--- Log opened Sun Jul 01 00:00:32 2018
2018-07-01T00:01:19 < Cracki> uh no
2018-07-01T00:01:24 < vampi-the-frog> but it doesn't transform it from PDM to I2S or anything
2018-07-01T00:01:31 < Cracki> the audio_dac_out is also referenced to ground
2018-07-01T00:01:47 < Cracki> and it doesn't touch the PDM_OUT stuff that's lowpassed into AIN4
2018-07-01T00:01:54 < Cracki> PDM is a digital signal
2018-07-01T00:02:04 < Cracki> the RC stuff leading up to AIN4 is an analog lowpass
2018-07-01T00:02:25 < Cracki> they throw away the digital signal, turn it into analog, then use the ADC behind AIN4 to digitize it again
2018-07-01T00:02:53 < Cracki> hm ok well, I can't estimate the effects of 10 nF and 1.2kohm
2018-07-01T00:03:16 < Cracki> but attaching it to AIN would only make sense if that's a lowpass
2018-07-01T00:03:41 < vampi-the-frog> I am not sure where Audio_DAC_OUT is connected
2018-07-01T00:03:44 < vampi-the-frog> it seems to be dangling
2018-07-01T00:03:49 < vampi-the-frog> oh PA4
2018-07-01T00:04:50 < vampi-the-frog> hmm can I configure an ADC on PA4?
2018-07-01T00:04:57 < Cracki> why in the heck do they turn digital data into analog, only to digitize it again?
2018-07-01T00:05:03 < Cracki> you can't
2018-07-01T00:05:12 < Cracki> Audio_DAC_OUT is supposed to output analog
2018-07-01T00:05:16 < Cracki> or pwm
2018-07-01T00:05:22 < Cracki> which is more likely, if it comes from an stm32
2018-07-01T00:05:43 < Cracki> does your stm32 have a ADC peripheral?
2018-07-01T00:05:52 < Cracki> nvm, of course it has
2018-07-01T00:06:00 < vampi-the-frog> I am looking it up
2018-07-01T00:06:11 < vampi-the-frog> I don't mind if it's 12 bit
2018-07-01T00:06:23 < Cracki> question would be if it has a proper DAC, or if it's just doing PWM on PA4/Audio_DAC_OUT
2018-07-01T00:06:34 < srk> \
2018-07-01T00:08:45 < vampi-the-frog> I don't understand which pins can use ADC
2018-07-01T00:09:13 < Cracki> look for the big mux/matrix
2018-07-01T00:09:24 < Cracki> or name the stm32 what's on the board
2018-07-01T00:14:33 < vampi-the-frog> the AF mapping table?
2018-07-01T00:15:02 < kakimir> if I resize partitions to fit in ssd
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2018-07-01T00:15:17 < kakimir> then do dd to smaller drive
2018-07-01T00:15:26 < kakimir> and all the partitions fit to it
2018-07-01T00:15:35 < kakimir> is there a problem?
2018-07-01T00:15:44 < kakimir> resize+move
2018-07-01T00:15:44 < srk> depends 
2018-07-01T00:15:54 < srk> on the layout, which one needs growing/resizing
2018-07-01T00:16:09 < srk> if it's in the middle it sucks. if at the end no problem
2018-07-01T00:16:25 < kakimir> I just resized middle partition
2018-07-01T00:16:29 < kakimir> that was C
2018-07-01T00:16:36 < vampi-the-frog> you can use gparted, it worked for me
2018-07-01T00:16:39 < kakimir> then I moved the disk to linux
2018-07-01T00:16:41 < vampi-the-frog> they have a bootable CD
2018-07-01T00:16:58 < kakimir> and moved recovery partition 430MB right after the C partition
2018-07-01T00:17:42 < kakimir> so total size is smaller than new SSD
2018-07-01T00:20:05 < Cracki> good luck with windows boot partitions (the 100 MB thingy)
2018-07-01T00:20:15 < kakimir> that is the first one
2018-07-01T00:20:26 < kakimir> no need to touch
2018-07-01T00:20:27 < Cracki> they seem to need some special alignment, or the main partition must not move
2018-07-01T00:20:29 < Cracki> good
2018-07-01T00:20:36 < Cracki> gparted used to fuck up the alignment
2018-07-01T00:20:38 < Cracki> so be careful
2018-07-01T00:20:45 < Cracki> typical open sores
2018-07-01T00:20:56 < Cracki> doesn't give a rat's ass about correctness
2018-07-01T00:22:47 < kakimir> fuck recovery partition
2018-07-01T00:23:04 < kakimir> C starts at the point it always did
2018-07-01T00:23:08 < kakimir> boot is untouched
2018-07-01T00:23:12 < kakimir> C is resized
2018-07-01T00:23:18 < kakimir> I have done it before
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2018-07-01T00:28:07 < kakimir> hmm
2018-07-01T00:28:30 < vampi-the-frog> I have a home server and I just copy all my files to it with rsync
2018-07-01T00:28:46 < kakimir> I can't decide if to keep dd:ing via usb2.0 or pull the system drive out and boot from usb and copy twice - triple faster
2018-07-01T00:31:07 < kakimir> I should check with iotop how much shiet is moving
2018-07-01T00:32:04 < kakimir> fuck it's slow
2018-07-01T00:32:13 < kakimir> 24MBps
2018-07-01T00:32:40 < kakimir> time to pull system drive out and do esata - sata
2018-07-01T00:32:51 < vampi-the-frog> ok see you tomorrow
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2018-07-01T00:45:04 < kakimir> okay closer to 50MBps now
2018-07-01T00:45:31 < englishman> dongs: 
2018-07-01T00:45:32 < englishman> URGENT: Betaflight Configurator v10.3.0 Might Fry Your Motors
2018-07-01T00:45:36 < kakimir> 40minutes
2018-07-01T00:45:50 < kakimir> oh shiet boi
2018-07-01T00:45:55 < kakimir> but how?
2018-07-01T00:46:05 < kakimir> there is separate ESCs?
2018-07-01T00:46:35 < englishman> idk all that stuff is literally garbage now
2018-07-01T00:47:35 < englishman> people need things to blog about for youtube clicks
2018-07-01T00:47:40 < englishman> that is where the drone money is in 2018
2018-07-01T00:47:47 < englishman> not cool stuff like simonK tax
2018-07-01T00:48:26 < kakimir> tax?
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2018-07-01T00:50:21 < englishman> yeah thats why simonK lives in the most expensive city on earth. kickbacks from drone makers for his esc software
2018-07-01T00:53:32 < Cracki> why would he not call himself SiMonk
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2018-07-01T01:04:52 < kakimir> isn't he like norwegean?
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2018-07-01T01:47:50 < Steffanx> Done for today. It works like a charm now, after fiddling around a bit. And enabling the DP pull up. ty zyp.
2018-07-01T01:47:57 < Steffanx> it = laks USB stuff.
2018-07-01T01:49:21  * karlp cheers
2018-07-01T01:51:14 < Steffanx> lol karlp
2018-07-01T01:59:37 < englishman> kakimir: 
2018-07-01T01:59:41 < englishman> turkeys in my garden again
2018-07-01T02:01:14 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/7Igi4Mc.jpg?1
2018-07-01T02:03:02 < Steffanx> Shoot em1
2018-07-01T02:03:24 < englishman> congrats stef
2018-07-01T02:04:23 < Steffanx> Yes, ill send you some waffles to celebrate.
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2018-07-01T02:05:34 < Steffanx> and to stvn.
2018-07-01T02:08:00 < stvn> https://cdnyutorah.cachefly.net/_images/roshei_yeshiva/shmuel_weinberg_lp.jpg
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2018-07-01T02:17:31 < kakimir> englishman: today you have turkey dinner?
2018-07-01T02:27:48 < kakimir> you teach the turkeys that your field is not for them
2018-07-01T02:29:19 < Steffanx> Turkey on his semi-auto bqq it is 
2018-07-01T02:29:26 < Steffanx> Bbq*
2018-07-01T02:30:48 < stvn> pull a foot out of the garden mate
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2018-07-01T02:33:35 < Laurenceb__> I'm back
2018-07-01T02:33:39 < stvn> Laurenceb__: https://youtu.be/YqDRA60AgNs?t=53s
2018-07-01T02:34:08 < Laurenceb__> hello
2018-07-01T02:34:16 < Laurenceb__> so many producers in the credits
2018-07-01T02:34:48 < stvn> good morning dr.b
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2018-07-01T02:59:18 < upgrdman> witnesses a police heli land under the freeway today. managed to record a video of when it took back off:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG60euETFKk
2018-07-01T02:59:41 < upgrdman> no idea why it was there. guessing training, since they were slow and didn't seem to accomplish anything.
2018-07-01T03:03:34 < stvn> why didn't it blow up?
2018-07-01T03:03:59 < upgrdman> good question
2018-07-01T03:05:25 < Laurenceb__> Los Angleys O_o
2018-07-01T03:05:30 < Laurenceb__> not even once
2018-07-01T03:06:42 < upgrdman> Laurenceb__, ?
2018-07-01T03:07:09 < Laurenceb__> I wouldnt live there if I was paid to :P
2018-07-01T03:08:45 < upgrdman> Laurenceb__, too many ppl?
2018-07-01T03:09:02 < upgrdman> anyway, ya, LA sucks
2018-07-01T03:09:12 < upgrdman> OC is nicer, but still too fucking dense
2018-07-01T03:09:24 < Laurenceb__> too hot, too dry, too much pollution, too many gangsters
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2018-07-01T03:09:41 < Cracki> like it's better in the UK
2018-07-01T03:09:51 < Cracki> too wet, too much mouth and foot
2018-07-01T03:10:00 < Laurenceb__> kek foot and mouth
2018-07-01T03:10:05 < Laurenceb__> that was ages ago
2018-07-01T03:10:23 < Cracki> never forget
2018-07-01T03:10:25 < stvn> blown
2018-07-01T03:10:49 < Cracki> recently I looked up the most efficient animal cadaver incinerators...
2018-07-01T03:11:11 < Cracki> what you can buy "off the rack" is up to 1200 kg/hour per machine
2018-07-01T03:11:28 < Cracki> they're the size of cargo containers
2018-07-01T03:11:57 < Cracki> when you had foot and mouth, you had to turn millions of cadavers into smoke
2018-07-01T03:12:10 < Cracki> I heard most weren't burned, but just buried (wtf?)
2018-07-01T03:12:59 < Cracki> lel 6 million https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_United_Kingdom_foot-and-mouth_outbreak
2018-07-01T03:13:08 < Laurenceb__> Cracki confirmed as literally Hitler
2018-07-01T03:13:13 < Cracki> can't make this shit up
2018-07-01T03:13:50 < Cracki> I wonder a little about the logistics
2018-07-01T03:14:05 < Laurenceb__> today I was stick shifting at the most ebil junction ever https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.0131685,-1.3517563,20z
2018-07-01T03:14:37 < Cracki> 3way
2018-07-01T03:14:56 < Laurenceb__> lights with ~20% slope
2018-07-01T03:14:58 < Cracki> does it have traffic lights?
2018-07-01T03:15:03 < Cracki> wat
2018-07-01T03:15:22 < Laurenceb__> handbrake start practice 
2018-07-01T03:15:30 < Cracki> ah!
2018-07-01T03:15:48 < Cracki> honk and let roll?
2018-07-01T03:16:02 < Laurenceb__> heh
2018-07-01T03:16:11 < stvn> just rip her up mate
2018-07-01T03:16:28 < stvn> give it some russell crowe
2018-07-01T03:19:11 < Laurenceb__> I managed ot stall 3 times today
2018-07-01T03:19:23 < Laurenceb__> also tried going into first gear while moving
2018-07-01T03:19:24 < Laurenceb__> doh
2018-07-01T03:20:44 < Cracki> electrical vehicles have the advantage there
2018-07-01T03:21:44 < Cracki> in case anyone has need to bury lots of diseased carcasses http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00Man/VeterinaryTechniques/FMDVetIndTech/FMDCarcass_Bury_Technique.htm
2018-07-01T03:25:30 < Laurenceb__> sounds...exciting
2018-07-01T03:25:39 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/c56ff4ce4a/120259.jpg
2018-07-01T03:26:55 < Cracki> eh
2018-07-01T03:27:20 < Cracki> how did that baby "from the orient" happen
2018-07-01T03:27:23 < Laurenceb__> literally all true
2018-07-01T03:27:33 < Cracki> ah, it's him!
2018-07-01T03:27:35 < Laurenceb__> its the true life story of Elliot
2018-07-01T03:28:02 < Cracki> so his father is brandon?
2018-07-01T03:28:03 < Cracki> ic
2018-07-01T03:29:00 < Cracki> apropos... de vito's offspring are such 56%ers
2018-07-01T03:29:11 < Cracki> wait, not him, the other dude
2018-07-01T03:29:14 < Cracki> de niro
2018-07-01T03:29:34 < Cracki> I can't tell italians apart
2018-07-01T03:31:46 < stvn> the italians
2018-07-01T03:32:00 < dongs> sup blogs
2018-07-01T03:32:05 < dongs> one of my dells didnt power up again this morning
2018-07-01T03:32:12 < dongs> chatting from right side monitor
2018-07-01T03:34:39 < stvn> well that's no good
2018-07-01T03:35:44 < dongs> yeah i wish I didnt haev to use 5 years old monitors and could buy something newer with HDCP2.0
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2018-07-01T03:44:57 < Laurenceb__> on Monday I have to do a demonstration of muh gui
2018-07-01T03:45:04 < Laurenceb__> inb4 segfault
2018-07-01T03:45:15 < dongs> if your QT code is as shit as your embedded code
2018-07-01T03:45:19 < dongs> im not surprised
2018-07-01T03:45:52 < Laurenceb__> top trawl
2018-07-01T03:54:25 < aandrew> someone stole timecop's code repo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKgxuREq9DU
2018-07-01T03:55:24 < dongs> haha
2018-07-01T03:55:31 < dongs> i read the article about that last night
2018-07-01T03:55:40 < dongs> "company director apologized for the failure"
2018-07-01T03:55:44 < dongs> so fucking typical japanese
2018-07-01T03:59:16 < Laurenceb__> >not throwing himself into the fire
2018-07-01T03:59:28 < Laurenceb__> aftermath photos dont actually look too bad
2018-07-01T03:59:40 < stvn> lol
2018-07-01T04:00:43 < stvn> was it full of fucking anime mate?
2018-07-01T04:01:25 < dongs> where's photos?
2018-07-01T04:02:03 < Laurenceb__> nasaspaceflight, where else
2018-07-01T04:02:37 < Laurenceb__> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/assets/42521.0/1498116.jpg
2018-07-01T04:02:44 < Laurenceb__> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=42521.140
2018-07-01T04:05:06 < dongs> ya i mean its just a toy rocket basically
2018-07-01T04:05:18 < dongs> and launched in hokkaido they dont even have a proper launch facility there
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2018-07-01T04:08:41 < Laurenceb__> waifu located https://imgoat.com/uploads/c56ff4ce4a/120260.jpg
2018-07-01T04:09:43 < Laurenceb__> irk kek https://imgoat.com/uploads/c56ff4ce4a/120261.jpg
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2018-07-01T04:11:25 < dongs> time for you to go to bed, laurence/b/
2018-07-01T04:11:34 < Laurenceb__> ikr, 2am
2018-07-01T04:11:42 < Laurenceb__> too many lulzy memes to find 
2018-07-01T04:17:29 < stvn> lol @ comments disabled for the youtube vid
2018-07-01T04:26:54 < stvn> all that effort to login 2 youtube for nothing
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2018-07-01T05:19:57 < dongs> https://imgur.com/a/HFRyM5J nice
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2018-07-01T06:01:03 < Sadale> <Rickta59> I did tell you there was a ##stm32 Sadale, I think I also said no one would answer your question :)
2018-07-01T06:01:22 < Sadale> Rickta59, you did. I joined anyway because I have been using STM32 chips quite a lot lately. :P
2018-07-01T06:05:08 < MrMobius> Laurenceb, does waifu have a model of a human fetus attached to her gas mask?
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2018-07-01T08:03:05 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/JCNZwsQ
2018-07-01T08:03:09 < bitmask> pen holder came out pretty good
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2018-07-01T10:20:15 < stvn> lol
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2018-07-01T10:46:52 < stvn> Edward Snowdick from Dicky Leaks
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2018-07-01T11:06:17 < stvn> https://i.imgur.com/kcspLPE.jpg
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2018-07-01T11:08:51 < Sadale> what game it is
2018-07-01T11:10:03 < dongs> desktop lunix
2018-07-01T11:10:11 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/N7cjo8P.gifv
2018-07-01T11:11:00 < Sadale> looks like a toy spider
2018-07-01T11:11:25 < BrainDamage> you can even see the wheels underneath
2018-07-01T11:12:01 < BrainDamage> but it's realistic enough for the cat
2018-07-01T11:12:15 < Sadale> hmm
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2018-07-01T11:27:46 < stvn> lol
2018-07-01T11:28:53 < stvn> Sadale: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkwhxh5txJ0
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2018-07-01T12:31:59 < Steffanx> Whos vid/pid did you steal btw, zyp?
2018-07-01T12:32:47 < Steffanx> Just for testing purposes i took arcin and made it run on my f0 board.
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2018-07-01T13:19:09 < invzim> pros.. anyone done a usb host board?
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2018-07-01T13:41:00 < Sadale> stvn, wtf?
2018-07-01T13:42:41 < Steffanx> Sadale, fwiw: stvn is known as a true pumper :P
2018-07-01T13:43:14 < Sadale> pumper? What's that?
2018-07-01T13:44:00 < Sadale> Here's a funny vid BTW. "Toradora - Minori's Tongue Rolling English Dub vs Japanese Original" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McRIyh1t4mg
2018-07-01T13:44:38 < Steffanx> idk, but he is one, Sadale
2018-07-01T13:44:41 < Steffanx> Isnt it stvn?
2018-07-01T13:44:45 < Sadale> What does that mean?
2018-07-01T13:45:11 < Sadale> Is that someone who does plumbering or something? I've never seen this word elsewhere.
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2018-07-01T13:58:03 < stvn> Steffanx: https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/25yo-seriously-injured-in-canadian-train-surfing-accident/news-story/4e5669d295136ff8f4b60789085ab5e3
2018-07-01T13:59:05 < stvn> clever aussie
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2018-07-01T14:00:41 < Sadale> wtf she's doing?
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2018-07-01T14:46:33 < dongs> train surfing sounds like a surefire way to end up in teh darwin book of records
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2018-07-01T15:55:01 < dongs> kawaii timeout
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2018-07-01T16:05:00 < englishman> the pig that was in Babe was ordered to be killed in the hoof and mouth ordeal
2018-07-01T16:05:34 < Steffanx> Awh.
2018-07-01T16:06:37 < Steffanx> It should've ended up on your bbq right?
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2018-07-01T16:08:55 < englishman> we actually have pigs this year
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2018-07-01T16:15:23 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/c56ff4ce4a/120319.jpg
2018-07-01T16:15:26 < Laurenceb__> accurate
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2018-07-01T18:00:38 < Tectu> this blaxer
2018-07-01T18:03:41 < Laurenceb__> sup
2018-07-01T18:04:03  * Laurenceb__ sends Tectu to the gym
2018-07-01T18:04:53 < Tectu> tectu doesn´t gyum
2018-07-01T18:05:06 < Laurenceb__> Chad confirmed
2018-07-01T18:05:06 < Tectu> apparently so hard that he doesn´t even know how to write it
2018-07-01T18:05:20 < Tectu> I come from a farmer family
2018-07-01T18:05:23 < Tectu> I know how to work
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2018-07-01T18:58:02 < Laurenceb__> my sides are in orbit https://imgoat.com/uploads/c56ff4ce4a/120338.jpg
2018-07-01T19:01:32 < antto> your "sides" ? dafuq does that mean?
2018-07-01T19:05:07 < Cracki> slang
2018-07-01T19:06:02 < antto> ..meaning.. what?
2018-07-01T19:06:19 < Cracki> laughing, holding your sides, sides escape, ...
2018-07-01T19:06:46 < Cracki> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/my-sides
2018-07-01T19:08:23 < Cracki> and nobody has figured out what to do with the billions of low-brain people once their jobs are done by machines
2018-07-01T19:08:59 < Cracki> in a recent movie there was this buff dude who snapped his fingers...
2018-07-01T19:09:19 < Laurenceb__> it's like they took a TED talk unironically when drawing dat shit
2018-07-01T19:09:34 < Cracki> the suit drones with HMDs...
2018-07-01T19:09:52 < Cracki> in germany we call that "Hans-guck-in-die-Luft", staring into the sky dreaming
2018-07-01T19:10:24 < Cracki> apropos robots: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4122068/
2018-07-01T19:10:50 < Cracki> starts a bit slow for the first episodes but then it's packed
2018-07-01T19:11:45 < Laurenceb__> come on russia
2018-07-01T19:11:52 < Laurenceb__> tfw I dont even know what the rules are
2018-07-01T19:12:07 < Laurenceb__> I used to watch it when I was liek 5 years old and it was golden goal
2018-07-01T19:15:07 < Laurenceb__> looks like they have a half time in extra tiem
2018-07-01T19:15:10 < Laurenceb__> or something...
2018-07-01T19:16:49 < Laurenceb__> le ball kicking activities
2018-07-01T19:23:02 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/c56ff4ce4a/120342.png
2018-07-01T19:23:33 < Cracki> search for "zabivaka" (russian soccer mascot) on e621.net
2018-07-01T19:27:32 < antto> i don't need an action cam to drink mah pepsi
2018-07-01T19:37:17 < Cracki> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhCBDJtW4AAItYu.jpg:orig "make them afraid again" ?
2018-07-01T19:45:14 < Laurenceb__> Spain btfo
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2018-07-01T20:11:06 < kakimir> 2hours 5minutes collected
2018-07-01T20:11:36 < kakimir> apparently I need 1h30mins until I get passenger flight approval
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2018-07-01T20:41:46 < Steffanx> cool mr kakimir
2018-07-01T20:44:23 < kakimir> get into aviation
2018-07-01T20:44:29 < kakimir> collect time and pay for it
2018-07-01T20:44:41 < kakimir> every pilot knows
2018-07-01T20:46:37 < Steffanx> yes... even non-pilots know that kakimir
2018-07-01T20:46:45 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BkrgdNOF5Qv/
2018-07-01T20:47:31 < Steffanx> russians and their wild animals
2018-07-01T20:49:50 < Laurenceb__> THIS WC IS SO OBVIOUSLY FIXED FOR SOME MINNOW TO WIN IT! THE MOST BORING, PREDICTABLE AND POOR WORLD CUP EVER!!!!! BOOOORIIING!!! WHAT RUBBISH!!THE BEAUTIFUL GAME FINISHED ALONG TIME AGO!!
2018-07-01T20:50:38 < Steffanx> kakimir, what kind air plane with passengers will you be allowed to fly?
2018-07-01T20:51:17 < Thorn> lol wild animals. these are wild animals https://www.instagram.com/p/BksXld_gq-_/
2018-07-01T20:51:50 < Laurenceb__> Russian hackers hacked the ball
2018-07-01T20:53:30 < Steffanx> Laurenceb__, im not sure if you are aware, but your autism kicked in.
2018-07-01T20:53:52 < Laurenceb__> I like muh copypastas
2018-07-01T20:56:03 < Steffanx> Yes empathy isn't often a strong point for autistic.
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2018-07-01T21:18:35 < kakimir> Steffanx: still gliders
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2018-07-01T21:19:19 < kakimir> busy day at the field
2018-07-01T21:19:24 < kakimir> only one glider available
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2018-07-01T21:20:39 < kakimir> I took the old faithful that was left in hangar
2018-07-01T21:20:44 < kakimir> super fun thing
2018-07-01T21:21:02 < Steffanx> Glider with passenger. What's the difference between a glider with and without passenger? 
2018-07-01T21:21:10 < Steffanx> I mean its just an extra seat right?
2018-07-01T21:22:26 < kakimir> single seater build like a glass fiber boat. you can basically crash it and it stays intact
2018-07-01T21:22:37 < kakimir> heavy as shit
2018-07-01T21:23:08 < kakimir> such single seater that is given to fresh pilots after getting licence
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2018-07-01T21:23:48 < kakimir> "unbreakable"
2018-07-01T21:25:14 < kakimir> Steffanx: 2 or 3 seater and there is more than pilot in the plane?
2018-07-01T21:25:25 < kakimir> there is 3 seaters too - crazy
2018-07-01T21:26:01 < kakimir> usually 2 seaters are reffered as "trainers"
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2018-07-01T21:32:37 < kakimir> landing is crazy with those solo planes
2018-07-01T21:32:48 < kakimir> brakes are so powerful
2018-07-01T21:32:56 < kakimir> it _drops_
2018-07-01T21:36:30 < kakimir> and so sensitive adjustment
2018-07-01T21:36:42 < kakimir> brakes pull open with quite a force
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2018-07-01T21:53:15 < jadew> how do you straighten a key ring?
2018-07-01T21:54:51 < jadew> I want a straight wire, that's very elastic
2018-07-01T22:00:40 < kakimir> elastic or springy?
2018-07-01T22:00:49 < jadew> isn't that the same thing?
2018-07-01T22:00:58 < kakimir> idk
2018-07-01T22:01:17 < Steffanx> http://www.industrial-springs.com/ :P
2018-07-01T22:01:34 < jadew> Steffanx heh
2018-07-01T22:01:53 < kakimir> hmm
2018-07-01T22:02:05 < kakimir> buy rc servo rod
2018-07-01T22:02:14 < kakimir> it's straight by default
2018-07-01T22:03:14 < Steffanx> bought some stuff there once, 5 euro for fedex shipping isnt that bad.
2018-07-01T22:03:32 < jadew> hmm, I might be able to use a spring from a clothespin
2018-07-01T22:03:55 < jadew> Steffanx, I'll check them out, thanks
2018-07-01T22:04:16 < jadew> bbl, movie time
2018-07-01T22:04:18 < Steffanx> their wire springs seem to be not so cheap though, probably because you have to buy 1meter or so
2018-07-01T22:04:21 < Steffanx> what movie
2018-07-01T22:04:36 < jadew> not sure yet
2018-07-01T22:04:50 < Steffanx> Watched this new netflix movie today. Tau.
2018-07-01T22:04:56 < Steffanx> Not sure what to think
2018-07-01T22:05:01 < jadew> was it good? I saw it being advertised
2018-07-01T22:05:48 < jadew> have to go, ttyl
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2018-07-01T22:06:23 < Steffanx> wife calls :P
2018-07-01T22:07:22 < kakimir> first time in years?
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2018-07-01T22:21:25 < mitrax_> kakimir: he meant jade's wife
2018-07-01T22:23:38 < Steffanx> what mitrax_ said
2018-07-01T22:23:45 < Steffanx> and hello welcome mitrax_
2018-07-01T22:23:49 < Laurenceb__> ree where is stvn
2018-07-01T22:23:50 < mitrax_> Steffanx: hi sir
2018-07-01T22:23:57 < Laurenceb__> I have a meme 4 him
2018-07-01T22:24:06 < Steffanx> i have a meme for you.
2018-07-01T22:24:51 < vampi-the-frog> is there a way to setup a double buffered DMA transfer with variable buffer size?
2018-07-01T22:25:15 < vampi-the-frog> ie after I send one buffer, I set the length for the next one?
2018-07-01T22:26:59 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: ##stm32-transsexuals
2018-07-01T22:28:25 < con3> Has anyone encountered the error : "failure in target software startup script" When trying to debug. The debugger connects and then produces this error
2018-07-01T22:30:51 < Steffanx> TrueStudio?
2018-07-01T22:31:16 < con3> Steffanx: Yes! It always worked and now just stopped
2018-07-01T22:32:03 < Steffanx> does it also say sometihng in the console about "load bllblalblla 0x800.." and "socket closed" something?
2018-07-01T22:32:32 < Steffanx> If yes, then i had exactly the same error while i was messing with truestudio yesterday, but now it comes... i have no clue how i fixed it :P
2018-07-01T22:33:58 < con3> Steffanx: I'll need to check. Did you just run the code again with no changes and it worked?
2018-07-01T22:34:17 < Steffanx> No, it happened while i was messign with the project settings. (not the debugger settings)
2018-07-01T22:34:31 < Steffanx> Mainly compiler/linker settings
2018-07-01T22:37:51 < con3> Steffanx: Thats very interesting, I'm checking the atollic forum and will see if I can find anything. One guy just switched to Keil and it worked
2018-07-01T22:38:05 < Steffanx> switched to keil.. HAH :D
2018-07-01T22:38:14 < PaulFertser> Or switch to upstream OpenOCD and then the error will most probably be obvious.
2018-07-01T22:38:32 < vampi-the-frog> I am trying to send I2S data on SPI3 but I don't want to send it sample by sample
2018-07-01T22:38:38 < vampi-the-frog> but my buffer might vary in size
2018-07-01T22:38:38 < Steffanx> Yes, that too PaulFertser.
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2018-07-01T22:42:17 < Steffanx> Cant reproduce the error though, con3
2018-07-01T22:43:03 < Steffanx> perhaps the console says more about the error you have 
2018-07-01T22:54:06 < con3> Steffanx: It pops the "Failure in 'Targer Software Startup Scripts' . Please edit the debug configuration settings" out and then in the console just says it can't find main.c :/
2018-07-01T22:57:36 < Steffanx> and when you make a new debug config it still fails?
2018-07-01T23:03:44 < englishman> hello sunday innovators
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2018-07-01T23:10:49 < Steffanx> Welcome gunny.
2018-07-01T23:18:24 < englishman> interesting approach
2018-07-01T23:20:25 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/82PAoEm.jpg
2018-07-01T23:20:33 < englishman> tiny cow
2018-07-01T23:21:31 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2018-07-01T23:21:39 < Laurenceb__> Steve Bannon did biosphere 2
2018-07-01T23:21:40 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2018-07-01T23:21:51 < Laurenceb__> I didnt see that one coming
2018-07-01T23:25:08 < Steffanx> I see spring is doing well in canada, englishman
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2018-07-01T23:38:07 < Steffanx> Can you send stvn some fresh maple syrup englishman? He seems down a bit lately
2018-07-01T23:39:44 < englishman> diabetes is the answer
2018-07-01T23:52:29 < karlp> fuck, did someone let laurance have a license?!
2018-07-01T23:54:58 < Laurenceb__> muh shitposting loicense
2018-07-01T23:59:49 < karlp> unfortunately, shit posting doesn't require a license.
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2018-07-02T00:03:43 < Steffanx> Laurence doesnt have a license, he didnt pass the theory exam.
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2018-07-02T00:05:16 < zyp> I thought Laurenceb__ were all about theories
2018-07-02T00:06:03 < stvn> Memes
2018-07-02T00:06:21 < Steffanx> Not when it comes to street signs it seems
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2018-07-02T00:06:50 < stvn> Hi sport
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2018-07-02T00:10:32 < mitrax_> stvn: hi
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2018-07-02T00:11:03 < Steffanx> Hello Kumpel stvn
2018-07-02T00:16:08 < stvn> Gooday
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2018-07-02T00:36:47 < jadew> Steffanx, yep :)
2018-07-02T00:37:00 < jadew> anyway, I want to make a PCB clamp
2018-07-02T00:37:14 < jadew> and I'm wondering what kind of springs I could use
2018-07-02T00:37:32 < jadew> the clamp would have its flexing point at the base
2018-07-02T00:38:10 < jadew> so I would pull it back, put the PCB in and then release
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2018-07-02T00:39:12 < jadew> I like this type of holder but it's a bit too big: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1103401
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2018-07-02T00:40:26 < Steffanx> book marked though :P
2018-07-02T00:40:58 < jadew> yeah, it's great, it's inspired from one that weller makes
2018-07-02T00:41:39 < jadew> this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMLoXg-yBes
2018-07-02T00:43:00 < Steffanx> Whats that arm thingy?
2018-07-02T00:43:15 < jadew> to hold components while it's upside down
2018-07-02T00:43:21 < jadew> through hole ones
2018-07-02T00:43:28 < jadew> so you can solder them on the other side
2018-07-02T00:43:53 < Steffanx> ah
2018-07-02T00:44:07 < jadew> should be useful
2018-07-02T00:44:52 < karlp> I have one of those ones linked at work, it's pretty lame really.
2018-07-02T00:45:04 < jadew> karlp, what's wrong with it?
2018-07-02T00:45:25 < karlp> I found it awkward to setup, fiddle to hold things, and virtually no better than just laying it on the desk.
2018-07-02T00:45:35 < jadew> interesting
2018-07-02T00:45:36 < karlp> it's not rigid enough either.
2018-07-02T00:45:42 < jadew> I have one of these: https://cdn-reichelt.de/bilder/web/xxl_ws/D320/DONAUPPH2.png
2018-07-02T00:46:03 < jadew> it's fine for the most part, but I want to make a pair of clamps for it
2018-07-02T00:46:04 < karlp> it's meant to have some spongy arm that can hold parts down or something, but it basically just sits on a shelf.
2018-07-02T00:46:05 < stvn> Cool
2018-07-02T00:46:18 < Steffanx> Those screws are directly on the pcb?
2018-07-02T00:46:24 < karlp> our pcbs are also "small" compared to that sort of holder
2018-07-02T00:46:26 < jadew> Steffanx, yeah... that's why I want the clamps
2018-07-02T00:46:34 < jadew> like the blue things here: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:12756
2018-07-02T00:46:36 < karlp> if you're amking jumbotron stuff, sure, maybe.
2018-07-02T00:46:53 < karlp> I can see those ones aandrew linked on a metal magnet base being more useful for small and oddly shaped pcbs
2018-07-02T00:47:14 < karlp> I can't see how that blue vise one is going to be rigid enough to be pleasant.
2018-07-02T00:47:28 < jadew> yeah, those look good too, but I like the ability to turn the board upside down
2018-07-02T00:47:37 < karlp> Steffanx: that "arm thingy" is really shit on ours at least.
2018-07-02T00:47:48 < karlp> jadew: stop making double sided assembly boards like a pleb then ;)
2018-07-02T00:48:07 < Steffanx> who uses through hole anyway?
2018-07-02T00:48:21 < karlp> jadew obviously ;)
2018-07-02T00:48:23 < jadew> karlp, I have a bunch of through hole connectors
2018-07-02T00:48:32 < Steffanx> except for some random connectors.
2018-07-02T00:48:37 < jadew> yeah, it's for connectors
2018-07-02T00:48:56 < karlp> well, have fun if you've decided, but IMO, it's nowhere near as useful as you might think
2018-07-02T00:49:14 < jadew> karlp, no, I haven't decided on that one, I just want to make a pair of clamps for the one I have
2018-07-02T00:49:29 < Steffanx> thats why 3d printing is nice. Just print it, try it, trash it :)
2018-07-02T00:49:33 < jadew> for faster mounting/unmounting and because I don't want the screw marks on the PCB
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2018-07-02T00:52:04 < Laurenceb__> sup stvn  https://imgoat.com/uploads/c56ff4ce4a/120364.png
2018-07-02T00:52:16 < jadew> I wonder how this one works: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:12756
2018-07-02T00:52:19 < jadew> any ideas?
2018-07-02T00:52:41 < karlp> I jsut don't imagine it will be rigid enough, at least on the mount they've got it there.
2018-07-02T00:52:57 < jadew> karlp, no, I want it on this: https://cdn-reichelt.de/bilder/web/xxl_ws/D320/DONAUPPH2.png
2018-07-02T00:53:10 < jadew> that one is very rigid
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2018-07-02T00:54:40 < jadew> hmm, I guess I don't need a spring after all
2018-07-02T00:54:56 < jadew> I can just make a longer strip of plastic
2018-07-02T00:55:18 < jadew> have the clamps held by an arm, instead of directly connecting them to the rod
2018-07-02T00:55:21  * karlp goes through every single open tab and decides he's still uninterested in "work" stuff
2018-07-02T00:56:34 < jadew> when browsing for a PCB holder I also found this: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:801279
2018-07-02T00:56:43 < jadew> (which looks really interesting)
2018-07-02T00:59:02 < englishman> wtf
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2018-07-02T01:03:05 < stvn> Lol Laurenceb__
2018-07-02T01:03:17 < Laurenceb__> >anything on thingiverse  >interesting
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2018-07-02T01:05:23 < Steffanx> Better print yourself an egg scuplture Laurenceb__
2018-07-02T01:05:52 < Laurenceb__> too busy working on muh gui https://imgoat.com/uploads/c56ff4ce4a/120395.png
2018-07-02T01:07:11 < Steffanx> Should add some fancy database + file icons instead of pure text
2018-07-02T01:07:17 < Steffanx> and needs more chaos
2018-07-02T01:07:37 < Steffanx> and im proud of you. You wrote Qt and not qt or QT.
2018-07-02T01:08:05 < Steffanx> but then you failed on "MATLAB".
2018-07-02T01:10:13 < Laurenceb__> the database part doesnt exist and never will
2018-07-02T01:13:01 < Laurenceb__> http://lea.hamradio.si/~s57uuu/mischam/magnetr/magn1.gif
2018-07-02T01:13:07 < Laurenceb__> whatcouldgowrong.gif
2018-07-02T01:13:27 < stvn> Is that a bomb
2018-07-02T01:14:50 < Laurenceb__> cheapscate v high power transmitter
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2018-07-02T02:23:57 < jadew> hai 2 u
2018-07-02T02:37:58 < Cracki> jadew, the vise? wedges
2018-07-02T02:38:55 < Cracki> look at the small brackets in 3d
2018-07-02T02:39:28 < jadew> saw them, you have to push those in & out when you want to move it, right?
2018-07-02T02:39:40 < Cracki> yes
2018-07-02T02:39:42 < jadew> I think I found a better solution
2018-07-02T02:39:46 < Cracki> look liek you can do that single handedly
2018-07-02T02:40:17 < Cracki> ya just do something with springs
2018-07-02T02:41:01 < Cracki> as for the jaws, I'd do something with a hinge, so it applies the force to the middle of the pcb edges, not to the corners nearest to the spine of the vise
2018-07-02T02:41:29 < Cracki> that thingiverse construction looks way too flimsy and unsound
2018-07-02T02:41:39 < jadew> I am doing something with a hinge
2018-07-02T02:41:59 < jadew> but I have no springs, so I'll make something out of plastic
2018-07-02T02:42:07 < Cracki> rubber band then
2018-07-02T02:42:17 < Cracki> or a screw
2018-07-02T02:42:28 < jadew> I kinda want to try this and see how well it works
2018-07-02T02:51:42 < Laurenceb__> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkK_Oz9UgAAnTWh.jpg:small
2018-07-02T03:08:42 < Cracki> >problematic
2018-07-02T03:08:47 < Cracki> helicopter ride now
2018-07-02T03:15:24 < jadew> this is what I have so far: https://imgur.com/a/FD93bkP
2018-07-02T03:15:46 < jadew> and I want to add a plastic arm on the part that gets fixed on the rod, which will push on the blade
2018-07-02T03:16:21 < jadew> I don't really like that solution, but I'm out of ideas right now
2018-07-02T03:16:49 < jadew> a small, straight spring, would be ideal there
2018-07-02T03:17:07 < jadew> I could put it on the back of the blade and it would work fine
2018-07-02T03:17:58 < jadew> the hole for the hinge is in the wrong position
2018-07-02T03:19:45 < Cracki> are you sure you want to do this in openscad?
2018-07-02T03:19:56 < Cracki> I know from personal experience how painful it is
2018-07-02T03:20:18 < jadew> no, I actually feel the need for something better, but I don't have the time to learn to use anything else right now
2018-07-02T03:20:47 < Cracki> check out whatever free offerings the commercial ones have. fusion 360 should be free.
2018-07-02T03:21:10 < jadew> yeah, but again, I don't really want to invest the time to learn it right now
2018-07-02T03:21:13 < jadew> maybe later this week
2018-07-02T03:21:15 < Cracki> ignore freecad, it's impossible to use unless you know the commercial software they try to imitate
2018-07-02T03:21:22 < Cracki> invest 1 hour
2018-07-02T03:21:34 < Cracki> or make some sketches and show me
2018-07-02T03:21:58 < jadew> thank you, but I couldn't
2018-07-02T03:22:28 < jadew> I'll get it done like this now and if it works I'll go for fusion
2018-07-02T03:25:17 < jadew> I've gotten used to openscad, but it has a lot of missing features
2018-07-02T03:25:29 < jadew> + the calling convention is stupid
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2018-07-02T03:26:35 < jadew> for some functions you have to pass the parameters like normal, for others you have to pass them in an array and for others you have to specify them by name
2018-07-02T03:26:38 < jadew> it's just a mess
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2018-07-02T03:35:54 < Laurenceb__> I just tried to work out how power efficient the Rpi3b+ is
2018-07-02T03:36:06 < Laurenceb__> answer, 14 times less efficient than xeon server
2018-07-02T03:36:22 < Laurenceb__> rpi btfo
2018-07-02T03:38:56 < Cracki> this is just a few clicks. most of the work is coming up with a construction that uses parameters "nicely" https://imgur.com/vK3cest
2018-07-02T03:39:17 < Cracki> uh what's it showing...
2018-07-02T03:39:41 < Cracki> https://imgur.com/MJFLDdv
2018-07-02T03:40:42 < Cracki> rpis aren't for computation
2018-07-02T03:40:51 < Cracki> there are "rpi compute modules" but scaleway does it better
2018-07-02T03:41:01 < jadew> heh Cracki
2018-07-02T03:41:09 < jadew> that's how easy it is in fusion?
2018-07-02T03:41:38 < Ultrasauce> try solvespace
2018-07-02T03:41:41 < Cracki> I have a space mouse so I can use both hands, and I've been using inventor and fusion since 2015 (hobby)
2018-07-02T03:41:53 < jadew> Ultrasauce, tried it, it has lots of missing features
2018-07-02T03:42:19 < jadew> space mouse? is that some minority report thing?
2018-07-02T03:42:20 < Cracki> but it's rather easy. all the operations start from a 2d sketch (circles, rectangles, lines, whatever) and then you extrude along the (relative) z axis or do a revolution...
2018-07-02T03:42:33 < Cracki> and then of course you have solid union, subtraction, intersection, ...
2018-07-02T03:42:49 < Cracki> space mouse is a 6-axis (translation, rotation) controller. it's a "cap" you manipulate.
2018-07-02T03:43:29 < Cracki> if you don't have that, you have to use the mouse for construction AND navigation
2018-07-02T03:44:02 < Cracki> while sketching, you don't have to enter any concrete measurements either
2018-07-02T03:44:04 < jadew> it's specifically made for 3D manipulation?
2018-07-02T03:44:25 < jadew> fusion can be parametric tho, right?
2018-07-02T03:44:48 < Cracki> yes. this is the manufacturer https://www.3dconnexion.com/
2018-07-02T03:45:00 < Cracki> fusion and inventor are parametric
2018-07-02T03:45:07 < Cracki> everything can reference other geometry
2018-07-02T03:45:19 < Cracki> but "parametric" also in the sense that you can reference a spreadsheet
2018-07-02T03:45:45 < jadew> neat
2018-07-02T03:45:51 < Cracki> or just click the dimension, change it, and everything will follow if it references it either numerically or geometrically
2018-07-02T03:46:11 < jadew> yeah, I have to start learning fusion
2018-07-02T03:46:27 < Cracki> it's clunky if you have to do programmatic geometry generation... there's a javascript scripting interface at least in inventor
2018-07-02T03:46:32 < jadew> I've done a couple of objects in openscad and often it seems like it could do more for me
2018-07-02T03:47:04 < Cracki> lots of stuff you can do without it... such as function-defined surfaces (surface plots) or function-defined spirals in space
2018-07-02T03:47:18 < Cracki> openscad is text. that's its limit.
2018-07-02T03:47:28 < Cracki> inventor is graphical. that's its limit.
2018-07-02T03:47:29 < jadew> yeah
2018-07-02T03:48:06 < jadew> any suggestion on how to put a spring on that thing?
2018-07-02T03:48:16 < jadew> I don't think plastic will work
2018-07-02T03:48:20 < Cracki> it's commercial software, so they do have support for "variants management", i.e. parts that differ in some variables (handled via "spreadsheet")
2018-07-02T03:48:20 < jadew> not well anyway
2018-07-02T03:48:27 < Cracki> rubber band
2018-07-02T03:48:35 < jadew> where would you put it?
2018-07-02T03:48:35 < Cracki> or a gigantic plastic spring
2018-07-02T03:48:47 < Cracki> rubber band? depends on what it has to apply force to
2018-07-02T03:48:59 < jadew> it has to push the blade away :)
2018-07-02T03:49:48 < jadew> I can probably get some pens and get the springs out of them
2018-07-02T03:49:51 < Cracki> so a rubber band would need to pull towards the other direction
2018-07-02T03:49:54 < Cracki> or that
2018-07-02T03:50:18 < jadew> I'm thinking a spring on the thing that connects on the rod, parallel to the blade
2018-07-02T03:50:30 < jadew> and the blad could have an extension with a pin going inside that spring
2018-07-02T03:50:44 < jadew> so when you push it back, it pushes on the spring
2018-07-02T03:51:54 < jadew> maybe I can make a cylinder with a slot on the side so the blade's lever can go through that slot
2018-07-02T03:52:01 < jadew> (so the spring won't fly away)
2018-07-02T03:52:59 < jadew> going to find some springs
2018-07-02T03:55:54 < Laurenceb__> but muh cluster of Rpis
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2018-07-02T06:34:49 < englishman> dongs: Lumenier, which is profitable and made over $20 million in revenue last year, sold a majority stake to a private equity firm
2018-07-02T06:37:04 < bitmask> why arent you using fusion already,  its so easy
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2018-07-02T08:25:35 < PeterM> >TSA approved, sure, but i reckon it's a good way to get a free prostate exam from airport recurity
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2018-07-02T10:30:18 < kakimir> I need 2A Irms tranformer with 47micro coils for sepic converter
2018-07-02T10:30:20 < kakimir> cheap
2018-07-02T10:31:11 < stvn> The sepic
2018-07-02T10:31:45 < stvn> If only
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2018-07-02T10:39:41 < zyp> I also picked up a spacenavigator last year, but I haven't gotten used to it yet
2018-07-02T10:39:48 < zyp> haven't done much 3d stuff after I got it :p
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2018-07-02T10:47:09 < Steffanx> Bought some second hand one. The rubberish stuff got all sticky so i removed all of the rubbery stuff
2018-07-02T10:47:31 < Steffanx> The stickiness was/is a known issue with older spacenavigator
2018-07-02T10:47:40 < Steffanx> s
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2018-07-02T11:05:13 < zyp> I also got mine secondhand
2018-07-02T11:05:36 < zyp> paid like 50 eur
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2018-07-02T11:34:37 < tomeaton17> I designed my project with Altium and I am leaving my job soon. I need to export it in a format that is readable by free EDA softwares. What would you guys recommend?
2018-07-02T11:36:45 < emeryth> there is altium2kicad
2018-07-02T11:36:52 < emeryth> but good luck
2018-07-02T11:37:20 < tomeaton17>  yeah I have a feeling nothing is going to work first time
2018-07-02T11:41:27 < sync> it will be faster to just redo it
2018-07-02T11:41:33 < sync> now that you know how to do it
2018-07-02T11:48:56 < tpw_rules> or pirate altium
2018-07-02T11:53:44 < tomeaton17> tpw_rules: I am doing to for the people who will continue the project at the company so they may not want to do that :p
2018-07-02T11:53:54 < tomeaton17> s/to/this
2018-07-02T11:55:38 < Steffanx> Btw arcin is up and running on my f0 board zyp. I like the HID descriptor stuff.
2018-07-02T11:55:49 < Steffanx> Was easy to go to a joystick
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2018-07-02T12:52:52 < zyp> Steffanx, nice
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2018-07-02T13:16:31 < dongs> englishman: i guess reselling wobbly chinese trash is pretty profitable who woulda thought
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2018-07-02T13:58:07 < jadew> how do you clean a stencil after use?
2018-07-02T13:59:17 < zyp> IPA
2018-07-02T13:59:31 < jadew> and cotton pads?
2018-07-02T13:59:52 < jadew> do you have to get in the holes?
2018-07-02T14:01:04 < kakimir> I need very sensitive precision hall switch
2018-07-02T14:01:18 < kakimir> programable
2018-07-02T14:01:30 < kakimir> and by very sensitive I mean _very_
2018-07-02T14:02:13 < kakimir> if BOP steps are 5G it's like 10times too much
2018-07-02T14:03:48 < kakimir> else I need min. 10mV/G ratiometric sensor with reference output
2018-07-02T14:04:04 < kakimir> amplitude is just and just enought
2018-07-02T14:04:19 < kakimir> but without reference such small signal is unusable
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2018-07-02T14:19:18 < dongs> jadew: i use stencil cleaning paper. its a thing
2018-07-02T14:19:21 < dongs> sold in rolls or sheets
2018-07-02T14:20:17 < jadew> dongs, good to know, thanks
2018-07-02T14:20:20 < jadew> I'll buy some
2018-07-02T14:20:51 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/dongs/459489932.html shit like this, and i think on ali the individual sheets are sold as 'cleanroom wipes' or somethign
2018-07-02T14:21:00 < dongs> basicalyl waht you want is no lint-leaving paper
2018-07-02T14:21:17 < jadew> got it, thanks
2018-07-02T14:21:26 < jadew> I think I have some paper like that for my camera lens
2018-07-02T14:21:48 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/maybe/32766526018.html
2018-07-02T14:21:50 < dongs> yes
2018-07-02T14:21:54 < dongs> that would work too
2018-07-02T14:21:58 < dongs> spray IPA + wipe with that
2018-07-02T14:22:07 < dongs> before that tho, take out most of paste with teh squeegee first
2018-07-02T14:22:33 < jadew> right, speaking of that, what do you do with the remaining paste?
2018-07-02T14:22:40 < dongs> stick it back into the jar
2018-07-02T14:22:41 < jadew> do you keep it or it's uselesss?
2018-07-02T14:22:44 < dongs> its fine
2018-07-02T14:22:45 < jadew> cool
2018-07-02T14:22:56 < jadew> thanks
2018-07-02T14:38:54 < Laurenceb> sup trollz
2018-07-02T14:39:15 < invzim> I'm cheap so I use this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-900pcs-lot-Delicate-Nail-Tools-Nail-Polish-Remover-Wipes-Nail-Art-Tips-Cotton-Lint-Pads/32662717634.html
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2018-07-02T14:41:20 < Laurenceb> for after ur crossdressing amirite?
2018-07-02T14:41:54 < dongs> "lint pads"?
2018-07-02T14:41:57 < dongs> so they add lint?
2018-07-02T14:42:05 < dongs> or is that supposed to be lint-free
2018-07-02T14:42:43 < invzim> lint-free
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2018-07-02T14:54:09 < jadew> invzim, nice
2018-07-02T14:54:48 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/kpD6VPE.gifv
2018-07-02T14:57:18 < dongs> olde
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2018-07-02T15:11:23 < day> u think you are cheap?
2018-07-02T15:12:01 < day> i raise you toilet paper + bitrex ethanol
2018-07-02T15:14:52 < jadew> lint free?
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2018-07-02T15:21:23 < invzim> anyone tried jlcpcb?
2018-07-02T15:21:41 < dongs> why bother wehn you have allpcb
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2018-07-02T15:22:13 < invzim> because it's all over youtube!
2018-07-02T15:37:01 < Steffanx> I got my pcb from them
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2018-07-02T15:37:16 < Steffanx> And i used them when they were still easyeda invzim 
2018-07-02T15:37:31 < tomeaton17> Update on altium2kicad, it actually worked quite well. Text placement wasn't great in schematic view, and manafacturing note layers weren't correctly set in PCB view, but apart from that quite happy.
2018-07-02T15:37:47 < Steffanx> Got my 4 layer pcb from them. They even did the slots for the pro usb microconnector dongs added to zypsnips
2018-07-02T15:37:49 < dongs> why the fuck would anyone ever need to altium 2 kikecad
2018-07-02T15:39:01 < tomeaton17> dongs I'm leaving my internship and taking altium with me so they need something to change it
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2018-07-02T15:40:39 < dongs> RIP them haha
2018-07-02T15:40:51 < Steffanx> I like em, and they are cheap invzim 
2018-07-02T15:42:39 < tomeaton17> Yeah weird decision to not keep it.. 
2018-07-02T15:42:43 < Laurenceb> muh gui
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2018-07-02T16:32:06 < jadew> there's something wrong with this solder paste
2018-07-02T16:32:10 < jadew> it won't fucking melt
2018-07-02T16:32:37 < jadew> tried to reflow it with the heat gun and it turned yellow, but still didn't melt
2018-07-02T16:32:59 < jadew> eventually the PCB expanded and that shit still didn't melt
2018-07-02T16:33:07 < jadew> and I already applied it on 5 boards :/
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2018-07-02T16:33:49 < englishman> tomeaton17: now you can charge them for updates. It's your IP after all
2018-07-02T16:34:15 < karlp> heh, hope he wass't work for hire....
2018-07-02T16:34:15 < day> jadew: does a soldering iron melt it?
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2018-07-02T16:34:51 < nikomo> f103 reference says DMA requests can stop CPU access to system bus for a while if both are trying to access same memory. what happens to the CPU during this time? just keeps spinning its wheels waiting for the bus?
2018-07-02T16:34:57 < jadew> day, good question, I'll give it a try
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2018-07-02T16:37:16 < day> i wonder when NXP feels like starting to produce again...
2018-07-02T16:37:23 < day> its been a few years :P
2018-07-02T16:37:32 < karlp> "produce" ?
2018-07-02T16:38:17 < englishman> looks like they will be eaten by Qualcomm this year
2018-07-02T16:39:09 < day> the MK20DX... is sold out for a long time now 
2018-07-02T16:39:34 < day> ive heard that the factory took a little water damage :^)
2018-07-02T16:39:50 < karlp> day: try being more explicit?
2018-07-02T16:40:03 < day> i cant. its all rumors
2018-07-02T16:40:05 < karlp> how many are you trying to order?
2018-07-02T16:40:11 < karlp> there's thosunds in stock at mouser?
2018-07-02T16:40:15 < day> doesnt matter, you wont even get a single one
2018-07-02T16:40:18 < day> no
2018-07-02T16:40:50 < day> well at least not the mk20dx256
2018-07-02T16:41:07 < karlp> https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/NXP-Freescale/MK20DX256VLL10?qs=sGAEpiMZZMulHKv6iWKM9Ca0brOnEqEW ?
2018-07-02T16:41:09 < karlp> not that one?
2018-07-02T16:41:20 < karlp> pretty sure mouser won't mind selling you a few...
2018-07-02T16:41:27 < jadew> day, it doesn't...
2018-07-02T16:41:32 < jadew> it stays the same color
2018-07-02T16:41:54 < jadew> I'll try 450...
2018-07-02T16:43:48 < jadew> at 450 it started to melt a little...
2018-07-02T16:44:02 < jadew> like it formed a few tiny balls, but that's it
2018-07-02T16:44:11 < jadew> it's still spread out on the solder mask like a shit
2018-07-02T16:44:37 < jadew> I guess I ruined these boards, eh?
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2018-07-02T16:50:18 < englishman> i bet you bought that solderpaste because it was the cheapest?
2018-07-02T16:50:48 < jadew> no, I wanted to buy GC 10, but it was out of stock
2018-07-02T16:50:56 < jadew> and found something with the same mixture
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2018-07-02T16:52:18 < englishman> T4 has been in stock since Jan
2018-07-02T16:52:24 < englishman> clearly you have not
2018-07-02T16:53:07 < englishman> oh fuck they are out again
2018-07-02T16:53:12 < englishman> victim of its own popularity
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2018-07-02T16:55:22 < jadew> what a fucking waste of time...
2018-07-02T16:56:10 < jadew> and components
2018-07-02T16:56:21 < jadew> I figured "let's do 5, what could go wrong?"
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2018-07-02T16:56:46 < jadew> at least I didn't apply components on all of them, just on one of the boards
2018-07-02T16:56:49 < karlp> with solder paste you'd never ever used before?!
2018-07-02T16:57:00 < jadew> karlp, I didn't think it could be so shit
2018-07-02T16:57:16 < jadew> I thought I could at least make it work
2018-07-02T16:57:52 < jadew> that's why I tried to do it with the heat gun first
2018-07-02T16:58:34 < day> karlp: looks like the MK20DX256VLH7 is the problematic one. mazbe the VLL10 you linked is compatible. will check
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2018-07-02T17:10:03 < englishman> can you link the shit you bought
2018-07-02T17:10:34 < jadew> https://www.tme.eu/ro/details/esac305_40/aliaje-de-lipit-paste/ag-termopasty/
2018-07-02T17:10:41 < jadew> it's the same SAC305 alloy
2018-07-02T17:11:16 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n8kd9ei6ks
2018-07-02T17:12:12 < jadew> what do you recommend for lead free solder wire? any company stands out?
2018-07-02T17:12:48 < englishman> sac305 is pretty standard, that is literally just the alloy
2018-07-02T17:13:48 < englishman> if that is not melting with 400C air then something is pretty wrong idk
2018-07-02T17:14:14 < jadew> it didn't melt with 400 air and didn't melt with 450 iron
2018-07-02T17:14:17 < englishman> do you have a huge nozzle on your airgun with low fan speed
2018-07-02T17:14:44 < jadew> no, it's a proper nozzle for the job
2018-07-02T17:14:59 < jadew> < 1 cm diameter
2018-07-02T17:15:20 < jadew> the PCB popped, so it was delivering heat
2018-07-02T17:16:19 < englishman> dont see any solderpaste on termopasty's site
2018-07-02T17:17:07 < jadew> they're probably ashamed of it
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2018-07-02T17:23:35 < invzim> zyp: where do you pick up shipping supplies like boxes?
2018-07-02T17:27:27 < englishman> dongs: https://itsfoss.com/suse-eqt-acquisition/
2018-07-02T17:27:45 < englishman> multi billion dollar lunix
2018-07-02T17:29:22 < karlp> 26times last years profits.
2018-07-02T17:29:27 < karlp> seems a little high
2018-07-02T17:29:37 < c10ud> also, suse in 2020?
2018-07-02T17:30:51 < jadew> neat, how much did everyone who contributed to it get?
2018-07-02T17:32:20 < karlp> it's a 1200 person software company, with employees like any other, why would or should inviduals get any of it?
2018-07-02T17:32:22 < englishman> $0 as expected
2018-07-02T17:32:50 < karlp> you come up with really absurd ideas sometimes jadew .)
2018-07-02T17:32:58 < jadew> karlp, they shouldn't, that's the point
2018-07-02T17:33:12 < jadew> there are idiots out there who contributed code to it
2018-07-02T17:33:23 < zyp> invzim, norengros
2018-07-02T17:33:36 < karlp> jadew: what are you talking about?
2018-07-02T17:33:50 < jadew> karlp, is it not open source?
2018-07-02T17:35:04 < jadew> is it unlike any other opensource software where contributions from the community are highly encouraged?
2018-07-02T17:35:10 < karlp> do you ever report a problem in commercial software to the commercial software vendor?
2018-07-02T17:35:18 < jadew> yes
2018-07-02T17:35:29 < karlp> do you expect to get paid when/if that company is traded?
2018-07-02T17:35:32 < jadew> but I'm not expected to fix it
2018-07-02T17:36:01 < jadew> no, I expect them to fix it, so I can get the full value out of what I paid
2018-07-02T17:36:28 < englishman> so when you pay $0 for opensores, you expect zero value in return
2018-07-02T17:36:44 < englishman> i agree completely
2018-07-02T17:37:22 < jadew> O
2018-07-02T17:37:29 < jadew> that's a typo
2018-07-02T17:40:04 < jadew> I wanted to say that I'm happy for them (trully am), especially because I know there are GNU fan boys out there eating their heart out over this
2018-07-02T17:40:23 < jadew> makes me happy
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2018-07-02T19:06:36 < Laurenceb> lel I just got b& from 8chan
2018-07-02T19:13:02 < Thorn> they obviously have higher standards than ##stm32
2018-07-02T19:13:08 < Laurenceb> for bassetposting
2018-07-02T19:13:10 < Laurenceb> ikr
2018-07-02T19:22:51 < invzim> zyp: thanks, I'll have a peek
2018-07-02T19:23:36 < englishman> >30+ bans from stm32
2018-07-02T19:23:41 < englishman> >1 ban from 8chan
2018-07-02T19:23:58 < kakimir> https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/ASUS-ROG-Swift-PG27UQ-27-4K-144Hz-G-SYNC-Monitor-True-HDR-Arrives-Desktop/Tea altera FPGA in the 4k shiets
2018-07-02T19:24:05 < Laurenceb> yeah but bassetposting, I mean...
2018-07-02T19:24:16 < kakimir> and who was that gui here complaining about too slow 4k displays
2018-07-02T19:24:24 < kakimir> answer is here
2018-07-02T19:25:03 < kakimir> it comes with 2.5k price tag
2018-07-02T19:25:59 < kakimir> "Intel Altera Arria 10 GX 480 FPGA"
2018-07-02T19:26:09 < englishman> 60Hz is not fast enough i need to altium at 144Hz
2018-07-02T19:26:26 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShZW4FcUEZM
2018-07-02T19:26:33 < kakimir> https://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/Intel-Altera/10AX048H2F34E1HG?qs=%2fha2pyFaduhoXUAKC9nfNM2xfTloEqocAIMvY8Nr6a3AA3td6MoL6w==
2018-07-02T19:26:49 < invzim> repurpose your monitor to mine bitcoins in hw :)
2018-07-02T19:27:10 < dongs> this product ships free
2018-07-02T19:27:12 < dongs> it fucking better
2018-07-02T19:27:25 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FiltKVNOIE shitcoins
2018-07-02T19:27:27 < dongs> for that price tehy should charter a flight and hand-deliver it to my house
2018-07-02T19:27:58 < englishman> $1860 for the fpga at mouser
2018-07-02T19:28:52 < englishman> 3gb ram in your monitor
2018-07-02T19:28:52 < englishman> loll
2018-07-02T19:29:34 < kakimir> it probs runs linux too
2018-07-02T19:29:49 < kakimir> I'm almost not guestimating it
2018-07-02T19:30:00 < kakimir> it's highly likelly
2018-07-02T19:30:11 < englishman> Laurenceb: PMing your dumb videos to me that you JUST posted in the channel will still not make me watch them
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2018-07-02T19:30:28 < dongs> haha
2018-07-02T19:30:28 < Laurenceb> englishman: ur supposed to post them
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2018-07-02T19:30:31 < kakimir> unfunny level: desperate
2018-07-02T19:30:36 < dongs> #rekt
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2018-07-02T19:30:47  * karlp laughs
2018-07-02T19:31:03 < kakimir> urlbot please
2018-07-02T19:31:32 < englishman> no
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2018-07-02T19:32:00 < Laurenceb__> everyone has to bassetpost on 8chan
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2018-07-02T19:35:10 < Ultrasauce> huh i thought freenode autobahned proxies
2018-07-02T19:35:30 < Laurenceb__> you thought wrong
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2018-07-02T19:35:48 < Ultrasauce> so how much time you got? i'm up for a game of whackamole if you are
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2018-07-02T19:35:55 < dongs> lol
2018-07-02T19:36:07 < dongs> actually its *!*@*kiwiirc*
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2018-07-02T19:36:25 < dongs> unless freechoad has some retarded shit that somehow matches it without a *
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2018-07-02T19:37:06 <@englishman> ah yeah
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2018-07-02T19:38:17 < englishman> laurenceb driving lessons https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/8viep3/now_where_did_that_come_from/
2018-07-02T19:39:31 < dongs> the only explasnation is he's blind in the right eye.
2018-07-02T19:39:55 < dongs> wait, the driver sits on the left
2018-07-02T19:39:56 < dongs> so no idea
2018-07-02T19:40:04 < Ultrasauce> someone nearly got me while i was walking to work the other day, i swear they looked right at me but kept rolling out of the driveway
2018-07-02T19:40:05 < dongs> just laurence/b/ things then
2018-07-02T19:43:50 < qyx> tidying up?
2018-07-02T19:44:00 < englishman> so nice outside today
2018-07-02T19:44:03 < englishman> 30C and 90% humidity
2018-07-02T19:44:37 < qyx> 27C and 40% here
2018-07-02T19:44:52 < qyx> unrelated, is there an easy way to get ST's secure mcus?
2018-07-02T19:45:04 < qyx> and their docs
2018-07-02T19:45:27 < englishman> live in usa and buy a few miillion of them?
2018-07-02T19:46:20 < qyx> looks feasible
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2018-07-02T19:58:36 < qyx> lol microchip shows you a discount code if you reach a 404 page on their web
2018-07-02T20:00:02 < vampi-the-frog> brilliant marketing
2018-07-02T20:00:04 < vampi-the-frog> IMO
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2018-07-02T20:14:33 < Steffanx> 32 bytes SRAM yeah :D
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2018-07-02T20:22:15 < antto> aww
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2018-07-02T21:56:08 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYQUsp-jxDQ musics
2018-07-02T22:02:48 < Steffanx> damn, thaaaat is al ong time ago
2018-07-02T22:03:04 < Steffanx> i remember it being posted in here before it became hot.
2018-07-02T22:03:15 < kakimir> wait
2018-07-02T22:03:28 < kakimir> how old stm32 series is?
2018-07-02T22:03:49 < kakimir> the mcu
2018-07-02T22:04:01 < vampi-the-frog> is it 32 years old?
2018-07-02T22:04:10 < Steffanx> 2007
2018-07-02T22:04:41 < Steffanx> i swear i've seen it being posted in here.. but i might have been somewhere else too
2018-07-02T22:04:44 < Steffanx> now i think about it
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2018-07-02T22:05:07 < Steffanx> Must have been dutch irc.
2018-07-02T22:07:00 < Steffanx> i wasnt even on freenode back in 2006/2007, the channel isnt that old, so it cant have been here
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2018-07-02T22:39:26 < kakimir> movie recommend?
2018-07-02T22:40:29 < englishman> https://m.imdb.com/title/tt4449576/
2018-07-02T22:45:10 < kakimir> n
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2018-07-02T23:17:01 < bitmask> if you are using dma to read spi data and the sender sends while the receiver has dma disabled, does it go into a buffer? if so, how big is the buffer?
2018-07-02T23:17:55 < bitmask> or is it just lost
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2018-07-02T23:23:54 < vampi-the-frog> bitmask: have you considered using double buffering?
2018-07-02T23:23:55 < Cracki> depends.
2018-07-02T23:24:13 < Cracki> the peripheral might just have a few registers, so you lose data as soon as the next byte/word arrives
2018-07-02T23:24:19 < Cracki> or next^2
2018-07-02T23:24:35 < bitmask> I see
2018-07-02T23:24:55 < Cracki> there's usually a scratch register to put sampled bits into, and one that's "ready" to be read using DMA or an interrupt routine
2018-07-02T23:25:24 < Cracki> peripherals *might* have more buffer, but I would guess not, because that's doable using DMA
2018-07-02T23:25:47 < Cracki> question is: why would you disable dma for SPI, if you have it configured?
2018-07-02T23:26:52 < Cracki> if you want absolute truth, read the data sheet for your controller.
2018-07-02T23:27:35 < bitmask> I gotta rethink this
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2018-07-03T00:05:29 < vampi-the-frog> what are you doing bitmask 
2018-07-03T00:06:04 < bitmask> streaming gcode to a pen plotter
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2018-07-03T00:09:05 < Cracki> via spi, not uart?
2018-07-03T00:09:09 < bitmask> yea
2018-07-03T00:09:18 < Cracki> consider using a lexer generator
2018-07-03T00:09:26 < Cracki> flex + yacc
2018-07-03T00:09:36 < Cracki> the task is to parse the text stream
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2018-07-03T00:12:03 < Cracki> not really parsing either. tokenization (flex) should be enough. each line is a g-code and arguments, then a newline.
2018-07-03T00:12:03 < bitmask> thats easy enough
2018-07-03T00:12:14 < bitmask> thats not the issue
2018-07-03T00:12:25 < Cracki> the beauty lexer generators is that they give you code that consumes single characters at once.
2018-07-03T00:12:34 < Cracki> k what's the issue?
2018-07-03T00:13:55  * karlp was so happy when he solved a project using antlr instead of manually doing it.
2018-07-03T00:16:15 < Cracki> I used antlr in one exercise of one lecture. the rest of the exercises we were writing our own parser.
2018-07-03T00:16:43 < Cracki> a fun little exercise, translating the theory into java code
2018-07-03T00:17:29 < bitmask> if I just have the dma running I can keep receiving spi commands and swap buffers when TC interrupt occurs, but in that case how do I know when the end has finished.  the interrupt won't occur as the buffer wont fill up.  or I could read one command at a time until the buffer is full but there is no fast way to do that because I would need to use interrupts on the RPi and thats kinda slow. I'm leaning towards the first
2018-07-03T00:17:29 < bitmask>  option and  if I reach the end of the buffer and theres no new data just read what is in the next buffer until no valid data is found, or better yet if I can read the current buffer location
2018-07-03T00:17:47 < Cracki> wat
2018-07-03T00:17:52 < Cracki> zoom out
2018-07-03T00:18:09 < Cracki> you haven't introduced a lot of characters in this plot
2018-07-03T00:18:34 < vampi-the-frog> perhaps use your own software buffer before sending out the DMA buffer
2018-07-03T00:19:02 < Cracki> you want to implement a FIFO, a ring buffer
2018-07-03T00:19:18 < Cracki> SPI DMA inserts, your code takes out
2018-07-03T00:19:24 < bitmask> yes
2018-07-03T00:19:50 < Cracki> perhaps you want to use an RTOS
2018-07-03T00:19:57 < Cracki> those have "queue" objects
2018-07-03T00:19:58 < bitmask> haha jesus
2018-07-03T00:20:07 < Cracki> are you doing bare metal on the rpi?
2018-07-03T00:20:08 < bitmask> I'm not switching to a rtos just to fix this one problem
2018-07-03T00:20:35 < bitmask> I'm using wiringpi-node
2018-07-03T00:20:50 < Cracki> well, you could have the DMA trigger another interrupt
2018-07-03T00:20:51 < bitmask> I'll just do what I said I was leaning toward, I think that will work
2018-07-03T00:21:08 < Cracki> and that interrupt service routine merely checks if the buffer contains a full command, or not yet
2018-07-03T00:21:57 < Cracki> it's a bit excessive, but any other solution is either *more* excessive or requires the SPI or DMA to be able to notice a newline
2018-07-03T00:22:36 < Cracki> OR you skip the DMA and instead use the per-word ISR of the SPI peripheral to crank the lexer/parser state machine
2018-07-03T00:22:45 < Cracki> it'll have to touch each char anyway
2018-07-03T00:22:49 < bitmask> I'm not using new lines, its a byte buffer
2018-07-03T00:22:56 < Cracki> how do you encode the g-code?
2018-07-03T00:22:58 < Cracki> is it text?
2018-07-03T00:23:20 < Cracki> I'm aware of "binary g-code" but haven't seen it yet
2018-07-03T00:23:24 < bitmask> its not exactly gcode, its my own, but the node server converts it to bytes to minimize what has to transfer over spi
2018-07-03T00:23:32 < Cracki> >node server
2018-07-03T00:23:36 < Cracki> wat
2018-07-03T00:23:45 < Cracki> so a command fits in a single byte or what
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2018-07-03T00:23:54 < bitmask> I have a rpi connected to stm32 via spi, the rpi is hosting the web interface using node
2018-07-03T00:24:06 < Cracki> so anyway, something reads commands from SPI
2018-07-03T00:24:14 < bitmask> a command is one byte long and then followed by the parameters
2018-07-03T00:24:17 < Cracki> and you seem to think about how to delineate the commands
2018-07-03T00:24:39 < Cracki> consider making them fixed length
2018-07-03T00:24:44 < Cracki> 4 or 8 bytes or something
2018-07-03T00:24:54 < bitmask> I can parse the byte stream fine, its the dma transfer that I'm not sure how to terminate
2018-07-03T00:25:09 < Cracki> why would you want to terminate it
2018-07-03T00:26:04 < bitmask> at the end of the file, you have to specify how many bytes to read when you start the dma, if you dont have a full buffer how do you know how much to read? if you say to read a full buffer and theres only half a buffer in there wont the transfer complete interrupt never fire?
2018-07-03T00:28:19 < bitmask> and if I request less than a full buffer at a time and have to determine the end of each command before requesting more then the dma is pretty useless
2018-07-03T00:29:55 < bitmask> I guess if I just set the data counter and a global variable in each interrupt I won't be wasting much time....
2018-07-03T00:31:01 < Cracki> ah, this...
2018-07-03T00:31:20 < Cracki> I saw something about using a spare timer to reset the I/O peripheral DMA
2018-07-03T00:31:46 < Cracki> so once the I/O DMA is done, it triggers a timer, which runs its ISR, which re-arms the I/O DMA...
2018-07-03T00:32:09 < Cracki> that was probably because the DMA had no ISRs of its own...
2018-07-03T00:32:35 < Cracki> so if your device's DMA has its own ISRs, just use that to re-arm the DMA
2018-07-03T00:32:38 < bitmask> isr is just interrupt right? dma has interrupt routines
2018-07-03T00:32:54 < Cracki> interrupt service routine, the code that's run when an interrupt is flagged and interrupts are enabled
2018-07-03T00:33:15 < Cracki> I'm using atmel terminology because that's what Im most familiar with.
2018-07-03T00:33:15 < bitmask> yea I know, I just didn't want to have to run an isr between every command, but maybe it wont affect it noticably
2018-07-03T00:33:34 < Cracki> you prolly can't avoid that
2018-07-03T00:34:07 < Cracki> not if you need some kind of "logic" between each
2018-07-03T00:34:12 < bitmask> the only way I could think of is to request full buffers and then when theres no more to just read the offset of where it stopped in the next buffer and read til then, but thats not great either
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2018-07-03T00:34:43 < bitmask> I'll just try it with an interrupt between each command, thanks for talking it out with me
2018-07-03T00:35:47 < Cracki> it's a fun puzzle
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2018-07-03T05:03:10 < dongs>  /* What’s working */
2018-07-03T05:03:11 < dongs> All sensors except fingerprint reader
2018-07-03T05:03:15 < dongs> lunix at its best
2018-07-03T05:08:53 < englishman> https://www.pine64.org/?page_id=7147
2018-07-03T05:09:01 < englishman> this lunix board is cheap and has usb3
2018-07-03T05:09:11 < dongs> isnt it just cockchip
2018-07-03T05:09:15 < dongs> yeah it is
2018-07-03T05:10:15 < englishman> yeah
2018-07-03T05:10:35 < dongs> Various Operating System (OS) are made available by open source community such Android 7.1, Debian, Yocto and many more to come.
2018-07-03T05:10:39 < dongs> does it at least run win10 iot core
2018-07-03T05:10:46 < dongs> otherwise, compltely useless
2018-07-03T05:12:41 < englishman> ha
2018-07-03T05:13:17 < englishman> that only runs on like 3 boards noone has ever heard of, and ragepberipi from 2 years ago
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2018-07-03T06:14:06 < dongs> https://www.ebay.com/itm/MAKE_R/182764322188
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2018-07-03T06:44:48 < jadew> hah
2018-07-03T06:44:52 < jadew> that's actually not a bad idea
2018-07-03T06:45:06 < jadew> could be a killer product if it didn't look that bad
2018-07-03T06:48:18 < dongs> back in the days of cellphones with whip antennas that was a hotshit accesory in japan
2018-07-03T06:48:30 < dongs> you'd have a little thingy you stick on top of antenna and it would blinkyled while you were chatting
2018-07-03T06:48:49 < jadew> yeah, that was a thing here too
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2018-07-03T09:40:47 < jadew> man... marketing bullshit is amazing, I'm on the pricing page of a payment gateway and it says "Refreshingly transparent pricing"
2018-07-03T09:41:01 < jadew> I finished reading the page and I'm still not sure how much it's going to cost me
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2018-07-03T10:13:00 < stvn> If you’re feeling low have a bit of charlie
2018-07-03T10:13:45 < stvn> I don’t fuckin know just heard it somewhere
2018-07-03T10:14:13 < stvn> I was up since 4:30am
2018-07-03T10:15:15 < stvn> 5:15pm
2018-07-03T10:15:27 < stvn> Lol
2018-07-03T10:15:37 < stvn> I know
2018-07-03T10:16:00 < Steffanx> Better get some vb (some aussie beer)
2018-07-03T10:16:07 < stvn> Steffan will too
2018-07-03T10:16:38 < Steffanx> And you want true innovation right?
2018-07-03T10:16:43 < stvn> Indeed
2018-07-03T10:17:07 < stvn> VB
2018-07-03T10:17:17 < stvn> You can get it jumpin
2018-07-03T10:17:25 < stvn> You can get it pumpin
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2018-07-03T10:22:33 < stvn> Get dong to fire off at them
2018-07-03T10:22:36 < stvn> ;)
2018-07-03T10:23:05 < Steffanx> Isnt this an issue everywhere, were old people work? Especially in the chip business?
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2018-07-03T10:27:45 < stvn> Things as usual
2018-07-03T10:28:48 < stvn> No beer
2018-07-03T10:30:02 < Steffanx> Lolno
2018-07-03T10:30:15 < stvn> Can’t work and beer at the same time
2018-07-03T10:30:31 < Steffanx> Yes you can. Charlie does it
2018-07-03T10:31:40 < stvn> Ah
2018-07-03T10:31:59 < stvn> Maybe tectu goes there too
2018-07-03T10:32:34 < stvn> Lol
2018-07-03T10:33:43 < stvn> Purification centre
2018-07-03T10:33:50 < stvn> What the fuck
2018-07-03T10:34:04 < stvn> Just went past the church of Scientology
2018-07-03T10:34:34 < stvn> That’s on a wall in one of their buildings
2018-07-03T10:35:33 < Steffanx> Dis you say hi to Tom, stvn?
2018-07-03T10:35:34 < stvn> Yes
2018-07-03T10:35:41 < stvn> Tom no
2018-07-03T10:35:54 < stvn> I didn’t go inside the purification centre
2018-07-03T10:35:56 < Steffanx> Or was Tom busy running down buildings
2018-07-03T10:36:04 < Steffanx> Or killing aliens
2018-07-03T10:36:11 < Steffanx> Cruise :P
2018-07-03T10:36:11 < stvn> Cruise
2018-07-03T10:36:22 < stvn> Their nigger
2018-07-03T10:36:53 < stvn> Purification
2018-07-03T10:36:59 < Steffanx> Ready.
2018-07-03T10:37:13 < stvn> I’m going to ask if they’re neo nazis
2018-07-03T10:37:19 < Steffanx> I heard that in the C&C Generals voice :D
2018-07-03T10:37:42 < stvn> I hear Stalin
2018-07-03T10:38:53 < stvn> Cool
2018-07-03T10:39:38 < stvn> I haven’t steam in a year
2018-07-03T10:39:52 < Steffanx> Are you one of those russians with 300+ steam games?
2018-07-03T10:40:04 < stvn> Should I buy gtx1060 or 1070
2018-07-03T10:40:29 < Steffanx> 1080
2018-07-03T10:40:30 < stvn> For muh coffee lake machine
2018-07-03T10:40:34 < Steffanx> What he said
2018-07-03T10:40:43 < stvn> Ah k
2018-07-03T10:41:10 < stvn> 670 here.... old
2018-07-03T10:41:27 < stvn> Yes
2018-07-03T10:42:18 < Steffanx> Go Quadro for pro work stationing
2018-07-03T10:42:40 < Steffanx> Afaik crt doesnt really game. Except for arcade
2018-07-03T10:43:42 < stvn> Anime lol
2018-07-03T10:44:16 < stvn> Quadro id want is prolly 2000 aud
2018-07-03T10:44:35 < stvn> R2COM: yeah bushland adventures
2018-07-03T10:44:52 < stvn> Idk
2018-07-03T10:48:03 < stvn> Aussie
2018-07-03T10:52:33 < stvn> Fucking anime though...
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2018-07-03T11:17:43 < invzim> crap, jlcpcb.com seems down
2018-07-03T11:18:03 < invzim> figure my boards should have passed review by now
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2018-07-03T11:22:54 < zyp> now they're lost forever
2018-07-03T11:58:51 < kakimir> what is the difference between "" include and <> include
2018-07-03T11:58:57 < kakimir> it all seems to work just fine
2018-07-03T12:00:13 < invzim> no expert, but with <> it includes from directories configured, with "" it does relative to the source files
2018-07-03T12:00:23 < invzim> source file
2018-07-03T12:12:20 < kakimir> okay
2018-07-03T12:12:54 < invzim> "In the order , you note that DO NOT put order number on silk. If you MUST, put it under large IC.
2018-07-03T12:12:57 < invzim> But we can only add the random, and we will ignore the note ,OK ?"
2018-07-03T12:13:29 < Steffanx> Lolwut?
2018-07-03T12:13:35 < invzim> "Yes, I mean that will place the order number on the PCB in a random location.
2018-07-03T12:13:36 < invzim> "
2018-07-03T12:13:43 < Steffanx> Awh
2018-07-03T12:13:51 < invzim> that kind of sucks
2018-07-03T12:16:49 < stvn> Cats
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2018-07-03T12:38:27 < dongs> Sadale: https://www.hkexpress.com/en-hk/promos/price-point see? there's some cheap flights, including some ~$35
2018-07-03T12:39:28  * karlp wonders when sadale last spoke to give that context...
2018-07-03T12:39:48 < dongs> karlp: 2-3 days ago he was saying how there's no cheap tix hk>jp
2018-07-03T12:42:55 < Laurenceb__> today Bongland get btfo of the ball kicking
2018-07-03T12:42:57 < Laurenceb__> cant wait
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2018-07-03T13:07:45 < kakimir> neesti läb ni
2018-07-03T13:07:45 < kakimir>                saadaa ny ite sertifioida kamat jatkos
2018-07-03T13:07:52 < kakimir> hmm
2018-07-03T13:07:56 < kakimir> putty
2018-07-03T13:08:11 < kakimir> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgwsxOeX0AAq7hl.jpg
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2018-07-03T13:27:00 < Steffanx> kakimir stop the gibberish
2018-07-03T13:34:29 < stvn> lol
2018-07-03T13:39:04 < dfgg> lol
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2018-07-03T14:37:01 < Sadale> dongs, very cool. But that's one way flight :P
2018-07-03T14:37:24 < dongs> Sadale: sure. its a special. there were specials wehre one way was $35 and return was liek $1.
2018-07-03T14:37:30 < dongs> just sayin.
2018-07-03T14:37:38 < Sadale> dongs, wow. crazy.
2018-07-03T14:37:56 < Sadale> dongs, well I guess I have to keep track on those special prices :P
2018-07-03T14:37:58 < dongs> they run something every month or so, usually with limited time to buy and different window of when you can use them.
2018-07-03T14:38:04 < dongs> yeah.
2018-07-03T14:38:17 < invzim> ballsacks
2018-07-03T14:38:36 < invzim> how do you add stencil to allpcb order - do they need to finish their audit first?
2018-07-03T14:38:40 < Sadale> dongs, I see. cool!
2018-07-03T14:38:41 < dongs> no
2018-07-03T14:38:47 < dongs> invzim: just make an order for stencil
2018-07-03T14:38:50 < dongs> and pick your pcb
2018-07-03T14:38:59 < dongs> there's a box that says 'attach to existing pcb order'
2018-07-03T14:39:01 < invzim> nothing came up when I chose existing order
2018-07-03T14:39:09 < dongs> uhh
2018-07-03T14:39:12 < dongs> did you already checkout and pay for it?
2018-07-03T14:39:17 < invzim> no
2018-07-03T14:39:21 < dongs> right, then it should work
2018-07-03T14:39:24 < dongs> ive ordered that many times
2018-07-03T14:39:45 < invzim> Guess china is having IT problems today
2018-07-03T14:39:49 < invzim> jlpcb still down
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2018-07-03T14:46:18 < invzim> and https://allpcb.com/ gives a 404 (you need www).  Ok enough dicking about with crappy chinese websites
2018-07-03T14:46:24 < dongs> haha
2018-07-03T14:46:27 < dongs> yeah that's always been the case
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2018-07-03T14:46:32 < dongs> fucking imbeciles
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2018-07-03T15:54:57 < englishman> morning pros
2018-07-03T15:55:06 < englishman> i sure am glad i dont work at the sinking ship Cypress
2018-07-03T15:55:10 < kakimir> morgon
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2018-07-03T16:02:24 < kakimir> I need a controlled temperature chamber
2018-07-03T16:02:31 < kakimir> any ali recommends?
2018-07-03T16:02:47 < zyp> what temperature?
2018-07-03T16:02:55 < kakimir> cold temperatures
2018-07-03T16:03:10 < kakimir> like.. all way to -30 -40
2018-07-03T16:03:26 < kakimir> hot temperatures are not that much of an issue
2018-07-03T16:06:04 < zyp> can't you just put it outside?
2018-07-03T16:06:07 < zyp> :p
2018-07-03T16:06:25 < zyp> no, but seriously, a decent freezer should get the job done
2018-07-03T16:07:23 < zyp> got one sitting here in the office, coworker bought a secondhand freezer to do some preliminary environmental testing
2018-07-03T16:08:15 < zyp> then he fucked up and damaged one of the gas pipes when installing a heating element, so now it's only useful for heat testing :p
2018-07-03T16:12:28 < kakimir> I rather control temperature than measure temperature
2018-07-03T16:13:08 < kakimir> and then compensate whatever my means of measuring temperature at the whatever point of the device may tell me
2018-07-03T16:13:58 < kakimir> if it's even -20C I know that everything is inside out -20C
2018-07-03T16:14:06 < kakimir> after a while
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2018-07-03T16:27:17 < day> -30 is doable with a freezer. -40 i dont think is in the realm of normal freezers
2018-07-03T16:27:51 < day> maybe if you put a small freezer inside a freezer :")
2018-07-03T16:28:46 < kakimir> winter is comming
2018-07-03T16:29:07 < day> not before 2019 afaik
2018-07-03T16:29:15 < kakimir> yes
2018-07-03T16:29:37 < kakimir> first is like this snow thing but not really a winter
2018-07-03T16:29:55 < kakimir> but at begin of 2019 winter really starts
2018-07-03T16:30:41 < day> nope google says spring '19 :^)
2018-07-03T16:31:19 < day> on a more serious note. winter usually doesnt start here before january.
2018-07-03T16:31:36 < kakimir> yes
2018-07-03T16:31:37 < day> we often have decent temps in december
2018-07-03T16:31:54 < kakimir> we have snow 80% of time in christmas
2018-07-03T16:32:08 < kakimir> 50% of time quite decent amount
2018-07-03T16:32:57 < day> last year we had white roads in december/january for a few days. a rare occasion
2018-07-03T16:33:48 < karlp> I'd rather like to get a bit of summer before you arseholes start bringing in winter.
2018-07-03T16:33:49 < day> all it takes is a little bit of west wind and it doesnt get cold anymore
2018-07-03T16:35:18 < day> if you ahve the golf stream towards the west :^)
2018-07-03T16:35:55 < karlp> 70.9 hours of sunlight in june.
2018-07-03T16:35:57 < karlp> in _JUNE_
2018-07-03T16:36:25 < upgrdman> no sunset for you
2018-07-03T16:36:46 < karlp> can't tell, haven't seen it.
2018-07-03T16:38:41 < kakimir> I wonder if the is like thing in eclipse where I could jump to next warning or next todo with shortcut
2018-07-03T16:38:49 < kakimir> in project
2018-07-03T16:38:53 < kakimir> or set scope
2018-07-03T16:39:03 < kakimir> and then just go thru all of them like that
2018-07-03T16:39:22 < karlp> there is in netbeans and intellij, I  would hope it's in eclipse
2018-07-03T16:41:02 < upgrdman> kakimir, theres a Task tab
2018-07-03T16:41:22 < upgrdman> it wont jump you around, but you can double click on TODOs, FIXMEs, etc.
2018-07-03T16:41:38 < upgrdman> s/it wont AUTOMATICALLY jump
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2018-07-03T17:05:25 < kakimir> have you ever concidered a carreer that doesn't involve engineering?
2018-07-03T17:10:25 < karlp> yeah, then I looked at my pay slips
2018-07-03T17:10:48 < kakimir> oh
2018-07-03T17:11:05 < kakimir> I did another way around
2018-07-03T17:12:52 < Thorn> everything else is absolutely boring
2018-07-03T17:13:25 < kakimir> yes
2018-07-03T17:13:33 < kakimir> and engineering is thrilling
2018-07-03T17:14:11 < kakimir> I wonder when I archive full steam rage like dongs
2018-07-03T17:17:22 < karlp> have you hit 10k hours yet?
2018-07-03T17:17:26 < englishman> I'd like to begin my job as a well paid rich person
2018-07-03T17:17:56 < kakimir> already?
2018-07-03T17:19:11 < Steffanx> Wanna buy some waffles?
2018-07-03T17:19:14 < Thorn> englishman are you going to buy a leopard
2018-07-03T17:22:41 < englishman> do they eat waffel
2018-07-03T17:25:10 < kakimir> get a mink
2018-07-03T17:25:32 < Thorn> they eat meat, for example make:rs, arduino developers and 3d printer owners
2018-07-03T17:25:33 < kakimir> I watched whole evening yesterday about minks used for hunting
2018-07-03T17:25:58 < englishman> I'd think make:rs would be mostly gristle
2018-07-03T17:28:18 < kakimir> it eats bad clients too
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2018-07-03T17:42:18 < Steffanx> Are you a bad client kakimir ?
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2018-07-03T17:46:28 < kakimir> most likelly
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2018-07-03T18:24:42 < Sadale> I wonder what's the use of SystemInit() generated by STM32CubeMx. I've checked those registers. It's setting those register that's identical to their reset value.
2018-07-03T18:25:09 < dongs> dsid you actually configure anythign in cubemx so that it generates different shit?
2018-07-03T18:25:18 < dongs> i.e. configure HSE or faster MHz etc
2018-07-03T18:25:29 < dongs> garbage in, garbage out
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2018-07-03T18:26:33 < Sadale> I see. Meh. I do the clock-scaling code myself :p
2018-07-03T18:26:39 < Sadale> Thanks dongs anyway.
2018-07-03T18:26:54 < Sadale> ok. I guess I can get rid of this function to save space =P
2018-07-03T18:32:30 < karlp> Sadale: if you go to deep sleep, you need to re-init things, and tehy're no longer at reset values....
2018-07-03T18:32:42 < Sadale> I see.
2018-07-03T18:32:53 < Sadale> Luckily I never need to go to deep sleep mode :)
2018-07-03T18:33:04 < dongs> doesnt sound like you need cube either
2018-07-03T18:33:08 < Sadale> karlp, how does deep-sleep mode work, tho? What happen after you wake up?
2018-07-03T18:33:10 < dongs> you're too pro4cube
2018-07-03T18:33:15 < dongs> Sadale: reset
2018-07-03T18:33:20 < Sadale> cool!
2018-07-03T18:33:27 < Sadale> well, I used cube for generating the initial code.
2018-07-03T18:34:08 < Sadale> Then I run out of flash. Then noticed that the initialization functions are taking a loooot of flash space because it keeps manipulating volatile variables (i.e. registers)
2018-07-03T18:34:22 < Sadale> and those variables aren't optimizable by the compiler because it's volatile.
2018-07-03T18:34:59 < Sadale> Then I manually, tediously check what registers are being modified by each of those LL_ initialization functions and directly manipulate those registers. That saved me quite a bit of space.
2018-07-03T18:35:07 < Steffanx> Fuck code generation.
2018-07-03T18:36:17 < jadew> ^
2018-07-03T18:36:29 < Sadale> lol
2018-07-03T18:36:48 < Sadale> nevertheless code generated by STM32CubeMx works, as long as you have enough flash space. :P
2018-07-03T18:36:57 < jadew> the only place where I'm ok with generated code is for parser generators
2018-07-03T18:37:02 < Sadale> I'm using the weakest STM32 controller with only 16kB of space :(
2018-07-03T18:37:13 < Sadale> programming space I meant.
2018-07-03T18:37:36 < englishman> <full-time code generator> fuck code generation, it is stealing my job!
2018-07-03T18:37:46 < jadew> heh
2018-07-03T18:38:00 < dongs> Sadale: you mean F0? you better be compiling this shit with keil then
2018-07-03T18:38:02 < Sadale> lol
2018-07-03T18:38:10 < Sadale> dongs, yes I am. hmm why?
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2018-07-03T18:38:25 < dongs> because it can actually generate code that fits into that flash despite bloated cube
2018-07-03T18:38:26 < Sadale> It isn't a commercial project. So I don't have a money to get such a license unfortunatley :(
2018-07-03T18:38:30 < dongs> did you enable microlib in the settings?
2018-07-03T18:38:32 < bitmask> herro
2018-07-03T18:38:35 < dongs> what?
2018-07-03T18:38:39 < dongs> keil for F0 is free
2018-07-03T18:38:40 < dongs> for any use
2018-07-03T18:38:48 < dongs> http://www2.keil.com/stmicroelectronics-stm32/mdk
2018-07-03T18:38:49 < Sadale> dongs, oh. well, I'm using gcc.
2018-07-03T18:38:54 < dongs> good luck
2018-07-03T18:38:56 < Sadale> and I'm on linux
2018-07-03T18:39:01 < dongs> so sorry to hear that.
2018-07-03T18:39:01 < bitmask> whats wrong with truestudio
2018-07-03T18:39:20 < englishman> i thought HK was a modern country and didnt have to resort to 3rd world african solutions like lunix
2018-07-03T18:39:35 < Sadale> lol
2018-07-03T18:39:36 < dongs> ya, what?
2018-07-03T18:39:41 < Sadale> It isn't Hong Kong. It's freenode :P
2018-07-03T18:39:54 < Sadale> freenode has a looot of linux users. I guess this channel is an exception.
2018-07-03T18:40:05 < jadew> Sadale, it's because we do real work
2018-07-03T18:40:19 < Sadale> ah. I also use Windows at work.
2018-07-03T18:40:26 < jadew> lol
2018-07-03T18:40:28 < Sadale> But at home I have been doing development stuffs on linux.
2018-07-03T18:40:42 < bitmask> grr why doesnt my plotter start drawing until the buffer is full
2018-07-03T18:40:43 < Sadale> Guess what? It's actually working pretty well to me. I like its build system.
2018-07-03T18:41:07 < Sadale> I guess it's a bit political, tho :P
2018-07-03T18:42:13 < jadew> bitmask, didn't you write the firmware?
2018-07-03T18:42:24 < bitmask> yes
2018-07-03T18:42:37 < bitmask> :)
2018-07-03T18:42:38 < jadew> so it should be easy to find out :)
2018-07-03T18:44:16 < bitmask> ohhh it wasn't sending the end of file packet :)
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2018-07-03T19:34:20 < mawk> whenever I do some modifications to the linker script generated by cube MX in makefile mode, it complains about makefile generation that failed
2018-07-03T19:34:24 < mawk> even though I didn't modify the makefile
2018-07-03T19:34:32 < mawk> to fix that I have to close and reopen cube MX, and delete the makefile
2018-07-03T19:34:37 < mawk> do you get that too ?
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2018-07-03T20:00:52 < karlp> welcome to the timecube
2018-07-03T20:05:31 < emeryth> mawk: I had that when I added names to pins :P
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2018-07-03T22:12:33 < jadew> the banking system is fucked up
2018-07-03T22:12:55 < jadew> turns out if someone buys shit with a stolen card, the company that they buy shit from foots the bill
2018-07-03T22:13:01 < jadew> that's so fucking stupid
2018-07-03T22:13:43 < jadew> it should be fully supported by the person who was stupid enough to have his card stolen
2018-07-03T22:14:07 < jadew> and people could get insurance for such cases
2018-07-03T22:16:22 < invzim> banking is fucked up period
2018-07-03T22:16:42 < invzim> if 'people' knew how it really worked, it would be an outcry
2018-07-03T22:17:06 < jadew> what's even more enraging is that banks make more money from fraudulent purchases than from regular ones
2018-07-03T22:17:21 < jadew> because when there's a fraud, they don't lose anything, but they get to charge the merchant a chargeback fee
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2018-07-03T22:17:46 < jadew> so, as a merchant, you not only lose your shit, you also get to pay more fees
2018-07-03T22:18:02 < jadew> the chargeback fee is a couple of times more than the regular free
2018-07-03T22:18:04 < jadew> *fee
2018-07-03T22:18:18 < bitmask> blah so close yet so far.  second buffer isn't filling correctly and I don't know why
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2018-07-03T22:53:27 < Steffanx> <jadew> it should be fully supported by the person who was stupid enough to have his card stolen. LOLyou.
2018-07-03T22:57:33 < Steffanx> Solution: dont accept credit cards jadew
2018-07-03T22:58:32 < jadew> Steffanx, what other options are there?
2018-07-03T22:58:58 < jadew> if only bank transfers were simpler
2018-07-03T22:59:34 < Steffanx> imho it is, but that's just localy, in dutchland.
2018-07-03T23:00:28 < jadew> I think I'll just go for paypal
2018-07-03T23:00:39 < bitmask> bitcoinz yoo
2018-07-03T23:00:46 < Steffanx> fuck the buttcoin.
2018-07-03T23:00:58 < jadew> I keep reading about huge fees in relation to paypal tho
2018-07-03T23:01:01 < bitmask> i'll fuck your butt
2018-07-03T23:01:02 < bitmask> ...coin
2018-07-03T23:01:17 < jadew> if the buyer is from a different country, there's an additional fee of 3.x %
2018-07-03T23:01:29 < jadew> but I'm not entirely sure when it applies
2018-07-03T23:01:45 < jadew> I'm not familiar enough with bitcoin to accept that
2018-07-03T23:01:49 < bitmask> someone fix my double buffer problem so I can draw
2018-07-03T23:02:13 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/bDc9Qjk.png
2018-07-03T23:02:14 < englishman> hmm
2018-07-03T23:02:19 < englishman> i think someone made a booboo
2018-07-03T23:02:29 < englishman> https://abracon.com/Resonators/ABM8G.pdf
2018-07-03T23:03:01 < jadew> englishman, looks like ground fill not making it through - or is that not what you mean?
2018-07-03T23:03:28 < jadew> ah, the crystal footprint
2018-07-03T23:03:55 < jadew> there's no ground connection?
2018-07-03T23:04:12 < englishman> well in datasheet there is
2018-07-03T23:04:18 < englishman> but i just booptested and those pins are actually NC
2018-07-03T23:04:49 < Steffanx> Are you debugging your clients pcbs again? :D
2018-07-03T23:05:09 < englishman> lol
2018-07-03T23:05:13 < englishman> just curious
2018-07-03T23:05:18 < englishman> they are pretty pro
2018-07-03T23:05:36 < jadew> englishman, are they not connected to each other?
2018-07-03T23:06:00 < jadew> I thought maybe they'd be connected to the case
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2018-07-03T23:06:49 < englishman> case is plastic
2018-07-03T23:08:55 < Steffanx> Do you have the pcbs already or are you a whole care package service (stroopwaffles included) englishman? 
2018-07-03T23:09:02 < Steffanx> You do the pcb manufacturing, but the parts etc?
2018-07-03T23:09:06 < Steffanx> *buy
2018-07-03T23:09:42 < englishman> well i am working with the pcb house now
2018-07-03T23:10:56 < Steffanx> ah
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2018-07-03T23:24:11 < englishman> qyx: 
2018-07-03T23:24:21 < englishman> im about to land a design job... for a soil humidity sensor
2018-07-03T23:24:23 < englishman> using TDR
2018-07-03T23:39:46 < bitmask> so I commented out my double buffering to get single buffering working and it doesnt pause at all, guess I dont need to figure it out
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2018-07-03T23:50:49 < kakimir> what do you think of big corporation jobs?
2018-07-03T23:51:31 < Steffanx> What about it kakimir ?
2018-07-03T23:51:37 < Steffanx> Looking for a new job?
2018-07-03T23:51:59 < kakimir> at some point maybe
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2018-07-04T00:04:33 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBaWnkwp5lQ minks
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2018-07-04T00:09:20 < englishman> i heard that kakimir crashed finland's only plane
2018-07-04T00:09:39 < jadew> man... paypal's API is such shit
2018-07-04T00:10:14 < jadew> so... you have a bunch of credentials, that you have to use to obtain other credentials, that you need to make calls to the API
2018-07-04T00:10:31 < jadew> and those second credentials expire in a period of time that you find out at the time of obtaining them
2018-07-04T00:10:46 < jadew> and you are not allowed to obtain more of those temporary credentials at the same time
2018-07-04T00:11:26 < jadew> so you have to implement a system of storing those fucking temporary credentials so you can use them over multiple orders
2018-07-04T00:11:55 < jadew> am I missing something when I think that those temporary credentials are pointless?
2018-07-04T00:12:00 < jadew> what could their purpose be?
2018-07-04T00:12:11 < jadew> they're not unique per transaction
2018-07-04T00:12:47 < jadew> there's no point in revoking them, because if you want to revoke access, you revoke the entire app
2018-07-04T00:15:24 < kakimir> englishman: how did you know?
2018-07-04T00:16:33 < englishman> chat of course
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2018-07-04T00:21:35 < jadew> Jon Forrest: "it has it’s own Twitter account" -> "it has its own Twitter account"
2018-07-04T00:21:35 < jadew> steve2014: Thanks, I was confused about how OAuth worked until you clarified the apostrophe was incorrectly placed.
2018-07-04T00:22:27 < kakimir> prototype plane didn't have proper canopy latch
2018-07-04T00:31:06 < Steffanx> Are you hurt kakimir ?
2018-07-04T00:31:51 < kakimir> nope
2018-07-04T00:32:48 < kakimir> just brushed my ego
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2018-07-04T00:36:02 < Steffanx> Oh it wasnt a joke. You really crashes it kakimir 
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2018-07-04T00:43:27 < kakimir> I'm a professional airplane crash test dummy
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2018-07-04T00:51:01 < Steffanx> Lol. Did you stick some of those g sensor stickers to your body?
2018-07-04T00:56:40 < sync> kakimir: it is still unclear why the canopy opened
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2018-07-04T01:03:07 < kakimir> how big of news has private airplane prototype crash in northern finland been?
2018-07-04T01:04:08 < sync> none
2018-07-04T01:05:05 < sync> but I know the finnlanders that made it
2018-07-04T01:05:22 < kakimir> interesting
2018-07-04T01:05:24 < kakimir> how?
2018-07-04T01:05:32 < sync> irc
2018-07-04T01:05:46 < kakimir> actually
2018-07-04T01:07:43 < kakimir> I may know one gui from ircs too
2018-07-04T01:09:23 < kakimir> something involving workshop and machining.. he might be actually on our workshop channel..
2018-07-04T01:14:13 < diamondman> I got this weird issue where the DBGMCU->IDCODE comes back as 0xCDCDCDCD on my stm32f427. Anyone have something like this happen?
2018-07-04T01:20:53 < kakimir> openocd?
2018-07-04T01:27:17 < kakimir> oh register value
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2018-07-04T01:57:09 < diamondman> lol yeah register value
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2018-07-04T02:17:54 < bitmask> I need to stabilize the frame but not bad: https://i.imgur.com/i7KB6E3.png
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2018-07-04T02:50:47 < stvn> Idk what that is but looks cool
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2018-07-04T03:42:20 < dongs> yo 485 pros, have you had a 485 tarnsceiver on USART1 and used same thing via external pads for uart flashing
2018-07-04T03:42:34 < dongs> as long as REDE is in transmit mode, it shouldnt matter aye?
2018-07-04T03:45:04 < aandrew> dongs: correct
2018-07-04T03:45:22 < aandrew> uart don't care, especially in unidirectional mode
2018-07-04T03:45:30 < dongs> hm what the shit. this tssop20 F0 doesnt have 485 control on usart1
2018-07-04T03:45:37 < dongs> only on 2
2018-07-04T03:47:12 < dongs> ok, it can bootloader from usart2 apparently as well
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2018-07-04T03:55:33 < aandrew> heh
2018-07-04T03:55:40 < aandrew> what're you doing that needs rs485
2018-07-04T04:02:07 < dongs> oh just usual shit. but this is some bullshit IR receiver that receives IR and outputs crap over 485
2018-07-04T04:02:11 < dongs> don't ask me why
2018-07-04T04:03:07 < Laurenceb__> the absolute state of football
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2018-07-04T04:03:36 < dongs> WARNING: Laurenceb__ is chatting
2018-07-04T04:03:49 < Laurenceb__> the absolute state of irc
2018-07-04T04:04:36 < Laurenceb__> a literal friend of Weev says I need a warning
2018-07-04T04:06:33 < diamondman> The whole region of memory on my stm32f427 from 0xE0000000 to 0xE0100000 (exclusive) is just a big bunch of 0xCD bytes. I checked this at the very entry into the Reset_Handler. using IAR. Anyone ever see this before? 
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2018-07-04T04:08:44 < dongs> fuck
2018-07-04T04:08:56 < dongs> usart2 is TTa pins
2018-07-04T04:08:58 < dongs> what the hell
2018-07-04T04:09:03 < dongs> i thought F0 was cheap, robust shit
2018-07-04T04:09:16 < dongs> not fucking smokes at 1st try
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2018-07-04T04:09:33 < diamondman> lol get what you pay for??
2018-07-04T04:16:47 < dongs> hm usart2 bl only works on PA14/15 too
2018-07-04T04:16:49 < dongs> which arent on Tssop20
2018-07-04T04:16:54 < dongs> holy shit aids
2018-07-04T04:22:54 < dongs> uh
2018-07-04T04:22:56 < dongs> where's boot0 on that shit
2018-07-04T04:23:15 < dongs> ah it can actually become gpio later
2018-07-04T04:23:16 < dongs> hah
2018-07-04T04:25:14 < aandrew> dongs: yeah who the fuck uses IR these days
2018-07-04T04:25:23 < aandrew> are you dealing with people still using Palm Pilots or someshit
2018-07-04T04:25:31 < dongs> dong pilots
2018-07-04T04:25:43 < aandrew> dong pilots and cock jockeys
2018-07-04T04:30:45 < dongs> and uh.... fucking hell
2018-07-04T04:31:00 < dongs> 485 rx is 5V, and none of usart2 are FT except altmode on pin20 which is also swdclk...
2018-07-04T04:31:03 < dongs> fucking great
2018-07-04T04:31:17 < dongs> any cheap protip to drop that shit to 3V?
2018-07-04T04:34:44 < Ultrasauce> resistive divider? needs termination anyway doesnt it
2018-07-04T04:35:39 < dongs> isnt that gonna fuck with uart shit
2018-07-04T04:37:38 < dongs> NC7SZ125 we're using that in another part of the board
2018-07-04T04:37:42 < dongs> can i just power that shit up wiht 3.3V
2018-07-04T04:37:47 < dongs> and let it take 5V and suck it
2018-07-04T04:39:00 < dongs> wonder what its gonna do when input pin is > Vin
2018-07-04T04:40:30 < dongs> Over-Voltage Tolerance Inputs Facilitate 5 V to 3 V
2018-07-04T04:40:31 < dongs> Translation
2018-07-04T04:40:33 < dongs> oh, fuckin nice.
2018-07-04T04:40:38 < dongs> so its literally made for that.
2018-07-04T04:51:26 < ds2> PSoC5 goes one step further - 5V tolerant w/SW configureable thresholds
2018-07-04T04:51:33 < ds2> $$ but so nice for protos
2018-07-04T04:51:53 < jadew> ffs... paypal's API is garbage
2018-07-04T04:52:01 < jadew> their sandbox is garbage too
2018-07-04T04:52:16 < jadew> super buggy to the point that it can't be used for anything useful
2018-07-04T04:52:30 < jadew> reports inexistent errors, mixes up payments
2018-07-04T04:53:01 < jadew> not to mention their documentation is shit
2018-07-04T04:53:59 < jadew> some idiot decided that a very long and narrow page is the right way of displaying API documentation
2018-07-04T04:54:12 < jadew> https://developer.paypal.com/docs/api/payments/v1/
2018-07-04T04:54:16 < jadew> look at that shit
2018-07-04T04:55:21 < jadew> it took me maybe half an hour to get stripe going
2018-07-04T04:55:55 < jadew> with paypal, I'm at this for 6-7 hours already and it's still not done
2018-07-04T04:56:00 < jadew> what a piece of shit
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2018-07-04T06:04:20 < dongs> judew why the nigger fuck are you even fucking with gaypal api
2018-07-04T06:04:28 < dongs> use a god damn shopping cart written in php 
2018-07-04T06:04:29 < dongs> and done
2018-07-04T06:04:35 < dongs> never fuckign carea bout low level shit lmao
2018-07-04T06:11:57 < MrMobius> jadew, inexistent is an inexistent word
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2018-07-04T06:37:30 < upgrdman> jadew, lol, ya no shit about that long ass page. but i guess thats better than faggots that split it up into 100 pages, each half-a-screen-full
2018-07-04T06:38:11 < upgrdman> anyone here use QtCreator? like it? seems decent but i've only dicked a HelloWorld with it so far.
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2018-07-04T06:49:18 < stvn> atlium
2018-07-04T06:51:32 < dongs> i heard laurence/b/ uses that shit
2018-07-04T06:51:38 < dongs> to "work" on his "gui"
2018-07-04T06:55:03 < stvn> ah yes the gui interface :)
2018-07-04T06:57:12 < upgrdman> stvn, lol. altium is so fucking slow to start and run. i'd half expect them to using java and vbscript for a lot of their stuff
2018-07-04T06:57:35 < stvn> only the senpai can elaborate further
2018-07-04T06:57:51 < dongs> upgrdman: it actaully supports vb scripting..
2018-07-04T06:58:00 < dongs> as well as some delphi crap
2018-07-04T06:58:08 < upgrdman> lol
2018-07-04T06:58:24 < upgrdman> tcl too?
2018-07-04T06:58:31 < dongs> no thankfully
2018-07-04T06:58:34 < dongs> thats limtied to xilinx garbage
2018-07-04T06:58:45 < upgrdman> and lattice
2018-07-04T06:59:01 < upgrdman> Tcl Console in diamond, heh
2018-07-04T06:59:29 < stvn> it runs great since i took the recommendations 32gb ram and gtx1080
2018-07-04T07:04:00 < stvn> nuh don't need that for my bitch-basic 4 layer boards
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2018-07-04T09:08:32 < Steffanx> Arw you in such shady business that you really have to worry about stolen CCs jadew ?
2018-07-04T09:08:56 < Steffanx> What are the chances it happen, and how much do you loose?
2018-07-04T09:08:59 < stvn> the digital fog
2018-07-04T09:09:23 < Steffanx> Yes.
2018-07-04T09:10:23 < stvn> https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/abstract-binary-digital-code-15734207.jpg
2018-07-04T09:10:46 < stvn> who can you trust kumpel 
2018-07-04T09:11:28 < Steffanx> Pumper dont do harm
2018-07-04T09:14:20 < stvn> is it 8am steffan?
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2018-07-04T09:46:05 < stvn> https://i.imgur.com/U2RyZsh.png
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2018-07-04T09:50:20 < dongs> stvn, youve been busy graffitying up the signs?
2018-07-04T09:50:29 < stvn> yeah mate!
2018-07-04T09:50:36 < dongs> good
2018-07-04T09:50:37 < dongs> fuck gooks
2018-07-04T09:53:50 < Steffanx> Yes it was mr stvn
2018-07-04T09:54:11 < stvn> would have tagged ##stm32
2018-07-04T10:02:19 < Steffanx> How did you find ##stm32 stvn?
2018-07-04T10:03:28 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwHZodJ8-H4 stvn, your chance to weeb out
2018-07-04T10:05:43 < Steffanx> I read "weev out"
2018-07-04T10:05:57 < Steffanx> How comes he has a wiki page and you dont dongs?
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2018-07-04T10:17:51 < c10ud> any pros here that can help me understand a ringing issue on the PH pin of a switching dc-dc?
2018-07-04T10:18:16 < c10ud> https://e2e.ti.com/support/power_management/non-isolated_dcdc/f/196/p/705046/2600197#2600197
2018-07-04T10:19:48 < dongs> is PH what TI calls "SW' pin?
2018-07-04T10:23:53 < c10ud> I think so
2018-07-04T10:24:18 < c10ud> you are supposed to see a nicely squared 500khz train there
2018-07-04T10:24:43 < c10ud> I fucked up the 1st batch so there's no bottom gnd plane, forgot to fill
2018-07-04T10:24:47 < c10ud> so there's that
2018-07-04T10:25:05 < dongs> um its hard as fuck to tell from screenshtos but it looks the coil is way teh fuck across away from teh sw pin?
2018-07-04T10:25:08 < dongs> it should be as short as possible
2018-07-04T10:25:18 < c10ud> however I was asking if that could be the issue since I would like to make a second one
2018-07-04T10:25:28 < c10ud> well, that's what they do in their eval board
2018-07-04T10:25:34 < c10ud> (see my latest post)
2018-07-04T10:25:35 < dongs> you shoulda copied that layout :)
2018-07-04T10:25:40 < dongs> yeah i just scrolled down to that
2018-07-04T10:25:46 < dongs> the diode + coil is on a nice fat trace
2018-07-04T10:26:27 < PeterM> c10ud, the low Vf and higher reverse current implies there may be a bit fo capacitance in the diode, that are the length of the trace for your inductor are probably forming  a LC tank
2018-07-04T10:28:02 < c10ud> so i should widen  
2018-07-04T10:28:05 < c10ud> that trace
2018-07-04T10:28:14 < c10ud> you don't think the bottom gnd makes a difference
2018-07-04T10:28:29 < c10ud> I could try haxing something on the boards I already have, see if the ringing goes down
2018-07-04T10:33:42 < c10ud> at the end of the day my trace is longer because of the bootstrap cap positioning
2018-07-04T10:33:52 < c10ud> but it's not *that* much, meh
2018-07-04T10:34:31 < c10ud> I've seen much worse LM267x stuff working flawlessly..ahhh
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2018-07-04T10:38:55 < PeterM> yeah but the lm267x is a peice of shit
2018-07-04T10:39:30 < PeterM> also if you have different schottky diodes wiht a higher vf, give them a go
2018-07-04T10:44:57 < c10ud> oh, interesting, it looks like the top gnd fill around the inductor was playing a role
2018-07-04T10:47:58 < PeterM> btw, why is your layout so far apart and in weird order?
2018-07-04T10:48:27 < dongs> cuz hes using fucking kikecad
2018-07-04T10:48:29 < c10ud> https://imgur.com/a/5mNWlsJ
2018-07-04T10:48:45 < c10ud> because I'm doing hand soldering
2018-07-04T10:48:57 < c10ud> idk if I could reduce the distances
2018-07-04T10:49:17 < c10ud> dongs, you would be surprised: i found out kikecad can actually order stuff
2018-07-04T10:49:37 < c10ud> this board is kind of a test bench for me: for both switching design and kikecad
2018-07-04T10:50:00 < dongs> swicher design: copy layout from evalboard, done
2018-07-04T10:50:08 < dongs> if problems arise: ask PeterM 
2018-07-04T10:50:17 < dongs> you're doing it wrong from step (1)
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2018-07-04T11:04:23 < PeterM> chinese can handsolder a mobile phone with nothing more than hot air,, tweezers and salvaged parts, im sure you can handsolder a well routed and laid out pcb with hot air
2018-07-04T11:15:01 < PeterM> can you not do something like https://i.imgur.com/beTFend.jpg your switching node becomes much smaller
2018-07-04T11:15:20 < PeterM> and so does your total loop  area
2018-07-04T11:21:10 < c10ud> yes, hot air, that's my goal once I have some money
2018-07-04T11:22:22 < PeterM> do you cook food at all?
2018-07-04T11:22:33 < PeterM> like on a stove?
2018-07-04T11:22:47 < c10ud> btw the prototypes I soldered with hot air, just a bigger scale
2018-07-04T11:22:55 < PeterM> go to a yard sale and pick up a second hand frypan
2018-07-04T11:22:59 < c10ud> (the vreg only)
2018-07-04T11:23:17 < PeterM> and "hotplate" your boards
2018-07-04T11:25:46 < c10ud> btw your design is nice and compact
2018-07-04T11:27:20 < PeterM> also, when you run your FB resistors and trace, put the resistors at the IC end, not at the inductor end, and try to keep the trace that goes  to the IC as far away from the inductor (so less induced noise)
2018-07-04T11:28:04 < PeterM> my layout is pretty good for that because its on the opposite side of the ic, but yours is less desirable because the inductor is almost ontop of that node
2018-07-04T11:31:59 < c10ud> well in my defense I tried to follow what TI was doing
2018-07-04T11:32:03 < c10ud> except for the width
2018-07-04T11:33:13 < c10ud> anyway I'm cutting stuff and analyzing the ringing, I'm suspecting some ground loop because at the new cut the ringing came back
2018-07-04T11:37:32 < PeterM> TIs design is OK but it puts the diode in a really weird place
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2018-07-04T12:05:05 < dongs> gotta love the fucking customandroid fags
2018-07-04T12:05:13 < dongs> "ISNTALL SOUND MOD"
2018-07-04T12:05:16 < dongs> the fuck is that shit
2018-07-04T12:05:24 < dongs> fuckign cnacer
2018-07-04T12:07:12 < PeterM> im torn on the custom android thing, on the plus side, you can have the minimum amount of shit on your phone, on the negative side, theres a bunch of stupid fucking around with shit like that
2018-07-04T12:08:07 < dongs> ThIS RoM BRoUhGhT To YoU By JiZzHeAd13
2018-07-04T12:08:10 < dongs> where 13 is his actual fucking age
2018-07-04T12:09:20 < dongs> what the fuck, this trash i jsut installed rebooted in teh middle of me fucking typing something
2018-07-04T12:09:40 < dongs> and the phone is running at like 100C
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2018-07-04T12:10:26 < c10ud> yeah, making 13 years old manage an embedded linux install on proprietary hardware doesn't sound very safe
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2018-07-04T12:23:12 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJVBlhgt9j8
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2018-07-04T12:23:50 < dongs> The last link has been flagged by IRC NANNY as "Possibly Unsuitable". Please find your parent(s) first and have them check the content before opening. [this channel protected by IrCNaNNY by SafeSoft v1.0b]
2018-07-04T12:24:49 < dongs> lol @ top comment
2018-07-04T12:42:08 < karlp> dongs: use a 3v3 rs485 transceiver instead of 5v?
2018-07-04T12:43:09 < zyp> that'd be too easy
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2018-07-04T12:46:56  * karlp shrugs. just sayin... :)
2018-07-04T12:48:00 < Haohmaru> sounds like mIRC scripts back in the day
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2018-07-04T13:10:54 < jadew> dongs, it's a custom cart
2018-07-04T13:11:07 < jadew> Steffanx, I don't know how worried I should be, I never sold anything before
2018-07-04T13:14:03 < karlp> heh, and you think that paypal will protectthe merchant... nice one :)
2018-07-04T13:14:38 < jadew> karlp, no, I was complaining about the stupid chargeback fees and the fact that you're the one losing money when an idiot gets his card stolen
2018-07-04T13:14:57 < karlp> yes, merchants have a loss of fees.
2018-07-04T13:15:05 < karlp> with paypal, you're likely to just _lose_ outright.
2018-07-04T13:15:06 < jadew> not only that, you lose the product too
2018-07-04T13:15:24 < jadew> karlp, I went for stripe initially, but I can't activate it for my country
2018-07-04T13:15:57 < jadew> I considered a couple of other options, but they seem worse than paypal
2018-07-04T13:16:13 < zyp> I haven't had any problems with chargebacks or other kinds of fraud so far
2018-07-04T13:17:03 < jadew> zyp, I've read some shitty stories about that sort of issues
2018-07-04T13:17:16 < zyp> I've had some stuff that got lost in the mail, for which I sent free replacements
2018-07-04T13:17:33 < zyp> but I've factored some loss into the prices, so that's not a problem
2018-07-04T13:18:04 < jadew> apparently, with some payment gateways you have a choice, either pay $25 and lose your money, or pay hundreds for the case to be reviewed and maybe don't lose anything or lose the 500 + everything else
2018-07-04T13:18:30 < zyp> what sort of volume will you be operating with?
2018-07-04T13:18:35 < jadew> very small
2018-07-04T13:19:00 < jadew> if you say it's not such a big deal than maybe I shouldn't have worried about it
2018-07-04T13:19:10 < zyp> small is relative, could be anything from oneoffs to 10k units
2018-07-04T13:20:02 < jadew> 10s / month, when I'll have more items on the shop, so a lot fewer at the start
2018-07-04T13:21:36 < zyp> that sounds like the same order of magnitude I'm at
2018-07-04T13:22:21 < zyp> just make sure your margins are large enough that you can afford to eat an occasional loss
2018-07-04T13:24:41 < karlp> "the shops build losses into their prices, so if we don't steal this, it's like they're winning"
2018-07-04T13:24:51 < karlp> (actual things I've heard people say abotu shoplifting)
2018-07-04T13:24:55 < zyp> haha
2018-07-04T13:25:11 < jadew> heh
2018-07-04T13:25:26 < zyp> well, technically if you don't steal it, you're paying more than average
2018-07-04T13:25:35  * karlp laughs
2018-07-04T13:28:46 < jadew> this is weird, I ordered some stuff from farnell and it left in 2 packages, from the same location
2018-07-04T13:28:56 < jadew> that was yesterday
2018-07-04T13:29:04 < jadew> one will arrive today, the other one will arrive monday
2018-07-04T13:30:50 < BrainDamage> here there's taxes on re-writeable media because it's assumed you'll use them to pirate shit
2018-07-04T13:31:04 < BrainDamage> so you can apply the same reasoning
2018-07-04T13:31:13 < c10ud^> alright, this is what I came up with: https://imgur.com/a/htaBdAi unfortunately I cannot do PeterM design because I need the out to be on the opposite part
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2018-07-04T13:33:42 < PeterM> why can you not do my design? cant you jsut rotate the thing 90degrees ccw?
2018-07-04T13:33:49 < PeterM> entire
2018-07-04T13:35:09 < PeterM> it is much better though
2018-07-04T13:35:19 < zyp> looks like a reasonable switcher design
2018-07-04T13:35:34 < zyp> the roundabout sense trace looks a bit pointless though
2018-07-04T13:35:57 < c10ud^> PeterM, I have inputs one one part of the board, everything else is on the other part
2018-07-04T13:36:53 < PeterM> atleast rotate your induuctor 90 degrees
2018-07-04T13:36:58 < PeterM> clockwise
2018-07-04T13:37:01 < zyp> c10ud^, what capacitors are those footprints? tantalums?
2018-07-04T13:37:29 < zyp> PeterM, pff, it looks good as it is
2018-07-04T13:37:31 < c10ud^> the footprint is electrolytic, but I have ceramic in inputs and tantalum in output
2018-07-04T13:38:02 < zyp> rectangular electrolytic?
2018-07-04T13:38:10 < PeterM> zyp yeah but why not make it better, its FREE to make it better
2018-07-04T13:38:16 < PeterM> take some fuckin pride in your work
2018-07-04T13:38:35 < c10ud^> https://imgur.com/a/q1tKExb
2018-07-04T13:38:43 < zyp> PeterM, I don't see how rotating the inductor makes anything better, loop distance is the same either way
2018-07-04T13:39:01 < c10ud^> zyp, sorry, I forgot I already updated the pcb from the 1st version?
2018-07-04T13:39:07 < c10ud^> with no "?"
2018-07-04T13:39:17 < c10ud^> it is ceramic indeed
2018-07-04T13:40:08 < c10ud^> and tantalum out
2018-07-04T13:40:56 < c10ud^> no I'm wrong again, they're still electrolytic but I didn't print the silk screen
2018-07-04T13:41:01 < c10ud^> :)
2018-07-04T13:41:25 < c10ud^> as for rotating the inductors, good point, I'll try
2018-07-04T13:41:46 < c10ud^> zyp, the sense trace you are right, but that's what TI does...meh
2018-07-04T13:42:04 < c10ud^> probably because they have Vout on the left side
2018-07-04T13:42:08 < c10ud^> since I have it top....
2018-07-04T13:42:21 < zyp> and also to fit that series resistor
2018-07-04T13:42:24 < zyp> whatever that is for
2018-07-04T13:42:42 < c10ud^> TI's R3 is 0 IIRC
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2018-07-04T13:49:57 < zyp> that's what I guessed
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2018-07-04T14:01:40 < c10ud^> PeterM, better? https://imgur.com/a/Sza483H
2018-07-04T14:02:23 < c10ud^> I don't particularly like those polygons, mmm
2018-07-04T14:02:29 < PeterM> if you rotate the didoe 90 degrees also you can pull the outside track in
2018-07-04T14:03:53 < c10ud^> right
2018-07-04T14:05:25 < c10ud^> would you leave everything squared?
2018-07-04T14:06:10 < c10ud^> https://imgur.com/a/M2EWtK2
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2018-07-04T14:08:27 < c10ud^> https://imgur.com/a/hygO6hc
2018-07-04T14:08:45 < PeterM> i usually do high power sections like that as polygons and let clearance rules determine the spacing, for lowest impedance
2018-07-04T14:10:56 < PeterM> swap the output cap and the feedback resistor position, place a gnd poly under the inductor and stitch it to gnd
2018-07-04T14:13:16 < zyp> no, don't do that
2018-07-04T14:13:22 < zyp> keep the feedback resistor
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2018-07-04T14:13:49 < c10ud^> I think I read somewhere the gnd under the inductor is to avoid
2018-07-04T14:13:50 < zyp> more stitching is good, but don't route the feedback trace around the ground of the output cap
2018-07-04T14:14:09 < PeterM> the current flow wont go that way
2018-07-04T14:14:17 < PeterM> it will be away from the feedback trace
2018-07-04T14:14:30 < PeterM> also it will move the inductors magentic field away from the feedback trace
2018-07-04T14:14:36 < PeterM> which is much worse
2018-07-04T14:16:01 < c10ud^> as it will absorb emi from the inductor
2018-07-04T14:16:08 < c10ud^> it is shielded though, but still
2018-07-04T14:16:09 < zyp> the feedback trace is not big enough for that to matter
2018-07-04T14:16:39 < c10ud^> I was referring to the gnd under the inductor
2018-07-04T14:16:50 < zyp> that doesn't matter
2018-07-04T14:16:54 < PeterM> but currently the output capacitors current flows RIGHT past the high impedance node in  the middle of the resistive divider to the vias
2018-07-04T14:17:40 < c10ud^> so you suggest I put it as before
2018-07-04T14:18:00 < PeterM> if oyu put the vias under the inductor, move the cap over, cut the ground and put the resistors, the high current will be on the otehr side of the cap,  away from the node in between the resistors
2018-07-04T14:18:29 < zyp> not gonna make a difference in practice
2018-07-04T14:18:42 < zyp> but I would fix the silly looking traces between the resistors
2018-07-04T14:19:01 < zyp> they also look pointlessly roundabout
2018-07-04T14:22:53 < c10ud^> https://imgur.com/a/RRBpHZw >> alright let me eat something, learning how to properly do switching is really making me hungry
2018-07-04T14:26:22 < PeterM> just looked at DC, the two pins labled NC are not connected internally
2018-07-04T14:26:59 < PeterM> i reckon do what i said with the cap and resistors and also route gnd through that
2018-07-04T14:31:52 < karlp> what's thorn's video meant to be showing?
2018-07-04T14:32:02 < karlp> water comes in, water goes out.... what's the excitement?
2018-07-04T14:32:54 < karlp> I certainly don't get why it has 400k views?
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2018-07-04T15:11:13 < c10ud^> PeterM, like this? https://imgur.com/a/9x8cVPm
2018-07-04T15:11:37 < c10ud^> I hate the fact that the feedback is interrupting my gnd tho
2018-07-04T15:11:54 < c10ud^> also won't the inductor put some noise in my gnd?
2018-07-04T15:21:56 < PeterM> a little but not much, even less if oyu do this https://i.imgur.com/aqU0O1M.png
2018-07-04T15:22:22 < PeterM> and as i said, pin 2/3 are not internally connected so they can be connected to GND, jsut liek the GND pad
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2018-07-04T15:32:03 < c10ud^> ah, so you would do a single pour with those pins also
2018-07-04T15:32:19 < c10ud^> OK I get it now
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2018-07-04T16:07:34 < c10ud^> PeterM, https://imgur.com/a/ZnhDdvM, nice
2018-07-04T16:08:10 < c10ud^> thx for your suggestions, I am really looking forward testing this out
2018-07-04T16:09:46 < c10ud^> I had to stretch the feedback trace so I could fit the resistors with the same layout
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2018-07-04T16:16:07 < tct> hi
2018-07-04T16:30:33 < Steffanx> Lo
2018-07-04T16:30:43 < tct> SUP?
2018-07-04T16:30:46 < Steffanx> Hows tct land?
2018-07-04T16:30:54 < tct> good
2018-07-04T16:30:59 < tct> et les payes-bas?
2018-07-04T16:30:59 < Steffanx> Blue sky with some tiny clouds here
2018-07-04T16:31:09 < Steffanx> Cest tres bien
2018-07-04T16:31:24 < kakimir> The Orb - Little Fluffy Clouds
2018-07-04T16:31:32 < Steffanx> Ça va?
2018-07-04T16:32:06 < tct> don't french me
2018-07-04T16:32:13 < tct> (that might have come out wrong)
2018-07-04T16:32:25 < mitrax_> ahahah
2018-07-04T16:32:49 < mitrax_> tct/SteffanX: hi
2018-07-04T16:32:53 < tct> hi there
2018-07-04T16:32:55 < Steffanx> voulez vous coucher avec moi ce soir
2018-07-04T16:33:04 < tct> not again...
2018-07-04T16:33:04 < mitrax_> no offense, but no thanks
2018-07-04T16:33:12 < tct> yes, that's what I meant as well.
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2018-07-04T16:49:04 < dongs> kikecad ground pours look terrible
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2018-07-04T16:54:45 < Steffanx> You didnt say no.
2018-07-04T16:58:37 < Sadale> o/
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2018-07-04T17:04:20 < tct> no means yes.
2018-07-04T17:04:38 < dongs> in japan, yes
2018-07-04T17:05:23 < tct> how's japan?
2018-07-04T17:05:29 < dongs> not terrible
2018-07-04T17:07:25 < Steffanx> No more swissers and jappies in the soccer world cup.
2018-07-04T17:07:39 < Steffanx> I bet tct is sad
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2018-07-04T17:08:08 < tct> tct doesn't sad
2018-07-04T17:08:56 < kakimir> my new shit while coding: Savages - Five Finger Discount
2018-07-04T17:09:03 < dongs> huh weird
2018-07-04T17:09:09 < dongs> ARM Mali shit supports DirectX
2018-07-04T17:09:21 < dongs> wonder what for
2018-07-04T17:09:26 < kakimir> win10
2018-07-04T17:09:31 < dongs> > arm
2018-07-04T17:09:59 < tct> faster uguufx
2018-07-04T17:10:39 < Steffanx> What is uguufx?
2018-07-04T17:10:46 < dongs> dude.
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2018-07-04T17:14:13 < Steffanx> It was news in 2011 it seems. Ms couldt do proper windows support in 7 years.
2018-07-04T17:14:19 < Steffanx> Couldnt
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2018-07-04T18:09:26 < bitmask> happy 4th
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2018-07-04T18:17:48 < marble_visions> hi all, with a hardware driver slave select on an spi, how can I check if the slave select is 0 or 1
2018-07-04T18:17:58  * marble_visions is using stm32l03x
2018-07-04T18:18:09 < marble_visions> hardware-driven*
2018-07-04T18:18:18 < dongs> ?
2018-07-04T18:18:28 < dongs> there's no hardware driven slave select on STM32
2018-07-04T18:19:16 < marble_visions> dongs: hmm, is that true for spi slaves?
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2018-07-04T18:20:52 < marble_visions> my setup is an spi slave with a hardware driven slave select
2018-07-04T18:21:31 < marble_visions> but i also need to know the state of the slave select, even though the spi peripheral ip takes care of reception/transmission
2018-07-04T18:22:23 < dongs> just read it as gpio?
2018-07-04T18:23:19 < marble_visions> dongs: that's one idea, have it as gpio in, and toggle the SSI bit on demand, but i'm worried that i might miss a byte during the pin enabled -> interrupt -> set ssi bit -> start spi 
2018-07-04T18:23:36 < marble_visions> and i was wondering if there was a better solution
2018-07-04T18:25:02 < dongs> the solution is that assuming this "hardware slave select" actually exists, is to use it + SPI IRQ/DMA stuff to make sure all your shit is recveived
2018-07-04T18:25:17 < Sadale> maybe read the specs and see how long does it take for the slave select signal change to have effect? Then wait for that amount of time before pushing the SPI data?
2018-07-04T18:25:37 < dongs> lol no, that doesnt matter
2018-07-04T18:27:31 < Sadale> perhaps I didn't understand his question. well, anyway :3
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2018-07-04T18:28:06 < marble_visions> dongs: from the ref manual "NSS management by hardware or software for both master and slave: dynamic change of master/slave operations"
2018-07-04T18:28:47 < marble_visions> Sadale: it should be the case that my slave be able to receive data as soon as nss is in an active level
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2018-07-04T18:29:57 < Sadale> I don't quite understand your problem :(
2018-07-04T18:30:32 < Sadale> marble_visions, is your microcontroller a master sending command to a slave?
2018-07-04T18:30:39 < dongs> no its the othe way around
2018-07-04T18:30:43 < Sadale> oh.
2018-07-04T18:30:47 < marble_visions> Sadale: my device is an spi slave
2018-07-04T18:30:57 < dongs> < marble_visions> Sadale: it should be the case that my slave be able to receive data as soon as nss is in an active level
2018-07-04T18:31:01 < dongs> then setup a fucking DMA transfer
2018-07-04T18:31:19 < marble_visions> dongs: there is one setup
2018-07-04T18:31:42 < marble_visions> i want to know the state of the pin
2018-07-04T18:31:46 < dongs> no you don't
2018-07-04T18:31:48 < Sadale> I couldn't help. I don't have experience on this sort of stuff (as of today) I'm sorry. Please seek for help from other users
2018-07-04T18:31:53 < dongs> if you have a transfer setup, it will just work
2018-07-04T18:32:23 < marble_visions> but then i'd need to setup a timer if the master stops sending halfway
2018-07-04T18:32:26 < marble_visions> thats the issue
2018-07-04T18:32:37 < marble_visions> and i want to check the nss pin for that reason
2018-07-04T18:32:45 < dongs> no
2018-07-04T18:32:54 < dongs> well, yes, but yeah, you're fukd
2018-07-04T18:32:57 < dongs> setup a EXTI on that pin i guess
2018-07-04T18:32:59 < dongs> and hope that it works
2018-07-04T18:33:19 < marble_visions> my initial thoughts, yes, but i needed to know if there was a slicker alternative
2018-07-04T18:33:23 < marble_visions> Sadale: no worries
2018-07-04T18:33:38 < dongs> i have no idea how SPI slave is supposed to be done on microcontrollers without hardware support.
2018-07-04T18:33:46 < dongs> because you basically need to be able to reset all state on nss going down
2018-07-04T18:33:51 < dongs> if there was tranfers, cancel them
2018-07-04T18:33:55 < dongs> and start new ones or wahtever
2018-07-04T18:34:01 < dongs> but all that needs to ahppen very quickly
2018-07-04T18:34:17 < dongs> is there no SPIx_IRQ or wahtever with a flag that NSS happened?
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2018-07-04T18:42:17 < marble_visions> dongs: yes, the issue is timing and I can't find any documents saying the slave needs to be able to receive after N units (us/clocks/etc)
2018-07-04T18:42:43 < marble_visions> dongs: and there aren't any interrupts/flags related to nss
2018-07-04T18:42:57 < marble_visions> apart from errors
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2018-07-04T18:51:08 < dongs> you as a slave device would need to provide a datasheet with timing
2018-07-04T18:51:19 < dongs> for whats the smallest allowed time between nss going down and start of data.
2018-07-04T18:51:28 < dongs> if you read spi slave hardware datasheets, its listed tehre.
2018-07-04T18:52:07 < marble_visions> dongs: then all is good since i can specify timings as i go along :D
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2018-07-04T21:08:55 < englishman> 39C in this town
2018-07-04T21:09:10 < englishman> Patio tiem
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2018-07-04T21:19:10 < Steffanx> !wz town
2018-07-04T21:19:12 < englishbot> [Townsville, Australia] Clear. Temp is 17.1°C. Humidity: 83%.
2018-07-04T21:19:20 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-07-04T21:19:22 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 19.4°C. Humidity: 73%.
2018-07-04T21:19:32 < Steffanx> I like this temp
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2018-07-04T21:21:39 < englishman> yeah this is pretty toasty
2018-07-04T21:21:53 < englishman> I'm in some highly gentrified shit hole condo jungle
2018-07-04T21:21:58 < englishman> looks awful
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2018-07-04T21:24:08 < Steffanx> Fill your hot tube with ice cubes :)
2018-07-04T21:24:16 < Steffanx> Tub.
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2018-07-04T21:26:12 < englishman> I don't think condos have hot tubs
2018-07-04T21:28:07 < Steffanx> Oh i thought you were referring to the amount of plants and stuff growing around you.
2018-07-04T21:28:18 < Steffanx> From the pic you showed yesterday
2018-07-04T21:31:18 < englishman> No sadly I'm not there
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2018-07-04T21:48:05 < Steffanx> i bet the humidity is close to 100% too englishman?
2018-07-04T21:48:40 < englishman> happily not
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2018-07-04T21:54:11 < englishman> 42% Of Brits Are Confused - Think Electric Cars Can't Go In A Car Wash
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2018-07-04T21:56:34 < jpa-> our car cannot go in a car wash because the antenna is rusted stuck
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2018-07-04T22:09:25 < zyp> I forgot whip antennas were a thing first time we took wife's car to a carwash
2018-07-04T22:11:03 < Steffanx> lol. I wash my car by hand.
2018-07-04T22:11:40 < Steffanx> what kind of fancy car does jpa- have
2018-07-04T22:12:15 < zyp> antenna survived just fine, but we took it off after so we don't forget it again :p
2018-07-04T22:12:30 < zyp> it's not used anyway
2018-07-04T22:12:46 < zyp> we don't have FM broadcasts in norway anymore
2018-07-04T22:12:59 < zyp> and the DAB receiver's antenna is a sticker on the inside of the windshield
2018-07-04T22:16:29 < Steffanx> No FM anymore? Damn.
2018-07-04T22:16:39 < Steffanx> DAB or DAB+?
2018-07-04T22:18:55 < zyp> yup, they shut down the entire national FM network last year
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2018-07-04T22:19:18 < zyp> probably some local stations left here and there
2018-07-04T22:20:12 < zyp> and it's DAB+
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2018-07-04T22:20:54 < Steffanx> Do all cars come with that by default then? afaik it's still pretty much "optional", but i never bought a new car, so i might be wrong on that.
2018-07-04T22:21:32 < Steffanx> 5:21, poor sterna
2018-07-04T22:21:34 < Steffanx> *stvn
2018-07-04T22:21:42 < zyp> I believe most decent cars have had it in the standard package for some years now, yes
2018-07-04T22:21:59 < zyp> wife's car has a retrofit receiver
2018-07-04T22:22:23 < stvn> Stroopwafel
2018-07-04T22:22:25 < Steffanx> Im tempted to buy some usb receiver for my radio
2018-07-04T22:22:29 < zyp> but that's a 2012 or something
2018-07-04T22:23:00 < Steffanx> Got one of those not-too-cheap aftermarket android radios on my car, but no DAB+.
2018-07-04T22:24:22 < englishman> what will FM bands be used for instead?
2018-07-04T22:24:27 < zyp> looked at maybe getting something like that for wife's car, mostly for the convenience of having google maps on a decently sized screen
2018-07-04T22:24:44 < zyp> but all the 1-DIN-units either looked like shit or too expensive
2018-07-04T22:25:08 < zyp> and it's not me driving that car anyway :p
2018-07-04T22:26:58 < zyp> englishman, apparently nothing is planned yet
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2018-07-04T22:27:29 < zyp> seems like there's been a bunch of suggestions, but no concrete plans yet
2018-07-04T22:29:22 < zyp> apparently sweden has asked if they can increase the power on their transmitters now that they can't interfere with norwegian stations anymore :p
2018-07-04T22:30:44 < Steffanx> hah
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2018-07-04T22:46:55 < mitrax_> are there programmers supported by openocd that can flash at speed greater than 2Mhz through SWD? 
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2018-07-04T22:48:55 < mitrax_> or is that limited by the mcu? (in my case STM32F429), hrm i guess that's somewhere in the datasheet
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2018-07-04T23:00:54 < mitrax_> hrm nvm, my st-link is supposed to be 8Mhz, it's openocd downgrading to lower speeds
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2018-07-04T23:06:05 < englishman> sure, jlink/ulink are much faster
2018-07-04T23:06:26 < englishman> of course you will never have full hardware features when using knockoff software
2018-07-04T23:07:11 < mitrax_> englishman: what kind of speed can i expect with SWD?
2018-07-04T23:07:23 < mitrax_> using jlink 
2018-07-04T23:09:43 < zyp> in my experience, main bottleneck is flash writing speed
2018-07-04T23:10:13 < zyp> compare loading to ram vs loading to flash
2018-07-04T23:10:34 < zyp> if loading to ram is faster than loading to flash, swd is not the bottleneck
2018-07-04T23:11:18 < Thorn> I always set my j-link to 1MHz
2018-07-04T23:15:48 < mitrax_> hmm according to openocd it seems to be flashing at 4Mhz then switches back to 1.8Mhz when the debugger is attached
2018-07-04T23:16:15 < mitrax_> zyp: isn't 33kB/sec piss slow when writing to flash?
2018-07-04T23:16:36 < mitrax_> maybe not
2018-07-04T23:35:22 < qyx> no 33kB/s is ~ok
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2018-07-05T00:17:09 < mitrax_> qyx: ok thanks
2018-07-05T00:17:24 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZChzKnCVx0 fucking tight
2018-07-05T00:17:35 < kakimir> Quixotic - Dust To Dust
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2018-07-05T00:52:53 < Steffanx> Finally some music i could listen to kakimir \o/
2018-07-05T00:55:53 < BrainDamage> do you mean actual music with a melody beyond just rhythm?
2018-07-05T00:57:18 < Steffanx> Yessir BrainDamage 
2018-07-05T01:03:53 < stvn> Lol
2018-07-05T01:07:57 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/yMqkFtfD/jb.PNG
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2018-07-05T01:25:37 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/19H9ubjs1RZjdiOonwh0MibaXgIb2zLsP/view?usp=sharing
2018-07-05T01:28:58 < Simon--> geopip2 says that IP is in DE, not mountain view
2018-07-05T01:29:21 < BrainDamage> that's just CDN
2018-07-05T01:33:02 < kakimir> I have weird non local latency problems
2018-07-05T01:33:17 < kakimir> time to time 4sec lag to ie. google or ircs
2018-07-05T01:35:53 < BrainDamage> wifi?
2018-07-05T01:36:11 < kakimir> I said non local
2018-07-05T01:36:30 < kakimir> pinged router and another device connected with ethenets
2018-07-05T01:36:43 < kakimir> it's solid 1ms probs rounded up number
2018-07-05T01:36:55 < BrainDamage> sorry, am drunk ¯\_( ͡°⌣ ͡°)_/¯ 
2018-07-05T01:37:01 < kakimir> pinged it while - lag was present
2018-07-05T01:37:12 < BrainDamage> altought, ping alone is not necessarily a good metric
2018-07-05T01:37:23 < BrainDamage> eg several routers suffer from bufferbloat
2018-07-05T01:42:21 < kakimir> maybe my asus is going into shits
2018-07-05T01:42:39 < kakimir> or russians have it
2018-07-05T01:43:06 < BrainDamage> your anus?
2018-07-05T01:44:39 < kakimir> that too
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2018-07-05T01:50:16 < mitrax_> ahaha
2018-07-05T01:50:23 < Laurenceb__> muh gui
2018-07-05T01:50:47 < Laurenceb__> good muh gui news, muh sensors, muh gps, and muh audio all wurking
2018-07-05T01:51:11 < BrainDamage> you know what'd be good news? the day you'll learn to speak like a normal human being
2018-07-05T01:51:27 < Laurenceb__> never then
2018-07-05T01:51:45 < Laurenceb__> there is a weird ~50ms lag on the audio, cant work it out
2018-07-05T01:51:54 < Laurenceb__> maybe there is a FIR filter built in?
2018-07-05T01:52:13 < BrainDamage> FIR would have linear phase
2018-07-05T01:52:16 < Laurenceb__> its a MAYA44 sound card
2018-07-05T01:52:39 < BrainDamage> so it'd be easy to test
2018-07-05T01:52:48 < Laurenceb__> I dismantled it but didnt make notes, doh
2018-07-05T01:52:57 < Laurenceb__> some sort of Ti audio dsp iirc
2018-07-05T01:53:12 < BrainDamage> most of them do, the cheap ones
2018-07-05T01:53:35 < Laurenceb__> the descriptor says 1ms lag, but the descriptor is junk
2018-07-05T01:53:53 < Laurenceb__> it doesnt match the hardware causing a load of errors in dmesg
2018-07-05T01:54:13 < BrainDamage> the lag is digital buffer-to-buffer
2018-07-05T01:54:19 < BrainDamage> not analog in to out
2018-07-05T01:54:26 < BrainDamage> however, in my experience, it comes close
2018-07-05T01:54:40 < BrainDamage> as in typically there's no weird audio analog lantecy
2018-07-05T01:54:49 < BrainDamage> so you're doing something rong as usual
2018-07-05T01:55:25 < BrainDamage> so the question is: do we want another daily long debug session where at end you reveal you
2018-07-05T01:55:40 < BrainDamage> you're doing things in absolutely retarded xy way for no reason
2018-07-05T01:56:40 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-07-05T01:56:48 < BrainDamage> I'm not joking
2018-07-05T01:56:53 < Laurenceb__> if there is a 100ms long digital buffer
2018-07-05T01:56:58 < Laurenceb__> then 50ms lag right?
2018-07-05T01:57:03 < Laurenceb__> its not complicated
2018-07-05T01:57:10 < BrainDamage> normally the buffer is a circular buffer on the pc side
2018-07-05T01:57:14 < BrainDamage> but those are configurable
2018-07-05T01:57:27 < Ultrasauce> what kind of question is that BrainDamage
2018-07-05T01:57:28 < Ultrasauce> of course we do
2018-07-05T01:57:32 < Ultrasauce> that's the best kind
2018-07-05T01:57:40 < Laurenceb__> I meant on the DSP
2018-07-05T01:57:47 < Laurenceb__> for some sort of response filtering
2018-07-05T01:58:00 < BrainDamage> unless you've got an unicorn on your hands, there isn't
2018-07-05T01:58:09 < Laurenceb__> shit that could make it unusable for calibrated mics
2018-07-05T01:58:11 < Laurenceb__> grr
2018-07-05T01:59:09 < Laurenceb__> I need to apply ISO weighting functions
2018-07-05T02:03:19 < Laurenceb__> doh
2018-07-05T02:03:32 < Laurenceb__> this is described in the manual
2018-07-05T02:03:49 < Laurenceb__> it does do DSP, but needs fancy driver, no wonder dmesg is full of errors
2018-07-05T02:04:17  * Laurenceb__ got pwnd
2018-07-05T02:06:37 < Laurenceb__> this will lurn me not 2 buy audiophool hardware
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2018-07-05T02:23:16 < Cracki> wat? weighting function? it passes stuff through a multiband equalizer?
2018-07-05T02:23:21 < Cracki> I'm sure that can be switched off
2018-07-05T02:28:57 < Laurenceb__> maybe, prob not in lunix
2018-07-05T02:29:18 < Laurenceb__> its the ISO A weighting
2018-07-05T02:29:26 < Laurenceb__> so starts at 10hz, everything makes sense
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2018-07-05T02:29:59 < Laurenceb__> they must use a 100ms long FIR
2018-07-05T02:31:01 < Laurenceb__> I mean IEC not ISO
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2018-07-05T02:42:37 < Laurenceb__> it can do some pretty neat things like standalone frequency weighting/4x4channel mixing from analogue in then squirt into SPDIF optical output
2018-07-05T02:44:30 < Laurenceb__> but it all needs windozer drivers
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2018-07-05T04:17:02 < jadew> just found another acceptable usage for goto
2018-07-05T04:17:38 < jadew> performing retries, with a counter, when a service fails
2018-07-05T04:18:35 < jadew> $retries = 0; PerformCall: { /* code goes here */ if ($retries == 0) { do something; goto PerformCall; }  }
2018-07-05T04:18:42 < jadew> the alternative is much uglier
2018-07-05T04:19:18 < aandrew> jadew: whats wrong with while there?
2018-07-05T04:19:18 < jadew> that if should have a fail check too
2018-07-05T04:19:26 < jadew> aandrew, take a look:
2018-07-05T04:19:51 < jadew> $retries = 0; while ($retries <= 1) { /* code goes here */ if (check) { ++$retries; continue; } break; }
2018-07-05T04:20:02 < jadew> the code is more confusing
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2018-07-05T04:20:08 < jadew> you have to continue and otherwise break
2018-07-05T04:20:18 < jadew> like... when you have a success you have to break the loop
2018-07-05T04:20:34 < jadew> and when you have a failure, you still have to make a jump, with continue
2018-07-05T04:20:36 < aandrew> yes, why not while()?
2018-07-05T04:20:54 < jadew> while (true)?
2018-07-05T04:21:04 < aandrew> done = false; while (! done) { if (do_shit() == success) { break; } }
2018-07-05T04:21:10 < aandrew> or sorry
2018-07-05T04:21:15 < aandrew> done = false; while (! done) { if (do_shit() == success) { done = true; } };
2018-07-05T04:21:21 < jadew> it has to be with a counter
2018-07-05T04:21:28 < jadew> you can't retry forever
2018-07-05T04:21:57 < jadew> and there's a failure check, because you have to change something in case of failure (at least I have to)
2018-07-05T04:22:11 < aandrew> retries = 10; do { if (try_shit() == success) { break; } delay(100ms); } while (retries--); ?
2018-07-05T04:22:20 < aandrew> I use that kind of construct all the time
2018-07-05T04:22:22 < jadew> still, looks ugly
2018-07-05T04:22:29 < aandrew> compared to your goto? I beg to differ
2018-07-05T04:22:37 < jadew> I think my goto adds clarity
2018-07-05T04:22:46 < jadew> the logic is straight
2018-07-05T04:23:18 < jadew> if we've failed and we can retry, let's do that
2018-07-05T04:23:38 < jadew> while repurposing a loop, takes a bit of mental gymnastics
2018-07-05T04:23:47 < aandrew> while you didn't succeed and there are retries left, retry
2018-07-05T04:23:48 < aandrew> same shit
2018-07-05T04:24:22 < aandrew> I usually put a (if retries == 0) { perma_fail(); } at the end too
2018-07-05T04:24:25 < jadew> you succeed witha break... it's just weird
2018-07-05T04:24:44 < jadew> I normally did it with the while at the top
2018-07-05T04:24:59 < jadew> checking for retries and having the failure check at the end + break afterwards
2018-07-05T04:25:05 < aandrew> sure, and I'm almost 100% positive that the compiler spits out the same shit
2018-07-05T04:27:53 < jadew> and the thing is that if you format your code properly, the label has the same effect when you read it as any of the loop keywords
2018-07-05T04:32:52 < jadew> more on how stupid the paypal developer site is:
2018-07-05T04:32:59 < jadew> when you right click a link, it follows it
2018-07-05T04:33:20 < jadew> some pages, like the pages with the test accounts, have selection disabled, so you can't copy the account names...
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2018-07-05T04:45:17 < jadew> ok, I think this concludes the paypal integration
2018-07-05T04:46:15 < jadew> now I can test the new solder
2018-07-05T04:50:49 < jadew> pretty cool, it hardens almost instantly
2018-07-05T04:51:14 < jadew> I think I'll switch to lead free at home too
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2018-07-05T07:07:51 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/v49h82z.png fucking hell. R2COM hacked me
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2018-07-05T07:40:37 < dongs> https://regmedia.co.uk/2018/07/03/langley_ibm_complaint.pdf RIP
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2018-07-05T08:53:07 < jadew> silly that a company can't hire whoever they want
2018-07-05T08:56:42 < jadew> speaking of the US, I just opened the envelope of a balloon and this is what it says on it: "IN CALIFORNIA DO NOT RELEASE OUTDOORS OR NEAR ELECTRIC POWER LINES - MAY CAUSE POWER OUTAGES"
2018-07-05T08:57:07 < jadew> I'm not making this up
2018-07-05T08:58:21 < jpa-> soon they'll add "IN GAZA DO NOT POSESS, MAY CAUSE TO BE SHOT"
2018-07-05T08:58:38 < jadew> it only has this one warning on it
2018-07-05T08:59:01 < jpa-> quick, go and suffocate on it and then sue them!
2018-07-05T08:59:08 < jadew> hah
2018-07-05T09:01:31 < jadew> today is the vote on the new copyright crap?
2018-07-05T09:01:31 < dongs> how the fuck do you tar excludingone folder
2018-07-05T09:02:20 < jadew> https://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_node/exclude.html
2018-07-05T09:02:26 < jadew> apparently you can specify a pattern
2018-07-05T09:03:47 < dongs> hmm odd it worked this time
2018-07-05T09:03:50 < dongs> didnt work yesterday wh n itried
2018-07-05T09:03:53 < dongs> maybe order of it matter
2018-07-05T09:03:56 < dongs> typical fucking opensores shti
2018-07-05T09:04:06 < jadew> you probably didn't RTFM
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2018-07-05T09:23:00 < dongs> considering how i use lunix once a year youre nto wrong
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2018-07-05T09:51:50 < Steffanx> Your irssi runs on windows dongs?
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2018-07-05T10:04:23 < jadew> Steffanx, did you print a solder spool holder by any chance?
2018-07-05T10:04:28 < Steffanx> Nope
2018-07-05T10:04:43 < jadew> need one, can't decide which
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2018-07-05T10:18:56 < jadew> I see lots of models made to accomodate several spools
2018-07-05T10:19:05 < jadew> why do people have more than one spool for solder?
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2018-07-05T11:01:03 < Steffanx> You have a printer, print em all jadew 
2018-07-05T11:05:15 < zyp> jadew, solder?
2018-07-05T11:05:24 < zyp> not spool holders for filament?
2018-07-05T11:09:04 < zyp> jadew, if you're talking about for filament, I have one of these: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2119644
2018-07-05T11:09:45 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/aMDbF.jpg
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2018-07-05T11:34:37 < jadew> zyp, no, for solder
2018-07-05T11:34:40 < jadew> those look nice tho
2018-07-05T11:35:12 < jadew> Steffanx, I'm printing this one: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:25993
2018-07-05T11:35:52 < jadew> zyp, I've been looking for a holder that would mount on the printer itself and accomodate different spool widths
2018-07-05T11:37:08 < jadew> the holder my printer came with is not the best design
2018-07-05T11:38:02 < jadew> if the spool width is different you have to completely remove one of the legs and move it farther
2018-07-05T11:39:02 < jadew> zyp, you have your extruder mounted off of the printer?
2018-07-05T11:39:17 < jadew> the motor for the extruder
2018-07-05T11:39:52 < zyp> it's a bowden extruder so it doesn't matter where it's mounted, so I just clamped it somewhere convenient and left it there
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2018-07-05T11:40:40 < zyp> printer frame originally meant to mount the extruders in the back
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2018-07-05T11:41:45 < jadew> probably needs more retraction because of that, no?
2018-07-05T11:42:06 < zyp> because it's a bowden, you mean?
2018-07-05T11:42:08 < jadew> yeah
2018-07-05T11:42:15 < zyp> probably
2018-07-05T11:42:30 < zyp> bowden extruders are not uncommon
2018-07-05T11:42:48 < jadew> I see that (just did a goolge on it)
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2018-07-05T11:51:42 < stvn> Every time you google something, a rapist is released from jail
2018-07-05T11:53:44 < jadew> it's bigger than I thought it would be
2018-07-05T11:54:18 < jadew> (the spool holder I'm printing)
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2018-07-05T12:11:29 < c10ud^> dongs, do you have contacts in the china-smart-things world?
2018-07-05T12:12:13 < c10ud^> I will probably need a programmable cheap smartwatch, and I think doing my own has mechanical challenges I would like to avoid
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2018-07-05T12:28:15 < dongs> c10ud^: just pick random shit off aliexpress
2018-07-05T12:29:32 < c10ud^> but the chinese won't open their mtk sw
2018-07-05T12:29:38 < dongs> yep
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2018-07-05T12:58:08 < stvn> welcome back Laurenceb__ 
2018-07-05T12:58:11 < stvn> did you kill those babby
2018-07-05T12:59:42 < stvn> https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-44709766
2018-07-05T12:59:49 < stvn> cause these babby can't fright back?
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2018-07-05T13:01:36 < dongs> lol wat
2018-07-05T13:25:51 < stvn> can everyone check their line voltage
2018-07-05T13:26:00 < dongs> check your line voltage privilege
2018-07-05T13:26:07 < stvn> 240.4v AC here
2018-07-05T13:26:26 < stvn> lol at checkin the privilege 
2018-07-05T13:26:35 < Steffanx> Can you measure the current for me stvn?
2018-07-05T13:26:48 < stvn> yeah mate i'll just measure it across the line yes?
2018-07-05T13:26:52 < stvn> .... ... .
2018-07-05T13:27:02 < Steffanx> Yessir
2018-07-05T13:27:38 < stvn> it'd be funny if i timed out
2018-07-05T13:27:44 < stvn> then i told you i tripped the house breaker
2018-07-05T13:28:33 < mitrax_> 236V :(
2018-07-05T13:28:38 < jpa-> wife was late for lunch today; she was out buying stroopwaffles
2018-07-05T13:28:45 < stvn> good choice 
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2018-07-05T13:30:10 < Steffanx> I can send you the best Kanjers jpa- 
2018-07-05T13:30:37 < Steffanx> Ill just send some to your work address
2018-07-05T13:30:49 < jpa-> my work address is my home address anyway :P
2018-07-05T13:30:52 < Steffanx> Stvn knows Kanjers are the best.
2018-07-05T13:31:34 < jpa-> these are "Max & Alex".. but it says "Holland's finest"!
2018-07-05T13:32:05 < Steffanx> They all say that
2018-07-05T13:32:17 < Steffanx> But only stvns opinion matters
2018-07-05T13:32:46 < stvn> i haven't even had the real thing freshly made in steffanland, but the kanjers are nice
2018-07-05T13:34:17 < stvn> I am low on kanjers, just 1 4x2 packet left
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2018-07-05T13:35:16 < mitrax_> stvn: what's your weekly consumption?
2018-07-05T13:35:33 < stvn> maybe 1
2018-07-05T13:35:41 < stvn> or 2
2018-07-05T13:36:05 < stvn> since they're in packs of 2
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2018-07-05T13:38:23 < mitrax_> a pack wouldn't last a day here... good thing i rarely buy any sweets, I would be obese otherwise
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2018-07-05T13:41:26 < stvn> indeed
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2018-07-05T13:41:51 < Steffanx> Lol thats still more than had in the last 2 months stvn
2018-07-05T13:42:40 < karlp> 💥
2018-07-05T13:42:43 < karlp> hrm nope.
2018-07-05T13:43:35 < stvn> it exploded?
2018-07-05T13:44:03 < Steffanx> 🤕
2018-07-05T13:45:45 < stvn> well that kinda blows mate
2018-07-05T13:51:50 < karlp> you got the explosion?
2018-07-05T13:51:58 < karlp> oh, neat.
2018-07-05T13:52:06 < karlp> I just got a blank. thought I copied it from another terminal
2018-07-05T13:52:24 < karlp> I guess ssh/screen/weechat and back got something upset.
2018-07-05T14:06:30 < jpa-> https://belowthesurface.amsterdam/en/vondsten   thousands of objects but zero stroopwaffles?!
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2018-07-05T14:46:06 < Steffanx> We ate them all jpa- 
2018-07-05T14:49:40 < kakimir> anyone recommend a good 12bit adc
2018-07-05T14:49:44 < kakimir> i2c
2018-07-05T14:49:55 < dongs> > i2c
2018-07-05T14:50:01 < kakimir> spi
2018-07-05T14:50:29 < karlp> he wants 12 bits, slowly....
2018-07-05T14:51:17 < dongs> why not use t he 12bit adc thats inside STM32 for free
2018-07-05T14:53:15 < kakimir> because I <3 lpc
2018-07-05T14:53:25 < kakimir> I don't start porting now
2018-07-05T14:53:29 < kakimir> and anyways
2018-07-05T14:53:40 < kakimir> the sensor has 1meter lead or so
2018-07-05T14:53:51 < kakimir> why not just avoid any interference in that lead
2018-07-05T14:54:18 < kakimir> integrate the adc to sensor
2018-07-05T14:54:40 < tomeaton17> the ads1015 does the job for me
2018-07-05T14:57:55 < kakimir> I mean my signal is 5 LSBs atm. with lpc1111 10bit adc
2018-07-05T14:58:15 < kakimir> from high to low and vica versa
2018-07-05T14:59:10 < kakimir> do you call those steps LSBs or steps?
2018-07-05T15:00:06 < kakimir> it has referrence sweet
2018-07-05T15:01:55 < kakimir> shiet it's expensive
2018-07-05T15:02:00 < kakimir> "expensive"
2018-07-05T15:05:33 < tomeaton17> There was a reel at the company so thats what I have had to use but I quite like it
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2018-07-05T15:14:23 < kakimir> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tla2021.pdf
2018-07-05T15:14:29 < kakimir> very dicky package
2018-07-05T15:14:36 < kakimir> but cheap cheap
2018-07-05T15:14:38 < Steffanx> Will you spi/i2c over that wire of 1m kakimir ?
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2018-07-05T15:14:52 < kakimir> should it be an issue?
2018-07-05T15:14:56 < jpa-> it's a great idea, what could possibly go wrong? ;)
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2018-07-05T15:15:53 < jpa-> capacitance between wires causing extra edges on clock line is the most common issue
2018-07-05T15:16:11 < kakimir> nothing seems to be easy
2018-07-05T15:16:16 < jpa-> on stm32 you could just lower the drive strenght of the GPIO, but for LPC you should probably design for some series resistors at each end
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2018-07-05T15:21:09 < Steffanx> And have great fun during immunity tests
2018-07-05T15:21:40 < kakimir> fuu
2018-07-05T15:22:03 < Steffanx> Hah.
2018-07-05T15:22:04 < kakimir> signal center point is 2.5v
2018-07-05T15:22:54 < kakimir> tla202x in gain amplifier mode +-4.096 has LSB size of 2mV
2018-07-05T15:23:32 < kakimir> my current configuration has 2,73mV
2018-07-05T15:23:39 < kakimir> no much gain there
2018-07-05T15:23:58 < kakimir> lets put stm32 to the sensor
2018-07-05T15:24:24 < kakimir> hey
2018-07-05T15:24:37 < kakimir> know any cheapcheap mcu with 12bit adc?
2018-07-05T15:24:46 < dongs> yeah, STM32
2018-07-05T15:24:57 < dongs> TSSOP20 version
2018-07-05T15:25:01 < dongs> like $0.50 
2018-07-05T15:25:15 < kakimir> fuckin perfect
2018-07-05T15:25:19 < jpa-> next: "how do i upgrade my buggy firmware that is embedded on each sensor with no programming port?"
2018-07-05T15:25:19 < invzim> pros: I want to use circular DMA to opdate oled, do I have to do any interrupt handling or does it just reset and start over on completion?
2018-07-05T15:25:31 < invzim> update an oled
2018-07-05T15:25:40 < jpa-> invzim: circular goes in loop automatically, yeah
2018-07-05T15:26:00 < dongs> i dont think thats how SPI oled works tho
2018-07-05T15:26:13 < dongs> can you just dump it data nonstop and it rolls over to beginning of gram??
2018-07-05T15:26:13 < kakimir> if I think about it
2018-07-05T15:26:14 < invzim> mmmmm, you may have a point dongs
2018-07-05T15:26:27 < invzim> it's fake spi, extra pins etc
2018-07-05T15:26:32 < dongs> because last i checked you had to send a x/y start command for each 8th row or wahtever
2018-07-05T15:26:40 < kakimir> I can run sensor code on that stm32
2018-07-05T15:27:04 < kakimir> and have only simple logic communication
2018-07-05T15:27:25 < invzim> dongs: you can update the whole buffer in one go, but you have to send some commands etc first
2018-07-05T15:28:27 < kakimir> maybe I try a trick with lower Vref first
2018-07-05T15:28:53 < kakimir> offset 2.5V signal with diodes and then
2018-07-05T15:28:55 < invzim> https://github.com/afiskon/stm32-ssd1306/blob/master/ssd1306/ssd1306.c#L174
2018-07-05T15:29:03 < kakimir> have reference diodes for temperature compensation
2018-07-05T15:30:40 < kakimir> diodes drift like shit
2018-07-05T15:31:16 < kakimir> but I can only trust that those diodes have pretty symmetric drifting
2018-07-05T15:32:01 < kakimir> I mean like 2Celsius change is one LSB
2018-07-05T15:32:18 < kakimir> or 1.5celsius
2018-07-05T15:32:34 < kakimir> @ Vref = 1.8v
2018-07-05T15:33:36 < jpa-> why you no opamp?
2018-07-05T15:33:52 < kakimir> expensive?
2018-07-05T15:34:16 < jpa-> since when?
2018-07-05T15:34:45 < karlp> it's real, both in space, partcount and design time ifyou can do it in software...
2018-07-05T15:35:13 < karlp> (use an stm32 part with opamps onboard!)
2018-07-05T15:35:23 < jpa-> kind-of, but having N+1 cpus is not exactly cheap in space, partcount and design time either
2018-07-05T15:35:27 < jpa-> nor is diode hacks
2018-07-05T15:35:36 < invzim> dongs: double meh, you're right - the code I pointed to dows row by row
2018-07-05T15:35:38 < karlp> well, just add more SMAs
2018-07-05T15:35:41 < invzim> does
2018-07-05T15:35:52 < dongs> invzim: thats waht I thought, thats whty there's a x8 loop there
2018-07-05T15:36:07 < dongs> you have to set next row address or wahtever then dump it.
2018-07-05T15:36:16 < dongs> thats beter than what I saw some i2c code from retarduino do tho
2018-07-05T15:36:19 < dongs> they set row AND column
2018-07-05T15:36:23 < dongs> and wrote 2 bytes of shit over i2c
2018-07-05T15:36:28 < dongs> for each
2018-07-05T15:36:44 < dongs> so like over 9000 writes to update dipsplay
2018-07-05T15:37:47 < kakimir> jpa-: can I offset with opamp and have also some sort of reference output from the circuit?
2018-07-05T15:37:47 < invzim> the lib I pointed to is actually pretty nice - worked out of the box
2018-07-05T15:38:19 < jpa-> kakimir: you can do anything with opamps
2018-07-05T15:38:28 < dongs> well i wrote my own
2018-07-05T15:38:32 < dongs> after looking at r etarduino
2018-07-05T15:38:47 < dongs> its not like shit is difficult all i needed was just setpixel() and updategram() or whatever.
2018-07-05T15:39:12 < invzim> takes time tho - this one come with nice monospaced fonts
2018-07-05T15:42:44 < kakimir> jpa-: it takes skill
2018-07-05T15:43:07 < kakimir> then you figure out you need opamps that cost 3eurs a pop and you need 2 of them
2018-07-05T15:43:26 < kakimir> then you realize cost just did 50% jump
2018-07-05T15:45:10 < jpa-> "now it works but it costs 50% more than the thing that didn't work, i'll rather take the cheaper one"
2018-07-05T15:45:36 < kakimir> I feel good about diode hack
2018-07-05T15:45:52 < kakimir> I throw 431 there to get voltage level for reference diodes
2018-07-05T15:46:16 < jpa-> better put it in a light-shielded box
2018-07-05T15:46:25 < kakimir> sensor and 431 are both from same +5volt supply
2018-07-05T15:46:59 < kakimir> so changes in voltage applies symmetrically to both* hopefully
2018-07-05T15:47:34 < kakimir> then I throw 1.8V reg for MCU and it's then the best that I can do
2018-07-05T15:48:06 < kakimir> if it doesn't work well enough - I may need to also implement a temperature compensation
2018-07-05T15:48:14 < kakimir> and then abandon the project
2018-07-05T15:49:03 < jpa-> this just sounds so wtf like every kakimir project ever
2018-07-05T15:49:42 < zyp> haha
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2018-07-05T15:50:14 < kakimir> run 3 different temperature compensations for it
2018-07-05T15:50:19 < kakimir> one for sensor
2018-07-05T15:50:25 < kakimir> one for mcu
2018-07-05T15:50:28 < kakimir> one for reg
2018-07-05T15:50:33 < dongs> autism compensation
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2018-07-05T15:52:10 < kakimir> I mean it already works in room temperature
2018-07-05T15:52:27 < kakimir> but man when there is temperature ramping
2018-07-05T15:52:34 < invzim> if the jlcpcb's aren't terrilbe, it's actually pretty convenient.  They include parts from lcsc=free shipping on those
2018-07-05T15:59:07 < kakimir> actually fuck 431.. it doesn't follow center voltage of the supply
2018-07-05T15:59:56 < kakimir> I bet it can be done with only 2 resistors
2018-07-05T16:00:52 < kakimir> but no.. temperature coefficient of the diodes cause voltage to change in them
2018-07-05T16:01:04 < kakimir> buffer is must
2018-07-05T16:02:28 < jpa-> invzim: silkscreen is crappy as usual, otherwise they're fine
2018-07-05T16:04:44 < c10ud^> is jlpcb quality good?
2018-07-05T16:04:45 < jpa-> kakimir: one option is something like MCP3911, which has ADC and amplification and differential input everything included
2018-07-05T16:04:55 < c10ud^> also, what is the expected lead time
2018-07-05T16:05:18 < jpa-> quality is basic, time is whatever they say on the site, usually a few days
2018-07-05T16:05:45 < c10ud^> I usually order through dirtypcbs
2018-07-05T16:05:58 < c10ud^> but I'm now seeing jlpcb is 4x cheaper
2018-07-05T16:08:20 < tomeaton17> I remember seeing a youtube video where they had a look around the jlcpcb factory
2018-07-05T16:10:39 < kakimir> jpa-: diode hack it is
2018-07-05T16:11:02 < kakimir> maybe
2018-07-05T16:11:52 < jpa-> not sure what you aim to achieve with the diodes anyway
2018-07-05T16:12:08 < kakimir> offset
2018-07-05T16:12:29 < kakimir> signal is 2.5v
2018-07-05T16:12:52 < kakimir> I have diodes already installed
2018-07-05T16:13:03 < kakimir> data comming to screen
2018-07-05T16:13:27 < kakimir> I should test how symmetric those 2 channels are if I blow some hot air to them
2018-07-05T16:13:33 < kakimir> and freeze spray
2018-07-05T16:13:44 < kakimir> test is done today
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2018-07-05T16:50:30 < kakimir> wow
2018-07-05T16:50:37 < kakimir> plan to use diodes is bad
2018-07-05T16:52:07 < karlp> you don't say...
2018-07-05T16:55:56 < kakimir> symmetry - in my ass
2018-07-05T16:56:23 < Ultrasauce> fucked by the exponential function
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2018-07-05T17:11:53 < Steffanx> c10ud^ they even do (or did) 3 euro for express dhl shipping
2018-07-05T17:12:02 < c10ud^> wat
2018-07-05T17:12:13 < Steffanx> Jlcpcb.. 
2018-07-05T17:12:26 < c10ud^> yea, question was: how
2018-07-05T17:12:36 < c10ud^> super cheap
2018-07-05T17:12:42 < Steffanx> When i ordered 2 weeks ago they did a 20 euro discount
2018-07-05T17:12:59 < Steffanx> Not sure if that still applies though
2018-07-05T17:14:50 < kakimir> 2.6v vref if the way
2018-07-05T17:14:58 < kakimir> no need to scale signal
2018-07-05T17:15:05 < kakimir> offset
2018-07-05T17:15:20 < kakimir> but get the most out of it
2018-07-05T17:15:42 < kakimir> currently I have 2.8v
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2018-07-05T17:21:38 < day> they dont have the "enter your fake invoice value" anymore D:
2018-07-05T17:22:24 < Hamilton> Ah, Anyone know how can I send an email to multiple addresses without them knowing each other addresses in thunderbird? I also want the receipents to see their address in receive address section
2018-07-05T17:22:29 < Hamilton> Can I use multiple "To:" in thunderbird to achieve this?
2018-07-05T17:22:31 < dongs> bcc??
2018-07-05T17:22:33 < dongs> no
2018-07-05T17:22:37 < day> not bcc :D
2018-07-05T17:23:15 < Hamilton> dongs, people say if one of the recipients clicks "reply all", their email would be sent to all other addresses!
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2018-07-05T17:25:34 < day> bcc would obviously work. but the receipents will receive the mail as "CC" it wont be addressed to them directly
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2018-07-05T17:28:34 < Hamilton> Then how do people mass send their resumes?
2018-07-05T17:31:53 < Sadale> Using a script?
2018-07-05T17:32:09 < dongs> lunix fags do
2018-07-05T17:32:14 < dongs> normal people just use a fuckign email client
2018-07-05T17:32:29 < dongs> https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=how+to+send+email+to+multiple+recipients+without+them+knowing
2018-07-05T17:32:46 < dongs> https://support.mozilla.org/questions/1051630
2018-07-05T17:32:53 < Sadale> aww apparently I'm labeled as one of the "linux fags" :-(
2018-07-05T17:32:58 < dongs> absolutely
2018-07-05T17:33:32 < Sadale> I'm rather interested in the guys in this channel. Why there're so many Windows users here? What brings you to this channel?
2018-07-05T17:34:00 < day> like Mutt?
2018-07-05T17:34:02 < Sadale> I wonder if the users join here because they learned this channel from the workplace or something.
2018-07-05T17:34:21 < Sadale> day, wow. You're everywhere.
2018-07-05T17:34:30 < day> no you are !
2018-07-05T17:34:37 < Sadale> day, remember we met in a parallel channel? :P
2018-07-05T17:34:42 < day> ^^
2018-07-05T17:34:47 < Sadale> lol right. We're both everywhere :D
2018-07-05T17:34:51 < Steffanx> Not even a parellel universe. Boring
2018-07-05T17:34:54 < Sadale> right. like mutt.
2018-07-05T17:34:58 < Steffanx> Parallel*
2018-07-05T17:35:34 < Steffanx> People from the work space dont irc.
2018-07-05T17:36:01 < Sadale> some do. I've seen some users chat on IRC only at work :p
2018-07-05T17:36:13 < Sadale> Since you said so, I guess it isn't the case for this channel
2018-07-05T17:36:46 < day> dongs manages the kicad mailing list with mutt + vim. so I've heard.
2018-07-05T17:36:57 < Sadale> wow. very cool! :-)
2018-07-05T17:37:02 < Sadale> I think I'll soon learn kicad.
2018-07-05T17:37:09 < Sadale> (because I need it :D)
2018-07-05T17:37:33 < Steffanx> No warezed altium?
2018-07-05T17:37:34 < day> dongs will be happy to help with your kicad questions :p
2018-07-05T17:37:38 < Steffanx> Aka altidongs
2018-07-05T17:37:58 < kakimir> dongs activated
2018-07-05T17:38:12 < day> im amazed he hasnt taken the bait yet D:
2018-07-05T17:38:29 < Sadale> I haven't even started. I guess I'll save my questions for later. :P
2018-07-05T17:38:57 < day> kicad 5 is on the verge of being released or already is. good times to get started :)
2018-07-05T17:39:00 < Sadale> dongs, Since you're in Japan, do you like anime?
2018-07-05T17:39:16 < Sadale> I will after I sort out the software :-)
2018-07-05T17:39:18 < dongs> fuck no
2018-07-05T17:39:22 < dongs> anime is fucking garbage
2018-07-05T17:39:29 < Sadale> day, see what dongs said :( 
2018-07-05T17:39:40 < Sadale> dongs, I hate you now. baka! :P
2018-07-05T17:39:41 < day> dont worry he is wrong
2018-07-05T17:39:51 < Hamilton> Guys, what do you think about getting a phD?
2018-07-05T17:39:52 < Sadale> dongs, onii-chan no baka! :P
2018-07-05T17:40:17 < dongs> Sadale: plz die in a fire thanks
2018-07-05T17:40:17 < day> its a query bot. if you query something that he isnt prepared for it causes undefined behavior :>
2018-07-05T17:40:56 < day> which triggers the call of random_insult()
2018-07-05T17:41:02 < Sadale> Hamilton, Here's my 2 cents. It takes a lot of work. And quite a few students run into depression episode after taking phD. It can be useful if you're interested in getting a job in academic world, tho
2018-07-05T17:41:07 < Sadale> dongs, :'(
2018-07-05T17:41:38 < Steffanx> That or youll turn into a Dr. Blaxter. Like laurenceb.
2018-07-05T17:41:46 < Sadale> I guess I'll avoid talking about anime right here then :P
2018-07-05T17:41:52 < day> dongs: 日本語が話せるか？
2018-07-05T17:42:09 < Steffanx> You can talk with BrainDamage about anime, Sadale 
2018-07-05T17:42:16 < dongs> < day> dongs: ??????????????????
2018-07-05T17:42:22 < dongs> too many question marks, cannot parse
2018-07-05T17:42:27 < Hamilton> Sadale, What if I told you in the place which I live, going for an abroad PhD is viewed as some kind of running away from the status cue of the country?
2018-07-05T17:42:41 < Sadale> Hamilton, I have no idea then.
2018-07-05T17:42:49 < day> dongs: dont worry that answered the question :p
2018-07-05T17:43:17 < Steffanx> Irrsi doesnt do unicode?
2018-07-05T17:43:31 < dongs> lunix from 2006 doesn't do unicode
2018-07-05T17:43:45 < Hamilton> Sadale, I want to do *hands-on* things on embedded stuff in my PhD. Would that be possible?
2018-07-05T17:44:05 < Hamilton> Or do they only expect papers and theoretical works on already made plants?
2018-07-05T17:44:31 < Steffanx> Contact some unis Hamilton 
2018-07-05T17:44:32 < Sadale> Hamilton, Here's my thought. But I can be wrong. I think PhD is more about theory than practice. It's possible that you're going to study into some very specific knowledge in-depth in order to create new knowledge for the world.
2018-07-05T17:45:42 < Sadale> Hamilton, if you just look for hand-on embedded stuffs to do, and you don't care about the qualification (which you probably do), just learn it on your own. Either take a book or look for those online resources and you're done. :p
2018-07-05T17:46:05 < Sadale> (you'd also need a lot of dedication, of course)
2018-07-05T17:46:40 < Hamilton> Sadale, I was doing this, but everyone expects a PhD abroad (it's a complicated situation because of things I've told)
2018-07-05T17:46:58 < Hamilton> Anyone with a PhD here? 
2018-07-05T17:46:58 < Sadale> Hamilton, huh? Who told you about that?
2018-07-05T17:47:49 < Hamilton> Sadale, No, I mean we have a disfunc. economy in my country so getting a PhD abroad has become kinda obligatory
2018-07-05T17:48:11 < Sadale> If it's a teacher told you about that, be extra careful. They tell you that because their career does require a lot of formal qualitifcation. And that's pretty much required for them to climb up in the career ladder in academy. So they'd think that PhD would be like super important.
2018-07-05T17:48:15 < day> also looks better on the cv
2018-07-05T17:48:23 < Sadale> Hamilton, I see. venezuela? :P
2018-07-05T17:48:30 < Hamilton> Sadale, I ran
2018-07-05T17:48:32 < Hamilton> :D
2018-07-05T17:48:51 < Sadale> wow so I guess it corerctly :o
2018-07-05T17:49:03 < Hamilton> amm.. no?
2018-07-05T17:49:07 < day> 2nd person i know on irc who got the fuck out of that place ^^
2018-07-05T17:49:09 < day> aww :(
2018-07-05T17:49:11 < Sadale> never mind
2018-07-05T17:49:35 < Hamilton> day, You know some other iranian guy from IRC?
2018-07-05T17:49:48 < Hamilton> It's strange cause my uni has filtered IRC ports lol
2018-07-05T17:49:50 < day> yeah there was one on #anime a while ago
2018-07-05T17:49:56 < karlp> yeah, there was another one not too recently somewhere I was too
2018-07-05T17:49:58 < Sadale> day, wow who he is?
2018-07-05T17:50:00 < day> but i was refering to venezuella
2018-07-05T17:50:01 < Hamilton> ah, he must be CS
2018-07-05T17:50:05 < Sadale> oh
2018-07-05T17:50:07 < day> Sadale: dont remember the nick
2018-07-05T17:50:13 < day> Sadale: no i meant iranian
2018-07-05T17:50:18 < Sadale> oh.
2018-07-05T17:50:23 < day> the 2nd guy statement was in reference to venezuela
2018-07-05T17:50:40 < kakimir> when I ddrescue stuff
2018-07-05T17:51:07 < kakimir> can I set certain drive to be read only in case type drives wrong way
2018-07-05T17:51:13 < Sadale> ddrescue saved my life several times
2018-07-05T17:51:18 < Hamilton> Thing is, I want to do a Phd in specifically *industrial* robotics ...not mars...not computer vision...not machine learning 
2018-07-05T17:51:19 < kakimir> yees
2018-07-05T17:51:21 < kakimir> it's good
2018-07-05T17:51:25 < Sadale> kakimir, just mount it as read only.
2018-07-05T17:51:30 < Sadale> also disable automount
2018-07-05T17:51:56 < day> Sadale: according to amigo "electroboom" is from Iran.
2018-07-05T17:52:11 < Sadale> day, hmm. that youtuber?
2018-07-05T17:52:13 < Hamilton> day, Yeah , you mean the canadian youtuber
2018-07-05T17:52:28 < Hamilton> But these computer vision/ machine learning stuff is everywhere I loo
2018-07-05T17:52:42 < Hamilton> I have a theory that this whole CS business is a fad lol
2018-07-05T17:53:02 < day> oh lol
2018-07-05T17:53:09 < day> i thought they were refering to a user :D
2018-07-05T17:53:14 < day> then it was another one
2018-07-05T17:53:23 < day> i remember him talking about the iranian shitty internet
2018-07-05T17:53:54 < Hamilton> day, shitty net? You must be talking about youtube/facebook/reddit/twitter being filtered
2018-07-05T17:54:04 < day> nah he said its slow iirc.
2018-07-05T17:54:08 < Hamilton> Essentially it is a whitelist
2018-07-05T17:54:14 < Sadale> I've heard that Iran has an intranet.
2018-07-05T17:54:15 < day> government slowing it down etc.
2018-07-05T17:54:26 < Sadale> Intranet is far cheaper than internet access from what I've heard.
2018-07-05T17:54:53 < Sadale> That's why someone had setup servers in Teeworlds that's dedicated for serving Iran intranet users.
2018-07-05T17:54:58 < Hamilton> Sadale, not an intranet for now 
2018-07-05T17:55:21 < Sadale> oh. Things changed again.
2018-07-05T17:55:22 < day> Sadale: you are in TW too? 
2018-07-05T17:55:26 < Sadale> day, I was.
2018-07-05T17:55:35 < Hamilton> But websites with servers inside, charge about 1/3 on "capacity quota"
2018-07-05T17:55:53 < Sadale> day, wow. you too? When you started playing it? I started it when it was in [N]Race city era.
2018-07-05T17:56:03 < Sadale> and dummy drag era. race era.
2018-07-05T17:56:04 < day> way before that
2018-07-05T17:56:12 < Sadale> I see. day senpai :3
2018-07-05T17:56:13 < day> 2009ish iirc
2018-07-05T17:56:24 < Sadale> cool!
2018-07-05T17:56:25 < day> i started with flagball
2018-07-05T17:56:30 < Sadale> flagball?
2018-07-05T17:56:38 < Sadale> is that like football or basketball mod?
2018-07-05T17:56:43 < day> yeah it never exploded
2018-07-05T17:56:51 < day> its reverse capture the flag 
2018-07-05T17:56:53 < Sadale> cool
2018-07-05T17:57:00 < Sadale> oh
2018-07-05T17:57:18 < Sadale> so you take your own flag to the opponet's place and you score?
2018-07-05T17:57:44 < day> actually im not even sure anymore lol
2018-07-05T17:57:56 < day> but yeah i think thats how it was
2018-07-05T17:58:17 < Sadale> I see. cool! :)
2018-07-05T17:58:24 < Sadale> These days TW is ddrace and those idle cities :(
2018-07-05T17:58:32 < Sadale> cities were cool before money were a thing.
2018-07-05T17:58:58 < Sadale> It was about socialization. These days cities are about sitting around and make virtual money and buy useless stuffs :(
2018-07-05T17:59:05 < Sadale> And interaction with those bots instead of human :(
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2018-07-05T18:09:10 < karlp> is teeworlds justopensource worms or something?
2018-07-05T18:12:21 < kakimir> we played a lot of worms when I had ngage
2018-07-05T18:12:30 < kakimir> in school bus
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2018-07-05T18:13:08 < Sadale> nope.
2018-07-05T18:13:19 < Sadale> teeworlds is a first-person shooter game.
2018-07-05T18:13:35 < Sadale> However, people make mod with it. Those mod are much more popular than the vanilla games.
2018-07-05T18:14:17 < Sadale> These days DDRace (dummy drag race) is the biggest mod. Those players play it as a collab-race game. It's sort of action+puzzle+race combined mod.
2018-07-05T18:17:47 < karlp> nothing about https://www.teeworlds.com/ looks like first person shooter?
2018-07-05T18:18:00 < day> its a side scroll shooter i would say
2018-07-05T18:18:24 < day> and the mods are more popular because vanillas skill ceiling is through the roof :P
2018-07-05T18:19:06 < tomeaton17> its a first person shooter, where you are remote controlling a character on a 2d map
2018-07-05T18:19:14 < day> its pretty much a 2d version of quake. that tried to remove every form of rng
2018-07-05T18:19:30 < karlp> I don't understand how that can possibly be called a first person shooter
2018-07-05T18:19:40 < day> i believe the only rng left are the initial spawn points
2018-07-05T18:19:43 < vampi-the-frog> only the first person played it
2018-07-05T18:20:07 < tomeaton17> Its definitely a side scroller lol
2018-07-05T18:20:23 < Sadale> karlp, tomeaton17, huh? It's really a first person shooter. Not side scroller.
2018-07-05T18:20:37 < Sadale> It's just like 3D fps, except that it's 2D.
2018-07-05T18:20:48 < vampi-the-frog> do you know what the term 'first person' means?
2018-07-05T18:20:54 < Sadale> and that's pretty much what vanilla teeworlds is about.
2018-07-05T18:20:57 < day> its as much first person as a 3rd person 3d game is first person :P
2018-07-05T18:20:59 < Sadale> like you're controlling the character?
2018-07-05T18:21:06 < tomeaton17> You don't look out of the game characters eyes?
2018-07-05T18:21:11 < Sadale> oh.
2018-07-05T18:21:26 < Sadale> still the camera is focusing on your character :P
2018-07-05T18:21:33 < day> unless dyncam
2018-07-05T18:21:34 < vampi-the-frog> then it's 3rd person
2018-07-05T18:21:37 < Sadale> if you move the camera moves alone.
2018-07-05T18:21:40 < Sadale> s/alone/along
2018-07-05T18:21:47 < vampi-the-frog> yes, that's 3rd person whether it's in 3D or 2D
2018-07-05T18:22:07 < tomeaton17> I don't think a first person 2d side scroller is possible
2018-07-05T18:22:08 < vampi-the-frog> the 3D equivalent is when you see from behind the guy or the car
2018-07-05T18:22:08 < day> nah in 3rd person you can rotate the hero without the camera moving (usually)
2018-07-05T18:22:18 < Sadale> I see. So you have to look from the character's eyes for it to be fps.
2018-07-05T18:22:27 < day> y
2018-07-05T18:22:34 < vampi-the-frog> first person means you see through the character's eyes
2018-07-05T18:22:47 < Sadale> Today I learned.
2018-07-05T18:22:57 < vampi-the-frog> well you should have learned this in school
2018-07-05T18:23:04 < vampi-the-frog> this is seriously third grade stuff
2018-07-05T18:23:34 < vampi-the-frog> anyway, I'm gonna play some minecraft
2018-07-05T18:23:42 < tomeaton17> autism intensifies
2018-07-05T18:23:44 < vampi-the-frog> it's a side scroller because all the textures are pixelly
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2018-07-05T18:25:09 < Sadale> vampi-the-frog, hey that's rude :(
2018-07-05T18:25:12 < karlp> no. because it scrolls, sideways..
2018-07-05T18:25:22 < vampi-the-frog> ok so sonic the hedgehog, was that pixelly?
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2018-07-05T18:26:17 < tomeaton17> Sadale: dont worry about it
2018-07-05T18:26:25 < Sadale> :c
2018-07-05T18:26:38 < vampi-the-frog> super mario bros on NES, was that pixelly?
2018-07-05T18:27:40 < tomeaton17> vampi-the-frog: Obviously games from that era will be pixelly?
2018-07-05T18:27:50 < tomeaton17> Ori and the blind forest, is that pixelly?
2018-07-05T18:27:53 < vampi-the-frog> ok and both those games were sidescrollers right?
2018-07-05T18:28:03 < tomeaton17> yes and see my counter example
2018-07-05T18:28:12 < vampi-the-frog> answer my question
2018-07-05T18:28:27 < tomeaton17> I already have
2018-07-05T18:28:33 < vampi-the-frog> ok so ergo
2018-07-05T18:28:37 < vampi-the-frog> minecraft is pixelly
2018-07-05T18:28:40 < vampi-the-frog> therefore it is a sidescroller
2018-07-05T18:28:49 < tomeaton17> time to get back on the meds dude
2018-07-05T18:29:04 < vampi-the-frog> do you follow my logic?
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2018-07-05T18:32:02 < kakimir> if I mount drive as read only to filesystem
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2018-07-05T18:32:14 < kakimir> does ddrescue warn me if I try to write over it
2018-07-05T18:32:23 < vampi-the-frog> only one way to find out
2018-07-05T18:32:26 < kakimir> or does it allow any mounting of the disc being read
2018-07-05T18:32:40 < Sadale> kakimir, you can't write to it at all.
2018-07-05T18:32:48 < tomeaton17> kakimir: it will say read only file
2018-07-05T18:33:08 < Sadale> kakimir, if you mount the filesystem as read only you can't write anything to it.
2018-07-05T18:33:16 < vampi-the-frog> ddrescue is a first person sidescroller
2018-07-05T18:33:32 < Sadale> if you don't believe that try creating a file on the filesystem. That just won't work
2018-07-05T18:33:39 < kakimir> Sadale: that is the purpose
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2018-07-05T18:33:47 < kakimir> to keep another drive safe
2018-07-05T18:33:50 < vampi-the-frog> I think ddrescue works with the device itself, not the filesystem
2018-07-05T18:33:56 < kakimir> yes
2018-07-05T18:34:00 < Sadale> right.
2018-07-05T18:34:06 < kakimir> but does it even check if drives are mounted
2018-07-05T18:34:14 < kakimir> partitions*
2018-07-05T18:34:23 < kakimir> or is it like.. yolo
2018-07-05T18:34:26 < Sadale> I don't know. Of course, don't mount them. It'd be very dumb to do so. :P
2018-07-05T18:34:38 < vampi-the-frog> try reading a random byte and overwriting it
2018-07-05T18:35:10 < kakimir> is there such cables in ebay or so that should allow me connecting 3.5" drives to sata of laptop or so
2018-07-05T18:35:17 < kakimir> male-female
2018-07-05T18:35:34 < dongs> wat
2018-07-05T18:35:38 < kakimir> oh I said it
2018-07-05T18:35:51 < dongs> no there's no such thing because it would be retarded
2018-07-05T18:35:59 < dongs> 3.5" drive needs 5v/12v supply
2018-07-05T18:36:01 < dongs> which sata doesnt provide
2018-07-05T18:36:10 < kakimir> https://www.ebay.com/itm/30CM-Male-to-Female-SATA-Data-Power-Extension-Cable-M-F-22P-7-15Pin-P3T-L6W1/182948797783
2018-07-05T18:36:25 < kakimir> found it dongks
2018-07-05T18:36:28 < dongs> good luck
2018-07-05T18:36:59 < kakimir> I mean if I just have laptop for doing shit
2018-07-05T18:37:09 < kakimir> I can throw drives to it with that
2018-07-05T18:37:59 < kakimir> liveboot lunix
2018-07-05T18:38:24 < Steffanx> Who uses lunix?
2018-07-05T18:39:00 < kakimir> ddrescuers
2018-07-05T18:39:05 < Sadale> me
2018-07-05T18:39:10 < kakimir> I mean you don't do that shit on windows
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2018-07-05T18:39:15 < kakimir> you just don't
2018-07-05T18:39:37 < Sadale> just use whatever OS you like and please leave me alone. =P
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2018-07-05T18:44:11 < kakimir> some times some stuff needs to be done
2018-07-05T18:44:17 < kakimir> I code in windows myself
2018-07-05T18:44:28 < kakimir> but I code AVRs in linux
2018-07-05T18:44:56 < kakimir> just install the shiets and write and compile and flash all just so easy
2018-07-05T18:45:48 < Sadale> I see. I use linux most of the time. I use Windows when I have to :3
2018-07-05T18:45:57 < Sadale> mainly for playing games :P
2018-07-05T18:46:15 < Sadale> and in the past, I use it for running Visual Studio that's required for doing course work.
2018-07-05T18:47:22 < tomeaton17> and obviously windows for altium
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2018-07-05T18:47:51 < Sadale> seems that this one is a very popular piece of software. I've never use it personally.
2018-07-05T18:48:01 < Sadale> I've seen my coworker using it and talking about it all of the time, tho
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2018-07-05T18:49:17 < Steffanx> Sadale: its lunix, nor linux.
2018-07-05T18:49:25 < Steffanx> You have much to learn.
2018-07-05T18:49:30 < Steffanx> Not*
2018-07-05T18:49:46 < karlp> I use my ps4 for playing games.
2018-07-05T18:49:50 < Sadale> seriously?
2018-07-05T18:49:57 < Steffanx> Yessir.
2018-07-05T18:50:06 < karlp> I think the only downside is it's not very fast at loading.
2018-07-05T18:50:17 < Steffanx> Who to support now iceland is out, karlp 
2018-07-05T18:50:37 < karlp> well, iceland, australia are both out.
2018-07-05T18:50:40 < karlp> then mexico was out
2018-07-05T18:50:47 < karlp> then columbia was out.
2018-07-05T18:50:52 < karlp> croatia for sure.
2018-07-05T18:50:59 < karlp> our old besties
2018-07-05T18:51:21 < karlp> japan out too, all the fun gone.
2018-07-05T18:51:56 < tomeaton17> you must support england theyre fun
2018-07-05T18:52:05 < karlp> riiiight
2018-07-05T18:53:15 < tomeaton17> I am not biased
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2018-07-05T19:34:02 < Steffanx> Lol tomeaton17. Never.
2018-07-05T19:51:02 < karlp> fucking fuck
2018-07-05T19:51:24 < karlp> call reduce on a table, and if it only has one entry, it doesn'c all the reduce function with entry + nil, it just reutrns the entry
2018-07-05T19:51:28 < karlp> fucking garbage is that!
2018-07-05T19:51:51 < karlp> with three entries, you get a call with elements 1 and 2, and another call with elements 3 and nil.
2018-07-05T19:53:56 < bitmask> so much to do... so little motivation
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2018-07-05T19:55:43 < karlp> well, consistent with javascript at least.
2018-07-05T19:55:50 < karlp> no idea how that's considered helpful but ok.
2018-07-05T19:59:35 < dongs> the fuck is reduce
2018-07-05T19:59:39 < dongs> is that some newfag shit
2018-07-05T19:59:49 < dongs> python filth
2018-07-05T20:00:11 < dongs> why/no/mare
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2018-07-05T20:01:39 < Steffanx> Every modern language does map-reduce stuff
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2018-07-05T20:07:51 < karlp> yeah, python's reduce() does the same thing.
2018-07-05T20:08:17 < karlp> I don't care if you were processing lists of objects, and wanted your function to get called, only one item? we're just bypassing your reduce function and returning the first itme.
2018-07-05T20:08:38 < karlp> I understand they'll never change that behaviour now, but how does that ever start?!
2018-07-05T20:09:35 < bitmask> I dont understand the need for these functions, whats wrong with a simple for loop
2018-07-05T20:11:16 < karlp> nothing.
2018-07-05T20:11:31 < karlp> ify ou want to do a loop though,you need to write the loop, and your vars outside it.
2018-07-05T20:12:08  * karlp just replaced reduce witha  loop... :)
2018-07-05T20:13:09 < bitmask> I don't even use foreach
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2018-07-05T20:17:20 < Steffanx> Do you use goto bitmask?
2018-07-05T20:40:53 < bitmask> everywhere
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2018-07-05T20:47:31 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffxKSjUwKdU pop music times
2018-07-05T20:48:58 < mitrax_> you mean poop music
2018-07-05T20:49:32 < kakimir> ye
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2018-07-05T20:59:19 < Steffanx> what mitrax_ said.
2018-07-05T20:59:33 < Steffanx> read Ariana Grande, closed window.
2018-07-05T21:00:32 < kakimir> I said pop musics
2018-07-05T21:01:06 < kakimir> that meas all bets are off
2018-07-05T21:01:09 < kakimir> means
2018-07-05T21:02:06 < Steffanx> Better not post crap, you're not Dr. Bla. :P
2018-07-05T21:07:38 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgdj9HpdzvI pipistrel alpha electro
2018-07-05T21:25:26 < kakimir> hmm
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2018-07-05T21:25:38 < kakimir> I connect to internets via my mobile phone
2018-07-05T21:25:55 < kakimir> then connect to irssi box in local network
2018-07-05T21:26:02 < kakimir> there is no lag in irssi
2018-07-05T21:28:33 < kakimir> something about that local connection to that irssi box is causing the lag
2018-07-05T21:28:56 < kakimir> or presence of my laptop in the netweokr
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2018-07-05T23:21:28 < Steffanx> englishman, guy is now even going to sell his leaf range extenders: https://muxsan.com/
2018-07-05T23:21:50 < Steffanx> EU only though :P
2018-07-05T23:26:37 < zyp> nice
2018-07-05T23:27:25 < zyp> surprised there's no norwegians on the preorder list
2018-07-05T23:30:07 < Steffanx> Im not sure where the guy got his audience.
2018-07-05T23:30:10 < Steffanx> *gets
2018-07-05T23:31:01 < kakimir> leaf :p
2018-07-05T23:31:42 < kakimir> it's like hybrid but w/o engine
2018-07-05T23:31:50 < zyp> kakimir, they're the most popular BEVs
2018-07-05T23:32:00 < zyp> at least here, not sure about the rest of the EU
2018-07-05T23:32:12 < Steffanx> They are ugly as hell though
2018-07-05T23:32:16 < Steffanx> The new one is much nicer
2018-07-05T23:32:26 < zyp> yeah, the 2018 leaf actually looks okay
2018-07-05T23:32:55 < zyp> my wife hates the green color a bunch of them come in though :p
2018-07-05T23:33:12 < Steffanx> isnt it a lightish green?
2018-07-05T23:35:31 < zyp> yeah
2018-07-05T23:35:54 < zyp> looks like they call it «spring cloud»
2018-07-05T23:35:55 < zyp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV48FxcbRxs
2018-07-05T23:36:50 < Steffanx> she'd prefer https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/800x450/format/jpg/quality/85/http://www.blogcdn.com/green.autoblog.com/media/2011/09/pink-leaf.jpg ?
2018-07-05T23:37:09 < zyp> haha, probably :p
2018-07-05T23:43:41 < day> i dont get who buys these cars new
2018-07-05T23:44:13 < day> which person with no money buys a brand new car. and people with money certainly dont buy these shitty cars :/
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2018-07-06T00:20:44 < Steffanx> is day a yankee?
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2018-07-06T00:28:00 < day> well i like cars with lots of horse power. but im not a yankee :>
2018-07-06T00:30:07 < Steffanx> Canuck?
2018-07-06T00:30:29 < day> german
2018-07-06T00:30:43 < Steffanx>  oh noes
2018-07-06T00:32:31 < Steffanx> can we do something about that day?
2018-07-06T00:33:14 < zyp> day, idk about leaf, but I bought a brand new e-golf a couple of years ago
2018-07-06T00:34:08 < day> well i initially didnt realize it was an ecar. i can understand why people  buy new ecars (for now) as the steps are huge
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2018-07-06T00:34:34 < day> why did you buy a new egolf?
2018-07-06T00:34:48 < day> simply to be green? or to have a toy to play with?
2018-07-06T00:35:00 < day> well 'green'
2018-07-06T00:36:48 < Steffanx> Electricity in norway is pretty "green" afaik. 98% is so called renewable.
2018-07-06T00:37:04 < zyp> because it appeared overall as the most appealing option when I decided to replace my old car
2018-07-06T00:37:06 < Steffanx> the other 2% is fossil.
2018-07-06T00:38:05 < Steffanx> Then comes dutchland where 81% is still fossil :D
2018-07-06T00:38:08 < day> its just for 20k i can buy monster of a used ice car. or if i want to be economical i buy another used <5k eur car
2018-07-06T00:38:13 < zyp> if you want a more detailed answer, I guess I'd have to divide it into why I decided to buy a new car and why I decided on an e-golf
2018-07-06T00:38:44 < Steffanx> You're the first german i hear that doesnt buy a new car.
2018-07-06T00:38:51 < Steffanx> all germans buy new cars.
2018-07-06T00:38:56 < day> lol
2018-07-06T00:39:10 < day> i trash my 2002 golf till it falls apart
2018-07-06T00:40:29 < zyp> as for why I bought a new car; during summer vacation 2015 I went touring norway with a couple of friends, and one of them had just gotten a 2015 polo, so I got around 4000km behind the wheel of that one
2018-07-06T00:41:08 < Steffanx> But you had this good old volvo.
2018-07-06T00:41:32 < zyp> which made me realize «damn, this adaptive cruise control and other modern stuff in this car is awesome, I'm not gonna spend money on another car without that»
2018-07-06T00:41:38 < day> i dont like the new vw's. they all have this clutch delay valve >.>
2018-07-06T00:41:49 < zyp> mine doesn't :p
2018-07-06T00:42:03 < day> thats the other thing i hate. i cant shift in ecars D:
2018-07-06T00:42:42 < zyp> no shifting felt weird at the start, but I don't miss it
2018-07-06T00:42:51 < Steffanx> Ill give you a fake shifter day
2018-07-06T00:43:12 < day> i know that most people dont like shifting. but i love it :X
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2018-07-06T00:43:24 < day> motorcycle guys understand me :>
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2018-07-06T00:44:18 < Steffanx> I love it, but i dont really think about it either
2018-07-06T00:44:25 < zyp> when I test drove the e-golf before I got mine, I kept accelerating out of intersections, then letting up a bit (which usually hints an automatic to shift up) before accelerating more
2018-07-06T00:44:27 < Steffanx> I dont love it*
2018-07-06T00:44:57 < zyp> dropped that habit pretty soon though
2018-07-06T00:44:59 < day> sadly i believe the only vws that still dont have a cdv are the ones sold by 'volkswagen commercial vehicles'. The VW caddy is nice to drive
2018-07-06T00:45:31 < zyp> by cdv, are you talking about modern manuals or what?
2018-07-06T00:45:32 < Steffanx> There is more than vw you know
2018-07-06T00:45:41 < zyp> or DSG?
2018-07-06T00:46:20 < zyp> I haven't driven a modern (non-electric) VW without DSG
2018-07-06T00:46:22 < day> nah the cdv 'clutch delay valve' restricts the closing speed of the clutch. so basically your clutch pedal comes up sluggish
2018-07-06T00:46:42 < zyp> that sounds kinda stupid
2018-07-06T00:47:20 < day> lots of companies do that these days. it prevents accidental clutch drops that put lots of stress on the drivetrain
2018-07-06T00:47:33 < zyp> yeah, sure, I can see why
2018-07-06T00:48:00 < day> the ford kuga has it as well >.>
2018-07-06T00:48:29 < zyp> but isn't the market going more and more towards automatic transmissions anyway?
2018-07-06T00:48:42 < zyp> except for enthusiasts
2018-07-06T00:48:50 < zyp> which wouldn't want the cdv
2018-07-06T00:49:00 < day> yeah i think so. but manuals are still cheaper. and when it comes down to it people often pick the XkEur cheaper model which only lacks the automatic
2018-07-06T00:49:26 < zyp> could be
2018-07-06T00:50:15 < day> the high end soccer mum cars a6, bmw 5er etc. i would guess are mostly automatic these days
2018-07-06T00:50:21 < zyp> do you have «automatic only» limitations on driver licenses in .de?
2018-07-06T00:50:25 < day> yes
2018-07-06T00:50:35 < zyp> same
2018-07-06T00:50:45 < zyp> I hear more and more people are getting those nowadays
2018-07-06T00:50:57 < day> i doubt thats the case here
2018-07-06T00:51:11 < day> all our company cars are manuals.
2018-07-06T00:51:29 < zyp> my wife is from .jp where automatic only is the norm
2018-07-06T00:52:04 < zyp> I've been renting cars in .jp a couple of times, you won't even find a manual rental car there
2018-07-06T00:52:27 < day> its also a common topic when our sales guys order there cars. its either 2.0l with 160hp manual. or 1.8l with automatic. :P
2018-07-06T00:53:19 < day> i would say that manual is the norm here. but it is not unlikely to find an automatic
2018-07-06T00:53:35 < zyp> and considering most if not all hybrids are automatic, I expect manual transmissions will be more or less dying soon
2018-07-06T00:53:50 < zyp> yeah, older cars in norway are mainly manual too
2018-07-06T00:54:02 < zyp> most norwegian rental cars I've driven have been manual
2018-07-06T00:54:24 < day> i wonder, cant you specify what you want when you rent?
2018-07-06T00:54:48 < zyp> sure, if you have a preference (especially if you have the limitation on your license)
2018-07-06T00:55:19 < zyp> on the other hand, most norwegian rental cars I've driven have been «free returns»
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2018-07-06T00:55:45 < Laurenceb__> muh gui
2018-07-06T00:57:16 < day> we have one opel ampera in our parking lot. but that car is kind of a joke of an ecar
2018-07-06T00:57:43 < zyp> when somebody does a one way rental, that leaves the company with a car in the wrong location, so somebody got the bright idea of making a website where rental companies can publish cars they would like returned from B to A, so that if you're going from B to A you can take it for free (more or less)
2018-07-06T00:57:49 < day> only supports 16A 230V charging, packs an additional 70ish hp motor as a backup generator and weighs 2tons 
2018-07-06T00:58:16 < zyp> well, it's a plugin hybrid
2018-07-06T00:58:54 < zyp> it's kinda unfair to compare it to full electrics
2018-07-06T00:59:47 < zyp> should be comparable to the bmw i3 rex
2018-07-06T01:00:07 < day> oh that one has a motor too? i thought its e only
2018-07-06T01:00:27 < zyp> the rex variant has a gasoline generator
2018-07-06T01:00:44 < zyp> rex = range extender
2018-07-06T01:00:50 < day> ah
2018-07-06T01:01:29 < zyp> the fully electric i3 does it pretty well here in norway, the rex probably doesn't sell much at all
2018-07-06T01:01:54 < zyp> it's in a fun situation regarding the norwegian tax scheme/ev benefits
2018-07-06T01:02:01 < day> yeah these hybrids feel like these "hdd+ssd" combo units. doomed to fail
2018-07-06T01:02:53 < day> on the other hand i dont see E cars being the end solution. i couldnt even charge one comfortably
2018-07-06T01:03:19 < zyp> EVs are exempt from both registration fees and VAT, but that only applies to fully electrics, not hybrids
2018-07-06T01:03:57 < day> they have some advantages here too (hybrids included). Not sure what they are though. They also have different licence plates
2018-07-06T01:04:26 < zyp> so the i3 rex gets a 25% price hike just from the VAT, in addition to whatever the rex addition itself costs
2018-07-06T01:04:40 < day> rekx'd
2018-07-06T01:05:09 < zyp> also doesn't get any of the other benefits like bus lane access, free parking, free road tolls, etc
2018-07-06T01:05:23 < day> i could see myself getting an emotorcycle
2018-07-06T01:06:23 < zyp> there's some options around
2018-07-06T01:06:45 < zyp> apparently only one brand so far that supports fast charging
2018-07-06T01:07:12 < day> i dobut i would even need that. it would be a commuting whore.
2018-07-06T01:08:02 < zyp> sure, but without fast charging it would also be pretty much limited to that
2018-07-06T01:08:36 < day> it's just stupid how they try to redesign cars/ motorbikes. it's like the designer believe it is a new era and everyone wants shitty eco looking vehicles now. which is why i like the egolf a lot
2018-07-06T01:08:55 < zyp> true
2018-07-06T01:09:09 < zyp> by the way, whereabouts in .de are you?
2018-07-06T01:09:31 < day> nrw
2018-07-06T01:09:35 < day> northern nrw
2018-07-06T01:09:49 < zyp> not familiar with that acronym
2018-07-06T01:10:08 < day> google nows it ;p north rhine westphalia. 
2018-07-06T01:10:35 < day> everyone says nrw because the name is too damn long
2018-07-06T01:10:57 < stvn> I’ve heard Westphalia 100 times
2018-07-06T01:11:03 < stvn> Dunno where it is
2018-07-06T01:11:12 < zyp> ah, cool, then I'll be driving by in a couple of weeks :)
2018-07-06T01:11:13 < Steffanx> In germany
2018-07-06T01:11:27 < day> well westphalia is within north rhine westphalia. its a region, which afaik doesnt have clear borders
2018-07-06T01:12:16 < day> i happen to be from that region
2018-07-06T01:13:26 < stvn> Crezzy
2018-07-06T01:14:04 < day> well nrw has the highest population of all german states. so it is likely that someone from germany comes from nrw ;)
2018-07-06T01:14:40 < stvn> I see
2018-07-06T01:15:08 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/WoIzs.png <- planning on driving roughly this route in my e-golf, so if you wanna say hi and make fun of my car you can do that :p
2018-07-06T01:15:47 < day> is that a roundtrip? or two alternative routes?
2018-07-06T01:15:54 < zyp> yes, roundtrip
2018-07-06T01:16:07 < zyp> with different paths out and back
2018-07-06T01:16:21 < stvn> Tour of innovation
2018-07-06T01:16:38 < day> why not go over malmo goteborg instead of water?
2018-07-06T01:17:25 < day> you plan your reload stops before hand?
2018-07-06T01:19:01 < day> the A1 from Hamburg -> Muenster is a blast btw. lots of unlimited sections
2018-07-06T01:20:09 < zyp> I'm not really planning where to stop and charge in advance, but I've naturally looked up that there's actually chargers at all in the areas I'm planning to go :p
2018-07-06T01:20:26 < kakimir> on autobahn you need to flat out
2018-07-06T01:20:35 < kakimir> and see what happens
2018-07-06T01:20:35 < day> yeah good luck with that in germany. it appears to be a nightmare
2018-07-06T01:21:05 < kakimir> how quickly temps get too high and you lose power
2018-07-06T01:21:05 < day> maybe the situation is better on the highways idk
2018-07-06T01:21:12 < zyp> well, there's plenty of chargers, so I'm not worried about not being able to charge
2018-07-06T01:22:05 < zyp> the annoying part is that there's a ton of different companies with differing price models and shit
2018-07-06T01:23:05 < zyp> in norway we have it super easy; we have two major providers and they are both running the same price model of 2.5 NOK/min, and between them they have pretty much the entire country covered
2018-07-06T01:23:32 < mitrax_> how long does a full charge take?
2018-07-06T01:24:25 < zyp> a typical fast charging stop for me takes 20 minutes, give or take
2018-07-06T01:24:40 < mitrax_> damn that's fast
2018-07-06T01:24:49 < zyp> that's from close to empty to about 80%
2018-07-06T01:25:02 < day> well 80% is basically 100% right?
2018-07-06T01:25:25 < day> i mean the last 20% are 'overcharge'. at least thats how it works with tesla afaik
2018-07-06T01:25:30 < zyp> at 80% the car halves the charging power, so it doesn't make sense to charge more
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2018-07-06T01:26:16 < zyp> especially since chargers are priced per minute here, so that effectively doubles the kWh cost
2018-07-06T01:26:53 < zyp> and no, 100% in egolf is still not utilizing the entire battery like it does in tesla
2018-07-06T01:27:09 < zyp> the top whatever percent is completely hidden from the user
2018-07-06T01:27:15 < zyp> which is fine
2018-07-06T01:27:32 < zyp> AFAIK in tesla you can use them, but are discouraged to
2018-07-06T01:27:57 < day> yeah you can activate overcharge for one charging session
2018-07-06T01:28:05 < zyp> IIRC they call it «range mode» or something
2018-07-06T01:28:09 < day> but it degrades the battery
2018-07-06T01:28:13 < zyp> yeah
2018-07-06T01:28:34 < day> can you power a home powergrid with the egolf?
2018-07-06T01:28:53 < zyp> doesn't really matter much, on a small battery the few extra percent you get from that doesn't take you much further
2018-07-06T01:28:54 < day> almost tempting to stop using the ridiculously expensive wall electricity
2018-07-06T01:29:34 < zyp> I guess in theory power could be pulled out through the fast charge port, but I don't think any practical equipment exists to do so
2018-07-06T01:29:49 < zyp> also
2018-07-06T01:30:01 < zyp> «ridiculously expensive wall electricity»? :)
2018-07-06T01:30:53 < day> well im paying 25cents/kwh. i suspect that 2.5nok/min on fast charging will be dirt cheap compared to that
2018-07-06T01:31:48 < zyp> no, fast charging comes out to something like 4 NOK/kWh, i.e. .4 EUR/kWh
2018-07-06T01:31:53 < day> thats 1.75NOK/kwh
2018-07-06T01:32:00 < day> eh?
2018-07-06T01:32:19 < day> your battery has 28.64kwH. you can charge that in 20mins @ 2.5nok/min
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2018-07-06T01:32:37 < day> 28.64kwh being 35.8kwh*0.8
2018-07-06T01:33:13 < zyp> ah, that's the newer egolf, I have the 24 kWh variant, of which 21.4 kWh or something are usable
2018-07-06T01:33:20 < day> ah ok
2018-07-06T01:33:43 < day> still you would end up sub 2nok/kwh with that
2018-07-06T01:33:55 < day> sub 2.5*
2018-07-06T01:34:20 < zyp> I think calculating with 80% is overestimating as well
2018-07-06T01:34:44 < day> but true. in your case it would be to close to be worth the hassle
2018-07-06T01:34:55 < zyp> typically the charger averges 42kW at most, which in 20 minutes seems to come out to 65%
2018-07-06T01:35:16 < day> ah you are already pulling at max :(
2018-07-06T01:35:51 < day> i was just dreaming of an electricity truck. :P
2018-07-06T01:36:29 < zyp> anyway, 60 minutes * 2.5 NOK / 42 kW comes out to around 3.6 NOK/kWh, that's less than I remembered
2018-07-06T01:37:01 < zyp> on the other hand, wall electricity is less than 1 NOK/kWh
2018-07-06T01:37:14 < day> yeah i suspect it will be more expensive here~
2018-07-06T01:37:41 < day> we dont have your green energy. but our political parties are even greener :^)
2018-07-06T01:37:51 < zyp> I used to calculate with 0.7 NOK/kWh, then prices went up last winter, so I usually just go with 1 NOK/kWh now
2018-07-06T01:40:00 < zyp> either way, the way it works out is that fast charging is cheaper than gasoline for a comparable car per km driven, and home charging is a couple of times cheaper than that again
2018-07-06T01:40:35 < day> and the maintainance should be minimal compared to an ICE car, right?
2018-07-06T01:40:55 < day> i mean whats a million km for an electric engine
2018-07-06T01:41:12 < zyp> yeah, people tend to joke that the largest service point is replacing the cabin air filter :)
2018-07-06T01:42:41 < zyp> in reality, I think the largest regular service it's supposed to have is replacing the brake fluid
2018-07-06T01:43:36 < zyp> it's kinda fun to think about gas savings
2018-07-06T01:43:48 < day> any idea how long the batteries keep an acceptable capacity?
2018-07-06T01:44:05 < zyp> compared to my old car, I'm estimating I'm saving like 1 NOK/km
2018-07-06T01:44:06 < day> people seem to buy 200k km ecars without hesitation
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2018-07-06T01:44:37 < zyp> and with 50k driven, that should translate to 50k saved
2018-07-06T01:45:22 < day> o0 somehow i doubt i even paid 50k for 50k km
2018-07-06T01:45:35 < zyp> how much is a liter of gasoline there?
2018-07-06T01:45:45 < day> 1.4eur ish
2018-07-06T01:45:57 < zyp> and what mileage do you get?
2018-07-06T01:46:01 < day> i need 8/100km
2018-07-06T01:46:31 < Steffanx> Lol. Thats baaad
2018-07-06T01:46:48 < day> hey my car has 1.4l and 75hp D: it is thirsty
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2018-07-06T01:47:10 < zyp> 1.4 * 8 / 100 * 50000 is 5600 EUR
2018-07-06T01:47:13 < Steffanx> And your right foot is heavy uh? ;)
2018-07-06T01:47:27 < day> well you kinda have to drive it binary :P
2018-07-06T01:47:56 < day> zyp: yeah thats nowhere near 50k eur
2018-07-06T01:48:06 < day> ah wait nok
2018-07-06T01:48:06 < zyp> 50k NOK, i.e. 5k EUR
2018-07-06T01:48:09 < day> sorry
2018-07-06T01:48:30 < day> i was a little shocked. i thought i dropped 50grand on driving 50k km :D
2018-07-06T01:48:36 < zyp> I think my old car had worse consumption, and gas is a little bit more here
2018-07-06T01:48:45 < day> even more? wow
2018-07-06T01:49:12 < zyp> well, I'm not keeping track, but it's at 16 NOK/l sometimes at least
2018-07-06T01:49:48 < day> i probably had another 500eur of repairs done over the last 80k km which wouldnt have happened on an ecar
2018-07-06T01:51:59 < zyp> but yeah, the economical aspect is part of why I decided to go for an egolf once I had decided I wanted to go for a brand new car :)
2018-07-06T01:52:59 < zyp> and the instant torque makes it fun to drive
2018-07-06T01:53:27 < day> if i were to buy an ecar it would certainly be an egolf. simply looks like the best down to earth package out there
2018-07-06T01:54:22 < zyp> I'm not sure I would have bought it today
2018-07-06T01:54:24 < day> or to put it in southpark terms, it's one of the few smug free ecars
2018-07-06T01:54:47 < stvn> The smug effect
2018-07-06T01:54:52 < zyp> don't get me wrong, I love the car and I don't regret my choice, I believe it was the best EV available at the time
2018-07-06T01:55:01 < day> which one owuld you prefer today?
2018-07-06T01:55:28 < zyp> I'm not sure, I haven't looked into all the options, but there's a lot more of them now
2018-07-06T01:55:43 < stvn> I’m making one called the SMuG
2018-07-06T01:55:47 < stvn> ;)
2018-07-06T01:55:58 < zyp> the hyundai ioniq is a pretty strong contender
2018-07-06T01:56:06 < stvn> Nah we can’t buy ev here
2018-07-06T01:56:37 < day> zyp: looks better than the smug'ish name 'unique' suggested :P
2018-07-06T01:57:27 < day> but i think the golf design will age MUCH better
2018-07-06T01:57:32 < zyp> I'm biased to my car, but in an objective sense I'd have to say the ioniq looks at least equally good, for less money
2018-07-06T01:58:43 < day> dunno. the golf design is a long term thing. they still look similar to older modells (which still look pretty good). ive more trust in the vw design.
2018-07-06T01:58:46 < zyp> one of my friends got a hyundai kona on order now, which also sounds pretty decent, but I don't know much about it yet, ioniq I've actually driven
2018-07-06T01:59:34 < zyp> looks are not the top priority to me, I spend more time sitting inside the car than standing on the outside looking at it
2018-07-06T02:00:00 < day> not an suv fan after driving a ford kuga. that thing was dirt slow. i couldnt even get passed 200 easily and the car had 160+hp. that cant be good on batteries
2018-07-06T02:00:11 < zyp> hehe
2018-07-06T02:00:28 < zyp> my egolf is capped at 145 :p
2018-07-06T02:00:57 < zyp> doesn't matter much as we don't have autobahn in norway
2018-07-06T02:01:00 < day> i dont get why though. these ecars all have insane power numbers. why are they speed capped so low?
2018-07-06T02:01:22 < day> like a bmw i3 has 170hp
2018-07-06T02:01:38 < day> and it is limited to 160km/h
2018-07-06T02:01:49 < zyp> probably because air resistance at those speeds eats range like crazy
2018-07-06T02:02:28 < day> but why do they even put in 170hp if they dont allow you to use it? i dont need 170hp to accelerate to 100km/h
2018-07-06T02:03:14 < zyp> pretty convenient when overtaking
2018-07-06T02:04:43 < day> still 170hp is crazy much for convenience :/ maybe the price between a 100hp and a 170hp motor isn't much different.
2018-07-06T02:04:57 < zyp> can't speak for the i3, my car only has 116hp
2018-07-06T02:05:21 < day> still my 1.4l 75hp golf is faster than your 116hp one. that is just odd
2018-07-06T02:05:27 < zyp> which is still plenty since they are all available right away
2018-07-06T02:05:34 < day> yeah
2018-07-06T02:06:23 < zyp> but not so much that I don't floor it all the time
2018-07-06T02:06:31 < zyp> speaking of that
2018-07-06T02:07:07 < zyp> I took my wife's car (also electric; peugeot ion) to the store earlier tonight
2018-07-06T02:07:45 < Laurenceb__> today I dismantled my maya44 usb+
2018-07-06T02:08:00 < zyp> I don't drive it very often, the difference between 67hp and 116hp was almost surprisingly noticeable :p
2018-07-06T02:08:00 < Laurenceb__> its AC97 audio ic and tusb3200a internally
2018-07-06T02:08:10 < day>  hehe
2018-07-06T02:08:44 < Laurenceb__> cant see where the 50ms delay comes from :S
2018-07-06T02:08:57 < zyp> 50ms worth of buffering
2018-07-06T02:09:04 < zyp> where else?
2018-07-06T02:09:25 < Laurenceb__> well I cant see how its on the pc
2018-07-06T02:09:35 < Laurenceb__> because its 50ms compared to my custom sensors
2018-07-06T02:10:10 < Laurenceb__> unless alsa does something weird thats device dependent
2018-07-06T02:10:26 < Laurenceb__> AC97 is max 1ms buffering
2018-07-06T02:10:51 < day> i hope kawasaki/ yamaha/ etc. start building some r6/ r1 e modells soon. not sure what they are waiting for
2018-07-06T02:11:25 < zyp> plug it into a beagle 480, synchronize the signal you feed in with one of the digital inputs on the beagle, compare the timing of the digital input with the captured audio on the beagle
2018-07-06T02:11:34 < zyp> then you'll know if it happens on the device or the host
2018-07-06T02:12:20 < Laurenceb__> interesting plan, thanks
2018-07-06T02:12:44 < zyp> by the way, did you get a beagle yet?
2018-07-06T02:12:58 < Laurenceb__> ok tusb3200a only has 1832bytes/endpoint
2018-07-06T02:13:01 < Laurenceb__> nope :P
2018-07-06T02:13:09 < zyp> about time :p
2018-07-06T02:13:33 < srk> it is possible to download files from csdn.net or do I have to pay/register?
2018-07-06T02:14:00 < Laurenceb__> I could do it with usbmon
2018-07-06T02:14:16 < Laurenceb__> gpio from custom sensor into line in
2018-07-06T02:14:23 < zyp> that also works
2018-07-06T02:15:52 < Laurenceb__> looks like absolute worst case is 6ms
2018-07-06T02:16:03 < srk> CSDN_Downloader.. hmm
2018-07-06T02:16:30 < Laurenceb__> *theoretical worst case
2018-07-06T02:28:09 < BrainDamage> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Global-Drone-Mini-Flying-Fidget-Spinner-Autism-Anxiety-Stress-Release-Toy-Micro-Flying-Spinning-Funny-Gift/32889353991.html
2018-07-06T02:37:39 < stvn> https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/breaking-two-reported-dead-in-shooting/news-story/3869ca91f04e7777967c7a15ec06d42d
2018-07-06T02:37:44 < stvn> good morning australia
2018-07-06T02:38:08  * stvn buys 100 autism spinners
2018-07-06T02:44:37 < jadew> lol BrainDamage
2018-07-06T02:47:15 < jadew> stvn, do they know why he did it?
2018-07-06T02:48:41 < jadew> it's tragic, but I think I've said this before, I think first-degree relatives should be able to kill each other with no legal repercursions
2018-07-06T02:49:30 < jadew> makes sense to allow that to happen, from an evolutionary perspective
2018-07-06T02:50:08 < stvn> lel
2018-07-06T02:50:24 < stvn> why he did it... for the lulz clearly...
2018-07-06T02:50:51 < jadew> I've always wondered about these cases
2018-07-06T02:51:07 < jadew> when they don't go for the spuse
2018-07-06T02:51:12 < jadew> *spouse
2018-07-06T02:51:37 < stvn> North Richmond safe injecting centre opens after mass overdose deaths
2018-07-06T02:51:43 < stvn> i did suggest adding cyanide to heroin
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2018-07-06T03:12:04 < ColdKeyboard> What do you guys use to log current consumption of your devices?
2018-07-06T03:12:32 < ColdKeyboard> I've tried this DataQ logger (https://www.dataq.com/products/di-245/) and it's fine but I guess I could use a better recommendation for this price range
2018-07-06T03:13:13 < ColdKeyboard> I'll be mostly measuring power consumption of IoT, low power devices so mostly uA and mA range, sometimes nA...
2018-07-06T03:13:19 < diamondman> A few days ago I asked here to see if anyone knew why in my stm32f427 using IAR would have the addresses 0xE0000000 to 0xE00FFFFF all hold 0xCD. The code worked under another IAR configuration. I found out that it was because for this configuration where it was not working right, I was running on the simulator and not real hardware. So let that be a warning to people :) If you see system registers all holding 0xCDCDCDCD,
2018-07-06T03:13:20 < diamondman> maybe you are in the IAR simulator
2018-07-06T03:20:04 < Laurenceb__> damn x86 sucks
2018-07-06T03:20:23 < Laurenceb__> >spend ages rewriting FIR in SIMD
2018-07-06T03:20:30 < Laurenceb__> >its only 3 times faster
2018-07-06T03:21:59 < Laurenceb__> le amaze i7 is shit
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2018-07-06T03:28:39 < Laurenceb__> outperformed by basic dsp
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2018-07-06T03:31:06 < jadew> lmfao, we have an online shop here with 24/7 customer support
2018-07-06T03:31:16 < jadew> just called them to ask about my order (it's 3 am)
2018-07-06T03:31:34 < jadew> sounded like I woke that guy up
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2018-07-06T03:34:21 < stvn> lol jadew 
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2018-07-06T05:16:14 < stvn> いままでになかった概念を多々盛り込んで、21世紀のコネクタ製造システムに挑戦中です。
2018-07-06T05:20:51 < stvn> the japanese connector
2018-07-06T05:21:12 < srk> woot
2018-07-06T05:21:37 < srk> can anyone download stuff from csdn? :D .. https://download.csdn.net/download/sunymph/10277881
2018-07-06T05:21:57 < srk> looking for a bit less stripped sx1301 datasheet
2018-07-06T05:25:30 < stvn> let me try
2018-07-06T05:25:57 < stvn> jesus christ this is in some type of foreign language!
2018-07-06T05:27:01 < srk> :D
2018-07-06T05:27:23 < srk> I've tried with gtranslate and github but it didn't work
2018-07-06T05:27:37 < stvn> gah
2018-07-06T05:27:39 < srk> looks like you need csdn/weechat account or something
2018-07-06T05:27:47 < stvn> yeah something like that :/
2018-07-06T05:28:07 < srk> maybe dongs? 
2018-07-06T05:28:15 < stvn> that's what i was thinking
2018-07-06T05:28:56 < srk> I've managed to scrape some parts of that from baidu but the full pdf would be better
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2018-07-06T05:39:14 < stvn> so this is a device my semtech?
2018-07-06T05:39:25 < stvn> If so have you tried emailing them for more dataz?
2018-07-06T05:40:01 < stvn> *by
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2018-07-06T06:05:40 < dongs> srk, ive been meaning to get chinagirl to buy me a vip card for there its only like 30 bucks for a year
2018-07-06T06:10:28 < upgrdman> bike pros: when you go on long rides (2-3 hours) do your hands get numb? gloves help?
2018-07-06T06:10:48 < srk> stvn: they say they don't release register details on purpose
2018-07-06T06:10:50 < srk> like please
2018-07-06T06:11:07 < stvn> the dogs
2018-07-06T06:11:10 < srk> upgrdman: changing positions helps, side bars
2018-07-06T06:11:19 < upgrdman> hmm
2018-07-06T06:12:37 < srk> bar ends, hmm
2018-07-06T06:12:50 < srk> that's how they are called :D
2018-07-06T06:13:55 < srk> https://www.cyclescheme.co.uk/community/round-ups/round-up-grips-and-bar-ends
2018-07-06T06:14:16 < srk> good writeup at start
2018-07-06T06:18:12 < dongs> riding no hands definitely helps
2018-07-06T06:18:19 < dongs> thats what i do
2018-07-06T06:18:36 < upgrdman> k
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2018-07-06T06:33:22 < stvn> lolwtf
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2018-07-06T08:29:22 < R0b0t1> Tape
2018-07-06T08:31:12 < R0b0t1> I wonder how I always end scrolled up
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2018-07-06T10:56:25 < c10ud> ewww
2018-07-06T10:56:38 < c10ud> why the fuck jlcpcb isn't allowing me to put my VAT id 
2018-07-06T10:56:43 < c10ud> in the address
2018-07-06T10:56:56 < c10ud> their companion website does
2018-07-06T10:57:01 < c10ud> (lcsc)
2018-07-06T11:03:30 < stvn> blow the dogs out of the water
2018-07-06T11:06:51 < Steffanx> Stvn and his dog fetish
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2018-07-06T11:44:14 < stvn> hi mate
2018-07-06T11:45:01 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYFH_bXM5gU
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2018-07-06T12:27:09 < Laurenceb__> muh
2018-07-06T12:27:56 < stvn> muh
2018-07-06T12:32:09 < kakimir> what is the cycle of loop in english?
2018-07-06T12:32:13 < kakimir> pass?
2018-07-06T12:32:21 < kakimir> I need to print mainloop_counter
2018-07-06T12:32:37 < Laurenceb__> nobody knows where Terry is
2018-07-06T12:32:49 < kakimir> aliens.
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2018-07-06T14:17:37 < jadew> anyone aware of some dedicated software that does thermal analysis on a PCB?
2018-07-06T14:18:51 < jadew> by dedicated I mean not a $20k EDA tool
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2018-07-06T14:22:55 < jpa-> what kind of thermal analysis? heat distribution from a hot running part?
2018-07-06T14:23:05 < jadew> jpa-, yeah
2018-07-06T14:23:18 < karlp> jadew: dedicated software for thermal analysis _is_ the eda tools.
2018-07-06T14:23:27 < karlp> there's third party companies that provide it as plugins for your eda tools
2018-07-06T14:24:01 < jpa-> https://forum.kicad.info/t/kicad-stepup-and-fem-thermo-mechanical-analysis/3828    kicad does it ;)
2018-07-06T14:24:15 < jpa-> (or freecad, rather)
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2018-07-06T14:25:05 < jadew> jpa-, interesting
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2018-07-06T15:55:38 < jadew> https://www.ttiinc.com/content/ttiinc/en/resources/marketeye/categories/passives/me-zogbi-20180302.html
2018-07-06T15:55:54 < jadew> they've become insanely expensive
2018-07-06T15:55:56 < jadew> wtf...
2018-07-06T15:56:57 < zyp> old news
2018-07-06T15:57:15 < jadew> yeah, but their price keeps growing
2018-07-06T15:58:14 < karlp> well, duh, people still want them, and all the people who weren't paying attention are now in that pile too
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2018-07-06T15:59:09 < jpa-> price rise doesn't matter that much IMO, not being able to get any is worse
2018-07-06T15:59:43 < zyp> that's two sides of the same issue
2018-07-06T15:59:59 < zyp> you're always able to get some if you just pay enough
2018-07-06T16:00:37 < jpa-> and wait long enough
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2018-07-06T16:03:17 < jadew> I can't find info on what caused it
2018-07-06T16:03:25 < jadew> is it a shortage in materials?
2018-07-06T16:03:46 < jpa-> manufacturing capability, mostly
2018-07-06T16:03:57 < jadew> that smells like bullshit
2018-07-06T16:03:58 < jpa-> for resistors it is also ruthenium shortage
2018-07-06T16:04:23 < jadew> suddenly everyone needs so much more capacitors and resistors?
2018-07-06T16:04:39 < kakimir> buttcoins
2018-07-06T16:04:58 < jpa-> coming out of recession does such things
2018-07-06T16:05:07 < jpa-> but it is a sum of many things
2018-07-06T16:05:33 < kakimir> money solves anything
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2018-07-06T16:13:57 < Steffanx> It doesnt solve your bad music taste :P
2018-07-06T16:14:17 < Steffanx> Thwt cant be solves
2018-07-06T16:14:20 < kakimir> Robert Miles - Children
2018-07-06T16:14:25 < Steffanx> Hi kakimir 
2018-07-06T16:14:31 < kakimir> playing atm.
2018-07-06T16:14:39 < Steffanx> :)
2018-07-06T16:14:43 < kakimir> yes hello Stef
2018-07-06T16:17:15 < Thorn> oh look lcsc has 10KΩ 0603 for $9/reel
2018-07-06T16:17:22 < Thorn> big improvement
2018-07-06T16:17:31 < Thorn> https://lcsc.com/product-detail/Chip-Resistor-Surface-Mount_10KR-103-5_C103210.html
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2018-07-06T16:55:46 < Adluc> Thorn: are there chinese components trustworthy?
2018-07-06T16:56:20 < karlp> that's a naiive question 
2018-07-06T16:57:20 < Adluc> I buy lots of stuff from china, except for components which cannot be checked on first sight, like resistors, so I resisted from buy them so far
2018-07-06T16:57:22 < Sadale> I'm a Chinese individual. I guess I'm trustworthy :P
2018-07-06T16:57:47 < Sadale> anyway, I have been buying electronic stuffs from taobao (local version of aliexpress). so far so good.
2018-07-06T16:58:25 < Sadale> It may not be a good idea to use them for production. But it's more than enough for hobby use.
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2018-07-06T17:01:04 < srk> Sadale: do you have CSDN account? :D
2018-07-06T17:01:10 < Sadale> no, unfortunately :(
2018-07-06T17:01:23 < Adluc> CSDN?
2018-07-06T17:01:24 < Sadale> To be precise I'm in Hong Kong.
2018-07-06T17:01:38 < Sadale> It's an IT community of China.
2018-07-06T17:02:14 < Sadale> apparently I need wechat or something to register there. So I can't get an account that easily :(
2018-07-06T17:02:21 < Sadale> I'm too lazy to install that app :P
2018-07-06T17:02:57 < srk> yeah
2018-07-06T17:03:00 < srk> looks scary
2018-07-06T17:03:35 < Thorn> resist the resistor! #trump2020 #maga
2018-07-06T17:03:45 < Sadale> I'm reluctant to install any sort of app.
2018-07-06T17:03:56 < Sadale> I'm not against wechat specifically.
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2018-07-06T17:11:11 < Adluc> and where do you guys buy passives for production? do you use distributors such as mouser or buying directly? (in case of reel)
2018-07-06T17:12:46 < Sadale> sorry. I dont have much idea. :(
2018-07-06T17:13:13 < karlp> inhouse protos, digi/mouser, production we leave to the contract assemblers to source.
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2018-07-06T17:21:09 < jadew> I only buy shit I can check from china
2018-07-06T17:21:47 < jadew> then if you find a good supplier you stick with it
2018-07-06T17:22:17 < jadew> and even then you have to check on each order to make sure you got what you bought
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2018-07-06T18:09:12 < karlp> heh, 30k quote for UL listing :)
2018-07-06T18:12:11 < kakimir> special cases on top of special cases
2018-07-06T18:12:17 < kakimir> I kind of like it
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2018-07-06T18:18:11 < kakimir> it feels like an adventure
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2018-07-06T18:20:24 < jadew> karlp, what do they do for those 30k?
2018-07-06T18:22:52 < dekar> jadew, we do CSA, which seems a bit more reasonable.
2018-07-06T18:22:59 < dekar> karlp, 
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2018-07-06T18:47:03 < karlp> dekar: yeah, I'm strongly for using one of the other NRTLs.
2018-07-06T18:47:05 < karlp> fuck UL
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2018-07-06T21:36:09 < Hamilton> any belgium fan here?
2018-07-06T21:39:18 < jadew> I'm guessing not a lot of sports fans in here
2018-07-06T21:39:24 < mitrax_> no, but there seem to be a bunch down the street at the local pub, i can hear them yelling
2018-07-06T21:39:35 < mitrax_> or ... mooing i should say
2018-07-06T21:41:05 < Hamilton> :)
2018-07-06T21:42:47 < Steffanx> How sad were you after iran was your mr Hamilton?
2018-07-06T21:43:04 < mitrax_> though i must say, nuisance wise it doesn't beat the firecrackers some retards tossed around two hours ago when france won
2018-07-06T21:43:06 < Hamilton> Steffanx, after what?
2018-07-06T21:43:26 < Hamilton> You mean the world cup?
2018-07-06T21:43:36 < vampi-the-frog> try firecrackers + shouting allahu akbar
2018-07-06T21:43:45 < Hamilton> I'm not that much of sports fan either
2018-07-06T21:43:57 < Hamilton> I'm just bored as hell and wanted to chat about something
2018-07-06T21:44:13 < vampi-the-frog> cool so what are you wearing
2018-07-06T21:44:20 < Hamilton> lol
2018-07-06T21:44:37 < mitrax_> ahahah
2018-07-06T21:44:51 < Thorn> a/s/l
2018-07-06T21:45:01 < Hamilton> 90's vibe intensifies
2018-07-06T21:45:14  * mitrax_ cue the music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydrtF45-y-g&t=0m21s
2018-07-06T21:45:59 < Steffanx> vampi-the-frog when did you become like this? First you hated us for this. Or was it like: when you cant beat them, join them?
2018-07-06T21:46:49  * Hamilton wonders about "this"
2018-07-06T21:46:57 < vampi-the-frog> Steffanx: please stay on topic
2018-07-06T21:46:59 < Steffanx> this = the way he acts lately.
2018-07-06T21:49:25 < vampi-the-frog> I'm getting a Line 6 Pod PRO
2018-07-06T21:49:30 < vampi-the-frog> with a huge pedal board
2018-07-06T21:49:37 < vampi-the-frog> with like 8 switches and 2 pedals
2018-07-06T21:49:50 < vampi-the-frog> nice addition for my rack
2018-07-06T21:49:52 < Steffanx> You play guitar?
2018-07-06T21:49:56 < vampi-the-frog> yeah
2018-07-06T21:50:18 < Steffanx> Also in a band and stuff or .. just vampi-the-frog?
2018-07-06T21:50:27 < vampi-the-frog> nah just whenever I feel likeit
2018-07-06T21:50:58 < vampi-the-frog> https://soundcloud.com/vampirefrog
2018-07-06T21:53:54 < Hamilton> vampi-the-frog, You avatar in there, wasn't it called tutleNinja or something?
2018-07-06T21:54:11 < vampi-the-frog> it's Michelangelo from the ninja turtles
2018-07-06T21:54:22 < Hamilton> so much for fro
2018-07-06T21:54:27 < Hamilton> *frog
2018-07-06T21:54:29 < vampi-the-frog> I think it's the one with nunchucks
2018-07-06T21:54:43 < vampi-the-frog> in my language frog and turtle have similar names
2018-07-06T21:54:47 < Hamilton> oh
2018-07-06T21:55:22 < vampi-the-frog> this one I made with a Korg 01/Wfd https://soundcloud.com/vampirefrog/synth6
2018-07-06T21:55:26 < Hamilton> Do family names also comes before first names in Romanian? like Hungrian?
2018-07-06T21:55:44 < vampi-the-frog> depends
2018-07-06T21:55:54 < vampi-the-frog> in official records it's family name then given name
2018-07-06T21:56:16 < vampi-the-frog> if you're an artist or personality, it's given name then family name
2018-07-06T21:56:28 < vampi-the-frog> are you from hungary?
2018-07-06T21:56:56 < Hamilton> No...I guess everyone knows where I'm from
2018-07-06T21:57:36 < Hamilton> It is often said, "How do you know someone is a vegi?" He himself tells you this...also the same for iranians
2018-07-06T21:58:05 < Steffanx> ^ sounds true, very true.
2018-07-06T21:58:22 < Hamilton> #stm32 wise words
2018-07-06T21:58:27 < vampi-the-frog> so you're from Hamilton?
2018-07-06T21:59:09 < Hamilton> vampi-the-frog, I chose the nick because of Hamilton the Scottish mathematician...I'm from Iran
2018-07-06T21:59:19 < vampi-the-frog> so you're from Scotland?
2018-07-06T21:59:26 < Steffanx> I ran.
2018-07-06T21:59:37 < vampi-the-frog> that's healthy
2018-07-06T21:59:41 < Hamilton> I'm starting to understand what Steffanx was talking about
2018-07-06T22:00:08 < vampi-the-frog> well if you ever visit Romania, contact me, we'll throw firecrackers in the street and shout allahu akbar
2018-07-06T22:00:28 < Steffanx> will you grow a tiny beard first vampi-the-frog
2018-07-06T22:00:37 < vampi-the-frog> I'll wear a hijab
2018-07-06T22:00:38 < Thorn> don't forget towels
2018-07-06T22:00:40 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk5bQxDl8EK/
2018-07-06T22:00:40 < vampi-the-frog> and no underwear
2018-07-06T22:00:41 < Hamilton> A romanian with "vampire" attached to his IRC nick...I think I'll pass
2018-07-06T22:01:14 < Hamilton> Thorn is the new laurencb confirmed?
2018-07-06T22:02:21 < Steffanx> Thorn has a long way to go
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2018-07-06T22:27:07 < Thorn> Thailand street webcam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydZBBAPE_mw
2018-07-06T22:30:12 < Hamilton> Thorn, You know what? I have to fire up me VPN to check dat link
2018-07-06T22:30:25 < Hamilton> But I'm playing a game
2018-07-06T22:30:33 < Hamilton> And it messes with that game
2018-07-06T22:30:49 < Thorn> I don't need a vpn for youtube yet (knock on wood)
2018-07-06T22:31:12 < Hamilton> Ah you have that knock on wood concept as well?
2018-07-06T22:31:19 < Hamilton> Where r u from? 
2018-07-06T22:32:02 < Thorn> the land of Roskomnadzor
2018-07-06T22:33:46 < Hamilton> Thorn, But you don't have Telegram yeah?
2018-07-06T22:33:54 < Hamilton> here as well
2018-07-06T22:34:24 < Thorn> it mostly works even without vpn
2018-07-06T22:34:53 < Hamilton> *evil eye intensifies*
2018-07-06T22:45:16 < mitrax_> "me fuck you long time"
2018-07-06T22:45:41 < Thorn> his wife was not amused
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2018-07-06T23:16:30 < bitmask> koh samui huh, Isnt that a strain of cubensis?
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2018-07-06T23:49:17 < Steffanx> You would know better than me bitmask
2018-07-06T23:49:32 < bitmask> :)
2018-07-06T23:49:55 < bitmask> ,*-O
2018-07-06T23:51:01 < kakimir> http://ollydbg.de/Paperbak/
2018-07-06T23:53:18 < BrainDamage> I took paper backups of crypto keys by printing them
2018-07-06T23:53:36 < BrainDamage> I also took backups of shit by printing barcodes
2018-07-06T23:53:37 < kakimir> in acsii?
2018-07-06T23:53:40 < BrainDamage> yes
2018-07-06T23:53:47 < kakimir> smart smart
2018-07-06T23:54:01 < sync> :D BrainDamage 
2018-07-06T23:54:04 < sync> I did the same
2018-07-06T23:54:14 < BrainDamage> I trust a piece of paper on my desk much more than a file in my pc
2018-07-06T23:55:07 < kakimir> keys are convinient size too
2018-07-06T23:56:23 < sync> I also archived some eeprom binary in paper that way
2018-07-06T23:56:37 < Steffanx> eeprom binary.. wut?
2018-07-06T23:56:44 < sync> as I don't trust the people in the university to keep track of a file
2018-07-06T23:56:55 < sync> well, the contents of an eeprom Steffanx
2018-07-06T23:56:56 < Thorn> by removing the chip and wrapping it in paper?
2018-07-06T23:57:03 < Steffanx> Yes, i understand sync. but still.. wut
2018-07-06T23:57:10 < sync> yes
2018-07-06T23:57:14 < sync> they lost the file before
2018-07-06T23:57:17 < sync> within a yeara
2018-07-06T23:57:26 < Steffanx> So next time you'll give them a paper version?
2018-07-06T23:57:29 < sync> no
2018-07-06T23:57:31 < Steffanx> awh
2018-07-06T23:57:31 < sync> it is in the device
2018-07-06T23:57:39 < sync> with a manual on how to do it
2018-07-06T23:58:09 < sync> it's a small stack of A4 sheets with datamatrix codes
2018-07-06T23:59:00 < Steffanx> Whats the advantage over a usb drive? CD? or whatever?
2018-07-06T23:59:08 < Steffanx> tape.
2018-07-06T23:59:22 < BrainDamage> that you'll find a reader for long time
2018-07-06T23:59:32 < BrainDamage> not to mention, the data won't fuck itself up as easily
2018-07-06T23:59:53 < BrainDamage> cdroms will die after a decade or so
--- Day changed Sat Jul 07 2018
2018-07-07T00:00:51 < BrainDamage> ( before someone starts spouting that they have a cd that leasted more than a decade, a decade is just the mean, the variance is rather large )
2018-07-07T00:01:22 < BrainDamage> eg some CDs of the ps1 I owned started to develop pitting
2018-07-07T00:03:25 < Steffanx> ok, im not convinced though P
2018-07-07T00:03:26 < Steffanx> :P
2018-07-07T00:03:47 < BrainDamage> I'm not trying to get everyone on board, I'm not a preacher
2018-07-07T00:04:00 < Ultrasauce> i only trust data carved into 8 foot tall granite base64 characters
2018-07-07T00:04:02 < BrainDamage> mayybe if I were selling a backup business
2018-07-07T00:04:20 < BrainDamage> just saying that there's plenty valid usercases for printing shit
2018-07-07T00:04:39 < BrainDamage> I did recover my gpg key with that, something I tought it'd be gone
2018-07-07T00:05:37 < Steffanx> I understand some usecases, but i was just wondering about the eeprom one.
2018-07-07T00:05:44 < Steffanx> -but
2018-07-07T00:06:27 < BrainDamage> oh, that, ¯\_( ͡°⌣ ͡°)_/¯ 
2018-07-07T00:06:52 < BrainDamage> the main problem of printing shit is the data density
2018-07-07T00:07:03 < BrainDamage> going beyond few kbits is a pain
2018-07-07T00:08:00 < Steffanx> When you have the time to generate the data you probably have to time to retrieve it as well. As somehow you deemed it important.
2018-07-07T00:08:54 < Steffanx> the data = the archive with the data
2018-07-07T00:08:54 < kakimir> BrainDamage: well see the link I gave
2018-07-07T00:09:05 < BrainDamage> adding encryption is a pain
2018-07-07T00:09:16 < BrainDamage> because then you need to backup the key as well
2018-07-07T00:09:20 < kakimir> packed data claimed 3M per A4
2018-07-07T00:09:29 < kakimir> 3megs
2018-07-07T00:09:48 < BrainDamage> that 3MB is packed data
2018-07-07T00:10:08 < BrainDamage> if you zip things, you can achieve 1-2 orders of magnitude more data with text
2018-07-07T00:10:09 < kakimir> unpacked 500 000 bytes per A4
2018-07-07T00:10:23 < BrainDamage> esp symmetrical data like programming languages
2018-07-07T00:11:01 < BrainDamage> but I don't want zip shit if I'm backing up
2018-07-07T00:11:07 < BrainDamage> I want easy to recover
2018-07-07T00:11:21 < Steffanx> dongs must like the irony in the title: "Olly, the author of OllyDbg, presents his new open source joke:"
2018-07-07T00:11:40 < Steffanx> */title/text/
2018-07-07T00:14:01 < kakimir> now when you have data on paper - please make filesystem on paper
2018-07-07T00:14:30 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stZco6yI5zo
2018-07-07T00:15:04 < Steffanx> Have plans to move to germany Thorn?
2018-07-07T00:15:21 < BrainDamage> better start getting used to shit porn
2018-07-07T00:15:44 < Steffanx> Are germans into that?
2018-07-07T00:16:04 < BrainDamage> well, not scat, but poorly made one, yes
2018-07-07T00:16:35 < Steffanx> The dutch stuff isnt much better. You know the famous "Wuuut no munny"-meme right?
2018-07-07T00:20:28 < kakimir> friend is talking always about movie The Disaster Artist
2018-07-07T00:20:34 < kakimir> is it any good
2018-07-07T00:20:55 < kakimir> I watched some clips and I found it weird instantly
2018-07-07T00:21:07 < kakimir> I think it has had pretty good ratings
2018-07-07T00:21:15 < Steffanx> no clue
2018-07-07T00:22:49 < Steffanx> Biography, Comedy, Drama .. not a combination i tend to like
2018-07-07T00:23:04 < kakimir> ye
2018-07-07T00:24:09 < BrainDamage> biography is a dealbreaker to me
2018-07-07T00:25:06 < kakimir> same
2018-07-07T00:25:38 < Steffanx> Watched Game Night a few weeks ago, also comedy, wasnt too bad imho.
2018-07-07T00:30:07 < kakimir> https://imgur.com/a/PxfvgeR friends previa
2018-07-07T00:34:10 < kakimir> plenty of room for electrification
2018-07-07T00:34:30 < kakimir> and almost no rules to modifications because <=1992
2018-07-07T00:35:12 < Steffanx> And its  even more ugly than the nissan leaf, so win-win.
2018-07-07T00:35:57 < kakimir> yes
2018-07-07T00:36:18 < kakimir> he is going to stack batteries inside and form a table in place of certer row of seats
2018-07-07T00:36:25 < kakimir> some kind of rack
2018-07-07T00:36:37 < kakimir> tesla modules
2018-07-07T00:37:24 < day> no issues there to get that street legal?
2018-07-07T00:38:30 < kakimir> he just needs to follow ev regulations
2018-07-07T00:38:40 < kakimir> some high voltage stuff
2018-07-07T00:38:57 < kakimir> complete isolation and orange cables etc.
2018-07-07T00:39:04 < day> is he going to remove the motor?
2018-07-07T00:39:12 < kakimir> it has been already removed
2018-07-07T00:39:29 < kakimir> leaf motor is in the photos connected to original gearbox
2018-07-07T00:39:47 < kakimir> so it will definitelly have some acceleration for lights
2018-07-07T00:39:53 < day> that changes the whole structural integrity of the car. im amazed your safety regulations dont care about that 
2018-07-07T00:40:33 < kakimir> I don't think it will
2018-07-07T00:40:49 < Steffanx> kakimir&co live in the middle of nowhere, no one cares :P
2018-07-07T00:40:55 < day> thats a lot of 'meat' thats not there when you drive into a wall
2018-07-07T00:41:08 < kakimir> yes
2018-07-07T00:41:10 < kakimir> even better
2018-07-07T00:41:18 < Steffanx> The nearest charing point is probably too far away.
2018-07-07T00:41:19 < kakimir> you don't know your shiet
2018-07-07T00:41:23 < Steffanx> *charging.
2018-07-07T00:42:11 < kakimir> when you want middle engine, rwd inexpensive jap car - previa
2018-07-07T00:42:17 < kakimir> it is middle engine
2018-07-07T00:43:00 < Steffanx> Lets do a dummy test when it's done kakimir. I heard you are a excellent dummy.
2018-07-07T00:43:36 < kakimir> professional crash test pilot / driver
2018-07-07T00:44:20 < kakimir> I mean back in 1992 there was like vans you could almost kick front bumpper from inside
2018-07-07T00:45:29 < kakimir> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/1999_Toyota_HiAce_%28RZH103R%29_van_%2824567060179%29.jpg
2018-07-07T00:45:41 < kakimir> in japan they still use this type of model
2018-07-07T00:45:49 < kakimir> and build more of them
2018-07-07T00:46:07 < day> hm looks like you can do the conversions in germany as well
2018-07-07T00:46:09 < Steffanx> anyway im with day. Im not convinced its better
2018-07-07T00:46:20 < Steffanx> im convinced when you show me. :P
2018-07-07T00:46:48 < karlp> hiace's are awesome
2018-07-07T00:46:56 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_HiAce#/media/File:2007_Toyota_Hiace_Van_LWB_KLH22.jpg this is the shit here
2018-07-07T00:47:23 < kakimir> nowdays they don't sell that anymore because polution regulations
2018-07-07T00:48:10 < Thorn> this is better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oclv-QjcmVk
2018-07-07T00:48:20 < BrainDamage> I want a 1990 fiat panda
2018-07-07T00:48:26 < BrainDamage> you can buy one with 1k bucks
2018-07-07T00:48:33 < BrainDamage> and then destroy it in a rally
2018-07-07T00:49:02 < BrainDamage> you could find used ones for 200-300 bucks
2018-07-07T00:49:14 < kakimir> some sick golf from 90s would be okay
2018-07-07T00:49:18 < kakimir> syncro
2018-07-07T00:50:14 < day> DE
2018-07-07T00:50:18 < day> wtf
2018-07-07T00:50:36 < day> https://youtu.be/TIZ5IEWk2iM?t=12m10s thats a nice build 
2018-07-07T00:51:03 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQJntE70PD0 what I mean when I say "sick golf"
2018-07-07T00:51:36 < kakimir> there is some sort of vw festival in germany once a year
2018-07-07T00:51:45 < kakimir> anyone know the name of it?
2018-07-07T00:51:53 < day> boba tuning did it
2018-07-07T00:52:02 < day> they did a golf 2 as well 
2018-07-07T00:52:28 < day> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fuj7x4Px6zQ
2018-07-07T00:53:52 < day> actually i think im wrong. theirs wasnt white
2018-07-07T00:54:16 < kakimir> name of the event was like something like something volkswerks
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2018-07-07T00:54:29 < kakimir> or something werks i think
2018-07-07T01:15:57 < kakimir> woertherseetreffen
2018-07-07T01:16:16 < kakimir> wöertherseetreffen
2018-07-07T01:19:08 < day> wörtherseetreffen :p
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2018-07-07T01:22:45 < Laurenceb__> muh gui
2018-07-07T01:22:53 < bitmask> printer is back up and running well, lets see how long this lasts
2018-07-07T01:23:06 < Laurenceb__> I found where the 50ms lag was from
2018-07-07T01:23:09 < Laurenceb__> it was alsa
2018-07-07T01:23:19 < upgrdman> Laurenceb__, you using qt, right? and qtcreator?
2018-07-07T01:23:26 < Laurenceb__> yes
2018-07-07T01:23:41 < upgrdman> how do you like qt and qtcreato
2018-07-07T01:23:55 < upgrdman> im tempted to switch from java to cpp
2018-07-07T01:23:56 < Laurenceb__> latest version of creator is approaching usability
2018-07-07T01:24:07 < Laurenceb__> but atm I'm still using gedit + terminal
2018-07-07T01:24:22 < Laurenceb__> if I can configure qtcreator to be less eyecancer I might use it
2018-07-07T01:24:47 < Laurenceb__> its improved a lot in the last few versions - I'm using the dev version
2018-07-07T01:25:04 < Laurenceb__> as far as qt goes its c++, so I'm still learning
2018-07-07T01:25:26 < Laurenceb__> but I find c++ way less cancerous than java, could just be my preference I dunno
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2018-07-07T01:27:15 < Thorn> the new $1395 Siglent SVA1015X 1.5GHz Spectrum and Vector Network Analyser https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxBcQDooAYs
2018-07-07T01:27:32 < Laurenceb__> nice
2018-07-07T01:27:57 < Laurenceb__> alsa seems to obey the polling interval I set exactly, but the buffering is weird
2018-07-07T01:28:07 < Laurenceb__> according to the docs, everything is a "hint"
2018-07-07T01:28:19 < day> lol the vna is in the name but an optional extra :D
2018-07-07T01:28:34 < Laurenceb__> my usb soundcard follows AC97 spec with 2ms long filtering kernel
2018-07-07T01:28:59 < Laurenceb__> so ~2ms lag in the soundcard itself
2018-07-07T01:29:30 < Laurenceb__> then alsa adds 2 polling intervals lag, or 2*25ms
2018-07-07T01:30:08 < Thorn> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dc/da/99/dcda995198172ab40d90bbf05beafe12.jpg
2018-07-07T01:30:29 < Laurenceb__>  *differential lag
2018-07-07T01:30:45 < Laurenceb__> between the stm32 devices and ac97 devices
2018-07-07T01:31:05 < Laurenceb__> suggesting its using different length buffers internally despite the same polling intervals
2018-07-07T01:32:03 < Laurenceb__> guess this is where the "hint" comes into play
2018-07-07T01:33:08 < Laurenceb__> easy enough to fix by probing the amount of buffered data
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2018-07-07T02:39:30 < stvn> the THAT CAVE BOYS
2018-07-07T02:39:46 < stvn> elon musk is going to build a hyperloop to rescue them
2018-07-07T02:40:15 < stvn> *THAI
2018-07-07T02:41:49 < day> they are installing a fibre cable. they get better internet in a cave than i have at home D:
2018-07-07T02:44:17 < Thorn> we'll be able to watch them drown on periscope, snapchat, instagram and youtube
2018-07-07T02:44:53 < day> eh? afaik drowning wasnt an option. worst scenario afaik was a few weeks of cave camping.
2018-07-07T02:45:18 < Thorn> I read rain is forecast and water levels in the cave will increase
2018-07-07T02:45:34 < stvn> i read they're all doomed (typical australian news)
2018-07-07T02:45:46 < Thorn> up to complete flooding
2018-07-07T02:46:01 < day> maybe im not up to date
2018-07-07T02:46:36 < stvn> i think the plot twist is the only adult in the cave is a pedo and lured all those children for some kind of rape party
2018-07-07T02:46:41 < day> i find it crazy though that a professional diver was unable to get through the passage alive
2018-07-07T02:47:32 < stvn> crazy it is
2018-07-07T02:53:58 < Laurenceb__> lunix is cancer
2018-07-07T02:54:14 < stvn> you don't say....
2018-07-07T02:54:24 < Laurenceb__> ><day> they are installing a fibre cable ><Thorn> we'll be able to watch them drown on periscope
2018-07-07T02:54:26 < Laurenceb__> my sides
2018-07-07T02:54:50 < Laurenceb__> lunix was a mistake
2018-07-07T02:54:57 < Laurenceb__> no documentation for alsa buffering
2018-07-07T02:55:13 < day> and on windows there is?
2018-07-07T02:55:23 < stvn> gnu slash linucks!!
2018-07-07T02:55:37 < day> why do you even care about this buffering thing?
2018-07-07T02:56:00 < stvn> let me interject and tell you about muh heritage mate
2018-07-07T02:56:06 < day> muh 50ms
2018-07-07T02:56:19 < day> gif them bek
2018-07-07T03:01:50 < stvn> the aussie weather
2018-07-07T03:03:57 < stvn> me farken melbourne mate, what a shit day
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2018-07-07T03:27:14 < Laurenceb__> day: cuz muh requirments
2018-07-07T03:27:26 < Laurenceb__>  <~1ms lag difference between devices
2018-07-07T03:37:02 < Laurenceb__> I'm sure windows audio is much easier to use, more well documented and reliable
2018-07-07T03:37:02 < Laurenceb__>  /s
2018-07-07T03:37:57 < BrainDamage> cave diving is risky as shit
2018-07-07T03:37:57 < BrainDamage> and really fucking scary
2018-07-07T03:38:01 < BrainDamage> you can lose your bearings so easily
2018-07-07T03:38:29 < BrainDamage> and before you ask, I do have a diving license
2018-07-07T03:39:33 < Thorn> btw NHK documentary about cave diving in russia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDgEcabRVJg
2018-07-07T03:39:54 < Laurenceb__> oi m8 u got ur swimming and walking loicences??
2018-07-07T03:40:06 < Laurenceb__> ur breathing loicense
2018-07-07T03:41:07 < Thorn> >I had at least 20 panic attacks watching this
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2018-07-07T04:34:25 < stvn> i want a loicense
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2018-07-07T06:21:16 < Sadale> hmm. This is the first time I've found such a detailed LCD specs. The vendor defined the rise time and fall time of the intensity of LCD pixel.
2018-07-07T06:21:51 < Sadale> It takes 250ms for the pixel to change. So it's 4 frame per second.
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2018-07-07T11:15:04 < stvn> cats and dogs
2018-07-07T11:23:44 < Steffanx> Is it raining?
2018-07-07T11:24:12 < stvn> ya
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2018-07-07T11:57:06 < Sadale> nya~ woof woof!
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2018-07-07T12:01:51 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7qTI6Njp9g music times
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2018-07-07T12:55:09 < Steffanx> Pump it kakimir 
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2018-07-07T13:30:02 < kakimir> is there parametric pcb layout generators?
2018-07-07T13:30:19 < kakimir> where everything is constraint
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2018-07-07T14:25:06 < Steffanx>  Auto router.
2018-07-07T14:37:11 < kakimir> it's more like a black box isn't it?
2018-07-07T14:39:44 < Steffanx> The sores of the controller of the  ipad panel display port thingy you sell isnt open, is it dongs?
2018-07-07T14:49:12 < dongs> Steffanx: no but it also doesnt do anything important. it just outputs pwm
2018-07-07T14:49:19 < dongs> its also messy as fuck
2018-07-07T14:49:36 < Steffanx> so if i really want something i better do it myself?
2018-07-07T14:49:49 < dongs> yeah
2018-07-07T14:49:55 < Steffanx> k
2018-07-07T14:50:07 < dongs> what do you want o do with it?
2018-07-07T14:51:37 < Steffanx> hmm, i wanted to turn off the backlight with a button press. But i see one board does that, while the other one does not.
2018-07-07T14:51:50 < dongs> uh, they all do that
2018-07-07T14:51:57 < Steffanx> might be because one runs the serial stuff, while the other one is what you shipped
2018-07-07T14:52:09 < dongs> serial shouldnt affect button usage
2018-07-07T14:52:12 < Steffanx> hmm
2018-07-07T14:52:24 < Steffanx> then i wonder why
2018-07-07T14:52:34 < dongs> busted button?
2018-07-07T14:53:35 < Steffanx> unlikely, it does do something when i press it when i power it on.
2018-07-07T14:53:45 < Steffanx> ( the rgb turns red )
2018-07-07T14:53:55 < dongs> when its red backlight is definitely off
2018-07-07T14:53:59 < dongs> thats the point
2018-07-07T14:54:25 < dongs> one more press turns it on again, or 2 quick presses completely turn everything off (including disconnect from dp)... i think.
2018-07-07T14:54:33 < Steffanx> Yes, but it only does that when i press the button while plugging in some usb cable
2018-07-07T14:54:44 < Steffanx> nah, ill put the original fw back on
2018-07-07T15:01:10 < Steffanx> hmm weird. all works like a charm again.
2018-07-07T15:01:11 < Steffanx> whateve.r
2018-07-07T15:01:18 < Steffanx> ty dongs :P
2018-07-07T15:19:45 < Steffanx> seems i busted the fw somehow last time i played around with the board.
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2018-07-07T15:33:58 < Laurenceb__> muh polling interval
2018-07-07T15:34:00 < Laurenceb__> alsa sucks
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2018-07-07T15:36:01 < Laurenceb__> England versus Sweden, a cuckball match
2018-07-07T15:36:37 < Laurenceb__> >first time in my life that I'll be cheering for Swedistan
2018-07-07T15:40:14 < karlp> you're such a wonderfully bright ray of sunshine
2018-07-07T15:41:55 < Laurenceb__> I'll be out celebrating when England lose
2018-07-07T15:42:17 < karlp> got english bois to drink with here today, but honestly don't care who wins.
2018-07-07T15:42:30 < karlp> want croatia to win this afternoon, last team on my card
2018-07-07T15:44:28 < Laurenceb__> wut
2018-07-07T15:44:34 < Laurenceb__> Russia ftw
2018-07-07T15:45:00  * Laurenceb__ has his Assad sign ready to troll everyone at Trump marches on Friday
2018-07-07T15:45:15 < Laurenceb__> making the based centrist memes real
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2018-07-07T15:51:24 < Steffanx> blablabla Laurenceb__. you wont do it anyway.
2018-07-07T15:51:35 < Laurenceb__> I might...
2018-07-07T15:51:40 < Steffanx> > i wont.
2018-07-07T15:51:48 < Steffanx> ^ what i read.
2018-07-07T15:51:49 < Steffanx> :P
2018-07-07T15:51:50 < Laurenceb__> no cuz ur stuck in GERMany
2018-07-07T15:51:57 < jpa-> i think this photo of Laurenceb__ could explain why he is so messed up:  https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36764829_10214181006252518_8034591502401273856_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=5ac8cdf16702d554805d41045b74b37b&oe=5BDBCA2C
2018-07-07T15:52:03 < Steffanx> You wish Kumpel Laurenceb__
2018-07-07T15:52:16 < Steffanx> lol jpa-
2018-07-07T15:52:40 < Steffanx> You facebook jpa-?
2018-07-07T15:52:52 < jpa-> no, but the links migrate over to irc sometimes
2018-07-07T15:53:45 < Steffanx> How were the waffles?
2018-07-07T15:54:14 < jpa-> i've eaten none but they've disappeared
2018-07-07T15:54:36 < sync> waffletheft
2018-07-07T15:54:49 < BrainDamage> the waffle fairy did it
2018-07-07T15:55:05 < Steffanx> :)
2018-07-07T16:15:07 < Sadale> jpa-, lol that pic's funny
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2018-07-07T17:32:48 < Steffanx> Better start crying Laurenceb__.
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2018-07-07T18:07:47 < Streaker> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/07/world/asia/japan-rain-landslides.html
2018-07-07T18:18:38 < Steffanx> And how is inda today mr Streaker?
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2018-07-07T18:39:34 < Laurenceb__> there is only one solution to the football supporter problem https://imgoat.com/uploads/0a080f42e6/121664.jpg
2018-07-07T18:46:17 < Steffanx> Does the same thing work for Blaxters?
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2018-07-07T18:53:01 < Laurenceb__> >when u die but it results in lulzy expressions
2018-07-07T18:56:30 < Streaker> Raining night and day but i'm not dead!
2018-07-07T19:10:23 < Laurenceb__> the absolute state https://imgoat.com/uploads/0a080f42e6/121688.png
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2018-07-07T20:41:11 < Laurenceb__> To all those saying "footballs coming home". We don't own footballs, It's everyone's! Stop saying it, it's racist
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2018-07-07T20:53:11 < Steffanx> Congratz Laurenceb__
2018-07-07T20:57:42 < mawk> lol Laurenceb__ 
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2018-07-07T21:07:04 < Laurenceb__> Sweden literally got Cucked, memes are real
2018-07-07T21:08:14 < mawk> you are swedish ?
2018-07-07T21:08:28 < mawk> I'm looking for a little nice european country to go to after everything else is flooded
2018-07-07T21:08:33 < mawk> I was thinking of Luxembourg
2018-07-07T21:09:02 < mawk> I have the luxembourgeois nationality
2018-07-07T21:09:13 < mawk> also the french and dutch nationalities but these two are doomed
2018-07-07T21:11:03 < Steffanx> We dont want to.
2018-07-07T21:11:06 < Steffanx> you*
2018-07-07T21:11:21 < Steffanx> We = the dutch
2018-07-07T21:11:23 < mawk> :(
2018-07-07T21:11:34 < mawk> too late
2018-07-07T21:11:37 < mawk> I'm already dutch
2018-07-07T21:12:13 < kakimir> mawk: Finland(me), Poland(famously anti-imigration), Slovakia(I recall them being too anti-imigration), Switzerland(if you have money), Austria(building actual borders)
2018-07-07T21:14:31 < Steffanx> finland -_-
2018-07-07T21:17:36 < kakimir> Russia
2018-07-07T21:17:49 < Steffanx> Yes finland is little-russia.
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2018-07-07T21:48:26 < Laurenceb__> isn't Putin actually Finnish?
2018-07-07T21:50:23 < Thorn> Puttinen
2018-07-07T21:51:06 < zyp> vladimiiri puttinen
2018-07-07T22:06:38 < Steffanx> lolz
2018-07-07T22:09:56 < kakimir> we call him shortly "Puuttini"
2018-07-07T22:10:37 < Steffanx> the french call him putain
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2018-07-07T22:26:33 < kakimir> Steffanx: does that mean something in french?
2018-07-07T22:26:37 < Steffanx> Yes.
2018-07-07T22:26:55 < Steffanx> its something like: whore or damn
2018-07-07T22:26:57 < kakimir> hah
2018-07-07T22:27:03 < kakimir> just checked it
2018-07-07T22:27:51 < Steffanx> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows/sucks/bea2b559-2870-45a6-91dc-55b9be52d5ca why cant windows do that yet.
2018-07-07T22:29:56 < Steffanx> playing around with dongscreens, but this kinda sucks: https://imgur.com/a/593LhdJ The displays are pyhsically below the left screen, but due to the huge resolution they cannot be placed there ( in windows)
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2018-07-07T23:02:24 < Cracki> DPI is hard. you could give programs a "base grid" they can render their raster graphics to, or give them vector graphics, or a both as needed...
2018-07-07T23:02:57 < Cracki> but once you give programs awareness of the real physics, programs have to figure out how to deal with it
2018-07-07T23:03:14 < Cracki> but what they describe there is fucked up
2018-07-07T23:03:32 < upgrdman> bike pros: is an adjustable handle bar mount helpful? the kind where you can change the angle
2018-07-07T23:04:01 < upgrdman> so you can slightly change the height and fore/aft position
2018-07-07T23:08:32 < Steffanx> All i need is some nice way to move around the cursor Cracki. Where it doesnt use resolution but the physical size of the screen/position
2018-07-07T23:08:47 < Cracki> "nice"
2018-07-07T23:09:02 < Steffanx> better.
2018-07-07T23:09:27 < Cracki> hm. a glitchy improvement might be to monitor the cursor, predict when it would leave a screen, and put it where it "belongs" next.
2018-07-07T23:09:31 < Steffanx> Move your cursor up on a screen on your left and it ends up in the screen on the right. that's just fucked up.
2018-07-07T23:09:40 < Cracki> oh that?
2018-07-07T23:09:51 < Cracki> on windows, you can rearrange the displays on the virtual grid
2018-07-07T23:10:06 < Cracki> doesn't solve DPI mismatches though
2018-07-07T23:10:16 < Cracki> at least, not up to windows 7, which has uniform dpi
2018-07-07T23:10:20 < Steffanx> that
2018-07-07T23:10:34 < Cracki> I think they did something in 8.x or 10 that gave displays individual DPI settings
2018-07-07T23:11:40 < Cracki> the gui imposes a non-disjoint desktop, do when you move a screen around, it'll stick to the rest
2018-07-07T23:12:37 < Steffanx> fuck you laurenceb and/or kakimir.
2018-07-07T23:12:45 < Steffanx> Now i read "gui" as "guy"
2018-07-07T23:13:06 < Cracki> muh gui
2018-07-07T23:13:14 < Cracki> gooey
2018-07-07T23:13:20 < Steffanx> yes, gooey.
2018-07-07T23:13:28 < Cracki> that's not quite "guy"
2018-07-07T23:13:44 < Steffanx> Yes, but i belive kakimir and/or lb talk like that sometimes
2018-07-07T23:13:48 < Steffanx> *believe
2018-07-07T23:13:49 < Cracki> API is "uh-pee"
2018-07-07T23:14:03 < Cracki> emphasis on the "uh"
2018-07-07T23:14:34 < Cracki> Deutsch muss wieder die Sprache von Wissenschaft und Forschung werden.
2018-07-07T23:16:22 < Steffanx> Ya. Kugelschreiber und Tintenpatrone.
2018-07-07T23:19:00 < Steffanx> </random german words>
2018-07-07T23:19:43 < zyp> nebelwerfer
2018-07-07T23:20:48 < Steffanx> Ya Kumpel.
2018-07-07T23:23:52 < Steffanx> Technical german is funny Cracki, that for sure.
2018-07-07T23:24:06 < Cracki> Stapelverarbeitung, Kellerspeicher, Verklemmungsfreiheit
2018-07-07T23:24:50 < Cracki> Dampfschifffahrtsgesellschaft
2018-07-07T23:26:58 < Steffanx> :)
2018-07-07T23:35:00 < vampi-the-frog> Antidisestablishmentarianism
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2018-07-08T00:16:33 < Cracki> Sozen kloppen
2018-07-08T00:19:56 < Steffanx> Kanner-Syndrom Cracki 
2018-07-08T00:21:29 < Cracki> don't talk to germans about what constitutes a "child". they'll tell you a full beard doesn't make you an adult. they'll tell you dental or hand xrays can't indicate age.
2018-07-08T00:22:15 < Cracki> they don't believe in wrinkles around the eyes make you an adult.
2018-07-08T00:22:44 < Steffanx> Aha. Weird germans
2018-07-08T00:23:07 < Cracki> we've been indoctrinated to mental and racial death
2018-07-08T00:23:54 < Cracki> you can tell by how we cringe and turn away about certain topics, as if we were all in an abusive relationship with someone
2018-07-08T00:25:58 < sync> Steffanx: Funktionsrahmen, Adaptionsfahrt, Applizierungsvorgang
2018-07-08T00:26:12 < sync> or even worse
2018-07-08T00:26:17 < sync> Änderungsantragsschreiben
2018-07-08T00:28:35 < Cracki> what the heck is adaptionsfahrt?
2018-07-08T00:28:58 < Cracki> who's driving that thing?
2018-07-08T00:29:07 < sync> the applikateur
2018-07-08T00:29:15 < Cracki> what does it apply?
2018-07-08T00:29:28 < sync> what is written in the funktionsrahmen
2018-07-08T00:29:41 < sync> it is a strange word out of the automotive world
2018-07-08T00:29:43 < Cracki> what is "adapted" there?
2018-07-08T00:29:48 < sync> ecu maps
2018-07-08T00:29:55 < Cracki> uh
2018-07-08T00:30:07 < Cracki> I figure funktionsrahmen ~ some kind of stack frame
2018-07-08T00:30:10 < sync> no
2018-07-08T00:30:13 < Cracki> or is that "scope"?
2018-07-08T00:30:19 < sync> function description basically
2018-07-08T00:30:24 < Cracki> okeh
2018-07-08T00:30:39 < Cracki> PLCs are weird. not a single computer scientist or programmer ever touched that shit.
2018-07-08T00:30:40 < sync> basically the software documentation for ecus
2018-07-08T00:30:46 < Cracki> only "engineers"
2018-07-08T00:30:49 < Cracki> wat
2018-07-08T00:30:55 < sync> pfft
2018-07-08T00:30:56 < Cracki> they're so fucked in the head
2018-07-08T00:30:58 < sync> plcs are not so bad
2018-07-08T00:31:11 < sync> as long as you do not have to program them in graphical ladder logic
2018-07-08T00:31:23 < Cracki> I agree, but only as long as you have a compiler that compiles to PLC langs
2018-07-08T00:31:32 < Cracki> haha that's even worse than assembly
2018-07-08T00:31:35 < sync> auge @mitsubishi
2018-07-08T00:31:41 < Cracki> if it were models like in simulink at least
2018-07-08T00:31:50 < sync> had to program some plcs only with ladder diagrams
2018-07-08T00:31:59 < sync> or rather debug that shit
2018-07-08T00:32:04 < Cracki> I'd write high level language, then compile it down to ladders
2018-07-08T00:32:09 < Cracki> uh...
2018-07-08T00:32:17 < Cracki> would there be a market for ladder logic decompilers?
2018-07-08T00:32:34 < Cracki> i.e. something that figures out high level structures or other flow from that?
2018-07-08T00:32:55 < Cracki> I realize it'd be as hard as making sense of hand-crafted assembly, since nobody *generates* ladder logic diagrams
2018-07-08T00:35:56 < Thorn> why aren't PLCs event driven (like HDLs for example)
2018-07-08T00:36:20 < Thorn> whenever discrete input #0 changes value execute this procedure
2018-07-08T00:36:23 < Cracki> because they're basically microcontrollers.
2018-07-08T00:36:35 < Thorn> instead of running the same loop 100 times a second
2018-07-08T00:37:00 < Cracki> they're imperative at the core.
2018-07-08T00:37:37 < Cracki> and PLC programming is stuck in the last century.
2018-07-08T00:37:53 < Thorn> verilog/vhdl simulators do exist
2018-07-08T00:38:03 < Cracki> unless you use matlab/simulink, in which case you can compile models to PLC code
2018-07-08T00:38:44 < Cracki> I think perhaps PLCs are so cruddy because these "engineers" never heard of hardware description languages
2018-07-08T00:38:51 < Cracki> they're glorified electricians
2018-07-08T00:38:56 < sync> Thorn: they can be
2018-07-08T00:38:59 < sync> but don't have to be
2018-07-08T00:39:43 < sync> Cracki: plcs are made for automation people
2018-07-08T00:39:52 < Cracki> and I know who those are
2018-07-08T00:39:58 < sync> which are worse than electricians, they are mech eng
2018-07-08T00:40:13 < Cracki> they can't handle code that needs more than triple-digit line numbers
2018-07-08T00:40:21 < Cracki> ah yes, mechengs
2018-07-08T00:40:23 < Steffanx> I blame the germans.. siemens mainly.
2018-07-08T00:40:54 < Cracki> if they at least could claim that it makes the shit safer... but no, they don't have any formal methods on that shit
2018-07-08T00:41:06 < Cracki> the formal methods are used in industry, but nowhere a PLC is used
2018-07-08T00:41:12 < sync> Steffanx: simatics work tho
2018-07-08T00:41:16 < Cracki> nowhere that HDLs are used either
2018-07-08T00:41:30 < Steffanx> SIMATIC WinCC <3.
2018-07-08T00:41:36 < sync> there are formal methods for PLCs
2018-07-08T00:41:42 < Cracki> you get formal methods *maybe* if human life hangs in the balance, or hundreds of millions in investment
2018-07-08T00:41:56 < sync> mostly only the former
2018-07-08T00:42:05 < sync> the oil drilling guys are big in it
2018-07-08T00:43:11 < Cracki> lemme guess, you have to pay for it
2018-07-08T00:43:30 < Cracki> if it were integral to how (shitty) you get to program a PLC, it'd be a reason for them being so shitty to program
2018-07-08T00:43:58 < sync> well, most of it works by having a shitton of people sifting through ladder diagrams
2018-07-08T00:44:16 < Cracki> I want to claw out someone's eyeballs
2018-07-08T00:44:45 < Cracki> and then dump the bucket full of eyes on their factory floor and watch them slip and hit their heads
2018-07-08T00:51:12 < Steffanx> bist du krank im kopf Cracki?
2018-07-08T00:51:22 < Cracki> no, just creative
2018-07-08T00:51:39 < Cracki> "formal verification" isn't throwing eyeballs at a problem
2018-07-08T00:57:27 < Steffanx> Afaik you can make quite a bit of money as a plc programmer in dutchland
2018-07-08T00:58:56 < Thorn> |--| |--|/|------(  )--|
2018-07-08T01:03:41 < Steffanx> Werent you looking for a left wing job Cracki 
2018-07-08T01:03:48 < Steffanx> Plcing sounds great.
2018-07-08T01:03:58 < Cracki> >left wing
2018-07-08T01:04:17 < Cracki> not sure that involves clobbering unwashed hippies
2018-07-08T01:05:27 < Cracki> I do would enjoy operating a Wasserwerfer
2018-07-08T01:07:02 < Cracki> PLC programmers make money because they sell themselves as "better than lowly programmers"
2018-07-08T01:07:27 < Steffanx> And shooting tear gas?
2018-07-08T01:07:52 < Steffanx> Isnt it a kinda dying profession?
2018-07-08T01:07:59 < Cracki> crying marxists <3
2018-07-08T01:08:22 < Cracki> actually no, marxists are multiplying at an alarming rate
2018-07-08T01:08:49 < Cracki> you have to constantly tend to them, they're like weeds
2018-07-08T01:08:54 < Steffanx> I meant the PLC Programmers.
2018-07-08T01:09:13 < Cracki> something something same thing
2018-07-08T01:09:39 < Cracki> PLC programmers will "die out" like fortran programmers... slowly at most
2018-07-08T01:09:53 < Steffanx> Should add conversation ids to my messages.
2018-07-08T01:09:59 < Cracki> all the industrial automation is still PLC
2018-07-08T01:10:09 < Cracki> and it will continue to be. PLCs might only grow in capabilities.
2018-07-08T01:11:02 < Cracki> i know someone who refers to emails by their unique ID (and only that!), when he knows he's the only one who can make use of that piece of info
2018-07-08T01:12:11 < Cracki> at the same time, he loves IPv6 and he loves systems that fuck up DNS (systemd)
2018-07-08T01:12:45 < Cracki> he's also averse to labeling himself in any way
2018-07-08T01:13:01 < Steffanx> Is it Blaxter.
2018-07-08T01:13:04 < Steffanx> ?
2018-07-08T01:13:37 < bitmask> whats up nerds
2018-07-08T01:13:44 < Cracki> >Blaxploitation
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2018-07-08T01:13:55 < Cracki> >Blaxter-ploitation
2018-07-08T01:14:11 < Cracki> muh guy
2018-07-08T01:14:27 < stvn> mu
2018-07-08T01:16:46 < Cracki> µ
2018-07-08T01:20:13 < stvn> muh
2018-07-08T01:36:37 < stvn> is the doctor here?
2018-07-08T01:45:02 < Cracki> not since 3.3 hours ago
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2018-07-08T01:54:15 < stvn> backster
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2018-07-08T02:01:15 < Laurenceb__> muh alsa
2018-07-08T02:10:56 < stvn> what did it do now
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2018-07-08T02:22:03 < stvn> cats
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2018-07-08T02:29:45 < Cracki> meow
2018-07-08T02:29:45 < Cracki> brits must be prevented from serving spoiled meat? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhicFukWkAAkBsE.jpg:orig
2018-07-08T02:34:35 < Cracki> muh leg! https://twitter.com/JaredoTexas/status/1015498372415918081
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2018-07-08T04:16:27 < Laurenceb__> stvn: weird delays
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2018-07-08T04:20:22 < Laurenceb__> if I write my own arecord clone it could output timestamps according to alsa docs
2018-07-08T04:20:35 < Laurenceb__> or just grab arecord source and mod it
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2018-07-08T04:28:06 < Laurenceb__> wtf 
2018-07-08T04:28:08 < Laurenceb__> https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/datasheets/quark-d1000-datasheet.pdf
2018-07-08T04:28:18 < Laurenceb__> looks like an F1 tier clone without usb
2018-07-08T04:28:54 < Laurenceb__> pretty low power, prob due to smps for the core voltage
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2018-07-08T05:10:44 < bitmask> giant double fly swatter: https://i.imgur.com/UkCJazO.png
2018-07-08T05:19:17 < stvn> is that to paddle your wife's buttocks?
2018-07-08T05:23:46 < bitmask> it is now
2018-07-08T05:24:30 < bitmask> its actually a strut for my pen plotter, the two arms were too wobbly so I had to print something to connect them
2018-07-08T05:28:07 < stvn> i see
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2018-07-08T05:31:07 < stvn> today I visited the oracle
2018-07-08T05:31:17 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZXdZHrNY/billy.JPG
2018-07-08T05:35:57 < scrts> hi, did anyone ever design a video application with ntsc analog encoder?
2018-07-08T05:43:42 < dongs> dcmi / fsmc not fast enough to do anything useful with it i think
2018-07-08T05:50:45 < scrts> I am working with some crap that cannot get aligned in terms of blanking periods
2018-07-08T05:51:05 < scrts> I cannot find any specification where NTSC 720x480 video would have vertical blanking defined
2018-07-08T05:52:19 < dongs> whaT? vertical blanking aka VBI
2018-07-08T05:52:21 < dongs> of coursei ts tehre
2018-07-08T05:52:28 < dongs> thats wehre closedcaptions and other data-ish shit is
2018-07-08T05:55:26 < scrts> I know it's there, but I need vertical front porch, sync width and back porch values
2018-07-08T05:55:48 < dongs> thats encoder settings
2018-07-08T05:55:57 < scrts> doing trial&run right now and get either 2 black lines at the bottom or some ghosting images
2018-07-08T05:55:57 < dongs> you configure that in wahtever chip you use
2018-07-08T05:56:06 < scrts> seems like I'm missing something and decoder gets f.. up
2018-07-08T05:56:33 < scrts> adv7393 doesn't have anything defined
2018-07-08T05:56:48 < scrts> it basically modulates digital signal
2018-07-08T05:57:04 < dongs> wait, you are using ENcoder
2018-07-08T05:57:08 < dongs> outputting cvbs?
2018-07-08T05:57:28 < dongs> i thought you were capturing it.
2018-07-08T05:59:17 < scrts> nope, I am outputing cvbs
2018-07-08T06:19:39 < stvn> CRT
2018-07-08T06:19:45 < dongs> literally
2018-07-08T06:22:15 < scrts> nah, Ford car radio...
2018-07-08T06:22:31 < scrts> how the hell to download anything from baidu.com?
2018-07-08T06:24:35 < dongs> you rpobly need to pay china
2018-07-08T06:24:57 < scrts> f.. that, china doesn't pay me
2018-07-08T06:25:00 < scrts> :/
2018-07-08T06:25:14 < scrts> btw, there was a funny video on youtube
2018-07-08T06:25:28 < scrts> where one lad bought iphone parts in Shenzhen market
2018-07-08T06:25:32 < scrts> and assembled iphone himself
2018-07-08T06:26:02 < dongs> 1) its not funny 2) the "lad" is a fucking retard
2018-07-08T06:35:13 < scrts> don't be a tit
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2018-07-08T10:35:07 < Jak_o_Shadows> That numworks calculator is half tempting
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2018-07-08T10:43:33 < stvn> lol okay at least it wasn't kickstarted
2018-07-08T10:43:47 < stvn> "better than the ti-84" well that was a shit calculator
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2018-07-08T10:45:38 < stvn> $237.83 aud
2018-07-08T10:45:40 < stvn> hmmmmmm
2018-07-08T10:47:10 < Jak_o_Shadows> #australia tax
2018-07-08T10:47:19 < stvn> can it take the fourier transform of my fist
2018-07-08T10:47:22 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah, buying from america, and shipping to here, it's $106 USD
2018-07-08T10:47:56 < stvn> i see
2018-07-08T10:48:17 < stvn> almost certain the price doesn't bother me
2018-07-08T10:48:38 < Jak_o_Shadows> ?
2018-07-08T10:49:03 < stvn> i know its a bit of a rip in aud but meh
2018-07-08T10:49:26 < Jak_o_Shadows> My only issue is that the external flash chip isn't populated
2018-07-08T10:50:02 < stvn> the dogs
2018-07-08T10:51:09 < stvn> i found 2x of my favourite out of production calculator at a thrift shop for $4 each
2018-07-08T10:51:56 < Jak_o_Shadows> I have a casio fx9860, but it hoovers down batteries a little
2018-07-08T10:52:10 < Jak_o_Shadows> and eh, i could program it in C, but nobody has ever seemed to do that
2018-07-08T10:57:54 < stvn> yeah those texas fucks were great for chowing down the joules
2018-07-08T11:02:18 < Steffanx> I liked my ti-84+ mr stvn
2018-07-08T11:03:24 < Steffanx> Mainly for the games during math class
2018-07-08T11:04:26 < stvn> the equations
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2018-07-08T11:07:40 < Steffanx> And i like crashing my class mates calcs which made them loose everything stored in RAM
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2018-07-08T11:07:55 < Steffanx> Because they had to remove the batteries to recover
2018-07-08T11:09:08 < Steffanx> (fyi every app was stored in ram, until you explicitly moved it to ROM)
2018-07-08T11:09:16 < Steffanx> But you probably knew that
2018-07-08T11:09:48 < Steffanx> Because you were a ti 8x gamer too
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2018-07-08T11:15:49 < stvn> i downloaded a game or 2 for the ti-83
2018-07-08T11:15:57 < stvn> and was amused by how crap it was
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2018-07-08T11:16:47 < stvn> i kinda knew what to expect
2018-07-08T11:17:12 < stvn> so i went back to yob emag odnetnin
2018-07-08T11:17:33 < Steffanx> Hah ok
2018-07-08T11:21:55 < stvn> did you watch anime
2018-07-08T11:34:30 < Steffanx> As a kid, yeah
2018-07-08T11:36:38 < stvn> what was i ranting on about yesterday in private message
2018-07-08T11:36:41 < stvn> THE_ANIME_TOUR
2018-07-08T11:37:05 < Steffanx> Yes, but das war einmal
2018-07-08T11:37:32 < stvn> can't even imagine why or what I was doing to invoke such a rant
2018-07-08T11:37:45 < Steffanx> Lol. Me neither.
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2018-07-08T11:39:05 < stvn> Guess I was bored watching random shit on twitch.tv
2018-07-08T11:39:36 < stvn> discovered there was some kind of aussie esports bullshit show on there 
2018-07-08T11:42:18 < stvn> and sony ps4 advertising set on maximum
2018-07-08T11:54:30 < stvn> 私にすべての触手を与えてください
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2018-07-08T13:05:22 < zyp> when did your japanese get so good?
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2018-07-08T13:09:14 < stvn> hi sir
2018-07-08T13:10:09 < Steffanx> Can you understand that without google translate zyp?
2018-07-08T13:11:37 < zyp> I had to look up を	(prt) indicates direct object of action; indicates subject of causative expression; indicates an area traversed; indicates time (period) over which action takes place; (P)
2018-07-08T13:11:41 < zyp> uh
2018-07-08T13:11:47 < zyp> 触手
2018-07-08T13:11:50 < zyp> I had to look up 触手
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2018-07-08T13:13:53 < zyp> on the other hand, sentence seems a bit unnatural, probably came from google translate in the first place
2018-07-08T13:16:14 < Steffanx> hmm, i didnt know japanese was this verbose. Its only like 6 words in english.
2018-07-08T13:16:26 < zyp> it's not, that's what I mean by unnatural
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2018-07-08T13:19:17 < zyp> a native japanese speaker would probably say some shit like 触手を呉れ
2018-07-08T13:20:24 < Steffanx> ah
2018-07-08T13:20:55 < Steffanx> lol google translate that to just: tentacle :D
2018-07-08T13:21:19 < zyp> yeah
2018-07-08T13:21:58 < zyp> one thing they do a lot in japanese is leave out stuff that's given by context
2018-07-08T13:22:11 < zyp> and google translate isn't all that great in coping with that :p
2018-07-08T13:22:31 < zyp> and conversely, english to japanese turns out a lot more verbose than natural
2018-07-08T13:23:48 < zyp> e.g. pronouns
2018-07-08T13:24:05 < zyp> english sentences usually contains a lot of «me» and «you»
2018-07-08T13:24:28 < zyp> «give me … blah blah»
2018-07-08T13:24:53 < zyp> in japanese, it's implied unless otherwise stated, so you just ask «give … blah blah»
2018-07-08T13:25:32 < Steffanx> ah :)
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2018-07-08T17:46:04 < Thorn> why is stm32 ethernet so complicated :/ 
2018-07-08T17:46:12 < Thorn> dma descriptor lists and stuff
2018-07-08T17:47:35 < Sadale> I guess I'll avoid using STM32 ethernet from now on :P
2018-07-08T17:48:00 < Steffanx> Better avoid stm32.
2018-07-08T17:48:09 < kow__> ya
2018-07-08T17:48:17 < kow__> get an arduino u jerk
2018-07-08T17:48:27 < Thorn> you can always cube
2018-07-08T17:48:43 < kow__> always do
2018-07-08T17:48:58 < Steffanx> ENC28J60 ftw.
2018-07-08T17:49:05 < kow__> they did a seminar here I came home with like 3 cubes
2018-07-08T17:49:44 < kow__> and then lunch was delicious
2018-07-08T17:50:01 < Steffanx> Did you get out of the cubes? :o
2018-07-08T17:50:23 < kow__> we connected them to azure *puke*
2018-07-08T17:50:28 < Sadale> Perhaps STM32 ethernet's so cheap because it's difficult to program. That adds to software development cost :P
2018-07-08T17:50:35 < kow__> I came an hour late and didn't realize that and followed the aws tutorial
2018-07-08T17:51:00 < Sadale> If they sold it expensive than no one'd buy it becausee it's too difficult to work with
2018-07-08T17:52:07 < kow__> I don't even work anymore, I just go to seminars with free lunches
2018-07-08T17:52:21 < kow__> if you get really good at finding all the seminars then u don't even need to write code
2018-07-08T17:52:30 < Steffanx> World STM32 tour?
2018-07-08T17:53:03 < Steffanx> Is your boss hiring kow__?
2018-07-08T17:53:22 < kow__> ya we're always hiring and always firing
2018-07-08T17:53:39 < Sadale> kow__, interesting.
2018-07-08T17:53:42 < kow__> (Waterloo, ON)
2018-07-08T17:53:47 < Steffanx> Excellent. I see you are a Canuck so.. ill send a CV :P
2018-07-08T17:53:56 < Sadale> kow__, what about breakfast and dinner, tho
2018-07-08T17:54:26 < Steffanx> Based on the name i assume is the english part of canada?
2018-07-08T17:54:37 < kow__> those fall under expenses Sadale 
2018-07-08T17:55:07 < Sadale> kow__, oh. I see. I thought that you meant that you don't have a day job now. I guess you mean that you have a job. But you aren't working in your job. Is that correct?
2018-07-08T17:55:23 < Steffanx> Yes.
2018-07-08T17:55:34 < Steffanx> because he goes to all the seminars he can find.
2018-07-08T17:55:35 < Sadale> I see. cool!
2018-07-08T17:55:46 < Sadale> won't you get fired for that? xD
2018-07-08T17:55:51 < Steffanx> with a bit of sarcasm.
2018-07-08T17:55:53 < kow__> Steffanx, doesn't matter, you're technically better off applying in the french part of Canada since half their job is translating the documentation first
2018-07-08T17:56:00 < Sadale> and why'd the company allow that to happen?
2018-07-08T17:56:18 < Steffanx> but je ne parle pas francáis, monsieur kow__
2018-07-08T17:56:26 < Sadale> BTW, I'm literally living on the other side of the earth.
2018-07-08T17:56:30 < Sadale> Hong Kong, China.
2018-07-08T17:56:30 < Steffanx> *français.
2018-07-08T17:56:37 < Sadale> bonjour.
2018-07-08T17:57:05 < kow__> I lived in Montreal for like 8 years and worked at a french university, you know more French than me and more than you need to work with francophones ;)
2018-07-08T17:57:09 < Steffanx> You must be our first chinese regular, Sadale
2018-07-08T17:57:25 < Sadale> right. I'm told about that. nihao. Or neihou (Cantonese) :3
2018-07-08T17:57:46 < Sadale> actually we barely say neihou in real life. We just say "hi" or "hey".
2018-07-08T17:58:03 < kow__> Sadale, I'
2018-07-08T17:58:09 < kow__> Sadale, I'm a cofounder so I do what I want
2018-07-08T17:58:20 < Sadale> kow__, ah. no wonder. good for you.
2018-07-08T17:58:20 < Steffanx> oh lol, you are the boss.
2018-07-08T17:58:37 < Steffanx> Then i wont apply.
2018-07-08T17:58:51 < Sadale> lololololol
2018-07-08T17:59:04 < Sadale> The salary of my current job sucks. And it overtimes a lot :<
2018-07-08T17:59:17 < Sadale> I guess I'd be better off looking for another one. I don't know.
2018-07-08T17:59:25 < Sadale> But I'm too busy to do so :<
2018-07-08T17:59:29 < Steffanx> and you are an embedded engineer?
2018-07-08T17:59:34 < Steffanx> microcontrollers and stuff?
2018-07-08T17:59:42 < Sadale> programmer. I can't really do electronics
2018-07-08T17:59:47 < Sadale> embedded programmer.
2018-07-08T18:00:11 < Sadale> The title sounds cool. It's "Software Engineer". But what it really is is embedded programmer.
2018-07-08T18:00:29 < Sadale> perhaps the company thought that I wouldn't be leaving. :p
2018-07-08T18:00:45 < Sadale> so they didn't give me a decent salary raise :<
2018-07-08T18:01:06 < kow__> Steffanx, if u wanna apply for something try a startup grant, takes about a day of writing to get ~30k back
2018-07-08T18:01:34 < kow__> pull an idea out of your ass and pivot after you get the cash ;)
2018-07-08T18:01:37 < Sadale> kow__, is there any committment to get this sort of grant? What'd happen if you fail to deliver?
2018-07-08T18:02:12 < kow__> our first 15k just required us to do some pitches (I'd have done it for the free food tbh)
2018-07-08T18:02:34 < kow__> then the next 30k was a matching grant so we just had to take out a 30k loan for a few days
2018-07-08T18:02:59 < Sadale> matching grant? What's that?
2018-07-08T18:03:29 < kow__> they will match up to 30k of funding, they just want to see a bank balance of >30k
2018-07-08T18:03:54 < Sadale> I see. lol
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2018-07-08T18:04:20 < kow__> the expectation is that ~90% of startups fail, although this last program we got into insists that they are very picky and that most of their companies succeed
2018-07-08T18:04:22 < Sadale> what after you get 30k?
2018-07-08T18:04:36 < Sadale> then you can ditch them? :P
2018-07-08T18:05:06 < kow__> you could, but they are giving us a bunch of free mentors so we've stuck to it
2018-07-08T18:05:15 < Sadale> awww I see.
2018-07-08T18:05:32 < Sadale> lol that's cool.
2018-07-08T18:05:43 < Sadale> just wait for the company to die xD
2018-07-08T18:05:57 < mawk> francáis
2018-07-08T18:05:58 < kow__> we used some of the 30k to hire a HS intern to copy and paste our last grant application into new grant applications
2018-07-08T18:06:06 < mawk> français
2018-07-08T18:07:09 < Sadale> lol
2018-07-08T18:08:29 < Sadale> kow__, bad boy :P
2018-07-08T18:09:03 < Sadale> I guess it's just those guys who offer grant being dumb, tho
2018-07-08T18:09:22 < kow__> this is standard business, how do you think all these big companies came to exist?
2018-07-08T18:10:33 < kow__> the only crime I commited was getting a free lunch, everything else was decided by business advisors ;)
2018-07-08T18:10:50 < Sadale> lol
2018-07-08T18:10:54 < BrainDamage> what's your business supposed to be?
2018-07-08T18:11:04 < kow__> hardware startup
2018-07-08T18:11:28 < Sadale> the grant provider thought that it'd be a good thing to offer money to startups.
2018-07-08T18:12:04 < kow__> this is the grant I'm talking about: http://acceleratorcentre.com/acjumpstart/
2018-07-08T18:12:05 < Sadale> In fact there're quite few companies just take the grant and do nothing. And there isn't any easy way to prevent that from happening :(
2018-07-08T18:12:46 < Sadale> I think I should also seek for local grants, just like you do xD
2018-07-08T18:13:20 < BrainDamage> >Applicants for the the AC JumpStart Program should be:Dedicated and hard working
2018-07-08T18:13:21 < Sadale> kow__, LOL "Applicants for the the AC JumpStart Program should be:" "Dedicated and hard working"
2018-07-08T18:13:38 < Sadale> BrainDamage, aww you said that a second before I did
2018-07-08T18:13:55 < kow__> when I say it took a day of writing to get the 30k, I didn't account for all the work I did leading up to it, there was a good year of R&D developing a product and we are a serious company, but the application only took a day to fill out.
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2018-07-08T18:15:24 < kow__> a lot of the companies in the program are 100% business, no development, just rebranding a product and selling it to a new market
2018-07-08T18:16:16 < BrainDamage> we got one after a phone call during a meeting in a presentation we did
2018-07-08T18:17:14 < Sadale> I see. At least you're better than those companies I guess. :P
2018-07-08T18:17:23 < vampi-the-frog> are you fellas talking about money
2018-07-08T18:17:23 < vampi-the-frog> ?
2018-07-08T18:17:27 < vampi-the-frog> god I love money
2018-07-08T18:17:34 < vampi-the-frog> I rub my penis on each and every banknote
2018-07-08T18:17:55 < vampi-the-frog> if I pay cash, you can rest assured that I profusely rubbed my penis on those bills
2018-07-08T18:18:01 < BrainDamage> no, it was 30k in coins
2018-07-08T18:18:02 < Sadale> if everyone did that then you'd got STD>
2018-07-08T18:18:04 < kow__> what do u do to ur mastercard
2018-07-08T18:18:15 < Sadale> lol
2018-07-08T18:18:39 < vampi-the-frog> I use mastercard to scratch
2018-07-08T18:18:40 < kow__> Sadale, I did have one evil idea, Azure gave us like 15k in server credits and I joked about 'turning that into something useful' by installing a monero miner
2018-07-08T18:18:43 < Sadale> I bet that he'd still rub it on the coins.
2018-07-08T18:18:54 < Sadale> kow__, lol
2018-07-08T18:19:06 < Sadale> kow__, won't you get caught?
2018-07-08T18:19:24 < Sadale> If they find out you'd lost all of your credit.
2018-07-08T18:19:36 < vampi-the-frog> easy come easy go
2018-07-08T18:19:37 < kow__> pretty sure it's not against any rules
2018-07-08T18:20:08 < kow__> also google gave us credits too
2018-07-08T18:20:58 < kow__> https://cloud.google.com/developers/startups/
2018-07-08T18:21:02 < Sadale> easy cum easy go*
2018-07-08T18:21:46 < Sadale> kow__, guess that I should start a shell company and do this crap.
2018-07-08T18:21:59 < kow__> and I'm sure AWS has a program too, our entire infrastructure is running on AWS free tier atm
2018-07-08T18:22:03 < Sadale> Then I can start a new one.
2018-07-08T18:22:10 < Sadale> and a new one. and another new one.
2018-07-08T18:22:14 < kow__> or start a real company so that you don't have to find a new job a year from now
2018-07-08T18:22:16 < Sadale> Then I can get a lot of credits.
2018-07-08T18:24:24 < vampi-the-frog> don't be vulgar
2018-07-08T18:24:43 < Sadale> kow__, meh. Too much risk.
2018-07-08T18:24:52 < Sadale> I'd have to dump a lot of money into the new real company.
2018-07-08T18:25:22 < vampi-the-frog> good excuse, you get an A
2018-07-08T18:25:35 < Sadale> And if it fails then I'd be in debt.
2018-07-08T18:25:40 < BrainDamage> you don't have to
2018-07-08T18:26:21 < BrainDamage> you can make a limited company even if you're a single individual
2018-07-08T18:27:16 < Sadale> I see. But I still need to throw in the bootstraping capital to it.
2018-07-08T18:27:40 < Sadale> And I have to make it work in a way that it generates more profit than the cost I throw into it.
2018-07-08T18:27:40 < BrainDamage> depends on your local legislation
2018-07-08T18:28:01 < Sadale> I meant the company needs capital to operate.
2018-07-08T18:28:04 < BrainDamage> there for startups there's a special kind of limited company that required us to throw 0€ of social capital
2018-07-08T18:28:20 < BrainDamage> sure, that's why you search for grants and investors
2018-07-08T18:28:23 < Sadale> , like you need to hire staffs and buy equipments and stuffs.
2018-07-08T18:28:26 < Sadale> lolololololol
2018-07-08T18:28:39 < Sadale> Is it really *that* easy to convince those investors? :o
2018-07-08T18:28:41 < kow__> it is a big risk, I don't plan on failing tho :p
2018-07-08T18:28:43 < BrainDamage> no
2018-07-08T18:28:56 < kow__> Sadale, most of the applications to these programs are ridiculous
2018-07-08T18:29:03 < Sadale> kow__, hmm.
2018-07-08T18:29:14 < Sadale> still, if I don't need to throw in my own money, what to lose! :P
2018-07-08T18:29:21 < BrainDamage> but fortunately, if you have a serious product, you're better than 70% of the startup ideas
2018-07-08T18:29:59 < kow__> the most successful people are business students that don't make a product, they just grow an idea and bring on investors, and when they have millions in capital they hire a dev team or sell
2018-07-08T18:30:12 < Sadale> I see.
2018-07-08T18:30:24 < Sadale> I wonder how do they convince those investors. :/
2018-07-08T18:30:38 < vampi-the-frog> with sexual powers
2018-07-08T18:30:51 < BrainDamage> same way you convince people to give you a million bucks on dickstarter
2018-07-08T18:30:53 < kow__> Sadale, GIS profit projection graph
2018-07-08T18:30:59 < BrainDamage> you present the idea well
2018-07-08T18:31:02 < kow__> they will all look the same
2018-07-08T18:31:12 < Sadale> BrainDamage, like we know how to!
2018-07-08T18:31:15 < kow__> slap one of those onto your business plan and you're golden
2018-07-08T18:31:32 < BrainDamage> writing a business plan is not that
2018-07-08T18:31:36 < kow__> investors don't want to be convinced, they just want to be fed numbers
2018-07-08T18:31:36 < BrainDamage> not that hard
2018-07-08T18:31:48 < BrainDamage> that's just semantics
2018-07-08T18:31:56 < kow__> they will skim your business plan, read 5-10% of it, they are just looking for your projections
2018-07-08T18:31:57 < Sadale> I see. So what you'd do just to manipulate those numbers.
2018-07-08T18:32:09 < Sadale> like "this product will make you milliions of dollars!"
2018-07-08T18:32:19 < kow__> you don't have to manipulate numbers, if your idea is somewhat decent and you succeed, those numbers will look good
2018-07-08T18:32:26 < Sadale> Ohhhh! It's so awesome! You got to dump money to us so that we'd do that for you1
2018-07-08T18:32:32 < kow__> and if you intend to succed then you can project good numbers
2018-07-08T18:32:48 < BrainDamage> we have 8M net in 5 years
2018-07-08T18:33:21 < kow__> again, the investors are not dumb, they completely understand they are throwing away 90% of their monopoly money, they are risking it because a few startups do eventually succeed
2018-07-08T18:33:39 < BrainDamage> the few startups that succeed, have crazy ROI
2018-07-08T18:33:54 < Sadale> I see.
2018-07-08T18:34:06 < Sadale> So they're just testing out ideas.
2018-07-08T18:34:07 < BrainDamage> it's a high risk high reward gamble
2018-07-08T18:34:21 < Sadale> Apparently we engineers are somehow benefited from it.
2018-07-08T18:34:45 < BrainDamage> well, if you have piles of money, it's not hard to make more money
2018-07-08T18:35:03 < BrainDamage> this applies to everyone
2018-07-08T18:35:05 < kow__> and the investors want you to show optimistic projections, because those optimistic projections are what rope more investors in, you are kind of colluding with your investor while your business is still vaporware
2018-07-08T18:35:23 < Sadale> lol
2018-07-08T18:35:29 < Sadale> And you get the money anyway :
2018-07-08T18:35:30 < Sadale> :D
2018-07-08T18:35:38 < kow__> ya
2018-07-08T18:35:45 < BrainDamage> getting funded is one of the best things to get more funding
2018-07-08T18:35:50 < Sadale> sounds like a cool way to may money
2018-07-08T18:35:55 < BrainDamage> because they see that someone put their trust into you
2018-07-08T18:35:59 < BrainDamage> so they do it as well
2018-07-08T18:35:59 < kow__> yep
2018-07-08T18:36:21 < Sadale> But what if your company die after failing to make a real profit?
2018-07-08T18:36:30 < Sadale> You'd have to start over again, wouldn't you?
2018-07-08T18:36:38 < BrainDamage> sure
2018-07-08T18:36:50 < BrainDamage> welcome to silicon valley
2018-07-08T18:36:51 < kow__> none of this makes sense to most engineers but it's how business works and the sooner you start writing a bunch of BS applications that outline your "dreams" and making up profit projections, the sooner you can benefit
2018-07-08T18:38:10 < BrainDamage> just don't listed to the the crazier ones that succeeded
2018-07-08T18:38:15 < Sadale> I see. I guess I'll look into that.
2018-07-08T18:38:20 < BrainDamage> you don't need the whole arbitrary hippy culture
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2018-07-08T18:44:16 < vampi-the-frog> WOMEN WILL KNOW THE MEANING OF FRAGILITY WHEN THEY EXPERIENCE MY BIG DICK ENERGY
2018-07-08T18:44:55 < BrainDamage> because it breaks itself when used?
2018-07-08T18:45:31  * vampi-the-frog gives mean look
2018-07-08T18:45:49 < vampi-the-frog> has anyone successfully gotten isochronous transfers to work, with any firmware lib?
2018-07-08T18:46:00 < vampi-the-frog> OUT transfers in particular
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2018-07-08T18:54:07 < branjb> like what, a dma transfer at a certain rate?
2018-07-08T18:55:17 < vampi-the-frog> no, just getting the data from the host to the peripheral in its entirety
2018-07-08T18:55:27 < vampi-the-frog> I got something working with unicore-mx but it skips some packets
2018-07-08T18:55:46 < vampi-the-frog> and libopencm3 has trouble even enumerating the USB device on reset
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2018-07-08T21:17:25 < Thorn> HAL developers must be paid by the LOC, that's why they have a comment (on a separate line) and an empty line for every SLOC
2018-07-08T21:20:49 < jpa-> if by SLOC you mean "Soul Lost Of Coder", then yeah, that's their KPI
2018-07-08T21:23:26 < Steffanx> Whats wrogn with comments on a seperate line?
2018-07-08T21:23:49 < jpa-> if you do it for every line, you need infinite comments
2018-07-08T21:24:32 < Steffanx> Welcome jpa-
2018-07-08T21:24:44 < jpa-> hi steffie
2018-07-08T21:25:31 < Steffanx> What can i do for you today?
2018-07-08T21:26:15 < jpa-> figure out the meaning of life
2018-07-08T21:26:26 < Steffanx> 42?
2018-07-08T21:26:35 < jpa-> no, something more than that
2018-07-08T21:27:13 < Steffanx> oh, i cant help you then. Im not able to answer such serious question in ##stm32
2018-07-08T21:27:23 < bitmask> think my plotter strut will work? https://i.imgur.com/UkCJazO.png
2018-07-08T21:27:38 < jpa-> Steffanx: ok, perhaps you could just paste a link to some joke that i won't understand
2018-07-08T21:27:41 < bitmask> it looks like a guitar fly swatter
2018-07-08T21:27:49 < Steffanx> idk, have a pic of what you'll do with it?
2018-07-08T21:27:52 < Thorn> at least it's not medieval themed
2018-07-08T21:27:57 < Steffanx> @ bitmask
2018-07-08T21:28:12 < jpa-> does everyone here hack on their bed?
2018-07-08T21:28:36 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDUmo4mAWk0 there you go jpa-
2018-07-08T21:28:37 < jpa-> or is it just the only horizontal surface that is free?
2018-07-08T21:28:46 < bitmask> its to connect the far stepper motors together to create a closed rectangle, the unconnected ends move around too much
2018-07-08T21:29:17 < bitmask> I'm staying at my gf's parents house while I finish school, no room here
2018-07-08T21:31:43 < Steffanx> pic of what you designed in your CAD tool then?
2018-07-08T21:32:07 < vampi-the-frog> yeah show us your tool you cad
2018-07-08T21:33:41 < Steffanx> Or did you suddenly speak dutch, jpa-?
2018-07-08T21:34:40 < jpa-> Steffanx: no, and google translate didn't help much either
2018-07-08T21:35:07 < jpa-> i did understand enough to know that it was a racist joke, but i wouldn't have expected anything else from you!
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2018-07-08T21:38:58 < Steffanx> Is not racist.
2018-07-08T21:39:17 < Steffanx> But a non-dutchie would thing it is.
2018-07-08T21:39:21 < Steffanx> *think
2018-07-08T21:39:59 < Steffanx> but yeah, the live translation makes no sense, tried it as well.
2018-07-08T21:41:04 < jpa-> i'll pay you back with this  https://hs.mediadelivery.fi/img/1920/178eb101103a4346a50adf5b8c2ae6f0.jpg
2018-07-08T21:42:33 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/hjrry70.png
2018-07-08T21:42:53 < Steffanx> that there might be a gut of salt!. Very true jpa-
2018-07-08T21:43:39 < Steffanx> Where is the fly swatter in that pic bitmask?
2018-07-08T21:43:49 < Cracki> placenta on a platter
2018-07-08T21:43:54 < Steffanx> oh in the back. i thought it was shapped differently.
2018-07-08T21:44:05 < bitmask> its the pattern on the bottom of the mounts
2018-07-08T21:44:08 < bitmask> yea
2018-07-08T21:44:15 < Steffanx> *shape
2018-07-08T21:44:16 < Steffanx> d
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2018-07-08T21:46:05 < vampi-the-frog> medieval castle 2D plotter?
2018-07-08T21:46:23 < bitmask> yea, figured id have some fun with the design since it was my first 3d printing project
2018-07-08T21:47:02 < vampi-the-frog> no machiculations?
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2018-07-08T21:47:30 < bitmask> there will be when I print the tops
2018-07-08T21:48:04 < bitmask> i left places to screw tops on but they arent necessary so I gotta get it working before I print something just for decoration
2018-07-08T21:49:15 < vampi-the-frog> well, nice job
2018-07-08T21:49:26 < bitmask> thanks
2018-07-08T21:49:27 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/zXNhavZ.png
2018-07-08T21:49:35 < bitmask> thats an old one I was trying
2018-07-08T21:50:09 < bitmask> I'll probably do the tops similar to that but the rest of it changed considerably
2018-07-08T21:51:24 < vampi-the-frog> fake machiculations
2018-07-08T21:51:33 < vampi-the-frog> make real ones
2018-07-08T21:51:39 < vampi-the-frog> have you watched shad's videos?
2018-07-08T21:51:40 < bitmask> they are real, they go through
2018-07-08T21:51:49 < vampi-the-frog> oh right they do
2018-07-08T21:51:52 < vampi-the-frog> it's hard to see
2018-07-08T21:51:53 < bitmask> no? I didnt even know what they were before I started this project
2018-07-08T21:52:07 < vampi-the-frog> they're spaces to shoot arrows through
2018-07-08T21:52:10 < vampi-the-frog> or molten lava
2018-07-08T21:52:11 < bitmask> yea I know
2018-07-08T21:52:13 < bitmask> now
2018-07-08T21:52:22 < vampi-the-frog> search for 'Shadiversity' on YT
2018-07-08T21:52:28 < vampi-the-frog> the guy's crazy about machiculations
2018-07-08T21:52:34 < vampi-the-frog> he even sells shirts with the word on them
2018-07-08T21:54:01 < bitmask> ugh I gotta work on my thesis paper, this chapter is taking forever
2018-07-08T21:54:39 < jpa-> let ##stm32 write it for you
2018-07-08T21:54:45 < bitmask> haha no...
2018-07-08T21:55:12 < jpa-> we can also write love letters for your gf
2018-07-08T21:55:31 < bitmask> its supposed to be 25 pages, I have about 16 already and I'm just finishing chapter 2
2018-07-08T21:55:38 < bitmask> (of 5)
2018-07-08T21:55:48 < BrainDamage> we accept both credit cards and soul as payment forms
2018-07-08T21:56:11 < Steffanx> buttcoins?
2018-07-08T21:56:23 < BrainDamage> let's not go that far
2018-07-08T21:56:27 < vampi-the-frog> Dear Shaneeqwa
2018-07-08T21:56:33 < bitmask> I needs food, bbl
2018-07-08T21:56:43 < vampi-the-frog> Your black ass will know the true meaning of punishment with my hard cock energy.
2018-07-08T21:56:53 < vampi-the-frog> Yours, bitmask.
2018-07-08T21:57:21 < bitmask> umm
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2018-07-08T21:59:08 < vampi-the-frog> Your large, heaving, twerking big black booty.
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2018-07-08T22:01:47 < vampi-the-frog> this is why I love aliexpress https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Printer-Panel-Mount-Cable-Screw-Mini-USB-5-Pin-Male-to-USB-2-0-B-Female/32827112302.html
2018-07-08T22:03:52 < Thorn> why are helicopter parts so fkn expensive https://www.ebay.com/itm/Robinson-R66-C005-13-Main-Rotor-Blade-matched-set/332654643459
2018-07-08T22:04:10 < vampi-the-frog> because your life depends on them?
2018-07-08T22:08:18 < Steffanx> Hmm, is that whats something makes expensive?
2018-07-08T22:08:25 < Steffanx> -s
2018-07-08T22:08:30 < Thorn> https://www.ebay.com/itm/0711311-202-Cylinder-NEW-SA/232111874525
2018-07-08T22:09:13 < vampi-the-frog> you're bored Thorn 
2018-07-08T22:09:43 < Steffanx> Lets but some o-rings: https://www.ebay.com/itm/O-Ring-Cylinder-Base-NEW-P-N-71481-SA/232111877911
2018-07-08T22:12:24 < Thorn> https://www.ebay.com/itm/37C311098P102-59617-GE-CJ610-Turbojet-CF700-Turbofan-Aircraft-Ignition-Lead/283045545379
2018-07-08T22:14:50 < Steffanx> Should you be looking for Tupolev Tu-95 parts Thorn?
2018-07-08T22:15:42 < Steffanx> *shouldnt
2018-07-08T22:15:57 < Thorn> you see comrade, when one crashes there will be lots of parts
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2018-07-08T22:21:52 < bitmask> so dont crash
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2018-07-08T23:33:23 < Steffanx> Welcome comrade stvn
2018-07-08T23:33:53 < stvn> Welcome
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2018-07-08T23:34:30 < stvn> My capacitors are sailing home
2018-07-08T23:35:39 < Steffanx> Multi layered sails there the best.
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2018-07-08T23:40:20 < stvn> I roll them down a hill
2018-07-08T23:40:44 < stvn> If possible
2018-07-08T23:53:51 < Thorn> so you can connect multiple phys to a single smi interface but you can't do the same with mii/rmii, correct?
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2018-07-09T00:18:43 < bitmask> alright, chapter 2 itself is finally done, only a week late, 10 pages and I still have to annotate the bibliography which will add about 2 pages
2018-07-09T00:27:02 < Steffanx> quantity over quality right? :P
2018-07-09T00:32:01 < stvn> Thanks for the fish
2018-07-09T00:36:20 < Steffanx> https://community.st.com/thread/46861-pid-sublicencing didnt know ST did that.
2018-07-09T00:38:59 < Thorn> what about MAC addresses?
2018-07-09T00:40:09 < Steffanx> idk, id just buy a microchip eeprom/mac address chip for that.
2018-07-09T00:42:49 < zyp> Steffanx, booked the last hotels and stuff for the vacation now
2018-07-09T00:42:53 < Steffanx> oh noes.
2018-07-09T00:42:55 < zyp> I'll see you on the 31. ;)
2018-07-09T00:42:56 < invzim> I got a couple of pid's here ages ago https://www.mcselec.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=92&category_id=20&option=com_phpshop&Itemid=1
2018-07-09T00:42:56 < Steffanx> its real.
2018-07-09T00:43:21 < Steffanx> but that vid has been revoked invzim.
2018-07-09T00:43:31 < Steffanx> not that it can be reused, but .. still revoked
2018-07-09T00:44:08 < invzim> any practical implications?
2018-07-09T00:44:27 < Steffanx> none, i think.
2018-07-09T00:44:31 < invzim> my previous usb thingy for sale used a microchip vid + pid
2018-07-09T00:44:43 < Steffanx> oh zyp got a openmoko id.
2018-07-09T00:44:55 < zyp> I got several
2018-07-09T00:45:00 < zyp> (four, so far)
2018-07-09T00:45:24 < invzim> you have 4 vid's for your personal stuff?
2018-07-09T00:45:38 < Steffanx> personal open sores stuff he sells i assume
2018-07-09T00:45:53 < zyp> yeah
2018-07-09T00:46:08 < zyp> for oneoffs I just use 1234:5678 or something
2018-07-09T00:46:27 < Steffanx> My stuff still shows up as arcin, should fix that :P
2018-07-09T00:47:15 < zyp> IIRC PaulFertser is one of the admins of the openmoko ids, I think he approved my last request
2018-07-09T00:47:41 < stvn> arcin is stm32 approved Steffanx
2018-07-09T00:47:58 < stvn> I dunno what I’ll use mine for
2018-07-09T00:48:15 < Steffanx> you have an arcin?
2018-07-09T00:48:24 < stvn> Not yet
2018-07-09T00:48:51 < stvn> In my imagination there is a shop
2018-07-09T00:49:00 < Steffanx> business is done in ##stm32
2018-07-09T00:49:15 < stvn> Like the stroopwafel trade
2018-07-09T00:49:37 < stvn> I think this train is taking a nap
2018-07-09T00:52:37 < Steffanx> aha
2018-07-09T00:55:44 < zyp> stvn, https://store.jvnv.net/ <- this one?
2018-07-09T00:55:59 < Steffanx> What do you expect on the 31th mr zyp? City tour?
2018-07-09T00:57:20 < zyp> idk, grab dinner somewhere, maybe?
2018-07-09T00:58:26 < stvn> Ty
2018-07-09T00:58:44 < Steffanx> ok, we'll see then zyp.
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2018-07-09T00:58:56 < Steffanx> didnt you sell your CRT stvn?
2018-07-09T00:59:06 < Steffanx> arcade can only be done using a CRT.
2018-07-09T00:59:12 < zyp> not really expecting much, just fun to put a face to the name
2018-07-09T00:59:23 < Steffanx> hah ok
2018-07-09T00:59:35 < stvn> I have lots of crt
2018-07-09T00:59:44 < zyp> I'm all out of crt
2018-07-09T00:59:55 < stvn> Oh noes
2018-07-09T01:00:06 < Steffanx> Yessir. What do i need a CRT for?
2018-07-09T01:00:19 < Steffanx> The last CRT we had was an actual person and even that guy left.
2018-07-09T01:00:21 < Steffanx> We got stvn instead.
2018-07-09T01:00:29 < stvn> Ah
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2018-07-09T01:03:04 < stvn> Muh games
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2018-07-09T01:12:48 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCA5pInfPpM
2018-07-09T01:16:08 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/NsS0l.jpg <- I got a rack cabinet the other day
2018-07-09T01:16:25 < zyp> planning to have that embedded in a wall somewhere in the new house
2018-07-09T01:18:08 < zyp> I figure that now that I have the chance, I'll run conduit from all rooms to a proper rack
2018-07-09T01:19:06 < zyp> and unlike traditional switch cabinets, that thing doesn't take up a ton of depth, but still fits proper switches
2018-07-09T01:21:03 < Thorn> http://blackboardsinporn.blogspot.com/
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2018-07-09T02:40:15 < kakimir> vulcan bomber in falkland war did the longest bombing run in history in the year 1982
2018-07-09T02:40:35 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck#/media/File:Refuelling.plan.black.buck.svg refueling plan
2018-07-09T02:45:11 < bitmask> DONE! 13 pages...
2018-07-09T02:45:29 < bitmask> and hey! Steffanx ... quantity AND quality :)
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2018-07-09T10:18:48 < stvn> Hi
2018-07-09T10:21:47 < englishman> Hi,
2018-07-09T10:30:09 < stvn> greetings
2018-07-09T10:32:43 < Steffanx> Wb the englishman and le stvn.
2018-07-09T10:33:17 < stvn> o/
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2018-07-09T10:57:28 < Steffanx> Have you bought the leaf range extended yet, or didnt you see it englishman ?
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2018-07-09T11:24:49 < stvn> ~
2018-07-09T11:30:32 < stvn> Steffan https://youtu.be/paNZBqMvYyE
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2018-07-09T11:50:43 < Steffanx> -_-
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2018-07-09T12:38:39 -!- mode/##stm32 [-b *!*@*freenode*] by Steffanx
2018-07-09T12:39:15 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by Steffanx
2018-07-09T12:45:17 < stvn> lol
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2018-07-09T14:43:29 < Laurenceb__> dead in here
2018-07-09T14:48:09 < Laurenceb__>  oh I see, ##stm32 are meeting in irl https://imgoat.com/uploads/02cb962ac5/122117.jpg
2018-07-09T14:50:22 < Laurenceb__> wait wtf https://www.newbritishunion.co.uk/ this shit is real
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2018-07-09T15:15:50 < invzim> doooh
2018-07-09T15:16:05 < invzim> got me a couple of big frameless stencils
2018-07-09T15:16:51 < invzim> didn't really check jlcpcbs spec, 38x28cm is pretty big for a non-panelized tiny board
2018-07-09T15:17:25 < invzim> guess I can dremel it down to a managable size
2018-07-09T15:23:55 < Laurenceb__> dont they do panelization?
2018-07-09T15:24:01 < Laurenceb__> most of the cheap pcb places do 
2018-07-09T15:24:28 < invzim> they do - this one was not panelized, just protostuff
2018-07-09T15:32:57 < Steffanx> Hah i got a huge stencil as well, but it was manageble on my desk ( just moved all shit out of the way)
2018-07-09T15:34:16 < Steffanx> My board was 5x4.6cm
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2018-07-09T15:53:32 < Sadale> Laurenceb__, somehow that outfit reminds me of the previous German regime.
2018-07-09T15:56:49 < BrainDamage> probably a reference how his "free speech" is beng suppressed
2018-07-09T15:57:25 < Laurenceb__> it does look a bit Poetastic
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2018-07-09T16:07:22 < Laurenceb__> maybe I should join
2018-07-09T16:14:06 < Steffanx> Im sure you wont
2018-07-09T16:17:52 < Laurenceb__> virgin versus chad guy spotted fourth from left
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2018-07-09T16:29:00 < jpa-> invzim: you can cut frameless stencils with scissors
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2018-07-09T16:51:05 < dongs> yeah scissors work great for it
2018-07-09T16:51:17 < dongs> sometimes chinks send me frameless stuff with sharp corners, I round them up with scirrosr
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2018-07-09T16:57:20 < englishman> Steffanx: lol that scammer has no idea what he's in for
2018-07-09T17:03:19 < Steffanx> He has some idea. Im sure of that.
2018-07-09T17:05:17 < Steffanx> And not a scammer either. Such negativity englishman 
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2018-07-09T19:46:13 < Thorn> nice. ethernet frame is 66 bytes long, contains a udp(v4) datagram. guess the payload size
2018-07-09T19:48:12 < antto> 0?
2018-07-09T19:48:17 < Thorn> 24 bytes
2018-07-09T19:48:26 < antto> i didn't get the joke
2018-07-09T19:48:44 < antto> the whole thing turns 90 bytes?
2018-07-09T19:49:01 < Thorn> the whole thing is 66 bytes
2018-07-09T19:49:18 < Thorn> of which 36% is useful data
2018-07-09T19:49:26 < antto> oh.. well
2018-07-09T19:49:31 < antto> "ethernet"
2018-07-09T19:49:31 < Thorn> the rest is ethernet, ip and udp headers
2018-07-09T19:49:49 < antto> of course.. the magic doesn't work on... "magic"
2018-07-09T19:50:05 < Thorn> and there is also preamble/crc aiui which are not captured
2018-07-09T19:50:46 < antto> if ya want moar useful use synchronous communications ;P~
2018-07-09T19:51:20 < antto> like SPI or uSart
2018-07-09T19:51:45 < antto> altho, i think uSart still uses them start/stop bits.. hm..
2018-07-09T19:52:06 < antto> yes.. it must
2018-07-09T19:52:21 < antto> cuz the clock runs all teh time
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2018-07-09T20:03:12 < vampi-the-frog> I think you can disable the start and stop bits
2018-07-09T20:03:18 < vampi-the-frog> or at least the stop bit
2018-07-09T20:03:25 < vampi-the-frog> and use synchronous clock too
2018-07-09T20:03:41 < vampi-the-frog> maybe transmit words instead of bytes too
2018-07-09T20:04:21 < vampi-the-frog> or you can use DMA and transmit 8 or 16 bits per clock cycle and also output the clock
2018-07-09T20:04:36 < vampi-the-frog> but that would take 9 or 17 pins of your mcu
2018-07-09T20:04:46 < vampi-the-frog> or however many you want, really
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2018-07-09T20:08:09 < antto> oh, parallel?
2018-07-09T20:08:16 < antto> mm.. wellz..
2018-07-09T20:08:26 < antto> i've only done usart on at(x)mega
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2018-07-09T20:11:37 < Thorn> I'm not even talking about line coding but rather about protocol overhead
2018-07-09T20:14:16 < zyp> Thorn, the fun part is how minimum packet size is 64 bytes, so even if your payload is only a byte, you gotta send 64 :p
2018-07-09T20:14:38 < zyp> then you're talking 1.5% useful data
2018-07-09T20:14:39 < Thorn> yeah I'm reading about it now
2018-07-09T20:15:27 < zyp> on the other hand, MTU is typically 1500, and the header size doesn't change whether you're sending one byte or 1k
2018-07-09T20:15:41 < Thorn> #define ETH_MIN_ETH_PAYLOAD  46U
2018-07-09T20:15:57 < Thorn> where is ATM
2018-07-09T20:16:01 < zyp> yeah
2018-07-09T20:16:02 < Thorn> why did it die
2018-07-09T20:16:16 < Thorn> or MPLS
2018-07-09T20:16:30 < zyp> 6 bytes source, 6 bytes destination, 2 bytes ethertype and 4 bytes crc leaves 46 bytes of 64
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2018-07-09T21:37:11 < kakimir> blaxter
2018-07-09T21:41:21 < bitmask> hmm half my print has turned to spaghetti but I don't want to cancel it
2018-07-09T21:45:59 < zyp> haha
2018-07-09T21:46:21 < kakimir> de faque?
2018-07-09T21:46:28 < Steffanx> why wouldnt you mr bitmask?
2018-07-09T21:46:36 < Steffanx> Going for modern art?
2018-07-09T21:46:57 < zyp> just tape the failed part back down so it keeps building on it
2018-07-09T21:47:24 < zyp> otherwise it'll keep attaching shit to the other part that didn't fail
2018-07-09T21:50:24 < Steffanx> lol welcome in 2018, where f-ing on-board audio driver is 286+MB
2018-07-09T21:50:45 < zyp> hørlig sjåfør
2018-07-09T21:51:39 < Steffanx> Yes, that
2018-07-09T21:51:55 < kakimir> rpi3b+ 29,90eur - buy or not?
2018-07-09T21:52:18 < zyp> you need it?
2018-07-09T21:52:46 < kakimir> sure
2018-07-09T21:55:03 < bitmask> haha its a plate full of gears and 3 of the 8 or so are ruined but as long as the one ruined one stays put it will block the spaghetti from reaching the rest
2018-07-09T21:56:38 < Steffanx> i have a spare one, you can buy it for 29.89 
2018-07-09T21:57:01 < Steffanx> Got it with an arrow order, for free.
2018-07-09T22:00:08 < bitmask> its building on top of the spaghetti pretty well https://i.imgur.com/BJSDFs0.jpg
2018-07-09T22:12:13 < Steffanx> At least you know what's for dinner
2018-07-09T22:12:33 < BrainDamage> PLA?
2018-07-09T22:13:31 < bitmask> yup
2018-07-09T22:13:34 < bitmask> not sure why its curling so bad
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2018-07-09T22:13:38 < bitmask> I think I need a new fan duct
2018-07-09T22:14:04 < bitmask> its only on a few gear tips I guess
2018-07-09T22:15:09 < invzim> he jlpcb is pretty good
2018-07-09T22:15:14 < invzim> jlcpcb
2018-07-09T22:15:16 < invzim> or whatever
2018-07-09T22:15:28 < Steffanx> jlc isnt bad indeed.
2018-07-09T22:15:32 < invzim> first time I've gotten soldermask between 0.5mm pitch components
2018-07-09T22:25:20 < karlp> Thorn: why wouyld you think mpls would help you?
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2018-07-09T22:31:10 < invzim> mpls?
2018-07-09T22:31:13  * invzim checks channel
2018-07-09T22:35:12 < zyp> karlp, presumably because a MPLS label is four byte overhead an ethernet header is 18 bytes
2018-07-09T22:35:25 < zyp> nevermind that you usually get both :p
2018-07-09T22:35:54 < karlp> yeah, I was like, "ummmm, mpls is ~always on top of ethernet already.... it's not the hammer you're looking for..."
2018-07-09T22:38:25 < zyp> hmm, mpls doesn't seem to have an ethertype field like 802.1q does, how does that work in practice? do you run another ethernet layer on top of mpls on top of ethernet?
2018-07-09T22:39:49 < zyp> or I guess you can run layer 3 directly on top of MPLS
2018-07-09T22:39:59 < invzim> mpls has an ethertype
2018-07-09T22:40:03 < zyp> yes
2018-07-09T22:40:35 < zyp> so when you put the mpls ethertype in the main ethernet header, where do you put the ethertype of the payload?
2018-07-09T22:40:46 < invzim> you don't
2018-07-09T22:41:08 < invzim> depends on the traffic you stuff into mpls
2018-07-09T22:41:13 < invzim> the endpoint knows
2018-07-09T22:41:37 < zyp> right, that's what I just guessed
2018-07-09T22:41:53 < invzim> the receiver is the one that decides which label is mapped to what, the sender has to adhere to that
2018-07-09T22:43:18 < zyp> makes sense
2018-07-09T22:43:18 < karlp> and everthing else is just transport
2018-07-09T22:43:20 < invzim> then you have label stacking, different mpls label distribution protocols etc etc - it's not supercomplicated, but hard to orient oneself if it's new material and you have no 'good design'
2018-07-09T22:43:34 < karlp> it's just a workaround for enterprise legacy network interrop
2018-07-09T22:43:46 < invzim> ...?
2018-07-09T22:44:20 < karlp> no-one _likes_ mpls, it was just a way that got shit done, using existing ethernet hardware.
2018-07-09T22:44:22 < invzim> I've done mpls networking for too many years - generally two main applications, traffic engineering to route stuff around where you want it and vpn's
2018-07-09T22:44:28 < karlp> yeah, vpls.
2018-07-09T22:44:42 < karlp> but it was all done this way because you could use existing ethernet hardware for it.
2018-07-09T22:44:56 < invzim> not really
2018-07-09T22:45:09 < invzim> MPLS was a way to route IP really fast without doing pr hop IP lookup
2018-07-09T22:45:13 < invzim> originally
2018-07-09T22:45:21 < zyp> that was my impression too
2018-07-09T22:45:21 < karlp> yes, ie, using the underlying ethernet silicon
2018-07-09T22:45:29 < invzim> no
2018-07-09T22:45:33 < zyp> label switching is cheaper than ip routing
2018-07-09T22:45:36 < invzim> you need fancypants silicon to do mpls
2018-07-09T22:45:52 < invzim> that USED to be the case, but in practice - you need the goodstuff
2018-07-09T22:46:13 < karlp> when we built it all at cisco it was on the existing hardware, for a reason.
2018-07-09T22:46:20 < invzim> juniper, cisco, alcatel/nokia and recently huawei
2018-07-09T22:46:26 < karlp> who knows what they're doing now, but it was all reusing existing platforms,
2018-07-09T22:46:32 < karlp> it was a software addition
2018-07-09T22:46:49  * invzim used to be a cisco head
2018-07-09T22:46:59  * karlp still has an employees.org login somewhere too
2018-07-09T22:47:09  * invzim still has his CCIE :)
2018-07-09T22:47:17 < karlp> I was not in that world :)
2018-07-09T22:47:41 < karlp> I was an assembly monkey 
2018-07-09T22:48:00 < zyp> aren't highend networking gear full of fpgas? software additions can change a lot
2018-07-09T22:48:01 < karlp> but I was mostly on qos, the other ugys in the team had mpls and vpls.
2018-07-09T22:48:58 < invzim> zyp: kindof, at least before
2018-07-09T22:48:59 < karlp> none of the stuff we were on was fpgas, just very flexible asics.
2018-07-09T22:49:37 < invzim> the largest stuff is too big/fast to be practical in FPGA's
2018-07-09T22:49:39 < karlp> and I swear, mpls was designed around what those could do with sw chagnes, not around what would be "best"
2018-07-09T22:49:52 < invzim> but sure, open a juniper router, especially the older ones and you will find quite a few fpgas
2018-07-09T22:50:39 < invzim> karlp: yes originally, IP routing with large tables were too tricky
2018-07-09T22:50:43 < invzim> for Cisco
2018-07-09T22:50:53 < invzim> then Juniper M40 came around and changed everything
2018-07-09T22:52:19 < zyp> invzim, so you're a networking guy?
2018-07-09T22:52:40 < karlp> m40 is same era as the hw I was on, when the fud and propaganda was flying thick and fast in all directions :)
2018-07-09T22:52:48 < invzim> I guess I am, I do a lot of stuff
2018-07-09T22:52:58 < zyp> do you do fiber? :p
2018-07-09T22:53:15 < invzim> I'm not super current on the latest optical stuff
2018-07-09T22:53:17 < invzim> but sure :)
2018-07-09T22:53:31 < zyp> as in, do you have access to a fusion splicer?
2018-07-09T22:53:42 < invzim> no, we pay people to do that stuff :)
2018-07-09T22:53:47 < invzim> you can rent one tho
2018-07-09T22:53:54 < zyp> hehe
2018-07-09T22:54:00 < zyp> any idea how much that is?
2018-07-09T22:54:03 < invzim> not from me
2018-07-09T22:54:16 < zyp> sure, but ballpark
2018-07-09T22:54:16 < invzim> shouldn't be too bad, they've come down a lot last few years
2018-07-09T22:54:28 < invzim> a few thousand for a week?
2018-07-09T22:54:32 < invzim> Never rented
2018-07-09T22:55:03 < invzim> https://alcadon.no/ these guys do rental I think
2018-07-09T22:55:19 < invzim> yup, https://alcadon.no/instrument-utleie
2018-07-09T22:55:22 < sync> zyp: I have one
2018-07-09T22:56:35 < zyp> sync, you're too far away
2018-07-09T22:56:56 < zyp> I figure I'll probably just gonna try field assembly connectors first to avoid splicing
2018-07-09T22:57:25 < zyp> and if that doesn't work out, maybe ask a local company how much they want to come do a few splices
2018-07-09T22:57:26 < invzim> what are you building?
2018-07-09T22:58:11 < zyp> I just figure I'm gonna want to run fiber for 10G in the new houe
2018-07-09T22:58:13 < zyp> house
2018-07-09T22:58:31 < invzim> zyp: best if you know someone, cold calling those guys is never a good idea - they will screw you over the best they can
2018-07-09T22:58:43 < zyp> yeah
2018-07-09T22:59:02 < zyp> unfortunately the only guy I know just moved up north
2018-07-09T22:59:07 < sync> I was suprised how expensive the splicers are, there is nothing fancy in there
2018-07-09T23:01:07 < zyp> previous place I lived, I ran a fiber cable through a conduit that already had two cat5 cables: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/h2qcM.JPG https://bin.jvnv.net/file/uT2Ih.JPG
2018-07-09T23:01:29 < zyp> just cut the end of a long cord, pulled it through and got my pal to splice it back together
2018-07-09T23:02:07 < invzim> ftth cable these days is thinner and pretty much as flexible as cat cabling
2018-07-09T23:02:22 < zyp> when the new house is done next year, I figure I'm gonna want to do a few fiber runs there too
2018-07-09T23:02:43 < invzim> ask the company running the electricity to do it for you?
2018-07-09T23:03:06 < invzim> you're probably going to neg price with them anyway
2018-07-09T23:03:26 < invzim> ah, one tip - run single mode
2018-07-09T23:03:36 < zyp> why?
2018-07-09T23:03:40 < invzim> for some reason, some people have this 30 year old rule to do multimode in-house
2018-07-09T23:04:04 < zyp> well, duh, you can run -LR on multimode, but you can't run -SR on singlemode
2018-07-09T23:04:25 < invzim> better availability of optics, price is the same, you can splice external fiber to your in-house etc etc
2018-07-09T23:04:31 < invzim> there really is no good reason to do mm
2018-07-09T23:04:57 < invzim> + availability of inspection, tools, personell etc - they prob do 90% singlemode
2018-07-09T23:07:46 < invzim> the price is the same or lower, so why limit yourself - it's a bit like not using cat5/cat6 for analog phones
2018-07-09T23:15:54 < zyp> as far as I can see, -SR transceivers are half the cost of -LR
2018-07-09T23:18:15 < zyp> difference is not all that big though, might consider it
2018-07-09T23:18:44 < invzim> https://www.fs.com/products/11591.html
2018-07-09T23:18:49 < invzim> or something
2018-07-09T23:19:04 < zyp> yes, exactly
2018-07-09T23:19:07 < invzim> If you're building a house, it won't matter :)
2018-07-09T23:19:32 < zyp> haha, true
2018-07-09T23:19:40 < invzim> unless it's a really big house with a LOT of fiber :)
2018-07-09T23:19:46 < zyp> unlikely
2018-07-09T23:19:58 < zyp> :p
2018-07-09T23:21:21 < zyp> on the other hand, I suspect multimode will be less picky about termination quality, so doing field connectors with multimode might be more reliable
2018-07-09T23:21:55 < zyp> and if I can run the cable cheaply, it'll be trivial to replace it with singlemode in the future if required
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2018-07-09T23:31:48 < invzim> is the color on dispensing tip a standard?
2018-07-09T23:31:52 < invzim> tips
2018-07-09T23:32:09 < invzim> oddest thing just happened, the needle on my sticky flux got jammed up
2018-07-09T23:32:19 < invzim> and looks like it was the last 'green' I had
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2018-07-09T23:47:23 < Thorn> Progress launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rnPKRXQ3dY
2018-07-09T23:49:17 < stvn> Ty
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2018-07-09T23:53:14 < stvn> Elon killed all the children
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2018-07-10T00:19:15 < Steffanx> Elon didnt do shit
2018-07-10T00:30:04 < zyp> he built the thing though
2018-07-10T00:31:40 < Thorn> why are they using chained descriptor mode in the HAL driver
2018-07-10T00:31:51 < zyp> ethernet?
2018-07-10T00:31:53 < Thorn> they have an array of descriptors anyway
2018-07-10T00:31:57 < Thorn> yes
2018-07-10T00:32:06 < zyp> does it have both chained and array mode?
2018-07-10T00:32:21 < zyp> been a few years since I touched ethernet on stm32
2018-07-10T00:32:32 < Thorn> it does, and array (ring) mode would be more natural
2018-07-10T00:32:50 < zyp> hmm
2018-07-10T00:32:59 < zyp> idk
2018-07-10T00:33:05 < Thorn> half as many descriptors required too
2018-07-10T00:33:11 < zyp> the TI stuff I'm using at work only has chained, I believe
2018-07-10T00:33:32 < zyp> currently I'm only using one descriptor for tx and one for rx
2018-07-10T00:34:42 < Thorn> hm wait, you can have 2 buffers per descriptor in ring mode but only 1 packet can fit into them anyway, there is one set of flags per descriptor
2018-07-10T00:34:55 < zyp> ha
2018-07-10T00:35:22 < Thorn> so if I attach 2 buffers 1524 bytes each to a descriptor the 2nd buffer will basically never be used
2018-07-10T00:35:37 < Thorn> this appears to be the reason
2018-07-10T00:36:31 < zyp> well, that's natural
2018-07-10T00:37:12 < zyp> the point isn't to put multiple packets into a descriptor, the point is the ability to fragment a packet across multiple descriptors/buffers
2018-07-10T00:38:17 < Thorn> why did they bother with the ring mode at all then
2018-07-10T00:38:27 < Thorn> silicon isn't free
2018-07-10T00:38:50 < zyp> well, you can reference two buffers from one descriptor
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2018-07-10T00:40:20 < kakimir> yes
2018-07-10T00:40:46 < kakimir> katkonetti2 back to business
2018-07-10T00:41:16 < kakimir> "brokenbit2"
2018-07-10T00:41:17 < zyp> you can do something like a net_write() from your user code with a payload buffer, handing it to the network stack, and then the network stack can fill another buffer with headers, and then make a descriptor referencing both buffers and hand it to the ethernet DMA
2018-07-10T00:41:22 < kakimir> my irssi box
2018-07-10T00:41:55 < zyp> that way you don't have to copy the payload data from the write buffer to a packet buffer
2018-07-10T00:42:13 < Thorn> is that possible with lwip etc lol?
2018-07-10T00:46:43 < Steffanx> Webchat is back into business as well kakimir
2018-07-10T00:47:30 < Thorn> T-5 min
2018-07-10T00:47:30 < kakimir> we need AI
2018-07-10T00:48:08 < stvn> Some people would call irc ‘mirc’
2018-07-10T00:48:29 < kakimir> that detects Laurenceb__ by the first message he sends
2018-07-10T00:48:52 < stvn> Well that’s easy
2018-07-10T00:50:00 < stvn> dr.meme
2018-07-10T00:53:07 < zyp> BOIK CO NUR
2018-07-10T00:53:14 < zyp> quality subtitles on that youtube
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2018-07-10T00:53:39 < stvn> Hmmm
2018-07-10T00:54:03 < stvn> I was watching a giant cartoon head exploding
2018-07-10T00:54:51 < stvn> https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-11-24-donkey-kong-diva-denied-in-cartoon-network-depiction-lawsuit
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2018-07-10T02:54:32 < Thorn> are there microcontrollers that support ethercat?
2018-07-10T02:54:51 < Thorn> https://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/promopages/xmc4300_4800-EtherCAT/
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2018-07-10T06:39:02 < dale6998> if i'm using TIM1 and TIM8 on an F405, and I have two structs that call a function that manipulates their respective TIM1 and TIM2 structures, how should I declare that function?
2018-07-10T06:39:07 < dale6998> If I'm using HAL
2018-07-10T06:39:19 < dongs> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tab-less/mdndkociaebjkggmhnemegoegnbfbgoo this is the best thing to happen with chrome
2018-07-10T06:39:22 < dongs> dale6998: what
2018-07-10T06:39:30 < dale6998> Is this legal?:  void motor_init(motor *c, TIM_TypeDef *sTimer);
2018-07-10T06:39:32 < dongs> so you've written a HAL on top of HAL which is on top of retarded stlib? congrats
2018-07-10T06:40:01 < dongs> doens't HAL require some different Timer object handle?
2018-07-10T06:40:10 < dongs> TIM_TypeDef sounds like the header defintoin for the peripheral
2018-07-10T06:40:56 < dongs> what you want to pass is whatever HAL functions expect as an argument
2018-07-10T06:41:19 < dale6998> I'm not sure...I can't tell what TIM1 really is...It's #defined somewhere in their bullshit as #define TIM1                ((TIM_TypeDef *) TIM1_BASE)
2018-07-10T06:41:21 < dongs> TIM_HandleTypeDef looks like its that
2018-07-10T06:41:44 < dongs> i know what it is, its just peripheral address with TIm_TypeDef being the struct defining the peripheral registers
2018-07-10T06:41:44 < dale6998> wtf...
2018-07-10T06:42:15 < dongs> i mean, what the fuck are you doing inside motor_)init()? obviously pass the params that you'll be using inside it. 
2018-07-10T06:42:21 < dongs> not even sure why its a question
2018-07-10T06:42:54 < dale6998> well, i'm running two motors on the same microcontroller using the hardware pwm outputs
2018-07-10T06:43:13 < dongs> that has nothing to do with my comment...
2018-07-10T06:44:31 < dale6998> that's my question...how do i pass in TIM1 to a function?  either I'm going to be doing it with motor_init, or I'm going to have to do it later on with any functions that have to update the timer associated with the particular motor i'm going to modify
2018-07-10T06:44:42 < dongs> if y ou're using HAL_Timer stuff functions inside _init then you pass TIM_HandleTypeDef... if you're directly accessing timer registers by doing TIMx->CCR = foo etc then you only need to pass the TIM_TypeDef *TIMx ...
2018-07-10T06:44:48 < dongs> you just do
2018-07-10T06:45:18 < dale6998> i just do
2018-07-10T06:45:35 < dongs> void foo(TIM_TypeDef *TIMx); foo(TIM1);
2018-07-10T06:45:38 < dale6998> yeah, i'm directly accessing the registers
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2018-07-10T06:45:51 < dongs> and TIMx->CCR = etc.
2018-07-10T06:45:53 < dale6998> ahh!  no & ?
2018-07-10T06:46:04 < dongs> #define TIM1 ((TIM_TypeDef *) TIM1_BASE)
2018-07-10T06:46:12 < dongs> TIM1_BASE is like 0x400wahtever
2018-07-10T06:46:16 < dale6998> word....
2018-07-10T06:46:27 < dongs> so TIM1 is a pointer pointing to 0x400whatever
2018-07-10T06:46:27 < dale6998> ohhhh my god!  the base ADDRESS
2018-07-10T06:46:31 < dongs> yea dongs.
2018-07-10T06:46:36 < dale6998> faak
2018-07-10T06:46:47 < dale6998> yeah guy!
2018-07-10T06:47:01 < dale6998> you're already a pointer kid!
2018-07-10T06:47:15 < dale6998> TIM1 came ready to play
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2018-07-10T06:48:42 < stvn> Laurenceb__ have you got your loicence?
2018-07-10T06:51:57 < englishman> hello innovators
2018-07-10T07:04:10 < stvn> Hi sir
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2018-07-10T07:27:10 < antto> pfff
2018-07-10T07:28:00 < stvn> Blow it out your ass
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2018-07-10T08:33:50 < R0b0t1> dongs: https://riscv-basics.com/
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2018-07-10T09:30:02 < stvn> Yeah
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2018-07-10T09:57:21 < stvn> Show me your hardware
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2018-07-10T10:11:04 < Steffanx> My hardware is private stvn
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2018-07-10T12:02:20 < kakimir_> I wonder if I should do personal account of business account for ebay at my work
2018-07-10T12:02:28 < kakimir_> only buying shiets
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2018-07-10T12:02:39 < Haohmaru> biddness
2018-07-10T12:02:48 < Haohmaru> ask yer boss
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2018-07-10T12:09:25 < stvn> Is this any better then... Jimsy?
2018-07-10T12:10:45 < kakimir> yeah
2018-07-10T12:16:55 < stvn> If you're feeling a bit low, try a microwavable Jim Davidson joke
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2018-07-10T13:11:03 < dekar> Any recommendations for reliable JTAG adapters? Preferably Ethernet capable ones.
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2018-07-10T13:15:29 < Steffanx> Only thing i can come up with is jlink pro
2018-07-10T13:15:53 < Steffanx> Never used the ethernet one though
2018-07-10T13:17:01 < zyp> yeah, ethernet capable is going to limit your choices a lot
2018-07-10T13:17:06 < dekar> Someone recommended me this monster: https://www.lauterbach.com/frames.html?powerdebugpro.html
2018-07-10T13:17:32 < zyp> what are you going to use it for?
2018-07-10T13:17:37 < dekar> It's not mandatory, we also have a PC running during manufacturing. I mostly look for a stable solution.
2018-07-10T13:18:44 < zyp> for production flashing, wouldn't you rather want something like this: https://www.segger.com/products/production/flasher/ ?
2018-07-10T13:18:50 < karlp> rpi is an ethernet capable jtag dongle...
2018-07-10T13:18:59 < karlp> run openocd on it.
2018-07-10T13:19:05 < Steffanx> Hehe, and reliable?
2018-07-10T13:19:07 < karlp> there's gpio drivers
2018-07-10T13:19:12 < karlp> sure, pretty commonly used.
2018-07-10T13:19:13 < PeterM> I mostly look for a stable solution.
2018-07-10T13:19:24 < karlp> why would it not be reliable?
2018-07-10T13:19:30 < zyp> karlp, I thought about suggesting that, but I figured that's not what he wanted :)
2018-07-10T13:20:01 < emeryth> raspi is super reliable if you have a stack of backup sd cards
2018-07-10T13:20:16 < karlp> doesn't have to be an rpi, can be just anything you normally run openocd on...
2018-07-10T13:21:05 < dekar> Right now we use a bunch of Black Magic Probes for development, but they've proven unstable with a lot of targets. Particularly for STM32-Eval boards, probably due to signal integrity and now way to slow down the SWD clock of the BMP.
2018-07-10T13:21:40 < dekar> And they still don't support STM32H7 properly as of now.
2018-07-10T13:22:35 < dekar> I'm mainly looking for something to do manufacturing, but I may also decide to buy a bunch more for development.
2018-07-10T13:22:35 < karlp> kinda sounds like you're not going to be happy with anything _less_ than a lauterbach, regardless of what's recommended.
2018-07-10T13:23:26 < dekar> I don't think so, I feel like the Lauterbach is way overkill.
2018-07-10T13:23:43 < jpa-> development vs. production flashing seem like quite different requirements
2018-07-10T13:24:01 < dekar> Right, maybe I should look for different products when it comes to that.
2018-07-10T13:24:08 < zyp> dekar, https://shop.segger.com/Flasher_ARM_p/5.07.01.htm
2018-07-10T13:24:31 < jpa-> i do all production flashing using usb bootloader, because that's the way in-field firmware upgrades would be done anyway
2018-07-10T13:25:08 < zyp> jpa-, not everybody uses the rom bootloader though
2018-07-10T13:25:24 < jpa-> sure, not everyone even has usb connector or does in-field firmware upgrades :P
2018-07-10T13:26:02 < zyp> I like doing custom bootloaders, and then just tie boot0 low
2018-07-10T13:26:42 < zyp> using the rom bootloader to load a custom bootloader means I would have to add some boot0 stuff to the design, easier to just swd
2018-07-10T13:27:41 < dekar> So far I always used the DFU loader, but for one product I won't be able to do it. I like the idea of the segger flasher, will probably get one.
2018-07-10T13:31:34 < dekar> Do you have any recommendations for development? I've been considering to just give ST-Link another try, but we sometimes had issues on various operating systems. (Our team uses Windows, Linux and OSX)
2018-07-10T13:32:36 < dekar> Besides I kind of liked the idea of having the GDB server run on the debugger itself and not in background.
2018-07-10T13:32:53 < zyp> well, personally I also like bmp
2018-07-10T13:33:38 < jpa-> i like BMP in the idea, but it seems to have quite a bit of compatibility issues, so i'm mostly back to stlink
2018-07-10T13:33:47 < jpa-> j-link is not bad either
2018-07-10T13:33:58 < jpa-> and might work better on windows
2018-07-10T13:34:52 < dekar> My colleagues on Windows actually use ST-Link right now. Just the rest of us has BMPs.
2018-07-10T13:34:58 < zyp> I'm mostly using "older" stm32 families, and BMP has been solid for me
2018-07-10T13:35:30 < jpa-> for some reason, BMP has been real crappy on STM32F407 for me, though it has received a few fixed every now and then
2018-07-10T13:35:44 < zyp> back when the older families were new, I did some work on the BMP source to add support for newer chips
2018-07-10T13:35:49 < jpa-> feels like texane stlink back in 2011, if you find a revision that works, stick with it :P
2018-07-10T13:36:06 < zyp> haha
2018-07-10T13:36:14 < zyp> can't say I've had that problem
2018-07-10T13:37:55 < dekar> When we received our STM32H7 evaluation boards it was totally hit and miss. Some boards worked, some didn't. We then patched the BMP firmware to slow down the clock rate, but it's still unreliable.
2018-07-10T13:38:12 < zyp> what BMP hardware do you have?
2018-07-10T13:38:15 < jpa-> i have to force mass erase on STM32F4, otherwise it sometimes fails to erase the upper 512kB.. causes very fun bugs to debug when only part of the flash is crapped, and verify-sections doesn't seem to work with my version of gdb either
2018-07-10T13:38:55 < zyp> maybe the voltage translator (if your model has that) is impacting signal integrity
2018-07-10T13:39:00 < zyp> mine doesn't have that
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2018-07-10T13:39:13 < dekar> I'm only using V1. The V2.0 had even more problems for me, though they replaced mine for free.
2018-07-10T13:39:25 < zyp> what v1?
2018-07-10T13:39:46 < jpa-> i have just stm32 blue pill, but for me it seems more like software bugs than signal integrity (or if it is signal integrity, then i think it should really monitor the progress better)
2018-07-10T13:40:00 < dekar> BMP mini V1
2018-07-10T13:40:22 < zyp> ah, okay, they don't have voltage buffers
2018-07-10T13:40:42 < dekar> Yeah the bi-directional buffers caused issues with long connections for me.
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2018-07-10T13:41:30 < zyp> the ones I have are emeb's design, which is a relayout of the mini v1 schematic
2018-07-10T13:41:37 < jpa-> why are your connections so long?
2018-07-10T13:42:13 < dekar> They're not that long, it's just the routing on the ST eval boards.
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2018-07-10T13:43:18 < dekar> https://github.com/blacksphere/blackmagic/pull/319
2018-07-10T13:43:31 < dekar> That picture shows my setup.
2018-07-10T13:44:11 < jpa-> have you tried to scope it?
2018-07-10T13:44:55 < dekar> Yeah it looked like reflections.
2018-07-10T13:45:38 < zyp> maybe try changing drive strength on the gpios
2018-07-10T13:46:02 < jpa-> i'd expect any reflections in such a short cable to die out in a few nanoseconds.. but of course it could cause something edge-triggered to falsely trigger
2018-07-10T13:49:21 < dekar> Well, this wasn't the only issue we had with the BMP. And I overall feel like the overall acceptance of my colleagues has dropped quite a bit. Which is why I'm considering to find something that "just works".
2018-07-10T13:49:47 < jpa-> yeah
2018-07-10T13:49:54 < jpa-> if you find it, tell me also :P
2018-07-10T13:50:20 < jpa-> bmp has much better speed for debugging than stlink, but seems to fail in other ways for me
2018-07-10T13:51:10 < zyp> j-link works fine, but I miss the convenience of having the gdbserver running on the debugger itself
2018-07-10T13:53:39 < zyp> they have linux/macos support also
2018-07-10T13:54:47 < dekar> Sounds good, I'll probably get one or two of their debuggers for testing when I order the flasher.
2018-07-10T13:55:08 < dekar> Thanks a lot for the overall feedback!
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2018-07-10T14:38:20 < aandrew> jlink is awesomesauce
2018-07-10T14:38:49 < aandrew> I took the stm32h7 nucleo and flashed jlink on to the onboard stlink. zero issues
2018-07-10T14:39:57 < aandrew> stlink has always been hit and miss for me
2018-07-10T14:40:25 < aandrew> I blamed openocd for a long time, but then I used link with openocd and it worked just fine so it is either the stlink or the oocd drive for stlink which is doubtful
2018-07-10T14:45:16 < PaulFertser> stlink is a high level adapter, so it behaves differently. Probably it doesn't support H7 properly in its firmware.
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2018-07-10T15:04:20 < dongs> yeah using jlink with openocd is like stabbing yourself with rusty nails
2018-07-10T15:04:31 < dongs> its basically being used as a glorified buttbanging adapter
2018-07-10T15:04:50 < dongs> considering jlink has its own gdbserver tehre is like zero reasons to use it wiht openocd at all
2018-07-10T15:05:43 < Steffanx> Did you type: /soresrant ?
2018-07-10T15:05:56 < dongs> yes
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2018-07-10T16:11:04 < aandrew> really? I have *zero* issues with jlink+openocd, although most times I'm debugging with ozone now so openocd isn't coming into the picture much
2018-07-10T16:11:42 < aandrew> yes jlink has gdbserver, haven't used it much
2018-07-10T16:14:11 < zyp> I've used it, it works
2018-07-10T16:14:27 < zyp> probably five years since last I did though
2018-07-10T16:14:34 < zyp> at work now I just use ozone
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2018-07-10T16:37:36 < karlp> more super cheap pcbs.... https://www.boktech.cc/order
2018-07-10T16:39:56 < tct> wtf
2018-07-10T16:40:02 < tct> those prices are ridiculous :o
2018-07-10T16:40:23 < tct> especially in that very okay-ish lead time
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2018-07-10T16:49:11 < karlp> probably just a promo to get business
2018-07-10T16:53:21 < Steffanx> Jlcpcb is still the best for four layer :P
2018-07-10T16:53:42 < Steffanx> Stencils seem to be cheaper too.
2018-07-10T16:53:51 < Steffanx> What about shipping karlp?
2018-07-10T16:57:20 < karlp> no idea, just decided to open the spam email I got.
2018-07-10T16:57:26 < karlp> never ordered from them
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2018-07-10T16:58:59 < Sadale> ? That's ... expensive? huh
2018-07-10T16:59:27 < Sadale> That's $1 for 100x100mm, 5 pieces. Not bad I guess.
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2018-07-10T17:39:23 < karlp> woops, 505 on st.com
2018-07-10T17:43:52 < Steffanx> Works on my machine.pro
2018-07-10T17:44:21 < karlp> works again now.
2018-07-10T17:50:42 < zyp> Steffanx, they are?
2018-07-10T17:51:03 < zyp> hmm, $32 for 100x100mm, plus another $16 for ENIG, that's not too bad
2018-07-10T17:55:51 < Sadale> What does ENIG do? I'm a noob when it comes to hardware :(
2018-07-10T17:56:11 < zyp> gold plating
2018-07-10T17:58:55 < zyp> hmm, pretty good specs too
2018-07-10T17:59:10 < zyp> 3.5/3.5 track/space and 8/18 vias
2018-07-10T18:01:26 < Steffanx>  didnt do enig, zyp
2018-07-10T18:04:37 < zyp> «Soldermask Bridge/Blind and buried vias are not available now»
2018-07-10T18:04:47 < zyp> by «soldermask bridge», do they mean tented vias?
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2018-07-10T18:12:38 < Thorn> maybe they mean narrow soldermask bridges
2018-07-10T18:14:12 < Laurenceb__> sportzball's coming home
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2018-07-10T18:19:46 < Thorn> how important is enig for bga?
2018-07-10T18:20:12 < Thorn> especially for home assembly
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2018-07-10T18:25:44 < kow__> https://youtu.be/BX8rJtpTTVk?t=736
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2018-07-10T19:28:28 < Cracki> muh baxter https://twitter.com/undeadhanna1/status/1016125796291891200?s=09
2018-07-10T19:29:46 < Thorn> that's Dr. Blaxter for you
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2018-07-10T19:34:07 < Laurenceb__> muh publication history
2018-07-10T19:35:46 < Cracki> the numbers don't add up
2018-07-10T19:35:53 < Cracki> muh soccer field
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2018-07-10T19:39:16 < Laurenceb__> sportzball
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2018-07-10T19:42:35 < Cracki> 1943 style
2018-07-10T19:43:47 < Cracki> a court to play soccer on might be called "Aschenplatz" (ash court) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aschenplatz
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2018-07-10T20:12:57 < Laurenceb__> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1016063173139427329
2018-07-10T20:12:59 < Laurenceb__> lul
2018-07-10T20:15:52 < Laurenceb__> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhmPf1_U8AII5mu.jpg
2018-07-10T20:15:59 < Laurenceb__> that actually looks fairly practical
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2018-07-10T20:19:57 < Steffanx> The idea was still better than whatever you didnt come up with Laurenceb__.
2018-07-10T20:20:11 < Laurenceb__> wut
2018-07-10T20:20:16 < Steffanx> :P
2018-07-10T20:20:37 < Laurenceb__> just shoot the boys and feed them to the divers
2018-07-10T20:20:43 < Laurenceb__> ^I win the internets
2018-07-10T20:22:00 < Steffanx> How was your day Laurenceb__?
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2018-07-10T20:27:03 < Laurenceb__> https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/BADD/production/_99173874_mediaitem99173872.jpg
2018-07-10T20:27:23 < Laurenceb__> something like that
2018-07-10T20:28:46 < Steffanx> you mean, it was a nice day in your mencave
2018-07-10T20:30:00 < Laurenceb__> yes
2018-07-10T20:30:04 < Cracki> >plurality of men
2018-07-10T20:30:17 < Laurenceb__> >implying Russian grrl has a benis
2018-07-10T20:30:32 < Cracki> doesn't?
2018-07-10T20:30:41 < Cracki> sad pepe
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2018-07-10T21:06:45 < englishman> I don't appear to be missing any innovations
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2018-07-10T21:11:02 < Steffanx> Welcome englishman. Still in the bush-bush?
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2018-07-10T21:21:47 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKDdJxiDSCA The Dining Rooms - Invocation
2018-07-10T21:22:33 < Laurenceb__> Unlike the “hegemonic masculinity” of the past—which is a general term to describe masculinity under patriarchy, petro-masculinity is a recent phenomenon, specifically triggered by global warming.
2018-07-10T21:23:13 < kakimir> petro-masculinity?
2018-07-10T21:23:21 < Laurenceb__> petro-masculinity is entrenching the petroculture
2018-07-10T21:23:53 < kakimir> murica
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2018-07-10T21:24:12 < Laurenceb__> In this context, burning fossil fuels can come to function as a knowingly violent experience, a reassertion of masculine power on an unruly feminized planet
2018-07-10T21:24:29 < Laurenceb__> at last I truly see .jpg
2018-07-10T21:24:36 < kakimir> interesting
2018-07-10T21:25:53 < Laurenceb__> wew https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14616742.2015.1075317
2018-07-10T21:25:54 < kakimir> I only owe to bank about 500eur
2018-07-10T21:26:07 < kakimir> from my student loan
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2018-07-10T21:27:06 < Laurenceb__> u paid for this to be published
2018-07-10T21:34:18 < kakimir> 6 months and my student loan is paid
2018-07-10T21:34:47 < kakimir> 25years before average
2018-07-10T21:36:50 < kakimir> I think I should go back to school to get more some cheap loan
2018-07-10T21:40:21 < kakimir> cheap appartment and some money, 50% of loan is paid by state if you get degree
2018-07-10T21:40:37 < kakimir> but shit needs to be simple
2018-07-10T21:42:03 < Steffanx> You can do it kakimir
2018-07-10T21:42:13 < kakimir> something that I can just plow thru
2018-07-10T21:42:18 < kakimir> in few years
2018-07-10T21:43:06 < Steffanx> You can also be very serious and you wont have to plow
2018-07-10T21:43:37 < kakimir> serious means dedication
2018-07-10T21:43:44 < Steffanx> Yes.
2018-07-10T21:43:49 < kakimir> and no time to work for money and do shit
2018-07-10T21:43:59 < Steffanx> Work and study.
2018-07-10T21:45:03 < Steffanx> So work very hard now, dont spend all your money on shit and then go for the dedication after that
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2018-07-10T22:10:22 < Laurenceb__> the house of 4chan https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-44643037
2018-07-10T22:10:36 < Laurenceb__> >Jordan was a big fan of WWE wrestling  yup
2018-07-10T22:15:06 < vampi-the-frog> I got one of these https://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/line-6-pod-pro-329756.jpg
2018-07-10T22:16:23 < Laurenceb__> audiophool
2018-07-10T22:17:16 < vampi-the-frog> also one of these http://cachepe.zzounds.com/media/quality,85/Floor_Board-d396393b8ffde0a0202e58c45fa2d4a4.jpg
2018-07-10T22:17:34 < vampi-the-frog> it has midi, you can record all the button presses and whatnot
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2018-07-10T22:46:13 < BrainDamage> I literally made my own guitar DSP
2018-07-10T22:55:16 < vampi-the-frog> show
2018-07-10T22:55:37 < vampi-the-frog> I plan to add an F4 to capture the audio after the ADC and before the DAC
2018-07-10T22:55:48 < vampi-the-frog> so I can record clean and distorted
2018-07-10T22:56:56 < BrainDamage> it's a arm in a box with a usb sound card, not much to see, and I use a behringer pedalboard with midi-to-bluetooth
2018-07-10T22:57:01 < BrainDamage> I'll take pics, sec
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2018-07-10T22:59:11 < BrainDamage> and my recording setup is similar, I dump to disk before and after the processing chain
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2018-07-10T23:10:08 < vampi-the-frog> I was planning of putting an arm AND a leg inside mine
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2018-07-10T23:20:46 < BrainDamage> vampi-the-frog: https://imgur.com/a/q6TGljt
2018-07-10T23:21:07 < BrainDamage> the small box in the top left of the pedalboard is the bluetooth transmitter
2018-07-10T23:21:31 < BrainDamage> the black and gold box in the bottom pic is a wireless guitar link
2018-07-10T23:21:43 < BrainDamage> then a usb soundcard and the board itself
2018-07-10T23:22:25 < vampi-the-frog> is that a rPI?
2018-07-10T23:23:55 < BrainDamage> yes, it's a gayberry pi 3
2018-07-10T23:24:25 < BrainDamage> I wanted to use an odroid, but they don't run the vanilla kernel, and I absolutely need that
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2018-07-10T23:29:36 < vampi-the-frog> and you just wrote your DSP code on the rPI?
2018-07-10T23:29:48 < BrainDamage> mixed bag
2018-07-10T23:29:55 < BrainDamage> I wrote some DSP
2018-07-10T23:30:04 < BrainDamage> I've reused a decent part from other people
2018-07-10T23:31:24 < vampi-the-frog> is there an open source guitar DSP firmware?
2018-07-10T23:31:28 < vampi-the-frog> that might be interesting
2018-07-10T23:33:40 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I probably need https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2215406
2018-07-10T23:36:35 < karlp> BrainDamage: you need to turn on too many extra weird kernel stuff?
2018-07-10T23:36:46 < karlp> I thought most of the odroid stuff was pretty clean upstreamby now?
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2018-07-10T23:51:50 < karlp> my own fucking odroid has taken a liking to staying off after rebooting.
2018-07-10T23:51:53 < karlp> fucking thing
2018-07-10T23:51:58 < karlp> _RE_BOOT.
2018-07-10T23:52:00 < karlp> not SHUTDOWN
2018-07-10T23:54:19 < vampi-the-frog> what latency are you getting with that rpi?
2018-07-10T23:54:32 < vampi-the-frog> afaik ARM is better for real-time stuff
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2018-07-10T23:57:45 < BrainDamage> karlp: it's not 'turning on', it's just that jack goes bonkers on patched kernels, when it requests the RT prio
2018-07-10T23:58:22 < BrainDamage> the patched kernels often don't do proper RT policy management, and they cripple the whole kernel RT scheduling capabilities
2018-07-10T23:58:32 < BrainDamage> most people don't give a shit - I do
2018-07-10T23:58:48 < vampi-the-frog> you're so cool
2018-07-10T23:59:00 < vampi-the-frog> ❤❤❤
2018-07-10T23:59:11 < BrainDamage> vampi-the-frog: 2ms
2018-07-10T23:59:20 < vampi-the-frog> what sample rate?
2018-07-10T23:59:27 < BrainDamage> well, 48kHz
2018-07-10T23:59:31 < BrainDamage> -well
2018-07-10T23:59:42 < vampi-the-frog> so 2ms at 48kHz is 96 samples
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2018-07-11T00:00:00 < BrainDamage> yes, the buffer size is 32 samples, and I take 3x buffer
2018-07-11T00:00:08 < BrainDamage> as reccomended for usb sound cards
2018-07-11T00:00:12 < BrainDamage> 2ms is unnoticeable anyway
2018-07-11T00:00:28 < vampi-the-frog> oh yeah it's an USB interface that you're using
2018-07-11T00:00:31 < BrainDamage> anything less than 10ms is pretty much good
2018-07-11T00:01:14 < vampi-the-frog> is there a DAC/ADC device that you can use directly on the GPIO pins?
2018-07-11T00:01:46 < vampi-the-frog> doesn't the PI have its own audio I/O?
2018-07-11T00:01:51 < BrainDamage> probably, but why faffing with custom shit when a decent quality USB audio card is 25 bucks?
2018-07-11T00:02:27 < vampi-the-frog> hmm
2018-07-11T00:05:19 < vampi-the-frog> gotta go, cya
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2018-07-11T00:27:26 < upgrdman> pic24f pros: if i just want to toggle a gpio to test the mcu, is "while(1) { _RE5 = 0; _RE5 = 1; }" good enough? or do periphs/clocks/etc need to be config'd first
2018-07-11T00:27:39 < upgrdman> (i want to toggle pin RE5)
2018-07-11T00:35:07 < Steffanx> I cannot imagine you have to enable clocks
2018-07-11T00:35:37 < Steffanx> Perhaps set the pin as output ;)
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2018-07-11T01:05:31 < stvn> Laurence is getting his irc loicence
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2018-07-11T02:07:35 < stvn> laurence_: 
2018-07-11T02:07:44 < stvn> you got your loicence?
2018-07-11T02:07:50 < stvn> IRC loicence?
2018-07-11T02:11:27 < stvn> !
2018-07-11T02:11:38 < laurence_> sut
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2018-07-11T02:12:04 < Laurenceb____> we lost a 4channer
2018-07-11T02:12:37 < stvn> how
2018-07-11T02:12:53 < Laurenceb____> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-44643037
2018-07-11T02:14:31 < stvn> i don't have a reading loicence
2018-07-11T02:44:57 < Laurenceb____> Petro-masculinity is helpful to understanding how the anxieties aroused by the Anthropocene can augment desires for authoritarianism
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2018-07-11T02:47:25 < Laurenceb____> how did you augment ur masculinity today?
2018-07-11T02:52:38 < Laurenceb____> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2mqvo2xYYs
2018-07-11T02:54:07 < jadew> what's a good/reasonably priced soldering station?
2018-07-11T02:54:24 < jadew> that can do lead free on big ground planes
2018-07-11T02:55:00 < jadew> anything better than this, price wise? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HAKKO-FX-951-GENUINE/223031719960
2018-07-11T02:57:36 < Thorn> well China STM32 2.1S controller + clone tips + clone handles will certainly be ~4 times cheaper lol
2018-07-11T02:57:48 < jadew> heh
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2018-07-11T03:07:46 < Laurenceb____> it begins
2018-07-11T03:07:52 < Laurenceb____> https://imgoat.com/uploads/8ffe9a587b/123285.jpg
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2018-07-11T03:15:22 < Laurenceb____> https://imgoat.com/uploads/8ffe9a587b/123286.jpg
2018-07-11T03:23:13 < bitmask> booya, 100 on chapter 2 of my capstone that I handed in a week late
2018-07-11T03:28:00 < stvn> Lol
2018-07-11T03:30:39 < stvn> jadew: i think the 951 is alright
2018-07-11T03:31:01 < jadew> stvn, you have it?
2018-07-11T03:31:17 < stvn> I use one at work sometimes
2018-07-11T03:31:55 < jadew> think it'll do for coaxial connectors?
2018-07-11T03:32:05 < stvn> Don’t see why not
2018-07-11T03:32:23 < jadew> my hakko fx 888, just chocked when trying to solder an edge mount SMA connector
2018-07-11T03:32:39 < jadew> (has no thermal relief)
2018-07-11T03:32:45 < stvn> Indeed
2018-07-11T03:32:53 < stvn> Cause it’s a shit
2018-07-11T03:32:58 < stvn> Fx888
2018-07-11T03:33:23 < jadew> it's ok, but can't do high thermal capacity lead free stuff
2018-07-11T03:33:44 < jadew> can do regular stuff in lead free, but that's where it stops
2018-07-11T03:34:15 < jadew> in fact, not even my soldering gun could do those joints properly
2018-07-11T03:35:14 < jadew> but that must also have to do with the shape of the tip
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2018-07-11T03:46:04 < jadew> apparently someone made a universal soldering tool driver
2018-07-11T03:46:47 < jadew> works with JBC, Hakko, Weller, ERSA & more irons 
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2018-07-11T03:54:32 < stvn> jadew: yeah that’s worth a look if you’re on da budget
2018-07-11T03:55:14 < stvn> I still have 2x Metical solder/desolder rigs from muh old company
2018-07-11T03:55:15 < jadew> yeah, I am, I just hope I can find one already built
2018-07-11T03:55:22 < jadew> neat
2018-07-11T03:55:37 < jadew> looked at the metcal, but it's about 1k USD
2018-07-11T03:55:47 < stvn> Yah
2018-07-11T03:56:16 < stvn> Thermaltronics do a decent metcal
2018-07-11T03:56:38 < stvn> Like their owners were from metcal
2018-07-11T03:56:58 < stvn> I’ve used 1 and it was very decent
2018-07-11T03:57:21 < stvn> I hate Venturi powered desolderers however
2018-07-11T03:57:35 < jadew> they even look similar to the metcal
2018-07-11T03:57:44 < stvn> And compatible
2018-07-11T03:57:44 < jadew> and seem to cost 1/4 the price
2018-07-11T03:57:49 < jadew> really?
2018-07-11T03:57:53 < stvn> Yes
2018-07-11T03:58:16 < stvn> I use thermaltronics tips on my metcal
2018-07-11T03:58:17 < jadew> well, they have really good prices
2018-07-11T03:58:45 < jadew> the ones I found are kinda low power tho
2018-07-11T03:58:49 < jadew> 50 W
2018-07-11T03:59:56 < jadew> hmm, I see the MX 5210 series is only 80 W (I was expecting more)
2018-07-11T04:04:33 < stvn> heh
2018-07-11T04:05:00 < stvn> doesn't really seem to matter that much
2018-07-11T04:05:46 < jadew> yeah, I guess the tips are all that matter
2018-07-11T04:05:59 < jadew> well, and the driver should know how to work them
2018-07-11T04:07:50 < jadew> hmm, I wonder if it would be possible to drive a JBC iron with my current station if I made a temperature translation device
2018-07-11T04:08:50 < jadew> not gonna do it, but I bet it can be done
2018-07-11T04:09:30 < jadew> maybe the chinese should look into that, adapters from one brand of stations to another brand of irons
2018-07-11T04:09:34 < jadew> that would be great
2018-07-11T04:10:58 < stvn> the chinese mate
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2018-07-11T04:33:54 < jadew> btw, this is the universal soldering station project
2018-07-11T04:33:55 < jadew> http://dangerousprototypes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=7218
2018-07-11T04:34:17 < jadew> that thread has 130 pages
2018-07-11T04:36:30 < stvn> heh seems like they have enough there for something useful
2018-07-11T04:36:53 < stvn> even those chinged out t12 diy kits would be useful to some on a budget imo
2018-07-11T04:38:06 < jadew> just looked them up, they use the same style of tips as the FX 888 tho, so they wouldn't work for what I need
2018-07-11T04:38:32 < stvn> oh god no
2018-07-11T04:38:58 < stvn> the T12 tip is for the fx951 yes
2018-07-11T04:39:52 < jadew> oh, then I must have been looking at the wrong video
2018-07-11T04:41:00 < stvn> i used to have this - https://www.oritech.com.au/jbc-cd-2be-digital-lead-free-solder-station-standard-handpiece.html
2018-07-11T04:41:11 < stvn> i think hakko's fx951 is their answer to this particular range
2018-07-11T04:41:37 < jadew> I see, I don't think the hakko is as good as that JBC tho
2018-07-11T04:41:44 < jadew> but yeah, it's possible
2018-07-11T04:43:21 < stvn> yeah i'd prefer the jbc
2018-07-11T04:46:02 < stvn> I'd buy another.... but I have a working metcal on my bench here (:=
2018-07-11T04:47:13 < jadew> I'd hold off on this purchase and get something better eventually, but I think I'll just go for one of these cheap drivers and a genuine iron & tip from a good manufacturer
2018-07-11T04:47:54 < jadew> either JBC or Hakko (looking at reviews for those t12 kits you mentioned)
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2018-07-11T05:00:10 < stvn> just work out if the purchase is going to help you make good jew coin
2018-07-11T05:00:12 < stvn> ;)
2018-07-11T05:00:38 < stvn> most of my purchases were driven by being pissed off with shitty equipment
2018-07-11T05:01:03 < dongs> ^ 99% reason for keil purchases
2018-07-11T05:01:12 < dongs> because who has time for GNU/eclipse
2018-07-11T05:06:26 < dongs> gnuuuughhh
2018-07-11T05:06:27 < jadew> stvn, I do that too, but if you're not careful you end up with more shitty equipment
2018-07-11T05:06:51 < jadew> I'm off to bed, will look into this more tomorrow
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2018-07-11T07:19:55 < ColdKeyboard> Now I know this is not nRF channel but this Segger-nRF programming is pissing me off...
2018-07-11T07:20:42 < ColdKeyboard> Connect all pins, Segger detects voltage and reset but cannot program or recover module
2018-07-11T07:34:51 < ds2> ColdKeyboard: which nRF?
2018-07-11T07:38:55 < ColdKeyboard> ds2: I have two modules, both have nRF52 on them and I can't program them
2018-07-11T07:39:10 < ColdKeyboard> One is from Rigado another from Fanstel
2018-07-11T07:39:17 < ColdKeyboard> Going crazy about now
2018-07-11T07:39:27 < ds2> what wires are you bringing out?
2018-07-11T07:39:51 < ds2> the nRF5x have a funky way of doing SWD
2018-07-11T07:43:35 < ColdKeyboard> From nRF SWD and SWCLKand on nRF I'm connecting VTref to 3v3, SWD<->SWD, SWCLK<->SWCLK, GND<->GND
2018-07-11T07:43:47 < ColdKeyboard> *on Segger
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2018-07-11T09:34:47 < ds2> do you have anything else connected to SWCLK? THat is shared with reset
2018-07-11T09:35:22 < ds2> FWIW - I have no issues with the nRF52 modules and a jlink (Using a taiyo yuden mod)
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2018-07-11T09:45:16 < dongs> zyp - https://www.eurodk.com/en/products/mt-lhg/wireless-wire-dish
2018-07-11T09:49:41 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVTmE2-TqFY LPT to ISA8bit adapter
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2018-07-11T10:11:51 < stvn> LOL
2018-07-11T10:11:54 < stvn> doof doof doof doof doof doof doof doof doof doof doof doof doof 
2018-07-11T10:12:26 < stvn> if you ever make a nuclear bomb can it play that music as it drops down
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2018-07-11T10:17:02 < Steffanx> Are you doof stvn?
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2018-07-11T10:34:15 < stvn> I CAN'T FIND IT ON THE ALTIUM VAULT WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO
2018-07-11T10:34:42 < dongs> https://cnet2.cbsistatic.com/img/ZX2NxkCeGMDkI1Zh-dZ2OCH98LE=/2018/07/10/419f6913-9aa2-46e8-97e4-29cfc7bba743/israelmoonmission.jpg
2018-07-11T10:35:13 < stvn> ah fuck those cunts are in space now?!
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2018-07-11T10:35:41 < stvn> I guess somebody dropped a penny on the moon
2018-07-11T10:36:24 < Haohmaru> wouldn't that make it a bit heavier and make it drift away from us faster?
2018-07-11T10:37:13 < dongs> legit lol'd
2018-07-11T10:37:32 < Haohmaru> pls dongs, b serious
2018-07-11T10:41:20 < Laurenceb____> inb4 Brianna Woo
2018-07-11T10:42:07 < Haohmaru> woz that the plastic anorexic "maker" b*tch?
2018-07-11T10:42:17 < dongs> sexycyborg?
2018-07-11T10:42:30 < dongs> she "ragequit" and is now "back"
2018-07-11T10:42:33 < dongs> with without patreGONE
2018-07-11T10:42:46 < Laurenceb____> she thinks the moon will fall into the earth and kill us all
2018-07-11T10:42:49 < Haohmaru> so what motivates her then?
2018-07-11T10:43:02 < dongs> https://www.tipeee.com/naomiwu oh for fucks sake
2018-07-11T10:43:07 < dongs> got a new patreon-like shit
2018-07-11T10:43:10 < dongs> already 500 eur/month
2018-07-11T10:43:10 < dongs> Lol
2018-07-11T10:43:19 < Haohmaru> 500euro/month ain't bad
2018-07-11T10:43:50 < Haohmaru> ah, she's "naomi"
2018-07-11T10:44:21 < Laurenceb____> Sargon makes >100k per year
2018-07-11T10:44:27 < dongs> who
2018-07-11T10:44:29 < Laurenceb____> more than the uk pm
2018-07-11T10:45:09 < Laurenceb____> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9E2iEi6vMY
2018-07-11T10:45:22 < dongs> boring
2018-07-11T10:45:38 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EHLpfPw2vk like, what is even the point of making such content
2018-07-11T10:45:43 < dongs> fucking dumb gross cunt
2018-07-11T10:45:56 < dongs> https://youtu.be/-EHLpfPw2vk?t=84 wear some normal clothes you idiot
2018-07-11T10:46:01 < Laurenceb____> hahah wtf
2018-07-11T10:46:13 < Laurenceb____> why doesnt she go the chaturbate
2018-07-11T10:46:15 < Laurenceb____> ffs
2018-07-11T10:46:22 < Laurenceb____> *to
2018-07-11T10:46:22 < Steffanx> What is the point of generating this "content" in ##stm32?
2018-07-11T10:46:30 < dongs> hey i didnt bring it up
2018-07-11T10:46:34 < dongs> i had to look that shit up for Haohmaru 
2018-07-11T10:46:44 < dongs> and I noticed all the extra shit that happened since patreongate
2018-07-11T10:46:57 < Steffanx> I hoped you went for: for fun. 
2018-07-11T10:47:06 < Steffanx> But you went all serious. Damnit
2018-07-11T10:47:38 < Haohmaru> aww, sorry..
2018-07-11T10:48:19 < Haohmaru> so that b*tch is a forbidden topic here, i'll avoid mentioning it
2018-07-11T10:49:00 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/CTWWoxB.png bwahha it makes total sense nwo
2018-07-11T10:49:39 < Haohmaru> no, it doesn't
2018-07-11T10:49:55 < Steffanx> Lolno. Just curious where all this giving a damn comes feom
2018-07-11T10:50:00 < Haohmaru> you don't need to be hit by the head to be dumb
2018-07-11T10:51:12 < dongs> yes, but it could make you dumber
2018-07-11T10:51:30 < stvn> lol
2018-07-11T10:51:55 < stvn> who the fuck is that filthy semen trap?
2018-07-11T10:52:08 < Steffanx> Yo mamma.
2018-07-11T10:52:19 < stvn> LOL
2018-07-11T10:52:32 < stvn> give that man a medal.
2018-07-11T10:52:50 < Laurenceb____> looks like a man to me
2018-07-11T10:53:26 < Steffanx> Dont say that about stvns mom
2018-07-11T10:54:48 < dongs> looking through random recent veds
2018-07-11T10:54:51 < dongs> vids
2018-07-11T10:54:54 < dongs> even all the locals fucking hate her
2018-07-11T10:54:59 < dongs> i can see it in the eyes
2018-07-11T10:55:07 < dongs> as whoever is carrying the camera behind that bitch is going by
2018-07-11T10:55:22 < stvn> has she migrated to japan?
2018-07-11T10:55:22 < dongs> how does it feel to be a hated chink... IN CHINA
2018-07-11T10:55:31 < stvn> oh in china.... lol
2018-07-11T10:55:44 < Steffanx> Can you see their eyes? Arent they all like - - ?
2018-07-11T10:55:46 < Laurenceb____> why doesnt she move to chaturbate lol
2018-07-11T10:55:53 < Laurenceb____> kek Steffanx
2018-07-11T10:56:04 < Laurenceb____> daswacist.gif
2018-07-11T10:56:08 < Haohmaru> we got a few similar b*tches here, that do videos, except they're not "makers" in any way
2018-07-11T10:56:31 < Steffanx> Sjw Laurenceb__ :o
2018-07-11T10:56:38 < Haohmaru> just making random videos where they dress up and try to look "sexy"
2018-07-11T10:56:44 < Laurenceb____> guy on youtube just make the shopped lion versus hyena videos
2018-07-11T10:56:44 < Haohmaru> such "meh"
2018-07-11T10:57:27 < Haohmaru> did i say "dress up" ? i meant "almost undress"
2018-07-11T10:57:28 < Laurenceb____> right I have irl wurk to do, bbl
2018-07-11T10:58:06 < Haohmaru> while (true) { Laurenceb__->work(); }
2018-07-11T10:59:03 < stvn> the computer
2018-07-11T11:00:40 < PaulFertser> Haohmaru: what's wrong with undressing, especially in a hot climate?
2018-07-11T11:01:06 < Haohmaru> like in the winter
2018-07-11T11:02:15 < Haohmaru> you don't need a setup almost like for shooting photos for a magazine, to record a video of yourself saying stuff
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2018-07-11T11:02:39 < dongs> "youtuber" is an actual profession now
2018-07-11T11:02:45 < Haohmaru> yeah, it is
2018-07-11T11:03:09 < Haohmaru> so you get b*tches like that who's talent is to "look good on camera"
2018-07-11T11:05:01 < stvn> got a youtube loicence
2018-07-11T11:05:12 < stvn> ?!
2018-07-11T11:05:16 < PaulFertser> Haohmaru: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX29RY0EYNc
2018-07-11T11:05:23 < Haohmaru> unleash the plastic boobs \o/
2018-07-11T11:06:04 < Steffanx> Where is antto?
2018-07-11T11:06:44 < Haohmaru> PaulFertser right.. and these people are doing something not just filming themselves semi-nekkid every day for pootube
2018-07-11T11:06:56 < Haohmaru> Steffanx u'll wake up teh cat
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2018-07-11T11:07:53 < PaulFertser> Haohmaru: some of them a swimming fully naked though. Anyway, why so much hatred? Than naomi "maker" is just doing whatever she feels like doing, does she harm anybody?
2018-07-11T11:08:11 < Haohmaru> nope
2018-07-11T11:08:17 < Haohmaru> or maybe herself
2018-07-11T11:08:19 < Haohmaru> but i don't care
2018-07-11T11:08:38 < stvn> this sexy cyborg thing is going to give me nightmares
2018-07-11T11:08:45 < stvn> where i wake up and vomit on me dick
2018-07-11T11:08:46 < Haohmaru> blame dongs
2018-07-11T11:08:46 < Steffanx> Poor baby.
2018-07-11T11:09:28 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: exactly that. Why The Fuck care so much.
2018-07-11T11:09:29 < Ultrasauce> i am the sexiest maker
2018-07-11T11:09:37 < Steffanx> ^ true
2018-07-11T11:09:45 < Haohmaru> wowz
2018-07-11T11:10:21 < PaulFertser> Pics please
2018-07-11T11:10:37 < Haohmaru> do you twerk while length-matching pcb tracks?
2018-07-11T11:11:00 < dongs> Than naomi "maker" is just doing whatever she feels like doing, does she harm anybody?
2018-07-11T11:11:07 < dongs> PaulFertser: ^ i think thats not actualyl true
2018-07-11T11:11:22 < dongs> she's being made to do that shit by her retarded fat white boyfriend
2018-07-11T11:11:41 < dongs> its pretty fucking obvious from looking at any technical-related content thats "created' that she has zero fucking clue about any of the shit
2018-07-11T11:11:54 < Haohmaru> ooh, she a slave and she needs to be freed by an angry prince
2018-07-11T11:11:59 < dongs> no lol
2018-07-11T11:12:00 < Haohmaru> on a pink horse
2018-07-11T11:12:17 < PaulFertser> On a pink solowheel.
2018-07-11T11:12:20 < Steffanx> And you know that because you are the "fat white boyfriend" dongs?
2018-07-11T11:12:28 < dongs> no Steffanx but nice try
2018-07-11T11:12:34 < Steffanx> Hah :P
2018-07-11T11:12:44 < Haohmaru> nah, he the prince
2018-07-11T11:13:07  * Haohmaru paints a pony pink
2018-07-11T11:15:16 < PaulFertser> btw, what's the model of your wheel dongs?
2018-07-11T11:15:40 < dongs> my chinkshit? gotway acm or something
2018-07-11T11:17:01 < Ultrasauce> what the fuck, a 2kW unicycle?
2018-07-11T11:17:08 < stvn> yea mate
2018-07-11T11:17:12 < dongs> it is pretty awesome
2018-07-11T11:17:16 < Ultrasauce> the future happened while i wasn't paying attention
2018-07-11T11:17:30 < Haohmaru> you were too busy being sexy
2018-07-11T11:17:44 < dongs> i fucked around at 18kmh limit for a bit then got used to it and now i can cruise at around 28kmh safelyt
2018-07-11T11:20:15 < PaulFertser> My friend has a similar rockwheel one, but I'm not really impressed comparing it to my mountain bike. Yes, he goes without any effort for 20 kms but then I can continue and he has to charge for hours.
2018-07-11T11:20:42 < dongs> yeah too bad my shit has like 100km range and i legit tested it to around 80km and tehre was still some charge left
2018-07-11T11:20:55 < dongs> 20km IS retarded i agree
2018-07-11T11:22:15 < Ultrasauce> https://youtu.be/O0HMy8g0cf4?t=213
2018-07-11T11:22:22 < Ultrasauce> another dji success story
2018-07-11T11:22:29 < PaulFertser> dongs: oh great then
2018-07-11T11:24:07 < dongs> there's some faster chargers but yeah it takes a while to charge 1600Wh or whatever teh fuck
2018-07-11T11:24:14 < dongs> overnight is fine tho.
2018-07-11T11:24:57 < Haohmaru> i want a delorean.. it charges with a lightning - uber fast
2018-07-11T11:25:06 < zyp> dongs, cute 60ghz link
2018-07-11T11:25:30 < dongs> zyp, that price is for a pair, too
2018-07-11T11:31:09 < invzim> gah, about to go into manual assembly sweat-shop mode when I discover an IC on proto has died
2018-07-11T11:32:32 < invzim> so is it a one-off, did I short/break something, bad design, external events that caused it - or other
2018-07-11T11:34:53 < Ultrasauce> 100% failure rate
2018-07-11T11:36:47 < dongs> how did you died it
2018-07-11T11:38:28 < invzim> dongs: no idea, that's the problem - annoying stuff
2018-07-11T11:38:36 < dongs> what kinda ic is it
2018-07-11T11:38:43 < invzim> put on a fresh one and all good, letting stuff run for a few hours
2018-07-11T11:38:59 < invzim> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm2776.pdf
2018-07-11T11:39:05 < invzim> negative voltage thingie
2018-07-11T11:39:39 < invzim> used this one before, http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm2663.pdf - but it was noisy as F and messed up the input supply rail
2018-07-11T11:39:43 < Ultrasauce> pumping
2018-07-11T11:40:40 < dongs> > switched capacitor
2018-07-11T11:40:47 < dongs> how muych current are you drawing
2018-07-11T11:41:00 < dongs> those ashits are usually good for like 1mA or someshit
2018-07-11T11:41:58 < invzim> variable, external device that draws 
2018-07-11T11:42:09 < invzim> but this one has rec 200ma, and 250ma max
2018-07-11T11:42:34 < invzim> and short-circuit/overcurrent/temperature shutdown stuffs
2018-07-11T11:42:47 < invzim> if it didn't I would be happy with a dead one
2018-07-11T11:43:45 < invzim> I MAY have hooked up the lab supply wrong, which I guess I will try later to confirm
2018-07-11T11:53:18 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/x41CQPVC/cool%20man.jpg
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2018-07-11T12:31:57 < Steffanx> Youre an expert stvn. 
2018-07-11T12:32:03 < Steffanx> Its part of the deal.
2018-07-11T12:37:00 < stvn> should I buy more ram
2018-07-11T12:42:52 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/8ffe9a587b/123369.png
2018-07-11T12:44:00 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/8ffe9a587b/123370.jpg
2018-07-11T12:44:32 < stvn> will they be interested in playing nintendo
2018-07-11T12:52:47 < Laurenceb__> the maybot
2018-07-11T12:55:28 < stvn> where do i buy enough memory to max out a 64 bit address space
2018-07-11T12:55:33 < stvn> i'm hoping to spend around $250
2018-07-11T12:59:59 < invzim> whoo, circular dma/adc stuffs with averaging works pretty well
2018-07-11T13:06:15 < invzim> voltage readings preeety much agrees with the fluke
2018-07-11T13:07:32 < stvn> im glad
2018-07-11T13:17:24 < Laurenceb__> using median filtering ftw
2018-07-11T13:17:47 < Laurenceb__> or ewven better - top and bottom quartile removal then rolling average
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2018-07-11T13:18:04 < Laurenceb__> that gives me good results with nasty noise spikes
2018-07-11T13:21:02 < invzim> I just average 200 readings
2018-07-11T13:22:18 < invzim> Laurenceb__: got a lib?
2018-07-11T13:24:25 < Laurenceb__> there is some code... somewhere
2018-07-11T13:24:33 < Laurenceb__> I used copypastered quicksort
2018-07-11T13:24:38 < Laurenceb__> with interleaved windows
2018-07-11T13:24:49 < invzim> how big a buffer/window do you use?
2018-07-11T13:24:54 < Laurenceb__> iirk the mean using a rolling window
2018-07-11T13:25:12 < Laurenceb__> a few ms, it was for pressure sensing using strain guage
2018-07-11T13:25:31 < invzim> ahk, for this application I think just a naive average is fine
2018-07-11T13:25:34 < Laurenceb__> but it did add a few ms delay
2018-07-11T13:25:39 < stvn> got a window licence?
2018-07-11T13:25:56 < invzim> it's just voltage monitoring, displayed every 1/10s or so
2018-07-11T13:34:28 < Laurenceb__> https://web.archive.org/web/20180708231736/https://riscv-basics.com
2018-07-11T13:34:30 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-07-11T13:34:51 < Steffanx> What does it do Laurenceb__ ? If(sample != 5) sample = 5; ?
2018-07-11T13:34:55 < Steffanx> Muh perfect filter
2018-07-11T13:35:18 < Steffanx> No noise.
2018-07-11T13:35:31 < Laurenceb__> Steffnax: quicksort then dischard upper and lower quartile
2018-07-11T13:35:31 < dfgg> Laurenceb__: they've took it down?
2018-07-11T13:35:32 < dfgg> lel
2018-07-11T13:35:34 < Laurenceb__> yes
2018-07-11T13:35:46 < dfgg> glorious.
2018-07-11T13:36:09 < Laurenceb__> >fragmentation risk
2018-07-11T13:36:13 < Laurenceb__> define irony
2018-07-11T13:37:01 < dfgg> I think that arm shoot arrow in their knee thanks to that, as their reasons were too harsh and obvious that "riscv is too young, so use arm" or "there will be many risc's, lets stick with thumbs and arms"
2018-07-11T13:39:13 < Haohmaru> risc - rimited instruction set computer?
2018-07-11T13:39:41 < dfgg>  you remember "Comodo's lets encrypt"?  :^)
2018-07-11T13:40:35 < Haohmaru> who, me?
2018-07-11T13:41:43 < zyp> haha, did they already take down riscv-basics? I saw that the other day
2018-07-11T13:45:31 < sync> yes
2018-07-11T13:46:48 < Thorn> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/10/arm_riscv_website/ ?
2018-07-11T13:47:02 < zyp> yeah
2018-07-11T13:51:42 < BrainDamage> https://www.arm-basics.com/
2018-07-11T13:52:04 < zyp> haha, nice
2018-07-11T13:52:29 < dfgg> yes, i've seend it on monday when was requesting for PRs
2018-07-11T14:45:31 < Laurenceb__> https://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2018/07/10/arm_riscv_website/
2018-07-11T14:45:32 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-07-11T14:45:40 < Laurenceb__> >c compatible cpu
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2018-07-11T14:59:45 < jpa-> Steffanx: don't worry, if you die, wikipedia has a flowchart ready to go    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Dutch_cryo_Moscow.png
2018-07-11T15:27:30 < dongs> wtf
2018-07-11T15:31:49 < zyp> haha, wat
2018-07-11T15:32:41 < Laurenceb__> wow audiophool gear is shit
2018-07-11T15:32:55 < Laurenceb__> muh preamp has crosstalk when I turn the gain to minimum
2018-07-11T15:34:38 < Laurenceb__> thought muh soundcard was being weird
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2018-07-11T15:39:04 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/8ffe9a587b/123389.jpg
2018-07-11T15:41:14 < Laurenceb__> tfw Nordic
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2018-07-11T15:42:42 < Haohmaru> Laurenceb__ y u buy audiophool gear
2018-07-11T15:43:02 < Thorn> moneyed westerners
2018-07-11T15:43:02 < Laurenceb__> because I'm a phool
2018-07-11T15:43:06 < Laurenceb__> never again
2018-07-11T15:43:25 < Laurenceb__> literally 100% crosstalk at lowest gain setting
2018-07-11T15:43:34 < Haohmaru> you should've used proper cables
2018-07-11T15:43:41 < Haohmaru> like those from coconut-audio
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2018-07-11T15:44:57 < Laurenceb__> heh
2018-07-11T15:45:16 < Laurenceb__> prob arduino tier pcb layout
2018-07-11T15:46:52 < Laurenceb__> lul https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-mr-steven-arm-upgrade-complete-quadruple-size-net/
2018-07-11T15:50:42 < Haohmaru> ah, they seem to have changed their name/website http://www.audiophile.rocks/technology.html
2018-07-11T15:53:34 < Laurenceb__> what the
2018-07-11T15:53:39 < Laurenceb__> surely a troll
2018-07-11T15:54:22 < Haohmaru> this exists since many years, and people buy the stuff
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2018-07-11T15:55:17 < Laurenceb__> Dissipates unwanted quantum noise energy as heat rather than allowing it to emerge as a "layer of contamination residue" over audio/video information
2018-07-11T15:56:13 < Haohmaru> he had cables with "alien crystals" that makes the audio "better", more defined, and clean of noises and harshness
2018-07-11T15:56:18 < Haohmaru> like, USB cables..
2018-07-11T15:57:04 < Haohmaru> i think $500 were some of the "cheapest" ones
2018-07-11T15:57:34 < Haohmaru> and people bought them.. now THAT's what i call proper audiophool
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2018-07-11T16:01:30 < Thorn> I think there're even optical (toslink or whatever) audioph00l cables
2018-07-11T16:09:00 < BrainDamage> I think coconut audio started as a parody, and then saw that it genuinely sold
2018-07-11T16:09:40 < BrainDamage> at least, I do want to hope it was a parody
2018-07-11T16:10:14 < BrainDamage> http://usr.audioasylum.com/images/6/65036/Blue_Night_power2x.jpg
2018-07-11T16:10:31 < BrainDamage> coconut audio cables, with rocks embedded in the jacket, before the copper
2018-07-11T16:10:44 < Thorn> how important is jitter in digital audio anyway? (IIRC they use jitter as an excuse to sell anything from expensive DACs with TCXO etc. to even "low jitter" digital cables)
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2018-07-11T16:12:43 < BrainDamage> meeeh
2018-07-11T16:12:56 < Laurenceb__> lul
2018-07-11T16:13:00 < Laurenceb__> muh gui
2018-07-11T16:15:01 < BrainDamage> the cheapest shit quartz will have a phase noise few douzen ppm
2018-07-11T16:15:36 < BrainDamage> err, phase noise induced jitter
2018-07-11T16:16:14 < BrainDamage> so even IF it would matter, it's anr of magnitude better than the clock timing
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2018-07-11T16:29:28 < BrainDamage> does my plot look sufficiently pro? https://ptpb.pw/jR2S.webm
2018-07-11T16:39:53 < PaulFertser> The graph itself is so clean, how do you deal with 50/60 Hz mains? But the plot is missing units ;)
2018-07-11T16:42:00 < BrainDamage> there's no units because any time window scale would have to be sliding along the graph and would only look confusing, the vertical amplitude is just a relative amplitude, therefore unitless
2018-07-11T16:42:46 < BrainDamage> the graph is clean because there's a series of analog and digital filters to fix it, including a 2-stage AGC and tracking filters
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2018-07-11T16:44:58 < c10ud^> BrainDamage, is this a medical device or consumer?
2018-07-11T16:45:36 < BrainDamage> consumer, altough we do plan to make a medical variant
2018-07-11T16:46:13 < c10ud^> also, is this hearth only?
2018-07-11T16:46:40 < Thorn> iirc there is a standard scale per division in ekg
2018-07-11T16:46:45 < c10ud^> so you're big company then
2018-07-11T16:49:00 < BrainDamage> currently heart / heart + accelerometer depending on the variant
2018-07-11T16:49:16 < BrainDamage> We don't plan to collect oxygenation levels unless necessary
2018-07-11T16:49:43 < PaulFertser> Impressive results
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2018-07-11T16:51:04 < BrainDamage> you can get rid of a decent fraction of mains through a common-mode feedback loop
2018-07-11T16:51:15 < BrainDamage> what's in literature often referred as a 'right leg driver'
2018-07-11T16:54:13 < c10ud^> btw mains power is easy to filter via sw
2018-07-11T16:54:47 < BrainDamage> yes, but it reduces your ENOB
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2018-07-11T16:55:25 < BrainDamage> in that case, the sigma delta has 24 bit, so who cares
2018-07-11T16:55:28 < c10ud^> yes, I didn't do the math, maybe not enough for medical/diagnosis precision but for consumer...
2018-07-11T16:55:37 < c10ud^> wow
2018-07-11T16:56:14 < c10ud^> you could try getting respiration
2018-07-11T16:56:25 < c10ud^> with that precision
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2018-07-11T16:59:14 < invzim> pros..
2018-07-11T16:59:30 < invzim> any off-the-shelf stuff for storing serial numbers, record QA pr pcb etc?
2018-07-11T17:09:45 < tpw_rules> all the stm32 micros i think have a built in serial number
2018-07-11T17:10:07 < tpw_rules> there's the dallas serial number chips
2018-07-11T17:10:26 < invzim> nah, I'm talking about software for keeping track of serials like that
2018-07-11T17:10:32 < tpw_rules> oh
2018-07-11T17:10:32 < invzim> date-of-manufacture for PCB's etc
2018-07-11T17:10:45 < tpw_rules> no clue, sorry. never made more than like 5 so i always bunged it by hand
2018-07-11T17:11:11 < invzim> spreadsheet works.. but would be nice to have something more pro
2018-07-11T17:11:35 < tpw_rules> access database?
2018-07-11T17:11:44 < tpw_rules> probably an afternoons work :P
2018-07-11T17:13:00 < dekar> I have seen spreadsh
2018-07-11T17:13:32 < dekar> *I have seen spreadsheets being used for mass production by "pros".
2018-07-11T17:14:08 < tpw_rules> excel is the most popular buusiness, ERP, engineering, cad, etc software by a vast, vast margin
2018-07-11T17:14:14 < tpw_rules> accounting
2018-07-11T17:14:53 < dekar> Even if companies have dedicated ERP software to track it, commonly it gets imported from spreadsheets.
2018-07-11T17:15:53 < Laurenceb__> wow muh audiphool gear needs to be binned
2018-07-11T17:16:09 < Laurenceb__> maya44 soundcard is good but the analogue gear is junk
2018-07-11T17:18:46 < Laurenceb__> nonlinearity and crosstalk
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2018-07-11T17:32:17 < kakimir> if I want accurate and precise V/2 buffered level
2018-07-11T17:34:19 < kakimir> is there any other solutions than opamp + resistors
2018-07-11T17:34:25 < invzim> make sure V=6.6 :)
2018-07-11T17:34:37 < kakimir> and if I use resistors
2018-07-11T17:34:41 < Laurenceb__> 6.66
2018-07-11T17:34:46 < kakimir> is there some kind of matched resistor pairs?
2018-07-11T17:35:13 < invzim> what are you driving, and what's your V?
2018-07-11T17:36:03 < kakimir> 5v
2018-07-11T17:36:09 < kakimir> reference voltage level
2018-07-11T17:36:33 < invzim> and you need 2.5 for "something"?
2018-07-11T17:36:34 < Thorn> TL431 lol
2018-07-11T17:36:48 < kakimir> Thorn: I don't need 2.5V
2018-07-11T17:36:52 < kakimir> I need V/2
2018-07-11T17:36:57 < kakimir> there is a difference
2018-07-11T17:37:16 < invzim> voltage divider?  Depends on where and how much your V/2 is going
2018-07-11T17:37:46 < Thorn> divider + buffer
2018-07-11T17:38:39 < kakimir> yes
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2018-07-11T17:42:52 < englishman> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/10/arm_riscv_website/
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2018-07-11T17:43:32 < Thorn> old
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2018-07-11T17:48:16 < Steffanx> Lol.
2018-07-11T17:48:40 < Steffanx> Good morning englishman, you meant Thorn 
2018-07-11T17:48:56 < englishman> yeah what a cock
2018-07-11T17:49:20 < vampi-the-frog> thanks
2018-07-11T17:57:55 < Steffanx> Goood morning to you too vampi-the-frog 
2018-07-11T17:58:59 < vampi-the-frog> hi
2018-07-11T17:59:12 < vampi-the-frog> I managed to get isochronous OUT transfers working on F4
2018-07-11T17:59:14 < vampi-the-frog> well, with a lot of help
2018-07-11T18:11:01 < Rickta59> at one point I had asked here about best approach to driving ws281x rgb leds .. well I've found a reasonable approach .. timer + dma 
2018-07-11T18:11:13 < Rickta59> http://www.stm32duino.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3827#p47092
2018-07-11T18:11:23 < Rickta59> seems to work well and not that much code
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2018-07-11T19:49:15 < Laurenceb__> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44771942
2018-07-11T19:49:17 < Laurenceb__> wut
2018-07-11T19:49:50 < kakimir> become daytrader Laurenceb__ 
2018-07-11T19:50:02 < kakimir> dying profession
2018-07-11T19:51:44 < vampi-the-frog> "I think of myself as being an ordinary person with a passion, and my passion is the possibility of time travel," 
2018-07-11T19:51:47 < vampi-the-frog> Patreon blurb
2018-07-11T19:53:44 < jadew> idiots
2018-07-11T19:53:59 < jadew> we're already doing that
2018-07-11T19:59:21 < vampi-the-frog> "I think of myself as being an ordinray person who likes to travel forward in time at the speed of one second per second.
2018-07-11T19:59:22 < vampi-the-frog> "
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2018-07-11T20:44:10 < kakimir> how do I calculate a power of fet in ltspice
2018-07-11T20:44:11 < kakimir> ?
2018-07-11T20:44:20 < kakimir> then draw a graph of it too
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2018-07-11T20:53:25 < vampi-the-frog> man and machine
2018-07-11T20:53:31 < vampi-the-frog> power extreme treme treme
2018-07-11T21:01:09 < Steffanx> Is this dance, hip hop .. rap. what is it vampi-the-frog?
2018-07-11T21:01:20 < vampi-the-frog> the centurions
2018-07-11T21:01:46 < vampi-the-frog> try it on youtube
2018-07-11T21:01:53 < kakimir> urk
2018-07-11T21:01:55 < vampi-the-frog> centurions power extreme
2018-07-11T21:01:57 < kakimir> url
2018-07-11T21:02:09 < vampi-the-frog> I can't youtube, I've blocked it
2018-07-11T21:02:11 < vampi-the-frog> just search for that
2018-07-11T21:02:20 < Steffanx> You blocked youtube?
2018-07-11T21:02:25 < vampi-the-frog> yeah
2018-07-11T21:02:32 < Steffanx> ok...
2018-07-11T21:02:50 < Steffanx> why?
2018-07-11T21:02:59 < vampi-the-frog> I was spending too much time on it
2018-07-11T21:03:05 < Steffanx> hehe
2018-07-11T21:03:30 < Steffanx> replaced it with ##stm32 and imgur?
2018-07-11T21:03:47 < vampi-the-frog> yeah ##stm32 and your mom
2018-07-11T21:04:15 < Steffanx> i should have said: ##stm32 and childish behaviour.
2018-07-11T21:30:34 < Laurenceb__> https://twitter.com/Tim_Young78/status/1000083087735353344
2018-07-11T21:30:53 < Laurenceb__> Brand on suicide watch
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2018-07-11T21:33:32 < Laurenceb__> lul these guys https://twitter.com/Judy_T/status/998245548749619200
2018-07-11T21:34:47 < Laurenceb__> the purity spiral is real
2018-07-11T21:34:51 < kakimir> sweet
2018-07-11T21:36:49 < kakimir> should I go to get some food
2018-07-11T21:38:32 < vampi-the-frog> laurence please stay on topic, we're talking about Steffan's mom
2018-07-11T21:38:47 < Laurenceb__> twitter delivers the lulz https://imgur.com/YpcUkGb
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2018-07-11T21:38:50 < Laurenceb__> kek vampi
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2018-07-11T23:43:05 < stvn> The steffan
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2018-07-11T23:49:38 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/zYvBllo.jpg
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2018-07-11T23:50:09 < bitmask> new one came out a lot better, gotta keep the weight of the rail from lifting the pen on the left though
2018-07-11T23:57:56 < stvn> Welcome
2018-07-11T23:58:19 < stvn> I’m enjoying the blog
2018-07-11T23:58:24 < bitmask> thanks :)
2018-07-11T23:59:07 < stvn> For steffan can you make it draw a stroopwafel?
2018-07-11T23:59:31 < kakimir> sweet bitmask 
2018-07-11T23:59:37 < kakimir> you did that?
2018-07-11T23:59:45 < bitmask> yea
2018-07-11T23:59:59 < bitmask> let me post this timelapse of it, brb
--- Day changed Thu Jul 12 2018
2018-07-12T00:17:41 < bitmask> cmon youtube, make the hd available
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2018-07-12T00:22:54 < bitmask> https://youtu.be/3h2LE3ApjZ4
2018-07-12T00:23:02 < bitmask> why is it only showing 240p still 
2018-07-12T00:23:50 < bitmask> oh because thats what it is :/ 
2018-07-12T00:24:38 < kakimir> I can see some movement in the dozen of pixels this video has
2018-07-12T00:24:44 < bitmask> haha
2018-07-12T00:24:55 < kakimir> something it moving in circles
2018-07-12T00:25:07 < bitmask> I need to make a camera mount :)
2018-07-12T00:26:51 < BrainDamage> timeprolapse video
2018-07-12T00:27:07 < stvn> ~
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2018-07-12T00:41:39 < Laurenceb____> bongs on suicide watch
2018-07-12T00:42:36 < kakimir> you mean dongs?
2018-07-12T00:42:48 < Laurenceb____> britbongs
2018-07-12T00:43:54 < kakimir> oh
2018-07-12T00:43:57 < kakimir> why?
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2018-07-12T00:44:17 < kakimir> they lost some of those ball kicking games?
2018-07-12T00:46:28 < Laurenceb____> there are unironically ppl crying in the street
2018-07-12T00:46:36 < Laurenceb____> riot police just closed the city center
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2018-07-12T00:52:01 < Cracki> floods of salt... water?
2018-07-12T00:52:16 < Laurenceb____> yup
2018-07-12T00:52:32 < Cracki> oi m8 where's ya loicens for that bawlin
2018-07-12T00:52:41 < Laurenceb____> some thots in the city center tonight
2018-07-12T00:52:48 < Cracki> inb4 enrichment
2018-07-12T00:52:51 < Laurenceb____> but they are too sad for me to score now
2018-07-12T00:53:00 < Cracki> either you score, or they score
2018-07-12T00:53:28 < Laurenceb____> had to fend off a disgusting thot who was grinding against me earlier, nasty stuff
2018-07-12T00:53:30 < stvn> Gooday sport
2018-07-12T00:53:39 < Cracki> why aren't you into sad crying sexual partners?
2018-07-12T00:53:53 < Cracki> ghey!
2018-07-12T00:54:02 < Cracki> score a bloke then
2018-07-12T00:54:13 < Laurenceb____> booty shorts with iphone tucked into the front, shit was nasty
2018-07-12T00:54:25 < Cracki> hmmmm boy in booty shorts
2018-07-12T00:54:52 < Cracki> you know you _are_ allowed to shower afterwards right?
2018-07-12T00:55:13 < Thorn> what is going on here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z52aRkT4rAk
2018-07-12T00:55:43 < Cracki> current between rods
2018-07-12T00:55:51 < Cracki> fries all the brains between them
2018-07-12T00:56:23 < Thorn> how come it doesn't fry the fisher chick
2018-07-12T00:56:24 < Cracki> prolly only works in fresh water
2018-07-12T00:56:36 < Cracki> (1) rubber boots (2) path of current is the shortest
2018-07-12T00:56:49 < Cracki> short in terms of impedance
2018-07-12T00:57:09 < kakimir> I cannot understand fandom
2018-07-12T00:57:28 < Cracki> which is the reason you get burns on your *skin* if lighting hits you and you're drenched with sweat... passing the skin to run through your flesh is too much bother for the electrons
2018-07-12T00:58:01 < Laurenceb____> I BET ALL MY CRYPTO CURRENCY ON CROATIA IF THEY LOSE I LOSE MY HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2018-07-12T00:58:15  * Laurenceb____ is reading the 4chan shitposts from earlier, good stuff
2018-07-12T00:58:48 < Laurenceb____> Footballs ==NOT== coming home
2018-07-12T00:58:55 < Cracki> gentlemen 1918: reading shitposts in the newspaper. gentlemen 2018: reading shitposts off 4chan.
2018-07-12T01:00:46 < Laurenceb____> lul /brit/ is being raided by Croats
2018-07-12T01:02:54 < Laurenceb____> >Fuck sake, at least our team is more ethnically diverse, so that makes us the winners r-right???.
2018-07-12T01:03:23 < Laurenceb____> irl kekking
2018-07-12T01:04:00 < Cracki> same
2018-07-12T01:04:19 < kakimir> Laurenceb____: are they all black nowdays?
2018-07-12T01:04:35 < kakimir> brit ball kicking team
2018-07-12T01:04:45 < Cracki> no, some are pakistani too
2018-07-12T01:04:47 < Laurenceb____> https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/article-1289489459324-0c023281000005dc-340363_636x412.jpg
2018-07-12T01:05:34 < Cracki> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_national_football_team#Current_squad
2018-07-12T01:06:05 < Cracki> from the names, you would hardly figure
2018-07-12T01:06:45 < Cracki> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_national_football_team#Current_squad
2018-07-12T01:07:20 < Cracki> love these pics where they _almost_ slavsquat and it looks like they give birth to ball-sized turds
2018-07-12T01:07:29 < Thorn> do str and ldr always take 2 cycles (if you disregard wait states)?
2018-07-12T01:07:30 < Laurenceb____> https://imgoat.com/uploads/8ffe9a587b/123474.png
2018-07-12T01:08:39 < Laurenceb____> Thorn: thats what the arm docs say
2018-07-12T01:08:43 < Laurenceb____> unless I cant read...
2018-07-12T01:08:54 < Cracki> I can believe one and a half of these are british https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2018/03/26/13/england-squad.jpg
2018-07-12T01:09:07 < Laurenceb____> it begins https://imgoat.com/uploads/8ffe9a587b/123475.png
2018-07-12T01:16:07 < Thorn> why "England lose", "England play"?
2018-07-12T01:16:47 < Thorn> is that proper Engrish
2018-07-12T01:21:50 < stvn> Hi doctor B
2018-07-12T01:24:02 < Laurenceb____> hi stvn
2018-07-12T01:24:08 < Laurenceb____> today I worked on muh gui
2018-07-12T01:24:21 < stvn> Good work
2018-07-12T01:24:34 < stvn> The gooey interface
2018-07-12T01:25:08 < stvn> Blog that on /g/
2018-07-12T01:25:56 < Laurenceb____> heh
2018-07-12T01:26:08 < Laurenceb____> think there might be an off by one error in my sync code
2018-07-12T01:26:22 < Laurenceb____> other than that gps, audio, and stm32 sensors are all hot swappable
2018-07-12T01:26:28 < Laurenceb____> achievement unlocked
2018-07-12T01:27:02 < stvn> Hey up ya fuckin knobhead
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2018-07-12T01:27:18 < Laurenceb____> audio sync is only to +-10ms cuz I'm too lazy to write fancy alsa interface code
2018-07-12T01:27:42 < stvn> Those free operating systems
2018-07-12T01:31:08 < Laurenceb____> yeah its all userspace codez
2018-07-12T01:32:09 < Laurenceb____> muh audiophool preamp and phantom power gear is so shit its unreal
2018-07-12T01:32:34 < Laurenceb____> loads of crosstalk at low gain, and weird oscillation at ~5Hz
2018-07-12T01:32:55 < Laurenceb____> I have epin eval board from Knowles shipping, should be interesting
2018-07-12T01:35:00 < stvn> Sounds like good audio equipment mate
2018-07-12T01:35:33 < stvn> Give it a whack
2018-07-12T01:35:54 < stvn> Or some deoxit mate
2018-07-12T01:37:40 < Laurenceb____> the maya44 is pretty pro, 18bits with ~1lsb rms noise
2018-07-12T01:38:19 < Laurenceb____> better than Maya Posch
2018-07-12T01:39:05 < Laurenceb____> the queen of ##electronics
2018-07-12T01:39:19 < stvn> Dong’s mate
2018-07-12T01:39:27 < Laurenceb____> http://www.mayaposch.com/   >I am known as "me" and "I"
2018-07-12T01:39:29 < stvn> :3
2018-07-12T01:39:33 < Laurenceb____> lurn muh pronouns
2018-07-12T01:39:42 < Laurenceb____> I identify as an egoist
2018-07-12T01:39:44 < stvn> Yeah that is a great read
2018-07-12T01:40:08 < stvn> lol
2018-07-12T01:41:12 < Laurenceb____> oh wow http://www.nyanko.ws/software.php
2018-07-12T01:41:21 < Laurenceb____> > A wireless microphone solution
2018-07-12T01:41:25 < Laurenceb____> stealing muh shit
2018-07-12T01:42:28 < Laurenceb____> what the... http://www.nyanko.ws/product_sparrow.php
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2018-07-12T01:42:36 < Laurenceb____> literally 1000x lamer than even muh gui
2018-07-12T01:42:39 < X230t> Dongs
2018-07-12T01:42:50 < Laurenceb____> what does maya even do with "her" tiem
2018-07-12T01:42:52 < X230t> Why the fuck do I need to provide an email address to download drivers
2018-07-12T01:42:55 < X230t> That's lame
2018-07-12T01:43:42 < stvn> Lol Laurenceb____
2018-07-12T01:43:46 < stvn> Who knows
2018-07-12T01:43:53 < X230t> Can I use my new ST-link as a UART?
2018-07-12T01:44:35 < Laurenceb____> maybe I should sell muh gui
2018-07-12T01:45:08 < Laurenceb____>  "the connect shittons of random shit into a usb hub and grab synchronised random shit-a-tron"
2018-07-12T01:46:55 < stvn> I’ll buy 1
2018-07-12T01:47:32 < Laurenceb____> oh wow Maya is working on MQTT
2018-07-12T01:47:57 < Laurenceb____> memetic
2018-07-12T01:47:57 < stvn> Maybe you can work together
2018-07-12T01:48:10 < Laurenceb____> everyone involved in MQTT has been insane so far
2018-07-12T01:48:38 < stvn> Well that checks out
2018-07-12T01:48:49 < stvn> :3
2018-07-12T01:51:24 < Laurenceb____> this is good https://mayaposch.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/qt-and-custom-networking-protocols-or-the-holy-grail-of-the-internet/
2018-07-12T01:51:39 < Laurenceb____> >installing an exe from Maya
2018-07-12T01:51:42 < Laurenceb____> nope.jpg
2018-07-12T01:52:24 < stvn> Why not (:
2018-07-12T01:52:51 < Laurenceb____> >what is WinSCP
2018-07-12T01:52:53 < stvn> Is maya an aspie
2018-07-12T01:53:17 < Laurenceb____> yes
2018-07-12T01:55:42 < Laurenceb____> lul now I'm addicted to reading this shit
2018-07-12T01:56:06 < Laurenceb____> >fined 10000 Euros kek
2018-07-12T01:56:38 < Laurenceb____> >during the therapist appointment I suddenly... seized up and found myself convulsing on the floor
2018-07-12T01:59:49 < stvn> Lol
2018-07-12T02:00:54 < stvn> When is UK adopting euros
2018-07-12T02:02:04 < stvn> This exit from the EU is hilarious
2018-07-12T02:02:25 < Cracki> you just wait! they'll speak brusselsese next
2018-07-12T02:02:45 < Cracki> this stops when they figure out who they need to kick out of their country
2018-07-12T02:02:59 < Laurenceb____> >the worst thing about living is that I get to experience wanting to die
2018-07-12T02:03:21 < Laurenceb____> the absolute state of hackkitten
2018-07-12T02:03:23 < Cracki> some systems need a wipe and reinstall
2018-07-12T02:03:31 < stvn> Cool
2018-07-12T02:03:32 < Laurenceb____> heh
2018-07-12T02:03:51  * Cracki thinks back to the electric fishing vid
2018-07-12T02:04:54 < stvn> Imagine a world where everybody is Chinese
2018-07-12T02:05:21 < Cracki> there's this magic book that mentions the number six an insane number of times. it even says there must be a sacrifice involving this number before you can be free.
2018-07-12T02:05:59 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZXdZHrNY/billy.JPG
2018-07-12T02:06:08 < stvn> The oracle
2018-07-12T02:06:20 < Cracki> the NYT has had regular articles involving this magic number since 18xx
2018-07-12T02:06:25 < Cracki> meow
2018-07-12T02:06:34 < stvn> He’ll tell you what to do
2018-07-12T02:06:36 < Laurenceb____> ^ O_o
2018-07-12T02:06:47 < Laurenceb____> ppl saying meow and :3
2018-07-12T02:06:48 < Cracki> put a rectangle of masking tape on the floor
2018-07-12T02:06:53 < Laurenceb____> I'm worried
2018-07-12T02:07:06 < Cracki> you wouldn't be if you knew how hairy I am
2018-07-12T02:07:06 < stvn> Lol yes
2018-07-12T02:07:34 < Cracki> cats are easily impressed by rectangles on floors
2018-07-12T02:07:44 < stvn> Furries are good to stir up online
2018-07-12T02:08:11 < Cracki> they're infested with antifa, that's shitshow enough
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2018-07-12T02:17:45 < upgrdman> whats so special about mqtt?
2018-07-12T02:23:40 < karlp> it's a buzzword a bit at the moment.
2018-07-12T02:24:09 < karlp> people go "oh, you use mqtt, cool, good, [checks box on qualification form][doesn't bother asking anything abotu impelemntation or usecase]"
2018-07-12T02:24:35 < Thorn> it's what all the cool esp32 iot maker:s use afaik
2018-07-12T02:24:50 < Cracki> apart from that, it's a neat pub-sub thingy for any data
2018-07-12T02:25:09 < Cracki> kinda like how IRC is ideal to control bot nets
2018-07-12T02:25:28 < Cracki> they would be using irc if they didn't have mqtt libs for all the internet of shit devices
2018-07-12T02:25:55 < Cracki> I hear that ROS has a similar kinda data distribution scheme
2018-07-12T02:27:45 < Cracki> depending on library, you still have to care about reconnecting...
2018-07-12T02:27:56 < Cracki> (mqtt)
2018-07-12T02:37:45 < karlp> ROS?
2018-07-12T02:39:51 < X230t> MQTT is pretty neat
2018-07-12T02:40:02 < X230t> That's why they're using it
2018-07-12T02:45:20 < Cracki> Robot Operating System
2018-07-12T02:45:52 < Cracki> a bunch of stuff that gets you going quickly. provides you with network abstraction (just provide data feeds, and whatever needs them, subscribes to them)
2018-07-12T02:46:26 < Cracki> afaik, provides "drivers" for all kinds of cameras, probably has a 3d gui, kinematics, simultaenous-location-and-mapping, ...
2018-07-12T02:50:22 < branjb> one of those things that has 10 layers of API between your application and the hardware?
2018-07-12T02:52:01 < Cracki> maybe, maybe not
2018-07-12T02:52:12 < Cracki> if you want to count cycles, it's not helping you
2018-07-12T02:52:23 < Cracki> but it's helping you if counting cycles is your least concern
2018-07-12T02:52:42 < branjb> think there is a market for internet connected penis pumps?
2018-07-12T02:52:48 < branjb> using MQTT
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2018-07-12T02:56:43 < branjb> Laurenceb____ just reading that first paragraph on www.mayaposch.com reminds me of every womyn person in tech.  they're all the same 
2018-07-12T02:57:47 < karlp> not that you'd ever make a sweeping generalization or anything...
2018-07-12T02:58:06 < branjb> i absolutely make sweeping generalizations
2018-07-12T03:00:21 < Cracki> >my good friend
2018-07-12T03:00:22 < Cracki> my sides
2018-07-12T03:00:32 < Cracki> >Purdy
2018-07-12T03:00:36 < Cracki> I wonder whether he is
2018-07-12T03:04:50 < Cracki> read the reviews of her book https://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Multithreading-concurrent-parallel-applications-ebook/dp/B01NBBTHY3
2018-07-12T03:05:40 < branjb> lol "Since Boolean values are generally atomic, setting and checking can be done simultaneously without risk or requiring a mutex."
2018-07-12T03:06:26 < Cracki> reading the value is atomic, meaning you won't get a broken value
2018-07-12T03:06:39 < Cracki> but two operations (r+w) are two operations
2018-07-12T03:08:30 < branjb> blog post quotes XKCmeme
2018-07-12T03:08:43 < Cracki> any serious bit of embedded programming would teach her what multithreading really means
2018-07-12T03:09:17 < Cracki> code for the book https://github.com/PacktPublishing/Mastering-CPP-Multithreading
2018-07-12T03:09:44 < Cracki> I wonder what the reviewer meant by "old-styled C++"
2018-07-12T03:12:15 < branjb> nice her latest post is about designing an RC debounce circuit
2018-07-12T03:22:49 < Cracki> lel an executable and a backup file: https://github.com/PacktPublishing/Mastering-CPP-Multithreading/tree/master/Chapter05/2
2018-07-12T03:23:33 < Thorn> what do I use for wifi? is CC3200 too painful? (cdsenet has a module with it)
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2018-07-12T03:32:04 < branjb> oh wow england blew their lead at half time
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2018-07-12T03:42:43 < Laurenceb____> >every womyn person in tech
2018-07-12T03:42:51 < Laurenceb____> Russian grrrl isnt quite that bad...
2018-07-12T03:42:55 < Laurenceb____>  _quite_
2018-07-12T03:51:40 < Laurenceb____> >Things seem to have settled a bit more now, but as my body works its way through its usual monthly cycle, there is again the sensation of fluids gathering in the vaginal area, accompanied by sharp pains, itching and general discomfort.
2018-07-12T03:51:47 < Laurenceb____> the absolute state of this blog
2018-07-12T03:52:19 < branjb> i'm surprised that didn't end up between /*   */ in some companies bloated code
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2018-07-12T03:56:37 < Laurenceb____> keeek
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2018-07-12T04:04:09 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/0P60Yfg
2018-07-12T04:04:11 < branjb> a classic
2018-07-12T04:07:44 < Laurenceb____> not sure where the trolls start :P
2018-07-12T04:07:49  * Laurenceb____ zzz
2018-07-12T04:11:30 < Cracki> I have never heard of hormone replacement causing sensations in an organ that was never there and never will be?
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2018-07-12T04:21:15 < Thorn> attn dongs https://youtu.be/2cjvB4MFE44?t=40s
2018-07-12T04:22:43 < dongs> motherfucker
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2018-07-12T04:33:05 < Cracki> the russians of course
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2018-07-12T05:05:05 < jadew> I ruined 2 lead free tips by instinctively cleaning them in the brass tip cleaner I use with leaded solder
2018-07-12T05:06:37 < jadew> regarding my soldering station conundrum, I seem to be able to do good joints with the soldering gun
2018-07-12T05:06:57 < jadew> I made a shorter tip for it
2018-07-12T05:07:09 < Thorn> what why did it ruin the tips
2018-07-12T05:07:43 < jadew> Thorn, it contaminated them with lead
2018-07-12T05:08:09 < jadew> I can still use them when soldering with lead, but not with lead free
2018-07-12T05:08:52 < Thorn> serious business
2018-07-12T05:11:23 < Thorn> will lead contamination ruin lead free solder?
2018-07-12T05:11:47 < jadew> so I've read
2018-07-12T05:12:04 < jadew> apparently, even different lead free solders don't mix well together
2018-07-12T05:12:53 < Thorn> yea but what harm can whatever lead remains on your tips do
2018-07-12T05:13:10 < jadew> could compromise a joint
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2018-07-12T09:16:29 < Haohmaru> aww
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2018-07-12T09:52:55 < dongs> https://www.arm-basics.com/ lmao
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2018-07-12T10:08:34 < stvn> lol what
2018-07-12T10:10:24 < stvn> RISK V
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2018-07-12T11:31:20 < dongs> https://www.tindie.com/products/petay/tinypi-pro/ found laurence/b/'s shop
2018-07-12T11:50:11 < stvn> how's it his shop?
2018-07-12T11:50:53 < stvn> the retrogaming brit
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2018-07-12T12:03:12 < stvn> todays little bastard
2018-07-12T12:03:58 < stvn> i need a comparator supplied with 3.3v to monitor a voltage falling below 200mV dc
2018-07-12T12:06:11 < stvn> MCP6546RT-I/OT maybe
2018-07-12T12:06:30 < Haohmaru> sounds very microchippy
2018-07-12T12:06:54 < stvn> can't really disagree with you there................
2018-07-12T12:07:48 < Steffanx> stm32 ofcourse. Comparator or analog watchdog ;)
2018-07-12T12:08:04 < stvn> yeah if I had one in this design :D
2018-07-12T12:08:46 < stvn> i do think this homosexual DSP may have an auxiliary crud ADC too
2018-07-12T12:08:55 < Haohmaru> i'm using the ADC on these xmegas between 0 and 1V
2018-07-12T12:11:00 < stvn> here i was thinking I could get simple cheap sot23-5 comparators for 10c in 1 off qty
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2018-07-12T12:14:37 < Steffanx> Sounds like a plan stvn. Mcp is the cheapest i assume?
2018-07-12T12:15:00 < Steffanx> Cannot imagine you need super great specs
2018-07-12T12:15:08 < stvn> exactly
2018-07-12T12:15:11 < stvn> cheapest so far
2018-07-12T12:15:38 < stvn> like its just a voltage this module sends and i just need to know the instant the power is disconnected
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2018-07-12T12:18:23 < stvn> i've been wanting to play with cool little analogue sot23-5 doodads for ages
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2018-07-12T12:21:16 < Steffanx> At least you know how to do the foot print in altium now
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2018-07-12T12:44:47 < stvn> lol
2018-07-12T12:44:53 < stvn> pull it from the vault mate?
2018-07-12T13:07:19 < zyp> https://www.btcnn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/102469213_514e6ce6-4153-42e6-bddd-13934de96a28-1.jpg
2018-07-12T13:10:17 < stvn> ty
2018-07-12T13:11:00 < zyp> better not die, it's against the paypal agreement
2018-07-12T13:11:10 < stvn> haha i'll show those bastards!
2018-07-12T13:11:18 < Haohmaru> is that a letter to a dead person, which informs the person "we learned ur ded, so now u gon suffer cuz we take the following actions.." ?
2018-07-12T13:11:27 < zyp> yep
2018-07-12T13:11:41 < stvn> wow 
2018-07-12T13:11:48 < Haohmaru> wowz paypal.. u so evil
2018-07-12T13:12:00 < stvn> i didn't notice that as i skipped through it
2018-07-12T13:12:06 < stvn> but nice.
2018-07-12T13:12:22 < Haohmaru> her ghost might read it
2018-07-12T13:12:30 < Haohmaru> so, it's not fully pointless
2018-07-12T13:12:42 < Haohmaru> paypal might believe in ghosts
2018-07-12T13:13:41 < Haohmaru> or they might "send" a paypal employee to hunt her down in the streets of hell, and take teh moneyz off of her
2018-07-12T13:14:26 < stvn> this is possible
2018-07-12T13:14:36 < stvn> there is something very jewish about paypal
2018-07-12T13:14:39 < Haohmaru> then they gon' return him back with a defibrilator
2018-07-12T13:15:51 < stvn> could do
2018-07-12T13:16:23 < stvn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_nose
2018-07-12T13:16:25 < stvn> lol
2018-07-12T13:17:02 < stvn> google.... google is pretty neat.
2018-07-12T13:17:03 < Haohmaru> "welcome back, did you get teh moneyz?" "yeah" well what took u so long?" "i banged the ghost of merelyn monroe"
2018-07-12T13:21:37 < Steffanx> It is safe to read out of some array with 16 bit values which is filled by dma at any time right?
2018-07-12T13:22:59 < Haohmaru> define "safe"
2018-07-12T13:24:19 < Steffanx> As in no data corrupted
2018-07-12T13:24:22 < Steffanx> Ion
2018-07-12T13:24:25 < Haohmaru> my uneducated nose expects that since arm is 32bit, messing with 32bit variables is "atomic"
2018-07-12T13:24:47 < Steffanx> Yes, thats why my less educated nose expects too
2018-07-12T13:25:10 < Haohmaru> so if old value was 0x0000 and new value is 0xFFFF - you should never read 0x00FF
2018-07-12T13:25:30 < Haohmaru> ..it should be either the new or the old value
2018-07-12T13:25:48 < zyp> Steffanx, your question is too broad
2018-07-12T13:25:51 < Haohmaru> but better hear the more wise here
2018-07-12T13:26:46 < Steffanx> Why zyp? 
2018-07-12T13:26:56 < Haohmaru> "safe" ;P~
2018-07-12T13:26:58 < zyp> Steffanx, you can expect reads and writes to be atomic to their size
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2018-07-12T13:27:40 < Haohmaru> and i don't know what the situation is with alignment
2018-07-12T13:27:54 < zyp> on cortex-m7 you have cache coherency to deal with
2018-07-12T13:28:05 < Haohmaru> or if that's an issue at all
2018-07-12T13:28:12 < Steffanx> Oh i forgot to say it F0, indeed ;)
2018-07-12T13:28:48 < zyp> is this ADC related?
2018-07-12T13:29:37 < Steffanx> Yes.
2018-07-12T13:29:41 < Haohmaru> zyp's nose is eggcelent
2018-07-12T13:29:50 < zyp> makes sense, then I've done the same you're planning on doing
2018-07-12T13:29:53 < zyp> works fine
2018-07-12T13:30:12 < Haohmaru> telepathic idea transfer in action
2018-07-12T13:30:34 < zyp> i.e. circular DMA from ADC to a buffer with a length matching number of enabled channels
2018-07-12T13:30:49 < zyp> then just read freshest value for each channel at any time in the buffer
2018-07-12T13:31:50 < zyp> in that case you don't care too much if you're reading out the buffer right before a new sample arrives or right after, so the potential race doesn't matter
2018-07-12T13:32:03 < Steffanx> Yes, ty
2018-07-12T13:32:44 < Steffanx> Actually its very unlikely to be an issue, because my adc is trigger at a KHz by a timer
2018-07-12T13:33:20 < zyp> I can't imagine any other usecases where you don't care about synchronizing DMA and reading of the buffer
2018-07-12T13:34:55 < zyp> if you care enough about ADC rate to actually trigger it, you might want to also synchronize reading it out by doing that after the dma complete interrupt
2018-07-12T13:35:27 < zyp> which would make sure you process each sample exactly once
2018-07-12T13:37:52 < zyp> I do this for reading thermistors in the 3d printer firmware I wrote
2018-07-12T13:39:52 < zyp> first I just read the temperatures out of the dma buffer directly, but that was pretty noisy, so I added a DMA complete interrupt that feeds each sample to an averaging filter
2018-07-12T13:40:22 < dongs> zyp always knows how to compute
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2018-07-12T13:41:42 < Steffanx> And then you just read it out of the averaged sample buffer zyp?
2018-07-12T13:41:48 < zyp> yes
2018-07-12T13:42:49 < Haohmaru> you could sample once per second and then use CSI's "enhance" algo to extrapolate the missing samples in the middle
2018-07-12T13:42:55 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/HhRGy
2018-07-12T13:43:17 < stvn> the good old days
2018-07-12T13:43:32 < stvn> moving average
2018-07-12T13:43:42 < Haohmaru> aww zyp.. why "32" hardcoded like that :/
2018-07-12T13:44:13 < zyp> because this shit was fairly quickly hacked up
2018-07-12T13:44:23 < Haohmaru> i know.. but still
2018-07-12T13:44:39 < Steffanx> Hehe. Better not look at other zyp code Haohmaru 
2018-07-12T13:44:46 < zyp> point was to get stuff working, it can be refactored and templated some other time
2018-07-12T13:44:57 < Haohmaru> if (index >= (sizeof(buf)/sizeof(buf[0])))
2018-07-12T13:45:10 < stvn> my approach to code is that 
2018-07-12T13:45:16 < Haohmaru> Steffanx i doubt his code will scare me
2018-07-12T13:45:16 < stvn> just to get shit working
2018-07-12T13:45:21 < Haohmaru> u've not seen mine
2018-07-12T13:45:31 < Haohmaru> <horror.jpg>
2018-07-12T13:45:32 < stvn> i could make people throw up
2018-07-12T13:45:38 < stvn> then bleed through their eyes
2018-07-12T13:45:39 < zyp> haha, you should see the whole file
2018-07-12T13:45:40 < stvn> and dick
2018-07-12T13:45:56 < Haohmaru> nothing compares to my TUI program
2018-07-12T13:46:02 < Haohmaru> all in one header
2018-07-12T13:46:03 < Steffanx> Haohmaru, real pros just template it. No need to use sizeof
2018-07-12T13:46:29 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/odBwh <- this is the whole main.cpp
2018-07-12T13:47:30 < Haohmaru> hm, if i can get mine to look like that after i "clean" it, i'd call it major success
2018-07-12T13:50:59 < Haohmaru> my bootloader main.cpp is 2600 lines, full of comments and disabled junk
2018-07-12T13:51:12 < Haohmaru> i abuse #if 0 too much
2018-07-12T13:51:30 < zyp> 2600 lines sounds like a lot for a bootloader
2018-07-12T13:51:35 < zyp> what does it do?
2018-07-12T13:51:55 < Haohmaru> the main objective is - no button or human interaction required
2018-07-12T13:51:59 < Haohmaru> so it has to be clever
2018-07-12T13:52:49 < Haohmaru> i'm also very near the 8KB flash limit
2018-07-12T13:53:03 < zyp> but what does it do?
2018-07-12T13:53:29 < Haohmaru> i was over it in the beginning, but i reduced the program size after moving to C++17, LTO, -Os, and rewriting some nasty formulas with templates/constexpr
2018-07-12T13:53:57 < Haohmaru> the main thing is, it talks to the server via the same "custom" protocol as the firmware
2018-07-12T13:54:07 < Haohmaru> so the packet processor is all there
2018-07-12T13:54:24 < Haohmaru> it just supports only a few commands
2018-07-12T13:56:10 < Haohmaru> the idea is.. at a given time, the server tells the firmware "lemme talk to your bootloader" and the firmware softresets itself and then the bootloader sees that that's intended (there's a shared structure in RAM for that), so it emits events to the server..
2018-07-12T13:56:20 < Haohmaru> the server can then update the firmware
2018-07-12T13:56:36 < Haohmaru> if something goes wrong, the bootloader should deal with it
2018-07-12T13:56:55 < zyp> just like every other bootloader :)
2018-07-12T13:57:04 < Haohmaru> well, nope
2018-07-12T13:57:15 < Haohmaru> most others have a button on a pin
2018-07-12T13:57:18 < Haohmaru> or a timeout
2018-07-12T13:57:27 < Haohmaru> or "hold these buttons down"
2018-07-12T13:57:42 < zyp> all bootloaders I've written have both
2018-07-12T13:57:51 < Haohmaru> this one doesn't
2018-07-12T13:58:03 < zyp> that's a weakness, not a feature :p
2018-07-12T13:58:29 < Haohmaru> who's gonna climb up in the ceiling to press a button?
2018-07-12T13:58:39 < Haohmaru> ..on 20 of these devices
2018-07-12T13:59:26 < Haohmaru> somewhere in a building in kosovo
2018-07-12T13:59:32 < zyp> easier to press a button to force-start the bootloader to recover than to replace an entire bricked device
2018-07-12T13:59:44 < Haohmaru> yes
2018-07-12T13:59:59 < Haohmaru> that's why the bootloader not only has to be clever, but bug-free
2018-07-12T14:00:01 < Haohmaru> :/
2018-07-12T14:00:19 < Haohmaru> it shouldn't end up in a "bricked" state
2018-07-12T14:00:42 < zyp> bootloader alone being bug-free doesn't protect against a buggy application firmware
2018-07-12T14:00:49 < Haohmaru> that's why i got all kinds of checks and a shared structure in RAM
2018-07-12T14:01:00 < Haohmaru> i'm also thinking to add watchdog crap
2018-07-12T14:01:37 < Haohmaru> yeah, but a buggy firmware can be reflashed if there's a working bootloader
2018-07-12T14:02:00 < Haohmaru> with minimum or no human interaction
2018-07-12T14:02:08 < zyp> not when you rely on the buggy firmware to switch to bootloader mode
2018-07-12T14:02:20 < zyp> after all, you don't want the button to override that
2018-07-12T14:02:36 < Haohmaru> button?
2018-07-12T14:03:06 < zyp> consider this
2018-07-12T14:03:19 < zyp> what good is a bootloader if you can't tell the bootloader to run?
2018-07-12T14:03:36 < Haohmaru> of course.. i've considered it
2018-07-12T14:04:25 < zyp> all my bootloaders normally works completely hands off, host sends a command to application telling it to switch to bootloader mode
2018-07-12T14:04:36 < zyp> then it transfers new firmware and switches back to application
2018-07-12T14:05:04 < Haohmaru> but i'm not sure what can happen in a firmware, that would make it bricked in such a way that the server cannot effectively contact the bootloader
2018-07-12T14:05:54 < Haohmaru> in any case, a RESET would cause the bootloader to run
2018-07-12T14:06:36 < zyp> how do you decide whether to enter bootloader or application mode after a reset?
2018-07-12T14:06:38 < Haohmaru> if the program somehow randomly jumps to the bootloader during "normal firmware operation" - the bootloader will detect this
2018-07-12T14:07:33 < Haohmaru> i watch the RESET controller (it has reasons for reset), then i also have a shared structure in RAM which is not initialized
2018-07-12T14:07:53 < Haohmaru> on POR - the bootloader clears that structure
2018-07-12T14:08:04 < zyp> yeah?
2018-07-12T14:08:26 < Haohmaru> if the firmware wants to "go to the bootloader" - it must put some magical value in that structure, and soft-reset itself
2018-07-12T14:08:48 < zyp> yes, that's how my bootloaders also work
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2018-07-12T14:09:15 < Haohmaru> if a random jump happens and it goes to the bootloader, the bootloader will know because the RESET reasons will indicate "wtf" and the magic in the shared struct won't be there
2018-07-12T14:09:30 < zyp> nobody has talked about random jumps
2018-07-12T14:09:40 < Haohmaru> i've seen em happen ;P~
2018-07-12T14:09:59 < Haohmaru> when i touchy da kristal
2018-07-12T14:10:05 < zyp> haha
2018-07-12T14:10:23 < Haohmaru> on a previous pcb design which was uber wrong
2018-07-12T14:10:31 < Haohmaru> now i got more proper pcb
2018-07-12T14:10:35 < Haohmaru> but still..
2018-07-12T14:10:56 < zyp> but anyway, picture this
2018-07-12T14:11:04 < Haohmaru> my xmega is no longer right next to 250VAC relays
2018-07-12T14:11:24 < zyp> application firmware runs into a deadlock somewhere, rendering your device unresponsive
2018-07-12T14:11:49 < zyp> people try the good old "turn it off and on again"
2018-07-12T14:11:59 < Haohmaru> then at worst, a human will have to go and power-cycle the device
2018-07-12T14:12:16 < zyp> bootloader sees a POR, starts application, application runs into the deadlock again
2018-07-12T14:12:36 < Hamilton> literally wasted ~5 hours trying to bring up a hello world in Rust under windows
2018-07-12T14:12:38 < Haohmaru> if this deadlock happens so fast that the server can't send the "pls bootloader" command - dafuq have i done with the firmware then
2018-07-12T14:12:47 < zyp> since the application is deadlocked, it doesn't accept the "switch to bootloader" command, and you have no other way to force the bootloader
2018-07-12T14:13:10 < zyp> well
2018-07-12T14:13:21 < zyp> are you doing a checksum of the application firmware contents?
2018-07-12T14:13:25 < Haohmaru> but yes, for a situation like that, i've been thinking to look into the watchdog thing
2018-07-12T14:13:43 < Haohmaru> i'm doing fletcher16 checksums for now
2018-07-12T14:14:01 < Haohmaru> two, one of the binary only, and another one with the binary+header
2018-07-12T14:14:31 < zyp> so the bootloader reads the flash every startup and goes into bootloader mode if it doesn't match?
2018-07-12T14:14:39 < Haohmaru> also, the xmega can do a CRC32 on the flash section, so i might add a command for getting that too
2018-07-12T14:14:50 < Haohmaru> no
2018-07-12T14:15:03 < Haohmaru> the bootloader only checks the first flash word
2018-07-12T14:15:08 < zyp> then you don't guard against flash corruption
2018-07-12T14:15:13 < Haohmaru> nope
2018-07-12T14:15:25 < zyp> start executing corrupt flash contents -> deadlock
2018-07-12T14:15:31 < zyp> pretty deterministic too
2018-07-12T14:15:38 < Haohmaru> is it?
2018-07-12T14:16:34 < Haohmaru> i've not yet gotten to flash a firmware
2018-07-12T14:16:41 < Haohmaru> i'm about to now
2018-07-12T14:17:04 < Haohmaru> and i've not checked out how fast the "CRC32" will be
2018-07-12T14:17:19 < Haohmaru> if it's fast enough - i might consider doing a check every time
2018-07-12T14:17:27 < zyp> watchdog can help guard against a bunch of cases, but it's not infallible
2018-07-12T14:18:31 < zyp> and you might not want to enter bootloader for every single watchdog reset, especially not if the host is not able to recognize an unexpected bootloader entry and recover
2018-07-12T14:18:35 < Haohmaru> this thing has 128K program flash, so if it takes too long to CRC32, i don't know
2018-07-12T14:21:21 < Haohmaru> in normal conditions, on reset, the bootloader should check all the nasty things uber quickly and run the firmware
2018-07-12T14:21:40 < zyp> after reset, my bootloaders would enter bootloader mode after reset either if they detect application firmware is missing (I just look for a valid reset vector), if there is a magic word in the shared ram area or if the recovery situation is present
2018-07-12T14:21:46 < Haohmaru> cuz i don't initialize the board-specific pins, only those which are important for the bootloader to operate
2018-07-12T14:22:45 < zyp> different boards have different recovery conditions; one board just got a simple button, one board has a bunch of connectors for external buttons, so it looks for a given pattern of buttons pressed
2018-07-12T14:23:08 < Haohmaru> nah.. none of the boards will have buttons
2018-07-12T14:23:41 < zyp> in the first case, I added the button solely for entering bootloader mode
2018-07-12T14:23:54 < Haohmaru> all of them have a synchronous USART which is connected to a module that does usart<->tcp
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2018-07-12T14:24:53 < zyp> a smt button costs very little, you'll make that money back if it saves only a single bricked device :p
2018-07-12T14:26:31 < Haohmaru> i haven't put a button on the board
2018-07-12T14:26:48 < Haohmaru> but i do have an innocent no-name LED
2018-07-12T14:27:03 < Haohmaru> that is, a LED that doesn't have a specific purpose
2018-07-12T14:27:11 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/crJLt.JPG <- here's the board with the button
2018-07-12T14:27:31 < Haohmaru> so i could make the bootloader turn it into an input for some time and check the logic level on it
2018-07-12T14:27:47 < zyp> haha
2018-07-12T14:27:50 < Haohmaru> wow, a huge button
2018-07-12T14:27:58 < Haohmaru> that 4-leg thing with the yellow, right?
2018-07-12T14:28:07 < zyp> button's not so huge, the board is super small
2018-07-12T14:28:27 < Haohmaru> it looks smaller than my eth module
2018-07-12T14:28:36 < zyp> it's a nfc reader
2018-07-12T14:28:42 < Haohmaru> ah
2018-07-12T14:28:53 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/BJH8h.jpg <- here's the board on top of one of the cards it's reading
2018-07-12T14:29:06 < zyp> (standard credit card size)
2018-07-12T14:29:24 < Haohmaru> yeah it's small
2018-07-12T14:29:36 < Haohmaru> my eth module is 70x40mm
2018-07-12T14:29:38 < zyp> it didn't look that small in altium when I designed it :)
2018-07-12T14:29:49 < Haohmaru> nor did mine >:)
2018-07-12T14:29:59 < Haohmaru> i even managed to assemble it by hand
2018-07-12T14:30:13 < Haohmaru> 0603 and that 0.5mm pitch wiznet chip.. wasn't fun
2018-07-12T14:30:19 < zyp> haha
2018-07-12T14:31:05 < Steffanx> Is wiznet still a thing?
2018-07-12T14:31:18 < Steffanx> Long time ago to i heard that name
2018-07-12T14:31:21 < Steffanx> -to
2018-07-12T14:31:25 < Haohmaru> not sure
2018-07-12T14:31:36 < zyp> now I wonder how big that ethernet board I did were
2018-07-12T14:31:41 < Haohmaru> my module is w5500+xmega(host)
2018-07-12T14:31:57 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/rL7QV.png
2018-07-12T14:32:06 < Haohmaru> it works as a transparent tcp<->usart pipe
2018-07-12T14:32:36 < zyp> size was dictated by those connectors on the bottom, could probably have been made smaller if they weren't so far away from each other
2018-07-12T14:32:36 < Haohmaru> wowz, that LED there
2018-07-12T14:32:41 < Haohmaru> or is it a supernova
2018-07-12T14:32:47 < zyp> haha, yeah
2018-07-12T14:33:04 < zyp> first batch had way too strong leds
2018-07-12T14:33:41 < Haohmaru> i put 10k resistors on muh leds
2018-07-12T14:33:56 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/3QJ4w.JPG <- I experimented with resistors in series to find a more appropriate resistance
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2018-07-12T14:34:41 < Haohmaru> mm, mini stone henge
2018-07-12T14:34:43 < stvn> good job
2018-07-12T14:35:02 < stvn> just rigging in a pot
2018-07-12T14:35:13 < Haohmaru> 361 - is that 360 ohms?
2018-07-12T14:35:19 < zyp> yes
2018-07-12T14:35:23 < Haohmaru> u crazy
2018-07-12T14:35:45 < stvn> why
2018-07-12T14:35:58 < Haohmaru> such much current ;P~
2018-07-12T14:36:34 < zyp> when I tuned the antenna on that nfc board, I kept stacking capacitors until I found the right capacitance for it
2018-07-12T14:36:38 < Thorn> iirc max current for a ~300Ω 0603 resistor is slightly under 10mA
2018-07-12T14:36:45 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/m0yyr.JPG https://bin.jvnv.net/file/uNgNm.JPG
2018-07-12T14:36:53 < stvn> yes
2018-07-12T14:37:05 < Thorn> so if you're using 0603 for a led it's operating close to the dissipation limit
2018-07-12T14:37:22 < stvn> ty for sharing your capacitor stack
2018-07-12T14:37:48 < zyp> stvn, just since we were on the topic of smt sculptures :)
2018-07-12T14:37:53 < Haohmaru> it looks like those indian monuments
2018-07-12T14:38:16 < stvn> :D
2018-07-12T14:44:32 < jadew> Thorn, 0603 usually has a rating of .1 W
2018-07-12T14:44:57 < jadew> 10 mA^2 * 300 Ohm = 0.03 W
2018-07-12T14:45:03 < jadew> there's room for more
2018-07-12T14:45:33 < jadew> I use 2k resistors with my LEDs
2018-07-12T14:46:58 < Haohmaru> i put 10k, but those LEDs are not made to be like visible indicators
2018-07-12T14:50:44 < aandrew> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/m0yyr.JPG <-- hahaha couldn't find the resistor you needed
2018-07-12T14:51:08 < aandrew> oh it's a cap stack not an resistor stack
2018-07-12T14:51:12 < zyp> yeah
2018-07-12T14:51:22 < jadew> I've only done that with 3, max 4 components
2018-07-12T14:51:37 < aandrew> yeah I'm about 3-4 as well
2018-07-12T14:51:51 < aandrew> but I've made stonehenges and teepees out of components to get to the circuit I needed
2018-07-12T14:51:52 < jadew> get's annoying to keep them together at that point
2018-07-12T14:52:01 < jadew> me too
2018-07-12T14:52:19 < zyp> aandrew, the point of that thing was tuning, to figure out what value I needed
2018-07-12T14:52:23 < aandrew> similar with mosfets or sot23-# devices, little circuit sculptures because I fucked up a schematic or layout
2018-07-12T14:52:37 < aandrew> zyp: I get it, 100% understood
2018-07-12T14:52:41 < zyp> I had it hooked up to the VNA, and then I kept adding caps until the smith chart looked right
2018-07-12T14:52:51 < jadew> zyp, you also added inductance tho
2018-07-12T14:53:00 < aandrew> I'm looking at buying that pocketvna
2018-07-12T14:53:16 < aandrew> I'm doing enough RF shits now that being able to actually see what's oging on is becoming important
2018-07-12T14:53:32 < zyp> I could have kept replacing it with progressively larger caps, but it's easier to just buy a tape of a small value and stack them
2018-07-12T14:54:17 < aandrew> heh I just thought of a good anme ofr stonehenged resistors: ohmhenge
2018-07-12T14:54:24 < zyp> haha
2018-07-12T14:54:45 < jadew> that works
2018-07-12T14:54:46 < Haohmaru> hahaah
2018-07-12T14:55:08 < Haohmaru> Ftone henge for caps then
2018-07-12T14:55:59 < zyp> hmm, pocketvna looks nice too, but it's not what I have
2018-07-12T14:56:02 < zyp> I got this one: http://miniradiosolutions.com/54-2/
2018-07-12T14:56:18 < aandrew> er no
2018-07-12T14:56:24 < aandrew> that is the one I want, I thoght it was pocketvna
2018-07-12T14:56:38 < aandrew> not sure wtf a pocketvna is, I thought that was the name
2018-07-12T14:56:40 < zyp> http://pocketvna.com/ <- this thing looks fairly comparable
2018-07-12T14:56:51 < zyp> about the same price, a little bit wider range
2018-07-12T14:57:33 < aandrew> indeed
2018-07-12T14:58:05 < zyp> "The first hardware version of PocketVNA was released in March 2016."
2018-07-12T14:58:10 < zyp> that's around when I bought mine
2018-07-12T14:59:28 < Thorn> Dave has recently reviewed a $5k 50MHz VNA
2018-07-12T15:00:23 < Ecco> What's the use of a VNA?
2018-07-12T15:01:22 < Thorn> it lets you be an EE instead of running blind
2018-07-12T15:01:26 < Ecco> I just read the wikipedia page, I have no clue what's this is about
2018-07-12T15:01:38 < BrainDamage> it measures scattering parameters of a RF circuit
2018-07-12T15:01:43 < zyp> Ecco, they are nice for antenna tuning
2018-07-12T15:02:04 < Ecco> ELI5 scattering parameters?
2018-07-12T15:02:14 < BrainDamage> you throw some power, into a circuit, and you know how much is reflected and how much is transmitted through
2018-07-12T15:02:20 < Ecco> So it's like an oscilloscope but for radiofrequencies?
2018-07-12T15:02:42 < zyp> not exactly
2018-07-12T15:02:43 < BrainDamage> no, it doesn't visualize existing signals
2018-07-12T15:02:58 < BrainDamage> it's like a bode plotter, but for those 2 characteristics
2018-07-12T15:03:08 < Ecco> ok, so it somehow gives you indication about an existing circuit?
2018-07-12T15:03:19 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/6cVmy.gif <- here's how my nfc antenna looked before tuning
2018-07-12T15:03:21 < BrainDamage> >BrainDamage: you throw some power, into a circuit, and you know how much is reflected and how much is transmitted through
2018-07-12T15:03:31 < BrainDamage> that's exactly what a VNA does
2018-07-12T15:03:33 < Ecco> namely, how it behaves in terms of radio emissions?
2018-07-12T15:03:56 < Ecco> I quite don't understand "reflected vs transmitted"
2018-07-12T15:03:59 < zyp> the yellow marker is the target nfc frequency, the green line is a sweep from 10-20MHz
2018-07-12T15:04:18 < zyp> when the antenna is optimally tuned, the yellow marker should rest in the center of that graph
2018-07-12T15:04:28 < Thorn> Ecco: time for some EE education. google 2-port circuit, S-parameters
2018-07-12T15:04:31 < Ecco> ok
2018-07-12T15:04:37 < BrainDamage> one thing that circuits at RF do is that the signal is not the same along the physical size
2018-07-12T15:04:46 < BrainDamage> it can literally bounce off, because it's a wave
2018-07-12T15:05:03 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/fxfyo.gif <- here's a typical wifi antenna, sweep from 2.4 to 2.5 GHz
2018-07-12T15:05:34 < Ecco> zyp: interesting. Except I have no idea what the axis are on this chart :)
2018-07-12T15:05:46 < zyp> complex impedance
2018-07-12T15:05:59 < BrainDamage> reading a smith chart is not exactly intuitive
2018-07-12T15:06:10 < BrainDamage> it'd be better if say, you showed him S11 vs frequency
2018-07-12T15:06:26 < BrainDamage> or S12
2018-07-12T15:06:27 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/wobo6.jpg <- same wifi antenna
2018-07-12T15:07:37 < Ecco> The wikipedia page about S-parameters is full of math but badly lacks actual examples
2018-07-12T15:07:54 < Ecco> ok, what's RL?
2018-07-12T15:07:59 < zyp> return loss
2018-07-12T15:08:16 < zyp> it sends power into the antenna, looks at reflected energy
2018-07-12T15:08:22 < Ecco> ok
2018-07-12T15:08:27 < Ecco> oh, I see
2018-07-12T15:08:34 < zyp> the more energy the antenna radiates, the less is reflected back to the transmitter
2018-07-12T15:08:39 < Ecco> So it tells you how much of the power you sent the antenna was actually emitted
2018-07-12T15:08:44 < zyp> yep
2018-07-12T15:08:57 < Ecco> all along the frequency range you're interested in
2018-07-12T15:08:59 < Ecco> ok, makes sense
2018-07-12T15:10:16 < zyp> S11 is reflection, i.e. a single port test
2018-07-12T15:10:38 < zyp> S12 is transmission, i.e. send on one port, receive on the other port, measure how much gets through
2018-07-12T15:10:49 < zyp> S11 is useful for testing antennas, S12 is useful for testing filters
2018-07-12T15:11:18 < Ecco> oh, ok, I see. In practice, what are filters used for?
2018-07-12T15:11:41 < zyp> RF filters? all sorts of stuff
2018-07-12T15:12:03 < Ecco> such as? :)
2018-07-12T15:12:17 < Ecco> (I'm a total newb regarding RF)
2018-07-12T15:12:29 < BrainDamage> selecting a frequency, discarding another, let a transmitter sit next to a receiver, etc
2018-07-12T15:13:13 < Ecco> "selecting a frequency, discarding another" -> well that's pretty much the definition of a fitler I guess
2018-07-12T15:13:16 < Ecco> "let a
2018-07-12T15:13:20 < Ecco> let a
2018-07-12T15:13:22 < Ecco>                      transmitter sit next to a receiver"
2018-07-12T15:13:31 < Ecco> -> Now thta's interesting. How would that work?
2018-07-12T15:13:41 < Ecco> (sorry for the botched copy/paste)
2018-07-12T15:13:58 < zyp> forget about RF, how much signal theory do you know? e.g. sampling and aliasing
2018-07-12T15:14:43 < zyp> do you know how the superheterodyne principle works?
2018-07-12T15:19:11 < Ecco> "sampling and aliasing" -> well I know about the shannon frequency
2018-07-12T15:19:17 < Ecco> superheterodyne -> never heard of this
2018-07-12T15:20:09 < zyp> it's a common way to build radio receivers
2018-07-12T15:21:19 < zyp> when you mix two frequencies A and B, you end up with a spectrum containing both plus the sum and the difference (A + B and A - B)
2018-07-12T15:22:27 < zyp> a superheterodyne receiver is making use of this to make an easily tunable receiver
2018-07-12T15:23:17 < aandrew> yep.
2018-07-12T15:23:21 < zyp> at the end you have a radio receiver working at a fixed frequency, let's say 10 MHz, this is called an intermediate frequency (IF)
2018-07-12T15:23:27 < Thorn> for theory, google intermodulation
2018-07-12T15:24:05 < aandrew> Ecco: imagine building a radio (like FM music stations) -- you want to be able to receive any station from 88MHz to 108MHz. How do you build a receiver that works well at any of the frequencies at that range?
2018-07-12T15:24:20 < zyp> then you have a tunable oscillator, which you set up so that either the sum or the difference with your target frequency ends up being 10 MHz
2018-07-12T15:24:32 < aandrew> oh zyp's explaining it. I'll shut up :-)
2018-07-12T15:24:47 < BrainDamage> you need a frequency anytime you use multiplication to do frequency shifting, not just when heterodyning
2018-07-12T15:25:06 < BrainDamage> even a homodyne requires a filter to select one of the 2 signals
2018-07-12T15:25:22 < zyp> if you set the oscillator at 100 MHz, you'll receive both 90 and 110 MHz as 10 MHz now
2018-07-12T15:25:28 < zyp> so you need filters to select one
2018-07-12T15:25:39 < zyp> BrainDamage, true
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2018-07-12T15:26:02 < zyp> I'm giving an example, not claiming it's the only use
2018-07-12T15:26:19 < BrainDamage> k, sorry for the pedantry then
2018-07-12T15:27:34 < Ecco> Oh, I see
2018-07-12T15:27:54 < Ecco> Thanks a lot
2018-07-12T15:28:01 < Ecco> Now, the very first sentence seems weird
2018-07-12T15:28:12 < zyp> which one?
2018-07-12T15:28:32 < Ecco> how mixing two signals, one at freq A and freq B could end up with a A+B and A-B ?
2018-07-12T15:28:39 < BrainDamage> it's basic trig
2018-07-12T15:28:52 < Ecco> I mean, if you plot sin(5x)+sin(x), for example
2018-07-12T15:28:53 < Thorn> Ecco: >for theory, google intermodulation
2018-07-12T15:29:06 < Thorn> the mixer is nonlinear
2018-07-12T15:29:07 < BrainDamage> cos(a)cos(b) = 0.5[cos(a+b)+cos(a-b)]
2018-07-12T15:29:19 < BrainDamage> it's multiplication, not sum
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2018-07-12T15:29:27 < Ecco> oh
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2018-07-12T15:29:37 < Ecco> yeah ok makes perfect sense then
2018-07-12T15:30:18 < Ecco> lemme re-read it all then
2018-07-12T15:31:05 < Ecco> ok it makes sense. Thanks :)
2018-07-12T15:31:16 < zyp> wrt. putting transmitters close to receivers: the internal filters aren't perfect, and the closer you put them, the more energy will leak through and cause aliasing
2018-07-12T15:32:49 < zyp> you can have a transmitter and a receiver doing duplex on a single antenna (different frequencies) if you have a good filter that keeps too much of the tx frequency to leak into the receiver and cause aliasing
2018-07-12T15:35:36 < BrainDamage> you don't need for the frequencies to be separated, if you have a directional coupler/circulator, but it's rare in portable devices
2018-07-12T15:35:49 < BrainDamage> because high isolation circulators tend to be bulky devices
2018-07-12T15:38:06 < Ecco> I see
2018-07-12T15:56:53 < Ultrasauce> i'd be ok with the back of my phone having a big ol' rat-race coupler behind glass or something
2018-07-12T15:56:56 < Ultrasauce> that'd be stylish as fuck
2018-07-12T16:00:34 < Thorn> and a whip antenna
2018-07-12T16:21:09 < dongs> aandrew must be excited about the new fagbooks
2018-07-12T16:21:16 < dongs> ready to drop $4k for a shiny piece of shit
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2018-07-12T16:29:05 < aandrew> dongs: oh?
2018-07-12T16:31:10 < dongs> yeah apple finally innovated 6core shit
2018-07-12T16:31:17 < dongs> and some retarded gaydeon gfx
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2018-07-12T17:21:47 < kakimir> shit yeah
2018-07-12T17:22:02 < kakimir> sensor has programable quiscent voltage
2018-07-12T17:22:17 < kakimir> I can set it to 2.45V and use 2.5V LDO
2018-07-12T17:22:44 < kakimir> 50mV is what I call a margin
2018-07-12T17:24:05 < Haohmaru> blah, when i "jump to the firmware" it's like i jump back to the bootloader.. dafuq
2018-07-12T17:28:11 < Steffanx> It crashes and does a reset?
2018-07-12T17:28:29 < Steffanx> Dont know how smart the xmegas are (or how dumb)
2018-07-12T17:30:35 < Haohmaru> not sure if it "crashes" but it's like it jumps back to the beginning of the bootloader immediately
2018-07-12T17:31:16 < Haohmaru> i'm supposedly following the example code from atmel
2018-07-12T17:32:12 < Haohmaru> busy_wait_for_SPM, set interrupt vectors to application, EIND = 0, jump_to_app();
2018-07-12T17:32:49 < Haohmaru> this generates an eicall instruction, in another example i saw "asm(jmp 0)" being used instead - i tried that - same result
2018-07-12T17:33:51 < Haohmaru> the only other major difference is, all the examples are C, i'm doing this in C++17
2018-07-12T17:36:04 < Thorn> with std::launder() and deduction guides?
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2018-07-12T17:37:35 < Haohmaru> wut
2018-07-12T17:39:27 < kakimir> what is std::launder()
2018-07-12T17:40:03 < kakimir> C++17
2018-07-12T17:40:14 < kakimir> std::launder: the most obscure new feature of C++17
2018-07-12T17:40:23 < Haohmaru> wut it do?
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2018-07-12T17:40:30 < kakimir> no idea
2018-07-12T17:40:48 < kakimir> Don’t ask. If you’re not one of the 5 or so people in the world who already know what this is, you don’t want or need to know.
2018-07-12T17:40:56 < kakimir> https://miyuki.github.io/2016/10/21/std-launder.html
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2018-07-12T17:46:56 < zyp> haha
2018-07-12T17:50:45 < zyp> that use of placement new is so weird
2018-07-12T17:51:12 < zyp> I mean, that's probably the point of placement new, I guess I just don't understand placement new
2018-07-12T17:51:13 < vampi-the-frog> hi
2018-07-12T17:51:16 < vampi-the-frog> w**t's up?
2018-07-12T17:51:31 < vampi-the-frog> I am c*******g m****f
2018-07-12T17:51:51 < vampi-the-frog> Nice w*****r we're h****g.
2018-07-12T17:52:22 < vampi-the-frog> S**32 are my favorite m**************s
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2018-07-12T17:55:14 < Haohmaru> comptroller couldn't decypher that ^
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2018-07-12T17:56:23 < vampi-the-frog> well he can go fuck himself
2018-07-12T17:59:03 < vampi-the-frog> my favorite flavour is v***lla
2018-07-12T17:59:37 < Sadale> vmbella
2018-07-12T17:59:41  * Sadale >:D
2018-07-12T17:59:54 < vampi-the-frog> shut up you c*****ist
2018-07-12T18:00:00 < Sadale> How does vmbella flavor taste like?
2018-07-12T18:00:16 < Sadale> oh. This one gets me. I've no idea on what this c-ist word is.
2018-07-12T18:00:24 < vampi-the-frog> like the milk from the teat of Mother Russia, you c*****ist
2018-07-12T18:00:24 < dongs> cuntist, obviously
2018-07-12T18:00:29 < Sadale> English isn't my first languae >_<
2018-07-12T18:00:35 < Sadale> oh. Didn't know that it's a word.
2018-07-12T18:00:42 < day> cunt**ist
2018-07-12T18:00:49 < dongs> ^ trying too hard
2018-07-12T18:00:52 < vampi-the-frog> try again c****e
2018-07-12T18:00:52 < Sadale> hmm. so it isn't cunt**ist.
2018-07-12T18:01:01 < Sadale> create?
2018-07-12T18:01:02 < dongs> its communist you stupid cunts
2018-07-12T18:01:08 < dongs> (and commie)
2018-07-12T18:01:10 < dongs> for last one
2018-07-12T18:01:11 < Sadale> ah!
2018-07-12T18:01:14 < vampi-the-frog> da
2018-07-12T18:02:01 < Sadale> ya net commie. :P
2018-07-12T18:03:04 < vampi-the-frog> I once read a book about einstein
2018-07-12T18:03:13 < vampi-the-frog> but half the chapters were about lenin and how great he was
2018-07-12T18:03:48 < vampi-the-frog> and I actually believed that trash till later I realized it's a book that came from the communist era and that was propaganda
2018-07-12T18:04:09 < vampi-the-frog> it really made Lenin look like a brave and smart man
2018-07-12T18:06:39 < day> so the capitalist propagada conviced you from the opposite?
2018-07-12T18:07:08 < vampi-the-frog> actually
2018-07-12T18:07:32 < vampi-the-frog> I am convinced that politics is for two kinds of people
2018-07-12T18:08:01 < vampi-the-frog> 1. Insecure men who think that power is to be gained over others instead of over oneself.
2018-07-12T18:08:24 < vampi-the-frog> 2. People who are in it for the long run and actually study this stuff and do it right
2018-07-12T18:08:49 < vampi-the-frog> I am only up to date on politics because of my personal insecurities which are projected onto the world.
2018-07-12T18:09:14 < vampi-the-frog> For example, I'm afraid of muslims because I'm afraid that my faith isn't strong enough and I could get converted to islam by force.
2018-07-12T18:09:28 < vampi-the-frog> because that's what they do, the dawa
2018-07-12T18:10:40 < vampi-the-frog> Or, at some level, I'm afraid that I agree with muslims, women should be mere baby makers with no rights.
2018-07-12T18:10:50 < vampi-the-frog> So I keep asking myself, what's the alternative?
2018-07-12T18:11:07 < vampi-the-frog> I've heard a bunch of guys talk about Jesus on youtube
2018-07-12T18:11:21 < vampi-the-frog> one guy had converted from islam and he's the most christian guy I've ever heard
2018-07-12T18:11:31 < karlp> notfunnyvampi.png
2018-07-12T18:12:12 < vampi-the-frog> one guy (David Wood) said that sometimes all you have to do is show muslims some quotes from the quran and they leave islam
2018-07-12T18:13:32 < vampi-the-frog> personally, I think they should make tons of movies about Muhammad showing who he really is
2018-07-12T18:13:36 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BlIkpswnxoY/
2018-07-12T18:14:03 < vampi-the-frog> nice c*t
2018-07-12T18:15:44 < Haohmaru> vampi-the-frog so, u religious?
2018-07-12T18:15:53 < Haohmaru> well THAT's yer problem ;P~
2018-07-12T18:15:54 < vampi-the-frog> not yet
2018-07-12T18:16:00 < Haohmaru> wuty
2018-07-12T18:16:07 < Haohmaru> u want to be?
2018-07-12T18:16:09 < vampi-the-frog> yeah
2018-07-12T18:16:13 < Haohmaru> x_x
2018-07-12T18:16:20 < vampi-the-frog> I wouldn't be afraid of muslims if I was more secure in my faith
2018-07-12T18:16:28 < vampi-the-frog> I could more easily see their lies
2018-07-12T18:16:51 < vampi-the-frog> look, when you get goosebumps when watching a movie, that's a religious experience
2018-07-12T18:17:09 < vampi-the-frog> I get goosebumps when I hear about Jesus
2018-07-12T18:17:10 < Haohmaru> why do you have to be religious to see that a given religion (or all of them) is bullsh*t
2018-07-12T18:17:20 < vampi-the-frog> cause they're not
2018-07-12T18:17:26 < vampi-the-frog> islam is, though
2018-07-12T18:17:38 < Haohmaru> as if islam is any different from the others
2018-07-12T18:17:39 < vampi-the-frog> their god only has conditional love, whereas our God loves unconditionally
2018-07-12T18:17:39 < Haohmaru> >:)
2018-07-12T18:17:42 < vampi-the-frog> it is
2018-07-12T18:17:48 < vampi-the-frog> are you familiar with the life of Mohammad?
2018-07-12T18:17:50 < karlp> stahp
2018-07-12T18:17:53 < Haohmaru> who's "your" god?
2018-07-12T18:18:00 < vampi-the-frog> the Christian God
2018-07-12T18:18:03 < vampi-the-frog> YHWH
2018-07-12T18:18:40 < vampi-the-frog> point is, whether you follow a religious system or not, you're still religious. might as well admit it
2018-07-12T18:19:45 < Haohmaru> fine, then my religion must be the spaghetti monster
2018-07-12T18:19:56 < vampi-the-frog> that's a girly man's religion
2018-07-12T18:20:05 < Haohmaru> now now
2018-07-12T18:20:05 < vampi-the-frog> soy boy church
2018-07-12T18:20:15 < vampi-the-frog> it's for immature people
2018-07-12T18:20:18 < Haohmaru> pls, read your bible
2018-07-12T18:20:22 < Haohmaru> have you?
2018-07-12T18:20:25 < vampi-the-frog> yes
2018-07-12T18:20:31 < Haohmaru> mmm right
2018-07-12T18:20:46 < vampi-the-frog> what's your point though
2018-07-12T18:20:56 < Haohmaru> i don't care
2018-07-12T18:21:14 < vampi-the-frog> try Jordan Peterson's biblical lectures
2018-07-12T18:21:22 < Haohmaru> if you care - maybe reasearch it.. it's bullsh*t
2018-07-12T18:21:33 < vampi-the-frog> it's wise and meaningful
2018-07-12T18:21:56 < vampi-the-frog> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wWBGo6a2w
2018-07-12T18:22:07 < Haohmaru> if you were born in a different part of the world, you'd be praising islam now
2018-07-12T18:22:19 < Haohmaru> or <insert_bullsh*t_religion_here>
2018-07-12T18:22:21 < vampi-the-frog> yes, I was fortunate
2018-07-12T18:22:29 < vampi-the-frog> no no, islam is the most bullshit false religion
2018-07-12T18:22:43 < vampi-the-frog> it's tops
2018-07-12T18:22:44 < Haohmaru> afaik it has MOST in common with christianity
2018-07-12T18:22:56 < vampi-the-frog> ok so
2018-07-12T18:23:09 < vampi-the-frog> the quran denies the deity, death on the cross and resurrection of Christ
2018-07-12T18:23:45 < vampi-the-frog> it references old arabic stories about His life, but they are not the stories in the Bible
2018-07-12T18:24:06 < vampi-the-frog> it has some things in common, but they're sometimes skewed
2018-07-12T18:24:12 < dongs> vampi-the-frog: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2018-07-12T18:24:23 < vampi-the-frog> sure
2018-07-12T18:24:35 < Haohmaru> wow, dongs
2018-07-12T18:24:37 < Haohmaru> such delicate
2018-07-12T18:24:40 < Haohmaru> nice
2018-07-12T18:24:46 < dongs> Haohmaru, I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on.
2018-07-12T18:25:08 < dongs> and with that, bedtime
2018-07-12T18:25:15 < Haohmaru> oh boy
2018-07-12T18:25:23 < vampi-the-frog> just**e has been s***ed
2018-07-12T18:25:25 < Haohmaru> better ignore antto as well
2018-07-12T18:28:57 < Haohmaru> look wut u did, maaan
2018-07-12T18:31:37 < Sadale> justice
2018-07-12T18:31:53 < Haohmaru> the population has decreased with 1 person, as seen by dongs
2018-07-12T18:32:01 < Haohmaru> what a loss
2018-07-12T18:32:36 < Haohmaru> some action should be taken
2018-07-12T18:32:42 < Haohmaru> but i don't know what
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2018-07-12T18:48:30 < aandrew> dongs: the one I'd get is about $2200 (i7, 16G, 512G, no touchbar bs)
2018-07-12T18:48:53 < aandrew> but that's still 13" instead of 11" which no longer exists
2018-07-12T18:51:15 < zyp> Steffanx, found this today: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/4qGZM.jpg
2018-07-12T18:52:35 < emeb> Mmmm... salami and stroopwafels
2018-07-12T18:52:44 < emeb> Breakfast of champions.
2018-07-12T18:53:02 < BrainDamage> don't you guys have fried chicken on waffles?
2018-07-12T18:53:42 < emeb> I've been to a restaurant that serves that. Tried it. Wasn't impressed.
2018-07-12T18:54:53 < zyp> this was some european food market thing they're doing today
2018-07-12T18:55:44 < emeb> A taste of Europe!
2018-07-12T18:55:53 < zyp> didn't have much interesting in the way of dinner, but I might go have belgian waffles for dessert later
2018-07-12T18:56:09 < emeb> But wait - isn't Norway part of Europe already? So all the food there is already European.
2018-07-12T18:56:26 < zyp> yes, yes
2018-07-12T18:56:31  * emeb quibbles
2018-07-12T18:58:07 < emeb> This is what happens when it takes an hour to build an FPGA. Engineers waste time in trivial matters.
2018-07-12T18:58:16 < zyp> haha
2018-07-12T18:59:18 < zyp> reminds me of when I were working with android
2018-07-12T18:59:37 < zyp> full system builds typically took 40 minutes
2018-07-12T19:00:15 < emeb> Ugh. And I suppose that was a frequent occurrence.
2018-07-12T19:00:49 < zyp> not too frequent, thankfully
2018-07-12T19:01:14 < zyp> and eventually we got some nice buildservers
2018-07-12T19:02:29 < BrainDamage> https://www.xkcd.com/303/
2018-07-12T19:02:54 < aandrew> never you mind
2018-07-12T19:02:58 < Steffanx> Hah zyp
2018-07-12T19:03:06 < aandrew> my first major fpga project was a pcie soft core based design
2018-07-12T19:03:14 < aandrew> took 30 minutes to get a binary
2018-07-12T19:03:39 < aandrew> said to myself "I've been running this shitty 3GB Pentium D for years. it's time for an upgrade". got the new i7, 24GB of RAM, SSD the whole works
2018-07-12T19:03:44 < aandrew> build time was now 25m
2018-07-12T19:03:57 < aandrew> at least I got a nice computer out of it, and that computer is still 7 years later my workstation
2018-07-12T19:04:02 < zyp> hahaha
2018-07-12T19:04:54 < srk> aandrew: running pretty much the same setup :)
2018-07-12T19:05:09 < zyp> singlethreaded cpu bound workloads don't benefit so much from modern computers
2018-07-12T19:05:19 < aandrew> yep
2018-07-12T19:05:21 < emeb> Yeah - compile times don't seem to be too much affected by the computer horsepower.
2018-07-12T19:05:31 < srk> what :D
2018-07-12T19:05:34 < aandrew> it was funny though. after no real reduction in build time I said "fuck it, let's see what we can do"
2018-07-12T19:05:38 < srk> do you even compile?
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2018-07-12T19:06:09 < aandrew> I ran a monte carlo simulation... after a second or two the power supply audibly changed a bit (kind of a hum) and then the UPS indicated an overload and shut down a few seconds later :-)
2018-07-12T19:06:28 < emeb> We've got three different ppl w/ three different grades of computer working on this and it takes about an hour for any of us to do it.
2018-07-12T19:06:37 < aandrew> *nods*
2018-07-12T19:06:48 < srk> this?
2018-07-12T19:06:57 < emeb> FPGA build
2018-07-12T19:07:01 < srk> haha
2018-07-12T19:07:06 < aandrew> at the time quartus was only mildly multithread aware, but I still think that synthesis and P&R are not easily threaded
2018-07-12T19:07:09 < srk> suckish toolchain at work!
2018-07-12T19:07:13 < srk> enjoy
2018-07-12T19:07:32 < emeb> Yeah. It's interesting to watch the perfmon ramp up and down.
2018-07-12T19:07:47 < aandrew> that is sucha  nice workstation though. GA-X58A-UD3R, i7-950... it's never ever let me down
2018-07-12T19:08:03 < aandrew> originally ran linux then esxi briefly, then hackintosh
2018-07-12T19:08:09 < emeb> Sometimes it hits 400% when all the CPUs are engaged, but mostly not. Conclusion: This toolchain rarely multithreads.
2018-07-12T19:08:59 < srk> aandrew: I'm running i7 X 980, supermicro mobo, intel DC ssd
2018-07-12T19:09:28 < emeb> And of course vivado has memory leaks out the wazoo, so unless you bail out and restart periodically it's eventually going to start swapping. At that point you might as well just cycle power because the machine freezes.
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2018-07-12T19:37:57 < srk> emeb: how long does it take to recompile if you only change few lines?
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2018-07-12T19:42:37 < emeb> srk: for FPGAs there's no such thing as partial recompile
2018-07-12T19:42:50 < emeb> gotta start from scratch.
2018-07-12T19:43:24 < emeb> OK - there is "out of context synthesis" which pre-synthesizes some stuff that you're never going to touch.
2018-07-12T19:43:41 < emeb> but that only shaves off a fraction of the overall time.
2018-07-12T19:46:51 < srk> ah
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2018-07-12T20:07:21 < qyx> bought the RBM33G routerboard
2018-07-12T20:08:07 < qyx> apparently they started using Winbond w25q128jv as a flash chip
2018-07-12T20:08:37 < qyx> I am recompiling openwrt now to include support for it
2018-07-12T20:09:25 < qyx> but it seems it would be faster and easier to replace the flash chip instead
2018-07-12T20:09:57 < PaulFertser> Hehe. OpenWrt should be easily buildable on all *nix systems.
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2018-07-12T20:17:05 < qyx> yeah now I have to wait half a day
2018-07-12T20:30:48 < karlp> wrong channel?
2018-07-12T20:31:35 < karlp> man, even my old laptop was only ~90minutes from scratch.  newer era openwrt buildroot is faster in general.  work laptop does a clean build in 35minu or something now, ~9-10 at home.
2018-07-12T20:52:49 < zyp> it's interesting how work computers tend to be a lot shittier than home computers, while it's at work the productivity benefit would be profitable
2018-07-12T21:03:30 < aandrew> < emeb> srk: for FPGAs there's no such thing as partial recompile
2018-07-12T21:03:31 < aandrew> not true
2018-07-12T21:03:52 < aandrew> even 7 years ago Quartus had that feature, **if** you compartmentalized your system properly
2018-07-12T21:08:34 < jadew> tried to reflow with a toaster oven, that didn't work well
2018-07-12T21:09:08 < jadew> one board didn't reflow and two others have a goldish silk screen now
2018-07-12T21:09:37 < jadew> that's after several sessions of trial and error on old boards
2018-07-12T21:10:20 < jadew> zyp, depends on your line of work
2018-07-12T21:11:45 < srk> jadew: what's the max temperature? how long you let it soak before reaching melting point?
2018-07-12T21:12:24 < jadew> srk, I don't have control over that, all I could do was monitor the temperature and fiddle with the temperature knob on the oven
2018-07-12T21:12:47 < jadew> I made it so it doesn't overshoot much over the temperature where I noticed that it starts reflowing
2018-07-12T21:13:05 < jadew> but that was not very consistent
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2018-07-12T21:13:53 < emeb> aandrew: interesting. does it just partition synthesis or does it isolate changes to PAR too?
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2018-07-12T21:14:23 < emeb> because PAR is what takes most of the time on this design
2018-07-12T21:14:54 < aandrew> it isolates both
2018-07-12T21:15:05 < aandrew> so you don't get *ideal* routing but it sure speeds things up if you follow the rules
2018-07-12T21:15:11 < srk> jadew: we use PT100 + SSR + F4 disco
2018-07-12T21:15:12 < aandrew> and yes PAR is everything
2018-07-12T21:15:15 < srk> works quite well
2018-07-12T21:15:52 < jadew> srk, which oven tho?
2018-07-12T21:16:19 < srk> small 800W from bazaar 
2018-07-12T21:16:32 < jadew> did you make any changs inside?
2018-07-12T21:16:33 < srk> cost us like $20
2018-07-12T21:16:44 < srk> we've removed everything from teh inside
2018-07-12T21:16:49 < srk> and wired heaters to SSR
2018-07-12T21:16:53 < emeb> aandrew: cool. will need to see if vivado can do this. OTOH it may not help much because we're tweaking stuff all over the design during this I&T phase...
2018-07-12T21:17:14 < jadew> srk, I meant thermally - I wonder if there's something wrong with how mine distributes heat
2018-07-12T21:17:14 < srk> (everything electronics/control related)
2018-07-12T21:17:54 < jadew> I guess I'll have to get into that too
2018-07-12T21:18:03 < jadew> hoped I could avoid it and eyeball it
2018-07-12T21:18:06 < srk> this one has two heaters (top/bottom), there's still gradient (closer to the glass door)
2018-07-12T21:18:17 < jadew> this one has 4
2018-07-12T21:18:24 < jadew> two at the bottom, two on top
2018-07-12T21:18:26 < srk> we've pt100 positioned in the middle where PCB is resting
2018-07-12T21:18:27 < jadew> and a fan
2018-07-12T21:18:39 < jadew> you're doing one PCB at a time?
2018-07-12T21:18:50 < srk> yeah, mostly
2018-07-12T21:18:55 < srk> depends
2018-07-12T21:18:57 < jadew> I tried 3 at once, I think that was the mistake
2018-07-12T21:19:17 < srk> if you let them soak long enough it could work
2018-07-12T21:20:07 < srk> but like - I've seen people attaching thermocouples directly to PCBs 
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2018-07-12T21:20:13 < jadew> I'll order one of those sensors
2018-07-12T21:20:32 < jadew> I thought about that too, but not to the PCBV
2018-07-12T21:20:35 < jadew> *PCB
2018-07-12T21:20:46 < srk> my next gen version of this is gonna be multiple PT100s and two triacs or SSRs
2018-07-12T21:20:49 < jadew> I thought about using one of those metal trays
2018-07-12T21:20:52 < jadew> full metal
2018-07-12T21:20:58 < jadew> and only use the bottom elements
2018-07-12T21:21:05 < jadew> it would be like a hot plate
2018-07-12T21:21:14 < srk> the delay between heater start and PT100 registering change is like 30 seconds in our case
2018-07-12T21:21:22 < srk> which makes it hard to PID
2018-07-12T21:21:26 < jadew> interesting
2018-07-12T21:21:43 < srk> looks like PID is the wrong algo for such control
2018-07-12T21:22:39 < srk> I've started playing with deadtime control and other algos but now we just set different PID gains for various phases
2018-07-12T21:22:44 < srk> (CANOpen controlled) :D
2018-07-12T21:25:36 < jadew> are the PT100 from ebay good enough?
2018-07-12T21:25:51 < srk> not sure, got mine for local electro shop
2018-07-12T21:25:56 < srk> for like $2 
2018-07-12T21:25:57 < jadew> the 5 for $3 kind of deals (I'm wondering about the wire quality)
2018-07-12T21:26:08 < srk> get some with cables for sure
2018-07-12T21:27:05 < jadew> ordered
2018-07-12T21:27:43 < jadew> srk, do you PWM the elements or keep them on until you get the temperature you're after?
2018-07-12T21:28:08 < srk> I do POM, proportional on measure
2018-07-12T21:28:15 < srk> as I cannot pwm SSR
2018-07-12T21:28:36 < jadew> I see
2018-07-12T21:29:21 < srk> it's like a percentage of how long it should be on in given time unit (1 sec)
2018-07-12T21:31:38 < srk> think we've figured out how to make the next version of the control board - basically stmstamp backplane with PMOD connectors for sensors
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2018-07-12T21:34:12 < Adluc> srk: migration to PT1000 will be made probably, they are not that critical on cables and dont require third wire
2018-07-12T21:34:50 < srk> the one we use is only 2 wires :)
2018-07-12T21:36:31 < Adluc> on PT100, if such thin cables have a few ohm resistance, it may make difference
2018-07-12T21:36:58 < Adluc> will be tested when it arrives on same hot spot as current probe :D
2018-07-12T21:37:29 < srk> :D
2018-07-12T21:39:43 < Adluc> other than that, they have longer cables
2018-07-12T21:39:54 < Adluc> but with that MAX ic, it doesnt matter
2018-07-12T21:40:03 < Adluc> the readout will be outsourced
2018-07-12T21:43:18 < Adluc> jadew: We also experienced yellowish solder mask when experimenting, not even reaching recommended temp for lead-free solder
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2018-07-12T22:30:13 < jadew> Adluc, found a cure for that?
2018-07-12T22:32:33 < Adluc> jadew: reminded myself, that color change is mostly due to flux
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2018-07-12T22:32:50 < Adluc> additionally applied in case of QFNs
2018-07-12T22:33:01 < jadew> Adluc, ah, in my case it's the silkscreen itself
2018-07-12T22:33:17 < Adluc> from PCBway had no problem with silkscreen
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2018-07-12T22:42:18 < jpa-> hm, i'm banned from the bedroom until the kid falls asleep.. might be a long night on irc :P
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2018-07-12T22:51:05 < Steffanx> Welcome jpa-.
2018-07-12T22:51:16 < Steffanx> Did your kid take your room already?
2018-07-12T22:51:54 < Steffanx> Or a better question: Why are you banned from the bedroom?
2018-07-12T22:51:58 < jpa-> did so years ago already
2018-07-12T22:52:23 < jpa-> i'm too fun company and its impossible to sleep when i'm around
2018-07-12T22:52:31 < Steffanx> HAHA.
2018-07-12T22:52:32 < Steffanx> :D
2018-07-12T22:53:20 < upgrdman> lolwut. mplabx wont allow gcc -O2 ... "Options have been disabled due to restricted license
2018-07-12T22:53:21 < upgrdman> Visit http://www.microchip.com/MPLABXCcompilers to purchase a new key."
2018-07-12T22:53:55 < Steffanx> "Go PRO" :)
2018-07-12T22:54:03 < jpa-> upgrdman: what microchip cpu uses gcc?
2018-07-12T22:54:04 < Steffanx> Microchip has always been like that.
2018-07-12T22:54:15 < upgrdman> jpa-, pic24f with mplabx and xc
2018-07-12T22:54:40 < Steffanx> Makes Steffanx wonder why upgrdman went with pic.
2018-07-12T22:55:15 < upgrdman> i didnt pick the pic
2018-07-12T22:55:41 < upgrdman> im just the rockstar ee pro troll that has to get someone elses design working
2018-07-12T22:56:46 < upgrdman> i also have to use a win7 vm to get some shit CCS programmer to work, since it crashes in win10
2018-07-12T22:56:56 < upgrdman> (yes, i tried compatability and admin settings)
2018-07-12T22:57:02 < Steffanx> I got trolled by a predecessor worker once during my pic experience.
2018-07-12T22:57:10 < upgrdman> my icd4 arrives tomorrow thankfully. hopefully it isnt shit
2018-07-12T22:57:34 < Steffanx> You have these config bits. Which is just somewhere in some header file.
2018-07-12T22:59:21 < upgrdman> hmm. toggleing a gpio gives me only 333kHz. better figure out how to switch from the internal oscillator to the external osc
2018-07-12T22:59:39 < upgrdman> but this is better than before. without -02, i was geting 31kHz
2018-07-12T22:59:45 < Steffanx> This guy copied some pic header with the config bits, but the header had an error in it. Some bit was 1 which should have been 0.
2018-07-12T23:00:00 < Steffanx> To work around that he did !CONFIG_BIT_PLL_WHATEVER.
2018-07-12T23:00:49 < Steffanx> I had to port the code to some compatible PIC, i took the code, changed the header, it all compiled, but it didnt work
2018-07-12T23:00:59 < Steffanx> took me hours to figure out this config bit was wrong -__
2018-07-12T23:02:16 < Steffanx> good luck with pic upgrdman :P
2018-07-12T23:02:25 < upgrdman> thx, i'll need it
2018-07-12T23:03:42 < Steffanx> oh i remember it wrong, it was something like: CONFIG_BLA_PLL_OFF, which happend to turn the PLL on instead of turning it off. ( because it was 1 instead of 0 ).
2018-07-12T23:03:51 < Steffanx> i believe this was pic24 too
2018-07-12T23:09:50 < karlp> zyp: well, until about 3 months ago, work computer _was_ much faster than home computer.
2018-07-12T23:10:50 < karlp> also, I have one friend who says it's actually better for his product that his work laptop is "crap" as it means he more normally experiences the more regular user experience, and makes sure it works well, rather than never seeing how it behaves on a shitty computer
2018-07-12T23:11:13 < zyp> fair enough if you're making stuff to run on a computer
2018-07-12T23:11:13 < Steffanx> but that mainly relevant when you write desktop software.
2018-07-12T23:11:20 < zyp> hmm
2018-07-12T23:11:31 < zyp> I wonder when my home computer from 2012 is gonna start feeling slow
2018-07-12T23:11:39 < zyp> hopefully not soon :p
2018-07-12T23:11:45 < Steffanx> still run the same old hackintosh?
2018-07-12T23:11:46 < jadew> mine is equally old
2018-07-12T23:11:49 < zyp> yeah
2018-07-12T23:11:58 < jadew> don't feel like upgrading it
2018-07-12T23:12:09 < zyp> got a larger SSD for it last year, otherwise I haven't done any upgrades
2018-07-12T23:12:24 < Steffanx> Mine broke during an update, didnt bother fixing it, yet.
2018-07-12T23:13:52 < zyp> so this computer is six years already, that's the longest a computer has lasted as my main computer
2018-07-12T23:14:29 < zyp> previous one lasted for four years, the one before that lasted for five years
2018-07-12T23:15:33 < zyp> my laptop is seven years now, and I can't really justify replacing that either, but that's more because I don't use it often enough to warrant putting money in a new one
2018-07-12T23:15:41 < jadew> similar times here, I think it's because we've reached a point where software can be fully useful without hogging
2018-07-12T23:16:21 < Steffanx> i think cpus didnt get THAT much faster anyway.
2018-07-12T23:16:26 < zyp> or because memory is cheap enough that software bloat is struggling to catch up
2018-07-12T23:16:32 < jadew> Steffanx, that too
2018-07-12T23:16:40 < jadew> zyp, haha
2018-07-12T23:16:42 < Steffanx> memory isnt cheap.
2018-07-12T23:16:51 < jadew> yeah, memory is still not cheap
2018-07-12T23:16:53 < Steffanx> DDR4 isnt.
2018-07-12T23:17:04 < jadew> I built a new PC two days ago
2018-07-12T23:17:08 < jpa-> chrome seems to fill up the gap quite well
2018-07-12T23:17:09 < jadew> and had to settle for 8 Gb of RAM
2018-07-12T23:17:28 < Steffanx> i would never setle for that.
2018-07-12T23:17:36 < zyp> nah, chrome only consumes 9.57 GB here, I have plenty left over
2018-07-12T23:17:44 < Steffanx> Firefox isnt doing bad either with 2.5G. But i just rebooted today.
2018-07-12T23:17:55 < jpa-> oh well, 10 GB is the max RAM i can put in this laptop
2018-07-12T23:17:55 < jadew> Steffanx, I think it's fine for now, it's for my kid
2018-07-12T23:18:09 < jadew> he'll get by with 8 Gb just fine
2018-07-12T23:18:14 < Steffanx> lol i hope so
2018-07-12T23:18:25 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/TW8k6.png
2018-07-12T23:18:38 < Steffanx> Better tell him some "Dad had to do with 480k"-stories jadew
2018-07-12T23:18:55 < zyp> of course fucking skype is eating a gigabyte
2018-07-12T23:19:04 < Steffanx> Hukommelsesbelastning, great word.
2018-07-12T23:19:05 < jadew> Steffanx, I'm sure I will, but he has to understand the concept of memory first
2018-07-12T23:19:06 < zyp> skype is a fucking bloated slow fuck
2018-07-12T23:27:46 < BrainDamage> the weight of an electron
2018-07-12T23:29:34 < Steffanx> How many electrons do you weigh BrainDamage?
2018-07-12T23:32:34 < jadew> weight in kg / 9.10938356e-31
2018-07-12T23:33:47 < BrainDamage> in a computer, electron is measured in GB ram GFLOPs
2018-07-12T23:34:15 < karlp> hrm, 17gig free ram here.
2018-07-12T23:34:35 < karlp> guess I've not got much runnign yet, only restarted after updates for the first time in a couple of weeks yesterday
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2018-07-13T00:03:51 < invzim> jadew: which cpu did you go for?
2018-07-13T00:05:41 < jadew> invzim, i5-7400
2018-07-13T00:06:11 < invzim> that's the previous gen?
2018-07-13T00:06:28 < jadew> not sure, Kaby Lake
2018-07-13T00:07:21 < invzim> ahyes, latest stuff is coffee lake
2018-07-13T00:07:24 < jadew> it's what came after Skylake
2018-07-13T00:07:49 < invzim> seems mostly gamers care
2018-07-13T00:08:06 < jadew> about what?
2018-07-13T00:08:21 < invzim> the latest cpu's
2018-07-13T00:08:43 < invzim> 3 more fps, w00t \o/ etc..
2018-07-13T00:08:46 < jadew> yeah, I just wanted something decent that will last a couple of years
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2018-07-13T00:09:58 < jadew> obviously games will be a big thing on that PC, but probably nothing too fancy
2018-07-13T00:10:40 < jadew> graphic cards seemed more expensive than usual
2018-07-13T00:15:28 < invzim> do the fans on the graphics card go to 0rpm under normal desktop usage?
2018-07-13T00:15:43 < jadew> the one I got is passive
2018-07-13T00:15:49 < invzim> niice
2018-07-13T00:16:10 < jadew> not sure how powerful it is tho
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2018-07-13T00:57:36 < zyp> invzim, did some more looking into fiber cables and multimode vs singlemode
2018-07-13T00:58:47 < zyp> as commonly known, singlemode cables are cheaper but requires more expensive transceivers
2018-07-13T00:59:46 < zyp> since cable price depends on the length of the run, there's a break even point, which seems to be on the order of 100m or so
2018-07-13T01:00:10 < zyp> for longer runs, singlemode is cheaper, for shorter runs, multimode is cheaper
2018-07-13T01:02:36 < Thorn> what about splicing / installing connectors on single vs multi?
2018-07-13T01:02:52 < zyp> no significant difference
2018-07-13T01:02:58 < zyp> in terms of price
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2018-07-13T01:05:42 < zyp> https://www.fs.com/products/35166.html <- I'm planning to try these, looks like least tool-demanding way of terminating the ends
2018-07-13T01:06:02 < zyp> https://www.fs.com/products/35165.html <- singlemode alternative costs about the same
2018-07-13T01:09:37 < invzim> hm, IF I were to do fiber, I would go single
2018-07-13T01:09:51 < invzim> but ahve you considered just running 10g over cat6(a)?
2018-07-13T01:10:22 < zyp> not since I bought the fiber NICs/switch
2018-07-13T01:11:09 < zyp> but last I checked, copper 10g stuff was still a lot more expensive
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2018-07-13T01:13:24 < invzim> 23:59 < zyp> since cable price depends on the length of the run, there's a break even point, which seems to be on the order of 100m or so
2018-07-13T01:13:27 < invzim> didn't quite get this
2018-07-13T01:14:23 < invzim> the price is pr m, and the cable guys don't care if it's mm or sm
2018-07-13T01:14:53 < zyp> mm cable costs more per meter
2018-07-13T01:15:23 < zyp> which I guess makes sense, it contains more glass
2018-07-13T01:15:31 < invzim> it's plastic
2018-07-13T01:15:45 < invzim> dirty plastic
2018-07-13T01:16:07 < invzim> I think :)
2018-07-13T01:17:11 < zyp> no, it's glass
2018-07-13T01:17:27 < zyp> unless you're talking about toslink cables :)
2018-07-13T01:21:24 < invzim> how long are your runs, approx?
2018-07-13T01:22:46 < zyp> dunno yet, depends where everything will be placed
2018-07-13T01:23:12 < zyp> possibly less than 10m in the walls
2018-07-13T01:24:06 < zyp> I imagine one floor down and a couple of rooms in one direction or another
2018-07-13T01:24:07 < invzim> just buy pre-terminated single fibers?
2018-07-13T01:24:13 < invzim> lc both ends
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2018-07-13T01:24:47 < zyp> connectors are too big to run through normal conduit
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2018-07-13T01:26:34 < invzim> Have a look at single LC
2018-07-13T01:26:43 < invzim> should be about the same size as cat6
2018-07-13T01:27:06 < karlp> that's we use here, with bidir sfps
2018-07-13T01:27:16 < karlp> can't imagine going back to dual fibre anymore.
2018-07-13T01:27:22 < invzim> http://www.wire-cable-solution.com/Single-Mode-Simplex-LC-connectors-on-2mm-jacketed-fiber-662.html
2018-07-13T01:27:27 < invzim> it's tiny
2018-07-13T01:29:11 < zyp> I'd rather not pay extra for bidir 10g sfps
2018-07-13T01:30:03 < invzim> then run two cables :)
2018-07-13T01:31:11 < karlp> are bidir meaninglfy more expensive sfps?
2018-07-13T01:31:21 < karlp> (i hadn't looked at 10g, but 1g they didnt' seem to be )
2018-07-13T01:31:54 < zyp> fs.com have them at 397 nok vs 130 for a standard -SR sfp+
2018-07-13T01:32:32 < invzim> you are building a HOUSE, right? :)
2018-07-13T01:32:59 < zyp> besides the point, it's not like the bank is gonna cover it
2018-07-13T01:33:53 < karlp> huh, yeah, for 1gig, it's ~same price
2018-07-13T01:34:25 < zyp> anyway, I figure the price premium for a pair of bidi transceivers is over twice what a whole cable run and a set of field assembly connectors are gonna cost
2018-07-13T01:34:50 < zyp> and all the talk about doing anything other than -SR disregards the fact that I already have -SR transceivers :p
2018-07-13T01:35:24 < invzim> feature creep!  You never told us :)
2018-07-13T01:35:42 < zyp> admittedly, I do have a couple of -LR XFPs also
2018-07-13T01:35:58 < zyp> but my switch is SFP+ :p
2018-07-13T01:37:00 < zyp> and we probably shouldn't talk about bidi XFPs, fs.com wants 1300 nok for them
2018-07-13T01:37:21 < zyp> probably cheaper to replace the XFP NICs with SPF+ NICs at that point
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2018-07-13T01:42:09 < karlp> i asked them about bidir 100M sfps, they refered mne to the engineering support, who followed up, and then promptly stopped replying
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2018-07-13T01:56:54 < stvn> SIX COAR APPLE
2018-07-13T01:57:14 < stvn> but an apple only has one core
2018-07-13T02:04:57 < invzim> "Maxed out with a 2.6GHz six-core processor, 32GB of RAM, and a 4TB SSD, the 15-inch MacBook Pro retails for $6699."
2018-07-13T02:05:07 < invzim> I wonder if it can do single mode Ø=
2018-07-13T02:05:09 < invzim> :)
2018-07-13T02:06:03 < stvn> mate it can do anything
2018-07-13T02:06:09 < stvn> twitter, facebook, instragram
2018-07-13T02:06:16 < stvn> all the latest websites!
2018-07-13T02:07:49 < stvn> and when the keyboard breaks and the BGA devices fall off the board you can send it into louis rossman to make a youtube video about it!
2018-07-13T02:08:42 < invzim> sounds like an all-around win to me :)
2018-07-13T02:09:37 < stvn> everyone wins!
2018-07-13T02:18:11 < sync> wat
2018-07-13T02:18:16 < sync> 6 core and only 32G of ram?
2018-07-13T02:18:32 < stvn> that's $2000 in mac money for 32g mate
2018-07-13T02:18:35 < stvn> prolly
2018-07-13T02:19:06 < sync> zyp: run larger than normal conduit
2018-07-13T02:19:17 < sync> I ran some 75mm pipes at a location and it is 10/10
2018-07-13T03:14:15 < dongs> aandrew: thats the one that didnt get updated
2018-07-13T03:15:10 < aandrew> yeah the 15" doesn't impress me and no touchbar
2018-07-13T03:15:13 < aandrew> so no new mac for me
2018-07-13T03:15:37 < dongs> my point was kinda that the models are ridiculously overpriced for the shitty specs
2018-07-13T03:15:50 < dongs> and no ESC key
2018-07-13T03:15:53 < dongs> so you can't lunix with it
2018-07-13T03:15:57 < aandrew> yep
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2018-07-13T03:41:58 < stvn> fucking mac
2018-07-13T03:43:59 < dongs> news for gays
2018-07-13T03:48:27 < stvn> yes indeed
2018-07-13T03:48:56 < stvn> that 'business' partner told me his mac had died so he needed my skylake machine for a few more days.......
2018-07-13T04:09:02 < dongs> you should send him to the oven
2018-07-13T04:10:15 < stvn> if I could get away with it i'd have done it years ago
2018-07-13T04:19:25 < stvn> I could swear my mouser and digikey orders were here in 2 days
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2018-07-13T04:37:48 < stvn> lil blaxter kawaii 
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2018-07-13T06:14:43 < stvn> It's very quiet here without the stroopwafel man
2018-07-13T06:15:18 < stvn> I'm playing altium today
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2018-07-13T08:20:55 < englishman> where the cat pics at
2018-07-13T08:26:47 < srk> http://48.io/~rmarko/IMG_0666.JPG
2018-07-13T08:29:01 < stvn> ty
2018-07-13T08:29:21 < englishman> excellent pic
2018-07-13T08:29:44 < srk> ty <3
2018-07-13T08:31:30 < stvn> billy is still waiting
2018-07-13T08:31:32 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZXdZHrNY/billy.JPG
2018-07-13T08:33:34 < srk> what for? :D
2018-07-13T08:34:47 < stvn> for the visitors
2018-07-13T08:35:42 < stvn> he will tell your fortune
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2018-07-13T08:40:42 < srk> :D
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2018-07-13T09:36:58 < stvn> ich bin der musikant mit taschenrechner in der hande 
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2018-07-13T10:00:52 < stvn> steffan get out of bed you fucking prick
2018-07-13T10:02:22 < Steffanx> Already at work mate.
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2018-07-13T10:06:33 < stvn> didn't even throw a bucket of severed dicks at me like you do most other mornings 
2018-07-13T10:16:58 < stvn> welcome;
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2018-07-13T10:54:51 < stvn> are you back for more R2?
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2018-07-13T13:03:38 < jadew> anyone else had issues with cleaning flux with a ultrasonic cleaner, and then solved them?
2018-07-13T13:04:05 < jadew> I keept my boards in for ~4 minutes and they're like before
2018-07-13T13:05:57 < Haohmaru> i don't have ultrasonic sh*t, but with alcohol, i've found that if you get the nasty dry flux soaked in alcohol (and also rub it with a brush) then it's gonna be left there all sticky
2018-07-13T13:06:31 < Haohmaru> but if you try to get it onto a towel before it goes dry.. it sorta works better
2018-07-13T13:06:49 < jadew> well, I can probably clean it with IPA, but I don't want to do it by hand
2018-07-13T13:06:55 < Haohmaru> i wonder if you could just wash the alcohol+flux away with lots of water instead of the towel
2018-07-13T13:06:57 < jadew> and I want something that gets under ICs too
2018-07-13T13:07:08 < Haohmaru> ah, then no idea
2018-07-13T13:07:25 < Haohmaru> this alcohol thing certainly leaves "sh*t" under the ICs intact
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2018-07-13T13:08:59 < Haohmaru> i tried paper instead of a towel (like, toilet paper) but it was a big mistake
2018-07-13T13:09:50 < Haohmaru> the paper gets torn apart onto the PCB and then it gets stuck
2018-07-13T13:10:52 < Haohmaru> when i say "towel" i guess i mean some fabric that doesn't leave little thingies like fluffs or artifacts.. however they're called
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2018-07-13T13:11:19 < Haohmaru> oh sh*t, i thought this is #kicad
2018-07-13T13:12:06 < jadew> Haohmaru, yeah, I'm familiar with the toilet paper issue
2018-07-13T13:12:32 < jadew> after ultrasonic cleaning, I dry it with the heat air gun
2018-07-13T13:13:11 < jadew> set at 150 celsius and full power seems to get rid of the water fairly fast
2018-07-13T13:13:22 < jadew> anyway, going to add more flux cleaner to the solution and try again
2018-07-13T13:13:27 < Haohmaru> i'm no expect, but i've heard that distilled water can be used on electronics
2018-07-13T13:13:37 < jadew> I think the heater in my ultrasonic cleaner isn't working either
2018-07-13T13:13:45 < jadew> that's what I'm using
2018-07-13T13:14:02 < jadew> combined with flux cleaner (specifically made for ultrasonic baths)
2018-07-13T13:14:09 < Haohmaru> if that's true, then i think washing the alco+flux with water might be worth a try
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2018-07-13T13:33:55 < Haohmaru> or.. soak in alcohol and then centrofugg that sh*t \o/
2018-07-13T13:34:32 < Haohmaru> that's gonna cause some mechanical stress tho
2018-07-13T13:35:17 < jadew> I'm kinda bummed about this
2018-07-13T13:35:56 < jadew> it's probably the flux in the solder wire
2018-07-13T13:36:05 < jadew> (that's the one that seems to cause issues)
2018-07-13T13:36:23 < jadew> I don't see any residue around the solder paste pads
2018-07-13T13:36:40 < sync> I just ipa + water in the ultrasonic
2018-07-13T13:36:43 < sync> works very well
2018-07-13T13:36:58 < jadew> ah, there is residue, I just didn't look close enough
2018-07-13T13:37:16 < jadew> sync, what proportions?
2018-07-13T13:38:57 < sync> however I'm feeling, but mostly 20-30% ipa
2018-07-13T13:39:18 < jadew> thanks, I'll have to give that a try
2018-07-13T13:39:39 < jadew> do you place the boards face down or vertically?
2018-07-13T13:40:10 < sync> all the ways until they are squeaky clean
2018-07-13T13:40:46 < jadew> hmm
2018-07-13T13:40:59 < jadew> how long does the whole process take? maybe I have unreasonable expectations?
2018-07-13T13:42:36 < jadew> more than 5 minutes?
2018-07-13T13:45:37 < sync> sometimes
2018-07-13T13:51:02 < jadew> thanks, I'll give it another go
2018-07-13T13:51:30 < jadew> I'm gonna also try covering it with a box to limit the noise it makes
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2018-07-13T14:58:05 < invzim> sync: how often do you change the liquid in the cleaner?
2018-07-13T14:58:22 < invzim> haven't got an ultrasonic myself, but guess one is inevitable at some point
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2018-07-13T15:10:31 < zyp> sync, I've thought about running larger conduit, but I don't think it would be worth it
2018-07-13T15:11:06 < sync> invzim: quite often because I use the US for a lot of stuff
2018-07-13T15:11:27 < sync> zyp: running random shit through conduit is 10/10
2018-07-13T15:11:37 < sync> and if you are building it is the only chance to do it properly
2018-07-13T15:11:56 < zyp> sure
2018-07-13T15:13:02 < zyp> but I'm more concerned about getting enough points
2018-07-13T15:13:03 < invzim> when I redid my apartment, I had a conduit installed  large enough to fit a HDMI cable WITH connector for a projector in my living-room :)
2018-07-13T15:14:49 < invzim> I got 2xcat6 in most rooms, regret not having it installed in the kitchen
2018-07-13T15:15:46 < invzim> it's hard to get it right when planning
2018-07-13T15:16:24 < zyp> I'm planning to have at least one point in every room
2018-07-13T15:17:30 < zyp> not sure if that should include bathrooms :p
2018-07-13T15:18:00 < zyp> but I figure it's better to have it and not need it, than needing it and not having
2018-07-13T15:18:33 < invzim> wifu loves her music in there, so if I'm doing it again I would plan for some music setup wired or wireless
2018-07-13T15:19:59 < invzim> it's a damn stressful process, and contractors are often pretty useless when it comes to help with planning
2018-07-13T15:20:03 < zyp> I'm probably going to overengineer everything and end up with a ton of points that won't be used :)
2018-07-13T15:20:30 < invzim> I did - make usre your outlets look good.  The one my contractors used looks shit and I had to replace them
2018-07-13T15:21:12 < zyp> I'll do all the network wiring myself
2018-07-13T15:21:53 < zyp> not sure if I'll run the conduit myself too, might be more convenient to let the electrician do that while running the electrical stuff
2018-07-13T15:22:13 < invzim> the latter, for sure
2018-07-13T15:22:37 < zyp> depends how good they are at doing it like I want it
2018-07-13T15:23:21 < zyp> I've worked as an electrician, I'm not afraid of running conduit myself
2018-07-13T15:23:23 < invzim> not sure how hands-on you will be, but coordinating between electricians, carpenters, painters, plumbers etc is a nightmare
2018-07-13T15:23:42 < zyp> yeah
2018-07-13T15:24:37 < sync> it always is
2018-07-13T15:26:32 < zyp> I wonder how happy people are going to be when I go "hey, I got this rack cabinet, I want it embedded in that wall and a bunch of conduit routed to it"
2018-07-13T15:26:58 < zyp> I already got the rack: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/NsS0l.jpg
2018-07-13T15:27:52 < zyp> https://www.atlasied.com/awr3w
2018-07-13T15:28:32 < zyp> seemed a pretty convenient way of mounting a proper switch and stuff without taking a lot of space
2018-07-13T15:30:08 < invzim> neato - going to have a different space for server/nas and stuff like that?
2018-07-13T15:30:17 < zyp> yes
2018-07-13T15:30:45 < zyp> I figure maybe a half-height or smaller rack on wheels in a storage room or something
2018-07-13T15:31:53 < invzim> I did 4xcat6 at my desk and where the TV is - mistake
2018-07-13T15:32:06 < invzim> as you're going to need more connectivity and add a small switch regardless
2018-07-13T15:33:20 < zyp> I'm considering placing the switch rack next to where I'm planning to have my desk
2018-07-13T15:33:47 < zyp> so I might place a patch panel with outlets in the top part of it
2018-07-13T15:34:02 < invzim> why not have it the same place your breakers are?
2018-07-13T15:34:23 < invzim> will make the routing easier as you'll have conduits for electricity going there regardless
2018-07-13T15:34:45 < zyp> not sure there's enough space in that wall
2018-07-13T15:35:26 < zyp> and easy access to extra ports next to my desk seems convenient
2018-07-13T15:37:14 < invzim> You'll likely never touch it once have you it connected to a switch - see point about aux switch above :)
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2018-07-13T15:38:36 < zyp> I don't need another switch on my desk if I already have one in the wall right next to my desk :p
2018-07-13T15:40:07 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imp0BqHBxyQ 2006 drum and bass
2018-07-13T15:44:46 < invzim> gurus... uint32_t *serialFlash=(uint8_t *) SERIAL_NUMBER_LOCATION; works, pointing to a 32bit value in flash but gives warning about incompatible pointer type
2018-07-13T15:45:01 < invzim> uint32_t *serialFlash=(uint32_t *) SERIAL_NUMBER_LOCATION; does not work, but no warning
2018-07-13T15:52:43 < bitmask> GOOD MORNING EVERYONE
2018-07-13T15:53:39 < Haohmaru> HAI
2018-07-13T15:53:44 < bitmask> :)
2018-07-13T15:53:49 < Haohmaru> WHY ARE WE SHOUTING?!
2018-07-13T15:54:36 < bitmask> TO SPREAD THE LOVE, i dunno :/
2018-07-13T15:54:57 < Haohmaru> u can't overcome the hate in here
2018-07-13T15:55:07 < Haohmaru> spare your efforts
2018-07-13T15:55:31 < bitmask> unfortunately you are correct
2018-07-13T15:55:44 < bitmask> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2194278
2018-07-13T15:55:47 < bitmask> this thing is cool
2018-07-13T15:55:53 < bitmask> simple but effective
2018-07-13T15:56:01 < bitmask> making a phone/runcam2 mount for my pen plotter
2018-07-13T15:56:15 < bitmask> I need better videos
2018-07-13T15:57:08 < Haohmaru> someone likes to mount a smart(a$$)phone in all kinds of dumb ways
2018-07-13T15:57:21  * Haohmaru is in "hate" mode
2018-07-13T15:57:31 < bitmask> fuck you too then
2018-07-13T15:57:34 < Haohmaru> hahaha
2018-07-13T15:58:05 < bitmask> do you have a better way or are you just trollin
2018-07-13T15:58:27 < Haohmaru> no, i just generally find smartphones dumb
2018-07-13T15:58:35 < bitmask> interesting
2018-07-13T15:59:00 < Haohmaru> is it?
2018-07-13T15:59:03 < bitmask> a mcu developer that finds tiny computers dumb
2018-07-13T15:59:51 < Haohmaru> the lack of buttons, the presence of a rubrub screen, and of course, all the spyware and crap in the OS..
2018-07-13T16:00:17 < Haohmaru> if a phone had buttons and debian, maybe i'd get one
2018-07-13T16:00:25 < Haohmaru> some day
2018-07-13T16:00:30 < bitmask> what ever happened to ubuntu for phones
2018-07-13T16:00:46 < bitmask> I think it was running on a pixel
2018-07-13T16:00:48 < Haohmaru> they couldn't implement gud enough spyware in it?
2018-07-13T16:01:31 < Haohmaru> or the spyware from their PC OS couldn't be ported to the phone ;P~
2018-07-13T16:02:07 < bitmask> do you think the government is out to get you? do you hear voices in your head?
2018-07-13T16:02:23 < bitmask> are the aliens probing uranus
2018-07-13T16:02:44 < Haohmaru> no, yes, i don't think so
2018-07-13T16:02:54 < bitmask> what do the voices tell you to do
2018-07-13T16:03:00 < bitmask> or do they just chat with you
2018-07-13T16:03:15 < Haohmaru> that's a f*cking personal thing
2018-07-13T16:03:22 < bitmask> you are right, I'm sorry 
2018-07-13T16:03:26 < Haohmaru> ask the voices in YOUR head
2018-07-13T16:03:35 < bitmask> are our voices friends?
2018-07-13T16:03:44 < Haohmaru> who knows
2018-07-13T16:03:49 < bitmask> I'll ask
2018-07-13T16:04:06 < Haohmaru> we've gotten very offtopic here
2018-07-13T16:04:11 < bitmask> just a bit
2018-07-13T16:05:00 < jadew> 4 minutes at 70 celsius seems to yield much better results
2018-07-13T16:05:25 < Haohmaru> ah, so the ultrasonic thing also heats the liquid?
2018-07-13T16:05:33 < bitmask> what are you doing
2018-07-13T16:05:43 < Haohmaru> boiling a PCB soup
2018-07-13T16:05:46 < jadew> Haohmaru, yeah
2018-07-13T16:05:55 < jadew> bitmask, cleaning flux from a PCB
2018-07-13T16:05:56 < Haohmaru> with ultrasonic spices
2018-07-13T16:06:01 < bitmask> ahh
2018-07-13T16:06:15 < bitmask> man, I need more filament already
2018-07-13T16:06:17 < Haohmaru> he's one of those modern chefs
2018-07-13T16:06:20 < bitmask> this stuff goes too quick
2018-07-13T16:06:51 < Haohmaru> 70°C smells quite hot
2018-07-13T16:14:13 < jadew> at least the solder balls are gone
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2018-07-13T17:00:48 < upgrdman> sold out, but finally a 4k144 lcd for sale! $2000 is a bit much tho :/
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2018-07-13T17:00:55 < upgrdman> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824011229
2018-07-13T17:00:58 < upgrdman> also ugly
2018-07-13T17:03:18 < aandrew> word 'em up
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2018-07-13T17:03:43 < aandrew> $2k for a 4k monitor? are you fucking nuts
2018-07-13T17:03:54 < BrainDamage> it's the 144Hz refresh rate
2018-07-13T17:03:54 < upgrdman> i didnt say i was buying one
2018-07-13T17:04:05 < BrainDamage> I hate the gaymer culture
2018-07-13T17:04:11 < aandrew> yeah name one legitimate reason for needing 144hz update, and no gaming isn't one of them
2018-07-13T17:04:15 < upgrdman> if nothing else, its too ugly. waiting for one that doesnt scream im-a-gamer-faggot
2018-07-13T17:04:39 < upgrdman> aandrew, honestly, i want 120 or 144 just for nicer scrolling. no joke.
2018-07-13T17:04:50 < aandrew> man I get murderous tendencies with some fuckwit points to something on my monitor and touches it. I'd probably gut someone on the spot like a fish if they touched a $2k monitor
2018-07-13T17:05:14 < BrainDamage> I have the same
2018-07-13T17:05:35 < upgrdman> and with my gtx1080, its not like i could game at 4k144. i cant even game at 4k60 with modern games lol
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2018-07-13T17:06:15 < upgrdman> q3a at 4k144 would be fun i guess, lol
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2018-07-13T17:16:24 < sync> upgrdman: I'm waiting for 4k144 as well
2018-07-13T17:16:34 < upgrdman> :)
2018-07-13T17:16:45 < sync> I had a 4k30 screen at work
2018-07-13T17:16:49 < sync> AGGGHHHHHHH
2018-07-13T17:16:50 < sync> the pain
2018-07-13T17:16:56 < upgrdman> 0_0
2018-07-13T17:17:03 < sync> when your cursor is lagging over the screen
2018-07-13T17:17:21 < kakimir> ask for fullhd display
2018-07-13T17:17:26 < kakimir> 60hz
2018-07-13T17:17:29 < sync> neg
2018-07-13T17:17:35 < sync> it is 2018
2018-07-13T17:18:16 < Sadale> any good solution for converting 2 AA battries to stable 3V3 output? peak current's like 100~150mA that lasts for a split second. Average current is like 25mA
2018-07-13T17:18:49 < sync> upgrdman: more like x_X
2018-07-13T17:18:50 < Sadale> It can be 4 battries instead of 2. I'm still in prototype stage. It's for a hobby project :3
2018-07-13T17:19:17 < upgrdman> Sadale, 3 or 4 AAs + 1117. done
2018-07-13T17:19:29 < Sadale> I'm also thinking about that. :-)
2018-07-13T17:19:44 < Sadale> What to do if I go for 2-battries solution. I'm just evaluating options :)
2018-07-13T17:19:57 < upgrdman> if it must be 2 AA's, youd need a buck/boost or similar, which is more complicated
2018-07-13T17:19:58 < Sadale> anyway, thanks upgrdman :)
2018-07-13T17:20:29 < upgrdman> or just a boost converter, if you can tolerate >3V3 with new batteries
2018-07-13T17:20:49 < Sadale> I see. :-)
2018-07-13T17:21:25 < sync> jadew: I run my shit at 80°C
2018-07-13T17:21:44 < jadew> sync, good to know, thanks
2018-07-13T17:21:49 < jadew> I'll do that too in the future
2018-07-13T17:22:06 < sync> you just have to keep a lid on the pot
2018-07-13T17:22:12 < jadew> I do
2018-07-13T17:22:17 < sync> otherwise the ipa evaps too fast
2018-07-13T17:23:22 < aandrew> Sadale: I always use buck-boost for those applications so I can run the batteries right dead
2018-07-13T17:23:37 < Sadale> aandrew, hmm. interesting.
2018-07-13T17:23:49 < Sadale> aandrew, any recomendation of buck/boost chip?
2018-07-13T17:24:00 < aandrew> I do that with lipo as well, because I want the option to run the lipo down to 3 or even 2.75V
2018-07-13T17:24:05 < aandrew> depends on current requirements
2018-07-13T17:24:11 < aandrew> one moment I'll tell you what I used 
2018-07-13T17:25:00 < aandrew> I used TPS63020 with XFL4020-152 inductor
2018-07-13T17:25:06 < aandrew> IIRC that was 4A rated
2018-07-13T17:25:10 < aandrew> overkill for you I know
2018-07-13T17:25:12 < Sadale> wow. That's large current :)
2018-07-13T17:25:29  * Sadale checks the price of the chip
2018-07-13T17:25:35 < aandrew> but if you look at TPS63020 page you can prob find smaller/cheaper parts that are similar
2018-07-13T17:26:39 < Sadale> thanks aandrew :3
2018-07-13T17:26:59 < Sadale> ... that chip's expensive. Even more expensive than the microcontroller I'm using.
2018-07-13T17:27:06 < Sadale> anyway, I'll look into those similar chips.
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2018-07-13T17:27:36 < Sadale> I've noticed something interesting about efficiency of AMS1117. It's "Vout/Vin" :o
2018-07-13T17:28:00 < Sadale> hey. That'd mean that if I'm converting 10V to 5V the efficiency would only be 50%. WTF?
2018-07-13T17:28:26 < Adluc> Sadale: welcome to Eletronics 101
2018-07-13T17:28:48 < Adluc> linear regulators are self-regulating resistors
2018-07-13T17:28:48 < Sadale> I guess that's because it's a linear regulator.
2018-07-13T17:28:50 < BrainDamage> that's an inherent property of any linear regulator
2018-07-13T17:28:58 < Sadale> I guess the switching one is more efficient.
2018-07-13T17:29:01 < Sadale> I see.
2018-07-13T17:29:11 < BrainDamage> switching, it depends
2018-07-13T17:29:18 < BrainDamage> there's cases where a LDO is more efficient
2018-07-13T17:29:42 < Sadale> interesting. like what cases?
2018-07-13T17:30:18 < BrainDamage> when the dropout is low, you can have more efficient LDO than switchers
2018-07-13T17:30:59 < Sadale> I see :)
2018-07-13T17:31:57 < Sadale> For linear regulator, 1117 is the chip-to-go. Is there any popular chip for switching voltage regulation?
2018-07-13T17:32:42 < invzim> he, so the unique-ID on stm's are indeed unique but not very random at all
2018-07-13T17:33:18 < invzim> stuff encoded in ascii like lot number, wafer and stuff
2018-07-13T17:34:58 < BrainDamage> hash it, if you want it random-looking
2018-07-13T17:35:16 < invzim> yup, luckily I already did
2018-07-13T17:36:01 < Sadale> which hash function do you use?
2018-07-13T17:36:13 < invzim> sha256
2018-07-13T17:36:24 < Sadale> I'm thinking if hashing could make it vulnerable to hash-collision.
2018-07-13T17:36:26 < Sadale> I see.
2018-07-13T17:36:50 < BrainDamage> any finite length container has issues with the birthday problem
2018-07-13T17:37:08 < aandrew> I tend to use high PSRR LDOs for analog circuits
2018-07-13T17:37:11 < BrainDamage> but the chances for a decent hash, aren't considerably worse
2018-07-13T17:37:27 < aandrew> and I'll use a switcher to regulate to a voltage only a volt or so above the LDO's output 
2018-07-13T17:37:30 < invzim> It's not like I'm doing anything that requires REAL security so no biggie, but st should have a caveat when they advice to use it for crypto
2018-07-13T17:37:33 < BrainDamage> I've chained a few high PSRR LDOs as switch 2nd stge
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2018-07-13T17:37:41 < aandrew> e.g. I'll create a 6V rail to power multiple quiet 5V analog rails
2018-07-13T17:37:54 < BrainDamage> it's cheaper than giant sized magnetics
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2018-07-13T18:19:36 < jadew> time well spent
2018-07-13T18:19:57 < jadew> ~ 3 hours figuring out why my circuit's performance got degraded
2018-07-13T18:20:21 < Sadale> why?
2018-07-13T18:20:22 < jadew> was it the ultrasonic cleaner? was it something else? some component got damaged? swap, test, repeat
2018-07-13T18:20:31 < jadew> not enough fucking solder paste
2018-07-13T18:22:18 < jadew> some components were not making contact properly and I think the ultrasonic clean made it worse, exposing the issue
2018-07-13T18:22:25 < jadew> which is ultimately good
2018-07-13T18:22:31 < jadew> so +1 for ultrasonic cleaning
2018-07-13T18:23:49 < Sadale> awwwww
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2018-07-13T18:38:56 < karlp> invzim: show me where st says to use the uniqeied directly for crypto.
2018-07-13T18:39:16 < karlp> (and i'll show you the datasheet that shows it being wafer lots and x/y positions)
2018-07-13T18:41:00 < karlp> Sadale: for 2xAAs, I like MCP1640 for buck/boost.  (much less current that aandrew's big bois)
2018-07-13T18:41:44 < aandrew> am I being stupid here? I'm trying to calculate the "diameter" of an FFC pin
2018-07-13T18:41:54 < Sadale> thanks karlp 
2018-07-13T18:41:59  * Sadale checks for the cost
2018-07-13T18:42:28 < dongs>  uh, 1640 is a boost only?
2018-07-13T18:42:41 < aandrew> if the cross-sectional area of the pin is 0.07mm^2 and the thickness is 0.1mm, is this not just .07/.1?
2018-07-13T18:43:03 < aandrew> so the width is 0.7mm and thickness 0.1mm?
2018-07-13T18:43:40 < aandrew> that reminds me, I have to buy some branson ultrasonic fluid
2018-07-13T18:45:15 < Sadale> karlp, according to your own experience, what's its grand efficiency after taking all those components (like caps and inductors and resistors) connected to it?
2018-07-13T18:47:44 < karlp> dongs: hrm, oh right, but for 2xaas, it's always boost to 3v3.
2018-07-13T18:48:09 < karlp> Sadale: "enough"
2018-07-13T18:48:20 < dongs> ah i guess.
2018-07-13T18:48:33 < Sadale> ah ok. Thanks. I guess I have to measure that or calculate that on my own. :3
2018-07-13T18:48:39 < Sadale> I'll look into this chip. Thanks a lot.
2018-07-13T18:48:47 < karlp> yes, given that it will depend on what _you_ end up doing with it.
2018-07-13T18:50:08 < Sadale> agreed. That also depends on the current consumption of my device. The efficiency isn't a constant value when the current usage changes.
2018-07-13T18:51:02 < karlp> no, you should perhaps read the datasheet, rather than asking for a single random number from a random person on the internet.
2018-07-13T18:51:22 < Sadale> right.
2018-07-13T18:51:52 < Sadale> The thing is that I can't tell if I'm getting the real chip or its clone. I'm going to buy them from taobao (Chinese local version of aliexpress).
2018-07-13T18:52:13 < Sadale> Chinese chips are known to be ... cheap. It could very well be a fake, uh, I meant cloned one. :P
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2018-07-13T18:59:50 < karlp> you either a) care, or b) don't.
2018-07-13T18:59:59 < karlp> you already know the steps to take for both of them.
2018-07-13T19:00:07 < Ecco> Are there chinese clones of STM32's?
2018-07-13T19:00:22 < karlp> "what's a good chip to use?" "xxx" "but xxx might be fake if I buy it from somewhere unreputable"
2018-07-13T19:04:29 < Sadale> right. :)
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2018-07-13T19:04:55 < Sadale> Well, what I was really looking for was the name of a chip so that I know which chip to get. :P
2018-07-13T19:05:08 < Sadale> Thanks karlp. Your answer helped a lot :3
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2018-07-13T19:06:28 < karlp> I'm pretty sure there'd be a chinese version that's likely actually even better, and cheaper.
2018-07-13T19:07:52 < Sadale> right. Anyway, they're still rather expensive.
2018-07-13T19:08:29 < Sadale> It costs like $0.3. As a comparison, the microcontroller I use costs like $0.5.
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2018-07-13T19:52:26 < invzim> karlp: "The unique device identifier is ideally suited for use as security keys in order to increase the security of code in Flash memory while using and combining this unique ID with software cryptographic primitives and protocols before programming the internal Flash memory"
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2018-07-13T19:52:53 < invzim> https://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/5d/b1/ef/b2/a1/66/40/80/DM00096844.pdf/files/DM00096844.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00096844.pdf
2018-07-13T19:53:08 < invzim> page 831
2018-07-13T19:56:52 < Steffanx> How suited is this?
2018-07-13T19:57:22 < Steffanx> How sure can you be that when you buy a batch it doesnt come from the same line etc?
2018-07-13T19:57:54 < Steffanx> Same wafer or whatever
2018-07-13T19:58:22 < invzim> it probably does, I read out two chips and they were so similar I started to look for a bug before I dug a little deeper on what the number actually is :)
2018-07-13T19:59:49 < zyp> I think the point is that when you encrypt the firmware build, you can mix the unique id into the key to tie an encrypted binary to a specific device
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2018-07-13T20:22:48 < karlp> invzim: fair enough, I'd enver seen them sa "as security keys" directly, only the "combined with crypto primitives" portions
2018-07-13T20:26:10 < karlp> f7 and h7 "value lines" ?
2018-07-13T20:26:55 < karlp> heh, f7 with 64k flash, still has 256k ram, plus ccm
2018-07-13T20:28:02 < zyp> doesn't sound unreasonable
2018-07-13T20:28:30 < zyp> plenty of projects that has fairly small code but big buffers
2018-07-13T20:28:55 < vampi-the-frog> great on-topicking, 5/5
2018-07-13T20:42:43 < karlp> yeah, wonder it ends up costing
2018-07-13T20:45:17 < Steffanx> Expected something to see about that too, especially since they are "active" 
2018-07-13T20:46:13 < Steffanx> and then i dont mean the prices ST lists
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2018-07-13T20:56:18 < Steffanx> hmm, STM aqcuired TouchGFX? Wonder what will happen with the lib. It always look pretty cool ( and c++ much )
2018-07-13T20:58:34 < sync> karlp: it is annoying that lqfp100 H7 are not really on the market just yet
2018-07-13T20:58:47 < sync> I can buy a tray of 90, but ehh
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2018-07-13T22:16:59 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/bhqEVPB.png
2018-07-13T22:17:09 < bitmask> phone/runcam2 mount almost done 
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2018-07-13T22:24:12 < jpa-> bitmask: are you printing stuff 24/7? :D
2018-07-13T22:24:24 < bitmask> haha basically
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2018-07-13T23:49:12 < stvn> ty upgrdman 
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2018-07-13T23:49:29 < stvn> i would like 4k144
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2018-07-13T23:52:09 < upgrdman> mhmm
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2018-07-13T23:54:15 < BrainDamage> only if it comes with gamer AESTHETICS
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2018-07-13T23:57:50 < karlp> do even gamers like gamera aesthetics?
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2018-07-14T00:01:23 < stvn> wut is gamer
2018-07-14T00:01:40 < vampi-the-frog> gay mermaids
2018-07-14T00:01:47 < stvn> cool
2018-07-14T00:02:33 < stvn> i wanted to plug my NES into it
2018-07-14T00:02:40 < vampi-the-frog> but by "gay" I mean STM32 and by "mermaids" I mean "STM32"
2018-07-14T00:02:54 < stvn> same
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2018-07-14T00:06:18 < vampi-the-frog> speaking of 32-bit ARM devices
2018-07-14T00:06:42 < vampi-the-frog> I got one of these today https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-g-play-gen-6
2018-07-14T00:06:48 < vampi-the-frog> it runs ON TOPIC OPERATING SYSTEM
2018-07-14T00:07:12 < vampi-the-frog> it is full of STM32 MICROCONTROLLER DOCUMENTATION
2018-07-14T00:08:25 < vampi-the-frog> it has a large touch lcd DISPLAYING STM32 DEVELOPMENT TUTORIALS
2018-07-14T00:08:53 < vampi-the-frog> it has microUSB JUST LIKE SOME STM32 DEVELOPMENT BOARDS
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2018-07-14T00:09:58 < BrainDamage> do you have a point, or can I go back drinking?
2018-07-14T00:10:31 < vampi-the-frog> I'm just enjoying it LIKE I ENJOY DISCUSSING STM32 ARM 32-BIT MICROCONTROLLERS
2018-07-14T00:13:25 < upgrdman> i fucking hate Microchip
2018-07-14T00:13:38 < upgrdman> wtf are there no code examples for pic24f using dma
2018-07-14T00:13:53 < karlp> because it's a pic
2018-07-14T00:14:14 < upgrdman> also, their ICD4 is fucking retarded. big, heavy, with a metallic case. ya a fucking metallic case on something that'll be around bare PCBs. idiots.
2018-07-14T00:14:40 < stvn> the fucking PrICs
2018-07-14T00:14:45 < upgrdman> yes
2018-07-14T00:14:49 < vampi-the-frog> something tells me that they're not meant for casual users
2018-07-14T00:14:56 < vampi-the-frog> and they expect you to pay for training and support
2018-07-14T00:15:02 < upgrdman> they're not meant for people with a brain
2018-07-14T00:15:04 < stvn> the fucking pricks
2018-07-14T00:15:08 < stvn> the fucking pricks
2018-07-14T00:15:25 < vampi-the-frog> they don't care about the brain they care about the wallet
2018-07-14T00:15:48 < stvn> i need cheap 8bit nigger compliant micro
2018-07-14T00:16:12 < stvn> i was thinking PIC maybe
2018-07-14T00:16:23 < vampi-the-frog> STM8?
2018-07-14T00:16:29 < vampi-the-frog> arduino?
2018-07-14T00:16:39 < stvn> arduino is a microcontroller?
2018-07-14T00:17:24 < vampi-the-frog> does the pope shit in the woods?
2018-07-14T00:19:34 < stvn> no he's too busy touching kids
2018-07-14T00:19:57 < Steffanx> perhaps its time to at least try to behave a little, mr stvn.
2018-07-14T00:20:08 < vampi-the-frog> hey how about those ON TOPIC STM32 ARM 32-BIT MICROCONTROLLERS
2018-07-14T00:20:10 < stvn> i didn't touch anyone
2018-07-14T00:20:12 < stvn> lol
2018-07-14T00:20:19 < vampi-the-frog> did you touch STM32 MICROCONTROLLERS?
2018-07-14T00:20:24 < stvn> yeah
2018-07-14T00:20:38 < stvn> they're really good cause you can use keil on them
2018-07-14T00:20:39 < vampi-the-frog> you may damage them by static discharge
2018-07-14T00:20:50 < vampi-the-frog> don't touch them
2018-07-14T00:22:12 < stvn> but i have ESD safe
2018-07-14T00:22:20 < vampi-the-frog> I SAID KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF THEM
2018-07-14T00:24:18 < stvn> might have been funny the first time you said it
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2018-07-14T00:58:01 < Ultrasauce> asd safe
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2018-07-14T01:10:30 < stvn> Lol
2018-07-14T01:10:39 < jadew> fucking godaddy slapped me with a $150 invoice
2018-07-14T01:10:43 < jadew> fucking assholes
2018-07-14T01:11:03 < jadew> and I can't get a refund without them deleting my domains, so I can't transfer them either
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2018-07-14T01:11:15 < jadew> that's for only 4 domain names
2018-07-14T01:11:21 < jadew> what a fucking rip off
2018-07-14T01:12:04 < stvn> The dogs
2018-07-14T01:12:57 < jadew> for those interested, I recommend namecheap
2018-07-14T01:13:10 < jadew> they are cheap
2018-07-14T01:13:51 < Steffanx> uhm, why they did that jadew?
2018-07-14T01:14:07 < Steffanx> As in you went for a deal, forgot about it, got renewed?
2018-07-14T01:14:21 < jadew> Steffanx, yes
2018-07-14T01:14:36 < Steffanx> Cant entirely blame them for it then :P
2018-07-14T01:15:06 < jadew> and I couldn't disable renewal when they gave me the notice because of a new feature they added
2018-07-14T01:15:23 < jadew> where you have to disable some shitty owner protection, which takes 3 days
2018-07-14T01:15:36 < jadew> currently, I have another domain about to be renewed in 2 days
2018-07-14T01:15:44 < jadew> and I can't transfer it, can't turn off renewal
2018-07-14T01:15:53 < jadew> and after renewal I can't get a refund and transfer it
2018-07-14T01:16:06 < jadew> so I either pay the bill or have it deleted and get a refund
2018-07-14T01:16:18 < jadew> sweet, eh?
2018-07-14T01:16:35 < Steffanx> Sure its shitty, but .. 
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2018-07-14T01:17:26 < stvn> I want to delete
2018-07-14T01:17:49 < stvn> Muh hole everything
2018-07-14T01:24:53 < Cracki> just learn the IP by heart
2018-07-14T01:24:58 < Cracki> dns is overrated
2018-07-14T01:25:11 < stvn> Dead n storage
2018-07-14T01:25:19 < Cracki> only good if you have customers
2018-07-14T01:25:22 < Steffanx> Good luck with that and ipv6 Cracki
2018-07-14T01:25:30 < stvn> Heh
2018-07-14T01:25:47 < Cracki> oh I don't worry about v6 IPs. they're just passwords with a smaller alphabet
2018-07-14T01:27:01 < Steffanx> My isp doesnt even do ipv6 yet/
2018-07-14T01:27:10 < Steffanx> At least not in the region i live.
2018-07-14T01:28:50 < Cracki> TIL ##matlab
2018-07-14T01:29:02 < stvn> Same we’re on Australia ipv1
2018-07-14T01:29:21 < stvn> Ofc ##matlab
2018-07-14T01:29:30 < Cracki> been looking for someone to hold my hand about a simulink/simscape problem I have... need to model belt/rope that's not always taut, and has a tiny bit of elasticity
2018-07-14T01:29:35 < stvn> Ask for a cracked copy
2018-07-14T01:29:40 < Cracki> no need, uni pays
2018-07-14T01:29:50 < stvn> Yeah
2018-07-14T01:30:42 < Cracki> discovering all this shit is like stadium lighting turned on inside a fucking cave
2018-07-14T01:31:42 < Cracki> like discovering modern solid CAD software when you only know cruddy free "cad" drawing software
2018-07-14T01:32:45 < Cracki> i mean... if you need a controller or anything useful really, it generates that for you. pick an RTOS, put the stuff in it, you're done. hardly any manual coding needed.
2018-07-14T01:33:34 < Cracki> first time I heard about this was when some group at uni did control loops for some autonomous RC car and they magically generated their stuff onto some stm32 board
2018-07-14T01:37:39 < Steffanx> But do you have any clue what you're doing. or is it just wizardy clicky click and youre done?
2018-07-14T01:37:46 < Steffanx> magically auto-tuned.
2018-07-14T01:37:52 < vampi-the-frog> was your domain www.how-to-stay-on-topic.com ?
2018-07-14T01:37:55 < Cracki> oh you have to know what you're doing
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2018-07-14T01:38:24 < Cracki> >_> fastest q in the west
2018-07-14T01:38:49 < Cracki> all this toolbox stuff just helps you _not_ do the grunt work over and over
2018-07-14T01:38:56 < jadew> hah
2018-07-14T01:39:35 < Cracki> like... simple problem, you model a spring-damper system. you could connect the control loop, OR you could get a spring, damper, and a mass, and connect them, set their physical params, and simulate that
2018-07-14T01:39:37 < jadew> Cracki, does it integrate with code you've written?
2018-07-14T01:39:50 < Cracki> it's all matlab/simulink, so yes :P
2018-07-14T01:39:59 < Cracki> and when you generate code from that, it's C
2018-07-14T01:40:19 < jadew> so you can't write C and say this takes x, y, z parameters and returns k
2018-07-14T01:40:21 < jadew> ?
2018-07-14T01:40:26 < Steffanx> never did simulink, but now when i look it, it reminds me of something else i had at uni. .. what was the name of that tool.
2018-07-14T01:40:28 < jadew> that would be useful
2018-07-14T01:40:34 < Cracki> example: stateflow is for state machines. it'll crap out a bunch of files with an init function, a step function, some accessors for input and output values...
2018-07-14T01:40:53 < Cracki> ni labview?
2018-07-14T01:41:02 < Steffanx> no, it was something more obscure
2018-07-14T01:41:31 < stvn> The obelisk of light
2018-07-14T01:42:17 < Cracki> anyway, mathworks is pushing this stuff to be used in industry. it's all about generating code now, so you can work with models rather than code, so you can *ask questions* about your models (is this bad state reachable, how, etc.)
2018-07-14T01:43:07 < jadew> Cracki, very interesting, but how good is the code it generates?
2018-07-14T01:43:11 < Steffanx> oh it seems to be less obscure than i thought. it was VisSim 
2018-07-14T01:43:36 < Cracki> looks good enough :P they even have some formal verification and proof stuff, but I haven't even read about that
2018-07-14T01:43:37 < jadew> I never used any of that in uni
2018-07-14T01:43:55 < jadew> could be because I haven't stuck around long enough
2018-07-14T01:44:40 < Cracki> I'm at the very beginning with this, on my own time. my concrete "problem" (from job) is two paper reels getting spooled, but not continuously, so you have the reels getting driven, and some tensioning arms with potentiometers... which are connected via a PI controller
2018-07-14T01:45:08 < Cracki> cruddy P controller up to now, which performs adequately but there's room
2018-07-14T01:45:26 < Steffanx> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VisSim it can even generate c code and stuff. How fancy. Didnt know that.
2018-07-14T01:45:33 < Cracki> at uni they would only teach me the control theory, not how you'd do that in the real world
2018-07-14T01:46:00 < Cracki> haha that looks like simulink with windows xp look
2018-07-14T01:46:14 < Steffanx> First appeared - 1989 
2018-07-14T01:46:19 < Steffanx> no upgrade since then
2018-07-14T01:46:22 < jadew> haha
2018-07-14T01:47:15 < jadew> there's a lot of money in simulation software
2018-07-14T01:47:29 < Cracki> they even let you import solid CAD models into simscape (such as a steward platform), then hook up hydraulics controllers and simulate all that. it's crazy.
2018-07-14T01:47:34 < jadew> the RF stuff costs fortunes
2018-07-14T01:47:35 < Cracki> oh yes there is
2018-07-14T01:47:45 < Cracki> so many domains
2018-07-14T01:49:10 < Cracki> I was actually hoping to use this generated state machine code on a lowly AVR... because I can't be assed to keep my handwritten state machine in sync with the customer's requirements doc
2018-07-14T01:49:33 < Cracki> just merge it into a nice graphical representation that incidentally _is_ the implementation
2018-07-14T01:50:07 < Cracki> business logic changes anyway, so I can concentrate on the tricky bits (juggling peripherals and the RTOS)
2018-07-14T01:52:19 < Cracki> I'm most excited about simulating the damn machine (instantly) instead of making it spin for half a minute every time I tweak a parameter.
2018-07-14T01:52:58 < Cracki> anyway, back to learning v6 IPs by heart :D
2018-07-14T01:55:13 < Steffanx> Dream well
2018-07-14T01:59:01 < stvn> Ty
2018-07-14T02:01:15 < karlp> jadew: hehe, I just moved away from godaddy recently :)
2018-07-14T02:01:19 < karlp> quite happy to have finally left them.
2018-07-14T02:01:43 < jadew> karlp, I've been moving for about 2 years
2018-07-14T02:01:57 < karlp> still, even godaddy gives you like 2 months, then 1 months notice of expiring domains, so.... kinda on you.
2018-07-14T02:01:59 < jadew> they got me several times with the auto renewal tho
2018-07-14T02:02:18 < jadew> nope, the renewal notice was only a week ago
2018-07-14T02:02:26 < jadew> and I had to go on vacation
2018-07-14T02:02:41 < jadew> thought I'd move them after I got back
2018-07-14T02:04:13 < karlp> meh, I didn't have autorenewal on, never have.
2018-07-14T02:04:26 < karlp> still, just turn autorenewal off, deal with this next year.
2018-07-14T02:04:32 < karlp> trying to get worked up about it now is futile
2018-07-14T02:04:49 < jadew> there are some domains I just don't want to lose
2018-07-14T02:04:51 < kakimir> I have not seen a scifi movie
2018-07-14T02:04:57 < kakimir> Event Horizon
2018-07-14T02:05:09 < karlp> jadew: so.... karlp | still, just turn autorenewal off, deal with this next year.
2018-07-14T02:05:28 < karlp> unless you value your time very poorly, 
2018-07-14T02:05:34 < karlp> (though I shoudl know from experience you seem to...)
2018-07-14T02:07:17 < jadew> karlp, wouldn't having autorenewal on save you a bit of time?
2018-07-14T02:07:37 < karlp> you're trying to move right?
2018-07-14T02:07:39 < karlp> just move next year
2018-07-14T02:07:46 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVlnER8SxfQ
2018-07-14T02:07:52 < jadew> ah, yeah
2018-07-14T02:08:08 < jadew> I will, I just disabled that protection shit that was preventing me from turning autorenewal off
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2018-07-14T02:15:50 < jadew> kakimir, I've seen it but don't remember it, let's watch it together :P
2018-07-14T02:22:23 < Cracki> oh hell that movie is something else
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2018-07-14T06:25:47 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/0elq48s44q911.jpg
2018-07-14T06:29:55 < Sadale> looks cool. What's that?
2018-07-14T06:30:02 < Sadale> Does that PCB do anything?
2018-07-14T06:30:16 < Sadale> and why is it bendable? Are those components real?
2018-07-14T06:35:53 < jadew> Sadale... it's a picture
2018-07-14T06:36:14 < jadew> but yeah, it looks cool, where do I get one from?
2018-07-14T06:36:34 < Sadale> really? It seems that there's some depth on that bendable PCB.
2018-07-14T06:36:49 < jadew> it's a good picture
2018-07-14T06:37:39 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/mUH077h.gifv
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2018-07-14T07:27:36 < bitmask> what does the pcb do
2018-07-14T07:30:40 < bitmask> https://www.amazon.com/Handmade-Schimmel-computer-Titanium-Platinum/dp/B019EJJ83W
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2018-07-14T07:31:08 < bitmask> real pcb in resin
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2018-07-14T07:32:51 < bitmask> I'm buying one, thanks for that
2018-07-14T07:33:00 < bitmask> they are between 20 and 45 bucks
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2018-07-14T07:48:43 < stvn> where is stefn
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2018-07-14T09:30:54 < dongs> thanks altifuck18
2018-07-14T09:31:04 < dongs> i can no longer place a footprint on pcb just for size fitting
2018-07-14T09:31:10 < dongs> it has to be attached to a schematic component
2018-07-14T09:34:34 < dongs> stvn: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/413314819/ora-the-worlds-first-graphene-headphones
2018-07-14T09:35:22 < stvn> that's muh kickstarter mate
2018-07-14T09:35:23 < stvn> not
2018-07-14T09:36:00 < dongs> as expected
2018-07-14T09:36:07 < stvn> oh a canuck 
2018-07-14T09:36:10 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/017/167/262/b9944f6379788757bd76897c8ec534a9_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1497900602&auto=format&q=92&s=cf6f214a900dfe5f5a9c8446936eb537
2018-07-14T09:36:16 < stvn> also lol another audiophile wank theory
2018-07-14T09:36:30 < dongs> all your shitty speakers emit fuzzy lines
2018-07-14T09:36:35 < stvn> oh fuck
2018-07-14T09:36:43 < stvn> well I better chuck them all
2018-07-14T09:36:56 < stvn> fuzzy lines are bad for those eardrums
2018-07-14T09:38:55 < dongs> < stvn> oh a canuck
2018-07-14T09:38:58 < dongs> so i shoulda attn: englishman that
2018-07-14T09:39:58 < stvn> of course
2018-07-14T09:40:07 < stvn> high off maple leaves right?
2018-07-14T09:40:53 < stvn> BUT..... I guess I can't talk, Ivan was an aussie
2018-07-14T09:40:56 < stvn> ://
2018-07-14T09:42:32 < stvn> jim dolbs on June 29, 2018
2018-07-14T09:42:32 < stvn> Just calling in to tell Ivan Reedman and his team they are still scamming cunts 👍
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2018-07-14T10:20:38 < stvn> hi sir
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2018-07-14T10:38:41 < stvn> just pumping along
2018-07-14T10:38:48 < stvn> talking about kickstarters
2018-07-14T10:38:52 < stvn> u?
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2018-07-14T15:41:34 < dongs> lol how did he get bant
2018-07-14T15:42:55 < Laurenceb____> he was me
2018-07-14T15:45:51 < Steffanx> Sometimes you just feel the need to do that dongs. Grumpy Steffanx, vampi being childishly annyoing => +q
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2018-07-14T15:58:08 < jadew> do heating elements in ovens go bad?
2018-07-14T15:58:21 < dongs> only if jews try to spit on them while they're hot
2018-07-14T15:58:23 < jadew> one of the ones in mine has a white spot on it, can't figure out what it is
2018-07-14T16:01:46 < Laurenceb____> loldongs
2018-07-14T16:02:15 < Laurenceb____> lul Blimpf got paraglided
2018-07-14T16:06:15 < jadew> fried? http://86.127.158.107/stuff/20180714_155909.jpg
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2018-07-14T16:08:32 < dongs> yep
2018-07-14T16:08:35 < dongs> thats a goner
2018-07-14T16:10:31 < Laurenceb____> daily reminder that spacex use lunix to run their landing controller
2018-07-14T16:10:34 < Laurenceb____> dongs btfo
2018-07-14T16:11:08 < jadew> I only powered it on a couple of times
2018-07-14T16:12:21 < Laurenceb____> https://mobile.twitter.com/aedison/status/1017578242918711297
2018-07-14T16:12:35 < Laurenceb____> le female autiste
2018-07-14T16:18:55 < jadew> are those elements in series?
2018-07-14T16:19:22 < jadew> because if they are it would explain why my boards got scortched on the bottom
2018-07-14T16:19:38 < jadew> the bottom elements had to compensate for the lack of heating from above
2018-07-14T16:19:59 < dongs> is this some ghetto toaster oven repurposed as reflow or someshit
2018-07-14T16:21:28 < jadew> yeah
2018-07-14T16:25:24 < dongs> didnt we all literally tell you to just get T962
2018-07-14T16:25:35 < jadew> I actually ordered that
2018-07-14T16:25:42 < jadew> then I read about it containing asbestos
2018-07-14T16:25:49 < dongs> ... and?
2018-07-14T16:26:01 < jadew> and decided to cancel the order
2018-07-14T16:26:02 < Laurenceb____> heh
2018-07-14T16:26:15 < Laurenceb____> I was thinking of making a toaster into an oven
2018-07-14T16:26:24 < Laurenceb____> but hot air is fine for everything I do
2018-07-14T16:26:38 < Laurenceb____> also I have some halogen IR lamps, that could be interesting
2018-07-14T16:26:41 < zyp> is that why you're so full of hot air?
2018-07-14T16:27:13 < jadew> Laurenceb____, hot air doesn't work for all situations
2018-07-14T16:27:18 < jadew> right now I actually need an oven
2018-07-14T16:27:34 < jadew> I have some shielding cans to mount and you can't do it with a hot air gun
2018-07-14T16:27:43 < Laurenceb____> ah
2018-07-14T16:27:49 < jadew> because all the pads have to melt at the same time, otherwise it's gonna end up croocked
2018-07-14T16:28:03 < Laurenceb____> I was worried about heat building up in an unmodified toaster on its side
2018-07-14T16:28:04 < jadew> *crooked
2018-07-14T16:28:14 < Laurenceb____> maybe a stainless steel cased one...
2018-07-14T16:28:45 < jadew> the issue I had with mine, and the reason I discovered the fried element, was that only the boards on the left would reflow
2018-07-14T16:29:23 < jadew> that after adding a sheet of copper on the tray - hoping it would prevent the yellowing of the silkscreen (it didn't, it just made it uneven)
2018-07-14T16:29:53 < jadew> anyway, I've read that if you isolate it, it all gets better and that's what I was planning to do
2018-07-14T16:30:00 < jadew> I guess I'll just buy another one now
2018-07-14T16:30:28 < jadew> that would be my 3rd toaster oven
2018-07-14T16:31:24 < zyp> jadew, all this bullshit you're going through now is why I decided I didn't want another project and just got a T962
2018-07-14T16:32:48 < jadew> zyp, I know, I don't want another project either
2018-07-14T16:36:33 < zyp> then you made the wrong choice e:p
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2018-07-14T17:11:09 < englishman> definitely
2018-07-14T17:13:12 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/NzSMa04.jpg
2018-07-14T17:13:32 < Laurenceb____> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Loyton
2018-07-14T17:13:44 < Laurenceb____> > A member of the resistance assisting to move the parachute containers killed himself by eating plastic explosive, believing it was some sort of cheese
2018-07-14T17:16:24 < Cracki> no taste buds, stuff is tasteless, or had a strange idea of what is edible
2018-07-14T17:20:23 < Cracki> wait, member of the resistance, so local pop
2018-07-14T17:20:30 < Cracki> #3 it is
2018-07-14T17:21:38 < BrainDamage> starved from the war is also a possibility
2018-07-14T17:25:00 < Cracki> doubt it. it's a "deeply wooded mountainous area". one local was out picking mushrooms. I'm sure there's enough wildlife so you don't have to eat putty of chemicals.
2018-07-14T17:25:59 < Cracki> all the starvation you see from ww2 is overwhelmingly typhus
2018-07-14T17:26:07 < Laurenceb____> >wonder why its so quiet
2018-07-14T17:26:12 < Laurenceb____> >freaking sportzball
2018-07-14T17:27:28 < Cracki> minute 27, good I can go for groceries in peace
2018-07-14T17:28:01 < Laurenceb____> lol england losing
2018-07-14T17:28:26 < Steffanx> you know a match takes 90 minutes uh?
2018-07-14T17:28:32 < Laurenceb____> looks like they got Trumped
2018-07-14T17:29:03 < Cracki> I know, which is why I figured at least an hour of occupied plebes
2018-07-14T17:29:18 < Cracki> ah you mean there's time for the bongs to score yet?
2018-07-14T17:29:29 < Steffanx> yessir
2018-07-14T17:29:48 < Laurenceb____> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiAbjdMWkAA9moG.jpg:small
2018-07-14T17:30:05 < Cracki> >history is over
2018-07-14T17:30:14 < Laurenceb____> >what is time
2018-07-14T17:42:15 < Laurenceb____> kekistan loves Israel https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2018/7/14/e7b88ae4-5d4c-49a1-aec0-12ebd9dd6fa3.jpg
2018-07-14T17:43:39 < Cracki> I don't see the equivalence
2018-07-14T17:44:49 < Cracki> ah, transitivity: kekistan -> trump -> israel
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2018-07-14T18:08:44 < Laurenceb____> https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/81EE/production/_102526233_mediaitem102526232.jpg
2018-07-14T18:08:49 < Laurenceb____> truly epin fail
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2018-07-14T18:33:01 < invzim> geaerfm
2018-07-14T18:33:09 < invzim> how to printf volatile uint32_t without warning
2018-07-14T18:38:28 < invzim> Someone has been smoking too much if " %"PRIu32"" is the only way to do it
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2018-07-14T18:49:31 < Cracki> wat
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2018-07-14T18:50:05 < Cracki> those defines are for specific-width types, so you're advised to use them instead of something saying "unsigned long"
2018-07-14T18:50:24 < Cracki> volatile or not shouldn't matter
2018-07-14T18:51:18 < Cracki> thank the C standard for only giving lower bounds on the range (int at least 16 bits...)
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2018-07-14T19:10:08 < invzim> hunting down warnings can be a PITA
2018-07-14T19:15:25 < kakimir> what is PITA
2018-07-14T19:16:51 < emeb_mac> a kind of flatbread
2018-07-14T19:16:55 < emeb_mac> or Pain in the Ass
2018-07-14T19:17:21 < kakimir> yes
2018-07-14T19:17:39 < kakimir> information stored
2018-07-14T19:17:52 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imp0BqHBxyQ encore
2018-07-14T19:17:58 < kakimir> State of Mind - Sun King
2018-07-14T19:18:37 < emeb_mac> nice
2018-07-14T19:19:35 < kakimir> doesn't that sound like a summer?
2018-07-14T19:22:09 < emeb_mac> hard to say... my summers tend to have less D&B
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2018-07-14T19:35:04 < kakimir> I remember teenage summers
2018-07-14T19:35:09 < kakimir> DnB was a thing
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2018-07-14T20:41:38 < branjb> DnB?
2018-07-14T20:41:42 < branjb> dicks and balls?
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2018-07-14T21:12:35 < jpa-> invzim: i usually use    printf("%u", (unsigned)my_uint32_value)    which avoids warnings and does not look as stupid as PRIu32
2018-07-14T21:12:56 < jpa-> but of course is less portable
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2018-07-14T21:31:17 < tct> people
2018-07-14T21:31:20 < tct> I have come to amuse you
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2018-07-14T21:32:39 < jpa-> it's the next best thing after the dutch clown!
2018-07-14T21:33:14 < catphish> today i'd just like to whine about the placement of the analog supplies on my nucleo board, they're as far away as they could possibly be from the majority of the analog pins and indeed from each other, that is all
2018-07-14T21:33:44 < tct> better blog
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2018-07-14T21:48:07 < mawk> indeed catphish 
2018-07-14T22:08:44 < tct> who would like to talk about bird nests?
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2018-07-14T22:36:33 < vampi-the-frog> tct: how do you get birds to live in a birdhouse you build for them?
2018-07-14T22:37:11 < tct> spoofing
2018-07-14T22:38:41 < vampi-the-frog> what's that
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2018-07-14T22:48:11 < vampi-the-frog> you don't know anything about bird nests, do you?
2018-07-14T22:51:41 < tct> awww, you got me
2018-07-14T23:06:40 < Cracki> you think they need convincing?
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2018-07-14T23:26:34 < tct> birds should be prohibited anyway
2018-07-14T23:27:33 < kakimir> fight the nature
2018-07-14T23:35:40 < jadew> since I fixed the jerk settings I had no more failed prints
2018-07-14T23:36:03 < kakimir> "jerk settings"
2018-07-14T23:36:15 < jadew> yes, it needed new jerk off instructions
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2018-07-14T23:44:46 < invzim> jpa-: that looks a lot less retarted, I'll steal that thanks :)
2018-07-14T23:45:15 < invzim> retarded even
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2018-07-14T23:53:01 < Cracki> i'm not sure 3d printers give a fuck about jerk. they just have to have proper acceleration settings.
2018-07-14T23:53:35 < Cracki> nb: jerk = derivative of acceleration
2018-07-14T23:54:22 < Cracki> i.e. if you were standing upright and suddenly the center of the earth would jump and pull you a different way, that'd be discontinuous acceleration
2018-07-14T23:54:35 < Cracki> i.e. unlimited jerk at this instant
2018-07-14T23:55:31 < Cracki> what would make sense if limiting acceleration at corner moves
2018-07-14T23:56:14 < Cracki> usually 3d printers don't give a fuck about that, just move at v const along the edges, fuck changing direction softly
2018-07-14T23:58:27 < Cracki> "jerk" is also when the bus driver floors it. discontinuous acceleration.
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2018-07-15T00:00:55 < Cracki> seems 3d printer peeps call "jerk" acceleration at corners
2018-07-15T00:08:19 < catphish> derivative of acceleration? i can't even imagine what that would look like
2018-07-15T00:10:27 < zyp> catphish, it's in the name; jerk
2018-07-15T00:11:45 < zyp> catphish, picture sitting in a car where the driver is flooring it and you're being pushed back into the seat, that push is fairly even acceleration
2018-07-15T00:12:06 < catphish> the best way i can imagine it is when you stop accelerating in a car
2018-07-15T00:12:18 < catphish> your body is pushing against the acceleration
2018-07-15T00:12:23 < zyp> now, imagine the driver lets of the gas and slams the brakes, the sudden change in acceleration throwing you forward is jerk
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2018-07-15T00:12:51 < catphish> that's not true, what's throwing you forward is the deceleration in that case
2018-07-15T00:12:54 < zyp> driver gets back on the accellerator and you get jerked back in the seat again
2018-07-15T00:13:07 < zyp> deceleration is just negative acceleration
2018-07-15T00:13:21 < catphish> that's just the constant acceleration causing that, not the change in acceleration
2018-07-15T00:13:40 < zyp> I'm talking about going from being pushed back to being thrown forward
2018-07-15T00:13:54 < catphish> but yeah, you feel the change, i see
2018-07-15T00:14:19 < catphish> i'd never contemplated that's something you'd ever measure, but makes sense
2018-07-15T00:14:47 < catphish> i really only thought instantaneous acceleration and its integral mattered
2018-07-15T00:14:50 < zyp> in CNC, jerk limiting is most relevant for stuff like S curves
2018-07-15T00:15:09 < zyp> picture running along an S curve at a constant speed
2018-07-15T00:15:57 < zyp> in the first half, you have centripetal acceleration in one direction, while the second half has centripetal acceleration in the other direction
2018-07-15T00:16:12 < catphish> running in any kind of circle is a good demonstration of change of acceleration, since the direction of the acceleration constantly changes
2018-07-15T00:16:36 < Cracki> what's throwing you around is your inertia
2018-07-15T00:16:46 < zyp> if you run constant speed, you get a pretty high jerk when the centripetal acceleration changes direction in the middle of the S curve, even though your absolute velocity doesn't change
2018-07-15T00:16:57 < Cracki> the *sudden* change in acceleration (the *rate of change* of acceleration) is jerk
2018-07-15T00:17:15 < catphish> actually running in a circle, the acceleration is constant relative to your body, weird
2018-07-15T00:17:21 < zyp> yeah
2018-07-15T00:17:39 < Cracki> it's constant, but changing continuously
2018-07-15T00:17:43 < Cracki> not discontinuously
2018-07-15T00:17:56 < zyp> running constant speed in a circle per definition has a constant acceleration at a direction normal to your velocity
2018-07-15T00:18:12 < Cracki> constant acceleration inwards
2018-07-15T00:18:21 < Cracki> or you would just keep moving forward
2018-07-15T00:18:34 < catphish> "changing continuously", now we're at the *second* derivative of speed, my brain hurts
2018-07-15T00:18:49 < Cracki> v'' is a' is jerk
2018-07-15T00:19:03 < Cracki> just stick with the "flooring the gas pedal" image
2018-07-15T00:19:16 < Cracki> you go from no acceleration to some constant acceleration
2018-07-15T00:19:20 < zyp> part of what makes this hard to grasp is that all the quantities are vectors
2018-07-15T00:19:27 < Cracki> flatland
2018-07-15T00:19:38 < Cracki> you can look at everything as happening on a single dimension
2018-07-15T00:19:55 < Cracki> chuck the steering wheel
2018-07-15T00:20:30 < Cracki> imagine a spherical cow of uniform density in a vacuum in zero gravity
2018-07-15T00:20:37 < jadew> I think in the context of a 3D printer, acceleration alone is jerk
2018-07-15T00:20:43 < jadew> not the rate of change of acceleration
2018-07-15T00:20:49 < zyp> no
2018-07-15T00:20:56 < Cracki> yes, these jerks invented a new term for acceleration at corners
2018-07-15T00:21:10 < zyp> 3d printer stuff doesn't account for jerk proper
2018-07-15T00:21:14 < jadew> that's because X amount of acceleration can be too much
2018-07-15T00:21:22 < Cracki> the thing *does* have to accelerate. steppers don't like going from v=0 to v=100 instantaneously
2018-07-15T00:21:31 < zyp> ref. S-curves
2018-07-15T00:21:41 < Cracki> S curves are voodoo. nobody defines them properly.
2018-07-15T00:21:49 < Cracki> are they splines? beziers?
2018-07-15T00:22:05 < zyp> not that
2018-07-15T00:22:21 < Cracki> someone even defines them in terms of cosines
2018-07-15T00:22:31 < zyp> 3d printer firmwares are dumb, they don't think in curves at all
2018-07-15T00:23:03 < Cracki> *the people who write firmware for
2018-07-15T00:23:18 < zyp> haha, thanks
2018-07-15T00:23:21 < Cracki> :P
2018-07-15T00:23:34 < Cracki> delta printers! that needs trig at least, so sqrts and shit
2018-07-15T00:23:57 < zyp> I'm just doing what everybody else are doing wrt. acceleration handling
2018-07-15T00:24:07 < Cracki> and even if you have that, you have to discretize the path or you'd use straight motor motions, getting bent curves of the tool point
2018-07-15T00:24:25 < zyp> printer topology doesn't really matter at this stage
2018-07-15T00:24:38 < Cracki> wat
2018-07-15T00:24:46 < Cracki> deltas aren't cartesian
2018-07-15T00:24:51 < zyp> firmwares plans out the motions with cartesian coordinates first and then translate to stepper coordinates, as far as I've seen
2018-07-15T00:25:12 < Cracki> do they eat the same cartesian g-code as other printers, or does the slicer have to generate gcode in terms of motor axes?
2018-07-15T00:25:21 < Cracki> consider this:
2018-07-15T00:25:24 < zyp> yes, they do
2018-07-15T00:25:32 < Cracki> delta, moving from one end of the platform to the other, in a single motion
2018-07-15T00:25:44 < Cracki> that MUST have non-linear motion profiles in motor space
2018-07-15T00:25:49 < zyp> g-code just says where the print head needs to be relative to the reference point for the workpiece
2018-07-15T00:26:28 < Cracki> if you were to drive the motors with constant speed, you'd get arcs or more complicated trajectories at the tool point
2018-07-15T00:26:45 < Cracki> so these things MUST break up G1 into path segments
2018-07-15T00:26:47 < zyp> planner stage takes a bunch of segments, looks to see how fast it can go through junctions and adds acceleration/deceleration profiles to the segments
2018-07-15T00:27:09 < Cracki> this all sounds fucked
2018-07-15T00:28:05 < zyp> after the planner stage, you have a path for the toolhead with an acceleration/speed profile
2018-07-15T00:28:19 < zyp> and then you just map toolhead coordinates to stepper coordinates
2018-07-15T00:28:36 < Cracki> that's good enough for cartesians, but with deltas you might exceed motor limits
2018-07-15T00:28:50 < Cracki> kinematics start to become nontrivial
2018-07-15T00:29:11 < zyp> speed limit?
2018-07-15T00:29:13 < Cracki> you know, you haven't told me anything I didn't expect
2018-07-15T00:29:31 < Cracki> but you didn't tell me how that thing handles ONE straight motion
2018-07-15T00:29:38 < Cracki> and the stepping in between
2018-07-15T00:30:04 < Cracki> nvm
2018-07-15T00:30:14 < zyp> you just set the max toolhead speed so that no steppers will exceed their max speed under any conditions
2018-07-15T00:30:26 < Cracki> toolhead speed != motor speed with deltas
2018-07-15T00:30:47 < Cracki> they're incidentally within half an order of magnitude, but that's all
2018-07-15T00:31:09 < Cracki> and speed isn't even the issue!
2018-07-15T00:31:10 < zyp> sure, that's why you use the worst case numbers
2018-07-15T00:31:14 < Cracki> the geometry is the issue
2018-07-15T00:31:17 < zyp> what's the issue then?
2018-07-15T00:31:43 < Cracki> linear motion of tool head implies nonlinear motion of motors
2018-07-15T00:31:46 < Cracki> and vice versa
2018-07-15T00:31:50 < zyp> so?
2018-07-15T00:32:10 < Cracki> so even linear motion (G1) has to be segmented reasonably finely
2018-07-15T00:32:31 < zyp> that's not how my firmware works
2018-07-15T00:32:50 < Cracki> that's how it must work, or you get tool head crashes for long G1
2018-07-15T00:33:23 < Cracki> ... what do you think I mean when I say "delta"?
2018-07-15T00:33:42 < zyp> I know what a delta printer is, whet do you mean by segmented finely?
2018-07-15T00:34:02 < Cracki> I would have to draw that. cba rn.
2018-07-15T00:34:27 < zyp> okay, let me explain how my firmware works
2018-07-15T00:34:38 < Cracki> finely enough that the error is small enough to not affect the print
2018-07-15T00:34:47 < Cracki> I'd figure on the order of millimeters
2018-07-15T00:35:06 < Cracki> if you were to generate gcode for a 100x100 mm square vase...
2018-07-15T00:35:13 < Cracki> that's 4 times G1 per layer
2018-07-15T00:35:30 < zyp> yep
2018-07-15T00:35:55 < zyp> my code breaks each of those G1 commands into three segments
2018-07-15T00:36:00 < Cracki> only 3?
2018-07-15T00:36:08 < Cracki> what is each for?
2018-07-15T00:36:18 < zyp> acceleration, constant speed, deceleration
2018-07-15T00:36:53 < zyp> out comes a list of 12 segments, some of them might be zero length and get discarded
2018-07-15T00:36:54 < Cracki> I think I am unable to explain to you the kinematics I mean
2018-07-15T00:37:07 < zyp> no, you're just not letting me get to the point
2018-07-15T00:37:38 < Ultrasauce> cracki go read about the inverse jacobian
2018-07-15T00:37:44 < Ultrasauce> that + a constraint is what you're thinking of
2018-07-15T00:37:57 < Ultrasauce> it's easier than you're making it out to be
2018-07-15T00:38:13 < zyp> my firmware is untraditional in that I do this calculation on the host, and then I send this list of segments to the microcontroller, I call this a motion block
2018-07-15T00:38:15 < Cracki> sending me off into the calculus woods isn't fun
2018-07-15T00:38:43 < Ultrasauce> well you can continue to flail and handwave and not know what you're talking about then
2018-07-15T00:38:44 < Cracki> the kinematics of delta printers aren't linear.
2018-07-15T00:38:47 < Ultrasauce> with my blessing
2018-07-15T00:39:03 < Cracki> well you could give me a bit more than "inverse jacobian"
2018-07-15T00:39:13 < Cracki> who's to say you know what it means?
2018-07-15T00:39:18 < Ultrasauce> would you like the wiki link?
2018-07-15T00:39:26 < Cracki> show me how it applies to the problem
2018-07-15T00:39:43 < Cracki> I can show you any wiki link to any term I can come up with, doesn't mean it applies to the topic
2018-07-15T00:39:46 < Ultrasauce> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL65CC0384A1798ADF
2018-07-15T00:40:15 < Cracki> good, robotics, kinematics. that's the right subject.
2018-07-15T00:40:17 < zyp> the mcu firmware takes the data in the motion block, along with current time in block, and uses that to calculate «what's the current target xyz coordinates of the toolhead?», then transforms that into «what's the current target position for each stepper?»
2018-07-15T00:40:38 < zyp> for cartesian, that's a simple steps per millimeter multiplication
2018-07-15T00:40:57 < zyp> for a corexy you mix x and y
2018-07-15T00:41:05 < zyp> for a delta you do some pythagoras stuff
2018-07-15T00:41:09 < Cracki> Ultrasauce, jacobians are a linear thing, right?
2018-07-15T00:41:17 < Cracki> pythagoras, that's correct
2018-07-15T00:41:20 < Cracki> but go along the line
2018-07-15T00:41:31 < Cracki> see if what you get via pythagoras lies on a line still
2018-07-15T00:41:33 < Cracki> it wont
2018-07-15T00:41:50 < zyp> have you actually looked into the delta formulas?
2018-07-15T00:41:51 < Cracki> which is why I keep saying you have to discretize long linear motion into shorter segments
2018-07-15T00:42:00 < zyp> the forward formula is plain 3D pythagoras IIRC
2018-07-15T00:42:05 < Cracki> I have played with a delta. I know they're not linear.
2018-07-15T00:42:07 < zyp> the reverse formula is irrelevant for me
2018-07-15T00:42:23 < zyp> pythagoras is not linear either
2018-07-15T00:42:26 < Cracki> you mean reverse, from toolhead to motor positions
2018-07-15T00:42:38 < Cracki> or inverse, whatever :P
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2018-07-15T00:43:02 < zyp> whatever, forward/reverse is all about perspective
2018-07-15T00:44:08 < zyp> either way, my point is that the cartesian toolhead position to delta stepper position mapping happens at the last point of the pipeline, it's not relevant to anything that happens before it
2018-07-15T00:44:40 < Cracki> I understand. you still haven't addressed my concern about how long each motion is.
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2018-07-15T00:45:13 < stvn> Thailand cave rescuer reviews Elon Musk’s death tube: “He can stick it where it hurts.”
2018-07-15T00:45:13 < zyp> it's not relevant, I run this transform once per tick, i.e. thousands of time per segment
2018-07-15T00:45:30 < Cracki> *that* is what I wanted to hear
2018-07-15T00:46:45 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/vC7XO <- this is a mess, but the cartesian transform is basically lines 29-32
2018-07-15T00:47:24 < zyp> anything before it is floating point millimeters, anything after it is integer steps
2018-07-15T00:48:50 < stvn> ty
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2018-07-15T00:53:13 < Cracki> Ultrasauce, the (inverse) jacobian says something about instantaneous velocities is for a certain pose. it doesn't describe trajectories. trajectories will almost always make the jacobian change over time.
2018-07-15T00:56:37 < zyp> Cracki, consider that my segments are described by p = t**2 * a + t * v + s
2018-07-15T00:57:26 < zyp> the delta transform basically does delta_p = sqrt(A - p**2)
2018-07-15T00:57:56 < zyp> (plus some extra math to account for more than one axis, but that's not relevant now)
2018-07-15T00:58:49 < zyp> I'm sure you could insert and reorder that to another expression giving you delta_p(t)
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2018-07-15T00:59:01 < zyp> and now you've defined the position of a stepper per time
2018-07-15T00:59:54 < zyp> the nonlinearities you're worried about gets taken care of by the higher order terms of the expression
2018-07-15T01:01:30 < zyp> A is a constant, it's basically arm length squared
2018-07-15T01:03:57 < zyp> I'm about to go to bed, so I don't have time to work this out tonight
2018-07-15T01:04:33 < zyp> but maybe I should work it out tomorrow, now that I think through it, it would probably simplify things to do this on the host instead
2018-07-15T01:05:12 < zyp> that way mcu doesn't need to special case for delta at all, and homing gets simple again
2018-07-15T01:05:36 < zyp> … and now I'll probably have to get myself a delta printer too :p
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2018-07-15T01:45:33 < Laurenceb____> lel https://mobile.twitter.com/GreenpeaceUK/status/1017888787333046274
2018-07-15T01:52:36 < jadew> what's a good language for technical documents? latex?
2018-07-15T01:53:33 < jadew> I find the office tools to be a bit difficult to work with when you have a complex layout
2018-07-15T01:54:32 < stvn> good question
2018-07-15T01:58:28 < stvn> wb Laurenceb____ 
2018-07-15T02:04:32 < Laurenceb____> jadew: I used latex for CE stuff
2018-07-15T02:04:49 < jadew> would you recommend it?
2018-07-15T02:06:13 < Laurenceb____> heh 
2018-07-15T02:06:19 < Laurenceb____> I'd recommend it more than word
2018-07-15T02:06:42 < jadew> so it's not particularly great
2018-07-15T02:06:50 < Laurenceb____> >Greenpeace still didnt troll Trump as hard as I irl trolld Tony Blair
2018-07-15T02:06:54 < Laurenceb____> jadew: yeah
2018-07-15T02:08:38 < Laurenceb____> https://imgur.com/tLx9q6H
2018-07-15T02:09:32 < stvn> good work blax
2018-07-15T02:10:06 < stvn> A BRITISH diver who helped rescue the trapped Thai soccer team had a blunt response when asked what he thought of Elon Musk’s plan to save the boys.
2018-07-15T02:10:28 < Laurenceb____> put Blair/Bush buttsex video on autoplay on all the projectors when he opened new building at school
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2018-07-15T02:14:29 < Laurenceb____> the story of how I got permab& from all school computers
2018-07-15T02:14:52 < stvn> i do remember you telling this story
2018-07-15T02:17:44 < Laurenceb____> seems I need to do more irl trolls then
2018-07-15T02:26:58 < stvn> yeah
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2018-07-15T02:28:00 < stvn> all you needed to do was put some megaphone playing fk her in the pussy as trump was in the UK
2018-07-15T02:28:24 < stvn> instead of that stupid balloon
2018-07-15T02:30:15 < stvn> trigger a feminist rage and it all falls into place
2018-07-15T02:32:30 < Cracki> technical writing: i'd put latex and msword at about equal pain. each has its downsides.
2018-07-15T02:32:46 < Cracki> you might wanna look for commercial technical documentation programs.
2018-07-15T02:33:31 < Cracki> crossrefs might be important, inserting figures, keeping not just a TOC tree, but a kind of network over all the paragraphs
2018-07-15T02:40:51 < Laurenceb____> tbh I tried word for CE shit
2018-07-15T02:41:13 < Cracki> wats ce
2018-07-15T02:41:14 < Laurenceb____> it was a massive pita, but that could have been due to a perman00b creating the first draft documents
2018-07-15T02:41:25 < Laurenceb____> with latex he just sent me .txt
2018-07-15T02:41:35 < Laurenceb____> Cracki: european union shit
2018-07-15T02:41:40 < Cracki> my condolences
2018-07-15T02:42:14 < Cracki> yes, customers must be given only toddler-safe things, such as notepad
2018-07-15T02:43:03 < Laurenceb____> word resulted in tables screwing up and inconstent weirdness
2018-07-15T02:43:23 < Cracki> writing and layouting are different steps
2018-07-15T02:43:26 < Laurenceb____> latex resulted in annoying uncontrollable layout and annoying table complexity
2018-07-15T02:43:52 < Cracki> latex pretends layouting can be automagic
2018-07-15T02:43:58 < Laurenceb____> yeah
2018-07-15T02:44:08 < Laurenceb____> latex gave really nice looking documents in the end
2018-07-15T02:44:21 < Laurenceb____> I gave up trying to make nice looking stuff in word
2018-07-15T02:44:24 < Cracki> you can have the same if you install the Computer Modern font and use it in word
2018-07-15T02:44:40 < Cracki> tweak the line spacing some, and that's it
2018-07-15T02:45:23 < Laurenceb____> until you have a ~1k page document with a bazillion cross references, tables, graphics etc
2018-07-15T02:45:33 < Cracki> I'm planning to write my master's thesis in word, active voice too because I fucking hate this passive or "we" style everyone seems to want
2018-07-15T02:45:39 < Cracki> heh
2018-07-15T02:46:05 < Cracki> if you have 1k lines, you might consider making modules of it
2018-07-15T02:46:13 < Laurenceb____> latex also worked nicely with the mercurial repository the team was using
2018-07-15T02:46:17 < Cracki> maybe word can do that, I haven't heard of it
2018-07-15T02:46:25 < Cracki> diffability ftw
2018-07-15T02:46:40 < Cracki> which is why I tried pandoc-markdown some while ago
2018-07-15T02:46:44 < Cracki> with inline latex
2018-07-15T02:46:52 < Cracki> tables are still just text, which is shit
2018-07-15T02:47:16 < Laurenceb____> what is your thesis on?
2018-07-15T02:47:29 < Cracki> I plan to do it on some computer vision stuff
2018-07-15T02:47:42 < Laurenceb____> ah cool
2018-07-15T02:47:46 < Cracki> still a little wary of the institute I have in mind... they do weird niche shit
2018-07-15T02:47:48 < Laurenceb____> that looks quite exciting
2018-07-15T02:48:02 < Cracki> would do something else too if I knew what
2018-07-15T02:48:03 < Laurenceb____> I was playing with a CNN trained using PCA
2018-07-15T02:48:06 < Laurenceb____> just for fun
2018-07-15T02:48:32 < Cracki> I keep putting off getting into all this machine learning stuff
2018-07-15T02:48:52 < Cracki> especially the DNN stuff, it's just mashing on the numbers with a big enough crunch
2018-07-15T02:49:12 < Laurenceb____> yeah its basically a sequential PCA
2018-07-15T02:49:12 < Cracki> wasting RAM while not remembering shit between video frames
2018-07-15T02:49:16 < Laurenceb____> ikr
2018-07-15T02:49:38 < Laurenceb____> imo there are ppl from different fields not talking to each other
2018-07-15T02:49:55 < Cracki> and, having read the book on Hierarchical Temporal Memory and its biological motivation, keep wondering why nobody has stumbled across the key to machine intelligence yet
2018-07-15T02:50:09 < Cracki> aye, they are definitely not talking to each other
2018-07-15T02:50:28 < Laurenceb____> I managed to get some feature recognition working in matlab
2018-07-15T02:50:32 < Laurenceb____> using PCA
2018-07-15T02:50:39 < Laurenceb____> and CIFAR training sets
2018-07-15T02:50:44 < Cracki> principal component analysis, right?
2018-07-15T02:50:46 < Laurenceb____> but without any training inputs
2018-07-15T02:50:47 < Laurenceb____> yes
2018-07-15T02:50:57 < Laurenceb____> so its was completely unsupervised
2018-07-15T02:51:10 < Cracki> so eigenvectors and then some discrimination on it
2018-07-15T02:51:26 < Laurenceb____> aiui PCA has been avoided as ppl though it would use too much ram, as you'd need the entire training set as a single input
2018-07-15T02:51:35 < Cracki> pfft
2018-07-15T02:51:45 < Laurenceb____> but actually with a large enough set of inputs the eigenvectors are the same
2018-07-15T02:51:48 < Cracki> I don't see why that can't be kludged into running online
2018-07-15T02:51:56 < Cracki> also that
2018-07-15T02:52:10 < Laurenceb____> so I used batches of a few hundred images and averaged the first few tens of eigenvectors
2018-07-15T02:52:12 < Laurenceb____> and it worked
2018-07-15T02:52:17 < Cracki> ;)
2018-07-15T02:53:02 < Cracki> maybe there's a even mathy way to mess with the covariance matrices of batches to get exact results
2018-07-15T02:53:27 < Laurenceb____> in fact first few looked pretty much like Walsh functions
2018-07-15T02:53:31 < Cracki> it's all numerics and measurements anyway
2018-07-15T02:53:42 < Cracki> recently I became ware that some DNNs operate on ~100x100 pixel data
2018-07-15T02:53:48 < Laurenceb____> I got annoyed by matlab at that point
2018-07-15T02:53:53 < Cracki> of fucking COURSE they can't distinguish one pixel soup from another
2018-07-15T02:54:00 < Laurenceb____> but it should be possible to layer PCA stages
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2018-07-15T02:54:50 < Cracki> it's all fucking magic, but not a dead end, so I have little enthusiasm to understand and use it
2018-07-15T02:54:51 < bitmask> hah why did I decide to print 8 joints for this phone/cam mount, a bit much
2018-07-15T02:55:01 < Cracki> blaze it
2018-07-15T02:55:13 < Cracki> you figured you'll snap some of them?
2018-07-15T02:55:26 < bitmask> not spares, they are all connected
2018-07-15T02:59:13 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/snID7q3.png
2018-07-15T03:00:53 < Cracki> ribbed for his pleasure
2018-07-15T03:01:17 < bitmask> yessir
2018-07-15T03:02:29 < Cracki> I've seen gorillapod-style arms for a PCB probing vise. clamp the pcb, position the probe tentacles, test and measure
2018-07-15T03:02:43 < Cracki> I see you have one of these joints there too
2018-07-15T03:03:46 < Cracki> i see you have a "lead screw" there too
2018-07-15T03:05:09 < bitmask> what you mean for the phone clamp?
2018-07-15T03:05:14 < Cracki> yes
2018-07-15T03:05:23 < bitmask> yup, didnt have  a screw long enough so I had to print it
2018-07-15T03:05:36 < bitmask> luckily the 'kit' included one
2018-07-15T03:05:58 < Cracki> lead-screw-free 3d printer: https://hackaday.com/2018/01/04/huge-3d-printer-ditches-lead-screw-for-belt-driven-z-axis/
2018-07-15T03:07:00 < bitmask> doesnt look very good by that pic
2018-07-15T03:07:34 < Cracki> leaky vase
2018-07-15T03:07:45 < Cracki> shit settings, but I wouldn't blame the z-axis
2018-07-15T03:07:57 < stvn> the 3d innovators 
2018-07-15T03:08:07 < bitmask> is that you?
2018-07-15T03:11:26 < Cracki> dat buildlog https://drmrehorst.blogspot.com/2017/07/ultra-megamax-dominator-z-axis-design_65.html
2018-07-15T03:17:20 < Cracki> twitter updated its all-your-data archive... I somehow get to download 39 GB
2018-07-15T03:17:33 < Cracki> must have included media of all retweets
2018-07-15T03:18:00 < stvn> retweet muh dick
2018-07-15T03:18:30 < Cracki> my brain autocompletes dick to dick cheney
2018-07-15T03:19:08 < stvn> The most important possession a nigger buck has. Used to rape white wimminz, spread venereal diseases, and create new shitlets for welfare mammies. A condom is never used on this device.
2018-07-15T03:19:48 < Cracki> >1 definition by boneesha
2018-07-15T03:20:17 < Cracki> >3269
2018-07-15T03:21:15 < Cracki> there's a german word, "Schätzchen", it is pronounced "shits kin"
2018-07-15T03:21:32 < Cracki> meaning little treasure
2018-07-15T03:24:53 < Cracki> indeed the madmen included media of all retweets
2018-07-15T03:25:26 < antto> your life is worth 39GB
2018-07-15T03:25:36 < antto> that's a lot, you should feel happy
2018-07-15T03:25:46 < antto> it could've been 39KB
2018-07-15T03:25:58 < antto> mine is 0
2018-07-15T03:26:02 < Cracki> that's less than a decade of twitter usage
2018-07-15T03:26:37 < Cracki> and most of the spicy shit isn't in there because these people's accounts get nuked so often
2018-07-15T03:26:46 < Cracki> I'd have to capture it in real time
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2018-07-15T03:55:56 < stvn> Lol
2018-07-15T03:56:16 < con3> hmm.. I got the RTC going but how could I sync it with an external RTC via spi? Just load the values from the spi and initialize it?
2018-07-15T03:57:35 < dongs> what 'external rtc'?
2018-07-15T03:57:47 < dongs> why would you even have that, when the one in STM32 can be battery powered
2018-07-15T03:57:47 < Laurenceb____> an epic fail
2018-07-15T03:57:56 < Laurenceb____> cuz fullk retard
2018-07-15T03:58:08 < con3> dongs: Assuming drift could be an issue
2018-07-15T03:58:12 < Laurenceb____> wut
2018-07-15T03:58:26 < Laurenceb____> stm32 rtc can do +-1ppm trim steps
2018-07-15T03:59:05 < con3> Laurenceb____: hmm.. one sec
2018-07-15T03:59:32 < con3> I asked somewhere and they told me it would drift by 5 mins a week or something
2018-07-15T03:59:40 < Laurenceb____> nope
2018-07-15T04:00:07 < Laurenceb____> I get <1minute per year under "office" conditions
2018-07-15T04:00:25 < Laurenceb____> after a simple automatic calibration for each device
2018-07-15T04:00:30 < con3> assuming your using a really good external clock?
2018-07-15T04:00:34 < Laurenceb____> yes
2018-07-15T04:00:45 < Laurenceb____> also known as gps 
2018-07-15T04:01:22 < con3> Ok, I'll look into that, < 1 min is really good
2018-07-15T04:01:27 < con3> ah GPS
2018-07-15T04:01:38 < Laurenceb____> most of my devices were <15s/year
2018-07-15T04:01:48 < Laurenceb____> GPS is just for one off calibration
2018-07-15T04:03:17 < con3> Would you mind linking me one of the clocks you've used? Not too familiar. Still very new to all of this
2018-07-15T04:03:47 < Laurenceb____> just the best 32kHz xtal off digikey with some decent NP0 caps
2018-07-15T04:04:05 < Laurenceb____>  +-15ppm or something irrc
2018-07-15T04:05:20 < con3> Great, thank you!and then you just calibrate the stm's clock to an ntp server value and done?
2018-07-15T04:05:33 < Laurenceb____> to gps 1pps
2018-07-15T04:05:42 < Laurenceb____> ublox modules you can set to 512hz output
2018-07-15T04:05:56 < con3> great, thank you! 
2018-07-15T04:05:57 < Laurenceb____> then look at the stm32 rtc pwm output and gps 1pps
2018-07-15T04:06:12 < Laurenceb____> trim the stm32 rtc until it aligns with the gps
2018-07-15T04:06:51 < con3> this was what I was referring to by external rtc, just said it really stupid. 
2018-07-15T04:07:17 < dongs> digikey changed their favicon :(
2018-07-15T04:07:20 < dongs> now it looks fucking GAY
2018-07-15T04:08:00 < Laurenceb____> if you are leobodnar you mount xtal inside vibration isolated wax insulated box
2018-07-15T04:08:29 < dongs> heh
2018-07-15T04:08:49 < Laurenceb____> wew he moved to twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/leobodnar?lang=en
2018-07-15T04:09:12 < Laurenceb____> reads like dongs
2018-07-15T04:10:13 < Laurenceb____> https://mobile.twitter.com/LeoBodnar/status/1006162950065917954?p=v
2018-07-15T04:10:14 < Laurenceb____> wew
2018-07-15T04:13:06 < Laurenceb____> sheeet http://leobodnar.com/LeoNTP/all-LeoNTP-servers.php#2d
2018-07-15T04:13:57 < dongs> wtf
2018-07-15T04:14:03 < Sadale> wow.
2018-07-15T04:14:10 < Laurenceb____> wew Arko is on twitter too
2018-07-15T04:14:10 < Sadale> That site looks cool.
2018-07-15T04:14:17 < Laurenceb____> all the irc greats have moved
2018-07-15T04:14:26 < Sadale> What's your traffic? Why do you need so many servers?
2018-07-15T04:14:35 < dongs> wut
2018-07-15T04:14:36 < Sadale> nvm.
2018-07-15T04:14:38 < dongs> its NTP you shithead
2018-07-15T04:14:43 < dongs> and its not his site
2018-07-15T04:14:46 < Thorn> >unterminated
2018-07-15T04:14:53 < Thorn> what about 22Ω series
2018-07-15T04:14:55 < Sadale> oh. I see.
2018-07-15T04:15:00 < Thorn> that aren't in his model
2018-07-15T04:15:14  * Sadale is feeling retarded.
2018-07-15T04:15:31 < Sadale> I guess that's what happen when I wake up without having a coffee :P
2018-07-15T04:16:27  * Laurenceb____ zzz
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2018-07-15T13:45:18 < stvn> i miss the stroopwafel king
2018-07-15T13:53:41 < jpa-> i guess the stackexchange dude succeeded after all
2018-07-15T13:59:05 < stvn> eh?
2018-07-15T14:06:25 < Steffanx> I dont miss him
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2018-07-15T14:29:58 < vampi-the-frog> I'm just not sure how valuable some skills are today
2018-07-15T14:30:02 < vampi-the-frog> like making your own PCBs
2018-07-15T14:30:18 < vampi-the-frog> or, for example, for neural networks, is it even worth it to buy a PC with a bunch of nVidia cards?
2018-07-15T14:30:24 < vampi-the-frog> you can just rent it in the cloud nowadays
2018-07-15T14:30:36 < vampi-the-frog> like, some stuff isn't even worth it financially
2018-07-15T14:31:25 < vampi-the-frog> how much time and money would I save by having my own pcb lab, which requires a lot of care, lots of chemicals, a bench drill, maybe a bench router
2018-07-15T14:31:32 < vampi-the-frog> materials, the UV exposure
2018-07-15T14:31:50 < vampi-the-frog> much cleaner to order them, and accept the turnaround time
2018-07-15T14:32:52 < BrainDamage> 10 years ago, there was no cheap enough alternative
2018-07-15T14:32:58 < jadew> vampi-the-frog, is this an older convo?
2018-07-15T14:33:15 < jadew> yeah, there are still things that are worth to do by yourself
2018-07-15T14:33:39 < jadew> depends on the product and the brand
2018-07-15T14:33:39 < Steffanx> Doing pcb isnt one of them :P
2018-07-15T14:33:46 < Steffanx> At least for most people it isnt
2018-07-15T14:33:53 < jadew> yeah, the PCB isn't worth it
2018-07-15T14:34:25 < jadew> for example, you wouldn't outsource the design of something important for your company
2018-07-15T14:35:04 < jadew> in the end, everything can be a service
2018-07-15T14:35:15 < Steffanx> Sure you would. As a hobbist you wouldnt
2018-07-15T14:35:19 < Steffanx> Probably
2018-07-15T14:35:35 < jadew> even as a company, you might not want to do that
2018-07-15T14:35:49 < jadew> depends on how much you care about your image
2018-07-15T14:36:24 < Steffanx> Why? No one has to know you outsourced it..
2018-07-15T14:36:44 < jadew> I guess it depends
2018-07-15T14:36:55 < jadew> it could be something that only a handful of people can do, in which case you should hire them
2018-07-15T14:37:33 < vampi-the-frog> nah PCB design might be fun
2018-07-15T14:37:45 < vampi-the-frog> you could outsource to trusted people though
2018-07-15T14:38:04 < vampi-the-frog> I always find graphical stuff fun
2018-07-15T14:38:21 < BrainDamage> it's not the image, it's the amount of control that you need vs the complexity, large organizations usually have hyper-complex hierarchies so they try to outsource everything, it's more efficient too, but it's more risky because you're now more dependent from third parties, fortunately, if you're large enough you can have multiple suppliers, stockpiles, etc to reduce the risk
2018-07-15T14:38:24 < jadew> yeah, but we were talking about what's worth it
2018-07-15T14:38:40 < jadew> the idea being that outsourceing that particular thing, would be cheaper
2018-07-15T14:39:09 < jadew> I think the design itself, shouldn't be outsourced in that case (when it's cheaper than doing it in house)
2018-07-15T14:39:11 < BrainDamage> it's not just the cost per se, there's also the burden of maintaining the internal infra for it
2018-07-15T14:39:15 < jadew> because it indicates lower quality
2018-07-15T14:39:37 < vampi-the-frog> anyway
2018-07-15T14:39:45 < vampi-the-frog> I'm trying to add recording to a mixer I have
2018-07-15T14:40:05 < vampi-the-frog> https://m.musictri.be/Categories/Behringer/Mixers/Rackmount/RX1602/p/P0206
2018-07-15T14:41:01 < vampi-the-frog> hekster.org/Personal/Music/Behringer%20RX1602.pdf
2018-07-15T14:41:34 < vampi-the-frog> it's annoying that the monitor bus is mono
2018-07-15T14:42:04 < vampi-the-frog> but I was thinking of tapping right before the mute switch
2018-07-15T14:42:23 < vampi-the-frog> and then having a digital potentiometer do separate volume control for me
2018-07-15T14:42:39 < vampi-the-frog> then a stereo ADC, and tie 8 of those into an F4
2018-07-15T14:43:17 < vampi-the-frog> and I found some digital potentiometers, but strangely enough they go from -5 to 5 V, it seems
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2018-07-15T14:49:23 < vampi-the-frog> X9C103
2018-07-15T14:50:12 < vampi-the-frog> oh and it has non-volatile memory, interesting
2018-07-15T14:50:15 < vampi-the-frog> it remembers its position
2018-07-15T14:50:41 < vampi-the-frog> I don't understand why it limits to ±5V
2018-07-15T14:51:40 < vampi-the-frog> I think the mixer is powered from ±12V
2018-07-15T14:55:46 < vampi-the-frog> or I could tap after the LEVEL pots and make it simpler
2018-07-15T15:10:38 < vampi-the-frog> this is interesting it has a STM8 on it https://www.aliexpress.com/item/X9C103S-Digital-Potentiometer-Board-Module-DC-3-5V-10K-Full-Range-Potentiometer-for-Arduino/32820667310.html
2018-07-15T15:10:54 < vampi-the-frog> I think it just reads bytes on serial and then sets the digital pot to that value
2018-07-15T15:11:24 < vampi-the-frog> but I like STM8's, it's like Z80 with peripherals and RAM and ROM, in a small package :P
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2018-07-15T16:08:08 < dongs> wait waht
2018-07-15T16:08:14 < dongs> since when does keil support stm8
2018-07-15T16:20:47 < Steffanx> since never?
2018-07-15T16:20:59 < dongs> 7.Digital potentiometer module is attached with testing program,the the program code is C Language code.The code includes the header file of main function,display subfunction,key subfunction,users can adopt KEIL4 to open source code to test and study
2018-07-15T16:26:24 < Steffanx> perhaps on the master/controller side.
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2018-07-15T18:08:33 < vampi-the-frog> well that's dumb anyway, you can use the digital potentiometer with your mcu directly
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2018-07-15T18:32:12 < vampi-the-frog> although it is interesting that you can have a mcu just for doing one task, they're so cheap that you can have multiple ones
2018-07-15T18:32:27 < vampi-the-frog> and then some central mcu doing the data gathering or whatever
2018-07-15T18:38:54 < Lux> still 3$ more for a 50c mcu and a few lines of code
2018-07-15T18:39:18 < Lux> or save the digipot all together and do a dac with pwm + filtering
2018-07-15T18:39:37 < vampi-the-frog> well I'm trying to control analog volume in this case
2018-07-15T18:39:43 < vampi-the-frog> before it enters the ADC
2018-07-15T18:44:41 < Lux> use a voltage controlled amplifier then
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2018-07-15T19:13:39 < jadew> is it normal for kapton tape to release smoke when heated the first time?
2018-07-15T19:13:57 < Cracki> maybe it's the glue
2018-07-15T19:14:02 < Cracki> or some coating
2018-07-15T19:14:07 < jadew> that's what I thought, just making sure
2018-07-15T19:14:24 < Cracki> don't rely on me, I haven't smoked any kapton yet
2018-07-15T19:18:29 < Cracki> ugh these croats need to pay attention
2018-07-15T19:18:35 < Thorn> Croatia rekt
2018-07-15T19:19:09 < Laurenceb____> blacked.com
2018-07-15T19:19:24 < Cracki> if they lose, we'll hear "diversity wins" for the next 4 years
2018-07-15T19:19:47 < Cracki> well, they wouldn't have lost against *france*
2018-07-15T19:24:01 < Cracki> how did the croats manage to get into the final match?!
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2018-07-15T19:24:17 < Cracki> did someone tell them to suck?
2018-07-15T19:26:11 < Laurenceb____> wut??
2018-07-15T19:27:42 < Cracki> finally 4:2
2018-07-15T19:27:45 < Cracki> sportsball ;)
2018-07-15T19:28:09 < Cracki> I think they're scared of too much diversity in front of the french goal
2018-07-15T19:28:16 < Cracki> when there is none, they score
2018-07-15T19:30:19 < vampi-the-frog> I wouldn't know what to search for for a VCA
2018-07-15T19:30:35 < vampi-the-frog> I know there's a special opamp that you use when making a VCA
2018-07-15T19:30:50 < vampi-the-frog> but it would make it a lot easier if it was available as a PCB for prototypin
2018-07-15T19:30:53 < Laurenceb____> wew how many goals
2018-07-15T19:31:43 < Cracki> croats owned themselves once
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2018-07-15T21:12:59 < englishman> Hello innovators
2018-07-15T21:15:42 < Steffanx> Welcome back englishman
2018-07-15T21:16:02 < Steffanx> How was the ocean?
2018-07-15T21:22:59 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/HNK5lzx.jpg
2018-07-15T21:23:03 < englishman> still cool
2018-07-15T21:23:07 < englishman> going surfing today
2018-07-15T21:23:35 < englishman> the redwoods were intense
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2018-07-15T21:25:41 < Steffanx> For some reason (based on the orientaton you took the pic) i expected this to be the canadian east coast. but .. that reason was invalid.
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2018-07-15T21:39:12 < stvn> lol
2018-07-15T21:39:24 < stvn> BILLIONAIRE Elon Musk has unloaded on a British diver who played a crucial role in the Thai rescue, calling him a “pedo”.
2018-07-15T21:39:31 < stvn> called it
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2018-07-15T21:51:06 < Steffanx> No need for fake news in the ##stm32 stvn
2018-07-15T21:52:12 < Steffanx> jadew re that conversation you had about word/no word for some documentation: http://www.usb.org/developers/hidpage/HID1_11.pdf
2018-07-15T21:54:02 < stvn> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1018497953051258880
2018-07-15T21:54:12 < stvn> yeah its fake
2018-07-15T21:54:46 < stvn> the autistic temper tantrum and his submarine
2018-07-15T21:56:16 < Steffanx> hah ok stvn
2018-07-15T21:57:55 < englishman> Kurt Ecchi-nwald (@Captcommando) Tweeted:
2018-07-15T21:57:56 < englishman> @elonmusk @zeynep  https://t.co/bTd0Pao46K https://twitter.com/Captcommando/status/1018536658243870720?s=17
2018-07-15T21:57:59 < englishman> Lol
2018-07-15T21:58:28 < englishman> This is good for $TSLA
2018-07-15T21:58:35 < stvn> lolllllllllllll
2018-07-15T22:06:17 < jadew> Steffanx, what about that pdf? is that an example of latex?
2018-07-15T22:06:32 < Steffanx> Check the document name/title
2018-07-15T22:06:43 < jadew> ah, hehe
2018-07-15T22:08:18 < jadew> I have a different issue now, I got a new oven (same as the old one) and decided to insulate it with aluminium foil
2018-07-15T22:09:06 < jadew> problem is I don't have a controller yet and it now heats up in 2 minutes and quickly overshoots
2018-07-15T22:09:57 < jadew> because of the insulation, the thermostat gets warm way slower, so it's useless
2018-07-15T22:10:29 < jadew> until I get some SSRs and a couple of temperature sensors, I have to figure out how to one shot the reflow temperature
2018-07-15T22:14:30 < Steffanx> just ebay some cheap sensors
2018-07-15T22:14:39 < jadew> I did, 40 days
2018-07-15T22:14:49 < Steffanx> I gont some china SSRs, but .. im not so sure about em
2018-07-15T22:14:56 < Steffanx> never used them :P
2018-07-15T22:14:59 < jadew> I ordered some of those too
2018-07-15T22:15:34 < jadew> big clive did a teardown and said they're okish
2018-07-15T22:15:38 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxEhxjvifyY
2018-07-15T22:15:39 < englishman> holy shit are you still fucking around with that
2018-07-15T22:15:55 < englishman> clearly not interested in innovating
2018-07-15T22:16:16 < jadew> englishman, I am interested, but wth can I do over the weekend with no way of reflowing my boards?
2018-07-15T22:16:31 < englishman> order a t962 with overnight
2018-07-15T22:16:45 < englishman> and wash cars or something to pay for it
2018-07-15T22:17:25 < Steffanx> such hate englishman. 
2018-07-15T22:17:36 < jadew> I'll make a controller instead
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2018-07-15T22:17:57 < jadew> I can still use it with regular relays, it will just be annoying
2018-07-15T22:18:24 < jadew> and I'm sure I'll be able to find a sensor locally
2018-07-15T22:18:45 < Steffanx> Why annyoing? Stuff is slow as hell anyway.
2018-07-15T22:19:04 < jadew> Steffanx, I don't want to keep it running at full power when heating up
2018-07-15T22:19:15 < jadew> I don't want the elements to get red
2018-07-15T22:20:06 < englishman> then you pwm them
2018-07-15T22:20:13 < englishman> with like 0.5Hz
2018-07-15T22:20:14 < jadew> so I plan to slow PWM it, with maybe a 5 - 10 seconds cycle (with the mechanical relay)
2018-07-15T22:20:22 < englishman> If you ever finish this project:
2018-07-15T22:20:39 < englishman> 1) it will be more expensive than t962 or even controlleo
2018-07-15T22:20:47 < englishman> 2) it will not be as good as either
2018-07-15T22:20:49 < vampi-the-frog> the fuck is this shit?
2018-07-15T22:20:50 < vampi-the-frog> http://img.vampi.tech/6897249d.png
2018-07-15T22:21:00 < englishman> 3) you will have delayed "innovations" by weeks
2018-07-15T22:21:21 < jadew> englishman, I plan to have this working tomorrow
2018-07-15T22:21:28 < jadew> it will be weeks until I get the SSRs tho
2018-07-15T22:21:48 < jadew> but regular relays will do for now
2018-07-15T22:21:53 < stvn> I call this optimism “musking”
2018-07-15T22:22:24 < Steffanx> I read bad stories about the t962 too englishman
2018-07-15T22:22:28 < stvn> Vamps looks like an OTA
2018-07-15T22:22:29 < Steffanx> like the awful smell
2018-07-15T22:22:32 < Steffanx> because cheap tape used
2018-07-15T22:22:43 < jadew> yeah, that's the only reason I didn't get it
2018-07-15T22:22:47 < englishman> And you think Romanian clone will be better?
2018-07-15T22:22:52 < Steffanx> Sure
2018-07-15T22:22:53 < Steffanx> because no tape.
2018-07-15T22:22:59 < vampi-the-frog> One Time Asshole?
2018-07-15T22:23:04 < jadew> because of the cheap tape you have to get it and replace it
2018-07-15T22:23:11 < stvn> Or some type of current mirror
2018-07-15T22:23:17 < jadew> and if you get in, you have to get in contact with whatever they're using as insulation there
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2018-07-15T22:23:21 < stvn> Zoom out a bit
2018-07-15T22:23:24 < vampi-the-frog> yeah
2018-07-15T22:23:29 < jadew> and the rummor is that it's asbestos
2018-07-15T22:23:31 < vampi-the-frog> I was worried but it seems to be inside the IC
2018-07-15T22:23:48 < jadew> *get in
2018-07-15T22:23:49 < vampi-the-frog> http://img.vampi.tech/62b030c5.png
2018-07-15T22:23:53 < vampi-the-frog> it's a VCA
2018-07-15T22:24:15 < stvn> OTA with linearizing diodes
2018-07-15T22:24:25 < Steffanx> i dont do rumors jadew
2018-07-15T22:24:26 < stvn> Can be used as a VCA all day long
2018-07-15T22:24:34 < vampi-the-frog> I love it
2018-07-15T22:24:42 < vampi-the-frog> the IC has two of them too
2018-07-15T22:24:44 < jadew> Steffanx, well, someone contacted them and they said "nobody died from asbestos"
2018-07-15T22:27:36 < jadew> Steffanx, I've linked this before, but this is what put me off: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/best-853a-is-this-asbestos-inside/msg57405/#msg57405
2018-07-15T22:32:37 < Steffanx> meh, its perhaps concerning, but its still a single mention of it jadew
2018-07-15T22:33:13 < jadew> Steffanx, found another one on a youtube video, someone tried to burn it and it didn't melt
2018-07-15T22:33:36 < jadew> apparently that's some sort of test
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2018-07-15T22:34:23 < Steffanx> some sort of test = a non conclusive test :P
2018-07-15T22:34:48 < jadew> well, it was conclusive in one regard, it's not glass wool
2018-07-15T22:36:13 < Steffanx> Well see, if englishman dies of lung cancer it was asbestos
2018-07-15T22:36:28 < Steffanx> unless englishman is a heavy smoker
2018-07-15T22:36:46 < englishman> wut
2018-07-15T22:36:47 < jadew> I don't think it's super dangerous, but why risk it?
2018-07-15T22:36:51 < englishman> I have a t960
2018-07-15T22:36:53 < jadew> "So I ordered a T962 and as a quick test put the insulation material under a mapp torch and it glows white hot and doesn't flinch (compared to a known sample of fiberglass which melts pretty quickly). Not necessarily proof that it's asbestos by any means but not at all comforting, again. Now to decide what to do with this thing..."
2018-07-15T22:37:01 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et5BhSMlLqg
2018-07-15T22:37:10 < jadew> first comment thread there talks about this
2018-07-15T22:37:11 < englishman> and, asbestos is only deadly if you dick with it
2018-07-15T22:37:33 < jadew> englishman, yeah, but the thing is with this oven you have to dick with it
2018-07-15T22:37:59 < jadew> and I don't think I have one piece of equipment or appliance I haven't dicked with anyway
2018-07-15T22:38:00 < karlp> englishman: and as long as everyone knows it _is_ asbestos, so they don't mess with it later without knowing...
2018-07-15T22:38:51 < englishman> how about, don't light insulation on fire, just let it insulate
2018-07-15T22:42:35 < Steffanx> but yeah, i get your point jadew. Better safe then sorry
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2018-07-15T22:47:09 < jpa-> asbestos wool sounds scary indeed, considering how glass wool tends to get the fibers everywhere even with light handling
2018-07-15T22:47:33 < vampi-the-frog> just use polystyrene
2018-07-15T22:47:45 < BrainDamage> the most concerning part is that the asbestos is exposed, rather than sealed
2018-07-15T22:47:55 < jpa-> yeah
2018-07-15T22:47:56 < BrainDamage> if it was in some sealed recess, it'd be ok
2018-07-15T22:48:02 < BrainDamage> but it's straight under a grid
2018-07-15T22:48:13 < jpa-> or inside a ceramic panel
2018-07-15T22:48:21 < Steffanx> Anyway, only way to know is to get it tested.
2018-07-15T22:48:44 < jadew> yeah, haven't read about anyone doing that
2018-07-15T22:49:11 < vampi-the-frog> cna't you use prefabricated sealed panels?
2018-07-15T22:49:43 < jadew> for insulation?
2018-07-15T22:50:14 < vampi-the-frog> sure
2018-07-15T22:50:37 < Steffanx> vampi-the-frog, but this is a premade product. which you buy on ebay/whatever china shop.
2018-07-15T22:50:47 < vampi-the-frog> you're a premade product
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2018-07-15T22:51:31 < jpa-> Steffanx: you didn't follow the proper frog disposal procedure
2018-07-15T22:51:45 < Steffanx> I wont kiss him jpa-.
2018-07-15T22:51:53 < Cracki> slowly cook
2018-07-15T22:52:00 < BrainDamage> You pack them with salt and send them to france?
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2018-07-15T22:52:13 < jadew> I thought he meant straw up the ass, blow it up and then set it off on the lake
2018-07-15T23:01:11 < stvn> O,o
2018-07-15T23:09:35 < antto> i wonder why i haven't been kicked yet
2018-07-15T23:14:16 < Cracki> the will of the gods is unfathomable
2018-07-15T23:20:29 < Steffanx>  dont pros have auto rejoined enabled?
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2018-07-15T23:24:40 < bitmask> boobies
2018-07-15T23:25:18 < antto> wut material do the chinese make these (usually single-layer) pcbs?
2018-07-15T23:25:27 < bitmask> boobies
2018-07-15T23:25:32 < antto> it's quite yellow in the middle
2018-07-15T23:25:32 < bitmask> duh
2018-07-15T23:25:37 < bitmask> asian boobies
2018-07-15T23:25:37 < zyp> phenolic paper?
2018-07-15T23:26:22 < antto> i tried to desolder a LED from a mouse.. i f*cked up both pads
2018-07-15T23:26:32 < bitmask> fr4
2018-07-15T23:26:49 < antto> but i tought fr4 is almost colorless
2018-07-15T23:27:14 < antto> oh wait, i have a hypothesis
2018-07-15T23:27:18 < bitmask> I just watched a video yesterday of that jlpcb or whatever tour and he said it was fr4 and it happened to be yellow
2018-07-15T23:27:25 < antto> could it be made from badly-cooked rice?
2018-07-15T23:27:50 < bitmask> mexican rice
2018-07-15T23:27:56 < antto> hm
2018-07-15T23:28:02 < zyp> fr4 is glass fiber, it won't have the opaque look of phenolic paper
2018-07-15T23:28:13 < antto> maybe it's fr4 before you bleach it to make it colorless ;P~
2018-07-15T23:29:01 < Cracki> autorejoin is risky. some ops don't like it.
2018-07-15T23:29:23 < bitmask> I keep autorejoin on kick on but I learned to turn off auto connect on disconnect
2018-07-15T23:29:47 < bitmask> when having internet issues it really pisses people off :)
2018-07-15T23:30:04 < antto> i don't get kicked often, and muh internetz is fiburrr
2018-07-15T23:30:07 < zyp> have you tried not having internet issues?
2018-07-15T23:30:30 < bitmask> I don't usually but once a while my router acts funky and needs a reboot
2018-07-15T23:30:59 < antto> mine doesn't do that sorta sh*t
2018-07-15T23:31:02 < bitmask> I never get kicked but I may start to change that
2018-07-15T23:31:11 < antto> ooh ;P~
2018-07-15T23:31:36 < bitmask> time to go ham
2018-07-15T23:31:43 < jadew> is truestudio what everyone is using these days?
2018-07-15T23:31:45 < bitmask> whatever that means
2018-07-15T23:31:48 < bitmask> I am
2018-07-15T23:31:52 < bitmask> steffan got me to switch
2018-07-15T23:32:01 < jadew> from what?
2018-07-15T23:32:05 < bitmask> keil
2018-07-15T23:32:08 < Steffanx> lol, i just told you it existed.
2018-07-15T23:32:13 < bitmask> well it worked :)
2018-07-15T23:32:22 < jadew> is it fully free?
2018-07-15T23:32:26 < bitmask> i believe so
2018-07-15T23:32:34 < antto> ah, stfn is the head of the anti-keil sect
2018-07-15T23:32:50 < antto> witchcraft.gif
2018-07-15T23:32:57 < bitmask> i never really liked keil, I actually like cooCOCKS better
2018-07-15T23:33:24 < bitmask> which is what i used before
2018-07-15T23:33:31 < antto> that sounds a bit NSFW
2018-07-15T23:33:48 < bitmask> coocox coide, its just eclipse
2018-07-15T23:34:05 < bitmask> very buggy but I like eclipse's autocomplete
2018-07-15T23:34:06 < jadew> I used to use visualgdb until recently
2018-07-15T23:34:22 < jadew> but they decided to remove the device support packages for my version of visualgdb
2018-07-15T23:34:31 < jadew> so now I can't even use it with my older projects
2018-07-15T23:34:48 < jadew> I have to get a new license to get access to the new device support packages
2018-07-15T23:34:58 < bitmask> I have 14 pages to write today, never gonna happen
2018-07-15T23:35:15 < bitmask> so far behind and midterms are next week
2018-07-15T23:35:23 < antto> write it vertically
2018-07-15T23:35:24 < Steffanx> Your day isnt over
2018-07-15T23:35:29 < Steffanx> Yet
2018-07-15T23:35:30 < jadew> Steffanx, what do you use?
2018-07-15T23:35:33 < jadew> TrueStudio?
2018-07-15T23:35:42 < Steffanx> Sometimes
2018-07-15T23:35:56 < Steffanx> Works for me.
2018-07-15T23:36:12 < antto> i wanted to use my IDE of choice..
2018-07-15T23:36:26 < bitmask> whats that other pay one like keil
2018-07-15T23:36:34 < jadew> that's why I went for visualgdb
2018-07-15T23:36:43 < bitmask> oh iar? that still around?
2018-07-15T23:36:46 < jadew> but I guess that was just a waste of money
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2018-07-15T23:38:57 < antto> oh, wikipedia says phenolic paper is usually brown in color
2018-07-15T23:39:19 < antto> is that the kind of "board" that's used in some potentiometers and switches?
2018-07-15T23:39:21 < bitmask> I found a torrent for the solutions manual for my AI book :)
2018-07-15T23:39:42 < antto> that starts to stink like "smoked electronics" after you get it heated
2018-07-15T23:39:51 < zyp> antto, yes
2018-07-15T23:39:54 < antto> aww
2018-07-15T23:40:07 < zyp> yellow/brown is a gradual scale really
2018-07-15T23:40:52 < antto> i got these 2-position switches that have like 8 pins or so, metalic chasis, and inside there's a dark brown PCB
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2018-07-15T23:41:13 < antto> once i soldered these, they started smelling
2018-07-15T23:41:22 < antto> it doesn't go away
2018-07-15T23:41:49 < jadew> I have some cheap proto boards that smell bad too
2018-07-15T23:41:56 < antto> every time i open up that thing (a drum machine) it smells like something bad happened inside it
2018-07-15T23:41:57 < jadew> when I open that box I have to let it vent for a while
2018-07-15T23:42:44 < antto> also, there are theze electromagnetic buzzers we use at work, they have a small board inside - same story
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2018-07-15T23:46:01 < bitmask> piezo?
2018-07-15T23:46:52 < Laurenceb____> holy shit wow
2018-07-15T23:47:05 < Laurenceb____> Mr Musk just called the britbong cave rescuer a pedo
2018-07-15T23:47:09 < Laurenceb____> my sides
2018-07-15T23:47:09 < antto> bitmask no, electromagnetic buzzer
2018-07-15T23:48:06 < bitmask> oh I didnt read that correctly hah
2018-07-15T23:48:10 < antto> pb1221pq or something like that
2018-07-15T23:51:09 < karlp> Laurenceb____: when that came up earlier it was said to be faked?
2018-07-15T23:51:21 < Laurenceb____> oh
2018-07-15T23:51:24 < Laurenceb____> lulzy anyway
2018-07-15T23:51:31 < Cracki> how woudl that be faked
2018-07-15T23:51:37 < Cracki> it seems to have been his account
2018-07-15T23:51:38 < Laurenceb____> its on gawker
2018-07-15T23:51:41 < Laurenceb____> so it must be true...
2018-07-15T23:51:46 < Cracki> so either typo or hacked acc
2018-07-15T23:51:49 < Cracki> or he meant it
2018-07-15T23:51:54 < Laurenceb____> sources are gawker and 4/pol/
2018-07-15T23:51:57 < Laurenceb____> looks legit
2018-07-15T23:52:03 < Laurenceb____> and buzzfeed
2018-07-15T23:52:03 < Cracki> the account he talked to seems to be some random
2018-07-15T23:52:04 < Steffanx> sources are his own twitter account. 
2018-07-15T23:52:06 < Steffanx> cant be more legit.
2018-07-15T23:52:40 < Steffanx> oh its gone.
2018-07-15T23:52:41 < Laurenceb____> kek when u google and get this list of hits
2018-07-15T23:52:42 < Steffanx> oh noes.
2018-07-15T23:52:52 < Cracki> tweet is now deleted
2018-07-15T23:53:03 < Steffanx> haha
2018-07-15T23:53:08 < Laurenceb____> fake news
2018-07-15T23:53:16 < antto> maybe he misspelled "pedro" ?
2018-07-15T23:53:26 < Cracki> https://archive.fo/https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1018497953051258880
2018-07-15T23:53:28 < Laurenceb____> >leave tweet up long enough for the troll sites to find it
2018-07-15T23:53:32 < Laurenceb____> >delete
2018-07-15T23:53:35 < Cracki> kek
2018-07-15T23:53:36 < Laurenceb____> >twas fake news
2018-07-15T23:54:11 < Cracki> >https://twitter.com/zeynep
2018-07-15T23:54:14 < Cracki> >nytimes writer
2018-07-15T23:54:27 < Cracki> I'm ok with elon calling him anything.
2018-07-15T23:55:06 < Cracki> oh, seems to be a woman?
2018-07-15T23:55:18 < stvn> i knew elon was gonna sperg out about his submarine rejection
2018-07-15T23:55:59 < stvn> i mean it was the most feasible plan he's had since 'making electric cars'
2018-07-15T23:56:04 < Laurenceb____> I actually think his sub was practical
2018-07-15T23:56:25 < Laurenceb____> but they should have added hoops that went round the guide rope
2018-07-15T23:56:42 < stvn> well it'll work 100 years b4 the hyperloop!
2018-07-15T23:57:13 < jadew> for what it's worth, I saw the cave the other day and I think the best option would have been to give them all scuba suits
2018-07-15T23:57:43 < stvn> usually the best option is carried out....
2018-07-15T23:58:18 < jadew> I don't know how they got out
2018-07-15T23:58:23 < jadew> did they wait the rain out?
2018-07-15T23:58:34 < stvn> scuba diving....
2018-07-15T23:58:36 < stvn> lol
2018-07-15T23:58:45 < jadew> really?
2018-07-15T23:58:50 < stvn> hard to believe right!
2018-07-15T23:59:19 < Cracki> according to some infographics[tm], there are ~0.4m choke points
2018-07-15T23:59:48 < Cracki> scuba gear is/was the plan, but for those spots, the kids would have to take the bottles off their backs
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2018-07-16T00:00:13 < stvn> yeah it was scary and very difficult
2018-07-16T00:00:28 < Cracki> the rain filled the caves, but there were pumps to keep the caves from completely flooding, and even to reduce the water level
2018-07-16T00:00:35 < stvn> that's why experienced professionals got to works
2018-07-16T00:00:50 < Cracki> right. these guys taught the kids scuba
2018-07-16T00:01:13 < stvn> not some bullshit hawker with a sub made out of rocket parts
2018-07-16T00:01:37 < jadew> btw, when I said I saw the cave
2018-07-16T00:01:42 < jadew> I mean "The Cave" - the movie
2018-07-16T00:01:49 < Cracki> is it about a woman?
2018-07-16T00:01:55 < stvn> reminded me of an ex girlfriend that cave
2018-07-16T00:01:57 < jadew> not that kind of cave
2018-07-16T00:02:06 < jadew> it's a cave with a lot of water
2018-07-16T00:02:13 < jadew> and the guys exploring it had scuba gear
2018-07-16T00:02:17 < Cracki> so different hole
2018-07-16T00:02:20 < Laurenceb____> so ur mum
2018-07-16T00:02:22 < jadew> yep
2018-07-16T00:02:27 < Cracki> water sports are funny
2018-07-16T00:19:57 < Laurenceb____> https://imgoat.com/uploads/def184ad8f/124275.png
2018-07-16T00:20:00 < Laurenceb____> ontopic
2018-07-16T00:20:09 < bitmask> woo, I gets monies tomorrow
2018-07-16T00:20:13 < bitmask> what to buy
2018-07-16T00:20:43 < Cracki> if that's a real kickstarter, I'd pledge
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2018-07-16T00:21:40 < Cracki> powernap
2018-07-16T00:21:43 < bitmask> real quick
2018-07-16T00:21:51 < bitmask> thats how the pros do it
2018-07-16T00:22:06 < Steffanx> In reality you just closed your macbook.
2018-07-16T00:22:10 < bitmask> :)
2018-07-16T00:22:22 < bitmask> cleaning dust out
2018-07-16T00:23:25 < bitmask> time to do work
2018-07-16T00:23:53 < stvn> bitmask should buy a stm32 disco board
2018-07-16T00:24:03 < karlp> paypal has decided I haven't logged in enough, so they've reset my password for me.
2018-07-16T00:24:05 < karlp> thanks cunts.
2018-07-16T00:24:08 < bitmask> which one
2018-07-16T00:24:11 < Cracki> haha the french are celebrating their victory by looting and rioting
2018-07-16T00:24:20 < stvn> bitmask: the one you want of course
2018-07-16T00:24:37 < bitmask> ive been using a f4 disco for my plotter, maybe I'll try an f7
2018-07-16T00:24:40 < stvn> i think the stm32f429 
2018-07-16T00:24:50 < Cracki> there are not the passwords you are looking for
2018-07-16T00:24:53 < stvn> with the LCD, i like that
2018-07-16T00:24:53 < Cracki> *these
2018-07-16T00:24:54 < bitmask> is that the one with the screen?
2018-07-16T00:24:57 < bitmask> yea
2018-07-16T00:25:00 < stvn> but hey why not f7
2018-07-16T00:25:10 < bitmask> 407 is the one I have
2018-07-16T00:25:16 < stvn> that was a good board too
2018-07-16T00:25:19 < Cracki> moar crunch for what?
2018-07-16T00:25:37 < Steffanx> Just go for H7 then, bitmask
2018-07-16T00:25:49 < bitmask> whats h7
2018-07-16T00:25:54 < Steffanx> F7++
2018-07-16T00:25:58 < bitmask> I see
2018-07-16T00:26:27 < Cracki> https://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers/stm32h7-series.html?querycriteria=productId=SS1951
2018-07-16T00:27:15 < Cracki> sounds like the last step before going to cortex-a
2018-07-16T00:27:30 < Cracki> >MDMA
2018-07-16T00:27:31 < Cracki> lel
2018-07-16T00:27:35 < bitmask> I have this fpga+arm board that I never really played with
2018-07-16T00:27:38 < stvn> gah 2019
2018-07-16T00:27:39 < Steffanx> Yeah, wonder when they go for A5.
2018-07-16T00:27:40 < bitmask> the de0-nano-soc
2018-07-16T00:27:43 < stvn> ill be dead by then
2018-07-16T00:28:33 < stvn> 'advanced line'
2018-07-16T00:28:35 < Cracki> that ram sounds frankensteinish
2018-07-16T00:28:36 < bitmask> is the f4 m4 or m3
2018-07-16T00:28:37 < karlp> there's a cortex-a board with dts files in linux 4.17 (stm32mp7 something
2018-07-16T00:28:42 < stvn> m4 iirc
2018-07-16T00:28:44 < bitmask> is it the f3 thats m4?
2018-07-16T00:28:46 < Cracki> f4+f4 is M4 core
2018-07-16T00:28:50 < stvn> f1 is m3
2018-07-16T00:29:04 < Cracki> iirc M4F even
2018-07-16T00:29:05 < bitmask> there was one that was confusing, forget which
2018-07-16T00:29:24 < stvn> crezzy
2018-07-16T00:29:25 < bitmask> yea f3 is m4
2018-07-16T00:29:35 < Cracki> their lineup: https://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers/stm32-32-bit-arm-cortex-mcus.html
2018-07-16T00:29:36 < bitmask> I guess that was it
2018-07-16T00:29:42 < Steffanx> Next step is something dual core, Cracki.
2018-07-16T00:29:47 < Cracki> ah
2018-07-16T00:29:57 < Steffanx> H7 + M0+ or someting.
2018-07-16T00:30:02 < Steffanx> wouldnt be too bad either
2018-07-16T00:31:00 < bitmask> how is the wireless wb thing it lists
2018-07-16T00:31:12 < Steffanx> The only dual core stm32 now is the STM32WB (which isnt even available yet), where the 2nd core is for the radio stuff.
2018-07-16T00:32:14 < bitmask> they need to step their game up
2018-07-16T00:33:33 < bitmask> wb is only ble I see
2018-07-16T00:34:59 < bitmask> fuck school, im gonna shower and keep procrastinating
2018-07-16T00:35:02 < Steffanx> its more than that. 802.15.4 is also zigbee and stuff.
2018-07-16T00:35:18 < bitmask> wtf is zigbee
2018-07-16T00:35:19 < Cracki> take some tissues for that procrastinating
2018-07-16T00:35:26 < bitmask> lotion too
2018-07-16T00:35:27 < Cracki> zigbee is industrial radio stuff
2018-07-16T00:35:33 < Cracki> 802.15.4 or something
2018-07-16T00:35:45 < bitmask> is it related to that xbee wireless stuff or is that just wifi
2018-07-16T00:35:49 < Cracki> iirc zigbee is a commercialized superset of .15.4
2018-07-16T00:35:58 < Cracki> it's all something-bee
2018-07-16T00:36:08 < Cracki> none of that is wifi (802.11)
2018-07-16T00:36:29 < bitmask> I see, I always thought xbee was wifi
2018-07-16T00:36:48 < Cracki> nope. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XBee
2018-07-16T00:36:49 < Steffanx> isnt xbee a module brand?
2018-07-16T00:36:59 < bitmask> thats what I thought
2018-07-16T00:37:02 < zyp> yes
2018-07-16T00:37:03 < bitmask> is it related?
2018-07-16T00:37:09 < Cracki> all related
2018-07-16T00:37:18 < Steffanx> i wouldnt be surprised if it all started with zigbee, hence the bee
2018-07-16T00:37:23 < Cracki> >Zigbee is an IEEE 802.15.4-based specification
2018-07-16T00:37:26 < zyp> xbee is a brand, zigbee is a standard, zigbee is built on top of 802.15.4
2018-07-16T00:37:33 < bitmask> ok
2018-07-16T00:38:33 < karlp> (and the xbee footprint is now a "standard" for rf modules in some circles too)
2018-07-16T00:38:59 < karlp> now, what else do I need from ali?
2018-07-16T00:39:11 < Steffanx> need or want?
2018-07-16T00:39:13 < zyp> I believe 802.15.4 covers L2, i.e. framing and low-level addressing
2018-07-16T00:39:52 < zyp> and then zigbee is one of the higher layer protocols that implements routing and device classes and stuff on top of that
2018-07-16T00:40:00 < Cracki> sounds sensible
2018-07-16T00:41:36 < zyp> that reminds me, I have those 802.15.4 modules somebody talked me into getting a few weeks ago
2018-07-16T00:41:42 < zyp> should play around with them some day
2018-07-16T00:41:52 < Steffanx> what modules?
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2018-07-16T00:53:08  * karlp was looking at https://www.cnx-software.com/2018/07/05/nrf52840-usb-dongle-bluetooth-5-thread-zigbee-802-15-4-ant/
2018-07-16T00:53:13 < karlp> can do 802.15.4 too.
2018-07-16T00:53:30 < karlp> yeah, 802.15.4 is like ethernet. you can do it raw, but it's rough.
2018-07-16T00:53:49 < karlp> zigbee is higher, but almost all locked up protocols until you join zigbee alliance
2018-07-16T00:54:08 < karlp> Steffanx: need or want :)
2018-07-16T00:54:43 < karlp> got this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/is-this-a-need-or-a-want/32866200787.html
2018-07-16T00:55:17 < Steffanx> Hah lol, you really aliexpress that? :D
2018-07-16T00:55:40 < karlp> wasn't available here that I could find.
2018-07-16T00:55:54 < karlp> fuck trying to drive around to small speciality stores that I don't even know if they exist.
2018-07-16T00:55:55 < Steffanx> I expected some rgb leds
2018-07-16T00:56:08 < karlp> two local hardware stores didn't have any long reach taps.
2018-07-16T00:56:18 < karlp> didn't want a big ktichen tap that spins around.
2018-07-16T00:56:20 < Steffanx> It doesnt look too bad though
2018-07-16T00:56:30 < karlp> so yeah, ali. 
2018-07-16T00:56:32 < karlp> works for me.
2018-07-16T00:58:29 < Steffanx> This makes the answer to the " need or want" question pretty hard. Since what you got is pretty random
2018-07-16T00:59:26 < Steffanx> If aliexpress sold Kanjer stroopwafels i wouldve gone foe that
2018-07-16T01:06:52 < englishman> I bought and returned nrf52840 but I'm still not sure if the ST btle module is worth working with either
2018-07-16T01:07:05 < englishman> though the mesh library is working gr8 so far
2018-07-16T01:07:40 < englishman> The cypress thing is a little cheaper. But. Cypress
2018-07-16T01:07:54 < englishman> Silabs has one that I think Lux was talking about
2018-07-16T01:24:33 < Lux> yeah, that bgm113 module iirc
2018-07-16T01:33:44 < stvn> Nek minnit Elon cries I wuz hacked on muh twitta
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2018-07-16T02:00:44 < stvn> englishman: latest triple homicide in Australia performed with Assault scissors
2018-07-16T02:00:58 < branjb> just got a ryobi hammer drill, the thing is a beast
2018-07-16T02:01:04 < stvn> I’m expecting a ban and buy-back on all scissors in Australia
2018-07-16T02:11:38 < X230t> How do I flash a binary to an STM32 on Windows with an ST-link when the ST-link doesn't show up as a COM port, and the flash loader requires one?
2018-07-16T02:14:38 < englishman> st-link utility
2018-07-16T02:15:02 < englishman> search and download that, you can flash, read, set option bytes etc using the st-link debugger
2018-07-16T02:15:19 < englishman> only new stlinks have the comport thing
2018-07-16T02:15:29 < Thorn> if your binary requires a bootloader (sounds like it does) you need to know the start address at which to flash if you're using a st-link
2018-07-16T02:16:11 < englishman> flash loader demonstrator is for flashing using the uart bootloader in ROM not the st-link, If that is what you mean
2018-07-16T02:17:52 < X230t> I'm trying to flash a new bootloader
2018-07-16T02:20:13 < X230t> Here goes $1
2018-07-16T02:21:37 < X230t> It would appear it has not worked
2018-07-16T02:21:38 < X230t> Cock
2018-07-16T02:23:35 < X230t> I've no idea what I'm doing
2018-07-16T02:31:32 < Laurenceb____> story of my lief
2018-07-16T02:33:32 < X230t> Well, it flashed okay, now I can chuck the ST-link in the bin :D
2018-07-16T02:36:10 < Laurenceb____> kek
2018-07-16T02:36:19 < Laurenceb____> texane works for me
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2018-07-16T03:12:57 < X230t> Correction
2018-07-16T03:13:01 < X230t> It didn't fucking work
2018-07-16T03:48:02 < Laurenceb____> >I mean, he lives in Thailand so he probably is a pedo, but it's still an odd comeback.
2018-07-16T03:48:04 < Laurenceb____> kek
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2018-07-16T04:45:40 < bitmask> why do cobs get so hot
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2018-07-16T05:17:07 < englishman> romantic fiction
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2018-07-16T05:20:42 < englishman> https://www.cv.nrao.edu/~demerson/bose/bose.html
2018-07-16T05:20:50 < englishman> 60GHz in 1890s
2018-07-16T05:24:25 < X230t> R2COM: Maybe he was looking for help on how to write the book itself?
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2018-07-16T13:06:52 < jadew> turns out soldering a shielding can straight the the board is not an easy task
2018-07-16T13:07:21 < jadew> has very little thermal mass, so it heats up first and sucks all the solder off of the pads
2018-07-16T13:08:47 < Haohmaru> heat teh pads alone first
2018-07-16T13:09:02 < Haohmaru> do you wish you had moar hands?
2018-07-16T13:09:06 < srk> oO https://hollandshielding.com/PCB-shield-mounting-Tiny-corner-clip-TCC
2018-07-16T13:09:07 < jadew> yeah, then how do I place the shield?
2018-07-16T13:09:31 < Haohmaru> jadew i guess i can't picture it in my mind
2018-07-16T13:09:41 < zyp> jadew, sounds like you need a better temperature profile
2018-07-16T13:09:54 < jadew> srk, yeah, I should have gone for a frame
2018-07-16T13:10:23 < jadew> zyp, I can't do it in the oven (I realized after I managed to figure out how to reflow properly with it) because I have THT components on the other side and they'll fall off
2018-07-16T13:10:39 < zyp> wat
2018-07-16T13:10:42 < jadew> it's a two step soldering job
2018-07-16T13:10:50 < Haohmaru> shouldn't u put them last
2018-07-16T13:10:54 < jadew> I don't reflow it all at once - maybe I should
2018-07-16T13:11:16 < Haohmaru> is your shield thing "SMD" or "THT" ?
2018-07-16T13:11:24 < jadew> the reason I'm not doing that is to have a chance to inspect and correct whatever doesn't go right
2018-07-16T13:11:30 < jadew> Haohmaru, SMD
2018-07-16T13:11:37 < jadew> if it was THT it would have been much easier
2018-07-16T13:11:46 < stvn> good morning
2018-07-16T13:11:50 < jadew> morning
2018-07-16T13:11:50 < Haohmaru> ah, i guess you want to see the stuff under it, before closing the coffin
2018-07-16T13:11:56 < jadew> yep
2018-07-16T13:12:20 < zyp> you should have selected a better shielding can then
2018-07-16T13:12:23 < Haohmaru> okay, can't you bake the stuff, inspect, bake the shield, then turn around and bake the THT
2018-07-16T13:12:25 < stvn> let's make a THT board
2018-07-16T13:12:28 < jadew> zyp, yeah
2018-07-16T13:12:28 < zyp> i.e. the frame you mentioned
2018-07-16T13:12:49 < jadew> Haohmaru, I perform tests before closing the shield
2018-07-16T13:12:56 < Haohmaru> blah
2018-07-16T13:12:59 < jadew> :)
2018-07-16T13:13:23 < Haohmaru> ur doing things too properly ;P~
2018-07-16T13:13:24 < jadew> looks like I have to rethink all this or find a way to solder it reliably after the fact
2018-07-16T13:13:53 < Haohmaru> you're trying to solder it with the iron?
2018-07-16T13:14:05 < jadew> no, hot air
2018-07-16T13:14:16 < Haohmaru> ah, that would suck
2018-07-16T13:14:21 < zyp> you should probably also ask yourself if it's worthwhile to be able to correct stuff, or easier to just throw away boards failing the test
2018-07-16T13:14:35 < jadew> zyp, that's a good point
2018-07-16T13:15:04 < zyp> there's a time cost, both in correcting and in the extra work you add by not doing a single reflow
2018-07-16T13:15:14 < jadew> that's true
2018-07-16T13:15:39 < zyp> and depending on yield rate, that time cost might very well exceed the BOM cost of the failing boards
2018-07-16T13:16:30 < jadew> zyp, I'll do that, thanks for pointing this out
2018-07-16T13:24:05 < stvn> cats
2018-07-16T13:26:02 < Haohmaru> stvn what kind
2018-07-16T13:27:08 < stvn> grey cat
2018-07-16T13:27:45 < sync> jadew: preheat the board and use a proper soldering iron
2018-07-16T13:28:16 < stvn> preheat makes me happy
2018-07-16T13:29:07 < jadew> was just looking for a preheat station
2018-07-16T13:29:23 < jadew> even if do what zyp suggested, I'm sure at some point I'll want to rework them, even if for testing
2018-07-16T13:29:26 < jpa-> if you plan to fix something, wouldn't one of those two-part "snap on" shields be better?
2018-07-16T13:29:42 < jadew> jpa-, not really planning to fix, just making sure everything is ok
2018-07-16T13:29:50 < jadew> and the two-part shields are much more expensive
2018-07-16T13:29:57 < jadew> (than a simple can)
2018-07-16T13:30:53 < jpa-> like $1 vs. $0.20 or something?
2018-07-16T13:31:33 < jadew> more like $6 vs $3
2018-07-16T13:32:19 < jadew> the can I'm using used to be $1, but for some reason it got its price bumped up
2018-07-16T13:34:10 < Haohmaru> i blame dolan
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2018-07-16T15:10:31 < Laurenceb____> lel https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44846945
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2018-07-16T16:10:45 < Sadale> shame on him! :P
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2018-07-16T16:18:32 < Laurenceb____> https://i.redd.it/t045uxdgt6a11.png
2018-07-16T16:19:51 < Sadale> lolololol
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2018-07-16T16:29:37 < jpa-> pr stunt successful
2018-07-16T16:31:12 < Steffanx> Bad PR is also PR jpa- ?
2018-07-16T16:33:20 < jpa-> i think musk wants to be known as quirky billionaire
2018-07-16T16:33:34 < jpa-> there is enough reasonable doubt that "he might be right!"
2018-07-16T16:34:53 < Laurenceb____> my dad has moved to Thailand recently
2018-07-16T16:34:57 < Laurenceb____> so he's probably right
2018-07-16T16:35:51 < zyp> jpa-, how are you enjoying putin and trump?
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2018-07-16T16:37:14 < jpa-> i'm just happy that i don't live in helsinki, we have 30°C heatwave and they've forbidden opening windows
2018-07-16T16:37:24 < zyp> haha
2018-07-16T16:37:36 < jpa-> (not that opening windows would help much anyway :)
2018-07-16T16:38:13 < zyp> this summer is too fucking hot
2018-07-16T16:38:29 < zyp> I think it's making up for the lack of a proper summer last year
2018-07-16T16:38:42 < jpa-> yeah
2018-07-16T16:43:34 < BrainDamage> here the humidity dropped below 50% and it's almost pleasant
2018-07-16T16:49:52 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-07-16T16:49:55 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 29.9°C.
2018-07-16T16:50:04 < Steffanx> Good luck zyp
2018-07-16T16:50:13 < zyp> !wz grimstad
2018-07-16T16:50:14 < englishbot> [Grimstad, Norway] Clear. Temp is 25°C. South wind: 18 kph.
2018-07-16T16:50:23 < zyp> difference not so big
2018-07-16T16:50:27 < jpa-> !wz jyväskylä
2018-07-16T16:50:28 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-07-16T16:50:31 < jpa-> i win!
2018-07-16T16:50:38 < zyp> haha
2018-07-16T16:50:47 < srk> !wz brno
2018-07-16T16:50:48 < englishbot> [Brno, Czech Republic] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 25.4°C. West wind: 3.5 kph. Humidity: 52%.
2018-07-16T16:51:25 < Steffanx> !wz jyvaskyla
2018-07-16T16:51:27 < englishbot> [Jyvaskyla, Finland] Clear. Temp is 30.9°C. NE wind: 1.6 kph.
2018-07-16T16:51:31 < Steffanx> Haha
2018-07-16T16:51:38 < Steffanx> You still win
2018-07-16T16:51:43 < srk> :D
2018-07-16T16:52:38 < Haohmaru> !wz varna
2018-07-16T16:52:40 < englishbot> [Varna, Bulgaria] Scattered Clouds. Temp is 29.2°C. NW wind: 4.7 kph.
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2018-07-16T17:20:57 < Laurenceb____> !wz Derby
2018-07-16T17:20:59 < englishbot> [Derby, United Kingdom] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 27.2°C.
2018-07-16T17:21:00 < kakimir> !wz EFRA
2018-07-16T17:21:01 < englishbot> [EFRA, Finland] Clear. Temp is 29°C. Variable wind: 6 kph.
2018-07-16T17:21:12 < zyp> fucking hot all over
2018-07-16T17:21:22 < Laurenceb____> Im slightly cooler for once
2018-07-16T17:22:56 < kakimir> sex summer
2018-07-16T17:23:08 < Haohmaru> isn't 27 a bit too hot for UK?
2018-07-16T17:23:20 < Laurenceb____> record is 37 or so
2018-07-16T17:23:26 < Laurenceb____> I'm fine with <=32C
2018-07-16T17:23:52 < kakimir> when does the half year of rain begin Laurenceb____ ?
2018-07-16T17:24:01 < kakimir> or is it 3/4 year of rain
2018-07-16T17:24:04 < Laurenceb____> dunno
2018-07-16T17:24:10 < Laurenceb____> hasnt rained for months here
2018-07-16T17:24:15 < Haohmaru> wowz
2018-07-16T17:24:21 < kakimir> sweet
2018-07-16T17:24:27 < Sadale> Have anyone heard of this charge pump 3.3V regulator chip? HX4002B, known as HX4002-3.3V
2018-07-16T17:24:29 < zyp> same here
2018-07-16T17:24:35 < Laurenceb____> in fact prob since last snow in March
2018-07-16T17:24:42 < zyp> news is all about dying crops and forest fires nowadays
2018-07-16T17:24:51 < Sadale> It's real cheap. like $0.05 per chip.
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2018-07-16T17:25:07 < Sadale> But I couldn't find anyone selling it in western sites. I can only find it on Chinese sites.
2018-07-16T17:25:26  * Haohmaru turns the red lamp on
2018-07-16T17:25:46 < kakimir> Sadale: there was talk about that a moment ago I think
2018-07-16T17:26:05 < Sadale> really?
2018-07-16T17:26:20 < Haohmaru> cout << sizeof(kakimir::moment_t);
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2018-07-16T17:26:46 < Sadale> I think I had talked about voltage regulator like days ago. But no one had mentioned this chip.
2018-07-16T17:31:17 < kakimir> okay I don't have datasheet of it
2018-07-16T17:31:24 < kakimir> probs it was some other chip
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2018-07-16T17:32:26 < Sadale> Here's the datasheet I've found: https://voron.ua/files/pdf/micoshema/HX4002.pdf
2018-07-16T17:32:39 < Sadale> It looks very impressive.
2018-07-16T17:33:24 < Sadale> 1.8V - 4.5V input range. 3.3V regulated output. 83% efficiency at 80mA output, 2.7V input.
2018-07-16T17:35:15 < Laurenceb____> useful
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2018-07-16T17:40:47 < Laurenceb____> keeek https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-44686074
2018-07-16T17:41:09 < Laurenceb____> bbc tv is a recursive shitshow
2018-07-16T17:45:13 < vampi-the-frog> those people are half nekked
2018-07-16T17:45:31 < vampi-the-frog> they be doing the hoochy mama dance half nekked
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2018-07-16T18:06:24 < Laurenceb____> https://mobile.twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1018846533230395392?p=v
2018-07-16T18:06:25 < Laurenceb____> keek
2018-07-16T18:08:00 < kakimir> show hot britt chicks Laurenceb____ 
2018-07-16T18:08:13 < Laurenceb____> if u stop manspreading
2018-07-16T18:08:20 < kakimir> just did
2018-07-16T18:08:49 < kakimir> not for good but momentarilly
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2018-07-16T18:26:51 < tct> why is this happening
2018-07-16T18:28:00 < jpa-> why is ##stm32 happening
2018-07-16T18:31:30 < zyp> tct, what's happening?
2018-07-16T18:31:45 < tct> what jpa- said
2018-07-16T18:34:27 < zyp> fun fun
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2018-07-16T18:36:38 < Thorn> Laurenceb____ you need a fresh topic to autism about. google digital blackface
2018-07-16T18:37:05 < zyp> don't feed him
2018-07-16T18:39:15 < englishman> !wz san francisco
2018-07-16T18:39:17 < englishbot> [San Francisco, California] Overcast. Temp is 14.3°C. Humidity: 86%.
2018-07-16T18:39:19 < englishman> brrrrrrrrr
2018-07-16T18:39:27 < zyp> hah
2018-07-16T18:42:38 < kakimir> !wz helsinki
2018-07-16T18:42:40 < englishbot> [Helsinki, Finland] Clear. Temp is 29°C. SE wind: 11 kph.
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2018-07-16T18:57:07 < Thorn> !wz UUOO
2018-07-16T18:57:08 < englishbot> [UUOO, (null)] Rain. Temp is 22°C. ESE wind: 18 kph. Humidity: 78%.
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2018-07-16T19:22:22 < kakimir> !wz NZIR
2018-07-16T19:22:24 < englishbot> [NZIR, (null)] Partly Cloudy. Temp is -28.4°C but feels like -39°C. NNE wind: 14.5 kph. Humidity: 75%.
2018-07-16T19:31:24 < Laurenceb____> wtf @ San Francisco
2018-07-16T19:31:39 < Laurenceb____> I'm moving now
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2018-07-16T19:46:27 < antto> such bot, much english
2018-07-16T20:07:39 < Laurenceb____> peanut butter and supersoakers
2018-07-16T20:10:46 < Laurenceb____> lel @ googling that gives reddit
2018-07-16T20:14:11 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e69hKTAcVt0 
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2018-07-16T20:36:38 < Laurenceb____> >Never fear!  EMIDF is here! 
2018-07-16T20:38:11 < kakimir> is there any good touch display laptops for handwriten notes that are converted to text?
2018-07-16T20:38:25 < kakimir> or laptops + digital pen
2018-07-16T20:38:36 < kakimir> shit just needs to work
2018-07-16T20:38:51 < kakimir> how is ms surface or so?
2018-07-16T20:42:09 < kakimir> is there such pens that would not require touch surface?
2018-07-16T20:48:00 < bitmask> is it worth getting a mean well switching psu for 3d printer or any of those nameless ones will do
2018-07-16T20:54:56 < emeryth> if the PSU is bad it will burn down, if the PSU is good the printer itself will burn down
2018-07-16T20:58:38 < kakimir> if you want it to be on spec
2018-07-16T20:58:46 < kakimir> and actually work for years
2018-07-16T20:58:49 < kakimir> mealwell
2018-07-16T20:59:41 < kakimir> if you want subspec substandard shiet - lowest power quality money can get - then 4eur psu from ebay
2018-07-16T21:00:08 < kakimir> it kinda works - for a while
2018-07-16T21:00:39 < kakimir> you look inside and wonder how little amount of components it has.. should it have more
2018-07-16T21:00:53 < kakimir> "is that tiny thing a transformer"
2018-07-16T21:01:05 < bitmask> alright, im gonna get a lrs-350-12
2018-07-16T21:01:23 < kakimir> good
2018-07-16T21:01:39 < kakimir> my job is done - bbl>
2018-07-16T21:01:42 < bitmask> :)
2018-07-16T21:20:13 < Steffanx> Did your psu burn bitmask?
2018-07-16T21:20:36 < bitmask> no but I want a 30A to power moar leds
2018-07-16T21:20:48 < Steffanx> leds?
2018-07-16T21:20:56 < bitmask> I dont trust the 20A that comes with it, everyone says to replace it
2018-07-16T21:20:57 < Steffanx> leds make a 3d printer magically print better?
2018-07-16T21:21:17 < BrainDamage> when they draw 30A, they can replace the hotbed
2018-07-16T21:21:19 < bitmask> I'm decking out my enclosure/lack table setup
2018-07-16T21:22:03 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/NBlWk41
2018-07-16T21:22:19 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/WplChxu.png
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2018-07-16T21:41:13 < Laurenceb____> inb4 muh croplamps
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2018-07-16T22:32:20 < vampi-the-frog> okay
2018-07-16T22:32:27 < vampi-the-frog> I'll give one of those transconductance opamps a try
2018-07-16T22:32:32 < stvn> meow
2018-07-16T22:33:29 < stvn> or later
2018-07-16T22:33:52 < vampi-the-frog> I also saw a video of a guy playing with one
2018-07-16T22:34:06 < vampi-the-frog> he hooked up the voltage level input to a 555 timer and was doing on and off
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2018-07-16T22:34:16 < vampi-the-frog> I plan to tie it to the DAC of the MCU
2018-07-16T22:34:28 < stvn> Ah
2018-07-16T22:35:04 < vampi-the-frog> I ordered a TI LM13700 cause that's waht they had in stock
2018-07-16T22:35:23 < vampi-the-frog> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbaJ6TOmyVo
2018-07-16T22:35:28 < stvn> It’s the only one afaik
2018-07-16T22:35:35 < stvn> The 13700
2018-07-16T22:35:52 < vampi-the-frog> no, there's NE5517 as well but nobody has it in stock
2018-07-16T22:36:00 < vampi-the-frog> so it might be EOL
2018-07-16T22:36:03 < stvn> Used as a limiter in stacks of power amps
2018-07-16T22:36:09 < vampi-the-frog> you might be right though
2018-07-16T22:36:15 < stvn> As is ca3080 lol
2018-07-16T22:36:26 < vampi-the-frog> yeah I also found that one
2018-07-16T22:36:37 < vampi-the-frog> my project is an USB recording interface with 16 inputs
2018-07-16T22:36:54 < stvn> Cool
2018-07-16T22:37:07 < stvn> You could sell that
2018-07-16T22:37:44 < stvn> It’d have to be better than a behringer
2018-07-16T22:38:14 < vampi-the-frog> though, now that I think about it, I'll need 16 or 8 DACs for volume
2018-07-16T22:39:21 < vampi-the-frog> I don't know if behringer has a 16 in USB interface other than their big ol' mixer
2018-07-16T22:39:57 < vampi-the-frog> the X32
2018-07-16T22:40:30 < stvn> Depends on what they’re in the mood to clone
2018-07-16T22:40:39 < vampi-the-frog> so I don't think they have a dedicated product
2018-07-16T22:40:51 < stvn> And if someone tries to sue they’ll just buy their company
2018-07-16T22:40:54 < vampi-the-frog> well, they have a product I like but can't afford right now
2018-07-16T22:40:57 < stvn> Cheaper that way
2018-07-16T22:41:16 < vampi-the-frog> https://www.musictri.be/Categories/Behringer/Computer-Audio/Desktop-Controllers/X-TOUCH/p/P0B1X
2018-07-16T22:41:38 < vampi-the-frog> I like the X-Touch, I'd like to play with it in my DAW
2018-07-16T22:42:09 < vampi-the-frog> it has motorized faders and the annular ring rotary encoders which act as "digital" potentiometers
2018-07-16T22:42:38 < zyp> looks cute
2018-07-16T22:43:08 < vampi-the-frog> yeah it's a bit tacky with all the lights but whatever
2018-07-16T22:43:15 < stvn> cool 1
2018-07-16T22:43:21 < vampi-the-frog> and they have an expander with 8 more faders
2018-07-16T22:43:26 < vampi-the-frog> you can add as many of those as you want
2018-07-16T22:43:54 < vampi-the-frog> I found a couple of motorized faders for about $20 or less
2018-07-16T22:44:08 < vampi-the-frog> gonna play around with those as well
2018-07-16T22:45:10 < vampi-the-frog> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mixer-Reverb-Electric-Fader-B10K-Slide-Motor-Drive-Potentiometer-Switch/32788224091.html
2018-07-16T22:45:48 < vampi-the-frog> it's gotta be a interesting communication to look at on the USB bus from that X-Touch
2018-07-16T22:45:49 < Laurenceb____> muh audiophool
2018-07-16T22:45:57 < zyp> huh, that thing is only $400
2018-07-16T22:45:58 < vampi-the-frog> cause it can send control data but also receive
2018-07-16T22:46:11 < zyp> expected it to be three times that
2018-07-16T22:46:26 < stvn> Heh
2018-07-16T22:46:28 < vampi-the-frog> yeah it's not that much
2018-07-16T22:47:13 < vampi-the-frog> if you add up the faders, assuming they're $15 each, $135 is just the motorized faders
2018-07-16T22:48:53 < vampi-the-frog> each channel has its own LCD display
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2018-07-16T22:54:21 < Steffanx> Is touch sensitive faders a standard thing vampi-the-frog?
2018-07-16T22:54:26 < Steffanx> i mean a common thing.
2018-07-16T22:54:43 < vampi-the-frog> the behringer thing is the first time I heard of it
2018-07-16T22:54:49 < vampi-the-frog> it only lets you slide it when you touch its top
2018-07-16T22:54:54 < vampi-the-frog> which means you can't push from the bottom
2018-07-16T22:54:59 < Cracki> so force feedback?
2018-07-16T22:55:06 < vampi-the-frog> no, it's more like error prevention
2018-07-16T22:55:11 < Cracki> how fancy can you get with these things
2018-07-16T22:55:17 < Cracki> like... fading speed limit?
2018-07-16T22:55:20 < vampi-the-frog> no
2018-07-16T22:55:33 < vampi-the-frog> so you can only move the fader when you put your finger on the top of the cursor
2018-07-16T22:55:35 < vampi-the-frog> not on the sides
2018-07-16T22:55:41 < Laurenceb____> vampi-the-frog: u an audiophool?
2018-07-16T22:56:08 < vampi-the-frog> just trying to setup my studio
2018-07-16T22:56:18 < Laurenceb____> vampi-the-frog: could you recommend a multichannel preamp for xlr condenser mics with 48v phantom power? 
2018-07-16T22:56:21 < Steffanx> I was more referring to the automatic channel selection in the sw based on which fader you touched vampi-the-frog.
2018-07-16T22:56:27 < Laurenceb____> my cpc shit is shit
2018-07-16T22:57:00 < vampi-the-frog> Laurenceb____: f off
2018-07-16T22:57:04 < Steffanx> Cracki, that would be cool though. At least me as non-audio guy thinks it's cool.
2018-07-16T22:57:07 < vampi-the-frog> Steffanx: I didn't know about that feature
2018-07-16T22:57:08 < Laurenceb____> kek
2018-07-16T22:57:32 < vampi-the-frog> well, I saw a guy doing this with an arduino
2018-07-16T22:57:38 < vampi-the-frog> he made it so the fader had "notches" in it
2018-07-16T22:57:48 < vampi-the-frog> so he could split its range into, say, 5 places
2018-07-16T22:57:57 < vampi-the-frog> and you would move it and it would snap to the nearest
2018-07-16T22:58:07 < vampi-the-frog> so you can do all sorts of stuff like that, with a mcu
2018-07-16T22:58:53 < vampi-the-frog> I'd like to make a volume knob that moves with the computer's volume
2018-07-16T22:58:58 < vampi-the-frog> well, it would have to be on the audio interface
2018-07-16T22:59:08 < vampi-the-frog> so when you set the volume from alsa
2018-07-16T22:59:13 < vampi-the-frog> the fader moves to that value
2018-07-16T22:59:24 < vampi-the-frog> but also when you manually move the fader, the software volume changes accordingly
2018-07-16T22:59:25 < Cracki> Steffanx, I have the idea only because I'd like a servo-assisted video pan-tilt-head... humans are jittery.
2018-07-16T22:59:30 < stvn> Laurence the digico 32 bit mix preamp made by UKers
2018-07-16T22:59:53 < stvn> mic
2018-07-16T22:59:59 < Cracki> motor part is done, I just need some strain gauges and a suitable stick to use as input
2018-07-16T23:00:00 < stvn> Stupid phone
2018-07-16T23:00:21 < aandrew> interesting fader. $15 apiece though is too dear
2018-07-16T23:00:36 < Steffanx> hehe, doesnt sound impossible to do some force feedback using such thingy Cracki.
2018-07-16T23:00:45 < vampi-the-frog> well the others are over $20 so $15 is a good offer
2018-07-16T23:00:54 < Steffanx> unless your user is going to push the thing really hard.
2018-07-16T23:01:48 < Cracki> it's kinda like a robot arm you can nudge. it holds its own weight, but senses applied forces and yields.
2018-07-16T23:01:57 < Cracki> standard in modern industrial automation
2018-07-16T23:02:27 < Cracki> keeps work pieces parallel, carries their weight, so the human just has to grab and move it
2018-07-16T23:02:44 < Cracki> these faders sound just like that. lots of possibilities
2018-07-16T23:03:27 < Cracki> left channel moves with right channel proportionally, etc
2018-07-16T23:03:43 < vampi-the-frog> yeah
2018-07-16T23:03:52 < vampi-the-frog> that assumes you have 2 channels
2018-07-16T23:04:54 < Cracki> I've been using some simple mixers before. their main mix out was stereo, the simpler ones had a pan knob, the more expensive one had a fader for each stereo ch. 
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2018-07-16T23:13:46 < Laurenceb____> I has an idea
2018-07-16T23:13:55 < Laurenceb____> >put cheese on bread
2018-07-16T23:14:02 < Laurenceb____> >put it into my reflow oven
2018-07-16T23:14:35 < vampi-the-frog> you'll get lead poisoning
2018-07-16T23:15:00 < Laurenceb____> my "reflow oven" is actually a toaster on its side
2018-07-16T23:15:09 < vampi-the-frog> you're a toaster on its side
2018-07-16T23:15:16 < Laurenceb____> it still seems to work, so time to see if it can toast
2018-07-16T23:15:32 < Laurenceb____> but now the cheese wont fall off
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2018-07-16T23:24:08 < Steffanx> and you'll still get lead poisoning, unless you never used it with leaded soldered ofcourse.
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2018-07-16T23:27:24 < BrainDamage> at this point, lead poisoning can only improve him
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2018-07-16T23:36:55 < stvn> Cool
2018-07-16T23:37:55 < mitrax_> stvn: sup?
2018-07-16T23:38:05 < stvn> Hi sir
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2018-07-16T23:38:36 < stvn> The Australian dream
2018-07-16T23:38:59 < stvn> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/i6hMGqBc/mate.JPG
2018-07-16T23:39:11 < mitrax_> ahaha
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2018-07-16T23:44:23 < Cracki> I love the pics of paris I've been seeing since yesterday
2018-07-16T23:44:33 < stvn> that's muh heritage
2018-07-16T23:44:33 < Cracki> streets, subway, ... just delightful
2018-07-16T23:44:49 < vampi-the-frog> another attack?
2018-07-16T23:45:02 < Cracki> no, they won.
2018-07-16T23:45:16 < Cracki> a soccer match anyway.
2018-07-16T23:45:19 < stvn> the crocodile competition 
2018-07-16T23:45:31 < vampi-the-frog> good time for another terror attack
2018-07-16T23:45:39 < Cracki> if france were invaded by crocodiles, at least it'd be fun
2018-07-16T23:45:49 < Cracki> so many new shoes and handbags
2018-07-16T23:45:51 < vampi-the-frog> it would be fun if the crocodiles only bit muslim
2018-07-16T23:45:58 < Cracki> >_>
2018-07-16T23:46:12 < Cracki> I can recommens the angry birds movie.
2018-07-16T23:46:15 < Cracki> it's about germany.
2018-07-16T23:46:21 < Cracki> and new arrivals.
2018-07-16T23:46:40 < Cracki> the newcomers are green, which stands for islam.
2018-07-16T23:46:50 < stvn> good to know
2018-07-16T23:47:10 < Cracki> a fun movie. just like in the game, lots of shit blows up :3
2018-07-16T23:48:21 < Laurenceb____> holy shit til Russian grrl is a jew
2018-07-16T23:48:24 < Laurenceb____> my sides
2018-07-16T23:48:32 < vampi-the-frog> I think Planet of the Apes is also about muslim invasion
2018-07-16T23:49:11 < stvn> yeah mate
2018-07-16T23:49:29 < stvn> i figured everyone already knew that
2018-07-16T23:49:31 < Laurenceb____> waifu for dongs
2018-07-16T23:49:37 < stvn> desu
2018-07-16T23:49:38 < Cracki> guess what, tons of jews live in russia
2018-07-16T23:49:51 < vampi-the-frog> I figured it out after reading roseanne's tweet
2018-07-16T23:49:53 < stvn> thats cause the russians were brutal on the nazis
2018-07-16T23:50:07 < stvn> its probably the safest place in the world for them
2018-07-16T23:50:12 < Cracki> guess who invented socialism :>
2018-07-16T23:50:18 < stvn> my dog
2018-07-16T23:50:28 < vampi-the-frog> stvn's dog
2018-07-16T23:50:32 < Cracki> what about israel? they have birthright citizenship there. all jews effectively have dual citizenship.
2018-07-16T23:50:57 < Cracki> I think it's pretty safe there. billions in foreign aid from murica.
2018-07-16T23:51:06 < BrainDamage> yes and no, several countries forces you to have a single citizenship
2018-07-16T23:51:24 < BrainDamage> so they COULD give you one, but you cannot have it at the same as another
2018-07-16T23:51:25 < Cracki> and they won't run out of room either, the way they grab land from palestine and syria and whatever else
2018-07-16T23:51:39 < Cracki> ideal situation, i'd say
2018-07-16T23:51:54 < Cracki> you always have the option of bugging out if your host country turns to shit
2018-07-16T23:52:50 < Cracki> ooh boybutt on the timeline!
2018-07-16T23:53:16 < Cracki> and pink tiger nose
2018-07-16T23:55:53 < stvn> but what about the electronic circuits mate
2018-07-16T23:56:39 < Cracki> good day, sir! would you like to hear about electric stimulation?
2018-07-16T23:56:52 < BrainDamage> which body part?
2018-07-16T23:57:00 < Cracki> try them all
2018-07-16T23:57:17 < BrainDamage> mmm, not very effective on nails
2018-07-16T23:57:21 < Cracki> wew clean air is rayciss, says mother jones
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2018-07-17T00:00:19 < Laurenceb____> estim is still less pointless than muh gui
2018-07-17T00:00:47 < BrainDamage> TENS is medically documented to be useful for pain relief in several cases
2018-07-17T00:01:03 < Cracki> it certainly is that
2018-07-17T00:01:38 < Steffanx> http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Double-Y_syndrome ##yy32
2018-07-17T00:02:38 < BrainDamage> you can be XYY IRL
2018-07-17T00:02:50 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYY_syndrome
2018-07-17T00:03:10 < BrainDamage> > and an increased risk of learning problems.
2018-07-17T00:03:21 < BrainDamage> still fits xyy32
2018-07-17T00:03:27 < Steffanx> :P
2018-07-17T00:03:46 < Cracki> anything with more than one Y is just more brutish
2018-07-17T00:03:55 < Cracki> anything with more than one X has more severe problems
2018-07-17T00:03:55 < mitrax_> "i'm not a retard, i'm just a supermale!"
2018-07-17T00:04:05 < Laurenceb____> XYY == ##electronics explained
2018-07-17T00:04:19 < Cracki> heh
2018-07-17T00:04:29 < kakimir> oh
2018-07-17T00:04:44 < vampi-the-frog> Supermale and Acne boy
2018-07-17T00:04:55 < stvn> idk what we're talking about
2018-07-17T00:05:09 < stvn> i was too busy having an intimate conversation in pm with steffan
2018-07-17T00:05:25 < mitrax_> stvn: hot and steamy?
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2018-07-17T00:05:37 < stvn> 32 bit mate
2018-07-17T00:05:48 < Steffanx> Congratz mitrax_ 
2018-07-17T00:05:54 < Laurenceb____> when XYY and YXX form babby
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2018-07-17T00:06:59 < stvn> are we talking about down syndrome or some shit
2018-07-17T00:08:21 < Cracki> no, we are pathologizing the peculiar behavior of a rival channel's ops and regulars
2018-07-17T00:08:54 < stvn> sounds too complicated for me to understand
2018-07-17T00:08:56 < Laurenceb____> irc syndrome
2018-07-17T00:08:56 < Cracki> that doesn't make the assertions false, mind you
2018-07-17T00:08:57 < BrainDamage> down syndrome is on a different chromosome
2018-07-17T00:09:04 < stvn> well there ya go
2018-07-17T00:09:17 < stvn> I only learned about it through 4chan and memes
2018-07-17T00:09:18 < mitrax_> stvn: chromosome21, corkymir
2018-07-17T00:09:34 < Steffanx> Kamimeme.
2018-07-17T00:09:39 < Steffanx> Kaki*
2018-07-17T00:10:01 < Laurenceb____> also explains 8chan mods https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/virginia-hale-1.png
2018-07-17T00:10:18 < Laurenceb____> that thing cant have normal chromosomes
2018-07-17T00:10:22 < stvn> i thought irc syndrome was spamming ASL to anything that appears to be a female aged 6 months and over
2018-07-17T00:10:44 < Laurenceb____> kek I've had ppl direct message dick pics
2018-07-17T00:10:52 < Laurenceb____> cuz my name is female in france
2018-07-17T00:10:56 < Laurenceb____> frog dick
2018-07-17T00:11:18 < BrainDamage> my name is female in half of the world, and that never happened to me
2018-07-17T00:11:23 < mitrax_> Laurenceb____: you mean... you're not a woman? :(
2018-07-17T00:11:30 < BrainDamage> maybe you asked for it
2018-07-17T00:11:32 < Cracki> >_> not even gays like dick pics that much
2018-07-17T00:11:53 < Laurenceb____> BrainDamage: u need to visit efnet
2018-07-17T00:11:56 < Cracki> protip: shirt lift. can't go wrong. unless you have a belly.
2018-07-17T00:12:47 < Laurenceb____> I went on omegle once and a nekkid grrl riding a dildo told me to clean my room
2018-07-17T00:13:35 < Cracki> jordan peterson
2018-07-17T00:13:35 < BrainDamage> I went to efnet once, to ask for a bouncer account activation, and people were surprised I used proper english
2018-07-17T00:14:00 < Cracki> must be old people on efnet
2018-07-17T00:14:16 < BrainDamage> the opposite, apparently 12yo gaymer is the demographics there
2018-07-17T00:14:23 < Cracki> >_>
2018-07-17T00:14:33 < Cracki> and the other half is FBI agents
2018-07-17T00:15:42 < Cracki> two people dead in french riots.
2018-07-17T00:16:16 < Cracki> absolute winners, the french
2018-07-17T00:17:21 < mitrax_> not exactly riots, one dumbass drove into a tree, and another retard jumped into a canal and drowned
2018-07-17T00:17:43 < Cracki> ah, natural selection
2018-07-17T00:17:47 < mitrax_> anyway good riddance... that's natural selection
2018-07-17T00:17:49 < mitrax_> jinx
2018-07-17T00:17:52 < Cracki> if only that could be accelerated
2018-07-17T00:18:21 < Cracki> beautiful croatia: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiQOBvaWsAAi2Ps.jpg:orig
2018-07-17T00:18:36 < Cracki> imagine this looking like downtown paris
2018-07-17T00:19:16 < mitrax_> nice
2018-07-17T00:19:34 < mitrax_> compared to the view i got from my window yesterday evening 
2018-07-17T00:19:38 < mitrax_> http://download.unfiltered.net/IMG_20180715_190808.jpg
2018-07-17T00:20:25 < Cracki> lel that's a dude
2018-07-17T00:20:41 < mitrax_> indeed
2018-07-17T00:21:40 < Steffanx> Did you even watch the match mitrax_ ?
2018-07-17T00:22:56 < kakimir> mitrax_: uk?
2018-07-17T00:22:57 < mitrax_> Steffanx: nope... but i didn't really have too, there were a crowd of 1000+ people giving a live transcription of events with various howls
2018-07-17T00:23:04 < mitrax_> kakimir: no france
2018-07-17T00:23:06 < Steffanx> Hehe
2018-07-17T00:23:13 < mitrax_> err were/was
2018-07-17T00:23:27 < kakimir> happy fellow
2018-07-17T00:23:44 < kakimir> people don't seem to mind
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2018-07-17T01:28:50 < stvn> We must be quiet the stffn is sleeping
2018-07-17T01:32:57 < upgrdman> yes. quietly eat all of the stroopwafels
2018-07-17T01:34:05 < upgrdman> amazon is intermittently broken for me. guess AWS cants handle prime day, lol
2018-07-17T01:34:58 < BrainDamage> primate day
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2018-07-17T01:52:39 < jadew> Steffanx, is that a movie?
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2018-07-17T02:00:33 < Cracki> soccer match I'd guess
2018-07-17T02:03:09 < jadew> has anyone noticed how aliexpress is charging more for shipping lately?
2018-07-17T02:03:50 < jadew> if you add more than X number of items, it switches to some non-free shipping method
2018-07-17T02:04:00 < jadew> even tho the original price had shipping included
2018-07-17T02:06:42 < Cracki> that's been normal for plenty of offers
2018-07-17T02:06:59 < jadew> maybe I just recently started buying more
2018-07-17T02:07:03 < Cracki> sellers can set how much product they will ship for free
2018-07-17T02:07:21 < jadew> you'd expect it to be the other way around
2018-07-17T02:07:24 < Cracki> then it's some ax+b kinda deal
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2018-07-17T02:07:39 < jadew> you get one, you pay for shipping, you get 10, it's free
2018-07-17T02:07:50 < Cracki> actually not. small packages seem included in trade deals that make it effectively free for them to ship those out
2018-07-17T02:08:26 < jadew> the crap I buy fits in a tiny envelope regardless if I buy 1 or 100
2018-07-17T02:08:31 < Cracki> heh
2018-07-17T02:08:42 < Cracki> then place 100 orders
2018-07-17T02:08:48 < Cracki> receive 100 envelopes
2018-07-17T02:08:55 < Cracki> see if they care
2018-07-17T02:08:56 < jadew> and deal with the customs 100 times
2018-07-17T02:09:22 < Cracki> your customs peeps will start waving anything through if it only has your name on it
2018-07-17T02:09:33 < jadew> haha
2018-07-17T02:09:46 < Cracki> at least mine did, and I didn't even buy that much
2018-07-17T02:10:18 < stvn> YING CHING
2018-07-17T02:10:48 < Cracki> they all have colonial names now, like Dave and Lisa
2018-07-17T02:11:05 < jadew> I used to be friendly with the customs officer too, but they changed her and a lot of stuff stopped going through that customs office anyway
2018-07-17T02:11:20 < Cracki> >friendly
2018-07-17T02:11:37 < jadew> flirty
2018-07-17T02:11:43 < Cracki> the deal is "I won't order nukes, you won't dig through my shit"
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2018-07-17T02:12:41 < jadew> they're overwhelmed here, so they don't usually go through your stuff anyway
2018-07-17T02:12:46 < jadew> especially if it's from china
2018-07-17T02:13:11 < Cracki> hm, I should try ordering 18650s
2018-07-17T02:13:29 < Cracki> they will have massive lies for capacity numbers but eh
2018-07-17T02:14:11 < Cracki> every day, order double the number. see if the customs drone knows about that story with the grains and the chess board
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2018-07-17T02:17:13 < Cracki> western sellers have huge markups because all the vaping hipsters need the things in their cotton candy pipes
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2018-07-17T02:22:17 < jadew> can't believe how much I'm using my 3D printer
2018-07-17T02:22:26 < jadew> I knew I'm going to use it, but not this much
2018-07-17T02:23:55 < BrainDamage> you've started a dildo collection?
2018-07-17T02:24:18 < jadew> not yet, I don't have any flexible filament
2018-07-17T02:24:25 < BrainDamage> print molds
2018-07-17T02:25:01 < jadew> thought about that too, but I don't know how safe the silicone is 
2018-07-17T02:25:40 < jadew> I have the sanitary kind - I think it should work
2018-07-17T02:26:05 < Cracki> food-safe silicone is absolutely safe
2018-07-17T02:26:24 < Cracki> just don't use the stuff that smells like vinegar
2018-07-17T02:27:29 < Cracki> everyone recommends coating the mold with something, but it'll separate without
2018-07-17T02:27:36 < Cracki> no oil tho ;)
2018-07-17T02:28:21 < jadew> if the layer height is small enough, I'm sure it will
2018-07-17T02:28:49 < jadew> you probably need a small layer height anyway, otherwise it's scratchy
2018-07-17T02:29:20 < BrainDamage> not if there's silicone
2018-07-17T02:29:27 < BrainDamage> then it becomes ribbed for your pleasure
2018-07-17T02:29:45 < BrainDamage> worst case, you can chemically smoothen it
2018-07-17T02:29:54 < BrainDamage> smooth the mold, that is
2018-07-17T02:30:21 < jadew> can PETG be smoothen with acetone?
2018-07-17T02:30:24 < jadew> like ABS?
2018-07-17T02:30:46 < Cracki> layer height doesn't matter
2018-07-17T02:31:01 < Cracki> the silicone will adhere to the plastic, but it'll stick to itself more
2018-07-17T02:31:20 < Cracki> even 0.2mm layer height is irrelevant
2018-07-17T02:32:16 < Cracki> if you want to smooth a mold, pick ABS. that's just acetone then. PLA... you better coat with something rather than use solvents
2018-07-17T02:33:10 < jadew> ABS is toxic tho
2018-07-17T02:33:27 < Cracki> eh
2018-07-17T02:33:58 < Cracki> anything you can use to dissolve PLA is too ;)
2018-07-17T02:37:47 < Cracki> https://www.matterhackers.com/articles/how-to-post-processing-petg-3d-filament
2018-07-17T02:43:59 < Cracki> "mold release" seems to be the keyword. anything that doesn't harm the silicone, but keeps it from sticking.
2018-07-17T02:45:49 < Cracki> just pay attention to which side it sticks to... seems that industrially, the molds are silicone, and the work piece is injection plastic
2018-07-17T02:46:19 < Cracki> (but I might read this wrong)
2018-07-17T02:48:01 < jadew> heh
2018-07-17T02:48:13 < Cracki> vaseline + some kind of alcohol/petroleum is what someone I know uses
2018-07-17T02:49:19 < BrainDamage> for the dildo application?
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2018-07-17T02:49:28 < Cracki> incidentally yes
2018-07-17T02:49:51 < Cracki> but molds for ultra-caffeinated chocolate (and weed chocolate) too
2018-07-17T02:50:29 < Cracki> https://www.smooth-on.com/support/faq/94/
2018-07-17T02:50:53 < Cracki> and that's silicone-silicone, where you'd usually want plastic-silicone
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2018-07-17T05:26:43 < dale6998> I'm driving two motors, and need to sense 6 ADC channels at the top of each PWM cycle
2018-07-17T05:27:30 < dale6998> I was getting away with this earlier using injected ADC for 3 samples, but now that there's two motors, I need 6 samples and injected ADC will only read 4 channels
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2018-07-17T05:57:33 < bitmask> what is salami?
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2018-07-17T05:59:09 < Cracki> anyone know if the basic math for *signed* accums (gcc) is reasonable? they're defined as s16.15 for example, so not "aligned" to byte boundaries
2018-07-17T06:00:03 < Cracki> I imagine for a simple multiplication this would require shifts that wouldn't be needed with something like s15.16
2018-07-17T06:01:54 < Cracki> it's s16.15 according to https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/avr-gcc#Fixed-Point_Support
2018-07-17T06:02:09 < Cracki> but this would indicate s15.16 https://www.avrfreaks.net/forum/recent-work-fixed-point-avr-gcc
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2018-07-17T06:51:45 < englishman> Good evening "innovators"
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2018-07-17T06:59:47 < machinehum1> englishman: good evening
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2018-07-17T09:57:13 < Steffanx> Movie: Alien (3) jadew 
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2018-07-17T10:51:03 < stvn> Goodeye there sport
2018-07-17T10:55:15 < Steffanx> Noice day to you too stvn
2018-07-17T10:55:39 < stvn> Ty
2018-07-17T10:55:44 < stvn> What are you doin
2018-07-17T10:57:54 < gnom> hi all
2018-07-17T10:57:56 < gnom> how you hand this bird?
2018-07-17T10:58:00 < gnom> https://imgur.com/gallery/dWs51cX
2018-07-17T10:58:58 < stvn> Lol
2018-07-17T11:00:18 < tpw_rules> the best bird gif is the one of a birb dancing around a pot while water is poured in
2018-07-17T11:01:19 < stvn> Syringes on the floor in this train \o/
2018-07-17T11:01:32 < tpw_rules> fuck yeah free drugs
2018-07-17T11:01:35 < tpw_rules> inject and see what you get
2018-07-17T11:01:40 < zyp> aids
2018-07-17T11:01:47 < tpw_rules> i love aids
2018-07-17T11:02:43 < stvn> Still in the wrapper
2018-07-17T11:02:46 < stvn> Go figure
2018-07-17T11:03:01 < tpw_rules> oh
2018-07-17T11:03:12 < Haohmaru> the new syringes with re-sealable package
2018-07-17T11:03:20 < stvn> Of course
2018-07-17T11:03:30 < stvn> You’re probably right
2018-07-17T11:03:40 < stvn> I’m not going to touch them
2018-07-17T11:04:02 < Haohmaru> now if this was one of those "wrong turn" movies..
2018-07-17T11:04:02 < stvn> I feel safe 2 metres away
2018-07-17T11:04:13 < Haohmaru> u ded
2018-07-17T11:06:42 < stvn> Brain dead maybe
2018-07-17T11:12:32 < Steffanx> Better buy some innovation from arrow with 10% off, now you still can englishbot 
2018-07-17T11:12:35 < Steffanx> englishman.
2018-07-17T11:19:24 < Haohmaru> i'll take a kilogram of innovation please
2018-07-17T11:19:36 < Haohmaru> only if it's fresh and GMO-free
2018-07-17T11:27:55 < Steffanx> ➡️ARROW.com
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2018-07-17T11:45:13 < stvn> hi mate
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2018-07-17T12:24:51 < kakimir> stm32 == vaping
2018-07-17T12:35:45 < kakimir> Hmm
2018-07-17T12:36:03 < kakimir> I send a message to transformer manuf. in alibaba last week
2018-07-17T12:36:12 < kakimir> open work email today
2018-07-17T12:36:35 < kakimir> I have messages from 3 different transformer manufs.
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2018-07-17T12:37:13 < kakimir> I suppose they don't even know what I'm exacty buying
2018-07-17T12:37:23 < kakimir> I'm buing current transformer cores
2018-07-17T12:37:33 < kakimir> custom made
2018-07-17T12:37:52 < kakimir> price is positive suprice
2018-07-17T12:46:42 < Steffanx> Dont you have chinese colleagues to do this for you?
2018-07-17T12:47:18 < kakimir> why would I let them do my job?
2018-07-17T12:47:35 < kakimir> I mean these alibaba sellers speak english
2018-07-17T12:47:40 < kakimir> pretty good english
2018-07-17T12:47:56 < kakimir> besides my chinabuddy is super busy
2018-07-17T12:48:05 < Steffanx> Because they are your colleagues, are in china, have contacts perhaps, speak the language.. want me to continue?
2018-07-17T12:48:28 < kakimir> they don't have products involving current transformers
2018-07-17T12:48:48 < kakimir> also it sometimes takes days to get response from him
2018-07-17T12:49:29 < Steffanx> Id still prefer that over weird alibaba stuff. Especially since you seem to be in the automotive business
2018-07-17T12:49:37 < kakimir> working on my projects is just a peak of iceberg
2018-07-17T12:50:05 < kakimir> he is kindof boss engineer in the factory
2018-07-17T12:52:20 < kakimir> sometimes we might talk of a project one day
2018-07-17T12:52:49 < kakimir> then I ask few questions few days later and he doesn't even remember the project :]
2018-07-17T12:54:46 < Steffanx> Oh hes on par with the average alibaba seller then 
2018-07-17T12:55:27 < stvn> meep meep
2018-07-17T12:56:22 < kakimir> I mean this alibaba seller reply really fast
2018-07-17T12:56:37 < kakimir> I was working at 18:00
2018-07-17T12:56:49 < kakimir> sent him a message
2018-07-17T12:57:12 < kakimir> around 19:00 there had been reply that they "can do"
2018-07-17T12:58:09 < kakimir> next day sent drawings. day after that he replied that they can do and they have done calculations for me
2018-07-17T13:01:04 < stvn> are u getting mad
2018-07-17T13:01:10 < stvn> with your alibaba china
2018-07-17T13:01:15 < kakimir> yes
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2018-07-17T13:01:21 < stvn> hmmm
2018-07-17T13:01:26 < stvn> what did you buy
2018-07-17T13:01:40 < stvn> ~
2018-07-17T13:02:17 < kakimir> I have bought nothing
2018-07-17T13:02:24 < stvn> hmm current transformer ey
2018-07-17T13:02:32 < stvn> i still need the magnetics for my LLC made
2018-07-17T13:10:24 < kakimir> LLC?
2018-07-17T13:10:59 < stvn> a type of resonant forward converter
2018-07-17T13:11:43 < stvn> in the form of half bridge
2018-07-17T13:12:03 < stvn> (for me)
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2018-07-17T13:29:13 < ok9swl> stvn: LLC? hobby or job assigment?
2018-07-17T13:31:14 < stvn> 50/50
2018-07-17T13:31:32 < stvn> foresight into a future project
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2018-07-17T13:32:49 < ok9swl> stvn: ah, ok... just interested
2018-07-17T13:32:54 < stvn> :3
2018-07-17T13:34:38 < ok9swl> stvn: if you will be able reach about 50kW you can contact me as a possible customer :)
2018-07-17T13:35:20 < stvn> i'd be calling CPT in australia
2018-07-17T13:35:47 < stvn> http://www.creativepower.com.au these fuckers would do it
2018-07-17T14:25:13 < Steffanx> CReaTivepower. I see what you did there stvn
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2018-07-17T15:02:30 < dekar> So I've been testing jlink a bit and I noticed it skips parts of the flash that haven't changed. (Supposedly it checks CRC) Do other jtag adapters offer this as well?
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2018-07-17T15:05:24 < jpa-> i don't know any other offering it, and i've been wondering why
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2018-07-17T15:06:26 < zyp> probably because it's not always worthwhile
2018-07-17T15:07:19 < zyp> to know which sectors have changed, you need to read out the current contents
2018-07-17T15:08:00 < zyp> unless you have a lot of unchanged contents, the time spent reading out and comparing takes longer than the time saved on not having to rewrite
2018-07-17T15:08:41 < jpa-> does it really? CRCing whole 1MB flash should not take more than like 100ms, while flashing the same easily takes 5+ seconds
2018-07-17T15:09:25 < jpa-> (of course you'd do it sector-by-sector, but shouldn't affect read speed)
2018-07-17T15:12:33 < zyp> you'd need to run the CRC check on the target in that case
2018-07-17T15:12:46 < jpa-> yeah, like the flash algorithm runs also
2018-07-17T15:12:50 < zyp> yes
2018-07-17T15:13:02 < jpa-> but yeah, that could explain it - more target specific code to write
2018-07-17T15:13:30 < zyp> I'm guessing it also depends on your architecture
2018-07-17T15:13:47 < zyp> gdb protocol doesn't lend itself so well to this optimization
2018-07-17T15:14:21 < zyp> since there's separate erase and write commands
2018-07-17T15:14:45 < zyp> gdb could do it though
2018-07-17T15:14:58 < zyp> there's a crc command in the protocol too, compare-sections uses it
2018-07-17T15:15:15 < jpa-> hm, never knew that gdb commands erase separately
2018-07-17T15:15:31 < zyp> I know from messing around with bmp
2018-07-17T15:16:06 < zyp> when running "load", it'll send a vFlashErase first for the whole area it'll write, then do vFlashWrite
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2018-07-17T15:46:42 < Thorn> how do I a 3d printer cheap
2018-07-17T15:46:53 < Thorn> is this approach viable? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63Ei-H2gQ48
2018-07-17T15:48:25 < Steffanx> Not sure if the ANet stuff is cheaper
2018-07-17T15:48:30 < Steffanx> PaulFertser knows
2018-07-17T15:50:17 < Steffanx> And idk how the quality is either
2018-07-17T16:02:57 < zyp> anet is known for being a fire risk
2018-07-17T16:03:42 < Thorn> I've seen a couple of videos about it and I wouldn't want to pay for their controller lol
2018-07-17T16:04:04 < Thorn> in fact I might do my own controller
2018-07-17T16:04:28 < Thorn> if I manage to write or adapt firmware for it
2018-07-17T16:07:41 < zyp> I'd get some cheap chinese kit if I were going for cheap
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2018-07-17T16:08:42 < zyp> I don't think you're gonna beat those on price
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2018-07-17T16:09:43 < Thorn> most of them seem to have plastic frames
2018-07-17T16:10:00 < zyp> how much is the tevo tarantula?
2018-07-17T16:11:04 < jadew> if I were to get a 3d printer again, I'd still go for the one I have
2018-07-17T16:11:23 < zyp> you got the genuine prusa, right?
2018-07-17T16:11:26 < jadew> yeah
2018-07-17T16:11:41 < jadew> I'm very happy with it
2018-07-17T16:11:58 < zyp> if that fits the budget, sure
2018-07-17T16:12:08 < zyp> but you can get several chinese kits at that price
2018-07-17T16:12:24 < jadew> the few issues it had were my own fault (at assembly time) with the exception of the jerk settings not being sent - that was the slicer
2018-07-17T16:12:38 < zyp> which one did you get? mk2s or mk3?
2018-07-17T16:12:43 < jadew> mk2s
2018-07-17T16:12:49 < zyp> ah
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2018-07-17T16:13:07 < zyp> apparently the mk3 got some issues, according to my pal who got one
2018-07-17T16:13:10 < jadew> mk3 was way over budget
2018-07-17T16:13:16 < jadew> oh, really?
2018-07-17T16:13:26 < jadew> I've been drolling over some of its features tho
2018-07-17T16:13:54 < zyp> not sure if they got sorted out now, but at least it sounds like it's been less reliable than the mk2s
2018-07-17T16:13:56 < jadew> the ability to recover from layer shiefting for example - but that's not an issue anymore since I fixed the jerk settings
2018-07-17T16:14:25 < zyp> recovery is only interesting if you fuck up in the first place
2018-07-17T16:14:27 < jadew> do you remember any of the issues your friend was complaining about?
2018-07-17T16:14:35 < zyp> not in detail
2018-07-17T16:14:37 < jadew> *shifting
2018-07-17T16:14:48 < zyp> but I believe they were commonly known
2018-07-17T16:15:45 < jadew> oh, and I think the best feature of that one is the removable & flexible bed
2018-07-17T16:16:39 < jadew> makes taking prints with a large contact area with the bed real easy
2018-07-17T16:16:55 < jadew> taking them off
2018-07-17T16:17:23 < jadew> Thorn, if you go for a full DIY approach, let me know which frame you buy
2018-07-17T16:17:32 < jadew> I'm on the lookout for a frame too
2018-07-17T16:17:52 < Thorn> if I'm going full DIY shouldn't I make my frame lol
2018-07-17T16:17:57 < jadew> if you find any cheap ones (even very small), let me know
2018-07-17T16:18:11 < jadew> Thorn, semi full :P
2018-07-17T16:18:34 < jadew> not sure it's worth doing your own frame, unless you have the skill
2018-07-17T16:18:44 < jadew> and tools
2018-07-17T16:19:43 < Steffanx> Any printer is a fire risk zyp. So is the tevo you have.
2018-07-17T16:20:01 < Steffanx> And i believe they did fix some stuff of the anet
2018-07-17T16:20:33 < Steffanx> I wantes to say: any (chinese) budget 3d printer
2018-07-17T16:20:38 < Steffanx> Wanted*
2018-07-17T16:21:25 < jadew> where did the reported fires originate?
2018-07-17T16:21:28 < jadew> power supply?
2018-07-17T16:24:23 < Steffanx> One issue was the bed wiring. Or mainly a bad connector on the controller
2018-07-17T16:25:19 < Steffanx> And disabled thermal run out protected
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2018-07-17T16:25:28 < Steffanx> And.. google knows it all
2018-07-17T16:26:07 < bitmask> good morning sir
2018-07-17T16:26:15 < Steffanx> Lo mr.
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2018-07-17T16:27:58 < Steffanx> But perhaps the anet a8 is the worst of it all.
2018-07-17T16:29:45 < Thorn> are they using the same hotend/extruder/whatever or not?
2018-07-17T16:32:52 < zyp> they are all using cheap shit, at least
2018-07-17T16:36:54 < Thorn> filament seems expensive btw, $100 / 3 kg :/
2018-07-17T16:37:13 < PaulFertser> zyp: fire risk is due to them disabling "heater decoupled" protection in firmware, plus lack of wire strain reliefs for the heated bed. But I doubt one can can all of that proper building him or herself with any other china kit. And for anet it's all documented on reprap wiki already.
2018-07-17T16:38:02 < PaulFertser> Thorn: fdplast.ru
2018-07-17T16:38:57 < PaulFertser> jadew: I do not seem to have any issues with the original power supply but I have a big fan on it.
2018-07-17T16:42:26 < Thorn> thanks
2018-07-17T16:43:46 < PaulFertser> acrylic frames are shit but so are cheap metal options like wanhao i3. If you have access to proper materials and tools and want it cheap, build your own frame.
2018-07-17T16:45:09 < PaulFertser> And most 3d printers are shitty anyway, no wonder one can add a filament extruder to a mill but not the other way round.
2018-07-17T16:46:53 < PaulFertser> Regarding the other options, I liked the idea of using a standard 19" metal rack with a glass front door, and fixing parts of the frame to it.
2018-07-17T16:48:13 < PaulFertser> That way you get: frame sturdiness, ABS-friendly enclosure, fire safety all-in-one.
2018-07-17T16:49:14 < Thorn> like a telecom cabinet?
2018-07-17T16:49:23 < PaulFertser> Yes, exactly that.
2018-07-17T16:50:39 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I think I might get much less Z-wobble if I change the "springy" couplers to "oldham" but I'm yet to try. Any idea why "oldham" design is not common for that part?
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2018-07-17T16:52:08 < Steffanx> Oh idk PaulFertser im not really into mechanical stuff
2018-07-17T16:53:29 < PaulFertser> Overall, my impression re anet a8 after an almost a year is that the kit was worth it. Good bang for the buck with a number of sane upgrade pathes.
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2018-07-17T17:00:28 < bitmask> where do I find good gt2 belts
2018-07-17T17:04:40 < PaulFertser> My EEPROM tells this anet did 905m of filament, I guess that means I'm a newb but that's still some experience to consider.
2018-07-17T17:05:05 < Thorn> how many m/kg
2018-07-17T17:05:37 < Thorn> for 1.75mm filament (I assume)
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2018-07-17T17:11:36 < Steffanx> I believe 1kg is about 300-330m
2018-07-17T17:11:41 < PaulFertser> That's mostly ABS so about 1.05g / cm^3 so about 2.3kg
2018-07-17T17:11:41 < Steffanx> For 1.75mm
2018-07-17T17:11:48 < Steffanx> For pla that is
2018-07-17T17:12:07 < Steffanx> Oh abs:P
2018-07-17T17:12:09 < PaulFertser> (1.75/2*10^-3)^2*3.14*905 * 10^6 * 1.05
2018-07-17T17:14:20 < Thorn> abs is actually cheaper than pla
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2018-07-17T17:19:45 < PaulFertser> So far I tried ABS, SBS glass, PLA, nylon (trimmer line).
2018-07-17T17:20:56 < PaulFertser> I wonder when should I expect the shitty stock belts and other mechanical parts failing?
2018-07-17T17:21:38 < Thorn> how reliable are China steppers?
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2018-07-17T17:39:25 < Steffanx> Doesnt everyone and its grandma use china steppers?
2018-07-17T17:39:43 < Steffanx> I think theyre not that bad. 
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2018-07-17T17:45:01 < Laurenceb____> muh spaceport
2018-07-17T17:46:02 < Laurenceb____> muh spaceport Loicenses for all the places, 4 uk space domination
2018-07-17T17:47:17 < Laurenceb____> >be britbong >ur house gets bulldozed by Richard Branson to build his spaceport
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2018-07-17T17:51:12 < zyp> I fucking hate TI HalCoGen
2018-07-17T17:51:50 < karlp> still loving the cortex-r adventure I take it?
2018-07-17T17:52:44 < zyp> yeah
2018-07-17T17:55:12 < zyp> oh well, got stuff sorted out
2018-07-17T17:58:22 < Steffanx> I love TI ware. Code composer studio <3
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2018-07-17T17:59:55 < Laurenceb____> code composter
2018-07-17T18:00:13 < Laurenceb____> I hate IDEs
2018-07-17T18:00:26 < Laurenceb____> latest Qt creator is almost usable
2018-07-17T18:02:22 < Laurenceb____> methlab is still cancer
2018-07-17T18:09:37 < kakimir> code imposter
2018-07-17T18:13:31 < zyp> I've stopped using code composter studio
2018-07-17T18:14:29 < zyp> first I stopped using the makefile generation, then I stopped using the debugger stuff (since the jlink plugin didn't work properly)
2018-07-17T18:14:44 < zyp> and once I were left using it only as an editor, I just switched to a better editor
2018-07-17T18:29:44 < Rickta59> which editor is that, the only redeeming feature I find in CCS is the code completion and code indexing
2018-07-17T18:33:00 < Rickta59> @zyp
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2018-07-17T18:35:42 < Laurenceb____> lul these weirdos are in the uk now https://mobile.twitter.com/British_Fight
2018-07-17T18:35:51 < Laurenceb____> >follow the white rabbit
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2018-07-17T18:38:22 < Thorn> zyp: but you're still using their compiler, correct?
2018-07-17T18:38:45 < zyp> yes
2018-07-17T18:38:58 < Thorn> does it support c++42?
2018-07-17T18:39:06 < zyp> doesn't matter, project is C
2018-07-17T18:39:59 < Thorn> their C28 compiler is stuck @ c++03
2018-07-17T18:40:33 < zyp> might having to get some safety certifications or shit later, so I'm trying to keep it plain enough that it wouldn't be a major task to refactor it to miserable C later if required
2018-07-17T18:41:01 < Thorn> lol miserable C
2018-07-17T18:44:37 < Laurenceb____> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-44861508
2018-07-17T18:44:40 < Laurenceb____> my sides
2018-07-17T18:46:10 < Laurenceb____> >Ms Pomiateeva    immigrant waifu
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2018-07-17T19:21:24 < kakimir> incredibly hot
2018-07-17T19:21:36 < kakimir> !wz Oulu
2018-07-17T19:21:41 < englishbot> [Oulu, Finland] Clear. Temp is 31.5°C.
2018-07-17T19:21:54 < kakimir> I think I go to sleep to beach
2018-07-17T19:21:57 < kakimir> sun is still high
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2018-07-17T19:38:51 < antto> !wz varna
2018-07-17T19:38:53 < englishbot> [Varna, Bulgaria] Scattered Clouds. Temp is 27.7°C. WSW wind: 3.2 kph.
2018-07-17T19:39:04 < antto> moar wind pls
2018-07-17T19:46:17 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-07-17T19:46:18 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 24.8°C. Humidity: 57%.
2018-07-17T19:46:23 < Steffanx> Lies.
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2018-07-17T20:14:26 < vampi-the-frog> !wz my butt
2018-07-17T20:14:27 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-07-17T20:15:05 < invzim> !wz oslo
2018-07-17T20:15:06 < englishbot> [Oslo, Norway] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 31°C. SW wind: 7 kph.
2018-07-17T20:15:12 < invzim> niiice
2018-07-17T20:15:36 < upgrdman> 31c? i thought norway was supposed to be a frozen shithole
2018-07-17T20:16:12 < invzim> this summer has so far been fantastic
2018-07-17T20:16:34 < invzim> if it was like this all the time + cheaper restaurants and alcohol, it would be a perfect place to live
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2018-07-17T20:18:10 < zyp> invzim, it's too fucking hot :p
2018-07-17T20:19:18 < Steffanx> Indeed.
2018-07-17T20:19:29 < Steffanx> Everything above 23C sucks.
2018-07-17T20:19:46 < Steffanx> I prefer ~20
2018-07-17T20:19:51 < BrainDamage> humidity here is below 30
2018-07-17T20:19:52 < BrainDamage> it feels fantastic
2018-07-17T20:20:32 < Steffanx> and 30C?
2018-07-17T20:24:23 < BrainDamage> 34
2018-07-17T20:24:37 < Steffanx> oops
2018-07-17T20:24:59 < BrainDamage> it still feels fantastic compared to 35°C and 70% humidity
2018-07-17T20:25:24 < BrainDamage> at least I don't feel like I am being slowly steam cooked anymore
2018-07-17T20:25:36 < kakimir> I feel like dying
2018-07-17T20:25:47 < kakimir> hot, no sleep, hungry
2018-07-17T20:26:03 < BrainDamage> I tought finns were used to saunas
2018-07-17T20:27:06 < Rickta59> i have a strange thing going on using DMA + TIM2 and its interaction with USART2 .. I'm trying to USE PA2 as TIM2_CH3 and DMA_Channel1 ...
2018-07-17T20:27:25 < Rickta59> my approach has been to turn on all the peripheral clocks at the beginning
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2018-07-17T20:27:41 < Rickta59> however if I leave the USART2 enabled .. my DMA fails to work properly
2018-07-17T20:27:54 < Rickta59> if i diasble the USART2 RCC clock it works fine 
2018-07-17T20:27:58 < Rickta59> is that normal?
2018-07-17T20:28:37 < Rickta59> PA2 is USART2 TX
2018-07-17T20:28:45 < Rickta59> but also TIM1_CH2
2018-07-17T20:28:59 < Rickta59> sorry TIM2_CH3
2018-07-17T20:29:21 < upgrdman> iirc a pin can only have one AF
2018-07-17T20:29:47 < upgrdman> like, the AF setting controls a mux
2018-07-17T20:30:10 < Rickta59> PA3 works fine with the USART2 RCC clock on .. and it is USART2 RX
2018-07-17T20:30:42 < upgrdman> on f051 im 99% sure a pin can only have one AF, since the AF setting is configure per pin, not per periph
2018-07-17T20:30:44 < Rickta59> PA3 is TIM2_CH4 
2018-07-17T20:31:09 < upgrdman> ok well good luck. maybe someone else can chime in.
2018-07-17T20:31:13 < Rickta59> yeah the F1 alternate io is different than everything else
2018-07-17T20:31:18 < upgrdman> k
2018-07-17T20:31:30 < Rickta59> everything makes a lot more sense
2018-07-17T20:31:36 < Rickta59> everything else
2018-07-17T20:31:42 < Rickta59> and a lot more sane
2018-07-17T20:32:04 < Rickta59> but I'm not using any pins that aren't using the default AFIO settings
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2018-07-17T20:35:03 < englishman> ➡️.com
2018-07-17T20:39:05 < Laurenceb____> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/assets/45824.0/1500459.jpg
2018-07-17T20:39:08 < Laurenceb____> my sides
2018-07-17T20:40:06 < englishman> em:drone
2018-07-17T20:41:06 < Steffanx> so did you get some innovation mr englishman?
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2018-07-17T20:44:24 < englishman> I don't see any here
2018-07-17T20:44:28 < englishman> just piss
2018-07-17T20:44:32 < englishman> and human feces
2018-07-17T20:44:45 < englishman> and tie-dye shirts
2018-07-17T20:45:33 < englishman> the big corp HQs look like boring office buildings
2018-07-17T20:46:26 < Steffanx> heh
2018-07-17T20:47:59 < englishman> there's only one cat café and it's closed
2018-07-17T20:48:40 < Steffanx> I dont want sound grumpy, but: Fuck cat cafés
2018-07-17T20:51:18 < englishman> racist
2018-07-17T20:52:55 < Steffanx> You do have a shooting range for sure.
2018-07-17T20:53:00 < Steffanx> better get some shots fired
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2018-07-17T21:26:30 < con3> Does the stm32f7 have a max capacity for usd that it can communicate with. Like 16GB?
2018-07-17T21:29:18 < jpa-> i wouldn't expect there to be any hardware limit, it would depend on the driver you use
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2018-07-17T21:35:35 < con3> jpa-: Thank you! Seen some weird forum posts saying its limited to 8GB, but just saw confirmation on the stm forum that it can do up to 2TB. ew
2018-07-17T21:35:47 < con3> weird things that can be found in forums..
2018-07-17T21:36:04 < Rickta59> yeah irc is so much more reliable :)
2018-07-17T21:36:25 < jpa-> well maybe that forum user just used some code that has 8GB limit
2018-07-17T21:36:45 < con3> Rickta59: I feel like you guys know a lot more than me, so generally ask here, when I see something weird :)
2018-07-17T21:37:07 < con3> Yeah, it was a reply to a question that said stm is limited, which was weird
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2018-07-17T21:38:05 < Cracki> what is "capacity for usd"
2018-07-17T21:38:15 < jpa-> microsd
2018-07-17T21:38:27 < Cracki> ic
2018-07-17T21:38:31 < Cracki> form factor irrelevant
2018-07-17T21:39:05 < Cracki> any capacity limits would have been imposed by the standard (sd, sdhc, sdxc, ...)
2018-07-17T21:40:10 < Steffanx> That's why i love ##stm32. Totally incorrect, but always correct.
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2018-07-17T21:41:46 < jpa-> STM32F7 QSPI memory support is limited to 256MB or 4GB though, but it doesn't support SD cards anyway
2018-07-17T21:42:25 < con3> I'll see if I can find that forum post, there were a few. But It's definetly not true
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2018-07-17T21:46:54 < jpa-> though the STM32F7 manual indeed does only claim compliance up to SD standard 2.0, which only specifies up to 32GB; but i'd expect SDXC would work with proper software support anyway (the exFAT shit could be annoying, though)
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2018-07-17T21:53:52 < Steffanx> zyp, awake and around?
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2018-07-17T21:54:14 < Steffanx> In your arcin you use some custom/vendor specific usage page. but what is "usage(0xb007),"?
2018-07-17T21:56:30 < Steffanx> or is that just some random number you made up and done use anywhere
2018-07-17T22:03:27 < Cracki> right, sw support can fix almost anything concerning SD speeds and capacities. it's just a driver poking some "general" purpose I/O peripheral, not a fixed-function peripheral.
2018-07-17T22:10:11 < Cracki> ok ok, SDXC does some fancy shit like sampling on both edges and running at 100 MHz...
2018-07-17T22:12:04 < Cracki> wew some F7 have a double precision FPU
2018-07-17T22:14:09 < Cracki> this here says... https://www.st.com/resource/en/datasheet/stm32f765bg.pdf
2018-07-17T22:14:30 < Cracki> >up to 50 MHz, 1-bit and 4-bit, SDMMC Card Spec v2.0
2018-07-17T22:14:40 < Cracki> so *maybe* not ready for >32 GB
2018-07-17T22:15:07 < Cracki> would be surprised though if it couldn't be made to speak the right protocol
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2018-07-17T22:39:53 < Adluc> Hello guys, automatic lawn mowers have a wire buried in specified area, where both ends are connected to the dock, does anyone know the name of the ICs/technology/manufacturer?
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2018-07-17T22:45:49 < Cracki> open it up
2018-07-17T22:46:13 < Cracki> you're asking for *specific* IC numbers for lawn mowers *in general*?
2018-07-17T22:46:43 < Cracki> it's gonna be a charge controller for whatever battery is used
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2018-07-17T22:57:01 < Steffanx> He is talking about the fencing/border mechanism. Probably some RF signal, but no clue what is used exactly.
2018-07-17T22:58:22 < Steffanx> -no clue.
2018-07-17T22:58:28 < Steffanx> +not sure
2018-07-17T23:01:34 < Cracki> ah
2018-07-17T23:01:40 < Cracki> plausible
2018-07-17T23:01:54 < Cracki> some use reed switches, you can fence them in using magnet tape
2018-07-17T23:03:09 < bvernoux> Hello
2018-07-17T23:03:50 < bvernoux> I have just seen the announcement of STM32H750 low cost STM32H7
2018-07-17T23:04:00 < bvernoux> amazing as it cost about < 7USD per unit
2018-07-17T23:04:19 < bvernoux> compared to some STM32F405 which still cost > 15USD per unit ...
2018-07-17T23:07:00 < Thorn> https://lcsc.com/product-detail/ST-Microelectronics_STMicroelectronics_STM32F407VET6_STM32F407VET6_C28730.html
2018-07-17T23:07:35 < Thorn> bought it recently too for my lora gateway project
2018-07-17T23:09:26 < bvernoux> You can replace it by STM32H750 for same price and 2x faster ... ;)
2018-07-17T23:10:26 < Thorn> that <$7 cost is probably ST budgetary cost. iirc for f407ve it's about $5
2018-07-17T23:10:46 < Steffanx> have you seen real prices bvernoux?
2018-07-17T23:10:53 < Thorn> c00be shows it in its selection window
2018-07-17T23:10:56 < PaulFertser> Thorn: have you considered DIYing something like https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1001065 ?
2018-07-17T23:11:03 < bvernoux> yes on mouser & digikey ;)
2018-07-17T23:11:06 < Steffanx> And no "STM says they will costs $7"-prices?
2018-07-17T23:11:07 < Steffanx> ah ok
2018-07-17T23:11:58 < bvernoux> 5.5USD / 100unit STM32H750VBT6 
2018-07-17T23:12:08 < bvernoux> 7.34USD / 1unit
2018-07-17T23:12:53 < bvernoux> STM32F407VET6 => 11.41USD / 1unit ;)
2018-07-17T23:12:57 < Steffanx> $550 approximate cost oops, PaulFertser
2018-07-17T23:13:04 < Steffanx> that's more than i expected
2018-07-17T23:13:32 < bvernoux> SO I confirm the STM32H750 is less expensive and better on all aspect for same pinout
2018-07-17T23:13:38 < bvernoux> IIRC it is pinout compatible also
2018-07-17T23:13:40 < kakimir> I'm sweating out of my pants
2018-07-17T23:13:55 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: seems to be kicking ass though, probably worth the price.
2018-07-17T23:14:10 < bvernoux> even if you do not need 400MHz clock everything is better on STM32H7 architecture periph/DMA vs STM32F7 ...
2018-07-17T23:14:13 < Thorn> PaulFertser: nope haven't seen it yet
2018-07-17T23:14:43 < bvernoux> so it is a big thumb up for ST 
2018-07-17T23:14:49 < PaulFertser> Or https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2254103
2018-07-17T23:14:51 < bvernoux> I dream about that since so much time
2018-07-17T23:15:20 < Thorn> Steffanx: I hope I can get aluminium profile locally for ~cheap, it should reduce the cost
2018-07-17T23:15:39 < PaulFertser> Haha, I can upgrade mine to https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2786292
2018-07-17T23:15:43 < Cracki> where is locally?
2018-07-17T23:15:46 < Steffanx> i would almost repurpose my cr-10 to build that PaulFertser.
2018-07-17T23:16:20 < Cracki> any city in any western country will have at least a few companies (re)selling alu profiles
2018-07-17T23:16:25 < Steffanx> Russialand is locally, Cracki
2018-07-17T23:16:54 < Cracki> in soviet russia aluminium profiles you!
2018-07-17T23:17:05 < Steffanx> that or twitter trolls
2018-07-17T23:17:15 < Thorn> actually maybe even stainless steel profile
2018-07-17T23:19:36 < Cracki> never assume that profiles have been cut at exactly 90 degrees
2018-07-17T23:21:14 < Thorn> I'll have to cut them myself so 90±10° lol
2018-07-17T23:23:42 < bvernoux> it is still not clear if the STM32H7xx have USB HS PHY ;)
2018-07-17T23:23:43 < Cracki> put in a lathe
2018-07-17T23:23:48 < Cracki> then at least it'll be symmetric
2018-07-17T23:23:54 < bvernoux> I will say probably not or with ULPI
2018-07-17T23:25:01 < Thorn> maybe you also want a builtin ethernet phy lol
2018-07-17T23:26:00 < bvernoux> no just HS USB ;)
2018-07-17T23:32:42 < PaulFertser> Square "tubes" + anet parts core-xy: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2849015
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2018-07-17T23:38:26 < jadew> does anyone know from the top of their head what the ebay + paypal fees are for selling?
2018-07-17T23:39:25 < upgrdman> anyone used MPLAB Code Configurator?
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2018-07-17T23:40:50 < upgrdman> for dma config, you obviously need to specify the source and destination addresses. it seems to only take a hex number. any way to do something like "&tx_buffer[0]" or "&U1TXREG" instead? or how to find the memory address of U1TXREG? i dont see it in the ref man :/
2018-07-17T23:41:18 < upgrdman> i manually edited the generated code and it works, but it'd be nice if i could figure out how to do it through the tool properly :)
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2018-07-17T23:44:44 < jadew> 10% god...
2018-07-17T23:44:49 < jadew> that's ebay
2018-07-17T23:46:33 < jadew> 2.9% + 30c paypal
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2018-07-17T23:49:44 < jadew> ok... so I guess I just launched my page and I have a product \o/
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2018-07-17T23:51:04 < jadew> was hoping to have more, but I'm happy to just be open for business
2018-07-17T23:51:30 < jadew> and the site is not ready yet, but it's functional
2018-07-17T23:54:02 < vampi-the-frog> nice job
2018-07-17T23:54:13 < vampi-the-frog> when do we get to see it
2018-07-17T23:54:23 < jadew> yeah, now I hope my strategy to compete with the chinese product will work
2018-07-17T23:54:32 < jadew> http://cojotech.com/
2018-07-17T23:54:38 < jadew> ah fuck
2018-07-17T23:54:41 < jadew> I forgot to get SSL
2018-07-17T23:54:46 < jadew> I guess it's not ready
2018-07-17T23:54:58 < jadew> damn it, there's always something
2018-07-17T23:55:47 < invzim> jadew: how/where do you host - is it a linux system?
2018-07-17T23:55:54 < jadew> invzim, yeah, why?
2018-07-17T23:55:59 < jadew> I host at home
2018-07-17T23:56:02 < invzim> I put ssl on my page recently
2018-07-17T23:56:14 < invzim> as in a few months back
2018-07-17T23:56:17 < invzim> holdon
2018-07-17T23:56:26 < jadew> got a cheap source? :)
2018-07-17T23:56:31 < invzim> yes
2018-07-17T23:56:38 < jadew> thanks
2018-07-17T23:57:07 < invzim> https://pypi.org/project/certbot/
2018-07-17T23:57:20 < jadew> thanks, checking it
2018-07-17T23:57:23 < jadew> got any complaints?
2018-07-17T23:57:41 < invzim> hm, I actually got it as a rpm
2018-07-17T23:58:25 < invzim> anyho - just plain letsencrypt, and this thingie automatically set up apache
2018-07-17T23:58:54 < jadew> I'm not using apache
2018-07-17T23:59:11 < vampi-the-frog> your images are broken
2018-07-17T23:59:14 < vampi-the-frog> the host is cjt
2018-07-17T23:59:16 < invzim> https://certbot.eff.org/
2018-07-17T23:59:30 < jadew> vampi-the-frog, thanks, looking now
--- Day changed Wed Jul 18 2018
2018-07-18T00:00:05 < jadew> vampi-the-frog, fixed?
2018-07-18T00:00:15 < vampi-the-frog> yeah 
2018-07-18T00:00:34 < jadew> hmm I still see that host in the source
2018-07-18T00:00:36 < vampi-the-frog> so on the detail page there is one more broken image
2018-07-18T00:01:08 < jadew> yep, that's fixed too
2018-07-18T00:01:43 < vampi-the-frog> ok
2018-07-18T00:01:50 < vampi-the-frog> favicon is white square
2018-07-18T00:02:03 < vampi-the-frog> also, is Cojo short for Cojones?
2018-07-18T00:02:04 < jadew> I don't have a favicon yet
2018-07-18T00:02:23 < jadew> lol, no
2018-07-18T00:02:32 < jadew> but I like it
2018-07-18T00:03:21 < jadew> goes without saying, if anyone here wants what I sell, I'll give you a big discount
2018-07-18T00:04:21 < vampi-the-frog> why the discount?
2018-07-18T00:04:23 < jadew> invzim, what do you use your site for?
2018-07-18T00:04:26 < vampi-the-frog> http://img.vampi.tech/8e380e9e.png
2018-07-18T00:04:40 < invzim> https://irkenlabs.com/
2018-07-18T00:04:49 < jadew> vampi-the-frog, thanks, but I can't use that for an icon, it looks like the wifi icon
2018-07-18T00:05:03 < jadew> I actually have a square version of the logo, but I think it needs more processing
2018-07-18T00:05:08 < invzim> jadew: same as you, soon, I hope :)
2018-07-18T00:05:26 < jadew> heh
2018-07-18T00:05:45 < jadew> well, my browser didn't complain
2018-07-18T00:05:50 < invzim> I should update my about page, my desk has more impressive stuffs on it now :)
2018-07-18T00:05:54 < jadew> but I have 5 more to test it with :)
2018-07-18T00:06:05 < vampi-the-frog> http://img.vampi.tech/16974295.png
2018-07-18T00:06:19 < jadew> invzim, love the microscope arm, looks very useful
2018-07-18T00:06:46 < invzim> jadew: I'm happy with it
2018-07-18T00:06:54 < jadew> vampi-the-frog, not bad, thanks!
2018-07-18T00:07:03 < invzim> not fantastic for video, but I suspect that's the desk/floor
2018-07-18T00:07:05 < jadew> I may use it, at least until I get the other one going
2018-07-18T00:08:28 < vampi-the-frog> I am so into those small OLED displays
2018-07-18T00:08:41 < jadew> yeah, they're pretty cool
2018-07-18T00:08:50 < vampi-the-frog> ok gotta go good nite
2018-07-18T00:08:54 < jadew> night
2018-07-18T00:08:55 < vampi-the-frog> good luck with your thing
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2018-07-18T00:11:09 < jadew> invzim, looks like those certificates are good
2018-07-18T00:11:18 < jadew> thanks a lot
2018-07-18T00:13:00 < invzim> yeah it works well, just try the certbot thingie
2018-07-18T00:14:03 < jadew> that project is fantastic
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2018-07-18T00:20:59 < zyp> Steffanx, 0xb007 kinda looks like «boot»
2018-07-18T00:21:06 < zyp> I use it for bootloader control messages
2018-07-18T00:21:38 < Steffanx> Oh so its kinda just a random usage id.
2018-07-18T00:21:48 < BrainDamage> 0xb00b15
2018-07-18T00:22:07 < Steffanx> Id only that was 16 bit
2018-07-18T00:22:10 < Steffanx> If.
2018-07-18T00:23:28 < Steffanx> You dont check for the usage stuff, so i was wondering if it was something special i couldnt figure out zyp :P
2018-07-18T00:23:45 < zyp> you have it the wrong way around
2018-07-18T00:24:11 < zyp> firmware doesn't give a fuck about usages, the usages are in the descriptor that the host is parsing
2018-07-18T00:24:27 < zyp> the report descriptor tells the host what is where in each of the reports
2018-07-18T00:25:10 < Thorn> zyp: do you have your own 3d printer firmware? is it open source?
2018-07-18T00:25:23 < zyp> the boot usage is in the feature report, so the contents of that is handled by set_feature_report()
2018-07-18T00:25:48 < Steffanx> Yeah, sure zyp. I was actually referring to the host app. You could check the usage studf right?
2018-07-18T00:26:11 < zyp> ah, yeah
2018-07-18T00:26:27 < zyp> hidapi doesn't give a shit about the report descriptors either, it's giving you the entire blob
2018-07-18T00:26:28 < Steffanx> And i was mainly wondering what it meant, but "boot" makes sense.
2018-07-18T00:26:34 < zyp> and since I know the layout, I just hardcode for it
2018-07-18T00:26:56 < zyp> Thorn, yes and probably
2018-07-18T00:27:21 < zyp> it's not published anywhere yet, it's currently mostly a pile of mess
2018-07-18T00:27:44 < Thorn> I'm thinking about doing my own controller & firmware
2018-07-18T00:28:12 < zyp> what is going to distinguish your firmware from all the others?
2018-07-18T00:28:53 < Thorn> does it require any hairy dsp or motion optimization or is it all in g-code?
2018-07-18T00:29:05 < Thorn> it's going to be mine lol
2018-07-18T00:30:21 < zyp> gcode only contains coordinates and speeds, you have to do the math on acceleration/deceleration
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2018-07-18T00:34:55 < zyp> Thorn, the design goal of my firmware is to build a distributed system
2018-07-18T00:35:14 < Cracki> Zyp Cloud Print
2018-07-18T00:35:29 < Cracki> *Zyyple
2018-07-18T00:35:33 < zyp> I don't like having one huge board with a ton of wires running out to moving parts all over the printer
2018-07-18T00:35:48 < Cracki> modularization is the engineer's approach
2018-07-18T00:36:11 < Cracki> programmers don't like communication, which is why they want to stuff everything into a single processor
2018-07-18T00:36:21 < zyp> I'd rather want to have one board on the base for static stuff and one board on the printhead for moving stuff, and then just run power and usb to each board
2018-07-18T00:37:32 < zyp> so I have a two-part architecture where host code in python parses gcode and does a bunch of computation and planning, and then it sends cooked motion blocks to each microcontroller for execution
2018-07-18T00:38:52 < zyp> that way the microcontroller code gets fairly thin, and the host code can be done in a language that's more comfortable to parse text in
2018-07-18T00:40:16 < zyp> after I started, I discovered klipper, which takes a similar but less sophisticated approach
2018-07-18T00:40:19 < zyp> https://github.com/KevinOConnor/klipper
2018-07-18T00:41:30 < jadew> invzim, works like magic
2018-07-18T00:41:33 < jadew> thanks again!
2018-07-18T00:42:49 < zyp> klipper seems to aim to be more generic, so it's using a serial-based protocol, and synchronizing multiple controllers works by having the host monitor each controller's clock and compensate for drift
2018-07-18T00:43:45 < zyp> my firmware is using protobuf over usb, and I'll have multiple controllers synced to USB SOF
2018-07-18T00:46:01 < zyp> klipper is also targetting existing boards, it seems meant as an improved solution for existing hardware
2018-07-18T00:46:09 < zyp> I'm aiming to make custom hardware
2018-07-18T00:46:27 < zyp> but currently I'm running with steval-3dp001v1 for prototyping
2018-07-18T00:52:34 < karlp> Rickta59: you wre having this pa2/pa3 problem on f1 right?
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2018-07-18T01:03:40 < jadew> zyp, still working on the firmware?
2018-07-18T01:04:00 < zyp> haven't touched in some weeks now
2018-07-18T01:04:05 < jadew> (not that I'm expecting it to be ready, just asking if you paused it for something else)
2018-07-18T01:04:31 < zyp> not sure if you saw the last prints
2018-07-18T01:04:36 < jadew> was wondering about that, since you haven't posted any new benchies
2018-07-18T01:04:38 < zyp> dual extruder ones
2018-07-18T01:04:43 < jadew> with the benchy? yeah
2018-07-18T01:04:48 < jadew> those were pretty neat
2018-07-18T01:05:22 < zyp> at this point, I think it's mainly tuning required to make it print decently
2018-07-18T01:05:58 < zyp> and I'm not really all that keen on spending time tuning it for the tarantula hardware
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2018-07-18T01:06:10 < jadew> makes sense
2018-07-18T01:07:53 < zyp> I'm waiting for the e3d toolchanger, although I'm not sure I can afford it when it comes out
2018-07-18T01:08:07 < zyp> or rather, I'm not sure I want to spend the money for it
2018-07-18T01:08:20 < jadew> what's that for?
2018-07-18T01:08:39 < zyp> https://e3d-online.com/blog/2018/03/21/tool-changer-q/
2018-07-18T01:09:05 < zyp> looks like a pretty nice platform
2018-07-18T01:09:41 < jadew> yeah
2018-07-18T01:09:47 < Thorn> are there an extruder options other than e3d v5/v6? aliexpress is full of them, especially v5
2018-07-18T01:10:28 < zyp> aliexpress are full of shit they call e3d v5/v6 but is not
2018-07-18T01:11:11 < zyp> some of them are probably fairly decent clones, but don't read too much into just the name
2018-07-18T01:13:08 < zyp> also, that's a hotend, not an extruder
2018-07-18T01:13:45 < jadew> do you need a business account on ebay in order to sell your company's products?
2018-07-18T01:16:47 < jadew> hmm, I don't think you need to pay a monthly fee for that
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2018-07-18T01:18:12 < stvn> United States of uhhh merica
2018-07-18T01:41:37 < zyp> Thorn, by the way, if you will be designing hardware, I might be interested if it's suitable to run my firmware on
2018-07-18T01:41:39 < invzim> todays lesson learned, changing a functions return from uint32_t to uint64_t requires a prototype
2018-07-18T01:41:49 < invzim> or gcc will do stupid stuff
2018-07-18T01:42:07 < zyp> wat
2018-07-18T01:42:48 < Thorn> zyp: I understand you want 2 pcbs per printer, both with usb?
2018-07-18T01:43:01 < Thorn> why usb on both of them
2018-07-18T01:44:01 < stvn> Printed shit
2018-07-18T01:44:15 < zyp> 1, 2, 15, doesn't make a difference to the pcb
2018-07-18T01:45:59 < Thorn> so they're identical?
2018-07-18T01:46:49 < zyp> they could be, but that wouldn't be very practical
2018-07-18T01:48:07 < zyp> logically, each board will declare how many steppers, heater outputs, temperature sensors, etc… it supports, and host will discover all boards and see all resources available across all boards
2018-07-18T01:49:19 < Thorn> that sounds like they could use my rs-485 protocol lol (somewhat like canopen but simpler)
2018-07-18T01:49:37 < Thorn> it supports function discovery
2018-07-18T01:50:28 < karlp> why use that when they could use usb? :)
2018-07-18T01:50:47 < zyp> USB is cheap (pretty much all relevant microcontrollers already contains a phy), fast and has built in synchronization features (broadcasted SOF tokens) and doesn't need any special interface on the host
2018-07-18T01:51:32 < zyp> so on a logical sense, host can talk to each single board directly
2018-07-18T01:53:08 < zyp> physically, I'm probably gonna put a usb hub on the base board, with a bunch of custom connectors containing usb signals and high power for the other boards, so they can each be hooked up with a single cable
2018-07-18T01:53:33 < zyp> so physically everything will pass through the hub on the base board, but logically all devices are equivalent
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2018-07-18T01:55:18 < Thorn> what about operation without a PC?
2018-07-18T01:55:19 < zyp> but the final hardware I'll deal with at a later stage, for now I can prototype the firmware on anything with usb and an appropriate mcu
2018-07-18T01:55:57 < zyp> I've thought about adding a SBC/SOM socket to the hub board
2018-07-18T01:57:50 < zyp> orange pi zero plus has usb on headers, so if it's powerful enough to run the host code, it would be a pretty cheap solution
2018-07-18T02:00:25 < zyp> either way, the plan is to have the host stuff running on some sort of ARM device that can dedicate a bus to talk to the various boards, that way I figure USB latency would be pretty deterministic, 
2018-07-18T02:01:33 < zyp> which affects how short time in advance I can schedule stuff at to make sure all devices receives their commands in time
2018-07-18T02:08:30 < karlp> why use that when they could use usb? :)
2018-07-18T02:08:36 < karlp> sorry, up/enter in the wrong wineow
2018-07-18T02:10:33 < zyp> Thorn, I'm going to bed now, but I'd like to hear more about your plans later if you don't mind
2018-07-18T02:10:45 < Thorn> sure
2018-07-18T02:11:09 < Thorn> I think I'm going to try this project
2018-07-18T02:11:38 < Thorn> with custom hardware and all
2018-07-18T02:11:44 < zyp> and if you're planning to have hardware ready before me, I'd probably want a copy to run my own code on
2018-07-18T02:12:15 < zyp> the steval board is cute enough, but I'd like to try alternate stepper drivers as well
2018-07-18T02:12:25 < zyp> put any thought into which you'd be going for?
2018-07-18T02:12:38 < zyp> trinamic seems to have decent stuff
2018-07-18T02:13:16 < zyp> anyway, bedtime, let's discuss this later
2018-07-18T02:13:17 < Thorn> nope no idea about stepper drivers yet, need to research
2018-07-18T02:13:36 < Thorn> ok  night
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2018-07-18T02:39:22 < kakimir> https://imgur.com/a/ExwN0iK
2018-07-18T02:39:55 < kakimir> tesla battery modules in toyota previa
2018-07-18T02:58:18 < kakimir> https://voiceofniagara.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/canada-china-flag1.jpg your flag?
2018-07-18T02:58:23 < kakimir> englishman: 
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2018-07-18T02:59:05 < kakimir> I saw nice one with maple leaf on place of the bigest star
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2018-07-18T03:20:52 < Thorn> lol https://youtu.be/TxIxcABYvZI?t=6m34s
2018-07-18T03:21:20 < Thorn> make:r quality hardware
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2018-07-18T04:06:02 < capacitor> Altium
2018-07-18T04:07:33 < capacitor> remove necks when cooper width less than
2018-07-18T04:07:38 < capacitor> cooper
2018-07-18T04:09:07 < capacitor> i wonder what cooper is
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2018-07-18T04:36:29 < upgrdman> good job korea   https://i.redd.it/zrwipb5npla11.jpg
2018-07-18T04:36:48 < upgrdman> Haeshindang Park
2018-07-18T04:45:36 < Thorn> Your access to the information in this document is conditional upon your acceptance that you will not use or permit others to use the information for the purposes of determining whether implementations infringe any third party patents.
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2018-07-18T05:04:18 < capacitor> Haesindang Park (해신당 공원), also called Penis Park, is a park located on the east coast of South Korea, in a small town called Sinnam, about 20 kilometres (12 mi) south of Samcheok in Gangwon Province.
2018-07-18T05:04:26 < capacitor> thanks for that one
2018-07-18T05:04:32 < capacitor> shame it isn't in n.korea
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2018-07-18T06:49:47 < MrMobius> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumatic_insemination#Homosexual_traumatic_insemination
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2018-07-18T07:22:44 < Rickta59> yes karlp
2018-07-18T07:22:51 < Rickta59> it was an stm32f103
2018-07-18T07:24:27 < Rickta59> i have the same issue on PB6 .. and i need to disable APB1ENR_I2CIEN to fix it
2018-07-18T07:24:39 < Rickta59> and PA6 with SPI1EN
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2018-07-18T09:11:44 < zyp> nothing?
2018-07-18T09:31:26 < zyp> running tests on shit
2018-07-18T09:32:25 < zyp> got some optoisolated inputs that are specified to work with 12-24V +/- 10%
2018-07-18T09:34:29 < zyp> according to worst case figures for gain and stuff from the datasheet it should work down to 9V or so
2018-07-18T09:34:41 < zyp> turns out in practice it triggers just fine at 2.6V
2018-07-18T09:34:47 < zyp> (in room temp)
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2018-07-18T09:40:32 < Steffanx> Which it shouldnt do?
2018-07-18T09:40:49 < jadew> do you people never sleep?
2018-07-18T09:45:39 < Steffanx> Idk, im never not fully conscious when i do.
2018-07-18T09:45:48 < jadew> heh
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2018-07-18T09:46:35 < Steffanx> Anyway, you are more often around at night then i am.
2018-07-18T09:46:40 < jadew> I'm asking because I know I didn't get enough sleep and the same people, that were active when I went to bed, are still active now
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2018-07-18T09:49:41 < englishman> went on a WW2 submarine
2018-07-18T09:50:06 < jadew> was it still operational?
2018-07-18T09:50:44 < Steffanx> Which one ?
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2018-07-18T09:53:42 < englishman> https://m.imgur.com/t4BLDcj?r
2018-07-18T09:54:09 < englishman> It sank 6 jap ships 
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2018-07-18T09:56:10 < capacitor> give that a shot
2018-07-18T09:56:30 < day> 1 destroyer and 5 rescue boats? :^)
2018-07-18T09:57:03 < zyp> Steffanx, oh, sure, it just exceeds the specs by a good amount
2018-07-18T09:57:04 < capacitor> the exploded dog
2018-07-18T09:57:44 < jadew> what exceeds the specs?
2018-07-18T09:58:08 < capacitor> i read something about optocouplers
2018-07-18T09:58:20 < capacitor> oh thats just b4 u joined
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2018-07-18T10:05:46 < Steffanx> Theepot.
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2018-07-18T10:08:34 < Haohmaru> wut was the magic arguments to get gcc to tell you which linker script is being used?
2018-07-18T10:09:09 < Haohmaru> i tried -v and -Wl,-v but nope
2018-07-18T10:10:06 < zyp> -Wl,-T
2018-07-18T10:10:33 < Cracki> https://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2009-05/msg00174.html
2018-07-18T10:11:01 < Haohmaru> ah, damn it "-vERBOSE" >:(
2018-07-18T10:11:14 < Cracki> note: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/28688484/actual-default-linker-script-and-settings-gcc-uses
2018-07-18T10:15:53 < Haohmaru> thanks
2018-07-18T10:18:24 < capacitor> oooooooh yeaaah.... there's nothing like a little opium cigar to cool the nerves
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2018-07-18T10:31:15 < mitrax> damn right
2018-07-18T10:41:13 < capacitor> hi sir
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2018-07-18T11:12:53 < Hamilton> Hello guys! What are you doing?
2018-07-18T11:14:08 < mitrax> capacitor/Hamliton: hi
2018-07-18T11:21:32 < Steffanx> capacitor/Hamilton/mitrax: hi ;)
2018-07-18T11:22:50 < Hamilton> is this / thing the new meta of #stm32?
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2018-07-18T11:26:26 < jadew> do you think the chat support guys are the ones who's english is hard to understand?
2018-07-18T11:27:21 < mitrax> Steffanx: bonjour Monsieur
2018-07-18T11:29:47 < Steffanx> Ça va?
2018-07-18T11:29:53 < zyp> more fun tests: main supply is specified to 48V +/- 20%, turns out MCU is operative down to 7.7V
2018-07-18T11:31:19 < mitrax> Steffanx: Het gaat goed, dank u
2018-07-18T11:33:08 < zyp> functionality cuts out around 32V though, not enough power to pull the solenoids below that voltage
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2018-07-18T11:55:33 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vUCb225t4s hungary and illegal migrants
2018-07-18T11:55:52 < kakimir> center europe has their shit together
2018-07-18T11:56:40 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT-P1zQBiWk BBC
2018-07-18T11:58:19 < Steffanx> Try ##pol32 kakimir 
2018-07-18T12:03:39 < Hamilton> kakimir, :( What shall I do then?
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2018-07-18T12:14:27  * Hamilton looks at Apple
2018-07-18T12:14:34 < Hamilton> *cOuRaGe*
2018-07-18T12:14:36 < Hamilton> https://9gag.com/gag/aExjRGp
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2018-07-18T12:28:56 < zyp> got some spam from mouser about LPC804 which has a "PLU"
2018-07-18T12:29:09 < zyp> anybody looked at that yet?
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2018-07-18T12:38:01 < tpw_rules> how fast does a cortex m0 run code? will 3 wait states from flash slow it down much
2018-07-18T12:38:29 < zyp> benchmark it?
2018-07-18T12:39:07 < tpw_rules> arm is 4 cycles per insn, right
2018-07-18T12:39:12 < zyp> huh?
2018-07-18T12:39:19 < tpw_rules> ?
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2018-07-18T12:39:27 < zyp> where the fuck do you have that from?
2018-07-18T12:39:35 < tpw_rules> my own shitty memory
2018-07-18T12:39:45 < zyp> lots of instructions are single cycle
2018-07-18T12:40:18 < tpw_rules> oh. so yes, 3 wait states would slow it down
2018-07-18T12:40:40 < zyp> remember that you're fetching two instructions at a time though
2018-07-18T12:41:04 < tpw_rules> but if they're two single-cycle instructions, you're still waiting for a cycle
2018-07-18T12:41:16 < zyp> and m0 is von neumann, so instruction fetches and other data accesses happens interleaved on the same port
2018-07-18T12:42:27 < dekar> I think the LPC802 app notes are quite interesting. They suggest using it as a GPIO expander, or as an EEPROM.
2018-07-18T12:42:46 < tpw_rules> lol?
2018-07-18T12:43:32 < emeryth> tpw_rules: where are you getting 3 wait states from?
2018-07-18T12:43:51 < zyp> anyway, I'd argue that instruction timings of a modern mcu are too complicated to make good estimates at, so I would advise to benchmark some real world code and go from there
2018-07-18T12:44:01 < tpw_rules> the chip i'm using (lpc11c24) specifies 3 flash wait states at the frequency i'm running at
2018-07-18T12:44:22 < tpw_rules> zyp: fair enough. i'm still used to cycle counting world
2018-07-18T12:44:24 < emeryth> oh, f0 has 1 wait state max
2018-07-18T12:44:51 < dekar> tpw_rules, That's probably because your core frequency is reasonably high and it likely also has some kind of prefetching/cache.
2018-07-18T12:45:20 < zyp> tpw_rules, cycle counting is only useful when instruction timings are fully deterministic, e.g. when you have a harvard cpu with I port and D port connected directly to flash and ram respectively
2018-07-18T12:45:25 < dekar> At lower core frequencies you tend to have less wait states
2018-07-18T12:45:45 < tpw_rules> dekar: yeah i know that. but i'm running lots of code
2018-07-18T12:46:13 < zyp> wait states is just a frequency divider for flash
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2018-07-18T12:48:22 < zyp> e.g. some stm32s can do max 24 MHz on the flash, so sysclk / (1 + ws) <= 24 MHz
2018-07-18T12:48:39 < zyp> or maybe it was 30 MHz, point stands either way
2018-07-18T12:48:48 < tpw_rules> i understand why they happen, i just was hoping for an easy way to estimate the impact. which i now learn there isn't
2018-07-18T12:49:04 < zyp> it's even harder on something like stm32f4
2018-07-18T12:49:21 < tpw_rules> well that graduates into real caches and prefetch queues and stuff doesn't it?
2018-07-18T12:49:34 < zyp> you end up typically with five wait states, but the flash is 128 bit wide, so it fetches up to 8 instructions at a time
2018-07-18T12:49:46 < tpw_rules> i was kind of hoping with something as small as an m0 it was like avr or 6502
2018-07-18T12:49:59 < tpw_rules> does the f4 have a real branch predictor?
2018-07-18T12:50:16 < zyp> I don't think so
2018-07-18T12:50:59 < zyp> cortex-m4 doesn't have a cache in the cpu core, just the ART which is all vendor stuff
2018-07-18T12:51:16 < zyp> so it's less tightly coupled like a core cache would be
2018-07-18T12:51:30 < zyp> cortex-m7 does have cache, but I'm not sure what it does
2018-07-18T12:51:37 < tpw_rules> ah, ok
2018-07-18T12:51:48 < tpw_rules> (in case anyone cares i'm doing 3d rendering cause i'm bored)
2018-07-18T12:52:03 < zyp> on the other hand, pipeline might still do branch prediction, even on devices without cache
2018-07-18T12:52:39 < zyp> https://community.arm.com/processors/f/discussions/3190/cortex-m3-pipeline-stages-branch-prediction
2018-07-18T12:53:18 < tpw_rules> cortex m vulnerable to spectre
2018-07-18T12:53:22 < tpw_rules> :P
2018-07-18T12:53:26 < tpw_rules> anyway thank you for the information
2018-07-18T12:53:55 < zyp> big deal :)
2018-07-18T12:54:24 < tpw_rules> i hope that was sarcastic...?
2018-07-18T12:55:27 < zyp> it was wrt. spectre
2018-07-18T12:55:37 < tpw_rules> ah okay
2018-07-18T12:56:32 < zyp> information leak vulnerabilities on a microcontroller where you don't even have virtual memory
2018-07-18T12:56:58  * Haohmaru tosses around "spectre.elf"
2018-07-18T12:57:25 < zyp> hmm
2018-07-18T12:57:48 < Haohmaru> arm can execute code from SRAM, right?
2018-07-18T12:57:53 < zyp> yes
2018-07-18T12:59:26 < zyp> that might or might not be beneficial
2018-07-18T12:59:29 < Haohmaru> is it vulnerable to that row-hammer thing?
2018-07-18T12:59:41 < zyp> uh
2018-07-18T12:59:45 < zyp> SRAM doesn't have rows
2018-07-18T12:59:45 < tpw_rules> no cause it doesn't use dram
2018-07-18T13:00:00 < tpw_rules> maybe you could do flash-hammer :P
2018-07-18T13:00:06 < Haohmaru> >:)
2018-07-18T13:00:19 < Haohmaru> sram-hammer
2018-07-18T13:00:22 < tpw_rules> hm actually, i wonder if you could? hammer a non-protected sector and mess up a protected one. but probably not. and there's ECC and checksums anyway
2018-07-18T13:00:31 < Haohmaru> "sram" in my language means "shame"
2018-07-18T13:01:12 < Haohmaru> my xmega has 8 kilos of shame ;P~
2018-07-18T13:02:07 < tpw_rules> 8 kibos*
2018-07-18T13:02:14 < zyp> anyway, executing from SRAM on a m0 is probably going to give you full speed, unless you have any DMA competing to access it
2018-07-18T13:02:44 < tpw_rules> won't it lose speed when reading/writing ram or do those have separate bus cycles anyway
2018-07-18T13:02:48 < zyp> since it's von neumann, you're still limited by that bottleneck, so splitting across multiple memories are not gonna speed up anything
2018-07-18T13:02:54 < tpw_rules> yeah
2018-07-18T13:03:20 < Haohmaru> spectre attacks tend to be very patient ;P~
2018-07-18T13:03:24 < zyp> the harvard ones are faster when you execute from a different memory than where your data is
2018-07-18T13:03:39 < zyp> i.e. cortex-m3 and up
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2018-07-18T13:04:29 < zyp> if you google around, you'll find a document with benchmarks on stm32f4 where people have benchmarked different combinations of flash, sram and ccm
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2018-07-18T13:05:30 < zyp> IIRC the conclusion was that there's little reason to do anything else than execute from flash and put data in sram
2018-07-18T13:06:06 < tpw_rules> what kind of code did they benchmark? do you remember?
2018-07-18T13:10:16 < zyp> no, I'm trying to find it
2018-07-18T13:12:22 < zyp> google doesn't seem to give me anything
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2018-07-18T13:14:18 < Haohmaru> google is in "hate" mode
2018-07-18T13:17:23 < zyp> digging through the logs from this channel, I suspect it might be this link: https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/cortex_mx_stm32/Attachments/22412/2012_STM32%20
2018-07-18T13:17:26 < zyp> Technical%20Updates%20-%20Issue%201.pdf
2018-07-18T13:17:27 < zyp> which is dead now
2018-07-18T13:19:39 < kakimir> I add models to ltspice from internets
2018-07-18T13:19:52 < kakimir> in lib and sym/misc
2018-07-18T13:20:32 < kakimir> .sub and .asy respectively
2018-07-18T13:20:49 < kakimir> not visible in editor component selector even after restarting
2018-07-18T13:21:21 < Haohmaru> could it be that you need to tell it to "rescan" its sh*t
2018-07-18T13:22:03 < kakimir> how?
2018-07-18T13:23:34 < Haohmaru> no idea, just guessing.. some programs work like that
2018-07-18T13:23:34 < zyp> hmm, I didn't find any local copies of that document either
2018-07-18T13:23:42 < zyp> shame
2018-07-18T13:23:54 < Haohmaru> i think i once tried to use additional symbols in ltspice but failed to figure it out
2018-07-18T13:24:30 < Haohmaru> zyp probably thanks to the built-in pdf-viewer in yer browser
2018-07-18T13:24:56 < Haohmaru> i should stop using mine
2018-07-18T13:25:20 < zyp> oh, here it is
2018-07-18T13:25:22 < zyp> https://community.st.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/20520-1-2166/2012_STM32_Technical_Updates_-_Issue_1.pdf
2018-07-18T13:25:56 < zyp> starts on page 36
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2018-07-18T14:46:20 < zyp> I looked through the docs on the LPC804 PLU, looks cute, almost like a small FPGA, but not super useful
2018-07-18T14:47:32 < zyp> there's 26 5:1 LUTs and four state flip-flops
2018-07-18T14:48:25 < zyp> there's 6 inputs to and 8 outputs from the PLU block, in addition to a clock for the flip flops
2018-07-18T14:49:13 < zyp> each LUT input has a mux that can select any of the PLU inputs, the other LUT outputs and the flip-flop outputs
2018-07-18T14:49:34 < zyp> and each PLU output can select from any of the LUT and flip-flop outputs
2018-07-18T14:50:17 < zyp> that seems like plenty of possibilities for making combinatorial logic, but four bits of state seems very little
2018-07-18T14:56:06 < zyp> there's also very little integration towards the CPU
2018-07-18T14:56:46 < zyp> there's a register where the cpu can read the status on the outputs, that's about it
2018-07-18T14:57:15 < zyp> no irq/dma triggers, no interconnections with other peripherals or anything
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2018-07-18T14:58:05 < zyp> might be possible to do interconnections through mapping a peripheral output and a PLU input to the same pin, or the other way around, but that seems pretty hackish
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2018-07-18T15:17:03 < dekar> Seems like it would be quite useful as glue logic.
2018-07-18T15:17:36 < zyp> sure, but between what?
2018-07-18T15:18:51 < jpa-> doesn't seem like one could even drive WS2812 with it, and that is the least demanding application where FPGA can be useful :P
2018-07-18T15:28:20 < Thorn> why no PLU in lpc82x (instead of 5(!) I2C cores)
2018-07-18T15:28:30 < Thorn> weird peripheral choices
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2018-07-18T15:43:08 < dekar> Well, I was thinking about optical transceivers, (e.g. SFP) since that's what I work with. A lot of them just have EEPROMs, but the LPC80x could do that and a little more, like watching a register and toggling a pin.
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2018-07-18T15:57:35 < dekar> The level shifting capabilities are also neat.
2018-07-18T16:03:05 < Thorn> some stm32f0 have separate gpio power too (only for some pins) btw
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2018-07-18T16:21:43 < Rickta59> how is the PLU different than the SCT?
2018-07-18T16:22:36 < Rickta59> i remember a couple years back someone had posted an SCT example that was able to drive ws281x leds without much overhead
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2018-07-18T16:50:32 < zyp> I believe SCT has more complex primitives, less muxes and more interconnection with the mcu otherwise
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2018-07-18T17:13:02 < Thorn> I didn't realize stepper control was such an involved topic
2018-07-18T17:18:29 < srk> are you at FOC and FPGAs already?
2018-07-18T17:21:13 < tct> how are people feeling today?
2018-07-18T17:22:07 < Thorn> no I'm still at the trinamic youtube channel stage
2018-07-18T17:22:13 < Thorn> hi mr. tct
2018-07-18T17:22:17 < Sadale> What's an SCT?
2018-07-18T17:22:26 < Thorn> state something timer
2018-07-18T17:22:53 < Thorn> https://community.nxp.com/docs/DOC-333629
2018-07-18T17:23:39 < Sadale> interesting. What does it do
2018-07-18T17:23:51 < Sadale> why does it have code? :o
2018-07-18T17:25:39 < Sadale> hmm. As a programmer, this SCT thingie looks like a whole new programming language to me. I guess I could regrad it as another kind of PLC. :P
2018-07-18T17:26:11 < Sadale> They're totally different by nature. But they look the same to me. i.e. magic devices with specialized programming language that I don't care about xD
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2018-07-18T17:31:37 < tct> hi mr. Thorn. How's life?
2018-07-18T17:33:19 < Sadale> last evening I accidentally locked my STM32 :(
2018-07-18T17:33:28 < Sadale> Now I've just managed to unlock it.
2018-07-18T17:33:31 < tct> good.
2018-07-18T17:49:01 < Thorn> tct: lack of sleep. coding an ios app :/
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2018-07-18T18:08:24 < Steffanx> Using swift or objc Thorn ?
2018-07-18T18:09:44 < Thorn> swift of course
2018-07-18T18:10:14 < Thorn> objc exceeds my level of tolerance
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2018-07-18T18:12:53 < Sadale> hmm. Apparently stting the clock to 48Mhz only improve the performance by 1.15x compared with 32Mhz in the game console I'm developing.
2018-07-18T18:13:52 < Sadale> I'm not entirely sure on why. :S
2018-07-18T18:14:23 < Rickta59> wait states?
2018-07-18T18:15:13 < Sadale> That's what I first checked. The wait states for both 32Mhz and 48Mhz are 1.
2018-07-18T18:15:22 < Sadale> like LL_FLASH_LATENCY_1 in STM32 LL.
2018-07-18T18:16:03 < Sadale> Now I'm thinking if it's the LCD update function. It takes a fixed amount of time regardless of the processor frequency.
2018-07-18T18:16:35 < Sadale> The LCD is an SPI one.
2018-07-18T18:16:43 < Sadale> Anyway, I'm not really asking a question. I'm just sharing :3
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2018-07-18T18:21:56 < Sadale> oh well, that's probably the cause. Due to the design of the clocks, it takes 1.5x longer time for the SPI operation to be completed at 48Mhz. And I did the math. That'd be max 372fps for 48MHz, and max 496fps for 32Mhz. 
2018-07-18T18:24:04 < zyp> how many fps are you seeing in practice?
2018-07-18T18:24:50 < Sadale> 120fps for 32Mhz, and 150fps for 48Mhz.
2018-07-18T18:25:37 < zyp> I assume your SPI transfers are blocking
2018-07-18T18:25:45 < Sadale> That makes sense. 48Mhz is a bit higher because it's faster in processing stuffs. Althought it takes longer to send the image to the SPI LCD, the shorter processing time offseted it.
2018-07-18T18:26:01 < zyp> so in other words, at 48 MHz, the SPI transfer accounts for 40% of the total cpu load
2018-07-18T18:26:14 < Sadale> It's semi-blocking. I'm using a DMA. But I'm not using double-buffering.
2018-07-18T18:26:40 < zyp> blocking to wait for DMA is no better than blocking while transferring by CPU
2018-07-18T18:26:49 < Sadale> So I have to wait for the completion of the previous SPI trasaction before drawing stuffs to the buffer.
2018-07-18T18:27:03 < zyp> yes
2018-07-18T18:27:11 < Sadale> right. Anyway, I doubt that the game would need that high FPS. :P
2018-07-18T18:27:34 < zyp> switching to double buffering should give you a 70% speedup
2018-07-18T18:27:51 < Sadale> But that'd double the RAM usage :-(
2018-07-18T18:27:56 < Sadale> so... no! :P
2018-07-18T18:27:58 < zyp> yes
2018-07-18T18:28:02 < Sadale> no please :P
2018-07-18T18:28:08 < zyp> is that a problem?
2018-07-18T18:28:15 < Sadale> The practical LCD update rate is like 4Hz anyway.
2018-07-18T18:28:33 < zyp> either you have enough ram or you don't
2018-07-18T18:28:37 < zyp> unused ram is wasted :p
2018-07-18T18:28:38 < Sadale> It isn't a TFT one. So it's slow on updating the graphic. :P
2018-07-18T18:28:54 < Sadale> And I don't think I have enough RAM for that =P
2018-07-18T18:29:07 < Sadale> Anyway, the library of the game console is designed in a way that make it possible to do double buffering.
2018-07-18T18:30:25 < Sadale> I'm thinking about upgrading my display from 48*84 to 128*64. Mainly because of worrying about the supply of 48*84
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2018-07-18T18:44:26 < Thorn> https://e3d-online.com/v6 wtf £51.60
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2018-07-18T18:47:57 < Steffanx> You can always buy a less optimal clone
2018-07-18T18:48:15 < Steffanx> The tct is alive :o
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2018-07-18T19:29:20 < tct>  txt is always alive
2018-07-18T19:29:35 < Thorn> how do I know which clones are good
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2018-07-18T19:31:06 < zyp> look at the price
2018-07-18T19:31:11 < zyp> the lower it is, the worse they are
2018-07-18T19:31:12 < zyp> no? :p
2018-07-18T19:32:29 < zyp> maybe a genuine v6-lite would be a better deal for you
2018-07-18T19:32:50 < srk> v6 is nice, set-up and forget :D
2018-07-18T19:32:54 < srk> worth the money
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2018-07-18T19:37:08 < Thorn> this one is the most popular on ali https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-XCR3D-3D-Printer-Parts-E3D-V6-Hotend-Kit-0-4-1-75MM-J-head/32843399231.html
2018-07-18T19:37:36 < jadew> what makes the original so special anyway?
2018-07-18T19:37:47 < Steffanx> Quality of manufacturing.
2018-07-18T19:37:58 < jadew> so it's not some special ingredient
2018-07-18T19:38:07 < Steffanx> Probably not.
2018-07-18T19:38:34 < jadew> Thorn, you can always buy a lathe and make it yourself
2018-07-18T19:39:25 < Thorn> or a cnc machine (the one with builtin GPS to prevent its use in unfriendly countries)
2018-07-18T19:39:40 < srk> hardest part is the internal polish
2018-07-18T19:39:45 < srk> so PLA works smoothly
2018-07-18T19:39:48 < Steffanx> Looz
2018-07-18T19:39:48 < Steffanx> Lz
2018-07-18T19:40:27 < jadew> I've watched a video that zyp linked yesterday and the guy behind them said something about some coating - maybe that's the trick
2018-07-18T19:40:38 < srk> yeah
2018-07-18T19:40:44 < zyp> did I link a video yesterday?
2018-07-18T19:41:16 < jadew> zyp, don't know if it was yesterday, days are fuzzy to me, it was about the new not-yet-released hotend
2018-07-18T19:41:17 < srk> "clones dont have the polished finish required to prevent the filament sticking" 
2018-07-18T19:41:22 < srk> (citation needed)
2018-07-18T19:41:58 < srk> there's new generation of jheads as well iirc
2018-07-18T19:45:20 < Thorn> the reviews are useful as usual. "arrived quickly, everything is as described, haven't tested yet, thanks!"
2018-07-18T19:45:28 < zyp> haha
2018-07-18T19:45:43 < zyp> that clone looks fairly decent though
2018-07-18T19:45:59 < zyp> it actually follows the all metal design of the original
2018-07-18T19:46:03 < Thorn> and 5 stars of course
2018-07-18T19:46:20 < jadew> zyp, I don't believe it's particularly difficult to clone that thing
2018-07-18T19:47:07 < jadew> it's just a metal tube with a heatsink and a thread on one end
2018-07-18T19:47:08 < zyp> the heatbreak sounds kinda tricky to machine right
2018-07-18T19:47:38 < jadew> which is the heatbreak?
2018-07-18T19:47:44 < jadew> the part at the bottom?
2018-07-18T19:47:51 < zyp> the part between the heater block and the heatsink
2018-07-18T19:48:07 < jadew> yeah, I don't think it's that tricky
2018-07-18T19:48:09 < zyp> it's made as thin as possible to conduct as little heat as possible
2018-07-18T19:50:30 < jadew> I'm sure it's strong enough to machine at the same speed as the rest of the thing
2018-07-18T19:50:54 < Thorn> is it the Ø2.8 part in the drawing?
2018-07-18T19:51:09 < zyp> yes
2018-07-18T19:51:52 < Thorn> internal Ø2 so the walls are 0.4mm thick then
2018-07-18T19:52:57 < Thorn> mountain lion live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYrdjoLW2Q
2018-07-18T19:56:12 < Thorn> >Tail part: 4.2mm hole, wearing Φ4 × 2 Teflon tube, reducing friction
2018-07-18T20:10:22 < Rickta59> ?
2018-07-18T20:10:33 < Rickta59> wrong window
2018-07-18T20:15:54 < kakimir> I need display for uart diagnostic messages
2018-07-18T20:16:15 < kakimir> should be self contained more the better
2018-07-18T20:16:42 < kakimir> display, some sort of computer integrated
2018-07-18T20:16:47 < kakimir> smallish size
2018-07-18T20:16:53 < kakimir> 10inc
2018-07-18T20:16:57 < kakimir> wait
2018-07-18T20:17:11 < kakimir> I need actually craplet
2018-07-18T20:17:21 < kakimir> I just need solid uart to it
2018-07-18T20:18:27 < kakimir> I have curently 115200
2018-07-18T20:18:35 < kakimir> but plan to go to 230 at least
2018-07-18T20:18:47 < kakimir> less time waiting shit to come out
2018-07-18T20:20:02 < Steffanx> http://www.ftdichip.com/Android.htm ?
2018-07-18T20:20:49 < kakimir> http://www.aten.com/au/en/products/usb-&-thunderbolt/usb-converters/uc232a/ hmm no problem
2018-07-18T20:21:03 < kakimir> I have this one for my own and at work
2018-07-18T20:21:11 < kakimir> justworks.exe
2018-07-18T20:21:25 < kakimir> android 3.2 and above
2018-07-18T20:21:28 < Steffanx> so get some cheap arse android tablet and you're done.
2018-07-18T20:21:34 < kakimir> sweet
2018-07-18T20:21:43 < Steffanx> idk. never tried it, but .. :P
2018-07-18T20:22:03 < kakimir> but I need a bit rendering speed I think
2018-07-18T20:22:23 < kakimir> linux tablet would be nice
2018-07-18T20:23:37 < englishman> sounds completely useless
2018-07-18T20:26:25 < Laurenceb> top trawl
2018-07-18T20:27:38 < Steffanx> Yes, there is no advantage over a windows laptop where you use putty as serial terminal
2018-07-18T20:27:44 < Steffanx> P-ucking-utty.
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2018-07-18T20:28:29 < kakimir> android only has like toy software
2018-07-18T20:28:40 < Steffanx> did you even try?
2018-07-18T20:29:06 < kakimir> I have android phone
2018-07-18T20:29:23 < kakimir> I don't think I have ever seen a serious android app
2018-07-18T20:29:28 < Steffanx> ok
2018-07-18T20:29:39 < Steffanx> Try the real play store.
2018-07-18T20:30:19 < kakimir> and if it's like half decent it is 7years old and nobody is making improvements to it anymore
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2018-07-18T20:57:30 < Steffanx> kakimir: Your pointless ranting made me miss dongs, where is he
2018-07-18T20:57:40 < kakimir> yeah
2018-07-18T20:57:43 < kakimir> I miss him too
2018-07-18T20:57:57 < kakimir> my ranting is just angst
2018-07-18T20:58:17 < zyp> busy in taiwan, last I heard
2018-07-18T20:58:23 < Steffanx> whats "angst"?
2018-07-18T20:58:56 < kakimir> "everything is shit and getting worse"
2018-07-18T20:58:56 < Cracki> something teenagers have
2018-07-18T20:59:32 < Steffanx> " The word angst was introduced into English from the Danish, Norwegian and Dutch" explains it
2018-07-18T20:59:53 < kakimir> edgy complaining about all things and life generally
2018-07-18T21:00:48 < Cracki> another fun word: Weltschmerz, when some child drowning halfway around the world hits you as severely as if it were your own
2018-07-18T21:01:00 < zyp> the english meaning seems a bit different from the norwegian one
2018-07-18T21:01:33 < zyp> in norwegian, having angst is more or less just being nervous about something
2018-07-18T21:01:35 < kakimir> Cracki: in finnish "maailmantuska"
2018-07-18T21:01:47 < Cracki> >mailman, tusk
2018-07-18T21:01:58 < kakimir> tuska: agony, pain
2018-07-18T21:02:23 < Cracki> I get the craving to make something hurt
2018-07-18T21:03:38 < kakimir> maailman: world's
2018-07-18T21:03:59 < kakimir> or of the world
2018-07-18T21:05:59 < kakimir> maailman suurin huvijahti: the world's biggest yacht
2018-07-18T21:08:49 < kakimir> maailma: world
2018-07-18T21:09:17 < kakimir> maa: earth, ground, land, country
2018-07-18T21:09:21 < kakimir> ilma: air
2018-07-18T21:10:27 < kakimir> didn't notice that until I started thinking about how much maailman looks like mail man
2018-07-18T21:19:35 < kakimir> sync: MPPT has arrived
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2018-07-18T21:24:36 < Laurenceb> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=45824.160
2018-07-18T21:24:41 < Laurenceb> the absolute state
2018-07-18T21:25:20 < sync> good kakimir
2018-07-18T21:25:46 < kakimir> can you tell me again what tools to warez?
2018-07-18T21:30:47 < sync> winols
2018-07-18T21:32:29 < upgrdman> anyone know if the ICD 4 can handle printf() ? e.g. debug text through the ICD 4
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2018-07-18T21:34:41 < Steffanx> idk, my pic life ended with icd2
2018-07-18T21:34:44 < invzim> gah, jlcpcb is taking their sweet time on my last order
2018-07-18T21:35:05 < invzim> nothing compared to a few years back, but when you get used to having stuff done in a couple of days
2018-07-18T21:35:44 < Steffanx> so how long does it take now?
2018-07-18T21:35:55 < invzim> ordered on saturday, not shipped 
2018-07-18T21:36:06 < invzim> so will likely not be here before the weekend
2018-07-18T21:36:51 < invzim> maybe it's the stencil, or that I picked blue soldermask
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2018-07-18T21:54:30 < Steffanx> Thats like.. 3 work days ago?
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2018-07-18T21:55:02 < Steffanx> You can see the progress invzim 
2018-07-18T21:55:29 < Steffanx> It has this link in the order where you can see the exact progress
2018-07-18T21:55:39 < Steffanx> Incl date, time and which step its in
2018-07-18T21:57:07 < vampi-the-frog> jadew: are you using wordpress for your shop?
2018-07-18T21:59:06 < invzim> Steffanx: yup, it's been 100% since "2018-07-18 13:19:44
2018-07-18T21:59:07 < invzim> "
2018-07-18T21:59:18 < invzim> Not sure which TZ they display
2018-07-18T22:05:01 < kakimir> what is the most precise resistor you guise have used?
2018-07-18T22:05:05 < kakimir> what %
2018-07-18T22:05:08 < kakimir> or ppm
2018-07-18T22:05:18 < invzim> 1%
2018-07-18T22:05:20 < invzim> :)
2018-07-18T22:05:30 < kakimir> I think mine is 0.5%
2018-07-18T22:06:23 < invzim> got a couple of big 0.1 and 0.01 shunts, but never got around to using them + I presume they're pretty accurate
2018-07-18T22:06:38 < Steffanx> i believe local time zone invzim
2018-07-18T22:06:49 < Steffanx> local as in.. theirs P:
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2018-07-18T22:09:38 < capacitor> Man who had sex with horse said it gave consent by winking at him
2018-07-18T22:09:38 < capacitor> A NSW man jailed for having sex with a horse told police the horse gave him consent by winking at him, a court has heard.
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2018-07-18T22:20:51 < jadew> vampi-the-frog, no, everything is custom
2018-07-18T22:21:00 < jadew> it's built on a MVC framework I wrote
2018-07-18T22:23:26 < jadew> it's not finished yet, there are still a couple of details I have to address, but I'm postponing them as I have better things to do
2018-07-18T22:25:24 < jadew> there's a lot of custom technology there
2018-07-18T22:25:47 < jadew> js libraries are all built from scratch over the course of last year (for a different project)
2018-07-18T22:26:11 < jadew> js compiler, obfuscator and packer are also my own technology
2018-07-18T22:27:13 < kakimir> capacitor: hah
2018-07-18T22:34:43 < invzim> capacitor: I thought that stuff only went on in tasmania :)
2018-07-18T22:36:15 < kakimir> I think there is no law in denmark to not have sex with animals
2018-07-18T22:36:31 < BrainDamage> have you tested it?
2018-07-18T22:37:14 < jadew> so denmark is bestifobic?
2018-07-18T22:37:27 < BrainDamage> the opposite?
2018-07-18T22:37:31 < kakimir> so some pig farmers constantly need to keep watch in case some perv is fucking their pigs
2018-07-18T22:37:47 < jadew> lol
2018-07-18T22:37:56 < jadew> didn't know people fucked pigs
2018-07-18T22:38:15 < karlp> Rickta59: yeah, stiop using shitty old f1s :)
2018-07-18T22:38:45 < Rickta59> they are so cheap though :)
2018-07-18T22:38:47 < kakimir> I think the document mentioned that there is actually an influx of people.. just few people but still that move to country because of no law about having sex with animals
2018-07-18T22:39:02 < BrainDamage> there's a scottish saying along the lines of "you can be a righteous man, go to church every week, be supportive to the community, be generous to your kin, but if you fuck a sheep once, you'll be a sheepfucker for life"
2018-07-18T22:39:19 < jadew> lol
2018-07-18T22:39:48 < jadew> there's something about sheep fucking in our culture too
2018-07-18T22:39:55 < jadew> I heard about it as a kid, so it must be happening
2018-07-18T22:40:21 < jadew> also heard that if you pee in a sheep's ear, it dies - I wonder who the hell tried that
2018-07-18T22:40:40 < Rickta59> zippee == zyp ? if so, thanks for the vecstate thing
2018-07-18T22:41:03 < Steffanx> no, thats not him
2018-07-18T22:41:43 < jadew> the thing about the piss in the ear wasn't like a story about what someone did, it was a cautionary tale :D
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2018-07-18T22:50:49 < vampi-the-frog> jadew: interesting, but you seem to be all over the place
2018-07-18T22:51:00 < jadew> vampi-the-frog, what do you mean?
2018-07-18T22:51:04 < Laurenceb> what if I mentioned that I’m a spooky, obsessive 60-year-old British “cave explorer” who lives in a third-world country known for rampant sex tourism, particularly by British expats? 
2018-07-18T22:51:10 < vampi-the-frog> well are you selling HP part replacements or are you a web dev?
2018-07-18T22:52:07 < jadew> vampi-the-frog, heh, I used to be a programmer until recently, I did web dev too as part of that
2018-07-18T22:52:51 < jadew> and now that I'm on my own, I want to continue both with software and electronics
2018-07-18T22:53:18 < vampi-the-frog> why both
2018-07-18T22:53:29 < jadew> eggs in different baskets kind of thing
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2018-07-18T22:54:14 < jadew> I've been programming my whole life, would be a waste not to try to leverage that
2018-07-18T22:54:35 < jadew> also, there's more money in software than it is in hardware
2018-07-18T22:55:01 < jadew> but it's also a lot more work and more competitive I think
2018-07-18T22:55:22 < vampi-the-frog> software is a lot more scalable
2018-07-18T22:55:47 < jadew> hardware too, you just hire a guy to help you out
2018-07-18T22:56:00 < karlp> lpc804 plu sounds like some of the custom logic stuff on newer microchip/atmel parts.
2018-07-18T22:56:02 < jadew> you're talking about manufacturing, no?
2018-07-18T22:56:11 < vampi-the-frog> yeah you can't sell schematics
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2018-07-18T22:56:29 < jadew> vampi-the-frog, yeah, the bottleneck would be the manufacturing, but you can always hire people
2018-07-18T22:56:35 < jadew> so you can scale there too
2018-07-18T22:56:51 < Steffanx> Sure you can vampi-the-frog. You design the stuff, perhaps do the layouting and that's what you're hired for.
2018-07-18T22:57:03 < vampi-the-frog> Steffanx: how can you make passive income from that?
2018-07-18T22:57:05 < jadew> yeah
2018-07-18T22:57:35 < vampi-the-frog> I have an idea for a product now
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2018-07-18T22:57:39 < Steffanx> You have to find new clients, or perhaps make the current ones very happy and they'll keep coming back.
2018-07-18T22:57:43 < jadew> doesn't have to be passive if you make a lot of money
2018-07-18T22:57:59 < vampi-the-frog> a guitar recording interface that goes in the guitar, and records all 2/3 pickups simultaneously
2018-07-18T22:58:01 < vampi-the-frog> and with USB
2018-07-18T22:58:04 < jadew> if the schematic makes you more than you would by selling that product for a couple of years, then it's worth it
2018-07-18T22:58:32 < vampi-the-frog> I guess in software you repurpose existing software and you can do the same with a schematic, but you still have to work for it
2018-07-18T22:59:27 < BrainDamage> the problem is the transmission
2018-07-18T22:59:27 < jadew> vampi-the-frog, you kinda have to work for everything, the question is how much you work and how much you make for the hours you put in
2018-07-18T22:59:27 < vampi-the-frog> in electronics, the closest that comes to that is having a shop
2018-07-18T22:59:27 < Steffanx> but there probably is more money in the manufacturing part than the engineering part ( for many products at least )
2018-07-18T22:59:41 < vampi-the-frog> I want the option to put 0 hours in
2018-07-18T22:59:50 < Steffanx> freelancer.com? :P
2018-07-18T22:59:51 < vampi-the-frog> Steffanx: good point
2018-07-18T22:59:52 < BrainDamage> netjack would work
2018-07-18T22:59:57 < jadew> Steffanx, yeah
2018-07-18T23:00:19 < BrainDamage> your main problem is neither the protocol, nor the software
2018-07-18T23:00:26 < BrainDamage> but the wire protocol for the transmission
2018-07-18T23:00:32 < jadew> vampi-the-frog, you'd still have to put the time upfront, for whatever it would be
2018-07-18T23:00:38 < BrainDamage> commercial stuff like wifi is horrible to guarantee realtime latency
2018-07-18T23:01:22 < BrainDamage> the dark side of CSMA
2018-07-18T23:01:23 < vampi-the-frog> my point is that you can set yourself up so you have a good passive income so you don't have to work, and anything you do work is because you're into it, not because you need the money$$$
2018-07-18T23:02:07 < jadew> vampi-the-frog, I think that's what everyone is after
2018-07-18T23:02:50 < jadew> but I don't know how to achieve that without working
2018-07-18T23:03:04 < jadew> I'm not even sure I can achieve it with a lot of work
2018-07-18T23:03:14 < vampi-the-frog> you can achieve it with jewish smarts
2018-07-18T23:03:25 < vampi-the-frog> I don't think that's what everyone is after
2018-07-18T23:03:35 < vampi-the-frog> most people imagine having $100000000 and living off of that
2018-07-18T23:03:42 < vampi-the-frog> but what they really want is to not have to work
2018-07-18T23:03:48 < vampi-the-frog> even if it's a humble income
2018-07-18T23:04:20 < jadew> I like working, as long as I do it for my own pleasure
2018-07-18T23:04:21 < vampi-the-frog> expensive things never fulfill
2018-07-18T23:04:38 < vampi-the-frog> I like pleasure.
2018-07-18T23:08:33 < kakimir> sometimes at work I enjoy what I do
2018-07-18T23:08:40 < vampi-the-frog> but not always
2018-07-18T23:08:43 < kakimir> it's weird
2018-07-18T23:08:53 < kakimir> like.. should this feel like this..
2018-07-18T23:09:03 < vampi-the-frog> it should feel like that all the time
2018-07-18T23:09:10 < jadew> somtimes I did too and that's when I produced the best code
2018-07-18T23:09:25 < jadew> regreted it after I quit
2018-07-18T23:09:32 < vampi-the-frog> best code means code that makes you most money
2018-07-18T23:09:40 < jadew> I realized I poured my passion into something that wasn't mine
2018-07-18T23:10:18 < jadew> well, since I worked on my own stuff full time I have really written the best code
2018-07-18T23:10:26 < jadew> felt like that most of the time
2018-07-18T23:11:13 < jadew> and I've written so much code, it's crazy
2018-07-18T23:15:15 < zyp> you're only writing good code now, huh?
2018-07-18T23:15:32 < jadew> not only good code, but a lot more good code than I did before
2018-07-18T23:15:47 < zyp> are you sure you're just bad at recognizing bad code? :p
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2018-07-18T23:15:55 < zyp> +not
2018-07-18T23:16:00 < jadew> not even sure it's ok, but while before I could say "it works, so I'll leave it like that" now I can't
2018-07-18T23:16:23 < jadew> now I have to make it right, but I also lose a lot of time in the process
2018-07-18T23:16:39 < jadew> zyp, that's always a possibility :)
2018-07-18T23:18:40 < vampi-the-frog> it helps if you can relax
2018-07-18T23:18:50 < vampi-the-frog> and can always afford a thinking break
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2018-07-18T23:21:00 < vampi-the-frog> it's also good to always code reusable code, if you can
2018-07-18T23:25:15 < zyp> wrt. passive income, I designed a pcb some years ago, still selling it
2018-07-18T23:25:36 < jadew> zyp, how much time do you put into production?
2018-07-18T23:26:22 < zyp> I outsource assembly, so when I receive the boards I just have to depanelize, flash, test and pack them in esd bags
2018-07-18T23:26:25 < jadew> I've only produced a couple of boards, but I spent roughly 9 hours for 5 boards... could be because I'm just figuring out the process
2018-07-18T23:26:56 < jadew> neat, you're not afraid of cloners?
2018-07-18T23:27:16 < jadew> ah, you have to flash them :)
2018-07-18T23:27:22 < zyp> I don't think dongs is interested in cloning my boards
2018-07-18T23:27:30 < jadew> oh, cool, it's dongs
2018-07-18T23:27:46 < zyp> but firmware is opensource, so it wouldn't be too hard if anybody tried
2018-07-18T23:28:00 < vampi-the-frog> interesting option
2018-07-18T23:28:05 < zyp> on the other hand, it wouldn't be hard to make a compatible thing either
2018-07-18T23:28:46 < zyp> I figure it's niche enough that nobody would bother
2018-07-18T23:29:22 < vampi-the-frog> nice
2018-07-18T23:29:33 < jadew> neat, for what I'm selling there are already other options out there (chinese clones of the original)
2018-07-18T23:30:25 < zyp> I mean, my board was originally designed as a drop in replacement for chinese shit
2018-07-18T23:30:33 < jadew> heh
2018-07-18T23:30:41 < vampi-the-frog> so you're both into the drop in replacement market
2018-07-18T23:31:13 < jadew> zyp, you haven't designed other stuff to sell on your own?
2018-07-18T23:31:42 < zyp> original chinese shit: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/XhQMV.jpg
2018-07-18T23:31:45 < zyp> mine: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/hU8Bq.JPG
2018-07-18T23:31:59 < zyp> and it's selling because it's better
2018-07-18T23:32:00 < BrainDamage> is that a giant encoder?
2018-07-18T23:32:03 < zyp> yes
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2018-07-18T23:32:23 < jadew> zyp, I'm hoping for the same effect, mine has better specs
2018-07-18T23:33:08 < zyp> I have made stuff from scratch also, a nfc reader card, but they sell a lot less
2018-07-18T23:34:40 < zyp> so far that's the only stuff I sell myself to end-users
2018-07-18T23:34:50 < zyp> other stuff I've made have been for others
2018-07-18T23:35:02 < zyp> I mean, other stuff I've mass produced
2018-07-18T23:36:29 < jadew> in this regard hardware is much better than software - sells easier
2018-07-18T23:37:06 < jadew> it's harder to sell a piece of software that something relatively well, especially if there's a free alternative (no matter how bad)
2018-07-18T23:37:08 < zyp> I figure the 3d printer stuff I've been working on might be mass produced for sale too if it turns out good
2018-07-18T23:37:12 < jadew> with hardware there's rarely a free alternative
2018-07-18T23:37:26 < jadew> oh, right, that could be nice
2018-07-18T23:37:35 < jadew> looking forword to see how it turns out
2018-07-18T23:37:41 < jadew> *forward
2018-07-18T23:39:26 < zyp> the EV charger stuff would have been fun to sell too, but it'd have to pass certifications and shit, since it works with line voltages
2018-07-18T23:39:46 < vampi-the-frog> arcade stuff
2018-07-18T23:39:48 < vampi-the-frog> interesting
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2018-07-18T23:49:22 < karlp> Rickta59: zippe is/was one of the pixhawk/px4/whatsit people
2018-07-18T23:49:37 < capacitor> wut is the giant encoder wheel for
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2018-07-18T23:57:03 < aandrew> woot
2018-07-18T23:57:06 < aandrew> I don't want to celebrate prematurely, but I think I have figured out my TDMA network using nRF51s
2018-07-18T23:57:09 < aandrew> the test code has been running over the last 24h or so and still looks good, now I'm elaborating it a little to make it easier to verify/test/play with
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2018-07-19T00:23:23 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA5vlDdpbkw
2018-07-19T00:23:28 < kakimir> custom lcd
2018-07-19T00:24:11 < jadew> neat
2018-07-19T00:24:26 < kakimir> wait until you hear a price
2018-07-19T00:24:27 < jadew> that's really cheap
2018-07-19T00:26:19 < Steffanx> The price is in the title, kakimir :D
2018-07-19T00:26:29 < jadew> :)
2018-07-19T00:26:42 < jadew> also for me it looks like this:
2018-07-19T00:26:48 < jadew> [00:23.24] <kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA5vlDdpbkw
2018-07-19T00:26:48 < jadew> YouTube: EEVblog #1105 - $100 Custom LCD Design - Part 3
2018-07-19T00:27:21 < jadew> I knew the price before clicking
2018-07-19T00:27:30 < kakimir> pretty high power consumption
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2018-07-19T00:27:33 < kakimir> 100micros
2018-07-19T00:27:40 < jadew> heh
2018-07-19T00:27:47 < kakimir> I mean it
2018-07-19T00:28:06 < jadew> how much do they normally need?
2018-07-19T00:28:06 < capacitor> Is he still autisming over it
2018-07-19T00:28:15 < kakimir> that is 0.1mA
2018-07-19T00:28:20 < kakimir> and 1mA is something
2018-07-19T00:28:38 < jadew> so if you had 10 of those it would be something
2018-07-19T00:29:34 < kakimir> if you buy bigger batch you get something like 1eur piece
2018-07-19T00:29:38 < kakimir> or less
2018-07-19T00:29:39 < jadew> that's 0.3 mW - doesn't seem bad, but you'd need to know what other similar displays consume
2018-07-19T00:29:48 < kakimir> it's like pcb
2018-07-19T00:29:56 < kakimir> pricing
2018-07-19T00:29:58 < jadew> yeah, the price is great eitherway
2018-07-19T00:30:27 < jadew> even for 5
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2018-07-19T00:33:52 < jadew> kakimir, is that for his power supply project?
2018-07-19T00:34:04 < kakimir> apparently
2018-07-19T00:34:05 < Thorn> in a lab PSU I'd rather like a raster LCD with a backlight
2018-07-19T00:34:13 < kakimir> sure thing
2018-07-19T00:34:18 < jadew> Thorn, I think this is a battery powered supply
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2018-07-19T00:34:23 < jadew> so it should be mobile
2018-07-19T00:34:23 < kakimir> that might be some sort of portable
2018-07-19T00:34:27 < kakimir> small thing
2018-07-19T00:34:30 < jadew> yeah
2018-07-19T00:34:33 < jadew> I'd buy that
2018-07-19T00:35:10 < jadew> I only have one supply that's sort of portable and that's because it rests on top of the equipment stack and I can move it around
2018-07-19T00:35:29 < jadew> but it's just the one and I often need two or more
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2018-07-19T00:41:06 < kakimir> I had my first pcbs manufactured
2018-07-19T00:41:28 < jadew> first time ever?
2018-07-19T00:41:58 < kakimir> pcb assemblies
2018-07-19T00:42:04 < jadew> ah
2018-07-19T00:42:05 < kakimir> not bare pcb
2018-07-19T00:42:10 < jadew> how did it go?
2018-07-19T00:42:44 < kakimir> no questions. then they dropped test data to my skype and video of the function
2018-07-19T00:42:53 < kakimir> it looks exactly like my piece
2018-07-19T00:43:03 < kakimir> it works exactly like my piece
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2018-07-19T00:43:26 < mitrax> kakimir: how many SMAs on that one?
2018-07-19T00:43:27 < kakimir> it matches to design parameters in all the measurements made on it
2018-07-19T00:43:41 < kakimir> 0
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2018-07-19T00:43:59 < jadew> https://www.amazon.in/Black-PS4-Controller-Stand-Printed/dp/B072DXBS1R
2018-07-19T00:44:19 < mitrax> who are you? what have you done to the real kakimir?
2018-07-19T00:44:54 < kakimir> I'm employed kakimir
2018-07-19T00:45:12 < kakimir> EEkakimir
2018-07-19T00:45:23 < Steffanx> kakimir what was your nick again before kakimir?
2018-07-19T00:45:54 < jadew> IRC should have faces
2018-07-19T00:46:08 < jadew> would be much easier to remember who everyone is
2018-07-19T00:47:29 < BrainDamage> so you had to chose between SMA and a job?
2018-07-19T00:47:41 < antto> we could then also rename it to something like facepuke
2018-07-19T00:47:45 < antto> oh wait
2018-07-19T00:47:46 < Steffanx> You can always come to the netherlands jadew 
2018-07-19T00:47:56 < capacitor> Yeah
2018-07-19T00:48:11 < jadew> Steffanx, I might
2018-07-19T00:48:35 < jadew> everyone should come to romania tho, would be so much easier for me
2018-07-19T00:48:42 < capacitor> Are there any Australian there
2018-07-19T00:48:43 < Steffanx> But.
2018-07-19T00:48:51 < mitrax> jadew: nick changes should be forbidden
2018-07-19T00:49:08 < BrainDamage> mitrax: solves nothing when you can just make a new account
2018-07-19T00:49:22 < Steffanx> You uses more than mitrax as well mitrax 
2018-07-19T00:49:29 < jadew> mitrax, I know, I've been meaning to change mine for a while now, but I didn't
2018-07-19T00:49:35 < Steffanx> I only know that. Just not what it was
2018-07-19T00:49:47  * antto renames mitrax to mitrax14 permanently
2018-07-19T00:49:53 < Steffanx> Used*
2018-07-19T00:49:53 < BrainDamage> I've literally seen the same discussion in a game I used to contribute
2018-07-19T00:50:02 < capacitor> What’s wrong with uncle bob
2018-07-19T00:50:04 < BrainDamage> after they blocked renames, I've got a couple hundred accounts
2018-07-19T00:50:11 < Steffanx> Lol
2018-07-19T00:50:13 < jadew> hah
2018-07-19T00:50:15 < mitrax> Steffanx: no, the nick change was an alternate nickname i've used in the past on Efnet, that was accidental
2018-07-19T00:50:22 < Steffanx> Ah.
2018-07-19T00:50:30 < antto> excuses.txt
2018-07-19T00:50:30 < mitrax> BrainDamage: of course, i wasn't being serious
2018-07-19T00:51:01 < Steffanx> We should rename ##stm32 thougg
2018-07-19T00:51:03 < Steffanx> Though
2018-07-19T00:51:10 < mitrax> antto: as in 14 y.o? 
2018-07-19T00:51:16 < antto> the / n i c k buttons on yer keyboard are still warm
2018-07-19T00:51:19 < jadew> Steffanx, that is doable, since freenode can redirect
2018-07-19T00:51:38 < BrainDamage>  ##OfftopicAndSomeEE
2018-07-19T00:51:49 < jadew> sounds about right
2018-07-19T00:52:19 < Steffanx> I know jadew. #stm32 was/is redirected
2018-07-19T00:52:28 < mitrax> capacitor: he bit his foot off 
2018-07-19T00:52:43 < capacitor> Not again!
2018-07-19T00:53:07 < Steffanx> 😱
2018-07-19T00:53:10 < kakimir> jadew: you mean like.. face irc
2018-07-19T00:53:46 < jadew> flirkr
2018-07-19T00:53:52 < antto> ##errythangdeserveshatin
2018-07-19T00:53:57 < kakimir> and it should work on browser! and have platform to send messages to other users!
2018-07-19T00:54:17 < antto> and viruses
2018-07-19T00:54:17 < jadew> what IRC needs is a new client
2018-07-19T00:54:43 < jadew> that's still classically looking but with support for media
2018-07-19T00:54:46 < antto> will it be able to load my mIRC scripts?
2018-07-19T00:54:59 < antto> and can i disable the media?
2018-07-19T00:55:01 < jadew> you'll have to convert them to python
2018-07-19T00:55:03 < BrainDamage> there's glowing pedobear
2018-07-19T00:55:18 < BrainDamage> but you need a weaboochat instance
2018-07-19T00:55:45 < capacitor> What is this channel now :/
2018-07-19T00:55:53 < jadew> I actually switched to chatzilla once and made a plugin that displayed images and youtube in the chat window
2018-07-19T00:56:00 < BrainDamage> group therapy
2018-07-19T00:56:16 < antto> capacitor 2018 irc vomit
2018-07-19T00:56:17 < capacitor> Welcome BrainDamage
2018-07-19T00:56:36 < BrainDamage> hello steven
2018-07-19T00:56:52 < capacitor> This is my fursona
2018-07-19T00:57:19 < BrainDamage> oh, sorry, hello hornyslut32
2018-07-19T00:57:34 < kakimir> ##ramble32
2018-07-19T00:59:14 < Steffanx> What would stvn do?
2018-07-19T00:59:33 < capacitor> Go to work
2018-07-19T00:59:40 < Steffanx> Why would he?
2018-07-19T00:59:58 < capacitor> This place is weird today
2018-07-19T00:59:58 < Steffanx> He could repair audio stuff instead
2018-07-19T01:00:10 < Steffanx> Mainly dj spills
2018-07-19T01:00:12 < capacitor> No ty
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2018-07-19T01:00:42 < capacitor> Snapped 1 layer phenolic boards
2018-07-19T01:00:58 < Steffanx> capacitor: the weirdness in on par with yours
2018-07-19T01:01:10 < capacitor> Cost 3c sell $80 from pioneer
2018-07-19T01:01:50 < capacitor> U wan buy?
2018-07-19T01:02:05 < BrainDamage> for 3c or 80$?
2018-07-19T01:02:13 < capacitor> $80
2018-07-19T01:02:23 < kakimir> didn't go out after work
2018-07-19T01:02:31 < kakimir> what is wrong with me
2018-07-19T01:02:38 < antto> u old
2018-07-19T01:02:40 < kakimir> 2 best days of the summer
2018-07-19T01:02:45 < BrainDamage> is it still lit outside?
2018-07-19T01:02:47 < kakimir> yesterday and today
2018-07-19T01:03:08 < kakimir> well I don't have lights on in my appartment and I can move around just fine
2018-07-19T01:03:18 < kakimir> with light from outside
2018-07-19T01:03:19 < capacitor> After work the sky is dark
2018-07-19T01:03:46 < kakimir> no no.. before and after work
2018-07-19T01:03:51 < capacitor> And there is an old man doing weird things to horses
2018-07-19T01:04:28 < kakimir> you need to go to work under artificial lighting and get back to home under artificial lighting
2018-07-19T01:04:47 < capacitor> Why
2018-07-19T01:05:00 < kakimir> because darkness
2018-07-19T01:05:06 < antto> because this is the future
2018-07-19T01:05:08 < capacitor> Oh
2018-07-19T01:05:16 < kakimir> yes
2018-07-19T01:05:17 < antto> the sun is dying
2018-07-19T01:05:24 < kakimir> certainly
2018-07-19T01:05:34 < antto> it's ill
2018-07-19T01:05:36 < antto> soon - ded
2018-07-19T01:05:36 < BrainDamage> everything is dying
2018-07-19T01:05:38 < capacitor> Does it have a virus
2018-07-19T01:05:43 < BrainDamage> the question is how fast
2018-07-19T01:05:59 < kakimir> pretty soon.. after few billion of years
2018-07-19T01:06:11 < antto> soon(TM)
2018-07-19T01:06:14 < capacitor> kakimir: tomorrow?
2018-07-19T01:06:29 < kakimir> not likelly
2018-07-19T01:06:50 < Steffanx> Sleep well antto 
2018-07-19T01:07:00 < antto> le wat?
2018-07-19T01:07:09 < Steffanx> Goos night.
2018-07-19T01:07:15 < Steffanx> Good even
2018-07-19T01:07:27 < jadew> night
2018-07-19T01:07:28 < antto> y u tellin me dis?
2018-07-19T01:07:38 < mitrax> SteffanX: good night!
2018-07-19T01:07:45 < Steffanx> I expected you to go sleep soon
2018-07-19T01:08:05 < Steffanx> Soon(tm)
2018-07-19T01:08:06 < capacitor> A few billion years
2018-07-19T01:08:09 < antto> u might b disapoinded
2018-07-19T01:08:10 < antto> ;P~
2018-07-19T01:08:25 < antto> such much typo
2018-07-19T01:08:26 < jadew> ah, I thought you (Steffan) are going to bed
2018-07-19T01:08:33 < Steffanx> Hah
2018-07-19T01:08:34  * jadew didn't follow the convo
2018-07-19T01:08:39  * BrainDamage puts pacifier in antto's mouth
2018-07-19T01:08:47 < antto> paci-wat?
2018-07-19T01:08:51 < jadew> I'm making a DVD stand for my son so I can recover one of my ikea boxes
2018-07-19T01:09:02 < capacitor> Put a syringe in mine
2018-07-19T01:09:15 < BrainDamage> https://www.todaysparent.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/playtex-baby-binky-silicon-pacifier-TPA-1280x960.jpg
2018-07-19T01:09:29 < antto> oh that sh*t
2018-07-19T01:09:34 < antto> >:(
2018-07-19T01:09:42 < BrainDamage> why do you censor shit
2018-07-19T01:09:52 < BrainDamage> it's not like the word is unclear if you omit a single letter
2018-07-19T01:09:54 < antto> by habbit
2018-07-19T01:10:13 < capacitor> Lol
2018-07-19T01:10:19 < BrainDamage> motherf*cker
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2018-07-19T01:10:28 < kakimir> hmm
2018-07-19T01:10:41 < antto> that needs a bit moar ***
2018-07-19T01:10:49 < kakimir> I wonder if this channel allowed to curse few years back?
2018-07-19T01:11:07 < BrainDamage> very few channels don't allow to
2018-07-19T01:11:25 < kakimir> or if it was less acceptable back then
2018-07-19T01:11:50 < capacitor> https://youtu.be/wpHDdCFF1Gw
2018-07-19T01:11:52 < kakimir> or if I just don't give a shit nowdays
2018-07-19T01:12:00 < Steffanx>  Hedde?
2018-07-19T01:12:00 < mitrax> talking about cursing, what happened to dongs?
2018-07-19T01:12:01 < antto> this channel is so edgy even without cursing ;P~
2018-07-19T01:12:16 < Steffanx> I heard hes in thailand mitrax 
2018-07-19T01:12:23 < mitrax> oh
2018-07-19T01:12:28 < mitrax> thailand.... mmmh
2018-07-19T01:12:37 < Steffanx> Actually taiwan, but.. thailand sounds funnier
2018-07-19T01:12:45 < capacitor> Hey Mac... you got a light?
2018-07-19T01:12:51 < Steffanx> More left open for your imagination
2018-07-19T01:13:24 < mitrax> yeah ... that didn't seem like a place dongs would go to
2018-07-19T01:13:27 < BrainDamage> he flew a submarine there
2018-07-19T01:13:37 < Steffanx> A yellow one?
2018-07-19T01:14:18 < antto> y u talking about the guy behind his back?
2018-07-19T01:15:09 < BrainDamage> it's not like it's stuff we don't say in his face either
2018-07-19T01:16:58 < antto> so wut he looking for in thailand?
2018-07-19T01:17:10 < mitrax> Taiwan
2018-07-19T01:17:17 < BrainDamage> deep caves
2018-07-19T01:17:34 < antto> (it's a trap question)
2018-07-19T01:17:48 < kakimir> moolah
2018-07-19T01:17:57 < Steffanx> Angst.
2018-07-19T01:18:02 < capacitor> Elon is looking for children
2018-07-19T01:18:11 < BrainDamage> pretty sure thailand is full of traps
2018-07-19T01:18:14 < antto> is Elon the new MJ?
2018-07-19T01:18:18 < capacitor> He wants to put them in his magical coffin
2018-07-19T01:18:24 < antto> hahaha
2018-07-19T01:18:47 < Thorn> what is the advantage in having the hotend fixed and the bed move on the z axis?
2018-07-19T01:18:57 < kakimir> show me the video of elons capsule
2018-07-19T01:19:21 < Steffanx> https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-full-story-behind-Elon-Musks-involvement-with-the-Thai-cave-rescue-effort must read for capacitor 
2018-07-19T01:19:42 < Steffanx> And how boring it all is
2018-07-19T01:19:50 < capacitor> Cool ty
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2018-07-19T01:27:44 < kakimir> maybe he is pedo
2018-07-19T01:28:18 < kakimir> at least musk probs stfu'd him
2018-07-19T01:28:29 < antto> he wuz gonna save teh boys and then invite them to his crib
2018-07-19T01:29:34 < karlp> I like it's "oh, you're british and you live in thailand? you must be a pedo and/or constantly in a brothel"
2018-07-19T01:30:03 < BrainDamage> there's literally no excuse for that, no matter how much he's frustrated
2018-07-19T01:30:05 < karlp> things like, "actually really good caving, climbing, better weather, food and cheaper all over"
2018-07-19T01:30:13 < karlp> just never even came into it.
2018-07-19T01:30:27 < BrainDamage> and he should've thought better than posting that to literally 10M people
2018-07-19T01:30:27 < karlp> no, none whatsoever.
2018-07-19T01:31:08 < antto> PR action -> success
2018-07-19T01:31:20 < antto> ++musk.moneyz;
2018-07-19T01:31:32 < BrainDamage> half of that article is sucking up and not providing a concrete motivation
2018-07-19T01:32:09 < BrainDamage> eg >So, in sum, a wealthy problem-solver with a long history of responding to charity requests on Twitter is asked to see what he can do to help.
2018-07-19T01:32:12 < BrainDamage> asked from who?
2018-07-19T01:32:27 < antto> his imaginary friend
2018-07-19T01:49:42 < karlp> antto: I reallllly don't think the days of "all press is good press" are still with us.
2018-07-19T01:56:02 < kakimir> it's shitfest
2018-07-19T02:01:51 < jadew> think this will work as a DVD rack? https://imgur.com/a/2hrgM8P
2018-07-19T02:02:26 < Thorn> what's DVD
2018-07-19T02:02:58 < jadew> magic mirror
2018-07-19T02:05:58 < jadew> hmm... the test print would last 1.5 hours
2018-07-19T02:09:36 < Thorn> does everyone here have 3d printers
2018-07-19T02:09:47 < Thorn> moneyed westerners
2018-07-19T02:10:06 < jadew> I live in eastern europe
2018-07-19T02:10:09 < englishman> wut
2018-07-19T02:10:14 < englishman> they are cheap and dumb
2018-07-19T02:10:21 < englishman> why don't you have one
2018-07-19T02:10:44 < englishman> 4 small stepper motors, some belts, tarduino
2018-07-19T02:11:47 < englishman> not exactly fighting capitalism here
2018-07-19T02:11:56 < Thorn> 5 small stepper motors
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2018-07-19T02:12:07 < englishman> what's the 5th axis?
2018-07-19T02:12:19 < Thorn> 2 for the z axis
2018-07-19T02:12:25 < englishman> not on mine
2018-07-19T02:12:44 < englishman> I guess those opensores ones do that
2018-07-19T02:13:35 < englishman> I bet you can trade 2 obrez for one 3d printer
2018-07-19T02:13:50 < karlp> I don't have the _space_ for one.
2018-07-19T02:13:56 < karlp> obrez?
2018-07-19T02:14:14 < karlp> why would you have 2 for the x axis?
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2018-07-19T02:22:24 < Thorn> the hotend moves vertically on 2 threaded rods
2018-07-19T02:23:03 < BrainDamage> I don't have a 3d printer
2018-07-19T02:23:24 < englishman> you have enough spaghetti in your life already
2018-07-19T02:23:56 < BrainDamage> I don't like spaghetti
2018-07-19T02:24:07 < BrainDamage> I use other kinds of long pasta for oily sauces
2018-07-19T02:24:18 < BrainDamage> spaghetti are generally too messy to be worth
2018-07-19T02:26:10 < karlp> so.... what kinds of long pasta do you use?
2018-07-19T02:26:24 < karlp> and what constitues "oily" sauces vs.... "???" sauces?
2018-07-19T02:26:26 < Laurenceb> no 3d printer
2018-07-19T02:26:31 < Laurenceb> no maker points 4 u
2018-07-19T02:26:47 < BrainDamage> karlp: the oily sauces are ... oil based, pesto, etc
2018-07-19T02:27:39 < BrainDamage> bavette ( rarely ), mostly tagliatelle
2018-07-19T02:27:55 < BrainDamage> they have a rough surface and have much more surface area per length
2018-07-19T02:29:17 < Laurenceb> wew https://www.bksv.com/media/doc/bp0389.pdf
2018-07-19T02:29:28 < BrainDamage> oily sauces go well with long pasta because it sticks better due to more surface exposed, if you were to make say rigatoni with pesto, it still works fine, but it'll pool a bit
2018-07-19T02:29:28 < Laurenceb> audiophool shit that isnt phool
2018-07-19T02:35:51  * karlp nods and thinks at braindamage.
2018-07-19T02:36:04 < karlp> I don't think I've ever really made oily pasta.
2018-07-19T02:36:16 < karlp> it's either creamy or tomatoy
2018-07-19T02:36:25 < karlp> I've never been big on pesto I guess.
2018-07-19T02:39:49 < BrainDamage> karlp: try tagliatelle with porcini mushrooms, it's lovely
2018-07-19T02:44:26 < karlp> that sounds like half a dish :)
2018-07-19T02:45:39  * karlp served up tortelli (with cheese inside) tonight, with a tomato based sauce, garlic, onion, a little mushroom, some fried ham, and some wilted spinach
2018-07-19T02:45:45 < karlp> tortellini sorry
2018-07-19T02:47:32 < BrainDamage> most italian dishes are from very poor tradiction, the structure and the ingredients are simple, if you want more, you just make more than one dish
2018-07-19T02:48:24 < BrainDamage> also, the flavour is still excellent, it's not like there's just the mushrooms, there's the scallops, the white wine, the oil, the broth, etc
2018-07-19T02:48:48 < karlp> yeah, I know, just always struggle with "here's pasta plus _an_ ingredient"
2018-07-19T02:48:53 < karlp> if the ingredient is great, awesome.
2018-07-19T02:49:16 < karlp> I had a friend serve me tinned (quality) tomatos and expensive spaghetti, and it did change my view on such simple mixes.
2018-07-19T02:49:27 < karlp> but hard to keep up with.
2018-07-19T02:49:46 < karlp> and I swear she paid more than I did for a deficiently imbalanced diet.
2018-07-19T02:50:10 < BrainDamage> it is true, the simpler the recipe, the more the ingredients and the method matter
2018-07-19T02:50:23 < BrainDamage> however, finding decent quality ingredients is easy here
2018-07-19T02:51:15 < BrainDamage> and yes, supermarket bought tomatoes are a bit bland, it's a consequence of how they process them
2018-07-19T02:51:38 < BrainDamage> they pick them when they are still rather raw, and then they ripen them with ethylene
2018-07-19T02:51:48 < BrainDamage> vs ripening them on the vine
2018-07-19T02:52:20 < BrainDamage> in the first case, the amount of 'stuff' they pack, it was the one present while they were picked - they just swell
2018-07-19T02:52:31 < BrainDamage> in the latter, they keep receiving as they ripen
2018-07-19T02:52:50 < BrainDamage> the problem is the transportation, if you were to pick the vine ripened ones, they'd be spoiled by the time they reach you
2018-07-19T02:53:17 < BrainDamage> hence why, either you buy from a local source, or you buy canned ones
2018-07-19T02:53:32 < BrainDamage> because canned are often vine ripened, and then just canned, which stops the spoiling
2018-07-19T02:53:53 < karlp> oh yeah, I come from a family of fresh fruit farmers :)
2018-07-19T02:54:15 < karlp> I understand, but it doesn't always make it sane/rational to try some of these "simple" recipes
2018-07-19T02:54:25 < karlp> particularly not on my little rock in the atlantic.
2018-07-19T02:54:55 < BrainDamage> wherever I go, I try to eat the local food
2018-07-19T02:55:09 < BrainDamage> it's generally well adapted to the local ingredients, etc
2018-07-19T02:55:19 < karlp> generally, sure.
2018-07-19T02:55:22 < BrainDamage> also, always interesting to see what they can come up with
2018-07-19T02:55:26 < karlp> that too :)
2018-07-19T02:55:42 < karlp> I think we're finally moving into a modern era here.
2018-07-19T02:56:01 < karlp> food is no longer "boiled until people are ready for dinner" as much as before.
2018-07-19T02:56:19 < karlp> people seem to actually agree at last that food can, and is allowed to, taste good.
2018-07-19T02:56:25 < BrainDamage> my mother has that approach with greens
2018-07-19T02:56:40 < BrainDamage> always refused to eat them
2018-07-19T02:56:49 < BrainDamage> even the neighbours would notice the smell
2018-07-19T02:57:14 < BrainDamage> I can name douzens way to prepare them,  why always boil ....
2018-07-19T02:59:50 < englishman> USA hasn't figured this out yet
2018-07-19T03:00:10 < englishman> in the last 2 weeks we've found maybe 3-4 good places to eat
2018-07-19T03:00:22 < branjb> places to eat in the US keep getting worse
2018-07-19T03:00:33 < englishman> And none of those places served hamburgers
2018-07-19T03:00:35 < branjb> ever place adds $12 "gourmet mac n cheese" that tastes like shit
2018-07-19T03:00:55 < englishman> The price of food here is crazy, for the quality
2018-07-19T03:01:02 < branjb> in the US or canada?
2018-07-19T03:01:06 < englishman> Usa
2018-07-19T03:01:08 < branjb> yeah
2018-07-19T03:01:22 < branjb> I've noticed it's gone up a lot in the last 5-6 years
2018-07-19T03:01:51 < branjb> used to be able to get burgers for like $7-10 at restaurants, that shit is $11-16 now
2018-07-19T03:01:57 < branjb> no way inflation has gone up 33% in that time
2018-07-19T03:02:43 < englishman> Beer too
2018-07-19T03:02:48 < englishman> Never going to USA again
2018-07-19T03:02:59 < englishman> Next stop is Bratislava or something
2018-07-19T03:03:00 < branjb> this year I completely stopped eating out and exclusively cook at home
2018-07-19T03:03:19 < branjb> yeah $8 for a bottle of beer that's not even on tap
2018-07-19T03:03:26 < branjb> $8 for one beer or $8 for a 6 pack from the store
2018-07-19T03:03:27 < englishman> Well at home is different from travelling
2018-07-19T03:03:44 < englishman> Tho we have shopped and cooked during this trip when we had a kitchen
2018-07-19T03:03:48 < englishman> Same in EU
2018-07-19T03:03:53 < branjb> price wise?
2018-07-19T03:04:01 < branjb> oh same in 
2018-07-19T03:04:02 < englishman> Cooking vs restaurant
2018-07-19T03:04:52 < branjb> i'm no commie but it is laughable to see how much prices have increased on shit without wages really going up 
2018-07-19T03:05:14 < branjb> seems like prices are up 30% in some cases from just a few years ago
2018-07-19T03:05:22 < branjb> gas, food, beer
2018-07-19T03:05:24 < BrainDamage> I would actually love to see a currency where the exchange rate is defined as the average cost of life in the country
2018-07-19T03:05:46 < BrainDamage> then you could compare the effective buying power from the various wages around
2018-07-19T03:05:57 < branjb> my buying power just keeps going down
2018-07-19T03:06:04 < branjb> despite how gr8 world economy is doing
2018-07-19T03:06:10 < branjb> beer run time
2018-07-19T03:07:09  * karlp loves how you felt the need to sya "I'm no commie"
2018-07-19T03:07:55 < branjb> yeah had to disclaimer that so you didn't get any ideas
2018-07-19T03:08:32 < BrainDamage> the rest of the world isn't as phobic as the US, FWIW
2018-07-19T03:08:51  * karlp laughs
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2018-07-19T03:16:57 < englishman> his buying power has dropped because Americans now buy everything from jeff bezos
2018-07-19T03:21:52 < branjb> beef is $13/lb from costco, cheapest in town
2018-07-19T03:22:35 < englishman> and it's that american hormonal angus crap
2018-07-19T03:22:38 < branjb> yeah
2018-07-19T03:22:51 < branjb> USD is turning into canadian monopoly money
2018-07-19T03:23:28 < branjb> I don't know if there is a beef shortage or what, but I started buying lamb because it's only a few $ more per lb than beef
2018-07-19T03:24:12 < englishman> Yeah on the west coast you can have lamb flown in fresh from NZ for a similar price
2018-07-19T03:27:10 < branjb> pork is really cheap though.. been getting pork shoulders and tossing it in the crockpot for a few days, then i have pork sandwhiches and pork and eggs for weeks
2018-07-19T03:27:13 < branjb> #stm32cooking
2018-07-19T03:34:01 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/U72FCgo.jpg
2018-07-19T03:34:07 < englishman> #stm32farm
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2018-07-19T03:43:36 < BrainDamage> too few marijuana plants in the pic to be stm32
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2018-07-19T04:01:18 < englishman> is that why innovations have dried up lately
2018-07-19T04:11:49 < englishman> $20 to pet cats at a cat café in SF
2018-07-19T04:12:16 < BrainDamage> I hope at least they are catgirls
2018-07-19T04:12:53 < BrainDamage> for that price they might as well have genetically engineered catgirls for domestic ownership
2018-07-19T04:13:33 < englishman> Thorn: how much to pet the lynx
2018-07-19T04:14:18 < englishman> can you imagine paying $20 every time you touched a cat
2018-07-19T04:14:25 < englishman> I'd be homeless too
2018-07-19T04:14:37 < englishman> Like most SF residents
2018-07-19T04:14:49 < Thorn> hi mr. englishman have a kitteh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgOJ-nGREoE
2018-07-19T04:14:57 < englishman> Ty
2018-07-19T04:15:24 < BrainDamage> is that you in the pip thorn?
2018-07-19T04:17:34 < Thorn> not quite
2018-07-19T04:18:35 < Thorn> part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X6AgqKrmWE
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2018-07-19T06:31:58 < bitmask> I am happy to have a chance to do the business with you. We will pack it well and send it quickly, also hope you will get it as soon as possible. 
2018-07-19T06:39:24 < englishman> branjb: just went to a place with $12 mac and cheese. Thought of you.
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2018-07-19T09:11:46 < Hamilton> Anyone knows how can I learn about motor control and motion control? I've passed courses on electrical machines and such but I'm looking for a book which after reading it, I could actually understand like BLDC motors and different way of driving them
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2018-07-19T10:00:24 < capacitor> Ye
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2018-07-19T10:17:29 < capacitor> Is stffn alright, do you know?
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2018-07-19T11:03:23 < con3> So I'm trying to start a time based timer in interrupt mode. Everytime when the timer is configure, the Update interrupt flag gets enabled in the SR register. I've tried clearing it in all ways possible. But it won't clear. This causes the timer interrupt to trigger immediately once the initialization is finished. Has anyone experienced this?
2018-07-19T11:04:39 < jpa-> how do you determine that it doesn't clear?
2018-07-19T11:04:55 < jpa-> it will of course get re-set every time the timer overflows
2018-07-19T11:06:24 < jpa-> just to test, you can set the UDIS bit in CR1 and see if the UIF stays clear then
2018-07-19T11:06:52 < jpa-> it should be possible to clear it just by TIMx->SR &= ~TIM_SR_UIF;
2018-07-19T11:07:25 < con3> I'm looking at the registers directly. Everytime it passes the functions it remains 1. At this point, I'm not even starting the timer but the interrupt gets triggered
2018-07-19T11:09:15 < con3> The bit gets set in the TIM_Base_SetConfig function, right here: https://pastebin.com/tNhxqWtU
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2018-07-19T11:11:09 < zyp> sounds like a misconfiguration
2018-07-19T11:11:14 < zyp> how do you have the timer configured?
2018-07-19T11:12:51 < con3> zyp: It does seem to be a problem from forums, but having the bit reset just doesn't seem to work for me which is weird
2018-07-19T11:12:52 < con3> https://community.st.com/thread/31169
2018-07-19T11:12:58 < con3> https://community.st.com/thread/43442-stm32f103-timer-interrupt-issue
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2018-07-19T11:13:36 < con3> my configuration:
2018-07-19T11:13:37 < con3> https://pastebin.com/z09w2xyt
2018-07-19T11:15:12 < con3> and I'm not starting the timer at all, but the interrupt gets triggered cause after this: https://pastebin.com/tNhxqWtU  the UIF flag goes high
2018-07-19T11:16:00 < zyp> where did you enable the interrupt?
2018-07-19T11:16:19 < zyp> as far as I can see, the threads you linked already contains the solution
2018-07-19T11:17:05 < con3> zyp: I agree, but this solution doesn't seem to work which is weird.I'll retry and report back
2018-07-19T11:17:15 < con3> https://imgur.com/a/t4NAM6g
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2018-07-19T11:37:52 < con3> ok no somethign weird is up with my ide(atollic) Commenting out functions doesn't work. it still calls the commented out code
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2018-07-19T11:54:02 < Haohmaru> o_O
2018-07-19T11:54:38 < Haohmaru> why would the IDE be guilty here?
2018-07-19T11:55:11 < Haohmaru> are you editing a source code file which isn't the one being part of the compilation?
2018-07-19T11:55:22 < Haohmaru> are you flashing an older elf/hex?
2018-07-19T11:55:29 < con3> Haohmaru: I'm not sure whats going on, but adding or commenting out code does nothing. Any commented out function is still called, any additional code it never called
2018-07-19T11:55:46 < con3> Haohmaru: I'm looking into this now
2018-07-19T11:55:48 < Haohmaru> smells like what i said
2018-07-19T11:56:26 < Haohmaru> erase (or rename) the elf/hex you're flashing, and recompile, see if a new one will pop up
2018-07-19T11:58:23 < con3> Haohmaru: The ELF seems to be linked correctly
2018-07-19T11:59:20 < Haohmaru> do you have .lss .map and such files generated from that .elf?
2018-07-19T11:59:26 < Haohmaru> you'd better have em
2018-07-19T11:59:37 < Haohmaru> then check them and see if yer functions are there
2018-07-19T12:00:56 < Haohmaru> also, if you say a function is commented out yet it appears to be getting called.. put something non-compilable in one of these functions, to see if the compiler chokes on it (it shouldn't if it's really commented out)
2018-07-19T12:01:05 < Haohmaru> like "kjassad" in the middle of a function
2018-07-19T12:01:20 < con3> ^will do this
2018-07-19T12:01:29 < Haohmaru> or "dolan tramp haz nice hair"
2018-07-19T12:01:32 < con3> map and lss is there
2018-07-19T12:01:51 < Haohmaru> ^ that should NEVER compile ;P~
2018-07-19T12:02:26 < Haohmaru> or a #error "aha!"
2018-07-19T12:03:18 < con3> I feel betrayed, I put dolan tramp haz nice hair randomly in the coed, not part of a function or anything, not even as a text and it compiled successfully
2018-07-19T12:03:21 < con3> Haohmaru: 
2018-07-19T12:04:15 < con3> wait. its linking to another project
2018-07-19T12:04:35 < Haohmaru> there ya go
2018-07-19T12:04:41 < con3> which doesnt exist
2018-07-19T12:05:03 < con3> this just pops up in the console
2018-07-19T12:05:17 < con3> No source file named ......\TestSD - Copy\Debug/..\Src\main.c.\
2018-07-19T12:06:00 < Haohmaru> aww, mixed path separator chars, spaces in the path names, wonderfurrr
2018-07-19T12:06:09 < Haohmaru> ;]
2018-07-19T12:06:23 < con3> The elf is linked correctly in the run/debug settings... how the heck can i fix this :/
2018-07-19T12:06:56 < Haohmaru> no idea i use C::B
2018-07-19T12:07:02  * Haohmaru hides
2018-07-19T12:07:20 < con3> Time to google
2018-07-19T12:07:37 < Haohmaru> maybe close the IDE and reopen it
2018-07-19T12:07:48 < Haohmaru> and/or try to load just this one project
2018-07-19T12:08:22 < con3> Haohmaru: I've done exactly that, still bugs out
2018-07-19T12:08:36 < Haohmaru> how is it building? using a makefile?
2018-07-19T12:08:50 < con3> yes
2018-07-19T12:09:03  * Haohmaru is allergic to makefiles
2018-07-19T12:13:45 < Thorn> con3: make clean / delete the build folder and rebuild (if you haven't done that already)
2018-07-19T12:14:48 < con3> Thorn: The folder containing my elf,.list and map file?
2018-07-19T12:14:59 < Thorn> and .o files
2018-07-19T12:15:24 < con3> deleted
2018-07-19T12:15:45 < zyp> wonderful tools
2018-07-19T12:15:48 < karlp> (and check that your file changes are actually saved)
2018-07-19T12:16:14 < con3> ok so if I delete it, I should just rebuild in atollic and then go to the debuger?
2018-07-19T12:16:14 < Haohmaru> and if still compiles into the same result - it must be compiling different source files than those you think it should.. check the build commands closely
2018-07-19T12:16:37 < con3> still builds but doesn't debug
2018-07-19T12:17:03 < Haohmaru> does an #error compile?
2018-07-19T12:17:05 < Haohmaru> ;P~
2018-07-19T12:17:57 < Haohmaru> is the file you're editting in the IDE being saved actually to disk with the changes?
2018-07-19T12:18:25 < Thorn> if you're using make it should print exactly all the compile/link commands that it's issuing, look at them check source paths (and all other paths too)
2018-07-19T12:19:05 < Haohmaru> hopefull the makefile is not generated by cortana.exe
2018-07-19T12:19:17 < Haohmaru> then it'll say "we're preparing some things..."
2018-07-19T12:20:56 < con3> here's the console output when running the build
2018-07-19T12:20:56 < con3> https://pastebin.com/A4tV5NrM
2018-07-19T12:21:09 < con3> it now acknowladges that no .elf file exists
2018-07-19T12:21:38 < con3> it has generated a .list but nothing else..
2018-07-19T12:22:54 < Haohmaru> con3 there ya go
2018-07-19T12:23:00 < Haohmaru> makefile generated by cortana.exe
2018-07-19T12:23:17 < Haohmaru> it hides all the actual important things
2018-07-19T12:23:46 < Haohmaru> you need to look into the actual compiler invokations with their arguments and sh*t
2018-07-19T12:26:38 < con3> FML
2018-07-19T12:27:05 < con3> how did this even happen
2018-07-19T12:27:38 < Haohmaru> maybe your java got silently updated and it broke your IDE?
2018-07-19T12:27:52 < Haohmaru> i'm kidding ;P~
2018-07-19T12:31:18 < Thorn> when you download TrueStudio you download communism
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2018-07-19T12:32:33 < capacitor> cool
2018-07-19T12:32:43 < capacitor> i want to try some
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2018-07-19T12:34:42 < capacitor> ty
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2018-07-19T12:44:57 < jpa-> haha, finnish media; a transformer station burns up, news headlines: "Explosion at Olkiluoto nuclear plant!!"
2018-07-19T12:45:22 < zyp> ha¨h
2018-07-19T12:46:24 < jpa-> https://www.fingrid.fi/-/custom/sahkojarjestelman-tila-169/   fortunately zyp loans us some power
2018-07-19T12:47:25 < zyp> :)
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2018-07-19T12:48:27 < Steffanx> So youll be dead before me jpa- 
2018-07-19T12:48:40 < Steffanx> Youll never see dutchland getting flooded
2018-07-19T12:50:58 < jpa-> i'll find a way
2018-07-19T12:51:17 < capacitor> 836 MW
2018-07-19T12:54:14 < mitrax> that's 1374 MW short
2018-07-19T12:54:25 < capacitor> onkalo
2018-07-19T12:54:31 < capacitor> that'll be interesting
2018-07-19T13:09:03 < con3> So I cna build the project now. But it can't find any libraries included...
2018-07-19T13:09:11 < con3> ..\Drivers\STM32F7xx_HAL_Driver\Src\stm32f7xx_hal_cortex.c:99:27: fatal error: stm32f7xx_hal.h: No such file or directory
2018-07-19T13:09:18 < con3> getting this even though the file is there
2018-07-19T13:09:34 < con3> I also included it in the build settings under library paths 
2018-07-19T13:15:40 < Haohmaru> the .h file is not a library
2018-07-19T13:22:16 < con3> hmm..
2018-07-19T13:37:19 < con3> considering burning my pc
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2018-07-19T13:43:29 < Haohmaru> con3 the compiler looks for headers in the "include directories" .. those which get passed with -I argument
2018-07-19T13:43:50 < Haohmaru> the linker looks for libraries in the "library paths" which are passed with -L
2018-07-19T13:43:56 < con3> can I completely uninstall and remove all settings of this fuckn program from my pc?
2018-07-19T13:43:57 < Haohmaru> you need -I
2018-07-19T13:44:07 < con3> like just a clean fresh install
2018-07-19T13:44:19 < con3> cause its linking to the old project again
2018-07-19T13:44:35 < Haohmaru> :/
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2018-07-19T13:44:50 < Steffanx> Arent you using truestudio?
2018-07-19T13:44:55 < con3> I am
2018-07-19T13:45:06 < Steffanx> Settings are in your workspace and/or project
2018-07-19T13:45:19 < Steffanx> So start a new project and/or workspace
2018-07-19T13:45:21 < con3> Steffanx: Thanks, going to remove all this shit
2018-07-19T13:45:29 < Steffanx> Just switch.
2018-07-19T13:45:37 < capacitor> keil
2018-07-19T13:45:43 < Steffanx> Or that.
2018-07-19T13:45:52 < Haohmaru> $keil$
2018-07-19T13:46:00 < Steffanx> F0 keil is free.
2018-07-19T13:46:07 < Steffanx> L0 KEIL is free
2018-07-19T13:46:21 < Haohmaru> the first dose of drugs is free
2018-07-19T13:46:33 < Haohmaru> that's how it starts
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2018-07-19T13:47:31 < con3> Been a while since I've hated something
2018-07-19T13:48:27 < Haohmaru> that's why i use just one IDE
2018-07-19T13:49:15 < Haohmaru> otherwise you learn whatever IDE they throw at you
2018-07-19T13:49:19 < Haohmaru> and they will
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2018-07-19T13:56:31  * Laurenceb goes shopping https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44884183
2018-07-19T13:56:38  * Haohmaru hides under his umbrella
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2018-07-19T14:21:11 < Haohmaru> aww
2018-07-19T14:23:53 < jpa-> ChanServ has been bitchy lately
2018-07-19T14:24:35 < Steffanx> Im not sorry.
2018-07-19T14:24:53 < Steffanx> Fuck this crap posting especially right after joining
2018-07-19T14:26:19 < Steffanx> Hes been not to do that by multiple fellow ##stm32ers
2018-07-19T14:26:24 < Steffanx> Asked*
2018-07-19T14:29:06 < Haohmaru> u showered his eggscitement with cold water
2018-07-19T14:30:57 < Haohmaru> Laurenceb pls, no random pics
2018-07-19T14:31:37 < Haohmaru> i don't care too much about some feminist b*tch located in the US or whatever
2018-07-19T14:32:28 < Haohmaru> otoh, i post random pics of my cat
2018-07-19T14:32:32 < Haohmaru> and she nekkid
2018-07-19T14:33:22 < Haohmaru> i also haven't asked her for permission to take pics in the first place
2018-07-19T14:35:44 < Steffanx> + Laurenceb posting crap in private after such event doesnt help him either
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2018-07-19T14:37:28 < Haohmaru> well he woz muted
2018-07-19T14:43:05 < Steffanx> Haohmaru/ jpa- you can subscribe by posting /msg laurenceb on
2018-07-19T14:43:50 < Haohmaru> "subscribe" ?!
2018-07-19T14:44:52 < Steffanx> To his crap links.
2018-07-19T14:45:33 < Haohmaru> but.. i don't even understand most of them
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2018-07-19T16:53:53 < Thorn> so Russian filament is twice as cheap as the Chinese one, even PETG (https://www.syntechlab.ru/). where is the catch
2018-07-19T16:54:27 < Haohmaru> but have u tried putin' it in yer print0r?
2018-07-19T16:55:09 < Thorn> not yet due to the lack of a print0r
2018-07-19T16:55:47 < Haohmaru> if a 3D print0r could print itself out of nothing
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2018-07-19T18:28:56 < rewolff> I want to have a timer trigger a DMA transaction. I have this working for the UPDATE event: When the timer overflows, and I have UDE in DIER set, the DMA transaction happens. 
2018-07-19T18:28:56 < rewolff> But I want to have every change of the timer (connected to an encoder) trigger a DMA transaction. Is that possible? I would have thought that this would happen when I set TDE in the DIER. 
2018-07-19T18:29:59 < aandrew> every timer update trigger a DMA? I don't see how you could do that without setting the timer value or a compare value to maximal count so when it overflows you get the event you want
2018-07-19T18:30:08 < aandrew> oh
2018-07-19T18:30:22 < aandrew> you might be able to do that by setting the autoreload to max-1 
2018-07-19T18:31:01 < aandrew> < Thorn> so Russian filament is twice as cheap as the Chinese one, even PETG (https://www.syntechlab.ru/). where is the catch
2018-07-19T18:31:04 < aandrew> < Haohmaru> but have u tried putin' it in yer print0r?
2018-07-19T18:31:04 < aandrew> huehuehuehue
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2018-07-19T18:34:50 < kakimir> how do I return a struct with set values without initializing a variable?
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2018-07-19T18:35:06 < kakimir> so that I set struct values inside return
2018-07-19T18:36:42 < kakimir> return (type){.poo=1} ?
2018-07-19T18:38:01 < kakimir> doesn't at least complain
2018-07-19T18:38:07 < kakimir> maybe it's okay
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2018-07-19T18:45:05 < aandrew> kakimir: I dont think you can
2018-07-19T18:45:17 < aandrew> might ask in ##C if you're willing to put up with the pedantry
2018-07-19T18:45:24 < kakimir> why doesn't it complain?
2018-07-19T18:45:30 < kakimir> code checker*
2018-07-19T18:45:44 < aandrew> hm let me see
2018-07-19T18:46:36 < aandrew> I don't know that you can do that. you can't return a struct, only a pointer to one
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2018-07-19T19:00:33 < kakimir> it seems that return (type){.poo=1} compiles
2018-07-19T19:09:41 < kakimir> I could use GPIO pin to precharge low pass filter
2018-07-19T19:10:06 < kakimir> when my sensor is switched on and off like 4times a second
2018-07-19T19:10:12 < kakimir> it takes time for voltage to settle
2018-07-19T19:10:44 < kakimir> LDO is 2.6 and signal is 2.5
2018-07-19T19:11:09 < kakimir> so - I could wait less for sensors to come around and low pass filter voltage to settle
2018-07-19T19:11:44 < kakimir> interestings
2018-07-19T19:12:08 < kakimir> or wait slightly shorter time
2018-07-19T19:12:19 < kakimir> and still get super accurate results
2018-07-19T19:12:42 < kakimir> I wonder what sensors like about switching on and off million times per day
2018-07-19T19:18:13 < Steffanx> Whats wrong with passing a pointer to a struct and fill that me kakimir ?
2018-07-19T19:21:43 < kakimir> so small
2018-07-19T19:21:47 < kakimir> also pointers
2018-07-19T19:21:52 < kakimir> let's be safe
2018-07-19T19:22:09 < kakimir> only 2 x uint16_t
2018-07-19T19:22:35 < kakimir> works
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2018-07-19T19:42:22 < Thorn> https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/crime-and-justice/3dprinted-guns-found-in-queensland-raid/news-story/1d4914e9172aa1b63b8acd13c478f295
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2018-07-19T20:21:15 < kakimir> let's go outside
2018-07-19T20:21:25 < kakimir> !wz oulu
2018-07-19T20:21:26 < englishbot> [Oulu, Finland] Clear. Temp is 29.6°C.
2018-07-19T20:21:39 < kakimir> yes
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2018-07-19T20:54:00 < antto> !wz varna
2018-07-19T20:54:02 < englishbot> [Varna, Bulgaria] Scattered Clouds. Temp is 23.5°C. West wind: 1.4 kph. Humidity: 76%.
2018-07-19T20:58:14 < Steffanx> !wz pizza
2018-07-19T20:58:15 < englishbot> [Pizza, Nigeria] Rain. Temp is 23°C. South wind: 6 kph.
2018-07-19T20:58:48 < antto> it's raining pizzas?
2018-07-19T20:58:50 < antto> \o/
2018-07-19T20:59:00  * antto opens mouth and faces teh sky
2018-07-19T20:59:13 < antto> hm, or maybe that's not a good idea
2018-07-19T21:01:19 < mitrax> !wz dongola
2018-07-19T21:01:21 < englishbot> [Dongola, Canada] Clear. Temp is 24.5°C. SSE wind: 1.6 kph.
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2018-07-19T21:14:29 < jadew> Steffanx, looks like both the retraction length and retraction speed matter for the clogs caused by too much retraction
2018-07-19T21:15:12 < jadew> "It is in fact not so much the amount of retracts that affects the likelihood of a clog but rather their speed and lenght. If you retract too quickly and too much filament, you risk to have molten plastic being "sucked" into the cold end, solidify, and act as a glue, blocking the filament in place."
2018-07-19T21:15:31 < jadew> I reduced my retraction length and speed and I don't seem to experience any issues anymore
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2018-07-19T21:15:50 < jadew> I'll have to experiment with that to see what the optimal values are
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2018-07-19T21:31:07 < vampi-the-frog> baww I blew up my speakers :(
2018-07-19T21:31:25 < vampi-the-frog> https://www.musictri.be/Categories/Behringer/Loudspeaker-Systems/Studio-Monitoring/STUDIO-50USB/p/P0AVZ
2018-07-19T21:31:34 < vampi-the-frog> well "monitors"
2018-07-19T21:31:49 < vampi-the-frog> a while ago the power supply started pulsing
2018-07-19T21:31:54 < vampi-the-frog> so I replaced all the caps
2018-07-19T21:32:01 < vampi-the-frog> but it turns out it was one of the amplifier chips
2018-07-19T21:32:16 < vampi-the-frog> so I took the heatsink off to see how fast they heat up
2018-07-19T21:32:26 < vampi-the-frog> well good thing I took my finger off it cause it burst into flames
2018-07-19T21:32:42 < vampi-the-frog> there's another chip under the same heatsink, that one is fine
2018-07-19T21:33:00 < vampi-the-frog> it could actually drive the left speaker without the chip that blew up
2018-07-19T21:33:09 < vampi-the-frog> but there is an 100 ohm resistor that makes smoke
2018-07-19T21:33:12 < vampi-the-frog> so I dunno what happened
2018-07-19T21:33:20 < vampi-the-frog> I'll try to just order the entire PCB
2018-07-19T21:33:40 < vampi-the-frog> the speakers and tweeters are fine
2018-07-19T21:34:41 < vampi-the-frog> a short time after I bought them they went silent
2018-07-19T21:35:05 < vampi-the-frog> I carried them like 3 times to the service location before they decided to change the PCB entirely
2018-07-19T21:35:08 < vampi-the-frog> cause they kept turning off
2018-07-19T21:35:16 < vampi-the-frog> and now this
2018-07-19T21:35:21 < vampi-the-frog> so, IMO, shoddy worksmanship
2018-07-19T21:35:39 < vampi-the-frog> perhaps I can find a ready-made amplifier board and just use that instead
2018-07-19T21:36:42 < vampi-the-frog> speaker is 4 ohm 30W
2018-07-19T21:36:51 < vampi-the-frog> not sure about the tweeter, it's behind a wood panel
2018-07-19T21:41:45 < Thorn> vampi-the-blog
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2018-07-19T21:49:33 < Thorn> are per layer transparency settings gone in altium disaster 18?
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2018-07-19T21:59:42 < zyp> haha
2018-07-19T22:02:42 < rewolff1> aandrew, thanks for your help. But I would like the counter to work too. On the other hand, having two counters connected to the encoder would be a workaround if necessary. 
2018-07-19T22:04:00 < Thorn> zyp: which trinamic driver(s) did you have in mind? they have a crap ton of them https://www.trinamic.com/fileadmin/assets/Products/Trinamic_ProductGuide_ICs_2018_V2-2_Web.pdf
2018-07-19T22:05:27 < Steffanx> vampi-the-frog, you should tell capacitor/stvn/crt this story. He will like :)
2018-07-19T22:05:51 < Steffanx> ( as you might know he was into the business to repair stuff like that )
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2018-07-19T22:13:01 < zyp> Thorn, not sure exactly which
2018-07-19T22:13:18 < zyp> duet3d is using the tmc2660, so I was looking at that
2018-07-19T22:13:19 < vampi-the-frog> nah I'm over it
2018-07-19T22:13:38 < vampi-the-frog> I'll call them tomorrow and see if they can sell me the PCB and spare me the trouble of dealing with analog stuff
2018-07-19T22:13:54 < Thorn> most youtube maker:s are obsessing over tmc2130, not sure why
2018-07-19T22:14:06 < vampi-the-frog> my alternative is to get power supply + 2x30W amplifier + 2xcrossovers and hook those up
2018-07-19T22:14:18 < vampi-the-frog> Thorn: perhaps it's a marketing campaign
2018-07-19T22:14:29 < vampi-the-frog> and they're getting sponsored
2018-07-19T22:15:26 < zyp> Thorn, they don't look all that different, bit lower max current, bit higher max voltage, either are surpassing what most people would need, I guess
2018-07-19T22:19:39 < zyp> a quick google for a comparison between the two suggests that it comes down to what current you need
2018-07-19T22:19:59 < zyp> apparently 2130 has higher Rdson too, so it runs into thermal limits quicker
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2018-07-19T23:47:08 < jadew> Thorn, it's because they're quiet somehow
2018-07-19T23:47:21 < jadew> apparently it makes the printer silent
2018-07-19T23:48:06 < Thorn> looks like they're more expensive than actual motors lol
2018-07-19T23:48:32 < jadew> I think they also have a way of detecting skipped steps, while others don't?
2018-07-19T23:48:47 < jadew> making it then possible for the printer to recover from a layer shift
2018-07-19T23:49:24 < jadew> I like the fact that they make it silent
2018-07-19T23:49:40 < jadew> I print a lot at night and I always wonder if my neighbours are hearing it
2018-07-19T23:50:05 < jadew> it's inside an enclosure, so it shouldn't be as noisy, but I still worry about that
2018-07-19T23:52:30 < capacitor> i'll paint a mental image of this 
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2018-07-19T23:56:02 < capacitor> now i'm thinking of dancing hotdogs wtf
2018-07-19T23:56:14 < karlp> godfuckingdamn I hate getting regional bullshit product numbers from international companies.
2018-07-19T23:56:28 < karlp> why the fuck is this product only available in danish swedisn finnish and norwegian.
2018-07-19T23:56:39 < capacitor> coz zyp
2018-07-19T23:56:46 < karlp> I can get the damn SDS in english, but the actual _instructions_ ? no. of course not.
2018-07-19T23:57:01 < capacitor> they're counting on you using the google 
2018-07-19T23:57:06 < karlp> and because it's a different sku, for "reasons" I cant' find the comparable product from another market
2018-07-19T23:57:10 < karlp> using the google isn't working.
2018-07-19T23:57:20 < capacitor> damnation.
2018-07-19T23:59:16 < zyp> need translation?
2018-07-19T23:59:54 < PaulFertser> jadew: my printer got a _lot_ quieter after I put it on dampers.
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2018-07-20T00:00:20 < zyp> jadew, my friend has a mk3, which uses tmc2130
2018-07-20T00:00:24 < zyp> it's crazy quiet
2018-07-20T00:01:17 < jadew> PaulFertser, where did you get them from?
2018-07-20T00:01:24 < capacitor> what is good 3d printer to buy
2018-07-20T00:01:27 < capacitor> out of the box?
2018-07-20T00:01:32 < zyp> what's your budget?
2018-07-20T00:01:36 < jadew> zyp, yeah, I saw a video about that
2018-07-20T00:01:40 < capacitor> ~$5000aud
2018-07-20T00:01:53 < jadew> so.. like $100 USD?
2018-07-20T00:01:59 < capacitor> [:
2018-07-20T00:02:15 < PaulFertser> jadew: printed in abs: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2103227
2018-07-20T00:02:42 < jadew> PaulFertser, that's interesting
2018-07-20T00:02:50 < jadew> thanks, I'll try them
2018-07-20T00:03:01 < BrainDamage> vibration dampers, we're approaching audiophile territory
2018-07-20T00:03:15 < PaulFertser> jadew: many comments suggest that kind of damping helps with the noise, so that's likely not just my subjective feeling.
2018-07-20T00:04:24 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: I think my table was directly involved in emitting loud sounds so decoupling from it was a legit way to deal with that.
2018-07-20T00:04:51 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: I'm jesting, but audiophiles are obsessed with (ineffective) vibration dampers
2018-07-20T00:05:02 < BrainDamage> like rigid cone support posts
2018-07-20T00:05:25 < PaulFertser> Don't they put all the speakers on special tripods or something like that?
2018-07-20T00:05:31 < BrainDamage> yup
2018-07-20T00:05:38 < BrainDamage> but they don't limit to the speakers
2018-07-20T00:05:40 < BrainDamage> errything
2018-07-20T00:05:41 < BrainDamage> even the amp
2018-07-20T00:05:46 < BrainDamage> as if that would make a difference
2018-07-20T00:05:55 < jadew> cables too
2018-07-20T00:05:57 < PaulFertser> :D
2018-07-20T00:05:57 < BrainDamage> because ~vibrations~
2018-07-20T00:06:36 < jadew> https://gizmodo.com/obsessed-audiophiles-in-japan-are-installing-their-own-1785291714
2018-07-20T00:07:22 < capacitor> that is hilarious
2018-07-20T00:08:00 < capacitor> i guess they heard me tell them their 1 metre of megacable is irrelevant compared to the 50km of non audiophile grade power cable
2018-07-20T00:08:22 < jadew> hah, good point
2018-07-20T00:08:25 < capacitor> the next question is how to make an audiophile grade fukushima
2018-07-20T00:08:47 < capacitor> we need a reactor with good low end and clean highs
2018-07-20T00:09:14 < capacitor> I'll forward this man to the chernobyl school of nuclear physics
2018-07-20T00:10:04 < Cracki> it's impossible to ask google if humans have summer coats like other mammals do...
2018-07-20T00:10:07 < jadew> PaulFertser, I think if I use those my printer won't fit anymore in the enclosure
2018-07-20T00:11:05 < jadew> Cracki, I just shed one layer of skin
2018-07-20T00:11:10 < Cracki> >skin
2018-07-20T00:11:15 < Cracki> are you a mammal or a reptile
2018-07-20T00:11:20 < tct> where´s the blaxter?
2018-07-20T00:11:29 < mitrax> banned
2018-07-20T00:11:38 < mitrax> tct: hi btw
2018-07-20T00:11:38 < Cracki> tautology
2018-07-20T00:11:55 < PaulFertser> jadew: just checked, they added 17mm to the height in my case.
2018-07-20T00:12:04 < jadew> thanks, let me measure
2018-07-20T00:12:10 < Cracki> I keep thinking "H.P. Blaxxter" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.P._Baxxter
2018-07-20T00:12:23 < Steffanx> Heh scooter
2018-07-20T00:12:45 < Steffanx> Is blaxter banned?
2018-07-20T00:12:53 < jadew> PaulFertser, I only have 15
2018-07-20T00:12:56 < Cracki> isblaxterbanned dot com
2018-07-20T00:13:04 < jadew> that's because of the spool holder, I need a new one
2018-07-20T00:13:15 < Cracki> his whole university is banned
2018-07-20T00:13:21 < Cracki> all of kiwiirc is banned
2018-07-20T00:13:27 < Steffanx> It is?
2018-07-20T00:13:29 < PaulFertser> jadew: you can probably just use some thick rubber instead.
2018-07-20T00:13:37 < Cracki> according to the ban list of this channel that I can see
2018-07-20T00:13:45 < Cracki> from 2 july
2018-07-20T00:13:50 < Cracki> blame the english man
2018-07-20T00:13:54 < Steffanx>  I see.
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2018-07-20T00:14:27 < jadew> PaulFertser, I kinda like that design
2018-07-20T00:14:38 < Cracki> the Steffan-X is guilty of banning a hex-encoded IP for a user name from any IP matching *.2.29
2018-07-20T00:14:46 < jadew> also, not sure from where to procure thick rubber
2018-07-20T00:14:46 < karlp> zyp: nah, it's pretty damn short in those languages anyway, it just shits me.
2018-07-20T00:15:00 < BrainDamage> jadew: buy rubber erasers, drive a screw through
2018-07-20T00:15:04 < Steffanx> Lol i dont remember who that was Cracki 
2018-07-20T00:15:21 < jadew> BrainDamage, good idea
2018-07-20T00:15:26 < Cracki> must not have been important then :P
2018-07-20T00:15:31 < PaulFertser> jadew: you can cut old bicycle tube to give the idea a quick try.
2018-07-20T00:16:05 < jadew> PaulFertser, I wanted to use bycicle tube for something else, but it seemed too rigid
2018-07-20T00:16:22 < jadew> maybe it will be good for this application
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2018-07-20T00:31:26 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LOoVpDQl4sjlF_FvnQPZroXLb35kk8Zu/view?usp=sharing check the filename date&time
2018-07-20T00:31:46 < Thorn> PaulFertser: have you ordered anything from syntechlab.ru?
2018-07-20T00:32:00 < capacitor> And all you need is some pva glue and stickyback plastic
2018-07-20T00:32:08 < capacitor> Try it yourself
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2018-07-20T00:33:40 < PaulFertser> Thorn: no, just fdplast (I visited their office in person) and bestfilament. 
2018-07-20T00:34:06 < PaulFertser> But fdplast has no PETG :/
2018-07-20T00:36:06 < Thorn> okic
2018-07-20T00:38:57 < PaulFertser> btw, fdplast's abs is considerably more "springy" than bestfilament's.
2018-07-20T00:41:47 < capacitor> Hmm
2018-07-20T00:42:00 < capacitor> I want to buy one
2018-07-20T00:42:27 < Steffanx> Buy one?
2018-07-20T00:42:30 < Steffanx> 🍕?
2018-07-20T00:43:02 < capacitor> 3D printer
2018-07-20T00:43:10 < Steffanx> Ah
2018-07-20T00:43:31 < capacitor> https://www.redstackshop.com.au/
2018-07-20T00:43:33 < capacitor> Lol
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2018-07-20T00:53:55 < capacitor> Lolwtf at the Airbus whale plane
2018-07-20T00:54:49 < capacitor> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/j5XbCvZx/sup.JPG
2018-07-20T01:05:55 < capacitor> Will they fly over Norway?
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2018-07-20T04:13:19 < jadew> what's the cheapest high quality preheater I can get?
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2018-07-20T04:23:56 < Cracki> >cheapest
2018-07-20T04:23:58 < Cracki> >high quality
2018-07-20T04:26:49 < jadew> the cheapest high quality one, not the cheapest :)
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2018-07-20T10:02:50 < capacitor> clone it
2018-07-20T10:03:36 < capacitor> smash it
2018-07-20T10:06:20 < Haohmaru> leave it
2018-07-20T10:06:41 < Haohmaru> stop, format it
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2018-07-20T10:41:56 < capacitor> Where is stffn
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2018-07-20T10:46:51 < Steffanx> ⚰️
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2018-07-20T11:08:55 < capacitor> Dead
2018-07-20T11:19:17 < Steffanx> Im using AVR. Will i die?
2018-07-20T11:19:35 < Steffanx> Using their touch stuff, must say the data visualiser is pretty handy 
2018-07-20T11:19:58 < Steffanx> And their code generation, although i hate it, actually works
2018-07-20T11:19:58 < capacitor> Don’t think you’ll die
2018-07-20T11:20:22 < capacitor> Senpai might call you a nigger
2018-07-20T11:21:10 < capacitor> After all they all use sea code
2018-07-20T11:31:58 < Steffanx> But its gcc.
2018-07-20T11:32:13 < Steffanx> Avr-gcc
2018-07-20T11:32:27 < capacitor> Free software
2018-07-20T11:32:54 < capacitor> Much preferred by stm32
2018-07-20T11:36:11 < capacitor> Also the zyp book on c++ stm32ing
2018-07-20T11:36:33 < Haohmaru> i'm c++ xmega-ing
2018-07-20T11:36:43 < capacitor> Wtf is xmega
2018-07-20T11:37:19 < Haohmaru> it's like the atmega being redesigned
2018-07-20T11:37:27 < capacitor> Ah ok
2018-07-20T11:37:32 < capacitor> 👌
2018-07-20T11:37:38 < capacitor> 👍
2018-07-20T11:38:13 < Haohmaru> just don't tell senpai
2018-07-20T11:39:14 < Haohmaru> i can't seem to re-enable my USART :~(
2018-07-20T11:40:48 < capacitor> Times like that I pull the rubber duck out of the draw
2018-07-20T11:49:50 < Haohmaru> yeah
2018-07-20T11:52:29 < zyp> sup?
2018-07-20T11:54:15 < Steffanx> They redesigned attiny too. This attiny seems to have new gpio registers
2018-07-20T11:54:51 < capacitor> Welcome back
2018-07-20T11:55:20 < Steffanx> And its < 80c 
2018-07-20T11:56:22 < Steffanx> Dollar
2018-07-20T11:56:28 < capacitor> Very nice
2018-07-20T11:56:41 < capacitor> Less dollar
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2018-07-20T12:02:19 < Haohmaru> Steffanx nah, the new attinys are slightly amputated xmega periphs glued onto some chip that runs on 5V
2018-07-20T12:02:53 < Haohmaru> with xmega PDI "modified" into UPDI
2018-07-20T12:06:24 < Haohmaru> but microchip shuffled things around to make the impression that the new attinys have "eggcelent peripherals from microchip(R)"
2018-07-20T12:09:42 < Steffanx> Ah explains a lot Haohmaru 
2018-07-20T12:09:49 < Steffanx> Updi isnt that bad
2018-07-20T12:10:07 < Haohmaru> who said it's bad?
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2018-07-20T12:10:39 < Haohmaru> what's bad is that they amputated this and that from the periphs
2018-07-20T12:11:03 < Haohmaru> eggzample: IO PORTs only have pull-up resistors
2018-07-20T12:11:32 < PeterM> wheres r2commie when you need him
2018-07-20T12:11:50 < PeterM> im sure he could expand upon this
2018-07-20T12:11:56 < tct> Steffanx, I missed you
2018-07-20T12:12:24 < Haohmaru> tct learn to aim bett0r
2018-07-20T12:12:40 < tct> lol´d
2018-07-20T12:12:54 < tct> Steffanx knows that tct has a good aim ;-)
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2018-07-20T12:22:17 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: do they beat stm8?
2018-07-20T12:24:18 < Thorn> >SEGGER is looking for a Compiler Developer.  Responsibilities include the further enhancement, maintenance, and porting of SEGGER's clang/LLVM-based compiler
2018-07-20T12:24:33 < Thorn> why would they develop a compiler
2018-07-20T12:25:13 < zyp> to go with their IDE, probably?
2018-07-20T12:25:50 < zyp> I mean, it says clang/LLVM, so it sounds more like integration work than making a new compiler
2018-07-20T12:26:33 < Haohmaru> could be like microchip .. "take this gcc and put some nagware in it"
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2018-07-20T12:31:07 < Thorn> do they want to compete with Kill Software?
2018-07-20T12:34:19 < capacitor> a new version of java is ready to be installed
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2018-07-20T12:37:19 < Haohmaru> capacitor are YOU ready for the java?
2018-07-20T12:37:57 < capacitor> well
2018-07-20T12:38:04 < capacitor> windows 10 makes all my decisions for me
2018-07-20T12:38:40 < capacitor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CfiBv-Tm6s
2018-07-20T12:38:42 < Haohmaru> not for you
2018-07-20T12:38:52 < Steffanx> Idk PaulFertser. But afaik st doesnt do the fancy tooling
2018-07-20T12:38:55 < Steffanx> Hello welcome tct
2018-07-20T12:38:56 < Haohmaru> win10 basically owns yer comput0r
2018-07-20T12:39:01 < capacitor> it does
2018-07-20T12:39:28 < capacitor> i have the holy trinity
2018-07-20T12:39:36 < capacitor> winpros 10 keil and altidumb
2018-07-20T12:39:36 < Haohmaru> and occasionally, you *may* get to use it.. a lil bit
2018-07-20T12:39:55 < Haohmaru> if cortana.exe is in the mood
2018-07-20T12:40:45 < Steffanx> And where did you miss me?
2018-07-20T12:41:51 < capacitor> welcome
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2018-07-20T12:48:11 < capacitor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jth6L7g_V5A
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2018-07-20T13:47:06 < c10ud^> PeterM, new pcb, still have the ringing, eww https://imgur.com/a/UUHPR2V 
2018-07-20T13:47:18 < c10ud^> it must be something else than the design
2018-07-20T13:48:53 < capacitor> welcome peter
2018-07-20T13:49:28 < capacitor> kinda reminiscent of a DCM flyback
2018-07-20T13:49:31 < capacitor> what is it
2018-07-20T13:51:25 < capacitor> i like your tds1002 kinda scope
2018-07-20T13:51:28 < sync> c10ud^: what's the ic?
2018-07-20T13:51:53 < c10ud^> TPS5430DDA
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2018-07-20T13:52:36 < Hamilton> What is that alien-looking component on this board? https://imgur.com/a/r7iSkdk
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2018-07-20T13:53:00 < zyp> Hamilton, the heatsink?
2018-07-20T13:53:10 < capacitor> oh wow that thing has it going on
2018-07-20T13:53:29 < Hamilton> zyp, hmm...never saw such heat sinks
2018-07-20T13:53:32 < c10ud^> sync and that's the schematic https://imgur.com/a/SFcWHok
2018-07-20T13:53:36 < capacitor> step down converter makes for happy
2018-07-20T13:54:14 < Hamilton> So that spiky shape actually emits heat better than the usual parallel bar topology?
2018-07-20T13:54:20 < Hamilton> #thermo32
2018-07-20T13:54:40 < capacitor> yeah those rounded fins actually do better 
2018-07-20T13:56:03 < capacitor> the spiky shape i'm not too sure of
2018-07-20T13:57:38 < zyp> c10ud^, why measure AC coupled?
2018-07-20T13:57:43 < zyp> also, what point are you measuring in?
2018-07-20T13:58:03 < c10ud^> zyp, bootstrap cap
2018-07-20T13:58:19 < zyp> wat?
2018-07-20T13:58:41 < c10ud^> ac coupled may be a mistale
2018-07-20T13:58:43 < c10ud^> mistake
2018-07-20T13:58:46 < zyp> yes
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2018-07-20T13:58:50 < Hamilton> capacitor, https://www.google.com/search?q=spiky+heatsinks&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj2z7DXwq3cAhXFI1AKHZd0D5UQ_AUICigB&biw=1366&bih=666
2018-07-20T13:58:56 < c10ud^> I was looking at ringing in output just before
2018-07-20T13:59:17 < capacitor> wait why would you measure the bootstrap cap
2018-07-20T13:59:28 < zyp> I was wondering that too
2018-07-20T14:00:02 < c10ud^> see p 20 https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps5430.pdf
2018-07-20T14:01:17 < capacitor> i see PH node
2018-07-20T14:01:21 < capacitor> which is the switch
2018-07-20T14:02:25 < c10ud^> well pin 1 or 8
2018-07-20T14:02:32 < c10ud^> doesn't change the outcome
2018-07-20T14:02:52 < zyp> how does it look DC coupled?
2018-07-20T14:03:25 < capacitor> something strange is going on there
2018-07-20T14:03:38 < c10ud^> zyp, same just shifter by a few volts
2018-07-20T14:03:41 < c10ud^> shifted*
2018-07-20T14:03:47 < zyp> pic?
2018-07-20T14:03:52 < c10ud^> sure, just a sec
2018-07-20T14:04:12 < capacitor> i must also ask if this circuit functions properly from the outside
2018-07-20T14:04:59 < c10ud^> output is 5V with 50mV ringing, but works
2018-07-20T14:05:11 < c10ud^> does not when I try getting >1A current ofc
2018-07-20T14:05:48 < capacitor> 50mV means nothing unless there is some kind of bandlimit
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2018-07-20T14:07:53 < capacitor> to me at least
2018-07-20T14:09:01 < c10ud^> wait a sec imgur having issues uploading 
2018-07-20T14:09:08 < c10ud^> uhhh
2018-07-20T14:09:17 < capacitor> don't worry I have my pants on
2018-07-20T14:14:34 < c10ud^> ok those are across the cap https://ibb.co/d3j6PJ
2018-07-20T14:14:34 < c10ud^>  https://ibb.co/iOopdd
2018-07-20T14:15:55 < zyp> what cap?
2018-07-20T14:16:07 < c10ud^> 10nf boot
2018-07-20T14:16:15 < zyp> across how?
2018-07-20T14:16:38 < c10ud^> the first pic is on the inductor input
2018-07-20T14:16:50 < c10ud^> the second on boot pin
2018-07-20T14:16:54 < sync> are you probing with a short ground lead?
2018-07-20T14:17:50 < c10ud^> do you think it could be the probe? this oscilloscope is in shitty conditions
2018-07-20T14:18:16 < c10ud^> but yes
2018-07-20T14:18:21 < zyp> okay, so the bootstrap is working, it's also not very interesting to look at
2018-07-20T14:18:43 < c10ud^> oh you mean short as in shorter than default one
2018-07-20T14:18:51 < zyp> how much load do you have on the output now?
2018-07-20T14:19:31 < c10ud^> to answer the first question: I'm using the default probe (around 10cm ground lead)
2018-07-20T14:19:34 < zyp> I suspect it might just be acting unstable because you're running without much load
2018-07-20T14:19:38 < capacitor> man i think i'll get the bong out of the basement
2018-07-20T14:20:33 < c10ud^> then to zyps: just an attiny for now, thing is I was looking at this waveform because I've been having issues with the other regulator I have onboard (which is the same as this one) and suspected that may be a symptom
2018-07-20T14:21:23 < c10ud^> now since I'm running a shitty 2ohm load to test it at 2.5A I'm seeing it's suffering a lot 
2018-07-20T14:21:44 < c10ud^> I was looking at the attiny regulator which is somehow working correctly
2018-07-20T14:22:00 < zyp> got another picture of how PH looks when it's loaded?
2018-07-20T14:22:39 < c10ud^> I disconnected it from the circuit (I was wondering if they were interfering with each other), let me hook it up first
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2018-07-20T14:22:51 < capacitor> nein krankenwagen
2018-07-20T14:23:43 < capacitor> just use a dummy load like some dirty resistor
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2018-07-20T14:24:32 < capacitor> i've got some rusty 10r power resistors
2018-07-20T14:24:41 < capacitor> from dummy loads into a bucket of water
2018-07-20T14:26:17 < capacitor> i think they're still immersed after a year
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2018-07-20T14:27:01 < capacitor> ty
2018-07-20T14:28:39 < zyp> ah, right
2018-07-20T14:28:45 < zyp> https://www.digikey.com/en/articles/techzone/2014/dec/the-difference-between-switching-regulator-continuous-and-discontinuous-modes-and-why-its-important <- look at figure 3
2018-07-20T14:29:38 < zyp> your regulator is entering discontinous mode because the load is too low
2018-07-20T14:30:50 < zyp> I suspected it might be something like that, but I'm not an expert on power electronics, so I didn't know what it was called
2018-07-20T14:30:59 < capacitor> i guess i was kinda right earlier
2018-07-20T14:31:07 < capacitor> DCM
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2018-07-20T14:32:24 < capacitor> A lot of forward mode converters I work on don't have an inductor 
2018-07-20T14:33:18 < capacitor> hence no oscillation when the inductor is "let go" of
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2018-07-20T14:33:42 < c10ud^> mmm
2018-07-20T14:33:57 < c10ud^> I'm uploading the loaded pictures and it looks like you may be right
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2018-07-20T14:36:07 < c10ud^> it's just I got scared from a bzzzz noise some component is creating
2018-07-20T14:36:36 < c10ud^> ok here's the loaded pics https://imgur.com/a/dA7DXRl
2018-07-20T14:36:41 < c10ud^> along with ghetto setup
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2018-07-20T14:39:10 < c10ud^> oh it's the inductor
2018-07-20T14:39:14 < c10ud^> that's making noise
2018-07-20T14:39:40 < zyp> that's normal
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2018-07-20T14:40:17 < c10ud^> well _lots_ of noise, even if my pc cannot get it
2018-07-20T14:41:41 < zyp> you're throwing around a couple amps at high frequency, it'll create magnetic fields making stuff vibrate, creating audible noise
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2018-07-20T14:42:37 < capacitor> yeah i was playing with a 1kW PFC
2018-07-20T14:42:45 < capacitor> she was making a little noise too
2018-07-20T14:43:18 < day> ceramic smd capacitors can be very loud
2018-07-20T14:43:26 < Steffanx> My car light bulbs makes noice too when i pwm it
2018-07-20T14:43:32 < Steffanx> -s
2018-07-20T14:43:41 < Steffanx> At 250Hz
2018-07-20T14:43:48 < c10ud^> alright
2018-07-20T14:43:49 < Steffanx> And low duty cycle < 10
2018-07-20T14:44:10 < Steffanx> Yeah, i knew you wanted to know this c10ud^ 
2018-07-20T14:44:12 < c10ud^> so then it works
2018-07-20T14:44:18 < c10ud^> lol
2018-07-20T14:44:50 < zyp> works fine, but you might want to tune the component values for actual load to keep the regulator out of discontinous mode if possible
2018-07-20T14:45:13 < c10ud^> yeah I am populating stuff as I test it out
2018-07-20T14:48:47 < Laurenceb> Anyone else locked out of their blacked.com account?
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2018-07-20T14:49:41 < capacitor> sup mate
2018-07-20T14:50:05 < capacitor> thanks for coming back dr b
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2018-07-20T15:10:00 < karlp> yeah, totaally awesome contributions again 
2018-07-20T15:10:38 < R0b0t1> Why did I visit that URL
2018-07-20T15:10:43 < R0b0t1> I thought it had to do with programming
2018-07-20T15:10:47 < R0b0t1> My tiny, innocent mind
2018-07-20T15:10:49  * R0b0t1 rocks back and forth
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2018-07-20T15:15:10 < c10ud^> zyp, I think I spoke too soon, this is on the load: https://imgur.com/a/SwQ1aUQ
2018-07-20T15:18:50 < zyp> that's measured where? vout?
2018-07-20T15:18:56 < c10ud^> yep
2018-07-20T15:19:02 < c10ud^> on the 2ohm
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2018-07-20T15:20:02 < c10ud^> i think that may explain the bzzz
2018-07-20T15:20:23 < karlp> c10ud^: are you sure your component values are all actually what you think thye are?
2018-07-20T15:20:35 < zyp> uh, it's kinda hard to read what it says, but that's 1V/div, so it's varying between 0.5 and 7.5V or something?
2018-07-20T15:20:51 < zyp> if so, seems like your output capacitor is fucked up
2018-07-20T15:20:58 < zyp> i.e. way too low or something
2018-07-20T15:22:33 < c10ud^> zyp, varying between 1 and 5 
2018-07-20T15:22:39 < c10ud^> now rebooted and it's fixed to 2v
2018-07-20T15:22:48 < zyp> ah, that makes even more sense
2018-07-20T15:22:54 < c10ud^> I could replace the output tantalum maybe it got fucked
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2018-07-20T15:23:40 < c10ud^> but with no load is fixed to 5v
2018-07-20T15:24:18 < zyp> I'm guessing what's happening is that regulator turns on, starts setting up a field through the inductor, slowly pulling it up to 5V
2018-07-20T15:24:32 < c10ud^> karlp, yep
2018-07-20T15:25:00 < zyp> once regulator sees 5V on feedback, it turns off and the entire field in the inductor is discharged
2018-07-20T15:25:46 < karlp> c10ud^: no, I mean, _really_ sure :) (ala, what zyp was saying)
2018-07-20T15:28:03 < zyp> I guess not having enough output capacitance could also explain why it's entering discontinous mode easily
2018-07-20T15:29:07 < zyp> since that would discharge the inductor faster than otherwise
2018-07-20T15:29:32 < c10ud^> it is weird because they recommend that design for 3A operations
2018-07-20T15:29:39 < c10ud^> but I could try backing the tantalup up
2018-07-20T15:29:46 < c10ud^> with an electrolytic
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2018-07-20T15:32:22 < zyp> have you run the calculations in 8.2.1.2.4.2 in the datasheet?
2018-07-20T15:33:43 < zyp> which output capacitor are you using?
2018-07-20T15:37:36 < bitmask> its christmas! titan aero, bltouch, new heatbed, mean well psu coming today
2018-07-20T15:38:00 < zyp> genuine or clone?
2018-07-20T15:39:14 < c10ud^> zyp, TCJD227M010R0040 	AVX  TCJD227M010R0040  poly tantalum, 220 µF, 10 V, Serie TCJ, ± 20%, D, 0.04 ohm
2018-07-20T15:39:20 < c10ud^> from mouser
2018-07-20T15:39:36 < capacitor> hows about the inductor
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2018-07-20T15:40:32 < c10ud^> capacitor, inductor is SRU1063-220Y
2018-07-20T15:40:37 < PeterM> im guessing your 2 ohm load is too high for a 5v output and what you are seeing in https://imgur.com/a/SwQ1aUQ is your current limit hiccup
2018-07-20T15:40:57 < c10ud^> it should be tuned to 3A though
2018-07-20T15:41:35 < PeterM> if it is starting up into a 2ohm load it will see a lot less that 2 ohms at startup
2018-07-20T15:41:45 < PeterM> because output capacitance etc
2018-07-20T15:42:43 < PeterM> also the inductor used saturated at 3.2A, so 3a output + 10% inductor ripple current puts that inductor into saturation
2018-07-20T15:42:44 < bitmask> zyp: genuine
2018-07-20T15:42:58 < bitmask> I ordered a bunch of nozzles and extras from trianglelab though
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2018-07-20T15:43:49 < PeterM> 10% inductor ripple current is pretty low, usually you expect around 20-30% (if you want good transient response) for the appropriately sized inductor
2018-07-20T15:44:25 < PeterM> the minimum current limit hiccup is 4A switch current which you could be hitting
2018-07-20T15:44:32 < c10ud^> btw now something happened because it's stuck to 2.3V output
2018-07-20T15:46:06 < PeterM> dunno, but there are so many variables, do your math, check your specs
2018-07-20T15:46:17 < c10ud^> yes I was going to try with a lighter load
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2018-07-20T15:47:30 < capacitor> chris hansen has cockblocked this circuit
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2018-07-20T15:54:22 < zyp> bitmask, cool
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2018-07-20T15:55:33 < bitmask> I gotta finish modifying this x carriage for it, probably wont have it up and running til next week because of school
2018-07-20T15:55:57 < zyp> which printer frame is it going on?
2018-07-20T15:55:57 < bitmask> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2445124
2018-07-20T15:56:06 < bitmask> a6 heh
2018-07-20T15:56:12 < bitmask> anet
2018-07-20T15:56:17 < zyp> good luck with that :)
2018-07-20T15:57:26 < bitmask> I want to add a threaded rod across the top and maybe two from the top to the bottom, but other than that I think the frame is fairly stabilized
2018-07-20T15:58:31 < bitmask> its mounted to a tile so its just the z axis that needs help
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2018-07-20T15:59:46 < bitmask> how is yours coming along?
2018-07-20T16:19:11 < PaulFertser> bitmask: your next project: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2786292
2018-07-20T16:19:36 < bitmask> ehh not corexy but alu extrusion would be nice
2018-07-20T16:20:08 < PaulFertser> Why not corexy?
2018-07-20T16:20:27 < bitmask> I dont know that much about it but i thought it was a pain in the ass?
2018-07-20T16:20:29 < bitmask> somehow?
2018-07-20T16:21:09 < PaulFertser> Looks pretty rigid, plus easy to add full enclosure.
2018-07-20T16:21:55 < PaulFertser> Moving the whole bed back and forth with high speed is obviously worse than moving it slowly just along Z-axis it seems.
2018-07-20T16:22:43 < bitmask> yea I guess thats true, Id have to do a lot more research before building a new printer
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2018-07-20T16:32:12 < Thorn> is 20x20 profile rigid enough for that?
2018-07-20T16:33:11 < bitmask> 20x30 i believe is more common for like the am8 frame but for that design square profile makes more sense, not sure what the answer is though
2018-07-20T16:34:28 < fest> nice porn: https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/saltyshamelessgardensnake
2018-07-20T16:35:40 < bitmask> wow thats really cool
2018-07-20T16:38:51 < c10ud^> mmm it looks like the drops are visible in the 12V supply too... wtf
2018-07-20T16:41:25 < c10ud^> zyp, it was the external supply, fuck my life
2018-07-20T16:42:23 < c10ud^> PeterM, ^
2018-07-20T16:42:45 < c10ud^> what the actual fuck, works perfectly
2018-07-20T16:44:00 < jadew> fest, nice, looks like that nail has a probe in it
2018-07-20T16:44:26 < c10ud^> my god
2018-07-20T16:45:50 < Rickta59> I vote for cases https://imgur.com/a/zB3iown
2018-07-20T16:53:43 < zyp> Rickta59, I've printed the same one
2018-07-20T17:02:21 < jadew> in pink?
2018-07-20T17:03:32 < jadew> https://imgur.com/gallery/60mQfYs
2018-07-20T17:05:35 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/FeAVqsD.gifv
2018-07-20T17:07:19 < zyp> no, mine is in red
2018-07-20T17:07:31 < jadew> so not as good
2018-07-20T17:07:41 < zyp> unfortunately not
2018-07-20T17:08:13 < zyp> it also warped off the bed, so the outsides are not flat
2018-07-20T17:08:36 < jadew> that happens when the bed is not heated?
2018-07-20T17:09:03 < zyp> yeah, I didn't have a heated bed on that printer
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2018-07-20T17:15:51 < Rickta59> that stuff is pla so it didn't really warp i tried with abs and it wasn't as happy
2018-07-20T17:16:43 < Rickta59> pink because it was the least expensive filament and I originally bought it for a crappy makerbot cupcake orig
2018-07-20T17:17:49 < zyp> mine was PLA too
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2018-07-20T17:17:58 < zyp> but the printer didn't have a heated bed
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2018-07-20T17:23:29 < Rickta59> https://i.imgur.com/jm3L7a2.jpg I got that abs one to stick with a big skirt
2018-07-20T17:24:49 < tomeaton17> Are smd caps still quite scarce? last time I did a big order (around april) they were.
2018-07-20T17:24:52 < Rickta59> and I slowed down the first layer to a crawl
2018-07-20T17:25:25 < jadew> tomeaton17, unfortunately yes
2018-07-20T17:25:45 < fest> tomeaton17: yes
2018-07-20T17:26:19 < tomeaton17> bloody hoarders :(
2018-07-20T17:26:20 < karlp> zyp: were you looking at the orange pi 0? looking at something like that, for battery powered use.
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2018-07-20T17:27:17 < day> is it possible to get rid of these ugly lines by sanding? or is the pattern throughout the material?
2018-07-20T17:27:39 < jadew> day, in the print?
2018-07-20T17:27:44 < day> yes
2018-07-20T17:27:55 < jadew> ABS can be smoothed with acetone
2018-07-20T17:27:59 < day> was refering to the last imgur link
2018-07-20T17:28:02 < day> i see
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2018-07-20T17:28:41 < jadew> you can post process prints in various ways
2018-07-20T17:29:14 < jadew> I don't mind the lines
2018-07-20T17:29:21 < Rickta59> https://i.imgur.com/jm3L7a2.jpg PETG seemed to work without issues
2018-07-20T17:29:38 < jadew> Rickta59, that's the same image
2018-07-20T17:30:36 < Rickta59> oops https://i.imgur.com/scltXzv.jpg
2018-07-20T17:32:07 < Rickta59> and the bottom https://i.imgur.com/VeTHwPp.jpg
2018-07-20T17:32:54 < Thorn> is this texture on the bottom part of the design or an artifact?
2018-07-20T17:33:33 < jadew> it's from the printing surface
2018-07-20T17:33:49 < zyp> karlp, I have one 0 and one 0+
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2018-07-20T17:33:55 < jpa-> depends on whether you refer to the scratches or to the grid
2018-07-20T17:33:57 < Rickta59> the bottom is smooth like a baby bottom, it just appears to have a pattern, because it is transparent
2018-07-20T17:34:14 < Thorn> the 45° grid
2018-07-20T17:34:29 < jpa-> * shitty like a baby bottom
2018-07-20T17:34:32 < Rickta59> that is how it prints each layer 
2018-07-20T17:37:13 < karlp> nanopi neo air looks nicer for me, but much more expensive
2018-07-20T17:38:26 < karlp> pi zero w maybe too, if I can kill the hdmi txer
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2018-07-20T17:46:12 < karlp> hrm, if I run asterisk somewhere, I can issue my own "phone numbers" right? as long as people's sip client knows where to connect to?
2018-07-20T17:50:43 < Thorn> well yes but you can only call those numbers if you're connected to the same PBX iirc
2018-07-20T17:52:05 < Thorn> or they can use URIs like sip:1234@ypur-pbx.com but you'd have to accept connections from anyone and that is a security risk
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2018-07-20T17:53:16 < karlp> yeah, thinking of a project converting some old desk phones into standalone battery powered voip phones
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2018-07-20T17:53:26 < karlp> don't need to be externally accessible, just to call each other would be fun enough
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2018-07-20T17:54:41 < Thorn> is this just a surface https://www.aliexpress.com/item/ANYCUBIC-Ultrabase-3D-Printer-Platform-Heated-Bed-Build-Surface-Glass-plate-310x310x4mm-for-MK2-MK3-Hot/32843178556.html
2018-07-20T17:55:42 < Thorn> i.e. no heater
2018-07-20T17:57:25 < bitmask> yea but they do make one with a heater, it may only be for 220mm beds though im not sure
2018-07-20T17:58:24 < bitmask> I was considering the ultrabase as well but a lot of people say the coating comes off fairly easily
2018-07-20T17:59:30 < bitmask> come on mail!
2018-07-20T18:01:40 < bitmask> ugh I dont want to take this midterm today
2018-07-20T18:02:17 < bitmask> I'm going to cheat on my ethics exam for irony's sake
2018-07-20T18:02:46 < karlp> Thorn: how does any sip calling work if you _don't_ accept connections from anyone?
2018-07-20T18:06:09 < karlp> nvm, I'll just read wikipedi
2018-07-20T18:09:09 < kakimir> can I stringify variable names?
2018-07-20T18:09:35 < kakimir> let's say I want to print shiet like 200 different variables
2018-07-20T18:09:43 < kakimir> per pass of mainloop
2018-07-20T18:10:32 < kakimir> then I just print_this_shiet_ui32(variable); and it prints "variable: 123123"
2018-07-20T18:11:08 < tpw_rules> sure
2018-07-20T18:11:33 < tpw_rules> #define PTSui32(the_variable) printf(the_variable ## ": %u", the_variable);
2018-07-20T18:12:17 < kakimir> oh
2018-07-20T18:12:25 < kakimir> ## works for variables
2018-07-20T18:12:43 < tpw_rules> well i think that would work
2018-07-20T18:13:00 < tpw_rules> actually you might want #the_variable instead
2018-07-20T18:13:17 < Steffanx> -might
2018-07-20T18:15:28 < kakimir> yes
2018-07-20T18:16:02 < kakimir> so C understands "string1" "string2" as "string1string2"
2018-07-20T18:16:22 < kakimir> that might be useful
2018-07-20T18:20:58 < kakimir> interesting note: from side of the eye fast green flashes of led look like red
2018-07-20T18:21:44 < kakimir> I always see it as red and then quickly check that is it actually a fault code
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2018-07-20T18:21:59 < kakimir> it was green blinks all the time
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2018-07-20T18:24:14 < bitmask> santa has arrived
2018-07-20T18:24:20 < tomeaton17> its not christmas
2018-07-20T18:25:08 < tpw_rules> maybe it's a red-green with shitty pwm
2018-07-20T18:30:35 < kakimir> no
2018-07-20T18:30:57 < kakimir> it's green green off green green off
2018-07-20T18:31:09 < kakimir> and no pwm
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2018-07-20T18:33:09 < Steffanx> i dont remember my brains ever doign that kakimir
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2018-07-20T18:33:49 < Steffanx> So are the germans good to you tpw_rules?
2018-07-20T18:35:00 < tpw_rules> none of them have had gay sex with me
2018-07-20T18:35:05 < tpw_rules> so i'm leaving
2018-07-20T18:35:33 < Steffanx> ok, good bye. :P
2018-07-20T18:35:52 < tpw_rules> will you?
2018-07-20T18:35:56 < Steffanx> no ty.
2018-07-20T18:37:15 < kakimir> ##leatherpants32
2018-07-20T18:38:07 < Steffanx> You can always visit one of those scary men in the woods tpw_rules
2018-07-20T18:38:58 < tpw_rules> i was hoping for more of a german sex dungeon
2018-07-20T18:46:18 < kakimir> what do you think about driving hundreds of nanofarads with mcu pin directly?
2018-07-20T18:46:39 < tpw_rules> only if that pin is also connected to some part of my boyd
2018-07-20T18:47:12 < tpw_rules> body
2018-07-20T18:47:13 < kakimir> planning to precharge low pass filter from mcu side
2018-07-20T18:48:21 < vampi-the-frog> huh it turns out those OTAs are more common than I thought, I can just get them at a local parts shop
2018-07-20T18:52:36 < kakimir> can I color code areas of code?
2018-07-20T18:52:41 < kakimir> bg color
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2018-07-20T18:58:55 < tpw_rules> do you want bluj
2018-07-20T18:58:56 < tpw_rules> bluej
2018-07-20T19:04:24 < kakimir> blunt
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2018-07-20T19:49:55 < invzim> dafuk
2018-07-20T19:50:21 < invzim> my HAL_Delay is terribly inaccurate
2018-07-20T19:50:30 < invzim> 10ms=11ms on scope
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2018-07-20T19:51:02 < invzim> 1ms=ms
2018-07-20T19:51:04 < invzim> 2ms
2018-07-20T19:51:54 < kakimir> sleep based?
2018-07-20T19:52:09 < kakimir> doesn't count in overhead
2018-07-20T19:52:13 < kakimir> try 100ms
2018-07-20T19:52:14 < invzim> 50ms=51ms
2018-07-20T19:52:18 < kakimir> yes
2018-07-20T19:52:34 < invzim> anyho - pretty useless for any kind of accurate smallish delay
2018-07-20T19:54:30 < invzim> found a nice dwt delay on the st forum that is spot on, which I will steal
2018-07-20T19:55:38 < invzim> https://community.st.com/thread/13838#comment-151160
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2018-07-20T20:12:44 < Thorn> is this extruder ok https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3D-printer-extruder-Extruder-for-desktop-FDM-3D-printer-reprap-MK8-J-head-bowden-free-shipping/32757902679.html
2018-07-20T20:18:46 < Thorn> apparently it is https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/7qax2j/any_one_have_experience_with_a_e3d_titan_clone/
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2018-07-20T23:12:44 < Steffanx> lolwut mr superbia?
2018-07-20T23:13:39 < Steffanx> met tpw_rules?
2018-07-20T23:13:52 < tpw_rules> i am strictly a bottom
2018-07-20T23:14:31 < Steffanx> heh, somewhere not in romania it is soon?
2018-07-20T23:17:48 < Steffanx> You know that wont mean you cannot get fucked in the ass uh?
2018-07-20T23:22:17 < kakimir> superbia: what is fail about it?
2018-07-20T23:23:00 < Steffanx> Fall, not fail kakimir 
2018-07-20T23:23:06 < Steffanx> I read fail too at first
2018-07-20T23:23:19 < day> kek
2018-07-20T23:23:29 < Steffanx> I love you too superbia 
2018-07-20T23:23:35 < Steffanx> How is ranewen?
2018-07-20T23:24:29 < kakimir> moolah
2018-07-20T23:25:55 < kakimir> i did shit in toilet
2018-07-20T23:26:07 < kakimir> I didn't order it from internets
2018-07-20T23:29:39 < kakimir> !wz oulu
2018-07-20T23:29:40 < englishbot> [Oulu, Finland] Clear. Temp is 23°C. Variable wind: 4 kph. Humidity: 65%.
2018-07-20T23:29:56 < kakimir> why I'm sweating still
2018-07-20T23:42:07 < zyp> superbia, what'cha ordering?
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2018-07-20T23:43:55 < kakimir> superbia: true
2018-07-20T23:44:06 < zyp> superbia, sure, I'm planning to put in an order there myself soon
2018-07-20T23:44:13 < zyp> just curious :)
2018-07-20T23:45:07 < zyp> I'm in .no
2018-07-20T23:45:33 < zyp> anyway, I'm just curious about what you're working on
2018-07-20T23:58:01 < Steffanx> Why so hostile today superbia 
2018-07-20T23:59:45 < kakimir> it's okay
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2018-07-21T00:01:39 < Steffanx> Oh butt hurt ofcourse :p
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2018-07-21T00:13:37 < zyp> maybe it's super sekrit
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2018-07-21T00:27:53 < vampi-the-frog> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382082430171086849/469480250011549697/unknown.png
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2018-07-21T00:53:40 < bitmask> midterms are done
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2018-07-21T00:59:01 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/GGGFdG0.gifv
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2018-07-21T01:11:10 < zyp> midterm? how does the terms work there?
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2018-07-21T01:18:32 < Thorn> so the first thing I ordered for my 3d printer project is filament lol
2018-07-21T01:19:39 < bitmask> some schools are 12 some are 16 week semesters, you usually have big exams halfway through and at the end
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2018-07-21T01:36:11 < Thorn> are nema 17 motors enough for a ~small 3d printer
2018-07-21T01:40:54 < jadew> Thorn, did you decide on a frame?
2018-07-21T01:42:25 < Thorn> I'm planning to go profile shopping in local hardware stores and make a frame out of whatever profile I can find lol
2018-07-21T01:43:25 < jadew> I guess I should do the same - I was hoping to find something that I can just mount motors on get going
2018-07-21T01:43:34 < jadew> not too keen on doing manual labor
2018-07-21T01:44:37 < Thorn> I've worked with alu drywall profiles a little before and still have the tool
2018-07-21T01:44:56 < Thorn> *tools
2018-07-21T01:49:13 < bitmask> nema 17 motors are what most printers use
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2018-07-21T01:58:44 < capacitor> Good morning
2018-07-21T01:59:01 < bitmask> good evening
2018-07-21T01:59:22 < zyp> I got a bunch of 2020 extrusion to build a frame, turns out I don't got enough motivation to build a frame :p
2018-07-21T02:00:07 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/8rapq.jpg <- I started some stuff last year, but that's the furthest I got
2018-07-21T02:02:03 < Thorn> lol found 20x20mm square steel pipe, 1.5mm thick
2018-07-21T02:02:38 < capacitor> Nice one zyp
2018-07-21T02:02:56 < Thorn> just carbon steel
2018-07-21T02:03:06 < Thorn> $1/m
2018-07-21T02:03:13 < zyp> I think I bought all the parts I'd need to build some corexy apart from printed parts
2018-07-21T02:03:25 < zyp> but then I never got around to design the printed parts
2018-07-21T02:04:16 < zyp> and after I saw the frame for the e3d toolchanger, I lost interest in trying to design my own
2018-07-21T02:05:34 < Thorn> 0.85kg/m
2018-07-21T02:07:01 < zyp> on the other hand, after all the talk about delta kinematics the other night, I got tempted to get a delta so I can add support for that to my firmware
2018-07-21T02:13:01 < Thorn> zyp: how did you join the profiles?
2018-07-21T02:13:25 < zyp> corner brackets
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2018-07-21T03:08:38 < antto> dngrdman
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2018-07-21T03:29:05 < capacitor> Go and feed the pussies
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2018-07-21T03:55:32 < Laurenceb> muh gui
2018-07-21T03:55:42 < Laurenceb> its almost finished
2018-07-21T04:04:06 < bitmask> grr a corner of this print lifted, guess I'll have to restart it tomorrow
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2018-07-21T04:29:02 < Thorn> bitmask: how much filament do you use per month on average?
2018-07-21T04:29:53 < bitmask> at most a 1kg
2018-07-21T04:30:17 < bitmask> ive only gone through 4-5 kg total
2018-07-21T04:30:54 < Thorn> I ordered 3kg PLA and 2kg PETG
2018-07-21T04:31:27 < Thorn> but since I'm planning to do my controller from scratch I guess I can expect to waste a lot of it for debugging
2018-07-21T04:31:47 < bitmask> controller?
2018-07-21T04:31:49 < bitmask> whatcha makin
2018-07-21T04:32:10 < bitmask> 3 pla and 2 petg is what ive gone through too
2018-07-21T04:32:27 < bitmask> the petg is for printer and enclosure parts, pla for the pen plotter
2018-07-21T04:32:36 < bitmask> with the occasional pla print for fun
2018-07-21T04:36:55 < Thorn> I want to design a standalone controller that doesn't need either a PC or a rpi
2018-07-21T04:37:15 < Thorn> probably multiple boards as suggested by zyp
2018-07-21T04:37:26 < bitmask> oh you mean for the printer itself
2018-07-21T04:37:32 < bitmask> I see
2018-07-21T04:37:32 < Thorn> yes
2018-07-21T04:38:31 < bitmask> im puttin my titan aero together right now, its pretty nice
2018-07-21T04:39:47 < Thorn> I just ordered a trianglelab clone of the titan extruder
2018-07-21T04:40:56 < bitmask> I was thinking of the tlab one too but figured id go with the genuine, I ordered a bunch of spares from trianglelab though, nozzles, heat blocks, thermistors
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2018-07-21T06:10:40 < aandrew> so who wants to see what I've been working on: https://vimeo.com/281030799
2018-07-21T06:12:20 < Cracki> big-eyed chee says yes https://twitter.com/HourlyCheetahs/status/1020458459068882945
2018-07-21T06:12:49 < Cracki> I see lights that appear urgent
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2018-07-21T06:21:53 < capacitor> cats
2018-07-21T06:24:44 < capacitor> diode pump
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2018-07-21T06:40:30 < Thorn> aandrew: did it involve a software PLL?
2018-07-21T06:40:41 < aandrew> Thorn: not really
2018-07-21T06:41:35 < aandrew> Thorn: master sends its clock value, slave captures the time it arrived and resets its own counter based on the difference
2018-07-21T06:41:51 < aandrew> 62.5ns clock period, and I'm getting sync within +/- 1 clock cycle which is amaze
2018-07-21T06:43:26 < Thorn> I've been thinking about synchronizing my rs-485 network in a similar way
2018-07-21T06:44:03 < aandrew> you can get decent sync even if you can't capture the time in hardware, just more jitter
2018-07-21T06:44:03 < Thorn> so that all the ws2812 etc. are in phase
2018-07-21T06:44:19 < aandrew> but if you want to use software pll you can probably pull that jitter down
2018-07-21T06:46:27 < Thorn> or even to have slaves send something (such as "I have data to send" indication) without being prompted by the master in their assigned timeslots
2018-07-21T06:52:46 < capacitor> the plutonium bucket
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2018-07-21T06:53:48 < aandrew> Thorn: careful, you're gonna recreate CAN
2018-07-21T06:57:47 < Thorn> I already recreated canopen (but much simpler) for my application layer lol
2018-07-21T06:59:27 < aandrew> hah
2018-07-21T07:03:12 < Thorn> or maybe 1/3 * (usb + canopen + ble gatt)
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2018-07-21T13:17:46 < capacitor> do u liii wock an woll
2018-07-21T13:18:28 < capacitor> woh and wol?
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2018-07-21T13:31:23 < antto> capaciteur
2018-07-21T13:31:51 < antto> y u talk japanengwish?
2018-07-21T13:32:39 < Steffanx> welcome antto
2018-07-21T13:32:47 < antto> pls
2018-07-21T13:32:55 < antto> i haven't left
2018-07-21T13:33:17 < Steffanx> Does that make you less welcome?
2018-07-21T13:33:25 < antto> yeah, certainly
2018-07-21T13:35:20 < cpctr> welcome
2018-07-21T13:35:36 < cpctr> i think senpai talks japan
2018-07-21T13:37:57 < Sadale> nani? watashi cannot speak Japanese desu.
2018-07-21T13:39:36 < cpctr> watashi me dick
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2018-07-21T14:20:04 < cpctr> the flying dutchman
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2018-07-21T15:07:25 < zyp> sup?
2018-07-21T15:08:50 < Steffanx> What do you want to be up?
2018-07-21T15:09:11 < zyp> fun stuff that you can tell me about
2018-07-21T15:10:30 < Steffanx> Next week its going to be +30C here, fun uh?
2018-07-21T15:10:39 < zyp> same shit as here
2018-07-21T15:10:52 < zyp> todays a bit colder than recently
2018-07-21T15:10:56 < zyp> !wz grimstad
2018-07-21T15:11:00 < englishbot> [Grimstad, Norway] Clear. Temp is 23°C. WSW wind: 26 kph.
2018-07-21T15:11:11 < srk> !wz brno
2018-07-21T15:11:12 < englishbot> [Brno, Czech Republic] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 30°C. SE wind: 15 kph.
2018-07-21T15:11:18 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-07-21T15:11:19 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 29.2°C.
2018-07-21T15:11:26  * srk hesitant to boot desktop
2018-07-21T15:11:41 < Steffanx> Your desktop cannot take such temperatures?
2018-07-21T15:11:46 < veverak> gg
2018-07-21T15:12:10 < srk> Steffanx: sure it does but it will make the room even warmer :)
2018-07-21T15:12:38 < srk> AMD based heater
2018-07-21T15:12:43 < Steffanx> that "few" watt extra shouldtn matter.
2018-07-21T15:12:45 < Steffanx> oh AMD.
2018-07-21T15:13:12 < srk> fortunately I've replaced 660GTX with passively cooled 1030GT 
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2018-07-21T15:15:12 < Steffanx> My 1060 is active, but fans dont run.
2018-07-21T15:17:30 < srk> http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-660-vs-Nvidia-GT-1030/2162vsm283726
2018-07-21T15:17:37 < srk> pretty much
2018-07-21T15:18:13 < srk> I have 1070GT as well but I don't even have games that would load it properly :D
2018-07-21T15:18:31 < cpctr> yah i still have a 670
2018-07-21T15:18:40 < cpctr> and i play IRC on that machine
2018-07-21T15:18:51 < zyp> same
2018-07-21T15:19:12 < cpctr> my altium box is using coffee lake integrated gfx
2018-07-21T15:19:43 < cpctr> i believe my work pc has a 960 
2018-07-21T15:19:52 < srk> passively cooled 1030 is a nice replacement if you don't like noise :)
2018-07-21T15:20:01 < cpctr> and a shitty xeon
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2018-07-21T15:22:48 < bitmask> do you need a mask when handling ferric chloride?
2018-07-21T15:24:52 < zyp> why?
2018-07-21T15:25:00 < bitmask> why what
2018-07-21T15:25:09 < zyp> why would you need it?
2018-07-21T15:25:15 < bitmask> does it have toxic fumes?
2018-07-21T15:25:16 < Steffanx> no..
2018-07-21T15:25:19 < zyp> no
2018-07-21T15:25:21 < Steffanx> i mean you dont need a mask.
2018-07-21T15:25:24 < bitmask> ok 
2018-07-21T15:25:26 < Steffanx> just do it outside.
2018-07-21T15:25:34 < zyp> you'll probably want to wear gloves, it stains
2018-07-21T15:25:36 < Steffanx> especially since its CRAP.
2018-07-21T15:25:38 < zyp> ugly rust stains
2018-07-21T15:25:41 < bitmask> crap?
2018-07-21T15:25:48 < zyp> yeah, that too
2018-07-21T15:25:52 < zyp> there's better etchants
2018-07-21T15:25:55 < Steffanx> Yes, it awfully messy. 
2018-07-21T15:25:58 < bitmask> yea gloves and maybe some eyewear are on the list, just wasnt sure about fumes
2018-07-21T15:26:37 < Steffanx> gonna do pcbs?
2018-07-21T15:26:38 < bitmask> and any plastic is ok to use for a container/funnel right?
2018-07-21T15:26:46 < bitmask> yup, always wanted to try it
2018-07-21T15:26:54 < Steffanx> you'll be disappointed.
2018-07-21T15:26:58 < bitmask> its ok
2018-07-21T15:27:01 < Steffanx> Shit load of work
2018-07-21T15:27:03 < bitmask> I dont think I will be
2018-07-21T15:27:08 < bitmask> I like this kind of thing
2018-07-21T15:27:17 < Steffanx> it takes time to get it done right
2018-07-21T15:27:24 < zyp> if you're not already set on an etchant, I'd recommend hydrochloric acid instead
2018-07-21T15:27:32 < Steffanx> and you wont beat $2 china pcbs :P
2018-07-21T15:27:36 < bitmask> ferric chloride is arriving today
2018-07-21T15:27:46 < bitmask> its not about price
2018-07-21T15:28:48 < zyp> my experience is that ferric chloride is slow as fuck
2018-07-21T15:28:52 < bitmask> if I have something detailed I'll get some presensitized pcbs but I'm just gonna try with a marker for basic circuits
2018-07-21T15:29:02 < bitmask> I don't mind if its slow
2018-07-21T15:29:18 < bitmask> I'm not mass producing anything
2018-07-21T15:29:56 < Steffanx> i liked Sodium Persulfate in some self-made heated+bubbles tank.
2018-07-21T15:30:30 < bitmask> I saw that too but without a heater/bubbler i heard it wasn't nearly as good as ferric
2018-07-21T15:30:33 < Steffanx> but i gave up in it the day i spilled all the shit.
2018-07-21T15:30:47 < Steffanx> was happy i didnt use that yellow crap
2018-07-21T15:31:01 < zyp> I had a prof at uni that recommended a mix of HCl, H2O2 and water, so I used that for the last boards I etched myself
2018-07-21T15:31:32 < zyp> mixed strong enough, it does a board in like half a minute
2018-07-21T15:31:49 < Steffanx> i like that sodium persulfate is kinda clear, so you can see the progress without taking it out.
2018-07-21T15:31:56 < bitmask> I found 14x double sided 15cmx10cm boards for $25 on ebay, not the best price but its local
2018-07-21T15:31:59 < zyp> yeah, same with HCL
2018-07-21T15:32:21 < zyp> with ferric chloride you have to keep pulling the board out every few minutes to look
2018-07-21T15:32:41 < Steffanx> i hope you'll enjoy it bitmask :P
2018-07-21T15:32:52 < zyp> with HCl, you throw the board in and just stare at it until it's ready
2018-07-21T15:33:04 < bitmask> we have different views on etching, you guys seem to do it hoping for utility, I am doing it because I think it will be fun
2018-07-21T15:33:09 < cpctr> hmmm
2018-07-21T15:33:12 < Steffanx> "fun"  :P
2018-07-21T15:33:16 < bitmask> interesting at least
2018-07-21T15:33:33 < zyp> bitmask, no, if we're talking utility I'd just advise against it :p
2018-07-21T15:33:47 < bitmask> you guys are boring :)
2018-07-21T15:34:09 < zyp> the only utility of home etching is short turn around time, so you can do it for quick protos
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2018-07-21T15:34:21 < bitmask> I gotta get this new x carriage printed out so I can put on this titan aero
2018-07-21T15:34:27 < zyp> e.g. if you want to tune an antenna layout befire ordering properyl done pcbs
2018-07-21T15:34:33 < zyp> (I've done that)
2018-07-21T15:35:05 < zyp> but when you're etching pcbs for fun, it's fun to watch stuff actually happen
2018-07-21T15:35:19 < zyp> with HCl, stuff happens so fast that you can see the copper dissolving in realtime
2018-07-21T15:35:22 < zyp> that is fun.
2018-07-21T15:35:26 < bitmask> plus I want to use my plotter :)
2018-07-21T15:35:41 < Steffanx> If etching was fun to watch someone would have set up a live stream :P
2018-07-21T15:35:47 < zyp> haha
2018-07-21T15:35:54 < zyp> with HCl, that'd be a short stream :p
2018-07-21T15:36:33 < Steffanx> You still have to set up that plotter that huge so people can draw on your wall bitmask.
2018-07-21T15:36:40 < zyp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOwPPoiRBe4
2018-07-21T15:36:47 < Steffanx> i bet people want to spend a dollar or so to draw for a minute :P
2018-07-21T15:37:14 < Steffanx> *you still have to setup that huge plotter, so people can draw on your wall bitmask
2018-07-21T15:38:05 < bitmask> :)
2018-07-21T15:39:29 < srk> Steffanx: that's actually one of my projects :D
2018-07-21T15:39:37 < Steffanx> lol for real srk?
2018-07-21T15:39:43 < srk> got a roll of paper already for my wallplotter
2018-07-21T15:40:03 < zyp> also, the fun thing about etching with HCl is that you can mix it with the NaOH you used to develop the photoresist after you're done using it, and it reduces to salt water
2018-07-21T15:40:15 < zyp> (with some dissolved cu, but eh)
2018-07-21T15:40:26 < srk> Steffanx: http://48.io/~rmarko/random/wall_plotter.jpg
2018-07-21T15:40:38 < Steffanx> heh srk
2018-07-21T15:41:44 < Steffanx> such vintage clock.
2018-07-21T15:42:02 < srk> :D
2018-07-21T15:42:08 < bitmask> I'm hacking into your wifi
2018-07-21T15:42:27 < srk> yeah, it's redacted anyway
2018-07-21T15:42:37 < srk> nbusr123 is a popular joke around
2018-07-21T15:42:45 < cpctr> 666
2018-07-21T15:42:51 < bitmask> I get to organize today! got a 60 drawer thing coming
2018-07-21T15:43:08 < srk> as NBU stands for narodny bezpecnostny urad (national security bureau) :)
2018-07-21T15:43:08 < bitmask> https://www.amazon.com/Akro-Mils-10164-Plastic-Storage-Hardware/dp/B000LDH3JC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1532176978&sr=8-4&keywords=60+drawer
2018-07-21T15:43:33 < cpctr> fill it with capacitors
2018-07-21T15:44:31 < bitmask> I got a bunch of magnet wire, gonna make a levitator
2018-07-21T15:45:36 < Steffanx> googled nbusr123, only .sk seems to know about it
2018-07-21T15:45:45 < srk> yup
2018-07-21T15:45:53 < srk> they've used it as a password
2018-07-21T15:46:02 < srk> famous hack exposed that one :)
2018-07-21T15:47:26 < srk> https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2383890,00.asp
2018-07-21T15:54:52 < cpctr> there's nothing like a little opium cigar to cool the nerves
2018-07-21T16:06:17 < Laurenceb> muh gui
2018-07-21T16:07:29 < Sadale> my password is ******* everywhere. It isn't listed on the site. So I guess I'm safe :3
2018-07-21T16:07:42 < bitmask> Laurenceb pics
2018-07-21T16:12:46 < cpctr> plutonium
2018-07-21T16:13:01 < srk> Sadale: looks like IRC automatically replaced your password with *
2018-07-21T16:13:08 < srk> what a cool feature
2018-07-21T16:14:15 < Sadale> srk, right. IRC is so sophisticated. :)
2018-07-21T16:14:21 < bitmask> hmm does lowes or home depot have a better selection of metric fasteners
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2018-07-21T16:39:21 < Steffanx> You are the only yankee around to know that bitmask
2018-07-21T16:53:11 < bitmask> what diamond drill bits are best for tile, the regular spiral shaped or the style for drilling holes
2018-07-21T16:56:15 < bitmask> ehh I ordered both
2018-07-21T17:19:10 < Laurenceb> heh my mums bf (inb4 cuck) is a tiler
2018-07-21T17:19:22 < Laurenceb> protip: drilling tiles is a missive pita
2018-07-21T17:20:09 < Laurenceb> bitmask: prob the special tile drilling bits
2018-07-21T17:20:39 < Laurenceb> but even then he often has to use a waterjet cutter to do that sort of cutting
2018-07-21T17:20:40 < bitmask> yea ive done it before it sucks, I used the carbide tipped ones but wanted to try the diamond
2018-07-21T17:20:53 < bitmask> I went through 4 bits drilling like 20 holes to mount my printer frame
2018-07-21T17:21:07 < Laurenceb> depends on the tile, ones with complex tempering can break
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2018-07-21T17:21:42 < Laurenceb> he had some huge glass based tiles on a recent job (basically structural glass)
2018-07-21T17:22:17 < Laurenceb> that was done using waterjet as itd shatter with anything else
2018-07-21T17:23:03 < Laurenceb> but for most simple jobs with small tiles a few attempts to get a rather nasty looking hole, or just cut the tile in half works
2018-07-21T17:23:25 < bitmask> I dont think this tile will shatter, I put it through hell drilling with the carbide
2018-07-21T17:24:07 < Laurenceb> depends what your doing - cheapskate bathroom or high end corporate reception area :P
2018-07-21T17:24:39 < bitmask> its just mounting my printer, I just want to add a couple holes
2018-07-21T17:24:50 < Laurenceb> ah printer parts
2018-07-21T17:24:59 < Laurenceb> yeah you prob need fairly good results for that
2018-07-21T17:25:45 < Thorn> is every 3d printer firmware using a motion planner lifted from grbl?
2018-07-21T17:25:57 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/TMvfoiI.png
2018-07-21T17:26:06 < bitmask> thats now its mounted
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2018-07-21T17:39:56 < Cracki> this is what they call a "planner"? https://github.com/gnea/grbl/blob/master/grbl/planner.c
2018-07-21T17:41:16 < Cracki> it seems to limit corner speeds based on angle, the rest follows?
2018-07-21T17:42:48 < Cracki> nice code
2018-07-21T17:42:53 < Thorn> here's an article from one of the authors presumably http://bengler.no/grbl
2018-07-21T17:44:50 < Steffanx> You mean, nice comments Cracki :P
2018-07-21T17:44:53 < Cracki> wait 2 kb?
2018-07-21T17:44:54 < Steffanx> more comments than code.
2018-07-21T17:45:03 < Cracki> the code looks good too
2018-07-21T17:45:28 < Cracki> that's a typo or a lie
2018-07-21T17:45:40 < Cracki> all that doesn't fit in 2 kb
2018-07-21T17:48:51 < Cracki> ah, ram
2018-07-21T17:49:39 < Steffanx> lol, i thought that was clear enough
2018-07-21T17:50:17 < Steffanx> but 2kilobit.. 256bytes. Still not much.
2018-07-21T17:51:41 < Thorn> this is the Marlin planner https://github.com/MarlinFirmware/Marlin/blob/1.1.x/Marlin/planner.cpp
2018-07-21T17:52:15 < Steffanx> The code you pasted seems to use a lot more than that Cracki.
2018-07-21T17:52:29 < Cracki> bytes
2018-07-21T17:52:55 < Cracki> people on AVRs talk about fitting code in limited flash
2018-07-21T17:53:34 < Steffanx> 2kb is bit imho. Fuck people and not being clear.
2018-07-21T17:53:50 < Thorn> > It took us almost a year of tinkering and toying around in C and Mathematica to get it right. 
2018-07-21T17:53:53 < Thorn> wat
2018-07-21T17:54:06 < Thorn> is it really such a complex problem
2018-07-21T17:54:19 < Steffanx> that must be tarduino people Cracki :D
2018-07-21T17:54:51 < Cracki> you can make it a complex problem if you want to get it right
2018-07-21T17:55:02 < Cracki> constant acceleration requires square roots
2018-07-21T17:55:18 < Cracki> so they probably implemented that as constant tables in flash
2018-07-21T17:56:42 < Cracki> afaik an 328p only has one 16 bit timer (and two 8 bit timers)... can't imagine how they generate three independent pulse streams with that
2018-07-21T17:57:13 < Cracki> the dynamic range of 8 bits of pulse interval is a bit limiting...
2018-07-21T17:57:23 < Sadale> why do they have to use Arduino tho :/
2018-07-21T17:57:33 < Cracki> it's the visual basic of hardware
2018-07-21T17:57:52 < Thorn> marlin is using floating point btw (despite running on avr)
2018-07-21T17:57:55 < Cracki> you can be a snob and program for stm32 ;) but then you get no fame
2018-07-21T17:58:17 < Sadale> lol. I've also thought about that. That could be a marketing thing
2018-07-21T17:58:18 < Cracki> floats aren't that bad. you have to spend hundreds of cycles per operation, but for light work, it's good enough
2018-07-21T17:58:27 < Thorn> if you need floating point you can use something with a m4f cpu
2018-07-21T17:58:53 < Cracki> sensible motion control uses several representations
2018-07-21T17:59:18 < Cracki> floats for the few high level calculations, fixed point and integers for the actual pulse generation
2018-07-21T18:00:09 < Cracki> there were AVRs without a 2-cycle 8x8 mu instruction... back then, floating point cost thousands of cycles
2018-07-21T18:00:15 < Cracki> *mul
2018-07-21T18:04:28 < Laurenceb> TIR that I'm literally my dads wifes boyfriends son
2018-07-21T18:04:35 < Laurenceb> the memes are real
2018-07-21T18:05:50 < Cracki> that's probably the simple case
2018-07-21T18:06:41 < Laurenceb> Cracki: wut
2018-07-21T18:06:50 < Laurenceb> floating point on avr was actually fairly good
2018-07-21T18:07:01 < Laurenceb>  ~100 cycles iirk
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2018-07-21T18:07:30 < Thorn> how many cycles for a float sqrt on a cortex-m4f?
2018-07-21T18:08:18 < catphish> i have 15 in my head, but i'll check
2018-07-21T18:08:21 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/69059b7ef8/125432.jpg
2018-07-21T18:08:54 < Cracki> lel
2018-07-21T18:09:05 < Cracki> is that fake?
2018-07-21T18:09:19 < catphish> i'm'a say yes
2018-07-21T18:09:51 < kakimir> can you see it from pixels
2018-07-21T18:09:54 < Cracki> two possible source tweets: https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aelonmusk%20%40adamchavez&src=typd
2018-07-21T18:10:50 < Sadale> lol
2018-07-21T18:10:55 < Cracki> > suggested I engage in a sexual act with the mini-sub https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1019471467304513537
2018-07-21T18:11:06 < Cracki> elon has nothing to apologize for
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2018-07-21T18:11:55 < Laurenceb> ikr
2018-07-21T18:12:05 < Laurenceb> asshole versus asshole the twitterstorm
2018-07-21T18:12:24 < catphish> Thorn: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0439b/BEHJADED.html
2018-07-21T18:12:35 < catphish> Thorn: the answer is 14
2018-07-21T18:12:46 < Cracki> s/J/E/
2018-07-21T18:13:47 < catphish> Thorn: assuming you remember to tell your compiler to use the FPU :) otherwide it takes approximate 6 hundred billion cycles
2018-07-21T18:14:00 < Thorn> cool thanks, most importantly it does have hardware sqrt lol
2018-07-21T18:14:02 < Cracki> >mu 6 gorillion
2018-07-21T18:14:03 < Cracki> muh*
2018-07-21T18:14:04 < Thorn> (but no trig)
2018-07-21T18:14:16 < catphish> Thorn: if it has an FPU, yes
2018-07-21T18:14:45 < catphish> there's no hardware trig, but... having the FPU massively speeds up normal trig
2018-07-21T18:14:55 < Sadale> If they're using Arduino why aren't they using the ARM variant one?
2018-07-21T18:14:56 < Laurenceb> https://ucexperiment.wordpress.com/2015/03/31/avr-gcc-fixed-point-vs-floating-point-comparison/
2018-07-21T18:15:04 < Laurenceb> avr isnt too bad until you want to divide
2018-07-21T18:15:06 < Sadale> I think it's called Arduino due or something
2018-07-21T18:15:17 < Laurenceb>  ~130 cycles
2018-07-21T18:15:18 < Cracki> fixed point is iffy
2018-07-21T18:15:26 < Cracki> people don't know if it's signed 15.16 or 16.15
2018-07-21T18:15:34 < Laurenceb> what is >Floating-point results:
2018-07-21T18:15:34 < Cracki> 15.16 would make the most sense impl-wise
2018-07-21T18:16:03 < Sadale> Anyway, some weaker ARM microcontroller doesn't have division instruction either.
2018-07-21T18:16:05 < Thorn> >VDIV and VSQRT instructions take one cycle if no further floating-point instructions are executed.
2018-07-21T18:16:05 < catphish> i've been playing with this lately, and 1) you have to compile with -mfloat-abi=hard -mfpu=fpv4-sp-d16 2) you have to actually enable the FPU 3) you have to remember to make sure everything is single precision and use single precision functions (sinf, sqrtf, etc)
2018-07-21T18:16:07 < Thorn> wat
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2018-07-21T18:16:09 < Sadale> like those Cortex M0 ones.
2018-07-21T18:16:36 < Laurenceb> even integer division is slowwww on M0
2018-07-21T18:16:38 < Sadale> Thorn, huh? I wonder what that means
2018-07-21T18:16:44 < catphish> Thorn: interesting
2018-07-21T18:16:49 < catphish> no idea about that
2018-07-21T18:17:18 < Cracki> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0439b/BEHJADED.html
2018-07-21T18:17:21 < Sadale> Laurenceb, right. So I try to use bitshift instead of division when possible. Or make the divisor a power of two so that it'll be optimized as a bitshift operation. :(
2018-07-21T18:17:22 < catphish> i know my stm32l476rg has the FPU anyway, and it's so very much faster if you make sure to use it
2018-07-21T18:17:29 < Thorn> on m0 gcc calls _aeabi_idiv etc. to do division
2018-07-21T18:17:38 < Cracki> this is for when you issue integer-only instructions right after
2018-07-21T18:17:50 < Sadale> I think they also have an unsigned division variant for that function.
2018-07-21T18:18:13 < Cracki> does this thing use instruction reordering?
2018-07-21T18:18:33 < Thorn> >Integer-only instructions following VDIVR or VSQRT instructions complete out-of-order.
2018-07-21T18:18:51 < Cracki> confusing notes
2018-07-21T18:18:54 < catphish> Thorn: took me ages to get it to stop calling _aeabi functions, it turned out to be because almost everything defaults to double precision
2018-07-21T18:18:59 < Cracki> not this one, the second one
2018-07-21T18:19:10 < Sadale> catphish, how did you get it stop using those functions?
2018-07-21T18:19:19 < Sadale> catphish, and what alternative did you use?
2018-07-21T18:19:35 < catphish> Sadale: the alternative is to use the hardware FPU
2018-07-21T18:19:40 < Sadale> catphish, oh lol
2018-07-21T18:19:53 < Sadale> never mind. I'm on M0. No FPU for me :P
2018-07-21T18:20:06 < catphish> oh yeah, then you *need* those functions :(
2018-07-21T18:20:15 < Sadale> catphish, That's dumb, tho. Why'd they use those _aeabi functions when you have FPU? :/
2018-07-21T18:20:32 < Sadale> And I think they have hardware division instruction on higher end MCU anyway.
2018-07-21T18:20:39 < Sadale> (integer division instruction)
2018-07-21T18:20:49 < catphish> Sadale: because the fpu can only so single precision, but in gcc, floats and float functions are all double precision by default
2018-07-21T18:20:58 < Sadale> o_O
2018-07-21T18:21:02 < Sadale> seal of disapproval.
2018-07-21T18:21:11 < Sadale> wtf? float defaults to double precision?
2018-07-21T18:21:12 < Sadale> That's dumb.
2018-07-21T18:21:18 < catphish> so you have to manually specify all your numbers like 1.23f
2018-07-21T18:21:35 < catphish> and you have to be sure to use "f" suffixed functions like sinf sqrtf etc
2018-07-21T18:21:48 < Sadale> oh. I get it. So the number literal defaults to double.
2018-07-21T18:21:52 < catphish> by the way, if you do that, your m0 wil llikely be much faster too
2018-07-21T18:21:53 < Cracki> it does
2018-07-21T18:22:02 < Sadale> But if you specify the variable as float, that'd be a single-precision float.
2018-07-21T18:22:12 < Sadale> s/specify/declare/
2018-07-21T18:22:13 < Cracki> on AVRs nobody notices because avr-gcc doesn't have 64 bit floats, doubles are just singles
2018-07-21T18:22:17 < catphish> yeah, if you specify a float, that will be single precision
2018-07-21T18:22:21 < catphish> but literals default to double
2018-07-21T18:22:30 < catphish> so if you write 1 * 2.5
2018-07-21T18:22:31 < Sadale> I see. I think that's possibly specified in the C standard.
2018-07-21T18:22:34 < Cracki> bang
2018-07-21T18:22:51 < catphish> then that will upgrade 1 to a double, and do a double precision multiply
2018-07-21T18:23:39 < catphish> something that tripped me up a few times, particularly noticable when you're running FPU operations in a 100khz loop :)
2018-07-21T18:24:02 < catphish> but probably worth considering even for simpler things
2018-07-21T18:25:06 < Sadale> catphish, found it. "An unsuffixed floating constant has type double. If suffixed by the letter f or F, it has type float. If suffixed by the letter l or L, it has type long double."
2018-07-21T18:25:21 < catphish> Sadale:  :)
2018-07-21T18:25:32 < Sadale> catphish, C99 standard. N1256. Section 6.4.4.2, point 4.
2018-07-21T18:25:47 < Sadale> so gcc is behaving correctly. =P
2018-07-21T18:26:02 < catphish> indeed it is, i certainly wasn't accusing it of not doing so
2018-07-21T18:26:07 < Sadale> I know :)
2018-07-21T18:26:14 < catphish> though i wish it had a "no doubles please" mode
2018-07-21T18:26:38 < Sadale> right. Sometimes those definitions in the standard can be annoying :(
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2018-07-21T18:27:30 < Sadale> anyway, it isn't a problem for higher end processors that has double-precision floating point computation unit.
2018-07-21T18:27:46 < catphish> i have a question... if i'm using a timer to do PWM and i have buffering disabled, what happens if i update the value to something that has already been passed in that cycle? will it switch immediately, or not at all?
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2018-07-21T18:29:29 < Thorn> iirc CCRs are either always shadowed or must be configured to be shadowed according to the RM or 'proper operation is not guaranteed'
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2018-07-21T18:30:20 < catphish> what i want to do is apply changes to my pwm output as fast as possible
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2018-07-21T18:30:55 < catphish> although it probably doesn't matter to much if it lags by one cycle
2018-07-21T18:31:25 < Cracki> the unshadowed behaivor for AVRs is that the counter would have missed the event, so it will keep running
2018-07-21T18:31:45 < catphish> yeah that's what i'm scared of
2018-07-21T18:31:55 < catphish> if that's possible i'd rather just wait til the next cycle
2018-07-21T18:32:11 < Cracki> if you update at bottom/overflow, you could assume that the timer hasn't passed the mark yet
2018-07-21T18:32:58 < Cracki> configure shadowing, no headache
2018-07-21T18:33:04 < catphish> i considered that, but not really reliable
2018-07-21T18:33:11 < Thorn> you can update the CCR in the previous cycle, the new value will take effect at the next update event (start of the next cycle)
2018-07-21T18:33:29 < Thorn> this is how DMA to PWM works
2018-07-21T18:33:31 < Cracki> shadowing only causes you headaches if you need to think about a whole sequence of intervals, each differing
2018-07-21T18:34:27 < Cracki> then you have to think about when you set the value, when it's applied to the real register, when that cycle runs, ...
2018-07-21T18:35:46 < catphish> i suspect not buffering it is a bad idea, so i'll just write CCRs in the previous cycle and let it buffer
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2018-07-21T18:36:02 < Cracki> it is a bad idea.
2018-07-21T18:36:33 < Cracki> I've tried that before, missing the compare does happen, it's noticeable.
2018-07-21T18:37:07 < catphish> i suspected that, thanks for confirming
2018-07-21T18:37:08 < Cracki> all depends on when you update. if you can get that down tight, not a problem.
2018-07-21T18:37:32 < catphish> i may end up not using pwm at all, but for now buffering should be fine
2018-07-21T18:37:50 < Cracki> my controller already had lots of interrupt routines running, so the timer ISR ran late enough to run past the mark
2018-07-21T18:38:13 < Cracki> what are you doing?
2018-07-21T18:38:57 < catphish> building a 3 phase motor controller
2018-07-21T18:39:08 < Cracki> ic
2018-07-21T18:39:20 < Cracki> stmbl
2018-07-21T18:39:43 < Cracki> pick a cortex m with timer peripherals made for 3phase motor control
2018-07-21T18:40:04 < catphish> pretty sure mine has everything needed
2018-07-21T18:40:09 < Cracki> good
2018-07-21T18:40:18 < Thorn> Telstar 19v Mission T-14h https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xybp6zLaGx4
2018-07-21T18:40:51 < Cracki> movie recommendation: look who's back (2015), at least partially. they are absolutely oblivious to the redpilling they cause.
2018-07-21T18:41:02 < Cracki> in fourteen hours?
2018-07-21T18:41:21 < catphish> it works well so far anyway :)
2018-07-21T18:41:29 < Thorn> yessir
2018-07-21T18:41:58 < Cracki> yay, they'll land the phallus again!
2018-07-21T18:42:04 < Cracki> hope this time they have video of it
2018-07-21T18:43:50 < catphish> i need 3-channel pwm with positive/negative outputs and dead time, i need adc, and i need a way to read an encoder, my stm32l476 has all that :)
2018-07-21T18:47:08 < Cracki> that it does.
2018-07-21T18:47:09 < Thorn> motors + extruder + hotend = ~$75
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2018-07-21T18:53:53 < catphish> if i have a timer counting from external pulses (specifically an encoder) is there a special procedure to reset it, or does one just set TIMx_CNT = 0
2018-07-21T18:55:12 < Thorn> set the UG bit in SR to generate an update event
2018-07-21T18:57:26 < catphish> ah, setting UG reloads the counter to the auto-reload value (ie zero if upcounting)
2018-07-21T18:57:29 < catphish> thanks
2018-07-21T18:58:22 < catphish> basically at each pwm cycle i want to know how many pulses have been received from the encoder since the last check
2018-07-21T18:59:32 < catphish> during each pwm cycle it looks at the current sensors, gets the encoder count, does some calculations and sets the PWM CCRs ready for the next cycle
2018-07-21T19:01:04 < catphish> or i may just let it keep counting, that avoids the problem of having to atomically read and zero it
2018-07-21T19:02:18 < catphish> i've been working on this for months, mostly been trying to achieve "sensorless" motor control, but that turns out to be beyond my level of skill, so i'm going back to using an encoder :)
2018-07-21T19:03:54 < Sadale> I think feedback control is probably the way to do motor control.
2018-07-21T19:04:17 < Sadale> I guess the behavior of output devices like motor are just difficult to be predicted.
2018-07-21T19:07:20 < Cracki> >sensorless
2018-07-21T19:07:31 < Cracki> what do people mean by that in relation to BLDC?
2018-07-21T19:07:47 < Cracki> just blindly driving the motor?
2018-07-21T19:08:30 < Cracki> you want to sense something, angle, angular velocity, back EMF from the motor...
2018-07-21T19:09:19 < catphish> sensorless refers to using electrical sensors rather than mechanical ones
2018-07-21T19:10:26 < catphish> so a "sensored" motor controller will have a position sensor, or rotary encoder, or similar, sensorless will try to work out motor posision / speed using electrical signals, like back emf and current
2018-07-21T19:11:35 < catphish> i've tried, both, and using a mechanical sensor is infinitely easier, at least for induction motors
2018-07-21T19:11:44 < Sadale> oh.
2018-07-21T19:11:57 < catphish> for BLDC with fixed magnets, i think sensorless is easier and more common
2018-07-21T19:12:07 < Sadale> I thought that by sensorless motor you meant motor with no feedback control. I guess I was mistaken :3
2018-07-21T19:13:17 < Cracki> "sensorless" is marketing bullshit
2018-07-21T19:13:26 < Cracki> someone had to come up with a dazzling term
2018-07-21T19:13:40 < catphish> i guess it's a silly term, the reason stems from the fact that the user doens't have to install an extra sensor
2018-07-21T19:13:46 < catphish> ie it's all built into the controller
2018-07-21T19:13:52 < Cracki> makes sense
2018-07-21T19:14:34 < Cracki> the trouble with that is you have to understand the BLDC and the power electronics
2018-07-21T19:14:45 < Cracki> PWM craps all over the otherwise clean signal you could measure
2018-07-21T19:15:07 < Cracki> even with steppers, it's visible
2018-07-21T19:15:07 < catphish> yeah, and with induction, even if you do get a clean signal, the maths is mad
2018-07-21T19:15:22 < srk> catphish: if you can run sensored than sensorless is quite similar - you need a ramp to certain minimum RPM where backEMF kicks in and then you run observer as input to FOC
2018-07-21T19:15:38 < Cracki> (there are stepper drivers that claim some back-emf stall detection, which is only works for high speeds)
2018-07-21T19:15:56 < catphish> srk: i've been trying for months, can't get it working, maybe the maths is too much for me
2018-07-21T19:16:08 < Cracki> probe it with a scope
2018-07-21T19:16:25 < Cracki> use a signal generator perhaps, and constant current instead of pwm
2018-07-21T19:16:28 < catphish> a scope would just see the pwm
2018-07-21T19:16:43 < Cracki> does that mean you don't look at your signals?
2018-07-21T19:16:47 < Cracki> or that you see just pwm?
2018-07-21T19:16:55 < Cracki> I understand filtering is involved
2018-07-21T19:17:29 < catphish> the question is mostly about what you're actually looking for
2018-07-21T19:17:36 < Cracki> what does the sensing have to give you? commutation point? more?
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2018-07-21T19:18:32 < catphish> that's the question! you have to find some way to combine voltage and current together to give you the flux inside the motor
2018-07-21T19:18:41 < catphish> trust me when i say it's non trivial
2018-07-21T19:18:56 < Cracki> there are lectures on this
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2018-07-21T19:18:59 < catphish> indeed
2018-07-21T19:19:18 < Cracki> coil current behaves a certain way in relation to angular velocity and angle
2018-07-21T19:19:35 < catphish> "angle" is the key to all this
2018-07-21T19:19:40 < catphish> and is extremely difficult to calculate
2018-07-21T19:19:53 < catphish> you need to know the angle of the magnetic field
2018-07-21T19:19:54 < Cracki> so you know what angle you want, then you figure out how the current behaves at this angle and angular velocity
2018-07-21T19:19:58 < Cracki> then you look for that current
2018-07-21T19:20:21 < Cracki> I imagine one would have to estimate angular velocity and phase
2018-07-21T19:20:47 < Cracki> and the rotor has a phase-shifted relationship to coil current phase
2018-07-21T19:20:59 < srk> there are lectures, there are diplma thesis (james mevey's) tons of videos and implementations
2018-07-21T19:21:05 < Cracki> just guessing here
2018-07-21T19:21:06 < srk> but nothing like actually trying to implement it 
2018-07-21T19:21:06 < srk> :)
2018-07-21T19:21:09 < catphish> that's exactly correct, what you have to estimate is the phase of the rotor field
2018-07-21T19:21:20 < srk> *is
2018-07-21T19:21:47 < catphish> but you can't just turn off a coil and measure the voltage on it
2018-07-21T19:21:53 < Sadale> I guess it's eaiser said than done. :P
2018-07-21T19:22:04 < srk> this :)
2018-07-21T19:22:46 < srk> catphish: with SVPWM you can measure current at 0 and 7 points iirc
2018-07-21T19:23:11 < catphish> you can measure current any time, it's just a sine wave
2018-07-21T19:24:27 < catphish> this is the data one has access to: https://imgur.com/a/9p7zb this is the voltage (output to the pwm, the real voltage is of course pulsed) and current (real) on one phase
2018-07-21T19:24:44 < srk> (voltage - right)
2018-07-21T19:24:52 < catphish> the 2 charts show the motor at no load (top) and full load (bottom)
2018-07-21T19:25:23 < catphish> so there are some cool properties here, like the amplitude and phase offset of the current compared to the voltage
2018-07-21T19:25:33 < catphish> but none of this is on its own enough to control the motor
2018-07-21T19:25:39 < catphish> you have to do a ton of maths on it
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2018-07-21T19:28:09 < catphish> it's been a cool project, but ultimately i gave up, on the other hand it's really easy to control a motor if you know the shaft rotation speed
2018-07-21T19:29:26 < Cracki> phase offset on the unloaded graph looks to be pi/3
2018-07-21T19:29:33 < Cracki> am I close?
2018-07-21T19:29:41 < catphish> i have no idea i'm afraid
2018-07-21T19:29:47 < Cracki> what should it be?
2018-07-21T19:30:07 < Cracki> I would have expected pi/4
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2018-07-21T19:30:11 < srk> "easy" :) when you add all the bits and pieces like encoder offset calibration, clarke/park, current control.. gets interesting at least
2018-07-21T19:31:01 < Thorn> a set of smooth rods is over $30? wat
2018-07-21T19:31:31 < Cracki> for what?
2018-07-21T19:31:42 < Cracki> what specifications?
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2018-07-21T19:32:53 < catphish> srk: depends how far you want to go with it (ie whether you feel you need FOC), but the only thing you actually *need* to do when you have an encoder is choose how much torque you want, and set the frequency a little higher than the measured rotational speed (desired slip), and the voltage high enough to get some current (desired torque)
2018-07-21T19:33:03 < catphish> it's less accurate than FOC, but it works great
2018-07-21T19:33:29 < Thorn> Cracki: https://youtu.be/J6_z0YMhYdM?t=8m30s
2018-07-21T19:33:38 < srk> catphish: my goal is position control for CNCs & like
2018-07-21T19:33:46 < Cracki> ah
2018-07-21T19:34:28 < catphish> srk: would one want to use induction motors for that?
2018-07-21T19:34:44 < srk> hardened steel smooth rods can be quite expensive :(
2018-07-21T19:34:53 < catphish> if so, i guues you use much the same control mechanisms, but also use the encoder for its absolute position ability
2018-07-21T19:34:57 < srk> catphish: yeah, it's quite common in industry actually
2018-07-21T19:35:13 < srk> catphish: they just call it "servo" :D
2018-07-21T19:35:25 < catphish> srk: indeed :) "big ass servo"
2018-07-21T19:36:24 < srk> like, you can do FOC with steppers as well but looks even more complicated than with BLDC.. FPGA territory
2018-07-21T19:37:21 < catphish> this was the first version of my device, using arduino: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpoKjMrhbxc it worked fine, since then i've been playing with "sensorless" and the STM32, but i'll likely now go back to the sensor, since it works great, but i still love STM32 :)
2018-07-21T19:37:26 < Cracki> "foc" is just creating the current such that you have a certain magnetic field
2018-07-21T19:37:40 < Cracki> and orienting it to maximize torque or whatever you want
2018-07-21T19:38:08 < srk> yup
2018-07-21T19:38:31 < catphish> indeed it is, if you get the right slip and current, you get the same result anyway, but FOC is the scientific way to do it
2018-07-21T19:38:32 < Cracki> I'm not sure how well that works when steppers have significant resonance frequencies
2018-07-21T19:39:16 < srk> catphish: big ass! that battery stack is cool :D
2018-07-21T19:39:19 < Cracki> I understand FOC for steppers would let you accelerate as much as physics allows, not just pick a safe constant acceleration
2018-07-21T19:39:23 < srk> Category: Pets, right <3
2018-07-21T19:40:03 < catphish> srk: that was about 85v, i usually test with 24v or 48v, the motor actually wants 300v+ for full power
2018-07-21T19:40:20 < srk> how much kV is that? :)
2018-07-21T19:40:35 < srk> meant kW but kV as well :D
2018-07-21T19:41:05 < Thorn> why are there heaters, fans etc. for 3d printers rated for both 12V and 24V? who uses 24V in a 3d printer?
2018-07-21T19:41:35  * srk does
2018-07-21T19:41:35 < catphish> srk: in theory that inverter block can handle 100A at 1000V, i've only tested it up to 85v and about 3A :)
2018-07-21T19:41:52 < Thorn> what is the advantage
2018-07-21T19:42:05 < srk> less current, faster heat-up 
2018-07-21T19:42:07 < catphish> srk: because i love being alive
2018-07-21T19:42:09 < srk> as always
2018-07-21T19:42:25 < Thorn> do you also run nema 17 motors from 24V?
2018-07-21T19:42:43 < srk> catphish: yeah, even the one I'm using (800W) is a bit scary
2018-07-21T19:42:47 < srk> Thorn: yes
2018-07-21T19:42:58 < Thorn> interesting
2018-07-21T19:43:04 < srk> Thorn: for steppers 24V makes sense as well, better performance
2018-07-21T19:43:19 < srk> our CNC runs 24V, leadshine drivers
2018-07-21T19:43:29 < Thorn> I assume driver ICs are smart enough to limit current even if you power them with 24V?
2018-07-21T19:43:35 < srk> 3d printer is lulzbot taz 4 
2018-07-21T19:43:49 < srk> yeah
2018-07-21T19:44:38 < Cracki> driver ics don't care about the voltage. most do current control.
2018-07-21T19:44:47 < srk> when you have 24V system you can limit PWM duty cycle if you need to use 12V fan or hotend heater
2018-07-21T19:44:57 < Cracki> shit starts happening when your voltage is so high that the minimum on-time already causes too much current.
2018-07-21T19:45:11 < Cracki> that limits your number of microsteps
2018-07-21T19:45:24 < catphish> once i have this inverter setup perfect the plan is to put the motor in some kind of small EV buggy
2018-07-21T19:45:42 < catphish> but for the last few months i got distracted by the maths of motor control
2018-07-21T19:45:43 < srk> hehe, want to build one as well but with 4x2kW motors
2018-07-21T19:46:01 < srk> lol, for me it's almost a year now
2018-07-21T19:46:07 < catphish> but now given up on that and probably going to get back to the mechanical side of things
2018-07-21T19:46:30 < srk> I've got to force myself to work on other stuff as well
2018-07-21T19:46:50 < catphish> i'll rework my inverter to work with a rotary encoder, i'll design a way to mount the encoder onto the motor, then maybe buy a go-kart and some more batteries :)
2018-07-21T19:46:55 < srk> I've started with ODrive boards, now I have a TI BOOST-XL for (10A only) for development
2018-07-21T19:47:38 < catphish> might be sensible to do 2 motors, then i don't need a diff, and the inverters only need to handle half as much power each :)
2018-07-21T19:48:12 < srk> 4 so you can spin in place
2018-07-21T19:48:22 < srk> xD
2018-07-21T19:48:38 < srk> if I just got my hands on a tesla .. :D
2018-07-21T19:48:42 < catphish> lol
2018-07-21T19:49:40 < englishman> hi
2018-07-21T19:49:54 < englishman> it appears you are talking about interesting things
2018-07-21T19:50:14 < englishman> 2kW is pretty small
2018-07-21T19:50:36 < catphish> depends how fast you want to go, but yes
2018-07-21T19:50:37 < srk> times 4 it's pretty cool for gocart :)
2018-07-21T19:51:01 < catphish> but yeah 8kW would be plenty for a buggy/kart
2018-07-21T19:51:06 < englishman> could be
2018-07-21T19:51:20 < catphish> i worked out you need about 15 minimum for a small car on the road
2018-07-21T19:51:51 < englishman> my little atv is 4kW and it's relatively slow
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2018-07-21T19:52:27 < catphish> well the legal limit here for a bike without a licence is 250W, so that's all you need to get you around
2018-07-21T19:52:30 < englishman> I was under the impression hubmotors were largely dead
2018-07-21T19:53:07 < englishman> ah 250w is low, is that for the ebikes that need pedals too
2018-07-21T19:53:13 < catphish> yes
2018-07-21T19:53:22 < englishman> lame
2018-07-21T19:53:27 < catphish> my test motor is also 250W :)
2018-07-21T19:53:44 < catphish> the ideal for me would be some kind of road legal buggy
2018-07-21T19:53:46 < kakimir> !wz oulu
2018-07-21T19:53:49 < englishbot> [Oulu, Finland] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 24.0°C. Humidity: 83%.
2018-07-21T19:53:53 < catphish> maybe a quad bike
2018-07-21T19:53:57 < kakimir> fuu
2018-07-21T19:54:48 < catphish> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/road-legal-buggy-spares-or-repair/332727102470?hash=item4d7814ac06%3Ag%3AkxwAAOSwYdtbQbxP&_sop=7&_sacat=9800&_nkw=road+legal&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=m570.l1313
2018-07-21T19:54:49 < srk> englishbot: atv?
2018-07-21T19:54:53 < englishman> I think next week I will buy a 1990 Mazda miata
2018-07-21T19:54:58 < srk> all terrauin vehicle?
2018-07-21T19:54:59 < srk> pics
2018-07-21T19:55:00 < srk> ?
2018-07-21T19:55:01 < srk> :)
2018-07-21T19:55:11 < englishman> with the goal of putting in a tesla rear clip
2018-07-21T19:55:20 < englishman> Yes atv and yes I have pix
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2018-07-21T19:59:13 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/javmAWB.jpg
2018-07-21T19:59:48 < englishman> lol that eBay buggy
2018-07-21T19:59:54 < englishman> great price
2018-07-21T19:59:56 < srk> nice
2018-07-21T20:00:51 < catphish> englishman: well it's not sold yet :)
2018-07-21T20:01:28 < catphish> i'd buy it at that price though, the inverters will cost more!
2018-07-21T20:03:12 < englishman> cheaper than a motor
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2018-07-21T20:16:58 < branjb> make:r question, I have an acme screw with the non fixed end sitting inside a 607z bearing.. the diameter of the acme is slightly smaller than the center hole of the bearing.  It works fine during operation but I get annoying rattling, anyone dealt with this?
2018-07-21T20:17:21 < branjb> thinking of just using some kind of putty or something to fill the space and keep it from rattling
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2018-07-21T20:26:13 < Cracki> stick some paper between it
2018-07-21T20:26:21 < Cracki> or locktite or something
2018-07-21T20:26:34 < Cracki> hot glue maybe
2018-07-21T20:30:04 < Cracki> https://resistancehole.clickhole.com/resistance-win-when-one-of-her-students-wore-a-maga-ha-1826535239
2018-07-21T20:39:07 < bitmask> so I bought this 60 drawer storage thing, when does someone come over to organize my stuff in it?
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2018-07-21T20:48:46 < tcth> zup
2018-07-21T20:48:50 < tcth> people
2018-07-21T21:02:26 < Steffanx> Zky
2018-07-21T21:07:41 < Thorn> why in some printers the bed moves vertically instead of the hotend?
2018-07-21T21:10:30 < Cracki> lets you keep lots of moving parts non-moving
2018-07-21T21:10:46 < Cracki> makes for a more rigid frame keeping the x-y in place
2018-07-21T21:10:56 < Cracki> z only needs to be strong, not agile
2018-07-21T21:11:28 < Steffanx> are there actually printers with beds that do y and z movements? ( i cannot imagine why you want that but .. )
2018-07-21T21:11:38 < Cracki> I've only seen printers that do a single axis
2018-07-21T21:11:54 < Cracki> either down or back and forth
2018-07-21T21:12:00 < Steffanx> Yeah.
2018-07-21T21:12:08 < Cracki> the back-forth ones I mistrust
2018-07-21T21:12:24 < Thorn> but then the hot end must have 2 degrees of freedom
2018-07-21T21:12:28 < Steffanx> works for me (tm)
2018-07-21T21:12:37 < Cracki> it already has one degree of x or y
2018-07-21T21:12:39 < Thorn> 3 motors at the very top of the frame
2018-07-21T21:12:46 < Cracki> one more won't affect it
2018-07-21T21:13:18 < Cracki> the hotend has at most one motor, for extrusion
2018-07-21T21:13:28 < Cracki> x and y motors are fixed to the frame
2018-07-21T21:13:41 < Thorn> + 2 fans
2018-07-21T21:13:47 < Cracki> eh
2018-07-21T21:14:09 < Cracki> this FDM stuff is low end anyway
2018-07-21T21:14:27 < Cracki> laser sintering or inkjet approaches are an orders of magnitude faster
2018-07-21T21:14:37 < Steffanx> yes and totally hobby grade :P
2018-07-21T21:14:43 < Cracki> >_>
2018-07-21T21:15:50 < Cracki> I know companies with too much money, but what do they do? do they buy smart people? no! they buy expensive machines you *would* need smart people to make use of
2018-07-21T21:16:03 < Cracki> one such company bought a HP inkjet-based 3d printer.
2018-07-21T21:17:11 < Cracki> and they bitch and moan about low build volume utilization... because they can't be assed to spend another 100-1000 bucks on software to arrange parts efficiently
2018-07-21T21:18:55 < Cracki> (nesting/bin packing)
2018-07-21T21:19:04 < Steffanx> hehe, always nice.
2018-07-21T21:19:27 < Steffanx> Still better than tech companies that pay shit and let the employees work with shit.
2018-07-21T21:19:58 < Steffanx> and still expect the employees to make some technical challenging stuff
2018-07-21T21:20:08 < Thorn> why can't you use ball bearings as wheels riding on a profile for horizontal movements instead of those smooth rods + linear bearings?
2018-07-21T21:20:27 < Cracki> they aren't even a tech company. they started as resellers of industrial printers and paper. then they got their hands on some tech and thought they could *innovate*
2018-07-21T21:20:37 < Cracki> you *can* use bearings
2018-07-21T21:20:42 < Cracki> people do use them
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2018-07-21T21:21:04 < Cracki> it might be mechanically unwise
2018-07-21T21:21:26 < Cracki> depends on how you mount them and keep dust off the surface
2018-07-21T21:21:42 < Cracki> self-made cnc mills might just be bearings against guide gails
2018-07-21T21:21:44 < Cracki> rails
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2018-07-21T21:38:51 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ws9DMWx2-g music times
2018-07-21T21:39:26 < Steffanx> kakimir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HtyF0jux2Q
2018-07-21T21:40:04 < Thorn> >When I bought my 3d printer the seller didn't include enough M8 nuts so I had to print one
2018-07-21T21:40:05 < Thorn> WAT
2018-07-21T21:40:19 < Steffanx> must be a joke
2018-07-21T21:41:31 < Cracki> said who
2018-07-21T21:41:50 < Cracki> you wouldn't print a hammer?
2018-07-21T21:42:06 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIC0aQ56ASE better musics
2018-07-21T21:42:42 < Thorn> generally speaking 3d printers appear to be used mostly to print their own parts
2018-07-21T21:43:16 < bitmask> thats what im doing right now :)
2018-07-21T21:43:25  * Steffanx prints a gun to kill Cracki
2018-07-21T21:44:26 < Cracki> you forgot to print bullets and powder
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2018-07-21T22:38:49 < Thorn> 20T W10 or 16T W6?
2018-07-21T22:49:55 < upgrdman> anyone tried a mesh/hollow bike saddle? like this   https://amzn.to/2LySCM4
2018-07-21T22:50:21 < kakimir> hmm
2018-07-21T22:50:36 < kakimir> seat farts
2018-07-21T22:52:32 < Steffanx> not me upgrdman
2018-07-21T22:52:38 < upgrdman> k
2018-07-21T22:53:17 < kakimir> should I try that?
2018-07-21T22:53:37 < upgrdman> im just thinking that on hot summer days it might be nice to get more ass airflow :)
2018-07-21T22:54:02 < upgrdman> but it also looks stiff, so prolly uncomfortable
2018-07-21T22:55:39 < kakimir> use ass spring
2018-07-21T22:55:44 < kakimir> I linked it before
2018-07-21T22:56:11 < upgrdman> ?
2018-07-21T22:58:14 < kakimir> ebay "bicycle saddle suspension"
2018-07-21T22:58:28 < Steffanx> iirc that looked awful
2018-07-21T22:58:28 < upgrdman> isnt that part of the saddle?
2018-07-21T22:58:36 < kakimir> no
2018-07-21T22:58:41 < kakimir> that is middle piece
2018-07-21T22:58:57 < kakimir> Steffanx: no it doesn't
2018-07-21T22:59:08 < Steffanx> it does imho
2018-07-21T23:00:04 < Steffanx> and it doesnt help solve the sweaty arse problem
2018-07-21T23:00:23 < Steffanx> makes me wonder if its really an issue for mr upgrdman
2018-07-21T23:00:24 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vrQocbE3BxqvidsVu-UrQxYTUTQNYp9Q/view?usp=sharing
2018-07-21T23:00:31 < Thorn> how can you have 20T W6 and 16T W6 pulleys and both are 2mm pitch?
2018-07-21T23:00:33 < kakimir> Steffanx: cool looks
2018-07-21T23:02:39 < Steffanx> i have a speed racing bicycle, which is stiff as hell. I dont need arse suspension :P
2018-07-21T23:04:56 < kakimir> well
2018-07-21T23:05:32 < kakimir> you don't drive that on bad roads or rough city centers do you?
2018-07-21T23:05:38 < Steffanx> nope
2018-07-21T23:05:42 < Steffanx> and yes
2018-07-21T23:05:51 < Steffanx> but i tend to avoid that
2018-07-21T23:05:52 < Rickta59> i have a huge sprung seat with like 3inches of padding
2018-07-21T23:05:58 < kakimir> you don't speed race thru city center - do you?
2018-07-21T23:06:02 < zyp> when you're biking, you put your weight on your sitting bones
2018-07-21T23:06:23 < zyp> a bike seat is not supposed to be a couch you dump your whole ass into
2018-07-21T23:06:34 < Steffanx> ill have to go through city centers kakimir
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2018-07-21T23:07:20 < Rickta59> https://www.amazon.com/KT-Sports-Gel-Bike-Seat-Cover/dp/B01LY5TRDF that is the way to go on crappy roads
2018-07-21T23:07:38 < Steffanx> hehe
2018-07-21T23:08:08 < Rickta59> actually this is closer to what i have https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01K9H8PUU
2018-07-21T23:08:23 < Steffanx> Not sitting down is the way to go on shitty roads. :P
2018-07-21T23:08:47 < Rickta59> i felt guilt at first replacing my trek 6000 seat which was basically a hunk of metal
2018-07-21T23:08:56 < kakimir> zyp: yeah - you pull your ass down even more with pedals coming upwards
2018-07-21T23:08:57 < Rickta59> but then i didn't
2018-07-21T23:09:16 < kakimir> to keep ass tight into saddle
2018-07-21T23:09:36 < Steffanx> ##bicycle32 \o/
2018-07-21T23:10:03 < Steffanx> i heard tcth is into arses. He has something to say in this matter?
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2018-07-21T23:10:42 < Cracki> bicycle seats injure nerves important for a complete and healthy erection
2018-07-21T23:10:45 < Cracki> so be careful what you buy
2018-07-21T23:11:09 < zyp> speaking from experience?
2018-07-21T23:11:16 < Cracki> gladly no
2018-07-21T23:11:57 < Thorn> erection is sexist
2018-07-21T23:12:07 < Steffanx> But thats not something that happens when you only cycle occationally
2018-07-21T23:12:09 < Cracki> trust the dutch, they probably know how to cycle
2018-07-21T23:12:29 < Cracki> define occasionally
2018-07-21T23:12:48 < Cracki> people who "have" a bicycle tend to use them almost every day
2018-07-21T23:12:57 < zyp> uh
2018-07-21T23:13:07 < zyp> where does that statistic come from?
2018-07-21T23:13:15 < Steffanx> But also for hours and hours in a row?
2018-07-21T23:13:36 < zyp> I probably use mine once or twice a week at most
2018-07-21T23:13:43 < Steffanx> I heard the same thing Cracki, but i believe it was mainly in race bicycle context
2018-07-21T23:14:30 < Cracki> just saying, don't be cheap, get a good one and research the shapes
2018-07-21T23:14:40 < Steffanx> All of my "normal" bikes got stolen, never bother to buy a new one :)
2018-07-21T23:14:46 < Steffanx> Bothered
2018-07-21T23:14:52 < Steffanx> So car it is for me 
2018-07-21T23:14:54 < zyp> wat
2018-07-21T23:15:16 < Steffanx> Almost like a yankee. Do everything by car
2018-07-21T23:15:45 < Cracki> apropos fertility... some dude on memri tv said women become infertile when they drive cars, so *that* is why they forbid their wives to drive ;)
2018-07-21T23:16:03 < Cracki> makes total sense eh?
2018-07-21T23:16:22 < Steffanx> Hah
2018-07-21T23:18:17 < Steffanx> Next week youll be able to buy yourself a new bike for just 15 dollar or so
2018-07-21T23:18:39 < Steffanx> Just find a random junky with a stolen bike in the city of Groningen
2018-07-21T23:18:44 < Steffanx> @mr zyp
2018-07-21T23:20:25 < Cracki> eurotrip?
2018-07-21T23:22:10 < Thorn> zyp: did you write your own motion planning or are you using grbl or something like that?
2018-07-21T23:22:58 < Steffanx> I heard zyp is going on a euro trip indeed, Cracki 
2018-07-21T23:23:28 < Cracki> good luck
2018-07-21T23:23:33 < Steffanx> He did that in python Thorn.
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2018-07-21T23:23:59 < Cracki> hope you see enough misery to convince you to vote wisely in your home country
2018-07-21T23:24:20 < Steffanx> Dutchland is an amazing country mr Cracki 
2018-07-21T23:24:40 < Steffanx> Denmark isnt that bad either
2018-07-21T23:24:46 < Steffanx> Germany on the other hand..
2018-07-21T23:24:49 < Cracki> probably, but until he gets there, he'll have to pass through dEutSchland
2018-07-21T23:24:53 < Cracki> aye
2018-07-21T23:25:20 < Cracki> these days I'm learning that I haven't been taught history, I've been taught stories
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2018-07-21T23:25:51 < Steffanx> ww2 was a nice story uh?
2018-07-21T23:26:42 < Cracki> if they had owned up to telling us stories, they could at least have claimed it's about "the moral of the story", like in cartoons on sunday morning children's tv
2018-07-21T23:27:02 < vampi-the-frog> hi, is this the whining channel?
2018-07-21T23:27:11 < Steffanx> no, not today vampi-the-frog
2018-07-21T23:27:15 < Steffanx> try #electronics
2018-07-21T23:27:15 < Cracki> it could be the frog boiling channel :P
2018-07-21T23:27:43 < Thorn> >python
2018-07-21T23:27:51 < Cracki> wat about snek
2018-07-21T23:30:44 < Steffanx> You're not even in #electronics vampi-the-frog
2018-07-21T23:31:01 < Steffanx> i mean ##electronics
2018-07-21T23:31:51 < srk> >#haskell
2018-07-21T23:31:59  * srk hides
2018-07-21T23:32:03 < Cracki> lel
2018-07-21T23:32:20 < Cracki> neckbeards and shoe-gazing fedoras
2018-07-21T23:32:51 < Cracki> how does rust fare?
2018-07-21T23:32:52 < Steffanx> 933 people thought haskell was a good idea srk?
2018-07-21T23:32:59 < Steffanx> damn htat channel is huge
2018-07-21T23:34:53 < srk> :]
2018-07-21T23:35:27 < srk> rust needs to go a long way 
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2018-07-21T23:36:25 < Cracki> curse of popularity
2018-07-21T23:36:39 < Cracki> python survived because it has a dictator
2018-07-21T23:37:05 < kakimir> python survivors
2018-07-21T23:41:32 < Steffanx> Dictator, you mean van Rossum, Cracki ?
2018-07-21T23:42:31 < Cracki> that is his title
2018-07-21T23:43:58 < Steffanx> Ahcya
2018-07-21T23:44:01 < Steffanx> -c
2018-07-21T23:46:16 < catphish> is there anything stm32 can't do?
2018-07-21T23:47:03 < Steffanx> Yes.
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2018-07-21T23:51:02 < englishman> it can't do lunix
2018-07-21T23:51:07 < englishman> which is a feature
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2018-07-21T23:52:11 < Thorn> iirc van Rossum has had enough and resigned
2018-07-21T23:53:17 < Cracki> in july 2018 it seems
2018-07-21T23:53:33 < Cracki> https://www.mail-archive.com/python-committers@python.org/msg05628.html
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2018-07-21T23:54:10 < Steffanx> It can do lunix englishman 
2018-07-21T23:54:14 < Steffanx> Uclunix
2018-07-21T23:54:18 < Steffanx> Which is lunix
2018-07-21T23:54:29 < Steffanx> It cannot ungrumpy englishman 
2018-07-21T23:54:37 < englishman> rip stm32
2018-07-21T23:55:39 < englishman> who is guido
2018-07-21T23:55:45 < englishman> I don't trust guidos
2018-07-21T23:57:19 < Cracki> damn, they have a CoC
2018-07-21T23:57:37 < Cracki> I was too quick to pronounce it "survived"
2018-07-21T23:58:17 < englishman> Committee of Cocks?
2018-07-21T23:58:48 < Cracki> close enough
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2018-07-22T00:02:55 < zyp> Thorn, I wrote my own
2018-07-22T00:03:36 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/G6UcQ <- it's a mess, but it works
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2018-07-22T00:04:21 < Thorn> this mess is about 20x shorter than the marlin mess lol
2018-07-22T00:04:22 < Thorn> thanks
2018-07-22T00:04:43 < Cracki> you could throw it at an SMT solver
2018-07-22T00:05:08 < Cracki> rather LP solver... generate constraints and utility function
2018-07-22T00:06:23 < cpctr> lets play stm32
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2018-07-22T00:21:21 < karlp> well, shit.  this is dumb. my "clean, un touched android 1" is missing the sip calling functionality.
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2018-07-22T00:23:54 < Steffanx> Android 1 as in android version 1 karlp ?
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2018-07-22T00:36:38 < karlp> no, "android one"
2018-07-22T00:36:47 < karlp> it's still android 8.1,
2018-07-22T00:45:19 < Steffanx> Oh never heard od it
2018-07-22T00:55:57 < zyp> which phone? xiaomi a1 or something?
2018-07-22T00:56:06 < zyp> or are there more relevant android one phones nowadays?
2018-07-22T00:56:33 < zyp> last I checked, xiaomi a1 were the only one that seemed to have worldwide availability
2018-07-22T00:58:41 < karlp> yeah, a1.
2018-07-22T00:58:54 < karlp> it's really nice actualy, this is a really odd thing to have somehow cut
2018-07-22T00:59:05 < karlp> sip dialing's meant to be native since android 2.3 or soemthing.
2018-07-22T00:59:14 < zyp> is it?
2018-07-22T00:59:22 < karlp> according to google, yes
2018-07-22T00:59:51 < karlp> it's not exactly easy to find anywhere, but apparently you just "add another calling account"
2018-07-22T01:00:40 < zyp> yeah, I just figured out where I do that on my phone
2018-07-22T01:00:43 < zyp> didn't know about that
2018-07-22T01:02:28 < karlp> twilio will let me have an icelandic number for either 1 or 5 euro a month, their website conflicts.
2018-07-22T01:02:59 < karlp> all the other providers I have to have a foreign one, which isn't all bad, jsut a bit less convenient.
2018-07-22T01:03:41 < karlp> gotrunk will give me an inum for free, but my provider here doesn't route them yet :)
2018-07-22T01:03:45 < karlp> good job vodafone.
2018-07-22T01:04:33 < zyp> so, uh, I thought the point of android one was to run vanilla android
2018-07-22T01:04:40 < zyp> so why would sip be missing?
2018-07-22T01:05:09 < karlp> yeah, exactly.
2018-07-22T01:05:22 < karlp> there's a bunch of comments on xda developer and miui forums abotu it though. so *shrugs*
2018-07-22T01:06:03 < zyp> seems weird
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2018-07-22T01:11:22 < Laurenceb> muh
2018-07-22T01:11:34 < Laurenceb> muh induction motor driver
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2018-07-22T01:13:38 < cpctr> hi sir
2018-07-22T01:13:52 < cpctr> ty for coming dr b
2018-07-22T01:14:55 < cpctr> have you distributed the latest links to me yet?
2018-07-22T01:17:50 < kakimir> !wz oulu
2018-07-22T01:17:55 < englishbot> [Oulu, Finland] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 19.9°C. Humidity: 92%.
2018-07-22T01:18:04 < Thorn> why do you need hardened steel for smooth rods but not for threaded ones?
2018-07-22T01:20:01 < kakimir> because
2018-07-22T01:20:14 < kakimir> smooth rods are made into axles and shafts?
2018-07-22T01:20:48 < cpctr> are you talkin dirty again
2018-07-22T01:20:53 < kakimir> threaded rods are mean to be cheap and flexible
2018-07-22T01:21:24 < kakimir> and actually strech like a spring
2018-07-22T01:21:45 < kakimir> certainly there is hardened threads too
2018-07-22T01:21:49 < kakimir> in machines etc.
2018-07-22T01:23:29 < Thorn> threaded rods stretch?
2018-07-22T01:24:35 < kakimir> https://static4.motonet.fi/img/3/389272/500/389272.jpg these?
2018-07-22T01:24:59 < kakimir> you can bend them and whatever
2018-07-22T01:25:04 < kakimir> it's pretty elastic
2018-07-22T01:25:30 < cpctr> Elliot Rodger: The Game
2018-07-22T01:25:45 < kakimir> also non-deforming strech will improve locking
2018-07-22T01:26:10 < cpctr> okay
2018-07-22T01:26:14 < kakimir> it's basically a spring pulling bolt down
2018-07-22T01:26:26 < kakimir> so if it rotates a little
2018-07-22T01:26:41 < cpctr> china will go apeshit over it
2018-07-22T01:27:01 < kakimir> *nut
2018-07-22T01:27:04 < kakimir> not bot
2018-07-22T01:27:06 < kakimir> bolt
2018-07-22T01:27:39 < kakimir> but if you have high hardness bolts like in some machine parts like engines or so
2018-07-22T01:27:58 < kakimir> there is usually some improved locking mechanism used
2018-07-22T01:28:18 < kakimir> because just a small rotation will cause bolt to get loose
2018-07-22T01:29:40 < cpctr> good to know
2018-07-22T01:29:48 < cpctr> that'll keep someone in work for the next century
2018-07-22T01:30:42 < kakimir> Thorn: what do you think is happening when you feel bolt or nut tightening?
2018-07-22T01:31:26 < kakimir> the bolt or thread rod is actually streching
2018-07-22T01:32:40 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKwWu2w1gGk nordlock
2018-07-22T01:33:52 < Thorn> well in my case threaded rods are supposed to drive a vertical axis of a 3d printer
2018-07-22T01:34:25 < Laurenceb> wew asshenge shit is actually happening
2018-07-22T01:34:39 < Laurenceb> I should have sent him muh backpack balloon
2018-07-22T01:34:57 < Laurenceb> I thought it was a qanon tier troll
2018-07-22T01:35:17 < kakimir> Thorn: then I recommend hardened ones
2018-07-22T01:35:43 < kakimir> rather have them to shatter instead of deforming on slightest loads
2018-07-22T01:36:02 < kakimir> or bend in shipping
2018-07-22T01:36:41 < cpctr> I NEED SOME FASTENERS
2018-07-22T01:36:51 < cpctr> got any nuts and volts mate?
2018-07-22T01:37:04 < kakimir> ye
2018-07-22T01:37:33 < cpctr> charlie's nuts
2018-07-22T01:37:46 < kakimir> how do you know you thread rod or bolt is not okay anymore - has been deformed
2018-07-22T01:38:37 < kakimir> ave taught that if you butt a nut on it and rotate it with you fingers
2018-07-22T01:38:48 < kakimir> it should go all the way freely
2018-07-22T01:39:07 < cpctr> yes dad
2018-07-22T01:39:11 < kakimir> else it has permanently streched
2018-07-22T01:39:20 < cpctr> i know how not to rape a thread
2018-07-22T01:39:57 < cpctr> gotta replace those cylinder head bolts mate
2018-07-22T01:40:01 < cpctr> don't re use them
2018-07-22T01:40:14 < cpctr> or you're in for a world of pain
2018-07-22T01:40:26 < kakimir> yes
2018-07-22T01:41:07 < cpctr> dont drop ya torque wrench muscles
2018-07-22T01:41:18 < cpctr> especially across the battery terminals
2018-07-22T01:43:59 < Laurenceb> sheet Ecuador president has arrived
2018-07-22T01:44:02 < Laurenceb> shit just got real
2018-07-22T01:44:12 < cpctr> is he going to deliver the tendies to assange
2018-07-22T01:46:44 < cpctr> or maybe a last minute yewtree raid on the embassy 
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2018-07-22T01:48:37 < cpctr> also NEO JIMMY SAVILLE
2018-07-22T01:48:49 < cpctr> take off assange's mask and thats what you see
2018-07-22T01:48:55 < cpctr> just like an old scooby doo cartoon
2018-07-22T02:02:19 < Laurenceb> https://mobile.twitter.com/pomoshire?lang=en
2018-07-22T02:03:04 < Laurenceb> the memes
2018-07-22T02:06:08 < catphish> so here's a weird but hopefully simple motor question: what happens if you run an induction motor at a positive slip but a voltage less than the back emf? this situation seems rarely discussed, since a motor couldn't naturally get into that state
2018-07-22T02:07:04 < Laurenceb> its becomes a generator?
2018-07-22T02:07:45 < catphish> well maybe, i don't know, and i don't have the setup to test right now, so hoped someone might be able to explain
2018-07-22T02:09:15 < catphish> the answer is probably a really inefficient generator
2018-07-22T02:11:45 < Laurenceb> actually it can work quite efficiently
2018-07-22T02:13:03 < kakimir> memes.
2018-07-22T02:13:51 < catphish> Laurenceb: you think?
2018-07-22T02:14:03 < Laurenceb> yes this is well known
2018-07-22T02:14:47 < catphish> well i'm struggling to find any information at all on it :(
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2018-07-22T02:21:47 < cpctr> jesus Laurenceb that page is real?!
2018-07-22T02:22:20 < Laurenceb> >what is a troll
2018-07-22T02:23:47 < Cracki> interaction of magnetic field with coils?
2018-07-22T02:24:15 < Cracki> nice troll twitter there
2018-07-22T02:24:42 < Cracki> heh https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Die8AFlUEAADtH2.jpg
2018-07-22T02:24:48 < cpctr> download a voltage 
2018-07-22T02:24:52 < Cracki> access to whitey is not a human right
2018-07-22T02:25:31 < cpctr> unfortunately in the straya there are more white niggers than other types
2018-07-22T02:26:02 < Cracki> australia counts as white
2018-07-22T02:26:27 -!- tairaeza [~tairaeza@soyuz.whatbox.ca] has quit [Quit: tairaeza]
2018-07-22T02:26:42 < Cracki> south africa isn't really africa either, it's southern Dutchland
2018-07-22T02:26:54 < Cracki> more like france these days but you get my drift
2018-07-22T02:27:15 < Cracki> to think, SA had nukes at one time!
2018-07-22T02:27:29 < Cracki> and now they give whitey a burning tire necklace
2018-07-22T02:44:55 < cpctr> crack cocaine 
2018-07-22T02:44:57 < cpctr> crack
2018-07-22T02:45:19 < cpctr> the new breed of white australian nigger is now on METH which we call 'ice' here
2018-07-22T02:45:47 < cpctr> my career of paying taxes will be to fund putting them in padded cells when their brain is fried
2018-07-22T02:46:18 < cpctr> and the drug dealers will get 2 years in jail \o/
2018-07-22T02:46:30 < cpctr> instead of the indonesian firing squad
2018-07-22T02:53:16 < Laurenceb> muh gui
2018-07-22T02:53:33 < Laurenceb> next week I have to add error messages to user input form
2018-07-22T02:53:37 < Laurenceb> the fun never ends
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2018-07-22T03:37:58 < cpctr> the gui
2018-07-22T03:38:12 < cpctr> i have to altium today
2018-07-22T03:55:51 < Laurenceb> i have to buy a cow suit
2018-07-22T04:17:32 < cpctr> cool
2018-07-22T04:25:10 < Cracki> muh suit
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2018-07-22T04:50:29 < cpctr> muh altium
2018-07-22T04:50:44 < cpctr> ok at least i've started before midday
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2018-07-22T05:12:37 < capacitor> gaynigger gay gay  gay nigga
2018-07-22T05:45:55 < capacitor> https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/inventions/elon-musk-is-a-total-fraud/news-story/f849a58894956424f03e7606a222b9eb
2018-07-22T05:52:41 < Cracki> fake news
2018-07-22T05:52:45 < Cracki> who owns the media?
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2018-07-22T07:03:14 < capacitor> the ngrs
2018-07-22T07:03:44 < capacitor> it's more amusing than anything else to me, the fucking hyperloop what a joke
2018-07-22T07:05:23 < englishman> hello
2018-07-22T07:06:07 < capacitor> hi sir
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2018-07-22T07:19:11 < bitmask> capacitor are you mentally challenged?
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2018-07-22T07:22:25 < capacitor> yes mate
2018-07-22T07:26:24 < capacitor> I'm on an irc pension
2018-07-22T07:26:29 < capacitor> i spend it on drugs
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2018-07-22T16:18:04 < Laurenceb> well imagine my shock https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-44915099
2018-07-22T16:19:14 < capacitor> assange
2018-07-22T16:19:18 < capacitor> the sperge
2018-07-22T16:29:11 < Steffanx> How is the capacitor not empty yet?
2018-07-22T16:29:29 < capacitor> lol
2018-07-22T16:29:56 < capacitor> dielectric absorption 
2018-07-22T16:35:30 < Steffanx> hm
2018-07-22T16:44:36 < Laurenceb> >not being an eestor capacitor
2018-07-22T16:45:11 < Laurenceb> lul eestor still seems to exist
2018-07-22T16:45:25 < capacitor> yeah have they admitted to being bullshit artists yet
2018-07-22T16:45:32 < capacitor> its only been 10+ years
2018-07-22T16:45:45 < Laurenceb> zano should have said their quadcopter was powered by the quantum nrg
2018-07-22T16:47:43 < capacitor> the investor 
2018-07-22T16:48:26 < Laurenceb> tfw I actually thought zano had built a "working" quadcopter for about a week before they finally went bust
2018-07-22T16:48:38 < Laurenceb> I got psyop'd
2018-07-22T16:49:24 < Laurenceb> well actually their videos still dont make sense
2018-07-22T16:49:36 < Laurenceb> maybe it was a crazyfly made to look like a zano
2018-07-22T16:50:34 < capacitor> pure assburgers
2018-07-22T16:50:56 < Laurenceb> talking of which I lost one of my copypasta files :(
2018-07-22T16:51:20 < Laurenceb> now I cant find the Randall Monroe unbirth copypasta
2018-07-22T16:52:23 < capacitor> hmmm
2018-07-22T16:52:47 < Laurenceb> >about how all his car22oons are about his desire to be unborn and climb back into his mum with his laptop
2018-07-22T16:53:21 < capacitor> sounds edgy
2018-07-22T16:55:52 < Laurenceb> FUCK LADS THE GLOBALISTS ARE GOING TO LAUNCH A COUP AGAINST TRUMP AND FREESPEECH
2018-07-22T16:55:52 < invzim> gaah, altium pad exit/enter irritates me to no end
2018-07-22T16:56:05 < Laurenceb> SO BUY SOME FUCKING SUPPLEMENTS!!
2018-07-22T16:56:42 < invzim> it gives me a circle to indicate rule is broken straight away, but will NEVER route the trace in/out in a fashion that is compliant
2018-07-22T16:57:46 < Steffanx> heh, that sucks invzim
2018-07-22T16:58:39 < Thorn> Altium Disaster
2018-07-22T17:00:14 < Steffanx> because it cant or is it really just a case of beacuse it wont?
2018-07-22T17:00:18 < Steffanx> mr invzim?
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2018-07-22T17:05:26 < englishman> tactical whitey
2018-07-22T17:05:38 < Steffanx> lol, the tctw
2018-07-22T17:05:51 < tctw> the best
2018-07-22T17:06:13 < Steffanx> tctworst.
2018-07-22T17:06:25 < tctw> lol
2018-07-22T17:06:46 < englishman> maple syrup company just sent me an order 8x as large as the last one
2018-07-22T17:06:55 < englishman> I guess I handled that PIC situation well
2018-07-22T17:07:24 < Steffanx> can you redo it with stm8 now?
2018-07-22T17:07:56 < englishman> I wouldn't do that, software is fine except for a few bugs
2018-07-22T17:08:04 < tctw> how's stuff?
2018-07-22T17:08:28 < Steffanx> hot and sweaty.
2018-07-22T17:08:32 < Steffanx> there?
2018-07-22T17:08:45 < englishman> And changing to a better and cheaper chip would not help the 5V into 4.2V pin situation
2018-07-22T17:08:48 < tctw> cool & stuff
2018-07-22T17:09:38 < Steffanx> but a proper circuit before the pin would englishman
2018-07-22T17:09:45 < Steffanx> or after.
2018-07-22T17:10:51 < tctw> did somebody say 'after'?
2018-07-22T17:15:38 < Steffanx>  You did.
2018-07-22T17:20:26 < invzim> Steffanx: I think it's just by design
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2018-07-22T20:06:06 < Steffanx> ssht
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2018-07-22T20:16:47 < Steffanx> special project for Laurenceb on thingiverse: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2948680
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2018-07-22T20:41:52 < Cracki> inb4 kickstarter
2018-07-22T20:41:52  * karlp laughs
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2018-07-22T20:44:03 < Cracki> wow a stepper
2018-07-22T20:44:08 < Cracki> why?!?!
2018-07-22T20:45:09 < Cracki> fucking ball bearings, but without the rubber seals
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2018-07-22T20:45:25 < Cracki> and then just plastic axles
2018-07-22T20:47:02 < Thorn> rubber seals?
2018-07-22T20:48:47 < Thorn> to keep dust out or oil in?
2018-07-22T20:49:00 < Cracki> both
2018-07-22T20:49:20 < Cracki> those skate bearings always come with rubber ring seals
2018-07-22T20:49:29 < Cracki> he must have peeled them out to make the fucking balls visible
2018-07-22T20:49:50 < Thorn> what about linear bearings btw, they will collect all the dust from the rods
2018-07-22T20:49:58 < Cracki> that they do.
2018-07-22T20:50:09 < Cracki> some have felt wipers tho
2018-07-22T20:50:09 < aandrew> using a stepper allows him to use the arduino library he's used to
2018-07-22T20:50:14 < Cracki> indeed
2018-07-22T20:50:33 < Cracki> a simple dc motor with gears would have been too sensible
2018-07-22T20:53:28 < Thorn> do linear bearings need any lubrication btw?
2018-07-22T20:53:44 < srk> yes
2018-07-22T20:54:06 < srk> except for plastic ones I guess
2018-07-22T20:54:56 < srk> steppers are easy. if you're doing 3d printing you probably have spares to build stuff like this :)
2018-07-22T20:55:02 < Cracki> linear bearings with balls like lubrication
2018-07-22T20:55:11 < Cracki> linear friction bearings are shit and need not be discussed
2018-07-22T20:55:17 < srk> ^^
2018-07-22T20:56:09 < Cracki> hm well, I know the ultimaker 2 uses friction bearings and it seems to work ok... but they researched that shit and use good parts
2018-07-22T20:56:33 < Cracki> that open sores shit where you buy any rod from the hw store and put a printed plastic sleeve on it and expect it to slide...
2018-07-22T20:57:59 < Thorn> afaik they put these inside https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-LM8UU-Linear-Bushing-8mm-CNC-Linear-Bearings-10pcs-lot/32640055605.html
2018-07-22T21:00:18 < Thorn> looks like they do have balls
2018-07-22T21:00:27 < zyp> they do
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2018-07-22T21:03:27 < Cracki> and people use them on any "smooth enough" rod and they run like shit
2018-07-22T21:03:45 < Cracki> not much spring either, so tolerances are extra important.
2018-07-22T21:04:30 < Cracki> and I'm guessing these balls don't circulate either, so no clue how they're supposed to roll
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2018-07-22T21:06:16 < Cracki> contact between ball and rod is just a tiny point. proper linear rails have grooves where the balls have more surface to work with
2018-07-22T21:07:03 < Thorn> btw I found 'wheels' with ball bearings inside and v-cuts on the outside
2018-07-22T21:07:59 < Thorn> I don't know what to use as a 'rail' for them though
2018-07-22T21:09:01 < Thorn> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10Pcs-Set-3D-Printer-Parts-Mini-Dual-V-Slot-Wheel-Kit-High-Tolerance-For-Precise-V/32827746981.html
2018-07-22T21:09:31 < zyp> they are made for v-slot aluminum extrusion
2018-07-22T21:12:04 < Thorn> hm why bother with hardened smooth rods at all then if I'm going to use that profile anyway
2018-07-22T21:14:26 < Thorn> https://makershopbcn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/V_Slot-20x60-mount-1-510x390.jpg
2018-07-22T21:17:24 < Cracki> alu extrusions
2018-07-22T21:17:53 < Cracki> yes, that's how many people construct their linear rails
2018-07-22T21:18:42 < Cracki> since the wheels have a center groove, you could even run them on the edges of an extrusion
2018-07-22T21:19:41 < Cracki> you will want a way to tighten or load opposite wheels against the rail
2018-07-22T21:19:51 < Cracki> (springload)
2018-07-22T21:20:22 < Thorn> maybe I can find something lighter than 2020 to make a rail for the hotend (x axis?), then I can have the hotend with 2 DOF (x and y) and the bed will move vertically
2018-07-22T21:20:55 < Thorn> does it sound like a plan
2018-07-22T21:21:06 < Cracki> uh
2018-07-22T21:21:11 < Cracki> for a cnc mill perhaps
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2018-07-22T21:21:52 < Cracki> how large is this thing gonna be?
2018-07-22T21:22:57 < Thorn> similar to this but using the upper frame as rails https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2254103
2018-07-22T21:24:17 < zyp> if you want a v-slot corexy design, look at d-bot
2018-07-22T21:24:43 < Cracki> these bushing thingies are ok if you have *smooth* rod
2018-07-22T21:25:02 < Thorn> 300x300x300mm inner size I guess
2018-07-22T21:25:14 < Cracki> but be extra careful about distances between rods. the blocks on either end need to be adjusted perfectly
2018-07-22T21:25:22 < Cracki> "overconstrained"
2018-07-22T21:25:36 < Cracki> but that's a concern for other linear rails too
2018-07-22T21:26:04 < Thorn> the thing is I don't have a printer to print parts for my printer so I'll have to assemble it in a temporary fashion first
2018-07-22T21:26:14 < Thorn> so it makes sense to not rely on too many printed parts
2018-07-22T21:26:46 < Thorn> and linear rods require a lot of them
2018-07-22T21:27:50 < Cracki> mounting steppers on plastic is a bad idea... steppers get warm/hot depending on coil current and plastic will start to become soft at some temperature
2018-07-22T21:28:02 < Thorn> d-bot looks pretty cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXuPmExg5L8
2018-07-22T21:29:58 < Thorn> but I'm going to use ready made brackets to assemble the frame (at least)
2018-07-22T21:31:28 < Thorn> are they using 6 motors in total?
2018-07-22T21:32:28 < Thorn> (anyway I already ordered 5 motors + extruder with a motor)
2018-07-22T21:32:45 < zyp> how do you get to six?
2018-07-22T21:33:11 < zyp> x/y is two, two z leadscrews are another two, single extruder is one
2018-07-22T21:33:13 < zyp> that's five
2018-07-22T21:33:32 < Steffanx> that d-bot looks pretty wobbly or is that just me, Thorn?
2018-07-22T21:33:46 < Rickta59> hehe .. ##stm32cnc
2018-07-22T21:33:54 < Cracki> extrusions connected using plastic, sure it's wobbly
2018-07-22T21:33:56 < zyp> Steffanx, handheld camera doesn't help
2018-07-22T21:34:04 < Cracki> no diagonal struts/wire
2018-07-22T21:34:39 < Thorn> yeah it's asking for diagonal elements
2018-07-22T21:34:42 < Cracki> connections for alu extrusion are cheap to buy
2018-07-22T21:35:05 < Thorn> zyp: 2 motors for z and 2 to move the extruder rail (is it y?)
2018-07-22T21:35:27 < Thorn> forward/backward
2018-07-22T21:35:54 < zyp> no, you don't understand corexy
2018-07-22T21:36:03 < zyp> x/y is two motors in total
2018-07-22T21:36:21 < zyp> one drives x+y, the other drives x-y, together they define both x and y
2018-07-22T21:36:29 < Cracki> they're physically connected such that spinning one moves +x+y, spinning the other moves +x-y
2018-07-22T21:37:16 < Cracki> it's a bit funky... there is no direction where a single motor spins and a single axis moves
2018-07-22T21:37:45 < Thorn> oh ok need to read about that
2018-07-22T21:37:50 < zyp> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Bahaa_Shaqour/publication/317974747/figure/fig7/AS:512348777005062@1499164875684/Movement-analysis-in-the-CoreXY-mechanism.jpg
2018-07-22T21:38:02 < Cracki> wew researchgate
2018-07-22T21:38:10 < zyp> blame google image search
2018-07-22T21:38:35 < Cracki> the motion is related to omniwheels
2018-07-22T21:38:43 < Thorn> is the idea to drive both axes from both sides using only 2 motors?
2018-07-22T21:38:57 < zyp> the point is that both motors are stationary
2018-07-22T21:38:57 < Cracki> yes of course
2018-07-22T21:39:03 < zyp> you don't need to move around any motors
2018-07-22T21:39:06 < Cracki> belts translate everything
2018-07-22T21:41:00 < Thorn> I wonder what my theoretical mechanics prof would say if he was shown this and asked to explain how it works lol
2018-07-22T21:43:05 < Cracki> that's probably beneath him
2018-07-22T21:43:12 < Cracki> it's just rope and pulleys
2018-07-22T21:43:41 < Thorn> I don't remember anything useful from his classes
2018-07-22T21:43:55 < Thorn> that is a lot of pulleys (and belt) btw
2018-07-22T21:49:04 < Thorn> and when the hotend moves in both directions at once there is only one motor running
2018-07-22T21:50:00 < englishman> lol Steffanx 
2018-07-22T21:50:09 < englishman> my pal just used a servo arm and servo tester
2018-07-22T21:50:16 < englishman> to slush around his developer when he was doing pcbs
2018-07-22T21:50:27 < englishman> no need to waste 3kg of filament like a make:r
2018-07-22T21:52:20 < Steffanx> not sure why that is lol Steffanx englishman
2018-07-22T21:52:28 < Steffanx> lol you pal, doing pcbs :P
2018-07-22T21:52:42 < englishman> Steffanx>	special project for Laurenceb on thingiverse: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2948680
2018-07-22T21:52:46 < Steffanx> ah
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2018-07-22T21:53:21 < englishman> well before $10 pcbs
2018-07-22T21:53:32 < englishman> he was doing toner transfer
2018-07-22T21:53:48 < BrainDamage> I used to use an aquarium pump
2018-07-22T21:54:35 < Steffanx> same.
2018-07-22T21:54:40 < catphish> is there anyone out there who really knows induction motors that i can talk to, this project is lonely!
2018-07-22T21:54:45 < Steffanx> an aquarium heater
2018-07-22T21:55:04 < Steffanx> and an
2018-07-22T21:57:08 < Thorn> and a fish tank?
2018-07-22T21:57:33 < BrainDamage> no, i used a vertical plastic container
2018-07-22T21:57:39 < BrainDamage> fish tanks are too big
2018-07-22T21:57:48 < Thorn> quality trolling https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/386645/saving-data-without-a-microcontroller
2018-07-22T21:58:48 < BrainDamage> he can use a scrolling paper printer
2018-07-22T21:58:53 < BrainDamage> like a seismograph
2018-07-22T21:59:00 < englishman> noone knows what induction motors are
2018-07-22T21:59:08 < englishman> power electronics dont exist
2018-07-22T21:59:30 < Cracki> he's asking for a ccd or something. its readout consists of shifting charges around
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2018-07-22T22:18:21 < Steffanx> lol smoothieboard v2 has been a thing since 2016, expected release in 2017. Nothing about it it 2018. Good job.
2018-07-22T22:18:47 < englishman> are the clones out yet
2018-07-22T22:19:04 < englishman> 24% of Tesla Model 3 orders have been canceled
2018-07-22T22:19:10 < Steffanx> lolwut?
2018-07-22T22:19:22 < zyp> isn't that expected and natural?
2018-07-22T22:20:00 < englishman> i kind of expected higher
2018-07-22T22:20:07 < englishman> but i guess you can cancel whenever
2018-07-22T22:20:11 < englishman> so that could still climb
2018-07-22T22:20:38 < vampi-the-frog> I hate cars
2018-07-22T22:20:48 < vampi-the-frog> but if I were to drive one, and afford one, it would be a tesla
2018-07-22T22:20:51 < vampi-the-frog> or at least a hybrid
2018-07-22T22:20:56 < vampi-the-frog> because I'm an environmental faggot
2018-07-22T22:20:56 < zyp> I mean, you're not really talking orders, but waiting list reservations, i.e. a place in line
2018-07-22T22:21:24 < zyp> when you get to the front of the line, you need to decide whether to buy it or get out of line
2018-07-22T22:21:32 < zyp> and naturally a lot of people do the latter
2018-07-22T22:23:10 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/m_cGuire/status/1017875345284923392
2018-07-22T22:24:50 < Cracki> media coverage of musk and tesla is strikingly similar to media coverage of trump
2018-07-22T22:25:08 < Cracki> "any day now he'll be bankrupt/impeached!"
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2018-07-22T22:29:37 < capacitor> The latest altium
2018-07-22T22:30:59 < Steffanx> you mean: bladielbablabla, Cracki
2018-07-22T22:31:19 < Cracki> que?
2018-07-22T22:31:35 < Steffanx> all the media crap. 
2018-07-22T22:31:42 < Steffanx> "bladieblablabla"
2018-07-22T22:31:45 < Cracki> who *owns* the media? hello.
2018-07-22T22:31:48 < Steffanx> that's all i read.
2018-07-22T22:31:59 < Thorn> is there a difference between bare vs. anodized aluminium other than looks
2018-07-22T22:32:09 < Steffanx> leftwing ofcourse Cracki
2018-07-22T22:32:11 < BrainDamage> absolutely
2018-07-22T22:32:12 < Thorn> non-anodized profile is cheaper
2018-07-22T22:32:12 < Cracki> surface hardness, I think
2018-07-22T22:32:28 < BrainDamage> anodized is much harder, and more resistant to chemical attacks
2018-07-22T22:32:39 < BrainDamage> also, paint won't stick to non-anodlized
2018-07-22T22:32:44 < Cracki> Steffanx, you need another redpill. look up who were the foreign "helpers" to Mao
2018-07-22T22:32:50 < Thorn> my last name is not Skripal
2018-07-22T22:33:31 < Steffanx> do i really want to know/care Cracki?
2018-07-22T22:33:36 < Cracki> :P
2018-07-22T22:33:48 < Cracki> knowledge is a burden.
2018-07-22T22:34:35 < Steffanx> Yes, because i'll remember all this useless info
2018-07-22T22:34:47 < Cracki> it'll tell you who's behind leftism
2018-07-22T22:34:56 < Steffanx> im an expert in remembering useless crap
2018-07-22T22:35:13 < Steffanx> like all this leftwing crap you complained about months ago
2018-07-22T22:35:24 < Cracki> then you remember more than I do
2018-07-22T22:35:32 < Steffanx> see
2018-07-22T22:50:06 < Steffanx> With all this talk about corexy printers im tempted to make my own too. not the firmware though.
2018-07-22T22:50:14 < Steffanx> zyp better hurries up with that
2018-07-22T22:52:13 < Cracki> "hurry up!" *shakes belt*
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2018-07-22T22:58:26 < Steffanx> does mr Cracki even owns a 3d printer himself?
2018-07-22T22:59:17 < Cracki> no need, I essentially owning one for over a year
2018-07-22T22:59:30 < Cracki> for nothing but upkeep
2018-07-22T22:59:48 < BrainDamage> your girlfriend?
2018-07-22T22:59:52 < Cracki> and from the usual parts you can make not just 3d printers
2018-07-22T23:00:00 < Cracki> yuck!
2018-07-22T23:00:53 < Cracki> owning a girl "friend" is too much trouble
2018-07-22T23:01:14 < Steffanx> You do no own one, but essentially own one?
2018-07-22T23:01:17 < Cracki> I'd only ever consider it if I were getting paid for it
2018-07-22T23:01:42 < Steffanx> tpw_rules was looking for a boyfriend in germany. you can give that a try.
2018-07-22T23:02:02 < Steffanx> ^more of the useless crap i remember
2018-07-22T23:02:06 < Cracki> :>
2018-07-22T23:02:58 < BrainDamage> for residence permission reasons?
2018-07-22T23:03:01 < Cracki> when people buy a 3d printer but can't be assed to understand it, someone like me comes along and "adopts" it
2018-07-22T23:04:40 < Steffanx> hah
2018-07-22T23:05:24 < capacitor> Hi sir
2018-07-22T23:06:02 < Cracki> ceramic or electrolytic?
2018-07-22T23:07:02 < capacitor> Glass
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2018-07-22T23:26:44 < Steffanx> The glass broke
2018-07-22T23:29:45 < zyp> Steffanx, firmware works-ish
2018-07-22T23:29:55 < zyp> question is hardware
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2018-07-22T23:32:31 < Steffanx> Why is it all tarduino based.
2018-07-22T23:32:54 < Thorn> mine won't be
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2018-07-22T23:33:38 < Steffanx> Even when its not avr its still arduino due based
2018-07-22T23:34:20 < Steffanx> And something newer than the smoothieboard would be nice
2018-07-22T23:35:20 < zyp> Thorn, so, what are you planning?
2018-07-22T23:35:38 < Thorn> well
2018-07-22T23:36:01 < Thorn> (1) I need to find a source of those trinamic drivers for an acceptable price
2018-07-22T23:36:30 < Thorn> (2) main board + individual motor control boards
2018-07-22T23:37:35 < Thorn> (3) I'd really like completely standalone capability, no PC, no rpi or anything required (for stage 1, path planning can be done in advance on PC and downloaded to the printer)
2018-07-22T23:38:07 < Thorn> (4) usb, ethernet, wi-fi, serial, maybe even ble but probably not very useful
2018-07-22T23:39:13 < zyp> can you elaborate on point 2?
2018-07-22T23:39:27 < Thorn> (5) lcd, lots of buttons and leds everywhere lol, sd card of course 
2018-07-22T23:39:46 < Thorn> µSD
2018-07-22T23:41:00 < zyp> microcontroller that reads SD and does everything standalone sounds like a fairly standard design
2018-07-22T23:41:38 < zyp> marlin, smoothieboard, duet, they all can do that
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2018-07-22T23:42:54 < Cracki> "trinamic" and 'acceptable price" are mutually exclusive
2018-07-22T23:43:10 < Thorn> individual boards for motors, sensor inputs, pwm for heaters, etc. (in some combination, e.g. one board that has everything required for a hotend + extruder if it's a direct one), with slave MCUs on them of course and an interface bus
2018-07-22T23:43:11 < zyp> depends what you consider acceptable
2018-07-22T23:43:14 < Cracki> there are stepper driver boards using a 2130 (watterott) for 10 bucks a piece
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2018-07-22T23:43:52 < zyp> Thorn, why master/slave design?
2018-07-22T23:46:22 < Thorn> it doesn't have to be master/slave in terms of the network in case of e.g. CAN but otherwise it's natural, the main MCU will have the data file and user input and will schedule and send out commands
2018-07-22T23:48:19 < zyp> so any board can take the master role?
2018-07-22T23:48:32 < zyp> or will you have a specific main board with the SD socket and stuff?
2018-07-22T23:50:16 < Thorn> I'm assuming there will be a main 'coordinator' board. the SD socket may be located on the UI board for example
2018-07-22T23:51:13 < Cracki> people primarily ask you because they question the wisdom of the approach
2018-07-22T23:51:27 < Thorn> the UI board may be able to command e.g. emergency stop without asking the coordinator to do that
2018-07-22T23:51:31 < Cracki> multiple firmwares and having communication to parse
2018-07-22T23:53:51 < zyp> Thorn, sounds like you're contradicting yourself a bit, focusing on both independent operation and a distributed architecture
2018-07-22T23:54:12 < Thorn> Cracki: there was a multi-board approach discussed here recently iirc, wasn't originally my idea
2018-07-22T23:54:48 < Cracki> it has downsides, so you need to be clear on what upsides you see, or why you "must" choose
2018-07-22T23:55:30 < Cracki> otherwise just say you want to do it like that and don't answer
2018-07-22T23:55:46 < Cracki> doing something for the hell of it is an acceptable reason
2018-07-22T23:55:55 < Steffanx> "because i can"
2018-07-22T23:56:01 < Steffanx> <3
2018-07-22T23:56:13 < Cracki> we'll see about the "can", but the "want" is good enough
2018-07-22T23:56:23 < zyp> :)
2018-07-22T23:56:34 < Cracki> freedoms need to be exercised.
2018-07-22T23:56:36 < Steffanx> *CAN
2018-07-22T23:57:00  * Cracki gets a leaf blower
2018-07-22T23:57:28 < zyp> Thorn, in my experience, people are gonna want to run octoprint or similar to get a ui for their printer
2018-07-22T23:58:11 < zyp> putting octoprint on a linux board is already a solved problem, so instead of making a shitty replacement for that, I'm incorporating it into the design
2018-07-22T23:59:15 < zyp> once I have the linux board, I might as well put motion precalc on that
2018-07-22T23:59:45 < zyp> once I've decided to do that, I might as well just make every mcu board be a usb device, that way they won't depend on each other
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2018-07-23T00:00:43 < zyp> although I'm planning to make a custom standard for 12/24V and usb in a single plug to simplify cabling, so either way I'd need some sort of central hub
2018-07-23T00:03:03 < zyp> my working plan is a base board with a slot for a linux board, a mcu, enough stepper channels and other IO for all the stuff mounted on the unmoving part of the frame, heatbed drivers and a usb hub with connectors for the other boards
2018-07-23T00:04:03 < zyp> but before that, I might make a simple standalone hub board
2018-07-23T00:06:04 < Thorn> btw I found a funny bug report in the marlin github, people were outraged by a change in an error message that it prints over the serial interface
2018-07-23T00:06:41 < Thorn> so I assume software like simplify3d, octoprint etc. has to parse those messages to communicate with the printer?
2018-07-23T00:07:19 < zyp> yeah
2018-07-23T00:07:28 < zyp> comms seems to mostly be one-way though
2018-07-23T00:07:33 < zyp> firmware just acks
2018-07-23T00:07:35 < Thorn> and if you write printer firmware you'd have to emulate those messages from some existing firmware, spelling errors and all?
2018-07-23T00:08:04 < zyp> I haven't found any good documentation on how to reply anything other than acking, so my code is based on guesswork
2018-07-23T00:08:11 < zyp> doesn't work so well
2018-07-23T00:09:02 < zyp> octoprint seems like it mostly ignores unexpected replies and sits waiting until it times out waiting for a reply
2018-07-23T00:09:21 < Thorn> I've seen some kind of real time dashboard in simplify3d (screenshots only at this stage)
2018-07-23T00:09:34 < zyp> octoprint does that
2018-07-23T00:09:35 < Thorn> it has positions, temperatures etc.
2018-07-23T00:09:47 < zyp> octoprint does a live gcode preview
2018-07-23T00:09:56 < zyp> showing all the line segments it has sent
2018-07-23T00:09:59 < zyp> it's pretty neat
2018-07-23T00:11:00 < Thorn> https://www.simplify3d.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/machine-control-panel.png
2018-07-23T00:11:29 < zyp> ah
2018-07-23T00:11:55 < Thorn> it has to receive all that data from the printer in near real time somehow so there is some kind of protocol whether it's designed or 'evolved naturally'
2018-07-23T00:12:01 < zyp> https://octoprint.org/assets/img/features/temperature-tab.png
2018-07-23T00:12:01 < zyp> https://octoprint.org/assets/img/features/gcodeviewer-tab.png
2018-07-23T00:12:19 < zyp> yeah
2018-07-23T00:12:27 < zyp> I've implemented «get temperature»
2018-07-23T00:13:16 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/DkFmW
2018-07-23T00:14:01 < zyp> I assume «get position» is similar
2018-07-23T00:14:32 < zyp> but I suspect it doesn't query position, just keeps track of where it told the printer to go
2018-07-23T00:15:44 < Thorn> ok so at least the request is G-code
2018-07-23T00:16:10 < zyp> yeah
2018-07-23T00:16:35 < zyp> commands are easy enough to figure out, it's the responses that are underdocumented
2018-07-23T00:18:13 < Thorn> so you want to rely on libusb on the pi for all the real time control stuff? :)
2018-07-23T00:19:14 < zyp> no, I've designed the protocol to be as latency insensitive as possible
2018-07-23T00:20:20 < Thorn> does it involve command queues in every MCU?
2018-07-23T00:20:46 < zyp> let's consider the single MCU approach first
2018-07-23T00:23:30 < zyp> my gcode server bundles up consecutive G1 codes, these are passed off to the motion code to calculate a motion block
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2018-07-23T00:23:54 < zyp> a motion block always starts and ends at v=0
2018-07-23T00:24:54 < zyp> so the latency between blocks doesn't matter
2018-07-23T00:24:54 < zyp> and I send a motion block in full before I start executing it
2018-07-23T00:25:55 < zyp> expanding this to multiple mcus, I extract the relevant axes for each mcu before I send the block
2018-07-23T00:26:21 < zyp> and the only additional change is that they have to start executing at the same time
2018-07-23T00:26:47 < zyp> I'm planning to do this by telling them to start at a given usb frame number, from the SOF tokens
2018-07-23T00:27:08 < emeryth> zyp: do you know this exists? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PoweredUSB
2018-07-23T00:27:57 < karlp> are the connectors readily available?
2018-07-23T00:28:03 < zyp> emeryth, I had a laptop with something similar once
2018-07-23T00:28:06 < Thorn> >IBM, who owns patents to PoweredUSB,[3][4] charges a licensing fee for its use.[5]
2018-07-23T00:28:11 < karlp> cos those things are designed for dual compat,
2018-07-23T00:28:18 < zyp> but either way, it doesn't look very relevant
2018-07-23T00:28:20 < karlp> zyp can just use any connector with enough pins
2018-07-23T00:28:30 < karlp> way cheaper, more pluggable, no need for garbage also compat
2018-07-23T00:28:43 < zyp> karlp, exactly
2018-07-23T00:29:39 < zyp> the only relatively common standard for high power over USB would be USB-PD over type-C, and it's not suitable
2018-07-23T00:30:05 < karlp> well, usb-pd is defined for usb2 and 3, but good luck finding cables that will do it properly .)
2018-07-23T00:30:26 < zyp> that's why I said common
2018-07-23T00:30:44 < capacitor> good mornings
2018-07-23T00:31:04 < Thorn> off the shelf cables will probably end up being too long btw
2018-07-23T00:31:24 < zyp> what cables?
2018-07-23T00:31:43 < Thorn> in this case USB
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2018-07-23T00:31:55 < Thorn> (if you use standard connectors)
2018-07-23T00:32:02 < zyp> off the shelf USB cables exists in any length
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2018-07-23T00:35:23 < capacitor> I'm going to install a java update
2018-07-23T00:36:14 < Cracki> lel dude asks "tomorrow's the exam, where's room 303?" lecture and exercise has been in that room all semester
2018-07-23T00:37:06 < zyp> better to ask an extra time and look stupid than trying to find the room last minute
2018-07-23T00:38:18 < Cracki> what's this talk of usb pd? wanting to power a 3d printer from usb?
2018-07-23T00:38:45 < Cracki> why use non-realtime protocols to distribute timing?
2018-07-23T00:41:38 < capacitor> yes
2018-07-23T00:41:49 < capacitor> usb pig disgusting
2018-07-23T00:41:50 < Thorn> what is the likelihood of a usb device skipping a SOF in this situation btw?
2018-07-23T00:42:17 < Thorn> compared to e.g. failing to receive a CAN frame @ 10Kbps
2018-07-23T00:44:00 < Thorn> (otherwise I assume a SOF is equivalent to a broadcast CAN frame in terms of latency)
2018-07-23T00:44:25 < Thorn> or even better because of higher bus rate
2018-07-23T00:45:59 < Cracki> well CAN transceivers are a lot simpler than USB
2018-07-23T00:46:39 < Cracki> it's virtually guaranteed that the digital logic behind a can transceiver gets a receive interrupt as soon as something has been received, and with reliable timing
2018-07-23T00:46:43 < Cracki> USB... who knows
2018-07-23T00:46:57 < Cracki> it might work
2018-07-23T00:47:00 < zyp> SOF frames are sent at 1kHz, so even if one is missed, the next will arrive in another ms
2018-07-23T00:47:27 < capacitor> hmm
2018-07-23T00:47:27 < Cracki> true true, 1 ms at 100mm/s is 0.1mm
2018-07-23T00:47:35 < zyp> and I don't need to look at the frames themself, I can just synchronize internally against SOF
2018-07-23T00:47:59 < Cracki> these are considerations you need to make
2018-07-23T00:48:10 < zyp> I have
2018-07-23T00:50:26 < Cracki> in any case, interesting to observe :)
2018-07-23T00:51:49 < zyp> anyway, the main latency challenge with a distributed system are endstops
2018-07-23T00:52:12 < zyp> if the endstop is on one device and the motor is on another, usb latency would be unacceptable
2018-07-23T00:52:16 < zyp> (probably)
2018-07-23T00:54:00 < zyp> I could get around that by just capturing the time of the endstop event accurately and compensating afterwards, but that would require a mechanical design that allows moving past the endstop a little bit
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2018-07-23T00:54:24 < zyp> and I don't like that, so I'm planning to add a shared IRQ line between the devices
2018-07-23T00:54:51 < zyp> which means I could use that to synchronize start also
2018-07-23T00:55:25 < zyp> I might test both approaches
2018-07-23T00:56:10 < zyp> the advantage of the latter is that it might be faster, since I don't have to add a latency margin to the «start at time X» commands
2018-07-23T00:57:18 < kakimir> anyone know nmea 0183?
2018-07-23T00:57:45 < zyp> the gps protocol?
2018-07-23T00:58:31 < Cracki> wait, so 0.1mm per millisecond is good enough to synchronize motion, but not synchronize stopping?
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2018-07-23T00:59:03 < kakimir> NMEA 0183 is a combined electrical and data specification for communication between marine electronics such as echo sounder, sonars, anemometer, gyrocompass, autopilot, GPS receivers and many other types of instruments.
2018-07-23T00:59:26 < Cracki> srs q? that's what gps modules speak, it's text
2018-07-23T00:59:54 < zyp> yeah, that's just $$$ASCII,BLAH
2018-07-23T01:00:11 < kakimir> yes
2018-07-23T01:00:22 < zyp> Cracki, synchronizing stopping is a different problem
2018-07-23T01:00:27 < Cracki> how?
2018-07-23T01:00:50 < Cracki> ah right usb isn't multi-master, so the master would have to poll
2018-07-23T01:00:57 < zyp> yes
2018-07-23T01:01:02 < Cracki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2018-07-23T01:01:16 < Cracki> so you get 2 ms or something
2018-07-23T01:01:17 < zyp> starting is commanded by master, so it just has to tell everybody to start at a given time
2018-07-23T01:01:25 < Cracki> mice get polled at 125-1000 hz
2018-07-23T01:01:42 < zyp> stopping is signalled by one device and performed by another, or so
2018-07-23T01:01:51 < Cracki> imho endstops should be completely electrical
2018-07-23T01:02:45 < Thorn> I like my CAN idea even more
2018-07-23T01:02:57 < zyp> Cracki, how? cutting power to the stepper driver? :p
2018-07-23T01:03:05 < Cracki> :P
2018-07-23T01:03:17 < Cracki> that's an end STOP
2018-07-23T01:03:36 < Cracki> braking, well, ...
2018-07-23T01:04:53 < zyp> the safety aspect of endstops isn't really that interesting, if the construction is sane you won't damage anything by running into an edge anyway
2018-07-23T01:06:02 < Cracki> that is true. steppers needn't be driven at full current anyway.
2018-07-23T01:06:03 < zyp> the point of endstops is homing, i.e. finding the absolute position of the head relative to the print surface
2018-07-23T01:06:31 < zyp> which is why they are usually only implemented on one side of each axis
2018-07-23T01:06:37 < Lux> zyp: you've seen the klipper project ?
2018-07-23T01:06:49 < Lux> https://github.com/KevinOConnor/klipper
2018-07-23T01:06:51 < zyp> yes, it's similar to what I want to do
2018-07-23T01:07:21 < Lux> yeah, I'm using it on my printer atm, works well
2018-07-23T01:07:59 < aandrew> yet another 3d printer firmware?
2018-07-23T01:08:07 < zyp> it has a little bit different approach since it targets generic existing hardware, rather than purpose-built hardware
2018-07-23T01:09:00 < zyp> e.g. protocol is serial, synchronization of multiple slaves consists of master keeping track of each slave's clock and precompensating
2018-07-23T01:09:29 < aandrew> why though
2018-07-23T01:09:30 < Lux> and it has a 30 sec buffer to compensate for soft realtime
2018-07-23T01:09:34 < aandrew> why the added complexity
2018-07-23T01:09:53 < zyp> aandrew, vs what?
2018-07-23T01:10:11 < aandrew> vs the existing firmwares
2018-07-23T01:10:15 < Lux> so you can do all the motion stuff in python it gets better performance on old mcus
2018-07-23T01:10:46 < Lux> you can do more complex motion processing and get higher step rates
2018-07-23T01:10:49 < zyp> aandrew, like Lux say, it's faster
2018-07-23T01:11:14 < Lux> they even did a branch with s-curve accel
2018-07-23T01:11:19 < zyp> klipper targets stuff like avr-based boards, and taking all the computation away from them lets everything go faster
2018-07-23T01:11:36 < Lux> but dunno how much improvement that'll actually give
2018-07-23T01:11:54 < Lux> should give it a try at some point
2018-07-23T01:12:58 < kakimir> zyp: there is one talker device
2018-07-23T01:13:02 < zyp> probably not much, I don't think centripetal acceleration in S-curves is that significant in 3d printers, compared to all the other accelerations they are subject to
2018-07-23T01:13:05 < kakimir> and one or multiple listeners
2018-07-23T01:13:14 < kakimir> why there is 2 direction communication?
2018-07-23T01:13:38 < kakimir> rx and tx
2018-07-23T01:14:03 < zyp> IIRC you can query stuff
2018-07-23T01:14:11 < zyp> or set settings
2018-07-23T01:14:14 < kakimir> then
2018-07-23T01:14:28 < kakimir> collisions
2018-07-23T01:14:37 < kakimir> multiple drivers
2018-07-23T01:14:46 < kakimir> how
2018-07-23T01:14:49 < zyp> idk, read the protocol specs
2018-07-23T01:14:56 < kakimir> yeah
2018-07-23T01:14:59 < kakimir> not public
2018-07-23T01:16:37 < Thorn> this Klipper doesn't seem to use hardware PWM on either lpc or stm32
2018-07-23T01:16:53 < zyp> why would it?
2018-07-23T01:16:53 < Cracki> zyp, what is your understanding of "S-curve"? a curve in x-y, or an S-shaped speed curve?
2018-07-23T01:17:48 < zyp> an s-shaped path through space
2018-07-23T01:18:23 < Cracki> why would anyone consider that a worthwhile special case to optimize?
2018-07-23T01:18:56 < Cracki> the only time I have heard about s-curves is when people talk about acceleration profiles
2018-07-23T01:19:02 < zyp> I'm not talking about optimization, I'm talking about handling jerk correctly
2018-07-23T01:20:05 < aandrew> I think it's hilarious that you need to offload that on to a PC running python
2018-07-23T01:20:16 < zyp> when a tool is going through an S-curve, you have a reversal of the centripetal acceleration in the middle resulting in a large jerk even though the path looks smooth
2018-07-23T01:20:17 < aandrew> that AVR should be able to handle s-curve without any difficulty on 3 axes
2018-07-23T01:20:33 < cpctr> Whip out your python
2018-07-23T01:20:39 < Cracki> I am convinced when people talk about s-curves, they do not mean x-y motion
2018-07-23T01:20:53 < aandrew> I see how using python would make it *easier* to develop but necessary for speed? I find that very, very hard to believe
2018-07-23T01:21:07 < Cracki> it's not python, it's using a host computer
2018-07-23T01:21:15 < aandrew> s curves are only really useful for movement not so much for plotting I don't think
2018-07-23T01:21:20 < aandrew> would need some interesting math to coordinate
2018-07-23T01:21:25 < zyp> Cracki, could be, I need more context to tell
2018-07-23T01:21:25 < Lux> it's all about making it easier
2018-07-23T01:21:34 < Cracki> https://github.com/KevinOConnor/klipper/issues/57
2018-07-23T01:22:11 < Cracki> trapezoidal speed profile means limited acceleration, but unlimited jerk. the *correct* meaning of jerk.
2018-07-23T01:22:18 < Cracki> that's however completely irrelevant to 3d printing.
2018-07-23T01:22:23 < Cracki> the "jerk" people talk about is a misnomer.
2018-07-23T01:22:40 < zyp> I'm also using jerk in the correct physics term
2018-07-23T01:22:55 < Lux> also there is some stuff written in c too on the host side
2018-07-23T01:23:27 < zyp> and yes, trapezoidal speed means constant acceleration steps, which means unlimited jerk
2018-07-23T01:23:37 < Lux> jerk is just the derivative of the acceleration iirc
2018-07-23T01:23:45 < zyp> yes
2018-07-23T01:24:07 < Cracki> when the g-code tells the printer to move into a point at some angle and out of it at another, you would smooth that out digitally instead of just slowing down and letting physics deal with it?
2018-07-23T01:25:01 < Lux> Cracki: see https://github.com/KevinOConnor/klipper/blob/master/docs/Kinematics.md
2018-07-23T01:25:05 < kakimir> nmea is used in airplanes too
2018-07-23T01:25:23 < kakimir> I'm planning my own baro + airspeed meter
2018-07-23T01:25:38 < Lux> that explanation is pretty good to understand how that can be handled
2018-07-23T01:25:39 < Thorn> Cracki: I've seen a hackaday talk where they interpolated all angles by curve segments iirc
2018-07-23T01:25:42 < Cracki> Lux, what in particular do I pay attention to?
2018-07-23T01:25:44 < Thorn> let me find it
2018-07-23T01:26:08 < Lux> Cracki: the whole lookahead stuff
2018-07-23T01:26:23 < Cracki> *that* is just limiting max speed for such movements
2018-07-23T01:26:40 < zyp> Lux, my firmware does all that already except smoothed look-ahead and pressure advance
2018-07-23T01:26:46 < Cracki> and halves the jerk because instead of a peak, you get two half peaks
2018-07-23T01:27:02 < Lux> it also handles your case pretty much
2018-07-23T01:27:13 < Cracki> (from +a to -a on the one hand, +a to 0 to -a on the other)
2018-07-23T01:27:16 < Cracki> uh
2018-07-23T01:27:17 < Cracki> no
2018-07-23T01:27:26 < Cracki> when you move along a rectangle
2018-07-23T01:27:27 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/fQcRxt9qlIY?t=12m53s
2018-07-23T01:27:32 < Lux> yeah
2018-07-23T01:27:42 < Cracki> the corners force you to decelerate to 0 in one dimension
2018-07-23T01:27:51 < Lux> there is even a nice picture ;)
2018-07-23T01:28:14 < Cracki> corner rounding, i see
2018-07-23T01:28:48 < zyp> klipper does the same corner speed trick as grbl and every other 3d printer firmware
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2018-07-23T01:28:54 < Laurenceb> hi class it's your new teacher Jordan Peterson
2018-07-23T01:28:56 < zyp> I referenced the code when I wrote my own
2018-07-23T01:29:04 < Laurenceb> it's tiem to hand in group assignment
2018-07-23T01:29:15 < zyp> ref. https://onehossshay.wordpress.com/2011/09/24/improving_grbl_cornering_algorithm/
2018-07-23T01:29:27 < Laurenceb> anyone caught handing in work will be failed because working as a group is communism
2018-07-23T01:29:44 < cpctr> hi dr
2018-07-23T01:30:16 < Laurenceb> in todays lesson u will lurn 2 clean ur room
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2018-07-23T01:30:57 < Cracki> clean your class room
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2018-07-23T01:33:51 < kakimir> I'm so fucking millenial
2018-07-23T01:34:04 < kakimir> fuck
2018-07-23T01:37:38 < kakimir> and a mediocre coder
2018-07-23T01:38:01 < Laurenceb> >oh shit im a millenial
2018-07-23T01:38:03 < Laurenceb> my sides
2018-07-23T01:39:23 < kakimir> when I woke up in my grandmothers basement at age of 27 I started realizing it
2018-07-23T01:39:36 < Cracki> gen z ftw, they know how to fumigate flea-infested clothes
2018-07-23T01:40:37 < cpctr> millennium bong
2018-07-23T01:40:59 < Cracki> millenium falcon, but for smoking weed
2018-07-23T01:41:31 < kakimir> my vision is lost
2018-07-23T01:41:47 < cpctr> stoned for 1000 years
2018-07-23T01:41:55 < Cracki> fapping makes you blind, boy!
2018-07-23T01:42:20 < cpctr> then why is my dad dead?
2018-07-23T01:50:16 < Laurenceb> oh wow
2018-07-23T01:50:27 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/c5decca5ed/126823.png
2018-07-23T01:53:35 < Thorn> TIL the word obdurate
2018-07-23T01:53:48 < Thorn> but I need usage examples or I'll forget it soon anyway
2018-07-23T01:54:01 < Thorn> can I say that Laurenceb's shitposting is obdurate?
2018-07-23T01:56:49 < Laurenceb> I'm in jail anyways
2018-07-23T01:57:08 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/c5decca5ed/126825.jpg
2018-07-23T01:58:22 < Cracki> >tribe
2018-07-23T01:58:25 < Cracki> love it
2018-07-23T02:00:57 < cpctr> Next stop green town
2018-07-23T02:02:00 < Thorn> so is the goal to make the velocity graph continuous piecewise linear and acceleration graph discontinuous (made of vertical & horizontal lines)? (2 slides @ https://youtu.be/fQcRxt9qlIY?t=21m39s )
2018-07-23T02:05:13 < zyp> shouldn't be too hard to add something like that to my firmware
2018-07-23T02:05:29 < zyp> but I don't think it would have much benefit
2018-07-23T02:05:52 < cpctr> Green town
2018-07-23T02:07:00 < Cracki> cpctr, your whois is showing ;)
2018-07-23T02:09:50 < zyp> in gcode, each segment has a v, my planning breaks it into a=max, a=0 and a=min segments, giving a trapezoidal speed curve and an s-shaped position curve
2018-07-23T02:10:49 < zyp> to get an s-shaped speed curve, just break the first and last segments into j=max, j=0 and j=min segments
2018-07-23T02:10:56 < zyp> and by min I mean -max
2018-07-23T02:12:36 < zyp> it would add a t**3 term to the position formula, but otherwise no big change on the mcu side
2018-07-23T02:40:34 < Thorn> looks like I'll have to buy an adrweeno controller so I can test / use my printer before my controller / firmware is ready to use :/
2018-07-23T02:50:18 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/c5decca5ed/126830.jpg
2018-07-23T02:51:59 < kakimir> yes
2018-07-23T02:52:19 < Thorn> obdurate
2018-07-23T02:52:23 < Thorn> thanks for the reminder
2018-07-23T02:53:14 < kakimir> I'd be super pumped to get some taste of that liquid
2018-07-23T02:54:10 < Laurenceb> OI M8, WE GOT A ROUND OF REDBULL AND PHAROAHIC SARCOPHAGUS FLUID IN, U UP FOR IT OR WHAT M8
2018-07-23T02:56:26 < kakimir> that looks like a place to hit a bong in
2018-07-23T02:57:27 < kakimir> that would be like whoah
2018-07-23T02:58:59 < kakimir> lets go Laurenceb 
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2018-07-23T03:50:01 < jadew> Laurenceb, what's that deal with the sarcophagus?
2018-07-23T03:50:23 < jadew> (it sounds like religious stuff, but I want to make sure)
2018-07-23T03:50:52 < jadew> we had an incident here where a tree started to "cry" near a church, so people started drinking that water
2018-07-23T03:51:00 < jadew> turned out it was a busted pipe under the tree
2018-07-23T03:51:05 < jadew> *sewage pipe
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2018-07-23T03:56:34 < Laurenceb> hehe
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2018-07-23T08:10:45 < cpctr> englishman! Have you been playing with that assault rifle!?
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2018-07-23T10:45:29 < Steffanx> I can imagine the englishman was totally mad due to PIC crap cpctr 
2018-07-23T10:45:39 < Steffanx> *insane
2018-07-23T10:45:46 < cpctr> hi sir
2018-07-23T10:45:56 < cpctr> did senpai accuse him
2018-07-23T10:49:28 < qyx> I found a dragino HE module
2018-07-23T10:49:37 < qyx> and some old powertip 320x240lcd
2018-07-23T10:50:14 < qyx> I am curious if it is possible to arduino them together
2018-07-23T10:53:19 < cpctr> wut is dragino
2018-07-23T10:54:02 < qyx> http://wiki.dragino.com/index.php?title=Dragino_HE
2018-07-23T10:57:47 < cpctr> a nifty gadget
2018-07-23T10:58:13 < cpctr> what a day though
2018-07-23T11:14:29 < dongs> ahahahh community.st.com is down again
2018-07-23T11:14:38 < dongs> they're changing to YET ANOTHER SHITTY FORUM SOFTWARE
2018-07-23T11:14:42 < dongs> for fucks sake they have like 10 users
2018-07-23T11:14:49 < dongs> how fucking hard is it to maintain a forum that doesnt take a year to load
2018-07-23T11:14:57 < dongs> they could probably even do it with free fucking software
2018-07-23T11:15:01 < dongs> fucking imbeciles
2018-07-23T11:15:11 < dongs> bbl
2018-07-23T11:15:40 < Haohmaru> senpai has woken up from his meditation
2018-07-23T11:16:29 < Haohmaru> fully awaken
2018-07-23T11:18:16 < cpctr> gooday cunts
2018-07-23T11:18:26 < cpctr> dongs wtf another forum
2018-07-23T11:18:55 < cpctr> the digital meltdown 
2018-07-23T11:26:02 < karlp> qyx: sure, run arduino yun firmware on it?
2018-07-23T11:26:11 < karlp> (if you _realllly_ want to "arduino" it together)
2018-07-23T11:27:36 < karlp> otherwise, some of those pins should contain spi, so "just" wire it up.
2018-07-23T11:29:07 < karlp> https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/openwrt.git;a=blob;f=target/linux/ath79/dts/ar9331_dragino_ms14.dts;h=23ecb1353ae5c77a1b902f9446358c2a0b7acc7d;hb=HEAD is the ~same board.
2018-07-23T11:49:21 < dongs> fuck lunix
2018-07-23T11:50:04 < dongs> apply wrong voltage on this pin may cause unexpected behaviour
2018-07-23T11:53:05 < cpctr> eh
2018-07-23T11:54:44 < cpctr> unexpected lunix is unexpected 
2018-07-23T11:55:46 < Haohmaru> unexpected lunix is when your dual-boot machine has rebooted itself
2018-07-23T11:56:35 < karlp> heh, Vpp on f4 is funny.
2018-07-23T11:56:51 < karlp> dongs: that's more bad documentation.
2018-07-23T11:57:12 < karlp> thsoe pins define whether it boots from spi flash or usb, or in device/gadget mode and so on,
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2018-07-23T11:57:27 < karlp> it's easier for them to just ay, "don't touch"
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2018-07-23T11:57:56 < karlp> there's also bootstrap pins for the ddr2/ddr3 and the crystal speed so shit goes bad if you fuck with them
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2018-07-23T12:04:50 < qyx> fuk those pins,
2018-07-23T12:05:12 < qyx> ok, hooking it up to 3V3 with some usb ttl serial dongs
2018-07-23T12:08:48 < cpctr> tits
2018-07-23T12:17:36 < qyx> oh it boots to openwrt 15.05.1, nice
2018-07-23T12:20:11 < zyp> karlp, I haven't seen anybody doing anything with Vpp ever
2018-07-23T12:20:50 < zyp> I guess you'd have to have a pretty hardcore production line for it to matter
2018-07-23T12:26:36 < karlp> yeah, just liked the docs :)
2018-07-23T12:26:55 < karlp> "t is advised to limit the use of VPP to initial programming on
2018-07-23T12:26:56 < karlp> the factory line. The V PP supply must not be applied for more than an hour, otherwise the
2018-07-23T12:26:58 < karlp> Flash memory might be damaged
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2018-07-23T12:44:56 < dongs> what the shit
2018-07-23T12:45:19 < dongs> hey there's a new version of RM0090
2018-07-23T12:45:21 < dongs> june 2018
2018-07-23T12:51:37 < zyp> any fun news?
2018-07-23T12:53:00 < dongs> nope
2018-07-23T12:54:31 < dongs> MCU device ID code updated
2018-07-23T12:54:36 < dongs> looks like there's new revision now
2018-07-23T12:54:40 < dongs> Y and 4
2018-07-23T12:55:01 < dongs> more bugs added
2018-07-23T12:58:33 < cpctr> how's about a fucking beer
2018-07-23T13:00:02 < Steffanx> 🐻
2018-07-23T13:01:07 < cpctr> thanks mate
2018-07-23T13:01:15 < dongs> oh hey
2018-07-23T13:01:19 < dongs> this shit got updated
2018-07-23T13:01:22 < dongs> i think i can see jewnicode now
2018-07-23T13:01:27 < dongs> ファック
2018-07-23T13:01:30 < dongs> nice
2018-07-23T13:01:35 < cpctr> fa
2018-07-23T13:01:42 < cpctr> something
2018-07-23T13:01:47 < cpctr> ku
2018-07-23T13:02:35 < cpctr> oh nice one dong
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2018-07-23T13:03:09 < cpctr> you dug up my 20 year old memory of kana
2018-07-23T13:06:35 < dongs> lols
2018-07-23T13:06:49 < dongs> gj
2018-07-23T13:09:00 < dongs> k time to eject and go watch antman 2
2018-07-23T13:21:25 < cpctr> ok anime for you then
2018-07-23T13:21:26 < cpctr> later
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2018-07-23T14:09:54 < tcth> no fun news from the tct either
2018-07-23T14:10:11 < tcth> I´m sorry to disappoint, Mr. zyp 
2018-07-23T14:16:45 < zyp> aww
2018-07-23T14:18:08  * Haohmaru puts a bloody knife in tcth's hands
2018-07-23T14:18:16 < Haohmaru> expect news very soon
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2018-07-23T14:18:20  * Haohmaru calls teh cops
2018-07-23T14:18:31 < cpctr> welome
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2018-07-23T14:33:32 < tcth> that, Sir, is not a nice thing to do to a fellow IRCer
2018-07-23T14:35:28 < tcth> you should feel bad.
2018-07-23T14:35:36 < Haohmaru> come on, tcth, hold my knife while i dismember this chicken
2018-07-23T14:35:59 < cpctr> where is tct
2018-07-23T14:36:08 < tcth> leave the chickens alone! They´re meant to become nuggets!
2018-07-23T14:36:14 < cpctr> wanna see my DICK
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2018-07-23T14:43:53 < tcth> where is stvn
2018-07-23T14:44:52 < Haohmaru> he morphed
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2018-07-23T14:48:01 < cpctr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAYLgXg1eHc
2018-07-23T14:48:14 < cpctr> hi tct
2018-07-23T14:48:17 < cpctr> how are they
2018-07-23T14:48:22 < cpctr> i heard you have a microscope
2018-07-23T14:48:38 < tcth> yeah
2018-07-23T14:48:41 < tcth> some mantis elite thingy
2018-07-23T14:48:43 < tcth> very happy with it
2018-07-23T14:49:01 < tcth> I wouldn´t have been able to see Steffanx´s dick while he stayed at my place otherwise
2018-07-23T14:49:03 < cpctr> oh nice a mantis
2018-07-23T14:49:15 < cpctr> that's what i was going to suggest for seeing his cock
2018-07-23T14:49:18 < cpctr> anyway
2018-07-23T14:49:37 < tcth> the 3D stereoscopic stuff didn´t really pay of there as it was rather flat
2018-07-23T14:49:48 < cpctr> yeah
2018-07-23T14:49:49 < tcth> ... enough bullshit for today - back to biz!
2018-07-23T14:49:57 < cpctr> so like i dunno of fucking that or a cheap one
2018-07-23T14:50:01 < cpctr> what do you say
2018-07-23T14:51:10 < Haohmaru> wut is this, kindergarten?
2018-07-23T14:51:34 < jpa-> yes
2018-07-23T14:52:24 < tcth> cpctr, I don´t regret having bought that mantis
2018-07-23T14:52:47 < tcth> but then again, I am not a microscope expert or something. I can just tell you that I am very happy with it. It pleases me well.
2018-07-23T14:53:05 < cpctr> hmmm
2018-07-23T14:53:08 < cpctr> it is tempting
2018-07-23T14:53:20 < cpctr> rather kill 2 birds with a rocket launcher 
2018-07-23T14:53:23 < cpctr> if you see what i mean
2018-07-23T14:53:33 < tcth> I do not
2018-07-23T14:53:55 < Haohmaru> cpctr u should aim better than that
2018-07-23T14:53:57 < cpctr> buy the expensive one I'll end up buying rather than buying an in-betweener
2018-07-23T14:54:08 < cpctr> ye?
2018-07-23T14:54:56 < Steffanx> Yes
2018-07-23T14:55:25 < cpctr> hi sir
2018-07-23T14:56:12 < cpctr> it's good to have our moderator here
2018-07-23T14:56:44 < tcth> it wasn´t that expensive
2018-07-23T14:56:49 < tcth> at least not as expensive as I thought
2018-07-23T14:56:54 < tcth> it ended up being just below 5k USD
2018-07-23T14:56:59 < cpctr> yeah
2018-07-23T14:57:29 < cpctr> at least not over 9000
2018-07-23T14:58:55 < jpa-> if you want one, just borrow tct's credit card number
2018-07-23T14:59:22 < cpctr> hmmmmm..... why not..
2018-07-23T14:59:38 < Steffanx> I heard stffnx stole it.
2018-07-23T14:59:49 < Steffanx> Bought waffles.
2018-07-23T15:00:31 < tcth> gotta go, cu folks
2018-07-23T15:00:37 < Steffanx> Deja vu
2018-07-23T15:00:39 < cpctr> xoxo suck me dick
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2018-07-23T16:12:05 < Getty> Ok, before I try to find lots of variables and do lots of math, anyone got a hint how i find out the resulting frequency of my PWMs?
2018-07-23T16:12:30 < Haohmaru> scope it?
2018-07-23T16:13:05 < Getty> oh, that thing what an actual electronic person can do ;) i even got the devices here, but the person who can explain them to me is dead ;)
2018-07-23T16:13:28 < Haohmaru> the person who can explain.. how to use the scope?
2018-07-23T16:13:34 < Getty> so got another plan? but thanks for the hint, i should actually pursue being able to do so
2018-07-23T16:13:52 < Haohmaru> just switch it on in DC mode
2018-07-23T16:14:12 < Haohmaru> be careful where you connect the GND of the probe
2018-07-23T16:14:24 < Getty> i dont even know which of the devices here is the right now, but i could check, so or so nothing is prepared for this, so it might be not that wise of a plan
2018-07-23T16:15:42 < Haohmaru> well, otherwise, check datasheets and formulas *shrug*
2018-07-23T16:17:05 < Sadale> If you don't have a scope, perhaps connect it to the computer microphone jack somehow. Then you can record it with your computer and check the frequency.
2018-07-23T16:17:35 < Sadale> Mind the voltage and current and stuffs, tho. I've no idea about the rating of the audio input of computer.
2018-07-23T16:18:01 < Haohmaru> won't hurt too much if you put a 100k resistor in series
2018-07-23T16:18:02 < Getty> hahhaha nice trick, yeah the voltage on this might be not so good
2018-07-23T16:18:13 < Haohmaru> assuming 5V-ish
2018-07-23T16:18:44 < Sadale> That'd be very problematic if the audio circuit of your computer got fired. Better to be cautionous than to be sorry. :P
2018-07-23T16:19:09 < Haohmaru> that's why i use a resistor ;P~
2018-07-23T16:19:15 < Sadale> I see. :P
2018-07-23T16:19:21 < Sadale> What about the voltage? =P
2018-07-23T16:19:36 < Haohmaru> no idea, i'm dumb
2018-07-23T16:19:37 < Sadale> Seriously, I have no idea on how does the mic jack work. I don't know if it detects voltage or current.
2018-07-23T16:19:50 < Haohmaru> why mic?
2018-07-23T16:20:01 < Sadale> Because it seems that he doesn't have a scope? :P
2018-07-23T16:20:13 < Haohmaru> that'd be moar sensitive and expect high impedance source
2018-07-23T16:21:03 < Haohmaru> i use instrument inputs on mine, which should be similar to a "line input"
2018-07-23T16:21:34 < Haohmaru> haven't blown it yet
2018-07-23T16:21:57 < jpa-> there are many ways to make a microphone input, but a series capacitor and resistor might help
2018-07-23T16:22:26 < Cracki> voltage vs current? impedance!
2018-07-23T16:22:40 < Cracki> these days, most stuff isn't impedance matched anymore, but high-z input, low-z output
2018-07-23T16:22:47 < jpa-> but yeah, learning to use a scope is not that hard and youtube is full of videos
2018-07-23T16:22:53 < Cracki> so matching is irrelevant and things are normed to voltage
2018-07-23T16:22:57 < Cracki> aye, use a scope
2018-07-23T16:23:37 < Cracki> mic inputs assume low levels, millivolts or microvolts (natural output of many mics), which is why they often have fixed pre-gain in addition to variable gain
2018-07-23T16:23:58 < Haohmaru> scope input eggspects high impedance ;P~
2018-07-23T16:24:01 < Cracki> line level, depending on standard, is something around 1V
2018-07-23T16:25:09 < Haohmaru> my soundcard doesn't call them "line" inputs.. just inputs
2018-07-23T16:25:32 < Haohmaru> and i think the Vpp is higher
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2018-07-23T16:32:14  * Haohmaru puts on his umbrella
2018-07-23T16:37:10 < englishman> another false flag fake "shooting" in canada ahead of new gun control laws
2018-07-23T16:37:33 < englishman> how can stm32 solve this
2018-07-23T16:39:46 < Sadale> I guess Arduino's an easier solution than STM32 for this thing :P
2018-07-23T16:41:22 < tomeaton17> ask the MaKeRs!!
2018-07-23T16:42:28 < Haohmaru> who is their leader
2018-07-23T16:43:09 < tomeaton17> sexy cyborg aka naomi wu
2018-07-23T16:43:31 < Haohmaru> aww, not teh forbidden word
2018-07-23T16:43:49  * Haohmaru closes his umbrella
2018-07-23T16:45:00 < tomeaton17> a brilliant MaKeR taken too soon :(
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2018-07-23T16:45:58 < emeryth> rest in pi
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2018-07-23T16:50:20 < Haohmaru> Rust in C#
2018-07-23T16:50:47 < Haohmaru> i meant Rust in py
2018-07-23T16:51:24 < tomeaton17> rust in processing
2018-07-23T16:52:48 < Haohmaru> wasn't that the father of fartuino?
2018-07-23T16:53:26 < tomeaton17> not sure but the makers seem to use it 
2018-07-23T16:54:11 < Haohmaru> to make teh future grate again
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2018-07-23T16:56:36 < Cracki> wiring was the dude's thesis or something
2018-07-23T16:56:45 < Cracki> not quite sure how it relates to processing
2018-07-23T16:56:55 < Cracki> but arduino evolved from wiring
2018-07-23T16:57:13 < Cracki> the involved parties wrote down their versions of what happened
2018-07-23T16:57:14 < tomeaton17> his thesis was a maker project nice
2018-07-23T16:57:28 < Cracki> ya something "artists" can use
2018-07-23T16:57:39 < Cracki> so, a hardware abstraction layer
2018-07-23T16:57:43 < tomeaton17> s/r/u
2018-07-23T16:58:02 < Cracki> which is why the digitalwrite includes a kitchen sink, it's supposed to disable timer/PWM too ;)
2018-07-23T16:58:41 < Cracki> don't hate on normies just because they are a few standard deviations below us gifted ones
2018-07-23T16:58:44 < tcth> the tct has returned
2018-07-23T16:58:47 < tcth> please entertain me
2018-07-23T16:58:51 < Cracki> s/th/l/
2018-07-23T16:59:08 < tomeaton17> tried to do it quick prototype with one, very difficult to use classes with peripherals apparently
2018-07-23T16:59:39 < Cracki> >classes
2018-07-23T16:59:40 < Cracki> >avr
2018-07-23T16:59:47 < Cracki> do it fgt
2018-07-23T16:59:59 < Cracki> xpcc does, it uses C++ features extensively
2018-07-23T17:00:01 < Sadale> Believe it or not. That how it works ith Arduino.
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2018-07-23T17:00:12 < tomeaton17> Cracki: yeah but this is arduino
2018-07-23T17:00:19 < Sadale> I don't know why that'd work, tho. That seems to me that it'd be a lot of overhead. :P
2018-07-23T17:00:21 < Cracki> it's little more than structs with functions
2018-07-23T17:00:32 < Cracki> no actually the compiler optimizes quite well
2018-07-23T17:00:34 < bitmask> nice, misumi bearings and rods being delivered tomorrow
2018-07-23T17:00:34 < Sadale> Perhaps they've enabled compiler optimization or something. I don't know
2018-07-23T17:00:56 < Sadale> It makes sense to do compiler optimization for Arduino because they don't have a debugger on their IDE :P
2018-07-23T17:01:03 < tomeaton17> honestly I just find it easier to work with an actual embedded platform
2018-07-23T17:01:04 < Cracki> it's all stack-allocated and no fancy polymorphism
2018-07-23T17:01:16 < tomeaton17> Sadale: what about Serial.println() thats debugging??
2018-07-23T17:01:31 < Sadale> tomeaton17, By debugging, I meant the one that involve the debugger.
2018-07-23T17:01:50 < Cracki> MCP should give AVRs an FPU
2018-07-23T17:01:53 < Sadale> tomeaton17, like you launch gdb or some other debug software and attach your programmer to the debugwire of the AVR chip.
2018-07-23T17:01:59 < tomeaton17> Lol that was just something a maker would say I didnt actually meant that :p
2018-07-23T17:02:08 < Sadale> lol I see :D
2018-07-23T17:02:13 < Sadale> That was just a satire :D
2018-07-23T17:02:17 < Cracki> printlining is one of the first debugging techniques someone should learn
2018-07-23T17:02:20 < tomeaton17> of course
2018-07-23T17:02:21 < Sadale> agreed.
2018-07-23T17:02:40 < Cracki> you can't always attach a debugger ;)
2018-07-23T17:02:54 < tomeaton17> but I guess for arduino its not too bad as you don't need to see any registers
2018-07-23T17:02:59 < Cracki> still, it's like moving mountains with a tea spoon
2018-07-23T17:03:06 < Sadale> lol
2018-07-23T17:03:19 < Sadale> Depending on your use case, sometimes printline works better.
2018-07-23T17:03:23 < Sadale> Some other time debugger works better.
2018-07-23T17:03:36 < Cracki> once you're used to the trace facility of arm cortex, you're spoiled
2018-07-23T17:03:56 < tomeaton17> yes this is true. Im in love with my j link
2018-07-23T17:03:56 < Cracki> printlining fucks with realtime
2018-07-23T17:04:20 < Sadale> right.
2018-07-23T17:04:27 < Cracki> the 1-bit version of printlining is making an LED blink and scoping that :P
2018-07-23T17:04:30 < Sadale> especially if the microcontroller is slow.
2018-07-23T17:04:38 < Cracki> that's how I time interrupt routines :>
2018-07-23T17:04:54 < Sadale> ah. That's also how I'm told to do that when I'm at work:)
2018-07-23T17:06:46 < tomeaton17> the other intern at work used an arduino for her year project, it was kind of sad when the boss reimplemented her years work in a week :(
2018-07-23T17:07:03 < Sadale> lololololol
2018-07-23T17:07:04 < Cracki> lel
2018-07-23T17:07:05 < Sadale> NOOB! :P
2018-07-23T17:07:07 < tcth> you know what´s really sad?
2018-07-23T17:07:11 < Sadale> nooooooooooooooob!!!
2018-07-23T17:07:16 < Sadale> tcth, what?
2018-07-23T17:07:17 < Cracki> >intern
2018-07-23T17:07:19 < tcth> me
2018-07-23T17:07:24 < Cracki> guess what, you get what you pay for
2018-07-23T17:07:39 < Sadale> tcth, What's that project, tho?
2018-07-23T17:07:44 < tomeaton17> hey don't hate on iterns im an intern and I used stm32
2018-07-23T17:07:45 < Cracki> blinky
2018-07-23T17:07:49 < Sadale> lol
2018-07-23T17:07:56 < Steffanx> Interns are there to learn stuff, not to make completely finished producta
2018-07-23T17:07:59 < Cracki> ^
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2018-07-23T17:08:06 < tomeaton17> yeah exactly
2018-07-23T17:08:12 < Sadale> I couldn't imagine someone'd implement something with simple, intuitive library like Arduino with a year of work.
2018-07-23T17:08:22 < tcth> Sadale, what what project?
2018-07-23T17:08:27 < Cracki> 1 loc/week
2018-07-23T17:08:27 < Sadale> tcth, that year project
2018-07-23T17:08:28 < tcth> Sadale, I´m just sad as a person
2018-07-23T17:08:31 < tcth> wtf?
2018-07-23T17:08:33 < tcth> what year project?
2018-07-23T17:08:37 < tcth> I never mentioned any year project
2018-07-23T17:08:38 < Sadale> tcth, oh. Not you. But tomeaton17 
2018-07-23T17:08:39 < Steffanx> I think tomeaton17 didnt tell us the real/entite story
2018-07-23T17:08:46 < Sadale> tomeaton17, ^ What's that year project?
2018-07-23T17:08:52 < tcth> stop confusing me, Sadale. It´s making me even more sad
2018-07-23T17:08:55 < Steffanx> Entire*
2018-07-23T17:08:57 < Sadale> tcth, sorry for mixing up. :3
2018-07-23T17:08:59 < Cracki> you people talk like you jumped out of a Loriot skit
2018-07-23T17:08:59  * Sadale pats tcth 
2018-07-23T17:09:20 < tomeaton17> the project was to make a rotating antenna which you could control with serial
2018-07-23T17:09:21 < tcth> :3
2018-07-23T17:09:29 < Steffanx> Did you know Sadale is the only chinese in the ##stm32 tcth ?
2018-07-23T17:09:40 < Cracki> how many axes?
2018-07-23T17:09:41 < Steffanx> How sad is that?
2018-07-23T17:09:47 < Sadale> tomeaton17, antenna attached to servo?
2018-07-23T17:09:52 < Cracki> that's like... one servo and you're done?
2018-07-23T17:09:55 < tomeaton17> Sadale: yes
2018-07-23T17:09:57 < tcth> Steffanx, oh noes
2018-07-23T17:09:57 < Sadale> Steffanx, ching chong leung hong kwang!
2018-07-23T17:09:58 < Cracki> lel
2018-07-23T17:10:06 < Cracki> who mentored her?
2018-07-23T17:10:24 < tcth> Steffanx, I am sad
2018-07-23T17:10:26 < Cracki> did y'all just give her a google and that's it?
2018-07-23T17:10:40 < tomeaton17> Initially they bought a bloody massive motor from oriental motors which with the controller was at least £500
2018-07-23T17:10:44 < Cracki> lel
2018-07-23T17:10:47 < Cracki> wtf who's that dumb?
2018-07-23T17:10:49 < Sadale> tomeaton17, ... That should only take a few day of work with Arduino. Perhaps even a few hours if you're lucky enough not getting stuck. :/
2018-07-23T17:10:51 < Cracki> what kind of antenna?
2018-07-23T17:11:06 < tomeaton17> I don't know why the mentor approved that really because there are now two sitting here doing nothing :(
2018-07-23T17:11:06 < Cracki> the mechanical side of it should have been handled by someone who knows his shit
2018-07-23T17:11:17 < tomeaton17> Cracki: the mechanical side is just a slip ring
2018-07-23T17:11:33 < tomeaton17> Its an antenna with two receivers on either end for sdr
2018-07-23T17:11:37 < Steffanx> Are you interning again tomeaton17 
2018-07-23T17:11:44 < Steffanx> Though you were done with that
2018-07-23T17:11:44 < Cracki> "make it spin!"
2018-07-23T17:11:48 < Cracki> how hard could it be
2018-07-23T17:11:53 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: I am done at the end of this month
2018-07-23T17:11:53 < Steffanx> Thought
2018-07-23T17:12:00 < Cracki> would love to read her weekly report
2018-07-23T17:12:04 < tomeaton17> My battery management  system is complete
2018-07-23T17:12:39 < Sadale> tomeaton17, at least you aren't the guy who implement a UART-controlled antenna rotating program using a whole year of time. :p
2018-07-23T17:12:56 < Cracki> perhaps she had trouble parsing data from the uart?
2018-07-23T17:13:11 < Sadale> more likely she isn't suitable to be a programmer. =P
2018-07-23T17:13:17 < Cracki> what qualifications did she have?
2018-07-23T17:13:20 < tomeaton17> I think the problem was interrupts
2018-07-23T17:13:26 < tomeaton17> Nothing, we are both pre university
2018-07-23T17:13:36 < Cracki> so was she technically oriented?
2018-07-23T17:13:54 < Cracki> how could interrupts have been a problem?
2018-07-23T17:14:20 < Cracki> this is "read a number from serial, pass to analogwrite() for servo"
2018-07-23T17:14:28 < Steffanx> interruptive relay chat?
2018-07-23T17:14:50 < Cracki> chatus interruptus
2018-07-23T17:15:26 < Cracki> do your mentors do a "post mortem" for internships?
2018-07-23T17:15:28 < Steffanx> Must be Blaxters sister
2018-07-23T17:15:41 < tcth> blaxter has a sis????
2018-07-23T17:15:46 < Steffanx> Muh antenna spinner
2018-07-23T17:15:46 < tcth> why did nobody ever tell me?
2018-07-23T17:15:58 < Steffanx> Idk, it was a joke mate.
2018-07-23T17:16:00 < Cracki> lady blaxter?!
2018-07-23T17:16:08 < Cracki> might just be him in drag
2018-07-23T17:16:10 < Cracki> ;)
2018-07-23T17:16:13 < tcth> one does not joke about women
2018-07-23T17:16:21 < tcth> choking would be fine, though.
2018-07-23T17:16:26 < Cracki> >_>
2018-07-23T17:16:35 < Sadale> gender equality :P
2018-07-23T17:16:41 < Steffanx> Ask cpctr
2018-07-23T17:16:44 < tcth> do chinese people have genders too?
2018-07-23T17:16:55 < Cracki> yes, but only two
2018-07-23T17:17:01 < Sadale> lol
2018-07-23T17:17:06 < Cracki> the chinese have had to invent their own word for SJW
2018-07-23T17:17:13 < tomeaton17> Cracki: yeah its on thursday
2018-07-23T17:17:37 < tomeaton17> Honestly I don't know but they didnt give her the right project
2018-07-23T17:17:43 < Cracki> aye
2018-07-23T17:18:03 < tomeaton17> When I saw the git repo was lots of dated files containing each iteration 
2018-07-23T17:18:04 < Cracki> if there was mentoring, it was way too hands-off
2018-07-23T17:18:12 < tomeaton17> Cracki: yes it definitely was
2018-07-23T17:18:16 < Steffanx> Invite her to ##stm32. All she need is some stm32
2018-07-23T17:18:23 < Cracki> oy
2018-07-23T17:18:41 < sync> yes, give her the full ##stm32 pro irc ee trolling course
2018-07-23T17:18:52 < tcth> summon the blaxter
2018-07-23T17:18:57 < sync> and she will be a certified pro irc ee™ in no time flat
2018-07-23T17:19:03 < tomeaton17> I quite liked it actually because I basically got a budget to do what I did as a hobby, and made a pretty cool project out of it
2018-07-23T17:19:04 < Cracki> shakka shakka babby shakka
2018-07-23T17:19:11 < tomeaton17> think irc might be a bit too much for her
2018-07-23T17:19:16 < tomeaton17> maybe on webchat
2018-07-23T17:19:48 < Cracki> i think the IRC technology is the least worry... just look at us degenerates!
2018-07-23T17:21:16 < Steffanx> "us"?
2018-07-23T17:21:27 < tomeaton17> ah well I think she is going to university of aston next year not sure tho
2018-07-23T17:21:34 < tomeaton17> was resitting some exams I think 
2018-07-23T17:22:03 < Steffanx> Will tomeaton17 go to notthingham?
2018-07-23T17:22:11 < Steffanx> Like the Blaxter
2018-07-23T17:22:42 < tomeaton17> No, tomeatom17 is going to Manchester
2018-07-23T17:24:07 < Laurenceb> sup
2018-07-23T17:24:11 < Laurenceb> I see trolls online
2018-07-23T17:24:27 < Laurenceb> trolls, trolls everywhere
2018-07-23T17:24:37 < tcth> tct has vacation
2018-07-23T17:24:38 < tcth> troll time.
2018-07-23T17:24:41 < tomeaton17> did you go to nottingham as an undergrad
2018-07-23T17:24:46 < tcth> forced vacation. even got denied access to my own fucking office
2018-07-23T17:25:02 < Steffanx> Good job.
2018-07-23T17:25:18 < Steffanx> Even tcth has to comply with the rules
2018-07-23T17:25:28 < tcth> time to steal the key of some employee
2018-07-23T17:25:39 < tcth> fuck that. I didn´t hire people to lock me out of my office
2018-07-23T17:25:57 < Laurenceb> tomeaton17: no I'm not that stupid lol
2018-07-23T17:26:14 < tcth> by now we even got some fancy external HR consultant to assist our HR manager (dedicated person). He did not like the spreadsheet listing my work hours
2018-07-23T17:26:23 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb: haha 
2018-07-23T17:26:31 < Laurenceb> tcth: so replace it with a latex table
2018-07-23T17:26:47 < tcth> tomeaton17, you wouldn´t believe it but Laurenceb is actually quite smart
2018-07-23T17:26:54 < tcth> or retarded, nobody really nows.
2018-07-23T17:27:02 < tcth> Laurenceb, :p
2018-07-23T17:27:40 < tomeaton17> he seems like an intelligent guy from what I have seen 
2018-07-23T17:27:46 < Steffanx> Seems.
2018-07-23T17:27:47 < tomeaton17> apart from the alt right kekistan stuff
2018-07-23T17:28:08 < Steffanx> Id call it autism.
2018-07-23T17:28:21 < Haohmaru> i'd call it schizofr-whatever it was
2018-07-23T17:28:34 < tomeaton17> Gonna have to agree with that diagnosis
2018-07-23T17:29:05 < tomeaton17> do you have to be on the spectrum to enter this channel?
2018-07-23T17:29:10 < Steffanx> You and antto have been diagnosed with that too, Haohmaru 
2018-07-23T17:29:23 < Haohmaru> dafuq.. why?
2018-07-23T17:29:31 < tcth> Steffanx, why is autism always the solution to anything for you?
2018-07-23T17:30:17 < tomeaton17> its the safe space
2018-07-23T17:30:54 < Steffanx> Lol tcth 
2018-07-23T17:30:55 < Cracki> life is not a safe space!
2018-07-23T17:30:59 < Steffanx> Always coca cola.
2018-07-23T17:31:07 < Cracki> the only safe space is a coffin
2018-07-23T17:31:40 < Haohmaru> if ur a vampire
2018-07-23T17:31:46 < tomeaton17> what about a sweaty bedroom
2018-07-23T17:32:57 < Cracki> is that an offer?
2018-07-23T17:33:01 < englishman> tcth: did you get a real job or something
2018-07-23T17:33:38 < tomeaton17> no one can come in my safe space (disclaimer im not an autist)
2018-07-23T17:34:37 < englishman> or are you busy blowing through some dickstarter cash
2018-07-23T17:37:12 < tomeaton17> Can the channel mod add cloud bot to this channel
2018-07-23T17:37:53 < Haohmaru> dafuq is a cloud bot?
2018-07-23T17:39:10 < tomeaton17> Its a bot that adds cool stuff like the 11:11 game
2018-07-23T17:39:15 < Cracki> eek
2018-07-23T17:39:34 < Haohmaru> wut game
2018-07-23T17:39:40 < Haohmaru> r u bored tomeaton17?
2018-07-23T17:39:52 < Steffanx> The only bot we need is englishbot 
2018-07-23T17:39:56 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-07-23T17:39:57 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 29.0°C. Humidity: 61%.
2018-07-23T17:40:10 < Laurenceb> free kekistan !!!!
2018-07-23T17:40:10 < kakimir> !wx oulu
2018-07-23T17:40:18 < kakimir> !wz oulu
2018-07-23T17:40:20 < englishbot> [Oulu, Finland] Rain. Temp is 27.7°C but feels like 30°C. WSW wind: 1.4 kph. Humidity: 66%.
2018-07-23T17:40:37 < Thorn> we also have IrCNaNNY by SafeSoft v1.0b
2018-07-23T17:40:50 < Steffanx> And we have Dad.
2018-07-23T17:41:11 < Laurenceb> ur mum
2018-07-23T17:41:17 < Cracki> !wz aachen
2018-07-23T17:41:17 < englishbot> [Aachen, Germany] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 29°C. NW wind: 13 kph.
2018-07-23T17:41:25 < Cracki> feels like an oven
2018-07-23T17:41:38 < Cracki> rather a steam cooker
2018-07-23T17:41:41 < tomeaton17> essentially you have to type 11:11 at the time 11:11 and whoever gets closest to the time 11:11 they win
2018-07-23T17:41:47 < tomeaton17> I am not bored
2018-07-23T17:42:00 < Cracki> do something with stm32?
2018-07-23T17:42:05 < Cracki> note the missing ##
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2018-07-23T17:42:14 < tomeaton17> I am
2018-07-23T17:42:28 < Cracki> wat r u doing
2018-07-23T17:42:44 < tcth> englishbot, CEO is a very real job
2018-07-23T17:43:18 < tomeaton17> I am trying to get an IC to accept my CRC byte 
2018-07-23T17:43:21 < englishman> congrats on taking ugfx to the big leagues
2018-07-23T17:43:51 < Steffanx> Touchgfx is upgraded too i heard. As its STMs now
2018-07-23T17:43:59 < Steffanx> Soon well have touchgfx for stm8
2018-07-23T17:44:36 < Laurenceb> touchgfx will DESTROY Qt SJWs with FACTS and LOGIC
2018-07-23T17:45:20 < Steffanx> Muh embedded gui?
2018-07-23T17:45:33 < Laurenceb> muh <thing>
2018-07-23T17:46:07 < Haohmaru> #define muh
2018-07-23T17:46:16 < Haohmaru> #include muh "stuffz.h"
2018-07-23T17:46:17 < tcth> #undef Haohmaru 
2018-07-23T17:47:49 < Laurenceb> Ben Shapiro is BULLDOZING Palestinian houses with BASED FACTS and LOGIC, donate on patreon to buy him a new dozer
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2018-07-23T17:50:11 < Cracki> sharpie ben needs to take his Heritage Trip and bugger off
2018-07-23T17:51:02 < Cracki> defending Gunn once again proves his tribalism
2018-07-23T17:52:05 < Laurenceb> >what is irony
2018-07-23T17:52:26 < Cracki> i know the meme, don't worry
2018-07-23T17:52:33 < tomeaton17> why you should give up sex and devote your life to Tommy Robinson
2018-07-23T17:52:47 < tomeaton17> found on info wars
2018-07-23T17:52:48 < zyp> !wz grimstad
2018-07-23T17:52:48 < Laurenceb> die for Israel
2018-07-23T17:52:49 < englishbot> [Grimstad, Norway] Clear. Temp is 24°C. South wind: 26 kph. Humidity: 65%.
2018-07-23T17:52:54 < zyp> bullshit
2018-07-23T17:53:03 < zyp> car said it was 28 when I drove home
2018-07-23T17:53:07 < tomeaton17> !wz Havant
2018-07-23T17:53:08 < englishbot> [Havant, United Kingdom] Clear. Temp is 27.7°C. SE wind: 10.2 kph.
2018-07-23T17:55:23 < Laurenceb> posh bastard confirmed
2018-07-23T17:55:38 < Laurenceb> ASBO represent
2018-07-23T17:57:08 < Laurenceb> talking on UK shit, til "rape victim commissioner" is Baroness _Newlove_ 
2018-07-23T17:57:12 < Thorn> !wz UUOL
2018-07-23T17:57:13 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-07-23T17:57:29 < Thorn> I live in nowhere
2018-07-23T17:57:36 < Thorn> !wz UUOO
2018-07-23T17:57:37 < englishbot> [UUOO, (null)] Overcast. Temp is 21°C. ENE wind: 11 kph. Humidity: 94%.
2018-07-23T17:57:51 < Thorn> the closest town is null
2018-07-23T17:57:59 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb you clearly haven't been to havant if you think its posh 
2018-07-23T17:58:40 < Cracki> you clearly haven't been to london if you think the rest of the island isn't posh
2018-07-23T17:58:54 < Sadale> I guess englishbot is owned by englishman 
2018-07-23T17:59:15 < Laurenceb> tomeaton17: probably, I never visit the south
2018-07-23T17:59:39 < tomeaton17> don't come to havant
2018-07-23T17:59:50 < Laurenceb> kek
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2018-07-23T18:00:26 < tomeaton17> it has two pound shops next door to each other
2018-07-23T18:03:58 < Laurenceb> my cousin lives in Borden
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2018-07-23T18:05:19 < tcth> what do you think of tentacles, Laurenceb ?
2018-07-23T18:06:09 < Laurenceb> *Bordon
2018-07-23T18:06:16 < vampi-the-frog> tentacle jihad
2018-07-23T18:06:33 < Laurenceb> u can find her on chaturbate
2018-07-23T18:07:15 < tcth> what is chaturbate?
2018-07-23T18:07:25 < Laurenceb> >nsfw
2018-07-23T18:07:54 < tomeaton17> username or isnt real
2018-07-23T18:08:08 < Laurenceb> the furthest south I ever go
2018-07-23T18:08:11 < vampi-the-frog> Jack Off Jihad
2018-07-23T18:08:12 < Laurenceb> I'm not that stupid
2018-07-23T18:09:20 < vampi-the-frog> I got those LM13700's
2018-07-23T18:09:55 < Cracki> wat r those
2018-07-23T18:10:12 < vampi-the-frog> Operational Transconductance Amplifier
2018-07-23T18:10:21 < vampi-the-frog> it's an opamp with an extra input that I can use to make a VCA
2018-07-23T18:10:30 < vampi-the-frog> Vagina Cunt Ass
2018-07-23T18:10:39 < tcth> o.O
2018-07-23T18:10:46 < vampi-the-frog> I mean
2018-07-23T18:10:52 < vampi-the-frog> Voltage Controlled Amplifier
2018-07-23T18:10:56 < vampi-the-frog> typo
2018-07-23T18:11:11 < Cracki> the keys are like right next to each other
2018-07-23T18:14:25 < invzim> goddamn DHL again, scammers!
2018-07-23T18:14:57 < invzim> lcsc stuff ended up almost 3x price with their non-disputable fees
2018-07-23T18:15:56 < tcth> lcsc?
2018-07-23T18:16:04 < invzim> https://lcsc.com/
2018-07-23T18:16:53 < tcth> that looks dodgy
2018-07-23T18:17:07 < tcth> is lcsc as good as arrow, englishman?
2018-07-23T18:17:42 < invzim> lcsc is not good, it's dhl I'm pissed with
2018-07-23T18:17:50 < invzim> lcsc IS good :)
2018-07-23T18:18:19 < tcth> what are you building?
2018-07-23T18:18:39 < invzim> stuffs - just hobby for now
2018-07-23T18:18:47 < invzim> https://irkenlabs.com/
2018-07-23T18:19:06 < tcth> seems fancy
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2018-07-23T18:19:39 < tcth> you seem to do quite serious stuff for just hobby
2018-07-23T18:19:45 < tcth> nice stuff you have up there
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2018-07-23T18:21:04 < invzim> thanks, getting a little weary of number of revisions tho.  Seems like I do 4-5 before I have something I'm happy with
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2018-07-23T18:22:14 < invzim> Should be 3, 1 poc, 2 do your best, 3 fix the stuff you didn't get right in #2
2018-07-23T18:22:27 < tcth> agreed
2018-07-23T18:22:56 < tcth> https://irkenlabs.com/jvs-pac2/introduction
2018-07-23T18:23:02 < tcth> what´s up with that ultimarc.com disclaimer?
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2018-07-23T18:23:23 < invzim> just being nice I guess - name is very similar to j-pac
2018-07-23T18:23:39 < tcth> nice people on the IRC? lies!
2018-07-23T18:25:08 < tcth> time to figure out what jamma is
2018-07-23T18:25:18 < tcth> may the wikipedia gods be with me
2018-07-23T18:26:18 < tcth> lol @ guidelines:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Amusement_Machine_and_Marketing_Association#Amusement_Machine_Prize_guideline
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2018-07-23T18:28:55 < Cracki> >amusement machine
2018-07-23T18:29:09 < Cracki> sounds naughty
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2018-07-23T18:30:15 < Cracki> so that's why they have panty vending machines! the arcades aren't allowed to have them!
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2018-07-23T18:31:01 < tcth> panty vending machines? please tell me that that doesn´t exist...
2018-07-23T18:35:46 < englishman> tcth: idk never used it
2018-07-23T18:36:00 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uztbPafHMXo
2018-07-23T18:36:05 < englishman> not sure how anything could be better than ARROW tho
2018-07-23T18:37:07 < tcth> lol
2018-07-23T18:37:17 < englishman> so when is tectu musk company's IPO
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2018-07-23T18:39:31 < tcth> tectu doesn´t musk by a looooong shot
2018-07-23T18:39:34 < tcth> only musk musks
2018-07-23T18:40:08 < tcth> englishman, I have an upcoming dick´n´place job of 10´000 units. I assume you´re not interested in handling something like that?
2018-07-23T18:40:15 < tcth> also, shipment would probably be a big pain
2018-07-23T18:40:17 < englishman> depends what it is
2018-07-23T18:40:21 < tcth> PCBs
2018-07-23T18:40:31 < englishman> tell me more
2018-07-23T18:40:44 < englishman> i love polychlorinated biphenyl
2018-07-23T18:40:50 < tcth> regular crap: STM32F4 with three external memories, ethernet, buttons, ...
2018-07-23T18:41:04 < englishman> i told you that you didnt need any of that shit
2018-07-23T18:41:17 < tcth> and you were wrong
2018-07-23T18:41:47 < tcth> one of my firmware devs is complaining about ´not having enough resources´
2018-07-23T18:42:01 < Cracki> what does he do with the resources he has?
2018-07-23T18:42:02 < englishman> what he wants, is a lunix
2018-07-23T18:42:12 < englishman> what you gave him, is an f4
2018-07-23T18:42:14 < tcth> Cracki well it does TLS and stuff
2018-07-23T18:42:18 < Cracki> uh
2018-07-23T18:42:22 < tcth> englishman, wrong
2018-07-23T18:42:29 < tcth> wolfssl is pretty nice, btw.
2018-07-23T18:42:37 < Cracki> hw acceleration for the TLS?
2018-07-23T18:42:44 < englishman> f4 is nearly 10 years old now
2018-07-23T18:42:51 < Cracki> still, TLS doesn't mean extra ram
2018-07-23T18:42:53 < englishman> why does your company's product use 10 year old parts
2018-07-23T18:43:19 < Cracki> 3 extra memories whyyy
2018-07-23T18:43:23 < tcth> englishman this needed to be done extremely quickly. From creating the schematic file to first assembled prototypes in my hand it took me 10 days
2018-07-23T18:43:30 < tcth> couldn´t have done that with shit I didn´t use 1000 times already
2018-07-23T18:43:39 < Cracki> good reason
2018-07-23T18:43:39 < tcth> Cracki, SRAM, NAND and SPI EEprom
2018-07-23T18:43:50 < englishman> lunix solves all problems
2018-07-23T18:43:53 < tcth> NAND for log files, SRAM for regular SRAM crap and eeprom for config crap
2018-07-23T18:44:03 < Cracki> makes sense
2018-07-23T18:44:15 < englishman> import tectus_proj.py
2018-07-23T18:44:18 < Cracki> f4 builtin memories not enough I figure, eh
2018-07-23T18:44:25 < Thorn> what about those new supposedly ultra cheap stm32h7?
2018-07-23T18:44:28 < tcth> well, as englishman said: fuck f4
2018-07-23T18:45:28 < Cracki> ya watabout H7?
2018-07-23T18:45:37 < tcth> didn´t use any yet
2018-07-23T18:45:48 < tcth> I moved to arduino recently
2018-07-23T18:45:57 < Thorn> they should be mostly compatible with f4
2018-07-23T18:46:24 < tcth> Thorn, yeah, I´ll have a look at them sooon. For this project ´´mostly compatible´´ wasn´t good enough
2018-07-23T18:46:57 < Cracki> I might be reading this wrong but when I ask mouser for stm32h7, it shows me things at 20 bucks/piece
2018-07-23T18:47:07 < englishman> yeah
2018-07-23T18:47:15 < englishman> individual stm32 from white people are always expensive
2018-07-23T18:47:16 < tcth> Cracki, better use arrow
2018-07-23T18:47:17 < tcth> right, englishman ?
2018-07-23T18:47:24 < Thorn> also there are multiple generations of f4, not all of them are 10 years old. f405/407 are
2018-07-23T18:47:35 < Cracki> k trying
2018-07-23T18:48:20 < Cracki> digikey starts them at 7.50/pc
2018-07-23T18:48:33 < tcth> arrow mate, ARROW!
2018-07-23T18:48:42 < Sadale> wow. $20/piece O_o
2018-07-23T18:48:45 < Thorn> broken arrow
2018-07-23T18:48:52 < tcth> to the knee
2018-07-23T18:49:03 < Sadale> Cracki, which model, tho.
2018-07-23T18:49:08 < Cracki> arrow also 17/pc and up
2018-07-23T18:49:11 < Cracki> "stm32h7"
2018-07-23T18:49:15 < Cracki> that's what I searched
2018-07-23T18:49:23 < tcth> yes, but arrow has way better service. ask englishman 
2018-07-23T18:49:27 < englishman> yes they are great
2018-07-23T18:49:31 < tcth> ask him intensively about it.
2018-07-23T18:49:32 < Cracki> they're top of the line, so either someone remembered the wrong part family or whatever
2018-07-23T18:49:44 < englishman> when you call their phone number because they sent you an empty box, noone works there
2018-07-23T18:49:53 < Sadale> ah. I thought that you were looking for an exact model.
2018-07-23T18:49:54 < tcth> lol @ empty box
2018-07-23T18:49:57 < englishman> when you finally have a salesman attached to you, he quits but your account is still attached to him
2018-07-23T18:50:56 < Thorn> Cracki: I think they meant https://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/microcontrollers/stm32-32-bit-arm-cortex-mcus/stm32-high-performance-mcus/stm32h7-series/stm32h750-value-line.html?querycriteria=productId=LN2121
2018-07-23T18:51:55 < tcth> englishman, did that empty box thing happen?!
2018-07-23T18:53:24 < Cracki> 8 bucks for that thing is a good price, I think
2018-07-23T18:53:33 < Cracki> 7.32 at digikey
2018-07-23T18:53:43 < Sadale> apparently stm32h7 is as expensive as mouser in taobao (Chinese local aliexpress)
2018-07-23T18:53:52 < Cracki> haha 14 weeks lead time
2018-07-23T18:54:25 < Thorn> that;s the problem with new parts
2018-07-23T18:54:32 < Thorn> unlike 10 yo f4
2018-07-23T18:54:34 < Sadale> wow. That has 1MB or RAM.
2018-07-23T18:54:40 < Sadale> What's this sort of microcontroller used for?
2018-07-23T18:54:50 < Cracki> which is why a certain someone picked easily sourced, cheap, known parts
2018-07-23T18:55:04 < Cracki> they're probably the last step before you switch to cortex-a
2018-07-23T18:55:17 < Sadale> I see.
2018-07-23T18:55:17 < Cracki> they have a double float FPU even
2018-07-23T18:55:44 < Cracki> use them for anything
2018-07-23T18:56:38 < Sadale> cool! :)
2018-07-23T18:56:46 < Sadale> I wonder if linux can run on this chip.
2018-07-23T18:56:50 < Cracki> of course it can
2018-07-23T18:57:40 < Sadale> raspberry pi zero W is cheaper, tho :P
2018-07-23T18:58:16 < Steffanx> Heavily sponsored.
2018-07-23T18:58:32 < Cracki> broadcom used the raspi to dump their EOL'd stock, didn't they
2018-07-23T18:59:53 < Sadale> lol
2018-07-23T18:59:59 < Sadale> didn't know that.
2018-07-23T19:00:13 < invzim> is that thing brand new?  Would be nice with 256kb flash
2018-07-23T19:00:17 < Cracki> what I'm sure of is that this bcm thing is a gpu with co-processor
2018-07-23T19:00:23 < Cracki> H7 is brand new
2018-07-23T19:00:59 < Thorn> why bother with flash at all, just make it boot from QSPI
2018-07-23T19:01:19 < Cracki> fewer components, if you don't need them
2018-07-23T19:01:31 < Thorn> secret copy protected firmware?
2018-07-23T19:01:33 < Cracki> security features on-chip
2018-07-23T19:02:06 < Cracki> spi can be sniffed, so you'd have to encrypt the firmware and use a bootloader...
2018-07-23T19:02:39 < Cracki> so at the least it'd need a bootloader in ROM or enough flash to put your own on it
2018-07-23T19:03:06 < Cracki> but then, plenty of device manufacturers want the chip maker to preprogram the controllers with firmware (and then burn the do-not-read fuse)
2018-07-23T19:03:42 < Cracki> way easier to let STM take care of that, than some spi flash manufacturer
2018-07-23T19:05:05 < Cracki> they're *controllers*, not processors. they're supposed to contain everything you need except the supply bypass caps
2018-07-23T19:06:12 < Sadale> hmm. right.
2018-07-23T19:08:17 < Cracki> once you jump to cortex-a, *then* you would be well served to use discrete ram, flash, ...
2018-07-23T19:09:03 < Cracki> cortex-m promises more determinism. cortex-a promises performance (stronger pipelining)
2018-07-23T19:09:49 < Cracki> multicore, media peripherals (real gpu, not just this graphics coprocessor the STM32F come with)
2018-07-23T19:11:06 < antto> cortex-m == PVC pipes, cortex-a == brass pipes
2018-07-23T19:12:01 < englishman> tcth: never
2018-07-23T19:12:06 < englishman> but they did send me 1 pic18
2018-07-23T19:12:17 < englishman> on an order of 25 that they split up into 24+1
2018-07-23T19:12:30 < englishman> like 2 weeks after the order went thru and was delivered and i had already built and shipped it
2018-07-23T19:12:37 < tcth> lol
2018-07-23T19:12:55 < Steffanx> Sounds like ➡️
2018-07-23T19:15:11 < tcth> time to watch under-the-dome
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2018-07-23T19:21:26 < englishman> Did you know? RF stands for "rape frequency". Ham Radio Addicts or "HAMS" have been using their bootleg radios to coordinate mass sexual assaults for over 60 years. They use RF to determine pecking order amongst their odious ranks. The higher the "RF" the more rapes the HAM has committed and the higher his status among his fellow radio reprobates.
2018-07-23T19:22:51 < tcth> I´d appreciate if you wouldn´t shitpost in this channel, englishman 
2018-07-23T19:22:58 < tcth> you should feel bad.
2018-07-23T19:23:16 < kakimir> I thought I was reading Laurenceb 
2018-07-23T19:23:27 < tcth> I know, right?
2018-07-23T19:23:31 < Laurenceb> oh wow dat copypasta
2018-07-23T19:23:32 < Laurenceb> my sides
2018-07-23T19:24:15 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNmWq-gNNts
2018-07-23T19:24:38 < tcth> so you got a video of my ex gf
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2018-07-23T19:25:25 < antto> the shitposting seems to jump from person to person.. it's like a curse it seems
2018-07-23T19:25:51 < antto> we need a priest
2018-07-23T19:26:02 < tcth> father steffan
2018-07-23T19:26:06 < antto> pfff
2018-07-23T19:26:09 < Thorn> >A meme is an idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture
2018-07-23T19:26:33 < antto> meme: designed by the devil
2018-07-23T19:27:52 < vampi-the-frog> some ideas pop up spontaneously in disparate cultures and locations
2018-07-23T19:27:56 < vampi-the-frog> those are called archetypes
2018-07-23T19:28:00 < vampi-the-frog> or archetypal ideas
2018-07-23T19:28:06 < tcth> are you talking about the fidget spinners?
2018-07-23T19:28:29 < vampi-the-frog> an example is the idea that your mom is a ho
2018-07-23T19:28:50 < antto> pls, another eggzample
2018-07-23T19:33:58 < Steffanx> Let me make you holy antto 
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2018-07-23T19:34:38 < Steffanx> \o/ _o_ 
2018-07-23T19:34:48 < vampi-the-frog> praise allah
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2018-07-23T19:48:18 < antto> wtf
2018-07-23T19:53:43 < Steffanx> I waa disappointed in you my son antto 
2018-07-23T19:53:52 < antto> why?
2018-07-23T19:54:06 < antto> u had eggspectations? ;P~
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2018-07-23T20:31:39 < Getty> Lowered Expectations... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3k_JvrYsAQ
2018-07-23T20:39:03 < englishman> speaking of lowered expectations, http://kicad-pcb.org/blog/2018/07/KiCad-5--a-new-generation/
2018-07-23T20:39:47 < antto> pls, no bad words for kicad
2018-07-23T20:39:57 < antto> who am i kidding
2018-07-23T20:45:38 < englishman> https://store.arduino.cc/usa/arduino-vidor-4000
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2018-07-23T20:54:05 < jpa-> i wonder why they still kept the non-modern canvas stuff
2018-07-23T20:58:36 < Laurenceb> current year canvas
2018-07-23T20:59:18 < Steffanx> windows version is 1GB. its getting serious
2018-07-23T21:14:16 < jadew> englishman, kicad is getting better
2018-07-23T21:14:40 < jadew> they've re-arranged the settings a bit
2018-07-23T21:15:24 < jadew> I think it'll get colored nets within a year
2018-07-23T21:15:29 < Steffanx> lol, just doing some random stuff and already have a wxWidgets debug alert
2018-07-23T21:15:41 < jadew> Steffanx, in kicad?
2018-07-23T21:15:42 < Steffanx> so its even doing worse than Altium Disaster.
2018-07-23T21:15:43 < Steffanx> Yessir
2018-07-23T21:15:50 < jadew> never got those
2018-07-23T21:15:59 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Curious_Incident_of_the_Dog_in_the_Night-Time
2018-07-23T21:15:59 < jadew> what do you normally use?
2018-07-23T21:16:02 < Steffanx> Im an expert in breaking stuff
2018-07-23T21:16:09 < Laurenceb> >a 15-year-old boy who describes himself as "a mathematician with some behavioural difficulties" living in Swindon, Wiltshire
2018-07-23T21:16:15 < Laurenceb> wait one freaking second
2018-07-23T21:16:21 < esden> Steffanx: it contains all the libraries in the installer that is why it is so large...
2018-07-23T21:16:31 < Steffanx> yes, incl the 3d files
2018-07-23T21:16:32 < Laurenceb> who could that possibly be....
2018-07-23T21:16:33 < esden> including a ton of 3d models
2018-07-23T21:16:37 < jadew> yep
2018-07-23T21:16:43 < jadew> takes a lot to install
2018-07-23T21:16:54 < jadew> they should pack that shit into a single big file
2018-07-23T21:17:24 < Steffanx> time for 3dconnexion support in kicad though
2018-07-23T21:17:25 < esden> contributors are welcome ;)
2018-07-23T21:18:12 < jadew> I've been planning to contribute for quite some time, but I have lots of my own projects to contribute to before I get to kicad
2018-07-23T21:18:27 < Steffanx> lets see if i can reproduce this issue, i probably cat
2018-07-23T21:18:27 < esden> don't we all...
2018-07-23T21:18:28 < Steffanx> cant
2018-07-23T21:19:07 < Steffanx> oh i can
2018-07-23T21:19:09 < esden> I have the feeling that the 3d puck input topic came up before on the dev list...
2018-07-23T21:19:49 < esden> and I do agree that the libraries should not be installed together with the main binary... but have their own tool to download, update and sync...
2018-07-23T21:20:11 < englishman> jadew: i got a "most improved" award once in high school, probably for french class
2018-07-23T21:20:21 < englishman> a) it was incredibly demeaning, and b) nobody gives a fuck
2018-07-23T21:20:33 < Steffanx> tu parle français?
2018-07-23T21:20:36 < Steffanx> parles
2018-07-23T21:20:37 < Steffanx> or whatever
2018-07-23T21:20:40 < esden> but that is quite a project on it's own... just a tarball with all the libs is a problem as it can get out of sync with the version of the kicad binary you have installed ... and that will cause a lot of headaches to those providing user support
2018-07-23T21:24:20 < Steffanx> https://imgur.com/a/H2ZkMyH such broken much.
2018-07-23T21:24:27 < Steffanx> At least it can be ignroed
2018-07-23T21:26:23 < bitmask> copper clad has arrived
2018-07-23T21:30:08 < Steffanx> Hows innovation englishman?
2018-07-23T21:30:23 < englishman> fucking nuts
2018-07-23T21:30:29 < englishman> first day back is today
2018-07-23T21:30:54 < englishman> I need a ceo
2018-07-23T21:31:13 < englishman> someone who has stopped innovating and can do all the boring ceo shit
2018-07-23T21:32:09 < Steffanx> but you have cats.
2018-07-23T21:32:15 < englishman> luckily, everyone else is on holiday now so I have a few weeks of catching up
2018-07-23T21:33:57 < Steffanx> few weeks of CATching up. I see what you did there.
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2018-07-23T21:34:58 < englishman> the cats have been great
2018-07-23T21:35:09 < englishman> they clearly missed us
2018-07-23T21:36:23 < Cracki> requesting catcontent
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2018-07-23T21:51:10 < cpctr> TIME
2018-07-23T21:53:20 < Steffanx> < 5.00 to to sleep
2018-07-23T21:53:26 < Steffanx> *go to
2018-07-23T21:53:56 < zyp> just stop sleeping
2018-07-23T21:54:16 < cpctr> yah im bored of sleeping
2018-07-23T21:54:44 < Cracki> >TIME https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgyCw8mXcAA7TWK.jpg:orig
2018-07-23T21:55:42 < cpctr> let's blow it up 
2018-07-23T21:56:17 < cpctr> the early crt
2018-07-23T21:56:25 < BrainDamage> Cracki: so with some selective biased samples of covers, it is implying that the paper is biased, gotcha
2018-07-23T21:56:26 < Steffanx> but when you do not sleep enough we end up with a stvn that weirds out after he's done with work, cpctr
2018-07-23T21:56:34 < cpctr> lol
2018-07-23T21:56:46 < cpctr> the innovation
2018-07-23T21:56:59 < BrainDamage> the real steven is high on capacitor electrolythes
2018-07-23T21:57:28 < BrainDamage> zinc something, zinc disulphate perhaps?
2018-07-23T21:57:28 < Steffanx> is there a real stvn?
2018-07-23T21:57:42 < cpctr> high off the globe
2018-07-23T21:58:37 < Steffanx> u235
2018-07-23T21:58:40 < BrainDamage> yes, the one that PMs you and asks if he's writing too much insanity in chat
2018-07-23T21:58:54 < cpctr> stffn, the good stuff
2018-07-23T21:58:57 < Steffanx> He does that BrainDamage?
2018-07-23T21:59:03 < BrainDamage> he did, a few times
2018-07-23T21:59:07 < Steffanx> lol
2018-07-23T21:59:22 < Steffanx> in my pm messages he is kinda the same as here.
2018-07-23T21:59:23 < cpctr> i must have been bored that day
2018-07-23T21:59:35 < cpctr> if you were to read it your brain would melt
2018-07-23T21:59:40 < Steffanx> haha yes
2018-07-23T22:00:08 < cpctr> 'fission products'
2018-07-23T22:01:35 < cpctr> i think my madness was conceived through the art of repairing italian speakers
2018-07-23T22:02:55 < BrainDamage> such as?
2018-07-23T22:03:47 < cpctr> The dogs
2018-07-23T22:03:59 < BrainDamage> that's not a brand
2018-07-23T22:04:26 < cpctr> Db technologies
2018-07-23T22:05:04 < BrainDamage> holy crap, that's a pile of shit
2018-07-23T22:05:16 < BrainDamage> I can't even imagine them going internationally
2018-07-23T22:06:18 < cpctr> Well their stuff ends up in other more well known brands
2018-07-23T22:06:37 < cpctr> And that’s where the trouble started
2018-07-23T22:06:59 < Steffanx> the dutch class-d amplifiers make all speakers great.
2018-07-23T22:07:12 < cpctr> Hypex are decent
2018-07-23T22:07:35 < cpctr> The UCD modules are cheap too
2018-07-23T22:07:37 < Steffanx> i heard their production line is crappy.
2018-07-23T22:07:48 < cpctr> It would be
2018-07-23T22:07:56 < Steffanx> and it's like a single guy that kinda runs their entire engineering department.
2018-07-23T22:08:01 < Steffanx> as in, knows it all.
2018-07-23T22:08:03 < cpctr> That’s what decent is in pro audio lol
2018-07-23T22:08:43 < BrainDamage> good old bus factor of 1
2018-07-23T22:09:02 < BrainDamage> on the other hand, you can ensure they can't replace you
2018-07-23T22:09:26 < cpctr> But yeah it was $30aud for a spare UCD board instead of $300 like other brands
2018-07-23T22:09:35 < cpctr> EV use those boards
2018-07-23T22:09:47 < Steffanx> i should visit hypex for you cpctr
2018-07-23T22:09:50 < Steffanx> is actually pretty close to me
2018-07-23T22:09:53 < cpctr> Yeah
2018-07-23T22:10:30 < cpctr> They make a decent 2 quadrant smps for half bridge class-d stuff
2018-07-23T22:11:42 < Steffanx> neve rbeen to hypex myself, but i hear some stories from interns that interned there before.
2018-07-23T22:12:07 < cpctr> Were they wearing wooden shoes?
2018-07-23T22:12:56 < cpctr> I should have asked trev’s gf if she wore them too
2018-07-23T22:13:19 < Steffanx> yes, and they grew tulips
2018-07-23T22:13:27 < cpctr> Cool
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2018-07-23T22:19:10 < cpctr> Woaaaaaaaaa
2018-07-23T22:19:16 < cpctr> Man
2018-07-23T22:32:09 < Steffanx> spotted cpctr: https://i.imgflip.com/lp2ba.jpg
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2018-07-23T23:05:37 < cpctr> Ole cat
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2018-07-23T23:16:20 < bitmask> someone do my work
2018-07-23T23:17:31 < Steffanx> we told you to not do your own pcbs :P
2018-07-23T23:17:42 < bitmask> hah not that, school work
2018-07-23T23:18:11 < Cracki> find someone with glasses and bully him into it
2018-07-23T23:18:17 < Cracki> or ask nicely
2018-07-23T23:18:31 < bitmask> Cracki: do my work now or i'll shove you in a locker
2018-07-23T23:18:32 < Steffanx> do you have glasses Cracki?
2018-07-23T23:18:49 < Cracki> no, guess why :>
2018-07-23T23:19:02 < Steffanx> got bullied and went for contact lenses?
2018-07-23T23:19:19 < jadew> lol
2018-07-23T23:19:34 < Cracki> slightly, and cba to take care of that little bit of near-sightedness 
2018-07-23T23:20:15  * bitmask is glad his eyes don't suck
2018-07-23T23:20:37  * Steffanx is sad his eyes suck
2018-07-23T23:20:51 < Cracki> my eyes are just fine for the important stuff: computer work
2018-07-23T23:21:08 < Steffanx> * ##stm32
2018-07-23T23:21:37 < Cracki> implying everyone here isn't a computer
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2018-07-23T23:22:24 < Steffanx> i wouldnt know.
2018-07-23T23:22:42 < Cracki> some are probably dogs.
2018-07-23T23:24:00 < Steffanx> "the dogs"
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2018-07-23T23:38:04 < cpctr> Lol
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2018-07-23T23:38:34 < cpctr> The dynamic ziggo
2018-07-23T23:39:11 < kakimir> friends electric previa works
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2018-07-23T23:39:39 < kakimir> it was so funny I'm still smiling when I think of the comic sight
2018-07-23T23:41:46 < Steffanx> i can only imagine.
2018-07-23T23:44:07 < cpctr> I need a widget I can plug 10 thermocouples into and log data
2018-07-23T23:46:00 < kakimir> what interface?
2018-07-23T23:47:44 < cpctr> i was hoping someone would know
2018-07-23T23:48:21 < cpctr> https://au.omega.com/pptst/OM-CP-OCTTEMP-A.html
2018-07-23T23:48:30 < cpctr> cool its COMPENSATED
2018-07-23T23:48:35 < englishman> raspberry pi
2018-07-23T23:49:26 < cpctr> yes!!
2018-07-23T23:49:34 < kakimir> I would build or buy i2c modules
2018-07-23T23:49:37 < Cracki> "interface" is ADC for the couples
2018-07-23T23:49:52 < cpctr> gah 
2018-07-23T23:49:59 < kakimir> with compensated k-type or whatever type ics
2018-07-23T23:50:04 < kakimir> and connectors
2018-07-23T23:50:10 < kakimir> then stack them and raspberry
2018-07-23T23:50:12 < cpctr> i just want me fucken turnkey box to plug the cunts into
2018-07-23T23:50:17 < Cracki> pay money
2018-07-23T23:50:22 < cpctr> someone else will
2018-07-23T23:50:49 < cpctr> a crafty grey cat
2018-07-23T23:51:35 < cpctr> pays to have one around when innovation strikes
2018-07-23T23:51:56 < bitmask> quality psus are heavy, I hope this lack table can hold a mean well :)
2018-07-23T23:52:03 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNnBrekNtbkYtWms/view?usp=sharing weird shit I did back in the days
2018-07-23T23:52:07 < Cracki> it's cardboard, if course it will
2018-07-23T23:52:30 < kakimir> never used it
2018-07-23T23:52:47 < cpctr> looks kinda cool
2018-07-23T23:52:52 < kakimir> yes
2018-07-23T23:52:53 < Cracki> attiny, whyyy
2018-07-23T23:52:54 < kakimir> but it's shit
2018-07-23T23:53:12 < kakimir> I wanted it to work as 1wire device too
2018-07-23T23:53:17 < kakimir> what the shit
2018-07-23T23:53:35 < kakimir> if I did that nowdays lpc1111 all the way
2018-07-23T23:53:36 < cpctr> oh wells
2018-07-23T23:53:37 < Cracki> so you want modules that are adc-to-1wire?
2018-07-23T23:53:44 < cpctr> you can always better luck next time it
2018-07-23T23:54:03 < kakimir> I don'
2018-07-23T23:54:05 < kakimir> t
2018-07-23T23:54:13 < kakimir> know.. maybe that board would be workable
2018-07-23T23:54:22 < kakimir> but I don't even have the files anymore
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2018-07-23T23:54:28 < cpctr> buy the expensive australian box mate
2018-07-23T23:54:45 < cpctr> give that a shiner
2018-07-23T23:55:01 < kakimir> I still kinda like the vision about marking the converter type with solder to testpoint
2018-07-23T23:55:16 < kakimir> which I did
2018-07-23T23:55:20 < kakimir> *what
2018-07-23T23:55:48 < cpctr> put some SMBs on it
2018-07-23T23:56:01 < kakimir> and multiple connector layout - kinky
2018-07-23T23:56:22 < kakimir> and very cool expensives connectors
2018-07-23T23:56:32 < cpctr> you can
2018-07-23T23:57:53 < kakimir> that was the time I had more vision than skill
2018-07-23T23:59:34 < cpctr> the aluminium extrusion
2018-07-23T23:59:46 < kakimir> yes
2018-07-23T23:59:59 < kakimir> hide the shit
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2018-07-24T00:00:04 < kakimir> inside a case
2018-07-24T00:00:21 < kakimir> you are genious cpctr 
2018-07-24T00:00:33 < cpctr> why not
2018-07-24T00:00:45 < kakimir> I should always listen to you
2018-07-24T00:01:08 < kakimir> your ramble is just a stream of good ideas
2018-07-24T00:01:51 < cpctr> do everything kakimir 
2018-07-24T00:02:16 < kakimir> that is like.. what I have been thinking the whole time
2018-07-24T00:02:21 < kakimir> do everything
2018-07-24T00:02:59 < kakimir> but
2018-07-24T00:03:11 < kakimir> how to prioritize.. it's quite a lot of stuff
2018-07-24T00:04:11 < kakimir> whenever I think about doing everything I get super anxious
2018-07-24T00:04:37 < kakimir> and end up doing nothing but the least
2018-07-24T00:12:04 < Cracki> wat
2018-07-24T00:15:22 < cpctr> cracki he's going on a kaki rant
2018-07-24T00:15:49 < Cracki> planning helps against anxiety
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2018-07-24T00:19:10 < cpctr> welcome
2018-07-24T00:33:36 < cpctr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/pZI6Z1io/sup.PNG
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2018-07-24T00:42:16 < cpctr> Hi
2018-07-24T00:43:02 < Steffanx> I believe some hw engineer at work had some obscure box for it once.
2018-07-24T00:43:14 < Steffanx> Let me get back to you
2018-07-24T00:43:25 < Steffanx> Better remind me tomorrow
2018-07-24T00:43:40 < Steffanx> My tomorrow
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2018-07-24T00:46:22 < Laurenceb> sup
2018-07-24T00:46:32 < Laurenceb> I like muh obscure box
2018-07-24T00:46:44 < Laurenceb> this was my suggestions as an alternative for muh gui
2018-07-24T00:46:58 < Laurenceb> muh obscure box with green and red led on it
2018-07-24T00:47:02 < Laurenceb> for win and fail
2018-07-24T00:47:06 < Steffanx> https://www.picotech.com/data-logger/tc-08/thermocouple-data-logger in my memory it was even cheaper.
2018-07-24T00:47:25 < Steffanx> And 10 channels
2018-07-24T00:47:36 < Steffanx> But my memory was corrupted
2018-07-24T00:48:56 < Steffanx> Mr cpctr 
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2018-07-24T00:53:14 < cpctr> I’ll look
2018-07-24T01:05:16 < sync> oh that is quite a nice unit Steffanx
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2018-07-24T01:11:45 < cpctr> 8ch will be fine
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2018-07-24T01:13:03 < englishman> you know it's pro because when you go to download it, Windows is at the top
2018-07-24T01:15:12 < cpctr> Heh
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2018-07-24T01:50:58 < jadew> I guess now it's not a good time to buy a capacitor kit?
2018-07-24T01:58:08 < tct__> why is Steffanx not around?
2018-07-24T01:58:12 < tct__> I need the steffan
2018-07-24T01:58:57 < jadew> probably sleeping
2018-07-24T01:59:43 < tct__> but why :(
2018-07-24T02:00:19 < zyp> tct__, I'll go check on him for you
2018-07-24T02:00:28 < zyp> hope you can wait a week
2018-07-24T02:00:28 < tct__> thanks mr. zyp, much appreciated!
2018-07-24T02:00:33 < tct__> q__q
2018-07-24T02:00:47 < jadew> anyone bought a resistor kit recently?
2018-07-24T02:01:56 < jadew> this looks nice, but incomplete: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-0603-SMD-Resistor-Kit-Sample-Book-170-Values-8500pcs-Assortment-1/322946502887
2018-07-24T02:03:18 < jadew> it's E24
2018-07-24T02:03:24 < jadew> I want E96
2018-07-24T02:03:51 < jadew> (at the same price :P)
2018-07-24T02:05:31 < jadew> I basically want this, but at 1/4 the price if possible: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aidetek-SMD-SMT-0603-1-E96-resistor-kit-492-values-100pc-ROHS-filled-4-BOX-ALL/283068385576
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2018-07-24T02:08:14 < Cracki> what is last price
2018-07-24T02:08:29 < jadew> in american money?
2018-07-24T02:08:41 < jadew> 470
2018-07-24T02:09:09 < jadew> I don't care about the packaging
2018-07-24T02:09:16 < jadew> the little book thing works fine
2018-07-24T02:09:24 < Cracki> hey, *you* wanted to barter
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2018-07-24T02:14:36 < jadew> wtf... is the situation similar for resistors as it is for capacitors?
2018-07-24T02:15:36 < jadew> $1.3 for 10 fucking 0603 resistors?
2018-07-24T02:15:58 < jadew> ah, nvm, that's if you buy one
2018-07-24T02:16:16 < jadew> if I buy 10, it's less 25c
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2018-07-24T02:17:54 < Cracki> do a linear fit
2018-07-24T02:18:07 < jadew> what's that?
2018-07-24T02:18:12 < Cracki> ax+b
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2018-07-24T03:26:52 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/6dc611d6eb/127170.png
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2018-07-24T03:29:44 < Rickta59> :)
2018-07-24T03:29:57 < Rickta59> he is so sublte
2018-07-24T03:30:12 < Rickta59> subtle
2018-07-24T03:30:47 < Cracki> love the pixels
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2018-07-24T04:17:36 < dongs> since when does twatter allow such bullshit long lines of crap
2018-07-24T04:22:18 < aandrew> whoa laurenceb quit... 
2018-07-24T04:22:23  * aandrew checks the sky for flying pigs
2018-07-24T04:22:40 < jadew> dongs, you know it's legit because of the little blue flower with the checkmark
2018-07-24T04:26:53 < jadew> I used a sponge with water for the first time, can't believe how great it is
2018-07-24T04:27:14 < jadew> I always had it in the holder, but never used it, I always went for the steel wool
2018-07-24T04:33:17 < aandrew> jadew: I really, really dislike the sponge with water
2018-07-24T04:33:29 < aandrew> I have that brass wool (not normal steel wool) and it's much nicer
2018-07-24T04:34:22 < aandrew> jadew: regarding resistor/cap kits: I just bought oldschool film negative sleeves and have to cut up the cut tape I have and slide them in
2018-07-24T04:34:42 < jadew> aandrew, yeah, brass wool
2018-07-24T04:34:50 < jadew> I've only been using that since forever
2018-07-24T04:35:23 < jadew> but I started using my other station with leaded solder and had to clean my tip with something
2018-07-24T04:35:27 < aandrew> jadew: https://www.printfile.com/35-7b_25.aspx
2018-07-24T04:35:30 < jadew> and it's not bad... it cleans really really well
2018-07-24T04:35:43 < jadew> also I think there's something about the thermal shock that helps somehow but I don't have enough info on that
2018-07-24T04:35:47 < aandrew> I find the water sponge cools the tip and ends up making it fail earlier
2018-07-24T04:35:56 < aandrew> the brass wool seems to do a fine job
2018-07-24T04:35:58 < aandrew> mind you
2018-07-24T04:36:03 < aandrew> I think the tip is the real difference
2018-07-24T04:36:18 < aandrew> my ancient weller wes51 isn't NEARLY as good as my metcal
2018-07-24T04:36:36 < jadew> aandrew, I would hope so
2018-07-24T04:36:37 < aandrew> the metcal just never seems to oxidize or when it does, has a thin thin layer that the brass wool knocks off easily
2018-07-24T04:36:48 < jadew> ah, neat
2018-07-24T04:36:50 < aandrew> whereas the weller tip seems to oxidize much "deeper" or thicker
2018-07-24T04:37:39 < jadew> regarding the resistors, isn't that more expensive?
2018-07-24T04:37:50 < jadew> having to buy them all separately
2018-07-24T04:38:30 < jadew> luckily I found some that were close enough and I'll get exact values with my next mouser order, but I'd like to have most values (if not all) at hand
2018-07-24T04:38:35 < aandrew> dude I have so many fucking resistors and capacitors
2018-07-24T04:38:47 < jadew> me too, but I don't have them all
2018-07-24T04:38:47 < aandrew> I have started buying entire reels because they're so cheap
2018-07-24T04:39:19 < aandrew> I dont' have everything, no, but I want to organize the sleeves for standard E96/E192 and then I know exactly which ones I'd end up buying
2018-07-24T04:39:39 < jadew> how do you deal with the fact that they're too wide?
2018-07-24T04:39:40 < aandrew> but I think I need to be a little smarter and allocate multiple "rows" of the sleeve for some values
2018-07-24T04:39:46 < aandrew> too wide?
2018-07-24T04:39:49 < jadew> will you just stuff them all in?
2018-07-24T04:39:50 < jadew> the sleeves
2018-07-24T04:40:41 < jadew> I basically just need a couple of them from each value, say 50 or 100, so if I'd do that, I wouldn't plan on filling multiple sleeves with the same value
2018-07-24T04:41:42 < jadew> (if I did what you suggested with the film pages)
2018-07-24T04:43:07 < jadew> (I don't plan to use them for production, just for experimenting)
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2018-07-24T04:43:57 < aandrew> well I would only fill the sleeve to capacity and then rely on my current solution of a "resistor box" with all the cut tape in it for the overflows
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2018-07-24T05:03:11 < jadew> best thing I did all day: http://86.121.143.154/stuff/20180724_045920.jpg
2018-07-24T05:05:00 < aandrew> you made a 2:1 jumper?
2018-07-24T05:05:06 < jadew> yeah
2018-07-24T05:06:23 < jadew> I made a test board for an IC with two power pins and for some reason I decided to have separate headers for each power pin, instead of tying them to the same one
2018-07-24T05:06:39 < jadew> and they're not internally connected
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2018-07-24T05:21:50 < jadew> was wondering where the short was... http://86.121.143.154/stuff/20180724_051926.jpg
2018-07-24T05:22:44 < jadew> brought to you by... <drum roll>
2018-07-24T05:22:46 < englishman> i also need the steffan
2018-07-24T05:22:48 < jadew> elecrow
2018-07-24T05:23:47 < jadew> scratch that
2018-07-24T05:23:50 < jadew> it's not their fault
2018-07-24T05:23:55 < jadew> s/elecrow/kicad
2018-07-24T05:24:01 < jadew> /
2018-07-24T05:24:12 < jadew> looks like the gerbers are like taht
2018-07-24T05:24:17 < jadew> but only for two of those pins
2018-07-24T05:24:32 < jadew> maybe it's my fault
2018-07-24T05:25:00 < jadew> yes it is
2018-07-24T05:25:22 < jadew> I didn't click "check DRC" after moving those pins a little
2018-07-24T05:25:32 < jadew> and it didn't refill some zones
2018-07-24T05:25:41 < jadew> I think it should have done that when I exported the gerbers...
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2018-07-24T06:20:34 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.instagram.com/p/Bleqj5Dgibq/
2018-07-24T07:03:33 < jadew> lol, ebay just confused me with someone else
2018-07-24T07:03:45 < jadew> I bought something and now it shows me logged in as another guy
2018-07-24T07:04:04 < jadew> different name, different username, correct feedback tho
2018-07-24T07:04:34 < jadew> only on the confirmation page tho
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2018-07-24T08:20:19 < machinehum> o_O
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2018-07-24T08:49:20 < Steffanx> tct_: ...
2018-07-24T08:49:24 < Steffanx> tct__: ....
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2018-07-24T10:00:26 < Steffanx> Need waffles englishman ?
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2018-07-24T10:03:42 < cpctr> cpctr mate
2018-07-24T10:04:33  * Haohmaru applies 3.3V to cpctr
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2018-07-24T10:08:38 < cpctr> That would be useful
2018-07-24T10:09:15 < Haohmaru> that's your energy drink
2018-07-24T10:11:50 < cpctr> Where is tectu
2018-07-24T10:12:08 < Steffanx> 🛌
2018-07-24T10:12:32 < Steffanx> So got yourself a picologger mr cpctr?
2018-07-24T10:22:30 < cpctr> Yeah I’ll grab one later tonight
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2018-07-24T10:30:00 < cpctr> get me a logger 
2018-07-24T10:30:10 < cpctr> it has linux support
2018-07-24T10:31:25 < Haohmaru> nice
2018-07-24T10:32:44 < cpctr> greeting R2
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2018-07-24T11:25:26 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-07-24T11:25:27 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 30.1°C but feels like 33°C. Humidity: 58%.
2018-07-24T11:25:36 < Haohmaru> !wz varna
2018-07-24T11:25:39 < englishbot> [Varna, Bulgaria] Scattered Clouds. Temp is 25.0°C. Humidity: 65%.
2018-07-24T11:25:49 < Haohmaru> gud.. gud
2018-07-24T11:25:53 < Steffanx> 58% is too f*cking high
2018-07-24T11:26:04 < Haohmaru> no shizzle
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2018-07-24T11:31:01 < Haohmaru> Steffanx look, it's so hot.. u can see a mirage
2018-07-24T11:32:11 < Haohmaru> !wz north pole
2018-07-24T11:32:12 < englishbot> [North Pole, Alaska] Clear. Temp is 15.9°C. WSW wind: 1.6 kph. Humidity: 81%.
2018-07-24T11:32:45 < Haohmaru> the sh*t must be melting there
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2018-07-24T11:38:46 < cpctr> got an irc bot loicence
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2018-07-24T13:41:37 < englishman> 93% here
2018-07-24T13:45:31 < Steffanx> Welcome the englishman
2018-07-24T13:46:08 < englishman> ordered a chinese ev charger
2018-07-24T13:46:25 < englishman> $165 for 16A, $210 for 32A
2018-07-24T13:46:35 < englishman> charge current set with RFID cards
2018-07-24T13:49:08 < Steffanx> I never sure what to think when someone says: "chinese"
2018-07-24T13:49:53 < Steffanx> I know how bad my not too cheap chinese 3d printet was.
2018-07-24T13:50:14 < Steffanx> Cannot imagine a cheaper than that EV charger is much better
2018-07-24T13:56:07 < englishman> it's just some dumb handshake and a gfci behind a circuit that already has gfci
2018-07-24T13:56:24 < englishman> the actual charging is done in the car
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2018-07-24T14:21:54 < Steffanx> Oh. Hm
2018-07-24T14:22:36 < tct__> Steffanx, sup? I was sheeping
2018-07-24T14:24:14 < Steffanx> Idk, you mentioned me sir mr tct__ 
2018-07-24T14:24:27 < tct__> I dreamed about you
2018-07-24T14:24:37 < jpa-> i didn't know tct was into sheeps
2018-07-24T14:24:38 < tct__> of you? what´s the correct grammar here?
2018-07-24T14:24:55 < tct__> noboy sheeps more than the tectu
2018-07-24T14:25:34 < karlp> jadew: these guys make great kits: http://smtzone.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=store01&Category_Code=280
2018-07-24T14:25:42 < karlp> nice boxes
2018-07-24T14:26:25 < tct__> how´s jpa- ?
2018-07-24T14:26:41 < Steffanx> jpa- is jpa
2018-07-24T14:27:36 < tct__> I wish that people would share more love in this channel
2018-07-24T14:27:41 < tct__> I like you all guys, seriously.
2018-07-24T14:27:48 < Steffanx> But.
2018-07-24T14:28:22 < Steffanx> (everything before "but" is horseshit)
2018-07-24T14:28:40 < tct__> why are you so angry, steffan?
2018-07-24T14:29:10 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-07-24T14:29:12 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 31.8°C. SW wind: 1.6 kph.
2018-07-24T14:29:12 < Steffanx> ^
2018-07-24T14:29:26 < tct__> !wz Sion
2018-07-24T14:29:27 < englishbot> [Sion, Switzerland] Scattered Clouds. Temp is 21.3°C. North wind: 2.9 kph. Humidity: 53%.
2018-07-24T14:29:44 < Haohmaru> so, tct__, try again in the winter
2018-07-24T14:30:01 < tct__> I like him how he is - no matter what season it is
2018-07-24T14:30:54 < englishman> I remember tectu
2018-07-24T14:30:58 < englishman> the innovator
2018-07-24T14:31:01 < englishman> rip
2018-07-24T14:31:28 < tct__> only rip for two weeks :)
2018-07-24T14:31:30 < Haohmaru> what's the opposite of "innovator" ?
2018-07-24T14:31:35 < englishman> lost to the bizfags
2018-07-24T14:31:39 < englishman> maker
2018-07-24T14:31:46 < tct__> lol´d hard @ maker
2018-07-24T14:31:50 < tct__> englishman, nope, that´s not true.
2018-07-24T14:31:51 < Haohmaru> now now.. ;P~
2018-07-24T14:32:04 < tct__> englishman, I hired people that take care of all the biz crap. I´m innovating all day long (seriously)
2018-07-24T14:32:16 < tct__> englishman, I only put up with the biz shit if something went wrong
2018-07-24T14:32:28 < tct__> other than that I sit in my CEO office and innovate the fuck out of altium & GCC
2018-07-24T14:34:01 < Haohmaru> i guess i'm "making" sh*t all day
2018-07-24T14:34:26 < Steffanx> And Steam?
2018-07-24T14:34:43 < tct__> Steffanx :p
2018-07-24T14:35:07 < Steffanx> englishman hows innovating the assembly line? 
2018-07-24T14:35:10 < tct__> is anybody in here playing overwatch?
2018-07-24T14:35:23 < tct__> englishman just got SMS notified that the bare PCBs are ready to shit
2018-07-24T14:35:27 < tct__> ship*
2018-07-24T14:35:50 < Haohmaru> who's gonna wipe them afterwards?
2018-07-24T14:36:00 < Haohmaru> <notgonbme.gif>
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2018-07-24T14:51:56 < tct__> who exactly are you, Mr. Haohmaru ?
2018-07-24T14:52:34 < Haohmaru> no, who are YOU eggzactly, tct__?
2018-07-24T14:52:37 < Haohmaru> ;P~
2018-07-24T14:53:08 < tct__> don´t do that, Sir.
2018-07-24T14:53:11 < tct__> just tell me who you are
2018-07-24T14:53:14 < tct__> are you the new cool kid?
2018-07-24T14:53:16 < tct__> are you the new dongs?
2018-07-24T14:53:31 < Haohmaru> nope, and definately nope
2018-07-24T14:55:15 < tct__> so who are you, Sir?
2018-07-24T14:55:28 < Haohmaru> just no one
2018-07-24T14:55:38 < tct__> everybody is someone
2018-07-24T14:55:43 < tct__> everybody is something special
2018-07-24T14:55:50 < Haohmaru> pfff
2018-07-24T14:55:59 < Haohmaru> but some are moar special
2018-07-24T14:56:27 < Haohmaru> speshul
2018-07-24T14:56:34 < tct__> do you need to be somebody more special?
2018-07-24T14:57:13 < Haohmaru> i need..
2018-07-24T14:57:18 < Haohmaru> moar time
2018-07-24T14:57:30 < tct__> may I ask where you´re from, Sir?
2018-07-24T14:57:40 < Haohmaru> bg
2018-07-24T14:58:05 < tct__> that´s close enough
2018-07-24T14:58:07 < Haohmaru> aka <nowhere> in the middle of europe
2018-07-24T14:58:07 < tct__> wanna go for a beer?
2018-07-24T14:58:24 < Haohmaru> i don't drink beer
2018-07-24T14:58:40 < tct__> q__q
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2018-07-24T15:00:13 < Haohmaru> if you're a friend with yourself only, then can you technically be a friendofafriend ?
2018-07-24T15:00:25 < friendofafriend> It recurses.
2018-07-24T15:00:30 < tct__> I am not sure where this is going
2018-07-24T15:00:39 < Haohmaru> neither am i
2018-07-24T15:00:54 < friendofafriend> Have any of you worked with the Amazon Dash button?
2018-07-24T15:00:56 < tct__> you shouldn´t initiate things you´re not sure about how they end
2018-07-24T15:01:06 < tct__> friendofafriend, I only know that it´s a piece of shit
2018-07-24T15:01:13 < tct__> it doesn´t send a proper message over ethernet
2018-07-24T15:01:17 < Haohmaru> tct__ sure, but i make mistakes
2018-07-24T15:01:19 < tct__> it just sends an ARP
2018-07-24T15:01:39 < tct__> but it itself does not talk ARP
2018-07-24T15:01:39 < friendofafriend> It's an STM32 that can be reprogrammed, right?
2018-07-24T15:01:58 < friendofafriend> I know the wifi uses some commercial SDK.
2018-07-24T15:01:58 < tct__> that I do not know. Once I figured that the thing does just send a random frame I looked a different direction
2018-07-24T15:02:21 < tct__> if you need an STM32 smart button I´d recommend you to buy an STM32 and an ALPS button
2018-07-24T15:02:44 < Haohmaru> mmm ALPS
2018-07-24T15:02:45 < friendofafriend> Ah.  I thought they'd be quite popular here.  Nice to have everything in a housing and powered from an included AAA battery.
2018-07-24T15:03:00 < tct__> may I ask what your goal is?
2018-07-24T15:03:16 < friendofafriend> Panic button for grandma.
2018-07-24T15:03:44 < Haohmaru> wifi :~(
2018-07-24T15:04:09 < friendofafriend> If grandma's out of wifi range, she's not my problem anymore.
2018-07-24T15:04:47 < tct__> friendofafriend, there are some decent 5$ to 15$-ish things that use GSM for that 
2018-07-24T15:05:26 < tct__> http://95.154.220.113/~taskltd/images/companies/1/www.taskltd.com_Coffee%20Black%20Trigger%20copy.jpg
2018-07-24T15:05:29 < tct__> just look at how happy she is
2018-07-24T15:05:36 < tct__> not to have an amazon dash button around her wrist
2018-07-24T15:06:04 < friendofafriend> That looks like it might explode and take her wrist off.
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2018-07-24T15:06:21 < tct__> at leas amazon won´t share you
2018-07-24T15:06:46 < tct__> I do not remember the details, but our company lawyer dude said something about amazon actively suing people that use it for anything other than their intended purpose
2018-07-24T15:06:59 < friendofafriend> I just think a Dash button labelled "Tide" around grandma's wrist (neck) would let people know she'd wandered off the reservation.
2018-07-24T15:07:00 < tct__> I might be wrong though, quite some time ago
2018-07-24T15:07:45 < tct__> just knot some rope around her wrist and have a long self-spooling drum of said rope whereever she should be
2018-07-24T15:07:49 < friendofafriend> Amazon does sell an "IoT" version of the Dash button for $20, that I imagine is sanctioned for this purpose.  But for that price grandma could be rocking a Raspberry Pi.
2018-07-24T15:07:56 < tct__> motorize for auto-rewinding for maximum efficiency
2018-07-24T15:08:13 < tct__> ah yes, that´s right! the 20$ version allows you to do that indeed.
2018-07-24T15:08:31 < friendofafriend> I'd like to preserve a little dignity.  Just some.  And I don't have $20, moreso for Bezos.
2018-07-24T15:09:33 < emeryth> buy a chinese esp8266 board for $5
2018-07-24T15:09:34 < tct__> I see
2018-07-24T15:09:46 < tct__> I still don´t see why wifi would help
2018-07-24T15:09:53 < tct__> whenever she´s in wifi range you should be able to find her, no?
2018-07-24T15:10:08 < friendofafriend> She could be hiding, tct__.  She's quite playful.
2018-07-24T15:10:09 < tct__> or does her residence have some 10km^2 wifi?
2018-07-24T15:10:28 < tct__> in that case you need a wrist band which delivers electrical shock, not a panic button :p
2018-07-24T15:10:46 < tct__> if she´s actively hiding she wouldn´t press the panic button?
2018-07-24T15:10:50 < friendofafriend> And I do have ESP8266s, the ESP-01 is only a couple bucks, but I can't power it from one AAA.
2018-07-24T15:10:53 < tct__> disclaimer: tectu doesn´t know much about elderly people
2018-07-24T15:11:24 < friendofafriend> She's already got a pacemaker for that, tectu.
2018-07-24T15:11:56 < tct__> friendofafriend, I see
2018-07-24T15:12:08 < tct__> friendofafriend, but I still don´t understand how a panic button would help if she´s actively hiding
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2018-07-24T15:13:25 < friendofafriend> In case she gets lost.  It's really just to make me feel better.
2018-07-24T15:13:38 < friendofafriend> I could check her RSSI.
2018-07-24T15:14:51 < tct__> I´m afraid I won´t have much to contribute then, sorry mate.
2018-07-24T15:17:03 < marble_visions> hi all, experimenting with stm32f030, the RM says that setting the SPI1_RST bit in the RCC_APB2RSTR register resets the peripheral, and that clearing the bit has no effect. but the bit is not autoclearing and clearly you have to reset it to get spi1 out of reset state
2018-07-24T15:17:45 < marble_visions> so i'm guessing that's an error in the refman?
2018-07-24T15:17:46 < jpa-> where does it claim "clearing the bit has no effect"
2018-07-24T15:18:16 < jpa-> the "0: No effect"   means that when the bit is 0, it has no effect on the peripheral
2018-07-24T15:18:27 < jpa-> but if you leave the bit at 1, it of course is not 0, so it will have an effect
2018-07-24T15:19:02 < tct__> if auto-clearing is the intended way but it´s not working: check that the peripheral is actually clocked
2018-07-24T15:19:21 < jpa-> (it's not, it says "Set and cleared by software"
2018-07-24T15:19:38 < marble_visions> jpa-: alright, so i've misunderstood.. the wording implies autoclearing at least for me
2018-07-24T15:19:50 < marble_visions> tct__:  it is clocked, yes.
2018-07-24T15:19:55 < jpa-> yeah, it takes some time to get used how the refman says things
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2018-07-24T15:22:59 < Steffanx> It takes more time to get used to how ##stm32 says things
2018-07-24T15:23:04 < marble_visions> jpa-: tct__: thanks for the info!
2018-07-24T15:23:07 < marble_visions> Steffanx: haha
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2018-07-24T15:28:35 < Haohmaru> don't laught, that's the truth
2018-07-24T15:28:55 < Haohmaru> it's the stm32-ish dialect here
2018-07-24T15:28:56 < tct__> marble_visions, no worries, mate
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2018-07-24T15:36:36 < con3> Can anyone sign into the stm community forum..?
2018-07-24T15:38:03 < tct__> I assume it´s just horribly slow as always?
2018-07-24T15:38:37 < con3> tct__: Looks like there moving it to some new platform. It's going ape shit when I try to login
2018-07-24T15:39:38 < con3> I just want to know where I can get more clarification on what each timer dma request does. like Timx_UP, Timx_CH1, TIMx_Trig,etc. I can't seem to find it in the manuals
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2018-07-24T15:41:12 < jpa-> con3: they all do the same thing (trigger DMA), but at different times
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2018-07-24T15:42:36 < con3> jpa-: Thank you for the reply. Is there any explanation anywhere of what these times are. 
2018-07-24T15:43:53 < jpa-> dunno
2018-07-24T15:44:04 < con3> hmm.. ill dig around some more.
2018-07-24T15:44:08 < con3> thank you
2018-07-24T15:44:11 < Thorn> con3: UP is update event (counter restart), CH* are capture/compare events
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2018-07-24T15:47:21 < con3> Thorn: Maybe I could just ask directly. I want to perform a dma transfer every time overflow occurs. I'll be using a output compare on channel 2 of timer 8. this would then refer to me using Tim8_CH2 to perform the dma transfer?
2018-07-24T15:48:06 < Steffanx> con3 ##stm32 is in no official way related to the st.com
2018-07-24T15:48:29 < Steffanx> Should add a channel disclaimer
2018-07-24T15:48:42 < jpa-> con3: update event would be the one that occurs at overflow
2018-07-24T15:48:43 < Haohmaru> you already have a bunch of them
2018-07-24T15:48:47 < Thorn> con3: if you mean CCR2 overflow then yes
2018-07-24T15:48:54 < Haohmaru> living, talking disclaimers
2018-07-24T15:49:04 < Thorn> but normally 'timer overflow' refers to the UP event
2018-07-24T15:49:06 < Steffanx> Like antto 
2018-07-24T15:49:07 < con3> ah, not a irc for asking stm questions?
2018-07-24T15:49:44 < con3> Thorn: It works on UP but not tim8_ch2, thats why I was wondering, so UP event, would be correct for overflow. thanks!
2018-07-24T15:50:27 < Haohmaru> con3 more like.. ST doesn't pay anyone here to sit and answer questions
2018-07-24T15:50:44 < Haohmaru> but who knows whether that's 100% true
2018-07-24T15:51:01 < con3> Haohmaru: Completely get that. But no issue if I pop in and ask a question or two?
2018-07-24T15:51:14 < Haohmaru> surely not
2018-07-24T15:51:32 < Haohmaru> just be prepared to witness some annomalies
2018-07-24T15:51:40 < Thorn> I think Kill Software pays dongs for promotion
2018-07-24T15:51:50 < Haohmaru> i think so too
2018-07-24T15:51:57 < con3> Haohmaru: Thank you. Generally just ask when I really don't know and have spent a large portion of time on it
2018-07-24T15:51:58 < Haohmaru> keil kitler
2018-07-24T15:52:28 < Haohmaru> and if they don't, then they should
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2018-07-24T16:00:15 < jadew> karlp, thanks, but that would cost a lot to buy from the EU
2018-07-24T16:06:54 < jadew> I went for the book one from China
2018-07-24T16:07:02 < jadew> 170 values x 50 pcs
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2018-07-24T16:38:18 < bitmask> hmm, my rods and bearings are gonna be here tomorrow, should I rebuild then or wait for new belts
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2018-07-24T16:41:49 < englishman> tct__: are you really looking to get 10k of your shit made, the thing with ram and 0.3mm pitch and stuff, and you've ordered PCBs, but you don't know who will be stuffing them?
2018-07-24T16:42:08 < englishman> that's the wrong order to do things in imo
2018-07-24T16:54:53 < Steffanx> Wont you do it englishman ?
2018-07-24T16:56:49 < englishman> I try to avoid desperate clients
2018-07-24T16:57:55 < Thorn> attn mr. englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_zCwwalbiQ
2018-07-24T16:58:31 < englishman> tyvm
2018-07-24T17:02:50 < Steffanx> Lol, but no pic involved afaik.
2018-07-24T17:04:14 < Rickta59> fwiw I was able to login to the st site and bleh .. new forum software is ugly
2018-07-24T17:04:40 < Haohmaru> the new www is ugly
2018-07-24T17:05:31 < Rickta59> I really dislike the trend in forum software to make each post the size of a page and chew up the entire screen
2018-07-24T17:05:44 < Rickta59> * happy to be stuck in phpbb forums for the rest of time
2018-07-24T17:06:04 < Haohmaru> old-school phpbb was perfectly fine
2018-07-24T17:06:14 < Rickta59> hmm .. maybe I'm not actually logged in, i lied
2018-07-24T17:07:27 < Rickta59> i did login to the main site and that seems to work ..
2018-07-24T17:08:01 < Haohmaru> ah, maybe they've merged the user accounts on the website and forumz
2018-07-24T17:08:15 < Haohmaru> adafruit's website degraded when they did that
2018-07-24T17:08:34 < Haohmaru> many years ago
2018-07-24T17:09:30 < Rickta59> however seems they have borked up my address info (i know it was right in the past as I had received post from them)
2018-07-24T17:10:11 < Rickta59> They seem to think i live in ND .. when I live in NC
2018-07-24T17:11:18 < Rickta59> and the list of cities seems like they pulled from a list of major cities in all countries and all worlds .. i can't even select the town i live in
2018-07-24T17:12:00 < Rickta59> Atlanic City and Baton Rogue are in the drop down when I have NC selected
2018-07-24T17:12:09 < Rickta59> ... so the site seems borked if you ask me
2018-07-24T17:22:31 < jadew> anyone else experiences deleted keysight account?
2018-07-24T17:22:36 < jadew> or rather... missing
2018-07-24T17:25:20 < Steffanx> Cant miss what you never had
2018-07-24T17:25:54 < Steffanx> Perhaps you failed to reply to their EU regulations compliance emails?
2018-07-24T17:26:07 < jadew> oh... maybe that was it
2018-07-24T17:26:07 < Steffanx>  GDPR
2018-07-24T17:26:10 < jadew> fuck...
2018-07-24T17:29:38 < Steffanx> No ty.
2018-07-24T17:35:27 < jadew> this reminds me, can't login into my farnell account either, password recovery isn't working
2018-07-24T17:41:46 < jadew> lmfao... I'm trying to chat with support and they're not answering
2018-07-24T17:42:30 < jadew> I got the "Hello my name is, Ssdofijshnack, how can I help you with?", I described my issue and that's it
2018-07-24T17:42:40 < jadew> 3 minutes, no reply
2018-07-24T17:44:42 < jadew> replied after 4 minutes, told me to send an e-mail to some e-mail address...
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2018-07-24T18:54:12 < zyp> englishman, haha
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2018-07-24T18:54:41 < englishman> @ tectu?
2018-07-24T18:54:51 < zyp> I agree, to me it's natural to have the assemblyhouse use their favorite pcb fab
2018-07-24T18:55:09 < englishman> i wish him nothing but success in his ventures
2018-07-24T18:55:15 < zyp> and do panelization and shit so they get edges and fiducials and shit like they want
2018-07-24T18:55:19 < englishman> but i'm also glad i'm not him right now
2018-07-24T18:55:28 < zyp> :p
2018-07-24T18:55:51 < englishman> i'm doing that now, guy supplied parts and pcbs
2018-07-24T18:55:55 < englishman> no rails, no fiducials
2018-07-24T18:56:04 < englishman> not even a dicknplace file
2018-07-24T18:56:14 < zyp> haha
2018-07-24T18:56:19 < englishman> so half my fee is assembly, half my fee is other shit
2018-07-24T18:56:33 < englishman> fine by me, he paid already
2018-07-24T18:56:42 < englishman> im going to buy another car
2018-07-24T18:56:42 < englishman> lol
2018-07-24T18:57:01 < Steffanx> If its only like 100 pcbs...
2018-07-24T18:57:04 < zyp> another leaf so you get double the range? :p
2018-07-24T18:57:19 < Steffanx> At least get a 2018 leaf
2018-07-24T18:57:21 < englishman> im thinking about putting a tesla rear end in a 1990 miata
2018-07-24T18:57:34 < zyp> nah, just need to park the other leaf halfway
2018-07-24T18:57:40 < zyp> so you can switch when the battery runs out
2018-07-24T18:57:45 < englishman> so the result is a 380kW, 900kg car
2018-07-24T18:57:47 < Steffanx> Like kakimirs friend lol
2018-07-24T18:58:10 < zyp> won't be 900kg with batteries
2018-07-24T18:58:18 < zyp> and it won't be 380kW without :p
2018-07-24T18:58:30 < englishman> hehe
2018-07-24T18:58:39 < englishman> well who knows
2018-07-24T18:58:59 < englishman> liquid cooled batteries add a ton of weight
2018-07-24T18:59:16 < englishman> first step is to find a wrecked tesla with the battery gone
2018-07-24T18:59:22 < zyp> non-liquid cooled batteries are fucking heavy too
2018-07-24T18:59:22 < englishman> and the good rear end
2018-07-24T18:59:33 < zyp> think the pack in my car is something north of 300kg
2018-07-24T18:59:48 < englishman> really
2018-07-24T18:59:53 < zyp> anyway, gtg
2018-07-24T19:00:08 < englishman> leaf is about the same
2018-07-24T19:00:14 < Steffanx> Whats the weight of a tesla motor?
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2018-07-24T19:00:20 < Steffanx> Engine.
2018-07-24T19:00:43 < englishman> not sure, the rear motor, differential, suspension and unsprung parts all come as a subassembly
2018-07-24T19:00:59 < englishman> just add 400V and pwm and you have an electric car
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2018-07-24T19:01:47 < englishman> tesla's 85kWh weighs 540kg
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2018-07-24T19:07:43 < tomeaton17> someone should rename ##electronics to ##trannies
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2018-07-24T19:10:03 < friendofafriend> tomeaton17: Are there a lot of trannies there or something?
2018-07-24T19:10:16 < tomeaton17> friendofafriend, yes
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2018-07-24T19:23:43 < Steffanx> Do you have any intimate questions friendofafriend ?
2018-07-24T19:30:01 < friendofafriend> Why does it hurt when I pee?
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2018-07-24T19:40:23 < englishman> my bidet is being delivered today
2018-07-24T19:40:31 < kakimir> when is sauna
2018-07-24T19:40:51 < englishman> car charger first. ordered 50A gfci last night
2018-07-24T19:41:28 < kakimir> my friends electric previa is working
2018-07-24T19:41:39 < kakimir> it's hilarious
2018-07-24T19:41:41 < englishman> need another 60A panel for 10kW sauna
2018-07-24T19:41:46 < englishman> running out of space
2018-07-24T19:43:28 < kakimir> 60A panel for a sauna :p
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2018-07-24T19:44:05 < englishman> yes
2018-07-24T19:44:35 < kakimir> have you looked into stoves
2018-07-24T19:44:38 < sync> 3 phase 4 lyfe
2018-07-24T19:44:49 < kakimir> do those support north american electricity
2018-07-24T19:44:59 < sync> get a turbocharged sauna stove
2018-07-24T19:46:17 < englishman> i can get 3ϴ600V to the house but the cost would go up ass-tronomically
2018-07-24T19:46:52 < sync> yes, but then you have 3 phase
2018-07-24T19:47:01 < englishman> though i wonder if it is worth it considering how much energy we use, as the energy rate is lower
2018-07-24T19:47:05 < sync> like everybody in a developed country
2018-07-24T19:47:15 < englishman> yes for my 3ϴ toaster
2018-07-24T19:47:22 < englishman> and 3ϴ600V blender
2018-07-24T19:47:23 < englishman> so useful
2018-07-24T19:47:42 < sync> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrDfXu2kw8c
2018-07-24T19:48:11 < kakimir> I don't think finnish household stoves support 600 or 690
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2018-07-24T19:49:17 < englishman> 3.43¢/kWh
2018-07-24T19:49:35 < sync> kakimir: you must have the link on hand, for the finnish students türbro sauna stove
2018-07-24T19:49:55 < kakimir> I don't recommend it
2018-07-24T19:50:10 < kakimir> for civilized people like englishman 
2018-07-24T19:50:20 < kakimir> students - it's ok
2018-07-24T19:50:33 < englishman> but more than $1 per kilowatt per month
2018-07-24T19:51:09 < kakimir> what stove you are looking englishman ?
2018-07-24T19:51:20 < englishman> idk need to build the room first
2018-07-24T19:51:29 < englishman> there is some canadian brand that everyone has
2018-07-24T19:51:40 < kakimir> canadian sauna brand :o
2018-07-24T19:52:01 < sync> import some finnish birch and make a true™ sauna
2018-07-24T19:53:13 < englishman> in order to get those massive power contracts i have to actually use the power i have the hookup for
2018-07-24T19:53:25 < sync> mine bitcoin
2018-07-24T19:53:29 < englishman> so if i use less than 65kW average they will disconnect
2018-07-24T19:53:31 < englishman> no they are onto that too
2018-07-24T19:53:37 < englishman> they are getting charged more now
2018-07-24T19:53:52 < sync> or expand the greenhouse
2018-07-24T19:54:23 < englishman> or fill it with highland cattle farts so it is self-heating
2018-07-24T19:55:53 < kakimir> as finnish I'm concerned that some day there is more people with sauna in china than in finland
2018-07-24T19:56:12 < kakimir> that means end of sauna industry
2018-07-24T19:56:20 < kakimir> here
2018-07-24T19:57:13 < kakimir> as stoves are made cheap
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2018-07-24T19:58:12 < kakimir> can you have a smoke stack thing in your house englishman
2018-07-24T19:58:27 < kakimir> i dont know the correct word
2018-07-24T19:58:53 < kakimir> + a half a tonne of stone
2018-07-24T19:58:59 < BrainDamage> weed bong
2018-07-24T19:59:08 < englishman> sure we have one for the central heat, a chimney
2018-07-24T19:59:24 < englishman> installing them is always $$$ due to materials and inspection
2018-07-24T19:59:28 < englishman> and yearly cleaning
2018-07-24T19:59:30 < kakimir> yes
2018-07-24T19:59:44 < kakimir> and you cannot use same chimney
2018-07-24T20:00:03 < kakimir> if it has only one pipe
2018-07-24T20:00:25 < englishman> where the sauna will be, there was already a second chimney once when the extension was added on 110 years and it was removed
2018-07-24T20:02:12 < kakimir> at least in here for some reason every fireplace has it own pipe in chimney
2018-07-24T20:04:17 < englishman> yes
2018-07-24T20:04:58 < kakimir> if you have always ready stove
2018-07-24T20:05:03 < kakimir> electric
2018-07-24T20:05:22 < kakimir> you can heat it with some 300watts or so
2018-07-24T20:06:10 < kakimir> it has door at top
2018-07-24T20:06:43 < kakimir> it doesnt usually need switching to high power in casual use
2018-07-24T20:06:56 < kakimir> that can be 6 to 9kw
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2018-07-24T20:08:49 < kakimir> but if there ia sauna party its better to remember to switch high power
2018-07-24T20:17:17 < kakimir> canadian stoves look proper
2018-07-24T20:17:42 < kakimir> bettet than common cheap home sauna stove in here
2018-07-24T20:18:08 < kakimir> stainless steel, a lot of rocks, lot of power
2018-07-24T20:23:53 < kakimir> if you live in other place than finland you don't need to build this mandatory sauna for house and throw the cheapest stove in to increasd value of the house
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2018-07-24T20:53:15 < zyp> I tried danish sauna today
2018-07-24T20:53:36 < zyp> makes me miss finland
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2018-07-24T21:12:09 < Steffanx> It was so cold, your nipples grew larger and your manhood shrinked?
2018-07-24T21:13:25 < karlp> speaking of cars, we bought a new(er) one today, or got an accepted offer at least.
2018-07-24T21:13:39 < karlp> ended up with a 2016 oktavia 
2018-07-24T21:14:34 < Steffanx> do they make octavias with 4 wheel drive?
2018-07-24T21:15:59 < BrainDamage> do they make oktavias with optional NOS injection?
2018-07-24T21:16:00 < Steffanx> What kind of octavia karlp? station or .. ?
2018-07-24T21:16:06 < Steffanx> or is it really oktavia?
2018-07-24T21:16:14 < Steffanx> i only know it as octavia.
2018-07-24T21:16:18 < Steffanx> as in skoda.
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2018-07-24T21:17:59 < zyp> apart from a bunch of norwegian EVs in denmark, I've so far spotted a danish egolf, a danish tesla and a german tesla
2018-07-24T21:22:02 < Steffanx> Youll only spot a few in the land of the dutch
2018-07-24T21:22:14 < karlp> k/c, no idea anmore.
2018-07-24T21:22:31 < karlp> station, 1.6 tdi, 4x4/awd, whatever you like
2018-07-24T21:22:38 < zyp> first charger I tried stopping at was crowded by three other norwegian EVs, and I didn't figure I would want to wait for them to finish, so I continued to the next one 6km away and got it all to myself
2018-07-24T21:23:03 < karlp> just hve to sell the old one now...
2018-07-24T21:23:38 < zyp> largest disadvantage driving an EV in denmark is that the company only got one fast charger at each location, so it gets crowded easily
2018-07-24T21:24:03 < englishman> rip printrbot
2018-07-24T21:24:33 < zyp> largest advantage is almost nobody drives EVs, so there's a large chance of having it to myself anyway
2018-07-24T21:25:08 < zyp> apart from the crowded one I skipped, all the others I stopped at were available right away
2018-07-24T21:25:12 < Steffanx> Context englishman ?
2018-07-24T21:25:27 < englishman> kickstarter company shut down after 7 years
2018-07-24T21:25:31 < karlp> "the company" ?
2018-07-24T21:25:51 < zyp> the company that owns them
2018-07-24T21:26:07 < zyp> in this case, clever.dk
2018-07-24T21:26:35 < englishman> how many charges per day? you said you won't be driving too much in a single day
2018-07-24T21:27:00 < englishman> did you choose hotels based on charger proximity as well
2018-07-24T21:27:08 < Steffanx> Are you already on your way zyp?!
2018-07-24T21:27:42 < zyp> I chose current hotel because they have free parking with free AC charging available
2018-07-24T21:28:53 < zyp> Steffanx, yeah, I'm gonna drive through some germany and loop around before I come visit you on the way back
2018-07-24T21:29:57 < Steffanx> Oh thought you went back through germany, or are the plans changed
2018-07-24T21:29:58 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/WoIzs.png <- something like this, but not exactly
2018-07-24T21:30:13 < zyp> no, north through .nl
2018-07-24T21:30:18 < Steffanx> Oh youll go the other way around
2018-07-24T21:30:30 < zyp> yeah
2018-07-24T21:31:03 < zyp> in .dk now, will be in .de tomorrow
2018-07-24T21:31:06 < Steffanx> :(
2018-07-24T21:31:11 < Steffanx> :)
2018-07-24T21:31:15 < Steffanx> Typo.
2018-07-24T21:32:51 < Steffanx> Hows the 2nd hand car business in iceland karlp? In dutchland you can sell like any car whenever you want, but i can imagine its much harder such small country
2018-07-24T21:35:52 < zyp> englishman, three fast charges today
2018-07-24T21:36:33 < zyp> I might have gotten away with two if I aimed to do that, but I didn't care so much about number of stops, just charged where convenient
2018-07-24T21:37:07 < karlp> not too hard really, we wont' get much for the old one, it's old, but we didn't pay all that much either.
2018-07-24T21:37:12 < karlp> we love our cars here...
2018-07-24T21:37:19 < karlp> certainly a smaller market of course.
2018-07-24T21:48:47 < zyp> Steffanx, I figure you can sell any car whenever you want anywhere if you just price it low enough
2018-07-24T21:49:15 < Steffanx> True true, but i meant for a decent price
2018-07-24T21:49:54 < zyp> decent is relative
2018-07-24T21:50:34 < Steffanx> decent for dutch standard.
2018-07-24T21:50:50 < Steffanx> s
2018-07-24T21:51:26 < Steffanx> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2851306 better get that printed bitmask. and save a few bucks on the electric bill when you're done 
2018-07-24T21:51:53 < Steffanx> ( wonder how long you have to use that thing to break even, price wise )
2018-07-24T21:52:12 < bitmask> heh yea id be interested to know
2018-07-24T21:53:21 < Steffanx> idk what a kwh costs in the land of bitmask
2018-07-24T21:53:21 < BrainDamage> how much is 100m of plastic?
2018-07-24T21:53:32 < Steffanx> $5 ?
2018-07-24T21:54:14 < Steffanx> but you also have to buy the stepper and bearings etc.
2018-07-24T21:54:20 < BrainDamage> ok, so all the cost is the rest
2018-07-24T21:54:20 < bitmask> no idea
2018-07-24T21:54:26 < BrainDamage> let's ballpark 30 bucks
2018-07-24T21:54:32 < Steffanx> and the shitload of energy you have to put into printing it.
2018-07-24T21:55:53 < BrainDamage> the max theoretical attainable power from a wind turbine is 8/27 rho v^3 A
2018-07-24T21:56:02 < BrainDamage> v depends on the average wind speed
2018-07-24T21:56:24 < BrainDamage> A is the crosssectional area of the turbine
2018-07-24T21:57:29 < BrainDamage> avg wind speed here is ~4m/s
2018-07-24T21:57:44 < Steffanx> "start with windspeed as low as 5m/s". so you'll need 5
2018-07-24T21:58:06 < BrainDamage> you'll still use the average, which can be lower than the min
2018-07-24T21:58:11 < Steffanx> yes sir, but ..
2018-07-24T21:59:27 < Steffanx> in dutchland its more like 7-8m/s 
2018-07-24T21:59:28 < BrainDamage> diameter is 800mm so 0.5m^2 area
2018-07-24T22:00:13 < BrainDamage> air density at STP is  1.225 kg/m3  
2018-07-24T22:01:01 < BrainDamage> so here it'd produce 11.5W avg, and there 62W
2018-07-24T22:01:42 < bitmask> love that you guys are still figuring this out
2018-07-24T22:01:55 < Steffanx> i love you too bitmask
2018-07-24T22:02:00 < bitmask> ;)
2018-07-24T22:04:04 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/nCJ0x3A.png
2018-07-24T22:04:38 < Steffanx> is the avg wind speed that low BrainDamage. cant you get up higher in the mountains?
2018-07-24T22:05:58 < bitmask> avg here is 6.25
2018-07-24T22:07:13 < bitmask> thought it woulda been higher being on the coastline
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2018-07-24T22:11:56 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: I live in a valley
2018-07-24T22:13:59 < Steffanx> it seems bitmask is a lucky guy he doenst have to pay the electricity bill?
2018-07-24T22:14:27 < bitmask> psh, bills are for losers
2018-07-24T22:15:30 < Thorn> I still don't have a meter. paying ~$15 a month flat rate
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2018-07-24T22:19:30 < englishman> linguini valley
2018-07-24T22:19:39 < englishman> the italian version
2018-07-24T22:19:43 < englishman> of sillycone valley
2018-07-24T22:21:01 < Steffanx> can you eat sillycone?
2018-07-24T22:21:12 < englishman> https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
2018-07-24T22:22:09 < englishman> open source = pedophelia
2018-07-24T22:22:09 < Steffanx> encyclopediadramatica is something i do not read.
2018-07-24T22:22:38 < bitmask> shit, I forgot I wanted to mount this fan spacer before printing
2018-07-24T22:22:52 < bitmask> wanted to modify*
2018-07-24T22:23:17 < Steffanx> you know it can be forced to stop right?
2018-07-24T22:23:42 < bitmask> impossible!
2018-07-24T22:23:55 < bitmask> its almost done... I might as well let it finish
2018-07-24T22:24:12 < bitmask> I dont know if I'm gonna like dual fan setup anyway
2018-07-24T22:24:29 < Steffanx> i had that, but it was like a hurricane.
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2018-07-24T22:25:40 < bitmask> I thought it would be better at getting on both sides, but if I put a fan on both sides I lose too much range in the x axis so I was gonna mount one on the right and one on the back and have the back one have a duct that swoops around to the left side, or even just in the back I dunno
2018-07-24T22:26:30 < bitmask> modifying fan ducts is a bitch without step files, what style do you use
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2018-07-24T22:30:45 < Steffanx> i just printed something premade
2018-07-24T22:30:58 < bitmask> yea what kind
2018-07-24T22:31:02 < BrainDamage> ah, the the wind thingy has a BOM
2018-07-24T22:31:16 < Steffanx> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2494642 bitmask
2018-07-24T22:31:17 < BrainDamage> 130 bucks
2018-07-24T22:31:36 < bitmask> interesting
2018-07-24T22:31:38 < Steffanx> oh really, didnt see that
2018-07-24T22:31:38 < BrainDamage> with 60W average, it'd buyback in 400 days
2018-07-24T22:31:49 < Steffanx> if it doesnt break in the mean time
2018-07-24T22:31:51 < BrainDamage> assuming 100% efficiency
2018-07-24T22:32:08 < BrainDamage> realistically, it'll be 2 years
2018-07-24T22:35:07 < Steffanx> i wouldnt be surprised if you can do it cheaper, by selecting other/cheaper parts
2018-07-24T22:35:44 < Steffanx> also all parts are printed at 0.1mm, could use 0.2 too for many of them
2018-07-24T22:39:05 < Steffanx> where did you see this bom BrainDamage?
2018-07-24T22:39:52 < BrainDamage> https://cdn.thingiverse.com/renders/c3/46/4b/13/69/4c95077124cf3abdc0946f872f8938db_preview_featured.jpg
2018-07-24T22:40:40 < BrainDamage> oh, nvm, total on the bottom is just a part count
2018-07-24T22:40:44 < BrainDamage> not a cost
2018-07-24T22:40:45 < BrainDamage> bleh
2018-07-24T22:40:52 < Steffanx> :P
2018-07-24T22:41:00 < BrainDamage> what a useless number
2018-07-24T22:41:41 < Steffanx> the guy claims 20 brit pound
2018-07-24T22:41:50 < Steffanx> in the comments
2018-07-24T22:41:58 < BrainDamage> so my 30 bucks estimate was alright
2018-07-24T22:42:11 < Steffanx> thats excl. plastic i assume
2018-07-24T22:43:12 < Steffanx> or im wrong too. i think its 40 brit pound.
2018-07-24T22:43:18 < Steffanx> or 45 or wahtever.
2018-07-24T22:43:49 < Steffanx> still only 50e.
2018-07-24T23:01:26 < karlp> Steffanx: got a dutch car sale website I could search and see what you'd get?
2018-07-24T23:02:00 < Steffanx> how good is your dutch?
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2018-07-24T23:02:43 < Steffanx> www.marktplaats.nl, autoscout24.nl, autotrack.nl .. i continue, we have more than one.
2018-07-24T23:03:54 < Steffanx> *i can continue
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2018-07-24T23:08:36 < karlp> looks like price in .nl for my old car is ~similar to whta it go for in .nl.
2018-07-24T23:08:41 < karlp> in .is
2018-07-24T23:09:04 < Steffanx> ah
2018-07-24T23:10:47 < karlp> the new car is ~a little~ cheaper in .nl maybe.
2018-07-24T23:11:57 < karlp> certainly more on offer, might have been able to get a non-fucking-grey one.
2018-07-24T23:12:41 < karlp> it was like when we bought our couch, "what other colours can we have?" "only grey, that's what icelanders want." "no, fuck knuckles, that's all you offer us!"
2018-07-24T23:12:54 < Steffanx> The skoda octavia is a popular business car here. Mainly lease stuff
2018-07-24T23:13:10 < karlp> yeah, ours is an ex-rental
2018-07-24T23:13:12 < tct__> skoda octavia is SUPER common business car here
2018-07-24T23:13:25 < karlp> piles of cars are ex rentals here though in general,
2018-07-24T23:13:32 < karlp> the thing with having lots of tourists and all that.
2018-07-24T23:13:47 < tct__> so, icelanders only like grey?
2018-07-24T23:14:13 < karlp> looked at avensis and passat too, but passat was more isk for less car, and all the avensis for sale were shady
2018-07-24T23:16:05 < bitmask> dont you people have japanese cars?
2018-07-24T23:16:20 < karlp> we have all cars, just like most coutnries.
2018-07-24T23:16:26 < karlp> what sort of question was that?
2018-07-24T23:16:39 < englishman> funny since skoda = volkswagen
2018-07-24T23:16:50 < bitmask> just making fun of you
2018-07-24T23:17:02 < karlp> englishman: sure, but they're priced completely differently
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2018-07-24T23:19:17 < Cracki> *grml* using autohotkey to maximize eaglecad schematic+board windows upon creation because the last free version I'm aware of can't do it on its own
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2018-07-24T23:20:01 < tcth> why would you use eagle?
2018-07-24T23:20:35 < Cracki> boss uses it. i'm using it as a schematic+board viewer mostly.
2018-07-24T23:20:47 < tcth> tell your boss to stop using shitty sw :p
2018-07-24T23:20:57 < Cracki> then he's out of a job
2018-07-24T23:21:34 < Cracki> what would you recommend that isn't just a *different* kind of pain in the ass?
2018-07-24T23:21:37 < Steffanx> isnt he in to avr as well?
2018-07-24T23:21:47 < Steffanx> you have to say: in4 altidongs
2018-07-24T23:21:52 < Cracki> b
2018-07-24T23:21:52 < Steffanx> *inb4
2018-07-24T23:22:14 < Cracki> altium seems to be the go-to solution but pricey. I'm sure at this day job they use it.
2018-07-24T23:22:21 < Cracki> *his
2018-07-24T23:22:52 < tcth> Cracki, altium for every day jobs. otherwise keycad
2018-07-24T23:23:07 < Cracki> kikekad lel
2018-07-24T23:23:10 < tcth> Cracki, did use diptrace too. it fills the game between kicad and altium for me. the pricing is nice
2018-07-24T23:23:15 < Cracki> hmmm
2018-07-24T23:23:19 < tcth> kikecad > eagle.
2018-07-24T23:23:41 < Cracki> I hear kicad is either unstable or stale
2018-07-24T23:23:55 < Steffanx> they even release kicad 5
2018-07-24T23:24:04 < Steffanx> and i made it error in 1 minute, so its not THAT bad.
2018-07-24T23:24:26 < Steffanx> *throw an error
2018-07-24T23:24:26 < tcth> Steffanx usually breaks software in less than 10 seconds
2018-07-24T23:24:30 < tcth> so 1 minute is pretty good.
2018-07-24T23:24:30 < Steffanx> ^
2018-07-24T23:24:33 < Cracki> the one guy I know offline who uses it, he has been ranting about it nonstop. the distribution packages lack useful features and the repo version is unstable.
2018-07-24T23:24:52 < tcth> Cracki, in that case he should actually be using diptrace or altium
2018-07-24T23:24:55 < Steffanx> 5 is pretty recent and stable afaik, Cracki
2018-07-24T23:24:59 < Cracki> hmmmm
2018-07-24T23:25:12 < tcth> personally I used kicad for over three years. I was very happy with it back then (given that it´s free, ofc)
2018-07-24T23:25:19 < Steffanx> fuck distribution packages anyway.
2018-07-24T23:25:24 < tcth> keep in mind that somebody will always rant about something.
2018-07-24T23:25:24 < Cracki> I don't use eagle to *make* schematics/board. I know it has shit mouse interaction.
2018-07-24T23:25:28 < Steffanx> use windows.
2018-07-24T23:25:32 < Cracki> is kicad any saner in that regard?
2018-07-24T23:25:41 < tcth> I found the kicad schematic editor to be very decent
2018-07-24T23:25:44 < tcth> even better than the diptrace one
2018-07-24T23:25:52 < Thorn> dicktrace uber alles
2018-07-24T23:25:57 < tcth> <Steffanx> fuck distribution packages anyway.  +1
2018-07-24T23:26:08 < Steffanx> imho its not decent. its totally fickery when yuo place a component and stuff.
2018-07-24T23:26:09 < Cracki> like... click and drag, instead of this shit-for-brains eagle "click" and it sticks to the cursor
2018-07-24T23:26:20 < Steffanx> like it's redrawing the entire thing over and over.
2018-07-24T23:26:38 < tcth> Steffanx, on your 2005 fagbook, yes
2018-07-24T23:26:42 < Cracki> ah yes, I heard that about kicad too... they had business logic in the graphics module
2018-07-24T23:26:46 < Steffanx> no, on windows mr tcth
2018-07-24T23:26:49 < Steffanx> non macbook.
2018-07-24T23:27:02 < Steffanx> version kicad 5.whatever
2018-07-24T23:27:09 < Cracki> much despair
2018-07-24T23:27:31 < tcth> Cracki, disclaimer: I haven´t used anything other than alticum in the past year and I haven´t touched lolcad in over three years.
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2018-07-24T23:27:41 < Cracki> altium is a gigantic monster
2018-07-24T23:27:58 < Steffanx> you tame it and you'll be happy.
2018-07-24T23:27:59 < tcth> they stripped it down in the AD18 release. no more FPGA crap. took out 9GB of the installed size
2018-07-24T23:28:10 < Cracki> does altium still make you pick a specific part number during schematic capture?
2018-07-24T23:28:16 < Steffanx> Who cares about 10GB?
2018-07-24T23:28:23 < tcth> that´s up to you, Cracki. it´s how you build your libs.
2018-07-24T23:28:35 < Cracki> ah so I have to build my libs
2018-07-24T23:28:49 < Steffanx> use the vault.
2018-07-24T23:28:58 < Cracki> ... luke!
2018-07-24T23:29:02  * antto uses kicad
2018-07-24T23:29:03 < tcth> or use the vault...
2018-07-24T23:29:14 < tcth> > geda
2018-07-24T23:29:14 < Steffanx> or hire tcth to do it for you
2018-07-24T23:29:14  * antto puts on his umbrella
2018-07-24T23:29:23 < Cracki> I prefer kidnapping to hiring
2018-07-24T23:29:25 < tcth> tcth is pretty much overbooked.
2018-07-24T23:29:58 < Steffanx> i heard he had time off
2018-07-24T23:30:24 < tcth> only for analog stuff
2018-07-24T23:30:54 < Steffanx> where is that hao guy, antto?
2018-07-24T23:31:14 < antto> iz iz me
2018-07-24T23:31:29 < antto> where is that stfn guy, Steffanx?
2018-07-24T23:31:47 < Steffanx> there is only stffn
2018-07-24T23:32:10 < antto> my F key rejects registering twice in the same spot
2018-07-24T23:32:26 < antto> it has attitude
2018-07-24T23:32:29 < Steffanx> That's sad mate. Dont make tcth sad, please.
2018-07-24T23:32:49 < antto> i'm not taking responsibility for that
2018-07-24T23:32:53 < tcth> :o
2018-07-24T23:33:19  * antto throws the responsibility into Steffanx's hands like a hot potato
2018-07-24T23:34:55 < Cracki> "hot potato routing" sounds like a fun game you can play with high school kids who visit your CS dept
2018-07-24T23:35:07 < tcth> LOL
2018-07-24T23:35:51 < tcth> time for a beer
2018-07-24T23:35:58 < Cracki> some visiting dude from akamai talked about "cold potato routing" too... hold my LOX-cooled beer or something
2018-07-24T23:36:01 < antto> wut brand?
2018-07-24T23:36:34 < tcth> beer brand.
2018-07-24T23:36:49 < Steffanx> Victoria bitter is good i heard.
2018-07-24T23:37:12 < Cracki> the gourmets around my place like Bulmers, an apple cider
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2018-07-25T00:10:50 < karlp> truly gourmands
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2018-07-25T00:14:41 < Cracki> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Di43XpoWwAEAfCr.jpg:orig
2018-07-25T00:19:41 < tcth> don´t post cats pls
2018-07-25T00:19:45 < tcth> it will upset the blaxter
2018-07-25T00:19:49 < Cracki> how
2018-07-25T00:20:12 < Cracki> does he have scars in interesting places?
2018-07-25T00:29:32 < tcth> nobody that saw his interesting places ever survived to tell, so dunno.
2018-07-25T00:29:42 < Steffanx> Where is the blaxor?
2018-07-25T00:29:54 < Steffanx> Blaxtor
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2018-07-25T00:32:40 < tcth> away touching is special places I guess
2018-07-25T00:34:05 < Cracki> the summoning was successful!
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2018-07-25T00:36:43 < Cracki> deranged. https://metro.co.uk/2018/07/24/racist-towards-robots-thoroughly-ashamed-study-finds-7753234/
2018-07-25T00:37:13 < cpctr> co.uk
2018-07-25T00:37:32 < Cracki> they think it's only skin-deep...
2018-07-25T00:38:13 < Steffanx> Lol you summonned the blaxtor and the stvn
2018-07-25T00:38:20 < Steffanx> -n
2018-07-25T00:38:30 < Cracki> the bright lads did not seem to consider the contrast of a black gun against various skin tones
2018-07-25T00:40:15 < Thorn> Dr. Blaxter Ph. D. and Tectu the CEO
2018-07-25T00:40:36 < Cracki> paint them like poisonous frogs or snakes, that'll teach people fear!
2018-07-25T00:40:50 < Thorn> ##stm32networking
2018-07-25T00:42:39 < Steffanx> Dont forget Comrade Thorn
2018-07-25T00:43:16 < Cracki> start the helicopter
2018-07-25T00:45:42 < Thorn> that is not a title
2018-07-25T00:46:14 < Steffanx> To me it is.
2018-07-25T00:46:30 < Laurenceb> muh gui is complete
2018-07-25T00:46:40 < Laurenceb> wait wut
2018-07-25T00:46:44 < Laurenceb> dat metro link
2018-07-25T00:47:10 < Cracki> that's mah gui
2018-07-25T00:47:38 < Laurenceb> the """white""" one is harder to see against the path
2018-07-25T00:48:29 < Laurenceb> oh wow Farage hates 8chan
2018-07-25T00:48:47 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/6dc611d6eb/127446.jpg
2018-07-25T00:48:49 < Laurenceb> le wtf face
2018-07-25T00:49:41 < Laurenceb> feminine penis bulge spotted
2018-07-25T00:50:11 < antto> wut else did u spot?
2018-07-25T00:50:27 < Laurenceb>  ""she"" is a troll from 8chan irl
2018-07-25T00:50:43 < cpctr> hi
2018-07-25T00:50:48 < antto> wut's with the quadruple quotes?
2018-07-25T00:50:57 < Laurenceb> gatecrashed the party and showed him some memes
2018-07-25T00:51:25 < cpctr> lol
2018-07-25T00:51:47 < antto> wut's 8chan?
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2018-07-25T00:52:02 < antto> hm.. 2x quadruple quotes == 8
2018-07-25T00:52:04 < cpctr> some type of computer virus
2018-07-25T00:52:05 < Laurenceb> you dont want to know if you are oblivious
2018-07-25T00:52:30 < antto> is that where you took the quotes from?
2018-07-25T00:52:32 < Laurenceb> I wanna see the webm from the troll behind them
2018-07-25T00:52:48 < cpctr> i want to know whats on the piece of paper
2018-07-25T00:52:51 < antto> wut r u hoping to see from that angle?
2018-07-25T00:52:56 < cpctr> and if 'she' has a big cock
2018-07-25T00:53:13 < Cracki> wait are you talking about that dancer on that ellen show?
2018-07-25T00:53:26 < Cracki> floppy bits in white pants
2018-07-25T00:53:34 < catphish> motor mod almost ready to do some vector control :) https://imgur.com/a/eL58XXD just need to wait for the timing belt to arrive
2018-07-25T00:53:48 < Laurenceb> catphish: do u live in uk?
2018-07-25T00:53:54 < cpctr> nice one cat
2018-07-25T00:53:57 < catphish> Laurenceb: yes
2018-07-25T00:54:01 < Laurenceb> oh shit
2018-07-25T00:54:10 < Laurenceb> are you a member of ISIS?
2018-07-25T00:54:26 < catphish> yes,  but only since xmas, haven't traid up yet
2018-07-25T00:54:27 < antto> (yet)
2018-07-25T00:54:27 < cpctr> da motahh
2018-07-25T00:54:36 < catphish> *trained
2018-07-25T00:54:48 < Laurenceb> lul I'll take that as a no
2018-07-25T00:54:55 < Laurenceb> but thats what you would say...
2018-07-25T00:55:01 < cpctr> ofc
2018-07-25T00:55:08 < cpctr> better call the queen blaxter
2018-07-25T00:55:09 < Laurenceb> I knew someone called catphish who was a muslim convert isis nutter
2018-07-25T00:55:21 < antto> wut if he wanted you to think that ;P~
2018-07-25T00:55:25 < cpctr> were trained by
2018-07-25T00:55:28 < cpctr> not knew
2018-07-25T00:55:50 < cpctr> got yer isis loicence
2018-07-25T00:56:01 < Laurenceb> they wanted me to help them build a base in a disused mine
2018-07-25T00:56:05 < Laurenceb> autistic as fuck
2018-07-25T00:56:08 < antto> wut can u do with such loicence?
2018-07-25T00:56:08 < catphish> sounds fun
2018-07-25T00:56:13 < antto> can u drive big truck?
2018-07-25T00:56:13 < cpctr> 10 wives loicence?
2018-07-25T00:56:25 < Laurenceb> hopefully they got droned in Syria
2018-07-25T00:56:40 < catphish> 10 wives sounds like a lot of work
2018-07-25T00:57:08 < cpctr> doctor loicence
2018-07-25T00:57:10 < antto> 10x the bill in the mall
2018-07-25T00:57:14 < Laurenceb> they got as far as moving into the mine, then the whole area got raided by armed police lol
2018-07-25T00:57:23 < cpctr> lol
2018-07-25T00:57:47 < Laurenceb> police car with anpr drove past and they were all over every database
2018-07-25T00:57:51 < catphish> did you dob them in
2018-07-25T00:57:55 < catphish> did you grass?
2018-07-25T00:57:58 < catphish> did you tell?
2018-07-25T00:58:00 < Laurenceb> nope.. honest
2018-07-25T00:58:10 < catphish> :)
2018-07-25T00:58:12 < karlp> anpr?
2018-07-25T00:58:16 < Laurenceb> last time I heard they were out of prison and ran away to syria
2018-07-25T00:58:30 < Laurenceb> karlp: automatic number plate recognition
2018-07-25T00:58:32 < catphish> automatic number plate recognition
2018-07-25T00:59:16 < Laurenceb> I also know a guy from my school who joined
2018-07-25T00:59:19 < Laurenceb> he was Swedish
2018-07-25T00:59:25 < Laurenceb> nothing more needs to be said
2018-07-25T01:00:12 < cpctr> the kunts
2018-07-25T01:00:39 < cpctr> is assange out yet
2018-07-25T01:01:18 < Laurenceb> he needs backpack hot air balloon
2018-07-25T01:01:32 < bitmask> I love when fusion crashes on saving a file
2018-07-25T01:02:05 < Laurenceb> more seriously, I was thinking of a Fulton recovery system that works with a single engine prop plane
2018-07-25T01:02:17 < Laurenceb> but then I realised thats kind of hard...
2018-07-25T01:02:34 < catphish> need to find someone on irc who understands this induction motor lark, srk maybe? need much tutor :(
2018-07-25T01:03:19 < Laurenceb> I might understand it, but I'm too busy shitposting and 8channing
2018-07-25T01:03:25 < cpctr> da motor
2018-07-25T01:03:34 < catphish> lol
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2018-07-25T01:22:47 < karlp> did someone say shitposting? https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/01/with-ingestible-pill-you-can-track-fart-development-in-real-time-on-your-phone/
2018-07-25T01:23:41 < cpctr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CfiBv-Tm6s
2018-07-25T01:24:43 < cpctr> The researchers, led by Kourosh Kalantar-Zadeh of RMIT University and Peter Gibson of Monash University, reported their invention Monday in Nature Electronics.
2018-07-25T01:24:52 < cpctr> i remember his lectures
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2018-07-25T01:26:01 < kakimir> gas sensor
2018-07-25T01:26:07 < kakimir> how does it work in all that shit
2018-07-25T01:26:15 < kakimir> breather film?
2018-07-25T01:26:26 < cpctr> science
2018-07-25T01:27:00 < kakimir> science works
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2018-07-25T01:32:35 < Laurenceb> depends on the gas
2018-07-25T01:32:47 < Laurenceb> some are electrolytic
2018-07-25T01:32:54 < Laurenceb> some use catalytic decomposition
2018-07-25T01:34:54  * Laurenceb decomposes kakimir catalytically
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2018-07-25T01:40:32 < antto> who farted
2018-07-25T01:41:13 < antto> it must've been fart hour here
2018-07-25T01:45:36 < BrainDamage> considering even the military abandoned fulton recovery, why would an even more insane version be accepted?
2018-07-25T01:46:40 < antto> ..so playing with farts is "science"
2018-07-25T01:46:57 < antto> i gotta make a fart synthesizer
2018-07-25T01:47:15 < antto> i'll call it science and seek funding
2018-07-25T01:48:13 < antto> gonna sell a "draft quality" version to the game industry
2018-07-25T01:49:44 < antto> enuff internetz for tod*y
2018-07-25T01:50:10 < Cracki> >draft
2018-07-25T01:50:32 < antto> yes, suitable for low-latency realtime processing
2018-07-25T01:50:33 < Cracki> sneaky
2018-07-25T01:51:46 < antto> c0z farts r like gun shots, if the sound has a delay - it ruins the realism
2018-07-25T01:51:50 < Cracki> you know you made a pun, don't act coy now
2018-07-25T01:52:10 < antto> hm?
2018-07-25T01:52:15 < Cracki> >draft ;)
2018-07-25T01:52:23 < Cracki> gun shots eh, what do you eat?
2018-07-25T01:52:24  * antto doesn't get it
2018-07-25T01:52:32 < antto> BEANZ \o/
2018-07-25T01:52:42 < Cracki> fart *points hand*, draft *points hand*
2018-07-25T01:52:46 < antto> tomorrow cabbage with porky teh pig
2018-07-25T01:52:51 < Cracki> you know, wind
2018-07-25T01:52:56 < Cracki> pork is good
2018-07-25T01:53:00 < Cracki> pork will save our civilization
2018-07-25T01:54:44 < antto> how?
2018-07-25T01:55:47 < Cracki> >_>
2018-07-25T01:56:10 < Cracki> it's like garlic
2018-07-25T01:56:18 < antto> ah
2018-07-25T01:57:01 < antto> heh, we got a lot of fast-food "doner" places here since a bunch of years now
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2018-07-25T01:57:19 < antto> but as most other things, we "bulgarianized" them a bit
2018-07-25T01:57:45 < cpctr> Ye yea
2018-07-25T01:58:09 < antto> a bunch of islamic tourists got a nasty surprise when they figured the doners they ate were all pork
2018-07-25T01:58:16 < antto> was on teh news
2018-07-25T01:58:25 < Cracki> check if the meat is halal
2018-07-25T01:58:41 < Cracki> more and more doner places here are becoming halal
2018-07-25T01:58:45 < antto> <aintnobodygotstimefodat.gif>
2018-07-25T01:58:47 < Cracki> hehe
2018-07-25T01:58:50 < Cracki> pork doner ftw
2018-07-25T01:59:02 < Cracki> I should visit your country, sounds delightful
2018-07-25T01:59:28 < antto> we're too close to turkey
2018-07-25T02:00:56 < antto> bout that other thing
2018-07-25T02:01:17 < antto> maybe swap yer dog pets with pigs ;P~
2018-07-25T02:01:32 < Cracki> dogs are almost as effective
2018-07-25T02:01:48 < antto> dress yer dog as a pig?
2018-07-25T02:01:52 < Cracki> >_>
2018-07-25T02:01:54 < antto> or they don't like dogs too?
2018-07-25T02:02:02 < Cracki> pigs are useful, they eat anything you need to dispose of
2018-07-25T02:02:08 < Cracki> the second one
2018-07-25T02:02:23 < antto> didn't know that
2018-07-25T02:03:37 < Cracki> they aren't as "bad" as pigs, but... >The majority [...] consider dogs to be ritually unclean
2018-07-25T02:03:49 < antto> do we sound like passive-aggressive terrorists here now?
2018-07-25T02:03:50 < antto> ;P~
2018-07-25T02:04:24 < Cracki> terrorists, us? never!
2018-07-25T02:04:25 < antto> or passive-defensive
2018-07-25T02:04:50 < antto> i'm not gud at categorizing sh*t
2018-07-25T02:05:00 < Cracki> tbh I'd much rather get a big cat than a dog for a pet
2018-07-25T02:05:10 < antto> f*ck yeah
2018-07-25T02:05:17 < Cracki> they have similar teeth, but they have murder mittens
2018-07-25T02:05:24 < Cracki> and they're fluffier
2018-07-25T02:05:46 < antto> and they don't eat their sh*t
2018-07-25T02:05:50 < Cracki> hahaha
2018-07-25T02:15:07 < cpctr> Like Richard stallman
2018-07-25T02:15:42 < antto> ouch :/
2018-07-25T02:16:18 < antto> maybe he is a doctor and just did a self-diagnosis
2018-07-25T02:29:22 < Cracki> diagnosing boogers and toe nail clippings?
2018-07-25T02:32:38 < Thorn> why you need a 3d printer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-mJROghhbY
2018-07-25T02:34:51 < srk> so you can waste tons of time printing parts that could be injection molded? :D
2018-07-25T02:35:40 < srk> ah, that's only juction
2018-07-25T02:35:48 < Thorn> for your own use of course
2018-07-25T02:36:01 < srk> nice mechanism
2018-07-25T02:37:08 < Thorn> needs a solenoid
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2018-07-25T02:44:08 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: yeah but ass-henge is insane
2018-07-25T02:49:26 < Laurenceb> its about time to level up
2018-07-25T03:00:35 < cpctr> got yer wikileaks loicence?
2018-07-25T03:01:35 < cpctr> FOUR years after McDonald’s kicked off its much-hyped build-your-own-burger experiment, thousands of dollars worth of special kitchen equipment franchisees were required to purchase is gathering dust. The fast-food chain would not confirm exactly how much equipment was now sitting idle after Create Your Taste was ditched last year.
2018-07-25T03:01:42 < cpctr> oh yeah i remember that.... lol
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2018-07-25T03:09:10 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/YIi9Rou
2018-07-25T03:09:47 < cpctr> welcome back
2018-07-25T03:09:52 < cpctr> and thankyou for tuning in again
2018-07-25T03:19:39 < Thorn> bitmask: is it PETG?
2018-07-25T03:19:44 < bitmask> yea
2018-07-25T03:29:36 < Laurenceb> Leo was supposed to be making an epic fully automated mcdonalds
2018-07-25T03:29:51 < Laurenceb> but then he quit irc for good and shitposts on twitter
2018-07-25T03:30:22 < Laurenceb> not with autastic robot arms - more like an automated food factory in ~4 to 5 containers
2018-07-25T03:30:38 < Laurenceb> stainless steel shoots and PLCs
2018-07-25T03:31:08 < Laurenceb> built into standard shipping containers that clip together
2018-07-25T03:31:22 < srk> link?
2018-07-25T03:31:55 < Laurenceb> it was top secret project ~4 years ago, I only saw the cad on a memetic macbook
2018-07-25T03:32:50 < srk> cool
2018-07-25T03:32:57 < Laurenceb> bread buns and stuff get loaded into shoots at one end, customer facing ports are at the other
2018-07-25T03:33:35 < Laurenceb> it actually looked very practical, unlike the autistic shit with humans and robot arm things in a kitchen
2018-07-25T03:33:40 < srk> I want a self driving pizza factory
2018-07-25T03:33:59 < Laurenceb> just scale down a standard readymeal factory and put it into containers
2018-07-25T03:34:17 < bitmask> a pizzaBot sounds easy enough
2018-07-25T03:34:24 < Laurenceb> it was designed to fit into same footprint as a standard mcdonalds kitchen
2018-07-25T03:34:55 < Laurenceb> so they could rip out the kitchen and sack all the staff :P
2018-07-25T03:35:15 < srk> xD
2018-07-25T03:36:13 < Laurenceb> prob would have to have 1x cleaner for eating area, 1x security guard, and 1x cleaner for the innards
2018-07-25T03:37:15 < Laurenceb> dunno if they are still working on this, maybe they were ebil and just stole the idea and got someone murican working on it
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2018-07-25T04:50:39 < cpctr> could you imagine a world without blaxter....
2018-07-25T04:51:00 < aandrew> I think the word you're looking for is "chutes"
2018-07-25T04:51:45 < cpctr> 475-1410-1-ND
2018-07-25T04:51:57 < cpctr> i need some type of light emitting apparatus 
2018-07-25T04:55:36 < cpctr> should I call the altium vault?
2018-07-25T05:02:46 < englishman> just turn on a desk lamp
2018-07-25T05:03:14 < englishman> cpctr: i have a grey
2018-07-25T05:03:41 < cpctr> ty sir
2018-07-25T05:04:00 < cpctr> i think the phone lines are tied up by those who forgot to change the selection filter
2018-07-25T05:04:03 < cpctr> so i've heard
2018-07-25T05:04:40 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/qXChefO.jpg
2018-07-25T05:10:22 < cpctr> :D
2018-07-25T05:10:28 < cpctr> the greycat!
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2018-07-25T06:32:19 < jadew> R2COM, they didn't have enough room
2018-07-25T06:32:28 < jadew> the meaning is clear
2018-07-25T06:32:48 < jadew> "Girls should learn history, and find that their place is in the kitchen, to make the sandwitch. And make it."
2018-07-25T06:41:14 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-wBo5_sV0I
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2018-07-25T07:16:04 < cpctr> welcome back r2
2018-07-25T07:19:53 < cpctr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rsk1quUps0
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2018-07-25T09:26:20 < cpctr> what hte ufkc is a sandwch/
2018-07-25T09:29:37 < cpctr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8_XXgeskd8
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2018-07-25T09:50:04 < Haohmaru> cpctr it's when u enter teh wrong prison cell and the door gets shut..
2018-07-25T09:50:17 < cpctr> yeah!
2018-07-25T09:57:14 < cpctr> sounds great
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2018-07-25T10:34:54 < invzim> englishman: you recently did a riddic amount of pth soldering?
2018-07-25T10:37:34 < Steffanx> Better that that solder wave rolling invzim 
2018-07-25T10:38:10 < invzim> of course, or selective - but I'm assembling a few boards by hand
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2018-07-25T10:38:34 < invzim> it's fairly simple, manual pick&place in <20minutes
2018-07-25T10:38:39 < invzim> but the PTH stuff is killing me
2018-07-25T10:38:45 < Haohmaru> why?!
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2018-07-25T10:38:55 < zyp> that's why people design boards without pth nowadays :p
2018-07-25T10:40:07 < cpctr> lrl
2018-07-25T10:40:34 < cpctr> i worked for a place that got a chinese girl (in au) to pop in the 10 THT components in their mil spec PSUs
2018-07-25T10:40:44 < cpctr> rest was SMT
2018-07-25T10:40:51 < cpctr> populated in cheeeeena
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2018-07-25T10:41:22 < invzim> on da bright side, I seem to be getting persistent good reflows with the paste&oven I'm using
2018-07-25T10:42:13 < cpctr> my latest ubuntu is upgrading mate
2018-07-25T10:42:31 < cpctr> lets update apt
2018-07-25T10:42:32 < Haohmaru> spybuntu
2018-07-25T10:42:54 < cpctr> the US government are watching me pump on IRC
2018-07-25T10:43:08 < Haohmaru> and also cannonical
2018-07-25T10:43:20 < Haohmaru> and amazon
2018-07-25T10:43:27 < cpctr> 4.15 pedofiles
2018-07-25T10:43:31 < cpctr> i mean header files right
2018-07-25T10:43:51 < cpctr> oh yea i saw spyware pkg 7.444.34
2018-07-25T10:44:05 < cpctr> oh cool i have to restart
2018-07-25T10:44:21 < Haohmaru> that's for the rootkit to take effect
2018-07-25T10:45:07 < cpctr> ok its all setup now
2018-07-25T10:45:12 < cpctr> the rootkit
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2018-07-25T10:47:17 < cpctr> alright all the lights are turning off in the house and i can hear jewish men screaming
2018-07-25T10:47:21 < cpctr> better boot back into win10
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2018-07-25T10:49:32 < cpctr> sorry
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2018-07-25T10:54:23 < Steffanx> Stvn is done with work again i see :P
2018-07-25T10:54:49 < Steffanx> The return of the mad stvn
2018-07-25T10:54:51 < cpctr> a donkey fell into a bowl of sugar
2018-07-25T10:54:56 < cpctr> now that's a sweet asssssss
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2018-07-25T11:14:20 < Haohmaru> butt it's hairy
2018-07-25T11:28:13 < Cracki> close your eyes, pretend it's cotton candy
2018-07-25T11:28:45 < Haohmaru> :~(
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2018-07-25T11:38:23 < tcth> how are you, people?
2018-07-25T11:39:16 < Haohmaru> some people are twistedly horny in the morning
2018-07-25T11:39:32 < tomeaton17> morning glory
2018-07-25T11:39:49 < tcth> guys, I´d like to remind you that this is a channel about ##stm32.
2018-07-25T11:39:55 < tcth> please stay on-topic
2018-07-25T11:40:44 < Haohmaru> right, and we all know what "##stm32" really is ;P~
2018-07-25T11:41:07 < Haohmaru> not to be confused with "STM32"
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2018-07-25T11:43:30 < Cracki> ^
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2018-07-25T11:51:53 < BrainDamage> it's unofficial for a reason
2018-07-25T11:51:56 < dongs> https://phazon.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Panel-of-PCBs-for-the-charging-case.jpeg did someone forget to include board outline in chinagerbers
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2018-07-25T12:00:18 < Cracki> looks like flatflex
2018-07-25T12:00:31 < Cracki> on the right edge it bends interestingly
2018-07-25T12:00:56 < Cracki> also looks like it was cut, not milled
2018-07-25T12:01:09 < cpctr> thanks for coming in dongs
2018-07-25T12:01:50 < cpctr> seems they were going to cut it out themselves
2018-07-25T12:02:00 < cpctr> and save the excess cupper
2018-07-25T12:04:26 < Cracki> why would anyone wanna save excess copper?
2018-07-25T12:04:49 < Haohmaru> to sniff it?
2018-07-25T12:04:50 < Cracki> especially when it's already glued between flatflex sheets
2018-07-25T12:04:53 < Steffanx> Copper much shekels.
2018-07-25T12:05:51 < Cracki> that's maybe a gram of copper
2018-07-25T12:06:58 < Cracki> google says 5.27 eur/kg
2018-07-25T12:07:30 < Steffanx> Heh.
2018-07-25T12:07:57 < Cracki> that's 1 second of your life if your life is worth 20 eur/hour
2018-07-25T12:08:24 < Cracki> the chinese thought the same and just sent them the whole panel
2018-07-25T12:18:55 < Steffanx> Logic and correctness is not something we need in the ##stm32 Cracki 
2018-07-25T12:18:59 < Steffanx> :P
2018-07-25T12:20:40 < Steffanx> I dutchland we have this huuuge blog with the title: 
2018-07-25T12:20:43 < Steffanx> tendentious, unfounded and unnecessarily offensive
2018-07-25T12:20:50 < Steffanx> Sounds like the ##stm32
2018-07-25T12:21:17  * Haohmaru confirms
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2018-07-25T13:08:48 < Thorn> Iridium-7 NEXT Mission https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsDknmK30C0
2018-07-25T13:09:16 < dongs> nice
2018-07-25T13:09:24 < dongs> if you would prefix all your jewtube links with <title>
2018-07-25T13:09:29 < dongs> then I know not to click on cancerous ones
2018-07-25T13:10:41 < Haohmaru> wut if <title> is wrong on purpose ;P~
2018-07-25T13:10:49 < Thorn> "This video is known to ##stm32 to cause cancer in dongs"
2018-07-25T13:11:12 < dongs> Haohmaru: then that would be straight up trolling
2018-07-25T13:11:13 < dongs> and bad
2018-07-25T13:11:30 < cpctr> gooday cunts
2018-07-25T13:12:04 < Haohmaru> dongs i thought u put me in yer /ignore list
2018-07-25T13:12:09 < Haohmaru> u liar
2018-07-25T13:12:25 < dongs> do you want to be back on it?
2018-07-25T13:12:37 < Haohmaru> *shrug*
2018-07-25T13:13:05 < Haohmaru> just inform me so that i know how to.. act..
2018-07-25T13:13:31 < dongs> stick ur dick out; done
2018-07-25T13:13:42 < Haohmaru> que?
2018-07-25T13:14:37 < Haohmaru> ur standing on a mountain of assumptions ;P~
2018-07-25T13:15:23 < cpctr> ah ffs
2018-07-25T13:15:34 < dongs> did you just question me about assuming your gender
2018-07-25T13:15:41 < dongs> get back in your cave nonbinary fag
2018-07-25T13:16:00 < Haohmaru> heh, nope
2018-07-25T13:17:32 < cpctr> it is getting a little bit african american here
2018-07-25T13:17:49 < Haohmaru> how come?
2018-07-25T13:21:38 < Steffanx> Wb dongs
2018-07-25T13:21:42 < Steffanx> We missed tou
2018-07-25T13:21:44 < Steffanx> You.
2018-07-25T13:21:51 < dongs> no problem
2018-07-25T13:21:53 < dongs> i';ll be gone again soon
2018-07-25T13:22:04 < Haohmaru> we should really learn how to aim bett0r
2018-07-25T13:22:05 < Haohmaru> ;P~
2018-07-25T13:22:13  * Haohmaru runs
2018-07-25T13:37:49 < Steffanx> You know its waay to hot to do some running Haohmaru ?
2018-07-25T13:38:11 < Haohmaru> nah, iz gud tod*y
2018-07-25T13:38:15 < Haohmaru> !wz varna
2018-07-25T13:38:16 < englishbot> [Varna, Bulgaria] Scattered Clouds. Temp is 26.7°C. SE wind: 3.2 kph. Humidity: 56%.
2018-07-25T13:39:05 < Haohmaru> the englishbot dont lies
2018-07-25T13:39:41 < dongs> https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/992828/japan-killer-heatwave-tokyo-23-dead there's a KILLER HEATWAVE in japan
2018-07-25T13:40:39 < Haohmaru> 40 is not funny
2018-07-25T13:45:19 < jpa-> here the headlines are: "Finland is roasting under an incomprehensible frying cupola: +30 degrees for atleast next 10 days"
2018-07-25T13:46:07 < Haohmaru> yeah, 30 degrees up there is crazy
2018-07-25T13:46:15 < Haohmaru> my cousin is in .no
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2018-07-25T13:48:12 < karlp> and we just get yet another flat grey day. worst summer ever here.
2018-07-25T13:48:40 < jpa-> time to take a trip to the continent
2018-07-25T13:49:43 < cpctr> where's that
2018-07-25T13:49:59 < cpctr> i want to party in onkaloo
2018-07-25T13:50:15 < jpa-> it's not a loo
2018-07-25T13:51:33 < cpctr> iknow
2018-07-25T13:53:59 < karlp> nah, not travelling now. too close to family expansion time.
2018-07-25T13:55:12 < cpctr> i'm trying to market smoking fission products to heroin addicts
2018-07-25T13:55:35 < cpctr> or at least ingesting them
2018-07-25T13:56:20 < Haohmaru> o_O
2018-07-25T14:02:39 < cpctr> oh wow a youtube ad trying to con me into python
2018-07-25T14:24:48 < Thorn> live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsDknmK30C0
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2018-07-25T14:55:57 < Cracki> always bullseye
2018-07-25T14:56:16 < Cracki> last two iridiums they did _not_ try to land the first stage
2018-07-25T14:57:45 < Thorn> they were getting rid of old block 4 stages
2018-07-25T15:01:27 < day> dongs: those fuckheads can stop whining
2018-07-25T15:01:34 < day> "heatwave" kek
2018-07-25T15:01:59 < day> ive 32 in my fuckn office while they have AC
2018-07-25T15:02:19 < Haohmaru> i've 30 at home
2018-07-25T15:02:29 < Haohmaru> no AC
2018-07-25T15:05:12 < day> the trick is to not move or work :^)
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2018-07-25T15:12:28 < Haohmaru> yeah, but at certain point it gets hard to even think..
2018-07-25T15:12:32 < Haohmaru> or exist
2018-07-25T15:12:44 < Haohmaru> might be more than 30, i'm not sure
2018-07-25T15:12:52 < Haohmaru> often it's hotter than outside
2018-07-25T15:18:40 < day> it totally sucks. but the japanese media is overhyping it a "little bit"
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2018-07-25T15:29:42 < Steffanx> Zhe germans can only do ovens uh? No AC.
2018-07-25T15:29:53 < Cracki> you got that right
2018-07-25T15:30:09 < Cracki> few commercial and govt buildings have AC here. 
2018-07-25T15:30:37 < Cracki> btw, the numbers don't add up!
2018-07-25T15:33:51 < Cracki> flood your basement, collect admission fees
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2018-07-25T15:36:41 < Thorn> around here 8 hour days are only allowed if office temperature is 28°C or less
2018-07-25T15:45:28 < sync> Steffanx: I always wondered why that is
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2018-07-25T16:07:36 < day> Thorn: nice. we looked into that here already. but as long as you dont die of a heatstroke you can work :^)
2018-07-25T16:16:33 < veverak> so, am using Tracepoints in GDB, have anybody any experience with it distrupting I2C communication? (STM32F03, HAL, Slave i2c COM)
2018-07-25T16:16:59 < veverak> on the oscilloscope, it seems like the slave tries to hold the CLK line of i2c for 0.3s, which only happens with tracepoints :/
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2018-07-25T17:22:46 < Cracki> veverak, what all are you tracing?
2018-07-25T17:22:57 < Cracki> sounds like some buffer runs full
2018-07-25T17:23:22 < veverak> it reads RGB colors from i2c sensor
2018-07-25T17:23:33 < Cracki> sure, but what are you tracing?
2018-07-25T17:23:38 < Cracki> sounds like it's tracing too much
2018-07-25T17:23:42 < veverak> so I print the color when it is done
2018-07-25T17:23:47 < veverak> or, the RGB values
2018-07-25T17:24:10 < Cracki> wait what...
2018-07-25T17:24:15 < Cracki> the slave disrupts the i2c?
2018-07-25T17:24:24 < Cracki> slave being some module, not the stm32?
2018-07-25T17:24:37 < veverak> master <-> slave <-> i2c sensor
2018-07-25T17:24:47 < Cracki> define your terms.
2018-07-25T17:24:51 < Cracki> be concrete.
2018-07-25T17:25:12 < veverak>  master (stm32l4) <-i2c-> slave(stm32f0) <-i2c-> rgb sensor
2018-07-25T17:25:22 < Cracki> good to know!
2018-07-25T17:25:29 < Cracki> now where does it hurt?
2018-07-25T17:25:31 < veverak> so, the "slave" is slave for the smt32l4, but master for the rgb sensor
2018-07-25T17:26:15 < veverak> Cracki: with 'tracing: print RGB when received from rgb sensor', the stm32f0 tends to hold the i2c clock line up to 0.3s
2018-07-25T17:26:30 < Cracki> what are you tracing?
2018-07-25T17:26:37 < Cracki> do you mean serial output?
2018-07-25T17:27:07 < Cracki> which clock line does it hold?
2018-07-25T17:27:15 < veverak> the one between L4 and F0
2018-07-25T17:27:25 < Cracki> and which stm32 do you trace?
2018-07-25T17:27:30 < veverak> F0
2018-07-25T17:27:35 < Cracki> and what do you trace?
2018-07-25T17:28:01 < veverak> that;s the part where I am not exactly sure, I use "Add tracepoint" in visual studio and set it up to print the array with RGB val, AFAIK that should correspond to GDB/OpenOCD 'trace' functionality, that stores those values in memory and once in a time copies them to the host computer
2018-07-25T17:28:05 < veverak> hmm
2018-07-25T17:28:12 < Cracki> how large is the array
2018-07-25T17:28:26 < veverak> 3 RGB values, but I have limited information abotu the buffer for tracing mechanism
2018-07-25T17:28:40 < veverak> TBH, I am thinking about switching to UART
2018-07-25T17:28:47 < veverak> as I have more information about that and how ti works
2018-07-25T17:30:44 < srk> ITM/ETM can slow down clock if needed
2018-07-25T17:31:29 < veverak> yeah, that is what OpenOCD manual suggest, but wanted to make sure
2018-07-25T17:32:33 < karlp> veverak: tracepoints? with what commands in oocd are you using?
2018-07-25T17:32:52 < karlp> I think you'd be better off using ITM tracing
2018-07-25T17:33:05 < karlp> srk: pretty sure only ETM can slow the clock, itm just overflows
2018-07-25T17:33:37 < srk> yeah, wasn't sure which one
2018-07-25T17:33:46 < karlp> still, ITM tracing is _aweesome_
2018-07-25T17:34:08 < veverak> karlp: that's the part I am not sure about, as I am still using VS studio tools for that :)
2018-07-25T17:37:58 < srk> karlp: how do you run it?
2018-07-25T17:38:15 < srk> I mean get data from it, SWO?
2018-07-25T17:39:29 < karlp> yteah, swo.
2018-07-25T17:39:39 < karlp> stlink hardware and oocd work jsut fine.
2018-07-25T17:39:55 < srk> 404 :D
2018-07-25T17:40:05 < karlp> what?
2018-07-25T17:40:11 < karlp> tpiu config internal swodump.stm32f4disco.log uart off 168000000
2018-07-25T17:40:26 < karlp> and then I use orbuculum mostly these days to parse and dump and filter the swo dump
2018-07-25T17:40:50 < srk> I want to try it again with BMP
2018-07-25T17:41:23 < srk> didn't work with CP2102
2018-07-25T17:42:53 < veverak> lol
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2018-07-25T17:43:00 < veverak> well, semihosting won't distrubt the i2c com
2018-07-25T17:43:06 < veverak> it just won't output anything :)
2018-07-25T17:43:15 < veverak> (worked until I started up the master)
2018-07-25T17:43:20 < karlp> probably because it's not dign anything.
2018-07-25T17:43:30 < karlp> semihosting is definitely going to interfere with things too,
2018-07-25T17:44:46 < veverak> it worked until master started to communicate with the f0 slave and started to work again when I disabled master
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2018-07-25T17:50:14 < englishman> invzim: i have the solution
2018-07-25T17:50:17 < englishman> use less pth
2018-07-25T17:52:30 < sync> ^
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2018-07-25T17:57:47 < englishman> looks like you will be going to rev6
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2018-07-25T18:01:38 < veverak> one decimal revision number? no fun!
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2018-07-25T18:13:26 < veverak> karlp: the semihosting managed to be non-intrusive
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2018-07-25T18:19:55 < Steffanx> No way veverak. 
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2018-07-25T18:36:53 < jpa-> semihosting affects timing a lot
2018-07-25T18:40:23 < Sadale> why?
2018-07-25T18:42:02 < karlp> because of how it works?
2018-07-25T18:43:21 < jpa-> yeah, semihosting is basically a breakpoint + some logic on the PC side
2018-07-25T18:43:37 < jpa-> so it will pause for atleast 1 millisecond when using USB-based debuggers
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2018-07-25T18:44:32 < jpa-> (and it will pause the whole system, instead of a single thread in an RTOS)
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2018-07-25T20:05:40 < Adluc> hello guys, having an ADC with AVDD. is it sufficient to connect it through 600 ohm SMD ferrite core from DVDD?
2018-07-25T20:06:00 < Adluc> or do you make more trickery?
2018-07-25T20:06:23 < Adluc> with decouple cups on AVDD, connected to common GND
2018-07-25T20:06:25 < antto> doesn't the datasheet suggest how to wire it up?
2018-07-25T20:06:47 < karlp> it's "sufficient" to do nothing special, sufficient in this is for you to work out
2018-07-25T20:13:44 < Adluc> i guess I'll follow TI guide with ferrite core and decoupling caps based on internal oscillator of the ADC
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2018-07-25T20:36:25 < Steffanx> im pretty sure st has some Application notes about it
2018-07-25T20:36:34 < invzim> man, manual assembly becomes tedious fast 
2018-07-25T20:37:06 < antto> take a break
2018-07-25T20:37:24 < Steffanx> how many boards do you have to do invzim?
2018-07-25T20:37:26 < Steffanx>  / parts
2018-07-25T20:37:50 < invzim> not sure, making 20 to begin with
2018-07-25T20:37:54 < invzim> 10 down so far
2018-07-25T20:39:48 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/open?id=13eu387YAe_0r8C0LaX_7EjNKPE_n8UF3
2018-07-25T20:40:51 < antto> that's kewl looking
2018-07-25T20:41:19 < invzim> the olded screen will get an SMD female header in next rev so I can just plug it in
2018-07-25T20:41:45 < invzim> any usb connectors type a female that is smd and actually works?
2018-07-25T20:43:31 < antto> those used on usb flash sticks maybe?
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2018-07-25T20:43:44 < antto> the ones which don't break ;P~
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2018-07-25T21:29:14 < Rickta59> what did libopencm3 used to be called?
2018-07-25T21:29:31 < Steffanx> libopenstm32
2018-07-25T21:29:36 < Rickta59> ah ,, right thanks
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2018-07-25T21:37:32 < englishman> invzim: doesnt look too bad
2018-07-25T21:37:53 < englishman> i have to do a couple thousand pth today
2018-07-25T21:38:07 < englishman> http://www.thermaltronics.com/af-kit.php
2018-07-25T21:38:13 < Steffanx> "have to" :P
2018-07-25T21:38:13 < englishman> i got this to hurry it along
2018-07-25T21:38:31 < Steffanx> that actually looks useful.
2018-07-25T21:38:47 < jpa-> Steffanx: i received your email but i'm not gonna pay   http://paste.dy.fi/Vcj/plain
2018-07-25T21:39:04 < Lux> englishman: got good fume extraction too ?
2018-07-25T21:39:15 < englishman> no i inhale it 100% makes the day go by faster
2018-07-25T21:39:22 < Steffanx> hmm, i received such message too jpa-. are you sure it was me?
2018-07-25T21:40:29 < jpa-> ah, i just thought it was you because it was your porn site
2018-07-25T21:40:36 < englishman> Lux: https://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=1691-1039-ND
2018-07-25T21:40:42 < englishman> i got this but i never use it, too noisy
2018-07-25T21:41:09 < Steffanx> im saddened that you think about me like that, jpa-
2018-07-25T21:41:34 < jpa-> englishman: i have the same, in addition to noise it doesn't suck very much
2018-07-25T21:41:39 < Lux> you can probably also just put up a pc fan to blow the fumes away
2018-07-25T21:41:49 < Lux> still better than directly inhaling it
2018-07-25T21:42:02 < Lux> especially lead free flux is bad
2018-07-25T21:42:04 < jpa-> nowadays i just have desk fan to blow them away + air purifier to catch whatever is floating indoors anyway
2018-07-25T21:42:08 < Steffanx> Just get some PVC tubes and some lightish pump and you'll be done.
2018-07-25T21:42:13 < Steffanx> blow it outside.
2018-07-25T21:42:24 < Steffanx> and you can even bend/move it.
2018-07-25T21:42:34 < Lux> definetly the way to go^
2018-07-25T21:43:07 < englishman> no windows
2018-07-25T21:43:23 < englishman> Lux knows, he was here fixing my edison
2018-07-25T21:43:46 < Steffanx> then filtered it somewhere not close to you.
2018-07-25T21:43:56 < Lux> but you have some ventilation to the outside right ?
2018-07-25T21:43:58 < Steffanx> edison cant be fixed.
2018-07-25T21:44:09 < Lux> it can but still garbage :)
2018-07-25T21:44:26 < englishman> yes, and i really like being at work today, 31C outside with 97% humidity
2018-07-25T21:44:38 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-07-25T21:44:39 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 25.0°C. Humidity: 75%.
2018-07-25T21:45:48 < Lux> this fume extractor is kinda decent: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2119523
2018-07-25T21:45:53 < Lux> but you have to build it
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2018-07-25T21:46:48 < englishman> maybe in the new office
2018-07-25T21:47:42 < Steffanx> new new office?
2018-07-25T21:47:46 < Steffanx> or still old new office?
2018-07-25T21:49:25 < englishman> nothing firm yet, but i have to get out of here soon enough
2018-07-25T21:52:49 < jpa-> is your mom kicking you out?
2018-07-25T21:53:14 < englishman> she's in no condition to be kicking
2018-07-25T21:53:34 < invzim> englishman: it takes tiiime, the edge connector is 56 pins alone
2018-07-25T21:54:50 < invzim> thank F I got a proper iron (metcal) with suitable tips
2018-07-25T21:55:03 < englishman> yes that will do it swiftly
2018-07-25T21:55:16 < Steffanx> I'd rather make me something like this then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdrFsuAcm48
2018-07-25T21:55:19 < Steffanx> seems quiet enough
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2018-07-25T21:56:07 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/iCH1GHT.jpg?1
2018-07-25T21:56:09 < englishman> that is my pth today
2018-07-25T21:56:10 < Cracki> !wz aachen
2018-07-25T21:56:12 < englishbot> [Aachen, Germany] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 31°C. NNE wind: 11 kph.
2018-07-25T21:56:25 < Steffanx> unlucky cookie.
2018-07-25T21:56:32 < Cracki> 100% humidity and the bus drivers don't even run the ventilation
2018-07-25T21:56:57 < Cracki> days like these make me understand a leftist's desire to throw mollies at shit
2018-07-25T21:57:08 < invzim> did you try spade/knife tips to get more pins at once?
2018-07-25T21:57:13 < Steffanx> iis this one of those bottom horizontal only and top vertical only designs englishman?
2018-07-25T21:57:15 < Cracki> ^
2018-07-25T21:57:32 < englishman> yes as it should be
2018-07-25T21:57:43 < Steffanx> if you say so.
2018-07-25T21:57:45 < englishman> well no its also 4L
2018-07-25T21:58:00 < englishman> but inner planes are mostly intact
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2018-07-25T22:19:53 < cpctr> identify theepot
2018-07-25T22:20:12 < Cracki> wat
2018-07-25T22:20:31 < Cracki> hope that's not your password
2018-07-25T22:20:32 < cpctr> Crack
2018-07-25T22:20:49 < cpctr> That’s me heritage
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2018-07-25T22:22:53 < Steffanx> *muh
2018-07-25T22:26:08 < cpctr> Hi sir
2018-07-25T22:27:47 < englishman> where is hitlercat
2018-07-25T22:27:58 < cpctr> Welcome
2018-07-25T22:28:15 < Steffanx> Sieg Keil is all we need.
2018-07-25T22:28:28 < bitmask> who is the one that recommended pva straight on the alu heatbed
2018-07-25T22:28:29 < cpctr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/pZI6Z1io/sup.PNG
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2018-07-25T22:29:10 < bitmask> I just spread some diluted pva on glass and it looks great, havent tried it yet but thanks for the idea whoever you were
2018-07-25T22:29:45 < englishman> Original Airdate February 21, 1991
2018-07-25T22:29:57 < bitmask> I was in first grade
2018-07-25T22:29:59 < cpctr> The homer
2018-07-25T22:31:19 < Steffanx> i wasnt even born in 1991.
2018-07-25T22:31:37 < englishman> wut
2018-07-25T22:31:38 < bitmask> you were a little sperm in your fathers ballsack
2018-07-25T22:31:40 < englishman> papa stefs
2018-07-25T22:31:45 < bitmask> and I think thats lies anyway
2018-07-25T22:32:27 < bitmask> the year tells my grade, 91 = 1st, 95 = 5th, 99 = 9th, I think you get the idea
2018-07-25T22:33:33 < cpctr> Wtf am I reading
2018-07-25T22:33:41 < Steffanx> idk
2018-07-25T22:33:56 < cpctr> Just tell me I’m still asleep stffn
2018-07-25T22:34:01 < englishman> damn milennials
2018-07-25T22:34:10 < Steffanx> Let me check cpctr
2018-07-25T22:34:21 < cpctr> Millennium bong
2018-07-25T22:34:23 < Steffanx> 05:34:15 yes, better be asleep
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2018-07-25T22:36:35 < cpctr> Thank
2018-07-25T22:36:45 < bitmask> your welcome
2018-07-25T22:36:49 < bitmask> you're
2018-07-25T22:36:56 < bitmask> you are
2018-07-25T22:37:04 < cpctr> Cool
2018-07-25T22:37:08 < bitmask> or my welcome
2018-07-25T22:37:34 < cpctr> I be back
2018-07-25T22:38:01 < bitmask> did I scare you away
2018-07-25T22:38:18 < bitmask> don't be frightened, lets cuddle
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2018-07-25T22:49:34 < cpctr> Nuh shower
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2018-07-25T22:50:56 < Steffanx> You meant: HELLO WELCOME, or THANK YOU WELCOME, bitmask
2018-07-25T22:51:29 < Steffanx> https://twitter.com/_gnarkid/status/907496145512914944 
2018-07-25T22:51:40 < Steffanx> For get me father for i have sinned ( shit posted )
2018-07-25T22:51:44 < Steffanx> *forgive
2018-07-25T22:51:54 < bitmask> hah
2018-07-25T22:53:31 < Steffanx> Now you'll hear that voice whenever i say "hello welcome" or "thank you welcome!" bitmask
2018-07-25T22:53:37 < Steffanx> you've been ruined more.
2018-07-25T22:54:10 < cpctr> Full take care
2018-07-25T22:54:15 < cpctr> Do everything
2018-07-25T22:55:09 < bitmask> she a pro
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2018-07-25T23:24:08 < bvernoux> Does anyone has tested to use an STM32 with an FTDI FT2232H in CPU FIFO/245 FIFO mode ? 
2018-07-25T23:29:15 < Thorn> why not builtin usb peripheral
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2018-07-25T23:37:23 < englishman> i use a ft4232h as a lunix-backed test machine with a bed of nails thing
2018-07-25T23:37:33 < englishman> it tests a stm32
2018-07-25T23:39:31 < cpctr> Nice stm32
2018-07-25T23:39:57 < cpctr> Capacitor soldering crt
2018-07-25T23:44:02 < vampi-the-frog> trump32
2018-07-25T23:44:18 < vampi-the-frog> I find it amazing that you can still buy Z80s
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2018-07-25T23:45:49 < Steffanx> as in manufacturered in 2018 according to the wiki.
2018-07-25T23:45:54 < Steffanx> fancy
2018-07-25T23:47:35 < cpctr> the classic dogs
2018-07-25T23:48:43 < kakimir> A/C bliss
2018-07-25T23:49:17 < kakimir> 21 standard room air
2018-07-25T23:49:20 < kakimir> 21C
2018-07-25T23:51:00 < cpctr> welcome kakimir 
2018-07-25T23:52:44 < cpctr> we're now a z80 channel
2018-07-25T23:53:05 < kakimir> good
2018-07-25T23:58:14 < vampi-the-frog> and I think they still manufacture Z180 as well, but they're harder to find
2018-07-25T23:59:17 < cpctr> so they actually make microprocessors and not just microcontrollers?
2018-07-25T23:59:30 < bvernoux> englishman, question is does anyone has already tried FTx232H with FIFO Mode with STM32 ?
2018-07-25T23:59:42 < englishman> you mean with stm32 as host
2018-07-25T23:59:48 < vampi-the-frog> they make microcontrollers as well but those are harder to find aparently
2018-07-25T23:59:57 < bvernoux> as I have seen only paper to do that with FPGA and it will be interesting to see how fast it can be with an STM32 using tricks ...
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2018-07-26T00:00:14 < englishman> can you be less descriptive please
2018-07-26T00:00:23 < englishman> i can almost tell what you want to do
2018-07-26T00:01:02 < bvernoux> the idea will be to test that with latest STM32H7 ;)
2018-07-26T00:01:04 < Adluc> bvernoux: https://github.com/icebreaker-fpga/icebreaker
2018-07-26T00:01:05 < Adluc> https://github.com/icebreaker-fpga/icebreaker/blob/master/hardware/v0.2a/icebreaker-sch.pdf
2018-07-26T00:01:08 < vampi-the-frog> I don't get it, you have USARTs on STM32 anyway
2018-07-26T00:01:18 < Adluc> you mean like this? connected BDBUS*
2018-07-26T00:01:33 < bvernoux> the idea is to use FIFO in order to use the USB 2.0HS at maximum with the FTDI2232H
2018-07-26T00:01:49 < bvernoux> the USART mode is not really interesting for that purpose
2018-07-26T00:02:01 < vampi-the-frog> I've done 2Mbaud easily
2018-07-26T00:02:31 < vampi-the-frog> maybe 3Mbaud
2018-07-26T00:02:46 < Adluc> vampi-the-frog: with regular UART with CTS/RTS?
2018-07-26T00:02:49 < bvernoux> I have done 10Mbauds ;)
2018-07-26T00:02:56 < vampi-the-frog> just TX, nothing else
2018-07-26T00:02:58 < bvernoux> but the question is towards FIFO mode
2018-07-26T00:03:18 < Adluc> bvernoux: over what? i am eager to try that FIFO on ice40
2018-07-26T00:03:30 < Adluc> to know how realtime can I get
2018-07-26T00:03:38 < bvernoux> FT2232H FIFO <=> STM32 ;)
2018-07-26T00:04:09 < bvernoux> icebreaker seems interesting but done with an FPGA
2018-07-26T00:04:36 < vampi-the-frog> bvernoux: an alternative is to add an ULPI PHY to a micro and, you know
2018-07-26T00:04:38 < Adluc> there is no HW mechanism in STM32 for handling that parallel FIFO, right?
2018-07-26T00:04:57 < bvernoux> in fact there is
2018-07-26T00:05:04 < englishman> fsmc, maybe
2018-07-26T00:05:11 < bvernoux> there is tons of way to do it but I'm asking is someone have done it already
2018-07-26T00:05:24 < englishman> what problem are you solving
2018-07-26T00:05:55 < bvernoux> the idea is to have an ultra fast STM32 <=> USB pipe
2018-07-26T00:06:16 < bvernoux> without using USB of STM32 as it is not good for hard realtime stuff
2018-07-26T00:06:38 < vampi-the-frog> I see
2018-07-26T00:06:47 < bvernoux> as of today the only way to do it is STM32 + FTDI FT2232H
2018-07-26T00:07:03 < Rickta59> do you want bidirectional stuff bvernoux ?
2018-07-26T00:07:04 < englishman> yes that makes sense
2018-07-26T00:07:11 < englishman> sounds like what you want is a computer's LPT port
2018-07-26T00:07:12 < bvernoux> yes of course bi-dir
2018-07-26T00:07:24 < Rickta59> you can get really high speed out of the SWO pin
2018-07-26T00:07:33 < Rickta59> but it out of the stm32 only
2018-07-26T00:07:45 < Thorn> why isn't buitin usb good for real time?
2018-07-26T00:07:55 < englishman> autism
2018-07-26T00:07:56 < bvernoux> because it is awful with IRQ ;)
2018-07-26T00:08:21 < bvernoux> and slow compared to transparent bridge like FTDI
2018-07-26T00:08:45 < bvernoux> for example to output things in realtime without taking care of USB stuff
2018-07-26T00:08:49 < bvernoux> with IRQ disabled ...
2018-07-26T00:09:15 < Thorn> iirc ftdi is doing some heavy magic iirc and you have to know how to get speed out of it, and you have to use their d2xx api
2018-07-26T00:09:15 < bvernoux> a good example is an ultra fast Logic Analyzer
2018-07-26T00:09:28 < bvernoux> you need to output data as fast as possible
2018-07-26T00:09:50 < bvernoux> they d2api can be done with libusb ;)
2018-07-26T00:09:50 < Thorn> I'm pretty sure stm32 will have a larger usb fifo than ftdi
2018-07-26T00:09:55 < bvernoux> so it is not really a problem
2018-07-26T00:10:12 < Cracki> cheap LAs are done with fx2/fx3
2018-07-26T00:10:24 < Cracki> you really don't need ftdi
2018-07-26T00:10:26 < bvernoux> if stm32 will have dual core with one dedicated to USB 2.0 HS it will be perfect but it is not the case
2018-07-26T00:10:41 < Thorn> and you don't even have to use interrupts with usb
2018-07-26T00:10:42 < Adluc> Cracki: any recommendations for Cheap LA?
2018-07-26T00:10:51 < bvernoux> Cracki, it is an example the idea is not to do that
2018-07-26T00:10:53 < Cracki> "8ch 24mhz" on aliexpress
2018-07-26T00:11:01 < Cracki> uses fx2, costs 5 bucks
2018-07-26T00:11:01 < Thorn> you can poll it if you want
2018-07-26T00:11:16 < bvernoux> Thorn, yes but it is crap ;)
2018-07-26T00:11:20 < Cracki> *or "24m", depends on their offers
2018-07-26T00:11:34 < Thorn> I don't get why
2018-07-26T00:11:47 < Cracki> browse the sigrok wiki for other supported LAs and related devices
2018-07-26T00:12:00 < bvernoux> anyway it is not compliant with hard realtime system
2018-07-26T00:12:01 < Adluc> and something more real-time? currently using rigol with riglol license for realtime UART/SPI decoding
2018-07-26T00:12:09 < bvernoux> when you have no CPU cycles to refresh the USB
2018-07-26T00:12:14 < vampi-the-frog> what is this fx2 stuff?
2018-07-26T00:12:16 < vampi-the-frog> FPGAs?
2018-07-26T00:12:33 < Cracki> fx2 is a cypress IC, it's high speed usb and a processor in it
2018-07-26T00:12:40 < Cracki> the cheap fx2 based "saleae clones" are cheap (5 bucks) and work well
2018-07-26T00:12:54 < bvernoux> i do not want an FX2 I want a STM32 ;)
2018-07-26T00:12:56 < vampi-the-frog> it can do high speed?
2018-07-26T00:13:10 < Cracki> the "fx2lafw" is just firmware for an fx2 chip. you can turn any fx2 dev board into a LA
2018-07-26T00:13:13 < bvernoux> FX2 is bloated inside to discuss with external world
2018-07-26T00:13:14 < Cracki> sure it can
2018-07-26T00:13:15 < vampi-the-frog> bvernoux: you're smarter than us, so best qualified to do your thing
2018-07-26T00:13:15 < srk> fx2 is hell
2018-07-26T00:13:43 < bvernoux> so ok I have my answer no one know
2018-07-26T00:13:57 < vampi-the-frog> yeah your penis is larger than all our penises combined
2018-07-26T00:14:05 < vampi-the-frog> guys let's combine our penises to prove it
2018-07-26T00:14:06 < srk> USB is shite for realtime
2018-07-26T00:14:17 < vampi-the-frog> whip it out
2018-07-26T00:14:21 < srk> noiw
2018-07-26T00:14:25 < srk> now!
2018-07-26T00:14:30 < Cracki> I feel trolled, but not by the frog
2018-07-26T00:14:32 < bvernoux> srk, yes it is, it is why I think to use a FT2232H or similar things
2018-07-26T00:14:45 < vampi-the-frog> I've lathered mine in crazy glue so we can be together forever
2018-07-26T00:14:46 < englishman> why are you guys trying to reinvent the parallel port
2018-07-26T00:14:48 < srk> that's still USB
2018-07-26T00:14:53 < bvernoux> the idea is to push or retrieve data with DMA without taking care of USB things ...
2018-07-26T00:15:02 < bvernoux> in streaming way
2018-07-26T00:15:11 < srk> also why stm if you have FT2232?
2018-07-26T00:15:30 < bvernoux> because STM will do precious function at very high speed
2018-07-26T00:15:33 < Cracki> it it doesn't make sense, ignore
2018-07-26T00:15:41 < Cracki> wat
2018-07-26T00:15:46 < Cracki> precious function??
2018-07-26T00:15:58 < bvernoux> as of today this idea is for HydraBus
2018-07-26T00:16:02 < vampi-the-frog> one_ring_to_rule_them_all()
2018-07-26T00:16:04 < bvernoux> it is like BusPirate with STM32
2018-07-26T00:16:13 < bvernoux> but the bottlneck is the USB FS ...
2018-07-26T00:16:16 < Cracki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2018-07-26T00:16:16 < bvernoux> integrated
2018-07-26T00:16:25 < Cracki> this is getting silly
2018-07-26T00:16:33 < bvernoux> also using ULPI is not better because of USB overhead to be managed by the MCU
2018-07-26T00:16:34  * jadew already did that
2018-07-26T00:16:37 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/TZAu6AO.png
2018-07-26T00:16:38 < jadew> didn't sell
2018-07-26T00:17:00 < vampi-the-frog> bvernoux: you can do 2xSTM32 + 1ULPI
2018-07-26T00:17:25 < bvernoux> does I have mentioned the price and space is important ;) ?
2018-07-26T00:18:15 < Steffanx> Did you just repost a blaxter link the englishman ?!
2018-07-26T00:18:48 < englishman> i hope not, that meme is ancient
2018-07-26T00:19:00 < bvernoux> it could be a good idea with STM32 with integrated PHY for USB 2.0HS and very small package like LQFP32 or less ;)
2018-07-26T00:19:06 < bvernoux> and very low cost ;)
2018-07-26T00:19:10 < bvernoux> but it does not exist
2018-07-26T00:19:25 < jadew> bvernoux, I did what you're trying to do, it wasn't a succesful product
2018-07-26T00:19:37 < Steffanx> Cracki didnt meet bvernoux before it seems. 
2018-07-26T00:19:53 < bvernoux> jadew, ha which product ?
2018-07-26T00:19:54 < jadew> did it maybe 4-5 years ago
2018-07-26T00:19:58 < vampi-the-frog> forget this STM32 stuff, use a real microcontroller
2018-07-26T00:20:04 < jadew> something like bus pirate but with stm32
2018-07-26T00:20:09 < jadew> had killer specs too
2018-07-26T00:20:21 < bvernoux> jadew, yes it will be never a killer product but I like the idea
2018-07-26T00:20:24 < jadew> and was also doing some things that the STM32 can't do natively
2018-07-26T00:20:44 < jadew> and was speaking a shitload of protocols
2018-07-26T00:20:48 < bvernoux> as anyway buspirate is a very small niche market
2018-07-26T00:21:02 < jadew> yeah, well, people don't really seem to want to buy something like that
2018-07-26T00:21:05 < bvernoux> but I like the idea to do multiple things with a small ultra powerful board
2018-07-26T00:21:14 < zyp> sup?
2018-07-26T00:21:17 < jadew> I thought I might get back to it at some point, since it's ready, it just needs a few things ironed out
2018-07-26T00:21:19 < jadew> but meh...
2018-07-26T00:21:22 < vampi-the-frog> how's your vacation going zyp 
2018-07-26T00:21:27 < zyp> going great
2018-07-26T00:21:30 < jadew> bvernoux, what's your price point?
2018-07-26T00:21:59 < bvernoux> jadew, it is the same for HydraBus project it is open source HW & SW and I do not sell kunits ;)
2018-07-26T00:22:10 < bvernoux> jadew, but it was not the objective
2018-07-26T00:22:19 < zyp> turns out germans haven't figured out how to turn on requiring payment on their charging stations, so today I drove on 100% free electricity
2018-07-26T00:22:32 < vampi-the-frog> heh alright
2018-07-26T00:23:04 < bvernoux> jadew, main issue was price of the STM32F405 used as it is so expensive ...
2018-07-26T00:23:19 < zyp> also found one of Porsche's new 350kW chargers, so I tried that one
2018-07-26T00:23:20 < englishman> how were your innovations today Steffanx 
2018-07-26T00:23:24 < zyp> actually, I found six of them
2018-07-26T00:23:27 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/o5YEM.jpg
2018-07-26T00:23:39 < zyp> wish my car could actually saturate that :p
2018-07-26T00:23:40 < englishman> that's a lot of power
2018-07-26T00:23:47 < zyp> yeah
2018-07-26T00:23:58 < Steffanx> Good. Sir, englishman. Such innovation written down in a test document
2018-07-26T00:24:07 < zyp> apparently they have a water cooling loop all the way through the cable that plugs into the car
2018-07-26T00:24:09 < Steffanx> And pro capacitive touch
2018-07-26T00:24:22 < vampi-the-frog> to cool the cable?
2018-07-26T00:24:37 < cpctr> where can i plug it in zyp 
2018-07-26T00:24:55 < zyp> vampi-the-frog, yeah, and probably the plug as well
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2018-07-26T00:25:20 < vampi-the-frog> sounds dangerous though
2018-07-26T00:25:56 < Steffanx> What about your innovations mr englishman 
2018-07-26T00:26:03 < cpctr> only if chinese
2018-07-26T00:26:35 < zyp> https://www.hubersuhner.com/en/solutions/automotive/products/high-power-charging/radox-hpc-high-power-charging-system <- the cable was this kind
2018-07-26T00:27:46 < englishman> Steffanx: not much today, too busy with boring money making crap :(
2018-07-26T00:27:58 < vampi-the-frog> "making charging cool again"
2018-07-26T00:28:17 < jadew> zyp, where are you vacationing?
2018-07-26T00:28:22 < zyp> germany
2018-07-26T00:28:26 < zyp> currently in Bremen
2018-07-26T00:29:15 < englishman> Steffanx: i signed up for a st webinar though
2018-07-26T00:29:20 < jadew> nice, never been there
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2018-07-26T00:29:34 < jadew> but all my trips to Germany were pretty good
2018-07-26T00:29:37 < vampi-the-frog> there is such a thing as a ST webinar?
2018-07-26T00:29:43 < jadew> good food and drinks
2018-07-26T00:29:49 < cpctr> integrated cooling system i like the sound of it
2018-07-26T00:30:02 < vampi-the-frog> you can adapt one for enemas
2018-07-26T00:31:02 < cpctr> yes
2018-07-26T00:31:17 < cpctr> thats the technology it was made from
2018-07-26T00:31:19 < cpctr> clearly
2018-07-26T00:31:28 < englishman> zyp: i ordered those chinese EVSEs
2018-07-26T00:31:32 < vampi-the-frog> ass cooling system
2018-07-26T00:31:36 < englishman> 16A and 32A models
2018-07-26T00:31:43 < vampi-the-frog> 32Ass
2018-07-26T00:32:52 < vampi-the-frog> englishman: what webinar have you signed up for?
2018-07-26T00:33:01 < englishman> btle mesh
2018-07-26T00:33:03 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/VYY3zsw.png
2018-07-26T00:33:26 < englishman> $165 for 16A, $210 for 32A, box, cord, plug all included
2018-07-26T00:33:35 < englishman> way cheaper than the opensores stuff
2018-07-26T00:34:37 < Steffanx> Isnt nordic the only ble you want?
2018-07-26T00:35:27 < Steffanx> Nordic stuff*
2018-07-26T00:35:30 < englishman> well i mostly want to listen for all the new age bluetooth lingo
2018-07-26T00:35:37 < englishman> especially with the mesh shit
2018-07-26T00:35:41 < bvernoux> englishman, interesting to check the power of my house and Linky ;)
2018-07-26T00:35:49 < englishman> lots of new terminology i'm not familar with
2018-07-26T00:35:52 < vampi-the-frog> I don't understand
2018-07-26T00:35:59 < vampi-the-frog> are you paying for a webinar or a product?
2018-07-26T00:36:14 < karlp> englishman: that shipped fast
2018-07-26T00:36:21 < karlp> didn't you only order it a day or two ago?
2018-07-26T00:36:54 < englishman> last night
2018-07-26T00:37:01 < englishman> i'm not paying for a webinar.
2018-07-26T00:37:15 < vampi-the-frog> <englishman> Steffanx: i signed up for a st webinar though
2018-07-26T00:37:19 < englishman> the irl st seminar i went to was free too. and they were handing out disco boards like candy
2018-07-26T00:37:35 < vampi-the-frog> was this at an electronics expo or something?
2018-07-26T00:38:33 < vampi-the-frog> what disco boards did you get
2018-07-26T00:38:57 < jadew> nothing like that in Romania
2018-07-26T00:38:58 < englishman> an f0 something
2018-07-26T00:39:01 < englishman> it was 5-6 years ago
2018-07-26T00:39:06 < jadew> all we get is fucking concerts
2018-07-26T00:39:26 < jadew> like anyone wants to have fun
2018-07-26T00:39:30 < englishman> and some bluetooth board
2018-07-26T00:39:44 < vampi-the-frog> I'm sure there might be an equivalent in Bucharest
2018-07-26T00:40:04 < jadew> vampi-the-frog, I doubt it
2018-07-26T00:40:10 < vampi-the-frog> TIB
2018-07-26T00:40:18 < karlp> invzim: are you really doing dual usb host on your board? 
2018-07-26T00:40:31 < englishman> no it wasn't part of an expo
2018-07-26T00:40:40 < vampi-the-frog> in october
2018-07-26T00:40:54 < jadew> neat
2018-07-26T00:41:01 < jadew> I'm going
2018-07-26T00:41:30 < vampi-the-frog> I'm only going for free stuff
2018-07-26T00:41:43 < jadew> looks like last year there was only one company
2018-07-26T00:41:49 < jadew> at least that's what it seems like from the photos
2018-07-26T00:41:53 < jadew> some guys with a CNC
2018-07-26T00:42:09 < jadew> maybe the pictures are misleading
2018-07-26T00:42:21 < vampi-the-frog> jadew: https://www.tib.ro/catalog-expozanti
2018-07-26T00:44:31 < jadew> looks ok
2018-07-26T00:44:34 < vampi-the-frog> jadew: even conex electronic xD
2018-07-26T00:44:39 < jadew> I'll bookmark it in my calendar
2018-07-26T00:45:10 < zyp> englishman, which?
2018-07-26T00:45:33 < zyp> only bad thing I have to say about germany so far is that everything closes way too early
2018-07-26T00:45:38 < vampi-the-frog> I wonder if the 3D printing companies will have free 3D printing
2018-07-26T00:45:40 < englishman> zyp: http://www.zencar.net/products/32a-evse/
2018-07-26T00:45:52 < vampi-the-frog> though they'll probably give out free yodas
2018-07-26T00:45:52 < zyp> any grocery store in the area seems to be closed, so I had to drop by the gas station next to the hotel to buy beer
2018-07-26T00:45:53 < jadew> vampi-the-frog, maybe they'll have free filament :P
2018-07-26T00:46:14 < zyp> englishman, ah, right
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2018-07-26T00:46:42 < zyp> englishman, how much did it cost?
2018-07-26T00:46:56 < englishman> usd 165 for 16a, 210 for 32a
2018-07-26T00:47:14 < jadew> vampi-the-frog, I'm going, wanna come?
2018-07-26T00:47:35 < englishman> they are too cheap, i won't be able to get the full $350 government rebate
2018-07-26T00:47:47 < vampi-the-frog> sure, if I don't forget
2018-07-26T00:48:09 < jadew> I put it in my calendar, hope I won't be busy
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2018-07-26T00:48:46 < karlp> I see titanmkd was up to their insane ideas again.
2018-07-26T00:49:13 < laurence_> muh gui
2018-07-26T00:49:26 < cpctr> Hi sir
2018-07-26T00:49:28 < laurence_> today I broke teh usb
2018-07-26T00:49:46 < cpctr> Snapper
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2018-07-26T00:49:58 < cpctr> Give her a crack
2018-07-26T00:50:17 < Laurenceb__> turns out it was detected by the gui so its all cool
2018-07-26T00:50:28 < Laurenceb__> for some reason it maxed out at ~6Mbps
2018-07-26T00:50:53 < cpctr> Oh
2018-07-26T00:51:12 < cpctr> Is the GUI for a gas chamber
2018-07-26T00:53:02 < Cracki> did you mean clothes delousing chambers?
2018-07-26T00:53:44 < zyp> englishman, lemme know how it works out
2018-07-26T00:53:53 < englishman> cool
2018-07-26T00:53:57 < zyp> how much did shipping add?
2018-07-26T00:53:57 < Laurenceb__> I blame the crappy Dell keyboard I was abusing as a hub
2018-07-26T00:54:04 < Laurenceb__> with a decent hub there was no issue
2018-07-26T00:54:07 < zyp> $165 for a mode-2 cable is nothing
2018-07-26T00:54:15 < englishman> they quoted $80 but i'm getting it shipped with a bunch of other shit from china
2018-07-26T00:54:15 < Cracki> 6M sounds like half a full speed link
2018-07-26T00:54:27 < Laurenceb__> Cracki: yeah it was slightly under ^
2018-07-26T00:54:30 < Laurenceb__> *6
2018-07-26T00:54:34 < Cracki> gorillion
2018-07-26T00:54:39 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-07-26T00:54:44 < englishman> you use a little rfid card to select charge current
2018-07-26T00:54:53 < zyp> haha
2018-07-26T00:54:54 < englishman> they also have 40A chargers for $230
2018-07-26T00:55:05 < Laurenceb__> the failure was weird too, about 5% of packets dropped
2018-07-26T00:55:12 < zyp> I don't have any need for higher than 16A at the moment
2018-07-26T00:55:13 < Laurenceb__> but device enumerated ok
2018-07-26T00:55:15 < Cracki> uh... revising numbers down is Verboten! it was definitely at least 6 Mbps!
2018-07-26T00:55:26 < Laurenceb__> heh
2018-07-26T00:55:33 < Cracki> packets drop? huh
2018-07-26T00:55:46 < Laurenceb__> good news is the gui detects it and faulty sensor indicator flashes
2018-07-26T00:55:48 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2018-07-26T00:56:03 < Cracki> must be some silly hub...
2018-07-26T00:56:25 < Laurenceb__> yeah thats what I suspect, with a decent hub I took it to ~8Mbps
2018-07-26T00:56:26 < Cracki> the dropped ones might have been dropped for other traffic
2018-07-26T00:56:33 < Laurenceb__> dont have enough devices to try for more
2018-07-26T00:57:24 < englishman> same, but since i have to run new copper, it's marginally more money to make it a 50A circuit
2018-07-26T00:57:45 < Cracki> 2 oz or thicker?
2018-07-26T00:58:06 < zyp> englishman, neither my car nor wife's car pulls more than 16A anyway
2018-07-26T00:58:43 < vampi-the-frog> gotta go, cya
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2018-07-26T01:06:45 < karlp> Adluc: what do you mean by "more realtime" ?
2018-07-26T01:10:32 < zyp> less faketime
2018-07-26T01:11:59 < cpctr> very good
2018-07-26T01:12:53 < karlp> 500A is nothing, we measure that still with normal CTs :)
2018-07-26T01:16:33 < cpctr> muh amps
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2018-07-26T01:27:48 < Laurenceb__> https://pics.onsizzle.com/autistic-screeching-autistic-screeching-19315998.png
2018-07-26T01:29:36 < karlp> lolrence makign jokes about other countries: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/24/contingencies-planned-to-ensure-uks-post-brexit-food-supply-says-raab
2018-07-26T01:31:37 < Laurenceb__> muh brexit
2018-07-26T01:31:49 < Laurenceb__> >le ebil brexit will kill economy
2018-07-26T01:31:56 < Laurenceb__> >economic growth
2018-07-26T01:36:29 < cpctr> Muh brexit
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2018-07-26T01:44:04 < bitmask> nice, misumi lmuw8 bearings are in the new extruder carriage
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2018-07-26T03:11:49 < Cracki> grml I'm not a fan of AVR but I can manage... they have this "debugwire" thing where shit is toggled over the reset line. once you fuse that feature, normal programming is disabled.
2018-07-26T03:12:08 < Cracki> to get out of this, you have to have a debugwire-capable thingy (programmer/debugger). I don't.
2018-07-26T03:12:24 < Cracki> luckily someone made a tarduino sketch for basic functionality.
2018-07-26T03:12:28 < Cracki> sadly timing was fucked.
2018-07-26T03:12:52 < Cracki> luckily the command is just a serial 0x06 at a certain baud rate toggled on the reset line.
2018-07-26T03:14:05 < jadew> isn't it 0x55?
2018-07-26T03:14:29 < Cracki> 0x55 is the standard reply, e.g. when you pull the reset low for 15 clocks
2018-07-26T03:14:45 < Cracki> (debugwire baud rate = f_target / 128)
2018-07-26T03:15:30 < Cracki> to get *out of* debugwire, and be dropped into ISP/SPI-enabled mode, send a 0x06 (8N1) and if that worked, it won't even reply
2018-07-26T03:15:46 < Cracki> when I didn't get the bit times right, it responded with a double-rate 0x55
2018-07-26T03:16:43 < jadew> what are you trying to do?
2018-07-26T03:16:45 < Cracki> anyway, I messed with the fuses, now I got this thing unbricked and can continue :P
2018-07-26T03:17:04 < jadew> high voltage programming may be easier
2018-07-26T03:17:05 < Cracki> pcb from the boss, supposed to write firmware for it, didn't bring a debugger with me, just a programmer and arduino
2018-07-26T03:17:27 < Cracki> HV *maybe*, it only takes a 12v pulse on some pin, but the controller is already on the board
2018-07-26T03:17:48 < Cracki> HV also requires 8 pins for data; it's a parallel connection
2018-07-26T03:18:27 < jadew> if I were you, I'd just replace the IC and move on
2018-07-26T03:21:03 < Cracki> https://imgur.com/nNybM29
2018-07-26T03:21:07 < Cracki> haha that'd have taken longer
2018-07-26T03:21:31 < Cracki> cba to peel it off, it's QFPsomething and I just have an iron
2018-07-26T03:22:09 < Cracki> now at least I have the artefact to get me out of this kinda trouble easily and repeatably
2018-07-26T03:23:39 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/jlN6cdY.gifv
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2018-07-26T03:26:08 < Cracki> good idea
2018-07-26T03:27:06 < Cracki> I should ask the janitor to put lawn sprinklers on the parking lot. so many melting people...
2018-07-26T03:30:52 < dongs> dongul8
2018-07-26T03:39:10 < englishman> dongs: https://theprovince.com/news/local-news/pedaphile-bus-driver-took-job-to-access-kids-crown/wcm/3a99d14a-f4ef-46dd-b021-0e142f759cb5
2018-07-26T03:40:07 < dongs> oh canada
2018-07-26T03:40:43 < dongs> unless thats like ontario, florida or whatever
2018-07-26T03:40:52 < dongs> or california
2018-07-26T03:41:00 < englishman> no its english canada
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2018-07-26T05:10:38 < jadew> lol englishman, the title of the article is very different from the URL
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2018-07-26T05:42:01 < Thorn> is that a rubber seal in there https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1hewOioUIL1JjSZFrq6z3xFXaS.jpg
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2018-07-26T05:53:49 < jpa-> Thorn: no but this is  https://kz.all.biz/img/kz/catalog/1282610.jpeg
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2018-07-26T06:46:19 < cpctr> Thanks
2018-07-26T06:55:41 < rajkosto> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/292727720876703744/471880088468717568/unknown.png
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2018-07-26T07:43:21 < dongs> Chipset Supplier Communication Chip.  The chips we received are not operating to factory specifications.  Through a lot of testing I've traced this back to settings in the chip, to which we at Tjeker do not have access, as this is set at the chipset factory prior to our receipt and are encrypted from our manipulation.  We are working with the manufacturer to get their settings right. Until then Wi-Fi 
2018-07-26T07:43:27 < dongs> strength is many multiples less than it should be, although through a lot of work with them over the last couple of months we have increased performance by 60% from original receipt. 
2018-07-26T07:43:31 < dongs> Lol
2018-07-26T07:43:37 < dongs> .  Additionally I have personally disassembled everyone of your devices to make a hardware boost giving another 5% increase in performance. This will be 100% correct through a future OTA. We're not using any kind of no-name chip here. There are two major worldwide suppliers of these chips, both multi-billion dollar companies, and we're using one of them in our design which best matches with our CM.
2018-07-26T07:48:05 < jadew> 60% increase, aka 2 dB
2018-07-26T07:48:16 < jadew> they probably put their finger on a trace
2018-07-26T07:48:33 < jadew> where's this from?
2018-07-26T07:49:56 < jadew> dongs, are you writing this yourself?
2018-07-26T07:50:01 < jadew> google can't find the snippets
2018-07-26T07:51:19 < dongs> no its from dickstarter top secret email
2018-07-26T07:51:26 < jadew> ah
2018-07-26T07:51:35 < dongs> about that trainwreck of a project, "superscreen"
2018-07-26T07:53:49 < jadew> you backed it?
2018-07-26T07:53:55 < dongs> hellz no
2018-07-26T07:53:57 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/EqrDEze.gifv
2018-07-26T07:54:15 < dongs> whats this
2018-07-26T07:54:21 < jadew> looks hot
2018-07-26T07:55:08 < upgrdman> dongs, dunno. just wait failed launch
2018-07-26T07:55:10 < upgrdman> err
2018-07-26T07:55:13 < upgrdman> s/wait/said
2018-07-26T07:55:23 < jadew> that stuff never happens when I'm watching live
2018-07-26T07:55:46 < jadew> I can only assume I bring good luck
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2018-07-26T07:57:06 < englishman> are they still writing excuses
2018-07-26T07:57:08 < englishman> wow
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2018-07-26T07:57:50 < englishman> upgrdman did you record that
2018-07-26T07:58:05 < englishman> from your backyard
2018-07-26T07:58:07 < upgrdman> lol no
2018-07-26T07:58:37 < jadew> everyone there got a tan
2018-07-26T07:58:50 < upgrdman> englishman, it was from  https://www.reddit.com/r/noisygifs/comments/91t94n/launch_failure/
2018-07-26T07:59:52 < dongs> R2COM:  < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/EqrDEze.gifv
2018-07-26T07:59:56 < dongs> your favorite company failing
2018-07-26T08:00:08 < upgrdman> spacesex?
2018-07-26T08:04:05 < jadew> https://g.redditmedia.com/BgCBh9icm7-9hywGq0TPlfk8aBR1NdwE6BLYcSlUup8.gif?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=640&fm=mp4&mp4-fragmented=false&s=36986a55596dd2eb210608870f4f0fee
2018-07-26T08:18:56 < cpctr> Welcome R2
2018-07-26T08:21:54 < jpa-> isn't that the russian Proton-M fail from 2013? http://www.russianspaceweb.com/proton_glonass49.html
2018-07-26T08:22:07 < jpa-> atleast spacex's launch yesterday went fine
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2018-07-26T09:39:59 < cpctr> China blew up the US embassy
2018-07-26T09:41:22 < Steffanx> WWIII?
2018-07-26T09:45:15 < Steffanx> Lol jpa- when did you become like this? "Rubber seal" :D
2018-07-26T09:45:27 < jadew> cpctr, what?
2018-07-26T09:45:28 < jadew> link?
2018-07-26T09:45:49 < Steffanx> https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/26/asia/beijing-us-embassy-china-intl/index.html
2018-07-26T09:46:51 < jadew> "the only person injured was the individual who detonated the explosive device."
2018-07-26T09:46:52 < jadew> lol
2018-07-26T09:47:50 < cpctr> Hi sir
2018-07-26T09:48:09 < cpctr> Apple factory worker for sure
2018-07-26T09:48:21 < Steffanx> Ty welcome
2018-07-26T09:49:44 < Haohmaru> crApple
2018-07-26T10:10:45 < cpctr> indeed
2018-07-26T10:10:49 < cpctr> iFags
2018-07-26T10:13:10 < Steffanx> iCpctr
2018-07-26T10:13:39 < Haohmaru> SchtephanEggz
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2018-07-26T10:20:11 < cpctr> pieces
2018-07-26T10:20:37 < cpctr> caught in the digital fog
2018-07-26T10:21:54 < Haohmaru> the poetic cpctr
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2018-07-26T10:46:55 < dongs> < cpctr> China blew up the US embassy
2018-07-26T10:46:59 < dongs> lol i thought you were joking
2018-07-26T10:47:14 < cpctr> lol
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2018-07-26T10:48:55 < cpctr> A MAN has been charged after using an “unknown object” to have sex with two girlfriends — who didn’t know he was missing his manhood.
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2018-07-26T10:51:51 < dongs> unknown object = lunix powered dildo?
2018-07-26T10:54:04 < cpctr> yeh probably
2018-07-26T10:54:43 < cpctr> might be a python script
2018-07-26T10:57:46 < dongs> gross
2018-07-26T10:58:18 < cpctr> when i'm bored or procrastinating I read the news
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2018-07-26T11:03:22 < Laurenceb__>  The 'pentagon' is actually a hexagon
2018-07-26T11:03:30 < Laurenceb__>  QAnon predicted this
2018-07-26T11:04:14 < dongs> Laurenceb__: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2018-07-26T11:08:45 < dongs> attn upgrdman https://imgur.com/a/9smlKo0
2018-07-26T11:17:12 < cpctr> dongs did i see you posting about the next trainwreck kickstarter 
2018-07-26T11:17:19 < dongs> which one, 
2018-07-26T11:17:32 < cpctr> what's the best one for amuse
2018-07-26T11:17:37 < dongs> no its been the same one thats been wrecking
2018-07-26T11:20:09 < cpctr> superscreen
2018-07-26T11:20:13 < dongs> aye
2018-07-26T11:20:17 < dongs> now rebranding as 'DSPLY"
2018-07-26T11:20:22 < dongs> (not joking)
2018-07-26T11:21:51 < dongs> Our device name has evolved from SuperScreen to DSPLY (as in Display without the vowels). You will see this name referenced in all correspondence on device use from here forward.
2018-07-26T11:22:08 < cpctr> so does that mean the backers go down the drain 
2018-07-26T11:22:29 < dongs> no it means they're gonna get a shitty $50 china assdroid tablet and some non-working software to go with it
2018-07-26T11:22:44 < cpctr> even better
2018-07-26T11:23:07 < cpctr> i expect this isn't remotely close to what the campaign promised
2018-07-26T11:24:02 < dongs> yeah cuz thats not even possible to do
2018-07-26T11:24:22 < cpctr> perfect
2018-07-26T11:24:42 < cpctr> the perfect recipe for a kickstarter
2018-07-26T11:25:10 < cpctr> and those cunts won't do anything about it cause they get the sheks
2018-07-26T11:28:51 < Steffanx> iCpctr. Stop using your iphone please.
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2018-07-26T13:01:48  * jadew is taking a 2-day break
2018-07-26T13:01:53 < jadew> gonna learn fusion
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2018-07-26T13:04:53 < jadew> but first... sleep! ttyl
2018-07-26T13:06:47 < cpctr> fusion..
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2018-07-26T14:05:43 < Thorn> received muh PLA and muh PETG
2018-07-26T14:06:19 < Thorn> guess I should finally choose a 3d printer design to build lol
2018-07-26T14:40:05 < srk> :)
2018-07-26T14:40:11 < srk> railcore 2 is nice
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2018-07-26T14:47:19 < dongs> more like failcore
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2018-07-26T14:54:42 < srk> :(
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2018-07-26T15:10:24 < Thorn> actually I ordered alu extrusion-compatible 24mm wheels today so it's going to be something like a d-bot/j-bot
2018-07-26T15:10:55 < Thorn> over $17 for 20 wheels :/
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2018-07-26T15:20:59 < zyp> that doesn't sound so unreasonable
2018-07-26T15:21:25 < dongs> thorn will save $0.50 on shipping to wait 3 months isntead of 3 weeks
2018-07-26T15:21:35 < dongs> $17 for 20 is outrageous
2018-07-26T15:21:41 < zyp> haha
2018-07-26T15:22:35 < Haohmaru> $3 is like 12 nice big waffles
2018-07-26T15:27:39 < srk> Thorn: ppl now seem to compare print quaility of original hiwins vs clones so I'm not sure about these anymore :D
2018-07-26T15:27:45 < srk> wheels..
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2018-07-26T15:34:59 < englishman> good morning stm32 north america crew
2018-07-26T15:35:59 < zyp> sup?
2018-07-26T15:36:36 < englishman> doing all my billing today
2018-07-26T15:37:03 < englishman> then ordering tonight
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2018-07-26T15:58:34 < con3> Is there anyway that I can see the data in the DMA's fifo?
2018-07-26T15:59:14 < Haohmaru> debugger maybe?
2018-07-26T16:02:26 < con3> hmm..I'm not sure if I can? I know I can flush the fifo and see the amount of data remaining. So maybe I can work something out with that. Will report back :)
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2018-07-26T16:11:37 < con3> Nipe, uSD DMA fails completely
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2018-07-26T17:02:40 < Steffanx> Lol the qualcomm - nxp deal failed because the chinese didnt give their "go"
2018-07-26T17:02:50 < Steffanx> China ftw
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2018-07-26T17:15:11 < aandrew> http://mixdown.ca/dump/wd40.jpg
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2018-07-26T18:37:30 < tctw> somebody around that knows how to use variations in AD18?
2018-07-26T18:37:35 < tctw> dongs, englishman ?
2018-07-26T18:37:44 < englishman> hello pal
2018-07-26T18:37:54 < tctw> hi there
2018-07-26T18:38:53 < tctw> I'm trying to use vatiations in AD18 to have a 'prototype' and a 'production' variation. I want to set some components as DNP/not-fitted in the production version. however, I fail to figure out how to do that. I managed to create a variation, but I don't see how to change the fitted/not-fitted property which the documentation suggest is an existing property
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2018-07-26T18:40:12 < englishman> something like, part type -> standard (no bom)
2018-07-26T18:40:23 < tctw> but where?
2018-07-26T18:40:30 < englishman> i also put DNP in the comment to make it blindingly obvious
2018-07-26T18:40:33 < englishman> in the part type
2018-07-26T18:40:41 < tctw> where do I modify that part type?
2018-07-26T18:40:48 < englishman> part properties
2018-07-26T18:41:03 < tctw> so outside of the variation manager?
2018-07-26T18:41:34 < englishman> so i dont think i did this in 18 yet
2018-07-26T18:41:52 < englishman> but in 17 i had two versions of one board where some components were different
2018-07-26T18:41:58 < englishman> and i did it that way and had variations
2018-07-26T18:42:12 < englishman> and in 17 it was not in the varation menu
2018-07-26T18:42:19 < englishman> but i think i could see the differences between teh two
2018-07-26T18:42:22 < englishman> i forget tbh
2018-07-26T18:43:00 < tctw> englishman, when I change the type property of the comment and then change the active variation I don't see the type value changing. Do I need to "register" that somehow?
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2018-07-26T18:48:11 < englishman> oh
2018-07-26T18:48:17 < englishman> no its different lol
2018-07-26T18:48:22 < englishman> you do everything in the variants menu
2018-07-26T18:49:35 < englishman> so have one base project with all parts
2018-07-26T18:49:38 < englishman> and create 2 variants
2018-07-26T18:50:01 < englishman> for all parts that vary, in their variant columns, right click and select fitted or not fitted
2018-07-26T18:50:14 < englishman> then will appear or disappear from your bom export
2018-07-26T18:50:30 < englishman> and dicknplace export
2018-07-26T18:50:55 < tctw> makes sense, but I don't see a fitted/not-fitted property in the variant manager
2018-07-26T18:50:56 < englishman> and 3d models in pcb view
2018-07-26T18:51:16 < englishman> right click on the line for the part, in the variant column
2018-07-26T18:51:29 < englishman> set selected as -> fitted
2018-07-26T18:51:54 < englishman> here i am
2018-07-26T18:51:59 < englishman> teaching a ceo how to computer
2018-07-26T18:52:03 < englishman> am i doomed to this
2018-07-26T18:52:59 < tctw> englishman, I really don't see a fitted row/cloumn/attribute anywhere https://www.screencast.com/t/drqBVOc3
2018-07-26T18:53:14 < englishman> right
2018-07-26T18:53:20 < englishman> i said the variant column
2018-07-26T18:53:27 < englishman> for you, production/prototype
2018-07-26T18:53:38 < englishman> then right click there
2018-07-26T18:53:39 < englishman> try it
2018-07-26T18:53:42 < englishman> its on the mouse
2018-07-26T18:54:24 < tctw> wtf
2018-07-26T18:54:25 < tctw> https://www.screencast.com/t/FakIfCL57q
2018-07-26T18:55:26 < tctw> what am I missing?
2018-07-26T18:57:26 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/Wl7EFvB.png?1
2018-07-26T18:58:05 < tctw> well fuck me
2018-07-26T18:58:27 < tctw> thank you man
2018-07-26T18:58:33 < englishman> np
2018-07-26T18:58:44 < englishman> remember this come salary renogiations
2018-07-26T18:58:57 < tctw> :*
2018-07-26T18:59:01 < tctw> this is not really salary related
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2018-07-26T19:00:38 < bitmask> alright, all bearings replaced, time for a break
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2018-07-26T19:03:05 < tctw> englishman, somehow the red cross does not show up in the schematic when I select the variation (set as current) in which the part is marked as not-fitted. any ideas? the variation manager drawing style thing has been configured to render the red cross
2018-07-26T19:03:26 < englishman> red cross?
2018-07-26T19:04:09 < tctw> https://www.altium.com/documentation/sites/default/files/wiki_attachments/248151/NotFittedAndVariedParam_U.png
2018-07-26T19:04:59 < englishman> guessing: bug
2018-07-26T19:05:00 < englishman> lol
2018-07-26T19:05:09 < tctw> lol
2018-07-26T19:05:18 < tctw> thanks for the help, englishman, much appreciated
2018-07-26T19:05:29 < englishman> or some mask setting
2018-07-26T19:13:28 < englishman> looks like the strikeout options doesnt work in pcb view either
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2018-07-26T19:21:51 < englishman> tctw: click on the tabs at the bottom
2018-07-26T19:21:57 < englishman> editor tab won't show the masks
2018-07-26T19:22:06 < englishman> Sheet 1 will show the crosses as normal
2018-07-26T19:22:14 < englishman> thats also how you will print schematics
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2018-07-26T20:42:50 < zyp> hey, german people, which physical electronics stores do you go to?
2018-07-26T20:43:05 < zyp> I figure I should drop by one and maybe pick up some shit if it's cheaper than in norway
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2018-07-26T20:48:30 < Steffanx> i expected the media markt to be larger in zhe germany
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2018-07-26T20:49:24 < vampi-the-frog> is it a struggle to find one?
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2018-07-26T20:49:48 < zyp> dunno, haven't been looking yet
2018-07-26T20:51:14 < vampi-the-frog> zyp: I think I found the problem, I was initializing endpoint 0x02 instead of 0x01
2018-07-26T20:51:23 < vampi-the-frog> but oddly I was still getting the rx callback
2018-07-26T20:51:30 < vampi-the-frog> but it looks like it's working now
2018-07-26T20:51:35 < zyp> oh, haha
2018-07-26T20:51:37 < vampi-the-frog> just figuring out how to receive and send control data
2018-07-26T20:51:52 < zyp> well, I think setup filters doesn't care about endpoint
2018-07-26T20:51:54 < vampi-the-frog> so the bug might actually be why I was receiving the tx callback
2018-07-26T20:52:20 < zyp> or idk
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2018-07-26T21:14:49 < Steffanx> How can i help superbia ?
2018-07-26T21:26:43 < Steffanx> Nah both will get me in jail, i'd like to avoid that.
2018-07-26T21:27:06 < Steffanx> Cyanide is known to be effective superbia
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2018-07-26T21:29:00 < Steffanx> What's wrong superbia?
2018-07-26T21:29:46 < Steffanx> Being unfriendly is easy. Try to be friendly for a time :P
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2018-07-26T21:32:40 < Steffanx> pm as in personal matter, superbia?
2018-07-26T21:33:46 < Steffanx> aha
2018-07-26T21:34:02 < Steffanx> Then i wish nothing but the best.
2018-07-26T21:35:56 < Steffanx> its probably just a heat stroke. like kinda everything in europe atm
2018-07-26T21:36:07 < Steffanx> *everyone has
2018-07-26T21:36:12 < Steffanx> not everything, lol.
2018-07-26T21:36:56 < Cracki> *headscratch*
2018-07-26T21:37:47 < Cracki> "try to implement bugs"
2018-07-26T21:38:03 < Steffanx> You germans drink so much beer atm that one of the manufacturers asked to return the bottles ASAP, Cracki :P
2018-07-26T21:38:20 < Cracki> yes that happens occasionally
2018-07-26T21:38:22 < Steffanx> and it's not even oktober fest.
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2018-07-26T21:39:22 < Cracki> fests are easy, you have lanky youths run around collecting empty glasses
2018-07-26T21:41:05 < Steffanx> hm
2018-07-26T21:45:30 < Cracki> what's that called when you pay for the bottle but you can get the money back when you bring it back?
2018-07-26T21:45:33 < Cracki> we call it Pfand
2018-07-26T21:45:53 < Cracki> bottles... collect themselves; poor germans scour the streets looking to make a little money from that
2018-07-26T21:45:56 < Steffanx> idk, we call it statiegeld
2018-07-26T21:46:22 < Cracki> poor nongermans sit around begging. I hear begging can earn you 100 bucks a day
2018-07-26T21:46:22 < Steffanx> both translates to deposit, but .. sounds wrong
2018-07-26T21:46:28 < Cracki> that's what I thought too
2018-07-26T21:47:00 < Steffanx> http://bottledepot.ca/?page_id=97 seems to be it.
2018-07-26T21:47:23 < Cracki> Schmetterling is a beautiful german word. it sounds like something you'd shout during a trench war
2018-07-26T21:47:24 < Steffanx> Grüß*
2018-07-26T21:48:46 < Steffanx> its not something i would shout during trench war Cracki
2018-07-26T21:49:01 < Steffanx> No "dead keys" either superbia? 
2018-07-26T21:49:05 < Cracki> schmettern ~ smash
2018-07-26T21:49:05 < Steffanx> to write ü
2018-07-26T21:49:44 < Cracki> I could imagine a type of mortar shell nicknamed Schmetterling
2018-07-26T21:49:50 < Steffanx> or ú or ù.
2018-07-26T21:50:08 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/ejsLwhN.png
2018-07-26T21:50:12 < bitmask> now that is a thing of beauty
2018-07-26T21:50:30 < Steffanx> is that a camera?
2018-07-26T21:50:32 < Cracki> what does that say, "BL touch"?
2018-07-26T21:50:38 < Cracki> sounds naughty
2018-07-26T21:50:45 < bitmask> yea
2018-07-26T21:51:04 < Steffanx> just curious. you go for an aero to make it heavier with a camera?
2018-07-26T21:51:12 < bitmask> camera?
2018-07-26T21:51:13 < Cracki> camera? no, a bearing/fitting
2018-07-26T21:51:15 < bitmask> I was saying yes to the bl touch
2018-07-26T21:51:22 < Steffanx> oh, you said yeah :P
2018-07-26T21:51:28 < Steffanx> to Cracki
2018-07-26T21:51:30 < bitmask> not sure what you are looking at
2018-07-26T21:51:35 < Steffanx> it looks like a camera to me
2018-07-26T21:51:46 < Cracki> the "lens reflection" is bearing balls
2018-07-26T21:51:51 < Steffanx> yeah, i see it now. D:
2018-07-26T21:51:54 < bitmask> ahh
2018-07-26T21:52:01 < Steffanx> lol
2018-07-26T21:52:08 < bitmask> noob :)
2018-07-26T21:52:14 < Steffanx> weird place for a camera anyway, but you never know with bitmask.
2018-07-26T21:52:15 < Steffanx> :P
2018-07-26T21:52:26 < bitmask> haha yea, try to make me look like the nutty one
2018-07-26T21:52:32 < Cracki> camera + that text on the thingy... could make sense
2018-07-26T21:52:57 < Steffanx> ofcourse bitmask
2018-07-26T21:53:08 < Cracki> oh uh the spam attacks against freenude seem to have stopped
2018-07-26T21:53:20 < Steffanx> better skip that text on the left next time btw. imho text never really turns out well
2018-07-26T21:53:45 < bitmask> I didnt put it there, I did take off these hideous symbols the designer put but figured id leave the text
2018-07-26T21:53:48 < Steffanx> assuming it IS supposed to be a text i cant read.
2018-07-26T21:53:55 < Cracki> ah that was supposed to be embossed text on the slanted face of the bearing?
2018-07-26T21:53:57 < bitmask> says e3d titan aero
2018-07-26T21:54:35 < Steffanx> Do you sleep on the floor bitmask?
2018-07-26T21:54:38 < Cracki> my text comes out well when it's lying flat or vertical only
2018-07-26T21:55:32 < Steffanx> interesting layout superbia, it dont see why you wouldnt be able to write "u with that to make it ü.
2018-07-26T21:55:38 < bitmask> this mess only occurred today during my printer deconstruction 
2018-07-26T21:55:40 < Steffanx> dead keys <3
2018-07-26T21:56:19 < bitmask> all bearings replaced, well for X and Y at least, gotta mount the new psu, new Y rods and heatbed
2018-07-26T21:56:22 < Cracki> deconstructivism
2018-07-26T21:56:54 < Steffanx> is this new psu much quieter bitmask?
2018-07-26T21:57:01 < bitmask> its been fun but I gotta take a break and work on school, too much left to do 
2018-07-26T21:57:06 < bitmask> the old psu didnt even have a fan
2018-07-26T21:57:20 < bitmask> this one is 30A instead of 20A and its a mean well 
2018-07-26T21:57:43 < bitmask> so this one must be louder, but safer
2018-07-26T21:57:56 < Steffanx> oh, meh.
2018-07-26T21:58:08 < Steffanx> the noise of my current psu is fucking annoying.
2018-07-26T21:58:19 < Steffanx> too loud imho
2018-07-26T21:58:27 < bitmask> hopefully its not too bad, guess I'll find out later or tomorrow
2018-07-26T21:58:50 < bitmask> I'm mounting it underneath the lack table so that should help
2018-07-26T21:59:31 < Steffanx> im not into the ieee
2018-07-26T22:00:12 < bitmask> I'm glad I didnt waste money on those lock ring pliers
2018-07-26T22:01:08 < Steffanx> better show us you talk about nim, superbia
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2018-07-26T22:21:59 < Steffanx> Did we make you happier yet, superbia1?
2018-07-26T22:23:14 < Steffanx> :(
2018-07-26T22:24:13 < zyp> aww
2018-07-26T22:25:55 < Rajko> https://i.imgur.com/sNHkO2X.png
2018-07-26T22:27:51 < Rickta59> has anyone hacked one of those Amazon dash buttons? (supposedly have a stm32f205 and a broadcom radio)
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2018-07-26T22:33:00 < Steffanx> lol, i actually liked that one Rajko
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2018-07-26T22:34:00 < Steffanx> it was mentioned here like yesterday, but not sure in what context Rickta59
2018-07-26T22:36:39 < zyp> fuck lua? :p
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2018-07-26T22:39:43 < englishman> how do germanz pay for amazon in their cash society
2018-07-26T22:40:52 < cpctr> Deutschmarks
2018-07-26T22:44:27 < zyp> englishman, hah
2018-07-26T22:44:42 < zyp> I'm actually surprised there's so many places in germany that doesn't take card
2018-07-26T22:44:43 < zyp> s
2018-07-26T22:46:28 < englishman> yeah
2018-07-26T22:46:29 < englishman> i was too
2018-07-26T22:46:45 < englishman> usa is another highly backward country
2018-07-26T22:47:16 < zyp> japan hates foreign cards
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2018-07-26T22:50:45 < friendofafriend> I mentioned using an Amazon Dash button as a grandma tracker, if you'll recall.
2018-07-26T22:51:12 < Cracki> germans take card if your purchase is likely to be bills rather than coins
2018-07-26T22:51:34 < friendofafriend> I've got one, haven't hacked on it yet.  You'll get no wifi from it without the Broadcom SDK, so it seems.
2018-07-26T22:51:40 < Cracki> so... grocery stores, clothing shops, ...
2018-07-26T22:52:47 < Cracki> at the grocery store, I *have to* pay with plastic because the cashier is too dumb to give change
2018-07-26T22:53:10 < Cracki> or too scatterbrained, whatever her issue is
2018-07-26T22:53:46 < zyp> yeah, I found one place today that were like «we don't take card for amounts under €10»
2018-07-26T22:54:23 < Cracki> grocery store doesn't care if I pay for treefiddy with plastic
2018-07-26T22:54:26 < cpctr> Does japan accept gold pieces
2018-07-26T22:55:05 < zyp> Cracki, in norway, everybody takes cards, lots of people (me included) doesn't even carry cash
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2018-07-26T22:55:48 < cpctr> I don’t carry cash
2018-07-26T22:55:55 < Cracki> I carry cash but only for when I need it. card wherever possible, except when I don't want it to go through my bank account...
2018-07-26T22:56:03 < cpctr> And I’m a crocodile
2018-07-26T22:56:23 < Cracki> the proper way to carry cash is in large duffel bags
2018-07-26T22:56:39 < cpctr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/i6hMGqBc/mate.JPG
2018-07-26T22:57:14 < Cracki> toothy grin
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2018-07-26T22:57:28 < vampi-the-frog> I keep all my cash in gold
2018-07-26T22:58:09 < cpctr> And elixirs
2018-07-26T22:59:10 < Thorn> is nxp rekt?
2018-07-26T23:11:18 < Steffanx> Why wouldnt you take cards?
2018-07-26T23:11:36 < Steffanx> Thorn, from what i read nxp get 2billion dollar because they deal is over.
2018-07-26T23:11:38 < Steffanx> *gets
2018-07-26T23:11:43 < Steffanx> so probably not rekt.
2018-07-26T23:14:03 < Thorn> good
2018-07-26T23:14:03 < Thorn> good
2018-07-26T23:14:14 < Thorn> I like nxp
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2018-07-26T23:38:10 < englishman> what are coins
2018-07-26T23:38:14 < englishman> what is change
2018-07-26T23:38:19 < englishman> what millennium is this
2018-07-26T23:38:35 < vampi-the-frog> well reach out with your hand and I will put my coin purse in it
2018-07-26T23:38:42 < vampi-the-frog> and you will know.
2018-07-26T23:39:14 < cpctr> ik ben doof
2018-07-26T23:40:11 < vampi-the-frog> Ich bin ein berliner
2018-07-26T23:40:51 < cpctr> Gooday sport
2018-07-26T23:42:06 < antto> wtf, why am i in teh pr0n channel.. oh wait.. it's just ##stm32
2018-07-26T23:48:48 < Steffanx> I dont see porn antto 
2018-07-26T23:48:59 < Steffanx> Sure youre not in ##hamradio?
2018-07-26T23:49:17 < antto> no idea wut that is
2018-07-26T23:50:00 < Steffanx> Freenodegate it seems
2018-07-26T23:50:25 < cpctr> whut is that
2018-07-26T23:50:33 < Steffanx> Google.it
2018-07-26T23:51:26 < Cracki> ya the spammers even registered the domains
2018-07-26T23:51:31 < Cracki> whois them, a week old
2018-07-26T23:52:03 < Cracki> fabricating outrage, pitting "oppressed groups" against each other
2018-07-26T23:52:44 < englishman> yeah pedos are so oppressed
2018-07-26T23:52:51 < cpctr> sounds like a normal day on the uhhh innernets
2018-07-26T23:53:05 < Cracki> there's a movement to add a P to LGBTQ
2018-07-26T23:53:05 < cpctr> greetings englishman 
2018-07-26T23:53:12 < cpctr> do you like thermocouples?
2018-07-26T23:53:26 < antto> is that a trick question?
2018-07-26T23:53:27 < cpctr> so whats the P
2018-07-26T23:53:43 < Cracki> you can guess :P
2018-07-26T23:53:44 < vampi-the-frog> Pakistani
2018-07-26T23:53:48 < antto> hahaah
2018-07-26T23:53:57 < antto> Putin?
2018-07-26T23:54:17 < Cracki> pakis aren't oppressed, people use euphemisms such as "grooming" to describe what they do
2018-07-26T23:54:29 < cpctr> when is the war starting
2018-07-26T23:54:34 < vampi-the-frog> rapist sand niggers
2018-07-26T23:54:35 < Cracki> it never ended.
2018-07-26T23:55:16 < englishman> hi cap
2018-07-26T23:56:01 < cpctr> greeting
2018-07-26T23:56:31 < antto> what value is the cpctr and what voltage rating?
2018-07-26T23:57:11 < cpctr> as big as it is
2018-07-26T23:57:15 < Cracki> >The Cooperative Prostate Cancer Tissue Resource (CPCTR) is a National Cancer Institute-supported tissue bank that provides large numbers of ...
2018-07-26T23:57:29 < cpctr> capacitors
2018-07-26T23:57:56 < Cracki> *crosses the legs*
2018-07-26T23:58:11 < cpctr> do you want to buy some capacitors?
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2018-07-26T23:58:30 < antto> i want C0G
2018-07-26T23:58:34 < cpctr> me too
2018-07-26T23:58:44 < cpctr> 50v 10uF in c0g
2018-07-26T23:58:49 < Cracki> you might have wares, but I don't have coin (plastic, remember?)
2018-07-26T23:58:54 < cpctr> got any of those?
2018-07-26T23:58:57 < antto> cuz it kinda looks like misspelled GUCCI
2018-07-26T23:59:23 < antto> C00GI capacitors
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2018-07-27T00:00:03 < cpctr> you're making less sense than me
2018-07-27T00:00:11 < cpctr> quite an achievement 
2018-07-27T00:01:05 < Steffanx> ^ agreed
2018-07-27T00:01:11 < antto> i'm not even trying
2018-07-27T00:01:21 < antto> didn't know that's a "goal"
2018-07-27T00:01:44 < Cracki> bragging now!
2018-07-27T00:02:38 < antto> but thanks for teh virtual points cpctr.. ++achievements; \o/
2018-07-27T00:03:06 < antto> !wz varna
2018-07-27T00:03:08 < englishbot> [Varna, Bulgaria] Clear. Temp is 20.9°C. Humidity: 97%.
2018-07-27T00:03:17 < antto> aaaah
2018-07-27T00:04:04 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-07-27T00:04:05 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 29.3°C. Humidity: 53%.
2018-07-27T00:04:09 < Steffanx> Damn.
2018-07-27T00:04:12 < Cracki> !wz aachen
2018-07-27T00:04:13 < englishbot> [Aachen, Germany] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 25°C. NW wind: 6 kph. Humidity: 65%.
2018-07-27T00:04:17 < Cracki> feels like 30
2018-07-27T00:04:23 < Cracki> and 98%
2018-07-27T00:04:31 < Steffanx> Its f-ing 23.00 and still 29
2018-07-27T00:04:33 < Steffanx> C
2018-07-27T00:05:00 < antto> there was a 30-minute rain here that chilled teh situation
2018-07-27T00:05:03 < Steffanx> How am i supposed to sleep?
2018-07-27T00:05:19 < antto> Steffanx enter fridge
2018-07-27T00:05:22 < Cracki> the wind is a lie
2018-07-27T00:05:29 < cpctr> chinaman's nightcap steffan
2018-07-27T00:05:32 < Cracki> wet towel for a blanket
2018-07-27T00:05:43 < Steffanx> The what cpctr ?
2018-07-27T00:05:46 < antto> pee on the blanket?
2018-07-27T00:05:52 < cpctr> smoke a little opium cigar to cool the nerves
2018-07-27T00:05:56 < Cracki> your fetishes are showing
2018-07-27T00:06:16 < antto> that's just energy saving
2018-07-27T00:06:24 < Cracki> gah! 33C tomorrow who ordered this?!
2018-07-27T00:06:31 < antto> Satan
2018-07-27T00:06:33 < cpctr> straya
2018-07-27T00:07:01 < Cracki> and germans, brainwashed as we are, rarely install HVAC in public buildings
2018-07-27T00:07:03 < Steffanx> Straya is cold atm
2018-07-27T00:07:10 < Steffanx> !wz melbourne
2018-07-27T00:07:12 < englishbot> [Melbourne, Australia] Clear. Temp is 10.3°C. WSW wind: 4.0 kph. Humidity: 78%.
2018-07-27T00:07:19 < Cracki> straya is in deep "winter", isn't it
2018-07-27T00:08:14 < Steffanx> cpctr can tell you all about ir
2018-07-27T00:08:16 < Steffanx> T
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2018-07-27T00:09:21 < Cracki> tomorrow I think I'll bother the high schoolers visiting our uni... they're hosted in a room with HVAC!!
2018-07-27T00:10:45 < cpctr> Steffanx: international rectifier?
2018-07-27T00:12:22 < cpctr> melbourne has four seasons in 1 day
2018-07-27T00:12:25 < cpctr> so it is hard to tell
2018-07-27T00:20:56 < karlp> cpctr: you mean this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeYEyCDRHmE
2018-07-27T00:21:30 < cpctr> should i click it
2018-07-27T00:27:47 < Steffanx> Yeah turn on your sound
2018-07-27T00:27:52 < Steffanx> Its about you
2018-07-27T00:28:09 < cpctr> not another pump it up song?
2018-07-27T00:28:16 < Steffanx> Neinsir
2018-07-27T00:28:37 < cpctr> bah
2018-07-27T00:28:47 < cpctr> ik ben doof
2018-07-27T00:30:15 < cpctr> klompen
2018-07-27T00:45:21 < zyp> Cracki, I'm surprised neither the hotel I stayed in yesterday nor the hotel I'm staying in now seems to have ventilation systems in the rooms
2018-07-27T00:45:40 < zyp> how is that supposed to work?
2018-07-27T00:45:59 < zyp> we have windows that can be opened, does everybody just do that all the time to get fresh air?
2018-07-27T00:48:22 < antto> ls *fresh*air*ref*man*.pdf
2018-07-27T00:50:45 < Cracki> good hotels, and hotels that cater to international/business clientele, have hvac
2018-07-27T00:51:10 < antto> open teh windows and say hai to el mosquitto
2018-07-27T00:51:11 < Cracki> but anything that hasn't been renovated in the last few decades will probably not have that
2018-07-27T00:51:23 < Cracki> yes, ask them how to deal with that problem
2018-07-27T00:52:10 < Cracki> our goddamned public transport doesn't even turn on ventilation, it's like a sauna, but with foreigners' body odors
2018-07-27T00:52:26 < antto> we got fine-mesh on teh windows here
2018-07-27T00:52:40 < Cracki> i got mesh for the places I lived in too
2018-07-27T00:53:14 < zyp> I'm not staying at very fancy places, so that might be the problem
2018-07-27T00:53:17 < Cracki> germans *might* consider buying a fan or two, but hvac is completely foreign to them
2018-07-27T00:53:43 < antto> how do they heat their haus in teh winter?
2018-07-27T00:54:05 < Cracki> needn't be fancy. when I'm on business trips, boss or the customer puts me up in some place where you have a little room with bed and bathroom and tv and hvac, and you get breakfast, but that's it
2018-07-27T00:54:11 < Cracki> heating? water popes
2018-07-27T00:54:12 < Cracki> pipes
2018-07-27T00:54:14 < zyp> when I searched for hotels, I checked the boxes for «free parking» and «EV charging available», and the places where that returned no hits, I cleared the latter checkbox
2018-07-27T00:54:41 < Cracki> free parking is common, ev charging might be free if you just need a normal outlet and ask nicely
2018-07-27T00:55:07 < Cracki> if you need a 3phase, you might have to look for ev charging spots around the hotel
2018-07-27T00:55:08 < zyp> didn't try that last night, current hotel has proper charger
2018-07-27T00:55:31 < zyp> car can't make use of 3phase anyway
2018-07-27T00:55:55 < antto> ask nicely.. "can i haz charger, pleeeeeez?"
2018-07-27T00:55:57 < zyp> asking seems annoying, germans sucks at english (and my german sucks even more)
2018-07-27T00:56:11 < Cracki> when I say hvac, translate it into "thingy that makes air cold"
2018-07-27T00:56:21 < Cracki> hotel staff should be good enough with english
2018-07-27T00:56:27 < zyp> and I don't like explaining shit to people that don't understand me
2018-07-27T00:56:29 < zyp> hah
2018-07-27T00:56:41 < Cracki> hold the dictionary in front of you and say "Ich möchte diesen Teppich nicht kaufen"
2018-07-27T00:56:54 < zyp> last night I got a «your room is on the two floor»
2018-07-27T00:56:58 < Cracki> heating is standard, ventilation = window
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2018-07-27T00:57:13 < zyp> yeah, that's the impression I get
2018-07-27T00:57:15 < Cracki> oh yes, floor numbers...
2018-07-27T00:57:25 < Cracki> the place i stay in for that one customer, their ground floor is 1
2018-07-27T00:57:42 < Cracki> because that's where they have rooms already
2018-07-27T00:57:50 < zyp> I see all the elevators goes E, 1, 2, etc… I don't mind that
2018-07-27T00:58:08 < Cracki> ah you mean "second" vs "two"?
2018-07-27T00:58:12 < zyp> yeah
2018-07-27T00:58:31 < Cracki> none of these people need to have finished high school with a diploma
2018-07-27T00:58:51 < zyp> I mean, I'm not complaining over a simple mistake like that, but the general level, and that's the example I remember :p
2018-07-27T00:58:52 < Cracki> vocational school requires 10th grade or something
2018-07-27T00:58:57 < antto> ja schprechen wery gut engrish, ja
2018-07-27T00:59:00 < Cracki> cheap place or old people
2018-07-27T00:59:24 < zyp> cheap place for sure, young girl was staffing the front desk last night
2018-07-27T00:59:27 < Cracki> grab anyone who looks school-age, they're good with english
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2018-07-27T00:59:54 < Cracki> if she could have been 15/16, she might be in vocational training
2018-07-27T01:00:05 < zyp> idk
2018-07-27T01:00:09 < zyp> point still stands :p
2018-07-27T01:00:25 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/19YqY.jpg <- today I met this
2018-07-27T01:00:54 < zyp> my car was on one side of that gate, the only functional fast charger within the battery range I had left was on the other side of that gate
2018-07-27T01:01:14 < Cracki> heh someone must have put their company's chargers on a map
2018-07-27T01:01:27 < Cracki> Essen plate ic
2018-07-27T01:01:40 < zyp> huh?
2018-07-27T01:01:50 < Cracki> dat car
2018-07-27T01:01:56 < zyp> I don't think my norwegian license plate is from Essen :)
2018-07-27T01:02:06 < Cracki> looks german overall
2018-07-27T01:02:10 < Cracki> ok, the numbers look odd
2018-07-27T01:02:44 < zyp> not company chargers
2018-07-27T01:03:02 < zyp> this was at an autobahn rest stop
2018-07-27T01:03:13 < Cracki> ah, wrong gate perhaps
2018-07-27T01:03:31 < zyp> charger on one side didn't work, and I didn't have enough battery left to go down to the next exit and back to get to the other side, so I took the back path
2018-07-27T01:03:38 < zyp> and the fucking other side was fenced in
2018-07-27T01:03:56 < Steffanx> Lol at CE logo at gate
2018-07-27T01:04:03 < Cracki> wat did you do, handcrank the car?
2018-07-27T01:04:08 < zyp> haha
2018-07-27T01:04:09 < cpctr> Just fill her with a jerry can
2018-07-27T01:04:43 < zyp> nah, I went over to the restaurant, asked for somebody who spoke english and described the problem, and he opened the gate for me
2018-07-27T01:04:43 < antto> put a banana peel in her
2018-07-27T01:05:36 < zyp> the other realistic option would have been to call my insurance to get a tow truck to come move my car from one side to the other, but that would have been a bit silly, so I'm glad I avoided that :p
2018-07-27T01:05:51 < cpctr> Indeedy
2018-07-27T01:05:58 < Steffanx> Silly is goos.
2018-07-27T01:06:01 < Steffanx> Good.
2018-07-27T01:06:14 < cpctr> I hear a lot of Germans speak good English
2018-07-27T01:06:26 < Cracki> don't count on it
2018-07-27T01:06:32 < Steffanx> On zhe irc cpctr ?
2018-07-27T01:06:51 < cpctr> Nope
2018-07-27T01:06:55 < zyp> also, the reason I ended up in a situation where one defective charger almost left me stranded was because the two previous chargers I tried also didn't work
2018-07-27T01:07:05 < cpctr> Through friends I know working there
2018-07-27T01:07:25 < Steffanx> I never had issues with a not working diesel pump :P
2018-07-27T01:07:30 < cpctr> The triple dog
2018-07-27T01:07:33 < Steffanx> Oh thats a lie. I had it once.
2018-07-27T01:07:37 < zyp> so far, charger reliability is the largest challenge here, when they work they tend to be both available and free :p
2018-07-27T01:07:41 < Cracki> some germans speak awful english, even researchers at university
2018-07-27T01:07:51 < cpctr> A conspiracy by the oil cuntpanies
2018-07-27T01:07:52 < zyp> in norway, chargers tend to be busy and cost money :p
2018-07-27T01:08:11 < Cracki> pronunciation is shit, syntax is shit, using false friends obliviously
2018-07-27T01:08:57 < Steffanx> I think cpctr compares it to aussies. They dont speak proper english either
2018-07-27T01:09:02 < zyp> I find I can understand written german fairly well
2018-07-27T01:09:06 < cpctr> Correct
2018-07-27T01:09:12 < zyp> at least, I can guess at the meaning of what I read
2018-07-27T01:09:16 < zyp> spoken is harder
2018-07-27T01:09:27 < zyp> and I have no idea how to construct my own sentences
2018-07-27T01:09:35 < cpctr> Aussie English is a form of ebonics
2018-07-27T01:09:40 < Steffanx> Then you shouldnt have a real problem with dutch either
2018-07-27T01:09:41 < antto> i have.. KEIL KITLER /o
2018-07-27T01:09:53 < cpctr> Keil is good
2018-07-27T01:09:55 < zyp> Steffanx, true
2018-07-27T01:10:24 < zyp> Steffanx, so far, what I've seen of dutch looks even more similar to norwegian
2018-07-27T01:10:33 < Cracki> this is a Keiler, let me show you it: https://www.maennersache.de/assets/styles/article_image/public/field/image/wildschwein_0.jpg
2018-07-27T01:10:39 < zyp> with some extra wovels
2018-07-27T01:11:12 < antto> that a big f*cking wild swine
2018-07-27T01:11:24 < cpctr> The stroopwafel delivery
2018-07-27T01:11:26 < antto> browsin le garbage
2018-07-27T01:11:26 < Cracki> Borstenviech https://djz.de/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/10/RS295987_IMG_9589-hpr-Kopie.jpg
2018-07-27T01:11:35 < Cracki> garbage makes you stronk
2018-07-27T01:11:45 < antto> like a rok
2018-07-27T01:12:43 < zyp> Steffanx, yesterday I saw a swiss leaf, at first I thought it was tctw that had come to hang out and had gotten a car to match
2018-07-27T01:12:56 < zyp> unfortunately it was not :(
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2018-07-27T01:36:51 < Thorn> why are there storefronts that say 'gift shop' in .de / .nl, given what gift means in those languages lol
2018-07-27T01:38:10 < zyp> haha
2018-07-27T01:39:09 < zyp> I'm not sure about .de / .nl, but in norwegian, «gift» can also mean «married»
2018-07-27T01:39:57 < zyp> in addition to «poison», which I assume is what you were thinking of
2018-07-27T01:40:16 < Thorn> Giftgas etc.
2018-07-27T01:40:23 < englishman> lol @ all of germany being broken
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2018-07-27T01:57:44 < Laurenceb__> muh gui
2018-07-27T01:57:52 < Laurenceb__> I'm about to go full rage mode
2018-07-27T01:58:24 < Laurenceb__> today I got autistic screeching over database integration
2018-07-27T02:05:05 < kakimir> https://i.imgur.com/mqMjBLc.jpg
2018-07-27T02:06:09 < Laurenceb__> they see me ridin, they hatin, https://imgoat.com/uploads/1f491a404d/128416.png
2018-07-27T02:08:26 < jadew> looks like a trap
2018-07-27T02:42:53 < jadew> ok, fusion is nice
2018-07-27T02:43:21 < jadew> it's a lot like solve space, but much much better
2018-07-27T02:44:10 < Thorn> except you don't have control over your own projects
2018-07-27T02:44:19 < Thorn> because 'cloud'
2018-07-27T02:44:25 < jadew> yeah, that sucks
2018-07-27T02:44:44 < jadew> you can export them... but that's not that great
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2018-07-27T03:20:16 < Rickta59> Steffanx: if someone has purchased a Dash device I was wondering if it is still a stm32f205
2018-07-27T03:20:38 < Rickta59> seems like those type of things tend to change over time
2018-07-27T03:20:57 < Rickta59> * I'll look back at yesterday 
2018-07-27T03:23:12 < Rickta59> also I just realized the other day I missed a buying opportunity of getting them for $1
2018-07-27T03:23:41 < Rickta59> ic friendofafriend of friend wants to add a granny zapper to it
2018-07-27T03:23:44 < Rickta59> thanks
2018-07-27T03:24:15 < Rickta59> i guess i was slepping yesterday sorry
2018-07-27T03:32:50 < friendofafriend> I've got a Dash button that has not yet been cracked open.  I'm quite confident it's the same design.
2018-07-27T03:33:47 < friendofafriend> For the price, you didn't go wrong.  There's plenty of microcontrollers around a buck a piece, but which are running from a single AAA battery?
2018-07-27T03:35:11 < friendofafriend> And there's a mic on the Dash button, also.  It's a very exciting device.
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2018-07-27T06:16:56 < Rickta59> did you get a tide one friendofafriend ?
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2018-07-27T06:33:03 < Rickta59> seems like the new dash use an atmel chip instead of st
2018-07-27T06:33:07 < Rickta59> https://mpetroff.net/2016/07/new-amazon-dash-button-teardown-jk29lp/
2018-07-27T06:33:45 < Rickta59> if you search amazon with the partnumber JK76PL it returns one item .. 1st gen aws iot button
2018-07-27T06:34:22 < Rickta59> if you search JK76PL all the current dash product buttons appear
2018-07-27T06:34:33 < Rickta59> JK76PL being the 2nd gen thing
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2018-07-27T08:19:07 < jadew> love the name on these batteries: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-x-UltraFire-18650-8800-3-7V-Rechargeable-Li-ion-Battery-for-Flashlight-torch/262107543441
2018-07-27T08:19:31 < englishman> 8800mah lol
2018-07-27T08:19:57 < englishman> i have some ultrafires, pretty sure there is a AAA-sized battery hidden inside, surrounded by sand
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2018-07-27T08:20:15 < jadew> heh
2018-07-27T08:20:48 < jadew> what brand should I get? I'm looking for a pack that's no bigger than 2 x AAA batteries
2018-07-27T08:22:53 < englishman> so, why are you looking at 18650?
2018-07-27T08:23:32 < jadew> I just searched for li-ion
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2018-07-27T09:01:16 < qyx> jadew: search for pouch cells or prismatic cells
2018-07-27T09:07:35 < jadew> qyx, thanks
2018-07-27T09:12:04 < qyx> ebay is full of those cheap cells
2018-07-27T09:12:09 < qyx> although the quality is variable
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2018-07-27T09:23:16 < jadew> as long as they won't blow up, it's fine
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2018-07-27T09:58:26 < Hamilton> Am I the only one who think this whole Neural Network thing doesn't feel right?
2018-07-27T09:58:45 < Haohmaru> in what way?
2018-07-27T09:59:16 < Haohmaru> u mean artificial neural network thing, not the real thing, right? ;P~
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2018-07-27T10:00:01 < Hamilton> yeah...It seems they are just tweaking things and hope they get their answer
2018-07-27T10:00:27 < Hamilton> Essentially this obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1838
2018-07-27T10:01:46 < Haohmaru> u don't stir the data
2018-07-27T10:01:58 < Haohmaru> u teach teh machine
2018-07-27T10:02:15 < Hamilton> Haohmaru, well, I guess you *hunt* for relevant features?
2018-07-27T10:02:23 < Hamilton> instead of pure data
2018-07-27T10:03:05 < Hamilton> Actually I've read somewhere, tweaking the input data is more effective than the algorithm itself!
2018-07-27T10:03:47 < Haohmaru> not the algorithm
2018-07-27T10:03:52 < Haohmaru> teh coefficients in it
2018-07-27T10:04:03 < Hamilton> Take that *activation function* business for instance...I mean, what is the single reasoning behind it? And now people just say use a RelU instead of sigmoid?
2018-07-27T10:04:14 < Haohmaru> changing the algorithm is more like changing the network
2018-07-27T10:04:26 < Haohmaru> that's more "evolution" than "teaching"
2018-07-27T10:05:01 < Hamilton> And you start to thing what a complicated mathy thing that RelU must be ...but it is only a linear function lolz
2018-07-27T10:05:29 < Hamilton> Haohmaru, What is the reasoning behing the number of mid layers and neurons?
2018-07-27T10:07:03 < Haohmaru> i'm not sure i understand your question
2018-07-27T10:07:41 < Haohmaru> note: i am not deeply familiar with ANN, just some signal processing
2018-07-27T10:10:21 < Haohmaru> the guts of the ANN is kinda funky signal processing
2018-07-27T10:10:32 < Hamilton> Haohmaru, I mean the number of hidden layers....For a problem, how do you determine what should be the arcitecture of the system?
2018-07-27T10:10:45 < Haohmaru> how does nature do it?
2018-07-27T10:11:17 < Hamilton> Haohmaru, I don't know...but I'm suspecting whether the researchers acually know it
2018-07-27T10:11:19 < Hamilton> https://playground.tensorflow.org/
2018-07-27T10:13:23 < Haohmaru> Hamilton well, you also don't know how your brain works in details
2018-07-27T10:13:27 < Haohmaru> that's the point
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2018-07-27T10:14:56 < Hamilton> Haohmaru, Well we actually know how classical math works, right? We know optimization algortihms, statistics, calculus and such...Some of these tools target the same domain of ML...but somehow, ML has become the buzzword these days
2018-07-27T10:15:23 < Haohmaru> okay.. and?
2018-07-27T10:16:02 < Hamilton> Idk, I feel this is not math/science...
2018-07-27T10:16:21 < Haohmaru> i feel too warm *shrug*
2018-07-27T10:16:25 < Haohmaru> !wz varna
2018-07-27T10:16:26 < englishbot> [Varna, Bulgaria] Clear. Temp is 25.3°C. Humidity: 73%.
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2018-07-27T10:19:07 < cpctr> gooday sport
2018-07-27T10:19:22 < Haohmaru> kaaa.. paaaa.. see-tor
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2018-07-27T10:20:11 < cpctr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nKcdj6iN/crapelleshorby.JPG
2018-07-27T10:20:11 < zyp> !wz düsseldorf
2018-07-27T10:20:12 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-07-27T10:20:17 < zyp> !wz dusseldorf
2018-07-27T10:20:18 < englishbot> [Dusseldorf, Germany] Clear. Temp is 29°C. SE wind: 11 kph.
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2018-07-27T10:20:31 < zyp> fun fun
2018-07-27T10:20:39 < Haohmaru> ouch
2018-07-27T10:21:12 < cpctr> WELCOME
2018-07-27T10:21:40 < Haohmaru> HAI!
2018-07-27T10:22:01 < cpctr> what are ya doin' mate
2018-07-27T10:22:11 < Haohmaru> me?
2018-07-27T10:22:16 < cpctr> yeah mate
2018-07-27T10:22:46 < cpctr> I'm unable to locate the dutchman
2018-07-27T10:22:51 < Haohmaru> i'm wondering why when i use -Wl,-T <script> the default linker script is still loaded.. before mine
2018-07-27T10:23:06 < Haohmaru> when the documentation says otherwise
2018-07-27T10:23:11 < cpctr> wut
2018-07-27T10:23:32 < Haohmaru> i know there are these "specs"
2018-07-27T10:23:36 < cpctr> i think you need to buy kill
2018-07-27T10:23:42 < Haohmaru> i know i can pass -nospecs or something
2018-07-27T10:25:16 < cpctr> i want to buy facebook shares
2018-07-27T10:27:30 < Haohmaru> mmm facepuke
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2018-07-27T10:50:04 < Steffanx> Yobemag odnetnin, cpctr 
2018-07-27T10:50:26 < cpctr> Ye
2018-07-27T10:51:06 < Haohmaru> psp ynos
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2018-07-27T10:52:32 < cpctr> DrugVice
2018-07-27T10:53:08 < cpctr> Put your brain in a DrugVice
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2018-07-27T12:18:28 < cpctr> a pumping spree
2018-07-27T12:24:59 < Haohmaru> cpctr staaahp, ull create a vacuum
2018-07-27T12:25:16 < cpctr> pumpmaru
2018-07-27T12:25:21 < Haohmaru> our sh*t's gonna boil then
2018-07-27T12:26:02 < Haohmaru> i wonder.. can you "clean" boards by boiling them a bit in distilled water? ;P~
2018-07-27T12:26:08 < cpctr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nKcdj6iN/crapelleshorby.JPG
2018-07-27T12:26:20 < cpctr> try it and see
2018-07-27T12:26:33 < Haohmaru> :/
2018-07-27T12:27:03 < cpctr> how many days a week is there a new 'trump is done for now' headline
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2018-07-27T12:28:27 < Haohmaru> his supporters should be called trumpeteers
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2018-07-27T12:56:39 < Cracki> trump derangement syndrome, it's real
2018-07-27T12:56:48 < Cracki> prime example of cognitive dissonance
2018-07-27T12:57:15 < Cracki> Haohmaru, so you wanna boil a pcb?
2018-07-27T12:57:26 < Haohmaru> i w0z half-kidding ;P~
2018-07-27T12:57:34 < Cracki> you can actually, but not literally
2018-07-27T12:57:47 < Cracki> distilled water is recommended.
2018-07-27T12:57:56 < Haohmaru> maybe in a pressurized cooking pan ;P~
2018-07-27T12:57:58 < Cracki> and afterwards douse with alcohol to displace the remaining water
2018-07-27T12:58:27 < Cracki> "cooking" in ultrasound bath is also not too bad, *IF* you use the right liquids and shit
2018-07-27T12:58:46 < Cracki> the macbook repair guy on youtube rants about this occasionally.
2018-07-27T12:59:15 < Cracki> I'm sure a PCB will just shrug at any boiling distilled water
2018-07-27T12:59:26 < Haohmaru> yeah
2018-07-27T12:59:35 < Haohmaru> and you get a lil bit of bubbles inside
2018-07-27T12:59:43 < Haohmaru> so there's movement
2018-07-27T13:00:27 < Cracki> components might not like 100C, or the water...
2018-07-27T13:00:57 < Haohmaru> afaik under pressure, u can "boil" it at lower than 100°
2018-07-27T13:01:21 < Cracki> particularly components that are open to surounding air, such as pressure sensors or anything hollow such as blood oxygenation light sensors
2018-07-27T13:01:31 < Cracki> I don't think you want pressuer
2018-07-27T13:01:57 < Haohmaru> i don't have any such sensors
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2018-07-27T13:02:28 < Cracki> I'd say a "shower" in aerosolized water at ~room temp would be healthier than even just steaming a PCB at 100C
2018-07-27T13:03:30 < BrainDamage> you want the opposite of under pressure
2018-07-27T13:03:43 < BrainDamage> increasing pressure increases the boiling point
2018-07-27T13:04:27 < BrainDamage> !wz milan
2018-07-27T13:04:28 < Cracki> increasing pressure increases pressure on components
2018-07-27T13:04:29 < englishbot> [Milan, Italy] Clear. Temp is 30.4°C. WNW wind: 9.3 kph.
2018-07-27T13:04:34 < Haohmaru> BrainDamage i meant those pressurized cooker things
2018-07-27T13:04:47 < BrainDamage> yes, those make the temperature even higher
2018-07-27T13:04:56 < Haohmaru> no idea where the pressure goes, but i know their idea is to "boil fasturrr"
2018-07-27T13:05:02 < Haohmaru> hm
2018-07-27T13:05:09 < Cracki> and if you want to lower the boiling point, you need under-pressure (think mount everest). pressuer cookers have over-pressure so they can cook at above 100C
2018-07-27T13:05:10 < Haohmaru> bloh then
2018-07-27T13:05:17 < Cracki> faster because hotter
2018-07-27T13:05:19 < capacitor> hui
2018-07-27T13:05:23 < Haohmaru> Cracki yeah, vacuum
2018-07-27T13:05:34 < Cracki> solid-gas transition point is raised under pressuer
2018-07-27T13:05:42 < Haohmaru> capacitor that's a bad word in my language ;P~
2018-07-27T13:05:45 < BrainDamage> you can get water to boil at room temperature actually
2018-07-27T13:05:59 < capacitor> ah fuck 
2018-07-27T13:05:59 < BrainDamage> I've attached a vacuum pump to a water jar to see, once
2018-07-27T13:06:14 < capacitor> yeah i was about to say innit how a pressure cooker works
2018-07-27T13:06:20 < Cracki> "cooking" in that sense just means turning the water into "steam"
2018-07-27T13:06:28 < Cracki> it does nothing important, not even to veggies
2018-07-27T13:06:36 < capacitor> muh diick
2018-07-27T13:06:37 < Cracki> the point is to raise or lower the temperature
2018-07-27T13:07:19 < Cracki> it takes energy to push water from solid to gas, so that temperature presents a kind of hysteresis or "sticky point"
2018-07-27T13:07:40 < Cracki> you can achieve the same with a temperature control loop
2018-07-27T13:08:45 < BrainDamage> you can't make water stay higher than the boiling point at ambient pressure though
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2018-07-27T13:09:02 < BrainDamage> because more energy goes into bond dissociation rather than KE
2018-07-27T13:09:46 < Cracki> obviously
2018-07-27T13:09:50 < BrainDamage> and most cooking methods use water as heat conduction method
2018-07-27T13:10:32  * Haohmaru is proud that he started something that morphed into a discussion without bad words in every sentence
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2018-07-27T13:17:00 < tomeaton17> I am back.  a user went rogue on my bouncer and got the ip banned
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2018-07-27T13:24:01 < capacitor> idk what you are sayin
2018-07-27T13:24:10 < capacitor> but welcome to stffn32
2018-07-27T13:24:39 < tomeaton17> Essentially some guy was using my ip to troll people about freenodegate
2018-07-27T13:24:41 < tomeaton17> thx
2018-07-27T13:25:07 < Steffanx> It was youe brother
2018-07-27T13:25:25 < capacitor> weird i remember seeing something about such a thing in stonertronics
2018-07-27T13:25:31 < capacitor> dunno wtf it means to be honest
2018-07-27T13:25:56 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: lol I think it was a friend from a long time ago 
2018-07-27T13:26:02 < tomeaton17> not a friend anymore
2018-07-27T13:26:17 < capacitor> the internet produces some very weird characters indeed
2018-07-27T13:26:22  * capacitor looks at Steffanx 
2018-07-27T13:27:32  * Haohmaru looks at the whole channel
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2018-07-27T13:28:12 < capacitor> thanks for that
2018-07-27T13:28:17 < capacitor> having a good look
2018-07-27T13:30:24 < Steffanx> Try a mirror, capacitor 
2018-07-27T13:30:36 < capacitor> a current mirror?
2018-07-27T13:32:22 < Steffanx> Here a pic of you looking in the mirror capacitor 
2018-07-27T13:32:24 < Steffanx> http://www.sciencemag.org/sites/default/files/styles/article_main_large/public/images/92662246-1400_0.jpg?itok=0zhIZtJ2
2018-07-27T13:35:31 < Steffanx> Gonna road rage?
2018-07-27T13:38:37 < capacitor> im uh nigguh'?
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2018-07-27T13:57:41 < capacitor> c00l
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2018-07-27T14:21:22 < Sadale> !ops
2018-07-27T14:22:06 < Sadale> Please temporarily disallow unindentified users from chatting to get rid of this spam wave.
2018-07-27T14:22:10 < Sadale> !ops
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2018-07-27T14:22:53 < Haohmaru> Sadale pls relax
2018-07-27T14:23:08 < Haohmaru> put /mode Sadale +R on yourself
2018-07-27T14:23:21 < Sadale> Haohmaru, thanks. I'll check what's this mode about.
2018-07-27T14:23:43 < Sadale> well, that's just dumb. I'm behind a bouncer.
2018-07-27T14:23:45 < Haohmaru> it will fix your problem, don't try to adjust the ##stm32 "TV"
2018-07-27T14:23:56 < Sadale> I see. thanks Haohmaru :P
2018-07-27T14:24:23 < Haohmaru> bouncer doesn't matter
2018-07-27T14:24:25 < Sadale> Haohmaru, isn't +R is for PM only?
2018-07-27T14:24:30 < Haohmaru> yes
2018-07-27T14:24:46 < Sadale> Haohmaru, nah. Because of the bouncer and message notification, when I join my IRC client pops like a hundreds of messages.
2018-07-27T14:25:05 < Sadale> And all of them are spams :<
2018-07-27T14:25:07 < Haohmaru> that's a buffer
2018-07-27T14:25:13 < Haohmaru> of course
2018-07-27T14:25:29 < Haohmaru> check your bouncer's commands to see how you can clear the buffer
2018-07-27T14:25:44 < Sadale> well, I sort of do that intentionally so that I can read offline messages :P
2018-07-27T14:25:52 < Sadale> And now we've got the spam wave :<
2018-07-27T14:26:00 < Haohmaru> in any case, changing the modes of this channel won't solve that problem at all
2018-07-27T14:26:06 < Sadale> right.
2018-07-27T14:26:41 < Sadale> I wonder what's the intention of those spammers. It's just dumb and I imagine none of us would believe in their "investigation".
2018-07-27T14:27:11 < Sadale> And that's a lot of efforts to launch such a spam wave over major IRC networks. (yes, this spam wave affects many networks)
2018-07-27T14:27:25 < Haohmaru> i'm pretty sure its the same spammers every time, and each "wave" carries a different "message" or "theme"
2018-07-27T14:27:37 < Haohmaru> no idea what their real goal is
2018-07-27T14:27:49 < Sadale> I've never seen spammer of this kind.
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2018-07-27T14:28:01 < Sadale> Another kind I've seen is the mass highlight one. like highlighting all users in a channel.
2018-07-27T14:28:07 < Sadale> Then it spams a short message or something.
2018-07-27T14:28:29 < Haohmaru> yes, those were most likely the same idiots as now
2018-07-27T14:28:39 < Haohmaru> just in a different "mood"
2018-07-27T14:28:44 < Sadale> like please donate to <name of a project> #<projectname>. And after entering that project channel, we'd find out that the spam isn't affiliated with the spammer.
2018-07-27T14:28:50 < Sadale> Haohmaru, I don't know.
2018-07-27T14:29:33 < Sadale> I don't know. perhaps these spam could be launched by discord or slack to drive away existing IRC users. :P
2018-07-27T14:29:34 < Haohmaru> yeah, other times highlighting everyone and saying dumb thinks like "HAPPY NEW YEAR N*G**RS"
2018-07-27T14:29:40 < Sadale> lol right
2018-07-27T14:30:22 < Haohmaru> possible
2018-07-27T14:30:36 < Haohmaru> i'm not moving to any of those
2018-07-27T14:31:03 < Haohmaru> all the gud people are here
2018-07-27T14:31:28 < Haohmaru> plus some not-so-gud ones
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2018-07-27T14:36:04 < Cracki> moving? why would anyone wanna leave this channel? it's the most freedom-loving channel I know
2018-07-27T14:37:09 < Haohmaru> pfff
2018-07-27T14:37:29 < Steffanx> Am i good Haohmaru ?
2018-07-27T14:37:34 < Cracki> anywhere else is infested with holodomor deniers
2018-07-27T14:37:59 < Haohmaru> Steffanx who am i to judge u
2018-07-27T14:38:04 < Steffanx> Cracki: as long as it isnt ##hamradio or too much blaxtet crap youll have your freedom
2018-07-27T14:38:04 < Haohmaru> most-likely not
2018-07-27T14:38:24 < Haohmaru> give me an eggzample of a gud person
2018-07-27T14:38:26 < srk> Steffanx: what's the deal with hamradio? :D
2018-07-27T14:38:43 < Steffanx> jpa-: is a good person Haohmaru 
2018-07-27T14:38:52 < Steffanx> Google freenodegate srk
2018-07-27T14:39:06 < Steffanx> No clue if true
2018-07-27T14:39:16 < Haohmaru> so jpa- has no sins?
2018-07-27T14:39:24 < Haohmaru> hasn't done anything bad?
2018-07-27T14:39:35 < Haohmaru> 100.0000% pure guddness?
2018-07-27T14:40:07 < Haohmaru> (and no rounding-up cheatz allowed)
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2018-07-27T14:43:34 < srk> Steffanx: yeah, cloned websites made the day it stared, true for sure :)
2018-07-27T14:43:44 < srk> trolling gone a bit too far :D
2018-07-27T14:48:09 < Cracki> ##haramradio :>
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2018-07-27T14:58:14 < Steffanx> Absolutely, Haohmaru 
2018-07-27T14:58:41 < Haohmaru> then, ur NOT a gud person
2018-07-27T14:58:59 < Haohmaru> ur below 100.0000%
2018-07-27T14:59:31 < Haohmaru> like everybody else, eggcept jpa-
2018-07-27T15:07:47 < tomeaton17> pretty sure its not true
2018-07-27T15:07:51 < tomeaton17> but its a good meme
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2018-07-27T15:12:45 < Cracki> *melt* spray bottle of water ftw
2018-07-27T15:13:28 < Cracki> would spray my laptop too, it's so hot, but it wouldn't approve
2018-07-27T15:14:03 < Steffanx> Who cares.
2018-07-27T15:14:14 < Steffanx> A laptop has no feelings
2018-07-27T15:14:16 < Steffanx> No emotions
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2018-07-27T15:28:32 < Haohmaru> pour a bucket of water at it!
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2018-07-27T15:53:29 < jpa-> Haohmaru: that's not true really, i once made a bad joke
2018-07-27T15:53:45 < Haohmaru> boom, GUILTY!
2018-07-27T15:54:02 < Haohmaru> u goin to hell, son
2018-07-27T15:54:46 < Steffanx> But he has beem forgiven.
2018-07-27T15:54:57 < Steffanx> And the seal joke was good jpa- 
2018-07-27T15:55:09 < Haohmaru> hell: u drawn in a pool of pic12Fs
2018-07-27T15:59:35 < Haohmaru> also, hell: every time you google something, the first results are from forums.arduino.cc or askubuntu
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2018-07-27T16:09:55 < Steffanx> Dont google. INVENT. Haohmaru 
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2018-07-27T16:10:55 < Haohmaru> pizza with cocoa powder
2018-07-27T16:11:00 < Haohmaru> there, i invented that
2018-07-27T16:11:00 < tctw> hello inovatorz
2018-07-27T16:11:05 < Haohmaru> pfff
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2018-07-27T16:12:39 < Steffanx> Hello how did you get into the office mr tctw ?
2018-07-27T16:13:17 < tctw> we changed all cylinders to some fancy kaba shit. I was the guy who received all keys ;-)
2018-07-27T16:13:33 < Steffanx> No one to kick you out?
2018-07-27T16:13:39 < Steffanx> Its only 15.13
2018-07-27T16:13:41 < tctw> no, the entire company is closed for this week
2018-07-27T16:13:53 < Steffanx> Ah you said that before.
2018-07-27T16:14:30 < Steffanx> I wont be in the office foe the next two weeks \o/
2018-07-27T16:14:34 < Steffanx> For.
2018-07-27T16:14:49 < tctw> nice
2018-07-27T16:14:55 < tctw> I have vacation next week as well
2018-07-27T16:15:05 < Steffanx> Sexy.
2018-07-27T16:15:19 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-07-27T16:15:21 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 34.4°C.
2018-07-27T16:15:25 < Steffanx> Poor me
2018-07-27T16:16:00 < Haohmaru> not gud
2018-07-27T16:16:04 < Haohmaru> !wz varna
2018-07-27T16:16:05 < englishbot> [Varna, Bulgaria] Overcast. Temp is 26.0°C. Humidity: 79%.
2018-07-27T16:16:14 < tctw> this feels right: https://paste.ugfx.io/show/463ce87087
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2018-07-27T16:16:30 < Haohmaru> i switched on teh AC.. maybe i should turn it off.. it's cloudy
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2018-07-27T16:57:42 < karlp> we even have a few bits of sun today, it's amazing!
2018-07-27T16:58:47 < karlp> "Your Order 93401701427253 has been shipped" why can't ali provide a summary of what'
2018-07-27T16:58:49 < karlp> s  in that order?
2018-07-27T16:59:37 < Thorn> ingredients: worst cardboard ever, bubble wrap, chinesium
2018-07-27T17:05:26 < tctw> tell me folks, how to I choose the voltage rating of my ceramic caps? Is 6.3V enough for regular 3.3V decoupling? Is there are _sane_ rule that says something like "oversize by factor 3"?
2018-07-27T17:07:17 < Cracki> scope it, see the spikes
2018-07-27T17:07:24 < Cracki> if it blows, it blows
2018-07-27T17:08:01 < Cracki> logic decoupling is more to protect the rest of the world from the digital iCs than the other away around
2018-07-27T17:08:59 < karlp> wellllll
2018-07-27T17:09:04 < Cracki> and unless you have some serious L in that digital circuit...
2018-07-27T17:09:05 < karlp> it wasn't originally
2018-07-27T17:09:17 < karlp> you want nice edges? gotta drive that shit!
2018-07-27T17:09:25 < karlp> gotta get that juice from somewhere
2018-07-27T17:09:29 < Cracki> >juice
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2018-07-27T17:23:18 < vampi-the-frog> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjHN7BcXsAEQjvT.jpg:large
2018-07-27T17:26:17 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/hCKNM3D.png
2018-07-27T17:26:23 < bitmask> iec socket in
2018-07-27T17:26:44 < vampi-the-frog> nice
2018-07-27T17:26:56 < vampi-the-frog> I wish 3D prints wouldn't look so obvious and garish all the time
2018-07-27T17:26:58 < bitmask> now I gotta route the wires
2018-07-27T17:27:11 < bitmask> yea well it is what it is, maybe in the future
2018-07-27T17:27:23 < bitmask> its still handy
2018-07-27T17:27:28 < bitmask> and a fun hobby
2018-07-27T17:29:03 < Lux> on the stm32l1 series can i connect usb without that 1.5k pullup on dp+ ?
2018-07-27T17:29:54 < vampi-the-frog> Lux: from what I know, if it uses the OTG_FS core, yes
2018-07-27T17:29:59 < vampi-the-frog> if it uses the USBFS core, no
2018-07-27T17:30:46 < Lux> should be the newer one, at least there is a mention of an internal pullup in the rm
2018-07-27T17:30:48 < Lux> thanks
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2018-07-27T17:45:00 < englishman> tctw: just put 100V caps everywhere. then you dont have to worry about it. in this current supply shortage, people are mostly buying 35V and 50V caps so there are plenty of 100V available.
2018-07-27T17:46:04 < tctw> :D
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2018-07-27T18:34:34 < Steffanx> Arrow can deliver everything englishman ..
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2018-07-27T19:03:14 < Steffanx> So did you try the arse cooling seat upgrdman ?
2018-07-27T19:03:29 < upgrdman> Steffanx, amazon is supposed to delivery it today :)
2018-07-27T19:03:36 < Steffanx> Ah
2018-07-27T19:03:50 < upgrdman> i'll tweet about it after i try it
2018-07-27T19:04:13 < upgrdman> i worry it may be too stiff, and it may be to easy to slide around on
2018-07-27T19:05:45 < Steffanx> heh. Ok. 
2018-07-27T19:05:59 < Steffanx> Ill await the tweet
2018-07-27T19:06:02 < upgrdman> k
2018-07-27T19:06:18 < qyx> tctw: as englishman says, nice 1206 100V 100n caps don't hurt anybody
2018-07-27T19:07:43 < Steffanx> Whats next? Through hole?
2018-07-27T19:08:01 < Steffanx> Why not go 0402 or 0201 instead
2018-07-27T19:08:13 < Steffanx> I heard tctw has a microscope
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2018-07-27T20:07:20 < englishman> upgrdman: did you also get a bidet?
2018-07-27T20:07:37 < englishman> qyx: 1206? are you designing UNIVAC? get some 0402 in there
2018-07-27T20:07:38 < upgrdman> lol no
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2018-07-27T20:13:31 < invzim> !wz oslo
2018-07-27T20:13:33 < englishbot> [Oslo, Norway] Clear. Temp is 34°C. South wind: 14 kph.
2018-07-27T20:14:46 < qyx> 34 in norway?
2018-07-27T20:14:57 < invzim> finally some global warming locally
2018-07-27T20:15:06 < qyx> I would believe it if it was in kelvins
2018-07-27T20:15:54 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-07-27T20:15:55 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 32.9°C.
2018-07-27T20:15:59 < Steffanx> awh
2018-07-27T20:16:05 < qyx> !wz bratislava
2018-07-27T20:16:06 < englishbot> [Bratislava, Slovakia] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 29°C. NNW wind: 6 kph.
2018-07-27T20:16:11 < qyx> \o/
2018-07-27T20:16:45 < srk> !wz brno
2018-07-27T20:16:46 < englishbot> [Brno, Czech Republic] Rain. Temp is 25°C. NNE wind: 18 kph. Humidity: 65%.
2018-07-27T20:16:53 < srk> raining \o/
2018-07-27T20:16:59 < srk> qyx: o/
2018-07-27T20:18:14 < englishman> !wz san francisco
2018-07-27T20:18:15 < englishbot> [San Francisco, California] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 13.6°C. WSW wind: 3.2 kph. Humidity: 87%.
2018-07-27T20:18:29 < upgrdman> does c have a compile-time assert? e.g. assert(sizeof(myStruct) == 100)
2018-07-27T20:20:31 < Cracki> there is some trick where you imply an "unreachable" instruction
2018-07-27T20:20:37 < Cracki> which trips the compiler up at compile time
2018-07-27T20:22:01 < qyx> I would say using #if and #error could be used to implement it
2018-07-27T20:22:22 < qyx> quick google shows some macro trickery
2018-07-27T20:22:24 < qyx> srk: \o
2018-07-27T20:22:25 < Cracki> preprocessor knows nothing about sizeof structs
2018-07-27T20:23:04 < Cracki> Built-in Function: void __builtin_unreachable (void)
2018-07-27T20:23:04 < Cracki>  https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Other-Builtins.html
2018-07-27T20:23:12 < Cracki> you can use this to make the compiler complain
2018-07-27T20:23:59 < Cracki> I think that was how someone did it... still searching for my notes
2018-07-27T20:25:16 < Cracki> #define __assume(c) if (!(c)) __builtin_unreachable()
2018-07-27T20:25:44 < Cracki> #gcc 2018-03-08 00:22:28 <Ameisen>  if the condition doens't pass, the result is unreachable. Thus, it's impossible to hit.
2018-07-27T20:26:06 < Cracki> ah nvm that was to help the compiler make assumptions about the code
2018-07-27T20:26:39 < Cracki> _Static_assert seems to be a c11 keyword
2018-07-27T20:29:05 < antto> C++ haz static_assert(condition, "oh noes!");
2018-07-27T20:33:37 < veverak> and "C" has that too now
2018-07-27T20:33:45 < veverak> (latest C version)
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2018-07-27T21:50:45 < englishman> !wz phoenix
2018-07-27T21:50:46 < englishbot> [Phoenix, Arizona] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 42.3°C but feels like 45°C.
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2018-07-27T22:24:05 < Steffanx> heh
2018-07-27T22:24:29 < Steffanx> Hows your sweat shop englishman?
2018-07-27T22:24:41 < englishman> icy cold
2018-07-27T22:24:48 < englishman> thanks to proper hvac
2018-07-27T22:24:52 < englishman> (finally)
2018-07-27T22:25:39 < Steffanx> which i had that too
2018-07-27T22:25:42 < Steffanx> *wished
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2018-07-27T22:27:37 < zyp> !wz dusseldorf
2018-07-27T22:27:39 < englishbot> [Dusseldorf, Germany] Clear. Temp is 29°C. ENE wind: 11 kph.
2018-07-27T22:29:51 < Cracki> wats in ddorf
2018-07-27T22:29:57 < zyp> I am
2018-07-27T22:30:03 < Cracki> why
2018-07-27T22:30:10 < zyp> why not?
2018-07-27T22:30:22 < Cracki> let's start a beer flamewar
2018-07-27T22:31:12 < zyp> I don't know much about german beer, I just buy random stuff I haven't heard about before
2018-07-27T22:32:22 < zyp> I had a couple of non-alcoholic ones at a restaurant earlier tonight, forgot what they were called too, but they were good
2018-07-27T22:33:50 < zyp> currently got a can sitting in a pile of ice that I'm gonna drink when it's cooled off a bit
2018-07-27T22:33:59 < zyp> shitty german hotels don't have refridgerators in the rooms
2018-07-27T22:34:11 < Steffanx> the poor zyp.
2018-07-27T22:34:27 < zyp> haha
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2018-07-27T22:36:41 < Steffanx> Did you explain irc and ##stm32 to your fellow europe tripper yet? Otherwise ill awkward. Ask tctw / tcth_ about it.
2018-07-27T22:36:57 < Steffanx> Itll, not ill :P
2018-07-27T22:37:04 < tcth_> the backstabber
2018-07-27T22:37:07 < Steffanx> I aways awkward.
2018-07-27T22:37:18 < tcth_> yes, you proved that :p
2018-07-27T22:37:18 < Steffanx> Always.
2018-07-27T22:37:29 < tcth_> you told me in advance that that can become a problem, but I didn´t believe you
2018-07-27T22:37:32 < tcth_> anyway, j/k anyway
2018-07-27T22:40:09 < Steffanx> :P
2018-07-27T22:41:05 < zyp> haha
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2018-07-27T22:42:19 < zyp> Cracki, by the way, you mentioned some stuff about license plates yesterday, I've been curious, how does the pattern actually work?
2018-07-27T22:42:46 < Cracki> uh? it just looked similar to a german one. black on white, letters then numbers
2018-07-27T22:42:53 < zyp> sure, sure
2018-07-27T22:42:58 < zyp> but how does the german pattern work?
2018-07-27T22:42:59 < Cracki> difference: germans go like AB-CDE or something
2018-07-27T22:43:13 < Cracki> city, then arbitrary
2018-07-27T22:43:21 < zyp> right
2018-07-27T22:43:21 < Cracki> typically 4 digits then
2018-07-27T22:43:34 < zyp> so the thing before the stickers is 1-3 letters for city?
2018-07-27T22:43:43 < Cracki> yes
2018-07-27T22:43:44 < zyp> and the letters/digits after are arbitrary?
2018-07-27T22:43:54 < Cracki> stickers are above and below a dash
2018-07-27T22:43:59 < Cracki> they are.
2018-07-27T22:44:11 < Cracki> you can choose if you wanna pay a little extra.
2018-07-27T22:44:30 < Cracki> some are forbidden, because in germany, you have thought restrictions
2018-07-27T22:45:20 < Steffanx> Ofcourse... Is that really weird?
2018-07-27T22:45:30 < zyp> how come some cities are one letter, some are two and some are three?
2018-07-27T22:45:43 < Cracki> largest cities get the shortest tags
2018-07-27T22:45:48 < zyp> makes sense
2018-07-27T22:45:57 < Cracki> bumfuck county gets three letters
2018-07-27T22:46:22 < Cracki> D is duesseldorf, DD is dresden
2018-07-27T22:46:38 < zyp> was guessing it might be something like that
2018-07-27T22:46:49 < Cracki> some start with H for Hansestadt (old maritime trading towns), e.g. Hamburg is HH
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2018-07-27T22:47:28 < Cracki> letters of course gotta occur in the name of the city or administrative area
2018-07-27T22:47:56 < zyp> in norway we have a more regular pattern, cars all get two letters and five digits
2018-07-27T22:48:07 < Cracki> military has Y-... and maybe no second level letters
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2018-07-27T22:48:15 < Cracki> regular?
2018-07-27T22:48:50 < zyp> the two letters signify area and the five digits are assigned sequentially in the area from 10000 to 99999
2018-07-27T22:48:57 < Cracki> heh
2018-07-27T22:49:46 < zyp> and the letters are kinda alphabetically ordered too, starts with AA at the south along the border to sweden and ends with ZZ all the way up in the north
2018-07-27T22:50:32 < zyp> but there's also some series reserved, like EL, EK and EV, that are reserved for EVs
2018-07-27T22:51:05 < zyp> they filled up EL a while ago, almost filled EK now and started assigning EV a couple of weeks ago
2018-07-27T22:52:56 < Cracki> when did they make this scheme? couldn't have been too long ago, given they had EVs in mind
2018-07-27T22:53:46 < zyp> not sure they were assigned from the beginning, possibly just reserved
2018-07-27T22:55:20 < zyp> they started assigning EL in 1999, apparently
2018-07-27T22:58:04 < zyp> the system with two letters was introduced in 1971, before that they used a similar scheme with only a single letter
2018-07-27T23:01:12 < Steffanx> Im still surprised germany even has this system. Especially with all the privacy crap in germany. Like no google street view.
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2018-07-27T23:02:10 < Steffanx> In dutchland you cannot see where someone is from. You cannot even infer a region
2018-07-27T23:03:00 < Steffanx> And a license plate belongs to a car.
2018-07-27T23:03:14 < BrainDamage> here license plate is tied to the car frame
2018-07-27T23:03:48 < BrainDamage> if you change ownership, the car may get a new license plate, but still not a vanity plate
2018-07-27T23:04:25 < BrainDamage> we used to have province-based license plates ... like 20 years ago
2018-07-27T23:04:29 < Steffanx> Here it will keep the same old license plate.
2018-07-27T23:04:41 < BrainDamage> you can still still see a few of those around
2018-07-27T23:04:43 < Steffanx> Not sure if it even can be changed.
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2018-07-27T23:10:34 < BrainDamage> re forbidden plates: I took this about a week ago https://ptpb.pw/6PlR.jpg
2018-07-27T23:12:16 < Steffanx> Heh
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2018-07-27T23:15:23 < zyp> haha
2018-07-27T23:15:25 < zyp> «Die Seite wurde blockiert. Wenn Sie vermuten dass das fehlerhaft ist, kontaktieren Sie bitte den Administrator.»
2018-07-27T23:15:49 < zyp> this hotel has some sucky internet filter
2018-07-27T23:16:24 < zyp> for some reason, my own site is also on the shitlist
2018-07-27T23:17:18 < Thorn> what about pornhub
2018-07-27T23:18:16 < zyp> haven't tried
2018-07-27T23:18:38 < zyp> pornhub is not blocked
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2018-07-27T23:23:29 < vampi-the-frog> stupid germs
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2018-07-27T23:28:41 < Cracki> that's what everyone's supposed to think
2018-07-27T23:28:48 < Thorn> is anybody watching the eclipse
2018-07-27T23:29:14 < Cracki> who is eclipsing whom?
2018-07-27T23:30:07 < Steffanx> Nothing to see here Thaolia 
2018-07-27T23:30:09 < Steffanx> Thorn: 
2018-07-27T23:30:17 < Steffanx> Guess its below the horizon
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2018-07-27T23:49:26 < invzim> lesson learned - design for self test after assembly
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2018-07-28T01:14:37 < Laurenceb__> sup
2018-07-28T01:14:43 < Laurenceb__> today I crashed muh car
2018-07-28T01:15:40 < sync> good
2018-07-28T01:15:50 < Laurenceb__> top batz
2018-07-28T01:15:54 < capacitor> WELcome
2018-07-28T01:16:07 < Laurenceb__> its funny cuz it only resulted in a scratched wheel
2018-07-28T01:16:10 < Laurenceb__> sync btfo
2018-07-28T01:16:27 < sync> it is not a crash if you only scratched your wheel
2018-07-28T01:16:35 < capacitor> Any dead ppl?
2018-07-28T01:16:39 < Laurenceb__> heh
2018-07-28T01:16:51 < Laurenceb__> freaking roudabouts how do they work
2018-07-28T01:16:52 < capacitor> Landwhales?
2018-07-28T01:17:21 < Laurenceb__> someone was trying to overtake me on a roundabout and blocking my exit
2018-07-28T01:17:40 < capacitor> Did you tell them about your heritage
2018-07-28T01:17:56 < Laurenceb__> I tried to slow to let them pass and they tried to slow to let me pass, resulting in speed chicken
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2018-07-28T01:18:55 < Laurenceb__> while we were making wtf arm signals at each other we passed through about 90degrees of rotation over~45 degrees of roundabout
2018-07-28T01:19:35 < capacitor> B83
2018-07-28T01:19:44 < Laurenceb__> luckily I didnt embed the car in the "roundabout sponsored by..." sign
2018-07-28T01:19:45 < zyp> I tried beating a german from a stoplight to a merge yesterday, I'm not used to other drivers driving as agressively as me
2018-07-28T01:19:57 < sync> :D
2018-07-28T01:20:17 < sync> where in germoney are you at currently?
2018-07-28T01:20:23 < zyp> Düsseldorf
2018-07-28T01:20:24 < capacitor> 1 million Jews and counting
2018-07-28T01:20:51 < Laurenceb__> it was helped by the fact I was doing about 5mph by the time I hit the roundabout
2018-07-28T01:21:03 < capacitor> Cool
2018-07-28T01:21:18 < capacitor> So that’d be 100 km/h
2018-07-28T01:21:24 < Laurenceb__> lesson: dont go irl rage mode while driving
2018-07-28T01:21:46 < capacitor> Ok I’ll take your advice
2018-07-28T01:21:58 < Laurenceb__> unless you want to say hello to the street furniture
2018-07-28T01:22:28 < Laurenceb__> my wheel alignment is now back to normal, win win
2018-07-28T01:22:59 < zyp> being an EV, I can out-torque most cars, so when I'm side by side at a red light and punch it on green, I'm used to getting and staying ahead
2018-07-28T01:23:26 < zyp> yesterday I jumped ahead of the german, but he followed up and got angry when I tried merging ahead of him
2018-07-28T01:23:41 < capacitor> heh
2018-07-28T01:23:58 < zyp> and since my lane were the one ending, I guess I were technically supposed to yield
2018-07-28T01:24:19 < capacitor> dont use logic on an angry german
2018-07-28T01:26:17 < Laurenceb__> how does he do it https://imgoat.com/uploads/1f491a404d/128854.jpg
2018-07-28T01:26:18 < zyp> ended up slamming the brakes and letting him overtake
2018-07-28T01:26:49 < Laurenceb__> lol @ all the ppl staring and grinning
2018-07-28T01:27:12 < capacitor> is he with a trans hooker?
2018-07-28T01:27:16 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-07-28T01:27:21 < Laurenceb__>  >plot twist
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2018-07-28T01:29:09 < capacitor> there always is
2018-07-28T01:29:35 < capacitor> speaking of news the au site is so annoying, 3 times a day "trump is done for"
2018-07-28T01:29:59 < capacitor> say it 700 times and maybe it will be
2018-07-28T01:30:34 < capacitor> i can't wait for him to have an autistic shit fit and press the button on everyone
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2018-07-28T02:00:35 < capacitor> the dogs
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2018-07-28T02:19:02 < upgrdman> that feeling when you walk into a store to buy a usb memory stick, and right at the entrance is a stand full of them on sale.
2018-07-28T02:19:38 < upgrdman> spent less than one minute in the store. so satisfying
2018-07-28T02:20:22 < veverak> how many viruses on it? :)
2018-07-28T02:20:38 < upgrdman> dunno. first thing i did was format it
2018-07-28T02:20:54 < upgrdman> so hopefully no 0-days compromised me
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2018-07-28T03:29:26 < upgrdman> https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/92fo33/the_little_mermaid_asia_edition/
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2018-07-28T04:25:14 < capacitor> hm
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2018-07-28T06:52:18 < aandrew> interesting, stmicro bought touchgfx
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2018-07-28T07:04:36 < englishman> used by sodastream, it must be good
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2018-07-28T07:10:35 < upgrdman> fucking amazon. one of the rare times i want my order delivered on time, and these faggots fuck it up. guessing they ran out, they emailed me to say "should ship on monday, sry, lolumad"
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2018-07-28T07:46:59 < Thorn> are hotbeds heated only at the start of a print job or the whole time?
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2018-07-28T07:48:50 < englishman> usually the whole time
2018-07-28T07:48:58 < englishman> prevents warping or whatever
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2018-07-28T09:15:42 < zyp> Thorn, they're heated as long as you want the object to stick
2018-07-28T09:16:02 < zyp> in some cases, when you turn off the hotbed, object pops right off
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2018-07-28T09:17:14 < Thorn> oic
2018-07-28T09:17:41 < Thorn> the hotbed is the least understood part of 3d printer for me lol
2018-07-28T09:18:18 < Thorn> but the previous layer doesn't need to be hot for the newly extruded filament to stick?
2018-07-28T09:19:22 < zyp> nah, the newly extruded filament is hot enough to take care of that
2018-07-28T09:21:45 < jpa-> the warmed bed does keep the previous layers warmer also, though
2018-07-28T09:22:09 < jpa-> which delays them shrinking and thus reduces warping
2018-07-28T09:22:46 < jpa-> you can get prints to stick very well to non-heated bed by using a plastic bed, but then it is very hard to get them off :P
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2018-07-28T09:51:32 < Thorn> there seems to be lots of bed designs, plus some people put some kind of tape on it, others use glue sticks, still others use glass or a piece of mirror, some are even machined aluminium(?)
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2018-07-28T10:03:08 < zyp> the challenge is to have the print stick completely while printing, while also coming off without breaking the part after you're done
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2018-07-28T10:05:23 < zyp> if it doesn't stick completely, you get curling in the corners, when the upper layers cool off and contract, pulling inwards
2018-07-28T10:05:37 < zyp> my old printer without a heated bed had a lot of that
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2018-07-28T10:11:04 < Thorn> lol limesdr mini (ordered in Feb) has arrived to my post office
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2018-07-28T11:18:39 < Steffanx> Mr con3 ...
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2018-07-28T11:55:44 < capacitor> identify
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2018-07-28T12:20:24 < Steffanx> You cannot identify capacitor 
2018-07-28T12:20:35 < Steffanx> You change so often that its no longer possible
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2018-07-28T12:22:43 < capacitor> welcome and hi
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2018-07-28T12:22:56 < capacitor> doesn't matter what nick you can go identify capacitor pwd
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2018-07-28T12:34:46 < capacitor> gooday sport
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2018-07-28T12:44:03 < Steffanx> Hows the altium day capacitor?
2018-07-28T12:44:15 < capacitor> very good
2018-07-28T12:44:20 < capacitor> how about yours
2018-07-28T12:44:36 < Steffanx> no altium day here
2018-07-28T12:44:51 < Steffanx> it's gay pride day. 
2018-07-28T12:45:41 < Steffanx> Even the bank app on my phone changed it's background to something lgtbsddgsfdg-people on a boat. Glad i switched banks.
2018-07-28T12:45:59 < Steffanx> Soon i'll no longer need that app
2018-07-28T12:47:27 < Steffanx> Hi sir.
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2018-07-28T13:19:01 < Steffanx> whops a bit unspecific
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2018-07-28T15:44:04 < Steffanx> Thorn you strike me as someone with experience with the JDS6600.
2018-07-28T15:44:22 < Steffanx> Dont a fancy function gen. just something that semi works
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2018-07-28T16:14:59 < aandrew> I need a function gen that can generate FM (just simple moduleated sine or something is fine
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2018-07-28T16:35:57 < Cracki> multiplication?
2018-07-28T16:36:22 < Cracki> signal generators might be able to do that, if they're not too basic
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2018-07-28T16:41:19 < Steffanx> Even cheaperish rigols or siglents can do that. it just depends on what freq. you want.
2018-07-28T16:41:38 < aandrew> FM band (87-108MHz)
2018-07-28T16:41:44 < Steffanx> ah yhere you go :P
2018-07-28T16:41:45 < aandrew> I can find cheap sub-10MHz ones
2018-07-28T16:41:52 < aandrew> butnothing up that high
2018-07-28T16:43:20 < Steffanx> you mean in a sub $1K range i assume
2018-07-28T16:44:46 < karlp> Lux: the l1 has errata on the pullup.  if you have a -A part, you're fine iirc.
2018-07-28T16:45:06 < aandrew> Steffanx: yes.
2018-07-28T16:45:28 < aandrew> not gonna spend $1k on a function gen with this capability unless I have longterm use
2018-07-28T16:45:37 < sync> pffft
2018-07-28T16:45:43 < sync> just bill it to the customer
2018-07-28T16:46:34 < Steffanx> or find a boss that has big munny, like syncs boss?
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2018-07-28T16:59:47 < bitmask> jesus, I do some stupid shit sometimes.  I just connected AC to the +V on my new mean well 350w psu.  the ac is on the opposite side of my old psu and I guess I just wasn't paying attention. plugged it in and the circuit breaker blew instantly, I am shocked it didn't blow the psu.  If the led comes on and is outputting 12v does that mean I didn't damage it? Should I be worried?
2018-07-28T17:00:35 < Adluc> bitmask: N was connected properly?
2018-07-28T17:01:07 < bitmask> no
2018-07-28T17:01:10 < bitmask> nothing was
2018-07-28T17:01:26 < Adluc> neutral wire from AC was connected?
2018-07-28T17:01:35 < bitmask> they were all connected to +V
2018-07-28T17:01:50 < Adluc> V+? L and N?
2018-07-28T17:01:55 < bitmask> ... all yes
2018-07-28T17:02:05 < Adluc> then nothing happend
2018-07-28T17:02:05 < bitmask> L N GND
2018-07-28T17:02:23 < Adluc> I still dont get it :D how could you connect it that way?
2018-07-28T17:03:18 < bitmask> because the wiring is opposite my old one, on my old one the AC inputs are on the left and on the new one they are on the right, I guess I was so focused on keeping the order of the 3 right that I didn't check the labels and fucked up :/
2018-07-28T17:03:22 < Adluc> https://hifimediy.com/image/cache/meanwell1-4-1024x830+-800x800.jpg
2018-07-28T17:03:37 < Adluc> so you connected GND,L,N all on V+?
2018-07-28T17:03:43 < bitmask> yes
2018-07-28T17:03:50 < Steffanx> Oh. should be ok then..
2018-07-28T17:03:50 < Adluc> then nothing happend
2018-07-28T17:03:54 < Lux> karlp: good to know thanks
2018-07-28T17:04:03 < bitmask> I mean I guess it just shorted straight then, didnt go through the psu
2018-07-28T17:04:06 < Lux> i guess i'll just hack on the pullup then
2018-07-28T17:04:30 < Lux> it's some discovery board I fitted a usb cable on
2018-07-28T17:04:48 < Adluc> bitmask: but make sure you use RCD
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2018-07-28T17:05:10 < Adluc> in that case if you short N or L to GND, it would trip
2018-07-28T17:05:36 < bitmask> rcd?
2018-07-28T17:05:44 < Adluc> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residual-current_device
2018-07-28T17:06:52 < bitmask> ahh
2018-07-28T17:06:59 < Adluc> https://www.schrack.com/shop/distribution-board-equipment/protective-devices-rcd-mcb-and-accessories/rcbo-combined-mcb-and-rccb/rcbo-combined-mcb-and-rccb-series-bolf-3polig-10ka-typ-a/combined-mcb-rcd-rcbo-16-3-b-003-type-a-10ka-bo618316.html
2018-07-28T17:07:01 < Adluc> shit like this
2018-07-28T17:07:08 < Adluc> oh wait no
2018-07-28T17:07:22 < Adluc> thats incorrect
2018-07-28T17:08:01 < Steffanx> Are there still houses without an RCD?
2018-07-28T17:08:35 < bitmask> not all breakers had rcd, I think the one I blew did though
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2018-07-28T18:05:45  * catphish dances "i finally successfully implemented FOC" dance!
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2018-07-28T18:19:46 < Cracki> dance the foc!
2018-07-28T18:41:17 < Steffanx> foc that.
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2018-07-28T18:45:17 < antto> foc dis shi too
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2018-07-28T18:51:09 < Cracki> I love this picture https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjKY7eLVsAEmJGq.jpg:orig
2018-07-28T18:52:12 < antto> mm facepuke
2018-07-28T18:52:50 < Steffanx> what was announced at that time Cracki?
2018-07-28T18:52:53 < englishman> i like this one better https://i.imgur.com/qx1YZ6Z.jpg
2018-07-28T18:53:02 < Cracki> no clue, some shadowbanning shit I assume
2018-07-28T18:53:31 < Cracki> what do I see there, englishman 
2018-07-28T18:53:45 < Steffanx> englishman's current balance.. (would be nice)
2018-07-28T18:54:20 < Cracki> an englishman that has dollars, wat
2018-07-28T18:54:36 < Steffanx> CAD.
2018-07-28T18:54:48 < englishman> facebook puts before earnings release this week
2018-07-28T18:54:50 < englishman> and no, not me
2018-07-28T18:56:07 < Steffanx> awh
2018-07-28T19:04:06 < Thorn> Steffanx: I've got a sdg2042x
2018-07-28T19:04:25 < Thorn> hacked to 2122x
2018-07-28T19:05:05 < Steffanx> interesting, just a fw hack?
2018-07-28T19:05:40 < Thorn> eevblog provides a custom firmware, all you need is flash it using builtin firmware update
2018-07-28T19:19:44 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/5Z5aIKb
2018-07-28T19:19:45 < bitmask> w00t
2018-07-28T19:20:10 < Steffanx> That hack would be aandrew cheapskate solution for FM at 87-108MHz i assume
2018-07-28T19:20:30 < Steffanx> Im glad you removed the camera though :P
2018-07-28T19:20:34 < Steffanx> @ mr bitmask
2018-07-28T19:20:36 < bitmask> haha yea it was real heavy
2018-07-28T19:26:12 < Cracki> sync camera to z-change for best videos
2018-07-28T19:26:37 < Cracki> or frame blending... rarely do people get time lapses right
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2018-07-28T21:28:26 < Cracki> slow evening...
2018-07-28T21:36:19 < catphish> just finished commenting, one largely functional FOC variable frequency drive for induction motors: https://github.com/catphish/stm32_vfd/blob/master/main.c
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2018-07-28T21:37:21 < catphish> it's surprisingly simple now it's finished and i understand it, but took me months to figure it out :)
2018-07-28T21:45:12 < srk> cool
2018-07-28T21:45:56 < srk> kudos for such expressive code!
2018-07-28T21:46:43 < srk> I'm stuck at current limits xD
2018-07-28T21:46:43 < Cracki> you know, from a 1200 PPR encoder you can get 4800 edges
2018-07-28T21:47:17 < srk> TIM2->CNT
2018-07-28T21:47:19 < catphish> actually, not that i think about it, it's a 600PPR encoder, that's why i'm getting 2400
2018-07-28T21:47:24 < Cracki> loop_period = 1.0f / loop_frequency ;)
2018-07-28T21:47:25 < catphish> *now
2018-07-28T21:47:27 < Cracki> ic
2018-07-28T21:47:34 < vampi-the-frog> TIMOTHY2
2018-07-28T21:47:46 < srk> I'm running the same encoder, trying as5407 as well
2018-07-28T21:47:50 < Cracki> I'm playing with a brushed dc motor and a 100 PPR encoder. you can see the steps
2018-07-28T21:47:55 < srk> but these are dead simple
2018-07-28T21:48:01 < catphish> i tried to write loop_period = 1.0f / loop_frequency, gcc complained about it not being constant
2018-07-28T21:48:05 < Cracki> wat
2018-07-28T21:48:07 < srk> these 600CPR are like $10
2018-07-28T21:48:09 < Cracki> stupid gcc
2018-07-28T21:48:21 < catphish> srk: yes they are :)
2018-07-28T21:48:47 < Cracki> I'm gonna read all that code. months of suffering is gonna be good
2018-07-28T21:49:12 < Cracki> / Clarke
2018-07-28T21:49:14 < Cracki> magic numbers
2018-07-28T21:49:26 < srk> catphish: no encoder calib?
2018-07-28T21:49:30 < srk> encoder offset
2018-07-28T21:49:46 < srk> Cracki: faster sine cosine :D
2018-07-28T21:49:51 < Cracki> heh
2018-07-28T21:50:00 < Cracki> what's there to calib with an encoder
2018-07-28T21:50:03 < Cracki> it's just pulses
2018-07-28T21:50:12 < srk> no no
2018-07-28T21:50:15 < Cracki> yes yes
2018-07-28T21:50:16 < srk> encoder offset for FOC
2018-07-28T21:50:18 < catphish> srk: no, just the pulses, i don't care about the absolute position
2018-07-28T21:50:23 < srk> ok :)
2018-07-28T21:50:44 < srk> but how
2018-07-28T21:51:00 < catphish> the position of the shaft is no use for FOC in an induction motor, because the magnetic field moves relative to the shaft
2018-07-28T21:51:03 < Cracki> > // Flux capacitor estimator//
2018-07-28T21:51:23 < srk> ahaa
2018-07-28T21:51:37 < catphish> the hard part of all this is estimating where the megnetic field is
2018-07-28T21:52:04 < Cracki> I give up, it's magic
2018-07-28T21:52:21 < catphish> you have to estimate it based on the speed of the shaft and the amplitude of the stator currents
2018-07-28T21:52:37 < catphish> and seemingly it's quite accurate, even with pretty noise adc data
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2018-07-28T22:09:58 < catphish> i do rather enjoy how fast the stm32 can do all the floating point stuff, beats endless manual bit shifting
2018-07-28T22:10:32 < catphish> this is my hardware setup: https://imgur.com/a/IR173Ng
2018-07-28T22:10:55 < catphish> my timing belt didn't arrive from the supplier, hence elactic bands :(
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2018-07-28T22:21:09 < Thorn> catphish: so you're making 3 phases from a single phase AC?
2018-07-28T22:21:37 < catphish> Thorn: 3 phase AC from batteries
2018-07-28T22:21:43 < catphish> (DC)
2018-07-28T22:24:02 < Thorn> what are the driver ICs?
2018-07-28T22:26:38 < catphish> i'm using IKW30N60T IGBTs driven by UCC21520DW isolating drivers
2018-07-28T22:27:58 < catphish> they're pretty cool, they provide the charge pump for the the high side drivers, isolation, protection against shoot-through
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2018-07-28T22:55:22 < Thorn> cool project
2018-07-28T22:58:18 < catphish> thanks, it's getting there
2018-07-28T22:58:44 < catphish> my hope is to eventually build some kind of electric vehicle, though my mechanical abilities aren't up to much
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2018-07-28T23:08:27 < vampi-the-frog> what's that vishay thing? a transformer?
2018-07-28T23:13:20 < Adluc> does anyone have a convention for small "stamp" PCBs with regulators (ESP8266-like)?
2018-07-28T23:13:43 < Adluc> or do you all hardwire regulator with inductor on board?
2018-07-28T23:14:16 < Cracki> the latter
2018-07-28T23:14:59 < Cracki> or dgaf and expect the right voltage right away
2018-07-28T23:15:48 < Adluc> because I'd like to make it variable per design, but not having to change PCB, in case of lipo batteries, or having PST-JH connectors on it for battery or so
2018-07-28T23:16:04 < Adluc> and asking if anyone have a "convention" for the package of the power pcb
2018-07-28T23:16:21 < Cracki> "wired loosely and stuffed in the case"
2018-07-28T23:16:29 < Adluc> yeah, understandable :D
2018-07-28T23:16:37 < Cracki> you ask the wrong question
2018-07-28T23:16:43 < Cracki> anyone could have their personal convention
2018-07-28T23:16:49 < Cracki> but that's useless to you
2018-07-28T23:17:05 < Cracki> you want a convention, go with arduino headers :>
2018-07-28T23:17:26 < Adluc> not entirely, might know some pitfalls of this
2018-07-28T23:17:35 < Cracki> afaik nobody does their stepdown as a separate "stamp" pcb
2018-07-28T23:17:58 < Cracki> not even the stepdown/stepup/bothway regulators on aliexpress follow any convention
2018-07-28T23:18:08 < Adluc> okay, guess ill make one
2018-07-28T23:18:15 < Cracki> nobody will follow it
2018-07-28T23:18:19 < Adluc> I will
2018-07-28T23:18:34 < Cracki> so will you make your own regulator stamps too?
2018-07-28T23:18:47 < zyp> Adluc, what problem are you trying to solve?
2018-07-28T23:19:45 < Adluc> zyp: problem is, that depending on application, board might be powered by single use batteries, or LiFePO4, where regualtor has to have set underovltage lockout, or even a charger
2018-07-28T23:20:18 < Adluc> my partial solution for this is to "make standard" for a footprint of PCB with castellated holes or how it is called, like ESP8266 but smaller
2018-07-28T23:20:33 < Adluc> And question was, if someone here solved this kind of problem before
2018-07-28T23:20:43 < zyp> what'll be on this pcb?
2018-07-28T23:21:28 < Adluc> on the main PCB will be L4 and some radio, on the stamp will be e.g. TPS62125
2018-07-28T23:21:48 < Adluc> but I want to it customizable up to last oven baking
2018-07-28T23:22:17 < zyp> okay, so you basically want to define an interface standard for regulator modules?
2018-07-28T23:22:28 < Adluc> basically yes, but SMD
2018-07-28T23:22:55 < zyp> what signals apart from ground, Vin and Vout are you planning to have in this interface?
2018-07-28T23:23:06 < Adluc> ideally having an option for I2C
2018-07-28T23:23:36 < zyp> how many different regulators are you planning to make for this interface?
2018-07-28T23:23:44 < Adluc> 4
2018-07-28T23:24:17 < zyp> got a list?
2018-07-28T23:24:46 < Thorn> Adluc: are they going to be completely different from each other? can't you do a universal circuit on your pcb and populate only what's needed?
2018-07-28T23:26:39 < Cracki> ^
2018-07-28T23:26:55 < Cracki> population options, with some solder bridges if needed
2018-07-28T23:27:58 < catphish> vampi-the-frog: it's a film capacitor
2018-07-28T23:28:14 < vampi-the-frog> really
2018-07-28T23:28:16 < vampi-the-frog> what film?
2018-07-28T23:28:24 < vampi-the-frog> I like Casablanca
2018-07-28T23:29:04  * catphish slaps vampi-the-frog with a 80uF 700v general purpose film cap
2018-07-28T23:29:16 < vampi-the-frog> woop woop woop
2018-07-28T23:29:22 < Adluc> LTC3109 (TEG harvester), BQ25504 (solar charger), TPS62125 (LiPo with lockout), some step-up for single cell
2018-07-28T23:30:13 < Adluc> Thorn: will think about, but it quite complicates it
2018-07-28T23:30:13 < Cracki> it's called "womp", dear frog
2018-07-28T23:30:25 < Steffanx> Looks like that sdg2042 is what ill go for Thorn. Ty
2018-07-28T23:31:54 < Steffanx> Dont we all want a function gen with telnet :)
2018-07-28T23:31:59 < vampi-the-frog> Certainly, nyuk nyuk
2018-07-28T23:34:40 < invzim> Steffanx: got it on my desk, happy with it
2018-07-28T23:35:13 < invzim> except I had to repair the button backlight stuff, odd error
2018-07-28T23:36:36 < zyp> Adluc, I imagine that trying to define an interface to cover all cases, you'll either find you missed to include some signals or you included a bunch of extra signals that's irrelevant for most cases but still requires area
2018-07-28T23:36:40 < zyp> or both :)
2018-07-28T23:39:02 < Adluc> I still think this will simplify design with small batches of prototypes, will not be solution to everything
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2018-07-28T23:39:16 < Adluc> if any of you come up with an idea :D let me know
2018-07-28T23:39:26 < Steffanx> invzim: hacked to go to 120MHz?
2018-07-28T23:39:46 < zyp> my idea: if you wanna use a SMPS module, just grab one off the shelf
2018-07-28T23:40:17 < invzim> yup, was easy enough - just telnet into the device and delete an xml file iirc
2018-07-28T23:40:35 < invzim> be aware you can't do square at 120mhz tho
2018-07-28T23:41:43 < invzim> 25MHz max for square, at least without doing any trickery
2018-07-28T23:41:53 < invzim> haven't played around with the arb stuff
2018-07-28T23:49:23 < Steffanx> Yeah i know invzim 
2018-07-28T23:51:05 < invzim> if you're on a shopping-spree, I can recommend the SDM3055 too
2018-07-28T23:51:29 < invzim> much prefer to have a meter on my desk at all times instead of fiddling with hand-held ones
2018-07-28T23:54:25 < Steffanx> Heh, invzim. Dont make me buy more stuff
2018-07-28T23:56:16 < Cracki> "bill the customer"
2018-07-28T23:56:38 < invzim> it's not like it's an never-ending thing, I got some 'good stuff' and I'm pretty sure it will save me money in the long run compared to buying crap
2018-07-28T23:57:01 < Steffanx> Siglent is still kinda in the crap range
2018-07-28T23:57:22 < invzim> I'm talking ali/bang-good crap level :)
2018-07-28T23:57:29 < Steffanx> Hah, zhe german spirit, Cracki 
2018-07-28T23:57:59 < Cracki> >german spirit
2018-07-28T23:58:02 < Cracki> just you wait
2018-07-28T23:58:16 < zyp> speaking of german spirit, how come water is so fucking expensive in restaurants?
2018-07-28T23:58:23 < Cracki> because they can
2018-07-28T23:58:28 < Cracki> ask for a bowl for your dog
2018-07-28T23:58:33 < Cracki> that'll be tap
2018-07-28T23:58:36 < Steffanx> Cant you ask for tap water?
2018-07-28T23:58:45 < Steffanx> Here thats supposed to be free.
2018-07-28T23:58:55 < Cracki> not sure if they'll bill you insanely for tap... they won't if it's 'for the dog"
2018-07-28T23:59:09 < Steffanx> I believe theyre not allowed to ask money foe it here
2018-07-28T23:59:12 < zyp> in norway, still water is available for free anywhere
2018-07-28T23:59:19 < Cracki> fascinating
--- Day changed Sun Jul 29 2018
2018-07-29T00:00:06 < Cracki> when you order "water", it's fancy "brand" shit
2018-07-29T00:00:09 < zyp> does germany have shit tap water or something?
2018-07-29T00:00:22 < Cracki> and prolly delivered in tiny bottles
2018-07-29T00:00:29 < Cracki> no, germany has good tap actually
2018-07-29T00:00:46 < zyp> how come that's not the default then?
2018-07-29T00:00:46 < Cracki> and sure you can ask for a glass of tap water. but I have no idea what they'd ask for that.
2018-07-29T00:01:01 < Cracki> not the default because people don't understand.
2018-07-29T00:01:09 < Cracki> everyone uses tap water for coffee and tea
2018-07-29T00:01:17 < Steffanx> Just ask for an empty glass and ask where you can find the toilet.
2018-07-29T00:01:25 < Cracki> ^
2018-07-29T00:01:27 < zyp> haha
2018-07-29T00:01:47 < Cracki> ask for a *bottle* of soda
2018-07-29T00:01:52 < Cracki> they'll rob you
2018-07-29T00:02:22 < zyp> went to .nl and .be today
2018-07-29T00:02:42 < Cracki> brand lemonade is like 60-90/liter in grocery stores. you pay 10x that in restaurants
2018-07-29T00:02:46 < Cracki> (cents)
2018-07-29T00:02:55 < zyp> not much of a border between them
2018-07-29T00:03:06 < catphish> here anywhere that sells alcohol also has to provide free water
2018-07-29T00:03:10 < Cracki> you'll notice the road paint looks diff
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2018-07-29T00:03:57 < Steffanx> Where is here catphish ?
2018-07-29T00:03:58 < Cracki> "not much" is an overstatement. in most places, you don't see shit for a border.
2018-07-29T00:04:03 < catphish> Steffanx: UK
2018-07-29T00:04:26 < catphish> plus tap water is free and safe, would be a bit of a dick move not to give someone water if they ask
2018-07-29T00:04:31 < zyp> went to .nl through the border between Aachen and Vaals, would have missed it completely hadn't it been for the sole lonely sign and the popup in my car
2018-07-29T00:05:26 < Steffanx> You didnt stop at our famous 3 country border point?
2018-07-29T00:06:16 < catphish> i like .nl and .be, keep meaning to go back with my wife
2018-07-29T00:06:30 < catphish> should probably get on with that before i'm no longer welcome :)
2018-07-29T00:07:29 < Steffanx> You are no longer welcome.
2018-07-29T00:16:17 < catphish> :(
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2018-07-29T00:24:14 < zyp> Steffanx, that's what we went for
2018-07-29T00:24:29 < zyp> Steffanx, so now I've been to the tallest point in .nl and all
2018-07-29T00:24:39 < Steffanx> :)
2018-07-29T00:24:47 < zyp> and then I went to .be and bought some beer
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2018-07-29T00:25:55 < Steffanx> Heh. Beer.
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2018-07-29T00:26:09 < Steffanx> No belgian waffles?
2018-07-29T00:27:10 < zyp> nah, did that last year
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2018-07-29T00:44:42 < Thorn> so this guy says go for silicone heater and an aluminium bed surface https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eure74A9HNc
2018-07-29T00:45:09 < Thorn> but I can't find any alu bed surfaces on aliexpress, only bed support
2018-07-29T00:45:49 < Thorn> such as https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DuoWeiSi-3D-Printer-Parts-Anodized-Aluminum-Heated-Bed-Buld-Plate-For-3D-Printer-RepRap-Prusa/32823550526.html
2018-07-29T01:05:58 < Cracki> sheet of aluminium, buy locally?
2018-07-29T01:07:15 < Thorn> not anodized?
2018-07-29T01:08:06 < Cracki> do you want them anodized or not? either can be bought
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2018-07-29T01:10:09 < Cracki> since my irc client has a dictionary and undersquiggles some words... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium#Etymology
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2018-07-29T01:13:59 < vampi-the-frog> Aluminium
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2018-07-29T02:11:12 < capacitor> muh
2018-07-29T02:15:36 < Cracki> muhminum
2018-07-29T02:27:49 < Thorn> ok so aluminium basically means beer metal
2018-07-29T02:28:06 < BrainDamage> here beer cans are steel
2018-07-29T02:28:12 < BrainDamage> while other cans are al
2018-07-29T02:28:14 < englishman> ive tried a bunch of shit
2018-07-29T02:28:17 < englishman> and they all have flaws
2018-07-29T02:28:23 < englishman> feel free to repeat
2018-07-29T02:32:05 < Thorn> 400^3mm printer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnKeVHEdYzc
2018-07-29T02:39:09 < Cracki> nuclear-powered, going by the narrator's voice
2018-07-29T02:41:59 < Thorn> why lol
2018-07-29T02:44:01 < Cracki> nice clean build
2018-07-29T02:44:08 < Cracki> oh the nuclear stuff? because russian
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2018-07-29T02:45:57 < Thorn> btw he seems to be using the same wheels that I ordered
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2018-07-29T02:50:20 < Cracki> I always wonder how fast printers can print...
2018-07-29T02:50:42 < Cracki> with such a huge build volume, you'd want it to, or you'll wait forever for your huge prints
2018-07-29T02:50:46 < Thorn> this one looks quite slow
2018-07-29T02:51:15 < Cracki> i want hobbyists to get into sintering and inkjet
2018-07-29T02:51:36 < Cracki> perhaps that's too dirty, plastic powder and all
2018-07-29T02:52:23 < Cracki> UV resin lithography not as much, also has more potential for speed
2018-07-29T02:52:37 < Thorn> consumables need to be cheap
2018-07-29T02:52:41 < Thorn> for hobby
2018-07-29T02:52:52 < Cracki> per weight, uv resin isn't much more expensive
2018-07-29T02:53:24 < BrainDamage> considering they usually use projectors for stereolitography, it has to be visible curing
2018-07-29T02:53:36 < Cracki> random url https://all3dp.com/1/best-resin-dlp-sla-3d-printer-kit-stereolithography/
2018-07-29T02:53:42 < Cracki> no doesn't
2018-07-29T02:53:50 < Cracki> micromirror arrays
2018-07-29T02:54:23 < BrainDamage> you could also steer a lazor head
2018-07-29T02:54:39 < Cracki> not as fast as exposing a whole slice at once
2018-07-29T02:54:54 < Cracki> but yes, those exist and they have no inertia like FDM printers have
2018-07-29T02:55:23 < Cracki> with enough laser power, you can move the beam quite rapidly and only the galvanometers driving the mirrors have to maintain track
2018-07-29T02:55:33 < Thorn> what kind of laser power is required
2018-07-29T02:56:04 < englishman> not much! this guy is selling a $100 printer!!! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/117421627/the-peachy-printer-the-first-100-3d-printer-and-sc
2018-07-29T02:56:27 < Cracki> I'd go with a projector-based one though, because then you can also use oxygen-permeable glass in the vat, which prevents the resin from polymerizing right at the glass surface... so you can print continuously, without having to "pull off" the print
2018-07-29T02:56:35 < capacitor> kick
2018-07-29T02:56:36 < capacitor> start
2018-07-29T02:56:38 < capacitor> muhhhhh
2018-07-29T02:56:58 < Cracki> scam maybe
2018-07-29T02:57:03 < capacitor> just for ONE HUNDRED CUCKS
2018-07-29T02:57:13 < capacitor> what could ppppossibly go wrong? (tm)
2018-07-29T02:57:51 < capacitor> greeting englishman and cat
2018-07-29T02:57:55 < capacitor> sss
2018-07-29T02:58:13 < Cracki> meow
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2018-07-29T02:58:34 < Laurenceb__> muh gui
2018-07-29T02:58:42 < Cracki> he seems to fill the volume with resin...
2018-07-29T02:58:42 < Laurenceb__> >gui is finally ready and meets all the specs
2018-07-29T02:58:51 < Laurenceb__> >reee we dont want a gui
2018-07-29T02:58:55 < capacitor> good morning doctor
2018-07-29T02:58:59 < Laurenceb__> >we want database and webshite
2018-07-29T02:59:11 < Laurenceb__> muh IOT, muh javascript, muh telegraph
2018-07-29T02:59:21 < capacitor> ah yes the constant flipflop of professional life
2018-07-29T02:59:22 < Laurenceb__> hello eestor capacitor
2018-07-29T02:59:32 < capacitor> NOW EQUIPPED ON ZENN CARS
2018-07-29T02:59:36 < capacitor> lololololol
2018-07-29T02:59:40 < capacitor> eestor.
2018-07-29T02:59:54 < englishman> capacitor: would you like this for your birthday http://www.barmahhats.com.au/index.php?route=product/product&path=79&product_id=84
2018-07-29T02:59:55 < capacitor> it was about 11 years ago.... 
2018-07-29T03:00:33 < capacitor> it was on the news this mroring
2018-07-29T03:00:41 < capacitor> oh yeah lockheed martin are in, it's real!
2018-07-29T03:00:47 < capacitor> 11 years later....
2018-07-29T03:00:52 < capacitor> muhestor
2018-07-29T03:01:26 < capacitor> englishman: page won't load this 4g modem is fucking niggering my shit up
2018-07-29T03:01:32 < capacitor> i'll look later
2018-07-29T03:01:56 < capacitor> i'd buy you a greydong for gift but you have on~
2018-07-29T03:01:58 < capacitor> *one
2018-07-29T03:03:06 < englishman> could always use another
2018-07-29T03:03:20 < capacitor> this is very true
2018-07-29T03:26:45 < Thorn> is this for real https://rigid.ink/products/petg-1-75-mm-0-03-mm-tolerance-filament?variant=7814574017
2018-07-29T03:26:49 < Thorn> £37.96/kg
2018-07-29T03:27:58 < Thorn> 3.9x more than what I paid for PETG
2018-07-29T03:30:53 < Laurenceb__> intolerant filament
2018-07-29T03:30:59 < Laurenceb__> sounds highly problematic
2018-07-29T03:31:22 < Cracki> paradoxical
2018-07-29T03:32:33 < Cracki> >We guarantee 100% reliability. Every. Single. Time.
2018-07-29T03:32:46 < Cracki> they haven't heard of "nines" or SLAs
2018-07-29T03:35:39 < Lux> englishman: heh https://youtu.be/_Wy3zA3LxG4?t=46s
2018-07-29T03:36:12 < Lux> used kickstarter money to build his house ^^
2018-07-29T03:36:25 < Lux> regarding that peachy printer
2018-07-29T03:37:22 < Cracki> lol
2018-07-29T03:38:52 < Cracki> these people need to be locked up
2018-07-29T03:39:06 < Cracki> wait no, that costs the taxpayer money.
2018-07-29T03:39:15 < Cracki> make a kickstarter for their decapitation
2018-07-29T03:50:31 < Thorn> why are there different filament diameters (1.75 and 2.85 mm)
2018-07-29T03:50:59 < Thorn> is 2.85mm for high speed printing or something?
2018-07-29T03:54:30 < Laurenceb__> my sides https://imgoat.com/uploads/b8619251a1/129304.jpg
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2018-07-29T04:43:03 < Lux> Thorn: historical reasons I guess
2018-07-29T04:43:27 < Lux> actually you should be able to print 1.75mm faster as it has a higher surface to volume ratio
2018-07-29T04:43:37 < Lux> i.e. it'll melt faster
2018-07-29T04:59:52 < englishman> Lux: yeah another dickstarter success
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2018-07-29T05:48:46 < upgrdman> i've only read the first chapter, but im super happy with A Tour of C++ 2nd Edition. would recommend if anyone is looking for a book on cpp AND already knows how to program.
2018-07-29T05:49:13 < upgrdman> damn, i have not been this satisfied with a book purchase in years
2018-07-29T06:05:49 < Cracki> Thorn, 2.85 is just something people tried to get more filament through, but it sucks generally. some hotends for 2.85 have trouble melting the filament fast enough for a certain volume per time
2018-07-29T06:06:05 < Cracki> 1.75 works better in that regard, less volume per surface
2018-07-29T06:06:19 < Cracki> uh, someone said it :S
2018-07-29T06:19:34 < Thorn> okay thanks
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2018-07-29T09:10:20 < Thorn> You cannot use 1.75mm filament in a 3mm hotend. Please stop asking. If you think you might be able to use 3mm filament in a 1.75mm hotend you shouldn’t be modifying or building a 3D Printer. Put the screwdriver down. ​
2018-07-29T09:48:38 < PaulFertser> I used ~1.3mm nylon in a 1.75mm hotend, no issues noticed.
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2018-07-29T09:49:43 < PaulFertser> So I would expect 1.75mm PLA (or other rigid filaments) to kinda work with a 3mm hotend.
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2018-07-29T10:01:20 < Thorn> https://wiki.e3d-online.com/images/b/b5/V6-175-SINK.pdf https://wiki.e3d-online.com/images/9/9b/V6-300-SINK-D.pdf
2018-07-29T10:02:24 < Thorn> the channel is 3.2mm in the 3mm heatsink and 4.2mm in the 1.75mm, why
2018-07-29T10:12:35 < zyp> because the 1.75mm one has a PTFE liner running through
2018-07-29T10:14:09 < Thorn> and no mention in the drawings, nice
2018-07-29T10:18:47 < Steffanx> Did zyp have plans to visit amsterdam?
2018-07-29T10:19:01 < zyp> yes, driving there today, staying two nights
2018-07-29T10:19:23 < Steffanx> You have to know ite pretty busy there because 
2018-07-29T10:19:25 < Steffanx> https://pride.amsterdam
2018-07-29T10:19:40 < Steffanx> Or is that the reason you go there? :P
2018-07-29T10:19:58 < zyp> oh, haha
2018-07-29T10:20:05 < zyp> hadn't checked that
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2018-07-29T10:31:20 < Steffanx> Idk how busy it really is, but youll see. You can always get a purple viking suite and join them :)
2018-07-29T10:33:50 < zyp> probably not going to be a problem
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2018-07-29T10:51:40 < englishman> where the selfies at
2018-07-29T10:53:19 < PaulFertser> Some real life experience using 1.75mm with 3mm hotend: https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,300165,302144#msg-302144 . So it sometimes kinda works but one shouldn't expect any consistent results from that.
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2018-07-29T11:09:08 < Thorn> between china clone hotend / extruder, bowden tube, unknown quality filament, etc.  there're too many variables to also try to use wrong hotend lol
2018-07-29T11:09:38 < zyp> haha
2018-07-29T11:10:09 < Thorn> innovation: filament without spools to save cost https://greg-3d.ru/Expendables.Filament.php
2018-07-29T11:10:19 < Thorn> also lol @ >expendables in the url
2018-07-29T11:10:57 < zyp> spool-less filament is done by some other vendors too
2018-07-29T11:11:36 < zyp> ref. masterspool and stuff
2018-07-29T11:42:38 < Jak_o_Shadows> I had such trouble with PLA until i got a PTFE lined bit
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2018-07-29T11:54:46 < lomas> Hi... not able to use USART2 in STM32F0 Nucleo board. Found that it is linked with ST-LINK COM port... even though things are not working. Love to get some suggestions. 
2018-07-29T11:55:41 < Thorn> are you using correct pins (the ones connected to the st-link)?
2018-07-29T11:56:20 < PaulFertser> Spool-less is kinda risky due to higher risk of overlaps, or so I've heard.
2018-07-29T11:57:34 < lomas> Are there pins to configure on the board ? 
2018-07-29T11:57:59 < lomas> for channeling UART2 to the ST-LINK COM port ? 
2018-07-29T11:59:08 < lomas> in the manual it is said that " By default the USART2 communication
2018-07-29T11:59:08 < lomas> between the target STM32 and ST-LINK MCU is enabled,"
2018-07-29T11:59:46 < Thorn> does it also say which stm32 pins you're supposed to use?
2018-07-29T11:59:57 < Jak_o_Shadows> Maybe the st-link needs updating?
2018-07-29T12:00:00 < Jak_o_Shadows> From v2 to v2-1?
2018-07-29T12:00:35 < Thorn> a nucleo should already have v2.1 I guess
2018-07-29T12:00:47 < lomas> I see..
2018-07-29T12:01:08 < Thorn> (they are pa2/pa3 on all nucleo boards afaik)
2018-07-29T12:01:21 < lomas> Yes.. They are PA2 and PA3
2018-07-29T12:03:08 < antto> https://i.imgur.com/0wRT4aR.jpg
2018-07-29T12:03:31 < Thorn> so are PA2 and PA3 configured for USART (alternate function)?
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2018-07-29T12:03:43 < lomas> Yes... 
2018-07-29T12:04:02 < lomas> I just got it working some time.. but again not working some time.. 
2018-07-29T12:04:19 < lomas> Seems some problem in soldering 
2018-07-29T12:04:26 < lomas> or something like that... 
2018-07-29T12:04:52 < Thorn> or you introduced an error in your firmware and it's now crashing
2018-07-29T12:05:12 < lomas> I see... that may also be the case.. 
2018-07-29T12:05:36 < capacitor> The Post Apocalyptic Retard
2018-07-29T12:20:18 < lomas> That issue disappeared... Could not get what happened. Anyway thanks Thorn and Jak_o_Shadows :) 
2018-07-29T12:21:08 < catphish> so after getting finaly FOC working yesterday, i have abandoned it in favour of a much simpler algorithm that seems to work better :)
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2018-07-29T14:44:59 < Adluc> http://www.powerstamp.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Generic-level-PSA-Main-Stamp-spec-v1-12-2018-3-07.pdf
2018-07-29T14:45:24 < Adluc> Cracki: zyp: ^
2018-07-29T14:45:30 < Adluc> looks like some attempts were made already
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2018-07-29T14:55:30 < Steffanx> looks awfuk
2018-07-29T14:57:22 < Steffanx> l
2018-07-29T15:05:16 < capacitor> m
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2018-07-29T17:52:57 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/ruRRxQc.jpg
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2018-07-29T18:04:28 < Steffanx> Only in yankeeland upgrdman
2018-07-29T18:04:59 < upgrdman> Steffanx, so amazon delay my bike seat order, then emailed me to say they cant fill the order and canceled it :/
2018-07-29T18:05:11 < Steffanx> hehe great job amazon.
2018-07-29T18:05:13 < upgrdman> maybe i'll spend more on the real one instead of the clone
2018-07-29T18:05:35 < Steffanx> what is "more"? 50%?
2018-07-29T18:06:41 < upgrdman> chinaclone = $8-15, legit = $40-120
2018-07-29T18:06:48 < upgrdman> might buy the $40 one
2018-07-29T18:08:58 < Steffanx> dont they have a store where you can try some seats? :)
2018-07-29T18:09:19 < BrainDamage> doing physical activity is not american
2018-07-29T18:09:28 < BrainDamage> not even when the item bought is to do physical activity
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2018-07-29T18:12:26 < englishman> Preventing IoT-Based Domestic Violence, Abuse and Stalking
2018-07-29T18:12:27 < englishman> IoT Tools of Abuse and Control
2018-07-29T18:12:27 < upgrdman> Steffanx, yes but i have not see any "hollow" seats in stores :/
2018-07-29T18:12:35 < englishman> internet of wifebeating
2018-07-29T18:13:15 < englishman> yeah for some reason i thought upgrdman was super fat
2018-07-29T18:13:21 < englishman> maybe im thinking of branjb 
2018-07-29T18:13:35 < englishman> or i just assume this for all americans
2018-07-29T18:13:59 < BrainDamage> hollow seats are sold in sport stores here
2018-07-29T18:14:36 < upgrdman> englishman, i used to be. not so much now.
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2018-07-29T18:15:15 < BrainDamage> what's your fat % ?
2018-07-29T18:16:16 < upgrdman> dunno.
2018-07-29T18:16:16 < englishman> cool upgrdman 
2018-07-29T18:16:33 < englishman> losing that RC store worker belly
2018-07-29T18:17:03 < upgrdman> haha, had nothing to do with rc. food just tastes good, so why only eat when youre truly hungry
2018-07-29T18:20:21 < BrainDamage> get a liposuction and use the fat as RC fuel
2018-07-29T18:21:02 < upgrdman> the only rc stuff i still have are some 450-size electric cp helis
2018-07-29T18:21:12 < upgrdman> sold all my nitro and gasoline stuff :/
2018-07-29T18:21:33 < upgrdman> well not :/, more like :) since the half life of an RC design is like 6 months. good luck finding parts.
2018-07-29T18:21:46 < englishman> yes
2018-07-29T18:21:51 < englishman> gas is dumb
2018-07-29T18:22:26 < upgrdman> i had a gas 1/5 truck. super fun, but it got discontinued so i sold it before parts ran out
2018-07-29T18:23:01 < englishman> https://traxxas.com/products/landing/x-maxx/
2018-07-29T18:23:05 < englishman> i would like to fpv this
2018-07-29T18:23:11 < englishman> the e-maxx was big, this is bigger
2018-07-29T18:23:30 < englishman> but, havent fpv'd in some years now
2018-07-29T18:23:38 < Cracki> Adluc, interesting, this powerstamp
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2018-07-29T18:34:39 < Cracki> uh... spoolless filament is supposed to be put on a spool when you use it (two halves so you don't have to wind it). keeps it orderly.
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2018-07-29T19:38:51 < Steffanx> where is the kakimir?
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2018-07-29T19:49:16 < sync> he melted
2018-07-29T19:51:09 < Steffanx> !wz kaki
2018-07-29T19:51:11 < englishbot> [Kaki Barama, Niger] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 34°C but feels like 38°C. SW wind: 11 kph.
2018-07-29T19:52:49 < invzim> !wz anambra
2018-07-29T19:52:50 < englishbot> [Anambra, Nigeria] Overcast. Temp is 24°C. Humidity: 85%.
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2018-07-29T20:02:41 < Laurenceb__> >u are talking to NIGERians
2018-07-29T20:02:50 < Laurenceb__> sounds about right
2018-07-29T20:03:09 < Laurenceb__> still better than GERMans
2018-07-29T20:06:44 < invzim> he, I have 17 products in stock and it feels like I'm making the order infrastructure for a 1000 :)
2018-07-29T20:07:12 < invzim> 1 product, 17 untis
2018-07-29T20:07:34 < invzim> think I made a mistake by 'upgrading' my paypal to business
2018-07-29T20:07:54 < Laurenceb__> >funding has been awarded to develop a new evidence-based system that reduces excessive vibration and noise that sick babies are exposed to
2018-07-29T20:08:03 < Laurenceb__> >evidence-based
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2018-07-29T20:10:07 < Laurenceb__> a gui, a fucking gui
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2018-07-29T20:14:16 < sync> kek
2018-07-29T20:19:21 < Steffanx> Does that mean you get can a course, buy a book, or a colleague that knows what he is doing Laurenceb__? :)
2018-07-29T20:19:29 < Steffanx> or she.
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2018-07-29T20:22:37 < Thorn> I have a feeling I could finish it a year ago
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2018-07-29T20:48:38 < englishman> just stop shaking babbies
2018-07-29T20:48:42 < englishman> just stop
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2018-07-29T20:53:13 < Laurenceb__> shake ur mom
2018-07-29T20:55:28 < Steffanx> how much of a self invented problem is this actually, Laurenceb__?
2018-07-29T20:57:30 < Laurenceb__> >implying its a problem
2018-07-29T20:57:38 < Laurenceb__> >and not a way to milk grant money
2018-07-29T20:57:47 < Steffanx> Yes, that.
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2018-07-29T21:47:48 < jadew> is there a channel for 3d modeling?
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2018-07-29T21:48:15 < jadew> I can't get a rotate pattern to work properly, it skips a hole
2018-07-29T21:48:24 < jadew> (in fusion)
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2018-07-29T21:50:01 < jadew> now that I think about it, I know why, but I don't know why the reason exists in the first place
2018-07-29T21:50:15 < jadew> seems my symmetrical stuff isn't symmetrical after all
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2018-07-29T22:07:34 < Adluc> jadew: there is a dropdown menu with options like "identical", etc., in some cases it helped to force complete regeneration
2018-07-29T22:09:08 < jadew> thanks, it was a symmetry issue, it was colliding with another feature, even tho on the other side it wasn't (had two mirrored features
2018-07-29T22:09:09 < jadew> )
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2018-07-29T22:28:49 < capacitor> The dogs
2018-07-29T22:29:20 < vampi-the-frog> the cow
2018-07-29T22:29:22 < vampi-the-frog> the cow
2018-07-29T22:29:23 < vampi-the-frog> the cow
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2018-07-29T22:49:04 < Rickta59> if you go opensource there is #blender jadew 
2018-07-29T22:51:07 < Thorn> opensource would mean something like ##freecad
2018-07-29T22:51:29 < Thorn> blender is for CGI / animation / etc.
2018-07-29T22:54:14 < jadew> I'm making an enclosure
2018-07-29T22:57:23 < jadew> nope, a fan enclosure for my kid
2018-07-29T22:58:16 < jadew> got him a PC fan and he wants it enclosed (made one for myself too, as a smoke extractor)
2018-07-29T22:58:49 < vampi-the-frog> how about that cow
2018-07-29T23:02:11 < vampi-the-frog> nah blender is fine
2018-07-29T23:02:52 < jadew> is blender parametric?
2018-07-29T23:03:06 < vampi-the-frog> what
2018-07-29T23:03:21 < jadew> night
2018-07-29T23:03:25 < Steffanx> sleep tight superbia1
2018-07-29T23:03:31 < jadew> vampi-the-frog, can you have variables?
2018-07-29T23:03:47 < vampi-the-frog> nah
2018-07-29T23:03:54 < vampi-the-frog> don't know it though
2018-07-29T23:04:10 < Thorn> it's not solid and it doesn't have a constraint solver
2018-07-29T23:04:20 < Thorn> artists and game designers don't need that
2018-07-29T23:04:54 < jadew> ah
2018-07-29T23:05:09 < jadew> fusion seems great, hope it stays free
2018-07-29T23:05:20 < Thorn> >autodesk
2018-07-29T23:05:35 < Thorn> they killed Maya PLE (personal learning edition) when they acquired it
2018-07-29T23:08:44 < capacitor> Cancer
2018-07-29T23:08:55 < Steffanx> Try to behave capacitor
2018-07-29T23:09:07 < vampi-the-frog> the cow
2018-07-29T23:09:10 < Steffanx> you have ##electronics for that.
2018-07-29T23:09:15 < capacitor> autodesk?
2018-07-29T23:09:24 < capacitor> Enough to make one sick
2018-07-29T23:09:38 < vampi-the-frog> yeah but what about the cow
2018-07-29T23:09:49 < capacitor> milk
2018-07-29T23:09:53 < vampi-the-frog> no the cow
2018-07-29T23:09:55 < vampi-the-frog> the cow
2018-07-29T23:09:57 < vampi-the-frog> the cow
2018-07-29T23:10:05 < Steffanx> zhe cow.
2018-07-29T23:10:07 < capacitor> sky
2018-07-29T23:10:12 < vampi-the-frog> don't have a cow man
2018-07-29T23:13:57 < qyx> jadew: there was a js-cad or something like that
2018-07-29T23:14:12 < qyx> js = javascript
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2018-07-29T23:16:14 < jadew> qyx, don't know it, I've used openscad before
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2018-07-29T23:24:14 < jadew> http://86.121.143.154/stuff/fan_enclosure.png
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2018-07-29T23:27:29 < englishman> lunix isnt connecting to wifi
2018-07-29T23:27:33 < englishman> fucking opensores garbage
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2018-07-29T23:30:38 < Steffanx> The lunix based accept point fails uh?
2018-07-29T23:30:44 < Steffanx> Access*
2018-07-29T23:30:54 < vampi-the-frog> awful jadew 
2018-07-29T23:31:12 < jadew> how would you do it?
2018-07-29T23:34:08 < vampi-the-frog> better
2018-07-29T23:42:56 < capacitor> The lunix solution
2018-07-29T23:43:37 < vampi-the-frog> that's a stupid question, I don't know what you're making
2018-07-29T23:44:26 < Steffanx> So how can it be awful then?
2018-07-29T23:44:35 < Steffanx> Lol you vampi-the-frog :P
2018-07-29T23:44:46 < vampi-the-frog> it looks awful
2018-07-29T23:46:30 < jadew> it's a fume extractor
2018-07-29T23:46:49 < jadew> at least that's what the base idea was
2018-07-29T23:47:21 < jadew> on it's side when the PCB is directly on the mat, or straight up when it's suspended on a PCB support
2018-07-29T23:47:55 < jadew> also, the small chamber on the side is for some lithium pack so it can be run off of that too
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2018-07-29T23:51:12 < capacitor> looks like some kind of nuclear bomb to me
2018-07-29T23:52:09 < Laurenceb__> inset Thomes the Tank engine here
2018-07-29T23:52:40 < vampi-the-frog> jadew: here is some REAL MAN's design https://poducuvechituri.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/dscf0331.jpg
2018-07-29T23:53:07 < jadew> that one has a button too
2018-07-29T23:53:09 < jadew> (mine)
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2018-07-29T23:53:26 < vampi-the-frog> obviously needs more
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2018-07-29T23:55:30 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dAzLSU3fSI
2018-07-29T23:55:43 < capacitor> wb blaxtr
2018-07-29T23:55:59 < vampi-the-frog> I will convert to Teslam and go to the Elon Mosque
2018-07-29T23:56:43 < capacitor> isn't elon musk bouncing around a padded cell
2018-07-29T23:57:14 < vampi-the-frog> hey man he can do whatever he wants
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2018-07-29T23:57:20 < vampi-the-frog> don't have a cow, man
2018-07-29T23:57:29 < capacitor> the paedophiler
2018-07-29T23:57:30 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahvDXPW5rGw
2018-07-29T23:57:34 < Laurenceb__> better quality
2018-07-29T23:57:54 < capacitor> what are these mr /b/
2018-07-29T23:57:54 < capacitor> sfw?
2018-07-29T23:58:04 < capacitor> or nigel farage fanfction
2018-07-29T23:58:50 < Laurenceb__> sfw from /b/
2018-07-29T23:59:09 < Laurenceb__> for some reason Thomas the tank engine is a now a chan meme
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2018-07-30T00:00:51 < vampi-the-frog> I love Thomas the Tank Engine
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2018-07-30T00:01:08 < Laurenceb__> nazi
2018-07-30T00:01:28 < vampi-the-frog> I think Gordon is my second favorite
2018-07-30T00:01:32 < vampi-the-frog> he's a bit stiff but respectable
2018-07-30T00:01:37 < Laurenceb__> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi9xq6umsXcAhXBDcAKHcSOCqIQFjABegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F2017%2F12%2F22%2Fhealth%2Fthomas-tank-engine-paw-patrol-fascist-cartoon-strauss%2Findex.html&usg=AOvVaw2Z9WFdmL4h3oiq8LkpYTag
2018-07-30T00:02:14 < Laurenceb__> > Thomas is anti-Semitic and Sodor is a fascist paradise
2018-07-30T00:02:18 < antto> did you just post a link to a google search result?
2018-07-30T00:02:37 < vampi-the-frog> there's a video describing how Thomas was created
2018-07-30T00:02:50 < vampi-the-frog> basically the result of a biomechanical experiment gone horribly wrong
2018-07-30T00:03:06 < capacitor> ofc
2018-07-30T00:03:45 < capacitor> thomas the tank engine was the first kickstarter ever
2018-07-30T00:04:00 < Laurenceb__> https://www.jobs.ac.uk/job/BKQ744/phd-studentship-identity-transformations-exploring-single-older-womens-adjustments-to-physical-aging-through-participation-in-physical-activity/
2018-07-30T00:04:04 < Laurenceb__> PhD in milf
2018-07-30T00:04:36 < capacitor> i see
2018-07-30T00:05:18 < capacitor> did jimmy savile ever star in thomas the tank engine?
2018-07-30T00:05:24 < antto> u search for MILF, ur finding them
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2018-07-30T00:10:41 < antto> i guess Laurenceb__ has already seen all "normal" stuff, so he looks for the un-normal now
2018-07-30T00:12:31 < Steffanx> No. Laurenceb__ has never been normal
2018-07-30T00:12:44 < capacitor> Welcome
2018-07-30T00:13:12 < Steffanx> But it was you get when your dad leaves you for a thai whore and your aunt is a cam model/porn star
2018-07-30T00:13:22 < antto> when i've seen him before i knew about teh eggzistance of this channel, he seemed normal to me
2018-07-30T00:13:45 < Steffanx> But hes schizofrenic. 
2018-07-30T00:14:03 < antto> that could eggsplain it
2018-07-30T00:14:20 < antto> shouldn't he change his nickname to indicate wtf's going on then?
2018-07-30T00:14:22 < Steffanx> He can indeed act like a normal guy, like in #highaltitude
2018-07-30T00:14:31 < Thorn> but in the UK you need a lolcense to watch normal stuff and non-normal stuff is flat out banned
2018-07-30T00:14:53 < capacitor> Got yer loicence
2018-07-30T00:15:16 < jadew> Laurenceb__, a job like that would allow you to call your penis a MILF probe.
2018-07-30T00:16:07 < antto> i've heard that "it's not science if you're not recording the data" .. so get a camera
2018-07-30T00:16:16 < jadew> haha
2018-07-30T00:16:26 < capacitor> Recording loicence
2018-07-30T00:17:19 < jadew> you can publish it on pornhub, under women's studies
2018-07-30T00:17:43 < antto> hornpub
2018-07-30T00:18:37 < antto> "publish" ;P~
2018-07-30T00:19:21 < capacitor> Studies loicence
2018-07-30T00:25:00 < antto> hm
2018-07-30T00:25:42 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1krFt-OmI8qkSmW6PAAKV0YXXwBD5WCej/view?usp=sharing
2018-07-30T00:25:43 < antto> get a loicence for giving loicences, then u can b evrythang u want
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2018-07-30T00:36:34 < zyp> Steffanx, bunch of pride flags/posters all over, but apart from that I haven't really seen anything so far
2018-07-30T00:38:07 < zyp> and it's nice to be in a civilized country again, with EV chargers that actually works
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2018-07-30T00:38:57 < Steffanx> Hah lol, because no one uses them?
2018-07-30T00:39:16 < Steffanx> I guess the pride stuff was mainly yesterday
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2018-07-30T00:49:18 < zyp> the opposite, rather
2018-07-30T00:49:47 < zyp> first station I stopped at in .nl had both chargers in use
2018-07-30T00:50:56 < zyp> it's just that Fastned seems to do stuff right
2018-07-30T00:52:51 < capacitor> Steffanland
2018-07-30T00:52:55 < zyp> oh
2018-07-30T00:53:03 < zyp> and I had a Stroopwafel milkshake today
2018-07-30T00:53:10 < capacitor> And zypway
2018-07-30T00:53:40 < capacitor> I guess there would be dongpan
2018-07-30T00:53:54 < capacitor> capstraya
2018-07-30T00:54:35 < zyp> I drove past Dongen today
2018-07-30T00:54:57 < zyp> https://goo.gl/maps/tPmLSNfpPWK2
2018-07-30T00:55:35 < capacitor> Nice one
2018-07-30T00:56:47 < zyp> also went down to Baarle-Nassau/Baarle-Hertog
2018-07-30T00:56:57 < Steffanx> We also have a special place for capacitor: stevensbeek
2018-07-30T00:57:55 < zyp> navi-system in the car pops up a notice with the generic speed limits in the country every time I drive into a new country
2018-07-30T00:58:12 < zyp> it got pretty annoying when it popped up like five times in two minutes
2018-07-30T00:58:13 < Steffanx> Must have been nice then
2018-07-30T00:58:21 < Steffanx> Heh
2018-07-30T01:00:27 < zyp> dutch people also make more sensible intersections
2018-07-30T01:00:45 < zyp> driving in Amsterdam makes a lot more sense than driving in Düsseldorf did
2018-07-30T01:01:37 < zyp> only thing that's annoying is that the streetlights changes directly from red to green, there's no red/yellow stage in between
2018-07-30T01:03:04 < Steffanx> Yeah, i never understand why "we" do it like that
2018-07-30T01:03:10 < johntramp> hey - any tips on how to find where a hardfault is occurring ?  is it possible to get a backtrace from the hardfault isr?
2018-07-30T01:03:25 < zyp> SCB_CFSR
2018-07-30T01:03:31 < zyp> unless you're on m0
2018-07-30T01:04:41 < johntramp> thanks - m4 
2018-07-30T01:05:17 < zyp> you can get a backtrace too, but depending on the nature of the fault, it might not be very helpful
2018-07-30T01:06:21 < zyp> so I normally prefer always checking SCB_CFSR first to check which kind of fault it was
2018-07-30T01:06:31 < johntramp> it happens after sitting idle for quite some time, and i am just looking for any clue to know where to start
2018-07-30T01:11:40 < johntramp> would the PC value be relevant from a breakpoint in the exception handler?
2018-07-30T01:12:48 < zyp> again, it depends on the nature of the fault
2018-07-30T01:12:58 < zyp> what's the value of SCB_CFSR?
2018-07-30T01:13:39 < johntramp> I haven't had another fault occur yet ...
2018-07-30T01:13:57 < zyp> if you didn't get that far yet, you can do «x/wx 0xe000ed28»
2018-07-30T01:14:22 < johntramp> what is that??
2018-07-30T01:14:31 < zyp> in gdb, I mean
2018-07-30T01:14:59 < zyp> examine word as hex at address 0xe000ed28
2018-07-30T01:18:20 < Steffanx> When youre doing bare gdb you can also try the vect state script somewhere in tge zypsnips (see title)
2018-07-30T01:18:31 < Steffanx> *topic
2018-07-30T01:18:51 < zyp> that too
2018-07-30T01:19:10 < johntramp> oh good to know
2018-07-30T01:21:41 < zyp> I've yet to use that
2018-07-30T01:22:38 < zyp> I debug hardfaults so rarely that I haven't been able to justify taking the time to install the script vs just looking up the register manually each time yet
2018-07-30T01:25:36 < Steffanx> "install". Write source blblasomething and run it? :P
2018-07-30T01:26:35 < zyp> eh
2018-07-30T01:26:50 < zyp> if you're doing something, why half-ass it
2018-07-30T01:27:40 < zyp> I'd put it somewhere permanent and refer to it from ~/.gdbinit
2018-07-30T01:35:31 < Steffanx> Yeah sure, but takes more time. Was mainly referring to that
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2018-07-30T02:36:52 < capacitor> I like video games
2018-07-30T02:37:01 < capacitor> Especially the arcade classics
2018-07-30T02:37:18 < capacitor> My favourite one is Donkey Cum
2018-07-30T02:39:12 < Laurenceb__> http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/soyboy15.jpg
2018-07-30T02:39:17 < Laurenceb__> spotted capacitor
2018-07-30T02:40:32 < kakimir> such alpha yawn
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2018-07-30T02:53:06 < Laurenceb__> I'll line ur protocol
2018-07-30T03:02:38 < Laurenceb__> Faster Time to Awesome™
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2018-07-30T03:29:09 < johntramp> zyp: finally got another exception,   it is a usagefault INVSTATE
2018-07-30T03:31:09 < johntramp> "the processor has attempted to execute an instruction that makes illegal use of the Execution Program Status Register (EPSR).  When this bit is set, the PC value stacked for the exception return points to the instruction that attempted the illegal use of the EPSR
2018-07-30T03:32:29 < johntramp> how do I read the stacked PC? is that easy to get at?
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2018-07-30T03:48:00 < Laurenceb__> I have an ebil idea
2018-07-30T03:48:12 < Laurenceb__> database submission run on server using... bash
2018-07-30T03:50:45 < Laurenceb__> maybe
2018-07-30T03:50:51 < Laurenceb__> using wget or something...
2018-07-30T03:50:55 < Laurenceb__> I fail at logic
2018-07-30T03:57:29 < Laurenceb__> awk '{print "DiskTemp,component="$2" value="$1}'| \
2018-07-30T03:57:29 < Laurenceb__>         curl -i -XPOST 'http://localhost:8086/write?db=obi' --data-binary @-
2018-07-30T03:57:33 < Laurenceb__> le epin troll
2018-07-30T04:05:30 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/b8619251a1/129644.jpg
2018-07-30T04:05:38 < Laurenceb__> >wales news service  >one way
2018-07-30T04:12:41 < Laurenceb__> Q predicted this
2018-07-30T04:14:09 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/b8619251a1/129645.jpg
2018-07-30T04:15:00 < jadew> netflix needs a add to watch list feature
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2018-07-30T06:04:59 < englishman> stroopwafel.
2018-07-30T06:05:02 < englishman> milkshake.
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2018-07-30T06:26:21 < Thorn> 3d printer kitteh for englishman https://youtu.be/OZhfU_3pIVw?t=1m48s
2018-07-30T06:27:19 < englishman> interesting perspective
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2018-07-30T06:29:05 < englishman> before chicken https://i.imgur.com/4Ou82oi.jpg
2018-07-30T06:29:14 < englishman> during chicken https://i.imgur.com/wIy9hgL.jpg
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2018-07-30T09:32:07 < zyp> johntramp, if you're sporadically but rarely getting INVSTATE faults, it sounds like you might have some data corruption going on
2018-07-30T09:33:01 < zyp> e.g. running a wrong number of flash wait states
2018-07-30T09:33:27 < zyp> or possibly corrupting a function pointer in ram
2018-07-30T09:34:59 < zyp> the «stacked PC» is the function frame below the exception frame in a backtrace
2018-07-30T09:35:49 < zyp> if your gdb is sane, you could just do a backtrace there
2018-07-30T09:36:01 < jpa-> johntramp: also on STM32F4 and similar, if your cpu revision is particularly old, you might get hit by the flash accelerator errata
2018-07-30T09:36:35 < zyp> otherwise you could read the SP register to see where your stack is, and read it out manually
2018-07-30T09:37:10 < zyp> doesn't the vecstate gdb macros already do this?
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2018-07-30T10:11:11 < capacitor> gooday mate
2018-07-30T10:11:19 < capacitor> are you sporting a buckler?
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2018-07-30T11:04:54 < tcth_> wtf happened to MLCCs? did somebody just decide to buy every single unit available on the planet?!
2018-07-30T11:06:24 < emeryth> where do you think bitcoins are stored?
2018-07-30T11:07:48 < Haohmaru> are they using them to make batteries?
2018-07-30T11:10:04 < tcth_> it feel more like they are using it as gravel to build artificial off-shore islands in dubai...
2018-07-30T11:11:00 < Haohmaru> ah, "it looks sparkly, i'll buy 20 containers of this"
2018-07-30T11:11:14 < capacitor> tcth_: yes
2018-07-30T11:11:27 < capacitor> i bought 100
2018-07-30T11:14:52 < Thorn> I stockpiled several THOUSAND of them
2018-07-30T11:16:14 < capacitor> thanks
2018-07-30T11:17:03 < capacitor> apparently dave jones is livestreaming
2018-07-30T11:17:12 < capacitor> let's pull out our cocks
2018-07-30T11:22:57 < zyp> Thorn, so you bought one reel?
2018-07-30T11:23:24 < Thorn> 3 iirc
2018-07-30T11:25:37 < Steffanx> Hah tcth_ 
2018-07-30T11:25:49 < Steffanx> Welcome to the real world
2018-07-30T11:26:20 < Steffanx> Btw zyp, i still have no real clue what your plans are tomorrow..
2018-07-30T11:26:50 < Steffanx> Mainly those that would involve me.
2018-07-30T11:27:08 < Thorn> you mean the gay parade?
2018-07-30T11:27:30 < Steffanx> I have no plans to go to amsterdam Thorn 
2018-07-30T11:27:59 < zyp> Steffanx, I don't really know either
2018-07-30T11:27:59 < tcth_> Thorn, I´m not used to you saying things like that
2018-07-30T11:28:15  * tcth_ is invited to visit an assembly house tomorrow
2018-07-30T11:28:24 < tcth_> should I steal some of their MLCCs?
2018-07-30T11:30:46 < Steffanx> Going to fly to canada tcth_ ?
2018-07-30T11:31:23 < tcth_> no
2018-07-30T11:31:26 < tcth_> swiss assembly house
2018-07-30T11:31:40 < tcth_> they are ´´interested in a partnership´´ 
2018-07-30T11:32:06 < Steffanx> Aha. 
2018-07-30T11:32:22  * Steffanx gives tcth some "
2018-07-30T11:32:31 < Steffanx> Lol zyp, ok... 
2018-07-30T11:32:46  * zyp gives tcth_ some “”
2018-07-30T11:33:29 < tcth_> yeah, should fix that deadkeycrap 
2018-07-30T11:33:46 < Steffanx> No «» like a real norwegian? (Re breivik)
2018-07-30T11:33:52 < capacitor> lol
2018-07-30T11:34:02 < capacitor> great shot
2018-07-30T11:34:42 < Steffanx> Anyway, just let me know once you onow zyp. Me autism has to know.
2018-07-30T11:34:49 < Steffanx> Know*
2018-07-30T11:35:00 < capacitor> wth is this conversation 
2018-07-30T11:35:03 < zyp> Steffanx, I figured we could go eat dinner somewhere
2018-07-30T11:35:22 < Steffanx> Yes, but where and when etc. is kinda important
2018-07-30T11:35:51 < capacitor> i wonder what happened to breivik
2018-07-30T11:35:59 < capacitor> did he get his ps4?
2018-07-30T11:36:02 < zyp> capacitor, he changed his name
2018-07-30T11:36:08 < capacitor> rly?
2018-07-30T11:36:15 < zyp> he's Fjotolf Hansen now
2018-07-30T11:36:31 < Steffanx> Was about to say: to L. Blaxyer
2018-07-30T11:36:33 < Steffanx> Blaxter
2018-07-30T11:36:51 < tcth_> > <capacitor> great shot     I see what you did there.
2018-07-30T11:37:22 < capacitor> i sees nuffin
2018-07-30T11:37:23 < Thorn> why not Fridtjof Nansen
2018-07-30T11:37:25 < zyp> Steffanx, can't we just meet up and decide on a place? :p
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2018-07-30T11:37:36 < tcth_> the joke quality is unusually good. should I drop by on a Monday morning more often?
2018-07-30T11:37:49 < capacitor> ye
2018-07-30T11:37:55 < Steffanx> Yes, but place and time is still relevant.
2018-07-30T11:37:58 < tcth_> zyp, trust me, Steffanx really does the autism thing. not knowing doesn´t work well for him :p
2018-07-30T11:38:03 < zyp> haha
2018-07-30T11:38:10 < Steffanx> Lol backstabber.
2018-07-30T11:38:14 < tcth_> exactly.
2018-07-30T11:38:16 < capacitor> the pot
2018-07-30T11:38:28 < zyp> Steffanx, I have a car so I can go anywhere, what's convenient for you?
2018-07-30T11:39:10 < tcth_> but keep in mind that it´s an electric car, so you might have to stop at another restaurant to power charge 40 minutes before you can get to the restaurant where you´ll actually gonna eat
2018-07-30T11:39:16 < zyp> haha
2018-07-30T11:39:37 < tcth_> I was driving a model x from Steg to Bergamo a couple of months ago
2018-07-30T11:39:43 < tcth_> never ever will the tectu buy an electric car
2018-07-30T11:39:45 < tcth_> for fuck sake
2018-07-30T11:39:46 < tcth_> seriously
2018-07-30T11:39:53 < tcth_> the most inconvenient piece of shit ever invented
2018-07-30T11:40:04 < capacitor> tell me more
2018-07-30T11:40:17 < tcth_> we need to allocate a proper time slice to rage for that
2018-07-30T11:40:26 < capacitor> now is good
2018-07-30T11:40:38 < tcth_> my stomach does not agree
2018-07-30T11:40:46 < capacitor> i don't even think i can buy EV in australia
2018-07-30T11:41:02 < tcth_> why would you need an EV in a prison anyway?
2018-07-30T11:41:10 < capacitor> lol
2018-07-30T11:41:10 < Steffanx> Groningen city would be the nicest zyp. But you'd have to find your self a (paid) parking spot etc.
2018-07-30T11:41:24 < zyp> I found some 350kW chargers last week, I'm just looking forward to get a car that can make use of those
2018-07-30T11:41:30 < zyp> Steffanx, sure
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2018-07-30T11:41:58 < tcth_> zyp, I just fill my jeep grand cherokee with 75l of pure energy in a minute
2018-07-30T11:42:04 < Steffanx> And depending on the time ill have to get you a fresh stroopwaffle :P
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2018-07-30T11:42:16 < tcth_> (god bless the diesel turbo pump button meant for larger vehicles)
2018-07-30T11:42:56 < zyp> tcth_, sure, but that's no fun
2018-07-30T11:44:23 < tcth_> zyp, if you want to know what really isn´t fun we can have a talk about my experience with the model x Steg<->Bergamo 
2018-07-30T11:45:41 < capacitor> did it catch fire and burn your ballsacks
2018-07-30T11:45:57 < tcth_> I would have preferred that.
2018-07-30T11:46:08 < tcth_> also, why the hell is ´ballsacks´ in plural?
2018-07-30T11:46:09 < capacitor> guess it was pretty bad then
2018-07-30T11:46:11 < zyp> tcth_, a 250km trip? TMX can't do that without stopping to charge?
2018-07-30T11:46:34 < capacitor> tcth_: i thought i'd try that and see if anyone noticed
2018-07-30T11:46:37 < tcth_> zyp, it was a return trip and somebody thought it was a great idea to do it with 7 people and leaving the ev at the airport for three days...
2018-07-30T11:47:04 < tcth_> (hint: something you do all the time with big boy cars and even the cheapest piece of china shit can handle it)
2018-07-30T11:47:37 < tcth_> capacitor, I always notice when there is something wrong with balls. ask Steffanx.
2018-07-30T11:47:43 < zyp> doesn't sound like it'd be a problem to me, civilized airports have outlets so you can plug it in when you park and come back to a fully charged car
2018-07-30T11:47:59 < capacitor> lol
2018-07-30T11:48:49 < tcth_> > civilized airports
2018-07-30T11:48:50 < tcth_> > italy
2018-07-30T11:49:05  * tcth_ looks at the BrainDamage 
2018-07-30T11:49:06 < zyp> not my fault italy is a third world country
2018-07-30T11:49:11 < tcth_> ^
2018-07-30T11:49:20 < Steffanx> Ok so just let me know when you expect to be in groningen. Ill be there, by train.
2018-07-30T11:49:37 < capacitor> and by train he means balls
2018-07-30T11:49:55 < tcth_> if the steffan can do one thing it´s riding
2018-07-30T11:49:56 < Steffanx> No airplane, thats a bit over the top.
2018-07-30T11:49:58 < tcth_> riding trains, of course.
2018-07-30T11:50:11 < tcth_> like an airplain from dutchland to swissland would have been a bit over the top?
2018-07-30T11:50:17 < zyp> Steffanx, cool, I'll message you once I'm on the way tomorrow
2018-07-30T11:50:18 < tcth_> > over the top... I see what you did there :p
2018-07-30T11:50:18 < Steffanx> Swisserland by train.. never agsin
2018-07-30T11:50:27 < capacitor> and by train he means balls
2018-07-30T11:50:28 < tcth_> I told you not to do that, mate.
2018-07-30T11:50:38 < Steffanx> Stub born.
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2018-07-30T11:50:51 < tcth_> I hope you regret it.
2018-07-30T11:50:54 < tcth_> you should regret it.
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2018-07-30T11:51:48 < zyp> tcth_, how come you're not showing up tomorrow? you got a longer notice than you gave me
2018-07-30T11:51:55 < Steffanx> Lol.
2018-07-30T11:52:20 < tcth_> zyp, because steffanx told me that it would be weird to just show up and once I managed to talk to you about it I already got that appointment to visit the assembly house
2018-07-30T11:52:22 < Steffanx> He can still fly to here and be here before you are.
2018-07-30T11:52:37 < zyp> aww
2018-07-30T11:52:56 < Steffanx> Did i say that? That werent my excact words.
2018-07-30T11:52:56 < tcth_> zyp I´ll probably jump to .no soon
2018-07-30T11:53:02 < zyp> cool
2018-07-30T11:53:12 < tcth_> Steffanx, yes.
2018-07-30T11:53:17 < tcth_> I was badly hurt (4 real)
2018-07-30T11:53:35 < capacitor> i was looking at a map of europe the other day
2018-07-30T11:53:42 < Steffanx> I didnt say it would be weird.
2018-07-30T11:53:52 < Steffanx> Such backstabbing.
2018-07-30T11:53:57 < tcth_> like you didn´t backstabb me? :D
2018-07-30T11:54:16 < zyp> capacitor, fancy how all the countries are close together like that?
2018-07-30T11:54:16 < tcth_> Steffanx <3
2018-07-30T11:54:21 < Steffanx> Only because you dont tell people about your irc activities. Cant help that.
2018-07-30T11:54:25 < capacitor> zyp: ya indeed
2018-07-30T11:54:28 < tcth_> he was my best friend
2018-07-30T11:54:31 < tcth_> emphasis on _was_
2018-07-30T11:54:34 < tcth_> (no, just kidding)
2018-07-30T11:54:47 < zyp> haha
2018-07-30T11:54:53 < tcth_> but what´s really true: that guy knew EVERYTHING about me, except for IRC>
2018-07-30T11:54:59 < tcth_> and I mean literally anything
2018-07-30T11:55:03 < Steffanx> Haha.
2018-07-30T11:55:33 < tcth_> he does seem to be more worried when I don´t call/text back for a longer period of time these days though.
2018-07-30T11:55:55 < tcth_> capacitor, for the real fun, look at some animated map of europe from like 1200 to 2018
2018-07-30T11:56:05 < capacitor> will do
2018-07-30T11:56:58 < tcth_> when will capacitor visit the main land?
2018-07-30T11:57:22 < capacitor> soon enough
2018-07-30T11:57:37 < capacitor> when i accrue this leave so I can party
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2018-07-30T11:59:15 < Steffanx> Didnt you know aussieland changed to?
2018-07-30T11:59:26 < capacitor> eh
2018-07-30T11:59:29 < Steffanx> Can find the map...
2018-07-30T11:59:32 < Steffanx> Cant*
2018-07-30T11:59:47 < capacitor> the island of shit
2018-07-30T12:00:20 < tcth_> I gotta go
2018-07-30T12:00:22 < tcth_> take care, folks o/
2018-07-30T12:00:26 < Steffanx> Have fun sir.
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2018-07-30T12:00:42 < capacitor> l8r
2018-07-30T12:00:50 < capacitor> i better get the boots out 
2018-07-30T12:08:13 < Steffanx> !wz melbourne
2018-07-30T12:08:15 < englishbot> [Melbourne, Australia] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 10.3°C. WSW wind: 1.4 kph. Humidity: 73%.
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2018-07-30T13:14:39 < Steffanx> What do you expect from a netflix watch list mr sir jadew?
2018-07-30T13:25:46 < DisruptiveNL> Hey all .... when an I2C sensor is returning the same value by reading what can be the issue?
2018-07-30T13:27:38 < karlp> that the sensor is reading hte same value?
2018-07-30T13:28:38 < DisruptiveNL> Yes
2018-07-30T13:28:46 < DisruptiveNL> hts221
2018-07-30T13:28:56 < DisruptiveNL> temperature and humidity
2018-07-30T13:54:33 < Cracki> DisruptiveNL, physical value sufficiently constant, sensor not enabled to sample the value, reading the wrong register, ...
2018-07-30T13:54:47 < DisruptiveNL> oke
2018-07-30T13:54:56 < Cracki> want a crystal ball?
2018-07-30T13:55:06 < Cracki> _you_ need to provide info
2018-07-30T13:55:25 < DisruptiveNL> no the registers seem te be correct defined
2018-07-30T13:55:39 < DisruptiveNL> crystal balls are not there
2018-07-30T13:55:41 < DisruptiveNL> ;-)
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2018-07-30T13:58:53 < Cracki> poof
2018-07-30T13:59:33 < Cracki> fits the theme of nebulous situations
2018-07-30T13:59:48 < Steffanx> He is not worthy to have the NL tag.
2018-07-30T14:01:04 < Cracki> confiscate his stroopwafels
2018-07-30T14:01:16 < Thorn> I was going to ask him a clarifying question
2018-07-30T14:01:21 < Thorn> he must be from Amsterdam
2018-07-30T14:01:35 < Cracki> my geo script says Ziggo, Groningen, GR, Netherlands, 12:28 CEST/+0200 (5ED42E60.cm-7-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
2018-07-30T14:01:56 < Steffanx> Yeah, it seems he actually went to the same fake uni i went to. Explains a lot.
2018-07-30T14:02:03 < Steffanx> i remember him
2018-07-30T14:02:06 < Cracki> but I guess the "amsterdam" guess relates to behavior rather than ISP HQ
2018-07-30T14:02:08 < Steffanx> (from before)
2018-07-30T14:02:12 < Cracki> fake uni?
2018-07-30T14:02:13 < capacitor> HEDDE DRUGS OP
2018-07-30T14:02:17 < Steffanx> yes.
2018-07-30T14:02:36 < Steffanx> what do you call it. University of applied science or something
2018-07-30T14:02:42 < Steffanx> aka fake uni
2018-07-30T14:02:47 < Cracki> ah, second class thingies
2018-07-30T14:03:17 < Steffanx> Fachhochschule for zhe germans
2018-07-30T14:03:22 < Cracki> in germany, they're Fachhochschule, more aligned with craft than science
2018-07-30T14:03:23 < Steffanx> or entirely, but.. kinda comparable
2018-07-30T14:04:01 < Steffanx> I dont say its a bad thing, but this "uni" isnt that good.
2018-07-30T14:04:36 < Cracki> aye, in general, many people are better served with applied instruction. I wonder what his problem could be...
2018-07-30T14:08:46 < capacitor> muh cocks
2018-07-30T14:32:01 < Thorn> interview questions https://imgur.com/a/bwWgZi6
2018-07-30T14:33:27 < Thorn> (can someone translate #1 into english please)
2018-07-30T14:33:53 < Thorn> (they're not mine lol, no idea about original source)
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2018-07-30T14:46:52 < Steffanx> Are these trick questions or what Thorn?
2018-07-30T14:49:54 < Thorn> no idea, they look rather sloppy to me
2018-07-30T14:50:21 < Thorn> could be a recruiter's screening test
2018-07-30T14:51:22 < karlp> number 9 is missing the ground at the bottom?
2018-07-30T14:54:34 < Steffanx> heh, yeah karlp
2018-07-30T14:54:34 < englishman> you  mean shorting vcc to ground?
2018-07-30T14:54:59 < Steffanx> its actually https://produktinfo.conrad.com/datenblaetter/1200000-1299999/001257372-da-01-en-IC_REG_BK_B_LTC3115IDHD_2_PBF_DFN_16_LTC.pdf - a pgnd pin
2018-07-30T14:55:00 < englishman> seems its missing a power node tho
2018-07-30T14:55:01 < karlp> no, the cap from vcc just goes to a resistor to the RT.
2018-07-30T14:55:15 < karlp> fuck those sort of tests though
2018-07-30T14:55:49 < karlp> but yes, those two gnd/pgnd nodes at the bottom
2018-07-30T14:56:05 < englishman> 11 d is the correct answer
2018-07-30T14:56:38 < Steffanx> Yeah, because you should be using keil, right?
2018-07-30T14:56:55 < englishman> you should not be multiplying apostrophe by 13
2018-07-30T14:56:57 < englishman> is why
2018-07-30T14:57:31 < Thorn> ' ' == 32 iirc
2018-07-30T14:57:35 < karlp> ' '  is 0x20, and it won't fit in the cahr is the answer they're looking for
2018-07-30T14:57:39 < Steffanx> yes, but it says ` ` 
2018-07-30T14:57:49 < karlp> that's just a font rendering
2018-07-30T14:57:56 < englishman> its not even an apostrophe
2018-07-30T14:58:03 < englishman> its the backwards latex one
2018-07-30T14:58:27 < Steffanx> anyway, many of those questions deserve a smart arse answer
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2018-07-30T14:58:33 < Steffanx> not sure if that's what they want
2018-07-30T14:58:43 < Thorn> also iirc intermediate results are always at least int-sized in c
2018-07-30T14:58:59 < karlp> what's "describe the architecture" meant to mean for the ram one?
2018-07-30T14:59:52 < englishman> "a good architecture"
2018-07-30T15:02:51 < karlp> nice call having main without a return type too.
2018-07-30T15:02:55 < englishman> interesting the same guy who finds out about mlccs in august 2018 also cant handle a 500km tesla trip
2018-07-30T15:03:02  * karlp laughs
2018-07-30T15:03:17 < karlp> hoho.c:5:11: warning: overflow in implicit constant conversion [-Woverflow]
2018-07-30T15:03:28 < karlp> so the char is -96
2018-07-30T15:03:39 < karlp> but the return value for main as an int is then 160.
2018-07-30T15:03:58 < karlp> which is just singed/unsigned conversion
2018-07-30T15:04:34 < karlp> who the fuck would be expected to do both remember the value of ' ' and do the maths with wrapping?
2018-07-30T15:08:41 < Thorn> gcc -c -fsigned-char
2018-07-30T15:09:06 < Thorn> iirc whether char is signed is implementation dependent
2018-07-30T15:09:40 < karlp> doesnt' even have to be 8bits
2018-07-30T15:10:35 < Thorn> interview question: if char is 16 bits and int is 32 bits, what is sizeof(int)?
2018-07-30T15:12:47 < karlp> heh
2018-07-30T15:12:57 < Steffanx> who would want a 500km tesla trip... englishman?!
2018-07-30T15:12:58 < karlp> my gut is that it's a gap in the spec, and it's still 4?
2018-07-30T15:15:50 < fenugrec> had to look it up, but interesting : sizeof(char) would be 1, but sizeof(int) would be 4
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2018-07-30T15:19:04 < Thorn> asked it in 2 chats with c++ guru / commitee members, getting different answers
2018-07-30T15:21:34 < karlp> are there any non8bit char systems still in existance?
2018-07-30T15:21:47 < Thorn> okay they converged on sizeof(int) being 2
2018-07-30T15:21:47 < karlp> or where NULL is non-zero?
2018-07-30T15:22:08 < karlp> if sizeof(char) on that system is 1, then sizeof (int) _should_ be two, yes...
2018-07-30T15:22:29 < karlp> it's like vi/emacs to get concerned about char issues like this,
2018-07-30T15:22:39 < karlp> when there's real problems like unsigned shifts and things.
2018-07-30T15:23:26 < fenugrec> " The sizeof operator yields the size (in bytes) of its operand, " [...] When applied to an operand that has type char, unsigned char, or signed char,
2018-07-30T15:23:27 < fenugrec>  the result is 1. "
2018-07-30T15:24:13 < Thorn> apparently if char is 16 bits then "byte" is also 16 bits
2018-07-30T15:24:20 < Thorn> as used in the std
2018-07-30T15:24:49 < fenugrec> ah then that would be the catch. That's one interview I would be glad to fail... wouldn't want to work there
2018-07-30T15:34:22 < Thorn> >Something to be aware of is that signed overflow in C and C++ is undefined behaviour.
2018-07-30T15:34:37 < Thorn> so if char is signed then problem #11 is UB
2018-07-30T15:37:11 < karlp> signed: alpha, hppa, x86, ia64, m68k, mips, sh, sparc
2018-07-30T15:37:17 < karlp> unsigned: arm, powerpc, s390
2018-07-30T15:40:12 < Thorn> I wonder how this can be hardware dependent
2018-07-30T15:40:25 < Thorn> also -fsigned-char in gcc
2018-07-30T15:40:43 < dongs> hardware dependent = 8bit operating insns do different shit with sign bit
2018-07-30T15:40:53 < karlp> https://trofi.github.io/posts/203-signed-char-or-unsigned-char.html shows that some ISAs prefer signed/unsigned for efficiency
2018-07-30T15:41:14 < karlp> that person wasn't looking at 8/16bit targets mind you
2018-07-30T16:00:42 < Cracki> I need a spray bottle slave that sprays me with water every minute
2018-07-30T16:01:38 < Steffanx> One of those leave waver isnt enough?
2018-07-30T16:02:00 < Cracki> does not parse
2018-07-30T16:02:06 < Steffanx> lol
2018-07-30T16:02:07 < Cracki> ah leaf wavers
2018-07-30T16:02:08 < Steffanx> leaf
2018-07-30T16:02:10 < Steffanx> lolz
2018-07-30T16:02:40 < Cracki> no, not enough. I want to cool down, not be getting steamed
2018-07-30T16:02:46 < Steffanx> somehow my fingers  sometimes type how i would pronounce something.
2018-07-30T16:03:13 < Steffanx> incorrect muscle memory or something.
2018-07-30T16:03:36 < Cracki> in german, "Palme wedeln" means to wave the palm (leaf/tree) but also to jerk off
2018-07-30T16:03:55 < Steffanx> ty, now ill remember this useless fact forever.
2018-07-30T16:04:01 < Cracki> yw
2018-07-30T16:04:17 < Thorn> I studied German in school but they didn't teach me that
2018-07-30T16:04:36 < Cracki> goes to show you, they teach only lies!
2018-07-30T16:04:43 < Cracki> especially about germans :>
2018-07-30T16:05:28 < Cracki> #notallgermans own a Dackel and drink beer from a Maßkrug
2018-07-30T16:06:15 < Steffanx> but you do wear lederhosen right?
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2018-07-30T16:07:18 < Cracki> nifoc
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2018-07-30T16:10:32 < Cracki> when I have money to spare, I'll see about lederhosen
2018-07-30T16:11:34 < Steffanx> ill donate you some money on that website i cant remember the name of
2018-07-30T16:11:42 < Cracki> dickstarter?
2018-07-30T16:11:48 < Steffanx> p .. something?
2018-07-30T16:12:06 < Thorn> patreon
2018-07-30T16:12:11 < Steffanx> yeah thats it
2018-07-30T16:12:11 < Cracki> pedreon
2018-07-30T16:12:19 < Thorn> where all the 'cosplay models' post tits for money
2018-07-30T16:12:35 < Cracki> what does this mean? do people demand pics of me in lederhosen?
2018-07-30T16:12:49 < Cracki> I could charge 100 bucks an hour for fetish service
2018-07-30T16:13:11 < aandrew> https://i.redd.it/m97rqxo7vu611.jpg
2018-07-30T16:13:24 < Cracki> dat probe
2018-07-30T16:13:27 < Cracki> hawt
2018-07-30T16:14:05 < Thorn> software engineering BS
2018-07-30T16:14:11 < Cracki> bullshit in *software* engineering, and they supposedly show someone soldering something
2018-07-30T16:14:22 < Thorn> the probe is not grounded and is shorting something on the pcb
2018-07-30T16:14:22 < Cracki> marketing ヽ༼ ಠ益ಠ ༽ﾉ
2018-07-30T16:14:23 < aandrew> that's not soldering
2018-07-30T16:14:29 < aandrew> I'm pretty sure that dude's welding with a scope probe
2018-07-30T16:14:30 < Cracki> that's welding?
2018-07-30T16:14:30 < aandrew> heh
2018-07-30T16:14:35 < Cracki> good shit
2018-07-30T16:14:38 < Cracki> arc welding
2018-07-30T16:15:12 < Thorn> I had smoke come out when probing before I purchased a lab PSU with current limiting
2018-07-30T16:15:28 < Cracki> what did you use before?
2018-07-30T16:15:33 < Cracki> 100A psu?
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2018-07-30T16:15:53 < Thorn> a li-ion is apparently enough
2018-07-30T16:15:54 < Cracki> (I often limit my lab psu too... can't be too careful)
2018-07-30T16:16:08 < Cracki> liions do that, aye
2018-07-30T16:16:14 < englishman> tctw: jeep grand cherokee is no car for a ceo
2018-07-30T16:16:25 < englishman> you need to get yourself a porsche 911 turbro, immediately
2018-07-30T16:16:35 < Cracki> >tur-BRO
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2018-07-30T16:17:02 < Cracki> expecting popped collars
2018-07-30T16:17:25 < Thorn> Mr. englishman please have a kitteh https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl2SpbYHZOY/
2018-07-30T16:18:06 < englishman> thats not fun
2018-07-30T16:18:12 < englishman> why is that child torturing that animal
2018-07-30T16:18:18 < englishman> rip his face off
2018-07-30T16:18:47 < englishman> that alone is a good enough reason for trump to invade russia
2018-07-30T16:19:26 < Cracki> cute kitteh
2018-07-30T16:21:04 < karlp> aandrew: nice :)
2018-07-30T16:22:00 < englishman> software engineering BS for real
2018-07-30T16:24:20 < englishman> karlp, what mechanism turns `` into a number, anyway? is the pair correlated to a number in some 2D ascii table?
2018-07-30T16:25:09 < karlp> ' '
2018-07-30T16:25:15 < karlp> you're hung up on the font formatting.
2018-07-30T16:25:22 < karlp> it's just a character literal.
2018-07-30T16:25:24 < englishman> so they are apostrohpes around a space
2018-07-30T16:25:54 < englishman> and yeah
2018-07-30T16:25:56 < englishman> i am
2018-07-30T16:26:09 < karlp> the lack of a return type on main is worse there :)
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2018-07-30T16:26:26 < englishman> but i have to be equally banal
2018-07-30T16:26:29 < englishman> as the question
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2018-07-30T16:27:46 < englishman> not really as the compiler will remind you
2018-07-30T16:28:07 < karlp> well, it will remind you that you used ` instead of ' too...
2018-07-30T16:29:39 < Cracki> wait they assume ascii?
2018-07-30T16:30:21 < Thorn> yeah what if I'm using KOI-7
2018-07-30T16:30:27 < Cracki> ebcdic
2018-07-30T16:30:42 < Cracki> what if sizeof(char) > 1
2018-07-30T16:30:58 < Thorn> unpossible per standard
2018-07-30T16:30:59 < Cracki> I'm not sure the c standard requires chars to be 1 byte
2018-07-30T16:31:05 < Thorn> it does
2018-07-30T16:31:11 < Cracki> I'm not sure the C standard requires bytes to have only 8 bits
2018-07-30T16:31:12 < Thorn> and defined a "byte" to be a char
2018-07-30T16:31:21 < Thorn> at least 8 bits
2018-07-30T16:31:34 < Thorn> could be more
2018-07-30T16:31:38 < Cracki> so let's say we have an architecture where bytes contain 9 or 12 bits
2018-07-30T16:31:56 < karlp> were you not paying attention an hour ago when we did this?
2018-07-30T16:32:08 < englishman> yes lets say we are compiling for apollo navigation system
2018-07-30T16:32:09 < Cracki> I'd rather piss on them for the question about the stepdown
2018-07-30T16:32:20 < Cracki> >paying attention
2018-07-30T16:32:21 < Cracki> >irc
2018-07-30T16:32:28 < englishman> as plausible a scenario as wanting to multiply ' ' by 13
2018-07-30T16:36:49 < englishman> the final episode in the 14lb chicken's saga https://i.imgur.com/gxcJAat.jpg https://i.imgur.com/p4hsPeX.jpg
2018-07-30T16:37:15 < jadew> Steffanx, nothing much, just that it remembers the titles you add to it
2018-07-30T16:38:21 < Steffanx> netflix has that..
2018-07-30T16:38:22 < Cracki> crispy burn victim
2018-07-30T16:38:36 < Steffanx> it has a "My list" think jadew
2018-07-30T16:38:51 < jadew> Steffanx, no... that's not it
2018-07-30T16:39:10 < jadew> if you add stuff to my list, it gives you suggestions based on that
2018-07-30T16:39:10 < Steffanx> it remembers the titles i add to it.
2018-07-30T16:39:27 < jadew> I don't want it to give me suggestions based on stuff I haven't seen
2018-07-30T16:39:57 < Steffanx> you shoudl ignore those suggestions anyway
2018-07-30T16:41:00 < Steffanx> so it does what you do, but has side effects :P
2018-07-30T16:41:32 < Steffanx> /do/want/ something
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2018-07-30T17:34:07 < invzim> shipping-rage.. postal service in Norway is seriously retarded
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2018-07-30T18:21:16 < vampi-the-frog> Hello, is this channel Sharia-compliant?
2018-07-30T18:21:35 < day> totally hallal
2018-07-30T18:21:44 < englishman> opensource is harram
2018-07-30T18:21:50 < vampi-the-frog> oh praise allah
2018-07-30T18:22:05 < englishman> proprietary ST SiC fets in the tesla model 3 inverter
2018-07-30T18:24:46 < Steffanx> No infidels allowed vampi-the-frog 
2018-07-30T18:24:56 < vampi-the-frog> stinking kafirs
2018-07-30T18:25:06 < vampi-the-frog> they are the worst of creatures
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2018-07-30T19:18:15 < englishman> found a zyp install https://i.imgur.com/Qlpriwa.jpg
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2018-07-30T19:22:11 < karlp> that's just a shitty connection right?
2018-07-30T19:22:41 < karlp> hate north american wiring
2018-07-30T19:24:21 < vampi-the-frog> purty
2018-07-30T19:25:23 < sync> probably Al
2018-07-30T19:26:08 < vampi-the-frog> I can call you Betty
2018-07-30T19:26:17 < vampi-the-frog> and Betty when you call me, you can call me Al
2018-07-30T19:43:44 < Steffanx> lol wut.. 
2018-07-30T19:45:02 < vampi-the-frog> google it
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2018-07-30T19:45:56 < Steffanx> i was referring to that photo P:
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2018-07-30T20:08:15 < jadew> looks like an LED
2018-07-30T20:08:29 < jadew> Light Emitting Wire
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2018-07-30T20:18:57 < jadew> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6006043/Reptile-handler-attacked-crocodile-Thailand.html
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2018-07-30T20:20:41 < jadew> that's when the crowd started applauding
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2018-07-30T21:40:53 < mawk> https://pix.watch/kqQpZ7/6ayknq.jpeg
2018-07-30T21:40:57 < mawk> what am I doing wrong
2018-07-30T21:41:06 < mawk> why isn't it all shiny like I see on the internet
2018-07-30T21:41:16 < mawk> and where do these black spots come from
2018-07-30T21:43:25 < jpa-> what kind of solder?
2018-07-30T21:43:41 < jpa-> the black spots are from flux residue, you can wash it off with alcohol
2018-07-30T21:44:05 < jpa-> not-shiny could be because of e.g. RoHS solder
2018-07-30T21:45:09 < mawk> I have 40% lead 60% tin
2018-07-30T21:45:19 < mawk> with like 2% of flux inside
2018-07-30T21:46:47 < jpa-> should be shinier than that then
2018-07-30T21:46:53 < jpa-> maybe it moved during cooling?
2018-07-30T21:47:31 < mawk> maybe
2018-07-30T21:47:40 < mawk> I don't have a holder, and it isn't flat on the other side
2018-07-30T21:47:44 < mawk> so it moves all over the place when I solder
2018-07-30T21:47:48 < mawk> because I don't have a third hand
2018-07-30T21:50:24 < jadew> doesn't look non-shiny because of movement
2018-07-30T21:50:32 < jadew> it's probably the solder
2018-07-30T21:50:57 < mawk> maybe a counterfeit then
2018-07-30T21:51:03 < jadew> unless you're working on a constantly shaking surface
2018-07-30T21:51:14 < vampi-the-frog> bad flux perhaps
2018-07-30T21:51:26 < vampi-the-frog> perhaps you're overheating it
2018-07-30T21:51:30 < jadew> nah, the flux seems alright, the joints are good
2018-07-30T21:51:34 < jadew> it's just not shiny
2018-07-30T21:51:51 < jadew> and a bit too much solder, but that's on you
2018-07-30T21:51:51 < vampi-the-frog> like a treasure from a sunken pirate wreck
2018-07-30T21:51:54 < vampi-the-frog> shiny
2018-07-30T21:52:00 < vampi-the-frog> I will sparkle like a wealthy woman's neck
2018-07-30T21:52:02 < vampi-the-frog> just a sec
2018-07-30T21:55:12 < englishman> rohs solder is way better
2018-07-30T21:55:17 < englishman> why are you using that toxic leaded crap
2018-07-30T21:55:20 < englishman> is it currently 1975
2018-07-30T21:55:23 < mawk> lol
2018-07-30T21:55:38 < mawk> I have some solder from 1975
2018-07-30T21:55:58 < mawk> my dead grandfather left me a solder gun he used in his youth
2018-07-30T21:56:26 < mawk> or rather I took it after he died
2018-07-30T21:58:08 < Steffanx> the fumes from rohs arent that great either...
2018-07-30T21:59:41 < mawk> the first time I used the 1975 solder I forgot to use my fan
2018-07-30T21:59:48 < mawk> and my throat ached for some days after that
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2018-07-30T21:59:59 < mawk> as long as the lead doesn't dumb me down it's fine
2018-07-30T22:00:34 < Steffanx> sure it was the lead and the the flux?
2018-07-30T22:01:05 < Steffanx> *and not the flux
2018-07-30T22:01:06 < mawk> a mix of everything I guess
2018-07-30T22:12:08 < Laurenceb__> 4chan has killed /pol/
2018-07-30T22:12:14 < Laurenceb__> le epin dramaz
2018-07-30T22:15:42 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/afa34a7f98/130027.jpg
2018-07-30T22:19:09 < Cracki> wut
2018-07-30T22:19:32 < mawk> épique
2018-07-30T22:19:44 < jadew> that's what my understanding is as well, that fumes from lead free stuff is worse
2018-07-30T22:19:49 < Cracki> 1195! low cost this is not
2018-07-30T22:20:04 < mawk> £1195 doesn't look low cost
2018-07-30T22:20:04 < jadew> Cracki, why would it matter after you're gone?
2018-07-30T22:20:06 < mawk> yeah
2018-07-30T22:20:16 < mawk> it's less money for the legacy
2018-07-30T22:20:23 < Cracki> good point
2018-07-30T22:20:48 < jadew> probably in the UK, it costs more to get burried
2018-07-30T22:20:52 < jadew> also maintenance
2018-07-30T22:21:01 < Cracki> if you wanna go cheap, donate your body to medicine. they'll dissect you and put you in formaldehyde
2018-07-30T22:21:10 < mawk> that costs money toop
2018-07-30T22:21:11 < mawk> -p
2018-07-30T22:21:25 < Cracki> just walk into the ER and chop your head off
2018-07-30T22:21:27 < Cracki> no cost
2018-07-30T22:21:28 < mawk> lol
2018-07-30T22:21:42 < mawk> ask to be buried in the common hole
2018-07-30T22:21:45 < mawk> or whatever you call this in english
2018-07-30T22:21:46 < Cracki> oh wait, some people already do that... but not to themselves!
2018-07-30T22:22:04 < Cracki> dumped in a ditch?
2018-07-30T22:22:05 < Steffanx> Just make sure you go to hell and burn forever.
2018-07-30T22:22:19 < jadew> that could be a good show on one of the many cop shows these days
2018-07-30T22:22:21 < Cracki> that's what they do during artificial communist faminest
2018-07-30T22:22:23 < Cracki> -t
2018-07-30T22:22:24 < mawk> the place in the graveyard for poor or anonymous people
2018-07-30T22:22:34 < jadew> guy donates the victim's body to medicine :D
2018-07-30T22:22:34 < mawk> where they put you when you didn't pay for a grave or cremation
2018-07-30T22:23:40 < jadew> mawk, always wondered where they put the people who can't pay
2018-07-30T22:23:56 < jadew> it's not like you get to stay among the living
2018-07-30T22:24:17 < Cracki> Laurenceb__, sauce on "4chan has killed /pol/" plz
2018-07-30T22:25:28 < mawk> here in France if you didn't pay for a grave they put you in the "common ground" for 5 years (to let your soul ascend or some idiocy like that probably), then they burn you, and put the remaining bones and ashes in another hole, the "common hole"
2018-07-30T22:25:43 < mawk> or sometimes in some "souvenir garden" of your city
2018-07-30T22:26:40 < mawk> Cracki: http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/180590382/so-what-did-they-remove-this-afternoon-pol-tv-and
2018-07-30T22:26:57 < Cracki> ah
2018-07-30T22:27:07 < Cracki> >shut it down!
2018-07-30T22:27:36 < Cracki> >Hiro probably spilled onions sauce on the server rack again.
2018-07-30T22:28:20 < Laurenceb__> kek
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2018-07-30T22:47:37 < Cracki> math is hard https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjW5s9PUYAMFljB.jpg
2018-07-30T22:51:33 < Steffanx> ok
2018-07-30T22:52:22 < jadew> "We are no longer accepting comments on this article."
2018-07-30T22:52:34 < jadew> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-205049/Women-work-longer-hours-men.html
2018-07-30T22:54:33 < mawk> why didn't ST include USB DFU flashing in the "blue pill" chip's bootloader ? it has USB FS
2018-07-30T22:54:54 < vampi-the-frog> the blue pill is just some ebay product, not ST official
2018-07-30T22:54:58 < mawk> yeah I know
2018-07-30T22:55:01 < mawk> but the bootloader is inside the chip
2018-07-30T22:55:03 < mawk> which is ST official
2018-07-30T22:55:15 < mawk> I just said bluepill to stand for STM32F103C8T6 or something
2018-07-30T22:55:24 < vampi-the-frog> who cares, just use a programmer
2018-07-30T22:55:36 < mawk> I use the stlink from a nucleo board
2018-07-30T22:55:37 < vampi-the-frog> like real men
2018-07-30T22:55:40 < vampi-the-frog> yeah
2018-07-30T22:56:03 < vampi-the-frog> you can get one of these as well
2018-07-30T22:56:03 < vampi-the-frog> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1PCS-ST-LINK-Stlink-ST-Link-V2-Mini-STM8-STM32-Simulator-Download-Programmer-Programming-With-Cover/32792513237.html
2018-07-30T22:56:08 < vampi-the-frog> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1pcs-New-ST-LINK-V2-ST-LINK-V2-CN-ST-LINK-STLINK-Emulator-Download-Manager-STM8/32725864986.html
2018-07-30T22:56:44 < mawk> Cracki: they mean the ratio of working hours by dollar earned I guess
2018-07-30T22:56:53 < mawk> that one is higher for women
2018-07-30T22:56:57 < Cracki> that's nobody's definition of "longer hours"
2018-07-30T22:57:00 < mawk> yeah
2018-07-30T22:57:06 < vampi-the-frog> you can get this as well https://www.aliexpress.com/item/CJMCU-Jlink-For-SWD-Jlink-3-Wire-3-Cable-For-STM32-On-SWD-Debug/32743207311.html
2018-07-30T22:57:09 < Cracki> it's a propaganda rag
2018-07-30T22:57:09 < mawk> leftist media like to twist numbers
2018-07-30T22:57:20 < vampi-the-frog> at least it has mini USB and you can use a cable
2018-07-30T22:57:21 < Cracki> ooh stuff from ali
2018-07-30T22:57:33 < vampi-the-frog> and OpenOCD supports it
2018-07-30T22:57:46 < Cracki> how well does this thing perform?
2018-07-30T22:57:54 < Cracki> well/quickly
2018-07-30T22:58:20 < vampi-the-frog> I never use it for anything other than programming
2018-07-30T22:58:31 < vampi-the-frog> I use a FTDI USB thing for any debug serial data
2018-07-30T22:58:43 < mawk> I wonder why I can't get the UART output of the board through the nucleo stlink, even though I linked up the TX/RX pins of the nucleo to some UART pins on the "bluepill"
2018-07-30T22:58:43 < vampi-the-frog> so it doesn't really matter, it programs in a couple of seconds
2018-07-30T22:58:55 < mawk> if it's not feasible why did they put pin headers on the TX/RX thing on the stlink
2018-07-30T22:59:13 < vampi-the-frog> does the nucleo programmer present itself as an USB serial device?
2018-07-30T22:59:21 < mawk> yes
2018-07-30T22:59:26 < vampi-the-frog> are you sure RX and TX are going into the programmer?
2018-07-30T22:59:32 < vampi-the-frog> and not the main chip?
2018-07-30T22:59:48 < mawk> they go from the programmer into the main chip, but the pins are exposed
2018-07-30T22:59:54 < mawk> so I thought they exposed it for a reason
2018-07-30T23:00:11 < vampi-the-frog> are you sure you're transmitting?
2018-07-30T23:00:33 < mawk> https://pix.watch/XJjBqJ/cMFZow.png
2018-07-30T23:00:52 < mawk> I'm transmitting from the computer to the programmer yeah
2018-07-30T23:01:18 < vampi-the-frog> I mean are you transmitting from your bluepill UART?
2018-07-30T23:01:23 < mawk> ah, no
2018-07-30T23:01:27 < mawk> I didn't write code for that thing yet
2018-07-30T23:01:32 < mawk> I was just trying the UART bootloader thing
2018-07-30T23:01:35 < vampi-the-frog> well then what do you expect to receive?
2018-07-30T23:01:52 < vampi-the-frog> can you do a lsusb of the nucleo programmer?
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2018-07-30T23:02:02 < mawk> the UART bootloader waits for \x7F, and answers with y
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2018-07-30T23:02:33 < mawk> yeah
2018-07-30T23:03:32 < mawk> https://paste.serveur.io/60y8Ypsc
2018-07-30T23:03:40 < mawk> it's exposed as /dev/ttyACM0
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2018-07-30T23:03:56 < mawk> which usually works when used the nucleo programmer with the nucleo board itself
2018-07-30T23:04:17 < vampi-the-frog> wow even the interfaces have strings
2018-07-30T23:04:25 < mawk> yeah
2018-07-30T23:04:31 < mawk> well it's even exposed as a mass storage device
2018-07-30T23:04:35 < mawk> and you can drag and drop the firmware inside
2018-07-30T23:04:37 < mawk> and it will flash
2018-07-30T23:04:37 < mawk> magic
2018-07-30T23:04:43 < vampi-the-frog> interesting
2018-07-30T23:05:01 < mawk> you can take a broken-or-not nucleo board and cut out the stlink
2018-07-30T23:05:05 < mawk> if you want a standalone one
2018-07-30T23:05:27 < mawk> you just won't get the 3.3V power line I guess
2018-07-30T23:05:36 < vampi-the-frog> can you run this program as root? http://paste.vampi.tech/5b5f6f8727644
2018-07-30T23:05:50 < vampi-the-frog> it gets all the USB descriptors as a JSON
2018-07-30T23:06:10 < Cracki> uh...nderhanded C contest?
2018-07-30T23:06:18 < vampi-the-frog> it needs root to detach it from the kernel 
2018-07-30T23:06:52 < mawk> I ran lsusb as root
2018-07-30T23:07:15 < vampi-the-frog> lsusb doesn't detach from kernel and it cannot get some descriptors
2018-07-30T23:07:21 < mawk> I see
2018-07-30T23:07:56 < vampi-the-frog> afaik lsusb is part of libusb so it should be aware of that, and offer you a flag to do that but it doesn't
2018-07-30T23:08:20 < vampi-the-frog> ah I think it was the HID data
2018-07-30T23:08:29 < vampi-the-frog> I forget what, but some descriptors cannot be read unless it's detached
2018-07-30T23:08:29 < mawk> what do you call detaching from kernel ?
2018-07-30T23:08:38 < vampi-the-frog> it sort of steals the device from the driver
2018-07-30T23:08:39 < mawk> your program is still userland
2018-07-30T23:08:44 < mawk> ah
2018-07-30T23:08:54 < vampi-the-frog> 			detach_status = libusb_detach_kernel_driver(dev, interface->bInterfaceNumber);
2018-07-30T23:09:20 < vampi-the-frog> so for example if it's an audio device, it steals it from ALSA
2018-07-30T23:09:26 < vampi-the-frog> and I think it restores it when it's done
2018-07-30T23:10:08 < mawk> can't find your libusb.h, and I'm on debian testing
2018-07-30T23:10:15 < mawk> closest is <libusb-1.0/libusb.h>
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2018-07-30T23:10:21 < mawk> it's not in the repos ?
2018-07-30T23:10:25 < mawk> or libusb-1.0 is fine
2018-07-30T23:11:06 < vampi-the-frog> here is mine http://paste.vampi.tech/5b5f70cbd0a7b
2018-07-30T23:11:40 < vampi-the-frog> well, to compile you can do:
2018-07-30T23:11:50 < vampi-the-frog> gcc --std=c99 getdesc.c `pkg-config libusb-1.0 --libs --cflags` -o getdesc
2018-07-30T23:16:21 < mawk> vampi-the-frog: https://serveur.io/vampi.stdout.txt
2018-07-30T23:16:27 < mawk> https://serveur.io/vampi.stderr.txt
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2018-07-30T23:19:54 < mawk> and if you want to see where the errors are, https://serveur.io/vampi.combined.txt
2018-07-30T23:20:19 < vampi-the-frog> it's ok the errors are unimportant
2018-07-30T23:20:29 < vampi-the-frog> it tries and -EPIPE just means it found nothing
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2018-07-30T23:20:45 < mawk> brb
2018-07-30T23:27:19 < Laurenceb__> did someone say ALSA??
2018-07-30T23:27:24 < Laurenceb__> muh gui
2018-07-30T23:27:40 < Laurenceb__> today I wrote muh database interface... in bash
2018-07-30T23:27:51 < Cracki> have you tried pulseaudio :>
2018-07-30T23:27:59 < Cracki> bash? oy
2018-07-30T23:28:05 < Cracki> whats it do
2018-07-30T23:28:31 < Laurenceb__> load data from wav into influxdb
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2018-07-30T23:31:28 < vampi-the-frog> mawk: http://usb.vampi.tech/edit/185
2018-07-30T23:31:44 < vampi-the-frog> mawk: if you want I can make it private
2018-07-30T23:31:47 < Cracki> effluent db
2018-07-30T23:32:12 < Cracki> fancy page
2018-07-30T23:36:30 < Laurenceb__> kek effluent db
2018-07-30T23:37:04 < kakimir> memetech
2018-07-30T23:37:23 < Laurenceb__> muh iot, muh kapacitor, muh telegraph
2018-07-30T23:37:43 < vampi-the-frog> you sound like retards who can't string together a proper sentence
2018-07-30T23:38:09 < Steffanx> Hi kakimeme
2018-07-30T23:38:26 < Steffanx> You were missed kakimir 
2018-07-30T23:38:34 < Steffanx> Missing*
2018-07-30T23:38:56 < kakimir> kakimeme did some work
2018-07-30T23:39:08 < kakimir> it's summer vacation
2018-07-30T23:39:22 < Steffanx> :)
2018-07-30T23:39:22 < kakimir> soon I need to head back to work to rest and ircs
2018-07-30T23:40:08 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1krFt-OmI8qkSmW6PAAKV0YXXwBD5WCej/view?usp=sharing me doing ircs while sun sets
2018-07-30T23:40:48 < Steffanx> Heh
2018-07-30T23:41:16 < englishman> mawk: stm32f1 is 11 years old, it predates a lot of usb code
2018-07-30T23:41:42 < vampi-the-frog> good enough for marriage in islam
2018-07-30T23:43:08 < Steffanx> Can you stop that vampi-the-frog ?
2018-07-30T23:43:17 < kakimir> he has ben infected
2018-07-30T23:43:29 < kakimir> he can't help it
2018-07-30T23:43:39 < kakimir> we need to destroy the source of virus
2018-07-30T23:43:41 < Steffanx> I can.
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2018-07-30T23:43:55 < kakimir> Steffanx: true :o
2018-07-30T23:44:42 < Cracki> no frog boiling pls
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2018-07-30T23:45:38 < zyp> fucking germans occupying my parking spot
2018-07-30T23:45:41 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/zAgUS.jpg
2018-07-30T23:45:57 < Cracki> it's not germans unless it's a PANZER
2018-07-30T23:46:03 < kakimir> german invasion
2018-07-30T23:46:09 < zyp> it got german plates
2018-07-30T23:46:11 < Cracki> also, we don't have yellow plates
2018-07-30T23:46:18 < Cracki> or do you mean the van?
2018-07-30T23:46:21 < zyp> yeah
2018-07-30T23:46:25 < Cracki> ah
2018-07-30T23:46:31 < zyp> the up's been there since before I arrived yesterday
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2018-07-30T23:46:33 < Steffanx> The van has .de on it indeed
2018-07-30T23:46:51 < zyp> the van's in the spot reserved for EVs
2018-07-30T23:46:58 < Cracki> "the up" is that misshapen soccer ball?
2018-07-30T23:47:12 < zyp> it's a VW up
2018-07-30T23:47:18 < Cracki> call a tow truck, they'll bill him :>
2018-07-30T23:47:22 < Steffanx> Now youre blocking the renault?
2018-07-30T23:47:32 < zyp> what renault?
2018-07-30T23:47:33 < Steffanx> I mean vw whatever
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2018-07-30T23:47:42 < zyp> and no, I'm not blocking anybody
2018-07-30T23:47:43 < Steffanx> Looked renault until i looked again :P
2018-07-30T23:48:00 < Cracki> both look kinda like a diamond
2018-07-30T23:48:03 < Steffanx> Like*
2018-07-30T23:48:48 < zyp> they're so easily recognizable though
2018-07-30T23:49:36 < Steffanx> Fancy hat you have btw :P
2018-07-30T23:49:53 < zyp> haha
2018-07-30T23:50:05 < zyp> my wife bought it for the trip, she's yet to wear it though :p
2018-07-30T23:50:29 < mawk> englishman: but it has USB FS inside, and a USB mini plu
2018-07-30T23:50:29 < mawk> g
2018-07-30T23:50:43 < mawk> my nucleo board has USB FS too, and it has the DFU bootloader
2018-07-30T23:50:57 < mawk> neither are OTG or something, just plain usb full speed 
2018-07-30T23:51:11 < englishman> is it stm32f1
2018-07-30T23:51:27 < capacitor> Hi sir
2018-07-30T23:51:28 < qyx> I bought one of those waveshare e-ink displays
2018-07-30T23:51:34 < qyx> it is practically unusable
2018-07-30T23:51:38 < qyx> ~10s refresh time
2018-07-30T23:51:59 < Steffanx> Welce capacitor 
2018-07-30T23:52:02 < qyx> and partial refresh makes all surroundings looking awful
2018-07-30T23:52:02 < capacitor> Yip
2018-07-30T23:52:27 < englishman> sounds like eink yup
2018-07-30T23:53:26 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fp2Z-eqdnhuSiW0Y7UBS8AlOFkyyEGow/view?usp=sharing we went teasing my friend trying to do work
2018-07-30T23:53:48 < zyp> eink is nice when all you need to do is flip pages a couple of times per minute at most
2018-07-30T23:54:05 < zyp> but not very useful for interactive stuff
2018-07-30T23:54:10 < zyp> although
2018-07-30T23:54:26 < zyp> that «remarkable» thing was supposed to be good, I've yet to try that
2018-07-30T23:54:43 < Steffanx> Ive seen it in real life, it was pretty amazing
2018-07-30T23:55:14 < Steffanx> The eink part was pretty good. The othet software lacked some useful features though
2018-07-30T23:55:34 < zyp> I interviewed with them for an open position they had last year, but then I got another offer first
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2018-07-30T23:55:50 < zyp> maybe if I had taken that position, the software would have been better :p
2018-07-30T23:56:13 < capacitor> welcome steffan
2018-07-30T23:56:36 < Laurenceb__> ur mom
2018-07-30T23:57:10 < capacitor> thankyou for the hardware
2018-07-30T23:57:14 < Laurenceb__> curl -i -XPOST 'http://localhost:8086/write?db=ur-mom' --data-binary @-
2018-07-30T23:57:56 < capacitor> Laurenceb have you booted assange yet?
2018-07-30T23:58:17 < mawk> yes englishman 
2018-07-30T23:58:52 < mawk> no it's fine vampi-the-frog , thanks
2018-07-30T23:58:52 < capacitor> today people on the train are using nintendo switch
2018-07-30T23:59:00 < capacitor> it must be half price now
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2018-07-31T00:00:06 < Laurenceb__> I should send him a backpack hot air balloon
2018-07-31T00:00:16 < capacitor> yeah try that
2018-07-31T00:00:25 < mawk> qyx: can't you turn off partial refresh ? 
2018-07-31T00:00:35 < capacitor> but make it do remote detonations
2018-07-31T00:00:38 < mawk> my amazon kindle thing let me do that
2018-07-31T00:00:58 < Laurenceb__> assange only detonated in femnazi vagoo
2018-07-31T00:01:10 < capacitor> lol
2018-07-31T00:01:14 < capacitor> that's for sure
2018-07-31T00:01:40 < capacitor> and terminated the contract with the cry rape exit
2018-07-31T00:06:40 < zyp> in other news, I've figured out how weed smells now
2018-07-31T00:07:04 < Steffanx> Lol. We better visit a coffeeshop
2018-07-31T00:07:05 < capacitor> like it always did?
2018-07-31T00:07:06 < zyp> at least, I assume that's the strong smell I smell all over the place
2018-07-31T00:07:24 < zyp> capacitor, ya, I just don't normally encounter it
2018-07-31T00:07:53 < Steffanx> You wanted to visit amsterdam :P
2018-07-31T00:07:59 < zyp> :p
2018-07-31T00:08:06 < qyx> mawk: yes but then it does full refresh which is even more distracting of course
2018-07-31T00:08:24 < Steffanx> Its what you get. All the tourists doing drugs and jumping out windows
2018-07-31T00:08:35 < zyp> hehe
2018-07-31T00:08:45 < zyp> we've been playing tourists today
2018-07-31T00:09:29 < Steffanx> Will you go to volendam and stufd too or no more stops?
2018-07-31T00:09:33 < zyp> first we went to madurodam, then we took a channel boat tour, then we walked around in de wallen
2018-07-31T00:10:22 < zyp> wife talked about stopping by zaandam or something to look at some windmills tomorrow, but apart from that I don't think we have any more stuff planned
2018-07-31T00:11:02 < vampi-the-frog> btw happy white history month
2018-07-31T00:11:02 < Steffanx> But you have to take a photo like this
2018-07-31T00:11:04 < Steffanx> https://goo.gl/images/Tm349Y
2018-07-31T00:12:07 < zyp> haha
2018-07-31T00:12:24 < Steffanx> Wooden shoes. capacitor will like.
2018-07-31T00:12:59 < zyp> wife bought a wooden shoes fridge magnet for her collection
2018-07-31T00:13:18 < Steffanx> Hah
2018-07-31T00:14:21 < zyp> madurodam was pretty awesome
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2018-07-31T00:15:07 < zyp> spotted another norwegian car in the parking lot, first we've seen since the day we drove to germany
2018-07-31T00:17:18 < capacitor> what was the collector's name again Steffanx ?
2018-07-31T00:17:27 < Steffanx> Idk.
2018-07-31T00:17:41 < Steffanx> Hoeben or something?
2018-07-31T00:18:55 < Steffanx> Bongers, capacitor 
2018-07-31T00:19:20 < Steffanx> International Wooden Shoe Museum Eelde
2018-07-31T00:20:50 < capacitor> lol yes
2018-07-31T00:20:56 < capacitor> BONGERS
2018-07-31T00:22:23 < capacitor> thanks for the link Steffanx 
2018-07-31T00:22:28 < capacitor> i knew the dutch were insane
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2018-07-31T00:24:24 < englishman> mawk: got a link
2018-07-31T00:24:47 < mawk> https://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers/stm32f103c8.html
2018-07-31T00:25:25 < mawk> and I bought these: https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B07DK6JK7F/
2018-07-31T00:26:31 < mawk> I'll open a dispute for it because one of the usb pad is badly soldered and doesn't make contact all of the time
2018-07-31T00:26:32 < capacitor> congratulations 
2018-07-31T00:26:56 < mawk> I'm just giving a link to englishman 
2018-07-31T00:26:57 < capacitor> one of my ebay ones was DOA
2018-07-31T00:27:05 < mawk> ah
2018-07-31T00:27:09 < mawk> DOA ?
2018-07-31T00:27:11 < capacitor> almost got on the plane to china
2018-07-31T00:27:13 < mawk> dead on arrival
2018-07-31T00:27:14 < englishman> which nucleo tho
2018-07-31T00:27:14 < capacitor> dead on arrival
2018-07-31T00:27:25 < mawk> a nucleo-64 englishman 
2018-07-31T00:27:33 < mawk> they pretty much have all the same stlink
2018-07-31T00:27:34 < englishman> which one tho
2018-07-31T00:27:35 < mawk> nucleo-L152RE
2018-07-31T00:27:38 < englishman> so
2018-07-31T00:27:40 < englishman> not f1
2018-07-31T00:27:50 < mawk> the chip I'm programming is F1
2018-07-31T00:27:51 < englishman> L1 is  like 10 years newer than F1
2018-07-31T00:27:59 < capacitor> i have a nucleo f1 it is so cool the MCU doesn't even has the xtal
2018-07-31T00:28:15 < englishman> yes it gets clock from the stlink which does have an xtal
2018-07-31T00:28:19 < mawk> and the Stlink itself has a F1 chip
2018-07-31T00:28:31 < englishman> yes stlink is an f1
2018-07-31T00:28:35 < englishman> but has no usbdfu
2018-07-31T00:28:38 < englishman> or usbhost
2018-07-31T00:28:44 < mawk> no
2018-07-31T00:29:01 < mawk> but the other F1 i'm programming with the stlink has USB FS
2018-07-31T00:29:10 < englishman> yes most f1 do
2018-07-31T00:29:32 < englishman> at least the medium density ones and up
2018-07-31T00:29:42 < mawk> yes
2018-07-31T00:30:28 < capacitor> yah i was horrified it received crock from stlink
2018-07-31T00:30:49 < mawk> it can work with the internal clock
2018-07-31T00:30:56 < mawk> some ST-provided examples do that
2018-07-31T00:31:02 < englishman> why is that horrifying
2018-07-31T00:31:05 < capacitor> indeed
2018-07-31T00:31:13 < capacitor> idk lol
2018-07-31T00:31:27 < englishman> the mco feature is super handy
2018-07-31T00:31:27 < capacitor> no big deal
2018-07-31T00:31:32 < mawk> you can solder a resonator if you want
2018-07-31T00:31:38 < mawk> if you absolutely wan
2018-07-31T00:31:38 < mawk> t
2018-07-31T00:31:49 < capacitor> nah it'll do for what it does
2018-07-31T00:32:07 < capacitor> i only bought it to play with some LCD and I2C crap
2018-07-31T00:32:19 < mawk> HSI clock works fine for everything else than usb
2018-07-31T00:32:21 < mawk> I guess
2018-07-31T00:32:32 < englishman> and on f0
2018-07-31T00:32:33 < capacitor> yeah i can't see any drama using HSI
2018-07-31T00:32:36 < englishman> xtal-less usb !!!
2018-07-31T00:32:38 < englishman> also super handy
2018-07-31T00:32:46 < capacitor> that's kinda cool
2018-07-31T00:33:39 < Steffanx> But no free keil
2018-07-31T00:33:41 < mawk> the L1 I have can do that too, according to ST code examples for the board
2018-07-31T00:33:48 < mawk> even though cube mx complains about it
2018-07-31T00:33:50 < Steffanx> Oh f0.
2018-07-31T00:34:51 < Steffanx> L0 can, afaik L1 isnt supposed to do xtal less usb
2018-07-31T00:35:05 < Steffanx> Although it works, sometimes.
2018-07-31T00:35:35 < zyp> only parts with HSI48/CRS can, f0 were the first having that, l1 is older
2018-07-31T00:36:03 < Steffanx> Nah, L1 can do it, but.. good luck doing it in a real product.
2018-07-31T00:36:04 < zyp> AFAIK f0, l0 and l4 provides parts with it, but there might be others too
2018-07-31T00:36:16 < zyp> by can, I mean «are rated to»
2018-07-31T00:36:22 < Steffanx> Heh yes
2018-07-31T00:36:36 < capacitor> m
2018-07-31T00:37:04 < zyp> I remember I provided an early firmware for some l0 based thing to a pal, it ran from HSI48 but I didn't enable CRS
2018-07-31T00:37:13 < zyp> it ran for some hours and then the usb connection failed
2018-07-31T00:40:49 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xU329RZkLb_lGWycClT4lxZL2k8gfwSA/view?usp=sharing
2018-07-31T00:41:04 < kakimir> how many times you have stopped at the bottom?
2018-07-31T00:46:45 < kakimir> do you recognize the graph?
2018-07-31T00:48:54 < zyp> that's not how my projects usually go
2018-07-31T00:50:10 < zyp> my projects usually start on an upcurve; «let's try this idea», «cool, it works», «hey, this is fun»
2018-07-31T00:50:24 < zyp> and then comes «okay, this is a bit tedious», and projects tend to die there
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2018-07-31T00:58:57 < mawk> according to the electrical schematics the blue button of nucleo boards is debounced with a capacitor
2018-07-31T00:59:03 < mawk> nonsense
2018-07-31T00:59:05 < mawk> it is very bouncy
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2018-07-31T01:04:22 < capacitor> boing
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2018-07-31T01:27:51 < capacitor> lol
2018-07-31T01:27:57 < capacitor> the tram just missed a stop
2018-07-31T01:28:19 < capacitor> and the guy who was rambling on incoherent nonsense nonstop next to the driver asked what happened
2018-07-31T01:28:33 < capacitor> i said "maybe he was distracted because somebody wouldn't stop talking"
2018-07-31T01:28:59 < Laurenceb__> u know what to do
2018-07-31T01:29:07 < Laurenceb__> CONDUCTOR WE HAVE A PROBLEM
2018-07-31T01:29:11 < capacitor> he just shut up straight away
2018-07-31T01:29:23 < capacitor> and is sitting there in silence
2018-07-31T01:30:14 < capacitor> he was telling the driver about his heritage Laurenceb__ 
2018-07-31T01:30:33 < capacitor> something about people being shot and all this ridiculous 3rd world nigger crap
2018-07-31T01:30:59 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ZAlKsWj_U
2018-07-31T01:33:31 < capacitor> pm me it i'll watch it later lol
2018-07-31T01:34:21 < capacitor> lol now asian woman is clipping her fingernails across from me
2018-07-31T01:34:26 < capacitor> chunks are flying everwhere
2018-07-31T01:34:46 < Laurenceb__> the absolute state of Aus
2018-07-31T01:35:26 < capacitor> there is like a little pile of clipping on her handbag
2018-07-31T01:35:46 < Laurenceb__> lel I just got b& from 8chan
2018-07-31T01:35:53 < capacitor> she's doing the full job
2018-07-31T01:35:56 < capacitor> all 10 fingers
2018-07-31T01:35:59 < Laurenceb__> for shitposting about the Polish masterrace
2018-07-31T01:36:01 < capacitor> not just a quick touch up
2018-07-31T01:37:08 < capacitor> it reminds me of the old housemate's cat that'd groom its own nails
2018-07-31T01:37:18 < capacitor> and leave a pile of them in a corner
2018-07-31T01:38:00 < capacitor> oh shes got the nail file out now
2018-07-31T01:38:51 < capacitor> i feel like that wildlife doco guy
2018-07-31T01:40:07 < capacitor> oh she just brushed it all off herself and onto the floor
2018-07-31T01:40:32 < capacitor> asian fingernails on me tram floor
2018-07-31T01:41:07 < Laurenceb__>  >fingernailposting
2018-07-31T01:41:08 < capacitor> Laurenceb__: how on earth does one get banned from a place like that
2018-07-31T01:41:23 < Laurenceb__> capacitor: 4 shitposting
2018-07-31T01:41:25 < capacitor> other than posting something unspeakably disgusting like CP
2018-07-31T01:41:33 < Laurenceb__> I got banned for bassetposting before
2018-07-31T01:41:46 < Laurenceb__> spam boards with videos of basset hounds
2018-07-31T01:42:05 < capacitor> quality time right
2018-07-31T01:42:23 < Laurenceb__> sealposting is the latest raiding technique
2018-07-31T01:42:33 < Laurenceb__> before that it was crabposting
2018-07-31T01:42:36 < capacitor> the raids
2018-07-31T01:42:57 < capacitor> back in my day we'd throw severed cocks at feminists 
2018-07-31T01:43:03 < Laurenceb__> >can I interest anyone in a discussion of Basset Hound grooming??
2018-07-31T01:43:07 < capacitor> (their husband's)
2018-07-31T01:43:15 < Laurenceb__>  (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
2018-07-31T01:43:21 < capacitor> ty
2018-07-31T01:44:08 < Laurenceb__> ppl would copypasta gigabytes of rnews articles about crabs from google news
2018-07-31T01:44:23 < Laurenceb__> then spam all the boards using bots
2018-07-31T01:44:45 < capacitor> cool ones
2018-07-31T01:45:00 < capacitor> i'm more of a duck person than a crab person
2018-07-31T01:45:26 < capacitor> i'm not talking about that duckroll bs tho
2018-07-31T01:45:43 < capacitor> i just like ducks because they're funny, other people should agree
2018-07-31T01:46:32 < capacitor> my self invented religion is 'quack'
2018-07-31T01:46:42 < capacitor> only rule is do not eat the ducks
2018-07-31T01:47:29 < englishman> asian fingernails on me tram floor
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2018-07-31T01:47:50 < capacitor> id take a pic but she's still sitting in them
2018-07-31T01:49:54 < capacitor> H. P. Bongers
2018-07-31T01:53:19 < capacitor> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/AbMIelMT/IMG_1721.JPG
2018-07-31T01:59:36 < Laurenceb__> >1960 : by 2018 we will have flying cars
2018-07-31T01:59:54 < Laurenceb__> >2018 : we have chronic shitposting and no flying cars
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2018-07-31T02:00:43 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/17VkncSbHKQqpmPlJ663KAytn1s7yXBML/view?usp=sharing emo - "mother" chilling
2018-07-31T02:01:19 < kakimir> englishman: capacitor 
2018-07-31T02:02:06 < kakimir> it's just waking up after a day of sleeping on that stump
2018-07-31T02:05:56 < capacitor> catpacitor
2018-07-31T02:06:46 < Steffanx> Y u no work capacitor?
2018-07-31T02:07:07 < Steffanx> Dont call in sick mate
2018-07-31T02:07:17 < capacitor> Starting late today
2018-07-31T02:13:20 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MdP-G-dpacNBWxDW4u4ICzzQxKSyClQv/view?usp=sharing time to go hunt mice
2018-07-31T02:13:57 < capacitor> Good kitto
2018-07-31T02:15:13 < capacitor> Pedos in the speedos
2018-07-31T02:18:34 < englishman> kakimir: did you get fired
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2018-07-31T02:19:08 < kakimir> no
2018-07-31T02:24:46 < englishman> a well timed stump photo
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2018-07-31T02:30:44 < Cracki> awww kitteh
2018-07-31T02:38:26 < Laurenceb__> >wait a second, how the fuck are you supposed to 'win' Love Island
2018-07-31T02:38:35 < Laurenceb__> >>Catch AIDS and every other std including Super Gonorrhea
2018-07-31T02:49:21 < Cracki> the only winning move is not to play?
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2018-07-31T03:04:49 < capacitor> Now here’s a bunch of cunts
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2018-07-31T04:39:29 < aandrew> attn altium pros
2018-07-31T04:39:30 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/a/KVzJ4sK
2018-07-31T04:39:39 < aandrew> is there a better way of doing this? this is driving me nuts
2018-07-31T04:40:05 < aandrew> I don't know if there's a way to have a sheet entry that is a BUS so I have to break out each individual fucking signal like a chump
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2018-07-31T04:56:24 < englishman> Lol, tesla has run out of money so turned to preorders for a tesla brand surfboard, delivery in 10 weeks.
2018-07-31T04:56:42 < englishman> earnings report is out Sunday 4pm.
2018-07-31T04:56:47 < englishman> Wednesday*
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2018-07-31T05:33:54 < dongs> how long until tesla-branded dildo
2018-07-31T05:34:02 < dongs> for all the investors to stick in their ass
2018-07-31T05:35:17 < englishman> only $1999
2018-07-31T05:39:19 < dongs> damn, i connected my P20 to usbc>displayport shit and to my 4K screen and it just works
2018-07-31T05:39:30 < dongs> not only that, it shows an actual desktop on the monitor
2018-07-31T05:39:40 < dongs> and apps like google maps/etc run in windows that you can move around
2018-07-31T05:39:55 < dongs> phone becomes a mouse/touchpad and/or you can do a bt mouse/keyboard
2018-07-31T05:40:57 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/vYM7WkQ.jpg
2018-07-31T06:00:50 < jadew> image does not exist
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2018-07-31T06:12:08 < aandrew> dongs: any ideas on my pic
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2018-07-31T06:20:00 < tgeeky> hello; I finally overcame my problems re: serial communication to a 'blue pill' stm32f103c board, and now am able to upload a usb bootloader to it; but I can't connect to that; I eventually get
2018-07-31T06:20:17 < tgeeky> "unable to enumerate USB device on port 1"; i wanted to check before I chase down another blind alleyway that I am using the right binary
2018-07-31T06:31:11 < aandrew> ooh, just discovered smart paste for taking a shitton of net lables and making ports
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2018-07-31T06:52:07 < dongs> aandrew: saw it. donmt undrstand teh question.
2018-07-31T06:52:19 < dongs> you can make it so nets don't need sheet connectosr to be active across sheets
2018-07-31T06:52:27 < dongs> either that or just draw your schematic on A0 or something
2018-07-31T06:57:21 < dongs> but yeah that repeaT() shit is cancer in altium
2018-07-31T06:57:27 < dongs> very buggy and shit
2018-07-31T06:57:38 < dongs> the few times i tried to use it, i always had to hack around some bug to make it work
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2018-07-31T08:42:42 < capacitor> What’d your daddy do, was he a coal miner? does he stink of the laaaaamp?
2018-07-31T08:43:19 < Haohmaru> o_O
2018-07-31T08:43:54  * Haohmaru checks if he's in the right channel/network/dimmension
2018-07-31T08:43:56 < capacitor> You know what you look like to me? With your good bag and cheap shoes?
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2018-07-31T09:51:04 < capacitor> Layer stack manager
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2018-07-31T10:56:59 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsdCGV0cY0s
2018-07-31T10:59:09 < capacitor> hi jadew
2018-07-31T10:59:15 < jadew> hi
2018-07-31T10:59:18 < capacitor> can you tell me about that linK?
2018-07-31T10:59:25 < jadew> funny shit
2018-07-31T10:59:46 < jadew> SFW
2018-07-31T10:59:53 < jadew> maybe...
2018-07-31T10:59:56 < capacitor> hmmm
2018-07-31T10:59:58 < capacitor> funny ey
2018-07-31T11:00:02 < capacitor> blaxter funny?
2018-07-31T11:00:07 < jadew> maybe it's not SFW, depends where you work
2018-07-31T11:00:11 < jadew> I don't know what blaxter is
2018-07-31T11:00:47 < capacitor> it's a new drug going around irc
2018-07-31T11:00:57 < capacitor> gets you banned a lot if you take too much
2018-07-31T11:01:53 < capacitor> not very popular with the dutch people either
2018-07-31T11:02:10 < jadew> sounds fun
2018-07-31T11:02:18 < capacitor> fun is
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2018-07-31T11:23:38 < c10ud> wtf git completely ignores a directory already in the tree
2018-07-31T11:26:02 < Haohmaru> ignorant git is ignorant
2018-07-31T11:28:29 < c10ud> it's not catched by .gitignore or any other weird git file, that's insane
2018-07-31T11:30:55 < dongs> git being insane
2018-07-31T11:31:00 < dongs> sounds about right
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2018-07-31T11:34:50 < Thorn> c10ud: is the directory empty?
2018-07-31T11:35:07 < c10ud> Thorn, nope, it's in history already also
2018-07-31T11:35:33 < c10ud> if I rename it it's seen by git status, but ofc it's a new one
2018-07-31T11:37:03 < c10ud> it's stuck to 3 months ago, what the fuck
2018-07-31T11:37:32 < Haohmaru> hash collision thing? ;P~
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2018-07-31T11:39:47 < c10ud> it looks like some weird interaction between msys2 and windows
2018-07-31T11:39:54 < c10ud> because now it's not seen even by renaming
2018-07-31T11:40:30 < c10ud> oh no, my bad, it was another dir
2018-07-31T11:40:55 < c10ud> I'll just clone again
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2018-07-31T11:45:57 < dongs> lolm, lunix garbage breaks on a real OS
2018-07-31T11:45:58 < dongs> what a shock
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2018-07-31T11:49:36 < capacitor> clone
2018-07-31T11:49:36 < c10ud> dongs, wb, where have you been
2018-07-31T11:49:42 < c10ud> opensourcing?
2018-07-31T11:49:45 < dongs> away, and will be in 12 more hours
2018-07-31T11:50:53 < zyp> busy times
2018-07-31T11:51:24 < dongs> yeah all the dickstarters are catching up with me
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2018-07-31T12:01:37 < dongs> https://github.com/vim/vim-win32-installer/releases what is the fucking point?
2018-07-31T12:01:42 < dongs> six fucking hundred releases
2018-07-31T12:01:50 < dongs> what does  a nigga download when he just wants a working .exe?
2018-07-31T12:01:56 < dongs> this is the kinda shit thats wrong with opensores
2018-07-31T12:03:54 < Haohmaru> six hundred? i see 32/64bit zip/exe and "pdb" (debug version maybe?)
2018-07-31T12:04:10 < dongs>  672 releases
2018-07-31T12:04:10 < dongs>  3 contributors
2018-07-31T12:04:17 < dongs> theres a new fuc\king zip every day
2018-07-31T12:04:24 < dongs> with no indication if any of that shit actually works
2018-07-31T12:06:42 < Cracki> you expect a test suite to go all green on this?
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2018-07-31T12:07:02 < Cracki> vim users don't use windows. it's not l33t enough.
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2018-07-31T12:09:41 < Haohmaru> windows users use notepad.exe ;P~
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2018-07-31T12:09:52 < Haohmaru> or whatever there is in "Accessories" ;P~
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2018-07-31T12:13:04 < capacitor> vim
2018-07-31T12:13:20 < capacitor> vi vi vi, the editor of the beast
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2018-07-31T12:14:56 < Steffanx> Where is you big mouth when you have to tell some asian lady to fuck off?
2018-07-31T12:15:00 < Steffanx> capacitor.
2018-07-31T12:15:24 < dongs> are you guys misbehaving
2018-07-31T12:15:59 < Steffanx> Re tram finget nail clipping
2018-07-31T12:16:09 < Steffanx> Finger*
2018-07-31T12:16:19 < capacitor> i thought it was hilarious
2018-07-31T12:16:31 < Cracki> the number 6 has lots of special meanings in history...
2018-07-31T12:16:44 < Cracki> toe nail clippings? emacs?
2018-07-31T12:17:12 < capacitor> nah some middle aged asian woman started cutting her fingernails on the tram across from me
2018-07-31T12:17:18 < Haohmaru> which small number doesn't have lots of special meanings in history?
2018-07-31T12:17:39 < Steffanx> Define small
2018-07-31T12:17:58 < Haohmaru> less than 20
2018-07-31T12:18:04 < capacitor> is 21 ok
2018-07-31T12:18:10 < Haohmaru> NO! >:(
2018-07-31T12:18:21 < Haohmaru> that's huge
2018-07-31T12:18:33 < capacitor> well
2018-07-31T12:18:36 < capacitor> muh dick
2018-07-31T12:18:44 < capacitor> or w/ever
2018-07-31T12:18:54 < Haohmaru> that wasn't the question
2018-07-31T12:18:56 < capacitor> in other news i got my i7 6700 box back
2018-07-31T12:18:57 < dongs> i clip my fingernails at my desk
2018-07-31T12:19:06 < dongs> whats wrong wiht that
2018-07-31T12:19:06 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2018-07-31T12:19:12 < Laurenceb__> fingernailchan
2018-07-31T12:19:19 < dongs> if I had free time i'd do it on a tram too
2018-07-31T12:19:20 < capacitor> but i've already replaced it
2018-07-31T12:19:38 < Laurenceb__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basset_Hound https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basset_Hound
2018-07-31T12:19:58 < Haohmaru> *** url intensifies
2018-07-31T12:20:00 < capacitor> my friend has just broken up with his wife so i'll give it to him for some hentai games
2018-07-31T12:20:27 < capacitor> that's a funny looking dog
2018-07-31T12:20:45 < Laurenceb__> I fondly remember the days of sealposting
2018-07-31T12:20:51 < capacitor> he recently suggested we go to some asian country and fuck hookers
2018-07-31T12:20:59 < Cracki> get stds
2018-07-31T12:20:59 < capacitor> nty
2018-07-31T12:24:18 < Haohmaru> maybe dip them in ultrasonic bath with 100% isopropanol first
2018-07-31T12:24:52 < jadew> dave jones visited my website :P
2018-07-31T12:25:19 < Haohmaru> who dat
2018-07-31T12:25:24 < jadew> eevblog
2018-07-31T12:25:36 < capacitor> 私に触手をすべて贈
2018-07-31T12:25:41 < Haohmaru> oh, teh steve eerwin of electronics
2018-07-31T12:25:51 < capacitor> i hate it 
2018-07-31T12:25:56 < Cracki> he never stuck his thumb in a PSU
2018-07-31T12:25:59 < Cracki> or did he
2018-07-31T12:27:40 < Haohmaru> no but there's some british dude who has funny videos including one where he blows up an dumb PIC with high voltage
2018-07-31T12:28:00 < Haohmaru> a video which warmed my heart
2018-07-31T12:28:30 < jadew> Haohmaru, have you seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv_P-54lzDc
2018-07-31T12:29:11 < Haohmaru> wtf.. did youtube just rotate the video player on the webpage?! O_o
2018-07-31T12:29:30 < jadew> lol
2018-07-31T12:29:33 < Haohmaru> oh no, it must have been shot in portrait mode
2018-07-31T12:29:35 < Haohmaru> dumb
2018-07-31T12:30:12 < Haohmaru> so, wtf is that? do i need to be hearing the sound?
2018-07-31T12:31:25 < Haohmaru> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sSFUVL-bqc
2018-07-31T12:32:57 < Haohmaru> ^ this video has been made with lots of love and care, u can't not love it
2018-07-31T12:33:52 < capacitor> what is it
2018-07-31T12:34:06 < capacitor> should I watch the one jadew posted earlier first?
2018-07-31T12:34:21 < Haohmaru> both are SFW, i guarantee it
2018-07-31T12:34:28 < capacitor> yeah
2018-07-31T12:34:30 < jadew> he knows the one I linked
2018-07-31T12:34:35 < capacitor> just like the columbine anime
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2018-07-31T12:35:07 < capacitor> oh the microchip certified consultant blowing up their product
2018-07-31T12:35:15 < capacitor> makes sense
2018-07-31T12:35:38 < capacitor> i remember that ethernet fuckhole they made with 250,000 pages of errata
2018-07-31T12:37:23 < dongs> < Haohmaru> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sSFUVL-bqc absolutely shit and anticlimatic
2018-07-31T12:38:18 < Haohmaru> anti-wat?
2018-07-31T12:38:48 < Thorn> climate haters
2018-07-31T12:41:33 < Haohmaru> because i said that it "warms my heart" ?!
2018-07-31T12:42:59 < capacitor> that moment when you find out china girl has a penis
2018-07-31T12:43:35 < Haohmaru> if it's smaller than 20cm then it's "very very tiny"
2018-07-31T12:43:53 < Steffanx> Theys why some people have a microscope.
2018-07-31T12:44:00 < Steffanx> Thats.
2018-07-31T12:44:16  * Haohmaru buys Steffanx a new keyboard
2018-07-31T12:44:23 < Steffanx> Phone.
2018-07-31T12:44:35 < Haohmaru> aww, wtf
2018-07-31T12:44:44 < Steffanx> Semi auto complete.
2018-07-31T12:45:16 < Haohmaru> i tried to type a url into a huawei smartphone the other day
2018-07-31T12:45:25 < Haohmaru> there's no dash
2018-07-31T12:45:27 < Haohmaru> dafuq
2018-07-31T12:45:36 < Steffanx> Lies.
2018-07-31T12:45:44 < capacitor> the dirty huawei
2018-07-31T12:45:45 < Haohmaru> i couldn't find it
2018-07-31T12:45:46 < Steffanx> –
2018-07-31T12:45:51 < Steffanx> —
2018-07-31T12:45:55 < capacitor> it makes me happy
2018-07-31T12:45:56 < Haohmaru> i mean the - symbol
2018-07-31T12:46:00 < Steffanx> -
2018-07-31T12:46:02 < capacitor> idk what happened to my huawei
2018-07-31T12:46:14 < Steffanx> Every android kb has it.
2018-07-31T12:46:24 < Haohmaru> maybe it's hidden somewhere
2018-07-31T12:46:25 < Steffanx> Otherwise install a proper kb
2018-07-31T12:46:34 < BrainDamage> the keyboard layout is not fixed
2018-07-31T12:46:43 < Haohmaru> i don't use it
2018-07-31T12:46:50 < BrainDamage> it changes depending on the context
2018-07-31T12:47:12 < BrainDamage> if the field is a url, it'll eg bring some symbols in the front and hide others
2018-07-31T12:47:21 < Haohmaru> yeah i managed to change it to uppercase, numpad, etc.. but no dash symbol
2018-07-31T12:47:26 < BrainDamage> generally the others get showed in submenu
2018-07-31T12:47:37 < BrainDamage> try holding a key
2018-07-31T12:47:39 < Haohmaru> otherwise it had a ".com" button >:/
2018-07-31T12:47:52 < BrainDamage> exactly, that's a url layout
2018-07-31T12:47:58 < Steffanx> Pebkac :p
2018-07-31T12:48:07 < Haohmaru> too late, for once it could've been useful.. and it didn't do the job
2018-07-31T12:48:26 < Steffanx> Yeah better use your iphone
2018-07-31T12:48:30 < Steffanx> Like capacitor 
2018-07-31T12:48:36 < Haohmaru> ain't that the same sh*t
2018-07-31T12:49:30 < capacitor> i'd stop using iphone if i could be bothered
2018-07-31T12:50:35 < Haohmaru> there was a storm the other day, and power went out for over an hour, i wanted to phone the power company but couldn't find their phone, so i thought "maybe this dumb smartphone can be useful if i manage to enable its internetz and go to the website"
2018-07-31T12:51:20 < Haohmaru> nope, but i found a little card with their phone printed on it, so..
2018-07-31T12:53:03 < Haohmaru> i expected that..
2018-07-31T12:53:52 < Haohmaru> if once in 10 years you fall in some hole and you dial 112 for help - it'd be out of battery probably
2018-07-31T12:54:35 < Haohmaru> or it'll crash, or run out of ram
2018-07-31T12:55:24 < Haohmaru> or it'll dial the wrong number ;P~
2018-07-31T13:01:47 < capacitor> 私にすべての触手を与える
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2018-07-31T13:15:19 < jpa-> uhhuh, finland is in trouble, we have rain warning, thunderstorm warning, forest fire warning, heatwave warning and uv warning simultaneously
2018-07-31T13:15:37 < BrainDamage> hopefully not in the same place
2018-07-31T13:15:42 < jpa-> in same place
2018-07-31T13:15:51 < jadew> acid rain
2018-07-31T13:16:07 < capacitor> wait wtf
2018-07-31T13:16:08 < jadew> and UV passes through clouds, so it's fine
2018-07-31T13:16:16 < capacitor> you get warnings for all that shit?
2018-07-31T13:16:19 < capacitor> o.O
2018-07-31T13:16:38 < jpa-> http://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/warnings   it's a scary place
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2018-07-31T13:16:55 < Steffanx> Stvn has a snow warning, you dont have that in fibland
2018-07-31T13:17:03 < Steffanx> Finland.
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2018-07-31T13:17:12 < capacitor> wtf are you on about steffan??
2018-07-31T13:17:30 < Steffanx> Idk
2018-07-31T13:17:35 < Steffanx> !wz melbourne
2018-07-31T13:17:37 < englishbot> [Melbourne, Australia] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 11.2°C. Humidity: 80%.
2018-07-31T13:17:41 < tomeaton17> toasty
2018-07-31T13:18:23 < capacitor> i don't think that means we're gonna die
2018-07-31T13:18:40 < capacitor> i want to hide in onkalo
2018-07-31T13:20:02 < Steffanx> Ilmatie, is that the crap l.b. talks about often jpa- ? "Ilmatie" confirmed
2018-07-31T13:20:49 < jpa-> i'm not sure, i haven't followed l.b. so carefully
2018-07-31T13:21:01 < jpa-> there isn't actually a word boundary at that point though
2018-07-31T13:21:08 < jpa-> ilma-tieteen-laitos
2018-07-31T13:22:10 < capacitor> m
2018-07-31T13:27:15 < karlp> blaxteritis seems to be spreading here recently. 
2018-07-31T13:27:20 < karlp> not in a good way.
2018-07-31T13:27:33 < Steffanx> Im sorry karlp.
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2018-07-31T13:28:07 < capacitor> who is infected
2018-07-31T13:28:11 < capacitor> is it easy to spot
2018-07-31T13:28:32 < Steffanx> We can always make you OP and stop it from spreading :p
2018-07-31T13:28:58 < Steffanx> capacitor for sure, steffanx probably too.
2018-07-31T13:28:58 < jpa-> the original imposter
2018-07-31T13:28:58 < capacitor> yeah make him op
2018-07-31T13:29:49 < Cracki> ruled people become unruly ;)
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2018-07-31T13:31:48 < Steffanx> Anyway karlp what can we do it about? Whats is accepted and what is not?
2018-07-31T13:32:00 < Steffanx> When is it offtopic and when is it blaxteritis?
2018-07-31T13:32:09 < Steffanx> About it*
2018-07-31T13:32:13  * karlp shrugs.
2018-07-31T13:32:23 < karlp> just generally lower SNR than before.
2018-07-31T13:33:04 < Steffanx> Im not sure about that. Years ago we had the blaxter ratio.
2018-07-31T13:33:09 < Haohmaru> we need a noise meter bot
2018-07-31T13:33:12 < Cracki> I estimate SNR from current average line length
2018-07-31T13:33:23 < BrainDamage> repeating something infinite times does't make it funny
2018-07-31T13:33:34 < Haohmaru> Cracki tinyurl
2018-07-31T13:34:26 < Cracki> noi.se/signal
2018-07-31T13:34:35 < Haohmaru> who are we kidding? this channel will never be normal due to certain people
2018-07-31T13:34:55 < Cracki> and that's not a bad thing
2018-07-31T13:35:02 < Haohmaru> i'm not gonna say their names, i'm just gonna look at them
2018-07-31T13:35:14  * Haohmaru looks at certain people o_o
2018-07-31T13:35:27 < Steffanx> What id normal... But karlp is kinda right. It IS getting out of hand (again)
2018-07-31T13:36:00 < Haohmaru> so what?
2018-07-31T13:36:06 < Cracki> your fingertip/phone display ratio is too high
2018-07-31T13:36:22 < Haohmaru> start effectively enforcing the rules?
2018-07-31T13:36:39 < Haohmaru> certain people are probably above the rules ;P~
2018-07-31T13:36:48 < Steffanx> Its not good, Haohmaru. People leave and new people dont stay.
2018-07-31T13:37:06 < Haohmaru> i'm new, i "stayed"
2018-07-31T13:37:15 < Cracki> I stayed for the mix.
2018-07-31T13:37:29 < capacitor> leeloominai left
2018-07-31T13:37:31 < tomeaton17> Are you saying people get scared away by the autism?
2018-07-31T13:37:35 < Steffanx> Both of you dont even stm32 :P
2018-07-31T13:38:09 < Haohmaru> i stayed hoping that maybe i'll learn something bout stm32 or arm
2018-07-31T13:38:15 < capacitor> i thought this was the place to go once graduating 
2018-07-31T13:38:36 < Haohmaru> i learnt about senpai, swearing, <that forbidden topic>, and autism
2018-07-31T13:39:10 < capacitor> wtf is senpai
2018-07-31T13:39:28 < Haohmaru> when i did have questions, i did get answers from a few people who otherwise don't talk much
2018-07-31T13:39:56 < capacitor> that's to be expected
2018-07-31T13:40:26 < Haohmaru> the rest is "noise" and IMO it's normal to have "noise" in a similar channel
2018-07-31T13:40:36 < Haohmaru> but the color of the noise here is far from "white"
2018-07-31T13:40:58 < Cracki> that's how it is
2018-07-31T13:40:59 < Haohmaru> it's more brown-yellow-green
2018-07-31T13:41:14 < Cracki> this is one of the few places where you aren't tone-policed
2018-07-31T13:41:23 < Cracki> which is great and refreshing.
2018-07-31T13:41:56 < Cracki> and greatly relieves anxiety you normally experience when under the rule of speech codes
2018-07-31T13:42:02 < Steffanx> But..still when its more crap than stm32 there is something wrong.
2018-07-31T13:42:06 < Haohmaru> it's very refreshing to see every bad word in english slang (plus new ones) in a matter of 20 sentences
2018-07-31T13:42:50 < capacitor> we aim for <5
2018-07-31T13:42:52 < Steffanx> And to be honest, some are here foe nothing but the crap.
2018-07-31T13:42:59 < Steffanx> For*
2018-07-31T13:43:08 < Haohmaru> sure
2018-07-31T13:43:18 < tomeaton17> Also be careful to not spam questions, they don't like that here :p
2018-07-31T13:43:18 < Steffanx> Isnt it capacitor ?
2018-07-31T13:43:22 < capacitor> the widlar current mirror
2018-07-31T13:44:44 < Haohmaru> Steffanx i no longer need stm32/arm for teh job (at least, for now), but i am still personally interested in arm
2018-07-31T13:44:57 < dongs> qwhat do you use at the job now
2018-07-31T13:45:00 < dongs> pic32?
2018-07-31T13:45:18 < capacitor> i use stm32 shits
2018-07-31T13:45:39 < Haohmaru> no, we stepped back with the desired functionallity, so we keep the current ICs (xmega)
2018-07-31T13:47:09 < capacitor> and analog devices shits
2018-07-31T13:47:34 < Haohmaru> besides, my bootloader turned out quite THICC i'm not sure if i'd managed to fit it theoretically in the stm32 i had chosen
2018-07-31T13:47:47 < Haohmaru> i don't remember the details tho, might be just fine
2018-07-31T13:48:01 < Cracki> ah you were putting everything but the kitchen sink in the bootloader
2018-07-31T13:48:08 < Haohmaru> yiz
2018-07-31T13:48:12 < Cracki> how does that compare to what you do with xmegas?
2018-07-31T13:48:19 < Cracki> do they get a bl too?
2018-07-31T13:48:23 < Haohmaru> wut
2018-07-31T13:48:45 < Cracki> you said "we stepped back with functionality, ... we keep ... xmega"
2018-07-31T13:48:46 < Haohmaru> my bootloader is running on xmega right now
2018-07-31T13:48:49 < Cracki> ic
2018-07-31T13:49:19 < Haohmaru> nah, the bootloader functionality stays the same, the "firmware" functionality was gonna be 50% uber flexible and 50% unknown yet
2018-07-31T13:49:44 < Cracki> just wondering if you picked a roomy xmega and a cramped arm
2018-07-31T13:49:46 < Haohmaru> that's why i thought i should pick bigger/fasturr chips
2018-07-31T13:49:46 < capacitor> so all is well
2018-07-31T13:49:58 < Cracki> ah
2018-07-31T13:50:11 < Cracki> flexible because customer can't make their mind up?
2018-07-31T13:50:21 < Haohmaru> customer/boss
2018-07-31T13:50:25 < Haohmaru> no idea
2018-07-31T13:50:36 < Cracki> yes, "the one who makes the wishes"
2018-07-31T13:50:42 < Haohmaru> eggzactly
2018-07-31T13:52:49 < Haohmaru> in theory, i could still use an stm32 "one day" to make a new ethernet module compatible with this one
2018-07-31T13:52:55 < Haohmaru> (i doubt tho)
2018-07-31T13:53:57 < capacitor> yeah i like to blow it up
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2018-07-31T13:55:18  * Haohmaru charges the capacitor to -3.3V
2018-07-31T13:55:30 < capacitor> what of it
2018-07-31T13:55:40 < Cracki> electrolytes spray everywhere
2018-07-31T13:55:44 < capacitor> X7R 25v
2018-07-31T13:55:52 < capacitor> you stupid nigge
2018-07-31T13:56:25  * Haohmaru sneaks out quietly
2018-07-31T13:58:18 < Haohmaru> maybe one solution would be to do like some other channels do, make an "offtopic" or "social" version of the channel
2018-07-31T13:58:29 < capacitor> i asked about 50 million times
2018-07-31T13:58:31 < Haohmaru> in our case, an "ontopic" version
2018-07-31T13:58:43 < Haohmaru> ##stm32-ontopic or some such
2018-07-31T13:59:06 < Haohmaru> and enforce the rules there with no compromises
2018-07-31T13:59:44 < capacitor> yeah offtopic will be a safespace for blaxtering
2018-07-31T14:01:09 < Haohmaru> but my nose tells me he'll keep coming <here>
2018-07-31T14:01:38 < Haohmaru> in any case, this is not a great solution
2018-07-31T14:04:28 < Steffanx> Or people, me included, should learn to behave a bit or shut the fuck up, Haohmaru 
2018-07-31T14:04:55 < Haohmaru> <aintnobodygottimefodat.gif>
2018-07-31T14:05:26 < Thorn> received limesdr mini, now what
2018-07-31T14:07:11 < tomeaton17> Going to annoy some people in the ##stm32 revolution
2018-07-31T14:07:34 < capacitor> oki
2018-07-31T14:07:47 < capacitor> i can always go back to talking dirty with steffan in PM
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2018-07-31T14:20:07 < Haohmaru> nah, there's nothing wrong with this channel the way it is..
2018-07-31T14:21:09 < dongs> what it needs is more LPC chat
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2018-07-31T14:21:23 < Haohmaru> lpc? nxp arm?
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2018-07-31T14:21:39 < Steffanx> that's still more ontopic than the other crap.
2018-07-31T14:21:47 < Haohmaru> certainly
2018-07-31T14:22:38 < Thorn> >implying lpc is crap
2018-07-31T14:22:39 < Haohmaru> it doesn't matter to me, i was already "scarred" by the "crap" here, so i'm no longer "scared"
2018-07-31T14:23:18 < Haohmaru> i'll be scared if you start talking SNEK too often ;P~
2018-07-31T14:27:27 < jpa-> this channel is on-topic enough for me
2018-07-31T14:28:24 < Haohmaru> maybe cuz the sh*t starts happening while ur away
2018-07-31T14:28:45 < Haohmaru> i blame timezones
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2018-07-31T14:30:09 < Steffanx> Only rule that probably needs to be reinforced (was mainly a rule for just laurenceb ): Dont go totally offtopic when people are (trying to be) ontopic.
2018-07-31T14:30:38 < Steffanx> Especially not: Join the channel and post crap right away.
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2018-07-31T14:37:02 < bitmask> damn you trianglelab, hurry the f up
2018-07-31T14:38:39 < Thorn> I'm also waiting for an order from them to arrive
2018-07-31T14:38:56 < Thorn> looks like China Post is slow this summer
2018-07-31T14:39:44 < bitmask> I placed the order on the 17th. I normally wouldn't mind but I broke the heat break throat while installing my brand new genuine titan aero. I can't try it out until I get a new throat
2018-07-31T14:41:34 < Steffanx> Thats why you shouldnt order from china when you "need" something fast ;)
2018-07-31T14:42:09 < bitmask> I ordered stuff from trianglelab as spares, I broke the throat after I placed the order
2018-07-31T14:42:29 < bitmask> I did place another order from a local ebayer but that wont be here until thursday either
2018-07-31T14:42:51 < aandrew> dongs: oh the repeat is fine. I'm talking about having to break out every single signal as sheet entries in the differential pair shit
2018-07-31T14:43:45 < aandrew> was hoping there'd be a way to say "START_P[0..4]" as a sheet entry and "START_N[0..4]" as another instead of putting down (and breaking out) ten signals
2018-07-31T14:44:12 < aandrew> also the bus naming is insanity... how do you sanely name the signals in the bus if you need a net label that is 400 pixels wide
2018-07-31T14:44:36 < karlp> what's a "heat break throat" ?
2018-07-31T14:45:24 < dongs> yeah so just dont use sheet entrries
2018-07-31T14:45:28 < dongs> just make all nets span sheets
2018-07-31T14:45:29 < dongs> who cares.
2018-07-31T14:45:33 < bitmask> its an externally threaded hollow tube that the filament goes through the heat block and into the nozzle
2018-07-31T14:45:53 < bitmask> 3d printer stuffz
2018-07-31T14:47:10 < Thorn> I received my first printer parts  today. 5 nema17 motors 
2018-07-31T14:47:24 < bitmask> you go with 0.9 or 1.8
2018-07-31T14:47:30 < dongs> so by next year you'll get the other parts?
2018-07-31T14:48:09 < Thorn> 200 steps so 1.8
2018-07-31T14:48:27 < bitmask> thats what mine came with, I got 0.9 for my pen plotter, I might swap em eventually
2018-07-31T14:48:34 < Thorn> I don't recall seeing 400 step motors on aliexpress
2018-07-31T14:49:39 < bitmask> gotta go, bbl
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2018-07-31T14:55:09 < Thorn> the wires included with them are hair thin
2018-07-31T14:55:32 < Thorn> >1.7A
2018-07-31T14:56:41 < Cracki> if you need fancy motors, check out "oriental"
2018-07-31T14:57:14 < Cracki> I got some 5(!)-phase steppers off ebay. very funny things. hell to find affordable drivers for them
2018-07-31T14:57:37 < Cracki> so what's left is diy with 5 half-bridges instead of the normal 2
2018-07-31T14:58:02 < Cracki> I don't see much advantage in a 0.9 deg stepper... just use microstepping
2018-07-31T14:59:48 < Thorn> MÖTÖR CÖNTRÖL
2018-07-31T15:00:30 < tomeaton17> Ooh someone used oriental motors at work
2018-07-31T15:00:56 < tomeaton17> If you remember me telling the story about the fellow intern who made the spinning antenna
2018-07-31T15:08:46 < Cracki> lel
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2018-07-31T15:08:57 < Cracki> 10 pound motor?
2018-07-31T15:09:24 < Cracki> oh how did the "postmortem" for that internship go, have you heard anything?
2018-07-31T15:09:35 < tomeaton17> If you mean pound as in weight then yes
2018-07-31T15:10:00 < Cracki> oy and all that for a little antenna
2018-07-31T15:10:13 < tomeaton17> Cracki: It was good. They were happy with what I did and said they are looking to commercialise what I made (probably wont happen). Unfortunately no job offer tho 
2018-07-31T15:10:25 < Cracki> lemme guess, it was fullstepped? *TOCK TOCK TOCK*
2018-07-31T15:10:43 < Cracki> no job offer, but they're gonna make money from you?
2018-07-31T15:11:01 < Cracki> ok ok, they'll try
2018-07-31T15:11:10 < Steffanx> That's what you get from doing your internship too well :P
2018-07-31T15:11:42 < tomeaton17> To be honest I don't think they will sell it unless they can make some decent drivers for windows. I just did the stm32 part
2018-07-31T15:11:51 < tomeaton17> But a lot of thanks goes to ##stm32
2018-07-31T15:11:54 < Cracki> what kinda drivers would they even need
2018-07-31T15:12:06 < Cracki> a dll that talks serial to the thing?
2018-07-31T15:12:26 < tomeaton17> yeah, I guess I meant they would need some nice software with logging graphs etc
2018-07-31T15:12:32 < Cracki> aye
2018-07-31T15:13:02 < tomeaton17> Because at the moment I just have an ncurses interface
2018-07-31T15:13:12 < tomeaton17> and normies probably wont like that
2018-07-31T15:13:24 < Cracki> so they want someone who can do qt guis, or labview or matlab/simulink?
2018-07-31T15:14:02 < Haohmaru> only h4x0rz like TUI
2018-07-31T15:14:22 < tomeaton17> qt guis I reckon is how they would do it. They might put the next intern on it. Got to meet them as its my last day, don't have much hopes of them continuing the electronics side
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2018-07-31T15:27:38 < tomeaton17> Anyway I want to thank everyone on ##stm32 for your help over the last year, and sorry if I annoyed you with all my questions
2018-07-31T15:28:24 < Haohmaru> that's it, remember only the gud things
2018-07-31T15:28:42 < Steffanx> did you learn to ask proper questions tomeaton17? :)
2018-07-31T15:29:02 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: yeah I think so :p
2018-07-31T15:29:59 < karlp> well done tomeaton17 
2018-07-31T15:30:40 < Haohmaru> is he gonna leave?
2018-07-31T15:30:54 < Haohmaru> or he getting the "best new act" award?
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2018-07-31T15:33:56 < tomeaton17> karlp: thanks :)
2018-07-31T15:34:39 < tomeaton17> I'm making my own flight controller for a quadcopter using stm32. now I will have time to actually make it
2018-07-31T15:35:58 < karlp> what will it  do differently to all the other ones?
2018-07-31T15:36:28 < jpa-> crash more
2018-07-31T15:36:40 < tomeaton17> Nothing, just interested really. Haven't done much control theory apart from a constant current controller using a motor
2018-07-31T15:36:44 < tomeaton17> jpa-: probably :p
2018-07-31T15:39:46 < tomeaton17> I've got a decent overview of how I am going to do it. need to choose parts and make the pcb
2018-07-31T15:40:28 < Steffanx> You have year to get it done, before your next study starts?
2018-07-31T15:41:17 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: No, I start in middle of September. Won't get it done by then, by maybe I could reuse it for a course project :p
2018-07-31T15:41:32 < Cracki> inverted pendulum is a nice exercise
2018-07-31T15:42:07 < Cracki> or if you have a brushed dc motor with encoder, and a poti, control shaft position from poti, or control shaft velocity from poti
2018-07-31T15:42:15 < tomeaton17> Not sure what they are going to make me do. I am just practicing my maths at the moment
2018-07-31T15:42:22 < Cracki> brushies are highly nonlinear if you just apply PWM
2018-07-31T15:42:38 < Cracki> screw the math. it's just summing and multiplying
2018-07-31T15:42:39 < sync> Cracki: double inverted pendulum is fun
2018-07-31T15:42:58 < Cracki> getting it to swing up from a resting state even more. never done that.
2018-07-31T15:43:09 < tomeaton17> I like the chaotic motion
2018-07-31T15:43:17 < Cracki> I hear you use one controller to make it oscillate,then switch to one to keep it upright
2018-07-31T15:43:42 < tomeaton17> Theres some transform maths that I haven't done before
2018-07-31T15:43:48 < Cracki> you can simulate all that stuff in matlab/simulink/simscape
2018-07-31T15:44:02 < Cracki> ah yes, the arms have mass
2018-07-31T15:44:04 < Cracki> that sucks :>
2018-07-31T15:44:25 < Haohmaru> wut doesn't have mass?
2018-07-31T15:44:39 < Haohmaru> time?
2018-07-31T15:44:57 < Haohmaru> is there a physicist in here?
2018-07-31T15:45:11 < Cracki> spherical cow of uniform density in zero g vacuum?
2018-07-31T15:45:44 < BrainDamage> light doesn't have mass
2018-07-31T15:45:51 < Cracki> simplifying assumptions: you have a conveyor belt and you need to tension it. you could assume the tensioning arm's roller has no weight, only the spring force
2018-07-31T15:46:16 < tomeaton17> but its still affected by gravity
2018-07-31T15:46:22 < Cracki> but then you won't see inertia
2018-07-31T15:46:25 < Cracki> it is of course
2018-07-31T15:46:34 < Cracki> all models are approximations of the truth
2018-07-31T15:46:44 < Cracki> you gotta know when the model is good enough for your use
2018-07-31T15:46:57 < Cracki> coin flip. do you model it landing on the edge or not?
2018-07-31T15:47:15 < tomeaton17> no
2018-07-31T15:47:42 < Cracki> but some coin flips don't identify as heads or tails, they identify as EDGY!
2018-07-31T15:48:03 < BrainDamage> identify implies some sort of self-awareness
2018-07-31T15:48:09 < BrainDamage> the classification is done by you
2018-07-31T15:48:50 < Haohmaru> once i threw my cigarrette and it langed standing up
2018-07-31T15:48:50 < Cracki> coins have agency. surely you have experienced coins fleeing from your wallet
2018-07-31T15:49:24 < Cracki> if your cig lands on its butt and nobody is there to see it, did it...
2018-07-31T15:49:35 < tomeaton17> Did you flick it?
2018-07-31T15:50:11 < Haohmaru> Cracki yes, i have no proof
2018-07-31T15:50:16 < Haohmaru> sadly
2018-07-31T15:50:19 < Cracki> ^^
2018-07-31T15:50:24 < Cracki> always wear a body cam
2018-07-31T15:50:36 < Haohmaru> but i've thrown .. who knows.. thosands
2018-07-31T15:50:56 < karlp> body cam is still just one viewpoint, 
2018-07-31T15:51:01 < Cracki> selfie drone
2018-07-31T15:51:06 < Haohmaru> 12 years, a pack of 20 a day.. i can't do the math
2018-07-31T15:51:10 < sync> Cracki: yes
2018-07-31T15:51:26 < Cracki> 87600
2018-07-31T15:51:26 < sync> the interesting parts starts when you want to be able to control which pendulum is up
2018-07-31T15:51:29 < sync> and which is down
2018-07-31T15:51:35 < tomeaton17> the new dji one is cool
2018-07-31T15:51:50 < Cracki> you mean like the arms on top of each other?
2018-07-31T15:51:57 < sync> no
2018-07-31T15:52:11 < Cracki> that's the only config I can see where one arm is up and the other is down
2018-07-31T15:52:19 < Cracki> or do you mean two arms on the same joint?
2018-07-31T15:52:19 < sync> arm 1 pointing down and arm 2 up
2018-07-31T15:52:25 < sync> or arm 1 up and 2 down
2018-07-31T15:52:35 < tomeaton17> 87600 wow
2018-07-31T15:52:35 < Cracki> yes, so they'd be "on top" of each other
2018-07-31T15:52:38 < sync> yes
2018-07-31T15:52:45 < Cracki> interesting
2018-07-31T15:53:01 < sync> you can switch between all of them
2018-07-31T15:53:05 < Cracki> I would imagine arm two pointing down is easier because you can just ignore this part
2018-07-31T15:53:21 < sync> well no
2018-07-31T15:53:27 < sync> as it has mass
2018-07-31T15:53:34 < Cracki> except for that, yes
2018-07-31T15:53:37 < sync> and you still want to move it from right to left
2018-07-31T15:53:42 < Cracki> wat
2018-07-31T15:53:43 < sync> it's a pretty cool thing to make
2018-07-31T15:53:45 < sync> well
2018-07-31T15:53:46 < Cracki> o.o
2018-07-31T15:53:50 < Cracki> i can imagine
2018-07-31T15:53:58 < Cracki> arm 1 up, arm 2 down and swinging
2018-07-31T15:54:05 < sync> obv you are not using just a motor on arm 1
2018-07-31T15:54:08 < sync> as that is cheating
2018-07-31T15:54:10 < Haohmaru> i'd guess landing a coin on its edge is less likely than a cig on its butt
2018-07-31T15:54:12 < Cracki> of course
2018-07-31T15:54:21 < sync> you are using a linear stage and then need to control the energy
2018-07-31T15:54:23 < Cracki> depends on the edginess of the coin
2018-07-31T15:54:33 < sync> you can also use three arms
2018-07-31T15:54:39 < tomeaton17> Cracki: Looking it up and its a lagrangian formulation thats not just multiplying :p
2018-07-31T15:54:48 < Haohmaru> coin is typically heavier, and it's gonna want to roll
2018-07-31T15:54:56 < sync> but then you need a controller that numerically finds the local optimum for every state
2018-07-31T15:54:56 < Haohmaru> cig has a flat butt
2018-07-31T15:54:58 < Cracki> tomeaton17, meant the impl of the controller :P
2018-07-31T15:55:10 < sync> 2 arms you can solve analytically
2018-07-31T15:55:34 < tomeaton17> Haohmaru: the weight won't be evenly distributed after smoking though
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2018-07-31T15:56:42 < Haohmaru> it wuz just an uneducated hypoguestimation
2018-07-31T15:57:02 < tomeaton17> was it machine rolled?
2018-07-31T15:57:11 < Haohmaru> the cig?
2018-07-31T15:57:20 < tomeaton17> yeah
2018-07-31T15:57:31 < Haohmaru> yes, normal, legal THICC cig
2018-07-31T15:57:36 < Haohmaru> with filter
2018-07-31T15:57:46 < tomeaton17> ah thats why I haven't managed to get it to land then
2018-07-31T15:57:57 < Haohmaru> u throwin joints?
2018-07-31T15:58:10 < Haohmaru> that sh*t ain't gon get u far
2018-07-31T15:58:31 < tomeaton17> No hand rolled cigarettes :p
2018-07-31T15:58:44 < tomeaton17> but I have managed to stop for the last month so I hope I am done
2018-07-31T15:59:10 < Haohmaru> there are these "empty" cigs .. just a filter with paper attached, u just have to stuff em
2018-07-31T15:59:28 < tomeaton17> For people that can't roll i guess
2018-07-31T16:00:09 < Haohmaru> coz smoking is "kooler" if u roll your own crap, right
2018-07-31T16:00:19 < Haohmaru> u probably also have a fancy lighter
2018-07-31T16:00:37 < Haohmaru> or a matchbox
2018-07-31T16:01:22 < tomeaton17> Lol its cheaper
2018-07-31T16:01:32 < tomeaton17> and nope :p
2018-07-31T16:02:09 < Haohmaru> vaping is cheap0r
2018-07-31T16:02:20 < tomeaton17> yeah but im not gay
2018-07-31T16:02:41 < Haohmaru> wut does that have to do with it?
2018-07-31T16:02:47 < tomeaton17> nothing
2018-07-31T16:02:55 < tomeaton17> just never tried vaping
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2018-07-31T17:09:18 < englishman> tgeeky: did you get it working
2018-07-31T17:10:58 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-07-31T17:11:00 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 27.3°C. Humidity: 59%.
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2018-07-31T18:40:05 < vampi-the-frog> finally quit my job ^_^
2018-07-31T18:42:05 < vampi-the-frog> brb
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2018-07-31T18:42:06 < Cracki> did you quit because it felt good to quit or for some other reason?
2018-07-31T18:42:08 < karlp> man, float -> uint64 and double -> uint64 casts are _radically_ different.
2018-07-31T18:42:08 < Cracki> grrr
2018-07-31T18:42:16 < Cracki> wat how
2018-07-31T18:43:12 < Cracki> copy mantissa, shift, pay attention to the sign?
2018-07-31T18:43:17 < karlp> undefined behaviour apparently.
2018-07-31T18:43:20 < Cracki> uh
2018-07-31T18:43:23 < karlp> I'm not talking about doing it by hand
2018-07-31T18:43:32 < Cracki> who decided not to define that behavior
2018-07-31T18:43:49 < karlp> I'm talking about float x = 1234.12f; double dd = 1234.12; uint64_t a += x; uint64_t b += dd; 
2018-07-31T18:43:56 < Cracki> yes
2018-07-31T18:44:00 < Cracki> hmm....
2018-07-31T18:44:04 < karlp> and the two uints will be the same for a while,
2018-07-31T18:44:12 < Cracki> how do types get promoted for a +=...
2018-07-31T18:44:20 < karlp> but will then diverge, and at a certain point, stop being even close
2018-07-31T18:44:38 < Cracki> "for a while" meaning this is done multiple times?
2018-07-31T18:44:53 < karlp> yueah, repeatedly adding a smallish float over and over to a uint64.
2018-07-31T18:44:58 < Cracki> ah that
2018-07-31T18:45:00 < Cracki> that's numerics
2018-07-31T18:45:14 < karlp> I'm not talking about losing the floating point
2018-07-31T18:45:21 < karlp> small meaning ~10, not fractional only.
2018-07-31T18:45:30 < Cracki> ah! do you mean to say the (f32 + u64) is first promoted to f32+f32, then cast back into u64?
2018-07-31T18:45:34 < karlp> the integral shouldn't have ever been lost in my brane.
2018-07-31T18:46:34 < Cracki> I wouldn't be sure if += does binary op and then assignment or casts the right operand to type of left op
2018-07-31T18:47:07 < Cracki> does your u64 go above 2**24?
2018-07-31T18:47:14 < karlp> yes
2018-07-31T18:47:19 < Cracki> aha!
2018-07-31T18:47:23 < karlp> that's abotu where it fails
2018-07-31T18:47:31 < Cracki> so you'd need u64 += (uint64_t) somefloat;
2018-07-31T18:48:04 < karlp> you think it does uint64-> cast to float, add teh float, cast back to uint64?
2018-07-31T18:48:20 < Cracki> I think it does (u64 + f32) -> (f32 + f32) -> f32 -> u64
2018-07-31T18:48:33 < Cracki> so yes
2018-07-31T18:48:45 < Cracki> that would explain the numerical error once you go above 2**24
2018-07-31T18:48:55 < karlp> yeah, explicit cast there fixes it.
2018-07-31T18:48:56 < Cracki> because f32 have 23/24 bits of mantissa
2018-07-31T18:49:42 < Cracki> funny bug. I'm glad to know of the implications
2018-07-31T18:50:01 < karlp> with a double, you don't see this.
2018-07-31T18:50:13 < Cracki> right, because f64 have 52/53 bits of mantissa
2018-07-31T18:50:18 < karlp> presumably we would have, but only when it went over the integer size of the double.
2018-07-31T18:50:23 < Cracki> so you'd still see the problem once your value goes above 2**53
2018-07-31T18:50:27 < Cracki> aye
2018-07-31T18:50:47 < Cracki> then you'd see errors of more than 1, 2, 4, 8, ...
2018-07-31T18:50:48  * karlp foolishly assumed that uint64 += float would just truncate the fractional bits.
2018-07-31T18:50:54 < karlp> oh, the errors become huge.
2018-07-31T18:51:13 < karlp> it saturates at one point and starts doing weird shit (comparing the diff between float and double versions)
2018-07-31T18:51:34 < Cracki> at some point, the added value is too small compared to the u64
2018-07-31T18:51:39 < Cracki> and effectively becomes 0
2018-07-31T18:51:48 < karlp> yeah, because it does the cast other way first.
2018-07-31T18:51:58 < Cracki> so (1) your u64 is getting rounded to 23 or 52 bits (2) infinitesimal increments vanish
2018-07-31T18:52:20 < karlp> yeah, which was the whole point of using uints, so that the integer portions would be kept :)
2018-07-31T18:52:24 < Cracki> ;)
2018-07-31T18:52:29 < karlp> but nooooooo.
2018-07-31T18:53:30 < Cracki> this fun aspect of machine numbers is why summation of a series should start from the smallest value (so for most expressions, coming from infinity)
2018-07-31T18:54:51 < karlp> what do you mean, starting from the smallest value?
2018-07-31T18:55:58 < BrainDamage> because floating point bitshifts the mantissa to match the exponents
2018-07-31T18:56:05 < BrainDamage> this yields to truncation if the number diffes
2018-07-31T18:56:13 < BrainDamage> differs too much*
2018-07-31T18:56:32 < BrainDamage> so floating point achieves the best precision when the numbers are similar
2018-07-31T18:58:37 < Cracki> >>> 1 == 1 + 2**-53 # True
2018-07-31T18:58:38 < Cracki> >>> 1 == 1 + 2**-52 # False
2018-07-31T18:59:14 < karlp> I just have one float that I'm happy to truncate to integer, and I want to add it to my big integer.
2018-07-31T18:59:20 < karlp> I'm not summing floats.
2018-07-31T18:59:26 < Cracki> you did :>
2018-07-31T18:59:35 < karlp> yes, but not intentionally.
2018-07-31T18:59:39 < Cracki> >_>
2018-07-31T18:59:44 < karlp> every step I wanted to truncate the fractional part 
2018-07-31T18:59:47 < karlp> what I got was not that.
2018-07-31T18:59:50 < Cracki> indeed
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2018-07-31T19:00:50 < Cracki> what you got was that a += b isn't really that, but a = a+b... unless these things were objects and you had implemented that operator to do something different
2018-07-31T19:01:38 < Cracki> I might have had the same experience
2018-07-31T19:01:39 < karlp> and float was "stronger" than integer.
2018-07-31T19:01:50 < Cracki> indeed it is, even if it's f32 vs u64
2018-07-31T19:01:51 < karlp> can't find the right reference source for the interger/float conversion rules
2018-07-31T19:01:58 < Cracki> number tower
2018-07-31T19:03:10 < Cracki> i'm looking
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2018-07-31T19:04:30 < karlp> otherwise, if either operand is a float, the other operand is converted to float
2018-07-31T19:04:40 < karlp> is here: https://icecube.wisc.edu/~dglo/c_class/promo_conv.html but I'd like a better source :)
2018-07-31T19:04:57 < Cracki> https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/implicit_conversion
2018-07-31T19:05:57 < Cracki> subheading "Numeric promotions
2018-07-31T19:05:57 < Cracki> "
2018-07-31T19:06:38 < karlp> yeah, but cpp is not c... particularly on these sorts of things.
2018-07-31T19:07:11 < Cracki> it inherits a lot. that site also has C's rules somewhere
2018-07-31T19:07:25 < Cracki> https://en.cppreference.com/w/c/language/conversion
2018-07-31T19:07:44 < Cracki> >common real type
2018-07-31T19:08:30 < karlp> and which one is the prvalue?
2018-07-31T19:08:33 < Cracki> that, combined with how C understands +=, leads to this surprise
2018-07-31T19:08:46 < Cracki> no clue. prvalue is probably the right hand operand
2018-07-31T19:09:28 < Cracki> in C, they don't talk about "prvalue", that's c++ terminology for "rvalue and similar things"
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2018-07-31T19:10:41 < karlp> I wonder how many other places this might be lurking in my code.
2018-07-31T19:11:09 < Cracki> ask the compiler to warn about implicit casts
2018-07-31T19:11:21 < Cracki> or "implicit type conversion"
2018-07-31T19:12:05 < Cracki> I think visual studio already complains about possible loss of precision for implicit type conv
2018-07-31T19:12:16 < Cracki> (no harm in promotions that maintain precision)
2018-07-31T19:13:00 < Cracki> https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/NewWconversion
2018-07-31T19:13:55 < karlp> probably wouldn't be a bad idea to turn it on and go and revisit _all_ locations it flags.
2018-07-31T19:14:10 < Cracki> ;) that's what I am gonna do now for my current project
2018-07-31T19:15:03 < Cracki> I usually use -Wall -Wextra
2018-07-31T19:15:16 < Cracki> -Wconversion might be in either already
2018-07-31T19:15:36 < karlp> it's not.
2018-07-31T19:15:44 < karlp> I've had wall and extra for ages...
2018-07-31T19:16:15 < Cracki> seems it's not. I'm getting more warnings with -Wconversion, even though I have Wall Wextra already
2018-07-31T19:16:19 < Cracki> :D
2018-07-31T19:16:58 < Cracki> they should put that in Wextra at least... it's so helpful!
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2018-07-31T19:19:51 < Cracki> it flags all my uses of the _BV(bit)=(1<<(bit)) macro where I assign this to an 8 bit variable...
2018-07-31T19:22:50 < Cracki> heh. it *said* all operators work on int at the least. now I see: ~u8 -> int
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2018-07-31T19:29:36 < Cracki> I was shamelessly doing "some_u16 = -1"...
2018-07-31T19:29:54 < karlp> yeah, there's a reason it didn't get turned on by default :)
2018-07-31T19:30:07 < karlp> massive amounts of existing code relying on conversions one way or the other
2018-07-31T19:30:58 < karlp> making stuff compile clean with -Wconversion is jsut going to require spraying casts and brackets all over teh place.
2018-07-31T19:31:16 < karlp> warning: conversion to 'float' from 'int' may alter its value
2018-07-31T19:31:30 < karlp> IMO, when the int is two literals, it should be able to _know_ and not do that.
2018-07-31T19:31:59 < Cracki> well, it would only throw tons of warnings, which is what I want from -Wextra :P
2018-07-31T19:32:11 < Cracki> indeed I am spraying casts around now
2018-07-31T19:32:12 < karlp> yeah, but it's _tons_ of extra ones.
2018-07-31T19:32:16 < Cracki> aye
2018-07-31T19:33:08 < Cracki> it bugs me every time I want to put the value of any expression (... it's an int no matter the operands) into something lesser
2018-07-31T19:33:44 < Cracki> now I wish gcc would know about the value range of the operands and be a little smarter about this. languages like ada are required and designed to check this
2018-07-31T19:44:59 < karlp> 303 warnings....
2018-07-31T19:47:02 < karlp> so... uint16_t a |= (uint16_t b & (uint16t)0xff) ?
2018-07-31T19:47:12 < karlp> why does that give me warning: conversion to 'uint16_t {aka short unsigned int}' from 'int' may alter its valu
2018-07-31T19:48:52 < karlp> eh, lots of REG &= ~(1<<6) gives warnigns too.
2018-07-31T19:49:04 < karlp> negative integer implicitly converted to unsigned.
2018-07-31T19:54:53 < jpa-> karlp: |= and &= will give warnings always if you have that warning enabled
2018-07-31T19:55:18 < jpa-> sanest way around is    a = (uint16_t)(a | (b & 0xff));
2018-07-31T19:55:37 < karlp> uint16_t += uint16_t does it as well.
2018-07-31T19:55:44 < jpa-> yeah
2018-07-31T19:55:57 < jpa-> -Wconversion is quite useless IMO
2018-07-31T19:56:37 < karlp> uint16_t a = uint16_t a + uint16_t b warns too
2018-07-31T19:56:45 < karlp> like, it did warn on where I really was going to lose shit
2018-07-31T19:56:52 < karlp> but there's way too many false positives 
2018-07-31T19:57:28 < Cracki> karlp, |= and &= promote operands to int at least, uint16 is smaller
2018-07-31T19:57:38 < jpa-> yeah, and when you cast everywhere, you end up mindlessly typing  (uint16_t)-1  and it helps none
2018-07-31T19:57:40 < Cracki> all arithmetic ops never deal with anything less than int
2018-07-31T19:57:44 < Cracki> indeed
2018-07-31T19:58:04 < Cracki> as it is, this warning is a bit heavy handed
2018-07-31T19:58:11 < karlp> if -wconversion just sprays warnings everytime you do anything with uint16 or uint8, then there's simply no way to use it as a warning.
2018-07-31T19:58:22 < Cracki> good for running on occasion, and to ignore most warnings ;)
2018-07-31T19:58:36 < Cracki> sort/filter the warnings, if your editor lets you
2018-07-31T19:59:05  * karlp sighs. not really very useful.
2018-07-31T19:59:07 < jpa-> -Wconversion kind of works when you need code to be very portable, because it points out the few places where you would care about type width
2018-07-31T19:59:55 < jpa-> i use it for nanopb, but the amount of casts is not horrible there
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2018-07-31T20:21:24 < englishman> jpa- do you think that weather is getting worse or that people are getting softer
2018-07-31T20:23:44 < englishman> oh cool, trump is going to ban all 3d printers
2018-07-31T20:23:48 < englishman> finally doing something useful
2018-07-31T20:25:04 < antto> o_O
2018-07-31T20:25:10 < antto> why?
2018-07-31T20:25:27 < karlp> becos guns
2018-07-31T20:25:31 < englishman> because you could possible make a somewhat functional single shot pistol with it.
2018-07-31T20:25:32 < antto> doh
2018-07-31T20:25:39 < englishman> like, a block of wood, steel pipe and a nail would.
2018-07-31T20:25:41 < karlp> you can have the 2nd ammendment but only if you're giving money to big military.
2018-07-31T20:26:36 < antto> i thought he scared c0z u could easily 3D-print a bett0r president than him
2018-07-31T20:26:49 < antto> with better hair style even
2018-07-31T20:28:19 < Rickta59> they are certainly useful for printing these https://i1.wp.com/www.ifitshipitshere.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/TRUMP-TROLL-DOLL.jpg
2018-07-31T20:28:37 < Rickta59> i think he just wants to stop those .. not guns
2018-07-31T20:29:02 < bitmask> damn thats hot
2018-07-31T20:29:22 < antto> he haz a small ding-dong
2018-07-31T20:29:34 < Rickta59> it matches his hands
2018-07-31T20:29:42 < antto> true
2018-07-31T20:30:06 < antto> but a large ph0ne
2018-07-31T20:30:15 < antto> so he can haz twitt0r
2018-07-31T20:32:52 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/Y2Q0zc5.gifv
2018-07-31T20:35:03 < antto> wut O_O
2018-07-31T20:35:13 < antto> englishman eggsplain pls
2018-07-31T20:36:13 < antto> is that one of those self-balancing two-wheel personal transportation things?
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2018-07-31T20:38:42 < Cracki> trump derangement syndrome is real
2018-07-31T20:39:09 < Cracki> nice fire there
2018-07-31T20:41:30 < Cracki> he dominates yet another news cycle with just these words: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1024264286418489345
2018-07-31T20:41:51 < Rickta59> anything to deflect the word russia
2018-07-31T20:41:55 < Cracki> *I* can't imagine 3d printed plastic guns being all that usable
2018-07-31T20:42:05 < Cracki> dude don't go there
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2018-07-31T20:42:39 < Cracki> "muh russia" is getting tiresome
2018-07-31T20:42:56 < Rickta59> so is trump ... i think we can agree to disagree
2018-07-31T20:43:38 < Rickta59> I've lost 40 year friendships over this idiot
2018-07-31T20:43:45 < Cracki> guess why
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2018-07-31T20:45:58 < Cracki> vampi, you should auth before joining, people still see your IP
2018-07-31T20:46:16 < antto> yeah, and it's verrrrry nekkid
2018-07-31T20:46:36 < Cracki> eh, no danger of anyone stalking you in romania
2018-07-31T20:47:09 < englishman> IPs are worthless anyway - owner of irccloud
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2018-07-31T21:08:04 < vampi-the-frog> I don't know how to setup hexchat to do that
2018-07-31T21:11:40 < c10ud> vampi-the-frog, https://imgur.com/a/SlETEJR
2018-07-31T21:11:58 < vampi-the-frog> hmm sasl
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2018-07-31T21:12:33 < c10ud> that's what I did three years ago, there might be a better option 
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2018-07-31T21:12:46 < Laurenceb__> >take train home >schoolkids get on
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2018-07-31T21:13:03 < Laurenceb__> >they are making lurn muh pronouns jokes and watchign Sargon
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2018-07-31T21:14:10 < vampi-the-frog> did that work?
2018-07-31T21:14:22 < Cracki> i'm using sasl too, works like a charm
2018-07-31T21:14:31 < Cracki> Laurenceb__, there's hope!
2018-07-31T21:14:42 < Cracki> generation z...
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2018-07-31T21:14:59 < vampi-the-frog> thanks
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2018-07-31T21:15:09 < Cracki> depends on your definition
2018-07-31T21:15:18 < c10ud> that was a minute earlier
2018-07-31T21:15:22 < Cracki> the join/part/join has half a minute between each
2018-07-31T21:16:03 < Cracki> earlier, the frog did a join/quit/join with this: * vampi-the-frog has quit (Changing host)
2018-07-31T21:17:01 < Cracki> I guess that's what one has to do to change one's hostname when the irc protocol uses your host name as part of your netwide identifier
2018-07-31T21:18:28 < vampi-the-frog> hang on I'll try again
2018-07-31T21:18:30 < Cracki> plot of my brushed dc with encoder wheel position vs velocity, with my attempt at constant velocity control: https://imgur.com/BPVGC5V
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2018-07-31T21:19:18 < vampi-the-frog> how's that
2018-07-31T21:19:33 < Cracki> orange is x' over 0.2s, blue is x' over 0.001s lowpassed with tau=0.1s
2018-07-31T21:19:36 < Laurenceb__> the 4chan is leaking into irl
2018-07-31T21:19:37 < Cracki> looks the same
2018-07-31T21:19:49 < vampi-the-frog> it changes host?
2018-07-31T21:19:49 < Cracki> any advice on a sensible velocity control loop?
2018-07-31T21:20:08 < Cracki> vampi-the-frog, no it doesn't, hasn't done "changing host" since you said you use sasl
2018-07-31T21:20:15 < vampi-the-frog> ok
2018-07-31T21:20:16 < vampi-the-frog> th
2018-07-31T21:20:16 < vampi-the-frog> x
2018-07-31T21:20:32 < Cracki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWkJ86JqlPA
2018-07-31T21:21:03 < Cracki> a while ago I saw original schematics of this sound. two dozen "voices" moving across the spectrum
2018-07-31T21:21:49 < Cracki> ah, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Note has the original score
2018-07-31T21:30:01 < aandrew> I've seen that score
2018-07-31T21:31:41 < vampi-the-frog> weird humps, you'd think it's linear
2018-07-31T21:33:39 < Cracki> the brushed dc motor is imperfect of course. and I figure my control loop isn't too smart either
2018-07-31T21:33:53 < Cracki> I had a lecture on this, but it wasn't very applied
2018-07-31T21:34:26 < Cracki> I'm skimming this right now https://bharat-robotics.github.io/blog/dc-motor-speed-control/
2018-07-31T21:41:12 < vampi-the-frog> you can get those on ali
2018-07-31T21:41:34 < Steffanx> What kind of weird control loop are you using Cracki, something you made up?
2018-07-31T21:41:41 < vampi-the-frog> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mayitr-DC-6V-12V-130-Motor-7800RPM-Mini-Motor-with-Metal-Speed-Encoder-Tachometer-Motor-AB/32884018457.html
2018-07-31T21:41:58 < vampi-the-frog> I wanted one to make a motorized potentiometer
2018-07-31T21:42:50 < Steffanx> Article doesnt look very smary either. Just dump some PID at it.
2018-07-31T21:43:00 < vampi-the-frog> this one looks more accurate https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Low-price-10pcs-Johnson-6V-4000rpm-12v-8000rpm-Standard-130-motor-Green-Micro-DC-motor-with/1958810870.html
2018-07-31T21:43:03 < Cracki> Steffanx, not quite. they integrate the error, I lowpassed the "error".
2018-07-31T21:43:11 < Cracki> aye, they just do PID
2018-07-31T21:43:37 < Cracki> this is just play. I don't remember what I tried, just exploring.
2018-07-31T21:43:58 < vampi-the-frog> yeah you integrate or lowpass
2018-07-31T21:44:22 < Cracki> so now I get to experience what works and in which way
2018-07-31T21:44:41 < Cracki> I have yet to make my code accept new Ks during runtime
2018-07-31T21:45:15 < Cracki> my lowpass _did_ use tau=0.1s, that is maybe a bit harsh, but my encoder is just 100 PPR anyway
2018-07-31T21:45:40 < Cracki> at 0.05 or 0.02s, it noticeably resonated in a certain speed range
2018-07-31T21:57:42 < Cracki> ah yes, plain I-controller with enough gain does the trick :> lowpassing the encoder pulses was just complicating it
2018-07-31T21:59:22 < vampi-the-frog> what's a I controller
2018-07-31T21:59:26 < Cracki> integrator
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2018-07-31T21:59:56 < Cracki> in germany, we're taught PID is made of parts. P-control is just constant gain, D is differentiator, I is integrator
2018-07-31T22:01:50 < Cracki> "PT1" is an exponential kinda deal, where you have output approaching input (times the Kp component of the PT1 block), and you have a time constant tau.
2018-07-31T22:02:01 < Cracki> see RC lowpass, R*C is the time constant there
2018-07-31T22:03:01 < Cracki> e.g. on my board, there's a shunt resistor for current sensing. it's connected via 4k7 and 1nF to the ADC. tau would be 4.7 microseconds, which is way too small for the application
2018-07-31T22:03:50 < Cracki> the professor said something about PID not really being the sum of its parts, but theoretically something else, but I haven't paid enough attention to understand what he hinted at
2018-07-31T22:05:43 < bitmask> Hello, we found that your cargo transport anomalies, we give you reissue the goods, replacement of goods will appear within three days tracking information, please be patient
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2018-07-31T22:09:49 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/afa34a7f98/130367.png
2018-07-31T22:09:51 < Laurenceb__> anyone doing the boiling acid challenge?
2018-07-31T22:12:43 < jpa-> Laurenceb__: no, but we have been discussing your shitposting
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2018-07-31T22:13:03 < Steffanx> Laurenceb-rule enforced.
2018-07-31T22:13:27 < Steffanx> You were missed at the stm32 meeting jpa-
2018-07-31T22:13:43 < bitmask> I wasn't :(
2018-07-31T22:14:19 < Steffanx> I dont expect an american to be there
2018-07-31T22:14:43 < bitmask> racist
2018-07-31T22:15:02 < jpa-> Steffanx: the meeting was missed here
2018-07-31T22:17:34 < vampi-the-frog> nice, I like sargon
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2018-07-31T23:13:58 < Steffanx> btw aandrew the SDG2042X "hacked" (telnet to the device, remove a line of of some XML file) to go to 120MHz instead of 40MHz seems to be able to do your FM.
2018-07-31T23:14:02 < Steffanx> for < $1k
2018-07-31T23:21:10 < vampi-the-frog> telnet makes my dick hard
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2018-07-31T23:25:10 < zyp> sup?
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2018-07-31T23:30:06 < Cracki> I hear phantom PWM noises, the servo is powered off...
2018-07-31T23:30:28 < Steffanx> Not much zyp, messing around with new scope and function generator which arrived while i wasnt home.
2018-07-31T23:30:48 < zyp> cool
2018-07-31T23:31:04 < Steffanx> Just some basic siglent stuff.
2018-07-31T23:31:21 < Steffanx> the scope seems to be "hackable" to 200MHz as well, but i dont really need that. 
2018-07-31T23:31:59 < Steffanx> It runs lunix => hackable. Older firmware even had the telnet open without username/password
2018-07-31T23:32:49 < Steffanx> Same with the function generator, runs lunix.
2018-07-31T23:34:52 < jadew> Steffanx, neat, which one did you get?
2018-07-31T23:35:05 < jadew> oh, they're two separate units
2018-07-31T23:35:08 < Steffanx> Yessir.
2018-07-31T23:35:09 < jadew> which ones?
2018-07-31T23:35:32 < jadew> I've been watching Siglent for quite some time, they've evolved a lot
2018-07-31T23:35:40 < Steffanx> sds1104x-e and sdg2042x
2018-07-31T23:35:43 < jadew> their scopes seem great now
2018-07-31T23:36:47 < Steffanx> A higher sample rate wouldve been nice, but then youll go to an entire new price range
2018-07-31T23:36:53 < jadew> the scope is not one of the new models, is it?
2018-07-31T23:37:00 < jadew> yeah...
2018-07-31T23:37:08 < jadew> the arb looks nice
2018-07-31T23:37:43 < Steffanx> It is. Afaik. The x-e series is newish i believe
2018-07-31T23:38:02 < zyp> what do you guys use your signal generators for?
2018-07-31T23:38:35 < Steffanx> I want to do some more with analog stuff, mainly
2018-07-31T23:39:02 < jadew> I use mine a lot, for digital too
2018-07-31T23:39:38 < zyp> like what?
2018-07-31T23:39:44 < jadew> generating patterns
2018-07-31T23:39:52 < jadew> for example, replying a known I2C signal
2018-07-31T23:40:11 < jadew> testing clock speeds
2018-07-31T23:40:21 < jadew> and of course, for analog stuff
2018-07-31T23:40:23 < zyp> how does that work out wrt. tristating and stuff?
2018-07-31T23:40:43 < jadew> not for that
2018-07-31T23:40:55 < jadew> (it doesn't)
2018-07-31T23:41:19 < jadew> most use is for analog stuff, for sure
2018-07-31T23:41:25 < jadew> quickly testing a small subcircuit
2018-07-31T23:42:42 < jadew> I use the low freq. one for RF too, but just because it's easier to set up some tests on it and because it has 2 channels
2018-07-31T23:42:59 < jadew> it's a much more versatile unit than the RF ones
2018-07-31T23:43:54 < jadew> again, at the very least, you get to test clocking circuitry easily
2018-07-31T23:43:57 < Steffanx> I had some analog one before, up to a whopping 5MHz
2018-07-31T23:44:22 < jadew> Steffanx, and probably not very accurate either?
2018-07-31T23:45:51 < Steffanx> Some french branded one. The same one was sold on ebay for 135 euro, this year -_- 
2018-07-31T23:46:01 < jadew> wow
2018-07-31T23:46:01 < Steffanx> https://ebay.fr/itm/GBF-METRIX-GX-245-/253768814796
2018-07-31T23:46:20 < jadew> looks retro, I like it
2018-07-31T23:46:52 < Steffanx> Oh might have been for both devices
2018-07-31T23:47:05 < jadew> ah, possible
2018-07-31T23:47:10 < Steffanx> Scope looks "metrix" too
2018-07-31T23:47:22 < jadew> but they only mention one model number
2018-07-31T23:47:40 < Steffanx> Yeah, nah. Mine is brokenish anyway.
2018-07-31T23:48:24 < Steffanx> Not really broken, but it might need new pot meters or be cleaned.
2018-07-31T23:48:48 < jadew> Steffanx, what's the max/min amplitude the sig gen can do in 50 Ohms?
2018-07-31T23:50:00 < Steffanx> 10Vpp peak peak or 20Vpp (depends on the frequency). But didnt try it yet
2018-07-31T23:50:06 < Steffanx> - peak peak
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2018-07-31T23:50:37 < jadew> yeah, it looks like they're competing directly with keysight's 33600 series
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2018-07-31T23:53:33 < jadew> they have higher bandwidth, higher resolution, similar no-sample loss technology (although, they have lower maximum sample rate for arbitrary waveforms)
2018-07-31T23:55:36 < jadew> ok, the keysight one still has something exceptionally good
2018-07-31T23:55:54 < jadew> has a specified jitter of < 1 ps, vs the < 150 ps for the siglent
2018-07-31T23:56:58 < jadew> Rigol has been lagging behind it seems
2018-07-31T23:57:47 < jadew> they have the DG4000 series, but haven't updated it
2018-07-31T23:59:56 < jadew> Steffanx, did you try the frequency counter?
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