018-05-02T19:20:05 < dongs> or core Y or someshit
2018-05-02T19:20:08 < dongs> aka trash
2018-05-02T19:20:10 < upgrdman> weak sauce
2018-05-02T19:20:26 < upgrdman> the surface pro 4 with i7 is just barely tolerable.
2018-05-02T19:20:33 < upgrdman> no way that chewey shit would do
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2018-05-02T19:24:25 < dongs> anyway hmm
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2018-05-02T19:25:27 < dongs> all new phoens are fucking awful
2018-05-02T19:25:34 < dongs> the fuck happened to common sense
2018-05-02T19:25:36 < upgrdman> are the note 8's catching fire yet?
2018-05-02T19:25:40 < dongs> also, huge + heav as fuck
2018-05-02T19:25:43 < dongs> no i think they fixed that
2018-05-02T19:25:47 < dongs> i saw some shit that was like 190grams
2018-05-02T19:25:50 < dongs> get teh fuck out
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2018-05-02T19:26:08 < upgrdman> lol. i love my note 5, and would tolerate something a lil bigger too.
2018-05-02T19:26:32 < upgrdman> if you want small light shit, just buy some china phone. vivo makes many iirc.
2018-05-02T19:26:52 < upgrdman> and oppo
2018-05-02T19:27:00 < upgrdman> and mi
2018-05-02T19:27:18 < dongs> they're all shit tho
2018-05-02T19:27:31 < upgrdman> ya because only faggots wants small and light phones
2018-05-02T19:27:33 < upgrdman> geez
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2018-05-02T19:28:01 < upgrdman> so no jap vendors make a small kawaii android phone?
2018-05-02T19:28:10 < dongs> no
2018-05-02T19:28:29 < dongs> http://www.sharp.co.jp/k-tai/aquos-r-compact/ apparently this is jap version of S2
2018-05-02T19:29:09 < upgrdman> "winter" model, lolwut
2018-05-02T19:29:18 < upgrdman> they make new phones each season in japland?
2018-05-02T19:29:20 < dongs> yes
2018-05-02T19:29:26 < dongs> they used to a lot with flip phones
2018-05-02T19:29:29 < dongs> kinda slowed down now
2018-05-02T19:29:33 < dongs> but they still call it by season
2018-05-02T19:29:35 < dongs> laptops too
2018-05-02T19:29:43 < dongs> panasonic summer/winter/etc model
2018-05-02T19:29:51 < upgrdman> do japs upgrd >yearly?
2018-05-02T19:30:06 < dongs> not sure these days
2018-05-02T19:30:11 < dongs> docomo lineup looks pretty gross
2018-05-02T19:30:19 < dongs> all ugly shit, a lot of it last years mdoels too
2018-05-02T19:30:25 < dongs> so maybe less now?
2018-05-02T19:30:42 < dongs> fuck that site is beyond useless
2018-05-02T19:30:51 < dongs> there's not even a complete specs list
2018-05-02T19:31:07 < dongs> ah its there if i pick the model
2018-05-02T19:33:24 < dongs> heh jap-branded version of that thing has LTE and wimax2
2018-05-02T19:33:30 < dongs> fuckin weird shit
2018-05-02T19:33:42 < upgrdman> wuts wimax
2018-05-02T19:33:52 < dongs> some city-wide wifi stuff
2018-05-02T19:33:52 < upgrdman> gig wifi?
2018-05-02T19:33:54 < upgrdman> o
2018-05-02T19:33:56 < dongs> -ish
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2018-05-02T19:35:01 < dongs> "wireless metropolitan area network"
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2018-05-02T19:38:40 < karlp> is wimax still around?
2018-05-02T19:43:30 < karlp> dongs: xiaomi a1 is pretty nice.
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2018-05-02T20:03:16 < Thorn> 5 days of altiuming https://i.imgur.com/jRFm6AE.png
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2018-05-02T20:05:19 < antto> it's too pink
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2018-05-02T20:08:11 < con3> Thorn: whats on the right?
2018-05-02T20:16:29 < Thorn> sx1276 and cc1101 modules
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2018-05-02T20:28:12 < con3> oh wow nice!
2018-05-02T20:30:03 < englishman> Thorn: is that a ground pour under that qfp
2018-05-02T20:33:49 < antto> or are you just happy to see us
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2018-05-02T20:41:52 < Steffanx> im happy to see you, antto
2018-05-02T20:42:24 < antto> calm yer boobz!
2018-05-02T20:43:01 < Steffanx> but i like your skirt.
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2018-05-02T20:59:16 < englishman> on BGA devices isnt the pad supposed to be smaller than the ball size by a bit?
2018-05-02T20:59:28 < englishman> i have a device with .65mm ball but the pad size is also .65
2018-05-02T21:00:33 < jpa-> it is supposed to, but it's not like it wouldn't work otherwise
2018-05-02T21:01:11 < psprint_> bought micro USB - USB A adapter, can now connect USB keyboard to nucleo, the point is that my app needs controlling input, and small numerical-only keyboard (+it's wireless) is great for this
2018-05-02T21:01:44 < Steffanx> does your nucleo even support usb host?
2018-05-02T21:01:47 < jpa-> https://blogs.mentor.com/tom-hausherr/blog/2011/01/08/pcb-design-perfection-starts-in-the-cad-library-part-9-bga-components/
2018-05-02T21:02:12 < psprint_> Steffanx: yes, F767-ZI, I think it's a feature packed board, though very cheap
2018-05-02T21:02:38 < psprint_> and firmware has exactly this example, handling of mouse and keyboard
2018-05-02T21:03:20 < englishman> interesting
2018-05-02T21:06:17 < englishman> seems to confirm my suspicion
2018-05-02T21:06:40 < englishman> looking at xilinx docs, they suggest 0.4mm pads for 0.5mm balls as well
2018-05-02T21:12:04 < Steffanx> so englishman goes back to client? Fix your pcb?
2018-05-02T21:13:24 < Steffanx> "Why?" > because ##stm32 say so
2018-05-02T21:13:54 < englishman> no, this mfg reference design is only in orscam
2018-05-02T21:14:17 < englishman> so i found some trash on snapEDA which i am pretty sure is wrong
2018-05-02T21:14:37 < englishman> unfortunately the datasheet is ambiguous on ball size
2018-05-02T21:25:42 < englishman> hmm, their pcb design guide specifies .65mm pads, which are the same size as the ball
2018-05-02T21:26:59 < englishman> For maximum heat dissipation at the module, Samsung recommends cutting a hole in the PC board underneath the
2018-05-02T21:26:59 < englishman> ARTIK module. This allows the heatsink to be affixed directly to the bottom of the module, providing for maximum
2018-05-02T21:26:59 < englishman> heat dissipation.
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2018-05-02T21:55:45 < aandrew> Thorn: I would move your vias away from the pins under the chip
2018-05-02T21:55:52 < aandrew> lower right anyway
2018-05-02T21:56:38 < aandrew> if you're not tenting the vias then also move the one at the top left away from the pins 
2018-05-02T21:56:57 < aandrew> your resistors by the RJ45 are very close together, you might have trouble soldering it
2018-05-02T21:57:35 < aandrew> I'd move the ESD component for USB closer to the left to balance the lines a little better although that's not really an issue at 12mbit
2018-05-02T21:58:13 < aandrew> the four vias under the PHY I'd probably move "in" toward the middle of the device so they're not so close to the pins
2018-05-02T21:58:54 < aandrew> Thorn: other than that, not bad for a newb. :-)
2018-05-02T21:59:02 < aandrew> you'll get much faster as you work with it
2018-05-02T22:09:21 < zyp> vias looks fine, just tent them
2018-05-02T22:09:39 < zyp> no problem even if they were untented
2018-05-02T22:10:31 < zyp> I'd second the advice about the passives for the RJ45, they would bridge easily
2018-05-02T22:11:18 < zyp> if this is a 2L design, you want to spend some time to ensure ground plane integrity
2018-05-02T22:11:37 < zyp> and if it were a 4L design, you'd want to stagger the vias a bit more to avoid long cuts in inner planes
2018-05-02T22:13:37 < zyp> where's the oscillator for RMII_REF_CLK?
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2018-05-02T22:22:01 < Steffanx> From some talk a few days ago he planned on using a 25mhz clock for the stm32 and use mco to the phy.
2018-05-02T22:23:17 < zyp> ah
2018-05-02T22:24:07 < zyp> I considered doing that on my first ethernet design, but I figured I didn't want to fuck it up
2018-05-02T22:24:30 < zyp> so I went with two identical 25mhz crystal; one for the stm32 and one for the phy
2018-05-02T22:25:07 < zyp> that adds about $.18 to the BOM, I can live with that
2018-05-02T22:25:39 < Steffanx> 0.18 in components? Dont forgot the pick and place costs.
2018-05-02T22:27:01 < zyp> I don't think p&p costs are significant at all
2018-05-02T22:27:28 < zyp> setup costs is still the same due to number of unique parts
2018-05-02T22:28:46 < aandrew> I’d recommend a separate xtal or osc and zero ohm resistors to select stm32 or osc clock
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2018-05-02T22:29:28 < aandrew> That way you’re not stuck if you can’t get stm32 to do what you want or the clock isn’t stable enough
2018-05-02T22:29:50 < zyp> yeah, that's a good idea if you're not certain MCO will work
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2018-05-02T22:30:46 < Steffanx> but then is the question.. why wouldnt it?
2018-05-02T22:30:53 < aandrew> I wouldn’t pnp this until you are ready for production. Hand assembling has so many advantages for first prototypes 
2018-05-02T22:31:18 < aandrew> Steffanx: jitter too high with internal osc?
2018-05-02T22:31:44 < aandrew> I am using internal osc for an fm rx’s refclk
2018-05-02T22:31:49 < aandrew> It works okay
2018-05-02T22:31:55 < aandrew> But it might not have 
2018-05-02T22:33:19 < Steffanx> But i dont like to design around "might or might not work".
2018-05-02T22:33:57 < aandrew> Steffanx: for a prototype? That’s exactly what you do
2018-05-02T22:34:35 < aandrew> Then you test and experiment and make conclusions to create the final
2018-05-02T22:35:32 < zyp> a hardware iteration costs both time and money, so it's good to have some contingencies in place
2018-05-02T22:35:43 < aandrew> ^^
2018-05-02T22:36:19 < aandrew> <3 zero ohm and various population options to avoid getting stuck in production
2018-05-02T22:36:23 < zyp> greenwiring helps some, but extra pads makes it a lot easier
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2018-05-02T22:38:01 < Steffanx> i dont say you shouldnt, but on the otherhand. When there are no good reasons to have contingencies in place why do it? 
2018-05-02T22:38:21 < Steffanx> You can just as well pick some discovery or wahtever, place some 25mhz and do the measureents
2018-05-02T22:38:24 < Steffanx> measurements
2018-05-02T22:38:40 < Steffanx> The ones you have to do anyway, because.. it works != it always works.
2018-05-02T22:39:09 < Steffanx> ( in case of using mco)
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2018-05-02T22:45:50 < zyp> Steffanx, when did you become so serious?
2018-05-02T22:46:29 < Steffanx> Dont you like serious me, zyp?
2018-05-02T22:46:39 < zyp> I haven't decided yet
2018-05-02T22:47:47 < Steffanx> Just wait till stvn is back. Then serious Steffanx is gone.
2018-05-02T22:48:08 < Steffanx> or tct the backstabber.
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2018-05-02T22:48:50 < zyp> tell me more about this backstabbing
2018-05-02T22:50:24 < Steffanx> Nah, he hates me because we talked about irc when i was there.. and his friend was there. The friend that didnt know what irc was in the first place. So good luck explaining ##stm32.
2018-05-02T22:50:37 < zyp> haha
2018-05-02T23:02:34 < mitrax> Steffanx: he brought a friend to an irc meeting and he expected you not to talk about irc? :p 
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2018-05-02T23:05:50 < kakimir> movie recommds?
2018-05-02T23:05:57 < Steffanx> nope
2018-05-02T23:06:03 < Steffanx> hah, yes mitrax it seems
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2018-05-02T23:08:22 < kakimir> hmm
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2018-05-02T23:16:22 < mitrax> tct: what were you thinking? :p 
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2018-05-02T23:16:55 < Steffanx> You were invited too. where were you mitrax?
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2018-05-02T23:18:13 < mitrax> what was the date already?
2018-05-02T23:20:13 < mitrax> funny thing is i was maybe only 150-200km away from where you were
2018-05-02T23:21:45 < mitrax> Steffanx: did you fly to switzerland for the occasion or were you on a trip already?
2018-05-02T23:22:00 < Steffanx> this crazy guy went by train. Not ever again.
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2018-05-02T23:22:16 < Steffanx> and then the weather was FUCKING TERRIBLE. 
2018-05-02T23:22:28 < mitrax> by train ???
2018-05-02T23:22:38 < Steffanx> Yes.
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2018-05-02T23:22:41 < mitrax> must have took forever
2018-05-02T23:22:49 < mitrax> taken
2018-05-02T23:22:50 < Steffanx> 11 hours or so. lol
2018-05-02T23:22:57 < mitrax> damn
2018-05-02T23:23:10 < Steffanx> Trip was ok, but just .. never again
2018-05-02T23:23:47 < mitrax> did you travel through germany or france?
2018-05-02T23:24:03 < Steffanx> Germany.
2018-05-02T23:24:16 < mitrax> ach so
2018-05-02T23:24:22 < Steffanx> 1st class all the way. That was ok
2018-05-02T23:25:03 < Steffanx> Except that 1st class in the german zug(IC) is even worse than 2nd class in a ICE.
2018-05-02T23:25:06 < Steffanx> *an
2018-05-02T23:25:10 < mitrax> ahahah
2018-05-02T23:26:04 < mitrax> how long did you stay there?
2018-05-02T23:26:19 < Steffanx> 2 days, because the weather was terrible.
2018-05-02T23:26:22 < Steffanx> or like 1.5
2018-05-02T23:26:48 < mitrax> hmm okay
2018-05-02T23:27:07 < mitrax> btw i've heard stories
2018-05-02T23:27:16 < mitrax> about an evening in a hot tub
2018-05-02T23:27:26 < Steffanx> i dont recall.
2018-05-02T23:27:30 < Steffanx> mr BrainDamage was there too
2018-05-02T23:27:40 < Steffanx> he might remember
2018-05-02T23:28:17 < mitrax> so it was you, Tectu, BrainDamage, anyone else?
2018-05-02T23:29:00 < Steffanx> From irc, no.
2018-05-02T23:29:13 < Steffanx> and you were there. in our minds
2018-05-02T23:29:16 < Steffanx> thoughts.
2018-05-02T23:29:44 < mitrax> suuuuure
2018-05-02T23:30:04 < antto> what about the hearts?
2018-05-02T23:30:12 < Steffanx> i think you were discussed actually. "The french dude that is gone"
2018-05-02T23:30:37 < mitrax> oh, i'm flattered then
2018-05-02T23:31:19 < Steffanx> Only you are in my heart, antto
2018-05-02T23:31:31 < antto> quick question: if ya use dynamic memory, does it become fragmented?
2018-05-02T23:34:40 < Steffanx> Depends on some factors of course, but i think: usually yes.
2018-05-02T23:34:42 < mitrax> antto: it certainly will... but how badly depends on how/when you allocate and free things, the block size you allocate etc, on embedded systems with limited memory it's usually a bad idea
2018-05-02T23:34:51 < Steffanx> ^
2018-05-02T23:35:26 < antto> so, what i read about in avr applies here too
2018-05-02T23:36:03 < antto> so, i guess, on a comput0r, either the OS deals with that sh*t, and/or the cpu/hardware
2018-05-02T23:36:09 < Steffanx> perhaps it's more an issue on AVR because it tends ot have less memory.
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2018-05-02T23:36:33 < antto> well, it can have up to some megabytes IIRC
2018-05-02T23:36:37 < stvn> Lel
2018-05-02T23:36:43 < antto> shadap!
2018-05-02T23:36:59 < Steffanx> AVR? Unlikely, unless you go spi ram or whatever.
2018-05-02T23:37:00 < stvn> Hello welcome
2018-05-02T23:37:05 < Steffanx> Have room.
2018-05-02T23:37:16 < antto> stvn do you REALIZE how many bits that is?
2018-05-02T23:37:29 < stvn> What is bit
2018-05-02T23:37:55 < antto> Steffanx some atmegas and xmegas have external SDRAM support shizzle
2018-05-02T23:38:11 < Steffanx> oh there is the forgotten xmega. right
2018-05-02T23:38:17 < antto> >:(
2018-05-02T23:38:32 < antto> xmega is such nicer
2018-05-02T23:43:10 < antto> up to 128MB SDRAM
2018-05-02T23:43:25 < antto> such much ram, wow
2018-05-02T23:45:24 < zyp> I would have been there, but I got too short notice and already had other plans that weekend
2018-05-02T23:45:36 < zyp> hope I get longer notice next time
2018-05-02T23:52:13 < karlp> which artik is englishman using now?
2018-05-02T23:52:23 < englishman> 710
2018-05-02T23:55:12 < Steffanx> Hows the operating temp range of those?
2018-05-02T23:59:41 < englishman> better, but it sounds like it will just self-heat to more than make up for that
2018-05-02T23:59:54 < englishman> draws 6-7x more power
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2018-05-03T00:00:07 < englishman> has 4 switchers and 10 LDOs on board
2018-05-03T00:01:07 < englishman> they recommend chopping a huge hole in the board and mounting a heatsink from the back-side directly to the underside of the artik, and compressing it into the artik with thru-bolts
2018-05-03T00:01:59 < karlp> wat
2018-05-03T00:02:20 < karlp> aren't they trying to position this line as, "we got you covered for all your iot platform needs, super easy, just drop our module down"
2018-05-03T00:02:41 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/suWg9qE.png
2018-05-03T00:03:03 < englishman> no, this one https://i.imgur.com/JOg3TsU.png
2018-05-03T00:03:35 < karlp> who are they targetting really with that sort of hardware platform then?
2018-05-03T00:03:42 < englishman> they all BGA, too
2018-05-03T00:03:46 < karlp> it's hardware for hardware people...
2018-05-03T00:03:48 < englishman> 1.13mm pitch, but still
2018-05-03T00:04:14 < englishman> there is a single module, that uses three huge 0.4mm pitch headers (with no guide pins)
2018-05-03T00:04:34 < englishman> but - that model has no mounting holes. so it must be held in by the friction of the connectors only
2018-05-03T00:06:34 < karlp> just seems to confirm everything Id thought every time I look at hte line.  "this is weird, and not for me"
2018-05-03T00:08:11 < englishman> what else is out there tho really
2018-05-03T00:08:34 < englishman> rpi compute module? kind of
2018-05-03T00:08:45 < englishman> far less documentation than even edison had
2018-05-03T00:08:52 < englishman> fully reliant on opensores drivers
2018-05-03T00:09:11 < englishman> and pretty limited hardware
2018-05-03T00:09:15 < englishman> peripherals i mean
2018-05-03T00:09:41 < englishman> tho they want a companion stm32 on this board so it might not be an issue
2018-05-03T00:22:31 < karlp> just about any of the 96boards stuff seems comprable to the artik 701
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2018-05-03T00:44:59 < Thorn> englishman: it's a Vcc pour under the qfp
2018-05-03T00:49:02 < Thorn> zyp aandrew: the idea is to connect the MCO output directly to HSE (25MHZ) so I hope no extra jitter is introduced (no extra PLLs are involved)
2018-05-03T00:50:39 < Thorn> the PHY takes 25MHz from the MCO, doubles it and outputs the 50 MHz REF_CLK back to the MAC in the stm32
2018-05-03T00:51:13 < zyp> which phy?
2018-05-03T00:51:20 < Thorn> LAN8720A
2018-05-03T00:51:29 < Thorn> dongs approved
2018-05-03T00:51:40 < zyp> figures, I thought it was SMSC that only had a single led output
2018-05-03T00:52:22 < Thorn> it has 2 but the other is speed (10/100). I want to connect the 2nd led to the mcu and turn it on when DHCP config is received
2018-05-03T00:52:51 < zyp> ah
2018-05-03T00:55:20 < upgrdman> so we got a particle counter at work today. for testing our clean room. our room is very basic, really just a step above nothing. particle count is >200x less in the shitty clean room than in the office or warehouse. neat.
2018-05-03T00:55:40 < englishman> >times less
2018-05-03T00:55:52 < upgrdman> you wants numbers bro?
2018-05-03T00:55:56 < stvn> :3
2018-05-03T00:56:05 < Thorn> Altium Disaster can't show pin names from the schematics in the pcb editor (found an official answer by altium that states it). altium:dicktrace 0:1
2018-05-03T00:56:08 < englishman> gimme them datas
2018-05-03T00:56:16 < englishman> wut
2018-05-03T00:56:25 < zyp> Thorn, wat?
2018-05-03T00:56:51 < stvn> Altium bong
2018-05-03T00:57:12 < zyp> Thorn, as in the pin name set on the schematic symbol?
2018-05-03T00:57:26 < upgrdman> englishman, for 0.3u particle sizes, ~800,000 per cubic foot in the office, ~3,000 in the cleanroom. for 0.5u, 150,000 -> 1,200
2018-05-03T00:57:35 < englishman> cool
2018-05-03T00:57:54 < Thorn> stm32 pin # 55, name PD8, net RS485_TX. you can't get the pcb editor to show PD8 automagically
2018-05-03T00:58:26 < Thorn> only 55 and/or RS485_TX
2018-05-03T00:58:49 < zyp> true
2018-05-03T00:59:19 < Thorn> dicktrace shows all 3 if you hover over the pad
2018-05-03T01:00:47 < englishman> idk, not needed this
2018-05-03T01:00:53 < englishman> click on it in schematic, it is highlighted in pcb
2018-05-03T01:02:45 < Thorn> it's extremely useful when checking for pin assignment errors
2018-05-03T01:03:11 < englishman> there is your problem
2018-05-03T01:03:12 < stvn> MH370 won’t be found
2018-05-03T01:03:14 < englishman> dont do any errors
2018-05-03T01:03:20 < stvn> I hid it at my place
2018-05-03T01:03:35 < stvn> 2 cats are in place to guard it
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2018-05-03T01:11:47 < zyp> Thorn, you're checking pin assignment from layout view?
2018-05-03T01:12:30 < zyp> why wouldn't you do that in the schematic?
2018-05-03T01:12:55 < Thorn> well for one cube shows chip view
2018-05-03T01:13:39 < Thorn> (and fpga pin planners do too)
2018-05-03T01:14:02 < Thorn> so it's more convenient to compare it with the pcb pattern
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2018-05-03T01:28:06 < aandrew> Thorn: but you're already in layout... the pin assignments should already be correct in sch
2018-05-03T01:28:28 < aandrew> unless you're an absolute nutter and made the footprint somehow to accomodate pin swapping
2018-05-03T01:33:09 < karlp> why wyould you fix pin assigments in schematic immediately? what's wrong with wanting ot revise based on layout, given that often it's rather arbitrary?
2018-05-03T01:34:50 < Thorn> when I start layout most pin assignments don't even exist yet
2018-05-03T01:36:17 < upgrdman> agreed. i ~never decide on pin ass's until routing the pcb.
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2018-05-03T01:40:35 < fenugrec> heh, I haven't even drawn the final schem yet and I've changed pin assignments 3 times already to juggle 5V tolerant pins, SWD, and one 8-bit wide port...
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2018-05-03T02:08:45 < aandrew> karlp: very few MCUs have much in the way of swappable pins
2018-05-03T02:08:49 < aandrew> STM32 has some, but not that much
2018-05-03T02:08:52 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/f93f983524/109717.png
2018-05-03T02:08:54 < aandrew> it's far more manageable to do it in sch
2018-05-03T02:09:01 < Laurenceb__> tfw engladomutt
2018-05-03T02:12:35 < BrainDamage> yup, you have niche hobbies, nobody wants to witness your wittyness, you post incoherent sentences, and you have no plans to go to ireland
2018-05-03T02:16:23 < Laurenceb__>  >calls babestation every night
2018-05-03T02:19:45 < Thorn> new LPC and nRF5x are examples of MCUs with almost fully swappable pins
2018-05-03T02:19:58 < Thorn> iirc
2018-05-03T02:20:15 < aandrew> yes nrf5x does have this, as does cypress psoc as well
2018-05-03T02:20:41 < aandrew> unfortunately the nrf51 (52 is better) has such poor peripherals it doesn't matter where you assign their ports, they still suck
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2018-05-03T02:29:56 < Thorn> what software do I use to edit these STEP 3d models
2018-05-03T02:49:45 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/f93f983524/109721.png
2018-05-03T02:49:49 < Laurenceb__> my sides @ left hand side
2018-05-03T02:50:32 < Laurenceb__> someone should give him a mirror
2018-05-03T02:53:55 < jadew> could be other kind of european
2018-05-03T02:59:10 < tct> just another blaxter
2018-05-03T03:01:11 < Laurenceb__> ikr, I always make troll posts about muh heritage
2018-05-03T03:02:57 < Laurenceb__> la creatura is especially relevant as I'm 50% murican
2018-05-03T03:03:08 < Laurenceb__> or should I say... 56%
2018-05-03T03:45:46 < Thorn> Laurenceb__ is not warning red again. textual is failing
2018-05-03T03:49:01 < Laurenceb__> ur racist
2018-05-03T03:50:24 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/f93f983524/109737.jpg
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2018-05-03T04:11:58 < dongs> < zyp> why wouldn't you do that in the schematic?
2018-05-03T04:12:16 < dongs> because its a gpio, and routing looks awful, and you can just pinswap to make it easier?
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2018-05-03T04:17:22 < Thorn> dongs do you make your own 3d models of components
2018-05-03T04:17:31 < dongs> no i ask my soliddongs guy to do it
2018-05-03T04:17:34 < dongs> but yeah, sometimes
2018-05-03T04:18:51 < Thorn> in solidworks?
2018-05-03T04:18:56 < dongs> yes
2018-05-03T04:19:21 < Thorn> is there anything less heavyweight such as fusion 360 or whatever
2018-05-03T04:19:37 < dongs> no idea, im sure you can do them in pretty much anything that can output step
2018-05-03T04:19:49 < dongs> like i said, i dont know shit about 3d modeling so i just let other guys who do make them for me
2018-05-03T04:20:45 < Thorn> ok
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2018-05-03T04:26:24 < aandrew> I gotta find a soliddongs guy
2018-05-03T04:26:30 < aandrew> piecework kind of shit
2018-05-03T04:26:41 < aandrew> arent' there freecancer type setups for that already
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2018-05-03T04:56:04 < dongs> Tonight 7pm at The Strand: Meet Baz Xenotakis, the 16 year-old wunderkind who is leading the charge in the upstart genre of blockchain fiction. Can cryptocurrency be the next form of storytelling?
2018-05-03T05:11:44 < scrts> sup lads?
2018-05-03T05:42:39 < Cracki> aandrew, does it have to be solidworks and what kinda work
2018-05-03T05:43:01 < aandrew> Cracki: it would be just stupid simple component 3d models
2018-05-03T05:43:09 < Cracki> sounds like a job for me :P
2018-05-03T05:43:11 < aandrew> I don't know what it has to be, I don't know that end of it
2018-05-03T05:43:21 < Cracki> got into it (inventor and fusion360) for some 3d printing
2018-05-03T05:43:28 < aandrew> interesting
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2018-05-03T05:49:25 < Cracki> ah, 3d models for electrical components. haven't done that yet. sounds similar enough
2018-05-03T05:51:44 < Cracki> basic operation of solid cad these days is: you draw a 2d sketch of something (possibly on an existing surface), you extrude it (like a prism), and you combine that via subtraction and union
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2018-05-03T05:53:03 < Cracki> a DIP IC would be a block with some chamfers for the slanted sides, and for the pins, a "metal" block with a bending feature on it, replicated along one axis, mirrored along the center plane
2018-05-03T05:53:39 < Cracki> step export should be just a few clicks
2018-05-03T06:00:19 < Cracki> if you feel like messing around yourself, there's freecad (which I find awful to use) and openscad (kinda like programming) and I've heard of solvespace
2018-05-03T06:01:37 < branjb> anyone used a dust collector?
2018-05-03T06:02:56 < englishman> yeah I have a volcano or vortex or whatever
2018-05-03T06:03:02 < englishman> but you know who is pro
2018-05-03T06:03:07 < englishman> Readerr
2018-05-03T06:03:17 < branjb> how fast does it fill up?
2018-05-03T06:03:33 < branjb> debating between 13 gallon or 70 gallon
2018-05-03T06:03:36 < englishman> the same rate that you are cutting
2018-05-03T06:03:39 < ReadErr> for dust?
2018-05-03T06:03:51 < ReadErr> you can get a good chuck of hours on a 5gal
2018-05-03T06:03:54 < branjb> for sawdust/aluminum chips/etc
2018-05-03T06:03:57 < branjb> ok
2018-05-03T06:04:01 < ReadErr> 100% worth it
2018-05-03T06:04:17 < branjb> I'm good emptying it once a day
2018-05-03T06:04:42 < ReadErr> how big and what media
2018-05-03T06:04:45 < ReadErr> wood will fill faster
2018-05-03T06:05:09 < branjb> i'm cutting wood and aluminum mostly, occasionally plastic
2018-05-03T06:05:47 < branjb> did you need to do any grounding?  if I use the shop vac on my router table I build up a good amount of charge
2018-05-03T06:05:55 < branjb> I think my spindle isn't grounded or something
2018-05-03T06:07:13 < branjb> slightly worried about it igniting/sucking up a spark and exploding
2018-05-03T06:21:00 < ReadErr> yea wood you will need a bigger collector 
2018-05-03T06:21:03 < ReadErr> density 
2018-05-03T06:21:10 < ReadErr> g10 and cf dust is much more dense 
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2018-05-03T06:34:44 < Thorn> how do I select ferrite beads
2018-05-03T06:35:47 < Thorn> lan8720a requires one for analog supply
2018-05-03T07:05:40 < dongs> you don't
2018-05-03T07:05:46 < dongs> just pick cheap shit
2018-05-03T07:06:52 < machinehum> The old pick cheap shit method
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2018-05-03T07:08:19 < dongs> what was that cheap site with components 
2018-05-03T07:08:21 < dongs> iclc.com or someshit
2018-05-03T07:08:24 < dongs> lcic.com 
2018-05-03T07:08:40 < dongs> some chink shit, im sure thorn knows
2018-05-03T07:09:48 < machinehum> Savage
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2018-05-03T07:13:03 < Thorn> lcsc.com
2018-05-03T07:14:09 < dongs> https://lcsc.com/product-detail/Ferrite-Beads-And-Chips_120R-25-at100MHz_C108298.html
2018-05-03T07:14:16 < dongs> these are my fav generic 0603 beads
2018-05-03T07:14:22 < dongs> and same shit exists in 0402 as well
2018-05-03T07:15:27 < Thorn> do you place bulk caps on the quiet side
2018-05-03T07:15:41 < machinehum> wtf exactly am I looking at
2018-05-03T07:16:02 < dongs> thorn, i once placed a ferrite bead after inductor, before cap :)
2018-05-03T07:16:08 < dongs> instead of.. after cap
2018-05-03T07:17:51 < Thorn> I'm reading this https://electronics.stackexchange.com/a/221640/6651
2018-05-03T07:17:59 < machinehum> It's like ... digikey + ebay + china
2018-05-03T07:18:35 < Thorn> >beware, if you form a resonant low pass filter with a Q factor that is too high you can get severe ringing on the output (due to fast edges on the input noisy side) and destroy chips on the quiet side. Been there etc..
2018-05-03T07:18:54 < Thorn> destroying chips with a ferrite bead wtf
2018-05-03T07:19:14 < dongs> well, thats exactly what I did when I put it on the wrong side 
2018-05-03T07:19:15 < dongs> of dcdc
2018-05-03T07:19:39 < dongs> anyway, just pick the one i listed, it will work for prety much anywehre you need a bead and don't care about its spec
2018-05-03T07:19:59 < Thorn> >You still need an output capacitor in most cases though.
2018-05-03T07:21:02 < Thorn> weird shit
2018-05-03T07:21:19 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/7FJcas4.png typical bead usage. sometimes 10uf on the other side too
2018-05-03T07:22:32 < Thorn> and pray to Heaviside it won't resonate?
2018-05-03T07:22:43 < dongs> it wont
2018-05-03T07:23:40 < Thorn> in your case it resonated because the cap was hundreds of uF?
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2018-05-03T07:27:37 < Thorn> one problem with lcsc: when an item is sold out it will be in stock again after a month at best
2018-05-03T07:29:48 < dongs> how does that matter for you
2018-05-03T07:29:53 < dongs> you order with hk airmail
2018-05-03T07:29:57 < dongs> it takes a month to arrive anyway
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2018-05-03T07:35:43 < Thorn> last order: ordered on apr 18, arrived to post office: today hopefully (it's already in my city)
2018-05-03T07:36:01 < Thorn> that is not exactly a month
2018-05-03T07:37:26 < Thorn> anyway added that bead to cart, thanks
2018-05-03T07:40:55 < Thorn> also they ship with singapore airmail. not hk
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2018-05-03T08:23:25 < machinehum> ^.^
2018-05-03T08:23:54 < machinehum> dirtypcb. postNL. Takes a long time.
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2018-05-03T09:05:54 < ReadErr> well ya its cheap
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2018-05-03T09:19:57 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9vJh0zvlXA
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2018-05-03T09:26:28 < Thorn> how many kUSD are there in the background
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2018-05-03T10:14:40 < Steffanx> PostNL is the best machinehum
2018-05-03T10:15:34 < Cracki> very stable table
2018-05-03T10:20:15 < Steffanx> Welcome Cracki. How is your day today?
2018-05-03T10:20:32 < Cracki> >_>
2018-05-03T10:20:39 < Cracki> I plead the 5th
2018-05-03T10:24:24 < stvn> Who woke up the Dutchman?
2018-05-03T10:24:45 < Steffanx> It was the german.
2018-05-03T10:24:56 < stvn> I see
2018-05-03T10:25:08 < Steffanx> Its always the germans.
2018-05-03T10:25:13 < stvn> True
2018-05-03T10:25:30 < stvn> Shizen
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2018-05-03T10:43:14 < Steffanx> Whats "the 5th" in germany Cracki 
2018-05-03T10:43:49 < Cracki> like I knew
2018-05-03T10:44:10 < Cracki> we don't have rights
2018-05-03T10:44:24 < Cracki> only Verbote
2018-05-03T10:46:05 < Cracki> the German shall RISE! and take a shower. heh.
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2018-05-03T11:25:48 < psprint_> A nice way to communicate with stm32 – via redis database. Didn't find anyone who built hiredis library (redis database client), I have built variable-database binding for Zshell, so one does `echo $bound_var` and this reads bound key from database, for example `my_key`. Stm32 could pull this var via hiredis and perform actions, triggered by simple shell usage
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2018-05-03T11:30:08 < psprint_> hiredis is quite small and simple lib, wonder if it would build with LwIP
2018-05-03T11:30:33 < Haohmaru> take your IoT project TO DA NEKST LEVEL! \o/
2018-05-03T11:30:50 < Haohmaru> eye oh tea
2018-05-03T11:31:36 < Haohmaru> moar databases and parsers pls
2018-05-03T11:31:59 < Haohmaru> and java
2018-05-03T11:32:16 < psprint_> except redis is explicitly simple, it doesn't even use build system, but static makefiles
2018-05-03T11:32:27 < Haohmaru> i saw some STM32F models that had "java" on them.. i mean, like.. java instructions instead of normal ones
2018-05-03T11:33:10 < Haohmaru> they better have a gigabyte of ram
2018-05-03T11:34:29 < psprint_> if I would write about mysql then I would understand your reaction
2018-05-03T11:34:48 < Haohmaru> don't try to understand my reaction
2018-05-03T11:35:14 < Haohmaru> i'm not familiar with databases at all
2018-05-03T11:36:43 < psprint_> redis is simple, but maybe not embedded, OK, however hiredis is very simple, the client, and IMO for sure it can be embedded
2018-05-03T11:38:21 < Cracki> I hear "embedded redis". could mqtt be of interest...
2018-05-03T11:40:35 < psprint_> never did data transfer / storage on MCU, none of "embedded hiredis" "hiredis lwip" "hiredis stm32" search queries return something, I'm apparently trolling, but such highlights might ring a bell to someone and result in something interesting
2018-05-03T11:40:55 < srk> psprint_: I've built a key value store for bash https://github.com/sorki/bash_kvstore :D
2018-05-03T11:40:55 < zyp> you'll find plenty of mqtt shit though
2018-05-03T11:41:04 < zyp> if you don't insist on using redis specifically
2018-05-03T11:47:21 < psprint_> one interesting fact, redis/hiredis uses `sds' C string library (the same author), which stores string length 1 index before string data, so at *((size_t)string[-1*sizeof(size_t)])
2018-05-03T11:47:58 < psprint_> this library might be also interesting for embedded programming
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2018-05-03T11:49:09 < psprint_> it's fun because the strings are compatible with C string.h
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2018-05-03T11:51:27 < Cracki> so pascal strings
2018-05-03T11:51:39 < Cracki> your expression looks funny
2018-05-03T11:51:50 < Cracki> you take a char and cast it to size_t
2018-05-03T11:51:56 < Cracki> and then deref it
2018-05-03T11:52:16 < Cracki> are you intoxicated?
2018-05-03T11:55:12 < PaulFertser> Cracki: not pascal strings. Those had just one byte at the 0 offset. And here it's size_t right before the string. The expression looks correct.
2018-05-03T11:55:23 < Cracki> dude
2018-05-03T11:55:31 < Cracki> look again
2018-05-03T11:55:50 < Cracki> and if you still think it's right, ask a compiler
2018-05-03T11:56:12 < PaulFertser> You're right
2018-05-03T11:56:27 < Cracki> "hiding" the length by handling pointers to the start of the string is *the same structure*, just different handling
2018-05-03T11:56:58 < PaulFertser> But using different size is not. The whole "object" is not an "array of chars" anymore.
2018-05-03T11:57:15 < Cracki> less-than-ancient p strings also had trailing null chars to be easily compatible
2018-05-03T11:57:32 < Cracki> who said it were?
2018-05-03T11:58:04 < Cracki> your understanding of pascal strings might be strange
2018-05-03T11:58:08 < PaulFertser> Pascal strings are arrays of chars, with the first char holding the length. This "string" is essentially a struct of size_t followed by array of char.
2018-05-03T11:58:10 < Cracki> no
2018-05-03T11:58:23 < Cracki> that's not what pascal strings are
2018-05-03T11:59:28 < Cracki> pascal strings are a structure containing a length member and a char array member
2018-05-03T11:59:35 < PaulFertser> Well, I'm talking about old dos "turbo pascal" strings.
2018-05-03T11:59:41 < Cracki> same
2018-05-03T11:59:53 < Cracki> even in turbo pascal they were actual data types
2018-05-03T12:01:01 < Cracki> so no, prefixing the length to a string of chars isn't a new invention, it's been around since at least pascal days
2018-05-03T12:01:17 < Cracki> same for treating it as a fundamental data type
2018-05-03T12:02:05 < Cracki> it's smart to use that in C. it's such a low level language, one can be glad for every bit of abstraction.
2018-05-03T12:02:06 < Steffanx> Haohmaru: didnt they call that stm32j?
2018-05-03T12:02:29 < Haohmaru> yeah they had some J in their name
2018-05-03T12:17:23 < stvn> 2 trainlines broken in one day
2018-05-03T12:19:51 < stvn> Upfield and Frankston lines
2018-05-03T12:27:31 < psprint_> Fixed expression: *((size_t)&string[-1*sizeof(size_t)]), and I checked that sizeof(string) C++ class is 4, while sds stores 2 longs before string data
2018-05-03T12:28:00 < psprint_> Damn: *((size_t*)&string[-1*sizeof(size_t)])
2018-05-03T12:29:31 < Haohmaru> *(reinterpret_cast<size_t*>(&string)[-1*sizeof(size_t)]) ;P~
2018-05-03T12:30:06 < Haohmaru> hm.. no
2018-05-03T12:32:39 < dongs> gross
2018-05-03T12:32:54 < dongs> i got a solution for yall
2018-05-03T12:33:00 < dongs> stop using garbage language to code embedded
2018-05-03T12:34:42 < Haohmaru> what then? asm?
2018-05-03T12:35:08 < Haohmaru> dongs the language lets you write that same thing a number of ways
2018-05-03T12:35:35 < Haohmaru> we write it ugly like that so it's on one line.. cuz irc
2018-05-03T12:36:05 < dongs> no its ugly cuz C++
2018-05-03T12:36:16 < Haohmaru> >:(
2018-05-03T12:50:52 < dongs> https://japantoday.com/category/quote-of-the-day/i-wanted-to-leave-a-memory-of-my-visit-to-japan. RIP zyp
2018-05-03T12:51:23 < karlp> 404
2018-05-03T12:51:37 < karlp> oh wow, the . at the end was important.
2018-05-03T12:51:41 < karlp> niceone
2018-05-03T12:51:48 < dongs> yes, retarded url
2018-05-03T12:54:31 < zyp> hah
2018-05-03T12:56:37 < dongs> just like docomo emails allowing . at the end before @
2018-05-03T12:56:53 < dongs> which is actually non-allowed by rfc
2018-05-03T12:57:08 < dongs> and japs love to make  retarded email addresses like kawaii.pinku.bento.box.@docomo.ne.jp
2018-05-03T12:57:36 < zyp> gmail on the other hand ignores all dots in that part
2018-05-03T12:58:18 < dongs> right but you still can't have a final dot
2018-05-03T12:58:30 < zyp> so therapist@gmail.com and the.rapist@gmail.com are identical
2018-05-03T12:58:54 < dongs> zyp's email confimed
2018-05-03T12:58:56 < dongs> +r
2018-05-03T12:59:10 < zyp> ;)
2018-05-03T13:10:36 < stvn> lolwot
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2018-05-03T13:12:38 < stvn> n.igger@gmail.com 
2018-05-03T13:14:03 < kakimir> any nice innovations dongs?
2018-05-03T13:14:18 < dongs> nope. waiting on some boards ot arrive and fuckin with old garbage code.
2018-05-03T13:15:38 < stvn> can i buy a cat
2018-05-03T13:15:47 < dongs> you can buy a chat
2018-05-03T13:15:54 < stvn> $
2018-05-03T13:15:59 < dongs> or maybe a couple pumps
2018-05-03T13:16:03 < stvn> lol
2018-05-03T13:16:27 < stvn> i've lost my mind and its only thursday
2018-05-03T13:16:40 < dongs> 3 days of holidays starting today
2018-05-03T13:16:57 < dongs> i want to climb into bed and sleep
2018-05-03T13:27:37 < zyp> here, holidays are spread all around
2018-05-03T13:28:03 < zyp> had tuesday off, thursday both next week and the week after is off, and the monday in the week after that again
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2018-05-03T13:32:53 < stvn> cool
2018-05-03T13:34:27 < Steffanx> Isnt it nice?
2018-05-03T13:34:39 < Steffanx> Stvn is always on holiday
2018-05-03T13:34:52 < Steffanx> Swimming in a theepot
2018-05-03T13:35:12 < stvn> lol
2018-05-03T13:36:37 < Steffanx> I should have said "singing". And then the famous dong from "Man at work"
2018-05-03T13:37:34 < dongs> swimming with your dong
2018-05-03T13:38:03 < Steffanx> "down under"
2018-05-03T13:38:49 < stvn> im confused
2018-05-03T13:40:54 < Steffanx> Why stvn?
2018-05-03T13:41:23 < Steffanx> Dont you know Men at Work - down under?
2018-05-03T13:41:24 < stvn> hedde?
2018-05-03T13:41:51 < stvn> that horrible song with that paedophilic flute riff
2018-05-03T13:49:00 < karlp> what's thursday week after zyp ?
2018-05-03T13:49:18 < zyp> 17th? constitution day
2018-05-03T13:49:19 < karlp> next thursday is ascension, monday two weeks is pentecost/whitsunday, 
2018-05-03T13:49:27 < zyp> yep
2018-05-03T13:49:30 < karlp> ah, norgay 17may, iceland 17june.
2018-05-03T13:49:35 < zyp> and this tuesday was labor day
2018-05-03T13:49:56 < karlp> yes, i got to go for a march with my sunglasses on, in teh snow.
2018-05-03T13:50:08 < karlp> slightly schizophreneic weather here this week
2018-05-03T13:50:11 < zyp> haha, you guys still have snow?
2018-05-03T13:50:18 < karlp> we hadn't for months
2018-05-03T13:50:21 < karlp> and it's not real snow.
2018-05-03T13:50:33 < karlp> just flurries that aren't really sticking. 
2018-05-03T13:50:39 < zyp> ah
2018-05-03T13:50:51 < karlp> but yes, early may we will still quite often get an overnight dusting.
2018-05-03T13:51:04 < karlp> sometimes well into june.
2018-05-03T13:51:24 < karlp> it was snowing heavily yesterday going home, but melting on impact, ws just more like slow fat rain.
2018-05-03T13:51:38 < zyp> winter lasted long here this year, but it haven't been anywhere close to freezing for some weeks now
2018-05-03T13:52:18 < karlp> we had a very mild winter this year,
2018-05-03T13:52:34 < karlp> kept getting all this news of europe in the deathgrips of ice and we were just chillaxing
2018-05-03T13:52:57 < zyp> haha
2018-05-03T13:55:15 < karlp> spring flowers have been very late though
2018-05-03T14:01:25 < jpa-> last ice from the lake finally melted yesterday
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2018-05-03T14:35:10 < dongs> simone giertz is another fucking obnoxious youtube "maker"
2018-05-03T14:35:55 < dongs> thankfully has a brain tumor or something
2018-05-03T14:36:02 < dongs> hopefulyl dying
2018-05-03T14:36:03 < dongs> soon
2018-05-03T14:42:56 < dongs> join bot-wu in becoming irrelevant
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2018-05-03T14:47:28 < jpa-> meh, her videos are fun enough
2018-05-03T14:49:23 < Haohmaru> does she have a see-thru skirt?
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2018-05-03T14:53:43 < jpa-> no, she's not wu
2018-05-03T14:54:18 < jpa-> (though i have nothing against wu filling rule 34, either)
2018-05-03T14:57:09 < Steffanx> Where does all this hate come from anyway?
2018-05-03T14:57:20 < Steffanx> I just dont visit their channels or twitter feeds
2018-05-03T14:57:38 < Ultrasauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6qQSll7InQ
2018-05-03T15:07:24 < jpa-> i can understand that dongs is pissed about wu because he wants to be the hottest asian maker himself, but dunno why he'd hate simone
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2018-05-03T15:15:52 < Hamilton> hi all
2018-05-03T15:17:20 < Haohmaru> jpa- is he less hot than wu?
2018-05-03T15:17:55 < Haohmaru> coz we can fix that!
2018-05-03T15:18:36 < jpa-> Haohmaru: it's all in the eyes
2018-05-03T15:18:51 < Haohmaru> kick wu to the south pole, throw dongs into a sauna
2018-05-03T15:18:59 < Haohmaru> job done
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2018-05-03T15:35:12 < Steffanx> Hamilton no nukes you said :P
2018-05-03T15:35:48 < Hamilton> Steffanx, yes?
2018-05-03T15:36:39 < Hamilton> Ah you mean the recent news about that "demonstration"
2018-05-03T15:53:56 < Steffanx> I meant what those jews revealed, Hamilton 
2018-05-03T15:56:19 < karlp> didn't he just say, "they still don't have any nukes" ?
2018-05-03T15:57:03 < Hamilton> Steffanx, I guess you also believed Bush when he claimed there is weapons of mass dest. in iraq back in 2000s
2018-05-03T15:58:29 < Hamilton> And it's not like I know what the hell gov. does on every corner on its territory. I just said that I don't think the gov. is building nukes
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2018-05-03T16:03:37 < Laurenceb> muh avr
2018-05-03T16:03:46 < Laurenceb> 3.12ksps
2018-05-03T16:03:52 < Laurenceb> I'm a gunna call it a day
2018-05-03T16:03:59 < Laurenceb> sensor is 3.2
2018-05-03T16:04:05 < Steffanx> Wtf are you up to Laurenceb ?
2018-05-03T16:04:10 < Steffanx> Y u avr?
2018-05-03T16:04:15 < Laurenceb> cuz jerb
2018-05-03T16:04:21 < Laurenceb> have to make tarduino sensor
2018-05-03T16:04:39 < Laurenceb> tarduino libraries got samples at 600hz
2018-05-03T16:04:41 < Laurenceb> my sides
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2018-05-03T16:21:18 < c10ud> Laurenceb, i2c? which frequency are you squeezing from your avr?
2018-05-03T16:29:38 < mitrax> Hamilton: ahaha you conspiracy theorist! you think they would claim such thing if it weren't true? come on, we're the good guys (i mean the western world), never in history western governments have made up blatant lies to start wars
2018-05-03T16:29:44 < mitrax> Hamilton: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_Street_memo  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#U.S._involvement ... never ;)
2018-05-03T16:30:17 < karlp> "KEY FEATURES
2018-05-03T16:30:19 < karlp> No data loss due to UV Light
2018-05-03T16:30:29 < karlp> I wouldn't have thought that would have to be explicitly mentioned as feature number 1...
2018-05-03T16:37:46 < bitmask> ugh, I cant decide how I want to attach bakelite perfboards to my case
2018-05-03T16:38:23 < Ultrasauce> hot glue life
2018-05-03T16:38:47 < Hamilton> mitrax, wow...I've actually didn't know of any of those stories...
2018-05-03T16:38:59 < bitmask> I used that for a small connector board but I dont want to use it for the main boards I want to be able to remove em
2018-05-03T16:40:00 < bitmask> maybe print a small piece that I can hot glue or screw into that has a sliding joint
2018-05-03T16:41:42 < bitmask> https://coloringchaos.github.io/form-fall-16/joints
2018-05-03T16:41:45 < bitmask> nice site
2018-05-03T16:43:33 < bitmask> I usually use heatset screw inserts but I'm running out and dont think they are necessary for this
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2018-05-03T17:19:00 < Ecco> Hi! I have a question regarding the flash memory interface
2018-05-03T17:19:13 < Ecco> I'm locking the flash memory, yet writing still works
2018-05-03T17:19:42 < Ecco> sorry, more context: I unlock flash memory by writing the key sequence, write some flash memory, then lock the flash. But writing to the flash still works afterwards
2018-05-03T17:19:53 < Ecco> (locking by setting the LOCK bit in FLASH_CR)
2018-05-03T17:35:56 < karlp> what does "still works" mean?
2018-05-03T17:36:14 < karlp> does it mean that the write operation succeeds, or does it mean that you can read back what you thought you wrote?
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2018-05-03T17:54:53 < psprint_> nice, nucleo-144 (f767-zi, if they're not identical) fits into LEGO construction almost perfectly or perfectly ;)
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2018-05-03T17:55:49 < psprint_> I use both USB and Ethernet
2018-05-03T18:00:41 < karlp> anyone got a taobao agent they like?
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2018-05-03T18:05:24 < Laurenceb> c10ld: 3.11ksps from an adxl375
2018-05-03T18:05:29 < Laurenceb> serious datarates...
2018-05-03T18:08:28 < jpa-> hmh.. i'm sending UDP broadcast packets at 50Hz from esp8266; only 20% of the packets arrive, and some of them arrive 30 seconds after i've switched off power to the ESP8266
2018-05-03T18:08:32 < jpa-> i wonder what is buffering them
2018-05-03T18:09:38 < c10ud> Laurenceb, spi or i2c?
2018-05-03T18:09:44 < Laurenceb> i2c
2018-05-03T18:09:54 < Laurenceb> I overclocked it 5% to 421khz
2018-05-03T18:11:07 < karlp> network stack int he esp8266 sdk?
2018-05-03T18:11:18 < c10ud> you could try bitbanging to more than 400khz
2018-05-03T18:11:35 < jpa-> Ecco: maybe the cache is fooling you again - it might return you data from the cache even if write operation to flash really failed
2018-05-03T18:12:38 < jpa-> karlp: i'm using esp-open-rtos, so it's quite normal lwip; and also, it couldn't possibly transmit 30 seconds after the power has been cut, it has caps for at most like 1 second
2018-05-03T18:13:12 < jpa-> i guess the only suspects are my wlan access point or linux kernel, but either seems quite weird
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2018-05-03T18:16:55 < karlp> oh, switched off power, 
2018-05-03T18:17:09 < mitrax> jpa-: the explanation is quite obvious
2018-05-03T18:17:10 < karlp> that does sound like an awfully long time.
2018-05-03T18:17:11 < mitrax> jpa-: wifi wormhole!
2018-05-03T18:17:51 < jpa-> the packets that do get through arrive at 100 ms intervals so maybe something is rate-limiting udp broadcasts
2018-05-03T18:18:04 < jpa-> have to try udp unicast next
2018-05-03T18:19:06 < karlp> long queue though
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2018-05-03T18:19:47 < karlp> net suggests taht udp broadcast are very often rate limited heavily
2018-05-03T18:21:22 < Laurenceb> https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6189586/mum-obsession-male-sacrifice-clown-makeup-jailed-11-years/amp/
2018-05-03T18:22:06 < Laurenceb> dat url
2018-05-03T18:26:18 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/gallery/RuUsX
2018-05-03T18:29:31 < mitrax> jpa-: could it be that you accidentally send datagrams bigger than the MTU and they get fragmented?
2018-05-03T18:34:06 < jpa-> no, they're only 240 bytes each
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2018-05-03T18:44:05 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/f93f983524/109923.jpg
2018-05-03T18:45:26 < Thorn> Laurenceb is back to warning red
2018-05-03T18:46:03 < Thorn> textual probably updated its troll database overnight
2018-05-03T19:00:37 < englishman> Celebrate Arduino Day with Arrow
2018-05-03T19:00:37 < englishman> Save 20% on all Arduino products with code ARDUINO
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2018-05-03T19:03:42 < Laurenceb> not even once
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2018-05-03T19:21:07 < jpa-> karlp: hmm yeah, with unicast packets it works normally and most packets get through
2018-05-03T19:22:44 < karlp> isn't networking fun.
2018-05-03T19:23:09 < karlp> try and broadcast so you don't have to work out addresses, find out people don't like spammy broadcasters :)
2018-05-03T19:23:59 < karlp> shouldn't you only be using udp brodcasts to announce yourself and then have people "subscribe" to you one way or th other?
2018-05-03T19:24:16 < karlp> 50hz spamming udp broadcast soundsd like a "please shut me down as a bad tenant" type of thing
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2018-05-03T19:29:19 < Ultrasauce> you think broadcast misbehaves badly, just try multicast
2018-05-03T19:29:51 < Ultrasauce> (actually try multicast)
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2018-05-03T19:35:32 < jpa-> karlp: yeah, i'll probably have to do that
2018-05-03T19:35:46 < jpa-> not sure if i can multicast somehow because i'll have multiple targets on same wlan
2018-05-03T19:36:10 < jpa-> but on the other hand, it's only 12kB/s, doesn't matter if i'll have to triple each packet
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2018-05-03T19:42:15 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h37KQu64RY4
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2018-05-03T19:47:58 < kakimir> Laurenceb, is that secs graph real?
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2018-05-03T19:51:47 < Laurenceb> nobody knows
2018-05-03T19:51:47 < Laurenceb> might be a troll
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2018-05-03T21:12:05 < jadew> microchip is charging more for samples than it costs to buy the ICs from farnell and pay for shipping...
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2018-05-03T21:14:12 < mitrax> that's what you get for using microshit :)
2018-05-03T21:14:48 < jadew> I guess I am, but I'm interested in some atmel parts
2018-05-03T21:15:06 < jadew> I'm sorry they got bought out of the business
2018-05-03T21:16:15 < kakimir> samples are for corporates
2018-05-03T21:16:40 < kakimir> they don't check the price
2018-05-03T21:17:49 < jadew> still, makes no sense that the samples would cost more than buying the product directly
2018-05-03T21:18:10 < Thorn> I wonder what is more expensive these days, an fpga or all the ceramic caps that it requires
2018-05-03T21:18:21 < jadew> heh
2018-05-03T21:19:00 < mitrax> kakimir: i beg to differ, it's probably the first thing you check before choosing a component :p pointless to spend time trying something that's too expensive for your end product
2018-05-03T21:22:01 < mitrax> kakimir: i mean, usually in the industry it's not 1- design 2- check BOM cost, but the other way around
2018-05-03T21:22:11 < jadew> how many 100x100mm boards can you make with 40g of solder paste?
2018-05-03T21:23:12 < kakimir> mitrax, they ask manuf directly
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2018-05-03T21:25:48 < Thorn> how long till capacitor food stamps
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2018-05-03T21:26:09 < mitrax> kakimir: yes so they inquire about the price, be it directly from the manufacturer or resellers depending on quantities, but you just said they didn't :)
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2018-05-03T21:44:12 < Thorn> how important is it to connect Vdda through a ferrite bead if I'm not using ADC?
2018-05-03T21:45:12 < Thorn> it's a hassle to route Vdd to the bead on 2 layers
2018-05-03T21:45:26 < englishman> on stm32?
2018-05-03T21:45:33 < Thorn> yes'
2018-05-03T21:45:40 < englishman> unnecessary
2018-05-03T21:46:11 < englishman> its always unnecessary, but can improve your adc power supply in some cases
2018-05-03T21:47:53 < englishman> where can i get a 600VDC+ power supply
2018-05-03T21:47:56 < englishman> dont need much current
2018-05-03T21:47:59 < englishman> mostly for reference
2018-05-03T21:48:40 < Streaker> Mains x voltage doubler 
2018-05-03T21:50:23 < Streaker> You can buy tiny mosquito zapper kits on Ali
2018-05-03T21:53:10 < kakimir> mitrax, where we talking about samples or what?
2018-05-03T21:54:54 < jadew> englishman, ebay
2018-05-03T21:56:41 < jadew> englishman, or you can build it
2018-05-03T21:58:54 < jadew> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Agilent-6516A-High-Voltage-DC-Power-Supply-0-3000v-and-0-6mA-90-Day-Warranty/231514215343
2018-05-03T22:00:43 < englishman> oh damn thats pretty good
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2018-05-03T22:01:17 < kakimir> I need tools
2018-05-03T22:01:36 < kakimir> I need 10k of moneh
2018-05-03T22:01:48 < englishman> even 60A limited psus are pretty cheap
2018-05-03T22:01:57 < jadew> what tools do you need?
2018-05-03T22:02:06 < englishman> one 600V reference and one 60A reference
2018-05-03T22:02:08 < jadew> englishman @ 600V?
2018-05-03T22:02:15 < englishman> no
2018-05-03T22:02:20 < jadew> ah
2018-05-03T22:02:51 < englishman> just to offer calibration points
2018-05-03T22:03:47 < englishman> Set an input DC current of 60,00A (I_DC2) and wait 5 minutes(warm-up time).
2018-05-03T22:03:48 < jadew> there used to be some 1.5 kV power supplies from agilent on ebay that could also deliver a bit of power
2018-05-03T22:03:52 < englishman> jezus this is going to take forever
2018-05-03T22:03:53 < jadew> should have snatched one back then
2018-05-03T22:03:59 < jadew> it was like $400/pcs
2018-05-03T22:04:00 < kakimir> hmm
2018-05-03T22:04:06 < kakimir> PSUs
2018-05-03T22:04:21 < kakimir> new MSO to replace old rigol
2018-05-03T22:04:39 < kakimir> some references
2018-05-03T22:06:53 < jadew> which one do you have?
2018-05-03T22:07:05 < jadew> the 1000Z series is great
2018-05-03T22:07:14 < jadew> and they have a MSO version
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2018-05-03T22:09:22 < kakimir> I have that at work
2018-05-03T22:09:27 < kakimir> it's slow as hell
2018-05-03T22:10:03 < kakimir> there is painful latency in everything
2018-05-03T22:10:15 < kakimir> some trivial things can take up to seconds
2018-05-03T22:13:22 < Laurenceb> https://www.amazon.com/Seduction-Anita-Sarkeesian-Andrew-Bushard/dp/1523800305
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2018-05-03T22:28:27 < Laurenceb> woah
2018-05-03T22:28:44 < Laurenceb> spray painting SLS nylon works really well
2018-05-03T22:28:59 < Ecco> Hi again
2018-05-03T22:29:35 < Ecco> regarding that Flash issue: I read back the value I wrote after a full system reset (removing power altogether and then back on)
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2018-05-03T22:35:32 < jpa-> Ecco: and you cleared PG bit in FLASH_CR before locking the register?
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2018-05-03T22:39:18 < Ecco> Nope
2018-05-03T22:39:36 < Ecco> Should I? The documentation says very little about that bit
2018-05-03T22:39:48 < Ecco> In the step-by-step tutorial they don't even mention it
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2018-05-03T22:48:47 < jpa-> Ecco: as i see it, the lock register only locks the FLASH_CR register and the PG bit in FLASH_CR controls whether flash programming is allowed
2018-05-03T22:51:35 < Ecco> That would make sense
2018-05-03T22:51:52 < Ecco> But it's not what the doc says, is it?
2018-05-03T22:52:14 < aandrew> Ecco: you probably got bit by flash acceleration/caching
2018-05-03T22:52:34 < aandrew> e.g. read: get current value and it's cached.  erase, flash, read again, cache hit = old data returned
2018-05-03T22:53:52 < Ecco> aandrew: Most unlikely. Here's the scenario: 1/ Unlock flash 2/ Perform some writes 3/ Lock it again (by setting LOCK bit) 4/ Write stuff to flash 5/ Power down (remove all power source) 6/ Power back on 7/ Read memory.
2018-05-03T22:54:00 < Ecco> Value written at 4 is read back at stek 7
2018-05-03T23:20:05 < upgrdman_> aandrew, wouldnt cache be invalidated on erase/flash?
2018-05-03T23:20:43 < Ecco> Yeah, also that :) Anyway, I guess power off invalidates the cache :)
2018-05-03T23:20:52 < Ecco> I think jpa's answer was spot on though
2018-05-03T23:21:10 < Ecco> but what's weird is that, AFAIK, it's not explained that way in the doc
2018-05-03T23:27:31  * inca wonders why emWin is only displaying the first GRAPH_DATA_XY and not the rest
2018-05-03T23:27:44 < inca> It works on the PC simulator, but not embedded.
2018-05-03T23:29:09 < jpa-> Ecco: not sure what part of the doc you are referring to, i looked at the register definitions and that's how i understand them
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2018-05-03T23:49:49 < kakimir> Laurenceb, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9vJh0zvlXA
--- Day changed Fri May 04 2018
2018-05-04T00:00:05 < stvn> is that a meme kakimir ?
2018-05-04T00:01:34 < kakimir> no
2018-05-04T00:08:09 < Steffanx> a kakimeme
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2018-05-04T00:23:46 < stvn> SMA is a kakimeme
2018-05-04T00:25:32 < mitrax> bleh my left shift key is sticky :(
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2018-05-04T00:27:03 < mitrax> "with cherry MX Blue, rated at 50 millions cycles" they said.... my ass
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2018-05-04T00:40:37 < englishman> what the fuck
2018-05-04T00:40:43 < englishman> where are all the capacitors
2018-05-04T00:41:26 < stvn> lolwut
2018-05-04T00:41:54 < Ultrasauce> unstable supply rails add character
2018-05-04T00:42:11 < stvn> what seems to be the problem mr englishman ?
2018-05-04T00:42:44 < englishman> there are none
2018-05-04T00:42:55 < stvn> have you found all the capacitors?
2018-05-04T00:43:16 < Ultrasauce> mitrax: too bad the qa test jig doesnt jerk it
2018-05-04T00:43:37 < stvn> i have the brown switches
2018-05-04T00:44:11 < mitrax> stvn: i prefer the clicky ones
2018-05-04T00:44:28 < stvn> they didn't have them where i was
2018-05-04T00:44:32 < stvn> red or brown only
2018-05-04T00:45:03 < englishman> it looks like the planet has run out of X7R
2018-05-04T00:45:33 < mitrax> stvn: ah, what keyboard?
2018-05-04T00:45:55 < karlp> Ultrasauce: nice joke :)
2018-05-04T00:46:01 < stvn> the only one at the shop, the 'das'
2018-05-04T00:46:07 < karlp> multicast is in that bucket of "shoujld work, but won't" 
2018-05-04T00:46:27 < Ultrasauce> it can work well with the right hardware
2018-05-04T00:46:34 < Ultrasauce> which seems to be just the luck of the draw
2018-05-04T00:47:08 < Ultrasauce> ie whether the vendor decided to bother implementing igmp or not
2018-05-04T00:47:50 < stvn> mitrax: https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Keyboards/Mechanical/50406-DASK3MKPROSIL
2018-05-04T00:48:33 < mitrax> stvn: ok, that's the same i have, except mx blue
2018-05-04T00:48:48 < stvn> yah
2018-05-04T00:49:09 < stvn> i only realised it has usb on the side, 2+ years after buying it
2018-05-04T00:49:36 < karlp> whether they implemented igmp snooping properly at least.
2018-05-04T00:49:38 < mitrax> ahaha and you never wondered why it had two usb plugs at the end of the cable? :)
2018-05-04T00:50:04 < stvn> nope
2018-05-04T00:50:05 < karlp> wat? why not just a hub chiup inside?
2018-05-04T00:50:21 < stvn> i figured it drawed giga-amps
2018-05-04T00:50:31 < karlp> oh, that's the old das keyboard
2018-05-04T00:50:36 < karlp> mine got retired. too noisy
2018-05-04T00:50:41 < karlp> with cherry browns
2018-05-04T00:50:50 < karlp> and honestly, it wasn't hitting keys all that well either.
2018-05-04T00:50:58 < karlp> fuck the mech keyboard cult
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2018-05-04T00:51:11 < mitrax> hmm let's see, august 2013, it's not even five years old
2018-05-04T00:51:18 < Ultrasauce> well and whether the clients bothered with it also. i have a bunch of android devices that have kernels compiled without CONFIG_IGMP
2018-05-04T00:51:58 < mitrax> karlp: what did you get instead?
2018-05-04T00:53:43 < stvn> https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/products/8743991/
2018-05-04T00:55:11 < karlp> mitrax: I went to a local shop and got the quietest keyboard with icelandic letters
2018-05-04T00:55:26 < karlp> ended up with a dirt cheap gigabyte wireless combo, 
2018-05-04T00:55:35 < karlp> keyboard is nice, mouse is absolute garbage.
2018-05-04T00:55:40 < Steffanx> Where is englishman?
2018-05-04T00:55:43 < karlp> (oh, media keys of some sort were a requirement for me)
2018-05-04T00:55:47 < englishman> hi
2018-05-04T00:56:08 < karlp> englishman's trying to work out whether goose shit is a stabel dielectric
2018-05-04T00:56:08 < Steffanx> You can have a nice talk with our purchase guy about the shortage
2018-05-04T00:56:15 < englishman> oh god karlp
2018-05-04T00:56:17 < englishman> the geese
2018-05-04T00:56:17 < karlp> trying to ride out the shortage
2018-05-04T00:56:20 < englishman> thats a great idea
2018-05-04T00:56:22 < englishman> they are so abundant
2018-05-04T00:56:41 < englishman> MLGC
2018-05-04T00:56:41 < stvn> does rs have capacitors?
2018-05-04T00:56:49 < stvn> or digikey
2018-05-04T00:56:54 < Steffanx> Just fill em with lead.
2018-05-04T00:56:58 < stvn> yeah
2018-05-04T00:58:15 < stvn> i'll start desoldering MLCCs off all these broken boards, $1 a piece pls
2018-05-04T00:58:22 < englishman> youre not far off
2018-05-04T00:58:56 < Steffanx> Yeah no more capacitor sniffing for you stvn. Heroin is cheaper
2018-05-04T00:59:05 < stvn> yay for heroin
2018-05-04T00:59:34 < stvn> makes better -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin#/media/File:Bayer_Heroin_bottle.jpg
2018-05-04T01:00:36 < stvn> the tonic
2018-05-04T01:01:50 < Steffanx> Zee germans...
2018-05-04T01:16:02 < karlp> 4g life will change fate!
2018-05-04T01:16:57 < stvn> what have the germans done now mr steffan
2018-05-04T01:17:50 < mitrax> stvn: Bayer!
2018-05-04T01:18:07 < stvn> zyklon pioneer
2018-05-04T01:38:10 < upgrdman_> i know what it was used for, but what was zyklon designed to be?
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2018-05-04T01:38:40 < mitrax> insecticide 
2018-05-04T01:39:27 < mitrax> iirc they used it to get rid of lice initially
2018-05-04T01:40:33 < upgrdman> "Firms in several countries continue to produce Zyklon B under alternative brand names, including Detia-Degesch, the successor to Degesch, who renamed the product Cyanosil in 1974."
2018-05-04T01:40:35 < upgrdman> heh
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2018-05-04T01:47:17 < upgrdman> Rudolf Höss, commandant of Auschwitz, said that the use of Zyklon-B to kill prisoners came about on the initiative of one of his subordinates, SS-Hauptsturmführer (captain) Karl Fritzsch, who used the substance to kill some Russian POWs in late August 1941 in the basement of Block 11 in the main camp. The experiment was repeated on more Russian POWs, with Höss watching, in September.[30][31] Block 11 proved unsuitable for mass killings, 
2018-05-04T01:47:17 < upgrdman> as the basement was difficult to air out afterwards and the crematorium (Crematorium I, which operated until July 1942) was some distance away.[31] The site of the killings was moved to Crematorium I, where more than 700 victims could be killed at once.[32] By the middle of 1942, the operation was moved to Auschwitz II–Birkenau, a nearby satellite camp which had been under construction since October 1941.[22]
2018-05-04T01:53:07 < Laurenceb__> >Fritz
2018-05-04T01:53:47 < stvn> an elaborate setup
2018-05-04T01:53:53 < Laurenceb__> ardugaschamber when
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2018-05-04T02:15:39 < Laurenceb__> I found Tectu sister
2018-05-04T02:15:46 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/f93f983524/109983.jpg
2018-05-04T02:15:54 < Laurenceb__> >is actually Swiss
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2018-05-04T02:55:32 < Thorn> are there 1117 clones that are stable with ceramic caps?
2018-05-04T02:55:43 < Thorn> I need a 1A LDO
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2018-05-04T03:26:22 < Thorn> how do I properly connect nets across sheets in altium? I simply used net labels and they worked fine but now I'm reading that they are actually local to the sheet
2018-05-04T03:27:39 < Thorn> pcb editor can see all pins in all sheets and connects them by net name but 'compile' complains
2018-05-04T03:28:29 < Thorn> I don't have any hierarchy
2018-05-04T03:30:02 < Thorn> should I replace net labels with off sheet connectors?
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2018-05-04T04:13:42 < aandrew> Thorn: you use ports
2018-05-04T04:14:22 < aandrew> the port names and net(wire) names DO NOT match unless you change the preferences, but I prefer the not match anyay
2018-05-04T04:20:27 < Thorn> I tried ports and they didn't work
2018-05-04T04:20:48 < Thorn> I understand I need a top level sheet with schematics symbols on it to use ports?
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2018-05-04T04:22:00 < Thorn> btw compile doesn't complain about nets connected by matching net labels when I compile the whole project, not just one sheet
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2018-05-04T04:35:05 < aandrew> no
2018-05-04T04:35:07 < aandrew> not at all
2018-05-04T04:35:14 < aandrew> I very rarely use hierarchial design
2018-05-04T04:35:21 < aandrew> the ports must have the same name obv
2018-05-04T04:39:27 < diamondman> Anyone have an STM32L151 get into a state where it perpetually calls the I2C2_EV_IRQHandler interrupt with the event type I2C_EVENT_MASTER_BYTE_TRANSMITTED while constantly clocking on SCL with SDA stuck at 0? A reset stops it, and it appears after quickly attaching and detaching the slave i2c device (The slave is a battery and the master is the charger)
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2018-05-04T05:09:02 < englishman> Thorn there is a project setting to define the scope of various labels
2018-05-04T05:09:20 < englishman> depending on how you are planning out your project
2018-05-04T05:15:18 < dongs> 23704 Added new Light Gray theme option (Preferences >>> System >>> View).
2018-05-04T05:17:29 < dongs> 23562 Fixed regression where you could not use the Y or N shortcut key to close Confirm message dialogs.
2018-05-04T05:17:32 < dongs> finally
2018-05-04T05:20:50 < dongs> 22191 DRC no longer reports violations between different copper objects in a custom footprint pad, if that pad is not assigned to a net (BC:1779).
2018-05-04T05:20:53 < dongs> omfg, FINALLY
2018-05-04T05:21:24 < dongs> you can tell how fucking ancient that bug is
2018-05-04T05:21:32 < dongs> cuz current bc numbers are in the 10k's range
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2018-05-04T05:22:20 < dongs> 23028 Fixed bug where the PCB Heads Up display was floating over the top of an external application (even if the software was minimized).
2018-05-04T05:22:23 < dongs> finally this, too
2018-05-04T05:22:34 < dongs> damn, altidumb is on top of things lately
2018-05-04T05:22:38 < dongs> they're actually fixing shit I bitched about
2018-05-04T05:24:54 < Thorn> I've seen that window floating over chrome
2018-05-04T05:25:03 < dongs> 23317 Fixed regression where the new track Width wasn't immediately applied but required a cursor move after pausing PCB routing to enter a new width.
2018-05-04T05:25:07 < dongs> heh ive seen this
2018-05-04T05:25:32 < Thorn> which version is that?
2018-05-04T05:25:40 < dongs> 23750 Added TrueType Font support to PCB output PDF files so text may be searched (BC:1482).
2018-05-04T05:25:43 < dongs> niiice
2018-05-04T05:31:16 < dongs> Thorn: just latest 18.1.6
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2018-05-04T06:11:53 < stvn> dongs so the new altium update gets your approval?
2018-05-04T06:12:01 < dongs> yeah !
2018-05-04T06:12:09 < stvn> i did skip over it yesterday
2018-05-04T06:16:30 < Thorn> Altium Disaster
2018-05-04T06:17:05 < dongs> thorn, you find simple 3d software yet?
2018-05-04T06:17:17 < Thorn> btw I heard they're hiring devs in spb.ru
2018-05-04T06:17:37 < dongs> the fuck is spb.ru? special projects bureau?
2018-05-04T06:18:17 < dongs> the changelog, at least for latest version, certainly seems to show more work than usual
2018-05-04T06:18:22 < Thorn> st petersburg.= lol
2018-05-04T06:18:37 < dongs> i mean, sometimes they did a minor version up wiht like 5 bugs fixed
2018-05-04T06:18:39 < Thorn> dunno what that website is
2018-05-04T06:18:43 < dongs> o
2018-05-04T06:19:18 < dongs> i think i tried wings3d
2018-05-04T06:19:20 < dongs> it was fucking gross
2018-05-04T06:19:24 < dongs> there's no boolean ops
2018-05-04T06:19:25 < stvn> it is
2018-05-04T06:19:35 < dongs> like most basic shit in 3d modeling
2018-05-04T06:19:39 < stvn> wigs3d is for kicad users
2018-05-04T06:19:48 < dongs> youre probly not wrong
2018-05-04T06:19:53 < stvn> it is true
2018-05-04T06:20:32 < dongs> As FreeCAD uses Parametric modeling it can be used by different kind of users from the home user to the programmer. You don’t need to have a previous CAD experience to use it, and if you have difficulties in your first steps the FreeCAD community will be there to help you. 
2018-05-04T06:20:46 < stvn> :/
2018-05-04T06:21:08 < dongs> opensores community: join #ircchannel, state your complaint/question. receive messages like <opensoresdweeb> ok, dongs is on ignore now, channel is much safer!
2018-05-04T06:21:30 < dongs> opensores way of handling criticism: /ignore
2018-05-04T06:22:07 < dongs> LeoCAD is a CAD program for creating virtual LEGO models. While it’s great for this purpose it is limited, so this is not the type of software you should use for a complex project. Its interface is user-friendly and currently, includes over 6000 different pieces which can help you to create a 3D model fast.
2018-05-04T06:22:13 < dongs> uhh just waht i needed
2018-05-04T06:24:11 < Thorn> as far as 3d modeling goes I only have experience with maya but it's hardly simple lol, it's not cad and it doesn't play well with step files
2018-05-04T06:25:01 < dongs> oh wow leocad is fucking great
2018-05-04T06:25:28 < dongs> such copyright infringement i bet the onyl reason LEGO hasn't fucked htem is cuz its opensores
2018-05-04T06:26:09 < stvn> good god
2018-05-04T06:26:55 < stvn> there is no god wtf am i talking about
2018-05-04T06:29:35 < jadew> any shipping tips for small electronics?
2018-05-04T06:29:50 < jadew> how big should the box be?
2018-05-04T06:29:56 < jadew> do you need padding?
2018-05-04T06:30:05 < stvn> not sure if troll
2018-05-04T06:30:17 < dongs> https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004K2ATIM
2018-05-04T06:30:42 < Thorn> the Chinese usually use paper bags padded with 1 layer of bubble wrap on the inside
2018-05-04T06:30:59 < jadew> dongs, so box + envelope?
2018-05-04T06:31:22 < dongs> what box
2018-05-04T06:31:30 < dongs> judew, is this pcb? or waht
2018-05-04T06:31:33 < jadew> yeah
2018-05-04T06:31:34 < dongs> or like shit in enclosure
2018-05-04T06:31:39 < Thorn> lol that's exactly what I mean but why so expensive
2018-05-04T06:31:43 < jadew> no, PCB + some cables
2018-05-04T06:32:01 < jadew> Thorn, yeah, but I want to do it right
2018-05-04T06:32:02 < dongs> i use antistatic bag, seal it up w/heat seal, slap 'static' yellow sticker on it, put in bubble envelope, ship
2018-05-04T06:32:06 < jadew> I don't want damaged stuff
2018-05-04T06:32:20 < jadew> dongs, hmm, that's enough?
2018-05-04T06:32:24 < jadew> no broken boards?
2018-05-04T06:32:40 < dongs> well, i don't ship out of third world country
2018-05-04T06:33:09 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/7WdsVUZ.jpg
2018-05-04T06:33:10 < dongs> packaging
2018-05-04T06:33:14 < dongs> i mean, pcbs
2018-05-04T06:33:45 < dongs> and i have liek 3 different size padded envelopes
2018-05-04T06:33:47 < jadew> I got antistatic bags with zip lock
2018-05-04T06:33:58 < dongs> those are expensive? i donno the shit i buy in china is cheap
2018-05-04T06:34:02 < dongs> heat sealing thing is pretty great
2018-05-04T06:34:19 < jadew> no, I would have prefered heat sealing, but I don't have a device for that yet
2018-05-04T06:34:25 < jadew> they're maybe 30 c extra
2018-05-04T06:34:59 < jadew> or more like 10
2018-05-04T06:35:05 < jadew> not sure, but it didn't seem much
2018-05-04T06:36:34 < dongs> ok what the fuck
2018-05-04T06:36:39 < dongs> you cant change block color in leocad
2018-05-04T06:36:45 < dongs> you can only put new block down with new color
2018-05-04T06:36:50 < dongs> what is this fucking trash
2018-05-04T06:39:13 < dongs> for some reason blocks snap between each other
2018-05-04T06:39:24 < dongs> instead of on the round pegs... wtf
2018-05-04T06:39:33 < dongs> there's obviousyl snap but its like half a block offset
2018-05-04T06:39:34 < dongs> dumb
2018-05-04T06:40:17 < dongs> k found where to change block color
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2018-05-04T07:05:36 < stvn> Why on earth are you using leocad
2018-05-04T07:06:19 < Thorn> dongs if you liked that shit I'm sure you'll love fritzing
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2018-05-04T07:11:08 < dongs> for fucks sake why is assdroid so uteterly fucking useless
2018-05-04T07:11:18 < dongs> no system-wide app lock
2018-05-04T07:11:24 < dongs> no proper working parental controls
2018-05-04T07:11:34 < dongs> even fucking ifaggot gets it right
2018-05-04T07:11:49 < englishman> why wouldnt you want your kids on irc
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2018-05-04T07:13:11 < dongs> when you set parental lock shit in store
2018-05-04T07:13:15 < dongs> all it does is removes it from SEARCH
2018-05-04T07:13:21 < dongs> it doenst prevent clickign a direct link
2018-05-04T07:13:24 < dongs> from google/whatever
2018-05-04T07:13:28 < dongs> hoyl shit what idiocy
2018-05-04T07:13:36 < ds2> solidworks or bust
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2018-05-04T07:18:32 < jadew> dongs, why wouldn't you let your kids on the store?
2018-05-04T07:18:38 < jadew> it's not like they have a credit card
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2018-05-04T07:19:23 < dongs> have you not seen teh garbage thats free these days?
2018-05-04T07:19:32 < jadew> if they fill the phone with garbage, it's a learning experience
2018-05-04T07:20:05 < jadew> (unless it's your phone)
2018-05-04T07:20:29 < jadew> but if they have their own phone, I say let it burn
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2018-05-04T07:42:52 < Thorn> lol AD18 UI looks almost exactly like maya
2018-05-04T07:43:31 < Thorn> same color scheme and all
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2018-05-04T07:59:30 < dongs> Thorn: yes which is why first thing you do is goto preferences system view and set it back to normal shit
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2018-05-04T08:13:21 < bitmask> https://a360.co/2HNCWU5
2018-05-04T08:13:23 < bitmask> :O
2018-05-04T08:14:15 < dongs> > rageberry pi in a finished product
2018-05-04T08:14:18 < dongs> just gtfo
2018-05-04T08:14:31 < dongs> ohh and a fucking f4-disco
2018-05-04T08:14:32 < dongs> lol
2018-05-04T08:14:41 < bitmask> haha who cares, its just acting as a web server
2018-05-04T08:15:01 < bitmask> haha yea well I blew the only other two micros I had :/ the F4 from my drone was all I have left
2018-05-04T08:15:25 < dongs> oh is this rob69 or whaetver
2018-05-04T08:15:29 < bitmask> oh hah yea
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2018-05-04T08:16:23 < dongs> fucking hell
2018-05-04T08:16:27 < dongs> bullshit zoom order
2018-05-04T08:16:42 < dongs> literally death to any 3d thing that zooms in on wheel towards
2018-05-04T08:16:47 < bitmask> https://youtu.be/Mu5pzEO1iLs
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2018-05-04T08:19:16 < dongs> nice 3-prong swastikas
2018-05-04T08:19:40 < bitmask> I'm not gonna lie, I questioned if I should print that as my first SVG because I thought the same thing hah
2018-05-04T08:20:23 < dongs> is that point of htat to demonstrate you have no backlash/etc in the mechanism?
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2018-05-04T08:21:43 < bitmask> no, I was just testing out svg stuff. I don't have svg paths with arcs or curves working 100% yet so I just picked a sample from this axidraw set that only had polylines
2018-05-04T08:24:14 < bitmask> my pen holder needs a rework.  the pen isnt stable at all.  it worked well enough during this test with a bit of electrical tape stuffed in there to stop the wobble on turns but I need to reprint some stuff to get it better. I want to get rid of the leftover white parts anyway
2018-05-04T08:25:20 < bitmask> anyway, time for bed, night
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2018-05-04T09:08:16 < dongs> 3d viewport in leocad is fucking retarded
2018-05-04T09:08:27 < dongs> typical fucking opensores trash
2018-05-04T09:08:40 < Steffanx> Wtf is leocad?
2018-05-04T09:08:49 < dongs> rightclick to change camera viewpoint but the center is some fuckrandom place instead of where you clicked
2018-05-04T09:08:55 < dongs> so when you move shit up/down it looks retarded as FUCk
2018-05-04T09:09:11 < dongs> leocad = lego cad
2018-05-04T09:09:35 < Steffanx> Oh why the hell you even care, :D
2018-05-04T09:09:57 < Steffanx> Wanna design a lego box for your rpi?
2018-05-04T09:17:16 < dongs> yes
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2018-05-04T09:25:36 < Haohmaru> i have a big bucket of LEGO from when i was a kid
2018-05-04T09:25:57 < Haohmaru> that's like pandora's box - if i open it.. x_x
2018-05-04T09:30:39 < psprint_> Guys I'm looking for idea for mechanical decorate. I have stepper, servo, etc., lego technic parts. Any clues?
2018-05-04T09:30:48 < psprint_> s/decorate/decoration
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2018-05-04T09:59:08 < kakimir> I watch youtube videos in my sleep
2018-05-04T09:59:39 < kakimir> I leave laptop open and in the morning I have watched 4 videos in the playlist
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2018-05-04T11:31:05 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3uE2WtLNsw musicstimes
2018-05-04T11:33:57 < stvn> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbRuYK2VQAARuL5.jpg:large
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2018-05-04T11:56:48 < stvn> mitrax
2018-05-04T11:58:21 < mitrax> stvn: hi
2018-05-04T11:58:30 < stvn> [:
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2018-05-04T12:58:45 < stvn> A MAN caught in a lewd act with a car was only stopped in the act after being subdued by a police stun gun.
2018-05-04T12:58:45 < stvn> Kansas Police said the man was attempting a sex act with the car’s exhaust pipe when he was confronted by officers.
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2018-05-04T13:10:04 < aandrew> I can only imagine dongs trying to do something mildly frustrating around kids... in fact the mental picture amuses me greatly 
2018-05-04T13:20:23 < dongs> stvn: you missed the other one
2018-05-04T13:20:57 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/XxaD042.png
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2018-05-04T13:25:06 < mra90> What is the minimal startup code for STM32
2018-05-04T13:25:13 < dongs> while (1)
2018-05-04T13:26:33 < mra90> so no need to setup any watchod, cpu frequency etc?
2018-05-04T13:26:39 < zyp> mra90, minimal in what sense?
2018-05-04T13:27:29 < dongs> you can, but don't need to
2018-05-04T13:27:45 < mra90> zyp: let's say I want to write code that only ONLY set perticular GPIOx pin high without the need to setup watchodg, cpu frequency etc
2018-05-04T13:27:54 < dongs> mra, i did that
2018-05-04T13:27:59 < PaulFertser> mra90: then do it straight away in reset handler.
2018-05-04T13:28:14 < PaulFertser> mra90: do not forget to enable its clock via RCC.
2018-05-04T13:28:32 < dongs> https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/master/src/baseflight_startups/startup_stm32f10x_md.s#L132
2018-05-04T13:28:40 < zyp> mra90, so you're not talking about startup code in the "c runtime" sense?
2018-05-04T13:28:46 < dongs> rather, line 151+
2018-05-04T13:28:59 < dongs> thats executed right at reet.
2018-05-04T13:29:02 < dongs> reset
2018-05-04T13:29:08 < dongs> and turns on leds on gpio
2018-05-04T13:29:09 < zyp> mra90, to put it differently, are you talking about stuff that runs before main() or the first stuff that runs in main()?
2018-05-04T13:29:35 < mra90> PaulFertser: so what is a minimum setup in ResetHandler?
2018-05-04T13:29:48 < dongs> nothing
2018-05-04T13:29:55 < dongs> you can just start writing your own asm.
2018-05-04T13:29:57 < dongs> to do whatever.
2018-05-04T13:30:01 < PaulFertser> mra90: what dongs shows
2018-05-04T13:30:23 < zyp> your answers are all over the place
2018-05-04T13:30:44 < mra90> Okay I need to understand one thing
2018-05-04T13:30:55 < zyp> mra90, you need to clarify what you're actually asking
2018-05-04T13:31:14 < mra90> What purpose reset hander has?
2018-05-04T13:31:25 < zyp> you're saying "startup code" but mentioning setting up watchdog and cpu freq and stuff
2018-05-04T13:31:35 < zyp> they are usually unrelated things
2018-05-04T13:33:12 < zyp> when the cpu boots, it consults the vector table to find the address of the reset handler, the reset handler normally does whatever is needed to run C code (initialize .data and .bss segment) and then calls main(), main() can then configure peripherals like you want, including watchdog and cpu freq
2018-05-04T13:33:56 < mra90> zip: okay thanks
2018-05-04T13:35:51 < zyp> the absolute minimum you need is a two-entry vector table, containing the initial stack pointer and the reset handler address, if you then write your own reset handler in assembly, you don't strictly need anything else
2018-05-04T13:36:39 < mra90> zyp: great, thanks again ;)
2018-05-04T13:36:50 < zyp> but is this what you really want?
2018-05-04T13:37:58 < zyp> outside of a "microcontrollers 101" course in uni, that approach is not very useful
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2018-05-04T14:02:22 < jpa-> i've done it often enough :P
2018-05-04T14:02:38 < jpa-> though of course once you want interrupts, you'll have more entries in the vector table
2018-05-04T14:02:50 < jpa-> and you can write the reset handler in C just fine
2018-05-04T14:03:47 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/QuadPawn/blob/master/Runtime/DS203/startup.c
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2018-05-04T14:10:26 < zyp> sure, my reset handler is in C++
2018-05-04T14:10:43 < zyp> but you can't do much in C/C++ before you set up .data/.bss
2018-05-04T14:19:41 < karlp> zyp: you can write reset handler in c perfectly well thank you very much
2018-05-04T14:21:45 < zyp> are you sure?
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2018-05-04T14:32:53 < karlp> just out of sync with backlog
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2018-05-04T14:34:52 < Laurenceb__> wew https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/derby-city-council-leader-ranjit-1531719
2018-05-04T14:34:59 < Thorn> I've written startup code in c++ (NXP doesn't really supply any officially)
2018-05-04T14:35:50 < Thorn> (for gcc anyway)
2018-05-04T14:36:10 < Thorn> I can dig it out and post it if you want
2018-05-04T14:48:24  * Haohmaru wants
2018-05-04T14:48:44 < Haohmaru> wait, nxp?
2018-05-04T14:49:03 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/startup/entry.cpp <- here's mine
2018-05-04T14:52:04 < kakimir> should I always return void function?
2018-05-04T15:01:23 < jpa-> Haohmaru has a reset function fetish
2018-05-04T15:01:54 < Haohmaru> >:(
2018-05-04T15:07:45 < jpa-> there is nothing to be sad about, that's still 3 orders of magnitude better than what Laurenceb has
2018-05-04T15:16:43 < Haohmaru> what he has?
2018-05-04T15:18:09 < Haohmaru> i have nothing btw, just some .elf which won't work on like 3 different levels, and those are just that i'm aware of
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2018-05-04T15:29:01 < dongs> > elf
2018-05-04T15:29:04 < dongs> i found the problem
2018-05-04T15:29:07 < dongs>  y ou should be keil.pro
2018-05-04T15:29:09 < dongs> not this elf trash
2018-05-04T15:29:24 < dongs> http://keil.pro/ is that a parking page
2018-05-04T15:30:06 < dongs> http://stm32.pro/ lol
2018-05-04T15:34:05 < karlp> how to keil.  1. build .elf. 2. rename .elf to .ax
2018-05-04T15:34:12 < karlp> sorry, 
2018-05-04T15:34:12 < dongs> .axf
2018-05-04T15:34:24 < karlp> 3. rename .elf to .axf, 4. tell people it now costs more money and works better.
2018-05-04T15:34:25 < dongs> axf has a couple extra shits in it that arent in elf
2018-05-04T15:34:33 < karlp> no it doens't .)
2018-05-04T15:34:39 < dongs> it doesd according to ozone
2018-05-04T15:34:47 < dongs> it fails to load some shit cuz it uses opensores elf parser
2018-05-04T15:34:54 < karlp> it might hve some extra elf sections, but it's just an elf
2018-05-04T15:35:05 < dongs> rite
2018-05-04T15:35:14 < karlp> you add fucking shittons of goop to a .elf if you want.
2018-05-04T15:35:17 < dongs> its still way more pro than a typical gcc-generated elf
2018-05-04T15:35:24 < karlp> heh
2018-05-04T15:36:24 < dongs> hi, welcome to ##keil32
2018-05-04T15:36:32 < dongs> do you have a question how to be pro?
2018-05-04T15:36:34 < dongs> we're here to help
2018-05-04T15:37:53 < karlp> pretty sure you don't actually need/want naked on that thorn, what's the newest compiler you've built that with?
2018-05-04T15:38:56 < mitrax> that was zyp's
2018-05-04T15:39:36 < dongs> superbia: how many more question marks do you really need
2018-05-04T15:39:48 < zyp> dongs, fix your client?
2018-05-04T15:39:51 < dongs> wat
2018-05-04T15:39:55 < dongs> < superbia> ????????????????????????????????????
2018-05-04T15:39:59 < zyp> I see jap text
2018-05-04T15:40:00 < karlp> ~yeah, fix your client.
2018-05-04T15:40:03 < karlp> I get jap text too
2018-05-04T15:40:08 < dongs> youre both trolls
2018-05-04T15:40:10 < dongs> all i see is questionamrks
2018-05-04T15:40:22 < BrainDamage> he's sending utf-8 text, he's asking you how to be pro like you
2018-05-04T15:40:31 < zyp> "ru-mania kara konnichiwa, dongusu"
2018-05-04T15:40:56 < BrainDamage> your client is failing to decode them and replacing with "?"
2018-05-04T15:41:56 < mitrax> [14:40] [dongs VERSION reply]: irssi v0.8.11 - running on Linux i686 <= WHAT? dongs is running lunix??!
2018-05-04T15:42:53 < BrainDamage> explains why he's failing to decode them, along the typical unix fail he likely has locale not set, which defaults to ascii-c
2018-05-04T15:43:00 < dongs> thats obviously a fake version reply, i'm running mIRC as you can see from the screenshot here: https://i.imgur.com/wtj3V6A.png
2018-05-04T15:44:39 < mitrax> dongs: Options > IRC > Messages: UTF-8 Encode/Decode message checkbox
2018-05-04T15:45:17 < englishman> japs have not upgraded beyond unicode 1.0 and have instead developed their own made-in-japan character set to be used alongside unicode. yay nippon
2018-05-04T15:45:26 < mitrax> superbia:  [superbia VERSION reply]: WeeChat 2.1 (Mar 18 2018 22:29:56)
2018-05-04T15:45:27 < dongs> you mean shit-jis?
2018-05-04T15:45:38 < englishman> i mean, you can apply that statement to pretty much everything in japan
2018-05-04T15:45:43 < englishman> television
2018-05-04T15:45:44 < englishman> cellphones
2018-05-04T15:45:48 < englishman> credit cards
2018-05-04T15:46:02 < dongs> japs even have thier own credit card that only works in japan
2018-05-04T15:46:06 < dongs> and only in like 10% of places
2018-05-04T15:46:08 < dongs> called j-debit
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2018-05-04T15:54:35 < mra90> also what is the initial CPU frequency?
2018-05-04T15:54:59 < dongs> reference manual.
2018-05-04T15:55:00 < karlp> that is in the ref man
2018-05-04T15:55:01 < zyp> 8 or 16 MHz depending on what chip you have
2018-05-04T15:55:05 < karlp> or 2 or 4
2018-05-04T15:55:26 < karlp> not all chips are F y0
2018-05-04T15:55:42 < mra90> Okay right, and I guess it is clocked by cpu interla oscilator?
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2018-05-04T15:55:54 < zyp> yes, read the RM
2018-05-04T15:56:08 < zyp> RCC chapter covers this
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2018-05-04T15:57:03 < mra90> Okay, also what is the difference between System memory and main flash memory
2018-05-04T15:57:20 < karlp> read the ref man? flash and memory organization section?
2018-05-04T15:57:28 < zyp> system memory is what they call the area containing the ROM bootloader
2018-05-04T15:57:36 < karlp> it's almost like they publish this detail document describing how things work
2018-05-04T15:57:43 < mra90> I am reading now
2018-05-04T15:57:46 < dongs> karlp: no way
2018-05-04T15:57:54 < dongs> wouldn't that require ability to "read" tho?
2018-05-04T15:57:57 < mra90> but they use words that hasn't been described
2018-05-04T15:57:59 < dongs> when you can just write on irc
2018-05-04T15:58:01 < mitrax> dongs: 240TB eh?
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2018-05-04T16:01:52 < mitrax> dongs: how many hdd is that?
2018-05-04T16:05:14 < mra90> what's the deal about FLASH_ACR latency of memory reads
2018-05-04T16:05:23 < mra90> why we need to suit them?
2018-05-04T16:05:26 < zyp> mra90, read the RM?
2018-05-04T16:05:28 < dongs> have you tried searching for this in reference manual
2018-05-04T16:05:30 < dongs> holy shit
2018-05-04T16:05:39 < mra90> I am reading 
2018-05-04T16:05:42 < mra90> and it says
2018-05-04T16:05:57 < mra90> it has to be set for particulat frequency
2018-05-04T16:06:00 < mra90> fine, but why?
2018-05-04T16:06:09 < dongs> flash wait states
2018-05-04T16:06:15 < dongs> the refman even explains why!
2018-05-04T16:06:17 < zyp> because the flash can't load data faster than 24 MHz
2018-05-04T16:06:17 < dongs> if you fucking read it
2018-05-04T16:06:26 < zyp> or something like that
2018-05-04T16:06:28 < zyp> maybe it was 30 MHz
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2018-05-04T16:07:28 < mra90> zyo: thanks, explained
2018-05-04T16:10:53 < dongs> When you set a password for your Twitter account, we use technology that masks it so no one at the company can see it. We recently identified a bug that stored passwords unmasked in an internal log. We have fixed the bug, and our investigation shows no indication of breach or misuse by anyone. 
2018-05-04T16:10:59 < dongs> Out of an abundance of caution, we ask that you consider changing your password on all services where you’ve used this password. You can change your Twitter password anytime by going to the password settings page.
2018-05-04T16:11:03 < dongs> RIP
2018-05-04T16:13:21 < dongs> ur twitter is now mine
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2018-05-04T17:06:09 < Thorn> package contains fr4 perfboard, so8 programming clip and jumper wires. cn22 says "plastic sheet". pretty sure they meant "plastic shit" referring to the so8 clip
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2018-05-04T17:09:02 < zyp> :D
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2018-05-04T17:19:26 < Laurenceb> lulling hard
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2018-05-04T17:19:40 < Laurenceb> our muslim mayor got btfo by... ukip
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2018-05-04T17:36:29 < mra90> why GPIOx_MODER has 15, 2bit fields while there is only A..H ports which is 8?
2018-05-04T17:37:14 < zyp> why do you think?
2018-05-04T17:37:33 < mra90> I don't know actually
2018-05-04T17:37:38 < mra90> that;s why I am asking :)
2018-05-04T17:37:54 < zyp> I didn't ask what you know, I asked what you think
2018-05-04T17:38:28 < mra90> is it pin config?
2018-05-04T17:38:39 < zyp> is what pin config?
2018-05-04T17:38:56 < mra90> these 15 MODER1[1:0]
2018-05-04T17:39:15 < mra90> I thought that MODER1[1:0] is for configuration of PORT A
2018-05-04T17:39:23 < zyp> why?
2018-05-04T17:39:24 < mra90> but it must be wrong
2018-05-04T17:39:26 < zyp> yes
2018-05-04T17:39:41 < mra90> because it says GPIO port mode register (GPIOx_MODER) (x = A..H)
2018-05-04T17:39:47 < Thorn> in GPIOx_MODER, what does x stand for?
2018-05-04T17:39:49 < zyp> what does the x in GPIOx mean?
2018-05-04T17:39:54 < mra90> x is A..H
2018-05-04T17:40:05 < zyp> good
2018-05-04T17:40:26 < zyp> so that means you have a GPIOA_MODER, a GPIOB_MODER and so on, right?
2018-05-04T17:40:38 < mra90> Yes
2018-05-04T17:40:42 < mra90> MODERy[1:0]: Port x configuration bits (y = 0..15)
2018-05-04T17:40:59 < mra90> So thats why I think MODERy[1:0]: configures PORTy
2018-05-04T17:41:19 < zyp> no, it configures pin y
2018-05-04T17:41:19 < Thorn> Port x bits configure port y
2018-05-04T17:41:25 < Thorn> makes sense
2018-05-04T17:41:31 < Thorn> (not)
2018-05-04T17:41:35 < zyp> :)
2018-05-04T17:41:48 < mra90> Okay I got it
2018-05-04T17:41:56 < mra90> MODERy[1:0]: configures pins of port X
2018-05-04T17:42:21 < zyp> so you have 8 registers, and each register got 16 fields (you forgot to count 0)
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2018-05-04T17:42:39 < zyp> that gives you 128 fields in total
2018-05-04T17:43:30 < mra90> yes
2018-05-04T17:43:41 < mra90> so it configures specific pins of port A
2018-05-04T17:43:46 < mra90> port X*
2018-05-04T17:43:46 < zyp> correct
2018-05-04T17:43:53 < mra90> Thanks ;)
2018-05-04T17:56:02 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/98d51a19d8/110163.jpg
2018-05-04T18:05:59 < Thorn> https://i.imgur.com/vbyurPC.jpg the 2 rows on the right are marked in a different font than the left one, I haven't seen stm32 with such a font before
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2018-05-04T18:11:27 < englishman> anyone have any caps
2018-05-04T18:11:30 < englishman> send me your caps plz
2018-05-04T18:12:10 < Thorn> I've got a reel of 4.7uF 0805
2018-05-04T18:12:12 < Thorn> <100 used
2018-05-04T18:12:37 < englishman> if i cut them small enough, think i can use them as 100n
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2018-05-04T18:18:22 < Laurenceb> muh mayor
2018-05-04T18:18:37 < Laurenceb> how will I snackbar now
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2018-05-04T18:22:11 < Thorn> problem we have a houston https://i.imgur.com/vOiD0lk.jpg
2018-05-04T18:22:16 < fenugrec> Thorn, the F072 on my disco board has nearly identical fonts, but an ARM logo (64-pin package)
2018-05-04T18:22:22 < Thorn> the footprints really are different. what do
2018-05-04T18:22:43 < Laurenceb> long nosed pliers
2018-05-04T18:23:08 < Laurenceb>  "adjust" the led pins
2018-05-04T18:24:10 < Thorn> have you seen this before?
2018-05-04T18:24:12 < Thorn> different led pins
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2018-05-04T18:24:29 < Laurenceb> never made any custom boards with ethernet
2018-05-04T18:26:46 < karlp> pins look differnet sizes too
2018-05-04T18:27:16 < Thorn> that should be easier to accomodate
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2018-05-04T18:33:47 < dekar> I can't grasp french code: https://pastebin.com/wWxWVGkH
2018-05-04T18:33:57 < dekar>  __IO uint64_t *src_addr = (__IO uint64_t*)((uint32_t)DataAddress);
2018-05-04T18:34:23 < dekar> What's wrong with ST? Why do they force you to cast a pointer to 64bit just to pass it into their function?
2018-05-04T18:34:58 < dekar> That's from the H7 cube btw
2018-05-04T18:34:59 < Thorn> in case next stm32 gets 128 exabytes of ram or whatever 2^64 is
2018-05-04T18:35:49 < dekar> Thorn, even for that case uint64_t* would have been perfectly fine.
2018-05-04T18:36:40 < Thorn> the only legit place to convert pointers to int that I've seen is in dma initializeation
2018-05-04T18:36:43 < dekar> They just wanted to stay API compatible with cube for the older STM32. So they abuse the last parameter to pass a pointer, whereas they used to simply pass 64bit of data.
2018-05-04T18:37:31 < dekar> Now your older code still compiles against the H7 cube, it just breaks when you run it.
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2018-05-04T18:41:49 < Laurenceb> muh c++ is failing
2018-05-04T18:41:51 < Laurenceb> 		 QObject::connect((intf.device->process),&QProcess::finished,[=](int exitCode, QProcess::ExitStatus exitStatus){stopnotify(exitCode,exitStatus,intf.device);});
2018-05-04T18:41:57 < Laurenceb> ^what did I do wrong?
2018-05-04T18:45:12 < karlp> not enough spaces, obviously.
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2018-05-04T18:47:12 < Laurenceb> error: no matching function for call to 'audiointerface::connect(QProcess*&, <unresolved overloaded function type>, audiointerface::connectdevices(QList<interface_t>*, bool)::<lambda(int, QProcess::ExitStatus)>)'
2018-05-04T18:47:12 < Laurenceb>     QObject::connect((intf.device->process),&QProcess::finished,[=](int exitCode, QProcess::ExitStatus exitStatus){stopnotify(exitCode,exitStatus,intf.device);});
2018-05-04T18:47:12 < Laurenceb>                                                                                                                                                                 ^
2018-05-04T18:47:21  * Laurenceb head assplode
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2018-05-04T18:48:28 < Thorn> https://i.imgur.com/hI9hNzD.jpg lol find the difference
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2018-05-04T18:52:54 < karlp> Thorn: did you get both in the same shipment?
2018-05-04T18:52:56 < karlp> or what?
2018-05-04T18:54:07 < Thorn> nope the 2 better ones are Halo, the rest is dongs approved HanRun
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2018-05-04T19:30:31 < karlp> "better" is kinda odd though, I mean, no-one looks right up at them and says, "opaque is definitively better"
2018-05-04T19:30:39 < karlp> they say "do the lights do what they say?"
2018-05-04T19:30:58 < karlp> Laurenceb: no problem, "local not_sync_device = self:is_sync_capable(address)"
2018-05-04T19:31:06 < karlp> who needs to work in standard logic.
2018-05-04T19:32:15 < Thorn> karlp: I believe hanrun are supposed to have the same lenses as halo but they don't
2018-05-04T19:32:24 < Thorn> cost saving measure lol?
2018-05-04T19:33:45 < Thorn> oh wait actually there are lenses, they're just transparent
2018-05-04T19:34:45 < psprint_> Guys, if I have separate circuit powered by some batteries (6V), what is a good method to replace its on/off switch with an MCU control?
2018-05-04T19:34:46 < Thorn> you can even see them in my photo lol
2018-05-04T19:35:03 < karlp> yeah, that's what I was saying.
2018-05-04T19:35:20 < karlp> psprint_: pfet is a common method.
2018-05-04T19:35:23 < Thorn> psprint_: e.g. npn + pfet
2018-05-04T19:35:50 < psprint_> thanks!
2018-05-04T19:35:56 < karlp> discretes around it depend on what you want the default states to be when not controlled
2018-05-04T19:36:25 < psprint_> turned off
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2018-05-04T19:42:11 < psprint_> Other question - there are solutions of voice synthesis that are really good. For example Amazon, who bought polish company Ivona, has probably cool voice synthesis, as I know Ivona, almost worked there. I know they wanted embedded devices back in 2008, so what I ask is possible, and I ask: Is good quality voice synthesis possible by some available library / cheap circuit?
2018-05-04T19:42:44 < psprint_> I saw one circuit and it had robotic drastic voice
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2018-05-04T19:55:17 < mra90> what is the difference between GPIOx_ODR (which determines if pin is driven to 0/3.3V) and pull-up/down/
2018-05-04T19:55:19 < mra90> ?
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2018-05-04T20:03:43 < karlp> you're a clever one aren't you
2018-05-04T20:03:56 < mra90> looks like a contradiction to me
2018-05-04T20:05:56 < karlp> read it again then.
2018-05-04T20:08:06 < mra90> karlp: I read, they even say "...weak pull up down resistors"
2018-05-04T20:08:15 < mra90> does it mean low resistance?
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2018-05-04T20:24:53 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/170yb5s1teoyOdWGGzaq6t09hpNI3UyXa/view?usp=sharing hmmm
2018-05-04T20:25:54 < kakimir> found that big bag first
2018-05-04T20:26:21 < kakimir> when I had it ordered I noticed it didn't have a mix of colors
2018-05-04T20:26:26 < upgrdman> mra90, odr will *drive* the pin high or low. pupdr will *pull* the pin with a high-ohm resistor, this is often used to keep a pin from floating, or to test if it's floating.
2018-05-04T20:26:57 < upgrdman> iirc its something like 50k-100k
2018-05-04T20:27:21 < upgrdman> so dont rely on it for i2c etc.
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2018-05-04T20:29:06 < mra90> upgrdman: you said high ohm resistor whille thay call it "weak"
2018-05-04T20:29:13 < upgrdman> yes
2018-05-04T20:29:15 < PaulFertser> mra90: that's correct
2018-05-04T20:29:17 < upgrdman> means the same thing
2018-05-04T20:29:27 < mra90> weak current rather
2018-05-04T20:29:27 < upgrdman> it weakly pulls, because it has lots of ohms
2018-05-04T20:29:48 < mra90> Okay fine, thanks
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2018-05-04T20:57:25 < kakimir> anyone with experience from lpc111x?
2018-05-04T21:05:23 < Steffanx> you
2018-05-04T21:05:40 < kakimir> deep sleep
2018-05-04T21:05:52 < Steffanx> sma
2018-05-04T21:06:01 < antto> lambda_aurigae, but he ran off a long time ago
2018-05-04T21:06:04 < kakimir> does it mean usually that GPIO goes in reset condition
2018-05-04T21:06:13 < kakimir> or static
2018-05-04T21:07:19 < kakimir> UM says to turn off basically all powers but watchdog oscillator that can be used to generate match output from counter to pin that actually can wake the chip up
2018-05-04T21:08:08 < Steffanx> kakimir:
2018-05-04T21:08:09 < Steffanx> . The processor 
2018-05-04T21:08:09 < Steffanx> state and registers, peripheral registers, 
2018-05-04T21:08:09 < Steffanx> and internal SRAM values are maintained, and the logic levels of the pins remain static.
2018-05-04T21:08:18 < Steffanx> that's what the user manual says
2018-05-04T21:08:36 < kakimir> oh
2018-05-04T21:08:49 < Steffanx> https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/user-guide/UM10398.pdf page 50
2018-05-04T21:08:51 < Steffanx> section 3.9.3
2018-05-04T21:09:21 < Steffanx> will you run off too, antto?
2018-05-04T21:09:41 < kakimir> Steffanx, I recall reading it
2018-05-04T21:10:21 < Steffanx> You're welcome.
2018-05-04T21:10:47 < inca> has anyone ever seen VBAT draw more current when the device is powered and running?
2018-05-04T21:11:47 < Steffanx> pass
2018-05-04T21:12:15 < kakimir> thanks S
2018-05-04T21:12:50 < kakimir> good thing that stuff stays static during deep sleep
2018-05-04T21:13:19 < kakimir> minimizes power when there is no chip side pull-ups activated unnecessarily
2018-05-04T21:21:28 < inca> kakimir: hmm?
2018-05-04T21:22:04 < kakimir> there is external pull downs
2018-05-04T21:22:13 < kakimir> for every pin that drives fet basically
2018-05-04T21:22:39 < kakimir> but one that drives PMOS low and acts as power switch for +3v3aux
2018-05-04T21:27:37 < emeb> Got my H743 Nucleo on Weds - had test code running on it last night.
2018-05-04T21:28:11 < inca> it happens when ADC1 gets configured... Port A Pin 0
2018-05-04T21:28:27 < srk> suggestions for small ldo to use with stm32f4?
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2018-05-04T21:29:03 < emeb> I usually use just an LM1117-3.3, but that's probably way overkill.
2018-05-04T21:30:02 < srk> I now have AP1117-33 but looking for something smaller than SOT-223
2018-05-04T21:30:07 < emeb> You could probably get away with any little 200ma SOT-23-5 regulator like an MCP1802
2018-05-04T21:30:19 < Streaker> TMS7xxxx are really nice
2018-05-04T21:30:44 < Streaker> 200mv dropout voltage.
2018-05-04T21:31:11 < srk> cool, ty
2018-05-04T21:31:26 < kakimir> look at ldo.dongs
2018-05-04T21:31:40 < srk> l.do.don.gs
2018-05-04T21:31:40 < kakimir> or dongs.ldo or something at zypsnips
2018-05-04T21:32:25 < srk> Streaker: can't find any TMS7x :(
2018-05-04T21:32:53 < srk> MCP 1802 is Status: Not Recommended for new designs
2018-05-04T21:33:01 < srk> Please consider this device MCP1755\
2018-05-04T21:33:02 < srk> y
2018-05-04T21:34:30 < emeb> yeah - old & busted
2018-05-04T21:35:03 < emeb> but most of the parts in that category are fine for driving an STM32F4
2018-05-04T21:35:22 < Thorn> LDS3985M33R
2018-05-04T21:35:34 < emeb> I've been using 1802 & equiv for most of my little breakouts and they're fine.
2018-05-04T21:35:47 < emeb> super cheap, no fuss.
2018-05-04T21:36:06 < srk> like this is for a blackmagic-like swd programmer without any peripherals except for an isolator
2018-05-04T21:36:10 < Thorn> SPX3819M5-L-3-3
2018-05-04T21:36:32 < inca> VBAT connected to ADC1 for voltage measurement.
2018-05-04T21:36:32 < Streaker> http://www.ti.com/product/tps76733-ep
2018-05-04T21:36:33 < Thorn> what max Vin do you need?
2018-05-04T21:36:41 < srk> USB..
2018-05-04T21:37:13 < Thorn> RT9193
2018-05-04T21:37:24 < Thorn> AP2112
2018-05-04T21:37:44 < Thorn> first 2 tested personally
2018-05-04T21:38:01 < Ecco> Richtek FTW
2018-05-04T21:38:09 < Streaker> If you want cheap ass Chinese products there's the HT7333.  10 cents each or something like that
2018-05-04T21:38:15 < Ecco> Dirt cheap, easy to source if you fab in Asia
2018-05-04T21:39:33 < Thorn> https://lcsc.com/product-detail/Low-Dropout-Regulators-LDO_RT9193-33GB_C15651.html
2018-05-04T21:40:10 < Thorn> cheaper than 100nF caps lol :(
2018-05-04T21:40:14 < Ecco> :-D
2018-05-04T21:40:25 < Ecco> Yeah passives are getting out of hands these days, especially caps
2018-05-04T21:41:40 < Ecco> Guys, what would you recommend for an ARM-A platform?
2018-05-04T21:42:06 < Thorn> Zynq lol
2018-05-04T21:42:51 < Ecco> I misphrased my question
2018-05-04T21:42:57 < Ecco> I'd like it to be as cheap as possible
2018-05-04T21:42:59 < Ecco> ok, let me rephrase
2018-05-04T21:43:32 < Ecco> Guys, what would be the cheapest way to build a custom ARM-A board (including reasonnable amount of Flash and RAM so that it could decently run a Linux kernel for example)
2018-05-04T21:43:57 < Ecco> i.e. something like a Pi Zero, but that you can actually buy in volume :)
2018-05-04T21:44:15 < jpa-> that beaglebone on a chip stuff?
2018-05-04T21:44:36 < Thorn> microchip has a crotex-a+ddr in a single package
2018-05-04T21:44:40 < jpa-> not sure if your cheapest way means BOM cost or engineering cost
2018-05-04T21:44:42 < Ecco> well, yeah this could work I guess. Octavo IIRC
2018-05-04T21:44:51 < Ecco> BoM cost
2018-05-04T21:44:59 < scrts> the MLCC market is a shithole now
2018-05-04T21:45:08 < Ecco> scrts: definitely
2018-05-04T21:45:13 < scrts> I don't understand how the f.. they can't build more caps factories
2018-05-04T21:45:17 < Ecco> we've had caps jump x6 in price YoY
2018-05-04T21:45:27 < Ecco> I'm wondering the exact same thing
2018-05-04T21:45:36 < Ecco> I wouldn't be surprised if they settled on prices
2018-05-04T21:45:41 < Ecco> and cornered the market
2018-05-04T21:45:43 < scrts> it's more awesome when you have price lock
2018-05-04T21:45:49 < scrts> then the lead time is like 80 weeks
2018-05-04T21:45:50 < scrts> :D
2018-05-04T21:46:08 < scrts> then you agree on price increase and they come back with 60 weeks
2018-05-04T21:46:34 < Ecco> yeah…
2018-05-04T21:47:27 < Ecco> Thorn: Would you mind sharing a ref to that Microchip Cortex-A + DDR?
2018-05-04T21:47:32 < scrts> ok so is it fine now to use kicad?
2018-05-04T21:47:35 < scrts> or it is still shit?
2018-05-04T21:47:45 < Ecco> Haven't tried it in a while
2018-05-04T21:48:34 < Thorn> Ecco: http://www.microchip.com/design-centers/32-bit-mpus/sip-and-som/system-in-package-(sip)
2018-05-04T21:49:02 < Ecco> interesting
2018-05-04T21:49:05 < Ecco> Any idea of the price?
2018-05-04T21:49:16 < Thorn> and http://www.microchip.com/design-centers/32-bit-mpus/sip-and-som/system-on-module-(som)
2018-05-04T21:49:22 < Thorn> based on it
2018-05-04T21:49:34 < Ecco> Indeed
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2018-05-04T21:50:18 < Ecco> Aouch
2018-05-04T21:50:29 < Ecco> $9 per unit for the 500 MHz one…
2018-05-04T21:50:34 < Ecco> (per 5000)
2018-05-04T21:51:38 < Ecco> The Octavo is 28€ per 100 at Mouser
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2018-05-04T21:53:09 < emeryth> Ecco: http://linux-sunxi.org/V3s https://licheepizero.us/
2018-05-04T21:53:54 < Ecco> interesting!
2018-05-04T21:54:02 < Ecco> 64 MB is a bit tight though
2018-05-04T21:54:04 < Ecco> but interesting
2018-05-04T21:54:08 < Ecco> How much are these?
2018-05-04T21:54:22 < Ecco> Also, QFP is nice :)
2018-05-04T22:06:12 < zyp> Ecco, the atmel one is also only 64MB or so
2018-05-04T22:06:22 < zyp> or 128, I guess
2018-05-04T22:06:52 < Ecco> Yeah, I could deal with that
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2018-05-04T22:07:11 < Ecco> Do you think it would be possible to reach a sub-$5 price for this?
2018-05-04T22:07:31 < zyp> for what?
2018-05-04T22:08:12 < zyp> https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20180504110744&SearchText=allwinner+v3s <- you can even buy this shit on aliexpress
2018-05-04T22:08:16 < Ecco> For an ARM-A CPU + RAM, powerful enough to boot a Linux environment
2018-05-04T22:08:31 < zyp> then it's a question on how cheap you can do the PMIC and stuff
2018-05-04T22:08:46 < Ecco> Yes indeed, even though the V3S definitely is not the best choice for this. Allwinner Ax would be better I think
2018-05-04T22:09:04 < zyp> I've considered doing a module based on H5 or something
2018-05-04T22:09:50 < Ecco> Problem is you need to buy the SoC, adn then the RAM
2018-05-04T22:09:54 < Ecco> and then power it all
2018-05-04T22:09:56 < zyp> I got a couple of orange pi boards, one based on H2+, one based on H5, seems like it might be reasonable enough
2018-05-04T22:09:59 < Ecco> well, it's gotta be fun to do though
2018-05-04T22:10:11 < zyp> and if they can sell it for $10, the parts can't cost that much
2018-05-04T22:10:14 < Ecco> actually at this point I'm just wondering what the price woudl be
2018-05-04T22:10:23 < Ecco> Well… thta's a double edged sword
2018-05-04T22:10:31 < Ecco> for example, RPi Zeros are sold at a loss
2018-05-04T22:10:48 < Ecco> Or at least Broadcom will never sell you the chip for $5
2018-05-04T22:10:59 < zyp> sure, but allwinner is china
2018-05-04T22:11:04 < Ecco> yep :)
2018-05-04T22:11:14 < Ecco> There are some Orange Pi for less than $10?
2018-05-04T22:11:58 < zyp> https://www.aliexpress.com/item//32603308880.html <- first hit on aliexpress is <$10
2018-05-04T22:12:11 < Ecco> oh wow
2018-05-04T22:12:35 < zyp> the orange pi zero with H2+ and 256MB RAM is $8.49
2018-05-04T22:12:50 < Ecco> plus $5 shipping
2018-05-04T22:12:57 < zyp> I've got one of the 512MB ones, not too convinced about that
2018-05-04T22:12:58 < Ecco> Might as well be $13
2018-05-04T22:13:02 < Ecco> Why?
2018-05-04T22:13:37 < zyp> well, main issue were the wifi chip they picked for that was shit
2018-05-04T22:13:57 < zyp> might have had some thermal issues too, I think maybe software didn't do proper thermal throttling
2018-05-04T22:14:03 < Ecco> oh, ok
2018-05-04T22:14:05 < zyp> idk, I didn't look too much into it
2018-05-04T22:14:16 < Ecco> Are H2+ supported in mainline linux kernel?
2018-05-04T22:14:23 < zyp> I had it sitting in my tv bench acting as a bridge between the RS232 port on my tv and MQTT
2018-05-04T22:15:25 < zyp> I got tired of it disconnecting and replaced it with an orange pi zero plus (H5) and that one have been stable since
2018-05-04T22:15:30 < zyp> i.e. for some months now
2018-05-04T22:15:34 < Ecco> Interesting
2018-05-04T22:15:45 < Ecco> What software are you running this on?
2018-05-04T22:15:52 < Ecco> (i.e. kernel version, userland)
2018-05-04T22:16:03 < zyp> idk how much is supported in mainline, I think they've got fairly decent support, but not full
2018-05-04T22:16:09 < Ecco> ok
2018-05-04T22:16:09 < zyp> I'm running armbian
2018-05-04T22:16:19 < Ecco> what's that? Doesn't debian support ARM by default?
2018-05-04T22:16:21 < bitmask> why is rpi zero sold at a loss?
2018-05-04T22:16:37 < Ecco> Well, I know it does, I used to run standard Debian on a Beaglebone
2018-05-04T22:16:56 < zyp> at the time they didn't have any armbian builds for zero plus, so I grabbed one for one of the other H5 based boards, turns out it mostly works fine
2018-05-04T22:17:06 < Ecco> bitmask: "at a loss" is a bit vague given they sell their own chip
2018-05-04T22:17:10 < zyp> wifi chip isn't configured right, but I'm running it on cabled ethernet
2018-05-04T22:17:27 < Ecco> but you just can't order the chip of a RPi Zero in volume for the price of a RPi Zero ($5)
2018-05-04T22:17:47 < bitmask> I see
2018-05-04T22:17:55 < Ecco> Well, I wouldn't trust WiFi for an unattended device
2018-05-04T22:18:00 < zyp> if I'm using it for a project or something, I'd probably make a custom openembedded build or something
2018-05-04T22:18:08 < Ecco> Sure, you could get it to work, but that'd be a huge lot of work :)
2018-05-04T22:18:16 < Ecco> indeed
2018-05-04T22:18:33 < zyp> but for what it's doing now I just needed some shit capable of running a python script :p
2018-05-04T22:18:52 < zyp> and armbian seemed the easiest way
2018-05-04T22:18:56 < Ecco> indeed
2018-05-04T22:19:14 < bitmask> I picked up a pi zero (didnt have zw in stock at the time) when I bought my 3 B+ because $5 why not, havent used it yet though
2018-05-04T22:19:59 < zyp> hmm
2018-05-04T22:20:36 < Steffanx> but i still cant do a drawing bitmask!
2018-05-04T22:20:36 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/rNPsi <- found the device on my network :p
2018-05-04T22:20:53 < zyp> been running flawlessly for three months now
2018-05-04T22:21:15 < bitmask> never Steffanx 
2018-05-04T22:21:23 < Steffanx> pfff
2018-05-04T22:21:41 < zyp> so, I'm running the pc2 image on a zero plus
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2018-05-04T22:24:31 < bitmask> https://a360.co/2HNCWU5
2018-05-04T22:24:44 < bitmask> I should just throw everything inside
2018-05-04T22:25:19 < Ecco> bitmask: Nice :)
2018-05-04T22:25:23 < Ecco> Lots of empty space though
2018-05-04T22:25:27 < zyp> is the box meant to be printed in one piece?
2018-05-04T22:25:32 < bitmask> oops forgot to show the rpi
2018-05-04T22:25:38 < Ecco> Also, most likely not moldable :)
2018-05-04T22:25:39 < bitmask> just resaved it
2018-05-04T22:25:59 < bitmask> yea one piece except for the top which I havent designed yet
2018-05-04T22:26:29 < zyp> seems a bit inconvenient to work in, having to reach in from the open end
2018-05-04T22:27:29 < bitmask> yea its not ideal but it will be fine, any screws or anything will be done from the top
2018-05-04T22:27:51 < zyp> how about a base with frames to mount the stuff, and then a lid with side walls that you can slide down over it?
2018-05-04T22:29:33 < bitmask> ive thought about stuff like that but I'd rather keep it simple with fewer joints/screws. I just have to put the rpi in first and then everything else slides down into place
2018-05-04T22:29:40 < Ecco> bitmask: What is this, by the way?
2018-05-04T22:29:43 < bitmask> pen plotter
2018-05-04T22:29:47 < bitmask> main case
2018-05-04T22:30:01 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/ifAvSnR
2018-05-04T22:31:01 < Ecco> Nice
2018-05-04T22:32:01 < bitmask> using it for a school project so I'm making it two arms that draw together, otherwise I wouldnt bother with two arms but the goal is to get them to determine order of lines to draw without bumping into each other
2018-05-04T22:32:50 < zyp> how are you doing that?
2018-05-04T22:33:48 < bitmask> havent really tested any part of it yet but the plan is to use simulated annealing which I learned in AI to solve the traveling salesman problem with two agents
2018-05-04T22:36:44 < bitmask> and by having a list of lines for each arm go through it and see if the arms bounding boxes collide and ignore those results.  seems like a lot to ignore which could make it take a long time so I guess I'll see how performance is when I get there
2018-05-04T22:37:19 < zyp> how does the input data look? basically a list of curves?
2018-05-04T22:37:31 < zyp> I mean, a list of line segments?
2018-05-04T22:38:38 < zyp> will the arms have different pens, or can any segment be drawn by either pen?
2018-05-04T22:38:49 < bitmask> yea, i'm basically using svg format at the moment.  I want to create a bit more simplified version though to not have nested transforms and stuff like that which just add processing time.  I may completely convert to line segments before calculating though
2018-05-04T22:39:31 < bitmask> for the project it will be any arm can draw any line but for myself I'm sure i'll add a way to use two colors or something like that
2018-05-04T22:39:57 < bitmask> the drawing areas completely overlap so they both have the same range
2018-05-04T22:40:01 < zyp> okay, that sounds easy enough to solve
2018-05-04T22:40:20 < bitmask> yea I think it will be ok
2018-05-04T22:41:12 < zyp> just divide the work into four areas with a similar amount of work to perform
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2018-05-04T22:41:20 < bitmask> I know I can get a result. I'm just not sure how long it would have to run to get close to an optimal path though with so many possible collisions
2018-05-04T22:41:32 < zyp> then set one tool to do all segments in area 1, then the other do all segments in area 4
2018-05-04T22:41:35 < zyp> 3
2018-05-04T22:41:38 < zyp> *
2018-05-04T22:41:46 < zyp> then when they finish area 1 and 3, set them to do areas 2 and 4
2018-05-04T22:42:06 < bitmask> I kinda dont want to do it that way, I may end up doing something similar with a larger grid though
2018-05-04T22:42:15 < Steffanx> but you dont want to stop when a line corses an area. that gets ugly start/stop pints
2018-05-04T22:42:23 < Steffanx> but you can draw those later ofcourse
2018-05-04T22:42:53 < bitmask>  I'd like to see it drawing back and forth with long lines and still avoiding each other, close calls make it more interesting :)
2018-05-04T22:42:59 < zyp> Steffanx, yes, but you can select area borders to only go through vertices, not lines
2018-05-04T22:43:47 < zyp> you only need four areas, and the middle two areas needs to be wide enough that the tools can't crash when working on the borders of it
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2018-05-04T22:46:36 < Steffanx> just make it a matrix printer bitmask, much easier.
2018-05-04T22:47:12 < bitmask_> thats no fun
2018-05-04T22:47:20 < Steffanx>  i know
2018-05-04T22:47:30 < Steffanx> but me not being to draw is no fun either
2018-05-04T22:47:48 < Steffanx> :P
2018-05-04T22:49:59 < zyp> I implemented print bed probing the other day
2018-05-04T22:50:13 < zyp> the print bed of this tevo thing I'm borrowing is bent as fuck
2018-05-04T22:50:15 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/dTMSu.png
2018-05-04T22:51:15 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/ZFNPe.png
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2018-05-04T22:52:18 < zyp> I'm curious how it'll change shape as it heats up
2018-05-04T22:52:28 < zyp> but I haven't implemented heater support yet :p
2018-05-04T22:53:18 < englishman> mmmm fresh paste
2018-05-04T22:53:23 < englishman> so silky smooth
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2018-05-04T22:53:33 < bitmask> damn internet
2018-05-04T22:53:40 < Steffanx> hmm, it's not as worse as the glass plate that came with my CR10 zyp.. :P
2018-05-04T22:53:49 < zyp> Steffanx, no?
2018-05-04T22:54:02 < Steffanx> No, that was was fucking terrible. 
2018-05-04T22:54:06 < zyp> sucks
2018-05-04T22:54:08 < zyp> :p
2018-05-04T22:54:18 < Steffanx> it was really ) shapped. but that rotated 90 degrees ofcourse.
2018-05-04T22:54:22 < Steffanx> *shaped
2018-05-04T22:54:31 < Steffanx> ikea mirrors <3
2018-05-04T22:54:40 < englishman> wow i hope that 3d graph is exaggerated in the Z axis
2018-05-04T22:54:53 < Steffanx> i assume it's in mm englishman..
2018-05-04T22:55:01 < Ultrasauce> i have a bunch of air bubbles under my print bed's sticker surface thing
2018-05-04T22:55:02 < englishman> how are we to know? there are no axis labels.
2018-05-04T22:55:46 < Steffanx> how? in this part of the world we use a decent metric.
2018-05-04T22:56:12 < zyp> yes, the numbers are all in mm
2018-05-04T22:56:47 < zyp> I didn't consider that some of us doesn't live in a civilized world where that's obvious
2018-05-04T22:57:07 < Steffanx> its more a case of autism.
2018-05-04T22:57:11 < Steffanx> no labels is no unit.
2018-05-04T22:58:26 < Ultrasauce> also yes the shape will definitely change when you heat it up
2018-05-04T22:58:36 < Ultrasauce> you should probably level the bed too though :V
2018-05-04T22:58:41 < Steffanx> You all did that using python zyp? Or did you implement some "stop on endstop"-ish stuff?
2018-05-04T22:58:53 < inca> my LCD appears to have extra pixels in both X and Y. how can I test this...
2018-05-04T22:59:19 < zyp> Steffanx, https://paste.jvnv.net/view/l2ND1
2018-05-04T22:59:36 < Steffanx> how do you level when it's 'U' shaped Ultrasauce? 
2018-05-04T23:00:09 < Ultrasauce> that's warping but there's an obvious slope along x too
2018-05-04T23:00:16 < Steffanx> Yes true, 
2018-05-04T23:00:21 < vampi-the-frog> America is the greatest country in the world.
2018-05-04T23:00:49 < Steffanx> Are you a happy guy vampi-the-frog?
2018-05-04T23:00:58 < vampi-the-frog> Not until I move to America.
2018-05-04T23:01:02 < vampi-the-frog> Murica
2018-05-04T23:01:04 < vampi-the-frog> Fuck yeah
2018-05-04T23:01:06 < vampi-the-frog> Freedom is the only way
2018-05-04T23:02:03 < zyp> Steffanx, so python does all the heavy lifting, and then tells the firmware «execute this until you hit endstop 3»
2018-05-04T23:02:42 < zyp> firmware keeps track of current position, so python then just needs to read back where it stopped
2018-05-04T23:03:08 < bitmask> whats running python? do you just have a link to your pc?
2018-05-04T23:03:15 < bitmask> serial or something?
2018-05-04T23:03:20 < zyp> usb
2018-05-04T23:03:28 < vampi-the-frog> American USB.
2018-05-04T23:03:42 < zyp> not really anything american about it
2018-05-04T23:04:19 < bitmask> have you had a stroke vampi?
2018-05-04T23:04:21 < zyp> eventually I figure it'll run on some embedded cortex-a thing
2018-05-04T23:04:34 < zyp> but for testing, running on my pc is most convenient
2018-05-04T23:05:04 < zyp> that's actually why I originally bought the orange pi zero, I was going to see if that would be suitable
2018-05-04T23:05:05 < bitmask> yea, better than my setup of a rpi + disco board.  I gotta start making pcbs
2018-05-04T23:05:08 < vampi-the-frog> I stroke it all the time
2018-05-04T23:05:38 < Steffanx> Reminds me of this work project where they decided to use lunix as host system. It would communicate over CAN, also the endstops. And the software had to stop the motor. And some people were surprised it was always a bit too late. 
2018-05-04T23:05:50 < Steffanx> and surprisingly the "to late" time changed every time.
2018-05-04T23:06:08 < Steffanx> and.. i need more ands in my sentences. and.
2018-05-04T23:06:10 < upgrdman> do you even non-realtime-os bruh
2018-05-04T23:06:19 < BrainDamage> you can request realtime priority in lunix
2018-05-04T23:06:20 < Steffanx> excellent choise uh.
2018-05-04T23:06:26 < Steffanx> choice.
2018-05-04T23:06:27 < BrainDamage> it's not hard realtime mind you
2018-05-04T23:06:34 < BrainDamage> but it's close enough for most pourposes
2018-05-04T23:06:43 < Ultrasauce> certainly not as hard as those endstops
2018-05-04T23:06:48 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, is that nice -20 or nice 20, or something else?
2018-05-04T23:07:00 < BrainDamage> something else, there's a specific interface for it
2018-05-04T23:07:04 < upgrdman> k
2018-05-04T23:07:10 < Ultrasauce> panic()
2018-05-04T23:07:25 < BrainDamage> 'pro audio' makes use of it
2018-05-04T23:07:37 < BrainDamage> and some cnc control software
2018-05-04T23:07:49 < Ultrasauce> high speed gpio via toggled caps lock led
2018-05-04T23:07:51 < upgrdman> we should troll by using it and then spinwaiting for long period of time
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2018-05-04T23:08:13 < zyp> when I expand to multiple boards, I'm planning to use an out of band signal to sync endstops
2018-05-04T23:08:33 < BrainDamage> ... I've had on my hands a cnc control board that used the parallel port as gpio ...
2018-05-04T23:08:40 < zyp> master would tell one board to export endstop x on sync signal and other boards to stop on sync signal assertion
2018-05-04T23:08:51 < Steffanx> nah BrainDamage, didnt work well. Changed the host controller to some fancy dual core lpc and all the problems where gone.
2018-05-04T23:09:14 < Rickta59> have you looked at those beagleboard pocket beagles zyp ? comes with 2 embedded mcus in addition to the arm for doing real time stuff
2018-05-04T23:09:15 < Ultrasauce> parallel port was the standard approach for like 25 years i think
2018-05-04T23:09:18 < Steffanx> actually tripple core lpc.
2018-05-04T23:09:45 < Ultrasauce> you can even convince loonix to use PATA as a parallel port for that purpose
2018-05-04T23:09:51 < BrainDamage> didn't work as well as in you actually used the ioop elevator, or did you just set nice and hope for the best?
2018-05-04T23:10:16 < Steffanx> i wasnt really involved, so i dont really know what they tried.
2018-05-04T23:10:19 < Rickta59> https://github.com/beagleboard/pocketbeagle/wiki/FAQ#What_are_Programmable_RealTime_Units_PRUs_anyway
2018-05-04T23:10:28 < Steffanx> but lunix wasnt the right platform anyway.
2018-05-04T23:10:56 < BrainDamage> i agree, but it's not outright impossible to make a motor controller on it
2018-05-04T23:11:15 < BrainDamage> because I've done so with the aforementioned board
2018-05-04T23:12:26 < Steffanx> it wasnt really a motor controller. Just a controller for the motor controllers. Which were controlled over CAN and nothing but CAN.
2018-05-04T23:12:32 < Ultrasauce> windows xp is the one true cnc platform
2018-05-04T23:13:15 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: there's also Xenomai
2018-05-04T23:13:17 < englishman> im using parport for my cnc
2018-05-04T23:13:19 < englishman> works gr8
2018-05-04T23:13:26 < englishman> realtime lunix
2018-05-04T23:13:45 < englishman> cheap j1800 mini itx
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2018-05-04T23:17:47 < Steffanx> only good use for lunix?
2018-05-04T23:17:58 < bitmask> why isnt thingiverse working
2018-05-04T23:18:00 < bitmask> grr
2018-05-04T23:18:07 < Steffanx> works for me.
2018-05-04T23:18:16 < Steffanx> i mean https://www.worksonmymachine.pro/
2018-05-04T23:18:25 < bitmask> can you search?
2018-05-04T23:18:54 < Steffanx> No results found for "can i search?".
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2018-05-04T23:19:07 < bitmask> I dont get results for anything
2018-05-04T23:19:31 < bitmask> I think I'm gonna drop the balcony I always planned and just put in some kinda window as a fan grill
2018-05-04T23:19:45 < Steffanx> Ah right
2018-05-04T23:19:54 < Steffanx> No results.
2018-05-04T23:20:11 < BrainDamage> you know what the world needs? parametric dildo generation
2018-05-04T23:20:18 < bitmask> I need some inspiration
2018-05-04T23:20:25 < BrainDamage> direct coefficient-to-print
2018-05-04T23:20:43 < Steffanx> There was this egg sculpture, not sure it was parametric though
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2018-05-04T23:21:08 < BrainDamage> that's the point of parametric, so that you can easily tweak the shape to fit the 'needs'
2018-05-04T23:21:21 < Rickta59> you missed the boat there BrainDamage I think that exists
2018-05-04T23:22:02 < emeryth> BrainDamage: got u fam http://www.dildo-generator.com/
2018-05-04T23:22:31 < Steffanx> Such lurkers that wake up when it's about dildo generation. Why I'm not surprised.
2018-05-04T23:22:34 < BrainDamage> i don't see a way to export the model
2018-05-04T23:22:39 < Steffanx> tct ^
2018-05-04T23:23:42 < diamondman> clearly you buy the model then 3d scan it
2018-05-04T23:24:15 < Steffanx> Damn more and more wake up. Even people i've never seen before. 
2018-05-04T23:24:18 < Steffanx> I mean: Hi diamondman
2018-05-04T23:24:30 < Steffanx> Welcome.
2018-05-04T23:24:31 < diamondman> :) I am here for dumb i2c questions
2018-05-04T23:24:35 < diamondman> but I stay for the dildos
2018-05-04T23:24:37 < BrainDamage> It's just my magnetic personality
2018-05-04T23:25:30 < Steffanx> I beg to differ
2018-05-04T23:25:50 < Ultrasauce> this place is buzzing tonight
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2018-05-04T23:26:12 < Steffanx> And no one even talked about the cube yet.
2018-05-04T23:26:21 < upgrdman> wut cube
2018-05-04T23:26:24 < Steffanx> The cube.
2018-05-04T23:26:39 < diamondman> the movie, or the stm library?
2018-05-04T23:26:40 < upgrdman> cubemx?
2018-05-04T23:27:32 < diamondman> https://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BZTIyZGM3NDItMTNmNS00Yzc4LTg2MzItOWY4MTE1NDlmZDIyXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTAwMzUyOTc@._V1_.jpg
2018-05-04T23:27:43 < Ultrasauce> that is a very good movie
2018-05-04T23:27:46 < Steffanx> There is only one cube in ##Stm32. The cube.
2018-05-04T23:27:47 < Steffanx> time cube
2018-05-04T23:28:28 < diamondman> only 4 sides, a top and a bottom!!!!.... so clearly I guess... 'blacks belong in africa'. Weird theory :)
2018-05-04T23:28:50 < Steffanx> Im surprised upgrdman didnt jump into the dildo printing.
2018-05-04T23:28:51 < Steffanx> talk
2018-05-04T23:29:13 < upgrdman> ?
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2018-05-04T23:29:24 < Steffanx> Usually that's your thing.
2018-05-04T23:29:34 < upgrdman> ya i need to dust off my 3d printer and get back to developing my centipede robot
2018-05-04T23:29:58 < upgrdman> but i got sidetracked with writing my own slicer, because reasons, and then i kinda lost interest.
2018-05-04T23:30:23 < Ultrasauce> i cant imagine why
2018-05-04T23:30:42 < Steffanx> So you order something from Aliexpress. They say they ship from EU, then you get a tracking number and see its in f*cking china -_-
2018-05-04T23:30:47 < upgrdman> side note, i would have much more attention in high school if i knew math was actually useful
2018-05-04T23:31:09 < Ultrasauce> math is dumb dont use it
2018-05-04T23:31:15 < upgrdman> ^ pro tip
2018-05-04T23:31:15 < diamondman> well, most people teach math shitty
2018-05-04T23:31:15 < Rickta59> .quit
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2018-05-04T23:31:26 < upgrdman> diamondman, agreed
2018-05-04T23:31:31 < Steffanx> All you need is logic, Ultrasauce?
2018-05-04T23:31:37 < Ultrasauce> that's even dumber
2018-05-04T23:31:41 < Steffanx> binary.
2018-05-04T23:32:24 < diamondman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIKGV2cTgqA
2018-05-04T23:32:32 < diamondman> All you need to know
2018-05-04T23:34:25 < Ultrasauce> i prefer just to attach a long wire to the swd interface and let the christian radio station right by my house do the programming for me
2018-05-04T23:34:29 < Ultrasauce> jesus take the wheel
2018-05-04T23:34:49 < diamondman> Ultrasauce: <3
2018-05-04T23:37:23 < Steffanx> Love is in the air
2018-05-04T23:38:31 < Steffanx> Is that you Terry?
2018-05-04T23:39:57 < Ultrasauce> https://i.imgur.com/4pkVf2W.png
2018-05-04T23:40:38 < diamondman> Ultrasauce: Is that what you get when you click on the youtube link I provided?
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2018-05-04T23:41:46 < diamondman> ok, was worried for a moment lol
2018-05-04T23:41:54 < Ultrasauce> no i went looking for a good terry davis quote but all my archived links are down
2018-05-04T23:42:10 < diamondman> ahhh
2018-05-04T23:45:26 < Steffanx> Welcome superbia1 
2018-05-04T23:47:47 < Steffanx> Awh. What happened?
2018-05-04T23:48:03 < BrainDamage> he used lunix
2018-05-04T23:49:22 < Steffanx> Oh you abuse lunix and thats how it not break BrainDamage ?
2018-05-04T23:49:27 < Steffanx> Does not*
2018-05-04T23:49:35 < englishman> cube (1997) was a great old canadian flick
2018-05-04T23:49:45 < Steffanx> Ok superbia1
2018-05-04T23:49:49 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: yes, i have an abusive relation with lunix
2018-05-04T23:50:06 < Steffanx> Nein.
2018-05-04T23:50:14 < BrainDamage> that's ok superbia1 I'll see you asking for help in #archlinux in my logs anyway :P
2018-05-04T23:50:31 < Steffanx> Lol, busted.
2018-05-04T23:50:48 < diamondman> ah arch. Never went with the pure tap of bleeding edge software
2018-05-04T23:50:53 < Steffanx> Better take a good long nap, superbia1 
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2018-05-04T23:54:57 < karlp> I saw cube in an actual theatre
2018-05-04T23:55:06 < karlp> watched cube 2 and 3 later, they weren't so good...
2018-05-04T23:55:21 < Steffanx> Agreed much.
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2018-05-05T00:07:10 < Thorn> >Adesto Acquires Atmel's Serial Flash Group
2018-05-05T00:07:19 < Thorn> that explains things
2018-05-05T00:08:51 < Cracki> which things would that be?
2018-05-05T00:08:58 < Cracki> (til: atmel had a serial flash group)
2018-05-05T00:11:39 < Steffanx> Aka microchip?
2018-05-05T00:12:32 < Steffanx> What does it explain mr Thorn ?
2018-05-05T00:13:10 < Steffanx> Oh this was news from 6 years ago -_-
2018-05-05T00:13:21 < Steffanx> Lol
2018-05-05T00:16:04 < diamondman> Anyone have an STM32L151 get into a state where it perpetually calls the I2C2_EV_IRQHandler interrupt with the event type I2C_EVENT_MASTER_BYTE_TRANSMITTED while constantly clocking on SCL with SDA stuck at 0? A reset stops it, and it appears after quickly attaching and detaching the slave i2c device (The slave is a battery and the master is the charger)
2018-05-05T00:18:38 < Steffanx> Did you write your own i2c code?
2018-05-05T00:18:50 < Steffanx> And carefully read the shitload of errata?
2018-05-05T00:19:11 < Steffanx> stm32 and i2c is something i avoid whenever i cab
2018-05-05T00:19:13 < Steffanx> Can
2018-05-05T00:19:39 < diamondman> This actually is a custom non CMSIS i2c driver my predecessor wrote because of some hardware bugs. I have read some errata, but the main one I found only said something worthless about SMBUS
2018-05-05T00:19:48 < Thorn> it explains wtf adesto even is and why it sells same part #s as atmel did (such as at25sf etc.)
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2018-05-05T00:25:15 < Thorn> STM32F030F4P6 is cheaper than STM8S003F3P6
2018-05-05T00:27:41 < karlp> we told you to stick with stm32 :)
2018-05-05T00:28:25 < Thorn> LPC824M201JHI33E is too
2018-05-05T00:39:01 < englishman> im ordering four spools of this heavy 10-conductor cable, and one PIC18F
2018-05-05T00:39:28 < Ultrasauce> is that the digikey equivalent of going to a supermarket and getting a cucumber and vaseline
2018-05-05T00:40:52 < englishman> maybe like buying every jumbo watermelon they have, and one egg
2018-05-05T00:47:11 < Steffanx> Dont forget the cocaine since its cheaper that a reel of mlcc
2018-05-05T00:50:09 < englishman> cant snort those 12pf anymore
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2018-05-05T00:55:21 < zyp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFP0RqktaR4&t=94s <- just get some of these
2018-05-05T00:55:58 < englishman> mmm yes
2018-05-05T00:57:25 < englishman> just that 20-nozzle head
2018-05-05T00:57:43 < stvn> :D
2018-05-05T00:58:59 < kakimir> what if the deal with mlcc caps atm?
2018-05-05T00:59:13 < englishman> there arent any
2018-05-05T00:59:20 < kakimir> is it some mineral or something in the supply chain
2018-05-05T00:59:49 < kakimir> increased demand?
2018-05-05T01:00:13 < stvn> i blame bitcoin
2018-05-05T01:02:28 < kakimir> oh
2018-05-05T01:03:59 < kakimir> where all are the half-free butcoin mining gpus?
2018-05-05T01:04:09 < kakimir> used ones
2018-05-05T01:05:47 < kakimir> what music to listen in 2/2018?
2018-05-05T01:06:53 < kakimir> isn't that all tha synth vapor retro wave is phasing out
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2018-05-05T01:11:03 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vDfc5ibCLI
2018-05-05T01:20:16 < stvn> m
2018-05-05T01:22:29 < upgrdman> american bros: whats a good brand for quality t-shirts. not some thin cheap shit, but quality fabric.
2018-05-05T01:22:44 < upgrdman> (totally on topic, i know...)
2018-05-05T01:24:34 < kakimir> fruit of loom
2018-05-05T01:24:51 < upgrdman> all of the FOL shit i see in store in thin cheap shit
2018-05-05T01:25:00 < upgrdman> at least their t-shirts
2018-05-05T01:25:21 < upgrdman> i want quality. like 7oz cotton, ringspun, etc.
2018-05-05T01:25:21 < kakimir> why t-shirt?
2018-05-05T01:25:34 < upgrdman> because i dont like collared shirts
2018-05-05T01:27:08 < kakimir> so you want t-shirt made like a polo shirt but without collar
2018-05-05T01:27:32 < upgrdman> i guess you could say that
2018-05-05T01:27:39 < upgrdman> but theres plenty of quality t-shirts
2018-05-05T01:27:40 < BrainDamage> just do like my optics prof that used to wear a polo with the collar all rised up
2018-05-05T01:27:54 < BrainDamage> and unfolded
2018-05-05T01:27:56 < upgrdman> turns out the one that fits me well, the manufucker decided to stop making shirts
2018-05-05T01:28:06 < upgrdman> lol
2018-05-05T01:28:41 < kakimir> I bought some white shirt that is so thin that actually it's translucent
2018-05-05T01:28:48 < upgrdman> ya i see that a lot
2018-05-05T01:28:52 < upgrdman> fucking shit shirts
2018-05-05T01:28:59 < upgrdman> 1oz cotton or someshit
2018-05-05T01:29:07 < kakimir> my nipples are visible but so what
2018-05-05T01:29:43 < upgrdman> anyone kayak'd before?
2018-05-05T01:30:01 < kakimir> y
2018-05-05T01:30:18 < upgrdman> are the sit-on kayaks decent to learn on, or is sit-in a must?
2018-05-05T01:30:30 < upgrdman> not doing white water stuff, just want to dick around
2018-05-05T01:30:35 < mitrax> upgrdman: https://www.joesusa.com/mens-heavyweight-6-1-ounce-100-cotton-t-shirts-in-regular-big-and-tall-sizes/
2018-05-05T01:31:02 < upgrdman> mitrax, you have one?
2018-05-05T01:31:07 < upgrdman> $5 does not inspire confidence
2018-05-05T01:31:11 < upgrdman> that's walmart pricing
2018-05-05T01:32:02 < kakimir> fabrics really cost nothing to fabricate
2018-05-05T01:32:08 < kakimir> pennies
2018-05-05T01:32:14 < upgrdman> i know
2018-05-05T01:32:16 < kakimir> in bangladesh!
2018-05-05T01:32:37 < upgrdman> but in the usa, i've never seen a sub-$15 tshirt that wasnt shit
2018-05-05T01:33:19 < emeryth> this is amazing https://lcsc.com/product-detail/GigaDevice_GD32F330F4P6TR_C182133.html
2018-05-05T01:33:47 < mitrax> upgrdman: no, but at that price it guess no big deal if it's shit. Reviews are old so maybe the fabric has changed since, but some of the best (fabric wise) t-shirts i've had were on the cheap side surprisingly
2018-05-05T01:36:36 < Ultrasauce> kakimir: https://sunnataofficial.bandcamp.com/album/outlands there's my musicspam for the evening
2018-05-05T01:41:50 < stvn> This one time, at band camp
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2018-05-05T02:13:10 < branjb> upgrdman I've used both sit in kayak is more enjoyable
2018-05-05T02:14:03 < branjb> sit on is easy to fall out of if you are a retard or fucking around
2018-05-05T02:16:02 < Ultrasauce> canoes are better, fight me
2018-05-05T02:16:19 < diamondman> I got this stm32L1 and all my issues seem to be in the fucking i2c event handler. If I hook gdb to it and print off the value every time I enter the call, the delay is so much that the device never finishes creating the i2c connection. I obviously d on't wanna do something like print in an interrupt for various reasons.... does anyone have a better suggestion?
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2018-05-05T02:29:03 < zyp> I've also thought about getting a kayak, seems fun
2018-05-05T02:29:40 < zyp> (OTOH: it might be one of the things that seems fun, and then you buy one, use it a couple of times, the fun wears off, and now it just takes up space)
2018-05-05T02:30:40 < BrainDamage> i do have some reserves on canoes, i can tell you sitting in the mid like a bitch will get you drenched
2018-05-05T02:30:56 < BrainDamage> 'you won't get wet unless we tilt over' - he claimed
2018-05-05T02:31:29 < zyp> haha
2018-05-05T02:32:04 < zyp> last time I were in a canoe was when I was a kid, on a school trip or something
2018-05-05T02:32:32 < zyp> naturally, since kids are assholes, everybody were splashing each other
2018-05-05T02:38:13 < branjb> zyp it's like a jacuzzi 
2018-05-05T02:39:29 < BrainDamage> moral of the story: don't trust Ultrasauce
2018-05-05T02:39:58 < Ultrasauce> we both know it was neither the first nor the last time ive made you wet ;)
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2018-05-05T02:42:33 < branjb> can you find HDPE sheets around town at any chain stores, or is that all local shops/online shit?
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2018-05-05T03:13:11 < karlp> diamondman: use SWO
2018-05-05T03:13:22 < karlp> canoes are great, I'm with ultra
2018-05-05T03:21:14 < diamondman> Ah nice, I mostly have worked with JTAG so I forgot about that.
2018-05-05T03:21:22 < diamondman> karlp: ^
2018-05-05T03:21:32 < diamondman> I just gotta figure out how to get that running in gdb :)
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2018-05-05T04:00:16 < Thorn> how do I stop circular DMA after a certain number of transfers (not divisible by 1/2 buffer size)?
2018-05-05T04:01:04 < Thorn> do I have to reinit DMA before the last incomplete half buffer is transferred?
2018-05-05T04:02:00 < dongs> no you can just disable the dma in CR or whaetver register
2018-05-05T04:02:09 < dongs> DMA_Cmd(disable) or whatever
2018-05-05T04:02:14 < dongs> whatever reg that touches
2018-05-05T04:02:28 < Thorn> yeah but how do I know when to do that
2018-05-05T04:02:33 < dongs> you don't
2018-05-05T04:02:37 < dongs> unless you're counting it somewhere
2018-05-05T04:03:07 < Thorn> if I'm counting transfers I might as well not use DMA since there are interrupts anyway
2018-05-05T04:03:37 < dongs> right, then you better know your data size ahead of time
2018-05-05T04:03:46 < Thorn> I do
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2018-05-05T04:06:56 < aandrew> Thorn: uh
2018-05-05T04:07:17 < aandrew> Thorn: you think the number of interrupts you're getting for DMA transfers is anywhere near the amount of interrupts you'd be getting without DMA?
2018-05-05T04:07:54 < dongs> how are you counting pulses for DMA?
2018-05-05T04:08:04 < dongs> if its timer, you could probly fuck wiht period/count or something to abort it early
2018-05-05T04:08:09 < Thorn> I mean if I'm counting bytes/words transferred I have an interrupt for each byte/word
2018-05-05T04:08:29 < aandrew> Thorn: that's not how you usually DMA
2018-05-05T04:08:42 < Thorn> exactly
2018-05-05T04:09:44 < Thorn> I guess I'm just going to use double buffers, non-circular dma and will reinit dma in the dma complete interrupt
2018-05-05T04:10:25 < Thorn> since I'm DMAing into DAC @ 8kHz there should be enough time to reinit without losing a cycle
2018-05-05T04:11:01 < aandrew> I have not been paying attention to your exact setup, can you go through it again?
2018-05-05T04:11:31 < Thorn> problem: play audio vla DAC from SPI flash
2018-05-05T04:11:38 < Thorn> up to 2 minutes of it
2018-05-05T04:12:31 < Thorn> DAC is triggered from TIM6 @ 8 kHz
2018-05-05T04:12:38 < Thorn> I can spare 1-2 Kbytes of RAM for buffers
2018-05-05T04:12:58 < Thorn> and there is other stuff going on in the foreground
2018-05-05T04:13:09 < Thorn> this is the setup
2018-05-05T04:13:10 -!- ffffffffffffffff is now known as k\o\w
2018-05-05T04:13:50 < dongs> uhh
2018-05-05T04:13:55 < dongs> then just stop DMA externally when you want to stop audio
2018-05-05T04:14:01 < dongs> who cares how many samples you miss, its fucking audio
2018-05-05T04:14:28 < dongs> want to stop, just disable DMA and teardown the channel settings and rebuild it with wahtever new stuff you wanna play
2018-05-05T04:14:46 < Thorn> if I overrun the end of data it will play a chunk of old data and it might be audible
2018-05-05T04:14:56 < dongs> then don't overrun it?
2018-05-05T04:15:04 < Thorn> I don't 'want' to stop, I need to stop when the file is over
2018-05-05T04:15:09 < aandrew> internal DAC? 
2018-05-05T04:15:17 < Thorn> yes internal DAC
2018-05-05T04:15:33 < aandrew> can't your DAC trigger a DRQ when it's ready for another sample?
2018-05-05T04:16:09 < Thorn> I guess I can init a timer with the total length of the file and stop playback when the timer fires
2018-05-05T04:16:39 < dongs> thorn, if last sample is short, just memset teh buffer before copying it?
2018-05-05T04:16:46 < dongs> at the end of file
2018-05-05T04:16:47 < Thorn> it is triggered by TIM6 which is the most stupid timer besides systick and it runs @ sample rate
2018-05-05T04:16:52 < dongs> then stop it normally w/DMA full buffer length
2018-05-05T04:16:58 < aandrew> then it's a circular DMA, say 1k. halfway IRQ and 100% IRQ triggers SPI DMA for the next block to the apppropriate part of the buffer?
2018-05-05T04:17:38 < dongs> is SPI filling it from DMA also?
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2018-05-05T04:17:55 < Thorn> yes, half/full complete trigger SPI reads (which also use DMA and are much faster than 8kHz lol)
2018-05-05T04:20:08 < aandrew> sounds like two DMAs. 1: SPI->RAM, 2: RAM->DAC. DMA 2 is triggered from DAC ready (which is programmed to the correct sample rate) and 50/100% triggers DMA 1 to fill the right half of the buffer
2018-05-05T04:20:27 < Thorn> correct
2018-05-05T04:21:04 < aandrew> you have a button handler which can abort DMA #2
2018-05-05T04:21:41 < aandrew> and your 50%/100% interrupt checks to see if you are coming ot the end of the audio file and sets the length of the transfer to either 512 bytes or the remainder
2018-05-05T04:21:53 < aandrew> what am I missing?
2018-05-05T04:22:15 < Thorn> no button handler
2018-05-05T04:22:52 < dongs> yes the last part aandrew said.
2018-05-05T04:22:54 < dongs> basically this
2018-05-05T04:22:58 < Thorn> playback stops when all the samples have been played. think wav files
2018-05-05T04:23:01 < dongs> set your last transfer to be equal to file remainder...
2018-05-05T04:23:30 < dongs> if your usual buffer is 512bytes, and you set it to like 100, you';ll get a HT at 50, TC at 100
2018-05-05T04:23:33 < dongs> and it will be all done
2018-05-05T04:23:36 < Thorn> this is the answer if I don't use circular dma
2018-05-05T04:23:44 < dongs> doesnt matter?
2018-05-05T04:24:10 < aandrew> how is this not circular DMA?
2018-05-05T04:25:16 < Thorn> say I have a 1Kbyte buffer and need to play 20 seconds @ 8000 Hz = 160K samples
2018-05-05T04:26:04 < Thorn> um no, that is an even multiple of the buffer size lol
2018-05-05T04:26:16 < Thorn> 160,273 samples
2018-05-05T04:27:20 < aandrew> so what
2018-05-05T04:27:43 < aandrew> very quick psudocode:
2018-05-05T04:27:55 < aandrew> left = filelen;
2018-05-05T04:28:01 < aandrew> while (left) {
2018-05-05T04:28:09 < aandrew>     int xferlen;
2018-05-05T04:28:32 < aandrew>     xferlen = (left < 512) ? left : 512;
2018-05-05T04:28:48 < aandrew>     setup_dma(buf, xferlen);
2018-05-05T04:28:53 < aandrew>     left -= xferlen;
2018-05-05T04:28:56 < aandrew>     buf += xferlen;
2018-05-05T04:28:57 < aandrew> };
2018-05-05T04:29:44 < dongs> ^ this guy transfers
2018-05-05T04:32:56 < aandrew> replace the while() since you'll be in an ISR, but that's the jist of it
2018-05-05T04:33:10 < Thorn> I have pretty much this in an old project (but not using DAC and not DMA driven)
2018-05-05T04:33:30 < Thorn> ok so no circular DMA then
2018-05-05T04:33:50 < aandrew> get it working, then get it good
2018-05-05T04:33:55 < Thorn> double buffered
2018-05-05T04:34:03 < aandrew> but again, this is still circular DMA
2018-05-05T04:34:19 < aandrew> just because you manually retrigger in the 50%/100% handlers doesn't make it non-circular
2018-05-05T04:34:37 < Thorn> just manually 'circular' since I'll reinit dma after each buffer is done
2018-05-05T04:34:38 < aandrew> and you want 50/100 so that you DMA from SPI into the half that the DAC isn't reading
2018-05-05T04:35:01 < aandrew> yes and your interrupt load is still next to nothing compared to PIO
2018-05-05T04:35:10 < Thorn> that is true
2018-05-05T04:35:25 < Thorn> ok thanks for the discussion
2018-05-05T04:35:29 < aandrew> and you can always make your buffers larger if you want to early-optimize for no good reason, which is a common theme here. :-)
2018-05-05T04:36:13 < Thorn> in the previous project I had something like 64 byte buffers or something ridiculous like that and it worked fine lol
2018-05-05T04:36:30 < aandrew> but let's look at numbers. 8kHz is 125us; 512 bytes at 8kHz is 64msec. an interrupt every 64msec is nothing
2018-05-05T04:36:41 < Thorn> (double buffers so 64*2)
2018-05-05T04:37:18 < aandrew> and your SPI->RAM will be bursting anyway which will keep your buses free
2018-05-05T04:37:30 < Thorn> there is parallel DMA into WS2812B which is the most time sensitive part
2018-05-05T04:37:58 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/kPHco989.html 
2018-05-05T04:38:02 < aandrew> yes, but there's LOTS of code out showing how to do that as a background task
2018-05-05T04:38:06 < dongs> ^ F1 circular DMA for mod player
2018-05-05T04:38:12 < dongs> wiht HT/TC
2018-05-05T04:38:26 < dongs> oh, its for timer nto dac tho
2018-05-05T04:38:40 < aandrew> mod player? man that brings back memories
2018-05-05T04:39:09 < Thorn> anyway F0 has DMA priorities so should be no problem
2018-05-05T04:43:28 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L-ZGksh9n8 it didnt sound too terrible either
2018-05-05T04:43:32 < dongs> shitty speaker
2018-05-05T04:43:38 < Thorn> the only problem is ws2812 timer DMA is on the same channel as SPI read lol but there are 2 ways around it
2018-05-05T04:44:38 < Thorn> system design (or what it's called properly) failure
2018-05-05T04:44:50 < aandrew> did you write the mod player yourself?
2018-05-05T04:45:22 < aandrew> Thorn: sure but again you can gate the ws2812 updates so they do not happen when a SPI transfer of 512 bytes occurs (which with burst should be fast anyway0
2018-05-05T04:45:53 < aandrew> assume 50MHz SPI that's only like 11usec assuming your flash can do it
2018-05-05T04:46:02 < aandrew> er no I'm off by a factor of 8
2018-05-05T04:46:08 < aandrew> 82usec
2018-05-05T04:46:38 < Thorn> 48MHz MCU, I think 24MHz SPI max
2018-05-05T04:47:02 < Thorn> in prev project it was running @ 4MHz I think which should be enough anyway
2018-05-05T04:47:05 < aandrew> ok so double that, 160usec. Nobody will notice their WS2812 update is delayed up to 200usec. :-)
2018-05-05T04:47:16 < Thorn> yeah certainly
2018-05-05T04:50:52 < stvn> rofl at the source code beggers on youtube
2018-05-05T04:50:58 < dongs> stvn, eyah lol
2018-05-05T04:51:03 < stvn> not sure if indians
2018-05-05T04:51:07 < dongs> most likely
2018-05-05T04:51:33 < aandrew> the indians have their own entire codeshare site, that pudn thing
2018-05-05T04:51:55 < dongs> i sscammed an account on there once
2018-05-05T04:51:57 < dongs> looong tiem ago
2018-05-05T04:52:00 < dongs> it still works for downloading anything
2018-05-05T04:52:08 < aandrew> I just use sonsivri for that stuff
2018-05-05T04:52:09 < dongs> not sure who's paying, if anyone
2018-05-05T04:52:17 < dongs> pudn has hardware shit tho
2018-05-05T04:52:24 < dongs> not useless indian matlab code
2018-05-05T04:53:16 < aandrew> yeah it's useful occasionally
2018-05-05T04:56:09 < Thorn> I found VCS, Virtuoso and more 5/6-figure software on a Chinese file sharing site, dunno how to download lol
2018-05-05T04:58:46 < dongs> ask R2COM
2018-05-05T04:58:54 < dongs> the fuck are any of those things anyway
2018-05-05T04:59:18 < dongs> Conceptually, Virtuoso provides a “Data Junction Box” that drives enterprise and individual agility by deriving a Semantic Web of Linked Data from existing data
2018-05-05T04:59:34 < Thorn> lol, Cadence Virtuoso
2018-05-05T04:59:42 < aandrew> what the fuck is that
2018-05-05T04:59:42 < dongs> more like semitic web
2018-05-05T05:00:03 < aandrew> "a data junction box that drives enterprise and individual agility by deriving a semantic web of linked data"
2018-05-05T05:00:08 < aandrew> that is pure buzzword bingo
2018-05-05T05:00:13 < dongs> ikr?
2018-05-05T05:00:43 < aandrew> they missed synergistic, leverage and cloud though
2018-05-05T05:01:19 < Thorn> VCS = Synopsys verlog/vhdl sim, 5 figures/year. virtuoso = physical IC design, 6 figures/year
2018-05-05T05:01:31 < dongs> right but whats a nigga like you gonna do with it
2018-05-05T05:01:38 < dongs> its not like you gonna tape out any ICs
2018-05-05T05:01:49 < dongs> and you can just acquire quartus or something for VHDL
2018-05-05T05:01:53 < Thorn> VCS could be useful
2018-05-05T05:01:54 < dongs> or just use the free shit
2018-05-05T05:02:23 < dongs> i bet it still uses fucking tcl and shit
2018-05-05T05:03:00 < Thorn> there is a russian IC design chat in telegram but there are cadence and probably synopsys employees there so I can't really ask there lol
2018-05-05T05:03:35 < dongs> lol
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2018-05-05T05:03:58 < dongs> i doubt anyone on telegram has ever paid for any software
2018-05-05T05:04:11 < dongs> also it should be banned now right?
2018-05-05T05:04:16 < dongs> so the only remaining people on there will be hax0rs
2018-05-05T05:04:33 < dongs> a real corp employee wouldn't bother doing vpn or some other shit to avoid b&
2018-05-05T05:04:45 < dongs> ynm
2018-05-05T05:06:12 < dongs> haha to download vcs brochure you gotta fill in company info and email and shit
2018-05-05T05:06:17 < dongs> fuckem
2018-05-05T05:11:04 < stvn> hmmmmm
2018-05-05T05:11:58 < stvn> l0de
2018-05-05T05:37:21 < aandrew> lol timecop you're being hailed as bettter than george washington on lrh
2018-05-05T05:37:50 < aandrew> bah wrong fucking chan
2018-05-05T05:39:37 < stvn> hi sir
2018-05-05T05:40:17 < stvn> you watch lrh?
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2018-05-05T05:50:02 < stvn> trinary computing
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2018-05-05T06:29:24 < Thorn> how do I seed my rng
2018-05-05T06:29:59 < Thorn> time user input?
2018-05-05T06:30:12 < scrts> gents, do you use kicad?
2018-05-05T06:30:18 < englishman> no
2018-05-05T06:31:03 < Thorn> I need ENTROPY
2018-05-05T06:33:10 < englishman> lsbs of adc channel
2018-05-05T06:33:10 < aandrew> Thorn: seed with the unique id, not you can use free running timer and grab user input too
2018-05-05T06:33:27 < aandrew> Thorn: maybe revrse-bias a transistor and grab it with the comparator
2018-05-05T06:33:36 < englishman> lsbs of a fast timer
2018-05-05T06:33:56 < aandrew> does your stm32 have an RNG
2018-05-05T06:33:58 < englishman> lsbs of a timer after a user button press
2018-05-05T06:34:16 < Thorn> unique id doesn't change between resets does it
2018-05-05T06:34:21 < aandrew> Thorn: of course not
2018-05-05T06:34:43 < Thorn> so the prng sequence will be the same
2018-05-05T06:34:44 < aandrew> it's your IV though to help keep each device's initial seed different
2018-05-05T06:34:55 < Thorn> exactly what I want to avoid
2018-05-05T06:35:07 < aandrew> does yoru stm32 have an rng?
2018-05-05T06:35:44 < Thorn> no, f0
2018-05-05T06:35:49 < aandrew> ah
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2018-05-05T06:36:06 < aandrew> then timer and use unique id as IV
2018-05-05T06:36:39 < aandrew> depending on just how much random you want you can add a transistor in avalanche mode and use the comparator 
2018-05-05T06:37:00 < Thorn> too late for hardware changes
2018-05-05T06:38:35 < stvn> hmm
2018-05-05T06:38:49 < stvn> lode is on the internet again
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2018-05-05T06:53:21 < psprint_> 3g modules seem to be not cheap, does someone know if there is a distinction between full 3g module (to build e.g. a phone) and internet-only module – this one might be cheap
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2018-05-05T07:17:22 < stvn> i've just been niggered
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2018-05-05T07:21:50 < stvn> no.exe on trying to install a new copy of win10 on the provided USB stick
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2018-05-05T07:22:46 < stvn> i've been using winpros since 1993 and this is a first for me
2018-05-05T07:24:16 < stvn> gonna download the iso direct from msoft and if this doesn't work i'm going to sperg out
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2018-05-05T09:39:57 < qyx> you should migrate to haiku os then
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2018-05-05T09:44:08 < stvn> wut is haiku os
2018-05-05T09:50:36 < stvn> ... https://www.haiku-os.org/files/locale.png
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2018-05-05T09:55:00 < stvn> you're kidding.
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2018-05-05T10:39:44 < dongs> thanks thorn
2018-05-05T10:39:52 < dongs> now all myads are for synopsys vcs
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2018-05-05T11:04:53 < Steffanx> I heard its lunix fix day today
2018-05-05T11:14:11 < stvn> wut is that
2018-05-05T11:19:45 < antto> stvn how do u burn the iso?
2018-05-05T11:23:47 < mitrax> Steffanx: yeah, and what a superb day to fix lunix, *wink wink*
2018-05-05T11:30:29 < stvn> antto with a dvd drive
2018-05-05T11:30:47 < stvn> i download it from microsoft website
2018-05-05T11:31:15 < antto> it doesn't boot?
2018-05-05T11:31:36 < stvn> the windows 10 usb stick (in the windows 10 box) was crashing
2018-05-05T11:31:45 < stvn> i just burned a DVD of w10 and it works.
2018-05-05T11:31:57 < antto> ah, k
2018-05-05T11:32:06 < Steffanx> U need rufus
2018-05-05T11:32:11 < stvn> why
2018-05-05T11:32:29 < antto> the win10 installation iso is a bit tricky
2018-05-05T11:32:44 < Steffanx> Its the bestest bootable usb creat0r
2018-05-05T11:32:48 < antto> iirc if you write it directly (with dd) it doesn't work
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2018-05-05T11:33:10 < antto> rufus works
2018-05-05T11:33:19 < Steffanx> Lol first time i read Superb IA. In his nick, mitraX
2018-05-05T11:33:25 < stvn> wow it even picked up my wifi card off the bat
2018-05-05T11:33:39 < Steffanx> Windows 10 is great.
2018-05-05T11:33:40 < antto> of course it will
2018-05-05T11:33:46 < stvn> bet it wont pick my gpu
2018-05-05T11:33:50 < Steffanx> It will.
2018-05-05T11:33:54 < stvn> coffee lake integrated gfx
2018-05-05T11:34:01 < antto> it's vital that it can talk to the mothership
2018-05-05T11:34:09 < stvn> heh
2018-05-05T11:35:11 < stvn> i wonder the diff between 850 pro and 860 pro SSDs (both 500gb)
2018-05-05T11:35:25 < Steffanx> I bet you wont notice
2018-05-05T11:35:26 < antto> the diff is 10
2018-05-05T11:36:00 < Steffanx> 20.
2018-05-05T11:36:19 < antto> how i know? calculator.exe abs(850 - 860)
2018-05-05T11:36:33 < Steffanx> I didnt say 20 what :P
2018-05-05T11:36:40 < mitrax> antto: who told you it's decimal!?
2018-05-05T11:36:59 < Steffanx> Hah antto
2018-05-05T11:37:13 < stvn> the new one has 5 year warranty
2018-05-05T11:37:20 < antto> did you just ASSUME how my calculator works?
2018-05-05T11:37:22 < stvn> so when i lose all my data at least i get a new drive right?
2018-05-05T11:37:33 < Steffanx> Yes
2018-05-05T11:37:44 < Steffanx> Or money back
2018-05-05T11:37:52 < Steffanx> I got money back
2018-05-05T11:38:08 < mitrax> Steffanx: you had one that died?
2018-05-05T11:38:23 < stvn> i had a corsair ssd that died in a year
2018-05-05T11:38:38 < Steffanx> But this was Crucial, never again
2018-05-05T11:38:55 < mitrax> ah
2018-05-05T11:39:13 < stvn> MICROSOFT BASIC DISPLAY ADAPTER
2018-05-05T11:39:16 < stvn> yeah nah mate
2018-05-05T11:39:22 < Steffanx> Only samsung now. Didnt see those die.
2018-05-05T11:39:45 < Steffanx> Do the windows update stvn. It should find your driver
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2018-05-05T11:40:54 < mitrax> i've had problems with one of the first crucial ssd model, MX400 or something, the firmware had a bug that made it refuse writes after N hours of uptime, causing a BSOD, fortunately they issued a fix
2018-05-05T11:41:53 < stvn> windows update
2018-05-05T11:42:01 < stvn> hmmm im already downloading the dog, no point
2018-05-05T11:42:59 < mitrax> now, samsung 850... 
2018-05-05T11:43:05  * mitrax knocks on wood
2018-05-05T11:50:48 < stvn> i've used that 850 for over 2 years without fail
2018-05-05T11:55:44 < Steffanx> Whats the wear lvl?
2018-05-05T11:57:37 < mitrax> mmh power on hours: 15592 wear leveling count: 7
2018-05-05T11:59:43 < mitrax> remaining life: 99%
2018-05-05T12:01:43 < stvn> the dogs
2018-05-05T12:03:16 < stvn> you just wait a cotton-picking minute
2018-05-05T12:07:24 < mitrax> btw, i encountered something i had never seen before the other day, an hdd (non ssd) that had no faulty sectors but read and seek errors in the hundred millions or so in the SMART attributes... as if the read/seek ops regularly failed but not to the point of causing sectors to be marked as bad
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2018-05-05T12:10:09 < Cracki> it retries the read
2018-05-05T12:10:24 < Cracki> so prolly head fucked, not the platter
2018-05-05T12:11:02 < mitrax> well yes of course, but it seemed weird it would succeed each time on retry
2018-05-05T12:11:22 < Cracki> the head is a servo. the head reads timing info from the platter.
2018-05-05T12:11:29 < Cracki> "each time" unlikely
2018-05-05T12:11:32 < Cracki> it'll retry a lot
2018-05-05T12:11:39 < Cracki> desktop drives can retry for minutes
2018-05-05T12:12:15 < mitrax> Cracki: do you have an idea of how many failed attempt it takes before controllers usually mark a sector as defective?
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2018-05-05T12:12:22 < Cracki> dunno
2018-05-05T12:12:51 < Cracki> I only know "enterprise" drives are set to give up within less than 7 seconds and let the sata/sas controller handle the error
2018-05-05T12:14:07 < Cracki> I'd guess the exact heuristics are up to whoever wrote the firmware
2018-05-05T12:14:08 < mitrax> ok, well that seemed unusual but maybe that's more common than i think, i haven't checked a hundred drives smart attributes but those i checked at 0 raw read errors
2018-05-05T12:14:23 < mitrax> err at/had 0 
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2018-05-05T12:51:55 < stvn> hmm
2018-05-05T12:52:14 < Steffanx> pizza?
2018-05-05T12:52:43 < mitrax> next week is pizza week!
2018-05-05T12:52:56  * mitrax is going to Italy
2018-05-05T12:53:56 < Steffanx> say hi to mr Brain Damage 
2018-05-05T12:54:18 < mitrax> do you remember what city he lives in? i think he told me once but i forgot
2018-05-05T12:54:30 < Steffanx> maybe, but i wouldnt say it out loud.
2018-05-05T12:55:51 < stvn> pizza yeah
2018-05-05T12:59:01 < stvn> kyle microvision
2018-05-05T13:05:13 < stvn> mitrax: why italy?
2018-05-05T13:06:31 < mitrax> stvn: cause it's nice for vacation time and not too far away
2018-05-05T13:06:55 < stvn> cool
2018-05-05T13:13:35 < tpw_rules> why do some swd connectors have resistors in series with the lines
2018-05-05T13:13:39 < tpw_rules> like 50 or 100 ohm
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2018-05-05T13:44:45 < mitrax> tpw_rules: my guess is to limit the current on those lines so it doesn't accidentally go beyond the max sinkable / sourceable current, that could happen if you reconfigure the SWDIO / SWCLK as gpio pins and a programmer is connected for example
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2018-05-05T13:50:17 < Steffanx> Its real now: dongs did juicero
2018-05-05T13:50:35 < Steffanx> stvn just figured it out.
2018-05-05T13:50:37 < dongs> did juicero do wtc or somethign
2018-05-05T13:51:53 < mitrax> SteffanX: that thing was for real?
2018-05-05T13:52:11 < Steffanx> Hell yea
2018-05-05T13:52:25 < mitrax> shit
2018-05-05T13:53:13 < dongs> haha
2018-05-05T13:53:22 < dongs> that shit was complete pumpage
2018-05-05T13:54:39 < stvn> literally
2018-05-05T14:00:16 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpmd7renbxI
2018-05-05T14:08:08 < stvn> dumb and dumber
2018-05-05T14:11:50 < mitrax> talking about dumb ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WREyAicJXkM
2018-05-05T14:12:21 < mitrax> the guy died trying to beat his own record this morning
2018-05-05T14:13:14 < englishman> i'm going to take a mainframe juice press and make a personal juice press
2018-05-05T14:20:27 < Steffanx> All you need is maple syrup..
2018-05-05T14:23:10 < Steffanx> must be local news mitrax, google doesnt seem to know
2018-05-05T14:25:25 < PaulFertser> Everything's in French
2018-05-05T14:25:56 < mitrax> yeah well that was 2 hours ago 
2018-05-05T14:27:13 < PaulFertser> What was it? High-side into an obstacle? :(
2018-05-05T14:28:51 < mitrax> he went off track and bumped into a mound
2018-05-05T14:30:42 < Steffanx> im not saddened.
2018-05-05T14:31:20 < PaulFertser> I kinda am
2018-05-05T14:33:03 < Steffanx> by this news PaulFertser? 
2018-05-05T14:35:45 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: yes.
2018-05-05T14:37:12 < Steffanx> ok, too bad then
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2018-05-05T15:25:30 < emeryth> on F4, can DMA be used to write to flash?
2018-05-05T15:25:41 < Ecco> I believe it can
2018-05-05T15:25:50 < Ecco> (I remember reading about DMA access in the Flash doc)
2018-05-05T15:26:13 < Ecco> I'm not sure it's worth the trouble though, because Flash writes are kinda slow
2018-05-05T15:27:11 < Steffanx> You need blaxter or brain damage
2018-05-05T15:27:14 < Steffanx> I think
2018-05-05T15:27:26 < stvn> mm
2018-05-05T15:27:43 < Steffanx> You fixed lunix? Certainly worth a Ieee paper
2018-05-05T15:28:52 < Steffanx> Or is it about the Nim?
2018-05-05T15:30:23 < Steffanx> Achso
2018-05-05T15:30:30 < Steffanx> Is there no #ieee ?
2018-05-05T15:32:04 < stvn> I see
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2018-05-05T15:54:31 < Steffanx> Gentlemen? Where?
2018-05-05T16:07:45 < mitrax> superbia: let's try some trigger words
2018-05-05T16:07:53 < mitrax> EMDRIVE
2018-05-05T16:08:13 < mitrax> UKIP
2018-05-05T16:08:49  * mitrax hides in the bushes and waits
2018-05-05T16:10:10 < Streaker> hunting for a girlfriend again?
2018-05-05T16:10:34 < Steffanx> Lolz
2018-05-05T16:12:47 < mitrax> Streaker: no, just summoning Laurenceb
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2018-05-05T16:32:35 < dongs> sup dongs
2018-05-05T16:40:47 < Steffanx> sky.
2018-05-05T16:46:39 < dongs> nope
2018-05-05T16:51:47 < Steffanx> ok
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2018-05-05T19:00:27 < Turski> Hi! Anyone succesfully using arm-none-eabi-gcc 8.1.0? I'm having some problems with linker https://ptpb.pw/H8Jd
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2018-05-05T19:02:12 < Turski> As you can see, no problems with gcc 7.3.0
2018-05-05T19:06:34 < dongs> have you tried with KEIL
2018-05-05T19:07:31 < Turski> There is no KEIL for linux
2018-05-05T19:08:01 < Turski> Hmm, probably has something to do with this one https://git.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/arm-none-eabi-gcc&id=b392f053c6c4ac07b085ccbc4e8fc4bf88849dbd
2018-05-05T19:08:57 < dongs> thats because lunix is garbage
2018-05-05T19:09:00 < dongs> your arcshit even more so
2018-05-05T19:09:08 < dongs> have you tried actually downloading that gcc from arm.com
2018-05-05T19:09:12 < dongs> or whaetver its hsoted at now
2018-05-05T19:09:16 < dongs> instead of using some faggot non-working package
2018-05-05T19:09:31 < Turski> Thanks for help and friendly attitude
2018-05-05T19:09:51 < dongs> no problem
2018-05-05T19:10:10 < dongs> https://developer.arm.com/open-source/gnu-toolchain/gnu-rm
2018-05-05T19:10:12 < dongs> download from here
2018-05-05T19:10:18 < dongs> then when that doesn't work, complain
2018-05-05T19:10:21 < sync> yeah, I had issues with the arch package before
2018-05-05T19:10:24 < sync> use the arm one
2018-05-05T19:10:28 < aandrew> lol keil
2018-05-05T19:10:42 < dongs> is great
2018-05-05T19:10:57 < aandrew> Turski: it looks like you compiled some of your source with softfp and some with hardfp
2018-05-05T19:10:58 < Turski> sync: I haven't had such problems before
2018-05-05T19:11:19 < aandrew> it could also be that it's selecting the wrong library to link in and causing that error too
2018-05-05T19:11:25 < Turski> aandrew: all my source is compiled with hardfp as you can see from the flags
2018-05-05T19:11:45 < Turski> so it probably wants to link it with soft supplied library
2018-05-05T19:11:51 < sync> I also had issues that the binaries "worked" but some shit happened and it did unpredictable things
2018-05-05T19:12:01 < sync> changed to the arm toolchain and it just works™
2018-05-05T19:12:13 < dongs> ^ reason why opensores is garbage
2018-05-05T19:12:18 < dongs> nothing fucking works
2018-05-05T19:14:46 < dongs> but yeah
2018-05-05T19:14:52 < dongs> that failure looks like shit linking hardfp and VFP shit
2018-05-05T19:14:59 < dongs> which isn't even a thing on cortex?
2018-05-05T19:15:44 < dongs> cortex-m that is
2018-05-05T19:18:38 < Steffanx> Does keil even do cortex-a5?
2018-05-05T19:19:33 < Steffanx> Seems not. You have to get the awesome eclipse based DS-5 for that
2018-05-05T19:19:55 < Steffanx> Keil mdk that is.
2018-05-05T19:20:26 < Steffanx> Would be funny id keil decided to go for eclipse based entirely
2018-05-05T19:20:32 < Steffanx> If*
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2018-05-05T20:10:57 < Turski> *facepalm* newlib wasn't rebuilt with gcc 8.1.0
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2018-05-05T20:17:40 < dongs> in keil i ahve 2 choices of c runtime
2018-05-05T20:17:44 < dongs> "small" and "damn small"
2018-05-05T20:17:46 < dongs> and they both wrok
2018-05-05T20:17:51 < dongs> and I never have to worry about shit like _sbrk
2018-05-05T20:17:54 < dongs> or whatever crap
2018-05-05T20:17:59 < dongs> even malloc() etc works
2018-05-05T20:18:04 < dongs> no fucking around with linker scripts
2018-05-05T20:18:06 < dongs> no compiling of shit
2018-05-05T20:18:11 < dongs> no dealing with 20 different lunix packages
2018-05-05T20:18:18 < dongs> write code, build, it works.
2018-05-05T20:18:23 < dongs> i like this workflow
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2018-05-05T20:20:04 < Turski> dongs: Well, there are choices. I like to understand what I'm doing
2018-05-05T20:20:33 < dongs> are you familiar with the term "busywork"
2018-05-05T20:21:05 < dongs> i'd like to think lunix and related technologies are perfect example of that
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2018-05-05T20:21:24 < Turski> are you familiar with the term "hobby"?
2018-05-05T20:21:45 < dongs> that's not what busywork antonym of
2018-05-05T20:21:58 < dongs> it doesn't actually mean "work"
2018-05-05T20:22:36 < dongs> it's an activity that keeps one busy, but has very little value
2018-05-05T20:22:47 < dongs> example: watching gcc compile itself scrolling miles of shit across 80x25 console
2018-05-05T20:23:02 < dongs> the end result is, you will have a compiler, but you've spent like 2 hours watching shit scroll
2018-05-05T20:23:35 < Turski> I don't usually have to compile compiles myself
2018-05-05T20:23:55 < dongs> im gonna sleep its like 2am
2018-05-05T20:23:57 < dongs> bbl
2018-05-05T20:24:02 < Turski> Now I wanted to use bleeding edge compiler from testing repository, and found problems with it and fixed it.
2018-05-05T20:24:18 < Turski> good night
2018-05-05T20:30:07 < qyx> stc3100, that damn thing keeps reading values shifted by 8 bits
2018-05-05T20:30:33 < qyx> but only from time to time
2018-05-05T20:30:37 < qyx> how to test it, tell me
2018-05-05T20:30:40  * qyx kakimir mode
2018-05-05T20:31:50 < qyx> building a "house" during the last month, I nearly forgot how to stm32
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2018-05-05T20:44:27 < Steffanx> Turski, you forgot to read the dongs-manual. 
2018-05-05T20:44:39 < Steffanx> 1) Ignore his open sores ramblings
2018-05-05T20:44:58 < Steffanx> 2) Go back to 1.
2018-05-05T20:46:45 < Turski> Steffanx: I kinda got that ;)
2018-05-05T21:01:39 < mitrax> damn gcc is at version 8.1 already? 
2018-05-05T21:04:12 < mitrax> wtf it went from version 3.x in 2000 to version 4.9 in 2014, and now it's 8.x 
2018-05-05T21:04:58 < Steffanx> At least its not version 56 whatever like firefox and chrome do nowadays
2018-05-05T21:07:03 < mitrax> :)
2018-05-05T21:09:57 < fest> hmma, are ceramic resonators are good enough for USB on F103? 
2018-05-05T21:14:01 < fenugrec> fest, unlikely. Use clock recovery
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2018-05-05T21:21:29 < fest> does F103 have it? 
2018-05-05T21:22:25 < fenugrec> the RM would say
2018-05-05T21:23:53 < fest> I've only seen/used it on some F0x device
2018-05-05T21:24:29 < fest> F103 doesn't have that
2018-05-05T21:38:51 < fest> it seems that it should work, with <0.25% resonators
2018-05-05T21:39:43 < fest> USB full speed needs +/- 0.25% frequency tolerance per spec
2018-05-05T21:40:09 < Streaker> Resonators should not be used for anything.
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2018-05-05T22:06:48 < vampi-the-frog> So anyway, I was just beating my wife and...
2018-05-05T22:06:58 < vampi-the-frog> Nah I'm joking, I'm not actually married
2018-05-05T22:07:04 < vampi-the-frog> it was somebody else's wife
2018-05-05T22:30:45 < mitrax> My girls, sir, one of them actually stole a pack of matches, and tried to burn it down. But... I  'corrected' them sir. And when my wife tried to prevent me from doing my duty, I 'corrected' her
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2018-05-05T22:42:31 < qyx> offtopic, jpa-land music, Antti Martikainen - Kalevala
2018-05-05T22:47:45 < Steffanx> not even a youtube like qyx?
2018-05-05T22:48:01 < qyx> not a link dump!
2018-05-05T22:48:04 < qyx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG-bK8e0agQ
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2018-05-05T22:48:29 <@Steffanx> There solved it for ya
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2018-05-05T22:49:46 < qyx> I am very thankful
2018-05-05T22:50:14 < Turski> Steffanx: Firefox 60 should be coming next week
2018-05-05T22:52:19 < karlp> firefox x+1 comes ever few weeks anyway right?
2018-05-05T22:54:02 < Steffanx> Do people in 2018 still care about their browser version?
2018-05-05T22:54:42 < qyx> yes, because it bothers me with a "critically old" warning
2018-05-05T22:55:00 < Steffanx> Except for htat
2018-05-05T22:56:45 < karlp> hrm, I thought USB fs only needed 1%, maybe that was LS.
2018-05-05T23:00:18 < karlp> fest: depends how product like you need it to be, people get usb working on HSI pretty normally, but it's certainly not in spec for production use.
2018-05-05T23:08:19 < fest> karlp: I was looking at external resonators, which are available in the tolerances required
2018-05-05T23:10:00 < fest> anyway, my resonator was accurate enough, I was missing pullup on D+ (argh, F4 and F0 had internal ones) 
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2018-05-05T23:13:53 < mra90> where I can find calling convention of STM32?
2018-05-05T23:30:05 < karlp> mra90: you're trolling is getting worse.
2018-05-05T23:30:20 < karlp> your trolling too
2018-05-05T23:30:30 < karlp> your trolling is getting to be like my english
2018-05-05T23:34:56 < Steffanx> Are you icelanding too mcuh karlp? Soon i'll have to work with an icelander a bit :o
2018-05-05T23:35:39 < karlp> it's been rotting since I moved here.
2018-05-05T23:35:58 < karlp> corrupted by the nasty hobbitssess speaking their englishish
2018-05-05T23:36:24 < fenugrec> are you making Hakarl with you english
2018-05-05T23:36:34 < bitmask> getting closer: https://imgur.com/a/crTU3Uc
2018-05-05T23:37:34 < fenugrec> *your
2018-05-05T23:37:39  * karlp laughs
2018-05-05T23:37:41 < mitrax> bitmask: it was fine until you added the stained glass shit
2018-05-05T23:37:50 < Steffanx> Sure hte airflow over the stepper controllers will be enough mr bitmask?
2018-05-05T23:38:06 < bitmask> thats what the fan is for
2018-05-05T23:38:06 < karlp> I don't get hy they big power supply module is on the other side of the power entry location?
2018-05-05T23:38:30 < karlp> the stained glass shit is cool, but what's the big volume knob for?
2018-05-05T23:40:00 < bitmask> not sure yet tbh but thought it might come in handy at some point :) maybe for adjusting pen height/pressure
2018-05-05T23:40:08 < qyx> lol
2018-05-05T23:40:24 < Steffanx> but you have a web interface for that right? :)
2018-05-05T23:40:26 < bitmask> or speed
2018-05-05T23:40:51 < Steffanx> what about an emergency button? :)
2018-05-05T23:40:52 < bitmask> its just a knob its not a big problem if I don't use it
2018-05-05T23:41:00 < bitmask> thats whats under the knob
2018-05-05T23:41:23 < Steffanx> but it needs to be big and red
2018-05-05T23:41:29 < bitmask> its red and lights up
2018-05-05T23:41:48 < bitmask> https://www.adafruit.com/product/559
2018-05-05T23:42:03 < bitmask> I dont think i got it from adafruit but thats the same one
2018-05-05T23:42:42 < karlp> becasuye it says so!
2018-05-05T23:42:45 < bitmask> because it comes with a washer to keep water out hah
2018-05-05T23:43:18 < Steffanx> Hows the lunix superbia?
2018-05-05T23:43:37 < bitmask> the psu and connector are on opposite sides because they cant fit on adjacent panels. the case isnt that big so a couple inches really doesnt matter
2018-05-05T23:43:50 < Steffanx> im a bit worried it might drive you towards windows superbia
2018-05-05T23:44:15 < Steffanx> what is "the github issue"?
2018-05-05T23:44:41 < mitrax> Steffanx: btw are you still on mac?
2018-05-05T23:45:00 < Steffanx> nope, not really.
2018-05-05T23:46:09 < mitrax> i haven't had sex with anyone in this channel if that's what you're asking
2018-05-05T23:46:14 < Steffanx> I was on hackintosh, but since i bought a gtx 1060 i stopped using the macos
2018-05-05T23:46:28 < mitrax> oooh
2018-05-05T23:46:39 < bitmask> mbp ftw
2018-05-05T23:47:01 < mitrax> Steffanx: oh, but how long had you been on mac before that?
2018-05-05T23:47:12 < Steffanx> But graphics acceleration is broken after waking up from sleep
2018-05-05T23:47:32 < Steffanx> 5/6 years or somethinf
2018-05-05T23:47:33 < Steffanx> G
2018-05-05T23:47:45 < Steffanx> But never fulltime anyway
2018-05-05T23:47:59 < Steffanx> I know what superbia is.
2018-05-05T23:48:31 < mitrax> Steffanx: so you switched back to windows or lunix?
2018-05-05T23:49:12 < Steffanx> Windows.
2018-05-05T23:49:54 < Steffanx> Before my mac time i used opensuse much. Good old times
2018-05-05T23:50:25 < mitrax> superbia: but... what for?
2018-05-05T23:50:50 < mitrax> superbia: can't you /ctcp version him?
2018-05-05T23:51:20 < mitrax> it just says the client, 22:47] [Steffanx VERSION reply]: Quassel IRC v0.10.0 (dist-575f27e) (built on Sep 18 2016 00:39:21), could be lunix!
2018-05-05T23:51:35 < mitrax> or a faked ctcp version reply
2018-05-05T23:51:40 < mitrax> you never know with SteffanX
2018-05-05T23:52:12 < mitrax> most likely 
2018-05-05T23:52:23 < Steffanx> That is lunix.
2018-05-05T23:52:31 < Steffanx> My quasselcore runs on lunix
2018-05-05T23:53:30 < bitmask> -bitmask CTCP- VERSION Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com — v7.0.6
2018-05-05T23:53:37 < bitmask> what is ctcp?
2018-05-05T23:54:05 < mitrax> another theory could be that he is a closeted lunix user
2018-05-05T23:54:44 < mitrax> you know, like closeted homosexuals, they're more vehement against gay than regular people
2018-05-05T23:54:52 < mitrax> gay/gays
2018-05-05T23:55:10 < bitmask> i needs me leds to light up my windows
2018-05-05T23:56:12 < bitmask> damn .12 layer height takes a long time to print
2018-05-05T23:57:15 < Steffanx> So go 0.2
2018-05-05T23:57:19 < mitrax> actually that makes perfect sense
2018-05-05T23:57:28 < mitrax> i bet he's using gcc too, when nobody watches
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2018-05-05T23:57:49 < bitmask> this is only a 3-4 hour print so I dont mind, I wanted detail for it. I'll do .2 for the rest
2018-05-05T23:57:57 < bitmask> I just like bitching
2018-05-05T23:58:22 < Steffanx> The ##stm32 spirit enlighted you
2018-05-05T23:58:30 < bitmask> its just been going an hour already and I looked over and its only like 1mm off the build plate
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2018-05-06T00:04:56 < mitrax> did they remove offline maps from google map android app?
2018-05-06T00:05:13 < mitrax> nvm
2018-05-06T00:06:27 < Steffanx> Ok
2018-05-06T00:30:37 < Steffanx> Still no english news website that picked up on that tragic(not) death of François Gissy, mitraX?  
2018-05-06T00:32:16 < Steffanx> Star wars -_-
2018-05-06T00:36:50 < mitrax> steffanx: doesn't seem so
2018-05-06T00:41:48 < Steffanx> I have to with all the french i understand: "est mort"
2018-05-06T00:43:33 < mitrax> Steffanx: site of the crash if you're interested, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDeL1868FbY&t=0m15s 
2018-05-06T00:46:06 < mitrax> kinda retarded to train there when there's a pit along the track
2018-05-06T00:47:27 < jadew> http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/feminism.jpg
2018-05-06T00:48:23 < jadew> NSFW: http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/flat.png
2018-05-06T00:49:06 < mitrax> wtf
2018-05-06T00:49:19 < mitrax> please tell me that's not for real
2018-05-06T00:49:26 < jadew> looks real
2018-05-06T00:51:11 < mitrax> why....?
2018-05-06T00:51:39 < mitrax> oh well at least that may be reversible
2018-05-06T00:51:52 < jadew> coming back from flat land?
2018-05-06T00:51:59 < mitrax> yeah
2018-05-06T00:52:11 < jadew> now I kinda wish I saw the video of that
2018-05-06T00:52:25 < mitrax> i wonder what's worst
2018-05-06T00:52:32 < jadew> think it would hurt?
2018-05-06T00:52:53 < mitrax> the picture itself or me staring at it for 3 min since you posted it
2018-05-06T00:53:03 < jadew> heh
2018-05-06T00:53:14 < mitrax> ok closed
2018-05-06T00:53:20  * mitrax shivers
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2018-05-06T00:53:31 < jadew> shouldn't be that hard to find someone online to redo the experiment and film it
2018-05-06T00:53:38 < jadew> hmm... maybe someone already did that
2018-05-06T00:53:41 < mitrax> let's ask kakimir
2018-05-06T00:53:44 < jadew> incognito time
2018-05-06T00:54:18 < mitrax> kakimir: hi, we need your help
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2018-05-06T00:55:44 < mitrax> kakimir: do you have any plexiglass/polycarbonate plates in your workshop?
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2018-05-06T00:56:25 < jadew> ok... I have to end this search early
2018-05-06T00:56:30 < jadew> didn't find what I was looking for
2018-05-06T00:56:37 < jadew> but found more disturbing stuff
2018-05-06T00:56:46 < mitrax> jadew: yeah... how did you end up with that picture?
2018-05-06T00:56:55 < mitrax> jadew: what were you searching... Really?
2018-05-06T00:57:12 < jadew> nothing, I'm ordering my bookmarks and found this amongs them: http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/
2018-05-06T00:57:25 < jadew> randomly click on things and found that
2018-05-06T00:57:38 < mitrax> yeah right
2018-05-06T00:58:20 < jadew> what's the alternative explanation? I was looking for an instructable on how to flatten my penis?
2018-05-06T00:59:07 < mitrax> yeah
2018-05-06T01:00:15 < mitrax> though you could call that one dimension penis enlargment, maybe that was the point of the gig
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2018-05-06T01:01:30 < jadew> mitrax, I think some people just hate themselves
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2018-05-06T01:02:39 < Steffanx> I should put the "not a link dump" back. Your doing jadew
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2018-05-06T01:03:22 < jadew> Steffanx, I actually only linked the link to a link dump
2018-05-06T01:03:38 < Steffanx> Lies
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2018-05-06T01:06:05 < jadew> ffs... my seeed studio order is still in payment pending state
2018-05-06T01:06:18 < jadew> I paid it maybe 8 hours ago
2018-05-06T01:06:46 < jadew> shitpal refused to process the payment for some reason and doing it directly by card resulted in this stupid delay
2018-05-06T01:07:53 < jadew> the money left my account so I don't understand wth they have have to confirm
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2018-05-06T01:21:13 < mitrax> looks like someone's been ripped off
2018-05-06T01:22:46 < jadew> I think they just have a stupid system
2018-05-06T01:22:58 < jadew> problem is that they don't start work on my order until the payment is cleared
2018-05-06T01:28:45 < mitrax> bed time, long drive tomorrow... be wise and don't do anything i wouldn't do!
2018-05-06T01:34:33 < jadew> night
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2018-05-06T02:16:57 < bitmask> hmm, I think the lines are too thick
2018-05-06T02:16:58 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/Mv7vNst.png
2018-05-06T02:18:23 < stvn> small scale replica of josef fritzl's house?
2018-05-06T02:19:07 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/jfYz2SS.png fan grill
2018-05-06T02:21:35 < stvn> how many vacuum tubes?
2018-05-06T02:22:27 < stvn> looks like an old radio
2018-05-06T02:23:39 < bitmask> well its supposed to look like a castle so maybe I'm on the right track :)
2018-05-06T02:24:54 < stvn> so what does this contraption do?
2018-05-06T02:25:12 < bitmask> its the main component case for a two arm pen plotter
2018-05-06T02:25:25 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/ifAvSnR
2018-05-06T02:26:27 < stvn> cool
2018-05-06T02:26:45 < stvn> now all you have to do is kickstart it
2018-05-06T02:26:59 < bitmask> haha no one would pay for this thing, I'm having fun with it though
2018-05-06T02:27:41 < stvn> put the goal amount as $20k
2018-05-06T02:27:53 < stvn> that should blowout to at least $1,000,000
2018-05-06T04:03:09 < jadew> I'm out of movies and TV shows to watch
2018-05-06T04:09:22 < jadew> anyone watching netflix through a VPN?
2018-05-06T04:20:23 < dongs> ah so it was you wasting my bandwidth in china while I was trying to do actual wor
2018-05-06T04:20:26 < dongs> work
2018-05-06T04:20:32 < dongs> fucking faggot
2018-05-06T04:24:57 < jadew> like I'd use a chinese VPN
2018-05-06T04:25:11 < jadew> problem is I can't get the proxy settings to stick on chrome
2018-05-06T04:25:46 < dongs> the fuck are you even talking about
2018-05-06T04:26:07 < jadew> I bought a VPN and it comes with a socks5 proxy
2018-05-06T04:26:17 < jadew> I want to set that up in chrome so I can watch netflix
2018-05-06T04:26:21 < jadew> the US version
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2018-05-06T04:34:07 < jadew> turns out chrome doesn't do socks5
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2018-05-06T04:34:38 < jadew> they didn't implement the authentication protocol in socks5 and tehy don't plan to, since it's in clear so why bother
2018-05-06T04:34:43 < jadew> (pretty much their answer)
2018-05-06T04:34:51 < jadew> to a bug open since 2013
2018-05-06T04:36:10 < dongs> i wonce wrote a socks5 server..
2018-05-06T04:36:12 < dongs> .. in 1996
2018-05-06T04:36:32 < jadew> I wrote one too, also a long time ago
2018-05-06T04:36:41 < jadew> and it had authentication
2018-05-06T04:37:48 < jadew> I remember it clearly because I surprised myself in how fast I wrote it
2018-05-06T04:38:04 < jadew> I thought it would take a day or more and it only took two hours
2018-05-06T04:38:15 < jadew> I guess chrome devs don't have that
2018-05-06T04:39:55 < jadew> how to start the profile manager in FF: Step 1: Click on the <menu icon>, then |Exit|.
2018-05-06T04:40:44 < jadew> they should start with: "Step 1: Copy and paste all the instructions in a notepad document. Step 2: exit."
2018-05-06T04:50:03 < jadew> great... the FF issue has been opened 17 years ago
2018-05-06T04:54:09 < jadew> yep, FF doesn't support it either, even tho people have been crying for it for 17 years
2018-05-06T04:54:27 < jadew> someone even made a patch that worked, but they didn't accept it
2018-05-06T04:54:40 < jadew> someone else made a patch with the config settings in about:config, but they commented the settings out
2018-05-06T04:54:47 < jadew> it's like they don't want it to work
2018-05-06T04:56:02 < jadew> man... I didn't think this would be an issue
2018-05-06T04:56:04 < jadew> this is so stupid
2018-05-06T04:57:15 < jadew> I have an idea
2018-05-06T04:57:31 < jadew> I'll make a socks server that connects with user and pass to the real socks server
2018-05-06T04:57:40 < jadew> brilliant!
2018-05-06T05:01:50 < jadew> looks like I only made a socks server
2018-05-06T05:20:15 < jadew> shit... the VPN I bought is from fucking netherlands
2018-05-06T05:20:34 < jadew> they have the same crap we do on netflix
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2018-05-06T05:23:04 < bitmask> who gets a vpn with one country?
2018-05-06T05:23:31 < bitmask> the one I used had like 10 different countries with tons of servers in each
2018-05-06T05:23:37 < jadew> really?
2018-05-06T05:23:40 < jadew> how much was it?
2018-05-06T05:23:49 < jadew> I paid 7 for this one
2018-05-06T05:23:55 < bitmask> for how long?
2018-05-06T05:24:00 < jadew> one month
2018-05-06T05:24:37 < bitmask> usd or euro
2018-05-06T05:24:42 < jadew> usd
2018-05-06T05:25:00 < bitmask> one month is 8.38, 6 months is 36
2018-05-06T05:25:01 < bitmask> airvpn
2018-05-06T05:25:17 < jadew> thanks
2018-05-06T05:27:38 < jadew> I still have access to my previous employer's server farm
2018-05-06T05:27:45 < jadew> could set one up there :P
2018-05-06T05:30:32 < jadew> screw this, I'm getting back to work
2018-05-06T05:30:44 < jadew> I'll remember airvpn for tomorrow
2018-05-06T05:32:23 < jadew> bitmask, you watch netflix with it?
2018-05-06T05:33:09 < bitmask> oh no, I havent, maybe you should get a trial and see if it works
2018-05-06T05:33:24 < jadew> cool, thanks
2018-05-06T05:33:32 < bitmask> np
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2018-05-06T06:08:14 < ReadErr> dongs: 
2018-05-06T06:08:15 < ReadErr> link me
2018-05-06T06:08:17 < ReadErr> ill play it
2018-05-06T06:08:25 < dongs> can i dcc it on efnet
2018-05-06T06:08:31 < ReadErr> no lol
2018-05-06T06:08:34 < dongs> lol
2018-05-06T06:08:40 < ReadErr> do cat <file> | nc termbin.com 9999
2018-05-06T06:08:48 < ReadErr> then it spits out url
2018-05-06T06:08:54 < ReadErr> and i can pump
2018-05-06T06:08:55 < stvn> play an ascii ya dog
2018-05-06T06:10:08 < dongs> trying
2018-05-06T06:10:22 < dongs> http://termbin.com/3c82
2018-05-06T06:10:30 < dongs> scroll that shti. no idea waht it is
2018-05-06T06:12:08 < stvn> looks like some kind of treasure map
2018-05-06T06:12:38 < stvn> did i tell you the windows 10 usb stick is a piece of fucking shit
2018-05-06T06:13:56 < dongs> wat
2018-05-06T06:14:18 < stvn> my new coffee lake system wasn't having a bar of it
2018-05-06T06:14:24 < stvn> just ended up crashing 
2018-05-06T06:14:48 < stvn> so i downloaded and burned the latest iso from msoft
2018-05-06T06:15:10 < ReadErr> windows 10 1809 
2018-05-06T06:15:12 < ReadErr> is pretty different 
2018-05-06T06:15:19 < ReadErr> im glad they changed the update trash
2018-05-06T06:15:38 < stvn> yeah all i know is my australian internet didn't have a fucking meltdown getting it 'up to date' too
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2018-05-06T06:20:07 < stvn> also yeah, cube is cool, saves a lot of fucking around and thrashing the bible of your stm32
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2018-05-06T07:02:20 < dongs> so i have hourly datapoints that i wanna store for a year, but I don't need too much resolution for the year, certainly not hourly
2018-05-06T07:02:36 < dongs> thinking to do something like mrtg where it stores hourly/daily/monthly/yearly with reduced resolution
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2018-05-06T07:32:44 < dongs> any protips for managing such data
2018-05-06T07:32:57 < dongs> or do i just bruteforce it in obvious way
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2018-05-06T07:43:20 < dongs> hm i wonder if its worth trying to compress the data
2018-05-06T07:48:34 < jadew> you need different resolution for each time frame?
2018-05-06T07:48:35 < psprint> some MCUs have support for AES, maybe they also support zlib compression?
2018-05-06T07:49:26 < jadew> dongs?
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2018-05-06T07:54:00 < jadew> dongs, if you only need a single resolution, you just use one accumulator for the point
2018-05-06T07:54:05 < jadew> for example, for daily resolution
2018-05-06T07:54:22 < jadew> when a new day starts, you start a new data point and add to that one until tomorrow
2018-05-06T07:55:00 < jadew> if you need both this + hourly for the past X days, you do that + record it hourly
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2018-05-06T08:11:57 < dongs> lemme see if i understand how that works
2018-05-06T08:12:32 < dongs> psprint: oh, i have lightweight lzss-ish compression thats great for redundant data that i'm already using to store bitmaps and shit.
2018-05-06T08:12:56 < dongs> > you need different resolution for each time frame?
2018-05-06T08:13:08 < dongs> i don't "need" but ialso don't wanna store to flash data that isn't changing
2018-05-06T08:13:45 < dongs> i plan to do some rotating pages with a header + index and dump latest data there and then on boot scan each page for header, find highest index# and read that in as 'current' data
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2018-05-06T08:57:38 < Streaker> Will a regulator that can supply max 100mA be ok to power a STM32F103 ?
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2018-05-06T09:28:51 < dongs> definitely?
2018-05-06T09:29:19 < dongs> i mean its worst case consumption is osmething liek 20mA with everythign on
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2018-05-06T10:08:17 < Streaker> I thought maybe there are transients. Moments when it takes way more that 20mA but just for a few milliseconds.
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2018-05-06T10:42:25 < jpa-> Streake_: transients that are milliseconds long should be specified; there will be transients at the order of the clock frequency (so a few nanoseconds), but you should have capacitors that handle those
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2018-05-06T10:51:49 < psprint> that's something interesting – the LL library is quite new, isn't it? And in CubeMX, in Project Settings, one can choose between HAL and LL for most peripherals
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2018-05-06T11:54:43 < con3> dongs: would thingspeak maybe help? havent used it but its free as far as I know : https://thingspeak.com/
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2018-05-06T12:25:18 < dongs> con3: wat am i even looking at
2018-05-06T12:25:48 < dongs> psprint: correct, but not for some peripherals.
2018-05-06T12:25:55 < dongs> i.e. TSC only exists as HAL for some fucked up reason
2018-05-06T12:31:13 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/wAvAJX7.gifv found englishman 
2018-05-06T12:31:50 < stvn> llol
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2018-05-06T13:04:51 < Jak_o_Shadows> FOr some weird reason, GPIOA-1, (ADC1 CH1), reads consistently low. Looking at it on a volt-meter, it is noticeably low as well.
2018-05-06T13:05:00 < Jak_o_Shadows> could I have a bad connection along the wires?
2018-05-06T13:05:09 < dongs> what 'wires'
2018-05-06T13:05:52 < Jak_o_Shadows> The bad ones I crimped myself.
2018-05-06T13:06:03 < Jak_o_Shadows> Look, i sorta started typing, then realised a potential problem
2018-05-06T13:08:15 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hmm, an extra 60 ohms (whilst gosh damn terrible for this, oh my god), shouldn't quite be significant I think?
2018-05-06T13:11:42 < Jak_o_Shadows> Nah, aint hte wires. 
2018-05-06T13:11:47 < Jak_o_Shadows> Gonna double check the board
2018-05-06T13:20:19 < Jak_o_Shadows> Nup, I MUST be setting something.
2018-05-06T13:24:56 < stvn> you're just a bunch of wires mate
2018-05-06T13:25:03 < stvn> thats what you are!
2018-05-06T13:25:36 < Jak_o_Shadows> OH MY GOD
2018-05-06T13:26:07 < Jak_o_Shadows> FFS
2018-05-06T13:26:15 < Jak_o_Shadows> 	// Temporary output pin for testing
2018-05-06T13:26:15 < Jak_o_Shadows> 	rcc_periph_clock_enable(RCC_GPIOA);
2018-05-06T13:26:15 < Jak_o_Shadows> 	gpio_set_mode(GPIOA, GPIO_MODE_OUTPUT_2_MHZ, GPIO_CNF_OUTPUT_PUSHPULL, GPIO1);
2018-05-06T13:26:35 < dongs> is this libopencm3e
2018-05-06T13:27:09 < Jak_o_Shadows> worse: unicore-mx
2018-05-06T13:27:16 < dongs> the fuck what
2018-05-06T13:27:26 < Jak_o_Shadows> some guys fork of loc3
2018-05-06T13:27:30 < dongs> lol
2018-05-06T13:27:39 < dongs> so basically shit on top of shit
2018-05-06T13:27:43 < stvn>  The UniCore-MX project aims to create an open-source firmware library for various ARM Cortex-M microcontrollers.
2018-05-06T13:27:48 < stvn> precisely.
2018-05-06T13:27:51 < dongs> doesn't everyone?
2018-05-06T13:28:05 < Jak_o_Shadows> I'm only using it for the USB HID, so application code is most of the work
2018-05-06T13:28:14 < Jak_o_Shadows> and TBH, i am just as happy treating USB as a magic black box
2018-05-06T13:32:32 < Steffanx> i bet 99% of the developers using usb do that
2018-05-06T13:33:16 < Jak_o_Shadows> I mean, do you blame them?
2018-05-06T13:33:42 < Steffanx> Nein
2018-05-06T13:33:55 < stvn> developers developers 
2018-05-06T13:35:05 < stvn> somebody told me to install haiku os
2018-05-06T13:37:17 < Steffanx> Are you hooked?
2018-05-06T13:43:19 < stvn> n
2018-05-06T13:44:06 < stvn> i think templeOS is better
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2018-05-06T14:15:45 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzo1_maqV_w music times: London Grammar - Hey Now [Arty remix]
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2018-05-06T14:26:58 < stvn> why don't you say hi to steffan kakimir 
2018-05-06T14:27:25 < stvn> he is very grumpy and needs some company
2018-05-06T14:27:43 < kakimir> cuz imma dik
2018-05-06T14:27:51 < Steffanx> i no longer comment on his terrible music taste :P
2018-05-06T14:27:58 < stvn> [:
2018-05-06T14:38:04 < Steffanx> hi kakimir, welcome
2018-05-06T14:38:31 < kakimir> hello Steffanx 
2018-05-06T14:39:58 < kakimir> time to do shit
2018-05-06T14:42:22 < stvn> tractor
2018-05-06T14:43:52 < Steffanx> John Deere?
2018-05-06T14:44:35 < con3> fuk. stlink just started giving an overcurrent
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2018-05-06T15:13:38 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BFtvw2XlyA
2018-05-06T15:13:56 < Thorn> I nearly fried my j-link yesterday :/
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2018-05-06T15:37:23 < kakimir> noobs
2018-05-06T15:43:06 < Steffanx> Does you programmer come with SMA connectors kakimir?
2018-05-06T15:43:20 < kakimir> no
2018-05-06T15:43:26 < Steffanx> why not
2018-05-06T15:44:17 < kakimir> cortex connector is just fine
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2018-05-06T15:51:59 < kakimir> after all sma is not ideal for much of parallel signals
2018-05-06T15:57:25 < dongs> no way
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2018-05-06T16:22:55 < Hamilton> Is there a "flash only" option in IAR?
2018-05-06T16:23:06 < Hamilton> Not flash & debug
2018-05-06T16:23:42 < dongs> who the hell uses IAR
2018-05-06T16:23:43 < Hamilton> IAR calls the process "download" actually
2018-05-06T16:24:07 < Hamilton> dongs, what do you use?
2018-05-06T16:25:00 < dongs> besides keil you mean?
2018-05-06T16:25:10 < dongs> waht debug probe are you using?
2018-05-06T16:25:18 < Hamilton> dongs, on chip ICDI
2018-05-06T16:25:20 < Hamilton> TI's
2018-05-06T16:25:28 < dongs> oh so this is not even stm?
2018-05-06T16:25:50 < dongs> no idea then, but i would expect an expensive software package to have download to flash option and not downloaD+run
2018-05-06T16:26:25 < Hamilton> dongs, on toolchain department, I wonder do people actually use "make gcc vim" professionally?
2018-05-06T16:26:39 < dongs> apparently they do, but I'd hate to have thier profession
2018-05-06T16:26:42 < Hamilton> Like everyone I meet, just hates Keil, IAR or the like
2018-05-06T16:27:12 < dongs> yeah beacuse editing retarded makefiles and watching shit scroll by in console is so much better for debugging
2018-05-06T16:27:29 < Hamilton> dongs, lol
2018-05-06T16:28:05 < Hamilton> dongs, So you use Keil and you think having an IDE is way better than console based GDB
2018-05-06T16:28:38 < dongs> um, yes?
2018-05-06T16:28:44 < dongs> how is that even a question
2018-05-06T16:29:01 < dongs> proper code editor, source code debugging, watch/analyze windows/graphs etc
2018-05-06T16:29:35 < antto> i use Code::Blocks
2018-05-06T16:29:43 < englishman> what, there is zero comparison
2018-05-06T16:29:43 < Hamilton> dongs, I'm n00b bro. But even I've found out Keil's editor is so sub-par...It doesn't even have a shortcut to comment out stuff
2018-05-06T16:29:50 < antto> makefiles are probably good, if you're a rocket scientist
2018-05-06T16:29:53 < dongs> Hamilton: . ?
2018-05-06T16:29:58 < dongs> #if 0 / #endif ?
2018-05-06T16:30:10 < dongs> its a code editor, not a GUI for millenial faggots
2018-05-06T16:30:15 < Hamilton> No I mean CTRL + / like in Eclipse
2018-05-06T16:30:18 < dongs> get the fuck out.
2018-05-06T16:30:27 < Hamilton> lol why?
2018-05-06T16:30:28 < dongs> there's so many things wrong with "commenting out" code this way
2018-05-06T16:30:37 < dongs> i dont even know where to start
2018-05-06T16:30:56 < Hamilton> dongs, I know what you mean, but this just proves the editor is not like modern editors
2018-05-06T16:31:14 < dongs> there's over 9000 things in eclipse that i don't give a fuck about
2018-05-06T16:31:21 < dongs> i have no problems wiht keil editor whatsoever.
2018-05-06T16:31:32 < englishman> you mean like comment/uncomment selection
2018-05-06T16:31:43 < Hamilton> englishman, yes
2018-05-06T16:31:45 < englishman> its on the toolbar and in menu
2018-05-06T16:31:53 < englishman> and you can add whatever shortcut you want to it
2018-05-06T16:32:09 < englishman> but yeah you can ifdef it out which is much more readable, faster and self-explanatory
2018-05-06T16:32:18 < Steffanx> lol there we go again -_-
2018-05-06T16:32:23 < englishman> rather than having huge blocks of useless cod
2018-05-06T16:32:24 < englishman> e
2018-05-06T16:32:34 < Hamilton> Steffanx, How? you had this discussion before?
2018-05-06T16:32:42 < englishman> keil also facilitates writing readable, reusable code
2018-05-06T16:32:43 < Steffanx> But it's the keil effect ofcourse. Keil users have more time, so they have time to endlessly discuss how great keil is.
2018-05-06T16:32:48 < englishman> with methods like this
2018-05-06T16:32:56 < englishman> steffy gets it
2018-05-06T16:33:15 < Steffanx> Hamilton, yes. So often that it's actually getting boring. ;)
2018-05-06T16:33:18 < englishman> instead of fighting against dumb text-based tools, put those tools to work
2018-05-06T16:33:33 < Hamilton> dongs, Have you used Ctrl + click on a function in eclipse. It pops up that function
2018-05-06T16:33:40 < englishman> do you think mechanics stay in business by constantly fixing their tools
2018-05-06T16:33:41 < antto> luckily for me, it seems like i won't be going to arm cortex at the job
2018-05-06T16:33:44 < englishman> or by fixing cars
2018-05-06T16:33:44 < antto> yey \o/
2018-05-06T16:33:51 < dongs> Hamilton: yeah, ir right click->goto defintiion in keil
2018-05-06T16:34:05 < dongs> i don't want my code editor to be a fucking web browser with hyperlnks
2018-05-06T16:34:09 < dongs> more usleess bloat
2018-05-06T16:34:18 < Hamilton> dongs, Even a n00b like me just believes for a fact that Eclipse's editor is >> keil + IAR
2018-05-06T16:34:26 < Steffanx> did you know englishman: http://www2.keil.com/mdk5/ds-mdk/ ?
2018-05-06T16:34:28 < dongs> eclispe editor is written in java
2018-05-06T16:34:36 < dongs> so that disqualifies it from ever being considered as anything "good"
2018-05-06T16:35:18 < Steffanx> I would laugh so hard when they actually decided to abandon uvision.
2018-05-06T16:35:44 < englishman> stefs, cool
2018-05-06T16:36:50 < antto> but i still am personally interested in using arm cortex for realtime audio/dsp, as part of my hobby
2018-05-06T16:37:01 < antto> tho very discouraged by my experience so far
2018-05-06T16:37:11 < Steffanx> you're doing it wrong.
2018-05-06T16:37:27 < Hamilton> Steffanx, So you use minimal vim gcc makefile?
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2018-05-06T16:37:47 < Steffanx> lolno
2018-05-06T16:37:51 < englishman> stefs is pro
2018-05-06T16:38:08 < englishman> he is lead software developer at his company
2018-05-06T16:38:13 < Steffanx> Totally.
2018-05-06T16:38:14 < englishman> he is so good, they fired everyone else
2018-05-06T16:38:23 < dongs> antto: bette switch to AVR for better experience
2018-05-06T16:38:31 < Steffanx> lol antto is already using AVR
2018-05-06T16:38:33 < Steffanx> xmega.
2018-05-06T16:38:38 < dongs> he's doomed.
2018-05-06T16:38:42 < antto> dongs you mean ATSAM shizzle?
2018-05-06T16:38:43 < dongs> who the fuck actually uses xmega
2018-05-06T16:38:51  * antto does >:(
2018-05-06T16:38:52 < dongs> no, i mean fucking ATMega168PA
2018-05-06T16:39:12 < antto> that's too weak for the kind of audio dsp i have in mind
2018-05-06T16:39:24 < Steffanx> Get some stm32H7
2018-05-06T16:39:31 < antto> i need le floating point
2018-05-06T16:39:45 < antto> hopefully not double precision
2018-05-06T16:40:16 < antto> i was looking more into STM32F4
2018-05-06T16:40:37 < antto> those seem to have FPU and "dsp instructions"
2018-05-06T16:40:48 < Steffanx> So do F3 and F7.
2018-05-06T16:40:52 < antto> right
2018-05-06T16:40:53 < Steffanx> and whatever 7 they have
2018-05-06T16:41:58 < dongs> antto: what is exactly preventing you from having a great experience anyway
2018-05-06T16:42:04 < dongs> im curious
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2018-05-06T16:42:30 < Steffanx> Sadly they wont be keil. or will you give him a license for free?
2018-05-06T16:42:46 < dongs> no, im just wondering what the problems are
2018-05-06T16:43:14 < antto> there's too much involved in order to glue together an arm cortex chip with an audio codec and get the code running
2018-05-06T16:43:20 < dongs> what, no.
2018-05-06T16:43:21 < antto> it's way over my head
2018-05-06T16:43:42 < dongs> F4discovery has a codec on the board
2018-05-06T16:43:44 < dongs> some cirruslogic shite
2018-05-06T16:43:49 < dongs> and comes with samples using it
2018-05-06T16:44:36 < dongs> so if you think this is a problem, what would be your proposed solution?
2018-05-06T16:44:44 < dongs> what not cortex-m thing is "simpler" to connect a codec to?
2018-05-06T16:45:05 < antto> i have no solution
2018-05-06T16:45:23 < antto> i think you need to understand what you're dealing with
2018-05-06T16:45:39 < antto> which means.. reading tons of sh*t and learning your way thru
2018-05-06T16:45:55 < antto> that also takes time
2018-05-06T16:46:03 < antto> and certain amount of brain cells
2018-05-06T16:46:18 < englishman> so your solution is to do nothing
2018-05-06T16:46:26 < dongs> opensores solution
2018-05-06T16:47:52 < antto> englishman i looked into stm32f and it's very hard
2018-05-06T16:48:01 < dongs> you already said its hard
2018-05-06T16:48:05 < dongs> what in your opinion is EASTY
2018-05-06T16:48:08 < dongs> what in your opinion is EASY
2018-05-06T16:48:20 < antto> it's probably easier if you "go with the flow" and use the stuff like cubemx and weird IDEs
2018-05-06T16:48:57 < dongs> how the fuck is that even related
2018-05-06T16:49:04 < dongs> again, what is your proposed SOLUTION
2018-05-06T16:49:09 < antto> altho, i'd still have to read and understand a ton of stuff coz i won't be just blinking a LED
2018-05-06T16:49:30 < antto> dongs i think i don't understand your question
2018-05-06T16:49:55 < dongs> antto: you're saying, you have a problem to solve: audio DSP wiht STM32. right now you're doing nothing about it because it's "hard"
2018-05-06T16:50:10 < dongs> I've proposed using F4-discovery as it has a codec on it with line in/out
2018-05-06T16:50:26 < dongs> that ought to be more than enough for doing some basic testing/proof of concept shit
2018-05-06T16:50:45 < antto> i said i wish i *could* do that, as part of my hobby
2018-05-06T16:51:04 < dongs> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/synth/stm32f4_codec/index.html or you could beg emeb to sell you one of these
2018-05-06T16:51:29 < Steffanx> Or just send the gerbers to a fab
2018-05-06T16:51:30 < dongs> or http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/synth/stm32f4_codec_v2/index.html tho it seems kinda overkill
2018-05-06T16:52:16 < antto> i know stuff like this exists
2018-05-06T16:53:40 < Thorn> there is a github repo full of those modular crap things developed by one of the vendors over the years. earlier projects use avr, later ones, stm32
2018-05-06T16:54:00 < dongs> antto: so whats stopping you from innnovating
2018-05-06T16:54:04 < dongs> we're back to the same question
2018-05-06T16:54:07 < Thorn> there are schematics/pcbs, firmware, pc software, everything
2018-05-06T16:54:10 < dongs> shit is "hard" but you're doing nothing to make it simpler
2018-05-06T16:54:11 < antto> i'm not gonna be innovating
2018-05-06T16:54:13 < antto> ;P~
2018-05-06T16:54:24 < dongs> ok well, then you're not goinna be DSP'ing
2018-05-06T16:54:27 < dongs> PRETTY FUCKIN SIMPLE
2018-05-06T16:54:38 < antto> yes
2018-05-06T16:54:44 < dongs> so dont bitch about it
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2018-05-06T16:55:21 < Steffanx> How is your day so far antto?
2018-05-06T16:55:40 < antto> i successifully built avrgcc 7.3.0 ;P~
2018-05-06T16:56:05  * antto hides
2018-05-06T16:56:53 < dongs> enjoy watching shit scroll by
2018-05-06T16:57:42 < antto> where? ;P~
2018-05-06T16:57:58 < dongs> i donno onyour lunix console or soemthin
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2018-05-06T16:58:44 < antto> that's already over, it took 24 minutes (not counting the unsuccessiful builds from yesterday)
2018-05-06T16:58:53 < antto> no more scrolling
2018-05-06T16:58:54 < dongs> emeb_mac: antto wants to DSP with STM32 and thinks its hard
2018-05-06T16:59:10 < emeb_mac> dongs: antto is wrong
2018-05-06T16:59:15 < dongs> thats what i told him
2018-05-06T16:59:21 < dongs> but he's refusing to beleive me
2018-05-06T16:59:43 < antto> dongs well i don't want to be tied to keil or some other IDE which i don't like
2018-05-06T16:59:49 < antto> i also want to use C++
2018-05-06T16:59:50 < dongs> the fuck does this have to do with keil
2018-05-06T17:00:16 < emeb_mac> what's hard about it?
2018-05-06T17:00:23 < Hamilton> dongs, lunix is deliberate typo right? lunatic?
2018-05-06T17:00:36 < dongs> < antto> there's too much involved in order to glue together an arm cortex chip with an audio codec and get the code running
2018-05-06T17:00:47 < emeb_mac> lol
2018-05-06T17:01:25 < Hamilton> So Steffanx, I saw chat before I disconnected. You didn't say what IDE/toolchain you use?
2018-05-06T17:01:36 < antto> dongs put the audio aside, i could barely get a simple main() function to build into an .elf and i knew at least 3 reasons why it won't actually work, but not how to fix it
2018-05-06T17:02:20 < Thorn> antto if you have specific questions, ask them
2018-05-06T17:02:25 < emeb_mac> a) hook up I2S port or SAI port to codec I2S. b) hook I2C port to codec I2c. c) grab example codes for said ports from Cube demos. d) fill in gaps. 
2018-05-06T17:02:29 < emeb_mac> profit!!!
2018-05-06T17:02:58 < antto> so, cubemx
2018-05-06T17:03:26 < dongs> nobody is forcing you to use any of that shit
2018-05-06T17:03:28 < emeb_mac> eh - I don't use cubemx for generating source
2018-05-06T17:03:49 < Thorn> btw pam8302a gets my seal of approval
2018-05-06T17:03:49 < emeb_mac> I sometimes use it to assign pins - just to get an idea of what's possible.
2018-05-06T17:04:39 < antto> Thorn i already asked a pile of questions and went from "what dafuq is this even" to "woo, here's the .elf"
2018-05-06T17:04:40 < Thorn> you can get a pretty loud sound with only 5mA of current(!)
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2018-05-06T17:06:25 < emeb_mac> those little diodes inc. drivers are cute.
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2018-05-06T17:11:05 < bitmask> looks like I'm gonna have to add some ws2812b leds to my project :)
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2018-05-06T17:23:43 < Steffanx> no.
2018-05-06T17:23:48 < Steffanx> youve got to get it done 
2018-05-06T17:26:05 < Turski> Have I understood correctly, that it's not possible to get I2C hardware to ignore NACK? (STM32L452)
2018-05-06T17:27:01 < Turski> I have cheap chinese OLED display which doesn't have SDA_out wired to the connector, so I should just keep feeding it without it giving ACK
2018-05-06T17:28:19 < Turski> It's bit of ruining my idea to handle display feeding with DMA and I2C hardware
2018-05-06T17:28:20 < Thorn> what is SDA_out
2018-05-06T17:28:36 < Thorn> SDA is supposed to be bidirectional
2018-05-06T17:28:45 < Thorn> maybe you can drive it with SPI?
2018-05-06T17:28:56 < Turski> Thorn: some devices have separate pins for SDA_in and SDA_out, and those are supposed to be connected externally
2018-05-06T17:29:10 < Turski> Thorn: Interface selection lines are also not connected
2018-05-06T17:29:18 < Turski> so SPI is out of question
2018-05-06T17:29:48 < Thorn> maybe you can drive it with SPI anywa?
2018-05-06T17:29:52 < Thorn> y
2018-05-06T17:29:52 < Turski> nope
2018-05-06T17:30:31 < Turski> I2C is the only option
2018-05-06T17:31:23 < Turski> getting STM32 to ignore NACK would save my day, but at least I can't find any way to do that
2018-05-06T17:31:49 < Turski> seems like having to so software I2C
2018-05-06T17:31:59 < dongs> just buttbang that shit
2018-05-06T17:32:06 < dongs> i bet chink oled came with some 8051 sample code for exactly that
2018-05-06T17:32:09 < Turski> I hate wasting CPU time for that
2018-05-06T17:32:13 < dongs> yeah well, who cares
2018-05-06T17:32:36 < Turski> Would have other use for CPU time, and battery power
2018-05-06T17:33:21 < Thorn> I mean maybe you can simulate the i2C protocol using SPI
2018-05-06T17:33:26 < emeb_mac> maybe use a better display?
2018-05-06T17:33:33 < Thorn> if it's not real I2C anyway
2018-05-06T17:33:42 < Turski> Thorn: Umm, how would that happen?
2018-05-06T17:33:59 < Turski> emeb_mac: there's no options for the form factor I need
2018-05-06T17:34:19 < Turski> and I have my PCB's already
2018-05-06T17:34:37 < dongs> yeah i have some fucking chink led driver for the led rings TM1640
2018-05-06T17:34:41 < dongs> it also uses "sorta I2C"
2018-05-06T17:34:44 < Thorn> Turski: make it output appropriate waveforms
2018-05-06T17:34:45 < emeb_mac> gah
2018-05-06T17:34:47 < dongs> instead of trying to figure out how to actualyl drive it with i2c i said fuckit
2018-05-06T17:34:51 < dongs> and just used software way
2018-05-06T17:36:27 < emeb_mac> simulating w/ SPI might work, but getting the START timing right might require oversampling the data
2018-05-06T17:36:29 < Thorn> btw EastRising displays aren't available on aliexpress anymore
2018-05-06T17:36:50 < Thorn> last time I looked at them they had an official aliexpress store
2018-05-06T17:38:41 < Turski> Thorn: damn, I thought that actually might work, but it was USART that I2C shares the pins with
2018-05-06T17:38:59 < Thorn> usart can do SPI
2018-05-06T17:38:59 < Turski> So can't do since I already have my custom PCB's
2018-05-06T17:39:53 < emeb_mac> did a product last year that used some of those cheapo 320x240 ILI93xx displays. Now we're seeing about 1% failure rate in the field.
2018-05-06T17:39:53 < emeb_mac> things will run find for a few hundred hours then the display goes white and nothing will fix.
2018-05-06T17:39:53 < dongs> who caresa bout aliesxpress or eastrising display
2018-05-06T17:39:53 < dongs> its all about gooddisplay these days
2018-05-06T17:40:06 < Thorn> it has a clock pin and all
2018-05-06T17:40:30 < dongs> emeb_mac: !
2018-05-06T17:40:40 < dongs> its your startup/init timing
2018-05-06T17:40:51 < dongs> had same shit on 9314
2018-05-06T17:40:52 < dongs> SPI
2018-05-06T17:40:57 < dongs> or wahever 93..something
2018-05-06T17:41:07 < dongs> power on timing vs beginning of commands/resetr stuff
2018-05-06T17:41:16 < emeb_mac> dongs: interesting
2018-05-06T17:41:31 < emeb_mac> marginal - only some units affected?
2018-05-06T17:41:36 < dongs> yes
2018-05-06T17:41:48 < emeb_mac> so just delay time?
2018-05-06T17:42:21 < dongs> 9341 is the shit i used
2018-05-06T17:42:52 < dongs> youre using it in spi mdoe?
2018-05-06T17:44:49 < emeb_mac> yes
2018-05-06T17:45:18 < dongs> there's initia lreset timing where you fuck around wiht setting mdoe, then theres delay after reset, and then there's delay before you can write init stuff to it
2018-05-06T17:45:34 < dongs> and there's delay after exit sleep and befoer display on
2018-05-06T17:45:38 < emeb_mac> so between mode set and rest of cmds
2018-05-06T17:46:01 < dongs> i ahve 200ms there on mine, then i have 120 after sleep out before dispaly on and 120 after dispalyo n
2018-05-06T17:46:01 < emeb_mac> ok - will look at that.
2018-05-06T17:46:11 < dongs> original said something like 50ms
2018-05-06T17:46:15 < dongs> after set mode
2018-05-06T17:46:15 < emeb_mac> ah
2018-05-06T17:46:20 < dongs> which didnt work worth a fuck / was random
2018-05-06T17:46:21 < emeb_mac> ok - thx for tip
2018-05-06T17:46:26 < dongs> try out and see
2018-05-06T17:49:26 < emeb_mac> dongs: thx - customer has some bad units. will give it a shot
2018-05-06T17:51:14 < dongs> cool. 
2018-05-06T17:51:22 < dongs> our problem with ILI shit is mostly garbage supplier
2018-05-06T17:51:30 < dongs> a few end up with a single vertical line with stuck color
2018-05-06T17:51:37 < dongs> bad soldering on the TFT>chip or wahteve shti
2018-05-06T17:51:59 < dongs> but never the white stuff, thats been fixed with timing shit
2018-05-06T17:54:48 < emeb_mac> dongs: ok - looked at my codes - has 50ms delay between exit sleep & display on, then  10ms after display on 
2018-05-06T17:54:55 < emeb_mac> so will enlarge that delay
2018-05-06T17:55:17 < dongs> yeah, and 200ms after mode set?
2018-05-06T17:55:27 < dongs> iirc i also fucked with that number.
2018-05-06T17:56:06 < Thorn> what is going on in that display that makes it require such huge delays
2018-05-06T17:56:11 < Thorn> 10000µF caps charging?
2018-05-06T17:56:15 < emeb_mac> lol - I don't even know which command is mode set
2018-05-06T17:58:15 < dongs> its when y ou fuck wiht res/cs to set spi mode
2018-05-06T17:58:20 < dongs> before sendign any commands
2018-05-06T17:59:33 < emeb_mac> dongs: interesting - my code (ganked from somewhere - not fully original) only does a reset. no messing w cs
2018-05-06T18:00:17 < dongs> whats the finaly delay after reset goes high?
2018-05-06T18:00:34 < emeb_mac> 10ms 
2018-05-06T18:00:51 < dongs> bump that to 200
2018-05-06T18:00:56 < emeb_mac> kk
2018-05-06T18:01:00 < dongs> before sending commands.
2018-05-06T18:01:04 < emeb_mac> easy
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2018-05-06T18:28:00 < Laurenceb__> reeeeee
2018-05-06T18:28:14 < Laurenceb__>   s/muslim mayor/ukip mayor
2018-05-06T18:28:22 < Laurenceb__> suddenly wiggers everywhere
2018-05-06T18:28:31 < Laurenceb__> bad idea, why did I vote for this
2018-05-06T18:29:23 < Laurenceb__> >walk round city center >12 hookers approach me >15 dealers try to sell me shit
2018-05-06T18:30:29 < Laurenceb__> sharia law when
2018-05-06T18:31:55 < emeb_mac> freedom
2018-05-06T18:32:48 < Laurenceb__>  > ppl with ghetto blasters playing Kanye West
2018-05-06T18:35:12 < emeb_mac> Kanye is on board to MAGA!
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2018-05-06T19:00:24 < vampi-the-frog> MAGA!
2018-05-06T19:02:07 < Laurenceb__> MAGA 4 isreal 
2018-05-06T19:03:48 < vampi-the-frog> I wish Kanye was slightly more articulate
2018-05-06T19:04:54 < vampi-the-frog> are you from london Laurenceb__ 
2018-05-06T19:05:13 < Laurenceb__> nope
2018-05-06T19:05:45 < vampi-the-frog> man that guy is a fucking traitor iffen ya ask me
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2018-05-06T19:08:17 < Laurenceb__> https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/ranjit-banwait-derby-city-council-1532692
2018-05-06T19:08:33 < branjb> Laurenceb__ you jewish m8?
2018-05-06T19:09:07 < Laurenceb__> no known jewish heritage...
2018-05-06T19:09:21 < Laurenceb__> tfw 1/8th Syrian tho
2018-05-06T19:09:26 < branjb> wow
2018-05-06T19:09:34 < Laurenceb__> insert Steve Jobs memes
2018-05-06T19:10:08 < Laurenceb__> this is now an official "muh heritage" thread
2018-05-06T19:11:09 < vampi-the-frog> social justice
2018-05-06T19:12:49 < vampi-the-frog> what a bunch of fake shit
2018-05-06T19:16:48 < Laurenceb__> Assad ftw
2018-05-06T19:18:10 < Laurenceb__> I met him irl once, when I was about 5
2018-05-06T19:18:56 < branjb> leftypol imploding on itself
2018-05-06T19:19:24 < vampi-the-frog> the president of syria?
2018-05-06T19:19:47 < Laurenceb__> yes, but he wasn't president then
2018-05-06T19:21:56 < vampi-the-frog> are you Laurence of Arabia?
2018-05-06T19:22:11 < branjb> Laurence of Somalia
2018-05-06T19:22:19 < Laurenceb__> das racist
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2018-05-06T19:42:31 < Turski> And boom, we have a working bit-bang-I2C... I hate I2C
2018-05-06T19:43:50 < branjb> i already got banned from new leftypol
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2018-05-06T20:01:26 < Turski> At 100 kHz I2C handling takes about 25% of cpu time with 80 MHz cpu :/
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2018-05-06T20:03:20 < jpa-> Turski: then you are doing something wrong
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2018-05-06T20:03:26 < jpa-> are you using dma already?
2018-05-06T20:03:40 < Turski> 19:42:31 < Turski> And boom, we have a working bit-bang-I2C... I hate I2C
2018-05-06T20:04:00 < jpa-> you can use dma to bitbang it with less cpu load
2018-05-06T20:04:10 < jpa-> though even 100kHz timer interrupts shouldn't take more than 1%
2018-05-06T20:04:36 < Turski> jpa-: umm, dma doesn't really help
2018-05-06T20:05:02 < jpa-> what is actually taking the time, then?
2018-05-06T20:05:09 < Turski> and it needs 4 interrupts per bit
2018-05-06T20:05:22 < Turski> I2C is stupidly complicated
2018-05-06T20:06:03 < jpa-> i2c is dead-simple, and if this is I2C master, you only need 2 interrupts per bit even if you do it without dma
2018-05-06T20:06:32 < Turski> jpa-: handling the state machine takes most of the time
2018-05-06T20:06:53 < Turski> jpa-: data and clock can't be setup at the same time
2018-05-06T20:08:00 < branjb> englishman upgrdman ReadErr any idea how I can make these bearing blocks about 1mm more in diameter?  also not sure if there is a better channel for general mak3r shit.  https://imgur.com/a/zwqIzjL
2018-05-06T20:08:51 < jpa-> the minimum data hold time and setup-time in I2C is 250 ns or something, so you could just set data, delay a few instructions running your bloated state machine, and then set clock
2018-05-06T20:09:08 < ReadErr> branjb: like make the holes bigger?
2018-05-06T20:09:09 < Turski> jpa-: That's the simplest thing i could figure out http://paste.dy.fi/dTS
2018-05-06T20:09:21 < Turski> takes about 50 clocks per interrupt
2018-05-06T20:09:27 < ReadErr> i would prolly use a drill
2018-05-06T20:09:33 < ReadErr> drillpress
2018-05-06T20:09:38 < ReadErr> if its only 1mm
2018-05-06T20:09:43 < branjb> well you saw the place that has the hole and then a pocketed round slot around it, bearing sits in that slot.  but it's just slightly too small
2018-05-06T20:09:51 < branjb> hole size is fine, but the pocket is just barely too small
2018-05-06T20:10:04 < branjb> saw=see
2018-05-06T20:10:10 < ReadErr> yea thats a pretty shallow DOC 
2018-05-06T20:10:15 < ReadErr> if you are profiling 
2018-05-06T20:10:30 < branjb> i might just very carefully file or dremmel it
2018-05-06T20:10:51 < branjb> i didn't measure my bit but i am betting it is slightly smaller than 1/8 diam
2018-05-06T20:11:23 < ReadErr> well
2018-05-06T20:11:30 < ReadErr> if you still have it on the table?
2018-05-06T20:11:34 < ReadErr> or have you removed it 
2018-05-06T20:11:35 < branjb> nah i lost my zero
2018-05-06T20:11:42 < ReadErr> ahhh fuck 
2018-05-06T20:11:44 < ReadErr> ya RIP
2018-05-06T20:11:46 < branjb> yup
2018-05-06T20:11:53 < Laurenceb__> > I hate I2C
2018-05-06T20:11:56 < ReadErr> dont bother trying to set that back up, impossibru
2018-05-06T20:11:57 < Laurenceb__> yup
2018-05-06T20:12:01 < Laurenceb__> hatebus
2018-05-06T20:12:12 < Laurenceb__> I didnt manage to get more than 3112sps on muh avr
2018-05-06T20:12:15 < ReadErr> you can maybe take a flat endmill
2018-05-06T20:12:18 < Laurenceb__> sensor is 3200sps, grrr
2018-05-06T20:12:21 < ReadErr> thats the diameter you need
2018-05-06T20:12:38 < ReadErr> and use it on a drillpress
2018-05-06T20:12:42 < branjb> hmm
2018-05-06T20:12:55 < branjb> it should be exactly 1 in, i can prob try that
2018-05-06T20:12:58 < ReadErr> it will work itself into the center
2018-05-06T20:13:02 < ReadErr> naturally
2018-05-06T20:14:32 < ReadErr> branjb: is that a CNC routerparts one?
2018-05-06T20:15:18 < branjb> nah, it's a modification on an openbuilds build
2018-05-06T20:15:24 < Turski> jpa-: 50 cycles for that interrupt actually sound quite much... don't know
2018-05-06T20:15:25 < jpa-> Turski: seems quite complex to me, considering it is just shifting bits out
2018-05-06T20:15:46 < jpa-> hopefully your sda_up/sda_down are direct register writes and not some HAL stuff
2018-05-06T20:16:04 < Turski> jpa-: those are inline functions
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2018-05-06T20:16:13 < ReadErr> rack & pinion?
2018-05-06T20:16:40 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/nOjQHIS is the machine i am trying to modify.  it's what i have now, except the X beam is only a single C beam.  those plates let me use two C beams to stiffen it up
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2018-05-06T20:17:58 < branjb> i didn't know about the cncrouterparts ones till after I had built this one, I really like their rack/pinion design.  wish I had built that one
2018-05-06T20:18:33 < jpa-> Turski: yeah, 50 clocks does sound quite high for that irq, though you already lose 24 clocks in interrupt entry & exit
2018-05-06T20:19:04 < jpa-> Turski: but yeah, if you want it less load, do it with DMA to GPIO port; e.g. like i've done SPI here    https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/QuadPawn/blob/765ed48a3b96268606985c000a4af675c21867a7/Runtime/fpga.c
2018-05-06T20:20:33 < branjb> mine is acme driven
2018-05-06T20:20:39 < jpa-> that way you only need interrupt every N bytes
2018-05-06T20:20:45 < ReadErr> how long of screws
2018-05-06T20:21:26 < ReadErr> u should look into some hiwinn rails 
2018-05-06T20:21:37 < ReadErr> its really not too much but will add a lot
2018-05-06T20:22:56 < Turski> jpa-: how about the bit shifting?
2018-05-06T20:23:11 < branjb> they are 1000mm leadscrews
2018-05-06T20:23:39 < branjb> gives me a working area of about 800mm x 800mm.  wish I built one of the cncrouter ones so I could get 4'x8' area
2018-05-06T20:23:44 < Turski> jpa-: ah, you first fill the buffer with pre-shifted bytes?
2018-05-06T20:24:14 < jpa-> Turski: yeah, you basically fill a buffer with "set this bit" and "clear this bit" command words that you DMA into GPIO BSRR then
2018-05-06T20:24:30 < jpa-> (and for RX data you'd DMA stuff out of GPIO IDR and then process it later)
2018-05-06T20:24:31 < branjb> i might still build one eventually, but not till after i've invested in some other machines.  need a planar/joiner
2018-05-06T20:24:38 < Turski> jpa-: not bad idea, since i have shitload of RAM
2018-05-06T20:24:52 < Turski>              RAM:        3224 B       160 KB      1.97%
2018-05-06T20:25:25 < Turski> Main program is not yet there, but it will be plenty left
2018-05-06T20:27:48 < Turski> So it would take about... 3,5 kB to pre-fill a buffer for the display data (which is 384 bytes)
2018-05-06T20:28:08 < jpa-> you can also process it in blocks
2018-05-06T20:28:35 < Turski> probably better to do in one run
2018-05-06T20:44:17 < Laurenceb__> meanwhile in britbongistan https://imgoat.com/uploads/98d51a19d8/110698.png
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2018-05-06T20:45:34 < Laurenceb__> muh freedomz
2018-05-06T20:46:39 < Laurenceb__> Sargon is live !!
2018-05-06T20:49:04 < Laurenceb__> freedom level is over 9000
2018-05-06T20:50:55 < Laurenceb__> the state of youtube chat https://imgoat.com/uploads/98d51a19d8/110699.png
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2018-05-06T21:17:27 < tpw_rules> as a now native european, i have to say i have almost never been stapped by a muslim
2018-05-06T21:33:09 < Steffanx> tpw_rules is german now?
2018-05-06T21:33:23 < tpw_rules> yah
2018-05-06T21:33:36 < Steffanx> Achso
2018-05-06T21:34:30 < Steffanx> i germany you dont get stapped, in germany you tend to get run over by a truck
2018-05-06T21:35:11 < tpw_rules> that only happened once
2018-05-06T21:35:24 < tpw_rules> to me. but socialized medicine fixed me up in one hour
2018-05-06T21:36:03 < Steffanx> i dont even know what socialized medicine is supposed to be.
2018-05-06T21:36:14 < tpw_rules> it's medicine you don't have to pay for
2018-05-06T21:36:34 < Steffanx> "Socialized medicine is a term used in the United States " .. explains it.
2018-05-06T21:36:56 < tpw_rules> that's cause the US is the only country that doesn't have it
2018-05-06T21:43:08 < Steffanx> So youll be in germany for 0.5 year?
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2018-05-06T21:46:23 < tpw_rules> yeah
2018-05-06T21:46:29 < tpw_rules> why
2018-05-06T21:47:03 < Steffanx> Just curious.
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2018-05-06T21:49:37 < branjb> <tpw_rules> it's medicine you don't have to pay for
2018-05-06T21:49:40 < branjb> who pays for it?
2018-05-06T21:51:17 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/98d51a19d8/110728.jpg
2018-05-06T21:51:24 < Laurenceb__> my sides
2018-05-06T21:51:25 < tpw_rules> not me cause i don't pay taxes here :D
2018-05-06T21:51:28 < branjb> lol
2018-05-06T21:51:49 < Laurenceb__> the youtube is leaking into the irl
2018-05-06T21:51:50 < branjb> if i was on vacation in germany and got hurt could i go into any of their hospitals and get fixed?
2018-05-06T21:52:14 < Laurenceb__> branjb: in uk the murican government would get charged, or something weird like that
2018-05-06T21:52:35 < branjb> would the burger government just pay it or would they pass the bill to me when i got home?
2018-05-06T21:52:53 < Laurenceb__> yeah bill would be waiting for you when you got home
2018-05-06T21:52:57 < branjb> rip
2018-05-06T21:53:07 < branjb> what if i had a syrian passport?
2018-05-06T21:53:07 < Steffanx> You dont need the insurence bill thing either, tpw_rules ?
2018-05-06T21:53:34 < Steffanx> Or do you only need that when youre for more than x months im germany
2018-05-06T21:54:16 < Laurenceb__> branjb: kek its funny cuz thats what Assad was involved in
2018-05-06T21:54:23 < Laurenceb__> also my relatives
2018-05-06T21:54:34 < Laurenceb__> dodgy health tourism 
2018-05-06T21:54:39 < branjb> lol
2018-05-06T21:54:40 < tpw_rules> Steffanx: i do have to pay insurance but it's pretty cheap cause i'm a student
2018-05-06T21:58:58 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/98d51a19d8/110729.png
2018-05-06T21:59:23 < Laurenceb__> sheet the size of that crowd
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2018-05-06T21:59:38 < branjb> what is #dayforfreeom?
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2018-05-06T22:51:50 < invzim> allreet, successful reflow on all I can see
2018-05-06T22:53:34 < invzim> with thus stuff https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/chip-quik-inc/TS391AX50/TS391AX50-ND/7802229 after 1 hour of fiddling with oven settings
2018-05-06T23:34:13 < Steffanx> we need pics of the results invzim ;)
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2018-05-06T23:45:32 < stvn> Hello welcome!!
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2018-05-07T00:16:54 < bitmask> anyone ever use gazelle to sell something?
2018-05-07T00:30:19 < aandrew> gazelle?
2018-05-07T00:40:11 < Steffanx> Indeed. Gazelle?
2018-05-07T00:42:20 < Cracki> springy pointy critters that make every big cat's mouth water?
2018-05-07T00:43:08 < Cracki> ah, some kind of ebay for just used phones?
2018-05-07T00:44:05 < Cracki> they must have been inspired by the "sprint" carrier
2018-05-07T00:49:14 < stvn> gazelle??
2018-05-07T00:50:05 < stvn> I guess since eBay is a Jew beyond epic proportions there will be no shortage of alternatives
2018-05-07T00:50:32 < stvn> And scams
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2018-05-07T01:28:36 < invzim> Steffanx: https://drive.google.com/open?id=14A_-_hAtoJTD8bWev0DjeS1h4ckf6Xu-
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2018-05-07T03:24:12 < dongs> analol'g to analol'g
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2018-05-07T03:56:25 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/9KosDYY.jpg
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2018-05-07T05:46:25 < m4t> hi, does anyone know of sellers (aliexpress, ebay) with st-link v2 clones that are *known* to have actual STM32F103C8's inside?
2018-05-07T05:50:28 < m4t> or other vendors in a similar price range that'll ship to usa
2018-05-07T05:53:32 < dongs> if you';re that fucking picky at this point why not just order genuine stlink from digikey and have it next day?
2018-05-07T06:01:00 < m4t> cuz i'm broke. i don't need an st-link, but no other STM32F103C8 have that form factor, which is good for my purposes.
2018-05-07T06:02:00 < m4t> not gonna spend $25 shipped for something i can get for $2 shipped lol.
2018-05-07T06:14:22 < emeb_mac> dongs: know anything about low-power LCD displays?
2018-05-07T06:16:10 < emeb_mac> been messing around with a little battery powered project using something similar to one of those cruddy nokia5110 things
2018-05-07T06:16:31 < emeb_mac> wondering if there's something newer & more available.
2018-05-07T06:18:01 < englishman> nope. nokia 5110 is the pinnacle of display technology.
2018-05-07T06:20:18 < emeb_mac> saw this and wondered where they got the display https://twitter.com/WeldPond/status/992198695746711552
2018-05-07T06:53:51 < aandrew> lol l0pht
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2018-05-07T08:08:24 < jpa-> m4t: bought https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-ST-Link-V2-Stlink-Emulator-Downloader-Programming-STM8-STM32-Metal-Shell/302561425361   last month, it has STM32F103CBU6 rev 1
2018-05-07T08:08:41 < m4t> jpa-: thanks!
2018-05-07T08:10:02 < jpa-> and it even has most of the pads of the QFN package brought out to little traces
2018-05-07T08:11:44 < m4t> cool. it says europe only but it's going to let me checkout i think.
2018-05-07T08:12:01 < m4t> 2 left of 14 that have been sold since january...so i'd imagine it's the same lot.
2018-05-07T08:12:17 < m4t> 12*
2018-05-07T08:13:27 < m4t> hmm..nope :( i'll see if there are other listings with similar verbage, maybe they have another account for usa sales.
2018-05-07T08:13:52 < m4t> jpa-: did it look like the picture?
2018-05-07T08:14:12 < jpa-> yes, except the shell was lighter color than the picture
2018-05-07T08:14:19 < jpa-> i'm just happy it wasn't pink like some listings
2018-05-07T08:14:52 < m4t> hah yeah
2018-05-07T08:15:10 < jpa-> it says "mx-link v2" on the board
2018-05-07T08:16:29 < jpa-> http://commonemitter.blogspot.fi/2016/10/st-link-v2-clone.html  hmm, looks like some mx-links have just STM32F101
2018-05-07T08:17:14 < m4t> i think it's the same silicon...just less quality assurance or e.g. failed usb test during manufacturing, from what i read
2018-05-07T08:17:22 < m4t> if i could get the "real thing" i'd like to though
2018-05-07T08:17:49 < jpa-> my board has date stamp of 2018-02-18 so atleast the "real thing" is still being used also
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2018-05-07T08:25:56 < dongs> emeb_mac: i donno i use e-paper for that
2018-05-07T08:27:00 < emeb_mac> dongs: ah - tried e-paper too. kinda slow for my application.
2018-05-07T08:28:36 < dongs> is nokia5110 the monochrome lcd thing?
2018-05-07T08:29:05 < dongs> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10168
2018-05-07T08:31:10 < jpa-> emeb_mac: did you already take a look at memory lcd?
2018-05-07T08:31:51 < jpa-> https://www.adafruit.com/product/3502
2018-05-07T08:31:59 < emeb_mac> jpa-: someone else suggested that.
2018-05-07T08:32:14 < emeb_mac> but I haven't looked at those yet.
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2018-05-07T08:37:18 < Hamilton> uint8_t u8a = 0xA1U; if (~u8a == 00U) {
2018-05-07T08:37:53 < Hamilton> So C, first of sees 00U's type and u8a's type are incompatible
2018-05-07T08:38:20 < Hamilton> then it promotes u8a to unsigned int (32 bit in this architecture)
2018-05-07T08:38:52 < Hamilton> So first of all, C promotes u8a to an unsigned int (uint32_t in this cpu), right?
2018-05-07T08:39:06 < dongs> what the fuck
2018-05-07T08:39:18 < dongs> why would you write such shit
2018-05-07T08:39:40 < jpa-> your interpretation is correct, but yeah, that looks like total crap :P
2018-05-07T08:40:17 < Hamilton> So what is the remedy?
2018-05-07T08:40:29 < Hamilton> if ((uint8_t)~u8a == 00U) ?
2018-05-07T08:41:25 < jpa-> if (u8a == 0xFF)?
2018-05-07T08:41:55 < Hamilton> jpa-, You mean it is better to write the code this way?
2018-05-07T08:42:08 < Hamilton> I'm just considering C's behaviour
2018-05-07T08:42:51 < dongs> you should consider behaviour of people who will be reading your code
2018-05-07T08:43:05 < dongs> if it makes them want to stab you, don't write shit like that
2018-05-07T08:43:32 < jpa-> Hamilton: yeah, ~ is a bit confusing due to the automatic int promotion, and casting to uint8_t or whatever afterwards "fixes" it
2018-05-07T08:43:35 < Hamilton> dongs, I know the code is bad. I just want to avoid such mistakes in a different scenario
2018-05-07T08:43:36 < m4t> jpa-: i found an aliexpress seller where someone left a photo of the bare board in the most recent review/feedback... mx-link v2 2018-02-18 :)
2018-05-07T08:44:40 < jpa-> Hamilton: the promotion always happens with ~, even without the if; so e.g. printf("%08x", ~u8a) would print 0xFFFFFF5E
2018-05-07T08:45:35 < Hamilton> jpa-, Wow, The promotion always happens with ~? You sure?
2018-05-07T08:45:53 < Hamilton> %08x container maybe forces promotion?
2018-05-07T08:45:54 < jpa-> it always happens with any arithmetic in C
2018-05-07T08:46:15 < jpa-> https://wiki.sei.cmu.edu/confluence/display/c/INT02-C.+Understand+integer+conversion+rules "Integer types smaller than int are promoted when an operation is performed on them."
2018-05-07T08:46:31 < Hamilton> jpa-, yeah but in those cases there is another operand around forcing conversion
2018-05-07T08:46:53 < jpa-> Hamilton: no, look at the first example of "char c1, c2;"  both are char, but c1 + c2 is int
2018-05-07T08:47:49 < jpa-> then there is the separate promotion rules for incompatible operands in ==, but the int promotion happens first
2018-05-07T08:48:09  * Hamilton bamboozeld
2018-05-07T08:55:37 < Hamilton> jpa-, Even >> operator forces type conversion! So suppose I have uint32_t x = 0b11..1;
2018-05-07T08:56:08 < Hamilton> If I shift it right by 3 , is the result x = 0b0001111?
2018-05-07T08:57:07 < Hamilton> The link suggests this implicit conversion happens so that the resulting arithmetic would be correct (in terms of overflow)
2018-05-07T08:57:16 < jpa-> uint32_t is already the same size as int, so it won't be promoted further
2018-05-07T08:57:25 < Hamilton> jpa-, exactly
2018-05-07T08:57:53 < jpa-> nah, arithmetic won't always be correct, it will just be correct more often
2018-05-07T08:58:27 < Hamilton> jpa-, So it was better for them not to do any type conversion and trust that to the developer (like C does for many other things)
2018-05-07T08:59:02 < Hamilton> jpa-, But is the result of shift operator 0b0001..1 or 0b111..11?
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2018-05-07T08:59:27 < jpa-> 0xFFFFFFFF >> 3 is 0x1FFFFFFF
2018-05-07T09:00:22 < Hamilton> but I thought if the MSB is 1, shifting right always has leading 1s
2018-05-07T09:00:36 < jpa-> uint32_t has no sign bit
2018-05-07T09:00:59 < jpa-> if it were int, the result would be 0xFFFFFFFF
2018-05-07T09:01:07  * Hamilton feels his whole life are LIES!
2018-05-07T09:01:34 < jpa-> C is a language to get stuff done, the int promotion works great most of the time and bites your ass the rest of the time
2018-05-07T09:01:57 < jpa-> besides, it's what would happen in assembler anyway
2018-05-07T09:01:59 < Hamilton> jpa-, So now C does detect the leading 1 is actually a "sign" bit not a humbe 1 bit?
2018-05-07T09:02:41 < jpa-> if operand is unsigned, it uses unsigned shift instruction; if operand is signed, it uses signed shift instruction
2018-05-07T09:03:31 < Hamilton> jpa-, The link you mentioned is like the declaration of independece. There are just so many corner cases and exceptions...
2018-05-07T09:03:35 < jpa-> (often also called "arithmetic shift" vs. "logic shift")
2018-05-07T09:03:46 < Hamilton> Shall be ... Shant be... 
2018-05-07T09:07:02 < jpa-> IMO the biggest gotcha about unsigned vs. signed is     void foo(int *array, size_t count) {  for (int i = 0; i < count - 1; i++) { .. you think this would process all but the last entry .. } }
2018-05-07T09:07:30 < jpa-> even though it is totally obvious, i always make that mistake
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2018-05-07T09:09:43 < Bernhard> jpa-, i <= count - 1 you mean?
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2018-05-07T09:10:11 < dongs> i fucking hate unnecessary <= 
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2018-05-07T09:10:27 < jpa-> nah, i meant < there, but count - 1 is the problematic part
2018-05-07T09:10:50 < jpa-> it's easy enough to learn to write   i < count    but    i + 1 < count   always feels unintuitive to me
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2018-05-07T09:12:16 < Bernhard> This shitty net :|
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2018-05-07T09:12:26 < Bernhard> what is this nick :(
2018-05-07T09:13:01 < dongs> no idea
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2018-05-07T09:13:23 < dongs> jpa-: but why would you even write that anyway
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2018-05-07T09:17:20 < jpa-> dongs: for any purpose where you'd want to process pairs of entries, e.g. "find biggest change in array values" to detect some peak or something
2018-05-07T09:17:59 < jpa-> for (int i = 1; i < count; i++) and then use i-1 is another safe way to write it, of course
2018-05-07T09:18:00 < dongs> but your i++ is not i +=2
2018-05-07T09:18:05 < dongs> ohh
2018-05-07T09:18:12 < dongs> err, but your original sample started i = 0
2018-05-07T09:18:21 < dongs> which is why iw as confused
2018-05-07T09:18:40 < jpa-> three ways to write it :P
2018-05-07T09:18:50 < dongs> fuck that shit. the first one looks dumb
2018-05-07T09:19:00 < jpa-> for (int i = 0; i < count - 1; i++) { pair(data[i], data[i+1]); }      <-- doesn't work
2018-05-07T09:19:22 < jpa-> for (int i = 0; i + 1 < count; i++) { pair(data[i], data[i+1]); }     <-- works
2018-05-07T09:19:30 < dongs> wut
2018-05-07T09:19:40 < jpa-> for (int i = 1; i < count; i++) { pair(data[i-1], data[i]); }    <-- works
2018-05-07T09:20:07 < dongs> what does the 'doesn't work' do
2018-05-07T09:20:14 < jpa-> infinite loop if count is 0
2018-05-07T09:20:28 < dongs> oh sure, because it becomes max_int?
2018-05-07T09:20:33 < jpa-> yeah
2018-05-07T09:20:36 < dongs> or max_sizet or wahtever
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2018-05-07T09:22:42 < dongs> so hmmmm
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2018-05-07T09:25:28 < Hamilton> jpa-, but that is not infinite loop? Shouldn't it be like i < 65536 or whatever?
2018-05-07T09:25:47 < dongs> size_t is 32bit
2018-05-07T09:25:51 < dongs> unsigned
2018-05-07T09:26:01 < dongs> it may as well be infinite, plus you'll be overrunning memory anyway
2018-05-07T09:26:08 < Hamilton> So 2^32?
2018-05-07T09:26:20 < dongs> yeah
2018-05-07T09:26:42 < Hamilton> dongs, overrunning memory?
2018-05-07T09:27:12 < Hamilton> Those assignments and comparisons didn't mess with unassigned memory, did they?
2018-05-07T09:29:37 < Hamilton> jpa-, There is a table discussing automated scripts to catch these mistakes.
2018-05-07T09:29:50 < Hamilton> Is there a favorite/famous one for embedded stuff ?
2018-05-07T09:32:57 < dongs> yes, its called common sense
2018-05-07T09:33:09 < dongs> easiest solution: don't write shit code
2018-05-07T09:33:21 < dongs> then you won't run into langauge edge cases
2018-05-07T09:38:49 < jpa-> Hamilton: int i will always be smaller than size_t max.. but yeah, usually you should use size_t i; instead :P
2018-05-07T09:39:37 < jpa-> Hamilton: i usually just rely on compiler warnings
2018-05-07T09:39:47 < jpa-> (and testing, of course)
2018-05-07T09:39:57 < Hamilton> Thanks
2018-05-07T09:40:10 < jpa-> for more important stuff, clang's sanitize etc. is nice
2018-05-07T09:40:14 < dongs> there's also ssize_t
2018-05-07T09:40:21 < dongs> a GNU extension no doubt
2018-05-07T09:42:28 < Hamilton> Seems like STM32 is the MVP in MCU world, eh?
2018-05-07T09:42:28 < Hamilton> https://www.reddit.com/r/embedded/comments/8hdnnf/which_families_of_mcu_do_you_prefer_for_what_and/
2018-05-07T09:42:44 < dongs> > using faggit for some authoritative resource
2018-05-07T09:42:48 < dongs> > top comment = avr
2018-05-07T09:43:29 < Hamilton> dongs, lolz reddit is faggot?!
2018-05-07T09:43:54 < Hamilton> dongs, You are very angry bro!
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2018-05-07T10:18:03 < stvn> Reddit is a dog
2018-05-07T10:18:47 < stvn> Ever read the comments
2018-05-07T10:19:08 < stvn> Sounds like a bunch of retards in wheelchairs sucking each other off
2018-05-07T10:19:54 < dongs> literally
2018-05-07T10:24:38 < Steffanx> stvn is in a wheelchair?
2018-05-07T10:30:05 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/DiQMn804/steffan.PNG
2018-05-07T10:30:35 < zyp> sorry to hear about your legs, stvn 
2018-05-07T10:30:43 < stvn> Hahahahahaha
2018-05-07T10:33:15 < dongs> i dont get it
2018-05-07T10:33:25 < dongs> hey zyp so are you saying with your SPI loop from earlier
2018-05-07T10:33:29 < dongs> i don't need to check FRLVL thing?
2018-05-07T10:33:52 < dongs> You can check in at the airport via the kiosk with this 2D barcode (PDF417), then self-tag your baggage items and print your boarding pass.
2018-05-07T10:33:55 < dongs> wow, innovation
2018-05-07T10:39:53 < zyp> is that new?
2018-05-07T10:40:03 < dongs> haevnt seen taht when booking to taiwan alst month
2018-05-07T10:40:06 < dongs> showed up this month
2018-05-07T10:41:45 < zyp> yeah, but haven't everybody already been doing this since forever?
2018-05-07T10:41:54 < zyp> everybody else*
2018-05-07T10:43:57 < stvn> I don’t wanna fly to China
2018-05-07T10:46:02 < zyp> around here, the only place where you might have to interact with other humans when you go flying is at the security checkpoint, they haven't made that self-service yet
2018-05-07T10:47:23 < zyp> boarding pass, you can either get on your phone, print at home or print at a self-service kiosk
2018-05-07T10:47:57 < dongs> some shitty azn airline i flew last month
2018-05-07T10:48:01 < dongs> charged for printing boarding pass 
2018-05-07T10:48:02 < dongs> at kiosk
2018-05-07T10:48:06 < dongs> of course the ticket was like $15
2018-05-07T10:48:09 < dongs> so i can understand why
2018-05-07T10:48:13 < dongs> but still, hilarious.
2018-05-07T10:48:17 < zyp> then you print baggage tags at a kiosk, put it on your shit, then you go to self-service baggage drop, throw it on the conveyor and scan it yourself
2018-05-07T10:48:18 < dongs> if i had a laser printer i could print it for $0
2018-05-07T10:48:56 < stvn> The historical nigger
2018-05-07T10:50:06 < zyp> then there's automated gates for passport control if you're flying out of schengen, and automated gates where you board the plane
2018-05-07T10:51:35 < zyp> printing boarding passes at all seems fairly pointless
2018-05-07T10:52:51 < dongs> yeah. but everytime i show up wiht my pass on a phone to taiwan
2018-05-07T10:52:56 < dongs> the people at jap airport get all panicky
2018-05-07T10:53:01 < dongs> and have to pull out this big cardboard piece
2018-05-07T10:53:05 < dongs> that shows screenshots
2018-05-07T10:53:09 < zyp> haha
2018-05-07T10:53:10 < dongs> of all diffeent airlines boarding passes
2018-05-07T10:53:13 < dongs> and compare if mine looks same
2018-05-07T10:53:40 < zyp> you mean there's a human looking at it?
2018-05-07T10:53:44 < dongs> yeah
2018-05-07T10:53:45 < zyp> not just scanning a qr code?
2018-05-07T10:53:49 < dongs> correct
2018-05-07T10:53:58 < zyp> gotta love japan
2018-05-07T10:54:01 < dongs> japan(tm)
2018-05-07T10:54:19 < srk> gotta keep these useless jobs
2018-05-07T10:54:30 < zyp> yeah
2018-05-07T10:54:31 < srk> otherwise ppl get pissed
2018-05-07T10:54:59 < zyp> I'm convinced japan's low unemployment rate is a direct result of how they just throw a lot of people at everything
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2018-05-07T10:57:49 < kakimir> hello irc
2018-05-07T11:01:17 < stvn> Gooday sport
2018-05-07T11:02:38 < stvn> Sit down and grab a tinny mate
2018-05-07T11:07:59 < zyp> dongs, re: FRLVL, which chip are we talking?
2018-05-07T11:08:33 < zyp> I've never looked at FRLVL on any of the chips I've used
2018-05-07T11:09:31 < dongs> the newspi core, f3xx and such
2018-05-07T11:09:39 < dongs> if i don't look at it then there's crap in fifo
2018-05-07T11:10:04 < zyp> how so?
2018-05-07T11:11:19 < dongs> https://community.st.com/thread/47707-spi-rx-buffer-shifted
2018-05-07T11:12:05 < dongs> https://community.st.com/thread/34659-understanding-spi-on-the-stm32f3
2018-05-07T11:12:05 < dongs> etc
2018-05-07T11:12:14 < dongs> there's mentions of frlvl with a "read all data received' shit
2018-05-07T11:12:16 < dongs> even if its dummy
2018-05-07T11:16:21 < zyp> are you setting FRXTH right?
2018-05-07T11:16:55 < dongs> yeah
2018-05-07T11:17:00 < dongs> thre's no setting to disable it tho
2018-05-07T11:17:03 < dongs> 1/2 or 1/4 onlty
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2018-05-07T11:19:04 < zyp> that means if you're doing 8-bit or 16-bit reads
2018-05-07T11:19:44 < zyp> the fifo is 32-bits, FRXTH selects if RXNE triggers after 8 or 16 bits received
2018-05-07T11:20:33 < dongs> wat if im doing both.
2018-05-07T11:20:41 < zyp> both what?
2018-05-07T11:20:48 < dongs> 8 and 16.
2018-05-07T11:20:55 < zyp> in what sense?
2018-05-07T11:20:59 < dongs> in exactly that.
2018-05-07T11:21:11 < dongs> the other code where i check FRLVL shit, i use dff to switch betwee 8/16 bit modes.
2018-05-07T11:21:24 < dongs> byte writes are 8 bit, DMA writes are 16bit
2018-05-07T11:21:32 < dongs> so i dff before DMA
2018-05-07T11:22:05 < zyp> dff?
2018-05-07T11:22:27 < dongs> its called something else on f4
2018-05-07T11:22:27 < dongs> sec
2018-05-07T11:22:29 < dongs> er f3
2018-05-07T11:22:42 < zyp> you mean the DS field in CR2?
2018-05-07T11:22:47 < dongs> DS yea
2018-05-07T11:22:56 < zyp> yeah? it's right next to FRXTH
2018-05-07T11:23:00 < zyp> update both at the same time
2018-05-07T11:23:01 < dongs> sure
2018-05-07T11:23:04 < dongs> err
2018-05-07T11:23:21 < dongs> why sholud i have to tho
2018-05-07T11:23:28 < dongs> waht if i dont give a shit about fifo at all
2018-05-07T11:23:28 < srk> on f7/l4 that's tricky cause even if you set DS to 8 bit size and use a 16 bit write to DR it will output 16 bits no matter what DS is
2018-05-07T11:23:32 < zyp> idk, why are you even switching?
2018-05-07T11:23:37 < dongs> because dma
2018-05-07T11:23:51 < dongs> srk, really?
2018-05-07T11:23:55 < srk> yes
2018-05-07T11:23:59 < zyp> srk, yes, because a 16-bit write gets interpreted as a double 8-bit write
2018-05-07T11:24:02 < srk> dongs: few hours of debugging ;)
2018-05-07T11:24:14 < dongs> thats actually very nice
2018-05-07T11:24:19 < Jak_o_Shadows> hmm. Time to figure out what this systick is actually running at.
2018-05-07T11:24:23 < dongs> ill need to test it, but if thats realyl the case it could save me some switching
2018-05-07T11:24:24 < srk> zyp: interesting
2018-05-07T11:24:26 < Jak_o_Shadows> Then to consider if I actually want it to run at that speed
2018-05-07T11:24:28 < dongs> cuz my DMA is 16bit anyway...
2018-05-07T11:25:24 < zyp> srk, if you configure DS to say 5 bits, and do a 16-bit write, it'll write bits 0-4 and then 8-12
2018-05-07T11:25:33 < srk> fun :)
2018-05-07T11:25:43 < dongs> at least newspi core lets you do that
2018-05-07T11:25:52 < dongs> the old one onyl supported 8 or 16, and was called DFF t here.
2018-05-07T11:25:59 < zyp> yes
2018-05-07T11:26:16 < zyp> the old one didn't care about write sizes either
2018-05-07T11:26:21 < dongs> correct
2018-05-07T11:27:05 < dongs> actually looking at stdperiph
2018-05-07T11:27:12 < dongs> writes to DR are always 16bit
2018-05-07T11:27:22 < dongs> if you wanna write 8bit they do that dumb offset from start of periph
2018-05-07T11:27:35 < dongs> spixbase += 0x0C; *(__IO uint8_t *) spixbase = Data;
2018-05-07T11:27:42 < zyp> haha
2018-05-07T11:27:43 < dongs> 0xc = offset of DR
2018-05-07T11:28:20 < dongs> don't you have SPI on your arcin shit?
2018-05-07T11:28:28 < zyp> yes
2018-05-07T11:28:39 < dongs> and you havent had any problems with this stuff?
2018-05-07T11:28:54 < zyp> not after I realized I had to do 8-bit writes
2018-05-07T11:29:10 < dongs> how does C++14 master do an 8 bit write?
2018-05-07T11:29:11 < kakimir> lpc1111 anyone?
2018-05-07T11:29:17 < dongs> kakimir: get in the oven
2018-05-07T11:29:37 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-07T11:29:40 < kakimir> innovate
2018-05-07T11:30:08 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/spi/spi.h
2018-05-07T11:30:26 < zyp> use DR for a 16-bit write, DR8 for an 8-bit write
2018-05-07T11:30:37 < dongs> shocked that even works
2018-05-07T11:30:43 < dongs> fuck alignment and everythign
2018-05-07T11:30:43 < zyp> why?
2018-05-07T11:30:45 < dongs> i donno
2018-05-07T11:30:52 < dongs> does that directly overlay into peripheral space?
2018-05-07T11:30:59 < dongs> and does the right thing(tm)?
2018-05-07T11:31:04 < zyp> you know what a union in C does, right?
2018-05-07T11:31:07 < dongs> yes
2018-05-07T11:31:15 < dongs> same space used for all the parts
2018-05-07T11:31:19 < zyp> yep
2018-05-07T11:31:47 < zyp> so the address for DR and DR8 is the same, and the compiler uses the appropriate write size for the selected type
2018-05-07T11:31:53 < dongs>   __IO uint16_t DR;       /*!< SPI data register,                                   Address offset: 0x0C */
2018-05-07T11:31:57 < dongs>   uint16_t  RESERVED3;    /*!< Reserved, 0x0E                                                            */
2018-05-07T11:32:05 < dongs> ^ stdperiphway
2018-05-07T11:32:11 < zyp> sure
2018-05-07T11:32:24 < dongs> i'm curious why they dont d osomething like
2018-05-07T11:32:45 < zyp> technically the registers are all 16-bit, but declaring them as 32-bit means I don't have to pad between them
2018-05-07T11:32:47 < dongs> *(uint8_t *)DR = 8bitshit; 
2018-05-07T11:32:51 < dongs> and instead of do that offset s tuff
2018-05-07T11:33:01 < zyp> upper bits are ignored anyway, there's no practical difference between 16 and 32 bit writes
2018-05-07T11:33:08 < zyp> so I only need to special case for 8
2018-05-07T11:33:36 < dongs> is 32bit write faster tha n16?
2018-05-07T11:36:10 < dongs> wtf
2018-05-07T11:36:15 < dongs> where does your SPI code actually do anything useful
2018-05-07T11:36:18 < dongs> like reads/writes
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2018-05-07T11:55:00 < zyp> dongs, tranfer_byte()
2018-05-07T11:55:13 < zyp> it only checks RXNE
2018-05-07T11:55:32 < dongs> in where?
2018-05-07T11:55:34 < dongs> in that .h?
2018-05-07T11:55:38 < zyp> yes
2018-05-07T11:55:39 < dongs> there's nothing but definition of registers
2018-05-07T11:55:43 < dongs> uhh
2018-05-07T11:55:46 < dongs> do i need to choose some other branch
2018-05-07T11:55:49 < zyp> lines 27-35
2018-05-07T11:55:56 < dongs> oh
2018-05-07T11:55:57 < dongs> fucking C++
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2018-05-07T12:13:09 < psprint> When I was at electronics under-high-school school (college?), they didn't explain transistor well, that's another story, but I easily understood how thyristor works. Does someone know some interesting thyristor-using circuits, e.g. it cannot replace transistor can it?
2018-05-07T12:15:26 < zyp> your question doesn't make it sound like you understand thyristors all that well
2018-05-07T12:16:15 < psprint> well they conduct also when gate stops stearing, so not very transistor-like, is that what you mean?
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2018-05-07T12:21:46 < psprint> I should mention that I'm a fan of uncommon solutions, the question is motivated with this
2018-05-07T12:22:18 < kakimir> babby's first stencil
2018-05-07T12:30:23 < stvn> The thyristor
2018-05-07T12:35:33 < dongs> < psprint> I should mention that I'm an autistic fuck
2018-05-07T12:35:35 < dongs> ^ ftfy
2018-05-07T12:35:45 < dongs> i donno i prefer solutions that work
2018-05-07T12:35:56 < dongs> instead of negroing something up with something that wasnt intended for htat purpose
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2018-05-07T12:36:28 < psprint> yeah I'm quite opposite, except something working is also required
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2018-05-07T12:44:29 < psprint> my best memories is writing test programs at intel for VLIW ARM processor – very long instruction word, basically max. 8 basic processor instructions executed as one, there was some word atom involved, maybe this complex instruction is called atom. A dream task for me I think, to arrange atoms of 8 concurrent instructions to compute something, hehe. There were limitations, like: max 2 arithmetic and 1 say
2018-05-07T12:44:32 < psprint> memory transfer instructions
2018-05-07T12:45:17 < psprint> would be great to see this in MCUs ;)
2018-05-07T12:46:36 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1: found an issue causing problems with FreeRTOS (and likely any other RTOSes) with Gentoo crossdev toolchain: when using hardened profile, gcc will use -fstack-check by default, and so -fno-stack-check is required for firmware to work properly.
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2018-05-07T12:55:23 < psprint> internet says VLIW is near or actually dead, so might not hear about it anymore
2018-05-07T13:07:18 < dongs> hardened profile
2018-05-07T13:07:30 < dongs> lunix users dicks harden when they think they're solving security
2018-05-07T13:10:24 < psprint> one such thing drove me nuts lately – it's impossible to alter include-path and library-path in GCC using environment variables. There exist such variables but: they all are checked AFTER command line arguments. So basic task: apply my custom library from /opt/lib to this project without touching any Makefile, is impossible. This is I think due to GNU's "security" mania
2018-05-07T13:11:10 < dongs> the fuck what
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2018-05-07T13:13:28 < psprint> to build custom say libgit2, install in /opt/libgit2/{lib,include}, then just export GCC_PRE_INCLUDE=/opt/libgit2/include LD_PRE_LIB=/opt/libgit2/libgit2, and run any build system (cmake, configure, raw Makefile) seeing it finds custom library, not one from /usr/lib, /usr/include
2018-05-07T13:13:57 < dongs> i'm so fucking glad i use windows
2018-05-07T13:14:03 < dongs> i doubleclick setup.exe and start doing work
2018-05-07T13:14:30 < psprint> do you have cygwin installed?
2018-05-07T13:14:34 < dongs> no
2018-05-07T13:14:41 < karlp> what on earth areyou actually trying to do?
2018-05-07T13:14:55 < karlp> are you trying to rebuild pkg-config?
2018-05-07T13:15:10 < dongs> he's trying to out-autism o6
2018-05-07T13:15:35 < psprint> karlp: nothing currently, just mentioning security hardening in linux world, but yes, I was about to add package-manager functionality to my zplugin
2018-05-07T13:15:35 < srk> psprint: check out nixos, solves most of the issues like you describe
2018-05-07T13:15:50 < dongs> what teh shit is nixos
2018-05-07T13:15:53 < dongs> another lunix distro?
2018-05-07T13:16:16 < srk> yeah
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2018-05-07T13:19:47 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1: so -hardened is needed for cross-arm-none-eabi/gcc to disable it.
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2018-05-07T13:39:12 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hmm, writing to a usb endpoint is blocking?
2018-05-07T13:41:20 < karlp> what?
2018-05-07T13:41:28 < dongs> blockCHAIN
2018-05-07T13:41:41 < Jak_o_Shadows> orrrr, I don't really know what I'm talking about.
2018-05-07T13:42:45 < Jak_o_Shadows> I am trying to set my joystick project to have a nice defined systick interval - thinking was that i would send the usb data every blah time, rather than every systick
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2018-05-07T13:44:17 < stvn> ah fuck it
2018-05-07T13:44:22 < dongs> just keil it
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2018-05-07T13:45:59 < Jak_o_Shadows> Is my thinking anything near correct? USB will not appreicate updates getting shoved down it's throat?
2018-05-07T13:46:40 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: with HID?
2018-05-07T13:46:45 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yes PaulFertser
2018-05-07T13:48:59 < dongs> zyp knows allbout hid and joysticks
2018-05-07T13:49:24 < Hamilton> Jak_o_Shadows, Nice name!
2018-05-07T13:50:21 < dekar_> You can surely implement your own FW update on top of HID. I've done that before.
2018-05-07T13:50:24 < Jak_o_Shadows> Thanks Hamilton
2018-05-07T13:50:25 < jpa-> Jak_o_Shadows: USB hardware on STM32 has a buffer for a single packet typically, but it is entirely up to the USB driver what kind of API it gives
2018-05-07T13:51:02 < jpa-> (a single packet per endpoint)
2018-05-07T13:51:03 < Jak_o_Shadows> huh, ok. So i'm a bit confused.
2018-05-07T13:51:36 < zyp> Jak_o_Shadows, you probably don't want to poll your joystick from systick
2018-05-07T13:52:06 < Jak_o_Shadows> Are you talking about the polling, or the sending?
2018-05-07T13:52:13 < zyp> both
2018-05-07T13:52:17 < jpa-> i'd setup a callback for when the last packet has been read, and then in the callback prepare the next packet
2018-05-07T13:52:45 < zyp> from a firmware perspective, sending consists of putting a packet in a buffer for the host to read when it wants to
2018-05-07T13:53:16 < zyp> you'll want to prepare a new packet once the previous one has been sent, e.g. what jpa- said
2018-05-07T13:54:01 < zyp> whether it happens by callback or repeatedly checking the buffer status doesn't matter
2018-05-07T13:54:29 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/bLzMXK29.html how's this? decent pattern to proceed with implementing other functions?
2018-05-07T13:56:02 < jpa-> when would flashfsTask() run?
2018-05-07T13:56:04 < zyp> probably
2018-05-07T13:56:08 < karlp> "often"
2018-05-07T13:56:18 < Jak_o_Shadows> So there is a callback I can set from from usb?
2018-05-07T13:56:20 < dongs> jpa, called from main loop every 1-10ms or so
2018-05-07T13:56:29 < zyp> Jak_o_Shadows, depends on the stack you're using
2018-05-07T13:56:45 < Jak_o_Shadows> loc3 on a stm31f1
2018-05-07T13:57:04 < zyp> I think they support callbacks
2018-05-07T13:57:34 < jpa-> dongs: sounds somewhat slow to wait for polling before the next write can begin
2018-05-07T13:58:05 < jpa-> dongs: second thing; the code that calls flashfsWrite(), how does it know when it can release the buffer?
2018-05-07T13:58:34 < Jak_o_Shadows> So in my callback, I just prefer the buffer, I dont' send it?
2018-05-07T13:58:39 < dongs> jpa-: i'll probably have a flashfsBusy() or something that i can poll from elsewhere
2018-05-07T13:58:49 < dongs> don't care about speed, this is just for logging
2018-05-07T13:58:52 < zyp> Jak_o_Shadows, yes you do
2018-05-07T13:59:03 < dongs> i know i could use DMA_TC stuff to switch dma end states
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2018-05-07T13:59:23 < dongs> but i'd have to communicate this somehow from spi/flash driver into the fail-flash-fs thing im writing
2018-05-07T13:59:26 < zyp> dongs, it'd probably be better to start the DMA job in flashfsWrite
2018-05-07T13:59:27 < jpa-> Jak_o_Shadows: yeah, libopencm3 has a rx/tx callback you give as parameter to usbd_ep_setup()
2018-05-07T13:59:42 < dongs> zyp, oh hm yeah
2018-05-07T13:59:50 < dongs> no point to wait for one loop
2018-05-07T14:01:35 < dongs> oh but zyp
2018-05-07T14:01:41 < dongs> if I have > page_size data
2018-05-07T14:01:44 < dongs> i have to re-start DMA
2018-05-07T14:01:52 < dongs> so i'll have that extra state anyway
2018-05-07T14:02:05 < zyp> fair
2018-05-07T14:02:12 < jpa-> Jak_o_Shadows: usually it would look like this:     void init() { usbd_ep_setup(..., tx_callback); usbd_ep_write_packet(usbd_dev, ep, first_packet_data, first_packet_len); }   and then  void tx_callback(...) { .. prepare next data ..; usbd_ep_write_packet(usbd_dev, ep, next_packet_data, next_packet_len); }
2018-05-07T14:02:45 < Jak_o_Shadows> yes.
2018-05-07T14:03:02 < Jak_o_Shadows> I couldn't get that working way back, but it's working a bit nicer now I think.
2018-05-07T14:03:06 < Jak_o_Shadows> So I will try that.
2018-05-07T14:03:14 < zyp> that looks reasonable to me too
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2018-05-07T14:13:12 < karlp> Jak_o_Shadows: you can see here where you "prime" it for the first call https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/blob/master/tests/gadget-zero/usb-gadget0.c#L321
2018-05-07T14:13:42 < karlp> and then teh callback https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/blob/master/tests/gadget-zero/usb-gadget0.c#L233 writes the new data
2018-05-07T14:14:51 < Jak_o_Shadows> Thanks karlp
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2018-05-07T15:07:40 < R0b0t1> PaulFertser: Oooh yeah
2018-05-07T15:07:48 < R0b0t1> PaulFertser: Thing is though I am interested in enabling things like ssp
2018-05-07T15:08:24 < R0b0t1> PaulFertser: cross-arm-none-eabi/gcc cxx -openmp -fortran -sanitize -vtv -selinux -boundschecking -d -gcj -gtk -libffi -mudflap -objc -objc++ -objc-gc -fortran -go -cxx -openmp -sanitize -vtv multilib
2018-05-07T15:08:27 < R0b0t1> That's what I had
2018-05-07T15:08:57 < dongs> .
2018-05-07T15:11:51 < R0b0t1> The Gentoo developers did not like the picture of my cat
2018-05-07T15:11:53 < R0b0t1> I am sad
2018-05-07T15:11:55 < R0b0t1> I suppose it is ok
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2018-05-07T15:26:08 < Cracki> you have cat pictures?
2018-05-07T15:41:15 < dongs> https://medium.com/dair-ai/detecting-sarcasm-with-deep-convolutional-neural-networks-4a0657f79e80 finally a good use for AI trash
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2018-05-07T15:45:41 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1: ssp is another thing, and it's probably ok. But hardened adds those stack probes which assume you have 4k of stack in each task or something like that :)
2018-05-07T15:46:15 < PaulFertser> R0b0t1: cxx might be useful, I see no reason to use plain C nowadays.
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2018-05-07T16:08:12 < dongs> what the eshit
2018-05-07T16:08:28 < dongs> why would DMA not work from flash but work from ram
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2018-05-07T16:10:37 < Thorn> looks like pam8302a takes its time to start up when coming out of shutdown but there's nothing about it in the datasheet
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2018-05-07T16:12:04 < Thorn> the time is on the order of ms because I can hear short sounds being cut off
2018-05-07T16:12:19 < dongs> i'm trying to DMA from userspace (0x80004000), but i'm DMA'ing 0x8000000 (bootloader area) do you think that could be why?
2018-05-07T16:12:29 < dongs> (and if ROP is not activated why would that even matter?
2018-05-07T16:13:19 < Thorn> 800 0000 or 8000 0000?
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2018-05-07T16:13:34 < dongs> the normal one
2018-05-07T16:13:35 < dongs> extra zero.
2018-05-07T16:13:55 < dongs> i mena, 0x0 (shadowed to 800 0000)
2018-05-07T16:13:59 < dongs> vs 0x2000000 (ram
2018-05-07T16:14:09 < dongs> gonna try x4000 to see if its really VTOR related
2018-05-07T16:14:35 < dongs> yeah it is
2018-05-07T16:15:14 < dongs> hmm or not
2018-05-07T16:15:19 < dongs> i just can't DMA from 0
2018-05-07T16:15:23 < dongs> but can from 0x800,000
2018-05-07T16:15:24 < dongs> 0
2018-05-07T16:15:24 < Thorn> ram is @ 2000 0000 not 200 0000 iirc
2018-05-07T16:15:29 < dongs> yeah i know
2018-05-07T16:15:45 < dongs> anyway looks like it doesn't dma from shadowed region
2018-05-07T16:15:51 < dongs> but directly doing 0x8000000 works
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2018-05-07T16:28:48 < zyp> shadowed region is probably only mapped on CPU
2018-05-07T16:30:55 < dongs> something is still fucked
2018-05-07T16:30:56 < dongs> damn wtf
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2018-05-07T16:34:55 < dongs> helps to increment dma memory
2018-05-07T16:35:47 < dongs> nice, works
2018-05-07T17:02:13 < dongs> enough innovation for today
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2018-05-07T17:36:04 < Thorn> why am I getting context ads for sodium niobate
2018-05-07T17:36:43 < Ultrasauce> you should give them a piezo of your mind
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2018-05-07T18:01:05 < englishman> hello innovators
2018-05-07T18:01:12 < englishman> and open source users
2018-05-07T18:01:19 < englishman> (mutually exclusive groups)
2018-05-07T18:01:52 < Ultrasauce> oof
2018-05-07T18:08:59 < Thorn> englishman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN7x6oEruOg
2018-05-07T18:09:09 < englishman> ty
2018-05-07T18:09:26 < englishman> haha
2018-05-07T18:09:58 < Thorn> so if I design a board closer to pcbway minimums I have less chances of getting more boards than I ordered? (or even the number ordered lol)
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2018-05-07T19:24:16 < Steffanx> Welcome englishman 
2018-05-07T19:27:55 < Steffanx> Where is stvn?
2018-05-07T19:28:50 < antto> the night shift gang is gathering
2018-05-07T19:29:07 < antto> what am i still doing here
2018-05-07T19:30:20 < antto> what's the opposite of innovation?
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2018-05-07T19:40:42 < Steffanx> I bet Ultrasauce has a word for that.
2018-05-07T19:40:53 < Ultrasauce> stagnation?
2018-05-07T19:41:52 < Steffanx> But thats just.. no innovation. I expect more something like degeneration
2018-05-07T19:42:20 < Ultrasauce> i have a higher bar for degeneracy than staying on irc late
2018-05-07T19:42:37 < Ultrasauce> except perhaps when blaxter is posting
2018-05-07T19:47:09 < Steffanx> Luckily for you it's not late and he aint here.
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2018-05-07T20:25:57 < aandrew> upgrdman: whereabouts in the world are you?
2018-05-07T20:26:05 < aandrew> englishman's in quebec which I find amusing
2018-05-07T20:26:50 < karlp> upgrdman is socal
2018-05-07T20:26:59 < englishman> nice dox attempt bro
2018-05-07T20:27:09 < karlp> except when he's shipped off to china to fix xrays
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2018-05-07T20:31:04 < aandrew> lol no dox attempt
2018-05-07T20:31:32 < aandrew> his telemetry viewer came up at work today and I'm like "yeah I know that guy"
2018-05-07T20:35:34 < Steffanx> must be California
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2018-05-07T20:40:50 < antto> unnovation?
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2018-05-07T20:42:09 < Steffanx> anttonation.
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2018-05-07T21:05:21  * antto puts pic12f chips in Steffanx's pockets
2018-05-07T21:06:07 < Steffanx> My skirt doesnt have pockets.
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2018-05-07T21:06:39 < antto> what do you mean? where did i just put those.. oh sh*t
2018-05-07T21:07:08 < Steffanx> ;)
2018-05-07T21:12:04 < Cracki> kangaroo
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2018-05-07T21:31:15 < upgrdman> aandrew, ya im so cal
2018-05-07T21:31:34 < upgrdman> my telemetry viewer came up at work?? like they found it randomly? wow cool
2018-05-07T21:32:48 < aandrew> yep 
2018-05-07T21:32:54 < aandrew> it's a pretty nice bit of software
2018-05-07T21:33:01 < aandrew> pity about being java, but beggars can't be choosers. :-)
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2018-05-07T21:41:52 < upgrdman> heh. curious, do you know how they found it?
2018-05-07T21:42:00 < upgrdman> just googled for telemetry or what
2018-05-07T21:42:21 < upgrdman> and ya, i've been toying with the idea of porting it to cpp.
2018-05-07T21:42:26 < Ultrasauce> ceo watches arduino videos all day
2018-05-07T21:42:33 < Steffanx> must have been: tarduino telemtry.
2018-05-07T21:42:39 < Steffanx> hah what Ultrasauce said
2018-05-07T21:42:55 < BrainDamage> they actually have been searching for lewd videos, and yours was suggested under 'related'
2018-05-07T21:42:56 < upgrdman> ya. all of my t.v. videos have arduino in the title for SEO
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2018-05-07T21:46:51 < Steffanx> oh lol, that's not even a joke upgrdman :D
2018-05-07T21:47:01 < upgrdman> mhmm
2018-05-07T21:49:34 < Steffanx> upgrdman, can you do something for me when you make your next video?
2018-05-07T21:49:42 < Steffanx> Can you not start with "Hi everyone" for once: :P
2018-05-07T21:49:49 < upgrdman> ok
2018-05-07T21:49:51 < Steffanx> ty
2018-05-07T21:49:56 < upgrdman> is that annoying or weird or what
2018-05-07T21:50:09 < Steffanx> nah, idk. It seems everyone does that. It made me thing of Dave though.
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2018-05-07T21:50:16 < upgrdman> o ok
2018-05-07T21:50:46 < Steffanx> its just funny when you skip through your vids a bit and then it all starts with that 
2018-05-07T21:50:59 < upgrdman> will prolly release the next version soon-ish. got udp working, and tcp works but sucks, and added some other useful shit too
2018-05-07T21:51:36 < upgrdman> i wonder if i added a paypal donate button to my webpage is anyone would. hope im not "leaving money on the table"
2018-05-07T21:51:58 < upgrdman> guessing typical arduino user is a 12yr old boy so prolly not leaving much on the table
2018-05-07T21:52:04 < Steffanx> Get many visitors there?
2018-05-07T21:52:23 < upgrdman> i'll have to grep my apache logs, but the videos have >50k views combined
2018-05-07T21:52:23 < Steffanx> Arent many tarduino users 30+ yo?
2018-05-07T21:52:24 < aandrew> upgrdman: I can find out how they came across it
2018-05-07T21:52:30 < upgrdman> aandrew, cool that'd be nice
2018-05-07T21:52:33 < aandrew> but he showed me one of your youtube vids
2018-05-07T21:52:46 < aandrew> so I suspect it was something relating to imu loop tuning
2018-05-07T21:52:54 < upgrdman> o
2018-05-07T21:53:15 < upgrdman> ya my PID video "exploded" a couple months ago. its like my 3rd most popular video now
2018-05-07T21:53:18 < Thorn> I need to start breaking out SWO on my boards
2018-05-07T21:53:36 < upgrdman> when i made the PID video i was getting <100views per month on it
2018-05-07T21:53:37 < Steffanx> yes
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2018-05-07T21:54:45 < Steffanx> Hows the 3d printing getting along upgrdman?
2018-05-07T21:54:47 < Thorn> how do I do a board with rounded corners in Altium Disaster
2018-05-07T21:55:02 < upgrdman> Steffanx, sidelined.
2018-05-07T21:55:04 < Thorn> dicktrace had an actual corner radius input
2018-05-07T21:55:12 < aandrew> he needs to start with HEYYYYYYOUTBERS UPGRADEMAN HERE WITH ANOTHER AWESOME VIDEO FOR Y'ALL AND I'M GONNA GET RIGHT TO IT BUT FIRST I NEED YOU TO SMASH THAT SUBSCRIBE BUTTON AND LIKE AND JOIN MY PATREON AND FACEBOOK STUFF TOO" before spinning off into some completely unrelated 15 minute story about your aunt Mary's bunions to get the video length up there for more ads
2018-05-07T21:55:38 < Steffanx> i think he should do a shout out to ##stm32 too
2018-05-07T21:55:43 < aandrew> oh fuck no
2018-05-07T21:55:53 < aandrew> keep the youtube filth out and our own filth in please
2018-05-07T21:55:54 < upgrdman> Steffanx, the little bit of hobby shit i've been doing recently was just wrapping up changes to TelemetryViewer. need to release the next version soon. my dumb ass hinted at udp/tcp support a year ago, and lots of people keep asking for it
2018-05-07T21:56:04 < Steffanx> Ok then just a shout out to aandrew. in case his colleagues watch the videos again
2018-05-07T21:56:09 < aandrew> oh man a nice udp listener would rock
2018-05-07T21:56:27 < upgrdman> aandrew, udp is done and working
2018-05-07T21:56:34 < aandrew> upgrdman: what do you do for a living? was telemetry viewer for work or hobby more?
2018-05-07T21:57:25 < upgrdman> aandrew, im an ee. seriosuly. but tv was done as a hobby and still is a hobby. sometimes i use it at work, but only for unofficial stuff because "real" work requires calibrated tools etc to keep auditors happy
2018-05-07T21:57:36 < aandrew> *nods*
2018-05-07T21:57:54 < aandrew> either way, thank you for writing it. it's a great util
2018-05-07T21:58:00 < upgrdman> :)
2018-05-07T21:58:23 < upgrdman> here's one time i used it at work http://www.farrellf.com/temp/waterfall_dfts.png   was trying to correlate noise between power rails.
2018-05-07T21:58:32 < upgrdman> turned out mostly uncorrelated
2018-05-07T21:58:46 < aandrew> nice
2018-05-07T21:59:00 < aandrew> I've had very little trouble with power supply noise causing me pain
2018-05-07T21:59:24 < aandrew> I mean it's still possible but most regulators these days ahve very good PSRR and with even moderate filtering they're pretty decently quiet
2018-05-07T21:59:52 < aandrew> Thorn: you draw your board shape on mech layer. and tell altium about it. 3d view will do the right thing then
2018-05-07T22:01:13 < upgrdman> ya the ps noise was more of a curiously. it didnt cause me any problems. and noise was actually very low, but DFTs make it looks big
2018-05-07T22:01:19 < Thorn> does it have a 'join lines with an arc' drawing command like autocad
2018-05-07T22:01:20 < upgrdman> curiosity*
2018-05-07T22:01:30 < Thorn> otherwise it will be a major pain
2018-05-07T22:01:33 < invzim> Thorn: press '1', then redefine board shape, shift-space to toggle corner style until you get the rounded one
2018-05-07T22:01:47 < Thorn> oh that is nice
2018-05-07T22:02:06 < Thorn> I've always wondered what that '1' mode was for
2018-05-07T22:03:22 < invzim> when you're done, back to 2, design -> board shape, create primitives from boardshape and make an outline for the keep-out layer
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2018-05-07T22:03:39 < invzim> china houses always bug me for board outline
2018-05-07T22:07:26 < upgrdman> that's what the GKO file it.
2018-05-07T22:07:28 < upgrdman> is*
2018-05-07T22:07:42 < upgrdman> ya they need it, there is no implied board shape otherwise
2018-05-07T22:09:02 < Thorn> except dicktrace can export board outline directly. no need for 'create primitives from board shape' bullshit
2018-05-07T22:09:47 < Steffanx> stop using altium Thorn.
2018-05-07T22:10:22 < Thorn> I need to finish the project which I started in it
2018-05-07T22:10:32 < Thorn> at least
2018-05-07T22:19:10 < aandrew> upgrdman: I just make panels. solves most of the issues right there
2018-05-07T22:19:36 < aandrew> and it also allows me to place the mousebites/tabs where I need them otherwise they almost ALWAYS end up putting one right under a USB connector
2018-05-07T22:23:55 < aandrew> hah
2018-05-07T22:24:16 < aandrew> someone created a pull request that removes some of my comments for more ... professional ones
2018-05-07T22:24:24 < aandrew> - * filter the shit out of the demodulated data
2018-05-07T22:24:28 < aandrew> + * filter the data
2018-05-07T22:26:07 < Thorn> 'demodulated data' is specific, 'data' is not. rejected
2018-05-07T22:33:06 < aandrew> they converted my tabs to spaces too, which I think is the more egregious sin
2018-05-07T22:34:09 < aandrew> https://stedolan.github.io/jq/ ok that's pretty cool
2018-05-07T22:36:37 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzWZ97TUUso
2018-05-07T22:40:15 < englishman> attn qyx 
2018-05-07T22:41:49 < englishman> https://onsemi.secure.force.com/PCN/?pn=AX5243#partlist
2018-05-07T22:41:59 < englishman> AX5243 EOL'd
2018-05-07T22:42:41 < Steffanx> Was that the ic with the weird hidden features?
2018-05-07T22:42:46 < Steffanx> -weird
2018-05-07T22:42:49 < englishman> yeah
2018-05-07T22:42:50 < englishman> super lol
2018-05-07T22:43:03 < englishman> "oh yeah just write this magic number to this registry to unlock all that stuff"
2018-05-07T22:44:16 < Steffanx> :)
2018-05-07T22:48:28 < bitmask> old macbook wiped, ready to sell to gazelle, dont tell them i reflowed it
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2018-05-07T22:52:22 < Steffanx> -_-
2018-05-07T22:52:57 < qyx> englishman: fukit
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2018-05-07T22:53:21 < qyx> did they realize it is semifunctional only?
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2018-05-07T22:57:55 < qyx> what will we use now
2018-05-07T22:58:35 < qyx> there is that "new" ST radio
2018-05-07T23:02:19 < kakimir> hello
2018-05-07T23:02:47 < englishman> esp32 of course
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2018-05-07T23:03:41 < qyx> I meant s2lm or whastever it is
2018-05-07T23:04:09 < qyx> was it a joke
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2018-05-07T23:07:59 < englishman> hello summer kaks
2018-05-07T23:08:26 < kakimir> summer was already
2018-05-07T23:08:31 < kakimir> like yesterday
2018-05-07T23:08:42 < upgrdman> heh. owner of the company just asked me to bypass the safety interlock on some test equipment that produces >70kV. he seemed surprised that i refused. lolwut
2018-05-07T23:08:52 < kakimir> that's it - next is autumn
2018-05-07T23:09:44 < kakimir> upgrdman, typical owner
2018-05-07T23:10:12 < kakimir> they are all the same
2018-05-07T23:10:19 < upgrdman> he's used to how things work at his china company. human have... less value... over there :/
2018-05-07T23:11:07 < upgrdman> when i was in shanghai i noticed that their xray tube testing room's interlock did not actually control power to the multipliers. total wtf.
2018-05-07T23:11:31 < upgrdman> so glad i was born in a first world country
2018-05-07T23:12:37 < upgrdman> also a curious lack of dosimeters
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2018-05-07T23:15:56 < englishman> digikey has one 0402 0.1u 50V 0402 cap in stock
2018-05-07T23:15:59 < englishman> not one line
2018-05-07T23:16:00 < englishman> one CAP
2018-05-07T23:16:09 < englishman> X7R
2018-05-07T23:16:15 < upgrdman> 50v 0402
2018-05-07T23:16:16 < upgrdman> huh
2018-05-07T23:16:30 < englishman> https://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=445-12271-1-ND
2018-05-07T23:16:36 < englishman> its getting dire boys
2018-05-07T23:16:37 < upgrdman> whats creepage on 50v?
2018-05-07T23:17:21 < englishman> what's creepage
2018-05-07T23:17:24 < upgrdman> i wonder if DK literally has a cut-tape single capacitor. that's be funny
2018-05-07T23:17:53 < upgrdman> like sitting on a pedestal or someshit
2018-05-07T23:21:24 < qyx> isnt it about 0.4mm or so
2018-05-07T23:21:56 < qyx> I was using 0805 on a 60V buck
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2018-05-07T23:22:39 < Thorn> englishman: found 0.1µF 0603 16V murata for ~$21.70/reel https://www.elitan.ru/price/item431612
2018-05-07T23:25:22 < englishman> even of that somewhat more common part, digikey has less than 10k left in stock
2018-05-07T23:25:43 < englishman> some coming from a company called "Knowles Syfer"
2018-05-07T23:27:35 < Thorn> has anyone published any research into what's actually going on?
2018-05-07T23:28:03 < Thorn> they didn't simply shut down all production because they didn't like the prices, did they
2018-05-07T23:28:48 < englishman> every manufacturer, across the globe
2018-05-07T23:28:49 < englishman> all at once
2018-05-07T23:29:28 < Thorn> yeah exactly
2018-05-07T23:29:36 < kakimir> are you saying that mlcc are going to run out of stock for good?
2018-05-07T23:30:05 < englishman> i'm going to get rich as fuck when i introduce my goose-grease based dielectric
2018-05-07T23:30:42 < kakimir> what the fuck is going on?
2018-05-07T23:30:49 < kakimir> you just say caps are no more
2018-05-07T23:30:56 < kakimir> nobody tells me why
2018-05-07T23:31:24 < kakimir> can you get them if you pay money?
2018-05-07T23:33:05 < englishman> no
2018-05-07T23:33:11 < englishman> DK says it is increased demand
2018-05-07T23:33:18 < kakimir> the fuck
2018-05-07T23:33:27 < englishman> yageo, avx, samsung, taiyo, all have DK on allocation
2018-05-07T23:33:35 < englishman> and not allowing backorders
2018-05-07T23:33:40 < kakimir> what are they building
2018-05-07T23:33:49 < kakimir> a beast?
2018-05-07T23:35:17 < kakimir> is there anything more about this than irc chats?
2018-05-07T23:38:45 < stvn> Lol
2018-05-07T23:39:03 < stvn> The capacitor Mexican standoff
2018-05-07T23:41:53 < qyx> englishman: tme has 2M of samsung 0402 16V 100n
2018-05-07T23:42:30 < kakimir> mouser has some shiet
2018-05-07T23:43:45 < Thorn> https://www.ttiinc.com/content/ttiinc/en/resources/marketeye/categories/passives/me-zogbi-20180302.html
2018-05-07T23:44:32 < englishman> those common ones are still around
2018-05-07T23:44:35 < englishman> but they also move fast
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2018-05-07T23:46:26 < englishman> 3 cents per cap for a 12" reel
2018-05-07T23:46:27 < englishman> yeah no
2018-05-07T23:46:51 < englishman> $200 reel of 0.1u
2018-05-07T23:49:10 < Steffanx> grreat right?
2018-05-07T23:49:31 < qyx> 1.7c
2018-05-07T23:49:31 < Steffanx> 100nf is over rated anyway
2018-05-07T23:49:38 < englishman> 0603 0.1u 100V is non existant
2018-05-07T23:49:54 < qyx> wtf 100v
2018-05-07T23:50:12 < englishman> test equipment
2018-05-07T23:50:42 < qyx> yes, but I woukld use bigger package for sure
2018-05-07T23:50:48 < englishman> even tme says "Hardly available product"
2018-05-07T23:52:01 < englishman> im looking at 0603 caps on TME and there is only one 0.1u with 2m in stock
2018-05-07T23:52:05 < englishman> a vishay
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2018-05-07T23:59:02 < emeb> What I heard on the capacitor situation is that the big SMT cap mfgs weren't making enough profit on the larger size parts (> 0201) so they shifted production capacity to 0201 and smaller.
2018-05-07T23:59:14 < emeb> This then created a shortage of the larger size parts.
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2018-05-07T23:59:47 < emeb> So prices rise on those until they're profitable again and then the shortage will ease up.
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2018-05-08T00:00:19 < englishman> sounds plausible, there is still a lot of 0201 in stock
2018-05-08T00:00:21 < stvn> Yeah
2018-05-08T00:00:54 < stvn> How do I 0201 though
2018-05-08T00:01:16 < emeb> Some of my clients who are doing production have found that if you search for odd values you can still find 0603 & 0805 caps.
2018-05-08T00:01:19 < Steffanx> Will just order stvn to create 0603 out of 0201 for us.
2018-05-08T00:01:36 < kakimir> time to populate 0402 with 0201
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2018-05-08T00:01:38 < emeb> So for non-critical things like supply bypass, use a 0.12 or 0.15uf
2018-05-08T00:01:42 < kakimir> is it possibles?
2018-05-08T00:02:58 < englishman> 0.1u becomes 0.068u
2018-05-08T00:03:02 < Steffanx> Redo the pcb.
2018-05-08T00:03:16 < stvn> 100n for life
2018-05-08T00:03:30 < emeb> englishman: yeah - just aim a little outside the target and you'll find more stuff.
2018-05-08T00:03:55 < englishman> thing is 8 out of 10 current projects are assembly only
2018-05-08T00:04:26 < stvn> Planes falling out of the sky coz 0.12u
2018-05-08T00:05:00 < emeb> probably not
2018-05-08T00:05:32 < stvn> Exactly
2018-05-08T00:05:33 < kakimir> they probs pay whatever it costs
2018-05-08T00:05:37 < emeb> even for critical filters you can likely find parts on the 10% scale that are "close enough"
2018-05-08T00:05:48 < emeb> or adjust R values to compensate.
2018-05-08T00:05:53 < kakimir> they don't leave such variables
2018-05-08T00:05:58 < kakimir> to their product
2018-05-08T00:06:20 < kakimir> it's all tested and nothing is changed after that
2018-05-08T00:06:34 < emeb> Oh - also, look for odd dielectrics - eg TDK "JB" dielectric is as good as X7R and a lot more available.
2018-05-08T00:07:08 < emeb> difference is that JB only goes down to -25C instead of -55C.
2018-05-08T00:07:17 < kakimir> no good
2018-05-08T00:07:29 < Steffanx> Edison wont go that low, so no issue.
2018-05-08T00:07:37 < kakimir> or it's okay but not a x7r replacement
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2018-05-08T00:08:48 < stvn> Lets go back to THT
2018-05-08T00:08:57 < Steffanx> Im glad i dont have to buy components :)
2018-05-08T00:09:02 < emeb> ceramic disc caps for everyone!
2018-05-08T00:09:23 < emeb> just like the inside of grandma's Zenith!
2018-05-08T00:09:24 < Steffanx> Does englishman do wave soldering?
2018-05-08T00:09:24 < stvn> The audiophiles will go for it
2018-05-08T00:10:06 < stvn> No
2018-05-08T00:10:28 < stvn> Well does anyone?
2018-05-08T00:10:28 < Steffanx> Oh then he better hires you, stvn. You are an expert
2018-05-08T00:10:41 < stvn> Sif
2018-05-08T00:10:55 < emeb> the worlds foremost authority - on anything
2018-05-08T00:11:01 < emeb> vast experience
2018-05-08T00:11:09 < stvn> I’d be the last person on earth to buy a wave soldering rig
2018-05-08T00:11:21 < stvn> emeb are you stoned?
2018-05-08T00:11:27 < antto> such epxereince, much now-how, wow!
2018-05-08T00:11:38 < emeb> consummate professionalism
2018-05-08T00:11:54 < englishman> not automated wave soldering no but i have a solder table and might buy a selective soldering machine
2018-05-08T00:11:58 < emeb> stvn: not stoned. just prone to exaggeration.
2018-05-08T00:12:07 < stvn> I noticed...
2018-05-08T00:12:18 < Steffanx> Cats
2018-05-08T00:12:31 < stvn> That too
2018-05-08T00:13:48 < Steffanx> We do wave soldering at work.
2018-05-08T00:14:12 < stvn> Of course at work
2018-05-08T00:14:14 < emeb> o/
2018-05-08T00:14:19  * emeb waves
2018-05-08T00:14:36 < Streaker> through hole wave or smd wave?
2018-05-08T00:14:49 < Steffanx> Hole.
2018-05-08T00:14:54 < emeb> twss
2018-05-08T00:15:02 < Steffanx> Yes i know
2018-05-08T00:15:24 < stvn> It was fun picking off smd components glued to boards
2018-05-08T00:15:25 < englishman> ReadError: ReadErr 
2018-05-08T00:15:29 < englishman> digikey takes paypal now
2018-05-08T00:15:30 < englishman> dongs: 
2018-05-08T00:15:45 < Steffanx> Foe real?
2018-05-08T00:15:47 < stvn> Wut
2018-05-08T00:15:51 < Steffanx> For.
2018-05-08T00:16:02 < Steffanx> Or only for canada/usa?
2018-05-08T00:16:36 < stvn> Why they do that
2018-05-08T00:17:01 < Steffanx> To gey scammed
2018-05-08T00:17:05 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/2oQM931.png
2018-05-08T00:17:09 < stvn> Ah cool
2018-05-08T00:17:11 < Steffanx> Get. Damnit
2018-05-08T00:17:37 < stvn> Can I pay with bottlecaps
2018-05-08T00:19:37 < antto> buttcoins?
2018-05-08T00:20:21 < stvn> Nop
2018-05-08T00:21:32 < antto> random shaped blobs of hotsnot?
2018-05-08T00:22:24 < stvn> hotsnot ey
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2018-05-08T01:01:25 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/qyNTkHRd/lol.JPG
2018-05-08T01:01:39 < stvn> Wrong1
2018-05-08T01:01:49 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/UaCxIYbp/IMG_1407.PNG
2018-05-08T01:01:53 < stvn> Here
2018-05-08T01:50:05 < karlp> anyonw know if there are any quirks for f7 usb-fs vs f4/f107? I thought it was just "same"
2018-05-08T01:59:01 < bitmask> why does everything I design lately look like a swastika :/
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2018-05-08T03:02:55 < jadew> stvn, looked up that article, lots of retards are arguing on the behalf of the animal
2018-05-08T03:03:00 < jadew> that it shouldn't be put down...
2018-05-08T03:07:34 < jadew> we had an incident here, a couple of years ago, with a stray dog that killed a kid
2018-05-08T03:07:50 < branjb> what did the kid do to the dog?
2018-05-08T03:08:07 < jadew> don't think he did anything, they used to go in packs
2018-05-08T03:08:12 < jadew> and they were very violent
2018-05-08T03:08:39 < jadew> I had to fend them off a couple of times too
2018-05-08T03:10:47 < jadew> thing about animals is that they have acquired tastes
2018-05-08T03:11:46 < jadew> if they eat a human, they have to be eliminated
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2018-05-08T03:18:19 < R0b0t1> Steffanx: What instead of Altium, then?
2018-05-08T03:25:27 < Thorn> Altium Disaster
2018-05-08T03:25:40 < Thorn> why are traces jumping like mad when I try to drag them
2018-05-08T03:25:43 < Thorn> and vias too
2018-05-08T03:26:14 < Thorn> looks like it happens when they're near other traces
2018-05-08T03:31:53 < jadew> https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=X26y_1525671856
2018-05-08T03:32:34 < Thorn> ok it was "hotspot snap"
2018-05-08T03:40:05 < jadew> chinese firmware: https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=aDYRP_1525592988
2018-05-08T03:49:08 < dongs>  < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/2oQM931.png
2018-05-08T03:49:09 < dongs> nice
2018-05-08T03:52:09 < dongs> < Thorn> why are traces jumping like mad when I try to drag them
2018-05-08T03:52:11 < dongs> youre doing it wrong
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2018-05-08T04:17:49 < Thorn> dongs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzWZ97TUUso
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2018-05-08T04:26:25 < dongs> thorn, is there gonna be a dickbutt at the end
2018-05-08T04:29:18 < Thorn> not enough pixels I guess
2018-05-08T04:29:44 < Thorn> should be enough for a dick but that is vulgar
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2018-05-08T04:44:55 < dongs> how the fuck do you measuer distance traveled with accelerometer, i thought it was a joke
2018-05-08T04:45:00 < dongs> but i see it in some jewblox appnote
2018-05-08T04:45:18 < dongs> distance sensing: Linear accelerometers (distance reconstructed from double-integrating acceleration)
2018-05-08T04:46:35 < ds2> v = int(a, t)
2018-05-08T04:46:41 < ds2> x = int(v, t)
2018-05-08T04:48:16 < Thorn> isn't it how inertial navigation works
2018-05-08T04:49:18 < Thorn> you just probably need far better accelerometers than what's available to a m@ker
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2018-05-08T04:57:51 < ds2> oh much much better for any practical distance
2018-05-08T05:01:14 < upgrdman> found dongs   https://i.imgur.com/4ZNYm6F.gifv
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2018-05-08T05:11:44 < dongs> ds2: ?
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2018-05-08T05:23:43 < dongs> https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/application-note/AN3397.pdf
2018-05-08T05:24:53 < Thorn> Chinese brand names are something
2018-05-08T05:24:56 < Thorn> RFsister
2018-05-08T05:25:08 < Thorn> makes SMA connectors
2018-05-08T05:25:10 < dongs> thats kinda hot
2018-05-08T05:28:36 < ds2> dongs: the integration drifts pretty fast for real world stuff
2018-05-08T05:28:53 < ds2> doing basic cal may help
2018-05-08T05:34:42 < aandrew> hm I think I need to buy a VNA
2018-05-08T05:34:56 < aandrew> seem to be getting more into RF shits and am more or less operating blind
2018-05-08T05:35:09 < aandrew> next thing you know I'll be building an EMI chamber in my basement
2018-05-08T05:35:32 < dongs> zyp had some cheapy one he bought from .cz or something that seeme to work
2018-05-08T05:35:37 < dongs> that he used to tune NFC stuff
2018-05-08T05:35:50 < aandrew> zyp: ping
2018-05-08T05:36:02 < aandrew> yeah even used the usual suspects are anywhere from 4k-40k
2018-05-08T05:36:16 < aandrew> 3GHz would be essential to do the 2.4GHz shits
2018-05-08T05:36:57 < dongs> i THINK it was miniVNA
2018-05-08T05:37:04 < aandrew> I was looking at that
2018-05-08T05:37:11 < dongs> http://miniradiosolutions.com/54-2/
2018-05-08T05:37:42 < aandrew> yep
2018-05-08T05:37:47 < aandrew> about 400eur IIRC
2018-05-08T05:38:09 < aandrew> amazing they put it in a plastic box
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2018-05-08T05:43:30 < dongs> Pressing Ctrl + Shift and then Ok in the Run dialog will now launch the application elevated
2018-05-08T05:43:34 < dongs> yesss
2018-05-08T05:43:36 < dongs> thanks microsoft
2018-05-08T05:43:58 < aandrew> isn't there  way to just rightclick -> run elevated?
2018-05-08T05:45:55 < dongs> win->r cmd, ctrl_shift+enter vs win, cmd, rightclick, arrow down, enter
2018-05-08T05:46:03 < dongs> 1st method wins for sure.
2018-05-08T05:46:30 < aandrew> wow 
2018-05-08T05:46:35 < aandrew> and you call opensores convoluted
2018-05-08T05:46:39 < dongs> what
2018-05-08T05:47:18 < aandrew> apple's gone to hiding shit behind alt/option presses which change the button meanings
2018-05-08T05:47:21 < aandrew> idiotic
2018-05-08T05:50:06 < dongs> apple never mattered so thats fine
2018-05-08T05:51:28 < dongs> daym
2018-05-08T05:51:38 < dongs> some chinagirl messaged me LCD prices randomly last night
2018-05-08T05:51:43 < dongs> 27" 4K AUO panel is $97
2018-05-08T05:52:47 < aandrew> holy crap
2018-05-08T05:53:34 < dongs> i mean complete cheap 4K monitor on jewegg is like <$250 these days so I guess thats pretty normal but still
2018-05-08T06:07:24 < englishman> aandrew, i have that miniVNA and it is "good enough"
2018-05-08T06:07:32 < englishman> for the price it cannot be beat
2018-05-08T06:07:41 < englishman> the next step up basically is 15k
2018-05-08T06:07:45 < aandrew> yes, that's the consensus I've seen as well
2018-05-08T06:08:24 < aandrew> englishman: anything I should watch out for with it? what I"ve read is basically "let it warm up and stabilize"
2018-05-08T06:08:36 < englishman> yeah after all it is just tarduino insideTM
2018-05-08T06:08:44 < englishman> but you will do the same with any VNA.
2018-05-08T06:09:15 < englishman> if you are doing 2port, respect the fuck out of max power limit
2018-05-08T06:09:17 < englishman> idk
2018-05-08T06:09:42 < englishman> it just works
2018-05-08T06:10:19 < aandrew> *nods*
2018-05-08T06:10:29 < aandrew> I don't think I have anything that'd even approach its power limit
2018-05-08T06:12:47 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/tU6kd0V.jpg
2018-05-08T06:12:52 < englishman> this is a 2.4g antenna i made
2018-05-08T06:12:56 < englishman> errr
2018-05-08T06:12:57 < englishman> no
2018-05-08T06:13:32 < englishman> but thats a plot from the vna
2018-05-08T06:14:27 < aandrew> fancy
2018-05-08T06:14:39 < aandrew> but yeah if that's 2.4GHz antenna it kind of sucks :-)
2018-05-08T06:14:51 < englishman> aha here
2018-05-08T06:14:51 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/DM5gIlO.jpg
2018-05-08T06:14:58 < englishman> this is a 910MHz antenna vna plot
2018-05-08T06:15:08 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/u6YDUYd.png
2018-05-08T06:15:13 < englishman> and this was the antenna sim in feko
2018-05-08T06:15:40 < englishman> bretty gud
2018-05-08T06:15:55 < aandrew> yeah very nice
2018-05-08T06:17:29 < aandrew> yeah I think I'm gonna pick one up
2018-05-08T06:17:36 < aandrew> then gotta learn how to do this shit
2018-05-08T06:20:09 < bitmask> wow, my main case is saying its gonna take 38 hours to print and thats usually an underestimation
2018-05-08T06:27:37 < englishman> hows your god damn summer aandrew 
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2018-05-08T06:34:11 < aandrew> englishman: not bad. wife put the goddamned aircon on so now I'm freezing in my basement office
2018-05-08T06:34:26 < aandrew> I gotta drywall the wall between me and hte furnace room, that will help a lot
2018-05-08T06:34:40 < englishman> what you need to do
2018-05-08T06:34:49 < englishman> is get your own building
2018-05-08T06:34:58 < aandrew> all the ducts are taped but metal ductwork is gonna suck no matter what
2018-05-08T06:35:02 < englishman> 20x40 quonset hut or the like
2018-05-08T06:35:28 < aandrew> englishman: that's on the plan, I have a 25x20 1.5st workshop in the plans
2018-05-08T06:35:37 < englishman> there you go
2018-05-08T06:35:43 < aandrew> nice drive-in area and office area beside 
2018-05-08T06:35:53 < englishman> physically separate work from home
2018-05-08T06:36:56 < aandrew> yep
2018-05-08T06:37:22 < aandrew> already got the electrical and network and water planned out and appropriate conduits in the ground
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2018-05-08T06:37:36 < aandrew> just need to budget to build the damn thing
2018-05-08T06:37:43 < aandrew> this year is landscaping I guess
2018-05-08T06:37:44 < englishman> it's only money
2018-05-08T06:37:51 < aandrew> 28x25 not 25x20
2018-05-08T06:39:03 < englishman> decent
2018-05-08T06:39:34 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/a/0MYpTLF
2018-05-08T06:39:53 < englishman> here i have shunned concrete, due to mafia connections and huge labour cost
2018-05-08T06:40:07 < aandrew> house isn't exactly like that as that was the original plan before we changed some stuff but placement is about right
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2018-05-08T06:40:10 < englishman> helical piles are the way to go
2018-05-08T06:40:20 < aandrew> helical piles?
2018-05-08T06:40:38 < aandrew> interesting
2018-05-08T06:41:36 < englishman> yeah when i was building this thing, needed 5 supports
2018-05-08T06:41:46 < englishman> took 40 minutes to install, and they go 7' down
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2018-05-08T07:44:32 < dongs> holy shit
2018-05-08T07:44:48 < dongs> win+shift+s
2018-05-08T07:44:54 < dongs> the best hotkey ever
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2018-05-08T07:49:08 < englishman> old
2018-05-08T07:49:50 < dongs> https://www.nextofwindows.com/windows-shift-s-new-way-to-take-screenshots-windows-10-creators-update
2018-05-08T07:49:53 < dongs> oh.
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2018-05-08T07:59:58 < aandrew> what's that do
2018-05-08T08:00:00 < aandrew> oh screenshot
2018-05-08T08:00:23 < dongs> finally i dont have to press winkey/type snip/enter/click new
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2018-05-08T08:13:47 < ohsix> ReadError: https://twitter.com/joegrand/status/993609781016383488
2018-05-08T08:14:12 < ohsix> oof too much slack, wondered why that wasn't shown inline for a hot second
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2018-05-08T10:22:42 < Steffanx> Stvn.
2018-05-08T10:24:49 < Thorn> what is the most common center pin diameter for 5.5mm power connectors? 2.0, 2.1, 2.5mm?
2018-05-08T10:26:46 < dongs> im gonna say 2.1
2018-05-08T10:30:04 < dongs> chinagirl agrees
2018-05-08T10:32:43 < Thorn> ok thanks
2018-05-08T10:32:50 < stvn> Listen here mate
2018-05-08T10:33:08 < stvn> I’m almost out of gear Steffanx
2018-05-08T10:33:34 < Steffanx> What gear? Energy packs?
2018-05-08T10:34:31 < dongs> microwave some lipo cells
2018-05-08T10:35:15 < Steffanx> Want to kill stvn?
2018-05-08T10:35:51 < dongs> it's on the todo list
2018-05-08T10:36:01 < PaulFertser> Shouldn't stupid people be killed for the benefit of the society as a whole?
2018-05-08T10:36:29 < dongs> that would decimate lunix users numbers
2018-05-08T10:36:46 < dongs> i mean from ~10 it would be down to like 1
2018-05-08T10:38:39 < stvn> Lol
2018-05-08T10:39:57 < PaulFertser> If you're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimation_(Roman_army) then you got it wrong. 9 out of 10 remain.
2018-05-08T10:40:20 < dongs> verb
2018-05-08T10:40:20 < dongs> past tense: decimated; past participle: decimated
2018-05-08T10:40:21 < dongs> 1.
2018-05-08T10:40:21 < dongs> kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of.
2018-05-08T10:40:23 < dongs> "the inhabitants of the country had been decimated"
2018-05-08T10:41:05 < stvn> Really depends on the niggeratio
2018-05-08T10:41:24 < PaulFertser> Define "large"
2018-05-08T10:41:49 < PaulFertser> 1/10 is large enough in my book
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2018-05-08T10:56:25 < Hamilton> Are "linker scripts" (to produce ELF) actually written in a scripting language? If not, why are the called "scripts"? might as well be called utility or program...
2018-05-08T10:56:45 < dongs> lunix: everything is a fail
2018-05-08T10:57:22 < Streaker> it's not a utility or a program either...
2018-05-08T10:57:57 < Thorn> Hamilton: afaik it's not a programming language, just a complex config file basically
2018-05-08T10:58:50 < Hamilton> BTW, there isn't any law against x-posting in different channels right?
2018-05-08T10:58:57 < dongs> wut
2018-05-08T10:59:04 < Hamilton> cross-posting
2018-05-08T10:59:45 < Streaker> as long as you don't solicit people to subscribe or like you, you can crosspost
2018-05-08T11:00:03 < dongs> if its the same dumb question like the one about linker scripts
2018-05-08T11:00:03 < Hamilton> Streaker, So why don't they call the compiler, "compiler script"?
2018-05-08T11:00:17 < dongs> and most of embedded/stonertronics channels have overlapping population
2018-05-08T11:00:22 < zyp> the fuck are you on about today?
2018-05-08T11:00:53 < zyp> aandrew, yeah, I got the miniVNA
2018-05-08T11:01:01 < Hamilton> zyp, me? I just wonder the naming of things in embdded
2018-05-08T11:01:15 < dongs> do you always wonder about the shape of your turd before you flush it
2018-05-08T11:01:18 < zyp> aandrew, worked well enough for what I've used it for so far
2018-05-08T11:01:28 < Hamilton> dongs, actually yes
2018-05-08T11:01:34 < dongs> why im not surprised
2018-05-08T11:01:36 < Hamilton> There is also .bss in linker dump
2018-05-08T11:01:42 < Streaker> or poke it with a stick to check the consistency
2018-05-08T11:02:29 < dongs> Hamilton is clearly into dumps
2018-05-08T11:03:23 < Streaker> taking or receiving?
2018-05-08T11:03:30 < Hamilton> There is another question, is linker generally part of the compiler? like does gcc contain its linker?
2018-05-08T11:04:07 < zyp> no, linker is part of binutils
2018-05-08T11:05:12 < zyp> sup?
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2018-05-08T11:06:15 < Steffanx> Innovating \o/
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2018-05-08T11:14:37 < Hamilton> pfff, I'm banned from ##C because of "join flood"
2018-05-08T11:14:55 < Hamilton> But it's reasonable I guess
2018-05-08T11:20:02 < Thorn> segger ozone is highly recommended btw
2018-05-08T11:20:43 < Thorn> quality software
2018-05-08T11:21:40 < dongs> yeah man
2018-05-08T11:21:53 < dongs> im totally glad I purchased a jlink ultra +
2018-05-08T11:22:06 < dongs> they should get paid for making quality software like that
2018-05-08T11:22:14 < dongs> available for free to licensed hw users
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2018-05-08T11:32:42 < dongs> Authenticate and protect your software IP while performing initial programming in production or firmware upgrades in the field (Available in 2018).
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2018-05-08T11:53:48 < kikes> what happens if I pass uint16_t to parameter that is type uint64_t?
2018-05-08T11:53:55 < kikes> nothing bad right?
2018-05-08T11:54:21 < kikes> usually I just cast and not think about it further
2018-05-08T11:55:00 < kikes> now I think if the casting is useless
2018-05-08T11:55:09 < PaulFertser> kikes: if you provide prototype for that function so that the compiler knows it needs to cast to a larger type, that should be fine. In C you'd have that parameter casted automatically, without explicit constructs.
2018-05-08T11:55:33 < kikes> nic
2018-05-08T11:55:38 < kikes> how do you do it?
2018-05-08T11:55:49 < kikes> do you still cast?
2018-05-08T11:55:49 < dongs> do what?
2018-05-08T11:55:51 < dongs> no
2018-05-08T11:56:03 < dongs> static void foo(uint64_t param);
2018-05-08T11:56:09 < dongs> uint16_t junk = 0;
2018-05-08T11:56:14 < dongs> foo(junk); works as expected.
2018-05-08T11:56:36 < dongs> if it was the other way around (passing uint64 into 16, it will warn you
2018-05-08T11:56:40 < kikes> is there any optimizing gains if I let compiler to cast it?
2018-05-08T11:57:00 < kikes> *potential gains
2018-05-08T11:57:10 < kikes> *time to autism this fully
2018-05-08T11:57:22 < PaulFertser> kikes: readability and maintainabilty gains. But no-op in optimising sense.
2018-05-08T11:58:28 < kikes> if I cast it to uint64_t it will warn me if for some reason my parameter is not uint64_t at least
2018-05-08T11:58:36 < kikes> that is the perspective I look at it
2018-05-08T11:58:51 < kikes> parameter of the function prototype
2018-05-08T11:59:24 < kikes> also I see type being passed to function without seeing the prototype
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2018-05-08T12:01:17 < PaulFertser> If you want type safety, you can use C++ and header-only library for "units". Then you won't get altitude mixed with the speed. That would be the real solution.
2018-05-08T12:01:32 < kikes> I don't use c++
2018-05-08T12:01:55 < kikes> I use such compiler flags that tell me everything that can be possibly wrong
2018-05-08T12:02:20 < kikes> I don't plan to use C++
2018-05-08T12:05:38 < dongs> -funroll-loops
2018-05-08T12:05:42 < dongs> -omg-optimized
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2018-05-08T12:07:35 < PaulFertser> kikes: no amount of flags can provide reasonable type-safety in C.
2018-05-08T12:07:52 < kikes> hmm
2018-05-08T12:08:04 < kikes> are you extending word reasonable here
2018-05-08T12:08:15 < kikes> I think C is pretty reasonable
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2018-05-08T12:09:19 < jadew> check this out, my site is getting 50 million + hits per day
2018-05-08T12:09:25 < PaulFertser> kikes: how do you make C produce an error or warning when you're passing altitude instead of speed by mistake? Without runtime cost, of course?
2018-05-08T12:09:33 < dongs> wat
2018-05-08T12:09:52 < dongs> and how would you do taht in shit++
2018-05-08T12:10:27 < kikes> altitude and speed?
2018-05-08T12:10:37 < PaulFertser> dongs: https://github.com/nholthaus/units
2018-05-08T12:10:56 < kikes> are you speaking of physical quantities?
2018-05-08T12:11:03 < PaulFertser> kikes: yes, imagine your function needs to take two arguments. First is altitude, the second is speed. Now how do you make the compiler warn you if you mix the argument order?
2018-05-08T12:11:13 < kikes> hmm
2018-05-08T12:11:26 < kikes> so making a type wont cut it?
2018-05-08T12:11:27 < Streaker> Anything that can be done in C++ can be done in C
2018-05-08T12:11:40 < jadew> but can be done better in C++
2018-05-08T12:11:49 < Streaker> The first C++ compiler was a translator to C
2018-05-08T12:11:59 < veverak> PaulFertser: that's not only reason why that is benefical
2018-05-08T12:12:00 < kikes> so if each type have uint32_t
2018-05-08T12:12:07 < PaulFertser> Streaker: it doesn't prove any point at all.
2018-05-08T12:12:15 < kikes> those can be passed however to the function?
2018-05-08T12:12:26 < kikes> interesting
2018-05-08T12:12:36 < PaulFertser> veverak: of course, just an example from dongs' flying cocks domain.
2018-05-08T12:12:48 < Streaker> You can have altitude and speed as structs with a member of type long. 
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2018-05-08T12:12:58 < kikes> there is no compile time checks that can be done PaulFertser ?
2018-05-08T12:12:58 < PaulFertser> kikes: yes, typedefs in C (and C++) are just type aliases.
2018-05-08T12:13:05 < Streaker> That is exactly what C++ would do internally
2018-05-08T12:13:13 < veverak> PaulFertser: with type safe physical quantities, you also have control over oeprators - /,*,+,-
2018-05-08T12:13:18 < veverak> PaulFertser: given that
2018-05-08T12:13:24 < PaulFertser> veverak: indeed!
2018-05-08T12:13:25 < kikes> I would probs to a debug code for that
2018-05-08T12:13:41 < kikes> and flag different parameters with their own unique code
2018-05-08T12:13:44 < veverak> PaulFertser: you can specify that " Distance / Time = Velocity"
2018-05-08T12:13:47 < veverak> so
2018-05-08T12:13:52 < veverak> if you write bunch of complex math
2018-05-08T12:13:59 < kikes> interesting
2018-05-08T12:14:00 < veverak> this can show you some of the errors that are possible
2018-05-08T12:14:23 < PaulFertser> veverak: fully agreed. And it's all compile-time without any runtime cost.
2018-05-08T12:14:26 < veverak> such as "hmm, you divided 'Distance' by 'Volume', that does not result into 'Velocity'"
2018-05-08T12:14:28 < veverak> or whatever
2018-05-08T12:14:42 < kikes> I use some explicit parameter and variable names
2018-05-08T12:15:08 < kikes> but still.. passing arguments wrong way happens time to time
2018-05-08T12:15:37 < kikes> those are pretty fucky situations to debug
2018-05-08T12:15:41 < veverak> Streaker: you can code same mechanism in C, it's just that the ... 'user experience' of it would suck hard
2018-05-08T12:16:23 < veverak> Streaker: I personally stick to "Any type safety that makes your code too unreadable/hard to use, should be avoided"
2018-05-08T12:16:45 < veverak> kikes: I wrote a lot of physical computations for robotics project
2018-05-08T12:16:57 < veverak> kikes: at the end, I wanted someting to decrease the chance of error
2018-05-08T12:17:09 < veverak> kikes: -> strongly typed quantities, helped a lot
2018-05-08T12:17:20 < kikes> makes sense to use C++ in such projects
2018-05-08T12:17:48 < kikes> i'd still rather write all low level code with c
2018-05-08T12:18:04 < PaulFertser> kikes: doesn't it make sense to use C++ right from the start for any project instead of C? All the additional facilities are basically opt-in and runtime-cost-free.
2018-05-08T12:18:24 < veverak> PaulFertser: that's blind fate
2018-05-08T12:18:28 < kikes> thing is I can't write C++
2018-05-08T12:18:34 < veverak> PaulFertser: I personally believe that C++ is better than C
2018-05-08T12:18:39 < veverak> (more type safety)
2018-05-08T12:18:45 < Streaker> It's easy to say that. In practice C++ code usually ends up severely bloated.
2018-05-08T12:18:58 < veverak> PaulFertser: But only thing that is worse than 'C' is 'bad C++ coder'
2018-05-08T12:19:00 < veverak> like, a lot
2018-05-08T12:19:45 < veverak> so if kikes knows C, but does not now C++, the C is much better option
2018-05-08T12:21:13 < Haohmaru> i'm a bad coder and i'd make a bigger mess if i was stuck with C
2018-05-08T12:21:33 < PaulFertser> Streaker: only if you write it bloated. All the facilities are opt-in.
2018-05-08T12:21:52 < veverak> PaulFertser: most of the C++ coders write it bloated
2018-05-08T12:21:59 < veverak> that argument is True
2018-05-08T12:22:03 < veverak> as Streaker stated "usually ends up"
2018-05-08T12:22:05 < veverak> :)
2018-05-08T12:22:54 < m4t> is anyone familiar with the stm32duino-bootloader (modified maple bootloader)? i'm trying to flash a .bin that comes out to 24612 bytes with dfu-util. it always errors out towards the end. if i pad it to 32kb or 64kb with 0's, it still errors out. however, if i send 64kb of data from /dev/urandom, it succeeds. it's a blue pill STM32F103C8.
2018-05-08T12:23:22 < PaulFertser> veverak: why can't kikes stick only to those features of C++ that are already present in C?
2018-05-08T12:23:24 < m4t> i'll add it seems to error out in the same spot regardless of padding...
2018-05-08T12:23:50 < veverak> PaulFertser: he definetly can
2018-05-08T12:24:04 < m4t> by that i mean, it'd error out at 92% without padding, it errors out at 32% padded to 64kb
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2018-05-08T12:24:50 < PaulFertser> m4t: what if you send 24612 bytes of data from /dev/urandom?
2018-05-08T12:25:31 < m4t> state(8) = dfuMANIFEST-WAIT-RESET, status(0) = No error condition is present
2018-05-08T12:25:34 < m4t> weird right?
2018-05-08T12:27:22 < m4t> Download[======================== ]  96%        23744 bytesdfu-util: Error during download
2018-05-08T12:27:35 < m4t> that's with a transfer size of 1byte so it seems to choke exactly that far in
2018-05-08T12:29:14 < m4t> chokes at 0x5cc0 https://paste.ee/p/6sJUy#JtEfKOlO7RGEytFIkqT16aVh8UEQPyCg
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2018-05-08T12:38:49 < m4t> i think it's before that actually
2018-05-08T12:39:05 < m4t> i'll bisect exactly where it's choking later today, bbl
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2018-05-08T13:44:55 < stvn> linux is great
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2018-05-08T13:49:47 < jadew> not sure if I got to say this last night, but Plebs looks like a promising show
2018-05-08T13:50:26 < jadew> and the main character sounds like richard dawkings
2018-05-08T13:51:50 < tct_> oh my god why are you avoiding me?????
2018-05-08T13:53:45 < stvn> hi tct
2018-05-08T13:54:00 < tct_> hey o/
2018-05-08T13:56:32 < tct_> how are your kids today?
2018-05-08T14:00:31 < stvn> tonight in crt city
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2018-05-08T14:16:54 < Hamilton> tct_, You know each other's kids?
2018-05-08T14:17:17 < karlp> this is the internet, we know everything
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2018-05-08T14:24:37 < dongs> PaulFertser:  built on c++14 with no dependencies
2018-05-08T14:24:39 < dongs> thats hilarious
2018-05-08T14:24:42 < dongs> that IS a dependency
2018-05-08T14:24:50 < dongs> and a showstopper for any serious project
2018-05-08T14:24:56 < dongs> cuyz who the fuck runs beta gnu compilers in production lol
2018-05-08T14:25:02 < zyp> haha
2018-05-08T14:29:16 < zyp> keil claims full C++14 support though
2018-05-08T14:30:10 < stvn> wtf is keil
2018-05-08T14:30:25 < zyp> dunno, must be some beta gnu compiler
2018-05-08T14:30:33 < stvn> mm
2018-05-08T14:30:38 < dongs> zyp, with what, clang version of armcc?
2018-05-08T14:30:57 < zyp> dunno, it says "Arm Compiler 6"
2018-05-08T14:31:45 < Steffanx> Welcome tct_. Do your kids backstab?
2018-05-08T14:32:13 < dongs> link
2018-05-08T14:32:27 < zyp> http://www2.keil.com/mdk5/compiler/6/
2018-05-08T14:32:42 < zyp> oh, yeah, it says clang
2018-05-08T14:32:53 < Steffanx> Lolz. The sores.
2018-05-08T14:35:06 < dongs> code size tables speak for themselevs
2018-05-08T14:35:09 < dongs> arm compiler > *
2018-05-08T14:35:25 < Laurenceb> does superbai hang in here?
2018-05-08T14:35:30 < dongs> superbia?
2018-05-08T14:35:37 < Laurenceb> bai
2018-05-08T14:35:40 < Laurenceb> or something
2018-05-08T14:35:43 < Laurenceb> he was pinging me
2018-05-08T14:35:49 < karlp> lolrence obviously doesn't pay attention to their own surroundings
2018-05-08T14:35:55 < Laurenceb> nope
2018-05-08T14:36:00 < zyp> dongs, well, they claim that clang is more efficient than old armcc
2018-05-08T14:36:25 < zyp> oh, wait
2018-05-08T14:36:37 < Laurenceb> lul someone just tried to pay wurk ukp8M by credit card
2018-05-08T14:36:47 < zyp> it uses -O3 for gcc
2018-05-08T14:37:22 < karlp> lolrence: think of all the points!
2018-05-08T14:37:28 < zyp> -O3 sacrifices size for speed, not a very reasonable option to use for a code size benchmark
2018-05-08T14:37:43 < Laurenceb> GCC looking pretty good
2018-05-08T14:37:50 < Laurenceb> good enough for me (TM)
2018-05-08T14:37:57 < zyp> "The values for gcc were created using the highest optimization, with an emphasis on size."
2018-05-08T14:37:58 < dongs> keil probably wouldn't even build your code
2018-05-08T14:38:00 < dongs> not enough spaces
2018-05-08T14:38:11 < zyp> either they are incompetent or deliberately lying
2018-05-08T14:38:30 < stvn> Laurenceb: where is terry
2018-05-08T14:38:33 < dongs> you should email keil and ask for the project file to try and compile
2018-05-08T14:38:46 < zyp> I don't care all that much
2018-05-08T14:39:04 < Laurenceb> >Keil RTX5 Blinky
2018-05-08T14:39:16 < Laurenceb> surely exists on internets somewhere
2018-05-08T14:39:18 < dongs> ah
2018-05-08T14:39:25 < dongs> Keil RTX5 Blinky on LPCXpresso5411x board with NXP LPCOpen library. C runtime for ArmCC is microlib, for GCC it is newlib-nano.
2018-05-08T14:39:28 < dongs> fineprint
2018-05-08T14:39:31 < dongs> cool
2018-05-08T14:39:32 < dongs> yeah thats in c:\keil\shitsomewhere
2018-05-08T14:39:34 < Laurenceb>  ewww
2018-05-08T14:39:38 < Laurenceb> no wonder its yuuge
2018-05-08T14:39:48 < dongs> jewlib-nano?
2018-05-08T14:39:49 < dongs> or wat
2018-05-08T14:39:55 < dongs> or LPCAids
2018-05-08T14:39:56 < jadew> I think dongs works at keil
2018-05-08T14:39:56 < Laurenceb> probably included gcc printf or some mental shit
2018-05-08T14:40:00 < stvn> lol
2018-05-08T14:40:09 < dongs> what's wrong wiht gcc printDF?
2018-05-08T14:40:13 < dongs> why the fuck would I need to write my own
2018-05-08T14:40:23 < dongs> when there's printf which works with FLOATS in keil microlib
2018-05-08T14:40:33 < dongs> and its SMALLER than your shittty integer-only rprintf
2018-05-08T14:40:58 < Laurenceb> gcc beats my IAR
2018-05-08T14:43:42 < Laurenceb> http://i.magaimg.net/img/3903.jpg the story of Kanye
2018-05-08T14:44:51 < dongs> Functional safety standards such as IEC 61508 and ISO 26262 require developers to justify the usage of compilers and demonstrate confidence in the selected toolchain.
2018-05-08T14:45:03 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-05-08T14:45:11 < dongs> RIP gcc
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2018-05-08T14:45:36 < Laurenceb>  "cuz RMS said so"
2018-05-08T14:46:03 < dongs> heh keil rtx5 link at the end of that page just goes to same page
2018-05-08T14:46:32 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/VaciKxY.png 7 hours in...
2018-05-08T14:48:14 < Steffanx> And then it failed.
2018-05-08T14:48:44 < bitmask> never
2018-05-08T14:48:56 < bitmask> its gonna take half a roll of filament, it better succeed
2018-05-08T14:49:22 < dongs> it already failed when you started
2018-05-08T14:49:47 < jpa-> * you already failed when you started it
2018-05-08T14:49:48 < bitmask> you failed
2018-05-08T14:49:55 < bitmask> boo you beat me
2018-05-08T14:49:58 < dongs> jpa-: correct
2018-05-08T14:50:09 < Laurenceb> it failed cuz its FDM
2018-05-08T14:50:15 < dongs> yes pertty much
2018-05-08T14:50:22 < dongs> and a shitty FDM at that
2018-05-08T14:50:29 < Laurenceb> muh SLS is epin
2018-05-08T14:50:42 < bitmask> fags
2018-05-08T14:50:49 < Laurenceb> light sand then spray with matt black acrylic paint
2018-05-08T14:50:52 < Laurenceb> looks epin
2018-05-08T14:50:59 < stvn> https://vc.gg/img/cianigger.gif
2018-05-08T14:51:01 < Laurenceb> scuff proof too
2018-05-08T14:51:02 < tct_> I have 100% success rate on my Formlabs Form2 SLA printer
2018-05-08T14:51:03 < stvn> that's all
2018-05-08T14:51:03 < tct_> love that thing.
2018-05-08T14:51:10 < bitmask> it will work perfectly, im not printing production parts
2018-05-08T14:51:24 < dongs> haha formlabs.
2018-05-08T14:51:32 < dongs> my pal got v1 and v2 of that shit, and it was nothing but garbage
2018-05-08T14:51:35 < jpa-> not like form2 could print anything that big
2018-05-08T14:51:37 < Laurenceb> tct_: I've had no luck with SLA
2018-05-08T14:51:49 < Laurenceb> parts creep and melt at liek 60C
2018-05-08T14:51:50 < dongs> its collecting dust somewehre in his office
2018-05-08T14:51:52 < dongs> yes
2018-05-08T14:51:55 < zyp> Laurenceb, have you ever had luck with anything?
2018-05-08T14:51:59 < Laurenceb> also disintegrate in sunlight
2018-05-08T14:52:00 < dongs> ha hah ha
2018-05-08T14:52:03 < dongs> maybe with girls?????????????
2018-05-08T14:52:11 < Laurenceb> zyp: I just said, SLS
2018-05-08T14:52:19 < Laurenceb> dongs: thanx for that
2018-05-08T14:52:32 < Laurenceb> only fat Hungarian grrls :(
2018-05-08T14:52:34 < tct_> Laurenceb, then you're doing it wrong. I have some prints that are fine at 250C
2018-05-08T14:52:36 < tct_> Laurenceb, https://support.formlabs.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000015650-Using-High-Temp-Resin
2018-05-08T14:52:47 < Laurenceb> I wish I was a wizard tbh
2018-05-08T14:52:54 < tct_> we all wish that...
2018-05-08T14:53:23 < bitmask> you guys all have really small penises
2018-05-08T14:53:34 < Laurenceb> tct_: but is it UV resistant?
2018-05-08T14:53:35 < jpa-> or with horses
2018-05-08T14:53:36 < tct_> what makes you think so?
2018-05-08T14:53:45 < Laurenceb> my uncle killed his Hungarian gf
2018-05-08T14:53:49 < tct_> Laurenceb, never checked that. All indoor usage. I barely leave the house.
2018-05-08T14:53:50 < jpa-> tct_: i bet he just checked out familyphoto.jpg
2018-05-08T14:53:58 < tct_> jpa-, lol
2018-05-08T14:54:02 < Laurenceb> tct_: imagine my shock
2018-05-08T14:54:18 < bitmask> everything is a pissing contest with you guys, only reason I can think of is you hate yourself for having micro peeny
2018-05-08T14:54:29 < Laurenceb> keek
2018-05-08T14:54:51 < srk> bitmask: you fit perfectly so far! :D
2018-05-08T14:54:53  * Steffanx gives bitmask a 0x00000000000..0 mask
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2018-05-08T14:55:13 < Laurenceb> I didnt know about the Hungarian pot belly meme
2018-05-08T14:55:21 < bitmask> I have a built in |= 0x01 which keeps me alive
2018-05-08T14:55:22 < Steffanx> tct_: where have you been?
2018-05-08T14:55:24 < tct_> bitmask, that's wrong. I just have a company that loves to buy toys
2018-05-08T14:55:25 < Laurenceb> until it was too late
2018-05-08T14:55:30 < tct_> Steffanx, forking. you?
2018-05-08T14:55:36 < Steffanx> Idk
2018-05-08T14:55:46 < zyp> hrm
2018-05-08T14:55:51 < jpa-> bitmask: i have a lot better reasons to hate myself than just a small dick!
2018-05-08T14:55:53 < Steffanx> Just woke up this morning
2018-05-08T14:56:16 < zyp> I was wondering why my code were pulling in a bunch of double math functions
2018-05-08T14:56:17 < Jak_o_Shadows> Ok. Got it back to libopencm3, not unicore-mx. Next week I shall do the callback stuffs
2018-05-08T14:56:19 < tct_> gotta go, take care, folks o/
2018-05-08T14:56:21 < Laurenceb> I should find out what happened to uncles Hungarian gf actually
2018-05-08T14:56:24 < zyp> turns out logf() is using a bunch of double internally
2018-05-08T14:56:25 < zyp> wtf
2018-05-08T14:56:29 < Laurenceb> think she was put in a mass grave
2018-05-08T14:56:46 < Laurenceb> she "fell" down a canyon in Brazil
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2018-05-08T14:57:54 < dongs> zyp, in gcc?
2018-05-08T14:58:13 < Laurenceb> they scrape the canyon out and put the bodies in mass grave
2018-05-08T14:58:20 < zyp> yeah
2018-05-08T14:58:47 < Steffanx> Does keil share the sores of their c lib?
2018-05-08T14:59:15 < zyp> this compiler wanking made me look into code size after I added some logf shit yesterday, code's like 20k now
2018-05-08T14:59:42 < zyp> so I checked where it went, logf() doesn't look so big in itself, but it pulls in a bunch of double shit
2018-05-08T14:59:56 < dongs> rip
2018-05-08T15:00:07 < dongs> better write logf_zyp()
2018-05-08T15:00:08 < dongs> the GNU way
2018-05-08T15:00:48 < zyp> nah, 20k is not a problem
2018-05-08T15:01:13 < bitmask> how does stm32f4 deal with double, is it all converted to float or is double actually done in software and skip the fpu?
2018-05-08T15:01:26 < dongs> http://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=blob;f=sysdeps/ieee754/flt-32/e_logf.c
2018-05-08T15:01:33 < dongs> bitmask: software.
2018-05-08T15:01:37 < bitmask> ouch ok
2018-05-08T15:01:40 < bitmask> good to know 
2018-05-08T15:01:40 < dongs> thats why you have double and float versions of functions.
2018-05-08T15:01:50 < dongs> you can usually see in the map file if double shit gets pulled in
2018-05-08T15:01:51 < Laurenceb> if (__glibc_unlikely 
2018-05-08T15:01:52 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-05-08T15:02:04 < Laurenceb> science https://imgoat.com/uploads/f6ffaa6bb0/111289.png
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2018-05-08T15:03:15 < jpa-> i'd expect zyp to be using the newlib version instead of glibc version
2018-05-08T15:03:24 < dongs> well im too lazy to google for that
2018-05-08T15:03:24 < jpa-> but yeah, something stupid going on
2018-05-08T15:03:26 < dongs> got a link?
2018-05-08T15:03:35 < jpa-> haven't found yet :D
2018-05-08T15:03:39 < dongs> https://github.com/eblot/newlib/blob/master/newlib/libm/common/s_log2.c ?
2018-05-08T15:03:50 < zyp> https://sourceware.org/ml/newlib/2017/msg00917.html <- I'm wondering if my version is before or after this
2018-05-08T15:03:58 < zyp> "In order to achieve this, the algorithm
2018-05-08T15:03:59 < jpa-> newlib is full of crazy wrappers like that
2018-05-08T15:04:00 < zyp> uses double precision arithmetic for accuracy, ..."
2018-05-08T15:04:50 < dongs> https://git.linaro.org/toolchain/newlib.git/commit/?id=7d09d0e26191c1ca66c25dcfe0e62328ce87276f
2018-05-08T15:05:11 < dongs> looks like there was a "oh shit" fix later on
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2018-05-08T15:05:31 < zyp> yeah
2018-05-08T15:05:44 < Steffanx> But does zyp use nano or newlib?
2018-05-08T15:05:48 < Steffanx> -nano
2018-05-08T15:05:52 < zyp> my gcc toolchain is from last fall, so I guess I might have the version in between there
2018-05-08T15:05:53 < dongs> is tehre a difference
2018-05-08T15:05:58 < Steffanx> Sure.
2018-05-08T15:06:10 < zyp> Steffanx, newlib, but I'm not sure newlib-nano would make a difference in this case
2018-05-08T15:06:29 < Steffanx> Unlikely i guess
2018-05-08T15:08:02 < zyp> newlib-nano shaves off 400 bytes elsewhere, not sure where
2018-05-08T15:08:14 < zyp> maybe some of the shit used by nanopb
2018-05-08T15:11:09 < jpa-> shaving 400 bytes off from memcpy() would be quite cool :P
2018-05-08T15:12:05 < zyp> well, idk, I don't have much other calls into libc than that logf()
2018-05-08T15:12:06 < dongs> im trying to find where the "obsolete math" versiosn are
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2018-05-08T15:12:25 < Laurenceb>  2+2=5 is obsolete?
2018-05-08T15:12:57 < zyp> hmm, I have gcc-arm-embedded 2017-q4, that's the latest release
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2018-05-08T15:13:42 < dongs> https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/902995/faster-and-more-accurate-implementation-of-logf-/ haha
2018-05-08T15:13:45 < dongs> zyp, you can offload that to gpu
2018-05-08T15:13:59 < zyp> good idea
2018-05-08T15:14:30 < dongs> what's fmaf
2018-05-08T15:14:56 < dongs> oh
2018-05-08T15:14:59 < dongs> multiply and add thing
2018-05-08T15:15:00 < zyp> muladd, it seems
2018-05-08T15:15:02 < dongs> yeah
2018-05-08T15:15:24 < dongs> mabe you can try using that one instead of GNU version
2018-05-08T15:15:44 < zyp> using what?
2018-05-08T15:15:55 < dongs> port that logf to cortex-m
2018-05-08T15:16:02 < dongs> there's sores in that link
2018-05-08T15:16:12 < zyp> not worth it
2018-05-08T15:16:21 < dongs> surely does for 20k of shit pulled it?
2018-05-08T15:16:23 < dongs> it=in
2018-05-08T15:16:40 < dongs> is it +20 cuz of logf or total firmware is 20k
2018-05-08T15:16:56 < zyp> total firmware
2018-05-08T15:18:08 < Laurenceb> https://gfycat.com/ImpoliteEsteemedHarpseal
2018-05-08T15:18:13 < Laurenceb> death by usb
2018-05-08T15:18:43 < Laurenceb> I should add this feature to my usb devices
2018-05-08T15:18:45 < zyp> hmm, the logf call adds about 2.5k
2018-05-08T15:19:15 < zyp> that's less than I expected
2018-05-08T15:20:55 < dongs> keil logf uses 64 bytes for constdata, and 320bytes for implementation
2018-05-08T15:22:20 < dongs>       Code (inc. data)   RO Data    RW Data    ZI Data      Debug   Library Member Name
2018-05-08T15:22:24 < dongs>        364         44         64          0          0        140   logf.o
2018-05-08T15:22:26 < dongs> 364 is total
2018-05-08T15:22:28 < dongs> ok a little bit more
2018-05-08T15:26:43 < dongs> ok so
2018-05-08T15:26:45 < dongs> shithub pros
2018-05-08T15:26:50 < dongs> i have a branch with stuff im working on
2018-05-08T15:26:55 < dongs> some other faggot is pushing stuff to master
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2018-05-08T15:27:05 < Haohmaru> huehue
2018-05-08T15:27:08 < dongs> knowing how trash git is, i don't want my shit to be too much behind master
2018-05-08T15:27:19 < dongs> how can I apply current master changes into my code
2018-05-08T15:27:26 < Haohmaru> kill that f*gg*t
2018-05-08T15:27:31 < dongs> yeah for sure
2018-05-08T15:27:50 < dongs> im trying real hard here to use git as "distributed" "version" "control"
2018-05-08T15:27:58 < zyp> before or after committing your changes?
2018-05-08T15:28:06 < dongs> either way. i have my own branch.
2018-05-08T15:28:12 < dongs> i have no current changes (they're all in the branch now)
2018-05-08T15:28:39 < zyp> then you probably want to rebase your branch on top of master
2018-05-08T15:28:53 < zyp> i.e. git rebase master
2018-05-08T15:30:07 < dongs> does that work
2018-05-08T15:30:25 < zyp> should
2018-05-08T15:30:38 < dongs> rebase is grayed out
2018-05-08T15:30:51 < zyp> 14:11:10 < jpa-> shaving 400 bytes off from memcpy() would be quite cool :P
2018-05-08T15:30:54 < zyp> guess what
2018-05-08T15:31:46 < jpa-> you found the world's most bloated.. err optimized memcpy
2018-05-08T15:31:53 < zyp> the 418 bytes shaved off consists of 286 bytes in memcpy and 132 bytes in memset :)
2018-05-08T15:32:01 < jpa-> :)
2018-05-08T15:32:33 < dongs> meh
2018-05-08T15:32:35 < dongs> what to do
2018-05-08T15:33:35 < dongs> why is rebase grayed out
2018-05-08T15:33:59 < dongs> Are you sure you want to rebase your current changes on to 'origin/master'?
2018-05-08T15:34:00 < dongs> Make sure your changes have not been pushed to anyone else.
2018-05-08T15:34:08 < dongs> this is if I click rebase on master
2018-05-08T15:34:16 < zyp> that sounds correct
2018-05-08T15:35:17 < zyp> the warning is because rebase rewrites the history of your branch, so all the commits will get new ids
2018-05-08T15:35:26 < dongs> ...
2018-05-08T15:35:32 < zyp> so if other people are working off your branch, you'll fuck it up for them
2018-05-08T15:35:52 < jpa-> you should only rebase before you've pushed, if you've already pushed the changes somewhere you should merge instead
2018-05-08T15:35:52 < dongs> well, it didnt do anything
2018-05-08T15:36:03 < zyp> screenshot
2018-05-08T15:36:09 < karlp> blame your stupid gui then :)
2018-05-08T15:36:16 < dongs> no, im gonna delete this shit
2018-05-08T15:36:19 < dongs> its all fucked
2018-05-08T15:36:47 < dongs> jpa-: what is the difference
2018-05-08T15:36:52 < dongs> ofc ouse i have my changes on my branch pushed
2018-05-08T15:37:00 < Jak_o_Shadows> Just make a new repo online - and have a link to the old one in the readme
2018-05-08T15:37:01 < karlp> you have a branch from master at some oint in the past, friend has pushed new stuff to master.
2018-05-08T15:37:36 < zyp> doesn't matter if you have it pushed or not, the point is just that if you don't have it pushed, nobody else can work off it, so it's impossible to fuck it up for anybody else
2018-05-08T15:37:42 < karlp> git checkout master, git pull, git checkout yourbranch, git rebase master, git checkout master, git merge  yourbranch, git push
2018-05-08T15:37:52 < jpa-> dongs: rebase tries to make stuff look like you always based your changes on the new origin/master; merge admits that "ok, this stuff was based on a different version and i merged it now"
2018-05-08T15:38:38 < zyp> even if you push it, people aren't supposed to branch off temporary working branches, so if they do, they can blame themself
2018-05-08T15:38:52 < dongs> no, the other side has nothing but master
2018-05-08T15:39:07 < dongs> karlp: git rebase master operates on amster branch or yourbranch
2018-05-08T15:39:22 < zyp> your branch
2018-05-08T15:39:23 < dongs> if I choose master i can rebase, if I choose yourbranch its grayed out
2018-05-08T15:39:33 < zyp> uh
2018-05-08T15:39:40 < dongs> https://www.atlassian.com/blog/sourcetree/interactive-rebase-sourcetree
2018-05-08T15:39:41 < zyp> do master have any newer changes at all?
2018-05-08T15:39:46 < dongs> yes
2018-05-08T15:39:56 < dongs> there's 1 thing thats been added since i branched
2018-05-08T15:39:56 < zyp> forget about interactive rebase
2018-05-08T15:40:00 < zyp> that's something else
2018-05-08T15:40:24 < zyp> okay, do you have that change in your local repo?
2018-05-08T15:40:28 < zyp> i.e. have you pulled?
2018-05-08T15:40:33 < dongs> yes
2018-05-08T15:40:42 < dongs> i checked out master, got those changes
2018-05-08T15:40:55 < zyp> then you should be able to check out your own branch and rebase it onto master
2018-05-08T15:41:12 < dongs> i'm at 'checked out your own branch' now
2018-05-08T15:41:27 < dongs> when i right click on it rebase is grayed out tho.
2018-05-08T15:41:51 < zyp> right click on master, then rebase
2018-05-08T15:42:00 < dongs> that does the warning thing
2018-05-08T15:42:09 < zyp> sure, then click ok
2018-05-08T15:42:31 < dongs> yeah, it has now 3 push, 2 pull .
2018-05-08T15:42:33 < dongs> i donno what it did
2018-05-08T15:42:45 < zyp> huh?
2018-05-08T15:42:46 < dongs> there's nothing in uncommitted changes
2018-05-08T15:43:14 < zyp> should you?
2018-05-08T15:43:27 < zyp> I mean, should there be?
2018-05-08T15:43:32 < dongs> yes?
2018-05-08T15:43:45 < dongs> there should be changes or whatever the other dude edited in main/ no?
2018-05-08T15:43:52 < zyp> no
2018-05-08T15:44:00 < zyp> they are committed
2018-05-08T15:44:04 < dongs> wat
2018-05-08T15:44:33 < zyp> https://www.atlassian.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/rebase-diagram-adg3.png <- this is what rebase does
2018-05-08T15:44:45 < dongs> yes, i was on that page
2018-05-08T15:45:24 < dongs> so waht now? there's 3 things to push and 2 to pull
2018-05-08T15:45:34 < dongs> where can i review git trying to fail merging the dudes changes?
2018-05-08T15:45:42 < zyp> a rebase takes all the commits in your branch and applies them on top of the commit you are rebasing on
2018-05-08T15:46:08 < zyp> if you get any merge conflicts, that happens during rebasing
2018-05-08T15:46:18 < zyp> if there's no conflicts, shit just works
2018-05-08T15:46:40 < dongs> oh for fucks sake
2018-05-08T15:46:40 < zyp> idk how sourcetree deals with merge conflict, I've only done it from cli
2018-05-08T15:46:43 < dongs> errors everywehre
2018-05-08T15:46:50 < dongs> cant push, cant pull either (or nothing happens rather)
2018-05-08T15:46:57 < dongs> hint: Updates were rejected because the tip of your current branch is behind
2018-05-08T15:46:57 < dongs> hint: its remote counterpart. Integrate the remote changes (e.g.
2018-05-08T15:46:57 < dongs> hint: 'git pull ...') before pushing again.
2018-05-08T15:46:57 < dongs> hint: See the 'Note about fast-forwards' in 'git push --help' for details.
2018-05-08T15:46:58 < dongs> etc
2018-05-08T15:47:00 < dongs> what
2018-05-08T15:47:25 < zyp> what are you trying to push?
2018-05-08T15:47:26 < dongs> fuck git si absolute shit
2018-05-08T15:47:38 < dongs> zyp, THE FUCKING REBASE SHIT
2018-05-08T15:47:42 < dongs> or whatever teh fuck
2018-05-08T15:48:06 < dongs> error: You have not concluded your merge (MERGE_HEAD exists).
2018-05-08T15:48:06 < dongs> hint: Please, commit your changes before merging.
2018-05-08T15:48:06 < dongs> fatal: Exiting because of unfinished merge.
2018-05-08T15:48:08 < dongs> even pull fails now
2018-05-08T15:48:08 < dongs> fuck
2018-05-08T15:48:15 < dongs> fuck is wrong wiht gity
2018-05-08T15:48:20 < zyp> okay, so you did get a merge conflict
2018-05-08T15:48:26 < dongs> .
2018-05-08T15:48:39 < zyp> again, idk how sourcetree deals with that
2018-05-08T15:48:46 < zyp> badly, sounds like
2018-05-08T15:49:33 < zyp> usually cli git is like "here's a merge conflict, fix your shit then run git rebase --continue"
2018-05-08T15:50:48 < dongs> ok deleted all rebase shit, ready to try again
2018-05-08T15:51:09 < dongs> < karlp> git checkout master, git pull, git checkout yourbranch, git rebase master, git checkout master, git merge yourbranch, git push
2018-05-08T15:51:13 < dongs> trying this
2018-05-08T15:51:19 < Steffanx> Is it rage o'clock?
2018-05-08T15:51:36 < Steffanx> Clock must have stopped on that time.
2018-05-08T15:51:52 < zyp> have fun
2018-05-08T15:52:15 < zyp> expect the same conflict to show up again on the fourth command there
2018-05-08T15:52:20 < dongs> doees the last part merge my branch into master
2018-05-08T15:52:23 < dongs> i don't want it merged yet
2018-05-08T15:52:32 < zyp> yeah, skip that
2018-05-08T15:52:49 < dongs> < karlp> git checkout master, git pull, git checkout yourbranch, git rebase master, git checkout master < im now here
2018-05-08T15:53:06 < zyp> are you?
2018-05-08T15:53:11 < dongs> yes
2018-05-08T15:53:19 < zyp> it rebased without conflicts?
2018-05-08T15:53:21 < dongs> git rebase master printed some shit, rewinding, applying
2018-05-08T15:53:23 < dongs> yes ? i ugess
2018-05-08T15:53:35 < zyp> okay, then you should be done
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2018-05-08T15:53:44 < dongs> nope, there's 2 changes to push and 3 to pull
2018-05-08T15:53:47 < dongs> im back where i astrted
2018-05-08T15:53:59 < zyp> what do you mean by changes to push and to pull?
2018-05-08T15:54:04 < zyp> you mean lines added/deleted?
2018-05-08T15:54:15 < dongs> Switched to branch 'flashfs'
2018-05-08T15:54:15 < dongs> Your branch and 'origin/flashfs' have diverged,
2018-05-08T15:54:15 < dongs> and have 3 and 2 different commits each, respectively. (use "git pull" to merge the remote branch into yours)
2018-05-08T15:54:21 < zyp> ah
2018-05-08T15:54:26 < zyp> flashfs is your branch?
2018-05-08T15:54:29 < dongs> yes
2018-05-08T15:54:33 < zyp> git push --force
2018-05-08T15:54:36 < dongs> . why
2018-05-08T15:55:13 < zyp> because rebase rewrites the history of the branch, so your local branch and the remote branch doesn't share a common parent anymore
2018-05-08T15:55:58 < zyp> force-pushing a branch is equivalent to deleting the remote branch and then pushing your local branch
2018-05-08T15:56:35 < dongs> should i not do what shithub recommends in that eror message?
2018-05-08T15:56:39 < karlp> ^ what he said, you're all fine.
2018-05-08T15:56:43 < dongs> why doesn't it recommend forse-push shit whatever
2018-05-08T15:56:43 < zyp> what do they recommend?
2018-05-08T15:56:48 < karlp> are you trying to keep you rbranch up to date with master?
2018-05-08T15:56:53 < dongs>  < dongs> Your branch and 'origin/flashfs' have diverged,
2018-05-08T15:56:54 < dongs>  < dongs> and have 3 and 2 different commits each, respectively. (use "git pull" to merge the remote branch into yours)
2018-05-08T15:56:55 < karlp> or are you trying to merge your shit with theirs and push?
2018-05-08T15:56:57 < dongs> ^ this
2018-05-08T15:57:00 < dongs> karlp: the former
2018-05-08T15:57:02 < dongs> keep my shit up to date
2018-05-08T15:57:10 < karlp> just push -f yourbranch
2018-05-08T15:57:12 < dongs> since ive never had a successful git merge of anything ever
2018-05-08T15:57:21 < Hamilton> ##tm4c
2018-05-08T15:57:26 < Hamilton> lolz
2018-05-08T15:57:29 < karlp> you brough your changes uptodate with upstream's master via your pull and rebase,
2018-05-08T15:57:46 < karlp> the remote yourbranch is now obsolete, push -f your new one 
2018-05-08T15:58:05 < zyp> dongs, normally push only adds to a branch, push -f instead replaces it
2018-05-08T15:58:18 < dongs> ..
2018-05-08T15:58:20 < englishman> sorestree conflict resolution is always done in an external tool btw
2018-05-08T15:58:21 < dongs> it doesnt show it as a branch anymore
2018-05-08T15:58:27 < dongs> it became linear shit again
2018-05-08T15:58:30 < dongs> for fucks sake
2018-05-08T15:58:32 < karlp> yes, because you rebased it.
2018-05-08T15:58:33 < dongs> why is this shit so fucking retarded
2018-05-08T15:58:35 < zyp> that's the fucking point
2018-05-08T15:58:36 < dongs> rewhat'd it
2018-05-08T15:58:37 < karlp> it's ok, your branch is still a brnach
2018-05-08T15:58:53 < karlp> your branchpoint is now the tip of the master, so it draws a straight line instead of a brnach.
2018-05-08T15:59:31 < karlp> if you want to actually merge your code with theirs, and update their master, you're now in a perfect positoin.
2018-05-08T15:59:31 < dongs> and people wonder how lunixfags get anything done
2018-05-08T15:59:40 < karlp> git checkout master, git merge yourbrnach, git push.
2018-05-08T16:00:02 < karlp> then your changes are upstream, and you're finished with it.
2018-05-08T16:00:06 < karlp> someone elses problem now.
2018-05-08T16:00:11 < zyp> the whole point of rebasing is to move stuff around to keep a neat linear history
2018-05-08T16:00:51 < englishman> i know what you guys are describing because i use git, but the words you use to describe it are so confusing
2018-05-08T16:00:57 < zyp> if you instead prefer to merge the master changes into your branch without rebasing it, you can do so, but then you end up with shit looking like this: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/IRsAD.png
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2018-05-08T16:01:11 < karlp> well, dong's is describing screenshots and things being gray.
2018-05-08T16:01:18 < karlp> but yeah, I get your point.
2018-05-08T16:01:48 < englishman> yes, because with git the logical solution is never the correct one
2018-05-08T16:02:12 < karlp> it's better than any alternatives I've tried.
2018-05-08T16:02:20 < zyp> have you tried hg?
2018-05-08T16:02:21 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/Xkj9HqX.png year and a half of working on this project
2018-05-08T16:02:31 < englishman> also that branch history that zyp doesnt like, looks very useful and historically accurate
2018-05-08T16:02:34 < karlp> not for years, but it was mostly ~same but with different commands
2018-05-08T16:02:43 < karlp> englishman: and some people prefer merge commits for that reason,
2018-05-08T16:03:12 < kikes> my china guy confirms caps
2018-05-08T16:03:17 < kikes> also resistors
2018-05-08T16:03:23 < kikes> 500% price increase
2018-05-08T16:03:24 < karlp> what, you doubted us?
2018-05-08T16:03:33 < zyp> merge commits is a pain for stuff like bisecting
2018-05-08T16:04:00 < karlp> they're only useful for when the other branches were real publich branches like other teams
2018-05-08T16:04:09 < karlp> if it's just your own little feature work, fuck em, rebase that shit
2018-05-08T16:05:17 < jpa-> yeah, i merge big stuff, rebase small stuff
2018-05-08T16:05:33 < jpa-> and always try to rebase when pulling
2018-05-08T16:08:12 < Haohmaru> [16:02] <dongs> https://i.imgur.com/Xkj9HqX.png year and a half of working on this project
2018-05-08T16:08:36 < Haohmaru> if your average boss sees this, he'll think "well, that must have been easy"
2018-05-08T16:08:57 < BrainDamage> show the diff of changes
2018-05-08T16:09:24 < karlp> Haohmaru: your average boss is a moron then
2018-05-08T16:09:25 < dongs> my point was that its impossible to use git for anything but the most basic linear use-by-one-person-at-a-time thing
2018-05-08T16:09:40 < dongs> anytime i try to do something more advanced it breaks
2018-05-08T16:10:00 < zyp> haha
2018-05-08T16:10:10 < Haohmaru> karlp don't say that out loud pls ;P~
2018-05-08T16:13:43 < zyp> dongs, git works just fine, but it's just a tool to automate handling patches
2018-05-08T16:14:11 < zyp> somebody still needs to resolve merge conflicts
2018-05-08T16:24:26 < zyp> hmm
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2018-05-08T16:27:26 < zyp> I'd like a temperature sensor circuit that can take both thermistors and RTDs (pt100) with the same circuit
2018-05-08T16:28:09 < zyp> I figure it should be doable with some instrumentation amp/ADC shit with a PGA
2018-05-08T16:29:55 < zyp> I found LTC2983, which according to datasheet can do that, but it's also massively overkill for my application
2018-05-08T16:29:59 < zyp> also $$$$
2018-05-08T16:30:19 < karlp> why  bother trying to do both?
2018-05-08T16:30:27 < karlp> are not rtds better in every way these days?
2018-05-08T16:30:56 < zyp> so either can be plugged in
2018-05-08T16:34:44 < zyp> most 3d printer shit is using thermistors because they are cheap, but some highend stuff are using RTDs because they are more accurate and have higher max temps
2018-05-08T16:35:53 < zyp> I'd like to design my shit to be compatible with RTDs without adapters and shit, without sacrificing compatibility with thermistors
2018-05-08T16:36:46 < karlp> I was under the impression rtds were cheap these days too.
2018-05-08T16:37:15  * karlp shrugs I would make separate ones, I wouldn't even try
2018-05-08T16:37:21 < zyp> probably, but that doesn't change the fact that most 3d printer shit is using thermistors
2018-05-08T16:39:42 < karlp> doesn't mean yo uhave to support them :)
2018-05-08T16:40:36 < zyp> ADS1248 could have worked but the internal current source only goes down to 50uA, and that's too much for a 100k NTC
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2018-05-08T16:49:12 < karlp> not in series with another 100k....
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2018-05-08T16:58:03 < zyp> I'm not worried about cable compensation and all that stuff, the board that does the measurement will be located close to the sensor itself
2018-05-08T16:58:08 < zyp> cable will be a few cm long
2018-05-08T17:01:12 < dongs> im lazy to gogole a neat debuglog() thing that i can ifdef
2018-05-08T17:01:14 < dongs> anyoen got one i can steal
2018-05-08T17:01:23 < dongs> i wanna fprintf(stderr stuff or nothing if release
2018-05-08T17:01:32 < dongs> i think i need varargs #define support or something
2018-05-08T17:01:39 < dongs> #define cocks(...?) or someshit
2018-05-08T17:02:50 < karlp> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/blob/master/tests/gadget-zero/main-efm32hg309-generic.c#L30-L36
2018-05-08T17:03:03 < karlp> same in the header of all of them there, if you're afraid of the efm32 in the filename
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2018-05-08T17:03:28 < dongs> ya thats the one
2018-05-08T17:03:29 < dongs> thansk
2018-05-08T17:03:31 < dongs> stealing
2018-05-08T17:03:39 < dongs> hope that is portable enough for keil
2018-05-08T17:03:39 < karlp> yw
2018-05-08T17:03:47 < karlp> keil's problem if it's not.
2018-05-08T17:04:02 < emeb> Only thing to watch out for is if the debuglog() stuff alters timing / control flow.
2018-05-08T17:04:20 < karlp> nothing new there :)
2018-05-08T17:04:21 < emeb> Had a buddy who did something like that - everything worked great while debuglog() was enabled.
2018-05-08T17:04:25 < karlp> hehe
2018-05-08T17:04:36 < emeb> then he turned it off and it asploded.
2018-05-08T17:04:50 < karlp> in most of normally it's the other way around
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2018-05-08T17:04:58 < emeb> right
2018-05-08T17:04:59 < karlp> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/blob/master/tests/shared/trace_stdio.c is where it normally redirects to swo.
2018-05-08T17:05:26 < dekar> Isn't Keil just llvm/clang these days?
2018-05-08T17:05:46 < emeb> I just leave my debug port enabled in release code :P
2018-05-08T17:05:57  * karlp too
2018-05-08T17:06:16 < dongs> karlp: yea thats exactly what i have
2018-05-08T17:06:19 < karlp> colleague was "what's this debug code for here, I want to get rid of it for performance"
2018-05-08T17:06:21 < dongs> except i have other output for stdout, etc
2018-05-08T17:06:25 < emeb> if the end users want to hook up a serial port and see the dirty secrets that's their business.
2018-05-08T17:06:34 < dongs> so i just have a putc()? or whatever thing that senrds to SWO for stderr and other channels for stdout
2018-05-08T17:06:41 < karlp> "are you having perforamnce problems?" "umm, no,, I guess...." "do you want to be able to debug?"
2018-05-08T17:07:06 < emeb> right. KISS
2018-05-08T17:08:30 < dekar> Our product also managed to fill up a 2GB log partition on the SD within a few days with full debug logging active. :/
2018-05-08T17:08:49 < emeb> *nod*
2018-05-08T17:09:03 < emeb> but that's saving to file not just spewing to USART as I do.
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2018-05-08T17:49:00 < dongs> to start SPI DMA read, i have to start both rx and tx channels?
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2018-05-08T18:05:04 < emeb> hard to say. I've got just one app where I use SPI DMA for reading and in that case I need TX too so I do have both running.
2018-05-08T18:05:42 < dongs> i have some old code where im starting up both
2018-05-08T18:05:51 < dongs> and TX dma is going without memory_incrememt
2018-05-08T18:05:54 < dongs> just looping over one byte
2018-05-08T18:05:58 < emeb> ya
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2018-05-08T18:06:24 < emeb> if you're SPI master then you need to do TX just to generate clocks IIRC
2018-05-08T18:06:47 < emeb> SPI slave can probably RX  w/o TX tho
2018-05-08T18:07:48 < karlp> stack overflow for teams?
2018-05-08T18:07:59 < karlp> how many people must you have in your company to need something like SO internally?
2018-05-08T18:08:05 < dongs> haha
2018-05-08T18:08:22 < dongs> so a place for people to asj dumb questiosn to each other?
2018-05-08T18:08:22 < karlp> even when I was at a big company I can't think of SO being what I wanted.
2018-05-08T18:08:33 < dongs> "halp how do I life"
2018-05-08T18:08:37 < Laurenceb> I've always enabled both channels
2018-05-08T18:08:42 < dongs> <friendly pal links to wikihow>
2018-05-08T18:08:49 < Laurenceb> but set up the unused direction to do nothing
2018-05-08T18:08:58 < dongs> 'do nothing'?
2018-05-08T18:09:18 < Laurenceb> send data with no memory incriment from address loaded with 0x00 or whatever
2018-05-08T18:09:24 < dongs> yeah, right
2018-05-08T18:09:28 < dongs> thats what im about to do
2018-05-08T18:09:37 < dongs> i gotta flip that peripheral increment bit tho
2018-05-08T18:09:39 < dongs> fucking hell
2018-05-08T18:09:42 < dongs> stdperiph makes it hard
2018-05-08T18:09:59 < dekar> We have a TX only application and only use one channel.
2018-05-08T18:10:12 < emeb> yep
2018-05-08T18:10:18 < dongs> tx only is fine yeah
2018-05-08T18:10:20 < dongs> i already have that working
2018-05-08T18:10:22 < emeb> but for RX you need TX to generate clocks
2018-05-08T18:10:24 < dongs> its the rx part im doing now
2018-05-08T18:16:03 < emeb> dongs: tried those timing mods you suggested on some known-bad ILI9341 at customer's location. Didn't seem to help them so whatever's wrong must be something else.
2018-05-08T18:16:30 < emeb> they're sending some to me to play with - try some other stuff to see what's up.
2018-05-08T18:16:31 < aandrew> karlp: it could just be that you want a SO experience but private
2018-05-08T18:16:47 < dongs> emeb: hmmkay.
2018-05-08T18:16:52 < karlp> well yes, getting that in a private sphere requires a lot of people in your sphere
2018-05-08T18:19:52 < emeb> I could see large companies w/ lots of IP & security concerns liking something like that.
2018-05-08T18:20:29 < karlp> it just seems like something very specific, not something you want to spam all SO users with :)
2018-05-08T18:20:39 < emeb> "The first rule of $BIGCORP is don't talk about $BIGCORP...
2018-05-08T18:20:58 < englishman> unless you talk about it on stackoverflow
2018-05-08T18:21:00 < aandrew> I have a personal gnu social instance running on my server
2018-05-08T18:21:09 < aandrew> I use it as a personal mental dbus of sorts
2018-05-08T18:21:18 < aandrew> I dump all kinds of shit in there I want to keep track of and I can search it quickly
2018-05-08T18:21:37 < aandrew> the end goal is to have a bunch of scripts/daemons listening to the stream and using NLP to pick out interesting things for that particular script or agent
2018-05-08T18:21:52 < aandrew> shopping lists, timesheets, interesting URLs for projects, etc. etc.
2018-05-08T18:22:03 < aandrew> I haven't got to that part yet so right now it's just a dump for my mental state from day to day
2018-05-08T18:22:35 < emeb> smart diary
2018-05-08T18:23:10 < aandrew> kind of
2018-05-08T18:23:29 < karlp> NLP?
2018-05-08T18:23:33 < aandrew> I prefer paper but you can't search it, it's only in one location etc
2018-05-08T18:23:46 < aandrew> this I can use the web client or phone client or xmpp or whatever to interact with it so it's flexible
2018-05-08T18:23:51 < aandrew> natural language processing
2018-05-08T18:24:07 < emeb> In a few years Apple/Google/Amazon will ad that feature to their in-home appliances and Siri will track your day-by-day for you.
2018-05-08T18:24:23 < emeb> Then the NSA will know even more about you.
2018-05-08T18:24:24 < aandrew> basically the script/agent tries to infer the meaning of the content rather than me having to tokenize it and say TIMESHEET PROJ1234 0800 1400 did blah
2018-05-08T18:25:14 < aandrew> NLP will see "proj1234 did shit 8a 4p" and the agent that does timesheets will say "Hm that particular tweet looks like a timesheet entry" and add it to that project's log
2018-05-08T18:25:32 < emeb> Every minute of your life will be logged... "aandrew spent 4 hours staring at internet pr0n today..."
2018-05-08T18:25:55 < aandrew> heh
2018-05-08T18:26:01 < aandrew> I do have an alexa dot here for a project
2018-05-08T18:26:08 < Haohmaru> 03:57 looking for the right video
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2018-05-08T18:26:09 < aandrew> it's kind of interesting but it's unplugged when I'm not using it
2018-05-08T18:26:29 < emeb> I'd keep a loaded gun handy
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2018-05-08T18:37:02 < englishman> guns are banned in his country
2018-05-08T18:37:13 < kikes> laurenceb
2018-05-08T18:37:13 < englishman> because some muslims complained they are scary
2018-05-08T18:37:30 < invzim> I head they're about to ban knives too :)
2018-05-08T18:37:33 < invzim> heard
2018-05-08T18:37:43 < englishman> yes in fact folding knives were banned last month
2018-05-08T18:37:44 < kikes> only big blades allowed
2018-05-08T18:38:09 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-05-08T18:38:28 < Laurenceb> its rage inducing, I got b& from buying scalpel blades from farnell
2018-05-08T18:38:56 < BrainDamage> To be fair, you're likely on every blacklist in existance.
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2018-05-08T18:48:03 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/Ss0br3FG
2018-05-08T18:49:03 < dongs> whats the funny part
2018-05-08T18:49:10 < dongs> Laurence/b/ blogging his life experiences?
2018-05-08T18:49:15 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-05-08T18:49:32 < Laurenceb> wizards failing at getting laid
2018-05-08T18:49:42 < dongs> the fuck is a wizard
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2018-05-08T18:51:42 < Hamilton> dongs, I guess 30 year virgin?
2018-05-08T18:51:59  * aandrew puts on his robe and wizard hat
2018-05-08T18:54:10 < Hamilton> Perhaps Steffanx is excited today because of POTUS's speech at 2 P.M. local
2018-05-08T18:54:27 < Steffanx> Fuck the potus
2018-05-08T18:54:34 < Hamilton> lol
2018-05-08T18:54:54 < Steffanx> It will affect you, right?
2018-05-08T18:55:11 < Hamilton> Steffanx, we are so screwed it doesn't even matter
2018-05-08T18:55:28 < Hamilton> But me personally, I don't think so
2018-05-08T18:56:02 < Hamilton> But dongs Steffanx you guys are still online ...Are you like always connected to IRC?
2018-05-08T18:56:17 < Hamilton> I mean what kind of a hw/client you use to stay online all these time
2018-05-08T18:56:41 < karlp> I have a VPS in the cloud somewhere...
2018-05-08T18:56:47 < dongs> lol
2018-05-08T18:57:00 < Laurenceb> I put on my gas mask and nuclear fallout suit...
2018-05-08T18:57:16  * Laurenceb prepares for the Trumpening
2018-05-08T18:57:58 < Hamilton> karlp, And you are typing this on a laptop or phone?
2018-05-08T18:58:00 < Steffanx> I run irc make:r style. On an rpi
2018-05-08T18:58:09 < Steffanx> And a phone client
2018-05-08T18:58:17 < Hamilton> Aha, that explains it
2018-05-08T18:58:18 < BrainDamage> all you need is a bouncer
2018-05-08T18:58:31 < Hamilton> Bouncer is one thing, the actual hw is another
2018-05-08T18:58:35 < dongs> ok spi dma shit sorted out
2018-05-08T18:58:44 < Hamilton> I thought you guys would never AFK
2018-05-08T18:58:44 < dongs> and made it fit into my failureOS task framework
2018-05-08T19:01:51 < Laurenceb> Hamilton: never afk, but sometimes only one hand free...
2018-05-08T19:02:48 < Hamilton> Steffanx, Is there a channel for nordic SOCs also?
2018-05-08T19:03:03 < dongs> we've talked about them in here
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2018-05-08T19:06:23 < englishman> CTCP REPLY mIRC v3.92
2018-05-08T19:06:55 < karlp> we are never afk.
2018-05-08T19:07:04 < karlp> we are anonyfk
2018-05-08T19:07:22 < aandrew> I don't know of a nordic chan but nordic's got their own devzone shit
2018-05-08T19:07:35 < dongs> just renewed murderfs.com
2018-05-08T19:07:50 < englishman> true fact: no swede has ever been in ##stm32 for any reason ever
2018-05-08T19:07:52 < karlp> I'm typng on my laptop, if I'm somewhere whwere I only have my phone, I'm not normally all that concnerd with irc
2018-05-08T19:08:00 < karlp> englishman: yeah, I've always found that a bit weird.
2018-05-08T19:08:01 < dongs> yes
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2018-05-08T19:08:32 < Laurenceb> >Sweden
2018-05-08T19:08:39 < karlp> tho there was that other palsson nutter, stealing my name I think they were swedish
2018-05-08T19:08:56 < Laurenceb> https://www.google.com/search?biw=1429&bih=1004&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=i8vxWo3lNNSsgQaTvYuoDA&q=sweden+memes&oq=sweden+memes&gs_l=img.3..0j0i5i30k1.3314.4267.0.4382.6.6.0.0.0.0.82.334.6.6.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.6.334...0i67k1j0i8i30k1.0.6HuRUhbnZHA
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2018-05-08T19:11:11 < dongs> https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/report-chinese-actors-steal-code-signing-certificates-a-10980 ha ha ha
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2018-05-08T19:12:26 < Steffanx> Do you want me to bust that myth, englishman ?
2018-05-08T19:12:32 < Thorn> <dongs>	to start SPI DMA read, i have to start both rx and tx channels?
2018-05-08T19:12:48 < Thorn> this is exactly what I found out this weekend lol
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2018-05-08T19:12:54 < dongs> Thorn: apparently the answer is yes cuz thats what im doing now and it works
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2018-05-08T19:14:31 < Thorn> I had a polled tx ; polled rx ; { while not done: polled tx ; dma rx } sequence and I couldn't use the TX DMA channel because of conflict
2018-05-08T19:15:30 < Thorn> guess what, it was hanging on polled tx in the 2nd iteration of the loop, waiting for RXNE to be set. apparently the RX DMA was stealing everything
2018-05-08T19:15:45 < Thorn> because previous DMA RX never received any bytes
2018-05-08T19:16:28 < dongs> hmm
2018-05-08T19:16:40 < dongs> my master and origin/master are still separated
2018-05-08T19:16:46 < dongs> even tho i pulled chnages or something
2018-05-08T19:16:47 < dongs> the fuck
2018-05-08T19:17:10 < Thorn> google git remote set track origin
2018-05-08T19:17:18 < Thorn> or something like that
2018-05-08T19:17:38 < srk> git branch --set-upstream-to
2018-05-08T19:19:04 < srk> Hamilton: you can use bouncer like ZNC to connect to server on your behalf
2018-05-08T19:20:44 < Ecco> Hey guys, have you ever used the ICRST and DCRST registers
2018-05-08T19:20:52 < Ecco> The datasheet is, well, succint to say the least
2018-05-08T19:21:10 < Ecco> It says those registers can only be written to if the I or D cache are off. So far, so good
2018-05-08T19:21:27 < Ecco> but what I'm not getting is *when* is the cache reset?
2018-05-08T19:21:43 < Ecco> As long as the bit is set? Or just when the bit is transitionned from 0 to 1?
2018-05-08T19:22:17 < Ecco> Also, can I just do two consective writes (0->1 and then 1->0) to flush the cache? Shouldn't I wait after something?
2018-05-08T19:22:49 < dongs> ecco, teh fuck what
2018-05-08T19:24:28 < Ecco> F412, Flash access control register (FLASH_ACR)
2018-05-08T19:24:54 < Ecco> I'd like to force a cache flush
2018-05-08T19:25:01 < karlp> are you sure you're not just looking for dsb or something?
2018-05-08T19:25:12 < dongs> ya rly
2018-05-08T19:25:17 < karlp> you sound like you're overthinking things again
2018-05-08T19:25:28 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dcnunr7W4AI9Rev.jpg retweet
2018-05-08T19:26:15 < Ecco> Well, the doc says to karlp
2018-05-08T19:26:26 < Ecco> "If an erase operation in Flash memory also concerns data in the data or instruction cache, you have to make sure that these data are rewritten before they are accessed during code execution. If this cannot be done safely, it is recommended to flush the caches by setting the DCRST and ICRST bits in the FLASH_CR register."
2018-05-08T19:26:37 < Ecco> Which is exactly the case I'm into
2018-05-08T19:27:05 < Ecco> So question is, I set those bits, it works, yay. Now when am I supposed to turn them back off?
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2018-05-08T19:28:20 < dongs> bedtime
2018-05-08T19:28:44 < Ecco> :-D
2018-05-08T19:28:48 < Ecco> Seriously though :)
2018-05-08T19:30:16 < karlp> so what you're saying is your reflashing your code and data space, and you want to keep running on the fly?
2018-05-08T19:30:29 < karlp> sure, you might actually have a legitimate need to flush caches.
2018-05-08T19:31:22 < englishman> 4 out of 5 arrow packages are out for delivery
2018-05-08T19:31:33 < englishman> the 5th was held by customs due to improper documentation
2018-05-08T19:31:38 < englishman> they are all from the same web order
2018-05-08T19:31:40 < englishman> fucking arrow
2018-05-08T19:31:58 < englishman> also i chose fedex and they shipped ups AGAIN
2018-05-08T19:34:54 < Steffanx> Arrow. Almost forgot about arrow. Ty englishman 
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2018-05-08T19:42:12 < Thorn> can pcbway etc. do plated slots (3x0.8mm)?
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2018-05-08T19:47:02 < Thorn> https://www.pcbway.com/pcb_prototype/Plated_through_slots.html
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2018-05-08T20:03:12 < upgrdman> nice changelog "- Some bugs were fixed. 7-Zip could crash in some cases."
2018-05-08T20:03:51 < upgrdman> now i dont feel bad for using "- Various small bug fixes. See git commit log for details." in my changelogs
2018-05-08T20:05:54 < antto> translation: the new version has a different set of bugs
2018-05-08T20:06:19 < antto> bugs assorti
2018-05-08T20:06:23 < antto> voila
2018-05-08T20:06:30 < Hamilton> upgrdman, Personally I blame the smartphone app update precedure for these "minor fixes and improvements"
2018-05-08T20:06:55 < upgrdman> lol, this has been going on since before smartphones existed
2018-05-08T20:07:21 < Hamilton> really? I didn't know
2018-05-08T20:07:44 < upgrdman> i remember this fuckery in the days of windows 3.1, windows 95, xfree86, etc.
2018-05-08T20:07:55 < Hamilton> Continuous delivery and integration pretty much became widespread in 2010s I guess
2018-05-08T20:08:23 < upgrdman> ya but shit changelogs have existed since people started writing changelogs
2018-05-08T20:10:09 < Steffanx> just dont write change logs.
2018-05-08T20:11:30 < Steffanx> It depends on the sw ofcourse, but i dont mind log entires likes: "Fixed a number of bugs that would cause crashes". Why be more specific?
2018-05-08T20:11:42 < Steffanx> in this case it's an item in the sublime text change log
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2018-05-08T20:12:13 < upgrdman> Steffanx, it'd be nice to see if an update fixed a problem you had (or thought you had)
2018-05-08T20:13:13 < Steffanx> perhaps, but it also takes time to write everything down. Although a proper bug tracker should/could help with that.
2018-05-08T20:16:05 < karlp> STBC02 looks kinda cute.
2018-05-08T20:17:26 < aandrew> using a cheap mosfet driver for a cable driver works really fucking well
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2018-05-08T20:18:34 < aandrew> MIC4126 (everyone makes pin compatible ones) with a 49R9 in series with the connector and my risetime is like 17ns with no over/undershoot on 3 feet of cable
2018-05-08T20:19:09 < aandrew> I should dig out my 1kft of cat5e and see what it looks like on the other side
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2018-05-08T20:35:24 < englishman> Thorn: sometimes they do and sometimes they dont
2018-05-08T20:35:34 < englishman> you have to be painfully obvious what it is you want
2018-05-08T20:35:43 < englishman> and sometimes they still dont do it
2018-05-08T20:36:08 < englishman> but for $10 lol whatever
2018-05-08T20:37:23 < Thorn> so I'll have to use 3mm PTHs for my DC socket?
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2018-05-08T20:44:47 < Steffanx> Thorn, you are an aliexpert. What do chinese mean by a "EU Warehouse". Does that mean they actually ship from the EU?
2018-05-08T20:46:23 < Thorn> dunno about EU warehouse but almost always I see a lot that "ships from Russia" the actual "ship from Russia" option is greyed out lol
2018-05-08T20:46:46 < Steffanx> nah, it this case it said it, i paid for it, but tracking still started in china -_-
2018-05-08T20:46:57 < Steffanx> and for 250 euro thing i'd rather not pay taxes :D
2018-05-08T20:47:00 < Steffanx> a
2018-05-08T20:47:04 < Thorn> is it a ***CN tracking number?
2018-05-08T20:47:36 < Steffanx> no even worse SFC****
2018-05-08T20:47:40 < Steffanx> where SFC means Send From China :D
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2018-05-08T20:48:02 < Thorn> or are they shipping it e.g. to Finland in a container to later ship with a ***FI tracking?
2018-05-08T20:48:17 < Thorn> these services may assign another tracking # later
2018-05-08T20:48:45 < Steffanx> nah, a DPD code has already been assigned.
2018-05-08T20:48:52 < Steffanx> which is german
2018-05-08T20:51:24 < Thorn> well maybe you won't have to deal with customs then
2018-05-08T20:51:30 < Steffanx> i hope so
2018-05-08T21:22:57 < veverak> hmm
2018-05-08T21:23:24 < veverak> I have i2c buss, with one master stm32 (L4) and multiple slaves (stm32, small cpu)
2018-05-08T21:23:40 < veverak> the slaves should all be same (very small) PCB with a same firmware
2018-05-08T21:23:52 < veverak> How to assign addresses to the slaves, so they are not conflicting?
2018-05-08T21:24:39 < veverak> I am aware of a trick, where each slave at boot, would act as master and ask the real master on 0x00, for a free address: Question is, how are stm32 handling multimaster situations?
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2018-05-08T21:34:46 < Steffanx> Go for the good old address pins?
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2018-05-08T22:03:51 < jpa-> veverak: because I2C is open-drain, you could also have 1-wire style address setting with the unique id of the STM32 processor
2018-05-08T22:04:36 < jpa-> e.g. one command to query unique id matching a given mask, and a second command to assign address based on unique id
2018-05-08T22:05:12 < jpa-> and then do a binary search to discover all the unique id's on the bus, and then assign addresses to them
2018-05-08T22:06:00 < veverak> Steffanx: "very small pcb"
2018-05-08T22:06:03 < veverak> jpa-: I see
2018-05-08T22:09:34 < Steffanx> When you're creative it wont make your pcb larger.
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2018-05-08T22:25:42 < englishman> fuck UPS and fuck ARROW fucking assholes
2018-05-08T22:27:10 < Thorn> veverak: the question is how the main MCU will tell which slave is where (assuming this is required)
2018-05-08T22:27:38 < veverak> Thorn: once the i2c slave addresses are assigned, he can simply ask for unique id of each MCU
2018-05-08T22:27:49 < veverak> which is 96 bits (can't use as i2c address) and I don't know formula for it
2018-05-08T22:28:02 < Thorn> e.g. if it's a quadcopters with 4 ESC channels it kinda matters which motor to command lol
2018-05-08T22:28:35 < Thorn> and what is the relationship between the unique ID and the channel number or whatever?
2018-05-08T22:29:20 < veverak> nothing more is required really :)
2018-05-08T22:30:06 < veverak> Thorn: you can simply configure once that channel 0 has ID ...
2018-05-08T22:31:03 < Thorn> then you can program slave addresses into flash/eeprom just as well
2018-05-08T22:31:25 < Thorn> for every slave mcu
2018-05-08T22:32:00 < veverak> not really
2018-05-08T22:33:30 < veverak> the complete architecture
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2018-05-08T22:34:01 < veverak> is actually something like: ARM <-CAN-> Big STM32 <-I2C -> Small STM32
2018-05-08T22:35:46 < veverak> (The Big STM32 just processes the data a bit and communicates over CAN )
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2018-05-08T22:36:22 < veverak> The assigment of chip ID to it's ... "logical position" can be done in ARM easily.
2018-05-08T22:38:46 < jpa-> maybe just program 7-bit address to the OTP area of each of the slaves, and worry more once you have more than 128 units in existence :P
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2018-05-08T22:40:56 < englishman> rage email sent to ARROW
2018-05-08T22:42:11 < Thorn> emergency shipment of purr for englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqPHA_RV9gs
2018-05-08T22:44:04 < englishman> what a cool cat
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2018-05-08T22:45:58 < englishman> if only he could be trained to ship packages 
2018-05-08T22:46:38 < veverak> screw it
2018-05-08T22:46:41 < veverak> "enable pin"
2018-05-08T22:47:18 < veverak> "slace MCU boots, slave MCU waits antil master assigns different than default i2c address, slave MCU 'enables' next sensor in row"
2018-05-08T22:47:45 < Steffanx> I wasnt going to suggest that because "very small pcb" :P
2018-05-08T22:48:20 < veverak> Steffanx: as much as I would like to argue about that
2018-05-08T22:48:34 < veverak> Steffanx: half of the arguments are not my idea, but requests from the guys that want it
2018-05-08T22:48:36 < veverak> :)
2018-05-08T22:49:28 < Steffanx> How it's possible you dont own arrow.sucks yet, englishman? Or is it hte price of the domain?
2018-05-08T22:49:32 < Thorn> are they ee pros or do they 'think' they know what they're talking about?
2018-05-08T22:49:53 < Steffanx> oh lol, it's owned by arrow. 
2018-05-08T22:50:32 < Steffanx> Crappy registar listed it as free
2018-05-08T22:51:13 < veverak> Thorn: Too soon to make strong assersions about that
2018-05-08T22:51:20 < veverak> First project
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2018-05-08T23:16:12 < karlp> well, jpa/kakimir's contestant is alright.
2018-05-08T23:16:21 < karlp> think they're winning of the entrants from here
2018-05-08T23:17:18 < Steffanx> Eurovision stuff?
2018-05-08T23:17:54 < karlp> yar
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2018-05-08T23:21:52 < Steffanx> i normally dont give a damn, but you made me look/listen to iceland and finland karlp -_-
2018-05-08T23:22:09 < BrainDamage> did you instantly regret?
2018-05-08T23:22:59 < Steffanx> I actually watched them in the other order and .. i did regret after listening to icelander.
2018-05-08T23:23:09 < Steffanx> finland isnt too bad. it's catchy-ish.
2018-05-08T23:24:57 < Steffanx> it seems the italian entry isnt too bad either BrainDamage. At least when you dont speak italian.
2018-05-08T23:25:09 < veverak> btw
2018-05-08T23:25:17 < veverak> anybody using any formal verificaton tools for your stm32 code?
2018-05-08T23:30:47 < stvn> smoke test
2018-05-08T23:33:46 < stvn> Is exploding stm32 a run-time error?
2018-05-08T23:34:05 < karlp> iceland was an abomination, thgat's why I didn't mention it.
2018-05-08T23:34:09 < karlp> finland was good :)
2018-05-08T23:34:42 < karlp> my daughter just declard to her mother and aunt that she would rather go and "work" on the computer beside me than watch any more of it though :)
2018-05-08T23:35:18 < Steffanx> hah.
2018-05-08T23:35:53 < karlp> it's ok, she's watching israel on the other half of the screen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CziHrYYSyPc
2018-05-08T23:36:09 < stvn> The young bloggers
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2018-05-08T23:42:16 < Steffanx> Lituania seems more kid-approved karlp :P
2018-05-08T23:42:41 < kikes> young blotters
2018-05-08T23:52:33 < Thorn> oh shit
2018-05-08T23:52:39 < Thorn> you can put altium on PAUSE
2018-05-08T23:53:08 < Thorn> in 18, press tab while routing
2018-05-08T23:53:13 < Thorn> lmao
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2018-05-09T00:00:18 < kikes> my china gui is installing kicad
2018-05-09T00:00:19 < Steffanx> Its not pause, it does the side bar thing instead of new window..
2018-05-09T00:00:57 < Steffanx> Where did you buy altium 18 thorn. My sources dont provide 18 yet :P
2018-05-09T00:02:43 < Thorn> it shows an actual pause icon in the layout window
2018-05-09T00:03:10 < Thorn> because you can't move the mouse away from it after you have started routing because it will 'autopan'
2018-05-09T00:04:01 < Thorn> it's like painting yourself into a corner and then painting footsteps on the floor in a different color so you can get out
2018-05-09T00:05:06 < Thorn> at a dongs approved distributor. website starts with ru and ends with .org
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2018-05-09T00:08:15 < Steffanx> Hah
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2018-05-09T01:01:28 < Steffanx> Where is stvn?
2018-05-09T01:06:00 < stvn> Dads place
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2018-05-09T01:06:54 < BrainDamage> oh, so you're daddy's special child
2018-05-09T01:07:01 < banandana> yes
2018-05-09T01:07:07 < stvn> My dad is dead
2018-05-09T01:07:11 < banandana> <3 u BrainDamage
2018-05-09T01:07:19 < BrainDamage> oh, so you were daddy's special child
2018-05-09T01:07:19 < stvn> He died of cansir
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2018-05-09T01:07:28 < banandana> BrainDamage: why
2018-05-09T01:07:33 < banandana> do u have brain damage
2018-05-09T01:07:49 < banandana> have u been playing with ur stm32 for too long
2018-05-09T01:08:02 < BrainDamage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo
2018-05-09T01:08:02 < stvn> Stm32 is good
2018-05-09T01:15:20 < karlp> hrm, cubemx f7 disco usb fs and hs both run ok, but don't enumerate on either usb port.
2018-05-09T01:20:21 < Thorn> iirc my driver worked well on f746 disco
2018-05-09T01:20:56 < Thorn> one of them may not have vbus connected
2018-05-09T01:21:32 < karlp> well, neither my test locm3 code nor the example code enumerates on either port yet.
2018-05-09T01:21:35  * karlp poks a little more
2018-05-09T01:21:39 < Thorn> so you have to program the core to ignore vbus or it will never initiate the connection
2018-05-09T01:22:13 < karlp> schematics it's connected properly on the fs port, it should work
2018-05-09T01:22:31 < karlp> hs port has a ulpi transceiver, so *shrugs* on that one,
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2018-05-09T01:43:29 < karlp> ahh! got one of the demos to enumerate at least.
2018-05-09T01:44:42 < karlp> and even got atollic to run and import a project properly.
2018-05-09T01:52:23 < karlp> love st code.
2018-05-09T01:52:37 < karlp> USBx_DEVICE->DCFG |= DCFG_FRAME_INTERVAL_80;  << DCFG_FRAME_INTERVAL_80 == 0
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2018-05-09T02:12:09 < karlp> well, not looking at nuttx code either, it's huge
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2018-05-09T03:21:27 < dongs> < karlp> USBx_DEVICE->DCFG |= DCFG_FRAME_INTERVAL_80;  << DCFG_FRAME_INTERVAL_80 == 0
2018-05-09T03:21:30 < dongs> the fuck what?
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2018-05-09T04:02:37 < branjb> https://www.westmonster.com/lords-vote-to-take-brexit-date-out-of-eu-withdrawal-bill/
2018-05-09T04:03:22 < dongs> is that a satire site or somethign
2018-05-09T04:03:24 < branjb> how are we going to turn britian into a muslim country if we brexit
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2018-05-09T05:51:59 < branjb> how would you cut a 1/2 in steel bar?  hacksaw?
2018-05-09T05:52:08 < dongs> autism ray
2018-05-09T05:55:27 < englishman> autism saw
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2018-05-09T05:56:39 < branjb> 747 full of jet fuel?
2018-05-09T05:56:52 < englishman> use your band saw
2018-05-09T05:57:31 < branjb> it's just made for wood, will that still work?
2018-05-09T05:57:50 < branjb> band saw's scare the shit out of me
2018-05-09T05:57:54 < bitmask> 23 hours into this print and its about 2/3 done
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2018-05-09T06:54:35 < R0b0t1> I'm getting errors in a CubeMX project that HAL symbols are undefined, e.g. HAL_RCC_OscConfig
2018-05-09T06:54:48 < R0b0t1> I checked stm32l4xx_hal_conf.h and it seems like they are included
2018-05-09T06:55:20 < R0b0t1> What is strange is this only happens if I modify the main loop
2018-05-09T06:55:26 < R0b0t1> If I leave it blank the project compiles
2018-05-09T06:56:00 < dongs> i find the only usable way to "use" cube if youre forced to is add a single setup() call and a loop() inside main, and then take ALL the other code externally and don't fuck wiht any autogenerated shit
2018-05-09T06:56:24 < dongs> basically the retarduino way
2018-05-09T06:59:53 < R0b0t1> Well
2018-05-09T06:59:55 < R0b0t1> I will try that
2018-05-09T07:00:06 < R0b0t1> I tried to get it to generate low-level code instead of HAL code because that is more readable
2018-05-09T07:00:10 < R0b0t1> But I think it is messing things up
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2018-05-09T07:12:49 < R0b0t1> Okay dongs it was the low level code generator that was broken
2018-05-09T07:14:04 < R0b0t1> Is anyone from STMicro here
2018-05-09T07:14:06 < R0b0t1> Please fix it
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2018-05-09T07:25:49 < R0b0t1> dongs: Turns out the default Makefile has a sources path of "Application" for people who want to do that
2018-05-09T07:25:51 < R0b0t1> So yeha
2018-05-09T07:25:54 < R0b0t1> yeah*
2018-05-09T07:25:57 < R0b0t1> Thanks for the suggestion
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2018-05-09T08:12:15 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKVppdt_-B4
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2018-05-09T08:31:31 < jpa-> branjb: i'd just hacksaw it, shouldn't take too long
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2018-05-09T08:39:03 < jpa-> veverak: i've tried out both frama-c and rust (i guess you could call rust formal verification if you stretch the definition like a rubber band), but i'm not currently using either because my code is not critical enough :P
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2018-05-09T10:00:52 < stvn> Hmmm
2018-05-09T10:03:02 < kakimir> why do manufs keep breaking their urls
2018-05-09T10:04:07 < fest> they keep buying each other and then "unifying the customer experience" "bringing the knowledge bases in harmony" 
2018-05-09T10:05:51 < Hamilton> Did Qualcomm finally buy NXP or not?
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2018-05-09T10:13:20 < stvn> I miss Fairchild
2018-05-09T10:16:07 < kakimir> qualcomm nxp whaa?
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2018-05-09T10:17:32 < dongs> buttchain
2018-05-09T10:19:13 < Hamilton> kakimir, https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/20/qualcomm-now-plans-to-close-the-nxp-acquisition-for-44-billion-as-quickly-as-possible/
2018-05-09T10:19:46 < Hamilton> It's funny since Qualcomm itself being bought by Broadcomm
2018-05-09T10:20:05 < Hamilton> Like bigger fish eating smaller ones, who themselves are being eaten
2018-05-09T10:22:40 < kakimir> i hate when things go shit if that deal happens
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2018-05-09T10:23:46 < Hamilton> I don't know much FPGA, but does anyone know whether Altera products quality/support deteriorated after intel's acquisition?
2018-05-09T10:27:41 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRUvbiWLwFI&t=190 fuck off
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2018-05-09T10:37:20 < fest> won't ever have to interact with those pesky humans
2018-05-09T10:49:12 < kakimir> how do I make a parameter that qualifies const char* and char* the same
2018-05-09T10:49:26 < kakimir> currently I get a warning
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2018-05-09T10:59:22 < dongs> I attended programming college and I have a degree in three most famous and successful programming languages. C/C++, Visual Basic and Java. So i know i can code. And there is a diploma hanging on my wall to prove it.
2018-05-09T10:59:26 < dongs> .
2018-05-09T10:59:29 < dongs> I am a professional, I am paid tons of cash to teach or do software development. I am roughly 30 years old .
2018-05-09T11:00:22 < dongs> I've written hundreds of thousands of code syntax lines for small simple applications and games.
2018-05-09T11:04:34 < kakimir> you are not hired dongs 
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2018-05-09T11:14:29 < Hamilton> dongs, That didn't sound like robot at all
2018-05-09T11:14:31 < Hamilton> :|
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2018-05-09T11:18:37 < dongs> youre retarded if you think so
2018-05-09T11:19:05 < dongs> https://www.cnet.com/features/google-assistant-duplex-at-io-could-become-the-most-lifelike-ai-voice-assistant-yet/ here's both calls in their entirety
2018-05-09T11:19:08 < dongs> you know what the jerk is here?
2018-05-09T11:19:13 < dongs> both the caller and callee are google bots
2018-05-09T11:21:52 < stvn> Rofl
2018-05-09T11:22:03 < stvn> Degree in pumping
2018-05-09T11:22:16 < dongs> sup stvn do you have a pumping degree on your wall
2018-05-09T11:22:24 < stvn> Majored in irc and memes
2018-05-09T11:22:35 < stvn> Yea I got 1
2018-05-09T11:22:46 < dongs> i think that would be Laurence/b/ degree
2018-05-09T11:22:52 < stvn> True
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2018-05-09T11:34:37 < Steffanx> Stvn does memes?
2018-05-09T11:34:44 < Steffanx> Pumping ok.. but memes?
2018-05-09T11:34:45 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Dygcs3th/IMG_1408.PNG
2018-05-09T11:35:10 < stvn> Seems crapple got stomped for being fucking kikes
2018-05-09T11:35:27 < stvn> For the 2784th time
2018-05-09T11:35:33 < dongs> lmao
2018-05-09T11:35:42 < dongs> teh real faggot is you tho
2018-05-09T11:35:46 < dongs> for even having an apple device
2018-05-09T11:35:50 < dongs> amirite y/y/y
2018-05-09T11:35:59 < kakimir> stvn, this update bricks your phone?
2018-05-09T11:36:03 < stvn> Yeah I’m as gay as gary
2018-05-09T11:36:35 < kakimir> for the safety of user we have bricked your phone
2018-05-09T11:36:44 < stvn> kakimir: I’ve read earlier ones can brick ifuck8 with replacement screens
2018-05-09T11:37:03 < stvn> I just have the SE
2018-05-09T11:37:23 < stvn> If I needed a bigger phone, laptop.
2018-05-09T11:37:24 < Steffanx> Hows your mac dongs?
2018-05-09T11:37:51 < kakimir> stvn, for safety
2018-05-09T11:37:55 < kakimir> right
2018-05-09T11:39:09 < stvn> Again 10 years ago that was the joke when apple did it the first time
2018-05-09T11:39:43 < stvn> Now it’s the only way they can get noticed
2018-05-09T11:39:57 < stvn> Otherwise people would forget they exist
2018-05-09T11:40:33 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-09T11:43:25 < stvn> I do enjoy how Mac Pro looks like a garbage bin
2018-05-09T11:43:53 < kakimir> I looked mac pros yesterday
2018-05-09T11:43:55 < kakimir> wtf
2018-05-09T11:44:03 < stvn> Yes
2018-05-09T11:44:35 < stvn> 3+ years old no changes same price
2018-05-09T11:45:00 < dongs> fagpro is dead anyway
2018-05-09T11:45:40 < stvn> DOA
2018-05-09T11:45:56 < dongs> i think thier suggested replacement is ifagpro
2018-05-09T11:46:17 < dongs> https://www.apple.com/lae/imac-pro/ this crap
2018-05-09T11:46:18 < stvn> I know a guy who purchased one installed a $1000+ cpu and probably 32gb ram
2018-05-09T11:46:29 < stvn>  Believe he used it once
2018-05-09T11:46:38 < dongs> the fuck is that link
2018-05-09T11:46:42 < dongs> fucking spic apple
2018-05-09T11:46:48 < kakimir> https://fi.pinterest.com/pin/101964379036257123/?lp=true
2018-05-09T11:47:24 < kakimir> anyways.. who uses mac pro anyway
2018-05-09T11:47:31 < kakimir> everybody wants imac pro
2018-05-09T11:47:38 < kakimir> with that retina screen
2018-05-09T11:47:59 < stvn> I’ve told him for years he needs a rack full of outboard gear his shitty recording studio programs will melt with the amount of tracks + fx he is using
2018-05-09T11:48:56 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/M2UngJU.png lol
2018-05-09T11:49:03 < dongs> top of the line ifagpro
2018-05-09T11:49:16 < stvn> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2018-05-09T11:49:29 < dongs> 2.3GHz 18-core Intel Xeon W processor, Turbo Boost up to 4.3GHz
2018-05-09T11:49:29 < dongs> 128GB 2666MHz DDR4 ECC memory
2018-05-09T11:49:29 < dongs> 4TB SSD
2018-05-09T11:49:29 < dongs> Radeon Pro Vega 64 with 16GB of HBM2 memory
2018-05-09T11:49:44 < dongs> such garabge gpu too
2018-05-09T11:49:46 < stvn> probably same price as m2f operation
2018-05-09T11:49:48 < stvn> Lol
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2018-05-09T11:52:13 < kakimir> pack some serious garbage and make a pretty bin for it
2018-05-09T11:53:48 < stvn> Mac Pro - it’s cheaper than my gender reassignment!
2018-05-09T11:54:18 < stvn> I want to write product reviews
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2018-05-09T11:56:42 < dongs> you grossed out gnom
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2018-05-09T11:59:12 < stvn> I made someone in stonertronics call the !ops waambulance and crawl into his safe space this morning
2018-05-09T11:59:30 < dongs> did you criticize their retarduino project
2018-05-09T11:59:53 < stvn> Nah just started talking about African American men with aids
2018-05-09T12:20:38 < dongs> straight to the point eh
2018-05-09T12:34:53 < karlp> dongs: that DCFG_FRAME_INTERVAL is cubemx usb device init code. it just does nothing.
2018-05-09T12:35:16 < karlp> I presume (hope) it's templated, so it might do something if some options are set.
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2018-05-09T13:28:37 < jpa-> https://hackaday.com/2018/05/08/windows-notepad-now-supports-unix-line-endings/   only took 20 years
2018-05-09T13:30:54 < kakimir> notepad is actually developed activelly?
2018-05-09T13:31:08 < kakimir> I thought it's codebase is from 80s
2018-05-09T13:31:16 < kakimir> just reskin
2018-05-09T13:31:22 < dongs> there's codebase in notepad/
2018-05-09T13:31:29 < dongs> its jsut a fucking stadnard windows edit control
2018-05-09T13:31:30 < dongs> and some menus
2018-05-09T13:32:34 < kakimir> ragetype
2018-05-09T13:35:39 < stvn> i once considered downloading a notepad that could unix
2018-05-09T13:35:59 < kakimir> interesing.. my project GPIO has all outputs
2018-05-09T13:36:07 < kakimir> every input is ADC
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2018-05-09T13:41:16 < stvn> what does said project do?
2018-05-09T13:41:52 < kakimir> reads off-board hall sensor
2018-05-09T13:42:28 < kakimir> switches smart switch according to what is read from hall sensor
2018-05-09T13:42:43 < kakimir> this is really simplified description of function
2018-05-09T13:42:53 < kakimir> there is dozens of other conditions
2018-05-09T13:44:04 < kakimir> 8 ADC inputs fully utilized for different signals + i2c 3d hall as potentiometer
2018-05-09T13:45:13 < kakimir> 2 outputs just for conditioning these ADC signals(turning stuff on and off)
2018-05-09T13:45:38 < stvn> today i learned you can still buy the first silicon bjt
2018-05-09T13:45:47 < kakimir> what
2018-05-09T13:45:51 < kakimir> srs?
2018-05-09T13:45:56 < kakimir> srsly
2018-05-09T13:46:53 < stvn> well fairchild's first 2N697
2018-05-09T13:47:32 < stvn> https://au.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?Keyword=2N697
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2018-05-09T13:54:56 < Steffanx> Where is stvn?
2018-05-09T13:55:09 < stvn> in jail
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2018-05-09T14:12:49 < tpw_rules> is there a part number for a shrouded right angle 0.05" 10 pin with pin 7 missing arm debug header
2018-05-09T14:12:53 < tpw_rules> i have one but idk how to get more
2018-05-09T14:13:28 < jpa-> https://i.stack.imgur.com/1lzDN.png   zyp vs. karlp
2018-05-09T14:18:21 < zyp> :)
2018-05-09T14:19:06 < karlp> ours sometimes turn into stone int eh sunlight too.
2018-05-09T14:19:33 < karlp> what' sleft out there is that there's a troll women who's mother to all the santa clauses
2018-05-09T14:20:53 < stvn> lolwtf
2018-05-09T14:21:18 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfVwr2F26mQ zyp study material
2018-05-09T14:21:46 < Laurenceb> sup
2018-05-09T14:22:01  * Laurenceb has strained wrist :(
2018-05-09T14:22:44 < Thorn> did you punch your boss
2018-05-09T14:22:46 < Laurenceb> online dating was a bad idea, tried to pick up a landwhale
2018-05-09T14:23:05 < stvn> lol
2018-05-09T14:23:09 < Laurenceb> shit was nasty, her house stank
2018-05-09T14:23:18 < stvn> :o
2018-05-09T14:23:40 < Laurenceb> I need to retroactively go back to being a wizard
2018-05-09T14:23:56 < stvn> how did this come about?
2018-05-09T14:24:49 < Laurenceb> online dating, lurn to read :P
2018-05-09T14:25:08 < Laurenceb>  """dating"""
2018-05-09T14:26:18 < Laurenceb> with wrist out of action theres no fappin for me, clearly its a cunning plot
2018-05-09T14:26:43 < zyp> congrats on the sex
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2018-05-09T14:33:19 < stvn> llol
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2018-05-09T14:41:24 < stvn> what happened to your wrist Laurenceb 
2018-05-09T14:43:31 < BrainDamage> repetitive strain injury?
2018-05-09T14:44:33 < jpa-> it's his new project, he's been fapping off horses to get their heart rate to rise
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2018-05-09T14:50:59 < stvn> cool
2018-05-09T14:56:40 < Laurenceb> stvn: I tried to pick up a landwhale
2018-05-09T15:00:49 < stvn> you already said that
2018-05-09T15:02:10 < stvn> horse fiddler it is
2018-05-09T15:12:01 < Laurenceb> mr hands
2018-05-09T15:26:50 < dongs> http://www.euronews.com/2018/04/24/finger-burned-driver-jailed-after-swearing-at-speed-camera found Laurence/b/ dad
2018-05-09T15:30:29 < Ecco> Hey :)
2018-05-09T15:30:42 < Ecco> I'm playing with Cube MX and it says that HCLK has to be at least 14 Mhz
2018-05-09T15:30:52 < Ecco> But I can't find this info in the datasheet
2018-05-09T15:30:57 < Ecco> (also, 14MHz seems quite high)
2018-05-09T15:31:04 < dongs> wut
2018-05-09T15:31:06 < Ecco> Can I run an STM32 with a very slow HCLK?
2018-05-09T15:31:10 < dongs> HCLK = SYSCLK?
2018-05-09T15:31:26 < dongs> the crystal requirement is 4mhz to 25mhz
2018-05-09T15:31:39 < karlp> some periphfs need it to be over 14mhz
2018-05-09T15:31:44 < karlp> it's in the ref man
2018-05-09T15:32:07 < dongs> so i can't run it at 4mhz?
2018-05-09T15:32:18 < karlp> sure, but some perihs won't work properly
2018-05-09T15:32:23 < Ecco> oh, ok
2018-05-09T15:32:28 < karlp> cubemx is trying to stop you from shooting yourself in the foot
2018-05-09T15:32:35 < Ecco> HCLK = SYSCLK/AHB prescaler
2018-05-09T15:33:02 < karlp> like, you can't meet i2c standard timings if youre running too slow...
2018-05-09T15:33:04 < karlp> or usb,
2018-05-09T15:33:23 < Ecco> yeah, ok :)
2018-05-09T15:33:36 < Ecco> But appart from those, shall the rest work OK?
2018-05-09T15:34:07 < Ecco> Like, even with a very slow clock such as 500 kHz?
2018-05-09T15:34:09 < karlp> I'm not going to guarantee shit
2018-05-09T15:34:15 < karlp> what do you think?
2018-05-09T15:34:29 < Ecco> Honestly, I've no idea, but I would believe it should work
2018-05-09T15:34:35 < karlp> so...
2018-05-09T15:34:38 < Ecco> :-)
2018-05-09T15:34:42 < Ecco> Ok I'm going to give it a try :)
2018-05-09T15:34:44 < karlp> I don't have a clue what periphs you're using
2018-05-09T15:35:35 < Ecco> FSMC, and that's pretty much it
2018-05-09T15:35:49 < dongs> why do you care about slow speed if you are using fsmc
2018-05-09T15:35:57 < Ecco> I'm driving an LCD panel
2018-05-09T15:36:10 < Ecco> and I'd like to slow down the system to actually see know what's going on
2018-05-09T15:36:24  * karlp laughs
2018-05-09T15:36:37 < karlp> you're always doing things in such wondefully obtuse ways
2018-05-09T15:36:42 < Ecco> :-D
2018-05-09T15:37:00 < karlp> are you a consultant, billing by the hour or something?
2018-05-09T15:37:01 < dongs> .
2018-05-09T15:37:14 < Ecco> :-(
2018-05-09T15:37:37 < Ecco> Well, I don't understand why this is such a stupid idea
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2018-05-09T16:06:44 < zyp> you don't understand why violating the specs is a stupid idea? :)
2018-05-09T16:13:25 < dongs> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wLViKZxT/image.png
2018-05-09T16:13:32 < dongs> @ whoever wanted a new stackoverflow
2018-05-09T16:14:31 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/gn9Us5I.jpg catoverflow
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2018-05-09T16:18:31 < dongs> BREAKING: U.S. Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, is on a flight back from North Korea to Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland, accompanied by Kim Dong-chul, Tony Kim and Kim Hak-song -- the last three American prisoners who were held in North Korea, President Donald Trump says.
2018-05-09T16:23:14 < Steffanx> Fake news
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2018-05-09T16:37:12 < c10ud> https://hackaday.com/2018/05/08/push-it-to-the-limit-ssd1306-at-150-fps/ Laurenceb secret i2c experiments 
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2018-05-09T16:48:22 < dongs> lol, someone discovered you don't need to do start for every pixel you write to ssd?
2018-05-09T16:48:27 < dongs> why the nigger fuck is this even worth a blog
2018-05-09T16:49:48 < zyp> it's not, just like most other posts on hackaday
2018-05-09T16:50:19 < dongs> like first thing i fixed in the oled code i stole was updategram() or whatever shit
2018-05-09T16:50:29 < dongs> from re-starting on each byte of data
2018-05-09T16:50:38 < dongs> because the tarduino? or whatever i2c they used didn't have a i2cwritebuffer
2018-05-09T16:50:45 < dongs> and only i2cwrite(addr, subaddr, data)
2018-05-09T16:51:08 < dongs> so they would loop entire screen (like 128? or whatever bytes) and re-send each byte that way
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2018-05-09T16:56:14 < c10ud> often makers library suffer from these kind of issues, the ra8875 I tried were dirty slow, after fixing them I have blazing fast graphics which I cannot use because a) the controller suck and supports up to 10mhz only b) my miso/mosi are fucked
2018-05-09T16:56:14 < c10ud> lol
2018-05-09T16:56:49 < dongs> ya RA is garbage
2018-05-09T16:56:51 < c10ud> but, even at 4mhz I managed to do a pretty nice job 
2018-05-09T16:57:32 < c10ud> I was thinking of uploading somewhere my fixed ugui thing
2018-05-09T16:58:02 < dongs> uguufx?
2018-05-09T16:58:04 < c10ud> even if the magic is in the ra8875 wrapper
2018-05-09T16:58:51 < c10ud> nah, achimdoebler/ugui, when I was about to choose between libs I tried asking to the ugufx author but no response so I figured, meh
2018-05-09T16:58:54 < dongs> uh
2018-05-09T16:59:00 < dongs> if I wanna have some shit inlined
2018-05-09T16:59:04 < dongs> do i __inline it in header only?
2018-05-09T16:59:18 < dongs> it seems if I do both then it becomes unresolved linkage
2018-05-09T16:59:46 < c10ud> wow
2018-05-09T16:59:54 < c10ud> btw iirc inline was optional
2018-05-09T17:00:08 < dongs> no, i want it inline for sure cuz all it does is returns TIM2->CNT
2018-05-09T17:00:14 < dongs> its my highrestimer count source
2018-05-09T17:00:22 < karlp> both? where else do you have it?
2018-05-09T17:00:28 < dongs> karlp: in .c and in .h
2018-05-09T17:00:40 < karlp> and you want to inline it where else? in another c file?
2018-05-09T17:00:42 < dongs> as in __inline uint32_t read(); in .h and __inline uint32_t read() { }
2018-05-09T17:00:43 < c10ud> you might have to force it depending on your compiler
2018-05-09T17:00:51 < karlp> drop it from the .h and just make it static inline in your .c
2018-05-09T17:00:58 < dongs> karlp: i want whenever its used by various other source files to be inlined
2018-05-09T17:01:11 < karlp> if you want to use it in other source files, drop it form the c, move it to the .h, and make it static inline
2018-05-09T17:01:17 < zyp> dongs, you need to move the entire thing to the header
2018-05-09T17:01:26 < dongs> uh this is C not fail++
2018-05-09T17:01:36 < karlp> still has to be done.
2018-05-09T17:01:38 < zyp> compilers can't inline functions they can't see the body of
2018-05-09T17:01:43 < c10ud> or, #define tim2_val() TIM2->CNT
2018-05-09T17:01:46 < c10ud> lol
2018-05-09T17:01:46 < karlp> how do you think you can inline from a c file into anoter compilation unit?
2018-05-09T17:01:49 < dongs> yea i dont wanna use define
2018-05-09T17:02:30 < zyp> move everything to the header and declare it static inline
2018-05-09T17:02:50 < karlp> do you think he'll listen if we say it a third time? :)
2018-05-09T17:02:56 < zyp> idk, I can try
2018-05-09T17:02:58 < zyp> move everything to the header and declare it static inline
2018-05-09T17:03:03 < dongs> heh already done
2018-05-09T17:03:05 < dongs> why static?
2018-05-09T17:03:10 < dongs> just __inline in header was also link error.
2018-05-09T17:03:23 < zyp> so a symbol doesn't get emitted
2018-05-09T17:03:25 < karlp> duplicate copies of the function then, form each file you included it into
2018-05-09T17:03:50 < zyp> without static, the compiler has to emit a symbol for the non-inlined function in case it's referenced by other translation units
2018-05-09T17:04:00 < karlp> would have worked the first time, and failed later without the static
2018-05-09T17:04:15 < zyp> and since that happens in each translation unit, you get a symbol conflict during linking
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2018-05-09T17:14:54 < kakimir> what was that file called that had preprocessor already applied to it where macros are gone?
2018-05-09T17:17:27 < karlp> fantastic, current versions of lessc can't compile older versions of bootstrap.
2018-05-09T17:17:38 < karlp> web development is phenomenally awesome.
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2018-05-09T17:18:29 < karlp> I think the easiest way of getting this to work is to setup a ubuntu 12.04 VM or something, to have approprate era tools.
2018-05-09T17:18:49 < Steffanx> Wut?!
2018-05-09T17:19:12 < zyp> haha
2018-05-09T17:20:31 < dongs> haha lunix
2018-05-09T17:20:36 < karlp> this has nothign to do with lunix
2018-05-09T17:26:19 < Steffanx> Im glad i left webdev behind me a looong time ago
2018-05-09T17:27:00 < Steffanx> I left a bit before all those css/js compiler stuff became fancy
2018-05-09T17:27:04 < kakimir> what is preprocessor output file called?
2018-05-09T17:27:14 < kakimir> plain code output
2018-05-09T17:27:22 < kakimir> no preprocessor directives
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2018-05-09T18:09:39 < Thorn> lcsc order in the 'awaiting picking' status for over 24 hrs. that never happened before
2018-05-09T18:09:47 < dongs> RIP
2018-05-09T18:09:56 < dongs> they're trying to figure out hwo to use git cherrypick
2018-05-09T18:14:27 < Laurenceb> c10ud: woah another Laurenceb
2018-05-09T18:14:30 < Laurenceb> not me tho
2018-05-09T18:16:26 < Laurenceb> https://kek.gg/i/7kjBsd.jpg
2018-05-09T18:17:50 < kakimir> :D
2018-05-09T18:21:44 < Laurenceb> hammer pride, worldwide https://kek.gg/i/5L8W6q.jpeg
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2018-05-09T18:25:42 < bitmask> 35 hours and still going strong
2018-05-09T18:26:43 < karlp> Laurenceb: that might hve been funny like 20 years ago when the film clip came out?
2018-05-09T18:26:59 < Laurenceb> >knowing wtf that was
2018-05-09T18:27:15 < Laurenceb> obviously I'm not old enough
2018-05-09T18:27:26 < karlp> where did you get the image from?
2018-05-09T18:27:55 < Laurenceb> lulchat
2018-05-09T18:28:00 < karlp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktQ6EkeJ2sE
2018-05-09T18:28:31 < karlp> sorry, ~40 years ago
2018-05-09T18:28:46 < Laurenceb> karlp confirmed as oldfag
2018-05-09T18:29:08 < bitmask> pink floyd ftw
2018-05-09T18:29:15 < Laurenceb> https://kek.gg/i/D6-vX.png
2018-05-09T18:29:23 < karlp> >thinking they're a /pol/egend,
2018-05-09T18:29:31 < karlp> > not recognizing pink floyd memes
2018-05-09T18:29:40 < karlp> confimed as illiterate loser?
2018-05-09T18:29:46 < Laurenceb> >being >40years old
2018-05-09T18:29:53 < karlp> dude, the song's older than me.
2018-05-09T18:30:07 < karlp> pink floyd isn't exactly the sort of band that was only relvant for a year.
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2018-05-09T18:31:57 < bitmask> I'm 34 and pink floyd is one of my favorite bands
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2018-05-09T18:32:26 < Laurenceb> wizard confirmed
2018-05-09T18:34:23 < bitmask> playa bowl is so delicious, why do they have to be so expensive though
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2018-05-09T19:01:44 < englishman> patiently awaiting the Laurenceb sex tape
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2018-05-09T19:26:33 < Laurenceb> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5707039/Sharing-hate-posts-online-lead-six-months-jail.html
2018-05-09T19:26:39 < Laurenceb> im in jail for lief
2018-05-09T19:33:09 < aandrew> englishman: I could patiently await that for literally years
2018-05-09T19:33:21 < Thorn> V for Vendetta IRL when
2018-05-09T19:36:31 < Laurenceb> no homo
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2018-05-09T20:09:53 < mra90> what is Vdd and Vss?
2018-05-09T20:11:25 < englishman> not to be rude but i googled "what is Vdd and Vss?" and the first answer is very detailed and helpful
2018-05-09T20:11:42 < mra90> Thanks I also found it
2018-05-09T20:12:20 < englishman> they are the same as Vcc etc. but more precise for modern fet based technology
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2018-05-09T20:33:59 < englishman> ReadErr: i have a thermaldonix tip that doesnt heat
2018-05-09T20:34:00 < englishman> wtf
2018-05-09T20:34:08 < englishman> the screen shows it loading etc but it doesnt get wram
2018-05-09T20:34:09 < englishman> warm
2018-05-09T20:34:29 < englishman> its my fav tip
2018-05-09T20:34:35 < englishman> wore a hole in the last one
2018-05-09T20:35:48 < englishman> M7CH176
2018-05-09T20:38:49 < invzim> stick your tongue on it to be sure
2018-05-09T21:20:47 < Thorn> ALTIUM DISASTER
2018-05-09T21:21:04 < Thorn> deleted my libraries 
2018-05-09T21:21:26 < Thorn> thankfully I was able to undelete them
2018-05-09T21:21:36 < Thorn> ALTIUM FUCKING DISASTER
2018-05-09T21:22:08 < jpa-> uh, backups?
2018-05-09T21:22:24 < jpa-> (and filesystem snapshots)
2018-05-09T21:24:42 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwF9MfW-xMU
2018-05-09T21:26:08 < Steffanx> i bet it was your russian wareze friend, Thorn
2018-05-09T21:27:38 < Thorn> yeah certainly not the altium 17 uninstaller that rm -rf'd the shared documents dir (even though I did not select 'uninstall completely')
2018-05-09T21:34:55 < R0b0t1`> That reminds me
2018-05-09T21:34:57 < R0b0t1`> If not Altium, what?
2018-05-09T21:35:10 < R0b0t1`> I tried to torrent the Mentor Graphics suite but am unable to activate it
2018-05-09T21:35:29 < Thorn> I've been happily dicktracing for like 7 years
2018-05-09T21:35:44 < Thorn> quality Ukrainian software, highly recommended
2018-05-09T21:36:26 < englishman> wut
2018-05-09T21:37:07 < Steffanx> lol R0b0t1`. afaik the learning curve of Mentor Graphics is pretty pretty steep
2018-05-09T21:37:11 < englishman> that's a little shitty
2018-05-09T21:37:29 < englishman> tho I don't think I've seen a shared docs folder before
2018-05-09T21:37:39 < R0b0t1`> Steffanx: Do you know any other program good for high integration designs
2018-05-09T21:37:49 < Steffanx> Altidongs is the shit right?
2018-05-09T21:37:50 < R0b0t1`> Things like Eagle/Altium seem geared for MCU or low integration stuff
2018-05-09T21:37:56 < R0b0t1`> What if I need to route a Cortex-A part
2018-05-09T21:38:01 < englishman> you have to take a month long course to even know which of the 27 .exes to run
2018-05-09T21:38:02 < Thorn> englishman: that's where the default 'misc devices' lib is
2018-05-09T21:38:27 < R0b0t1`> I know someone who used KiCAD for some really intense FPGA stuff, but sadly I've had to recognize the paid programs tend to be superior
2018-05-09T21:38:29 < R0b0t1`> Especially for routing
2018-05-09T21:38:44 < Steffanx> lol no way R0b0t1`. Altium can do that well
2018-05-09T21:40:00 < Thorn> and then DELETE EVERYTHING because the shared dir got set to c:\ by accident during installation
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2018-05-09T21:41:19 < jpa-> R0b0t1`: some people have said pulsonix is ok also
2018-05-09T21:42:01 < jpa-> but grouping "Eagle/Altium" together looks quite weird :D
2018-05-09T21:42:22 < Thorn> yeah Eagle has a proper ununstaller
2018-05-09T21:42:54 < englishman> haha
2018-05-09T21:43:08 < englishman> pretty sure rm -rf  / is a lunix exclusive
2018-05-09T21:43:19 < Steffanx> Finally, are you ungrumpied englishman?
2018-05-09T21:43:23 < englishman> fuck no
2018-05-09T21:43:28 < Steffanx> awh, too bad.
2018-05-09T21:43:31 < englishman> 7 packages from a single arrow order
2018-05-09T21:43:32 < jpa-> https://www.altium.com/documentation/18.0/display/ADES/Altium+Designer+-+((System+Installation,+Licensing+&+Management))#!SystemInstallationLicensingManagement-Uninstalling  "Uninstall - removes the install folders (program files and shared documents locations)"   but hey, it is documented
2018-05-09T21:43:49 < Steffanx> hahaha. 
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2018-05-09T21:44:56 < R0b0t1`> jpa-: Those are the ones I hear people talking about
2018-05-09T21:45:34 < englishman> some guy wants me to repair a LGA2066 socket
2018-05-09T21:45:54 < jpa-> but really, you can probably route a cortex-A part with eagle just fine and the extra time it will take will pale with comparison to rest of a typical project
2018-05-09T21:45:59 < Steffanx> What's broken sir englishman?
2018-05-09T21:46:03 < englishman> a pin
2018-05-09T21:46:24 < englishman> if you have to route a cortex-A, you already own a nice eda suite and know how to use it
2018-05-09T21:46:33 < Steffanx> Always wonder how people manage to break pins like that.
2018-05-09T21:48:42 < Steffanx> A5 is still make:Rish.
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2018-05-09T21:48:56 < bitmask> man, I thought modeling everything for real in fusion would be tough but I got all the joints for everything working
2018-05-09T21:49:18 < bitmask> even the limit switches can be clicked
2018-05-09T21:49:27 < Steffanx> You need a job bitmask :P
2018-05-09T21:49:31 < bitmask> haha
2018-05-09T21:49:35 < bitmask> yea I do
2018-05-09T21:50:04 < bitmask> this print is almost done :) 39 hours in
2018-05-09T21:50:04 < Steffanx> The ##stm32 cheerleader team supports you.
2018-05-09T21:50:19 < Steffanx> You know how good we are at cheering up people
2018-05-09T21:50:28 < bitmask> haha yea you guys are great at that
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2018-05-09T21:55:26 < jpa-> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/a/5693   stackexhange answers can be so silly, this one is claiming that you can't route 547 ball BGA with freeware eagle :o
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2018-05-09T22:01:55 < Thorn> sadly it's true for free dicktrace because of the 1000 pin limit
2018-05-09T22:02:26 < Thorn> unless you only break a few pins out
2018-05-09T22:03:26 < Steffanx> Good luck doing it on a 2 layer board though jpa-.
2018-05-09T22:05:22 < Steffanx> my sarcasm detector fails.
2018-05-09T22:07:06 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=Cno4i_1525888443
2018-05-09T22:07:56 < Laurenceb> faaakeee
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2018-05-09T22:09:14 < Steffanx> you mean: boring
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2018-05-09T22:21:54 < aandrew> jpa-: you can't route a 550 ball BGA on two layers 
2018-05-09T22:22:40 < aandrew> or let's say it more clearly "not by any reasonable definition of 'route'"
2018-05-09T22:24:19 < Steffanx> im more curious about why jpa- even googled for that.
2018-05-09T22:24:36 < aandrew> jpa- is the one asking the question there. :-)
2018-05-09T22:25:10 < aandrew> also that question is 8 years old
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2018-05-09T22:38:28 < Steffanx> 2010. Yes. (For some reason 2010 sounds closer than "8 years old")
2018-05-09T22:39:50 < aandrew> yes it does
2018-05-09T22:39:55 < aandrew> mind you I still think that a decade ago was the 90s
2018-05-09T22:42:54 < emeb> because old
2018-05-09T22:43:05 < Steffanx> Damn it. Im old.
2018-05-09T22:43:40 < englishman> millenials dont get to say that
2018-05-09T22:43:43 < Steffanx> But still emeb/2 years old.
2018-05-09T22:43:45 < englishman> that is cultural appropriation
2018-05-09T22:44:38 < Steffanx> Im sorry sir englishman 
2018-05-09T22:47:49 < aandrew> lol
2018-05-09T22:55:31 < englishman> this guy is using pic18f
2018-05-09T22:55:48 < englishman> and some awful, shitty, huge, expensive, LGA ST accel/gyro
2018-05-09T22:55:49 < Steffanx> Im also sorry for that.
2018-05-09T22:55:58 < Steffanx> Pic -_-
2018-05-09T22:55:59 < englishman> so its like 0.4 for MCU, $16 for gyro
2018-05-09T22:56:06 < Steffanx> Does keil do pic?
2018-05-09T22:56:08 < englishman> EOL'd too
2018-05-09T22:56:15 < englishman> i doubt it
2018-05-09T22:56:19 < englishman> this just assembly anyway
2018-05-09T22:56:25 < englishman> another headtracker or some shit
2018-05-09T22:56:40 < englishman> but one has a wled on it
2018-05-09T22:56:42 < englishman> innovation!
2018-05-09T22:57:09 < englishman> got some repeat biz from a lazor ablation company
2018-05-09T23:09:10 < Thorn> where do I set defaults for *non-routing* vias
2018-05-09T23:12:34 < englishman> you mean what comes up when you press pv?
2018-05-09T23:14:37 < Thorn> yes. there is a rule for 'routing vias' and I changed is as required
2018-05-09T23:15:05 < Thorn> but it only acts on automatic vias
2018-05-09T23:15:07 < englishman> pretty sure it sticks to the last settings you used
2018-05-09T23:15:35 < Thorn> it keeps using 0.711mm hole / 1.27mm annular which I never used
2018-05-09T23:16:16 < englishman> 17 or 18
2018-05-09T23:16:25 < englishman> 17 had this crazy default via thing
2018-05-09T23:16:26 < Thorn> 1.27mm outer diameter that is
2018-05-09T23:16:30 < Thorn> 18
2018-05-09T23:18:28 < englishman> idk just tried it, its using last entered values
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2018-05-09T23:31:06 < stvn> Last time I PIC’d was mikroC pro
2018-05-09T23:31:10 < stvn> Lol
2018-05-09T23:31:25 < stvn> 8 years was it........
2018-05-09T23:32:23 < stvn> They make basic cumpilers for stm32 as I mentioned before
2018-05-09T23:32:42 < stvn> 👍
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2018-05-10T00:12:09 < stvn> mitrax: my teeth are bleeding
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2018-05-10T00:51:04 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/DW7BUUM
2018-05-10T00:51:08 < bitmask> this thing is huge
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2018-05-10T01:00:00 < stvn> The spruce moose
2018-05-10T01:01:36 < stvn> Ihttps://youtu.be/KxcrM1ms1U8
2018-05-10T01:24:39 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/1flG5ccU/dong.PNG
2018-05-10T01:29:35 < englishman> bitmask: try some textured spraypaint https://i.imgur.com/xeo4WGT.jpg
2018-05-10T01:30:15 < bitmask> hmm maybe
2018-05-10T01:30:30 < bitmask> i like this silver pla but that would be a nice touch
2018-05-10T01:34:53 < aandrew> great pic stvn 
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2018-05-10T02:27:19 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/H7SrgM7.png
2018-05-10T02:41:28 < branjb> what infill %?
2018-05-10T02:42:32 < bitmask> 15 or 20, but its mostly walls so there wasnt much infill to do, its pretty solid
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2018-05-10T09:36:17 < Steffanx> Such awkward silence...
2018-05-10T09:48:55 < dongs> commence chat
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2018-05-10T09:57:47  * Haohmaru drops a pic12f on the concrete floor
2018-05-10T09:58:29  * Haohmaru steps on it with his big-a$$ boot, the crushing sound resonates thru the whole channel
2018-05-10T09:58:44 < Haohmaru> "oops" ;P~
2018-05-10T10:08:43 < Steffanx> Haohmaru, a true pumper. Welcome to the club mate \o/
2018-05-10T10:09:01 < Haohmaru> a wat
2018-05-10T10:09:56 < Steffanx> Pick one: https://www.google.nl/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=Pumper&amp=true
2018-05-10T10:10:12 < Steffanx> (amped <3)
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2018-05-10T10:11:30 < Haohmaru> does that have something to do with big-a$$ bodybuilders?
2018-05-10T10:11:33 < Steffanx> To behonest. Mr. D introduced that term here. Im still not sure what it means. :p
2018-05-10T10:12:12 < Steffanx> I only know stvn is one, according to mr d.
2018-05-10T10:12:27 < Haohmaru> who's mr d?
2018-05-10T10:13:06 < Steffanx> Ongs
2018-05-10T10:14:22 < Haohmaru> oh..
2018-05-10T10:14:40 < Haohmaru> there needs to be a dongsdictionary
2018-05-10T10:15:16 < Haohmaru> cuz this sh*t here is beyond urban
2018-05-10T10:15:42 < Steffanx> Hah perhaps.
2018-05-10T10:16:08 < Haohmaru> namespace urban { ... }; dongs;
2018-05-10T10:16:26 < stvn> Stm32 eradicate the Jews
2018-05-10T10:17:01 < Haohmaru> stvn; // yet a whole sepparate thing
2018-05-10T10:18:28 < Haohmaru> stvn that must be a great application for those STM32J chips
2018-05-10T10:18:31  * Haohmaru hides
2018-05-10T10:26:48 < Steffanx> Is your nick related to anime Haohmaru ?
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2018-05-10T10:27:15 < Haohmaru> mmm, no
2018-05-10T10:27:19 < stvn> What the fuck is anime
2018-05-10T10:27:27 < Haohmaru> samurai shodown Haohmaru ;P~
2018-05-10T10:27:40 < Haohmaru> SHODOWN \o/
2018-05-10T10:27:44 < Haohmaru> VICTOLY \o/
2018-05-10T10:28:32 < stvn> Oh
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2018-05-10T10:34:40 < Steffanx> You are anime, stvn
2018-05-10T10:35:27 < stvn> Cool
2018-05-10T10:35:33 < stvn> Now what
2018-05-10T10:36:02 < Haohmaru> now do something very weird
2018-05-10T10:36:10 < Haohmaru> cuz that's what anime is about
2018-05-10T10:36:15 < stvn> Can I have the source code mate
2018-05-10T10:36:16 < Steffanx> Stvn is weird. No chance needed
2018-05-10T10:36:22 < stvn> For anime
2018-05-10T10:36:24 < Steffanx> Change
2018-05-10T10:36:39 < stvn> And cloning
2018-05-10T11:03:59 < stvn> Is that all?
2018-05-10T11:04:33 < Steffanx> Yes
2018-05-10T11:04:43 < Steffanx> Back to keil
2018-05-10T11:05:32 < stvn> Good idea
2018-05-10T11:05:41 < elektrinis> did not code for some time... or years
2018-05-10T11:05:48 < elektrinis> is eclipse still a thing?
2018-05-10T11:05:57 < stvn> Ask dongs
2018-05-10T11:06:00 < stvn> :)
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2018-05-10T11:20:26 < dongs> how do i remove a shithub commit by someone
2018-05-10T11:25:02 < PaulFertser> dongs: what exactly do you mean by "remove", what is it that you really want?
2018-05-10T11:25:06 < dongs> yes
2018-05-10T11:25:11 < dongs> some shithead commited absolute turd of a code
2018-05-10T11:25:13 < dongs> i don't even want to fix it
2018-05-10T11:25:16 < dongs> so i just want it gone
2018-05-10T11:26:28 < PaulFertser> dongs: is it an option for you to add a new commit that simply "reverts" all the changes and push it?
2018-05-10T11:26:37 < dongs> i could i guess
2018-05-10T11:27:20 < PaulFertser> dongs: then in your GUI there should be an option in context menu or something like that, you select commit you want to "revert" and press "revert", it should automatically create a new commit that does what you want.
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2018-05-10T11:29:59 < dongs> fucking garbage
2018-05-10T11:30:05 < dongs> it keeps fucking with my fucking current branch instead of master
2018-05-10T11:30:10 < dongs> fucking shithub god damn
2018-05-10T11:32:42 < PaulFertser> dongs: of course it adds commits to the current branch.
2018-05-10T11:32:50 < PaulFertser> If you want to do it on master, you checkout master first.
2018-05-10T11:33:15 < PaulFertser> When you create a commit, it's created on the current branch, no matter if it's a normal commit, a merge commit or a revert commit.
2018-05-10T11:33:57 < dongs> eyah revert worked
2018-05-10T11:34:01 < dongs> i dont ac re if it adds more shit
2018-05-10T11:34:08 < dongs> already yelled at faggot for commiting filth
2018-05-10T11:35:03 < PaulFertser> dongs: what VCS do you prefer to use?
2018-05-10T11:35:14 < dongs> something that actually works
2018-05-10T11:35:19 < dongs> i had no issues with visual source safe back wehn i used.
2018-05-10T11:35:21 < dongs> it
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2018-05-10T11:36:43 < dongs> god damn gmail became utterly fucking useless for work
2018-05-10T11:36:50 < dongs> cant send rar'd exe
2018-05-10T11:36:54 < dongs> can't send rar'd passworded exe
2018-05-10T11:37:02 < dongs> can't send rar'd passworded exe renamed to .txt
2018-05-10T11:37:05 < dongs> what the actual fuck
2018-05-10T11:37:26 < dongs> ok, can send rar'd passworded exe renamed to .rar.txt
2018-05-10T11:37:34 < stvn> Yeah it’s an autistic situation
2018-05-10T11:37:45 < stvn> Better send it via snail mail lol
2018-05-10T11:37:55 < Steffanx> Wetransfer like a pro
2018-05-10T11:38:00 < dongs> all because people can't fucking handle not clicking youvewon1000milliondollars.exe in their email
2018-05-10T11:38:10 < stvn> Yeah
2018-05-10T11:38:11 < Haohmaru> print it on a punch card and fold it a bunch of times
2018-05-10T11:38:21 < stvn> Dumb proof it
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2018-05-10T11:45:40 < sync> dongs: yeah, I also hate how services make their shit safe dlfor idiots but unusable for everyone else
2018-05-10T12:00:34 < stvn> idiots outnumber the rest
2018-05-10T12:00:57 < stvn> Want to enter my lottery?
2018-05-10T12:01:19 < Steffanx> Is the price a trip to tey leng?
2018-05-10T12:02:02 < stvn> Ya
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2018-05-10T12:23:00 < Laurenceb> sup trolls
2018-05-10T12:23:02 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44062475
2018-05-10T12:23:11 < Laurenceb> til going to work is rape
2018-05-10T12:23:21 < Laurenceb> >suggested employers should urge more men to work fewer hours
2018-05-10T12:26:01 < stvn> Ok
2018-05-10T12:27:12 < stvn> I remember my previous job where I pumped on irc all day it was great
2018-05-10T12:28:04 < Steffanx> Hows your mate?
2018-05-10T12:28:06 < Laurenceb> rapist
2018-05-10T12:28:53 < stvn> therapist
2018-05-10T12:29:19 < stvn> Who that Steffanx
2018-05-10T12:29:34 < Steffanx> idk.
2018-05-10T12:29:41 < stvn> Same
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2018-05-10T12:37:14 < Laurenceb> wait maybe this is a psyop to make ppl go to work
2018-05-10T12:37:39 < Laurenceb> >I'm on my way to work... checkmate feminists *troll face*
2018-05-10T12:42:08 < Laurenceb> Snowflake Student Snaps At ANGRY Jordan Peterson, INSTANTLY Regrets it, and it's beautiful
2018-05-10T12:42:24 < Laurenceb> amidoinitrite?
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2018-05-10T13:10:10 < stvn> have you taken your medication today?
2018-05-10T13:12:31 < dongs> is ther anti-autism medication?
2018-05-10T13:12:51 < Haohmaru> vodka?
2018-05-10T13:13:10 < dongs> keep thinking that.
2018-05-10T13:13:28 < Haohmaru> i don't know, i was guessing ;P~
2018-05-10T13:14:25 < stvn> dong yes it comes in the form of a high velocity lead pellet 
2018-05-10T13:15:14 < dongs> nice
2018-05-10T13:18:20 < Haohmaru> stvn how does the patient "take" it?
2018-05-10T13:18:56 < stvn> trade secret
2018-05-10T13:19:17 < Haohmaru> come on now
2018-05-10T13:24:14 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lZIJQ-cKDs
2018-05-10T13:28:52 < veverak> ok
2018-05-10T13:28:55 < veverak> is there, somewhere
2018-05-10T13:29:05 < veverak> a doc, about how to properly work with HAL's i2c interrupts API ?
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2018-05-10T13:44:13 < veverak> ok
2018-05-10T13:46:21 < veverak> to be precise, I've got code generated with stm32cubemx, and I heavily use HAL_I2C_Master_Transmit/Receive
2018-05-10T13:47:07 < veverak> the code I developed should be used in a system with a FreeRTOS, (I just wrote a library to be used by others)
2018-05-10T13:47:32 < veverak> Thing is that HAL_I2C_Master_Transmit/Receive are blocking in a way that sucks, how would you approach it?
2018-05-10T13:48:06 < veverak> Rewrite entire lib so it uses interurpts ? or is there a way to tell cubemx to generate HAL_I2C_Master_Transmit/Receive with delay friendly for FreeRTOS?
2018-05-10T14:02:57 < srk> hal sucks ;)
2018-05-10T14:08:35 < Haohmaru> HAL->GetParent().sux()
2018-05-10T14:08:40  * Haohmaru runs
2018-05-10T14:15:05 < srk> veverak: nanoHAL http://48.io/~rmarko/book/#hal :D
2018-05-10T14:23:02 < veverak> note: read the i2c.h file comments, they describe how to use it
2018-05-10T14:23:06 < veverak> :)))
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2018-05-10T14:26:27 < srk> in progress
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2018-05-10T14:32:40 < Hamilton> Hi guys :D
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2018-05-10T15:23:04 < dongs> damn
2018-05-10T15:23:17 < dongs> i assembled a prototype with some 0402 parts from a sample book i had laying around office for years
2018-05-10T15:23:24 < dongs> all the fucking caps/res are oxidized to shit
2018-05-10T15:23:29 < dongs> half of them didnt even solder properly
2018-05-10T15:23:52 < dongs> i guess i should trash them, buy new, and keep them in a drycase or somethign
2018-05-10T15:24:15 < dongs> there's also possibility the book was garbage to begin with
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2018-05-10T15:35:17 < Steffanx> im surprised you have such book. instead of have or buy a reel of the stuff you need
2018-05-10T15:35:28 < Steffanx> Make:r style.
2018-05-10T15:35:49 < dongs> this is RF stuff so i needed some oddball values
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2018-05-10T15:39:36 < dongs> also, wut?
2018-05-10T15:39:45 < dongs> make:r way would be to buy some through-hole resistors
2018-05-10T15:40:14 < Haohmaru> what's wrong with tht resistors?
2018-05-10T15:41:32 < Steffanx> "half of them didnt even solder properly"
2018-05-10T15:41:35 < Steffanx> that.
2018-05-10T15:41:36 < dongs> the part where the entire circuit i made fits into 2cm^2
2018-05-10T15:41:43 < Steffanx> oh, nevermind
2018-05-10T15:41:48 < dongs> so a through-hole resistor would be useless tehre
2018-05-10T15:41:50 < Steffanx> i fail to read
2018-05-10T15:41:54 < dongs> no, i think hes askign whats wrong wiht through-hole
2018-05-10T15:42:02 < Steffanx> yes, i read the -_-
2018-05-10T15:42:11 < Steffanx> auto correction.
2018-05-10T15:43:31 < Haohmaru> oh, right.. pros fiddle with sugar-grain-sized components
2018-05-10T15:43:48 < Haohmaru> that's the pro way
2018-05-10T15:44:53 < Ultrasauce> also inductance is a thing
2018-05-10T15:49:11  * Haohmaru induces confoozion into Ultrasauce using a big-a$$ graphite coil
2018-05-10T15:52:21 < Ultrasauce> excuse me watch your language
2018-05-10T15:53:00 < Haohmaru> pardon me sir, i am terribly sorry
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2018-05-10T19:07:56 < englishman> dongs, i had an issue where the pcb fab couldnt send me gerber files with some specific extension
2018-05-10T19:08:03 < englishman> absolutely unacceptable for a service i pay for
2018-05-10T19:08:55 < englishman> .MST
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2018-05-10T19:58:18 < Thorn> Bangabandhu Satellite-1 launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYJWeK-kVB0
2018-05-10T20:25:14 < Laurenceb> https://kek.gg/i/syTZd.png
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2018-05-10T20:30:18 < Thorn> so altium disaster can't properly sync pcb to schematics unless you assign refdes to components?
2018-05-10T20:30:38 < Thorn> looks like it can't create nets 
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2018-05-10T20:36:03 < englishman> wut
2018-05-10T20:36:42 < Guest57> sup
2018-05-10T20:37:37 < englishman> it is certainly not the job of pcb view to create nets
2018-05-10T20:40:08 < Thorn> say I add 6 components to the schematics. 2 transistors (Q? and Q?), 2 resistors (R? and R?) and 2 LEDs (D? and D?). when I sync to PCB, one net from collector to resistor and one net from resistor (other one) to its LED are not created in the PCB view
2018-05-10T20:40:34 < Thorn> I guess it's because they'd both be named NetQ?_3 and NetR?_2 or something
2018-05-10T20:41:31 < Thorn> dicktrace simply names unnamed net NetXXX which makes far more sense given this problem
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2018-05-10T20:42:43 < aandrew> my HDL is tite
2018-05-10T20:46:55 < englishman> yeah, do annotation before transfer to pcb
2018-05-10T20:47:17 < englishman> if you have 10 components all named the same how is altidumb supposed to know how to net them?
2018-05-10T20:47:29 < Thorn> dicktrace knows somehow
2018-05-10T20:47:58 < Thorn> I guess unique IDs + unique auto net names
2018-05-10T20:48:13 < aandrew> "all named the same" ?
2018-05-10T20:48:30 < aandrew> designators mean nothing to altium, it generates a unique ID for each component
2018-05-10T20:48:34 < aandrew> and tracks with that
2018-05-10T20:48:56 < englishman> components yes
2018-05-10T20:49:04 < englishman> but auto assigned net names, no
2018-05-10T20:49:24 < Thorn> net names are Net<refdes>_<pin#>
2018-05-10T20:49:49 < Thorn> if there are non-unique refdes you have a problem
2018-05-10T20:50:02 < englishman> good thing there are excellent annotation tools
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2018-05-10T21:08:11 < upgrdman> what is a "controlled avalanche" diode?
2018-05-10T21:08:29 < upgrdman> it wont die when exceeding Vr?
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2018-05-10T21:17:51 < kakimir> it has controlled avalanche properties?
2018-05-10T21:18:39 < kakimir> what I know is that exceeding Vr wont kill the diode
2018-05-10T21:18:49 < kakimir> it's exceeding the avalance spec
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2018-05-10T21:19:57 < kakimir> energy per time unit
2018-05-10T21:21:50 < kakimir> I should know more about robusting electronics
2018-05-10T21:22:12 < kakimir> my current project is a full blown automotive shiets
2018-05-10T21:22:47 < kakimir> I just apply into design what I see in other products and common good practices
2018-05-10T21:23:12 < kakimir> but eventually it boils down to surge testing
2018-05-10T21:25:35 < kakimir> is there irc channels that would cover more of that stuff?
2018-05-10T21:25:46 < kakimir> automotive / robusting electronics etc.
2018-05-10T21:27:31 < englishman> you get what you pay for
2018-05-10T21:27:58 < kakimir> that is true when it comes to robusting electronics
2018-05-10T21:28:02 < kakimir> it costs
2018-05-10T21:29:05 < upgrdman> kakimir, so a c.v. diode is basically a TVS?
2018-05-10T21:29:26 < upgrdman> (i hope so)
2018-05-10T21:29:41 < upgrdman> my chinabros are using one where i would expect a TVS
2018-05-10T21:30:09 < kakimir> I think it must be some sort of niche sort of diode
2018-05-10T21:30:35 < kakimir> makes no sense.. TVS is cheap after all compared to some controlled properties stuff
2018-05-10T21:30:41 < upgrdman> ya
2018-05-10T21:31:01 < upgrdman> guessing this is something where they sourced a few overstocked reels or someshit
2018-05-10T21:31:13 < upgrdman> for cheap
2018-05-10T21:31:34 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalanche_diode
2018-05-10T21:32:20 < kakimir> so it's basically TVS
2018-05-10T21:32:37 < upgrdman> a 200V TVS in my case. hmm
2018-05-10T21:32:50 < upgrdman> explains the shit stain it left when one exploded
2018-05-10T21:32:51 < kakimir> the specs are what you should consider
2018-05-10T21:33:07 < kakimir> of the diode used
2018-05-10T21:33:16 < kakimir> what are you doing with chinaguise upgrdman ?
2018-05-10T21:33:18 < kakimir> your product?
2018-05-10T21:33:55 < upgrdman> im helping them diagnose defects in some prototype control boards for an x-ray generator
2018-05-10T21:34:51 < upgrdman> suspect this TVS exploded when the tube arc'd
2018-05-10T21:37:04 < Thorn> how do I 50Ω from a module pin to SMA?
2018-05-10T21:37:59 < englishman> you draw a trace, and put in fab notes "make this 50R"
2018-05-10T21:38:14 < englishman> or if you know your stackup you can get it pretty close with: math
2018-05-10T21:38:39 < upgrdman> i would be so god damn happy if i could convince my chinabros to draw schematics that are understandable instead of making a big single-page rats nest. 
2018-05-10T21:39:23 < upgrdman> and giving nets useful names would be nice too
2018-05-10T21:41:31 < Thorn> the stackup is 2 layers, 1.6mm thick, $2
2018-05-10T21:42:42 < kakimir> upgrdman, what diode did they use?
2018-05-10T21:42:51 < kakimir> exactly part.no
2018-05-10T21:46:52 < Thorn> looks like I need a 1.5mm wide trace with 0.3mm clearance to gnd
2018-05-10T21:53:08 < invzim> the local hackerspace just got a lot more attractive
2018-05-10T21:53:49 < invzim> they bought a https://www.smallsmt.biz/vp2500hpcl32-pnp-machine
2018-05-10T21:54:46 < kakimir> hmm
2018-05-10T21:54:52 < kakimir> that's some pro hackerspace
2018-05-10T21:55:10 < kakimir> usually it's 3d printer, a glue gun and arduino level hw
2018-05-10T21:59:21 < jpa-> i never manage to get my hobby projects to a point where it would make sense to pnp them, let alone bother pnp'ing them myself
2018-05-10T21:59:27 < Steffanx> hackerspace is going to do production work or what invzim?
2018-05-10T21:59:59 < Steffanx> Isn't setting up such machine for 1 or 2 pcbs taking more time than just pnp-ing by hand?
2018-05-10T22:00:54 < Steffanx> And then i wonder how did they get the 10k?
2018-05-10T22:02:10 < kakimir> jpa-, good to know I'm not only one
2018-05-10T22:03:58 < invzim> one guy bought it, members for for time/usage - when it's fully paid back, hackerspace owns it
2018-05-10T22:04:01 < invzim> afaik
2018-05-10T22:04:08 < invzim> members pay
2018-05-10T22:05:08 < jpa-> ah, we once had such a deal where some person had a company, bought some pcb prototype mill & pnp & stuff, hackerspace members could've used it for some hourly price
2018-05-10T22:05:28 < kakimir> okay
2018-05-10T22:05:30 < kakimir> makes sense
2018-05-10T22:05:30 < jpa-> practically nobody ever did, the guy went bankrupt later
2018-05-10T22:05:42 < Steffanx> hah
2018-05-10T22:06:09 < invzim> anyone got a fav 3.5mm audio jack?
2018-05-10T22:06:13 < Steffanx> You still use your cnc regularly jpa-?
2018-05-10T22:06:17 < kakimir> hackerspace pnp usage is non excisting
2018-05-10T22:06:20 < invzim> seems almost as terrible as micro-usb/micro-sd
2018-05-10T22:06:33 < jpa-> apparently there wasn't much demand for crazy expensive cnc'd boards in business world either, even though he had 4 hour delivery unlike the typical 24 hour express from normal pcb shops
2018-05-10T22:06:38 < jpa-> Steffanx: sure
2018-05-10T22:07:16 < jpa-> though hobby time is somewhat more limited nowadays
2018-05-10T22:07:26 < invzim> I'm not a member of that place, but I may be - would be sweet to do be able to do micro-runs
2018-05-10T22:07:50 < jpa-> why not just outsource?
2018-05-10T22:07:56 < jpa-> seems like it would be cheaper
2018-05-10T22:08:43 < invzim> not a zillion emails about parts back and forth?
2018-05-10T22:09:36 < jpa-> even my crappy boms, it's been at most a few emails
2018-05-10T22:10:23 < jpa-> and these are literally "lul i have no idea what i'm doing but lets pretend" -level newbie boms
2018-05-10T22:10:26 < kakimir> they figure that shit out
2018-05-10T22:10:53 < kakimir> jpa-, are you newbie in terms of production stuff?
2018-05-10T22:11:08 < jpa-> i have been, and mostly still am
2018-05-10T22:11:45 < invzim> one thing that would be a big plus would be 1st off the line testing, in person
2018-05-10T22:12:18 < invzim> if it's a maker that does the pnp xy work/setup - I'm fine wit that :)
2018-05-10T22:16:04 < jpa-> yeah, that is a benefit, and also shorter fix-retry-cycle if that is the way you work
2018-05-10T22:16:53 < kakimir> jpa-, then who do I look up to
2018-05-10T22:17:20 < kakimir> few weeks back I threw my production files to china
2018-05-10T22:17:31 < kakimir> they were like okay man let's make it happen
2018-05-10T22:17:38 < kakimir> my first production files
2018-05-10T22:18:33 < kakimir> but after all it's all about sorting out technicalities - not rocket science
2018-05-10T22:26:36 < upgrdman> kakimir, BYG80D
2018-05-10T22:30:37 < kakimir> just add parallel diodes?
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2018-05-10T23:04:05 < mra90> where i can find malloc implemntation for bare metal STM32
2018-05-10T23:04:09 < mra90> no OS no nathing
2018-05-10T23:04:12 < mra90> nothing*
2018-05-10T23:06:11 < kakimir> do you use any IDE?
2018-05-10T23:06:27 < mra90> No not really
2018-05-10T23:06:37 < mra90> I use Sublime text 3
2018-05-10T23:06:42 < mra90> but I don't use any lib
2018-05-10T23:08:34 < kakimir> I wonder if it's a part of c lib you use
2018-05-10T23:08:51 < kakimir> newlib or newlib-nano maybe
2018-05-10T23:10:21 < mra90> Yep I will check it there
2018-05-10T23:10:35 < mra90> but in general how malloc behaves
2018-05-10T23:10:50 < mra90> how does it arrange that extra chunk of memmory
2018-05-10T23:11:08 < kakimir> it has something to do with piles and stuff
2018-05-10T23:11:23 < kakimir> and it keeps book about stuff
2018-05-10T23:11:51 < mra90> anyway, the say this memory will be allocated on heap
2018-05-10T23:11:58 < mra90> where is this heap kept RAM or ROM?
2018-05-10T23:13:58 < kakimir> *heap
2018-05-10T23:14:05 < kakimir> RAM definitelly
2018-05-10T23:14:10 < kakimir> *definitely
2018-05-10T23:14:36 < mra90> Okay fine
2018-05-10T23:14:38 < jpa-> and you specify in your linker script where in the RAM exactly
2018-05-10T23:14:50 < kakimir> you need probs stuff like define heap
2018-05-10T23:14:58 < kakimir> starting point and size
2018-05-10T23:15:01 < mra90> is it possible to writte to ROM from programm?
2018-05-10T23:15:11 < kakimir> you mean flash?
2018-05-10T23:15:20 < kakimir> ROM means you cannot write to it
2018-05-10T23:15:25 < jpa-> to flash rom, yes, but slowly and you need to erase a whole block of it first
2018-05-10T23:16:28 < kakimir> there is also rom in strict sense in some chips
2018-05-10T23:16:51 < kakimir> in form of manuf. binary code stuff
2018-05-10T23:17:26 < kakimir> manuf. propiertary program code
2018-05-10T23:17:35 < kakimir> you can call to do stuff
2018-05-10T23:17:55 < kakimir> handle peripherals with them and save flash memmory
2018-05-10T23:18:07 < mra90> Ok
2018-05-10T23:18:52 < kakimir> sounds like you are approaching stuff the hard way mra90 
2018-05-10T23:19:02 < mra90> kakimir: why you think so?
2018-05-10T23:19:06 < mra90> I am just asking
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2018-05-10T23:22:32 < kakimir> when I do stuff that doesn't involve any OS i don't need to think anything about malloc
2018-05-10T23:22:43 < kakimir> just start project in my ide
2018-05-10T23:22:57 < kakimir> start writing application code right away
2018-05-10T23:24:27 < zyp> mra90, the newlib malloc() relies on _sbrk() to get memory for the heap, you can provide your own _sbrk if you want to control it
2018-05-10T23:27:04 < kakimir> what are you trying to do mra90?
2018-05-10T23:28:31 < kakimir> if you want to write a simple application and not get into details you are having maybe too pro approach to it
2018-05-10T23:29:04 < kakimir> if you don't know if flash memmory can be writen by program
2018-05-10T23:29:11 < mra90> kakimir: try to implement malloc for my STM32 project
2018-05-10T23:29:18 < kakimir> why?
2018-05-10T23:29:26 < mra90>  I think the point is: we have to make usre that nobody is touching this heap area...then we can write to this as we wish
2018-05-10T23:29:44 < mra90> kakimir: why? learning purposes only :)
2018-05-10T23:29:49 < kakimir> okay
2018-05-10T23:29:57 < kakimir> then it's the right approach
2018-05-10T23:30:26 < kakimir> definitelly
2018-05-10T23:30:52 < mra90> heh ;)
2018-05-10T23:31:25 < kakimir> when you are doing "get things done" you have a wizard to create a project for you and start writing application code
2018-05-10T23:31:51 < kakimir> newlib and mallocs are there, startup code and configurations are there
2018-05-10T23:32:05 < kakimir> interrupt vectors
2018-05-10T23:32:27 < Ultrasauce> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/cloudburst/libheap/master/heap.png
2018-05-10T23:32:32 < Ultrasauce> do not want
2018-05-10T23:33:00 < kakimir> oh
2018-05-10T23:33:03 < kakimir> realloc
2018-05-10T23:33:09 < kakimir> didn't know that
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2018-05-10T23:34:17 < kakimir> heap is solelly for malloc?
2018-05-10T23:35:40 < Ultrasauce> I don't think I'd recommend dynamic allocation on a microcontroller at all
2018-05-10T23:36:32 < kakimir> ye
2018-05-10T23:38:21 < zyp> depends on the application
2018-05-10T23:42:44 < Thorn> I heard people recommend the TLSF algorithm
2018-05-10T23:42:51 < Thorn> for embedded use
2018-05-10T23:43:19 < kakimir> ?
2018-05-10T23:45:13 < Thorn> http://www.gii.upv.es/tlsf/
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2018-05-10T23:58:07 < stvn> I like elephants and god likes elephants
2018-05-10T23:59:58 < kakimir> why
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2018-05-11T00:00:12 < kakimir> and what are you smoking exactly?
2018-05-11T00:05:04 < stvn> temple
2018-05-11T00:06:16 < stvn> It’d be awesome if voices in my head (not currently present) told me to write an operating system for god
2018-05-11T00:07:25 < stvn> Also the resident cat decided it’d be okay if I shared my pizza with him
2018-05-11T00:09:41 < Steffanx> It's 07.10 in the morning stvn, you have a work day ahead and you eat pizza?!
2018-05-11T00:10:12 < kakimir> what the voices say to you stvn?
2018-05-11T00:10:28 < stvn> That was last night steffan
2018-05-11T00:10:44 < Steffanx> Im in the progress of getting some sma connectors. Any recommendations kakimir?
2018-05-11T00:10:57 < stvn> lol
2018-05-11T00:10:59 < kakimir> china
2018-05-11T00:11:06 < kakimir> ebay it
2018-05-11T00:11:19 < Steffanx> nah, that takes too long. Want them tomorrow
2018-05-11T00:11:20 < stvn> Next board I’m using SMA as a tribute to kakimir
2018-05-11T00:11:26 < kakimir> get some fake gold olated
2018-05-11T00:11:41 < stvn> The perfect connector for 20-20khz
2018-05-11T00:12:11 < stvn> audiophile grade
2018-05-11T00:12:28 < veverak> overpriced and pointless?
2018-05-11T00:12:30 < veverak> :)
2018-05-11T00:12:41 < R0b0t1`> <kakimir> when you are doing "get things done" you have a wizard to create a project for you and start writing application code
2018-05-11T00:12:49 < R0b0t1`> Except all of them I have ever used are horrible
2018-05-11T00:13:02 < R0b0t1`> So much time is spend fighting what has already been made that it would ultimately be faster to redo it
2018-05-11T00:13:09 < stvn> veverak: if kakimir does it, we do it too
2018-05-11T00:13:10 < R0b0t1`> Except maybe libc, which is never part of the project generator
2018-05-11T00:13:37 < kakimir> mine has clean and simple startup codes and configurations and libc
2018-05-11T00:13:41 < stvn> kakimir uses keil mdk arm too
2018-05-11T00:13:44 < kakimir> nxp things
2018-05-11T00:14:05 < kakimir> no cubism
2018-05-11T00:14:34 < kakimir> #justnxpthings
2018-05-11T00:14:36 < stvn> nxp is the wave of steffan abandoning stm32
2018-05-11T00:15:05 < kakimir> can you even do stm32 simple project?
2018-05-11T00:15:10 < Steffanx> I use everything stvn. Silabs, nxp (freescale), nxp lpc, stm32
2018-05-11T00:15:37 < Ultrasauce> found stvn https://www.reddit.com/r/diyelectronics/comments/462t01/1_to_3_watt_thruhole_resistors_are_amazing/
2018-05-11T00:15:44 < stvn> Ty
2018-05-11T00:16:02 < Steffanx> peepeeland. I can confirm.
2018-05-11T00:16:32 < stvn> I like resistors
2018-05-11T00:17:31 < stvn> Lol at nxp eating freescale.... 2 seperate lines of cortex m now woooooo
2018-05-11T00:18:13 < stvn> Just like microchip eating atmel, pic or avr mate?
2018-05-11T00:21:29 < Steffanx> at least it got microchip some cortex-m line too
2018-05-11T00:22:04 < stvn> Exactly
2018-05-11T00:23:08 < stvn> What actually uses pic32 apart from failed crowdfunded projects?
2018-05-11T00:25:09 < Steffanx> idk
2018-05-11T00:27:05 < stvn> https://www.robe.cz/ledwash-300/
2018-05-11T00:27:32 < Steffanx> uh what stvn?
2018-05-11T00:27:43 < stvn> ✅
2018-05-11T00:27:50 < stvn> That piece of shit
2018-05-11T00:28:56 < stvn> Had some bga pic32
2018-05-11T00:31:23 < stvn> When the distributor wanted $500aud for the display board (product was used twice in 2 years) I told them to eat a dick, so they gave me it for free
2018-05-11T00:31:32 < Steffanx> It was so special, you kept a special place for it in your heart? 
2018-05-11T00:32:01 < stvn> Nah some nigger spent 30,000 for them at my old job
2018-05-11T00:32:20 < Steffanx> What's mutichips btw?
2018-05-11T00:32:33 < stvn> They made ~$1000 in 5 years
2018-05-11T00:32:41 < stvn> Great ROI
2018-05-11T00:32:42 < Steffanx> they have it on that page, but also in the product sheet.
2018-05-11T00:33:02 < stvn> Who knows some circus clown jargon
2018-05-11T00:33:35 < Steffanx> i assume multichip, but .. who knows
2018-05-11T00:33:41 < stvn> Seriously most lighting ops have Down syndrome, missing teeth or previous employment at a circus
2018-05-11T00:33:58 < stvn> Or all of the above
2018-05-11T00:34:08 < Steffanx> Or they're just a theepot.
2018-05-11T00:34:55 < Thorn> stream is live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYJWeK-kVB0
2018-05-11T00:36:09 < stvn> Ask about the hyperloop
2018-05-11T00:36:41 < Steffanx> Isnt that time 11 min from now?
2018-05-11T00:37:03 < Steffanx> Liftoff time that is
2018-05-11T00:37:17 < Thorn> T-10 min
2018-05-11T00:37:40 < Steffanx> Oh i see. Video was doing weird. 
2018-05-11T00:37:40 < stvn> Place your bets on it blowing up
2018-05-11T00:37:53 < Steffanx> Such negativity stvn
2018-05-11T00:38:08 < stvn> That’s what they said to me!!
2018-05-11T00:38:12 < stvn> :3
2018-05-11T00:38:14 < Steffanx> Your colleagues all watch you when you do your stuff?
2018-05-11T00:38:18 < Steffanx> Ah thats a yes
2018-05-11T00:38:46 < stvn> I solder capacitors
2018-05-11T00:39:01 < stvn> Right?
2018-05-11T00:39:14 < Steffanx> I hope thats a joke.
2018-05-11T00:40:44 < stvn> It’s all joke
2018-05-11T00:41:09 < stvn> Hahaha
2018-05-11T00:51:10 < englishman> launch aborted
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2018-05-11T01:08:01 < Steffanx> And cancelled for today
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2018-05-11T01:13:39 < upgrdman> is "greek yogurt" the same as "plain yogurt"
2018-05-11T01:15:17 < Steffanx> No.
2018-05-11T01:16:36 < Steffanx> Not in dutchland at least
2018-05-11T01:16:44 < upgrdman> google confirms :/
2018-05-11T01:17:27 < upgrdman> needed some plain stuff for a recipe im trying, and my grocery store only had plain in a big tub. but lots of small greek ones. and i need like 2 tablespoons :/
2018-05-11T01:17:52 < upgrdman> it was cheap so i bought it, but what a waste. will probably have to throw away 90% of the tub by the time it goes bad
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2018-05-11T01:20:26 < Steffanx> Or just eat it?
2018-05-11T01:21:08 < karlp> they're both "plain" for most recipe purposes.
2018-05-11T01:21:34 < karlp> you've having an xy problem...
2018-05-11T01:29:46 < upgrdman> Steffanx, plain tastes boring
2018-05-11T01:29:57 < upgrdman> i guess i could mix in some jelly or whatever
2018-05-11T01:40:34 < stvn> Vlaaaaaaaaa
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2018-05-11T01:56:01 < upgrdman> "Last night was federal budget night in Australia, and one of the announcements means Australians will face a crackdown on cash-in-hand payments in an attempt by the government to reduce money laundering and tax evasion. The government has turned its attention to the "black economy" in an attempt to raise billions of extra dollars and intends to limit cash payments for purchase goods and services to $10,000."
2018-05-11T01:56:02 < upgrdman> lol
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2018-05-11T02:11:07 < aandrew> huh, STM32F03 is the cheapest STM32 out there right now
2018-05-11T02:11:16 < aandrew> I kind of thought hte L0 would be it but it's not by about 50%
2018-05-11T02:11:55 < aandrew> STM32F07 for USB, followed by F04
2018-05-11T02:12:07 < Thorn> my understanding is that F is generally cheaper than L
2018-05-11T02:12:25 < emeb> low power costs extra
2018-05-11T02:12:28 < aandrew> yep
2018-05-11T02:12:30 < aandrew> which is smart
2018-05-11T02:12:41 < aandrew> just kind of surprised me for some reason
2018-05-11T02:12:51 < Thorn> L series have some features that F lack
2018-05-11T02:13:00 < emeb> also true
2018-05-11T02:13:06 < Thorn> e.g. some L4 have 640K of RAM, enough for Bill gates
2018-05-11T02:13:15 < emeb> hrhr
2018-05-11T02:13:16 < aandrew> lol
2018-05-11T02:13:33 < Thorn> and some weird peripherals unavailable in F too
2018-05-11T02:13:43 < Thorn> why is my online DRC not online
2018-05-11T02:14:04 < Thorn> violations aren't being cleared as I fix them
2018-05-11T02:14:09 < englishman> karlp: whats the deal with icelandic yogurt
2018-05-11T02:14:15 < englishman> i tried some and it was great
2018-05-11T02:15:19 < englishman> low power chips are on a smaller process iirc
2018-05-11T02:17:23 < aandrew> yeah. I just need internal osc, i2c and i2s ideally although not a requirement
2018-05-11T02:17:31 < aandrew> ADC if not I2S
2018-05-11T02:24:19 < Thorn> Altium Disaster
2018-05-11T02:24:37 < Thorn> mechanical layers are not visible after you add a polygon, even on a bottom layer
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2018-05-11T02:45:32 < dongs> Thorn: disappointed, it didn't fly
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2018-05-11T02:50:50 < englishman> click on the layer tab
2018-05-11T02:51:09 < englishman> use shift+s to highlight that layer
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2018-05-11T03:03:52 < dongs> so i have a pcb from a jap compressor wiht 7seg and shit on it
2018-05-11T03:03:55 < dongs> and it doesnt turn on
2018-05-11T03:03:58 < dongs> nothing visibly burned
2018-05-11T03:06:43 < dongs> wow there are relays on it
2018-05-11T03:06:49 < dongs> they're like 3mm thin
2018-05-11T03:06:49 < dongs> wtf
2018-05-11T03:06:57 < dongs> i thought those were caps or someshit
2018-05-11T03:08:39 < dongs> G6M-1A
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2018-05-11T03:46:26 < Thorn> altiuming almost complete https://i.imgur.com/O1uNwN8.png
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2018-05-11T04:03:39 < aandrew> Thorn: not bad!
2018-05-11T04:03:46 < karlp> englishman: great, just eat it :)
2018-05-11T04:03:56 < karlp> siggi's skyr?
2018-05-11T04:04:18 < aandrew> layout's reasonable, but you don't have led cathode indicators that I can see
2018-05-11T04:04:53 < Streaker> sweet how flexible relays are. Guaranteed to operate at just 70% of rated voltage, and can be safely used up to 160% of rated voltage.
2018-05-11T04:05:16 < englishman> skyr yes
2018-05-11T04:05:27 < dongs> aandrew: i have a < inside the footprint
2018-05-11T04:05:31 < dongs> towards minus
2018-05-11T04:05:43 < aandrew> for full pro, add fiducuals on the board in three of the corners and layer indicators. Id' also add some identifier in silk for the board name/rev
2018-05-11T04:05:50 < aandrew> I usually do YYYYMMDD as the rev code
2018-05-11T04:05:56 < aandrew> dongs: yep I do something similar
2018-05-11T04:06:20 < dongs> welp i found the problem with this boad
2018-05-11T04:06:21 < aandrew> but I always always always ALWAYS measure the LEDs I'm about to stuff becaue I've been fucked one time when I put like 50 LEDs on the board and the fucking dot on the LED indicated anode
2018-05-11T04:06:25 < aandrew> like wtf srs
2018-05-11T04:06:46 < Streaker> Alibaba LEDs?
2018-05-11T04:06:49 < aandrew> like the led itself had a dot marking anode instead of cathode
2018-05-11T04:06:55 < aandrew> Streaker: no actually, something off digikey
2018-05-11T04:07:03 < Streaker> I thought the dot was a standard
2018-05-11T04:07:48 < aandrew> on cathode yes
2018-05-11T04:08:03 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/MTC9dfu.jpg watcha think
2018-05-11T04:08:11 < aandrew> but these were anode. it wasn't a mistake either the datasheet showed dot on anode, I just did not notice
2018-05-11T04:08:38 < aandrew> dongs:  I see that you cleared the short through judicious use of high current
2018-05-11T04:08:53 < dongs> wasn't me
2018-05-11T04:08:56 < dongs> thats how i found it
2018-05-11T04:09:08 < Streaker> dongs: looks fine. Some carbonization is evident but nothing a wire brush won't fix
2018-05-11T04:09:35 < Streaker> :p
2018-05-11T04:10:09 < dongs> im sure this board failed all sorts of UL tests
2018-05-11T04:10:19 < dongs> 7segment is right on the back of highvoltage section
2018-05-11T04:10:26 < dongs> with all the low voltage lines running across it
2018-05-11T04:12:06 < Streaker> > dongs: nothing visibly burned
2018-05-11T04:12:26 < dongs> well, it was burned under teh socket
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2018-05-11T04:12:39 < dongs> didtn see it until took that shit out
2018-05-11T04:12:42 < englishman> lol i had to fuck with that today
2018-05-11T04:12:47 < aandrew> dongs: what is that from
2018-05-11T04:13:14 < dongs> compressor
2018-05-11T04:13:43 < englishman> 1214-1424-1-ND has notch towards cathode
2018-05-11T04:13:52 < englishman> 475-3279-1-ND has notch towards anode
2018-05-11T04:13:56 < englishman> same footprint
2018-05-11T04:15:13 < Streaker> Is there a reason for that inconsistency?
2018-05-11T04:15:21 < englishman> assholery
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2018-05-11T04:15:28 < dongs> keep make:rs on their toes
2018-05-11T04:15:47 < Streaker> there must be a good reason
2018-05-11T04:16:02 < dongs> why are there 1000 lunix distros
2018-05-11T04:16:12 < englishman> assholery
2018-05-11T04:16:15 < Streaker> nobody will inconvenience their customers so badly unless they have to
2018-05-11T04:19:15 < dongs> https://imgur.com/a/x0QeuMC
2018-05-11T04:20:11 < Streaker> Maybe it's an osram thing. They mark the anode, everyone else marks the cathode?
2018-05-11T04:22:14 < aandrew> dongs: interesting braid holder
2018-05-11T04:22:23 < aandrew> and that panel looks like ti's off a photocopier not a compressor
2018-05-11T04:23:13 < dongs> so the board powers up if I give it 5V on the output of thaqt AC/DC module
2018-05-11T04:23:22 < dongs> so low voltage side is all alive
2018-05-11T04:23:43 < dongs> there's that obviously evaporated trace on the bottom but I donno if fixing it is going to solve the bigger problem
2018-05-11T04:24:04 < dongs> i dont understand why these AC lines are so thin unless they'rre just there to toggle a higher current contractor
2018-05-11T04:24:43 < dongs> relays are rated at 3A 220V AC
2018-05-11T04:26:31 < dongs> wtf is the pitch of this jap concetor
2018-05-11T04:26:35 < dongs> it measures like 4.8mm
2018-05-11T04:26:38 < dongs> is that even a thing
2018-05-11T04:26:44 < Streaker> Judging by the scorch marks I don't think that was a quick failure. probably a loose connector overheating over a long time.
2018-05-11T04:26:46 < dongs> i thought those things were standard 5.08 or someshit
2018-05-11T04:27:35 < englishman> that's a lot of electronics for a compressor
2018-05-11T04:27:58 < dongs> ikr?
2018-05-11T04:28:10 < dongs> all it needs is a fucking pressure switch to turn off when its full
2018-05-11T04:28:19 < englishman> yes
2018-05-11T04:28:24 < englishman> and turn on when low
2018-05-11T04:28:35 < dongs> its hitachi, so they muave have added extra kawaii functions
2018-05-11T04:28:42 < dongs> this thing has a power-on-hours tracker as well
2018-05-11T04:28:59 < englishman> also can be done simply
2018-05-11T04:29:06 < englishman> mechanical or electronic
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2018-05-11T04:29:25 < Streaker> too many connectors as well
2018-05-11T04:29:46 < Streaker> lot more going on there than just a compressor
2018-05-11T04:30:10 < Streaker> I bet this is the controller for dongs' inflatable sex doll
2018-05-11T04:30:32 < englishman> or a blimp
2018-05-11T04:31:55 < dongs> hmm
2018-05-11T04:32:02 < dongs> i cant tell if one of the traceds is supposed to be there or not
2018-05-11T04:32:19 < dongs> the one one the 3rd pin of CN7
2018-05-11T04:32:22 < dongs> 3rd from right
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2018-05-11T04:34:46 < dongs> k, no
2018-05-11T04:35:05 < dongs> so is there such thing as 4.8mm pitch on these dumb connectors
2018-05-11T04:35:54 < dongs> ah its 4mm
2018-05-11T04:38:24 < dongs> orrrr. 3.96?
2018-05-11T04:41:12 < dongs> http://www.jst-mfg.com/product/detail_e.php?series=262
2018-05-11T04:41:13 < dongs> bingo
2018-05-11T04:43:12 < Thorn> aandrew: I have > between diode pads
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2018-05-11T04:59:15 < Thorn> lcsc dispatched my order, false alarm hopefully
2018-05-11T05:00:44 < Thorn> order contains among other things 500 dongs favorite ferrite beads and SMA connectors by RFsister (suc)
2018-05-11T05:01:11 < Thorn> (sic)*
2018-05-11T05:04:54 < dongs> cool
2018-05-11T05:16:37 < aandrew> which are dongs' favourite ferrites? I'm partial to the BLM18/20 series
2018-05-11T05:17:16 < Thorn> also xc6slx16-2ftg256 ($5.something apiece) almost arrived. I wonder if fake or not lol
2018-05-11T05:17:34 < dongs> i think thats kidna espensive
2018-05-11T05:17:36 < dongs> i paid less for mine
2018-05-11T05:18:57 < Thorn> aandrew: https://lcsc.com/product-detail/Ferrite-Beads-And-Chips_120R-25-at100MHz_C108298.html
2018-05-11T05:19:34 < Thorn> digikey has them for $25.55
2018-05-11T05:19:57 < Thorn> not the beads lol
2018-05-11T05:21:04 < aandrew> yeah standard 120 ohm @ 100MHz stuff
2018-05-11T05:21:26 < aandrew> what're you doing with the fpga
2018-05-11T05:25:23 < Thorn> the plans are (1) a dev board (2) logic/usb analyzer and (3) an sdr
2018-05-11T05:25:41 < Thorn> of some sort
2018-05-11T05:25:48 < aandrew> nice
2018-05-11T05:25:54 < aandrew> done much HDL before?
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2018-05-11T05:26:51 < Thorn> not much, uart/spi/i2c level stuff
2018-05-11T05:28:24 < dongs> fcking nice
2018-05-11T05:28:37 < dongs> plugging in ~20 ST DFU devices froze the USB subsystem
2018-05-11T05:31:08 < aandrew> windows is *amaze*
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2018-05-11T07:09:42 < bitmask> what does TIM_OutputState_Enable do
2018-05-11T07:09:58 < bitmask> is that the same as hal's idle state?
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2018-05-11T07:21:54 < upgrdman> :)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eje1RJKKDdw
2018-05-11T07:24:10 < upgrdman> Steffanx ^ are there many idiots like that visiting dutchland?
2018-05-11T07:27:11 < englishman> lol i was really hoping they would grab that baby
2018-05-11T07:27:21 < englishman> probably really delicious
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2018-05-11T09:25:47 < emeb_mac> $5 for xc6slx16 is expensive?
2018-05-11T09:27:16 < emeb_mac> they're like $25 @ DK. Not that DK is super cheap of course...
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2018-05-11T09:29:43 < emeb_mac> I suppose if you buy them off china graymkt they're probably a lot cheaper
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2018-05-11T09:37:00 < emeb_mac> yeah - lots of sellers on aliexpress in the $5 range, but you have to buy a bunch. qty 5-20
2018-05-11T09:38:16 < emeb_mac> lol - seller on aliexpress selling minized boards for $170 - about 2x what I paid for it from Avnet.
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2018-05-11T09:53:39 < Steffanx> An arduino header... Whyyyy?
2018-05-11T09:54:25 < Ultrasauce> it's a leading io standard
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2018-05-11T10:27:50 < gnom> hi all
2018-05-11T10:27:52 < gnom> https://i.imgur.com/9LAhEwL.jpg
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2018-05-11T10:41:28 < Haohmaru> "excuse me mister, will you so kind and take a photo of me and my buddy?"
2018-05-11T10:41:37 < Haohmaru> * be
2018-05-11T10:59:17 < kakimir> are you stvn of what
2018-05-11T11:01:20 < stvn> ?
2018-05-11T11:02:06 < kakimir> just the randomness
2018-05-11T11:03:53 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/bkVpCKH7/IMG_1400.JPG
2018-05-11T11:04:03 < stvn> Here
2018-05-11T11:04:35 < kakimir> 5/5 would pet
2018-05-11T11:19:24 < Steffanx> It wasnt random mr kakimir. You shouldnt leave ##stm32
2018-05-11T11:24:25 < kakimir> I know rite
2018-05-11T11:25:31 < kakimir> oh I read "you should leave"
2018-05-11T11:25:39 < kakimir> still - yeah
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2018-05-11T11:32:02 < Steffanx> Poor kitty. How can you even visit a pet shop, stvn?
2018-05-11T11:32:23 < Steffanx> Or isnt it a pet shop kitty?
2018-05-11T11:45:51 < kakimir> petshop boys
2018-05-11T11:52:28 < stvn> Good kitty
2018-05-11T11:52:35 < stvn> That one was sold
2018-05-11T11:53:06 < stvn> Coilcraft now make drugs
2018-05-11T11:53:37 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/oo5jsWML/cc.PNG
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2018-05-11T12:56:07 < elektrinis> which pins do I need to flash STM32F405?
2018-05-11T12:56:26 < elektrinis> GND+SDWIO+SWCLK ir enough?
2018-05-11T12:56:37 < elektrinis> or do I also need RST?
2018-05-11T12:59:00 < jpa-> you need NRST to recover from some situations (such as code that immediately goes to low-power state on boot)
2018-05-11T12:59:01 < Thorn> you should not need /RST unless SWD pins have been remapped or the chip is in sleep/stop mode
2018-05-11T12:59:13 < jpa-> but normally gnd+swdio+swclk should be enough
2018-05-11T13:02:23 < elektrinis> thanks
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2018-05-11T13:19:45 < kakimir> some times if code faults you need rst too?
2018-05-11T13:20:03 < kakimir> in some chips
2018-05-11T13:20:18 < kakimir> with lpc11 I need to use isp pin when code shits
2018-05-11T13:21:06 < Thorn> you mean you can't use swd?
2018-05-11T13:21:21 < kakimir> debugger can not find the target
2018-05-11T13:21:35 < kakimir> even datasheet says to leave isp pin exposed in case you fuck up
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2018-05-11T13:21:54 < zyp> what's isp?
2018-05-11T13:22:08 < kakimir> launch bootloader
2018-05-11T13:22:51 < kakimir> it doesn't fault so debugger can take over
2018-05-11T13:23:04 < Thorn> zyp: it's like boot0
2018-05-11T13:23:56 < Thorn> but it is weird unless you use sleep modes or remap swd as I said
2018-05-11T13:24:23 < zyp> lpc being weird is no news
2018-05-11T13:25:10 < kakimir> this is only for lpc11xx series maybe lpc800
2018-05-11T13:25:17 < kakimir> lpc15xx no problemo
2018-05-11T13:27:10 < Steffanx> With lpc17xx you can lock yourself out by doing some wrong clock settings. Especially nice when the isp pin is not connected and the package is BGA.
2018-05-11T13:27:23 < kakimir> okay
2018-05-11T13:27:25 < kakimir> same deal
2018-05-11T13:28:52 < Steffanx> I did that, when i prototyped on some 1768 ( or something ) and than ran the same code on some 1778.  And the hw engineer was too stubborn to make hte isp pin accessible.
2018-05-11T13:29:15 < Thorn> nice. isn't the debug port supposed to be clocked by the debugger?
2018-05-11T13:29:24 < Steffanx> lpc is weird.
2018-05-11T13:29:59 < kakimir> wait but... maybe they fixed the thing with lpc15
2018-05-11T13:30:06 < Steffanx> Like when you configure the MAC clock without an actual clock being available, the mcu will lockup. 
2018-05-11T13:30:08 < kakimir> lpc17 is old tech
2018-05-11T13:30:16 < Steffanx> Lock up as in real lockup. No jtag/swd either.
2018-05-11T13:30:38 < Steffanx> A nice documented feature.
2018-05-11T13:30:48 < kakimir> I have never ran into lock up issue with lpc15 and it doesn't have datasheet mention about it
2018-05-11T13:31:04 < kakimir> it's not well documented in case of LPC11xx
2018-05-11T13:31:22 < kakimir> just debugging connection diagram that has ISP pin marked
2018-05-11T13:31:39 < kakimir> and asterix leave isp pin exposed blaj
2018-05-11T13:31:41 < kakimir> blah
2018-05-11T13:31:49 < kakimir> that's all
2018-05-11T13:32:51 < Steffanx> Just dont use lpc whenever you can :P
2018-05-11T13:33:50 < Steffanx> Today i spotted an stm32f091 in a real china product today. Even the chinese know what mcu they should use.
2018-05-11T13:34:15 < Steffanx> -today
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2018-05-11T13:38:58 < kakimir> because of that *feature
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2018-05-11T15:00:51 < Ecco> Hey! Have you guys ever ran code from RAM using OpenOCD?
2018-05-11T15:01:12 < Ecco> Also, if I boot into the system ROM, I can't seem to be able to "leave" it using openocd, I need to do a hardware reset of the device. Is that normal?
2018-05-11T15:01:58 < Ecco> (e.g.: Boot in system rom, break using gdb, send new firmware to flash, "monitor reset" -> CPU's still executing code from 0x1FFFFFFFF which is the bootloader's)
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2018-05-11T15:19:16 < zyp> boot0 still high?
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2018-05-11T16:23:16 < kakimir> is it okay to set deep sleep flag in initialization if no other sleep types are used?
2018-05-11T16:23:30 < kakimir> or always just before calling __WFI();
2018-05-11T16:37:49 < kakimir> is it true that you can keep debugging to see wakeup interrupt even?
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2018-05-11T17:04:16 < kakimir> can I create macro if condition between 2 defines
2018-05-11T17:04:27 < kakimir> one of defines is just redefine of another
2018-05-11T17:04:49 < kakimir> in this case I have timer I use for a thing defined in board.h
2018-05-11T17:05:01 < kakimir> in code I want to check between 2 timers
2018-05-11T17:05:12 < kakimir> and implement the right one
2018-05-11T17:05:24 < kakimir> build time preffered
2018-05-11T17:05:56 < Steffanx> as in #if a == b && c == d #define bla #endif? 
2018-05-11T17:06:30 < Steffanx> not sure what you want mr kakimir
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2018-05-11T17:07:38 < kakimir> I have #define FUNCTIONBLAH_TIMER_PERIPHERAL LPC_TMR16B0
2018-05-11T17:07:45 < kakimir> in board.h
2018-05-11T17:08:18 < kakimir> in one initialization code I want to check if to implement LPC_TMR16B0 code or LPC_TMR32B0 code
2018-05-11T17:08:55 < jpa-> what is type of LPC_TMR16B0?
2018-05-11T17:10:26 < kakimir> LPC_TMR_TypeDef
2018-05-11T17:10:43 < jpa-> not easily then
2018-05-11T17:11:02 < kakimir> you imply it's not impossible?
2018-05-11T17:12:01 < jpa-> you can do stupid stuff like    #define LPC_TMR16B0 1  #if TMR == LPC_TMR16B0   ...   #endif  #undefine LPC_TMR16B0
2018-05-11T17:12:37 < jpa-> or #define _LPC_TMR16B0 1  #if _ ## TMR == _LPC_TMR16B0 ... #endif
2018-05-11T17:13:00 < kakimir> but LPC_TMR16B0 is already defined
2018-05-11T17:13:32 < kakimir> and I need it inside the macro too
2018-05-11T17:13:53 < kakimir> time for nasty trick?
2018-05-11T17:14:31 < kakimir> hmm maybe it makes sense to create new define for timers
2018-05-11T17:14:37 < kakimir> with _
2018-05-11T17:16:03 < jpa-> you could just use a normal if if it is inside a function
2018-05-11T17:16:08 < jpa-> compiler will optimize it away
2018-05-11T17:16:59 < kakimir> a normal?
2018-05-11T17:17:24 < kakimir> you mean I do normal if condition
2018-05-11T17:17:31 < kakimir> good idea
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2018-05-11T17:35:14 < Thorn> if constexpr
2018-05-11T17:39:23 < kakimir> yes
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2018-05-11T17:49:01 < Steffanx> c++ much.
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2018-05-11T17:51:40 < bitmask> hal blows, why is there no documentation at all
2018-05-11T17:55:46 < Steffanx> Welcome in 2018. Where you have to read on imgur that The Expanse is not renewed for a 4th season. 
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2018-05-11T17:57:48 < Ultrasauce> still havent gotten around to reading all the books
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2018-05-11T18:19:05 < bitmask> what is the recommended way to figure out if the auto reload register is enabled for a timer
2018-05-11T18:19:30 < bitmask> debugging microcontrollers isnt one of my strengths
2018-05-11T18:21:52 < bitmask> I'm using keil
2018-05-11T18:26:16 < Steffanx> keil.ru cannot debug that.
2018-05-11T18:31:10 < Steffanx> the usual way is to open the datasheet and the registers and check bitmask
2018-05-11T18:31:56 < Thorn> bitmask: you mean check whether the APRE flag is set?
2018-05-11T18:32:02 < bitmask> yes
2018-05-11T18:32:08 < bitmask> I dont know if hal does this automatically
2018-05-11T18:32:14 < bitmask> I cant find any reference to it
2018-05-11T18:32:21 < Steffanx> keil has a "live" register view right?
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2018-05-11T18:32:35 < bitmask> and dont see an autoreload preload enable shit
2018-05-11T18:32:41 < bitmask> does it?
2018-05-11T18:32:47 < bitmask> how do you use it
2018-05-11T18:32:47 < Thorn> a gui debugger should make it easy to do, just find the peripheral and the register in the list
2018-05-11T18:33:21 < bitmask> you have to run in debug mode right? I think I tried that once but it caused the program size to go over the 32k limit possibly but i'll try again
2018-05-11T18:33:29 < Steffanx> idk where it is in keil. you need englishman, dongs or .. for keil
2018-05-11T18:34:05 < Thorn> no you don't need debug mode
2018-05-11T18:34:21 < bitmask> oh ok cool
2018-05-11T18:34:43 < bitmask> i ported my ws2812 code to hal yesterday and just have a few final things to figure out, gotta go for now though, bbl
2018-05-11T18:34:50 < Thorn> just press the stop button in the debugger when you're sure your init code has completed
2018-05-11T18:35:07 < Steffanx> Why you moved to keil bitmask? And that run into the 32k limit?
2018-05-11T18:35:12 < Thorn> and go look at registers
2018-05-11T18:35:14 < Steffanx> Didnt like TrueStudio?
2018-05-11T18:35:24 < bitmask> didnt try truestudio, maybe i will
2018-05-11T18:35:56 < bitmask> cya
2018-05-11T18:36:26 < bitmask> Steffanx did you see my 40 hour print result?
2018-05-11T18:36:46 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/DW7BUUM
2018-05-11T18:36:55 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/H7SrgM7.png
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2018-05-11T18:45:55 < srk> use a bigger nozzle :P
2018-05-11T18:46:31 < stvn> do it like a white man
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2018-05-11T21:08:41 < Thorn> oh no altium is infected with the dicktrace disease
2018-05-11T21:12:44 < englishman> is it now free for under 500 pins
2018-05-11T21:15:06 < Thorn> when you copy/paste a via it does not remember its net connection
2018-05-11T21:24:59 < jpa-> eh.. board all routed, open up 3d viewer.. doh  https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/connector.png
2018-05-11T21:26:09 < englishman> right
2018-05-11T21:27:18 < Thorn> a pgmr friend recently asked me why you need 3d view in eda software. can I show him your pic lol
2018-05-11T21:27:31 < jpa-> go ahead
2018-05-11T21:27:43 < englishman> nice
2018-05-11T21:28:04 < englishman> but if you had the 3d model for the switch that would not have passed drc
2018-05-11T21:28:35 < jpa-> as if kicad had 3d drc :P
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2018-05-11T21:38:15 < emeb> "eyeball DRC"
2018-05-11T21:38:31 < invzim> 3d trick I picked up from a recent mistake is to ALWAYS put cables in your connectors
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2018-05-11T21:43:26 < srk> that 3d viewer is pretty cool https://github.com/distrap/distrap-hw/blob/master/stmstamp/pics/board3d.jpg
2018-05-11T21:44:05 < srk> you can export to meshlab and compose multiple boards
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2018-05-11T22:22:45 < bitmask> woohoo ws2812 dma transfer just about working
2018-05-11T22:25:41 < aandrew> invzim: how do you do that with the models?
2018-05-11T22:26:05 < aandrew> Thorn: no it won't remember the old signal name which has both plusses and minues
2018-05-11T22:26:08 < aandrew> I minuses
2018-05-11T22:26:31 < aandrew> I do like how it will assign the net if it hits a track or pad, but it sucks that it won't pick up the poly you just put it on
2018-05-11T22:29:32 < invzim> aandrew: just place a 3d body in the library part and stuff it where it belongs?
2018-05-11T22:44:51 < Thorn> T-30 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQEqKZ7CJlk
2018-05-11T22:48:19 < aandrew> invzim: no I thought he was adding wire to the 3d model
2018-05-11T22:56:15 < Steffanx> ah ty Thorn
2018-05-11T22:56:19 < Steffanx> Dont fall asleep
2018-05-11T22:56:32  * Thorn snoring
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2018-05-11T23:05:26 < Steffanx> wakey wakey stvn
2018-05-11T23:12:13 < Steffanx> T-2 min :o
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2018-05-11T23:12:29 < Ultrasauce> almost to my favourite part, the hold
2018-05-11T23:13:15 < Steffanx> such negativity mr Ultrasauce
2018-05-11T23:14:05 < BrainDamage> mine is when it blows up
2018-05-11T23:14:37 < Steffanx> its all a computer animation
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2018-05-11T23:19:39 < Steffanx> you guys must be disappointed
2018-05-11T23:19:54 < BrainDamage> I am
2018-05-11T23:23:12 < Steffanx> and it even landed. It's a sad day right?
2018-05-11T23:23:43 < Ultrasauce> its ok they lost video telemetry thats good enough for me
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2018-05-11T23:54:56 < Cracki> oh heck it's the second launch window now!
2018-05-11T23:55:26 < Cracki> and... over
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2018-05-12T00:41:52 < Steffanx> im not sure what that is supposed to be superbia
2018-05-12T00:41:54 < Steffanx> home?
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2018-05-12T00:44:12 < Steffanx> Welcome home then
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2018-05-12T03:02:56 < stvn> get back in the kitchen!
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2018-05-12T03:31:35 < stvn> The four children were ­believed to have had autism.
2018-05-12T03:32:02 < stvn> Farmer Joe in the United States of Australia went on a killing spree
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2018-05-12T04:34:43 < branjb> damn HDPE makes a mess
2018-05-12T04:34:44 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/fS3yJ8p
2018-05-12T04:48:03 < Thorn> altium disaster
2018-05-12T04:48:23 < Thorn> can't see schlibs in search paths, only pcblibs. wtf
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2018-05-12T05:05:26 < englishman> lol
2018-05-12T05:05:46 < englishman> wut
2018-05-12T05:08:09 < Thorn> I even tried the *.SchLib pattern, found nothing
2018-05-12T05:08:24 < Thorn> I have to add my libs to every project as project libs
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2018-05-12T05:21:41 < englishman> i just put them in the global index
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2018-05-12T06:03:33 < stvn> BZB microcontrollers with bonar(r) technology
2018-05-12T06:35:47 < branjb> BZB has moved into uC market?
2018-05-12T06:39:21 < emeb_mac> lol - watching cheesy movie filmed in dutch-land.
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2018-05-12T08:32:17 < stvn> https://i.imgur.com/prgmmwJ.jpg
2018-05-12T08:39:12 < stvn> god is in his holy temple
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2018-05-12T12:49:42 < stvn>  does anybody know how to implement IIR gangsacking filter
2018-05-12T12:51:02 < BrainDamage> it's all in the accumulatorzzz
2018-05-12T12:52:10 < ReadErr> stvn: 
2018-05-12T12:52:21 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nEGrdXF7wc&feature=em-uploademail
2018-05-12T12:52:30 < antto> you take two gangsacks, then you slap them forever so they never stop responding
2018-05-12T12:52:43 < antto> and that's for a 2-pole filter
2018-05-12T12:53:20 < stvn> my attempt to ask an unanswerable question has yielding very amusing answers
2018-05-12T12:53:21 < antto> as you can see, i know some DSP
2018-05-12T12:53:26 < stvn> ty
2018-05-12T12:54:01 < ReadErr> click my link stvn 
2018-05-12T12:54:15 < antto> is it a trap?
2018-05-12T12:54:23 < Steffanx> I think stvn is also bi-polar.
2018-05-12T12:54:34 < Steffanx> I know my dsp too 
2018-05-12T12:56:36 < stvn> wtf is that vid
2018-05-12T12:57:24 < ReadErr> stvn: someone showing up
2018-05-12T12:57:28 < ReadErr> at ice's airbnb
2018-05-12T12:57:30 < Steffanx> Should i know that ice from something?
2018-05-12T12:57:32 < ReadErr> for a bzb mower
2018-05-12T12:57:35 < ReadErr> (lrh)
2018-05-12T12:57:40 < stvn> oh for a bzb?
2018-05-12T12:57:47 < ReadErr> ya automatic mower
2018-05-12T12:57:51 < stvn> with the neural net processor, a learning computer?
2018-05-12T12:58:17 < ReadErr> yea, only one problem, it chases black people
2018-05-12T12:59:09 < stvn> LOL
2018-05-12T12:59:22 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFOBMuVyHBU
2018-05-12T12:59:53 < ReadErr> oh that girl is nuts
2018-05-12T13:00:05 < stvn> 7 times crazier than terry
2018-05-12T13:00:46 < Steffanx> I guess this is one of those videos.. something that was only funny at the time, for the ones actually there.
2018-05-12T13:00:58 < ReadErr> yea 
2018-05-12T13:01:07 < ReadErr> Jordan = lil jordy = fake hacker fag from efnet
2018-05-12T13:02:35 < stvn> wut is he
2018-05-12T13:02:47 < stvn> one of those ppl on the lawnmower vid?
2018-05-12T13:04:16 < ReadErr> the guy 
2018-05-12T13:04:20 < ReadErr> showing up to the airbnb
2018-05-12T13:04:23 < ReadErr> was sent by l0de
2018-05-12T13:04:25 < ReadErr> from a CL ad
2018-05-12T13:04:41 < ReadErr> he did 20 years in prison for meth
2018-05-12T13:04:47 < ReadErr> about murdered that black kid
2018-05-12T13:06:05 < stvn> another day in paradise
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2018-05-12T13:12:11 < Steffanx> Are you a nigger ReadErr ?
2018-05-12T13:12:24 < ReadErr> yea
2018-05-12T13:12:29 < Steffanx> CIA perhaps?
2018-05-12T13:12:54 < Steffanx> stvn likes CIA niggers.
2018-05-12T13:14:41 < Hamilton> I plan to dual-boot win7 with Ubuntu. Can you suggest how much space is needed for ubuntu partition (Considering Eclipse/gcc and other embedded dev. utilities should be in ubuntu partition)?
2018-05-12T13:14:44 < stvn> no that was gayniggers steffan
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2018-05-12T13:14:59 < stvn> Hamilton: you ever mixed clean water with your own piss?
2018-05-12T13:15:19 < Hamilton> stvn, :)
2018-05-12T13:15:21 < stvn> cause that's what dual booting is doing
2018-05-12T13:15:29 < Steffanx> 20-40G should do for thr basic stufd.
2018-05-12T13:15:34 < ReadErr> i dont glow ;(
2018-05-12T13:15:39 < Steffanx> More is better ofcourse
2018-05-12T13:16:36 < Hamilton> Steffanx, So say 50GB for ubuntu's all apt-gets and OS stuff...then a separate NTFS partition for shared data?
2018-05-12T13:16:55 < Steffanx> Should work. 
2018-05-12T13:17:01 < Hamilton> Can the same Eclipse installation be accessed in both Win7 and Ubuntu?
2018-05-12T13:17:11 < Steffanx> Probably not
2018-05-12T13:17:24 < Steffanx> Not sure if you can share the workspace
2018-05-12T13:17:48 < Hamilton> Does't Eclipse store all its things locally in a specific directory?
2018-05-12T13:18:03 < Hamilton> So in theory if that directory resides in a NTFS, it should work?
2018-05-12T13:18:25 < Steffanx> Usually in your project or workspace settings.
2018-05-12T13:18:57 < Hamilton> Steffanx, Can I ask what is your embedded toolchain and OS is like?
2018-05-12T13:19:07 < Steffanx> Windows atm
2018-05-12T13:19:14 < Hamilton> And IDE?
2018-05-12T13:19:40 < Steffanx> No specific one.
2018-05-12T13:19:46 < Hamilton> So as I suspected, there is no getting away from Windows
2018-05-12T13:19:54 < stvn> i got kicked from ubuntu because i asked for keygens for ubuntu
2018-05-12T13:19:58 < Hamilton> But again, for things like ESP8266, Ubuntu is easier
2018-05-12T13:20:07 < Hamilton> (or only option)
2018-05-12T13:20:08 < stvn> and wanted to know where i could download a swap partition
2018-05-12T13:20:30 < Steffanx> Lol for real steven? Good pumping, kumpel
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2018-05-12T13:23:14 < stvn> oh yeah, i'll check my stroopwafel stockpile while i remember
2018-05-12T13:24:51 < stvn> 12 wafel
2018-05-12T13:30:00 < stvn> i have until 18-09-2018 to consume these wafel
2018-05-12T13:32:20 < stvn> Hamilton: i'm upgrading my linux machine to 18.04 lts
2018-05-12T13:33:58 < Hamilton> stvn, Currently I'm really struggling to set up my *one true* OS/Toolchain...I've tested Keil, IAR, Code Composer...But I really like to just stick to Eclipse + MCU plugins (or vim/gcc/make)
2018-05-12T13:34:31 < stvn> yeah i tried the 4 that my 'stm32f4 disco kit' came with and ended up favouring keil
2018-05-12T13:34:55 < stvn> that would have been 2012
2018-05-12T13:35:00 < Hamilton> But again, I'm repeatedly wondering that some apps are windows only...So does it even worth the effort going full-linux
2018-05-12T13:35:54 < Hamilton> It seems for ESP stuff I need ubuntu
2018-05-12T13:36:28 < stvn> there are plenty here using linux based toolchains
2018-05-12T13:38:22 < stvn> given the right time of day you'll witness the linux vs windows war
2018-05-12T13:38:44 < stvn> bionic beaver - is that some type of artificial vagina.....
2018-05-12T13:41:05 < Hamilton> stvn, Reminds me of an episode of Rick and Morty (space hospital)
2018-05-12T13:41:31 < stvn> ah
2018-05-12T13:41:44 < stvn> i like the australian version of rick and morty
2018-05-12T13:42:00 < Hamilton> stvn, yeah watched it...was really funny :D
2018-05-12T13:42:07 < Hamilton> Me hubby's dead
2018-05-12T13:42:14 < stvn> that reminds me of my neighbours across the road
2018-05-12T13:42:18 < stvn> GET IN THE FUCKING CAR MORTY
2018-05-12T13:42:28 < Hamilton> CA
2018-05-12T13:42:42 < stvn> cyanoacrylate?
2018-05-12T13:44:48 < Hamilton> ? CAR -> *CA
2018-05-12T13:46:11 < Hamilton> wait, I faintly remember ubuntu had two versions one non-LTS and one LTS
2018-05-12T13:46:26 < Hamilton> And now there is only one version...strange
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2018-05-12T14:12:29 < stvn> does anyone have any u235 just floating about?
2018-05-12T14:13:14 < stvn> ah shit he left...
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2018-05-12T14:13:58 < Steffanx> You know the  U-235 sunk right?
2018-05-12T14:15:20 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1gaylKtM0s
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2018-05-12T15:26:19 < Steffanx> Welcome kikkel
2018-05-12T15:26:43 < kakimir> you know what it means
2018-05-12T15:28:25 < Steffanx> I dont kakimir 
2018-05-12T15:29:11 < kakimir> willie
2018-05-12T15:29:19 < kakimir> kikkeli = willie
2018-05-12T15:32:45 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJMnmlPVkZ8
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2018-05-12T16:14:09 < Steffanx> Welcome superbia 
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2018-05-12T17:15:40 < Steffanx> You can do it: http://connected.arrow.com/indiegogo-arduino-challenge
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2018-05-12T17:50:30 < aandrew> ok stupid stm32 pwm question
2018-05-12T17:50:43 < jpa-> you're lucky, i have a few stupid answers at the ready
2018-05-12T17:50:52 < aandrew> the output is high until count > value, then goes low for remainder of period
2018-05-12T17:50:59 < aandrew> any way to reverse that easily?
2018-05-12T17:51:09 < aandrew> I know advanced timers have complementary outputs but dont' want to remap shit
2018-05-12T17:51:25 < aandrew> switching to a downcounter rather htan upcounter might do it
2018-05-12T17:51:26 < jpa-> switch from PWM mode 1 to PWM mode 2?
2018-05-12T17:51:33 < aandrew> brb looking up mode #s
2018-05-12T17:52:49 < jpa-> it won't be exact complement though, because cnt == ccr is always the same as cnt > ccr
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2018-05-12T17:53:38 < invzim> gah, too many 3.5mm audio jack models.  Anyone got a good part#? (easily sourcable/china cloned, 3d model available)
2018-05-12T17:54:22 < aandrew> yes I do
2018-05-12T17:54:23 < aandrew> one moment
2018-05-12T17:56:47 < aandrew> invzim: digikey CP1-3515SJDKR-ND
2018-05-12T17:56:59 < aandrew> altium has the footprint for it IIRC
2018-05-12T17:57:08 < aandrew> they do for 2.5mm for sure (I accidentally placed that, doh)
2018-05-12T17:57:32 < invzim> thanks!
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2018-05-12T17:59:06 < aandrew> beware, the 2.5 and 3.5mm footprints are *close* but not exact
2018-05-12T17:59:44 < aandrew> you can make the 3.5mm part fit on the 2.5mm footprint by knocking off one of the plastic pins on the bottom of the part (2.5mm has them spaced 1mm closer than then 3.5mm part) but the pads will solder and work otherwise
2018-05-12T17:59:56 < invzim> I'll knock up my own footprint
2018-05-12T17:59:59 < invzim> https://lcsc.com/product-detail/Audio-Connectors_15-0mm-9-5mm_C92633.html
2018-05-12T18:00:49 < aandrew> I gotta check out this lscc website
2018-05-12T18:00:53 < aandrew> that's the second time it's been referenced here
2018-05-12T18:01:08 < aandrew> I like that connector because it's got the switches as well
2018-05-12T18:01:17 < aandrew> and you can use similar parts without switches if not necessary
2018-05-12T18:01:52 < jpa-> i should probably use that also, instead of the through hole shit i've been planning
2018-05-12T18:02:01 < aandrew> got my fpga routing the pwm pulse correctly, now just need to dick with things a little more
2018-05-12T18:02:21 < aandrew> jpa-: it's funny, I typically prefer TH for any kind of connector because people are gorillas
2018-05-12T18:02:43 < jpa-> same, but on the other hand assembly is much easier with smd
2018-05-12T18:02:45 < aandrew> I chose that connector because it was available and NOT TH
2018-05-12T18:03:44 < aandrew> https://i.imgur.com/G4WFyPx.jpg that was a royal PITA to hand solder
2018-05-12T18:03:54 < aandrew> all those 1.25mm headers
2018-05-12T18:04:46 < aandrew> I found a good way to cheat though. I soldered up one of the little boards that plugs on to those headers, then take the 1x5 and 1x2 pins, stuck them in the module, inserted the whole thing into the large PCB there and soldered it
2018-05-12T18:04:56 < aandrew> pins are all straight :-)
2018-05-12T18:05:33 < aandrew> those banana jacks (upper left and right) are nice too, but digikey also sells short versions which I don't know how they'd be useful
2018-05-12T18:05:47 < aandrew> the banana jack flares out and the short ones end before the flaring
2018-05-12T18:06:04 < aandrew> maybe a mounting thing when the PCB is several mm away from the insertion plane
2018-05-12T18:06:51 < aandrew> also shame on stmicro for giving us those two 2x36 headers and then soldering a shorting jumper into the last two pins >:-(
2018-05-12T18:08:15 < aandrew> jpa-: so PWM mode 0 = edge aligned, mode 1 = center aligned?
2018-05-12T18:08:36 < aandrew> er no, it seems that is mode 1
2018-05-12T18:08:52 < aandrew> "n the following example, we consider PWM mode 1. The reference PWM signal OCxREF is high as long as TIMx_CNT < TIMx_CCRx else it becomes low."
2018-05-12T18:15:10 < jpa-> aandrew: look at the table in the description of CCMR1
2018-05-12T18:15:39 < jpa-> PWM mode 1 is "active while CNT<CCR", PWM mode 2 is "inactive while CNT<CCR"
2018-05-12T18:16:13 < jpa-> either of those can be made edge- or middle-aligned, depending on whether the timer is up-, down- or updown counting
2018-05-12T18:16:33 < aandrew> PWM mode 1 - In upcounting, channel 1 is active as long as TIMx_CNT<TIMx_CCR1 else inactive.
2018-05-12T18:16:41 < aandrew> PWM mode 2 - In upcounting, channel 1 is inactive as long as TIMx_CNT<TIMx_CCR1 else active.
2018-05-12T18:16:50 < aandrew> yeah they're just opposite
2018-05-12T18:16:52 < aandrew> perfect
2018-05-12T18:16:56 < aandrew> so mode 2 not mode 1
2018-05-12T18:17:06 < aandrew> (I was confused because I was going off of "mode 0" vs "mode 1" in my head
2018-05-12T18:18:06 < aandrew> I guess I could also invert the OC polarity but this makes more sense
2018-05-12T18:18:19 < aandrew> thanks jpa- 
2018-05-12T18:20:56 < jpa-> ah, yeah, there is the polarity bit also
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2018-05-12T21:08:40 < Thorn> do I need to create a component if I want a mounting hole?
2018-05-12T21:08:49 < Thorn> Altium Disaster
2018-05-12T21:09:44 < jpa-> usually makes sense to have a component for that anyway, so that you can mark e.g. how much space to reserve for the screw head
2018-05-12T21:11:00 < aandrew> You can just place a hole or pad, but I have various mounting holes as components
2018-05-12T21:11:04 < Thorn> will I have to add it to the schematics?
2018-05-12T21:11:54 < Thorn> or can I add a component to the PCB without DRC complaining / auto sync removing it
2018-05-12T21:12:23 < Steffanx> i often see people add it to the schematic as well. in altidongs schematics
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2018-05-12T21:32:33 < aandrew> I always have it in the schematic
2018-05-12T21:32:44 < aandrew> drives me crazy when people add shit to the board that's not in the schematic
2018-05-12T21:32:50 < aandrew> I have mounting holes, fiducials, etc. in schematic
2018-05-12T21:32:58 < aandrew> they're marked as non-BOM but they're there
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2018-05-12T21:33:39 < rene-dev_> jpa- there is a polarity bit in the output compare
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2018-05-12T21:34:10 < aandrew> rene-dev_: we know :-)
2018-05-12T21:35:40 < rene-dev_> wasnt sure if you figured it out :D
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2018-05-12T21:45:06 < aandrew> it seems to me that the difference between Mode 1 PWM inverted and Mode 2 PWM is the difference of one count
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2018-05-12T21:45:55 < aandrew> er no, should be the same
2018-05-12T21:45:57 < aandrew> no difference
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2018-05-12T21:49:42 < jpa-> aandrew: IMO there is one count of difference
2018-05-12T21:50:01 < aandrew> jpa-: I thought there might be as well
2018-05-12T21:50:03 < aandrew> but from above
2018-05-12T21:50:09 < aandrew> 11:17 < aandrew> PWM mode 1 - In upcounting, channel 1 is active as long as TIMx_CNT<TIMx_CCR1 else inactive.
2018-05-12T21:50:12 < jpa-> hmm yeah
2018-05-12T21:50:12 < aandrew> 11:18 < aandrew> PWM mode 2 - In upcounting, channel 1 is inactive as long as TIMx_CNT<TIMx_CCR1 else active.
2018-05-12T21:50:23 < aandrew> the case is the same, so inverted 1 should be identical to 2
2018-05-12T21:50:39 < jpa-> yeah, indeed it is exact inverse
2018-05-12T21:50:50 < jpa-> not sure why i've always thought there is one count of difference
2018-05-12T21:51:11 < aandrew> what I find interesting is that I have the PWM output going itno an FPGA
2018-05-12T21:51:21 < aandrew> the FPGA naturally has a synchronizer on that signal
2018-05-12T21:52:01 < aandrew> I can actually see 1T of jitter as the signal asynchronously wanders over the tick period
2018-05-12T21:52:30 < zyp> jpa-, I also thought it was one count difference, i.e. > vs <
2018-05-12T21:52:43 < jpa-> i usually try to clock fpga from MCO to make things synchronous
2018-05-12T21:52:53 < aandrew> jpa-: not required here but yes
2018-05-12T21:52:55 < zyp> so the == case being different
2018-05-12T21:53:43 < aandrew> this is just for experimentation. the real version of this system will have the FPGA doing the pulse generation 
2018-05-12T21:54:30 < aandrew> and I'll use an F2 MAC-connected ot the FPGA or maybe just an F030 over SPI to handle housekeeping
2018-05-12T21:54:42 < aandrew> the FPGA will be connected directly to ethernet (PTP)
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2018-05-12T22:18:40 < aandrew> hm there must be a difference between mode 1 and mode 2 beyond the inversion
2018-05-12T22:18:49 < aandrew> because that can be achieved with only inversion 
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2018-05-12T22:39:34 < aandrew> hm, I think I want OPM rather than PWM
2018-05-12T22:40:50 < aandrew> I want to control both the start and duration of the pulse *and* synchronize that pulse with other pulses
2018-05-12T22:41:03 < aandrew> although I can probably get away with a lot of this by using only one timer and multiple outputs
2018-05-12T22:41:32 < rene-dev_> jpa- thats the channel only. what the channel then does to the pin is a different setting. you can always invert there.
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2018-05-13T00:14:14 < R0b0t1> Using OpenOCD I find that a CubeMX project drops me into Infinite_Loop
2018-05-13T00:14:43 < R0b0t1> In the WWDG_IRQHandler
2018-05-13T00:18:28 < R0b0t1> Okay, MX_I2C1_Init was failing for some reason
2018-05-13T00:18:29 < R0b0t1> Werid
2018-05-13T00:18:31 < R0b0t1> WeirD*
2018-05-13T00:18:33 < R0b0t1> Weird*
2018-05-13T00:18:37 < R0b0t1> Had anyone ever encountered that?
2018-05-13T00:18:40 < R0b0t1> I get another error
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2018-05-13T00:44:02 < upgrdman> bike pros: if i want a quick release for the front wheel, can that be added to any bike, or does the frame or wheel need to be designed for it?
2018-05-13T00:50:32 < rene-dev_> not frame does not, but the hub does.
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2018-05-13T02:13:54 < karlp> if you have a bike that doesn't have a quick release, you probably want to look at the whole bike....
2018-05-13T02:14:13 < karlp> jpa-/kakimir: yo were robbed.
2018-05-13T02:14:47 < kakimir> who were
2018-05-13T02:17:53 < branjb> why have 608z bearings gone up so much in price?
2018-05-13T02:19:57 < karlp> because they're made out of barium titanate?
2018-05-13T02:20:43 < kakimir> branjb, why would any price change
2018-05-13T02:21:26 < branjb> supply and demand blahblah
2018-05-13T02:24:13 < kakimir> you can pick up yours degree of economics
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2018-05-13T03:07:56 < stvn> I HAVE A DEGREE IN IRC
2018-05-13T03:10:58 < kakimir> the highest degree
2018-05-13T03:11:17 < kakimir> sleep>
2018-05-13T03:24:12 < Thorn__> has anyone used Vddio2 (i.e. powered it with a different voltage than the rest of the mcu) in f0?
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2018-05-13T04:10:31 < R0b0t1> Hello, anyone know why HAL_Delay(250) would delay forever?
2018-05-13T04:10:35 < R0b0t1> It looks like PC does not increment
2018-05-13T04:10:39 < R0b0t1> Would this mean an issue with interrupts?
2018-05-13T04:11:07 < R0b0t1> I also can't enable either the I2C1 peripheral or USART2
2018-05-13T04:14:58 < R0b0t1> I'm single stepping through the code but it doesn't give me much to go on
2018-05-13T04:15:04 < R0b0t1> Using a CubeMX project
2018-05-13T04:15:06  * R0b0t1 sighs
2018-05-13T04:15:33 < R0b0t1> Only reason I am using a CubeMX project is because opencm3 doesn't support STM32L4 parts yet. Except, maybe CubeMX doesn't either?
2018-05-13T04:21:03 < R0b0t1> It looks like HAL_GetTick is always zero
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2018-05-13T04:51:21 < Thorn> R0b0t1: are you calling the tick update function in your systick interrupt?
2018-05-13T04:51:55 < R0b0t1> Why would I supply a systick update interrupt? One should be provided by the libraries and is
2018-05-13T04:52:20 < Thorn> iirc it's autogenerated but it's in your code
2018-05-13T04:52:29 < R0b0t1> It's not in my code
2018-05-13T04:52:41 < Thorn> sounds like a problem then
2018-05-13T04:53:01 < R0b0t1> No, it's in CubeMX
2018-05-13T04:54:22 < Thorn> extern "C" void SysTick_Handler() { HAL_IncTick(); } <-- have this?
2018-05-13T04:55:02 < R0b0t1> If I add it I get "multiple definition of SysTick_Handler"
2018-05-13T04:55:13 < R0b0t1> Original definition in stm32l4xx.it.c
2018-05-13T04:55:21 < R0b0t1> stm32l4xx_it.c*
2018-05-13T04:56:00 < R0b0t1> And yes it has HAL_IncTick in it
2018-05-13T04:56:10 < upgrdman> decided to buy a bike today. pretty happy with it so far.   http://www.farrellf.com/temp/trek_marlin_5.jpg
2018-05-13T04:56:19 < R0b0t1> Also HAL_SYSTICK_IRQHandler which is apparently what you're supposed to use
2018-05-13T04:57:33 < upgrdman> at the bike shop they let me test run the bike before buying it. had not ridden a bike in ~15 years. damn that was embarrassing. i never fell off the bike, but damn i looked clumsy as fuck for the first half km.
2018-05-13T04:58:23 < upgrdman> but wtf. TIL some bikes are sold without kickstands.
2018-05-13T04:59:35 < R0b0t1> Still stuck in HAL_GetTick
2018-05-13T05:00:02 < R0b0t1> Looks nice upgrdman 
2018-05-13T05:00:16 < upgrdman> thx. handles very nicely.
2018-05-13T05:00:28 < upgrdman> much better than the cheap walmart bikes i had as a kid
2018-05-13T05:17:31 < englishman> https://www.canada.ca/en/services/world/testing.html
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2018-05-13T05:50:01 < R0b0t1> ARgh
2018-05-13T05:50:09 < R0b0t1> The STM32CubeMX code fails with an assertion
2018-05-13T05:54:54 < stvn> lol englishman 
2018-05-13T05:56:36 < stvn> the daily chimpout™
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2018-05-13T06:15:55 < Thorn> are PCB standoffs normally M2,M2.5 or M3?
2018-05-13T06:17:46 < stvn> m3 in my world
2018-05-13T06:18:14 < Thorn> why is it different on aliexpress
2018-05-13T06:18:35 < stvn> what is different
2018-05-13T06:20:47 < Thorn> oh wait here is a set that is available in all 3 sizes https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-Hex-nut-screw-M3-4-5-6-7-6mm-Hex-head-Brass-Threaded-Pillar-Female/32565388551.html
2018-05-13T06:21:03 < stvn> ali and all the other proper distributors have M3 and others eg M2,5...
2018-05-13T06:21:50 < stvn> i've never had a reason to use other than M3...
2018-05-13T06:21:57 < englishman> edison is M1.8
2018-05-13T06:22:00 < englishman> ask me how i know
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2018-05-13T06:22:10 < stvn> i'll ask the grey cat
2018-05-13T06:22:19 < stvn> i bet he put you up to this :>
2018-05-13T06:35:24 < Thorn> pretty interesting stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZRE7HIO3vk
2018-05-13T06:42:42 < R0b0t1> I have a strange issue with my project
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2018-05-13T06:43:48 < R0b0t1> In MX_USART@_UART_Init(void) huart2.Init.HwFlowCtl is set to UART_HWCONTROL_NONE but an assert in HAL_UART_Init(&huart2) fails on line 265 of stm32l4xx_hal_uart.c where assert_param(IS_UART_HWFLOW_INSTANCE(huart->Instance)) but this is gated by if(huart->Init.HwFlowCtl != UART_HWCONTROL_NONE) so the assert should never be reached
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2018-05-13T07:58:44 < dongs> < upgrdman> but wtf. TIL some bikes are sold without kickstands.
2018-05-13T07:58:56 < dongs> yeah uh, pretty much any high end classy bike wont have a kickstand
2018-05-13T07:59:14 < dongs> because it adds weight and shit. and its up to the owner to get one that they need
2018-05-13T08:10:48 < emeb_mac> our city has recently been inundated with rentabikes
2018-05-13T08:11:11 < dongs> ya? man shit's everywhere in china
2018-05-13T08:11:18 < emeb_mac> right
2018-05-13T08:11:29 < emeb_mac> they're fugly things
2018-05-13T08:11:36 < dongs> they're kinda neat, they all have a GSM modem or wehatever inside and a solar panel in the front basket
2018-05-13T08:11:45 < dongs> so they require literally zero maintenance until someone breaks them
2018-05-13T08:11:50 < emeb_mac> yeah
2018-05-13T08:11:55 < dongs> for the lock / rent stuff
2018-05-13T08:12:11 < emeb_mac> very sturdy - lock on the back wheel is just hand operated
2018-05-13T08:12:22 < emeb_mac> and you need a cellphone to unlock it
2018-05-13T08:12:26 < dongs> right
2018-05-13T08:12:52 < emeb_mac> for every one that I've seen being ridden though I see probably 50 standing around
2018-05-13T08:13:13 < emeb_mac> people aren't used to them yet I guess
2018-05-13T08:14:15 < englishman> thats good
2018-05-13T08:14:24 < emeb_mac> newspaper ran an article with pictures of all the places they're ending up - in canals, up in trees, hanging from fences, etc.
2018-05-13T08:14:26 < englishman> but also bad
2018-05-13T08:14:47 < englishman> a full station is worse than an empty station
2018-05-13T08:15:15 < englishman> oh those gps bikes
2018-05-13T08:15:20 < emeb_mac> ya
2018-05-13T08:15:23 < englishman> that sounds like a bad idea
2018-05-13T08:15:42 < englishman> of couse they are going to be trashed
2018-05-13T08:15:52 < englishman> they need a base station to ensure compliance
2018-05-13T08:15:56 < emeb_mac> well, lets just say us 'muricans would rather vandalize something like that than actually use it properly.
2018-05-13T08:16:09 < englishman> thats not just true of americans
2018-05-13T08:16:29 < englishman> the bixi system, bikes have to be checked into base stations
2018-05-13T08:16:34 < englishman> or you are billed for them
2018-05-13T08:16:43 < englishman> no newfangled gps bullshit
2018-05-13T08:17:13 < englishman> this also keeps bikes restricted to a certain area
2018-05-13T08:17:16 < emeb_mac> with these you are encouraged to just leave them anywhere. I guess they're hoping that makes them more available
2018-05-13T08:17:28 < emeb_mac> but of course the city mgmt doesn't like that.
2018-05-13T08:17:38 < englishman> maybe if there were 9000 bikes for every person
2018-05-13T08:17:41 < emeb_mac> so now they're rushing to get some regulations in place.
2018-05-13T08:18:09 < englishman> the shotgun approach works because you fire a fuckton of tiny balls to hit some dumb bird
2018-05-13T08:18:31 < englishman> so yeah that approach works if you airdrop 5 million bikes into a city of 50k
2018-05-13T08:19:07 < emeb_mac> the problem is that there's not yet enough of them around that you can rely on them being available.
2018-05-13T08:19:16 < englishman> but relying on your users to provide asset distribution is dumb as FUCK
2018-05-13T08:19:43 < emeb_mac> I think that they have crews spreading them around
2018-05-13T08:20:16 < emeb_mac> they're showing up in places that I wouldn't think someone had intentionally ridden to, but who knows.
2018-05-13T08:20:45 < emeb_mac> but still so sporadic that if you needed one in a hurry you'd be screwed.
2018-05-13T08:20:53 < R0b0t1> emeb_mac: If you pay each time why would you rent them
2018-05-13T08:20:58 < R0b0t1> Just buy a bike
2018-05-13T08:21:02 < R0b0t1> It will be cheaper, and you can't be tracked
2018-05-13T08:21:24 < emeb_mac> R0b0t1: yeah - I mean a decent crasharound bike is only a few hundred bux
2018-05-13T08:21:58 < emeb_mac> and if you just want some wheels you can get a clunker for much less at a thrift store
2018-05-13T08:22:21 < emeb_mac> but maintenance, theft, storage, etc.
2018-05-13T08:22:26 < emeb_mac> too much hassle for some folks
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2018-05-13T08:49:27 < dongs> who gives a shit about tracking lol
2018-05-13T08:49:37 < dongs> are y ou renting a bike to go on a drug deal or sdomethign
2018-05-13T08:52:36 < R0b0t1> It might get in the way of my microcontroller programming
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2018-05-13T09:42:31 < antto> how 'bout renting some drugs to help get thru a bike deal ;P~
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2018-05-13T10:22:35 < Brittany> I have a long plane trip tomorrow and I want to learn more about the STM32F3. Does anyone have suggested reading material?
2018-05-13T10:49:19 < dongs> reference manual pdf
2018-05-13T10:57:12 < zyp> what he said
2018-05-13T11:12:52 < Streaker> Should probably specify the starting point.
2018-05-13T11:13:54 < Streaker> Knows no ARM/knows ARM but not STM32/ knows STM32 but not F3
2018-05-13T11:14:13 < dongs> knows avr and ready to kill self
2018-05-13T11:17:32 < stvn> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/997/682/47c.jpg
2018-05-13T11:21:10 < stvn> i still shudder over this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVR_Butterfly
2018-05-13T11:27:55 < dongs> The Butterfly comes preloaded with software that demonstrates many features of the ATmega169, including reading of the ambient light level and temperature and playback of musical notes.
2018-05-13T11:28:03 < dongs> how is that a feature of atmega169?????????????
2018-05-13T11:28:16 < stvn> lol
2018-05-13T11:28:22 < dongs> is there even a temperature sensor in avrturd
2018-05-13T11:28:34 < stvn> i don't want to know
2018-05-13T11:28:45 < dongs> There's an award-winning educational robot based around the Butterfly called the FlutterBot.[3]
2018-05-13T11:28:49 < dongs> > award-winning
2018-05-13T11:28:53 < dongs> what award did it win, autism of the week?
2018-05-13T11:28:54 < stvn> the less I know the less cancer
2018-05-13T11:29:21 < stvn> maybe
2018-05-13T11:29:33 < stvn> just maybe, instead of the stspin there should be stchemo
2018-05-13T11:29:38 < dongs> https://web.archive.org/web/20070109084708/http://bluebat.dnsalias.org/howto/butterfly/ of course there's a fucking lunix how to
2018-05-13T11:29:49 < dongs> using a parallel port
2018-05-13T11:29:52 < stvn> did i mention im still traumatized by it
2018-05-13T11:30:59 < stvn> "avr buttload" like WHAT THE FUCK
2018-05-13T11:32:09 < dongs> mothercfucker what the fuck is going on with chrome
2018-05-13T11:32:22 < dongs> if I open more than a couple windows it starts using 100% of one core
2018-05-13T11:32:24 < stvn> idk
2018-05-13T11:32:26 < dongs> and everything is slow as balls
2018-05-13T11:32:44 < stvn> reminds me of windows 7 skype before I sucked it in
2018-05-13T11:33:03 < stvn> and by that i mean accepting microsoft's dirty offer for free w10
2018-05-13T11:33:29 < stvn> so maybe microsoft are trying to force you into using edge
2018-05-13T11:35:48 < Steffanx> So what did dongs use before cortex-m became fancy? 8051 crap?
2018-05-13T11:36:04 < Steffanx> PIC?
2018-05-13T11:36:05 < stvn> i used pic and before that hc08
2018-05-13T11:36:45 < stvn> hbu steffanpot
2018-05-13T11:38:40 < Steffanx> I started with AVR
2018-05-13T11:39:31 < stvn> how's the chemo going?
2018-05-13T11:40:01 < Steffanx> Dont you like how ##stm32 is a descendant of #avr ?
2018-05-13T11:40:11 < stvn> i knew you'd say that
2018-05-13T11:40:37 < Steffanx> No you didnt
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2018-05-13T11:41:50 < stvn> i was thinking about it
2018-05-13T11:42:17 < Steffanx> Did it hurt?
2018-05-13T11:42:19 < stvn> i think you'll find the frightening thing is when i'm on irc, i'm actually sober
2018-05-13T11:42:43 < Steffanx>  > Im always sober
2018-05-13T11:43:07 < stvn> i could say the same but i had a beer last week
2018-05-13T11:44:17 < stvn> but yes i do remember asking about the origins of this channel, you told me avr
2018-05-13T11:44:19 < Steffanx> This was kinda your response. Because like many others your always on irc ;)
2018-05-13T11:44:52 < stvn> hah
2018-05-13T11:45:57 < stvn> also i have 10 stroopwafel left
2018-05-13T11:46:51 < stvn> next time can you print me some ##stm32 merch?
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2018-05-13T11:49:22 < zyp> for an 8-bit mcu, avr isn't all that bad
2018-05-13T11:49:51 < zyp> architecture is designed to run C efficiently
2018-05-13T11:50:41 < zyp> (got lots of general purpose registers and no banked memory)
2018-05-13T11:51:37 < stvn> oh we all know its a good MCU
2018-05-13T11:51:50 < antto> and xmega is even slightly better ;P~
2018-05-13T11:52:37 < zyp> I got no experience with xmega, so I can't comment on that
2018-05-13T11:52:55 < stvn> it was handed to me on a plate of severed dicks, that was the issue
2018-05-13T11:53:50 < antto> i started dealing with avr without even knowing wtf i'm doing
2018-05-13T11:55:08 < antto> i bought a device which happened to be using an atmega (i had no idea), then i figured i can actually modify the "program" so i just read some instructions what to download and such, recompiled the code, flashed it - and it worked
2018-05-13T11:56:05 < antto> flashing was the hard part, cuz the bootloader was very primitive, and the flashing program was written in python :~(
2018-05-13T11:57:04 < antto> i had no opinion about anything untill i got on this job and they stuffed some PICs in my hands x_x
2018-05-13T11:58:30 < Steffanx> Poor poor antto
2018-05-13T11:59:33 < antto> yeah, that feels sorta like if your parents tell you that MJ is the special guest at your 11th birthday party
2018-05-13T11:59:56 < Steffanx> I bet he enjoyed it
2018-05-13T12:00:03 < antto> who?
2018-05-13T12:00:12 < antto> >:/
2018-05-13T12:00:16 < Steffanx> MJ.
2018-05-13T12:00:26 < antto> he would, of course
2018-05-13T12:04:18 < antto> hm, i remember.. when i had questions about the atmega (back when i had no idea wtf is this) i went to #electronics
2018-05-13T12:04:36 < antto> explained my issue, they redirected me to a more suitable place - #arduino
2018-05-13T12:05:00 < antto> i didn't know what that is exactly, but i had read that word somewhere
2018-05-13T12:05:21 < antto> took me quite some time to figure out that i should be in #avr instead, doh
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2018-05-13T12:07:01 < zyp> I got into avr before arduino was a thing
2018-05-13T12:07:45 < stvn> lol
2018-05-13T12:07:51 < BrainDamage> I think you meant that you got into avr before it was cool
2018-05-13T12:08:09 < stvn> from microcontrollers to inviting michael jackson over to molest kids, all in the space of 5 mins
2018-05-13T12:08:18 < zyp> BrainDamage, haha, maybe
2018-05-13T12:08:18 < stvn> ##stm32 
2018-05-13T12:08:39 < antto> i don't know when arduino was a thing, luckily this device was written in "normal C"
2018-05-13T12:09:06 < stvn> you know what the worst ever garbage is - PICAXE
2018-05-13T12:09:13 < BrainDamage> I've used avr myself a bit before arduinos, I had a friend that was using pics and after trying them a bit 
2018-05-13T12:09:21 < BrainDamage> I absolutely did NOT want to use them
2018-05-13T12:09:21 < antto> wut's that stvn?
2018-05-13T12:09:26 < antto> smells microshitty
2018-05-13T12:09:31 < stvn> a basic interpreter on a fucking PIC
2018-05-13T12:09:43 < BrainDamage> if you want weird, there's always propeller
2018-05-13T12:09:58 < antto> meh, so it's like a PIC, but even worse?
2018-05-13T12:10:25 < antto> i can't believe how microchip always manage to ruin something even more
2018-05-13T12:10:27 < stvn> that is right antto
2018-05-13T12:10:41 < stvn> but its not microchip's doing
2018-05-13T12:11:18 < antto> their IDE and programmer are absolute vomit
2018-05-13T12:11:38 < antto> the programmer looks promising at first
2018-05-13T12:12:28 < antto> till you find that it has to change its dumb firmware when you wanna program pic18 after you've programmed a pic12
2018-05-13T12:12:34 < antto> which takes ages
2018-05-13T12:12:59 < stvn> in the time i used pic it was always with 3rd party cuntpiler/ide and programmer
2018-05-13T12:13:04 < antto> and the features it appears to have (pk3cmd) are actually not working
2018-05-13T12:13:54 < antto> i use SDCC for pic, but it doesn't support some of the dumber families
2018-05-13T12:14:12 < antto> so for pic12 - i gotta use their crap xc8
2018-05-13T12:14:53 < zyp> looks like the first arduino boards were released in 2005
2018-05-13T12:15:02 < antto> i quickly make a project with their ugly IDE, then i close it, and inject a Code::Blocks project inside, configured to just run their makefile
2018-05-13T12:15:15 < stvn> so then i got the keil
2018-05-13T12:15:29 < zyp> I think it was in 2005 I made my first board with avr too
2018-05-13T12:15:47 < antto> zyp the device i mentioned is also from around that time
2018-05-13T12:15:48 < stvn> i would have been playing with HC08 back then
2018-05-13T12:16:08 < antto> but i bought it in 2010-ish
2018-05-13T12:16:55 < zyp> I think I first heard about arduino some time after I started uni, which was in 2008
2018-05-13T12:17:11 < stvn> those were the days when flyback was ranting like a lunatic in ##electronics 
2018-05-13T12:17:18 < zyp> haha
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2018-05-13T12:22:06 < Brittany> @streaker some experience in microcontrollers and c, but mostly interested in learning how to program for stm32 devices
2018-05-13T12:22:47 < dongs> 1) get some F0-discovery or -nucleo 2) download + install free keil for F0 3) ???? 4) stm32 expert
2018-05-13T12:25:51 < stvn> that is a good idea
2018-05-13T12:27:08 < antto> i like step3 the most
2018-05-13T12:30:45 < stvn> gangsacked it
2018-05-13T12:30:52 < stvn> i'm still in tears https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFOBMuVyHBU
2018-05-13T12:33:21 < stvn> i hear laurence is a single man
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2018-05-13T12:47:34 < Steffanx> Stop the Blaxtering stvn
2018-05-13T12:51:15 < stvn> maybe i'm having withdrawal symptoms
2018-05-13T13:10:58  * stvn injects Steffanx with coffee
2018-05-13T13:11:26 < Streaker> in the peepee?
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2018-05-13T13:29:23 < stvn> yeah!
2018-05-13T13:30:42 < stvn> just try to imagine this guy is sane - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyL_a9QE8ag
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2018-05-13T14:13:30 < Steffanx> Couldve been you stvn
2018-05-13T14:13:50 < stvn> maybe it is
2018-05-13T14:14:26 < stvn> i did throw together a p166mmx system 5 or so years ago for fun
2018-05-13T14:15:32 < stvn> and it has a label i printed on it, 'THE ASPERGER'
2018-05-13T14:15:57 < stvn> I'll sell it as-is on ebay with the label, maybe get $150
2018-05-13T14:20:05 < stvn> y/n
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2018-05-13T14:35:50 < Steffanx> pics or it didnt happen. The system + label
2018-05-13T14:38:42 < stvn> in garage 
2018-05-13T14:38:59 < stvn> if i list it online i'll put it there as well
2018-05-13T14:39:09 < stvn> as in forward you the ebay link
2018-05-13T14:41:03 < Steffanx> This guy made a song about my reply: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkMVscR5YOo
2018-05-13T14:41:14 < Steffanx> just the title, not the rest of the song.
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2018-05-13T14:42:27 < stvn> there is something inside here i can show you
2018-05-13T14:42:32 < Tectu> irc, how are you doing?
2018-05-13T14:42:44 < Steffanx> Welcome Tectu. What can we do for you today?
2018-05-13T14:42:50 < Tectu> stvn, that sounds like a horrible line from the middle of an anal sex porn
2018-05-13T14:43:06 < Tectu> Steffanx, nothing. I came to chat. I came to share my feelings with you all
2018-05-13T14:43:10 < Steffanx> Awh.
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2018-05-13T14:43:44 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/4jVys2mf/IMG_1422.JPG
2018-05-13T14:44:18 < Steffanx> What kind of weird inside joke is that stvn?
2018-05-13T14:44:46 < stvn> i purchased an engraver and was bored, old nvidia card laying about
2018-05-13T14:44:54 < stvn> well gigabyte
2018-05-13T14:44:58 < Tectu> we do not appreciate content like that in this channel, stvn 
2018-05-13T14:45:08 < Steffanx> Did you engrave your iphone stvn?
2018-05-13T14:45:21 < stvn> not yet
2018-05-13T14:45:36 < stvn> this would have been about 5 years ago after several beers
2018-05-13T14:47:33 < Steffanx> You should aks Tectu to engrave your iphone. If you're lucky he will just laser cut it and you'll finally be saved from your iphone.
2018-05-13T14:48:14 < stvn> what would i replace it with
2018-05-13T14:48:21 < Steffanx> nokia 3310
2018-05-13T14:48:33 < stvn> nah i threw that in the bin
2018-05-13T14:48:35 < Steffanx> i meant 2310
2018-05-13T14:48:39 < Steffanx> 3210*
2018-05-13T14:49:06 < stvn> i owned one of those too
2018-05-13T14:49:29 < stvn> probably gave it to a friend when i upgraded my downgrade to a regrade that is higher than my current grade
2018-05-13T14:50:01 < Tectu> hah, that was a funny story, yes
2018-05-13T14:50:08 < stvn> like this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CDCXx6IWm0
2018-05-13T14:50:19 < Tectu> but just yesterday another friend wanted me to engrave his iPhone because the strange parts dude did it
2018-05-13T14:50:19 < Tectu> now everybody is just laser horny
2018-05-13T14:51:39 < stvn> o
2018-05-13T14:51:49 < stvn> what is strange parts dude
2018-05-13T14:53:01 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leFuF-zoVzA Strange Part, dude.
2018-05-13T14:56:04 < stvn> hmmm
2018-05-13T14:58:30 < Steffanx> idk if mr Tectu was referring to that.
2018-05-13T14:59:45 < Tectu> idk either. no internet, cant check video
2018-05-13T15:00:01 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwZRv2Iu95M
2018-05-13T15:00:06 < stvn> maybe this
2018-05-13T15:05:12 < Tectu> cu folks
2018-05-13T15:05:14 < Tectu> happy mothers day
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2018-05-13T15:07:34 < stvn> ty
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2018-05-13T15:08:26 < Steffanx> I dont happy.
2018-05-13T15:11:38 < stvn> why
2018-05-13T15:11:54 < Steffanx> ##stm32
2018-05-13T15:12:46 < stvn> hiiii
2018-05-13T15:16:13 < stvn> sup
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2018-05-13T17:55:30 < gnom> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-G8sJ0nN155c/UbImG7NVgsI/AAAAAAAA-C8/T2hhMUsmtIU/s1600/lol3+-+Copy.jpg
2018-05-13T17:57:42 < karlp> cross posting shitposter
2018-05-13T17:59:35 < Steffanx> lol karlp still mad because of the eurovision crap?
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2018-05-13T18:08:37 < karlp> nah man, we got another win in our "we came dead last!" box again
2018-05-13T18:08:44 < karlp> if you're goign to lose, lose all the way amirite?
2018-05-13T18:09:17 < karlp> upgrdman: nice bike, looks like the current year's version of mine.  
2018-05-13T18:09:39 < karlp> and yeah, they don't come with shit.  
2018-05-13T18:09:53 < karlp> they don't even come with reflectors unless local regulations require them
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2018-05-13T18:15:48 < upgrdman> karlp, :)
2018-05-13T18:17:03 < upgrdman> karlp, do you find the seat super uncomfortable?
2018-05-13T18:17:38 < upgrdman> after 6km, i feel like someone took a meat tenderizer to my ass
2018-05-13T18:19:07 < branjb> how do you know what a meat tenderizer to your ass feels like?
2018-05-13T18:19:53 < upgrdman> ^_^
2018-05-13T18:28:45 < Steffanx> lol upgrdman. Grow some butt fat.
2018-05-13T18:29:31 < upgrdman> ok i'll get right on that
2018-05-13T18:29:39 < Steffanx> Usually is just a case of getting used to it, which shouldnt take more than a few weeks.
2018-05-13T18:29:55 < Steffanx> otherwise its the wrong seat for you, or just wrongly setup
2018-05-13T18:30:50 < Steffanx> Or get some foamed pants?
2018-05-13T18:31:25 < upgrdman> i might one of those cheap gel seat pads
2018-05-13T18:31:54 < Steffanx> meh.
2018-05-13T18:32:11 < upgrdman> at least until my ass gets used to the pounding
2018-05-13T18:32:34 < Steffanx> Tectu can help you with that
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2018-05-13T18:34:04 < BrainDamage> good choice on the hydraulic disk brakes, they are sooo much better than rim brakes
2018-05-13T18:34:38 < upgrdman> :)
2018-05-13T18:34:46 < Steffanx> until the oil starts to boil right?
2018-05-13T18:34:54 < upgrdman> ya at first i was going to buy some cheap walmart bike
2018-05-13T18:35:09 < upgrdman> then i remembers that im not poor, and i always regret buying cheap shit
2018-05-13T18:35:45 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: the oil starts to boil well after the rubber pads on rim brakes are completely useless
2018-05-13T18:36:17 < BrainDamage> also, there's 2 types of brake fluid, mineral oil and dot-5 fluid
2018-05-13T18:36:41 < BrainDamage> mineral oil has lower boiling point, but isn't toxic as shit, so i went for that
2018-05-13T18:36:46 < Steffanx> You can also go for a suspension type seat upgrdman. ;)
2018-05-13T18:36:52 < Steffanx> You have to put in some more money.
2018-05-13T18:36:59 < upgrdman> yes
2018-05-13T18:37:33 < Steffanx> Whats your plan anyway? Touring of real MTB-ing?
2018-05-13T18:38:01 < upgrdman> mtb?
2018-05-13T18:38:19 < upgrdman> im riding it on dirt trails, a little gravel, and pavement
2018-05-13T18:38:21 < BrainDamage> mountain bike
2018-05-13T18:38:38 < Steffanx> So "real" it is
2018-05-13T18:38:51 < upgrdman> after i get comfortable, i'd like to try some rougher terrain
2018-05-13T18:39:21 < upgrdman> bought a bike because i wanted to fun way to do cardio
2018-05-13T18:39:28 < upgrdman> mission accomplished
2018-05-13T18:40:15 < upgrdman> now i just need to build up the strength. on dirt trails my weak ass has to take a break every 2km.
2018-05-13T18:41:35 < BrainDamage> I have to take a break when my spine is absued too much
2018-05-13T18:41:53 < BrainDamage> but i tend to ride pretty hard
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2018-05-13T19:37:19 < Steffanx> When will you get your first arduino on your bike upgrdman? :)
2018-05-13T19:37:43 < Steffanx> BTW, no not all tourists do that in the netherlands upgrdman. Normally tourists go to amsterdam, get high on drugs and jump out of windows.
2018-05-13T19:49:50 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: did it come with those odd grips?
2018-05-13T19:51:07 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: what fork is that?
2018-05-13T19:53:19 < PaulFertser> Looks like it's not hydraulic.
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2018-05-13T20:24:23 < aandrew> my scope is apparently a special snowflake.. it's always triggered. :-)
2018-05-13T20:48:07 < aandrew> one of altidumb's more egregious faults is that a net tie is a physical object
2018-05-13T20:53:10 < aandrew> also if I was smarter I'd have added a couple test points with the MCX jacks
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2018-05-13T21:38:27 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: spring loaded with a brake damper
2018-05-13T21:56:09 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: I thought only oil dampers can ever make sense, as there's no way to mechanically distinguish between compression and rebound for the other damper types.
2018-05-13T21:56:15 < PaulFertser> Or am I wrong?
2018-05-13T22:00:11 < BrainDamage> well, you can have gas dampers alongside the oil, also, you can distinguish compression and rebound with a ratchet-like mechanism
2018-05-13T22:00:40 < BrainDamage> but they aren't smooth and reliable as fluid based
2018-05-13T22:01:40 < PaulFertser> I've never seen forks with a ratcher-based dampers, is that a thing?
2018-05-13T22:01:47 < BrainDamage> there's also weird as fuck leaf spring suspension
2018-05-13T22:01:53 < BrainDamage> like http://bike-advisor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/lauf_trail_racer_29_2014_2-696x464.jpg
2018-05-13T22:02:16 < PaulFertser> lol
2018-05-13T22:04:17 < PaulFertser> But those cause damping either way I think.
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2018-05-13T22:09:22 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, ya the bike is all stock
2018-05-13T22:09:41 < upgrdman> spec's here   https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/cross-country-mountain-bikes/marlin/marlin-5/p/21475/
2018-05-13T22:11:33 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: 21 speeds probably means it has "freewheel" and not "freehub". And freewheels suck because they put way more load on the axle. Right BrainDamage?
2018-05-13T22:12:18 < upgrdman> i didnt want to buy something high end. i just wanted something better than a cheap walmart bike.
2018-05-13T22:12:18 < PaulFertser> I had one axle broken and a new one bent, and I weight just ~55kg.
2018-05-13T22:13:15 < PaulFertser> Surprising to see hydraulic brakes there. 
2018-05-13T22:15:37 < upgrdman> speaking of breaks, if youre fucked and need to lock them up, is it safer to lock up the front or rear brake? guessing front?
2018-05-13T22:15:38 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: as far as i know the sollecitation from the drivetrain is negligible compared to hard riding
2018-05-13T22:15:45 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: yeah, riding is more important than jerking on specs, and I agree this bike should be ok for starters.
2018-05-13T22:16:24 < BrainDamage> so if you do hard riding, the axle sollecitations will make the drivetrain choice irrelevant
2018-05-13T22:16:30 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: but freewheels place right bearing way too close to the centre of an axle.
2018-05-13T22:16:56 < BrainDamage> that's more to the gear count than freewheel per se
2018-05-13T22:17:03 < PaulFertser> And I wasn't hard riding. I even no suspension fork on that one. 
2018-05-13T22:17:29 < BrainDamage> large cog count will shift the center no matter what
2018-05-13T22:17:53 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: the more powerful brake is the one in front, but you don't want to lock it
2018-05-13T22:18:05 < upgrdman> ya k
2018-05-13T22:18:12 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: if you lock the front brake and your weight is shifted forward, you'll literally backflip
2018-05-13T22:18:26 < upgrdman> you mean frontflip?
2018-05-13T22:18:32 < BrainDamage> ...yes
2018-05-13T22:18:46 < PaulFertser> Hm, looks like Shimano CS-HG20 7-Speed is a cassette, so it's freehub, not freewheel.
2018-05-13T22:18:53 < upgrdman> oh shit ya that brings back memories from my childhood
2018-05-13T22:18:58 < PaulFertser> Good news then
2018-05-13T22:19:11 < BrainDamage> during braking normally your weight shifts forward, which increases normal force on the wheel and let you brake stronger for the same slip force
2018-05-13T22:19:26 < BrainDamage> err, sorry, the slip force will also increase
2018-05-13T22:19:34 < PaulFertser> And if you lock the front brake on slippery surface you'll soon lowside.
2018-05-13T22:19:53 < BrainDamage> it's actually a good practice to learn to shift your weight backwards as you brake
2018-05-13T22:19:59 < upgrdman> enjoying my new bike as a kid, locked up the front brake when coming to a stop at an intersection, and came millimeters front frontflipping. damn near ate pavement.
2018-05-13T22:20:05 < BrainDamage> so that you can use the rear brake effectively
2018-05-13T22:20:44 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: I mean this difference: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/free-k7.html
2018-05-13T22:21:01 < upgrdman> so if you have to risk lock up the brake, risk locking the rear?
2018-05-13T22:21:09 < BrainDamage> yes, freehub has the axle support the cogs
2018-05-13T22:21:22 < PaulFertser> Locking the rear is relatively safe, you retain most of the control for long enough.
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2018-05-13T22:22:02 < BrainDamage> if you're really desperate you can also intentionally skid the rear wheel
2018-05-13T22:22:25 < BrainDamage> you'll end up doing a movie-like maneuver where you'll end up sliding laterally
2018-05-13T22:22:40 < BrainDamage> but you'll expose more wheel surface to the road, and brake faster
2018-05-13T22:22:58 < BrainDamage> don't try to do it unless you're well practiced or you'll ... sideflip
2018-05-13T22:23:18 < upgrdman> k
2018-05-13T22:23:45 < BrainDamage> the lateral brake should be only used if you're in non-traction conditions
2018-05-13T22:23:57 < BrainDamage> if you have traction, it's always better to keep the wheels rolling
2018-05-13T22:24:07 < PaulFertser> I frontflipped twice in my life due to excessive front braking.
2018-05-13T22:24:15 < upgrdman> ya im kinda worried about when on dirt / sand trails
2018-05-13T22:24:58 < upgrdman> im being cautious right now, since i have little recent practice on a bike, but im sure i'll find my limits soon enough.
2018-05-13T22:24:58 < PaulFertser> Shift your weight on the rear wheel and hope rear brake will be enough.
2018-05-13T22:25:15 < upgrdman> and i'd rather now fuck myself up too find when i find those limits
2018-05-13T22:25:34 < upgrdman> s/find/bad
2018-05-13T22:25:37 < PaulFertser> Do not afraid to lock the rear (when you're riding straight), do it on purpose in different conditions to get a feel of it.
2018-05-13T22:25:43 < upgrdman> k
2018-05-13T22:26:05 < PaulFertser> Just depress the lever soon enough
2018-05-13T22:26:12 < upgrdman> and on a downhill sand trail, with a turn?
2018-05-13T22:26:47 < BrainDamage> the pro tecnique is to do in oversteer with opposite lock, but you'll have to reach it gradually
2018-05-13T22:26:52 < BrainDamage> do what PaulFertser reccomends
2018-05-13T22:27:14 < srk> PaulFertser: rear break downhill? bad idea
2018-05-13T22:27:32 < srk> you should probably use the front break like 90% of the time
2018-05-13T22:27:41 < BrainDamage> that's what we said earlier
2018-05-13T22:27:48 < srk> as the weight is on the front wheel and it won't slide
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2018-05-13T22:27:53 < srk> ok :)
2018-05-13T22:28:18 < PaulFertser> srk: but we're talking about bicycles, they're doing stoppie too easy, especially downhill.
2018-05-13T22:28:49 < srk> PaulFertser: I'm a cyklotrial / street rider :)
2018-05-13T22:29:17 < srk> riding daily on a 24" trials bike, lots of fun :)
2018-05-13T22:29:30 < PaulFertser> srk: so how do you avoid lifting the rear in the air? I guess you just allow it in a controlled manner. But that takes practice.
2018-05-13T22:29:55 < BrainDamage> you just don't let the front wheel to lock
2018-05-13T22:29:57 < srk> yes, I'm currently practicing lifiting it when getting on top of high stuff
2018-05-13T22:30:03 < BrainDamage> you can do treshold braking
2018-05-13T22:30:07 < srk> but if you lean back there's no flipping ..
2018-05-13T22:30:53 < srk> I now have hydraulic disc brak at front and hydraulic v-brake back
2018-05-13T22:31:11 < BrainDamage> depends also on the speed, i found out at 90km/h even if i lean backwards all i can with the regular loading i use for offroad the suspensions dip considerably
2018-05-13T22:31:20 < BrainDamage> so i have to lock them
2018-05-13T22:31:36 < srk> ah, yeah
2018-05-13T22:31:44 < srk> I don't any bike with suspension :)
2018-05-13T22:32:09 < Steffanx> 90km/h :D
2018-05-13T22:32:26 < qyx> do they regularly drive bikes at 90km/h in italy?
2018-05-13T22:32:42 < BrainDamage> ... depends
2018-05-13T22:33:00 < BrainDamage> on normal roads? no, but i live at the base of the alps and there's a lot of cyclists here
2018-05-13T22:33:10 < PaulFertser> On my motorbike the fork fully compresses when I use front brake, and I think not much can be done about it.
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2018-05-13T22:33:32 < upgrdman> so why are pneu. brake better than wire linkage brakes?
2018-05-13T22:33:49 < BrainDamage> they are more rigid
2018-05-13T22:34:11 < BrainDamage> also way less maintenance
2018-05-13T22:34:43 < BrainDamage> more rigid = you have better dynamic range
2018-05-13T22:34:57 < BrainDamage> instead of some getting absorbed from the elasticity of the cable
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2018-05-13T22:35:03 < upgrdman> k
2018-05-13T22:35:53 < BrainDamage> the cons is that they weight more and that every few years you're supposed to get them cleaned from bubbles
2018-05-13T22:36:16 < BrainDamage> the weight diff is negligible unless you're doing pro competitions
2018-05-13T22:36:17 < Steffanx> The moment you're looking for some piece of hardware but have no clue what's it called in Dutch. And all you find is china-dutch translations on aliexpress -_-
2018-05-13T22:36:28 < PaulFertser> I'm really surprised to see hydra brakes in stock on a bike with "shimano tourney" components.
2018-05-13T22:36:52 < BrainDamage> when i want to translate weird technical terms i try to wikipedia them then switch language
2018-05-13T22:37:50 < PaulFertser> srk: what's wrong with starting with rear and then adding front if you feel it's not enough?
2018-05-13T22:38:08 < Steffanx> i dont know what's it called in english either. BrainDamage
2018-05-13T22:38:40 < BrainDamage> i always use both, I've learned to instinctively know the proportion between the 2
2018-05-13T22:38:51 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/OxCQI.jpg <- my firmware prints \o/
2018-05-13T22:39:27 < zyp> not very good, admittedly, but also not bad for the first print from a new firmware, totally untuned
2018-05-13T22:39:42 < BrainDamage> reminds me of spiderman
2018-05-13T22:39:48 < zyp> yeah
2018-05-13T22:39:52 < BrainDamage> also congrats
2018-05-13T22:40:12 < zyp> just happened to be that model because that was the last thing I sliced, so it opened up first in the slicer :p
2018-05-13T22:40:44 < zyp> currently running a benchy, curious to see how that turns out
2018-05-13T22:41:02 < zyp> I'm expecting it to come out better than the first few benchys I ran on the old printer with marlin
2018-05-13T22:41:40 < zyp> but probably worse than the best
2018-05-13T22:41:56 < zyp> I still haven't implemented PID control of the hotend temperature, so it's oscillating wildly
2018-05-13T22:42:03 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/JGyo7.png
2018-05-13T22:42:53 < BrainDamage> you have dual extruders?
2018-05-13T22:43:12 < zyp> there's two on the printer, yes
2018-05-13T22:43:20 < zyp> I've only implemented one in the code so far
2018-05-13T22:44:11 < zyp> or, rather, I've implemented heater controls for both, but motion stuff is only running four axes
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2018-05-13T23:03:34 < Steffanx> Hello stvn, what can we do for oyu today?
2018-05-13T23:04:37 < stvn> theepot
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2018-05-14T00:15:24 < dunnousernamefn> Hey, so I was thinking of using a blue pill with the arduino ide, and I was wondering if it would be easy/possible to downclock to the 32kHz internal oscillator
2018-05-14T00:15:39 < dunnousernamefn> also, what is the power consumption around there
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2018-05-14T00:29:54 < zyp> not too bad: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/uXvx7.jpg
2018-05-14T00:30:36 < zyp> the curves looks like shit, but I'm not buffering motion yet, so it stops up between each single gcode, so it's printing a lot more jerky than it should
2018-05-14T00:36:19 < dunnousernamefn> nobody has tried a lower oscillator frequency with arduino?
2018-05-14T00:36:50 < Steffanx> Arduino is not something many people in here use dunnousernamefn 
2018-05-14T00:37:10 < Steffanx> Why you want to do this btw?
2018-05-14T00:37:18 < dunnousernamefn> I've been using it because I've been having trouble building STM32CUBEMX with the Makefile
2018-05-14T00:37:26 < dunnousernamefn> I'm trying to conserve power
2018-05-14T00:37:38 < qyx> thats not the righ way
2018-05-14T00:37:40 < qyx> *t
2018-05-14T00:37:44 < Steffanx> stm32 has some nice low power/sleep/standy features foe that
2018-05-14T00:38:15 < dunnousernamefn> I want to run foreverrrrr
2018-05-14T00:38:26 < dunnousernamefn> I really only need the RTC most of the time
2018-05-14T00:38:46 < qyx> then use the proper rtc-only mode
2018-05-14T00:38:56 < qyx> and wakeup only when needed
2018-05-14T00:39:06 < kikes> you can set rtc to wake it up
2018-05-14T00:39:18 < BrainDamage> running at a low frequency doesn't necessarily mean that you'll get lower consumption
2018-05-14T00:39:32 < BrainDamage> in fact, it's generally better if you run as fast as you can, then just sleep
2018-05-14T00:39:36 < dunnousernamefn> compared to 48MHz, 32kHz would be lower though, right?
2018-05-14T00:39:52 < BrainDamage> depends, 48MHz running idle looop sure
2018-05-14T00:39:57 < BrainDamage> but you should sleep instead
2018-05-14T00:40:17 < kikes> you don't get linear power savings with clock frequency change
2018-05-14T00:40:37 < zyp> dunnousernamefn, power consumed per cycle is pretty constant regardless of how often the cycles are running
2018-05-14T00:41:12 < kikes> I didn't understand what you said zyp
2018-05-14T00:41:26 < zyp> so naturally running at say 24 MHz consumes about half the power of running at 48 MHz if you ignore leakage and assume no sleep
2018-05-14T00:41:31 < BrainDamage> to execute the same instruction, you use the same amount of energy no matter the clock frequency
2018-05-14T00:41:51 < kikes> that is oversimplified
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2018-05-14T00:42:01 < kikes> look datasheet
2018-05-14T00:42:10 < BrainDamage> yes and no, the simplification is what zyp said explicitly
2018-05-14T00:42:10 < Steffanx> Just open up the datasheet dunnousernamefn. It  some nice pages about the power consumption on the various modes
2018-05-14T00:42:12 < dunnousernamefn> so if I sleep, can I have interrupts for e.g. button presses?
2018-05-14T00:42:24 < qyx> yes
2018-05-14T00:42:27 < Steffanx> Yes, although it depends on the low power mode used
2018-05-14T00:42:34 < kikes> depending on sleep state you can get any interrupt or limited pins
2018-05-14T00:42:38 < zyp> but if you have a periodic function that takes around 1000 cycles and sleeps in between them, you'll have pretty much the same power consumption regardless of whether you're running at 48MHz, 24MHz or 10kHz
2018-05-14T00:43:01 < kikes> higher sleep state you can have all the clocks and timers running - just core is not executing
2018-05-14T00:43:22 < BrainDamage> you get a small saving actually if you run at 48MHz, because the static consumption is limited to when the circuits are fully powered up and running
2018-05-14T00:44:12 < zyp> to put it another way, lowering the frequency lowers the power consumption, but it also lowers the available cpu time, and it can be hard to judge how much you need
2018-05-14T00:44:23 < kikes> lower sleep states most of the clocks are halted and you may have things like rtc, bod and watchdog oscillator running and have some specific pins than can cause start
2018-05-14T00:44:32 < kikes> start event
2018-05-14T00:44:37 < kikes> *interrupt
2018-05-14T00:44:58 < zyp> going to sleep also lowers the power consumption, but you still have all the cpu power available on demand, and power consumption will scale automatically with load
2018-05-14T00:45:27 < zyp> so it takes away all the guesswork of how low you can go in frequency as well
2018-05-14T00:45:27 < kikes> then there might be depending on chip such state that powers the whole chip down but leaves to say one pin that can make the chip hot-boot
2018-05-14T00:45:52 < dunnousernamefn> so in the end it doesn't matter if you're only doing 1 cycle and then sleeping forever, but if you don't know how if you need 1 cycle or a million, it's best to run at a higher speed?
2018-05-14T00:46:02 < dunnousernamefn> I looked at the graphs and I see what you mean
2018-05-14T00:46:14 < zyp> basically, yes
2018-05-14T00:46:31 < dunnousernamefn> but how much power do I use when I'm switching to a sleep mode?
2018-05-14T00:46:41 < zyp> depends which sleep mode
2018-05-14T00:46:47 < dunnousernamefn> let me see
2018-05-14T00:46:59 < zyp> in the deepest sleep modes I think you're talking microamps
2018-05-14T00:47:04 < Steffanx> cube has a calculator dunnousernamefn might be useful here.
2018-05-14T00:47:15 < dunnousernamefn> oh, right, it has power consumption
2018-05-14T00:47:28 < dunnousernamefn> I'm trying to go for less than a milliamp average
2018-05-14T00:47:37 < Steffanx> Totally possible.
2018-05-14T00:47:42 < kikes> if you go to full shut down mode you can get hundreds of nanoamps
2018-05-14T00:47:52 < kikes> iirc. rtc still running
2018-05-14T00:47:55 < dunnousernamefn> does that store RAM?
2018-05-14T00:47:58 < kikes> no
2018-05-14T00:47:59 < zyp> deeper sleep modes takes longer to enter/leave and has less options for wakeup
2018-05-14T00:48:04 < dunnousernamefn> so it is basically like a reset?
2018-05-14T00:48:08 < kikes> yes
2018-05-14T00:48:12 < kikes> you have usually a storage
2018-05-14T00:48:15 < kikes> that is kept
2018-05-14T00:48:25 < zyp> if you're on f4, backupsram is saved
2018-05-14T00:48:29 < dunnousernamefn> does the RTC reset when the processor resets though
2018-05-14T00:48:33 < zyp> so you can save state there
2018-05-14T00:48:34 < zyp> no
2018-05-14T00:48:46 < kikes> can you run RTC in power down state?
2018-05-14T00:48:50 < zyp> RTC can run even without VDD present, if you have VBAT
2018-05-14T00:49:06 < Steffanx> iirc L1 still only does 10-20uA with the RTC running in stop mode ( which meas SRAM is preserved)
2018-05-14T00:49:15 < Steffanx> but i might have my numbers wrong.
2018-05-14T00:49:21 < zyp> could be
2018-05-14T00:49:27 < kikes> zyp, I think we are talking about power down state hot-boot
2018-05-14T00:49:31 < zyp> f4 RTC takes around 1uA IIRC
2018-05-14T00:49:46 < kikes> external RTC is an option
2018-05-14T00:49:47 < zyp> kikes, idk what we're talking about, I think we're listing options :)
2018-05-14T00:50:04 < kikes> I assume the circuit has always VDD
2018-05-14T00:50:11 < kikes> dunnousernamefn, does it?
2018-05-14T00:50:20 < dunnousernamefn> yes
2018-05-14T00:50:27 < dunnousernamefn> VDD is hooked up to a battery
2018-05-14T00:50:31 < zyp> dunnousernamefn, how often do you need to wake up?
2018-05-14T00:50:42 < kikes> you can get external RTCs that run with hundreds of nanoamps
2018-05-14T00:50:55 < dunnousernamefn> I'm not sure how often
2018-05-14T00:50:57 < zyp> external RTC is probably not worth it
2018-05-14T00:51:05 < zyp> dunnousernamefn, ballpark figure?
2018-05-14T00:51:07 < dunnousernamefn> I'm running at the refresh rate of an e-ink display
2018-05-14T00:51:08 < kikes> not most accurate ones.. and not most cheap ones
2018-05-14T00:51:20 < dunnousernamefn> I was just going to look up a vid because I have no idea how fast those are
2018-05-14T00:51:25 < kikes> so a few Hz
2018-05-14T00:51:27 < zyp> uh, does e-ink displays even have refresh rates?
2018-05-14T00:51:49 < zyp> I mean, writing an e-ink display constantly as fast as possible sounds like a pretty bad experience
2018-05-14T00:52:00 < dunnousernamefn> it's ok I'm just going to play games :P
2018-05-14T00:52:11 < kikes> so maybe 10hz
2018-05-14T00:52:17 < dunnousernamefn> sounds acceptable
2018-05-14T00:52:17 < zyp> e-ink is stateful, so you'd only need to do anything when you have new data to give it
2018-05-14T00:52:19 < kikes> but the screen wont update that fast
2018-05-14T00:52:27 < dunnousernamefn> hmm
2018-05-14T00:52:36 < dunnousernamefn> it says 0.3 seconds local
2018-05-14T00:52:46 < dunnousernamefn> but I'm not sure if I have to wait that long for most of it to be done
2018-05-14T00:52:54 < kikes> what is 0.3seconds?
2018-05-14T00:53:03 < kikes> G2G?
2018-05-14T00:53:12 < dunnousernamefn> Let me bring up the page
2018-05-14T00:53:16 < kikes> black2white/white2black
2018-05-14T00:53:17 < kikes> ?
2018-05-14T00:53:29 < zyp> updating e-ink several times per second is probably going to kill your power budget too
2018-05-14T00:53:42 < kikes> sounds like it
2018-05-14T00:53:54 < dunnousernamefn> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/thepage/32846836344.html
2018-05-14T00:54:08 < zyp> the whole reason e-ink is power efficient vs lcds is because they only need to be updated when the content changes, i.e. pageflips
2018-05-14T00:54:18 < kikes> interesting display
2018-05-14T00:54:28 < dunnousernamefn> ohhh, I thought they only need to have a big current draw for a few milliseconds
2018-05-14T00:54:28 < kikes> should buy one
2018-05-14T00:54:38 < dunnousernamefn> but they need to do it for 0.3 seconds
2018-05-14T00:54:55 < BrainDamage> no, the draw current only when they update essentially, the standby current is lower than the battery self discharge
2018-05-14T00:55:06 < zyp> I bet if you constantly refresh an e-ink, it'll consume more power than a lcd (not counting backlight)
2018-05-14T00:55:11 < BrainDamage> which makes them 'free'
2018-05-14T00:55:25 < dunnousernamefn> what if I run an lcd with no backlight?
2018-05-14T00:55:33 < dunnousernamefn> or a tft somehow
2018-05-14T00:55:34 < BrainDamage> there's actually mixed mode lcd
2018-05-14T00:55:41 < BrainDamage> look at 'memory lcd'
2018-05-14T00:55:46 < BrainDamage> iirc it's from sharp
2018-05-14T00:56:02 < BrainDamage> it's lcd with reflective backing, and bultin memory
2018-05-14T00:56:04 < zyp> dunnousernamefn, look at the L1 discovery maybe, IIRC it has a LCD
2018-05-14T00:56:22 < zyp> oh, and L0 discovery has an e-ink display
2018-05-14T00:56:29 < BrainDamage> it lets you use them like e-ink, where outside of update they drain very little, and they keep lcd refresh rates
2018-05-14T00:58:24 < dunnousernamefn> where can I buy these Sharp LCDs?
2018-05-14T01:03:01 < Steffanx> What kind of games do you plan to make dunnousernamefn 
2018-05-14T01:03:03 < kikes> not found on the usual suspects?
2018-05-14T01:03:38 < kikes> then check electronics distributors
2018-05-14T01:04:07 < kikes> mouser, digikey, farnell, arrow
2018-05-14T01:05:16 < dunnousernamefn> no idea
2018-05-14T01:05:35 < dunnousernamefn> something really low resolution
2018-05-14T01:05:43 < kikes> that is given
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2018-05-14T01:05:54 < dunnousernamefn> The bare minimum would probably be snake
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2018-05-14T01:06:46 < dunnousernamefn> I found one on digi-key
2018-05-14T01:06:55 < dunnousernamefn> for $20, and it looks really nice
2018-05-14T01:07:39 < dunnousernamefn> woah this is gonna work niceee
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2018-05-14T01:08:14 < kikes> was digikey or farnell for commercial customers only?
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2018-05-14T01:08:52 < kakimir> dunnousernamefn, take manufacturer code and go to www.findchips.com
2018-05-14T01:09:31 < dunnousernamefn> mouser 'has' it but has no stock
2018-05-14T01:10:13 < dunnousernamefn> is future electronics a good one? they sell it at like a quarter of digikey
2018-05-14T01:10:16 < dunnousernamefn> I've only used mouser
2018-05-14T01:11:04 < kakimir> I have not ordered from there
2018-05-14T01:11:36 < kakimir> I think there is reason for it.. maybe they don't ship here cheap enought or sell only for commercial customers
2018-05-14T01:12:14 < dunnousernamefn> hmmm
2018-05-14T01:12:42 < kakimir> anyhow I'm totally hooked to those free shipping deals
2018-05-14T01:32:06 < dunnousernamefn> what pins can I set as interrupts?
2018-05-14T01:32:10 < dunnousernamefn> Any GPIO?
2018-05-14T01:36:24 < dunnousernamefn> Oh, is SYS_WKUP an interrupt?
2018-05-14T01:36:46 < kakimir> from power down state most likelly
2018-05-14T01:36:53 < kakimir> read further
2018-05-14T01:37:03 < zyp> there's SYS_WKUP and then there's EXTI
2018-05-14T01:37:51 < zyp> IIRC SYS_WKUP is available in even the lowest power mode, EXTI is not
2018-05-14T01:38:21 < zyp> so you'd use SYS_WKUP for something like a power button, or a merged wakeup signal, and EXTI to trigger on button presses, or something like that
2018-05-14T01:42:25 < kakimir> also some external circuits may be used to cause logic state change in SYS_WKUP
2018-05-14T01:42:36 < kakimir> from every button
2018-05-14T01:43:08 < kakimir> is SYS_WKUP active low?
2018-05-14T01:44:37 < dunnousernamefn> I want to wake up when I have a button press
2018-05-14T01:44:58 < kakimir> diodes.
2018-05-14T01:45:07 < dunnousernamefn> thats what I was thinking
2018-05-14T01:45:44 < kakimir> you need to take leakage into account
2018-05-14T01:45:54 < kakimir> you cannot throw schottky in there
2018-05-14T01:46:02 < dunnousernamefn> awww why
2018-05-14T01:46:07 < kakimir> leakage
2018-05-14T01:46:33 < kakimir> normal diodes will do
2018-05-14T01:46:48 < dunnousernamefn> wait why do they leak
2018-05-14T01:46:56 < dunnousernamefn> I know leakage is lost power, right?
2018-05-14T01:47:49 < kakimir> because there is no ideal diode
2018-05-14T01:47:56 < kakimir> and no
2018-05-14T01:48:22 < kakimir> when both sides of diode are in same voltage
2018-05-14T01:48:28 < kakimir> to say button is not pressed
2018-05-14T01:49:23 < kakimir> you need to take into concideration that sys_wkup may be active low
2018-05-14T01:49:28 < kakimir> instead of active high
2018-05-14T01:49:53 < kakimir> also you need to take into concideration if pins have pullups in powerdown mode
2018-05-14T01:50:05 < dunnousernamefn> wait is sys_wkup active high or low
2018-05-14T01:50:16 < kakimir> datasheet will tell
2018-05-14T01:50:27 < dunnousernamefn> Does it change or something?
2018-05-14T01:51:01 < kakimir> active low means that when you set voltage to pin bellow certain level it activates function
2018-05-14T01:51:14 < dunnousernamefn> ik
2018-05-14T01:53:45 < dunnousernamefn> "The device exits Standby mode when an external reset (NRST pin), an IWDG reset, a 
2018-05-14T01:53:46 < dunnousernamefn> rising edge on the WKUP pin, or an RTC alarm occurs."
2018-05-14T01:53:59 < dunnousernamefn> so it seems SYS_WKUP is active high
2018-05-14T01:54:49 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-14T01:55:18 < kakimir> so does pins have pullup in standby?
2018-05-14T01:56:08 < kakimir> does sys_wkup have GPIO functionality btw.?
2018-05-14T01:56:42 < dunnousernamefn> It's PA0, so I think it should
2018-05-14T01:56:52 < dunnousernamefn> I'm not sure if it has pullup
2018-05-14T01:57:05 < dunnousernamefn> but I don't think it would since it is active high
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2018-05-14T01:59:23 < zyp> dunnousernamefn, so, which chip are you using?
2018-05-14T01:59:29 < kakimir> I'm trying to figure out if you can do it without external signal conditioning
2018-05-14T01:59:37 < dunnousernamefn> the blue pill, so STM32F103C8T6
2018-05-14T02:00:16 < zyp> according to F401 RM (which I happened to have open), enabling the WKUP pin enables an internal pull down on it, and it triggers on rising edge
2018-05-14T02:00:47 < kakimir> how about other pins?
2018-05-14T02:00:56 < zyp> enabled by the EWUP pin in PWR_CSR
2018-05-14T02:01:11 < zyp> this might be different in f103, but I'm too lazy to check that
2018-05-14T02:01:17 < kakimir> how strong the pull down is?
2018-05-14T02:01:21 < zyp> the basic stuff is probably identical
2018-05-14T02:01:26 < zyp> dunno, RM doesn't say
2018-05-14T02:01:30 < zyp> it's probably in datasheet
2018-05-14T02:01:41 < zyp> I suspect it's using the normal gpio pulldown
2018-05-14T02:01:45 < kakimir> I wonder if you could do very simple thing
2018-05-14T02:02:29 < kakimir> just pins for buttons and another side common would be PA0/WKUP
2018-05-14T02:02:43 < kakimir> first pullup of pin would cause wakeup
2018-05-14T02:02:51 < kakimir> then PA0 would be switched
2018-05-14T02:02:53 < zyp> DS doesn't say anything particular about the WKUP pulldown either
2018-05-14T02:03:30 < kakimir> PA0 would activate strong pull down and then pin states would be read
2018-05-14T02:03:41 < zyp> DS says normal GPIO pull-downs are typically 40k
2018-05-14T02:03:50 < kakimir> how about pull-ups?
2018-05-14T02:03:51 < zyp> range 30k-50k
2018-05-14T02:03:55 < zyp> same
2018-05-14T02:03:56 < kakimir> same thing?
2018-05-14T02:04:05 < zyp> yeah
2018-05-14T02:04:06 < kakimir> what is the threshold level of wakeup?
2018-05-14T02:04:16 < kakimir> 0.8V?
2018-05-14T02:04:45 < kakimir> 0.7x VDD?
2018-05-14T02:05:48 < zyp> don't think it says that either
2018-05-14T02:06:02 < kakimir> just GPIO logic high threshold then
2018-05-14T02:06:11 < kakimir> what is the worst case usually?
2018-05-14T02:07:06 < zyp> 0.4x VDD
2018-05-14T02:07:17 < zyp> on FT pins
2018-05-14T02:07:41 < zyp> f401 probably doesn't have any non-FT-pins, because there's not a spec for others
2018-05-14T02:08:46 < kakimir> with such 30-50k range it's not reliable to do that thing without external conditioning of button pins
2018-05-14T02:08:57 < zyp> do what thing?
2018-05-14T02:09:25 < kakimir> so that pins pull up buttons from other side and other side is common connected to PA0/WKUP
2018-05-14T02:09:45 < kakimir> and pin pull up would cause start
2018-05-14T02:09:51 < kakimir> when button is pressed
2018-05-14T02:09:58 < zyp> uh, that doesn't make sense
2018-05-14T02:10:22 < kakimir> lemme draw it for you
2018-05-14T02:10:23 < zyp> pretty sure all gpios are floating in STANDBY mode
2018-05-14T02:10:34 < zyp> so they couldn't pull shit
2018-05-14T02:10:42 < kakimir> do they?
2018-05-14T02:11:42 < zyp> «After entering Standby mode, the SRAM and register contents are lost except for registers in the backup domain when selected.»
2018-05-14T02:11:50 < zyp> that includes GPIO registers
2018-05-14T02:12:19 < kakimir> anyways external resistors are required already when we look at 30k-50k and 0.4x VDD we know that worst case it's bellow 0.4x VDD
2018-05-14T02:12:33 < zyp> why?
2018-05-14T02:12:44 < kakimir> when pull down is 30k and pull up is 50k
2018-05-14T02:13:27 < zyp> what?
2018-05-14T02:13:29 < kakimir> 30/(30+50) = 0.375
2018-05-14T02:13:37 < zyp> wtf are you talking about?
2018-05-14T02:14:02 < kakimir> if button pin would have pull up
2018-05-14T02:14:23 < kakimir> and buttons common would be connected to wkup with pull down as said
2018-05-14T02:14:55 < kakimir> but isn't standby basically a reset condition or what?
2018-05-14T02:15:03 < zyp> yes
2018-05-14T02:15:06 < kakimir> in GPIO perspective
2018-05-14T02:15:19 < zyp> I don't understand what you're trying to achieve
2018-05-14T02:15:38 < kakimir> GPIOs are mostly pullup in reset state?
2018-05-14T02:15:49 < zyp> no, they are floating without pull
2018-05-14T02:16:03 < kakimir> wut
2018-05-14T02:16:11 < kakimir> not in my nxp chips
2018-05-14T02:16:20 < kakimir> floating is bad
2018-05-14T02:16:37 < kakimir> it would require external conditioning
2018-05-14T02:16:46 < kakimir> and binding unused pins
2018-05-14T02:17:26 < zyp> bullshit, if you're going for low power you don't want every single input to start sinking or sourcing power when you put the chip in standby
2018-05-14T02:18:11 < kakimir> i'd say it won't use basically any power to have a static condition of pin drivers
2018-05-14T02:18:37 < zyp> depends what you have connected to the pin
2018-05-14T02:18:47 < kakimir> hmm
2018-05-14T02:18:50 < kakimir> you have a point
2018-05-14T02:19:37 < zyp> if you enable a pullup on a pin which has a low signal coming in, you'll source a current through the pullup
2018-05-14T02:20:24 < zyp> enough pins doing that and you might as well forget about standby mode and put the chip in stop mode instead so you can turn off shitty pullups
2018-05-14T02:20:53 < kakimir> i know
2018-05-14T02:21:20 < kakimir> so external 30k resistors to every button pin
2018-05-14T02:21:28 < kakimir> should do!
2018-05-14T02:21:49 < zyp> I mean, a single 40k pullup to 3.3V connected to a 0V source will leak 82.5 uA
2018-05-14T02:22:07 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-14T02:22:22 < kakimir> my design has some 1k pull downs
2018-05-14T02:22:46 < kakimir> i'm excited to see some power states
2018-05-14T02:23:58 < zyp> for reference, typical consumption for f401 in standby mode without RTC is 2.1 uA
2018-05-14T02:24:45 < zyp> apparently you can get stop mode down to 10 uA also
2018-05-14T02:31:21 < kakimir> so
2018-05-14T02:31:33 < kakimir> if I use stanby state
2018-05-14T02:31:57 < kakimir> I should have unused gpios binded to ground
2018-05-14T02:32:10 < zyp> why?
2018-05-14T02:32:22 < kakimir> or then not
2018-05-14T02:32:24 < zyp> pretty sure standby state also turns off the comparator on the input
2018-05-14T02:32:37 < kakimir> for emc
2018-05-14T02:33:05 < zyp> when it's not in standby, you can set it to analog mode to manually turn off the comparator
2018-05-14T02:33:06 < kakimir> but there is pretty much nothing to oscilate those pins
2018-05-14T02:34:17 < kakimir> analog comparator?
2018-05-14T02:34:24 < zyp> no, digital
2018-05-14T02:35:41 < zyp> the whole point of tying digital inputs high or low is to keep it from flip-flopping between states
2018-05-14T02:36:04 < kakimir> hmm
2018-05-14T02:36:08 < zyp> turning it off removes the whole problem
2018-05-14T02:36:23 < kakimir> i dont know if my nxp has such a trick
2018-05-14T02:36:49 < kakimir> only in analog pins as far as I know
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2018-05-14T02:36:52 < zyp> I don't know nxp in detail, but for stm32 it's suggested to configure unused pins to analog mode to minimize current draw
2018-05-14T02:37:13 < zyp> I've never had an application where I've had to care about that in practice though
2018-05-14T02:37:37 < kakimir> but i could try to write in same bit pos in non analog pin
2018-05-14T02:37:50 < kakimir> marked as reserved in those
2018-05-14T02:38:23 < kakimir> it's getting brighter outside
2018-05-14T02:38:30 < kakimir> 2:38AM
2018-05-14T02:38:50 < zyp> the fuck are you doing up so late? :p
2018-05-14T02:38:59 < zyp> it's only 1:38 here
2018-05-14T02:39:55 < kakimir> only
2018-05-14T02:47:18 < kakimir> that reserved bit pos is btw writen with value that turns digital buffer on
2018-05-14T02:47:41 < kakimir> but hey
2018-05-14T02:47:57 < kakimir> why not just turn digital buffers automatically off when in standby
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2018-05-14T02:51:34 < bitmask> long ass drive
2018-05-14T02:52:11 < bitmask> "I'm glad we were here together in our nations capital"
2018-05-14T02:57:29 < stvn> the farmer and his tractor
2018-05-14T02:59:59 < bitmask> hmm, website or leds
2018-05-14T03:00:22 < bitmask> I think i'll work on the leds
2018-05-14T03:00:28 < bitmask> ease myself back in
2018-05-14T03:05:44 < stvn> why not make an internet of shit device, no need for LEDs
2018-05-14T03:05:55 < stvn> it tell you if led on or off
2018-05-14T03:08:41 < stvn> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Apple-Macintosh-Adjustable-ADB-Japanese-Keyboard-M0016-with-ALPS-Switches-M1242/222811375087
2018-05-14T03:08:50 < stvn> senpai will notice you
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2018-05-14T03:25:56 < dunnousername> hey, its me again on mobile. So, the frequency of the mcu generally does not matter in run mode if the amount of cycles is constant. But in sleep mode, that changes
2018-05-14T03:26:36 < dunnousername> So I was wondering if I could somehow use stop mode and the rtc
2018-05-14T03:26:57 < dunnousername> (to sleep for x amount of time)
2018-05-14T03:37:25 < dunnousername> It seems like I can...
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2018-05-14T04:06:26 < bitmask> grr why is my timer running when I don't even start dma
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2018-05-14T05:07:52 < Streaker> timer stops for no man
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2018-05-14T05:34:24 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsrHQAzSXkA rip zyp
2018-05-14T05:35:10 < scrts> sup pimps?
2018-05-14T05:38:39 < upgrdman> why do bike seats have a cavity along the middle
2018-05-14T05:38:53 < upgrdman> its not big enough for your balls, so uh, what's it for
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2018-05-14T05:44:52 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00UUROWWK zyp has been obsoleted
2018-05-14T05:45:00 < scrts> farts
2018-05-14T05:45:01 < englishman> thats a pretty nice bike for $500
2018-05-14T05:45:25 < dongs> ya, looks similar to my merida , same disk brakes and shocks and shit
2018-05-14T05:46:50 < upgrdman> englishman, what bike
2018-05-14T05:58:25 < dongs> yours?
2018-05-14T06:18:28 < aandrew> dongs: have you (or anyone else) used combined pwm mode?
2018-05-14T06:22:51 < dongs> hm doesnt ring a bell so probably not
2018-05-14T06:51:03 < aandrew> hm, these timers in combined mode talk about OC1REFC, but I can't see what that actually is
2018-05-14T06:51:16 < aandrew> I *think* it's just the OC1 output
2018-05-14T07:06:15 < stvn>  I got the muscle to shove enough of this factory so far up your stupid wop ass, that you'll shit snow for a year
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2018-05-14T07:08:26 < bitmask> grr what is hal looking for in terms of a destination peripheral address, PAR, I want to set it to the timer CCR1
2018-05-14T07:09:04 < bitmask> (uint32_t)TIM4->CCR1
2018-05-14T07:09:08 < bitmask> that all you need?
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2018-05-14T07:16:43 < aandrew> hm?
2018-05-14T07:16:54 < bitmask> I cant get dma to work with this stupid timer
2018-05-14T07:17:45 < bitmask> I'm not sure what HAL functions/macros I need
2018-05-14T07:18:14 < aandrew> I would assume it wants (uint32_t)&(TIM4->CCR1)
2018-05-14T07:19:35 < bitmask> omg, the light turned blue (good sign) if the parenthesis cost me the last few hours im gonna be pissed (but thats for the help) :/
2018-05-14T07:19:46 < bitmask> thanks not thats
2018-05-14T07:20:13 < aandrew> :-)
2018-05-14T07:20:44 < aandrew> I tend to be conservative with my precedence
2018-05-14T07:20:54 < bitmask> wow, its mostly working, just a few things to work out but that was the main hurdle
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2018-05-14T07:53:35 < R0b0t1> I am at a complete loss
2018-05-14T07:53:41 < R0b0t1> I moved back to the LL interface and it works now
2018-05-14T07:53:47 < R0b0t1> I had previously tried to use that and had it fail
2018-05-14T07:55:51 < R0b0t1> With a build error, I mean
2018-05-14T07:56:00 < R0b0t1> I think STM32CubeMX does not regenerate the Makefile properly
2018-05-14T07:56:04 < R0b0t1> I saw duplicate code in one case
2018-05-14T08:05:22 < stvn> i don't know what a makefile is
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2018-05-14T08:19:02 < dongs> holy shit
2018-05-14T08:19:16 < dongs> someone borrowed my compressor for dicknplace cuz their broke
2018-05-14T08:19:23 < dongs> they bring it back today so i can get some assembly done
2018-05-14T08:19:31 < dongs> i can hear water splashing inside
2018-05-14T08:19:53 < dongs> i didnt open the water tank release valve in like 3-4 years, and i had no idea there was a separate one for the back tank
2018-05-14T08:20:02 < dongs> probly like 5 liters of water dumped out of the shit
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2018-05-14T08:32:08 < stvn> that sounds filthy as
2018-05-14T08:32:44 < stvn> the back tank.... never seen that
2018-05-14T08:33:08 < dongs> there's 2 tanks on the compressor, front and back
2018-05-14T08:33:16 < dongs> the're connected but obviously not for water removal
2018-05-14T08:38:59 < stvn> news to me
2018-05-14T08:40:06 < dongs> btw the other compressor board is fixed.
2018-05-14T08:40:11 < dongs> i ordered replacement JST-VH connector
2018-05-14T08:41:16 < dongs> then put some silicone wire on the back to connect the exploded trace ends
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2018-05-14T08:51:19 < stvn> sounds like a winner
2018-05-14T08:52:29 < dongs> winrar
2018-05-14T08:54:21 < stvn> did anyone ever buy winrar?
2018-05-14T08:54:50 < dongs> i never used anything beyond unrar.exe or rar.exe
2018-05-14T08:54:55 < dongs> what is tehre to pay for?
2018-05-14T08:56:47 < stvn> the standard maggot
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2018-05-14T09:21:46 < jadew> sup?
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2018-05-14T09:45:12 < stvn> my head is broken
2018-05-14T09:45:43  * Haohmaru gives stvn some poxipol
2018-05-14T09:45:52 < kakimir> I hate to be a millenial
2018-05-14T09:46:03 < stvn> if i search poxipol will i go on the watchlist?
2018-05-14T09:46:04 < kakimir> I go to work at 9:30
2018-05-14T09:46:15 < Haohmaru> stvn what watchlist?
2018-05-14T09:46:31 < Haohmaru> poxipol is a two-component glue
2018-05-14T09:46:32 < stvn> i go to work in order to get out
2018-05-14T09:46:52 < stvn> eg. if i go at 9am i get out at 5pm
2018-05-14T09:46:54 < Haohmaru> epoxy resin kind of thing
2018-05-14T09:47:01 < stvn> ah i see
2018-05-14T09:47:25 < stvn> i know it as araldite or loctite
2018-05-14T09:47:26 < stvn> lol
2018-05-14T09:47:55 < Haohmaru> well probably every big brand of gluemakers has a comparable option
2018-05-14T09:48:12 < Haohmaru> poxipol had a transparent one
2018-05-14T09:48:26 < stvn> cool
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2018-05-14T09:48:43 < stvn> i always have a few loctite self mixing doodads around
2018-05-14T09:49:55 < stvn> or araldite 2014 from when i used to recone da speekuhs
2018-05-14T09:55:10 < Haohmaru> wut u play on dem speekuhz?
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2018-05-14T09:56:03 < stvn> nothing except test signals lol
2018-05-14T09:56:35 < Haohmaru> this was a music-taste evaluation test, i will judge you now
2018-05-14T09:56:40 < Haohmaru> you did not pass
2018-05-14T09:56:53 < stvn> i knew you'd say something niggerlicious like that
2018-05-14T09:57:37 < Haohmaru> and now i can assure you that you won't pass next time too, no matter what
2018-05-14T09:58:03 < stvn> i knew you'd say something niggerlicious like that
2018-05-14T09:59:24 < stvn> General updates to be compliant with Linux platforms.
2018-05-14T10:01:14 < Haohmaru> hm, i just wrote TRACE("* POR\n");
2018-05-14T10:03:14 < stvn> ok
2018-05-14T10:04:37 < Haohmaru> no, it's not okay, it's PORn
2018-05-14T10:06:45 < stvn> alright
2018-05-14T10:06:59 < Steffanx> stvn youre a bad Terry. Dont even try to be like Terry, because you wont be as good
2018-05-14T10:07:10 < stvn> i was never a terry
2018-05-14T10:07:30 < stvn> have you heard the shit most people blast through their audio equipment?
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2018-05-14T10:07:55 < Steffanx> Your last few sentences where totally Terry-like
2018-05-14T10:08:10 < Haohmaru> who's terry?
2018-05-14T10:08:14 < stvn> his dad
2018-05-14T10:08:51 < Steffanx> Terry Davis, templeos, Haohmaru
2018-05-14T10:08:53 < stvn> a famous computer builder who hates black people and jews
2018-05-14T10:09:09 < Steffanx> He doesnt hate them
2018-05-14T10:09:14 < Steffanx> He just thinks he does
2018-05-14T10:09:19 < Haohmaru> why? ;P~
2018-05-14T10:10:03 < stvn> better ask him
2018-05-14T10:10:36 < Haohmaru> so he doesn't say why, just spews hate?
2018-05-14T10:10:47 < stvn> yeah
2018-05-14T10:10:53 < Haohmaru> wonderful
2018-05-14T10:11:33 < stvn> you seem quite sold on this idea
2018-05-14T10:11:48 < Haohmaru> what idea?
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2018-05-14T10:12:29 < stvn> modifying an oil burner to spit out hate speech
2018-05-14T10:12:39 < stvn> drawing some crazy fucking eyes on it
2018-05-14T10:12:40 < stvn> https://www.inessence.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/image/1200x1200/e9c3970ab036de70892d86c6d221abfe/a/u/australian-native-aroma-diffuser-in-essence-8850003-10.jpg
2018-05-14T10:12:47 < Haohmaru> uhm, no
2018-05-14T10:13:27 < stvn> i purchased this as a mother's day present, i'll buy another one for modification purposes
2018-05-14T10:15:03 < Haohmaru> why does it look like a bong?
2018-05-14T10:17:20 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ae2Yu294/likethis.png
2018-05-14T10:17:46 < Haohmaru> that's an angry bong
2018-05-14T10:18:04 < stvn> it is an angry bong
2018-05-14T10:19:02 < stvn> better have an stm32 in there somewhere
2018-05-14T10:23:15 < Haohmaru> put two, glue them on the front as eyes
2018-05-14T10:23:36 < Haohmaru> use teh epoxy resin glue, so they don't fall off easily
2018-05-14T10:29:54 < stvn> good idea
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2018-05-14T10:44:57 < dongs> https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/995073044619014144
2018-05-14T10:50:20 < stvn> yeah
2018-05-14T10:50:42 < stvn> talk about opening a colostomy bag
2018-05-14T10:51:10 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/electrical-engineering/Convert-Matlab-Codes-Arduino-Codes/
2018-05-14T10:55:31 < Haohmaru> "codes" !?
2018-05-14T10:55:48 < stvn> da codes
2018-05-14T10:56:36 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/android/Audio-Unit-PCB-Design-with/
2018-05-14T10:56:38 < dongs> fucking aussies
2018-05-14T10:56:38 < Haohmaru> i heard ffmpeg can convert anything
2018-05-14T10:58:20 < stvn> bongheads
2018-05-14T10:59:12 < Haohmaru> this last guy is gonna code this in visual basic .net?!
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2018-05-14T11:04:19 < stvn> i say he should
2018-05-14T11:05:12 < Haohmaru> don't you need something microsofty to run that?
2018-05-14T11:05:57 < stvn> : [Global Notice] Hi all, freenode seems to have fallen foul of the IRC-version of a graffiti artist -- as such, those of you whose communities operate with -t channels, you may wish to check your channel topics, and if appropriate, revert them back to their previous state! 
2018-05-14T11:06:49 < Haohmaru> shkshkshk, fst, fsssssssssst, fst fst fssst, fssssssssst
2018-05-14T11:06:50  * Haohmaru runs
2018-05-14T11:17:25 < stvn> #leakingFaucetRoleplay
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2018-05-14T11:46:08 < dongs> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/13/business/deadly-convenience-keyless-cars-and-their-carbon-monoxide-toll.html people literally gassing themselves because stupid
2018-05-14T11:56:06 < srk> dongs: that's true for most ppl using convenience cars :P
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2018-05-14T12:06:38 < zyp> I hate it when my car does that
2018-05-14T12:12:51 < Haohmaru> ah, "smart cars"
2018-05-14T12:13:24 < Haohmaru> well, after all, they don't NEED a driver
2018-05-14T12:14:06 < zyp> joking aside, my car does some pretty fucking loud beeping if I open the driver's door while the car is on
2018-05-14T12:14:49 < zyp> it's annoying as fuck, so it's the first thing I'm gonna turn off when I get around to getting a VCDS cable
2018-05-14T12:15:39 < zyp> my friend's Polo without keyless does the same
2018-05-14T12:16:03 < zyp> so I think it's pretty fucking impossible to leave a modern VW while forgetting to turn it off
2018-05-14T12:20:09 < kaa> but when you don't think anything it's easy
2018-05-14T12:22:05 < zyp> could be
2018-05-14T12:22:51 < zyp> I once left my car on overnight while I slept in it
2018-05-14T12:43:23 < dongs> zyp, mine does that too if its in gear
2018-05-14T12:43:27 < dongs> which is obvious
2018-05-14T12:43:30 < dongs> but not if its just "on"
2018-05-14T12:47:19 < kaa> I need a small inexpensive regulator that has at least.. 18volts in operating range
2018-05-14T12:47:26 < kaa> 150mA constant output
2018-05-14T12:47:36 < kaa> @ 5volts
2018-05-14T12:47:51 < dongs> LM1117
2018-05-14T12:47:58 < kaa> not small
2018-05-14T12:48:24 < kaa> smaller than sot89
2018-05-14T12:48:45 < kaa> good W/K numbers for the size required too
2018-05-14T12:49:26 < kaa> i'll use series resistors in input to get a few volts out of voltage
2018-05-14T12:49:49 < kaa> probs more than 5volts total to series resistors
2018-05-14T12:50:05 < karlp> tps709
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2018-05-14T12:53:41 < zyp> dongs, mine beeps even in P
2018-05-14T12:54:02 < zyp> which is annoying as fuck if I'm just stopping to get the mail or something like that
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2018-05-14T12:56:45 < zyp> kaa, uh, you want a linear reg capable of providing 150mA@5V from 18V input, and it has to be smaller than LM1117?
2018-05-14T12:57:19 < zyp> it'll be dissipating 2W at those numbers
2018-05-14T13:02:20 < emeryth> doubles as power on led
2018-05-14T13:02:27 < zyp> this workstuff I've got here is using some cute switcher modules
2018-05-14T13:03:26 < zyp> they have the inductor stacked on top, and the entire thing is basically the size of the inductor
2018-05-14T13:03:33 < zyp> apparently they were a bitch to solder though
2018-05-14T13:03:59 < zyp> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps82130.pdf <- this shit
2018-05-14T13:04:07 < zyp> sadly they just go up to 17V in
2018-05-14T13:06:23 < zyp> this board has a larger module to make a 12V rail, and then three of these to make 5V, 3.3V and 1.2V rails
2018-05-14T13:08:07 < kaa> yeah
2018-05-14T13:08:10 < kaa> not inexpensive
2018-05-14T13:08:22 < kaa> inexpensive solution costs under 1dollar
2018-05-14T13:12:39 < zyp> enjoy your 2W dissipation then
2018-05-14T13:13:47 < kaa> did you read what i said about series resistors
2018-05-14T13:14:30 < kaa> I will add dropout voltage with series resistance
2018-05-14T13:17:08 < zyp> it doesn't matter where you dissipate it, it's still 2W dissipation
2018-05-14T13:17:19 < kaa> yes
2018-05-14T13:17:28 < kaa> it is given
2018-05-14T13:17:43 < kaa> the LDO needs to have overtemperature detection ofc
2018-05-14T13:18:10 < kaa> actually I have mechanism in the mcu that will shut the power after 8secs
2018-05-14T13:18:20 < kaa> and user needs to turn power back on
2018-05-14T13:18:50 < kaa> I may also implement overtemperature code that checks the temperature of the board and wont turn outputs on
2018-05-14T13:19:03 < stvn> i think its pretty
2018-05-14T13:19:08 < kaa> yes
2018-05-14T13:19:58 < stvn> http://www.ti.com/graphics/folders/partimages/TPS82130.jpg
2018-05-14T13:20:40 < BrainDamage> is that a cake shaped like a capacitor?
2018-05-14T13:24:01 < jpa-> kaa: use the mcu and a fet to make a crappy smps in front of the regulator?
2018-05-14T13:24:30 < jpa-> still better use of board space than just dissipating as heat
2018-05-14T13:24:32 < zyp> bootstrapping that sounds fun
2018-05-14T13:26:19 < jpa-> P & N dual mosfet, pull-up on P, N controlled by micro, a resistor in parallel with P-fet to give a small amount of initial current so that MCU can start up
2018-05-14T13:26:20 < BrainDamage> have the trans normally on with a weak pullup
2018-05-14T13:27:28 < BrainDamage> the switching regulator has the heat time constants margin to kick in
2018-05-14T13:27:58 < kaa> jpa-, that's wild
2018-05-14T13:28:05 < kaa> I have absolutelly no free space on board
2018-05-14T13:28:10 < kaa> absolutely none
2018-05-14T13:28:18 < kaa> I'm downsizing everything atm.
2018-05-14T13:28:26 < jpa-> um, how are you dissipating that 2W then?
2018-05-14T13:28:30 < zyp> haha
2018-05-14T13:29:03 < zyp> kaa, do you have some screenshots of this board? curious to see wtf you've done
2018-05-14T13:29:22 < jpa-> you could kind-of distribute that with some inner layer GND plane, but it'll be hard to get it there without a lot of vias and they take space also
2018-05-14T13:29:22 < kaa> it's work shiets
2018-05-14T13:29:36 < kaa> I have 4 layer
2018-05-14T13:29:46 < kaa> currently 78L05 in sot89
2018-05-14T13:30:01 < kaa> vias around ground pad dissapate heat to other layers
2018-05-14T13:30:50 < zyp> jpa-, instead of using resistors, he can just use a long thin trace packed into one of the inner layers
2018-05-14T13:30:58 < zyp> get that 2W spread all over the board
2018-05-14T13:31:00 < jpa-> go to 6 layers, use one of the layers ... yeah, exactly what zyp said :D
2018-05-14T13:31:20 < kaa> there is no space in inner layers
2018-05-14T13:31:28 < kaa> absolutelly none
2018-05-14T13:31:30 < jpa-> you can always get more layers
2018-05-14T13:31:42 < kaa> I need to seriously concider that
2018-05-14T13:31:54 < BrainDamage> i hope your current usage is pretty impulsive, so you can hear your board in every am radio in the proximity
2018-05-14T13:31:54 < zyp> how big is this board?
2018-05-14T13:32:13 < jpa-> one trick is to use a single P-fet to make a crappy pre-regulator that regulates to about Vgs (so 7..12V), needs only the FET with no external parts
2018-05-14T13:33:01 < jpa-> but because there is no space and no money, there is no solutions :P
2018-05-14T13:33:25 < jpa-> usually when one runs out of space, solution is to stack boards
2018-05-14T13:34:35 < kaa> no space above or under the board
2018-05-14T13:34:50 < kaa> I think I may just and just pull this off
2018-05-14T13:35:57 < jpa-> as in, get it into production, have it fail in the field in 3 months, blame someone else?
2018-05-14T13:36:16 < kaa> fuck yeah
2018-05-14T13:36:33 < stvn> hmm
2018-05-14T13:36:43 < kaa> currently I'm just downsizing
2018-05-14T13:36:55 < kaa> and the heat of the regulation is not the issue
2018-05-14T13:37:11 < zyp> just make it a rigidflex board, then you fold it up to make it fit
2018-05-14T13:37:27 < kaa> nobe
2018-05-14T13:37:27 < jpa-> .. yeah, 2W of heat in a large area is totally same as 2W of heat on your downsized board
2018-05-14T13:37:49 < zyp> still curious what this thing is
2018-05-14T13:41:25 < jpa-> maybe ##stm32 should sign an NDA with kakimir's employer
2018-05-14T13:41:35 < jpa-> we are basically acting as consultants already anyway
2018-05-14T13:41:56 < zyp> good idea
2018-05-14T13:42:18 < kaa> sign NDA with kakimirs daycare
2018-05-14T13:42:46 < kaa> *EE daycare
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2018-05-14T13:44:25 < stvn> eh?
2018-05-14T13:45:01 < stvn> where is kakimir
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2018-05-14T13:46:47 < Steffanx> Where is stvn?
2018-05-14T13:47:02 < stvn> not sure
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2018-05-14T14:07:42 < tct> the tectu has come
2018-05-14T14:07:46 < tct> the tectu has seen
2018-05-14T14:07:50 < tct> and the tectu has loved <3
2018-05-14T14:07:58 < jpa-> but has the tectu solved kakimir's problem?
2018-05-14T14:08:15 < tct> no one can solve kakimir's problem
2018-05-14T14:09:53 < jpa-> have you solved jpa's problem?
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2018-05-14T14:10:09 < tct> I'm still trying to
2018-05-14T14:10:43 < dongs> haha
2018-05-14T14:11:22 < jpa-> have you solved tct's problem?
2018-05-14T14:11:34 < tct> most of them, yes
2018-05-14T14:11:41 < jpa-> that's nice enough
2018-05-14T14:11:45 < jpa-> when are you coming to finland?
2018-05-14T14:12:02 < tct> dunno, when is it nice to go to finland?
2018-05-14T14:12:20 < jpa-> between now and september
2018-05-14T14:12:49 < tct> seems doable
2018-05-14T14:12:55 < tct> I have some forced vacation in july, I think
2018-05-14T14:25:58 < zyp> sup?
2018-05-14T15:09:17 < dongs> innovation stalled due to complete faggotry
2018-05-14T15:20:08 < zyp> tct, was it so that you're dicking around in .de from time to time?
2018-05-14T15:20:27 < zyp> I'm planning on going to .de some time this summer
2018-05-14T15:23:52 < tct> zyp, yes, I'm there on quite a regular basis
2018-05-14T15:24:11 < tct> I'm usually in Berlin as we have an office there
2018-05-14T15:24:32 < dongs> we = ugufx, inc?
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2018-05-14T15:24:43 < tct> no, the mother company of ugfx
2018-05-14T15:24:53 < tct> tectu engineering corp
2018-05-14T15:25:40 < dongs> kawaii engineering services co ltd
2018-05-14T15:25:53 < tct> very kawaii
2018-05-14T15:34:16 < zyp> tct, ah, not planning to go that way
2018-05-14T15:34:32 < tct> zyp, anything else is closer to swissland anyway
2018-05-14T15:35:26 < zyp> plan is to bring the car on the ferry to Kiel, drive down through the west side of germany, then take a detour through .nl on the way back
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2018-05-14T15:35:54 < dongs> see if you can get free keil on the way
2018-05-14T15:36:06 < zyp> haha
2018-05-14T15:36:13 < dongs> in kiel
2018-05-14T15:38:40 < tct> zyp, better loop through expensiveland
2018-05-14T15:53:54 < kaa> anyone know anything like max16910 but cheaper and lower voltage requirement
2018-05-14T15:58:14 < dongs> are you still searching for your shitty dream LDO?
2018-05-14T16:00:42 < kaa> basically I need enable pin
2018-05-14T16:01:16 < kaa> and 150mA constant
2018-05-14T16:01:22 < dongs> enable pin from what
2018-05-14T16:01:42 < kaa> shutdown pin for LDO
2018-05-14T16:01:45 < kaa> hmm
2018-05-14T16:01:59 < dongs> https://twitter.com/esp1488
2018-05-14T16:02:03 < dongs> yes, but whats going to toggle it
2018-05-14T16:02:30 < kaa> AP7380 diodes incorporated
2018-05-14T16:02:34 < kaa> what do you think
2018-05-14T16:03:19 < dongs> SOT25 package has teh worst fucking thetaJ spec of any package
2018-05-14T16:06:23 < kaa> yes
2018-05-14T16:06:36 < kaa> therefore I'm looking to have QFP
2018-05-14T16:06:45 < kaa> there seems to be nothing under 1euro
2018-05-14T16:07:02 < kaa> why to use this bullshit packs anyway
2018-05-14T16:07:10 < kaa> future when
2018-05-14T16:08:04 < kaa> WSON is nice
2018-05-14T16:10:19 < kaa> tps709
2018-05-14T16:10:26 < kaa> did someone mention that earlier
2018-05-14T16:11:35 < kaa> <karlp> tps709
2018-05-14T16:11:58 < kaa> I need to swallow
2018-05-14T16:12:20 < kaa> still cheaper and more suitable than max16910
2018-05-14T16:13:05 < karlp> tps709 has good thermal characteristics :)
2018-05-14T16:13:16 < karlp> sot23-5 is hideos, like dongs said.
2018-05-14T16:13:47 < karlp> you still have to have good board design to dothe dissipation, but at least you _can_
2018-05-14T16:14:09 < kaa> karlp, yeah yeah
2018-05-14T16:14:12 < kaa> this gonna be fine
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2018-05-14T16:22:11 < Steffanx> 2018: Saving file(s) during compilation is not possible.
2018-05-14T16:22:18 < Steffanx> The pro-tool.
2018-05-14T16:22:20 < dongs> that's keil for you
2018-05-14T16:22:28 < dongs> also why the fuck would ou do that
2018-05-14T16:22:33 < dongs> you know what non-pro tools do for you?
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2018-05-14T16:22:37 < dongs> they auto-save all open files before compiling
2018-05-14T16:22:42 < dongs> not sure what's worse actually!
2018-05-14T16:22:58 < kaa> keil for lyfe
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2018-05-14T16:23:09 < Haohmaru> dongs what do you suggest should happen?
2018-05-14T16:23:21 < dongs> Haohmaru: for user to decide , just like in keil
2018-05-14T16:23:47 < dongs> i could be editing something else while shit is compiling or before i hit compile, but  I know that what i'm editing in't going to be part of code im testing
2018-05-14T16:23:56 < Steffanx> Too lazy to cancel compilation because i pressed recompile and found an error during that
2018-05-14T16:24:02 < karlp> what, doesn't your pro compiler compðile things fast enough?
2018-05-14T16:24:09 < dongs> haha
2018-05-14T16:24:12 < Steffanx> Lol no
2018-05-14T16:24:47 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/support/man/docs/armcc/armcc_chr1359124217278.htm
2018-05-14T16:24:52 < dongs> use this to have megafast compiles
2018-05-14T16:25:19 < Steffanx> It doesnt even ask me if i want to cancel. That would be user friendliet
2018-05-14T16:25:20 < Steffanx> R
2018-05-14T16:25:45 < dongs> i dont think it cancels the build, no? it just says you cant save while building, fuck off
2018-05-14T16:26:13 < kaa> piss
2018-05-14T16:26:40 < Steffanx> Haha. The pro-tool.
2018-05-14T16:26:51 < Steffanx> And dongs triggered. 
2018-05-14T16:37:53 < zyp> you guys have weird requirements
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2018-05-14T16:40:34 < kaa> trigger'd
2018-05-14T16:43:50 < Haohmaru> this keil thing should have been name pro-tools
2018-05-14T16:43:57 < Haohmaru> oh wait, that name is taken >:)
2018-05-14T16:49:21 < Haohmaru> keil kitler \o
2018-05-14T16:49:28  * Haohmaru runs
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2018-05-14T16:57:21 < Cracki> why do you run?
2018-05-14T17:00:34 < Haohmaru> for excercize ya know
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2018-05-14T17:09:12 < Cracki> yes, steel your body
2018-05-14T17:29:16 < kaa> dongs, cancer is on my computer
2018-05-14T17:29:35 < kaa> I see there is usr directory in C:\
2018-05-14T17:33:58 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/happy_usb.png    that usb port looks quite happy to be there
2018-05-14T17:35:11 < tpw_rules> mmmm, kicad
2018-05-14T17:35:18 < tpw_rules> what's U2
2018-05-14T17:35:21 < tpw_rules> esp?
2018-05-14T17:35:28 < jpa-> that
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2018-05-14T17:45:07 < Ultrasauce> perhaps even....relieved
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2018-05-14T17:52:25 < srk> jpa-: http://48.io/~rmarko/random/espbrk.jpg
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2018-05-14T17:53:00 < srk> tuned my old esp breakout board a bit yesterday for fabhouse run
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2018-05-14T17:53:57 < jpa-> any idea whether it is better to remove the FR4 under the antenna or just to remove copper?
2018-05-14T17:54:12 < jpa-> not sure which the modules are tuned for, if any
2018-05-14T17:55:35 < srk> this was originally designed for pcb mill so this was easier / faster
2018-05-14T17:55:39 < srk> also traces are fat due to that
2018-05-14T17:56:03 < srk> isolated swd programmer attempt http://48.io/~rmarko/random/swdprog.jpg
2018-05-14T17:57:43 < srk> and a fe310 risc-v breakout (modified lofive boarD) http://48.io/~rmarko/random/lfive.jpg
2018-05-14T17:59:55 < Haohmaru> jpa- adjust yer 3d preview settings, enable the "show holes in copper zones" thing
2018-05-14T18:00:43 < jpa-> Haohmaru: thanks :D
2018-05-14T18:00:47 < jpa-> though i liked the happy port
2018-05-14T18:01:40 < Haohmaru> it won't be happy when someone tries to plug teh cable the wrong way with force
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2018-05-14T18:30:34 < gnom> https://i.imgur.com/9uqggYe.gif
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2018-05-14T19:34:29 < bitmask> why doesnt trustudio list any devices?
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2018-05-14T19:50:09 < bitmask> omg how ive missed you stdperiph
2018-05-14T19:58:49 < Steffanx> uh?
2018-05-14T19:59:56 < bitmask> the device list when creating a new project is empty... I had to load an example
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2018-05-14T20:22:13 < jadew> what's a good, cheap and fast shipping service for small packages?
2018-05-14T20:22:22 < jadew> by fast I mean 1 week within the EU
2018-05-14T20:22:39 < jadew> and by small I mean something that can fit in an envelope
2018-05-14T20:23:00 < Streaker> if your package is going to Germany you can hand it to a passing Turk.
2018-05-14T20:23:08 < jadew> haha
2018-05-14T20:23:48 < jadew> didn't check germany as a destination
2018-05-14T20:23:57 < jadew> UPS is quoting me 44 EUR for Romania to UK
2018-05-14T20:25:46 < jadew> 41 EUR to DE
2018-05-14T20:32:35 < Steffanx> DHL is surely cheapr than that
2018-05-14T20:32:44 < Steffanx> i waffles ship with dhdl
2018-05-14T20:32:46 < Steffanx> dhl
2018-05-14T20:35:43 < jadew> thanks, I'll check them out
2018-05-14T20:44:52 < aandrew> that seems awful expensive
2018-05-14T20:45:02 < aandrew> DHL is all over europe but is fairly pricey around here
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2018-05-14T20:45:53 < aandrew> jadew: what money sending sites are useful in .ro? western union is always popular but pricey. paypal's fees are teh suck. there's a bunch of others out there but which in your neck of the woods seem to get some use?
2018-05-14T20:46:16 < zyp> jadew, my experience is that it's hard to beat just plain mail
2018-05-14T20:46:51 < jadew> aandrew, if you're sending to someone in romania, you can just use the regular post
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2018-05-14T20:47:12 < jadew> aandrew, let me get you a link
2018-05-14T20:47:28 < aandrew> yes I will be sending into .ro from canada
2018-05-14T20:47:32 < jadew> zyp, yeah, I'll have to check what the post is offering too
2018-05-14T20:47:38 < jadew> aandrew, give me a sec
2018-05-14T20:47:58 < zyp> aandrew, maybe check transferwise?
2018-05-14T20:48:06 < aandrew> zyp: ah that was another one I heard of yes
2018-05-14T20:48:21 < jadew> aandrew: https://www.posta-romana.ro/e-mandat-cu-plata-online.html
2018-05-14T20:48:26 < zyp> I've got a transferwise account, but I haven't tried it yet
2018-05-14T20:48:26 < aandrew> I got a payoneer acct when I was dicking around on freelancer, but I've let it lapse. it's too much effort for too little return
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2018-05-14T20:48:37 < jadew> aandrew, that's what I use to send money to my grandmother
2018-05-14T20:48:45 < jadew> they have very low fees
2018-05-14T20:48:48 < aandrew> jadew: interesting, thank you, I'll check it out
2018-05-14T20:49:08 < jadew> aandrew, np
2018-05-14T20:49:15 < zyp> aandrew, depending on what you do, you could consider bitcoin
2018-05-14T20:49:47 < jadew> aandrew, also, the money gets delivered at the door
2018-05-14T20:49:53 < aandrew> interesting
2018-05-14T20:50:01 < aandrew> so you send it online but it is physically delivered?
2018-05-14T20:50:03 < zyp> I've done international transfers by buying bitcoin on a national exchange in one country and then immediately selling it to a broker in another
2018-05-14T20:50:06 < jadew> aandrew, yeah
2018-05-14T20:50:11 < zyp> ends up being faster and cheaper than swift transfers
2018-05-14T20:50:19 < aandrew> isn't there an issue with theft of the package or robbery of the mailman?
2018-05-14T20:50:29 < aandrew> zyp: interesting
2018-05-14T20:50:31 < jadew> aandrew, not your problem
2018-05-14T20:50:36 < jadew> but no, there isn't
2018-05-14T20:51:03 < jadew> you can have it delivered at the post office or in the account of the recipient
2018-05-14T20:51:03 < aandrew> interesting
2018-05-14T20:51:51 < jadew> mailmen are regularly carrying lots of money, because pensions are still paid in cash
2018-05-14T20:52:18 < jadew> I think pensioneers can opt for card payment, but the older ones don't want to be bothered with that
2018-05-14T20:52:39 < aandrew> interesting
2018-05-14T20:52:50 < aandrew> are tehre strong laws against robbing postmen or do you arm them or something?
2018-05-14T20:52:59 < jadew> don't think so
2018-05-14T20:54:13 < aandrew> here (and in the US) there are really, really strong laws against fucking with the mail in general
2018-05-14T20:55:02 < jadew> probably because they're needed
2018-05-14T20:56:21 < Steffanx> in this country you cant beat dhl. normal post isnt cheaper.
2018-05-14T20:56:32 < Steffanx> normal post being postnl
2018-05-14T20:56:56 < jadew> I'll try DHL after I finish implementing the API for UPS
2018-05-14T20:57:12 < jadew> I'll offer quotes from more delivery services
2018-05-14T20:57:23 < jadew> I wonder how many people will opt for UPS
2018-05-14T20:58:19 < BrainDamage> UPS is devil incarnate
2018-05-14T20:58:45 < jadew> I love that farnell is using them tho
2018-05-14T20:58:59 < jadew> for $5 / package
2018-05-14T20:59:01 < BrainDamage> I've dealt with so many express couriers, none except ups give me regular shenanigans
2018-05-14T21:01:27 < aandrew> yeah it's weird
2018-05-14T21:01:45 < aandrew> digikey ships most of canada for flat $8, duty/customs included. over $100, shipping is free
2018-05-14T21:01:56 < aandrew> digikey shipping rates inside the US are insane
2018-05-14T21:02:03 < aandrew> I think it's like US$12 and maybe you'll see it in 3 days
2018-05-14T21:02:11 < aandrew> canada it's all overnight
2018-05-14T21:02:35 < aandrew> as long as my order is placed before 9pm EDT it's at my door by noon
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2018-05-14T21:08:35 < karlp> ahh, being able to JIT everything
2018-05-14T21:08:40 < karlp> must be nice
2018-05-14T21:09:17 < aandrew> yes
2018-05-14T21:09:29 < aandrew> I have a lot of parts in my "stock" but there's always something 
2018-05-14T21:09:52 < aandrew> although lately I've been buying entire reels of rs and cs rather than a few hundred in a cut tape
2018-05-14T21:10:20 < aandrew> I bet I've got $5k in parts from various projects
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2018-05-14T21:10:51 < aandrew> it's not super well organized though. I have little cardboard boxes for inductors and antoher for regualtors and another for fets and another for diodes/leds/tvs etc.
2018-05-14T21:11:21 < aandrew> I have a bunch of plastic sleeves for film negatives that I intend to use for Rs and Cs and Ls, just have not got around to it
2018-05-14T21:14:36 < Steffanx> jadew, api? Going to start some business?
2018-05-14T21:15:12 < jadew> Steffanx, yeah, I'm still waiting on a permit so I can start production, but it's going to be soon
2018-05-14T21:15:26 < Steffanx> What are you selling?
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2018-05-14T21:15:51 < jadew> various stuff, depending on what's ready first
2018-05-14T21:15:58 < Steffanx> -_-
2018-05-14T21:16:18 < jadew> but only things I design
2018-05-14T21:16:21 < jadew> no reselling
2018-05-14T21:16:51 < Steffanx> ok, better say: "I'd rather not say at this moment." next time. That's more clear ;)
2018-05-14T21:17:01 < jadew> well, I can say a couple of stuff
2018-05-14T21:17:08 < jadew> for one, I want to get back to my LA project
2018-05-14T21:17:12 < Steffanx> Nah, we'll see. I guess
2018-05-14T21:17:41 < jadew> a couple of years back I thought that ship has sailed
2018-05-14T21:18:11 < jadew> but it looks like there aren't many good options when you have the needs I did, for a LA
2018-05-14T21:24:27 < dunnousernamefn> Is it easy to dynamically change clock sources for peripherals and the cpu?
2018-05-14T21:26:10 < Thorn> dunnousernamefn: it is as long as you don't switch to a clock that is not running lol
2018-05-14T21:41:00 < dunnousernamefn> I hear things can run from RAM, so I was wondering if I could load some stuff from SPI flash and run it as code
2018-05-14T21:41:06 < dunnousernamefn> How hard would that be?
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2018-05-14T21:43:02 < vampi-the-frog> hello
2018-05-14T21:43:18 < vampi-the-frog> what is it called when you pass one hand over the other and there's money in between and the money goes flying out
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2018-05-14T21:44:33 < vampi-the-frog> like gangstas do it
2018-05-14T21:44:48 < dunnousernamefn> I know what it is, but this a weird conversation already so I won't contribute
2018-05-14T21:45:31 < vampi-the-frog> you can pm me if you're shy my nizzle
2018-05-14T21:45:59 < aandrew> heh
2018-05-14T21:46:18 < aandrew> orcad is trying to steal altium's bidniz
2018-05-14T21:46:29 < vampi-the-frog> god would you stay on fucking topic?
2018-05-14T21:46:39 < vampi-the-frog> jeez aandrew 
2018-05-14T21:46:40 < aandrew> Get OrCAD for Just $430  |  Schematic  |  PCB  |  Perpetual License  |  No Size Limits 
2018-05-14T21:47:00 < Ultrasauce> vampi-the-frog: monetary precipitation
2018-05-14T21:47:10 < vampi-the-frog> go on
2018-05-14T21:47:26 < aandrew> jadew: what does your LA do that salae or its competitors dont' do?
2018-05-14T21:48:02 < vampi-the-frog> https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mak6ktGGkA1ru90dzo1_250.gif
2018-05-14T21:48:19 < vampi-the-frog> makin it rain
2018-05-14T21:48:44 < Ultrasauce> currency condensation
2018-05-14T21:48:52 < vampi-the-frog> wow
2018-05-14T21:49:00 < vampi-the-frog> just when I thought my dick couldn't get any harder
2018-05-14T21:49:45 < vampi-the-frog> one more
2018-05-14T21:49:47 < vampi-the-frog> make me jizz for jesus
2018-05-14T21:50:11 < Ultrasauce> downpour of dosh
2018-05-14T21:50:30 < vampi-the-frog> yes
2018-05-14T21:50:43 < vampi-the-frog> boy that was a hoot Imma take a shower
2018-05-14T21:50:47 < jadew> aandrew, 64 channels
2018-05-14T21:52:29 < englishman> lol @ orscam
2018-05-14T21:53:18 < Steffanx> vampi-the-frog: you fucking arsehole. Pumper. Why you shit this channel so much?
2018-05-14T21:54:06 < Ultrasauce> you're so mean steffy
2018-05-14T21:54:19 < vampi-the-frog> how is that on topic stef
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2018-05-14T21:54:22 < vampi-the-frog> https://media3.giphy.com/media/PGrUyUCv7h0TC/giphy.gif
2018-05-14T21:54:30 < vampi-the-frog> pumpers like to pump
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2018-05-14T21:54:57 < Steffanx> I meant: Hi vampi-the-frog welcome to ##stm32. But i guess it came out wrong.
2018-05-14T21:55:09 < Ultrasauce> that's better
2018-05-14T21:55:12 < vampi-the-frog> money is always on topic
2018-05-14T21:55:46 < aandrew> jadew: hm
2018-05-14T21:55:56 < Steffanx> Hows the usb thing getting along vampi-the-frog?
2018-05-14T21:55:56 < dunnousernamefn> Some people have legitimate questions though
2018-05-14T21:55:59 < aandrew> I can't remember the last time I needed anything more than 12 or 16 channels
2018-05-14T21:56:04 < aandrew> not many parallel buses anymore
2018-05-14T21:56:16 < vampi-the-frog> I am trying to get my shit together so no time for USB stuff lately
2018-05-14T21:56:25 < vampi-the-frog> I'll be starting a patreon for my drawings
2018-05-14T21:56:34 < Steffanx> Where can i donate?
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2018-05-14T21:56:59 < vampi-the-frog> thank you for considering donating
2018-05-14T21:57:10 < vampi-the-frog> I'll let you know when I've set up the new patreon
2018-05-14T21:57:15 < Steffanx> Excellent.
2018-05-14T21:57:22 < vampi-the-frog> right now I have one for another weird project of mine https://www.patreon.com/vampirefrog
2018-05-14T21:57:33 < dunnousernamefn> Is there a way to debug without destroying the flash and writing a billion times?
2018-05-14T21:57:42 < Steffanx> dunnousernamefn, dont worry.
2018-05-14T21:57:50 < vampi-the-frog> dunnousernamefn: you can use gdb
2018-05-14T21:57:54 < Steffanx> By the time you wear out the flash you'll be old and grumpy.
2018-05-14T21:57:55 < englishman> unless you plan on flashing 100k times I wouldn't worry about it
2018-05-14T21:58:02 < Ultrasauce> was that your reason for executing from sram?
2018-05-14T21:58:11 < dunnousernamefn> not exactly
2018-05-14T21:58:24 < dunnousernamefn> I wanted to store extra information
2018-05-14T21:58:32 < vampi-the-frog> I hadn't thought that executing from sram would save the flash, interesting
2018-05-14T21:58:40 < dunnousernamefn> not that
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2018-05-14T21:58:49 < stvn> a replacement for laurence has been installed
2018-05-14T21:59:05 < dunnousernamefn> I wanted to use lots of small binaries, e.g. games, but not have to reflash every time to get a new one
2018-05-14T21:59:14 < vampi-the-frog> Steffanx: I have so many projects, I wouldn't know how to market myself on patreon
2018-05-14T21:59:24 < dunnousernamefn> so I could have a DIP socket to put some SPI flash into, and use some sort of bootloader to move it
2018-05-14T21:59:28 < vampi-the-frog> most of them unfinished
2018-05-14T22:00:14 < Ultrasauce> you know in the last couple decades we came out with these cool devices called SD cards....
2018-05-14T22:00:30 < dunnousernamefn> yea, but they aren't low power enough, are they?
2018-05-14T22:00:31 < vampi-the-frog> make it rain sd cards
2018-05-14T22:00:44 < dunnousernamefn> I have probably 100 microamps to work with
2018-05-14T22:00:47 < Ultrasauce> for a handheld device?
2018-05-14T22:00:49 < dunnousernamefn> cuz y not
2018-05-14T22:00:51 < dunnousernamefn> ye
2018-05-14T22:01:27 < vampi-the-frog> Steffanx: what I mean is they're quite diverse
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2018-05-14T22:02:05 < Steffanx> aha, diversive is good vampi-the-frog. ##stm32 likes diversity.
2018-05-14T22:03:57 < Steffanx> What happened with your aversion for off-topic/craptalk/pumping vampi-the-frog?
2018-05-14T22:05:36 < vampi-the-frog> money is never off topic
2018-05-14T22:05:46 < kaa> need a movie
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2018-05-14T22:06:08 < Steffanx> Try youporn, kakimir. You'll find it on google.
2018-05-14T22:06:29 < kakimir> i don't need google for that
2018-05-14T22:06:29 < jadew> aandrew, you're right
2018-05-14T22:06:37 < vampi-the-frog> kakimir: Team America
2018-05-14T22:06:38 < jadew> but I'm not greedy, I don't want to capture the entire market
2018-05-14T22:06:40 < vampi-the-frog> it's by the south park guys
2018-05-14T22:06:51 < kakimir> w
2018-05-14T22:07:09 < kakimir> america fuck yeah
2018-05-14T22:07:10 < dunnousernamefn> so is there a way to use the st-link to upload code and reset without flashing?
2018-05-14T22:07:10 < vampi-the-frog> kakimir: don't look at trailers thought, they spoil the jokes
2018-05-14T22:07:16 < vampi-the-frog> murica FUCK YEAH
2018-05-14T22:07:19 < vampi-the-frog> freedom is the only way
2018-05-14T22:07:41 < PaulFertser> dunnousernamefn: yes, but all your code needs to be linked to run from RAM.
2018-05-14T22:08:02 < dunnousernamefn> is 128k enough for gamez?
2018-05-14T22:08:17 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk
2018-05-14T22:08:25 < PaulFertser> dunnousernamefn: You do not get 128k SRAM in most STM32 parts.
2018-05-14T22:08:37 < dunnousernamefn> no I mean flash
2018-05-14T22:08:40 < dunnousernamefn> but that is a good point
2018-05-14T22:09:00 < dunnousernamefn> is running from ram lower power or something?
2018-05-14T22:09:11 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnPWJOJYVKc
2018-05-14T22:09:45 < Steffanx> Are you really sure you want to dive into low power directly dunnousernamefn? It's going to be a hard and perhaps disappointing challenge.
2018-05-14T22:10:19 < Ultrasauce> .1mA is pretty ridiculously low
2018-05-14T22:10:28 < Steffanx> Especially when you want to drive a display and play snake on that.
2018-05-14T22:10:41 < dunnousernamefn> but it seems fun
2018-05-14T22:10:52 < PaulFertser> dunnousernamefn: yes, just do it all the normal, run from flash as everybody else.
2018-05-14T22:12:12 < dunnousernamefn> well, I'm using a memory LDC
2018-05-14T22:12:14 < dunnousernamefn> lcd
2018-05-14T22:12:30 < dunnousernamefn> it needs to last the whole school year
2018-05-14T22:13:58 < emeryth> just buy a big enough battery
2018-05-14T22:18:05 < Steffanx> How low power are those memory displays? Cant really find a figure
2018-05-14T22:18:15 < stvn> Following the victims’ deaths he would methodically wash them and store them beneath the floorboards, bringing them out periodically and even propping them up on armchairs where he would sit with them while watching TV and drinking.
2018-05-14T22:18:15 < stvn> He admitted to masturbating over some of the bodies.
2018-05-14T22:18:43 < dunnousernamefn> Steffanx, on update they draw at most 150 microwatts
2018-05-14T22:18:50 < Steffanx> Even during updates?
2018-05-14T22:18:53 < dunnousernamefn> if not updating it's at most 50 microwatts IIRC
2018-05-14T22:19:17 < dunnousernamefn> let me see
2018-05-14T22:19:30 < dunnousernamefn> e.g. https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Sharp%20PDFs/LS013B7DH03_Spec.pdf
2018-05-14T22:19:45 < Steffanx> oh here too https://www.sharpsma.com/sharp-memory-lcd-technology 
2018-05-14T22:20:07 < dunnousernamefn> on page 17, when not updating typ is 12 microwatts
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2018-05-14T22:27:43 < Steffanx> Your blog needs an update vampi-the-frog
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2018-05-14T22:30:14 < vampi-the-frog> which one?
2018-05-14T22:30:17 < vampi-the-frog> the patreon thing?
2018-05-14T22:30:58 < Steffanx> vampi tech
2018-05-14T22:33:21 -!- sykemyke [syke@kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
2018-05-14T22:40:05 < vampi-the-frog> sure
2018-05-14T22:41:25 -!- sykemyke [syke@kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32
2018-05-14T22:41:42 < vampi-the-frog> I like that you remembered it :P
2018-05-14T22:45:12 < aandrew> dunnousernamefn: I don't see why you couldn't use stlink to write to RAM and then set PC to the boot vector
2018-05-14T22:52:28 < BrainDamage> dunnousernamefn: since your power budget is so small, you should consider a solar cell to augment your battery
2018-05-14T22:52:41 < dunnousernamefn> was thinking that
2018-05-14T22:53:20 < BrainDamage> let's assume indoor illumination and a fluorescent lighting, 15W/m^2 ·1cm·5cm·0.1·0.5 is about 400uW
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2018-05-14T22:53:46 < vampi-the-frog> that's free money right there
2018-05-14T22:54:06 < BrainDamage> it doesnt' even have to match your peak consumption, not even runtime average, just long term average
2018-05-14T22:54:19 < BrainDamage> including the off time
2018-05-14T22:55:27 < Steffanx> but as dunnousernamefn planned on using it at school i think it wont be off much :P
2018-05-14T22:56:24 < dunnousernamefn> I'm in stm32cube, can I make the ADC not take three times as much as the whole system? :P
2018-05-14T22:56:56 < dunnousernamefn> I only need to read each channel (4) 60 times a second
2018-05-14T22:57:11 < BrainDamage> why do you need the adc?
2018-05-14T22:57:12 < dunnousernamefn> actually, what I'm trying to do is read the value of a 10k potentiometer
2018-05-14T22:57:23 < BrainDamage> use an optical encoder instead
2018-05-14T22:57:36 < dunnousernamefn> it's a premade module
2018-05-14T22:58:10 < dunnousernamefn> one of those PS2 joysticks
2018-05-14T22:58:32 < BrainDamage> ¯\_( ͡°⌣ ͡°)_/¯ 
2018-05-14T23:00:23 < dunnousernamefn> oooh ik
2018-05-14T23:01:12 < BrainDamage> I'd suggest to use a digital joypad if you can
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2018-05-14T23:01:30 < BrainDamage> it's not like you need analol values to play snek
2018-05-14T23:01:45 < Ultrasauce> how do you intend to meet your power budget with 10k across the power rails
2018-05-14T23:02:02 < BrainDamage> you toggle it on demand with a mos
2018-05-14T23:02:10 < BrainDamage> or you add a giant resistor in series
2018-05-14T23:02:22 < BrainDamage> less drop on the pot, less dissipation
2018-05-14T23:02:45 < BrainDamage> also, why didn't you follow your cue about timecube mentions
2018-05-14T23:03:06 < Ultrasauce> got bored of that already
2018-05-14T23:03:17 < Ultrasauce> should have made a bot
2018-05-14T23:04:53 < dunnousernamefn> timecube?
2018-05-14T23:06:36 < BrainDamage> https://web.archive.org/web/20160112212232/http://www.timecube.com/
2018-05-14T23:07:03 < Ultrasauce> Religious/Academic word  taught singularity is contradicted as evil lies by the simple math of the Cube's Opposite Corners - the most perfect symmetry within the Universe.
2018-05-14T23:07:03 < Ultrasauce> Academic SINGULARITY is a contradiction to the opposite sexes, the opposite hemispheres and to the universe of opposites that exist as a zero value existence. 
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2018-05-14T23:09:04 < Steffanx> Welcome Tectu. The vampi-the-frog was looking for you.
2018-05-14T23:09:20 < Tectu> who the fuck is vampi-le-frog?
2018-05-14T23:09:23 < vampi-the-frog> was I?
2018-05-14T23:09:30 < Tectu> ah, hi
2018-05-14T23:09:37 < Steffanx> No i just wanted to get you two in touch.
2018-05-14T23:09:41 < Steffanx> Do nice things together
2018-05-14T23:09:44 < vampi-the-frog> cool you wanna touch pee pees?
2018-05-14T23:10:16 < Tectu> I don even ask whether you would give me permission to
2018-05-14T23:10:51 < vampi-the-frog> um
2018-05-14T23:11:04 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has joined ##stm32
2018-05-14T23:11:07 < vampi-the-frog> sure yeah
2018-05-14T23:11:13 < vampi-the-frog> I like money hbu
2018-05-14T23:11:20 < Tectu> it´s not your decision man
2018-05-14T23:11:33 < Tectu> foreskin tube
2018-05-14T23:11:59 < vampi-the-frog> go fuck yourself
2018-05-14T23:12:09 < vampi-the-frog> get the fuck out of here
2018-05-14T23:12:32 < vampi-the-frog> I hope a shark bites your foreskin off
2018-05-14T23:13:01 < Steffanx> No sharkies in his homeland.
2018-05-14T23:13:18 < Tectu> please watch your language, Sir. This is a civilized community.
2018-05-14T23:13:24 < vampi-the-frog> that's the backstory of jewish rambo
2018-05-14T23:14:07 < Steffanx> irc has changed you vampi-the-frog. not sure if that's a good thing.
2018-05-14T23:14:18 < Tectu> who are you?!
2018-05-14T23:14:41 < vampi-the-frog> perhaps Steffanx can introduce us and we can curtsy
2018-05-14T23:19:35 < Steffanx> no, my job ended here.
2018-05-14T23:21:00 < vampi-the-frog> im joking
2018-05-14T23:22:33 < vampi-the-frog> anyway that was weird
2018-05-14T23:22:36 < vampi-the-frog> and it's bedtime
2018-05-14T23:22:37 < vampi-the-frog> cya
2018-05-14T23:22:42 < Steffanx> enjoy.
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2018-05-14T23:50:10 < Cracki> gay matchmaking? sign me up!
2018-05-14T23:50:33 < stvn> Hey everybody! I’m looking at gay porno!
2018-05-14T23:50:39 < kakimir> ##gay32
2018-05-14T23:51:18 < Cracki>  /j
2018-05-14T23:51:36 < stvn> Ty
2018-05-14T23:56:54 < stvn> If I was irc operator I could force everyone to join gay32
2018-05-14T23:57:23 < stvn> The crooked dictatorship
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2018-05-15T00:02:07 < kakimir> NSFW https://pictures.abebooks.com/BOLERIUM/14974065221.jpg
2018-05-15T00:03:57 < karlp> fucking hell, play station store is a disaster.
2018-05-15T00:04:02 < karlp> virtually impossible to give them money
2018-05-15T00:04:50 < stvn> It is
2018-05-15T00:05:33 < stvn> I’m too autistic to play anything with their controllers
2018-05-15T00:05:44 < stvn> I use pc
2018-05-15T00:07:12 < kakimir> playstation controller is made to fit to hands of 13years old japanize teenager
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2018-05-15T00:14:25 < karlp> hah, just had to do ti on the console instead of the webstore
2018-05-15T00:14:40 < karlp> I bet it was ps failing to handle this master card secure code bullshit
2018-05-15T00:17:34 < stvn> Hmm
2018-05-15T00:17:51 < stvn> ps and fail stick like glue
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2018-05-15T00:32:07 <@stvn> This would be handy if leeloo came back :P
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2018-05-15T00:32:54 < mitrax> stvn: the tranny?
2018-05-15T00:33:08 <@stvn> yeah, the tranny!
2018-05-15T00:36:37 < bitmask> woo, fuck work, I'm gonna stay in school and keep getting loans, getting about $2k back
2018-05-15T00:36:57 < Steffanx> -_-
2018-05-15T00:36:57 < bitmask> cash money bitches
2018-05-15T00:37:04 < bitmask> :/
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2018-05-15T00:38:19 < bitmask> $1800 is free money too, dont have to pay it back
2018-05-15T00:38:29 < Steffanx> You can do better than that bitmask
2018-05-15T00:38:37 < bitmask> haha I know
2018-05-15T00:38:48 < bitmask> Im just happy they granted me the loans to finish up
2018-05-15T00:39:01 < Steffanx> loans aint free right?
2018-05-15T00:39:02 < bitmask> they said yes then I was denied and they changed it to yes again
2018-05-15T00:39:24 < bitmask> they gave me a loan and a grant, the grant is 1800 and I dont have to pay that back
2018-05-15T00:40:16 < bitmask> the loan covers a little over the cost of the classes so I get a check for $2000 in the mail
2018-05-15T00:40:26 < dunnousernamefn> is it a bad idea to use an analog mux to switch a comparator?
2018-05-15T00:40:28 < Steffanx> In dutchland we would say: "for nothing goes the sun up"
2018-05-15T00:40:37 < dunnousernamefn> oops wrong channel
2018-05-15T00:41:37 < BrainDamage> dunnousernamefn: it's perfectly fine as long as you respect the settling time
2018-05-15T00:41:49 <@stvn> Where else would a sane man ask
2018-05-15T00:41:56 < dunnousernamefn> ##electronics
2018-05-15T00:42:01 < sync> pls
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2018-05-15T00:45:13 < stvn> Lol
2018-05-15T00:46:24 < dunnousernamefn> wait can I have operator
2018-05-15T00:46:35 < Steffanx> idk
2018-05-15T00:46:49 < dunnousernamefn> well, stvn knows all
2018-05-15T00:46:54 < Steffanx> Do you know a username?
2018-05-15T00:47:00 < dunnousernamefn> not really
2018-05-15T00:47:30 < dunnousernamefn> SN74CBT3253C will this explode or something
2018-05-15T00:47:49 < stvn> Certainly
2018-05-15T00:57:18 < Thorn> suddenly moar altiuming https://i.imgur.com/ouQuewY.png
2018-05-15T00:58:18 < englishman> LTC3355 is pretty neat
2018-05-15T01:00:37 < Cracki> you muricans never learn... it's "altiminium"!
2018-05-15T01:01:20 < Cracki> so what's the point of those 20 buttons?
2018-05-15T01:01:42 < Cracki> also you might wanna align the labels better
2018-05-15T01:05:12 < Steffanx> You know Thorn is Soviet right, cracki?
2018-05-15T01:05:50 < Cracki> алтиминиум then
2018-05-15T01:06:19 < antto> алтимаймуниум
2018-05-15T01:06:27 < dunnousernamefn> the one part I need is the one TI gives a 404 page for
2018-05-15T01:06:34 < dunnousernamefn> and it's in the database and google too
2018-05-15T01:08:29 < Steffanx> Good evening antto
2018-05-15T01:08:32 < Steffanx> Hows the day
2018-05-15T01:08:47 < antto> over
2018-05-15T01:09:00 < Steffanx> And how will the day be?
2018-05-15T01:09:32 < antto> average
2018-05-15T01:09:37 < Steffanx> Good
2018-05-15T01:09:49 < Steffanx> Have fun in the Soviet timezone
2018-05-15T01:10:04 < antto> i don't think i'm in the soviet timezone
2018-05-15T01:11:33 < Cracki> in capitalist russia, bread stands in line waiting for you!
2018-05-15T01:12:12 < antto> PREPARE YER MOUTH
2018-05-15T01:13:02 < Cracki> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/077/076/a1.jpg
2018-05-15T01:13:34 < antto> that too, cuz when you eat, u gon' sh*t
2018-05-15T01:13:56 < antto> unless u got a parasite
2018-05-15T01:13:59  * antto hides
2018-05-15T01:14:01 < Cracki> inspiring words
2018-05-15T01:14:26 < Cracki> this talk of parasites makes me want to sing the song of my ancestors
2018-05-15T01:14:36 < Steffanx> You speak the Soviet language. Thats enough anttonov
2018-05-15T01:14:56 < antto> bulgarian is not a soviet language
2018-05-15T01:15:40 < Thorn> btw I found an illuminated version of the same tact switch but I can't afford to waste even more time on this board :/
2018-05-15T01:18:10 < Thorn> also 9 capacitors for the display wtf
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2018-05-15T01:23:30 < Adluc> Hello guys is there any logic behind I2C in stm32's, that STM32F1/2/4,STM32L1 have different IP core than STM32F0/F3/F7,L0/4 ?
2018-05-15T01:24:19 < Cracki> F0/3/4 are newer ones
2018-05-15T01:24:26 < Cracki> (I think)
2018-05-15T01:27:46 < BrainDamage> correct
2018-05-15T01:41:30 < bitmask> well shit, I finally set up a stm32 c++ project, this will be fun
2018-05-15T01:41:36 < bitmask> I was getting tired of c
2018-05-15T01:46:19 < Adluc> bitmask: you should try Ivory
2018-05-15T01:46:21 < Adluc> http://48.io/~rmarko/book/
2018-05-15T01:46:52 < Adluc> https://github.com/distrap/ivory-tower-helloworld
2018-05-15T01:50:42 < Adluc> bitmask: how many WTF per minute are you experiencing?
2018-05-15T02:00:50 < englishman> https://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=602-1889-ND
2018-05-15T02:00:52 < englishman> 99bux damn
2018-05-15T02:01:36 < englishman> using Xbee for runway lights... they can't be serious
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2018-05-15T03:41:54 < sync> why not :D
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2018-05-15T03:55:57 < dunnousernamefn> so does doing something stupid like shorting a low and high pin with an LED make the flash empty
2018-05-15T03:56:08 < dunnousernamefn> and unwritable
2018-05-15T03:58:31 < dunnousernamefn> I'm being a bit excessive and trying to present variable-length analog numbers by using 2 LEDs since I don't have a serial driver working
2018-05-15T03:58:46 < dunnousernamefn> I'm not sure if I'm writing numbers correctly tho :P
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2018-05-15T04:07:01 < aandrew> wtf is ivory tower
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2018-05-15T04:07:57 < aandrew> looks like embedded python crap
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2018-05-15T04:33:57 < bitmask> I ignored it, I gave a perfectly good alternative to C (C++) which I was happy to use and stated so, why does everyone have to try and convince you to use something else. I know he didnt mean anything by it but cmon, do you, not me
2018-05-15T04:44:57 < Ultrasauce> hey have you tried rust yet
2018-05-15T04:46:14 < bitmask> :)
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2018-05-15T07:24:30 < Streake_> there's a 'GnaCAD' on the app store...
2018-05-15T07:24:41 < Streake_> so close...
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2018-05-15T08:55:50 < Steffanx> You shouldnt feed cats milk. They cant handle that
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2018-05-15T08:56:40 < Steffanx> Oh, kittens can handle it. Didnt know :P
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2018-05-15T09:25:14 < kakimir> need to pet kittens
2018-05-15T09:27:30 < zyp> Steffanx, can't handle what?
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2018-05-15T09:33:59 < Steffanx> Milk, zyp
2018-05-15T09:34:15 < Steffanx> Cow milk that is.
2018-05-15T09:35:05 < Haohmaru> coz it's for cows, duh
2018-05-15T09:38:13 < Steffanx> Not your best joke Haohmaru 
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2018-05-15T09:40:05 < Haohmaru> it wasn't a joke
2018-05-15T09:44:41 < Steffanx> Then its even less funnt. Youre doing it wrong
2018-05-15T09:44:57 < Haohmaru> sorry, boss
2018-05-15T09:50:22  * Haohmaru sends justinbieber-sorry.mp4 to Steffanx
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2018-05-15T09:54:54 < stvn> Mein krankenwagen ist kaput
2018-05-15T09:56:17 < mitrax> Das ist bedauerlich
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2018-05-15T09:57:26 < Haohmaru> unaceptaburu
2018-05-15T10:02:23 < stvn> Gooday sport
2018-05-15T10:03:05 < mitrax> hi
2018-05-15T10:06:32 < stvn> Sup
2018-05-15T10:08:01 < mitrax> not much, back from italy, ate like a pig for a week
2018-05-15T10:08:30 < stvn> Cool
2018-05-15T10:09:58 < stvn> The pig out
2018-05-15T10:13:59 < stvn> https://youtu.be/3gWNkTNnCFc
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2018-05-15T10:36:20 < kakimir> need kittens
2018-05-15T10:36:24 < kakimir> anyways
2018-05-15T10:36:41 < kakimir> karlp, do you have any tps709 laying around?
2018-05-15T10:37:38 < kakimir> could you anyhow characterize EN pin pullup for me?
2018-05-15T10:37:51 < kakimir> datasheet has only datapoint for it
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2018-05-15T11:12:23 < stvn> There’s this nigger camping out the front of 7-11, it’s been almost a month and his slave-boss hasn’t snatched him back
2018-05-15T11:17:37 < stvn> More concerning to me is how he had a full packet of cigarettes
2018-05-15T11:18:05 < Haohmaru> 7-11?
2018-05-15T11:18:19 < stvn> Yeah the crappy store
2018-05-15T11:18:40 < stvn> Next to the train station I get off in the cbd mate
2018-05-15T11:19:49 < stvn> Why hasn’t a street sweeper killed him
2018-05-15T11:21:19 < mitrax> stvn: that's so sweet that you're concerned about his health, smoking is bad indeed!
2018-05-15T11:21:56 < stvn> Ikr
2018-05-15T11:22:33 < stvn> $29 is a lot of money for a homeless nigger
2018-05-15T11:23:39 < mitrax> seriously? cigarettes cost that much in australia?
2018-05-15T11:27:01 < stvn> For a pack of 25 I think so
2018-05-15T11:27:12 < mitrax> damn
2018-05-15T11:28:14 < Haohmaru> wut o_O
2018-05-15T11:28:43 < Haohmaru> why are your packs of 25
2018-05-15T11:29:06 < Haohmaru> 25% moar cancer
2018-05-15T11:30:07 < stvn> Yea
2018-05-15T11:32:16 < Haohmaru> don't tell me they are also long ones (100s)
2018-05-15T11:41:31 < stvn> Eh?
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2018-05-15T11:47:39 < kakimir> 29aud?
2018-05-15T11:47:46 < kakimir> that is like 15euros
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2018-05-15T11:50:02 < mitrax> 18 actually, twice the price of a pack over here
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2018-05-15T11:53:08 < Haohmaru> a pack of 20 here is like 2.5 euros
2018-05-15T11:53:11 < kakimir> I wonder how much there is smuggling of cigarettes
2018-05-15T11:53:15 < kakimir> Haohmaru, where?
2018-05-15T11:53:20 < Haohmaru> bg
2018-05-15T11:56:00 < kakimir> dongs, how much in jp?
2018-05-15T11:56:33 < dongs> what is
2018-05-15T11:56:42 < dongs> cigs? no fucking clue i dont smoke
2018-05-15T11:57:00 < dongs> so i merged a branch into master (successfully for once) can i just delete it now? or just laeve it in the list of branches
2018-05-15T11:57:05 < dongs> i dont understand why it remains if its marge
2018-05-15T11:57:07 < dongs> merged
2018-05-15T11:57:09 < zyp> I have the impression that a pack of 20 is like 13 eur heres
2018-05-15T11:57:33 < zyp> based on a quick google search
2018-05-15T11:57:45 < zyp> I don't smoke either, so I don't know how that works out in practice
2018-05-15T11:58:19 < kakimir> sounds like norwegean pricing
2018-05-15T11:58:38 < zyp> yeah, that shit is taxed pretty hard
2018-05-15T11:58:50 < Haohmaru> dongs is gonna become a smoker soon with this github horror
2018-05-15T11:59:01 < kakimir> I think the percentage might be the same than elsewhere
2018-05-15T11:59:15 < zyp> hmm
2018-05-15T11:59:17 < Haohmaru> smokin' like a steam train express
2018-05-15T11:59:24 < kakimir> prices are just 70% higher generally
2018-05-15T11:59:29 < Haohmaru> ..on an uphill
2018-05-15T11:59:39 < kakimir> I only snus
2018-05-15T12:00:06 < zyp> apparently, cigarettes are taxed 2.59 NOK/ea, so a pack of 20 is taxed 52 NOK or 5.5 EUR
2018-05-15T12:01:13 < kakimir> speak in european
2018-05-15T12:01:56 < Haohmaru> das ist phantastisch
2018-05-15T12:02:39 < Haohmaru> kakimir does the "mir" part of your name mean peace?
2018-05-15T12:02:54 < kakimir> interesting
2018-05-15T12:02:59 < kakimir> I don't know
2018-05-15T12:03:10 < kakimir> but I'm going to say yes
2018-05-15T12:03:15 < Haohmaru> >:)
2018-05-15T12:03:36 < Haohmaru> there's something slavic in you
2018-05-15T12:03:50 < kakimir> it's given
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2018-05-15T12:08:23 < PaulFertser> dongs: if you do not need a branch anymore then you can delete it, yes. Branch is kept there in case you want to continue developing it.
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2018-05-15T12:12:08 < dongs> ok
2018-05-15T12:12:09 < PaulFertser> Some people consume https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naswar here, sometimes it includes chicken shit (literally).
2018-05-15T12:12:31 < dongs> when i delete a rach locally waht do i need to do to propagate to master?
2018-05-15T12:12:33 < dongs> branch
2018-05-15T12:12:40 < zyp> you mean remote?
2018-05-15T12:12:49 < zyp> git push origin :branch
2018-05-15T12:12:56 < zyp> deletes branch on the origin remote
2018-05-15T12:13:10 < zyp> i.e. git push origin :cocks
2018-05-15T12:13:33 < dongs> i dono i still have origin/crapbranch
2018-05-15T12:13:36 < dongs> even i deleted local one
2018-05-15T12:14:06 < zyp> then do what I said
2018-05-15T12:14:09 < dongs> so git push origin :crapbranch to delete it
2018-05-15T12:14:12 < zyp> yes
2018-05-15T12:14:13 < dongs> why the fuck does it need a cli
2018-05-15T12:14:30 < zyp> uh, I guess you could do it from sourcetree too
2018-05-15T12:14:30 < dongs> also holy shit taiwan LTE is amazing
2018-05-15T12:14:38 < dongs> downloading windowsupdate at 3meg/sec
2018-05-15T12:14:50 < dongs> more like 4 now
2018-05-15T12:15:26 < Haohmaru> enjoy the new undocumented features of cortana.exe
2018-05-15T12:15:48 < dongs> maybe you mised the part where i use computers to compute
2018-05-15T12:15:53 < dongs> i never used and never see cortana
2018-05-15T12:15:59 < dongs> i dont care waht fatures it has because i dont use them
2018-05-15T12:16:43 < karlp> git fetch --prune too.
2018-05-15T12:16:58 < karlp> if it was removed by someone else on the remote
2018-05-15T12:17:42 < karlp> kakimir: what doyou mean "characterize EN pullup" ?
2018-05-15T12:17:49 < dongs> fuck all these bullshit arcane cli gcommands
2018-05-15T12:17:52 < dongs> i use windows for a reasn
2018-05-15T12:17:56 < dongs> that i dont have to deal with this shit
2018-05-15T12:17:58 < zyp> karlp, I read it as "waste time"
2018-05-15T12:18:26 < zyp> dongs, good thing doing this in sourcetree is so intuitive and obvious then
2018-05-15T12:19:24 < BrainDamage> mitrax: where have you been?
2018-05-15T12:19:42 < mitrax> BrainDamage: Genova
2018-05-15T12:19:43 < karlp> is Haohmaru in .bg oh, bulgaria, not belgium, 
2018-05-15T12:19:50 < karlp> I thought 2.5€ was cheap for belgium.
2018-05-15T12:20:24 < BrainDamage> nice food, but the city is horrible, i hope you moved along the coast
2018-05-15T12:20:31 < BrainDamage> that city gives me depression
2018-05-15T12:20:48 < Haohmaru> karlp .bg, not .be
2018-05-15T12:21:44 < mitrax> BrainDamage: yeah, the city was disappointing, but i knew what to expect, sortof, the old city center is cool though, too bad it's a mix of nice old buildings and newer concrete constructions
2018-05-15T12:27:16 < mitrax> BrainDamage: been to Lucca / Florence / Como / Cinque Terre / Venezia / Torino these last years, Genova is surely at the bottom of the list, haven't visited the south yet, but for Napoli / Roma etc i'll have to go by plane, too fucking far away by car
2018-05-15T12:30:08 < dongs> aretn all those places in intaly
2018-05-15T12:30:09 < dongs> italy
2018-05-15T12:30:26 < mitrax> dongs: yup
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2018-05-15T12:53:25 < karlp> I like how the conclusion is "potentially tens of meters" http://www.eenewseurope.com/news/non-line-sight-underwater-optical-communications-0?news_id=105688
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2018-05-15T12:58:52 < Haohmaru> why not use a f*cking cable instead
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2018-05-15T13:06:54 < Steffanx> Haohmaru and antto are one and the same?
2018-05-15T13:07:01 < Steffanx> Or just sisters?
2018-05-15T13:07:08 < Haohmaru> >:(
2018-05-15T13:07:46 < Haohmaru> it'z me, duh
2018-05-15T13:08:06 < Haohmaru> who's sister are you, Steffanx?
2018-05-15T13:11:24 < Steffanx>  Im dad.
2018-05-15T13:13:02 < stvn> welcome
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2018-05-15T13:52:41 < karlp> Haohmaru: yeah, exactly, if it's only going to be so short :)
2018-05-15T13:56:59 < stvn> 555
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2018-05-15T14:08:13 < tomeaton17> Anyone have experience with battery modelling? I have a coloumb counter and a way to measure voltage, but not sure what to do with the data
2018-05-15T14:12:11 < jpa-> what is your goal?
2018-05-15T14:14:26 < tomeaton17> I would like to create a model which can estimate the state of charge of the battery
2018-05-15T14:17:11 < karlp> lolrence, did you see murata+microchip doing ECG shit via mems accels?
2018-05-15T14:17:47 < stvn> where is laurence?
2018-05-15T14:17:49 < karlp> "BCG"
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2018-05-15T14:21:00 < Haohmaru> he woz banned
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2018-05-15T14:38:08 < Haohmaru> :~(
2018-05-15T14:38:33 < Haohmaru> IN DA NUTS
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2018-05-15T16:36:00 < bitmask> oi oi oi
2018-05-15T16:37:53 < karlp> http://www.seeedstudio.com/blog/2017/07/23/why-are-printed-circuit-boards-are-usually-green-in-colour/
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2018-05-15T16:39:15 < bitmask> https://vimeo.com/268233670
2018-05-15T16:40:16 < sync> I've seen clear before
2018-05-15T16:40:19 < sync> and it looks strange
2018-05-15T16:40:26 < sync> in a 6 layer board
2018-05-15T16:43:10 < Haohmaru> coz green is moar Green
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2018-05-15T16:50:04 < karlp> no, that' snotit at all.
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2018-05-15T16:56:38 < Haohmaru> snots tend to be yellow-green-ish
2018-05-15T16:56:58 < Haohmaru> sometimes bloody
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2018-05-15T17:37:28 < englishman> karlp: according to my pcb guy, it is the fastest colour to develop, and therefore the cheapest
2018-05-15T17:38:30 < karlp> probably because of the same reasons seeed says,  it got more r&d on it, to make it better, for those sorts of reasons.
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2018-05-15T17:39:16 < englishman> idk, these are just fluids they buy, i'm pretty sure if another colour was faster they would switch to that instead
2018-05-15T17:39:43 < karlp> yeah, your pcb guy didnt' do the r&d on teh fluid, but someone did.
2018-05-15T17:39:49 < englishman> right
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2018-05-15T17:41:56 < aandrew> when will altidumb get the ability to place text centered relative to its location?
2018-05-15T17:42:02 < aandrew> this would be very helpful for assembly drawings
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2018-05-15T18:25:40 < tct> Details
2018-05-15T18:25:40 < tct> Component J4 at 27.25mm,4.3mm: Can't perform revision status validation: Revision not found.
2018-05-15T18:25:44 < tct> wtf is this, altium?
2018-05-15T18:29:03 < aandrew> sounds like you pulled something from the vault, and the vault has a new version, and it's having trouble updating for whatever reason
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2018-05-15T18:31:06 < tct> well I pulled it from the vault, yep.
2018-05-15T18:31:20 < tct> can you tell it not to fuck around?
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2018-05-15T19:01:45 < jadew> https://twitter.com/INITIO_FINEM/status/995436154001371136/photo/1
2018-05-15T19:02:36 < jadew> that's the PM of Israel, congratulating the eurovision winner
2018-05-15T19:04:40 < tct> how is this related to my interests?
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2018-05-15T19:16:00 < englishman> >vault
2018-05-15T19:16:01 < englishman> problem found
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2018-05-15T19:50:59 < tct> this altium sometimes does weird stuff
2018-05-15T19:52:00 < karlp> very pro
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2018-05-15T20:04:51 < jpa-> my altium sometimes looks like kicad and it does worry me a bit
2018-05-15T20:07:46 < kakimir> backlog my mention about how altium hires kicad developers
2018-05-15T20:08:04 < kakimir> maybe it's true
2018-05-15T20:08:08 < Steffanx> maybe?
2018-05-15T20:08:23 < kakimir> or maybe altium devs do kicad in their free time
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2018-05-15T20:51:40 < tct> how are you feeling today, people?
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2018-05-15T20:56:20 < kakimir> poor
2018-05-15T20:57:12 < antto> while (kakimir->is_poor() == true) { kakimir->rob(&bank); }
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2018-05-15T20:58:42 < kakimir> you know moneys are bits nowdays
2018-05-15T20:59:03 < tct> why do you feel that way, Sir?
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2018-05-15T21:01:51 < kakimir> because everybody uses online bank payments and chip cards
2018-05-15T21:07:04 < antto> some people still stuff teh moneyz under teh bed
2018-05-15T21:07:46 < antto> teh precioussss
2018-05-15T21:07:48 < kakimir> thats poor
2018-05-15T21:08:49 < kakimir> to not have wall bolted safe
2018-05-15T21:09:29 < kakimir> I have
2018-05-15T21:09:32 < kakimir> it's plastic
2018-05-15T21:09:51 < kakimir> there is no doubt I couldn't break it with one hand
2018-05-15T21:14:46 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome, tct.
2018-05-15T21:14:47 < Steffanx> have room?
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2018-05-15T22:13:11 < stvn> don't drop your hat
2018-05-15T22:14:27 < kakimir> what do you mean oracle?
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2018-05-15T22:20:54 < upgrdman> dongs, you around?
2018-05-15T22:21:51 < upgrdman> iirc you said your bike looks a lot like mine. any idea how to adjust the angle of the handlebar grips? is it the screw at the base of the grip... looks like it's for the brake level but maybe that determines the angle of the grip too?
2018-05-15T22:22:03 < upgrdman> s/level/lever
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2018-05-15T22:27:07 < kakimir> movie
2018-05-15T22:27:13 < kakimir> stvn, movie
2018-05-15T22:27:20 < upgrdman> kakimir, just watched Strange Days last weekend
2018-05-15T22:27:27 < upgrdman> weird/interesting sci fi
2018-05-15T22:27:39 < kakimir> sounds familiar
2018-05-15T22:27:42 < upgrdman> acting wasn't very good, but the story was interesting
2018-05-15T22:28:12 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-15T22:28:24 < kakimir> I watched that like a year ago
2018-05-15T22:28:45 < upgrdman> oh
2018-05-15T22:28:59 < upgrdman> Maria Full of Grace, was an excellent movie if you dont mind subtitles
2018-05-15T22:29:00 < kakimir> probs advertised it on this channel too
2018-05-15T22:29:44 < kakimir> based on trailer I don't buy that
2018-05-15T22:30:34 < stvn> kakimir: bad boy bubby
2018-05-15T22:31:00 < kakimir> sound familiar
2018-05-15T22:31:08 < kakimir> sounds like rejected movie recommend
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2018-05-15T22:32:37 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8B16DGq60Q
2018-05-15T22:45:06 < mitrax> stvn: ahahaha
2018-05-15T22:46:20 < mitrax> stvn: iirc they actually killed the cat for the movie (bad boy bubby)
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2018-05-15T22:47:31 < jadew> is that where we draw the line for killing animals? movies?
2018-05-15T22:50:57 < jadew> we kill hundreds of millions of animals daily
2018-05-15T22:51:57 < jadew> one cat killed in 90's for a movie pales by comparison
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2018-05-15T22:53:16 < stvn> mitrax: be still you little cunt!
2018-05-15T22:53:19 < mitrax> jadew: sure, still it was not enjoyable to watch, the same way it's not enjoyable to watch animals being killed in a slaughter house
2018-05-15T22:53:40 < jadew> mitrax, yeah, that's true
2018-05-15T22:53:49 < jadew> I saw a movie like that, where they killed animals for real
2018-05-15T22:53:50 < zyp> I'm not into the killing of animals so much, but I enjoy eating them afterwards
2018-05-15T22:54:06 < jadew> the movie was still shit
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2018-05-15T22:55:42 < Steffanx> Why so early stvn?
2018-05-15T22:56:09 < vampi-the-frog> hello internet
2018-05-15T22:56:21 < Steffanx> We are not the internet. We. Are. ##stm32
2018-05-15T22:56:28 < mitrax> zyp: same here, but i only eat (or try to) animals that i could kill myself without feeling bad, that's completely arbitrary but it works for me
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2018-05-15T22:57:33 < Steffanx> no movies kakimir. So far 2018 movies sucked
2018-05-15T22:57:48 < vampi-the-frog> is this the socially awkward cisgender heterosexual white male channel?
2018-05-15T22:58:04 < kakimir> old underrated movies also will do
2018-05-15T22:58:14 < vampi-the-frog> kakimir: el topo
2018-05-15T22:58:15 < Steffanx> No. Try ##electronics vampi-the-frog
2018-05-15T22:58:18 < kakimir> vampi-the-frog, join #gay32
2018-05-15T22:58:26 < kakimir> sorry ##gay32
2018-05-15T22:58:35 < Steffanx> Tried Jumanji kakimir?
2018-05-15T22:58:41 < Steffanx> Game Night?
2018-05-15T22:58:48 < Steffanx> Black Panter?
2018-05-15T22:58:51 < kakimir> hmm
2018-05-15T22:58:52 < Steffanx> Pacific Rim?
2018-05-15T22:58:56 < kakimir> black panther
2018-05-15T22:59:00 < vampi-the-frog> I was just in ##cuck32
2018-05-15T22:59:03 < jadew> Steffanx, yep, 2018 movies sucked
2018-05-15T22:59:07 < Steffanx> Maze Runner?
2018-05-15T22:59:09 < kakimir> pacific rim was not in youtube movies iirc
2018-05-15T22:59:21 < mitrax> pacific rim is crap
2018-05-15T22:59:26 < kakimir> sure thing
2018-05-15T22:59:28 -!- banandana is now known as banandana|msp430
2018-05-15T22:59:33 < Steffanx> The Commuter?
2018-05-15T22:59:40 < Steffanx> Down Sizing?
2018-05-15T22:59:43 < jadew> mitrax, what sort of animals are those?
2018-05-15T22:59:45 < Steffanx> Thor: Ragnarok?
2018-05-15T22:59:49 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-15T22:59:52 < kakimir> that was nice
2018-05-15T22:59:58 < kakimir> downsizing not available
2018-05-15T23:00:13 -!- banandana|msp430 is now known as banandana
2018-05-15T23:00:22 < jadew> hmm, I think down sizing wasn't that bad
2018-05-15T23:00:32 < kakimir> and no for Liam Neeson
2018-05-15T23:00:41 < kakimir> lemme see again
2018-05-15T23:01:05 < jadew> but still, no movies that will be worth rewatching
2018-05-15T23:01:18 < Steffanx> Nope. Not even close
2018-05-15T23:01:19 < jadew> let me check my rating history tho
2018-05-15T23:01:22 < kakimir> it's fuckin tease man.. youtube movies has it but can't watch it
2018-05-15T23:01:34 < Steffanx> I dont rate, but i do remember them
2018-05-15T23:01:45 < jadew> I don't rate them all
2018-05-15T23:01:56 < stvn> Why am I up early?
2018-05-15T23:02:11 < stvn> I need to defrost
2018-05-15T23:02:29 < vampi-the-frog> any mel brooks classic
2018-05-15T23:02:49 < Steffanx> !wz Melbourne
2018-05-15T23:02:51 < englishbot> [Melbourne, Australia] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 9.4°C. SE wind: 1.0 kph. Humidity: 100%.
2018-05-15T23:02:53 < Steffanx> i see
2018-05-15T23:02:56 < vampi-the-frog> The Producers
2018-05-15T23:02:58 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-05-15T23:03:00 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 16.4°C. NW wind: 3.1 kph. Humidity: 70%.
2018-05-15T23:03:08 < stvn> Ty
2018-05-15T23:03:08 < Steffanx> !wz vampi
2018-05-15T23:03:08 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-05-15T23:03:13 < Steffanx> Damnit, vampi isnt hot.
2018-05-15T23:03:29 < kakimir> !wz EFOU
2018-05-15T23:03:30 < englishbot> [EFOU, Finland] Clear. Temp is 12°C. North wind: 6 kph. Humidity: 82%.
2018-05-15T23:03:38 < jadew> I gave this a 6: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6890582
2018-05-15T23:03:42 < stvn> Is the bot running on stm32
2018-05-15T23:03:44 < vampi-the-frog> I am cool B-)
2018-05-15T23:03:48 < jadew> 6 = entertaining
2018-05-15T23:03:59 < Steffanx> hm
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2018-05-15T23:04:36 < mitrax> jadew: chicken / fish / duck, basically non mammals, i still eat pork though but i couldn't kill one, rabbit i make an exception too since i've realized they're damn stupid
2018-05-15T23:04:52 < zyp> !wz ENCN
2018-05-15T23:04:53 < englishbot> [ENCN, Norway] Clear. Temp is 15°C. SSW wind: 9 kph. Humidity: 88%.
2018-05-15T23:04:54 < jadew> mitrax, lol
2018-05-15T23:05:45 < kakimir> !wz EFKU
2018-05-15T23:05:46 < englishbot> [EFKU, Finland] Clear. Temp is 19°C. WNW wind: 9 kph. Humidity: 73%.
2018-05-15T23:05:51 < kakimir> thats better
2018-05-15T23:05:57 < Steffanx> !wz kaki
2018-05-15T23:05:58 < kakimir> I won
2018-05-15T23:05:59 < englishbot> [Kaki Barama, Niger] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 35°C. South wind: 4 kph.
2018-05-15T23:06:03 < Steffanx> yes you did
2018-05-15T23:06:04 < kakimir> I won again
2018-05-15T23:06:07 < Steffanx> You're hot.
2018-05-15T23:07:38 < jadew> !wz bucharest
2018-05-15T23:07:40 < englishbot> [Bucharest, Romania] Clear. Temp is 21.0°C. SSE wind: 4.0 kph. Humidity: 69%.
2018-05-15T23:07:49 < jadew> looks like I won
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2018-05-15T23:08:32 < jadew> unless Steffanx is in Niger
2018-05-15T23:08:59 < jadew> btw, that movie I linked, you can find on netflix
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2018-05-15T23:09:44 < Steffanx> no kakimir is, jadew
2018-05-15T23:10:16 < Steffanx> i dont see it jadew
2018-05-15T23:10:28 < Steffanx> dutch netflix is awful
2018-05-15T23:10:47 < jadew> Steffanx, it's called differently
2018-05-15T23:10:52 < jadew> let me look up the english title
2018-05-15T23:10:55 < Steffanx> i guess that was the case
2018-05-15T23:10:57 < mitrax> jadew: once i was travelling by train, a girl behind me had a rabbit in a cat travel box (the ones with a clippable cover and a metal grid on the side) for some reason the rabbit decided it could escape through a 3cm by 3cm, his muzzle got stuck, teeth hooked into the grid, the girl started crying and asked for help, all "please do something, i can't watch"
2018-05-15T23:11:07 < Steffanx> but 5.8, comedy, im not really into comedy
2018-05-15T23:11:12 < Steffanx> not when it comes to movies
2018-05-15T23:11:18 < jadew> Steffanx, it's not really a commedy
2018-05-15T23:11:45 < jadew> Psychokinesis
2018-05-15T23:11:59 < Steffanx> oh it was that. it did find that
2018-05-15T23:12:28 < jadew> just keep in mind, it's not a good movie, just entertaining
2018-05-15T23:12:45 < jadew> as in... you can watch while doing something else (if you understand korean)
2018-05-15T23:12:54 < kakimir> mitrax, please end the story?
2018-05-15T23:13:00 < jadew> mitrax, is that when you started to eat rabbit?
2018-05-15T23:13:12 < kakimir> you killed the rabbit right?
2018-05-15T23:14:44 < mitrax> jadew: i tried to unhook the teeth and free its muzzle gently, but couldn't, then the fucking thing moved and cut his tongue, blood squirted on the girls thighs and my jeans, i then freed its head and the thing went berzerk inside the box, kicking with his legs like crazy for a good 2 min throwing hay (that she had put in the box) everywhere 
2018-05-15T23:14:54 < mitrax> jadew: then it died, heart attack probably
2018-05-15T23:15:34 < jadew> who ate it?
2018-05-15T23:15:43 < mitrax> jadew: and i spent the rest of the trip and the next 4 hours in my seat, with blood on my jeans, and a smell of hay / piss / blood in the air
2018-05-15T23:16:00 < mitrax> jadew: nobody :) it probably got burried
2018-05-15T23:16:31 < jadew> I had a rabbit once, I don't know why it died, but it was awful to watch
2018-05-15T23:16:37 < jadew> it died the day I got it
2018-05-15T23:17:37 < jadew> it woke us up in the middle of the night, when we got there (we let it loose in the kitchen) it was jumping and spinning in the air
2018-05-15T23:17:43 < jadew> did that a couple of times then it died
2018-05-15T23:17:44 < mitrax> ahahahah
2018-05-15T23:18:15 < jadew> I got it at an exchange with another kid
2018-05-15T23:18:16 < mitrax> man that's horrible, were you a kid?
2018-05-15T23:18:21 < jadew> gave him a toy car for the rabbit
2018-05-15T23:18:24 < jadew> yeah
2018-05-15T23:18:34 < kakimir> once drove over rabbit with a tractor
2018-05-15T23:18:52 < kakimir> I didn't hit it - it went between the tyres
2018-05-15T23:19:00 < kakimir> died
2018-05-15T23:19:04 < tct> so you uber'd it?
2018-05-15T23:19:32 < kakimir> then I continued working and few hours later when the field was finished I confirmed it was dead
2018-05-15T23:20:09 < mitrax> kakimir: free slipper !
2018-05-15T23:20:24 < mitrax> kakimir: just one though
2018-05-15T23:20:39 < jadew> my son gets a rabbit from time to time from kindergarten (they can keep it over the weekend) and I'm always afraid it could die on us
2018-05-15T23:20:50 < kakimir> mitrax, how traumatized the girl was?
2018-05-15T23:21:42 < jadew> kakimir, probably more than she realized
2018-05-15T23:21:58 < kakimir> you were like "uhm... my stop is next! bye!" and went to another car
2018-05-15T23:21:59 < mitrax> kakimir: she didn't realize it was dead until one hour or two passed and it didn't move, my fault though, after the berzerk phase i told her it was probably in shock and "resting"
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2018-05-15T23:22:03 < jadew> but kids deal with this stuff better than we do
2018-05-15T23:22:31 < mitrax> kakimir: i thought so too until i looked through the cage, it was on its back with its tongue half tongue hanging from its mouth
2018-05-15T23:22:33 < jadew> mitrax, how old was the girl?
2018-05-15T23:22:39 < mitrax> jadew: 20ish
2018-05-15T23:22:48 < jadew> ah... she'll be fine
2018-05-15T23:22:53 < kakimir> rabbit is not much of a social being
2018-05-15T23:23:08 < kakimir> there is not that much of bonding
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2018-05-15T23:23:33 < jadew> kakimir, you'd be surprised
2018-05-15T23:23:48 < jadew> most animals can bond
2018-05-15T23:23:54 < kakimir> I had rabbits once and those were bastards
2018-05-15T23:24:20 < jadew> the one my kid gets from kindergarten is really cute
2018-05-15T23:24:23 < kakimir> biting and kicking
2018-05-15T23:24:34 < jadew> comes to you and lets you pet it and also plays with stuff
2018-05-15T23:24:35 < mitrax> funny thing is she tried to get in touch with a vet from the train to get an appointment in the evening when she'd arrive, i didn't dare telling her animal was dead :D
2018-05-15T23:24:45 < kakimir> then escaping pethood
2018-05-15T23:24:51 < kakimir> into the wild
2018-05-15T23:25:55 < jadew> mitrax, did it loose a lot of blood?
2018-05-15T23:26:01 < jadew> *lose
2018-05-15T23:27:33 < mitrax> jadew: not really, maybe 3 or 4 cl, but since it squirted when its tongue got cut the scene looked a bit gruesome
2018-05-15T23:28:57 < jadew> mitrax, that's like half their blood
2018-05-15T23:29:34 < jadew> wikipedia says they have about 56 ml/kg
2018-05-15T23:29:49 < mitrax> jadew: it was one of those high speed train where your seat number is pre-assigned, i'll always remember the face of the woman that got in at the next station and who had a seat next to her, the girl was in the restroom washing herself or to give a phone call, so both seats were vacant, but there was hay and dried blood on the car window
2018-05-15T23:30:48 < zyp> are they very nazi on being in your assigned seat?
2018-05-15T23:30:49 < stvn> Gooday fokes
2018-05-15T23:31:03 < mitrax> jadew: she starred and you could tell she was trying hard to figure out what could have happened
2018-05-15T23:31:21 < jadew> mitrax, anyone filled her in?
2018-05-15T23:31:22 < mitrax> zyp: not really but the train was packed
2018-05-15T23:31:28 < mitrax> jadew: i did :)
2018-05-15T23:31:43 < stvn> I’m on a train
2018-05-15T23:32:28 < jadew> I think I have to hire a designer
2018-05-15T23:32:36 < jadew> I can't even pick colors that go well together
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2018-05-15T23:33:09 < stvn> I want to print 500 ##stm32 shirts and donate them to homeless people
2018-05-15T23:33:17 < jadew> lol
2018-05-15T23:33:18 < jadew> do that
2018-05-15T23:34:06 < jadew> how much would that cost?
2018-05-15T23:34:16 < stvn> $20 I think
2018-05-15T23:34:46 < stvn> And 2 bowls of rice
2018-05-15T23:35:13 < stvn> I’ll sprinkle some amphetamine on it too
2018-05-15T23:35:26 < mitrax> kakimir: have you seen "it follows" ?
2018-05-15T23:35:33 < kakimir> no thanks
2018-05-15T23:36:04 < mitrax> why not?
2018-05-15T23:36:12 < Steffanx> im in stvn
2018-05-15T23:36:24 < jadew> is it any good?
2018-05-15T23:36:24 < Steffanx> where can i donate?
2018-05-15T23:36:28 < stvn> Cool :D
2018-05-15T23:36:39 < stvn> The stroopwafel
2018-05-15T23:36:46 < jadew> seriously, we should do that
2018-05-15T23:36:47 < mitrax> Steffanx: i didn't read that the correct way
2018-05-15T23:36:52 < stvn> Where that is idk
2018-05-15T23:37:12 < jadew> maybe we can get like 1000 t-shirts and distribute them to homeless shelters around europe
2018-05-15T23:37:24 < stvn> I need a slogan as well
2018-05-15T23:37:42 < stvn> Featuring dr blaxter’s daily memes
2018-05-15T23:37:42 < jadew> and whoever spots a homeless guy with one first, wins
2018-05-15T23:37:51 < stvn> True
2018-05-15T23:38:04 < stvn> Do you know how I came up with this idea
2018-05-15T23:38:17 < jadew> do tell
2018-05-15T23:38:42 < stvn> I was thinking of black people wearing GNAA shirts not knowing what it is
2018-05-15T23:38:56 < jadew> what is it?
2018-05-15T23:39:05 < stvn> Something racist
2018-05-15T23:39:13 < stvn> And homophobic I guess
2018-05-15T23:40:21 < Rickta59> you could partner with NAMBL if that is your aim
2018-05-15T23:40:39 < jadew> what is that?
2018-05-15T23:40:51 < stvn> Wtf is that real?!
2018-05-15T23:40:57 < mitrax> yup
2018-05-15T23:41:20 < stvn> Better be a gas chamber
2018-05-15T23:43:09 < Rickta59> i learned of them when one of their members killed a killed in boston in the 90's ... they sued to clear their name .. like that is possible
2018-05-15T23:43:17 < Rickta59> killed a kid
2018-05-15T23:43:45 < jadew> who are you talking about?
2018-05-15T23:43:59 < Rickta59> the killer or the association?
2018-05-15T23:44:00 < karlp> nambl
2018-05-15T23:44:54 < jadew> Rickta59, I don't know... what do those acronyms stand for?
2018-05-15T23:45:08 < Rickta59> i got it wrong it is nambla
2018-05-15T23:45:15 < Rickta59> i'm sure google will find it
2018-05-15T23:45:22 < jadew> I don't want to goolge it
2018-05-15T23:45:28 < karlp> probably for the best.
2018-05-15T23:45:36 < karlp> jadew: just got to fivr.com or whatever and get your colour schemes
2018-05-15T23:45:36 < Rickta59> another one of those acromyns that when you learn what it is you are horrified
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2018-05-15T23:45:59 < zyp> protobuf is pretty fucking great
2018-05-15T23:46:28 < karlp> or just coolors.co
2018-05-15T23:46:49 < jadew> zyp, never really looked into it, is it just a packing library?
2018-05-15T23:47:08 < jadew> karlp, yeah, I tried a few color schemers, but that doesn't help, I think the design has to support it and I'm bad at that too
2018-05-15T23:49:31 < zyp> jadew, it's a format
2018-05-15T23:50:53 < zyp> you write a message spec and then generate code for your target language from it
2018-05-15T23:51:47 < jadew> yeah, just read the description
2018-05-15T23:51:50 < zyp> I'm using it for a command/response protocol
2018-05-15T23:51:54 < jadew> it's cool that it has multiple implementations
2018-05-15T23:52:36 < jadew> I have a library very similar to boost::archive
2018-05-15T23:52:48 < zyp> when adding a new command, I just add a message to the spec with the required arguments, and then I get both python code for sending the commands and C code for handling them
2018-05-15T23:52:54 < jadew> you get the same result, without the descriptor file, but it's only C++
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2018-05-15T23:53:12 < jadew> yeah, sounds interesting
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2018-05-15T23:54:19 < mitrax> jadew: what are you designing? that web store to sell your things?
2018-05-15T23:54:30 < jadew> mitrax, yeah
2018-05-15T23:55:11 < zyp> I just added these two commands: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/L3HLX
2018-05-15T23:55:17 < zyp> calling code: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/Od93Q
2018-05-15T23:55:24 < zyp> handling code: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/B7eQ1
2018-05-15T23:55:46 < jadew> what are those assignments for?
2018-05-15T23:55:49 < jadew> what do they mean?
2018-05-15T23:55:57 < zyp> tag numbers
2018-05-15T23:56:51 < zyp> the binary messages don't contain field names, just those numbers
2018-05-15T23:57:04 < stvn> ty
2018-05-15T23:57:36 < zyp> parsers will ignore unknown tags, so you can add more fields to a message later without breaking backwards compatibility
2018-05-15T23:57:50 < stvn> It was cold
2018-05-15T23:58:32 < jadew> zyp, neat
2018-05-15T23:58:44 < jadew> that's a good idea with the tagging
2018-05-15T23:58:56 < stvn> Now the heater works ;)
2018-05-15T23:59:00 < jadew> with my serialization classes, I only get forward compatibility
2018-05-15T23:59:19 < zyp> the generated APIs are a little tedious to type out, but this by far beats writing message parsing code by hand every time I add a message
2018-05-15T23:59:58 < zyp> and cross language compatibility is nice
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2018-05-16T00:00:17 < zyp> language-specific serialization libs are not very interesting
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2018-05-16T00:02:42 < dunnousernamefn> whoever said that low power was hard... heh... anyways, how can I make the ADC consume a LOT less power, only operating at like 128Hz
2018-05-16T00:02:47 < dunnousernamefn> Or use interrupts
2018-05-16T00:03:00 < dunnousernamefn> most likely use interrupts
2018-05-16T00:03:02 < zyp> what are you trying to do?
2018-05-16T00:03:18 < dunnousernamefn> read 5-50 millivolts
2018-05-16T00:03:43 < zyp> how often?
2018-05-16T00:03:56 < dunnousernamefn> 128 times a second, or use interrupts like a schmitt triger
2018-05-16T00:04:08 < zyp> interrupts how?
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2018-05-16T00:04:34 < stvn> idkwtf he’s sayin
2018-05-16T00:04:47 < dunnousernamefn> it's okay, nobody does
2018-05-16T00:04:51 < dunnousernamefn> let me gather myself
2018-05-16T00:05:10 < stvn> Sure would you enjoy a coffee
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2018-05-16T00:05:27 < stvn> I am designing stm32 official coffee
2018-05-16T00:05:28 < dunnousernamefn> (side tangent) nuuu superblock error y linux
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2018-05-16T00:08:04 < dunnousernamefn> yay my filesystem is unfsck'd because I fsck'd it
2018-05-16T00:08:15 < dunnousernamefn> now to find stm32cube
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2018-05-16T00:10:33 < dunnousernamefn> it's called analog watchdog, I'm wondering if I can use that at a lower frequency or something so that I can use less POWA
2018-05-16T00:10:57 < zyp> you'll probably want to use a timer to trigger conversion less often
2018-05-16T00:11:06 < zyp> instead of running continous conversion
2018-05-16T00:11:24 < dunnousernamefn> I don't get how these timers work, I probably should
2018-05-16T00:11:34 < dunnousernamefn> Can I just make them run a constant frequency internally?
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2018-05-16T00:27:02 < karlp> yep
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2018-05-16T00:51:45 < dunnousernamefn> stupid question here, but if I have two identical IC's (in that they have the exact same part number, package, revision, etc.), can I use both of them over one I2C bus?
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2018-05-16T01:02:56 < zyp> wat?
2018-05-16T01:03:13 < zyp> ICs being stm32?
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2018-05-16T01:15:57 < dunnousernamefn> nah, an ADC
2018-05-16T01:16:07 < dunnousernamefn> I might just use another IC though that has 4 channels
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2018-05-16T01:20:16 < zyp> i2c slave devices commonly have pins that you can tie high or low to select between different addresses
2018-05-16T01:21:41 < stvn> Ya I just did that myself
2018-05-16T01:22:49 < stvn> Using 2 identical devices with address select pins tied appropriately
2018-05-16T01:23:14 < dunnousernamefn> I didn't notice one, but the new device has one, so I assume the old one did too
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2018-05-16T01:23:34 < dunnousernamefn> It was a really small (10-pin or less) package though
2018-05-16T01:23:46 < stvn> Does the old device have a data sheet :/
2018-05-16T01:28:48 < dunnousernamefn> yes but I'm too lazy
2018-05-16T01:28:50 < dunnousernamefn> hold on
2018-05-16T01:29:10 < dunnousernamefn> I have like a billion firefox tabs and it takes a little while to find the right one :P
2018-05-16T01:29:33 < dunnousernamefn> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/ads7142.pdf
2018-05-16T01:30:24 < dunnousernamefn> do you guys think a 0.1uF ceramic is enough to provide a 300 microsecond burst of +50 microamps?
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2018-05-16T02:27:05 < karlp> you can calculate this you know.
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2018-05-16T03:53:49 < bitmask> any idea why my code freezes when I start dma but the dma does run but the timer keeps going with the last OC value forever
2018-05-16T04:03:39 < Thorn> is it normal to have 7.8Ω between the antenna pin and gnd in a radio module (cc1101, output supposed to be matched to 50Ω)?
2018-05-16T04:07:09 < englishman> dc != rf
2018-05-16T04:09:24 < Thorn> same in a sx1276 module, 7.3Ω
2018-05-16T04:11:29 < Thorn> obv not matched @ dc lol
2018-05-16T04:14:08 < Thorn> bitmask: if you want to stop the timer when dma is complete you need to stop the timer in the dma complete interrupt
2018-05-16T04:15:40 < bitmask> its not that, I must have something set incorrectly because the interrupt never triggers
2018-05-16T04:17:07 < Thorn> does NDTR decrease?
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2018-05-16T04:33:11 < dongs> upgrdman: nah. not in office so hardly on irc
2018-05-16T04:33:21 < upgrdman> k
2018-05-16T04:34:04 < dongs> re: your question, no idea, are you takling about rotating the entire handlebar?
2018-05-16T04:34:10 < dongs> i dont think i ever fucked with that part
2018-05-16T04:34:42 < aandrew> word
2018-05-16T04:36:48 < upgrdman> lol china  https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/8jlbq8/wtf_is_this_class/
2018-05-16T04:37:27 < upgrdman> slightly related to that: if you're ever in china and want bottled water, but ~anything EXCEPT nong fu springs. some of the worst tasting bottled water i have ever had.
2018-05-16T04:37:41 < upgrdman> dongs, no, just rotating the grips on the bar.
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2018-05-16T04:59:26 < dongs> newp, no idea.
2018-05-16T05:02:14 < dongs> https://xkcd.com/1969/ lol
2018-05-16T05:04:19 < aandrew> heh that is good
2018-05-16T05:05:04 < jadew> upgrdman, so did they find out what class that was?
2018-05-16T05:06:56 < upgrdman> dunno
2018-05-16T05:08:40 < jadew> there are a few in the back that aren't doing it, they probably already know this stuff
2018-05-16T05:10:38 < jadew> the teacher is very artistic about it
2018-05-16T05:10:51 < jadew> not sure I'd like that
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2018-05-16T05:20:11 < Thorn> oh shi~
2018-05-16T05:21:26 < Thorn> I had 3 stm32f407v lying around for 5 years. the pins are oxidated
2018-05-16T05:21:33 < dongs> ya :(
2018-05-16T05:21:36 < Thorn> some are bluish, some are dark grey
2018-05-16T05:22:08 < Thorn> there are f103 and lpc1766 in the same tray and they are ok
2018-05-16T05:22:14 < Thorn> all of them are more or less same age
2018-05-16T05:22:34 < Thorn> I hope they will still solder ok
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2018-05-16T05:50:35 < dongs> is tehre a quicker way to shift a ~300 byte array other than memmove
2018-05-16T05:56:36 < upgrdman> for 300 bytes not sure if dma setup would be slower than memcpy()
2018-05-16T05:56:49 < upgrdman> s/slower/faster
2018-05-16T05:57:37 < Thorn> can dma ever be faster than memcpy?
2018-05-16T06:01:50 < branjb> in large burts of data probably
2018-05-16T06:06:00 < dongs> its memmove, not memcpy but yeah
2018-05-16T06:06:22 < dongs> no i mean in general maybe theres a better pattern to add shit to end of buffer/array without doing counters % arraysize or wahteer
2018-05-16T06:08:33 < branjb> use a psoc and make a fifo in one of the memeblocks?
2018-05-16T06:10:50 < dongs> niggerplz.
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2018-05-16T07:13:36 < bitmask> you guys hear the yanny/laurel thing?
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2018-05-16T07:25:27 < dongs> the fuck what
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2018-05-16T07:45:50 < R0b0t1> dongs: Can you not move the pieces incrementally
2018-05-16T07:50:22 < dongs> bitmask: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFIt14RXiQM
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2018-05-16T07:58:52 < jpa-> dongs: well power-of-2 sized ring buffer is faster than always moving the 300 bytes; but then you don't get the 300 bytes consecutively in RAM, and they may not even be aligned
2018-05-16T08:02:18 < dongs> yeah they dont wanna kee index into current buffer which would be the solution
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2018-05-16T08:05:12 < jpa-> then keep a pointer to it :P
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2018-05-16T09:03:39 < dongs> i feel like a fucking wizard
2018-05-16T09:03:43 < dongs> i used git cherry pick and it worked
2018-05-16T09:04:03 < dongs> i bet i used it for wrong reasons tho
2018-05-16T09:04:08 < dongs> so it'll bite me back in the ass later
2018-05-16T09:04:17 < dongs> when i try to merge 2 branches
2018-05-16T09:06:32 < englishman> welcome to berry farming
2018-05-16T09:07:11 < Haohmaru> git cherry pick? is that some program?
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2018-05-16T09:18:34 < jpa-> dongs: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20180323-01/?p=98325    now you'll have to read 10 blog posts series about when you shouldn't use cherry-pick ;)
2018-05-16T09:18:42 < jpa-> git is easy and everything is well documented
2018-05-16T09:19:17  * Haohmaru spits out his coffee
2018-05-16T09:19:20 < Haohmaru> easy?
2018-05-16T09:19:56 < dongs> jpa-: lmao
2018-05-16T09:20:06 < dongs> fuck, i knew it
2018-05-16T09:20:21 < dongs> when something is easy with git, youre doing it wrong
2018-05-16T09:20:42 < dongs> fucking raymond chen
2018-05-16T09:21:30 < Haohmaru> you know who makes the wrong things easy? teh big red guy
2018-05-16T09:21:42 < dongs> the lunix desktop
2018-05-16T09:21:49 < Haohmaru> >:/
2018-05-16T09:22:20 < jpa-> on lunix desktop, you are happy if you get anything done, no matter if it is the wrong thing
2018-05-16T09:22:59 < dongs> ahaha.
2018-05-16T09:23:20 < Haohmaru> dafuq are you talking about
2018-05-16T09:23:30 < dongs> truths
2018-05-16T09:24:00 < Haohmaru> maybe you picked the wrong "lunix desktop"
2018-05-16T09:24:28 < dongs> the fact that there's more than one is the primary problem
2018-05-16T09:24:36 < jpa-> what else could you expect, i'm happy that i got one of them working even though it is the wrong lunix desktop
2018-05-16T09:25:00 < dongs> im fucking snorting my tea out please stop jpa
2018-05-16T09:25:04 < dongs> its so true it hurts
2018-05-16T09:25:16 < Haohmaru> dongs yes, it's kinda unclear which one to pick
2018-05-16T09:25:28 < dongs> Haohmaru: its very clear, you pick windows 10 1803
2018-05-16T09:25:32 < dongs> the correct choice
2018-05-16T09:25:38 < Haohmaru> yeah
2018-05-16T09:25:44 < Haohmaru> smile for cortana.exe
2018-05-16T09:25:56 < Haohmaru> looking at u thru yer camera
2018-05-16T09:26:17 < Haohmaru> listening to your heartbeats thru yer microphonez
2018-05-16T09:26:41 < jpa-> you don't have that problem on lunix desktop because there are no drivers for the webcam and the microphone just doesn't work
2018-05-16T09:27:09 < Haohmaru> nah, you *do* have some of these problems if you pick the wrong lunix
2018-05-16T09:27:10 < dongs> it might work if you wade through 1000 lines of alsa configuration script
2018-05-16T09:27:15 < Haohmaru> example: ubuntu
2018-05-16T09:27:31 < dongs> dont be racist
2018-05-16T09:27:34 < dongs> lunix for niggers is great
2018-05-16T09:27:38 < jpa-> it's not enough to wade through alsa config nowadays, you also have pulseaudio and dbus on top of it
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2018-05-16T09:28:49 < jpa-> ubuntu is built like houses in africa: cow shit with layers of straw in between
2018-05-16T09:29:05 < Haohmaru> >:)
2018-05-16T09:29:21 < Haohmaru> imma steal this
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2018-05-16T10:06:33 < dongs> the jews
2018-05-16T10:06:36 < dongs> they're all in it
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2018-05-16T10:07:37 < dongs> why not run an empty cycle with a thermocouple inside and see?
2018-05-16T10:07:57 < dongs> i've reflowed allpcb shit as recently as like few days ago
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2018-05-16T10:07:59 < dongs> and it was fine
2018-05-16T10:08:51 < dongs> my oven has a chain conveyor thingy so the pcbs just sit on that
2018-05-16T10:09:09 < dongs> but yeah, back when I used T960 or wahtever trash
2018-05-16T10:09:19 < dongs> i would lift them off a bit because the tray soaks up some of hte heat
2018-05-16T10:09:53 < dongs> sounds like  your profile is garbage
2018-05-16T10:10:12 < zyp> burns? how the fuck do you burn a pcb?
2018-05-16T10:10:28 < zyp> is this some shitty phenolic shit?
2018-05-16T10:10:42 < dongs> i've burned a PCB in T962 once
2018-05-16T10:10:47 < dongs> but that was when entire fucking oven burned too
2018-05-16T10:10:56 < Haohmaru> O_o
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2018-05-16T10:20:03 < stvn> LOL
2018-05-16T10:20:55 < stvn> T962 stories on stm32
2018-05-16T10:21:08 < dongs> the lunix desktop of reflow ovens
2018-05-16T10:21:28 < stvn> Yeah I’ve only read about it
2018-05-16T10:22:43 < stvn> A German brand id guess
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2018-05-16T10:25:24 < dongs> eevblogger dave also likes cock
2018-05-16T10:28:25 < zyp> which was more fun, T962 fire or lithium fire?
2018-05-16T10:29:19 < R0b0t1> Magnesium fire?
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2018-05-16T10:29:25 < R0b0t1> Fire is kind of scary, sir
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2018-05-16T10:30:45 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/h6hdUBKQ/lol.JPG
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2018-05-16T10:35:42 < dongs> zyp, def the lipo fire
2018-05-16T10:35:43 < stvn> I thought it was a kitchen ;)
2018-05-16T10:35:55 < dongs> T962 just made the office stink for a few hours
2018-05-16T10:36:52 < stvn> I wonder what a T962 smells like
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2018-05-16T11:22:40 < dongs> stvn: probably better than tectu
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2018-05-16T11:26:26 < Steffanx> tct smells amazing. I have real life experience
2018-05-16T11:26:29 < stvn> Look what ya did
2018-05-16T11:27:47 < Haohmaru> murder
2018-05-16T11:27:59 < Haohmaru> thug life for real
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2018-05-16T11:30:49 < mitrax> *meep*
2018-05-16T11:31:16 < mitrax> what happened to LaurenceB? it's been like 4 days
2018-05-16T11:31:22 < Haohmaru> he banned
2018-05-16T11:31:43 < Haohmaru> like fred flinstone
2018-05-16T11:31:50 < Haohmaru> willmaaaaa
2018-05-16T11:32:01 < mitrax> :O
2018-05-16T11:32:56 < Steffanx> Is he banned?
2018-05-16T11:33:08 < Steffanx>  Must have been that englishman's doing
2018-05-16T11:33:13 < Haohmaru> am i transparent?
2018-05-16T11:33:28 < Haohmaru> i think it was upgrdguy
2018-05-16T11:33:29 < Steffanx> How antto, Haohmaru?
2018-05-16T11:33:45 < Steffanx> Upgrdguy doesnt have the power to do that
2018-05-16T11:34:21 < Haohmaru> then some similarly-named-guy
2018-05-16T11:34:28 < Haohmaru> englishguy maybe
2018-05-16T11:35:52 < Haohmaru> Steffanx what if he drank a glass of spinach smoothie?
2018-05-16T11:39:14 < Haohmaru> bio GMO-free spinach
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2018-05-16T11:51:00 < day> +b
2018-05-16T11:52:18 < stvn> lol wut
2018-05-16T11:52:34 < stvn> Did blaxter get band
2018-05-16T12:00:35 < Steffanx> What if he did not Haohmaru ?
2018-05-16T12:01:22 < Haohmaru> then i have no other logical explanation
2018-05-16T12:01:27 < Haohmaru> therefore - ALIENS!
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2018-05-16T12:11:13 < dongs>  < mitrax> what happened to LaurenceB? it's been like 4 days
2018-05-16T12:11:17 < dongs> he got put in jail
2018-05-16T12:11:26 < dongs> thats usually waht causes IRC silnce
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2018-05-16T12:19:57 < zyp> speaking from experience?
2018-05-16T12:48:57 < qyx> wtf 0603 caps are like 3x the usual price now
2018-05-16T12:49:35 < dongs> welcome to a while ago
2018-05-16T12:51:51 < stvn> 0805 for life
2018-05-16T12:52:31 < stvn> Everything fits in a 19” rack case
2018-05-16T12:59:29 < stvn> 🇯🇵
2018-05-16T13:03:53 < zyp> one of my .no pals complained about cap availability the other day
2018-05-16T13:04:24 < zyp> he was like "well, price doesn't really matter all that much, even in the qtys we use, but the 100 week lead times are ridiculous"
2018-05-16T13:13:55 < stvn> That’s rather annoying
2018-05-16T13:14:24 < stvn> Capacitors are the new bitcoin
2018-05-16T13:16:30 < zyp> haha
2018-05-16T13:16:52 < zyp> I actually told him to blame bitcoin
2018-05-16T13:27:08 < dongs> hmmm odd
2018-05-16T13:28:01 < dongs> i have a union { uint8[4][100]; uint8[512]; } (numbers changed but wahtever) yet the struct in memory takes u like 16k
2018-05-16T13:28:07 < dongs> with my numbers i expect it to be around 4k
2018-05-16T13:28:30 < dongs> why is it allocating the sum of shits (or even more actually) instead of ~4k
2018-05-16T13:29:05 < zyp> probably because of some details you're leaving out
2018-05-16T13:29:11 < jpa-> i'd expect it to be around 512 bytes?
2018-05-16T13:29:12 < dongs> no thats all tehre is
2018-05-16T13:29:18 < jpa-> well that is not even valid C
2018-05-16T13:29:57 < jpa-> you're showing us what you think you've written, but obviously what you have written is not actually that
2018-05-16T13:30:03 < dongs> union payoad { uint8_t packet[4][100]; uint8_t page[4096]; } payload;
2018-05-16T13:30:48 < zyp> and sizeof(payload) is not 4096?
2018-05-16T13:30:55 < dongs> correct, its like 16k in .map file
2018-05-16T13:31:06 < dongs> oh fuck
2018-05-16T13:31:15 < dongs> ok never mind i suck cocks
2018-05-16T13:31:27 < zyp> so what detail did you leave out? :p
2018-05-16T13:31:28 < dongs> fixed.
2018-05-16T13:31:34 < dongs> the part where page[] was uint32
2018-05-16T13:31:39 < qyx> lol
2018-05-16T13:32:11 < dongs> when i looked at 16k thing again it hit me
2018-05-16T13:35:57 < Steffanx> :D
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2018-05-16T15:24:56 < qyx> I just opened a china made 433MHz rubber antenna
2018-05-16T15:25:27 < qyx> there is a ~2cm long coil inside but the whole thing is like ~12cm long
2018-05-16T15:26:29 < mitrax> ahah
2018-05-16T15:26:35 < zyp> not uncommon
2018-05-16T15:26:57 < zyp> everybody does the same thing on consumer wifi routers
2018-05-16T15:27:22 < zyp> because bigger antennas looks better, so customers buy the ones with the largest antennas
2018-05-16T15:28:25 < Ultrasauce> its probably convenient to have only one size of housing also
2018-05-16T15:29:37 < zyp> i mean, you get wifi shit where the actual antenna is a trace on the pcb, and then there's a plastic thing sticking out of the enclosure for show
2018-05-16T15:30:02 < zyp> http://i.imgur.com/eIuHT8a.jpg
2018-05-16T15:30:29 < stvn> nice
2018-05-16T15:30:42 < stvn> i want 1
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2018-05-16T15:37:26 < karlp> that microsoft blog is hating on people using hcerrypick for really weird reasons in the first place.
2018-05-16T15:37:37 < karlp> if you were cherry picking when you wanted to merge, then yes, of course you should have merged.
2018-05-16T15:39:27 < jpa-> nah, it does have a point in that cherry-picking can cause surprising things when you later merge
2018-05-16T15:39:55 < jpa-> but of course that does need that a specific part of code is changing in both branches
2018-05-16T15:39:58 < karlp> yes, but again, if you're cherrypicking to a branch that you want to merge, I think you should havebeen merging, not attempting to cherrypick.
2018-05-16T15:40:33 < jpa-> ok, well that was the whole point of it i think :)
2018-05-16T15:40:49 < karlp> yes, but it starts from the premise that cherrypick is normal and default, and I think that's just stupid.
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2018-05-16T15:41:21 < jpa-> haha, well i used to cherrypick everything until i read that :P
2018-05-16T15:42:04 < karlp> what gave you taht idea? it's even called "merge" ?
2018-05-16T15:42:40 < karlp> what did you do, git log all the commits and shell script feed that to git cherry-pick?
2018-05-16T15:43:20 < jpa-> heh, no, but if i just added a bugfix to master and i needed that on a feature branch, i just cherry-picked the single commit instead of merging from master
2018-05-16T15:43:45 < jpa-> even though that could cause problems later when i merge the feature branch back to master
2018-05-16T15:48:15 < karlp> yeah, if it's a feature branch you were planning on merging back to master, I either rebase or merge.
2018-05-16T15:48:21 < qyx> isnt rebasing the feature branch easier?
2018-05-16T15:48:32 < karlp> I only cherry pick from master/fixes into stable release branches that are off on their own.
2018-05-16T15:56:52 < zyp> I mainly cherry pick when I have a change in one variant branch that I want in another variant branch
2018-05-16T16:02:49 < jpa-> karlp: yeah, that's the same i do nowadays
2018-05-16T16:03:05 < jpa-> it just wasn't obvious that there is a significant difference
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2018-05-16T16:05:30 < karlp> looks like cherry-pick actually lets yu provide whole branches and things too, which would easily land you in hot water, as presumably that msft dude did.
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2018-05-16T17:29:34 < tct> I use cherry-picking on a regular basis. But yeah, git gives you plenty of opportunities to kill a repo
2018-05-16T17:29:44 < tct> :s/kill/fuck up
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2018-05-16T17:35:44 < englishman> it would not be lunix otherwise
2018-05-16T17:36:04 < englishman> Steffanx yes laurent was banned for posting cartoon porn during an innovation conversation
2018-05-16T17:43:33 < Haohmaru> aww
2018-05-16T17:43:44 < Haohmaru> innovation ruined
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2018-05-16T18:03:46 < bitmask> hmm how do you use class variables (C++)  in an interrupt handler 
2018-05-16T18:04:23 < bitmask> do I need to extern "C" it or something? 
2018-05-16T18:06:10 < Haohmaru> do you mean temporary objects in the ISR? cuz IMO that would be a potentially bad idea but who am i to judge it
2018-05-16T18:06:15 < Haohmaru> what's the problem?
2018-05-16T18:07:09 < bitmask> no, I want a variable to use as a flag so my class knows if the dma has finished yet but I think a better way to do it would be to check the dma status flags themselves when I need to know?
2018-05-16T18:08:03 < bitmask> I'm just try to make it so that if the dma is already running to not start it up again if it gets called too quickly for some reason
2018-05-16T18:08:29 < bitmask> I'll just check the busy status or whatever it is
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2018-05-16T18:19:24 < englishman> does anyone know of any 'hackable" 1080p action cams, that is with configurable buttons or startup modes, maybe chink ones that have a text config file or something
2018-05-16T18:20:12 < englishman> looking to have some specific, fixed config settings for a camera going in a product
2018-05-16T18:21:08 < zyp> maybe laurenceb, he's been dicking around with hacking gopros and shit
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2018-05-16T18:26:34 < Laurenceb> sup trolls
2018-05-16T18:28:05 < mitrax> englishman misses your cartoon porn
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2018-05-16T18:28:31 < Laurenceb> it got b& in uk
2018-05-16T18:28:44 < Laurenceb> soon all pronz will be b&
2018-05-16T18:30:33 < zyp> so where are you moving?
2018-05-16T18:30:46 < Laurenceb> sealand
2018-05-16T18:31:25 < mitrax> is the guy still alive?
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2018-05-16T18:31:43 < Laurenceb> nobody knows
2018-05-16T18:32:02 < Laurenceb> only a matter of time until their concrete walls fail
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2018-05-16T18:40:50 < emeryth> englishman: http://www.tawbaware.com/xiaomiyi.htm
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2018-05-16T18:49:11 < Laurenceb> v interdasting
2018-05-16T18:52:16 < Laurenceb> 848*480/240FPS
2018-05-16T18:52:18 < Laurenceb> woah
2018-05-16T18:52:57 < Laurenceb> wonder if it has gpio
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2018-05-16T18:56:01 < Laurenceb> lul its a literal gpro clone
2018-05-16T18:56:11 < Laurenceb> lunix on ambarella
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2018-05-16T18:56:21 < Laurenceb> wonder if it actually boots reliably
2018-05-16T18:56:52 < kakimir> hello sexuals
2018-05-16T18:57:11 < Laurenceb> looks like it has poweroff and reboot support in scripting
2018-05-16T18:57:21 < Laurenceb> gopro has wake on interrupt...
2018-05-16T18:58:15 < kakimir> you can script those shittes?
2018-05-16T18:58:19 < kakimir> sweet
2018-05-16T18:58:35 < kakimir> scripts or remote control?
2018-05-16T18:58:42 < Laurenceb> scripts
2018-05-16T18:58:44 < kakimir> where are scripts located?
2018-05-16T18:58:46 < kakimir> sd card?
2018-05-16T18:58:48 < Laurenceb> yes
2018-05-16T18:59:12 < Laurenceb> its running lunix so in theory you could actually run your own code...
2018-05-16T18:59:21 < kakimir> rootkit.sh
2018-05-16T18:59:26 < Laurenceb> gopro has been rooted
2018-05-16T18:59:40 < kakimir> good
2018-05-16T18:59:46 < bitmask> why would my ws2812 timer still be outputting when I disable the dma stream in the interrupt (which does fire)
2018-05-16T19:00:54 < bitmask> I could just write a low pulse as the last bit and it will then just stay low I guess, is that normal behavior?
2018-05-16T19:00:57 < zyp> because the timer is still running, you've just stopped feeding new values to the output compare register
2018-05-16T19:01:20 < zyp> and yes, my WS2812B code always put a 0 at the end of the DMA buffer for that exact reason
2018-05-16T19:01:30 < Ultrasauce> the dma doesnt care about the peripheral, it's just writing to an address
2018-05-16T19:02:15 < Laurenceb> hmf no connectors with gpio on Yi
2018-05-16T19:02:23 < Laurenceb> would need pcb haxoring
2018-05-16T19:02:46 < Laurenceb> https://www.bylinefestival.com/
2018-05-16T19:04:02 < Laurenceb> >  POST TRUMP DETRAUMATISATION > HOW TO STOP FUNDING HATE > Pussy Riot
2018-05-16T19:04:05 < Laurenceb> my sides
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2018-05-16T19:05:40 < Laurenceb> >    Brilliant. Piers Morgan won’t be there. — Julie Bindel
2018-05-16T19:06:06 < bitmask> I see
2018-05-16T19:06:21 < Laurenceb> Poe's law: level 9001
2018-05-16T19:07:17 < Laurenceb> > since 1991 she has helped women who have been prosecuted for killing their male partners.
2018-05-16T19:08:30 < Ultrasauce> blax are you actually retarded or do you just like toeing the line constantly
2018-05-16T19:08:39 < Laurenceb> festival tier : UK
2018-05-16T19:08:51 < Laurenceb> toeing the line??
2018-05-16T19:09:08 < Ultrasauce> posting stupid shit nobody wants to see
2018-05-16T19:09:17 < Laurenceb> uk media loves pussy riot
2018-05-16T19:09:34 < Laurenceb> which is funny cuz they love ukranian nazis
2018-05-16T19:11:07 < Laurenceb> crypto-neo-nazis and radfems, this festival has everything
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2018-05-16T19:12:08 < Laurenceb> product idea: haxor gopro clone thats well documented and actually works properly, ambarella based
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2018-05-16T19:13:13 < bitmask> ok so my signal is nice and clean, just not sure how I should have the line when idle, the 50us low to 'latch' just means I should always keep it low when not sending? or should I hold it low for 50 and then high when idle
2018-05-16T19:19:53 < aandrew> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/being-trolled-by-stmicroelectronics
2018-05-16T19:19:54 < aandrew> heh
2018-05-16T19:21:03 < kakimir> 404 Not Found
2018-05-16T19:21:14 < aandrew> srs?
2018-05-16T19:21:16 < Laurenceb> 404 brain not found
2018-05-16T19:21:17 < kakimir> - nginx
2018-05-16T19:21:18 < Laurenceb> more like
2018-05-16T19:21:26 < Laurenceb> >eevblog
2018-05-16T19:21:39 < aandrew> wtf, you must have teh topicseen shit?
2018-05-16T19:21:40 < aandrew> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/being-trolled-by-stmicroelectronics/?topicseen
2018-05-16T19:21:49 < Ultrasauce> it's the /
2018-05-16T19:21:54 < Laurenceb> wtf
2018-05-16T19:21:57 < aandrew> wtf idiotic forum shit is that
2018-05-16T19:22:01 < Laurenceb> truly brain not found
2018-05-16T19:22:09 < Laurenceb> >what is booting into low power mode
2018-05-16T19:22:19 < karlp> it's just a single bit.
2018-05-16T19:22:20 < Laurenceb> >what is power cycling and default low power
2018-05-16T19:22:26 < karlp> and yeah, sounds like "good" 
2018-05-16T19:22:58 < karlp> it's not like some of the microchip radios or those ax shits english and co were playing with, which were like, "Here's a whole pile of magic numbers you have to write over spi before anything useful will happen"
2018-05-16T19:23:06 < Laurenceb> >ur gofail reboots due to lunix locking up YET AGAIN
2018-05-16T19:23:16 < Laurenceb> >wtf what happened to my battery life now??
2018-05-16T19:23:41 < karlp> heh, I like xaxaxa's comments, "never use stm32 for anyting important, things might surprise me"
2018-05-16T19:23:58 < kakimir> on the point
2018-05-16T19:24:33 < englishman> emeryth: nice, thanks, i have a couple Yis
2018-05-16T19:25:06 < Laurenceb> ok this is kind of funny https://www.bylinefestival.com/trumpton18
2018-05-16T19:26:26 < Laurenceb> literal nazis and female incels: not so funny
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2018-05-16T19:29:33 < aandrew> yeah but he's a pic apologist i think
2018-05-16T19:29:37 < aandrew> so his opinion is automatically discounted
2018-05-16T19:30:31 < Laurenceb> kek
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2018-05-16T19:31:38 < englishman> ahaha
2018-05-16T19:31:44 < englishman> i didnt read the datasheet. omg trolled!
2018-05-16T19:49:56 < Steffanx> Nothing beats your magic value story englishman 
2018-05-16T19:50:18 < englishman> well, not only is that company now dead, their legacy is dead too
2018-05-16T19:51:01 < englishman> a little like keyser sose's revenge, of killing his enemies and their children and any offspring they might have, ending their bloodline forever
2018-05-16T19:51:04 < Steffanx> Yeah.
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2018-05-16T19:55:34 < Laurenceb> >patrollin oline > cyber-enabled crime https://imgoat.com/uploads/3278a4a869/112618.png
2018-05-16T19:55:37 < Laurenceb> my sides
2018-05-16T19:56:12 < Laurenceb> I'm in jailz 4 sure now
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2018-05-16T20:17:59 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/SDJe7NZ.png
2018-05-16T20:18:18 < bitmask> gotta use some aluminum foil or something to keep the light from bleeding through the plastic but looks awesome
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2018-05-16T20:20:00 < Laurenceb> LARP castle?
2018-05-16T20:20:18 < Laurenceb> 3d printed cuckshed?
2018-05-16T20:20:36 < Laurenceb> wtf even is it?
2018-05-16T20:21:04 < bitmask> my pen plotter's main case
2018-05-16T20:21:10 < bitmask> where have you been?
2018-05-16T20:21:28 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/ifAvSnR
2018-05-16T20:22:54 < Laurenceb> I've been b& and having a fap frenzy
2018-05-16T20:23:00 < Laurenceb> a boning a landwhale
2018-05-16T20:23:14 < Laurenceb> nice metallic paint
2018-05-16T20:23:20 < Laurenceb> weird style tho
2018-05-16T20:23:34 < Laurenceb> irl kekking https://i.imgur.com/3u891fk.png
2018-05-16T20:23:36 < Laurenceb> my sides
2018-05-16T20:23:39 < bitmask> thats a rendering you loon
2018-05-16T20:23:51 < Laurenceb> doh
2018-05-16T20:23:56 < bitmask> oh is that what you mean? its just silver pla
2018-05-16T20:24:02 < bitmask> the top pics are renderings
2018-05-16T20:28:45 < Laurenceb> for your next project you should make a 3d printing Al-Ḥarām mosque
2018-05-16T20:37:14 < antto> o_O
2018-05-16T20:38:15 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivT-I-yxtdY
2018-05-16T20:39:01  * antto ain't clicking that
2018-05-16T20:41:41 < jadew> Laurenceb, what were they saying tho?
2018-05-16T20:42:00 < Laurenceb> I just assumed it was part of the performance lol
2018-05-16T20:42:17 < jadew> so why keep "performing" as you're getting beaten?
2018-05-16T20:42:27 < Laurenceb> yeah
2018-05-16T20:42:38 < Laurenceb> kinky
2018-05-16T20:42:41 < jadew> it looks more like a protest
2018-05-16T20:42:54 < Laurenceb> tfw u see kpop for the first tiem https://imgoat.com/uploads/3278a4a869/112626.jpg
2018-05-16T20:43:10 < jadew> tfw?
2018-05-16T20:43:19 < jadew> the face when?
2018-05-16T20:43:27 < Laurenceb> yes
2018-05-16T20:43:48 < Laurenceb> North Koreans had to watch kpop lulz
2018-05-16T20:43:57 < antto> also my face when i read a conversation here
2018-05-16T20:44:01 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-05-16T20:44:08 < antto> but a little more dramatic
2018-05-16T20:44:43 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/3278a4a869/112628.jpg
2018-05-16T20:46:59 < jadew> "Pussy Riot protests many things like the corrupt power, homophobia and sexism, in Russia."
2018-05-16T20:47:02 < jadew> so it was a protest
2018-05-16T20:47:09 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-05-16T20:47:15 < Laurenceb> sure they do
2018-05-16T20:49:01 < antto> sometimes even like this: https://imgflip.com/i/895vs
2018-05-16T20:49:47 < Laurenceb> tfw russian grrrls perfume smells like an accident at a chemical plant
2018-05-16T20:49:56 < Laurenceb> I'm gunna have to leave the basement soon
2018-05-16T20:50:44 < kakimir> now tell me again why she is living with you
2018-05-16T20:50:50 < Laurenceb> maybe I should ask her for her opinion on Pussy riot
2018-05-16T20:50:51 < antto> y r u in da beismetn?
2018-05-16T20:50:56 < Laurenceb> yes, literally
2018-05-16T20:51:10 < kakimir> your moms?
2018-05-16T20:51:16 < Laurenceb> nah, wurk
2018-05-16T20:51:38 < kakimir> you work dayjob to stay in the basement right?
2018-05-16T20:51:43 < Laurenceb> yes
2018-05-16T20:51:55 < Laurenceb> kek u could put it like that
2018-05-16T20:52:03 < jadew> you live with a russian girl?
2018-05-16T20:52:07 < Laurenceb> society pays me to stay in the basement to protect itself
2018-05-16T20:52:16 < Laurenceb> jadew: I work with her
2018-05-16T20:52:18 < kakimir> tell me more about britain
2018-05-16T20:52:24 < jadew> ask her about the pussy riot then
2018-05-16T20:52:29 < Laurenceb> kek I will
2018-05-16T20:52:34 < jadew> maybe she understands what they're saying
2018-05-16T20:52:34 < antto> a russian girl keeps you locked in a basement?
2018-05-16T20:52:54 < Laurenceb> antto: no, that would be my boss
2018-05-16T20:52:55 < srk> lol
2018-05-16T20:52:55 < jadew> antto, the other way around is more plausible
2018-05-16T20:53:05 < Laurenceb> he keeps us both locked down here
2018-05-16T20:53:12 < antto> o_O
2018-05-16T20:53:26 < Laurenceb> to write methlab scripts
2018-05-16T20:53:40 < antto> ah, meth, basement.. makes sense
2018-05-16T20:53:56 < antto> ur the cooker
2018-05-16T20:54:05 < antto> the chef
2018-05-16T20:54:48 < Thorn> https://www.wptv.com/news/medical-examiner-exploding-vape-pen-caused-florida-man-s-death
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2018-05-16T20:56:11 < antto> luckily i'm not in florida
2018-05-16T20:56:15 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/IDFSpokesperson/status/996427205944184832
2018-05-16T20:56:16 < Laurenceb> wtf
2018-05-16T20:56:24 < Laurenceb> we in Poe world now
2018-05-16T20:57:13 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/3278a4a869/112629.jpg
2018-05-16T20:57:56 < antto> maan, i can't cope with yer sh*t
2018-05-16T20:58:06 < Laurenceb> ^ IDF confirmed
2018-05-16T20:58:12 < jadew> please refresh my memory, what is hamas?
2018-05-16T20:58:19 < Laurenceb> seriously...
2018-05-16T20:58:30 < antto> some terrorist thing
2018-05-16T20:58:38 < Laurenceb> reeee
2018-05-16T20:59:00 < jadew> hmm are they the palestinian rebels?
2018-05-16T20:59:09 < Laurenceb> yeah
2018-05-16T20:59:21 < antto> who cares, they got guns and are religious
2018-05-16T20:59:32 < Streaker> Hamas is a dish made of chick peas.
2018-05-16T21:00:02 < antto> a wonderful combination
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2018-05-16T21:40:15 < Thorn> https://blog.nordicsemi.com/getconnected/how-to-hack-a-casino
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2018-05-16T22:26:35 < bitmask> at what length of wire should you use external pull ups for limit switches?
2018-05-16T22:30:13 < Cracki> are you concerned about reflection or the wire being an antenna?
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2018-05-16T22:31:41 < Steffanx> What you do now bitmask? Or do you currently use internal stuff?
2018-05-16T22:32:23 < bitmask> Not sure the technical term, just read that long wires can carry a lot of capacitance which can make a limit switch respond slowly and maybe flip back and forth while switching or something like that
2018-05-16T22:32:46 < bitmask> I was gonna use internal stuff, I have wired up the limit switches yet, they are wired but not to the mcu
2018-05-16T22:33:05 < bitmask> havent*
2018-05-16T22:33:45 < bitmask> i'll try internal pullups and see how it works
2018-05-16T22:37:30 < Thorn> oxidated stm32 https://i.imgur.com/BsevACY.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8t2nZKW.jpg
2018-05-16T22:38:06 < Thorn> what do
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2018-05-16T22:39:41 < Cracki> bitmask, how many meters are we talking about?
2018-05-16T22:39:53 < Cracki> Thorn, bathe in booze
2018-05-16T22:40:36 < Ultrasauce> debouncing is probably a good idea in any case there bitmask
2018-05-16T22:41:08 < Thorn> I'm planning to use them with RMII, 50MHz signals
2018-05-16T22:41:13 < Cracki> define the parameters of operation: sample rate, tolerable delay, ...
2018-05-16T22:41:20 < Thorn> not sure if good idea :/
2018-05-16T22:41:27 < Cracki> some isopropanol should be just fine for the pins
2018-05-16T22:41:40 < Thorn> ok trying isopropanol
2018-05-16T22:41:51 < Ultrasauce> i dont think alcohol will do a thing to oxidation
2018-05-16T22:42:00 < Ultrasauce> use a boatload of flux 
2018-05-16T22:42:07 < Cracki> that too
2018-05-16T22:42:26 < bitmask> 1 meter max
2018-05-16T22:42:38 < Thorn> yea not sure about isopropanol vs metal oxides
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2018-05-16T22:42:51 < Cracki> got any pcb cleaner?
2018-05-16T22:43:03 < Cracki> those contain something to take care of mild oxidation
2018-05-16T22:43:12 < Cracki> (might)
2018-05-16T22:43:14 < stvn> When something happens in south central Los Angeles, nothing happens
2018-05-16T22:43:24 < Thorn> only isopropanol, purified gasoline, acetone
2018-05-16T22:44:07 < Cracki> brush the contacts gently
2018-05-16T22:44:15 < Ultrasauce> yeah an abrasive is a good idea
2018-05-16T22:44:54 < Cracki> tissue might be enough
2018-05-16T22:45:14 < Ultrasauce> also jeez how does that even happen
2018-05-16T22:45:23 < Cracki> things get moist
2018-05-16T22:45:43 < Thorn> 5 years in storage. nxp micro in the same tray is fine
2018-05-16T22:45:53 < Cracki> that's why all the shit you order is shipped with desiccant, then vacuumed and sealed
2018-05-16T22:46:03 < Cracki> same tray eh?
2018-05-16T22:46:06 < Thorn> and everything else nearby that I checked is ok too
2018-05-16T22:46:16 < Thorn> literally next to it
2018-05-16T22:46:19 < Cracki> must have saved on the metal composition
2018-05-16T22:46:20 < Ultrasauce> are these perhaps recycled parts?
2018-05-16T22:46:50 < Cracki> maybe the cat sneezed on it
2018-05-16T22:47:25 < Thorn> as far as I remember didn't look soldered or anything out of the ordinary 5 years ago when I ordered them
2018-05-16T22:47:30 < Cracki> the way the corrode, I might also suspect recycled parts
2018-05-16T22:47:50 < Cracki> they look like the corrosion starts at the tips
2018-05-16T22:47:59 < Cracki> where they had contact with previous boards and solder
2018-05-16T22:48:53 < Cracki> or the legs are shit metal and shit plating
2018-05-16T22:49:14 < Thorn> st micro quality
2018-05-16T22:49:21 < Cracki> and corrosion starts where the plating was thinnest/scratched
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2018-05-16T22:59:08 < R0b0t1`> Thorn: For metal oxides you need phosphoric acid but this will etch the metal as well
2018-05-16T22:59:09 < R0b0t1`> Not a lot
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2018-05-16T23:03:36 < R0b0t1`> Thorn: Sold as naval jelly
2018-05-16T23:03:54 < R0b0t1`> Phosphoric acid with an inhibiting chemical and a gel
2018-05-16T23:04:05 < R0b0t1`> Never heard of anyone having rusted chip leads though
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2018-05-16T23:13:07 < Cracki> phosphoric acis = coca cola
2018-05-16T23:13:12 < Cracki> (or used to be)
2018-05-16T23:14:47 < R0b0t1`> Still is
2018-05-16T23:14:50 < R0b0t1`> I'd use diet
2018-05-16T23:16:10 < Thorn> pencil eraser helped somewhat
2018-05-16T23:16:30 < Cracki> eh, flux them
2018-05-16T23:16:51 < Cracki> if you have the gel type, paint the legs and bake them to just about activation temperature
2018-05-16T23:20:46 < Thorn> yeah I'll do that before soldering
2018-05-16T23:21:33 < Thorn> no pcbs yet
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2018-05-16T23:26:07 < Thorn> and no cats have pissed on them. lots of chips stored in same conditions and all of them are fine
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2018-05-16T23:31:37 < Thorn> BGA FPGA https://i.imgur.com/rlOZnqE.jpg https://i.imgur.com/CvcJj5Y.jpg
2018-05-16T23:35:28 < Cracki> it's not the conditions, it's the chips
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2018-05-16T23:44:33 < aandrew> Thorn: interested in seeing how they perform
2018-05-16T23:44:50 < aandrew> although if you're using them at 20C ambient it's unlikley you'll spot a fake
2018-05-16T23:45:25 < aandrew> I have omron pushbuttons (b3s or someshit) that have oxidized leads
2018-05-16T23:45:31 < aandrew> they're a pain to solder but flux helps a lot
2018-05-16T23:51:16 < stvn> Reading da news - Ms Yun’s younger cousin Rada, who was 13 when she discovered Ms Yun’s body, told police in 2010 her cousin was killed “the Asian way”.
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2018-05-17T00:06:28 < kakimir> chop it up
2018-05-17T00:11:04 < kakimir> time to watch some bad cgi
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2018-05-17T00:14:06 < Thorn> aandrew: it's going to be a while, I haven't even started designing pcbs for them yet lol
2018-05-17T00:14:06 < Thorn> aandrew: it's going to be a while, I haven't even started designing pcbs for them yet lol
2018-05-17T00:15:12 < aandrew> heh
2018-05-17T00:15:18 < aandrew> well by then they'll be well and truly corroded. :-)
2018-05-17T00:15:30 < Thorn> need to submit my first 2 altium projects tonight
2018-05-17T00:15:37 < Thorn> I hope not :/
2018-05-17T00:15:39 < Thorn> lol
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2018-05-17T00:16:46 < kakimir> movie recommendation: star wreck - in the pirkinning
2018-05-17T00:17:18 < kakimir> a lot of yelling
2018-05-17T00:19:43 < kakimir> not what I'm watching at the moment
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2018-05-17T00:31:41 < Thorn> can I fan out a 1mm bga on 2 signal layers?
2018-05-17T00:32:51 < Cracki> sure, if it doesn't have too many rings
2018-05-17T00:33:39 < zyp> you can do bga on single layer if you only need a few signals from it
2018-05-17T00:34:52 < Thorn> I have a China "dev board" with this same fpga and it has all signals broken out. I'm not sure if it's 2 or 4 layers. definitely too few decoupling caps though
2018-05-17T00:35:13 < zyp> what fpga?
2018-05-17T00:35:35 < zyp> those 256bga you linked?
2018-05-17T00:35:44 < Thorn> yes xc6slx16-2ftg256
2018-05-17T00:36:34 < R0b0t1`> 1mm bga is kind of big
2018-05-17T00:37:12 < zyp> I did a spartan 3a or something in the same package
2018-05-17T00:37:14 < R0b0t1`> It does have all the balls though
2018-05-17T00:37:32 < Thorn> yeah no empty spaces
2018-05-17T00:37:35 < zyp> I didn't break out everything, but still pretty easy: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/PogIK.png https://bin.jvnv.net/file/kgGn6.png
2018-05-17T00:37:49 < zyp> that's 4L, but pretty much all signals are on top layer
2018-05-17T00:38:24 < R0b0t1`> What did you do layout in, zyp?
2018-05-17T00:38:30 < zyp> altium
2018-05-17T00:38:33 < R0b0t1`> I see
2018-05-17T00:38:57 < R0b0t1`> The switch to 4L always surprised me because you get most of the savings just being able to take power/ground pins to the respective plane
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2018-05-17T00:39:03 < zyp> yes
2018-05-17T00:39:20 < R0b0t1`> I think oshpark has okay 4L prices if it ends up being a bit cramped, Thorn 
2018-05-17T00:39:28 < R0b0t1`> Maybe 5-7 bucks more than 2L
2018-05-17T00:39:34 < zyp> point to point routing is easy, and on a digital board pretty much everything except power is point to point
2018-05-17T00:48:23 < Thorn> every time I buy ICs on aliexpress, prices rise. ordered stm32f072 last year, the same lot is 1.5x more now. even these fpgas are now $5 more. not even mentioning stm8
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2018-05-17T00:49:47 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/TFZZjPh.png
2018-05-17T00:49:51 < bitmask> one arm complete
2018-05-17T00:50:40 < stvn> Hi
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2018-05-17T00:58:27 < tct> lo
2018-05-17T00:58:42 < tct> the fuck am I looking at, bitmask ?
2018-05-17T00:58:54 < bitmask> pen plotter
2018-05-17T00:59:02 < stvn> It’s his castle
2018-05-17T00:59:11 < tct> it's.... fancy
2018-05-17T00:59:14 < tct> it looks very nice
2018-05-17T00:59:17 < tct> but WHY!?
2018-05-17T01:00:04 < Thorn> tct: it's a taboo topic in this channel
2018-05-17T01:00:17 < bitmask> its my first 3d printing/cad project so I figured id have fun with it and choose a theme. castle seemed interesting and the shapes are easy and good for holding stuff :)
2018-05-17T01:00:18 < tct> what did I miss?
2018-05-17T01:00:26 < stvn> Like the guy out the front of 7-11 I see daily
2018-05-17T01:00:36 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Mb3FfBYL/nigga.JPG
2018-05-17T01:00:40 < BrainDamage> i still think you should have a dildo attachment
2018-05-17T01:01:00 < stvn> I want to give him a bottle of whiskey
2018-05-17T01:01:07 < tct> you don't get to have an opinion until you learn how to find power outlets in a train, BrainDamage 
2018-05-17T01:01:12 < stvn> Steffan wants to give him stm32
2018-05-17T01:02:07 < bitmask> I'd give him my gf but hes already suffering enough
2018-05-17T01:03:11 < stvn> 🍷
2018-05-17T01:04:01 < tct> don't worry. Steffanx naturally repels women
2018-05-17T01:04:45 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/DiQMn804/steffan.PNG
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2018-05-17T01:11:11 < Steffanx> Quiet you bitch.
2018-05-17T01:11:51 < stvn> Do you like the duck?
2018-05-17T01:12:29 < stvn> He is wearing Dutch shoes
2018-05-17T01:12:45 < Steffanx> Dutch shoes?
2018-05-17T01:12:57 < Steffanx> Those arent wooden shoes
2018-05-17T01:13:13 < stvn> Yeah the are
2018-05-17T01:13:50 < stvn> Maybe you can put them on the duck
2018-05-17T01:15:26 < bitmask> hmm, whats the temp range for a rpi?
2018-05-17T01:15:51 < stvn> Datasheet
2018-05-17T01:16:05 < stvn> Nobody uses them here
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2018-05-17T01:16:58 < bitmask> 80-85c
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2018-05-17T01:25:10 < stvn> Cool
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2018-05-17T01:39:29 < Laurenceb_> supppp
2018-05-17T01:46:07 < Laurenceb_> death to mods tbh lads, death to permabanning autistic sassanach
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2018-05-17T02:11:11 < stvn> What are you doing doctor?
2018-05-17T02:22:37 < Laurenceb_> fappin
2018-05-17T02:22:48 < Laurenceb_> I saw my boss last night
2018-05-17T02:22:58 < Laurenceb_> he was driving our wambulance at 10pm
2018-05-17T02:23:20 < BrainDamage> is this the plot for a porn?
2018-05-17T02:23:23 < Laurenceb_> so I ran onto a side street to escape the crazy
2018-05-17T02:23:26 < Laurenceb_> woah
2018-05-17T02:23:39 < Laurenceb_> nice plan, I could grab the wambulance and use it as a pronz set
2018-05-17T02:24:10 < Laurenceb_> I should ring Ben Dover, and ask Russian grrrl if she wants to star
2018-05-17T02:24:33 < Laurenceb_> >Born: 23 May 1956 (age 61 years)
2018-05-17T02:24:39 < Laurenceb_> sheeet he is a bit old now
2018-05-17T02:27:08 < upgrdman> those that also work as EE's or equiv: do you find it difficult to find employees that know both hardware and software? like they dont need to be experts at both, but be able to find the root cause of a problem
2018-05-17T02:27:43 < Laurenceb_> ppl I work for dont seem to understand software
2018-05-17T02:27:49 < upgrdman> having to help my chinabros with problems, and if someone knows software, they know ~nothing about hardware. and vise versa. :(
2018-05-17T02:27:50 < Laurenceb_> >just code an APP
2018-05-17T02:28:03 < Laurenceb_> >write a G.U.I.
2018-05-17T02:29:31 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/3278a4a869/112667.png """"lad""""
2018-05-17T02:29:45 < Laurenceb_> that black MAGA guy is a bit worrying
2018-05-17T02:30:35 < Laurenceb_> probably the leader of the alt-right
2018-05-17T02:31:05 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: tomorrow I have a meeting to discuss G.U.I. development
2018-05-17T02:31:11 < Laurenceb_> this is gunna be fun
2018-05-17T02:31:13 < aandrew> upgrdman: yes, knowing both seems a bit of a thing people aren't interested in
2018-05-17T02:31:26 < aandrew> whenever I start on a contract people freak out when I reach for a soldering iron
2018-05-17T02:31:30 < aandrew> "DO YOU KNOW HOW TO USE THAT THING?!" 
2018-05-17T02:31:38 < aandrew> bitch please, stand back and let me work
2018-05-17T02:31:48 < upgrdman> lol
2018-05-17T02:32:04 < aandrew> they were having a lot of trouble bringing up a camera board
2018-05-17T02:32:13 < aandrew> I found out they'd swapped RAS and CAS on the SDRAM
2018-05-17T02:32:31 < aandrew> so I took it home and under the microscope swapped the lines (they were run right beside each other) .. came up great
2018-05-17T02:32:36 < aandrew> WOW HOWDYADOTHAT
2018-05-17T02:33:07 < upgrdman> magic.gif
2018-05-17T02:33:26 < aandrew> now I admit that was a pretty neat trick but with a scope I'm damn near invincible with soldering
2018-05-17T02:33:31 < aandrew> my eyes are just getting old
2018-05-17T02:33:50 < aandrew> but a bit of magnification and doing shit on 0.5mm pitch connectors or 5mil spaced traces is not hard
2018-05-17T02:33:55 < aandrew> you just need to be patient
2018-05-17T02:38:24 < Laurenceb_> https://archive.fo/6RxTU
2018-05-17T02:39:30 < Laurenceb_> my sides are in orbit
2018-05-17T02:40:57 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/3278a4a869/112669.jpg
2018-05-17T02:41:04 < Laurenceb_> ^attn englishman
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2018-05-17T04:48:59 < englishman> looks like Thorn forgot his humisealed baggie and desiccant packet
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2018-05-17T04:59:52 < englishman> supgrdman
2018-05-17T05:00:04 < englishman> just got a 44mm feeder to increase my $ per hour
2018-05-17T05:08:19 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/0fn6650m86y01.jpg
2018-05-17T05:08:36 < upgrdman> englishman, 44mm is used for what? big BGAs?
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2018-05-17T05:18:07 < ohsix> irc getting mad neglected
2018-05-17T05:18:27 < upgrdman> youre alive!
2018-05-17T05:18:52 < ohsix> possibly not for long, but that's out of my control
2018-05-17T05:19:20 < ohsix> doubt anyone saw that i mentioned a crazy lady shot at me
2018-05-17T05:20:10 < ohsix> she's doing some pretty crazy stuff, and when she explores that she very well might just gun me down
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2018-05-17T05:24:09 < ohsix> i'm remembering why i don't look at irc
2018-05-17T05:27:02 < upgrdman> this lady, what'd you do to her
2018-05-17T05:27:45 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/Ov6apUb.gifv
2018-05-17T05:28:04 < ohsix> i cut off communication after she'd been abusive, cold turkey; she kind of snapped, and the paranoia i'd noticed started being aimed at me, i was a spy, we weren't friends, etc
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2018-05-17T05:28:35 < ohsix> she scared a bunch of tenants in the building telling them she had a gun on her
2018-05-17T05:31:29 < jadew> what's the ISO 2 code for south and north Korea? One is called Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the other one is called Republic of Korea
2018-05-17T05:31:46 < jadew> Democratic sounds like South, but it also has People in it, so that can't be good
2018-05-17T05:31:57 < jadew> which is which?
2018-05-17T05:32:11 < englishman> dprk is best korea aka north korea
2018-05-17T05:32:19 < ohsix> does dprk even fit the kind of use of the iso code?
2018-05-17T05:32:29 < ohsix> nk?
2018-05-17T05:32:45 < jadew> nope, it's KP
2018-05-17T05:32:47 < jadew> and KR
2018-05-17T05:32:54 < jadew> englishbot, thanks
2018-05-17T05:33:05 < jadew> so KP = North Korea
2018-05-17T05:33:16 < jadew> and KR = South Korea
2018-05-17T05:33:57 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#KP
2018-05-17T05:34:31 < jadew> yep, I knew that "People" couldn't be good
2018-05-17T05:35:19 < jadew> didn't they make a deal with South Korea?
2018-05-17T05:35:25 < jadew> maybe they'll give up on communism
2018-05-17T05:36:17 < jadew> I'd really like to know what north koreans think and know about the rest of the world
2018-05-17T05:36:19 < ohsix> o man there's thsi other crazy guy that i made before he wasted too much of my time, since i had witnessed True Crazy; he was adamant about an idea that failed completely under casual inspection, when reduced to a one dimensional/algebra problem, he wanted to take advantage of mass in one direction, and have it be zero in the other. crazy omitted for clarity
2018-05-17T05:38:39 < jadew> https://www.quora.com/Do-people-in-North-Korea-know-about-life-in-the-outside-world
2018-05-17T05:39:04 < jadew> "Extremely low penetration of communication technologies: An average North Korean has not seen a mobile phone and telegram is the predominant method of inter-commune communication."
2018-05-17T05:39:20 < jadew> telegrams!
2018-05-17T05:40:58 < jadew> so... they don't know we're living star trek kind of lives
2018-05-17T05:43:19 < jadew> "A funny thing about the north Korean propaganda when I was in Korea:  the "lures" that the north would use were silly.  One leaflet told South Koreans that if they go north and defect, they could have rice every day!"
2018-05-17T05:48:06 < jadew> on the topic of countries, this is a country too: http://www.ga.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0007/12589/GA13815.jpg
2018-05-17T05:48:22 < jadew> Heard Island and McDonald Islands
2018-05-17T05:48:41 < jadew> Population: 0
2018-05-17T05:48:50 < dongs> kp/kr is correct
2018-05-17T05:48:55 < dongs> funfact, back when google was garbage
2018-05-17T05:49:03 < dongs> you'd be able to search site:kp
2018-05-17T05:49:08 < dongs> and get links to a ton of dead jap sites
2018-05-17T05:49:11 < dongs> of japs misspelling jp as kp
2018-05-17T05:49:17 < ohsix> was in the paper a few more times, it's been fun
2018-05-17T05:49:25 < dongs> ~10+ years ago
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2018-05-17T06:09:30 < ohsix> http://www.themirkopresslerband.com/food this is my accordion teacher heheh
2018-05-17T06:14:26 < ohsix> it's such a small town, in like a year i've been introduced to most of the people doing grants and handling education money here; and on the other side the businesses that actually make things
2018-05-17T06:20:59 < ohsix> well poop, email me if something interesting happens or something
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2018-05-17T06:47:00 < dongs> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1B47I9YPqW-AIR9vhXS63Rn6r0zeWFX0r/view found what laurence/b/ has bene busy with
2018-05-17T06:51:48 < dongs> no shit
2018-05-17T07:02:29 < Thorn> why are all my mounting holes named '4'
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2018-05-17T07:05:07 < englishman> you have assigned them pin number 4
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2018-05-17T07:07:39 < Thorn> I swear officer I didn't
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2018-05-17T07:52:17 < dongs> fuck me what kind of shitheads made slack
2018-05-17T07:52:22 < dongs> fucking utterly useless shitware
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2018-05-17T08:34:56 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CuOHDlsiDs max autism
2018-05-17T08:36:26 < jpa-> it has arduino and 3d-printing, what more could you want?
2018-05-17T08:50:24 < Thorn> do you like my altium sk1llz https://i.imgur.com/mQc43QX.png
2018-05-17T08:50:53 < dongs> what kinda keypad has 20 buttons
2018-05-17T08:50:57 < dongs> also why teh hell are tehy throughhole
2018-05-17T08:54:08 < Thorn> are there surface mount 12mm switches and how do you solder them with iron if they are densely packed
2018-05-17T08:54:23 < dongs> . why would you not reflow that board
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2018-05-17T09:12:04 < Thorn> 20 buttons is twice as fun as 10
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2018-05-17T09:23:25 < dongs> how come your RS485 plug is A/B/Gnd 
2018-05-17T09:23:28 < dongs> instaed of A/Gnd//B
2018-05-17T09:24:11 < Thorn> is that standard?
2018-05-17T09:24:51 < dongs> no but i mean it can be rotated easily if you fuck up
2018-05-17T09:25:02 < dongs> but i donno all my DMX shit i make it like that
2018-05-17T09:25:10 < dongs> with those green phonenix conenctors
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2018-05-17T09:35:15 < Haohmaru> apparently, one of you has come up with an innovative pinout scheme
2018-05-17T09:36:19 < Thorn> is it patentable
2018-05-17T09:36:33 < Haohmaru> i think anything is
2018-05-17T09:36:53 < jpa-> all my pinout schemes are innovative
2018-05-17T09:37:08 < jpa-> for example, i've figured out 720 incompatible ways to lay out my SWD connectors
2018-05-17T09:37:22 < Haohmaru> this deserves an international celebration day
2018-05-17T09:51:32 < Thorn> jpa-: I'm way ahead of you in this area of innovation. not only are my swd connectors all subtly different, one of the boards I did 2 months ago has wrong silkscreen legend (swdio and swclk are mixed up)
2018-05-17T09:51:49 < jpa-> zomg
2018-05-17T09:52:33 < Thorn> which has been fixed in rev. b to add to the confusion even more
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2018-05-17T09:54:42 < dongs> is tehrea _max_int or wahtever equivalent for float
2018-05-17T09:54:50 < dongs> something i can use as a placeholder for invalid data
2018-05-17T09:55:09 < Haohmaru> there is, there's also NaN and INF
2018-05-17T09:55:14 < Haohmaru> and QNaN
2018-05-17T09:55:24 < Haohmaru> and denormals
2018-05-17T09:55:38 < dongs> FLT_MAX?looks like
2018-05-17T09:55:51 < Thorn> dongs: use NaN
2018-05-17T09:55:53 < jpa-> std::numeric_limits<float>.max() of course
2018-05-17T09:55:53 < dongs> keil has it as __FLT_MAX__
2018-05-17T09:55:59 < dongs> jpa-: haha fu
2018-05-17T09:56:07 < dongs> Thorn: how do i write it
2018-05-17T09:56:10 < dongs> is it Literally NaN
2018-05-17T09:56:19 < Haohmaru> nope
2018-05-17T09:56:22 < jpa-> (0.0f/0.0f)
2018-05-17T09:56:35 < dongs> thats not gonna be a runtime error?
2018-05-17T09:56:37 < Thorn> >In C, NAN is declared in <math.h>.
2018-05-17T09:56:40 < Haohmaru> i think there's also a sign to it
2018-05-17T09:56:55 < jpa-> dongs: nope, with floats it will be NAN
2018-05-17T09:57:13 < jpa-> IIRC the math.h define is usually   #define NAN (0.0f/0.0f)  also
2018-05-17T09:57:20 < Haohmaru> for INF there's most certainly a sign
2018-05-17T09:57:24 < Haohmaru> +INF -INF
2018-05-17T09:57:32 < dongs> define NAN __builtin_nanf("")
2018-05-17T09:57:57 < dongs> define NAN (__ESCAPE__(0f_7FC00000))
2018-05-17T09:58:06 < dongs> ok trying with nan
2018-05-17T10:04:18 < dongs> what happens when hardfp does math with nan
2018-05-17T10:04:21 < dongs> is it gonna bail
2018-05-17T10:04:56 < Thorn> NaN is infectious
2018-05-17T10:05:07 < Thorn> any operation with NaN gives NaN
2018-05-17T10:05:20 < dongs> but does it work?
2018-05-17T10:05:25 < dongs> or hardfault
2018-05-17T10:05:43 < jpa-> works
2018-05-17T10:05:44 < Haohmaru> it sharts the pants
2018-05-17T10:05:57 < stvn> Hmmm
2018-05-17T10:08:56 < dongs> WTF
2018-05-17T10:09:05 < dongs> in keil i can see someshit like 1#.QNAN
2018-05-17T10:09:16 < dongs> and i did if (data != NAN) and it actually passed that check
2018-05-17T10:09:31 < jpa-> NAN != NAN is true
2018-05-17T10:09:34 < dongs> what
2018-05-17T10:09:35 < Thorn> nan is not equal to itself
2018-05-17T10:09:36 < jpa-> you have to use isnan()
2018-05-17T10:09:48 < dongs> oh!
2018-05-17T10:10:37 < jpa-> (it used to be that   #define isnan(x) (x != x)    because NAN is the only thing not equal to itself)
2018-05-17T10:11:12 < dongs> looks like it calls __ARM_isnanf
2018-05-17T10:11:22 < jpa-> yeah
2018-05-17T10:11:33 < jpa-> whatever that does
2018-05-17T10:11:38 < dongs> rite
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2018-05-17T10:13:17 < Haohmaru> jpa- checks bit patterns
2018-05-17T10:13:33 < Haohmaru> there's also is_normal()
2018-05-17T10:24:39 < dongs> found what zyp's been busy with
2018-05-17T10:24:41 < dongs> Echarge
2018-05-17T10:24:41 < dongs> 14. Apr 2018
2018-05-17T10:24:41 < dongs> a month ago
2018-05-17T10:24:41 < dongs> 31. May 2018
2018-05-17T10:24:43 < dongs> in 13 days
2018-05-17T10:24:46 < dongs> Alternative system for easy and cost-efficient recharging of electric cars and other battery-powered vehicles
2018-05-17T10:24:54 < dongs> (buttcoin-related)
2018-05-17T10:25:11 < dongs> https://tokenmarket.net/blockchain/ethereum/assets/echarge/
2018-05-17T10:26:51 < stvn> Hmm
2018-05-17T10:34:58 < zyp> dongs, haha
2018-05-17T10:36:05 < dongs> http://www.echarge.io/docs/whitepaper-of-echarge-V2.pdf?v=2.0
2018-05-17T10:37:16 < dongs> 1.2 How does echarge.work work
2018-05-17T10:37:30 < dongs> Edrivers can book hotels which have an echarge.work charging
2018-05-17T10:37:30 < dongs> station on its premises directly via the app. The charging station can
2018-05-17T10:37:30 < dongs> be used immediately on arrival when booked with accommodation
2018-05-17T10:37:30 < dongs> and the corresponding amount of ECHARGE (ECHG) tokens is
2018-05-17T10:37:30 < dongs> deducted from the cryptocurrency wallet embedded in the mobile
2018-05-17T10:37:32 < dongs> application.
2018-05-17T10:37:35 < dongs> why is buttcoin even involved
2018-05-17T10:37:41 < zyp> «Would you book a hotel that has no WIFI? The answer is most likely a resounding ‘no thank you’ In the future, the same logic will count for hotels that do not offer evehicle charging stations.»
2018-05-17T10:37:41 < dongs> when people can just pay for same shit with fucking real money
2018-05-17T10:37:45 < zyp> this much is true
2018-05-17T10:38:01 < zyp> I've already chosen hotel based on charger availability a couple of times
2018-05-17T10:38:07 < dongs> http://doyouneedablockchain.com/
2018-05-17T10:39:41 < Haohmaru> yes.you.do.com
2018-05-17T10:41:06 < stvn> These fucking repair retards keep sending me pics
2018-05-17T10:41:27 < stvn> I bet this guy did this himself
2018-05-17T10:41:42 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KnsYNQzc/blowndog.JPG
2018-05-17T10:42:03 < dongs> Just like echarge.work is the future of emobility, the ICO is the future of venture funding. This exciting use of blockchain technology revolves around the exchange of cryptocurrency for a share of a limited number of tokens
2018-05-17T10:42:17 < zyp> this shit is retarded
2018-05-17T10:42:27 < stvn> The word block chain makes me gag
2018-05-17T10:42:32 < stvn> Idkwtf it is too
2018-05-17T10:42:39 < zyp> there's already a bunch of real world solutions doing this with real money
2018-05-17T10:42:45 < stvn> Sounds like some stupid bitcoin crap
2018-05-17T10:43:13 < dongs> zyp, my point exactly. they're providing nothing new other htan buttchain
2018-05-17T10:43:59 < dongs> Worldwide, except for countries where cryptocurrencies and investment in ICOs are explicitly outlawed.
2018-05-17T10:44:11 < zyp> bitcoin payment could be reasonable enough, but I sure as fuck aren't going to dick around with some sort of echarge tokens
2018-05-17T10:44:13 < dongs> need to work on getting more places into that 2nd list
2018-05-17T10:44:41 < tct> I just read `echarge tokens` and my day is already ruined - and it don't even know what that is!
2018-05-17T10:45:49 < zyp> «In return, we ask for an exclusive service provision agreement and a EUR 20 charging fee per charging session, which will be paid by hotel guests.»
2018-05-17T10:45:52 < zyp> this is retarded
2018-05-17T10:46:24 < dongs> https://youtu.be/InYcNFdUdcQ?t=59
2018-05-17T10:46:28 < dongs> zyp, their video contradicts that
2018-05-17T10:46:34 < dongs> it sez no cost
2018-05-17T10:46:54 < dongs> 'at no cost to hotel owners' , oic
2018-05-17T10:46:55 < zyp> I guess they bake it into the room price, but it's still retarded
2018-05-17T10:46:58 < dongs> but at cost to customers?
2018-05-17T10:47:34 < zyp> well, electricity and infrastructure costs, of course they have to make money somehow
2018-05-17T10:48:44 < zyp> but 20 EUR per session is like ten times the infrastructure cost
2018-05-17T10:49:14 < tct> sounds like swissland calculation
2018-05-17T10:49:51 < zyp> I typically pay like 5 EUR for a fast charge session, slow charging should naturally cost less
2018-05-17T10:50:12 < dongs> tct, their office is in switzerland.
2018-05-17T10:50:19 < tct> oh boy
2018-05-17T10:50:26 < tct> anyway - what are we talking about? who's they?
2018-05-17T10:50:38 < dongs> donno some random buttchain shit i came across
2018-05-17T10:50:43 < dongs> and said zyp is in on  the scam
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2018-05-17T10:51:27 < tct> zyp's the godfather of scamming. he once charged me for doing some work.
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2018-05-17T10:51:48 < dongs> the horror
2018-05-17T10:52:11 < zyp> yeah, I should learn from dongs 
2018-05-17T10:52:20 < tct> he did an excellent job though.
2018-05-17T10:52:23 < zyp> dongs does a bunch of work for me and never invoice
2018-05-17T10:52:30 < dongs> right
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2018-05-17T10:53:40 < tct> we all know that dongs is a very good man... somewhere deep inside his... "heart"
2018-05-17T10:54:27 < dongs> https://www.engadget.com/2018/05/15/htc-exodus-blockchain-phone/
2018-05-17T10:54:27 < dongs> .
2018-05-17T10:54:50 < Steffanx> Tct be nice.
2018-05-17T10:55:07 < tct> sorry. I love you all - really.
2018-05-17T10:57:23 < dongs> so
2018-05-17T10:57:27 < dongs> new-ish v ersion of keil
2018-05-17T10:57:33 < dongs> switched to usng lunix line endings
2018-05-17T10:57:35 < dongs> for .uvprok
2018-05-17T10:57:37 < dongs> uvproj
2018-05-17T10:57:41 < zyp> blame clang
2018-05-17T10:57:44 < dongs> and now every fucking time i open it
2018-05-17T10:57:51 < dongs> git thinks i have changes
2018-05-17T10:57:59 < dongs> but they're just line endings changes
2018-05-17T10:58:12 < Steffanx> Aaawh
2018-05-17T10:58:15 < dongs> so i have to discard the fucking uvproj each time i wanna switch branches or whatever
2018-05-17T10:58:18 < dongs> fucking hell
2018-05-17T10:58:19 < dongs> death to lunix
2018-05-17T10:58:35 < zyp> more like fuck CRLF endings
2018-05-17T10:59:07 < dongs> nope
2018-05-17T10:59:11 < Steffanx> I dont get it. Git only thinks it has changes when it has changes. Whats the issue?
2018-05-17T10:59:26 < Steffanx> Vommit those changes and youre done right?
2018-05-17T10:59:48 < dongs> the issue is when i try to add it, since i have ignore line endings enabled, theres nothing to commit
2018-05-17T10:59:58 < dongs> when i try to git add the shit.
2018-05-17T11:00:11 < Steffanx> There you go. You caused the issue. :p
2018-05-17T11:00:14 < dongs> no?
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2018-05-17T11:02:21 < Haohmaru> doesn't your IDE have an option to detect and use the same line ending scheme as the given file?
2018-05-17T11:02:30 < dongs> uvproj is not ide
2018-05-17T11:02:34 < dongs> its the project file.
2018-05-17T11:02:38 < dongs> i mean, its not source file or whatever.
2018-05-17T11:02:41 < dongs> its just some shitty xml
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2018-05-17T11:03:10 < Haohmaru> oh
2018-05-17T11:03:22 < Haohmaru> blame textfiles for that
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2018-05-17T11:09:56 < dongs> warning: LF will be replaced by CRLF in unit_stm32.uvproj.
2018-05-17T11:09:56 < dongs> The file will have its original line endings in your working directory.
2018-05-17T11:09:57 < dongs> ok
2018-05-17T11:10:06 < dongs> yeah so ... i see on cli that git does taht shit
2018-05-17T11:10:28 < dongs> how the shit do i fix it
2018-05-17T11:13:42 < dongs> As described in "git replacing LF with CRLF", it should only occur on checkout (not commit), with core.autocrlf=true .
2018-05-17T11:17:50 < dongs> k fixed
2018-05-17T11:17:52 < dongs> with autolf shit
2018-05-17T11:24:05 < dongs> no that didnt fix shit
2018-05-17T11:24:06 < dongs> god damn
2018-05-17T11:24:11 < dongs> now every commit deletes entire file
2018-05-17T11:24:13 < dongs> and re-adds it
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2018-05-17T11:29:35 < PaulFertser> I do not understand why git on windows doesn't leave line endings alone. IMHO that would be the least confusing. Just keep everything as it is, do not mess with the files...
2018-05-17T11:29:59 < PaulFertser> (it offers that option during installation but that's not default)
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2018-05-17T11:54:33 < Haohmaru> ++standarts; ++confooz; ++pain;
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2018-05-17T12:13:04 < dongs> is CRC32 of ffffffffffff<anylength> = 0?
2018-05-17T12:13:12 < dongs> or am i doing it wrong
2018-05-17T12:13:46 < dongs> oh looks like my CRC periphral isnt powered up
2018-05-17T12:14:06 < Haohmaru> huehue
2018-05-17T12:14:42 < dongs> hmm no it is
2018-05-17T12:19:43 < dongs> hmmm teh fuck
2018-05-17T12:19:44 < zyp> I don't think crc can ever be 0
2018-05-17T12:19:49 < dongs> peripheral is on
2018-05-17T12:19:54 < dongs> writing anything to it - zeros
2018-05-17T12:20:02 < dongs> F302RE has it per refman/datasheet
2018-05-17T12:20:14 < dongs> the fuck is going on
2018-05-17T12:21:46 < dongs> WTF
2018-05-17T12:21:49 < dongs> something turns it off
2018-05-17T12:21:55 < dongs> i have a crcinit that pwoers it on
2018-05-17T12:22:03 < dongs> when i get to somewhere else in code, its already powereddown
2018-05-17T12:22:05 < dongs> .
2018-05-17T12:22:21 < zyp> in RCC?
2018-05-17T12:22:23 < dongs> yes
2018-05-17T12:22:26 < dongs> CRCEN is off
2018-05-17T12:22:43 < dongs> i might have to set a fucking write watchpoint or something to see waht does it
2018-05-17T12:22:48 < zyp> set a watchpoint on the register containing CRCEN, then step through accesses
2018-05-17T12:22:50 < dongs> that makes no sense
2018-05-17T12:22:51 < dongs> yeah
2018-05-17T12:22:52 < zyp> yeah
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2018-05-17T12:24:00 < Haohmaru> hm, is this one of the many "gotchas"
2018-05-17T12:24:58 < dongs> fucking found it
2018-05-17T12:25:14 < dongs> i had some old code to claculate crchash of something that I didnt migrate to the new driver
2018-05-17T12:25:20 < dongs> it turned on crc, calculated, turned off
2018-05-17T12:26:06 < Haohmaru> ah, for finding stuff like that, i use my IDE's "find references to CRCEN"
2018-05-17T12:26:55 < dongs> thats not how it works
2018-05-17T12:27:12 < dongs> ive completely forgotten i t ouched that peripheral in that code at all.
2018-05-17T12:27:19 < dongs> watchpoint on write to RCC workedanyway
2018-05-17T12:27:25 < dongs> like ~12 hits later it got it
2018-05-17T12:27:35 < Haohmaru> well, it'd find it
2018-05-17T12:27:45 < karlp> why does thorn's thing have rs485 + usb + external power?
2018-05-17T12:27:46 < Haohmaru> no matter if i've forgotten it
2018-05-17T12:28:16 < Haohmaru> i don't have the luxury of debugger, so..
2018-05-17T12:28:25 < Thorn> karlp: what did I forget
2018-05-17T12:28:33 < Haohmaru> i must innovate with stone-age debugging methods
2018-05-17T12:28:50 < Thorn> my other thing also has ethernet and radio https://i.imgur.com/2Y0fbMR.png
2018-05-17T12:28:52 < Haohmaru> lighting a candle on and off
2018-05-17T12:28:59 < Haohmaru> ehm, i mean LED
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2018-05-17T12:29:27 < dongs> dongles
2018-05-17T12:29:53 < Haohmaru> mechanical "step-thru" debugging: stick a metal rod into the gears and inspect the machine
2018-05-17T12:30:58 < Sagiftw> Hello. I have a very odd problem. I'm using "HAL_UART_Transmit_DMA(&UartHandle, buff, BUFFER_SIZE)" to send data over UART and it's working fine. However, when I change a value in buff, by doing buff[4]=0xAB for example, the old buffer is being transmitted again, instead of the changed one! Any ideas why does it happen?
2018-05-17T12:31:14 < dongs> sounds liek a C problem
2018-05-17T12:31:21 < dongs> as well as indentation
2018-05-17T12:31:34 < dongs> there's no space between ], = and 0xAB
2018-05-17T12:31:38 < zyp> Sagiftw, your buffer is not volatile, so the compiler doesn't propagate the write to ram immdeiately
2018-05-17T12:31:58 < karlp> Thorn: just wondering what the usec ases are for all of it :)
2018-05-17T12:32:13 < dongs> karlp: hand-assemled boards, ' nuff said
2018-05-17T12:32:17 < dongs> probably just autisming
2018-05-17T12:32:35 < Thorn> guide to fixing your stm32 problems: (1) use volatile (2) don't use HAL (3) if it still doesn't work, RTFM
2018-05-17T12:33:17 < dongs> nice
2018-05-17T12:33:25 < dongs> i havent been bitten by volatile shit yet
2018-05-17T12:33:53 < dongs> i mean i make shit that IRQs access as volatile and that aout it
2018-05-17T12:34:08 < zyp> that's all you need
2018-05-17T12:34:31 < Haohmaru> is access to uint32_t atomic on dem arms?
2018-05-17T12:34:47 < zyp> in what sense?
2018-05-17T12:35:13 < Haohmaru> i don't know ;P~
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2018-05-17T12:35:45 < Haohmaru> can an interrupt throw yer program elswhere in the middle of writing 0xFFFFFFFF into yer integer?
2018-05-17T12:35:59 < zyp> no
2018-05-17T12:36:04 < Haohmaru> gud
2018-05-17T12:36:11 < dongs> http://www.city.minato.tokyo.jp/system/anzen/1488.html
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2018-05-17T12:37:32 < dongs> wow
2018-05-17T12:37:34 < dongs> zyp,
2018-05-17T12:37:43 < dongs> there's 27k "members" in echarge telegram group
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2018-05-17T12:38:33  * Haohmaru puts on his umbrella
2018-05-17T12:39:33 < Sagiftw> zyp: Thanks! You saved my life.
2018-05-17T12:40:35 < dongs> does git support proper file rename
2018-05-17T12:40:37 < Thorn> karlp: the keypad can be used in 3 modes: HID, RS-485 master (PC to RS-485 bridge) and RS-485 slave 
2018-05-17T12:40:40 < dongs> or is it delete old, add new
2018-05-17T12:41:01 < Thorn> dongs: git mv, also if you add and delete it will notice that the file is the same
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2018-05-17T12:46:42 < dongs> does mv just do same internally anyway
2018-05-17T12:48:53 < PaulFertser> dongs: git just "guesses" renames, so no proper support.
2018-05-17T12:49:15 < PaulFertser> But in trivial cases (real renames without changing much inside) it works reliably.
2018-05-17T12:50:01 < karlp> just remember to help it by doing the rename, commit, then the edits.
2018-05-17T12:50:14 < karlp> makes git log --follow newfilename work much better.
2018-05-17T12:50:22 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MoGmXVBp4g music times
2018-05-17T12:54:17 < stvn> n
2018-05-17T12:54:21 < stvn> quiet times
2018-05-17T12:54:31 < stvn> no jungle beats
2018-05-17T12:55:35 < Laurenceb_> muh shakker
2018-05-17T12:56:32  * Laurenceb_ heads off for shakker meeting
2018-05-17T12:56:51 < Laurenceb_> this is gunna be "fun"
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2018-05-17T13:00:43 < stvn> muh muhh muhhh
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2018-05-17T14:38:41 < Laurenceb> muh
2018-05-17T14:38:43 < Laurenceb> MUH
2018-05-17T14:38:53 < stvn> lol
2018-05-17T14:41:10 < stvn> Laurenceb: https://youtu.be/8TgDUVe7lK8?t=12m54s
2018-05-17T14:41:58 < Laurenceb> >insert ED article on fat-pie here
2018-05-17T14:42:32 < Laurenceb> https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/David_Firth
2018-05-17T14:42:51 < Laurenceb> >David Firth is a purveyor of Flash movies of a rather mediocre nature. Possessing no artistic talent
2018-05-17T14:43:04 < stvn> will look in a min
2018-05-17T14:43:24 < Laurenceb> my friend from school shared a house with him at uni
2018-05-17T14:43:31 < Laurenceb> no homo
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2018-05-17T14:46:00 < stvn> devvo?
2018-05-17T14:46:27 < Laurenceb> yeah that was actually funny
2018-05-17T14:46:35 < Laurenceb> but no my friend isnt devvo
2018-05-17T14:47:53 < stvn> https://youtu.be/8TgDUVe7lK8?t=17m33s
2018-05-17T14:47:56 < karlp> I wonder why the ms sphere dev board has a ft4232 on it.
2018-05-17T14:48:48 < karlp> hrm, I guess, 1 for jtag, 1 for pluton "recovery uart" 1 for the a7 "service uart", and one leftover?
2018-05-17T14:48:51 < Laurenceb> stvn: ok this is quite lame
2018-05-17T14:49:01 < stvn> it is
2018-05-17T14:49:06 < stvn> that's why i posted it
2018-05-17T14:50:05 < Laurenceb> >tfw we used to think salad fingers was cool at school
2018-05-17T14:50:15 < Laurenceb> and original O_p
2018-05-17T14:51:12 < Laurenceb> sheet watching this shit its liek being 14 years old again
2018-05-17T14:51:33 < stvn> yes
2018-05-17T14:51:46 < stvn> when did it all start agai
2018-05-17T14:51:47 < stvn> n
2018-05-17T14:51:57 < Laurenceb> about 2005 or something
2018-05-17T14:52:10 < Laurenceb> >we used to gather round to watch latest shit in school it room
2018-05-17T14:52:23 < Laurenceb> devvo and salad fingers
2018-05-17T14:52:54 < stvn> i remember a bunch of niggers being obsessed with that fucking stickdeath garbage site
2018-05-17T14:53:13 < karlp> this is cooler: https://github.com/luanfujun/deep-painterly-harmonization#examples
2018-05-17T14:53:15 < stvn> keep in mind the last year i was in 'school' waz 2003
2018-05-17T14:53:43 < Laurenceb> oldfag
2018-05-17T14:54:24 < stvn> lolol
2018-05-17T14:54:45 < stvn> oh that fucking joecartoon site too
2018-05-17T14:54:52 < stvn> instant cancer
2018-05-17T15:03:06 < Laurenceb> I got b& from all school computers for irl trolling Tony Blair with big overhead projector
2018-05-17T15:04:39 < Laurenceb> put Blair and Bush buttsex videos on scheduled tasks for when he came to open new buildings
2018-05-17T15:07:09 < Laurenceb> lucky tbh, nowadays I'd probably got to prison for that level of trollin
2018-05-17T15:07:51 < Laurenceb> apparently the timing was perfect and Blair had to look away in disgust while someone frantically ripped out the projector power cables
2018-05-17T15:08:34 < stvn> lolol
2018-05-17T15:09:53 < stvn> the fucking sea drive
2018-05-17T15:10:44 < Laurenceb> emdrive?
2018-05-17T15:10:52 < stvn> yah
2018-05-17T15:11:20 < Laurenceb> I should check nasaspaceflight forumz
2018-05-17T15:11:25 < stvn> has it been finished yet i would like a flying ________
2018-05-17T15:11:30 < Laurenceb> timecube tier land
2018-05-17T15:11:53 < stvn> that's really niggerlicious
2018-05-17T15:11:54 < Laurenceb> although nasa itself seems to get more and more timecube
2018-05-17T15:12:07 < stvn> wtf is timecube
2018-05-17T15:12:07 < Laurenceb> they are all losing their marbles
2018-05-17T15:12:16 < Laurenceb> >not knowing what timecube is
2018-05-17T15:12:21 < Laurenceb> do you even internet?
2018-05-17T15:12:26 < stvn> no
2018-05-17T15:12:55 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn2UCqL5qyo
2018-05-17T15:13:23 < stvn> is that terry davis?
2018-05-17T15:13:59 < Laurenceb> no he is even more insane
2018-05-17T15:14:16 < Laurenceb>  Simontaneously 
2018-05-17T15:14:34 < stvn> i wonder if anyone knew him in his sane days
2018-05-17T15:20:45 < Laurenceb> more proof that we need to promote healthy, respectful ways of "being a man"
2018-05-17T15:21:37 < Laurenceb> the four cornered patriarchy cube of rape, manspreading, mansplaining, and manturrupting
2018-05-17T15:22:49 < stvn> lolwut 
2018-05-17T15:23:23 < BrainDamage> 4 vertex don't make a cube
2018-05-17T15:23:38 < Laurenceb>  ^ imagine being this new
2018-05-17T15:24:06 < Laurenceb> educatud stuupid
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2018-05-17T15:25:52 < Steffanx> Stvn
2018-05-17T15:26:08 < stvn> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmyes
2018-05-17T15:28:38 < stvn> stffn
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2018-05-17T15:29:44 < stvn> blaxter's uranium
2018-05-17T15:30:16 < Laurenceb> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=42978.3260
2018-05-17T15:30:19 < Laurenceb> my sides
2018-05-17T15:30:52 < Laurenceb> > dat murican flag
2018-05-17T15:35:07 < Laurenceb> freaking finally https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325177082_The_SpaceDrive_Project_-_First_Results_on_EMDrive_and_Mach-Effect_Thrusters
2018-05-17T15:35:35 < Laurenceb> both emdrive and mach effect busted for good
2018-05-17T15:36:04 < Laurenceb> >     This  clearly  indicates  that  the  “thrust”  is  not coming  from  the  EMDrive  but  from  some electromagnetic  interaction.  
2018-05-17T15:36:06 < Laurenceb> BUSTED
2018-05-17T15:37:17 < Laurenceb> the emdrive saga is over at last
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2018-05-17T15:46:15 < karlp> hooray, -mfpu=auto and it can now take it from the -mpcu= information
2018-05-17T15:52:51 < Laurenceb> https://kek.gg/i/4d_yzv.jpg
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2018-05-17T16:08:11 < Sagiftw> Hello. I have a very odd problem. I'm using "HAL_UART_Transmit_DMA(&UartHandle, buff, BUFFER_SIZE)" to send data over UART and it's working fine. However, when I change a value in buff, by doing buff[4]=0xAB for example, the old buffer is being transmitted again, instead of the changed one! Someone here suggested to use the keyword "volatile" for the buffer, but it does not solve the problem. Any ideas how can I solve it?
2018-05-17T16:13:03 < kakimir> I'm convinced that there is people intentionally making kicad worse.. there is no other explanation
2018-05-17T16:13:56 < kakimir> when they remove legacy renderer it's over
2018-05-17T16:18:37 < kakimir> assuming it's rushed
2018-05-17T16:21:22 < kakimir> kicad folks are disgusted by only thing that works like charm - and want to get rid of it
2018-05-17T16:23:25 < kakimir> I need alternative for micromelf
2018-05-17T16:23:31 < kakimir> about same size
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2018-05-17T16:34:26 < Haohmaru> kakimir i do 97% of the stuff in opengl mode, not in legacy
2018-05-17T16:34:43 < Haohmaru> just fyi
2018-05-17T16:35:08 < Haohmaru> specifically routing in legacy mode is vomit
2018-05-17T16:35:10 < Haohmaru> punishment
2018-05-17T16:36:13 < kakimir> opengl mode I use 10% time
2018-05-17T16:36:29 < Haohmaru> Sagiftw you're not changing the "buff" pointer address, are you?
2018-05-17T16:36:32 < kakimir> when I want easy nice routing
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2018-05-17T16:44:13 < kakimir> that 10% time I'm like "sweet" then I run into issue with restricted functionality of the editor and press F9
2018-05-17T16:45:01 < Haohmaru> gimme an example
2018-05-17T16:45:15 < kakimir> well I just gave you 2hours back in #kicad
2018-05-17T16:45:23 < Haohmaru> the grid thing?
2018-05-17T16:45:27 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-17T16:45:39 < Haohmaru> why were you in high-contrast mode btw?
2018-05-17T16:46:12 < kakimir> remember to remove that too
2018-05-17T16:46:19 < kakimir> like.. no-one uses it
2018-05-17T16:47:18 < Haohmaru> le wat?
2018-05-17T16:47:38 < Haohmaru> i think you are not familiar with the tricks in pcbnew
2018-05-17T16:47:39 < kakimir> it's because I don't want to see a rainbow of colors when I try to pack the shit
2018-05-17T16:48:49 < kakimir> only stuff that matters
2018-05-17T16:49:27 < Haohmaru> high-contrast mode is the wrong thing to use then
2018-05-17T16:50:06 < Haohmaru> HC mode is for when you want to be touching/moving/editing elements just on this one layer
2018-05-17T16:50:19 < Haohmaru> for example, i think you cannot move footprints even
2018-05-17T16:50:40 < Haohmaru> you can route stuff and select copper stuff
2018-05-17T16:50:56 < Haohmaru> (if ur on a copper layer of course)
2018-05-17T16:51:12 < kakimir> I dont follow the rules
2018-05-17T16:52:01 < Haohmaru> when i import the netlist for the first time - i remove many of the "rainbow vomit" elements from the screen by switching them off from the Render tab
2018-05-17T16:52:19 < Haohmaru> then i can focus on moving footprints around and drawing tracks and sh*t
2018-05-17T16:52:32 < kakimir> that is what I expected you to say
2018-05-17T16:52:34 < Haohmaru> no HC mode here
2018-05-17T16:52:59 < kakimir> now make shortcuts for different sets of visibility settings and it's actually usable
2018-05-17T16:53:31 < kakimir> still switching to HC is faster
2018-05-17T16:53:52 < kakimir> it happens naturally
2018-05-17T16:54:37 < kakimir> quick peek into non-HC and back
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2018-05-17T16:55:24 < kakimir> also V
2018-05-17T16:55:27 < kakimir> in legacy
2018-05-17T16:55:32 < Laurenceb> muh babby
2018-05-17T16:55:37 < kakimir> whole the time I press V
2018-05-17T16:55:38 < Haohmaru> yes, i fully agree about that, and i think i've discussed the idea about "view" settings with shortcuts
2018-05-17T16:55:55 < Haohmaru> but HC mode is just the wrong thing to use, because it has a different use case
2018-05-17T16:55:59 < Haohmaru> it has side effects
2018-05-17T16:56:07 < kakimir> like what?
2018-05-17T16:56:23 < Haohmaru> like, iirc, you cannot move footprints
2018-05-17T16:56:46 < Haohmaru> hm, or you can (if you're on the copper) but only on the "right" side of the board
2018-05-17T16:57:05 < kakimir> thank god
2018-05-17T16:57:36 < kakimir> makes selecting piled shit easier
2018-05-17T16:57:58 < Haohmaru> for good or bad, the "rainbow vomit" cannot be avoided
2018-05-17T16:58:07 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-17T16:58:14 < kakimir> for overview of things
2018-05-17T16:58:16 < Haohmaru> i mean, i guess if you use more than 2 copper layers, you will *have* to turn HC mode off
2018-05-17T16:58:32 < Haohmaru> because it'd be hard to orient yourself among the grayness
2018-05-17T16:58:48 < kakimir> I have 4 - what is the problem.. there is no problem in legacy at least
2018-05-17T16:58:51 < kakimir> in opengl - yeah
2018-05-17T16:58:59 < kakimir> ctrl-b
2018-05-17T17:00:56 < Haohmaru> okay, i'm not gonna try to convince you anymore
2018-05-17T17:01:10 < Haohmaru> but if i was stuck in HC mode so often - i'd be annoyed too
2018-05-17T17:01:22 < Haohmaru> thankfully, i use HC mode only for certain tasks
2018-05-17T17:01:36 < kakimir> I use HC mode 97% of the time
2018-05-17T17:01:40 < Haohmaru> x_x
2018-05-17T17:01:45  * Haohmaru == ded
2018-05-17T17:01:57 < Haohmaru> i.. i can't..
2018-05-17T17:01:59 < Haohmaru> i can't even
2018-05-17T17:02:35 < Haohmaru> ur like using a feather to dig a hole in a prison cell
2018-05-17T17:02:43 < kakimir> I'm
2018-05-17T17:03:06 < englishman> lol irl at that echarge video
2018-05-17T17:03:12 < englishman> invest in a REAL business!!!
2018-05-17T17:04:04 < englishman> exponential growth curve with limitless potential!!!
2018-05-17T17:04:14 < englishman> invest now at buytokensnow.com
2018-05-17T17:04:21 < englishman> how the shit does anyone fall for these scams
2018-05-17T17:04:39 < kakimir> in what I do that feather is better than nothing
2018-05-17T17:07:38 < Haohmaru> u gon eventually tickle that wall till it cracks from the itch
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2018-05-17T17:08:37 < kakimir> when I use opengl mode everything feels like I need to do a tricks to do things I want to do
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2018-05-17T17:10:13 < Sagiftw> Haohmaru: I do not change the buffer's pointer
2018-05-17T17:10:36 < Sagiftw> Haohmaru: However, if I do switch between buffer pointers (buff1, buff2), its working fine
2018-05-17T17:10:41 < Sagiftw> it's*
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2018-05-17T17:31:08 < kakimir> are you looking at your HC view with fills on Haohmaru ?
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2018-05-17T17:35:24 < Haohmaru> depends what i'm doing
2018-05-17T17:35:31 < Haohmaru> * on
2018-05-17T17:36:23 < Haohmaru> the longest "continuous" time i spend in HC mode is at the end, when i'm finished with routing
2018-05-17T17:36:33 < Haohmaru> ..to position all the text
2018-05-17T17:36:51 < kakimir> I position everything in HC mode
2018-05-17T17:37:02 < kakimir> work with fills, work with traces
2018-05-17T17:37:09 < kakimir> position texts
2018-05-17T17:37:21 < Haohmaru> then i start with F.SilkS for example, i turn all Back layers off completely, turn fills ON of course, and start positionning the text
2018-05-17T17:37:38 < Haohmaru> then same thing for F.Fab, then the back side
2018-05-17T17:38:05 < Haohmaru> nah, when i'm positioning footprints and routing tracks, i'm not in HC mode
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2018-05-17T17:39:05 < Haohmaru> kakimir do you have some previous experience with other EDAs?
2018-05-17T17:39:15 < kakimir> eagle
2018-05-17T17:39:30 < Haohmaru> cuz, maybe that expeprience is the difference between you and me
2018-05-17T17:39:37 < Haohmaru> i started off with kicad 4
2018-05-17T17:39:47 < Haohmaru> so i don't have any previous "habbits" or "expectations"
2018-05-17T17:39:54 < srk> hehe, same :)
2018-05-17T17:40:17 < srk> and I find it pretty cool tool :)
2018-05-17T17:40:37 < Haohmaru> well, i can't believe how many PCBs i've "made" ;P~
2018-05-17T17:40:42 < srk> same!
2018-05-17T17:41:11 < Haohmaru> (how many of them have been actually fabbed, and how many of those have not exploded is another question)
2018-05-17T17:41:30 < Haohmaru> but all of them pass ERC and DRC ;P~
2018-05-17T17:41:30 < srk> I wish for better library managment and might even try to do something about that
2018-05-17T17:41:36 < srk> :D
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2018-05-17T17:48:06 < bitmask> ahh finally, all code is ported Keil -> TrueStudio, HAL->StdPeriph, C->C++
2018-05-17T17:48:17 < bitmask> much happier
2018-05-17T17:48:21 < karlp> hos' truestudio treating you?
2018-05-17T17:48:34 < bitmask> havent learned all the ins and outs yet but its pretty good
2018-05-17T17:48:37 < Haohmaru> mmm cpp
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2018-05-17T17:49:59 < mitrax> someone is gonna get warm congrats from dongs
2018-05-17T17:50:33 < bitmask> that word combination does not compute
2018-05-17T17:52:06 < Haohmaru> yeah, i also can't compute that sentence
2018-05-17T17:53:29 < bitmask> if (dongs && ("warm" || "congrats")) FATAL_ERROR_EXPLODE();
2018-05-17T17:56:03 < mitrax> yes i was being ironical :p the only thing he would approve is the HAL to StdPeriph switch
2018-05-17T17:57:04 < Haohmaru> i was looking how to avoid all of those IDEs and HALs and crap and just get C++ working
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2018-05-17T17:58:18 < bitmask> yea, id never used c++ w/ stm before and was happy it was so easy to get working with truestudio.  It might be just as easy in other ides but I was afraid to try and waste my time.
2018-05-17T17:58:23 < bitmask> its very nice to have
2018-05-17T17:59:31  * mitrax still uses good old visual studio 2008
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2018-05-17T18:03:50 < bitmask> how does the reset button on a stm32f4 disco board work? set up an interrupt and what register gets written or pin gets triggered that resets it
2018-05-17T18:04:47 < bitmask> I added a big red button to my case as an emergency stop and a stm reset is probably the best way
2018-05-17T18:04:48 < srk> wired to NRST pin
2018-05-17T18:04:53 < bitmask> ok thanks
2018-05-17T18:05:39 < srk> if you need to emergency stop timers there's also break input pin
2018-05-17T18:06:05 < srk> advanced timer not timers
2018-05-17T18:06:13 < bitmask> I think a full reset is good
2018-05-17T18:06:33 < bitmask> it wont reset the rpi so wifi will stay active thats good enough for me
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2018-05-17T18:07:26 < bitmask> the rest only takes a second to initialize
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2018-05-17T18:17:22 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYDhVcsXYK4
2018-05-17T18:18:13 < Laurenceb>  > his hobby is getting put in prison
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2018-05-17T18:21:43 < Laurenceb> I've seen everything now
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2018-05-17T18:39:25 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/3278a4a869/112828.jpeg
2018-05-17T18:43:31 < Laurenceb> shakking intensifies
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2018-05-17T18:44:53 < mitrax> shakking?
2018-05-17T18:45:17 < Laurenceb> >being this new
2018-05-17T18:46:11 < Laurenceb> tfw https://imgoat.com/uploads/3278a4a869/112832.jpg
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2018-05-17T18:47:56 < mitrax> i give up
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2018-05-17T18:50:13 < Laurenceb> wurk project, looking at shakking
2018-05-17T18:50:28 < Laurenceb> I completed an instrumented shit today
2018-05-17T18:50:31 < mitrax> what the fuck is "shakking"
2018-05-17T18:50:50 < Laurenceb> meme speak for when something shakes
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2018-05-17T18:51:44 < emeb> And you mind find yourself living in a shotgut shakk.
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2018-05-17T19:21:04 < jadew> https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/25/transgender-wrestler-mack-beggs-wins-texas-girls-title
2018-05-17T19:23:12 < Steffanx> Hi Laurencedew.
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2018-05-17T19:27:16 < jadew> I want to see a good movie
2018-05-17T19:27:42 < kakimir> try mediocre one
2018-05-17T19:28:05 < jadew> they're all out of those too
2018-05-17T19:28:19 < kakimir> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1693872/
2018-05-17T19:28:44 < jadew> is that a prequel to something else?
2018-05-17T19:28:44 < kakimir> have you played game red faction or red faction 2 somewhere after millenium?
2018-05-17T19:28:51 < jadew> no
2018-05-17T19:29:35 < kakimir> rebelion on mars colony
2018-05-17T19:31:08 < jadew> I'm gonna watch The Code
2018-05-17T19:31:16 < Laurenceb> incels on mars
2018-05-17T19:31:29 < gnom2> guys how to enable spi on orange pi
2018-05-17T19:31:58 < karlp> away troll
2018-05-17T19:34:16 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hRs--4_Of7aByDqPBFm05TJ0RI9v6VWp/view?usp=sharing washed my bike and under a layer of dirt
2018-05-17T19:35:30 < kakimir> most valuable thing(material) I own is that bike
2018-05-17T19:35:46 < kakimir> second is maybe my laptop
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2018-05-17T19:37:34 < jadew> kakimir, you don't have a PC?
2018-05-17T19:37:53 < jadew> test equipement?
2018-05-17T19:37:56 < jadew> *equipment
2018-05-17T19:37:56 < kakimir> I have but it has no value in money
2018-05-17T19:38:00 < kakimir> chinese or old
2018-05-17T19:38:28 < kakimir> like almost 10years old 2channel riggol
2018-05-17T19:38:29 < kakimir> rigol
2018-05-17T19:40:14 < bitmask> damnit, how did my dma break
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2018-05-17T19:41:36 < kakimir> thank god I don't fiddle with DMA
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2018-05-17T19:43:23 < bitmask> its great when it works, but getting it to work can be a pain
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2018-05-17T20:42:38 < bitmask> grrr, I still cant get it to work... I enable the dma and then code execution freezes even though the dma works correctly and the interrupt even triggers
2018-05-17T20:44:31 < Ultrasauce> where's PC when it 'freezes'?
2018-05-17T20:45:13 < bitmask> pc?
2018-05-17T20:46:29 < Ultrasauce> the program counter
2018-05-17T20:47:25 < bitmask> uhh
2018-05-17T20:50:02 < Ultrasauce> if i had to guess, there's another interrupt firing that you're not handling correctly
2018-05-17T20:51:34 < bitmask> pc is the dma irq handler
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2018-05-17T20:52:15 < Ultrasauce> are you clearing it?
2018-05-17T20:52:24 < bitmask> yes
2018-05-17T20:52:48 < bitmask> I clear it pending bit and disable the dma
2018-05-17T20:59:02 < bitmask> do you have to do anything special when using c++ other than extern "C" it?
2018-05-17T21:02:27 < Ultrasauce> are you invoking methods from the interrupt handler?
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2018-05-17T21:05:44 < mitrax> bitmask: no
2018-05-17T21:14:11 < mitrax> bitmask: on embedded systems when using C++ and gcc you usually compile with -fno-rtti and -fno-exceptions since you're unlikely to use runtime type info nor exceptions, but that's not related to your interrupt problem
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2018-05-17T21:35:49 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MoGmXVBp4g this deserves encore
2018-05-17T21:38:29 < bitmask> no im not, even if all I do is clear the IT bit it freezes there
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2018-05-17T21:56:04 < bitmask> This is the code that gets called when the processor receives an 
2018-05-17T21:56:04 < bitmask>  *         unexpected interrupt.  This simply enters an infinite loop, preserving
2018-05-17T21:56:06 < bitmask>  *         the system state for examination by a debugger.
2018-05-17T21:56:17 < bitmask> if I comment out the dma interrupt thats where it stops
2018-05-17T21:57:01 < bitmask> wtf is going on :(
2018-05-17T21:59:03 < Steffanx> figure out which interrupt is getting called/you're not handling
2018-05-17T22:02:59 < bitmask> well it runs if I dont enable the dma so it must be the dma it handler that I commented out, but I still dont know why it freezes there
2018-05-17T22:04:19 < bitmask> I must not be configuring it correctly i'll check it out
2018-05-17T22:04:44 < Steffanx> oh, i missed the part were you commented out the interrupt
2018-05-17T22:04:48 < Steffanx> handler
2018-05-17T22:05:02 < Steffanx> i dont see why you would do that at all
2018-05-17T22:10:40 < Laurenceb> digital self harm: where u troll urself
2018-05-17T22:11:10 < Laurenceb> https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/05e9991d-4713-4ad4-b9af-eecd47d7dfd7
2018-05-17T22:11:13 < Laurenceb> i cant even
2018-05-17T22:15:56 < kakimir> who sends themselfs messages anyway
2018-05-17T22:16:19 < kakimir> that's so fag
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2018-05-17T22:21:05 < upgrdman> some of the comments on my youtube videos really bring a smile to my face.
2018-05-17T22:21:08 < upgrdman> "Hi upgrdman...it is a wonderful video setting up a webserver in RPi. I need a clarification, whether a cluster of >25 RPi can work as a heavy duty  webserver for a medium size web application...say 50K users. The total performance will be 35Ghz with 25 GB RAM...I can add HDD/SDD for space. Please let me know"
2018-05-17T22:21:24 < upgrdman> wtf is wrong with people. lol.
2018-05-17T22:23:42 < antto> wow, such much giga hertz
2018-05-17T22:24:03 < upgrdman> inorite. just sum everything, that's how it works.
2018-05-17T22:24:23 < BrainDamage> giga hurts
2018-05-17T22:24:32 < antto> giga herds
2018-05-17T22:25:34 < antto> 5 jigawatts
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2018-05-17T22:34:31 < Steffanx> You got what you deserved. You added tarduinos bait in your youtube vid titles, upgrdman :P
2018-05-17T22:34:41 < upgrdman> mhmm
2018-05-17T22:34:56 < antto> --credibility;
2018-05-17T22:35:08 < antto> ++shame;
2018-05-17T22:35:19 < Steffanx> How was your day antto?
2018-05-17T22:35:39 < antto> vertical https://i.imgur.com/Nuu0tzi.png
2018-05-17T22:36:15 < BrainDamage> windows 98 SE?
2018-05-17T22:36:19 < antto> there's something ya don't see every day
2018-05-17T22:36:30 < antto> BrainDamage i wish it was
2018-05-17T22:36:40 < Steffanx> Ah so you ARE the hao guy. I wasnt sure, but now i am :P
2018-05-17T22:37:23 < mitrax> antto: what's that button that you masked at the bottom right of your task bar? :p
2018-05-17T22:37:31 < Steffanx> but what is it, windows 10 doesnt support that style does it?
2018-05-17T22:37:42 < antto> mitrax a supah-sikrit datasheet
2018-05-17T22:37:48 < antto> pdf viewer
2018-05-17T22:39:26 < antto> hm, or actually a "manual" .. whatever
2018-05-17T22:39:47 < antto> Steffanx hell no, win10 is teh cancer
2018-05-17T22:39:52 < Steffanx> I like  your 2k lines main.c
2018-05-17T22:39:54 < antto> this is win7 crap
2018-05-17T22:40:00 < Steffanx> pp
2018-05-17T22:40:31 < antto> you can tell by the resource monitor
2018-05-17T22:40:43 < Steffanx> it was that or windwos xp
2018-05-17T22:41:13 < antto> its purpose is to "stop" wuauserv.exe when it randomly decides to eat one cpu core for no good reason
2018-05-17T22:41:32 < antto> ..by injecting its dumb process into a random service
2018-05-17T22:41:56 < Steffanx> time to some pro scripting to auto-kill it
2018-05-17T22:42:01 < Steffanx> *for some
2018-05-17T22:42:15 < antto> i think this is microsoft's way to make most people "feel" that their win7 pc has gotten "slow" with age
2018-05-17T22:42:25 < mitrax> just disable the windows update service
2018-05-17T22:42:48 < Steffanx> but that he will fall in the hands of .bg hackers
2018-05-17T22:42:49 < antto> i think it's disabled
2018-05-17T22:42:55 < Steffanx> *then
2018-05-17T22:43:01 < Steffanx> damnit, i need some sleep.
2018-05-17T22:44:07 < antto> that did not stop it from "letting" GWX.EXE in
2018-05-17T22:44:42 < Steffanx> I like win 10 so far.
2018-05-17T22:44:48 < antto> "Do you want windows10 NOW or after 5 minutes?"
2018-05-17T22:44:54 < Steffanx> As in, it not being too bad.
2018-05-17T22:45:19 < mitrax> it's ok, except for explorer.exe which is more fucked up than ever, with each windows iteration they break things
2018-05-17T22:46:43 < Steffanx> Why mr mitrax? What's bad?
2018-05-17T22:47:22 < mitrax> sorting a folder with a few hundreds files sometimes takes up to 5 sec, or more, prior to build 1803 sometimes the view would be stuck in large icon mode with all the other view option grayed, lock up when choosing "open with", random crashes etc, and no i had no fishy shell extension installed
2018-05-17T22:48:27 < mitrax> updated to the last version, it *seems* to be ok now, but falls creator update was buggy as hell
2018-05-17T22:49:08 < Steffanx> I dont recognize those issues
2018-05-17T22:49:21 < Steffanx> But i hardly have a few 100 files in a folder
2018-05-17T22:49:34 < Steffanx> Except in my downloads folder perhaps
2018-05-17T22:49:40 < mitrax> and your porn folder
2018-05-17T22:53:33 < mitrax> there's also something buggy with the indexing service, it broke my outlook 2007 search, now it's piss slow when before it was instant 
2018-05-17T22:55:11 < mitrax> they provided a hotfix for outlook 2010, but nuthin for the 2007 version :( time to upgrade i guess
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2018-05-17T23:49:06 < bitmask> wtf man, now its working and I have no idea why
2018-05-17T23:51:08 < Steffanx> hah
2018-05-17T23:53:03 < stvn> You mate
2018-05-17T23:55:47 < stvn> This is why ppl lunix
2018-05-17T23:56:39 < stvn> I’ve been nig’d out by Microsoft too
2018-05-17T23:57:38 < stvn> Using windows 7 and msoft programs start chewing up system resources like a cracked hooker
2018-05-17T23:58:05 < bitmask> my hooker better be cracked, where else would my dick go
2018-05-17T23:58:45 < zyp> up your ass?
2018-05-17T23:59:08 < antto> stvn it's usually wuauserv.exe, even if it's consuming 0% cpu itself
2018-05-17T23:59:34 < antto> yet it's "running" and some <random> service is eating a whole cpu core
2018-05-17T23:59:53 < antto> stop wuauserv and things relax
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2018-05-18T00:00:07 < antto> untill some time later, when it wakes up again
2018-05-18T00:00:27 < stvn> Stop Microsoft and things relax
2018-05-18T00:00:53 < stvn> Or upgrade to winpros10
2018-05-18T00:01:41 < stvn> In my case that solved the problem I didn’t have for 5 years until the tainted ‘offering’
2018-05-18T00:02:29 < antto> just wait untill they put out win11
2018-05-18T00:02:55 < antto> then they'll enable this sort of crap for win10 to try to push you onto the new sh*t
2018-05-18T00:03:51 < stvn> The
2018-05-18T00:04:44 < stvn> Upgrade
2018-05-18T00:05:10 < stvn> Should I get 32gb wham to prepare?
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2018-05-18T00:07:14 < antto> ask cortana.exe
2018-05-18T00:07:52 < antto> hm, in win11 it's gonna be replaced by gorgona.exe
2018-05-18T00:10:06 < stvn> I gave up trying to remove it
2018-05-18T00:10:19 < antto> muhaha
2018-05-18T00:10:47 < stvn> I’m sure every 2 weeks there will be a new way
2018-05-18T00:10:58 < antto> of course
2018-05-18T00:11:10 < stvn> So much fun
2018-05-18T00:11:38 < antto> these new windowses, even win7 and probably vista (which are old by now) they can't be used for "work" IMO
2018-05-18T00:12:18 < antto> suppose you have to restart or shut it down for something, like, for changing the video card or something
2018-05-18T00:12:25 < stvn> 7 is happy work machine/s
2018-05-18T00:12:40 < stvn> There is one running XP offline
2018-05-18T00:12:44 < Steffanx> There wont be a windows 11 mr antto 
2018-05-18T00:12:47 < stvn> For ATE stuffs
2018-05-18T00:12:57 < antto> the thing suddenly decides "oh, you gonna shut me down? GREAT, THE PERFECT TIME FOR ME TO INSTALL SOME UPDATES, this will only take half an hour"
2018-05-18T00:13:05 < antto> so you sit there like a snot
2018-05-18T00:13:44 < Steffanx> A good reason to finally take that shower antto 
2018-05-18T00:13:53 < antto> shadap
2018-05-18T00:14:02 < Steffanx> Or some sunlight one the nakit skin
2018-05-18T00:14:32 < stvn> The day of Mac owner....
2018-05-18T00:14:44 < antto> sunlight on the skin? u mean free cancer
2018-05-18T00:14:49 < Steffanx> I heard stvn has an iphone
2018-05-18T00:14:57 < antto> booo
2018-05-18T00:15:01 < antto> --credibility;
2018-05-18T00:15:13 < stvn> Nah dong made me smash it
2018-05-18T00:15:24 < antto> ah, ++dong;
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2018-05-18T00:15:38 < antto> with a hammer?
2018-05-18T00:16:03 < stvn> With the great justice
2018-05-18T00:16:38 < Steffanx> Did you buy a new one?
2018-05-18T00:16:49 < stvn> A hammer?
2018-05-18T00:16:56 < antto> >:)
2018-05-18T00:17:12 < antto> one more hammer is never too many
2018-05-18T00:17:42 < antto> coz these f*cking iphones are spreading fast like rats
2018-05-18T00:17:58 < Steffanx> Gotta pump it up - Denzel
2018-05-18T00:18:00 < antto> smartphones in general even
2018-05-18T00:18:16 < Steffanx> *Danzel
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2018-05-18T00:19:07 < stvn> https://youtu.be/9rEVsUAMsQ0
2018-05-18T00:21:34 < Steffanx> M
2018-05-18T00:24:51 < kakimir> I found a new hobby
2018-05-18T00:24:58 < kakimir> karting
2018-05-18T00:25:17 < antto> kartimir
2018-05-18T00:25:27 < stvn> I thought you were gonna say LGBTI roller derby
2018-05-18T00:25:49 < BrainDamage> attach delta glider to kart to combine your hobbies
2018-05-18T00:25:59 < Cracki> did someone say IGBT?
2018-05-18T00:26:05 < BrainDamage> No.
2018-05-18T00:26:16 < kakimir> kartmir
2018-05-18T00:26:28 < kakimir> I didn't know how much fun driving a car can be
2018-05-18T00:26:38 < antto> kartimir sounds moar fluid
2018-05-18T00:26:48 < antto> like molten solder
2018-05-18T00:26:51 < kakimir> I'm fluid
2018-05-18T00:26:58 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpivB8z0gU0 take some musics
2018-05-18T00:27:13 < BrainDamage> driving any vehicle at the edge of wheel grip is pretty fun
2018-05-18T00:27:16 < kakimir> Traxx - Discovery
2018-05-18T00:27:17 < stvn> It’s not NWA
2018-05-18T00:27:26 < BrainDamage> even more so redlining the engine
2018-05-18T00:27:51 < kakimir> BrainDamage, as long as it has good power/weight ratio compared to track speed
2018-05-18T00:28:07 < Steffanx> Is kakimir the new Raikonen?
2018-05-18T00:28:10 < kakimir> no
2018-05-18T00:28:12 < kakimir> I lose
2018-05-18T00:28:16 < BrainDamage> kakkikonen
2018-05-18T00:28:16 < Steffanx> Or are you more a Botas?
2018-05-18T00:28:39 < BrainDamage> or maybe kekkonen
2018-05-18T00:28:41 < kakimir> I cannot become a f1 driver
2018-05-18T00:28:45 < kakimir> kekkonen is still possible
2018-05-18T00:28:46 < Steffanx> Awh.
2018-05-18T00:29:06 < BrainDamage> you need to start at child age if you want to enter the motorsport world
2018-05-18T00:29:20 < BrainDamage> aka have parents that support you through
2018-05-18T00:29:26 < Steffanx> Why some many last names end with "konnen" in finnish, mr kakikonnen?
2018-05-18T00:29:36 < stvn> That involves the ‘initiation’ BrainDamage
2018-05-18T00:29:58 < Steffanx> I mean "könen"
2018-05-18T00:30:02 < BrainDamage> is that an euphemism for child abuse or something equally filthy worthy of laurenceb?
2018-05-18T00:30:14 < stvn> Child abuse
2018-05-18T00:31:02 < antto> hm, is Laurenceb akchually MJ who faked his death?
2018-05-18T00:31:16 < stvn> Yes
2018-05-18T00:31:24 < Steffanx> No its your sister
2018-05-18T00:31:25  * antto makes 10 steps away from Laurenceb
2018-05-18T00:31:51 < kakimir> *nen
2018-05-18T00:31:56 < stvn> Laurenceb is a pro innovator in CRT technology
2018-05-18T00:32:10 < Steffanx> Pump the electrons
2018-05-18T00:32:16 < antto> CRT is nice
2018-05-18T00:32:26 < kakimir> also my body stucture is full grown man
2018-05-18T00:32:35 < stvn> Fingernails or something 0,o
2018-05-18T00:32:38 < Steffanx> CRT is a weirdo
2018-05-18T00:32:50 < kakimir> formula drivers are smallish
2018-05-18T00:32:53 < stvn> crt is a pumper
2018-05-18T00:33:08 < Steffanx>  Not all of them, kakimir 
2018-05-18T00:33:15 < antto> kakimir we can fix that
2018-05-18T00:33:27 < BrainDamage> i have a large wood saw
2018-05-18T00:33:28 < Steffanx> Käkïkönen
2018-05-18T00:33:44 < antto> let's .rar him
2018-05-18T00:33:52 < antto> kakimirkonen.rar
2018-05-18T00:34:03 < stvn> Na
2018-05-18T00:34:14 < antto> there ya go, now get in that car and win teh race
2018-05-18T00:34:19 < kakimir> https://www.auto123.com/en/racing-news/f1-height-and-weight-of-the-current-formula-1-drivers?artid=176733
2018-05-18T00:34:34 < stvn> Kakimir has good pro led stories and pics
2018-05-18T00:34:57 < BrainDamage> i fit those sizes fine
2018-05-18T00:35:18 < kakimir> I'm 182cm and 90kg
2018-05-18T00:35:19 < stvn> Stm32 racing team
2018-05-18T00:35:44 < Steffanx> Lol, your words BrainDamage 
2018-05-18T00:35:57 < stvn> Lets get funding from ST, I’ll forward it to Laurence our PR guy
2018-05-18T00:36:02 < Steffanx> I yet again i decided not to mention it :P
2018-05-18T00:36:18 < mitrax> kickstart!
2018-05-18T00:36:23 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: i think me having problems with it is more of your hallucination
2018-05-18T00:36:30 < stvn> lol
2018-05-18T00:36:50 < BrainDamage> it's not like i can magically change my height
2018-05-18T00:37:03 < kakimir> anyone here not overweight in weight index?
2018-05-18T00:37:04 < stvn> Being tall is annoying at times
2018-05-18T00:37:12 < Steffanx> Define tall
2018-05-18T00:37:19 < antto> i'm 60kg or less
2018-05-18T00:37:23 < stvn> And I’m barely 6’2
2018-05-18T00:37:24 < antto> probably less
2018-05-18T00:37:36 < Steffanx> How much is that in meters?
2018-05-18T00:37:45 < BrainDamage> kakimir: i have a 4-pack abs
2018-05-18T00:37:46 < kakimir> 187 or so
2018-05-18T00:38:05 < Steffanx> Hah, no hallucinations here BrainDamage.
2018-05-18T00:38:07 < kakimir> stvn, don't you guise have SI units there?
2018-05-18T00:38:23 < stvn> Whut
2018-05-18T00:38:29 < antto> smelly units
2018-05-18T00:38:30 < kakimir> straya
2018-05-18T00:38:38 < antto> feets, armpits
2018-05-18T00:38:38 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: what?
2018-05-18T00:38:56 < Steffanx> Yes, no.
2018-05-18T00:39:12 < kakimir> systeme international d'unites
2018-05-18T00:39:15 < BrainDamage> rectal sheep temperature units
2018-05-18T00:39:35 < stvn> I read ST units lol
2018-05-18T00:39:44 < stvn> More coffee?
2018-05-18T00:39:47 < antto> wash yer eye balls
2018-05-18T00:40:08 < antto> or 'o-o'
2018-05-18T00:40:18 < stvn> My slave is still at 7-11
2018-05-18T00:40:18 < Steffanx> 1.88m isnt that bad mr stvn 
2018-05-18T00:40:38 < Steffanx> +1cm
2018-05-18T00:41:17 < kakimir> you need to move to steffanland to fit in
2018-05-18T00:41:22 < Steffanx> Did tct buy your your keyboard yet, BrainDamage ?
2018-05-18T00:41:33 < Steffanx> -your
2018-05-18T00:41:35 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3Si8De11/oh_hi.JPG
2018-05-18T00:41:47 < BrainDamage> considering it's not manifactured since years, i doubt so
2018-05-18T00:41:54 < Steffanx> That guy reminds me of someone.
2018-05-18T00:42:02 < BrainDamage> stvn is tanned?
2018-05-18T00:42:15 < Steffanx> Steven is a nigger name.
2018-05-18T00:42:34 < stvn> Yeah
2018-05-18T00:42:44 < Steffanx> STEVEN is in Django Unchained.
2018-05-18T00:43:00 < Steffanx> In Candyland.
2018-05-18T00:43:23 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/39VSuQV7/bike.JPG
2018-05-18T00:43:30 < stvn> This lives here now
2018-05-18T00:43:35 < Steffanx> Isnt that your fav movie stvn?
2018-05-18T00:44:01 < stvn> Nah my fave is reservoir dogs
2018-05-18T00:45:02 < Steffanx> Anyway, give the poor lad a ##stm32 shirt
2018-05-18T00:45:24 < stvn> And a gun + alcohol
2018-05-18T00:45:33 < Steffanx> No just a shirt
2018-05-18T00:45:43 < antto> gun.. alcohol.. something is missing
2018-05-18T00:45:45 < BrainDamage> give him a sword
2018-05-18T00:45:46 < antto> oh yeah, a bible
2018-05-18T00:45:48 < BrainDamage> not gun
2018-05-18T00:45:58 < mitrax> stvn: he seems to be sleeping well... considering the surroundings
2018-05-18T00:45:59 < BrainDamage> it's funnier if you see him chasing people
2018-05-18T00:46:04 < stvn> I’m having difficulties obtaining an AR-15 for him
2018-05-18T00:46:12 < stvn> It’s a sweet little gun
2018-05-18T00:46:21 < BrainDamage> also that way you have a chance to run
2018-05-18T00:47:28 < stvn> Lol
2018-05-18T00:47:43 < Steffanx> Stvns fat arse isnt made to run
2018-05-18T00:47:55 < Steffanx> With
2018-05-18T00:48:48 < antto> how about buttwalk
2018-05-18T00:48:54 < stvn> A challenger appears
2018-05-18T00:49:11 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OnZ05dEk/lol.JPG
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2018-05-18T00:49:39 < BrainDamage> get a ##stm32 tattoo
2018-05-18T00:50:01 < Steffanx> Its just the first in line to get that new iphone stvn. Stop judging 
2018-05-18T00:50:56 < stvn> You make a good point
2018-05-18T00:51:40 < Steffanx> Ty
2018-05-18T00:51:42 < antto> enough unnovation for today
2018-05-18T00:51:53 < Steffanx> Today is almost over
2018-05-18T00:52:10 < BrainDamage> my squiggly lines work
2018-05-18T00:52:35 < Steffanx> "work". ?
2018-05-18T00:52:46 < BrainDamage> work.
2018-05-18T00:52:56 < antto> 3 of my boards will be finally sent to pcbfab, tomorrow, eventually pff
2018-05-18T00:53:01 < antto> hope they don't explode
2018-05-18T00:53:02 < Steffanx> Are you doing a tattoo?
2018-05-18T00:54:11 < BrainDamage> https://imgur.com/a/xfS9oqb
2018-05-18T00:54:15 < BrainDamage> work
2018-05-18T00:54:22 < Steffanx> And then.. xmega time antto?
2018-05-18T00:54:23 < stvn> Tattoos were invented for the death camp
2018-05-18T00:54:36 < antto> Steffanx two of them have xmegas
2018-05-18T00:54:48 < antto> the third one is brainless pile of relays and crap
2018-05-18T00:54:56 < kakimir> stvn, are you going to murdered that homeless person?
2018-05-18T00:55:09 < Steffanx> BrainDamage, pro Laurenceb style work.
2018-05-18T00:55:26 < stvn> Is that a heartbeat or something
2018-05-18T00:55:31 < BrainDamage> at least my plots don't look like shit
2018-05-18T00:55:34 < BrainDamage> yes it is
2018-05-18T00:56:53 < BrainDamage> this is the pile of shit before filtering https://imgur.com/a/gTx7Teb
2018-05-18T00:57:27 < BrainDamage> granted, I'm literally fapping while holding a dcdc in the other hand
2018-05-18T00:57:48 < stvn> Cool
2018-05-18T00:59:23 < Steffanx> Ty
2018-05-18T01:00:26 < BrainDamage> after some dsp majic https://imgur.com/a/mmIZ0FP
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2018-05-18T01:01:46 < Steffanx> This isnt methlab right?
2018-05-18T01:01:50 < Steffanx> Python?
2018-05-18T01:01:56 < BrainDamage> ofc not, it actually looks decent
2018-05-18T01:02:11 < Steffanx> + the plot lib
2018-05-18T01:02:16 < BrainDamage> yes, python, to trigger dawngs
2018-05-18T01:03:14 < stvn> I think it’s pretty
2018-05-18T01:03:27 < Steffanx> Oh lol. Had to think a bit about what "dawngs" meant
2018-05-18T01:04:07 < stvn> The kernel
2018-05-18T01:04:16 < mitrax> BrainDamage: ECG?
2018-05-18T01:04:18 < BrainDamage> yes
2018-05-18T01:04:29 < stvn> He is the human manifestation of Linux
2018-05-18T01:04:32 < BrainDamage> 2 lead precordial torax ECG
2018-05-18T01:05:57 < mitrax> neat
2018-05-18T01:06:17 < BrainDamage> muscle noise is a pain in the ass
2018-05-18T01:06:20 < stvn> I wonder if similar tech can analyse cat purring
2018-05-18T01:06:30 < mitrax> yeah remember LaurenceB had the same problem
2018-05-18T01:07:06 < mitrax> with his horse thing
2018-05-18T01:07:12 < stvn> :)
2018-05-18T01:07:33 < BrainDamage> i actually came up with something that works pretty decently https://imgur.com/a/GdX7gKJ
2018-05-18T01:07:34 < stvn> My imagination is taking a twisted journey
2018-05-18T01:07:55 < mitrax> stvn: your picturing LaurenceB's "horse thing" ? 
2018-05-18T01:07:58 < mitrax> err. you're
2018-05-18T01:08:01 < stvn> Yes
2018-05-18T01:08:04 < BrainDamage> please don't summon him
2018-05-18T01:08:14 < BrainDamage> there's times where i can't even see the signal on the original wave and the algo somehow digs it out from the shit
2018-05-18T01:08:17 < BrainDamage> like in the pic
2018-05-18T01:08:34 < mitrax> BrainDamage: yeah it seems to be working very well
2018-05-18T01:09:07 < mitrax> BrainDamage: what kind of filtering are you doing?
2018-05-18T01:09:35 < BrainDamage> sorry, not saying
2018-05-18T01:09:59 < BrainDamage> not until I get that fucking patent approved
2018-05-18T01:10:08 < stvn> I do remember a discussion about filtering the other day ;)
2018-05-18T01:10:09 < mitrax> ahah ok
2018-05-18T01:10:42 < stvn> Gangsack filter
2018-05-18T01:10:55 < BrainDamage> scrotum sack filter
2018-05-18T01:11:07 < stvn> SSF
2018-05-18T01:11:20 < stvn> Registered trademark
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2018-05-18T01:20:03 < mitrax> bed time
2018-05-18T01:20:12 < mitrax> SteffanX: for you too!
2018-05-18T01:20:29 < stvn> Ty
2018-05-18T01:20:37 < stvn> o/
2018-05-18T01:20:46 < mitrax> night
2018-05-18T01:22:14 < stvn> What is the time in BrainDamage land?
2018-05-18T01:22:58 < mitrax> 00h22
2018-05-18T01:23:06 < stvn> The perfect time for innovation
2018-05-18T01:25:25 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/SiTCKu6V/IMG_0489.JPG
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2018-05-18T01:32:38 < stvn> Ready?
2018-05-18T01:40:13 < Laurenceb_> ready to shake the babby
2018-05-18T01:40:50 < BrainDamage> stop trying to shake it mechanically
2018-05-18T01:40:58 < Rajko> DONT SHAKE THE BABY
2018-05-18T01:41:10 < BrainDamage> just attach 2 alligator clips to the nipples and apply a nice current
2018-05-18T01:41:19 < BrainDamage> it'll shake itself
2018-05-18T01:41:24 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: its funny cuz we had a rage mode meeting about just that
2018-05-18T01:41:33 < Laurenceb_> to use shakker or wambulance to shake the babby
2018-05-18T01:42:06 < Laurenceb_> everything about this project is full retard
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2018-05-18T01:45:12 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/3278a4a869/112828.jpeg
2018-05-18T01:45:33 < Laurenceb_> wambulance is instrumented
2018-05-18T01:46:17 < Laurenceb_> muh usb hub
2018-05-18T01:46:44 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: ur making an ECG?
2018-05-18T01:47:20 < BrainDamage> oh noes, it begins
2018-05-18T01:47:50 < Laurenceb_> wut begins?
2018-05-18T01:47:51 < BrainDamage> I can't wait when you'll tell me how you can do it 10x better
2018-05-18T01:48:01 < Laurenceb_> kek
2018-05-18T01:48:21 < Laurenceb_> tbh I just used that overpriced AD thingy
2018-05-18T01:48:48 < Laurenceb_> muh codez are on github
2018-05-18T01:48:48 < BrainDamage> wait the better part, it HAS to run over bluetooth
2018-05-18T01:49:03 < Laurenceb_> heh that actually works
2018-05-18T01:49:16 < Laurenceb_> Qt bluetooth is the one good set of Qt drivers
2018-05-18T01:49:19 < BrainDamage> it's running BLE
2018-05-18T01:49:28 < BrainDamage> I'm using a python lib, works fine
2018-05-18T01:49:38 < Laurenceb_> ok
2018-05-18T01:49:56 < BrainDamage> currently just doing a 2 lead measurement
2018-05-18T01:50:08 < BrainDamage> eventually I'll upgrade to full precordial setup
2018-05-18T01:50:17 < BrainDamage> mostly to cancel the leftover muscle noise
2018-05-18T01:50:22 < Laurenceb_> iirk horse thingy had max 9 leads
2018-05-18T01:50:40 < Laurenceb_> but I never got round to trying much noise cancelling stuff
2018-05-18T01:50:48 < Laurenceb_> it looked very tricky
2018-05-18T01:51:01 < Laurenceb_> horse heart is surrounded by tons of muscle
2018-05-18T01:51:04 < BrainDamage> I've actually got that part down fairly well
2018-05-18T01:51:41 < BrainDamage> but this is no time to do hw changes atm
2018-05-18T01:52:08 < Laurenceb_> using opamp/instrumentation amp front end?
2018-05-18T01:52:24 < BrainDamage> yeah
2018-05-18T01:52:51 < BrainDamage> I'll use a proper ECG chip and setup later, I just wanted a proof of concept
2018-05-18T01:53:02 < Laurenceb_> tbh the only advantage of that ECG chip is the lead off detect is quite nice
2018-05-18T01:53:11 < BrainDamage> literally working in my spare time every now & then
2018-05-18T01:53:17 < Laurenceb_> once you spend ages writing a driver and some DSP to fix the lead off bugs
2018-05-18T01:53:35 < Laurenceb_> by which time you could have designed it from scratch...
2018-05-18T01:55:18 < Laurenceb_> iirc it wasnt designed to do lead off detect at runtime
2018-05-18T01:55:25 < Thorn> lcsc inductor section is broken. parametric filter does not work
2018-05-18T01:55:28 < Laurenceb_> i.e. while its actually recording
2018-05-18T01:55:45 < BrainDamage> what's the fucking point then
2018-05-18T01:55:58 < Laurenceb_> ikr
2018-05-18T01:56:19 < Laurenceb_> managed to fix it with some nasty haxoring and filtering running on the stm
2018-05-18T01:57:03 < Laurenceb_> then shoved everything into wav file on the logger / binary protocol over bluetooth
2018-05-18T01:57:53 < Laurenceb_> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Equine/blob/master/Sensors/ads1298.c
2018-05-18T02:02:20 < Laurenceb_> top scret info: these guys use it http://www.monicahealthcare.com/
2018-05-18T02:02:48 < Laurenceb_> http://www.monicahealthcare.com/Monica_Healthcare/media/Monica/Products/monica-novii-wireless-fetal-monitor-waterproof-wet-pod-800x800.png?ext=.png
2018-05-18T02:03:02 < Laurenceb_> everything else about that thing is a disaster zone lol
2018-05-18T02:03:19 < BrainDamage> fatal healthcare
2018-05-18T02:03:33 < Laurenceb_> >where we're going we dont need cables... or polyamide FFC
2018-05-18T02:03:57 < Laurenceb_> >250µm PET bottle material laser cut and in skin contact ftw
2018-05-18T02:04:32 < Laurenceb_> with failure prone screen printed "conductive" ink
2018-05-18T02:05:01 < Laurenceb_> but inside the box is F4 + ads1298 + bluetooth module
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2018-05-18T02:07:13 < Laurenceb_> >lets use the most unreliable technique from cheap china tronics in a highly demanding medical sensor application
2018-05-18T02:11:37 < Laurenceb_> iirc the gel pads dissolved the conductive ink, but they sold it to GE to gigabux anyway
2018-05-18T02:11:57 < Laurenceb_> Juicero tier :D
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2018-05-18T02:22:52 < emeb> Laurenceb_: so cynical. so jaded.
2018-05-18T02:24:17 < emeb> Laurenceb_: what kind of power & how is that managed?
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2018-05-18T02:51:43 < Laurenceb_> emeb: it uses lipo with magnetic connectors
2018-05-18T02:51:48 < Laurenceb_> charging station
2018-05-18T02:52:15 < Laurenceb_> some sort of overengineered charge management ic, I didnt work on that part
2018-05-18T02:55:58 < emeb> Fun
2018-05-18T02:56:23 < emeb> I've been fooling around with an L4xx in a battery operated application.
2018-05-18T02:56:55 < emeb> running @ 8MHz sysclk and powering itself down into stop mode 2 when it's not in use
2018-05-18T02:57:14 < emeb> should be able to run off of 2 AAA batteries for months.
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2018-05-18T03:06:38 < Laurenceb_> that ECG does loads of onboard processing
2018-05-18T03:07:32 < Laurenceb_> top secret DSP to isolate foetal trace and calculate the foetal heartrate stats
2018-05-18T03:26:07 < branjb> laurel or yanni
2018-05-18T03:28:51 < englishman> branjl banni
2018-05-18T03:29:22 < englishman> is that some facebook thing
2018-05-18T03:30:38 < branjb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM38OFDKU20
2018-05-18T03:31:31 < englishman> trolls
2018-05-18T03:31:52 < branjb> sounds like laurel to me
2018-05-18T03:32:18 < englishman> someone left a fucking rabbit on the farm
2018-05-18T03:32:24 < englishman> fucking assholes
2018-05-18T03:32:40 < branjb> englishman do you use bCNC?
2018-05-18T03:32:46 < englishman> no, lunixcnc
2018-05-18T03:32:51 < branjb> o
2018-05-18T03:32:57 < englishman> probably a reall old version too
2018-05-18T03:33:04 < englishman> installed it and never touched it
2018-05-18T03:33:16 < branjb> eh production routers/mills still run on win 98 and mach3
2018-05-18T03:33:42 < branjb> if it works don't fix it?
2018-05-18T03:34:25 < englishman> right
2018-05-18T03:34:28 < englishman> god people are fucked up
2018-05-18T03:34:32 < englishman> just throw away your animals
2018-05-18T03:38:56 < Thorn> do I need pullups/downs on nSS and reset pins of stuff like radio ICs and displays? 
2018-05-18T03:40:16 < Thorn> I hope they aren't going to start transmitting like mad when the mcu is not programmed for example lol
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2018-05-18T03:43:49 < englishman> depends how much you like undefined pin states
2018-05-18T03:44:01 < branjb> they make life fun
2018-05-18T03:44:05 < Thorn> the layout is cramped already
2018-05-18T03:44:41 < Thorn> both of them actually 
2018-05-18T03:46:43 < englishman> isnt this a prototype
2018-05-18T03:47:08 < Laurenceb_> emeb_mac: tldr, battery life is kind of poor due to ads1298 being power hungry and all the dsp on the f4
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2018-05-18T03:47:19 < Laurenceb_> about 10 hours battery life
2018-05-18T03:47:58 < Laurenceb_> Thorn: µSD cards often dont like missing pullups on power up
2018-05-18T03:53:03 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb_: ya - was thinking an F4 running full-tilt would probably not be particularly power-efficient.
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2018-05-18T04:03:28 < bitmask> finally got axis homing implemented
2018-05-18T04:05:39 < bitmask> now I gotta get SPI working
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2018-05-18T04:07:57 < Thorn> >Pin 7 (NRESET) should be left floating during the POR sequence.
2018-05-18T04:08:06 < Thorn> so much for pullups lol
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2018-05-18T04:29:13 < dongs> what garbage IC is that
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2018-05-18T04:39:46 < Thorn> dongs: SX1276
2018-05-18T04:41:29 < R0b0t1``> Oh yeah I was just reading about those
2018-05-18T04:41:35 < R0b0t1``> I think they get integrated into Allwinner parts
2018-05-18T04:41:49 < R0b0t1``> Well, not LoRa
2018-05-18T04:41:54 < R0b0t1``> Same company but WiFi
2018-05-18T04:42:04 < R0b0t1``> Nice
2018-05-18T04:44:31 < dongs> oh lora trash
2018-05-18T04:49:02 < dongs> Thorn: oh, FSK, GFSK, MSK, GMSK, LoRa and OOK modulation
2018-05-18T04:49:11 < dongs> so basically you can use it as a generic fsk/etc stuff too?
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2018-05-18T04:54:04 < Thorn> dongs: I may have tried all that tasty stuff already if I finished this pcb earlier :/
2018-05-18T04:54:26 < dongs> did you use it cuz its in china?
2018-05-18T04:54:58 < Thorn> it is THE lora chip (other than those microchip mcus with builtin semtech stuff) 
2018-05-18T04:55:20 < Thorn> and I mainly want to do lora
2018-05-18T04:56:15 < dongs> On the SX1276/77/78, the implementation of the IBM-compatible whitening/de-whitening algorithm is erroneous,
2018-05-18T04:56:18 < dongs> which makes it incompatible with the standard implementation. 
2018-05-18T04:56:19 < dongs> racist algorithms??
2018-05-18T04:58:04 < Thorn> altium disaster
2018-05-18T04:58:13 < Thorn> in schermatics, you need to select a component to rotate it. in pcb, you need to hold the mouse button
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2018-05-18T05:00:44 < dongs> is data whitening same shit as energy dispersal
2018-05-18T05:00:50 < dongs> ive never actualy herad this whitening term
2018-05-18T05:01:09 < dongs> when they run data and xor it with prng
2018-05-18T05:01:17 < dongs> to make sure tehre arent long sequences of same bit
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2018-05-18T05:01:36 < Thorn> like in 100base-t ethernet
2018-05-18T05:08:36 < dongs> isnt 100baset manchester or someshit
2018-05-18T05:11:18 < dongs> hm apparently its MLT-3 with 4b5b encoding from a dictionary. thats different from just XOR'ing wiht a prng
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2018-05-18T05:42:10 < englishman> >Pin 7 (NRESET) should be left floating during the POR sequence.
2018-05-18T05:42:11 < englishman> wtf
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2018-05-18T05:43:18 < englishman> that select-to-rotate in sch is new i would like the old method
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2018-05-18T05:49:12 < nn7> I'm looking for someone to help me write some PID code for am stm32
2018-05-18T05:49:39 < nn7> or maybe a better way to state is that I'm looking to hire someone to write PID code (with filters) for an STM32
2018-05-18T05:49:43 < dongs> how much do you have in your paypal account
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2018-05-18T05:49:52 < nn7> dongs, a bit
2018-05-18T05:50:09 < dongs> plenty of people here who could do it then
2018-05-18T05:50:29 < nn7> wonderful
2018-05-18T05:51:11 < aandrew> nn7: why not just do it on your own?
2018-05-18T05:51:45 < nn7> aandrew, my experience with the STM32 hasn't been great. I gave up and went back to AVRs.
2018-05-18T05:51:58 < nn7> I also need this done right, and soon, and I have other things on my plate.
2018-05-18T05:52:11 < nn7> If I had the time, I'd be up for the challenge, but I have more money than time.
2018-05-18T05:52:18 < dongs> > went back to avrs
2018-05-18T05:52:22 < dongs> le wut
2018-05-18T05:52:35 < englishman> the pid part has nothing to do with the stm32 part tho
2018-05-18T05:52:45 < nn7> dongs, after following multiple tutorials on trying to set up a toolkit and whatnot, I gave up
2018-05-18T05:52:54 < aandrew> nn7: how come your experience hasn't been great?
2018-05-18T05:52:55 < nn7> englishman, it does of the PID is running on the stm32
2018-05-18T05:53:06 < dongs> nn7: what mcu
2018-05-18T05:53:10 < dongs> i mean, waht series stm
2018-05-18T05:53:25 < nn7> I think I had an f4 and an f0.
2018-05-18T05:53:28 < dongs> f0/1/2/3/4/wawhtever
2018-05-18T05:53:35 < nn7> Eventually just gave away the hardware.
2018-05-18T05:53:44 < dongs> youre off to a good start.
2018-05-18T05:53:51 < nn7> ha, yeah
2018-05-18T05:54:07 < aandrew> stm32 has been one of the better systems I've worked on, and I"ve worked on practically everything
2018-05-18T05:54:20 < dongs> < nn7> dongs, after following multiple tutorials on trying to set up a toolkit and whatnot
2018-05-18T05:54:24 < dongs> were you trying to do it in LUNIX
2018-05-18T05:54:29 < dongs> cuz thats usually where the problem starts
2018-05-18T05:54:33 < nn7> windows
2018-05-18T05:54:44 < nn7> I think I kept finding obsolete tutorials
2018-05-18T05:55:10 < aandrew> possible
2018-05-18T05:55:30 < aandrew> stm32 did go through a few library/system changes
2018-05-18T05:55:44 < aandrew> I keep finding stdperiph shit that is irrelavent unless you're interested in the theory
2018-05-18T05:56:01 < aandrew> dongs likes his keil garbage, I just use the hal and a makefile
2018-05-18T05:56:02 < nn7> multiple dead-ends
2018-05-18T05:56:22 < aandrew> anyway I could certainly do it but I also have the -ENOTIME error code
2018-05-18T05:56:43 < nn7> I'll probably need to set something up so I can tweak the code once someone writes it
2018-05-18T05:56:56 < nn7> aandrew, what would it take to make me a priority?
2018-05-18T05:57:02 < nn7> aandrew, and what country are you in?
2018-05-18T05:57:59 < aandrew> nn7: I really don't have available cycles, sorry. I have three fulltime contracts on the go at present and a bit of a waiting list for more fun stuff
2018-05-18T05:58:04 < aandrew> I'm in Canada
2018-05-18T05:58:22 < nn7> bummer
2018-05-18T05:58:58 < aandrew> if I wasn't so busy I'd be happy to take a look at it, but I don't want to commit to a task I know I can't reasonably finish
2018-05-18T05:59:16 < dongs> whats the overall project
2018-05-18T05:59:22 < dongs> is it something boring
2018-05-18T05:59:27 < dongs> cuz "pid on stm32" sounds a bit open-ended
2018-05-18T06:00:33 < nn7> I need to take input from a serial absolute encoder, and velocities from a PC, and drive a brushed motor.
2018-05-18T06:01:14 < nn7> it's a temperamental system that probably needs multiple 1st and 2nd order notch filters
2018-05-18T06:01:45 < aandrew> that doesn't sound like something that's just PID and done
2018-05-18T06:02:00 < nn7> I've been trying to control it with a Galil DMC but it's just not cutting it.
2018-05-18T06:02:51 < aandrew> I see sampling, filtering, PID tuning (which would be a bit of a pain), possibly some cheating on the PID depending on the system itself, ... then if you're not doing the motor control after it that's done
2018-05-18T06:03:31 < aandrew> between coming up to speed (heh), requirements documents, implementationa nd tuning I bet that's at least 3 weeks of work
2018-05-18T06:03:44 < nn7> yeah
2018-05-18T06:04:21 < nn7> but it would take *me* a lot longer than that
2018-05-18T06:05:18 < branjb> isn't there a site you can pay indians pennies to code for you?
2018-05-18T06:05:23 < aandrew> oh god
2018-05-18T06:05:26 < dongs> freecancer
2018-05-18T06:05:27 < branjb> lol
2018-05-18T06:05:34 < aandrew> that would turn this into a 9 week project and you STILL wouldn't get what you want
2018-05-18T06:05:38 < dongs> haha
2018-05-18T06:05:44 < branjb> but it would make for a good story
2018-05-18T06:05:49 < aandrew> dongs: you know it's true
2018-05-18T06:05:57 < dongs> 9 months more like but yeah
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2018-05-18T06:06:38 < nn7> gah, lost my connection
2018-05-18T06:07:19 < aandrew> nn7: for fun, sign up there, post your original sentence as the ONLY information when requesting bids. You will get no less than 50 responses in 24h, with at least 12 of them saying they can do what you want in 3 days for INR5000. Meanwhile they have no idea what you're doing, what the inputs and outputs are or how fast you need updates... only that you want PID on STM32.
2018-05-18T06:07:44 < dongs> but i have 10 yaers experience with PID On STM32
2018-05-18T06:08:07 < nn7> sorry, I missed the past few minutes of things people posted
2018-05-18T06:08:12 < dongs> literally they will take your <subject> add "I hav x yeras exprience with <subject>" and reply
2018-05-18T06:08:54 < aandrew> nn7: branjb suggested posting your request to freelancer.com
2018-05-18T06:09:03 < nn7> ack no
2018-05-18T06:09:21 < aandrew> I said for shits and giggles sign up there and post it but nothing more than "I need someone to implement a PID control on STM32" and wait for the responses to come in
2018-05-18T06:09:35 < aandrew> before that i said that's a quick way to take a 3 week project and turn it into a 9 week one
2018-05-18T06:09:43 < aandrew> and dongs corrected me by saying "9 month"
2018-05-18T06:11:35 < dongs> R2COM is another STM32 PID pro
2018-05-18T06:11:45 < dongs> currently trolling cypress semi to death
2018-05-18T06:11:58 < aandrew> I think cypress is trolling him
2018-05-18T06:12:04 < dongs> thats possible
2018-05-18T06:12:30 < aandrew> cypress trolls all their customers
2018-05-18T06:12:48 < nn7> R2COM, is this true?
2018-05-18T06:15:43 < nn7> feel like taking on a complex project?
2018-05-18T06:16:39 < nn7> haha
2018-05-18T06:16:43 < nn7> what country are you in?
2018-05-18T06:16:59 < nn7> Italy?
2018-05-18T06:17:03 < englishman> denmark
2018-05-18T06:18:26 < nn7> R2COM, can I message you privately?
2018-05-18T06:18:28 < englishman> aandrew, this one project used to have $18 of cypress parts on it, now it has $0
2018-05-18T06:18:48 < dongs> haha
2018-05-18T06:21:12 < nn7> R2COM, I'm not sure how much you've kept up. I'm looking for someone to write some code that will take encoder position and velocity and do some PID with notch filters
2018-05-18T06:25:57 < nn7> I'm under a bit of pressure time-wise. I have some general idea of the tuning parameters that will be needed.
2018-05-18T06:26:54 < nn7> I envision building some hardware, sending it out to you to play with, and maybe flying you out for some field config and testing.
2018-05-18T06:27:20 < rajkosto> ANYONE KNOW HOW TO TAME LD LINKER SCRIPTS
2018-05-18T06:28:21 < dongs> I'm in japan and I'm tired of  this retarded kickstarter, so I'm ok with flying out to USA to do some PID work :)
2018-05-18T06:28:51 < dongs> rajkosto yes use keil
2018-05-18T06:29:01 < rajkosto> does KEIL support AARCH64 ?!
2018-05-18T06:29:19 < nn7> I read that as "does KEIL support AAARGGHH"
2018-05-18T06:29:22 < dongs> what retarded shit is that, thats not even STM32
2018-05-18T06:29:27 < rajkosto> exactly
2018-05-18T06:29:30 < rajkosto> stm32 is too old and weka now
2018-05-18T06:29:33 < rajkosto> throw that shit into the trash
2018-05-18T06:29:42 < rajkosto> also keil is literally the worst IDE
2018-05-18T06:30:14 < dongs> really now
2018-05-18T06:30:30 < rajkosto> its like msvc6 level crap
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2018-05-18T06:33:44 < englishman> you mean before ALLCAPS vstudio
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2018-05-18T06:34:41 < englishman> so an avr-primary company is looking for mcu devs on irc to fly out for a few days of programming
2018-05-18T06:34:44 < nn7> R2COM, did I lose you?
2018-05-18T06:35:07 < nn7> englishman, not exactly
2018-05-18T06:35:33 < nn7> englishman, more like, an engineer with AVR experience is looking for a way to solve a problem that he doesn't think an AVR can handle
2018-05-18T06:35:59 < nn7> englishman, and they can do the programming wherever they want
2018-05-18T06:36:26 < stvn> It’s fucked!!
2018-05-18T06:36:31 < englishman> idk, if you want to get up and running on stm32, get an f0 board, download free keil and stm32cube, start clicking
2018-05-18T06:37:14 < nn7> englishman, I suspect I could probably do it with enough time, but I'd much rather hire someone who knows what they're doing.
2018-05-18T06:37:43 < nn7> *sigh*
2018-05-18T06:37:50 < nn7> I guess this isn't the right place to ask. :)
2018-05-18T06:37:56 < englishman> well yes and no
2018-05-18T06:38:08 < englishman> as usual, the good ones are all employed and busy
2018-05-18T06:38:11 < nn7> why download keil when I can just code an IDE myself.
2018-05-18T06:38:17 < englishman> yes right
2018-05-18T06:41:11 < dongs> the lunix way
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2018-05-18T06:43:31 < rajkosto> so nobody knows linker scripts quirks
2018-05-18T06:58:46 < stvn> Lol
2018-05-18T06:59:22 < stvn> not downloading keil...
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2018-05-18T07:04:28 < dongs> worst decision of 2018
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2018-05-18T07:20:48 < nn7> ..... no
2018-05-18T07:20:56 < nn7> well, I hope you have fun doing it
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2018-05-18T07:31:07 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/software-architecture/EMV-CHIP-CLONE-COPY-Writer/ haha
2018-05-18T07:33:30 < nn7> R2COM, I would pay you, of course
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2018-05-18T07:48:03 < Streaker> in blowjobs
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2018-05-18T08:02:50 < dongs> Hi! 
2018-05-18T08:02:51 < dongs> I am a Computer Engineer. I am an expert on Arduino. I can do your project. Please message me further details.
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2018-05-18T08:23:02 < Streaker> you forgot to say "needful"
2018-05-18T08:38:45 < dongs> new trolls
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2018-05-18T08:52:45 < Thorn> so mcp16301t needs a diode on its boost capacitor but aoz1282ci does not, why
2018-05-18T08:55:55 < jpa-> mcp16301t has ability to take boost voltage from the already stepped down output, aoz1282 always takes it with linear regulator from VIN
2018-05-18T08:56:10 < jpa-> maybe that is how the MCP part gets 96% and AOZ only 95% :P
2018-05-18T08:56:54 < Thorn> builtin linear regulator I hope?
2018-05-18T08:57:23 < jpa-> sure, BST LDO in block diagram on page 4
2018-05-18T08:57:46 < Thorn> cool thanks
2018-05-18T08:59:08 < jpa-> the MCP part looks to have many pages worth of different ways to provide boost supply.. not sure why they'd bother
2018-05-18T09:00:24 < jpa-> the MCP part also seems to have internal LDO and the text on page 13 kind of suggests that for input voltages above 5.5V it doesn't need external diode
2018-05-18T09:01:14 < jpa-> but that is not quite clear
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2018-05-18T10:09:18 < stvn> Sniff
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2018-05-18T10:16:22 < mitrax> stvn: what's wrong?
2018-05-18T10:17:07 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/yzc6TWZn/idk.gif
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2018-05-18T10:20:11 < mitrax> alright
2018-05-18T10:24:37 < stvn> Sup
2018-05-18T10:26:46 < mitrax> not much
2018-05-18T10:29:09 < stvn> Same
2018-05-18T10:29:30 < stvn> Assessing cloned
2018-05-18T10:29:34 < stvn> Clones
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2018-05-18T10:31:43 < jpa-> https://twitter.com/LiquidHbox/status/997176012113838080    after listening to this enough times my brain broke and now i only hear "brain needle"
2018-05-18T10:32:44 < stvn> It’s probably what they say
2018-05-18T10:35:35 < stvn> What on earth is that
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2018-05-18T10:38:12 < dongs> fucking twatter shit
2018-05-18T10:42:42 < dongs> is ther a way to check if sldprt is from a pirated solidcocks install?
2018-05-18T10:45:02 < stvn> Good luck
2018-05-18T10:46:07 < mitrax> jpa-: have you heard anything else before?
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2018-05-18T10:46:26 < stvn> I still have no idea what that thing is
2018-05-18T10:47:08 < mitrax> jpa-: i always hear brain needle, but maybe because of what you wrote
2018-05-18T10:47:48 < mitrax> sure brain / green sound similar but needle / storm no way
2018-05-18T10:50:51 < mitrax> stvn: it's just a toy playing a shitty quality sound sample
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2018-05-18T10:51:10 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZerUbHmuY04
2018-05-18T10:51:10 < stvn> Oh
2018-05-18T10:53:12 < mitrax> stvn: the point is when it's hard to deciphers words your brain fills in the missing part with whatever is available, be it visual cue, context / suggestion of what you might be hearing etc, on that particular video i don't think what you see has any influence on what you hear, contrary to the mcgurk effect
2018-05-18T10:53:48 < stvn> Oh god not that blue or white dress shit again
2018-05-18T10:55:05 < mitrax> jadew: i love crows, they're damn smart
2018-05-18T10:56:05 < jadew> mitrax, yeah, that's impressive
2018-05-18T10:56:22 < jadew> I wonder if you can have a crow as a pet
2018-05-18T10:56:26 < mitrax> sure
2018-05-18T10:56:30 < dongs> they kinda smell
2018-05-18T10:56:30 < jadew> I'd have to kill all the cats around my building tho
2018-05-18T10:56:40 < mitrax> or well.. you'd better have a dedicated room
2018-05-18T10:56:49 < mitrax> cause they'll shit everywhere
2018-05-18T10:57:09 < jadew> seeing how smart that one is, I bet I can train it to use the toilet
2018-05-18T10:57:11 < jadew> and flush
2018-05-18T10:58:02 < jpa-> mitrax: yeah, and i was able to hear brainstorm again a few minutes later
2018-05-18T10:58:12 < jpa-> i think brain needle is the trigger that breaks your brain
2018-05-18T10:58:13 < jadew> I could hear all 3
2018-05-18T10:58:24 < jadew> and go back easily
2018-05-18T10:58:27 < mitrax> jadew: a friend had rescued a baby one, and had it for maybe 6 months, it removed a good quarter of the wallpaper in the room it was in
2018-05-18T10:58:35 < mitrax> meh :( i couldn't, i'll try later
2018-05-18T10:59:43 < jadew> you can also hear the gibberish if you pay attention
2018-05-18T10:59:54 < jadew> you can sort of make out what it's saying
2018-05-18T10:59:56 < jadew> it's nothing
2018-05-18T11:00:18 < mitrax> ooooh
2018-05-18T11:00:21 < mitrax> fuck
2018-05-18T11:00:26 < mitrax> i hear brainstorm now
2018-05-18T11:00:52 < jadew> how about green stool
2018-05-18T11:01:19 < mitrax> yeah that also, ahahah 
2018-05-18T11:04:11 < jadew> https://youtu.be/AfsnHVaScjg?t=46
2018-05-18T11:04:11 < mitrax> there's gotta be a pause in between listenings to reset the brain or something, i definitely can't switch on the fly
2018-05-18T11:04:27 < jadew> are you a native english speaker?
2018-05-18T11:04:43 < mitrax> nope
2018-05-18T11:04:45 < jadew> must have to do with what sounds our brain is trained to hear
2018-05-18T11:04:48 < jadew> me neither...
2018-05-18T11:04:59 < mitrax> but if i stop playback, think of the word, then listens, it works
2018-05-18T11:05:05 < jadew> thought you were, that might have explained it
2018-05-18T11:06:33 < mitrax> yeah works everytime now, but i have to pronounce the word in my head first, then press play
2018-05-18T11:21:50 < stvn> That’s one way to spend your Friday night
2018-05-18T11:30:34 < mitrax> :)
2018-05-18T11:34:38 < kakimir> anyone knows in microcontrollers generally what happens under power on reset threshold voltage?
2018-05-18T11:34:57 < kakimir> can chip do weird shiet?
2018-05-18T11:35:23 < Haohmaru> pics can
2018-05-18T11:35:30 < kakimir> I'm looking into it from perspective where I don't want my micro do weird shit and pull current
2018-05-18T11:35:40 < zyp> well, normally power on reset asserts and keeps the chip from doing weird shit
2018-05-18T11:35:42 < Haohmaru> like, i think, randomly jumping PC
2018-05-18T11:37:06 < Haohmaru> i'd call it "unproper reset"
2018-05-18T11:37:38 < kakimir> I'm more interested about that power consumption side of things
2018-05-18T11:38:03 < kakimir> let the micro do weird shit but if it consumes power it's fukken
2018-05-18T11:38:21 < stvn> Lolwut
2018-05-18T11:38:33 < stvn> Sounded Aussie as there mate
2018-05-18T11:38:33 < zyp> what stvn said
2018-05-18T11:38:42 < dongs> https://topcoder23.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/ron_cv_programmering-malmo-2014-08-18-h10m00.pdf
2018-05-18T11:39:00 < kakimir> what I do I will boot micro with button and series resistor driving LDO en with VIN
2018-05-18T11:39:01 < Haohmaru> well, in xmega datasheet it says that if you keep the chip in reset, the GPIOs turn into "inputs" in HI-Z state
2018-05-18T11:39:23 < kakimir> that en pin is also connected directly to micro for it to clamp excess voltage 6V abs max for en
2018-05-18T11:39:38 < Haohmaru> so for those which happen to be floating, it recommends to use an external pull resistor (even tho you can enable pull up/down resistors via software)
2018-05-18T11:39:48 < Haohmaru> ..to prevent weird things from happening
2018-05-18T11:40:17 < kakimir> then the micro can keep itself running by driving that EN pin
2018-05-18T11:41:00 < kakimir> and when there is reset in micro the pin goes Hi-Z and voltage divider paraller to boot resistor pulls down EN pin
2018-05-18T11:41:08 < kakimir> so EN threshold is 0.9volts
2018-05-18T11:41:12 < dongs> < dongs> https://topcoder23.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/ron_cv_programmering-malmo-2014-08-18-h10m00.pdf < kikemir's resume
2018-05-18T11:42:06 < kakimir> my resume has nothing on it
2018-05-18T11:42:07 < kakimir> nothing
2018-05-18T11:42:28 < Haohmaru> Lorem ipsum
2018-05-18T11:44:48 < kakimir> I don't think I'll ever do a resume
2018-05-18T11:45:27 < zyp> be happy if you don't have to
2018-05-18T11:46:53 < kakimir> fuck it I'll just measure the current in grey region
2018-05-18T11:48:02 < kakimir> time to boot up keysight
2018-05-18T11:48:17 < kakimir> fancymeter
2018-05-18T11:51:34 < kakimir> goes under microamps no probs
2018-05-18T12:03:05 < kakimir> somewhere between 2-5microamps @0.7volts
2018-05-18T12:04:49 < kakimir> okay 22microamps @ 0.9V and 33microamps @ 1volts
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2018-05-18T12:25:06 < dongs> zyp, do you have a superleet way to do ascii hex>byte array like you did with printf crap["ABCD" or whaever thing before
2018-05-18T12:25:34 < dongs> no it was "01234ABCD"[i] or something
2018-05-18T12:27:07 < Thorn> char const c = d < 10 ? d + '0' : d - 10 + 'A';
2018-05-18T12:27:24 < dongs> yeah thats what i thought
2018-05-18T12:28:27 < dongs> buffer[i / 2] = ((a < '9' ? a - '0' : a - 'a' + 10) << 4) + (b < '9' ? b - '0' : b - 'a' + 10); from pakioverflow
2018-05-18T12:28:44 < dongs> its reverse of yours but same concept
2018-05-18T12:29:47 < zyp> you want <= '9', not < '9'
2018-05-18T12:31:06 < Haohmaru> how about lower-case letters? ;P~
2018-05-18T12:31:22 < dongs> ill toupper the shit first.
2018-05-18T12:32:00 < Haohmaru> u cheatz0r
2018-05-18T12:32:25 < zyp> if you're using libc shit, can't you just use strtol() or something?
2018-05-18T12:33:03 < dongs> no cuz i cant specify end with strtoull
2018-05-18T12:33:13 < dongs> its a sequence like aabbccddee....<etc
2018-05-18T12:33:30 < dongs> i'd rather slurp it up as bytes
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2018-05-18T12:36:34 < dongs> i bet topper is gonna bring in a bunch of shit for ascii/encoding garbage
2018-05-18T12:37:10 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/jyfxb
2018-05-18T12:38:15 < dongs> bracing myself for some c++14 fuckery
2018-05-18T12:38:25 < dongs> oh
2018-05-18T12:38:37 < dongs> well.. yeah...
2018-05-18T12:38:40 < dongs> should I just roll with that? heh
2018-05-18T12:39:03 < dongs> fine. im laready using strtoull in other shit so... k
2018-05-18T12:39:13 < zyp> in terms of amount of code, I don't think you can beat it
2018-05-18T12:39:38 < zyp> code size doesn't matter if you're already pulling in strtoul elsewhere
2018-05-18T12:39:51 < dongs> right
2018-05-18T12:39:56 < zyp> then it's just a question of performance, which probably doesn't matter
2018-05-18T12:40:58 < dongs> newp
2018-05-18T12:41:01 < dongs> its just 16 hex bytes
2018-05-18T12:41:05 < dongs> and doesnt matter.
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2018-05-18T12:45:49 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/6OIwg <- I think this is the best I can do without external deps, that can handle both upper/lowercase
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2018-05-18T12:47:55  * Haohmaru puts on his umbrella
2018-05-18T12:48:44 < karlp> ~I don't get the s[0] & 0xf?
2018-05-18T12:49:05 < dongs> it strips lower 4 bits from the ascii to lowercase it i think
2018-05-18T12:49:05 < karlp> oh, 
2018-05-18T12:49:05 < zyp> '0' & 0xf is 0, both 'a' & 0xf and 'A' & 0xf is 1
2018-05-18T12:49:08 < karlp> no you're tricky
2018-05-18T12:49:09 < dongs> yeah
2018-05-18T12:49:24 < karlp> ascii has even more tricks in it than I thought.
2018-05-18T12:49:30 < dongs> err, no it strips the high bits.
2018-05-18T12:49:59 < Haohmaru> * mass confooz accomplished
2018-05-18T12:50:22 < dongs> no thats actually a great hack
2018-05-18T12:50:34 < dongs> wouln't work in EBCDIC or someshit but who cares
2018-05-18T12:50:37 < Haohmaru> does it really have to be written as one line? ;P~
2018-05-18T12:50:46 < Haohmaru> (unless you want to paste it on irc)
2018-05-18T12:50:48 < dongs> thats why its not
2018-05-18T12:51:19 < dongs> i like that the non-libc version doesnt needt o allocate 3 bygtes of stack for the temp buffer
2018-05-18T12:51:37 < zyp> just realized it probably needs another set of braces around the bitshift
2018-05-18T12:52:22 < zyp> karlp, I've been code golfing before ;)
2018-05-18T12:53:07 < karlp> yeah, it shows :)
2018-05-18T12:53:31 < karlp> I'm not entirely convinced it's always worthwhile, but horses and courses and all that.
2018-05-18T12:54:24 < zyp> hehe
2018-05-18T12:55:16 < karlp> I would have used strotul and not even considered looking further :)
2018-05-18T12:56:36 < zyp> I probably would have used the blah ? x - '0' : x - 'a' pattern and forgotten about upper/lower case being an issue until it got back to bite me later
2018-05-18T12:59:24 < dongs> zyp, i compiled and ran a test 0..256
2018-05-18T12:59:27 < dongs> no issues without ()
2018-05-18T13:00:15 < zyp> could do something like x < 'A' ? x < 'a' ? x - '0' : x - 'a' : x - 'A' to handle both, but I don't really think that's much more readable than mine, with a comment about what's going on
2018-05-18T13:01:18 < dongs> i think masking the top bits is way cleverer
2018-05-18T13:01:24 < dongs> than a mess of ternary shit
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2018-05-18T13:11:07 < zyp> on this 3d printer shit, I have ADC sampling the thermistors in continous mode, and then I have a PID controller running at 10 Hz
2018-05-18T13:11:51 < zyp> I need some sort of filtering of the thermistor signals, how much effort is worth putting into that?
2018-05-18T13:12:02 < dongs> better ask nn7
2018-05-18T13:12:10 < day> sigh
2018-05-18T13:12:27 < dongs> zyp, in my bldc shite i would do a windowed running average on adc dma complete
2018-05-18T13:12:49 < zyp> yeah, that's the simple straightforward solution
2018-05-18T13:13:16 < dongs> whether  you actually NEED to or not is another story
2018-05-18T13:13:24 < dongs> can't you just set sampling speed real slow
2018-05-18T13:13:37 < zyp> so I'm wondering if I should do that and just call it a day, or implement a more generic FIR or IIR filter with configurable taps
2018-05-18T13:17:00 < zyp> I remember from my signal theory in uni that a windowed running average is just a badly tuned FIR filter
2018-05-18T13:18:44 < zyp> but then I also remember from the fpga project in uni that I did the semester before signal theory that the windowed running average I implemented for that project performed excellently :p
2018-05-18T13:23:21 < dongs> i dont think you need that much filtering over adc
2018-05-18T13:23:25 < dongs> i mean, it worked great in bldc
2018-05-18T13:23:28 < dongs> and thats a noisy as fuck setup
2018-05-18T13:23:39 < dongs> youre just doing some thermistors for what, hotbed and shit?
2018-05-18T13:23:44 < dongs> not even close on the noise levels
2018-05-18T13:24:27 < zyp> yeah, I mainly just need to get the noise down so the D-term of the PID controller gets useful
2018-05-18T13:25:02 < Haohmaru> avg is poor ;P~
2018-05-18T13:25:26 < zyp> yeah, but it's super simple to implement
2018-05-18T13:25:40 < Haohmaru> sure
2018-05-18T13:26:12 < zyp> ringbuffer of values, accumulator, add value to accumulator when it enters the buffer, subtract value from accumulator when it falls out of the buffer
2018-05-18T13:26:29 < zyp> divide accumulator by buffer length to get average
2018-05-18T13:28:00 < zyp> vs a FIR filter where you have to read out multiple taps from the buffer and multiply them with individual factors when doing a reading
2018-05-18T13:28:29 < zyp> and if the filter is fed from an ISR there's concurrency conserns
2018-05-18T13:29:06 < zyp> reading the accumulator of a moving average is atomic
2018-05-18T13:31:57 < Haohmaru> i'm more a fan of iir
2018-05-18T13:37:48 < jpa-> zyp: to make PID D-term work well, you should have a long enough averaging window to get good enough resolution.. and you might want some median or trimmed average filtering if your thermistor wires run close to stepper wires
2018-05-18T13:39:40 < jpa-> i used 3-sample median filter + a long average filter when i had trouble with smoothie years back
2018-05-18T13:42:34 < zyp> jpa-, before or after translating adc samples into temperature?
2018-05-18T13:44:52 < Haohmaru> where's your noise you're trying to filter?
2018-05-18T13:50:18 < jpa-> zyp: i did before, but with floats so that there is enough accuracy
2018-05-18T13:50:51 < jpa-> basically you'd want D term * quantization step to be at most 1 PWM step or so
2018-05-18T13:51:24 < zyp> I'm running floats throughout
2018-05-18T13:52:07 < karlp> do the good old x1 * 0.96
2018-05-18T13:52:12 < karlp> single order iir lowpass.
2018-05-18T13:52:21 < zyp> I've considered that too
2018-05-18T13:53:35 < karlp> it's actualyl simpler than an a moving average anyway.
2018-05-18T13:53:50 < zyp> yeah, but is it better?
2018-05-18T13:54:05 < jpa-> no, because noise in the most recent samples gets through quite heavily
2018-05-18T13:54:15 < jpa-> but it works, if the weight is low enough
2018-05-18T13:54:47 < Haohmaru> if you mean a 1st order iir lowpass, then it's 6dB
2018-05-18T13:54:58 < Haohmaru> but pls don't use constants like 0.96
2018-05-18T13:55:32 < karlp> jpa-: newest is most right! it's _meant_ to be heavier ;)
2018-05-18T13:55:39 < Haohmaru> exp(-2*pi*(fc/fs))
2018-05-18T13:55:48 < jpa-> CIC filter is also computationally cheap and is better than 1st order IIR and AFAIK also better than moving average also
2018-05-18T13:59:41 < jpa-> Haohmaru: fc is quite meaningless for a filter with such a slow roll-off as 1st order IIR
2018-05-18T14:00:13 < jpa-> i just use   1 - 1/windowlen
2018-05-18T14:00:27 < Haohmaru> 0.96 is much more meaningless
2018-05-18T14:00:44 < jpa-> nah, it is easy to see that newest sample contributes 4%
2018-05-18T14:01:02 < jpa-> i.e. it reduces random noise to 4% of original
2018-05-18T14:01:23 < Haohmaru> why is everybody arguing with me today?!
2018-05-18T14:01:27 < zyp> haha
2018-05-18T14:01:48 < Haohmaru> have the planets lined up somehow?
2018-05-18T14:01:49 < jpa-> https://dsp.stackexchange.com/questions/34969/cutoff-frequency-of-a-first-order-recursive-filter   also that exp() formula is a crappy approximation anyway
2018-05-18T14:01:59 < jpa-> Haohmaru: you are on ##stm32, that's why
2018-05-18T14:05:36 < kakimir> what small zener package to use?
2018-05-18T14:07:28 < jpa-> if there was an answer to that question, there would only be a single small zener package
2018-05-18T14:08:01 < kakimir> I mean I try to find micromelfs but
2018-05-18T14:08:18 < kakimir> there seems to be pretty much few to none per voltage I desire
2018-05-18T14:08:29 < kakimir> and I don't know why
2018-05-18T14:08:33 < jpa-> are you now replacing your 2W linear reg with 10W zener reg?
2018-05-18T14:08:37 < kakimir> no
2018-05-18T14:09:27 < zyp> jpa-, I'm reading that "A CIC filter is an efficient implementation of a moving-average filter. To see this, consider how a moving average filter can be implemented recursively by adding the newest sample {\displaystyle x[n]} x[n] to the previous result {\displaystyle y[n-1]} y[n-1] and subtracting the oldest sample."
2018-05-18T14:09:38 < zyp> so how do they differ?
2018-05-18T14:10:38 < kakimir> jpa-, I need the zener to take less than 100microamps
2018-05-18T14:10:58 < kakimir> just keep the voltage around 5volts max
2018-05-18T14:12:21 < jpa-> zyp: CIC filter is recursive, so it is basically repeated box average filter that becomes closer and closer to gaussian FIR filter
2018-05-18T14:12:50 < jpa-> and it also decimates the input sample rate to reduce the required amount of memory
2018-05-18T14:13:50 < zyp> ah
2018-05-18T14:14:04 < zyp> https://m.eet.com/media/1042110/0504feat1fig2_lg.gif
2018-05-18T14:15:01 < zyp> so one stage of a CIC equals a running average, but not after adding more stages?
2018-05-18T14:17:16 < jpa-> yeah,   moving_average = integrate + comb     and if you do     moving_average + moving_average + moving_average    it is quite close to gaussian filter already but 3x computational need; but then CIC rearranges that as    integrate + integrate + integrate + comb + comb + comb      which is more efficient
2018-05-18T14:17:33 < zyp> makes sense
2018-05-18T14:17:53 < jpa-> you can see the difference if you e.g. take a impulse signal and filter it once, twice, three times etc. by moving average filter
2018-05-18T14:18:44 < jpa-> main problem with simple moving average is that it has quite high stop band peaks
2018-05-18T14:20:41 < jpa-> https://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/rbf/HIPR2/gsmooth.htm    there is a nice graph under "Guidelines for Use"
2018-05-18T14:41:46 < zyp> jpa-, do you have experience autotuning PIDs also?
2018-05-18T14:42:24 < Laurenceb> wtf am i reading
2018-05-18T14:42:34 < Laurenceb> muh P.I.D. filter in visual basic
2018-05-18T14:46:19 < Laurenceb> I cant even right now
2018-05-18T14:46:54 < zyp> Laurenceb, sup?
2018-05-18T14:47:04 < Laurenceb>  nn7 in scrollback
2018-05-18T14:47:08 < Laurenceb> surely a troll
2018-05-18T14:49:05 < Laurenceb> pid is one line of c
2018-05-18T14:49:42 < zyp> well, duh
2018-05-18T14:50:03 < zyp> pid itself is super easy, the challenge is tuning it and feeding it non-garbage data
2018-05-18T14:53:40 < srk> hehe, this :D
2018-05-18T14:55:34 < srk> wrote one recently for controlling diy reflow oven. nice thing is that you can tune PID variables over CANOpen 
2018-05-18T14:56:15 < srk> or vary these depending on temperature as well
2018-05-18T14:57:59 < zyp> I can set and monitor stuff over USB
2018-05-18T14:59:06 < zyp> I wrote a script yesterday that attempts to find the pid gains with the Cohen-Coon method, but I'm not sure I really understood what I were doing :p
2018-05-18T15:00:18 < karlp> spin out/ sspin in.
2018-05-18T15:00:20 < karlp> http://www.eenewseurope.com/news/2013-spin-red-pitaya-returns-instrumentation-technologies?news_id=105989
2018-05-18T15:00:27 < karlp> I wonder how much the founders pocketed.
2018-05-18T15:01:13 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/OIEV3.png <- end result ended up overshooting quite a bit, not sure whether it's because the gains I calculated are wrong or because the D-term is useless due to noise
2018-05-18T15:06:15 < Laurenceb> wtf is that background
2018-05-18T15:06:23 < Laurenceb> looks reddit tier
2018-05-18T15:07:23 < jpa-> zyp: no, not really.. i've tried some simple autotuning algorithms sometime but they never seemed to work very well for me
2018-05-18T15:08:23 < zyp> Laurenceb, octoprint
2018-05-18T15:08:35 < Laurenceb> jpa-: in my experience autotuning does work
2018-05-18T15:08:44 < Laurenceb> but produces very suboptimal results
2018-05-18T15:10:12 < zyp> in my experience, whatever my old 3d printer did to autotune itself worked nicely, so it can't be all that impossible
2018-05-18T15:10:49 < Laurenceb> depends on the situation
2018-05-18T15:11:05 < Laurenceb> simple stuff autotunes better than complex stuff
2018-05-18T15:11:14 < Laurenceb> my arm pressure with autotune was useless
2018-05-18T15:11:17 < zyp> weird
2018-05-18T15:11:25 < Laurenceb> about 1 second to press/release
2018-05-18T15:11:30 < zyp> can't imagine why simple stuff is easier than complex stuff
2018-05-18T15:11:31 < Laurenceb> optimal control was <10ms
2018-05-18T15:12:01 < Laurenceb> temperature control is usually pretty "simple" i.e. linearish
2018-05-18T15:13:16 < zyp> yeah, except heating and cooling isn't symmetric
2018-05-18T15:13:52 < zyp> this shit heats a lot faster than it cools
2018-05-18T15:14:23 < zyp> should get more even at higher temps though
2018-05-18T15:14:45 < Haohmaru> ur heating it too fast
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2018-05-18T15:22:11 < nn7> I'm looking to hire someone to write some PID code with notch filters for an STM32.
2018-05-18T15:22:30 < mitrax> ahah
2018-05-18T15:22:31 < Haohmaru> you come just at the right time
2018-05-18T15:24:01 < Laurenceb> wtf
2018-05-18T15:24:07 < Laurenceb> surely a troll
2018-05-18T15:24:31 < nn7> ?
2018-05-18T15:24:58 < mitrax> nn7: there was a PID discussion going on right before you arrived
2018-05-18T15:25:27 < nn7> oh? any good conclusions?
2018-05-18T15:25:57 < zyp> read the logs, ref. link in topic
2018-05-18T15:27:00 < Thorn> to access channel logs google 'stm32 dongs'
2018-05-18T15:27:17 < jpa-> zyp is clearly the guy you want
2018-05-18T15:27:39 < zyp> haha
2018-05-18T15:27:55 < mitrax> he will even do it for free!
2018-05-18T15:29:46 < nn7> I need professional help
2018-05-18T15:29:47 < Steffanx> Who triggered nn7?
2018-05-18T15:29:50 < nn7> in more ways than one
2018-05-18T15:30:08 < Steffanx> Dongs mentioned nn7 hours ago
2018-05-18T15:30:35 < jpa-> yeah, he was here in the morning trying to hire R2COM to provide some "professional services"
2018-05-18T15:30:50 < Steffanx> Ah. 
2018-05-18T15:31:02 < zyp> I missed all of that, only got the reference now that he showed up again
2018-05-18T15:31:16 < Steffanx> Hi nn7
2018-05-18T15:31:25 < nn7> howdy
2018-05-18T15:31:49 < Thorn> is this ethernet layout going to work https://i.imgur.com/mB7ga1r.png
2018-05-18T15:31:58 < jpa-> 100M?
2018-05-18T15:31:59 < Thorn> gnd pours shelved
2018-05-18T15:32:04 < Thorn> 100base-t
2018-05-18T15:32:46 < jpa-> seems reasonable, 100M isn't very demanding anyway
2018-05-18T15:33:11 < zyp> don't see any reason why it wouldn't
2018-05-18T15:33:26 < PaulFertser> If you follow the PHY manufacturer advice.
2018-05-18T15:33:29 < jpa-> hmm, is this 2-layer board?
2018-05-18T15:33:44 < jpa-> the gnd may be a bit gappy
2018-05-18T15:34:20 < Thorn> bottom side https://i.imgur.com/FYKzdJr.png
2018-05-18T15:34:39 < Thorn> it's 2 layers, mfr advises 4 layers
2018-05-18T15:34:56 < jpa-> i'd try to break the blue horizontal traces somewhere so that gnd could get through to the chip at the top
2018-05-18T15:35:11 < zyp> you might want to stretch vdda_phy to the right a bit so you could get vias on both side of it
2018-05-18T15:35:44 < PaulFertser> I've seen 100M not working due to some silly mistakes clearly misconnecting signals. But other than that, it seems to be quite tolerant to routing and other implementation details.
2018-05-18T15:36:17 < jpa-> Thorn: hmm.. maybe route a gnd trace from the cpu to the PHY to provide return path for the signals, considering your gnd plane is quite sparse
2018-05-18T15:36:27 < Thorn> breaking traces is unlikely but maybe I can stitch gnd with vias around them
2018-05-18T15:36:37 < jpa-> that works also
2018-05-18T15:36:41 < zyp> I've spent days debugging 100M not working due to assemblyhouse fucking up and mounting 49.9k for termination instead of 49.9R
2018-05-18T15:36:56 < zyp> but that was not a layout issue :)
2018-05-18T15:37:05 < karlp> yeah, Id on't think you're going to be able to fuck up 100M enough in layout without really trying.
2018-05-18T15:37:12 < jpa-> if i don't have a gnd plane, i usually try to route gnd like i route the rest of the signals, and only add a gnd pour as an extra
2018-05-18T15:37:47 < zyp> is that really beneficial?
2018-05-18T15:38:03 < karlp> it's all just handwavy anyway right?
2018-05-18T15:38:20 < zyp> my 2L technique is treating bottom as a ground plane and try to cut in it as little as possible
2018-05-18T15:38:36 < jpa-> yeah, that works if you can actually cut it very little
2018-05-18T15:39:08 < jpa-> but if the both layers are really needed for signals, seems that treating GND like a signal should give reasonable return paths
2018-05-18T15:39:33 < zyp> are you treating every signal as differential then?
2018-05-18T15:39:35 < zyp> :p
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2018-05-18T15:39:53 < jpa-> more like one gnd for each bus between two chips :P
2018-05-18T15:40:28 < jpa-> not as good as real ground plane, but not as bad as just letting ground pours route gnd through strange loops
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2018-05-18T15:41:19 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/NjEyT.JPG <- I make shit looking like this
2018-05-18T15:42:26 < zyp> nfc board is even cuter, but I don't have any pics of the bottom of that here
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2018-05-18T15:44:18 < jpa-> http://essentialscrap.com/eink/pcb.jpg   second trace below L1 is an example of what it looks like to route gnd among signals
2018-05-18T15:45:33 < zyp> makes sense
2018-05-18T15:50:03 < Thorn> yeah the trace between L1 pads in my 1st screenshot is gnd
2018-05-18T15:50:38 < Thorn> (the pour actually makes it thicker)
2018-05-18T15:51:04 < Thorn> providing return path for the output loop of the buck
2018-05-18T15:51:09 < Thorn> or something lol
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2018-05-18T15:52:59 < nn7> any recommendations for companies that can do PID coding on an stm32?
2018-05-18T15:53:24 < Haohmaru> there was this website.. freelancer.something
2018-05-18T15:53:35 < dekar> jpa-, cute board, what is it for? Some sort of USB analyser? The tag-connect without clips seems a bit inconvenient for debugging, though.
2018-05-18T15:53:37 < nn7> no, I need something that works
2018-05-18T15:53:38 < jpa-> for money or for peanuts?
2018-05-18T15:53:48 < nn7> money
2018-05-18T15:53:51 < jpa-> dekar: you're talking to zyp
2018-05-18T15:53:54 < karlp> dekar: that's zyps board.
2018-05-18T15:53:58 < jpa-> nn7: 80e/h?
2018-05-18T15:54:13 < karlp> iirc it was usb to rs485, abusing usb connector
2018-05-18T15:54:29 < dekar> zyp, Oh, right :)
2018-05-18T15:54:33 < nn7> jpa-, which unit is e ?
2018-05-18T15:54:41 < karlp> or, €
2018-05-18T15:55:01 < jpa-> EUR
2018-05-18T15:55:04 < nn7> oh
2018-05-18T15:55:09 < nn7> yeah, that's perfectly reasonable
2018-05-18T15:55:10 < zyp> dekar, what karlp said
2018-05-18T15:55:33 < jpa-> nn7: you can always hire me :P   https://www.devembedded.com/
2018-05-18T15:56:15 < nn7> I'm guessing that you're not a US citizen
2018-05-18T15:56:33 < jpa-> no, i'm not - is this some export controlled stuff now?
2018-05-18T15:56:50 < jpa-> ("yeah, i'm sourcing the control algorithm for our ICBM from ##stm32")
2018-05-18T15:57:05 < zyp> haha
2018-05-18T15:57:13 < nn7> all the best ICBM code comes from IRC
2018-05-18T15:57:31 < Haohmaru> dafuq is icbm?
2018-05-18T15:58:17 < karlp> insanely controlled boi men
2018-05-18T15:58:42 < karlp> interested curious bisexual monsters?
2018-05-18T15:59:27 < karlp> emeb does consulting too, doesn't he? http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/
2018-05-18T15:59:34 < karlp> he's us based too.
2018-05-18T16:06:18 < kakimir> inter contineltal ballistic missile
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2018-05-18T16:06:48 < kakimir> I think sounds also of some sort of malware
2018-05-18T16:08:45 < nn7> gah, I wish unemployment wasn't so low
2018-05-18T16:08:53 < Steffanx> Lol
2018-05-18T16:09:02 < nn7> it's hard to find talented people to pay!
2018-05-18T16:09:26 < Steffanx> Jpa is very talented and for hire. Whats the issue?
2018-05-18T16:10:18 < nn7> I need a control system for a motor
2018-05-18T16:10:29 < nn7> PID with multiple notch filters
2018-05-18T16:10:51 < jpa-> why the notch filters? is it oscillating a lot?
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2018-05-18T16:11:26 < nn7> yes
2018-05-18T16:11:47 < nn7> i'm replacing an existing control system. I've spent months with a Galil DMC and I just can't make it work. 
2018-05-18T16:12:02 < nn7> So I'm trying to outsource multiple parallel methods to find a good solution.
2018-05-18T16:12:17 < nn7> I have the tuning parameters from the old system, they solved it with notch filters, first and second order
2018-05-18T16:12:59 < Haohmaru> first order notch?!
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2018-05-18T16:13:39 < nn7> well, whatever
2018-05-18T16:13:45 < nn7> I clearly don't know what I'm talking about :)
2018-05-18T16:14:07 < Haohmaru> is it like a first order lp and hp in series?
2018-05-18T16:14:52 < Haohmaru> hm, in parallel
2018-05-18T16:15:35 < Haohmaru> yea nevah gonna get a proper notch that way tho
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2018-05-18T16:33:10 < srk> zyp: my cute boards got approved as well http://48.io/~rmarko/random/IMG_0580.JPG
2018-05-18T16:33:41 < zyp> nice
2018-05-18T16:34:08 < srk> zyp: what are you controlling with that pid?
2018-05-18T16:34:27 < srk> ah, 3d printer, I see
2018-05-18T16:34:27 < zyp> what pid?
2018-05-18T16:34:31 < zyp> yeah
2018-05-18T16:34:37 < srk> which controller?
2018-05-18T16:34:46 < zyp> in what sense?
2018-05-18T16:34:56 < srk> like ramps, smoothie..
2018-05-18T16:35:19 < srk> never had any issues with built-in pids and pid tunning (marlin, smoothieware)
2018-05-18T16:35:30 < zyp> currently running on a steval-3dp001v1, but I'm planning to roll my own board later once the firmware works reliably
2018-05-18T16:35:41 < srk> ah, cool
2018-05-18T16:35:48 < zyp> or are you asking about my old printer that autotuned fine?
2018-05-18T16:35:56 < srk> nah
2018-05-18T16:36:03 < srk> Evaluation board for 3D printer  :D
2018-05-18T16:36:04 < srk> fun
2018-05-18T16:36:21 < zyp> there's steval boards for anything nowadays
2018-05-18T16:36:43 < zyp> not super impressed over the design, but it works well enough to test my firmware
2018-05-18T16:37:07 < srk> connectors looks solid
2018-05-18T16:37:16 < srk> never heard of L6474H
2018-05-18T16:37:27 < zyp> screw connectors that small are not much fun to work with
2018-05-18T16:37:34 < srk> looks like alegro clone
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2018-05-18T16:38:12 < srk> I like the small ones - I have these on one panucatt board running kossel mini
2018-05-18T16:38:24 < srk> for endstops / thermistors
2018-05-18T16:39:05 < srk> if my isolated programmer works I can start hacking on servos again finally
2018-05-18T16:39:26 < zyp> I seemed to hit the thermal cutoffs on the stepper drivers
2018-05-18T16:39:27 < srk> also have a stepper carrier board prototype
2018-05-18T16:39:36 < zyp> so I put on heatsinks and a spare fan: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/ySOb4.jpg
2018-05-18T16:39:37 < srk> how much they can delivr?
2018-05-18T16:39:52 < srk> heh
2018-05-18T16:40:01 < zyp> idk
2018-05-18T16:40:15 < zyp> I haven't played around with the settings either, they're running on defaults
2018-05-18T16:40:26 < zyp> haven't melted any steppers yet, so it's probably good enough :p
2018-05-18T16:40:50 < srk> hard to metl a stepper with 2A :D
2018-05-18T16:41:06 < srk> pity there's no F7 on that board :D
2018-05-18T16:41:28 < zyp> nah, I do most of the math on the host anyway
2018-05-18T16:42:06 < srk> I'll take look at the schematics though
2018-05-18T16:42:42 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/uXvx7.jpg <- I printed this on monday, came out fairly well considering it was (almost) the first print of a scratch-written firmware
2018-05-18T16:42:44 < bitmask> zyp, thats not your own board is it?
2018-05-18T16:42:58 < zyp> bitmask, no, it's not
2018-05-18T16:43:03 < bitmask> what is it
2018-05-18T16:43:16 < zyp> 15:35:30 < zyp> currently running on a steval-3dp001v1, ...
2018-05-18T16:43:32 < bitmask> ahh
2018-05-18T16:43:55 < bitmask> interesting
2018-05-18T16:43:55 < zyp> the bow on the boat looks a bit shit because it's not buffering gcodes, so it stopped between each line segment
2018-05-18T16:44:11 < srk> I'm trying to tune ours taz4 with volcano. replaced shitty extruder with bondtech 
2018-05-18T16:44:25 < srk> looks like it needs a bit of linear advance 
2018-05-18T16:44:29 < zyp> on tuesday, I added buffering and tried again
2018-05-18T16:44:36 < bitmask> I cant wait to have money to upgrade/replace my printer but it serves its purpose for now
2018-05-18T16:44:48 < zyp> it put down three layers before extruder started skipping
2018-05-18T16:45:03 < zyp> then I looked at temp graph and found out it looked like this: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/YTb4w.png
2018-05-18T16:45:13 < srk> you need a planner :D
2018-05-18T16:45:29 < srk> but pretty cool anyway
2018-05-18T16:45:52 < zyp> I have a planner, but the gcode parser were only feeding in one by one segment to the planner :p
2018-05-18T16:46:04 < srk> right :D
2018-05-18T16:47:05 < zyp> once I started buffering and feeding in more, the motions ran a lot smoother and faster, and I guess the added speed caused the temp instability
2018-05-18T16:47:30 < zyp> that was before I bothered implementing I and D-terms, running P-term alone
2018-05-18T16:47:42 < zyp> so was that first print :p
2018-05-18T16:48:13 < zyp> I figure once I get a working PID in place, it'll do much better
2018-05-18T16:50:57 < bitmask> man I havent worked on my web interface site in a long time, I forget what everything does
2018-05-18T16:59:09 < Laurenceb> https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/18/bill-gates-donald-trump-difference-hiv-hpv
2018-05-18T16:59:11 < Laurenceb> kekkin
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2018-05-18T18:21:57 < jadew> Gates is my roll model
2018-05-18T18:22:02 < jadew> billionare
2018-05-18T18:22:19 < jadew> role
2018-05-18T18:23:42 < jadew> hey
2018-05-18T18:23:49 < mitrax> good evening sir
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2018-05-18T18:46:58 < Steffanx> Good evening.
2018-05-18T18:55:21 < jadew> are we ready for the afternoon tea?
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2018-05-18T18:56:30 < bitmask> nice, the section for my senior capstone that I wanted but was always full opened up and I got in
2018-05-18T18:56:50 < dekar> Steffanx, I sent izua 1c USD on Revolut, (multi currency bank) he sent me 2c EUR back and told me to be proud of Europe followed by "just my two cents" :D
2018-05-18T18:56:56 < dekar> So he is still alive after all.
2018-05-18T18:57:13 < zyp> nice
2018-05-18T18:57:15 < Steffanx> Haha cool. :)
2018-05-18T18:57:30 < zyp> did he ever get the pcb I sent him?
2018-05-18T18:57:35 < Steffanx> The izua.
2018-05-18T18:58:11 < dekar> zyp, no idea. But as long as you wire him money he seems to respond. :)
2018-05-18T19:02:11 < Laurenceb> superbia: you have no chance to survive make your time
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2018-05-18T19:12:36 < karlp> lolrence confirmeed as oldfag again?
2018-05-18T19:13:03 < Steffanx> Muh heritage.
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2018-05-18T19:24:22 < nn7> I have some experience with AVRs and Atmel Studio. If I wanted to get up to speed on STM32 as quickly as possible, what's the best route?
2018-05-18T19:24:43 < nn7> I don't mind spending money. Should I get JTAG debuggers? demo boards? recommended IDE?
2018-05-18T19:24:51 < nn7> I'm not really a programmer, more of an EE.
2018-05-18T19:25:58 < Laurenceb> Colorado Springs
2018-05-18T19:26:50 < nn7> but if I wanted to be up and compiling in a matter of hours without extensive tinkering, with a windows os for development, 
2018-05-18T19:27:06 < Steffanx> some in here would say: keil
2018-05-18T19:27:20 < Steffanx> others would say pure GCC
2018-05-18T19:27:26 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppS7_q_sQyo
2018-05-18T19:27:34 < Steffanx> but another free eclipse based ide might be TrueStudio, nn7
2018-05-18T19:27:51 < englishman> man, didnt we tell you last night: f0 discovery, free keil, stm32cube
2018-05-18T19:28:00 < englishman> discovery boards come with debugger
2018-05-18T19:28:12 < Steffanx> dont go grumpy englishman
2018-05-18T19:28:18 < Steffanx> we dont need a grumpy englishman today
2018-05-18T19:28:19 < englishman> on cortex-m, jtag isnt really needed, we use the 2/3-wire SWD instead
2018-05-18T19:28:28 < englishman> im great today steffy
2018-05-18T19:28:32 < englishman> everything is coming up englishman 
2018-05-18T19:28:33 < Steffanx> Good.
2018-05-18T19:28:44 < Steffanx> moved yet?
2018-05-18T19:28:59 < englishman> no but that is turning out to be a good thing
2018-05-18T19:29:01 < nn7> englishman, can you explain?
2018-05-18T19:29:06 < Laurenceb> wew Tuxurrsss
2018-05-18T19:29:11 < englishman> which part, nn?
2018-05-18T19:29:16 < Laurenceb> le murican school xperience
2018-05-18T19:29:23 < nn7> 2/3-wire SWD instead
2018-05-18T19:29:36 < englishman> yeah, full on jtag is available, but it's cumbersome
2018-05-18T19:29:44 < englishman> instead, stlink, jlink, ulink etc. uses SWD
2018-05-18T19:29:49 < englishman> as supported on all cortex-m
2018-05-18T19:30:11 < englishman> it's two wires for onchip debug, plus reset line, plus SWO which is optional and not available on M0
2018-05-18T19:30:16 < nn7> so what hardware should I buy to get started
2018-05-18T19:30:21 < englishman> discovery f0
2018-05-18T19:30:27 < englishman> maybe stm32f072 dsicovery
2018-05-18T19:30:51 < englishman> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/stmicroelectronics/STM32F072B-DISCO/497-14098-ND/4502081
2018-05-18T19:31:10 < nn7> any guides on how to get this stuff up and running?
2018-05-18T19:31:22 < englishman> it comes with a little booklet i guess
2018-05-18T19:31:30 < Steffanx> although, depending on the application, you might hit the 32k limit pretty fast
2018-05-18T19:31:30 < englishman> and some sample code with keil project files
2018-05-18T19:31:34 < englishman> Steffanx: F
2018-05-18T19:31:35 < englishman> ZERO
2018-05-18T19:31:51 < englishman> http://www2.keil.com/stmicroelectronics-stm32/mdk
2018-05-18T19:32:09 < Steffanx> oh, i idnt know
2018-05-18T19:32:14 < Steffanx> still wouldnt use keil though :P
2018-05-18T19:32:22 < Steffanx> i HATE uvision
2018-05-18T19:32:33 < englishman> maybe thats why all your devs quit
2018-05-18T19:32:43 < Steffanx> because they had to use keil, yes
2018-05-18T19:32:49 < englishman> pff
2018-05-18T19:32:56 < Steffanx> Not even a lie.
2018-05-18T19:33:12 < Steffanx> nor a joke
2018-05-18T19:33:18 < Laurenceb> I wonder why school shootings always happen in US and not other countries with the same/less restrictive gun laws, is it just population or are yanks just mental?
2018-05-18T19:33:28 < Steffanx> Laurenceb, always ...
2018-05-18T19:34:11 < Steffanx> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre 
2018-05-18T19:34:32 < Laurenceb> a Scottish tradition
2018-05-18T19:34:40 < nn7> what is this stmcube thing?
2018-05-18T19:35:52 < Laurenceb> like timecube crossed with emdrive and eestor, with some steorn orbo
2018-05-18T19:36:08 < Steffanx> a tool to generate code, do pin planning and some other stuff nn7
2018-05-18T19:36:18 < Steffanx> download it, install it, play with it ;)
2018-05-18T19:36:45 < nn7> any recommended guides?
2018-05-18T19:37:53 < Laurenceb> http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2016/11/steorn-liquidates/
2018-05-18T19:37:55 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-05-18T19:40:35 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OO-vgMDY-0f10uV4zoZ1NjDBWaKHBeSK
2018-05-18T19:40:36 < invzim> u.fl ftw
2018-05-18T19:41:19 < invzim> no more shorting stuff or doing it one-handed with scope 
2018-05-18T19:44:58 < Laurenceb> >one handed
2018-05-18T19:46:27 < BrainDamage> ah, u.fl, when you need to plug things exactly once
2018-05-18T19:46:56 < invzim> what goes first the male or female side?
2018-05-18T19:48:55 < englishman> ?
2018-05-18T19:49:25 < englishman> oh
2018-05-18T19:49:34 < englishman> i find the female goes
2018-05-18T19:49:37 < karlp> BrainDamage: you jest, specced for 20 amirte?
2018-05-18T19:49:39 < englishman> the shield springs break off
2018-05-18T19:49:45 < Laurenceb> wut
2018-05-18T19:49:48 < Laurenceb> works for me
2018-05-18T19:49:49 < englishman> thats 20 insertions if you use the tool
2018-05-18T19:50:04 < Laurenceb> heh I just use scalple blade
2018-05-18T19:50:05 < karlp> ;)
2018-05-18T19:50:20 < invzim> stock up on some more ufl->sma pigtails then, just in case
2018-05-18T19:50:43 < BrainDamage> karlp: specced for 20 using the tool, same as sma specced for 1k using a torsion wrench
2018-05-18T19:50:55 < BrainDamage> torque wrench*
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2018-05-18T19:51:03  * karlp finds mail/female rather odd concepts with these.
2018-05-18T19:51:40 < antto> mail/femail
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2018-05-18T19:53:10 < jpa-> i didn't expect karlp to be familiar with the concept of mail/female
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2018-05-18T19:55:27 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113123.png
2018-05-18T19:55:32 < Laurenceb> which one of you is this?
2018-05-18T19:55:35 < upgrdman> on a microcontroller, if i need to know the firmware version i usually have the microcontroller send a hard-coded number, and also a checksum of the flash, to ensure someone didnt forget to update that hard-coded number when making changes. is there any way for an fpga/cpld to give me something like a checksum of its bitstream? lattice machxo2 if that matters.
2018-05-18T19:55:48 < upgrdman> ##fpga is asleep :(
2018-05-18T19:56:51 < antto> dafuq is that, Laurenceb
2018-05-18T19:56:55 < Laurenceb> u
2018-05-18T19:57:34 < antto> while i'm thin, i don't wear my clothes like that
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2018-05-18T19:57:47 < antto> i'm also not bald, nor wear glasses
2018-05-18T19:57:51 < Steffanx> antto wears a skirt.
2018-05-18T19:57:54 < antto> and WTF are those boots
2018-05-18T19:58:02 < antto> Steffanx no, u
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2018-05-18T20:02:18 < jpa-> upgrdman: is your configuration stored in builtin memory or some external flash chip?
2018-05-18T20:02:33 < upgrdman> current design is a cpld. builtin flash
2018-05-18T20:04:24 < jpa-> it seems like MachXO2 could read its own flash
2018-05-18T20:04:34 < upgrdman> hmm
2018-05-18T20:07:21 < jpa-> http://www.latticesemi.com/en/Products/DesignSoftwareAndIP/IntellectualProperty/ReferenceDesigns/ReferenceDesign04/ReadAndWriteUsercode   maybe this?
2018-05-18T20:09:31 < jpa-> but yeah, it's going to be device-specific when done that way; i would just generate some ID automatically as part of build process
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2018-05-18T20:21:31 < karlp> is there a "right" way of converting bytes to a float without type punning?
2018-05-18T20:21:41 < karlp> other than turning of the strict aliasing warnings?
2018-05-18T20:21:47 < zyp> reinterpret_cast
2018-05-18T20:22:49 < karlp> and in C, is it "use a union"?
2018-05-18T20:24:26 < jpa-> memcpy :P
2018-05-18T20:24:48 < karlp> realllly?
2018-05-18T20:24:56 < zyp> apparently you're not supposed to use reinterpret_cast either, C++ docs says «When it is needed to interpret the bytes of an object as a value of a different type, std::memcpy can be used»
2018-05-18T20:25:03 < jpa-> union AFAIK is not fully specified either, but is safer in practice than *(float*)&foo
2018-05-18T20:25:13 < zyp> reinterpret_cast is more for converting pointer types and shit
2018-05-18T20:25:36 < jpa-> but memcpy() is afaik fully specified behaviour and gcc optimizes it to direct assign "sometimes"
2018-05-18T20:28:24 < karlp> regehr agrees with just doig memcpy: https://blog.regehr.org/archives/959
2018-05-18T20:28:28 < karlp> and I trust him a lot.
2018-05-18T20:28:37 < karlp> so, mempcy it is!
2018-05-18T20:29:06 < antto> i use reinterpret_cast a lot to convert (for example) void* to uint8_t* and sh*t like that
2018-05-18T20:29:35  * antto is innocent
2018-05-18T20:29:52  * karlp needs to port some tests around...
2018-05-18T20:30:11  * antto needs to test some ports..
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2018-05-18T21:12:01 < dekar> zyp, I asked izua about the PCB. At first he couldn't get it since customs demanded an invoice. But apparently six months later when he went there again, they released it.
2018-05-18T21:12:14 < zyp> cool
2018-05-18T21:13:44 < qyx> finlly I have a vlf receiver working
2018-05-18T21:13:54 < zyp> dicking around with my pid stuff now, added a 32-step MA filter, which removed all the visible noise on the graph
2018-05-18T21:13:55 < qyx> fuk the interference
2018-05-18T21:14:16 < zyp> doesn't seem to help the PID though
2018-05-18T21:15:29 < zyp> guess I should try some manual tuning
2018-05-18T21:15:37 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/vyTK1.png <- how does this read? too high Kp?
2018-05-18T21:23:05 < tct> Kp does not seem far off. I'd rather guess Kd. But I'm anything but a PID expert
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2018-05-18T21:39:38 < Steffanx> Kp not far off? It overshoots with like 45% ( or something )
2018-05-18T21:40:01 < zyp> I tried changing stuff, that just made it worse :p
2018-05-18T21:40:17 < Steffanx> At least it doesnt take 7 minutes to test.
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2018-05-18T21:40:35 < zyp> I'm waiting for this shit to settle
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2018-05-18T21:55:26 < englishman> boosting 1cell lipo to 5V to charge 0.5-0.8A ish
2018-05-18T21:55:31 < englishman> MIC2288 looks cheap and simple
2018-05-18T21:55:38 < englishman> anyone suggest some simple cheap trash?
2018-05-18T21:57:21 < englishman> efficiency and Iq is not that important, although it is battery powered it will be completely off most of the time
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2018-05-18T22:04:43 < englishman> pin compatible with a bunch of stuff
2018-05-18T22:08:19 < zyp> oh fuck
2018-05-18T22:08:39 < zyp> I think I'm starving stuff for cpu on the microcontroller
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2018-05-18T22:35:35 < R0b0t1``> Is it okay zyp 
2018-05-18T22:35:40 < R0b0t1``> Did it die?
2018-05-18T22:35:42 < R0b0t1``> :(
2018-05-18T22:42:25 < Thorn> anyone wants a cool new job https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTkVIebREhA
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2018-05-18T22:48:34 < Thorn> dunno, probably not
2018-05-18T22:49:01 < bitmask> Steffanx how did you get your stroopwafels into font awesome?
2018-05-18T22:53:23 < Steffanx> what bitmask?
2018-05-18T22:53:43 < bitmask> https://fontawesome.com/icons/stroopwafel?style=solid
2018-05-18T22:54:02 < Steffanx> Everything is awesome \o/
2018-05-18T22:54:09 < bitmask> :)
2018-05-18T23:23:00 < Thorn> ok I used the old '2 vias on both sides of a ground pin' trick https://i.imgur.com/5Ci3yKS.png
2018-05-18T23:23:15 < Thorn> now there is a short gnd path from the mcu to the phy
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2018-05-18T23:43:30 < zyp> oh, duh
2018-05-18T23:43:40 < zyp> usb code is blocking while motion code is running
2018-05-18T23:44:11 < zyp> motion code runs in a timer ISR, so it can run anyway
2018-05-18T23:44:36 < zyp> so it's probably not getting starved, just blocked
2018-05-18T23:45:57 < zyp> it wasn't a problem before when each motion block was just a single segment, but now that I buffer up seconds of motion, that fucks up everything
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2018-05-19T00:10:01 < jadew> another shooting?
2018-05-19T00:10:32 < jadew> https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/18/texas-school-shooting-santa-fe-high
2018-05-19T00:10:32 < Steffanx> A 2nd one or..?
2018-05-19T00:10:37 < Steffanx> Oh old.
2018-05-19T00:10:41 < jadew> right...
2018-05-19T00:11:19 < Steffanx> Sad, but cant really give a damn.
2018-05-19T00:12:35 < R0b0t1``> I think people who respond to public shootings with a desire to ban guns are misguided
2018-05-19T00:12:43 < R0b0t1``> It would be best to address the things that lead people to kill other people
2018-05-19T00:12:52 < jadew> seems to be a class of shooters: the teenage shooter
2018-05-19T00:13:13 < R0b0t1``> There was an interesting study on overpopulation in mice that caused the mice to exhibit behavior you can see in people
2018-05-19T00:13:18 < jadew> R0b0t1``, I get why they'd want that
2018-05-19T00:13:27 < R0b0t1``> They'd seclude themselves, become extremely violent, etc.
2018-05-19T00:13:34 < jadew> because it seems to be a combination of teenage stupidity + gun availability
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2018-05-19T00:13:58 < jadew> R0b0t1``, you think it's because of overpopulation?
2018-05-19T00:14:27 < R0b0t1``> Yes, but it's a bit more complicated because it's not only food availability
2018-05-19T00:14:46 < R0b0t1``> Availability of mates (see incel movement) and availability of constructive work.
2018-05-19T00:15:31 < karlp> R0b0t1``: "says the only nation where this happens reguarlary" ?
2018-05-19T00:16:24 < R0b0t1``> For some of the metrics I am talking about they are worse in the US, which supports my claim; but importantly, the availability of guns does not increase violence in general, the violence is simply there.
2018-05-19T00:16:38 < jadew> "16th school shooting this year" holly fuck
2018-05-19T00:16:48 < R0b0t1``> E.g., when the UK banned certain knives (I think) sales of baseball bats and beatings with the same went up.
2018-05-19T00:16:59 < R0b0t1``> The knives weren't causing violence
2018-05-19T00:17:25 < karlp> I'd still rather have knife and gun violence than gun violence.
2018-05-19T00:17:37 < R0b0t1``> So in the short term maybe bans and such have some positive effect, but eventually we will get someone clever who can make nerve agents or anthrax in their basement
2018-05-19T00:17:40 < karlp> pretending that's not relevant is what the USA seems to somehow get stuck in.
2018-05-19T00:17:42 < R0b0t1``> Both are really easy
2018-05-19T00:18:18 < jadew> R0b0t1``, this shit doesn't happen almost anywhere else
2018-05-19T00:18:43 < jadew> and I'm pretty sure you don't have an overpopulation problem
2018-05-19T00:18:48 < R0b0t1``> Well, unfortunately I do not accept such arguments as suitable justification for a repeal of the 2nd amendment
2018-05-19T00:18:55 < R0b0t1``> Nor do many other people
2018-05-19T00:19:02 < jadew> you have less people per sq km than in the EU
2018-05-19T00:19:06 < karlp> they can be _amendments_ not repeals.
2018-05-19T00:19:13 < R0b0t1``> In which case the only thing left to do is to actually fix the problem, not keep people locked in padded cells called houses
2018-05-19T00:19:14 < karlp> and yeah, that's where it all falls apart.
2018-05-19T00:19:37 < jadew> R0b0t1``, but what is the problem?
2018-05-19T00:19:46 < karlp> there is no problem remember?
2018-05-19T00:19:47 < jadew> because from the looks of it, it seems to be the availability of guns
2018-05-19T00:19:52 < karlp> everything should be just like it is.
2018-05-19T00:19:59 < R0b0t1``> I actually think all gun legislation is unconstitutional, and all legislation that prevents the private ownership of modern military materiel is unconstitutional as well.
2018-05-19T00:20:04 < jadew> teenagers are retarded anyway, that's nature
2018-05-19T00:20:13 < jadew> the only thing different between US and other countries is guns
2018-05-19T00:20:18 < karlp> ahh, the true libertarian dream comes out :)
2018-05-19T00:20:31 < R0b0t1``> Well the amendment does happen to say "arms" not "front loading muskets"
2018-05-19T00:20:49 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/bkgUF.mp4
2018-05-19T00:20:49 < karlp> regulation is bad if it applies to me.  no matter how bad the lack of is to _everyone else_
2018-05-19T00:20:54 < R0b0t1``> jadew: I'm not sure what the problem is, but giving up natural rights for safety doesn't seem reasonable
2018-05-19T00:21:12 < jadew> R0b0t1``, it's not a matter of constitution tho, it's about what is best for your society
2018-05-19T00:21:19 < karlp> continuing to assume that gun ownership makes peopel safer
2018-05-19T00:21:21 < R0b0t1``> That is what the constitution is about
2018-05-19T00:21:28  * karlp hmmms and makes notes on his clipboard
2018-05-19T00:21:30 < Steffanx> You are from then us right R0b0t1`` ?
2018-05-19T00:21:35 < R0b0t1``> And I agree that the right to own weapons is good for society
2018-05-19T00:21:44 < jadew> R0b0t1``, what karlp said
2018-05-19T00:21:50 < jadew> it doesn't seem like it makes anyone safer
2018-05-19T00:21:59 < jadew> it seems to be worse, that's the point
2018-05-19T00:22:06 < karlp> if jade and I are agreeing on things, you're in pretty serious moral depravity  :)
2018-05-19T00:22:17 < R0b0t1``> I've tried to explain my position: there are other factors more important than people dying due to guns such as wealth inequality
2018-05-19T00:22:24 < R0b0t1``> If you can solve those other issues, people will probably stop dying
2018-05-19T00:22:47 < karlp> right, and so, instead of things that have been demonstrabaly proven to work, it's j sut, "no, must find some other root cause and fix that" :)
2018-05-19T00:23:04 < R0b0t1``> If a man can not stand up to another with deadly force then something fundamental has been altered about how individuals interact with society
2018-05-19T00:23:04 < karlp> even if it's not the cause, we're not interesed in harm reduction either
2018-05-19T00:23:18 < R0b0t1``> Any violence could likely still be illegal or punished, but removing that ability to do so regardless of the consequences is sad
2018-05-19T00:23:20 < aandrew> < R0b0t1``> There was an interesting study on overpopulation in mice that caused the mice to exhibit behavior you can see in people
2018-05-19T00:23:30 < aandrew> I think I saw that in high school: ratopolis or something
2018-05-19T00:23:51 < jadew> I saw that study as well
2018-05-19T00:24:31 < Steffanx> Did the mice have guns?
2018-05-19T00:24:48 < jadew> Steffanx, if they would have had guns they would have killed eachother
2018-05-19T00:24:55 < jadew> instead they got depressed and died alone
2018-05-19T00:25:25 < Steffanx> So the ended up on the street, like stvn 7-11 friend
2018-05-19T00:25:29 < R0b0t1``> https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/A._E._van_Vogt
2018-05-19T00:25:30 < R0b0t1``> The right to buy weapons is the right to be free.
2018-05-19T00:26:08 < aandrew> that might ahve been the case back when the type of arms the general person could by were about the same as what the military could get their hands on
2018-05-19T00:26:36 < jadew> yeah, it's not like you can fight your government
2018-05-19T00:26:37 < aandrew> but I don't think that a "well armed militia" stands a hope in hell against the army with a mission involving taking the miliita out
2018-05-19T00:26:39 < R0b0t1``> "Our belief is that people always have the kind of government they want and that individuals must bear the risks of freedom, even to the extent of giving their lives."
2018-05-19T00:26:42 < R0b0t1``> jadew: Now you can't
2018-05-19T00:27:04 < R0b0t1``> That is why I mentioned that I think the laws against owning e.g. stinger missiles, plastic explosives, nerve agents, and so on, are unconstitutional.
2018-05-19T00:27:19 < R0b0t1``> But even then
2018-05-19T00:27:30 < R0b0t1``> It should be my right to face my government on what could be mostly even footing and die
2018-05-19T00:27:38  * karlp laughs
2018-05-19T00:27:41 < jadew> if that were consitutional, teenagers would take out several schools at once
2018-05-19T00:27:48 < R0b0t1``> People are going to die. It would be best if they didn't, but if they must, do not remove any claws they might have.
2018-05-19T00:28:02 < R0b0t1``> jadew: Cars kill people. We should remove cars.
2018-05-19T00:28:14 < karlp> see, that's it, you're in the "I don't care how much society is harmed, as long as I can have this "freedom""
2018-05-19T00:28:27 < karlp> R0b0t1``: we are removing cars. the drivers at least.
2018-05-19T00:28:35 < karlp> for exactly this reason, they kill society
2018-05-19T00:28:48 < R0b0t1``> No karlp, I think there would be a new equilibrium. Not after tons of people died, but there would be more education and work towards peace if it was something that actually mattered.
2018-05-19T00:28:58 < jadew> but cars are also an economical driving force
2018-05-19T00:28:59 < R0b0t1``> As it is most governments can do whatever they want and people are powerless to resist.
2018-05-19T00:29:08 < qyx> mhm, reading you for a while and I can partially understand what R0b0t1`` says
2018-05-19T00:29:12 < karlp> didn't we do this whole Mutually Assured Destruction theory?
2018-05-19T00:29:16 < karlp> I thought we gave up on it? :)
2018-05-19T00:29:28 < jadew> qyx, I can understand it as well
2018-05-19T00:29:36 < jadew> but as a society, it's a hell of a choice to make
2018-05-19T00:29:43 < R0b0t1``> You're taking the status quo as it is and are incapable of imagining anything different. That is not my fault. However, I am not going to give up my right to own weapons or any that I may own, and if you wish to take them from me I would kill you for trying.
2018-05-19T00:29:59 < karlp> wow, that was some nice double speak there :)
2018-05-19T00:30:03 < jadew> to have guns (that don't help absolutely anyone) at the expense of so many people
2018-05-19T00:30:04 < karlp> you're demanding the status quo
2018-05-19T00:30:06  * R0b0t1`` shrugs
2018-05-19T00:30:22 < R0b0t1``> jadew: That is a fallacy, the act of owning guns does not harm people
2018-05-19T00:30:43 < jadew> R0b0t1``, it doesn't help you in any way, yet, the availability of guns does harm a lot of people
2018-05-19T00:30:55 < jadew> take those 10 people for example that died in today's shooting
2018-05-19T00:30:57 < R0b0t1``> I think it does help me
2018-05-19T00:31:01 < jadew> how?
2018-05-19T00:31:10 < qyx> did you use it?
2018-05-19T00:31:29 < R0b0t1``> I would have a decent change of stopping a home intruder, or, if I were being abused by the government, I could attempt to kill those sent to get me and go into hiding.
2018-05-19T00:31:38 < R0b0t1``> Ultimately yes I realize the futility of the latter
2018-05-19T00:31:44 < qyx> uhm
2018-05-19T00:31:49 < R0b0t1``> But if every time the police got sent to go do something stupid they got shot, they'd stop doing it
2018-05-19T00:31:51 < R0b0t1``> That is *the point*
2018-05-19T00:31:56 < zyp> or you could always give up and shoot yourself
2018-05-19T00:32:06 < Steffanx> :D
2018-05-19T00:32:09 < R0b0t1``> That too I suppose, but I do not agree with suicide
2018-05-19T00:32:09 < zyp> after all, most gun deaths are suicides
2018-05-19T00:32:25 < jadew> R0b0t1``, you do realize that there's no hiding, right?
2018-05-19T00:32:36 < R0b0t1``> That's wrong, you only hear of people who are caught
2018-05-19T00:32:37 < karlp> hehe, the police were getting shot,
2018-05-19T00:32:40 < R0b0t1``> Hiding is not fun
2018-05-19T00:32:40 < karlp> so they got bigger guns
2018-05-19T00:32:44 < karlp> so everyone got bigger guns
2018-05-19T00:32:53 < qyx> I think that this kind of self-regulation anarchy doesn't quite work yet
2018-05-19T00:33:01 < karlp> you've already tried that line :)
2018-05-19T00:33:03 < R0b0t1``> qyx: I think it is interesting to ask why
2018-05-19T00:33:03 < mitrax> excessive media coverage of such events doesn't help as well, like publishing the guy's face and name immediately, with his backstory, latest facebook post and shit. Now every narcissic retard who wants to kill himself decides he'll have his day of fame by taking a bunch of other lives with his own... sure guns make it easier, but there's also an uptrend of intentionnal killings by cars / truck 
2018-05-19T00:33:03 < mitrax> (that turns out not to be linked to terrorism.. like the Nice killing)
2018-05-19T00:33:10 < R0b0t1``> If the answer is "people would die" well, I don't think that is a good reason
2018-05-19T00:33:37 < jadew> mitrax, that's a good point too
2018-05-19T00:34:14 < zyp> mitrax, by what definition of terrorism?
2018-05-19T00:34:23 < jadew> R0b0t1``, it is a good reason when the answer is "people would die needlessly"
2018-05-19T00:34:46 < R0b0t1``> US courts have applied terrorism to harassment of individuals for reasons unrelated to race or religion so terrorism is really, really broad
2018-05-19T00:34:56 < R0b0t1``> jadew: It is a fallacy to assume their deaths were needless
2018-05-19T00:35:06 < karlp> zyp: hah ;)
2018-05-19T00:35:15 < karlp> don't open that one up too!
2018-05-19T00:35:41 < zyp> why not? I'm just sitting here waiting for the 3d print to finish anyway :p
2018-05-19T00:35:41 < mitrax> zyp: as in motivated by political or religious fundamentalism considerations
2018-05-19T00:35:43 < jadew> R0b0t1``, we just established that guns help you in no way, yet they increase the damage capability of crazy people 
2018-05-19T00:36:14 < jadew> it never helped you, isn't it?
2018-05-19T00:36:19 < jadew> owning a gun
2018-05-19T00:37:04 < jadew> the stats are against it even if you use it for self defence
2018-05-19T00:37:32 < R0b0t1``> jadew: No we didn't
2018-05-19T00:37:35 < R0b0t1``> I think guns help
2018-05-19T00:37:47 < R0b0t1``> People do not necessarily take advantage of the help granted by guns
2018-05-19T00:37:51 < jadew> I remember reading something like "gun owners are more likely to die in a home invasion scenario than non-gun owners"
2018-05-19T00:37:59 < jadew> that was several years ago
2018-05-19T00:38:02 < jadew> I doubt that changed
2018-05-19T00:38:39 < jadew> also, remember about some folks that got gunned down by police because their house got raided by mistake and the owners decided to protect their property (not knowing who got in)
2018-05-19T00:39:14 < jadew> the situations in which it can actually help you and keep you safe are so few, they're not even worth considering
2018-05-19T00:39:37 < jadew> do you knwo why cops are so trigger happy in the US?
2018-05-19T00:39:44 < jadew> because they know the population has access to guns
2018-05-19T00:40:07 < mitrax> i'm glad i don't have a gun, i probably would have used it by now... 
2018-05-19T00:40:09 < zyp> also because the police carry guns
2018-05-19T00:40:27 < jadew> yes, but in here for example, they don't expect other people to have guns
2018-05-19T00:40:30 < mitrax> to kill the fucking street musician who plays accordion for hours on, down my windows
2018-05-19T00:40:31 < jadew> so they never consider using them
2018-05-19T00:40:42 < Steffanx> Mitrax no knife in the kitchen?
2018-05-19T00:40:49 < jadew> in the US, they have to draw them all the time, because who knows?
2018-05-19T00:40:52 < Steffanx> Learn to throw knives
2018-05-19T00:40:54 < qyx> throw a rock
2018-05-19T00:41:04 < zyp> here police generally don't carry guns, unless they have a reason to
2018-05-19T00:41:16 < qyx> I have surplus of them, ~80m^3
2018-05-19T00:41:21 < jadew> yeah, most cops don't carry guns in here either
2018-05-19T00:41:30 < mitrax> Steffanx: ahahah, well my point is guns make it much easier for things to go awry when you blow a gasket
2018-05-19T00:41:31 < Steffanx> And like you said, a truck is also effective mitrax ;)
2018-05-19T00:42:10 < qyx> yeah, truck riding is the europe way to go
2018-05-19T00:42:22 < qyx> no guns needed
2018-05-19T00:42:34 < mitrax> Steffanx: over the years we've had a few case of people being exceeded by noise shooting down youngsters, regular people who just happened to have some hunting riffle and went crazy for a moment
2018-05-19T00:42:51 < Steffanx> Did they lock up Laurenceb yet. Who know what he may try tomorrow
2018-05-19T00:42:53 < jadew> speaking about the issues in Europe
2018-05-19T00:43:16 < jadew> I went to Disneyland a week or so ago and there was airport level security at the hotel
2018-05-19T00:43:33 < jadew> they scanned your bags when you entered the hotel
2018-05-19T00:43:45 < jadew> and checked us with metal detectors
2018-05-19T00:44:23 < jadew> also, at the airport, there are patrols of 7-8 men armed with (what look to me like) automatic guns
2018-05-19T00:44:53 < Steffanx> Yes?
2018-05-19T00:44:59 < qyx> did you enjoy the disneyland then?
2018-05-19T00:45:04 < jadew> qyx, I did
2018-05-19T00:45:24 < jadew> but still, things are very different than they used to be
2018-05-19T00:45:34 < karlp> fucking c type casting shit
2018-05-19T00:45:47 < Steffanx> No?
2018-05-19T00:45:50 < karlp> took far too long to get this 16bit arrays to signed/unsigned 64bit numebrs properly
2018-05-19T00:46:04 < zyp> haha
2018-05-19T00:46:54 < Steffanx> Now im curious what you endes up with and why the rage.
2018-05-19T00:46:58 < Steffanx> Ended*
2018-05-19T00:47:15 < jadew> night
2018-05-19T00:47:55 < karlp> oh, no the memcpy stuff worked ok, it's the reading in 4 16bit numbers that are actually "lua_Number" (ie, double, or maybe float, or maybe even int32) and getting the right 32/64bit int/float values out
2018-05-19T00:49:28 < qyx> speaking of lua, how is it now compared to micropython?
2018-05-19T00:50:03 < qyx> are they ~~comparably resource-hungry now?
2018-05-19T00:50:32 < karlp> no idea, I've never bothered trying lua or micropython on stm32 type platforms
2018-05-19T00:51:00 < karlp> I use lua for (mostly) easy c binding on linux, and for being vastly less hungry than python 
2018-05-19T00:51:04 < qyx> oh I though you were complining about lua on stm32
2018-05-19T00:51:06 < karlp> and vastly simpler to use than c.
2018-05-19T00:51:34 < karlp> no, just replacing more broken fragile C shit with lua shits on the side that talks to the stm32s
2018-05-19T00:52:38 < zyp> and writing C shit to talk to lua?
2018-05-19T00:54:28 < karlp> well, writing C shit to let lua talk to C shit nicely.
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2018-05-19T00:55:05 < zyp> sounds like a hassle
2018-05-19T00:55:43 < zyp> you can't just build a .so and have lua call arbitrary functions?
2018-05-19T00:55:45 < karlp> eh, been doing it in lua side for years, but lua5.1 didn't have native bitops, 
2018-05-19T00:55:47 < karlp> https://github.com/remakeelectric/lua-libmodbus/commit/7825f2703539bcf112333f72709beb586a6be578
2018-05-19T00:55:50 < karlp> yeah, that's what I've done.
2018-05-19T00:55:59 < karlp> I just added more shit to the .so to make the lua stuff easier than it used to be.
2018-05-19T00:56:06 < zyp> I mean, without any lua stuff in the .so
2018-05-19T00:56:13 < karlp> there is no lua stuff in the .so
2018-05-19T00:56:19 < karlp> not sure I follow what you mean now.
2018-05-19T00:56:41 < upgrdman> software pros: if i have a large set of coordinates (x,y) and i want to get them either as an array of x1,y1,x2,y2... or as an array of just x1,x2,x3,x4... is this something that can be done efficiently? e.g. store as a x[] and a y[], and when asked for it, make an xy[]?
2018-05-19T00:56:41 < karlp> that project is a single .c file that makes a single .so, and you use it from lua with just "require("blah")"
2018-05-19T00:56:47 < karlp> and it looks for eitehr blah.lua or blah.so
2018-05-19T00:56:48 < upgrdman> not sure if this is something SIMD can do or not
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2018-05-19T00:57:14 < zyp> I'm just curious how the C code ends up having to handle weird lua types that can be this or that
2018-05-19T00:57:23 < karlp> well, it doesn't normally.
2018-05-19T00:57:30 < karlp> but openwrt patches lua :)
2018-05-19T00:57:47 < karlp> it wasn't really a problem with lua types
2018-05-19T00:58:02 < karlp> it was more me not doing the correct casting at the right points and getting some implicit conversions that were undesired
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2018-05-19T01:08:25 < jadew> I need some entertainment
2018-05-19T01:08:40 < jadew> an adventure movie maybe
2018-05-19T01:09:23 < jadew> been watching wingsuit near misses, but that doesn't seem to cut it
2018-05-19T01:09:42 < zyp> better level up to wingsuit crashes then
2018-05-19T01:09:52 < jadew> good idea
2018-05-19T01:15:40 < mitrax> i'm watching Game Night, doesn't look good from the first few minutes
2018-05-19T01:17:39 < jadew> I like Rachel McAdams
2018-05-19T01:18:01 < mitrax> and my brain is stuck trying to remember in which other movie/series i saw the lead actress (without looking on imdb, that's cheating)
2018-05-19T01:21:18 < mitrax> fuck, i give up
2018-05-19T01:21:27 < jadew> the notebook
2018-05-19T01:22:08 < mitrax> oooh right True Detective season 2
2018-05-19T01:28:53 < jadew> damn, she's still hot
2018-05-19T01:29:41 < mitrax> yup
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2018-05-19T01:30:46 < mitrax> jadew: how's the webstore design going?
2018-05-19T01:31:02 < jadew> slowly
2018-05-19T01:31:28 < jadew> I'm not in a rush tho, but the design still sucks
2018-05-19T01:31:57 < jadew> I'm working on the checkout interface now
2018-05-19T01:32:09 < jadew> adding / removing shipping addresses and things like that
2018-05-19T01:35:02 < mitrax> okay, i can only give one advice: the soberer you keep it (color and font wise) the less likely it will make someone's eyes bleed :)
2018-05-19T01:35:39 < jadew> yeah, I'm not going for crazy colors
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2018-05-19T01:45:17 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/uXvx7.jpg vs https://bin.jvnv.net/file/Y8UZ7.jpg
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2018-05-19T01:46:58 < jadew> I printed my first benchy today too
2018-05-19T01:47:11 < zyp> hope it came out better than these
2018-05-19T01:47:20 < zyp> considering my firmware is still pretty shit :)
2018-05-19T01:47:33 < jadew> it did, but it had some issues at the bottom
2018-05-19T01:47:39 < jadew> where the overhangs are the worst
2018-05-19T01:47:51 < zyp> got a pic?
2018-05-19T01:47:54 < jadew> it's just not that well finished in that area
2018-05-19T01:47:58 < zyp> printed in PLA?
2018-05-19T01:48:09 < jadew> my son snatched it
2018-05-19T01:48:14 < jadew> yeah, in PLA
2018-05-19T01:48:34 < jadew> give me a sec, I'm sure I can steal it back
2018-05-19T01:48:52 < Steffanx> He should be asleep anyway :P
2018-05-19T01:49:04 < jadew> yeah
2018-05-19T01:49:11 < zyp> probably curling, I have a couple from the old printer looking like what it sounds you've got
2018-05-19T01:49:22 < zyp> if so, you solve that with more cooling
2018-05-19T01:50:37 < jadew> zyp, yeah, the surface is rough and it seems to be worse on the part where the fan doesn't blow
2018-05-19T01:50:46 < jadew> so it probably is a cooling issue
2018-05-19T01:51:16 < jadew> got it
2018-05-19T01:59:21 < jadew> zyp, that's ABS?
2018-05-19T01:59:42 < zyp> roll says PLA
2018-05-19T01:59:49 < jadew> it's very shiny
2018-05-19T02:00:09 < jadew> but maybe that's just the light, mine seems to look weird in photos too
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2018-05-19T02:02:19 < Cracki> cruddy overhangs? yes, cooling
2018-05-19T02:02:55 < Cracki> insufficient ventilation from the corresponding direction
2018-05-19T02:03:10 < zyp> idk why it's so shiny, the red pla I've ran on the old printer didn't come out like this
2018-05-19T02:03:19 < zyp> could be a temperature thing though
2018-05-19T02:03:48 < zyp> or it could be mislabelled, this thing says «PLA FILAMENT  Temp: 210C»
2018-05-19T02:03:52 < Cracki> the PLA I printed also has a shiny surface, not as strong as ABS though
2018-05-19T02:04:07 < Cracki> if that were abs, you'd smell it
2018-05-19T02:04:28 < zyp> yeah, and I'd expect it to behave worse also, from what I've heard
2018-05-19T02:04:30 < jadew> zyp, mine is shiny too, but out of the 3 filaments I have this is by far the shiniest and it's nowhere near as shiny as yours
2018-05-19T02:04:31 < Cracki> also it would likely not print at 210C
2018-05-19T02:05:23 < jadew> took some photos but my phone sucks so I'm taking new ones
2018-05-19T02:05:30 < jadew> the quality is really low on the first ones
2018-05-19T02:05:59 < R0b0t1> jadew: The police don't have to draw their guns. They always make a conscious choice. Modern police forces don't focus on deescalation to the detriment of everybody.
2018-05-19T02:06:13 < R0b0t1> jadew: Police are still people - there is no more inherent justification in their drawing of a weapon than anyone else's.
2018-05-19T02:06:45 < jadew> R0b0t1, I was just pointing out that they don't do that here (because they don't have to)
2018-05-19T02:08:43 < R0b0t1> They don't have to anywhere
2018-05-19T02:08:51 < R0b0t1> They choose to in some places, and that choice may or may not be valid
2018-05-19T02:10:45 < jadew> http://5.12.10.197/stuff/benchy/index.php
2018-05-19T02:10:48 < jadew> zyp ^
2018-05-19T02:11:14 < jadew> I'll make a couple more
2018-05-19T02:12:19 < zyp> that's a nice one
2018-05-19T02:12:26 < zyp> how long time did it take to print?
2018-05-19T02:12:30 < jadew> 2 hours
2018-05-19T02:12:30 < zyp> and what's the layer height?
2018-05-19T02:12:35 < jadew> 0.15
2018-05-19T02:12:46 < zyp> okay
2018-05-19T02:12:54 < jadew> what about yours?
2018-05-19T02:12:55 < zyp> I think mine two are 0.2
2018-05-19T02:13:11 < zyp> the one I printed on monday took 2:20, the one I printed today took 1:32
2018-05-19T02:13:27 < jadew> this one is what came on the sd card with the printer
2018-05-19T02:13:45 < jadew> I'll try to slice one myself, maybe it'll print faster
2018-05-19T02:14:09 < zyp> I'm probably running silly high speed, at least for this printer frame
2018-05-19T02:14:39 < jadew> I added a new one
2018-05-19T02:14:53 < jadew> well, mine took about 2:20 too
2018-05-19T02:14:58 < jadew> maybe a bit less
2018-05-19T02:15:07 < jadew> not sure exactly how much because I wasn't watching
2018-05-19T02:15:18 < zyp> 2:20 was without buffering, so stopping between every single gcode
2018-05-19T02:15:31 < jadew> what's buffering?
2018-05-19T02:15:43 < jadew> it stops between g codes?
2018-05-19T02:16:25 < jadew> you keep mentioning the firmware, isn't yours working with the same firmware mine does?
2018-05-19T02:16:35 < zyp> no, I'm writing my own from scratch :p
2018-05-19T02:16:52 < jadew> ah, that print is with your firmware?
2018-05-19T02:16:56 < zyp> yes
2018-05-19T02:17:03 < jadew> in that case nice!
2018-05-19T02:17:27 < jadew> maybe you have to work on the acceleration/deacceleration?
2018-05-19T02:17:54 < jadew> I think that's a source of issues
2018-05-19T02:18:08 < jadew> both because it can cause it to skip steps and because it's shaking the table
2018-05-19T02:18:28 < zyp> yeah, I have acceleration set pretty high
2018-05-19T02:18:39 < zyp> mostly because I started out seeing how fast I could make the thing move
2018-05-19T02:21:25 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/Cv4x7.mp4 <- this is how I started out, couple of weeks ago
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2018-05-19T02:22:01 < jadew> that frame looks very sturdy
2018-05-19T02:22:29 < jadew> very few plastic parts
2018-05-19T02:23:13 < zyp> well, sure, for cheap chinese i3 variants it's probably among the better ones
2018-05-19T02:23:24 < zyp> but I'm not really a big fan of the whole i3 design
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2018-05-19T02:25:25 < Thorn> upgrdman: try googling aos soa transform/conversion, maybe something will come up
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2018-05-19T04:09:32 < upgrdman> bike pros: any accessories that may not be obvious but are awesome to have?
2018-05-19T04:13:17 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/ancientpersonalcrocodileskink
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2018-05-19T04:46:03 < R0b0t1> upgrdman: Portable pump
2018-05-19T04:46:27 < R0b0t1> But I am not a pro, sir.
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2018-05-19T05:39:01 < dongs> Thorn: yea, who cares
2018-05-19T05:39:04 < dongs> it will work
2018-05-19T05:39:19 < dongs> why are y our vias so weird
2018-05-19T05:39:24 < dongs> whats the size on taht shit
2018-05-19T05:39:32 < dongs> the hole looks too small andring too big
2018-05-19T05:41:22 < Thorn> 0.3/0.8. pcbway etc. minimums w/o extra charge are actually 0.3/0.6
2018-05-19T05:41:40 < dongs> you should do 0.3/0.6 yea
2018-05-19T05:41:48 < dongs> 0.8 looks retarded
2018-05-19T05:43:08 < dongs> hmm what the fuck is wrong wiht my visual studio install
2018-05-19T05:43:10 < Thorn> well. they seem to keep having drill registration errors
2018-05-19T05:43:49 < Thorn> you need to listen to a Casey Muratori rant about visual studio
2018-05-19T05:44:22 < Thorn> I can't remember which episode that was though
2018-05-19T05:47:16 < dongs> cant figure out how to make that fucking thing create  a c# project
2018-05-19T05:50:26 < stvn> good morning
2018-05-19T05:54:21 < dongs> shes clearly not interested in you anymore
2018-05-19T05:56:45 < stvn> hi my name is paul
2018-05-19T05:58:28 < stvn> what do i open a 29 megabyte text file with
2018-05-19T06:03:50 < stvn> yay
2018-05-19T06:07:56 < stvn> l0de is pumping
2018-05-19T06:08:07 < scrts> sup pimps?
2018-05-19T06:11:26 < stvn> oh no
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2018-05-19T06:40:59 < dongs> i saw that before
2018-05-19T06:41:13 < stvn> should i click the link?
2018-05-19T06:41:55 < dongs> no
2018-05-19T06:45:53 < dongs> :020000040800F2
2018-05-19T06:45:57 < dongs> whawt hte fuck is this record in hex file
2018-05-19T06:46:07 < dongs> is that not data?
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2018-05-19T06:46:12 < dongs> 1st thing at top
2018-05-19T06:47:15 < dongs> the fucking time iw asted looking for a working .nut .hex reader i could have probly written one myself
2018-05-19T06:47:20 < dongs> fucking garbage
2018-05-19T06:50:09 < stvn> wtf is .nut plz
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2018-05-19T06:52:39 < stvn> I can only guess it is the digital manifestation of some random guy's ejaculation
2018-05-19T06:57:40 < dongs> yes
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2018-05-19T07:29:17 < upgrdman> anyone have a phone mount for their bike? like it? what model?
2018-05-19T07:29:21 < upgrdman> im tempted to try this    https://amzn.to/2IxYeVV
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2018-05-19T07:32:45 < Thorn> why is there RX_ER pin in LAN8720A if it is RMII only? stm32 does not seem to support that signal in RMII mode
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2018-05-19T07:36:24 < jpa-> wikipedia says that RX_ER is optional error indication
2018-05-19T07:42:52 < Thorn> >Instead of using an external 25 MHz quartz to provide this clock, the STM32F4xx microcontroller can output this signal on its MCO pin.
2018-05-19T07:43:04 < Thorn> oh look they actually suggest this in the RM
2018-05-19T07:43:24 < dongs> upgrdman: i just got some cheapass chinese shit
2018-05-19T07:43:30 < stvn> hmm
2018-05-19T07:44:13 < upgrdman> dongs, like it? got a photo or link?
2018-05-19T07:44:29 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/H1VzZkq.jpg
2018-05-19T07:44:34 < dongs> no it was liteerally like $5 or someshit
2018-05-19T07:44:39 < dongs> some chinaspecial
2018-05-19T07:44:43 < dongs> it hasnt dropped my phone off yet so
2018-05-19T07:46:56 < dongs> some of them have a little rubber band shit you can flip over hte phone for better protection but hten you cant do shit on teh screen
2018-05-19T07:48:14 < Jak_o_Shadows> What does "USB_ENDPOINT_ATTR_INTERRUPT" mean (loc3?) I have a NULL callback set for it I think, for some reason?
2018-05-19T07:48:19 < Jak_o_Shadows> (usb-world, stm32f1)
2018-05-19T07:50:05 < stvn> whut is the preferred stm32 mobile handset
2018-05-19T07:50:53 < Jak_o_Shadows> stvn, the motorola g5+ is pretty good.
2018-05-19T07:51:13 < upgrdman> stvn, samsung note 5 duos
2018-05-19T07:52:13 < stvn> cool cool i'm almost ready to start looking
2018-05-19T07:52:29 < stvn> maybe i can send steffan my iphone, he really likes macs
2018-05-19T07:52:48 < upgrdman> be sure to etch a dickbutt onto it with a carbide tool
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2018-05-19T07:56:51 < stvn> not a bad idea at all
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2018-05-19T08:16:44 < englishman> lol, yuros arguing against amerifats about gun control
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2018-05-19T08:41:31 < machinehum> https://blog.arduino.cc/2018/05/17/say-hello-to-the-next-generation-of-arduino-boards/
2018-05-19T08:41:41 < machinehum> Hey guyz time to leave
2018-05-19T08:41:48 < machinehum> Catch me in #Arduino
2018-05-19T08:45:22 < Jak_o_Shadows> Ok, transitined from having usb write in the systick to a callback.
2018-05-19T08:45:33 < Jak_o_Shadows> Now, unfortunately, if I start using the hse, it doesn't work
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2018-05-19T08:53:13 < dongs> the fuck are these new MFKR part numbers on retarduino
2018-05-19T08:53:20 < machinehum> hi
2018-05-19T08:53:59 < dongs> https://store.arduino.cc/genuino-uno-rev3 trash
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2018-05-19T09:00:19 < stvn> gag
2018-05-19T09:00:50 < machinehum> -o-o
2018-05-19T09:01:29 < machinehum> Intel NUC 8 is cool
2018-05-19T09:01:34 < stvn> are you drunk?
2018-05-19T09:01:41 < machinehum> Yes.
2018-05-19T09:01:52 < machinehum> Are you high?
2018-05-19T09:02:04 < stvn> yeah
2018-05-19T09:02:16 < stvn> currently 34,000ft
2018-05-19T09:03:08 < machinehum> Decent mgh
2018-05-19T09:04:41 < stvn> yeah mate
2018-05-19T09:06:56 < Jak_o_Shadows> hi
2018-05-19T09:07:26 < machinehum> hi
2018-05-19T09:11:58 < stvn> hi
2018-05-19T09:12:30 < englishman> dongs, broken link
2018-05-19T09:13:37 < stvn> yah i saw that 2
2018-05-19T09:13:52 < stvn> greeting englishman 
2018-05-19T09:14:28 < englishman> hi
2018-05-19T09:14:33 < machinehum> yeah that link is broken... thought it was a joke
2018-05-19T09:15:00 < englishman> stvn is in a gun-free zone
2018-05-19T09:15:06 < englishman> that means guns are not allowed
2018-05-19T09:15:13 < stvn> my friend has gun/s
2018-05-19T09:15:18 < englishman> plz remind any school shooters you see that guns are not allowed
2018-05-19T09:15:22 < stvn> welll friends
2018-05-19T09:15:39 < stvn> guns are so yesterday
2018-05-19T09:15:58 < stvn> fully automatic assault cars are more effective 
2018-05-19T09:16:09 < englishman> high capacity transmissions
2018-05-19T09:16:32 < stvn> i heard amerikuh had the shooting again
2018-05-19T09:16:50 < englishman> you could type that every minute of every day and it would be true
2018-05-19T09:19:05 < dongs> link works for me
2018-05-19T09:19:09 < dongs> i mean, it links to garabge
2018-05-19T09:19:11 < dongs> but it works
2018-05-19T09:21:27 < stvn> it works now wtf
2018-05-19T09:22:15 < stvn> also closed when i read IoT
2018-05-19T09:22:28 < stvn> englishman: grey cat? Y/y
2018-05-19T09:22:54 < englishman> maybe they only sell uno to poor countries
2018-05-19T09:23:39 < stvn> hmmm arduino
2018-05-19T09:45:32 < dongs> should i go watch deadpoop2
2018-05-19T09:45:44 < Jak_o_Shadows> You know what? 48MHz is enough for anybody
2018-05-19T09:47:13 < stvn> https://youtu.be/dbMti7VQC1k?t=7m35s
2018-05-19T09:54:13 < dongs> Arduino was doomed as soon as they made that mistake on the placement of the one header. Could have been an interesting platform!
2018-05-19T09:54:16 < dongs> haha
2018-05-19T09:56:43 < dongs> I think the last Arduino worth using was the Nano and perhaps Mega, everything that came after were expensive solutions looking for a problem, coupled to a horrible IDE
2018-05-19T09:56:47 < dongs> nice
2018-05-19T09:58:02 < stvn> lol
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2018-05-19T10:26:58 < Thorn> FINALLY
2018-05-19T10:27:15 < dongs> sup
2018-05-19T10:27:24 < dongs> ugh
2018-05-19T10:27:29 < dongs> firmware update over garbage link is garbage
2018-05-19T10:27:34 < dongs> im sending 16bytes / 200ms lol
2018-05-19T10:27:40 < dongs> it takes literally minutes
2018-05-19T10:29:32 < Jak_o_Shadows> imagine spacecraft!
2018-05-19T10:42:13 < Thorn> ORDER SUBMITTED
2018-05-19T10:44:06 < stvn> thankyou for your purchase
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2018-05-19T11:01:13 < Thorn> looks like I'm going to need another j-link
2018-05-19T11:18:51 < Steffanx> A real one?
2018-05-19T11:20:04 < Thorn> a genuine original one from an authorized aliexpress distributor
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2018-05-19T14:56:43 < Laurenceb_> hol up
2018-05-19T14:56:53 < Laurenceb_> we wuz royal family
2018-05-19T15:00:51 < Laurenceb_> tfw https://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113343.jpg
2018-05-19T15:11:16 < mitrax> eh! that's CULTURAL APPROPRIATION!
2018-05-19T15:11:29 < Laurenceb_> kek
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2018-05-19T15:24:11 < Steffanx> best year.
2018-05-19T15:25:51 < mitrax> Steffanx is 29?
2018-05-19T15:25:59 < Steffanx> no.
2018-05-19T15:26:20 < Steffanx> Im not sure if 
2018-05-19T15:26:31 < Steffanx> you are surprised because young or because old. mitrax :P
2018-05-19T15:27:10 < Laurenceb_> crt is 34 or something
2018-05-19T15:27:22 < mitrax> no i remember you told me you were around that age
2018-05-19T15:27:29 < Laurenceb_> his mental age is still 14
2018-05-19T15:27:43 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx about to become a wizard?
2018-05-19T15:28:12 < mitrax> Laurenceb_: it's the pot calling the kettle black :p
2018-05-19T15:28:18 < Steffanx> Im not sure i know that meme, Laurenceb_
2018-05-19T15:30:11 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113344.png
2018-05-19T15:30:11 < Steffanx> Welcome superbia.
2018-05-19T15:31:37 < mitrax> where's superbia from?
2018-05-19T15:32:23 < mitrax> ach so!
2018-05-19T15:34:01 < Steffanx> A roma in germany?
2018-05-19T15:36:01 < Laurenceb_> trop troll
2018-05-19T15:37:33 < mitrax> funny how nicknames often give you a wrong intuition about someone's country on irc
2018-05-19T15:38:44 < Laurenceb_> tfw Harry had HIV and gave it to Megan, she threatened to tell press unless he married her
2018-05-19T15:38:48 < mitrax> SteffanX sounded german
2018-05-19T15:38:51 < Laurenceb_> it all makes sense now
2018-05-19T15:47:08 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113345.png
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2018-05-19T15:51:28 < englishman> laurent what's with the photos of land owning inbreeders
2018-05-19T15:51:41 < Laurenceb_> epic lulz ongoing right now
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2018-05-19T15:53:06 < Laurenceb_> FIRE, FACEBOOK AND INSTAGRAM, MAN HAS DISCOVERED FIRE
2018-05-19T15:53:06 < dongs> watched deadpoop2
2018-05-19T15:53:09 < dongs> what unfunny shit
2018-05-19T15:53:12 < Laurenceb_> why.jpg
2018-05-19T15:53:18 < dongs> awful fucking garbage
2018-05-19T15:53:23 < Laurenceb_> seriously, what were you expecting
2018-05-19T15:53:31 < Laurenceb_> capeshit is shit, news at 11
2018-05-19T15:53:38 < dongs> maybe lunix on desktop i donno
2018-05-19T15:54:20 < Laurenceb_> >capeshit is more shit than embedded lunix on BBB
2018-05-19T15:54:59 < dongs> waht is capeshit anyway.
2018-05-19T15:55:50 < Laurenceb_> unfunny "superhero" films involving capes and silly costumes
2018-05-19T15:56:09 < dongs> oh ok
2018-05-19T15:58:16 < Laurenceb_> irl kek https://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113346.jpg
2018-05-19T15:58:43 < Laurenceb_> the apparently it never happened face
2018-05-19T16:01:02 < dongs> is imgoat the new imgur
2018-05-19T16:01:05 < dongs> just less funny
2018-05-19T16:01:47 < Ultrasauce> it's imgur for people that say 'kek' unironically
2018-05-19T16:03:13 < dongs> awful
2018-05-19T16:04:11 < antto> dafuq is "kek" exactly?
2018-05-19T16:04:33 < antto> is it misspelled "heh"
2018-05-19T16:08:37 < Laurenceb_> thecultofkek.com
2018-05-19T16:08:59 < antto> is it a trap?
2018-05-19T16:12:13 < Laurenceb_> https://hackaday.com/2018/05/18/arduino-just-introduced-an-fpga-board-announces-debugging-and-better-software/
2018-05-19T16:12:15 < Laurenceb_> wut the
2018-05-19T16:12:22 < dongs> "better software"
2018-05-19T16:12:23 < Laurenceb_> > Better Software  KEK
2018-05-19T16:13:07 < Laurenceb_> lul the comments
2018-05-19T16:13:15 < dongs> The key to democratizing FPGA development is Arduino’s work with the Arduino Create ecosystem. Arduino Create is the company’s online IDE that gives everyone the ability to share projects and upload code with Over-the-Air updates.
2018-05-19T16:13:16 < Laurenceb_> > Don’t they know they have been beaten and we all use Intel microcontrolers now?
2018-05-19T16:13:19 < dongs> haha
2018-05-19T16:13:19 < Laurenceb_> surely a troll
2018-05-19T16:13:22 < dongs> online IDE
2018-05-19T16:13:27 < dongs> the comments are the best part
2018-05-19T16:14:30 < dongs> arduino ID
2018-05-19T16:14:35 < dongs> i guess i'll never find out what the shit is about
2018-05-19T16:14:38 < dongs> cuz i aint getting one
2018-05-19T16:18:46 < dongs> the MKR shit just sounds too close to MFKR for me to really like it
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2018-05-19T16:32:33 < mitrax> dongs: the first one sucked (deadpool), what did you expect?
2018-05-19T16:38:00 < mitrax> superbia: france
2018-05-19T16:38:25 < englishman> saperlipopette!
2018-05-19T16:38:30 < mitrax> ahahah
2018-05-19T16:38:33 < mitrax> superbia: bien, merci
2018-05-19T16:43:48 < mitrax> superbia: where in germany if i may ask?
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2018-05-19T16:55:38 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgluP3BkVaA
2018-05-19T16:55:41 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2018-05-19T16:55:45 < Laurenceb_> >the comments
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2018-05-19T17:09:12 < Cracki> I read something about slavery...
2018-05-19T17:11:17 < Cracki> I'm excited for the news when she inevitably files for divorce and takes half his wealth
2018-05-19T17:12:18 < Laurenceb_> yeah lol
2018-05-19T17:20:21 < Cracki> is harry even a real royal? I heard he is a bastard son, so this doesn't affect the royal family much
2018-05-19T17:21:27 < Cracki> guess they can afford the suicidal virtue signalling
2018-05-19T17:23:12 < Cracki> haha these faces! if they just wanted some fresh blood in their line, they needn't have reached that far https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_to_the_British_throne#Current_line_of_succession
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2018-05-19T18:10:25 < Steffanx> I heard he is from Romania, mitrax. Hence the Romanin germany thing.
2018-05-19T18:10:38 < mitrax> oh
2018-05-19T18:11:02 < Streaker> black people are the future!
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2018-05-19T18:12:17 < Steffanx> And imho the first deadpool wasnt too bad.
2018-05-19T18:12:35 < Steffanx> I liked it being different from then other marvel stuff
2018-05-19T18:14:05 < zyp> I liked the second one too
2018-05-19T18:14:26 < mitrax> Steffanx: ok, I couldn't stand Reynold's high pitched voice and acting
2018-05-19T18:15:13 < branjb> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/b/be/Coitus_Geochelone_sulcata.ogv/Coitus_Geochelone_sulcata.ogv.480p.webm
2018-05-19T18:15:16 < branjb> interesting
2018-05-19T18:16:19 < branjb> harry is a badass I worked with him in afghanistan
2018-05-19T18:16:48 < Streaker> I've seen the video of that
2018-05-19T18:16:59 < mitrax> Steffanx: and to me it felt like they were really trying hard to be offensive, just for the sake of it, without any real humor, but well... that's subjective i guess
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2018-05-19T18:19:35 < branjb> Laurenceb_: >British people seem to have this smug, superiority complex going on about them when they really shouldn't. It's laughable and absolutely cringe-worthy in of itself.
2018-05-19T18:19:35 < branjb> lol
2018-05-19T18:21:52 < jpa-> says a lowly foreigner
2018-05-19T18:22:18 < branjb> fight me https://imgur.com/a/VzgHW0b
2018-05-19T18:22:28 < zyp> speaking of fpga stuff, anybody messed around any with the open source ice40 tools?
2018-05-19T18:22:47 < Cracki> plenty of people I'm sure
2018-05-19T18:22:54 < Cracki> better audience in ##fpga
2018-05-19T18:23:37 < zyp> pff, we got room for some innoventing chats here
2018-05-19T18:23:45 < Laurenceb_> >I liked it being different from then other marvel stuff
2018-05-19T18:23:51 < Laurenceb_> thats not saying much
2018-05-19T18:24:13 < zyp> fpga stuff is more interesting than shitting on movies
2018-05-19T18:24:28 < jpa-> zyp: i've opened the webpage once
2018-05-19T18:24:42 < zyp> jpa-, that's where I'm at now
2018-05-19T18:24:54 < zyp> and then I recalled I actually have an icestick somewhere, if I can still find it
2018-05-19T18:25:37 < Steffanx> The open sores stuff is verilog right? I dont verilog
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2018-05-19T18:26:09 < branjb> why use verilog when you can type twice as much to do the same thing in vhdl?
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2018-05-19T18:26:40 < jpa-> you can always use myhdl or similar instead :P
2018-05-19T18:26:52 < Steffanx> Or that python hdl
2018-05-19T18:26:53 < zyp> I like migen
2018-05-19T18:27:05 < zyp> and whatever that fork was called
2018-05-19T18:27:36 < branjb> why do people insist on expanding python to every micros and FPGAs?
2018-05-19T18:27:52 < jpa-> ah yeah, i've heard about migen, some norwegian dude was here last year and mentioned it
2018-05-19T18:28:16 < jpa-> branjb: because it gets the job done?
2018-05-19T18:29:56 < branjb> it's a meme
2018-05-19T18:30:15 < Cracki> these "embedded DSLs" (python, haskell, scala?) are clunky, but interesting tech demos
2018-05-19T18:31:13 < branjb> i've been forced to use Rust on stm32 lately, been using lots of unsafe blocks and doing shit in assembly
2018-05-19T18:31:28 < branjb> defeats the entire point but ~we're using rust~~~
2018-05-19T18:31:54 < zyp> then you're probably not doing anything interesting
2018-05-19T18:32:01 < branjb> we're not
2018-05-19T18:32:13 < zyp> maybe if you did a project with nontrivial application logic, rust would make more sense :p
2018-05-19T18:32:25 < branjb> we're using embedded Rust to show how quick we adapt to changing technology or some shit
2018-05-19T18:32:54 < jpa-> makes sense to learn it first on some simple project
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2018-05-19T18:33:25 < jpa-> not sure why you'd have to resort to assembly much though
2018-05-19T18:33:40 < jpa-> except for stuff like WFI etc. which are in inline assembly in C anyway
2018-05-19T18:33:42 < branjb> lots of the peripherals don't work or are missing functionality
2018-05-19T18:34:13 < jpa-> so? they are just register writes, can't see why you'd need to resort to assembly for that
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2018-05-19T18:37:13 < emeb_mac> zyp: I've done some fooling around w/ icetools. It's a neat idea but QOR isn't quite up to that of the vendor tools yet.
2018-05-19T18:37:47 < zyp> QOR?
2018-05-19T18:37:52 < emeb_mac> quality of result
2018-05-19T18:38:17 < zyp> in terms of size?
2018-05-19T18:38:24 < zyp> or timing?
2018-05-19T18:38:26 < emeb_mac> not quite as efficient on size, not quite as fast.
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2018-05-19T18:39:01 < zyp> fair enough
2018-05-19T18:39:20 < emeb_mac> every now & then I find something it can't synthesize.
2018-05-19T18:39:26 < emeb_mac> throws an error or something
2018-05-19T18:39:53 < emeb_mac> then I mention it on their support fora and someone willl yell at me for not fixing the code base myself.
2018-05-19T18:40:23 < emeb_mac> because we're all experts on writing EDA tools, right?
2018-05-19T18:40:25 < zyp> the most appealing part for me is the potential ease of use
2018-05-19T18:40:29 < R0b0t1`> Yeah I never liked that about open source. On some level sure, you can't expect people to help you, but on the other, people have signed up to help others by publishing the software, to some limited extent
2018-05-19T18:40:38 < R0b0t1`> But I am really excited about the open lattice stuff
2018-05-19T18:40:57 < emeb_mac> yeah, it's fun.
2018-05-19T18:41:06 < emeb_mac> I like that the tools will run on low-end hardware.
2018-05-19T18:41:10 < zyp> vendor tools is generally a prebuilt blob of shit, where you have to dick around with licensing and whatever to even get it to run
2018-05-19T18:41:38 < emeb_mac> I built an expansion board for an RPi zero and I can run the icetools on the RPi to build designs for the board.
2018-05-19T18:41:40 < R0b0t1`> I really hate it when vendors don't supply a scriptable interface of some kind
2018-05-19T18:41:45 < R0b0t1`> Oh that is neat
2018-05-19T18:41:54 < zyp> last time I did fpga stuff, I ended up with xilinx ise in a VM and scripts to copy the source there, build and copy the result back
2018-05-19T18:42:08 < zyp> that's not a very good workflow
2018-05-19T18:42:18 < R0b0t1`> I've tried workflows like that, it ended up ticking me off too much to finish them
2018-05-19T18:42:34 < emeb_mac> zyp: because you couldn't run tools on Mac?
2018-05-19T18:42:37 < jpa-> the lattice ice40 official tools aren't too bad to automate, either IIRC
2018-05-19T18:42:43 < zyp> emeb_mac, that was the main reason, yes
2018-05-19T18:43:27 < zyp> nowadays I would probably have used a docker container instead of a vm, but still annoying
2018-05-19T18:43:42 < emeb_mac> yeah - lack of Mac support is a nuisance.
2018-05-19T18:44:02 < emeb_mac> but I do most work under Linux and all vendors support that lately so it's not a problem here.
2018-05-19T18:44:43 < emeb_mac> but being able to build / run icetools on Mac is probably a plus.
2018-05-19T18:45:10 < zyp> yeah, assuming it's not a dependency hell
2018-05-19T18:45:26 < emeb_mac> and icetools supports some reasonable FPGAs now  - the UltraPlus parts are fairly powerful for DSP.
2018-05-19T18:46:42 < zyp> hmm, yosys installed through homebrew easily
2018-05-19T18:46:51 < Thorn> speaking of ISE, there is also lack of (recent) windows support. they released an official VM with Oracle Linux in it to 'solve' that problem
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2018-05-19T18:47:03 < emeb_mac> heh
2018-05-19T18:47:08 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erwtQFfFNTQ
2018-05-19T18:47:14 < zyp> but I can't see a package for arachne-pnr
2018-05-19T18:47:21 < emeb_mac> gah!
2018-05-19T18:47:37 < emeb_mac> that's weird to have one but not the other
2018-05-19T18:48:38 < emeb_mac> Thorn: I really don't understand why Xilinx hasn't added Spartan 3/6 and Virtex support to Vivado.
2018-05-19T18:48:53 < Thorn> it's VirtualBox based, which has problems with passing usb devices through to VMs, and you kind of need your platform cable lol
2018-05-19T18:49:02 < emeb_mac> Or else keep maintaining ISE
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2018-05-19T18:51:43 < Thorn> they extended the spartan 6 lifetime to at least 2027 but essentially abandoned the only dev environment that supports it
2018-05-19T18:52:07 < karlp> isn't arachne-pnr _jsut_ for icexx, while yosys can target all sorts? they're at differen layers
2018-05-19T18:52:09 < Thorn> there is no answer why, officially or otherwise afaict
2018-05-19T18:53:48 < emeb_mac> So dumb
2018-05-19T18:54:27 < emeb_mac> karlp: yosys can target all sorts - it's a general logic synthesis engine, but it does need device specific libs.
2018-05-19T18:54:57 < emeb_mac> karlp: and AFAIK arachne-pnr is also general but needs infos for the target device.
2018-05-19T18:55:35 < karlp> ok, but iirc, yosys has the libs for multiple parts for _its_ layer but arachne still only has ice40 parts
2018-05-19T18:55:37 < emeb_mac> I know that they're working on support for Xilinx Artix and Microsemi stuff too.
2018-05-19T18:55:57 < karlp> yeah, someone's was doing some commercial work for greenpak too,
2018-05-19T18:56:03 < karlp> no idea what will happen there now that it's dialog
2018-05-19T18:56:04 < Thorn> what about spartan 6 support
2018-05-19T18:56:17 < emeb_mac> Thorn: none that I'm aware of
2018-05-19T18:56:21 < Thorn> I understand it's far more complex than ice40
2018-05-19T18:56:47 < emeb_mac> Thorn: yeah, but someone's working on Artix and that shouldn't be too different from Spartan
2018-05-19T18:56:55 < R0b0t1`> Right since I use Gentoo basically no binaries will run
2018-05-19T18:57:00 < R0b0t1`> They expect libraries that are too old
2018-05-19T18:59:05 < Laurenceb_> prince harry is now the replacement JUST.jpg
2018-05-19T18:59:08 < Laurenceb_> I liek dis
2018-05-19T18:59:26 < stvn> terrorist attack now pls
2018-05-19T19:00:23 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113367.jpg
2018-05-19T19:02:08 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/997799714752999427
2018-05-19T19:05:14 < Laurenceb_> Raheem the meme
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2018-05-19T19:07:43 < Laurenceb_> clearly an OLED panel to fit on face
2018-05-19T19:11:20 < Laurenceb_> yay emdrive is finally dead
2018-05-19T19:12:05 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=42978.3280
2018-05-19T19:12:22 < Laurenceb_> only deranged cat lady seeshells is still shitposting
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2018-05-19T19:15:08 < Laurenceb_> female incels are real
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2018-05-19T19:24:46 < Laurenceb_> she is not my mum I promise
2018-05-19T19:25:24 < BrainDamage> You could have a sex change operation and you'd fit the bill nicely
2018-05-19T19:25:52 < BrainDamage> Also fit the pile of unfunny memes you keep spouting
2018-05-19T19:28:28 < R0b0t1`> Can we please just be friends
2018-05-19T19:28:33 < R0b0t1`> Working in jolly cooperation
2018-05-19T19:33:12 < emeb_mac> Jolly!
2018-05-19T19:33:46 < BrainDamage> jolly roger cooperation
2018-05-19T19:33:57 < BrainDamage> who disagrees gets a turn at the keel
2018-05-19T19:36:27 < zyp> hmm, this looks a bit interesting: https://www.mipi.org/sites/default/files/mipi_I3C_faq_v1-0p_r01.pdf
2018-05-19T19:37:14 < zyp> at a glance, it looks like a crossover between i2c and usb fs
2018-05-19T19:37:21 < Ultrasauce> oh boy
2018-05-19T19:42:29 < Laurenceb_> what could go wrong
2018-05-19T19:42:45 < Laurenceb_> > i3c
2018-05-19T19:42:47 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2018-05-19T19:43:42 < zyp> idk, it looks sensible enough
2018-05-19T19:44:46 < zyp> higher speeds through use of push-pull signalling, dynamic address assignment through standardized protocol commands for enumeration, etc
2018-05-19T19:45:02 < zyp> in-band interrupt signal when bus is idle seems convenient too
2018-05-19T19:45:31 < zyp> and potential interopability with i2c is cool
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2018-05-19T19:46:01 < zyp> now it just needs to actually work
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2018-05-19T19:51:55 < zyp> and there's no clock stretching that can hang the bus
2018-05-19T19:53:02 < Thorn> > Implementers assume all risks associated with implementation, however, and must make their own risk assessment. 
2018-05-19T19:53:32 < Thorn> > We encourage implementers to carefully assess patent-related (and all other) risks applicable to their particular circumstances, and make their decisions accordingly. 
2018-05-19T19:53:39 < Thorn> encouraging
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2018-05-19T19:57:56 < zyp> «Most technology implementations involve similar risk assessments.»
2018-05-19T19:59:07 < nn7> wtf do I need to provide an email address to download stm32cube?
2018-05-19T19:59:25 < zyp> have you tried piratebay?
2018-05-19T20:00:06 < nn7> I'm not giving them my email address either
2018-05-19T20:00:40 < BrainDamage> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=disposable+email
2018-05-19T20:01:19 < nn7> that doesn't answer the question
2018-05-19T20:04:06 < nn7> so many IDEs to choose from
2018-05-19T20:06:12 < nn7> I have to provide my email address to download TrueSTUDIO.
2018-05-19T20:06:17 < nn7> *sigh*
2018-05-19T20:07:34 < Steffanx> Just fill in garbage, it works
2018-05-19T20:08:03 < Steffanx> or go to the download link: http://download.atollic.com/TrueSTUDIO/installers/Atollic_TrueSTUDIO_for_STM32_windows_x86_v9.0.1_20180420-1214.exe
2018-05-19T20:08:34 < nn7> thanks
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2018-05-19T20:12:00 < nn7> hahahah... "If you try and use any ST micro you will be launched into a complex world of third party IDE's that take 4 hours to install and don't work with the particular board you have."
2018-05-19T20:12:11 < nn7> Funny, that's why I abandoned it a few years ago
2018-05-19T20:12:41 < Steffanx> where did you get this outdated info?
2018-05-19T20:12:49 < Steffanx> truestudio isnt thirdparty
2018-05-19T20:13:57 < Steffanx> "Unlike I²C, there is no natural way to ‘hang’ the bus". Im in :)
2018-05-19T20:14:23 < nn7> Steffanx, https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/148479/what-free-ide-does-everyone-use-for-the-stm32
2018-05-19T20:14:55 < zyp> Steffanx, yeah, it sounds pretty nice
2018-05-19T20:15:02 < Steffanx> or keil, like mr englishman said
2018-05-19T20:15:06 < Steffanx> free for l0/f0
2018-05-19T20:15:31 < zyp> just shame it's still single ended, doesn't go far beyond the board
2018-05-19T20:15:50 < nn7> I certainly don't mind paying a few hundred dollars if it saves me a few hours of work.
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2018-05-19T20:16:03 < nn7> the Keil website doesn't even mention a price *smirk*
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2018-05-19T20:16:24 < Steffanx> but f0/l1 is free i heard. after that it's like 5k dollar
2018-05-19T20:16:27 < Steffanx> or something
2018-05-19T20:16:35 < Steffanx> idk, never bother to look either
2018-05-19T20:17:28 < Steffanx> or something between 3-5k
2018-05-19T20:18:14 < scrts> did anyone buy Altium recently?
2018-05-19T20:18:33 < Steffanx> Thorn did, from a russian friend. :P
2018-05-19T20:18:56 < Steffanx> otherwise, tct. But it depends on how recent your recent is
2018-05-19T20:20:24 < nn7> hmm... a few thousand would be a bit harder to pull off for a single project.
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2018-05-19T20:28:39 < scrts> Steffanx-> well yeah, TPB will probably have it as well
2018-05-19T20:28:56 < Steffanx> not 18.
2018-05-19T20:29:05 < scrts> but not sure whether it's not worth buying to be safe
2018-05-19T20:29:13 < scrts> if it's like >3k, then pff...
2018-05-19T20:29:17 < Steffanx> it is
2018-05-19T20:31:08 < scrts> I probably need to consider kicad again..
2018-05-19T20:32:26 < Steffanx> dicktrace is free for a limited version too
2018-05-19T20:32:27 < Steffanx> some like that
2018-05-19T20:36:25 < scrts> I guess with barely any good librry capabilities?
2018-05-19T20:36:30 < nn7> sounds painful
2018-05-19T20:38:13 < tct> scrts, I bought an altium license in december 2017
2018-05-19T20:38:29 < scrts> tct-> for personal use?
2018-05-19T20:38:33 < scrts> or small business?
2018-05-19T20:38:36 < tct> no
2018-05-19T20:38:37 < tct> yes
2018-05-19T20:38:37 < scrts> was it >3k?
2018-05-19T20:38:43 < tct> 8k
2018-05-19T20:38:47 < scrts> ffs...
2018-05-19T20:38:48 < scrts> :o
2018-05-19T20:38:50 < tct> 8.3 I think
2018-05-19T20:39:07 < Steffanx> + yearly renewal 1.5k?
2018-05-19T20:39:08 < tct> the named-user one is 7.8k, then I upgraded to the on-demand one last month. the difference was 1.3k
2018-05-19T20:39:14 < tct> yearly renewal is 1.8k
2018-05-19T20:39:15 < tct> all USD that is
2018-05-19T20:39:45 < scrts> nah too much for me to do some PCBs on my spare time in evenings and weekends
2018-05-19T20:40:41 < Steffanx> yeah, tpb has a nice license for such projects.
2018-05-19T20:40:41 < tct> tell your boss to buy it for you
2018-05-19T20:40:56 < tct> have a look at diptrace. I used that before altium
2018-05-19T20:41:12 < tct> afk
2018-05-19T20:41:38 < scrts> I am my own boss :)
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2018-05-19T21:04:43 < tct> well all good then.
2018-05-19T21:15:10 < zyp> hmm, looks like migen/litex have support for both the icestorm toolchain and the icestick board and everything, so I guess next time I wanna dick around with fpga stuff, that should be pretty straight forward to get started with
2018-05-19T21:15:17 < nn7> so I found C code for my PID problem, I just need to put it on an STM32 and figure out how to interface with hardware
2018-05-19T21:15:49 < zyp> good luck
2018-05-19T21:15:58 < nn7> *sigh*
2018-05-19T21:16:04 < nn7> Still haven't found a company to do it for me.
2018-05-19T21:16:26 < zyp> jpa- couldn't?
2018-05-19T21:17:05 < nn7> needs to be a US citizen
2018-05-19T21:18:09 < zyp> I thought you said company
2018-05-19T21:18:30 < nn7> I thought you said jpa-
2018-05-19T21:18:52 < branjb> probably US company or US person
2018-05-19T21:18:56 < zyp> yeah? he runs a consulting company
2018-05-19T21:19:11 < nn7> that doesn't automatically make him a US citizen
2018-05-19T21:19:31 < Steffanx> Isnt that, yet enother failed kickstarted project, openvizsla based on migen?
2018-05-19T21:19:34 < zyp> haven't claimed so either
2018-05-19T21:19:40 < zyp> Steffanx, yup
2018-05-19T21:19:58 < zyp> did it fail?
2018-05-19T21:20:09 < zyp> I got my openviszla somewhere
2018-05-19T21:20:31 < Steffanx> it did kinda fail
2018-05-19T21:20:37 < zyp> not sure whether it works or not, never tested it, so I guess it may count as failed :p
2018-05-19T21:20:57 < zyp> anyway, gtg
2018-05-19T21:21:11 < Steffanx>  \o
2018-05-19T21:21:14 < zyp> I'll come back and poke more fun at nn7's nationalism later :p
2018-05-19T21:21:29 < nn7> <shrug>
2018-05-19T21:21:38 < nn7> I can't even hire decent help.
2018-05-19T21:21:46 < PaulFertser> How about emeb's company?
2018-05-19T21:21:52 < Steffanx> Better ask for his opinion about guns
2018-05-19T21:22:11 < nn7> guns?
2018-05-19T21:22:22 < Steffanx> Yeah, to gun or not to gun.
2018-05-19T21:22:31 < nn7> that *is* the question
2018-05-19T21:27:09 < nn7> I don't know why I didn't consider asking our schematic and layout house if they can do it, or outsouce to someone who can.
2018-05-19T21:27:12 < nn7> That was dumb of me.
2018-05-19T21:29:02 < Steffanx> emeb, from this channel, is a cool dude indeed and totally into dsp stuff. Although i dont know your budget, so he might be out of your budget.
2018-05-19T21:29:35 < nn7> I doubt it
2018-05-19T21:30:05 < nn7> I will keep an eye out for this emeb person. Thank you very much
2018-05-19T21:39:02 < englishman> zyp, i bought an electric car.
2018-05-19T21:39:03 < englishman> \o/
2018-05-19T21:44:38 < BrainDamage> englishman: http://www.bennettsdirect.co.uk/WebRoot/Store3/Shops/es135661/5091/1966/9F20/5865/7AFB/0A0F/1119/75B9/9928RED-D.jpg ;
2018-05-19T21:44:41 < BrainDamage> ?
2018-05-19T21:47:35 < branjb> does it have insane mode englishman?
2018-05-19T21:47:47 < englishman> i wish, that is cool as hell, look at that lil nigga havin fun
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2018-05-19T21:54:51 < Steffanx> nissan much englishman?
2018-05-19T21:54:52 < Steffanx> leaf
2018-05-19T21:54:57 < englishman> yes
2018-05-19T21:55:02 < Steffanx> cookiebin on wheels?
2018-05-19T21:55:10 < englishman> how do i flash hex over swd on lunix
2018-05-19T21:55:14 < englishman> is it still texane?
2018-05-19T21:55:16 < Steffanx> openocd
2018-05-19T21:55:34 < englishman> can i sudo apt-get install openocd or do i have to fuck around
2018-05-19T21:55:47 < BrainDamage> you can
2018-05-19T21:57:08 < Steffanx> Building openocd is actually damn easy and never failed for me englishman.
2018-05-19T21:57:22 < englishman> id rather spend time building software than building my tools
2018-05-19T21:57:28 < englishman> what am i a caveman
2018-05-19T21:57:47 < Steffanx> is your system that slow?
2018-05-19T21:57:58 < Steffanx> it takes like what.. 5 minutes max.
2018-05-19T21:58:16 < englishman> there is zero reason to have to build any development tool unless i am developing that tool itself
2018-05-19T21:58:43 < Steffanx> The only reason is to be up to date, but that's probably irrelevant in your current situation.
2018-05-19T21:58:47 < nn7> nnn7, howdy
2018-05-19T22:00:00 < Steffanx> the big question is: WHY LUNIX, englishman???!!!!
2018-05-19T22:00:09 < kakimir> pump lunix
2018-05-19T22:00:29 < englishman> i am asking that myself
2018-05-19T22:00:44 < englishman> worse, this orangepi is slow as balls
2018-05-19T22:02:17 < englishman> wait what is this config file
2018-05-19T22:02:21 < englishman> cant i just flash a .hex over swd
2018-05-19T22:02:32 < kakimir> why you buy shitbox?
2018-05-19T22:02:41 < kakimir> if you require any performace?
2018-05-19T22:02:45 < englishman> like openocd -p swd -i my.hex
2018-05-19T22:03:14 < PaulFertser> englishman: you can flash hex with openocd, yes.
2018-05-19T22:03:26 < englishman> cool, how do i start?
2018-05-19T22:03:37 < Steffanx> whats your programmer?
2018-05-19T22:03:44 < Steffanx> whats your target?
2018-05-19T22:04:01 < PaulFertser> Steffanx++
2018-05-19T22:04:18 < englishman> f0 nucleo with onboard swd
2018-05-19T22:05:04 < englishman> st-dink rather
2018-05-19T22:05:13 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpivB8z0gU0 encore
2018-05-19T22:05:30 < kakimir> Traxx - Discovery
2018-05-19T22:07:22 < PaulFertser> englishman: then it would be this: openocd -f interface/stlink-v2-1.cfg -f target/stm32f0x.cfg -c "program your.hex verify reset exit"
2018-05-19T22:07:49 < Steffanx> -f board/st_nucleo_f0.cfg for the lazy arse?
2018-05-19T22:08:00 < PaulFertser> Yeah, was about to say about st_nucleo_f0.cfg 
2018-05-19T22:08:41 < qyx> unrelated, which fixed point fft do you use?
2018-05-19T22:13:28 < Steffanx> Dont you like how we helped you, even with your negative attitude englishman? :P
2018-05-19T22:13:54 < englishman> still trying to make it work
2018-05-19T22:13:59 < Steffanx> wut
2018-05-19T22:14:04 < PaulFertser> englishman: just show the log
2018-05-19T22:14:33 < englishman> lol hang on its not you. it might be an f3 nucleo
2018-05-19T22:14:38 < Steffanx> lol
2018-05-19T22:14:56 < Steffanx> there is an f3 board config too
2018-05-19T22:15:05 < englishman> yes it is working better
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2018-05-19T22:18:45 < englishman> nice!
2018-05-19T22:18:46 < englishman> this is working
2018-05-19T22:18:48 < englishman> thanks PaulFertser 
2018-05-19T22:18:59 < englishman> writing this line into 500 places so i dont lose it
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2018-05-19T22:19:10 < PaulFertser> englishman: welcome :)
2018-05-19T22:20:19 < qyx> I am waiting for the day dongs starts using openocd
2018-05-19T22:20:47 < Steffanx> you could've read the docs.
2018-05-19T22:23:02 < Steffanx> im still curious englishman. why dev on lunix?
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2018-05-19T22:33:05 < kakimir> movie
2018-05-19T22:34:25 < Steffanx> kakimir: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4131800/
2018-05-19T22:34:26 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vrQocbE3BxqvidsVu-UrQxYTUTQNYp9Q/view?usp=sharing ass saver
2018-05-19T22:34:38 < kakimir> also carbon rim saver
2018-05-19T22:36:17 < BrainDamage> is that a spacer or does it act like a suspension?
2018-05-19T22:36:24 < kakimir> a spring
2018-05-19T22:37:05 < BrainDamage> I've seen a few seatpost suspensions, I'm kinda tempted to try one but they all feel so short in their action
2018-05-19T22:37:15 < BrainDamage> and hitting the endcourse of a supension feels like shit
2018-05-19T22:37:16 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-19T22:37:36 < BrainDamage> how much did it cost?
2018-05-19T22:37:47 < kakimir> something like 15eur
2018-05-19T22:37:50 < kakimir> from fleebay
2018-05-19T22:37:56 < kakimir> pirated or something
2018-05-19T22:38:04 < kakimir> that thing was a kickstarter once
2018-05-19T22:38:13 < kakimir> or something like that
2018-05-19T22:38:22 < BrainDamage> I guess I can throw 15 bucks to try it, the other I saw were more like 70
2018-05-19T22:38:39 < kakimir> lemme see if it's there anymore
2018-05-19T22:38:46 < BrainDamage> altough probably being 15 it'll also perform like shit :P
2018-05-19T22:39:29 < Steffanx> Do you go to work in your harmful substances generator (aka diesel car) like me, superbia?
2018-05-19T22:39:29 < kakimir> it's does little
2018-05-19T22:39:32 < kakimir> but enough
2018-05-19T22:39:44 < kakimir> take those sharp hits
2018-05-19T22:39:51 < kakimir> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xsaddle+suspension+spring.TRS0&_nkw=saddle+suspension+spring&_sacat=0
2018-05-19T22:40:54 < kakimir> ride horse to work
2018-05-19T22:41:20 < BrainDamage> I hate horses, they literally leave mountains of shit on the trails
2018-05-19T22:41:28 < kakimir> romania?
2018-05-19T22:41:30 < BrainDamage> Is your friend a horse?
2018-05-19T22:41:40 < kakimir> that is what I thought about
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2018-05-19T22:43:04 < BrainDamage> i hear there's plenty of demand for those in middle east
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2018-05-19T22:45:45 < Steffanx> I think you'd better support Laurenceb
2018-05-19T22:45:56 < Steffanx> The poor lad needs help.
2018-05-19T22:47:08 < kakimir> laurence aid
2018-05-19T22:47:20 < kakimir> what happens?
2018-05-19T22:48:40 < Steffanx> uh?
2018-05-19T22:49:00 < kakimir> laurence in trouble?
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2018-05-19T22:49:44 < Steffanx> is that even a real question?
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2018-05-19T22:50:14 < kakimir> no
2018-05-19T22:52:10 < kakimir> tell me you don't have a pony collection Steffanx?
2018-05-19T22:52:32 < Steffanx> i have no such collection.
2018-05-19T22:53:07 < kakimir> I once visited a guy that had anime collections
2018-05-19T22:53:47 < kakimir> a lot of anime stuff - something like 40square meters living room full of anime stuff
2018-05-19T22:54:03 < antto> did he touch you? :/
2018-05-19T22:54:29 < kakimir> no but he was wearing girls glothes
2018-05-19T22:55:00 < antto> thong?
2018-05-19T22:55:02 < antto> >:)
2018-05-19T22:55:09 < kakimir> pantyhose
2018-05-19T22:55:14 < antto> hahaah
2018-05-19T22:55:19 < kakimir> and dress
2018-05-19T22:55:25 < antto> wtf kakimir
2018-05-19T22:55:29 < mra90> I noticed after reset my nucleo starts from 0x080002d0, where is it confgured/set?
2018-05-19T22:55:31 < antto> what were you doing there?
2018-05-19T22:55:47 < kakimir> he did electronics too - interesting stuff I didn't understand at the time
2018-05-19T22:56:09 < kakimir> also he did C programmin
2018-05-19T22:56:38 < kakimir> certain
2018-05-19T22:56:59 < antto> well, now with the advancements in medicine.. who knows
2018-05-19T22:57:13 < kakimir> there is no girls that do electronics and write in C
2018-05-19T22:57:23 < antto> sure there are!
2018-05-19T22:57:32 < antto> that Wu girl
2018-05-19T22:57:36  * antto runs
2018-05-19T22:57:52 < kakimir> no way she does all the stuff
2018-05-19T22:58:11 < antto> she sure does! i saw it on pootube
2018-05-19T22:58:17 < kakimir> interesting
2018-05-19T22:58:19 < kakimir> show me
2018-05-19T22:58:32 < antto> i forgot, ask dongs
2018-05-19T22:59:03 < kakimir> but anyways the dude was full grown man
2018-05-19T22:59:21 < antto> superbia o_O
2018-05-19T22:59:40 < antto> is that some cult?
2018-05-19T22:59:41 < kakimir> when I visited him after a while it was not even that much weird
2018-05-19T23:00:19 < kakimir> at the door I was like - I have come to right place - there is no way dis dude is not from ircs
2018-05-19T23:02:37 < zyp> englishman, congrats
2018-05-19T23:02:40 < zyp> how do you like it?
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2018-05-19T23:19:52 < invzim> blergh, temperature reading on stm32..
2018-05-19T23:20:16 < invzim> can they get more vague 
2018-05-19T23:21:00 < invzim> is it even useful for anything?
2018-05-19T23:21:31 < zyp> have you tried turning on the temperature sensor?
2018-05-19T23:21:49 < invzim> I can read it, I think
2018-05-19T23:21:59 < invzim> and I got two calibration points
2018-05-19T23:22:08 < invzim> and another formula that talks about slope
2018-05-19T23:22:18 < invzim> and none of them take vrefint into account
2018-05-19T23:22:53 < invzim> Temperature (in °C) = {(VSENSE ? V25) / Avg_Slope} + 25
2018-05-19T23:22:54 < invzim> Temp TC2 TC1 = ( ) ? ? ( ) ValC2 ValC1 ? × ( ) ValTS ValC1 ? + TC1
2018-05-19T23:23:00 < invzim> yields pretty different results
2018-05-19T23:23:03 < invzim> sorry for crap paste
2018-05-19T23:25:20 < kakimir> movie recommd: around the world in 80 days
2018-05-19T23:25:28 < kakimir> from 50s
2018-05-19T23:26:09 < qyx> invzim: and what is vsense
2018-05-19T23:26:59 < qyx> you have to read the vrefint input and use it to calculate the actual vref
2018-05-19T23:27:09 < qyx> then use calculated vref to calculate the temp sensor voltage
2018-05-19T23:27:55 < invzim> qyx: how do you transform temp sensor voltage into a temperature?
2018-05-19T23:28:06 < zyp> «The temperature sensor output voltage changes linearly with temperature. The offset of this linear function depends on each chip due to process variation (up to 45 °C from one chip to another).»
2018-05-19T23:28:12 < zyp> «The internal temperature sensor is more suited for applications that detect temperature variations instead of absolute temperatures. If accurate temperature reading is required, an external temperature sensor should be used.
2018-05-19T23:28:16 < zyp> ›
2018-05-19T23:28:21 < zyp> sounds like it's saying «fuck off»
2018-05-19T23:28:38 < qyx> I remember that sentence
2018-05-19T23:28:44 < qyx> but irrc it worked for me somehow
2018-05-19T23:29:05 < invzim> qyx: which formula did you use to go from voltage->temp?
2018-05-19T23:29:16 < qyx> idk, trying to find it
2018-05-19T23:29:35 < invzim> one got me 31C, the other 39
2018-05-19T23:29:39 < zyp> datasheet says «Temperature (in °C) = {(VSENSE – V25) / Avg_Slope} + 25»
2018-05-19T23:30:01 < zyp> RM*
2018-05-19T23:30:04 < invzim> yup, but this one http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/b9/21/44/4e/cf/6f/46/fa/DM00035957.pdf/files/DM00035957.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00035957.pdf
2018-05-19T23:30:04 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Around_the_World_in_80_Days_(1956_film) Steffanx 
2018-05-19T23:30:06 < zyp> also says «Refer to the datasheet’s electrical characteristics section for the actual values of V25 and Avg_Slope.»
2018-05-19T23:30:31 < invzim> uses tscal1 and tscal2, which is also present in the mcu I'm using
2018-05-19T23:32:04 < kakimir> do you have other such fine movies from 50s for me?
2018-05-19T23:32:27 < invzim> 50's movies in general?  Try rear window
2018-05-19T23:32:46 < Steffanx> fuck old movies.
2018-05-19T23:32:59 < invzim> it has grace kelly  in it, she was hawt :)
2018-05-19T23:34:08 < kakimir> Steffanx, see that movie
2018-05-19T23:34:10 < kakimir> it was good
2018-05-19T23:34:17 < kakimir> color and all the shiet
2018-05-19T23:39:05 < Steffanx> no ty kakimir
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2018-05-20T00:19:50 < Steffanx>  Stvn
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2018-05-20T00:44:00 < Laurenceb_> ftw u know ur in bongland https://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113442.jpg
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2018-05-20T00:44:23 < branjb> looks like very patriotic bongs to me
2018-05-20T00:44:30 < Laurenceb_> sexy britbong ladies
2018-05-20T00:44:42 < branjb> look at those bobby's
2018-05-20T00:44:43 < branjb> lmao
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2018-05-20T00:49:10 < englishman> zyp, thanks. its pretty cool. range is better than i thought too. 5+ km/kWh so far
2018-05-20T00:51:12 < englishman> can you recommend a home charger?
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2018-05-20T00:51:58 < BrainDamage> how much does the battery store?
2018-05-20T00:52:06 < englishman> https://www.ebay.ca/itm/DUOSIDA-Level-2-charger-EVSE-L2-EV-16-Amp-220-240-w-6-50-Plug-23-LONG/253268162948
2018-05-20T00:52:07 < englishman> damn, cheap
2018-05-20T00:52:15 < englishman> 24kWh, 21-ish usable
2018-05-20T00:53:12 < englishman> cruising at 100km/h or so the dash claims 130km range or so
2018-05-20T00:53:41 < zyp> I'm used to consumption being measured in kWh/100km
2018-05-20T00:54:02 < zyp> 5 km/kWh is 20 kWh/100km
2018-05-20T00:54:12 < zyp> kinda high, depends on driving conditions
2018-05-20T00:55:06 < englishman> certainly more than i need for daily use
2018-05-20T00:56:10 < zyp> my wife recently bought a peugeot ion (rebranded mitsubishi i-miev), so we've got two EVs now
2018-05-20T00:56:18 < englishman> very cool
2018-05-20T00:56:36 < englishman> now you get to fight over the charger
2018-05-20T00:56:45 < zyp> hehe
2018-05-20T00:57:14 < zyp> they've got different plugs/sockets
2018-05-20T00:57:32 < zyp> mine's type 2, her is type 1, just like your leaf
2018-05-20T00:58:19 < englishman> mine has the chademo
2018-05-20T00:58:31 < zyp> I'm talking about the AC port
2018-05-20T00:58:48 < englishman> oh, i see
2018-05-20T00:58:54 < englishman> its supposed to support level 2
2018-05-20T00:59:03 < englishman> at least the dash says i can charge at 6.6 through that port
2018-05-20T00:59:21 < zyp> type 1 is SAE J1772, type 2 is IEC 62196
2018-05-20T00:59:57 < zyp> they do the same, except type 2 got more pins to allow for three phase charging
2018-05-20T01:00:11 < zyp> which my car doesn't utilize, but whatever :p
2018-05-20T01:01:08 < englishman> oh, type, not level
2018-05-20T01:01:09 < englishman> ok
2018-05-20T01:01:18 < zyp> but yeah, we still get to fight over the outlet I have my wall charger plugged into
2018-05-20T01:01:51 < englishman> i guess that type 2 is more common in contries with 3 phase to hoses...
2018-05-20T01:01:58 < englishman> houses
2018-05-20T01:02:18 < zyp> yes, type 2 is the european standard for that reason, and my car is european made
2018-05-20T01:02:31 < englishman> so i have to run 50A to the garage
2018-05-20T01:02:35 < zyp> most asian cars are still sold with type 1 here
2018-05-20T01:02:49 < englishman> the copper will cost more than the charger
2018-05-20T01:03:07 < zyp> as for the levels, I don't really have much relationship to that, we don't use that terminology here
2018-05-20T01:03:26 < zyp> but I guess that's because we don't have split-phase supplies here
2018-05-20T01:03:39 < zyp> I guess 110V is level 1 and 220V is level 2?
2018-05-20T01:03:43 < englishman> pretty much yes
2018-05-20T01:03:46 < branjb> the dust boot for my CNC turned out well: https://imgur.com/a/0z77Vba
2018-05-20T01:04:01 < englishman> with level 2 meaning at least 3.3kW but more commonly 6.6kW / 48A@240
2018-05-20T01:04:38 < zyp> chargers here usually come in single or three phase, 16A or 32A, giving 3.7kW, 7.2kW, 11kW and 22kW options
2018-05-20T01:04:47 < englishman> nice
2018-05-20T01:04:53 < zyp> usually called just that
2018-05-20T01:05:03 < englishman> i might have to start worrying about the main panel
2018-05-20T01:05:06 < qyx> thnks god for 3phase in the EU
2018-05-20T01:05:06 < englishman> only 200A supply
2018-05-20T01:05:13 < englishman> 120A to the central furnace
2018-05-20T01:05:16 < englishman> 60A to the hot tub
2018-05-20T01:05:18 < zyp> my car can't make use of more than 1x16A either way though
2018-05-20T01:05:21 < qyx> I can't imagine such thick cables
2018-05-20T01:05:25 < zyp> i.e. 3.7kW
2018-05-20T01:05:29 < branjb> englishman living the balling lifestyle
2018-05-20T01:06:28 < zyp> and to be honest, I don't really have a need for more than 3.7kW anyway
2018-05-20T01:09:14 < Laurenceb_> seashells likes her hot tub
2018-05-20T01:09:25 < Laurenceb_> englishman should visit her
2018-05-20T01:10:17 < englishman> do you have a smart one that records energy?
2018-05-20T01:10:41 < zyp> not yet, but I'm making one :p
2018-05-20T01:10:50 < englishman> right :)
2018-05-20T01:11:11 < zyp> that's what the edison would have went into if I bothered finishing the design before it got EOLed
2018-05-20T01:11:53 < englishman> hmm well running 240v 20A will be much cheaper and more useful than running 50A
2018-05-20T01:12:08 < zyp> yeah, and plenty
2018-05-20T01:12:28 < englishman> https://www.ebay.ca/itm/GM-Volt-Nissan-LEAF-Level-2-Electric-Car-Charger-220-volt-16-amp-6-20-plug/152593437353
2018-05-20T01:12:59 < zyp> unless you have a usage pattern where you're coming home empty and then taking off again two hours later regularly, you won't really benefit from more power than 3-4 kW or so
2018-05-20T01:13:24 < zyp> considering the size of the battery
2018-05-20T01:13:25 < englishman> the trickle will probably be fine, but 3.3kW should cover somewhat more use cases
2018-05-20T01:13:51 < zyp> on the other hand, when investing in a charging system, it might be a good idea to think ahead
2018-05-20T01:14:47 < zyp> I'm renting here I live now, so I didn't see any point in paying for more than I can make use of right now, so I only got 1x16A installed
2018-05-20T01:14:49 < englishman> well, the part of the house where the power enters, and the panel is, and the small garage where the car is, will all be knocked down in the next 2 years
2018-05-20T01:15:44 < englishman> so running some 12-3 out to the garage for $100 should suffice for now
2018-05-20T01:15:48 < zyp> but for the new house, I'm planning to ask for a 3x16A circuit, shared between two outlets
2018-05-20T01:16:20 < zyp> short term that'll be used to charge the two cars with 1x16A from one phase each
2018-05-20T01:16:25 < englishman> getting a house built?
2018-05-20T01:16:43 < zyp> yeah, signed contract and all a couple of weeks ago
2018-05-20T01:16:46 < englishman> nice
2018-05-20T01:17:12 < sync> why no 32A outlet?
2018-05-20T01:17:27 < zyp> 1x32 or 3x32?
2018-05-20T01:18:31 < sync> 3x obv
2018-05-20T01:18:49 < qyx> what for, we have 3x50A 400V at parents house and it is almost not used
2018-05-20T01:18:54 < qyx> incl the 3x32A outlets
2018-05-20T01:19:27 < zyp> sync, dedicated for charging?
2018-05-20T01:19:37 < englishman> two EVs and one sauna
2018-05-20T01:20:01 < sync> yeah zyp, or whatever needs more than 16A
2018-05-20T01:20:06 < englishman> hmm crap thats true the sauna will need another circuit
2018-05-20T01:22:23 < sync> I would probably have a 63A CEE and a pdu for shit after it
2018-05-20T01:22:48 < zyp> sync, my plan is to have 3x32A or so out to a subpanel in the outdoor storage behind the carport, whatever that's called in english, and then branch off the charging circuit from that, along with any 32A outputs or whatever I need
2018-05-20T01:23:08 < zyp> 63A is probably more than what the main input breaker for the house will be :p
2018-05-20T01:23:28 < sync> wat
2018-05-20T01:23:47 < sync> where I'm at I have a 200A supply
2018-05-20T01:23:51 < sync> for no apparent reason
2018-05-20T01:24:35 < qyx> here it is not common anymore, they started charging a "reservation" fee or how is it called
2018-05-20T01:24:47 < qyx> the constant fee you have to pay even if no electricity is consumed
2018-05-20T01:25:02 < zyp> at the plot where they'll build the house, there's a 4G25mm2 AL cable coming out of the ground
2018-05-20T01:25:06 < qyx> and it is fairly high for high valued breakers
2018-05-20T01:25:25 < zyp> which I think they usually fuse with 50A or 56A
2018-05-20T01:25:31 < sync> D:
2018-05-20T01:25:41 < sync> nah, that would not really work for me
2018-05-20T01:26:01 < zyp> well, duh, nothing that's not insanely overspecced ever works for you :p
2018-05-20T01:26:10 < sync> that is true
2018-05-20T01:26:15 < englishman> https://www.amazon.ca/Charger-200V-240V-meters-Electric-Vehicle/dp/B07537JBN6
2018-05-20T01:26:19 < englishman> damn amazon has everything now
2018-05-20T01:26:27 < sync> but I sometimes need the electricity
2018-05-20T01:26:54 < englishman> qyx, here that fee starts at above 50kW only happily
2018-05-20T01:26:54 < sync> even my flat has 3x63A service
2018-05-20T01:27:26 < zyp> I've got 3x40A in the flat where I live now
2018-05-20T01:27:35 < zyp> previous flat had 1x63A
2018-05-20T01:27:58 < qyx> uh, 1x25A or 1x32A for flats here
2018-05-20T01:28:35 < zyp> that sounds low again :p
2018-05-20T01:28:51 < englishman> how are you supposed to run a buttcoin farm on that
2018-05-20T01:28:56 < qyx> idk
2018-05-20T01:29:01 < zyp> but then again I guess you have gas stoves usually?
2018-05-20T01:29:06 < qyx> I'll have 1x16A in my offgrid house
2018-05-20T01:29:18 < qyx> central heating usually in flats
2018-05-20T01:29:41 < qyx> yes, natural gas if available
2018-05-20T01:29:41 < zyp> here, everybody got electric stoves
2018-05-20T01:29:56 < qyx> meh, you have surplus of water energy
2018-05-20T01:30:03 < zyp> true
2018-05-20T01:30:04 < sync> yeah but those are common with 16A here
2018-05-20T01:30:06 < sync> now
2018-05-20T01:30:08 < sync> and they suck
2018-05-20T01:30:18 < zyp> sync, what does?
2018-05-20T01:30:27 < zyp> 16A for a stove?
2018-05-20T01:30:29 < sync> electric stove tops
2018-05-20T01:31:14 < zyp> that doesn't sound very useful
2018-05-20T01:31:20 < sync> yes
2018-05-20T01:31:43 < zyp> here people run a dedicated 25A or 32A for an induction cooktop, and a separate 16A for the oven
2018-05-20T01:31:53 < sync> I have 3x32 to mine
2018-05-20T01:32:09 < sync> + 3x20 for my on demand water heater
2018-05-20T01:32:17 < sync> and the rest for plugs and shit
2018-05-20T01:32:26 < sync> which makes 63A not unreasonable
2018-05-20T01:33:31 < zyp> we don't have a standardized three phase outlet for cooktops here due to the commonness of IT nets (three phase delta)
2018-05-20T01:33:38 < zyp> i.e. three phase without neutral
2018-05-20T01:33:48 < sync> yes, mine is also without neutral
2018-05-20T01:33:53 < sync> just 4 wires
2018-05-20T01:33:59 < zyp> but 400V, right?
2018-05-20T01:33:59 < sync> into a screw terminal
2018-05-20T01:34:02 < sync> yes
2018-05-20T01:34:12 < zyp> IT networks are 230V delta
2018-05-20T01:34:20 < sync> yes
2018-05-20T01:34:43 < zyp> which is different from 400V wye
2018-05-20T01:34:56 < qyx> isnt it TN-C 4pole?
2018-05-20T01:35:03 < sync> yeah, I never understood why you guys did it that way
2018-05-20T01:35:11 < zyp> qyx, newer stuff are TN
2018-05-20T01:35:16 < zyp> sync, me neither
2018-05-20T01:35:22 < sync> I mean, yes, I know the history and the reasoning
2018-05-20T01:35:25 < sync> but why
2018-05-20T01:35:26 < sync> :D
2018-05-20T01:35:38 < zyp> I'm just glad people have come to their senses now :p
2018-05-20T01:35:55 < zyp> I got TN where I live now and new house will also have TN
2018-05-20T01:37:10 < sync> yeah, now you only need some proper amps and it will be all good
2018-05-20T01:37:16 < zyp> haha
2018-05-20T01:37:22 < zyp> what do you use all that power for?
2018-05-20T01:37:41 < englishman> compiling openocd to work on stm32
2018-05-20T01:38:06 < sync> as I said, the 200A serivce, no idea why we have it here
2018-05-20T01:38:11 < qyx> wht, running it on the stm32?
2018-05-20T01:38:16 < sync> but 63A is quite reasonable or even a bit more
2018-05-20T01:38:34 < sync> I guess because my grandpa was a lineman/electrician
2018-05-20T01:38:53 < sync> and he put in his connection himself
2018-05-20T01:39:01 < qyx> https://imgur.com/a/kCFRYgW
2018-05-20T01:39:05 < qyx> finally finished my VLF preamp
2018-05-20T01:39:39 < qyx> but too much interference in the flat now, I have to try outdoors tomorrow
2018-05-20T01:41:31 < sync> want to listen to the big sparking wheel in sweden?
2018-05-20T01:42:33 < zyp> hmm, I looked at power usage statistics
2018-05-20T01:43:33 < zyp> I only have hourly averages, peak hourly average for the past few weeks is 6 kW
2018-05-20T01:44:08 < qyx> whats the big sparking wheel
2018-05-20T01:44:11 < zyp> seems like peak hourly average so far this year is 9 kW
2018-05-20T01:44:14 < sync> grimeton
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2018-05-20T01:44:48 < sync> the sparkgap vlf transmitter in sweden
2018-05-20T01:45:19 < zyp> 3x40A is 27.6 kW
2018-05-20T01:45:39 < zyp> i.e. three times even peak hourly average
2018-05-20T01:45:42 < sync> yeah my avg is also quite low, but you cannot really go over your rated input current easily...
2018-05-20T01:46:12 < zyp> sure, but when would I even need to?
2018-05-20T01:47:03 < sync> when you are charging your car at full tilt, baking something and you take a shower?
2018-05-20T01:47:12 < zyp> besides, there's talk about a change to the payment structure
2018-05-20T01:48:25 < qyx> sync: they say the 17.2kHz VLF is generated by a multipole generator
2018-05-20T01:48:32 < qyx> interesting stuff, thanks
2018-05-20T01:48:43 < zyp> right now, grid fees are a fixed monthly component plus a charge per kWh consumed
2018-05-20T01:48:52 < qyx> I should try, 2. June is coming
2018-05-20T01:49:14 < zyp> it sounds like in the future they'll add a component based on peak consumption per month as well, so that people straining the grid more pays more
2018-05-20T01:49:41 < zyp> which sounds fair enough to me
2018-05-20T01:49:51 < sync> industry had this here forever
2018-05-20T01:49:55 < zyp> sure
2018-05-20T01:50:15 < zyp> fixed monthly component already depends on input breaker size
2018-05-20T01:50:22 < sync> I don't really see a benefit for regular customers tho
2018-05-20T01:50:33 < zyp> but I think it's the same for anything up to 63A or 85A or something
2018-05-20T01:51:39 < zyp> the benefit is that you can squeeze more out of the grid without investing in upgrades if it's loaded more evenly
2018-05-20T01:52:25 < zyp> and scheduling loads more intelligently is not hard
2018-05-20T01:52:39 < sync> not really, as they still can only overprovision so far
2018-05-20T01:52:56 < zyp> sync, regarding showers, do you normally have hot water tanks or flow-through water heaters?
2018-05-20T01:53:05 < sync> well yeah, but people are still gonna turn on their stoves and showers at the same time
2018-05-20T01:53:12 < sync> it depends
2018-05-20T01:53:26 < zyp> most people here have hot water tanks, very few have the latter
2018-05-20T01:53:31 < sync> I have an on demand heater
2018-05-20T01:53:41 < sync> a shitload of people also have gas heated tanks
2018-05-20T01:53:56 < BrainDamage> 35kW flow though gas heater masterrace
2018-05-20T01:53:58 < zyp> we don't have a gas network here
2018-05-20T01:54:07 < zyp> so those are not very interesting to me :p
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2018-05-20T01:54:31 < zyp> hot water tanks are what's common here, and they are easy to schedule
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2018-05-20T01:54:54 < BrainDamage> despite having a gas network, electric hot water tanks are still common here
2018-05-20T01:55:27 < sync> yeah tanks are easy to schedule, true
2018-05-20T01:55:30 < zyp> after taking a shower, you don't really need to heat up the tank completely right away
2018-05-20T01:55:41 < zyp> same with electric cars, they are also easy to schedule
2018-05-20T01:55:44 < sync> what if somebody else wants to take a shower
2018-05-20T01:56:11 < BrainDamage> they generally have enough water for 2-3 showers
2018-05-20T01:56:24 < BrainDamage> it's only at the third that the water temp dwindles
2018-05-20T01:56:28 < zyp> tanks take hours to heat up either way, if you manage to drain it and have to wait, your tank is not big enough
2018-05-20T01:56:51 < sync> had it happen often enough, but yeah
2018-05-20T01:57:16 < zyp> and if it takes half an hour more or less because you decided to cook dinner in between, it doesn't really make a difference in practice
2018-05-20T01:57:45 < zyp> same shit goes for car charging, as long as the car is full in the morning I'm generally happy
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2018-05-20T01:59:12 < sync> yeah
2018-05-20T01:59:25 < sync> for tanks and cars I can see it
2018-05-20T02:00:22 < zyp> what other big loads do you have?
2018-05-20T02:00:42 < BrainDamage> <insert mandatory big load joke>
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2018-05-20T02:01:58 < zyp> I think if you just schedule tanks and cars around the other loads to keep the average down, peak load can be limited quite a bit
2018-05-20T02:02:20 < sync> I have some hvac equipment that needs a shitload of power, my log splitter, welder and stuff like that
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2018-05-20T02:03:10 < zyp> power tools are usually pretty concentrated, i.e. short term
2018-05-20T02:03:20 < zyp> even monthly peak is hour average AFAIK
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2018-05-20T02:05:23 < stvn> tgei have gadkjgeg
2018-05-20T02:05:57 < sync> yeah but I don't really want to limit myself in what I can run
2018-05-20T02:06:39 < zyp> sure
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2018-05-20T02:09:14 < stvn> also hi 
2018-05-20T02:09:56 < bitmask> sweet, got a 1$ roll of cheap PLA from a facebook group
2018-05-20T02:10:12 < zyp> haha, $1
2018-05-20T02:11:05 < bitmask> its a promotion, they are giving away 240 rolls, every 12 hours the first 25 people to say their country and color (only black or white) get it
2018-05-20T02:11:29 < sync> but yeah you will be fine with 50A most likely, I would probably as well, but meh
2018-05-20T02:11:35 < bitmask> I missed round one but was first comment for round 2
2018-05-20T02:11:53 < zyp> sync, :)
2018-05-20T02:13:58 < sync> I have been over it a few times, so eh
2018-05-20T02:14:19 < sync> and it is hard to change after the fact
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2018-05-20T02:16:05 < zyp> considering there's already a 4G25mm2 AL in place, I'd need a pretty solid reason to ask for more
2018-05-20T02:19:11 < stvn> elon musk hard at work https://i.imgur.com/S8xDwU2.jpg
2018-05-20T02:19:35 < zyp> wat
2018-05-20T02:19:51 < zyp> stvn, explain
2018-05-20T02:20:01 < stvn> working on the hyperloop i'd assume ;)
2018-05-20T02:20:03 < zyp> not the joke, but wtf that drawing is
2018-05-20T02:20:07 < sync> not being able to have a 63A socket would be a big reason for me
2018-05-20T02:20:17 < sync> or rather not being able to max it out
2018-05-20T02:20:28 < sync> zyp: it is to survive in a gas attack or fire
2018-05-20T02:20:35 < stvn> :D
2018-05-20T02:20:39 < sync> by breathing the "clean" air in the sewers
2018-05-20T02:21:33 < BrainDamage> pretty sure your gag reflex would make that espedient moot
2018-05-20T02:23:21 < sync> but 25mm² can take over 85A so that is fine
2018-05-20T02:23:29 < sync> that is why it has a filter BrainDamage 
2018-05-20T02:23:44 < englishman> he wants to do a breathing-fire bar trick but because he only has an electric lighter, has no lighter fluid handy so is instead using explosive sewage gases for the trick
2018-05-20T02:23:54 < zyp> sync, even AL?
2018-05-20T02:24:07 < sync> yes
2018-05-20T02:25:16 < sync> it suprises me a little that they are putting in Al
2018-05-20T02:25:23 < sync> here most everything is Cu
2018-05-20T02:27:06 < zyp> Al is cheaper
2018-05-20T02:27:16 < zyp> what surprised me was that it's only 25mm2
2018-05-20T02:27:44 < zyp> it looks a lot thinner than the stuff I remembered dealing with when I worked as an electrician
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2018-05-20T02:28:37 < zyp> but that makes sense enough, everything residential where I worked was IT
2018-05-20T02:28:46 < zyp> TN has 1.73 times more power at the same current
2018-05-20T02:29:18 < zyp> pretty sure we usually ran 50mm2 Al where I worked
2018-05-20T02:34:16 < sync> oh, interesting
2018-05-20T02:34:36 < sync> I have never seen people testing fuses with a meter while energized
2018-05-20T02:34:58 < zyp> testing what?
2018-05-20T02:35:43 < sync> input fuses to an hvac unit
2018-05-20T02:35:53 < sync> for conductivity
2018-05-20T02:36:20 < zyp> uh, why?
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2018-05-20T02:37:06 < zyp> just to confirm it works after installation, or as part of tracking down an issue?
2018-05-20T02:37:23 < zyp> I've done the latter, the former sounds pretty pointless
2018-05-20T02:38:17 < sync> the latter
2018-05-20T02:38:30 < sync> yeah same, just never with the unit not isolated
2018-05-20T02:40:52 < sync> I'd be worried that something asplod on me
2018-05-20T02:43:06 < zyp> why? just measure the voltage across the fuse, if it's nonzero, you don't have conduction through the fuse
2018-05-20T02:43:22 < sync> nah, he had the meter in beep mode
2018-05-20T02:43:51 < zyp> meter is rated for that just fine, but results might vary
2018-05-20T02:45:42 < sync> yeah, it is rated for it, but I don't think it has to withstand that without damage
2018-05-20T02:46:56 < zyp> sure it does, electricians forget their meter in the wrong mode all the time, feeding live 230V into conductivity metering is harmless
2018-05-20T02:47:29 < zyp> just don't forget the leads connected to the current inputs when measuring voltage :p
2018-05-20T02:47:37 < sync> yes
2018-05-20T02:47:54 < sync> I guess I'm expecting too much from meter users
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2018-05-20T03:29:33 < Cracki> at most there's a fuse in the meter that blows
2018-05-20T03:41:54 < Laurenceb_> E M  D R I V E
2018-05-20T03:45:23 < stvn> grab one today!
2018-05-20T03:48:37 < Laurenceb_> orbo powered
2018-05-20T03:48:57 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steorn#Orbo_phone_charger
2018-05-20T03:49:23 < Laurenceb_> > the Cube
2018-05-20T03:49:33 < Laurenceb_> Bushworld adventures is real
2018-05-20T03:50:10 < stvn> it is
2018-05-20T03:50:53 < Laurenceb_> just pay 1200 euros
2018-05-20T03:51:08 < Laurenceb_> and the free energy cube will ship to you... at some point
2018-05-20T03:52:15 < stvn> ok where do i pay
2018-05-20T03:52:21 < stvn> i'll buy 2
2018-05-20T03:53:08 < Laurenceb_> >Steorn went bankrupt in 2017
2018-05-20T03:55:11 < stvn> how could they go bankrupt with such an innovative product
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2018-05-20T03:58:47 < stvn> the redpill
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2018-05-20T04:14:03 < R0b0t1`> Anyone been keeping an eye on USB3 stuff in microcontrollers
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2018-05-20T04:34:28 < Cracki> such as?
2018-05-20T04:34:37 < Cracki> fx3?
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2018-05-20T05:34:38 < R0b0t1`> Cracki: Well is there anything besides that
2018-05-20T05:34:43 < R0b0t1`> That is about the only product I have ever found
2018-05-20T05:45:27 < aandrew> I have not seen any micros with native USB3 capability. it's far too fast for most micros
2018-05-20T05:53:21 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/0axwGSZ.gifv
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2018-05-20T06:04:37 < aandrew> I didn't figure you to be that hairy
2018-05-20T06:26:05 < stvn> hmm
2018-05-20T06:26:24 < stvn> im sure that thing is off some movie
2018-05-20T06:28:46 < stvn> i've never watched a star wars movie
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2018-05-20T07:20:12 < R0b0t1`> aandrew: I barely see it even with Cortex-A parts
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2018-05-20T08:06:35 < nnn7> Ebem
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2018-05-20T08:26:09 < dongs> mitrax: i donno it seemed higly rated but yeah
2018-05-20T08:26:16 < dongs> such unfunny garbage
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2018-05-20T08:34:28 < dongs> We understand some people are tired of ICOs and don’t want to buy any tokens, but consider the sexService idea great. If you are among them, transfer some coins to these addresses to help the growth:
2018-05-20T08:34:46 < dongs> just when i saw another retarded buttchain ad
2018-05-20T08:34:55 < dongs> and thought if there are already whores on blockchain
2018-05-20T08:40:31 < R0b0t1> USB-C is still inscrutiable as well
2018-05-20T08:40:55 < dongs> the waht
2018-05-20T08:40:56 < R0b0t1> dongs: How can a person be on the blockchain?
2018-05-20T08:41:07 < dongs> who fuckkng knows
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2018-05-20T08:48:10 < dongs> buttchain is the solution for everything
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2018-05-20T09:10:31 < stvn> blockchain.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F0Xx-oQKsU
2018-05-20T09:15:03 < dongs> lunch time
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2018-05-20T10:20:56 < stvn> Say mate, you couldn't do us a massive favour could ya? what it is right, me nan lives over in Bentley like... & me brothers just got out of jail... and you see i need to get the bus, to go and get him picked up from.. the train station, cuz he's just come back from Yorkshire where we off, we've come back anyways & have you got 20p mate? dickhead.
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2018-05-20T11:12:10 < Hamilton> hi stvn 
2018-05-20T11:12:24 < stvn> hello
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2018-05-20T13:13:31 < Steffanx> Welcome stvn
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2018-05-20T13:32:57 < stvn> ty
2018-05-20T13:33:01 < stvn> hi stffn
2018-05-20T13:50:16 < Steffanx> lo
2018-05-20T13:52:41 < Hamilton> Steffanx, hi
2018-05-20T13:52:46 < Hamilton> what does "lo" mean?
2018-05-20T13:53:31 < BrainDamage> high -> hi, low -> lo
2018-05-20T13:54:34 < Hamilton> BrainDamage, so he just randomly said the value of a digital signal/
2018-05-20T13:54:38 < Hamilton> ?
2018-05-20T13:55:22 < BrainDamage> it's just a shitty pun
2018-05-20T13:55:31 < Steffanx> It's also just short for Hello.
2018-05-20T13:56:41 < Steffanx> Say "Hello" fast and it'll probably sound much like "Lo".
2018-05-20T13:57:40 < Hamilton> Steffanx, insert "I don't know rick, that sounds lame" meme 
2018-05-20T13:57:53 < Steffanx> whatever that meme is. i dont meme
2018-05-20T13:58:11 < Hamilton> In here, meme does you
2018-05-20T14:04:10 < stvn> who left the fucking nigger door open again?
2018-05-20T14:05:42 < Hamilton> stvn, It's cold in there?
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2018-05-20T14:27:40 < stvn> That man of the african-american variety has acquired my two-wheeled mode of transportation ilegally
2018-05-20T14:32:37 < Hamilton> stvn, someone robbed you? :\
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2018-05-20T14:42:45 < stvn> yeah
2018-05-20T14:47:31 < stvn> i caught some of it on cctv hamilton
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2018-05-20T15:01:42 < Steffanx> ¿
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2018-05-20T15:07:18 < PeterM> so, whats happened in the past... year?
2018-05-20T15:07:43 < PeterM> is Laurenceb still not funny?
2018-05-20T15:07:46 < Steffanx> lol PeterM is alive :o
2018-05-20T15:07:51 < Steffanx> same old, PeterM
2018-05-20T15:08:04 < Steffanx> Welcome. Stvn and i missed you,.
2018-05-20T15:08:25 < stvn> welcome
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2018-05-20T15:08:50 < stvn> we even have mitrax back
2018-05-20T15:08:50 < Steffanx> lol
2018-05-20T15:08:52 < stvn> well
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2018-05-20T15:09:04 < stvn> I'm going to open up my own sex dungeon and have this be the music that blasts constantly
2018-05-20T15:09:12 < stvn> thats a good youtube comment
2018-05-20T15:09:24 < Peter_M> nice
2018-05-20T15:09:34 < Peter_M> sorry just switched clients
2018-05-20T15:10:07 < stvn> Laurence still posts stuff nobody understands
2018-05-20T15:10:09 < Peter_M> yeah, been busy, i missed the channel, thought i'd check in
2018-05-20T15:10:28 < stvn> tell us peter news
2018-05-20T15:10:34 < Peter_M> has he been arrested?
2018-05-20T15:10:40 < Steffanx> Not yet.
2018-05-20T15:11:17 < Peter_M> busy at uni, went back to uni to do mech eng, shashing it
2018-05-20T15:11:22 < Peter_M> *smashing
2018-05-20T15:11:42 < Peter_M> helped a mate build a car
2018-05-20T15:11:53 < Peter_M> done lots of sidework here adn there
2018-05-20T15:12:31 < Peter_M> finished off a few projects, stayed out of police custody
2018-05-20T15:13:32 < Steffanx> whats next? A rockoon? This LB guy needs help
2018-05-20T15:13:41 < Peter_M> fuck that
2018-05-20T15:13:42 < stvn> :D
2018-05-20T15:16:53 < Peter_M> still blowing up amps stvn?
2018-05-20T15:17:13 < Peter_M> erm... i mean fixing
2018-05-20T15:17:15 < stvn> nope
2018-05-20T15:17:24 < stvn> and nope
2018-05-20T15:17:28 < Peter_M> do tell
2018-05-20T15:17:43 < Steffanx> Damn, were you THAT long away mr Peter_M?
2018-05-20T15:17:46 < stvn> got sick of the cunt i started the company with
2018-05-20T15:18:23 < Peter_M> probably have been in for a few days but yeah, probably
2018-05-20T15:18:25 < stvn> basically walked into an EE job
2018-05-20T15:18:32 < Peter_M> noice!
2018-05-20T15:18:43 < stvn> and that's the end of that
2018-05-20T15:19:08 < Peter_M> what kidna ee work, jsut a design house or for a specific company?
2018-05-20T15:19:09 < stvn> if there was a drug that would make me forget the last 15 months it'd be perfect... sure that'll come with time :D
2018-05-20T15:19:18 < stvn> specific company
2018-05-20T15:20:08 < Peter_M> pay well, reasonable hours and not make you want to go on a rampage?
2018-05-20T15:20:19 < stvn> exactly
2018-05-20T15:20:36 < Peter_M> thats more than most people get, nice
2018-05-20T15:21:16 < Steffanx> Too bad stvn is still a teapot.
2018-05-20T15:21:43 < stvn> i convinced steffan aussies call crazy people teapots
2018-05-20T15:21:44 < Peter_M> stleast hes not a nazi pug owner
2018-05-20T15:21:50 < stvn> lol
2018-05-20T15:22:02 < Steffanx> i already figured only you do that stvn
2018-05-20T15:22:10 < Steffanx> no other aussie seems to know it
2018-05-20T15:22:11 < Peter_M> they are teapots, tea pots or fruitcakes
2018-05-20T15:22:11 < stvn> :]
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2018-05-20T15:23:56 < Peter_M> since i was away over christmas, i gota ask, did anyone lose their life savings to buttcoin over christmas?
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2018-05-20T15:25:26 < stvn> nobody does buttcoin
2018-05-20T15:25:46 < Steffanx> ##stm32 does.
2018-05-20T15:25:58 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113572.png
2018-05-20T15:26:24 < Steffanx> Stop reuploading 4chan crap Laurenceb_. 
2018-05-20T15:26:33 < Peter_M> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/Laurenceb.txt
2018-05-20T15:26:52 < Laurenceb_> ^ *triggered*
2018-05-20T15:27:45 < Laurenceb_> Peter_M confirmed as having copypasta hotkey
2018-05-20T15:28:03 < kakimir> internet professor Laurenceb_
2018-05-20T15:28:03 < Peter_M> yeah, i thought if anyone would lose their life savings to buttcoin it would be someone in ##stm32 i guess not htough
2018-05-20T15:28:19 < Peter_M> kakimir, are you normal/sane again?
2018-05-20T15:28:31 < Laurenceb_> >kakimir  >normal
2018-05-20T15:28:40 < kakimir> sanity
2018-05-20T15:28:44 < Peter_M>  pot> kettle >plack
2018-05-20T15:28:51 < Peter_M> black even
2018-05-20T15:28:58 < kakimir> such a vague concept
2018-05-20T15:29:15 < stvn> lol
2018-05-20T15:29:33 < Steffanx> imho you did get more sane since your real job kakimir :P
2018-05-20T15:29:45 < kakimir> it's because I have less ircs
2018-05-20T15:29:54 < Steffanx> didnt notice that.
2018-05-20T15:30:03 < Peter_M> has englishman become a fulltiem farmer and given up on electronics?
2018-05-20T15:30:16 < Steffanx> Fulltime foxconner.
2018-05-20T15:30:26 < Peter_M> aww sheeet
2018-05-20T15:30:27 < kakimir> I still have to figure out what part of my work is "real"
2018-05-20T15:30:30 < kakimir> for me
2018-05-20T15:30:42 < Laurenceb_> for you
2018-05-20T15:30:43 < Steffanx> he even sold his soul to microchip PIC.
2018-05-20T15:30:50 < Peter_M> and aandrew finished house and moved in?
2018-05-20T15:30:53 < kakimir> it's not the money I can tell
2018-05-20T15:30:54 < Laurenceb_> you're a big guy
2018-05-20T15:31:34 < Steffanx> You get paid in monopoly cash, kakimir?
2018-05-20T15:32:03 < Peter_M> fulltime foxconner ey? 
2018-05-20T15:32:07 < kakimir> I feel like that about money generally
2018-05-20T15:32:24 < kakimir> merelly a symbolic value
2018-05-20T15:32:43 < Peter_M> is the gay russian who is  in denial still active?
2018-05-20T15:32:57 < Steffanx> not really active. Around, but not active.
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2018-05-20T15:33:12 < Steffanx> Still mad about the ban he got
2018-05-20T15:33:34 < Peter_M> butt hurt, happens when youre homosexual
2018-05-20T15:33:54 < Steffanx> lol, i didnt see it that way yet
2018-05-20T15:34:12 < Steffanx> You know he's around uh? AreTooCommie.
2018-05-20T15:34:21 < kakimir> Leelominai?
2018-05-20T15:34:37 < Steffanx> No she is actually not around anymore.
2018-05-20T15:34:42 < Laurenceb_> >she
2018-05-20T15:34:44 < Steffanx> but you know that
2018-05-20T15:34:47 < kakimir> >>she
2018-05-20T15:35:07 < Laurenceb_> actually it could be a grrrl, maybe Leelominai is seashells
2018-05-20T15:35:10 < Steffanx> unfunny Laurenceb_ and kakimeme.
2018-05-20T15:35:16 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-20T15:35:19 < Peter_M> and i notice tehre is ReadError and ReadErr in here, i guess he was so busy cloning he cloned himself?
2018-05-20T15:35:20 < Laurenceb_> only known female on irc
2018-05-20T15:35:21 < kakimir> it's unfunny sunday today
2018-05-20T15:35:58 < kakimir> me and laurence are going to have unfunny blast in ircs
2018-05-20T15:36:07 < Laurenceb_> http://ssi.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ep_seashells_gary.jpg
2018-05-20T15:36:10 < Laurenceb_> le sexy lady
2018-05-20T15:36:26 < Laurenceb_> also
2018-05-20T15:36:40 < Laurenceb_> >two biggest irc shitposters of all tiem in one shot
2018-05-20T15:37:01 < stvn> oh yeah
2018-05-20T15:37:05 < Steffanx> Do you really want me to edit that photo and add you to the pic Laurenceb_?
2018-05-20T15:37:13 < Laurenceb_> kek
2018-05-20T15:37:19 < Steffanx> otherwise your statement is just incorrect.
2018-05-20T15:37:34 < Peter_M> i'll tell you what brings me back, i was looking for LDOs and only knew one place wiht a good concise list.,..
2018-05-20T15:37:37 < Peter_M> zypsnips
2018-05-20T15:37:40 < stvn> where is leeloo
2018-05-20T15:37:50 < Steffanx>  /query LeelooMinai
2018-05-20T15:37:56 < stvn> nty
2018-05-20T15:38:02 < Laurenceb_> stvn confirmed as thirsty beta
2018-05-20T15:38:10 < stvn> n
2018-05-20T15:38:22 < stvn> steffan did the best thing ever
2018-05-20T15:38:27 < Peter_M> has upgrdman moved to china yet?
2018-05-20T15:38:33 < Steffanx> uh what did i do stvn?
2018-05-20T15:38:41 < stvn> after days of dongs firing off at leeloo, steffan banned leeloo
2018-05-20T15:38:49 < stvn> lul
2018-05-20T15:38:52 < Peter_M> lol
2018-05-20T15:38:56 < Steffanx> no this is the best thing i did: https://imgur.com/a/xh0xR
2018-05-20T15:39:13 < Peter_M> thats  pretty good
2018-05-20T15:40:11 < Peter_M> far out its getting cold, why does it do this every year!?'
2018-05-20T15:41:05 < Peter_M> does google still spam the logs of ##stm32?
2018-05-20T15:41:08 < Peter_M> *ohsix
2018-05-20T15:43:12 < Steffanx> no ohsix does not talk much no more.
2018-05-20T15:43:20 < Steffanx> idk why.
2018-05-20T15:49:12 < Peter_M> got him on mute? i find that helps
2018-05-20T15:49:25 < Steffanx> nope
2018-05-20T15:49:48 < Peter_M> well im out of ideas
2018-05-20T15:50:06 < Peter_M> has zyp bought a tesla yet?
2018-05-20T15:52:15 < Peter_M> just skimming through zypsnips, rip dongs 0402 sample book
2018-05-20T15:52:16 < stvn> lol
2018-05-20T15:54:12 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113577.png
2018-05-20T15:55:13 < Peter_M> http://i.imgur.com/eqNYHZ3.png
2018-05-20T15:56:12 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113578.png
2018-05-20T15:56:24 < Laurenceb_> dongs spotted
2018-05-20T15:57:54 < Peter_M> i thought dongs was more http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwfeatures/wm/live/1280_720/images/live/p0/1q/qz/p01qqzhg.jpg
2018-05-20T15:58:19 < Laurenceb_> nice exposure
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2018-05-20T16:50:55 < englishman> omg Peter_M 
2018-05-20T16:50:57 < englishman> is here
2018-05-20T16:52:37 < englishman> Peter_M smashing it
2018-05-20T16:52:44 < englishman> Peter_M is back to school
2018-05-20T16:53:47 < englishman> pee term
2018-05-20T16:53:55 < englishman> yes Peter_M the kitten ranch is in full swing
2018-05-20T16:54:12 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/xzKqt5Z.jpg?1
2018-05-20T16:55:09 < Steffanx> Still like the niggefied englishman 
2018-05-20T16:57:45 < bitmask> confirmed! I won a roll of white pla for $1
2018-05-20T16:58:23 < BrainDamage> As in you rolled white pla within rolling paper and now you'll smoke it?
2018-05-20T16:58:45 < bitmask> pla gets you fucked up man
2018-05-20T16:59:22 < bitmask> man, my website does not handle window resizing well at all, I gotta find a way to fix that
2018-05-20T17:03:01 < Steffanx> Does bitmask still vape?
2018-05-20T17:03:09 < bitmask> nope
2018-05-20T17:03:18 < bitmask> havent in a long time
2018-05-20T17:03:35 < Steffanx> :)
2018-05-20T17:08:06 < kakimir> englishman, nice kitties
2018-05-20T17:08:22 < kakimir> new kitties?
2018-05-20T17:08:36 < englishman> mom and son
2018-05-20T17:08:37 < englishman> farm kitties
2018-05-20T17:09:49 < Steffanx> so how many kitties are there in englishland?
2018-05-20T17:11:53 < kakimir> 12
2018-05-20T17:12:15 < Steffanx> kakimir kept count?
2018-05-20T17:12:24 < BrainDamage> englishman is crazy cat lady?
2018-05-20T17:12:49 < bitmask> haha
2018-05-20T17:13:02 < bitmask> no one should have more than 2
2018-05-20T17:13:37 < aandrew> R0b0t1: yes, USB3.0 pretty much requires PCIex1 connectivity
2018-05-20T17:14:21 < Steffanx> I should disable nick colouring, for somr reason i stop reading the nick and just go by colour. Which doesotn work out well when multiple nick have the same colour.
2018-05-20T17:14:58 < BrainDamage> my problem instead is when a nick gets some small changes like _ suffixes and the colour completely changes
2018-05-20T17:15:11 < BrainDamage> and it creates a dichotomy in my head
2018-05-20T17:15:27 < Steffanx> and that too indeed.
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2018-05-20T17:17:20 < englishman> theres the 2 indoor cats of course plus a half dozen or so on the farm
2018-05-20T17:17:51 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/a5SeZEy.jpg
2018-05-20T17:18:57 < BrainDamage> do you farm them to plan to release them en-masse and conquer the local region?
2018-05-20T17:21:30 < englishman> they are working cats. they will be trained to tend to the animals
2018-05-20T17:21:35 < Laurenceb_> wildlife genocide confirmed
2018-05-20T17:26:36 < Steffanx> Do you sell/give away kitties too, englishman?
2018-05-20T17:28:25 < englishman> no you cant have em
2018-05-20T17:28:55 < Steffanx> I dont want a canuck cat, im just curious if canucks do that,
2018-05-20T17:31:21 < Steffanx> its that or in a bag with stones in the river.
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2018-05-20T17:32:36 < englishman> no these are high quality kitties
2018-05-20T17:32:43 < englishman> someone left some rabbits here on thursday tho
2018-05-20T17:32:45 < englishman> in a cage
2018-05-20T17:32:48 < englishman> fucking retarded people
2018-05-20T17:33:12 < englishman> id like to put them in a cage and leave them at a sausage factory
2018-05-20T17:33:57 < Steffanx> rabbit sausage. never heard of that
2018-05-20T17:34:29 < englishman> no. the people
2018-05-20T17:34:49 < englishman> that are dumb and cruel enough to leave animals wherever they please
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2018-05-20T17:35:04 < Steffanx> oh, but i googled and rabbit sausage seems to be a thing.
2018-05-20T17:35:04 < Laurenceb_> englishman: ##ascii think I'm a grrl
2018-05-20T17:35:11 < Laurenceb_> should I send fake nudes?
2018-05-20T17:35:21 < Steffanx> send real nudes, scare them away.
2018-05-20T17:35:55 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2018-05-20T17:36:41 < Steffanx> Youre no fun.
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2018-05-20T17:48:52 < englishman> PeterM: 
2018-05-20T17:51:17 < englishman> aww hell
2018-05-20T17:51:18 < englishman> Notify my Android is shut down
2018-05-20T17:51:18 < englishman> With great sadness, and after 8 years of operation, NMA will shutdown on May 24th. Due to unacceptably high risks introduced by the GDPR european regulation, and the majority of our users been europeans, we can't justify operations anymore.
2018-05-20T17:52:22 < englishman> what will i use now
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2018-05-20T17:54:59 < tct> what's NMA? is that like PushOver?
2018-05-20T17:59:35 < englishman> yeah looks like it
2018-05-20T17:59:39 < englishman> irssinotifier installed
2018-05-20T18:00:25 < Steffanx> and then PushOver shuts down
2018-05-20T18:01:26 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2018-05-20T18:01:30 < Laurenceb_> never heard of it
2018-05-20T18:01:40 < Laurenceb_> oh Notify My Android
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2018-05-20T18:12:47 < Cracki> R0b0t1, usb3... I see something from TI, from ftdi, several listings on digikey and mouser, ...
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2018-05-20T18:23:32 < BrainDamage> englishman: which means that their business was entirely based on selling user data
2018-05-20T18:24:15 < tct> I used PushOver back when I had no money to hire somebody who just tells me when something happens.
2018-05-20T18:24:27 < englishman> pretty much
2018-05-20T18:24:43 < englishman> take $5, sell you your own data
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2018-05-20T18:25:43 < tct> here you go, ##stm32: A professionally mounted & labeled emergency button: https://s7.postimg.cc/o3jn0z7aj/image.png
2018-05-20T18:26:04 < tct> the text is swiss german for basically "staph it!" (the text is ridiculous in swiss german too).
2018-05-20T18:26:31 < tct> you're welcome.
2018-05-20T18:26:32 < Steffanx> Thank you tct
2018-05-20T18:26:36 < BrainDamage> does the button actually switch the machine in high power mode?
2018-05-20T18:26:37 < tct> LOL
2018-05-20T18:27:03 < tct> nope, it just shuts down the axis motors
2018-05-20T18:27:21 < Steffanx> not even full break mode?
2018-05-20T18:28:06 < BrainDamage> i bet he replaces the screw head with a drilldo, and he needs the stop button in the case of emergencies, that's why only the axis
2018-05-20T18:28:16 < BrainDamage> you just stop when it's in the sweet spot
2018-05-20T18:28:48 < tct> that is not accurate.
2018-05-20T18:29:43 < Steffanx> i had to google and .. its even a read thing
2018-05-20T18:29:45 < Steffanx> A drilldo
2018-05-20T18:29:48 < Steffanx> daaamn, BrainDamage
2018-05-20T18:29:54 < Steffanx> Stop ruining my world view
2018-05-20T18:30:02 < tct> how could you not have known that
2018-05-20T18:30:14 < tct> http://i.imgur.com/bWavYI3.jpg
2018-05-20T18:30:37 < Steffanx> i dont remember seeing.
2018-05-20T18:30:42 < Steffanx> that
2018-05-20T18:30:53 < BrainDamage> during your couch sexy times?
2018-05-20T18:30:58 < tct> then you're living your life wrong
2018-05-20T18:31:08 < Steffanx> i mean in swisserland
2018-05-20T18:31:14 < Steffanx> what BrainDamage said
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2018-05-20T18:31:42 < tct> anyway, time to go back to drilldoing.
2018-05-20T18:31:45 < tct> cu internet.
2018-05-20T18:32:06 < Steffanx> have fun
2018-05-20T18:32:17 < tct> I will, Steffan, I will...
2018-05-20T18:33:50 < branjb> CNC dildo, operates with G code?
2018-05-20T18:35:23 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@unaffiliated/streaker] has joined ##stm32
2018-05-20T18:35:46 < tct> it's a G-Code derivation called G-Spot
2018-05-20T18:45:47 < branjb> G++
2018-05-20T18:52:00 < kakimir> ##sex32
2018-05-20T18:52:19  * Laurenceb_ found the MM nude videos
2018-05-20T18:52:21 < Laurenceb_> nasty
2018-05-20T18:52:23 < kakimir> I wonder if it's time to eat some kebob
2018-05-20T18:52:32 < kakimir> what is MM
2018-05-20T18:53:35 < branjb> that sloot who married the prince
2018-05-20T18:53:48 < Laurenceb_> why.jpg
2018-05-20T18:54:01 < Laurenceb_> so skanky
2018-05-20T18:54:08 < kakimir> shiet
2018-05-20T18:54:20 < kakimir> I wonder if I would like to see
2018-05-20T18:54:31 < branjb> I wonder if harry would like to see it
2018-05-20T18:55:01 < kakimir> I wonder if harry filmed it
2018-05-20T18:56:20 < kakimir> harry is harry
2018-05-20T18:56:29 < BrainDamage> harry potter
2018-05-20T18:58:25 < Steffanx> Laurence Harry Blaxter?
2018-05-20T19:25:05 < R0b0t1> Cracki: Link?
2018-05-20T19:25:16 < Cracki> google
2018-05-20T19:25:30 < Cracki> I don't keep such tabs open that long
2018-05-20T19:28:51 < Steffanx> wut you dont use the tabs as bookmarks?
2018-05-20T19:31:48 < Laurenceb_> tfw over 500 tabs open
2018-05-20T20:08:28 < branjb> #resist
2018-05-20T20:16:25 < Laurenceb_> ur ram will
2018-05-20T20:18:34 < Steffanx> ive only 5GB of 16 in use.
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2018-05-20T20:31:07 < Steffanx> Looking for some 100mm rod that is only threaded for like 40-50mm. Why such thing is so hard to find.
2018-05-20T20:37:00 < Cracki> would a bolt be good enough?
2018-05-20T20:37:07 < Cracki> cut off the head
2018-05-20T20:39:14 < Steffanx> yeah, would do, but i fail to find even a bolt like this. most its like 24mm threaded.
2018-05-20T20:40:13 < Steffanx> Time to get a lathe that can do it.
2018-05-20T20:41:01 < upgrdman> god damn it. two flat tires in 8 days. are there any bike innertubes that actually last? like kevlar reinforced or someshit
2018-05-20T20:42:03 < Steffanx> Get an outer tube that does a better job?
2018-05-20T20:43:35 < Steffanx> *tyre
2018-05-20T20:44:19 < Steffanx> Or go tubeless and fill the tyre with latex. Although thats not perfect either
2018-05-20T20:44:54 < jpa-> upgrdman: what kind of puncture?
2018-05-20T20:45:34 < jpa-> Steffanx: why not just get a rod and a thread die?
2018-05-20T20:45:50 < upgrdman> dont know. have not looked into it yet. i have lifetime flat repairs from the bike store, so i just took it there last time
2018-05-20T20:46:05 < Steffanx> "curb"ing. My dad hated me when i hit a curb and caused a flat tyre :D
2018-05-20T20:46:18 < upgrdman> but the rear tire was good last night when i put it in my car, and this morning it was flat. so a slow leak
2018-05-20T20:46:49 < jpa-> is your bike shop a good one, i.e. would they notice if your outer tire is bad and is damaging the inner tire?
2018-05-20T20:46:59 < upgrdman> i dunno. they seem good
2018-05-20T20:47:11 < upgrdman> but i am riding on dirt with some gravel. some of the stone are kinda sharp :(
2018-05-20T20:47:37 < Steffanx> bike shop for a flat tyre? wut? That's something you fix yourself right?
2018-05-20T20:47:45 < upgrdman> i would
2018-05-20T20:47:53 < jpa-> then just the regular extra thick outer & inner tubes might help
2018-05-20T20:47:53 < Steffanx> jpa-, i never did that. Does that work for RVS rds?
2018-05-20T20:47:55 < upgrdman> but my dumb ass paid $50 for "free" limetime tire repairs
2018-05-20T20:48:01 < Steffanx> *rods
2018-05-20T20:48:06 < upgrdman> bad idea in retrospect
2018-05-20T20:48:10 < upgrdman> but oh well
2018-05-20T20:48:36 < jpa-> Steffanx: should work, with a good threading tool
2018-05-20T20:48:50 < Steffanx> I'll get i'll have to spend some munny then
2018-05-20T20:49:38 < jpa-> some 10-20 EUR should be enough if you buy just a single die; but don't fall for the cheap 20 EUR "all sizes" threading tool packs, they are always crappy
2018-05-20T20:52:18 < kakimir> it's hard to be a millenial
2018-05-20T20:53:04 < Steffanx> Agreed.
2018-05-20T20:53:08 < Steffanx> Will look into it mr jpa-
2018-05-20T20:54:23 < jpa-> Steffanx: hardest part will be getting it to start straight - if it gets too difficult, you can spin the rod instead of the die to get it to start completely straight
2018-05-20T20:56:14 < PaulFertser> But what if Steffanx needs a hardened rod?
2018-05-20T20:56:32 < jpa-> then he should harden it afterwards
2018-05-20T20:57:51 < Steffanx> Steffanx isnt sure about that yet. Will try first.
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2018-05-20T21:12:31 < Steffanx> nn7 / nnnn7 it's emeb, not ebem :P
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2018-05-20T21:13:29 < emeb> wat?
2018-05-20T21:14:49 < Steffanx> He was looking for you hours ago
2018-05-20T21:15:02 < emeb> wonder why
2018-05-20T21:15:15 < Steffanx> Do you want to know?
2018-05-20T21:15:54 < emeb> looks like "catlike typing" to me.
2018-05-20T21:16:02 < Steffanx> He needed your brains, not sure how serious.
2018-05-20T21:17:17 < emeb> didn't ever actually ask a question.
2018-05-20T21:17:26 < emeb> so I'm going to assume it was just brainfarting
2018-05-20T21:18:55 < Steffanx> Nah he was looking for some pid tuning whatever for some yankee only project
2018-05-20T21:19:04 < Steffanx> Dont know the details
2018-05-20T21:19:15 < Steffanx> Nor what his budget is/was
2018-05-20T21:20:12 < emeb> Ah. I'm not much of a PID tuner. I have some rough rules of thumb for doing PLLs and tracking loops but those are generally just PI and fairly simple.
2018-05-20T21:20:21 < Steffanx> And suddenly you came up
2018-05-20T21:20:33 < Steffanx> Ah too bad for nn7 / nnnn7 then
2018-05-20T21:22:18 < nnnn7> Ahh..
2018-05-20T21:22:24 < nnnn7> Ok, thanks for the info.
2018-05-20T21:23:12 < nnnn7> I found someone who will take on the project for $10k . He sounds like he knows what he's doing so I'm probably going that route.
2018-05-20T21:24:13 < Steffanx> 10k, that's only 100hours?
2018-05-20T21:24:38 < Steffanx> Not sure what hte average yankee asks per hour
2018-05-20T21:25:01 < zyp> have we gotten a reasoning on the yankee only part yet?
2018-05-20T21:25:56 < nnnn7> Probably less hours than that.
2018-05-20T21:26:21 < nnnn7> Zyp: nispom
2018-05-20T21:26:44 < Steffanx> Trump.
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2018-05-20T21:30:35 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXEddCLW3SM
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2018-05-20T21:36:48 < nnnn7> Trump wants me to design a control system for keeping his hookers in line.
2018-05-20T21:37:44 < kakimir> stvn has a new nick I see
2018-05-20T21:38:00 < Steffanx> lol kakimeme
2018-05-20T21:38:14 < kakimir> nnnn7, make it two
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2018-05-20T21:57:06 < Hamilton> Looks like PeterM is a celebrity in ##stm32
2018-05-20T21:59:23 < Steffanx> he was our lost son.
2018-05-20T22:01:06 < Hamilton> Pretty much everyone is a celebrity here... Laurenceb, englishman, you,...
2018-05-20T22:02:50 < Hamilton> But if we think it like only ~10 people are regulars, here and the ~130 audience are not active actually, then the concept of "celebrity-ness" would not apply
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2018-05-20T23:27:39 < stvn> nnn7: for any project I recommend Ivan reedman
2018-05-20T23:27:47 < stvn> Best engineer on the planet
2018-05-20T23:28:20 < branjb> looks like ivan reedman is dead
2018-05-20T23:28:23 < branjb> http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/theprovince/obituary.aspx?pid=174176947
2018-05-20T23:28:24 < branjb> rip
2018-05-20T23:30:14 < Steffanx> Ivan was alive in 2017 branjb
2018-05-20T23:32:08 < karlp> hey peterm was back!
2018-05-20T23:32:35 < karlp> that's not the right ivan...
2018-05-20T23:32:44 < kakimir> movie recommend: Lawrence of Arabia
2018-05-20T23:33:16 < Steffanx> was back, he is still here mr kakimir
2018-05-20T23:34:05 < kakimir> my leelominai?
2018-05-20T23:39:37 < Steffanx> Uh? What kakimir ?
2018-05-20T23:40:15 < Steffanx> Leeloo wasnt that bad..
2018-05-20T23:40:40 < Steffanx> She had her quirks, but dont we all have those?
2018-05-20T23:40:52 < mitrax> and a penis
2018-05-20T23:41:25 < Steffanx> You know this "joke" gets old mitrax?
2018-05-20T23:41:57 < stvn> Lol
2018-05-20T23:42:23 < mitrax> wasn't really a joke on my part
2018-05-20T23:42:46 < BrainDamage> I don't understand why you people care so much, are you trying to get into his/her pants to have to care what's there?
2018-05-20T23:43:03 < Steffanx> Hell yeah
2018-05-20T23:43:17 < Steffanx> I like mitrax's cunt.
2018-05-20T23:43:20 < mitrax> i don't, it's just a rule on irc
2018-05-20T23:44:21 < stvn> Welcome
2018-05-20T23:44:36 < Steffanx> I dont care. I just wonder why others do.
2018-05-20T23:44:42 < Steffanx> Hello stvn
2018-05-20T23:45:07 < stvn> Gooday sport
2018-05-20T23:45:10 < Steffanx> How is 2nd Pentecost day?
2018-05-20T23:45:19 < mitrax> regulars in programming channels pretending to be female => guys, not that it's causing me any problem, she/he won't take offense since she's not here anyway
2018-05-20T23:46:16 < Steffanx> I think mitrax pretends to be male. :p
2018-05-20T23:46:37 < stvn> What is penteshit again?
2018-05-20T23:46:47 < Steffanx> Holyspirit day
2018-05-20T23:47:07 < Steffanx> For some reason we have a 2nd day. 
2018-05-20T23:47:14 < stvn> Oh
2018-05-20T23:47:20 < Steffanx> Which means its a holiday
2018-05-20T23:47:28 < stvn> God is in the tv
2018-05-20T23:47:44 < Steffanx> crt only?
2018-05-20T23:48:04 < stvn> The bin
2018-05-20T23:48:24 < Steffanx> So no day off for stvn?
2018-05-20T23:48:43 < stvn> N
2018-05-20T23:49:03 < Steffanx> Gotta pump it up, mate
2018-05-20T23:49:16 < stvn> How
2018-05-20T23:50:11 < mitrax> i need a sharpie
2018-05-20T23:50:24 < Steffanx> Lol tpw_rules, ##electronics is worse (sometimes)
2018-05-20T23:50:31 < mitrax> and an A3 scanner
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2018-05-20T23:54:52 < Steffanx> Why mitrax?
2018-05-20T23:55:18 < Steffanx> Draw on a4, scan, convert to a vector image, up scale and done?
2018-05-20T23:55:53 < mitrax> so i can write "nope i don't think so SteffanX" on my dick and scan it to prove you wrong
2018-05-20T23:56:28 < stvn> Yes
2018-05-20T23:56:35 < zyp> Steffanx, do you got tomorrow off too?
2018-05-20T23:58:24 < Steffanx> Yessir.
2018-05-20T23:58:52 < zyp> cool, same
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2018-05-21T00:00:10 < Steffanx> I better not comment on that, mitrax 
2018-05-21T00:00:13 < Steffanx> Its going nowhere 
2018-05-21T00:00:44 < zyp> haha
2018-05-21T00:00:47 < zyp> «A3»
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2018-05-21T00:02:57 < Laurenceb_> muh babby
2018-05-21T00:03:22 < zyp> Laurenceb_, do you also need an A3 scanner?
2018-05-21T00:03:44 < Steffanx> Does he also have a bit clit?
2018-05-21T00:03:46 < Steffanx> Big*
2018-05-21T00:04:52 < Laurenceb_> wut
2018-05-21T00:06:13 < Steffanx> Damn it, i wasnt going to comment.
2018-05-21T00:06:34  * Laurenceb_ just discovered Petersons daughters pron videos
2018-05-21T00:06:52 < zyp> sorry to hear that
2018-05-21T00:11:22 < Laurenceb_> she is an enlightened individualist
2018-05-21T00:11:23 < stvn> Discovered......
2018-05-21T00:11:26 < Steffanx> Isnt "discovered" a big word for using google to find something, Laurenceb ?
2018-05-21T00:11:35 < Laurenceb_> nope, reading cow
2018-05-21T00:11:52 < Laurenceb_> cow has been on overdrive
2018-05-21T00:12:19 < stvn> Wtf are you saying
2018-05-21T00:12:33 < Laurenceb_> >not knowing what cow is
2018-05-21T00:12:49 < Steffanx> Yes, no clue what cow is
2018-05-21T00:12:55 < Steffanx> But i dont want to know
2018-05-21T00:13:21 < Laurenceb_> stvn: the ppl behind kiwifarms
2018-05-21T00:13:55 < Steffanx> 🥝
2018-05-21T00:13:58 < mitrax> what is kiwifarms?
2018-05-21T00:14:01 < Laurenceb_> the amazing atheist is their leader
2018-05-21T00:14:29 < Laurenceb_> >be "atheist" > start cult
2018-05-21T00:15:22 < BrainDamage> did laurenceb finally lost it?
2018-05-21T00:15:29 < BrainDamage> he's making less sense than usual
2018-05-21T00:15:50 < stvn> Was just saying the same
2018-05-21T00:16:16 < stvn> 7:15 AM <stvn> What the fuck is he on about now?
2018-05-21T00:16:24 < Steffanx> Deja vu
2018-05-21T00:16:49 < stvn> We need a support group
2018-05-21T00:17:00 < Steffanx> Whats your issue, stvn?
2018-05-21T00:17:03 < Steffanx> Wanna talk?
2018-05-21T00:17:21 < Steffanx> Ill be the support group leader. 
2018-05-21T00:17:42 < stvn> I’m having trouble deciphering today’s issue of blaxter™️ news
2018-05-21T00:18:45 < Laurenceb_> stvn: Jordan Petersons daighter made a prono that was found by The Amazing Atheist
2018-05-21T00:19:02 < Laurenceb_> drama tier: epin internet dramaz
2018-05-21T00:19:28 < Laurenceb_> internet soap opera is best soap opera
2018-05-21T00:20:03 < stvn> gangsacked
2018-05-21T00:20:50 < mitrax> ah found it ! 
2018-05-21T00:21:01 < mitrax> "False consensus effect"
2018-05-21T00:21:08 < mitrax> In psychology, the false-consensus effect or false-consensus bias is an attributional type of cognitive bias whereby people tend to overestimate the extent to which their opinions, beliefs, preferences, values, and habits are normal and typical of those of others (i.e., that others also think the same way that they do).[1] This cognitive bias tends to lead to the perception of a consensus that 
2018-05-21T00:21:08 < mitrax> does not exist, a "false consensus".
2018-05-21T00:21:45 < Laurenceb_> >arduino explained
2018-05-21T00:22:23 < Steffanx> > Laurenceb_ explained
2018-05-21T00:22:37 < BrainDamage> oh, i tought you found missing sanity instead
2018-05-21T00:22:44 < BrainDamage> found laurenceb's
2018-05-21T00:22:44 < Laurenceb_> > habits are normal
2018-05-21T00:22:46 < Laurenceb_> nope
2018-05-21T00:22:47 < Steffanx> (just stating the obvious)
2018-05-21T00:22:57 < BrainDamage> maybe flying with an hippogriph to the moon
2018-05-21T00:23:02 < BrainDamage> sorry, a rockoon
2018-05-21T00:23:43 < stvn> Where is peter
2018-05-21T00:23:47 < Steffanx> Rockoons dont get to the moon yet. So a hippogriph is more likely
2018-05-21T00:24:35 < Laurenceb_> At age 23, Mikhaila Peterson figured out how to eliminate her Idiopathic Juvenile Arthritis and severe genetic depression (as well as several other diagnosed diseases)
2018-05-21T00:25:13 < Laurenceb_>  /r/beholdthemasterrace
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2018-05-21T01:21:30 < Laurenceb_> dead in here
2018-05-21T01:22:04 < Laurenceb_> 2morrow I have to give a talk on shakkin the babby
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2018-05-21T01:30:29 < jadew> so much fucking nonsense in the scrollback
2018-05-21T01:30:50 < jadew> wtf is that guy doing with the hose in the toilet?
2018-05-21T01:31:26 < mitrax> i missed that part
2018-05-21T01:31:35 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/S8xDwU2.jpg
2018-05-21T01:31:59 < jadew> is he blowing or sucking?
2018-05-21T01:32:30 < jadew> "how to unclog a toilet? A: Suck the clog out."
2018-05-21T01:33:42 < jadew> whatever he's doing it, it seems like you have to be aware of all the parts of the toilet and the sewage piping
2018-05-21T01:34:02 < mitrax> "the recent rash of fires in high-rise hotels and deaths occasioned thereby has given rise to the need for a breathing device and method for supplying a hotel guest and/or fireman with fresh air until he can be rescued, The device and method of this inventions provide for the insertion of a breathing tub through the water trap of a toilet to expose an open end thereof to fresh air from a vent 
2018-05-21T01:34:02 < mitrax> pipe connected to a sewer line of the toilet, to enable the user to breathe fresh air through the tube."
2018-05-21T01:35:01 < jadew> great...
2018-05-21T01:35:27 < Laurenceb_> this sounds like halfbakery
2018-05-21T01:35:40 < Laurenceb_> >be me
2018-05-21T01:35:49 < Laurenceb_> >expect slides from russian grrrl
2018-05-21T01:35:51 < jadew> are you supposed to bring your own hose or it will be provided to you at check in?
2018-05-21T01:35:56 < Laurenceb_> >11:35pm
2018-05-21T01:35:59 < Laurenceb_> >still no slides
2018-05-21T01:36:24 < Laurenceb_> IMAGINE MY SHOCK
2018-05-21T01:42:32 < jadew> Laurenceb_, link to the porn?
2018-05-21T01:42:58 < Laurenceb_> its on /cow/, and chans are banned
2018-05-21T01:43:20 < jadew> ?
2018-05-21T01:44:53 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/SiTCKu6V/IMG_0489.JPG
2018-05-21T01:46:01 < mitrax> yours?
2018-05-21T01:52:20 < Laurenceb_> Max Stirner is STIRNER, Steiner is the esoteric one, and then there's Rudolf Steiner.
2018-05-21T01:52:27 < Laurenceb_> ^even I'm confused right now
2018-05-21T01:52:47 < Laurenceb_> who is Steiner
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2018-05-21T02:28:27 < PeterM> reading scrollback i see Laurenceb hasnt changed at all, nice
2018-05-21T02:32:21 < Laurenceb_> >12:32am
2018-05-21T02:32:24 < Laurenceb_> >still no slides
2018-05-21T02:34:08 < Laurenceb_> BREAKING NEWS !!!
2018-05-21T02:34:28 < Laurenceb_> women aren't 'obligated' to fuck you. If you're a douchebag, they're not interested… Too fucking bad…
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2018-05-21T02:48:59 < Thorn> why is Laurenceb_ not warning red
2018-05-21T02:49:12 < Thorn> problem with antitroll databases again?
2018-05-21T03:01:28 < Thorn> is ground bounce only about logic switching? what about a high current load PWM'd causing ground to rise in sync with the PWM, how would that be called?
2018-05-21T03:03:25 < PeterM> ground bounce, all hugh di/dt signals cause it
2018-05-21T03:04:32 < Thorn> wikipedia says "is a phenomenon associated with transistor switching where the gate voltage can appear to be less than the local ground potential, causing the unstable operation of a logic gate"
2018-05-21T03:04:42 < Thorn> nothing about motors or high power leds etc.
2018-05-21T03:08:02 < PeterM> sure, but the same principal applies, a high di-=s3042634@mvrht.netdt event occurrs on a load with 
2018-05-21T03:08:02 < PeterM> wetstuff4
2018-05-21T03:08:27 < PeterM> a high di/dt signal occurrs with a line of significant inductance
2018-05-21T03:08:45 < PeterM> the line will rise, then fall
2018-05-21T03:09:27 < PeterM> sorry about above, i've got a clipboard typer macro for programs that dont allow pasting
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2018-05-21T03:35:39 < R0b0t1> Laurenceb_: It is certain that no specific woman is obligated to do anything for you but sex is part of a fulfilling life by most people's definition, and at least one country (the Netherlands) provides stipend for the disabled to pay for relief from sex workers.
2018-05-21T03:36:53 < PeterM> for some reason that doesnt surprise me
2018-05-21T03:37:15 < Laurenceb_> I cant even right now
2018-05-21T03:37:29 < Laurenceb_> Incel rebellion thwarted
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2018-05-21T04:39:38 < jadew> a bit of a guilty pleasure (heard it at the radio the other day): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMvMR-jNSKg
2018-05-21T04:39:55 < jadew> love the combination between french and italian
2018-05-21T04:40:48 < jadew> *on the radio
2018-05-21T04:46:21 < aandrew> ... does that woman hav ea beard?
2018-05-21T04:47:19 < aandrew> nope it's dirt or soemthing
2018-05-21T04:47:30 < jadew> it's glitter but I'm not sure if it signifies something
2018-05-21T04:48:22 < jadew> some of the recent music videos are genius
2018-05-21T04:48:31 < jadew> this is not one of those
2018-05-21T04:48:37 < aandrew> dunno. neither the song nor the girl did anything for me but you do you. :-)
2018-05-21T04:49:13 < aandrew> Inna is someone who gets my attention
2018-05-21T04:49:26 < jadew> yeah, I grew up with both french and italian songs, it just manages to strike both those chords
2018-05-21T04:49:37 < jadew> not a fan of hers
2018-05-21T04:49:52 < aandrew> the redhead from indica as well
2018-05-21T04:50:56 < jadew> that sounds nice
2018-05-21T04:51:02 < jadew> first time I listen to Indica
2018-05-21T04:51:45 < jadew> ok, I'm a fan
2018-05-21T04:53:11 < jadew> love her voice
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2018-05-21T04:55:00 < aandrew> yeah the hint of an accent
2018-05-21T04:55:20 < aandrew> they sing in both finnish and english, I have a bunch of their albums
2018-05-21T04:55:35 < jadew> what accent? I'm listening in finnish
2018-05-21T04:55:40 < aandrew> ah
2018-05-21T04:55:46 < aandrew> I was listening to an english one
2018-05-21T04:55:54 < aandrew> I doubt they have an accent in their native tongue
2018-05-21T04:55:58 < jadew> this is the first thing I clicked on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybK0rqaW8-w
2018-05-21T04:56:21 < aandrew> that is a good one
2018-05-21T04:56:36 < aandrew> I was listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp1MpMq5F4U
2018-05-21T04:58:36 < jadew> this is great, I was out of music for half a year or more
2018-05-21T04:59:08 < jadew> could be my next betty blowtorch phase
2018-05-21T04:59:16 < aandrew> heh
2018-05-21T04:59:28 < jadew> you know them?
2018-05-21T04:59:35 < aandrew> nope
2018-05-21T04:59:41 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5tg5JLClpo
2018-05-21T04:59:56 < jadew> not fantastic or anything, just fun
2018-05-21T05:00:10 < aandrew> is it all screaming rock/pubk?
2018-05-21T05:00:12 < aandrew> punk
2018-05-21T05:00:16 < jadew> yep
2018-05-21T05:00:19 < aandrew> ah
2018-05-21T05:00:22 < jadew> sort of
2018-05-21T05:00:26 < jadew> not sure
2018-05-21T05:00:32 < jadew> it's metal/punk?
2018-05-21T05:01:50 < jadew> apparently it's called hard rock
2018-05-21T05:03:01 < jadew> this is more in line with their usual stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbMx2baM2PA
2018-05-21T05:07:04 < jadew> aandrew, she sounds better in finnish
2018-05-21T05:07:22 < aandrew> I didn't like the live ones as much
2018-05-21T05:10:30 < jadew> too bad I don't understand anything
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2018-05-21T05:38:43 < dongs> PeterM: welcome back
2018-05-21T06:07:47 < PeterM> cheers dongs
2018-05-21T06:12:14 < PeterM> whats been happening in the glorious land of fax machines, cash and flip phones
2018-05-21T06:14:11 < Thorn> what optocouplers do I use for isolated open collector outputs, 24V/1A
2018-05-21T06:14:26 < Thorn> should be available in china
2018-05-21T06:15:44 < PeterM> what kinda speeds
2018-05-21T06:16:16 < Thorn> 10Hz
2018-05-21T06:16:31 < dongs> anything
2018-05-21T06:16:47 < PeterM> anything, but you're not putting 1a through itr
2018-05-21T06:17:09 < PeterM> use it to switch osme other switching circuitry
2018-05-21T06:17:12 < R0b0t1> Does dongs like Windows because he is Japanese, then?
2018-05-21T06:17:15 < dongs> TLP185 oro wahtever
2018-05-21T06:17:18 < Thorn> maybe 1kHz, not sure
2018-05-21T06:17:24 < dongs> standard shite
2018-05-21T06:17:49 < dongs> i like windows because I value my time
2018-05-21T06:17:53 < dongs> you fucking faggot nerd
2018-05-21T06:18:00 < dongs> i turn on my PC, and I can do work
2018-05-21T06:18:06 < dongs> instead of staring at some ubuntu "fsck failed' screen
2018-05-21T06:18:13 < dongs> press F to FUCK YOURSELF
2018-05-21T06:18:27 < dongs> y n m
2018-05-21T06:19:27 < Thorn> PeterM: how do I power that other switching circuitry if it's isolated
2018-05-21T06:20:23 < dongs> obviously by the other side voltage
2018-05-21T06:20:27 < dongs> whatever 24V shit youre switching
2018-05-21T06:20:34 < PeterM> that up to you, if it is relatively periodic you could use a bootstrap circuit
2018-05-21T06:20:57 < PeterM> or you could power it form the isolated side
2018-05-21T06:26:14 < Thorn> ok thanks
2018-05-21T06:26:56 < bitmask> man, my website is starting to get sloppy, I'm tired of working on it though
2018-05-21T06:31:57 < dongs> dicksite
2018-05-21T06:32:16 < bitmask> clever
2018-05-21T06:32:52 < Thorn> 'weendows update failed' is not much better and unlike 'fsck failed' I actually had that shit a few months ago
2018-05-21T06:33:49 < PeterM> thats fine because when windown update files your computer still works perfectly normally, when fsck fails, or even when fsck passes you're still fucked because youre running lunix
2018-05-21T06:35:23 < Thorn> no
2018-05-21T06:35:26 < dongs> ahahah.
2018-05-21T06:35:32 < Thorn> weendows never boots
2018-05-21T06:36:11 < Thorn> you have to boot into recovery mode and use command line to hopefully uninstall failed updates
2018-05-21T06:36:24 < dongs> bullshit nigga
2018-05-21T06:36:32 < bitmask> what kinda shitty hardware do you guys have that updates fail?
2018-05-21T06:36:33 < Thorn> but sometimes the whole database is trashed. good luck then
2018-05-21T06:36:35 < dongs> you should be banne from computing if you can't manage a windows sdesktop
2018-05-21T06:36:39 < dongs> < bitmask> what kinda shitty hardware do you guys have that updates fail?
2018-05-21T06:36:40 < dongs> yes THIS
2018-05-21T06:36:59 < PeterM> nah, i think you highlighted your problem, in the first place you tried some lunix shit on it and it was allergic to the bullshit and gave up
2018-05-21T06:37:57 < Thorn> it's not hardware related. it happens e.g. when micros~1 releases a buggy update
2018-05-21T06:38:47 < PeterM> microsoft update was fine, you fucked with something before the update was applied which is not meant to be fucked with
2018-05-21T06:39:03 < Thorn> you can find KB articles on dealing with that
2018-05-21T06:39:20 < Thorn> listing update #s to delete
2018-05-21T06:39:45 < PeterM> because other people have fucked with things theyre not meant to fuck with?
2018-05-21T06:40:46 < dongs> i have never in my life installed a windowsupdate that had to be deleted
2018-05-21T06:41:18 < PeterM> i havbe, but only because i fucked wiht somethign that wasnt meant to be fucked with
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2018-05-21T07:19:27 < stvn> The dogs
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2018-05-21T07:24:25 < englishman> fuck, PeterM comes back after years and he still has me on ignore
2018-05-21T07:30:14 < PeterM> on ignore? never
2018-05-21T07:30:25 < PeterM> thats reserved for autism6
2018-05-21T07:31:01 < PeterM> plus, if what they said  about you using pic shit...
2018-05-21T07:36:10 < englishman> yeah man
2018-05-21T07:36:17 < englishman> but what can i say, i'm a slut
2018-05-21T07:36:25 < englishman> someone wants to pay me to use pic. no prob
2018-05-21T07:36:33 < emeb_mac> any port in a storm?
2018-05-21T07:36:35 < englishman> throw away your money
2018-05-21T07:36:36 < englishman> i wont stop you
2018-05-21T07:36:52 < emeb_mac> I did some PIC work for a buddy a few years ago.
2018-05-21T07:36:57 < emeb_mac> It was pretty ghetto
2018-05-21T07:37:19 < englishman> PeterM a while ago you recommended a 16S balance-charger to a certain jappu friend. do you know which one? i'm also looking for one
2018-05-21T07:39:01 < englishman> another project has ATMEGA2560V-8AU
2018-05-21T07:39:13 < englishman> and this project would be fine with f0
2018-05-21T07:39:16 < englishman> this chip is like $12
2018-05-21T07:39:33 < emeb_mac> gack!
2018-05-21T07:40:38 < PeterM> englishman nah cant rememebr sorry, that shit was like  a year or two ago
2018-05-21T07:41:19 < englishman> right
2018-05-21T07:42:16 < englishman> i went and did the same thing as our mutual nip friend https://i.imgur.com/3JehkUf.jpg
2018-05-21T07:42:33 < englishman> even has the green license plate to indicate electric vehicle
2018-05-21T07:43:37 < PeterM> nice, how is it?
2018-05-21T07:44:21 < englishman> been great
2018-05-21T07:44:30 < englishman> have a little trailer to haul around garden crap
2018-05-21T07:45:21 < PeterM> i can suggest http://www.eastgem.net/bms.html 
2018-05-21T07:45:34 < PeterM> contact them and they can make a higher current rated unit if you need
2018-05-21T07:45:49 < PeterM> then jsut use a 67.2v cc/cv charger
2018-05-21T07:46:02 < englishman> oh nice
2018-05-21T07:46:08 < englishman> those ebikes go to 20S wow
2018-05-21T07:47:31 < PeterM> i split some nissan leaf cells and switched them from 2s2p to 4s, https://i.imgur.com/R2lvngr.jpg thats the size fo a bmx bike and is 14s, 3kw continuous scooter motor
2018-05-21T07:48:14 < englishman> yeah theres plenty of leaf packs around now
2018-05-21T07:51:20 < englishman> hmh did not know they were 2s2p inside that is cool
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2018-05-21T08:08:32 < dongs> yeah my wheel is 84V
2018-05-21T08:08:38 < dongs> of filthy 16850s of whatever
2018-05-21T08:11:17 < dongs> PeterM: whats going on with that thing in your pic
2018-05-21T08:11:41 < PeterM> its only half finished
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2018-05-21T08:13:22 < PeterM> for it to be sorta leagalin public in autralia it needs pedals so it has them
2018-05-21T08:14:33 < PeterM> i have everything to finish it aside  from the front fork and wheel
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2018-05-21T08:17:13 < dongs> rite
2018-05-21T08:17:19 < dongs> man i saw so many ghetto electric bikes in shenzhen
2018-05-21T08:18:02 < PeterM> the frame dimensions are based off the same size/style of bike ass https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/bwwAAOSwD5Za5AM-/$_20.JPG
2018-05-21T08:18:57 < PeterM> ive seen my fair share of shit electric bikes too
2018-05-21T08:22:09 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0IMmHUADmw
2018-05-21T08:23:09 < PeterM> oops
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2018-05-21T10:37:04 < stvn> Hmm
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2018-05-21T10:49:03 < dongs> innovating
2018-05-21T10:51:36 < stvn> Nostalgia is a synonym for autism
2018-05-21T10:56:03 < Ultrasauce> are you feeling nostalgic tonight stvn
2018-05-21T10:56:20 < stvn> extremely
2018-05-21T10:57:05 < Haohmaru> what triggered it?
2018-05-21T10:57:19 < stvn> My birth
2018-05-21T10:57:56 < stvn> Haohmaru: has anybody asked you the 3 essential questions?
2018-05-21T10:59:12 < Haohmaru> just 3 of them?
2018-05-21T10:59:18 < Haohmaru> which three exactly
2018-05-21T11:04:09 < stvn> I’ll set up a meeting for you with Gary Niger
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2018-05-21T11:08:11 < Haohmaru> gary who?
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2018-05-21T11:10:27 < stvn> Gary with a silent R
2018-05-21T11:15:22 < Haohmaru> you seem to know some interesting people
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2018-05-21T11:36:53 < Thorn> Antares/Cygnus launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0
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2018-05-21T12:07:05 < Steffanx>  Happy birthday stvn
2018-05-21T12:07:48 < stvn> Hi sir
2018-05-21T12:09:01 < stvn> How are they?
2018-05-21T12:12:04 < Steffanx> Hanging
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2018-05-21T12:18:49 < stvn> Ty
2018-05-21T12:26:08 < Steffanx> Ill eat a waffle on your birthday stvn
2018-05-21T12:26:17 < Steffanx> To celebrate
2018-05-21T12:27:38 < Haohmaru> sounds disturbing
2018-05-21T12:29:33 < Steffanx> Ok antto
2018-05-21T12:31:03 < Haohmaru> stahp doing that, you'll wake up teh cat
2018-05-21T12:31:42 < Haohmaru> u don't wanna wake up teh white monster
2018-05-21T12:34:43 < stvn> Ty
2018-05-21T12:34:50 < dongs> hmm zyp
2018-05-21T12:35:01 < dongs> CRS210-8G-2S+IN is no longer @ eurodk
2018-05-21T12:35:39 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/also_lol/dp/B017O1PSFE
2018-05-21T12:37:08 < dongs> EOL_CRS210-8G-2S+IN - MikroTik CRS210-8G-2S+IN Cloud Router 8-Gport L3 Switch (desktop case) ***EOL Replaced by CRS320**
2018-05-21T12:37:12 < dongs> mh wat
2018-05-21T12:38:12 < Haohmaru> does that really have "also_lol" in the URL o_O
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2018-05-21T12:38:29 < Haohmaru> uh oh
2018-05-21T12:38:35  * Haohmaru puts on his umbrella
2018-05-21T12:39:02 < Steffanx> Mr dongs did that Haohmaru 
2018-05-21T12:47:12 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113688.jpg
2018-05-21T12:48:19 < Haohmaru> granny is serious
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2018-05-21T12:51:51 < Laurenceb_> needs moar "BBC" logo at top
2018-05-21T12:53:06 < Steffanx> Your https doesnt work properly Laurenceb_ 
2018-05-21T12:53:13 < Steffanx> Just be sure you dont get jailed
2018-05-21T12:53:21 < Laurenceb_> kek ok
2018-05-21T12:53:34 < Laurenceb_> tiem to talk shakker and babby to vips
2018-05-21T12:53:36 < Laurenceb_> bbl
2018-05-21T12:55:13 < Steffanx> Is it recorded?
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2018-05-21T13:05:22 < stvn> oh i missed him
2018-05-21T13:12:29 < Steffanx> but do you miss him?
2018-05-21T13:17:25 < stvn> https://youtu.be/8TgDUVe7lK8?t=12m55s
2018-05-21T13:17:36 < stvn> i was going to ask if that was his mother
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2018-05-21T14:04:28 < mra90> I noticed that instructions read by GDB doesn't correspod exactky to what's inside .s file
2018-05-21T14:04:52 < mra90> for example my main function starts with push {r7, sp} but gdb says first instuction in main is mov     r2, r0
2018-05-21T14:05:01 < mra90> which is nowhere in the file oO
2018-05-21T14:05:27 < Haohmaru> that's the rootkit, oh wait..
2018-05-21T14:11:06 < jpa-> mra90: do the addresses match? is the address for main in 0x00 or 0x08 region?
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2018-05-21T14:14:05 < mra90> jpa-: disassembly says main is on 08000268
2018-05-21T14:14:31 < mra90> but when I jump to main from GDB it says (gdb) j myMain
2018-05-21T14:14:31 < mra90> Continuing at 0x800026c.
2018-05-21T14:15:05 < jpa-> sounds like the stuff you have in flash is different from the .elf you have loaded to gdb
2018-05-21T14:15:13 < jpa-> maybe you've forgotten to flash it :P
2018-05-21T14:16:36 < jpa-> you can also check   objdump -d myelf.elf
2018-05-21T14:17:58 < mra90> hmm how to see assmbly code of instruction in gdb
2018-05-21T14:18:06 < mra90> when I do step I see C code
2018-05-21T14:18:20 < mra90> I did x /i $pc and then x 
2018-05-21T14:18:26 < mra90> but dunno if this is correct
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2018-05-21T14:19:45 < Thorn> does it ever make sense to use an optocoupler with grounds on both sides connected together?
2018-05-21T14:20:10 < Haohmaru> doesn't that kinda ruin the "isolation" ;P~
2018-05-21T14:21:06 < Thorn> it appears common in ardweeno 'shields' (such as relay outputs etc.)
2018-05-21T14:21:21 < sync> cheapshit stuff often uses them that way
2018-05-21T14:21:31 < jpa-> well if the ground is connected to real mains power safety ground, it can make some limited sense
2018-05-21T14:21:51 < jpa-> mra90: display /i $pc    and    stepi
2018-05-21T14:23:22 < mra90> what is the difference between  display /i $pc and what I did (x /i $pc)
2018-05-21T14:24:04 < jpa-> display shows it every time gdb moves to next instruction
2018-05-21T14:27:18 < mra90> jpa-: now it makesm ore sense however still skippep two first instruction in main push	{r7, lr}
2018-05-21T14:27:22 < mra90> and add	r7, sp, #0
2018-05-21T14:27:25 < mra90> why is that
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2018-05-21T18:04:46 < kakimir> fucking win10
2018-05-21T18:04:58 < kakimir> why it keeps removing my tools
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2018-05-21T18:07:29 < Steffanx> because when you're drunk you tell it to?
2018-05-21T18:07:41 < kakimir> no
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2018-05-21T18:07:48 < kakimir> it fucking removes everything all the time
2018-05-21T18:07:54 < kakimir> I have proof
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2018-05-21T18:10:07 < Cracki> "tools"?
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2018-05-21T18:13:02 < kakimir> things like.. saturn pcb toolkit
2018-05-21T18:13:09 < Steffanx> is it warezed?
2018-05-21T18:13:20 < kakimir> I have like 4 versions of installers for every time I have installed it
2018-05-21T18:14:09 < Cracki> does your windows sometimes crash and revert to a "known good configuration"?
2018-05-21T18:14:19 < kakimir> no
2018-05-21T18:14:33 < kakimir> only time it reboots is when windows updates
2018-05-21T18:14:45 < Cracki> perhaps that's when it reverts
2018-05-21T18:14:46 < kakimir> else it running 247
2018-05-21T18:14:52 < kakimir> no
2018-05-21T18:15:00 < kakimir> it's known fact that windows removes shit
2018-05-21T18:15:04 < Cracki> try win7, it's not as uppity
2018-05-21T18:17:01 < Cracki> it seems this "removing programs" thing is intended behavior
2018-05-21T18:17:12 < Cracki> because win10 is for normies
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2018-05-21T18:18:32 < Cracki> https://fossbytes.com/windows-10-fall-creators-update-missing-apps/
2018-05-21T18:18:47 < englishman> https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/20/after-tens-of-thousands-of-pre-orders-high-end-3d-headphones-startup-ossic-disappears/
2018-05-21T18:18:48 < englishman> what the shit
2018-05-21T18:19:03 < englishman> selling headphones for $1k and they fail after $5m+ preorders
2018-05-21T18:20:04 < Cracki> guess what, crowdfunding often is a scam
2018-05-21T18:21:01 < Cracki> if the involved parties have no regular, stable business
2018-05-21T18:22:01 < englishman> The addition of stretch-goals to add mobile support increased the software scope from two operating systems to five, added an incredibly powerful 32-core processor onboard the headphones for processing, and required us to enter into substantial business development with mobile manufacturers to support multi-channel connectivity.
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2018-05-21T18:22:08 < Cracki> lol morons
2018-05-21T18:22:14 < englishman> supporting lunix = kickstarter death
2018-05-21T18:22:35 < Cracki> 32-core, whyyyy
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2018-05-21T18:31:29 < kakimir> because noob
2018-05-21T18:33:44 < sync> well, xmos xcore200
2018-05-21T18:33:54 < sync> not an unreasonable choice for audio dsp shit
2018-05-21T18:34:03 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-21T18:35:01 < Haohmaru> cortana.exe is quietly laughing in the corner of your cpu cache
2018-05-21T18:38:07 < Cracki> xmos are interesting beasts
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2018-05-21T19:21:01 < Steffanx> Why wasnt dongs all over this project?
2018-05-21T19:21:09 < Steffanx> This is the first time i heared about it.
2018-05-21T19:23:15 < kakimir> because blind rage towards kakistarting
2018-05-21T19:23:36 < kakimir> oh.. that is what you meant
2018-05-21T19:23:44 < kakimir> maybe his busy at work
2018-05-21T19:24:08 < Steffanx> No, people that use Keil have enough spare time.
2018-05-21T19:25:58 < kakimir> keil magic moneymaker
2018-05-21T19:26:43 < kakimir> something like legend of "Sampo" in Kalevala
2018-05-21T19:29:32 < Steffanx> Is that some Finnish myth?
2018-05-21T19:30:22 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-21T19:30:54 < kakimir> master black smith with his fellows made a machine that could produce salt, flour and money
2018-05-21T19:31:02 < kakimir> money/gold whatever
2018-05-21T19:31:46 < kakimir> it was stolen and in the mission to return the machine it fell into pieces that scattered all around the world
2018-05-21T19:33:01 < jpa-> along the way they figured out that salt/flour/water would have made a much better bread recipe
2018-05-21T19:34:20 < kakimir> :D
2018-05-21T19:35:14 < Steffanx> finnishers and their stories.
2018-05-21T19:35:23 < kakimir> inspiring story
2018-05-21T19:37:06 < kakimir> I wonder if it was some sort of science fiction of the day
2018-05-21T19:42:25 < kakimir> something like how stories are told about AI in modern pop culture
2018-05-21T19:42:48 < kakimir> "it will do most anything"
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2018-05-21T20:23:29 < Laurenceb> AY FAM
2018-05-21T20:23:37 < Laurenceb> QUIK MAFS
2018-05-21T20:23:44  * antto puts on his umbrella
2018-05-21T20:24:38 < antto> i'm ready Laurenceb, throw the sh*t at the fan
2018-05-21T20:24:57 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-05-21T20:25:09 < Laurenceb> U AIN' A LONDONER FAM IF U AINT SPEEKIN PROPERS
2018-05-21T20:25:51 < antto> ur right, i ain' a londoner
2018-05-21T20:28:14 < Laurenceb> I put on my stab proof robs and armoured cap
2018-05-21T20:28:19 < Laurenceb> *robes
2018-05-21T20:28:32 < Laurenceb> robs also works
2018-05-21T20:29:04 < Cracki> I think you'd be even safer with some pigsblood
2018-05-21T20:30:08 < Ultrasauce> more like a pig's head
2018-05-21T20:30:24 < Laurenceb> so just my normal head amirite
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2018-05-21T20:31:26 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPgsvTF-9y4
2018-05-21T20:33:06 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT4rfaK34yg  my sides
2018-05-21T20:33:36 < bitmask> https://www.facebook.com/bart.schoors/videos/1116384981832660/
2018-05-21T20:34:06 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCkaetyxjQg
2018-05-21T20:36:13 < Laurenceb> >Sam is too unintelligent to understand the UK - low wit guy using teeth meme - low IQ, fat American with a hairlip
2018-05-21T20:39:56 < Laurenceb> oh my god britbong reviewbrother https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0_1g5FVYAc
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2018-05-21T20:49:50 < Laurenceb> mind blown https://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113725.png
2018-05-21T20:56:26 < Cracki> heh
2018-05-21T21:18:21 < Steffanx> How was Donal, Laurenceb?
2018-05-21T21:34:47 < englishman> Your connection is not private
2018-05-21T21:34:47 < englishman> Attackers might be trying to steal your information from imgoat.com (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). Learn more
2018-05-21T21:35:10 < englishman> NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID
2018-05-21T21:35:17 < englishman> baby's first tls website
2018-05-21T21:36:42 < Cracki> letsencrypt and people not configuring the cronjob properly
2018-05-21T22:01:16 < Steffanx> Doesnt letencrypt needs a renewal every 3 months or so? 
2018-05-21T22:01:38 < Laurenceb> cronjob sounds like a lobotomy
2018-05-21T22:02:36 < Steffanx> Funny how the certificate expired over a year ago.
2018-05-21T22:05:11 < Steffanx> For your and our safety you should find a new image hosting Laurenceb
2018-05-21T22:05:27 < Steffanx> And déjà vu. I swear i said this before, to you.
2018-05-21T22:07:51 < mra90> how is watchod feed while in debug mode?
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2018-05-21T22:11:57 < Steffanx> It's not. 
2018-05-21T22:12:21 < Steffanx> You can enable an option to stop the watchdog while debugging
2018-05-21T22:12:56 < mra90> Steffanx: but isn't just reset line kept high by debugger?
2018-05-21T22:13:04 < mra90> I mean on hardware level
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2018-05-21T23:44:24 < stvn> The watchdog is barking again
2018-05-21T23:45:16 < stvn> The COP was fired mate
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2018-05-22T00:23:07 < R0b0t1`> Cracki: To be fair a let's encrypt job runs once every 3 months, kind of hard to troubleshoot
2018-05-22T00:23:23 < R0b0t1`> That said I used acme.sh and it seems to have worked the first time with my nonstandard config
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2018-05-22T01:00:48 < Steffanx> !wz melbourne
2018-05-22T01:00:49 < englishbot> [Melbourne, Australia] Overcast. Temp is 13.6°C. SSE wind: 1.0 kph. Humidity: 91%.
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2018-05-22T01:01:03 < Steffanx> !wz steven
2018-05-22T01:01:07 < englishbot> [Stevenage, United Kingdom] Clear. Temp is 15.3°C. Humidity: 78%.
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2018-05-22T01:01:20 < kakimir> !wz EFKU
2018-05-22T01:01:21 < englishbot> [EFKU, Finland] Clear. Temp is 13.9°C. NE wind: 1.9 kph. Humidity: 66%.
2018-05-22T01:01:45 < Steffanx> Is that some airport kakimir 
2018-05-22T01:01:46 < Steffanx> ?
2018-05-22T01:01:58 < kakimir> everything EF** is
2018-05-22T01:02:09 < Steffanx> Hows your flying going?
2018-05-22T01:03:27 < kakimir> !wz EHLE
2018-05-22T01:03:28 < englishbot> [EHLE, Netherlands] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 18.9°C. East wind: 1.0 kph.
2018-05-22T01:03:54 < Steffanx> Wtf is ehle
2018-05-22T01:03:59 < kakimir> Lelystad
2018-05-22T01:04:13 < stvn> Lol
2018-05-22T01:04:34 < antto> !wz varna
2018-05-22T01:04:36 < englishbot> [Varna, Bulgaria] Clear. Temp is 14.3°C. Humidity: 86%.
2018-05-22T01:04:36 < kakimir> oh it's general aviation airport
2018-05-22T01:04:46 < Steffanx> !wz ehgg
2018-05-22T01:04:47 < antto> nice
2018-05-22T01:04:47 < englishbot> [EHGG, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 16.1°C. ENE wind: 4.0 kph. Humidity: 58%.
2018-05-22T01:04:54 < stvn> !wz steffan
2018-05-22T01:04:54 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-05-22T01:05:01 < stvn> :D
2018-05-22T01:05:15 < Steffanx> !wz query
2018-05-22T01:05:15 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-05-22T01:05:18 < kakimir> !wz EGLL
2018-05-22T01:05:18 < englishbot> [EGLL, United Kingdom] Clear. Temp is 17.8°C. Humidity: 68%.
2018-05-22T01:05:31 < Steffanx> It really cant locate query. 
2018-05-22T01:05:55 < kakimir> London Heathrow Airport
2018-05-22T01:06:35 < Steffanx> So no more flying kakimir?
2018-05-22T01:06:44 < kakimir> no moneytime
2018-05-22T01:06:56 < kakimir> I wonder what sacrifice I will do
2018-05-22T01:07:23 < stvn> The children
2018-05-22T01:07:30 < Steffanx> Both. Money and time.
2018-05-22T01:07:38 < stvn> Sacrifice them
2018-05-22T01:08:23 < kakimir> I'm thinking a little bit about getting a credit card
2018-05-22T01:08:29 < Steffanx> No.
2018-05-22T01:08:38 < Steffanx> Free money doesnt exist
2018-05-22T01:08:48 < kakimir> free anything doesn't exist
2018-05-22T01:08:51 < Steffanx> Yankees might think that, but no.
2018-05-22T01:09:02 < kakimir> they breathe credit
2018-05-22T01:09:08 < Steffanx> Sunlight isnfree.
2018-05-22T01:09:08 < stvn> Credit cards are for fucking niggers
2018-05-22T01:09:12 < Steffanx> Is free*
2018-05-22T01:09:32 < Steffanx> Just stop spending money on mouser kakimir 
2018-05-22T01:10:18 < kakimir> I have spent myself like.. 65euros worth in half year
2018-05-22T01:10:42 < kakimir> everything else is work and for friends
2018-05-22T01:10:53 < Steffanx> Then what else you spend your money on?
2018-05-22T01:11:01 < stvn> He’s been buying drugs
2018-05-22T01:11:06 < kakimir> rent, food
2018-05-22T01:11:12 < Steffanx> Otherwide its time for a raise :)
2018-05-22T01:11:21 < Steffanx> *wise. Damnit
2018-05-22T01:11:33 < stvn> I spend money on my teapot collection
2018-05-22T01:11:45 < stvn> 🍵
2018-05-22T01:12:00 < kakimir> I got a raise
2018-05-22T01:12:10 < stvn> ✡️
2018-05-22T01:12:12 < Steffanx> 🥜
2018-05-22T01:12:16 < kakimir> still waiting to see it in my paycheck
2018-05-22T01:12:47 < stvn> Are you an stm32 pro?
2018-05-22T01:12:54 < kakimir> only lpc
2018-05-22T01:13:01 < Steffanx> :(
2018-05-22T01:13:10 < stvn> I spotted the standard dog in an audio product
2018-05-22T01:13:33 < stvn> Stm32f103c8t6 or whatever
2018-05-22T01:13:42 < englishman> !wz stm32
2018-05-22T01:13:43 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-05-22T01:13:54 < stvn> Ty englishman
2018-05-22T01:14:34 < upgrdman> kakimir, you going to heathrow?
2018-05-22T01:14:43 < kakimir> no
2018-05-22T01:14:46 < kakimir> just testing
2018-05-22T01:14:49 < upgrdman> ok
2018-05-22T01:15:02 < Steffanx> !wz pic
2018-05-22T01:15:04 < englishbot> [Pickering, Canada] Overcast. Temp is 21.9°C.
2018-05-22T01:15:25 < Steffanx> Hah englishman is PICkering for sure.
2018-05-22T01:15:50 < upgrdman> if you ever go, dont forget to stock up on vibrating cock rings from the heathrow restrooms http://www.farrellf.com/temp/heathrow_restroom.jpg
2018-05-22T01:16:14 < stvn> wz what the fuck is it
2018-05-22T01:16:25 < stvn> wz
2018-05-22T01:17:18 < kakimir> !wz NZIR
2018-05-22T01:17:21 < englishbot> [NZIR, (null)] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is -27°C but feels like -41°C. ESE wind: 26 kph.
2018-05-22T01:18:07 < kakimir> McMurdo station ice runway in Antarctica
2018-05-22T01:18:30 < kakimir> !wz Antarctica
2018-05-22T01:18:30 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-05-22T01:19:16 < kakimir> !wz NZWD
2018-05-22T01:19:17 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-05-22T01:20:08 < stvn> !wz wz
2018-05-22T01:20:10 < englishbot> [Wzary, Poland] Rain. Temp is 14.6°C. NNE wind: 1.0 kph. Humidity: 58%.
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2018-05-22T01:20:23 < kakimir> !wz AT28
2018-05-22T01:20:24 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-05-22T01:20:30 < stvn> NOT EXPECTED
2018-05-22T01:20:55 < stvn> I wanted it to explode
2018-05-22T01:22:39 < kakimir> !wz NZFX
2018-05-22T01:22:40 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-05-22T01:23:11 < stvn> Wonder if it can find my missing cat
2018-05-22T01:23:19 < stvn> 🐈
2018-05-22T01:23:32 < kakimir> of how many cats?
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2018-05-22T01:25:38 < kakimir> did you leave window open for the master feline?
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2018-05-22T01:31:03 < mawk> hi
2018-05-22T01:33:15 < stvn> You’ve come to the right place
2018-05-22T01:36:53 < mawk> I hope so
2018-05-22T01:38:17 < stvn> What would you like to do?
2018-05-22T01:39:44 < mawk> I had a question to ask, but I'm trying the circuit one more time to be sure to not ask a stupid question
2018-05-22T01:47:40 < mawk> ok so the question is still valid: I have a L152RE board, and whenever I'm using 3.3V to power some sensor the serial line USBTX/USBRX passing through the stlink header is going nuts, characters are being cut, or entirely different characters appear in my serial console; if I use the onboard uart with my own USB adaptor it's all good, no scrambled text at all
2018-05-22T01:48:32 < mawk> are you supposed to use the usb serial line differently from the other UARTs ? did I fry the stlink header ? I am using mbed
2018-05-22T01:50:22 < mawk> I precise that when using my own serial adapter I'm powering the board through E5V and not the mini usb plug
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2018-05-22T01:53:00 < mawk> here is the code: http://paste.suut.in/9Knkenqc.cpp
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2018-05-22T02:07:44 < Thorn> mawk: what current is being consumed by the device when it happens
2018-05-22T02:07:48 < Thorn> >Color: 橙红色
2018-05-22T02:08:07 < Thorn> should I buy 橙红色-colored leds?
2018-05-22T02:08:11 < mawk> that's a very good question
2018-05-22T02:08:17 < mawk> but I don't have a multimeter
2018-05-22T02:08:32 < mawk> but that's what I had in mind yeah, too much drawing on the current
2018-05-22T02:08:49 < mawk> that would cause the stlink header to fail but not the board itself ?
2018-05-22T02:11:53 < Thorn> 橙红色 is 615-652nm, red is 620-625nm. so what is the difference. is it just 'warm red'?
2018-05-22T02:13:44 < mawk> more brownish red maybe
2018-05-22T02:14:08 < Cracki> looks like tighter range
2018-05-22T02:15:05 < mawk> tighter ? broader you mean
2018-05-22T02:15:17 < Cracki> whichever of both you take as reference
2018-05-22T02:15:20 < mawk> ah
2018-05-22T02:16:05 < Thorn> Emitted Color : Super Orange Red.
2018-05-22T02:17:27 < Cracki> 620 nm is right on the edge of what they call orange and red https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_spectrum#Spectral_colors
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2018-05-22T03:10:23 < bitmask> https://youtu.be/uTgl7417xgs
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2018-05-22T03:16:09 < Laurenceb_> e-stalker Steffanx
2018-05-22T03:16:18 < Laurenceb_> he knows the secrets of the babby shakin
2018-05-22T03:33:59 < Laurenceb_> http://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.co.uk/
2018-05-22T03:34:21 < Laurenceb_> someone else lost their marbles
2018-05-22T03:35:09 < Laurenceb_> >buy my book
2018-05-22T03:35:16 < Laurenceb_> moar liek "my sides"
2018-05-22T03:38:19 < branjb> inertia is caused by relativistic horizons damping quantum fields
2018-05-22T03:44:47 < branjb> ~science~ on the internet is a religion
2018-05-22T03:47:47 < PeterM> i thought inertia was caused by terry davis
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2018-05-22T04:31:06 < stvn> Why didn’t Laurenceb tell me about gamedude
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2018-05-22T04:46:34 < PeterM> whats gamedude? aside from a computer store in brissy?
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2018-05-22T06:28:03 < stvn> Some very autistic YouTube fuck who went mad
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2018-05-22T06:32:41 < englishman> zyp, do you know anything about chargepoint
2018-05-22T06:32:52 < englishman> looks like the only 'smart' charger available
2018-05-22T06:33:11 < englishman> there are gov rebates so might spring for it and run 8 gauge after all
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2018-05-22T09:55:34 < sagiftw> Hi. I'm using HAL_UART_Transmit_DMA to send a buffer over UART. However, it only works if the buffer is a compile-time constant. If I alter the buffer during runtime, the old buffer is being transmitted again. Any ideas how to solve it?
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2018-05-22T09:57:38 < Thorn> declare buffer volatile
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2018-05-22T10:36:16 < Steffanx> Lol Laurenceb. Is he the guy you mentioned being on irc?
2018-05-22T10:37:05 < stvn> Whut the fuck is that supposed to mean?
2018-05-22T10:37:34 < Steffanx> He once said his supervisor is on irc, freenode
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2018-05-22T10:38:26 < Steffanx> I have to up my e-stalk game
2018-05-22T10:38:43 < Steffanx> Nah, joking. Im not THAT much of an arsehold.
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2018-05-22T10:41:19 < stvn> For the TLC tugger project
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2018-05-22T11:13:03 < zyp> englishman, got a link?
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2018-05-22T11:17:10 < zyp> https://www.chargepoint.com/drivers/home/ <- this thing, I guess?
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2018-05-22T11:25:50 < zyp> englishman, doesn't seem to be available in europe so I'm not familiar with it, but it doesn't look unreasonable
2018-05-22T11:26:15 < zyp> price also looks decent enough compared to what I'd have to pay for something comparable
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2018-05-22T12:24:33  * Laurenceb_ shakes the babby
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2018-05-22T12:33:06 < Laurenceb_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5755681/Married-man-offers-door-door-sperm-delivery-service-65-children-hopes-reach-100.html
2018-05-22T12:33:16 < Laurenceb_> typical britbong business
2018-05-22T12:37:49 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2018-05-22T12:38:02 < Laurenceb_> McCulloch has published in iop
2018-05-22T12:38:05 < Laurenceb_> I cant even
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2018-05-22T12:41:30 < Laurenceb_> quantised inertia predicts that matter is only the interaction of photons and information horizons, which means that we can form any type of matter from light and horizons: cue the Star Trek replicator
2018-05-22T12:42:12 < Laurenceb_> quantised inertia is the seed for a huge new physics and engineering industry that will dwarf Manchester's graphene breakthrough and eventually dwarf everything else as well
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2018-05-22T12:47:29 < stvn> Laurenceb_: where’s gamedude
2018-05-22T12:47:58 < Laurenceb_> gamedude?
2018-05-22T12:48:57 < stvn> Yeah mate
2018-05-22T12:49:10 < stvn> ED knows
2018-05-22T12:49:42 < Laurenceb_> til ED is now run by Count Dankula
2018-05-22T12:49:50 < Laurenceb_> this explains everything
2018-05-22T12:50:52 < Laurenceb_> http://freethinker.co.uk/images/uploads/2017/05/pug.jpg
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2018-05-22T13:54:04 < karlp> that betta lemee was pretty cool thanks jadew :)
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2018-05-22T14:09:09 < kakimir> how do I determine right mask margin for footprint pads?
2018-05-22T14:09:14 < kakimir> I have 3x3 attiny20
2018-05-22T14:09:28 < kakimir> it has like 20+1 pads
2018-05-22T14:09:32 < zyp> follow the datasheet?
2018-05-22T14:09:43 < kakimir> yeah brah
2018-05-22T14:10:00 < kakimir> atmel let's you figure it out yourself
2018-05-22T14:10:11 < zyp> there's probably some IPC spec for it
2018-05-22T14:10:16 < zyp> just follow that
2018-05-22T14:10:31 < kakimir> afaik it's non standard package
2018-05-22T14:10:36 < kakimir> or variant
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2018-05-22T14:11:30 < kakimir> is there usually problem if there is no mask between pads of quad flat pack
2018-05-22T14:11:48 < kakimir> at least prototype did work
2018-05-22T14:12:06 < Sagiftw> Hello. Why does the function HAL_UART_Transmit_DMA only allows to send a buffer that was created at compile-time, but when I alter the buffer during runtime, it sends the old buffer again???
2018-05-22T14:12:20 < Thorn> Sagiftw: declare buffer volatile
2018-05-22T14:12:53 < kakimir> If I want mask to extend between pins I need to use something like 0.1mm mask width
2018-05-22T14:12:59 < kakimir> does that even sound realistic?
2018-05-22T14:13:29 < Thorn> kakimir: it's probably realistic for extra $$$
2018-05-22T14:13:35 < Sagiftw> Thorn: I tried but it still doesn't work!
2018-05-22T14:14:26 < Thorn> Sagiftw: pastebin code
2018-05-22T14:15:07 < Thorn> kakimir: iirc pcbway does 0.4mm solder bridges, or 0.1mm for extra shekels
2018-05-22T14:15:56 < Thorn> *solder mask bridges
2018-05-22T14:16:41 < Thorn> which means that 0.5mm qfp and any qfn (and even tssop-0.65) won't have any solder mask between pads
2018-05-22T14:17:44 < kakimir> I think my pad spacing is 0.4mm Thorn
2018-05-22T14:18:13 < kakimir> actually 0.45mm
2018-05-22T14:18:24 < Sagiftw> Thorn: https://pastebin.com/qndPE0Rv
2018-05-22T14:18:59 < Sagiftw> I'm going to freak out because of this bug :p
2018-05-22T14:19:16 < Thorn> you need the buffer to be volatile when you're altering it
2018-05-22T14:19:27 < Thorn> i.e. on line 63
2018-05-22T14:19:58 < Thorn> oh wait you did declare it volatile
2018-05-22T14:20:49 < kakimir> I wonder if I could go to really small margin for mask
2018-05-22T14:20:53 < Thorn> it's a strange sequence though, why do you start dma transfer and immediately change the buffer
2018-05-22T14:20:56 < kakimir> like under 0.05mm
2018-05-22T14:21:46 < Sagiftw> Thorn: I want to be able to change the buffer at some point
2018-05-22T14:21:53 < zyp> changing it before or changing it after probably doesn't make a difference in practice, DMA shouldn't have gotten to element 4 by the time it's changed
2018-05-22T14:22:15 < stvn> m
2018-05-22T14:22:18 < zyp> either way, element 4 should count up for each message sent with that code
2018-05-22T14:22:47 < zyp> Sagiftw, and you're seeing the same message being sent every time?
2018-05-22T14:23:01 < zyp> i.e. more than twice in a row?
2018-05-22T14:23:10 < Thorn> kakimir: if you mean solder mask expansion you can set it to 0, the mfr will probably expand it anyway when preparing the photomasks
2018-05-22T14:23:13 < Sagiftw> zyp: Yes. I see: 0x55, 0xAA, 0xA1, 0x02, 0x12, 0x34, ERROR_CODE, 0xE9
2018-05-22T14:23:46 < zyp> Sagiftw, and that's sending continously, twice per second?
2018-05-22T14:23:55 < Sagiftw> zyp: Yes
2018-05-22T14:24:42 < Sagiftw> However, I can change between buffers that were created in compile time.
2018-05-22T14:25:03 < zyp> have you tried looking at the buffer contents with the debugger?
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2018-05-22T14:25:16 < Sagiftw> if (i%2==0) buff = aTxStartMessage2; else aTxStartMessage3;
2018-05-22T14:25:24 < zyp> i.e. you could do something like "p/x aTxStartMessage2" in gdb
2018-05-22T14:25:32 < Sagiftw> zyp: Yes. In the debugger the buffer changes every time!
2018-05-22T14:26:17 < Thorn> Sagiftw: what chip? not stm32f7 by any chance?
2018-05-22T14:26:18 < zyp> it still keeps sending the old buffer contents, even when you see in the debugger that the contents have changed?
2018-05-22T14:26:22 < kakimir> pcbway has minimum clearance for mask 75micrometers
2018-05-22T14:26:24 < Sagiftw> STM32H7
2018-05-22T14:26:27 < zyp> ah
2018-05-22T14:26:32 < kakimir> and minimum bridge 150micrometer
2018-05-22T14:26:33 < zyp> I know what Thorn is thinking
2018-05-22T14:26:35 < zyp> cache issue
2018-05-22T14:26:39 < kakimir> I get almost 150micrometer
2018-05-22T14:26:49 < kakimir> and note: only on green color
2018-05-22T14:26:52 < Thorn> caches do not belong in microcontrollers
2018-05-22T14:26:58 < kakimir> other colors has worse specs
2018-05-22T14:27:13 < zyp> I guess the new value get put into d-cache but doesn't propagate out into ram
2018-05-22T14:27:27 < zyp> cpu/debugger reads/writes d-cache, dma reads sram
2018-05-22T14:28:21 < Laurenceb> muh shake
2018-05-22T14:28:46 < zyp> I don't have any experience working with cortex-m7 yet, so I don't know what the appropriate way to handle this is
2018-05-22T14:29:11 < Sagiftw> It sounds like some caching problem indeed
2018-05-22T14:29:19 < zyp> I believe your options are to either declare a memory area to be write-through and make sure the dma buffer is located there, or explicitly flush the cache
2018-05-22T14:29:26 < Thorn> I tested my usb driver on f7 and that's it. (and it doesn't yet use dma)
2018-05-22T14:29:56 < Thorn> looks like only the n00bs use f7/h7 lol
2018-05-22T14:30:26 < Thorn> they want the latest and most powerful chip as if it were an iphone or a video card
2018-05-22T14:30:36 < zyp> explicitly flushing the cache before starting the dma job sounds like a reasonable pattern to me
2018-05-22T14:30:50 < Thorn> in reality it only means more problems
2018-05-22T14:30:57 < Sagiftw> zyp: How can I flush the cache?
2018-05-22T14:31:23 < Sagiftw> Thorn: It's only for prototyping
2018-05-22T14:31:36 < zyp> like I said, I don't have actual experience doing it :)
2018-05-22T14:31:48 < zyp> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.dui0646b/BABIGDDC.html <- but this should help
2018-05-22T14:34:32 < zyp> chapter 4.8.4 lists some CMSIS functions to deal with it
2018-05-22T14:34:53 < zyp> if you're lazy, you do a SCB_CleanDCache() to flush all of it
2018-05-22T14:35:23 < zyp> if you're less lazy, use the _by_Addr() to just flush the cache lines containing your DMA buffer
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2018-05-22T14:39:36 < zyp> Thorn, I don't have anything against caches, but if you got an MCU with one, it's essential that you either learn to use it properly or turn it off
2018-05-22T14:40:35 < Thorn> and if you're a noob, start with the simplest chip, not the most complicated one lol (this needs to be in a FAQ or something)
2018-05-22T14:41:48 < zyp> speaking more generally, I don't really agree
2018-05-22T14:42:37 < zyp> IMO, F4 would be a great starting point for somebody new to stm32
2018-05-22T14:45:28 < zyp> F1 is old and outdated (GPIOv1 is a lot more confusing than GPIOv2), F0 is so simple it doesn't give you much help with fault debugging which is a good thing to learn early, etc..
2018-05-22T14:48:39 < zyp> also, if you really need the performance of cortex-m7, caches are essential and learning to use them correctly is also a useful skill
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2018-05-22T15:01:22 < karlp> f4 has some cheap(ish) parts too.
2018-05-22T15:01:33 < zyp> yeah
2018-05-22T15:01:47 < karlp> f4 or l4 would be where i'd start.
2018-05-22T15:01:55 < zyp> I like good old f405/f407 because they're cheap and well supported
2018-05-22T15:01:56 < karlp> l0 if you really want the smaller ones.
2018-05-22T15:02:05 < PeterM> st dont have any m0+ parts do they, all jsuty m0 right?
2018-05-22T15:02:10 < zyp> l0 is m0+
2018-05-22T15:02:22 < PeterM> l0 is pricey though
2018-05-22T15:02:26 < PeterM> compared to f0
2018-05-22T15:02:28 < zyp> I've used l0 over f0 for that reason
2018-05-22T15:02:31 < karlp> not if I can convince more people to buy them ;)
2018-05-22T15:02:39 < PeterM> lol true
2018-05-22T15:02:48 < zyp> my nfc readers are using l0
2018-05-22T15:02:58 < karlp> m0+ is more like m0-fixed
2018-05-22T15:03:01 < zyp> yeah
2018-05-22T15:03:41 < zyp> if m0 had SCB_VTOR, I'd probably be okay with it
2018-05-22T15:03:57 < zyp> but the inability to do a custom bootloader properly is a dealbreaker
2018-05-22T15:04:01 < Thorn> lpc8xx is m0+ and cheap
2018-05-22T15:04:09 < zyp> and lpc
2018-05-22T15:04:12  * karlp laughs
2018-05-22T15:04:26 < Thorn> and has switch matrix and sctimer
2018-05-22T15:04:27 < zyp> not getting fooled by that again
2018-05-22T15:05:14 < Thorn> but no usb or can :/
2018-05-22T15:05:35 < zyp> at that point, SCB_VTOR is kinda moot
2018-05-22T15:05:50 < Thorn> i2c is definitely more sane in lpc
2018-05-22T15:05:55 < zyp> no point in a custom bootloader if you don't have a convenient interface to bootload over
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2018-05-22T15:11:32 < Laurenceb> https://science.slashdot.org/story/18/05/21/232257/german-test-reveals-that-magnetic-fields-are-pushing-the-em-drive
2018-05-22T15:11:34 < Laurenceb> btfo
2018-05-22T15:17:10 < Streaker> whoa! people still visit slashdot.org?
2018-05-22T15:18:15 < PeterM> yeah?
2018-05-22T15:19:28 < Thorn> The researchers also inserted an enormous attenuator.
2018-05-22T15:19:55 < Laurenceb> no homo
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2018-05-22T15:24:34 < Laurenceb> https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12134012&cid=56650646
2018-05-22T15:24:40 < Laurenceb> typical slashdot comment
2018-05-22T15:25:04 < PeterM> typical laurenceb link
2018-05-22T15:25:28 < Laurenceb> implying I didnt also make the comment
2018-05-22T15:25:59 < PeterM> no such implications
2018-05-22T15:29:02 < Laurenceb> and genocide posters https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12133778&cid=56649330
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2018-05-22T15:33:00 < PeterM> zyp karlp thorn, H7, when was this released? and what does it offer?
2018-05-22T15:33:16 < Laurenceb> muh speed
2018-05-22T15:33:20 < zyp> some time last year, IIRC
2018-05-22T15:33:21 < Laurenceb> muh megacyclists
2018-05-22T15:33:30 < zyp> H7 is basically a faster F7 AFAIK
2018-05-22T15:33:35 < PeterM> fuck off spergB
2018-05-22T15:33:53 < Laurenceb> PeterM it is in fact you who is autistic https://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113834.png
2018-05-22T15:34:11 < PeterM> does it have the better of the two FPUs available for the M7?
2018-05-22T15:34:27 < zyp> I don't know that
2018-05-22T15:34:28 < PeterM> or the same one as in the f7
2018-05-22T15:34:37 < karlp> f7 now comes in both single and double float versions :)
2018-05-22T15:34:39 < zyp> doesn't F7 come with both kinds?
2018-05-22T15:34:41 < karlp> for added fun with product numbers
2018-05-22T15:34:45 < Laurenceb> yes
2018-05-22T15:34:46 < Laurenceb> woah
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2018-05-22T15:34:51 < Laurenceb> it has double fpu
2018-05-22T15:34:59 < PeterM> oh noice, i didnt hear about that
2018-05-22T15:35:02 < karlp> you would know thi sif you paid attentoin instead of spamming lolrence
2018-05-22T15:35:09 < Laurenceb> this is actually interesting
2018-05-22T15:35:21 < PeterM> i guess thats what happens when youre away for such a time
2018-05-22T15:35:22 < karlp> I'm not really what h7 is for tbh.
2018-05-22T15:35:24 < zyp> looks like H7 is all double
2018-05-22T15:36:01 < Laurenceb> obviously for audiophools
2018-05-22T15:36:06 < Laurenceb> muh distortion
2018-05-22T15:36:20 < PeterM> karlp you're running into SOC territory with the H7
2018-05-22T15:36:24 < karlp> indeed.
2018-05-22T15:36:26 < zyp> I wonder if H7 has a different feature size from F7 or something
2018-05-22T15:36:41 < Laurenceb>  "fast" 16 bit adc sounds interesting
2018-05-22T15:36:48 < Laurenceb> maybe it truly is audiophool
2018-05-22T15:37:19 < karlp> yeah, withdual qspi and ethernet and all the lcd shit it just sounds crazy
2018-05-22T15:37:45 < karlp> I thin it's for people who don't want to have multi processors, theyjust want one great big thing, that still has the mcu realtime capability
2018-05-22T15:38:11 < Laurenceb> 4.5 MSPS at 12 bits
2018-05-22T15:38:12 < jadew> karlp, np
2018-05-22T15:38:14 < karlp> even if a cortex-a with even usb attached -m or some of the -a hybrid parts would make more sense.
2018-05-22T15:38:15 < Laurenceb> lel no so good
2018-05-22T15:38:25 < zyp> ah
2018-05-22T15:38:30 < karlp> what is "good" to you lolrence?
2018-05-22T15:38:31 < zyp> F7 is 90nm, H7 is 40nm
2018-05-22T15:38:42 < Laurenceb> karlp: 16 bits at several msps
2018-05-22T15:38:44 < karlp> what does that mean for end users zyp?
2018-05-22T15:38:50 < zyp> karlp, nothing
2018-05-22T15:39:03 < Laurenceb> oh ok
2018-05-22T15:39:10 < zyp> but it explains where they got the speed from
2018-05-22T15:39:11 < Laurenceb> 16 bits @ 3.6msps
2018-05-22T15:39:11 < PeterM> probably worse performing peripherals
2018-05-22T15:39:13 < Laurenceb> not bad
2018-05-22T15:39:24 < karlp> I mean, they hcanged processes within f4 doesn't it? not sure that should warrant a new product name?
2018-05-22T15:39:26  * karlp shrugs
2018-05-22T15:39:53 < Laurenceb> 13.5enob
2018-05-22T15:39:59 < karlp> stm32wb however....
2018-05-22T15:41:15 < Laurenceb> it could deliver ~100ksps @ 16enob with some resampling
2018-05-22T15:41:27 < zyp> stm32wb seems fun enough, but it'd be interesting with a generic purpose multicore thing too
2018-05-22T15:41:44 < Laurenceb> but audiophile is 96kHz/24bit
2018-05-22T15:41:51 < zyp> i.e. like lpc43xx, just sane
2018-05-22T15:43:16 < zyp> also waiting for stm32 with armv8-m
2018-05-22T15:43:42 < Laurenceb> even for muh simcode I often use float...
2018-05-22T15:43:54 < Laurenceb> not sure if double on microcontroller is needed
2018-05-22T15:44:40 < PeterM> im not sure i see the purpose of the stm32wb
2018-05-22T15:44:54 < PeterM> i mean, i get it, but how practical is it really?
2018-05-22T15:45:24 < zyp> PeterM, in what sense?
2018-05-22T15:46:47 < PeterM> i dont see why a normal high speed m4 wouldnt work just as well
2018-05-22T15:47:14 < PeterM> i mean, sure there is all the overhead when "multitasking"
2018-05-22T15:47:30 < zyp> you mean the dualcore part?
2018-05-22T15:47:36 < PeterM> but its only a 64mhz m4 applications processor
2018-05-22T15:47:44 < zyp> it's probably so they can ship a proprietary blob to run on the coprocessor
2018-05-22T15:48:02 < PeterM> maybe but it doesnt make sense to me to have the m4 so gimped
2018-05-22T15:48:18 < zyp> TI does the same with some of their radio chips
2018-05-22T15:48:45 < zyp> IIRC they have a wifi chip with three or four cortex-m cores, where one is for user code and the rest are running a proprietary stack
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2018-05-22T15:49:24 < zyp> IMO it's a cleaner solution than nRF's softdevice stuff
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2018-05-22T15:49:39 < PeterM> sure, but i understand why nRF do their thing
2018-05-22T15:50:00 < zyp> the softdevice stuff is a vendor blob that coexists with user code on the same cpu, adds a lot of scheduling constraints and stuff
2018-05-22T15:50:06 < PeterM> like, nobody is going to buy the WB unless they are doing radio, so why not jsut make it an asic
2018-05-22T15:50:23 < PeterM> or stick the radio onboard
2018-05-22T15:50:30 < zyp> wat?
2018-05-22T15:50:58 < PeterM> i dont see a use for the WB outside of their radio applications
2018-05-22T15:50:59 < PeterM> right
2018-05-22T15:51:05 < zyp> agreed
2018-05-22T15:51:30 < PeterM> so if you are going to use it with their radio applicaitons,  and always load a binary blob on it, why nto make the coprocessor an asic
2018-05-22T15:52:18 < PeterM> or atleast a lot of super radio specific peripherals
2018-05-22T15:52:37 < zyp> because upper layer protocol handling doesn't make sense doing in hardware instead of software?
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2018-05-22T15:53:11 < zyp> what you're really asking now is "why give the user access to the coprocessor instead of treating it as a hardware blob?"
2018-05-22T15:53:18 < zyp> and the answer is "why not?"
2018-05-22T15:53:39 < zyp> let users that want to run their own or third party radio stacks on the coprocessor
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2018-05-22T15:55:29 < PeterM> but then wouldnbt it make more sense the  bundle the coprocessor with radios rather than with an application processor?
2018-05-22T15:58:29 < karlp> there's nuvoton m23-m33, are any other vendors with v8-m yet?
2018-05-22T16:02:17 < zyp> PeterM, what do you mean? it is bundled with a radio
2018-05-22T16:03:12 < PeterM> how the fuck did i miss that
2018-05-22T16:03:32 < Laurenceb> still prefer stm32w
2018-05-22T16:03:38 < Laurenceb> annoying that it was cancelled
2018-05-22T16:03:46 < karlp> you prefer the thing that effectively didn't exist?
2018-05-22T16:03:52 < karlp> you are a precious flower arent you
2018-05-22T16:06:43 < karlp> nrf91 will be m33 apparently.
2018-05-22T16:17:41 < englishman> zyp: thanks, can you think of a yuro equivalent?
2018-05-22T16:18:15 < englishman> getting 6.6km/kWh now or 15.15kW/100km in your units
2018-05-22T16:20:14 < zyp> I haven't really kept up, but charge-amps halo should be fairly comparable in features
2018-05-22T16:20:24 < zyp> at a glance it seems to be about twice the price too
2018-05-22T16:22:15 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NOPQw1FXLY wtf I hate pjw now
2018-05-22T16:22:21 < englishman> swedish luxury charger
2018-05-22T16:23:36 < englishman> I'm not sure why but I expected a 'smart' charger to be more... common
2018-05-22T16:24:00 < zyp> there's probably a bunch of other stuff too, I haven't kept up
2018-05-22T16:24:09 < englishman> working on your own :)
2018-05-22T16:24:13 < zyp> yeah
2018-05-22T16:26:36 < zyp> current state of that is that I need to finish the main controller board
2018-05-22T16:27:10 < zyp> layout have been mostly done for a year and a half now, just need to throw out the edison and find something to replace it with :p
2018-05-22T16:28:09 < englishman> lol
2018-05-22T16:28:16 < zyp> thinking about just putting on an ethernet phy
2018-05-22T16:28:27 < Haohmaru> !wz varna
2018-05-22T16:28:28 < englishbot> [Varna, Bulgaria] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 24.3°C. NNW wind: 2.1 kph. Humidity: 53%.
2018-05-22T16:28:30 < englishman> if size is not a concern the rpi compute module looks decent
2018-05-22T16:28:37 < englishman> at least it will probably be available in 2 years
2018-05-22T16:29:01 < englishman> artik is cool, but only one module is socketed, and it's still an annoying 0.4mm socket without alignment pins, and there are 3
2018-05-22T16:29:03 < zyp> it's too big, and doesn't even have ethernet :)
2018-05-22T16:29:15 < mra90> in linker script should we take care of uC buses? Map them etc?
2018-05-22T16:29:21 < zyp> no
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2018-05-22T16:29:44 < englishman> interesting
2018-05-22T16:30:35 < PeterM> !wz penrith
2018-05-22T16:30:37 < englishbot> [Penrith, United Kingdom] Clear. Temp is 16.6°C. North wind: 3.1 kph. Humidity: 67%.
2018-05-22T16:30:54 < englishman> !wz penrith, australia
2018-05-22T16:30:55 < englishbot> [Penrith, Australia] Clear. Temp is 14.4°C. NW wind: 1.0 kph. Humidity: 58%.
2018-05-22T16:31:03 < PeterM> close enough lol
2018-05-22T16:31:06 < englishman> yea
2018-05-22T16:31:26 < aandrew> haha
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2018-05-22T16:37:19 < zyp> englishman, the point of stuffing in a linux module was partly to avoid doing TCP/IP on embedded and partly to run master software for sharing power between multiple outlets
2018-05-22T16:37:43 < englishman> sounds like a job for esp8266 adhoc mode
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2018-05-22T16:38:16 < zyp> nah, I figure I'll just add an ethernet phy, then run cables
2018-05-22T16:38:42 < englishman> avoiding lunix is always smart.
2018-05-22T16:38:43 < zyp> could always put a rpi in a din rail enclosure next to it to run master/gateway software
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2018-05-22T16:42:06 < Laurenceb> the caucasity
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2018-05-22T16:45:02 < bitmask> herro
2018-05-22T16:52:40 < zyp> sup?
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2018-05-22T17:00:54 < Laurenceb> pwelch is muh new favourite methlab function
2018-05-22T17:00:57 < Laurenceb> i liek dis
2018-05-22T17:01:32 < BrainDamage> not cumtrapz?
2018-05-22T17:01:51 < Laurenceb> just needs spice model export
2018-05-22T17:01:52 < Laurenceb> lul
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2018-05-22T17:03:35 < mra90> is it possible to run linux in plain nucleo board with ST32F446?
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2018-05-22T17:04:03 < karlp> not on any of the plain ones, you need at least some extra ram
2018-05-22T17:04:06 < Laurenceb> sounjds like a challenge
2018-05-22T17:04:36 < Laurenceb> someone ran ubuntu on an arduino
2018-05-22T17:04:54 < mra90> maybe there is some distro for 'embedeed'
2018-05-22T17:04:55 < karlp> but https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/arch/arm/mach-stm32 for instance...
2018-05-22T17:05:14 < Laurenceb> lul do they have drivers
2018-05-22T17:05:24 < karlp> if you search https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/arch/arm/boot/dts for stm32 you can see all the baords that it already runs on..
2018-05-22T17:05:55 < karlp> but you've got to _realllly_ know why you would do this first,
2018-05-22T17:06:15 < Laurenceb> 	stm32f429-disco.dts
2018-05-22T17:06:17 < Laurenceb> my sides
2018-05-22T17:06:33 < karlp> you use that phrase too much, in ways that make no sense
2018-05-22T17:06:34 < mra90> karlp: thanks, do it to see how does it works
2018-05-22T17:06:47 < karlp> again, thi sis work that was done years ago, I don't know why you think this is so lol worthy
2018-05-22T17:07:03 < karlp> mra90: it's almost definitely not what you really want to be doing.
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2018-05-22T17:07:29 < mra90> karlp: what do you think I want to do with it? :)
2018-05-22T17:08:09 < karlp> if you knew that linux wsa going to be suitable for your task at hand, you would have already known how to find those dts files.
2018-05-22T17:08:27 < karlp> and the quality of your questions and level of them to date reinforces my position on this.
2018-05-22T17:08:45 < karlp> if you're looking for an os to run for your tasks on an stm32, linux is not likely to be that.
2018-05-22T17:08:49 < Laurenceb> >mra = mens rights activist amirite?
2018-05-22T17:09:27 < zyp> Laurenceb, less shitposting please
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2018-05-22T17:10:16 < mra90> karlp: Well yes and no
2018-05-22T17:10:25 < mra90> I want o just play with it, no project in mind 
2018-05-22T17:10:57 < zyp> mra90, what benefit are you imagining to get from running linux?
2018-05-22T17:11:25 < mra90> Studying kernel
2018-05-22T17:11:36 < mra90> thats more or less all
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2018-05-22T17:12:06 < zyp> if the goal is to study linux, I'd suggest doing it on a more capable platform, e.g. some cortex-a
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2018-05-22T17:12:41 < invzim> u.fl -> scope = very interesting, can actually see effect of beads and stuff
2018-05-22T17:13:07 < zyp> invzim, hmm?
2018-05-22T17:13:09 < invzim> but now I want a better scope of course
2018-05-22T17:13:51 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OO-vgMDY-0f10uV4zoZ1NjDBWaKHBeSK
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2018-05-22T17:14:56 < zyp> the problem with wanting a better scope is that the price tends to rise by an order of magnitude with each step on the "better" scale
2018-05-22T17:16:22 < invzim> well, I got an old ds1052e hacked to 100mhz
2018-05-22T17:17:24 < invzim> so pretty much anything available would be better - looking at the Siglent SDS1204X-E
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2018-05-22T17:18:39 < zyp> are scopes in the same price range nowadays really that much better? I have a ds1042c myself which is a generation older than yours
2018-05-22T17:19:24 < invzim> well, 200mhz and 4 channels + a nice screen
2018-05-22T17:19:52 < invzim> and hopefully a non-kludgy way to get screenshots via network and not mess with usb sticks
2018-05-22T17:20:25 < invzim> and being a hobbyist, I don't have to the fancy stuff at work..
2018-05-22T17:20:29 < zyp> uh, getting screenshots from the rigol isn't hard, is it?
2018-05-22T17:20:30 < invzim> access to
2018-05-22T17:21:11 < zyp> I used to have a script for mine that I just ran, which grabbed a screenshot over usb and saved a png
2018-05-22T17:21:17 < invzim> it's not hard, but not incredibly convenient either
2018-05-22T17:21:36 < zyp> apart from having to have usb plugged in, I don't see any inconvenience
2018-05-22T17:23:52 < zyp> I don't think I've used that script for like 7-8 years or so, so I'm not sure I can find it, but it's certainly possible
2018-05-22T17:25:08 < Thorn> 'better' scope startts with 50Ω inputs
2018-05-22T17:27:38 < BrainDamage> there's inline impedance adapters
2018-05-22T17:28:21 < Ultrasauce> how do those work? i just measure across a termination but i assume that's wrong and dumb
2018-05-22T17:28:32 < BrainDamage> unless you work at very high freqs, and given it's a 100MHz scope it's not, you can just diy one with a T and a terminator
2018-05-22T17:29:30 < BrainDamage> you can do that
2018-05-22T17:29:40 < BrainDamage> it's called source termination instead of load termination
2018-05-22T17:29:56 < BrainDamage> you'll get reflections from the scope, but they'll die when they bounce back at the source
2018-05-22T17:30:28 < BrainDamage> ideally you want both, because mismatches at the source means back and forth bounces, which distort the wave
2018-05-22T17:30:38 < BrainDamage> so you want to terminate close to the scope too
2018-05-22T17:31:10 < BrainDamage> the T works only if the wavelength is much larger than the T itself, otherwise you need a proper termination resistor that's inline in the waveguide ( coax )
2018-05-22T17:32:03 < Ultrasauce> sounds like i can continue to halfass my way to victory
2018-05-22T17:32:15 < BrainDamage> considering it'll cost you 5$ between T and termination resistor, there's no reason not to
2018-05-22T17:32:28 < BrainDamage> it's still halfassed, but less halfassed
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2018-05-22T17:34:19 < BrainDamage> also, i hope your source termination is properly sized
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2018-05-22T17:37:41 < Thorn> lcsc sent me 200 12.1KΩ resistors (in 2 bags) instead of 100
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2018-05-22T17:39:23 < Thorn> I can now bias as many ethernet phys as I want
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2018-05-22T17:52:53 < Laurenceb> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/435g9p/how-to-help-an-incel-sex-therapist
2018-05-22T17:52:56 < Laurenceb> my sides
2018-05-22T17:53:36 < aandrew> some dude in the US is advocating women giving men sex on their terms to help prevent incel shootings
2018-05-22T17:54:08 < Laurenceb> its the only way to save a life
2018-05-22T17:54:23 < Laurenceb> fight shooters with cooters
2018-05-22T17:54:29 < aandrew> hahaha
2018-05-22T17:54:36 < aandrew> dude put that up on a sign and sellt hem
2018-05-22T17:54:43 < aandrew> bumper stickers, etc
2018-05-22T17:54:47 < aandrew> you've got a winner
2018-05-22T17:55:04 < Laurenceb> wow vice is even worse than I remember
2018-05-22T17:55:13 < Laurenceb> pre 2010 it was kind of readable
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2018-05-22T17:57:47 < day> like forbes magazine
2018-05-22T17:57:58 < day> they do frickn fortnite articles these days :D
2018-05-22T17:58:14 < Laurenceb> dire
2018-05-22T17:58:22 < Laurenceb> they think they are so smart
2018-05-22T17:58:44 < day> their product placement in die hard 1 was brilliant
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2018-05-22T18:19:58 < R0b0t1`> Laurenceb: aandrew: Did I mention the Netherlands considering sex a basic right and giving disabled people a stipend to spend on sex workers?
2018-05-22T18:20:14 < Laurenceb> tiem to move house
2018-05-22T18:20:33 < karlp> R0b0t1`: which is rather different to what jordan is saying.
2018-05-22T18:20:46 < R0b0t1`> Comes from the same place, no?
2018-05-22T18:21:18 < karlp> not all things that come from the same place are equal...
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2018-05-22T18:23:11 < R0b0t1`> If you want to explain why they are not equal I suppose I would listen but until then I have no idea how they are not
2018-05-22T18:32:25 < Laurenceb> doh pwelch
2018-05-22T18:32:48 < Laurenceb> >calculate transfer from A->B and B->C
2018-05-22T18:33:02 < Laurenceb> >doesnt match A->C calculated transfer
2018-05-22T18:33:30 < Laurenceb> pwelch doesnt handle real world data as well as it claims
2018-05-22T18:33:58 < Laurenceb> https://sourceforge.net/p/octave/signal/ci/default/tree/inst/pwelch.m  all those arguments O_o
2018-05-22T18:36:58 < Laurenceb> guess thats to be expected as its trying to chuck uncorrelated junk out at each stage
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2018-05-22T18:43:17 < aandrew> wtf is pwelch
2018-05-22T18:43:25 < aandrew> R0b0t1`: I heard of that years ago
2018-05-22T18:43:28 < aandrew> is it moving forward?
2018-05-22T18:43:51 < R0b0t1`> I think it was reported on when it was already implemented
2018-05-22T18:43:58 < aandrew> ah
2018-05-22T18:44:06 < Laurenceb> aandrew: read the comments in the source to find out
2018-05-22T18:44:13 < aandrew> honestly in a society that doesn't criminalize sex workers I don't see the issue
2018-05-22T18:44:32 < aandrew> ah, didn't seee the link
2018-05-22T18:44:40 < aandrew> also can't read matlab very well but can read the english comments
2018-05-22T18:44:41 < Laurenceb> true story: my neighbours daughter is a hooker
2018-05-22T18:44:48 < Laurenceb> >be me
2018-05-22T18:44:58 < Laurenceb> >walking through seedy street at 1am
2018-05-22T18:45:27 < Laurenceb> > (just for exercise, honest)
2018-05-22T18:45:43 < Laurenceb> >see hookers coming towards me, one of them recognises me
2018-05-22T18:45:48 < Laurenceb> >awkward.jpg
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2018-05-22T18:46:34 < Thorn> a hooker and an incel recognize each other. awkward^2.jpg
2018-05-22T18:46:45 < Laurenceb> ikr
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2018-05-22T19:01:49 < R0b0t1`> Some days I am sad I can not get a date, but then I just realize that this must be the Lord's plan for me, and it is okay.
2018-05-22T19:04:14 < Laurenceb> >religion incels
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2018-05-22T19:08:15 < aandrew> religincel
2018-05-22T19:12:16 < zyp> I fucked up
2018-05-22T19:12:51 < BrainDamage> you clicked on a laurenceb's link?
2018-05-22T19:13:00 < zyp> no, I had to walk home from work
2018-05-22T19:13:15 < BrainDamage> battery discharged?
2018-05-22T19:13:29 < zyp> road past the office is closed due to a bike race
2018-05-22T19:13:57 < BrainDamage> btw, how does 'jumpstarting' work on an electric car? are there portable batteries in suitcases?
2018-05-22T19:13:59 < zyp> I thought it was only tomorrow, so I planned on biking to work tomorrow
2018-05-22T19:14:06 < zyp> turns out it was both today and tomorrow
2018-05-22T19:14:15 < Laurenceb> sounds like race screwed up
2018-05-22T19:14:26 < Laurenceb> surely u can drive along the side of the road slowly
2018-05-22T19:14:41 < zyp> nope, it's completely closed for cars
2018-05-22T19:14:47 < BrainDamage> generally all the traffic is blocked during a bike race
2018-05-22T19:14:51 < Laurenceb> sounds like a challenge
2018-05-22T19:15:06 < BrainDamage> altough here the block lasts a hour or two at most
2018-05-22T19:15:40 < zyp> I asked the guy at the roadblock, he estimated two and a half hour until it'd be open again
2018-05-22T19:16:17 < aandrew> nice, stm32h743 nucleo board on my desk
2018-05-22T19:16:29 < BrainDamage> amateur race? professionals tend to be more consistent
2018-05-22T19:17:04 < zyp> apparently they're going three loops or something
2018-05-22T19:17:13 < Laurenceb> wonder if there is chibios for h7
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2018-05-22T19:17:33 < zyp> http://tourdesfjords.no/gb/ <- this shit
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2018-05-22T19:18:46 < Laurenceb> http://www.chibios.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=chibios:product:hal:platforms
2018-05-22T19:18:51 < Laurenceb> lel no f7 or h7
2018-05-22T19:18:53 < Laurenceb> dead 2 me
2018-05-22T19:19:16 < aandrew> stm32cubemx ftw
2018-05-22T19:19:20 < Laurenceb> eww
2018-05-22T19:19:31 < aandrew> heh
2018-05-22T19:20:41 < Laurenceb> http://www.chibios.com/forum/download/file.php?avatar=2_1462542734.jpg
2018-05-22T19:20:51 < Laurenceb> le mafia face
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2018-05-22T19:22:05 < Laurenceb> heh it has adc and gpio support, but no usb
2018-05-22T19:22:30 < Laurenceb>  F7 more or less works in chibios
2018-05-22T19:24:06 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpUoXaQZtlo even moar fail than that video
2018-05-22T19:24:32 < zyp> https://www.grimstad.kommune.no/handlers/bv.ashx/icc4ca0d8-3264-43bc-9483-c8cab1cd1ba5/Kart%20rundl%C3%B8ype%20m%20merking%20og%20tekst%20070518.png <- here's the map of the path the race is taking
2018-05-22T19:24:45 < Laurenceb> now we know where u live
2018-05-22T19:24:47 < Thorn> it has almost the same usb as f4
2018-05-22T19:25:03 < Laurenceb> Thorn: ikr, apparently its broken according to forumz
2018-05-22T19:25:15 < Laurenceb> and nobody has tested the other peripherals yet...
2018-05-22T19:25:27 < zyp> it's impossible to drive into and out of the orange area right now
2018-05-22T19:26:12 < zyp> and it's also impossible to get out of the areas east of it, which is where my office is
2018-05-22T19:26:34 < BrainDamage> interesting they use a loop, here the tracks are almost always rectilinear
2018-05-22T19:26:56 < zyp> yeah, idk why
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2018-05-22T19:27:25 < karlp> I can't see why f7 usb doesn't work using f4 code either yet :)
2018-05-22T19:28:40 < zyp> hmm, tomorrow they are only passing through, so tomorrow the road will probably be open again by the time I go home
2018-05-22T19:28:56 < zyp> so it was today I should have biked to work, not tomorrow :p
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2018-05-22T19:29:35 < BrainDamage> if you run out of battery with an electric car, are you forced to tow it or is there some device to temporarily charge the batteries / directly feed the engine?
2018-05-22T19:30:20 < Thorn> powerbank lol
2018-05-22T19:30:33 < BrainDamage> 10kWh powerbank
2018-05-22T19:30:50 < BrainDamage> probably not very portable
2018-05-22T19:30:56 < zyp> BrainDamage, an EV can be jumpstarted just like a gasoline car
2018-05-22T19:31:45 < zyp> jumpstarting an EV is not going to help you if you run out of power in the HV battery though, just like jumpstarting a gasoline car doesn't help you if you run out of gasoline
2018-05-22T19:32:12 < BrainDamage> ah, so you can jumpstart the control electronics
2018-05-22T19:32:26 < BrainDamage> yes, my main question was about the main storage battery
2018-05-22T19:32:29 < zyp> yes, EVs have a conventional 12V battery like other cars
2018-05-22T19:32:53 < zyp> which is fed from the HV battery through a DCDC, analogous to the alternator in a gasoline car
2018-05-22T19:33:24 < zyp> the 12V battery feeds the contactor which connects the HV battery, so if the 12V battery runs out, you might actually need a jumpstart
2018-05-22T19:33:43 < zyp> what you are askin about though is something analogous to a jerry can, not a jumpstart
2018-05-22T19:33:56 < BrainDamage> yes, sorry, i used the wrong wording initially
2018-05-22T19:34:16 < BrainDamage> altough in principle you could charge share between 2 EV main storage batteries
2018-05-22T19:34:43 < BrainDamage> ( no idea if the chargers / protocols can )
2018-05-22T19:34:57 < zyp> I'm not sure what exists in practice, I think I've seen pictures of trucks with DC fast chargers, but I'm not sure how much more than conceptual they are
2018-05-22T19:35:16 < zyp> in practice if I run out, I'd expect to be towed to the closest fast charger
2018-05-22T19:36:15 < BrainDamage> it's such a rare occurrence so except some extremely ditzy person, it's not a big deal
2018-05-22T19:36:23 < zyp> you can't safely hook two batteries together without a DCDC in between, and the cars doesn't have that
2018-05-22T19:36:46 < zyp> idk, it shouldn't be that hard to run out
2018-05-22T19:37:01 < zyp> I've been pretty close a couple of times
2018-05-22T19:37:03 < BrainDamage> yeah, i know about battery equalization and the nice surge if you don't regulate current
2018-05-22T19:37:39 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/2CTzt.jpg <- remaining range in the bottom right
2018-05-22T19:37:43 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/6jATS.jpg
2018-05-22T19:38:23 < BrainDamage> how much does reserve last?
2018-05-22T19:38:37 < zyp> no idea, don't think there is a reserve below 0%
2018-05-22T19:39:20 < BrainDamage> ok, so rounding and measurement precision, that does sound a bit of a close call
2018-05-22T19:39:40 < englishman> nice
2018-05-22T19:39:50 < englishman> how long were you driving at 0%
2018-05-22T19:40:20 < englishman> that is an interesting dash cluster
2018-05-22T19:48:20 < zyp> couple of kilometers, but it was downhill
2018-05-22T19:48:28 < invzim> allright, latest truestudio + cubemx actually works 
2018-05-22T19:48:48 < invzim> did a virgin install on windows 10, and with ubuntu for windows I get stuff like bash and git
2018-05-22T19:49:22 < zyp> and yes, the cluster is cute
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2018-05-22T19:51:17 < zyp> it's like the gasoline variants, just substituting the power meter for the tachometer and the available power meter for the engine temp
2018-05-22T19:52:17 < zyp> available power meter is pretty useless, it basically sits at max until battery has like 10% left, then goes down towards zero over the last 10%
2018-05-22T19:52:33 < zyp> but the power meter is neat
2018-05-22T19:56:18 < englishman> does your car have 1-pedal mode? do you use it?
2018-05-22T19:56:37 < englishman> unfortunately the leaf does not, but i really liked it in the tesla
2018-05-22T19:57:40 < Laurenceb> >finally muricans can drive a car
2018-05-22T19:58:32 < mcudev> Question on the ST HAL drivers, system tick.  It looks like my system isn't incrementing the tick.  I used CubeMX to make the project and selected Timebase Source as SysTick.  What increments the system tick timer?
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2018-05-22T20:02:52 < mcudev> I adjusted the config in CubeMX to use TIM1 and I see the HAL_IncTick() call in the TIM1 IRQ, if not using TIM1 what increments the system tick with "Timebase Source as SysTick"
2018-05-22T20:12:24 < Laurenceb> that rings a bell
2018-05-22T20:12:32 < Laurenceb> while since I used CubeMX...
2018-05-22T20:12:47 < Laurenceb> to me, to you https://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113844.png
2018-05-22T20:12:57 < zyp> englishman, yes and yes
2018-05-22T20:13:57 < zyp> egolf has five selectable levels of regen when you let off the accelerator
2018-05-22T20:14:47 < englishman> interesting, but, why would you use anything else but max regen in 1-pedal mode?
2018-05-22T20:15:32 < zyp> they are selected by the gear lever, pulling it back switches between D (no regen) and B (full regen), pushing it sideways switches between the mid-modes
2018-05-22T20:15:55 < zyp> I never use the middle levels, but regularly switches between D and B
2018-05-22T20:17:54 < zyp> B is pretty much a true one-pedal mode where I basically don't have to touch the brake pedal at all unless something sudden happens and I actually need the mechanical brakes
2018-05-22T20:18:12 < zyp> I use that going through intersections and whatever
2018-05-22T20:18:53 < zyp> and when I'm just coasting along longer stretches, I use D so I can just take the foot off the pedal and let the car roll
2018-05-22T20:20:19 < zyp> it also does some clever blending if I'm switching between the modes while having the foot on the pedal
2018-05-22T20:22:20 < zyp> I don't have enough experience in other EVs to really compare with, but IMO VW have got the regen modes as good as it gets
2018-05-22T20:23:05 < zyp> as for the middle modes, idk, freedom of choice?
2018-05-22T20:24:00 < zyp> one of my friends likes leaving the car in one of the middle modes when he drives my car, he says it feels more like driving a conventional car with a little bit of engine braking
2018-05-22T20:24:12 < zyp> in D it coasts like in neutral and in B it regens pretty hard
2018-05-22T20:26:49 < zyp> before I bought the golf, I were driving a manual car, downshifting to slow down before intersections, so switching to B when approaching intersections feels pretty natural to me
2018-05-22T20:27:48 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7G4e0CRRdw
2018-05-22T20:28:00 < Laurenceb> ^I have made a youtube channel
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2018-05-22T20:30:11 < englishman> sounds like the tesla, then, except for the adjustable regen
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2018-05-22T20:35:26 < Aditya> https://www.itead.cc/blog/build-stm32-development-environment-under-linux will this link be useful enough for starting stm32 under linux?
2018-05-22T20:35:38 < Aditya> or more is needed?
2018-05-22T20:35:57 < englishman> HOW TO BUILD SMT32 DEVELOPMENT ENVIROMENT UNDER LINUX
2018-05-22T20:36:01 < englishman> not off to a great start there
2018-05-22T20:36:29 < englishman> it looks kind of dated, maybe wait for a linux pro in this chan to chime in
2018-05-22T20:36:42 < aandrew> Aditya: it's much easier to do it this way
2018-05-22T20:36:45 < aandrew> (one moment)
2018-05-22T20:37:46 < Aditya> englishman, is it not a good idea to work on STM32 under env?
2018-05-22T20:38:01 < Aditya> because I saw MDK-ARM and mbed too
2018-05-22T20:38:10 < englishman> referring to the spelling errors. especially the SMT32 spelling error. after 3 years.
2018-05-22T20:38:12 < Aditya> aandrew, sure
2018-05-22T20:38:56 < englishman> if lunix is a requirement for some reason, then you won't be using pro tools like MDK-ARM, but im sure aandrew can help you out.
2018-05-22T20:39:23 < Aditya> Nice eyes, englishman I was too fixated on the text.
2018-05-22T20:39:55 < aandrew> https://github.com/stv0g/stm32cube-gcc -- this is what I base all my work off of
2018-05-22T20:40:10 < aandrew> I have taken that and grown it out quite a bit but that is a very good makefile to base your work off of
2018-05-22T20:40:52 < Aditya> aandrew, for coding the stuff, use command lines or use an IDE?
2018-05-22T20:41:26 < aandrew> I use command line (vim) but also sublime text when Iwant to gui things up
2018-05-22T20:41:49 < Laurenceb> le anti lunix bigots
2018-05-22T20:42:12 < Aditya> and there seems to be a lot of moving parts here, can I find resources on that.
2018-05-22T20:42:25 < BrainDamage> the compiler is detached from the ide
2018-05-22T20:42:36 < BrainDamage> which allows both flexibility, but also more failure points
2018-05-22T20:43:08 < aandrew> it's hardly a "failure point"
2018-05-22T20:43:24 < BrainDamage> for me not, for those that want a self contained solution, it sorta is
2018-05-22T20:43:53 < englishman> lunix is a big failure point
2018-05-22T20:45:02 < BrainDamage> i always miss ctrl shift p (n)vim
2018-05-22T20:45:07 < Aditya> so I use an text editor to code, and use the command line to send the thing to board?
2018-05-22T20:45:08 < BrainDamage> bleh
2018-05-22T20:45:25 < BrainDamage> not necessarily, you can install an ide and let the ide do those for you
2018-05-22T20:45:54 < BrainDamage> however most linux users do prefer a more direct interface
2018-05-22T20:46:14 < Aditya> Yeah I saw an eclipse thing is it really okay to do that way?
2018-05-22T20:46:15 < aandrew> you make sure the compiler's on the path, and 'make'
2018-05-22T20:46:18 < BrainDamage> eg that clunky piece of junk of eclipse can do it
2018-05-22T20:46:21 < aandrew> if it can't find it is your only failure point
2018-05-22T20:46:34 < aandrew> unlike eclipse bullshit which can fail a million differnet ways that have *nothing* to do with the toolchain
2018-05-22T20:46:50 < aandrew> Aditya: it depends on what you want to do
2018-05-22T20:47:08 < aandrew> Aditya: I reflash all my stlinks to jlinks and use JLinkExe from command line (well within my makefile) to flash
2018-05-22T20:47:24 < aandrew> you can use gdb (cli) or ozone (gui) to debug, works great
2018-05-22T20:47:53 < aandrew> if you want to do it the official way, you use ... wtf is that called, systemworkbench or someshit?
2018-05-22T20:47:58 < aandrew> garbage anyway
2018-05-22T20:48:10 < Aditya> okay, to consolidate, text editor plus and gdb does the trick.
2018-05-22T20:48:19 < BrainDamage> you'll need a tool to flash it too
2018-05-22T20:48:31 < BrainDamage> texane's or openocd
2018-05-22T20:48:35 < Aditya> aandrew, STMworkbench, I have seen it and it is shit
2018-05-22T20:49:08 < BrainDamage> you'll need also /another/ part
2018-05-22T20:49:19 < Steffanx> TrueStudio is the official way anonnumberanon.
2018-05-22T20:49:20 < Steffanx> *aandrew
2018-05-22T20:49:25 < BrainDamage> a library to manage the registers / hw / etc
2018-05-22T20:49:28 < Steffanx> as it's owned by st now
2018-05-22T20:49:36 < BrainDamage> well, it's not strictly necessary, but it does help
2018-05-22T20:49:51 < Aditya> so flashing in general microcontroller terminology right, sending the thing into the board right?
2018-05-22T20:50:05 < Aditya> BrainDamage, like a middleware thing?
2018-05-22T20:50:10 < BrainDamage> yes, the chip also acts as a debug bridge
2018-05-22T20:50:18 < BrainDamage> to connect gdb
2018-05-22T20:50:35 < BrainDamage> the software on the host side interfaces with the debug chip
2018-05-22T20:51:16 < BrainDamage> so your toolsuite will be editor, debugger, debug/flash bridge, hardware library
2018-05-22T20:51:19 < Aditya> CMSIS is a middleware right?
2018-05-22T20:52:14 < BrainDamage> cmsis falls into the latter, hardware abstraction library
2018-05-22T20:52:26 < Aditya> BrainDamage, what did you mean by hardware library.
2018-05-22T20:52:27 < BrainDamage> there's multiple choices there
2018-05-22T20:52:44 < Aditya> like heap and stack intialization things?
2018-05-22T20:53:09 < BrainDamage> register names, clock tree initialization, gpio configuration, etc
2018-05-22T20:53:13 < aandrew> Steffanx: truestudio that was it
2018-05-22T20:53:39 < aandrew> my basic workflow is to use cube to set up pins etc, generate code once, then go thorugh and un-fuck all the garbage
2018-05-22T20:53:41 < Aditya> so aandrew truestudio no good them?
2018-05-22T20:53:42 < aandrew> $#&*$*&#*$&#*%&#*$&$*#&$#
2018-05-22T20:53:46 < aandrew> PUT USER CODE HERE
2018-05-22T20:53:47 < aandrew> $#&*$*&#*$&#*%&#*$&$*#&$#
2018-05-22T20:53:55 < aandrew> god how I fucking hate that bullshit
2018-05-22T20:53:58 < Steffanx> Aditya, some people hate eclipse. So then truestudio is no good.
2018-05-22T20:54:10 < Steffanx> but dont base your opinion on htat of others
2018-05-22T20:54:15 < aandrew> Aditya: I didn't say that. I said I don't use IDEs. Lots of people love them. I don't.
2018-05-22T20:54:21 < Steffanx> i mean: Heil Keil. 
2018-05-22T20:54:21 < aandrew> Steffanx: ^^ truth right there
2018-05-22T20:54:31 < aandrew> dongs loves keil.
2018-05-22T20:54:47 < aandrew> Laurenceb loves chibios
2018-05-22T20:54:59 < aandrew> jadew loves gypsies, but we still let him hang out here
2018-05-22T20:55:03 < BrainDamage> btw aandrew do you know of a _DECENT_ ctrl shift p alternative in (n)vim ?
2018-05-22T20:55:14 < aandrew> what is ctrl-shift-p?
2018-05-22T20:55:36 < BrainDamage> fuzzy search menu in sublime, lets you execute nearly every command by searching by name
2018-05-22T20:55:47 < BrainDamage> vim has a builtin command search, but it sucks
2018-05-22T20:55:58 < aandrew> ahh. event hough I've used vim for almost two decades I'm still a newb at it
2018-05-22T20:56:02 < BrainDamage> it's not fuzzy search based, the completions are limited and awkward, etc
2018-05-22T20:56:16 < aandrew> I literally use a shell and grep -ril somefuncname src
2018-05-22T20:56:42 < aandrew> or SOME_MACRO_NAME or whatever
2018-05-22T20:56:53 < BrainDamage> it's not just search, you can call nearly every command, it's lovely, from reindenting, to commenting, etc
2018-05-22T20:57:03 < aandrew> interesting
2018-05-22T20:57:06 < aandrew> I haven't used it
2018-05-22T20:57:06 < BrainDamage> i never remember the hotkeys so it's perfect for me
2018-05-22T20:57:15 < Aditya> I am starting to hate eclipse as of now, too much anal stuff
2018-05-22T20:57:25 < aandrew> my favourite in sublime is ctrl-shift-cursor
2018-05-22T20:57:28 < aandrew> (block mode)
2018-05-22T20:57:42 < aandrew> Aditya: I hate how it tries to do everything to make you type as little as possible
2018-05-22T20:57:55 < aandrew> it's constantly suggesting inane shit
2018-05-22T20:58:27 < aandrew> and then you sneeze and the project won't build anymore becuase of some intenral eclipse db. the makefile's fine, the project settings are fine but SomeFuckingJavaCamelCaseXMLBullshitSettingIsSet=True and nothing works
2018-05-22T20:58:56 < antto> such much wonderful, wow
2018-05-22T20:58:56 < Aditya> I faced it todat afternoon with my AVR stuff.
2018-05-22T20:59:03 < Steffanx> Only thing i hate about eclipse is so many base their IDE on eclipse, modify crap and/or use an old version.
2018-05-22T20:59:14 < aandrew> fuck all that shit. if make fails I see the error and can locate and fix it. I don't need to go on SO to find some 3 year old question with eighteen differently wrong answers 
2018-05-22T20:59:21 < Steffanx> AVR. You can have a nice conversation with antto, Aditya.
2018-05-22T20:59:23 < zyp> I switched from code composter studio to vscode with a vim plugin at work some weeks ago, it's actually working out fairly well so far
2018-05-22T20:59:38 < Steffanx> CCS. :D
2018-05-22T20:59:45 < antto> i use one IDE for everything.. Code::Blocks
2018-05-22T20:59:54 < Steffanx> No Atmel Studio?
2018-05-22T20:59:56 < BrainDamage> i used to use c::b long time ago
2018-05-22T20:59:57 < aandrew> you wanna go one step deeper into Dante's Infero, try CCES for Sharc development
2018-05-22T21:00:09 < aandrew> not only is it ancient Eclipse, it's also fucking retarded Sharc
2018-05-22T21:00:12 < aandrew> nothing works the way you expect
2018-05-22T21:00:27 < antto> windows/linux/avr/espressif (puke)/stm32 (akchually, no)/ ...
2018-05-22T21:00:31 < aandrew> I grab the Atmel git repo for their HAL and dump the rest of it
2018-05-22T21:01:00 < Aditya> zyp, I am switching completely from windows just because my university machines use windows.
2018-05-22T21:01:36 < Steffanx> wut?
2018-05-22T21:02:10 < Aditya> for debugger as aandrew sugessted gdb or ozone.
2018-05-22T21:02:37 < zyp> switching from windows doesn't matter, what are you switching _to_?
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2018-05-22T21:03:33 < Aditya> I already use debian for some python and avr stuff, 
2018-05-22T21:03:46 < antto> debian ftw
2018-05-22T21:04:04 < Steffanx> windows 7 in windows 95 style ftw.
2018-05-22T21:04:11 < antto> i use debian for kicad/avr/librecad
2018-05-22T21:04:23 < Aditya> planning to switch to ubuntu sometime next month, that is if things don't pan-out well
2018-05-22T21:04:30 < antto> noooooooo
2018-05-22T21:04:40  * antto pukes
2018-05-22T21:04:41 < zyp> heh
2018-05-22T21:04:46 < Aditya> it's shit?
2018-05-22T21:04:49 < Steffanx> You need gentoo or archlunix.
2018-05-22T21:04:51 < zyp> ubuntu is basically retarded debian
2018-05-22T21:05:15 < zyp> at least, that's how using it feels
2018-05-22T21:05:20 < antto> Aditya "canonical" (the organization that pulls the strings in debian) is doing uber shady stuff
2018-05-22T21:05:32 < antto> EHM in UBUNTU, not debian
2018-05-22T21:05:32 < Steffanx> Where is dongs?
2018-05-22T21:05:40 < zyp> taiwan?
2018-05-22T21:05:43 < Aditya> Steffanx, I am no mood to fill up any fuck up assessment forms anymore.
2018-05-22T21:05:59 < BrainDamage> Aditya: there's some topics that turn the majority of devs into passionate discussions, text editors, distro choice and browsers
2018-05-22T21:05:59 < Steffanx> We need some fresh insights about lunix. Dongs is an expert in that.
2018-05-22T21:06:17 < BrainDamage> so far you've hit 2/3
2018-05-22T21:06:26 < antto> what's the third one?
2018-05-22T21:06:31 < Steffanx> firefox.
2018-05-22T21:06:35 < zyp> either wai, it doesn't fucking matter what linux distro you use, the available tools for stm32 dev are the same either way
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2018-05-22T21:06:37 < antto> ah, well firefox ftw
2018-05-22T21:06:40 < Aditya> BrainDamage, I can see that.
2018-05-22T21:07:04 < Aditya> this is the most lively channel I have seen in the past one month.
2018-05-22T21:07:16 < BrainDamage> wait until dongs gets in
2018-05-22T21:07:22 < Aditya> antto, firefox ftw
2018-05-22T21:07:41 < Steffanx> or stvn.
2018-05-22T21:07:46 < antto> but the world wide web has gone very wrong
2018-05-22T21:07:51 < antto> and keeps going down
2018-05-22T21:08:03 < BrainDamage> oh, i was forgetting a 4th
2018-05-22T21:08:07 < BrainDamage> programming language choice
2018-05-22T21:08:15 < antto> C++ ftw
2018-05-22T21:08:19 < Steffanx> Where is haohmaru?
2018-05-22T21:08:43 < antto> Haohmaru doesn't stay 24h a day at work ya know >:/
2018-05-22T21:08:53 < antto> onl 16
2018-05-22T21:08:56  * antto hides
2018-05-22T21:09:00 < Aditya> BrainDamage, what do you actually mean by debugger/flash bridge, is it like some kind of middleware stuff?
2018-05-22T21:09:29 < BrainDamage> it's a hardware interface layer
2018-05-22T21:09:53 < Aditya> okay, what is the use?
2018-05-22T21:10:06 < BrainDamage> it lets the debugger talk to the hardware device ( stlink, jlink, etc ), as well as flash the memory
2018-05-22T21:10:35 < BrainDamage> it sits as middleware wrt the debugger, but standalone wrt flashing
2018-05-22T21:10:50 < BrainDamage> common choices are texane's stink and openocd
2018-05-22T21:10:59 < BrainDamage> stlink*
2018-05-22T21:11:05 < Steffanx> texane is still a thing?
2018-05-22T21:11:35 < BrainDamage> i use it when i can't be assed to find the right profile in open obsessive compulsive disorder
2018-05-22T21:12:06 < BrainDamage> literal laziness
2018-05-22T21:12:17 < Aditya> I am starting with a very basic board, http://in.element14.com/stmicroelectronics/stm32f0discovery/evaluation-board-cortex-m0-f0/dp/2096251?st=STM32%20discovery
2018-05-22T21:12:20 < Aditya> that one
2018-05-22T21:12:22 < Steffanx> Im disappointed BrainDamage
2018-05-22T21:12:51 < BrainDamage> speaking of obsessive compulsive disorder, since yesterday you talked about it, this happened in ##physics
2018-05-22T21:13:05 < BrainDamage> 'LeelooMinai: Was directed here from #chat - want to see what people think about my idea of how universe works... damn, that must sound like I am crazy.  I may be thought, but still...'
2018-05-22T21:13:36 < Steffanx> The Leeloo...
2018-05-22T21:13:41 < BrainDamage> Aditya: discovery boards have on-board debug / flash bridge, it's called stlink
2018-05-22T21:13:49 < BrainDamage> Aditya: it's the small chip on top
2018-05-22T21:16:19 < aandrew> < Steffanx> We need some fresh insights about lunix. Dongs is an expert in that.
2018-05-22T21:16:28 < aandrew> his insights into linux aren't fresh, but rather time-worn
2018-05-22T21:16:37 < Steffanx> hah, yes. Same old etc.
2018-05-22T21:17:26 < aandrew> wow leeloo is around
2018-05-22T21:17:58 < aandrew> I miss her around here. not sure why dongs had such a hard-on for her
2018-05-22T21:18:18 < Aditya> so from the texane link I get that that the stlink chip is somewhat similar to that of a usb blaster.
2018-05-22T21:18:42 < BrainDamage> yes
2018-05-22T21:19:00 < BrainDamage> jtag/swd interface, in that case it's swd only
2018-05-22T21:19:31 < BrainDamage> use openocd, don't be lazy like me
2018-05-22T21:19:38 < BrainDamage> do as i say, don't do as i do
2018-05-22T21:20:11 < Aditya> so when gdb server is run this converts all the JTAG commands to USB and texane acts like a LUT?
2018-05-22T21:20:48 < Aditya> BrainDamage, one step at a time, for three days I was confused as fuck on where to start, today I am getting some clarity.
2018-05-22T21:22:11 < BrainDamage> when debugging gdb <-> texane <-> stlink chip <-> uC
2018-05-22T21:22:39 < BrainDamage> when flashing: firmware -> texane -> stlink chip -> uC
2018-05-22T21:23:13 < BrainDamage> replace texane with openocd as necessary
2018-05-22T21:23:24 < BrainDamage> same role, different software
2018-05-22T21:23:36 < BrainDamage> left half is software, right half is hw
2018-05-22T21:24:19 < Aditya> openocd says it's just an apt-get install away
2018-05-22T21:24:34 < Aditya> BrainDamage, my prof will be really jealous of you.
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2018-05-22T21:25:21 < Aditya> and finally the hardware libraries, what should I do for them?
2018-05-22T21:27:03 < Aditya> something like this http://libopencm3.org/ ?
2018-05-22T21:27:16 < BrainDamage> that's a popular choice
2018-05-22T21:28:15 < Aditya> popular choice is not always the right choice,.
2018-05-22T21:28:22 < BrainDamage> it's not a bad one
2018-05-22T21:28:27 < Aditya> so what is the right choice?
2018-05-22T21:28:52 < BrainDamage> try a few, see what feels right, depends on your preferences
2018-05-22T21:29:10 < invzim> Aditya: I'm playing with a new dev-setup today, truestudio + cubemx - painless so far
2018-05-22T21:29:21 < BrainDamage> do you want some c++ abstraction? there's zyp's laks, do you want a RTOS? there's chibios, etc, 
2018-05-22T21:29:51 < invzim> get something working first, then see if you care to dig around for dev-tool options
2018-05-22T21:30:17 < BrainDamage> libopencm3 will be perfectly adequate to start
2018-05-22T21:30:28 < Aditya> thanks BrainDamage 
2018-05-22T21:30:51 < Aditya> well I ordered the thing it seems that it is going to take three weeks to get the board
2018-05-22T21:36:05 < Aditya> So libopencm3 contains syntax like stuff for everything.
2018-05-22T21:36:42 < Aditya> please do correct me if I go wrong
2018-05-22T21:39:06 < Aditya> is there like a programming manual like thing for these things?
2018-05-22T21:43:28 < Steffanx> Otherwise the LL_* stuff that is part of the cube/hal is a good way to start.
2018-05-22T21:44:36 < Steffanx> What kind of programming manual are you looking for Aditya?
2018-05-22T21:44:49 < Steffanx> libopencm3 comes with quite a few examples
2018-05-22T21:44:58 < Aditya> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/blob/master/examples/stm32/f1/stm32vl-discovery/miniblink/miniblink.c 
2018-05-22T21:45:05 < Aditya> like that right?
2018-05-22T21:45:13 < Steffanx> and for chip info you should really read a bit through the reference manual
2018-05-22T21:45:14 < Steffanx> yes
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2018-05-22T21:45:23 < Steffanx> Except that's for another chip/family
2018-05-22T21:45:42 < Steffanx> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/tree/master/examples/stm32/f0/stm32f0-discovery your board.
2018-05-22T21:46:44 < Steffanx> farnell takes 3 weeks?!
2018-05-22T21:46:52 < Aditya> to India, yes
2018-05-22T21:47:26 < Aditya> we don't have a direct deal with farnell, an third party deals with the things
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2018-05-22T21:48:19 < Steffanx> oh, india.
2018-05-22T21:49:02 < Aditya> No wonder we high have highest amount of engineers of poorest quality.
2018-05-22T21:50:41 < englishman> aandrew which dect voip phone do you have again
2018-05-22T21:50:47 < englishman> would like to get one for the house
2018-05-22T21:50:55 < englishman> grandstream dp750 looks ok
2018-05-22T21:51:02 < Steffanx> lol, your words Aditya :d
2018-05-22T21:51:09 < englishman> steffy irl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_swivbEsD50
2018-05-22T21:52:02 < Steffanx> Hedde hedde drugs op?
2018-05-22T21:52:14 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CrUJ-_9cFY your mom englishman
2018-05-22T21:52:19 < Aditya> Steffanx, only one thing matters in my univ, marks
2018-05-22T21:52:44 < englishman> lol
2018-05-22T21:53:37 < Steffanx> I hate memes, but i like those dutch weirdos, englishman :P
2018-05-22T21:53:40 < Steffanx> kinda dutch memes
2018-05-22T21:57:39 < Aditya> these static void clock_setup(void) I saw them in the API documentation, but what needs to be declared within them is something I did not see anywhere, so how's it done.
2018-05-22T21:57:46 < Aditya> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/blob/master/examples/stm32/f1/stm32vl-discovery/adc-dac-printf/adc-dac-printf.c
2018-05-22T21:59:10 < Aditya> So if anybody has an clue on that please help.
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2018-05-22T22:09:27 < BrainDamage> grab the datashit for your stm chip
2018-05-22T22:09:31 < BrainDamage> look at the clock tree
2018-05-22T22:09:42 < BrainDamage> learn to love that diagram, because you'll be staring at it a lot
2018-05-22T22:10:27 < BrainDamage> to turn on a periferial you send clock to it, which means setting the clock multipliers on the clock distribution tree
2018-05-22T22:13:47 < englishman> timecube has a great clocktree too
2018-05-22T22:16:04 < Aditya> BrainDamage, it is indeed beautiful.
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2018-05-22T22:26:53 < mra90> I am confused on how many UART my nucleo has oO
2018-05-22T22:27:05 < mra90> http://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers/stm32f446.html?querycriteria=productId=LN1875 says 8
2018-05-22T22:27:12 < mra90> reference manual says 6
2018-05-22T22:27:57 < zyp> where does the page you linked say 8? I see 6
2018-05-22T22:28:09 < zyp> «Up to 20 communication interfaces (including 4x USARTs plus 2x UARTs …»
2018-05-22T22:28:46 < mra90> zyp: scroll down
2018-05-22T22:29:04 < mra90> and use slider and chack how many USART it list
2018-05-22T22:29:13 < mra90> 4x UART + 4x USART
2018-05-22T22:29:23 < zyp> probably a typo in the table
2018-05-22T22:29:53 < mra90> zyp: but you spotted the sentence with I overlooked thanks
2018-05-22T22:30:04 < mra90> i focued on that responsive table first ;)
2018-05-22T22:30:23 < zyp> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/65/cb/75/50/53/d6/48/24/DM00141306.pdf/files/DM00141306.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00141306.pdf is the authorative source, btw
2018-05-22T22:30:43 < zyp> ref. table on page 13
2018-05-22T22:32:17 < mra90> zyp: end even there is a typo
2018-05-22T22:32:32 < zyp> where?
2018-05-22T22:32:37 < mra90> "USART/UART 4/2"
2018-05-22T22:32:43 < mra90> while it should be
2018-05-22T22:32:48 < mra90> USART/UART 2/4
2018-05-22T22:32:52 < zyp> no?
2018-05-22T22:33:19 < zyp> 4/2 is consistent with the other sentence I pasted
2018-05-22T22:33:40 < mra90> okay maybe I confused sth
2018-05-22T22:33:48 < mra90> anyway thanks for confirmation
2018-05-22T22:33:48 < zyp> there's six uarts in total, four of them also has synchronous mode
2018-05-22T22:34:00 < mra90> Yes you are right
2018-05-22T22:35:20 < emeryth> better check the pinout to see how many of them you can actually use :P
2018-05-22T22:36:20 < zyp> that too, but that depends on what other functions you need
2018-05-22T22:36:58 < zyp> I assume all six can be used concurrently without conflicts with each other, otherwise there wouldn't be any point in having 6 :)
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2018-05-22T23:21:42 < aandrew> englishman: one moment
2018-05-22T23:22:35 < aandrew> grandstream DP750 is the basestation
2018-05-22T23:23:18 < englishman> ok cool
2018-05-22T23:23:26 < englishman> $200 beaverbux for base station and two handsets
2018-05-22T23:23:28 < englishman> pretty cheap
2018-05-22T23:24:50 < aandrew> yep
2018-05-22T23:24:52 < aandrew> it's not a bad set
2018-05-22T23:24:57 < aandrew> the worst thing about it is the stupid ringtones
2018-05-22T23:25:01 < Steffanx> lol
2018-05-22T23:25:45 < aandrew> but the system is good. dect so zero interference, up to 6 or 8 handsets per basestation, SIP stack doesn't suck balls
2018-05-22T23:25:48 < aandrew> took me a while to find it
2018-05-22T23:26:33 < karlp> what does one do with a home phone?
2018-05-22T23:26:58 < karlp> I mean, with the pricing of mobile plans I don't even see it being useful for calling from the shed to the house?
2018-05-22T23:27:17 < aandrew> karlp: we still use it a fair bit
2018-05-22T23:27:40 < aandrew> LD to romania etc, no wifi fade issues (vs sip phones on the cell), and works were there's poor cell signal
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2018-05-22T23:29:23 < englishman> karlp, i dont even have a mobile plan except for data, its all voip
2018-05-22T23:29:32 < karlp> heh, poor cell signal...
2018-05-22T23:31:19 < englishman> but, i find voip sucks dick if you are further than 5m from a wifi point
2018-05-22T23:31:30 < Ecco> https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/azXGPmz_460sv.mp4
2018-05-22T23:31:35  * Ecco wonders how this works
2018-05-22T23:32:04 < englishman> upgrading to a bunch of ubnt shit with sector antennas covering the whole property is still a good idea but meh
2018-05-22T23:32:42 < Ecco> I gave Ubiquity gear a shot a while ago. Long story short: it blows big time.
2018-05-22T23:33:01 < Ecco> I eventually figured out that second-hand Cisco gear was dirty cheap and so incredibly reliable it's not even funny.
2018-05-22T23:33:09 < Ecco> *dirt
2018-05-22T23:33:14 < karlp> Ecco: most people seem to have a different experience than you.
2018-05-22T23:33:33 < Ecco> I don't know.
2018-05-22T23:33:37 < englishman> yeah, what didn't you like?
2018-05-22T23:33:43 < englishman> it's either that or microdick
2018-05-22T23:33:51 < englishman> my experience with used cisco shit has been super bad
2018-05-22T23:33:58 < Ecco> englishman: has it? how comes?
2018-05-22T23:33:59 < englishman> IE6 and activeX web interface etc
2018-05-22T23:34:01 < Steffanx> i live my unify.
2018-05-22T23:34:03 < Steffanx> love.
2018-05-22T23:34:05 < Ecco> wat?
2018-05-22T23:34:30 < Ecco> My issue with UniFy is that it's targeted for geeks but still use a clunky UI.
2018-05-22T23:34:45 < Ecco> Cisco gives you a CLI.
2018-05-22T23:34:50 < Steffanx> So does your unifi.
2018-05-22T23:35:05 < Steffanx> You can go hardcore lunix cli if you want
2018-05-22T23:35:29 < Ecco> Well, last time I tried, you even needed to log onto their server to configure a single WiFi AP.
2018-05-22T23:35:36 < Ecco> I don't remember quite well though.
2018-05-22T23:35:47 < Steffanx> their server? ok..
2018-05-22T23:36:01 < aandrew> Ecco: really. I've heard ubiquity is the shit
2018-05-22T23:36:22 < englishman> cli is not a feature
2018-05-22T23:36:24 < Ecco> Well, so did I, but I've had a bad experience with a WiFi AP of theirs.
2018-05-22T23:36:33 < Steffanx> Sure it's a feature englishman. Dont trigger me.
2018-05-22T23:36:34 < Ecco> englishman: it depends. Sometimes it is.
2018-05-22T23:36:43 < Ecco> Depends on who/what you're targeting :)
2018-05-22T23:36:45 < Steffanx> it can be a bad feature, but still a feature.
2018-05-22T23:36:52 < englishman> if a function doesnt have a button or menu, then it shouldn't exist.
2018-05-22T23:37:05 < Steffanx> Hmm, do you have a button or a menu?
2018-05-22T23:37:10 < aandrew> haha
2018-05-22T23:37:18 < aandrew> I disagree, CLI is so much better for anything nontrivial
2018-05-22T23:37:25 < mawk> in the mbed RTOS what is the exact meaning of the realtime scheduling priority ? it means the thread can't get preempted ?
2018-05-22T23:37:26 < englishman> i am not a function i am a free man
2018-05-22T23:37:32 < aandrew> my managed switches are old cisco stuff, cli only baby
2018-05-22T23:37:35 < Steffanx> but you do have belly button right?
2018-05-22T23:37:38 < Ecco> I used to really like pfSense though
2018-05-22T23:37:50 < Ecco> But the latest revision made the UI terrible
2018-05-22T23:37:59 < englishman> everything in the office runs SO much faster since i deleted that shitBSD pfsense garbage
2018-05-22T23:38:21 < Ecco> Hmm, you might have misconfigured it
2018-05-22T23:38:22 < Steffanx> Damn, it's hate o'clock.
2018-05-22T23:38:26 < Ecco> :-D
2018-05-22T23:38:29 < BrainDamage> get you a man that can do both
2018-05-22T23:38:40 < Ecco> That being said, my comparison isn't quite fair
2018-05-22T23:38:53 < Ecco> I'm comparing second-hand Cisco vs first-hand UniFi
2018-05-22T23:39:10 < Ecco> Of course first-hand Cisco gear is such a *terrible*, insane rip-off
2018-05-22T23:39:19 < Ecco> IIRC a single WiFi AP is like $2k
2018-05-22T23:40:05 < Ecco> But as a SOHO user, previous-gen WiFi AP (which are barely less capable than current-gen) sell for like $50 and are, in my humble experience, the best bangs-for-bucks you can find
2018-05-22T23:40:27 < Ecco> I'm currently running… hmm, lemme count… around 30 of them in different places
2018-05-22T23:40:35 < karlp> so, what do you define as "previous gen wifi" ?
2018-05-22T23:40:38 < Cracki> you mean 11n vs 11ac?
2018-05-22T23:40:42 < Ecco> Last time I had to touch any single of them was more than… 4 years ago
2018-05-22T23:40:53 < karlp> yeah ok, so  yo uhave second hand from four years ago wifi
2018-05-22T23:40:54 < Ecco> Cracki: no no, I mean model from 2017 instead of 2018
2018-05-22T23:40:56 < karlp> and you think it's ok.
2018-05-22T23:40:58 < Cracki> hm
2018-05-22T23:41:07 < Ecco> karlp: not what I said
2018-05-22T23:41:13 < karlp> ok, show us this 2017 model wifi ap from cisco for $50 
2018-05-22T23:41:26 < Ecco> I bought them in 2014 and they were 2013-or-something
2018-05-22T23:41:39 < karlp> right, so, yes, you bought 5 year old wifi equipment and think it's still ok.
2018-05-22T23:41:41 < Ecco> I set them up once, and they're still running :)
2018-05-22T23:41:45 < Ecco> 4 years ago
2018-05-22T23:41:49 < Ecco> so it was 1 year old :)
2018-05-22T23:41:50 < aandrew> yep I bought two 24-port 2970gs and a 48-port 3560poe for like $200 total
2018-05-22T23:41:50 < karlp> sure, if you like 802.11g speeds.
2018-05-22T23:42:04 < Ecco> They're at least n
2018-05-22T23:42:09 < Ecco> latest I bought definitely were ac
2018-05-22T23:42:10 < karlp> there are many levels of n.
2018-05-22T23:42:16 < aandrew> not bad for three very good managed switches. some gigabit SFPs were $20 total
2018-05-22T23:42:36 < karlp> aandrew: you could never get that outside NA thouhg :|
2018-05-22T23:42:46 < aandrew> karlp: quite possibly no, these were just ebayed
2018-05-22T23:43:07 < karlp> we have an old hp switch at work, requires _actual_ java plugin, in ie to use the web ui :)
2018-05-22T23:43:22 < karlp> thankfull, we don't actually need any of it's theoretical features :)
2018-05-22T23:45:21 < aandrew> my desk phones and the cameras are all poe, which is what the 100mbit switch is for, and the one 2970g is for the main connectivty
2018-05-22T23:45:42 < aandrew> gonna run fiber to the garage where the other 2970g will live, so when I accidentally put 480V on the network it wont' fry the entire house :-)
2018-05-22T23:46:33 < invzim> ubiquiti will kill most enterprise networking
2018-05-22T23:46:35 < mra90> Regarding to baud rate, do we have to calculate it?
2018-05-22T23:48:09 < englishman> <3 rt-ac68u <3
2018-05-22T23:48:22 < karlp> englishman: yea, I looked at one of them, thought it was a bit much still.
2018-05-22T23:48:39 < karlp> have one of these on the way: https://wikidevi.com/wiki/ZBT_WE1326
2018-05-22T23:48:54 < englishman> they are $150 on sale or so
2018-05-22T23:49:01 < englishman> full price they are a bit spendy yeah
2018-05-22T23:49:05 < karlp> this was $65 or so delivered
2018-05-22T23:50:07 < englishman> nice
2018-05-22T23:50:45 < invzim> last routers I bought were mx204 :)
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2018-05-23T00:06:19 < zyp> ubnt stuff is nice, but I wish they had a bit more variety in unifi switches
2018-05-23T00:06:51 < zyp> mikrotik is starting to get quite a few nice switches now, but the admin interface is less convenient
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2018-05-23T00:16:39 < Steffanx> The stvn
2018-05-23T00:18:20 < stvn> th stffn
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2018-05-23T00:21:12 < Steffanx>  \o/
2018-05-23T00:21:25 < stvn> o/
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2018-05-23T00:23:25 < fest> zyp: what do you mean by more variety in unifi series?
2018-05-23T00:24:21 < R0b0t1`> I have a mikrotik device
2018-05-23T00:24:24 < R0b0t1`> It is hard to admin
2018-05-23T00:24:50 < zyp> fest, https://mikrotik.com/products/group/switches
2018-05-23T00:25:51 < zyp> fest, look at the CSS326 for instance, it's an inexpensive switch with a couple of SFP+ ports
2018-05-23T00:26:25 < zyp> if you want 10G on an unifi switch, you've got two options; either the 48 port switch or the XG 16
2018-05-23T00:27:03 < zyp> neither of which are particularly inexpensive
2018-05-23T00:28:21 < zyp> I have an older model that seems to be obsolete now, got eight 1G ports and two 10G ports
2018-05-23T00:29:45 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/1B1mQ.jpg <- this is more or less the entirety of my home network right now
2018-05-23T00:34:10 < Steffanx> Thats far from trådfri
2018-05-23T00:34:18 < zyp> :)
2018-05-23T00:34:27 < fest> last I heard the unifi teams were more focused on the wireless products
2018-05-23T00:35:13 < fest> and high end stuff, as you already noted
2018-05-23T00:35:27 < zyp> I don't have any complaints about the wireless stuff, but I'd love to get all the switches into the same system
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2018-05-23T01:02:38 < m4t> jpa-: got those stlink v2's in the mail today. they're STM32F103C8's. have the mfgr date of 2018-02-18 like you'd described.
2018-05-23T01:11:01 < zyp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBRWJzAjkjk
2018-05-23T01:13:21 < Laurenceb_> woah
2018-05-23T01:13:27 < Laurenceb_> is dat an automated shitposter?
2018-05-23T01:13:31 < Laurenceb_> damn I'm out of a jerb
2018-05-23T01:13:44 < Laurenceb_> >tfw AI came for my jerb
2018-05-23T01:14:53 < zyp> it's certainly doing a better job at being funny
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2018-05-23T01:17:04 < jadew> zyp, you're finnish?
2018-05-23T01:17:31 < stvn> .no mate
2018-05-23T01:17:36 < stvn> Where’s that?
2018-05-23T01:17:39 < stvn> :3
2018-05-23T01:17:51 < jadew> :)
2018-05-23T01:18:16 < jadew> aandrew recommended me a finnish band yesterday and it sounds great
2018-05-23T01:18:22 < jadew> wonder what else is there
2018-05-23T01:18:41 < stvn> I’m sure there is great music all over the world
2018-05-23T01:18:49 < stvn> Except for Australia
2018-05-23T01:19:04 < stvn> Didgeridoos and shit :/
2018-05-23T01:19:05 < jadew> heh, I was thinking about that too (that there must be some really great music around the world)
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2018-05-23T01:28:25 < englishman> "the safest way to protect your bitcoin wallet is simply to lose it"
2018-05-23T01:28:26 < englishman> wow
2018-05-23T01:34:04 < BrainDamage> oh, is it cryptocurrency shitposting time? https://crypko.ai/#/
2018-05-23T01:35:10 < upgrdman> is buttcoin still trending downward?
2018-05-23T01:35:53 < BrainDamage> https://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg360ztgSzm1g10zm2g25
2018-05-23T01:35:57 < BrainDamage> so and so
2018-05-23T01:36:19 < Laurenceb_> I'm more worried about the javascript
2018-05-23T01:36:27 < Laurenceb_> muh cpu
2018-05-23T01:45:36 < jadew> old song, but the videoclip is genius: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiKj0Z_Xnjc
2018-05-23T01:46:05 < jadew> (not sure how popular the song is, even tho it has lots of views - it wasn't popular in here)
2018-05-23T01:47:08 < BrainDamage> i tought you listen to dragostea din tei 24/7
2018-05-23T01:47:30 < jadew> BrainDamage, I have one cheat day per week
2018-05-23T01:49:53 < Laurenceb_> birth of an incel https://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113866.gif
2018-05-23T01:50:21 < stvn> gooday sport
2018-05-23T01:50:48 < stvn> NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID
2018-05-23T01:50:54 < stvn> the dogs!
2018-05-23T01:51:26 < jadew> the same guy that made that videoclip (and song) is repsonible for the videoclip of that IDGAF song by Dua Lipa. Even if you're not into pop, I recommend watching that music video and I mean really watch it
2018-05-23T01:51:42 < jadew> I found it mesmerizing the first time I saw it
2018-05-23T01:51:43 < Laurenceb_> stvn: ikr, they hacked my bank account
2018-05-23T01:51:56 < stvn> tendies funds stolen
2018-05-23T01:52:00 < stvn> rage intensifies 
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2018-05-23T01:53:23 < Laurenceb_> dey stole muh pwelch.m source codez
2018-05-23T01:53:51 < jadew> is math protected by anything?
2018-05-23T01:53:51 < Laurenceb_> cross spectral density intensifies
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2018-05-23T01:56:22 < BrainDamage> you can patent algos just fine
2018-05-23T01:56:27 < stvn> wrong spectrum mate
2018-05-23T01:56:31 < BrainDamage> algos as a procedure
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2018-05-23T02:07:42 < Thorn> Steffanx failed to wake me up again :(
2018-05-23T02:23:16 < bitmask> hrmm https://i.imgur.com/bGSypP0.png
2018-05-23T02:31:02 < Laurenceb_> >autistic cross spectrum density
2018-05-23T02:31:08 < Laurenceb_> at last I finally see
2018-05-23T02:34:59 < Laurenceb_> pwelch.m will diagnose autism
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2018-05-23T02:40:32 < stvn> yeah
2018-05-23T02:40:46 < stvn> i'm dealing with the nbn nigger organization today
2018-05-23T02:41:40 < stvn> in the preparation to install bnb techlology™ they've cucked the landline 
2018-05-23T02:49:47 < sync> but ur fibers
2018-05-23T02:55:44 < stvn> october yes.
2018-05-23T02:56:05 < stvn> landlines still work in this street afaik, they've niggered it
2018-05-23T02:56:21 < stvn> NBN CO get the cheapest bidders to do their work
2018-05-23T02:56:52 < stvn> i've spoke to NBN CO contractors in the past, these people don't exactly sound skillful 
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2018-05-23T02:57:45 < stvn> well that's 1 hour of my day wasted telling them about the issue and cancelling services
2018-05-23T02:58:23  * stvn looks over to a 4g modem (probably faster than the NBN that'll be bodged into this area anyway)
2018-05-23T02:59:39 < stvn> Fiber to the premises, fiber to the node, fiber to the curb.... what's next..... fiber to your FUCKING ARSE!
2018-05-23T02:59:43 < Laurenceb_> my internets break each time rats eat the cabinet innards
2018-05-23T02:59:55 < stvn> oh you're on the cupper too?
2018-05-23T03:00:08 < Laurenceb_> yeah, uk so ancient shit
2018-05-23T03:00:20 < stvn> idk how the intertubes are 'fucked up' in your country
2018-05-23T03:00:24 < stvn> please do tell
2018-05-23T03:01:41 < Laurenceb_> it was all nationalised until ebil Thatcher came along in 80s
2018-05-23T03:02:00 < Laurenceb_> then privatised so BT own everything and outside city centers nobody builds anything new
2018-05-23T03:03:11 < Laurenceb_> so its 1960s copper for 80% +
2018-05-23T03:03:23 < stvn> yeah i'm sure that is mostly the same case in australia, in fact... probably exactly.
2018-05-23T03:04:23 < stvn> I'm glad the fiber will run to the curb instead of the 4km stretch of 50 year old copper... that'd have been wonderful!
2018-05-23T03:04:59 < Laurenceb_> my dad was part of anti Thatcher riots in 80s
2018-05-23T03:05:01 < Laurenceb_> funtimes
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2018-05-23T03:05:21 < stvn> No word of a lie I knew people who would water vacuum out cable pits so their internet would work
2018-05-23T03:06:17 < Laurenceb_> inb4 "is Morrissey ur dad?"
2018-05-23T03:06:35 < stvn> in 2002 cable was 100mbit down 2mbit up
2018-05-23T03:08:30 < stvn> bet it'll cost the same for 25mbit down 5mbit up on NBN
2018-05-23T03:09:17 < stvn> I'll just have to wait for the call https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCkv6280fGE
2018-05-23T03:10:46 < Laurenceb_> >be me
2018-05-23T03:10:46 < Laurenceb_> >be at wurk
2018-05-23T03:10:50 < Laurenceb_> >everyone is talking about bikes
2018-05-23T03:11:17 < Laurenceb_> >wtf I cant even
2018-05-23T03:11:52 < Laurenceb_> >google the bike shit > https://www.brompton.com/brompton-gbr/uk-store/bikes/c-24/c-77
2018-05-23T03:12:08 < Laurenceb_> > £2k for a fucking bike
2018-05-23T03:13:30 < Laurenceb_> I cant even
2018-05-23T03:13:39 < Laurenceb_> https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/202305005812?chn=ps&adgroupid=59205563932&rlsatarget=pla-431351414568&abcId=1134046&adtype=pla&merchantid=114942169&poi=&googleloc=9046622&device=c&campaignid=1340018072&crdt=0
2018-05-23T03:13:42 < Laurenceb_> why.jpg
2018-05-23T03:13:53 < stvn> i are work home today
2018-05-23T03:15:12 < stvn> Laurenceb_: maybe its the juicero bike
2018-05-23T03:15:32 < Laurenceb_> yeah literally juicero: the bike
2018-05-23T03:15:47 < Laurenceb_> I need to quite my jerb and start trading
2018-05-23T03:15:53 < stvn> hope you have wifi so the wheel locks can unlatch when you 'login'
2018-05-23T03:15:55 < Laurenceb_> make £3k just this afternoon
2018-05-23T03:16:43 < Laurenceb_> even more than I could make selling my colon to arabs and creaming cougars
2018-05-23T03:17:28 < stvn> yeah
2018-05-23T03:20:29 < Laurenceb_> Iranian guy at work runs a "Full Persian service for the older lady" site
2018-05-23T03:20:48 < Laurenceb_> made me lol.. until he asked me to review the nude gallery
2018-05-23T03:20:50 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2018-05-23T03:24:58 < stvn> ok
2018-05-23T03:25:18 < stvn> idkwtf full persion service is
2018-05-23T03:25:33 < stvn> googling it and 4 police cars park out the front
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2018-05-23T03:31:15 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2018-05-23T03:31:32 < Laurenceb_> Persian not person
2018-05-23T03:31:51 < Laurenceb_> protip: never call and Iranian "Iranian", they are Persians
2018-05-23T03:43:42 < Laurenceb_> https://wienerlibrary.co.uk/Work-with-Us
2018-05-23T03:46:44 < Laurenceb_> https://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113872.jpg
2018-05-23T03:54:16 < Laurenceb_> I now have my own 8can board
2018-05-23T03:54:21 < Laurenceb_> moving up in the worlds
2018-05-23T03:55:51 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7G4e0CRRdw
2018-05-23T03:57:01 < Laurenceb_> lul @ the auto subtitles
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2018-05-23T05:50:56 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/MO0ZHqz.gifv
2018-05-23T05:52:24 < PeterM> neat
2018-05-23T05:59:14 < upgrdman> loljaps  https://www.reddit.com/r/instant_regret/comments/8kyxnn/putting_your_feet_in_a_tank_filled_with_fish/
2018-05-23T06:01:49 < aandrew> lol strandbeest board
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2018-05-23T07:50:17 < stvn> it's time to go gorilla knocking
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2018-05-23T10:19:47 < Steffanx> I fail to google. Whats software flash tool does segger provide that is not a debugger?
2018-05-23T10:20:27 < fc5dc9d4> I have an STM32F769-DISC1 eval board running FreeRTOS and lwIP set up with a static ip. It seems to work only randomly: When I start up the board, about one time in ten I can ping it after a few moments. How should I debug this?
2018-05-23T10:21:09 < Haohmaru> what speed is the ethernet running at?
2018-05-23T10:21:14 < Haohmaru> don't tell me it's wifi
2018-05-23T10:23:46 < zyp> Steffanx, jflash?
2018-05-23T10:23:48 < Steffanx> Oh jflash it is
2018-05-23T10:23:57 < Steffanx> I just installed it
2018-05-23T10:24:07 < Steffanx> Thought it was foe their flasher tool
2018-05-23T10:24:11 < Steffanx> Hw
2018-05-23T10:24:57 < fc5dc9d4> Haohmaru: If I understand the CubeMX dialog correctly, it is auto-neg - and the switch sais it is 100M, so probably full duplex.
2018-05-23T10:25:57 < Steffanx> Oh, and it aint free -_-
2018-05-23T10:28:30 < Steffanx> But lite will do for now
2018-05-23T10:31:04 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I wonder what is it you're implementing that openocd is not suitable?
2018-05-23T10:32:18 < Haohmaru> fc5dc9d4 can you try a slower speed? 10M?
2018-05-23T10:32:25 < Haohmaru> if it's easy
2018-05-23T10:33:58 < zyp> fc5dc9d4, if the switch and the device has a mismatch between full/half duplex, you might get stupid behavior like that
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2018-05-23T10:42:52 < Steffanx> PaulFertser, yes. Not sure. Perhaps its that im not the final user.
2018-05-23T10:46:56 < fc5dc9d4> Haohmaru: zyp: OK I turned auto-neg off. 10/full works. Is that OK with duplex mismatch? 100/half fails for me, and 100/full without autoneg is definitely a duplex mismatch.
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2018-05-23T10:48:02 < zyp> which switch are you using?
2018-05-23T10:48:51 < Haohmaru> no idea, but when i was playing with my ethernet module thing (w5500-based) i noticed packets breaking at 100M, ping packets with bigger size (requires some additional arguments to ping) help to expose the problem faster
2018-05-23T10:49:27 < fc5dc9d4> zyp: cheap 8 port gbit, which served me well for various purposes over the last years.
2018-05-23T10:49:56 < zyp> okay
2018-05-23T10:50:32 < zyp> if it's gbit, autoneg is mandatory, so the switch supports that fine
2018-05-23T10:50:55 < zyp> so if you also have autoneg enabled on your side, it shouldn't get any mismatch
2018-05-23T10:51:20 < fc5dc9d4> zyp: so I can not use 100/full - but will 10/full be also a duplex mismatch?
2018-05-23T10:52:09 < fc5dc9d4> zyp: seems like autoneg is the problem, so I will turn it of
2018-05-23T10:52:41 < zyp> have you tried reading out the autoneg status when your device is running?
2018-05-23T10:52:58 < zyp> turning off autoneg is rarely the solution
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2018-05-23T11:19:34 < fc5dc9d4> zyp: With autoneg on the phy's autoneg completed status bit is set when connecting to the switch, but not set when connecting to a non-autoneg 100/half device. Communication with the 100/half non/autoneg device does not work. I can make it work by turning autoneg off and going to 100/half. To me it looks like the problem is the autoneg really.
2018-05-23T11:20:44 < zyp> I'm not sure I see how that follows
2018-05-23T11:21:04 < zyp> naturally autoneg needs to be supported on both sides to work
2018-05-23T11:21:51 < zyp> if you connect to a non-autoneg device, the phy can detect speed by looking at the carrier, but it can't distinguish full/half duplex
2018-05-23T11:22:16 < zyp> so naturally if you connect to a 100HDX-device, it won't work unless you also configure your side to 100HDX
2018-05-23T11:23:20 < zyp> doing this is fine if you control both sides of the link, but usually you want to connect to other devices, for which autoneg is useful
2018-05-23T11:41:42 < fc5dc9d4> zyp: I mean the problem is inside my autoneg setup/implementation. The autoneg idea is great of course.
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2018-05-23T12:24:29 < kakimir> is there any need for thermal reliefs for anything but hand soldering?
2018-05-23T12:24:47 < kakimir> does it help reflow process or anything?
2018-05-23T12:24:55 < kakimir> if you bake the boards
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2018-05-23T12:25:39 < Haohmaru> thermal relief on smd or THT pads, is the question
2018-05-23T12:25:56 < Haohmaru> you won't bake THT components, would you?
2018-05-23T12:26:08 < zyp> tht?
2018-05-23T12:26:34 < Haohmaru> his question probably comes from kicad's fill zone options
2018-05-23T12:26:44 < Haohmaru> </assume>
2018-05-23T12:26:50 < zyp> what's tht?
2018-05-23T12:27:12 < Haohmaru> thru hole <technology?>
2018-05-23T12:27:20 < PeterM> kakimir they are specifically for reflow
2018-05-23T12:27:23 < zyp> oh
2018-05-23T12:27:37 < zyp> I usually call it pth
2018-05-23T12:27:56 < Haohmaru> i thought PTH means plated-thru-hole
2018-05-23T12:28:22 < Haohmaru> and thus NPTH is non-plated-thru-hole (a bare drill hole in yer PCB)
2018-05-23T12:28:22 < PeterM> hand assy doesnt care about thermal reliefs
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2018-05-23T12:28:47 < Haohmaru> PeterM it's harder to solder with the iron if there's no thermal relief
2018-05-23T12:29:15 < Haohmaru> even harder to desolder ;P~
2018-05-23T12:29:19 < PeterM> get a better iron
2018-05-23T12:29:25 < Haohmaru> a torch?
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2018-05-23T12:29:39 < Haohmaru> oh, i know something better, imma throw it into MORDOR
2018-05-23T12:30:15 < PeterM> you can just heat longer when hand soldeirng
2018-05-23T12:30:29 < PeterM> if oyu're reflowing, you need everything to reflow at approximately the smae speed
2018-05-23T12:30:44 < PeterM> otherwise you get tombstoning or you cook the absolute fuck out of parts
2018-05-23T12:31:04 < Haohmaru> PeterM there's no point in having uber much copper connection on a 10k pull down resistor to ground, so thermal relief is fine there
2018-05-23T12:31:20 < kakimir> tht components?
2018-05-23T12:31:31 < kakimir> I use zero of tht components
2018-05-23T12:31:39 < PeterM> sure, but it doesnt hurt at all either, unless you  have a shit soldering iron
2018-05-23T12:31:56 < zyp> PeterM, haha, fuck off
2018-05-23T12:32:13 < PeterM> and also, in that same package as the 10k pulldown you have your 0.001 ohm shunt resistor too
2018-05-23T12:32:13 < Haohmaru> okay mr pro1337
2018-05-23T12:33:04 < Haohmaru> in kicad you can override the fill-zone connection per pad
2018-05-23T12:33:16 < kakimir> at least current carrying paths except for connector all are with solid fills
2018-05-23T12:33:18 < kakimir> in my design
2018-05-23T12:33:30 < Haohmaru> yeah
2018-05-23T12:33:33 < PeterM> sure, and  thats what you should do if you're reflowign
2018-05-23T12:33:47 < kakimir> so what is better for reflow
2018-05-23T12:33:53 < PeterM> but if you're handsoldering it makes very little difference
2018-05-23T12:33:54 < kakimir> thermal relief or solid
2018-05-23T12:34:00 < PeterM> thermal relief
2018-05-23T12:34:06 < kakimir> can you explain
2018-05-23T12:34:13 < kakimir> it cools slower?
2018-05-23T12:34:24 < Haohmaru> if you have a pile of "weak" components on a zone and just a few which have to carry current, then you can make the zone with relief, and override the pads of the "strong" components to "solid" connection
2018-05-23T12:34:46 < kakimir> that is exactly what I have done
2018-05-23T12:35:00 < PeterM> the amount of thermal mass that has to be heated to reach the melting point of solder is lower 
2018-05-23T12:35:05 < kakimir> not just sure why else use thermal relief but that I need to solder a prototype myself
2018-05-23T12:35:44 < kakimir> but I mean the oven doesn't direct the heat to any specific area
2018-05-23T12:35:53 < zyp> just use thermal relief on everything, problem solved
2018-05-23T12:36:05 < kakimir> yeah - no
2018-05-23T12:36:12 < Haohmaru> that's iirc the default option in kicad
2018-05-23T12:36:12 < zyp> I'm serious.
2018-05-23T12:36:23 < kakimir> not going to ruin my milliohms paths
2018-05-23T12:36:38 < zyp> have you calculated the resistance across the relief?
2018-05-23T12:36:46 < kakimir> nopes
2018-05-23T12:36:53 < PeterM> kakimir the oven should evenly provide heat energy to the entire area, ideally. if you have more mass, you need mroe energy to bring that mass to the same temperature
2018-05-23T12:37:04 < zyp> kakimir, then do that before you decide it's a problem
2018-05-23T12:37:21 < kakimir> so the copper heats up slower than components?
2018-05-23T12:37:28 < PeterM> yerp
2018-05-23T12:37:43 < PeterM> atleast, often it does
2018-05-23T12:37:56 < Haohmaru> let's soak it in water and then microwave it ;P~
2018-05-23T12:38:10 < kakimir> but if I have thermal reliefed parts those will rule how long it needs to be in oven
2018-05-23T12:38:24 < kakimir> Haohmaru, bad idea
2018-05-23T12:38:42 < Haohmaru> a thermal camera could answer so many questions..
2018-05-23T12:38:42 < PeterM> the thermal reliefed parts will take less tiem to solder
2018-05-23T12:38:49 < Haohmaru> Dear Santa..
2018-05-23T12:38:51 < kakimir> microwaves will fuck with electronics
2018-05-23T12:39:08 < kakimir> I have flir
2018-05-23T12:39:17 < invzim> I use thermal-relief on everything as default and make rules for special parts like LDO's
2018-05-23T12:39:17 < PeterM> they have a lower thermal mass but a larger area so will absorb the same energy per area by increase in temperature more per energy
2018-05-23T12:39:18 < kakimir> it's just too shitti
2018-05-23T12:40:05 < PeterM> i usually thermal relief everything, and with stuff like LDOs i via stitch to the plane on hte other side for cooling
2018-05-23T12:40:06 < kakimir> PeterM, everything in high current path can and will produce heat
2018-05-23T12:40:18 < kakimir> shunt will produce the most
2018-05-23T12:40:27 < kakimir> liek 1W
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2018-05-23T12:40:54 < PeterM> sure, but they often arent connected to a plane, only a large trace, so they arent effected by reliefs
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2018-05-23T12:41:07 < kakimir> do I need to concider TG of the pcb material for reflow process?
2018-05-23T12:41:23 < kakimir> mine is connected to 2 planes
2018-05-23T12:41:52 < kakimir> and both have vias like the board had been shot with shotgun
2018-05-23T12:42:02 < PeterM> i dunno, talk to your assembler, they usually take care of the actual cooking of parts
2018-05-23T12:42:12 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-23T12:42:18 < kakimir> I wanna learn
2018-05-23T12:42:26 < kakimir> my assembler is china
2018-05-23T12:42:38 < kakimir> they just do the magic but can't talk in english
2018-05-23T12:43:05 < zyp> huge pads connected to relatively small pours don't need relief, you want relief when you have small pads connected to huge pours
2018-05-23T12:43:08 < PeterM> talk to dongs, he does assembly
2018-05-23T12:43:39 < PeterM> i mean, he might tell you to fuck off, but hey, whats the worst
2018-05-23T12:43:48 < kakimir> he will enrage
2018-05-23T13:17:10 < mra90> is it possible that usart pin is in two different ports? i.e USART1_RX will be either PAx or PBx?
2018-05-23T13:17:34 < zyp> yes?
2018-05-23T13:17:45 < mra90> hmm strange to me
2018-05-23T13:17:53 < zyp> how so?
2018-05-23T13:18:09 < mra90> what is the point to make the same thing on two different ports?
2018-05-23T13:18:21 < BrainDamage> so you can chose which one to assign to
2018-05-23T13:18:44 < karlp> think of it another way, what is a port?
2018-05-23T13:18:44 < BrainDamage> it simplifies layouting, and helps a lot in the case of pin assignment conflict
2018-05-23T13:18:56 < karlp> imagine instead that it's just pin 1...100
2018-05-23T13:19:02 < mra90> hmm okay I am not going to complain :P
2018-05-23T13:19:06 < karlp> instead of a1.16, b1.16, c1.16
2018-05-23T13:19:17 < mra90> just came from AVR world where there was no such thing
2018-05-23T13:19:40 < karlp> there is now :)
2018-05-23T13:19:42 < BrainDamage> avr have much more limited periferial count
2018-05-23T13:19:56 < karlp> new avrs got the peripheral interconnect stuff from microchip :)
2018-05-23T13:20:00  * Haohmaru hides his xmega with 7 USARTs
2018-05-23T13:20:11 < zyp> AVR doesn't have a lot of peripherals, so there's mostly enough pins to hook them all up at the same time
2018-05-23T13:20:15 < Haohmaru> karlp bullsh*t
2018-05-23T13:20:36 < karlp> Haohmaru: they're advertising it, would they dothat? just go on the internet and lie? :)
2018-05-23T13:20:56 < Haohmaru> karlp what has avr "gained" from microsh*t eggzactly?
2018-05-23T13:21:08 < BrainDamage> a lot of money for the ceo
2018-05-23T13:21:20 < BrainDamage> and the shareholders
2018-05-23T13:21:23  * Haohmaru looks at an avr chip
2018-05-23T13:21:24 < karlp> Haohmaru: you're obviously not paying much attention to the new avr product numbers.
2018-05-23T13:21:28 < Haohmaru> i don't see "a lot of money"
2018-05-23T13:21:36 < Haohmaru> karlp which ones?
2018-05-23T13:21:37 < karlp> they're surely not updating old ones, that would make no sense
2018-05-23T13:21:51 < Haohmaru> one eggzample pls
2018-05-23T13:22:04 < karlp> fuckoff go to microchip dot com and look ath their fucking news.
2018-05-23T13:22:14 < Haohmaru> i saw their new sh*t
2018-05-23T13:22:16 < karlp> you just sitting thinking your m328p is going to magically be udpated?
2018-05-23T13:22:27 < Haohmaru> i did not see anything spectacular that comes from microchip
2018-05-23T13:22:39 < Haohmaru> i don't have a m328p
2018-05-23T13:22:50 < zyp> haha
2018-05-23T13:23:54 < Haohmaru> they surely managed to make the impression that they've "put their awesome peripherals" into the avr chips
2018-05-23T13:24:06 < Haohmaru> so far i've not seen their awesome peripherals in any avr chip
2018-05-23T13:24:27 < Haohmaru> first they said "ooh, look at the new attinys!! wowz"
2018-05-23T13:24:46 < Haohmaru> then "omg look at the new mega 0 series, uber wowz!"
2018-05-23T13:25:16 < Haohmaru> all i see is atmegas with some cut-down features from the xmega periphs
2018-05-23T13:25:39 < Haohmaru> and those are NOT "thanks to microchip" .. xmega are around since a long time
2018-05-23T13:26:07 < zyp> xmega fanboy
2018-05-23T13:26:16 < Haohmaru> of course
2018-05-23T13:26:24 < Haohmaru> u misspelled fanboi
2018-05-23T13:26:43 < zyp> I spell it however I want thank you very much
2018-05-23T13:27:23  * Haohmaru hacks zyp's spellcheck
2018-05-23T13:27:44 < stvn> hmmmmmmm
2018-05-23T13:27:49 < Haohmaru> uh oh
2018-05-23T13:28:03  * Haohmaru takes his xmegas and hides
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2018-05-23T13:38:22 < stvn> can you plug it in 
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2018-05-23T13:50:08 < kakimir> shiets
2018-05-23T13:50:45 < kakimir> pcbway order is more expensive now with 4-5 days than it was before CNY express48
2018-05-23T13:50:49 < kakimir> like double
2018-05-23T13:51:14 < zyp> blame the thermal reliefs
2018-05-23T13:51:16 < kakimir> I can change like all the parameters and price stays the same
2018-05-23T13:51:29 < BrainDamage> try removing the smas
2018-05-23T13:51:29 < kakimir> I set 4/4mil and 0.2mm holes
2018-05-23T13:51:40 < kakimir> I set TG to 150-160
2018-05-23T13:51:45 < kakimir> no change
2018-05-23T13:51:51 < jadew> kakimir, so make it gold plated
2018-05-23T13:52:13 < BrainDamage> or, make it gold pleated, a skirt
2018-05-23T13:52:26 < stvn> good idea
2018-05-23T13:52:37 < kakimir> lets try
2018-05-23T13:53:02 < kakimir> immersion gold is like.. 20bucks more
2018-05-23T13:53:15 < jadew> so the price does change :P
2018-05-23T13:53:29 < kakimir> like under 10% added to total price
2018-05-23T13:53:35 < jadew> I'm sure you can trick that thing if you really wanted
2018-05-23T13:53:47 < kakimir> well I didn't tell I can change plating
2018-05-23T13:53:53 < kakimir> without price change
2018-05-23T13:54:01 < kakimir> I like HASL with lead
2018-05-23T13:54:01 < jadew> you said all parameters
2018-05-23T13:54:07 < kakimir> everything needs to have lead in it
2018-05-23T13:54:10 < kakimir> lead is good
2018-05-23T13:54:25 < jadew> heard it makes you more creative
2018-05-23T13:57:24 < kakimir> stencil is like 10bucks more
2018-05-23T13:57:27 < kakimir> nic
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2018-05-23T13:57:37 < kakimir> well the board is little
2018-05-23T13:57:47 < kakimir> 17mm x 65mm 4layer board
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2018-05-23T14:00:24 < Haohmaru> 4 layer eh
2018-05-23T14:00:33 < mra90> Hmm about the alternate function for GPIO pin manual says " AF8 (SPI2/3 USART1...3)..." but how to select particluar one for example USART1?
2018-05-23T14:01:04 < stvn> i learned about it in the reference manual
2018-05-23T14:01:30 < karlp> the table of alternate functions is in the datasheet
2018-05-23T14:01:37 < karlp> after the pinouts
2018-05-23T14:02:59 < mra90> karp: yes but even there is manyy oprtions -> (TIM1_CH2, I2C3_SMBA,
2018-05-23T14:02:59 < mra90> SPI2_SCK/I2S2_CK,
2018-05-23T14:02:59 < mra90> SAI1_SD_B, USART1_TX,
2018-05-23T14:02:59 < mra90> DCMI_D0, EVENTOUT)
2018-05-23T14:03:07 < mra90> just for one PIN
2018-05-23T14:03:17 < mra90> how to pick one of them oO
2018-05-23T14:03:29 < zyp> you select a particular AF, say AF8
2018-05-23T14:04:23 < mra90> Yes and then how to say it shall be USARt1_TX
2018-05-23T14:04:25 < zyp> e.g. with my lib GPIOB[2].set_af(8); selects AF8 on PB2
2018-05-23T14:05:00 < stvn> and here i was thinking i'd hate stcube
2018-05-23T14:05:39 < mra90> zyp but as I said : AF8 is very broad thing
2018-05-23T14:05:46 < mra90>  AF8 (SPI2/3 USART1...3)...
2018-05-23T14:06:00 < zyp> look at the fucking table karlp directed you to
2018-05-23T14:06:36 < mra90> in datasheet?
2018-05-23T14:06:44 < zyp> that's what karlp said
2018-05-23T14:06:45 < karlp> did I frucking stutter?
2018-05-23T14:07:30 < mra90> and also thre is no difference between Af7/8? oO
2018-05-23T14:07:39 < karlp> you clearly still haven't fucking looked at the table yet.
2018-05-23T14:07:52 < mra90> I did lool
2018-05-23T14:08:05 < zyp> no you didn't
2018-05-23T14:08:18 < karlp> http://gph.is/1sJ9pIe
2018-05-23T14:08:26 < stvn> it'd be a mildly amusing way to wind-up this channel
2018-05-23T14:09:05 < mra90> zyp: I am teling you there is a list of alternate function!
2018-05-23T14:09:17 < zyp> you're looking at the wrong table
2018-05-23T14:09:18 < mra90> TIM1_CH2, I2C3_SMBA....
2018-05-23T14:09:28 < zyp> scroll down past that
2018-05-23T14:09:54 < mra90> you mean table 11?
2018-05-23T14:10:11 < zyp> how would I know? I don't know what datasheet you're looking at
2018-05-23T14:10:26 < zyp> if you don't get it, just keep scrolling down
2018-05-23T14:10:27 < mra90> Ahhh now I see
2018-05-23T14:10:30 < mra90> thank you guys
2018-05-23T14:11:49 < PeterM> fuckin hell mra90 couldnt organise a root in a brithel!
2018-05-23T14:12:14 < karlp> "after the pinouts" was trying to helpfully say, "not _in_ the pinouts table"
2018-05-23T14:12:33 < karlp> clearly mra90 is ready to run linux on an f4 disco....
2018-05-23T14:12:52 < zyp> :)
2018-05-23T14:13:14 < mra90> karlp: don't be a hater please
2018-05-23T14:13:57 < karlp> mra90: try reading the answers and guidance you're given please :)
2018-05-23T14:15:03 < mra90> Appreciate your help, thanks
2018-05-23T14:15:21 < karlp> any time :)
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2018-05-23T14:32:32 < karlp> huh, select * from blah where someid in (some subquery) order by x limit 100 is two orders of magnitude faster than "select * from blah werhere some id in (static list of 5 ids) order by wop limit 100"
2018-05-23T14:33:05 < jpa-> x is indexed but wop is not?
2018-05-23T14:33:25 < karlp> oh, no, the order by is the same in both cases, just misremembeed what I'd typed.
2018-05-23T14:33:41 < karlp> same outer query, inner set is either a static list or a subquery
2018-05-23T14:33:54 < jpa-> what does EXPLAIN SELECT ... tell you?
2018-05-23T14:34:02 < karlp> with the subquery it takes ~1-1.5secs. the static list is up to 2 minutes so far :)
2018-05-23T14:34:26 < jpa-> maybe the subquery has less matches than the static list? :P
2018-05-23T14:35:07 < karlp> hehe, well, I copied the subquery to make the static list, was justt rying to make it smaller text on screen for copyign into other queries.
2018-05-23T14:35:38 < jpa-> premature optimization, clearly! :P
2018-05-23T14:35:45 < karlp> yeah, explain says it's doing it totally differently.
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2018-05-23T14:37:33 < jpa-> funny
2018-05-23T14:37:51 < karlp> one of them somehow works out to do a semi join or something.
2018-05-23T14:37:55 < karlp> anyway...
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2018-05-23T14:48:04 < zyp> which db software is this?
2018-05-23T14:48:23 < karlp> postgres
2018-05-23T14:48:47 < karlp> the table is virtual too, and backed by ~30 partitions, which is where the explain went differently at least.
2018-05-23T14:48:58  * karlp shrugs. doesn't matter too much.
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2018-05-23T15:04:34 < Thorn> with postgres 'explain analyze' should be more helpful than just explain
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2018-05-23T15:08:25 < karlp> well, I can see that it did something different, I'm not actually trying to optimize this query
2018-05-23T15:09:52 < karlp> explain analyze looks the same to me anyway
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2018-05-23T15:29:55 < Laurenceb_> https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/510D/production/_101694702_gettyimages-522244627.jpg
2018-05-23T15:30:07 < Laurenceb_> ^guess which ones are moving to muricaland
2018-05-23T15:30:58 < zyp> I don't get it
2018-05-23T15:33:11 < Laurenceb_> the middle two who are overweight
2018-05-23T15:34:02 < zyp> not in murica they aren't
2018-05-23T15:35:01 < Laurenceb_> kek
2018-05-23T15:35:41 < Laurenceb_> >immigration rejected, u need to head back to mcdonalds or you wont fit in as a member of society
2018-05-23T15:35:48 < PeterM> i did nt know where Laurenceb_ was going with this one; it could have been anywhere
2018-05-23T15:36:08 < zyp> PeterM, that's the problem with unfunny jokes
2018-05-23T15:36:12 < PeterM> like " the women because americucks wiht yellow fever bought them on taobao" or osmething
2018-05-23T15:36:25 < Laurenceb_> thats also true
2018-05-23T15:36:33 < PeterM> zyp precisely.
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2018-05-23T15:47:05 < PeterM> i wonder what eclipse is used more for, java or all other languages
2018-05-23T15:47:41 < PeterM> "eclipse" including all eclipse based IDEs too
2018-05-23T15:51:09 < Laurenceb_> til pcb layout is literal autism https://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113921.jpg
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2018-05-23T15:52:51 < BrainDamage> i clearly remember that crap being tossed around when i was in elementary school, that really exemplifies the level you dumb shit you post
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2018-05-23T15:56:16 < PeterM> im not sure what that test implies, like, if you can do it oyu dont have autism, or if you can do it you do have autism?
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2018-05-23T15:58:18 < BrainDamage> or you're autistic for even attempting
2018-05-23T15:58:48 < PeterM> or maybe youre autistic if you question the test
2018-05-23T16:02:52 < jpa-> nah, you're autistic if you throw a fit when you cannot do it.. but that is still better than writing a graph theory proof of it being impossible
2018-05-23T16:04:04 < BrainDamage> you can do it trivially if you don't mandate that the houses need to be wired in parallel
2018-05-23T16:04:46 < jpa-> you mean, if you allow the lines to cross inside the house?
2018-05-23T16:04:51 < BrainDamage> yes
2018-05-23T16:05:01 < jpa-> not sure what that makes you
2018-05-23T16:05:40 < jpa-> http://www.archimedes-lab.org/How_to_Solve/images/Water_gas_solution3.gif    you can also do this
2018-05-23T16:06:53 < karlp> heh
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2018-05-23T17:18:53 < englishman> hello thru-hole component users
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2018-05-23T17:25:00 < Laurenceb> dont insult me
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2018-05-23T17:25:18 < Laurenceb> through hole pin goes where
2018-05-23T17:25:20 < englishman> Laurenceb: https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/959322/crossbow-uk-for-sale-high-street-laws
2018-05-23T17:25:27 < englishman> better stock up before they are b&
2018-05-23T17:25:39 < englishman> The terrifying weapon, bought in Leeds, is capable of hitting a target with its aluminium-pointed bolts at 500 yards.
2018-05-23T17:25:40 < englishman> lol dirl
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2018-05-23T17:26:41 < englishman> @ hitting anything at all with that $100 plastic piece of shit
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2018-05-23T17:35:21 < Laurenceb> heh
2018-05-23T17:35:29 < Laurenceb> when I was like 8 I made a crossbow
2018-05-23T17:35:35 < Laurenceb> first woodwork project
2018-05-23T17:35:54 < Laurenceb> >DEADLY assault rifle-style crossbows
2018-05-23T17:36:02 < Laurenceb> sides status: orbital
2018-05-23T17:36:15 < Laurenceb> is dat a laser sight lol
2018-05-23T17:40:47 < englishman> red dot
2018-05-23T17:40:51 < englishman> but yeah for real that is some chinese trash
2018-05-23T17:40:57 < englishman> assault rifle style crossbow
2018-05-23T17:41:02 < englishman> your country is dead dude
2018-05-23T17:43:56 < zyp> crossbows are regulated the same way as guns here
2018-05-23T17:45:03 < karlp> harder here I think, not allowed to hunt with them anyway.
2018-05-23T17:47:00 < zyp> hunting isn't legal here either, but I think you can get a license for sports shooting
2018-05-23T17:49:11 < karlp> you can't shoot reindeer?
2018-05-23T17:49:17 < karlp> nor geese or anything?
2018-05-23T17:49:31 < karlp> or do you mean crossbows?
2018-05-23T17:49:35 < zyp> not with bows or crossbows
2018-05-23T17:49:37 < karlp> yeah, that woudl make more sense
2018-05-23T17:49:42 < karlp> nvm :)
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2018-05-23T17:51:49 < zyp> googling around, it seems like the law regulates crossbow ownership along the same lines as gun ownership, and for the latter you can get a license for either hunting or sports shooting
2018-05-23T17:52:37 < zyp> but apparently in practice it's unrealistic to get either for a crossbow since hunting with it is illegal and no crossbow clubs exists, so you can't document membership of a club
2018-05-23T17:54:11 < karlp> and no clubs exist because you can't hunt with one anyway, so why bother.
2018-05-23T17:54:35 < karlp> some of our shooting clubs include archery, but never heard of any crossbows
2018-05-23T17:54:47 < zyp> well, my impression is that pistol clubs got nothing to do with hunting
2018-05-23T17:55:00 < karlp> and the archery center doesn't have any either
2018-05-23T17:55:04 < Haohmaru> who stole all the 100nF 0805 caps from comet.bg?
2018-05-23T17:55:57 < aandrew> lol
2018-05-23T17:56:09 < aandrew> it's the aliens stealilng our advanced MLCC tech for shitty capacitors
2018-05-23T17:56:22 < aandrew> teleporting them right out of the warehouses
2018-05-23T17:57:10 < englishman> here crossbows and bows are unregulated but hunting with them requires written and practical tests, as wounding an animal with an arrow is much worse than killing it
2018-05-23T17:57:27 < englishman> the legend is some wounded deer found its way into a kindergarten with an arrow its in face and died in front of a bunch of kids
2018-05-23T17:57:31 < englishman> bambi nooo
2018-05-23T17:57:40 < karlp> fucking children.
2018-05-23T17:57:59 < aandrew> my old boss went deer hunting and came back with a small doe. told his two young daughters "I killed bambi" :-)
2018-05-23T17:58:12 < englishman> well bambi tastes good
2018-05-23T17:58:22 < aandrew> it actually was very very tasty venison
2018-05-23T17:58:44 < aandrew> he did something with oil and rosemary I think it was and it was not in the slightest bit gamey which is a common complaint for venison
2018-05-23T17:58:52 < englishman> lol speaking of hunting geese with arrows
2018-05-23T17:59:03 < englishman> i saw some city boy try to do that this spring
2018-05-23T17:59:33 < englishman> parks his car, puts on orange (no need for that when hunting geese) grabs his dollar store traditional bow and RUNS out in the field towards some geese
2018-05-23T17:59:41 < karlp> I managed to kill a pigeon with a frisbee'd notebook.  who's gonna regulate that?!
2018-05-23T17:59:43 < englishman> geese arent dumb and have good eyes so they leave
2018-05-23T17:59:43 < aandrew> englishman: hahahahahaha
2018-05-23T17:59:58 < aandrew> geese are first-class assholes
2018-05-23T18:00:03 < englishman> for real i was watching him through the scope and it was hilarious
2018-05-23T18:00:09 < zyp> I remember one of my classmates bought a bunch of shit when we went on a school trip to the US in high school
2018-05-23T18:00:18 < aandrew> they regularly saunter on to busy roads. they know full well nobody will hit them
2018-05-23T18:00:24 < zyp> brought back both a crossbow and some blow darts and shit
2018-05-23T18:00:45 < englishman> cool
2018-05-23T18:00:53 < zyp> a couple of weeks after we got back there were a picture in the local newspaper of a seagull somebody had spotted with a dart sticking out of its head
2018-05-23T18:04:47 < Laurenceb> https://www.rt.com/news/427499-skripal-held-uk-against-will/ PC porky
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2018-05-23T18:19:08 < day> englishman: i think bowhunting is illegal in most european states
2018-05-23T18:19:17 < englishman> sux
2018-05-23T18:19:43 < englishman> although suppressors are legal so that is cool
2018-05-23T18:19:44 < day> yeah.
2018-05-23T18:20:09 < day> well not everywhere. in austria they arent afaik
2018-05-23T18:21:27 < BrainDamage> puts on orange?
2018-05-23T18:21:43 < day> zyp: in which country do you live?
2018-05-23T18:21:48 < englishman> bright orange so other hunters dont shoot you
2018-05-23T18:22:10 < zyp> day, norway
2018-05-23T18:22:15 < day> wow
2018-05-23T18:22:24 < BrainDamage> oh, did he go around clutching his arms and quack loudly?
2018-05-23T18:22:32 < day> you have so much space. didnt expect they have such strict rules on crossbows
2018-05-23T18:23:10 < BrainDamage> it's probably more to prevent botched shots than weapon safety
2018-05-23T18:23:57 < englishman> well norway has also banned all semi auto firearms
2018-05-23T18:24:12 < englishman> banning pointy sticks is not far off
2018-05-23T18:25:15 < karlp> oh noes, their freedoms!
2018-05-23T18:25:35 < englishman> breivik won!
2018-05-23T18:26:01 < karlp> won what?
2018-05-23T18:26:10 < karlp> did bryant "win" too?
2018-05-23T18:26:46 < englishman> Kobe Bryant
2018-05-23T18:26:46 < englishman> American basketball player
2018-05-23T18:26:50 < englishman> sounds like he does yeah
2018-05-23T18:27:10 < englishman> does he also shoot people?
2018-05-23T18:27:16 < englishman> in order to advance a fascist agenda
2018-05-23T18:27:36 < Laurenceb> https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/tori-44216421
2018-05-23T18:28:20 < englishman> oh you mean marty
2018-05-23T18:28:25 < englishman> lol marty never shot any guns
2018-05-23T18:28:34 < englishman> he wasnt even able to drive
2018-05-23T18:29:07 < englishman> that was 100% a liberal false flag to introduce new gun legislation. which they did in a quite swift 12 days
2018-05-23T18:29:35 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t5H_RcBecM&vl=en
2018-05-23T18:29:40 < Laurenceb> who is trolling who
2018-05-23T18:32:15 < Laurenceb> https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/22/us/judge-rules-son-must-move-out-new-york-trnd/index.html
2018-05-23T18:32:24 < Laurenceb> le neet face https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/180523070614-01-michael-rotondo-eviction-0522-exlarge-169.jpg
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2018-05-23T18:34:48 < englishman> speaking of people who are not able to drive
2018-05-23T18:35:27 < day> englishman: the irony is that 3years after he did his killing spree europe is being flooded by islamic foreigners :^)
2018-05-23T18:35:29 < Steffanx> Hi.
2018-05-23T18:36:16 < karlp> well, I'm impressed. I'd never actually heard the claim that bryant was a false flag operation.
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2018-05-23T18:37:24 < Laurenceb> I dont even know what it is/was
2018-05-23T18:37:33 < Laurenceb> < just a humble shitposter
2018-05-23T18:37:42 < BrainDamage> not humble
2018-05-23T18:38:31 < englishman> never shot a gun before, yet was able to murder 20 people with shots directly to the forehead
2018-05-23T18:38:45 < englishman> guns were part of a government buyback from 10 years prior, that should have been destroyed.
2018-05-23T18:38:46 < Steffanx> He was a gamer.
2018-05-23T18:38:49 < Laurenceb> tfw I shot a hangun before they got b&
2018-05-23T18:38:54 < Steffanx> Gamers know how to headshot
2018-05-23T18:39:08 < englishman> shortly before he was apprehended, the guns were destroyed by defective ammunition so they could never be tested ballistalluy
2018-05-23T18:40:56 < jadew> about that son being evicted
2018-05-23T18:41:14 < jadew> that's failed parenting
2018-05-23T18:42:12 < Laurenceb> nice "just.jpg" face tho
2018-05-23T18:42:14 < jadew> you raise a waste of space and then you complain about it
2018-05-23T18:42:20 < Laurenceb> it will be a new meme
2018-05-23T18:42:58 < jadew> who are you talking about? what shooter?
2018-05-23T18:44:26 < jadew> why does afrikaanas sounds like broken english?
2018-05-23T18:46:07 < BrainDamage> afrikaans is a bastardized dutch
2018-05-23T18:46:38 < jadew> BrainDamage, I think it's more of a bastardized english, cuz I don't know dutch and I can understand it
2018-05-23T18:47:05 < jadew> it's like did they gave up learning english half way through and then decided to freeze it and make it official
2018-05-23T18:47:33 < invzim> christ, how long does it take st to fix sdio+fatfs - do they do ANY testing at all?
2018-05-23T18:48:14 < invzim> the forum is full of 'helpful' people posting rewrites of generated code, instead of them telling st to get their shit together
2018-05-23T18:48:34 < Laurenceb> heh I gave up and used copypastered codez
2018-05-23T18:49:09 < invzim> I got things working in a different project, but figured I'd try vendor-supported truestudio+cubem
2018-05-23T18:49:11 < day> englishman: wasnt he in a shooting club?
2018-05-23T18:49:12 < invzim> x
2018-05-23T18:49:14 < englishman> btw whoever recommended this greenlee cable splitter, it's a genius tool
2018-05-23T18:49:55 < jadew> englishman, link or name?
2018-05-23T18:50:08 < day> government buyback doesnt mean "gun destrution". they are often resold
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2018-05-23T19:28:29 < zyp> englishman, I don't think there's been any change to the gun legislation since that event
2018-05-23T19:29:39 < englishman> hm last news was from early march
2018-05-23T19:29:50 < englishman> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-norway-guns/norway-set-to-ban-semi-automatic-weapons-idUSKCN1GD5WL
2018-05-23T19:29:57 < englishman> maybe it did not make it through goverment?
2018-05-23T19:30:27 < englishman> i read more in a norwegian-language source but they are hard to search for in english
2018-05-23T19:30:39 < zyp> maybe I've just not been following enough
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2018-05-23T19:33:43 < zyp> apparently it's just a minor change to the law
2018-05-23T19:34:15 < zyp> if I'm reading it right, most semi-automatics were already outlawed, it's just slightly adjusting the scope
2018-05-23T19:34:28 < englishman> interesting
2018-05-23T19:35:11 < zyp> the weapon used for the terror attack is one of those that used to be legal, won't be anymore
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2018-05-23T19:36:11 < englishman> too bad, it's a handy cheap rifle, was made for farmers to control groundhogs and other small pests
2018-05-23T19:38:21 < englishman> despite also being used to murder 14 women here in the 80s, this particular rifle doesnt have any extra special restrictions on it and i can still use it to murder groundhogs
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2018-05-23T19:41:09 < Steffanx> Lol jadew. Afrikaans is more dutch for sure. Afrikaans is even a dutch word ;)
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2018-05-23T19:55:07 < Steffanx> So did you go for the 25% discount on your $800 ARROW order englishman?
2018-05-23T19:55:26 < englishman> 25% discount where?
2018-05-23T19:55:44 < englishman> if they offered 25% off i would order much more than $800
2018-05-23T19:56:35 < Steffanx> i swear i read about some $200 discount when ordered more than $800
2018-05-23T19:58:01 < Steffanx> https://www.arrow.com/en/research-and-events/articles/dollar-off-emea-en?utm_source=eloqua&utm_medium=email&utm_term=research_events&utm_content=arrow_non_perks&utm_campaign=arrow_emea_en_segmented-offer-test-non-perks_may2018
2018-05-23T19:59:25 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdJkjtuW4AA40Gw.jpg
2018-05-23T19:59:50 < Laurenceb> ur mom
2018-05-23T19:59:50 < Streaker> Your girlfriend is pretty.
2018-05-23T20:00:18 < englishman> thanks steffy
2018-05-23T20:00:23 < englishman> i will definitely use that
2018-05-23T20:03:01 < Steffanx> And finally ARROW does Delivered Duty Paid. So no more taxes afterwards. Ty arrow
2018-05-23T20:05:51 < englishman> the whiney emails i send to my salesman are coming back undeliverable now
2018-05-23T20:06:31 < Steffanx> lol you sent too many?
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2018-05-23T20:15:26 < Aditya> aandrew, sublime 2 or sublime 3?
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2018-05-23T20:36:20 < Laurenceb> are oyu beach body ready?
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2018-05-23T20:44:26 < mawk> what's the best way to measure a pulse duration ?
2018-05-23T20:45:29 < Laurenceb> a timer
2018-05-23T20:45:36 < Laurenceb> input capture
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2018-05-23T21:20:10 < mawk> yeah I know that Laurenceb 
2018-05-23T21:20:11 < mawk> but how
2018-05-23T21:20:24 < Laurenceb> prob with CUBE if ur lazy
2018-05-23T21:20:24 < mawk> using an ISR for rise and fall, and run a timer in between ?
2018-05-23T21:20:29 < Laurenceb> nonnononnono
2018-05-23T21:20:34 < Laurenceb> ur doing it wrong
2018-05-23T21:20:37 < Laurenceb> use input capture
2018-05-23T21:20:42 < mawk> but what's that
2018-05-23T21:20:44 < mawk> I'm using mbed
2018-05-23T21:20:52 < mawk> and I've read pretty much all the docs and didn't see something like this
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2018-05-23T21:21:43 < mawk> I've seen people doing a while (port == 1) continue; loop but I find that very ugly
2018-05-23T21:21:49 < mawk> the ISR method looked clean to me
2018-05-23T21:22:17 < mawk> with proper synchronization between the ISR and the running thread
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2018-05-23T21:24:12 < R0b0t1`> while (flag); is pretty traditional if you can block
2018-05-23T21:26:24 < mawk> it has the same precision as using interrupts ?
2018-05-23T21:29:16 < R0b0t1`> It might actually be higher considering the delay to move everything to the shadow registers and move the PC
2018-05-23T21:29:41 < R0b0t1`> Can also depend on how linear your execution is, and how far out the interrupt code is and how often it runs
2018-05-23T21:29:55 < R0b0t1`> M4/L4 parts make use of icache
2018-05-23T21:30:39 < R0b0t1`> If it matters a while loop will be *very* power hungry, though
2018-05-23T21:30:48 < Steffanx> Using mbed you have access to the registers right? Setup the timer to do input capture and grap the timer value. Wont get it more accurate.
2018-05-23T21:31:01 < Steffanx> grab*
2018-05-23T21:32:43 < R0b0t1`> Mbed looks a little more forgiving to using CPU facilities directly
2018-05-23T21:32:49 < R0b0t1`> I still need to figure out how to actually use it
2018-05-23T21:32:56 < englishman> theres a bunch of shit you can do depending on pulse duration but they all involve grabbing hardware timestamps on edge transitions and comparing them
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2018-05-23T21:34:35 < Laurenceb> yeah, you can even use dma as well
2018-05-23T21:34:44 < Laurenceb> no need to even involve the cpu until later
2018-05-23T21:34:48 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113943.png  my sides
2018-05-23T21:35:15 < englishman> stop linking to sites that cant even configure tls laurent
2018-05-23T21:35:24 < Laurenceb> sorry
2018-05-23T21:38:11 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/a/f3dskZz
2018-05-23T21:38:41 < englishman> how about you stop linking at all
2018-05-23T21:38:54 < Laurenceb> englishman confirmed as overweight
2018-05-23T21:39:03 < englishman> you already posted that anyway
2018-05-23T21:39:25 < jadew> what does body positive actually mean tho? is it pro healthy body or as in "body: positive - a lot more body than necessary"?
2018-05-23T21:39:35 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-05-23T21:39:44 < Laurenceb> d(body)/dt > 0
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2018-05-23T21:40:22 < jadew> so the fattening is accelerating
2018-05-23T21:41:30 < mawk> R0b0t1`: power was my primary concern after all yes
2018-05-23T21:41:47 < mawk> but if it harms precision too much I'll abandon that
2018-05-23T21:41:52 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJtoVaOjRpY
2018-05-23T21:42:22 < mawk> yeah Steffanx probably
2018-05-23T21:42:41 < mawk> I may have to tweak it a little
2018-05-23T21:44:01 < Laurenceb> >tfw I cant work out which are the troll edits
2018-05-23T21:46:19 < Laurenceb> >McIdentity™  comment5s deliver
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2018-05-23T22:09:44 < englishman> zyp, electrician question
2018-05-23T22:09:45 < englishman> 12-308 Minimum size of overhead conductors
2018-05-23T22:09:45 < englishman> Single conductors run aerially between buildings or supports on the same premises in spans exceeding 4.5 m
2018-05-23T22:09:45 < englishman> shall be not smaller than
2018-05-23T22:09:45 < englishman> (a) No. 10 AWG copper or No. 6 AWG aluminum for spans of more than 4.5 m but not more than 15 m;
2018-05-23T22:09:51 < englishman> etc. and so forth
2018-05-23T22:10:16 < englishman> since this only refers to single conductors, could i still run 14-2 cable overhead?
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2018-05-23T22:13:56 < Laurenceb> QWidget::setLayout: Attempting to set QLayout "" on QWidget "", when the QLayout already has a parent
2018-05-23T22:14:01 < Laurenceb> Qt intensifies
2018-05-23T22:14:24 < englishman> hmmm, seems to be a moot, since the only cable types allowed on aerial spans are single-conductor
2018-05-23T22:15:21 < jadew> just when I'm about to close the deal with UPS they send me this: "Thanks for choosing UPS as your unique service provider for fast shipping" - no shit...
2018-05-23T22:15:37 < jadew> the contract said nothing about uniqueness
2018-05-23T22:16:44 < englishman> since the wiring going to the garage is already 8 or 10 gauge, i only need to run a single additional conductor and beef up the feeds in order to get 240V40A at the garage
2018-05-23T22:16:45 < englishman> nice
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2018-05-23T22:24:50 < englishman> hmm no must be 8awg
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2018-05-23T22:47:29 < Steffanx> Why so early stvn?
2018-05-23T22:48:53 < englishman> innovation doesnt sleep in
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2018-05-23T23:11:55 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/926546199011786752
2018-05-23T23:12:14 < zyp> englishman, I don't know awg, what's that in mm2?
2018-05-23T23:12:40 < englishman> 8awg = 10mm2
2018-05-23T23:13:33 < englishman> yeah reading more, it makes sense
2018-05-23T23:14:01 < m4t> i'm trying to reflash an stlink v2 clone. when i first got it and it had the stlink firmware on it, i was able to reflash it via swd with no issue. now after flashing different code (dap bootloader, neug rng app) i can't talk to it with openocd/ft4232hl
2018-05-23T23:14:08 < m4t> stm32f103cb
2018-05-23T23:14:08 < englishman> i'll run 8 or 6 gauge (16mm2) single conductor cables across the span
2018-05-23T23:14:11 < zyp> I was just outside modifying my charger
2018-05-23T23:14:29 < zyp> got some new contactors today, with NC terminals as well
2018-05-23T23:14:47 < m4t> i was under the assumption that swd could be entered at any time. i didn't see any code in neug or dap which disabled swd
2018-05-23T23:14:53 < zyp> so I added an extra output for when my car is not charging
2018-05-23T23:14:56 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/Z3hfA.jpg
2018-05-23T23:15:07 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/U7SZh.jpg
2018-05-23T23:15:11 < englishman> nice
2018-05-23T23:16:01 < zyp> yellow extension cord goes over to where my wife's car is parked
2018-05-23T23:16:21 < zyp> so now we can plug in both at the same time and have them both be full in the morning
2018-05-23T23:16:53 < zyp> I got tired of plugging out my charger and plugging in her every time we switch
2018-05-23T23:17:06 < stvn> Cool
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2018-05-23T23:17:56 < Ecco> m4t: Interesting. What's the point of reflashing that thing?
2018-05-23T23:18:16 < m4t> im using them for gnuk and/or neug
2018-05-23T23:18:19 < Steffanx> I see zyp also likes those wago ( or whatever brand) clip thingies :)
2018-05-23T23:18:22 < Ecco> Oh, sorry, so you get an HW RNG
2018-05-23T23:18:25 < englishman> these Juicebox brand chargers claim if you plug them in on the same circuit, they will power-share automatically, i assume there is some powerline communication there
2018-05-23T23:18:33 < Ecco> That's actually a good idea :)
2018-05-23T23:18:33 < zyp> Steffanx, wagos are awesome
2018-05-23T23:18:48 < Ecco> So you just rip the SWD cable apart and keep the nice enclosure + STM32
2018-05-23T23:18:56 < m4t> im going to modify the dap bootloader to stay in dfu mode if a certain pin is asserted. but i can't do that until i am able to reflash it lol.
2018-05-23T23:19:00 < Steffanx> They are excellent fidget thingies too. 
2018-05-23T23:19:16 < Ecco> I did reflash one of those a few months ago
2018-05-23T23:19:18 < zyp> Steffanx, I always had a pocket dedicated to wagos in my toolbelt when I worked as an electrician
2018-05-23T23:19:40 < Ecco> They're F10x aren't they? Do'nt those support USB DFU?
2018-05-23T23:19:40 < zyp> and yeah, I have a fidget collection on my desk too :p
2018-05-23T23:19:46 < englishman> wagos > marettes
2018-05-23T23:20:02 < Steffanx> lol, people use those for real englishman?
2018-05-23T23:20:18 < englishman> especially handy for joining stranded to solid wire
2018-05-23T23:20:36 < zyp> englishman, that sounds unreliable
2018-05-23T23:20:47 < englishman> the wagos not the marettes
2018-05-23T23:22:28 < zyp> autodetection of power sharing sounds like a can of worms
2018-05-23T23:22:35 < englishman> oh that
2018-05-23T23:22:41 < englishman> well, it is another $1k charger
2018-05-23T23:22:57 < zyp> I mean
2018-05-23T23:23:05 < englishman> those viridian controllers are interesting
2018-05-23T23:23:26 < zyp> plug them into the same circuit, it's noisy so they don't detect each other, they both decide to draw full power, overload
2018-05-23T23:23:35 < zyp> that's one failure mode
2018-05-23T23:24:23 < zyp> have two with dedicated circuits (or maybe you and your neighbor even), signal goes further than you think and they can still detect each other, both reduces charging current to half
2018-05-23T23:24:53 < zyp> neither sounds like a very good experience
2018-05-23T23:25:05 < m4t> Ecco: no, serial bootloader only
2018-05-23T23:25:06 < englishman> ah nevermind
2018-05-23T23:25:09 < m4t> f107 does i think
2018-05-23T23:25:13 < englishman> it is over their wireless data connection
2018-05-23T23:25:16 < englishman> https://support.emotorwerks.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002651411-Load-Sharing-Use-and-Setup
2018-05-23T23:25:29 < m4t> i don't have boot0/1 broken out though :|
2018-05-23T23:25:43 < Steffanx> bootstrap spotted.
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2018-05-23T23:26:05 < karlp> is bootstrap a problem?
2018-05-23T23:26:11 < zyp> englishman, okay, that looks more sane
2018-05-23T23:26:24 < Steffanx> i didnt say that karlp. It's just very easy to recognize.
2018-05-23T23:27:18 < zyp> englishman, as for the viridian stuff, I wouldn't say they are very interesting, they are dumb as fuck
2018-05-23T23:27:34 < englishman> yes and finally they don't seem that cheap either once the contactor and cable are added
2018-05-23T23:27:34 < zyp> but they are cheap, and you can build the rest around it as you like
2018-05-23T23:28:13 < karlp> englishman: what's the rationale for only allowing solid conductor not stranded on aerial spans?
2018-05-23T23:28:32 < englishman> karlp, it's not solid vs stranded, it's single conductor vs. multi conductor cable
2018-05-23T23:28:46 < zyp> englishman, eh, the contactors I just bought were $18 for two, shipped :p
2018-05-23T23:28:56 < zyp> (from china)
2018-05-23T23:28:58 < englishman> finally, i believe only single conductor, stranded cable with certain sheathings are allowed
2018-05-23T23:29:20 < englishman> ah that's not bad
2018-05-23T23:29:43 < zyp> https://www.aliexpress.com/item//32268052086.html <- this shit
2018-05-23T23:30:28 < zyp> you'd naturally want one with beefyer contacts and a 110V coil, unless you're going for L2
2018-05-23T23:30:37 < englishman> i've had to replace a couple relays in the timers for wifeishman's greenhouse already. should probably look into better relays or add some RC circuit across them
2018-05-23T23:30:53 < m4t> ah got it lol
2018-05-23T23:31:26 < karlp> what's the rationale for only allowing single conductor?
2018-05-23T23:31:39 < m4t> i guess i finally had things wired up properly. when i first flashed i just used pressure to hold the wire to the swdio/swclk holes on the board. i'd soldered them this time, but one was leaning over grounding it out
2018-05-23T23:31:48 < m4t> (or giving it 5v...i dunno which is which)
2018-05-23T23:32:23 < englishman> i assume for cable life, as they swing and chafe together in the wind, each cable can flex individually
2018-05-23T23:32:40 < m4t> [254426.107671] usb 1-1.1.4: Product: DAPBoot DFU Bootloader
2018-05-23T23:32:41 < m4t> :-]
2018-05-23T23:32:41 < englishman> also 8 gauge and bigger is typically single conductor afaik
2018-05-23T23:32:43 < zyp> englishman, also, aerial wires seems kinda old fashioned to me, most people here would bury a cable to their garage nowadays
2018-05-23T23:32:51 < englishman> yes, but this is old
2018-05-23T23:33:03 < englishman> when those garages get torn down i'll bury new lines
2018-05-23T23:33:13 < englishman> but would have to rip up ashphalt etc.
2018-05-23T23:33:36 < zyp> ah, makes sense
2018-05-23T23:39:51 < englishman> so, i was checking out ev charger listings
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2018-05-23T23:40:04 < englishman> and it turns out a nearby hotel has a charger that doesn't have any interlock or anything
2018-05-23T23:40:06 < englishman> it's just there
2018-05-23T23:40:17 < englishman> what is the etiquette for something like that
2018-05-23T23:41:06 < zyp> depends what the description says
2018-05-23T23:41:50 < englishman> on the unit itself? there's nothing apart from the manufacturer and model number etc
2018-05-23T23:41:50 < zyp> it's common here to have chargers that are available to anybody
2018-05-23T23:42:02 < zyp> e.g. businesses wanting to attract customers
2018-05-23T23:42:29 < englishman> so, basically i get to use it until told not to, then i get to ruin it for everyone
2018-05-23T23:45:23 < zyp> unless it says you can use it, I wouldn't use it without asking or actually staying there
2018-05-23T23:47:43 < englishman> ok
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2018-05-24T00:12:38 < zyp> in norway we have a public charger map where each entry lists who are supposed to use it
2018-05-24T00:12:49 < zyp> anybody, customers/guests, employees, etc…
2018-05-24T00:13:23 < zyp> there's a lot of «anybody» entries there
2018-05-24T00:13:34 < zyp> and a bunch of customers/guests too
2018-05-24T00:15:02 < zyp> now there's starting to be more and more pay chargers too
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2018-05-24T00:15:22 < stvn> I like the charger
2018-05-24T00:15:36 < stvn> Maybe it’ll make aussies shut the fuck up
2018-05-24T00:21:08 < stvn> The petrol clowns
2018-05-24T00:21:53 < Steffanx> 🤡
2018-05-24T00:22:34 < stvn> Exactly
2018-05-24T00:27:56 < stvn> How are Aussie gonna drink alcohol and smoke tobacco mate
2018-05-24T00:28:14 < aandrew> Aditya: does it *really* matter?
2018-05-24T00:29:24 < Aditya> Well now it does not. I installed one. The starting is always frustrating.
2018-05-24T00:29:29 < Aditya> Thanks aandrew 
2018-05-24T00:30:51 < Aditya> If I install the wrong tools, I am really fucked, so yeah and sublime is really nice.
2018-05-24T00:32:53 < Aditya> in debugger is ozone open sourced, I see it's by some company called segger.
2018-05-24T00:33:55 < Aditya> Yeah it is open sourced.
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2018-05-24T00:37:04 < zyp> no, it's not
2018-05-24T00:37:46 < Aditya> zyp, yay or no for installing it?
2018-05-24T00:37:50 < BrainDamage> being open sauced or not is only remotely meaningful unless you plan to edit it or build it
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2018-05-24T00:42:27 < R0b0t1`> Open Source is useful besides that
2018-05-24T00:42:47 < R0b0t1`> Even going by your rather limited definition stuff has a tendency to not do what you want. If you have the source you can fix it.
2018-05-24T00:43:06 < R0b0t1`> This is partly why it looks like Linux has so many more issues day to day: people can actually figure out what is wrong.
2018-05-24T00:43:23 < R0b0t1`> With Windows you get an opaque error message and that is the end of it. If you're a business you might contact Microsoft if the issue is losing you money.
2018-05-24T00:43:27 < R0b0t1`> As an individual you usually just move on.
2018-05-24T00:43:44 < BrainDamage> ... that's still under 'unless you plan to edit it'
2018-05-24T00:44:31 < Aditya> BrainDamage, you never know.
2018-05-24T00:44:49 < BrainDamage> ofc, which is why it's preferrable given the alternative
2018-05-24T00:45:10 < Aditya> Of being under the thumb of wondows?
2018-05-24T00:45:40 < aandrew> I thankfully have not run windows outside of a VM in many years now
2018-05-24T00:45:52 < BrainDamage> no, I'm not a idealist, my concerns are merely practical
2018-05-24T00:46:16 < R0b0t1`> BrainDamage: There's about a 98% chance you'll want to edit it
2018-05-24T00:46:20 < Aditya> idealism is different from perfectionism.
2018-05-24T00:46:22 < R0b0t1`> You could also check it for security
2018-05-24T00:46:44 < R0b0t1`> Practically no one uses closed source cryptography for extremely sensitive communication
2018-05-24T00:46:45 < Aditya> R0b0t1`, diassemble the bitch.
2018-05-24T00:46:58 < BrainDamage> R0b0t1: i don't know about yourself, but i have checked the code / build of my system for way way less than 0.01%
2018-05-24T00:47:15 < R0b0t1`> <R0b0t1`> Practically no one uses closed source cryptography for extremely sensitive communication
2018-05-24T00:47:24 < zyp> R0b0t1` haven't either, he just likes talking about it
2018-05-24T00:47:49 < R0b0t1`> You can also apply the arguments against using closed source cryptography to using any closed source program, really
2018-05-24T00:47:52 < zyp> cryptography is irrelevant, we're talking about a debuggergui
2018-05-24T00:47:57 < R0b0t1`> No it's not
2018-05-24T00:48:09 < zyp> why not?
2018-05-24T00:48:21 < R0b0t1`> Wrong way: why do you think it's irrelevant?
2018-05-24T00:48:28 < R0b0t1`> I just explained why I thought it was
2018-05-24T00:48:57 < R0b0t1`> <R0b0t1`> <R0b0t1`> Practically no one uses closed source cryptography for extremely sensitive communication
2018-05-24T00:48:57 < R0b0t1`> <R0b0t1`> You can also apply the arguments against using closed source cryptography to using any closed source program, really
2018-05-24T00:48:58 < jadew> I'd like to pitch in
2018-05-24T00:49:01 < jadew> windows > linux
2018-05-24T00:49:20  * R0b0t1` prays that he will one day use Open Hardware, even if only in Heaven
2018-05-24T00:49:30 < zyp> good luck, rms
2018-05-24T00:49:53 < jadew> also, open hardware sucks
2018-05-24T00:50:10 < Aditya> In terms of getting the job done withing the stipulated time jadew windows > linux, but for hitting the perfect spot of sanity in stuff, not that muc
2018-05-24T00:50:12 < Aditya> *much
2018-05-24T00:50:47 < jadew> open hardware = a board with no support
2018-05-24T00:51:07 < jadew> cuz... it's open source so you get to write your own software and whatever else it needs
2018-05-24T00:51:22 < jadew> aka the most difficult part of a product
2018-05-24T00:51:40 < Aditya> why do we need support if we have every schematic in the site or with yourself?
2018-05-24T00:52:13 < R0b0t1`> jadew: Only now, sir
2018-05-24T00:52:15 < jadew> Aditya, because writing the software is usually much more expensive and time consuming than designing the hardware
2018-05-24T00:52:19 < R0b0t1`> I pray that soon it will be very useful
2018-05-24T00:52:29 < R0b0t1`> I put my trust in the Lord
2018-05-24T00:53:17 < Steffanx> The Lord that gave you guns and ammo. Am i right?
2018-05-24T00:53:47 < stvn> Muh guns
2018-05-24T00:53:52 < Aditya> I think in R0b0t1` case colt did.
2018-05-24T00:53:57 < stvn> Muh ammo
2018-05-24T00:54:07 < Steffanx> Muh Laurence
2018-05-24T00:54:19 < stvn> Muh heritage
2018-05-24T00:54:21 < jadew> I don't think that any serious project went opensource because of the goodness in the owner's heart
2018-05-24T00:54:28 < jadew> that goes for software and hardware
2018-05-24T00:54:52 < R0b0t1`> Some of them have
2018-05-24T00:54:52 < Steffanx> No?
2018-05-24T00:54:55 < jadew> for software, they saw an opportunity at getting work out of the community for a little loss
2018-05-24T00:54:55 < R0b0t1`> What about OpenPGP?
2018-05-24T00:55:14 < R0b0t1`> There was a huge effort to distribute it against US arms export control
2018-05-24T00:55:25 < jadew> for hardware, it's always to keep the profit, while the bulk of the work is done by the community
2018-05-24T00:55:39 < jadew> sure there are projects that are started by people with no clue and they just evolve
2018-05-24T00:55:54 < Aditya> Well, IETF is another shady agency so open PGP is not the point there.
2018-05-24T00:56:02 < jadew> or projects that are started in universities where even if the people involved wanted to make money off of that stuff, they couldn't do it efectively
2018-05-24T00:56:27 < jadew> but most opensource projects end up opensource because it meant more proffit for the owner (in one way or another)
2018-05-24T00:57:10 < BrainDamage> how is that bad?
2018-05-24T00:57:42 < BrainDamage> from a user pov it's better than the alternative
2018-05-24T00:57:50 < jadew> it's not, but it makes open hardware the worst between the two, because it's also the most effective way of exploiting the community
2018-05-24T00:58:04 < jadew> so the value you're getting out of it is a lot less than with software
2018-05-24T00:58:26 < jadew> BrainDamage, the alternative being out of the box working stuff?
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2018-05-24T00:58:38 < BrainDamage> you're mixing a lot of things
2018-05-24T00:59:02 < BrainDamage> you're assuming because it's open source it delegates the work on the community, while it often happens it's not necessarily implied
2018-05-24T00:59:37 < jadew> clearly, but it's not jsut often, that's the norm
2018-05-24T00:59:42 < BrainDamage> eg my sony phone has sony devs, paid by sony ( with my money ofc ), commiting code to the vanilla linux kernel
2018-05-24T00:59:45 < jadew> look at every open hardware platform
2018-05-24T01:00:03 < jadew> almost none of them have proper software support
2018-05-24T01:00:19 < BrainDamage> sony benefits by limiting the cost of long term support, and i benefit by having proper kernel support
2018-05-24T01:00:28 < jadew> while at the same time cashing in on the hardware, while the sw is free and opensource and developed by the community, who gets nothing out of it
2018-05-24T01:00:49 < jadew> but the owners of the projects do get to sell their product, on the account of the support provided by the community
2018-05-24T01:01:11 < BrainDamage> they don't get nothing out of it, also, you're assuming the community as if it was naïve and exploitable
2018-05-24T01:01:17 < BrainDamage> they can simply refuse not to
2018-05-24T01:01:27 < jadew> BrainDamage, it is naive and exploitable
2018-05-24T01:01:58 < jadew> most of the opensource supporters believe it's some sort of ideal thing that makes everyone happy
2018-05-24T01:01:58 < BrainDamage> this is just your pov, not some objective reality
2018-05-24T01:02:00 < jadew> it isn't
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2018-05-24T01:03:05 < zyp> I don't think the amount of phones running unpatched mainline linux is very high
2018-05-24T01:03:12 < jadew> BrainDamage, maybe my POV is skewed because I'm a programmer and I see opensource software also as a displacing force
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2018-05-24T01:04:04 < zyp> I've worked with lowlevel android and it was a clusterfuck of patches
2018-05-24T01:04:17 < R0b0t1`> jadew: I think that is shortsighted
2018-05-24T01:04:25 < R0b0t1`> There are lots of companies that sell "open" software/hardware by default because they recognize its value to other people
2018-05-24T01:04:28 < zyp> git repos with .patch files and scripts to apply them in some or another order and shit
2018-05-24T01:04:34 < zyp> and branches for different hardware variants
2018-05-24T01:04:37 < R0b0t1`> And other people prefer those companies due to the value of being able to modify the product
2018-05-24T01:04:45 < jadew> R0b0t1`, they just want to cash in without putting in the hard work
2018-05-24T01:04:58 < R0b0t1`> Even multimillion dollar "closed source" projects really are not: in those cases the teams are actually sharing code, it's just covered by NDA and not disclosed outside of the respective company teams
2018-05-24T01:05:07 < zyp> this was some years ago, but I doubt it have improved since :)
2018-05-24T01:05:16 < jadew> they burden of providing the software gets shifted to the end user
2018-05-24T01:05:18 < R0b0t1`> jadew: That is an unsupported assertion
2018-05-24T01:05:33 < R0b0t1`> I don't know any place that sells hardware with literally no support
2018-05-24T01:05:41 < R0b0t1`> Some AliExpress stores might but I don't see them making much money
2018-05-24T01:05:43 < jadew> I didn't say no support, just minimal
2018-05-24T01:05:49 < R0b0t1`> Hardkernel, OrangePi, etc, all support their own stuff
2018-05-24T01:05:53 < zyp> the problem with mainline linux is that it takes time to get stuff merged, and phone mfgs don't have time to wait for that
2018-05-24T01:05:57 < R0b0t1`> Ok you just moved the goalpost
2018-05-24T01:05:59 < jadew> take hackrf for example, which is a very big and well known project
2018-05-24T01:06:05 < jadew> the software support is minimal
2018-05-24T01:06:14 < R0b0t1`> At first you said "no support"
2018-05-24T01:06:21 < jadew> much less than you'd want or you would expect from a closed source product
2018-05-24T01:06:22 < R0b0t1`> Now we are at "acceptable level of support"
2018-05-24T01:06:28 < R0b0t1`> You still haven't defined it
2018-05-24T01:06:29 < jadew> I didn't say acceptable
2018-05-24T01:06:30 < R0b0t1`> I have to go
2018-05-24T01:06:31 < jadew> I said minimal
2018-05-24T01:06:45 < R0b0t1`> The salient point is you said something different from what you originally said
2018-05-24T01:06:48 < jadew> if it was acceptable you wouldn't have to build sutff yourself
2018-05-24T01:07:08 < jadew> R0b0t1`, you're nitpicking on semantics
2018-05-24T01:07:16 < jadew> a board that isn't shown to work, wouldn't sell
2018-05-24T01:07:31 < jadew> anything that requires software, also requires the minimal support to show it works
2018-05-24T01:07:37 < jadew> that's pretty much what hackrf provides
2018-05-24T01:07:44 < jadew> the rest is up to you
2018-05-24T01:08:43 < zyp> then again, that's sort of the point of SDR
2018-05-24T01:09:00 < jadew> zyp, true, but it's not just a receiver
2018-05-24T01:09:06 < zyp> generic hardware, then you add your own software to get it do what you want
2018-05-24T01:09:41 < jadew> but you can then look at the closed source SDRs
2018-05-24T01:09:56 < jadew> they all come with custom software, specifically tailored for the hw
2018-05-24T01:10:08 < zyp> nah, I'm gonna go look at my pillow now, good night
2018-05-24T01:10:15 < jadew> night
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2018-05-24T02:16:26 < R0b0t1> jadew: No, I'm not
2018-05-24T02:16:44 < R0b0t1> You moved the goalposts. The new goalposts seem okay, I suppose, but you need to define how much support is enough
2018-05-24T02:16:55 < R0b0t1> They typically give you a working OS image or equivalent and then the code
2018-05-24T02:17:10 < R0b0t1> What else are they to do? Spend money giving you free engineering support for whatever crazy idea you come up with?
2018-05-24T02:18:45 < jadew> R0b0t1, yes
2018-05-24T02:18:49 < jadew> support and software
2018-05-24T02:19:01 < jadew> that's what you expect from non open source stuff
2018-05-24T02:19:29 < jadew> if I buy something from you and your shit doesn't work, I expect you to fix it, not to tell me to fix it myself
2018-05-24T02:20:18 < jadew> but that's assuming you have software to use it with
2018-05-24T02:20:32 < jadew> you don't even get that far with open source hardware
2018-05-24T02:21:46 < jadew> so I guess I most importantly expect that software
2018-05-24T02:21:56 < jadew> I expect to be able to fully use the device
2018-05-24T02:23:08 < R0b0t1> jadew: Look, I know of no proprietary source company that is going to give me free engineering support
2018-05-24T02:23:44 < jadew> R0b0t1, but you shouldn't need engineering support
2018-05-24T02:23:55 < R0b0t1> And you usually don't
2018-05-24T02:23:55 < jadew> if they do everything right, you can just use it and get value out of it
2018-05-24T02:24:16 < jadew> with open hardware you usually do
2018-05-24T02:24:21 < R0b0t1> I don't know what you're buying but most proprietary stuff I've used in a business capacity was both sold "as is" and in need of engineering support
2018-05-24T02:24:32 < jadew> even open source software can rarely be used out of the box
2018-05-24T02:24:35 < R0b0t1> So your argument falls flat on its face
2018-05-24T02:25:02 < jadew> you've bought incomplete properietary stuff?
2018-05-24T02:25:05 < R0b0t1> At worst all open source stuff I have used is on part with commercial offerings *or better* because you can actually modify it without paying the original designers through the nose
2018-05-24T02:25:10 < R0b0t1> *All the time*
2018-05-24T02:25:14 < R0b0t1> In some markets there is *nothing elsE*
2018-05-24T02:25:53 < jadew> I don't have any memory imprinted in my mind of me using some opensource software and being like "damn... this is great!"
2018-05-24T02:26:00 < R0b0t1> I'm going to go out on a limb and say the quality of hardware/software, proprietary or otherwise, is mainly dependent on the market niche
2018-05-24T02:26:21 < R0b0t1> jadew: I get that feeling all the time using Gentoo
2018-05-24T02:26:23 < jadew> R0b0t1, there's a big difference between opensource and closed source
2018-05-24T02:26:24 < R0b0t1> Everything just works
2018-05-24T02:26:33 < jadew> when you're selling closed source you have a responsibility to the customer
2018-05-24T02:26:50 < R0b0t1> Maybe
2018-05-24T02:26:55 < jadew> with open source that responsibility is severely watered down by the fact that everyone thinks the customer should do it
2018-05-24T02:26:57 < jadew> since he has the source
2018-05-24T02:27:01 < R0b0t1> But if you sell them something broken and you don't do any support then they have to sue you for support
2018-05-24T02:27:09 < R0b0t1> That is a waste of time most companies won't bankroll
2018-05-24T02:27:16 < R0b0t1> So broken stuff continues to be sold
2018-05-24T02:27:48 < R0b0t1> With your point, no. You're assuming things that have horrible support sell. They don't.
2018-05-24T02:27:51 < R0b0t1> People aren't idiots.
2018-05-24T02:28:00 < R0b0t1> They're only going to buy open source stuff if it works out of the box for their purpose.
2018-05-24T02:28:03 < jadew> yes they are
2018-05-24T02:28:12 < jadew> opensource anything has virtually ZERO support
2018-05-24T02:28:25 < R0b0t1> Maybe some small vocal minority buys something not understanding what they are getting in to
2018-05-24T02:28:36 < jadew> I filed for really annoying issues a decade ago, in a popular opensource project
2018-05-24T02:28:41 < jadew> and got a reply last year
2018-05-24T02:28:48 < jadew> asking me if I'm still interested in that problem
2018-05-24T02:28:50 < R0b0t1> But anyone who actually researches their purchases will quickly find out if some hardware suits their purpose
2018-05-24T02:29:00 < R0b0t1> I admit some newer open hardware has poor support but that is advertised very clearly
2018-05-24T02:29:07 < R0b0t1> "This does X"
2018-05-24T02:29:26 < jadew> R0b0t1, I'm not saying that it's not advertised
2018-05-24T02:29:30 < jadew> I'm just saying that it's a scam
2018-05-24T02:29:35 < R0b0t1> But how
2018-05-24T02:29:51 < jadew> because the company making the hardware benefits off of the community's work
2018-05-24T02:29:56 < jadew> while at the same time cashing in on the sales
2018-05-24T02:30:06 < jadew> which happen largely because of what the community did
2018-05-24T02:30:18 < jadew> because they won't put the money into it, to develop their own product
2018-05-24T02:30:19 < R0b0t1> Look at the LimeSDR for a good example: it contains a lot of code for being a base station, for doing WiFi, etc. But if you want something more unique than that you will have to do it yourself.
2018-05-24T02:30:27 < R0b0t1> If the hardware *was not open* then you'd be stuck paying the company to do it for you
2018-05-24T02:30:35 < R0b0t1> Most individuals wouldn't be able to do that
2018-05-24T02:30:50 < R0b0t1> Some sales do seem exploitative, so I avoid those devices
2018-05-24T02:30:55 < jadew> I'm looking at that from a different angle
2018-05-24T02:31:11 < jadew> because you paid less for that HW, you now have something you can't use at its full potential
2018-05-24T02:31:13 < R0b0t1> Like Raspberry Pis, Hardkernel stuff, etc, that is bootloader locked and requires either the RPi Foundation or Hardkernel to mediate some updates for you
2018-05-24T02:31:28 < jadew> and at the same time someone who might have wanted to build something similar, closed source, with full support
2018-05-24T02:31:32 < R0b0t1> That is not inherent in the exchange jadew and it is fallacious to assume it always happens
2018-05-24T02:31:34 < jadew> will have a harder time penetrating the market
2018-05-24T02:31:48 < jadew> that is ultimately the user's loss too
2018-05-24T02:31:51 < R0b0t1> That is not inherent in the exchange jadew and it is fallacious to assume it always happens
2018-05-24T02:32:05 < R0b0t1> Starting from first principles the market is right
2018-05-24T02:32:06 < jadew> the only people winning here are the open source hardware manufacturers, which was my original point
2018-05-24T02:32:31 < R0b0t1> I really don't see your point, you keep repeating yourself while not addressing anything I've brought up
2018-05-24T02:32:43 < jadew> ok, what do you want me to address?
2018-05-24T02:32:54 < R0b0t1>  R0b0t1 | That is not inherent in the exchange jadew and it is fallacious to assume it always
2018-05-24T02:32:56 < R0b0t1>         | happens
2018-05-24T02:33:04 < R0b0t1> You've taken some exchanges and generalized them to all exchanges
2018-05-24T02:33:17 < R0b0t1> Sometimes well documented hardware is sold at a decent profit and then people contribute to the ecosystem
2018-05-24T02:33:29 < R0b0t1> Saying the alternative of a closed ecosystem is better doesn't make a lot of sense
2018-05-24T02:33:33 < R0b0t1> Should *only* Windows exist?
2018-05-24T02:34:03 < jadew> R0b0t1, I didn't say what should exist or shouldn't
2018-05-24T02:34:04 < R0b0t1> I also do not think it is fair to say that the programmers who spend time contributing to an open source hardware ecosystem are being taken advantage of
2018-05-24T02:34:16 < jadew> but they are
2018-05-24T02:34:18 < R0b0t1> They are by all measures being taken advantage of *less* than someone who programs for Windows
2018-05-24T02:34:30 < R0b0t1> Maybe but it needs to be put in context
2018-05-24T02:34:37 < R0b0t1> And when it is, it looks more like a mutually beneficial exchange
2018-05-24T02:34:41 < R0b0t1> Which is the entire point of capitalism
2018-05-24T02:34:57 < jadew> that's not like capitalism
2018-05-24T02:35:04 < jadew> the guy coding for the open hardware gets NOTHING
2018-05-24T02:35:11 < jadew> it's more like socialism
2018-05-24T02:35:18 < jadew> where only the people at the top get rich
2018-05-24T02:35:24 < R0b0t1> Okay well you really need to address how this is different and worse than someone who programs for Windows
2018-05-24T02:35:27 < jadew> while the rest are working for the "common good"
2018-05-24T02:35:34 < R0b0t1> Someoen who programs for a system can keep their code closed
2018-05-24T02:35:48 < jadew> someone who programs for windows (closed source) gets to sell his own stuff and earn money off of it
2018-05-24T02:35:54 < R0b0t1> You can do that in either case
2018-05-24T02:35:57 < jadew> someone who codes for an opensource hw project gets nothing
2018-05-24T02:36:11 < R0b0t1> The platform is different than the application
2018-05-24T02:36:22 < jadew> eh... you'd think so, but no
2018-05-24T02:36:24 < R0b0t1> I need to go do my running and weights
2018-05-24T02:36:28 < R0b0t1> jadew: Then you run into a problem
2018-05-24T02:36:36 < R0b0t1> Because using your logic I can prove that Windows is more exploitative
2018-05-24T02:36:36 < jadew> the hardware comes with a bit of driver code usually
2018-05-24T02:36:43 < jadew> which is usually open sourced virally
2018-05-24T02:36:53 < R0b0t1> So?
2018-05-24T02:37:02 < jadew> so you can't sell your resulting program
2018-05-24T02:37:08 < jadew> because people can just compile their own version
2018-05-24T02:37:10 < R0b0t1> Only if it's kernelspace
2018-05-24T02:37:13 < jadew> why would they buy it from you?
2018-05-24T02:37:20 < R0b0t1> They could buy support from you
2018-05-24T02:37:30 < R0b0t1> Look, most of these questions are answered by reading the FSF's blurb on "why free software"
2018-05-24T02:37:39 < jadew> so you'd be incentivized to make it shitty?
2018-05-24T02:37:43 < R0b0t1> It's like you don't even care, so why should I?
2018-05-24T02:37:55 < R0b0t1> No, why would someone buy support for a bad product?
2018-05-24T02:38:14 < jadew> R0b0t1, because that's their only option?
2018-05-24T02:39:25 < jadew> I guarantee that if there's a recurring issue that generates a buttload of money for that guy, he won't fix it
2018-05-24T02:39:48 < jadew> more than that, if he'll see a pattern in how that issue emerged, he'll try to implement it in order parts and other ways too
2018-05-24T02:40:03 < jadew> rewarding incompetence is very dangerous
2018-05-24T02:40:27 < R0b0t1> jadew: Er
2018-05-24T02:40:36 < R0b0t1> If someone has a monopoly then pretty much all of this does not apply
2018-05-24T02:40:44 < jadew> well, it does
2018-05-24T02:40:56 < jadew> how can that monopoly be broken for os hw?
2018-05-24T02:40:57 < R0b0t1> Apply it to *your* argument, you ass
2018-05-24T02:41:04 < jadew> by having someone else work for free, right?
2018-05-24T02:41:24 < jadew> so either way you take it, someone has to work for free
2018-05-24T02:41:28 < R0b0t1> If there's no choice in proprietary software then the customer gets taken advantage of just the same, but with no chance to fix it
2018-05-24T02:41:42 < R0b0t1> I apologize for my strong words sir
2018-05-24T02:41:47 < R0b0t1> I will pray for forgiveness
2018-05-24T02:42:30 < jadew> with proprietary software it's different
2018-05-24T02:43:00 < jadew> mostly, companies that release closed source stuff take themselves seriously and don't just want to quickly cash in on some hw they developed over the week
2018-05-24T02:43:20 < jadew> they want a steady income stream and for that they need a strong product, so that's what they'll try to build
2018-05-24T02:43:27 < jadew> very different mentalities
2018-05-24T02:52:51 < jadew> R0b0t1, let's put this in simpler terms, if you buy some opensource hw, that only provides the bare minimum, who supports the required software development?
2018-05-24T02:53:08 < jadew> who pays for it?
2018-05-24T02:54:23 < jadew> I guess that's what it all boils down to with anything opensource
2018-05-24T02:55:23 < jadew> because it's made to look like nobody pays, but someone does
2018-05-24T02:55:55 < jadew> the problem is that that someone is rarely the beneficiary of his own work, and that's where all the problems with opensource come from
2018-05-24T02:56:30 < jadew> he'll work less and do a poorer job as a consequence
2018-05-24T02:56:44 < jadew> everyone will have free shit tho, just that it will be of poor quality
2018-05-24T03:15:17 < Cracki> REAL {free gibs} hasn't been tried yet
2018-05-24T03:15:50 < jadew> haha
2018-05-24T03:16:08 < Cracki> if you ever had a summer job, you'll be immune to socialism
2018-05-24T03:17:27 < Cracki> this world, in the course of ever advancing automation, will have to face tough ethics questions such as mandatory population control
2018-05-24T03:18:03 < jadew> Cracki, yeah, I've been thinking about the danger of automation too
2018-05-24T03:18:06 < jadew> it's not like in the past
2018-05-24T03:18:11 < Cracki> lots of science fiction deals with the question: they have a "birth license"
2018-05-24T03:18:21 < Cracki> it's not a danger
2018-05-24T03:18:32 < Cracki> grml a fucking moth fucking around behind my screen
2018-05-24T03:18:49 < Cracki> they have... in starship troopers
2018-05-24T03:19:27 < jadew> it's going to be interesting to see where this goes
2018-05-24T03:19:35 < Cracki> "interesting"
2018-05-24T03:19:51 < Cracki> I see the rational ones bugging out towards mars
2018-05-24T03:20:04 < jadew> heh
2018-05-24T03:20:12 < Cracki> and leaving the "rest" to stir in their misery
2018-05-24T03:20:44 < Cracki> it's a lot easier to do it differently if you don't have to enforce borders
2018-05-24T03:21:00 < jadew> do what differently?
2018-05-24T03:21:06 < Cracki> "society"
2018-05-24T03:21:35 < jadew> are you sure?
2018-05-24T03:21:49 < Cracki> corporations don't work democratically, so what you'll get on mars is not democracy, even if it may look like it
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2018-05-24T03:21:55 < Laurenceb_> muh babby, muh shakker
2018-05-24T03:22:11 < jadew> Cracki, ah, you're talking about mars
2018-05-24T03:22:32 < Cracki> you can try this on earth too, but watch the outcry
2018-05-24T03:23:07 < jadew> well, small societies have to be socialistic - is that a word?
2018-05-24T03:23:10 < jadew> I think it is
2018-05-24T03:23:21 < jadew> while large ones have to be capitalist
2018-05-24T03:23:23 < Cracki> the notion that "everyone is equal" was a nice fiction but it dies in the face of reality
2018-05-24T03:23:35 < Cracki> small societies are more like families
2018-05-24T03:23:38 < jadew> ah, not socialistic in the sense of equality
2018-05-24T03:23:41 < jadew> but in the sense of sharing
2018-05-24T03:23:46 < Cracki> yes, like family
2018-05-24T03:23:47 < jadew> that's how tribes operated
2018-05-24T03:24:00 < jadew> and a small settlement on mars would have to do the same
2018-05-24T03:24:06 < Cracki> if you're family/tribe, I'm ok lugging you along
2018-05-24T03:24:16 < jadew> in a large society, like a country, that structure seems to collapse
2018-05-24T03:24:23 < Cracki> but no handouts to outsiders that have no incentive to reciprocate
2018-05-24T03:24:55 < jadew> in socilaist countries, not even insiders have an incentive to do that
2018-05-24T03:24:57 < Cracki> mars will be meritocratic. if you don't pull your weight, get out and make room for someone who does.
2018-05-24T03:25:22 < Laurenceb_> muh eternal socialist versus capitalist ragefest
2018-05-24T03:25:28 < Cracki> hard times make hard men. hard men make good times. good times make weak men. weak men make hard times.
2018-05-24T03:25:31 < Laurenceb_> maybe we could harness the rage as free enrgy
2018-05-24T03:25:41 < jadew> Laurenceb_, not a ragefest, we're just considering how things are going to turn in the world
2018-05-24T03:25:51 < Laurenceb_> muslim
2018-05-24T03:25:53 < Cracki> maybe we could harness the noise of crying babbies
2018-05-24T03:25:55 < Laurenceb_> that was easy to answer
2018-05-24T03:26:00 < Cracki> heh
2018-05-24T03:26:03 < jadew> haha
2018-05-24T03:26:17 < jadew> I'm being serious tho
2018-05-24T03:26:36 < Cracki> imagine trucks of peace driving over "doctors and engineers" on mars
2018-05-24T03:26:41 < jadew> society as it is, will probably advance to the point where a lot of people won't be needed anymore
2018-05-24T03:26:41 < Laurenceb_> I have to write a paper on babby shakking by 4th June
2018-05-24T03:26:45 < Laurenceb_> screwed
2018-05-24T03:26:48 < jadew> (for work)
2018-05-24T03:26:56 < jadew> which will create an impossible situation
2018-05-24T03:26:58 < Laurenceb_> yes
2018-05-24T03:27:03 < Cracki> menial labor will be gone.
2018-05-24T03:27:08 < jadew> because companies will have to be taxated a lot
2018-05-24T03:27:13 < Cracki> so every meatbag has to be working with his brain.
2018-05-24T03:27:15 < jadew> (in order to support those people)
2018-05-24T03:27:21 < Laurenceb_> nobody knows or is interested in babby shaking
2018-05-24T03:27:30 < jadew> if the companies leave, or refuse to do it, the people will turn against them
2018-05-24T03:27:30 < Cracki> so all the small brains will have to go elsewhere.
2018-05-24T03:27:47 < jadew> so I think one way or another, we'll turn to socialism eventually
2018-05-24T03:28:10 < jadew> Laurenceb_, ok, tell us
2018-05-24T03:28:14 < jadew> what's up with the baby shaker
2018-05-24T03:28:30 < Cracki> look at south africa and other places in africa. white farmers are murdered, driven out. then the country starves because they don't manage on their own. then they beg whitey to return
2018-05-24T03:28:41 < Cracki> one way or another, we'll turn away from socialism
2018-05-24T03:29:07 < jadew> Cracki, I think socialism is the future tbh, but not the near future
2018-05-24T03:29:21 < Laurenceb_> jadew: I'm not convinced the baby shaking is a problem
2018-05-24T03:29:21 < Cracki> I think eugenics is the future
2018-05-24T03:29:25 < Cracki> and far smaller populations
2018-05-24T03:29:34 < sync> Cracki: some people I know from central africa have same stories to share
2018-05-24T03:29:55 < Laurenceb_> but for some reason babies that are moved between hospitals suffer brain bleeding
2018-05-24T03:30:02 < Laurenceb_> nobody knows why
2018-05-24T03:30:10 < Cracki> don't shake the baby
2018-05-24T03:30:10 < jadew> sync, that's a reoccuring story in all socialist countires
2018-05-24T03:30:11 < rajkosto>  DONT SHAKE THE BABY
2018-05-24T03:30:22 < Laurenceb_> ppl I work with got ukp4M to work on it
2018-05-24T03:30:30 < jadew> they chase out the productive people then they starve
2018-05-24T03:30:35 < Laurenceb_> and they are obsessed with it being due to vibration from the ambulance
2018-05-24T03:30:46 < Laurenceb_> even tho the vibration is a fraction of 1g
2018-05-24T03:31:04 < Cracki> I say, if you make the productive ones suffer, you should starve.
2018-05-24T03:31:36 < Cracki> people on welfare should be prevented from creating more people on welfare
2018-05-24T03:32:00 < jadew> Laurenceb_, it could be both the vibration, coupled with the fact that they experience less pressure than they did inside the belly
2018-05-24T03:32:01 < sync> maybe they are shaken when getting put in the amberlamps and getting out again
2018-05-24T03:32:11 < Laurenceb_> jadew: thats a very good point
2018-05-24T03:32:13 < jadew> so maybe their veins are more dialted?
2018-05-24T03:32:26 < Laurenceb_> surrounded by amniotic fluid they dont feel the same pressures
2018-05-24T03:32:39 < Laurenceb_> as water density ~ human density
2018-05-24T03:32:41 < Cracki> so dump them in a barrel?
2018-05-24T03:32:58 < Cracki> they definitely get bounced around a lot during transport
2018-05-24T03:32:59 < sync> I did some studies once where we measured vibration load on some sensitive cargo
2018-05-24T03:33:03 < sync> and shipping was fine
2018-05-24T03:33:20 < Cracki> it's silly to let them lie down so the head has solid contact with an undamped bed
2018-05-24T03:33:22 < sync> but dragging the pallet over the cobblestones at the destination with a palletjack fucked shit up
2018-05-24T03:33:37 < Cracki> hah palletjacks with tiny wheels
2018-05-24T03:33:43 < Laurenceb_> but even assuming that the is excessive blood pressure from vibration/acceleration I cant make the numbers work 
2018-05-24T03:34:01 < Cracki> maybe you should ask for babbies to shake
2018-05-24T03:34:12 < Laurenceb_> I'm convinced its psychological from sound exposure
2018-05-24T03:34:17 < sync> Laurenceb_: how babby are your babbies?
2018-05-24T03:34:18 < Cracki> order a hundred lab rats or so
2018-05-24T03:34:20 < jadew> Laurenceb_, where does the damage occur?
2018-05-24T03:34:24 < jadew> in which part of the brain?
2018-05-24T03:34:27 < Laurenceb_> sudden loud noises during transport 
2018-05-24T03:34:44 < Laurenceb_> jadew: its very specific, one or two blood vessels in the same region burst
2018-05-24T03:34:52 < Laurenceb_> sync: ~25 to 30 weeks
2018-05-24T03:34:52 < jadew> which region tho?
2018-05-24T03:34:57 < sync> yeah but babies usually don't die when somebody honks at them with their car
2018-05-24T03:35:00 < sync> hmm
2018-05-24T03:35:02 < jadew> frontal lobe by any chance?
2018-05-24T03:35:08 < sync> so quite young
2018-05-24T03:35:08 < Laurenceb_> jadew: no
2018-05-24T03:35:46 < Laurenceb_> https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/007301.htm
2018-05-24T03:36:16 < Laurenceb_> sync: sudden lound noises have been shown to cause blood pressure spikes
2018-05-24T03:36:34 < Cracki> says "bleeding into ventricles"
2018-05-24T03:36:38 < Laurenceb_> there are sudden lound noises much more frequently in the ambulance than in the hospital
2018-05-24T03:36:45 < Cracki> so could be a bunch of vessels
2018-05-24T03:36:45 < sync> yes
2018-05-24T03:37:00 < Laurenceb_> and blood pressure spikes have been shown to cause bleeding
2018-05-24T03:37:07 < sync> but wouldn't be this kind of bleeding be more prevalent in regular babbies too?
2018-05-24T03:37:17 < Laurenceb_> Cracki: theres been more detailed studies but I'm too lazy to find them in my notes...
2018-05-24T03:37:21 < Cracki> k
2018-05-24T03:37:21 < sync> because I guess most everybody is exposed to sudden noises
2018-05-24T03:37:24 < Laurenceb_> sync: it is
2018-05-24T03:37:36 < Laurenceb_> its only ~40% more common when the babies are moved
2018-05-24T03:37:43 < Laurenceb_> but thats still many deaths
2018-05-24T03:37:45 < Cracki> I'd guess that however the brain is hooked up with blood vessels that come from the neck, somewhere there is the weak point
2018-05-24T03:38:24 < jadew> good point Cracki, so here's another proposition based on that
2018-05-24T03:38:24 < sync> I guess that is easy to do a study on, have one transfer amberlamps never use the siren and one use the siren?
2018-05-24T03:38:28 < jadew> the baby's position
2018-05-24T03:38:42 < Laurenceb_> sync: heh that would never get ethical approval
2018-05-24T03:38:48 < sync> why?
2018-05-24T03:38:58 < sync> transfers here are most always without sirens
2018-05-24T03:38:59 < jadew> it's possible that if he doesn't stay in the fetal position, some blood vesseles get pressed and that could form more pressure in the brain
2018-05-24T03:39:03 < Laurenceb_> because you arent allowed to do something that might increase risk
2018-05-24T03:39:08 < Cracki> then just record conditions, don't prescribe them
2018-05-24T03:39:08 < Laurenceb_> atm they dont use siren
2018-05-24T03:39:33 < Cracki> baby necks are weak, backs less weak
2018-05-24T03:39:44 < Cracki> it might try to curl up, but the head bends back
2018-05-24T03:40:00 < Laurenceb_> anyway atm I'm stuck making G.U.I. to grab data from usb sensors
2018-05-24T03:40:03 < Laurenceb_> funtimes
2018-05-24T03:40:05 < Cracki> yay
2018-05-24T03:40:09 < Laurenceb_> maybe I will go postal soon
2018-05-24T03:40:11 < sync> well you don't know that it might increase risk so eh
2018-05-24T03:40:20 < jadew> maybe a new sort of bed should be created
2018-05-24T03:40:26 < sync> and I mean, babbies get in amberlamps with sirens all the time
2018-05-24T03:40:29 < jadew> that keeps the baby in a fetal position during transport
2018-05-24T03:40:34 < sync> or get exposed to them
2018-05-24T03:40:41 < Cracki> baby beds, aren't they flat usually? I'd imagine that's the worst you could do
2018-05-24T03:40:48 < Laurenceb_> imo there is a simple way to solve the problem
2018-05-24T03:40:50 < jadew> Cracki, exactly
2018-05-24T03:40:54 < Laurenceb_> Cracki: flat, yeah
2018-05-24T03:41:01 < Laurenceb_> >continuous blood pressure monitoring
2018-05-24T03:41:08 < Laurenceb_> then we know whats actually going on
2018-05-24T03:41:15 < Cracki> doo eet
2018-05-24T03:41:25 < Laurenceb_> but everyone is too obsessed with vibration to do the ethics for that...
2018-05-24T03:41:28 < Laurenceb_> facepalm
2018-05-24T03:41:42 < Cracki> wait, what ethics considerations do you need for continuous BP?
2018-05-24T03:41:49 < jadew> you could measure blood preasure between fetal and laid back when feeding
2018-05-24T03:41:58 < Cracki> ok, the invasive kind... but isn't there a non-invasive method by now?
2018-05-24T03:42:01 < Laurenceb_> it's not normal, so it would be a procedural change
2018-05-24T03:42:01 < jadew> because they take the fetal position when drinking milk from the mother
2018-05-24T03:42:10 < Laurenceb_> Cracki: yeah, sticking catheters in
2018-05-24T03:42:25 < Cracki> well, get parents' consent, alls good?
2018-05-24T03:42:43 < Laurenceb_> then there is a v low volume saline drip to stop blood contaminating the sensor
2018-05-24T03:42:45 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2018-05-24T03:42:46 < Cracki> when they hear it's to reduce child mortality, they should be quick to sign
2018-05-24T03:42:49 < jadew> Laurenceb_, if you make a breakthrough, you'll have to mention us in your nobel prize speech
2018-05-24T03:43:15 < Laurenceb_> of course
2018-05-24T03:43:25 < jadew> so really, I would look into the position issue
2018-05-24T03:43:29 < sync> Laurenceb_: tbh this seems like a huge circle jerk
2018-05-24T03:43:34 < Laurenceb_> ikr
2018-05-24T03:43:45 < Cracki> that's not how babbies are made
2018-05-24T03:43:46 < Laurenceb_> like why do we need a G.U.I.
2018-05-24T03:43:47 < sync> if babbydeath during transfers was such a large problem there would be a solution
2018-05-24T03:43:48 < Cracki> *formed
2018-05-24T03:44:01 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU
2018-05-24T03:44:11 < jadew> sync, seems to be, Laurenceb_ is working on it :)
2018-05-24T03:44:27 < Cracki> >with a certain morbid fascination
2018-05-24T03:44:30 < Cracki> who talks like that wtf
2018-05-24T03:44:55 < Laurenceb_> who said that?
2018-05-24T03:44:59 < Cracki> dude in the video
2018-05-24T03:45:06 < Laurenceb_> oh lol
2018-05-24T03:45:34 < Cracki> screw visual basic
2018-05-24T03:45:43 < Cracki> matlab can do GUIs. I heard about it just a few days ago
2018-05-24T03:45:52 < Cracki> "masked" stuff, in simulink at least
2018-05-24T03:45:52 < Laurenceb_> <- trying to do it with Qt
2018-05-24T03:45:56 < Cracki> good
2018-05-24T03:46:03 < Cracki> c++, python, something else?
2018-05-24T03:46:09 < Laurenceb_> <- has to load sensor configurations from a database...
2018-05-24T03:46:11 < Laurenceb_> c++
2018-05-24T03:46:17 < sync> Laurenceb_: you could just expose babbys you meet on the street to an airhorn and see how often they die
2018-05-24T03:46:23 < Laurenceb_> managers came up with insane list of requirements
2018-05-24T03:46:29 < Laurenceb_> kek sync
2018-05-24T03:46:40 < Laurenceb_> >everything has to be a time series database
2018-05-24T03:46:43 < Cracki> managers require their ass wiped
2018-05-24T03:46:47 < Laurenceb_> >sensor config has to be a database
2018-05-24T03:46:50 < Cracki> lol
2018-05-24T03:46:54 < Laurenceb_> >all databases "on the cloud"
2018-05-24T03:46:57 < Cracki> they don't know what they're saying
2018-05-24T03:47:01 < sync> mongodb!
2018-05-24T03:47:18 < Cracki> guaranteed data loss
2018-05-24T03:47:19 < jadew> Laurenceb_, tell him you know a romanian guy who can do that :P
2018-05-24T03:47:22 < jadew> unless that's your job
2018-05-24T03:47:30 < Laurenceb_> >when you connect an instrumented trolley, it will try to work out which trolley using database queries, then run a self test
2018-05-24T03:47:32 < Laurenceb_> heh
2018-05-24T03:47:43 < Cracki> ugh
2018-05-24T03:47:57 < Cracki> is this research or a full-featured product launch
2018-05-24T03:48:07 < Laurenceb_> research...
2018-05-24T03:48:11 < jadew> which DB are you using?
2018-05-24T03:48:23 < Laurenceb_> I was just going to create virtual devices in alsa then save as wav with audacity...
2018-05-24T03:48:29 < Laurenceb_> jadew: influx
2018-05-24T03:48:52 < Laurenceb_> >each trolley is a virtual device
2018-05-24T03:48:55 < jadew> first time I hear about it
2018-05-24T03:49:03 < Laurenceb_> >appears automatically in drop down menu in top of audacity
2018-05-24T03:49:09 < Laurenceb_> >click record, then save as wav
2018-05-24T03:49:42 < Laurenceb_> but no I have to make gui/database boondoggle
2018-05-24T03:49:49 < sync> lal
2018-05-24T03:49:55 < jadew> Laurenceb_, what is time series data?
2018-05-24T03:50:00 < jadew> just data with a timestamp?
2018-05-24T03:51:47 < jadew> sounds like it, which means it's just a generic DB that's less useful than a normal one?
2018-05-24T03:52:57 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2018-05-24T03:53:14 < Laurenceb_> but faster for loading lots of sequential data
2018-05-24T03:53:18 < Laurenceb_> bbl
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2018-05-24T03:59:48 < Cracki> hm.... get someone to make a "time series database" that's just soundcloud
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2018-05-24T04:01:35 < R0b0t1> jadew: Software requirement for what
2018-05-24T04:01:54 < R0b0t1> jadew: You're leaving out huge variables that are necessary to know if something is cost effective
2018-05-24T04:02:17 < jadew> R0b0t1, which line are you referring to?
2018-05-24T04:02:27 < R0b0t1> jadew: But importantly I already covered this: just don't buy it if it doesn't do what you want
2018-05-24T04:02:35 < R0b0t1> You responded to that by saying "assume you have to buy it"
2018-05-24T04:02:36 < R0b0t1> Okay
2018-05-24T04:02:53 < R0b0t1> If we do the *same thing* for proprietary software, all of the same questions are still valid, except you have close to no hope of making the changes yourself
2018-05-24T04:03:05 < jadew> R0b0t1, I'm not saying you're forced to buy it
2018-05-24T04:03:13 < jadew> but if you do, you're being taken for a ride
2018-05-24T04:03:14 < R0b0t1> Then don't buy it if it doesn't do what you want
2018-05-24T04:03:17 < R0b0t1> No
2018-05-24T04:03:21 < R0b0t1> You didn't buy it, because it doesn't do what you want
2018-05-24T04:03:25 < R0b0t1> This is a fallacious argument
2018-05-24T04:03:31 < R0b0t1> Why would I buy it if it doesn't do what I want
2018-05-24T04:03:46 < jadew> you assume that people only buy stuff fully knowing what they're buying, which is not true
2018-05-24T04:03:53 < jadew> in reality, it's exactly the opposite
2018-05-24T04:03:58 < R0b0t1> If they lied to me about what it does then I'll return it
2018-05-24T04:04:13 < jadew> they didn't lie, it's just that, this is the situation with opensource
2018-05-24T04:04:19 < R0b0t1> In any case, the same arguments apply to proprietary software, but *again* you have close to no hope of doing it yourself
2018-05-24T04:04:31 < jadew> you sort of know it, but you go with it anyway, hoping that some other douche is going to put in the hours
2018-05-24T04:04:32 < R0b0t1> jadew: Okay so we're back to
2018-05-24T04:04:36 < R0b0t1> R0b0t1 | Then don't buy it if it doesn't do what you want
2018-05-24T04:04:46 < jadew> R0b0t1, but I agree with that
2018-05-24T04:04:54 < R0b0t1> jadew | they didn't lie, it's just that, this is the situation with opensource
2018-05-24T04:04:57 < jadew> what I'm saying is that people normally don't look into this
2018-05-24T04:04:59 < R0b0t1> "They lied but they didn't"
2018-05-24T04:05:03 < jadew> because this thing is not obvious to anyone
2018-05-24T04:05:09 < jadew> that's why it's an effective scam
2018-05-24T04:05:23 < R0b0t1> Sure and it works for proprietary stuff also
2018-05-24T04:05:34 < R0b0t1> I have tons of hardware that is useless, expensive junk because I can't modify the software on it
2018-05-24T04:05:46 < jadew> not really, because, as I've said earlier, with properietary stuff you have different expectations
2018-05-24T04:05:57 < R0b0t1> Who are you to tell me what my expectations should be?
2018-05-24T04:05:58 < jadew> and it's not like some douche can start writing the missing software for it
2018-05-24T04:06:04 < jadew> with opensource it's almost a requirement
2018-05-24T04:06:23 < R0b0t1> If someone can't pick up a thing and modify the source, then yes, it's not really open source?
2018-05-24T04:06:32 < R0b0t1> You've doubled back on yourself again
2018-05-24T04:06:38 < jadew> R0b0t1, I'm not telling you what your expectations should be, just that they're different for opensource vs proprietary
2018-05-24T04:06:49 < R0b0t1> All of what you are saying applies to proprietary software, except in the case of proprietary software you have close to no hope of making the changes yourself
2018-05-24T04:06:59 < R0b0t1> jadew: Then you are telling me what my expectations should be
2018-05-24T04:07:07 < R0b0t1> Stop doing that
2018-05-24T04:07:18 < jadew> R0b0t1, I'm not telling you what they should be, I'm telling you what they are
2018-05-24T04:07:21 < jadew> because they're also mine
2018-05-24T04:07:23 < R0b0t1> They're not mine
2018-05-24T04:07:34 < R0b0t1> I know many people who have different expectations
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2018-05-24T04:08:01 < jadew> so you don't expect to have everything you need to use a particular device, when it's proprietary?
2018-05-24T04:08:13 < jadew> or you do when it's opensource?
2018-05-24T04:08:41 < R0b0t1> I expect the product to perform as advertised in either case
2018-05-24T04:08:47 < jadew> which of your expectations are different from mine?
2018-05-24T04:09:12 < Cracki> do either of you think you'll persuade the other one?
2018-05-24T04:09:25 < R0b0t1> I'm not sure Cracki. I don't know if jadew is arguing in good faith
2018-05-24T04:09:31 < R0b0t1> I think people call this trolling?
2018-05-24T04:09:32 < jadew> R0b0t1, I am
2018-05-24T04:09:43 < Cracki> projection
2018-05-24T04:09:55 < jadew> I seriously think opensource is bad
2018-05-24T04:09:55 < R0b0t1> Saying something does not make it true, Cracki 
2018-05-24T04:10:00 < Cracki> qed
2018-05-24T04:10:16 < Cracki> opensource is made by people who can afford to do it
2018-05-24T04:10:22 < jadew> well, not opensource in general, just the current way of how opensource works
2018-05-24T04:10:27 < Cracki> open source is generosity
2018-05-24T04:10:36 < R0b0t1> jadew: You seem to think that planned obsolescence is okay
2018-05-24T04:10:38 < R0b0t1> for one
2018-05-24T04:10:45 < jadew> R0b0t1, I didn't say that
2018-05-24T04:10:48 < Cracki> open hardware isn't open software
2018-05-24T04:10:54 < R0b0t1>  R0b0t1 | I have tons of hardware that is useless, expensive junk because I can't modify the
2018-05-24T04:10:56 < R0b0t1>         | software on it
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2018-05-24T04:11:09 < jadew> R0b0t1, that's not planned obsolence
2018-05-24T04:11:12 < jadew> you can still use it
2018-05-24T04:11:12 < Cracki> so bother the manufacturer for blueprints and specs and stuff
2018-05-24T04:11:18 < jadew> no, don't
2018-05-24T04:11:19 < R0b0t1> What if I can't use it because I can't change the codE?
2018-05-24T04:11:21 < jadew> you can still use it
2018-05-24T04:11:31 < R0b0t1> That is what I am referring to
2018-05-24T04:11:35 < jadew> why change the code? did it broke?
2018-05-24T04:11:37 < R0b0t1> It broke because they softbricked it
2018-05-24T04:11:41 < R0b0t1> For example
2018-05-24T04:11:46 < jadew> that's something you can sue them for
2018-05-24T04:11:49 < R0b0t1> This has happened
2018-05-24T04:11:51 < Cracki> hw can be "closed" and still not obsolete, if the interface was documented. closed source software can use this interface just like someone can develop his own software against the interface.
2018-05-24T04:11:55 < jadew> but if the software is just old, that's your problem
2018-05-24T04:12:06 < R0b0t1> Yeah sure I can sue everyone but did you know it takes weeks, and at least in Kansas you are limited to something like 12 suits per year?
2018-05-24T04:12:12 < jadew> if the sw is fine and still works, it probably did its job by now
2018-05-24T04:12:18 < Cracki> we ain't in kansas anymore
2018-05-24T04:12:26 < R0b0t1> I'm going to be suing MS shortly because their phones are bootlocked
2018-05-24T04:12:53 < jadew> R0b0t1, the point I'm trying to make when saying to sue them is that it's not normal for that to happen
2018-05-24T04:12:55 < R0b0t1> jadew: But see, the bigger issue is they broke it and I won't be able to continue to use it
2018-05-24T04:12:58 < R0b0t1> If we go by copyright
2018-05-24T04:13:00 < jadew> and if it does, there are ways for you to fix it
2018-05-24T04:13:22 < R0b0t1> Then they should have to support the product for 95 years, because that is how long it would take for my adaptation of their code to not be a DMCA infringement
2018-05-24T04:13:32 < jadew> no, they don't
2018-05-24T04:13:46 < jadew> if the product works and they don't intentionally brick it
2018-05-24T04:13:53 < jadew> what more do you want from them?
2018-05-24T04:14:21 < jadew> they gave you a product that worked for the entire warranty period
2018-05-24T04:14:26 < Cracki> you didn't buy hardware you can do anything with. you bought a device that has a limited purpose
2018-05-24T04:14:51 < Cracki> of course it sucks that they DRM and lock everything down
2018-05-24T04:15:01 < Cracki> and it's good that people shit on them for doing that
2018-05-24T04:15:49 < PeterM> R0b0t1 you could always get a multimeter and a hot airgun, desolder everything ,reverse engineer the schematic, with the flash off wipe the flash, write your own bootloader and etc. - I mean, while you're making dumb suggestions i thought i may
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2018-05-24T04:30:40 < R0b0t1> PeterM: That's more in line with what jadew is suggesting
2018-05-24T04:30:58 < R0b0t1> That being the only option is what causes people to prefer open source
2018-05-24T04:31:09 < R0b0t1> Really jadew is not arguing with me, he is arguing with the market
2018-05-24T04:31:11 < R0b0t1> Ok
2018-05-24T04:31:49 < jadew> R0b0t1, I'm not suggesting that
2018-05-24T04:32:15 < jadew> the remark I said about "your only option" was in regard to software, after you bought opensource hardware
2018-05-24T04:32:21 < R0b0t1> Just because something is a logical conclusion of what you are saying doesn't make it any less what you are arguing for
2018-05-24T04:32:44 < jadew> but I'm arguing for the other option: closed source
2018-05-24T04:33:15 < jadew> and I know why people prefer open source
2018-05-24T04:33:20 < jadew> it's because it's free
2018-05-24T04:33:24 < jadew> not because it's the only option
2018-05-24T04:33:49 < jadew> when it comes to hardware, they associate the same benefits with it (free software, etc)
2018-05-24T04:34:01 < jadew> except the driving forces are a bit different for oshw
2018-05-24T04:34:40 < R0b0t1> Open source does not imply free
2018-05-24T04:34:54 < R0b0t1> You seem to have misunderstood what I just said
2018-05-24T04:35:29 < R0b0t1> If you are right, then open source is not effective for the consumer or industry and should not be favored by the consumer or industry
2018-05-24T04:35:30 < R0b0t1> Yet it is
2018-05-24T04:35:44 < jadew> opensource, as agreed upon by the zealotry, is free, you can't sell it and if you do, someone else can undercut you
2018-05-24T04:35:48 < R0b0t1> To the tune of hundreds of millions of devices and trillions of dollars in revenue
2018-05-24T04:35:55 < R0b0t1> No it's not, jadew 
2018-05-24T04:36:15 < R0b0t1> It's at this point you have confirmed you haven't tried to understand why free software exists or why people genuinely prefer it
2018-05-24T04:36:56 < jadew> R0b0t1, the mechanism by which it harms the customer is not visible to him, that's why they prefer it and they're not opposed to it (the users)
2018-05-24T04:37:05 < jadew> it's not because it's not doing harm
2018-05-24T04:37:10 < jadew> but because the harm is not seen
2018-05-24T04:37:28 < R0b0t1> There are plenty of projects whose authors offer consulting services. The products are easy to use and very extensible without those services. In a lot of cases, though, it is just better economic sense to pay for a one-off change that you need than it is to have your internal staff do it for you. But you can do either option, and the original author has to price themselves competitively.
2018-05-24T04:38:11 < R0b0t1> You're making the mistake of focusing on negatives. It is better in a scientific sense to focus on positives as they offer more predictive power
2018-05-24T04:38:24 < R0b0t1> Anything has the potential to not work
2018-05-24T04:38:30 < R0b0t1> Only some things work
2018-05-24T04:38:57 < R0b0t1> This is related to the root words: positive, posit - something is there, you can see it.
2018-05-24T04:39:01 < jadew> the problem with successful projects is different
2018-05-24T04:39:08 < R0b0t1> whoah whoah
2018-05-24T04:39:13 < R0b0t1> How many times are you going to move the goalpost
2018-05-24T04:39:20 < jadew> the problem is that there are a lot of people who aren't getting paid for the work they're doing
2018-05-24T04:39:24 < R0b0t1> You keep asking for exceptions to what you have previously said
2018-05-24T04:39:26 < jadew> you keep mentioning the guy who provides the service
2018-05-24T04:39:27 < R0b0t1> At what point are you wrong
2018-05-24T04:39:31 < jadew> but what about the guys who provide the code?
2018-05-24T04:39:42 < R0b0t1> You keep asking for exceptions to what you have previously said
2018-05-24T04:39:43 < R0b0t1> At what point are you wrong
2018-05-24T04:39:49 < jadew> this is not an exception
2018-05-24T04:40:00 < R0b0t1> jadew | the problem with successful projects is different
2018-05-24T04:40:03 < jadew> it's the same thing, SOMEONE WILL WORK FOR FREE
2018-05-24T04:40:09 < R0b0t1> "That example is not a true scottsman because I don't like it"
2018-05-24T04:40:13 < jadew> regardless if that dude is making money from service
2018-05-24T04:40:20 < jadew> someone is going to work for free, for his project
2018-05-24T04:40:25 < jadew> and he is going to reap the benefits
2018-05-24T04:40:39 < jadew> and my previous point still stands, if he finds a recurring issue, he'll keep it there
2018-05-24T04:40:47 < R0b0t1> So I suppose you are assuming economics is zero sum? Who cares if someone works for free in one specific instance? No one *made* them do it.
2018-05-24T04:40:53 < R0b0t1> They did it because they saw more payoff longer term.
2018-05-24T04:41:19 < R0b0t1> jadew: I've already spoken to that - people avoid broken projects and start their own
2018-05-24T04:41:27 < R0b0t1> Why would I use something that is broken? No point
2018-05-24T04:41:42 < jadew> R0b0t1, doesn't have to be broken
2018-05-24T04:41:50 < R0b0t1> The last time we went in this circle, you made the implicit assumption about a monopoly
2018-05-24T04:41:51 < jadew> it can simply have a thing that's off
2018-05-24T04:42:05 < jadew> not enough to make you throw it away, but enough to have to call customer support
2018-05-24T04:42:28 < jadew> R0b0t1, well, there are monopolies even in opensource, believe it or not
2018-05-24T04:42:54 < R0b0t1> Okay, my point still stands - if the cost is not negligible to the point he is trying to extract revenue out of it, it is likely people will go somewhere else or realize the project author is not doing something mildly unethical
2018-05-24T04:43:12 < jadew> the fact that there are many angles you can take to attack open source doesn't make any of them wrong
2018-05-24T04:43:14 < R0b0t1> Otherwise that same exact thing could exist in a paid product and never be fixed
2018-05-24T04:43:38 < R0b0t1> You haven't yet presented a valid criticism
2018-05-24T04:43:42 < jadew> paid products are different
2018-05-24T04:43:51 < jadew> if your product is shit or difficult in any way
2018-05-24T04:43:55 < R0b0t1> Applying the criticisms you have supplied to proprietary software ends with a worse result
2018-05-24T04:43:57 < jadew> someone eles will want your customers
2018-05-24T04:44:10 < Cracki> jadew, do you think he'll ever agree?
2018-05-24T04:44:22 < R0b0t1> I just explained how authors extract value out of their open source projects jadew 
2018-05-24T04:44:27 < R0b0t1> The same applies to them
2018-05-24T04:44:38 < jadew> Cracki, don't know, maybe we'll both understand something about each other's position
2018-05-24T04:44:40 < R0b0t1> It doesn't require intentional breakage
2018-05-24T04:45:08 < jadew> R0b0t1, but not all the authors, right?
2018-05-24T04:45:09 < R0b0t1> People maintain common codebases because they ultimately extract some kind of value from it
2018-05-24T04:45:15 < R0b0t1> No one is forcing them to write software
2018-05-24T04:45:18 < R0b0t1> They choose to do it
2018-05-24T04:45:19 < Cracki> jadew, he might be wired differently from you.
2018-05-24T04:45:24 < R0b0t1> It is a good idea to ask why
2018-05-24T04:45:42 < R0b0t1> jadew: If writing open source software netted no one any money why would people do it
2018-05-24T04:46:06 < Cracki> if X were bad, why do people do X?
2018-05-24T04:46:10 < R0b0t1> You can't say "because people are susceptible to logical fallacies" because while individuals *are*, in bulk society *is not* (or is at least much more resistant)
2018-05-24T04:46:20 < jadew> R0b0t1, they rarely choose to do it, usually they're tricked into using said software and then they're faced with either completely re-designing their product around a different product or fixing that thing
2018-05-24T04:46:21 < R0b0t1> Even individuals are on average very logical
2018-05-24T04:46:43 < jadew> R0b0t1, but it does bring money
2018-05-24T04:46:47 < Cracki> this is nerdsniping
2018-05-24T04:46:49 < jadew> I'm not saying opensource doesn't bring money
2018-05-24T04:46:51 < R0b0t1> Ok well that sounds fairly preposterous 
2018-05-24T04:46:57 < jadew> I'm just saying it's a scam
2018-05-24T04:47:02 < R0b0t1> I must not be smart enough to understand you jadew 
2018-05-24T04:47:07 < R0b0t1> I apologize for wasting your time
2018-05-24T04:47:14 < R0b0t1> The Lord did not see fit to grace me with intellect
2018-05-24T04:47:35 < jadew> R0b0t1, it's only what I see happening
2018-05-24T04:47:40 < jadew> and what I've seen myself go through
2018-05-24T04:47:53 < jadew> it's not something I'm imagining
2018-05-24T04:47:57 < jadew> it's just the way it is
2018-05-24T04:48:00 < jadew> you get milked
2018-05-24T04:48:35 < jadew> even if you're just a user, you end up wasting a lot of time, because the software is usually garbage, hard to configure or broken
2018-05-24T04:49:10 < Cracki> open source r0b0ts
2018-05-24T04:49:12 < jadew> I've said this in the past too, the only software worth using from the opensource community is serverside stuff
2018-05-24T04:49:22 < jadew> and that's only because companies are behind it
2018-05-24T04:49:30 < jadew> and they're milking eachother and other users
2018-05-24T04:49:36 < Cracki> companies are behind it. you can strike the "serverside"
2018-05-24T04:50:25 < jadew> so I come back to my original point, either way you look at it, it's a scam
2018-05-24T04:50:32 < R0b0t1> Is taxation theft jadew?
2018-05-24T04:50:38 < Cracki> >_>
2018-05-24T04:50:47 < Cracki> that's completely unrelated
2018-05-24T04:50:59 < jadew> I think he's trying to figure out where I stand on the political spectrum
2018-05-24T04:51:10 < Cracki> I think you need to figure out where he stands
2018-05-24T04:51:15 < jadew> R0b0t1, I don't know, it feels like it, but I also think it's necessary
2018-05-24T04:51:23 < jadew> what do you make of that?
2018-05-24T04:51:23 < Cracki> because knowing that decides whether he'll ever get your point
2018-05-24T04:51:50 < jadew> R0b0t1, do you think taxation is theft?
2018-05-24T04:51:52 < Cracki> inb4 open source is taxes
2018-05-24T04:52:09 < Cracki> yay "yes or no" inquisition
2018-05-24T04:53:14 < Cracki> "high trust society" implies that good deeds are reciprocated. that's not how reality works.
2018-05-24T04:53:18 < R0b0t1> I don't think it is fair to compare it to taxes
2018-05-24T04:53:26 < R0b0t1> People choose open source because it is a net positive overall
2018-05-24T04:53:32 < PeterM> open sores is tax, it takes your time and effort and gives you very little in return
2018-05-24T04:53:37 < Cracki> ^
2018-05-24T04:53:38 < R0b0t1> If it was not people would be using proprietary software
2018-05-24T04:53:44 < R0b0t1> Because it would be saving them money
2018-05-24T04:53:57 < jadew> R0b0t1, but they do
2018-05-24T04:54:01 < R0b0t1> That is the easiest way to measure the externalities of either approach: the market
2018-05-24T04:54:06 < R0b0t1> Sure, those things may be costs
2018-05-24T04:54:08 < jadew> most businesses use proprietary software for that exact reason
2018-05-24T04:54:08 < R0b0t1> But they also may be less
2018-05-24T04:54:11 < jadew> it saves them money
2018-05-24T04:54:13 < PeterM> correct me if im wrong but the majority of software used is closed source
2018-05-24T04:54:17 < Cracki> lol
2018-05-24T04:54:21 < Cracki> this "reasoning"
2018-05-24T04:54:32 < R0b0t1> PeterM: Sure, different solutions for different problems
2018-05-24T04:54:34 < Cracki> so if I dump a ton of sugar on an ant hill
2018-05-24T04:54:38 < Cracki> the ants will eat that
2018-05-24T04:54:51 < Cracki> they'll prefer it to having to lug sugar from elsewhere
2018-05-24T04:54:57 < Cracki> but what do I have from this?
2018-05-24T04:55:15 < PeterM> jadew, i feel R0b0t1 could be replaced with a sufficiently complex markov chain
2018-05-24T04:55:21 < Cracki> ^
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2018-05-24T04:55:59 < Cracki> the biggest argument against "open source is better" is the existence of file sharing
2018-05-24T04:56:14 < Cracki> when the commercial option is "free", people go for it
2018-05-24T04:56:40 < Cracki> people are really good at deciding on technical merit
2018-05-24T04:56:47 < Cracki> which is why nobody pirates microsoft IIS
2018-05-24T04:57:01 < jadew> heh, good point, but R0b0t1` will argue that it's the total value you're supposed to put in the ballance
2018-05-24T04:57:18 < jadew> free software may cost you something, but it's less than proprietary software - probably his argument
2018-05-24T04:57:24 < Cracki> total value? above he argued that the work put into open source is irrelevant because users benefit from it?
2018-05-24T04:57:43 < jadew> no, I meant for the end user
2018-05-24T04:57:43 < Cracki> in his utopia, work is free
2018-05-24T04:57:54 < jadew> like how much value it gets from it, vs how much value it puts into it
2018-05-24T04:58:09 < Cracki> >_> it puts the lotion on its skin
2018-05-24T04:58:23 < jadew> but yeah, from the perspective of the people putting the work into it, opensource is awful
2018-05-24T04:58:27 < R0b0t1> No jadew, not total value
2018-05-24T04:58:39 < PeterM> i know a few places in 1930s/40s germany that likes that slogan, or atleast something similar to "work is free"
2018-05-24T04:58:39 < R0b0t1> You use the total value to see if individuals will undertake transactions or not
2018-05-24T04:58:57 < Cracki> I did some "open source" of some hobby projects. I stopped sharing that stuff when the people using it were total dicks to me.
2018-05-24T04:59:33 < jadew> Cracki, yeah, I opensourced a couple of stuff too, stuff I didn't care about and some of it had a similar reception
2018-05-24T04:59:38 < Cracki> now I'm actively thinking of turning my ideas into (web)services, where you get the use of it, but not the source, or even the binary
2018-05-24T05:00:00 < Cracki> because, really, people can't be trusted to be grateful for free stuff
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2018-05-24T05:00:37 < Cracki> also they don't care about open source. the people I "gave" my stuff to, I showed them the source, explained everything, and still they don't bother to contribute
2018-05-24T05:01:10 < R0b0t1> What, so you potentially made something mediocre and expect the public to lavish praise upon you?
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2018-05-24T05:01:14 < Streaker> open source is one coder : 1000,000 parasites
2018-05-24T05:01:18 < Cracki> lawl
2018-05-24T05:01:21 < Cracki> indeed it is
2018-05-24T05:01:29 < jadew> on one of the projects I opensourced they just got the best part out of the program and made their own stuff
2018-05-24T05:01:31  * R0b0t1 sighs
2018-05-24T05:01:36 < jadew> which never got too far
2018-05-24T05:01:36 < R0b0t1> I will keep praying to the Lord
2018-05-24T05:01:43 < jadew> so I got no value out of opensourcing that thing
2018-05-24T05:01:55 < R0b0t1`> Did you... try to extract value out of it?
2018-05-24T05:02:01 < R0b0t1`> Or did you expect money to fall into your lap?
2018-05-24T05:02:16 < jadew> R0b0t1`, I expected them to contribute to my project
2018-05-24T05:02:25 < jadew> so I can have a better program as a result
2018-05-24T05:02:34 < Cracki> the value I was hoping to get out of it is exposure for job opportunities, but they don't really care about that stuff in my segment (automotive, computer vision, etc...)
2018-05-24T05:02:40 < R0b0t1> jadew: But why
2018-05-24T05:02:50 < jadew> R0b0t1, stupid expectantions, never again
2018-05-24T05:02:54 < R0b0t1> You just railed against open source due to some perceived expectation that people write code for free
2018-05-24T05:03:03 < Cracki> nobody ever contributes. that's a given. I don't expect that. nobody should.
2018-05-24T05:03:05 < R0b0t1> Except you held that exact same expectation (which is absurd) for no reason
2018-05-24T05:03:06 < jadew> R0b0t1, yeah, I was growing up
2018-05-24T05:03:06 < Cracki> at most you get bug reports
2018-05-24T05:03:34 < R0b0t1> Well, you're being inconsistent, even now
2018-05-24T05:03:41 < jadew> R0b0t1, I also contributed to opensource projects, which is why I know people write code for free
2018-05-24T05:03:48 < Cracki> but if your stuff is doing nontrivial things, stuff you *could* sell, you *should* sell it
2018-05-24T05:04:00 < jadew> Cracki, I totally agree
2018-05-24T05:04:11 < jadew> I think you should never give anything for free
2018-05-24T05:04:13 < jadew> NOTHING
2018-05-24T05:04:21 < Cracki> you're giving away your life. socialism made you do it.
2018-05-24T05:04:41 < jadew> if you ever do it for free, make sure there's a business model behind it
2018-05-24T05:04:45 < jadew> if not, it's not worth your time
2018-05-24T05:04:54 < Cracki> you know why socialists are so afraid of walls? historically, they stood their dissidents against walls and they're afraid the same is gonna happen to them now
2018-05-24T05:04:59 < jadew> if you make something you don't plan to use but it's helping you a lot, keep that edge for yourself
2018-05-24T05:05:12 < Cracki> if it's free, you're the product.
2018-05-24T05:05:13 < Cracki> ;)
2018-05-24T05:05:19 < jadew> hah, good quote
2018-05-24T05:05:36 < Cracki> who gets a free lunch? cattle.
2018-05-24T05:05:46 < jadew> *something you don't plan to sell
2018-05-24T05:07:13 < Cracki> the biggest lol is this one dude asked me "how much work" it would be to keep improving the ancient code I released mid 2016 and which they still use.
2018-05-24T05:07:24 < Cracki> he's asking how cheap he can get work out of me.
2018-05-24T05:07:51 < jadew> yeah, there's also that
2018-05-24T05:07:59 < Cracki> the whole point of business is to NOT sell your product at production cost + 15%
2018-05-24T05:08:12 < jadew> if you make something for yourself, as long as you don't find any issues with it, you don't have to work on it anymore
2018-05-24T05:08:13 < Cracki> but at however much the market is willing to pay
2018-05-24T05:08:17 < Cracki> right
2018-05-24T05:08:25 < jadew> if you give it away for free, you'll have to tend to all sorts of needs
2018-05-24T05:08:28 < Cracki> but I do work on it, for myself, because it makes my life easier
2018-05-24T05:08:34 < Cracki> I just don't give it away to these people anymore
2018-05-24T05:09:27 < Cracki> I would be happy to give it to "my people" (we are doing lecture video stuff noncommercially at university), but there are ones who are absolute ingrates
2018-05-24T05:10:51 < Cracki> eek it's 4 am
2018-05-24T05:10:54 < jadew> R0b0t1, so here are the issues with opensource:
2018-05-24T05:11:05 < jadew> 1) As a programmer - why do it?
2018-05-24T05:11:20 < jadew> 2) As a user - the software is a waste of time.
2018-05-24T05:11:39 < jadew> 3) As a customer - I'm buying into trouble.
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2018-05-24T05:12:29 < jadew> and these are all symptoms of the fact that the programmer is not part of the food chain
2018-05-24T05:12:48 < jadew> that's the essential issue with opensource
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2018-05-24T05:13:30 < jadew> which is something I realized durring our discussions, and that's why I like having these arguments
2018-05-24T05:14:32 < jadew> opensource basically means the programmer has the same benefits as a regular user
2018-05-24T05:14:41 < jadew> which is total horse shit
2018-05-24T05:17:51 < R0b0t1`> jadew: I mean... you're asserting those things with very poor evidence
2018-05-24T05:17:57 < R0b0t1`> The only one that is a question is #1
2018-05-24T05:18:06 < R0b0t1`> For #2 and #3 I reject the premise
2018-05-24T05:18:34 < jadew> R0b0t1`, you can reject it all you want, but I've been using opensource software all my life, it's garbage
2018-05-24T05:19:13 < R0b0t1`> jadew, you can assert that your premise is valid all you want, but I've been using opensource software all my life, it's not garbage
2018-05-24T05:19:28 < R0b0t1`> As the person offering the positive statement it's up to you to justify it
2018-05-24T05:19:35 < jadew> R0b0t1`, you probably haven't used it in parallel with closed source
2018-05-24T05:19:40 < R0b0t1`> No, I have
2018-05-24T05:19:52 < jadew> ok, let me justify it
2018-05-24T05:19:54 < R0b0t1`> Jobs that take weeks where I work now take days
2018-05-24T05:20:01 < jadew> whenever I install linux, it fucks up my PC
2018-05-24T05:20:07 < aandrew> lol
2018-05-24T05:20:10 < R0b0t1`> They still don't let me generally use open source - they can't replace me if I quit is the argument
2018-05-24T05:20:12 < aandrew> how exactly does installing linux fuck up your PC?
2018-05-24T05:20:25 < jadew> aandrew, god... in so many ways
2018-05-24T05:20:30 < aandrew> jadew: example?
2018-05-24T05:20:40 < jadew> broken mbr
2018-05-24T05:20:42 < R0b0t1`> Just because you don't know how to use it doesn't mean it's unusable
2018-05-24T05:20:44 < jadew> bad fstab
2018-05-24T05:20:47 < jadew> so it wasn't mounting anything
2018-05-24T05:20:59 < aandrew> none of those are breaking your PC. don't be hyperbolic
2018-05-24T05:21:03 < jadew> because they made the switch to udev and didn't update everything
2018-05-24T05:21:12 < aandrew> now mind you dual booting is a bit of a pig's ear no matter what
2018-05-24T05:21:20 < jadew> broken soft raid that when mounting a raid hdd it fucks up the data
2018-05-24T05:21:31 < aandrew> jadew: you are doing something hideously wrong
2018-05-24T05:21:34 < jadew> bad video drivers which basically brick it
2018-05-24T05:21:49 < aandrew> I've carried over the same linux md drive set across multiple installs using completely different hardware each time
2018-05-24T05:22:06 < aandrew> plug it in, mdadm --assemble --scan and 9 times out of 10 it finds it and brings it up
2018-05-24T05:22:15 < jadew> aandrew, thing is, I don't have a regular system, never did
2018-05-24T05:22:29 < aandrew> jadew: so you've got screwy hardware and blame linux for your choices?
2018-05-24T05:22:30 < jadew> always had lots of disks in various configurations, 2 video cards, multiple monitors
2018-05-24T05:22:40 < jadew> aandrew, works fine on windows
2018-05-24T05:22:58 < jadew> which is exactly the point I'm trying to make, closed source works great compared to opensource
2018-05-24T05:23:07 < aandrew> video is a bitch on linux for odd combinations but any of hte ubuntus I've tried have usually done the right thing
2018-05-24T05:23:29 < aandrew> video with one card and multiple monitors generally has been a fixed issue for over a decade
2018-05-24T05:23:34 < jadew> man... I've had so many issues with the video config
2018-05-24T05:23:55 < aandrew> but if you've got an external monitor on a laptop or tryign to get it to do the right thing where your setup is dynamic... shoot me now
2018-05-24T05:24:08 < jadew> there were years where every couple of months the config would stop working
2018-05-24T05:24:15 < aandrew> but booting and drives have *never* been an issue for me onlinux. not in the last 25 years, literally
2018-05-24T05:24:17 < jadew> and had to come up with different xorg.conf settings
2018-05-24T05:24:35 < aandrew> in fact that's one of the things I've always loved about linux. you can completely change the underlying hardware and shit just works
2018-05-24T05:24:37 < jadew> aandrew, I had plenty of issues in that area too
2018-05-24T05:24:49 < jadew> in one case it was recognizing the disks in different orders each time
2018-05-24T05:24:49 < aandrew> it might not work OPTIMALLY but it never fails to come up and let me in
2018-05-24T05:24:52 < jadew> *order
2018-05-24T05:25:06 < aandrew> jadew: yes, that's happened, but blkid solves that and has been around for a decade I think
2018-05-24T05:25:07 < jadew> so it had to be rebooted several times until it recognized them in the right order for it to boot
2018-05-24T05:25:49 < jadew> that's only regarding linux as a base system
2018-05-24T05:25:56 < jadew> if I get to the apps...
2018-05-24T05:26:07 < jadew> have you seen gimp?
2018-05-24T05:26:28 < jadew> and that's a good example
2018-05-24T05:27:07 < jadew> there's also the various configurations that you have to fish off of the internet just to find out that they're not longer valid, because the property names have changed
2018-05-24T05:27:19 < aandrew> gimp has been a piece of shit from day one
2018-05-24T05:27:34 < aandrew> but yes... openoffice is shit as well
2018-05-24T05:28:07 < jadew> R0b0t1, does that answer #2 and #3?
2018-05-24T05:28:16 < jadew> cuz I can keep going
2018-05-24T05:29:59 < jadew> and you know what? there used to be free software before the opensource movement became the monster it is today too
2018-05-24T05:30:42 < jadew> and for some reason, it felt higher quality, but I haven't figured out why that was
2018-05-24T05:31:53 < jadew> I remember even school type projects were really amazing back when I was in school
2018-05-24T05:32:10 < aandrew> that's easy
2018-05-24T05:32:18 < aandrew> back in the day writing software wasn't cool
2018-05-24T05:32:27 < aandrew> so the only people who really did it were into it 
2018-05-24T05:32:32 < aandrew> it scratched an itch
2018-05-24T05:32:45 < jadew> that's plausible, yeah
2018-05-24T05:32:45 < aandrew> that still exists today but there's also a flood of people who are in it to be cool
2018-05-24T05:33:17 < PeterM> or because it looks good on theur cv
2018-05-24T05:33:37 < aandrew> well
2018-05-24T05:33:42 < aandrew> cvs are full of lies, so yeah
2018-05-24T05:33:55 < aandrew> "wrote some shit software and gave it away" doesn't have the same ring to it
2018-05-24T05:41:43 < Streaker> downloaded some software source code, ran sed on it and uploaded it with my own name."
2018-05-24T05:42:23 < jadew> heh, I saw someone crying about that on a forum once
2018-05-24T05:42:38 < jadew> apparently someone cloned his (big) project
2018-05-24T05:42:58 < jadew> removed his name, added a few little things and had more success than the original
2018-05-24T05:43:23 < Streaker> that's the only way to make money on the app store
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2018-05-24T05:43:49 < Streaker> writing good code is not enough. You'll never get the visibility.
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2018-05-24T05:44:28 < Streaker> download ten good apps. modify them and put them back on the store as your own apps. that's the only way to succeed.
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2018-05-24T05:47:13 < R0b0t1> jadew: GIMP is actually pretty good and has an interface not too dissimilar to PhotoShop
2018-05-24T05:47:24 < R0b0t1> And no, not really
2018-05-24T05:47:35 < R0b0t1> You're coming into something different and expecting it to be a drop in replacement
2018-05-24T05:47:45 < R0b0t1> For a number of reasons that is not possible nor is it entirely desireable
2018-05-24T05:48:33 < jadew> R0b0t1, I'm not expecting a drop in replacement, nor the same experience, but I know bugs and bad design
2018-05-24T05:48:53 < R0b0t1> And you're qualifying that how? Because you didn't bother to try to figure out how it works?
2018-05-24T05:49:09 < R0b0t1> "It's broke and I can't fix it because I won't even try. Must be someone else's fault."
2018-05-24T05:49:17 < jadew> you do realize I didn't talk about my one time when I tried linux, right?
2018-05-24T05:49:25 < jadew> I've been using linux for almost 2 decades now
2018-05-24T05:49:28 < aandrew> https://youtu.be/6LnvSnpFBKE
2018-05-24T05:49:31 < aandrew> half the people here
2018-05-24T05:49:35 < jadew> I know it sucks because I have first hand experience with it
2018-05-24T05:49:49 < R0b0t1> jadew: But you can't act like those problems don't exist on Windows
2018-05-24T05:50:03 < jadew> R0b0t1, I don't have to act as they don't, they just don't
2018-05-24T05:50:04 < R0b0t1> only very recently did lots of misconfiguration for multimonitor setups get worked around
2018-05-24T05:50:14 < R0b0t1> Whereas in Linux it was added years and years ago
2018-05-24T05:50:16 < jadew> multi monitors worked on windows 95
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2018-05-24T05:50:26 < jadew> it never worked right on linux
2018-05-24T05:50:29 < jadew> not even now
2018-05-24T05:51:20 < jadew> I don't even get all the supported resolutions recognized
2018-05-24T05:51:23 < jadew> never did
2018-05-24T05:51:39 < jadew> I have to generate the modeline by hand
2018-05-24T05:52:00 < jadew> well, with a command line tool, but you get the point
2018-05-24T05:52:19 < jadew> I never had this issue on windows
2018-05-24T05:53:10 < jadew> do you know what I do after I install windows? I start installing the software I need
2018-05-24T05:53:16 < jadew> after I install linux, I start to fix it
2018-05-24T05:53:56 < jadew> aandrew, Laurenceb linked that earlier
2018-05-24T05:54:28 < aandrew> bah, ok
2018-05-24T05:54:30 < jadew> seems to be a common occurence in here too
2018-05-24T05:57:41 < jadew> also, wth is this thing with "rent-free for 8 years"?
2018-05-24T05:57:54 < jadew> is it normal in the US for a kid to pay rent in their parent's house?
2018-05-24T05:58:05 < aandrew> jadew: he's not a kid
2018-05-24T05:58:14 < jadew> regardless of age
2018-05-24T05:58:17 < aandrew> I would certainly ask my adult kids for rent if they were staying with me
2018-05-24T05:58:24 < jadew> really?
2018-05-24T05:58:32 < aandrew> yes. not market rate of course
2018-05-24T05:58:35 < aandrew> but no, not a free ride
2018-05-24T05:58:46 < aandrew> I think a couple hundred a month would be more than reasonable
2018-05-24T05:58:53 < jadew> interesting
2018-05-24T05:59:43 < jadew> I assumed that in such a situation if the kid had the money, they'd help with the bills themselves
2018-05-24T05:59:50 < jadew> what happens if they don't have the money?
2018-05-24T05:59:52 < aandrew> that is the bad assumption
2018-05-24T06:00:20 < aandrew> I owuldn't be asking for heat/electricity/internet/etc. 
2018-05-24T06:00:20 < jadew> also, would you ask them for rent even if you didn't need the money?
2018-05-24T06:00:38 < aandrew> because it encourages them to get the fuck out and work and maybe be just a bit of pain to encourage them to move out 
2018-05-24T06:00:43 < aandrew> but you hit the nail on the head
2018-05-24T06:00:45 < jadew> yeah, I get that
2018-05-24T06:00:49 < aandrew> < jadew> what happens if they don't have the money
2018-05-24T06:01:01 < aandrew> that is why you just don't fucking let the kid live at home
2018-05-24T06:01:34 < aandrew> the kid acts like an adult until it comes time to be an adult and pay bills... then it's excuses out the ass
2018-05-24T06:01:46 < jadew> lol
2018-05-24T06:02:02 < aandrew> I'm an adult, I demand freedom and autonomy and oh by the way can I have $20
2018-05-24T06:03:45 < jadew> aandrew, do all teenagers rebel?
2018-05-24T06:05:01 < aandrew> I think it's exceptionally rare that they don't. it's an important part of mental development and maturity
2018-05-24T06:05:58 < jadew> it is, isn't it? I think it's necessary for them to take a stand against their parents in order to be able to be trully independent
2018-05-24T06:05:59 < aandrew> I've got 6 kids and three are teens or older. I've also got another "daughter" (not by blood or adoption, just a close friend of the family) who is 22 - all had rebellious stages 
2018-05-24T06:06:04 < aandrew> yep
2018-05-24T06:06:16 < aandrew> it's also why lying is an important developmental step
2018-05-24T06:06:43 < aandrew> sorry 4 are teens or older. youngest two are 9 and 5
2018-05-24T06:07:06 < aandrew> 22, 18, 15, 14, 9 and 5
2018-05-24T06:07:10 < jadew> you've been seriously productive
2018-05-24T06:07:17 < aandrew> not all are biologically mine
2018-05-24T06:07:28 < aandrew> four of those are biologically mine, four are biologically my wife's
2018-05-24T06:08:36 < jadew> I hope my son won't have my character
2018-05-24T06:08:57 < jadew> I hear I'm extremely irritating when having arguments
2018-05-24T06:09:14 < aandrew> lol
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2018-05-24T06:49:04 < englishman> 1000 chat lines of open source bloggery
2018-05-24T06:49:07 < englishman> 0 innovation
2018-05-24T06:56:24 < PeterM> i love how the chat ablut opensource bloggery ends with a manchild who lives at his parents place being kickes out
2018-05-24T06:57:19 < englishman> hi pee term
2018-05-24T06:57:27 < englishman> had dinner with some folks from melby
2018-05-24T06:57:46 < englishman> they were glad to leave their winter behind and come to some lush green landscapes
2018-05-24T06:57:51 < PeterM> melbin ey?
2018-05-24T06:58:06 < englishman> slapped it m8
2018-05-24T06:58:25 < PeterM> its fuckin miserable weather thrre, cold and rainy
2018-05-24T06:59:17 < englishman> thats poor weather for a rugby fight
2018-05-24T06:59:36 < PeterM> i though optimal but each to their own
2018-05-24T07:06:32 < branjb> englishman https://imgur.com/a/Axy5ekU
2018-05-24T07:06:45 < englishman> ha nice
2018-05-24T07:06:50 < englishman> did you get a vortex?
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2018-05-24T07:07:00 < branjb> i made a ghetto one
2018-05-24T07:07:11 < englishman> pic?
2018-05-24T07:07:15 < englishman> it was like $15 or something?
2018-05-24T07:07:19 < branjb> using harbor freight dust collector and home depot buckets
2018-05-24T07:07:20 < englishman> how can get you get more geto
2018-05-24T07:07:49 < englishman> https://www.amazon.com/Oneida-Molded-Dust-Deputy-Cyclone/dp/B002JP315K
2018-05-24T07:07:51 < englishman> oh ok $50
2018-05-24T07:07:54 < branjb> i'll post one tomorrow don't have any atm
2018-05-24T07:07:56 < englishman> you can afford it tho
2018-05-24T07:07:57 < branjb> lol
2018-05-24T07:08:04 < branjb> i can't
2018-05-24T07:08:08 < branjb> i need to start selling some shit
2018-05-24T07:08:09 < englishman> pff
2018-05-24T07:09:03 < englishman> if r2com is raking in the dough as he claims you should be too
2018-05-24T07:09:30 < branjb> i rake in dough it just gets raked back out at the end of the month
2018-05-24T07:10:27 < branjb> i kept my house in CA and renting it out, that shit is has made me about negative $10k in six months
2018-05-24T07:10:35 < englishman> nice
2018-05-24T07:10:37 < englishman> the american dream
2018-05-24T07:10:39 < branjb> lol
2018-05-24T07:11:15 < branjb> hoping sacramento housing market balloons like SF
2018-05-24T07:11:21 < branjb> sell a shithole for $1M
2018-05-24T07:11:24 < branjb> that's the american dream
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2018-05-24T07:37:27 < englishman> ah yes, the money for nothing approach
2018-05-24T07:46:38 < branjb> i lived there for 7 years, no real issues.. rent it out and in 5 months the fence has fallen over and needed to be replaced and the AC unit broke
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2018-05-24T08:26:14 < dongs> hi dongs
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2018-05-24T08:39:19 < PeterM> fuckin what jsut happened in #oshpark
2018-05-24T08:40:04 < PeterM> [14:58] <grandfsoug> ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A HELP CHANNEL WHERE THE HELP DON'T KNOW SHIT BUT INSTEAD OF SAYING THEY DON'T SHIT THEY WILL SPEND 10 MINS JERKING YOUR CHAIN?? LOOK NO FURTHER THAN #UBUNTU A CHANNEL FULL OF DUMB NIGGERS THAT DON'T KNOW SHIT!!
2018-05-24T08:41:10 < PeterM> whats donging donie?
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2018-05-24T08:52:19 < dongs> haha
2018-05-24T08:52:30 < dongs> i mean hes not wrong
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2018-05-24T08:59:04 < PeterM> i know right
2018-05-24T08:59:18 < dongs> thanks, altidumb.
2018-05-24T08:59:32 < dongs> now pressing tab when pp'ing a pad in library editor doesn't go to pad NUMBER
2018-05-24T08:59:45 < dongs> but need to press tab like 6 times to get to the pad# so youcan change it
2018-05-24T09:00:07 < PeterM> nice, productive changes!
2018-05-24T09:00:42 < PeterM> much been happening dongs or just blogging along?
2018-05-24T09:01:15 < PeterM> managing to stop the spawn from injuring/maiming themselves?
2018-05-24T09:01:41 < dongs> just blogging along. busy with useless dickstarter shit, flying to taiwan every other fuckign week
2018-05-24T09:01:59 < dongs> dickheads managed to burn through like 4 mil already, and still don't have a workable product
2018-05-24T09:02:23 < dongs> investors are understandably upset
2018-05-24T09:02:58 < PeterM> fuckin wot
2018-05-24T09:03:39 < PeterM> ahhwell, provided you still get paid doesnt really matter ey
2018-05-24T09:03:50 < dongs> paid + free tix, i dont mind at all
2018-05-24T09:04:16 < dongs> just the endless jerking
2018-05-24T09:04:23 < dongs> and no fucking goal of what the fuck they're trying to do
2018-05-24T09:06:01 < Hamilton> dongs, https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/8lgnk2/poor_mans_crypto_miner/
2018-05-24T09:06:20 < dongs> lmao, top comment is spot on
2018-05-24T09:06:32 < Hamilton> dongs, thought you like it
2018-05-24T09:06:46 < PeterM> yeah, it'd be great if you could jsut do your own thing until they need you so you dont neck yourself from bordem etc
2018-05-24T09:08:14 < dongs> ya thats the plan
2018-05-24T09:15:09 < dongs> Hamilton: i got an idea for you. Build a Solar Powered bitcoin mining system instead of exporting power to the grid..ï»
2018-05-24T09:16:08 < dongs> https://apnews.com/274272ee1ffd4314ac60fb242fb864ec RIP upgrdman
2018-05-24T09:17:36 < Hamilton> dongs, who the hell checks "associated press" . *dongs style replies*
2018-05-24T09:19:53 < PeterM> dongs even better, jsut sell solar power to the grid, bypass the middle man!
2018-05-24T09:22:50 < dongs> lol
2018-05-24T09:22:55 < dongs> but shitcoin
2018-05-24T09:49:19 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/5mpvgIV.png this gonna be fun
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2018-05-24T09:50:48 < PeterM> I imagine that is what schematics look like for NDA'd SOCs and shit
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2018-05-24T10:01:38 < jadew> dongs, interesting article
2018-05-24T10:02:06 < jadew> if it's a weapon, was it effective?
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2018-05-24T10:02:32 < jadew> was the goal a migrene?
2018-05-24T10:02:57 < jadew> *migrane
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2018-05-24T10:41:34 < day> ive got a general  understanding question. if i compile a program, the compiler knows where which instruction is going to be stored so jumping from one instruction to the next is easily calculateable.
2018-05-24T10:41:55 < jadew> what's the question?
2018-05-24T10:42:12 < day> but what if i compile a program that is stored on an external memory and loaded during runtime into the microcontroller. the compiler doesnt know the memory addresses so theres no absolute reference
2018-05-24T10:42:41 < jadew> the jumps are relative
2018-05-24T10:43:02 < jadew> or they're in relation to a base memory address
2018-05-24T10:43:15 < jadew> (memory accesses are)
2018-05-24T10:43:52 < jadew> the instructions are jump x bytes forward or x bytes backwards
2018-05-24T10:44:20 < day> i see.
2018-05-24T10:46:16 < day> and the reason external code cant be run on atmegas is because the instructions have to be in a specific address range?
2018-05-24T10:46:52 < day> whereas the ARM's do not have such a limitation?
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2018-05-24T10:47:09 < jadew> it's possible that memory access is the issue there, rather than the jumps
2018-05-24T10:47:42 < jadew> jumps may be a problem too, if they're absolute (they could be in that case, not sure)
2018-05-24T10:48:00 < jadew> for example, if you have a constant, is going to be placed at x position in the flash
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2018-05-24T10:49:03 < jadew> compiling for running from the flash is different than running from the RAM
2018-05-24T10:49:15 < stvn> My schematics under NDA were like copy and we sue, in German of course
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2018-05-24T10:50:48 < jadew> day, in one case all addresses are assumed to be known, in the other that assumption doesn't hold, so memory access is done relative to a base pointer
2018-05-24T10:51:57 < dongs> day: its called read only position independent code vs whatever
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2018-05-24T10:56:31 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/UzfMI6V.png
2018-05-24T11:00:32 < stvn> Good cat
2018-05-24T11:07:13 < jadew> https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/homophobic-official-kenya-says-male-11468664
2018-05-24T11:08:10 < stvn> Yea
2018-05-24T11:10:29 < zyp> day, atmegas have multiple memory spaces, the I-bus is connected directly to flash and the D-bus is connected directly to ram
2018-05-24T11:10:55 < zyp> instruction fetches always happen over the I-bus, so an atmega can't fetch instructions from anywhere else than flash
2018-05-24T11:11:57 < zyp> in a typical cortex-m, both the I-bus and the D-bus is connected to a memory crossbar, allowing both to access all memory areas
2018-05-24T11:14:05 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/gs61tQx.gifv
2018-05-24T11:14:43 < zyp> when reading data, the cortex-m doesn't distinguish at all where the data is coming from, it just issues a read on the D bus, letting the crossbar distinguish by address whether the data is coming from ram or flash
2018-05-24T11:14:51 < Steffanx> Best avr thing is the PROG_MEM  stuff
2018-05-24T11:14:58 < Steffanx> Because const isnt enough
2018-05-24T11:15:12 < antto> PROGMEM
2018-05-24T11:15:23 < zyp> on an avr, the software have to distinguish internally, you need special instructions to read data from flash, because those reads have to happen over the I-bus
2018-05-24T11:15:48 < zyp> which means the compiler has to distinguish between flash addrs and ram addrs
2018-05-24T11:15:50 < jadew> ah, you're right Steffanx, forgot about that
2018-05-24T11:16:01 < zyp> and this happens by declaring flash addrs PROGMEM
2018-05-24T11:16:16 < antto> iz akchually a gcc __attribute__
2018-05-24T11:16:52 < jadew> I think it's actually a gcc shortcoming
2018-05-24T11:17:01 < antto> possibly
2018-05-24T11:17:14 < jadew> makes no sense that you have to deal with that yourself
2018-05-24T11:17:31 < zyp> wat
2018-05-24T11:18:01 < jadew> zyp, with the fact that instead of being able to just use that data you are being handled a pointer to the flash and a couple of functions
2018-05-24T11:18:55 < jadew> all the access code could be generated by the compiler
2018-05-24T11:19:19 < zyp> true, at least for reads
2018-05-24T11:19:29 < jadew> well, you can't write to it
2018-05-24T11:19:29 < antto> u can't write it
2018-05-24T11:19:39 < antto> iz iz const
2018-05-24T11:19:58 < zyp> sure, but it's flash
2018-05-24T11:20:12 < zyp> just erase the page and write it
2018-05-24T11:20:13 < antto> don't be naughty
2018-05-24T11:26:21 < stvn> A Chinese blowout
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2018-05-24T11:45:16 < invzim> yay, sdio+fatfs+cubemx werks with no hacks - just a couple of functions that need to be defined
2018-05-24T11:46:43 < invzim> thanks to this guy, https://community.st.com/thread/46310-solution-to-fix-stm32f4xxx-stmcubemx-firmware-v118-sdio-fatfs-dma-not-working-issue#comment-179979
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2018-05-24T11:51:41 < antto> innovation accomplished. mission completed
2018-05-24T12:01:00 < dongs> okay fuckign great.
2018-05-24T12:01:16 < dongs> wehre teh fuck is "hide and connect to net" in newfag altidumb schlib editor
2018-05-24T12:04:19 < invzim> gotta love it when stuff works out of the box, https://github.com/afiskon/stm32-ssd1306
2018-05-24T12:05:01 < dongs> > library
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2018-05-24T12:07:59 < invzim> what do you want to do - tie a schematic library pin to a net and hide it?
2018-05-24T12:08:07 < dongs> dude, sme shit ive always done
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2018-05-24T12:08:20 < dongs> i ahve pin 0 on sockets and shit for the 'mounting' pads
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2018-05-24T12:08:30 < dongs> so i just check [x] hide and connect to [ GND ]
2018-05-24T12:08:42 < dongs> makes symbol look less retarded, resolves properly w/footprint
2018-05-24T12:08:55 < dongs> https://www.altium.com/documentation/sites/default/files/resize/wiki_attachments/295670/Pin%20Properties_AD16-500x544.png
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2018-05-24T12:08:58 < dongs> this was the old fucking dialog
2018-05-24T12:10:05 < stvn> Yeah I need chemo
2018-05-24T12:11:26 < invzim> dongs: still looks like that for me, using altium18?
2018-05-24T12:11:42 < dongs> like "whaT". that dialog is completely fucking gone and replaced with sidebar shit
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2018-05-24T12:16:39 < stvn> Next windows 10 update will move the taskbar to the back of your monitor
2018-05-24T12:16:52 < antto> >:)
2018-05-24T12:17:52 < stvn> 🦆🦆🦆
2018-05-24T12:18:50 < dongs> yeah theres no fucking way
2018-05-24T12:18:57 < dongs> what the fuck
2018-05-24T12:19:05 < PeterM> time to downgrade?
2018-05-24T12:19:15 < antto> --altium;
2018-05-24T12:19:28 < dongs> the old objects that i have are showing correctly in the library.
2018-05-24T12:19:40 < dongs> pin is hidden, but there's no UI to select the net its hidden to anymore.
2018-05-24T12:20:35 < antto> u remind me of kakiguy and his neverending adventures with doing weird things in kicad
2018-05-24T12:20:55 < dongs> this isnt weird thing
2018-05-24T12:21:27 < antto> i can't tell, i'm not familiar with altium
2018-05-24T12:21:48 < PeterM> apt-get remove --purge antto
2018-05-24T12:22:03 < stvn> LINUCKS
2018-05-24T12:22:14 < antto> i suspect this is a negative thing
2018-05-24T12:22:32 < antto> it has an odd number of minuses
2018-05-24T12:23:05 < antto> that's why i use synaptic, no minuses there
2018-05-24T12:23:59 < antto> https://i.imgur.com/iNarA9u.png ;P~
2018-05-24T12:24:12 < dongs> haha kikecad
2018-05-24T12:24:33 < PeterM> the fuck are with those fonts
2018-05-24T12:24:42 < dongs> lunix was never good with fonts
2018-05-24T12:25:02 < antto> what's wrong with them?
2018-05-24T12:25:10 < dongs> they look like fucking garbage
2018-05-24T12:25:17 < dongs> shitty kerning shitty spacing etc
2018-05-24T12:25:22 < dongs> shitty antialiasing
2018-05-24T12:25:28 < PeterM> it looks like a 12 year old kid opened pain and wanted to draw a screenshot of windows but had to do it from memory
2018-05-24T12:25:29 < dongs> pretty much everything you can have shitty in a font, youve gotr it there
2018-05-24T12:25:33 < PeterM> paint
2018-05-24T12:25:35 < antto> i've turned off hinting, cuz i don't like it
2018-05-24T12:25:43 < dongs> ooooooooookT.
2018-05-24T12:29:01 < stvn> I are delirious
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2018-05-24T12:29:05 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-44226434  500 error?
2018-05-24T12:29:06 < PeterM> is that PCB a troll?
2018-05-24T12:29:14 < stvn> Quick draw
2018-05-24T12:29:28 < PeterM> the fuck is with the TH to-92 and axial diode
2018-05-24T12:29:38 < PeterM> but also the smd resistors and sot-23
2018-05-24T12:29:51 < dongs> he couldnt find correct symbol in kikecad
2018-05-24T12:29:55 < dongs> and mking his own was too much work
2018-05-24T12:30:01 < stvn> That’s cause niggers have peanut brain
2018-05-24T12:30:03 < dongs> so just slapped what was on the interbutt
2018-05-24T12:30:41 < antto> pls ;]
2018-05-24T12:30:48 < dongs> amiwrong?
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2018-05-24T12:31:56 < PeterM> what is with the spacing/size of menu options
2018-05-24T12:32:16 < antto> what's wrong with it?
2018-05-24T12:32:23 < dongs> you're so used to shitty UI you dont even see it
2018-05-24T12:32:30 < dongs> checkmarks on teh main menu are different spacing from submenu
2018-05-24T12:32:31 < dongs> what teh fuck
2018-05-24T12:32:36 < dongs> its like completely different shit is used to render it
2018-05-24T12:32:43 < dongs> fucking lunix trash
2018-05-24T12:32:57 < Laurenceb_> pls show troll pcb?
2018-05-24T12:33:14 < stvn> Lunix: if you don’t like it fix it yaself
2018-05-24T12:33:14 < antto> there are icons in the menu, and they are probably different sizes
2018-05-24T12:33:15 < dongs>  < antto> https://i.imgur.com/iNarA9u.png ;P~
2018-05-24T12:33:24 < antto> if you couldn't figure that out you must be a bit slow
2018-05-24T12:33:25 < antto> ;P~
2018-05-24T12:33:30 < Laurenceb_> looks ok
2018-05-24T12:33:39 < Laurenceb_> babbies first pcb
2018-05-24T12:33:42 < PeterM> why do you need icons in the menu if have text
2018-05-24T12:33:54 < dongs> if that looks OK to you, you';ve been babbyshaked too much
2018-05-24T12:33:59 < Laurenceb_> wtf OS is that?
2018-05-24T12:34:06 < Laurenceb_> also you have grand turismunds
2018-05-24T12:34:06 < stvn> ^
2018-05-24T12:34:12 < stvn> Lol
2018-05-24T12:34:19 < antto> i do ;]
2018-05-24T12:34:24 < PeterM> that username tho
2018-05-24T12:34:36 < antto> and a blue mitsubishi in the garage with over 900hp ;P~
2018-05-24T12:34:43 < PeterM> or folder or whatever
2018-05-24T12:34:55 < Laurenceb_> grand turismunds -> https://www.clip.fail/video/BJebbcddhtg
2018-05-24T12:34:55 < antto> iz iz me
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2018-05-24T12:35:12 < PeterM> holy shit what is with the font on the clock
2018-05-24T12:35:16 < PeterM> i didnt even notice that
2018-05-24T12:35:19 < PeterM> jesus fuck
2018-05-24T12:35:31 < dongs> i think thats the same font as window <title>
2018-05-24T12:35:42 < h4x0riz3d> it's called A E S T H E T I C
2018-05-24T12:35:44 < stvn> Is that ya fuckin camlicorder
2018-05-24T12:36:03 < PeterM> nah it isnt dongs the 3s look completely different
2018-05-24T12:36:06 < Laurenceb_> oh its xfce
2018-05-24T12:36:09 < Laurenceb_> i c now
2018-05-24T12:36:13 < h4x0riz3d> it's not xfce
2018-05-24T12:36:30 < zyp> also, what's with the resolution? is this a crt monitor?
2018-05-24T12:36:30 < dongs> gnome-jerkit
2018-05-24T12:36:32 < stvn> Laurenceb_: I like the one where he smashes the ps2
2018-05-24T12:36:41 < dongs> zyp, thats all lunix can support in 2018
2018-05-24T12:37:00 < PeterM> but srsly, wtf is going on there its a fuckin mess
2018-05-24T12:37:06 < h4x0riz3d> such much hate, i love it
2018-05-24T12:37:29 < h4x0riz3d> just one picture and you all go mad ;]
2018-05-24T12:37:50 < Laurenceb_> hatechan
2018-05-24T12:38:18 < zyp> well, you basically managed to get everything wrong in it
2018-05-24T12:38:24 < zyp> great troll
2018-05-24T12:38:31 < h4x0riz3d> hahaah
2018-05-24T12:38:57 < PeterM> zyp, you seem somewhat unbiased compared to dongs and i, what are your thoughts
2018-05-24T12:39:16 < zyp> no, I just don't have anything to add, I agree it looks awful
2018-05-24T12:39:20 < h4x0riz3d> if you mean the PCB, forget it, it's a premature project, the schematic is not even complete yet, and i assigned footprints "out of my a$$" just to see certain things in the board
2018-05-24T12:39:43 < dongs> pcb is garbage we already determined that
2018-05-24T12:39:45 < h4x0riz3d> i used this project to make a screenshot only, because it was the "last opened project" and it's loaded automatically
2018-05-24T12:39:54 < h4x0riz3d> but you are great in making assumptions
2018-05-24T12:40:15 < dongs> what kinda dong throws random footprints on a board just to see "how it looks"
2018-05-24T12:40:18 < zyp> I'm not really commenting on the pcb, just the whole environment
2018-05-24T12:40:33 < h4x0riz3d> also, the actual project is a joke, if you didn't see it's name, it's "ghettologicprobe"
2018-05-24T12:40:45 < karlp> glad you have so much time on your hands.
2018-05-24T12:41:44 < zyp> the alignment of the desktop icons is also great
2018-05-24T12:42:47 < h4x0riz3d> you haven't seen my other two workspaces
2018-05-24T12:43:00 < PeterM> i think we've seen enough thanks
2018-05-24T12:43:00 < zyp> luckily
2018-05-24T12:43:13 < h4x0riz3d> they have different wallpapers
2018-05-24T12:43:31 < dongs> why the fuck does one even need a wallpaper
2018-05-24T12:43:34 < stvn> This is the chat of the month
2018-05-24T12:43:38 < dongs> like number of times i actually get to see my desktop
2018-05-24T12:43:39 < stvn> Right here
2018-05-24T12:43:39 < dongs> is like
2018-05-24T12:43:41 < dongs> zero
2018-05-24T12:43:43 < dongs> per month
2018-05-24T12:43:46 < karlp> almost as good as last nights freeeeedom chatz
2018-05-24T12:43:50 < dongs> i usually have acutal WORK open
2018-05-24T12:43:54 < dongs> and it takes up most of the space
2018-05-24T12:44:02 < dongs> why would i waste memory/gpu ram on a fucking shitty bitmap
2018-05-24T12:44:04 < h4x0riz3d> how sad
2018-05-24T12:44:10 < h4x0riz3d> ;]
2018-05-24T12:44:17 < zyp> I tend to either leave default wallpaper or select a black background
2018-05-24T12:44:39 < dongs> zyp has his macfag do a live slideshow of kawaii family pics as wallpaper
2018-05-24T12:44:46 < zyp> haha
2018-05-24T12:44:57 < h4x0riz3d> i use a random wallpaper at the job PC
2018-05-24T12:45:13 < PeterM> my wallpaper https://i.imgur.com/ZHdvOQ3.jpg
2018-05-24T12:45:19 < PeterM> works on any aspect ratio
2018-05-24T12:45:26 < PeterM> on any resolution
2018-05-24T12:45:30 < stvn> Hello.jpg
2018-05-24T12:45:39 < dongs> damn, thats like same as mine except i cant find that color in win10 color picker anymore so i pick the next bluest one next to it
2018-05-24T12:45:41 < h4x0riz3d> it's very nice, i like the details
2018-05-24T12:45:46 < h4x0riz3d> i just don't like the color
2018-05-24T12:46:00 < dongs> its the default win2000 solid desktop color
2018-05-24T12:46:06 < day> if you see a wallpaper you have too many screens :^)
2018-05-24T12:46:30 < h4x0riz3d> no, i have "virtual workspaces" on teh linux
2018-05-24T12:46:41 < dongs> poorman solution to having real screens
2018-05-24T12:46:44 < zyp> I have some win10 default shit that looks like the screen is dirty
2018-05-24T12:46:56 < day> h4x0riz3d: so do I
2018-05-24T12:47:15 < day> hopefully, one day, windows will have proper multi monitor support as well
2018-05-24T12:47:22 < dongs> ???????????????
2018-05-24T12:47:28 < dongs> you';re fucking kidding right
2018-05-24T12:47:32 < h4x0riz3d> dongs i'll get real screens when i get rich, don't worry
2018-05-24T12:47:37 < h4x0riz3d> (that'd be never)
2018-05-24T12:47:38 < dongs> windows has done proper multimonitors since '98 if not earlier
2018-05-24T12:47:43 < PeterM> hopefully one day lunix will have propper graphics support, then they can work on the multimonitor stuff later
2018-05-24T12:47:45 < day> nah right now not even the hotkeys support multimonitor properly kek
2018-05-24T12:47:56 < dongs> ? hotwhats
2018-05-24T12:48:15 < day> win + left on multi monitor setups will open the "win" overlay thing xD
2018-05-24T12:48:34 < dongs> no idea what that is - does nothing here
2018-05-24T12:48:40 < dongs> i have keys for retards turned off tho
2018-05-24T12:48:41 < PeterM> yeah same
2018-05-24T12:48:44 < day> so you have to press "win + left" + "win" to get what you want
2018-05-24T12:48:46 < h4x0riz3d> man, i can't even imagine what's gonna happen if i drop a screenshot of my winXP
2018-05-24T12:48:47 < h4x0riz3d> >:)
2018-05-24T12:48:59 < zyp> day, that shit worked right in win7
2018-05-24T12:49:04 < day> it does :P
2018-05-24T12:49:06 < zyp> they just fucked it up in win10
2018-05-24T12:49:14 < dongs> > non-ironically using winxp
2018-05-24T12:49:18 < dongs> in 2018
2018-05-24T12:49:20 < day> but win10 can do quad tiling which 7 cant :(
2018-05-24T12:50:00 < h4x0riz3d> i had win98SE till 2012-ish i think
2018-05-24T12:50:07 < h4x0riz3d> i broke it ;P~
2018-05-24T12:50:09 < day> and you kinda need virtual desktops for multi monitor support. which w10 doesnt really have
2018-05-24T12:50:25 < zyp> wat
2018-05-24T12:50:30 < dongs> day, i know how to solve your problems. win->r,control,search ease, make the mouse easier to use, [x] prevent windows from being automatically arranged when moved to the edge of screen
2018-05-24T12:50:32 < stvn> Deditaded wam
2018-05-24T12:50:34 < zyp> the fuck do you need virtual desktops for
2018-05-24T12:51:02 < h4x0riz3d> if it's something like the virtual workspaces - they are nice
2018-05-24T12:51:09 < karlp> I've occasionally tried to have work on one, personal on another, but it normally ends up overlapping and I go back to just one.
2018-05-24T12:51:12 < PeterM> i have a rickety chair and a rope, that will solve your problems
2018-05-24T12:51:18 < karlp> oooh, nice
2018-05-24T12:51:28 < zyp> no, they are awful
2018-05-24T12:51:31 < stvn> PeterM: can I try
2018-05-24T12:51:39 < dongs> virtualdesktops are completely useless
2018-05-24T12:51:43 < zyp> yes
2018-05-24T12:51:45 < PeterM> yeah
2018-05-24T12:51:57 < Laurenceb_> I have win98 still
2018-05-24T12:51:58 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2018-05-24T12:51:59 < h4x0riz3d> the board of directors have taken a decision
2018-05-24T12:52:00 < karlp> now now, I can see how they're used.
2018-05-24T12:52:16 < karlp> if you think multi monitors are useful, virtual desktops are surely allowed too
2018-05-24T12:52:26 < PeterM> karlp they're used to ahve  two copies of everything ?
2018-05-24T12:52:44 < stvn> Laurenceb_: window 98
2018-05-24T12:52:48 < karlp> well, I don't know what day's talking about.
2018-05-24T12:53:03 < karlp> if I hve multiple monitors, I just want one big desktop.
2018-05-24T12:53:12 < h4x0riz3d> i got 3 workspaces, so i can cover the first one with chat/webbrowser/whatever, the second one with kicad/datasheets/blahblah and the third one with the IDE/codez/whatever
2018-05-24T12:53:27 < h4x0riz3d> hm, i seem to have "whatever" on every workspace, gotta minimize that
2018-05-24T12:53:28 < zyp> virtual desktops/workspaces/whatever just don't work in practice
2018-05-24T12:53:37 < PeterM> ahh, so you can be 3 times as unproductive!
2018-05-24T12:53:39 < h4x0riz3d> sure they do
2018-05-24T12:53:48 < zyp> no, they don't
2018-05-24T12:53:48 < h4x0riz3d> PeterM eggzactly
2018-05-24T12:53:51 < dongs> well, "lunix" doesnt work either, so you're already at "shit doesnt work" state
2018-05-24T12:54:02 < h4x0riz3d> hahaha
2018-05-24T12:54:15 < dongs> i think there's some virtual desktop shit in win10, but i think that mouse ease thing takes care of that as well
2018-05-24T12:54:37 < dongs> ya its disabled.
2018-05-24T12:54:38 < dongs> great
2018-05-24T12:54:49 < dongs> good think i never get to find out the awesomeness of shit i don't need.
2018-05-24T12:55:52 < zyp> the only way virtual desktops would make sense is if you had groups of windows that you always only used together, not mixed with windows from the other groups
2018-05-24T12:55:55 < h4x0riz3d> have i shown you my IDE?
2018-05-24T12:56:02 < zyp> and real work just doesn't happen like that
2018-05-24T12:56:05 < h4x0riz3d> i think you'll love the font there
2018-05-24T12:59:59 < h4x0riz3d> https://i.imgur.com/AkGsfPH.png
2018-05-24T13:00:07  * h4x0riz3d puts on his umbrella
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2018-05-24T13:01:01 < dongs> i knew you were a C++ faggot
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2018-05-24T13:01:58 < h4x0riz3d> you have some sort of intuition?
2018-05-24T13:02:04 < h4x0riz3d> super sensitive intuition
2018-05-24T13:03:13 < PeterM> i gotta say, Code::Blocks actually looks like its UI was designed by someone competent
2018-05-24T13:03:24 < PeterM> i mean, by comparison ofc
2018-05-24T13:03:42 < h4x0riz3d> hm, wait, wat
2018-05-24T13:03:47 < h4x0riz3d> where's the hate?
2018-05-24T13:04:04 < h4x0riz3d> i posted this to get more hate out
2018-05-24T13:04:23 < h4x0riz3d> i haz much dissapoint
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2018-05-24T13:04:57 < PeterM> i mean, your changes make it look aids but thats not their fault
2018-05-24T13:05:40 < h4x0riz3d> aw, that's better
2018-05-24T13:05:49 < zyp> that fifo class looks pretty crazy
2018-05-24T13:06:15 < h4x0riz3d> it's not properly named, it actually deals with the USART too
2018-05-24T13:06:39 < h4x0riz3d> i don't care too much about naming things properly f*ck that
2018-05-24T13:06:51 < zyp> and apparently you hate references and initializers also
2018-05-24T13:07:08 < h4x0riz3d> hm?
2018-05-24T13:07:35 < h4x0riz3d> i don't hate references, i use const ref arguments whenever possible
2018-05-24T13:07:52 < zyp> no you don't
2018-05-24T13:08:20 < zyp> your UDRn and friends are pointers
2018-05-24T13:08:25 < h4x0riz3d> pls, this was my very first attempt at template metashizzle, i still need to learn it
2018-05-24T13:08:52 < zyp> doesn't have anything to do with templates
2018-05-24T13:08:59 < h4x0riz3d> yeah, i think i can't easily use references to them because they are not declared as variables by the library
2018-05-24T13:09:21 < h4x0riz3d> there's a way to do it, but it's difficult and not very elegant
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2018-05-24T13:10:05 < h4x0riz3d> i mean "UDR0" is a macro
2018-05-24T13:10:19 < zyp> so?
2018-05-24T13:10:27 < h4x0riz3d> the compiler vomits snakes at you if you try to make a reference to it
2018-05-24T13:10:36 < h4x0riz3d> brb
2018-05-24T13:10:39 < zyp> why?
2018-05-24T13:10:45 < h4x0riz3d> coz it's a macro
2018-05-24T13:11:01 < h4x0riz3d> it's not "declared" as an external "variable" or something
2018-05-24T13:11:05 < zyp> so what?
2018-05-24T13:13:11 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/TRJTD <- go ahead and compile this, it compiles just fine
2018-05-24T13:17:39 < dongs> zyp where did you steal dongsperipherallibrary sores from
2018-05-24T13:17:53 < zyp> sorry :(
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2018-05-24T13:37:15 < day> zyp: i use one for firefox, game on another, basically fill the desktop with programs, when its full use the next one. you can insta switch between them with a hotkey. it's glorious
2018-05-24T13:39:11 < PeterM> so what youre saying is you need mroe monitors and you open too many uselss things
2018-05-24T13:39:48 < day> nah i prefer virtual desktops over more monitor. switching between vdesktops is faster than moving your head
2018-05-24T13:40:38 < day> ive got two displays. for some tasks its nice to have another one, but i didnt really used the 3rd one so i got rid of it
2018-05-24T13:43:38 < zyp> what's the advantage of switching desktops over switching windows?
2018-05-24T13:44:12 < BrainDamage> that you can recall whole layouts at once
2018-05-24T13:44:21 < day> the desktop can either be a window or a composition of multiple windows
2018-05-24T13:44:23 < day> ^
2018-05-24T13:44:42 < zyp> precisely
2018-05-24T13:44:50 < zyp> 11:55:52 < zyp> the only way virtual desktops would make sense is if you had groups of windows that you always only used together, not mixed with windows from the other groups
2018-05-24T13:44:50 < karlp> nah, zyp's being too narrow minded on this one.
2018-05-24T13:45:10 < karlp> your "only if" is yes, that's right, that does happen.
2018-05-24T13:45:17 < stvn> i need a bong
2018-05-24T13:45:18 < karlp> you went wrong when you claimed that never happened.
2018-05-24T13:46:26 < day> dongs infected them all :P
2018-05-24T13:47:00 < zyp> karlp, I'm not claiming never, not just enough to justify the overhead
2018-05-24T13:47:19 < karlp> I think you're overestimating thee overhead then
2018-05-24T13:48:59 < day> theres no overhead. win10 has virtual desktops. its just that it defines each vdesktop as a group of all monitors. so switching the vdesktop changes the view on all monitors
2018-05-24T13:49:26 < zyp> I'm talking about the overhead of selecting which windows to be visible on which desktops
2018-05-24T13:49:36 < karlp> hrm, postgres isn't happy with my 123k statement file  I want it to run.
2018-05-24T13:49:44  * karlp splits things and feeds chunks
2018-05-24T13:49:45 < day> zyp: yeah win10 has that already
2018-05-24T13:49:57 < zyp> has what?
2018-05-24T13:50:12 < day> what you described. it binds programs to virtual desktops
2018-05-24T13:50:21 < karlp> wat? you switch to a new workspace, start thigns you want on it. done.
2018-05-24T13:50:23 < day> you simply only work on one so you dont notice that
2018-05-24T13:50:28 < karlp> it' sjust like starting them anywhere else.
2018-05-24T13:51:44 < day> swithcing deskotps is, i think "ctrl+win+arrow left/right" on windows 
2018-05-24T13:53:20 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XVL wtf
2018-05-24T13:53:33 < dongs> kyocera 3d models come in this format (along with step/iges
2018-05-24T13:53:37 < dongs> never fucking heard of it
2018-05-24T13:54:08 < karlp> japsamirite?
2018-05-24T13:54:19 < dongs> uhhh must be
2018-05-24T13:54:42 < dongs> Founded in 1997, Lattice Technology is a privately-held company headquartered in Tokyo. The company has offices worldwide and works with resellers in 91 countries.
2018-05-24T13:54:46 < dongs> thats not FPGA lattice i guess
2018-05-24T13:55:22 < dongs> Long-standing Legacy of XVL
2018-05-24T13:55:23 < dongs> Introduced to the industry in 1997, XVL delivers a lengthy and award-winning history of highly accurate 3D compression. This patented format is used by thousands of manufacturers worldwide for integrating usable 3D into their lean manufacturing processes. Across the years, XVL has been further developed to deliver greater 3D compression with that same high accuracy. Lattice Technology's latest release, XVL v10, is a leap forward in lightweight 3D formats by offering 
2018-05-24T13:55:52 < dongs> how the fuck do you "more accurately" compress lossless 3D data
2018-05-24T13:56:44 < zyp> same way FLAC offers better autio compression than gzip, I guess
2018-05-24T13:56:58 < karlp> I'm guessing some of the other compressed 3d weren't lossless?
2018-05-24T13:57:00 < dongs> you started typing "autism" correctly
2018-05-24T13:57:39 < dongs> zyp, only beacuse it applies some rules to the data that make it optimized for audio compression
2018-05-24T13:57:47 < zyp> exactly
2018-05-24T13:58:03 < zyp> presumably 3d data also has patterns that you can optimize for
2018-05-24T13:58:21 < dongs> like, you could probably increase gayzip compression if you'd preprocess stereo data that's stored interleaved and compressed each channel separately
2018-05-24T13:58:31 < dongs> there'd me more shit to RLE or wahtevr gzip does
2018-05-24T13:59:16 < zyp> yeah, and for second channel you only need to store difference from first channel
2018-05-24T14:05:02 < jpa-> 3d data also has silly stuff like whether you can accurately represent all the meshes that might come from different sources; e.g. can you represent nurbs and bezier surfaces in the same file format, as the conversion between them is lossy
2018-05-24T14:05:19 < dongs> oh right
2018-05-24T14:05:26 < dongs> well i hope these japs figured it out
2018-05-24T14:05:28 < dongs> since 1997
2018-05-24T14:05:48 < jpa-> and if you convert a float to ascii decimal representation, it's easy to lose precision there also
2018-05-24T14:05:58 < dongs> no surprise they're just jerking other japs
2018-05-24T14:06:37 < dongs> and information without needing expensive hardware, software or lengthy training.
2018-05-24T14:06:40 < dongs> Use Microsoft Excel to View Interactive 3D and Work Instructions
2018-05-24T14:06:47 < dongs> def. japanese.
2018-05-24T14:06:56 < dongs> nobody would fucking want to involve excel in viewing 3d models
2018-05-24T14:07:21 < zyp> haha
2018-05-24T14:07:51 < PeterM> maybe its a fax machine compatible fileformat
2018-05-24T14:08:49 < dongs> NOTE: If you want to try a rather large model, use the Satellite demo file. It contains over 3,000 parts, and its original file size in SolidWorks® CAD was 3.5GB. The resulting XVL file size is 3.5MB.
2018-05-24T14:10:03 < dongs> oh well wahtever
2018-05-24T14:12:27 < h4x0riz3d> zyp https://i.imgur.com/iNarA9u.png
2018-05-24T14:12:37 < h4x0riz3d> eh, sorry
2018-05-24T14:12:40 < h4x0riz3d> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/aa785bc7/
2018-05-24T14:12:47 < dongs> . we've seen taht already
2018-05-24T14:12:56 < h4x0riz3d> pasted from the wrong comput0r
2018-05-24T14:13:07 < stvn> lol
2018-05-24T14:13:53 < zyp> h4x0riz3d, why would you take that as a template argument?
2018-05-24T14:14:08 < zyp> that's not how you're supposed to use templates
2018-05-24T14:14:28 < h4x0riz3d> to get even fastuuur codez? ;P~
2018-05-24T14:14:35 < zyp> bullshit
2018-05-24T14:14:56 < h4x0riz3d> otherwise i need a member variable
2018-05-24T14:15:13 < h4x0riz3d> and constructor argument instead of template argument
2018-05-24T14:15:21 < zyp> well, duh
2018-05-24T14:16:10 < stvn> now that o6 is dead we have a replacement
2018-05-24T14:21:48 < h4x0riz3d> well, zyp, i don't remember the details, but i tried to use, say, a reference to USARTF0 as either a template argument or something, and it didn't work
2018-05-24T14:22:11 < h4x0riz3d> where USARTF0 is again, #defined but it's a structure
2018-05-24T14:22:18 < zyp> stuff doesn't work if you do it wrong
2018-05-24T14:22:28 < h4x0riz3d> surely
2018-05-24T14:22:30 < zyp> if you do it right, it's fine
2018-05-24T14:22:35 < h4x0riz3d> if it works - it'd be a bug
2018-05-24T14:23:40 < h4x0riz3d> but i'm still learning teh template metashizzle and constexpr voodoo magic
2018-05-24T14:24:26 < h4x0riz3d> i rewrote some of my functions for calculating usart bitrates with constexpr and whatnot, and i'm sorta proud of that
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2018-05-24T14:26:48 < h4x0riz3d> https://godbolt.org/g/PgyJsv
2018-05-24T14:27:18 < h4x0riz3d> i got a similar version for xmega (where the usart is different, and the formula involves another variable)
2018-05-24T14:28:10 < dongs> i heard the more code you fit on one line the faster it is
2018-05-24T14:28:57 < h4x0riz3d> who told you this? the seller of widescreen monitors?
2018-05-24T14:30:11 < dongs> no, your shitty code
2018-05-24T14:31:10 < sync> dongs: depending on how the satellite model is made the 3.5G -> 3.5M reduction is quite realistic
2018-05-24T14:31:19 < sync> if it has a lot of freeform 3d surfaces, no wai
2018-05-24T14:31:27 < h4x0riz3d> i know, it's eggcelent, isn't it
2018-05-24T14:34:25 < h4x0riz3d> dongs i guess your IDE calculates stuff like that for you.. or cubemx
2018-05-24T14:34:52 < h4x0riz3d> it'd be nasty if it stops working one day ;P~
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2018-05-24T14:43:01 < karlp> heh, so glad, "ST Voltage Regulator Finder mobile app for Android and iOS"
2018-05-24T14:43:06 < karlp> just what I never knew I needed.
2018-05-24T14:43:27 < englishman> day>	hopefully, one day, windows will have proper multi monitor support as well
2018-05-24T14:43:28 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/sEUYAkv.png
2018-05-24T14:43:35 < englishman> can confirm, very nonworking setup
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2018-05-24T14:49:26 < h4x0riz3d> hahaha
2018-05-24T14:49:29 < sync> that reminds me, I have to get another screen
2018-05-24T14:49:41 < h4x0riz3d> does your cursor get stuck in the funky corners?
2018-05-24T14:54:30 < dongs> no
2018-05-24T14:54:32 < dongs> it just works
2018-05-24T14:54:34 < dongs> you fucking faggot
2018-05-24T14:54:46 < day> nothing "works" in windongs
2018-05-24T14:54:52 < dongs> except it does
2018-05-24T14:54:58 < karlp> lots of things just do though day
2018-05-24T14:55:08 < karlp> just like lots of things "just work" in linux too :)
2018-05-24T14:55:11 < h4x0riz3d> day wuauserv.exe and cortana.exe work most of the time
2018-05-24T14:55:19 < h4x0riz3d> they have speshul priority
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2018-05-24T14:55:43 < h4x0riz3d> and the nsa rootkits
2018-05-24T14:57:30 < day> tabing out of fullscreen applications is a bliss as well in windows
2018-05-24T14:58:06 < h4x0riz3d> "we're getting a few things ready..."
2018-05-24T14:58:21 < dongs> the fuck is a fullscreen application
2018-05-24T14:58:22 < stvn> ##windows32
2018-05-24T14:58:25 < dongs> day, i think you just dont know how to compute
2018-05-24T14:58:37 < dongs> or you think normal things should be complex and hard to do (like in lunix)
2018-05-24T14:58:41 < dongs> but in windows.. it just works
2018-05-24T14:58:53 < h4x0riz3d> "this might take a while.. stare at this animated busyicon and suck your thumb while you wait.."
2018-05-24T14:59:12 < day> things work in windows. but many of them the "working state" is mediocre at best
2018-05-24T14:59:41 < day> you may be acustomed to it, I'm not.
2018-05-24T14:59:57 < h4x0riz3d> yeah, things in windows work so much and so automatic that you get infected with a rootkit just as you plug some fishy USB device into the comput0r
2018-05-24T14:59:58 < karlp> things are different and it sucks, no matter where you are working
2018-05-24T15:01:21 < day> thats a different story. linux has security issues as well. and actually there was a usb stick bug as well. iirc you could execute arbitary shell code on plugin
2018-05-24T15:01:47 < h4x0riz3d> day autorun.inf is not a bug
2018-05-24T15:01:59 < h4x0riz3d> it's enabled by default
2018-05-24T15:02:12 < h4x0riz3d> it's a feature that makes this easier so that they "just work"
2018-05-24T15:02:23 < dongs> lets bring even more ancient irrelevant shit
2018-05-24T15:02:26 < day> ok I didnt know that :P
2018-05-24T15:02:26 < h4x0riz3d> * makes things easier
2018-05-24T15:02:54 < h4x0riz3d> oh, did they remove autorun.inf in win10?
2018-05-24T15:07:54 < h4x0riz3d> ah, supposedly in win7, weird that we had a conficker infection at the job then
2018-05-24T15:10:16 < stvn> if you've got something to say about it i'll put a fuckin' coke can up ya pussy
2018-05-24T15:11:57 < h4x0riz3d> such much anger
2018-05-24T15:12:34  * Laurenceb confused
2018-05-24T15:12:42 < Laurenceb> QList<(QList<configelement_t>)*>  <- gives error in Qt, but why?
2018-05-24T15:12:55 < Laurenceb> a QList of pointers to QLists
2018-05-24T15:13:07 < dongs> ):>
2018-05-24T15:13:11 < h4x0riz3d> what's the error?
2018-05-24T15:13:17 < dongs> ^ your face while "coding" qt
2018-05-24T15:13:42 < stvn> lol
2018-05-24T15:14:19 < Laurenceb> sensordialog.h:22: error: expected primary-expression before ‘>’ token  QList<(QList<configelement>)*> configurations;              
2018-05-24T15:14:33 < dongs> <_< token
2018-05-24T15:14:39 < dongs> >_> token
2018-05-24T15:15:06 < zyp> remove the ()
2018-05-24T15:15:47 < Laurenceb> wtf it works now
2018-05-24T15:15:54 < Laurenceb> why does the () break it?
2018-05-24T15:15:56 < h4x0riz3d> magic.gif
2018-05-24T15:16:03 < zyp> Laurenceb, because it's invalid syntax
2018-05-24T15:16:17 < zyp> (Cock)* is not a valid type
2018-05-24T15:16:24 < zyp> Cock* is a pointer to Cock
2018-05-24T15:16:46 < Laurenceb> hmm ok thanks
2018-05-24T15:16:52 < Laurenceb> epin c fail
2018-05-24T15:17:00 < dongs> no thats gay++ trash
2018-05-24T15:17:22 < zyp> not valid C either
2018-05-24T15:17:28 < stvn> sea code
2018-05-24T15:17:38 < dongs> C doesn't have <garbage> syntax
2018-05-24T15:18:05 < zyp> doesn't matter, (Cock)* is not valid C, Cock* is valid C
2018-05-24T15:18:18 < zyp> assuming you have a type named Cock
2018-05-24T15:18:34 < h4x0riz3d> did you just assume?
2018-05-24T15:18:47 < dongs> there's this fpc connector on this cable
2018-05-24T15:18:50 < dongs> its 0.175mm pitch
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2018-05-24T15:19:04 < dongs> didnt even know shit could get that small
2018-05-24T15:19:05 < zyp> nice
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2018-05-24T15:19:25 < zyp> I still think 0.5mm pitch is fucking small
2018-05-24T15:19:25 < dongs> its staggered 0.35mm for actual pads, on both sides of the socket
2018-05-24T15:19:33 < dongs> but the FFC pitch itself is 0.175
2018-05-24T15:20:12 < zyp> fun fun
2018-05-24T15:29:35 < dongs> basic fucking shit is busted in altidumb
2018-05-24T15:29:51 < dongs> pt for track, default is too wide for drc, so you can't actually start laying a track
2018-05-24T15:29:57 < dongs> but because of new fucking faggot sidebar UI
2018-05-24T15:30:03 < dongs> you can't just hit tab to bring up track width dialog
2018-05-24T15:30:06 < dongs> and ctrl+w was also removed
2018-05-24T15:30:09 < dongs> until you start routing
2018-05-24T15:30:21 < karlp> prosoftware 
2018-05-24T15:30:25 < dongs> er shiftw
2018-05-24T15:31:00 < h4x0riz3d> call support on teh phone, curse them
2018-05-24T15:31:12 < dongs> the plus side is that altium is still better than kikecad no matter how bad altium is
2018-05-24T15:31:12 < zyp> good thing my license is only good until AD15, don't have to deal with recent fuckups
2018-05-24T15:31:14 < h4x0riz3d> vomit hate thru the phone
2018-05-24T15:32:24 < Laurenceb> http://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113995.png
2018-05-24T15:33:30 < dongs> lol'd
2018-05-24T15:35:17 < jpa-> UK population is expanding at 10% per year? .. oh no, so many laurenceb's..
2018-05-24T15:35:35 < h4x0riz3d> i'll need a bigger umbrella
2018-05-24T15:36:47 < stvn> hmm
2018-05-24T15:37:16 < jpa-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJANoSId7k  which one of you is this?
2018-05-24T15:38:01 < stvn> i was waiting to see that posted on irc
2018-05-24T15:38:06 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-05-24T15:38:16 < dongs> jpa-: found l0de
2018-05-24T15:38:21 < stvn> lol
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2018-05-24T15:39:13 < dongs> https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/999480378606813184 huh that is sorta cool i wish the dumb cunt would post the actual source and not just wank
2018-05-24T15:40:32 < Laurenceb> he sort of looks like my dad lol
2018-05-24T15:40:39 < Laurenceb> muh heritage of autism
2018-05-24T15:40:44 < stvn> lol
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2018-05-24T15:43:43 < dongs> Name a more skilled, more prolific Maker in China male or female? Right. I always competed on technical merit but losers like you decided "merit" was clothing and appearance.
2018-05-24T15:43:46 < dongs> haha
2018-05-24T15:47:17 < Laurenceb> cant fap to this http://imgoat.com/uploads/fd0b37cd7d/113996.png
2018-05-24T15:47:26 < Laurenceb> tfw u searched for milf pronz
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2018-05-24T15:49:48 < Laurenceb> even in her younger shots she is worse than a female incel
2018-05-24T15:49:52 < Laurenceb> how does she manage it
2018-05-24T15:50:29 < PeterM> jpa- typical redditor
2018-05-24T15:50:41 < Laurenceb> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/01/11/35D3B73700000578-3669017-No_one_spotted_any_star_potential_in_the_fairly_quiet_blonde_gir-a-4_1467368352792.jpg
2018-05-24T15:50:45 < Laurenceb> ^autiste
2018-05-24T15:51:18 < Laurenceb> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/01/11/35D3B73300000578-3669017-Theresa_May_at_Oxford_University-a-5_1467368357533.jpg
2018-05-24T15:51:33 < Laurenceb> wtf.. chokers??
2018-05-24T15:51:44 < Laurenceb> do not want . jpg
2018-05-24T15:52:18 < h4x0riz3d> y u case so much for her?
2018-05-24T15:52:21 < h4x0riz3d> * care
2018-05-24T15:53:12 < PeterM> Laurenceb i think all politicians are pretty ugly, or atleast the vast majority
2018-05-24T15:53:56 < jpa-> here in finland many politicians are ex beauty contest winners
2018-05-24T15:54:09 < h4x0riz3d> nice
2018-05-24T15:54:50 < h4x0riz3d> jpa- pics or it didn't happen
2018-05-24T15:55:48 < PeterM> jpa- since when were you a poli..... wait... wheres tectu?
2018-05-24T15:57:32 < PeterM> i wonder how his ugfx sales are going etc
2018-05-24T15:57:35 < jpa-> h4x0riz3d: https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanja_Karpela#/media/File:Tanja_Karpela_2009.jpg    ... it's only finnish beauty contests, of course
2018-05-24T16:03:14 < h4x0riz3d> not bad
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2018-05-24T16:23:20 < englishman> h4x0riz3d>	day autorun.inf is not a bug
2018-05-24T16:23:28 < englishman> lol, do lunix users still use CDs in 2018
2018-05-24T16:27:30 < h4x0riz3d> englishman it's not a bug, who said it's a bug.. it's a security hole by design
2018-05-24T16:27:45 < h4x0riz3d> and you don't need a CD to get infected
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2018-05-24T16:28:40 < englishman> let me just insert a CD into the CD slot in my computer
2018-05-24T16:29:23 < h4x0riz3d> eggciting
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2018-05-24T16:36:47 < R0b0t1`> englishman: But where do you load the letters?
2018-05-24T16:40:51 < h4x0riz3d> sounds like threading a needle
2018-05-24T16:41:11 < h4x0riz3d> spit on the edge of the CD
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2018-05-24T16:52:06 < elektrinis> what's a CD?
2018-05-24T16:52:35 < karlp> more funky antenas https://www.edn.com/ContentEETimes/Images/EDN/Teardowns/Amazon_Echo_Dot/Echo_Dot_PCB_right_antenna_top.jpg
2018-05-24T16:52:47 < Laurenceb> looks fairly standard to me
2018-05-24T16:56:50 < bitmask> man, I searched my last name on mugshots.com and of course the one result is someone else with my first name and they were arrested for: LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH A CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS OF AGE
2018-05-24T16:59:56 < Laurenceb> being a murimutt
2018-05-24T17:00:14 < Laurenceb> >getting shot
2018-05-24T17:00:50 < zyp> karlp, cute
2018-05-24T17:07:18 < karlp> hey blockchain fans: https://www.htcexodus.com/
2018-05-24T17:08:57 < Cracki> congrats bitmask, plausible deniability
2018-05-24T17:09:15 < bitmask> it wuznt me!
2018-05-24T17:09:17 < bitmask> :)
2018-05-24T17:13:19 < bitmask> alright time to get this canny edge detection working
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2018-05-24T17:40:25 < englishman> lol karlp 
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2018-05-24T17:42:39 < englishman> theres a lot of runners-up in their bios
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2018-05-24T18:22:56 < BrainDamage> karlp: should be equivalent to an inverted F, with a coupled line to change impedance match over the higher bands
2018-05-24T18:24:33 < karlp> I was more admiring the intrusions on the upper side, into the void area.
2018-05-24T18:24:46 < karlp> and teh lovely shaped cutouts and things
2018-05-24T18:25:16 < BrainDamage> and everytime I read about planar inverted f ( PIFA ), I can't help but think about thee folded inverted conformal antenna ( FICA ), which is slang for pussy in italian
2018-05-24T18:26:00 < BrainDamage> once I've attended a conference with a guy that somehow managed to innocently talk about FICA antennas, multivibrators and excitation modes
2018-05-24T18:26:14 < BrainDamage> the italian part of the audicence was in stitches
2018-05-24T18:26:21 < BrainDamage> poor guy had no idea
2018-05-24T18:26:38 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTIue_Wj2lQ
2018-05-24T18:30:15 < BrainDamage> the upper side intrusion should make the end load of the line act like a stub by near field coupling
2018-05-24T18:30:33 < BrainDamage> so instead of ending to vacuum, they make it end to a specific impedance, probably to shorten it
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2018-05-24T18:31:29 < BrainDamage> a normal quarter wave antenna has that specific length because it has to rotate vacuum's impedance to the feedpoint
2018-05-24T18:31:46 < karlp> still, that sort of thing makes it rather different to "just an inverted F"
2018-05-24T18:31:56 < karlp> (In my uneducated opinion)
2018-05-24T18:33:18 < BrainDamage> eh, it can be applied to many other, to my knowledge, there's no specific antenna name for that
2018-05-24T18:33:42 < jpa-> you can call any pcb antenna "inverted F" :)
2018-05-24T18:35:09 < jpa-> that one doesn't even seem to have the shorted segment of inverted F, so it is more like inverted ├
2018-05-24T18:35:14 < Aditya> inverted F gets the name because of it's structure right?
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2018-05-24T18:35:41 < Aditya> Plus the feed point to external impedance matching matters a lot too.
2018-05-24T18:36:11 < BrainDamage> it has the F, just not galvanically plugged
2018-05-24T18:36:23 < BrainDamage> the other arm is the curved section that's not directly connected
2018-05-24T18:36:37 < BrainDamage> it's electromagnetically coupled
2018-05-24T18:37:17 < BrainDamage> also, since we're on the topic of shitty jokes https://i.imgur.com/lPCGdb0.jpg
2018-05-24T18:37:56 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage is incel confirmed
2018-05-24T18:38:42 < BrainDamage> I don't even know what that means, and not interested to
2018-05-24T18:38:46 < R0b0t1`> So if I can hook enough probes up to a lady I will understand her?
2018-05-24T18:39:01 < Aditya> BrainDamage, https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=incel
2018-05-24T18:39:17 < BrainDamage> I am glad you understad the 'not interested to' part
2018-05-24T18:46:27 < Aditya> this is going to be a brainless question what is the difference between the usb blaster and ST-link thing.
2018-05-24T18:47:30 < karlp> what do they have in common is a bette question
2018-05-24T18:47:36 < BrainDamage> usb blaster speaks jtag protocol, st-link speaks either swd and jtag, or, in your specific case, only swd
2018-05-24T18:48:13 < BrainDamage> and stlink has some extra features to process debugging
2018-05-24T18:48:56 < BrainDamage> jtag is only a wire protocol, nearly every manifacturer extends it in some way to have what they want ( debug, etc )
2018-05-24T18:49:40 < Aditya> karlp, okay what do they have in common then.
2018-05-24T18:50:20 < Aditya> They are not inter-useable then, right BrainDamage ?
2018-05-24T18:51:04 < BrainDamage> only for basic functionality
2018-05-24T18:51:44 < Thorn> what is the difference between foo.exe, foo.app and /usr/local/bin/foo, are they interchangeable
2018-05-24T18:51:47 < BrainDamage> your discovery board has jumpers and connectors to access the stlink as a standalone device
2018-05-24T18:52:06 < BrainDamage> so you can use it to connect to any board
2018-05-24T18:57:45 < Aditya> "you can use it to connect to any board" means?
2018-05-24T19:00:34 < R0b0t1`> The nucleo boards further have the stlink almost panelized
2018-05-24T19:00:44 < R0b0t1`> So you can cut it off
2018-05-24T19:03:54 < Aditya> So in conclusion both JTAG and ST-LINK are dubuggers, and nucleo and discovery has them built-in, and R0b0t1` nice one.
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2018-05-24T19:26:57 < Laurenceb> https://caamib.wordpress.com/
2018-05-24T19:27:08 < Laurenceb> muh blog
2018-05-24T19:29:59 < Steffanx> Thats not a blog, its a manifest.
2018-05-24T19:30:07 < Laurenceb> dat heading
2018-05-24T19:30:08 < Steffanx> Mainly: tldr;
2018-05-24T19:30:10 < Laurenceb> my sides
2018-05-24T19:30:43 < Steffanx> Hows Donal, Laurenceb ?
2018-05-24T19:35:01 < Aditya> For hardware libraries is there any alternative to libopencm3
2018-05-24T19:35:46 < karlp> mbus, arduino, cubemx, LL_, laks, ....
2018-05-24T19:35:53 < karlp> mbed soprry, not mbus
2018-05-24T19:35:53 < Laurenceb> >arduino
2018-05-24T19:35:58 < Laurenceb> cubemx works
2018-05-24T19:36:31 < Aditya> under linux?
2018-05-24T19:36:51 < karlp> what difference does that make?
2018-05-24T19:36:55 < karlp> you asked about hardware library code.
2018-05-24T19:39:20 < Aditya> self containment right, I think mbed is not like that.
2018-05-24T19:39:45 < karlp> what are you talking about now?
2018-05-24T19:40:17 < Laurenceb> Aditya confirmed as caamib
2018-05-24T19:41:26 < Aditya> Laurenceb, could be. At this moment no STM.
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2018-05-24T19:43:01 < Steffanx> Just get started with something Aditya. 
2018-05-24T19:43:56 < Aditya> Because libopencm3 says something about unstable api and make install dangers, so confused that's why.
2018-05-24T19:44:26 < karlp> just don't make install, there' snothing to "install" 
2018-05-24T19:46:21 < Aditya> Thanks karlp .
2018-05-24T19:47:01 < karlp> pretty sure the readme even says exactly that...
2018-05-24T19:47:53 < Aditya> yes, it also says something about using git submodules, and it gets even more confusing.
2018-05-24T19:48:09 < Aditya> just because of git.
2018-05-24T19:48:27 < karlp> you can download it as a zip, and just unzip it inyour project as a copy like cubemx does if you like.
2018-05-24T19:49:34 < Aditya> So for every project I need have the entire thing, then?
2018-05-24T19:50:26 < karlp> yes, if you want to use it, you have to use it...
2018-05-24T19:51:06 < Aditya> that seems feasible as of now. I am still missing an ST-LINK so I need to wait.
2018-05-24T19:51:11 < Aditya> Thanks karlp 
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2018-05-24T20:36:46 < Streaker> you can program over a serial port...
2018-05-24T20:44:16 < Steffanx> Yes you can, but do you want that?
2018-05-24T20:44:33 < englishman> you can jump off the brooklyn street bridge too
2018-05-24T20:44:38 < Steffanx> How's your India today, Streaker?
2018-05-24T20:45:01 < Streaker> waiting for the rains
2018-05-24T20:45:25 < Steffanx> why
2018-05-24T20:45:34 < Streaker> I've programmed a LPC2148 over serial. It wasn't painful at all
2018-05-24T20:45:58 < Streaker> we wait for the monsoon the way you wait for summer.
2018-05-24T20:46:11 < Streaker> It's the nicest time of year
2018-05-24T20:46:14 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-05-24T20:46:15 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Overcast. Temp is 23.6°C. SSE wind: 4.0 kph. Humidity: 55%.
2018-05-24T20:46:20 < Steffanx> ^ warm enough
2018-05-24T20:46:46 < Streaker> only 12 degrees less than delhi
2018-05-24T20:47:29 < Steffanx> A dutchlander like me doenst need more than 23-25
2018-05-24T20:47:35 < Steffanx> C
2018-05-24T20:48:21 < Streaker> You'll be lucky to find 23'C anywhere in India
2018-05-24T20:48:43 < Steffanx> I wont move to India ever. Maybe for a short holiday, but nothing more
2018-05-24T20:50:36 < Streaker> What about China?
2018-05-24T20:53:58 < Steffanx> meh
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2018-05-24T21:06:38 < Aditya> Steffanx, me being an asshole I don't want to.
2018-05-24T21:07:09 < Steffanx> hmm, too bad then Aditya
2018-05-24T21:07:34 < Aditya> Well I just placed an order in amazon, monday expected delivery.
2018-05-24T21:08:11 < Steffanx> India does amazon?
2018-05-24T21:08:11 < Aditya> Streaker, think about vijayawada.
2018-05-24T21:08:32 < Aditya> It must be the ninth circle of hell.
2018-05-24T21:09:07 < Aditya> yes Steffanx they do, one of the biggest guys here.
2018-05-24T21:09:31 < Steffanx> aha
2018-05-24T21:11:32 < Aditya> So after installing the necessary tools in linux what next(other than the obvious), like compiling to start with.
2018-05-24T21:12:11 < kakimir> can I use arduino as proper usb-uart?
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2018-05-24T21:28:59 < Streaker> some arduinos have actual usb-uary chip. CH430 or similar.
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2018-05-24T21:39:40 < kakimir> mine has some atmel chip
2018-05-24T21:39:44 < kakimir> iirc
2018-05-24T21:40:08 < kakimir> what I think about arduino uart: craptastic
2018-05-24T21:41:53 < Steffanx> probably some usb avr atwhatever.
2018-05-24T21:43:58 < kakimir> !wz kaki
2018-05-24T21:44:03 < englishbot> [Kaki Barama, Niger] Clear. Temp is 43°C. East wind: 15 kph.
2018-05-24T21:44:07 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-24T21:44:12 < Steffanx> Excellent: Mouser, In Stock: 1
2018-05-24T21:44:13 < Steffanx> -_-
2018-05-24T21:44:48 < kakimir> MLCC gettin harder
2018-05-24T21:45:24 < Steffanx> nah, its more a mechanical part
2018-05-24T21:47:56 < Laurenceb> https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/teenagers/1889121-I-want-my-adult-child-to-move-out-of-my-house
2018-05-24T21:48:00 < Laurenceb> busted
2018-05-24T21:48:33 < emeb> failure to launch
2018-05-24T21:48:44 < Laurenceb> story of irc lurkers
2018-05-24T21:49:14  * emeb had his own house long b4 irc
2018-05-24T21:49:34 < emeb> otherwise, who knows what would have happened?
2018-05-24T21:49:58 < Steffanx> that story is old and you fucking linked to it already mr Laurenceb.
2018-05-24T21:50:11 < emeb> close to his heart?
2018-05-24T21:50:12 < Steffanx> oh its a new story. even worse
2018-05-24T21:50:24 < emeb> there are many such stories
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2018-05-24T21:50:55 < Laurenceb> the number of such stories is equal to the number of ppl on irc
2018-05-24T21:51:04 < Steffanx> that's not a lot.
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2018-05-24T22:46:13 < karlp> what's my nick now
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2018-05-24T22:46:18 < karlp> hrm, weird. nvm
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2018-05-24T22:48:47 < Steffanx> lol
2018-05-24T22:49:38 < karlp> so.. hrm, f7 usb fs again.
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2018-05-24T22:51:30 < Steffanx> uh?
2018-05-24T22:52:46 < karlp> still can't work out why f4 code doesn't work for it.
2018-05-24T22:52:56 < karlp> linux, chibios, all just use the same driver code.
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2018-05-24T23:02:01 < R0b0t1``> Sounds like my attempt to get l4 working with f4 code
2018-05-24T23:04:24 < karlp> not really, you were just assuming things were the same and wondering why they weren't :)
2018-05-24T23:05:37 < antto> consistency is a mirage
2018-05-24T23:06:11 < R0b0t1``> So expecting f4 code to work on f7 isn't doing the same thing?
2018-05-24T23:06:29 < karlp> not when you've actually compared the datasheetss and the code migrration guidelines from st :)
2018-05-24T23:06:40 < R0b0t1``> I've no idea why you are acting like I didn't do that
2018-05-24T23:07:00 < antto> that's the normal reaction here by the pros
2018-05-24T23:07:35 < karlp> are you implying I'm a pro?
2018-05-24T23:07:40 < antto> stupid by default
2018-05-24T23:07:41 < karlp> can't be, I don't use windows for starters.
2018-05-24T23:08:00 < antto> u look like a pro, yeah
2018-05-24T23:08:22 < antto> the length of your nickname is the same as dongs'
2018-05-24T23:08:46 < BrainDamage> so is yours
2018-05-24T23:08:53 < jadew> he's also a pro
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2018-05-24T23:09:19 < antto> shadap, i don't even have any arm chips
2018-05-24T23:10:59 < karlp> R0b0t1``: I thought I rememebred you trying to flash f4 demos on l4 boards, if I misremembered, I apologize for impugning your honour
2018-05-24T23:11:19 < R0b0t1``> No that would be patently insane
2018-05-24T23:11:57 < karlp> people around here have done far worse and expected sane results.
2018-05-24T23:12:17 < R0b0t1``> I *did* get a set of boards for use with the MEMSMIC demos which came with binary files and had that not work, but I had the right board for that.
2018-05-24T23:13:30 < karlp> hah, only just found the "bitfield view" in speedcrunch
2018-05-24T23:13:35 < karlp> even more awesome
2018-05-24T23:14:58 < Ecco> Are there some famous products using ChibiOS?
2018-05-24T23:15:16 < BrainDamage> laurenceb's logger is infamous here
2018-05-24T23:15:59 < srk> R0b0t1``: peripherals vary between f4 and f7
2018-05-24T23:16:13 < srk> some are identical but spi, i2c, uart are not
2018-05-24T23:17:15 < R0b0t1``> Interesting
2018-05-24T23:21:38 < srk> spi and uart are easy to port/fix, i2c is completely different
2018-05-24T23:22:20 < srk> karlp: ^
2018-05-24T23:25:43 < emeb> latest documented foolishness: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/stm32l432breakout/index.html
2018-05-24T23:26:20 < zyp> why no swo?
2018-05-24T23:26:54 < Ecco> Also, why not standard arm debug port?
2018-05-24T23:27:11 < zyp> size, presumably
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2018-05-24T23:27:26 < Ecco> I doubt it's larger than the 2.54mm header
2018-05-24T23:27:46 < Ecco> maybe a little
2018-05-24T23:28:14 < Ecco> Now that's a good question: how many devices actually use the standard header?
2018-05-24T23:28:23 < Ecco> I don't remember seeing any ST dev board with one of those
2018-05-24T23:28:52 < Ecco> Even the STLink itself doesn't come with the right adapter, does it?
2018-05-24T23:28:55 < zyp> which standard header? I have some ST stuff with the old 2x20 connector
2018-05-24T23:29:07 < zyp> sorry, 2x10
2018-05-24T23:29:08 < upgrdman> emeb, why put kicad on the pcb?
2018-05-24T23:29:09 < zyp> so 20-pin
2018-05-24T23:29:17 < Ecco> well, the one ARM recommand
2018-05-24T23:29:20 < upgrdman> not that i hate kicad, but like why list a tool on the pcb
2018-05-24T23:29:20 < Ecco> Semtec
2018-05-24T23:29:32 < Ecco> arm serial wire debug connector
2018-05-24T23:29:38 < Ecco> sorry
2018-05-24T23:29:39 < Ecco> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.faqs/attached/13634/cortex_debug_connectors.pdf
2018-05-24T23:29:56 < Ecco> Image on second page
2018-05-24T23:30:07 < emeb> zyp: does the L432 have SWO pin?
2018-05-24T23:31:08 < emeb> yeah - PB3/pin 26
2018-05-24T23:31:16 < zyp> I assumed so, since it's M4
2018-05-24T23:31:30 < emeb> Just left it off because I hardly ever use it and wanted to squeeze the board down.
2018-05-24T23:31:44 < zyp> fair enough
2018-05-24T23:31:45 < stvn> Get off my train
2018-05-24T23:31:56 < zyp> I don't use it either, just feels wrong to leave it out :)
2018-05-24T23:32:06 < emeb> yeah, kinda does.
2018-05-24T23:32:10 < Ecco> oh, by the way, I 've always wondered: is there a noticeable difference between all the available Cortex debuggers?
2018-05-24T23:32:20 < emeb> I always put it on my other F4/F7 designs
2018-05-24T23:32:25 < Ecco> I mean, how is a Segger J-Link different from a chinese $1 STLink clone
2018-05-24T23:32:47 < stvn> The Chinese clone spyware
2018-05-24T23:32:52 < zyp> Ecco, I used to use the new standard 10-pin
2018-05-24T23:32:55 < stvn> Stealing your innovation
2018-05-24T23:33:02 < Ecco> zyp: and you stopped?
2018-05-24T23:33:17 < emeb> and yeah - 5-pin ST-style SWD connector because I mostly use ST-Link for my development
2018-05-24T23:33:33 < emeb> and the mini-10-pin JTAG ports are a hassle to deal with.
2018-05-24T23:33:50 < zyp> Ecco, on stuff I design for myself I just use TC2030-CTX-NL nowadays
2018-05-24T23:34:04 < Ecco> emeb: I don't know, I find them a lot easier to plug/unplug than a row of 2.54mm headers
2018-05-24T23:34:10  * Ecco googles TC2030-CTX-NL
2018-05-24T23:34:18 < emeb> Ecco: to each his own.
2018-05-24T23:34:41 < emeb> I just like the convenience of the cabling and cheap 0.1" headers.
2018-05-24T23:35:00 < Ecco> I agree, I guess it depends on your use case. 0.1" headers are cheap and ubiquitous, that's a granted
2018-05-24T23:35:18 < Ecco> I keep changing dev board, so ease of plug is a major concern for me
2018-05-24T23:35:59 < zyp> I basically got a tag-connect cable the first time I made a 100-series of boards, to save having to put swd sockets on each
2018-05-24T23:36:06 < emeb> and for the cabling I already have a box full of these: https://store.digilentinc.com/pmod-cable-kit-6-pin/
2018-05-24T23:36:36 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/QTIae.JPG <- I still have the footprint on the latest board revision because I don't need the area for anything else
2018-05-24T23:36:53 < zyp> but only the first prototypes I hand assembled actually have that populated
2018-05-24T23:39:25 < zyp> on newer designs I've only got the tag-connect, to save space
2018-05-24T23:39:34 < zyp> e.g. https://bin.jvnv.net/file/crJLt.JPG
2018-05-24T23:39:41 < stvn> Ty
2018-05-24T23:39:54 < zyp> or https://bin.jvnv.net/file/NjEyT.JPG
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2018-05-24T23:40:56 < stvn> There needs to be an arcin website :D
2018-05-24T23:41:07 < zyp> nah
2018-05-24T23:41:41 < stvn> :3
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2018-05-24T23:42:14 < stvn> I guess the TV ad will be nice
2018-05-24T23:43:09 < stvn> I want to build arcade but crt  arcade monitor start at $1000 for the last new ones in existence
2018-05-24T23:46:07 < zyp> modern arcade machines are all lcds anyway
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2018-05-24T23:48:15 < emeb> why would you use a CRT? Just retro feel?
2018-05-24T23:48:54 < stvn> So it doesn’t look like a stuttering mess
2018-05-24T23:48:57 < R0b0t1``> srk: Not to waste your time but what is the major change in i2c? Can you guess as to justification?
2018-05-24T23:49:08 < R0b0t1``> Or is there no obvious benefit and maybe they just found cheaper IP?
2018-05-24T23:50:25 < R0b0t1``> zyp: Why did you link that development board?
2018-05-24T23:51:09 < srk> R0b0t1``: the IP seems completely different from the users point of view. much simpler than previous i2c
2018-05-24T23:51:13 < zyp> R0b0t1``, what development board?
2018-05-24T23:51:25 < srk> you just fill buffer and tell it the size of it
2018-05-24T23:51:52 < srk> before there were some weird states
2018-05-24T23:51:56 < R0b0t1``> zyp: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/stm32l432breakout/index.html
2018-05-24T23:52:00 < R0b0t1``> Is that your wobsite?
2018-05-24T23:52:07 < zyp> I didn't post that
2018-05-24T23:52:17 < R0b0t1``> Ah it was emeb 
2018-05-24T23:52:17 < stvn> Lol
2018-05-24T23:52:22 < emeb> :)
2018-05-24T23:52:24 < R0b0t1``> Sorry zyp 
2018-05-24T23:52:30 < stvn> Good morning Steffanx
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2018-05-25T00:09:47 < Steffanx> Welcome The StVn
2018-05-25T00:10:32 < Steffanx> Can i buy a crt?
2018-05-25T00:13:11 < stvn> Ya
2018-05-25T00:13:55 < stvn> The express train
2018-05-25T00:14:45 < Steffanx> Pumper Express?
2018-05-25T00:14:45 < stvn> Hong Kong
2018-05-25T00:14:52 < stvn> Lol
2018-05-25T00:16:48 < stvn> What are you doing mate
2018-05-25T00:17:37 < englishman> ⛽
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2018-05-25T00:20:18 < kakimir> https://i.imgur.com/AjrcQjF.jpg
2018-05-25T00:20:35 < kakimir> friends previa is changing
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2018-05-25T00:22:52 < englishman> cool
2018-05-25T00:24:35 < antto> !wz varna
2018-05-25T00:24:37 < englishbot> [Varna, Bulgaria] Clear. Temp is 18.8°C. Humidity: 63%.
2018-05-25T00:25:10 < Steffanx> !wz haoh
2018-05-25T00:25:13 < englishbot> [Haohan, China] Overcast. Temp is 19°C. NNE wind: 5 kph.
2018-05-25T00:25:35 < stvn> Is that your tractor kakimir
2018-05-25T00:25:41 < upgrdman> !wz bumfuck
2018-05-25T00:25:42 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-05-25T00:25:48 < upgrdman> heh
2018-05-25T00:26:21 < kakimir> !wz NZIR
2018-05-25T00:26:23 < englishbot> [NZIR, (null)] . Temp is -25.1°C. Humidity: 77%.
2018-05-25T00:26:30 < Steffanx> What i am doing stVn? Entertaining you.
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2018-05-25T00:27:04 < stvn> Yeah muscles
2018-05-25T00:27:07 < emeb> !wz sprinfield
2018-05-25T00:27:07 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-05-25T00:27:15 < Steffanx> G
2018-05-25T00:27:15 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Runway
2018-05-25T00:27:30 < emeb> !wz eugene
2018-05-25T00:27:31 < englishbot> [Eugene, Oregon] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 22.1°C. North wind: 1.9 kph. Humidity: 62%.
2018-05-25T00:27:38 < emeb> close enough
2018-05-25T00:27:49 < emeb> !mesa
2018-05-25T00:27:53 < emeb> !wz mesa
2018-05-25T00:27:54 < englishbot> [Mesagne, Italy] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 19.9°C. NNE wind: 3.2 kph. Humidity: 82%.
2018-05-25T00:27:57 < emeb> lol
2018-05-25T00:29:06 < Steffanx> !wz emeb
2018-05-25T00:29:07 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-05-25T00:29:28 < emeb> yes, I am my own weather microclimate
2018-05-25T00:29:35 < englishman> !wz mesa, az
2018-05-25T00:29:36 < englishbot> [Mesa, Arizona] Clear. Temp is 39.2°C but feels like 36°C. South wind: 9.0 kph.
2018-05-25T00:29:40 < englishman> yikes
2018-05-25T00:29:50 < emeb> some like it hot
2018-05-25T00:30:11 < englishman> that is amd cpu hot
2018-05-25T00:30:32 < emeb> that's why I spend half the year indoors with the A/C running
2018-05-25T00:31:11 < englishman> the other half indoors, without the ac running
2018-05-25T00:31:23 < emeb> pretty much ;)
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2018-05-25T01:12:30 < Laurenceb_> sup incels
2018-05-25T01:12:51 < stvn> Gooday sport
2018-05-25T01:13:07 < stvn> Those bloody whinging poms
2018-05-25T01:14:52 < Laurenceb_> the internet is the cauldron from which all modern-day horror comes crawling from; attempting to make contact and spread its code-birthed contagion as far as it can. Let’s be crystal here — not only have I never been on a Reddit or a 4chan, but I don’t even tweet, and it’s because that shit is truly beneath me
2018-05-25T01:15:56 < Laurenceb_> irc confirmed as le secrit club
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2018-05-25T01:30:03 < stvn> Heh
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2018-05-25T01:30:21 < stvn> Sup dr.b
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2018-05-25T01:39:55 < stvn> Muh heritage
2018-05-25T01:40:15 < stvn> Laurence has the Big Ben
2018-05-25T01:40:34 < stvn> I have the nylex clock
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2018-05-25T02:18:48 < jadew`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm8f5Kj_CrY
2018-05-25T02:19:04 < jadew`> the whole channel is about eating very old food
2018-05-25T02:19:30 < jadew`> has the feel of one of those made up TV stations in rick & morty
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2018-05-25T02:34:03 < Laurenceb_> tfw "Childish Gambino" has more of a paunch than me
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2018-05-25T02:40:45 < Laurenceb_> I mean seriously that guy needs to work otu
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2018-05-25T02:43:34 < bitmask> really? apple won 540 mill from samsung?
2018-05-25T02:50:37 < Laurenceb_> >think I need to work out
2018-05-25T02:50:47 < Laurenceb_> >watch rap video and guy is more unfit than me
2018-05-25T02:57:36 < englishman> check out rick ross then
2018-05-25T03:11:01 < karlp> srk: if you'd read, I was only interested in the dwc_otg_fs core, which is mean to be ~same, except newer, (already handled, because f469 has that version) and it has more endpoints.
2018-05-25T03:13:22 < karlp> R0b0t1: re teh i2c periph at least, f3,f0,l0,l4,f7 all have hte "v2" peripheral, f1,l1,f4 all have the "v1" peripheral
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2018-05-25T03:37:00 < PeterM> wz penrith, australia
2018-05-25T03:37:05 < PeterM> !wz penrith, australia
2018-05-25T03:37:07 < englishbot> [Penrith, Australia] Overcast. Temp is 17.1°C. Humidity: 63%.
2018-05-25T03:39:06 < Laurenceb_> rip totalbiscuit
2018-05-25T03:39:21 < Laurenceb_> we will nevar forget the shitposting
2018-05-25T03:41:02 < PeterM> the ass cancer finally get him?
2018-05-25T03:41:22 < Laurenceb_> yes
2018-05-25T03:43:00 < Laurenceb_> http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114035.png
2018-05-25T03:43:01 < Laurenceb_> F
2018-05-25T03:43:53 < englishman> ass cancer at 33
2018-05-25T03:44:16 < Laurenceb_> >clearly not anything to do with his unhealthy lifestyle and junk food diet
2018-05-25T03:44:35 < PeterM> probably wasnt tbh
2018-05-25T03:44:41 < Laurenceb_> >As his soul exits his body he sees a light at the end of a tunnel 
2018-05-25T03:44:49 < Laurenceb_> >Complains about the low FOV making him sick
2018-05-25T03:45:07 < Laurenceb_> PeterM is Sophie Hagen confirmed
2018-05-25T03:45:46 < PeterM> laurenceb_ is amy schumer confirmed
2018-05-25T03:46:04 < Laurenceb_> that doesnt even make sense
2018-05-25T03:46:38 < Laurenceb_> Sophie Hagen is "being obese is healthy"
2018-05-25T03:46:39 < PeterM> it means you're not funny
2018-05-25T03:47:22 < englishman> wow that was good peeterm
2018-05-25T03:47:28 < englishman> chuckled irl
2018-05-25T03:47:29 < Laurenceb_> >tfw I could get cancer and die being even more of a loser than totalbiscuit
2018-05-25T03:47:46 < PeterM> obese isnt healthy, but its health implications dont relate to cancer
2018-05-25T03:48:10 < Laurenceb_> wut
2018-05-25T03:48:22 < R0b0t1> karlp: I see. I'd only ever used the v2, where it's like a UART with no state really
2018-05-25T03:48:27 < Laurenceb_> citation required
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2018-05-25T03:51:23 < Laurenceb_> wtf all totalbiscuit youtube comments scrubbed
2018-05-25T03:51:33 < Laurenceb_> >when u died all ur youtube shit is autodeleted
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2018-05-25T03:53:19 < Laurenceb_> holy shit that was brutal https://mobile.twitter.com/TheXenonn/status/999788053521575937/photo/1
2018-05-25T03:53:31 < Laurenceb_> >first comment on twitter
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2018-05-25T03:54:21 < Laurenceb_> when u get irl trolled at ur funeral
2018-05-25T03:58:49 < PeterM> Laurenceb_ how long ago did you move out? when you went into tertiary education or when you finished?
2018-05-25T03:59:18 < Laurenceb_> move out? what of my mums basement?
2018-05-25T03:59:28 < Laurenceb_> >implying I dont still live there
2018-05-25T04:00:30 < PeterM> nah but legit, i assume you play the role of a functioning human when around others
2018-05-25T04:00:48 < Laurenceb_> sometimes...
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2018-05-25T04:06:09 < Laurenceb_> ok tiem to turn out the lights in the basement
2018-05-25T04:06:12 < Laurenceb_> night trolls
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2018-05-25T09:18:26 < jadew> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/6105902/Moon-rock-given-to-Holland-by-Neil-Armstrong-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html
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2018-05-25T09:29:45 < Haohmaru> heart -> broken
2018-05-25T09:30:20 < jpa-> why is the code behind C++ STL such shit?
2018-05-25T09:30:41 < jpa-> i mean, why cannot it be written in a way that can be understood?
2018-05-25T09:30:45 < jadew> jpa-, I wondered that myself
2018-05-25T09:30:52 < jadew> I think it has to do with their coding standard
2018-05-25T09:30:59 < jadew> that's how they're supposed to write it
2018-05-25T09:33:54 < Haohmaru> grandma, why r ur teeth so big?
2018-05-25T09:34:09 < jadew> so I can chew you better?
2018-05-25T09:34:20 < Haohmaru> - coz i hide some NSA rootkits behind them sweetheart
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2018-05-25T09:34:53 < Haohmaru> i'm kidding ;P~
2018-05-25T09:41:04 < jpa-> i'd like to just use std::ostream in my code, but as soon as i include it, the fragile gcc/nuttx/libc++ combo breaks down and i have to dive into this stl crap to debug it.. so perhaps i just should reimplement std::ostream myself
2018-05-25T09:41:47 < jadew> why does it break down?
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2018-05-25T09:51:32 < Haohmaru> ostream is nice
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2018-05-25T09:57:24 < jpa-> jadew: undefined references to some exception stuff, as i have exceptions disabled
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2018-05-25T10:05:18 < m4t> stub it out?
2018-05-25T10:07:24 < jpa-> i would, but i can't figure out head and tails from this code.. so it seems i'll be unable to debug it once it will break in truly unexpected ways, and i'm better off not using it
2018-05-25T10:09:19 < jpa-> https://github.com/llvm-mirror/libcxx/blob/master/include/ostream    somehow it ends up pulling in the runtime_error class, which then has undefined references - but IMO it shouldn't even be pulling in that class as i have exceptions disabled
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2018-05-25T10:14:38 < Haohmaru> i remember seeing some stuff that had dummy implementations of new/delete and also something related to exceptions, gxx_personality, blahblah
2018-05-25T10:15:06 < Haohmaru> don't remember if it was for arm or avr
2018-05-25T10:16:08 < jpa-> yeah, been there, done such crap myself also
2018-05-25T10:16:27 < jpa-> takes a ton of time to figure it out and it often causes surprising failures down the line when you want to upgrade compiler etc.
2018-05-25T10:17:40 < Haohmaru> which version are you using?
2018-05-25T10:18:09 < Haohmaru> gcc i assume
2018-05-25T10:19:39 < jpa-> 2017-q2
2018-05-25T10:20:07 < Haohmaru> well, that smells like new
2018-05-25T10:20:41 < Haohmaru> i switched to gcc 7.3.0 and C++17 for avr stuffz
2018-05-25T10:20:55 < Haohmaru> oh noes, i said avr
2018-05-25T10:21:01 < Steffanx> Didnt you once try this embedded stl which wasnt really meant for stm32 type embedded?
2018-05-25T10:22:01 < Steffanx> You = jpa- 
2018-05-25T10:26:03 < veverak> hmm, I need interrupts manual or something. Got a project (generated by cubemx) on stm32l432kc, I would like to use HAL_UART_Transmit_IT()/HAl_I2C_Master_Transmit_IT(). However something is wrong. I have an CMSIS thread, that executes UART transmit and should osSignalWait after the command for a flag. That flag is osSignalSet by HAL's interrupt callback for UART.
2018-05-25T10:26:06 < veverak> however
2018-05-25T10:27:07 < veverak> Once I execute the code, the code does not stop at the osSignalWait spot, continues and once the interrupt for the UART transmit arrives, the callback is executed and than immedietly entire thing goes into WWDG_IRQHandler
2018-05-25T10:28:56 < jpa-> Steffanx: yes.. but gave that up also
2018-05-25T10:30:55 < dongs> fucking gdpr emails
2018-05-25T10:31:42  * Haohmaru gives dongs a shovel
2018-05-25T10:38:24 < jadew> dongs, problem is you have to go through all of them
2018-05-25T10:38:29 < dongs> why
2018-05-25T10:38:32 < dongs> surely not
2018-05-25T10:38:43 < jadew> if you don't, they'll remove your contact informatiohn
2018-05-25T10:38:46 < jadew> *information
2018-05-25T10:38:54 < dongs> so far all the fags sending me gpdr shit is just spam i didnt want in teh first place
2018-05-25T10:38:57 < dongs> eys
2018-05-25T10:38:59 < jadew> ah
2018-05-25T10:39:00 < dongs> yes
2018-05-25T10:39:13 < jadew> I get it from legit sources and didn't reply yet
2018-05-25T10:39:23 < jadew> I'll probably do them all today
2018-05-25T10:39:31 < dongs> i got one from gitlab and i dont remember using them for anything useful
2018-05-25T10:39:44 < dongs> other shit was just spam places
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2018-05-25T10:47:49 < dongs> god damn the new snap shit in altium schematic is annoying as fuck
2018-05-25T10:47:54 < dongs> its broken and shitty
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2018-05-25T10:54:41 < kakimir> what is the best rs232 - logic adapter ic
2018-05-25T10:54:45 < kakimir> ?
2018-05-25T10:55:40 < ohsix> cp2102
2018-05-25T10:55:53 < jadew> don't know if the best but the most widely used is probably the max232
2018-05-25T10:56:11 < ohsix> ooooooooh
2018-05-25T10:56:21 < ohsix> do you actually need rs232 voltage levels?
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2018-05-25T10:59:07 < kakimir> I would preffer at least to use max3232
2018-05-25T10:59:26 < kakimir> ohsix, well rs232 implies it
2018-05-25T11:00:05 < kakimir> hmm
2018-05-25T11:00:23 < kakimir> I have actually build a rs232 adapter myself
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2018-05-25T11:00:36 < ohsix> they've got ones with charge pumps in them that'll swing the whole way; but stuff from the last 20 years is not picky
2018-05-25T11:00:36 < kakimir> I think I'll get it from my lab
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2018-05-25T11:01:16 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKM1pJMU8zUkk5Ync/view?usp=sharing
2018-05-25T11:01:27 < kakimir> SN75C3232
2018-05-25T11:01:36 < kakimir> seems to be the shit
2018-05-25T11:02:10 < kakimir> fiducials and shit.. so ridiculous board
2018-05-25T11:02:31 < kakimir> that size board is populated in panels with fiducials
2018-05-25T11:02:36 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?minPrice=&maxPrice=&isBigSale=n&isFreeShip=y&isNew=n&isFavorite=n&isMobileExclusive=n&SortType=price_asc&isUnitPrice=y&isLocalReturn=n&shipCountry=&shipFromCountry=&shipCompanies=&SearchText=rs232+ttl&CatId=0&g=n&needQuery=y
2018-05-25T11:03:07 < kakimir> yes.. that is exactly the bullshit why I made my own
2018-05-25T11:03:19 < ohsix> i remember the max232 being a dollar or something last time i needed one
2018-05-25T11:03:37 < kakimir> I remember it's like expensive
2018-05-25T11:03:46 < kakimir> and shit generally
2018-05-25T11:04:11 < kakimir> time to continue developing without serial today
2018-05-25T11:04:37 < Haohmaru> kakimir pls adjust yer 3D viewer settings
2018-05-25T11:04:46 < kakimir> my silabs cp201x is smoked
2018-05-25T11:05:13 < kakimir> Haohmaru, it's a buggy release of kicad
2018-05-25T11:05:21 < kakimir> no way to fix it
2018-05-25T11:05:31 < Haohmaru> aww
2018-05-25T11:06:10 < kakimir> actually I don't see a problem
2018-05-25T11:06:17 < kakimir> it was not during that project
2018-05-25T11:06:22 < Haohmaru> copper in the drills
2018-05-25T11:06:32 < jadew> damn.. a $20 caliper also has USB conectivity these days
2018-05-25T11:06:41 < kakimir> Haohmaru, okay it was buggy
2018-05-25T11:07:00 < Haohmaru> "Drills in Fill zones"
2018-05-25T11:07:02 < dongs> fucking french trash
2018-05-25T11:10:34 < kakimir> dongs has been activated
2018-05-25T11:12:31  * Haohmaru puts on his umbrella
2018-05-25T11:16:59 < dongs> fuck yes
2018-05-25T11:17:03 < dongs> totalbiscuit is dead
2018-05-25T11:17:14 < dongs> now if the rest of shitty fucking "youtubers" would die
2018-05-25T11:17:29 < kakimir> what is totalbiscuit
2018-05-25T11:17:36 < kakimir> and actually rip?
2018-05-25T11:17:37 < dongs> if you dont already know, dont bother.
2018-05-25T11:17:45 < dongs> just some shitty jewtueb jerk
2018-05-25T11:17:48 < dongs> yeah, rip
2018-05-25T11:17:54 < dongs> cancer or something.
2018-05-25T11:19:42 < jadew> think the case on this caliper is metal? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-quality-metal-electronic-vernier-caliper-caliper-digital-vernier-caliper-caliper-150mm/32813605887.html
2018-05-25T11:19:58 < dongs> thats way too expensive
2018-05-25T11:20:12 < kakimir> jadew, nope
2018-05-25T11:20:14 < dongs> https://hobbyking.com/en_us/hobbykingtm-digital-vernier-calipers-150mm.html?___store=en_us hmm wow shit went way up
2018-05-25T11:20:19 < dongs> i think i paid < $10 for sure
2018-05-25T11:20:45 < jadew> dongs, I have a really cheap one
2018-05-25T11:20:47 < jadew> plastic
2018-05-25T11:21:05 < jadew> it's fine, but only has 0.1 mm resolution
2018-05-25T11:21:33 < dongs> the hobbydong shit i have is 0.01
2018-05-25T11:21:50 < dongs> ive never acutally seen 0.1 shit
2018-05-25T11:40:51 < stvn> Digital
2018-05-25T11:59:01 < Rajko> https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/999619364541394944?s=21
2018-05-25T12:00:12 < dongs> sweet
2018-05-25T12:00:43 < Haohmaru> of course, the manufacturers of IoT dev kits don't loose
2018-05-25T12:00:53 < Haohmaru> only the so called "makers" do >:)
2018-05-25T12:05:58 < invzim> got my metal calipers for cheaps, use it all the time
2018-05-25T12:06:27 < invzim> I'm sure it's not up to "shop" standards, but I find it incredibly usable
2018-05-25T12:06:28 < dongs> i used my hobbyking shit to measure 0.35mm pitch socket
2018-05-25T12:06:29 < dongs> so it cant be that bad
2018-05-25T12:07:22 < invzim> I don't have the skills how to use one 'properly' anyway, I just measure stuff - haven't found anything wrong with it
2018-05-25T12:07:55 < dongs> are you uploadingt your measurements to the cloud using ESP14/88?
2018-05-25T12:07:58 < dongs> if not, then youre not using it correctly
2018-05-25T12:08:08 < Haohmaru> hahahaha
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2018-05-25T12:15:36 < stvn> the iot 
2018-05-25T12:17:44 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtYF_9e2azE
2018-05-25T12:18:10 < invzim> can still be had for cheaps, this is the one I got https://www.ebay.com/itm/150mm-6-Metal-Casing-LCD-Electronic-Digital-Vernier-Caliper-Gauge-Micrometer/312048830008?hash=item48a78f4638:g:vScAAOSwe6ZaYbcr
2018-05-25T12:18:22 < dongs> is that the one wiht a hidden uart
2018-05-25T12:18:27 < dongs> to grab the measurement from
2018-05-25T12:18:32 < dongs> anyway, yeah, thats the normal price for chink shit
2018-05-25T12:19:01 < dongs> https://www.ebay.com/itm/digital_electronic_rite/401499458620? haha
2018-05-25T12:19:06 < stvn> if i was to do a mass shooting i'd play this on a megaphone running of a tesla battery
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2018-05-25T12:49:32 < dongs> https://www.asus.com/us/Sound-Cards/Xonar_Essence_STX/
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2018-05-25T12:50:56 < stvn> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha op amp socket....
2018-05-25T12:51:13 < dongs> ^_^
2018-05-25T12:51:18 < dongs> COLOR UR SOUND BRO
2018-05-25T12:51:58 < dongs> https://www.asus.com/websites/global/products/zCDHPnfR1jymHK2f/01.jpg what the fuck is this?
2018-05-25T12:52:20 < dongs> oh. its some bullshit
2018-05-25T12:52:24 < dongs> thats explained abovce
2018-05-25T12:52:34 < stvn> can i stick a 1482 in there
2018-05-25T12:53:05 < BrainDamage> >Nichicon "Fine Gold" professional audio capacitors
2018-05-25T12:53:12 < stvn> or whatever the dual 741 is
2018-05-25T12:54:04 < stvn> no fine gold in the $150,000+ mixing consoles i've serviced
2018-05-25T12:58:19 < Haohmaru> rough gold?
2018-05-25T12:58:34 < Haohmaru> rusty bronze?
2018-05-25T12:58:48 < Haohmaru> aww, audiophool products
2018-05-25T13:00:02 < PeterM> stvn put a lm193 in there it'll be super coloured
2018-05-25T13:00:34 < dongs> LM1488
2018-05-25T13:00:42 < stvn> lol u
2018-05-25T13:00:50 < dongs> oh gawd that actually exists
2018-05-25T13:00:55 < dongs> a fucking RS232 driver too
2018-05-25T13:00:57 < dongs> attn kikemir
2018-05-25T13:01:20 < Haohmaru> kikimar
2018-05-25T13:01:37 < Haohmaru> mikirak
2018-05-25T13:01:39 < Haohmaru> damn
2018-05-25T13:01:46 < PeterM> the lm193 is a comparator, it is open collector out, im sure it will work, but it'll sound so fucking bad
2018-05-25T13:01:58 < PeterM> perfect!
2018-05-25T13:02:08 < Haohmaru> PeterM death metal fans won't hear anything wrong
2018-05-25T13:02:19 < PeterM> fuck off m8
2018-05-25T13:02:24 < Haohmaru> not sure how many of them are audiophools tho
2018-05-25T13:02:26 < dongs> < Haohmaru> death metal fans won't hear anything
2018-05-25T13:02:27 < dongs> ftfy
2018-05-25T13:02:41 < dongs> they're already deaf
2018-05-25T13:02:47 < PeterM> ^
2018-05-25T13:03:04 < Haohmaru> even if they weren't, that sh*t's basically noise anyway
2018-05-25T13:03:24 < PeterM> no worse than most modern music tbh
2018-05-25T13:03:36 < BrainDamage> it might actually really work
2018-05-25T13:03:49 < BrainDamage> if you crank the gain high enough, it becomes essentially a squarewave
2018-05-25T13:03:57 < BrainDamage> so the comparator wouldn't be too different ...
2018-05-25T13:04:02 < PeterM> nah it would work without
2018-05-25T13:04:16 < Haohmaru> BrainDamage of course.. did you think i was joking
2018-05-25T13:04:16 < PeterM> because i assume its ac coupled between stages
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2018-05-25T13:04:51 < PeterM> so it'll work fine on the lower half of the wave and be a bit ragged on the top half
2018-05-25T13:04:53 < BrainDamage> no, i mean that it'd be undistingusihable from an high gain amp
2018-05-25T13:04:54 < dongs> LM747
2018-05-25T13:05:06 < PeterM> true
2018-05-25T13:05:13 < PeterM> dongs LMH370
2018-05-25T13:07:13 < PeterM> unless you were serious about the actual lm747
2018-05-25T13:07:45 < dongs> 747 does exist
2018-05-25T13:07:50 < PeterM> i am aware
2018-05-25T13:07:54 < PeterM> so does mh370
2018-05-25T13:08:21 < Haohmaru> mmm, moar vintage opamps pls
2018-05-25T13:08:44 < Haohmaru> which opamp gives that fine 60s sound?
2018-05-25T13:08:49 < PeterM> jrc 4558
2018-05-25T13:08:52 < Haohmaru> or which capacitor
2018-05-25T13:09:08 < Haohmaru> nichicon sepia series?
2018-05-25T13:09:20 < Haohmaru> coz.. SEPIA makes everything vintage
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2018-05-25T13:09:36 < BrainDamage> >using awful sounding integrated opamps
2018-05-25T13:09:47 < BrainDamage> please, discrete opamps is where's at
2018-05-25T13:09:49 < BrainDamage> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/131856522176-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
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2018-05-25T13:09:59 < dongs> https://www.electrosmash.com/jrc4558-analysis
2018-05-25T13:10:13 < dongs> Some guitar players believe that the JRC4558D original chip from the 80s has superior sounding characteristics, especially when it is placed in certain pedals like the Tube Screamer. In this case, the op-amp is claimed to be the holy grail if you want to get the original vintage sound; many enthusiasts search and open mass produced electronics from the 70s and 80s looking for the original series chips. 
2018-05-25T13:10:19 < dongs> lmao
2018-05-25T13:10:21 < dongs> fucking autism
2018-05-25T13:10:46 < PeterM> they're like $0.15 in 1s from DK
2018-05-25T13:10:52 < PeterM> if they want them they can have them
2018-05-25T13:10:56 < dongs> not the 80's version
2018-05-25T13:11:03 < stvn> dongs: just 1 second of your time pls https://youtu.be/qHbkw0Gm7pk?t=12m20s
2018-05-25T13:11:14 < Haohmaru> yeah, they want the REAL VINTAGE ones
2018-05-25T13:11:17 < dongs> stvn, lol
2018-05-25T13:12:17 < PeterM> i'll turn a modern 4558 into a real vintage one for $5 per opamp
2018-05-25T13:12:29 < PeterM> ill jsut pour some dirt into the tube and give it a shake
2018-05-25T13:16:00 < jadew> anyone interested in some carburator floats? https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/7qEAAOSwhWFaVWjv/s-l1600.jpg
2018-05-25T13:16:19 < PeterM> no
2018-05-25T13:16:29 < stvn> PeterM: i'll buy 5 right now 
2018-05-25T13:16:29 < dongs> trash
2018-05-25T13:17:01 < PeterM> even the first implimentations of efi in the 80s were >>carburators
2018-05-25T13:18:06 < jadew> I've been out of high speed internet since yesterday
2018-05-25T13:18:15 < dongs> https://www.ebay.com/itm/lol/183172916948? haha
2018-05-25T13:19:25 < jadew> stvn, how much distortion is too much?
2018-05-25T13:19:35 < jadew> what's the dynamic range of the ear?
2018-05-25T13:19:49 < dongs> https://www.ebay.com/itm/401500438677 how does this even work
2018-05-25T13:19:53 < dongs> $.99 free shipping
2018-05-25T13:19:55 < Haohmaru> jadew 42
2018-05-25T13:20:00 < stvn> buy this you dirty jew https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AD1-Triode-Historische-Radiorohre-von-Valvo-ID18200/362072262527
2018-05-25T13:20:15 < jadew> Haohmaru, was going to guess something between 30 to 40 dB
2018-05-25T13:20:20 < jadew> but yeah, 42 sounds right
2018-05-25T13:20:34 < dongs> dynamic rage
2018-05-25T13:20:36 < Haohmaru> hahaha i just said it out of my a$$
2018-05-25T13:20:52 < Haohmaru> shouldn't it be more
2018-05-25T13:20:58 < jadew> Haohmaru, well, I don't think you're off by too much
2018-05-25T13:21:21 < PeterM> dongs not 4558s, likely a chinese mfgd lm358 repacked, they're like $0.01
2018-05-25T13:21:21 < Haohmaru> i should get a lottery ticket then
2018-05-25T13:21:43 < jadew> Haohmaru, would you be able to hear a sound when you have source of noise that's 10 000 times louder next to it?
2018-05-25T13:21:54 < PeterM> but the difference for most applications 0 difference between 358 and 4558
2018-05-25T13:22:01 < BrainDamage> jadew: depends on frequency separation
2018-05-25T13:22:11 < BrainDamage> otherwise, yes
2018-05-25T13:22:16 < Haohmaru> jadew louder?
2018-05-25T13:22:30 < BrainDamage> you have proximity masking on blocker signals
2018-05-25T13:23:18 < BrainDamage> the ear can achieve ~100dB dyn range in isolated environments, normally ~30-40 are eaten away from background noise
2018-05-25T13:24:06 < BrainDamage> cdroms have ~120dB dyn range thanks to sigma delta modulation, which is more than adequate to exceed ear characteristic, provided you don't reduce your ENOB by shitty mastering and you normalize to a level that's too low
2018-05-25T13:24:42 < BrainDamage> ( without sigma delta, it becomes 96 iirc, which is still pretty good, just not exceeding specs )
2018-05-25T13:25:02 < Haohmaru> i also knew it was closer to 100dB
2018-05-25T13:27:44 < Steffanx> In the usb world you have a vid/pid. Would it be a bad choice to use the same vid/pid for a bootloader (usb-serial/cdc) and the actual application: an HID thingie?
2018-05-25T13:28:19 < dongs> i dont see why it would need to be different
2018-05-25T13:28:40 < Haohmaru> if it was made by apple..
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2018-05-25T13:29:09 < Steffanx> Side story: silabs efm32 comes with a usb bootloader with default silabs owned vid/pid. But windows 10 sees it as some random ComNav GNSS receiver -_-
2018-05-25T13:29:12 < Haohmaru> but then i guess it wouldn't have been usb at all
2018-05-25T13:29:31 < Steffanx> Which makes windows install the wrong driver
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2018-05-25T13:30:00 < Laurenceb_> wtf I cant even
2018-05-25T13:30:00 < Haohmaru> windows just works maaan, u plug something - u get a driver installed automagically
2018-05-25T13:30:01 < dongs> so some shithead registered silabs vid/pid in an actual product and passed WHQL with it?
2018-05-25T13:30:02 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44250597
2018-05-25T13:30:04 < dongs> good job
2018-05-25T13:30:08 < Laurenceb_> this is front page news in uk
2018-05-25T13:30:11 < dongs> this better not be about shittybiscuit dying
2018-05-25T13:30:12 < Laurenceb_> I cant even
2018-05-25T13:30:14 < Steffanx> I guess dongs. I love it.
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2018-05-25T13:30:15 < dongs> oh it fucking is
2018-05-25T13:30:32 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: he is famous, I don't see why that's weird
2018-05-25T13:30:35 < Laurenceb_> >main news is talking about totalasscancer
2018-05-25T13:30:54 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: yeah but its like news item number 3 right now
2018-05-25T13:32:19 < Laurenceb_> sheet now its number 1 page on bbc news site
2018-05-25T13:32:34 < Laurenceb_> youtube business is serious business
2018-05-25T13:32:42 < Haohmaru> of course it is!
2018-05-25T13:33:23 < Haohmaru> pootube is the new TV
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2018-05-25T13:37:53 < stvn> DeadBiscuit
2018-05-25T13:40:57 < veverak> IT WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORKS
2018-05-25T13:41:15 < Haohmaru> veverak pics or it didn't happen
2018-05-25T13:41:38 < jadew> I'm back on high speed internet!
2018-05-25T13:41:41 < PeterM> what is "it"
2018-05-25T13:41:55 < veverak> Haohmaru: truth to be told, I am not sure pics of RGB sensor are of any use
2018-05-25T13:42:18 < jadew> BrainDamage, I really think those figures only hold in labs and with particular test signals
2018-05-25T13:42:37 < Haohmaru> veverak boriiiiiiing
2018-05-25T13:42:59 < veverak> (it detects color sequences and sends them on UART (can in future))
2018-05-25T13:43:02 < jadew> for regular use, I don't think the ear is anywhere near that sensitive
2018-05-25T13:43:07 < BrainDamage> jadew: as i said, 30-40 are normally eaten by the environment, but you can very much achieve 60dB no problem
2018-05-25T13:43:13 < veverak> (it can work with multiple sensors)
2018-05-25T13:43:13 < BrainDamage> your opinion is irrelevant
2018-05-25T13:43:20 < veverak> it has automatic i2c address assigment
2018-05-25T13:43:22  * veverak is happy
2018-05-25T13:45:08 < jadew> BrainDamage, my point is that for regular use (eg listening to music), you don't need better than 1% THD
2018-05-25T13:45:40 < dongs> veverak: sounds prety useless
2018-05-25T13:45:40 < jadew> with the implication that what the music tech industry is selling to their users is overpriced bullshit
2018-05-25T13:46:27 < veverak> dongs: it's what the goal was
2018-05-25T13:46:44 < veverak> dongs: create a chip, that has multiple rgb sensors, detects sequences of RGB leds and spawns that on CAN
2018-05-25T13:47:24 < veverak> (there is a device, that has leds, you want to know what the leds are blinking, you can't open the device -> you need sensors)
2018-05-25T13:48:36 < jadew> BrainDamage, I really don't think you can achieve 60 dB
2018-05-25T13:48:57 < jadew> and again, I'm talking about normal use
2018-05-25T13:49:55 < jadew> if those tests only took into account those 2 frequencies you can differentiate the best, then they have little value to the discussion, and I have no reason to believe that they didn't, because they obviously tried to find the absolute highest dynamic range
2018-05-25T13:51:11 < jadew> if you have a movie playing in the background, that's 60 dB louder than what you're trying to hear... it's just not going to happen
2018-05-25T13:51:50 < BrainDamage> so you're reinventing the definition of dynamic range?
2018-05-25T13:52:49 < BrainDamage> when you do, please let me hear when you have a formal definition
2018-05-25T13:53:00 < jadew> BrainDamage, isn't dynamic range the delta of what you can measure at the same time?
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2018-05-25T13:53:55 < BrainDamage> no
2018-05-25T13:54:01 < jadew> what then?
2018-05-25T13:54:04 < BrainDamage> that's instantaneous dynamic range
2018-05-25T13:54:17 < BrainDamage> it's just abs max - abs min, that's it
2018-05-25T13:54:40 < jadew> but that's absolutely useless for design purposes (for audio)
2018-05-25T13:54:47 < jadew> at least when you think about THD
2018-05-25T13:54:56 < BrainDamage> ... it's not. it's just overspeccing thing
2018-05-25T13:55:01 < jadew> because THD is measured in relation to another sound
2018-05-25T13:55:05 < BrainDamage> it's the opposite of useless
2018-05-25T13:55:25 < BrainDamage> if you match abs max, then you're guaranteed to satisfy even instantaneous, it's a stricter requirement
2018-05-25T13:55:38 < jadew> it's completely unrelated
2018-05-25T13:55:43 < BrainDamage> that's bullshit
2018-05-25T13:55:53 < PeterM> no jadew, its jsut a superset
2018-05-25T13:56:02 < jadew> you could have 1000 dB full dynamic range and only 10 dB instantaneous
2018-05-25T13:56:07 < BrainDamage> so?
2018-05-25T13:56:10 < jadew> why would you want to match the full dynamic range with THD?
2018-05-25T13:56:15 < jadew> it makes no sense
2018-05-25T13:56:22 < PeterM> if you meet the conditions of the superset then you are garanteed to meet the conditions of any subset
2018-05-25T13:56:35 < jadew> because THD is the ratio between additional noise and the sound you want to hear
2018-05-25T13:56:37 < BrainDamage> in reality the instantanous is about 20-30 dB lower, contetually
2018-05-25T13:56:56 < BrainDamage> THD is a monodymensionsional quantity
2018-05-25T13:57:16 < BrainDamage> as i mentioned before, if you you account psychoacoustic masking, the separation also does matter
2018-05-25T13:57:46 < BrainDamage> and it's really no surprise, you're taking a bidimensional problem and discarding one axis
2018-05-25T13:58:07 < karlp> BrainDamage: omg, where did you get that discrete opamp pic from?
2018-05-25T13:58:29 < BrainDamage> but the error that you commit is generally not large enough to be a problem
2018-05-25T13:58:41 < karlp> oh boi, nvm, even orange has them: https://orangeamps.com/product/op-amp/
2018-05-25T13:58:45 < jadew> I'm not discarding it and sure the dynamic range is going to varry with frequency, but it's still not going to be the full dynamic range
2018-05-25T13:58:52 < jadew> so it's pointless to take that into account
2018-05-25T13:59:12 < jadew> we can only measure a small window around the maximum intensity that we hear
2018-05-25T13:59:19 < BrainDamage> wrong
2018-05-25T13:59:21 < jadew> the target THD should be based on that
2018-05-25T13:59:46  * karlp just lost all respect for orange.
2018-05-25T13:59:51 < BrainDamage> even accounting psychoacoustic masking, as I said you lose 30-40dB or so from background
2018-05-25T14:00:02 < BrainDamage> you're still left with 60
2018-05-25T14:00:12 < BrainDamage> you have a signal generator, just do your own tests
2018-05-25T14:00:17 < BrainDamage> unless your ears are bust
2018-05-25T14:00:22 < PeterM> karlp tbh they arent that expensive to some ive see ($200+), and they probably do have advantages (more current outpout)
2018-05-25T14:00:28 < jadew> they're not, I'll give it a try, and report back
2018-05-25T14:00:40 < zyp> haha, discrete opamp
2018-05-25T14:00:46 < BrainDamage> make sure it's a double-blind test ...
2018-05-25T14:00:57 < BrainDamage> or you'll start placeboing the tresholds
2018-05-25T14:01:15 < BrainDamage> and given that you're so hell bent on your idea, you surely will
2018-05-25T14:01:17 < Haohmaru> placebo is essential for audiophools!
2018-05-25T14:02:21 < BrainDamage> PeterM: ADSL line drivers
2018-05-25T14:02:24 < PeterM> if a tree falls in an anechoic chamberand nobodys around to hear it, does it make a sound?
2018-05-25T14:02:35 < jadew> I have to run for now, but I'll give it a try in a couple of hours
2018-05-25T14:02:38 < BrainDamage> they have INSANE slew rate and current capabilities
2018-05-25T14:02:58 < PeterM> the same could be said for sparkgaps...
2018-05-25T14:02:59 < BrainDamage> unfortunately, most of them are gone as integrated solutions appeared
2018-05-25T14:03:22 < BrainDamage> they make pretty good headphone amps
2018-05-25T14:03:32 < Haohmaru> PeterM 50/50
2018-05-25T14:04:54 < dongs> The Dual Discrete op-amp is specially designed for audio and is among the most musical sounding dual discrete op-amps out there. It is available in DIP 8 format and can be used in any CD player, DAC, or preamplifier that currently runs DIP 8 based IC dual op-amp types.
2018-05-25T14:05:02 < dongs> The overall soundstage and transient detail will be greatly improved when used in pretty much all audio equipment that it can physically be fitted to. It has a very low noise Jfet front end so it can run with input impedances above 1M Ohms if needed. It can replace the following, provided the equipment it’s being used in has 22mm of height clearance and 5mm side clearance (per side).
2018-05-25T14:05:08 < dongs> haha, wider soundstage
2018-05-25T14:07:05 < Haohmaru> rotate the EGGCELENCE knob to 11 pls
2018-05-25T14:07:06 < Haohmaru> \o/
2018-05-25T14:07:54 < Haohmaru> dongs have you seen coconut-audio?
2018-05-25T14:07:58 < karlp> PeterM: sure, but that's just stockholm syndrome, or probably some better syndrome.  there's no need to apologize for people making a "less silly" audiophool silliness
2018-05-25T14:08:48 < zyp> I worked on some audiophool stuff a while ago
2018-05-25T14:08:56 < Haohmaru> shame on you
2018-05-25T14:09:22 < zyp> idk, it paid my bills
2018-05-25T14:09:44 < Haohmaru> were you the "HIFI-Santa" by any chance?
2018-05-25T14:10:13 < dongs> what would a nigga do with an ADSL line driver
2018-05-25T14:10:15 < dongs> wehn not driving adsl
2018-05-25T14:10:33 < dongs> use it to widen my asshole^Wsoundstage?
2018-05-25T14:10:39 < zyp> wasn't really anything audiophool about what I did, I did some hardware changes to an existing design to adapt to a new interface, and then the corresponding firmware
2018-05-25T14:11:08 < Haohmaru> okay, u can pass
2018-05-25T14:13:02 < PeterM> just thinking about how i could stick an ADSL line driver on my shitty adsl modem to pick up some uplaod speed lol
2018-05-25T14:13:25 < dongs> i need to cancel my adsl one of thse days
2018-05-25T14:13:44 < dongs> the gigabit wireless link i did has completely replaced it and hasn't been down since it turned on
2018-05-25T14:13:52 < zyp> I cancelled my internet the other day
2018-05-25T14:13:59 < dongs> did you switch to LTE?
2018-05-25T14:14:38 < zyp> no, the other company that I signed with last year called me and told me they're sending a guy to put in the new line now
2018-05-25T14:15:08 < Haohmaru> what was this adsl thing
2018-05-25T14:15:16  * Haohmaru haz fib0r
2018-05-25T14:15:20 < zyp> when I signed the contract in june last year, the guy estimated three months
2018-05-25T14:15:32 < zyp> turning out it's more like 12
2018-05-25T14:15:38 < dongs> lolwat
2018-05-25T14:16:18 < zyp> they're running new fiber to the entire area, and I guess everything got delayed a bit, and then winter came and made it impossible to dig
2018-05-25T14:16:23 < Haohmaru> fiber-epileptycal
2018-05-25T14:16:24 < BrainDamage> dongs: normally headphone amps need to use opamps with good slew rate due to low impedance of headphones, typically the solution is to add a small current buffer afterwards, an adsl line driver is an opamp with a huge slew rate, so no buffering
2018-05-25T14:16:36 < BrainDamage> cheaper, more compact, etc
2018-05-25T14:16:51 < zyp> they were digging outside the house a couple of weeks ago, so the cable is sitting in a coil outside the wall now
2018-05-25T14:17:08 < BrainDamage> but it's ADSL, not 'pro-audio', hence shunned from the audiophile community, despite having better specs
2018-05-25T14:17:26 < dongs> haha.
2018-05-25T14:18:41 < stvn> BrainDamage: you forgot the vacuum tube mate
2018-05-25T14:18:49 < stvn> a headphone amp needs that too!
2018-05-25T14:19:08 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/totalbiscuit/status/5480297275
2018-05-25T14:20:14 < stvn> remember britbong laurence
2018-05-25T14:20:28 < stvn> trolled the biscuit when he got the cansir cause that twitter post
2018-05-25T14:24:02 < BrainDamage> stvn: the best are the tube amps that pride themselves in their low distortion, ... why the fuck are you using a tube then? to warm the room?
2018-05-25T14:24:21 < stvn> literally warm the room
2018-05-25T14:24:37 < stvn> 4 EL34 tubes 
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2018-05-25T14:24:47 < BrainDamage> yes, to have low distortion you need to throw the bias point strongly class A region
2018-05-25T14:24:47 < stvn> i think from memory 1.7a @ 6.3v a piece
2018-05-25T14:24:53 < stvn> for the filaments
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2018-05-25T14:25:13 < stvn> then the actual bias current etc etc
2018-05-25T14:25:43 < stvn> theres ya farken warm sound mate
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2018-05-25T14:28:39 < stvn> u wan buy http://www.44bx.com/leak/PointOne2.html
2018-05-25T14:30:09 < karlp> heh, closed a card after some fraud and filed for a fraud chargeback.
2018-05-25T14:30:32 < karlp> apparently the "vendor" has objected and said, "no no, this is legit, here's our records and the delivery signature and we've delivered it and everything"
2018-05-25T14:30:51 < dongs> to somewhre in nigeria?
2018-05-25T14:31:03 < stvn> yeah what is this about
2018-05-25T14:31:15 < stvn> did those pesky nigerians contact you ?
2018-05-25T14:31:30 < karlp> no delivered to what looks like a reshipping agency in florida
2018-05-25T14:32:12 < karlp> a fucking engine no less.
2018-05-25T14:32:18 < dongs> lolwat
2018-05-25T14:32:21 < karlp> purchased delivered and signed for in less than 24 hours
2018-05-25T14:32:21 < dongs> like car engine/
2018-05-25T14:32:24 < karlp> yep
2018-05-25T14:32:28 < karlp> "world wide diesel"
2018-05-25T14:32:50 < karlp> "1x Remanufactured Detroit Series 60 12.7 Liter DDEC IV Diesel Engine."
2018-05-25T14:32:52 < zyp> so are they scammers or did they get scammed?
2018-05-25T14:33:03 < karlp> no idea, don't realllllly care,
2018-05-25T14:33:11 < zyp> fair enough
2018-05-25T14:33:30 < karlp> I bet they got scammed, but their card services agent is pretty shit if they accepted the card with no cvc and a bogus billing address
2018-05-25T14:33:42 < PeterM> karlp how much? like $10k+?
2018-05-25T14:33:43 < dongs> that would be $2995.00 plz
2018-05-25T14:33:49 < dongs> https://worldwidediesel.com/shop/remanufactured-detroit-series-60-12-7-liter-ddec-iv-diesel-engine-cylinder-head/
2018-05-25T14:33:52 < dongs> apparently this
2018-05-25T14:33:52 < karlp> $1000.00 on the dot
2018-05-25T14:34:04 < PeterM> wow thats cheap incl shipping
2018-05-25T14:34:05 < karlp> so yeah, they're in on it?
2018-05-25T14:34:24 < zyp> couple of years ago, I suddenly had about 1k EUR in charges on my credit card
2018-05-25T14:34:50 < zyp> across four charges from what looked to be some UK online stores or something
2018-05-25T14:35:53 < zyp> filed a report with the bank, they closed the card and gave me my money back
2018-05-25T14:36:38 < zyp> and a couple of weeks later one of the charges got refunded, so I somehow got a double refund for that
2018-05-25T14:37:08 < jadew> BrainDamage, I didn't have to leave afterall and did the experiment
2018-05-25T14:37:13 < jadew> wanna guess the results?
2018-05-25T14:37:21 < zyp> I notified the bank about that, but they didn't seem to care all that much about it
2018-05-25T14:37:47 < zyp> and in the end nothing happened, so I somehow kept that double refund
2018-05-25T14:38:49 < jadew> BrainDamage, I set up the experiment as follows: I measured the input impedance of my audio device, set my sig gen accordingly
2018-05-25T14:38:54 < stvn> let's buy an amplifier
2018-05-25T14:39:26 < jadew> put through it a signal of 1 kHz with a sum modulated signal on top of it, that was sweeping between 400 Hz and 15 kHz
2018-05-25T14:39:54 < jadew> I stopped hearing anything when the difference was more than 20 dB!
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2018-05-25T14:41:30 < jadew> also, I had that main tone a bit below the edge of what was confortable listening to
2018-05-25T14:41:39 < BrainDamage> am glad you understood the part about placebo, you might want to go back to high school and revise you basic scientific testing procedures
2018-05-25T14:42:03 < BrainDamage> eg sample repetability, etc
2018-05-25T14:42:15 < jadew> I don't think placebo can shave off 40 dB from my hearing ability
2018-05-25T14:42:16 < dongs> oh
2018-05-25T14:42:21 < dongs> < karlp> $1000.00 on the dot
2018-05-25T14:42:26 < dongs> Pay a deposit of $1,000.00 per item
2018-05-25T14:42:28 < dongs> ^ from that site
2018-05-25T14:42:32 < dongs> so thats why you got charged 1k
2018-05-25T14:43:03 < jadew> BrainDamage, even if it was placebo to an extent, say 10 dB and I'm being generous here, it's still only 30 dB of dynamic range
2018-05-25T14:43:05 < BrainDamage> it's ok, i don't think i need to pay you attention anyway either, also, your siggen likely can't output more than 20dB modulation index
2018-05-25T14:43:07 < BrainDamage> fwiw
2018-05-25T14:43:17 < BrainDamage> sorry, 30dB modulation index
2018-05-25T14:43:39 < jadew> I can test that assumption
2018-05-25T14:51:59 < jadew> hmm, maybe my math is off, doesn't match what I'm measuring, give me a sec
2018-05-25T14:52:33 < jadew> for the record, the sig gen handles that modulation index just fine
2018-05-25T14:52:53 < jadew> but that's not the issue
2018-05-25T14:54:04 < jadew> seems to do 80 dB just fine
2018-05-25T14:54:16 < karlp> dongs: sure, but they shipped it out and delivered it.
2018-05-25T14:54:25 < karlp> I got a ocpy of their sales records as part of the counterclaim
2018-05-25T14:55:15 < dongs> interesting
2018-05-25T14:55:23 < dongs> so they were gonna charge remaining 19995 later?
2018-05-25T14:57:12 < karlp> no clue.
2018-05-25T14:59:58 < jadew> BrainDamage, ok... I made a mistake, I was off by a factor of 100 in an equation
2018-05-25T15:00:14 < jadew> when I take that into account I get 60 dB of dynamic range... :D
2018-05-25T15:00:19  * jadew hides under a rock
2018-05-25T15:00:20  * karlp laughs
2018-05-25T15:00:33 < karlp> you should have known better than to argue with BD on that one :)
2018-05-25T15:00:44 < jadew> I know :P
2018-05-25T15:03:26 < Haohmaru> time for your punishment
2018-05-25T15:03:37 < Haohmaru> jadew get that asus soundcard immediately
2018-05-25T15:03:49 < jadew> isn't admitting you're wrong on the internet enough?
2018-05-25T15:04:03 < Haohmaru> mmm, well..
2018-05-25T15:04:06 < Haohmaru> NO >:(
2018-05-25T15:04:32 < jadew> Haohmaru, well, even with those results, you only need 0.1% THD to meet that
2018-05-25T15:04:55 < Haohmaru> i don't even remember what THD was
2018-05-25T15:05:04 < jadew> total harmonic distortion
2018-05-25T15:05:04 < Haohmaru> something something harmonic distortion?
2018-05-25T15:05:18 < karlp> but what about non-harmonic distortion?!
2018-05-25T15:05:19 < jadew> yeah, it's how much sound gets distorted by an amplifier
2018-05-25T15:05:24 < Haohmaru> okay, and i don't know what that means
2018-05-25T15:06:17 < karlp> lower is better, always, never question when enough is enough
2018-05-25T15:06:28 < Laurenceb_> preanoobs in here
2018-05-25T15:06:30 < karlp> except for when it's not.
2018-05-25T15:06:34 < Laurenceb_> lurn to google
2018-05-25T15:06:36 < Haohmaru> will it make the blacks blacker?
2018-05-25T15:06:49 < jadew> karlp, I think it stops being bettter when you pay extra for nothing
2018-05-25T15:06:50 < dongs> drop it nigga
2018-05-25T15:07:06 < Haohmaru> will it make the edges sharper?
2018-05-25T15:07:19 < karlp> jadew: there's where you're wrong boi :)
2018-05-25T15:07:30 < karlp> have you met my friend "high fidelity" ?
2018-05-25T15:07:40 < karlp> it doesn't matter if it's not meaningful, it's _better_
2018-05-25T15:08:01 < Haohmaru> HIFI Santa would agree
2018-05-25T15:08:28 < jadew> it might make sense for recording companies - you never know what kind of ears technology is going to bring us in the future
2018-05-25T15:09:27 < Haohmaru> elfish ears
2018-05-25T15:09:53 < Haohmaru> hm, that might even exist already
2018-05-25T15:09:58 < jadew> I fail to see another reason to do it
2018-05-25T15:10:20 < karlp> you're still mixing up a) there's not point and b) doens't mean it's not done
2018-05-25T15:10:20 < jadew> it's like recording UV and FIR in photos and movies
2018-05-25T15:11:16 < jadew> maybe that's a bad analogy... I guess the anlogy with the visual field would be pretty much the same
2018-05-25T15:11:35 < jadew> recording very dark things when you're recording the sun
2018-05-25T15:11:40 < jadew> but that's kind of useful
2018-05-25T15:12:03 < Haohmaru> IR photography is a thing
2018-05-25T15:12:16 < jadew> ok, I guess insane THD could still be useful, but not for consumer devices
2018-05-25T15:13:26 < Haohmaru> don't say that in the company of audiophools, u gon get cursed
2018-05-25T15:13:59 < jadew> nah, they'll say their ears are better than mine
2018-05-25T15:14:08 < Haohmaru> of course they are
2018-05-25T15:14:19 < dongs> https://jobs.netflix.com/jobs/866797
2018-05-25T15:14:19 < Haohmaru> i know a few audiophools
2018-05-25T15:14:25 < dongs> You have experience or interest in embedded Node.js on hardware before such as a Raspberry Pi, Arduino clone, or related IoT hardware
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2018-05-25T15:15:14 < Haohmaru> dongs why are you looking for a job at netflix?
2018-05-25T15:16:04 < jadew> so he can get the 4k upgrade for free
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2018-05-25T15:16:22 < Haohmaru> 4k.. resolution?
2018-05-25T15:16:28 < jadew> yeah
2018-05-25T15:16:37 < jadew> it's $2 extra/mo
2018-05-25T15:16:39 < Haohmaru> do you need so many pixels?!
2018-05-25T15:16:43 < Haohmaru> >:)
2018-05-25T15:16:47 < jadew> don't get that one started in here
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2018-05-25T15:18:42 < stvn> i'm all grown up now daddy
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2018-05-25T15:49:23 < dongs> how do i delete a remote branch again
2018-05-25T15:49:27 < dongs> that i already deleted locally
2018-05-25T15:50:08 < dongs> k did something
2018-05-25T15:50:11 < karlp> git push remotename :remotebranch
2018-05-25T15:50:12 < zyp> git push origin :dickbranch
2018-05-25T15:50:18 < dongs> ya
2018-05-25T15:52:38 < jpa-> because : obviously means "delete"
2018-05-25T15:52:42 < dongs> how is focus usually done in machine vision cams
2018-05-25T15:52:48 < dongs> are tehy all fixed focus?
2018-05-25T15:52:55 < dongs> or is tehre such thing like auto/something 
2018-05-25T15:53:22 < jpa-> usually the camera body is fixed focus, and you can buy either manually adjustable or electronically adjustable focus lens for it
2018-05-25T15:54:05 < jpa-> many cameras have a connector for the focus motor
2018-05-25T15:56:41 < dongs> < jpa-> because : obviously means "delete"
2018-05-25T15:56:46 < dongs> apparently there-s actually --delete
2018-05-25T15:56:48 < dongs> which does same shit
2018-05-25T15:56:51 < dongs> way2goopensores
2018-05-25T15:58:18 < stvn> lolol
2018-05-25T15:59:13 < dongs> best freecancer troll: post project in MXN currency
2018-05-25T15:59:22 < dongs> with a budget of like $500-$3000 MXN
2018-05-25T16:00:35 < PeterM> whats that in HKD?
2018-05-25T16:01:18 < dongs> mxn is more
2018-05-25T16:01:21 < stvn> bout tree fiddy
2018-05-25T16:01:22 < PeterM> i just looked LOL
2018-05-25T16:01:25 < dongs> lol
2018-05-25T16:01:31 < PeterM> hold shit stvn
2018-05-25T16:01:51 < stvn> so like is freelancer useful for anyone?
2018-05-25T16:02:00 < PeterM> its like 2 fiddy
2018-05-25T16:02:05 < stvn> or just good for a crack
2018-05-25T16:02:11 < stvn> mmmm
2018-05-25T16:02:28 < PeterM> !wz penrith, australia
2018-05-25T16:02:30 < englishbot> [Penrith, Australia] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 10.1°C. Humidity: 89%.
2018-05-25T16:02:42 < stvn> !wz melbourne
2018-05-25T16:02:43 < englishbot> [Melbourne, Australia] Clear. Temp is 9.2°C. Humidity: 84%.
2018-05-25T16:02:59 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/O4eWqbN.png todays innovation
2018-05-25T16:03:10 < PeterM> east side or west side stvn, east right/
2018-05-25T16:03:33 < stvn> i live in australia
2018-05-25T16:03:44 < stvn> kinda south eastern suburbs
2018-05-25T16:03:46 < PeterM> i meant east or west side of melbourne
2018-05-25T16:04:07 < Haohmaru> are you drawing emojis with PTHs?
2018-05-25T16:04:08 < PeterM> dongs it concerns me that each pad is an ic on the left
2018-05-25T16:04:17 < dongs> not IC
2018-05-25T16:04:20 < dongs> thats a label
2018-05-25T16:04:23 < dongs> i turned off refdes
2018-05-25T16:04:30 < PeterM> ahh
2018-05-25T16:04:31 < dongs> U stands for "unknown"
2018-05-25T16:04:38 < Haohmaru> UFO
2018-05-25T16:04:49 < PeterM> or if kakimir u.FL
2018-05-25T16:04:56 < Haohmaru> hahaha
2018-05-25T16:05:17 < dongs> i considered making the difflanes SMA in honor of kikemir but then the board would be like hueg
2018-05-25T16:05:20 < Haohmaru> he likes wifi much?
2018-05-25T16:05:40 < PeterM> dongs is haohmaru a new addition to  stm32?
2018-05-25T16:05:45 < dongs> yes
2018-05-25T16:05:47 < dongs> replaced o6
2018-05-25T16:05:51 < dongs> equally autistic
2018-05-25T16:05:52 < stvn> ^
2018-05-25T16:06:15 < Haohmaru> who?
2018-05-25T16:06:58 < PeterM> mr 10 minute google search expert
2018-05-25T16:07:28 < Haohmaru> i'm no expert and i hate google
2018-05-25T16:07:37 < dongs> he uses dickdickgo
2018-05-25T16:07:42 < dongs> err.. duckduckgo
2018-05-25T16:07:51 < Haohmaru> akchually, i do
2018-05-25T16:08:00 < dongs> snort
2018-05-25T16:08:20 < Haohmaru> what do YOU use? hatehatepuke.com?
2018-05-25T16:08:54 < PeterM> he jsut knows stuff
2018-05-25T16:09:09 < Haohmaru> ah, of course, i forgot he a pro1337
2018-05-25T16:09:33 < dongs> i wouldn't go that far. i'm more of a professional troll
2018-05-25T16:09:50 < PeterM> yeah, defs not a Pro IRC EE
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2018-05-25T16:15:43 < Haohmaru> can i become a proffesional troll too?
2018-05-25T16:15:54 < Haohmaru> * professional
2018-05-25T16:15:58 < dongs> you need at least 20 years experience
2018-05-25T16:16:03 < Haohmaru> i got it
2018-05-25T16:16:06 < dongs> of constant trolling
2018-05-25T16:16:08 < dongs> doubt ful
2018-05-25T16:16:17 < Haohmaru> listen here boi
2018-05-25T16:16:26 < Haohmaru> don't argue with me
2018-05-25T16:16:32 < Haohmaru> i said i got it
2018-05-25T16:17:54 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/wiznet/W7500P/W7500P-ND/7604175 this is actually surprisingly cheap. but does it have internal phy?
2018-05-25T16:18:15 < dongs> oh it does
2018-05-25T16:18:49 < Haohmaru> my ethernet module uses a w5500
2018-05-25T16:19:00 < Haohmaru> plus xmega
2018-05-25T16:19:13 < dongs> lol
2018-05-25T16:20:23 < Haohmaru> because it's moar "mega" that way
2018-05-25T16:20:38 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/wiznet/W5500-ETHERNET-SHIELD/1278-1028-ND/5402376 i know what you used to test it
2018-05-25T16:21:01 < Haohmaru> you know?
2018-05-25T16:21:07 < Haohmaru> i think you don't know
2018-05-25T16:22:43 < zyp> I see that w7500p says cortex-m0, does that mean you can run your own code on it like a conventional mcu?
2018-05-25T16:22:57 < zyp> i.e. is it just a mcu with built-in phy?
2018-05-25T16:22:59 < Haohmaru> some wiznet chips iirc offered that
2018-05-25T16:23:05 < Haohmaru> the w5500 doesn't
2018-05-25T16:23:42 < zyp> ah, the p in w7500p stands for phy, apparently
2018-05-25T16:23:58 < dongs> yes
2018-05-25T16:24:04 < dongs> looking at datasheet there's a drawing
2018-05-25T16:24:13 < Haohmaru> w5500 has no "p" but it has a phy
2018-05-25T16:25:30 < stvn> yea
2018-05-25T16:25:54 < PeterM> its got a w and that stands for whatever
2018-05-25T16:26:06 < dongs> that stands for KoreaWon
2018-05-25T16:26:10 < dongs> cuz wiznet are filthy gooks
2018-05-25T16:27:50 < Haohmaru> PHYlthy?
2018-05-25T16:28:07 < stvn> this is a good night to stay home
2018-05-25T16:28:28 < Haohmaru> why? is someone chasing you?
2018-05-25T16:28:48 < srk> any idea why swd isolation gives me invalid ack or nothing at all with si8650.. schematics https://github.com/distrap/distrap-hw/blob/master/swdprog/swdprog.pdf
2018-05-25T16:28:55 < srk> ?
2018-05-25T16:29:14 < dongs> nice kikecad
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2018-05-25T16:30:45 < srk> thanks
2018-05-25T16:31:38 < Haohmaru> (he didn't mean it)
2018-05-25T16:31:45 < srk> trying to replace R1 R2 with different values but no luck
2018-05-25T16:31:59 < srk> 5-10k gives me nothing
2018-05-25T16:32:10 < srk> 510 - 1k least I get invalid ACK
2018-05-25T16:36:03 < dongs> youre missing the resistors on host side
2018-05-25T16:36:36 < srk> which pin
2018-05-25T16:37:11 < dongs> host -> 2 r's -> in/out isolation -> 2 r's -> target
2018-05-25T16:37:20 < srk> R6 is 0 now as it fucks up clock otherwise
2018-05-25T16:37:25 < srk> hmm, that's possible
2018-05-25T16:37:27 < dongs> ^ swdio
2018-05-25T16:37:54 < dongs> you dont need R on clock
2018-05-25T16:38:02 < dongs> clock is just one way anyway
2018-05-25T16:38:10 < srk> yeah
2018-05-25T16:39:11 < zyp> srk, tried lowering the swd freq?
2018-05-25T16:39:21 < srk> zyp: how? with black magic
2018-05-25T16:39:33 < srk> this looks correct then https://github.com/noahp/swdiso/blob/master/hw/kicad/swdiso.pdf
2018-05-25T16:40:11 < srk> though the recent version of that project is different and broken, only old pdf remained
2018-05-25T16:40:50 < dongs> if you don't have resistors on both ends, the input isolator is holding the pin hard to 0 or 1 depending on the output
2018-05-25T16:40:56 < dongs> so thats why you get no ack
2018-05-25T16:41:04 < srk> yeah, makes sense
2018-05-25T16:41:20 < srk> it works kind-of like buffer
2018-05-25T16:41:29 < Adluc> here i found different one https://easyeda.com/9a45e023/SWD_Digital_Isolator_Si8605-5bf9274d06334cef82006e2ec066146e
2018-05-25T16:42:07 < zyp> dongs, but he has resistors on both ends
2018-05-25T16:42:22 < srk> but only one
2018-05-25T16:42:38 < srk> unlike this old version https://github.com/noahp/swdiso/blob/master/hw/kicad/swdiso.pdf
2018-05-25T16:42:40 < zyp> dongs, R3 in one direction, R2 in the other direction
2018-05-25T16:42:41 < dongs> zyp cuz its bidirectional he needs swdio on both input and output isolator
2018-05-25T16:42:52 < zyp> yes, and he got that
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2018-05-25T16:48:53 < dongs> are the outputs on that shit pushpull or some opendrain/wahtever shit
2018-05-25T16:49:20 < zyp> hope it's push pull, open drain would fuck up
2018-05-25T16:50:07 < dongs> apparently pullup/pulldown is an order code too
2018-05-25T16:50:16 < dongs> See 1. Ordering Guide for details. This is the selectable fail-safe operating mode (ordering option). Some devices have default
2018-05-25T16:50:18 < srk> eeeh
2018-05-25T16:50:19 < dongs> output state = H, and some have default output state = L, depending on the ordering part number (OPN). For default high devices,
2018-05-25T16:50:22 < dongs> the data channels have pull-ups on inputs/outputs. For default low devices, the data channels have pull-downs on inputs/
2018-05-25T16:50:26 < dongs> outputs.
2018-05-25T16:50:48 < zyp> that shouldn't be relevant
2018-05-25T16:50:58 < srk> the one I'm using is Si8650BB-B-IS1
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2018-05-25T16:55:00 < srk> yeah, that one is default low
2018-05-25T16:55:25 < karlp> that shit only matters when a side isn't powered
2018-05-25T16:55:32 < srk> right
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2018-05-25T17:12:18 < englishman> nice karl, my shit got scammed just last week too
2018-05-25T17:12:31 < englishman> but they did not buy an entire engine
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2018-05-25T17:23:58 < karlp> fuck me, wathing some atollic/st training video in one window while I'm doing other things
2018-05-25T17:24:09 < karlp> they spent 10 minutes scrolling around a .map file
2018-05-25T17:24:34 < karlp> I think this whole video should be like 20 screenshots and a few captions, not a one hour video
2018-05-25T17:24:54 < dongs> yeah i find "videos" extremely poor methods of learning/communication these kinda concepts
2018-05-25T17:24:59 < dongs> like those fucking ARM webinarsr
2018-05-25T17:25:19 < karlp> tell me about it.
2018-05-25T17:25:33 < karlp> this guy's literally mousing over shit and reading it out loud
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2018-05-25T17:26:03 < Haohmaru> karlp you know how TV works maan, the footage must be 1 hour
2018-05-25T17:26:09 < karlp> this isn't tv though
2018-05-25T17:26:15 < Haohmaru> audience must be entertained
2018-05-25T17:26:24 < karlp> I think it's because this is some extracted chunks of someone's training day
2018-05-25T17:26:33 < Haohmaru> watch the hypnotic mouse cursor! O_O
2018-05-25T17:34:41 < Laurenceb> ASMR
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2018-05-25T17:47:15 < karlp> lame, atollic can't do live statistical pc sampling
2018-05-25T17:47:25 < karlp> you have to stop for it to calculate it.
2018-05-25T17:47:46 < R0b0t1`> I read that as "atollic can't do live statistical pimping"
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2018-05-25T17:49:16 < PeterM> probably cant do that either tbh
2018-05-25T17:50:34 < karlp> heh, talks about doing execution tiing, requires you to calcualte the delta manually.
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2018-05-25T17:59:37 < dongs> eh
2018-05-25T17:59:43 < dongs> do you have some leet macros for execution timing then?
2018-05-25T17:59:50 < dongs> cuz i usaully do it manualy too
2018-05-25T18:00:39 < karlp> well, you can use the dwt cyc cnt way and just only write the timing itself,
2018-05-25T18:00:57 < karlp> they were using itm_write(chan) = 1; code_to_time(); itm_write(chan) = 1;
2018-05-25T18:01:04 < karlp> and then turning on itm timestamping
2018-05-25T18:01:19 < karlp> and making you pick two rows out of their trace ofa ll events and do the timestamp substraction manually.
2018-05-25T18:01:23 < dongs> oh
2018-05-25T18:01:35 < karlp> they should have don the correlation properly themselves if they're going to be making fancy tools
2018-05-25T18:01:48 < dongs> i just wrote some stuff using 32bit TIM3 or whatever cuz i had it free on a bunch of different targets that im writing stuff on
2018-05-25T18:02:03 < dongs> basically just log TIM3->CNT on in and out and the timer itself runs at sysclk
2018-05-25T18:02:20 < karlp> like, "itm_write(chan) = task_id << 1 | ON; code_to_time(); itm_write(chan) = task_id <<1 | OFF"
2018-05-25T18:02:30 < karlp> but whatevs.
2018-05-25T18:03:54 < karlp> title of this video was "debugging and profiling stm32"
2018-05-25T18:04:04 < karlp> so far it's always been, "this is only available on m3, m4, m7"
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2018-05-25T18:15:49 < dongs> some japs are sending me some shitty code they made using LPC43something
2018-05-25T18:16:00 < dongs> apparently when they try to write shit to lcdcon, debug drops out
2018-05-25T18:18:22 < dongs> https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/05/24/national/jr-tokai-employee-fired-allegedly-embezzling-money-foreign-shinkansen-passengers/ haha
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2018-05-25T18:23:49 < Hamilton> I created a project in CubeMX by just choosing my MCU (STM32F103C8)...Exported the default configs in Eclipse...Flashed the .elf file manually using openOCD but apparently that code has corrupted the JTAG...How can I produce a minimum config in CubeMX so the code does not mess with JTAG pins?
2018-05-25T18:24:09 < dongs> you didnt
2018-05-25T18:24:26 < Hamilton> dongs, You mean openOCD reported wrongly?
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2018-05-25T18:24:34 < dongs> you have to specificalyl disable jtag on F103 for it not to work
2018-05-25T18:25:24 < Hamilton> dongs, hmm... Maybe the blank project in cubeMX does so? If I just use an eclipse MCU template, the blinky example works fine
2018-05-25T18:25:48 < dongs> no
2018-05-25T18:26:03 < dongs> look in cube under sys or wahtever
2018-05-25T18:26:13 < dongs> if its disabled it would be there
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2018-05-25T18:28:09 < Hamilton> dongs, SYS is colored green (which I guess means at least one of its mode is used) and in the "debug" list "no debug" is selected
2018-05-25T18:28:35 < dongs> so change that to 'swd' or wahtever
2018-05-25T18:29:09 < Hamilton> dongs, So the default behaviour *was* no jtag? Strange :\
2018-05-25T18:29:23 < dongs> i dont know, it sounds like it, but that also sounds extremely retarded
2018-05-25T18:30:23 < karlp> we were just talking about this, I even went and tried to do it again,
2018-05-25T18:30:36 < karlp> you had to realllllly go out of your way to make cubemx generate code that turns off jtag/swd
2018-05-25T18:30:46 < Hamilton> dongs, It made me to update to the latest (1.6.1 somethin)...I've read somewhere CubeMX is buggy but I didn't assume it was this strange
2018-05-25T18:31:20 < Hamilton> karlp, I literally did nothing!
2018-05-25T18:31:29 < kakimir> how do I make debugging faster with mcuxpresso(eclipse+openocd)?
2018-05-25T18:31:47 < kakimir> I want it like flash it instantly
2018-05-25T18:31:56 < kakimir> run instantly
2018-05-25T18:32:00 < kakimir> fast iterations
2018-05-25T18:32:04 < Hamilton> kakimir, I'm n00b but couldn't you manually override openOCD's interface speed?
2018-05-25T18:32:13 < Thorn> cube shouldn't disable jtag if you select 'debugging: disabled', it will only allow you to reuse jtag pins
2018-05-25T18:32:16 < kakimir> you mean the adapter speed?
2018-05-25T18:32:22 < karlp> Hamilton: then your problem isn't from what you think it is.
2018-05-25T18:32:56 < kakimir> my adapter speed is set to highest possible value it runs reliably
2018-05-25T18:33:19 < kakimir> I mean I have openocd running in console already
2018-05-25T18:33:41 < kakimir> it takes forever for session to begin
2018-05-25T18:34:17 < Hamilton> kakimir, what is your interface hw?
2018-05-25T18:34:50 < kakimir> doesn't matter - the client side takes too long
2018-05-25T18:36:07 < Hamilton> dongs, I have another question. What is the usual workflow if I'm to use Eclipse MCU with openOCD + CubeMX? There is a solution of overriding CubeMX files with those auto-generated by Liviu's plugin....
2018-05-25T18:36:18 < kakimir> I need to check that having console open in another screen
2018-05-25T18:36:36 < dongs> karlp: hes right
2018-05-25T18:36:48 < dongs> karlp: default f103 setup in shitcube does come up as 'no debug
2018-05-25T18:36:51 < Hamilton> dongs, you reproduced?
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2018-05-25T18:36:54 < dongs> lets see where it does the turninig off in generated code
2018-05-25T18:36:55 < karlp> must be a bug in f1 then
2018-05-25T18:37:02 < karlp> I was tryuing it out on an brand enw l4 project
2018-05-25T18:37:23 < karlp> tried "disable" "swd" and "explicitly using one of hte pins as gpio"
2018-05-25T18:37:32 < Hamilton> shitcube lol! You change every word to something shitty! faggit, buttchain, ...
2018-05-25T18:38:15 < Thorn> Hamilton: it's Donglish, the official language of ##stm32
2018-05-25T18:38:23 < Hamilton> lol
2018-05-25T18:38:38 < Hamilton> Thorn, Master teach me :D
2018-05-25T18:38:52 < dongs>     /**DISABLE: JTAG-DP Disabled and SW-DP Disabled 
2018-05-25T18:38:52 < dongs>     */
2018-05-25T18:38:52 < dongs>   __HAL_AFIO_REMAP_SWJ_DISABLE();
2018-05-25T18:38:53 < dongs> yeah
2018-05-25T18:38:57 < dongs> it turns it off by default
2018-05-25T18:39:04 < dongs> this is in HAL_MspInit
2018-05-25T18:39:09 < dongs> how fucking dumbv
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2018-05-25T18:39:38 < Thorn> *applause*
2018-05-25T18:39:44 < kakimir> dongs, how long it takes in your protool to have your debugging session to main() from when you press the debug launch button?
2018-05-25T18:39:47 < Hamilton> So it proves how unlucky I am in learning Arm
2018-05-25T18:39:51 < kakimir> KEIL
2018-05-25T18:40:21 < dongs> but wait
2018-05-25T18:40:28 < dongs> shit's disabled everywhere by default
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2018-05-25T18:40:31 < dongs> the only thing is
2018-05-25T18:40:38 < dongs> F1 needs a specific AFIO write to disable it
2018-05-25T18:40:43 < dongs> but all the other shit is just done by setting AF on pins
2018-05-25T18:41:45 < dongs> yeah
2018-05-25T18:41:53 < dongs> so it doesn't get "disabled" simply because nothign else is using those pins.
2018-05-25T18:42:38 < Hamilton> kakimir, I use FT232R which is slow (1kHz) and it takes ~7 sec
2018-05-25T18:42:44 < dongs> wat
2018-05-25T18:42:58 < dongs> when i want fast debugging i use ozone
2018-05-25T18:43:01 < Hamilton> kakimir, sorry not keil
2018-05-25T18:43:02 < dongs> run->debug is instant
2018-05-25T18:43:37 < kakimir> I use 1000-2000khz
2018-05-25T18:43:45 < dongs> i use 50mhz
2018-05-25T18:44:00 < kakimir> my chips wont even go that fast
2018-05-25T18:45:09 < Hamilton> dongs, In generated files, there is nothing inside {$project_root}\Drivers\CMSIS\Device\ST\STM32F1xx\Source\Templates .... Is this also normal?
2018-05-25T18:45:19 < dongs> ? templates?
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2018-05-25T18:45:32 < dongs> i told you where SJW disable was
2018-05-25T18:45:39 < dongs> its in HAL_MspInit
2018-05-25T18:45:46 < dongs> thats in the project src\ folder
2018-05-25T18:45:48 < Hamilton> dongs, No I'm asking about another thing
2018-05-25T18:46:01 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: why not libopencm3?
2018-05-25T18:46:30 < dongs> does that shit finally have feature parity with stdperiph on F103?
2018-05-25T18:46:53 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, Ah paul you are here too..hi
2018-05-25T18:48:35 < Hamilton> dongs, So apparently these two files should have been in /templates: "system_
2018-05-25T18:48:35 < Hamilton> stm32f4xx.c" and "startup_stm32f4xxxx.S"
2018-05-25T18:48:46 < dongs> tahts f4
2018-05-25T18:48:48 < dongs> i tought youre doing f1
2018-05-25T18:48:51 < Hamilton> no for f1
2018-05-25T18:48:54 < Hamilton> Isn't it similar?
2018-05-25T18:49:06 < dongs> there's system_f1xx or whatever yes
2018-05-25T18:49:09 < dongs> its in my generated code.
2018-05-25T18:49:28 < Hamilton> dongs, in templates folder?
2018-05-25T18:49:33 < dongs> no clue
2018-05-25T18:49:37 < dongs> already powered down that vm
2018-05-25T18:50:05 < dongs> youre not doing something silly like running cube on lunix right
2018-05-25T18:50:17 < Hamilton> dongs, no windows 7
2018-05-25T18:50:29 < Hamilton> dongs, I have startup_stm32f103xb.s in somewhere else /startup
2018-05-25T18:50:49 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, what is libopencm3? CMSIS alternative?
2018-05-25T18:51:21 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: st shitlib alternative
2018-05-25T18:51:55 < karlp> heh, yeah, f1 does, l4 doesn't not trying any more shits
2018-05-25T18:52:15 < dongs> karlp: you mean jtag disable?
2018-05-25T18:52:18 < karlp> yeah
2018-05-25T18:52:19 < Hamilton> dongs, And system_f1xx is located in \Src
2018-05-25T18:52:27 < dongs> karlp: well, l4 has AF-absed gpio
2018-05-25T18:52:32 < dongs> based
2018-05-25T18:52:36 < dongs> its jtag unless specifically turned off
2018-05-25T18:52:40 < karlp> everyone except f1 
2018-05-25T18:52:43 < dongs> right
2018-05-25T18:53:11 < karlp> f1 is dead to me, f1 did [insert culturally appropriate horrific event]
2018-05-25T18:53:40 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, shitlib is ST_HAL? Sorry I'm new to ST (just a little exp. with TM4C123)
2018-05-25T18:53:41 < dongs> i don't imagine you're using cube either
2018-05-25T18:53:44 < dongs> so not like its relevant
2018-05-25T18:53:54 < karlp> no :)
2018-05-25T18:56:43 < Hamilton> But still I didn't understand...Suppose you do all your things with CubeMX. How do you override Eclipse MCU's default stubs?
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2018-05-25T18:57:25 < Hamilton> I have one solution (Noviello's python script) but looking for better (more standard) ways
2018-05-25T18:59:31 < Hamilton> superbia, Essentially writing a plugin to import things from CubeMX to Eclipse MCU? If it was that easy, Liviu or even STMicro. itself would have written it already
2018-05-25T19:00:42 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: all code from ST is shit, some time ago it was stdperiphlib, then they introduced HAL + CubeMX etc.
2018-05-25T19:02:47 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, What's the alternative? Do companies adhere to CMSIS if I use that? I guess CMSIS solutions would always be incomplete w.r.t to manufacture's HALs
2018-05-25T19:03:37 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: libopencm3, stm32plus, Rust with its stm32 crates, IvoryTower, ChibiOS.
2018-05-25T19:04:00 < dongs> non-ironically recommending rust
2018-05-25T19:04:20 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: you misuse the word CMSIS, it's a generic ARM term.
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2018-05-25T19:04:34 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, And they have APIs for things like CAN or DMAs?
2018-05-25T19:05:06 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi6-Ypvg17M
2018-05-25T19:05:15 < Hamilton> I mean non-official solutions would always have missed some peripherals 
2018-05-25T19:05:30 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: some do, some not. You can always add the needed parts if you like the project.
2018-05-25T19:05:57 < dongs> libopencm3 is nutty cuz they dont even use st's stm32fxxx.h header
2018-05-25T19:06:01 < dongs> they reinvent fucking everything themselves
2018-05-25T19:06:01 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: but official solutions are shitty. Choose your poison.
2018-05-25T19:06:06 < dongs> so i think its too much of a waste of time
2018-05-25T19:06:09 < Laurenceb> ikr
2018-05-25T19:06:25 < Laurenceb> almost as mad me
2018-05-25T19:06:36 < karlp> we at least use spaces.
2018-05-25T19:06:40 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, Liviu usues uOS++ right?
2018-05-25T19:06:46 < dongs> so if i use that shit, i'd have to trust that some loon copied peripheral register maps correctly while being under influence of some random opensores beer
2018-05-25T19:06:50 < karlp> what is liviu
2018-05-25T19:06:51 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: I've heard about it, yes.
2018-05-25T19:06:57 < PaulFertser> karlp: the GNU MCU Eclipse guy
2018-05-25T19:07:06 < karlp> dongs: well, there's been errors in both before :)
2018-05-25T19:07:14 < karlp> we normally copy from the refman, not from the header files
2018-05-25T19:07:28 < karlp> even the st svd files have had errors in them.
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2018-05-25T19:07:35 < PaulFertser> dongs: btw, Rust is using automated way to define periph registers (svd2rust) so you should like it more :)
2018-05-25T19:07:49 < karlp> (and therefore has the same errors with svd sources as anyone else does)
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2018-05-25T19:08:16 < karlp> as soon as you start having to edit the svds to get better gneeration, you lost all the win from svds
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2018-05-25T19:08:38 < karlp> no btter than pdf->c at that point
2018-05-25T19:09:01 < PeterM> aka it could be broken, but if it is you know who to blame. yourself for not dieing in your sleep
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2018-05-25T19:10:32 < Hamilton> What is wrong with manufacturers? If *they* can not produce useful softwares for people to use their chips, then what is the point of producing and advancing chips? Like don't they feel the responsibility that some of their chips functionalities should be easy to use?
2018-05-25T19:11:10 < PeterM> nah, then sell sand, not software
2018-05-25T19:11:11 < karlp> can't cut off the business of the tools companies :)
2018-05-25T19:11:32 < karlp> they only need just enough software to demonstrate that it works. no more
2018-05-25T19:12:25 < Hamilton> And I've heard ST is better than others in this matter (HALs)
2018-05-25T19:12:57  * Hamilton is having an MCU_World_API crisis
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2018-05-25T19:21:15 < srk> PaulFertser: we're getting there as well https://github.com/sorki/data-stm32/pull/1
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2018-05-25T19:22:27 < srk> we've manage to solder few audio DSP boards with adau1401, fun thing
2018-05-25T19:22:37 < srk> room's shaking
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2018-05-25T19:31:57 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgluP3BkVaA dis guy
2018-05-25T19:32:38 < Laurenceb> dat crowd reaction
2018-05-25T19:36:22 < dongs> Laurenceb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHbkw0Gm7pk&t=12m20s yes, you need audio but for only ~3 seconds
2018-05-25T19:36:41 < Laurenceb> very good
2018-05-25T19:37:23 < Laurenceb> dat accent
2018-05-25T19:37:40 < Laurenceb> got to suck the penis morty, the little morty penis
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2018-05-25T19:39:47 < Hamilton> Laurenceb, I wonder why those content wouldn't be banned on Youtube...It's actually an old man asking a teenager to do the thing
2018-05-25T19:39:53 < upgrdman> anyone use mobaxterm?  https://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/
2018-05-25T19:40:11 < Laurenceb> >baxt
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2018-05-25T19:41:17 < Aditya> Well it's the royal wedding, Hamilton 
2018-05-25T19:41:34 < Hamilton> Aditya, I meant rick and morty reference
2018-05-25T19:41:42 < Laurenceb> Aditya: hes talking about bushworld adventures
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2018-05-25T19:45:56 < Laurenceb> oh sheeet
2018-05-25T19:46:07 < Laurenceb> one of those is my cousin
2018-05-25T19:46:32 < Hamilton> superbia, Essentially a british kurzgesagt
2018-05-25T19:46:33 < Laurenceb> he new jerb after quitting chaturbate
2018-05-25T19:46:56 < Laurenceb> *her
2018-05-25T19:47:01 < emeb> Isn't everyone in England related?
2018-05-25T19:47:02 < Laurenceb> youtube video producer
2018-05-25T19:47:13 < Laurenceb> she is half murican
2018-05-25T19:47:51 < Laurenceb> wew these producers are obnoxious
2018-05-25T19:48:03 < Laurenceb> wew^2 Richard Dawkins
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2018-05-25T19:48:31 < Laurenceb> Patreon wtf my sides
2018-05-25T19:48:40 < Laurenceb> what the actual fuck
2018-05-25T19:49:05 < Laurenceb> she needs to head back to chaturbate
2018-05-25T19:50:35 < Laurenceb> at least they have some troll comments like they deserve
2018-05-25T19:51:34 < englishman> arrow shipped 6 packages from 4 different warehouses for an 8-line order
2018-05-25T19:52:09 < Steffanx> $800 much?
2018-05-25T19:52:24 < englishman> no i dont think i will be using that :(
2018-05-25T19:52:25 < Steffanx> wb superbia
2018-05-25T19:52:28 < Steffanx> awh
2018-05-25T19:53:23 < Laurenceb> congrats
2018-05-25T19:53:29 < emeb> Now you just have to pony up for the travel expense
2018-05-25T19:53:36 < Laurenceb> I need to submit my papper on babby shake
2018-05-25T19:53:53 < Laurenceb> superbai: what will you be talking about?
2018-05-25T19:54:08 < Laurenceb> kek fair enough
2018-05-25T19:54:12 < Steffanx> No nim?
2018-05-25T19:54:27 < Steffanx> Unlike you some people do not want to know their supervisor is called Donal
2018-05-25T19:54:32 < emeb> Guy I know gave a paper at a conference in Lake Tahoe this week - hotel is isolated at a ski resort & only restaurant there has like $50 entrees min.
2018-05-25T19:54:33 < dongs> https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/25/active-shooter-taken-into-custody-at-indiana-middle-school.html haha another murica school shooting
2018-05-25T19:54:37 < Steffanx> @ mr Laurenceb
2018-05-25T19:54:42 < emeb> so he was whining about how expensive it was...
2018-05-25T19:54:50 < karlp> emeb: wat
2018-05-25T19:55:03 < karlp> tahoe must have hcanged a lot.
2018-05-25T19:55:08 < Laurenceb> tiem to troll my cousin on facebook for being a skanky patreon beggar 
2018-05-25T19:55:31 < emeb> karlp: Off-season ski resort 5 miles outta town.
2018-05-25T19:55:32 < Laurenceb> tfw wasn't brave enough to troll her for being on chaturbate
2018-05-25T19:55:47 < emeb> Nice locale, but not set up for starving students.
2018-05-25T19:57:23 < Hamilton> If I set a pin as GPIO_output in CubeMX, I should see the change *only* in stm32f1xx_hal_msp.c right?
2018-05-25T19:57:34 < dongs> guess so
2018-05-25T19:57:52 < dongs> where the fuck else do you expect it to cahnge?
2018-05-25T19:58:12 < Hamilton> dongs, thanks...I don't know..learning
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2018-05-25T20:02:14 < Hamilton> dongs, So no change regarding GPIO is observed in stm32f1xx_hal_msp.c but a change in stm32f1xx_hal_msp.h and the actual setting it as output in main.v
2018-05-25T20:02:32 < Hamilton> as static void MX_GPIO_Init(void)
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2018-05-25T20:06:41 < Steffanx> so how happy are you now superbia?
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2018-05-25T20:13:49 < Steffanx> Yet you do not act like that, sometimes.
2018-05-25T20:17:15 < Hamilton> So elements in enum are incemented automatically in C? typedef enum
2018-05-25T20:17:15 < Hamilton> {
2018-05-25T20:17:15 < Hamilton>   GPIO_PIN_RESET = 0U,
2018-05-25T20:17:15 < Hamilton>   GPIO_PIN_SET
2018-05-25T20:17:15 < Hamilton> } GPIO_PinState;
2018-05-25T20:17:30 < Hamilton> GPIO_PIN_SET is 1 because of some C convention?
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2018-05-25T20:19:31 < upgrdman> bike pros: my chain/sproket is starting to squeak. can i use regular light-weight oil, or is there some magic secret sauce lube i should use
2018-05-25T20:20:40 < englishman> use chain lube, it's cheap and it sticks to the chain instead of just flying off
2018-05-25T20:21:11 < upgrdman> k
2018-05-25T20:21:29 < upgrdman> any idea why a dry lube isnt used? like graphite
2018-05-25T20:22:34 < englishman> dont they lubricate less
2018-05-25T20:22:47 < englishman> but withstand pressure/temp better
2018-05-25T20:24:02 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbi6JO_XGrk
2018-05-25T20:24:07 < englishman> well i guess they do use dry lube
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2018-05-25T20:29:06 < antto> Hamilton this is basic stuff, if you don't explicitly assign a value, the compil0r does
2018-05-25T20:30:33 < Hamilton> antto, Thanks...still I guess it was better to explicity write init stuff
2018-05-25T20:31:01 < sync> upgrdman: you can use dry lube
2018-05-25T20:31:12 < dongs> Hamilton: no it wasnt
2018-05-25T20:31:13 < dongs> waht teh fuck
2018-05-25T20:31:18 < dongs> why would you want to make mistakes indexing shit
2018-05-25T20:31:19 < sync> I just use regular old motorcycle chain lube
2018-05-25T20:31:22 < dongs> when you can just let compiler do it properly
2018-05-25T20:31:30 < upgrdman> ya been reading and it seems like dry lube is fine unless you're riding in rain often
2018-05-25T20:31:33 < upgrdman> so dry it is.
2018-05-25T20:31:52 < sync> protip: apply to the inside of the chain
2018-05-25T20:31:54 < Hamilton> dongs, It was just two enums
2018-05-25T20:32:00 < sync> that actually is in contact with the sprocket
2018-05-25T20:32:10 < upgrdman> sync, oh, ok thx
2018-05-25T20:32:15 < upgrdman> makes sense
2018-05-25T20:32:16 < dongs> Hamilton: doesnt matter. 
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2018-05-25T20:43:14 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: I use regular transmission oil both for my bicycle and my motorbike.
2018-05-25T20:44:38 < Hamilton> I have a blinky program. It takes some memory in Flash. Where can I see exactly how much memory (and from where to which part of memory) does my code take and reside? Isn't it in .map file?
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2018-05-25T20:45:58 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/7STaTvX.jpg
2018-05-25T20:46:04 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: on my MTB I tried not doing anything with the chain and the sprockets at all, just oiling when it started squeaking. Done 5-6kkm, then changed the chain, the rear sprockets and the middle front sprocket. I guess that's hassle-free enough.
2018-05-25T20:46:07 < englishman> mmm fresh tub of GC 10 goes on so nice
2018-05-25T20:46:28 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: map file, yes, and you also can use "arm-none-eabi-size your.elf"
2018-05-25T20:46:51 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, thanks :)
2018-05-25T20:47:42 < Hamilton> The .map file for blinky is ~3800 lines though:|
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2018-05-25T20:54:12 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: neither do I bother cleaning my motorbike chain (428 without o-rings), it went through some ~15kkm and it's about half-worn.
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2018-05-25T20:56:58 < Ultrasauce> love me some shallow dof electronics pics
2018-05-25T20:57:13 < PaulFertser> IRC pros, what would you recommend for a 13 y.o. kid with an android device to learn basic programming/robotics in a fun way (without prior experience)?
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2018-05-25T20:58:22 < Ultrasauce> scratch
2018-05-25T20:58:27 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: one thing, depending on your riding patterns, you need to replace the chain more or less constantly
2018-05-25T20:58:50 < BrainDamage> the chain stretches, when it does, it starts wearing the cogs asymmetrically and they form a 'wave crest' shape
2018-05-25T20:59:03 < BrainDamage> when they do, the chain skips no matter what and the cogs are to trash
2018-05-25T20:59:12 < BrainDamage> the cogs cost like 5x to 7x the chain
2018-05-25T20:59:20 < BrainDamage> so make sure to replace the chain if it's worn
2018-05-25T20:59:25 < PaulFertser> Ultrasauce: I've read there's only ScratchJr for android and it's for the 7 y.o. audience or something like that.
2018-05-25T20:59:41 < Ultrasauce> still probably not a bad place to start
2018-05-25T20:59:53 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: what do you think re my experience riding 5k without changing chain?
2018-05-25T20:59:55 < Ultrasauce> i tought a 12 year old c but it was involved
2018-05-25T21:00:14 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: that either you  didn't stress your chain, or that your cogs are worn as shit
2018-05-25T21:00:38 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: of course, I changed the cassette along with the chain. 
2018-05-25T21:00:45 < PaulFertser> When it started skipping.
2018-05-25T21:01:38 < PaulFertser> But new 8-speed cassette costed like 1.5x-2x the chain.
2018-05-25T21:01:58 < BrainDamage> how much do you pay for a new chain?
2018-05-25T21:02:26 < PaulFertser> I do not remember, but it was a regular shimano chain.
2018-05-25T21:02:53 < BrainDamage> I destroy a chain every ~6 months
2018-05-25T21:02:56 < PaulFertser> Let's check on CRC
2018-05-25T21:03:08 < BrainDamage> the chain costs me about 8 bucks
2018-05-25T21:03:20 < BrainDamage> the sprockets would cost 35-40
2018-05-25T21:04:42 < Ultrasauce> think we have some divergent use cases here
2018-05-25T21:05:16 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ru/en/shimano-acera-hg41-8-speed-mtb-cassette/rp-prod68154 http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ru/en/shimano-hg71-6-8-speed-chain/rp-prod128727
2018-05-25T21:05:48 < BrainDamage> hah, your cassette costs as much as the chain
2018-05-25T21:06:00 < sync> I usually change them at the same time
2018-05-25T21:06:01 < BrainDamage> I can understand why you change them together then
2018-05-25T21:06:11 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: what's your cassette and why?
2018-05-25T21:06:32 < BrainDamage> I need to dig up, I have written somewhere
2018-05-25T21:07:32 < PaulFertser> KMC chain is a bit cheaper.
2018-05-25T21:10:44 < jpa-> i rode about 5k without changing chain.. then had to change all drivetrain parts
2018-05-25T21:11:24 < PaulFertser> Including all the front sprockets?
2018-05-25T21:12:07 < jpa-> yeah (well they were riveted together so had to replace the whole pack even though only the highest was particularly worn)
2018-05-25T21:12:41 < jpa-> and replaced rear derailler also, though i think that was worn more by time than stretched chain
2018-05-25T21:12:47 < PaulFertser> So it's just a chap model then.
2018-05-25T21:13:00 < jpa-> yeah cheapest model there was :P
2018-05-25T21:13:02 < PaulFertser> I think you could have probably replaced just the jockey wheel in the deraileur.
2018-05-25T21:13:12 < jpa-> probably
2018-05-25T21:14:46 < englishman> PaulFertser: install keil
2018-05-25T21:14:52 < englishman> and get a discovery with stlink
2018-05-25T21:14:54 < englishman> plug into kid
2018-05-25T21:14:59 < kaa> I need those new things that you have rubber on
2018-05-25T21:15:01 < englishman> come back in 2y and donate to his dickstarter
2018-05-25T21:15:03 < Luggi09> englishman: that stuff ? https://www.digikey.at/product-detail/de/loctite/2023628/1000-138-ND/5800758
2018-05-25T21:15:03 < kaa> in handlebar
2018-05-25T21:15:07 -!- Luggi09 is now known as Lux
2018-05-25T21:15:17 < englishman> hey Lux
2018-05-25T21:15:21 < englishman> yes but the T4
2018-05-25T21:15:23 < BrainDamage> kaa: hand grips?
2018-05-25T21:15:28 < kaa> yes
2018-05-25T21:15:40 < kaa> thanks
2018-05-25T21:15:53 < Lux> got myself into doing a board by hand and need some stuff
2018-05-25T21:15:55 < jpa-> PaulFertser: i'd want to recommend micropython but not sure if there is any suitable packaged solution.. perhaps m5stack?
2018-05-25T21:15:56 < PaulFertser> englishman: if I was that kid that would probably be ok. But the one I'm thinking about is not much into programming (probably yet).
2018-05-25T21:16:07 < Lux> englishman: thanks :)
2018-05-25T21:16:26 < BrainDamage> my grips are worn as shit, but I use gloves, so as long as they don't start rotating or i touch metal it's ok
2018-05-25T21:17:15 < kaa> I turned my grips around because upside of the grip plastic was visible
2018-05-25T21:17:16 < englishman> you don't have to keep it in the fridge. so it is wet and ready 24/7
2018-05-25T21:17:21 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: wow, what's the total distance?
2018-05-25T21:17:45 < kaa> always - always use double locked grips
2018-05-25T21:18:06 < Ultrasauce> think the rms of his elevation changes are the best metric
2018-05-25T21:18:09 < kaa> single end locked or without locking is a joke
2018-05-25T21:19:06 < kaa> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Double-Lock-Hand-Grip-Handle-Bar-Throttle-Pocket-Dirt-Pit-Bike-BMX-MTB-Rubber/381739130245 aand here we go
2018-05-25T21:19:17 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: no idea, I do 300-400 km/week, and I ride from about march to october, with 4 weeks/month and it's 3 years I have It, it'd make 33.5Mm
2018-05-25T21:19:37 < BrainDamage> 3.5 years I have it*
2018-05-25T21:19:43 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: nice!
2018-05-25T21:19:48 < jpa-> http://m5stack.com/assets/img/products/Faces/FACES%20(4).png     just like C64, except less ram free ;)
2018-05-25T21:19:57 < Lux> such marketing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epkl1kl4gH4
2018-05-25T21:20:37 < BrainDamage> nodejs on embedded, thanks, now I know what technological nightmares are from
2018-05-25T21:23:08 < dongs> what happens when you have say 1V/10A dc/dc converter and you are trying to use it to make say 8V/10A
2018-05-25T21:23:26 < dongs> (all other parameters unchanged)
2018-05-25T21:23:49 < Ultrasauce> you'll get <8V and a saturating inductor making a shitton of heat
2018-05-25T21:24:20 < Ultrasauce> (or a controller that gives up)
2018-05-25T21:24:41 < dongs> so i should not expect more than 8V@1.2A or whatever out of it right?
2018-05-25T21:24:46 < dongs> because watts or whatever.
2018-05-25T21:24:53 < Ultrasauce> or whatever
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2018-05-25T21:25:53 < kaa> I do 1km per day usually
2018-05-25T21:26:00 < BrainDamage> that's one thing, the other is that inductors are sized so that the current never reaches 0
2018-05-25T21:26:19 < dongs> well, i could change inductor too
2018-05-25T21:26:23 < kaa> I turn the pedals like 3times and I'm at work
2018-05-25T21:26:33 < kaa> same thing back home
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2018-05-25T21:26:51 < BrainDamage> if you stretch your dcdc too much, it might, and when it does, the inductor works in what's called dcm
2018-05-25T21:26:58 < BrainDamage> which a) turns the efficiency to shit and b) turns your load regulation to shit
2018-05-25T21:29:38 < Streaker> If it's based on a common dcdc converter chip you can do it trivially by reading the datashit
2018-05-25T21:30:23 < dongs> well, i am reading it. but all the specs for this part are for making some voltages <= 1V @ high current
2018-05-25T21:31:14 < Streaker> Then its probably a part with a ridiculously low Vcc max.
2018-05-25T21:31:25 < dongs> apparently up to 24V
2018-05-25T21:32:00 < Streaker> Link to datasheet?
2018-05-25T21:32:08 < dongs> http://www.aosmd.com/res/data_sheets/AOZ2261QI-10.pdf
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2018-05-25T21:35:49 < Streaker> The "detailed description" has all the formulae you need. It can do 10V/1A
2018-05-25T21:36:09 < dongs> yes, but it cannot do 10V/8A, which was my original point, right?
2018-05-25T21:36:28 < BrainDamage> corret
2018-05-25T21:36:36 < Streaker> It can according to the datasheet.
2018-05-25T21:37:39 < Streaker> I haven't checked the max dissipation limits of that chip
2018-05-25T21:38:04 < Streaker> It should be very low since it's such a tiny chip
2018-05-25T21:38:13 < dongs> 40C/W
2018-05-25T21:38:18 < kakimir> dongs, shouldn't you sleep
2018-05-25T21:38:24 < dongs> yea. im autisming
2018-05-25T21:38:32 < BrainDamage> can't sleep, must innovate
2018-05-25T21:38:42 < kakimir> I bet it's 5AM there
2018-05-25T21:38:49 < dongs> 3.40
2018-05-25T21:38:52 < dongs> but yea im outa here
2018-05-25T21:38:58 < kakimir> yeah buddy
2018-05-25T21:39:11 < kakimir> 3.40 is good time to go to bed
2018-05-25T21:39:18 < BrainDamage> 150 junc temp, and 40°C/W makes for 3W dissipation max
2018-05-25T21:39:30 < kakimir> I go to bed 3.40AM to
2018-05-25T21:39:31 < kakimir> too
2018-05-25T21:40:24 < BrainDamage> which makes at 26mOhm Rdson 10A
2018-05-25T21:41:27 < kakimir> where do you have such high Rdson
2018-05-25T21:41:48 < BrainDamage> high side Rdson
2018-05-25T21:41:52 < BrainDamage> the low side is half
2018-05-25T21:42:55 < Streaker> 3W is optimistic for a 4x4mm qfn don't you think?
2018-05-25T21:43:13 < BrainDamage> it is, it's abs max rating at 30°C temp
2018-05-25T21:43:26 < kakimir> yeah
2018-05-25T21:43:30 < Ultrasauce> at 40C/W that's a bit toasty though
2018-05-25T21:43:46 < BrainDamage> 150°C junction temp, literally abs max
2018-05-25T21:43:48 < kakimir> it depends on how much you have copper around it
2018-05-25T21:44:11 < kakimir> but I assume very little
2018-05-25T21:44:14 < BrainDamage> yes and no, no matter how much copper you have, you cannot reduce junction-to-package thermal resistance
2018-05-25T21:44:15 < kakimir> because 4x4
2018-05-25T21:44:21 < kakimir> true
2018-05-25T21:44:31 < kakimir> go to powerso-8
2018-05-25T21:44:49 < Streaker> this thing has pads on the bottom
2018-05-25T21:45:16 < kakimir> what are you building bro?
2018-05-25T21:45:31 < kakimir> pics
2018-05-25T21:45:49 < Streaker> not me. dongs is probably building a genitalstim device
2018-05-25T21:46:03 < kakimir> hmm
2018-05-25T21:46:16 < kakimir> that is like a switching regulator in small package
2018-05-25T21:46:20 < BrainDamage> 8A electrostimulator
2018-05-25T21:46:31 < kakimir> how much?
2018-05-25T21:47:29 < kakimir> 0.42usd
2018-05-25T21:47:30 < kakimir> and zero availibility
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2018-05-25T21:48:52 < Streaker> how do these tiny Taiwanese companies come up with parts that are better than what the big names (LT, Vishay etc) are selling?
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2018-05-25T21:51:31 < kaa> ##genitialstim32
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2018-05-25T21:56:17 < kaa> is there a button in eclipse to go to text pointer
2018-05-25T21:56:23 < kaa> or whatever it's called
2018-05-25T21:56:32 < kaa> just quickly go there
2018-05-25T21:56:37 < kaa> oh.. arrows
2018-05-25T21:57:12 < kaa> is there like a system to keep track of code editing and go between places
2018-05-25T21:57:22 < kaa> like if I edit defines and code at the same time
2018-05-25T21:57:29 < BrainDamage> bookmarks?
2018-05-25T21:57:32 < kaa> and want to jump between them
2018-05-25T21:57:36 < Ultrasauce> split view
2018-05-25T21:57:43 < kaa> yeah but I don't want bookmarks
2018-05-25T21:57:59 < kaa> I just want to go back where I last were
2018-05-25T21:58:10 < kaa> with a push of button
2018-05-25T21:58:32 < Ultrasauce> the real answer is move them to a header and switch between files
2018-05-25T21:58:59 < Ultrasauce> or don't make your source files so obnoxiously large that scrolling back and forth is a pain
2018-05-25T21:59:01 < Steffanx> alt+ arrows iirc
2018-05-25T21:59:13 < Steffanx> it'll move to the position/file you where before that
2018-05-25T21:59:54 < kaa> sweet
2018-05-25T21:59:59 < kaa> that is all I wanted
2018-05-25T22:00:17 < Steffanx> i know
2018-05-25T22:00:22 < kaa> alt and sideways arrows
2018-05-25T22:00:24 < Steffanx> its all you need
2018-05-25T22:00:33 < kaa> I'm a simple man
2018-05-25T22:00:38 < kaa> I write one file projects
2018-05-25T22:01:01 < kaa> seriously my work project is 2 files by me
2018-05-25T22:01:09 < kaa> board.h and mainfile
2018-05-25T22:01:43 < kaa> don't judge me
2018-05-25T22:02:14 < kaa> I made like 20files system that only purpose is to encode / decode strings to integers and back
2018-05-25T22:02:28 < kaa> that is the other end of spectrum
2018-05-25T22:02:49 < kaa> I chopped it down to small pieces and scattered them all in seperate files
2018-05-25T22:03:07 < BrainDamage> what kind of spectrum? :J
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2018-05-25T22:03:24 < kaa> autism spectrum
2018-05-25T22:03:53 < Steffanx> uh?
2018-05-25T22:05:28 < Steffanx> I made like 20files system that only purpose is to encode / decode strings to integers and back ?!
2018-05-25T22:05:37 < Steffanx> 20 files?
2018-05-25T22:05:53 < kaa> not really but something like around 15
2018-05-25T22:06:41 < Steffanx> but wtf? Whats so special about those strings that oyu need 15 files?
2018-05-25T22:07:12 < kaa> okay I have 15headers and 11source files
2018-05-25T22:07:17 < Steffanx> brownish with flowers superbia1?
2018-05-25T22:07:34 < kaa> best case header and source have only one function inside
2018-05-25T22:07:38 < Steffanx> but still " encode / decode strings to integers and back". hae an example of that?
2018-05-25T22:09:26 < kaa> if I have like "<+0000.0000><-1111.1111>" it returns a list of structtype that has sign, point place, point enabled, number of digits, integer etc.etc.
2018-05-25T22:09:34 < kaa> and does it another way around too
2018-05-25T22:10:15 < kaa> it can do also stuff like <+.01234567>
2018-05-25T22:10:36 < kaa> encoder has option for automatic omiting leading zeros
2018-05-25T22:12:15 < kaa> lower level parser deals with those <> stuffs
2018-05-25T22:12:32 < kaa> slash encoder when another way around
2018-05-25T22:12:48 < kaa> higher level deals with the filling
2018-05-25T22:12:50 < Steffanx> but how you need 15 files for that?
2018-05-25T22:13:28 < kaa> let's say I have header and source called strrmchar
2018-05-25T22:13:41 < kaa> it has one function called strrmchar
2018-05-25T22:13:50 < kaa> that removes a character from string
2018-05-25T22:14:19 < kaa> let's say I have a header and source called quickpow10
2018-05-25T22:14:42 < kaa> only thing it has is functions that return 10^ stuff from const array
2018-05-25T22:14:52 < kaa> then I have test function files
2018-05-25T22:15:02 < kaa> error macro files
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2018-05-25T22:15:14 < kaa> performance
2018-05-25T22:15:16 < kaa> portability
2018-05-25T22:15:30 < Steffanx> Ty for the explanation kaa :P
2018-05-25T22:15:32 < kaa> even nested loops for test functions
2018-05-25T22:15:49 < kaa> in seperated files
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2018-05-25T22:16:09 < Steffanx> You didnt just do the parsing, you wrote an entire libary around it.
2018-05-25T22:16:35 < kaa> well what should I remove from it?
2018-05-25T22:16:41 < kaa> tests?
2018-05-25T22:16:46 < kaa> portability?
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2018-05-25T22:17:03 < kaa> performance tests?
2018-05-25T22:17:21 < kaa> well I think it can be called a module
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2018-05-25T22:21:46 < kaa> it beats printf in performance tests on pc in some cases
2018-05-25T22:22:24 < kaa> but it's made for mcu use so there is things like how much does it weight
2018-05-25T22:24:18 < kaa> I had to deliver the code to 3rd party when I made claims it was way faster than standard functions
2018-05-25T22:24:45 < kaa> so they did the measurements
2018-05-25T22:26:55 < kaa> on pc
2018-05-25T22:28:20 < englishman> ha, you can buy unmarked 0603 resistors to make your shit slightly more annoying to clone
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2018-05-25T22:28:58 < Ultrasauce> glibc printf is slooooow
2018-05-25T22:30:23 < kaa> annoying yes
2018-05-25T22:30:26 < kaa> but nothing else
2018-05-25T22:30:38 < kaa> I did reverse competitor product at work
2018-05-25T22:30:43 < kaa> see their tricks
2018-05-25T22:32:01 < kaa> just sitting front of keysight 34465A taking caps and shiet off
2018-05-25T22:32:24 < kaa> I multipin packs I threw to 10eur chinese LCR meter 
2018-05-25T22:32:42 < kaa> that successfully told me what the parts were
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2018-05-25T22:36:21 < kaa> still wondering about transient protection block because I don't have means to measure such high voltages it would require
2018-05-25T23:06:21 < stvn> clonovate it 
2018-05-25T23:08:19 < kaa> no
2018-05-25T23:08:22 < kaa> I kaki it
2018-05-25T23:08:47 < kaa> they use some big expensive pic
2018-05-25T23:08:52 < kaa> I use lpc1111
2018-05-25T23:12:47 < stvn> pic?
2018-05-25T23:13:04 < kaa> 8bit mcu
2018-05-25T23:14:01 < kaa> I made the thing way more simplier and performace of first prototype was 10times better than competitor
2018-05-25T23:14:23 < kaa> performance as the key function of the device
2018-05-25T23:14:35 < kaa> TBD
2018-05-25T23:15:16 < stvn> wut is it anyway
2018-05-25T23:17:03 < kaa> TBD
2018-05-25T23:17:25 < kaa> it's related to leds
2018-05-25T23:17:33 < stvn> tiny black dick
2018-05-25T23:17:38 < kaa> yes
2018-05-25T23:17:41 < stvn> cool
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2018-05-25T23:24:53 < Steffanx> welcome stvn
2018-05-25T23:25:21 < kaa> codes for the day are done
2018-05-25T23:25:36 < kaa> wrote board.h to one of my personal projects
2018-05-25T23:25:56 < Steffanx> what was it? #include <sma.h> ?
2018-05-25T23:25:56 < englishman> Ultrasauce: https://i.imgur.com/Q9a5Svq.jpg
2018-05-25T23:25:59 < stvn> hhi stffn
2018-05-25T23:26:11 < Steffanx> such qfn soldering englishman
2018-05-25T23:26:33 < BrainDamage> nice strip focus tecnique
2018-05-25T23:26:53 < stvn> ty englishman 
2018-05-25T23:27:22 < englishman> macro lens and f/9.0
2018-05-25T23:27:58 < kaa> I did my latest prototype at works with paste and stencil
2018-05-25T23:28:03 < kaa> really nice results
2018-05-25T23:28:13 < Steffanx> Question is, what are you display porting englishman?
2018-05-25T23:28:24 < kaa> even amounts of solder,some parts needed some poking
2018-05-25T23:28:34 < kaa> dongsboards
2018-05-25T23:31:44 < Ultrasauce> nice
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2018-05-25T23:57:21 < bitmask> grr, why does my sobel filter work but for some reason my gaussian blur doesnt
2018-05-25T23:58:37 < antto> wut'cha blurring?
2018-05-25T23:59:06 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/d9c8Ujt.png
2018-05-25T23:59:24 < bitmask> filtering images to convert to a type of svg my drawing robot can draw
2018-05-25T23:59:28 < bitmask> pen plotter
2018-05-25T23:59:38 < kakimir> edge detection
2018-05-25T23:59:45 < bitmask> blurring beforehand usually helps edge detection filter out noise
2018-05-25T23:59:46 < BrainDamage> edgy detection
2018-05-25T23:59:51 < kakimir> yes
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2018-05-26T00:00:28 < BrainDamage> you blurred things out before they wre cool
2018-05-26T00:00:32 < antto> not sure what's the problem with your blur, but are you processing this in linear color space?
2018-05-26T00:00:48 < kakimir> that is the question I had too
2018-05-26T00:02:20 < bitmask> I'm doing a convolution kernel on grayscale image
2018-05-26T00:02:27 < bitmask> but it doesnt seem to have any affect which is weird
2018-05-26T00:02:36 < bitmask> effect*
2018-05-26T00:03:43 < BrainDamage> do it first on a bunch of squares
2018-05-26T00:03:51 < BrainDamage> you'll be able to easily see what you're getting
2018-05-26T00:06:14 < antto> yeah, and do it in linear color space for proper results
2018-05-26T00:11:18 < bitmask> oh I guess it is working
2018-05-26T00:11:35 < bitmask> its not as strong as I thought but maybe my sigma value is just slow, let me try soemthing higher
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2018-05-26T00:11:53 < bitmask> low*
2018-05-26T00:11:56 < bitmask> ugh I cant type today
2018-05-26T00:12:22 < bitmask> yea there we go
2018-05-26T00:12:31 < bitmask> its working fine :)
2018-05-26T00:12:43 < bitmask> thats for the square idea BrainDamage 
2018-05-26T00:12:46 < bitmask> thanks*
2018-05-26T00:12:48 < bitmask> jesus
2018-05-26T00:13:45 < antto> go home keyboard, ur drunk
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2018-05-26T00:22:46 < Steffanx> antto can you keep your rootkit under control please?
2018-05-26T00:23:08 < antto> what rootkit?
2018-05-26T00:24:47 < Steffanx> Damn is it really hiding in plain sight?
2018-05-26T00:29:05 < antto> i hurd u liek macro.. https://i.imgur.com/nq28yXx.jpg
2018-05-26T00:29:55 < englishman> why did you draw half a car on that ancient pth assembly
2018-05-26T00:30:19 < antto> coz of the capacitor
2018-05-26T00:30:32 < stvn> wtf is that pic
2018-05-26T00:30:43 < englishman> vroom?
2018-05-26T00:30:48 < englishman> i get jokes.
2018-05-26T00:31:02 < antto> original pic: https://i.imgur.com/zMdF7mn.jpg
2018-05-26T00:32:22 < Steffanx> Oh its a car. Failed to see that.
2018-05-26T00:32:35 < Steffanx> Did your rootkit draw this antto ?
2018-05-26T00:32:46 < antto> no, it woz me, in mspaint
2018-05-26T00:33:23 < Steffanx> Where did the "sup" go?
2018-05-26T00:34:00 < antto> it woz taken by teh aliens
2018-05-26T00:34:14 < antto> FBI still looking for it
2018-05-26T00:34:35 < antto> https://i.imgur.com/qNfsjS9.png
2018-05-26T00:34:39 < Steffanx> Did Blaxter get you an std? You started to talk like him
2018-05-26T00:34:51 < antto> wut?
2018-05-26T00:35:05 < Steffanx> Woz, teh. Muh heritage.
2018-05-26T00:35:27 < antto> is that a unique way of writing?
2018-05-26T00:35:37 < antto> i thought half teh internetz talks like that
2018-05-26T00:35:41 < Steffanx> Idk. 
2018-05-26T00:35:49 < antto> u should do some research
2018-05-26T00:35:54 < Steffanx> I visit the other half i guess
2018-05-26T00:36:03 < antto> the boring half
2018-05-26T00:36:49 < Steffanx> How was youe day antto ?
2018-05-26T00:37:04 < Steffanx> Your*
2018-05-26T00:37:05 < antto> average
2018-05-26T00:37:13 < Steffanx> Good.
2018-05-26T00:37:21 < englishman> https://zeptobars.com/en/read/AD9361-SDR-Analog-Devices-DAC-ADC-65nm
2018-05-26T00:38:17 < antto> moar macro https://i.imgur.com/rwZ9a.jpg
2018-05-26T00:38:29 < antto> soviet resist0rz
2018-05-26T00:40:53 < Steffanx> Stop the vodka.
2018-05-26T00:41:00 < englishman> Retail price of AD9361 at distributes is 275$, volume price from manufacturer is 175$.
2018-05-26T00:41:02 < englishman> wuuuuuuuuuuut
2018-05-26T00:46:43 < jadew> englishman, you're making an SDR or for a different application?
2018-05-26T00:46:54 < englishman> no, click the link
2018-05-26T00:51:08 < jadew> englishman, R&D for that sort of stuff is super expensive, not to mention a lot of proprietary technologies are being used in there
2018-05-26T00:51:22 < jadew> + a lot of know how that only a handful of people have
2018-05-26T00:51:58 < jadew> and it's also an awesome result, so they can milk it while the competition is low
2018-05-26T01:00:05 < sync> also depending on their process they might not have 50% yield
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2018-05-26T01:15:37 < jadew> can you add a custom design to a wafer?
2018-05-26T01:16:47 < BrainDamage> that's literally what lithography does
2018-05-26T01:18:34 < jadew> what is the expensive part tho? I thought those masks were
2018-05-26T01:19:02 < jadew> do they leave room for custom stuff or how exactly is that done?
2018-05-26T01:20:08 < BrainDamage> depends on the wafer, how it's going to be layout
2018-05-26T01:20:32 < BrainDamage> process variations are higher towards the edges
2018-05-26T01:20:57 < BrainDamage> some processes, esp those more at the edge of capabilities require dead space to even out a bit the variations
2018-05-26T01:21:16 < BrainDamage> the dead space can be fitted with lesser quality circuits
2018-05-26T01:21:46 < BrainDamage> it's also common practice to fit testing circuits in the place where the saws are going to cut out the dies
2018-05-26T01:21:53 < jadew> so they can test new designs only when they're making the masks for a known working one?
2018-05-26T01:22:28 < BrainDamage> simulations
2018-05-26T01:22:54 < jadew> yeah, simulations aside, I'm sure they test the result first, no?
2018-05-26T01:22:54 < BrainDamage> teams pride themselves in their first build failure rates
2018-05-26T01:23:15 < BrainDamage> depends how much the technology is pushing boundaries
2018-05-26T01:23:20 < jadew> or do they rely strictly on simulations and hope they don't waste an entire set of masks?
2018-05-26T01:23:30 < BrainDamage> for low tech you can hitch space
2018-05-26T01:23:41 < BrainDamage> for high tech, you need to prepare a full set of masks and pray
2018-05-26T01:23:56 < BrainDamage> the success rate for good teams can be as good as 90%
2018-05-26T01:24:12 < jadew> damn
2018-05-26T01:24:31 < jadew> I guess that when a design fails they analize the crap out of it
2018-05-26T01:25:09 < jadew> must be dissapointing
2018-05-26T01:25:26 < jadew> *disappointing
2018-05-26T01:25:56 < jadew> BrainDamage, I remember finding a service a couple of years ago where you could get your own IC made for 10k
2018-05-26T01:26:29 < zyp> I remember that
2018-05-26T01:26:47 < BrainDamage> you can, but you won't get RF processes for that
2018-05-26T01:26:50 < jadew> I guess they're just adding your design to their wafers
2018-05-26T01:27:08 < BrainDamage> also, there's multiple definitions of custom ICs
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2018-05-26T01:27:29 < BrainDamage> one common solution is a large grid of fixed param mos, and you only draw the metal layer(s)
2018-05-26T01:27:42 < BrainDamage> this reduces significantly the amount of masks that you have to design
2018-05-26T01:28:04 < BrainDamage> then they bundle designs from a lot of people, and make the metal layer masks with all the designs grouped
2018-05-26T01:29:16 < BrainDamage> more way more expensive processes, you can go full custom designs, but because of the mask investiments, they often enforce large min supply orders before even giving you the process details
2018-05-26T01:29:48 < BrainDamage> this may sound a bit idiotic, but what's really considered the trade secret is the process, not the device per se
2018-05-26T01:30:19 < BrainDamage> this because the device can be opened and observed as soon as it's on the market, but the method to build it as it is that's not
2018-05-26T01:30:21 < jadew> I thought it's all the same
2018-05-26T01:30:43 < BrainDamage> no, there's tricks everywhere
2018-05-26T01:30:45 < jadew> but I also remember an interview with the founders of linear technologies and they were talking about the failure rates
2018-05-26T01:31:24 < BrainDamage> eg how to reduce the area of capacitors by having the surface micro-corrugated, or the doping profiles to increase electron mobility, etc
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2018-05-26T01:31:57 < Laurenceb_> muh babby
2018-05-26T01:32:05 < BrainDamage> each manifacturer has a library of 'tricks' to make the design better, and that's their precious secrets
2018-05-26T01:34:02 < BrainDamage> the scale is generally [ only metal, fixed component types but arbitrary placement, fully custom doping profiles ]
2018-05-26T01:34:07 < jadew> BrainDamage, do you think they're designing at the very edge of the process even if they don't have to? just to prevent cloning?
2018-05-26T01:34:27 < BrainDamage> unlikely, it costs a fuckload
2018-05-26T01:34:47 < BrainDamage> not to mention, failure rates are way higher
2018-05-26T01:35:00 < BrainDamage> you do it because you have to, not because you want to
2018-05-26T01:36:18 < sync> Yes
2018-05-26T01:36:38 < BrainDamage> RF ics have become enough commonplace that they start to fall into the 2nd cathegory, but several still go to the third
2018-05-26T01:36:42 < sync> Also the cheap custom ICs are at a large feature size
2018-05-26T01:36:55 < sync> As the masks are cheaper
2018-05-26T01:37:11 < sync> And their process is fully streamlined
2018-05-26T01:39:53 < nn7> so, I'm just getting started on this STM stuff. I have a nucleo and I've compiled nuttx. when I plug the nucleo in, I see it shows up as a block device. 
2018-05-26T01:40:09 < nn7> I have to assume that I can't just DD that nucleo image onto the STM, right?
2018-05-26T01:41:03 < sync> BrainDamage: analolgue SiGe BiCMOS has been around for customers for about 10 years now
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2018-05-26T01:41:56 < sync> jadew: there are people paying full fabs to stay afloat because they rely on their process
2018-05-26T01:42:28 < sync> because their shit only works with their process/the NRE would be more expensive than just paying them for existing
2018-05-26T01:42:30 < BrainDamage> sync: sure, I'm not saying that, I'm saying that the 'standard library' of manifacturers has started to include enough RF-capable parts now, without having to ask for custom stuff
2018-05-26T01:42:58 < sync> simple standard cells have been around for some time
2018-05-26T01:43:14 < sync> but yes, it is easier now
2018-05-26T01:43:19 < BrainDamage> yes, but not 20Ghz fc transistors
2018-05-26T01:43:29 < sync> I like how FD SOI is now quite affordable
2018-05-26T01:43:32 < jadew> oh, the manufacturer is giving you a catalog of parts you can use?
2018-05-26T01:43:43 < sync> yes and no
2018-05-26T01:43:54 < BrainDamage> it gives you a catalogue of working doping profiles
2018-05-26T01:43:56 < sync> they say, they have a tested catalog of features they know that work
2018-05-26T01:44:10 < sync> and give you data for synopsys to make your own
2018-05-26T01:44:18 < sync> but they cannot tell you how it will work out
2018-05-26T01:44:20 < jadew> I see
2018-05-26T01:45:13 < sync> in the digital world you get standard cells like sram or some shit they have fully characterized
2018-05-26T01:45:35 < sync> so you can feed that into your HDL tool or whatever so it can generate your shit
2018-05-26T01:45:43 < sync> or you stuff the HDL into the fab
2018-05-26T01:45:47 < sync> and receive ICs
2018-05-26T01:45:48 < englishman> wow digikey is even out of 0.1u
2018-05-26T01:45:52 < nn7> any recommendations on tutorials on how to get started?
2018-05-26T01:46:00 < sync> yes englishman
2018-05-26T01:46:09 < emeb> englishman: nice writeup on the AD9361
2018-05-26T01:46:14 < sync> it is getting quite hard to get mlcc shit
2018-05-26T01:46:15 < englishman> yeah pretty cool
2018-05-26T01:46:18 < emeb> zeptobars does good work.
2018-05-26T01:46:31 < emeb> I've got one of those ADALM-PLUTO things
2018-05-26T01:46:39 < emeb> with a 9363 IIRC
2018-05-26T01:46:50 < englishman> need some 0.1u 0402 tantalums
2018-05-26T01:46:51 < emeb> very similar part - probably just off-spec die
2018-05-26T01:47:25 < emeb> try 0.12u or 0.15u
2018-05-26T01:47:33 < jadew> huh? what's the deal with MLCCs?
2018-05-26T01:47:39 < emeb> old story
2018-05-26T01:47:52 < emeb> mfgs weren't making enough profit on the big ones
2018-05-26T01:47:54 < sync> people bought all of them
2018-05-26T01:48:01 < englishman> yeah digikey lets you search ranges
2018-05-26T01:48:03 < englishman> still slim pickings
2018-05-26T01:48:11 < jadew> ah
2018-05-26T01:48:12 < emeb> so they reallocated mfg to small stuff < 0402
2018-05-26T01:48:19 < emeb> and now the world is on fire
2018-05-26T01:48:36 < sync> https://ec.kemet.com/mlcc_alternatives
2018-05-26T01:49:41 < englishman> ha
2018-05-26T01:49:45 < jadew> what are the affected values? I'm relying on some 10 uF ones
2018-05-26T01:49:48 < englishman> they are really suggesting using 0.1u tant decouplers
2018-05-26T01:49:58 < Rickta59> any of you use arrow.com? free overnight shipping no minimum order
2018-05-26T01:50:02 < englishman> up to 1MHz
2018-05-26T01:50:06 < englishman> yes Rickta59 arrow is amazing
2018-05-26T01:50:13 < englishman> i love arrow
2018-05-26T01:50:14 < BrainDamage> 10/10
2018-05-26T01:50:28 < sync> well you also hate arrow
2018-05-26T01:50:33 < englishman> yes also this
2018-05-26T01:50:39 < englishman> i hate those motherfuckers
2018-05-26T01:50:51 < Rickta59> i got a max10 deca board from them for like $60 .. on sale .. following their specials pays
2018-05-26T01:51:03 < emeb> such ambivalence
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2018-05-26T01:52:40 < kakimir> okay... best 40eur I have spend to audio
2018-05-26T01:52:56 < kakimir> pomu earpods
2018-05-26T01:53:33 < kakimir> kikestarter
2018-05-26T01:53:49 < jadew> tme has a couple of millions of 100 nF caps available, but I'm not sure if the price is right
2018-05-26T01:53:54 < jadew> it seems awfully expensive
2018-05-26T01:54:00 < kakimir> have you not heard?
2018-05-26T01:54:08 < jadew> I just did...
2018-05-26T01:54:22 < jadew> I ordered some a couple of weeks ago, I wonder how much I paid for them
2018-05-26T01:54:24 < jadew> let me check
2018-05-26T01:54:34 < kakimir> you paid the market price
2018-05-26T01:55:40 < BrainDamage> i tried to search for pomu earpods and I got a link to >Relaxing ASMR with a Greek goddess theme; heal your heart with the duality mistress. 
2018-05-26T01:56:01 < jadew> I paid half the price they are today, two weeks ago
2018-05-26T01:56:06 < BrainDamage> >Rated R-15 for certain ear licking eroticism >2 Goddess ear cleaning 
2018-05-26T01:56:06 < kakimir> try padmate pomu
2018-05-26T01:56:10 < jadew> should have gotten more...
2018-05-26T01:56:10 < kakimir> indiegogo
2018-05-26T01:56:39 < BrainDamage> pamu, not pomu
2018-05-26T01:57:03 < kakimir> they have ruined otherwise really nice sound with too hard bass
2018-05-26T01:57:07 < kakimir> too loud
2018-05-26T01:57:26 < kakimir> when it goes bellow certain frequency it's mad
2018-05-26T01:58:11 < kakimir> "they all like the bass"
2018-05-26T01:58:38 < BrainDamage> i use https://www.amazon.it/Sony-MDR-NC31EM-Auricolar-Digitale-Cancellazione/dp/B00HX9AJ5M/ref=pd_sbs_107_5?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=3M0S935QW2EKPHPW36YW
2018-05-26T01:58:40 < kakimir> I'm used to reference earphones with their flat sound
2018-05-26T01:59:01 < kakimir> what is that blug BrainDamage 
2018-05-26T01:59:11 < jadew> wtf... I paid $30 for 100 x 10 uF caps...
2018-05-26T01:59:15 < jadew> that doesn't sound right
2018-05-26T01:59:23 < kakimir> well
2018-05-26T01:59:32 < kakimir> that doesn't tell anything jadew 
2018-05-26T01:59:41 < jadew> 1206, MLCC
2018-05-26T01:59:52 < kakimir> that doesn't still tell anything
2018-05-26T02:00:04 < jadew> X5R?
2018-05-26T02:00:09 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-26T02:00:13 < kakimir> and
2018-05-26T02:00:19 < BrainDamage> kakimir: noise cancellation headphones, from sony
2018-05-26T02:00:37 < BrainDamage> unlike most noise cancellation headphones, those have no electronics and rely on the phone to manage them
2018-05-26T02:00:39 < bitmask> whats going on? why is everyone updating their privacy policy?
2018-05-26T02:00:45 < BrainDamage> gdpr
2018-05-26T02:00:48 < jadew> bitmask, new EU laws
2018-05-26T02:01:05 < bitmask> blah
2018-05-26T02:01:13 < BrainDamage> the tldr is that the law gave 2 years forewarning, but ofc everyone is rushing the changes just before
2018-05-26T02:01:15 < jadew> they thought the cookie notification wasn't annoying enough
2018-05-26T02:01:33 < kakimir> is there 5 pins in phone?
2018-05-26T02:01:42 < BrainDamage> depends on the phone
2018-05-26T02:01:43 < kakimir> for headphones
2018-05-26T02:01:44 < BrainDamage> not all do
2018-05-26T02:01:54 < BrainDamage> mine does support them
2018-05-26T02:02:37 < kakimir> what brand?
2018-05-26T02:03:28 < BrainDamage> also sony, but some chinese phones also have support
2018-05-26T02:03:32 < kakimir> Apple, Inc. - USBDevice - 4/25/2018 12:00:00 AM - 423.35
2018-05-26T02:03:38 < jadew> yep, last year I only paid $3 for the same order...
2018-05-26T02:03:43 < kakimir> what the fuck my windows is doing
2018-05-26T02:03:46 < jadew> same caps, in 100 qty
2018-05-26T02:04:00 < kakimir> I don't want anything apple to my perfect windows pc
2018-05-26T02:04:07 < BrainDamage> jesus fuck, people are made
2018-05-26T02:04:08 < BrainDamage> mad
2018-05-26T02:04:24 < BrainDamage> 250€ for a pair of headphones
2018-05-26T02:05:47 < kakimir> what type of headphones
2018-05-26T02:05:57 < BrainDamage> in-ear
2018-05-26T02:05:58 < kakimir> I pay that for my main headphones
2018-05-26T02:06:23 < kakimir> in-ear all just trash you use and throw away
2018-05-26T02:06:49 < kakimir> I had really good ones that lasted for 6years of abuse
2018-05-26T02:06:56 < kakimir> paid only 60eur
2018-05-26T02:07:31 < jadew> I don't like headphones
2018-05-26T02:07:43 < jadew> and speakers last for a lot longer
2018-05-26T02:15:14 < sync> yes but you cannot pump hardbass in the tram with speakers
2018-05-26T02:15:21 < sync> or you can, but you should not
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2018-05-26T02:15:56 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpz3ULlwPtA
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2018-05-26T02:38:58 < Laurenceb_> muh multiphysics Granfell tower is complete
2018-05-26T02:39:04 < Laurenceb_> *Grenfell
2018-05-26T02:41:24 < Laurenceb_> I was originally going to make a mutiphysics airship fire model and got distracted
2018-05-26T02:44:47 < Laurenceb_> the results are in after hours on muh xeon workstation
2018-05-26T02:44:58 < Laurenceb_> simulated Grenfell burns
2018-05-26T02:45:20 < Laurenceb_> but only if there is lots and lots of smoke from the initial fire
2018-05-26T02:56:56 < Cracki> did you simulate the... occupants... too?
2018-05-26T03:06:58 < Laurenceb_> lulno
2018-05-26T03:07:13 < Laurenceb_> but that brings me onto the obvious next step
2018-05-26T03:07:22 < Laurenceb_> multiphysics Auchwitz
2018-05-26T03:08:17 < Laurenceb_> I should probably return to airships lol
2018-05-26T03:08:34 < Laurenceb_> still more sane than multiphysics emdrive from nasaspaceflight forumz
2018-05-26T03:19:30 < Cracki> rollercoasters
2018-05-26T03:20:17 < Cracki> I hear you're sent down an inclined plane, then a door opens, and you're dumped into hell itself
2018-05-26T03:20:46 < Cracki> I'm legally mandated to believe that
2018-05-26T03:21:36 < Cracki> airships? you mean flying saucers? on the far side of the moon?
2018-05-26T03:21:40 < Laurenceb_> kek
2018-05-26T03:21:46 < Cracki> I know my history ;)
2018-05-26T03:22:02 < Laurenceb_> no, giant hydrogen filled glass fibre airships for container freight
2018-05-26T03:22:11 < Cracki> sounds very safe
2018-05-26T03:22:13 < Laurenceb_>  "only" issue is how to stop them catching fire
2018-05-26T03:22:15 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2018-05-26T03:22:31 < Laurenceb_> >can't believe he actually died. It's been a memi for so long
2018-05-26T03:22:39 < Laurenceb_> kek the comments are still delivering
2018-05-26T03:22:45 < Cracki> whar
2018-05-26T03:23:24 < Laurenceb_> TotalBiscuit
2018-05-26T03:23:43 < Laurenceb_> another example of meme magic
2018-05-26T03:23:54 < Cracki> heh
2018-05-26T03:24:07 < Laurenceb_> >be me
2018-05-26T03:24:14 < Laurenceb_> >talk to guys at wurk
2018-05-26T03:24:35 < Laurenceb_> >they spent megabux and two years trying to design now LED greenhouse lighting system
2018-05-26T03:24:39 < Laurenceb_> *new
2018-05-26T03:24:50 < Laurenceb_> >try the idea in multiphysics
2018-05-26T03:24:56 < Laurenceb_> >yet it working in 1 hour
2018-05-26T03:25:16 < Cracki> greenhouse lighting... what's there to design?
2018-05-26T03:25:36 < Cracki> know the lumens or whatever, know efficiency, know currents, done?
2018-05-26T03:28:09 < Cracki> I'm googling for multiphysics... comsol or ansys?
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2018-05-26T03:31:18 < Laurenceb_> elmer
2018-05-26T03:32:02 < Laurenceb_> Cracki: they wanted passively cooled high power stuff
2018-05-26T03:32:14 < Cracki> eh
2018-05-26T03:32:27 < Cracki> and no unicorn?
2018-05-26T03:32:34 < Laurenceb_> wut
2018-05-26T03:32:48 < Cracki> high power and passive cooling are opposites
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2018-05-26T03:33:01 < Laurenceb_> heh thats why they were struggling
2018-05-26T03:33:13 < Cracki> surprising
2018-05-26T03:33:36 < Laurenceb_> 150W/unit, 40C greenhouse temp, 60C max die temp
2018-05-26T03:33:42 < Cracki> balancing the energy budget is high school math, given the quantities
2018-05-26T03:33:52 < Laurenceb_> ikr
2018-05-26T03:33:54 < Laurenceb_> so much fail
2018-05-26T03:33:56 < Cracki> did they consider IP rating? greenhouses are humid
2018-05-26T03:34:07 < Laurenceb_> who knows
2018-05-26T03:34:11 < Laurenceb_> they failed 
2018-05-26T03:34:29 < Laurenceb_> but it looks very doable with the right vertical fin design
2018-05-26T03:34:38 < Cracki> plausible
2018-05-26T03:34:43 < Laurenceb_> just an utter waste of money anyway
2018-05-26T03:34:55 < Cracki> consider how long that stuff will run without maintenance... such as dusting the fins
2018-05-26T03:35:03 < Laurenceb_> costs way more than high pressure sodium and only a little more efficient
2018-05-26T03:35:11 < Cracki> lel
2018-05-26T03:35:17 < Laurenceb_> payback time is close to infinity accounting for lifetime
2018-05-26T03:35:28 < Laurenceb_> new HPS bulbs are v cheap
2018-05-26T03:35:45 < Laurenceb_> LEDs run at 60C dont last forever
2018-05-26T03:36:16 < Cracki> I love when a business critter has ideas
2018-05-26T03:36:57 < emeb_mac> but HPS doesn't provide business oppty for new players.
2018-05-26T03:37:08 < emeb_mac> so it must be discarded.
2018-05-26T03:37:17 < Laurenceb_> these guys https://greengage.global/
2018-05-26T03:37:27 < Laurenceb_> they seem to be working on more niece stuff now
2018-05-26T03:37:39 < Cracki> opportunity to make sales without margin
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2018-05-26T03:38:13 < Laurenceb_> in future LED might surpass HPS by a larger margin...
2018-05-26T03:38:13 < Cracki> >pig lighting
2018-05-26T03:38:30  * Laurenceb_ grabs his gadsen flag
2018-05-26T03:38:39 < Cracki> no steppy on piggy?
2018-05-26T03:39:13 < Laurenceb_> kill the pigs
2018-05-26T03:39:29 < Cracki> fight for your right to bacon?
2018-05-26T03:40:22 < Cracki> sometimes when I order some takeout (sandwich...), I add "with bacon"... I wonder if that's actual pig, given the people who handle the food
2018-05-26T03:40:42 < Laurenceb_> heh
2018-05-26T03:41:14 < Laurenceb_> I like how the greenhouse lighting plan apparently never happened
2018-05-26T03:41:23 < Laurenceb_> its all pig lighting and shit now
2018-05-26T03:41:27 < Cracki> hehe
2018-05-26T03:50:10 < Laurenceb_> they were literally buying random shit and bolting it together "surely this big heatsink will wurk"
2018-05-26T03:50:57 < Laurenceb_> turns out its very nonlinear, needs optimal fin dimensions and spacing, then it doesnt need to be very big at all, <1kg of fins for each lamp
2018-05-26T03:51:24 < Laurenceb_> they were up to 12kg and they ripped down sections of greenhouse roof lol
2018-05-26T03:54:57 < Cracki> lol
2018-05-26T03:55:06 < englishman> with laurent
2018-05-26T03:55:06 < Laurenceb_> truly epin level of fail
2018-05-26T03:55:20 < englishman> "working on paper" means 10y of practical development
2018-05-26T03:55:43 < englishman> "AXSEM is awesome! ....on paper" - laurent
2018-05-26T03:55:44 < Laurenceb_> wut its literally buying heatsinks off ebay/alibaba
2018-05-26T03:56:38 < englishman> 3200W of HPS/MH https://imgur.com/a/rzmvxwi
2018-05-26T03:57:15 < Laurenceb_> http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114103.jpg female incel'd "just" face on right
2018-05-26T03:57:41 < Laurenceb_> >open imgur link
2018-05-26T03:57:46 < Laurenceb_> >expecting weed farm
2018-05-26T03:57:53 < englishman> LEDs would have been 10x the price or more, the ROI on them drops to nonexistant as youd have to add heaters anyway
2018-05-26T03:57:59 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2018-05-26T03:58:12 < Laurenceb_> what are you growing?
2018-05-26T03:58:40 < englishman> everything
2018-05-26T03:58:43 < Laurenceb_> sheet just reading that jpg
2018-05-26T03:58:57 < Laurenceb_> >43year old female basement dwelling incel
2018-05-26T03:59:14 < Laurenceb_> i cant even
2018-05-26T03:59:25 < englishman> just your type
2018-05-26T03:59:37 < Laurenceb_> ikr
2018-05-26T04:00:01 < Laurenceb_> this explains all the matches I get on dating sites
2018-05-26T04:03:10 < Laurenceb_> http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114104.jpg
2018-05-26T04:04:29 < Laurenceb_> >ppl dont get the uk centric jokes
2018-05-26T04:05:12 < Cracki> who is "Ken"
2018-05-26T04:05:32 < Cracki> nvm, livingstone
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2018-05-26T04:05:54 < Cracki> hehehe
2018-05-26T04:06:17 < Cracki> gotta love the lefties. they can't decide who to be outraged *over*, and who to be outraged *for*
2018-05-26T04:09:51 < jadew> Laurenceb_, he was the love of her life only because she couldn't do better
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2018-05-26T04:10:37 < Laurenceb_> ikr, Ken seems like a genuine nice guy
2018-05-26T04:10:51 < Laurenceb_> but they throw him out of the window as an easy target
2018-05-26T04:10:54 < Cracki> except for the whole socialist stuff
2018-05-26T04:11:01 < Laurenceb_> kek
2018-05-26T04:11:04 < Laurenceb_> muh free market
2018-05-26T04:11:05 < jadew> also, if she broke up with him so late in life, it's unlikely he was the love of her life, she either skipped that because she was a slut her entire life, or she's simply lying
2018-05-26T04:11:22 < Cracki> some people don't have the capacity for love
2018-05-26T04:11:23 < jadew> the love of your life happens when your teen years end or about that age
2018-05-26T04:11:45 < Cracki> don't say that. you make me cry.
2018-05-26T04:12:03 < Laurenceb_> hehe
2018-05-26T04:12:11 < Laurenceb_> forever alone . jpg
2018-05-26T04:12:44 < Cracki> only until the (inevitable) world war, and in the aftermath, I can bag a cutie of my choice and nobody will say anything
2018-05-26T04:13:04 < emeb_mac> there are a lot of things about you that crystallize at the end of the teen years or about
2018-05-26T04:13:15 < Cracki> plan B: build your own waifu(male) bot
2018-05-26T04:13:29 < emeb_mac> after that you're just getting old and dying
2018-05-26T04:13:49 < Cracki> dear sir, have you bought your grave plot yet?
2018-05-26T04:13:57 < jadew> emeb_mac, you still evolve, but that period is extremely special, yeah
2018-05-26T04:14:12 < emeb_mac> And then AARP starts sending you junk mail
2018-05-26T04:14:26 < jadew> lol Cracki
2018-05-26T04:16:20 < Cracki> would have found love by now if the "market" at universities weren't so heavily skewed to the hard left
2018-05-26T04:16:30 < jadew> I've been thinking about that bond we form at that age and I've been wondering if we're supposed to live the rest of our lives with that person or if it's meant not to be, so you get to experience all that crap
2018-05-26T04:16:42 < Cracki> "that bond"?
2018-05-26T04:16:59 < Cracki> that bond you forge when you spend 8+ hours a day doing exactly the same things (school)?
2018-05-26T04:17:07 < Cracki> your brains ARE FORCED to synchronize
2018-05-26T04:17:22 < Cracki> you can reproduce that anytime
2018-05-26T04:17:29 < Cracki> that's why I'm such a fan of pair programming
2018-05-26T04:17:48 < jadew> don't think it has anything to do with school
2018-05-26T04:18:15 < Cracki> if you're talking about first love, that's supposed to hurt
2018-05-26T04:18:20 < jadew> we go to school most of our lives
2018-05-26T04:18:35 < jadew> Cracki, not necessarily the first love
2018-05-26T04:18:53 < jadew> but there's usually one that's the most powerful
2018-05-26T04:19:05 < Cracki> sure
2018-05-26T04:19:07 < jadew> and it rarely goes to fruition (marriage)
2018-05-26T04:19:14 < Cracki> >fruition
2018-05-26T04:19:19 < Cracki> I'd call that making kids
2018-05-26T04:19:25 < jadew> yeah, you know
2018-05-26T04:19:27 < jadew> the whole thing
2018-05-26T04:19:30 < Cracki> :P
2018-05-26T04:19:31 < jadew> it never happens
2018-05-26T04:19:57 < Cracki> *headscratch*
2018-05-26T04:20:00 < jadew> everyone ends up heart broken and the question is if that is normal, or it's just a result of how our society has evolved
2018-05-26T04:20:07 < jadew> keeping us kids for much longer than we should be
2018-05-26T04:22:40 < Cracki> uh
2018-05-26T04:22:46 < Cracki> life is pain and then you die
2018-05-26T04:23:24 < Cracki> no, I don't think it matters for how long we're kept in the slushy brain state
2018-05-26T04:23:29 < jadew> it's not all pain
2018-05-26T04:23:44 < Cracki> it's pain and happiness and pain and happiness and so on
2018-05-26T04:23:54 < Cracki> if you stop after pain, you've lost
2018-05-26T04:24:02 < jadew> lol
2018-05-26T04:24:37 < Cracki> "kill your darlings" is good advice, not just for authors.
2018-05-26T04:24:56 < jadew> I'm not familiar with that idiom
2018-05-26T04:24:58 < Cracki> get rejected? strangle them
2018-05-26T04:25:19 < Cracki> lots of cultures punish adultery severely
2018-05-26T04:25:35 < Cracki> just because westerners pretend to be creatures of light doesn't mean we are
2018-05-26T04:26:23 < jadew> I think adultery is the biggest trick evolution has played on us
2018-05-26T04:27:12 < jadew> like you say, it's frowned upon, because nobody wants to raise anyone's children, but we're also possesive and protective of our families AND at the same time we want to fuck other people
2018-05-26T04:27:34 < Cracki> you're speaking as a dick-haver now, right?
2018-05-26T04:27:36 < jadew> I think that's how the genes get shuffled the best, while offering bastards a nurturing home
2018-05-26T04:27:50 < Peter_M> good job biology, you get along just fine with society
2018-05-26T04:27:52 < Cracki> dicks are shaped like they are so you scoop out your competition
2018-05-26T04:28:15 < Cracki> lions kill their stepkids. makes sense.
2018-05-26T04:28:24 < Cracki> their father wasn't as strong.
2018-05-26T04:28:50 < Cracki> an unstable "dating market" makes for an unstable society
2018-05-26T04:29:48 < jadew> haven't figured out yet why society seems to fall apart
2018-05-26T04:29:54 < Cracki> when you get that mating instinct is getting ordered, you're free to worry about other things, such as art and culture
2018-05-26T04:30:03 < Cracki> it falls apart because certain forces want it to
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2018-05-26T04:30:12 < Cracki> can I interest you in some identity politics?
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2018-05-26T04:30:27 < Cracki> "society" isn't everyone's society. just the one you live in.
2018-05-26T04:30:38 < Cracki> some other societies are fiercely guarded.
2018-05-26T04:30:55 < Cracki> just recently, like 50 people were shot and thousands wounded... for that reason
2018-05-26T04:32:45 < jadew> we don't have identity politics in my country
2018-05-26T04:32:56 < jadew> mainly because we're all the same
2018-05-26T04:33:04 < Laurenceb_> kek
2018-05-26T04:33:12 < Laurenceb_> equally poor
2018-05-26T04:33:25 < Cracki> romania? hm, sounds lovely
2018-05-26T04:33:58 < Cracki> but you better be on the lookout for outsiders who want to convince you of the "virtues" of national suicide
2018-05-26T04:34:02 < jadew> Laurenceb_, we're clearly not on par with other countries, but I think that's mainly a difference in the conversion ration, not in the standard of living
2018-05-26T04:34:38 < jadew> like... 1k here gets you the same thing 4k may get you in the UK for example
2018-05-26T04:34:45 < Cracki> romania has been part of the soviet union, eh?
2018-05-26T04:34:49 < jadew> yeah
2018-05-26T04:34:58 < Cracki> no wonder you're behind
2018-05-26T04:35:08 < Cracki> it takes time to develop infrastructure
2018-05-26T04:35:15 < jadew> yeah, progress has been slow, but it's happening
2018-05-26T04:37:36 < Laurenceb_> you need a hyperloop :P
2018-05-26T04:37:53  * Laurenceb_ is reading the hyperloop "paper" again
2018-05-26T04:38:00 < Laurenceb_> textbook example of a psyop
2018-05-26T04:38:24 < jadew> I lost another day not doing one minute of work
2018-05-26T04:38:33 < Laurenceb_> heh
2018-05-26T04:39:35 < jadew> I'll work tomorrow
2018-05-26T04:40:34 < Cracki> ah don't remind me, gotta get some stuff done for the boss too
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2018-05-26T05:59:19 < dongs> jadew: thats called autism, you're getting it by being in this channel
2018-05-26T06:01:56 < Cracki> 8=D
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2018-05-26T06:24:00 < dongs> It is also interested in what the pedestrian was up to before the crash, [...] Toxicology results showed she tested positive for methamphetamine and marijuana.
2018-05-26T06:24:03 < dongs> haha
2018-05-26T06:50:00 < stvn> lol
2018-05-26T06:51:05 < stvn> jadew: are you prepared to die for irc?
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2018-05-26T06:52:43 < dongs> https://nypost.com/2018/05/25/rape-suspect-found-not-guilty-after-showing-penis-in-court/
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2018-05-26T07:17:04 < stvn> lolIt didn’t get James out of serving hard time, however — he’s already doing 65 years behind bars for breaking into a house and raping a 10-year-old girl, according to records.
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2018-05-26T07:40:32 < englishman> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/628579643/natede-the-most-amazing-smart-natural-air-purifier
2018-05-26T07:40:35 < englishman> it's a plant
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2018-05-26T07:44:26 < stvn> lol
2018-05-26T07:44:48 < stvn> the next thuderf00t vid i guess....
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2018-05-26T09:45:47 < dongs> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/28/teslas_splitting_with_sensor_supplier/ jews did tesla
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2018-05-26T10:32:54 < dongs> im hungry for some extreme pi overclocking
2018-05-26T10:33:02 < dongs> with liquid nitrogen
2018-05-26T10:37:59 < c10ud> wut
2018-05-26T10:38:13 < Steffanx> Thats no innovating. Someone has done that before
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2018-05-26T11:09:38 < Thorn> stm32 uarts are 8x or 16x oversampling. lpc8 uart seems to be 3x. what is the difference in practice
2018-05-26T11:37:13 < antto> the difference is in reception, error checking
2018-05-26T11:37:18 < antto> moar == bett0r
2018-05-26T11:38:00 < antto> well, there's probably a factor above which it starts to become pointless, but 3 is definately too low IMO
2018-05-26T11:50:37 < zyp> more oversampling means it copes better with frequency mismatch and signal degradation, so you have a larger margin before communication starts getting unreliable
2018-05-26T11:51:40 < antto> uhm, i'd say, without oversampling, you can't have certain error checking
2018-05-26T11:52:32 < antto> iirc there was some theorem about error detection, with some optimal values (multi-dimensional shizzle)
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2018-05-26T12:18:51 < Thorn> do SPI receivers also oversample?
2018-05-26T12:19:33 < zyp> no, they are synchronous, so they sample at the clock edge exactly
2018-05-26T12:19:51 < zyp> UART receivers need to recover the clock
2018-05-26T12:20:05 < Thorn> IIRC I've seen some HDL examples that did implement oversampling
2018-05-26T12:20:12 < Thorn> SPI
2018-05-26T12:20:25 < Thorn> and/or i2C
2018-05-26T12:20:53 < BrainDamage> i2c is asyncronous
2018-05-26T12:20:56 < BrainDamage> spi not
2018-05-26T12:21:27 < zyp> i2c is also synchronous
2018-05-26T12:21:32 < antto> i'm not sure about usart in synch mode tho
2018-05-26T12:21:37 < zyp> except start/stop conditions
2018-05-26T12:21:38 < antto> but i'm too lazy to check datasheet
2018-05-26T12:21:57 < BrainDamage> oh, I'm dumb, scl
2018-05-26T12:22:02 < BrainDamage> serial clock
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2018-05-26T12:24:22 < Thorn> is there any difference between sync usart and SPI btw?
2018-05-26T12:24:38 < Thorn> the protocols that they implement that is
2018-05-26T12:26:26 < antto> there's a diff of course
2018-05-26T12:26:37 < antto> usart typically has a "frame"
2018-05-26T12:27:06 < antto> SPI is usually bare data bits, and typically the clock stays stopped unless you transmit
2018-05-26T12:27:12 < antto> usart clock runs all the time
2018-05-26T12:27:18 < Thorn> so sync usart still has a start bit?
2018-05-26T12:27:28 < antto> of course
2018-05-26T12:27:43 < antto> it simplifies the receiver
2018-05-26T12:27:54 < antto> no need to know the bitrate of the master
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2018-05-26T13:24:41 < jpa-> Thorn: on STM32 yeah, on some other cpus (IIRC atleast efr32, pic) USART can be configured to talk like SPI and they don't have a separate SPI peripheral
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2018-05-26T13:28:06 < antto> hm? pic surely has SPI
2018-05-26T13:28:42 < antto> and i'm not sure if its USART can do SPI cuz they tend to lack the clock pin (duh)
2018-05-26T13:29:05 < antto> atmegas and xmegas tend to have USARTs which can run in SPI mode
2018-05-26T13:29:51 < Steffanx> Avr is weird anyway. Twi to talk i2c :P
2018-05-26T13:30:25 < antto> isn't that just a matter of naming?
2018-05-26T13:30:44 < antto> pic calls their periph MSSP or some such crap
2018-05-26T13:31:04 < antto> that's the periph that can work in SPI or I2C mode
2018-05-26T13:38:25 < jpa-> antto: it can't really be a USART if it has no clock pin, then it is only UART :P
2018-05-26T13:38:33 < Steffanx> Avr has USI antto ;)
2018-05-26T13:38:46 < antto> Steffanx that's attiny, pls
2018-05-26T13:38:54 < antto> jpa- tell that to microsh*t
2018-05-26T13:39:16 < antto> oh wait, excuse me, they call it "EUSART"
2018-05-26T13:39:17 < Steffanx> Oh that isnt AVR ofcourse.
2018-05-26T13:39:20 < antto> E for Enhanced
2018-05-26T13:39:35 < antto> Steffanx none of my avrs have "USI" pls
2018-05-26T13:40:06 < Steffanx> When will you stm32 antto ?
2018-05-26T13:40:31 < antto> when will i hit the jackpot?
2018-05-26T13:41:07 < antto> i don't have time to play with stm32
2018-05-26T13:41:18 < Steffanx> You already did. You just have to open it.
2018-05-26T13:41:22 < antto> i don't have time for many other things
2018-05-26T13:41:44  * antto runs depression.exe
2018-05-26T13:44:00 < Steffanx> A real os wouldnt be able to run that
2018-05-26T13:51:10 < Peter_M> UAC would block depression.exe
2018-05-26T13:55:48 < karlp> Laurenceb: just for you: https://imgur.com/a/TgMnhQI
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2018-05-26T14:31:10 < karlp> fuckme, doing 300k/week is serious braindamage
2018-05-26T14:31:45 < karlp> I'm happy that i've done... almost 200k this month, and that's been a pretty busy month for me.
2018-05-26T14:33:19 < jpa-> 200k lines of code per month? that's nothing
2018-05-26T14:33:22 < antto> kilo-wat?
2018-05-26T14:43:58 < Thorn> shekels
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2018-05-26T14:47:23 < antto> kilo-shizzles?
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2018-05-26T15:02:22 < Steffanx> or 300 km, as BrainDamage mentioned doing 300-400km/week on his bike.
2018-05-26T15:05:09 < antto> meep meep much?
2018-05-26T15:05:20 < Steffanx> Down hill, yeah.
2018-05-26T15:05:38 < antto> everybody and their grandma can ride downhill
2018-05-26T15:05:46 < Steffanx> on an ebile?
2018-05-26T15:05:54 < antto> a wat?
2018-05-26T15:05:58 < Steffanx> ebike. 
2018-05-26T15:06:11 < Steffanx> learn to auto correct. :P
2018-05-26T15:06:32 < antto> electric?
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2018-05-26T15:10:40 < mra90> Hmm I have nucleo board on my disposal but funny thing is I don't know on what frequency the clock operates how to debug?
2018-05-26T15:11:01 < antto> not knowing is a "bug" ? ;P~
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2018-05-26T15:15:37 < jpa-> mra90: well the manual will tell you, but short of that you can e.g. use dwt cycle counter to see how many cycles pass when you manually measure e.g. one second
2018-05-26T15:16:50 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/other/gdb_arm_dwt
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2018-05-26T15:21:33 < Hamilton> When ST says for example some GPIO pins of STM32F103 are 5 volt tolerant, they are talking about the two protection diodes beside GPIO pin, right?
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2018-05-26T15:48:04 < dongs>  jpa- is that sum gdb shit
2018-05-26T15:58:20 < bitmask> i gotz money, what should I buy
2018-05-26T15:59:07 < Peter_M> a rope and a rickety chair
2018-05-26T15:59:17 < bitmask> I'm thinking 3d printer stuff, maybe a e3d v6 titan aero clone
2018-05-26T15:59:28 < Peter_M> wait, this isnt arduino, scratch that
2018-05-26T15:59:41 < Peter_M> oh, it's a 3d printer related question
2018-05-26T15:59:46 < Peter_M> then the suggestion is back on
2018-05-26T15:59:49 < bitmask> haha
2018-05-26T16:00:05 < bitmask> you are right, goodbye
2018-05-26T16:02:03 < jpa-> dongs: no its for keil
2018-05-26T16:02:14 < jpa-> i just put gdb in the name to fool everyone
2018-05-26T16:04:56 < Steffanx> What about spend the money of stuff you really need bitmask?
2018-05-26T16:05:08 < Steffanx> and a clone -_-
2018-05-26T16:05:33 < Peter_M> an excellent 3d printing investment https://www.shapeways.com/gifts/cards 
2018-05-26T16:06:16 < Steffanx> Welcome Peter_M. Where is stvn?
2018-05-26T16:06:28 < bitmask> haha yea well I gotta order the parts I need to finish my project
2018-05-26T16:06:33 < bitmask> I probably will save the rest
2018-05-26T16:06:59 < bitmask> except for some cheap stuff like nozzles and stuff
2018-05-26T16:07:54 < Peter_M> no idea, probably had a few too many red tins so layed down for a snooze
2018-05-26T16:08:27 < bitmask> I'm finally gonna get a capacitive autolevel sensor
2018-05-26T16:09:10 < mra90> If I enable clock for some peripheral let's say GPIO, is it going to be clocked at the same freq as system?
2018-05-26T16:09:26 < bitmask> oh inductive
2018-05-26T16:19:34 < Steffanx> bitmask, do you really need it is the question bitmask. It's only useful when you fail to level your bed manually.
2018-05-26T16:20:00 < Steffanx> :P
2018-05-26T16:20:06 < bitmask> I would still level my bed manually, I want it mainly to get rid of the other z endstop and its only $3-4
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2018-05-26T16:34:52 < mra90> USARTDIV = (baud * 16)/Fck - is that right?
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2018-05-26T16:38:20 < Laurenceb_> muh babby, muh shakker
2018-05-26T16:39:16 < Laurenceb_> SINISTER, VILE, DISGUSTING & HATEFUL
2018-05-26T16:39:28 < mra90> sorry fck/(Baud*16)
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2018-05-26T16:52:27 < mra90> How to debug USART when nothing is being send?
2018-05-26T16:53:36 < upgrdman> stm3fwhat
2018-05-26T16:53:42 < upgrdman> mra90 ^
2018-05-26T16:53:53 < mra90> STM32F446
2018-05-26T16:54:10 < upgrdman> i have working f0 code, and iirc the f4 has a similar usart periph
2018-05-26T16:54:16 < upgrdman> one sec
2018-05-26T16:54:42 < mra90> Okay, I have setup everything according to procedure described in manual
2018-05-26T16:55:25 < upgrdman> https://github.com/farrellf/Balancing_Robot_Firmware/blob/master/f0lib/f0lib_uart.c#L13
2018-05-26T16:55:38 < upgrdman> https://github.com/farrellf/Balancing_Robot_Firmware/blob/master/f0lib/f0lib_uart.c#L133
2018-05-26T16:55:44 < upgrdman> not the best code, but it works
2018-05-26T16:55:53 < Laurenceb_> use dah copypasta code for great justice
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2018-05-26T16:58:25 < mra90> is APB2RSTR (reset USART) necessery?
2018-05-26T16:58:35 < mra90> upgrdman: ^^ I see it in your code
2018-05-26T16:58:49 < upgrdman> mra90, well it just ensures youre in a known state
2018-05-26T16:59:02 < Laurenceb_> attn stvn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Sorry_Day
2018-05-26T16:59:05 < upgrdman> you can skip it i guess if youre careful
2018-05-26T16:59:21 < mra90> upgrdman: well beside this reset register I did the same
2018-05-26T17:00:08 < mra90> upgrdman: or even more since I don't see alternate function being set in your code! oO
2018-05-26T17:00:25 < mra90> ahh ok you have it
2018-05-26T17:00:47 < Laurenceb_> just use raw register addresses in hex and write hex values to them
2018-05-26T17:00:56 < Laurenceb_> ^saw this in a wurk project
2018-05-26T17:01:44 < mra90> upgrdman: gpio_setup(tx_pin, AF, PUSH_PULL, FIFTY_MHZ, NO_PULL, AF0); - how do you set up FIFTY_MHZ and why AF0
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2018-05-26T17:02:15 < mra90> I see AF7 is USART1
2018-05-26T17:03:18 < upgrdman> mra90, on f051, it's af0 for that uart
2018-05-26T17:03:23 < upgrdman> and
2018-05-26T17:03:38 < upgrdman> https://github.com/farrellf/Balancing_Robot_Firmware/blob/master/f0lib/f0lib_gpio.c#L7
2018-05-26T17:04:17 < upgrdman> oh god, that old code of mine. so embarrassing.
2018-05-26T17:04:29 < upgrdman> wtf why did i use pointers like that, lol
2018-05-26T17:05:47 < mra90> ahh okay, thanks
2018-05-26T17:05:57 < mra90> I am suprissed by the 50 Mhz thing
2018-05-26T17:06:32 < upgrdman> it prolly doesnt need to be set to 50mhz, but idgaf about EMI/EMC ;)
2018-05-26T17:07:14 < mra90> but the point is what do you set to 50 Mhz?
2018-05-26T17:07:27 < upgrdman> OSPEEDR register iirc
2018-05-26T17:07:30 < mra90> also the code with things like baseAddr = 0 is very uclear
2018-05-26T17:07:37 < upgrdman> ya, my old shit code
2018-05-26T17:07:46 < upgrdman> dont know why i was so dumb about that
2018-05-26T17:08:41 < mra90> OSPEEDR this register can be skipped I think
2018-05-26T17:09:38 < upgrdman> well bottom line: fine someones working f4 uart code, copy it and see if it works, then change it to make it closer to your code, until it breaks, and theres your problem
2018-05-26T17:10:26 < mra90> I have already tested it with Mbed and it works
2018-05-26T17:10:29 < mra90> so hardware is ok
2018-05-26T17:10:34 < mra90> the question is why my code fails
2018-05-26T17:11:08 < mra90> https://pastebin.com/aNi4AMqc
2018-05-26T17:11:10 < mra90> my code^^
2018-05-26T17:11:57 < upgrdman> why did you enabel the clock AFTER writing to registers
2018-05-26T17:12:08 < upgrdman> the registers have no power if the clock is off :)
2018-05-26T17:14:55 < mra90> upgrdman: yes I had it like that previously but changed to be according to procedure described in manual
2018-05-26T17:15:01 < mra90> but it's not that
2018-05-26T17:15:37 < upgrdman> ok well i'd enable the uart clock and gpio clocks first, but im out of ideas
2018-05-26T17:15:39 < upgrdman> good luck
2018-05-26T17:16:16 < mra90> yes this is what I had before 
2018-05-26T17:16:42 < mra90> But it's also not true that you can not write to register without clock set first
2018-05-26T17:17:29 < upgrdman> im 90% sure there can be problems if you do that, at least with some periph on the f0.
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2018-05-26T17:22:00 < mra90> anybody? any idea?
2018-05-26T17:34:27 < Steffanx> Did you verify what's actually in the registers?
2018-05-26T17:35:06 < Steffanx> All of the ones you use.
2018-05-26T17:35:07 < mra90> Steffanx: try to do it now in GDB
2018-05-26T17:35:17 < mra90> by  x 0x4001100C
2018-05-26T17:35:39 < mra90> where 0x4001100C is USART1->CR1 register
2018-05-26T17:35:39 < Steffanx> printing UART1 and GPIOA should work too.
2018-05-26T17:36:04 < mra90> Steffanx: hah printing where? :)
2018-05-26T17:36:17 < Steffanx> GDB ofcourse
2018-05-26T17:36:42 < mra90> Steffanx: no way GPIOA or USART1 are defines
2018-05-26T17:36:47 < mra90> not symbols
2018-05-26T17:38:22 < Steffanx> compile with the proper gdb flags? -ggdb3 or something?
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2018-05-26T17:38:50 < srk> you can even write to registers from gdb
2018-05-26T17:40:04 < mra90> srk: what command?
2018-05-26T17:40:26 < mra90> by using set?
2018-05-26T17:40:38 < Steffanx> Sure, that is not really the point right? Why figure out register addresses manually when GDB can know what UART1 is and print the entire structure/peripheral at once.
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2018-05-26T17:41:17 < srk> mra90: no, utfg, something along (*0x4001100C) = 0b1010
2018-05-26T17:41:58 < mra90> okay
2018-05-26T17:48:25 < Steffanx> Do you actually enable the gpio clock mra90?
2018-05-26T17:48:39 < mra90> Steffanx: yes
2018-05-26T17:48:47 < Steffanx> its not in your code
2018-05-26T17:48:50 < mra90> RCC->AHB1ENR |= 0x01
2018-05-26T17:49:05 < mra90> Steffanx: because I enabled it in GPIOA section which is in other part
2018-05-26T17:49:09 < mra90> but yes it is enabled :)
2018-05-26T17:49:53 < Steffanx> So did you verify the uart configuration yet? Esepcially since you enable the clock after you set the usart registers.
2018-05-26T17:52:01 < Steffanx> USART1->CR1 |= 1<<13; /* Enable USART1 */ <= what is that btw?
2018-05-26T17:52:06 < mra90> Steffanx: verify in what way?
2018-05-26T17:52:18 < Steffanx> in my datasheet usart enable is not bit 13
2018-05-26T17:52:58 < Steffanx> Verify as in: Do the configuration, set a breakpoint afterwards, read out the register contents, check if they actually are what you want them to be
2018-05-26T17:53:12 < mra90> Bit 13 UE: USART enable
2018-05-26T17:53:12 < mra90> When this bit is cleared
2018-05-26T17:53:20 < Steffanx> didnt you say F0?
2018-05-26T17:53:27 < mra90> no F4
2018-05-26T17:53:31 < mra90> STM32F4446
2018-05-26T17:53:37 < mra90> STM32F446 
2018-05-26T17:54:04 < Steffanx> oh, it was upgrdman that came with F0 :P
2018-05-26T17:54:57 < stvn> ty Laurenceb_ 
2018-05-26T17:57:25 < mra90> I try to read memory with x command in GDB
2018-05-26T17:57:31 < mra90> but it also gives me strange values
2018-05-26T17:58:33 < Steffanx> Whats your definition of strange? ( As in.. what do you expect and what are the actualy values?)
2018-05-26T17:58:51 < Steffanx> ( fyi: stvn is the definition of strange )
2018-05-26T17:59:25 < mra90> Steffanx: I read cotent of memory where particular register reside and it looks like its not set as it should
2018-05-26T17:59:37 < mra90> or maybe I do it wrong (I mean reading)
2018-05-26T18:00:53 < karlp> Peter_M: nice 3d printing investment advice :)
2018-05-26T18:01:03 < stvn> I'm still trying to convince steffan that his country is recognized for national teapot smashing competitions 
2018-05-26T18:03:40 < stvn> the first task is to find a suitable work piece https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/s5XrS9gs/IMG_1449.JPG
2018-05-26T18:04:53 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/u4etiZ08/IMG_1453.JPG
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2018-05-26T18:14:22 < dongs> wat
2018-05-26T18:15:00 < stvn> oh good morning
2018-05-26T18:15:10 < Steffanx> 8 AUD isnt too bad, stvn
2018-05-26T18:15:33 < dongs> im dying of aids
2018-05-26T18:15:40 < dongs> innovations ground to a halt
2018-05-26T18:15:56 < Steffanx> Try innovations in dreamland
2018-05-26T18:17:06 < stvn> i had day off mate
2018-05-26T18:17:21 < dongs> this midi keyboard dickstarter im with is using these guys for production https://www.amazon.com/lol/dp/B072F2HY63 holy shit that is cheap
2018-05-26T18:17:56 < dongs> the test boards they sent are filthy single layer shit with resistive sticker? or something jumpers
2018-05-26T18:17:58 < stvn> Only 11 left in stock
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2018-05-26T18:20:30 < stvn> maybe steffan can help
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2018-05-26T18:29:11 < Steffanx> Nah together we can be team Stefven, stvn. 
2018-05-26T18:29:23 < Steffanx> Or.stfvn :P
2018-05-26T18:29:31 < stvn> lol
2018-05-26T18:32:34 < Peter_M> karlp thanks
2018-05-26T18:32:54 < Peter_M> personal ownership of a 3d printer is impractical imho
2018-05-26T18:33:54 < Steffanx> Im glad you said "imho"
2018-05-26T18:35:03 < Peter_M> i mean, it depends on the person, if you're into lunix and wasting time, maybe personal ownership of a 3d printer is for you
2018-05-26T18:36:04 < Ultrasauce> i am and it is
2018-05-26T18:37:02 < Ultrasauce> https://i.imgur.com/9dTSK2l.png get fucked
2018-05-26T18:39:23 < mra90> Steffanx: you said some time agou that I could write to memory from GDB
2018-05-26T18:39:29 < mra90> with what command?
2018-05-26T18:39:33 < Peter_M> thats cool and all, but is that worth buying a 3d printer for it cool? i mean, you could achieve the same kinda thing buying a hard plastic case off ebay for $3 and epoxying a mount to it
2018-05-26T18:39:37 < mra90> I tried set/print both failed
2018-05-26T18:39:38 < Peter_M> but each to their own
2018-05-26T18:40:09 < PaulFertser> mra90: set *((uint32_t*)0x20000000) = 0xaa ?
2018-05-26T18:40:25 < Ultrasauce> why type letters on a keyboard when you can just propagate oral tradition
2018-05-26T18:41:24 < mra90> PaulFertser: correct thanks
2018-05-26T18:41:31 < Peter_M> if your goal is to propagate oral tradition, then yes, why type letters on a keyboard
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2018-05-26T19:02:04 < karlp> mra90: look for a basic intro to gdb or something, you're doubtless missing lots of things
2018-05-26T19:02:17 < karlp> you can even call functions 
2018-05-26T19:09:10 < Peter_M> !wz penrith, australia
2018-05-26T19:09:12 < englishbot> [Penrith, Australia] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 8.6°C. Humidity: 99%.
2018-05-26T19:09:39 < Peter_M> !wz werribee
2018-05-26T19:09:40 < englishbot> [Werribee South, Australia] Clear. Temp is 11.9°C. SSW wind: 8.0 kph. Humidity: 79%.
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2018-05-26T20:00:18 < Peter_M> hello
2018-05-26T20:00:48 < Steffanx> Welcome
2018-05-26T20:02:01 < Peter_M> hows life R2COM now that backpage is shutdown?
2018-05-26T20:02:41 < Peter_M> thats odd, i thought it was you to a t
2018-05-26T20:04:01 < Peter_M> anyway, what is R2COM up to these days now that maneye isnt around to argue with?
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2018-05-26T20:08:38 < Peter_M> circuit as in IC or just standard smd? gaming? cs:go? ar-15?
2018-05-26T20:10:00 < Aditya> R2COM, fpga hmmm, nice.
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2018-05-26T20:16:02 < Peter_M> https://help.steampowered.com/en/accountdata/AccountSpend R2COM
2018-05-26T20:24:43 < englishman> Peter_M how do you survive such harsh winters
2018-05-26T20:29:32 < Peter_M> i feel that is sarcasm
2018-05-26T20:31:09 < Peter_M> but just heavier clothing and bedding usually does it
2018-05-26T20:32:05 < Peter_M> socks mainly
2018-05-26T20:32:57 < Peter_M> socks, you know, the things that go over your feet, but before you put shoes on
2018-05-26T20:33:12 < englishman> r2com i got a 14.5" faxon
2018-05-26T20:33:56 < englishman> and a geissele
2018-05-26T20:34:51 < englishman> oh right i forgot he's a retard
2018-05-26T20:34:58 < englishman> and has 2/3 of the channel on ignore
2018-05-26T20:35:15 < Peter_M> and doesnt know what socks are
2018-05-26T20:35:18 < englishman> yeah
2018-05-26T20:36:11 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ
2018-05-26T20:36:13 -!- mode/##stm32 [+b *!*@ip68-3-184-221.ph.ph.cox.net] by englishman
2018-05-26T20:36:13 -!- R2COM was kicked from ##stm32 by englishman [no retards allowed]
2018-05-26T20:36:21 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o englishman] by ChanServ
2018-05-26T20:36:35 < englishman> what is the point of going in a chan when you have everyone on ignore
2018-05-26T20:36:35 < Peter_M> should have said "no cancer allowed"
2018-05-26T20:36:45 < englishman> then complaining when you cant follow a conversation
2018-05-26T20:36:45 < englishman> lol
2018-05-26T20:37:33 < Peter_M> i dunno man, hes on the spectrum
2018-05-26T20:37:43 < Peter_M> cant follow a conversation anyway
2018-05-26T20:39:12 < Peter_M> anyway, englishman, harsh winters, they feel cold, probably relativly warm for you, but i assume we both experience around the same yearly delta (max -min)
2018-05-26T20:39:37 < englishman> idk, it was 30C here yesterday, in jan it was -33
2018-05-26T20:40:18 < Steffanx> I assume an AR-15 is a gun..?
2018-05-26T20:40:25 < englishman> my apple trees are budding again so spring is here
2018-05-26T20:40:28 < Peter_M> yeah, doesnt get to -15 here
2018-05-26T20:40:29 < englishman> yes stefs
2018-05-26T20:40:57 < Steffanx> What did you do englishman.
2018-05-26T20:41:04 < englishman> took out the garbage
2018-05-26T20:46:59 < Peter_M> is most of the modern ar-15 stuff jsut bikeshedding englishman? i thought they'd have everything pretty well penciled in by now
2018-05-26T20:47:33 < englishman> yes absolutely
2018-05-26T20:47:36 < englishman> cool verb btw
2018-05-26T20:47:46 < englishman> its 99% autism
2018-05-26T20:48:05 < englishman> and a little bit of configuring stuff how you like it or to suit a certain shooting game or maybe hunting
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2018-05-26T20:52:16 < Peter_M> must be a USA thing mainly (possibly outside too), over here your options are far mroe limited, mainly due to the types of firearms sold, but also jsut due to how small of a market it is
2018-05-26T20:53:26 < Peter_M> over here its like "do you want the one with the long barrel, or the REALLY LONG barrel"?
2018-05-26T20:54:38 < englishman> yeah
2018-05-26T20:54:43 < englishman> usa has some stuff like that too
2018-05-26T20:54:52 < englishman> a 16.5" barrel minimum or something
2018-05-26T20:55:00 < englishman> here guns are regulated based on how scary they look
2018-05-26T20:57:51 < Peter_M> a bit unfair
2018-05-26T20:58:01 < Peter_M> but im going to sleep its fuckin 4 am
2018-05-26T20:58:14 < englishman> dont let the drop bears bite
2018-05-26T20:58:45 < Peter_M> it's a saturday, its fine, they're out at the pub pickin up
2018-05-26T21:00:47 < Steffanx> Time for some VB (beer) Peter_M 
2018-05-26T21:02:07 < Steffanx> 0400 is the perfect VB time.
2018-05-26T21:08:53 < zyp> sup?
2018-05-26T21:09:05 < zyp> why are you guys sitting inside in the nice weather?
2018-05-26T21:09:27 < Steffanx> Who says its a nice weather?
2018-05-26T21:09:38 < zyp> have you looked outside?
2018-05-26T21:09:40 < Steffanx> And my phone does irc
2018-05-26T21:09:46 < veverak> 'nice weather' is relative term
2018-05-26T21:09:57 < Ultrasauce> frost advisory in effect
2018-05-26T21:10:06 < veverak> zyp: are you just jerk or you just don't realize that 1/2 of the channel is spread over the entire planet?
2018-05-26T21:10:08 < veverak> :)
2018-05-26T21:10:17 < zyp> haha
2018-05-26T21:10:20 < veverak> so the fact that you have nice weather is completely irrelevant
2018-05-26T21:10:34 < Steffanx> He is right though
2018-05-26T21:10:40 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-05-26T21:10:40 < Ultrasauce> he's in norway. if it's >-20C there it's nice out everywhere on the planet
2018-05-26T21:10:41 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 25.4°C. Humidity: 52%.
2018-05-26T21:10:48 < Steffanx> See ^
2018-05-26T21:10:53 < zyp> Steffanx isn't that far away from me
2018-05-26T21:11:15 < zyp> it'd take me less time to drive over to Steffanx than to drive to my parents place :p
2018-05-26T21:11:22 < Steffanx> Hah.
2018-05-26T21:11:51 < zyp> I mean, it's like half the distnce
2018-05-26T21:12:14 < karlp> veverak is a bit thin skinned
2018-05-26T21:12:24 < sync> !wz eddf
2018-05-26T21:12:26 < englishbot> [EDDF, Germany] Clear. Temp is 27°C. ESE wind: 13 kph.
2018-05-26T21:12:32 < sync> seems right
2018-05-26T21:14:33 < karlp> !wz reykjavik
2018-05-26T21:14:34 < englishbot> [Reykjavik, Canada] . Temp is 16.3°C. Humidity: 99%.
2018-05-26T21:14:37 < karlp> ffs
2018-05-26T21:14:39 < karlp> really?
2018-05-26T21:14:43 < zyp> haha
2018-05-26T21:14:51 < zyp> iceland got annexed?
2018-05-26T21:14:56 < veverak> !wz brno
2018-05-26T21:14:57 < englishbot> [Brno, Czech Republic] Clear. Temp is 25.2°C. West wind: 2.6 kph.
2018-05-26T21:15:04 < zyp> !wz encn
2018-05-26T21:15:05 < karlp> !wz BIKF
2018-05-26T21:15:05 < englishbot> [ENCN, Norway] Clear. Temp is 22°C. SSW wind: 11 kph. Humidity: 53%.
2018-05-26T21:15:12 < englishbot> [BIKF, Iceland] Overcast. Temp is 8°C but feels like 5°C. South wind: 22 kph. Humidity: 87%.
2018-05-26T21:15:21 < veverak> karlp: I just hate sun, or strong sunlight
2018-05-26T21:15:32 < veverak> but usually when there is strong sunlight I start to hate sun
2018-05-26T21:15:42 < veverak> until next winter, when the love for it returns
2018-05-26T21:15:50 < Steffanx> Anyway zyp, i had my being outside dose of the day . Just returned for a barbecue session.
2018-05-26T21:15:58 < zyp> :)
2018-05-26T21:16:05 < karlp> I went and voted.
2018-05-26T21:16:11 < karlp> think I'll need to out again later though.
2018-05-26T21:16:13 < Steffanx> Did you vote Trump?
2018-05-26T21:16:33 < veverak> so, this day I felt like the sun wants to burn me to death after 5 minutes
2018-05-26T21:16:39 < veverak> -> no nice weather for me this day
2018-05-26T21:16:39 < Steffanx> (i dont know anything about icelander politics)
2018-05-26T21:16:50 < Steffanx> and where is that veverak?
2018-05-26T21:16:55 < zyp> he voted pirate party of course
2018-05-26T21:17:05 < veverak> Steffanx: it was in Ostrava
2018-05-26T21:17:08 < veverak> !wz ostrava
2018-05-26T21:17:09 < englishbot> [Ostrava, Czech Republic] Clear. Temp is 20.2°C. Humidity: 97%.
2018-05-26T21:17:17 < zyp> (idk anything about iceland politics either, except the fact they have a significant pirate party=
2018-05-26T21:17:41 < Steffanx> one of the few countries where the PP is a serious candidate?
2018-05-26T21:17:53 < zyp> yeah
2018-05-26T21:18:02 < Steffanx> Here, dutchland, they tried and failed terribly.
2018-05-26T21:18:09 < jpa-> here in finland pirate party is now a feminist party
2018-05-26T21:18:15 < Steffanx> I wonder if they still exists after some fights inside the party
2018-05-26T21:19:04 < Steffanx> Best thing is that the leader of the dutch PP is an old webcam model.
2018-05-26T21:19:33 < Steffanx> I could link, but .. you know only Blaxter would like such stuff.
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2018-05-26T21:19:40 < veverak> we got active PP in czech rep. for first time
2018-05-26T21:19:43 < karlp> I did not vote for the viking boat party, nor the mens party, nor womens party, nor the unicorn party, nor the rebirth party, nor the communists, nor the socialists, nor conservative A, nor conservative B, nor conservative C, nor the racists A, nor the racists B, nor the boring middle, nor the I don't even know party
2018-05-26T21:19:45 < veverak> I wonder how they will turn out
2018-05-26T21:19:54 < zyp> the norwegian pirate party seemed reasonable at first, but somehow some insane people got at the top of their lists, so I don't think they have much appeal left now
2018-05-26T21:20:22 < zyp> not that there would be any point in voting for it unless I lived in oslo anyway
2018-05-26T21:20:29 < Steffanx> unicorn party, is that a thing in iceland karlp?
2018-05-26T21:20:30 < karlp> (I voted pirates)
2018-05-26T21:20:45 < zyp> ha, called it
2018-05-26T21:21:48 < karlp> they've changed their logo unfortunately, but yeah, one of the parties had a really cheap horse/unicorn logo when they launched last year
2018-05-26T21:22:11 < zyp> I'm considering voting communists next election
2018-05-26T21:23:06 < Steffanx> Excellent choice.
2018-05-26T21:23:26 < Steffanx> Sounds like: The current ones suck so i'll try something else-vote
2018-05-26T21:23:39 < zyp> the party I've used to vote for fucked up their leadership
2018-05-26T21:24:24 < Steffanx> Anyway, what are you doing inside zyp?
2018-05-26T21:24:24 < zyp> it isn't a communist party per se, but they have their roots in one
2018-05-26T21:24:28 < Steffanx> (assuming you are)
2018-05-26T21:24:36 < englishman> zyp, who says i am indoors
2018-05-26T21:24:40 < zyp> but they have some decent people in their leadership
2018-05-26T21:24:52 < englishman> theres a reason there is a computer in the hot tub
2018-05-26T21:25:05 < karlp> yeah, the communists here have one or two good people, as do the socialists, but they're too stubborn to go and work with anyone else and actually get things done
2018-05-26T21:25:06 < zyp> and recent polls have them over the 4% threshold, which means my vote might actually count if I vote for them
2018-05-26T21:25:14 < karlp> so they get ~1% vote each time and never get a seat
2018-05-26T21:25:30 < karlp> we had 16 parties running in reykjavik this year though, a bit insane.
2018-05-26T21:25:35 < zyp> communists have one seat now
2018-05-26T21:26:04 < Steffanx> one of .. how many?
2018-05-26T21:26:11 < englishman> steffy what did you cook
2018-05-26T21:26:14 < zyp> 156 or something
2018-05-26T21:26:18 < jpa-> icelandic politics involves getting things done?
2018-05-26T21:26:24 < zyp> 169.
2018-05-26T21:26:27 < jpa-> i could believe the unicorn party but that is a bit too much..
2018-05-26T21:26:46 < Steffanx> this was a dump whatever meat you have on the grill session, englishman
2018-05-26T21:26:55 < englishman> nice
2018-05-26T21:27:02 < englishman> the smorgasbord
2018-05-26T21:27:48 < karlp> jpa-: sure, depends what you meanb by getting things done though :)
2018-05-26T21:28:00 < karlp> one of the local towns has the ~ highest paid mayor in the world
2018-05-26T21:28:25 < karlp> "runs" ~25k people or so, gets paid more than new york, köben, london.
2018-05-26T21:28:34 < Steffanx> something like that englishman
2018-05-26T21:29:00 < englishman> then you should have run in that town karl
2018-05-26T21:29:09 < Steffanx> Just some pork, chicken, burgers ( cow and pork ) stuff
2018-05-26T21:29:10 < englishman> 1 in 16 is better odds than the lottery
2018-05-26T21:29:25 < Steffanx> No bratwurst.
2018-05-26T21:30:49 < Steffanx> I dont like your cook stuff for hours style of grilling.
2018-05-26T21:31:00 < Steffanx> fully automated using a rpi/tarduino/whatever
2018-05-26T21:32:03 < karlp> englishman: I don't live in that town, nor woudl I want to.
2018-05-26T21:32:07 < Steffanx> (i mean i would like to eat the result, just not preparing/waiting)
2018-05-26T21:32:14 < karlp> those people are just fools for voting for him.
2018-05-26T21:32:32 < englishman> steffs, last night i did 3 minute pork at 750F
2018-05-26T21:32:41 < englishman> not all meat takes 12h :)
2018-05-26T21:33:30 < Steffanx> !calc 750F to C
2018-05-26T21:33:43 < Steffanx> 400C, not bad.
2018-05-26T21:34:31 < karlp> this is (was) the unicorn party logo: http://www.visir.is/i/4DD25C0D5FEE9597407FC76842D8E93C0FB93A797580FC2415D8212AE244EA49_713x0.jpg
2018-05-26T21:34:44 < englishman> it doesnt even have a horn?
2018-05-26T21:34:51 < englishman> it's just a gay horse
2018-05-26T21:35:12 < karlp> yes, so we called it the unicorn party 
2018-05-26T21:35:19 < karlp> but no, it doesn't _actually_ have a horn
2018-05-26T21:36:18 < karlp> they seem to still have it as their favicon, but not on their page anymore
2018-05-26T21:37:08 < Steffanx> lol
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2018-05-26T21:43:36 < Steffanx> i dont even know my password.
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2018-05-26T22:18:35 < karlp> found dong's taiwan kickstarter: https://www.crowdsupply.com/ground-electronics/circumference
2018-05-26T22:18:48 < karlp> got all the tickboxes. avr, rpi, all the good things
2018-05-26T22:19:20 < Steffanx> but not located in taiwan
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2018-05-26T23:02:14 < mra90> what are all these SB62 "SBXX" thing in discovery, nuceo bards?
2018-05-26T23:02:35 < mra90> "SB13 and SB14 ON, SB62 and SB63 OFF" what are they?
2018-05-26T23:03:48 < mra90> I see they call them solder bridges
2018-05-26T23:05:16 < mra90> lool it looks like I have to desolder them what the stupid think they did with these SB oO
2018-05-26T23:11:41 < karlp> they're all described in the user manual for the board.
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2018-05-26T23:27:15 < Steffanx> Does your uart work yet mra90?
2018-05-26T23:27:35 < mra90> Steffanx: that was the problem!
2018-05-26T23:27:57 < mra90> The connectors are floating!
2018-05-26T23:28:14 < mra90> because of these SB :[
2018-05-26T23:28:20 < mra90> 4h lost because of it
2018-05-26T23:28:41 < mra90> Steffanx: and yes, now it works
2018-05-26T23:28:45 < Steffanx> lol ok
2018-05-26T23:29:05 < Steffanx> At least the day is still young.
2018-05-26T23:29:54 < mra90> I hope I won't meet any of these STM guys on my way today...
2018-05-26T23:30:07 < mra90> at least those responsible for nuclo boards...
2018-05-26T23:30:21 < Steffanx> or you, because you didnt read the user manual? :P
2018-05-26T23:30:32 < Steffanx> or look at the schematic in the user manual
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2018-05-26T23:46:22 < mra90> BTW, what is USART1_CTS I mean CTS?
2018-05-26T23:49:46 < jadew> anyone using Stripe to accept payments?
2018-05-26T23:53:32 < Steffanx> Pass
2018-05-26T23:58:02 < jadew> Steffanx, you know something about Stripe? is that why you said pass?
2018-05-26T23:59:17 < Steffanx> Not really, jadew 
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2018-05-27T00:01:48 < jadew> apparently paypal has more & higher fees, while offering the same service basically, so I was wondering if anyone knows if that's true
2018-05-27T00:02:11 < jadew> I'll probably implement both methods as some people trust paypal more than other means of paying
2018-05-27T00:05:32 < Steffanx> I see Stripe does ideal ( dutch payment method ). I like ideal :P
2018-05-27T00:06:17 < Steffanx> Although insurance-wise a credit card or paypal is better.
2018-05-27T00:06:21 < jadew> the fees seem to be lower than paypal so I'll go with stripe for credit cards and paypal for... paypal
2018-05-27T00:08:14 < jadew> great... I ran out of free email addresses
2018-05-27T00:08:21 < jadew> 5 out of 5
2018-05-27T00:12:48 < jadew> yey for aliases \o/
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2018-05-27T00:40:30 < srk> mra90: clear to send
2018-05-27T00:40:49 < mra90> srk: clear what?
2018-05-27T00:41:11 < srk> thats for USART 
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2018-05-27T00:53:30 < bitmask> I shouldnt be allowed to have money
2018-05-27T00:53:32 < bitmask> :)
2018-05-27T00:54:09 < Steffanx> Dont buy drugs please
2018-05-27T00:54:43 < bitmask> I didnt :)
2018-05-27T00:55:00 < bitmask> I just trated myself to ali/ebay
2018-05-27T00:55:04 < bitmask> treated*
2018-05-27T00:55:25 < bitmask> a bunch of cheap nonsense that ended up adding up much quicker than I expected
2018-05-27T00:55:39 < bitmask> most of it was for my pen plotter project at least
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2018-05-27T01:04:00 < upgrdman> https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/8mbfaw/lets_do_tricks_over_a_spiked_gate_wcgw/
2018-05-27T01:08:36 < stvn> meme storm
2018-05-27T01:08:49 < stvn> drugs are for niggers
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2018-05-27T01:24:11 < srk> FPU-- 81 Floating point unit interrupt
2018-05-27T01:24:11 < srk> FPU-- 81 Floating point unit interrupt
2018-05-27T01:24:11 < srk> UART8-- 83 UART 8 global interrupt
2018-05-27T01:24:14 < srk> svd <3
2018-05-27T01:25:11 < srk> don't buy drugs, grow your own
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2018-05-27T01:28:00 < Laurenceb_> who would liek to see a picture of the wambulance for shakkin the babby?
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2018-05-27T01:31:28 < Laurenceb_> http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114170.png
2018-05-27T01:33:02 < stvn> lol
2018-05-27T01:33:10 < Laurenceb_> http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114174.jpg
2018-05-27T01:33:15 < jadew> I don't get it
2018-05-27T01:33:36 < Laurenceb_> jadew: the staff are getting gay married
2018-05-27T01:33:47 < jadew> ah
2018-05-27T01:33:50 < jadew> cool
2018-05-27T01:34:04 < stvn> fucking lol
2018-05-27T01:34:18 < stvn> a friend of mine found out his ex is now dating some korean guy
2018-05-27T01:34:21 < stvn> i told him about 1488
2018-05-27T01:34:50 < jadew> stvn, is your friend gay?
2018-05-27T01:35:02 < Laurenceb_> http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114176.jpg
2018-05-27T01:35:43 < stvn> nah he just tends to babble on about his ex girlfriends when he drinks
2018-05-27T01:35:55 < jadew> and what exactly did you tell him?
2018-05-27T01:36:12 < jadew> btw, I think it's cool gay people can get married
2018-05-27T01:36:19 < jadew> they can't in here, there was a vote
2018-05-27T01:36:29 < stvn> i told him to preserve the purity of the while blood
2018-05-27T01:37:02 < stvn> im just sick of hearing him go on about it so i turn it into some white supremacy discussion
2018-05-27T01:37:29 < jadew> I take it he was white and she wasn't?
2018-05-27T01:37:39 < stvn> they are both white
2018-05-27T01:38:02 < Laurenceb_> kek
2018-05-27T01:38:05 < stvn> basically she got her brain niggered and watched kpop (lol)
2018-05-27T01:38:15 < Laurenceb_> >trolling the with racist shit anyway
2018-05-27T01:38:17 < stvn> it made her fixated on the idea of getting a korean boyfriend
2018-05-27T01:38:19 < Laurenceb_> *them
2018-05-27T01:38:25 < stvn> this is super amusing to me
2018-05-27T01:39:11 < Laurenceb_> also
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2018-05-27T01:39:16 < stvn> but me being me i think all men/women are disposable and told him to just go out and get laid stop being a whinging cuck
2018-05-27T01:39:18 < Laurenceb_> >watching kpop unironically
2018-05-27T01:39:38 < Laurenceb_> >not going to /b/ for the kpop pronz instead
2018-05-27T01:40:59 < Laurenceb_> 4chan irl http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114180.png
2018-05-27T01:41:29 < stvn> probably lol
2018-05-27T01:41:57 < stvn> but ever so amusing this guy has been cucked by a pencil dicked chong
2018-05-27T01:43:06 < stvn> like this https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6e/1b/9d/6e1b9d44e9d8eb6085bbcca2a7cead89.jpg
2018-05-27T01:43:22 < Laurenceb_> das wacist
2018-05-27T01:44:14 < stvn> she went looking for this http://eskipaper.com/images/shinee-2.jpg
2018-05-27T01:44:27 < stvn> and ended up with that (down syndrome bugeyed twit)
2018-05-27T01:44:46 < stvn> who isnt even a kpop star or has a job
2018-05-27T01:44:48 < Laurenceb_> I think I found RMS
2018-05-27T01:45:14 < aandrew> ok guys
2018-05-27T01:45:21 < Laurenceb_> http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114182.png
2018-05-27T01:45:41 < aandrew> I am very seriously thinking of using ASN.1 to represent arbitrary data (could be anything, including future types I don't yet know of)... talk me out of it
2018-05-27T01:45:58 < Laurenceb_> I'd need to google to find what that was
2018-05-27T01:45:59 < aandrew> this is for embedded but also PC
2018-05-27T01:46:00 < Laurenceb_> epin fail
2018-05-27T01:46:29 < aandrew> basically take an .ini file, tokenize it (so any unknown types error out) and then take the values of those types and serialize into ASN.1 TLVs
2018-05-27T01:46:55 < dekar> aandrew, I worked with ASM.1 with regards to SNMP before, seemed decent.
2018-05-27T01:47:32 < aandrew> dekar: it's a pain in the arse, but I appreciate that it is a) standard, used in many places, b) extensible and c) battle tested (decades of use)
2018-05-27T01:47:57 < jadew> aandrew, depends what your needs are
2018-05-27T01:47:59 < aandrew> I've got a lightweight asn.1 encoder/decoder that I've written for another project, I can use it, and there are some really small ini file parsers
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2018-05-27T01:49:15 < aandrew> jadew: needs are basically a way to encode configuration values which are bool, int, float and string, but may include something in the future I can't think of now (doubles? binary blobs? etc.)... ASN.1 gives me a way to future-proof things, test for correctness and can help keep the encoded stream small
2018-05-27T01:50:16 < jadew> I see, so you need it to be typed/enforced
2018-05-27T01:50:29 < jadew> json is great if you don't need that
2018-05-27T01:50:31 < aandrew> not need, but want
2018-05-27T01:50:34 < jadew> but it's not great with blob data
2018-05-27T01:50:44 < aandrew> and also asn.1 allows easy conversion to/from things such as json
2018-05-27T01:51:41 < stvn> the loaded cat
2018-05-27T01:52:26 < stvn> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2Nce4YCIAA9nm7.jpg
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2018-05-27T01:54:30 < aandrew> I think there's something wrong with your cat
2018-05-27T01:55:26 < stvn> probably bad capacitors right
2018-05-27T01:57:49 < aandrew> lol
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2018-05-27T02:14:04 < Cracki> bitmask, I'm looking at those counterbores and all I can think of is "if all you have is nails, every solution looks like a hammer"
2018-05-27T02:14:35 < bitmask> I dont get it
2018-05-27T02:14:51 < Ultrasauce> you dont countersink a nail you goose
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2018-05-27T02:15:05 < Cracki> your hammer is a 3d printer ;)
2018-05-27T02:15:49 < Cracki> if you had the tools to work with metal, aluminium at least, you'd just make the part differently
2018-05-27T02:16:15 < Laurenceb_> if all you have is a 3d printer, every problem looks like molten plastic gloop
2018-05-27T02:16:19 < Cracki> when all I had was a 3d printer, I did the same
2018-05-27T02:17:03 < bitmask> oh, yea I guess, I would like to get into wood/metal stuff as well but I dont have the room or funds for it at the moment
2018-05-27T02:17:05 < Ultrasauce> I too have a knee mill in my bedroom
2018-05-27T02:17:22 < Cracki> it's so easy and clean to just construct the part and print it
2018-05-27T02:17:27 < stvn> the only 3d printer i used was uprint se - https://www.hanselman.com/blog/3DPrinterShootout600PrintrbotVs20000UPrintSEPlus.aspx
2018-05-27T02:17:38 < bitmask> I didnt even design this, just found it on thingiverse
2018-05-27T02:17:45 < stvn> uprint se was 'okay i guess'
2018-05-27T02:18:05 < bitmask> I figure if its for a 3d printer desk/future enclosure then might as well print everything I can 
2018-05-27T02:18:17 < stvn> i found it 'cool' that uprint printed support material
2018-05-27T02:18:56 < Ultrasauce> soluble support is pretty neat but breakaway works fine for most designs
2018-05-27T02:19:08 < Ultrasauce> and both require finishing work anyway
2018-05-27T02:19:53 < stvn> I've been tasked with using solidworks at muh real-job(tm)
2018-05-27T02:20:12 < Cracki> I wonder how solidworks compares to autodesk inventor/360
2018-05-27T02:20:27 < Cracki> with a space mouse, I found inventor kinda easy
2018-05-27T02:20:37 < bitmask> ive only used fusion
2018-05-27T02:20:57 < Cracki> the biggest question mark in my head was how to go about constructing a part (or assembly) so it's parametric enough
2018-05-27T02:21:22 < stvn> i'm sure there are more than a handful of tools that would work just as well
2018-05-27T02:21:22 < Laurenceb_> You lads watching the game? Hoping Salah absolutely belts it into the back of the net and then comes home to bang my gf haha bants
2018-05-27T02:21:45 < Cracki> fusion is even more focused. in inventor, you have to make a file for every part, which I find tedious. in fusion, you just do your assembly and create parts as needed.
2018-05-27T02:22:18 < Laurenceb_> >not just ising freecad
2018-05-27T02:22:25 < Cracki> freecad lol
2018-05-27T02:22:34 < Laurenceb_> shit works 4 me
2018-05-27T02:22:43 < Cracki> that pos is only usable once you've done the tutorials of a commercial application
2018-05-27T02:22:59 < Ultrasauce> I tried using freecad just to inspect some dxfs and found it it requires a restart to change the visual grid size
2018-05-27T02:23:03 < Cracki> it's a bad copy of what commercial software was like 10 years ago
2018-05-27T02:23:25 < Cracki> all the user interaction is so clunky...
2018-05-27T02:23:37 < Laurenceb_> heh
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2018-05-27T02:23:43 < Cracki> sidebar dialogs, lots of invisible modes
2018-05-27T02:23:45 < Laurenceb_> tfw I find it easy to use
2018-05-27T02:24:09 < Cracki> if you find freecad easy, you'll find commercial solid modeling software absolutely trivial
2018-05-27T02:24:29 < bitmask> I should learn the proper way to design in fusion 360, my method creates parts that very rarely work if you go back and change a dimension
2018-05-27T02:24:33 < Laurenceb_> occasional bugs in the tree thing are rage inducing
2018-05-27T02:24:41 < Laurenceb_> but >0.17 seems reliable
2018-05-27T02:24:52 < bitmask> everything always breaks
2018-05-27T02:24:57 < Laurenceb_> also for complex stuff I just write python macros
2018-05-27T02:25:40 < Cracki> oh yes, the programmability isn't what it could be with autodesk... they treat that as a second/third-class citizen
2018-05-27T02:26:03 < Cracki> stark contrast to stuff like openscad, where that's the only way to work
2018-05-27T02:26:14 < Laurenceb_> I needed surfaces created by equations
2018-05-27T02:26:27 < Cracki> ah that's built into autodesk ;)
2018-05-27T02:26:35 < Cracki> how does freecad do it?
2018-05-27T02:26:38 < Laurenceb_> wokred easily in freecad using a python macro to create a dialog box to enter properties
2018-05-27T02:27:02 < Laurenceb_> then some loops to create grid of tie point for a loft operation
2018-05-27T02:30:21 < Laurenceb_> http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114191.jpeg
2018-05-27T02:31:07 < Cracki> maybe he likes traps
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2018-05-27T03:00:02 < Cracki> TIL red squirrels are almost extinct in the UK. grey squirrels displaced them. greys are fucked too because of some mutation, there are now black squirrels that are even more brutal.
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2018-05-27T03:01:33 < Laurenceb_> wew shit is kicking off http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114192.jpg
2018-05-27T03:03:39 < Cracki> must be something in the water
2018-05-27T03:03:45 < Cracki> what is their fucking reasoning for 13 months?
2018-05-27T03:04:16 < Cracki> that judge's parentage is in question
2018-05-27T03:04:43 < Laurenceb_> I'm not sure I believe any of this shit
2018-05-27T03:04:56 < Laurenceb_> there is a "d notice" so MSM can't say anything
2018-05-27T03:05:14 < Cracki> occupied government
2018-05-27T03:05:54 < Cracki> it's time to make nooses
2018-05-27T03:06:22 < Laurenceb_> last tiem I checked the gov cant throw you in prison for 13 months in ~1 hour with no proper trial
2018-05-27T03:06:31 < Cracki> people die in UK prisons because of a fucking ham sandwich
2018-05-27T03:06:34 < Laurenceb_> thats literally worse than le ebil russia
2018-05-27T03:06:51 < Laurenceb_> so I suspect its all bullshit spreading as a result of the d notice
2018-05-27T03:06:58 < Cracki> "contempt of court" was the loophole they abused to lock him up
2018-05-27T03:07:01 < Laurenceb_> but if its real then its tiem to get angry
2018-05-27T03:07:03 < Cracki> no, it's not bullshit
2018-05-27T03:07:08 < Cracki> it's actually real
2018-05-27T03:07:10 < Laurenceb_> even if I think he is an ass
2018-05-27T03:07:30 < Laurenceb_> tbh if its true I'd kick off no matter who it happened to
2018-05-27T03:07:36 < Cracki> well he is a complicated character but he fights for the right things
2018-05-27T03:07:48 < Laurenceb_> but I'll wait for serious news giving actual info on ftw happened
2018-05-27T03:07:54 < Laurenceb_> *wtf
2018-05-27T03:08:03 < Cracki> you'll have to check foreign news service
2018-05-27T03:08:18 < Cracki> or hunt for anything from just before the gag order
2018-05-27T03:08:35 < Cracki> I heard it only affects publication after the order was made
2018-05-27T03:08:38 < Laurenceb_> or go to Syria to hang with based Assad
2018-05-27T03:08:53 < Cracki> did you know, golan heights is going to be israeli
2018-05-27T03:09:27 < Cracki> it's actually syrian but nobody cares because israel is above criticism
2018-05-27T03:10:10 < Cracki> something something Lebensraum
2018-05-27T03:10:26 < Laurenceb_> tbh http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114193.png
2018-05-27T03:11:37 < Cracki> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeJUOO5X4AAmvf1.jpg:orig
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2018-05-27T03:19:57 < Laurenceb_> >Irish voted to kill their own unborn children
2018-05-27T03:19:58 < Laurenceb_> I don't know whether to be upset that unborn children are being killed or be happy that unborn Irish children are being killed tbh
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2018-05-27T03:23:39 < Cracki> they're gonna go the way of the red squirrel
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2018-05-27T03:52:36 < Laurenceb_> THE MUSLIMS CONTROL HOLLYWOOD AND THE MEDIA
2018-05-27T03:52:53 < Laurenceb_> ^Alex Jones
2018-05-27T03:54:12 < Cracki> close enough
2018-05-27T03:55:20 < Cracki> I wonder how many nukes there are hidden inside satellites in orbit...
2018-05-27T03:55:44 < Cracki> and how many it'd take to carpet-glass certain areas
2018-05-27T03:55:48 < Laurenceb_> >not realising that Lizards are a biggest issue
2018-05-27T03:55:55 < Cracki> Lizardb_
2018-05-27T03:56:24 < Cracki> lizards are related to birds
2018-05-27T03:56:40 < Cracki> you know, the modern dinosaurs that grew... beaks
2018-05-27T03:58:05 < Cracki> TIL "... is within the range of 23 to 54 kHz..."
2018-05-27T03:59:32 < Cracki> I saw this video of a bird that mimicked all kinds of sounds... but they all sounded like heard through a telephone. bird hearing is most sensitive between 1 and 4 khz, so the critter didn't *perceive* any difference.
2018-05-27T04:03:25 < mawk> can I connect 3V3 directly to an input port ?
2018-05-27T04:03:44 < mawk> to an analog pin
2018-05-27T04:04:03 < mawk> and does it help the analog reader to use a bypass capacitor ?
2018-05-27T04:04:03 < Cracki> input port of what? an stm32?
2018-05-27T04:04:08 < mawk> yes
2018-05-27T04:04:09 < Cracki> at what voltage does the stm32 run?
2018-05-27T04:04:19 < mawk> 5V
2018-05-27T04:04:23 < Cracki> wat
2018-05-27T04:04:29 < Cracki> I know there are those
2018-05-27T04:04:38 < Cracki> anyway, what ref voltage does the ADC have configured?
2018-05-27T04:04:48 < Cracki> and yes, you can probably connect that, as long as the pin stays input
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2018-05-27T04:05:04 < mawk> you can't configure that with mbed
2018-05-27T04:05:07 < mawk> but it's 3.3V I guess
2018-05-27T04:05:33 < Cracki> bypass can help lowering noise, but there are also power "saving" modes for microcontrollers that reduce power fluctuations during A/D conversion
2018-05-27T04:06:02 < Cracki> series R, parallel C, is what you would want to buffer the voltage
2018-05-27T04:06:37 < Cracki> be aware that that's a lowpass, and understand where the "cutoff" frequency lies.
2018-05-27T04:06:44 < Cracki> an RC lowpass also affects phase
2018-05-27T04:06:58 < mawk> I have some vague memories of linear filters from my physics classes
2018-05-27T04:07:24 < Cracki> ignore all that if you sample less than a few times per second
2018-05-27T04:07:37 < mawk> I sample every 50 ms
2018-05-27T04:07:42 < Cracki> eh, good enough
2018-05-27T04:08:17 < Cracki> in the khz range you can start considering filter response
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2018-05-27T04:08:55 < mawk> I see
2018-05-27T04:08:59 < mawk> thanks
2018-05-27T04:08:59 < Cracki> the ADC has a certain resolution and a reference voltage. see if you need to configure that or if the values mbed gives you are good enough
2018-05-27T04:09:49 < Cracki> if you're feeling adventurous, it's also possible to trigger A/D conversion via timer/counter and make it store the values using DMA
2018-05-27T04:10:29 < mawk> yeah I've been looking to do that kind of thing, but mbed doesn't offer you this kind of possibility
2018-05-27T04:10:34 < mawk> I'll try to use something else than mbed
2018-05-27T04:10:50 < mawk> it's too high level
2018-05-27T04:11:00 < Cracki> aha! https://os.mbed.com/handbook/AnalogIn
2018-05-27T04:11:05 < Cracki> smells arduinoish
2018-05-27T04:11:42 < Cracki> funny, it gives you a float. that's nice
2018-05-27T04:12:08 < mawk> yeah
2018-05-27T04:12:11 < mawk> or a uint16_t
2018-05-27T04:13:05 < Cracki> so Vref is fixed to VCC. I guess that's good enough
2018-05-27T04:13:17 < mawk> yeah
2018-05-27T04:13:31 < Cracki> what are you gonna do with this?
2018-05-27T04:13:43 < mawk> reading a potentiometer
2018-05-27T04:13:57 < Cracki> hehe popular application
2018-05-27T04:14:00 < Cracki> and then?
2018-05-27T04:14:15 < mawk> what I'm doing looks more like art than applied electronics
2018-05-27T04:14:24 < mawk> I'm just toying with my box of components to learn stuf
2018-05-27T04:14:25 < mawk> f
2018-05-27T04:14:33 < Cracki> good reason
2018-05-27T04:14:40 < mawk> I have a range of 8 leds controlled by a shift register
2018-05-27T04:14:49 < mawk> and the potentiometer controls the frequency of the clock for that shift register
2018-05-27T04:15:15 < Cracki> an increasing 8 bit binary number on the LEDs?
2018-05-27T04:15:28 < mawk> and I light up two leds every 24 clock ticks, so you see an impulse travelling through the leds at the speed defined by the potentiometer
2018-05-27T04:15:36 < Cracki> ah, running
2018-05-27T04:15:39 < mawk> yeah
2018-05-27T04:16:56 < mawk> also I made some code to read distance values from an ultrasonic telemeter
2018-05-27T04:17:08 < mawk> I've been trying to use input capture to read the square signal duration
2018-05-27T04:17:15 < mawk> but it looked pretty complicated with spare docs
2018-05-27T04:17:47 < mawk> so I just used interrupts to start a timer on rising edge, and stop it on falling edge
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2018-05-27T04:21:14 < mawk> most libs I've found in communautary mbed repositories are very bad written code
2018-05-27T04:21:27 < mawk> that's what it is to have access to high level functions to do low level stuff
2018-05-27T04:21:39 < mawk> reminds me of OS development forums where people share black magic solutions
2018-05-27T04:21:58 < Cracki> indeed
2018-05-27T04:22:26 < Cracki> mbed attracts the amateur crowd, so the things shared are of that quality.
2018-05-27T04:22:35 < mawk> yeah
2018-05-27T04:23:23 < Cracki> the "professional" way would be digging through the reference manual, various application notes, ... checking out the crap code some "professional" did...
2018-05-27T04:23:37 < mawk> one ARM teacher make us write baremetal code, and the other teacher make us use mbed
2018-05-27T04:23:39 < Cracki> the quality of publicly available code really is often bad
2018-05-27T04:23:57 < Cracki> it's like youtube comments vs a book
2018-05-27T04:24:27 < Cracki> if you go by official documentation or anything that's more effort than dumping a zip file into a forum, you'll find better advice
2018-05-27T04:24:49 < Cracki> there's an advantage to each approach.
2018-05-27T04:24:59 < Cracki> with mbed, if it lets you do what you need, you're done quickly.
2018-05-27T04:25:13 < mawk> yeah
2018-05-27T04:25:23 < Cracki> if it doesn't, you can work around it
2018-05-27T04:25:23 < mawk> until you find the first race condition/deadlock
2018-05-27T04:25:26 < Cracki> heh
2018-05-27T04:29:59 < mawk> with x86 I took the documentation approach, I read chunks of the intel software development manual
2018-05-27T04:30:06 < mawk> but with ARM I'm discouraged by the number of architectures
2018-05-27T04:30:15 < mawk> so I procrastinated that baremetal class
2018-05-27T04:32:01 < Cracki> haha x86, that's a pile of garbage
2018-05-27T04:32:46 < Cracki> if you want neat docs, check out atmel stuff, atmegas, arduinos
2018-05-27T04:33:11 < mawk> yeah x86 is rusty lol
2018-05-27T04:33:36 < Cracki> arm is a layered beast. that's why there's cmsis and libopencm3 and other hardware abstraction layers (thicker or thinner)
2018-05-27T04:33:50 < Cracki> so you don't have to know which registers to poke with which magic numbers
2018-05-27T04:34:58 < mawk> yeah
2018-05-27T04:35:04 < mawk> mbed is built on cmsis iirc
2018-05-27T04:37:17 < Laurenceb_> http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114196.png
2018-05-27T04:37:51 < mawk> lol
2018-05-27T04:37:51 < antto> oh sh*t, i know that b*ch
2018-05-27T04:38:05 < antto> thanks to youtube
2018-05-27T04:39:01 < antto> wow, grandma smashed it
2018-05-27T04:40:16 < Laurenceb_> mahoosive thunderstorm heading for me
2018-05-27T04:40:19 < Laurenceb_> dis gunna be good
2018-05-27T04:41:53 < Cracki> might pass
2018-05-27T04:42:52 < Cracki> http://en.blitzortung.org/live_dynamic_maps.php
2018-05-27T04:42:58 < Laurenceb_> yup
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2018-05-27T05:09:32 < mawk> how to control VLCD ?
2018-05-27T05:09:42 < mawk> I mean, is it simple ?
2018-05-27T05:13:13 < Streaker> https://lcsc.com/product-detail/GigaDevice_GD32F103C8T6_C77994.html
2018-05-27T05:13:54 < Streaker> "GD32F103C8T6" this part number seems familiar
2018-05-27T05:16:57 < Streaker> is this how they are able to sell STM32F103 Dev boards on aliexpress for 2$ each?
2018-05-27T05:21:19 < Cracki> nah, they'd sell those even cheaper
2018-05-27T05:21:29 < Cracki> it's that stm32 already are damn cheap
2018-05-27T05:21:38 < Cracki> especially if they just tumble out of the factory in china
2018-05-27T05:21:47 < Cracki> you pay to get them to europe or america
2018-05-27T05:22:32 < Cracki> mawk, what's a vlcd?
2018-05-27T05:22:40 < Cracki> Very low calorie diet (VLCD)?
2018-05-27T05:23:17 < mawk> it's a pin on my STM32 board
2018-05-27T05:23:26 < mawk> to regulate the LCD contrast apparently
2018-05-27T05:23:34 < Cracki> uh
2018-05-27T05:23:41 < Cracki> sounds more like supply voltage
2018-05-27T05:23:45 < Cracki> but not sure if input or output
2018-05-27T05:23:52 < mawk> it's an output yeah
2018-05-27T05:23:56 < Cracki> best check the docs
2018-05-27T05:24:15 < Cracki> nucleo and disco boards come with some docs about the pcb
2018-05-27T05:30:41 < mawk> yeah
2018-05-27T05:30:50 < mawk> that's where I saw that VLCD thing
2018-05-27T05:30:59 < mawk> but it doesn't seem too useful
2018-05-27T05:31:46 < mawk> I tried to unlink the STLINK header from the board, and manually wire them using the SWDIO/SWCLK pins but the stlink header output an error
2018-05-27T05:31:53 < mawk> I have only these two pins to wire right ?
2018-05-27T05:32:11 < mawk> and maybe connect USBTX/USBRX to the TX/RX pins on the stlink header
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2018-05-27T05:38:35 < Cracki> and grond and vtarget/vcc
2018-05-27T05:39:20 < Cracki> how to disconnect the stlink part and connect it "offboard" should be in some manual
2018-05-27T05:39:21 < mawk> yeah I didn't really cut out the pcb so these ones are connected
2018-05-27T05:39:27 < Cracki> at least for disco boards it was
2018-05-27T05:39:32 < mawk> well I got the pin mapping in the manual
2018-05-27T05:39:37 < mawk> but I'm not sure about the order
2018-05-27T05:39:42 < mawk> I'll look somewhere else in the manual
2018-05-27T05:39:43 < Cracki> order?
2018-05-27T05:40:03 < Cracki> got a multimeter? test continuity on the traces to figure out which went where
2018-05-27T05:40:12 < Cracki> unless that's documented
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2018-05-27T05:40:26 < mawk> they're listed as SWDIO, SWCLK, JTDI, TRACESWO, SNTRST, then in another page the order isn't the same
2018-05-27T05:40:33 < mawk> I've got a crappy one
2018-05-27T05:40:43 < Cracki> order can be arbitrary
2018-05-27T05:40:57 < Cracki> as long as the pins are labeled right
2018-05-27T05:41:13 < Cracki> you shouldn't need traceswo
2018-05-27T05:43:17 < Cracki> ugh their connector naming
2018-05-27T05:47:17 < mawk> ah ! it works
2018-05-27T05:49:47 < mawk> even the UART over USB works
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2018-05-27T07:03:54 < emeb_mac> yeah... cats
2018-05-27T07:04:14 < emeb_mac> internet is full of the damned things
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2018-05-27T09:15:04 < R0b0t1> How are we friends
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2018-05-27T09:47:36 < stvn> just reading the news mate
2018-05-27T09:47:37 < stvn> http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/paedophile-gook/news-story/baab44d2b4ac2742d54e704a387d3997
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2018-05-27T09:52:56 < dongs> stvn, nice job with the url
2018-05-27T09:53:10 < stvn> yeah i learn from the best right lol
2018-05-27T10:03:48 < dongs> stvn: https://vocaroo.com/i/s1oUTCMsvSP1
2018-05-27T10:08:53 < stvn> who is that 
2018-05-27T10:09:20 < dongs> some ausfag
2018-05-27T10:09:26 < stvn> lol fucking aussies
2018-05-27T10:16:24 < dongs> https://youtu.be/OBhoSBDUPsU?t=137 nice
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2018-05-27T10:22:26 < Aditya> for a simple miniblink script if gdb comes out with internal error, is it normal or abnormal/
2018-05-27T10:22:30 < Aditya> *.
2018-05-27T10:26:27 < stvn> that's a very autistic mode of transport
2018-05-27T10:26:56 < PeterM> that looks like a deathtrap, nice to show that it is indeed what it looks like
2018-05-27T10:28:13 < stvn> reported by a nigger™
2018-05-27T10:29:51 < dongs> PeterM: nigger was dumb but yeah
2018-05-27T10:29:57 < dongs> i ride mine with 20km/h limit
2018-05-27T10:30:05 < dongs> that dick was going like 60
2018-05-27T10:36:03 < stvn> the laws of physics don't have any sympathy for stupid
2018-05-27T10:39:59 < stvn> better if he deaded. much more youtube hitz
2018-05-27T10:45:17 < PeterM> dongs yeah, 20km/h is probably the limit id ride on at too, same for those electric stand up scooters - you hit a tiny pot hole and you eat shit
2018-05-27T10:50:24 < stvn> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Cotton_gin_harpers.jpg
2018-05-27T10:53:39 < stvn> all my people
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2018-05-27T11:07:08 < Streaker> https://i.imgur.com/1INXE42.jpg
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2018-05-27T11:22:11 < invzim> microsd with primary partition, 8kb allocation size fat32, works
2018-05-27T11:22:43 < invzim> seems microsd can be tricky, anyone know of troublesome configurations?
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2018-05-27T11:29:56 < tpw_rules> isn't the standard 32kb
2018-05-27T11:34:03 < invzim> no idea - trying to make something that breaks it
2018-05-27T11:34:13 < invzim> just got a tip that stuff formatted on a mac can be an issue
2018-05-27T11:42:22 < tpw_rules> mac generally enforces a partition table and litters the disk with invisible files. what exactly are you testing
2018-05-27T11:47:44 < stvn> streaker: an absolute shagger
2018-05-27T11:49:25 < invzim> firmware update via micro+sd
2018-05-27T11:49:53 < invzim> a few other projects I've seen have all sorts of rain-dance and black magic to get stuff to work
2018-05-27T11:50:00 < invzim> for the user
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2018-05-27T11:57:10 < stvn> black magic you say
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2018-05-27T12:03:53 < tpw_rules> invzim: like what
2018-05-27T12:05:20 < invzim> reformat with  https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/ , don't format it on a mac, etc etc
2018-05-27T12:05:58 < tpw_rules> probably crappy implementations
2018-05-27T12:06:05 < tpw_rules> on the updater side
2018-05-27T12:06:13 < invzim> probably, but I like to learn from other peoples mistaks if I can
2018-05-27T12:06:56 < invzim> anyho - seems the latest cubemx code is pretty good once you get it running :)
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2018-05-27T12:23:41 < stvn> i accidentally the whole everything invzim 
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2018-05-27T12:25:04 < invzim> stvn: you what?
2018-05-27T12:25:28 < PaulFertser> PeterM: monowheel is much better than a tiny scooter in that regard, as the wheel is bigger and the motor is more powerful.
2018-05-27T12:26:27 < PaulFertser> invzim: the rule of thumb: do not repartition any SD cards, and better not recreate FS on them.
2018-05-27T12:27:10 < PaulFertser> invzim: both can be problematic for performance, but shouldn't affect correctness anyhow.
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2018-05-27T12:29:34 < stvn> bensons
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2018-05-27T12:36:06 < Steffanx> 🎂 stvn ?
2018-05-27T12:38:29 < Steffanx> Have you guys all said Happy Birthday to Stvn yet? He became 13 yo (again)
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2018-05-27T12:58:42 < stvn> gooday sport
2018-05-27T13:20:48 < PaulFertser> Plastics and Elastomers Identification Chart: http://www.consultekusa.com/pdf/Tech%20Resources/New%20ID%20chart%20.pdf
2018-05-27T13:23:17 < PaulFertser> + the Beilstein test for chroline (present in PVC), requires just a strip of copper wire.
2018-05-27T13:23:32 < stvn> thanks
2018-05-27T13:23:46 < Steffanx> Hows 3d printering going PaulFertser?
2018-05-27T13:25:25 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I bought a capacitive distance sensor but all the attachment options on thingiverse are bad for one reason or the other, so I decided I need to create a new one in SolveSpace, then had to fix it to work with Intel videocard, then read all the tutorials but then got too depressed to continue.
2018-05-27T13:26:17 < Steffanx> Hah. Ok.
2018-05-27T13:27:45 < PaulFertser> I decided that OpenSCAD and all the similar approaches just do not properly work. Even smart math folks behind ImplicitCAD got nowhere.
2018-05-27T13:29:17 < sync> solvespace is actually okay, but yeah
2018-05-27T13:29:28 < Steffanx> So why no go the more traditional way. FreeCAD or whatever.
2018-05-27T13:30:19 < PaulFertser> FreeCAD is not easier than SolveSpace, and it's more heavyweight and it's still not ported to the current Qt version :/
2018-05-27T13:30:22 < Steffanx> Or whatever the open version of solidworks/inventor is called
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2018-05-27T13:30:46 < sync> I was unable to get anything productive done in freecad
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2018-05-27T13:30:54 < sync> I hear that it is possible, but meh
2018-05-27T13:30:56 < PaulFertser> That plastic identification chart is really cool.
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2018-05-27T13:31:34 < Steffanx> sync, you can get used to it. But the same applies to inventor or sw.
2018-05-27T13:32:23 < sync> well, the last time I used it features I needed were missing or it just crashed
2018-05-27T13:33:08 < Steffanx> For me the UI is too weird 
2018-05-27T13:39:16 < tct> public services announcement: if you ever need a decent SMS gateway I can highly recommend mexmo.com
2018-05-27T13:39:21 < tct> err, nexmo.com that is
2018-05-27T13:43:47 < Steffanx> Sms is still a thing?
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2018-05-27T13:45:05 < Steffanx> And good afternoon tct
2018-05-27T13:45:07 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: how do you 2FA there without SMS?
2018-05-27T13:45:27 < Steffanx> An app? 
2018-05-27T13:45:42 < tct> good day to you, Sirs
2018-05-27T13:45:52 < stvn> hi sir
2018-05-27T13:46:08 < tct> isn't this just beautiful: https://www.screencast.com/t/EbaGM19u1ULx
2018-05-27T13:46:46 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: an app on the same device as you access the service? That doesn't sound too secure.
2018-05-27T13:47:23 < Steffanx> An SMS on the same device you already unlocked is more secure?
2018-05-27T13:47:30 < tct> steffanx has nothing to secure. he already got violated way too many times
2018-05-27T13:47:56 < PaulFertser> You should be using some other device to receive messages for 2FA I guess?
2018-05-27T13:48:11 < tct> ^ yes
2018-05-27T13:48:27 < Steffanx> Then a 2nd app would work too, with some qr code to scan.
2018-05-27T13:48:38 < PaulFertser> Also, a regular app is not supposed to have access to your messages anyway, so if you installed some trojan it won't be able to get your bank password from the messages even running on the same device.
2018-05-27T13:51:49 < tct> PaulFertser, there are things like TOTP
2018-05-27T13:51:55 < stvn> gettin dirty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5LWcTVeWR8
2018-05-27T13:52:16 < tct> ah, well if you have your device infected you're fucked anyway
2018-05-27T13:52:26 < PaulFertser> tct: yes, that's actually a sane solution. I was kinda ironic when talking about 2FA and SMS merits.
2018-05-27T13:53:06 < tct> ah, good. I was being worried.
2018-05-27T13:53:18 < tct> anyway, my recommendation stands.
2018-05-27T13:53:20 < Steffanx> damn you PaulFertser
2018-05-27T13:53:27 < Steffanx> You are not known for doing that
2018-05-27T13:53:32 < tct> that ^
2018-05-27T13:53:46 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I just like arguing :)
2018-05-27T13:54:11 < Steffanx> I can let r2com back in if you want to.
2018-05-27T13:54:20 < tct> lol
2018-05-27T13:54:22 < tct>  /afk
2018-05-27T13:54:41 < Steffanx> enjoy tct
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2018-05-27T13:54:51 -!- mode/##stm32 [-b *!*@ip68-3-184-221.ph.ph.cox.net] by Steffanx
2018-05-27T13:54:51 < PaulFertser> :D the problem with him is that he can't discuss most topics in a meaningful way, so n'thnx
2018-05-27T13:54:57 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by Steffanx
2018-05-27T13:55:05 < Steffanx> Nah the ban wasnt entirely justified anyway
2018-05-27T13:55:22 < Steffanx> englishguy had a bad day
2018-05-27T13:55:34 < tct> how can that guy have a bad day?!
2018-05-27T13:55:46 < Steffanx> Wouldnt you after an entire day of foxconning?
2018-05-27T13:56:19 < stvn> PaulFertser: are you talkin' bout me? :)
2018-05-27T13:56:32 < PaulFertser> stvn: no
2018-05-27T13:57:11 < PaulFertser> stvn: but I suspect you of not having touched an stm32 for at least half a year.
2018-05-27T13:57:43 < antto> GUILTY
2018-05-27T13:58:00 < antto> call the stm-police
2018-05-27T13:58:20  * antto hasn't had an stm32 ever at all
2018-05-27T13:58:23  * antto hides
2018-05-27T13:58:55 < Steffanx> Im a sinner too, i did touch an stm32, but so did i touch an efm32, multiple lpc families, AVR and some new nxp/freescale cortex-m4 i dont remember the name of.
2018-05-27T14:00:01 < Steffanx> I most proud of the AVR work obviously.
2018-05-27T14:00:55 < Steffanx> I'll start a fund raiser. To get people in ##stm32 that dont use STM32 a random nucleo.
2018-05-27T14:01:57 < Steffanx>  + keil license
2018-05-27T14:02:05 < BrainDamage> the hilarious thing is that with all the apps doing 2fa using sms and requesting message permissions, the 2fa security goes to shit
2018-05-27T14:02:10 < stvn> i remember i was going to give tectu an stm32f7 disco if he banned R2
2018-05-27T14:02:28 < BrainDamage> because the other apps will read the 2fa code
2018-05-27T14:02:52 < Steffanx> you have to do better than that, stvn
2018-05-27T14:02:56 < Steffanx> a f7 is boring
2018-05-27T14:04:51 < stvn> why boring? does he want $500 keil board?
2018-05-27T14:09:23 < Steffanx> nah he just ships those boards to other ##stm32ers
2018-05-27T14:09:24 < Steffanx> like me
2018-05-27T14:09:54 < stvn> of course
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2018-05-27T14:23:32 < srk> BrainDamage: 2fa is long dead due to insecurity of gsm network itself
2018-05-27T14:23:58 < srk> too easy to fake someones phone
2018-05-27T14:24:37 < antto> i read that the SIM encryption codes have been stolen for a pile of SIM cards
2018-05-27T14:24:51 < BrainDamage> eh, that's different, that requires a couple hundred bucks hardware and a bit of technical knowledge
2018-05-27T14:24:58 < BrainDamage> plus you can't mass deploy as easily
2018-05-27T14:25:15 < antto> it's still silly
2018-05-27T14:25:27 < BrainDamage> an app sitting on your phone stealing 2fa codes instead can target thousand users across the world comfortably from your seat
2018-05-27T14:25:47 < antto> i don't even know what "2fa" is
2018-05-27T14:25:55 < BrainDamage> 2 factor authentication
2018-05-27T14:25:59 < antto> oh
2018-05-27T14:26:20 < antto> i use a dumb phone ;]
2018-05-27T14:29:30 < Steffanx> how dumb?
2018-05-27T14:29:39 < Steffanx> nokia 3310?
2018-05-27T14:30:47 < PaulFertser> srk: aren't the famous SS-7 attacks largely blocked on network operators' level nowadays?
2018-05-27T14:35:17 < stvn> https://youtu.be/d2PxY-wOrI8?t=4m8s
2018-05-27T14:35:28 < stvn> this guy lol
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2018-05-27T14:39:29 < stvn> and his hand drawn ionizing radiation symbols
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2018-05-27T14:41:11 < stvn> hi sir
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2018-05-27T14:44:55 < antto> Steffanx almost
2018-05-27T14:44:57 < srk> PaulFertser: how? if your tech is fundamentally broken it's quite hard
2018-05-27T14:45:19 < srk> like there's no PKI or certificates so it's very easy to impersonate someones phone
2018-05-27T14:45:27 < srk> you only need another phone.. :)
2018-05-27T14:45:51 < Steffanx> so what is it antto?
2018-05-27T14:45:52 < srk> also IMSI catchers, decryption ..
2018-05-27T14:46:15 < antto> Steffanx i don't know, i always forget the model name
2018-05-27T14:46:23 < PaulFertser> srk: I remember the researchers presenting related talks on CCC talking about some reasonable workarounds that can prevent the outlined attacks.
2018-05-27T14:46:24 < Steffanx> -_-
2018-05-27T14:47:14 < PaulFertser> srk: if we're talking about SS-7, and not physically faking someone else's phone. But I thought modern SIM cards include some crypto and the cell actually authenticates them reliably.
2018-05-27T14:47:56 < srk> PaulFertser: even if that's in use it's probably not strong enough - you need a complete PKI trust chain for something like this to work I'm afraid
2018-05-27T14:49:04 < PaulFertser> srk: network operators fully control the sim cards  
2018-05-27T14:51:11 < srk> PaulFertser: yeah and you can still deploy your own cells :)
2018-05-27T14:51:23 < srk> which phones will use without any complaints
2018-05-27T14:51:27 < antto> Steffanx 2610 i think
2018-05-27T14:51:40 < antto> looks the same
2018-05-27T14:51:41 < PaulFertser> srk: right, the authentication in GSM worked only one way.
2018-05-27T14:51:47 < Steffanx> Full colour antto?
2018-05-27T14:52:04 < antto> mm.. well it has "colors"
2018-05-27T14:52:35 < antto> i got my old 3310 too
2018-05-27T14:53:02 < antto> it would work as always if i just put a battery in it
2018-05-27T14:54:43 < PaulFertser> srk: so according to what I've read/seen no, you can't easily impersonate someone else's phone and receive messages from SMS on its behalf.
2018-05-27T14:56:30 < srk> PaulFertser: possible, I wouldn't count on that :D
2018-05-27T14:56:51 < srk> PaulFertser: one of the CCC talks from few years ago demonstrated this with single motorola :)
2018-05-27T14:56:53 < BrainDamage> if you're in the proximity, and do a downgrade attack to gsm, you can sniff the traffic on-air since the encryption is busted
2018-05-27T14:57:01 < BrainDamage> but i would count it as a targeted attack
2018-05-27T14:57:05 < srk> yeah
2018-05-27T14:58:08 < BrainDamage> you could mass-deploy it, but disrupting 3/4 g on a large area is bound to be noticed, and for any given time the amount of 2fa codes on flight is small
2018-05-27T14:59:37 < PaulFertser> srk: you're probably talking about a talk where a calypso phone was made into an ad-hoc cell station. That's a completely different attack.
2018-05-27T15:00:03 < BrainDamage> or, I guess you could do it like the americans, get the spillover from the p2p microwave links between BTS
2018-05-27T15:00:52 < srk> PaulFertser: point is that there's tons of attacks on sms based 2fa which is why it is not recommended anymore
2018-05-27T15:01:04 < srk> like we have tons of alternatives
2018-05-27T15:01:09 < BrainDamage> 'anymore'
2018-05-27T15:01:21 < BrainDamage> it was idiotic the first day it was pushed out
2018-05-27T15:09:51 < PaulFertser> srk: I'd like to know the details of some practical attack.
2018-05-27T15:11:16 < PaulFertser> Downgrading to insecure GSM ciphers is a good example but it's a reasonably expensive attack.
2018-05-27T15:11:32 < srk> PaulFertser: malware attacks are the most common
2018-05-27T15:11:55 < srk> also there are many baseband bugs that you can probably exploit
2018-05-27T15:12:02 < PaulFertser> srk: yes, but they can attack in-app authentication too.
2018-05-27T15:12:25 < PaulFertser> Baseband bugs is an even more sophisticated attack.
2018-05-27T15:13:02 < srk> wouldn't say so. you don't even need special hardware
2018-05-27T15:13:25 < srk> just fuzz phones with undocumented messages
2018-05-27T15:13:25 < srk> :)
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2018-05-27T15:51:42 < invzim> anyone got a benchmark/experience of sha1?
2018-05-27T15:52:22 < invzim> Reading 10MB and calculate sha1 takes 6.5s on 84mhz stm32f401, raw read time is about 1.5s
2018-05-27T15:53:48 < jpa-> where are you reading data from so fast? sdio?
2018-05-27T15:53:48 < invzim> using this https://github.com/dottedmag/libsha1 as it's two files and seem to work
2018-05-27T15:53:54 < invzim> yup
2018-05-27T15:56:08 < jpa-> UM0586 table 137 suggests that ST's cryptographic library would take 4.6 seconds for 10MB SHA-1
2018-05-27T15:56:37 < PeterM> seems reasonable
2018-05-27T15:56:38 < jpa-> and just 0.25 seconds with hardware accel
2018-05-27T15:56:48 < PeterM> noice
2018-05-27T15:56:49 < jpa-> (which stm32f401 doesn't have)
2018-05-27T15:57:42 < invzim> jpa-: great, thanks!  I'll stick to the 2 file version then :)
2018-05-27T15:58:15 < Laurenceb_> the CodeMonkey is love, the CodeMonkey is life
2018-05-27T15:58:42 < Laurenceb_> rip imcapfy
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2018-05-27T15:59:42 < jpa-> https://www.wolfssl.com/docs/benchmarks/   says 4.5 seconds on STM32F4 without hw crypto, but for that the cpu is at 180 MHz so a comparable value would be 9.6 seconds
2018-05-27T16:00:10 < jpa-> er no
2018-05-27T16:00:33 < jpa-> 2.3 seconds, and 4.8 seconds at 84MHz
2018-05-27T16:01:25 < jpa-> so your 5 seconds seems totally on-par :P
2018-05-27T16:01:45 < invzim> yup, with my 'good' 64gb card I get file 10mbrand.bin - 10485760 bytes - total time 5743ms - blocksize 4096 
2018-05-27T16:02:02 < jpa-> (though you could of course parallelize the computation to shave off the 1.5s)
2018-05-27T16:02:29 < invzim> :)  It's just for verification during fw updates
2018-05-27T16:02:53 < jpa-> to make sure that only google can fake your firmwares?
2018-05-27T16:03:11 < invzim> nah, heard so much about data-corruption I want to make sure the file is read ok
2018-05-27T16:03:24 < jpa-> :)
2018-05-27T16:03:41 < jpa-> sha1 is overkill though, crc32 would be enough - but yeah, shouldn't matter
2018-05-27T16:03:55 < invzim> nice thing with sha1 is it's compatible with sha1sum in linux :)
2018-05-27T16:05:03 < jpa-> yeah
2018-05-27T16:10:04 < invzim> anyone got a nice easy aes lib?
2018-05-27T16:12:11 < jpa-> i expect the st lib would work
2018-05-27T16:13:17 < invzim> haven't looked at it, but not enthusiastic about their software in general
2018-05-27T16:13:55 < jpa-> me neither, it's not particularly elegant, but for such a clearly separated component it seems like a reasonable choice
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2018-05-27T17:08:51 < dongs> i would recommend ST shit , i mean you can easily grab aes.c or wahtever from anywhere but is it gonna be optimized for arm? probly not
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2018-05-27T17:32:06 < Thorn> found latest dongs project https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/994821876286459904
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2018-05-27T18:01:57 < Laurenceb_> shake the babby
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2018-05-27T18:14:28 < Steffanx> And then it turns out Laurenceb_ calls his little weiner: Babby.
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2018-05-27T18:16:27 < Streaker> how is babby snipped?
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2018-05-27T18:18:33 < Steffanx> How? According the jewish tradition obviously.It's called "Brit milah" for a reason.
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2018-05-27T18:22:26 < Streaker> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_the_Circumcision_of_Christ
2018-05-27T18:22:32 < Streaker> whaaat?
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2018-05-27T18:32:18 < invzim> going to recap an old psu and thought I'd check out the state of what I take out
2018-05-27T18:32:38 < invzim> anyone know which version of the atmega based esr thingies to get?
2018-05-27T18:37:28 < Laurenceb_> https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/nintchdbpict000322969611_0.jpg
2018-05-27T18:37:47 < Laurenceb_> my sides
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2018-05-27T18:39:15 < bitmask> good morning
2018-05-27T18:39:56 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: why?
2018-05-27T18:40:02 < aandrew> I must be missing the joke
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2018-05-27T18:41:52 < Laurenceb_> the based Sikh meme
2018-05-27T18:42:24 < Laurenceb_> W E W https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1000560049389907969?s=19
2018-05-27T18:42:33 < Laurenceb_> I cant even right now
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2018-05-27T18:51:31 < Laurenceb_> oh wow http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114244.png
2018-05-27T18:52:40 < Laurenceb_> he's only gone and blown his power level lol
2018-05-27T18:52:54 < Laurenceb_> what a tiem to be alive
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2018-05-27T18:59:40 < aandrew> dont' get it
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2018-05-27T19:10:56 < mawk> https://www.arduino.cc/en/uploads/Tutorial/potentiometer.jpg
2018-05-27T19:11:06 < mawk> is connecting a potentiometer like that bad for the input pin ?
2018-05-27T19:11:35 < mawk> it's 3.3V and not 5V in my circuit
2018-05-27T19:13:19 < mawk> or the analog pin has a high impedance and it doesn't matter
2018-05-27T19:13:25 < mawk> which should be the case after some reflexion
2018-05-27T19:15:41 < invzim> BSIDE ESR02PRO ordered
2018-05-27T19:21:15 < emeb_mac> so - what's the best approach to a power supply scheme for charging a LiPo & also providing +3.3V regulated from a USB socket?
2018-05-27T19:23:08 < emeb_mac> I've seen a ckt that used a combo of MCP73811 charger + LDO, but that seems iffy for running off USB while charging.
2018-05-27T19:24:32 < PeterM> emeb_mac what do you mean?
2018-05-27T19:27:16 < PeterM> bat54c + mic5504 + lt4056 seems fine if you're only running a micro
2018-05-27T19:28:07 < emeb_mac> and bat54 is steering current when running off external supply?
2018-05-27T19:30:39 < PeterM> how much current is the 3v3 rail going to draw and how big is the battery? i mean there is a point where optimizing it isnt worth it
2018-05-27T19:31:55 < emeb_mac> overall I'm guessing less than 200ma 
2018-05-27T19:32:13 < PeterM> one thing that you could do is
2018-05-27T19:32:24 < PeterM> lipo charger>ldo>micro
2018-05-27T19:32:41 < PeterM> then have a line from the input to the lipo charger go to the micro
2018-05-27T19:32:43 < emeb_mac> yeah - that's what the one ckt I looked at does
2018-05-27T19:32:56 < PeterM> and have a resistor from the charge current prog pin to the micro too
2018-05-27T19:33:19 < PeterM> and when the input to the charger goes high, pull the pin low so it increases the charge current
2018-05-27T19:33:21 < PeterM> or something
2018-05-27T19:33:23 < PeterM> who knows
2018-05-27T19:33:51 < PeterM> that seems pointless though unless the micro is controlling a load
2018-05-27T19:34:04 < PeterM> because there is no real need to optimize the charge current
2018-05-27T19:39:59 < emeb_mac> interesting
2018-05-27T19:40:12 < emeb_mac> well, need to learn more about this.
2018-05-27T19:41:55 < PeterM> if the entire thing draws 200ma and you have a 1ah battery and you charge it at 1a, if thing is after the charger, that  drops your charge rate to 800ma, and instead of being charged in an hour its charged in like an hour and 10, does it matter?
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2018-05-27T19:49:04 < nn777> I'm trying to load an .elf file onto a nucleo board and am getting "Error: Target not halted" and "Error: failed erasing sectors 0 to 38"
2018-05-27T19:50:34 < zyp> have you tried halting the target?
2018-05-27T19:50:48 < nn777> how do I do that?
2018-05-27T19:50:56 < zyp> dunno, what tool are you using?
2018-05-27T19:51:01 < nn777> openocd and gdb
2018-05-27T19:51:19 < zyp> try «monitor reset halt» maybe?
2018-05-27T19:51:27 < zyp> I don't use openocd so I'm not super familiar
2018-05-27T19:51:41 < nn777> Error: timed out while waiting for target halted
2018-05-27T19:51:45 < Steffanx> wut? What do you use zyp?
2018-05-27T19:51:52 < nn777> Error: timed out while waiting for target halted
2018-05-27T19:51:55 < nn777> oops
2018-05-27T19:52:23 < zyp> Steffanx, blackmagic probe
2018-05-27T19:52:36 < Steffanx> oh ofcourse, that's still a thing.
2018-05-27T19:53:48 < zyp> well, yeah, why wouldn't it be? :p
2018-05-27T19:55:24 < Steffanx> nah, just didnt hear about it for a while. I guess because there are no issue with it :P
2018-05-27T19:55:42 < zyp> probably
2018-05-27T19:56:39 < zyp> the stuff I keep hearing about openocd doesn't really make me wanna try using it again, but I'm aware that it's a biased observation since people are only talking about it when something breaks :p
2018-05-27T19:56:57 < nn777> "undefined debug reason 7 - target needs reset"
2018-05-27T19:57:54 < Steffanx> try #openocd nn777
2018-05-27T19:58:22 < Steffanx> but usually its just you wiring stuff wrong.
2018-05-27T19:59:53 < nn777> Steffanx, it's a nucleo demo board, the only wire is the USB cable
2018-05-27T20:00:13 < Steffanx> yeah, so not the case here probably
2018-05-27T20:00:22 < nn777> I tried unplugging that cable and plugging it back in and now get "Error: jtag status contains invalid mode value - communication failure"
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2018-05-27T20:08:32 < emeb_mac> I use both BMP or OOCD + nucleo, depending on my mood. I like BMP because GDB is so easy to use w/ it.
2018-05-27T20:08:55 < emeb_mac> No farting around w/ servers & ports 
2018-05-27T20:09:26 < emeb_mac> much easier to use for debugging
2018-05-27T20:09:36 < nn777> I'll try rebooting, that usually works with windows :P
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2018-05-27T20:10:18 < emeb_mac> but for just flashing OOCD + nucleo works well and generally has support for new parts much sooner.
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2018-05-27T21:55:34 < Thorn> IT'S BLINKING
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2018-05-27T22:05:15 < Thorn> also aoz1282ci is working (despite my attempts to kill it)
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2018-05-27T22:25:52 < Steffanx> Define: IT. Thorn
2018-05-27T22:26:24 < Thorn> the led obviously
2018-05-27T22:26:38 < Thorn> (connected to the lpc824)
2018-05-27T22:27:47 < Steffanx> AWh, you didnt make the lpc824 blink.
2018-05-27T22:28:50 < Thorn> I don't think it can blink more than once
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2018-05-27T22:33:32 < Thorn> Chip_GPIO_SetPinDIROutput(LPC_GPIO_PORT, 0, 16);  <-- 2 out of the 3 arguments are redundant
2018-05-27T22:38:09 < Steffanx> LPC is redundant.
2018-05-27T22:39:22 < Steffanx> pGPIO[port].DIR |= (1UL << pin) ..what makes it redundant Thorn?
2018-05-27T22:39:40 < Steffanx> or is that another version of Chip_GPIO_SetPinDIROutput ?
2018-05-27T22:40:47 < Thorn> there is only port 0 in lpc8xx. moreover, there is only one gpio block that contains all the ports (LPC_GPIO_PORT)
2018-05-27T22:41:10 < Steffanx> oh, i guess they just wanted to make it compatible then?
2018-05-27T22:41:10 < Thorn> so the first argument is especially funny
2018-05-27T22:41:35 < Thorn> dunno maybe lpc43xx or something has more than 1 gpio peripherals
2018-05-27T22:41:40 < zyp> consistency is good though
2018-05-27T22:41:48 < Thorn> although there is room for 32 ports in one
2018-05-27T22:42:42 < Steffanx> Except that i cannot get used to lpc pin mapping, while it's easy in stm32-world.
2018-05-27T22:43:29 < zyp> lpc4300 also only have one block, with 8 ports
2018-05-27T22:44:38 < Thorn> dunno why they decided to support multiple blocks then
2018-05-27T22:45:15 < Steffanx> Isnt it "one block" in stm32 world too (always or often, not sure).
2018-05-27T22:45:24 < Steffanx> one block as in .. after eachother in the memory map.
2018-05-27T22:45:39 < zyp> that's not what it means
2018-05-27T22:46:03 < Thorn> there is a block of registers per port
2018-05-27T22:46:08 < Thorn> in stm32
2018-05-27T22:46:40 < zyp> LPC GPIO has one peripheral block for all ports, first all pin registers, then all direction registers, then all mask registers, etc…
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2018-05-27T22:47:17 < zyp> stm32 GPIO has a block containing all registers for port A, then all registers for port B, then all registers for port C
2018-05-27T22:47:37 < Steffanx> is my memory that bad?
2018-05-27T22:49:02 < zyp> it doesn't really make a big difference
2018-05-27T22:50:02 < Thorn> lpc82x have separate set, clear, toggle, set input, set output, toggle direction registers
2018-05-27T22:50:12 < Thorn> more convenient than stm32
2018-05-27T22:51:10 < Thorn> and also word- and byte-sized registers for every pin
2018-05-27T22:51:29 < upgrdman> lol  https://youtu.be/vx1iAaoP0o8?t=902
2018-05-27T22:51:41 < upgrdman> dongs, ^
2018-05-27T22:51:44 < zyp> yeah, the gpio block itself is cute, it's just the function mapping block that's insane
2018-05-27T22:52:15 < Thorn> zyp: I'm pretty sure in lpc8 it was replaced by the SWM
2018-05-27T22:52:30 < Thorn> lpc8 and 15
2018-05-27T22:52:36 < zyp> fair, I've only looked at lpc43xx and lpc11xx
2018-05-27T22:53:01 < Thorn> there is a function register for every pin
2018-05-27T22:54:24 < zyp> same in lpc43xx, they have SCU_SFSPx_y, where x_y is the pin number
2018-05-27T22:54:29 < Thorn> I need to stockpile more lpc824 while they're available
2018-05-27T22:54:53 < Steffanx> No more stm8?
2018-05-27T22:55:06 < zyp> the problem is the way pin numbers don't match up with gpio numbers at all, and it also varies which function number GPIO is
2018-05-27T22:55:30 < zyp> the majority got gpio as function 0 which is sane, but there's a ton of exceptions too
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2018-05-27T22:56:38 < zyp> and there's no logical connection between pin number and gpio number so you either have to use lookup tables or maintain the relation yourself
2018-05-27T22:58:28 < Thorn> stm8 is good when it has enough resources
2018-05-27T23:02:14 < Thorn>  /* Connect the U0_TXD_O and U0_RXD_I signals to port pins(P0.7, P0.18) */ Chip_SWM_MovablePinAssign(SWM_U0_TXD_O, 7); Chip_SWM_MovablePinAssign(SWM_U0_RXD_I, 18);
2018-05-27T23:02:42 < Thorn> zyp: ^^ looks like it is using gpio pin #s
2018-05-27T23:02:51 < Thorn> U0 = uart 0
2018-05-27T23:04:22 < zyp> I'm looking at the lpc82x UM now
2018-05-27T23:04:45 < zyp> the SWM is cute, reminds me a bit of how nrf51 works
2018-05-27T23:05:34 < Steffanx> SWM = ?
2018-05-27T23:05:48 < zyp> SWitch Matrix
2018-05-27T23:06:22 < englishman> invzim: have you considered der ee 5000
2018-05-27T23:06:31 < zyp> basically instead of registers per pin to select a function, you have a register per function to select a pin
2018-05-27T23:06:41 < zyp> register field, rather
2018-05-27T23:06:48 < englishman> hmm wait maybe it doesn't do esr, pretty sure it does
2018-05-27T23:06:56 < zyp> they're 8 bits each, so there's four fields in a register
2018-05-27T23:06:58 < Thorn> >The following pins are available: PIO0_0 (= 0) to PIO0_28 (= 0x1C).
2018-05-27T23:07:26 < Steffanx> Oh thats nice indeed
2018-05-27T23:07:41 < zyp> this model works nicely on low pincount stuff like this, but I'm not sure how well it'll expand to large chips
2018-05-27T23:07:42 < Thorn> so looks like to select pin 0_0 you write 0, to select pin 0_1 you write 1, etc.
2018-05-27T23:07:48 < zyp> yes
2018-05-27T23:08:21 < Thorn> the SWM support function in the lpcopen lib is only a few lines long, no lookup tables or anything
2018-05-27T23:08:30 < zyp> and since there's max 32 pins per port, I guess 1_0 would be 0x20 and 2_0 would be 0x40 and so on, so the API works up to 8 ports still
2018-05-27T23:09:10 < zyp> I agree, this is the cleanest LPC I've seen so far
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2018-05-27T23:10:01 < Thorn> LPC WINS
2018-05-27T23:10:13 < zyp> to put it another way, there's no distinction between PIN and GPIO numbering anymore
2018-05-27T23:10:16 < Steffanx> Lol. He didnt say that
2018-05-27T23:10:50 < invzim> englishman: just needed something basic and knew about the bare pcb versions with acrylic casing
2018-05-27T23:10:58 < zyp> the SWM_PINENABLE0 register is still a mess though :)
2018-05-27T23:10:58 < invzim> may get something 'proper' later on
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2018-05-27T23:12:07 < Thorn> there is the CHIP_SWM_PIN_FIXED enum for that
2018-05-27T23:12:12 < Thorn> in lpcopen
2018-05-27T23:12:43 < Thorn> the elements are named by function, not pin however
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2018-05-27T23:13:27 < zyp> yeah, the the register bits are not in order
2018-05-27T23:13:45 < zyp> 0, 1, 14, 23, 3, 2, 8, 9, 5, …
2018-05-27T23:14:10 < Thorn> so you Chip_SWM_DisableFixedPin(SWM_FIXED_ADC8); and then Chip_SWM_MovablePinAssign(SWM_U0_RXD_I, 18);
2018-05-27T23:14:42 < zyp> but then again, if you enable one of those functions, it doesn't seem like the GPIO register affects anything, so it doesn't really matter
2018-05-27T23:14:54 < zyp> apart from swd and reset, they are all disabled by default
2018-05-27T23:16:15 < zyp> okay, I like the lpc824, but why would I want to use it for anything? :p
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2018-05-27T23:17:24 < Thorn> <$1, M0+, QFN33, 3 uarts, 2 spi and i2c
2018-05-27T23:17:55 < Thorn> 8/32 Kb sram/flash is not a lot though
2018-05-27T23:19:21 < zyp> how does price compare to f0/l0?
2018-05-27T23:19:37 < Thorn> oh and they appear to expose spi, i2c, uart etc. drivers in the ROM used by the bootloader for use by the user
2018-05-27T23:20:16 < zyp> oh, since it's nxp, you probably can't write flash yourself, you have to call a ROM function for that, right?
2018-05-27T23:20:27 < Thorn> looking at lcsc prices qfn seems cheaper than any f0 except perhaps the tssop one
2018-05-27T23:22:20 < Thorn> looks like it, section 25.6.2 in the UM
2018-05-27T23:22:37 < zyp> matches other lpc parts then
2018-05-27T23:23:42 < Thorn> 4 I2C cores wow
2018-05-27T23:24:16 < zyp> hmm
2018-05-27T23:24:40 < zyp> looks to me like the only unique thing it has to offer is the SCT
2018-05-27T23:24:59 < zyp> shame there's no SGPIO as well
2018-05-27T23:26:04 < Thorn> there is some pattern matching stuff in "EXTI"
2018-05-27T23:26:45 < Thorn> not sure about use cases
2018-05-27T23:26:55 < zyp> I believe in lpc43xx it's possible to couple SGPIO/SCT to do pretty cool stuff
2018-05-27T23:28:22 < zyp> e.g. I imagine it would be possible to construct a config where you write a 24-bit RGB value to a register, and hardware turns that into ws2812b control pulses
2018-05-27T23:29:00 < zyp> I haven't attempted it though, so I might have an unrealistic expectation of it
2018-05-27T23:29:50 < Steffanx> The sgpio is controlled by the M0 core right? Are there even single core lpcs with sgpio?
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2018-05-27T23:30:07 < zyp> SGPIO is just a plain peripheral
2018-05-27T23:30:13 < Thorn> I added a couple ws2812b onto my 1st lpc824 board just to test the sctimer
2018-05-27T23:30:30 < zyp> the S in SGPIO stands for serial, so there's some support for shifting stuff
2018-05-27T23:30:46 < zyp> Thorn, have you implemented that yet?
2018-05-27T23:31:02 < Thorn> nope just plain led blinking atm lol
2018-05-27T23:31:16 < Thorn> uart / rs485 next
2018-05-27T23:31:23 < zyp> I think without SGPIO, SCT wouldn't be very helpful for that purpose
2018-05-27T23:31:48 < Thorn> I looked at the SCT appnote and they have ws2812 examples for 8 and 15
2018-05-27T23:31:57 < Thorn> so it should be possible
2018-05-27T23:31:58 < zyp> but with SGPIO, I believe you can have SGPIO shift the 24-bit value into a SCT input, then use SCT to generate a short or long pulse based on the input bit
2018-05-27T23:32:17 < zyp> well, possible is relative
2018-05-27T23:32:59 < zyp> on stm32 I just make a duty value for each bit and DMA it into the compare register of a timer, doing that with SCT would naturally also be possible
2018-05-27T23:33:07 < Steffanx> Oh its the 4367: ARM Cortex-M0 coprocessor controlling the SPI and SGPIO residing on a separate AHB multilayer matrix. Includes 2 kB + 16 kB of SRAM.
2018-05-27T23:33:23 < zyp> is that the triple core thing?
2018-05-27T23:33:26 < Steffanx> Yes
2018-05-27T23:33:45 < zyp> weird to isolate it completely
2018-05-27T23:34:30 < zyp> got a drawing of the memory bus/matrix architecture?
2018-05-27T23:35:42 < zyp> found it, page 6: https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/data-sheet/LPC436X.pdf
2018-05-27T23:35:52 < Steffanx> Was about to post it
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2018-05-27T23:37:15 < zyp> I guess that core-core bridge is one-way
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2018-05-27T23:37:45 < zyp> ah, no
2018-05-27T23:37:55 < zyp> page 62 has a more detailed view
2018-05-27T23:40:10 < Steffanx> They actually mention it as well, on page 61
2018-05-27T23:41:20 < Steffanx> Never looked into it in details. :p
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2018-05-27T23:41:45 < zyp> looks like all cpus can still access all peripherals
2018-05-27T23:42:11 < zyp> so it doesn't really matter all that much which cpu does what
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2018-05-27T23:42:23 < zyp> untill you hit a bottleneck in the bridge
2018-05-27T23:44:21 < mawk> which IDE should I use when coming from mbed ?
2018-05-27T23:44:32 < mawk> I'm tired of the high level sugar
2018-05-27T23:44:34 < zyp> whatever you want
2018-05-27T23:44:43 < zyp> what should I have for dinner tomorrow?
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2018-05-27T23:45:20 < mawk> that's a poor analogy
2018-05-27T23:45:30 < mawk> why don't you jump out of your window
2018-05-27T23:45:54 < zyp> :)
2018-05-27T23:46:09 < stvn> The pill attack
2018-05-27T23:46:25 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xSjesXKB/IMG_1459.PNG
2018-05-27T23:47:29 < zyp> mawk, well, all you've said so far is that you've used mbed and want something different, do you have a more specific idea of what you're looking for?
2018-05-27T23:48:10 < Thorn> is MTB a standard m0+ feature btw?
2018-05-27T23:48:28 < zyp> I could tell you «vim, because that's what I use», but that wouldn't be terribly helpful to you either
2018-05-27T23:48:36 < zyp> Thorn, what's MTB?
2018-05-27T23:48:40 < mawk> well that's what I wanted to do first
2018-05-27T23:48:43 < mawk> well not vim but emacs
2018-05-27T23:48:45 < Thorn> micro trace buffer
2018-05-27T23:48:57 < Thorn> lpc824 has it
2018-05-27T23:49:01 < mawk> but looking at how every site I hit talks about code generation I thought that using an IDE may save some time
2018-05-27T23:49:27 < Steffanx> Lunix has your preference i assume?
2018-05-27T23:49:31 < mawk> yes
2018-05-27T23:49:51 < zyp> I don't believe in code generation :)
2018-05-27T23:50:13 < mawk> if just using stm32cubeMX and my favorite editor afterwards works for some people I'll try that
2018-05-27T23:50:34 < Steffanx> Yes.
2018-05-27T23:50:43 < zyp> Thorn, standard in what sense? as far as I can google, MTB is an arm feature, I bet it's optional in M0+
2018-05-27T23:51:06 < Steffanx> Timecube can generate makefile projects too, if you want to generate stufd
2018-05-27T23:51:12 < Steffanx> (never tries it though
2018-05-27T23:51:13 < Steffanx> )
2018-05-27T23:51:18 < Steffanx> Tried*
2018-05-27T23:51:19 < zyp> I don't believe in stm32cube either, but don't let that stop you
2018-05-27T23:51:35 < zyp> if you're interested in considering alternatives, have a look at libopencm32
2018-05-27T23:51:38 < Steffanx> timecube is great for pin planning :P
2018-05-27T23:52:04 < Laurenceb_> muh shakker
2018-05-27T23:52:23 < Laurenceb_> I finally worked it out, the babbies are being killed by toxic masculinity
2018-05-27T23:52:39 < Laurenceb_> with female wambulance drivers the problem will disappear
2018-05-27T23:52:42 < Thorn> zyp: well yeah as in whether it's an ARM IP or not so that j-link etc. may have support for it
2018-05-27T23:52:53 < zyp> then yes
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2018-05-27T23:53:00 < Thorn> I can't remember seeing it in any stm32
2018-05-27T23:53:35 < Hamilton> mawk, I wonder, how do people using plain editor and command lines, do debugging? I mean the register views, peripheral views with tooltips and subsections, manual break points, disassembly in a tab parallel to code, etc...
2018-05-27T23:54:10 < Steffanx> Some master commandline gdb..
2018-05-27T23:54:22 < mawk> I have no experience with ARM but a bit with x86
2018-05-27T23:54:28 < mawk> and yeah I used gdb in the console
2018-05-27T23:54:38 < mawk> or the embedded qemu console
2018-05-27T23:55:29 < Hamilton> Steffanx, So you are telling me, there is a point in proficiency in CL GDB at which the user is more productive that another user looking at register windows? I mean, we humans have stereo vision and such :)
2018-05-27T23:55:31 < mawk> it's faster than clicky stuff, and also gives you more latitude
2018-05-27T23:56:39 < mawk> http://timecube.2enp.com/
2018-05-27T23:58:12 < zyp> Hamilton, I use commandline gdb exclusively for stm32 dev
2018-05-27T23:58:20 < Thorn> isn't windbg or what it's called also command line?
2018-05-27T23:59:04 < Thorn> which is what MSFT wizards use to debug weendows kernel
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2018-05-28T00:00:28 < Hamilton> mawk, What is that link? I expected something relevent to CubeMX or such ...lol
2018-05-28T00:00:42 < mawk> yeah I was looking for that timecube thing Steffanx talked about
2018-05-28T00:00:45 < mawk> and this was the first hit
2018-05-28T00:00:59 < mawk> apparently it's a conspiracy theory involving time and a cube
2018-05-28T00:01:12 < Hamilton> Maybe he was talking dinglish, the official language of ##stm32
2018-05-28T00:01:30 < Hamilton> people here use shit, faggot, butt, with tech they don't like...like shitcube
2018-05-28T00:01:50 < Hamilton> But "time" is not a bad word?
2018-05-28T00:02:01 < mawk> maybe time as in time-consuming
2018-05-28T00:02:20 < mawk> but it's more RAM-consuming that anything, for now
2018-05-28T00:02:48 < Hamilton> mawk, It's written using JavaFX, right? JavaFX is the only GUI I know how to code :D
2018-05-28T00:02:54 < stvn> Welcome Laurenceb_
2018-05-28T00:02:54  * karlp is glad they replaced mawk with python recently...
2018-05-28T00:02:59 < mawk> using some java thing yeah
2018-05-28T00:03:09 < mawk> :(
2018-05-28T00:03:46 < mawk> it's eating a little more than a gigabyte of my ram
2018-05-28T00:04:04 < mawk> I just started an empty project in it
2018-05-28T00:04:42 < stvn> That’s why we all recommend 32gb memory for good stm32ing
2018-05-28T00:04:56 < Hamilton> mawk, Strange, I just started it and it's consuming ~400 MiB
2018-05-28T00:05:17 < stvn> It’s mining bitcoin for the Jews
2018-05-28T00:05:25 < mawk> click new project, and wait a bit for the memory leaks to leak
2018-05-28T00:05:28 < mawk> lol
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2018-05-28T00:05:37 < Hamilton> stvn, bitcoin mining doesn't need RAM?
2018-05-28T00:05:59 < Hamilton> mawk, Already done that
2018-05-28T00:06:02 < stvn> So they say
2018-05-28T00:06:15 < stvn> But jewcoin does you see
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2018-05-28T00:19:15 < stvn> Analog Devices’ 12-bit 10.25-GSPS Radio Frequency ADC Sets New Performance Benchmarks for Instrumentation and Defense
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2018-05-28T00:28:23 < Steffanx> Hah mawk here we call st cube stuff timecube ;)
2018-05-28T00:31:14 < mawk> ah lol
2018-05-28T00:31:15 < mawk> I see
2018-05-28T00:39:34 < Thorn> we call it timecube because ███ ████ ████ ██ dongs ██ ████████
2018-05-28T00:41:20 < stvn> I was guessing that
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2018-05-28T00:52:07 < zyp> Thorn, http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0486b/DDI0486B_coresight_mtb_m0p_r0p1_trm.pdf
2018-05-28T00:53:15 < zyp> looks pretty optional to me
2018-05-28T00:55:10 < zyp> https://learn.adafruit.com/debugging-the-samd21-with-gdb/micro-trace-buffer <- this indicates SAMD21 also has it
2018-05-28T00:57:10 < zyp> that actually looks pretty convenient
2018-05-28T00:57:21 < Thorn> Does J-Link support the Micro Trace Buffer (MTB)? 
2018-05-28T00:57:22 < Thorn> A: Yes.
2018-05-28T01:13:19 < bitmask> why do you guys follow dongs, one person replacing every word that exists with a pun is enough
2018-05-28T01:14:09 < Steffanx> Things like that grow bitmask 
2018-05-28T01:14:32 < bitmask> because you are all sheep! sheep I tell you!
2018-05-28T01:14:35 < bitmask> :)
2018-05-28T01:15:22 < Steffanx> Ok.
2018-05-28T01:17:22 < bitmask> hmm petg is printing very nicely now, wasted half a roll figuring out my retratcts were too much
2018-05-28T01:17:43 < Steffanx> Half a roll?
2018-05-28T01:18:07 < BrainDamage> cake roll
2018-05-28T01:18:21 < Steffanx> Space cake?
2018-05-28T01:18:32 < bitmask> couldnt figure out what was wrong, every post I saw said to keep retracts at like 4mm and anything over like 1-1.5 would cause my extruder to skip steps
2018-05-28T01:18:52 < bitmask> didnt realize thats what the reason was until half the roll was gone
2018-05-28T01:20:36 < Steffanx> And how much wad that?
2018-05-28T01:20:36 < Steffanx> Was
2018-05-28T01:20:59 < bitmask> half a kg? about $15
2018-05-28T01:21:08 < bitmask> im more upset about the wasted time
2018-05-28T01:21:22 < Steffanx> Oh. I tend to buy at least 1kg
2018-05-28T01:21:42 < bitmask> I did, it was a $30 roll, but I still have half the roll left
2018-05-28T01:22:03 < bitmask> well its almost gone now that I know how to use it
2018-05-28T01:22:08 < Steffanx> I hated petg, until i bought a new roll from another manufacturer. Love it :)
2018-05-28T01:22:27 < bitmask> I'm using atomic, i like the brand
2018-05-28T01:22:46 < bitmask> nice color and it is pretty easy to print the petg now that I know my retracts were fucked up
2018-05-28T01:23:06 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/6KIhJNc.png
2018-05-28T01:23:59 < Steffanx> Not bad
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2018-05-28T01:28:36 < stvn> Build the autiste ship
2018-05-28T01:30:06 < bitmask> benchy?
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2018-05-28T01:30:39 < stvn> Yeah mate
2018-05-28T02:01:27 < antto> u know autists can't communicate?
2018-05-28T02:01:45 < antto> if they do, then they are "savants"
2018-05-28T02:02:39 < antto> hm, this explains why i can't make sense of certain people here
2018-05-28T02:02:41 < antto> O_O
2018-05-28T02:04:45 < BrainDamage> Because you're an autist and therefore can't communicate?
2018-05-28T02:06:10 < antto> so did you just read my thoughts now?
2018-05-28T02:07:42 < BrainDamage> I'm not smart but I have an ok intuition
2018-05-28T02:08:35 < antto> i'm obviously talking, so either i'm "normal" or a "savant", and no i ain't supah clever so i'm just normal
2018-05-28T02:09:41 < antto> but some people here don't make much sense, i suspect they are one foot in autist land, one foot in savant land
2018-05-28T02:09:42 < antto> ;P~
2018-05-28T02:10:01 < antto> third food dangling in the wind
2018-05-28T02:10:04 < antto> * foot
2018-05-28T02:27:30 < englishman> zyp, a week and 500km in, average is 6.1km/kWh or 16.4kWh/100km
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2018-05-28T02:50:02 < zyp> englishman, sounds reasonable
2018-05-28T02:50:19 < englishman> yeah, sounds pretty good imo
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2018-05-28T05:03:34 < dongs> 27/21:41:01 [DALnet] -DALnet(dalnet@dal.net)- [DALnet Global Notice] Reminder: It is against the rules to buy or sell nicknames or channels, You will not be helped to get the money or  nicks/chans back when you are ripped off.
2018-05-28T05:03:39 < dongs>           Your ONLY recourse will be to contact your local Police [No Replies Please]
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2018-05-28T05:47:57 < con3> Whats the fastest that you guys have been able to get a timer to react to a trigger.. i.e. Have it sync with an external clock, once the trigger goes high output a high after 6 external clock pulses?
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2018-05-28T06:01:34 < englishman> this can probably be done in hardware with a proper timer. so, pretty fast, nanoseconds?
2018-05-28T06:02:11 < englishman> pretty sure you could count 6 ext pulses in hardware anyway
2018-05-28T06:02:38 < englishman> then use a gpio connected to that timer's TRGO
2018-05-28T06:04:41 < con3> englishman: I got it down to 27 nanoseconds, wondering if this is the upper limit of it. After the 6 clock cycles, it takes 27 nanoseconds to go high, with an internal clock of 216 MHz. Wondering if it could go faster as I used HAL(but removed all the extra checks)? 
2018-05-28T06:05:28 < con3> That should be around 6 clock cycles to go high
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2018-05-28T06:08:31 < dongs> definitely wouldsetup a timer to count pulses w/trigger out
2018-05-28T06:08:44 < dongs> then it would be hardware
2018-05-28T06:12:22 < con3> So the callback to the gpio pin is the thing that would be slowing it down. Removal of this with it just counting pulses would be purely hardware. i.e faster?
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2018-05-28T07:30:53 < dongs> yeah
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2018-05-28T10:04:33 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xSjesXKB/IMG_1459.PNG
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2018-05-28T10:05:21 < stvn> Zyklon b hits the festivals
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2018-05-28T10:47:32 < tpw_rules> tfw irccloud
2018-05-28T10:53:39 < stvn> Or as I call it
2018-05-28T11:23:49 < kakimir> aten usb serial seems to be the shit
2018-05-28T11:24:03 < kakimir> lost my mind with chinese ones
2018-05-28T11:26:04 < stvn> Hi kakimir
2018-05-28T11:26:11 < kakimir> I don't know if they roll their own chips
2018-05-28T11:26:23 < kakimir> but I don't recognize them inside
2018-05-28T11:26:32 < PeterM> usb serial is very vague 
2018-05-28T11:27:24 < stvn> It’s rather dirty, peter
2018-05-28T11:29:53 < kakimir> it's it own form of art
2018-05-28T11:30:00 < kakimir> they should do usb3.0 adapters
2018-05-28T11:31:23 < stvn> Wut is aten
2018-05-28T11:32:06 < kakimir> some korean brand
2018-05-28T11:32:20 < stvn> Oh ok
2018-05-28T11:32:54 < kakimir> taiwanise
2018-05-28T11:32:55 < kakimir> actually
2018-05-28T11:33:20 < kakimir> uc232a
2018-05-28T11:33:25 < kakimir> seems to work just fine!
2018-05-28T11:33:32 < stvn> Oh an adapter
2018-05-28T11:34:00 < kakimir> wait.. it's korean
2018-05-28T11:34:07 < kakimir> good shit
2018-05-28T11:34:20  * Haohmaru throws some kpop albums at kakimir
2018-05-28T11:34:34 < kakimir> I just want rs232
2018-05-28T11:34:39 < kakimir> not to be hypnotized
2018-05-28T11:34:47 < Haohmaru> no, you get EVERYTHING from korea nao
2018-05-28T11:34:50 < stvn> Pretty sure my new motherboard has it
2018-05-28T11:35:00 < kakimir> aten?
2018-05-28T11:35:07 < kakimir> they do fake rs232?
2018-05-28T11:35:12 < stvn> rs232
2018-05-28T11:35:20 < kakimir> via usb?
2018-05-28T11:35:30 < stvn> No
2018-05-28T11:35:43 < kakimir> actualy shit?
2018-05-28T11:35:47 < kakimir> actual*
2018-05-28T11:37:56 < stvn> Yeah
2018-05-28T11:38:13  * Haohmaru replaces all of kakimir's music with kpop mp3s converted to "reverse"
2018-05-28T11:39:23 < Haohmaru> probably nobody's gonna notice they're in reverse
2018-05-28T11:39:56 < stvn> Z370 hd3
2018-05-28T11:40:00 < BrainDamage> koreans would
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2018-05-28T11:40:05 < stvn> Serial and parallel headers
2018-05-28T11:40:14 < Haohmaru> but kakiguy isn't korean
2018-05-28T11:40:36 < stvn> I actually have one plugged into my p55a ud5
2018-05-28T11:41:03 < BrainDamage> nobody means no-one
2018-05-28T11:41:29 < stvn> I’d have to say gigabyte would have a billion of those serial/parallel chips left in stock
2018-05-28T11:41:51 < BrainDamage> see, you have communication problems, as you said yesterday, austism
2018-05-28T11:42:05 < Haohmaru> i said "probably"
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2018-05-28T11:42:12 < Haohmaru> pls BrainDamage
2018-05-28T11:42:20 < stvn> He said autism
2018-05-28T11:42:25 < stvn> Same diff yeah
2018-05-28T11:43:23 < Haohmaru> stvn stay out of this
2018-05-28T11:45:06 < stvn> Lol
2018-05-28T11:51:34 < Steffanx> Lol. Haohmaru :P
2018-05-28T11:51:56 < Haohmaru> wut's so phunny?
2018-05-28T11:52:14 < Steffanx> You and BrainDamage.
2018-05-28T11:52:38 < Haohmaru> he wrong, me right
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2018-05-28T11:55:32 < Steffanx> Im not convinced
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2018-05-28T11:56:14 < Haohmaru> ur biased
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2018-05-28T12:14:38 < Steffanx> Im not.
2018-05-28T12:15:27 < Haohmaru> that's exactly what a biased opinion sounds like
2018-05-28T12:21:15  * day hands Haohmaru a point
2018-05-28T12:21:37  * Haohmaru collects it
2018-05-28T12:22:38  * Haohmaru 3D-scans it, 3D-prints some copies, gives the original point back to day
2018-05-28T12:24:54 < Steffanx> Now you're biased.
2018-05-28T12:25:41 < Haohmaru> ur playing my last nerve, boi
2018-05-28T12:25:43 < Steffanx> You cannot accept someones opinion this easily.
2018-05-28T12:26:17 < Haohmaru> i got so many points, what do you have?
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2018-05-28T12:27:51 < Hamilton> Hello l33t haxers! Hope you're having a good day :D
2018-05-28T12:28:06 < Steffanx> I have. Not so sure about Haohmaru 
2018-05-28T12:28:52 < stvn> whut the fuck does that mean
2018-05-28T12:28:54 < Haohmaru> now you're trying to bias a random visitor
2018-05-28T12:28:56 < ReadErr> ReadErr here, hackin ur mom
2018-05-28T12:29:17 < ReadErr> nm, already got her backdoored
2018-05-28T12:29:22 < Haohmaru> Steffanx that's low... so low..
2018-05-28T12:29:56  * Haohmaru playz Ludacris - How Low
2018-05-28T12:34:13 < Haohmaru> Steffanx u ruined the moment
2018-05-28T12:34:15 < Haohmaru> bleh
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2018-05-28T12:37:44 < Hamilton> Every IRC channel is essentially a commune. I'm having a difficult time understanding references or getting wth people are taking about like 80% of the time....
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2018-05-28T12:38:49 < Steffanx> Part of the issue, is that you joined in the middle of the "conversation"
2018-05-28T12:40:01 < Hamilton> Steffanx, checked the log... still didn't get it :(
2018-05-28T12:40:20 < Haohmaru> the other part is that some people here are transforming from autism to savant
2018-05-28T12:40:40 < Haohmaru> savantism?
2018-05-28T12:41:10 < Haohmaru> and i guess some people's diagnose is yet unknown to modern science
2018-05-28T12:43:00 < Cracki> a good approach is to "silently drop" input you deem weird
2018-05-28T12:43:52 < Steffanx> What Cracki said. And Cracki is a person you should listen to.
2018-05-28T12:44:02 < Cracki> that, kids, was sarcasm.
2018-05-28T12:44:05 < Haohmaru> yeah, i skip 96% of what stvn and Laurenceb say
2018-05-28T12:44:20 < Cracki> oh laurence/b/ is one of my favourites
2018-05-28T12:44:27 < Haohmaru> and 95% of what dongs says
2018-05-28T12:44:42 < Cracki> heh he said dongs
2018-05-28T12:45:07 < Cracki> "to get a rise out of someone" is a common "pastime" for people on the internet
2018-05-28T12:45:22 < karlp> common for some people on some portions of the internet.
2018-05-28T12:45:30 < karlp> I don't really see it as being common here for instance.
2018-05-28T12:45:52 < Cracki> and then there are those who really have a mental condition and don't notice their peculiar personality stroking people the wrong way
2018-05-28T12:46:18 < Cracki> common as in you'll encounter it soon and frequently enough
2018-05-28T12:46:27 < stvn> lol
2018-05-28T12:47:03 < Cracki> same as "commoners". you'll encounter them, even if you're an aristocrat vampire, which many here are.
2018-05-28T12:47:25 < karlp> with that definition of common sure, but I think it makes the problem out to be bigger and more pervasive than I think it really is.
2018-05-28T12:47:30 < Haohmaru> !wz varna
2018-05-28T12:47:31 < englishbot> [Varna, Bulgaria] Clear. Temp is 24.7°C. ESE wind: 7.9 kph.
2018-05-28T12:47:36 < Cracki> "problem"? I never said it's a problem
2018-05-28T12:47:43 < karlp> hehe, ok.
2018-05-28T12:47:48 < Cracki> it's a feature.
2018-05-28T12:48:27 < Cracki> and if you don't encounter it often enough, you might think you can get away with ad hoc reactions, instead of being aware of the structure and responding consciously.
2018-05-28T12:49:09 < Haohmaru> my personal language barrier filters certain things away ;P~
2018-05-28T12:50:10 < Haohmaru> twists the meaning of other things
2018-05-28T12:50:44  * Cracki notices ur Bulgarian
2018-05-28T12:52:09 < Hamilton> Everyone has a trait here....Laurenceb often shares links...dongs criticizes shitty techs...Other users pretty much have a style...But all in all it's good to know gotchas in embedded from experienced folks...
2018-05-28T12:52:36 < Cracki> >##embedded
2018-05-28T12:53:08 < Haohmaru> Hamilton you haven't seen enough yet
2018-05-28T12:53:23 < Haohmaru> all your impressions will intensify pretty soon
2018-05-28T12:53:24 < Hamilton> Another thing I don't understand here is that many users seem to follow conversations (even if they don't talk)...I wonder, how they manage their time to do real works...I mean it looks like they are 24/7 on IRC ##stm32
2018-05-28T12:53:40 < Cracki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARPCjp0ppEE
2018-05-28T12:53:56 < Cracki> real work lol
2018-05-28T12:54:36 < Cracki> there's that "it's compiling!" xkcd joke, you know
2018-05-28T12:54:54 < Cracki> besides people have time outside of work. this here is interactive entertainment.
2018-05-28T12:55:32 < Cracki> it only differs from spectator sports in that the subject matter is actually economically useful.
2018-05-28T12:55:55 < Haohmaru> i'm skeptical about that
2018-05-28T12:55:57 < Haohmaru> ;P~
2018-05-28T12:56:01 < Hamilton> Cracki, So you mean you hang in ##stm32 in your free time?
2018-05-28T12:56:06 < Cracki> yes
2018-05-28T12:56:20 < Cracki> you hear about babby shakkers
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2018-05-28T12:56:49 < Cracki> and curiosities of stm32 (obviously)
2018-05-28T12:57:56 < Cracki> I'm idling lots, but from time to time I check what's going on, might start paying attention, learn something
2018-05-28T12:58:18 < Hamilton> Cracki, You may be the minority here...cause there are people who post when for example they encounter a problem in their workflow...for example they see something weird about something in a datasheet then immediately post here discussing that..then it seems they carry on to do their real work again...
2018-05-28T12:58:27 < PeterM> oh hey ReadErr is around,, did you ever finish that electric board?
2018-05-28T13:00:25 < Cracki> asking for help only once you have a problem... and then fucking off again... sure, but I like to be "prepared" and learn from others' problems
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2018-05-28T13:04:13 < Steffanx> Cracki come one. You should name people. Instead of "some" people. 
2018-05-28T13:04:40 < stvn> i still don't even know what the fuck an stm32 is
2018-05-28T13:05:22 < Cracki> I don't bother remembering names unless it's important
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2018-05-28T13:08:49 < ReadErr> PeterM: ya
2018-05-28T13:13:18 < Steffanx> Ill get you an ##stm32 T-shirt stvn
2018-05-28T13:13:32 < Steffanx> Best thing: i know where your house lives
2018-05-28T13:13:51 < PeterM> ReadErr it turn out any good?
2018-05-28T13:14:01 < ReadErr> ya its fun
2018-05-28T13:14:10 < ReadErr> i been meaning to look into the new vesc
2018-05-28T13:14:20 < PeterM> its no  better than the classic
2018-05-28T13:14:31 < ReadErr> oh really? 
2018-05-28T13:14:34 < PeterM> what did you use for the rx/tx?
2018-05-28T13:14:36 < PeterM> yeah
2018-05-28T13:14:39 < stvn> the steffan shirt pls
2018-05-28T13:14:50 < dongs> is there a STM32 shirt? and if so, does it feature dongs
2018-05-28T13:14:50 < ReadErr> just a rc car turnigy controller
2018-05-28T13:14:59 < karlp> I have an stm32 shirt,
2018-05-28T13:14:59 < PeterM> ahh ok
2018-05-28T13:15:06 < karlp> it doesn't have dongs on it unfortunately
2018-05-28T13:15:14 < dongs> <dongs> LOL STM32
2018-05-28T13:15:15 < karlp> but I wrote "I love dongs" on  a whiteboard to get given the shirt?
2018-05-28T13:15:21 < karlp> does that count?
2018-05-28T13:15:30 < stvn> lol
2018-05-28T13:15:52 < ReadErr> PeterM: wasnt they changing up the drv to a better one and doing a separate power board?
2018-05-28T13:16:45 < dongs> my dumb pal is making a lidar because he doesnt want to pay chinks $250 for a spinny platform with encoder/esc built in
2018-05-28T13:16:54 < dongs> i mean making a spinny platform for lidar
2018-05-28T13:17:04 < ReadErr> as a 1 off?
2018-05-28T13:17:06 < dongs> yeah
2018-05-28T13:17:09 < dongs> retard rite?
2018-05-28T13:17:10 < ReadErr> oh dumb
2018-05-28T13:17:15 < ReadErr> waste of time ya
2018-05-28T13:17:36 < dongs> he's already paying like $80 for a slipring with bldc + encoder
2018-05-28T13:17:38 < zyp> englishman, I checked statistics in my car today, apparently I've averaged 14.6 over the last 1500km
2018-05-28T13:17:39 < ReadErr> thats just the 'tism fighting back
2018-05-28T13:17:40 < PeterM> ReadErr not that i know of, they changed the fets and layout but thats about it
2018-05-28T13:17:54 < dongs> and still neesd to make a esc and write all teh code and shit for it
2018-05-28T13:18:01 < ReadErr> PeterM: oh
2018-05-28T13:18:03 < dongs> 14.6 whats
2018-05-28T13:18:05 < dongs> liters?
2018-05-28T13:18:12 < zyp> kWh/100km
2018-05-28T13:18:18 < dongs> oh e-shit
2018-05-28T13:18:19 < ReadErr> i was going to respin it but with the fets/driver/shunts on a 1 board 
2018-05-28T13:18:25 < ReadErr> and the logic stuff on another 
2018-05-28T13:19:32 < ReadErr> but decided to wait until the new version came out, it was in beta when i checked a while back still
2018-05-28T13:20:04 < srk> which board?
2018-05-28T13:21:34 < ReadErr> vesc 
2018-05-28T13:22:05 < ReadErr> to me, the 2 boards makes a ton more sense
2018-05-28T13:22:20 < ReadErr> since you can 2L the power and use heavier copper
2018-05-28T13:22:30 < dongs> doesnt matter
2018-05-28T13:22:34 < dongs> youre just doing it wrong
2018-05-28T13:22:47 < dongs> afroesc is 6L/3oz per layer
2018-05-28T13:22:52 < ReadErr> in what regard 
2018-05-28T13:23:01 < ReadErr> yea but talking about shit like ebikes
2018-05-28T13:23:02 < dongs> you don't need separate fucking pcb for control
2018-05-28T13:23:11 < srk> but you probably want :)
2018-05-28T13:23:24 < ReadErr> better cooling options
2018-05-28T13:24:22 < srk> we're considering that as well, one pcb with FETs/sensing completely isolated from control board
2018-05-28T13:25:04 < PeterM> defs go fets/driver/shunts on a single MCPCB
2018-05-28T13:25:17 < srk> possibly even two MCUs 
2018-05-28T13:25:18 < ReadErr> cheaper, since not everyone wants to pay for 6L/3oz boards
2018-05-28T13:25:33 < ReadErr> PeterM: yea that, exactly
2018-05-28T13:25:42 < PeterM> also it is easier to mount to a heatsink
2018-05-28T13:25:44 < ReadErr> cheaper to swap if/when you fuck it up
2018-05-28T13:25:46 < ReadErr> ya
2018-05-28T13:26:21 < srk> PeterM: defs?
2018-05-28T13:26:42 < PeterM> definitely
2018-05-28T13:26:51 < srk> ah, ok :)
2018-05-28T13:27:01 < stvn> aussies
2018-05-28T13:28:43 < PeterM> even if you run 3oz, you still have to get the heat from the copper to the heatsink, sure there will be marginally less heat in hte traces but the devices will still get hot
2018-05-28T13:29:29 < Steffanx> No ##stm32 shirt dongs, but i willing to make one. Especially for stvn
2018-05-28T13:29:43 < Steffanx> And Haohmaru 
2018-05-28T13:29:54 < Haohmaru> hm? why?
2018-05-28T13:30:06 < Steffanx> Love.
2018-05-28T13:30:17 < Haohmaru> ugh, i feel dirty
2018-05-28T13:30:24 < PeterM> also, depending on how much power you're running, for best gate drive you  can run your own chargepump for high side gate drivers and use low side gate drivers on the high side for better gate drive and cheaper parts
2018-05-28T13:30:37  * Haohmaru makes 10 steps away from Steffanx
2018-05-28T13:31:52 < stvn> why not stay a while longer mate?
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2018-05-28T13:32:15 < srk> PeterM: interesting
2018-05-28T13:33:59 < PeterM> you also get 100% dutycycle if you need it for some odd reason, and if you want that on standalone drivers it'll cost an arm and a leg or you cant get it
2018-05-28T13:36:54 < kakimir> how to pass both const char and char pointers to a function
2018-05-28T13:36:58 < kakimir> without warnings
2018-05-28T13:37:18 < zyp> kakimir, in what sense?
2018-05-28T13:37:49 < zyp> non-const is cast to const implicitly, so you can pass both non-const and const to a function taking a const argument
2018-05-28T13:37:49 < kakimir> I have uart print function
2018-05-28T13:37:54 < Haohmaru> kakimir your function either modifies the stuff in the pointer or it doesn't
2018-05-28T13:38:01 < kakimir> zyp, thanks
2018-05-28T13:38:03 < Haohmaru> if it doesn't - then it doesn't hurt to make it const
2018-05-28T13:38:25 < kakimir> it works
2018-05-28T13:38:29 < kakimir> good good
2018-05-28T13:38:38 < Haohmaru> it compiles! SHIP IT! \o/
2018-05-28T13:39:00 < kakimir> you would make a great programmer Haohmaru 
2018-05-28T13:39:09 < Haohmaru> yeah, i know
2018-05-28T13:39:11 < Haohmaru> :~(
2018-05-28T13:40:20 < Steffanx> *STM32 programmer
2018-05-28T13:40:31 < Haohmaru> nah, that won't happen
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2018-05-28T13:42:59 < kakimir> what is usually the shortest time / clock cycles actually sensible to sleep?
2018-05-28T13:43:25 < kakimir> if there is minimal overhead codes
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2018-05-28T13:45:18 < stvn> as long as it takes
2018-05-28T13:45:44 < kakimir> do you have any rule of thumb for it?
2018-05-28T13:46:12 < zyp> what kind of sleep?
2018-05-28T13:49:59 < zyp> I think just plain wfi to pause the cpu essentially has no overhead, so it should be applicable any time you're waiting for an interrupt, no matter how long you'll be waiting
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2018-05-28T13:52:04 < zyp> if you're not waiting for an interrupt, just spinning and polling for a flag, you'd have to consider the overhead of switching to an interrupt based approach
2018-05-28T13:52:15 < zyp> since wfi wouldn't work with a polling approach
2018-05-28T13:52:17 < karlp> there's a tabel in the RM about how long it takes to come back up from the different sleep modes
2018-05-28T13:53:00 < zyp> for deeper modes you also have to consider wakeup conditions and stuff
2018-05-28T13:53:15 < jpa-> as a rule of thumb, i'd say that less than 1 ms sleep rarely makes much difference
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2018-05-28T13:53:43 < jpa-> (i.e. i wouldn't bother)
2018-05-28T13:54:02 < zyp> jpa-, I'd say it's more a matter of duty than time spent per sleep period
2018-05-28T13:55:10 < zyp> if you're awake only a couple of microseconds between each millisecond slept, it should be well worth it
2018-05-28T13:56:34 < zyp> assuming you care about energy saving :)
2018-05-28T13:57:30 < jpa-> true, if the duty is so small; but if i had e.g. a system that was awake for 0.5 ms and sleep for 0.5 ms, i think it would use less power if just dropped cpu freq to 1/2
2018-05-28T13:59:35 < zyp> how about 5 ms awake, 5 ms asleep?
2018-05-28T13:59:50 < zyp> why is the limit at 1 ms?
2018-05-28T14:00:18 < jpa-> because the wakeup time is something like 0.1 ms from the low power stop modes IIRC
2018-05-28T14:00:33 < dongs> is it?
2018-05-28T14:01:10 < karlp> it varies based on clock source as well, and stop mode, just go look at the actual data
2018-05-28T14:01:48 < zyp> jpa-, but for shorter sleeps, you don't need to put it in the deeper modes
2018-05-28T14:02:17 < jpa-> zyp: yes, and if you can't go to deep sleep, lowering cpu freq is more effective at saving power
2018-05-28T14:03:24 < zyp> in certain conditions, perhaps
2018-05-28T14:05:30 < jpa-> for example STM32L1 takes 9.6mA at 32MHz, 4.8mA at 16MHz; if you go only to sleep mode (not stop/standby), it is still 2.3mA @ 32MHz and 1.1mA @ 16MHz
2018-05-28T14:06:02 < Haohmaru> how long can you run that from a potato?
2018-05-28T14:06:12 < jpa-> so wake all the time at 16MHz is 4.8mA, while sleep half the time @ 32MHz is 5.95mA
2018-05-28T14:08:42 < jpa-> but on the other hand if you go to stop mode with 0.2ms wakeup time, it goes down to 0.001mA so you get 5.0mA @ 32MHz for 5 ms sleep, but 6.7mA for 0.5 ms sleep
2018-05-28T14:09:16 < zyp> also keep in mind when you're halving the cpu freq, you're setting a hard cap on available cpu time
2018-05-28T14:09:27 < zyp> when you're sleeping, you're dynamically scaling to load
2018-05-28T14:09:39 < jpa-> can always raise it dynamically, if you keep APB freqs the same it is very easy
2018-05-28T14:10:06 < jpa-> but yeah, full of tradeoffs
2018-05-28T14:10:59 < jpa-> i find way too often that actual time is spent waiting on some external devices like radio link or SD card, so cannot really go deeper than sleep mode, while can often drop the cpu freq quite a bit
2018-05-28T14:11:19 < zyp> lowering speed also increases latency even when you can keep up with throughput
2018-05-28T14:11:39 < jpa-> so does waiting 0.2ms to wake up from low power sleep :P
2018-05-28T14:12:12 < zyp> true, but I'm still arguing for light sleep, not low power sleep :p
2018-05-28T14:12:17 < jpa-> :)
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2018-05-28T14:12:52 < jpa-> should we next discuss the internal resistance of potatoes, and whether it is better to take large current in spikes or small current constantly?
2018-05-28T14:13:05 < zyp> haha
2018-05-28T14:13:26 < jpa-> but it's true that there is no real reason not to do WFI() whenever rtos is idle
2018-05-28T14:13:33 < zyp> does it matter if you have enough low-ESR capacitance between the potato and the mcu?
2018-05-28T14:13:35 < jpa-> even if it saves little, it costs little
2018-05-28T14:14:23 < jpa-> (actually costs nothing, because the wakeup is as fast as interrupt entry would be anyway)
2018-05-28T14:20:07 < kakimir> if I don't have uart pins always connected to adapter
2018-05-28T14:20:11 < kakimir> to say in production use
2018-05-28T14:20:26 < kakimir> should I leave pull up or pull down to RXD?
2018-05-28T14:20:40 < Haohmaru> why would you pull RX down?
2018-05-28T14:20:52 < Haohmaru> haven't i teached you bett0r?
2018-05-28T14:21:01 < kakimir> keep it from floating
2018-05-28T14:21:01 < jpa-> i usually pull it down so that i can check in code whether it is high, and then i know that UART is connected
2018-05-28T14:21:11 < kakimir> interesting
2018-05-28T14:21:31 < kakimir> I wonder if there is effect to operation of uart
2018-05-28T14:21:46 < zyp> pulling it down would be detected as a break frame
2018-05-28T14:21:47 < jpa-> yeah, if you put it low, it will receive a "BREAK" condition
2018-05-28T14:21:47 < kakimir> but actually I do not have RXD pin even initialized iirc. 
2018-05-28T14:21:49 < Haohmaru> yeah, expect junk bytes
2018-05-28T14:22:13 < kakimir> nice
2018-05-28T14:22:18 < kakimir> I don't have it initialized
2018-05-28T14:22:19 < Haohmaru> can't you use a software-controlled pull resistor?
2018-05-28T14:22:31 < Haohmaru> then you can decide later
2018-05-28T14:22:49 < jpa-> postpone all the decisions, no matter how small! :)
2018-05-28T14:23:24 < Haohmaru> altho, if you will be using any kind of sleep mode, that pull resistor may stop being in effect, and then the pin could float
2018-05-28T14:23:52 < Haohmaru> and when you're down here with me, YOU'LL FLOAT TOO
2018-05-28T14:24:23  * Haohmaru gives kakimir a baloon
2018-05-28T14:24:32 < jpa-> no, those pulls are active in anything except standby mode
2018-05-28T14:24:48 < Haohmaru> great then
2018-05-28T14:25:03 < Haohmaru> --one_resistor;
2018-05-28T14:25:28 < jpa-> maybe even in standby mode, can't remember
2018-05-28T14:25:43 < Haohmaru> it's kakimir's job to check that
2018-05-28T14:25:46 < Haohmaru> poor kakimir
2018-05-28T14:26:03 < stvn> hmmm?
2018-05-28T14:26:14 < Haohmaru> maybe just stick an external resistor then
2018-05-28T14:26:39 < Haohmaru> u need about 10k
2018-05-28T14:26:47  * Haohmaru measures stvn's resistance
2018-05-28T14:26:54 < Haohmaru> mmm, perfect
2018-05-28T14:27:00 < jpa-> io pin states don't really matter in standby mode anyway IIRC because there is no power going to the buffers
2018-05-28T14:27:28 < Haohmaru> jpa- in my xmega datasheet it says to prevent floating pins coz they eat powah
2018-05-28T14:27:32 < kakimir> in sleep digital buffers turn off so doesn't matter
2018-05-28T14:27:41 < Haohmaru> k
2018-05-28T14:27:53 < kakimir> let them hang freely
2018-05-28T14:27:54 < zyp> make sure you have a separate battery for the pullups so they still work when the main supply is off
2018-05-28T14:28:02 < jpa-> Haohmaru: well, this is ##stm32, and it is hard for the input buffers to eat power when standby mode turns the power off
2018-05-28T14:28:24 < jpa-> but the advice does still apply for all modes except standby
2018-05-28T14:29:01 < jpa-> (and a floating IO can actually double the power usage of STM32L1 in stop mode)
2018-05-28T14:29:36 < jpa-> (which is kind of annoying for analog inputs)
2018-05-28T14:29:56 < kakimir> would you guise do &= ~((uint32_t)(0x1<<4)) or &= (uint32_t)(~(0x1<<4)) and is there difference?
2018-05-28T14:30:21 < kakimir> I working to get all sign warnings off
2018-05-28T14:30:26 < zyp> jpa-, uh, in stop mode, doesn't the pin remain configured to analog mode, thereby keeping the digital buffer off?
2018-05-28T14:30:29 < jpa-> no difference on a 32-bit platform, but i'm not sure i'd do either
2018-05-28T14:30:38 < jpa-> if lazy i'd just write  &= ~(1 << 4)
2018-05-28T14:31:01 < kakimir> im doing 32bit registers
2018-05-28T14:31:01 < jpa-> zyp: i began to wonder the same just now
2018-05-28T14:31:22 < zyp> did you forget to turn off the digital buffer? :)
2018-05-28T14:31:49 < jpa-> maybe it was exactly that then
2018-05-28T14:31:55 < kakimir> also
2018-05-28T14:32:28 < kakimir> &= ~(((uint32_t)(0x1))<<4)
2018-05-28T14:32:40 < zyp> kakimir, what the fuck is wrong with you
2018-05-28T14:32:43 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-28T14:33:14 < jpa-> 2015-03-13T16:01:42 < jpa-> and also, i think you can put digital pins to analog mode if you want to reduce power consumption for stupid middle-way voltages      
2018-05-28T14:33:32 < zyp> kakimir, if "&= ~(1 << 4)" isn't good enough for you, do something like "&= ~(1UL << 4)"
2018-05-28T14:33:33 < jpa-> atleast 2015 jpa agrees with 2018 zyp
2018-05-28T14:34:00 < kakimir> zyp, I figured out that 0x1UL does the jub
2018-05-28T14:34:20 < kakimir> I wonder why that hex turns out as int anyways
2018-05-28T14:34:27 < zyp> wat
2018-05-28T14:34:32 < zyp> why wouldn't it?
2018-05-28T14:34:35 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-28T14:34:40 < kakimir> I see it now
2018-05-28T14:34:42 < zyp> also, why the 0x?
2018-05-28T14:34:55 < kakimir> for the looks
2018-05-28T14:35:00 < zyp> it looks awful
2018-05-28T14:35:13 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-28T14:35:32 < kakimir> but when there is "complex" masks it just looks more neat
2018-05-28T14:35:50 < zyp> sure, but is it a mask?
2018-05-28T14:36:01 < zyp> or just a bit value?
2018-05-28T14:36:09 < kakimir> 0b1
2018-05-28T14:36:17 < kakimir> in this case
2018-05-28T14:36:26 < zyp> then drop the fucking prefix
2018-05-28T14:36:40 < zyp> 0 and 1 are the same in any base
2018-05-28T14:36:55 < Thorn> 0x00 looks far more pro than 0
2018-05-28T14:37:05 < zyp> sure, if it's a 8-bit value
2018-05-28T14:37:07 < kakimir> let me have my autism moment
2018-05-28T14:37:13 < jpa-> 0x10 works also
2018-05-28T14:37:13 < zyp> no.
2018-05-28T14:37:26 < jpa-> if you want to be stupid, be stupid in private
2018-05-28T14:37:37 < jpa-> here on ##stm32 we have much higher standards
2018-05-28T14:37:41 < kakimir> I didn't ask you to judge me
2018-05-28T14:37:49 < jpa-> it's not like you see anyone posting stupid links here either
2018-05-28T14:37:56 < jpa-> so don't post stupid code
2018-05-28T14:44:52 < kakimir> I just forgot I could suffix hex
2018-05-28T14:50:09 < jpa-> (uint32_t)~((uint32_t)0x0000000001ULL << (uint32_t)0b00000000100ULL)
2018-05-28T14:50:54 < mawk> use octal
2018-05-28T14:50:58 < mawk> hex is too mainstream
2018-05-28T14:51:34 < mawk> no actually define a custom integer litteral suffix to make it base 9 with emoji digits
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2018-05-28T15:07:05 < Haohmaru> yeah, okay.. i'll keep my mouth shut when i don't akchually know the answers
2018-05-28T15:09:42 < Steffanx> 🥜
2018-05-28T15:15:17 < Streaker> 💩
2018-05-28T15:15:33 < Haohmaru> 
2018-05-28T15:15:40 < zyp> 💩 << 4
2018-05-28T15:15:50 < Haohmaru> expected ';'
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2018-05-28T15:21:30  * Haohmaru copies a happy emoji
2018-05-28T15:21:39  * Haohmaru takes a knife
2018-05-28T15:21:59  * Haohmaru divides it by 0x04
2018-05-28T15:22:01 < Haohmaru> >:)
2018-05-28T15:22:39  * Haohmaru shivers, blood everywhere
2018-05-28T15:23:01 < Thorn> << 4 is equivalent to * 2^4
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2018-05-28T15:24:45 < Haohmaru> emoji blood is dark magenta btw
2018-05-28T15:24:51 < Haohmaru> i didn't know
2018-05-28T15:25:08 < Haohmaru> such a nice color
2018-05-28T15:25:15  * Haohmaru goes to find moar emojis
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2018-05-28T15:35:57 < dongs> anyone ever used the arm pid thing
2018-05-28T15:36:10 < dongs> arm_pid_f32 or wahtever
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2018-05-28T15:54:07 < jpa-> https://github.com/nitsky/stm32-example/blob/master/stm32/core/include/arm_math.h#L4715   hmm, fun implementation
2018-05-28T15:54:11 < jpa-> never thought to make it that way
2018-05-28T15:58:26 < Haohmaru> looks like a 2nd order filter
2018-05-28T16:02:00 < Haohmaru> oh, those are akchually integers x_x
2018-05-28T16:02:50 < sync> I guess why not jpa- 
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2018-05-28T16:11:09 < englishman> zyp: cool, looks like i have some improvement left still, tire pressure was a bit low too
2018-05-28T16:11:24 < englishman> the 140km/h driving i do doesnt hepl
2018-05-28T16:12:00 < zyp> mine is a mix of local driving and 120km/h
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2018-05-28T16:19:20 < zyp> jpa-, that took me a while to figure out how the D term works
2018-05-28T16:21:26 < jpa-> D term was simple, i was confused by I term :P
2018-05-28T16:22:09 < jpa-> https://github.com/nitsky/stm32-example/blob/master/stm32/core/include/arm_math.h#L1701   but yeah, nicely enough explained here
2018-05-28T16:22:16 < zyp> I term was obvious to me, I already multiply by Ki before accumulating
2018-05-28T16:23:21 < jpa-> hmm yeah, D is a bit confusing indeed
2018-05-28T16:24:15 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/Y9mVW <- expanding y[n-1] helps
2018-05-28T16:24:18 < jpa-> yeah
2018-05-28T16:25:05 < jpa-> i think i got it now :P
2018-05-28T16:27:25 < zyp> what you want is Kd * x[n] - Kd * x[n-1], y[n-1] contains Kd * x[n-1] - Kd * x[n-2]
2018-05-28T16:27:46 < zyp> so you have to add x[n] and x[n-2] and subtract x[n-1] twice
2018-05-28T16:29:14 < zyp> I wonder how well it'll respond to changing the gains
2018-05-28T16:30:32 < Haohmaru> is it a direct-form structure?
2018-05-28T16:31:09 < zyp> complexity-wise the implementation has the same number of multiplications and additions as a straight forward one, but you save the explicit subtraction for the D-term
2018-05-28T16:31:10 < Haohmaru> bleh too much maths
2018-05-28T16:31:21 < zyp> but gain another state element
2018-05-28T16:32:23 < zyp> speed wise I bet the extra load/stores offsets the saved subtraction
2018-05-28T16:34:17 < Haohmaru> my nose tells me you don't want to be modulating the coefficients of this
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2018-05-28T17:12:54 < kakimir> using load is not that straight forward PaulFertser 
2018-05-28T17:13:00 < PaulFertser> kakimir: why?
2018-05-28T17:13:17 < kakimir> No executeable file specified.
2018-05-28T17:13:29 < karlp> file blah
2018-05-28T17:13:30 < kakimir> I need to use file or exec-file first
2018-05-28T17:13:49 < karlp> oh noi, you have to specify a file to program a file
2018-05-28T17:13:59 < PaulFertser> kakimir: in eclipse gdb plugin you have a gui dialog where you can tick some checkbox to tell it to issue "file" automatically.
2018-05-28T17:14:58 < kakimir> nice
2018-05-28T17:16:12 < kakimir> I mean everything I type to GDB creates destruction
2018-05-28T17:16:25 < PaulFertser> Then just install keil.
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2018-05-28T17:20:17 < kakimir> I didn't find that checkbox
2018-05-28T17:20:40 < kakimir> I assume I need to paste the whole path of the executeable to file command?
2018-05-28T17:23:40 < srk> PaulFertser: do you use eclipse with arm support plugins? I gave up last time after I went thru 3 package managers and realized I can't use it cause I don't run openOCD :D
2018-05-28T17:25:58 < karlp> eclipse just talks remote gdb protocol surely?
2018-05-28T17:26:11 < karlp> you can configure it to prelaunch oocd if you like, but surely it's not required.
2018-05-28T17:26:21 < karlp> did you write your own thing in ivory to debug?
2018-05-28T17:26:41 < kakimir> I mean I have done it
2018-05-28T17:27:09 < kakimir> with *adequate* help from PaulFertser 
2018-05-28T17:29:50 < srk> kakimir: there's no option to tell it just use 'target extended-remote'
2018-05-28T17:29:54 < srk> karlp: ^
2018-05-28T17:31:52 < PaulFertser> srk: I personally do not.
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2018-05-28T17:37:11 < kakimir> can I abuse systick to use other interval than 10ms
2018-05-28T17:37:45 < kakimir> is there some pitfall doing that
2018-05-28T17:38:03 < kakimir> this datasheet repeats again and again about using it for 10ms
2018-05-28T17:40:03 < kakimir> sweet
2018-05-28T17:40:32 < Steffanx> Yes you can.
2018-05-28T17:40:43 < Steffanx> If you dont need it for something else.
2018-05-28T17:41:02 < qyx> which datasheet
2018-05-28T17:41:09 < Steffanx> Lpc i assume.
2018-05-28T17:41:18 < Steffanx> 1111
2018-05-28T17:41:23 < Steffanx> Or 1112
2018-05-28T17:42:28 < kakimir> 1111
2018-05-28T17:42:55 < Steffanx> Although 1 or 10 millisec are more standard numbers.
2018-05-28T17:43:03 < kakimir> it looks really trivial to use
2018-05-28T17:43:13 < Steffanx> What do you want kakimir ?
2018-05-28T17:43:40 < kakimir> hmm
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2018-05-28T17:45:59 < kakimir> it seems it can go only with 8Mhz/2 and reload value set to max only about 4seconds
2018-05-28T17:46:28 < kakimir> so it doesn't suit my needs if I don't use interrupts
2018-05-28T17:47:04 < kakimir> and it's just for led animation so that is not a good reason to use interrupts
2018-05-28T17:47:29 < kakimir> only normal operation interrupt it will have is waking up from sleep
2018-05-28T17:48:07 < kakimir> it won't be doing anything important that could be interrupted by it
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2018-05-28T17:49:45 < kakimir> and timer wont do anything important
2018-05-28T17:50:19 < kakimir> everything happens in loop
2018-05-28T17:51:06 < kakimir> timer shit goes shit - too bad - indicator animation will stop
2018-05-28T17:51:32 < kakimir> primary function is unaffected
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2018-05-28T17:55:16 < kakimir> it's not that I could not do proper interrupt based system - I just don't want to because I don't even have any application connected interrupt source
2018-05-28T17:55:29 < kakimir> it's all polling
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2018-05-28T18:05:59 < kakimir> there seems to be no seperate clock for timers in lpc1111
2018-05-28T18:06:09 < kakimir> I mean clock with prescaler
2018-05-28T18:08:19 < kakimir> just system clock directly and then timer counters own prescaler
2018-05-28T18:08:25 < kakimir> that's fine
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2018-05-28T18:14:33 < dongs> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1Q5FFLVXXXXc.XXXXq6xXFXXXa/220309614/HTB1Q5FFLVXXXXc.XXXXq6xXFXXXa.jpg 
2018-05-28T18:14:36 < dongs> retweeting
2018-05-28T18:15:45 < sync> muh impedances
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2018-05-28T18:20:54 < Haohmaru> dafuq is that?
2018-05-28T18:22:04 < englishman> lol
2018-05-28T18:22:38 < karlp> using cheap high density cabling for other purposes?
2018-05-28T18:27:00 < srk> looks very useful
2018-05-28T18:27:23 < srk> if you like want to fry hdmi with high currents
2018-05-28T18:29:22 < Laurenceb_> reee
2018-05-28T18:29:33 < Laurenceb_> Drumpf visit is in July not June
2018-05-28T18:29:38 < Laurenceb_> I went full retard
2018-05-28T18:29:48 < Laurenceb_> ree have to wait another month :(
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2018-05-28T18:34:28 < Laurenceb_> should I be pro or anti?
2018-05-28T18:34:52 < Laurenceb_> or "third position"?
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2018-05-28T18:37:29 < Laurenceb_> >be pro Drumpf >be incapable of criticising anything without throwing in some variation of 'cuck,'  'kike' or 'soy' every other word 
2018-05-28T18:38:26 < Steffanx> You should get arrested.
2018-05-28T18:38:51 < Steffanx> Try "Allahu akbar" 
2018-05-28T18:39:01 < Laurenceb_> http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114299.jpg
2018-05-28T18:39:08 < Laurenceb_> I am law abiding
2018-05-28T18:41:32 < Laurenceb_> dis car22oon is 2 esoteric even 4 me http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114300.png
2018-05-28T18:45:40 < Laurenceb_> status: ordering mahoosive Syrian Government flag
2018-05-28T18:47:16 < karlp> dongs: cables all arrived, look great again thanks
2018-05-28T18:47:28 < dongs> aweseome
2018-05-28T18:50:29 < Laurenceb_> Business idea: Upload videos tagged "Jordan Peterson" but then swap the footage with goatse.
2018-05-28T18:51:38 < kakimir> interesting
2018-05-28T18:51:53 < kakimir> my timer thing is running led animation now
2018-05-28T18:52:09 < kakimir> I assumed there should have been some fight
2018-05-28T18:52:12 < kakimir> but nothing
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2018-05-28T18:59:29 < Steffanx> Does it dma timer values for extra pro animations?
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2018-05-28T19:00:49 < Laurenceb_> tfw I join the anti Drumpf protest http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114301.jpg
2018-05-28T19:01:33 < kakimir> my browsayr says that I shouldn't go to imgoat
2018-05-28T19:01:40 < kakimir> says it's cancer
2018-05-28T19:01:45 < Steffanx> Your browser is right
2018-05-28T19:02:25 < Laurenceb_> kek
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2018-05-28T19:10:47 < Laurenceb_> http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114302.jpg
2018-05-28T19:10:50 < Laurenceb_> it begins
2018-05-28T19:11:03 < dongs> where's notfunnylaurenceb.png
2018-05-28T19:11:24 < dongs> acutally pretty funny, surprisingly
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2018-05-28T19:15:02 < dongs> Laurenceb_: lol is musk fans harassing a thing now.
2018-05-28T19:15:10 < dongs> botwu just posteed something about msuk shit
2018-05-28T19:15:18 < dongs> Sure, rather than permit Musk to be the arbiter of press trustworthiness, the press should establish such a site themselves, and actually callout outlets that abuse the public trust- and so restore confidence in their profession. Except they won't. Which is why we're here.
2018-05-28T19:15:53 < Laurenceb_> they all think he is an ebil Jew hater, so it's full attack mode now
2018-05-28T19:16:07 < dongs> https://twitter.com/maxwelltani/status/1000597465932935173
2018-05-28T19:16:07 < dongs> lol
2018-05-28T19:16:08 < Laurenceb_> truly epin lulz, but prob means we don't get to go the Mars :(
2018-05-28T19:16:15 < Laurenceb_> *to
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2018-05-28T19:25:19 < dongs> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2538741 
2018-05-28T19:25:20 < dongs> > To use a commercial service (e.g. i.materialise) for multi color printing you'll have to upload a zip file containing SexyCyborg.obj, SexyCyborg.mnt and SexyCyborg.jpg.
2018-05-28T19:25:28 < dongs> if you pay to 3dprint a whore, is it still imoral?
2018-05-28T19:25:32 < dongs> immoral
2018-05-28T19:26:18 < Laurenceb_> >unironically using thiniverse
2018-05-28T19:26:31 < dongs> well, let's focus on the question at hand here
2018-05-28T19:26:55 < dongs> i mean who the fuck would pay for (presumably expensive) multi-color 3d printing service
2018-05-28T19:26:59 < dongs> to print out a model of that whore
2018-05-28T19:27:32 < dongs> she's not doing anything dumb now that her boyfriend's patreon is patreGONE
2018-05-28T19:28:24 < Laurenceb_> >knowing who these ppl are
2018-05-28T19:28:36 < Steffanx> More importantly: WHY THE FUCK YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT?
2018-05-28T19:28:43 < Steffanx> it
2018-05-28T19:28:46 < dongs> Steffanx: i need a new hate outlet now that zano is gone
2018-05-28T19:28:50 < Steffanx> ah
2018-05-28T19:28:53 < dongs> and superscreen is just quietly failing
2018-05-28T19:28:59 < Steffanx> there was this new zano you missed.
2018-05-28T19:29:08 < Steffanx> another $5M project that failed.
2018-05-28T19:29:09 < dongs> i bet it wasn't as spectacularly dumb tho
2018-05-28T19:29:15 < dongs> y ou mean uh...
2018-05-28T19:29:18 < dongs> luna or wahtever?
2018-05-28T19:29:20 < dongs> lucy?
2018-05-28T19:29:22 < dongs> or whatever the shit.
2018-05-28T19:29:23 < dongs> drone
2018-05-28T19:29:25 < dongs> L-something
2018-05-28T19:29:27 < Steffanx> no
2018-05-28T19:29:28 < dongs> more like LOSER DRONE
2018-05-28T19:29:37 < Steffanx> It was some 3d headphone
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2018-05-28T19:29:41 < dongs> oh that
2018-05-28T19:29:42 < dongs> yeha saw it
2018-05-28T19:29:44 < dongs> but it was just dumb
2018-05-28T19:29:57 < Steffanx> kinda level zano though
2018-05-28T19:30:30 < dongs> they had to write thier own amazing gyro/accel fusion
2018-05-28T19:30:35 < dongs> because opensores wasn't fast enough
2018-05-28T19:30:38 < Steffanx> What happened with your nightly kickstarter browsing btw?
2018-05-28T19:30:40 < dongs> something something amazing head tracking
2018-05-28T19:30:58 < dongs> fuck dickstarter, there's so much cancer on there
2018-05-28T19:31:13 < Steffanx> Was that ever not the case?
2018-05-28T19:32:57 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/project-17057318/
2018-05-28T19:33:16 < Aditya> GPIOC, ...., GPIO8 means PC8?
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2018-05-28T19:33:34 < dongs> Aditya: yeah? i guess. 
2018-05-28T19:33:46 < Aditya> thanks.
2018-05-28T19:36:54 < englishman> dongs, what about the $4m headphones that failed recently
2018-05-28T19:37:07 < dongs> < Steffanx> It was some 3d headphone
2018-05-28T19:37:19 < englishman> oh sorry i have steffy on ignore
2018-05-28T19:37:22 < dongs> lol
2018-05-28T19:37:35 < dongs> he didnt send you enough stroopwaffles?
2018-05-28T19:37:51 < englishman> on the contrary, he sent too much
2018-05-28T19:37:58 < englishman> many
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2018-05-28T19:38:39 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/electrical-engineering/Fixing-existing-schematic-lay-out/ haha
2018-05-28T19:38:50 < dongs> lolwat nice rage
2018-05-28T19:38:54 < Steffanx> lol, i R2COMed englishman.
2018-05-28T19:39:06 < Steffanx> no, it what he does when R2COM ignores people.
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2018-05-28T19:40:26 < Hamilton> So the datasheet for STM32F103 shows there are 15 EXTIs for a pin like PA0 to PA15...Why "stm32f103xb.h" generated by CubeMX says : EXTI15_10_IRQn = 40, /*!< External Line[15:10] Interrupts
2018-05-28T19:40:37 < dongs> yeah?
2018-05-28T19:40:53 < dongs> that means for each line between 10 and 15 you'll get same IRQ
2018-05-28T19:41:07 < dongs> and you need to check exti_whatever shit to see which line actually fired
2018-05-28T19:41:13 < Hamilton> dongs, but datasheet says it could differentiate between those
2018-05-28T19:41:19 < dongs> yes. of course
2018-05-28T19:41:35 < Hamilton> For STMF4, yeah those are shared
2018-05-28T19:41:38 < Hamilton> but for F1
2018-05-28T19:41:51 < dongs> ...
2018-05-28T19:41:58 < dongs> theyt're shared on ALL STM32s
2018-05-28T19:42:17 < dongs> 0/1/ are usually separate, then theyt're grouped together after that
2018-05-28T19:42:37 < Hamilton> PA110-15 interrupts are shared on all STM32s? Then why the datasheet table does not plot this notion (being shared)
2018-05-28T19:42:49 < dongs> the fuck are you on
2018-05-28T19:43:14 < dongs> there's an IRQ handler for grouped EXTIs, like EXTI15_10_IRQHandler
2018-05-28T19:43:29 < dongs> where you then use whatever shithal equivalent of EXTI_GetFlagStatus()
2018-05-28T19:43:35 < dongs> to see if the line you are interested in is triggered
2018-05-28T19:43:59 < dongs> i think the shit's set in EXTI->PR register
2018-05-28T19:44:00 < Hamilton> dongs, Ah Sorry... There is an NVIC after that in which the handlers exist
2018-05-28T19:44:10 < dongs> i guess?
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2018-05-28T19:44:52 < Hamilton> dongs, thanks
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2018-05-28T19:46:40 < dongs> hmm amtybe exti grouping isnt so bad as i thought
2018-05-28T19:46:49 < dongs> i see 0,1,2,3,4 being separate
2018-05-28T19:46:52 < dongs> then 5-9, 10-15
2018-05-28T19:47:02 < dongs> i think that pattern is ~similar between all series at least the ones I worked w ith
2018-05-28T19:47:39 < dongs> ah, some shtity F0 is 0-1, 2-3, 4-15 groupd
2018-05-28T19:47:47 < dongs> so you onyl need 3 interrupts
2018-05-28T19:48:25 < Hamilton> dongs, In TM4C123, interrupts were grouped in ports..for example GPIOA was separate from GPIOB
2018-05-28T19:48:31 < Hamilton> That was more logical I guess
2018-05-28T19:48:35 < dongs> http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/05/twitter-horror-chelsea-manning-tweets-suicide-note-and-picture-of-herself-on-ledge-of-a-tall-building/ attn Laurenceb_ 
2018-05-28T19:48:53 < dongs> Hamilton: mind blowing, but EXTI numbers are shared between all ports
2018-05-28T19:49:01 < dongs> so PA0 and PB0 will both invoke exti0
2018-05-28T19:49:07 < dongs> and there you have no way of telling the difference.
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2018-05-28T19:49:26 < dongs> just the way exti works
2018-05-28T19:50:05 < emeb> choose exti pins wisely
2018-05-28T19:50:51 < Hamilton> Even inside ISR, isn't there a bit in a register to too which pin actually fired?
2018-05-28T19:50:59 < Hamilton> *too -> see
2018-05-28T19:51:02 < dongs> the index, yes
2018-05-28T19:51:09 < dongs> < dongs> i think the shit's set in EXTI->PR register
2018-05-28T19:51:34 < dongs> thats what you do in grouped interrupts if you have say exti on PB10 and PB11 and they fire same IRQ.
2018-05-28T19:54:17 < Hamilton> dongs, You are right : https://pasteboard.co/Hnilz6h.png
2018-05-28T19:54:42 < Hamilton> interrupt is attached on PA10 so PR10 is on
2018-05-28T20:03:06 < Hamilton> My interrupt fires multiple times (because of switch bounce)...Anyway, have you read Elliot Williams excellent write-up on debouncing? Definitely worth a read...
2018-05-28T20:03:13 < Hamilton> https://hackaday.com/2015/12/09/embed-with-elliot-debounce-your-noisy-buttons-part-i/
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2018-05-28T20:19:53 < mawk> there has been a mbed-os library update, and now when I do for (;;) sleep(); the processor is really asleep
2018-05-28T20:19:59 < mawk> scheduled threads don't run
2018-05-28T20:20:25 < mawk> what should I do instead to halt the processor to wait for interrupts
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2018-05-28T20:37:36 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JapIRKd9kgA
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2018-05-28T20:37:39 < kakimir> musictimes
2018-05-28T20:43:59 < zyp> hmm, I'm having quite a few boards that are somehow failing to switch properly between bootloader and runtime modes
2018-05-28T20:44:26 < kakimir> designs or boards of proofen design?
2018-05-28T20:44:33 < zyp> arcins
2018-05-28T20:44:37 -!- Irssi: ##stm32: Total of 145 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 144 normal]
2018-05-28T20:44:50 < kakimir> ?
2018-05-28T20:45:08 < jpa-> is that custom bootloader or the rom bootloader?
2018-05-28T20:45:13 < zyp> so yeah, I've had like 700 boards working perfectly with the same code
2018-05-28T20:45:16 < zyp> custom
2018-05-28T20:46:16 < Thorn> client tried to measure voltage on one of my boards https://i.imgur.com/VtLVjRC.jpg
2018-05-28T20:46:44 < srk> :D
2018-05-28T20:46:49 < zyp> I suspect it might be a soft-detach issue, it seems like the board switches properly, but the host doesn't reenumerate properly
2018-05-28T20:47:21 < zyp> but I don't get why it seems to fail on specific boards in a fully deterministic fashion
2018-05-28T20:47:29 < zyp> i.e. boards that fails always fails
2018-05-28T20:47:36 < jpa-> Thorn: nice fuse
2018-05-28T20:48:22 < jpa-> zyp: bad crystal?
2018-05-28T20:48:33 < Thorn> Ohm's law works
2018-05-28T20:49:02 < zyp> jpa-, unlikely, usb works fine, it's just the switching part that doesn't
2018-05-28T20:51:04 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/jb9NK <- here's two iterations of the test on a failing board, and then I put that in the «failing» stack and grabbed another one
2018-05-28T20:51:50 < zyp> «prepare failed» is consistent with the board actually being in runtime mode, even though the host believe it's still in host mode
2018-05-28T20:52:10 < zyp> if I replug a bad board, it gets detected in runtime mode and fails switching to bootloader mode
2018-05-28T20:52:39 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/8JWGd <- like this
2018-05-28T20:53:27 < zyp> I've seen this on a few boards in previous batches as well, but I haven't bothered spending much time debugging it yet
2018-05-28T20:53:44 < zyp> since it gets caught in the autotest, I just put the board away as bad and keep testing
2018-05-28T20:53:58 < zyp> but it's kinda annoying
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2018-05-28T20:58:53 < Thorn> zyp: can you try slowing down flash timings, I recall a similar problem discussed
2018-05-28T21:00:22 < zyp> Thorn, why?
2018-05-28T21:01:17 < zyp> hrm, I tested 20 boards now, found four with this issue
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2018-05-28T21:01:31 < zyp> couple weeks ago I tested like 50, found five with this issue
2018-05-28T21:01:35 < Thorn> I don't know why but it seemed to fix it in that case
2018-05-28T21:01:44 < zyp> that's a higher rate than I've seen before
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2018-05-28T21:02:05 < zyp> what do you mean by flash timing?
2018-05-28T21:02:11 < zyp> like wait states?
2018-05-28T21:04:01 < kakimir> wireless life
2018-05-28T21:05:18 < Thorn> latency, maybe prefetch buffers etc.
2018-05-28T21:07:04 < zyp> I don't think that would affect anything, as far as I can tell, the device behaves properly, the host just doesn't detect the soft-detach properly
2018-05-28T21:08:18 < zyp> if I weren't detaching for long enough, I'd expect it to affect all boards more randomly, I don't see why there would be a deterministic difference in timing between identical boards running identical code
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2018-05-28T21:20:55 < Aditya> whenever I run arm-none-eabi... I get thrown back saying that my include file is not found, anybody has any idea what exactly is happening(other than the obvious)?
2018-05-28T21:21:14 < Aditya> or the obvious too.
2018-05-28T21:22:32 < srk> save some trouble and use libopencm3 or something
2018-05-28T21:22:36 < srk> make at least :)
2018-05-28T21:22:45 < srk> check -Is
2018-05-28T21:23:02 < srk> -ls
2018-05-28T21:23:27 < Aditya> srk, I am using libopencm3
2018-05-28T21:23:42 < srk> make clean all
2018-05-28T21:23:43 < srk> maybe
2018-05-28T21:24:23 < Aditya> okay I have one more issue, I have both libopencm3 and libopencm3-examples, will that cause any problems?
2018-05-28T21:24:42 < srk> no
2018-05-28T21:25:04 < srk> https://wiki.base48.cz/STM32#libopencm3
2018-05-28T21:25:07 < srk> some pointers
2018-05-28T21:26:07 < Aditya> and do I need an makefile inside my project directory?
2018-05-28T21:26:12 < srk> this is cool https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/blob/master/ld/devices.data
2018-05-28T21:26:29 < srk> Aditya: made you a template https://wiki.base48.cz/STM32#Sample_application
2018-05-28T21:26:46 < srk> I'm not using cm3 anymore but it should be good I guess
2018-05-28T21:27:39 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv13gl0a-FA music times
2018-05-28T21:34:32 < Aditya> srk, so that must be my directory format?
2018-05-28T21:34:38 < Aditya> make and stuff?
2018-05-28T21:35:04 < srk> Aditya: yeah
2018-05-28T21:35:42 < Aditya> thanks, is there any template like that vl discovery boards or will the same one do?
2018-05-28T21:37:20 < mawk> what do you think of sigfox/lora
2018-05-28T21:38:42 < englishman> lora is great
2018-05-28T21:38:56 < srk> we're doing lora as well
2018-05-28T21:39:23 < srk> Aditya: you only need to change DEVICE in Makefile and linker script if you want to use different device IIRC
2018-05-28T21:39:26 < englishman> no dumb annoying settings or millions of registers on a chip that doesnt work. just a great, proprietary modulation protocol that works
2018-05-28T21:39:46 < mawk> yeah
2018-05-28T21:39:47 < srk> guess that depends on how you do it :)
2018-05-28T21:39:55 < mawk> I have a sigfox module and I have to make a project using it
2018-05-28T21:40:21 < mawk> 12 bytes per message, 140 message per day
2018-05-28T21:40:27 < srk> with rn2438 it's dead simple, with e.g. rfm95w there's bunch of configuration 
2018-05-28T21:40:45 < mawk> I can't think of a strikingly useful use
2018-05-28T21:40:58 < srk> we're migrating to the latter. gonna start implementing lorawan protocol soon
2018-05-28T21:41:15 < mawk> never used sigfox instead of lora ?
2018-05-28T21:41:22 < srk> mawk: temperature, humidity, noise..
2018-05-28T21:41:35 < mawk> yeah I mean end applications
2018-05-28T21:41:47 < mawk> I too have a bunch of these sensors, but I don't know what to build with it
2018-05-28T21:42:04 < mawk> apart from a sigfox-enabled temperature/humidity/noise/etc sensor
2018-05-28T21:42:33 < mawk> I can just mix three random sensors and call that an IOT device, but it's not very satisfying
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2018-05-28T21:42:50 < mawk> especially when it's used inside, where 6LoWPAN/zigbee/bluetooth LE would have done it too
2018-05-28T21:42:52 < englishman> if rfm95w is "a bunch" of configuration...
2018-05-28T21:43:29 < srk> call it an IOTDAY
2018-05-28T21:43:51 < mawk> lol
2018-05-28T21:44:05 < srk> and move to something more satisfying :D
2018-05-28T21:47:20 < Aditya> srk, I still don't get the concept of the makefile for this, how?
2018-05-28T21:47:34 < srk> Aditya: it just includes libopencm3s makefile
2018-05-28T21:47:45  * srk opens the repo
2018-05-28T21:48:08 < Aditya> okay, if we need to write one on our own how do we do it?
2018-05-28T21:48:32 < srk> not even
2018-05-28T21:48:38 < srk> Makefile.rules is the gore
2018-05-28T21:49:07 < srk> you just need to adjust Makefile and Makefile.include 
2018-05-28T21:49:39 < srk> you don't need to write your own makefiles
2018-05-28T21:49:52 < srk> which is pretty great! :)
2018-05-28T21:51:30 < Aditya> so then makefile.include has the location of my includes and makefile invokes all this?
2018-05-28T21:51:54 < Aditya> just have the makefile.rules as a default file everywhere?
2018-05-28T21:54:47 < Aditya> srk, I rebuilt it again with just a change in the makefile and I got elf and all other stuff, is it that's all?
2018-05-28T21:58:24 < qyx> yes
2018-05-28T21:58:59 < qyx> btw if you just pick up one example from the libopencm3-examples repo and literally copy it, you will have all needed
2018-05-28T21:59:17 < qyx> then make && make flash
2018-05-28T22:13:43 < Aditya> srk, qyx thank you very much, I got my first program working.
2018-05-28T22:14:32 < srk> yw!
2018-05-28T22:14:34 < srk> good luck :)
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2018-05-28T22:24:35 < Aditya> In the most basic blink script we give i < 800000 is there any reason for this particular number? or is it clock tree realted.
2018-05-28T22:24:40 < Aditya> *related
2018-05-28T22:32:42 < englishman> 3m to charge car by 10% at 400V 80+ amps
2018-05-28T22:32:44 < englishman> cool
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2018-05-28T22:48:38 < stvn> https://youtu.be/B-bwOgbuvBY
2018-05-28T22:48:54 < stvn> To replace china
2018-05-28T22:54:06 < kakimir> cute
2018-05-28T22:55:12 < karlp> Thorn: how does anyone use that usb connector? or were you buying those modules just as a cheap way of getting the charger ic?
2018-05-28T22:56:57 < Thorn> the connector isn't used
2018-05-28T22:57:34 < Cracki> hey Laurenceb, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_noninvasive_arterial_pressure#Current_noninvasive_blood_pressure_technologies
2018-05-28T22:58:40 < karlp> srk: why do you make your libopencm3 examples so complicated?
2018-05-28T22:59:04 < BrainDamage> karlp: remind yourself you're talking to an haskell user
2018-05-28T23:00:34 < karlp> BrainDamage: true
2018-05-28T23:00:59 < karlp> it's like, "the repo has a readme, and steps to do everythign, I'd better do this otehr sort of similar thing instead, that will be easier"
2018-05-28T23:02:19 < karlp> like,  your "template" even expects there to be some existing custom bootloader.
2018-05-28T23:02:34 < karlp> whichi is not even mentioned on your repo.
2018-05-28T23:04:12 < karlp> nice jobsquatting ST's vid/pid too.
2018-05-28T23:04:19 < karlp> hope your app is perfectly compatible.
2018-05-28T23:08:26 < englishman> zyp, is there such a thing as chademo/ccs slow chargers
2018-05-28T23:08:32 < Aditya> karlp, in the basic blink script i < some value, is an delay right?
2018-05-28T23:08:48 < englishman> it would be interesting to charge at 3-6kW but with communication to the car. so it can be a bit smarter
2018-05-28T23:09:33 < englishman> Aditya, can you post the code
2018-05-28T23:09:41 < Aditya> one minute
2018-05-28T23:10:10 < englishman> for (int i=0; i<somenumber; i++) (whatever) is a pretty common delay loop
2018-05-28T23:10:55 < Aditya> karlp, https://pastebin.com/Xzy6FTfz
2018-05-28T23:12:23 < qyx> nice arduino comments
2018-05-28T23:12:28 < englishman> ugh
2018-05-28T23:12:44 < Aditya> qyx, sarcasm?
2018-05-28T23:12:45 < qyx> yes, it is a delay loop
2018-05-28T23:12:56 < qyx> of course
2018-05-28T23:13:31 < Aditya> okay usually that somenumber how does it work? I mean if I have an value of say 800000 then how much is it?
2018-05-28T23:13:41 < Aditya> is it millisecs or micorsecs
2018-05-28T23:14:00 < qyx> it is a number of nop instructions + for loop overhead
2018-05-28T23:14:13 < qyx> you should not rely on it
2018-05-28T23:14:25 < qyx> it is good as an example
2018-05-28T23:14:37 < Aditya> and what does it have to do with my clock in GPIO?
2018-05-28T23:14:54 < Aditya> well I am starting now, need to read up a lot to start with.
2018-05-28T23:15:09 < englishman> it does not touch your gpio at all
2018-05-28T23:15:19 < englishman> that is on line 31
2018-05-28T23:15:31 < qyx> it just <delays a bit>
2018-05-28T23:15:41 < rcc> shit like that normally gets optimized out
2018-05-28T23:15:44 < qyx> if you need precise delays, use timers for example
2018-05-28T23:15:55 < englishman> i suggest picking up this book
2018-05-28T23:15:56 < englishman> https://www.bookdepository.com/C-Programming-Language-Dennis-M-Ritchie/9780131103627
2018-05-28T23:15:58 < englishman> and reading it cover to cover
2018-05-28T23:16:08 < rcc> you have to move the loop in a file of its own and disable optimization for that file
2018-05-28T23:16:23 < englishman> or not use inline asm at all
2018-05-28T23:16:31 < englishman> or gcc
2018-05-28T23:16:38 < englishman> or makefiles
2018-05-28T23:16:41 < Steffanx> or go hacky pragma style
2018-05-28T23:16:59 < qyx> arduino it and #yolo
2018-05-28T23:17:06 < Aditya> thanks englishman 
2018-05-28T23:17:07 < rcc> what's yolo?
2018-05-28T23:17:16 < Steffanx> YOLO.
2018-05-28T23:17:21 < Aditya> you only lick once?
2018-05-28T23:17:29 < Steffanx> its not cyanide.
2018-05-28T23:17:31 < englishman> You Only Lose with Opensource
2018-05-28T23:17:41 < Steffanx> lol. irl.
2018-05-28T23:17:47 < rcc> that sounds right
2018-05-28T23:18:14 < rcc> speaking about my opensource & linux rants, whenever I boot into linux, I can only hear sounds in the right speakers
2018-05-28T23:18:28 < rcc> for some reason, it starts with the volume to 0 on the other side
2018-05-28T23:18:35 < englishman> be content you can hear anything at all
2018-05-28T23:18:36 < rcc> sorry, the left ones
2018-05-28T23:19:04 < rcc> yeah, I suppose I should look on the bright side
2018-05-28T23:19:26 < BrainDamage> ask dongs for lunix help
2018-05-28T23:19:31 < Steffanx> Agreed. Already enough negativity in ##stm32.
2018-05-28T23:19:51 < Steffanx> We need some more englighted spirits.
2018-05-28T23:20:02 < Steffanx> englighteneneded or something
2018-05-28T23:20:10 < BrainDamage> ah yes, i like my vodka to be glow in the dark as well
2018-05-28T23:20:20  * rcc summons Laurenceb
2018-05-28T23:20:37 < BrainDamage> all you need is a bit quinine and a uv lamp
2018-05-28T23:21:09 < Steffanx> Just need somthing with enough alcohol and set it on fire.
2018-05-28T23:21:36 < qyx> BrainDamage: does tonic water glow in uv?
2018-05-28T23:21:41 < BrainDamage> qyx: yes
2018-05-28T23:21:46 < qyx> O_o
2018-05-28T23:21:48 < qyx> I shoudl try
2018-05-28T23:21:54 < Cracki> I wonder... does it take more heat to burn a human than it sets free?
2018-05-28T23:22:08 < BrainDamage> yes, not hexothermic
2018-05-28T23:22:27 < Cracki> hm, how much... say coal... would you say does it take?
2018-05-28T23:22:33 < Aditya> qyx, so using for loops is an bad idea as I spend most of the time in checking stuff rather than doing sutff?
2018-05-28T23:22:41 < BrainDamage> I'd recommend using a strongly alkaline solution
2018-05-28T23:22:44 < Cracki> wat you people talk about for-loops?
2018-05-28T23:22:55 < Cracki> no, I'm specifically interested in cremation
2018-05-28T23:23:00 < Steffanx> Das war einmal, Cracki
2018-05-28T23:23:03 < fest> BrainDamage: is quinine concentration in tonic enough to work as scintillator?
2018-05-28T23:23:09 < Cracki> Es war einmal... Das Leben
2018-05-28T23:23:20 < Steffanx> Opel?
2018-05-28T23:23:28 < rcc> Aditya: if you need a for loop, you use a for loop
2018-05-28T23:23:30 < BrainDamage> fest: no idea, I'd assume not, the cross sectional area will be really small
2018-05-28T23:23:35 < Cracki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8xpXlZ-COg
2018-05-28T23:23:41 < rcc> and you need a for loop when you need to loop and check something
2018-05-28T23:23:52 < BrainDamage> you can buy polyethilene naphtalate scintillators for very cheap amounts
2018-05-28T23:24:01 < Aditya> okay rcc .
2018-05-28T23:24:02 < BrainDamage> at least, that's what i did to make a gamma spectrometer
2018-05-28T23:24:17 < Steffanx> I prefer real education from die Maus, Cracki
2018-05-28T23:24:23 < Steffanx> *der
2018-05-28T23:24:25 < Steffanx> or whatever
2018-05-28T23:24:27 < BrainDamage> you only need a single-photon counter with the usual multichannel detector
2018-05-28T23:24:48 < BrainDamage> ofc you real problem is gonna be a calibration source
2018-05-28T23:25:03 < Cracki> der die das, wer wie was, wieso weshalb warum, wer nicht fragt bleibt dumm
2018-05-28T23:25:24 < Steffanx> lol.
2018-05-28T23:25:37 < Cracki> if you people wanna do xray stuff, there's a niklas who bought some old "digipan" things and got them talking
2018-05-28T23:25:59 < Steffanx> Where can we meet niklas?
2018-05-28T23:26:00 < BrainDamage> i have a 1.5MeV linear particle accelerator
2018-05-28T23:26:17 < Cracki> he should be on hackint, but surely also here under some name
2018-05-28T23:26:25 < Cracki> ah, he's here too
2018-05-28T23:26:27 < Cracki> same nick
2018-05-28T23:26:52 < BrainDamage> unfortunately, the efficiency is too shit for my detector, i wanted to see positron pair production
2018-05-28T23:27:00 < rcc> BrainDamage, what do you use it for?
2018-05-28T23:27:23 < Cracki> https://hackaday.io/project/62710-taking-digital-xray-shots-for-cheap-300
2018-05-28T23:27:23 < BrainDamage> the original goals were a very shitty FEL
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2018-05-28T23:28:16 < BrainDamage> then downsized to antimatter production
2018-05-28T23:28:25 < BrainDamage> then downsized to a focused xray source
2018-05-28T23:28:31 < BrainDamage> at least the last one i can manage to
2018-05-28T23:29:41 < BrainDamage> i could prooooobably manage to get the pair production to work if i were to finish the 2nd stage using the 300W klystron i bought, but that'd involve a lot of time and motivation i lack atm
2018-05-28T23:29:52 < zyp> englishman, not as far as I know
2018-05-28T23:30:04 < BrainDamage> strong emphasis on the motivation, especially for something for the sake of it
2018-05-28T23:30:20 < zyp> englishman, I know there exists slower DC fast chargers though, like 20kW
2018-05-28T23:30:38 < Hamilton> In which register could I see the pending IRQs? for example if EXTI1 is pending, where can I see it?
2018-05-28T23:30:51 < zyp> englishman, but I've not encountered one
2018-05-28T23:31:59 < englishman> seems like a logical progression in charger complexity
2018-05-28T23:32:15 < englishman> for the home
2018-05-28T23:32:26 < englishman> niche market tho
2018-05-28T23:32:31 < zyp> nah, I don't think DC slow chargers would be useful
2018-05-28T23:32:49 < englishman> only for those that really want to baby their battery, i guess
2018-05-28T23:33:00 < englishman> as you could program it to end charge at 80% or so
2018-05-28T23:33:13 < zyp> IIRC there's already theoretically possible to have PLC comms while AC charging
2018-05-28T23:33:33 < zyp> as in, I believe the standards exists, but I'm not sure anybody implements it
2018-05-28T23:33:51 < zyp> can't you select how much to charge in the car?
2018-05-28T23:34:11 < zyp> I can set my car to only charge up to anywhere between 50% and 100%
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2018-05-28T23:35:09 < zyp> (where 100% means 100% of useable capacity, not actual, so there's already plenty of margin)
2018-05-28T23:36:11 < englishman> apparently this was an option on earlier leafs, but it was removed to comply with some US reg
2018-05-28T23:36:22 < zyp> weird
2018-05-28T23:36:25 < englishman> so i just get a end-charge timer
2018-05-28T23:36:26 < englishman> yes
2018-05-28T23:36:33 < englishman> something about max usable range wording
2018-05-28T23:36:44 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-05-28T23:36:45 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 20.6°C. Humidity: 84%.
2018-05-28T23:36:49 < zyp> but yeah, decent comms during AC charge would have been cool
2018-05-28T23:36:57 < englishman> i completely agree
2018-05-28T23:37:05 < englishman> i did not expect chargers to be so dumb
2018-05-28T23:37:29 < zyp> at least, I would have liked the charger to know the state of charge
2018-05-28T23:37:42 < zyp> would have been useful both for prioritizing and limits and anything
2018-05-28T23:38:18 < zyp> especially combined with scheduling wrt. varying electricity prices
2018-05-28T23:40:01 < englishman> but, i guess level 1/2 is not really charging equipment
2018-05-28T23:40:17 < englishman> yeah
2018-05-28T23:40:27 < zyp> like I said before, those levels pretty much means nothing to me :)
2018-05-28T23:40:37 < englishman> well, any AC charging equipment
2018-05-28T23:40:46 < zyp> are you familiar with modes?
2018-05-28T23:40:50 < englishman> which i guess is why EVSE is used
2018-05-28T23:40:56 < englishman> modes yes, after our chat the other day
2018-05-28T23:41:21 < englishman> level 1/2 is used to refer to 120v15A charging (level 1) or 240v15A or higher charging (level 2)
2018-05-28T23:41:53 < zyp> is it impossible to do something like 120V 30A?
2018-05-28T23:42:43 < englishman> i don't think that exists here
2018-05-28T23:43:09 < zyp> hehe
2018-05-28T23:43:10 < englishman> as it's much cheaper to run 240V15A for things that require that power
2018-05-28T23:43:24 < zyp> makes sense
2018-05-28T23:43:39 < zyp> why do you guys even run 120V for anything? :p
2018-05-28T23:44:14 < zyp> (legacy reasons, blah blah)
2018-05-28T23:44:20 < englishman> idk
2018-05-28T23:44:30 < englishman> in my old office i ran a bunch of 240V20A
2018-05-28T23:44:48 < stvn> :))
2018-05-28T23:45:04 < englishman> there are north american 15/20A plugs
2018-05-28T23:45:11 < englishman> that are available everywhere
2018-05-28T23:45:25 < stvn> I like American prug
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2018-05-28T23:53:30 < englishman> got a rfq from an EOD company
2018-05-28T23:53:39 < zyp> got any more TLAs?
2018-05-28T23:55:55 < englishman> tmi
2018-05-28T23:58:15 < rcc> ASL PLS
2018-05-28T23:58:44 < englishman> z. y. p.
2018-05-28T23:59:49 < stvn> https://www.clipsal.com/Trade/Products/ProductDetail?catno=56C540
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2018-05-29T00:00:08 < stvn> Can’t plug car into this
2018-05-29T00:00:23 < stvn> At least the forklift chargers enjoy it
2018-05-29T00:01:05 < rcc> how many of you have electric cars, besides zyp?
2018-05-29T00:01:29 < englishman> sure, just find a 480V 3⌀ charger
2018-05-29T00:01:34 < rcc> they're very uncommon here, even tho we have chargers at major stores
2018-05-29T00:01:50 < zyp> I think it's just me and englishman
2018-05-29T00:02:00 < englishman> i got one just a week ago, so i'm still enthralled
2018-05-29T00:02:09 < rcc> ah, neat
2018-05-29T00:02:21 < rcc> what car did you get?
2018-05-29T00:02:27 < englishman> leaf
2018-05-29T00:02:35 < zyp> rcc, what country are you in?
2018-05-29T00:02:41 < stvn> How many Canadian shekels
2018-05-29T00:02:42 < englishman> wooden shoes
2018-05-29T00:02:47 < stvn> Lol
2018-05-29T00:02:52 < rcc> zyp, Romania
2018-05-29T00:02:55 < zyp> ah
2018-05-29T00:03:10 < stvn> Steffan wears wooden shoes
2018-05-29T00:03:27 < rcc> zyp, we decided to infest ##stm32
2018-05-29T00:03:47 < zyp> :)
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2018-05-29T00:03:54  * rcc is jadew
2018-05-29T00:04:49 < rcc> englishman, looks nice, but not cheap enough
2018-05-29T00:05:22 < zyp> ah, haha
2018-05-29T00:05:24 < englishman> depends
2018-05-29T00:05:30 < englishman> too expensive for romanians
2018-05-29T00:05:41 < englishman> but, trabants are very expensive here
2018-05-29T00:05:45 < englishman> so you have that going for you
2018-05-29T00:05:48 < rcc> haha
2018-05-29T00:05:54 < zyp> haha
2018-05-29T00:06:03 < rcc> well, we're looking for a car too and for that money you can get a nice SUV
2018-05-29T00:06:23 < zyp> what does a secondhand leaf start at over there?
2018-05-29T00:07:09 < rcc> I like the idea of an electric car, but you just have to fork a bit more for the luxury
2018-05-29T00:07:13 < englishman> bought this one for 14k
2018-05-29T00:07:22 < rcc> oh, really?
2018-05-29T00:07:25 < zyp> 14k what? CAD? USD?
2018-05-29T00:07:31 < englishman> cad
2018-05-29T00:07:36 < rcc> damn, that's good then
2018-05-29T00:07:49 < rcc> the webiste says starting from 25k gbp
2018-05-29T00:07:55 < englishman> so saving $60/week not including the maintenance costs that i will no longer pay, it will be a free car in just a few years
2018-05-29T00:07:56 < rcc> https://www.nissan.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/leaf.html
2018-05-29T00:08:03 < englishman> this is a 2014
2018-05-29T00:08:18 < rcc> ah, neat, that's not bad at all
2018-05-29T00:08:25 < englishman> also power is 9c/kWh here
2018-05-29T00:08:51 < rcc> it's ~25 c here
2018-05-29T00:08:53 < rcc> USD
2018-05-29T00:09:15 < rcc> would still be worth it, I'm sure
2018-05-29T00:09:55 < englishman> depends on the cost of gas
2018-05-29T00:10:04 < rcc> gas is expensive
2018-05-29T00:10:20 < zyp> cheapest leaf listing I can find here now is 85k NOK, for a 2012
2018-05-29T00:10:58 < rcc> that's a bit too old
2018-05-29T00:11:08 < englishman> yes, 2014 and up have different batteries
2018-05-29T00:11:11 < englishman> that last MUCH longer
2018-05-29T00:11:24 < zyp> my wife paid 65k for the peugeot ion she bought some weeks ago
2018-05-29T00:11:29 < zyp> also 2012
2018-05-29T00:11:47 < rcc> also electric?
2018-05-29T00:12:00 < englishman> there was a 2012 i tried that had only 30k km, battery was down to 70%
2018-05-29T00:12:01 < zyp> peugeot ion, citroen c-zero and mitsubishi i-miev are all the same car
2018-05-29T00:12:09 < karlp> rcc: you really fucking don't hve to move it a file of it's own, you would know this very well if you'd actually tried it out.
2018-05-29T00:12:19 < zyp> rcc, yeah
2018-05-29T00:12:38 < rcc> karlp, try what?
2018-05-29T00:12:58 < rcc> karlp, ah, the loop?
2018-05-29T00:13:27 < rcc> I did try that loop before and you don't get consistent results all the time
2018-05-29T00:13:41 < zyp> my wife didn't specifically look for an electric car, but it just ended up being convenient
2018-05-29T00:14:42 < zyp> she doesn't drive that much, so the fuel savings wouldn't be that significant, and she wouldn't really make use of much of the extra benefits either, apart from saving like $3-400 for the annual fee
2018-05-29T00:15:29 < rcc> we spend about $150 on gas each month
2018-05-29T00:15:34 < rcc> that's like... the minimum
2018-05-29T00:15:47 < zyp> but on the other hand, her license is automatic only, and there weren't really many secondhand cars with automatic transmission that were much cheaper than the 65k NOK she paid
2018-05-29T00:16:10 < rcc> you have different licenses for automatic and manual?
2018-05-29T00:16:33 < rcc> it takes like... half an hour to get used to automatic
2018-05-29T00:16:51 < zyp> automatic isn't the problem, it's the other way around
2018-05-29T00:17:02 < zyp> if you take the test in a manual car, you can drive anything
2018-05-29T00:17:13 < rcc> yeah, but why even have that option
2018-05-29T00:17:19 < zyp> if you take the test in an automatic, you get a restriction that you can only drive automatics
2018-05-29T00:17:47 < rcc> I bet she could get used to a manual one too, fairly easily
2018-05-29T00:18:04 < stvn> In au you can go for a manual license, if you don’t you can only drive auto on your 3 year probation period
2018-05-29T00:18:50 < zyp> my wife got her license in jp, over there it's apparently really common to take the test in an automatic, almost nobody drives manual in jp
2018-05-29T00:19:06 < sync> good theft deterrent
2018-05-29T00:19:12 < stvn> I know a handful who ended up driving manual vans ‘illegally’
2018-05-29T00:19:14 < zyp> every single rental car in jp is automatic
2018-05-29T00:19:28 < stvn> Police rarely pull over work cars
2018-05-29T00:19:30 < rcc> well, I guess that soon all cars will be automatic, given that we're making the transition to electric
2018-05-29T00:19:40 < zyp> and since we have the same restriction in norway, it followed when she converted to a norwegian license
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2018-05-29T00:19:50 < zyp> yeah
2018-05-29T00:20:02 < zyp> even hybrids are pretty much all automatic
2018-05-29T00:20:03 < sync> we'll see
2018-05-29T00:20:16 < stvn> Good morning Laurenceb
2018-05-29T00:20:32 < sync> manuals are still significantly more robust
2018-05-29T00:20:33 < Laurenceb_> sup mr trollzor
2018-05-29T00:20:50 < stvn> Welcome to stm32 ontopic chat mate
2018-05-29T00:20:55 < Laurenceb_> ikr
2018-05-29T00:21:07 < Laurenceb_> what a day of internet dramaz
2018-05-29T00:21:10 < stvn> Now do you drive a stick mate?
2018-05-29T00:21:13 < rcc> sync, yeah, but everyone in our family is recommending us to go for automatic, because "it's just great"
2018-05-29T00:21:14 < Laurenceb_> yes
2018-05-29T00:21:25 < sync> meh
2018-05-29T00:21:27 < rcc> (that coming from people who have been driving manual cars all their lives)
2018-05-29T00:21:29 < Laurenceb_> autism but no automaticism
2018-05-29T00:21:38 < sync> the van I drive does not work with an automagic
2018-05-29T00:21:51 < sync> the engine would just spin through the lockup clutch
2018-05-29T00:22:02 < stvn> Yeah the Manual vs auto reliability debate is well over
2018-05-29T00:22:09 < sync> no, it is not
2018-05-29T00:22:21 < sync> lots of DSGs and the like are failing
2018-05-29T00:22:22 < Laurenceb_> automatic is rage inducing
2018-05-29T00:22:30 < Laurenceb_> with manual I never have to use the brakes
2018-05-29T00:22:35 < sync> ZF 10 speeds also do not last
2018-05-29T00:22:52 < rcc> I don't know what those are
2018-05-29T00:22:55 < stvn> Laurenceb_: I do enjoy manual for that reason too
2018-05-29T00:23:13 < rcc> but I also heard that they're much more reliable than they used to be when they got the bad name
2018-05-29T00:23:20 < sync> dsg = VAGs double clutch gearbox
2018-05-29T00:23:33 < Laurenceb_>  /pol/ has turned on Drumpf
2018-05-29T00:23:38 < sync> the other thing is a 10 speed automatic made by zf
2018-05-29T00:23:41 < Laurenceb_> what a time to be alive
2018-05-29T00:23:42 < sync> which is nice when it works
2018-05-29T00:23:48 < sync> but it doesn't
2018-05-29T00:23:56 < sync> especially when paired with 300hp+
2018-05-29T00:24:14 < Laurenceb_> http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114311.jpg
2018-05-29T00:24:15 < stvn> I’ve never had auto issues or known anyone with auto issues
2018-05-29T00:24:33 < sync> old slushbox autos are pretty indestructable
2018-05-29T00:24:40 < sync> but nobody wants those anymore
2018-05-29T00:24:45 < Laurenceb_> lul only just noticed the shoe
2018-05-29T00:24:50 < Laurenceb_> slushbox?
2018-05-29T00:25:03 < sync> torqueconverter
2018-05-29T00:25:12 < Laurenceb_> ah
2018-05-29T00:25:25 < sync> especially without lockup clutch
2018-05-29T00:25:27 < stvn> The fluid coupling of sorts
2018-05-29T00:25:31 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2018-05-29T00:25:57 < stvn> When I read about torque converter I was like wow that’s kinda interesting
2018-05-29T00:26:06 < sync> tq converters are awesome
2018-05-29T00:26:13 < sync> but not in an automotive application
2018-05-29T00:27:44 < sync> and some boxes are still slow, at least I cannot stand the nikolas august otto commemorative second when they shift
2018-05-29T00:27:52 < BrainDamage> i enjoy manual because i drive like an asshole
2018-05-29T00:28:26 < BrainDamage> when entering i curve i kick in the lower gear in hoe heel downshift just for the sake of terrifying any passenger i have
2018-05-29T00:28:38 < BrainDamage> toe heel, but i guess hoe works too
2018-05-29T00:29:27 < rcc> you'll always miss some things when moving to something better
2018-05-29T00:29:56 < BrainDamage> now you're contradicting yourself because it wouldn't be 'better', just relatively 'better'
2018-05-29T00:30:18 < BrainDamage> generally the colloquial definition of better means a whole superset
2018-05-29T00:30:25 < rcc> for example: I miss how I was able to take turns during the winter in my rear wheel drive car
2018-05-29T00:30:37 < rcc> but the front wheel drive one is safer
2018-05-29T00:30:53 < BrainDamage> i just pull the handbrake with a FD vehicle
2018-05-29T00:30:58 < rcc> it's not the same
2018-05-29T00:31:02 < rcc> I do that too
2018-05-29T00:31:02 < sync> wut
2018-05-29T00:31:20 < zyp> Laurenceb_, with electric I never have to use the brakes either
2018-05-29T00:31:25 < sync> the drivetrain layout doesn't make a vehicle "safer"
2018-05-29T00:31:38 < Steffanx> does Laurenceb_ even drive? I remember  story about a drivers license.
2018-05-29T00:31:40 < BrainDamage> the tendency to understeer suits more the average driving style
2018-05-29T00:31:48 < Steffanx> and the theory exam
2018-05-29T00:31:51 < BrainDamage> so yes, it does make it 'safer'
2018-05-29T00:31:55 < sync> BrainDamage: that is just suspension tuning
2018-05-29T00:32:01 < sync> I got my eurovan to oversteer
2018-05-29T00:32:34 < sync> or rather than "just" more like, mostly
2018-05-29T00:33:42 < sync> when you enter the corner the weight transfer makes the rear light which makes it easy for a rwd vehicle to dorifto, but you can inertia dorifto the same way with a fwd car
2018-05-29T00:33:44 < mawk> I have a LCD 16×2 screen, this thing: https://www.openhacks.com/uploadsproductos/eone-1602a1.pdf
2018-05-29T00:34:10 < mawk> looking at the timing diagrams, data on the DB[0-7] lines only stay up for 50 ns, when I request a register read
2018-05-29T00:34:23 < mawk> that seems a bit short for my stm32 to have the time to read
2018-05-29T00:35:05 < BrainDamage> sync: it's considerably harder considering the power application point vs the trajectory, it's still possible, but it takes intentional effort in trajectory and actions
2018-05-29T00:35:14 < mawk> if I use an ISR to detect rising edges on the data lines will it work ?
2018-05-29T00:35:27 < rcc> sync, you simply get less surprises with a fwd car
2018-05-29T00:36:08 < sync> BrainDamage: if you apply power too early you just understeer like mad
2018-05-29T00:36:11 < zyp> sync, by the way, you're german, right? you wouldn't happen to know which fast charge networks in germany are worth caring about?
2018-05-29T00:36:30 < rcc> it takes time to learn to drive a rwd car without getting caught by surprise
2018-05-29T00:36:48 < sync> zyp: well, people tell me to look at one of the map providers
2018-05-29T00:36:53 < sync> but it seems like it is a pain
2018-05-29T00:36:55 < BrainDamage> sync: no, it's a simple physics consequence, at any point of a curve where you maintain traction the power train in a rwd always points the normal while in a fwd it points the tangent
2018-05-29T00:37:12 < BrainDamage> that's regardless of when you apply the actual power
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2018-05-29T00:37:27 < sync> no, when you coast into a corner there is no difference
2018-05-29T00:37:37 < Steffanx> What made you think that mawk? It should keep the data on the D0-7 until while the enable is high.
2018-05-29T00:37:41 < zyp> sync, I've tried looking, seems like there's a bunch of providers and I'm not sure which are worth caring about
2018-05-29T00:37:43 < BrainDamage> that's not applying power, therefore making the traction irrelevant
2018-05-29T00:37:50 < sync> no
2018-05-29T00:37:57 < sync> your cornering still requires traction
2018-05-29T00:38:23 < zyp> over here, there's basically only two companies worth considering
2018-05-29T00:38:30 < sync> yeah, no such thing here
2018-05-29T00:38:43 < zyp> between them, they cover pretty much the entire country except the far north
2018-05-29T00:38:51 < BrainDamage> ok, then I'll concede in the case of perfectly matching the cornering speed there's no difference, but that's a very narrow case
2018-05-29T00:38:57 < zyp> hmm, okay
2018-05-29T00:39:13 < zyp> I'm planning on taking my car to .de this summer, so I'll have to figure it out :p
2018-05-29T00:39:14 < mawk> I'm reading data from the display Steffanx , not writing
2018-05-29T00:39:22 < mawk> https://pix.watch/s12ccG/vLPXRP.png
2018-05-29T00:39:33 < sync> well BrainDamage it is like that under braking
2018-05-29T00:39:37 < sync> after the apex, I agree
2018-05-29T00:40:02 < mawk> according to this the data on DB[0-7] stays valid for t_PW - t_DDR + t_H = 50 ns
2018-05-29T00:40:04 < zyp> .nl looks a lot easier
2018-05-29T00:40:08 < Steffanx> Yes, mawk. You make enabe high, the lcd setups the data after x time and then you can read the data.
2018-05-29T00:40:12 < sync> but you usually do not get oversteer after the apex unless you apply too much power
2018-05-29T00:40:16 < zyp> seems like fastned.nl got the entire .nl covered plenty
2018-05-29T00:40:17 < Steffanx> then you can make enable low again
2018-05-29T00:40:25 < mawk> ah
2018-05-29T00:40:27 < sync> more critical is the transistion from power to brake
2018-05-29T00:40:27 < zyp> so I'm gonna go say hi to Steffanx too
2018-05-29T00:40:31 < mawk> so t_PW is the minimal value ?
2018-05-29T00:40:34 < mawk> I see
2018-05-29T00:40:36 < sync> when the dynamic weight transfer gets the ass light
2018-05-29T00:40:40 < mawk> thanks
2018-05-29T00:40:54 < Steffanx> i wouldnt even know where to find such station in this region zyp.
2018-05-29T00:41:09 < sync> rcc: my first car was an E30, I was really suprised when FWD cars would just understeer into corners
2018-05-29T00:41:15 < zyp> Steffanx, closest one to you is apparently «A28 Groningen – Assen HMP 193
2018-05-29T00:41:16 < sync> and there is not much you can do
2018-05-29T00:41:20 < zyp> wherever that is
2018-05-29T00:41:37 < BrainDamage> but you're making a specific behaviour for driving, rather than the mix of driving styles, most of them not necessarily optimal
2018-05-29T00:41:50 < Steffanx> A28 Groningen – Assen HMP 193, traffic jam paradise :P
2018-05-29T00:41:51 < BrainDamage> making a case*
2018-05-29T00:41:57 < zyp> haha
2018-05-29T00:42:05 < BrainDamage> which was the general argument for FWD
2018-05-29T00:42:27 < zyp> Steffanx, well, seems to be plenty coverage all around: https://fastned.nl/en/locations
2018-05-29T00:42:45 < sync> BrainDamage: driving at the performance limit, obviously
2018-05-29T00:42:53 < sync> not driving there there is not much difference
2018-05-29T00:43:14 < Steffanx> oh that one you mention is pretty close indeed
2018-05-29T00:43:18 < sync> the esc will not allow you to dorifto in newer rwd cars
2018-05-29T00:43:26 < sync> so eh
2018-05-29T00:43:31 < BrainDamage> most average people's driving is not at the performance limit until external causes kick in, such as horrible road conditions
2018-05-29T00:44:13 < BrainDamage> or other drivers
2018-05-29T00:44:19 < sync> yes but then they would understeer off the road anyway
2018-05-29T00:44:42 < BrainDamage> I'm not sure how you'd come to that conclusion
2018-05-29T00:45:03 < sync> well, the most usual crash is wet/icy road and people not making a turn
2018-05-29T00:45:11 < sync> and the drivetrain layout doesn't make a difference there
2018-05-29T00:45:29 < Steffanx> mawk:  Yes, you should read the left column as minimum, right is probably maximum. And he middle one is typical.
2018-05-29T00:45:52 < rcc> the biggest problem I experienced when I was new to RWD was that in some circumstances, the back of the car would slide to one side when I would start moving
2018-05-29T00:46:00 < rcc> basically pointing the car in a different direction
2018-05-29T00:46:09 < sync> and all cars are setup to be understeering so people do not spin them as easily when they have high steering input
2018-05-29T00:46:20 < rcc> also, something that was extremely weird and you don't expect happening (I really don't understand why that happened)
2018-05-29T00:46:39 < rcc> was that it drifted on icy snow when I used the engine break
2018-05-29T00:46:44 < zyp> the peugeot ion is rwd, I'm kinda looking forward to try that in the snow next winter
2018-05-29T00:46:49 < Steffanx> Was it in your F1 car, rcc? :P
2018-05-29T00:47:04 < rcc> Steffanx, :) no, I had an E46
2018-05-29T00:47:05 < zyp> my egolf is not as fun in the snow as my old volvo was :p
2018-05-29T00:47:10 < rcc> great car
2018-05-29T00:47:18 < sync> well, in an fwd car without torque management you will also slide
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2018-05-29T00:47:33 < sync> just without any control over the direction
2018-05-29T00:47:50 < rcc> sync, yeah, I assumed it was a bug in the ESP or something
2018-05-29T00:47:53 < BrainDamage> I'm a bit partial to 4WD ...
2018-05-29T00:48:14 < karlp> I loved my subaru outback. handled so nicely.
2018-05-29T00:48:19 < BrainDamage> fuck all the problems, the power train effect aligns perfectly to my instinct
2018-05-29T00:48:25 < sync> well the DSC should have cut power enough for you not to slide
2018-05-29T00:48:54 < sync> BrainDamage: if the car does not have the power to do four wheel slides it can get annoying if you are used to the same power in a rwd car
2018-05-29T00:49:09 < sync> also subaru has really annoying transmissions
2018-05-29T00:49:09 < BrainDamage> hence why 'fuck all the problems'
2018-05-29T00:49:13 < mawk> Steffanx: yeah I was looking for the table header but didn't found any, so I assumed they all meant =
2018-05-29T00:49:36 < BrainDamage> i know it doesn't come for free, but it really aligns well with my driving style
2018-05-29T00:49:47 < BrainDamage> i get a really good instinct when to apply the gas
2018-05-29T00:50:02 < rcc> never drove a 4WD
2018-05-29T00:50:36 < BrainDamage> then again i make a point of trying to redline every engine i can get my hands on ...
2018-05-29T00:50:55 < BrainDamage> ( and i don't cheat with low gears )
2018-05-29T00:50:57  * rcc makes note not to lend the car to BrainDamage
2018-05-29T00:51:44 < sync> pfft
2018-05-29T00:51:57 < sync> I currently rev my old 2.5 tdi to over 5krpm
2018-05-29T00:52:08 < sync> when it would only do 4500 stock
2018-05-29T00:52:31 < rcc> you modified it?
2018-05-29T00:52:36 < BrainDamage> i cba to mess with the engines
2018-05-29T00:52:48 < BrainDamage> it seems to me a lot of efforts for only marginal gains
2018-05-29T00:52:56 < sync> well, I only did softwarez
2018-05-29T00:53:05 < stvn> I put a thorium battery in my car
2018-05-29T00:53:11 < sync> and additional ~40kW is not too bad
2018-05-29T00:53:18 < stvn> It uses lasers 😂
2018-05-29T00:53:46 < rcc> I noticed our car has better torque when in auto-pilot mode (if you can call it that) than if you control it via the gas pedal
2018-05-29T00:53:46 < Steffanx> Is Mercedes that fancy stvn?
2018-05-29T00:54:05 < BrainDamage> there's actually some prototype spark plugs that use lazors
2018-05-29T00:54:12 < sync> BrainDamage: it makes a difference if you can only go 160kmh or 185
2018-05-29T00:54:16 < BrainDamage> for more uniform ignition trough the chamber
2018-05-29T00:54:19 < rcc> so I'm sure you can get a lot from a software mod
2018-05-29T00:54:28 < rcc> maybe 20 hp or more
2018-05-29T00:55:00 < BrainDamage> the way i see is effort vs % of benefit
2018-05-29T00:55:14 < rcc> you don't have to do it yourself
2018-05-29T00:55:20 < BrainDamage> downloading a new ecu firmware and gaining say 10% would be ok
2018-05-29T00:55:31 < rcc> I think that's what they do
2018-05-29T00:55:31 < BrainDamage> but manually tweaking params for few params, fuck no
2018-05-29T00:55:38 < stvn> Steffanx: Yeah if I gots $100,000+ sure is fancy
2018-05-29T00:55:44 < BrainDamage> or few %*
2018-05-29T00:56:16 < sync> BrainDamage: it is actually not that bad
2018-05-29T00:56:19 < stvn> But so much more better way to spend money
2018-05-29T00:56:37 < stvn> I could buy a pick and place, oven and a Chinese slave
2018-05-29T00:57:45 < rcc> stvn, you can get that for much less
2018-05-29T01:00:18 < Steffanx> Id hire a canadian
2018-05-29T01:02:11 < stvn> I didn’t mention all the drugs that go up the nose
2018-05-29T01:03:48 < kakimir> are you talking about straya
2018-05-29T01:04:05 < BrainDamage> yes, they snort beer
2018-05-29T01:04:15 < stvn> ^
2018-05-29T01:04:31 < kakimir> and cocaine when they run out of beer
2018-05-29T01:04:32 < Steffanx> Victoria Bitter. 
2018-05-29T01:04:43 < Steffanx> Best beer
2018-05-29T01:06:12 < stvn> Winnie blues mate
2018-05-29T01:06:41 < stvn> 🚭
2018-05-29T01:06:57 < sync> BrainDamage: you don't have to go full autism like me and change the turbo + injectors + oem level software edits but eh, it is fun
2018-05-29T01:10:50 < rcc> https://i.imgur.com/Ui17au6.jpg
2018-05-29T01:11:15 < stvn> I went full autism
2018-05-29T01:11:36 < stvn> Ty rcc
2018-05-29T01:15:33 < Laurenceb_> le autismo
2018-05-29T01:16:21 < Laurenceb_> http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114312.png
2018-05-29T01:16:31 < Laurenceb_> >ur named after a traitor
2018-05-29T01:16:35 < Laurenceb_> my sides are orbital
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2018-05-29T01:19:59 < rcc> Laurenceb_, I'm new here, but do you normally post stuff noone else understands?
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2018-05-29T01:20:04 < rcc> nooo
2018-05-29T01:20:30 < zyp> yeah, he does
2018-05-29T01:20:44 < rcc> my joke would have been much better
2018-05-29T01:20:52 < rcc> if he got to read it
2018-05-29T01:20:56 < zyp> shame
2018-05-29T01:21:04 < zyp> you should have been faster
2018-05-29T01:21:15 < rcc> I rewrote it a couple of times
2018-05-29T01:22:37 < stvn> lol
2018-05-29T01:22:58 < stvn> The blaxter boot
2018-05-29T01:23:18 < zyp> kicked him in his sides, you can say
2018-05-29T01:23:27 < rcc> haha
2018-05-29T01:23:30 < stvn> indeed
2018-05-29T01:24:03 < rcc> ok, time for work
2018-05-29T01:24:20 < stvn> Same :(
2018-05-29T01:24:40 < zyp> time to sleep
2018-05-29T01:24:47 < aandrew> rcc: lol it's like the pied piper but for cats
2018-05-29T01:25:19 < rcc> aandrew, that's exactly what I thought of
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2018-05-29T01:31:31 < Cracki> how's the babby shakkin business
2018-05-29T01:34:51 < Laurenceb_> shakking
2018-05-29T01:34:57 < Laurenceb_> bank holiday in uk
2018-05-29T01:35:08 < Laurenceb_> have to stay at home and fap
2018-05-29T01:35:42 < rcc> what's a bank holiday?
2018-05-29T01:36:02 < Laurenceb_> designated fappin day
2018-05-29T01:36:04 < rcc> we have a holiday here too, but it's a christian holiday
2018-05-29T01:36:12 < rcc> Laurenceb_, makes sense
2018-05-29T01:41:14 < Cracki> abuse the shakker
2018-05-29T01:42:41 < Cracki> oh that continuous noninvasive BP stuff was fun. a control loop to push against blood pressure...
2018-05-29T01:46:55 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should look on pubmed and work out whats really going on
2018-05-29T01:47:03 < Laurenceb_> but that would result in epin rage
2018-05-29T01:47:26 < rcc> aren't you getting paid by the hour?
2018-05-29T01:47:39 < BrainDamage> he's paid by the amount of veins burst
2018-05-29T01:47:53 < rcc> hah, that's dark
2018-05-29T01:48:37 < Laurenceb_> rcc: I'm paid on delivered "milestones"
2018-05-29T01:48:47 < Laurenceb_> muh Gannt chart
2018-05-29T01:48:56 < Laurenceb_> *Gantt 
2018-05-29T01:49:23 < rcc> ah, so you're following a roadmap, regardless of where logic takes you?
2018-05-29T01:49:29 < rcc> *would take you
2018-05-29T01:49:54 < rcc> smart way of spending 4 mil - is that how much it was?
2018-05-29T01:49:59 < Cracki> I'd get some medical dude to take a look, second opinion.
2018-05-29T01:50:08 < Laurenceb_> rcc: yeah
2018-05-29T01:50:25 < Laurenceb_> we have a problem atm: we are underspending
2018-05-29T01:50:29 < Cracki> lol
2018-05-29T01:50:33 < rcc> oh noes
2018-05-29T01:50:35 < rcc> hire me!
2018-05-29T01:50:37 < Laurenceb_> its actually not possible to blow that much cash on bullshit
2018-05-29T01:50:46 < rcc> I can sell you bullshit services
2018-05-29T01:50:49 < Cracki> you're so unimaginative
2018-05-29T01:50:52 < rcc> anything you want
2018-05-29T01:51:00 < rcc> and I need new lab equipment in order to that
2018-05-29T01:51:09 < rcc> I can charge that against your account
2018-05-29T01:51:09 < Laurenceb_> heh the number of staff is strickly controlled
2018-05-29T01:51:20 < Laurenceb_> I suggested a vehicle size shakker
2018-05-29T01:51:21 < Cracki> buy an amberlamp and drive pitbull puppies around
2018-05-29T01:51:21 < rcc> I'm not staff, I'm services :P
2018-05-29T01:51:27 < Cracki> nobody's gonna cry over pitbulls
2018-05-29T01:51:32 < Laurenceb_> but then shakergate happened
2018-05-29T01:51:50 < Cracki> shakergate, where... 17 seconds of tape recording went missing?
2018-05-29T01:52:06 < Cracki> oh, 18.5 minutes
2018-05-29T01:52:11 < Laurenceb_> I was accused of deliberately breaking the 17k shaker
2018-05-29T01:52:17 < Laurenceb_> *ukp17k
2018-05-29T01:52:42  * Cracki thinks about crumpets
2018-05-29T01:55:59 < Laurenceb_> http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114316.jpg
2018-05-29T01:56:24 < Cracki> Hans, hol' den Flammenwerfer
2018-05-29T01:58:43 < rcc> lol Laurenceb_ 
2018-05-29T01:59:28 < rcc> how that is more dutch than english, I don't know
2018-05-29T02:00:58 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCGbdgm0B_Q
2018-05-29T02:01:13 < rcc> what's the title of that video?
2018-05-29T02:01:44 < Cracki> vulva dentata?
2018-05-29T02:02:08 < rcc> vagina with teeth?
2018-05-29T02:02:18 < Laurenceb_> cant fap to this
2018-05-29T02:02:26 < Cracki> ah it was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagina_dentata
2018-05-29T02:02:32 < Cracki> you need to switch to blokes
2018-05-29T02:02:35 < Cracki> it's manlier
2018-05-29T02:03:01 < Cracki> oooh that chastity belt is nasty
2018-05-29T02:03:20 < BrainDamage> that tumor is scarier
2018-05-29T02:03:50  * Cracki notices your nick
2018-05-29T02:04:23 < rcc> there are lots of shitty links on that wiki page
2018-05-29T02:04:28 < rcc> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emasculation
2018-05-29T02:04:59 < Laurenceb_> I'm not clicking that shit
2018-05-29T02:05:06 < rcc> haha
2018-05-29T02:05:06 < Laurenceb_> http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114317.jpeg
2018-05-29T02:06:24 < kakimir> can't open your cancer
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2018-05-29T02:06:34 < kakimir> my browser actually says that
2018-05-29T02:06:48 < rcc> pretty sure that if you open 10 Laurenceb_ links you're banned from the UK
2018-05-29T02:06:58 < Laurenceb_> kek
2018-05-29T02:10:31 < Laurenceb_> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/27/knives-sharp-filing-solution-soaring-violent-crime-judge-says/
2018-05-29T02:12:04 < BrainDamage> >“Butchers and fishmongers do, but how often, if at all, does a domestic chef use the point of an eight-inch or ten-inch knife? Rarely, if at all."
2018-05-29T02:12:20 < BrainDamage> perpetuating the stereotype that british people can't cook
2018-05-29T02:13:06 < Laurenceb_> heh
2018-05-29T02:13:17 < rcc> this is going to be known as the english knife: https://assets.katomcdn.com/q_auto,f_auto/products/192/192-941254/192-941254.jpg
2018-05-29T02:13:27 < Laurenceb_> my farnell order got rejected as I included some scalpel blades
2018-05-29T02:14:01 < rcc> Laurenceb_, probably also because you're from the UK and because you're you
2018-05-29T02:14:09 < Laurenceb_> exactly
2018-05-29T02:14:34 < rcc> they did a quick search through your google history and went "nope"
2018-05-29T02:14:34 < Laurenceb_> I have to verify my account or something
2018-05-29T02:18:05 < rcc> they've started limiting various substances for shipping to Romania
2018-05-29T02:18:15 < Cracki> you tea sippers need to get your government on a leash
2018-05-29T02:18:16 < rcc> crap I can easily buy from local shops
2018-05-29T02:18:34 < BrainDamage> well, this piece of shit is finally working https://imgur.com/a/dtTnW8l
2018-05-29T02:19:06 < Cracki> what is it? looks spiky
2018-05-29T02:19:21 < rcc> lines
2018-05-29T02:19:46 < Cracki> i remember something about noisy data
2018-05-29T02:19:54 < mawk> Steffanx: with the same device, there is some circuit graphics in the spreadsheet: https://pix.watch/U37KzK/QeWRWF.png
2018-05-29T02:19:58 < mawk> with not much info
2018-05-29T02:20:12 < mawk> according to this, V_0 should be between 0V and 5V right ?
2018-05-29T02:20:30 < Cracki> looks like it
2018-05-29T02:20:37 < BrainDamage> filtering out muscle noise from ECG
2018-05-29T02:20:41 < Cracki> ic
2018-05-29T02:20:57 < Cracki> can you see the spike trains that control the muscles?
2018-05-29T02:20:59 < BrainDamage> the green piece of shit is the input
2018-05-29T02:21:24 < rcc> BrainDamage, how do you record muscle noise?
2018-05-29T02:21:32 < rcc> (separately)
2018-05-29T02:21:39 < Cracki> muscle "noise" would be spike trains
2018-05-29T02:21:41 < BrainDamage> i don't, you get both
2018-05-29T02:21:54 < Cracki> you can filter those out. brain waves are wavier, not spiky
2018-05-29T02:22:02 < rcc> do you post process it after you've taken the whole capture?
2018-05-29T02:22:07 < BrainDamage> yes
2018-05-29T02:22:16 < rcc> so FFT and then IFFT?
2018-05-29T02:22:37 < BrainDamage> that would do nothing, it's what you do inbetween that's critical
2018-05-29T02:22:42 < Cracki> I worked for someone who did muscle tone stuff too, but they didn't look at spike trains, they just rectified and lowpassed the signal
2018-05-29T02:22:43 < rcc> yeah
2018-05-29T02:22:48 < mawk> why is the resistance specified then ? shouldn't that not matter with a potentiometer not in the variable resistance wiring ?
2018-05-29T02:22:56 < mawk> 0-20 kohm
2018-05-29T02:23:01 < rcc> but can't the heart behave as the noise does? (same frequency and all)?
2018-05-29T02:23:06 < Cracki> mawk, it does not matter, that's right.
2018-05-29T02:23:29 < Cracki> they probably just specified that for the heck of it. also the input might suck a little on the wire, so a bit of current should be able to flow
2018-05-29T02:23:45 < Cracki> rcc, the heart is a different kind of muscle
2018-05-29T02:23:55 < BrainDamage> yes it can
2018-05-29T02:24:12 < BrainDamage> shivers will give similar patterns and cannot be distinguished
2018-05-29T02:24:38 < BrainDamage> I can't do crap in that case
2018-05-29T02:25:03 < rcc> you could check for the existence of regular data
2018-05-29T02:25:30 < rcc> but then if that data stops being detected, the noise gets introduced in the measurement and the operator could misinterpret it
2018-05-29T02:25:49 < rcc> *in the displayed measurement
2018-05-29T02:26:14 < BrainDamage> I already do machine analysis on the data and if it's too noisy i discard it
2018-05-29T02:26:16 < Cracki> just so I'm clear... muscle noise from pecs, back muscles, whatever's between ribs, right?
2018-05-29T02:26:42 < Cracki> electric potential from the heart shouldn't be spiky
2018-05-29T02:26:52 < BrainDamage> o_O what
2018-05-29T02:27:07 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SinusRhythmLabels.svg
2018-05-29T02:27:10 < BrainDamage> R wave hello
2018-05-29T02:27:11 < Cracki> 1 hz
2018-05-29T02:27:19 < BrainDamage> u wot
2018-05-29T02:27:35 < Cracki> spike trains to drive muscles are a lot faster
2018-05-29T02:27:37 < BrainDamage> those vertical spikes are R waves, the spectral components go all the way to 100Hz
2018-05-29T02:27:42 < Cracki> so it seems you don't mean what I thougt
2018-05-29T02:27:47 < rcc> if you knew which muscles are the biggest issue, you could consider turning them off for the measurement :)
2018-05-29T02:27:48 < Cracki> ah your time scale is shit :P
2018-05-29T02:28:43 < rcc> small DC through the muscle to get it into a fixed state, then take measurement
2018-05-29T02:29:02 < Cracki> just stick a fork in them, you're done
2018-05-29T02:29:08 < BrainDamage> might as well throw a bit phenol to the heart
2018-05-29T02:33:35 < BrainDamage> Cracki: the high frequency noise is easy to filter, it's the low frequency component that's hard to remove
2018-05-29T02:33:40 < englishman> Alan Bean died :(
2018-05-29T02:35:11 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: what sort of filtering are u using?
2018-05-29T02:35:16 < rcc> BrainDamage, because it's also what you're looking for, no?
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2018-05-29T02:45:03 < Laurenceb_> attn stvn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRX-JDAB5oA
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2018-05-29T03:09:36 < Laurenceb_> oh wow http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114320.png
2018-05-29T03:10:24 < Laurenceb_> V mask guy fans on suicide watch
2018-05-29T03:17:19 < R0b0t1> Cracki: For driving muscles you can just use HVDC, but the TENS units and such are driven with cheap flybacks
2018-05-29T03:17:21 < R0b0t1> Though
2018-05-29T03:17:45 < R0b0t1> I did mess with a flyback and was able to get better skin penetration with certain frequencies, but those were probably tuned to the transformer I was using
2018-05-29T03:32:23 < Laurenceb_> ur mom http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114321.png
2018-05-29T03:33:26 < Laurenceb_> when u see it you'll shit bricks
2018-05-29T03:35:53 < mawk> why would I use an optocoupler when I can use a transistor ?
2018-05-29T03:36:16 < Laurenceb_> wut
2018-05-29T03:36:25 < Laurenceb_> obvious bait post is obvious
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2018-05-29T03:44:04 < dongs> < Hamilton> https://hackaday.com/2015/12/09/embed-with-elliot-debounce-your-noisy-buttons-part-i/ stopped reading when i saw that retard put a delay(5) inside button press ISR
2018-05-29T03:46:16 < Laurenceb_> tfw read that as Elliot Rogers
2018-05-29T03:46:32 < Laurenceb_> embed bullets with Elliot
2018-05-29T03:47:06 < Laurenceb_> why is that a problem...
2018-05-29T03:47:14 < Laurenceb_> >set flag from isr
2018-05-29T03:47:30 < Laurenceb_> >run some counting logic from timekeeping isr at 100hz or whatever
2018-05-29T03:48:25 < dongs> or just sample buttons in systick and have a simple button state for down/up/long press
2018-05-29T03:49:09 < Laurenceb_> yeah
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2018-05-29T03:56:09 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/engineering/need-simple-analog-circuit-for/
2018-05-29T03:56:11 < dongs> > no bids from india
2018-05-29T03:56:15 < dongs> > project owner is from india
2018-05-29T03:56:18 < dongs> ?????
2018-05-29T03:57:44 < BrainDamage> probably direct experience tells him to avoid
2018-05-29T03:59:22 < dongs> Make a linear audiophile power supply for both Powerline and DAC, independent and isolated. I also need 12v 1A, 2 channels. Make the toroid oversized 3x to 5x, Line regulation, 2% no load to full load
2018-05-29T04:00:33 < dongs> ahahahah this tool wants to use a DAC that was EOL'd in 1991
2018-05-29T04:00:35 < dongs> beacuse audiophile
2018-05-29T04:00:38 < dongs> TDA1543 shit
2018-05-29T04:00:52 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/linux/Embedded-Port-Linux-Build-Prototype/
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2018-05-29T04:07:06 < Laurenceb_> wut its not even high spec
2018-05-29T04:07:13 < Laurenceb_> 16bit 2 channel
2018-05-29T04:07:34 < dongs> its some ancient garbage
2018-05-29T04:07:36 < dongs> that japs wank over
2018-05-29T04:08:01 < dongs> http://blog.livedoor.jp/ekousaku/archives/5339855.html
2018-05-29T04:09:02 < dongs> http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/ekousaku/imgs/5/4/5454400b.png lol @lm317s
2018-05-29T04:09:18 < Laurenceb_> lul its elm chan tier protoboard
2018-05-29T04:09:24 < dongs> yeah he
2018-05-29T04:09:26 < dongs> h
2018-05-29T04:09:55 < dongs> apparently in this context, NOS doesn't mean new old stock
2018-05-29T04:09:58 < dongs> but NON OVER SAMPLING
2018-05-29T04:10:02 < dongs> (DAC)
2018-05-29T04:10:15 < dongs> http://www.sakurasystems.com/reference/gemini.html then there's ths
2018-05-29T04:10:19 < dongs> MSRP US$4,500.00
2018-05-29T04:10:41 < dongs> inside: LM317 and a pair of those shitty EOLDACs
2018-05-29T04:11:03 < dongs> the use of the digital filter can cause smearing in the time domain
2018-05-29T04:11:04 < dongs> guys
2018-05-29T04:11:07 < dongs> this is it
2018-05-29T04:11:22 < dongs> time travel being invented by audiophiles
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2018-05-29T10:04:52 < kakimir> I wonder why there is "nop" used after writing to start condition clear bits
2018-05-29T10:05:03 < kakimir> in lpc1111
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2018-05-29T10:09:11 < stvn> Audiophile
2018-05-29T10:09:50 < stvn> Such an inviting word
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2018-05-29T10:10:30 < kakimir> the most expensive mental ilness
2018-05-29T10:11:52 < stvn> There has to be worse
2018-05-29T10:17:35 < PeterM> retarduino?
2018-05-29T10:18:42 < Haohmaru> hi-dpi-phile?
2018-05-29T10:20:44 < Steffanx> Biased?
2018-05-29T10:38:42 < stvn> Hi sir
2018-05-29T10:41:37 < Steffanx> Lo
2018-05-29T10:42:49 < Haohmaru> mid
2018-05-29T10:42:51 < stvn> What is the latest word?
2018-05-29T10:43:25 < qyx> hiZ
2018-05-29T10:43:26 < kakimir> Steffanx, I have problem with uart
2018-05-29T10:43:48 < Steffanx> Ok.
2018-05-29T10:43:54 < kakimir> if I try to send with tx buffer empty flag I get a lot of garbage to my terminal
2018-05-29T10:43:54 < stvn> What’s wrong mate?
2018-05-29T10:44:10 < kakimir> but if I use delay_ms(1) instead it works perfect but slow
2018-05-29T10:45:06 < kakimir> have you noted other things than tx buffer empty flag to concider when pushing some rows of data out?
2018-05-29T10:57:02 < kakimir> do you guise use constant time for deep sleeping?
2018-05-29T10:57:06 < kakimir> or variable?
2018-05-29T10:57:28 < kakimir> I mean by constant that you just multiply the sleep times
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2018-05-29T11:46:11 < kakimir> how to detect sleep?
2018-05-29T11:46:12 < Thorn> wat is NVIC_ClearPendingIRQ()
2018-05-29T11:46:16 < Thorn> I've never used it
2018-05-29T11:46:29 < kakimir> clear pending interrupt
2018-05-29T11:47:09 < kakimir> usually when you set up some shiet you want to clear interrupt before turning that interrupt on
2018-05-29T11:47:19 < kakimir> so that if it has pending interrupt
2018-05-29T11:47:24 < Thorn> at least in stm32 you clear interrupts in peripherals that generated them
2018-05-29T11:48:15 < kakimir> I don't know if that is enough
2018-05-29T11:48:48 < kakimir> that command is for cortex nested something interrupt controller
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2018-05-29T11:50:07 < kakimir> usually in peripheral you have flags that determine the cause of interrupt
2018-05-29T11:52:21 < kakimir> usually pending interrupt is cleared when interrupt service routine is called
2018-05-29T11:52:59 < kakimir> but sometimes you need to clear those flags from peripheral in order to not cause endless interrupts
2018-05-29T11:54:01 < kakimir> so probably the pending interrupt is actually cleared when the ISR exits
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2018-05-29T11:58:34 < Hamilton> kakimir, Isn't the function to clear interrupt "request" at the beginning of ISR actually :__HAL_GPIO_EXTI_CLEAR_IT(GPIO_Pin)
2018-05-29T11:58:40 < Hamilton> *macro
2018-05-29T12:00:42 < Hamilton> I had some similar question: In interrupt lifecycle, there is a IRQ line and then there is a NVIC Pending State line...when we do __CLEAR_IT what line would actually be cleared? Pending or IRQ?
2018-05-29T12:00:49 < stvn> Lol mate
2018-05-29T12:01:15 < stvn> Tey Lang is divorcing my friend Steffanx
2018-05-29T12:01:15 < kakimir> Hamilton, I don't know about stm32 world
2018-05-29T12:01:25 < kakimir> but interrupt is not always GPIO
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2018-05-29T12:15:44 < c10ud> where do you get your m0 semaphores from?
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2018-05-29T12:20:24 < Laurenceb_> https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/1155E/production/_90360017_mayfeminist.jpg
2018-05-29T12:24:26 < Hamilton> kakimir, Look, there is a PR register in EXTI. The macro HAL implements(beginning of ISR) actually clears this
2018-05-29T12:24:41 < Hamilton> But there is also a pending bit somewhere I guess in NVIC
2018-05-29T12:25:05 < Hamilton> Does anyone know what is it called?
2018-05-29T12:28:07 < stvn> Hi Laurenceb_
2018-05-29T12:28:32 < kakimir> I don't invest in researching stm32 halsphere
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2018-05-29T13:23:59 < stvn> kakimir library
2018-05-29T13:26:02 < Haohmaru> much shelfs, such books
2018-05-29T13:26:17 < kakimir> my library has been memetized #elsewhere
2018-05-29T13:26:24 < kakimir> actually a module
2018-05-29T13:26:26 < Hamilton> idk, the idea of "sub-priority" seems it's asking for nasty bugs....
2018-05-29T13:26:35 < kakimir> it's called Kaalib(TM)
2018-05-29T13:26:56 < Haohmaru> Naais naym
2018-05-29T13:27:03 < kakimir> that 11 + 15file beast for encoding and decoding integers to strings
2018-05-29T13:27:17 < Haohmaru> wut o_O
2018-05-29T13:28:53 < kakimir> they keep now saying that whatever the problem is "use Kaalib(TM) for it"
2018-05-29T13:29:36 < BrainDamage> kakalib
2018-05-29T13:29:50 < kakimir> kaccalib
2018-05-29T13:29:59 < Haohmaru> does it come with a kakilab program?
2018-05-29T13:30:09 < kakimir> no
2018-05-29T13:30:12 < Haohmaru> :~(
2018-05-29T13:30:17 < kakimir> but full test and performance test suite
2018-05-29T13:30:37 < kakimir> like 1/3 of files are related to testing
2018-05-29T13:30:50 < kakimir> I went loco with that one
2018-05-29T13:30:51 < Haohmaru> i'm returning this, i want mah moneyz back
2018-05-29T13:30:52 < Haohmaru> ;P~
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2018-05-29T13:33:27 < invzim> hello pros - any good systems for tracking serial numbers/manufacturing info/customers etc around that is not excel? 
2018-05-29T13:35:27 < Haohmaru> a woman.. that is akchually using excel for the job
2018-05-29T13:36:44 < invzim> e.g. if assembly house does QA or results of self-tests, would be nice to store it
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2018-05-29T13:50:09 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44289404
2018-05-29T13:50:22 < dongs> UPDATE: 1 civilian also dead in Belgium shooting; suspect reportedly shouted 'Allahu Akbar'
2018-05-29T13:52:05 < Hamilton> dongs, :(
2018-05-29T13:53:14 < kakimir> I wonder if I need to power on every peripheral I use after deep sleep
2018-05-29T13:53:35 < kakimir> that are not in PDAWAKECFG
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2018-05-29T13:53:52 < zyp> which deep sleep? STOP or STANDBY?
2018-05-29T13:54:06 < kakimir> lpc1111 deep sleep
2018-05-29T13:54:17 < kakimir> not deep power down
2018-05-29T13:54:25 < zyp> ah, screw lpc
2018-05-29T13:56:43 < stvn> is lpc bad?
2018-05-29T13:56:53 < qyx> sure
2018-05-29T13:56:57 < zyp> no, but this is not ##lpc11
2018-05-29T13:57:06 < qyx> https://i.imgur.com/NgQOiNO.png
2018-05-29T13:57:15 < qyx> anything comes to your mind if I wanted to compress this?
2018-05-29T13:58:04 < Thorn> it's ##lpc8
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2018-05-29T13:58:30 < Haohmaru> compress?
2018-05-29T13:58:32 < jpa-> kakimir: 1/3 test code sounds pretty small, i have 80% test code :P
2018-05-29T13:58:47 < zyp> qyx, variable-length encoding to encode the delta between each sample?
2018-05-29T13:59:24 < jpa-> qyx: lossy or lossless?
2018-05-29T13:59:39 < Haohmaru> zip it ;P~
2018-05-29T13:59:43  * Haohmaru runs
2018-05-29T13:59:45 < qyx> zyp: you mean delta and then huffman or similar?
2018-05-29T13:59:55 < PeterM> zyp i like that
2018-05-29T13:59:56 < jpa-> delta and e.g. elias gamma coding would work
2018-05-29T13:59:59 < karlp> [2080 for i in range(4200)] ?
2018-05-29T14:00:00 < kakimir> jpa-, I have multiple implementations of same stuff
2018-05-29T14:00:02 < qyx> jpa-: can be lossy
2018-05-29T14:00:08 < kakimir> 400line functions
2018-05-29T14:00:08 < karlp> (how lossy? ;)
2018-05-29T14:00:08 < jpa-> for lossy, ADPCM could work
2018-05-29T14:00:39 < qyx> semi-lossy to be still able to do correlation of tvo similar signals
2018-05-29T14:00:44 < kakimir> so that I can use test functions to root out bugs with comparisson tests
2018-05-29T14:00:44 < qyx> two even
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2018-05-29T14:01:32 < jpa-> delta + huffman should be pretty good but somewhat computationally intensive
2018-05-29T14:01:50 < Hamilton2> Do Timer modules of STM32 actually have something called "programmable hardware filters"?
2018-05-29T14:02:20 < karlp> Hamilton2: some of hte new ones do,
2018-05-29T14:02:26 < zyp> I was thinking something simpler than huffman, just variable length integer coding
2018-05-29T14:02:31 < karlp> f7 and l4 iirc.
2018-05-29T14:02:34 < jpa-> Hamilton2: all have for input capture mode
2018-05-29T14:02:45 < karlp> oh, there's that stuff too isn't there.
2018-05-29T14:02:54 < jpa-> IC1F bits in TIMx->CCMR1
2018-05-29T14:02:58 < zyp> since most samples have very small deltas, they only needs a few bits
2018-05-29T14:03:40 < zyp> so, sort of like huffman, except instead of making a frequency table, use delta itself as frequency
2018-05-29T14:03:48 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/mSo/plain   this is what i use for fast image encoding in one project
2018-05-29T14:04:41 < zyp> something like that, yes
2018-05-29T14:04:43 < jpa-> not sure how optimal that is for any particular distribution
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2018-05-29T14:05:27 < Hamilton> Good thing the channel is logged
2018-05-29T14:05:29 < Hamilton>  Like they really have some R/C filter or even OpAmp based active filter inside that is programmable?
2018-05-29T14:05:39 < qyx> jpa-: thx, that elias delta coding looks good
2018-05-29T14:05:44 < qyx> and simple enough
2018-05-29T14:06:24 < jpa-> ADPCM gains some efficiency in that it is not a prefix code, but instead the bitlength of each value is calculated from the signal
2018-05-29T14:06:44 < jpa-> Hamilton: no, it is a digital filter
2018-05-29T14:07:26 < jpa-> Hamilton: basically just "count only if value is stable for N clock cycles"
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2018-05-29T14:08:16 < Hamilton> jpa-, So it actually implements things like 1/(1+10s) -> (z^-1 / (z^-1 + 10)) and then implemets z^-1 as a delay using Timer
2018-05-29T14:08:34 < Hamilton> Nothing PSoCy here...moving on...?
2018-05-29T14:08:43 < karlp> slow down, stop asking people to implement your transfer functions
2018-05-29T14:08:49 < jpa-> Hamilton: uh whut, i'm not going to spin z-transforms to explain what "stable for N clock cycles" means
2018-05-29T14:09:07 < Hamilton> karlp, No I meant how it works...I'm learning interrupts at the moment
2018-05-29T14:09:12 < jpa-> it's all in the refman
2018-05-29T14:09:22 < PeterM> ask clive1
2018-05-29T14:09:25 < Hamilton> I thought it was more complex because it's name
2018-05-29T14:09:35 < jpa-> eh
2018-05-29T14:09:45 < jpa-> not sure why you'd want it to be complex?
2018-05-29T14:10:21 < Hamilton> jpa-, Cypress PSoCs actually implement hardware analog filters and you can do all sorts of things with them
2018-05-29T14:10:22 < dongs> try to heatshrink it
2018-05-29T14:10:37 < dongs> qyx: https://github.com/atomicobject/heatshrink
2018-05-29T14:10:38 < PeterM> wot
2018-05-29T14:10:45 < PeterM> o
2018-05-29T14:11:00 < dongs> its my newfav data compression on stm32, its so small and works surprisingly good
2018-05-29T14:11:11 < jpa-> Hamilton: yeah, but you are just silly to expect a timer input to have some configurable analog filter block
2018-05-29T14:11:11 < qyx> tried that before you
2018-05-29T14:11:14 < qyx> dongs: ^
2018-05-29T14:11:16 < dongs> pfft
2018-05-29T14:11:16 < stvn> is clive1 still around?
2018-05-29T14:11:24 < Hamilton> jpa-, That's why I asked :D
2018-05-29T14:11:25 < dongs> qyx: on that data?
2018-05-29T14:11:36 < qyx> no, on firmware images
2018-05-29T14:11:39 < PeterM> stvn yeah?
2018-05-29T14:11:45 < stvn> cool
2018-05-29T14:11:53 < Hamilton> jpa-, But I would have attached the name "implemets digital filters" rather "programmable hardware filters"
2018-05-29T14:11:55 < dongs> dont think it would do too well with binary data
2018-05-29T14:12:05 < qyx> you think right
2018-05-29T14:12:09 < qyx> it didn't work
2018-05-29T14:12:22 < dongs> 'didnt work' is not possible
2018-05-29T14:12:31 < dongs> it didnt compress good enough, i can believe
2018-05-29T14:12:35 < qyx> I mean there were ocassions with nearly 0% compression
2018-05-29T14:12:59 < dongs> right, but you used the .exe to test on a random firmware .bin before even commiting any time to trying it right
2018-05-29T14:13:25 < jpa-> i tried a bunch of compression libraries, ended up just using zlib with the minimum settings
2018-05-29T14:13:32 < jpa-> takes some ~30kB of ram but i can live with that
2018-05-29T14:13:38 < dongs> haha.
2018-05-29T14:13:39 < qyx> sure, played wioth parameters a bit on a .bin
2018-05-29T14:13:41 < dongs> gross
2018-05-29T14:14:12 < dongs> https://github.com/pfalcon/uzlib how aboutthis
2018-05-29T14:14:39 < Hamilton> You guys are talking about compressing your code to fit in RAM at the expense of Clock-cycles to de-compress right?
2018-05-29T14:14:45 < dongs> no0
2018-05-29T14:15:08 < qyx> to compress captured waveforms before being able to send them over the air
2018-05-29T14:15:42 < Hamilton> ok :)
2018-05-29T14:15:55 < qyx> ill try that hatershrink
2018-05-29T14:16:01 < qyx> just for the lulz
2018-05-29T14:16:59 < zyp> so, heatshrink is just a LSZZ implementation? if so it seems like it'd just be good for byte pattern repetition
2018-05-29T14:17:16 < qyx> yeah
2018-05-29T14:17:25 < jpa-> dongs: hmm didn't try that one; i tried https://github.com/richgel999/miniz but that used about as much ram as zlib @ minimum settings
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2018-05-29T14:20:00 < jpa-> dongs: looks like uzlib uses 16kB by default, though one can probably reduce HASH_BITS
2018-05-29T14:20:53 < jpa-> (also puts the 16kB on stack, which is kind-of silly :)
2018-05-29T14:22:17 < jpa-> qyx: if you want to try ADPCM, you can use audacity with "Import raw data" and "Export audio -> other uncompressed files -> RAW -> VOXADPCM"
2018-05-29T14:24:41 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/hkX5nf68.html fursiouly sending btc to chinaman
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2018-05-29T14:26:46 < stvn> eh?
2018-05-29T14:27:54 < PeterM> cant you jsut be like "tiananmen square june 4th 1989" and then his internet goes out?
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2018-05-29T14:28:04 < c10ud> are we talking 'bout audio+mcu? I'm just implementing that but I'm going with raw pcm samples atm
2018-05-29T14:28:21 < c10ud> (figuring out interrupts fucking up my output, or spiffs not keeping up)
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2018-05-29T14:31:23 < qyx> Error while writing RAW (header-less) file (disk full?).
2018-05-29T14:31:24 < qyx> Libsndfile says "No Error."
2018-05-29T14:31:29 < qyx> good job
2018-05-29T14:32:18 < jpa-> :)
2018-05-29T14:34:10 < dongs> < qyx> Libsndfile says "No Error."
2018-05-29T14:34:11 < dongs> opensores.
2018-05-29T14:35:47 < PeterM> https://i.imgur.com/XLRovqD.jpg opensores
2018-05-29T14:36:53 < Laurenceb> sup trollz
2018-05-29T14:37:02 < qyx> compressing data
2018-05-29T14:38:14 < jpa-> Laurenceb: have you been out stabbing people with mommys kitchen knives again?   https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/27/knives-sharp-filing-solution-soaring-violent-crime-judge-says/
2018-05-29T14:38:16 < Laurenceb> muh data
2018-05-29T14:38:23 < Laurenceb> yes
2018-05-29T14:38:27 < Laurenceb> it was me
2018-05-29T14:39:38 < Laurenceb> muh amerimutt heritage causes me to regress to the gorilla behaviour programmed into my dna
2018-05-29T14:40:40 < qyx> heatshrink compresses such waveform to ~50% of the original size
2018-05-29T14:41:14 < jpa-> original being 16 bit samples?
2018-05-29T14:41:14 < Laurenceb> tfw 56%
2018-05-29T14:41:26 < qyx> jpa-: yes
2018-05-29T14:41:49 < jpa-> yeah; adpcm would get you 4 bit per sample but dunno how much it would distort the shape :P
2018-05-29T14:42:08 < jpa-> 50% is pretty good for lossless
2018-05-29T14:42:27 < Laurenceb> maybe I could use this for shakker data
2018-05-29T14:45:00 < qyx> https://privatebin.net/?75bf720ec2d7fa9b#LLxhuN3xNR1EA/PjOG0KMWTMzocLjZHUsSdYoxHlcEM=
2018-05-29T14:45:11 < qyx> so many pastebins, so much trash
2018-05-29T14:45:44 < qyx> mp3 is total garbage
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2018-05-29T14:48:13 < jpa-> still better than png, clearly
2018-05-29T14:48:35 < Laurenceb> thats just some random cp
2018-05-29T14:48:46 < jpa-> it's qyx' harddrive, not your
2018-05-29T14:48:52 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-05-29T14:49:19 < zyp> qyx, consider that mp3 were designed to compress sound, you're basically trying to compress silence
2018-05-29T14:49:29 < dongs> .bin is original?
2018-05-29T14:50:13 < qyx> yes
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2018-05-29T14:51:35 < dongs> hateshrink
2018-05-29T14:52:37 < Haohmaru> hate is only ever expanding in here
2018-05-29T14:52:53 < Haohmaru> like the universe
2018-05-29T14:53:23 < Haohmaru> mp3 is lousy with transients
2018-05-29T14:53:39 < Haohmaru> they turn into farts
2018-05-29T14:54:09 < Haohmaru> but maybe with VBR you could compress the silence uber much..
2018-05-29T14:54:18 < Haohmaru> are you gonna run a noise-gate on this?
2018-05-29T14:54:30 < Haohmaru> cuz "some faint noise" != "silence"
2018-05-29T15:06:26 < Laurenceb> http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114357.png
2018-05-29T15:06:38 < Laurenceb> attack mode has been engaged
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2018-05-29T15:06:49 < dongs> notfunnylawrenceb.png
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2018-05-29T15:06:51 < dongs> haha
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2018-05-29T15:06:58 < englishman> thank you
2018-05-29T15:07:11 < dongs> that fucking png is still loading
2018-05-29T15:07:13 < dongs> i dont even know what i missed
2018-05-29T15:07:46 < Haohmaru> a picture of this elon musk guy
2018-05-29T15:08:04 < stvn> lol
2018-05-29T15:08:22 < Haohmaru> ..i think
2018-05-29T15:08:38 < stvn> #metoo him
2018-05-29T15:08:39 < stvn> lol
2018-05-29T15:12:24 < Steffanx> The heat is getting in your mind too, zyp? :P
2018-05-29T15:12:31 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-05-29T15:12:33 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 30.3°C. Humidity: 54%.
2018-05-29T15:12:44 < zyp> I think today is colder here
2018-05-29T15:12:47 < zyp> !wz grimstad
2018-05-29T15:12:48 < englishbot> [Grimstad, Norway] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 21°C. ENE wind: 26 kph. Humidity: 64%.
2018-05-29T15:12:57 < Steffanx> Oh better.
2018-05-29T15:22:15 < Haohmaru> !wz varna
2018-05-29T15:22:17 < englishbot> [Varna, Bulgaria] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 24.2°C. North wind: 9.7 kph. Humidity: 60%.
2018-05-29T15:22:37 < Haohmaru> ^ i can't complain
2018-05-29T15:22:49 < englishman> it's beautiful everywhere
2018-05-29T15:22:53 < englishman> everything is awesome
2018-05-29T15:22:58 < englishman> (except melbourne)
2018-05-29T15:23:10 < Haohmaru> except at the north pole
2018-05-29T15:25:59 < stvn> hmm
2018-05-29T15:27:14 < PeterM> !wz volgograd
2018-05-29T15:27:15 < englishbot> [Volgograd, Russia] Clear. Temp is 18°C. East wind: 22 kph.
2018-05-29T15:27:30 < PeterM> !wz penrith, australia
2018-05-29T15:27:32 < englishbot> [Penrith, Australia] Overcast. Temp is 15.4°C. Humidity: 93%.
2018-05-29T15:27:55 < karlp> !wz bikf
2018-05-29T15:27:56 < englishbot> [BIKF, Iceland] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 8°C but feels like 2°C. SE wind: 57 kph. Humidity: 100%.
2018-05-29T15:28:07 < karlp> (it's a little breezy today)
2018-05-29T15:28:26 < karlp> thankfully, I'm off to italy ofr a week tomorrow
2018-05-29T15:28:36 < Haohmaru> wut are you doing up there in iceland?!
2018-05-29T15:28:41 < karlp> living?
2018-05-29T15:28:47 < zyp> haha
2018-05-29T15:28:53 < stvn> karlp: are you looking to find BrainDamage ?
2018-05-29T15:28:56 < jpa-> eating polarbears and bathing in hot springs
2018-05-29T15:29:38 < Haohmaru> must be "cool"
2018-05-29T15:29:38 < karlp> be pretty hungry if I was eating polar bears
2018-05-29T15:30:05 < stvn> they want to eat me
2018-05-29T15:30:42 < jpa-> https://satwcomic.com/nordics-like-fish   poisonous sharks of course also
2018-05-29T15:31:54 < karlp> saw some kids eating a jar of hákarl the other day,
2018-05-29T15:32:10 < karlp> they just came into the fleamarket dining area, got a coke and sat down and ate a jar together.
2018-05-29T15:33:13 < BrainDamage> most delicacies are in fact pretty disgusting
2018-05-29T15:33:36 < BrainDamage> and you need to force yourself to eat them fore a while before you can 'appreciate' them
2018-05-29T15:33:47 < Haohmaru> no, thanks
2018-05-29T15:33:56 < Haohmaru> imma eat mah biscuits
2018-05-29T15:35:20 < jpa-> yeah, it's been so difficult to get the child to eat biscuits and donuts, he would only eat potatoes if we didn't force it! ;)
2018-05-29T15:36:14 < jpa-> though now that i look up the definition of delicacy, what BrainDamage said makes much more sense..
2018-05-29T15:36:22 < kakimir> I don't understand why watchdog feed sequence is not 0xFE 0xED
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2018-05-29T15:36:52 < kakimir> so logical
2018-05-29T15:46:22  * Laurenceb is failing at c/c++
2018-05-29T15:46:52 < Laurenceb> /home/lau/VibGUI/loadconfigurations.h:15: error: ‘configuration_descriptor_t’ was not declared in this scope
2018-05-29T15:46:52 < Laurenceb>   qint8 loadfile(QString filename, QList<configuration_descriptor_t>* configlist);
2018-05-29T15:47:18 < day> BrainDamage: goose liver, fish eggs, frogs, snails. not sure what you are talking about :?
2018-05-29T15:47:20 < zyp> what part of that is unclear?
2018-05-29T15:47:50 < Laurenceb> maybe #pragma once is breaking it
2018-05-29T15:47:53 < Laurenceb> I'll pastebin
2018-05-29T15:47:56 < kakimir> I should probs make this shiet to sleep when doing ADC
2018-05-29T15:48:18 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/DRtUij0N
2018-05-29T15:48:29 < Laurenceb> ^ I included that header
2018-05-29T15:49:30 < dongs> qI qwould qhate qto qdo qanything qwith qqt qbecause qit qsounds qfucking qhard qto qtype
2018-05-29T15:49:48 < Laurenceb> qkek
2018-05-29T15:50:04 < Haohmaru> qmy qeyes qhurt
2018-05-29T15:51:43 < Hamilton> lol
2018-05-29T15:52:28 < Haohmaru> wx is easier to write ;P~
2018-05-29T15:52:37 < Haohmaru> wxString
2018-05-29T15:52:39  * Haohmaru runs
2018-05-29T15:52:56 < Hamilton> Jwhat Jabout JJava?
2018-05-29T15:53:06 < Haohmaru> no, pls
2018-05-29T15:53:19 < Haohmaru> i only got 2GB of ram here
2018-05-29T15:53:33 < Hamilton> *Java yummies
2018-05-29T15:53:48 < Haohmaru> stay back u monster
2018-05-29T15:53:58 < dongs> quickly, load up cubemx
2018-05-29T15:54:03 < Haohmaru> nooooooo
2018-05-29T15:54:06 < Hamilton> jlol
2018-05-29T15:54:07 < Haohmaru> "quickly" huh
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2018-05-29T15:57:23 < Hamilton> I just realized TimeCube does this with HAL_literally_everything
2018-05-29T15:57:53  * Hamilton doesn't complain though
2018-05-29T15:59:56 < Laurenceb> rageeeeee
2018-05-29T16:00:09 < jpa-> Laurenceb: having #pragma once after you've already included some headers seems wrong
2018-05-29T16:00:11 < Laurenceb> I'm prob going to have to create a dedicated header to fix this shit
2018-05-29T16:00:18 < Laurenceb> jpa-: yeah
2018-05-29T16:00:40 < Laurenceb> I was copypastering it to fix earlier issues
2018-05-29T16:00:43 < jpa-> but yeah, also including loadconfigurations.h from there and then depending on that file in loadconfigurations.h is a problem
2018-05-29T16:01:12 < Laurenceb> hmm well spotted
2018-05-29T16:14:24 < dongs> HI I am Xpert P. I am senior Developer and I am Expert in Arduino, Electrical Engineering, Electronics, Microcontroller, PCB Layout. I have completed 200+ based projects in programming with 100% client satisfaction .I have Working experiences of more than 15 years. I have checked your project and I am sure that I can do the job for you. Lets discuss rest details over chat.
2018-05-29T16:14:49 < dongs> now hiring: arduino experts
2018-05-29T16:14:51 < day> here we go again
2018-05-29T16:15:30 < day> i majored in arduino with 2 dr! get on my lvl
2018-05-29T16:15:58 < BrainDamage> 40 years arduino experience
2018-05-29T16:16:35 < day> that explains the nick
2018-05-29T16:18:22 < Haohmaru> 40 years? that's nothing
2018-05-29T16:18:35 < Haohmaru> i got ANCIENT traditions in avoiding arduino... oops
2018-05-29T16:19:39 < Laurenceb> we wuz arduino programmers
2018-05-29T16:19:51 < dongs> I found a 256mb sd card
2018-05-29T16:20:00 < Haohmaru> "hi, i am xpert, and i speek lolspeek .cuz that's very ofishal"
2018-05-29T16:22:11 < Hamilton> dongs, reminds me of this : https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiSrPjxgavbAhVDthQKHTdqA5oQjhx6BAgBEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fme.me%2Fi%2Fjust-finished-my-first-arduino-project-a-bl-inking-led-14470082&psig=AOvVaw00ryxbicc14NNwQsuVDBjn&ust=1527686509898110
2018-05-29T16:22:37 < Hamilton> https://pics.me.me/just-finished-my-first-arduino-project-a-bl-inking-led-21796485.png
2018-05-29T16:23:23 < Haohmaru> fartduino eggspurt!
2018-05-29T16:24:03 < day> maybe the mayans meant ot predict the electronics armageddon :/
2018-05-29T16:25:29 < Hamilton> day, Actually I've read somewhere that the project has roots in one of founder's student project
2018-05-29T16:26:01 < Hamilton> And the student seemed unhappy about the way the project went without him IIRC
2018-05-29T16:27:31 < day> founders student project?
2018-05-29T16:28:31 < Thorn> https://i.imgur.com/cQQWOXo.jpg out of 4 leds on this pcb one has green marks on the anode, not cathode
2018-05-29T16:29:13 < Hamilton> day, Massimo banzi was/is professor of some italian uni
2018-05-29T16:29:30 < Thorn> (my lpc824 board)
2018-05-29T16:29:35 < Hamilton> They had an interfacing course for some non-techi students
2018-05-29T16:30:00 < Hamilton> One of his students (in that class or other) wrote Wiring 
2018-05-29T16:30:05 < PeterM> Thorn nice resistor up the back tehre
2018-05-29T16:30:15 < Hamilton> Arduino's IDE is based on that
2018-05-29T16:30:25 < Hamilton> or APIs to be specific
2018-05-29T16:31:00 < Thorn> PeterM: I was too lazy to find the proper polyfuse
2018-05-29T16:31:08 < kakimir> jeezz... there is WDT oscillator divider and WDT clock divider
2018-05-29T16:31:17 < kakimir> guess who thought there was only one
2018-05-29T16:32:20 < Steffanx> The same guy that dont read the user manual?
2018-05-29T16:32:27 < dongs> Thorn: this is why when im doing one-offs with unknown parts i always grab some powered twweezers and check whcih end of hte led is +
2018-05-29T16:32:29 < Steffanx> Didnt*
2018-05-29T16:33:00 < Thorn> I do that too 
2018-05-29T16:33:02 < kakimir> Steffanx, yeah right.. try to do this fully blinded
2018-05-29T16:33:06 < dongs> so how did you fck that up
2018-05-29T16:33:23 < Thorn> I didn't, it all works
2018-05-29T16:41:40 < Laurenceb> http://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114361.png
2018-05-29T16:42:11 < kakimir> please provide your cancer with different image hosting service Laurenceb 
2018-05-29T16:42:16 < Laurenceb> k
2018-05-29T16:42:31 < kakimir> I don't like when my browser says that this page will assfuck you
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2018-05-29T16:44:20 < dongs> cool my fatfs emulator for windows works
2018-05-29T16:44:27 < Laurenceb> why.jpg
2018-05-29T16:44:53 < dongs> so i can use fatfs calls on a file.bin thats an image of a sd card
2018-05-29T16:45:48 < c10ud> anyone with spiffs experience? with "big" (10kib) files I get a single 1s spike while reading in chunks, after some data is read
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2018-05-29T16:52:50 < jpa-> what is it doing during that 1s?
2018-05-29T16:54:35 < dongs> spiffffs
2018-05-29T16:54:39 < dongs> i was gonna use that
2018-05-29T16:54:43 < dongs> then i autismed the fuck out
2018-05-29T16:54:46 < dongs> and wrote my own implementation
2018-05-29T16:55:11 < dongs> my shit is async
2018-05-29T16:55:36 < dongs> all writes/reads are DMA, main task can be called in a loop/whatever to proceed to next step during write/read/erase etc
2018-05-29T16:55:57 < c10ud> jpa-, that's what I would like to understand, I'm skimming through debug but no luck so far
2018-05-29T16:55:58 < dongs> so it never blocks
2018-05-29T16:56:28 < c10ud> meh it's not that it's locking, more than my DAC is getting buffer underruns
2018-05-29T16:56:43 < c10ud> where dac->8khz, spiffs->4mhz
2018-05-29T16:56:46 < c10ud> so, WTF
2018-05-29T16:57:11 < jpa-> press ctrl-c when it pauses? :P
2018-05-29T16:57:21 < dongs> https://www.ebay.ca/itm/332431298212 wow
2018-05-29T16:58:30 < c10ud> right, could be worth trying ;o
2018-05-29T16:58:38  * Laurenceb just uses fatfs
2018-05-29T16:58:47 < dongs> on 64k page erase SPI flash?
2018-05-29T16:58:47 < Laurenceb> with dma sdio
2018-05-29T16:58:55 < Laurenceb> oh lol not reading sorry
2018-05-29T16:58:58 < dongs> good luck doing that on some shitty F0 with 8k ram
2018-05-29T16:59:41 < Laurenceb> wut
2018-05-29T16:59:50 < Laurenceb> fatfs can supposedly run on atmega168
2018-05-29T16:59:57 < Laurenceb> but it broke each tiem i tried
2018-05-29T17:01:33 < dongs> fatfs does, maintaining a usable filesystem on SPI flash with 64k page erase doesn't
2018-05-29T17:01:53 < c10ud> ok it's supposedly a CACHE_ALLO/CACHE_FREE dance that's fucking up my shit 
2018-05-29T17:02:02 < c10ud> tbh spiffs isn't bad once you get it working
2018-05-29T17:02:47 < day> what doest ##stm32 consider to be good software? all i hear is a.)trash b.)"not bad"
2018-05-29T17:03:59 < c10ud> ahah
2018-05-29T17:04:08 < dongs> good software is free software
2018-05-29T17:04:10 < dongs> GNU/Forever
2018-05-29T17:04:13 < c10ud> well I don't think "good" is an option unless parent==self
2018-05-29T17:04:51 < Laurenceb> >insert GNU copypasta here
2018-05-29T17:05:54 < Laurenceb> >tbh once saw a group of Japanese school girls descend on a small blonde child while shouting "KAWAII", a horror I'm sure even war vets haven't experienced 
2018-05-29T17:07:52 < qyx> dongs: fatfs emulator? semihosting you mean?
2018-05-29T17:13:11 < dongs> qyx, i donno, i mean, i built fatfs shit in vstudio and wrote diskio that operates on a disk.bin instead of device access
2018-05-29T17:13:27 < dongs> nothing amazing, but shit works and will do for what im trying to do here
2018-05-29T17:13:45 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/nuGEcAF
2018-05-29T17:14:00 < c10ud> I think this shit happens because next_page < current_page
2018-05-29T17:14:10 < c10ud> and it's probably searching it till end of flash
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2018-05-29T17:17:54 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/DGAfLHJ.gifv
2018-05-29T17:18:33 < dongs> the kid at the end is judew
2018-05-29T17:19:36 < aandrew> lol kid's like "wtf did I do"
2018-05-29T17:19:42 < Laurenceb> wew its real http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-44287640
2018-05-29T17:19:48 < aandrew> dongs: get your routering figured out or did you just install a win10 router like a pro
2018-05-29T17:19:48 < bitmask> woo more filament ordered
2018-05-29T17:21:48 < dongs> aandrew: still fucked, next time im there will just replace with a real non-lunix router
2018-05-29T17:22:46 < bitmask> I have 26 epackets coming...
2018-05-29T17:23:00 < bitmask> huwwy up china
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2018-05-29T17:35:41 < Cracki> Schnitzelsommer! Jeden Tag Schnitzel! in my university cafeteria
2018-05-29T17:36:32 < karlp> bit late for lunch, even in europe.
2018-05-29T17:37:18 < Cracki> I've had lunch. and a serious (rain) shower.
2018-05-29T17:38:01 < Cracki> anyway, there is no bad time for Schnitzel!
2018-05-29T17:39:23 < kakimir> fuq
2018-05-29T17:39:31 < kakimir> I cannot get watchdog running
2018-05-29T17:39:42 < englishman> unless it is time for currywurst
2018-05-29T17:39:51 < kakimir> fuque
2018-05-29T17:41:06 < Laurenceb> arggg circular dependencies
2018-05-29T17:41:11 < Laurenceb> how do I fix this problem?
2018-05-29T17:41:19 < dongs> write non shit code
2018-05-29T17:41:34 < Laurenceb> third header?
2018-05-29T17:41:59 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/13L71y8r
2018-05-29T17:41:59 < karlp> third header is the normal way, yes.
2018-05-29T17:42:09 < karlp> writing non-shit code is optional, some people prefer it.
2018-05-29T17:42:44 < Laurenceb> karlp is there any other solution other than a third header?
2018-05-29T17:42:57 < karlp> you tell me science nerd.
2018-05-29T17:43:02 < karlp> go all graph theory on it.
2018-05-29T17:43:06 < Laurenceb> heh
2018-05-29T17:43:10 < Laurenceb> ok third header tiem
2018-05-29T17:43:19 < karlp> or just fucking making a third heard with the actual splits that you really hve, but refuse to admit you have.
2018-05-29T17:43:37 < dongs> Laurenceb: do you even udnerstan waht the fuck pragma once does
2018-05-29T17:43:38 < karlp> (it does often imply that you're fucking things up in bigger ways)
2018-05-29T17:43:44 < dongs> why the fuck would it be anywhere other than TOP OF HTE FILE
2018-05-29T17:43:50 < Laurenceb> hmm it is
2018-05-29T17:43:54 < dongs> im surpirsed your garbage compiler even accepts that
2018-05-29T17:44:09 < karlp> I woudl actually think that with #pragma once, it wouldn't matter where it was in the file.
2018-05-29T17:44:25 < Laurenceb> ok lets see if this works...
2018-05-29T17:44:27 < dongs> i would think being anywhere other than top of file would be an immediate error
2018-05-29T17:44:32 < karlp> because it's a directive to do clever shit, not a "string replacement instructions" like #include is
2018-05-29T17:47:31 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/6sXiFZC.gifv
2018-05-29T17:48:10 < dongs> jadew: are you just discovering internet or something
2018-05-29T17:48:18 < dongs> you keep linking this shit that's not even STM32 related
2018-05-29T17:48:27 < dongs> while we're trying to have a discussion about laurence/b/ failure
2018-05-29T17:48:36 < Laurenceb> hmm ok down to one error now
2018-05-29T17:48:53 < Laurenceb> VibGUI/sensordialog.h:23: error: ‘loadconfigurations’ does not name a type
2018-05-29T17:48:53 < Laurenceb>   loadconfigurations* configloader;
2018-05-29T17:48:53 < Laurenceb>   ^
2018-05-29T17:49:37 < dongs> struct laodconfiguraiotns *?
2018-05-29T17:50:00 < Laurenceb> its a class
2018-05-29T17:50:03 < dongs> if you dont know size of shit i think you can pre-declare it above just to get the syntax to shut up since its jsut a pointer to it
2018-05-29T17:50:06 < dongs> wut
2018-05-29T17:50:14 < dongs> so jsut do class faggot; above that header
2018-05-29T17:50:20 < dongs> then you can do faggot *crap in side;
2018-05-29T17:50:32 < dongs> above that header  = above the error in that headfer
2018-05-29T17:50:43 < Cracki> where is loadconfigs defined
2018-05-29T17:50:44 < Laurenceb> yeah but audiointerface* thisaudiointerface;  works fine on the line above
2018-05-29T17:50:54 < Cracki> sounds like a name clash
2018-05-29T17:50:57 < Laurenceb> in the loadconfigurations.h header
2018-05-29T17:51:01 < Laurenceb> hmm
2018-05-29T17:51:07 < dongs> your naming is fuckign retarded, and so is teh rest of your code
2018-05-29T17:51:08 < Cracki> grep all the code
2018-05-29T17:51:26 < Cracki> ah, fwd decls
2018-05-29T17:51:41 < dongs> yeah forward declare taht shit and who cares
2018-05-29T17:51:55 < Cracki> I'm glad I rarely need that
2018-05-29T17:52:00 < kakimir> at least fukken wdtosc is running
2018-05-29T17:52:05 < zyp> forward declarations are stupid, except for the special occations where you actually need them
2018-05-29T17:52:16 < zyp> avoid them if you don't know what you're doing
2018-05-29T17:53:00 < dongs> precisely what launreceb doenst know
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2018-05-29T17:53:42 < dongs> oh fucking thanks, microsoft
2018-05-29T17:53:47 < dongs> i can't connect to my own fucking file share
2018-05-29T17:53:51 < dongs> because it uses some "obsolete protocol"
2018-05-29T17:53:54 < dongs> which can "expose me to risk"
2018-05-29T17:53:57 < Laurenceb> hmm ok I dunno lol
2018-05-29T17:54:39 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/DBcUxtG3
2018-05-29T17:54:39 < kakimir> I seems like microsoft actually hates people actually using their computers for something
2018-05-29T17:54:43 < Laurenceb> confused :(
2018-05-29T17:54:53 < Laurenceb> line 22 is ok, but not line 23
2018-05-29T17:55:28 < kakimir> something that is not within that "playground" you should stay in
2018-05-29T17:55:44 < kakimir> back to camp>
2018-05-29T17:56:05 < kakimir> kakicamp
2018-05-29T17:57:39 < Cracki> kakitration camp
2018-05-29T17:58:02 < Laurenceb> its even lighting up a pretty colour in Qt GUI
2018-05-29T17:58:03 < Laurenceb> wtf
2018-05-29T17:58:21 < Cracki> wat does the qt creator say?
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2018-05-29T18:01:26 < Laurenceb> ah its getting into a weird include loop again
2018-05-29T18:01:44 < c10ud> lol
2018-05-29T18:01:49 < Laurenceb> lel had to move #include "sensordialog.h" to the end of the header
2018-05-29T18:01:53 < Laurenceb> now it compiles ok
2018-05-29T18:01:55 < Laurenceb> so much fail
2018-05-29T18:02:22 < Laurenceb> finally
2018-05-29T18:02:41 < Laurenceb> now I'm too lazy to write a config editor dialog, they can use excel to write the csv filez
2018-05-29T18:02:58 < c10ud> in b4 phd work
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2018-05-29T18:14:38 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoMxvcDdnDU
2018-05-29T18:14:56 < Laurenceb> when the autism gets dangerous
2018-05-29T18:16:41 < Laurenceb> > LARP: Loser And Reject Party 
2018-05-29T18:16:46 < Laurenceb> irl lolling
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2018-05-29T18:28:17 < Cracki> so much cringe
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2018-05-29T18:30:12 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/Jd9QEIw
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2018-05-29T18:53:14 < c10ud> so, apparently my diagnosis is correct
2018-05-29T18:53:33 < c10ud> the filesystem starts searching for next page from current page
2018-05-29T18:53:55 < c10ud> but if next is < current, it fucks it up as it iterates the whole flash
2018-05-29T18:54:26 < c10ud> now, why this information isn't included in the metadata and requires scanning the fs, I don't know
2018-05-29T18:54:30 < c10ud> fml
2018-05-29T19:04:39 < kakimir> https://i.imgur.com/Nj2ZE6d.mp4 canadian way to shoo bears
2018-05-29T19:05:08 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O33JRDumOM actually this
2018-05-29T19:07:06 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atyvdC15HFA music timemachine to 1999
2018-05-29T19:10:58 < Cracki> kitteh https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeWyqrkUwAAvRxi.jpg:orig
2018-05-29T19:12:24 < Thorn> Cracki: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z_T-eiR7WI
2018-05-29T19:12:46 < Cracki> fluffbuttpornchannel
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2018-05-29T19:24:34 < botnico> hi
2018-05-29T19:29:59 < Steffanx> Hello i think
2018-05-29T19:37:55 < invzim> Checking for floating input pins, just toggle pullup to pulldown and see if the input changes?
2018-05-29T19:41:14 < kakimir> hmm
2018-05-29T19:41:32 < kakimir> I wonder if watchdog protect needs to be set after setting other stuff
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2018-05-29T19:45:02 < kakimir> oh
2018-05-29T19:45:23 < kakimir> I actually have mixed WWDT and WDT
2018-05-29T19:46:15 < kakimir> and I write a bit in WDMOD that is in reserved area
2018-05-29T19:50:06 < kakimir> just today I noticed there is 2 WDTs depending on chip exact model
2018-05-29T19:54:58 < Thorn> is there a difference between --specs=nano.specs --specs=nosys.specs and --specs=nano.specs -lnosys ?
2018-05-29T19:55:30 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-29T19:55:48 < kakimir> do you plan to use rtos?
2018-05-29T19:56:11 < Thorn> no
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2018-05-29T19:58:55 < kakimir> go with nano.specs
2018-05-29T20:00:17 < karlp> that wasn't hte question
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2018-05-29T20:07:11 < Laurenceb> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5700455/Hillary-Clinton-spotted-wearing-supposed-brace.html
2018-05-29T20:07:15 < Laurenceb> robohillary
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2018-05-29T20:23:42 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/MikeStuchbery_/status/1001496817513754624
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2018-05-29T20:40:01 < Hamilton> I don't get how MCU performs "oversampling" in UART peripherals. So instead on just sampling once RX at the specified rate imposed by baudrate, it samples 8 or 16 times. What is the period of this 8 or 16 excess sampling? If it is fixed, increasing baudrate may cause that more noise would be introduced with oversampling. Or is it adaptive w.r.t baudrate?
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2018-05-29T20:45:34 < Steffanx> You should dig into the logs from a few days ago, over sampling has been discussed a bit
2018-05-29T20:50:12 < Thorn> btw lpc82x has 5...16x oversampling, they have a whole section in the UM discussing it
2018-05-29T20:50:32 < Thorn> no idea what the '2 out of 3' thing refers to
2018-05-29T20:52:04 < Thorn> the weird thing is that the fractional baud rate generator is common to all uarts
2018-05-29T20:52:09 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4PTf7LgsIE
2018-05-29T20:53:39 < Laurenceb> irc irl
2018-05-29T20:56:11 < Steffanx> Let's us see where you'll put your head Laurenceb
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2018-05-29T20:57:35 < Guest57> hi ##stm32 headbutt meeting
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2018-05-29T21:01:23 < Thorn> >Three samples of received data are taken in order to determine the value of each received data bit
2018-05-29T21:01:48 < Thorn> wow so it's like 16*3x oversampling?
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2018-05-29T21:14:33 < Thorn> no, it's using 16 clock cycles to sample 3 times in the middle of the bit
2018-05-29T21:14:49 < con3> I've been experiencing a weird issue with my sdcard. It works, but there are some points where it stops mounting. To fix this, all I need to do is clip the oscilloscope probe onto the command line and it starts working again. Anyone got an idea of what could be causing this? I think I read a post somewhere long ago referencing this issue 
2018-05-29T21:38:32 < Hamilton> Steffanx, Read the log. Thanks
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2018-05-29T21:39:02 < Hamilton> Also microsh*t added to donglish dictionary. Not sure wheter they deserve it though :|
2018-05-29T21:39:12 < zyp> con3, got a schematic?
2018-05-29T21:39:33 < con3> zyp: give me one sec
2018-05-29T21:40:01 < zyp> the main thing attaching a scope probe does is add capacitance
2018-05-29T21:40:20 < zyp> which I guess might cut down a bit on ringing if you're driving it too hard
2018-05-29T21:40:43 < con3> zyp: I have the drive strength set to the lowest value
2018-05-29T21:41:16 < zyp> what baudrate are you running?
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2018-05-29T21:42:18 < con3> zyp:its running in sdio mode, initially its at 400 Khz and then bumps up to 24 MHz when it mounts, but if it fails, it fails when it tries to mount
2018-05-29T21:42:27 < con3> https://imgur.com/a/C7ZR4Fc
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2018-05-29T21:52:14 < jadew> what's new?
2018-05-29T21:52:31 < Steffanx> Is something ever new?
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2018-05-29T21:55:58 < Steffanx> is your shop up and running yet, jadew?
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2018-05-29T21:59:10 < jadew> Steffanx, not yet
2018-05-29T22:00:09 < jadew> I got to the final stage of the payment process and decided it needs bit more type safety, so I'm adding that (switched from php to hacklang)
2018-05-29T22:00:46 < jadew> there's some refactoring needed
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2018-05-29T22:02:22 < Steffanx> hah ok
2018-05-29T22:02:52 < botnico> does one know how to set the flas read protection level 1 on a stm32f072 with openocd/swd?
2018-05-29T22:03:47 < Steffanx> long time no php for me, but didnt add php7 quite a bit of typestuff, jadew?
2018-05-29T22:03:59 < jadew> Steffanx, very basic stuff
2018-05-29T22:04:22 < jadew> you can't for example define the shape of an array
2018-05-29T22:04:42 < jadew> with hacklang you can pass ['a' => 1, 'b' => 'test'] and it typechecks it
2018-05-29T22:05:22 < Steffanx> i thought you were all into C#. What not C#?
2018-05-29T22:05:25 < Hamilton> jadew, is hacklang == erlang?
2018-05-29T22:05:51 < jadew> Hamilton, no, hacklang == php with types + some extra containers
2018-05-29T22:05:57 < Steffanx> by facebook
2018-05-29T22:05:59 < jadew> yeah
2018-05-29T22:06:17 < Hamilton> So it is a real language? Thought you were mocking sth.. :|
2018-05-29T22:06:26 < jadew> Steffanx, because I wrote a neat framework in php about 2 years ago and I wanted to use that
2018-05-29T22:06:38 < jadew> if I switch from php for web dev, I'll go straight to c++
2018-05-29T22:06:56 < jadew> Hamilton, nope, real language,that'
2018-05-29T22:07:01 < jadew> Hamilton, nope, real language, that's what it's called
2018-05-29T22:07:23 < Hamilton> I have 0 experience in web dev but isn't python + Django framework the best solution?
2018-05-29T22:07:25 < Steffanx> lol wut, jadew
2018-05-29T22:07:41 < veverak> Hamilton: there is no best solution
2018-05-29T22:07:43 < veverak> :)
2018-05-29T22:07:48 < veverak> also python is problematic sometimes
2018-05-29T22:08:11 < jadew> Steffanx, I realized that with the way I'm doing things now, there's very little reason to use a language like PHP
2018-05-29T22:08:18 < Hamilton> veverak, sure but overall python seems to be the language of "all cool kidz around the interwebz"
2018-05-29T22:08:23 < jadew> which was intended to be combined with actual HTML
2018-05-29T22:08:43 < jadew> and hasn't evolved much since then (it has evolved a bit, but it's still stupid)
2018-05-29T22:11:30 < veverak> Hamilton: it is, but that says shit about 'quality of this solution'
2018-05-29T22:11:31 < jadew> I mean... what exactly makes PHP, hacklang or any server side scripting language more preferable to C++?
2018-05-29T22:11:41 < jadew> I simply can't find that reason anymore
2018-05-29T22:11:54 < veverak> it's easier to understand how to code in it
2018-05-29T22:12:06 < veverak> don't forget that badly written C as painfull as hell
2018-05-29T22:12:13 < veverak> and only thing worse than that is badly written C++
2018-05-29T22:12:23 < jadew> yeah, but I have none of those problems
2018-05-29T22:12:33 < veverak> however you can teach a kid how to code in PHP/Python
2018-05-29T22:12:34 < veverak> :)
2018-05-29T22:12:45 < veverak> jadew: btw: I would personally use haskell for webdev in most cases
2018-05-29T22:12:52 < veverak> but I avoid webdev a lot, so I stick to C++
2018-05-29T22:12:54 < jadew> why?
2018-05-29T22:13:05 < veverak> it's faster to develop apps in Haskell for me than in C++
2018-05-29T22:13:11 < veverak> typesafety level is +- same
2018-05-29T22:13:23 < Hamilton> veverak, Unrelated but can you do haskell for stm32?
2018-05-29T22:13:29 < veverak> but performance is better for C++ usually
2018-05-29T22:13:31 < veverak> Hamilton: nope
2018-05-29T22:14:34 < Steffanx> Yes you can, isn't srk totally into that?
2018-05-29T22:14:50 < veverak> srk uses Ivory, that is Haskell code that generates C
2018-05-29T22:14:57 < veverak> that is not haskell in stm32, that is haskell generating C
2018-05-29T22:15:04 < veverak> however I am aware that there is something that can do that
2018-05-29T22:15:05 < Steffanx> so you kinda use haskell.
2018-05-29T22:15:17 < veverak> (I mean, directly running Haskell on embedded)
2018-05-29T22:15:26 < veverak> Steffanx: yeah
2018-05-29T22:15:48 < Hamilton> Someone in ##embedded runs Fort in a MSP432
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2018-05-29T22:32:34 < zyp> is this weird language day?
2018-05-29T22:33:27 < zyp> Hamilton, python is good for webdev, but I'm not sure django is the best solution
2018-05-29T22:33:41 < zyp> last I checked, flask was «the shit», but I'm not sure that still holds
2018-05-29T22:33:57 < Hamilton> lolz "the shit" :D I like it
2018-05-29T22:34:31 < Hamilton> So STM32 is "the shit" of embedded MCUs, right?
2018-05-29T22:35:15 < zyp> that's why we're here, isn't it?
2018-05-29T22:35:26 < Hamilton> :)
2018-05-29T22:40:35 < Turski> I think that Flask vs. Django is kind of CMSIS vs. STM32Cube
2018-05-29T22:40:49 < Thorn> I use Pyramid
2018-05-29T22:41:07 < Turski> I prefer Flask and CMSIS
2018-05-29T22:41:13 < zyp> pyramid I haven't heard about yet
2018-05-29T22:41:25 < zyp> I've used both flask and django
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2018-05-29T22:41:31 < Hamilton> Turski, STM32Cube generally wraps CMSIS..so Django wraps Flask?
2018-05-29T22:41:37 < zyp> no
2018-05-29T22:41:44 < zyp> but django goes further
2018-05-29T22:41:50 < Turski> Hamilton: well, ok, maybe bad example in that regard
2018-05-29T22:42:19 < zyp> django has a whole data model framework and gives you an admin interface automatically
2018-05-29T22:42:55 < Turski> (And I think STM32Cube is more bad than Django)
2018-05-29T22:43:04 < zyp> haha
2018-05-29T22:43:34 < zyp> it's been quite a few years since last I touched django, I weren't really aware people were still using it :)
2018-05-29T22:43:46 < Turski> Notable things to note here is that I've refused to use Django os STM32Cube, so don't take me too seriously
2018-05-29T22:44:05 < Hamilton> How you people manage embedded AND web-dev?
2018-05-29T22:44:05 < Turski> And it's been years since I did something with flask
2018-05-29T22:44:56 < Hamilton> So it was experiences from years ago
2018-05-29T22:45:14 < Hamilton> I mean embedded + webdev triggers the jackOfAllTrades signal to me
2018-05-29T22:45:18 < Turski> true
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2018-05-29T22:45:34 < Thorn> I also do android and a little ios
2018-05-29T22:45:39 < zyp> I built an online store backend in flask two years ago
2018-05-29T22:45:42 < Thorn> and wrote a couple qt apps
2018-05-29T22:45:49 < Turski> I've only tried some Sailfish OS apps on mobile area
2018-05-29T22:46:21 < zyp> Hamilton, I'm a jack of all trades, but I'm not claiming to be a webdev guru :)
2018-05-29T22:46:51 < invzim> he toggling pin mode with cube hal functions is too slow
2018-05-29T22:47:19 < zyp> invzim, are you surprised? :p
2018-05-29T22:47:20 < invzim> any cmsis gurus that have a register trick to switch from pull-down to pull-up on a specific pin?
2018-05-29T22:47:37 < zyp> haha, wtf are you doing?
2018-05-29T22:47:39 < Hamilton> invzim, Why CMSIS then?
2018-05-29T22:47:47 < Turski> invzim: ...
2018-05-29T22:47:49 < Hamilton> Just read the datasheet and find the register
2018-05-29T22:48:01 < Turski> invzim: cmon, just do it
2018-05-29T22:48:09 < invzim> gamefhm
2018-05-29T22:48:17 < invzim> zyp: floating input detection
2018-05-29T22:48:52 < zyp> like continously polling?
2018-05-29T22:49:16 < invzim> pretty much, in a loop
2018-05-29T22:49:28 < zyp> how many pins?
2018-05-29T22:49:30 < Turski> reg = reg & ~mask | val;
2018-05-29T22:49:34 < invzim> or haven't realyl decided yet, but figured it's a nice feature
2018-05-29T22:49:36 < invzim> one
2018-05-29T22:49:55 < zyp> huh, weird it's being too slow then
2018-05-29T22:50:27 < Adluc> looks like trolls are still hungry -_-
2018-05-29T22:50:50 < stvn> hi sir
2018-05-29T22:51:27 < stvn> where can i find it Adluc 
2018-05-29T22:51:34 < Adluc> weird language? like java for safety solutions?
2018-05-29T22:51:42 < zyp> invzim, anyway, if you just wanna toggle, you can just do GPIOx_PUPDR ^= 3 << (2 * n)
2018-05-29T22:51:51 < zyp> for Pxn
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2018-05-29T22:53:02 < zyp> it needs to be in either pullup or pulldown mode already, otherwise it'll toggle between no pull and undefined :)
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2018-05-29T23:03:16 < invzim> mmm, I may have been a little quick to blame HAL for my problems :)
2018-05-29T23:03:32 < invzim> thanks anyho, i really should dig a little deeper than HAL soon
2018-05-29T23:04:15 < Thorn> HAL is too deep for me so I work directly with registers
2018-05-29T23:11:16 < stvn> the registers are fun
2018-05-29T23:21:54 < karlp> flask is not "the shit" but it it's a lot simpler than django when you're not trying to run a newspaper.
2018-05-29T23:22:48 < karlp> tehse days "the shit" is all node
2018-05-29T23:24:05 < invzim> I guess the laws of physics dictate that it takes a little while for a floating signal to transition between low and high when you change the pulls
2018-05-29T23:25:15 < karlp> have you met my friend, the RC time constant?
2018-05-29T23:25:51 < invzim> I heard your friends are no good
2018-05-29T23:26:00 < zyp> karlp, node doesn't count :)
2018-05-29T23:27:20 < karlp> why note?
2018-05-29T23:27:30 < karlp> you were explicitly tying yourselves to python? that's crazy talk :)
2018-05-29T23:28:28 < zyp> I just think it's bad enough to have to do javascript on the frontend, fuck off with having it on the backend too :p
2018-05-29T23:28:33 < nn77> recommended front-ends for gdb for debugging?
2018-05-29T23:28:42 < zyp> gdb
2018-05-29T23:28:43 < karlp> gdb-tui?
2018-05-29T23:28:57 < nn77> I couldn't find gdbtui in the repository
2018-05-29T23:28:59 < karlp> zyp: well, there's gotta be a plus in not having to change languages.
2018-05-29T23:29:04 < karlp> get a better repository
2018-05-29T23:29:25 < karlp> you can normally get it from normal gdb with a command line arg,
2018-05-29T23:29:31 < zyp> nn77, what do you need the frontend to do that plain gdb doesn't already?
2018-05-29T23:29:35 < karlp> if your "repo" disabled curses, seriously, get a better repo
2018-05-29T23:30:01 < nn77> zyp, I honestly don't know. I just figured being able to see multiple windows of info would be useful.
2018-05-29T23:30:45 < zyp> ddd maybe?
2018-05-29T23:32:24 < karlp> fuck no.
2018-05-29T23:32:28 < karlp> god, it's hideous
2018-05-29T23:32:43 < karlp> maybe if you're using fvwm2 or cde or something as your desktop, you might find ddd acceptable
2018-05-29T23:32:57 < karlp> people talk about nemivar being useful, but as a pure debugger, it seems pretty poitnless to me.
2018-05-29T23:33:21 < karlp> nn77: netbeans does a pretty good job of talking to gdbserver from openocd, you can do source level debugging there
2018-05-29T23:35:43 < zyp> haha
2018-05-29T23:36:06 < zyp> I haven't really tried other frontends, but ddd works
2018-05-29T23:36:15 < zyp> well, I haven't tried ddd for embedded either
2018-05-29T23:36:19 < zyp> but it gets the job done
2018-05-29T23:36:44 < zyp> also, last time I tried it was probably 10+ years ago
2018-05-29T23:36:50 < zyp> :)
2018-05-29T23:39:34 < invzim> pretty happy with truestudio and it's debugger
2018-05-29T23:39:59 < Steffanx> Im glad to hear that invzim 
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2018-05-29T23:41:13 < nn77> I downloaded truestudio on my windows machine but ultimately decided I was better off setting up a linux box with openocd and gdb
2018-05-29T23:41:32 < nn77> so I've been able to SSH into that, build nuttx, and get it running on the stm.
2018-05-29T23:41:42 < invzim> yeah, I would agree - until I found out I could get ubuntu as a windows10 app 
2018-05-29T23:42:30 < invzim> so one windows 10 system, instead of 3 systems (altium for windows, centos for quartus, ubuntu something for stm32)
2018-05-29T23:42:45 < karlp> truestudio runs on linxu too....
2018-05-29T23:42:49 < nn77> I'm still on OrCAD for windows
2018-05-29T23:43:06 < nn77> my anti-malware program won't let me install windows10
2018-05-29T23:43:34 < invzim> I used to have a virtualbox'es for dev linux, native is SO much faster
2018-05-29T23:43:52 < karlp> linux for windows or whatever it's called should be pretty good these days too
2018-05-29T23:43:55 < karlp> or msys2 or whatever
2018-05-29T23:43:57 < invzim> linux on bare metal is probably OK, but doesn't solve my altium problem
2018-05-29T23:44:00 < PaulFertser> Hey innovators. Been to a conference where china cloners presented their rad-hard Virtex 5, fully compatible with ISE: https://i.imgur.com/mBp5rXv.jpg
2018-05-29T23:44:52 < zyp> does the chips also come with plaster dust included?
2018-05-29T23:44:53 < invzim> karlp: probably what I'm using - just nice to have a bash shell with git and whatnot and easy access to the whole filesystem + apt-get for whenever you need something
2018-05-29T23:45:39 < nn77> yeah, opening up a terminal to a local unix distro vs. ssh is almost invisible.
2018-05-29T23:45:48 < nn77> the difference is almost invisible.
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2018-05-29T23:49:39 < PaulFertser> zyp: that was a poor attempt of dealing with improper lighting conditions when taking a photo, and it wasn't my idea. How do you like the specs?
2018-05-29T23:51:42 < stvn> i liked the picture
2018-05-29T23:51:48 < zyp> I'm not much of a fpga guy, sorry
2018-05-29T23:52:03 < stvn> sounds like it can withstand a nuclear blast is all i got from it
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2018-05-30T00:03:17 < englishman> cool
2018-05-30T00:14:53 < stvn> THE CRYPTO CRAZE
2018-05-30T00:15:41 < zyp> stvn, how are your cryptokitties?
2018-05-30T00:15:47 < Steffanx> Hedde?
2018-05-30T00:16:06 < stvn> zyp: what is a cryptokitty
2018-05-30T00:16:14 < BrainDamage> cryptokitties are obsolete
2018-05-30T00:16:31 < zyp> stvn, dunno, but they're part of the crypto craze
2018-05-30T00:16:32 < Steffanx> Hows Coinlie today stvn?
2018-05-30T00:16:33 < BrainDamage> https://crypko.ai/
2018-05-30T00:16:50 < stvn> wuts coinlie
2018-05-30T00:16:59 < BrainDamage> AI-generated anime girls is the new cryptokitty
2018-05-30T00:17:06 < Steffanx> Your cryptokitty?
2018-05-30T00:17:12 < stvn> that wouldn't surprise me BrainDamage 
2018-05-30T00:17:15 < zyp> BrainDamage, cool
2018-05-30T00:17:24 < zyp> maybe I should spend the bitcoin I got from Steffanx on that
2018-05-30T00:17:35 < stvn> the cat is good.... stares at me from a distance 
2018-05-30T00:17:41 < Steffanx> How much is that now zyp?
2018-05-30T00:18:11 < zyp> dunno
2018-05-30T00:18:23 < Steffanx> And why do you knownthis BrainDamage?
2018-05-30T00:18:32 < Steffanx> Anime -_-
2018-05-30T00:19:17 < zyp> Steffanx, bit over $9, looks like
2018-05-30T00:19:35 < Steffanx> Hmp
2018-05-30T00:19:42 < stvn> idk what we talkin bout
2018-05-30T00:20:30 < Steffanx> Do you ever?
2018-05-30T00:20:42 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: i follow a bit cryptoshit
2018-05-30T00:21:17 < BrainDamage> At a local bar I meet every now and then a local bank's director, and we start rambling about cryptocurrencies
2018-05-30T00:23:37 < Aditya> for serious projects is libopencm3 any good?
2018-05-30T00:23:54 < zyp> serious how?
2018-05-30T00:24:02 < stvn> i wonder if macdonald's accept bitkoin
2018-05-30T00:24:04 < Aditya> DSP kind.
2018-05-30T00:24:09 < zyp> licensing might be a hassle for commercial stuff
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2018-05-30T00:24:16 < zyp> not impossible, just a hassle to comply with
2018-05-30T00:25:00 < Aditya> for libopencm3?
2018-05-30T00:25:23 < zyp> it's LGPL, so for a closed source commercial project, you'd have to provide linkable binaries
2018-05-30T00:25:47 < Aditya> On one side can I move over to keil arm?
2018-05-30T00:25:52 < stvn> or do nothing like hyperkin did with retron5
2018-05-30T00:26:00 < zyp> since LGPL requires the LGPLed part to be exchangable
2018-05-30T00:26:02 < stvn> the FSF don't have the money to take legal action
2018-05-30T00:26:45 < zyp> well, yeah, it's all theoretical until anybody tries enforcing the terms, but still :)
2018-05-30T00:26:49 < karlp> you can also jsut make the written offer that you will provide it....
2018-05-30T00:27:01 < karlp> and it's only to people uyou distribute too, and ....
2018-05-30T00:27:14 < karlp> but yes, it's definitely more work to be properly compliant.
2018-05-30T00:27:22 < BrainDamage> karlp will be after your ass
2018-05-30T00:27:34 < BrainDamage> in a potentially literal way
2018-05-30T00:27:39 < zyp> haha
2018-05-30T00:27:43 < stvn> it'd be great if someone does take action
2018-05-30T00:28:03 < karlp> (I wouldnt' start any new projects commercially using libopencm3)
2018-05-30T00:28:31 < zyp> but I mean, a commercial product doesn't have to be closed source
2018-05-30T00:28:38 < karlp> indeed, there's that too.
2018-05-30T00:28:45 < Steffanx> But what would you use? ll stuff?
2018-05-30T00:28:53 < zyp> I've purchased at least two different products based on libopencm3
2018-05-30T00:29:55 < Steffanx> Now you mention that. Looked at the bmp from 1bitsquared today, but 75 euro for it, is a bit much imho.
2018-05-30T00:30:12 < Aditya> dsp is mostly mission critical stuff, so basing it upon libopencm3 feels like some huge waste of time and support is karlp opening and closing issues in git.
2018-05-30T00:30:48 < zyp> Steffanx, better go pay $400 for a jlink instead then :)
2018-05-30T00:31:00 < stvn> i'd buy bmp just for the name of it
2018-05-30T00:31:07 < stvn> black magic lol
2018-05-30T00:31:20 < karlp> Aditya: what doyou mean by "opening and closing issues" ?
2018-05-30T00:31:33 < Steffanx> No, id rather clone it, zyp
2018-05-30T00:31:37 < Steffanx> My time is free
2018-05-30T00:31:48 < zyp> Steffanx, cool
2018-05-30T00:31:49 < karlp> Steffanx: possibly laks.
2018-05-30T00:32:03 < karlp> possibly just st shit and suck it up.
2018-05-30T00:32:07 < karlp> no idea really,
2018-05-30T00:32:17 < zyp> Steffanx, I still like emeb's design
2018-05-30T00:32:48 < Aditya> Well I saw your git page that had some nvic that the guy did not respond and you closing on the month of may, by far the most useful thing I have ever come across regarding libopencm3
2018-05-30T00:33:18 < stvn> i got my genuine keil ulink2 for like $50aud 2nd hand
2018-05-30T00:33:34 < karlp> is it a good thing that I closed a vague ticket that didn't give me any feedback? or is this a bad thing in your mind?
2018-05-30T00:33:39 < stvn> think it was like $800+aud new
2018-05-30T00:34:23 < stvn> karlp: i think it is part of the job
2018-05-30T00:34:35 < Aditya> it is a very good thing that you replied the ticked and closed it as it helped me to clear my issue karlp .
2018-05-30T00:34:36 < Steffanx> Ulink meh.
2018-05-30T00:35:05 < zyp> Aditya, which issue are we talking about?
2018-05-30T00:35:24 < Steffanx> Yeah looked at that too, zyp. But id like a tiny lvl shifter.
2018-05-30T00:36:16 < Aditya> some long standing issue regarding the make in libopencm3 that karlp handled and I came across in git zyp 
2018-05-30T00:36:26 < zyp> Steffanx, gonna make your own design or fab an existing one?
2018-05-30T00:37:05 < zyp> Aditya, ah, haha, now I follow
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2018-05-30T00:37:17 < Aditya> So moving over to keil good or bad idea?
2018-05-30T00:37:22 < Steffanx> Idk zyp
2018-05-30T00:37:43 < zyp> Aditya, depends what you wanna do and how much money you're prepared to throw at it
2018-05-30T00:37:45 < karlp> Aditya: ok, great :)
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2018-05-30T00:38:07 < BrainDamage> i believe we need a flowchart
2018-05-30T00:38:07 < Laurenceb_> muh heritage
2018-05-30T00:38:11 < karlp> I've done much on locm3 in a little while though :| it's deserving of time again.
2018-05-30T00:38:16 < BrainDamage> first question: are you dongs?
2018-05-30T00:38:24 < BrainDamage> if yes, go to keil
2018-05-30T00:40:03 < Steffanx> If no?
2018-05-30T00:40:04 < Aditya> nobody can be dongs , BrainDamage  and no I am not planning on throwing much money as accounts are shallow as kiddie pool, zyp .
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2018-05-30T00:40:19 < Aditya> So what options do I have in hand.
2018-05-30T00:40:21 < Steffanx> F0/L0 keil is free.
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2018-05-30T00:41:03 < englishman> ^^^
2018-05-30T00:41:33 < englishman> BrainDamage>	first question: are you pro?
2018-05-30T00:41:35 < englishman> fixed
2018-05-30T00:41:37 < Steffanx> Dont you like my keil-PR?
2018-05-30T00:41:52 < stvn> Laurenceb_: welcome
2018-05-30T00:42:05 < Steffanx> Dont push that button, stvn
2018-05-30T00:42:23 < englishman> this nissan runs windows in the media console
2018-05-30T00:42:23 < stvn> the keil button?
2018-05-30T00:42:33 < Laurenceb_> the qtbutton
2018-05-30T00:42:38 < zyp> englishman, haha
2018-05-30T00:42:42 < Steffanx> My car runs windows and android nowadays
2018-05-30T00:43:05 < zyp> idk what my car runs, I think it might be qnx or some shit
2018-05-30T00:43:15 < zyp> I don't really care, it supports android auto
2018-05-30T00:43:20 < englishman> blackberry's best investment
2018-05-30T00:43:21 < srk> muhehe https://lpaste.net/4594483033729400832
2018-05-30T00:43:24 < zyp> hehe
2018-05-30T00:43:35 < Aditya> Steffanx, F0/L0??
2018-05-30T00:43:41 < Steffanx> Stm32
2018-05-30T00:43:48 < zyp> englishman, I actually worked on one of those phones
2018-05-30T00:43:56 < englishman> cool
2018-05-30T00:44:05 < zyp> or, well
2018-05-30T00:44:16 < Laurenceb_> linux by microsoft
2018-05-30T00:44:24 < emeb> zyp: this one? http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/bmp2/index.html
2018-05-30T00:44:33 < stvn> the poisoned kernel
2018-05-30T00:44:43 < zyp> emeb, yeah, they're awesome
2018-05-30T00:44:49 < zyp> still use them
2018-05-30T00:44:49 < emeb> :)
2018-05-30T00:45:02 < Laurenceb_> I have yet to make a bmp work
2018-05-30T00:45:02 < emeb> So do I - got one sitting here right now.
2018-05-30T00:45:11 < Laurenceb_> just get gdb errors
2018-05-30T00:45:12 < zyp> kinda running out of them, I've been giving too many away :p
2018-05-30T00:45:28 < emeb> zyp: didn't dongs build a bunch of those?
2018-05-30T00:45:42 < zyp> I assembled 5
2018-05-30T00:45:46 < emeb> I know I've got a few green PCBs here that I didn't get from OSHpark.
2018-05-30T00:45:51 < zyp> yeah
2018-05-30T00:46:16 < zyp> I talked to dongs later and said he could send me the ones he assembled if he didn't want them anymore, but he couldn't find them
2018-05-30T00:46:29 < emeb> bummer
2018-05-30T00:46:34 < Steffanx> Dongs, bmp? Wut?
2018-05-30T00:46:36 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2018-05-30T00:46:40 < emeb> ikr?
2018-05-30T00:46:59 < zyp> Steffanx, that's where I got the pcbs for mine from :)
2018-05-30T00:47:23 < BrainDamage> sooner or later dongs will turn out to be satoshi nakamoto
2018-05-30T00:47:31 < BrainDamage> it'd fit perfectly
2018-05-30T00:47:34 < Laurenceb_> kek
2018-05-30T00:47:36 < stvn> are we trying to wake him up?
2018-05-30T00:47:45 < Steffanx> He is awake.
2018-05-30T00:47:51 < Laurenceb_> woke
2018-05-30T00:47:56 < karlp> BrainDamage: hah
2018-05-30T00:48:02 < stvn> i thought his workstation must be lit up like chernobyl
2018-05-30T00:48:07 < emeb> so far beyond woke.
2018-05-30T00:48:09 < stvn> DING DING DING
2018-05-30T00:48:16 < BrainDamage> stvn: don't you mean fukushima?
2018-05-30T00:48:21 < stvn> they're donging again!
2018-05-30T00:48:25 < Laurenceb_> >A judge has called for a nationwide programme to round the points of kitchen knives
2018-05-30T00:48:35 < stvn> BrainDamage: i wonder how old fukushima is going
2018-05-30T00:48:36 < Laurenceb_> anti britbong memes are real
2018-05-30T00:48:56 < emeb> soon no utensils allowed except sporks
2018-05-30T00:48:57 < stvn> memes..... hmm
2018-05-30T00:48:59 < karlp> srk: what's the "Just" stuff for the eeprom in your shitz?
2018-05-30T00:49:55 < srk> karlp: optional
2018-05-30T00:50:07 < karlp> strange word for optional,
2018-05-30T00:50:10 < srk> karlp: defMCU uses Nothing 
2018-05-30T00:50:12 < karlp> and why is eep optional?
2018-05-30T00:50:14 < srk> type is called Maybe
2018-05-30T00:50:23 < karlp> isn't this meant to be super descriptive and easy to read?
2018-05-30T00:50:23 < srk> some MCUs have EEProm
2018-05-30T00:50:39 < srk> not really, it's all generated :)
2018-05-30T00:50:46 < karlp> so why the special format for the ones that declare it?
2018-05-30T00:50:51 < srk> to be used in more code generation
2018-05-30T00:50:52 < karlp> why not jsut not decalred vs declared?
2018-05-30T00:51:03 < srk> it's haskell file 
2018-05-30T00:51:08 < srk> you can compile it with ghci
2018-05-30T00:51:11 < srk> *ghc
2018-05-30T00:51:30 < srk> Maybe type is a built-in type
2018-05-30T00:51:30 < Laurenceb_> >haskell
2018-05-30T00:51:36 < srk> Maybe a = Just a | Nothing
2018-05-30T00:51:41 < Laurenceb_> >unironically
2018-05-30T00:52:06 < srk> so Maybe Integer can be for example Just 12 indicating there's a value or Nothing
2018-05-30T00:52:26 < srk> you use that to pattern match on possible empty value or present value
2018-05-30T00:53:52 < karlp> yeah, that all sounds absurdly complicated for doign optional.
2018-05-30T00:53:55 < karlp> winning the hearts and minds.
2018-05-30T00:54:22 < srk> it's a simple but powerful concept when used consistently thru ecosystem
2018-05-30T00:54:36 < srk> instead of shit like nil
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2018-05-30T00:55:20 < srk> cause when you see a data wrapped in Maybe you immediately know there might be Nothing and that you need to handle that casde
2018-05-30T00:55:23 < srk> *case
2018-05-30T00:55:57 < srk> actually you have to because of the type system
2018-05-30T00:56:01 < BrainDamage> it sorta makes sense because one declares it as data type while the other is a threestate condition that can be set for anything
2018-05-30T00:56:04 < mawk> stm32l152re, big or little endian ?
2018-05-30T00:56:05 < srk> so no surprises
2018-05-30T00:56:13 < BrainDamage> which forces you to handle for potentially every variable
2018-05-30T00:56:16 < srk> yes
2018-05-30T00:56:24 < srk> there's a similar data type called Either 
2018-05-30T00:56:31 < srk> which can be either Left or Right
2018-05-30T00:57:00 < srk> left often indicates error with an error message, while Right is e.g. the parsed value if parsing was successful
2018-05-30T00:57:19 < stvn> o.O
2018-05-30T00:57:34 < srk> data Either a b = Left a | Right b
2018-05-30T01:06:37 < karlp> yeah, back on winning the hearts and minds right there.
2018-05-30T01:06:46 < karlp> talk about programming languages for cs purists.
2018-05-30T01:08:07 < srk> it's about not reinventing a wheel everytime you need optional value or case for two different ones
2018-05-30T01:08:55 < srk> and I'm not a CS purist. I was at the uni, now I'm doing practical stuff with haskell 
2018-05-30T01:09:06 < srk> which is stm32 programming for example :D
2018-05-30T01:10:20 < Thorn> in kotlin, var x: Int? can be null, var y: Int cannot. it's very convenient
2018-05-30T01:11:01 < srk> interesting
2018-05-30T01:11:37 < srk> but man, oop is a twisted concept
2018-05-30T01:13:12 < zyp> twisted how? oop is a neat way of namespacing
2018-05-30T01:13:51 < srk> it forces you to adopt all these oop concepts instead of just dealing with data
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2018-05-30T01:14:30 < zyp> instead of a bunch of redundant incantations like foo_bar_blah(foo_bar_p); you can do foo_bar_p->blah();
2018-05-30T01:14:46 < zyp> simplifying any function that takes a context pointer
2018-05-30T01:15:00 < zyp> that's the main reason I like OOP
2018-05-30T01:15:10 < srk> well yeah, I could reduce that sentence to imperative programming is a twisted concept :D
2018-05-30T01:15:27 < zyp> I'm not saying people don't use OOP to do weird stuff, I'm saying you don't have to
2018-05-30T01:15:37 < srk> because again, you WANT to deal with the data, not all the boilerplate around
2018-05-30T01:15:49 < zyp> java is pretty fucked up with the requirement that everything has to be wrapped in a class
2018-05-30T01:16:06 < srk> which is a core concept of functional programming, you're just transforming data from type A to type B
2018-05-30T01:16:10 < zyp> and this whole setter/getter stuff is pretty fucking annoying too
2018-05-30T01:16:17 < srk> yeah
2018-05-30T01:16:25 < zyp> python solves that in a nice way
2018-05-30T01:16:27 < srk> it gets annoying quite quickly
2018-05-30T01:17:09 < srk> python has it own bunch of issues :D
2018-05-30T01:17:15 < srk> *its
2018-05-30T01:17:25 < zyp> speed, mostly
2018-05-30T01:17:30 < srk> also types :D
2018-05-30T01:17:36 < zyp> pff
2018-05-30T01:17:39 < zyp> fuck types
2018-05-30T01:17:43 < srk> py2/3 is still a nightmare
2018-05-30T01:17:49 < zyp> why?
2018-05-30T01:18:04 < srk> cause bunch of the ecosystem is still on py2 :D
2018-05-30T01:18:33 < BrainDamage> if you consider 'the ecosystem' as the sum of every program in existance, there's always going to be
2018-05-30T01:18:33 < srk> types are a help for a programmer to catch errors during compile time
2018-05-30T01:18:51 < srk> it's not a burden but an aid :D
2018-05-30T01:18:51 < BrainDamage> initially it was a shitshow, but nowdays all the popular libs are py3 ready
2018-05-30T01:19:01 < srk> yeah
2018-05-30T01:19:06 < srk> finally! :)
2018-05-30T01:19:16 < srk> it took only like 10 years
2018-05-30T01:19:17 < BrainDamage> it's been like this since years
2018-05-30T01:19:29 < srk> I know, I did a shitton of python
2018-05-30T01:19:50 < srk> but I'm still confronted with py2 only stuff during deployments
2018-05-30T01:19:52 < zyp> my experience so far have been «meh, I'll keep using python2, it still works», followed by «hmm, asyncio seems nice, I'll give python3 a chance», followed by «oh, getting used to writing print() was not so hard, and all these other small improvements are awesome»
2018-05-30T01:21:20 < zyp> at this point, if I ran into a non-python3 lib in a new project, I'd either fix it or find a replacement, I guess
2018-05-30T01:21:34 < srk> but again seeing python fail in production is just amusing
2018-05-30T01:21:37 < zyp> so far I haven't ran into that issue
2018-05-30T01:21:40 < srk> by hitting code paths not covered by tests
2018-05-30T01:21:46 < srk> or not even ran by anyone, ever :D
2018-05-30T01:22:04 < srk> stuff easily prevented if you have types
2018-05-30T01:22:39 < srk> with py3 you actually have support for type annotation
2018-05-30T01:22:56 < srk> in past you have to use fun stuff like zope.interface
2018-05-30T01:23:00 < srk> you've had to
2018-05-30T01:23:02 < srk> *
2018-05-30T01:24:05 < zyp> or you could just stop getting hung up on shit like that :p
2018-05-30T01:25:52 < Thorn> dma in lpc82x is far more advanced than in stm32
2018-05-30T01:25:56 < zyp> go with java or some shit if you want nazi typechecking
2018-05-30T01:26:03 < srk> it's about not wasting time running around hunting bugs all the time :)
2018-05-30T01:26:28 < srk> I switched from python to haskell due to this, so.. :D
2018-05-30T01:27:05 < zyp> Thorn, how so? does it do dma-descriptors for scatter-gather or something?
2018-05-30T01:27:57 < Thorn> it supports linked lists of descriptors
2018-05-30T01:28:10 < zyp> ah, yeah, that's what I meant
2018-05-30T01:28:49 < zyp> the dma engine in stuff like ethernet cores also does that, usually
2018-05-30T01:29:27 < Thorn> you can do your own ping-pong or trigger dma on dma complete w/o interrupts etc.
2018-05-30T01:29:41 < zyp> looking at the UM
2018-05-30T01:29:44 < zyp> looks cool
2018-05-30T01:30:23 < zyp> wonder if it's turing complete
2018-05-30T01:30:31 < Thorn> but it looks like it requires a lot of sram for descriptors and is not easy to set up
2018-05-30T01:31:17 < Thorn> also no dma requests from timers (but there are also dma triggers)
2018-05-30T01:31:33 < zyp> what's the difference between a trigger and a request?
2018-05-30T01:31:51 < Thorn> they're different
2018-05-30T01:32:01 < zyp> yes, but I asked how
2018-05-30T01:32:54 < zyp> ah
2018-05-30T01:33:13 < Thorn> triggers do not get acknowledged unlike requests if I understood it right
2018-05-30T01:33:35 < Thorn> and they can trigger bursts, not just single transfers
2018-05-30T01:33:47 < zyp> requests have a 1:1 relationship between periph request and dma channel, triggers go via a mux and can trigger multiple channels from same source
2018-05-30T01:35:29 < Thorn> also 18 dma channels, not 5 like in f0x0
2018-05-30T01:36:14 < zyp> do they have any related devices with usb?
2018-05-30T01:38:00 < Thorn> lpc15 only
2018-05-30T01:38:13 < Thorn> none in 8 afaik
2018-05-30T01:38:38 < Thorn> and 15 aren't particularly cheap
2018-05-30T01:41:12 < zyp> hmm, but they do have SWM
2018-05-30T01:45:20 < stvn> hi sir
2018-05-30T01:50:57 < Thorn> lpc15xx are actually advertised as motor control mcus
2018-05-30T01:51:43 < stvn> reinstall the amplifier
2018-05-30T01:52:05 < stvn> wrong window
2018-05-30T01:52:18 < Thorn> but, lpc8 only have 2 nvic priority bits unlike f0 which have 4
2018-05-30T01:52:51 < Thorn> so 4 interrupt priority levels, almost like stm8 lol
2018-05-30T01:53:01 < Thorn> and 8 dma priority levels
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2018-05-30T01:57:04 < Thorn> >Up to 28 PWM outputs total.
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2018-05-30T02:55:43 < Laurenceb_> emdrive did stm32
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2018-05-30T03:49:17 < stvn> that's lethal man
2018-05-30T03:52:08 < Cracki> next they'll jail you for buying lemon juice
2018-05-30T03:56:37 < dongs> is this some gdb thing
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2018-05-30T04:12:52 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/8npepgu.jpg zyp ~5 years ago
2018-05-30T04:15:43 < Cracki> why is there a white dude holding up a sign full of moon runes
2018-05-30T04:16:13 < stvn> is that where you met him dongs?
2018-05-30T04:16:43 < Cracki> the google doc he links to seems to be his search for a waifu
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2018-05-30T04:17:01 < dongs> Cracki: thats the point ,lole
2018-05-30T04:17:07 < dongs> the sign says 'looking for girlfriend'
2018-05-30T04:17:09 < Cracki> fascinating
2018-05-30T04:17:13 < dongs> self-introduction @ qrcode
2018-05-30T04:17:54 < dongs> also for some reason he felt it was important to say that QRcode is not a line contact qrcode
2018-05-30T04:18:09 < dongs> and that its jsut a text fil
2018-05-30T04:18:10 < dongs> e
2018-05-30T04:18:22 < dongs> seems higly autistic
2018-05-30T04:18:28 < stvn> so definitely autistic as fuck
2018-05-30T04:18:50 < Cracki> he hates inkskins
2018-05-30T04:18:52 < stvn> worse than most cases
2018-05-30T04:19:15 < Cracki> eh, let him have his waifu if he can get one like this
2018-05-30T04:19:29 < dongs> maybe he can get one who wants to learn english
2018-05-30T04:19:31 < Cracki> at least he's not hiding in a basement
2018-05-30T04:19:43 < dongs> who knows, maybe he IS when he's not standing next to that pole
2018-05-30T04:20:21 < stvn> well.... what kind of social skills would you have if you're walking around with a fucking qr code banner :\\
2018-05-30T04:20:33 < Cracki> :P
2018-05-30T04:21:10 < Cracki> I can see the range of autism where you're anxious about social contact, but the far side, where you dgaf, is beyond me
2018-05-30T04:21:41 < stvn> well just any anxieties... completely different to fullblown fedora autism
2018-05-30T04:22:02 < Cracki> there he is posing with his nibbas https://twitter.com/_ESS_EM_DEE/status/952421068588879878
2018-05-30T04:22:22 < dongs> why the fuck is his name SMD
2018-05-30T04:22:27 < dongs> is he a fucking capacitor
2018-05-30T04:22:30 < Cracki> there he is, orzing like a weeb https://twitter.com/_ESS_EM_DEE/status/998485620073807873
2018-05-30T04:22:33 < stvn> suck me dick
2018-05-30T04:22:35 < dongs> actually: its stvn
2018-05-30T04:22:38 < stvn> SMD
2018-05-30T04:22:51 < stvn> yeah i'm totally going to jp
2018-05-30T04:23:37 < Cracki> aaaaah the fedoras that keep pestering the professor in and after lectures... I wish we had lockers...
2018-05-30T04:23:53 < stvn> truth be told someone mentioned travelling to jp... i did say something like no way man fuckin dong is there 
2018-05-30T04:24:03 < stvn> true_story
2018-05-30T04:24:39 < dongs> seriously tho this guy is living in fucking tokyo if he cant get laid then hes probly doing somethign wrong
2018-05-30T04:24:48 < dongs> unless hes liek 13 or someshit
2018-05-30T04:25:36 < stvn> he probably thinks japan is a nintendo game
2018-05-30T04:25:40 < englishman> dongs, seeing as zyp is married now, it worked
2018-05-30T04:25:49 < dongs> right
2018-05-30T04:26:02 < Cracki> well how _do_ you get laid in tokyo?
2018-05-30T04:26:05 < englishman> he learned from the best.
2018-05-30T04:26:13 < dongs> Cracki: just show up there.
2018-05-30T04:26:14 < dongs> be white
2018-05-30T04:26:22 < dongs> done
2018-05-30T04:26:28 < Cracki> oh, just that? I can manage that
2018-05-30T04:26:36 < englishman> and have lots of money
2018-05-30T04:26:41 < Cracki> what happens if you show up and are being white?
2018-05-30T04:26:49 < stvn> shot
2018-05-30T04:26:52 < dongs> that helps but not strictly necessary
2018-05-30T04:26:53 < Cracki> strike the money, I'm not paying for shit
2018-05-30T04:27:05 < englishman> then you wont be going to japan
2018-05-30T04:27:14 < stvn> i hear japs are more racist than anyone
2018-05-30T04:27:16 < Cracki> let's say a genie teleports me there
2018-05-30T04:27:23 < PeterM> Cracki you going to swim to tokyo then?
2018-05-30T04:27:28 < Cracki> japs know how to keep their society
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2018-05-30T04:27:56 < Cracki> it almost sounds like japs would be fangirling over white people?
2018-05-30T04:28:21 < Cracki> would it help if I recited german poems and sang german songs?
2018-05-30T04:28:43 < Cracki> I think they still like the relationship they had with germany back then
2018-05-30T04:29:37 < stvn> i wonder if they're still upset about the hiroshima bomb
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2018-05-30T04:34:23 < Cracki> they would be more pissed if the area were still radioactive like chernobyl
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2018-05-30T04:37:59 < Cracki> >at Chernobyl, at least seven *tons* of nuclear fuel escaped into the atmosphere
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2018-05-30T04:54:13 < jadew> I already knew japan is great
2018-05-30T04:54:17 < jadew> too bad I never made it there
2018-05-30T04:55:06 < jadew> hacklang sucks
2018-05-30T04:55:31 < jadew> it's like it's trying to enforce some coding standard through the language
2018-05-30T04:55:48 < jadew> so despite the fact that the engine is capable of doing some things, it refuses to do them
2018-05-30T04:56:19 < jadew> my entire experience with it felt like I was fighting the language
2018-05-30T04:56:34 < jadew> no wonder it has virtually no community around it
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2018-05-30T05:44:58 < Cracki> "hacklang"? looks like a cross between php and go
2018-05-30T05:46:24 < Cracki> newest attempt at Blub, it seems http://wiki.c2.com/?BlubParadox
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2018-05-30T05:49:15 < Cracki> cert for hacklang.org is fucked
2018-05-30T05:49:26 < Cracki> their "generics" code sample has no generics in it
2018-05-30T05:49:32 < Cracki> what hipster shit is that
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2018-05-30T05:51:41 < Cracki> hah! "hack" is facebook's blub, like "go" is google's blub
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2018-05-30T08:54:42 < jadew> god... if you go to youtube from a fresh browser it's filled with filth
2018-05-30T08:55:17 < jadew> that's the essence of what everyone in the world is watching
2018-05-30T09:02:40 < R0b0t1> I had a guess about that actually
2018-05-30T09:02:54 < R0b0t1> I noticed from Linux I'd constantly get media with black people in it
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2018-05-30T09:03:07 < R0b0t1> I think my browser was being fingerprinted as some mobile OS browser
2018-05-30T09:03:28 < R0b0t1> And certain demographics are more likely to own a phone as their main internet device
2018-05-30T09:03:42 < R0b0t1> If I do it from a Mac it's different
2018-05-30T09:03:48 < jadew> really?
2018-05-30T09:03:54 < R0b0t1> Yeah
2018-05-30T09:04:06 < jadew> I'm gonna watch for that
2018-05-30T09:04:20 < R0b0t1> Like, the strangest part is I don't think anyone was doing this intentionally. I think whatever algorithm it was learned it.
2018-05-30T09:04:23 < jadew> but for me it's all local content, so it's hard to tell
2018-05-30T09:04:37 < jadew> yeah
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2018-05-30T09:36:46 < kakimir> fucking yes!
2018-05-30T09:37:12 < kakimir> actually writing to reserved bit in WDMOD caused watchdog not to run
2018-05-30T09:37:29 < kakimir> there is PROTECTED bit in windowed WDT
2018-05-30T09:38:15 < kakimir> and it's reserved in normal WDT
2018-05-30T09:39:33 < kakimir> reserved bits are far from passive
2018-05-30T09:40:56 < stvn> sigma-delta delta-sigma sigma-delta delta-sigma sigma-delta delta-sigma .... nobody can make up their mind
2018-05-30T09:44:19 < stvn> Steffan theepot
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2018-05-30T10:41:49 < kakimir> do peripherals keep their state as in mem values when I turn off the clock for those
2018-05-30T10:42:17 < kakimir> with SYSAHBCLKCTRL
2018-05-30T10:42:31 < zyp> is this a lpc question again?
2018-05-30T10:42:42 < kakimir> you can give general answer
2018-05-30T10:42:50 < zyp> probably
2018-05-30T10:42:52 < kakimir> or what would stm do
2018-05-30T10:43:38 < kakimir> is there any conciderations when I debug application that does deep sleeps
2018-05-30T10:43:46 < kakimir> in debugging perspective
2018-05-30T10:44:47 < kakimir> for now I don't change SWD pins to GPIO before sleeping
2018-05-30T10:45:56 < kakimir> I read from interwebs that if you set low enough adapter speed you can see wakeup interrupt being called
2018-05-30T10:46:23 < kakimir> (as I keep watchdog oscillator running mainclock)
2018-05-30T10:47:00 < kakimir> babby's first deep sleep
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2018-05-30T11:25:09 < Thorn> can I use a simple volatile bool as a semaphore that an IRQ handler sets when data is available / event has occurred and the main thread checks and resets when the data is processed? I don't need to mess with LDREX/STREX in this case, right?
2018-05-30T11:25:35 < dongs> i do and it works
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2018-05-30T11:28:16 < Thorn> (assuming the atomicity is provided by disabling interrupts between checking and resetting the bool or e.g. by the IRQ handler disabling the peripheral / IRQ completely)
2018-05-30T11:28:41 < dongs> i dont evne bother that
2018-05-30T11:28:45 < dongs> why would you disable irq?
2018-05-30T11:29:20 < dongs> in exti_irq() or something, fagbool = true; the in your main loop() just if (fagbol) { fagbool = false; do whatever ]
2018-05-30T11:29:33 < dongs> if by the time your do wahtever is done and another one hits, you'll pick it up on enxt loop iteration
2018-05-30T11:29:36 < dongs> where's the problem ehre?
2018-05-30T11:30:04 < dongs> is timing gonna be critical enough that you could get another hit while the code is doing if () part?
2018-05-30T11:30:31 < Thorn> what if the semaphore is data_packet_received
2018-05-30T11:30:56 < Thorn> and the ISR starts receiving new data while you're handling the old data
2018-05-30T11:31:27 < Thorn> try working out what happens if an interrupt fires in the middle of your code
2018-05-30T11:31:42 < Thorn> if there is a problem then you have a critical section and it needs to be protected
2018-05-30T11:31:42 < dongs> well, then yeah
2018-05-30T11:32:03 < Thorn> a common example would be a ring buffer
2018-05-30T11:32:42 < Thorn> ISR puts data in it, main thread gets data from it (or vice versa). what happens if interrupt fires in the middle of the get (or put)
2018-05-30T11:33:30 < Thorn> someone published a ring buffer that allegedly doesn't require disabling interrupts, I'm not sure if that is true
2018-05-30T11:35:13 < zyp> I remember discussing ringbuffers that works like that
2018-05-30T11:35:48 < zyp> the idea is simple: write pointer/index is only written by ISR, read by application code
2018-05-30T11:36:38 < zyp> application code compares write pointer and read pointer, if they don't match, you have new data in the buffer and can pop until they match
2018-05-30T11:37:23 < zyp> as long as the buffer never fills up, it'll work perfectly
2018-05-30T11:38:13 < zyp> if the write pointer gets written in the middle of a get, it's not a problem
2018-05-30T11:38:29 < Thorn> but you can't check if it's full in the put() then?
2018-05-30T11:38:41 < Thorn> because that would involve reading both pointers
2018-05-30T11:38:49 < jadew> I don't think you have to disable interrupts even if you do additional checks
2018-05-30T11:39:44 < jadew> as long as you move the pointer after you're done doing whatever you were doing, you should be fine
2018-05-30T11:39:58 < zyp> what jadew said
2018-05-30T11:40:48 < zyp> the read pointer must only be moved after fetching the data (because incrementing it marks the position as free)
2018-05-30T11:41:07 < zyp> the write pointer must only be moved after writing the data (because incrementing it marks the position as ready)
2018-05-30T11:42:00 < zyp> all free positions are owned by the producer, all ready positions are owned by the consumer
2018-05-30T11:42:25 < zyp> producer increments write pointer to hand over a position, consumer increments read pointer to hand over a position
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2018-05-30T11:45:14 < zyp> ldrex/strex is mainly useful if you have data that can be written by multiple actors
2018-05-30T11:45:20 < zyp> e.g. two threads, or a thread and a ISR
2018-05-30T11:49:03 < Thorn> but you can't block an ISR to wait for a thread, how would you use ldrex/strex then
2018-05-30T11:49:50 < zyp> if you get interrupted between ldrex/strex, the strex will always fail
2018-05-30T11:50:29 < zyp> and the thread can't preempt the ISR, so all operations from the ISR are atomic
2018-05-30T11:50:56 < Thorn> so the thread will have to repeat the critical section?
2018-05-30T11:51:35 < zyp> probably, depends exactly what you're trying to do
2018-05-30T11:52:35 < zyp> if this is a semaphore, the ISR can just do a plain increment
2018-05-30T11:53:04 < zyp> and then the thread would do something like strex(s, ldrex(s) - 1)
2018-05-30T11:53:47 < zyp> if it gets interrupted, strex will fail and you'd try over
2018-05-30T11:54:40 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/os/mutex.h <- look at this for an example
2018-05-30T11:56:03 < kakimir> how de fuq I turn off everything but timer creating a match for waking up when the code runs from flash and uses ram
2018-05-30T11:56:32 < zyp> depending on what the application needs to do, it can call lock() to loop until it succeeds, or it can call trylock() directly and then go something else if it fails
2018-05-30T11:56:52 < zyp> go do something else*
2018-05-30T11:56:58 < kakimir> datasheet says that turn off everything from SYSAHBCLKCTRL but watchdog or general purpose timer used to create match output to wakeup
2018-05-30T11:57:32 < kakimir> apparently PDRUNCFG can overrun some of those?
2018-05-30T11:57:52 < kakimir> like shut down flash etc.
2018-05-30T11:58:47 < c10ud> wow, pebble smartwatch had a fpga?
2018-05-30T11:58:48 < kakimir> so before sleeping I leave the core functions running + timer to create match and when it goes to sleep PDRUNCFG overruns configs for those core features
2018-05-30T11:59:10 < zyp> probably
2018-05-30T11:59:12 < dongs> c10ud: when you get people who have no idea with $10 mil, they will do wahtever
2018-05-30T11:59:23 < zyp> kakimir, you're not getting detailed lpc answers in this channel
2018-05-30T11:59:42 < c10ud> fml we should do our own stm32 watch with like 3 components and get $$$
2018-05-30T11:59:44 < dongs> https://trueos.org/ haha someone tweted this at me
2018-05-30T11:59:46 < Thorn> until I study it well enough lol
2018-05-30T12:00:18 < zyp> c10ud, isn't there already a bunch of them?
2018-05-30T12:00:43 < c10ud> idk but they lack industrialization and proper software I guess
2018-05-30T12:01:42 < zyp> http://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/steval-wesu1.html <- there's even an official reference design
2018-05-30T12:02:47 < c10ud> ah, nice
2018-05-30T12:02:52 < dongs> heh ive seen that
2018-05-30T12:02:56 < dongs> dumbpal bought
2018-05-30T12:02:59 < dongs> its probly still in his drawer
2018-05-30T12:05:06 < stvn> no st-meatspin?
2018-05-30T12:05:25 < c10ud> hardware is dumb, problem is when you want to make it seem like a real watch, then it's $$$
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2018-05-30T12:10:29 < kakimir> keil
2018-05-30T12:10:48 < kakimir> there is circular oled displays in ali
2018-05-30T12:11:00 < kakimir> and iirc. with really high resolution
2018-05-30T12:11:36 < stvn> keil what?
2018-05-30T12:11:46 < kakimir> just pumpin
2018-05-30T12:11:49 < stvn> ah
2018-05-30T12:11:51 < kakimir> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/1-39-amoled-smart-watch-display_60242512346.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.33.32645f98K6OXRA
2018-05-30T12:11:52 < c10ud> the dream of every developer
2018-05-30T12:12:06 < emeryth> better resolution so you can better see your battery running out
2018-05-30T12:12:38 < kakimir> my samsuck phone shows clock all the time
2018-05-30T12:12:53 < kakimir> I think it might run on low framerate and partially enabled panel
2018-05-30T12:13:00 < Hamilton> kakimir, samsuck -> added to dictionary
2018-05-30T12:13:18 < kakimir> it's not of my invention
2018-05-30T12:13:23 < kakimir> AvE calls it samsuck
2018-05-30T12:13:40 < stvn> where does AvE come from?
2018-05-30T12:13:49 < kakimir> idk
2018-05-30T12:13:52 < kakimir> canada
2018-05-30T12:14:04 < stvn> i wonder if he has an ED page
2018-05-30T12:14:08 < stvn> keep your dick in a vice!
2018-05-30T12:14:43 < kakimir> on the vice
2018-05-30T12:19:53 < Hamilton> Any nifty command-line tool to convert pdf to png?
2018-05-30T12:20:09  * stvn scratches head
2018-05-30T12:20:11 < BrainDamage> depends on your os
2018-05-30T12:20:15 < Hamilton> win7
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2018-05-30T12:20:29 < kakimir> screenshot
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2018-05-30T12:20:45 < Hamilton> currently downloading ImageMagick
2018-05-30T12:20:49 < kakimir> how about imagemagick
2018-05-30T12:21:01 < kakimir> it can do most anything
2018-05-30T12:21:11 < Hamilton> I already have a solution with GIMP -> export as png but it is not fast :\
2018-05-30T12:26:08 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: pdftocairo is part of poppler.
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2018-05-30T12:29:06 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: or with Ghostscript: gs -sDevice=png16m -sOutputFile="pic-1.png" input.pdf
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2018-05-30T12:33:34 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0vfALQ_n54
2018-05-30T12:33:37 < PaulFertser> https://www.opentechguides.com/how-to/article/tools/42/pdf-to-pnf.html
2018-05-30T12:36:05 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, Thanks for the suggestions :D
2018-05-30T12:36:11 < Hamilton> Went with "λ magick convert -density 300 -antialias "The-Generic-STM32F103-Pinout-Diagram.pdf" -resize 2048x -quality 1 00 "out.png""
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2018-05-30T13:10:10 < stvn> dr.b
2018-05-30T13:12:19 < stvn> i remember ams
2018-05-30T13:12:47 < stvn> and their 5311
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2018-05-30T13:44:04 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4sbzYsI2f0
2018-05-30T13:45:54 < kakimir> my sleep works
2018-05-30T13:46:02 < kakimir> apparently
2018-05-30T13:46:29 < stvn> want to eat a whale with me?
2018-05-30T13:46:58 < kakimir> dongs, do you eat them sea mammals?
2018-05-30T13:47:29 < kakimir> things seem to fuque up after sleep
2018-05-30T13:47:36 < kakimir> adc is not converting anymore
2018-05-30T13:49:43 < kakimir> I may need to reinitialize it
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2018-05-30T13:55:42 < stvn> HHO niggers are at it again
2018-05-30T13:55:44 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s9sjyUMZyg
2018-05-30T13:57:35 < stvn> having to fill up a tank of petrol has spawned so much pure retard
2018-05-30T13:58:31 < BrainDamage> sniff the leaded gas
2018-05-30T13:59:13 < stvn> good old days mate
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2018-05-30T14:02:28 < kakimir> do I need to initialize ADC again after sleep
2018-05-30T14:04:22 < stvn> idk but when I can't be fucked to figure it out for myself i pay someone else ;) https://www.freelancer.com
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2018-05-30T14:16:46 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/engineering/Work-home-electronics-repair-technician/ attn Laurenceb 
2018-05-30T14:20:03 < stvn> hmmm
2018-05-30T14:20:25 < Laurenceb> lel ok thanx
2018-05-30T14:20:26 < stvn> 1hr/day
2018-05-30T14:20:31 < botnico> this are really cheap bids for jobs done in uk
2018-05-30T14:20:39 < Laurenceb> prob better than babby shake
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2018-05-30T14:23:14 < dongs> lol
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2018-05-30T14:25:54 < stvn> how many babby do you have the kill before your research is complete
2018-05-30T14:26:04 < Laurenceb> Finnish waifu 4 kakimir https://imgur.com/a/OgJ6iGa
2018-05-30T14:26:26 < dongs> generic blonde white trash
2018-05-30T14:26:31 < dongs> such boring fuckign face
2018-05-30T14:26:35 < dongs> page closed
2018-05-30T14:26:53 < Laurenceb> she got raped and turned into kebab meat :P
2018-05-30T14:26:58 < dongs> good riddance
2018-05-30T14:27:03 < Laurenceb> kek
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2018-05-30T14:29:20 < stvn> lol
2018-05-30T14:29:31 < stvn> are we meant to know who that person is?
2018-05-30T14:30:08 < Laurenceb> she is why Tommy Robinson is in prison or something
2018-05-30T14:30:33 < Laurenceb> he tried to report on the rape gang trial or something... if you believe any of it is real
2018-05-30T14:31:58 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPWO_C1rT34
2018-05-30T14:32:04 < Laurenceb> amerimutt intensifies
2018-05-30T14:33:18 < PeterM> Laurenceb i dont know if anyone has mentioned this to you before, but you're more than a little bit weird.
2018-05-30T14:33:54 < Laurenceb> >being this new
2018-05-30T14:35:26 < Laurenceb> PeterM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJtoVaOjRpY
2018-05-30T14:35:41 < BrainDamage> I just assume that they have extreme heavy metal poisoning that's getting worse over time
2018-05-30T14:35:59 < BrainDamage> it would explain the degeneration in their communication capabilities, despite the prior achievements
2018-05-30T14:38:07 < Laurenceb> > I am talking about your connection to a burger. A juicy burger. 
2018-05-30T14:40:52 < stvn> this whole show has been derailed
2018-05-30T14:44:33 < stvn> uranium hexafluoride
2018-05-30T14:47:53 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/9PugN9l
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2018-05-30T15:02:18 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1001565360783474688
2018-05-30T15:02:20 < Laurenceb> my sides
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2018-05-30T15:18:23 < Laurenceb> sheeet https://www.mcvuk.com/development/meet-foundry-42s-star-citizens
2018-05-30T15:18:33 < Laurenceb> moar scammers in my cuntry
2018-05-30T15:18:49 < Laurenceb> so much soyface
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2018-05-30T15:19:27 < Laurenceb> sheet there are moar of them https://cloudimperiumgames.com/teams/Derby
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2018-05-30T15:21:51 < Laurenceb> what $200M of kickscammed funds buys you https://www.google.com/maps/@52.925324,-1.4743566,3a,75y,242.15h,93.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sd-44sVJ91R4M7VBveaxwQw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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2018-05-30T15:37:38 < kakimir> my target runs away from debugger
2018-05-30T15:37:58 < kakimir> I press halt and shortly after that it.. hmm
2018-05-30T15:38:14 < kakimir> maybe a watchdog interrupt
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2018-05-30T15:53:59 < Laurenceb> https://imgur.com/vtqXEMZ attn zyp and BrainDamage
2018-05-30T15:54:16 < Laurenceb> Britbongs on suicide watch
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2018-05-30T16:03:57 < jpa-> somehow that doesn't seem to average out to 100
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2018-05-30T16:08:32 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/19d-bVomC2yM1XkBgoyjCkY89MGy6WZjP/view?usp=sharing that keysight is a beast
2018-05-30T16:09:00 < kakimir> testing sleepstate consumption
2018-05-30T16:09:32 < zyp> are you getting anything useful out of that?
2018-05-30T16:09:53 < kakimir> I see that my deep sleep is actually active
2018-05-30T16:10:27 < kakimir> 300µA is typical for non-conditioned GPIO register values + deep sleep
2018-05-30T16:11:42 < kakimir> if I want something like under 100µA I need to set all the GPIO registers in certain values
2018-05-30T16:11:51 < kakimir> but I wouldn't really care too much
2018-05-30T16:12:18 < kakimir> that is //TODOSOMEDAY
2018-05-30T16:13:00 < dongs> jewsight
2018-05-30T16:13:10 < kakimir> hear that sound of abuse?
2018-05-30T16:13:13 < kakimir> in the video
2018-05-30T16:13:25 < kakimir> I didn't know it would go that wild
2018-05-30T16:15:36 < kakimir> weird.. I tried to do a deep sleep with timer counter running from watchdog oscillator generating a match to start logic pin and it works right from the first time
2018-05-30T16:15:56 < kakimir> succeeding is weird
2018-05-30T16:18:22 < dongs> no, i have an attention span of opensores faggot
2018-05-30T16:18:28 < dongs> so when the video didnt load for more htan 10 seconds i closed the page
2018-05-30T16:18:33 < dongs> to free up browser window for somethign else
2018-05-30T16:18:38 < zyp> what's wrong with your internet?
2018-05-30T16:19:17 < dongs> maybe my jew-detection net has been trained to block kikemir
2018-05-30T16:20:10 < englishman> kakimir's videos never load for me
2018-05-30T16:20:45 < englishman> although i don't have the problem with excess browser windows, because i have successfully learned to use tabs, like in altium
2018-05-30T16:21:25 < kakimir> it's just google drive
2018-05-30T16:21:34 < dongs> browser tabs are the equivanelt of altium wiht 30 schematic sheets open and the "tab" becoming a grouped button requiring 20 clicks to get to the file you want, except in altium you can actually see the full filename/project name
2018-05-30T16:21:38 < kakimir> it also requires some codecs for your browser
2018-05-30T16:21:42 < kakimir> probs
2018-05-30T16:22:13 < kakimir> so some opensorcers browser won't work with those videos right out of box
2018-05-30T16:23:38 < kakimir> what is your browser and what extensions may cause video not to load englishman?
2018-05-30T16:23:46 < englishman> chrome and none
2018-05-30T16:24:24 < BrainDamage> failmir: don't use autoranging
2018-05-30T16:25:40 < kakimir> BrainDamage, thanks for advice
2018-05-30T16:26:03 < kakimir> it has so good autoranging I forget time to time it can be fixed range
2018-05-30T16:26:22 < kakimir> it's like *BAM* every time
2018-05-30T16:26:32 < kakimir> got the reading
2018-05-30T16:27:11 < dongs> use autoraging
2018-05-30T16:28:50 < BrainDamage> kakimir: what you have there is an oscillation due to the autorage interaction with the circuit, when it switches it changes the impedance the circuit sees and therefore the total current
2018-05-30T16:29:07 < BrainDamage> which makes it want to switch back to the previous range, etc
2018-05-30T16:29:12 < kakimir> no
2018-05-30T16:29:30 < kakimir> I have 500ms sleeps there
2018-05-30T16:29:38 < BrainDamage> oh
2018-05-30T16:30:50 < kakimir> sweet now my uart delay_ms(1) issue is fixed
2018-05-30T16:31:17 < kakimir> I had typoed register name for checking the empty bit
2018-05-30T16:40:00 < dongs> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cycling-london-uk-sadiq-khan-bikes-race-class-gender-a8367916.html lol
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2018-05-30T17:03:09 < Thorn> what real world situation would make you choose X7R over X5R?
2018-05-30T17:03:35 < zyp> lack of X5R in stock?
2018-05-30T17:03:37 < dongs> X7R unless its size/capacitance combo that only comes in X5R
2018-05-30T17:04:00 < zyp> but yeah, what dongs said
2018-05-30T17:05:01 < Thorn> I mean something that would make you write '100nF X7R ONLY' in the schematic or something like that
2018-05-30T17:05:55 < dongs> no
2018-05-30T17:06:23 < aandrew> Thorn: the only reason you'd use X7R over X5R is temp
2018-05-30T17:06:39 < aandrew> Thorn: I usually have X7Rs only because they're hte same price as X5Rs most times
2018-05-30T17:06:57 < dongs> good luck finding 0805 10uF 16V in X7R
2018-05-30T17:07:01 < dongs> for non-retarded price
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2018-05-30T17:07:33 < karlp> id agree with the gents, they _really_ mean "not y5u shitz"
2018-05-30T17:12:38 < karlp> now, who remmembers shortcuts in cinnectbit
2018-05-30T17:13:10 < karlp> ok, volume uo down changes sceeen size...
2018-05-30T17:13:35 < aandrew> dongs: I didn't say every part was available in X7R, only that when the price is similar I'll go for hte X7R over X5R
2018-05-30T17:13:54 < aandrew> yes, Y5V is "lolwut" dielectric
2018-05-30T17:14:10 < aandrew> may as well grab a handful of random capacitors and solder them anywhere you specify Y5V
2018-05-30T17:15:18 < zyp> sounds like typical decoupling
2018-05-30T17:15:39 < aandrew> C0G is of course the gold standard but you won't find anything large capacitance in that
2018-05-30T17:26:05 < bitmask> how do magnets work? if you place two of the same magnets side by side does the magnetic force multiply?
2018-05-30T17:27:22 < sync> aandrew: I usually sprinkle a little C0G decoupling in just for autism reasons
2018-05-30T17:28:54 < aandrew> my general rule is that every pin gets 100nF, anything to do with PLL or quiet analog gets 1uF/100nF - bead - 1uF/100nF/10nF, and sometimes 1nF if the chip calls for it (almost always on pll)
2018-05-30T17:29:43 < aandrew> I'll put some 10uF or 22uF around every few chips if I feel it needs it, but really most boards are small enough and the reulators close enough that the bulk capacitance the regulator wants is all I think I need
2018-05-30T17:30:05 < sync> I never bother with the beads
2018-05-30T17:31:02 < kakimir> babby's first hand made uart fractional divider
2018-05-30T17:33:19 < kakimir> DLAB bit was a trap for young players at this time
2018-05-30T17:33:40 < kakimir> I predicted it but took a bit googlings to figure it out
2018-05-30T17:38:03 < kakimir> now it seems to be nothing more than doing the main loop
2018-05-30T17:38:13 < kakimir> or adjusting it
2018-05-30T17:39:48 < kakimir> oh and I have that I2C 3d hall there
2018-05-30T17:40:38 < kakimir> https://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/sensor/magnetic-position-sensor/3d-magnetic-sensor/tle493d-w2b6-a0/
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2018-05-30T17:59:28 < kakimir> have you guise fiddled with this one?
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2018-05-30T18:31:07 < Hamilton> SystemControlBlock is a peripheral like ADC in ST devices?
2018-05-30T18:31:34 < Hamilton> I'm using Eclipse MCU plugin but it does not contain SCB registers...
2018-05-30T18:35:47 < Hamilton> I want to manually force an interrupt (PendSV())
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2018-05-30T20:31:52 < kakimir> iirc. CMSIS might not include SCB register
2018-05-30T20:32:00 < kakimir> what I have used myself
2018-05-30T20:32:55 < kakimir> sounds familiar that SCB
2018-05-30T20:33:14 < kakimir> i might have created a structtype for it or so
2018-05-30T20:35:32 < antto> kakimir, the creator of structs
2018-05-30T20:35:53 < kakimir> I have created a lot since I learned struct
2018-05-30T20:36:26 < antto> in the beginning, there was kakimir, and he said "let there be structs"
2018-05-30T20:49:01 < Hamilton> kakimir, If CMSIS does not provide SCB, then I should just use memory view to tweak the address of its registers?
2018-05-30T20:49:30 < kakimir> just a sec
2018-05-30T20:49:37 < Hamilton> Strange, since SCB is supposed to be the same in all Cortex-M and then CMSIS doesn't include it?
2018-05-30T20:49:37 < kakimir> CM0 or CM3?
2018-05-30T20:49:41 < Hamilton> CM3
2018-05-30T20:49:45 < kakimir> just a sec
2018-05-30T20:51:32 < kakimir> are you reading or writing to SCB?
2018-05-30T20:52:05 < Hamilton> I want to do to both
2018-05-30T20:52:24 < Hamilton> I'm now in Keil, and even there I can't seem to find SCB view
2018-05-30T20:53:55 < kakimir> https://pastebin.com/aBHJxC46
2018-05-30T20:54:06 < kakimir> there is struct type
2018-05-30T20:54:27 < kakimir> just make a pointer with that type and set address of SCB to that pointer.. I guess
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2018-05-30T20:55:05 < kakimir> I think that struct has been originally done by jpa- and I have tweaked like.. comments or something
2018-05-30T20:56:06 < kakimir> and struct name also to point out it's actually for M3
2018-05-30T20:56:07 < Hamilton> kakimir, But I remember there was a place in Keil showing SCB bits like any other peripheral
2018-05-30T20:56:13 < Hamilton> now I just see this: ter with that type and set address of SCB to that pointer.. I guess
2018-05-30T20:56:13 < Hamilton> [22:25:02] <kakimir> I think that stru
2018-05-30T20:56:23 < Hamilton> https://pastebin.com/aBHJxC46
2018-05-30T20:56:51 < Hamilton> oh damn, this : https://pasteboard.co/HnBBMR6.png
2018-05-30T20:57:20 < kakimir> I made actually a copy from SCB for something
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2018-05-30T20:58:03 < kakimir> Hamilton, ask dongs 
2018-05-30T20:58:07 < kakimir> his keilpro
2018-05-30T20:58:30 < Hamilton> ok, thanks
2018-05-30T20:58:42 < kakimir> also ragepro
2018-05-30T20:59:26 < antto> captain hatemerica
2018-05-30T20:59:39 < Steffanx> Welcome antto. How was your day?
2018-05-30T20:59:48 < antto> diagonal
2018-05-30T20:59:51 < Steffanx> I missed you today
2018-05-30T20:59:57 < antto> aww
2018-05-30T21:01:25 < kakimir> I need to find a cool shirt to buy before I get my paycheck
2018-05-30T21:01:56 < kakimir> I'm all about shirts now
2018-05-30T21:02:11 < kakimir> I have not worn a tee for like.. a month
2018-05-30T21:02:13 < Steffanx> and you have to because... autism?
2018-05-30T21:02:20 < kakimir> because shirt autism
2018-05-30T21:02:30 < antto> r u nekkid?
2018-05-30T21:02:35 < Steffanx> but why BEFORE the paycheck comes?
2018-05-30T21:02:49 < zyp> is this about that autism adidas shirt?
2018-05-30T21:02:50 < kakimir> antto, actually yeess..
2018-05-30T21:02:57 < antto> maybe his check is soooo big, he carries it in his shirt?
2018-05-30T21:03:02 < Hamilton> autism and retardation are definitely a common concern in ##stm32
2018-05-30T21:03:24 < Steffanx> Do you take ##stm32 very serious Hamilton?
2018-05-30T21:03:31 < Hamilton> Steffanx, kinda
2018-05-30T21:04:03 < kakimir> it's a mistake
2018-05-30T21:05:40 < Steffanx> what movie kakimir?
2018-05-30T21:05:47 < kakimir> hmm
2018-05-30T21:05:55 < kakimir> for you?
2018-05-30T21:06:05 < Steffanx> yessir
2018-05-30T21:07:58 < kakimir> pretty much anything with Clint Eestwood in it
2018-05-30T21:08:03 < Steffanx> pass
2018-05-30T21:08:09 < kakimir> *Eastwood
2018-05-30T21:08:30 < Steffanx> Does Eastwood do scifi? Doesnt he only do western crap?
2018-05-30T21:08:58 < kakimir> lower budget film: Red Faction - Origins (TV Movie 2011)
2018-05-30T21:09:00 < kakimir> scifi
2018-05-30T21:09:24 < kakimir> not actually bad if you can suffer some weak cgi
2018-05-30T21:10:07 < kakimir> actually not that much a scifi, but more hints of drama and adventure
2018-05-30T21:10:08 < Steffanx> Doesnt pass my "Score> 6 on imdb" rule.
2018-05-30T21:10:40 < kakimir> I have imdb Score>3 rule
2018-05-30T21:10:54 < kakimir> also there is some movies I like around 6
2018-05-30T21:10:55 < Hamilton> no rotten tomatoes people?
2018-05-30T21:11:34 < Hamilton> Their ratings seem to be moare logical
2018-05-30T21:11:53 < kakimir> I mean imdb is for movie puritist and hollywood biased imo.
2018-05-30T21:12:41 < Steffanx> Yes <4.5 movies are unwatchable.
2018-05-30T21:12:43 < Steffanx> *yet
2018-05-30T21:13:23 < kakimir> true
2018-05-30T21:17:43 < jadew> you can't trust imdb anymore
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2018-05-30T21:18:27 < jadew> you should read the user reviews if you're looking for a fair assessment
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2018-05-30T21:18:36 < jadew> or at least take a quick look at the notes they're giving
2018-05-30T21:20:09 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/kiDBh7l.png
2018-05-30T21:22:08 < Steffanx> hi Laurenceb
2018-05-30T21:22:15 < jadew> hi
2018-05-30T21:23:48 < kakimir> Steffanx, Red Sparrow
2018-05-30T21:23:54 < kakimir> I have not seen it
2018-05-30T21:24:12 < Steffanx> i bought it, but im not too sure i wanna see it
2018-05-30T21:24:13 < kakimir> just looking new bluray releases in rating order
2018-05-30T21:24:48 < kakimir> I think I check it
2018-05-30T21:25:13 < kakimir> I bought a phone so they gave me some free movies to their entertainment service
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2018-05-30T21:29:30 < kakimir> of course it doesn't have any movie I want to watch
2018-05-30T21:34:16 < kakimir> Steffanx, wardogs
2018-05-30T21:34:33 < kakimir> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2005151/
2018-05-30T21:35:32 < Steffanx> already gave up on movieing
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2018-05-30T21:40:15 < kakimir> put it in your list
2018-05-30T21:41:00 < englishman> war dogs was funny
2018-05-30T21:41:05 < Steffanx> i think i gave up on it when i saw the actors and " Comedy"
2018-05-30T21:41:08 < englishman> like a wolf of wall street but with guns
2018-05-30T21:42:41 < Steffanx> that one wasnt that great either
2018-05-30T21:42:50 < kakimir> true
2018-05-30T21:43:13 < Steffanx> was a bit over hyped
2018-05-30T21:43:29 < kakimir> true
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2018-05-30T22:17:34 < englishman> assembling stm32-based weed vape
2018-05-30T22:19:51 < kakimir> I wonder if I should vape
2018-05-30T22:19:56 < kakimir> subohm it
2018-05-30T22:21:20 < Steffanx> did you ever smoke kakimir?
2018-05-30T22:21:47 < kakimir> sure
2018-05-30T22:22:10 < Steffanx> i mean as in addicted.
2018-05-30T22:22:18 < kakimir> that thing too
2018-05-30T22:22:34 < kakimir> why not
2018-05-30T22:22:52 < kakimir> then started snus and forgot smoking in like 2weeks
2018-05-30T22:22:52 < Steffanx> Why should you
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2018-05-30T22:23:19 < Steffanx> lol never heard of that
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2018-05-30T22:24:23 < kakimir> there is so much nicotine in my system that if I smoke it's just like.. inhaling smoke and that's all
2018-05-30T22:25:37 < zyp> Steffanx, it's a pretty nordic thing
2018-05-30T22:26:56 < zyp> kakimir, isn't snus illegal in .fi? shopping in sweden?
2018-05-30T22:27:09 < kakimir> illegal to sell
2018-05-30T22:27:18 < zyp> that's what I meant
2018-05-30T22:27:31 < kakimir> illegal to buy but for own consumption
2018-05-30T22:27:38 < kakimir> 1kg max
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2018-05-30T22:28:01 < zyp> I remember tax free shop on ferry to finland couldn't sell snus while in finnish waters
2018-05-30T22:30:00 < zyp> kakimir, so are you doing shopping runs to sweden to pick up or what?
2018-05-30T22:30:17 < kakimir> sweden is like 100km distance from here
2018-05-30T22:30:42 < zyp> ah, you're up there
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2018-05-30T22:47:15 < kakimir> lemme see how long it would take to do a trip to zypland
2018-05-30T22:48:10 < zyp> I probably live over twice as far away from my hometown as you do :p
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2018-05-30T22:48:31 < zyp> where in .fi are you at?
2018-05-30T22:48:36 < kakimir> Oulu
2018-05-30T22:48:45 < kakimir> full tank of diesel to drive to Oslo
2018-05-30T22:48:49 < stvn> I like Norway now
2018-05-30T22:49:03 < kakimir> 18hours drive
2018-05-30T22:49:09 < zyp> stvn, me too
2018-05-30T22:49:13 < stvn> They troll the world by eating whales
2018-05-30T22:49:21 < zyp> haha
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2018-05-30T22:49:35 < zyp> that still reminds me of that guy my friend met in jp
2018-05-30T22:49:57 < kakimir> zyp, where did you live exactly?
2018-05-30T22:50:00 < zyp> «Where are you from?» «Norway» «Oh, then we are friends, you also eat whale!»
2018-05-30T22:50:14 < zyp> kakimir, now? Grimstad
2018-05-30T22:50:23 < zyp> my hometown is Andenes
2018-05-30T22:51:05 < kakimir> that would be a reasonable drive from here
2018-05-30T22:51:17 < kakimir> +900km
2018-05-30T22:51:27 < zyp> hehe
2018-05-30T22:52:00 < kakimir> "one press of pedal" I'd call it
2018-05-30T22:52:47 < zyp> I've been to Torneå a bunch of times, but not down to Oulo as far as I can remember
2018-05-30T22:55:06 < kakimir> it would be super to find some road in lapland that is long and straight and virtually no enforcing of speed limit
2018-05-30T22:55:19 < kakimir> just let it sing
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2018-05-30T22:59:27 < kakimir> drive like 900 kilometers in 6hours
2018-05-30T23:00:13 < Steffanx> 150.. you should do 120 max mr kakimir
2018-05-30T23:01:00 < Steffanx> km/h that is
2018-05-30T23:01:21 < zyp> kakimir, you could come down here and go visit Steffanx with me this summer
2018-05-30T23:01:58 < kakimir> when you plan such thing?
2018-05-30T23:02:28 < zyp> not sure, probably july-ish
2018-05-30T23:04:37 < kakimir> my plans: work-work-nomoney-work-work
2018-05-30T23:05:19 < Steffanx> stop spending money on T-shirts
2018-05-30T23:06:10 < kakimir> I have not bought a single tee in like.. 2years
2018-05-30T23:06:36 < Steffanx> dont you get "holiday" money in finland?
2018-05-30T23:06:52 < kakimir> it's paid holiday
2018-05-30T23:07:10 < kakimir> time off with salary running
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2018-05-30T23:07:35 < Steffanx> yes, in dutchland you tend to get like an extra month salary in may
2018-05-30T23:07:51 < zyp> Steffanx, I should probably ask, are you planning to be away some time around july? :p
2018-05-30T23:08:15 < Steffanx> Yes. 
2018-05-30T23:08:17 < Steffanx> :P
2018-05-30T23:08:28 < zyp> when? :p
2018-05-30T23:08:37 < Steffanx> no, it's a lie. Im not.
2018-05-30T23:08:40 < Steffanx> Except for being at work.
2018-05-30T23:08:52 < zyp> hehe
2018-05-30T23:08:57 < kakimir> I mean free time off kind of sucks
2018-05-30T23:09:26 < kakimir> because you don't have more money.. but you can spend it more quickly
2018-05-30T23:10:30 < Steffanx> So i guess i'll be around in july, zyp
2018-05-30T23:10:36 < zyp> Steffanx, I figure we'll probably spend a couple of days in .nl, so I'd be more or less be driving past anyway
2018-05-30T23:10:46 < zyp> so let's grab a beer or something :)
2018-05-30T23:11:04 < zyp> probably something, considering I'll be driving :p
2018-05-30T23:11:05 < Steffanx> Yeah, you should visit Groningen anyway. Today i read its the most cultural city in the netherlands
2018-05-30T23:11:15 < zyp> haha, cool
2018-05-30T23:11:26 < Steffanx> not sure why.
2018-05-30T23:11:43 < zyp> I read that norway is apparently the european country most proud of their culture
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2018-05-30T23:12:22 < Steffanx> Dutch are not proud. We like to break it down.
2018-05-30T23:13:30 < zyp> https://i.redd.it/rlaxfwxaoy011.png
2018-05-30T23:16:26 < zyp> wonder how much stroopwafels I can fit in my car
2018-05-30T23:16:31 < kakimir> finland!
2018-05-30T23:19:30 < Steffanx> Lol. Quite a few i assume
2018-05-30T23:22:16 < englishman> Steffanx is the only black man in Groningen
2018-05-30T23:23:23 < Steffanx> Im quite pale.. no sun in the basement.
2018-05-30T23:30:05 < Steffanx> And hi englishman. Welcome
2018-05-30T23:30:34 < englishman> ty
2018-05-30T23:44:07 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE-JGvFMMsw
2018-05-30T23:46:10 < englishman> the new job smell has worn off, kaks?
2018-05-30T23:47:16 < stvn> Welcome
2018-05-30T23:47:59 < kakimir> 9 to 5 is against my nature
2018-05-30T23:48:58 < kakimir> I rather work in sprints
2018-05-30T23:49:24 < kakimir> then die
2018-05-30T23:50:23 < stvn> Hedde drugs?
2018-05-30T23:51:18 < englishman> just for dongs https://www.asus.com/us/News/ZwwO4E0EimUoYyEi
2018-05-30T23:52:16 < kakimir> stvn, metaphorically die
2018-05-30T23:52:38 < stvn> Oh god
2018-05-30T23:52:48 < stvn> Never buying that brand
2018-05-30T23:52:59 < englishman> plz
2018-05-30T23:53:26 < stvn> MUH MINING
2018-05-30T23:53:28 < englishman> if you could charge more for an inferior product due to retards, you would
2018-05-30T23:53:45 < englishman> hence my recent foray into weed vapes
2018-05-30T23:53:52 < zyp> haha, that's cute
2018-05-30T23:53:55 < stvn> Let me get back to you on that
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2018-05-30T23:55:31  * stvn patents audiophile grease
2018-05-30T23:56:09 < stvn> Did you know one can patent a perpetual motion machine 🦆
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2018-05-31T00:04:21 < sync> kakimir: best I could do currently was 166kmh avg
2018-05-31T00:04:23 < sync> over 3h
2018-05-31T00:05:16 < kakimir> now that is what I call progressive culture
2018-05-31T00:05:33 < kakimir> but.. why so slow?
2018-05-31T00:05:53 < sync> because of the cities at both ends
2018-05-31T00:05:57 < sync> where I lost some time
2018-05-31T00:06:25 < kakimir> it's easy to lost 30min for 10km in city
2018-05-31T00:06:47 < kakimir> *lose
2018-05-31T00:06:48 < Steffanx> Whats the speed limit in finnishland?
2018-05-31T00:06:55 < kakimir> 120
2018-05-31T00:07:18 < Steffanx> Then you better not drive 150 then.
2018-05-31T00:07:33 < Steffanx> You already complain enough about no munny
2018-05-31T00:07:48 < kakimir> it's like a pile of moneys
2018-05-31T00:07:54 < kakimir> 300-500 i'd say
2018-05-31T00:07:58 < sync> I think the absolute max avg I did was ~190kmh but it was only 54 mins
2018-05-31T00:08:17 < kakimir> what car you have?
2018-05-31T00:08:17 < Steffanx> My car cant even do that
2018-05-31T00:08:44 < sync> kakimir: mitsubishi colt
2018-05-31T00:09:19 < kakimir> so.. flat out speed?
2018-05-31T00:09:32 < sync> nah, that is with city at both ends
2018-05-31T00:09:40 < sync> on the flat it will do 220-230
2018-05-31T00:10:28 < kakimir> that is more than my car
2018-05-31T00:11:32 < sync> well, it has the largest engine they made for it in it and I applied some bitflips in the eeprom
2018-05-31T00:11:35 < Steffanx> What does mr kakimir drive?
2018-05-31T00:13:05 < kakimir> 2001 audi a4 b6 1.9TDI AVB, front wheel drive, stock
2018-05-31T00:13:17 < Steffanx> The diesel.
2018-05-31T00:13:23 < kakimir> under 100horses
2018-05-31T00:13:27 < stvn> STOCK
2018-05-31T00:13:33 < sync> > stock
2018-05-31T00:13:35 < sync> pls
2018-05-31T00:13:36 < stvn> sounds like an Aussie when that word is used
2018-05-31T00:13:55 < stvn> Me fucken commodore is stock mate
2018-05-31T00:14:02 < sync> I mean that POS is edc15p+
2018-05-31T00:14:06 < kakimir> planned ecotuning but I couldn't bother
2018-05-31T00:14:16 < sync> so it is easy to tune
2018-05-31T00:14:25 < kakimir> how easy?
2018-05-31T00:14:31 < sync> plug in mpps and flash away
2018-05-31T00:15:01 < kakimir> I have vagcom hose
2018-05-31T00:15:19 < sync> vagcum cable does not cut it
2018-05-31T00:15:22 < sync> but a mpps v13 does
2018-05-31T00:15:28 < sync> which is like 15€
2018-05-31T00:15:30 < kakimir> have not heard about that
2018-05-31T00:15:36 < kakimir> let's add it to shopping list
2018-05-31T00:15:43 < sync> then you get the russian winols VM and the damos/a2l from the interwebs
2018-05-31T00:15:48 < sync> and off you go
2018-05-31T00:16:28 < kakimir> v13 version then?
2018-05-31T00:16:35 < kakimir> not any other?
2018-05-31T00:16:50 < sync> the others work as well
2018-05-31T00:16:56 < sync> but v13 is the cheapest
2018-05-31T00:17:29 < kakimir> ##stm32 is the best place for car ecu tuning too
2018-05-31T00:18:21 < kakimir> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_sop=15&_nkw=mpps&_dcat=179486&rt=nc&LH_ItemCondition=1000&_trksid=p2045573.m1684
2018-05-31T00:18:33 < sync> the englishman needs to flash my tune and see if he can blow his AG4
2018-05-31T00:18:39 < englishman> yes
2018-05-31T00:18:49 < englishman> have not seen that shit be reliable yet tho
2018-05-31T00:19:00 < sync> I guess V16 works too
2018-05-31T00:19:03 < sync> just benchflash
2018-05-31T00:19:15 < sync> you cannot kill your ecu
2018-05-31T00:19:21 < sync> now that you have the leaf
2018-05-31T00:19:24 < kakimir> but I can kill my engine
2018-05-31T00:19:28 < kakimir> !
2018-05-31T00:19:41 < sync> yes, but 1.9TDI PD shitbox engines are dime a dozen
2018-05-31T00:19:42 < englishman> true i shall try it sunday
2018-05-31T00:20:41 < kakimir> I doubt I can kill the engine before clutch
2018-05-31T00:20:52 < stvn> Can u remap a leaf mate?
2018-05-31T00:21:05 < englishman> id like to
2018-05-31T00:21:10 < kakimir> I mean as stock it runs forever doesn't it
2018-05-31T00:21:22 < sync> if you bash out your cat I can give you about 30hp/50Nm from what it looks like
2018-05-31T00:21:42 < sync> it depends
2018-05-31T00:21:49 < sync> if you have an automagic the AG4 is the limit
2018-05-31T00:22:00 < sync> it does not like more than 275Nm
2018-05-31T00:22:07 < kakimir> audi + automatic = first owners car
2018-05-31T00:22:24 < sync> the lockup clutch will not be able to hold the torque
2018-05-31T00:22:30 < stvn> Lol sync
2018-05-31T00:22:52  * antto gives sync some poxipol
2018-05-31T00:23:28 < kakimir> getronic 5speed manual takes anything
2018-05-31T00:25:22 < kakimir> I love to slam that gear in - even when there happens barelly nothing after I release the clutch
2018-05-31T00:25:52 < kakimir> newer cars have flimsy plasticy feel to gear shifter
2018-05-31T00:26:09 < sync> VAG has the same setup since always
2018-05-31T00:26:10 < antto> manual transmission x_x
2018-05-31T00:26:22 < sync> pfft
2018-05-31T00:26:49 < kakimir> actually my gear change has been memetized by my friends
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2018-05-31T00:27:25 < kakimir> they hate it when I almost break their gear shifters in their cars
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2018-05-31T00:27:48 < Laurenceb_> muh heritage, muh amendments
2018-05-31T00:27:51 < kakimir> I do it half the speed and they still tell me to stop
2018-05-31T00:28:06 < Laurenceb_> I've just got back from checking out Star Citizen HQ
2018-05-31T00:28:27 < kakimir> sync, I swear the gear lever feels bad in newer ones
2018-05-31T00:28:39 < Laurenceb_> >be me > wonder why there are muricans everywhere > because the Star Citizen freakshow is coming to town
2018-05-31T00:29:23 < Laurenceb_> they have jerbs
2018-05-31T00:30:56 < Laurenceb_> and even moar money to waste than babby shake freakshow
2018-05-31T00:31:40 < kakimir> are they hysteric about being in weird place?
2018-05-31T00:32:27 < kakimir> people don't even speak the same language
2018-05-31T00:32:35 < kakimir> just giberish
2018-05-31T00:34:14 < Laurenceb_> didnt see any staff, it was 6pm
2018-05-31T00:35:03 < Laurenceb_> >zano on steroids
2018-05-31T00:35:43 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYa3T0a862A automatic transmission
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2018-05-31T00:39:36 < kakimir> so much shitti automatics but it takes a master to ruin a manual gearbox design
2018-05-31T00:40:30 < Laurenceb_> tfw havent yet ruined the gearbox
2018-05-31T00:40:59 < Laurenceb_> muh alternator is leaking oil
2018-05-31T00:41:40 < kakimir> interesting
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2018-05-31T00:42:01 < kakimir> that is unusual place for an oil leak
2018-05-31T00:42:13 < Laurenceb_> didnt realise it had oil lubricated bearing before
2018-05-31T00:42:28 < kakimir> replace it if you can
2018-05-31T00:42:35 < kakimir> the bearing
2018-05-31T00:42:42 < Laurenceb_> hardly worth it
2018-05-31T00:42:46 < kakimir> maybe
2018-05-31T00:43:04 < Laurenceb_> it just leaks about 5ml of oil over ~5 hours after each time the car is run
2018-05-31T00:43:25 < kakimir> where does that oil come from?
2018-05-31T00:43:35 < Laurenceb_> inside the bearing unit I think
2018-05-31T00:43:58 < Laurenceb_> the oils thats actually inside the unit when the engine turns off leaks out
2018-05-31T00:44:00 < kakimir> so how many millilitres you think it holds?
2018-05-31T00:44:24 < Laurenceb_> maybe 10 or so
2018-05-31T00:44:40 < kakimir> okay so you can drive twice and it's dry
2018-05-31T00:44:43 < kakimir> ?
2018-05-31T00:45:14 < Laurenceb_> no there is a high pressure feed pipe to the alternator
2018-05-31T00:45:20 < Laurenceb_> and a drain pipe at the bottom
2018-05-31T00:45:33 < kakimir> I have not heard of such thing :o
2018-05-31T00:46:14 < kakimir> next level shiet
2018-05-31T00:46:26 < Laurenceb_> well I think its the alternator...
2018-05-31T00:46:40 < kakimir> okay
2018-05-31T00:46:40 < Laurenceb_> everything is under a plastic cover, but I managed to find the bearing that leaks
2018-05-31T00:46:55 < Laurenceb_> could be power steering pump, I cant see the other side of the shaft
2018-05-31T00:47:09 < kakimir> so it's not an alternator
2018-05-31T00:47:14 < kakimir> you can rule that out
2018-05-31T00:47:27 < Laurenceb_> ok
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2018-05-31T00:47:34 < Laurenceb_> its off the accessory belt anyway
2018-05-31T00:48:17 < kakimir> mark the level of steering fluid reservour
2018-05-31T00:48:23 < Laurenceb_> hmm good point
2018-05-31T00:48:42 < Laurenceb_> but I know the oil is going down too fast, have had to top it up
2018-05-31T00:48:49 < Laurenceb_> also its black like engine oil
2018-05-31T00:49:29 < Laurenceb_> and there is a pip efrom the bottom to the sump
2018-05-31T00:49:56 < kakimir> https://i.stack.imgur.com/3GYD1.jpg
2018-05-31T00:50:55 < kakimir> some fluid is going to some direction in that pipe I bet
2018-05-31T00:51:07 < kakimir> there is no pressure in sump
2018-05-31T00:51:14 < stvn> Dirty
2018-05-31T00:51:42 < Laurenceb_> ok found it
2018-05-31T00:51:47 < Laurenceb_> its the brake servo pump
2018-05-31T00:52:35 < stvn> Is it leaking out your heritage ?
2018-05-31T00:52:42 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2018-05-31T00:52:48 < Laurenceb_> 56% has leaked
2018-05-31T00:53:06 < Laurenceb_> all the mcdonald grease is gone
2018-05-31T00:53:17 < stvn> Shit that’s trouble mate
2018-05-31T00:53:50 < Laurenceb_> should I irl troll Star Citizen scammers?
2018-05-31T00:54:02 < kakimir> Laurenceb_, I think servo pump in auxiliary belt is actually a vacuum pump
2018-05-31T00:54:39 < kakimir> and maybe it pulls some oil from engine to lubricate the seal
2018-05-31T00:55:28 < kakimir> for some reason in here seal for moving axle is called "stefa"
2018-05-31T00:55:49 < kakimir> probs swedish word
2018-05-31T00:57:02 < Laurenceb_> yes
2018-05-31T00:57:47 < kakimir> Stefa® is a registered trademark of the Forsheda Shaft Seal Division
2018-05-31T00:58:11 < kakimir> how does your engine oil look like?
2018-05-31T00:58:17 < Laurenceb_> black :P
2018-05-31T00:58:20 < kakimir> how much and is it same color than the leak?
2018-05-31T00:58:25 < Laurenceb_> its def engine oil, I just looked this up
2018-05-31T00:58:37 < Laurenceb_> its a known issue with Isuzu engines
2018-05-31T00:59:16 < kakimir> you have isuzu?
2018-05-31T00:59:23 < kakimir> pickup or what?
2018-05-31T00:59:28 < Laurenceb_> engine yes, car is opel
2018-05-31T01:00:08 < kakimir> is it quickfix?
2018-05-31T01:00:57 < Laurenceb_> engine seems to be ok, but the accessory belt is all screwy, sometimes it slips, one broke, and now there is oil leak
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2018-05-31T01:01:19 < sync> as long as it passes mot who gives a fuck :D
2018-05-31T01:01:37 < Laurenceb_> exactly
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2018-05-31T01:02:59 < kakimir> it's just an auxiliary belt
2018-05-31T01:03:11 < kakimir> you get the lights to your panel when it's done
2018-05-31T01:03:52 < kakimir> it doens't pump oil so you can probs get the car out of situation and stop the engine before it boils
2018-05-31T01:04:31 < kakimir> I once had no alternator
2018-05-31T01:04:46 < kakimir> drove 2 weeks with it carrying a charger with me
2018-05-31T01:04:57 < kakimir> all power consumption minimized
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2018-05-31T01:10:27 < Laurenceb_> tfw the sun sets https://imgur.com/OMT7Pi9
2018-05-31T01:12:55 < stvn> Fucking lol
2018-05-31T01:13:02 < stvn> Makes no sense but lol
2018-05-31T01:13:52 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/HA96rgz
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2018-05-31T01:19:40 < stvn> Yeah
2018-05-31T01:19:43 < mawk> hi
2018-05-31T01:20:15 < stvn> Hi
2018-05-31T01:25:37 < Laurenceb_> >go to emdrive forumz
2018-05-31T01:25:46 < Laurenceb_> >they still believe in dah emdrive
2018-05-31T01:26:16 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/assets/42978.0/1493948.jpg
2018-05-31T01:26:21 < Laurenceb_> my sides
2018-05-31T01:27:18 < sync> inb4 macbook fan provides 100% of the thrust
2018-05-31T01:27:54 < kakimir> perfect
2018-05-31T01:36:31 < stvn> Indeed
2018-05-31T01:42:16 < kakimir> perfect illusion
2018-05-31T01:45:36 < mawk> it says fanless notebook
2018-05-31T01:45:53 < mawk> if you read carefully
2018-05-31T01:45:54 < kakimir> oh
2018-05-31T01:45:57 < kakimir> and SSD also
2018-05-31T01:46:02 < kakimir> so no rotating mass
2018-05-31T01:46:11 < mawk> in principle
2018-05-31T01:46:46 < englishman> are you saying electrons have no mass
2018-05-31T01:47:49 < sync> rotating electrons!
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2018-05-31T02:31:43 < Laurenceb_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5788503/Dutch-police-shoot-axe-wielding-man-shouting-Allahu-Akbar-tries-attack-them.html
2018-05-31T02:31:48 < Laurenceb_> muh relatives
2018-05-31T02:44:17 < Laurenceb_> at first I was liek https://imgur.com/3D8YG3I
2018-05-31T02:44:41 < Laurenceb_> then I was liek https://imgur.com/2MmzJ74
2018-05-31T02:49:19 < Laurenceb_> wew https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/may/30/germaine-greer-calls-for-punishment-for-to-be-reduced
2018-05-31T02:49:52 < Laurenceb_> >amazing athiest is actually Germaine Greer
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2018-05-31T03:23:01 < dongs> sup
2018-05-31T03:23:04 < dongs> is emodrive finally dead
2018-05-31T03:23:09 < dongs> now that they proved it was a huge troll
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2018-05-31T03:24:01 < Laurenceb_> nope
2018-05-31T03:24:08 < Laurenceb_> autism doesnt work like that
2018-05-31T03:24:18 < Laurenceb_> see eestor and steorn
2018-05-31T03:24:53 < Laurenceb_> steorn was funny cuz everyone could see what was happening within 30 minutes of them finally publishing the raw data
2018-05-31T03:25:03 < Laurenceb_> >magnetic potential energy
2018-05-31T03:25:18 < Laurenceb_> eestor then mixed up parallel and series capacitance
2018-05-31T03:25:27 < Laurenceb_> but that didnt stop the autism
2018-05-31T03:25:31 < dongs> haha
2018-05-31T03:25:33 < dongs> great..
2018-05-31T03:25:49 < Laurenceb_> you can find it in the eestor patent
2018-05-31T03:25:51 < Laurenceb_> epin lulz
2018-05-31T03:36:31 < dongs> do those $2 stlinks take official fw update
2018-05-31T03:37:19 < dongs> paging @thorn and other cheap fucks
2018-05-31T03:38:39 < Thorn> I *think* I did update one but I'm not sure it was $2 lol
2018-05-31T03:39:11 < Thorn> it's a thumb drive form factor one
2018-05-31T03:39:30 < srk> they do black magic
2018-05-31T03:39:43 < dongs> blob:https://imgur.com/39ab5d31-4e57-47ec-b515-521b349b519e
2018-05-31T03:39:47 < dongs> this is the shit he has
2018-05-31T03:39:50 < dongs> err
2018-05-31T03:39:52 < dongs> for fucks sake
2018-05-31T03:39:59 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/HDgO19p.png
2018-05-31T03:40:04 < Thorn> I'm not using it anymore though, I've got a real official genuine st-link
2018-05-31T03:40:05 < dongs> fucking imgurfailure
2018-05-31T03:40:26 < dongs> ok if youre not using it find it and run fw update with stlinkutility
2018-05-31T03:40:30 < dongs> see if it still works after :p
2018-05-31T03:40:36 < Thorn> yeah looks like it, mine is purple though
2018-05-31T03:41:09 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Boy_and_His_Dog_%281975_film%29
2018-05-31T03:41:17 < Thorn> I need to find it first
2018-05-31T03:41:26 < dongs> a boy and his dong more like
2018-05-31T03:42:43 < Laurenceb_> dat plot synopsis
2018-05-31T03:44:40 < dongs> wow that sounds like a fun watch
2018-05-31T03:47:09 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/pzZ3MtX
2018-05-31T03:47:11 < dongs> did you fap to it
2018-05-31T03:47:50 < Laurenceb_> >Then he is told that Topeka meets its need for exogamous reproduction by electroejaculation
2018-05-31T03:47:57 < Laurenceb_> more like Topkek
2018-05-31T03:48:02 < dongs> spoilers, fgt
2018-05-31T03:48:31 < dongs> whats topeka
2018-05-31T03:48:38 < dongs> the only one i know is some shithole in kansas
2018-05-31T03:48:47 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topeka,_Kansas
2018-05-31T03:49:05 < dongs> oh
2018-05-31T03:49:08 < dongs> its that dumb film
2018-05-31T04:01:36 < dongs> oh gawd
2018-05-31T04:01:44 < dongs> winkey-; brings up a fucking emoji entry panel
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2018-05-31T04:15:05 < mawk> https://pix.watch/d9gTh_/u-JE_Y.gif
2018-05-31T04:20:05 < dongs> please tell me this fades into dickbutt at the end
2018-05-31T04:20:19 < dongs> because so far its 100% underwhelming
2018-05-31T04:22:53 < mawk> lol
2018-05-31T04:23:19 < mawk> maybe with a bit of hacking of the character set
2018-05-31T04:23:36 < dongs> get on it
2018-05-31T04:23:53 < englishman> from tomorrow June 1, the price of res and cap will be increased again.
2018-05-31T04:24:53 < Thorn> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVqYBD2X0AAjJQU.jpg
2018-05-31T04:25:00 < dongs> mawk: https://i.imgur.com/Mc7ScbZ.jpg like this
2018-05-31T04:25:24 < mawk> lol
2018-05-31T04:25:26 < mawk> I see
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2018-05-31T04:30:40 < dongs> this makerspace im at is pretty dope
2018-05-31T04:30:49 < dongs> they have a zprinter 450
2018-05-31T04:30:58 < dongs> and a bnch of other make:r trash
2018-05-31T04:31:03 < dongs> and a huge delorean model on a desk
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2018-05-31T06:58:25 < englishman> zyp, il be going with the flo x5, and burying new cable instead of adding to the span, it will end up being much easier and I only have to dig 75cm
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2018-05-31T08:58:40 < PeterM> englishman dont you have like... farm equiptment to dig with?
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2018-05-31T09:52:55 < stvn> Farm32
2018-05-31T09:54:39 < stvn> Tractors, sheds and microcontrollers
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2018-05-31T10:08:18 < zyp> englishman, nice
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2018-05-31T10:14:32 < stvn> Mr Z, how do we summon englishman ?
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2018-05-31T10:23:50 < Steffanx> Here kitty, kitty. ( englishman ). I have a nice stroopwafel for you. Here kitty kitty.
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2018-05-31T10:31:21 < kakimir> hungry
2018-05-31T10:31:32 < kakimir> better eat stroopwaffles
2018-05-31T10:32:01 < kakimir> btw. don't send them Steffanx. Last one was a close call
2018-05-31T10:37:47 < kakimir> my body was like: "next time you ded"
2018-05-31T10:39:08 < Steffanx> Lol. You shouldnt eat all of them at once
2018-05-31T10:49:41 < stvn> Muh heritage
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2018-05-31T10:58:15 < stvn> Blaxter has infected my brain with Muh heritage
2018-05-31T11:11:36 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvXOfq3AB8s sweet EU..
2018-05-31T11:14:21 < stvn> An autistic video
2018-05-31T11:24:41 < Thorn> >NOTE: The priority numbering convention used in __set_BASEPRI(priority) is thus different than in the NVIC_SetPriority(priority) function, which expects the “priority” argument not shifted.
2018-05-31T11:24:44 < Thorn> wtf
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2018-05-31T11:29:57 < kakimir> stvn has a rare ##stm32 syndrome
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2018-05-31T11:31:29 < kakimir> he has effectivelly become the channel itself manifested in a one person
2018-05-31T11:32:11 < Haohmaru> <keanu_wooaah.gif>
2018-05-31T11:32:59 < Steffanx> Idk that gif.
2018-05-31T11:33:14 < Steffanx> Hows the day so far Haohmaru ?
2018-05-31T11:33:36 < Haohmaru> how can you not know that gif
2018-05-31T11:33:44 < Haohmaru> this is unaceptaburu!
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2018-05-31T11:34:35 < Haohmaru> i don't know how day is, ask him!
2018-05-31T11:35:01 < Haohmaru> day, pls report
2018-05-31T11:38:41 < stvn> sky
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2018-05-31T11:55:49 < Steffanx> Hes biased, Haohmaru.
2018-05-31T12:20:23  * Haohmaru puts Steffanx between +5 and +12 volts
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2018-05-31T12:27:19 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-44309758
2018-05-31T12:44:49 < kakimir> I have simple warning
2018-05-31T12:44:55 < kakimir> #warning "blah blah"
2018-05-31T12:45:05 < kakimir> my code checker doesn't like it
2018-05-31T12:45:28 < kakimir> it says #warning encountered with text "blah blah"
2018-05-31T12:45:38 < kakimir> do you know what the problems is?
2018-05-31T12:45:56 < Haohmaru> is it complaining about the "" ?
2018-05-31T12:46:29 < kakimir> nope
2018-05-31T12:46:40 < kakimir> I remove them and it's still complaning
2018-05-31T12:47:07 < zyp> isn't the whole point about a #warning that it should complain?
2018-05-31T12:48:26 < kakimir> it should not complain in my source file
2018-05-31T12:48:31 < kakimir> but while compiling
2018-05-31T12:48:44 < Haohmaru> hm?!
2018-05-31T12:48:50 < Haohmaru> i don't even..
2018-05-31T12:48:58 < Haohmaru> kakimir, wut r ya doin ;P~
2018-05-31T12:49:01 < kakimir> I mean I get yellow underlines in my ecplise view
2018-05-31T12:49:14 < kakimir> and those yellow markers in side bar
2018-05-31T12:49:18 < kakimir> annoying
2018-05-31T12:49:23 < Haohmaru> oh noes.. the IDE trolls your codez
2018-05-31T12:49:37 < kakimir> #error "blah blah" has no problem
2018-05-31T12:50:10 < Haohmaru> #ifndef ECLIPSE_WATCHING #warning "blah blah" #endif
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2018-05-31T13:00:40 < stvn> kakimir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93MrkcUye3s
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2018-05-31T13:39:11 < kakimir> is multiplication overflow well documented?
2018-05-31T13:39:33 < kakimir> I mean is it *defined
2018-05-31T13:39:41 < kakimir> or specified
2018-05-31T13:43:38 < tpw_rules> yeah it's defined as saving the least significant 32 bits afaik
2018-05-31T13:44:36 < englishman> Waffle is a candidate for inclusion in Unicode 12.0 scheduled for release in 2019 and was added to draft Emoji 12.0 in 2018.
2018-05-31T13:44:45 < tpw_rules> fuck yes
2018-05-31T13:45:15 < englishman> PeterM: yes of course
2018-05-31T13:45:51 < englishman> but no precision cable-trench-digging equipment
2018-05-31T13:46:49 < stvn> wb englishman 
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2018-05-31T13:49:01 < Haohmaru> is there a vomit emoji?
2018-05-31T13:49:10 < BrainDamage> there's a shit emooji
2018-05-31T13:49:21 < englishman> 🤮🤢
2018-05-31T13:49:22 < Haohmaru> i know that one, and it's not done properly
2018-05-31T13:50:01 < stvn> hmm
2018-05-31T13:50:04 < englishman> 🤒
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2018-05-31T14:02:07 < stvn> let's go search for MH370 mate
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2018-05-31T14:13:29 < tomeaton17> Oh nice color emojys work in my terminal
2018-05-31T14:13:49 < PeterM> englishman not even a ripper tooth attachment or some sort?
2018-05-31T14:14:55 < stvn> fucking lol i missed the news - https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/mh370-ocean-infinity-search-ends-with-no-trace-of-aircraft/news-story/9ce4070270dc149bad0dcd47fc240fa1
2018-05-31T14:14:57 < englishman> oh yeah we have one of those
2018-05-31T14:17:33 < PeterM> it'll make digging any sort of trench shitloads easier
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2018-05-31T14:29:34 < stvn> wb
2018-05-31T14:30:29 < Laurenceb> sup trolls
2018-05-31T14:30:42 < Laurenceb> 0x01F92E01F922
2018-05-31T14:30:51 < Laurenceb> is shit apparently
2018-05-31T14:31:36 < Laurenceb> kek this is no4 most popular news item in uk http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-44309758
2018-05-31T14:31:45 < Laurenceb> nothing to do with me.. honest
2018-05-31T14:33:42 < zyp> found Laurenceb: https://i.redd.it/32vykangfy011.jpg
2018-05-31T14:34:14 < Laurenceb> wew I thought that actually was me for a sec
2018-05-31T14:34:40 < Laurenceb> good troll
2018-05-31T14:35:08 < Laurenceb> I'm usually hiding in the corner over some monitor next to knackered radiator
2018-05-31T14:36:06 < Laurenceb> right hair"style"
2018-05-31T14:40:29 < Laurenceb> https://kek.gg/i/4pg85h.jpg
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2018-05-31T14:43:38 < tpw_rules> > you have already killed all his family after using that qualification towards them
2018-05-31T14:44:42 < tpw_rules> https://twitter.com/y0ungjfk/status/1001933856268783618?s=21
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2018-05-31T14:45:58 < tpw_rules> https://www.inverse.com/article/30977-tesla-cross-country-autopilot-elon-musk kek
2018-05-31T14:52:14 < Laurenceb> the new AI technology
2018-05-31T14:52:18 < Laurenceb> cool story bro
2018-05-31T14:55:17 < Laurenceb> this looks cool https://comma.ai/
2018-05-31T14:55:29 < Laurenceb> not sure id trust it not to hang
2018-05-31T14:56:29 < stvn> can it find muh heritage?
2018-05-31T14:56:36 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-05-31T14:56:44 < Laurenceb> just look for the mc donalds grease
2018-05-31T15:18:38 < stvn> pu 238
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2018-05-31T15:37:38 < dongs> dongul8
2018-05-31T15:41:21 < kakimir> dongbox
2018-05-31T15:41:58 < kakimir> I need a serial terminal I can freeze
2018-05-31T15:42:03 < kakimir> realterm is broken
2018-05-31T15:42:18 < dongs> get into the oven
2018-05-31T15:42:38 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-31T15:42:54 < kakimir> I lova bacon
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2018-05-31T15:48:16 < kakimir> I'm inna chaotic codin mode
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2018-05-31T15:48:45 < kakimir> I write one thing and same time fix something that I just did and forgot something
2018-05-31T15:49:03 < kakimir> I driving from back mirror basically - and really fast
2018-05-31T15:51:36 < kakimir> trying to spot cones I drove over
2018-05-31T15:51:45 < Hamilton> kakimir, hi kakimir 
2018-05-31T15:52:05 < kakimir> did you give up f1 racing Hamilton?
2018-05-31T15:53:02 < Hamilton> kakimir, Well I'm working on a F1 (bluepill) so that is kind of a pun :)
2018-05-31T15:53:06 < kakimir> 50% of my mainloop is preprocessor code
2018-05-31T15:53:15 < kakimir> then I know I have succeed
2018-05-31T15:54:06 < Hamilton> Is the name Hamilton SO reminder of that driver in there? :\ I though many people are named Hamilton, smith, collins, ...
2018-05-31T15:56:22 < kakimir> you are Lewis Hamilton right?
2018-05-31T15:57:09 < kakimir> it must be - you have the same name than famous f1 driver
2018-05-31T15:57:35 < Hamilton> kakimir, Yeah...oldtimer racer, now confronting with "race conditions"
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2018-05-31T16:00:54 < Hamilton> There are only 4 people in ##stellaris  :(
2018-05-31T16:01:43 < Steffanx> Who uses Ti stellaris anyway?
2018-05-31T16:02:16 < dongs> probably thsoe 4 people
2018-05-31T16:02:17 < dongs> and noone else
2018-05-31T16:02:21  * Hamilton whistles awkwardly 
2018-05-31T16:02:40 < zyp> haha
2018-05-31T16:08:32 < Steffanx> Thats a wrong assumption. Some people here dont use ##stm32 ( hi stvn and antto )
2018-05-31T16:08:38 < Steffanx> Mr dongs.
2018-05-31T16:09:23 < Steffanx> I meant: some people in ##stm32 dont use stm32
2018-05-31T16:12:38 < englishman> psoc4lyf
2018-05-31T16:16:01 < kakimir> all the LPC pumpers o/
2018-05-31T16:16:13 < kakimir> \o
2018-05-31T16:16:23 < kakimir> o
2018-05-31T16:16:32 < kakimir> \o/
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2018-05-31T16:37:13 < Laurenceb> little miss ogenist
2018-05-31T16:38:09 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/victoriakayexo?lang=en
2018-05-31T16:39:19 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/victoriakayexo/status/1000025308785934336
2018-05-31T16:39:21 < Laurenceb> >lol
2018-05-31T16:44:19 < Laurenceb> W E W https://twitter.com/victoriakayexo/status/963454076427145216
2018-05-31T16:44:26 < Laurenceb> i n c e l
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2018-05-31T17:23:03 < Haohmaru> wut iz diz madness?
2018-05-31T17:26:56 < Laurenceb> mahoosive shitstorm in uk right now after *someone* put some troll paper in public toilets 
2018-05-31T17:27:07 < Laurenceb> I didnt have anything to do with this
2018-05-31T17:28:35 < Laurenceb> a literal incel grrrl went full triggered rage mode
2018-05-31T17:28:59 < Haohmaru> troll paper?
2018-05-31T17:29:32 < Steffanx> Try: /query Laurenceb
2018-05-31T17:29:42 < Laurenceb> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-44309758
2018-05-31T17:30:17 < Haohmaru> no, i don't want to approach Laurenceb THAT closely ;P~
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2018-05-31T18:55:27 < Laurenceb> https://borderlinekisses.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/bpd-post.jpg
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2018-05-31T18:55:50 < Laurenceb> what could possibly go wrong
2018-05-31T18:57:40 < kakimir> "I need to show this"
2018-05-31T18:58:05 < Laurenceb> she is a very edgy girl, she likes sharp edges
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2018-05-31T19:13:18 < kakimir> I have used 8KB of flash
2018-05-31T19:13:26 < kakimir> 7960bytes
2018-05-31T19:13:32 < kakimir> of 8kilobytes
2018-05-31T19:13:52 < kakimir> but only a bit over 40bytes of ram if this thing is correct
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2018-05-31T19:15:32 < Steffanx> Time to optimize for size?
2018-05-31T19:16:34 < kakimir> just did it
2018-05-31T19:16:43 < kakimir> it gave an error earlier
2018-05-31T19:16:48 < kakimir> it was like 8300bytes
2018-05-31T19:23:01 < tct> how's ##stm32 today?
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2018-05-31T19:24:21 < tct> on Tuesday I went shooting using a finnish sniper rifle (Sako TRG 42) very nice rifle with extreme precision. Good work, jpa- & kakimir 
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2018-05-31T19:30:31  * karlp has his feet up after museuming, ready for a nice dinner in florence
2018-05-31T19:30:50 < karlp> life's good and all that, no rifles requured
2018-05-31T19:30:59 < karlp> no finns required either :)
2018-05-31T19:32:36 < kakimir> yes
2018-05-31T19:32:45 < Thorn> my lpc824 is finally talking rs-485
2018-05-31T19:32:45 < kakimir> me and jpa- after all make rifles
2018-05-31T19:35:45 < kakimir> we have to thank soviets for our good rifles
2018-05-31T19:38:09 < kakimir> finnish gunsmiths took their bulk guns what soldiers were able to collect from battlefield and machined them with better tolerances and adjustments to make those way better than original ones
2018-05-31T19:39:06 < kakimir> maybe that was the beginning for tradition to make good rifles
2018-05-31T19:40:26 < kakimir> when you can't outnumber or outproduce the enemy - only thing you can do is better quality
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2018-05-31T20:21:24 < Thorn> >Example: You can loop back the USART transmit output to the receive input by assigning the same pin number to Un_RXD and Un_TXD.
2018-05-31T20:21:55 < jpa-> tct: https://stluciatimes.com/2018/05/29/one-dead-child-and-three-others-injured-in-castries-shootings-shooting/    this was you?
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2018-05-31T20:23:37 < antto> Thorn is that a recipe for much lolz?
2018-05-31T20:26:55 < Thorn> >You can enable the CLKIN input in the PINENABLE0 register on pin PIO0_1 and also assign one ore more SCT inputs to pin PIO0_1 through the PINASSIGN registers to feed the CLKIN into the SCT.
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2018-05-31T20:28:27 < Thorn> so the dongs method of clocking the spi from a timer can be done using only one pin
2018-05-31T20:28:32 < kakimir> sweet trick - switch to IRC before clearing start logic
2018-05-31T20:29:22 < kakimir> start logic clears a much faster when IRC is in use instead of watchdog
2018-05-31T20:29:38 < kakimir> at least it would appear that way
2018-05-31T20:30:00 < kakimir> I did some halts before and after and most of time before it was in wakeup isr
2018-05-31T20:30:20 < antto> wut irc maan?
2018-05-31T20:30:45 < kakimir> I wonder if there is some rule when start logic should be cleared inside ISR
2018-05-31T20:30:52 < kakimir> does it matter if I do it first or last
2018-05-31T20:31:30 < vampi-the-frog> are you making a STM32 IRC client?
2018-05-31T20:31:49 < kakimir> comming next
2018-05-31T20:31:59 < kakimir> actually no
2018-05-31T20:32:00 < vampi-the-frog> it's probably doable
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2018-05-31T20:32:09 < kakimir> but it would be sweet to have such irc client
2018-05-31T20:32:20 < kakimir> with VT100 or such serial interface
2018-05-31T20:32:31 < kakimir> then get them old terminals
2018-05-31T20:32:32 < vampi-the-frog> no with keyboard and LCD
2018-05-31T20:32:43 < vampi-the-frog> and 256color
2018-05-31T20:33:01 < antto> f*ck..
2018-05-31T20:33:01 < kakimir> if it's ps/2 keyboard
2018-05-31T20:33:05 < kakimir> then yes
2018-05-31T20:33:06 < vampi-the-frog> or maybe USB keyboard
2018-05-31T20:33:09 < kakimir> no
2018-05-31T20:33:12 < antto> nooo
2018-05-31T20:33:15 < antto> usb sux
2018-05-31T20:33:19 < kakimir> IBM model M
2018-05-31T20:33:21 < vampi-the-frog> usb is great
2018-05-31T20:33:38 < kakimir> I hope I don't need to touch it
2018-05-31T20:33:43 < kakimir> like in a long time
2018-05-31T20:33:43 < antto> integrate the electronics inside the keyboard, since it's probably the biggest component
2018-05-31T20:33:44 < vampi-the-frog> I use it all the time
2018-05-31T20:34:04 < kakimir> I
2018-05-31T20:34:09 < kakimir> can't
2018-05-31T20:34:16 < antto> do it, imma buy one
2018-05-31T20:34:26 < antto> make sure it has RJ45 ethernet tho
2018-05-31T20:34:31 < antto> or else - no deal
2018-05-31T20:34:44 < kakimir> my device firmware at works is at alpha stage at the moment!
2018-05-31T20:35:07 < kakimir> it's core functionality is actually implemented and workings
2018-05-31T20:35:18 < Thorn> irc == internal rc oscillator
2018-05-31T20:35:35 < Thorn> in lpc
2018-05-31T20:35:44 < kakimir> like.. what else to call it
2018-05-31T20:35:51 < antto> shouldn't it be called INTRC then
2018-05-31T20:35:58 < Thorn> this channel is now ##lpc8
2018-05-31T20:36:01 < antto> or IRCO
2018-05-31T20:36:11 < aandrew> wom 24
2018-05-31T20:36:16 < kakimir> INTRC - what kind of interrupt register that is?
2018-05-31T20:36:32 < antto> or anything else as long as it doesn't conflict with the sacred IRC abbreviation
2018-05-31T20:36:59 < kakimir> lpc is beyond ircs
2018-05-31T20:37:49 < kakimir> what is irc called in stm32 world?
2018-05-31T20:38:18 < antto> stahp confoozing me
2018-05-31T20:38:36 < kakimir> lemme guess.. it's name doesn't tell straight away that it is internal or an oscillator
2018-05-31T20:38:48 < antto> or imma cry like a ~60kg of living baby
2018-05-31T20:39:09 < kakimir> such a small babby weight
2018-05-31T20:39:15 < antto> WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
2018-05-31T20:39:17 < antto> :~(
2018-05-31T20:39:37 < kakimir> optimum weight for a babby is 90kg
2018-05-31T20:40:07 < kakimir> man babby
2018-05-31T20:40:07 < antto> who gon' push the baby buggy?
2018-05-31T20:40:20 < antto> a construction worker?
2018-05-31T20:40:34 < kakimir> babby uses automobile
2018-05-31T20:40:40 < Thorn> HSI
2018-05-31T20:40:46 < Thorn> n stm32
2018-05-31T20:40:52 < kakimir> HSI - what is that?
2018-05-31T20:41:05 < kakimir> what does it say
2018-05-31T20:41:45 < kakimir> high speed internal oscillator
2018-05-31T20:42:22 < kakimir> in lpc world slow oscillators are called wdt_osc and I assume rtc_osc
2018-05-31T20:43:27 < antto> SD oscillators, HD oscillators, ULTRAHD 4K 3D oscillators
2018-05-31T20:43:41 < kakimir> named after the main purpose of the oscillator
2018-05-31T20:44:13 < kakimir> but external clock is sysosc like whaa
2018-05-31T20:44:31 < kakimir> system oscillator
2018-05-31T20:53:36 < R0b0t1`> What is an ultrahd 4k 3d oscillator
2018-05-31T20:53:53 < englishman> hmm
2018-05-31T20:54:00 < englishman> need to deliver 4J @400V
2018-05-31T20:54:02 < antto> an overclocked SD oscillator, of course.. duuuh
2018-05-31T20:54:03 < englishman> how 2 charge that cap
2018-05-31T20:55:04 < BrainDamage> are you making a defibrillator?
2018-05-31T20:55:33 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSTH0RBUV6I
2018-05-31T20:55:38 < BrainDamage> transformer switched by full H bridge, then rectifier
2018-05-31T20:55:53 < englishman> refibrillator
2018-05-31T20:56:33 < kakimir> 4joules @ 400volts englishman?
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2018-05-31T20:57:13 < antto> there must be an easier way to kill someone
2018-05-31T20:57:16 < antto> ;P~
2018-05-31T20:57:31 < BrainDamage> that's what a naïve defibrillator does
2018-05-31T20:57:46 < BrainDamage> it fucks up the heart, and you hope that it reboots
2018-05-31T20:58:22 < antto> mm
2018-05-31T20:58:29 < BrainDamage> a bit more advanced defibrillator will detect the heart's pulse and try to syncronize to stop it more effectively
2018-05-31T20:58:36 < antto> sprinkle some religious symbols around on the PCB
2018-05-31T20:59:00 < zyp> BrainDamage, have you tried turning it off and on again?
2018-05-31T20:59:08 < antto> hahaha
2018-05-31T20:59:42 < englishman> looks like these guys just pwm a transformer
2018-05-31T20:59:48 < englishman> til they hit proper voltage
2018-05-31T21:00:31 < BrainDamage> use a full h bridge so you won't have to give a fuck about the magnetization coefficient and all the fucks that cores have
2018-05-31T21:02:11 < englishman> hmm this coil is seriously underrated
2018-05-31T21:02:18 < englishman> no wonder they are burning up 25% of their shit
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2018-05-31T21:48:09 < c10ud> can you change netclass on the fly on kitecad?
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2018-05-31T21:48:36 < c10ud> e.g. I have a high current line that is used as a pull up
2018-05-31T21:48:40 < c10ud> I want the trace to be thin
2018-05-31T21:49:08 < c10ud> while the rest of the trace is big
2018-05-31T21:49:21 < c10ud> but I'd like to avoid 0 ohms and stuff
2018-05-31T21:49:49 < c10ud> ah, found it
2018-05-31T21:50:03 < c10ud> right click while routing - select trace width
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2018-05-31T23:35:09 < Thorn> I just had a cold solder joint (probably) that only passed the first 2 bytes of a packet, low level after that
2018-05-31T23:35:25 < Thorn> I love this electronics shit
2018-05-31T23:38:45 < englishman> RB1 doesnt work on PIC18F4550
2018-05-31T23:38:47 < englishman> says the client
2018-05-31T23:38:51 < englishman> everything else works
2018-05-31T23:38:52 < englishman> wtf
2018-05-31T23:39:26 < Thorn> what is RB1, a pin?
2018-05-31T23:39:59 < englishman> yeah a gpio
2018-05-31T23:41:45 < Thorn> is it somehow special, like open drain only, low current, etc.?
2018-05-31T23:42:08 < englishman> nope
2018-05-31T23:43:41 < Steffanx> lol, i wanted to know too, so i googled. https://www.microchip.com/forums/m678465.aspx
2018-05-31T23:43:43 < englishman> im 100% sure its software
2018-05-31T23:43:45 < Steffanx> it spams.
2018-05-31T23:44:03 < Steffanx> "The software license has expired. Please select one of the following options:" good work microchip
2018-05-31T23:44:26 < m4t> lmao
2018-05-31T23:44:43 < englishman> client is 100% sure it is not software
2018-05-31T23:45:14 < englishman> yeah its right there in pin mapping
2018-05-31T23:45:14 < englishman> PORTB<1> data input; weak pull-up when RBPU bit is cleared.
2018-05-31T23:45:14 < englishman> Disabled when analog input enabled.(1)
2018-05-31T23:45:30 < Steffanx> haha, pro client.
2018-05-31T23:45:47 < englishman> Configuration on POR is determined by PBADEN Configuration bit. Pins are configured as analog inputs when
2018-05-31T23:45:47 < englishman> PBADEN is set and digital inputs when PBADEN is cleared.
2018-05-31T23:45:54 < Steffanx> i know money is money, but .. didnt it scare you when they showed you the pic18f?
2018-05-31T23:45:57 < englishman> plus there's a bunch of unknown-state-on-POR pins
2018-05-31T23:46:06 < englishman> no i just charged them a fucking lot
2018-05-31T23:46:19 < Steffanx> Can you charge them again for using your time?
2018-05-31T23:46:24 < Steffanx> *wasting
2018-05-31T23:46:37 < Steffanx> (and solve their sw issue)
2018-05-31T23:47:00 < englishman> if i could charge for the former i could buy all of the netherlands with my riches
2018-05-31T23:47:09 < englishman> for the latter, maybe
2018-05-31T23:47:44 < Steffanx> Did you sell all your steel and aluminium to yankeeland yet englishman?
2018-05-31T23:47:59 < Steffanx> They're going to do 25% extra import taxes or so.
2018-05-31T23:48:05 < englishman> no, its getting sold to china for a higher price
2018-05-31T23:48:21 < englishman> just like softwood lumber 20 years ago
2018-05-31T23:50:33 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/tamagosan32768/status/1001988654385033223
2018-05-31T23:50:52 < Thorn> >Just by stabbing this, the noise of the power line is absorbed and the sound quality of the audio equipment is overwhelmingly improved!! 
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