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2018-08-01T00:00:03 < jadew> how many digits does it do?
2018-08-01T00:00:36 < jadew> (the datasheet doesn't mention much about it)
2018-08-01T00:00:44 < Steffanx> Didnt try
2018-08-01T00:02:20 < jadew> sounds like a good buy
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2018-08-01T00:03:22 < Steffanx> Not bad ;) Especially with the "free" upgrade :P
2018-08-01T00:03:39 < jadew> ah, you already found the hacks?
2018-08-01T00:03:51 < jadew> what are the new specs?
2018-08-01T00:04:15 < Steffanx> Mainly 40 -> 120MHz output
2018-08-01T00:04:21 < jadew> neat
2018-08-01T00:05:19 < Steffanx> Siglent fixed the open telnet by adding a password/username
2018-08-01T00:05:34 < jadew> which is now known by everyone?
2018-08-01T00:05:51 < Steffanx> People on eevblog reverse engineered the upgrade file format and changed the password to something known
2018-08-01T00:06:02 < jadew> heh
2018-08-01T00:07:37 < Steffanx>  Then you just have to upgrade to that version and 
2018-08-01T00:07:58 < Steffanx> make the file system writable and remove some license tag from an xml file
2018-08-01T00:08:05 < Steffanx> Thats all :D
2018-08-01T00:08:47 < jadew> cool, looks like a solid sig gen
2018-08-01T00:09:11 < jadew> why did you go for the siglent scope tho?
2018-08-01T00:09:12 < Steffanx> For the scope you just have to remove some file. This file just contains some filter coefficients to make it a 100MHz scope
2018-08-01T00:09:16 < jadew> (and not the rigol)
2018-08-01T00:10:19 < jadew> do they have better software?
2018-08-01T00:10:31 < Steffanx> Idk, looked at some reviews, wasnt really in favor of any of them. 
2018-08-01T00:10:47 < Steffanx> Maybe slighly in favour of the siglent
2018-08-01T00:10:53 < Steffanx> Slightly.
2018-08-01T00:12:02 < jadew> the layout seems very similar
2018-08-01T00:13:38 < Steffanx> And i might not use it, but the scope has some bode plot function that is supposed to work with the siglent fg :P
2018-08-01T00:13:54 < jadew> that could be useful
2018-08-01T00:17:47 < Steffanx> Its certainly better then my rigol 1052esomething
2018-08-01T00:17:59 < Steffanx> With its weird sw quirks
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2018-08-01T00:30:20 < englishman> currently shoving 375V@120A into my car
2018-08-01T00:30:36 < englishman> now 394V@120A
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2018-08-01T00:32:41 < Steffanx> Do the lines glow like in that pic someone posted here?
2018-08-01T00:32:46 < Steffanx> Wires*
2018-08-01T00:34:09 < englishman> not yet
2018-08-01T00:34:19 < englishman> was down to 6% battery that's my lowest yet
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2018-08-01T00:40:08 < zyp> englishman, pussy :)
2018-08-01T00:40:23 < capacitor> so i just created this dope website with wix..... lemme you show how i did it
2018-08-01T00:40:34 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/6jATS.jpg
2018-08-01T00:41:12 < zyp> that was not planned at all btw, I just didn't realize I would be cutting it that close :p
2018-08-01T00:41:39 < capacitor> ty for that pic
2018-08-01T00:42:06 < zyp> I didn't consider that the route was going over a mountain when I looked at the distance to the charger and figured I had plenty
2018-08-01T00:42:37 < jadew> you should take a pocket solar charger with you
2018-08-01T00:42:49 < zyp> good idea
2018-08-01T00:43:18 < zyp> .nl is pretty good at solar, it seems
2018-08-01T00:43:44 < capacitor> the steffan
2018-08-01T00:43:48 < zyp> all the decent charging stations have fancy solar roofs
2018-08-01T00:44:17 < capacitor> was there a sun
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2018-08-01T00:44:21 < vampi-the-frog> hey
2018-08-01T00:44:22 < capacitor> i havent seen mine in weeks
2018-08-01T00:44:48 < Steffanx> The sun hasnt been gone in like 2.5 weeks now
2018-08-01T00:44:56 < capacitor> :[
2018-08-01T00:45:03 < capacitor> i mean :]
2018-08-01T00:45:09 < jadew> we had plenty of rain
2018-08-01T00:46:02 < capacitor> where
2018-08-01T00:46:20 < jadew> romania
2018-08-01T00:46:28 < capacitor> i see
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2018-08-01T00:52:55 < vampi-the-frog> tommy robinson result tomorrow morning
2018-08-01T00:55:38 < englishman> This office has been retained to assist in recovering the above-referenced claim against you in the amount of $xxx owed to our client Verical An Arrow Electronics.
2018-08-01T00:57:49 < jadew> "Diogenes noticed a prostitute's son throwing stones at a crowd, and said to him: Careful, boy, you might hit your father."
2018-08-01T01:00:49 < capacitor> i found a foot in the garden jonathan
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2018-08-01T01:49:54 < Laurenceb__> -ChanServ- You have been unquieted on ##stm32 by Steffanx
2018-08-01T01:49:55 < Laurenceb__> wew
2018-08-01T01:50:03 < Laurenceb__> ban expired before my 8chan ban
2018-08-01T01:50:28  * Laurenceb__ prepares the vpn and bassetbot.sh
2018-08-01T01:52:16 < tomeaton17> wb
2018-08-01T01:52:45  * Laurenceb__ buys tomeaton17 a pet basset hound
2018-08-01T01:53:20 < tomeaton17> thanks I guess
2018-08-01T01:53:29 < tomeaton17> I called it blaxinator
2018-08-01T01:54:33 < Laurenceb__> I think you get an instant (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) if your post includes basset hound now
2018-08-01T01:58:55 < tomeaton17> on what
2018-08-01T02:04:00 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: do you have a crush for Lauren Southern?
2018-08-01T02:05:36 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cOTFAZj52Owy_dBZ-qXg5HxEuvbP2boo/view?usp=sharing should repair
2018-08-01T02:09:14 < invzim> FFFFUUU TI
2018-08-01T02:09:51 < invzim> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm2776.pdf
2018-08-01T02:10:27 < invzim> if there is a positive voltage on the VOUT pin, this f'er fails to start
2018-08-01T02:10:49 < invzim> like a power-up spike thingie
2018-08-01T02:11:02 < invzim> enable on/off has no impact
2018-08-01T02:11:31 < invzim> as in - waiting to enable the device until power has settled does not fix it
2018-08-01T02:13:47 < jadew> invzim, that sounds difficult to work with, considering the positive rail is the one that's going to be on first
2018-08-01T02:14:33 < invzim> I got 17 boards assembled and then figure this crap out :*
2018-08-01T02:14:36 < jadew> damn... 200 mA from a charge pump, that's awesome
2018-08-01T02:14:45 < jadew> invzim, hah!
2018-08-01T02:15:00 < capacitor> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/VCOddgmZ/lol.JPG
2018-08-01T02:15:09 < jadew> invzim, do they propose a work around?
2018-08-01T02:15:21 < kakimir> invzim: howw did the positive voltage get to VOUT=
2018-08-01T02:15:22 < jadew> maybe you can load it with a resistor
2018-08-01T02:15:23 < invzim> no idea, just found out tonight
2018-08-01T02:15:32 < invzim> kakimir: external system
2018-08-01T02:15:42 < aandrew> I was just looking at the LM2776
2018-08-01T02:15:45 < invzim> so only happens with 1 device
2018-08-01T02:15:47 < aandrew> interesting little popcorn device
2018-08-01T02:15:49 < capacitor> I got my machine back
2018-08-01T02:15:50 < invzim> I've tested with
2018-08-01T02:16:16 < jadew> aandrew, yeah, it looks interesting
2018-08-01T02:16:27 < aandrew> there's another one that is pretty spiff too: LM7705
2018-08-01T02:16:40 < capacitor> was not expecting it to work at all
2018-08-01T02:16:54 < aandrew> it generates a regulated -0.23V -- just enough to give r2r opamps the ability to hit zero on output without violating their power supply spec
2018-08-01T02:17:07 < jadew> aandrew, hah that's cool too
2018-08-01T02:18:31 < jadew> question: do you guys think I should advertise my product on eevblog using my own username or use a username dedicated to the business (keeping my regular username private)?
2018-08-01T02:20:47 < jadew> not sure if tying all my past discussions to the business is a good idea
2018-08-01T02:21:24 < fenugrec> how long do you think you can keep the association "secret"
2018-08-01T02:21:48 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/open?id=13eu387YAe_0r8C0LaX_7EjNKPE_n8UF3
2018-08-01T02:21:52 < Laurenceb__> kakimir: thats a dude baby
2018-08-01T02:21:56 < jadew> fenugrec, yeah, I've been wondering about that too, at some point I'll end up in a discussion where something related comes up and I have to let out the disclamer
2018-08-01T02:22:18 < invzim> x18 https://drive.google.com/open?id=1pEkYFk8Gz9yIFjcRKxswO8UZUhRm5IKD
2018-08-01T02:22:23 < invzim> maaahn...
2018-08-01T02:23:31 < jadew> invzim, what exactly does your device do?
2018-08-01T02:23:35 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: I said do you have a crush - I didn't assume gender
2018-08-01T02:23:49 < invzim> I even included footprints for pullip/pulldown for enable pin in case there was sequencing problems
2018-08-01T02:24:05 < invzim> jadew: enables you to play old arcade games in modern game machines
2018-08-01T02:24:07 < invzim> kindof
2018-08-01T02:24:20 < jadew> I see, neat
2018-08-01T02:25:13 < invzim> maybe I can jimmy in a regulator so delay power in for it
2018-08-01T02:25:28 < invzim> or just put a caveat in product doc
2018-08-01T02:25:53 < jadew> well, making a new revision and moving parts over would suck
2018-08-01T02:26:17 < invzim> not really pracitcal, a lot of pth stuff
2018-08-01T02:26:25 < invzim> expensive PTH stuff
2018-08-01T02:27:09 < jadew> the boards look great, but I liked them better on red
2018-08-01T02:28:15 < jadew> they look very different tho, yet the revision number is the same
2018-08-01T02:28:55 < invzim> prob different boards?
2018-08-01T02:29:06 < jadew> ah, part of the same thing?
2018-08-01T02:29:12 < invzim> https://irkenlabs.com/images/news/2018-05-11-retro-scaler-13-proto.JPG
2018-08-01T02:29:35 < invzim> red one is way more complex, video scaling with fpga
2018-08-01T02:29:41 < invzim> blue one is pretty simple hardware wise
2018-08-01T02:29:50 < jadew> why the same revision tho?
2018-08-01T02:30:05 < invzim> I guess I suck at making things work :)
2018-08-01T02:30:06 < jadew> I had about 10 revisions with Rev. A :P but that's because I wanted the first production version to be Rev A
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2018-08-01T02:31:26 < jadew> what are you going to sell it for?
2018-08-01T02:31:33 < invzim> money :)
2018-08-01T02:31:38 < jadew> how much? :)
2018-08-01T02:31:46 < capacitor> ty for retro bong invzim 
2018-08-01T02:31:49 < capacitor> muh scanlines
2018-08-01T02:31:49 < invzim> blue one is about 170 usd
2018-08-01T02:31:58 < jadew> neat
2018-08-01T02:32:32 < invzim> red one no idea, bom is expensive and not sure it will ever be sold
2018-08-01T02:32:34 < capacitor> what would you compare it to invzim ?
2018-08-01T02:32:43 < invzim> scaler or blue one?
2018-08-01T02:33:14 < capacitor> both i guess
2018-08-01T02:33:46 < jadew> hope it sells
2018-08-01T02:34:07 < invzim> well, the blue one is jvs cabinet and jamma game - there are 3 other boards and they all have their issues, none currently in production AFAIK
2018-08-01T02:34:12 < capacitor> yeah i'm storing muh CRTs  to pay for a retirement fund
2018-08-01T02:34:40 < invzim> the scaler is a bit like somethign called xrgb2, but much better picture quality
2018-08-01T02:34:50 < capacitor> yah i've seen xrgb2
2018-08-01T02:35:10 < invzim> or a bit like the OSSC, but mine is analog out and is more flexible with input and sync
2018-08-01T02:35:29 < capacitor> cool ccool
2018-08-01T02:35:52 < invzim> and it's 4 layer :)  the ossc is 2 layer for some insane reason
2018-08-01T02:35:52 < capacitor> being analog out what would you plug it into?
2018-08-01T02:36:01 < invzim> CRT VGA
2018-08-01T02:36:15 < invzim> pc monitor, game cabinet with 31k only monitor
2018-08-01T02:36:22 < capacitor> fair enough
2018-08-01T02:37:44 < invzim> science/troubleshooting time - uncovered the lm2776 issue at a friendshouse who has a massive game collection.  Will be easier to get a firm grasp on the issue on the desk
2018-08-01T02:38:15 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euBpVr_XhuU
2018-08-01T02:39:48 < capacitor> so i just created this dope website with wix...lemme show you how i did it
2018-08-01T02:39:58 < jadew> capacitor, show
2018-08-01T02:40:37 < capacitor> thats what that video did to me
2018-08-01T02:40:50 < capacitor> gave me nigger j and his wix website so i closed  the window 
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2018-08-01T02:46:31 < capacitor> now i need muh safespace
2018-08-01T02:48:28 < capacitor> hi sir
2018-08-01T02:53:11 < kakimir> how are you doing sir?
2018-08-01T02:53:29 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKWUN3b1pZOGNYYWs/view?usp=sharing
2018-08-01T02:53:33 < capacitor> welcome;
2018-08-01T02:53:38 < kakimir> throwback to 2016
2018-08-01T02:53:43 < kakimir> I just figured it out
2018-08-01T02:53:51 < kakimir> I need seperate frontend to operate it
2018-08-01T02:53:52 < capacitor> thank you so much for sharing it
2018-08-01T02:53:58 < capacitor> i miss the large inductor
2018-08-01T02:54:03 < capacitor> such coilcraft fancy too
2018-08-01T02:54:19 < kakimir> I need to throw all the application pots away
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2018-08-01T02:54:34 < kakimir> it doesn't have that ethernet anymore or stm32
2018-08-01T02:54:40 < capacitor> my relationship began with coilcraft in like 2007 when they sent me a sample current xformer for me SMPS
2018-08-01T02:54:41 < kakimir> it needs only lpc1111
2018-08-01T02:55:14 < kakimir> and if there is analog frontend
2018-08-01T02:55:15 < capacitor> don't you know st bribes all engineers on this channel to use their chips?
2018-08-01T02:55:36 < kakimir> bribe me that chip in proper package
2018-08-01T02:55:46 < kakimir> you have that dummy or some XGBA whatever
2018-08-01T02:55:46 < capacitor> i'll give you a pack of stroopwafels
2018-08-01T02:55:51 < capacitor> how does that sound?
2018-08-01T02:55:58 < kakimir> it sounds like diabetes
2018-08-01T02:56:07 < capacitor> we all have diabeetus
2018-08-01T02:56:18 < kakimir> one doesn't simply eat only one stroopwaffle
2018-08-01T02:56:32 < capacitor> my friend's son was randomly saying his friend had diabetes
2018-08-01T02:56:45 < capacitor> so i told him "have you heard of diabeetus, it's much worse"
2018-08-01T02:57:19 < kakimir> what should I do with analog frontend to led driver
2018-08-01T02:57:28 < kakimir> remove it completelly or not
2018-08-01T02:57:29 < capacitor> i like that inductor
2018-08-01T02:57:33 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-01T02:57:34 < kakimir> it stays
2018-08-01T02:57:41 < capacitor> i really don't know what your analog frontend consists of
2018-08-01T02:58:02 < kakimir> power adjustment to the led driver
2018-08-01T02:58:10 < kakimir> by analog signal
2018-08-01T02:58:15 < capacitor> will it work without that?
2018-08-01T02:58:23 < capacitor> can you do it cheep cheep?
2018-08-01T02:58:26 < kakimir> if it has mcu populated
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2018-08-01T02:58:39 < capacitor> these are the horrible questions i have to ask myself every week mr.k
2018-08-01T02:58:58 < kakimir> look at that coilcraft thing and then tell me what part you think is cheap of this board
2018-08-01T02:59:11 < kakimir> look those MLCCs
2018-08-01T02:59:15 < kakimir> high voltage shiet
2018-08-01T02:59:23 < kakimir> lot of microfarads
2018-08-01T02:59:51 < capacitor> i like the multiturn pots
2018-08-01T03:00:40 < capacitor> also the components sitting off the board
2018-08-01T03:00:43 < capacitor> they're good too
2018-08-01T03:01:18 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-01T03:01:29 < kakimir> but i will remove both of them
2018-08-01T03:01:35 < kakimir> components flying in air
2018-08-01T03:01:38 < kakimir> and multiturn pots
2018-08-01T03:01:46 < kakimir> both of those things are frontend shiet
2018-08-01T03:02:06 < kakimir> actually only the pots
2018-08-01T03:02:09 < kakimir> if even those
2018-08-01T03:03:09 < kakimir> there can be magnetic potentiometers or so
2018-08-01T03:03:15 < kakimir> non contact type
2018-08-01T03:03:22 < kakimir> there can be buttons
2018-08-01T03:03:52 < capacitor> i like stuff
2018-08-01T03:04:10 < kakimir> me too
2018-08-01T03:04:12 < capacitor> my favourite are those MLCC caps that are stacked
2018-08-01T03:04:58 < capacitor> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQaqJcVDvDOCEAGgMh0r9dgyPKHz6pqOnOpAQdNMha8my_egJvC
2018-08-01T03:05:01 < capacitor> this is my fave
2018-08-01T03:05:25 < kakimir> should concider
2018-08-01T03:05:38 < kakimir> to make the board next revision smaller
2018-08-01T03:06:57 < kakimir> change to smaller hammond cast alu enclosure
2018-08-01T03:07:10 < capacitor> i want to tell china their products will work without fuses as in jumpers
2018-08-01T03:07:56 < capacitor> makes me happy
2018-08-01T03:14:32 < kakimir> how much fusing current of 2.54mm jumper is?
2018-08-01T03:14:45 < kakimir> interesting idea
2018-08-01T03:15:31 < jadew> the trace might fail first
2018-08-01T03:15:59 < kakimir> let's assume 16layers
2018-08-01T03:16:04 < kakimir> and full fills
2018-08-01T03:16:07 < jadew> having printed fuses is an interesting idea :P
2018-08-01T03:16:25 < jadew> user fail => new product
2018-08-01T03:17:48 < chris_99> Hi, i'm just having a little play with generated USB code from cubemx, i'm just wondering with 'CDC_Transmit_FS' do you need to 'enable' it, as i notice it's not listed in the 'USBD_Interface_fops_FS' struct for example.  Also one thing i cant see is how the endpoints are bound to CDC_Transmit_FS etc.
2018-08-01T03:19:09 < capacitor> jadew: i do remember certain revisions of certain products which would develop shorts in between layers more often than not......
2018-08-01T03:20:15 < jadew> probably not intentional, right?
2018-08-01T03:20:50 < capacitor> hard to know
2018-08-01T03:22:53 < jadew> I think people are capable of doing that, but I don't know if it would be possible in a big company, where something like this would actually generate more profit, because the user would go back to them for the spare part and not just by a competitor's product
2018-08-01T03:23:42 < jadew> https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-s5qJ3VH-c5s/Wsz22OEaFiI/AAAAAAAADtA/ts3CbiqZrp4AG66woWZRLNMokY_dcnXNwCLcBGAs/s400/underpants-gnomes.png
2018-08-01T03:25:33 < capacitor> well crapple have well and truly mastered this
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2018-08-01T06:24:51 < englishman> chinese can no longer withdraw from paypal
2018-08-01T06:24:54 < englishman> rip, paypal
2018-08-01T06:28:06 < sync> wut
2018-08-01T06:30:25 < englishman> alipay is better in every fathomable way anyway
2018-08-01T06:42:37 < bitmask> foil tape, with or without paper backing
2018-08-01T06:46:01 < bitmask> too slow, I got the paper backed, seemed like it would be a bitch otherwise, dont know why I asked
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2018-08-01T07:49:02 < capacitor> the oozy nine millameeda
2018-08-01T07:49:34 < capacitor> regarding paypal try dealing with IRS
2018-08-01T07:49:39 < capacitor> now here's a pack of cunts!
2018-08-01T07:52:20 < englishman> Australian Revenue Service Experts
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2018-08-01T08:04:17 < machinehum> hiiiiii
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2018-08-01T08:16:31 < capacitor> good one englishman 
2018-08-01T08:18:54 < machinehum> He's actually my dad
2018-08-01T08:24:37 < capacitor> the dadpot
2018-08-01T08:26:04 < capacitor> well i'm a stupid nigger
2018-08-01T08:26:15 < capacitor> wondering why the rule wasn't working.... i selected the wrong layer
2018-08-01T08:26:41 < machinehum> Altium?
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2018-08-01T09:10:42 < capacitor> yeahlol
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2018-08-01T11:54:46 < Steffanx> So freenode is getting spammed again, but it never seems to happen in the ##stm32 . Makes me wonder...
2018-08-01T11:59:35 < Haohmaru> Steffanx the spamming hasn't stopped since like over a week now
2018-08-01T12:01:42 < capacitor> lol
2018-08-01T12:01:46 < capacitor> is the GNAA back?
2018-08-01T12:02:52 < Haohmaru> teh wat?
2018-08-01T12:06:09 < Steffanx> Yes, but today seems to have a peak Haohmaru. And nothing here. 
2018-08-01T12:06:41 < Haohmaru> this channel isn't in their list
2018-08-01T12:06:45 < Haohmaru> (yet)
2018-08-01T12:10:18 < Steffanx> I bet ReadErr is involved
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2018-08-01T12:21:25 < capacitor> william nigger cock
2018-08-01T12:21:32 < capacitor> wtf is that shit they're spammin
2018-08-01T12:22:46 < Haohmaru> ##pic is on their list from long ago tho
2018-08-01T12:22:57 < Haohmaru> (that useless channel)
2018-08-01T12:24:02 < capacitor> what if anything would even get them a single click
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2018-08-01T12:51:05 < uramhoaH> not sure, their "pedo" "articles" i heard didn't even have ads/banners on them
2018-08-01T12:51:27 < uramhoaH> yet freshly purchased domains (for minimum registration time)
2018-08-01T12:51:46 < uramhoaH> maybe this is an "investment"
2018-08-01T12:51:51 < uramhoaH> :/
2018-08-01T12:52:26 < capacitor> wtf is a pedo article
2018-08-01T12:53:35 < uramhoaH> websites camouflaged as legit blogs or whatever, trying to make freenode staff members look like they're pedos
2018-08-01T12:54:13 < uramhoaH> capacitor do you not go to other channels?
2018-08-01T12:54:22 < capacitor> yeah a few others
2018-08-01T12:54:36 < capacitor> the only one the spam managed to land in was an emulation channel
2018-08-01T12:54:41 < uramhoaH> i guess they ain't popular, or already have +r
2018-08-01T12:54:41 < capacitor> retroarch
2018-08-01T12:55:04 < BrainDamage> there's a pile of spam there too
2018-08-01T12:55:11 < uramhoaH> "popular" whatever that means according to the spammer database
2018-08-01T12:55:12 < capacitor> welcome brain
2018-08-01T12:55:46 < tomeaton17> Is this william pitcock a freenoder?
2018-08-01T12:56:10 < uramhoaH> there's a channel where i sit alone with ChanServ, and they even spammed THAT <le_face_le_palm.jpg>
2018-08-01T12:56:59 < capacitor> good old times with chanserv
2018-08-01T12:57:16 < capacitor> william shitcock maybe
2018-08-01T12:57:52 < uramhoaH> ChanServ is naughty
2018-08-01T12:58:02 < uramhoaH> * i've heard
2018-08-01T12:58:34 < capacitor> throw the magma key into the well
2018-08-01T12:59:19 < jpa-> Steffanx: even GNAA knows not to mess with LB's territory
2018-08-01T12:59:54 < uramhoaH> i'm not very new here now, but i still need a translator
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2018-08-01T13:01:38 < capacitor> LB is the champion of online
2018-08-01T13:10:16 < karlp> huh, no spam here. nice.
2018-08-01T13:12:49 < Haohmaru> well, all i'm gonna say is, their "list" is growing
2018-08-01T13:12:50 < Haohmaru> :/
2018-08-01T13:14:07 < Haohmaru> probably the +s is why they haven't found this channel earlier, but another channel i'm on which iirc has +s got "added" yesterday
2018-08-01T13:14:18 < Haohmaru> an unpopular one even
2018-08-01T13:14:54 < Steffanx> otherwise ill just do what PaulFertser did: Mode #openocd +q $~a by PaulFertser
2018-08-01T13:14:56 < Haohmaru> i wonder if these are some idiots behind a competing "chat" platform
2018-08-01T13:15:18 < Haohmaru> Steffanx +r is enough
2018-08-01T13:15:28 < Haohmaru> but, ur teh boss, boss
2018-08-01T13:15:28 < Steffanx> then people cant join.
2018-08-01T13:15:59 < tomeaton17> I think an oper pissed someone off and they overreacted a bit
2018-08-01T13:16:12 < Haohmaru> tomeaton17 when?
2018-08-01T13:16:18 < karlp> englishman: ummm, arrow wants money from you?! what went wrong?
2018-08-01T13:17:55 < tomeaton17> Haohmaru, back when it all started I guess
2018-08-01T13:18:10 < Haohmaru> duh
2018-08-01T13:18:21 < tomeaton17> which was made 25th july?
2018-08-01T13:18:30 < tomeaton17> s/made/maybe
2018-08-01T13:18:43 < Haohmaru> this spam network is spamming freenode since probably an year if not more
2018-08-01T13:19:04 < tomeaton17> Not with this type of spam
2018-08-01T13:19:12 < Haohmaru> but this "wave" is more intense now
2018-08-01T13:19:27 < Haohmaru> well they change their "message" in each "wave"
2018-08-01T13:19:45 < Haohmaru> many of them appeared completely pointless
2018-08-01T13:20:38 < tomeaton17> Tbf some of the oper's do have a stick up their arse. But yes the spam is pure slander
2018-08-01T13:21:08 < Haohmaru> as if ur purrrfect ;P~
2018-08-01T13:21:56 < Haohmaru> lemme see your log with the priest ;P~
2018-08-01T13:22:09 < Haohmaru> oh sh*t x_x
2018-08-01T13:22:12 < capacitor> muh logs
2018-08-01T13:22:23 < tomeaton17> haha of course I am not
2018-08-01T13:23:32 < tomeaton17> My ip got banned recently as some was trolling with it. had to ban them from my bouncer and get ident working for freenode to free me
2018-08-01T13:23:39 < Haohmaru> thing is, u gotta be pretty messed up to perform such a "large-scale" spam attack on a whole irc network, because of some silly personal sh*t
2018-08-01T13:27:29 < capacitor> i find the dedication amusing
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2018-08-01T13:29:02 < tomeaton17> It's what I would expect from Irc users 
2018-08-01T13:29:02 < Haohmaru> autistic levels of dedication
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2018-08-01T13:29:40 < tomeaton17> Freenode have said they have started legal action 
2018-08-01T13:30:21 < capacitor> how would they know who did it
2018-08-01T13:31:18 < tomeaton17> Not sure, that's just what they said in their press release 
2018-08-01T13:31:38 < capacitor> heh
2018-08-01T13:31:42 < capacitor> it just struck again
2018-08-01T13:31:51 < tomeaton17> Oh sorry they have just sought legal advice 
2018-08-01T13:32:19 < tomeaton17> But they have gone to the feds
2018-08-01T13:32:44 < capacitor> haha
2018-08-01T13:32:47 < Haohmaru> well this wave is not only carying very ugly messages, but also seems to be less "low budget" than the previous ones, and is going for a long time already
2018-08-01T13:33:39 < Haohmaru> machines don't get tired
2018-08-01T13:33:47 < tomeaton17> The domain names they managed to register are quite unfortunate for the actual people 
2018-08-01T13:33:59 < Haohmaru> yup
2018-08-01T13:34:00 < karlp> stop giving them your attention people.
2018-08-01T13:34:14 < Haohmaru> karlp i ain't
2018-08-01T13:35:00 < tomeaton17> Yes you are right karlp. I just find it quite interesting 
2018-08-01T13:35:55 < capacitor> amusement is all i found
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2018-08-01T13:37:05 < karlp> Haohmaru: you sure as fuck are. the only thing you've spoken about here this morning is the spamming.
2018-08-01T13:37:25 < Steffanx> you guys have a weird kind of "amusement".
2018-08-01T13:38:08 < Haohmaru> karlp but my attention was akchually elsewhere
2018-08-01T13:38:56 < tomeaton17> It's not amusing anymore
2018-08-01T13:42:15 < Steffanx> Arent you an op in #libopencm3 to do some +r or what Paul Fertser did in #openocd, karlp?
2018-08-01T13:42:46 < capacitor> i'm the operator with my pocket calculator
2018-08-01T13:44:10 < karlp> nope sorry
2018-08-01T13:46:18 < capacitor> 2046
2018-08-01T13:47:51 < tomeaton17> Does n2 visit this channel? 
2018-08-01T13:48:04 < capacitor> havent seen him here
2018-08-01T13:48:18 < Steffanx> He's banned.
2018-08-01T13:48:31 < tomeaton17> Oh right. Can I ask why? 
2018-08-01T13:48:44 < capacitor> -_-
2018-08-01T13:48:50 < Haohmaru> c0z teh sherriff decided so
2018-08-01T13:49:03 < Steffanx> oh, i might be confuse that nick with another one. so i dk.
2018-08-01T13:49:09 < Steffanx> i dont care either.
2018-08-01T13:49:22 < tomeaton17> Ok. 
2018-08-01T13:49:25 < Haohmaru> careless sherriff is doing his thang
2018-08-01T13:49:30 < Haohmaru> ;P~
2018-08-01T13:50:29 < Haohmaru> i wish i was doing some arm crap so that i could steer the conversation back into the on-topic road
2018-08-01T13:50:40 < Haohmaru> (potentially silence)
2018-08-01T13:51:07 < karlp> yes mother fucker. silence is the way if you've got nothing useful.
2018-08-01T13:51:28 < Steffanx> lol karlp.
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2018-08-01T16:01:35 < Laurenceb__> capacitor is Demi Laudner
2018-08-01T16:01:43  * Haohmaru hides behind his umbrella
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2018-08-01T16:44:30 < Laurenceb__> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates!
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2018-08-01T17:07:43 < Haohmaru> Laurenceb__ if Sigyn sees u, u gon get klined
2018-08-01T17:08:18 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/afa34a7f98/130666.jpg which one r u?
2018-08-01T17:08:35 < karlp> fuck off.
2018-08-01T17:09:07 < karlp> youv'e been welcomed back int he past because you can and do have  remotely on topic chats sometimes, 
2018-08-01T17:09:11 < karlp> did you forget to take your meds again?
2018-08-01T17:12:01  * Laurenceb__ takes his Ritalin
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2018-08-01T17:17:39 < Rajko> what is up with all that spam tho
2018-08-01T17:17:42 < Rajko> its on multiple servers
2018-08-01T17:17:47 < Rajko> and doesnt seem to even have a point anymore
2018-08-01T17:20:16 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o karlp] by ChanServ
2018-08-01T17:26:46 < Sadale> I wonder too.
2018-08-01T17:29:20 < Haohmaru> stop wondering cuz karlp haz supah powahs nao
2018-08-01T17:32:56 < englishman> karlp: they are claiming i didnt pay an invoice from april of last year. but i don't have a credit account with them.
2018-08-01T17:34:24 < englishman> also, i confirmed that my salesman was fired, 6 months ago. but his email address still works, and noone set me up with a new salesman.
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2018-08-01T18:00:43 < bitmask> YAY throats are coming today, I thought I had to wait another day.  I can finally test my new titan aero/bltouch setup
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2018-08-01T19:25:17 < Steffanx> A scope that runs PHP, where does it go with this world?
2018-08-01T19:28:23 < Cracki> ?!
2018-08-01T19:28:32 <@karlp> developed by jadew?
2018-08-01T19:28:40 < Cracki> would you prefer it to run nodejs?
2018-08-01T19:29:36 < Steffanx> idk, the siglent scope has a web interface. Its php powered.
2018-08-01T19:33:30 < Steffanx> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/m8hQ0 such professional php. like the way to change the language. 
2018-08-01T19:33:40 < Steffanx> not.
2018-08-01T19:36:47 < Cracki> heh
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2018-08-01T19:39:46 < Steffanx> was actually looking for the php_ commands, but it seems to be a custom php extension
2018-08-01T19:40:23 < kakimir> scope that runs php
2018-08-01T19:42:00 < Steffanx> Yessir.
2018-08-01T19:49:29 < Steffanx> it just some zynq inside, so it runs lunix. kakimir
2018-08-01T19:50:59 < kakimir> it's okay if it's supports other things that php too
2018-08-01T19:51:08 < kakimir> but if it's not
2018-08-01T19:51:17 < kakimir> *doesn't it's not okay
2018-08-01T20:10:14 < kakimir> that is why lunix
2018-08-01T20:10:29 < kakimir> provide interfaces
2018-08-01T20:10:53 < kakimir> what scope?
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2018-08-01T20:40:05 < antto> creamy white scope
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2018-08-01T20:46:55 < Steffanx> siglent scope kakimir.
2018-08-01T20:47:08 < Steffanx> sds1104x-e in this case
2018-08-01T20:47:30 < kakimir> what other languages it supports?
2018-08-01T20:48:50 < Steffanx> the web interface only english and chinees
2018-08-01T20:49:23 < antto> you almost wrote cheeeese
2018-08-01T20:50:05 < antto> hai mr kikimar
2018-08-01T20:50:46 < Steffanx> How old/young are you antto? < 30 yo?
2018-08-01T20:50:56 < antto> nah
2018-08-01T20:51:05 < antto> a lil bit moar
2018-08-01T20:51:09 < antto> why?
2018-08-01T20:52:20 < Steffanx> curiousity.
2018-08-01T20:56:01 < tomeaton17_> they don't like millenials here :p
2018-08-01T20:56:51 < antto> what have i done wrong?! ;P~
2018-08-01T20:57:16 < antto> i didn't even know what that means
2018-08-01T20:57:37 < antto> turns out to be another way to label a bunch of people
2018-08-01T20:57:53 < sync> more labels = more better
2018-08-01T20:57:54 < antto> <thatswacist.jpg>
2018-08-01T20:58:27 < antto> all people are equal, but some are moar equal
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2018-08-01T21:26:52 < englishman> wow btle mesh is super lame
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2018-08-01T21:30:18 < englishman> im going back to sub1ghz shit
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2018-08-01T21:35:25 < jadew> Steffanx, why are you messing with the web interface?
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2018-08-01T21:41:47 < jpa-> Steffanx: haha, that looks a lot like they run php as root also
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2018-08-01T21:42:30 < Steffanx> i think root is the only user used.
2018-08-01T21:42:42 < jpa-> of course
2018-08-01T21:42:44 < jpa-> it's the best user
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2018-08-01T21:43:05 < vampi-the-frog> Muhammad is muslim root.
2018-08-01T21:43:09 < Steffanx> Just did the mod to 200MHz and i noticed 2 php-cgi processes running, jadew.
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2018-08-01T21:46:56 < jpa-> Steffanx: is it otherwise nice scope?
2018-08-01T21:47:12 < Steffanx> Yes, it doing it's job so far.
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2018-08-01T21:48:38 < Steffanx> the UI has some quirks, especially the general purpose encoder thingy. Its a bit counter intuitive for some options.
2018-08-01T21:49:22 < Steffanx> Increasee value > clockwise, lower value > counter clock wise. Which it is for most values, but some are the otherway around. -_-
2018-08-01T21:50:18 < jpa-> i'm almost tempted to get one, but considering how rarely i bother doing anything nowadays it's probably not worth it
2018-08-01T21:50:52 < Steffanx> And some things feel like it's meant for a touch screen, but you have to move around using the same encoder
2018-08-01T21:51:17 < jpa-> oh, no touchscreen? that's a strange choice in this day
2018-08-01T21:51:46 < Steffanx> its still a low end scope..
2018-08-01T21:52:28 < Steffanx> You have no more work or is it the depression crap kicking in (again)?
2018-08-01T21:52:45 < Steffanx> or a case of: None of your business :P
2018-08-01T21:52:48 < jpa-> yeah, but it's not like touchscreens are very expensive anymore - i'm actually kind of surprised those scopes aren't just some cheap tablet connected to fpga
2018-08-01T21:53:16 < jpa-> i have work, but it's mostly coding; depression crap is going strong and part of the reason, but partly just lack of interest lately
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2018-08-01T21:55:00 < jpa-> and always easy to blame lack of time also of course :P
2018-08-01T21:55:34 < kakimir> personal projects?
2018-08-01T21:56:10 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xU329RZkLb_lGWycClT4lxZL2k8gfwSA/view?usp=sharing
2018-08-01T21:56:26 < kakimir> I should start new project on kikecad
2018-08-01T21:57:35 < englishman> ST S2-LP is pretty cheap, certainly much cheaper than lora
2018-08-01T21:58:18 < englishman> jpa-: this should cure your depression https://www.varusteleka.com/en/page/varusteleka-mega-grand-opening-2018/59913
2018-08-01T21:59:17 < jpa-> nope, i don't think it would :P
2018-08-01T21:59:30 < jpa-> even with pea soup and everything
2018-08-01T21:59:36 < englishman> :(
2018-08-01T21:59:40 < jpa-> they don't even have free plastic buckets
2018-08-01T21:59:48 < englishman> no but they have free metal ammo cans
2018-08-01T22:00:01 < jpa-> it's not the same :|
2018-08-01T22:00:44 < kakimir> free plastic buckets are the shit
2018-08-01T22:01:04 < kakimir> how old are you jpa- ?
2018-08-01T22:01:07 < englishman> plz explain the free plastic buckets
2018-08-01T22:01:09 < jpa-> 29
2018-08-01T22:01:18 < bitmask> why does the mail always take forever to come on days when I'm actually waiting.  Its almost always here at 11am-noon, its now 3pm
2018-08-01T22:01:41 < kakimir> I just watched video about how my life is 99% likelly shit because that is life of young man
2018-08-01T22:02:56 < jpa-> englishman: in finland stores give out free plastic buckets (value: 1 EUR) on first day and hundreds of people queue to get them   https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000000799943.html
2018-08-01T22:03:27 < bitmask> strange
2018-08-01T22:03:46 < jpa-> kakimir: my problem is that my life is awesome, but i'm still feeling shitty from time to time
2018-08-01T22:03:52 < englishman> is it only geriatrics that queue, or is it an old-person type store in that article
2018-08-01T22:04:08 < englishman> is there stuff in the bucket
2018-08-01T22:04:12 < jpa-> and the depression is pretty deep when it comes
2018-08-01T22:04:41 < bitmask> my depression has been pretty good lately, havent sunk into a hole in a while
2018-08-01T22:04:53 < jpa-> englishman: no stuff; i see younger people there also
2018-08-01T22:04:59 < bitmask> seems to get better every year
2018-08-01T22:05:51 < jpa-> englishman: but you need to get up at like 6AM to get your bucket, the teenagers will come at noon and cry without bucket
2018-08-01T22:06:00 < bitmask> i'll be great by the time I die :)
2018-08-01T22:06:10 < englishman> that is very depressing
2018-08-01T22:06:13 < englishman> i understand entirely
2018-08-01T22:06:21 < bitmask> haha
2018-08-01T22:07:12 < zyp> sup?
2018-08-01T22:07:24 < zyp> buckets and depression?
2018-08-01T22:07:26 < bitmask> so I destroyed my titan aero heat sink, fucking pissed
2018-08-01T22:07:32 < zyp> bitmask, haha, already?
2018-08-01T22:07:33 < zyp> how?
2018-08-01T22:07:35 < bitmask> $40 for a hunk of aluminum
2018-08-01T22:07:42 < bitmask> I havent even used it yet
2018-08-01T22:08:58 < bitmask> I overtightened everything on the last step of assembly and the heat break throat broke.  I couldn't get the piece out of the heat sink so I had to use a dremel to saw a line to get a flathead screwdriver in there
2018-08-01T22:09:13 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/mgCjRuF.png
2018-08-01T22:10:05 < bitmask> (I forgot I wasn't wearing clothes when I took the pic :/ )
2018-08-01T22:10:37 < zyp> clothes are overrated
2018-08-01T22:10:47 < bitmask> definitely
2018-08-01T22:10:54 < englishman> im stuck on clothes the last 10 minutes
2018-08-01T22:10:58 < englishman> do i get white socks or black socks
2018-08-01T22:11:03 < englishman> on the one hand i don't care
2018-08-01T22:11:06 < englishman> on the other, i can't decide
2018-08-01T22:11:18 < zyp> get as in buy or wear?
2018-08-01T22:11:24 < englishman> buy
2018-08-01T22:11:31 < zyp> black socks
2018-08-01T22:11:31 < Steffanx> Black and white. You have two feet.
2018-08-01T22:11:47 < englishman> it is that time of year where i throw out all my socks and get a ton of new ones
2018-08-01T22:11:59 < zyp> the problem with white socks is that they are only white when you buy them
2018-08-01T22:12:19 < jpa-> i use also other clothes than just socks
2018-08-01T22:12:37 < bitmask> I usually only have socks on
2018-08-01T22:12:38 < zyp> jpa-, why?
2018-08-01T22:12:43 < bitmask> keep that in mind
2018-08-01T22:12:57 < englishman> i think i will procrastinate this sock buying activity
2018-08-01T22:12:58 < bitmask> I have a robe on right now because Im waiting for mails
2018-08-01T22:13:30 < englishman> LoRaWAN software expansion for STM32Cube
2018-08-01T22:14:04 < englishman> so st makes a timecube expansion for semtech lora, but not for their own sigfox s2-lp
2018-08-01T22:14:10 < Steffanx> Dont you have a wife to buy your cloths?
2018-08-01T22:14:53 < jpa-> my wife mostly just hides my clothes
2018-08-01T22:16:06 < bitmask> 4 weekz of zchool
2018-08-01T22:16:12 < englishman> jeez lora is expensive
2018-08-01T22:23:06 < englishman> https://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/data_brief/group1/ed/05/d2/66/09/70/48/80/DM00337417/files/DM00337417.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00337417.pdf
2018-08-01T22:23:08 < englishman> oh neato
2018-08-01T22:23:32 < englishman> that murata module is reasonably priced too
2018-08-01T22:25:02 < englishman> available with L082 crypto mcu inside
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2018-08-01T22:30:09 < jadew> weird so many people here suffer from depression
2018-08-01T22:32:32 < kakimir> jpa-: summer holiday?
2018-08-01T22:32:32 < jadew> what I noticed when I was mainly programming was that I had episodes when I was feeling down after finishing a project
2018-08-01T22:32:35 < kakimir> *vacation
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2018-08-01T22:35:16 < jadew> I always assumed it was the lack of a meaningful social life
2018-08-01T22:36:28 < jadew> few friends, and the ones I had were unable to understand what I was doing
2018-08-01T22:37:23 < bitmask> yeah I wish I could have conversations with my friends about stuff I'm into, no one gets it though so I stopped trying
2018-08-01T22:37:44 < jadew> yeah, that's how it goes
2018-08-01T22:37:49 < tomeaton17_> The only tech friend I have is a python programmer :/
2018-08-01T22:37:56 < jadew> lol tomeaton17_
2018-08-01T22:38:48 < bitmask> I thought I had one friend, he did web stuff. When I started my first real website (which is the web interface for my pen plotter) I asked if he could answer a javascript question and he said he didn't do JS, just html+css
2018-08-01T22:38:48 < jadew> I actually thought of a solution to solve all my problems, not only that one
2018-08-01T22:38:53 < tomeaton17_> yeah so he tells me about hard it is at work and then says it was all okay, we just had to import a module to do it all for us
2018-08-01T22:39:25 < jadew> a city where everyone is like me
2018-08-01T22:39:37 < jadew> that would be sweet
2018-08-01T22:39:41 < englishman> stm32ville
2018-08-01T22:39:56 < tomeaton17_> I feel like no one would talk to each other there
2018-08-01T22:40:21 < bitmask> everyone would go in their room and hang out in an irc channel
2018-08-01T22:40:27 < jadew> tomeaton17_, I think friendships would be awesome in that town
2018-08-01T22:40:45 < Steffanx> Everyone like you? Would be a living hell for sure.
2018-08-01T22:41:01 < Steffanx> (not because you, but because you would clash so hard with you)
2018-08-01T22:41:03 < bitmask> grr where is the mail
2018-08-01T22:41:20 < jadew> Steffanx, well, not with my personality
2018-08-01T22:41:35 < jadew> different personalities, but same interests
2018-08-01T22:41:40 < tomeaton17_> jadew, I guess there would be something to talk about :)
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2018-08-01T22:43:25 < jadew> bitmask, regarding your friend, did you stop talking to him after finding out? :P
2018-08-01T22:44:26 < bitmask> haha not completely.  He is more an acquaintance anyway
2018-08-01T22:44:49 < jadew> jpa-, about people making a line for a 1 EUR bucket, this is romania: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41G2vN2TE2M
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2018-08-01T22:51:06 < jadew> I actually went to a programming camp once
2018-08-01T22:51:13 < jadew> it was AWESOME
2018-08-01T22:51:25 < jadew> everyone was a geek
2018-08-01T22:52:21 < jadew> and I was the only one with a girlfriend there, which boosted my experience 2000%
2018-08-01T22:53:20 < tomeaton17_> I used to do a week long one in summer every year. it was really cool. one of my projects did quite well and I got to present at the open government partnership. but then I got too old :(
2018-08-01T22:53:52 < jadew> I only did it once, then I got too old hehe
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2018-08-01T23:34:32 < englishman> what's a good bench dm
2018-08-01T23:34:34 < englishman> dmm
2018-08-01T23:35:12 < englishman> maybe a rigol + potential hax
2018-08-01T23:36:11 < Steffanx> invzim was totally happy with his siglent i believe.
2018-08-01T23:37:08 < englishman> ooh, available on amazon
2018-08-01T23:37:09 < jadew> do they have 6 1/2 versions?
2018-08-01T23:37:19 < jadew> when I got mine I don't think neither of them did
2018-08-01T23:37:35 < jadew> s/don't//
2018-08-01T23:38:07 < Steffanx> SDM3065X  is 6.5 hence the 65 :P
2018-08-01T23:38:18 < Steffanx> rigol is 6.5 too
2018-08-01T23:38:20 < jadew> neat
2018-08-01T23:38:24 < jadew> how much?
2018-08-01T23:39:10 < Steffanx> in dutchland 820,00 euro. ( for the DM3068) and 829,00  for the siglent (SDM3065X )
2018-08-01T23:39:24 < jadew> not bad
2018-08-01T23:39:34 < englishman> 488 beaverbux for SDM3055 and next-day delivery from amazon
2018-08-01T23:39:55 < englishman>  = 321eur
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2018-08-01T23:40:15 < capacitor> Wut one is best
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2018-08-01T23:40:32 < Steffanx> lol that's 539 here englishman :o
2018-08-01T23:40:44 < Steffanx> the non-a version, who needs gpib anyway
2018-08-01T23:40:52 < englishman> SDM3065X costs way more
2018-08-01T23:41:17 < Steffanx> 829 euros.
2018-08-01T23:41:27 < capacitor> 2200000 cunt meter
2018-08-01T23:41:44 < Rickta59> i havea keithley 5.5 someone gave me .. seems nice
2018-08-01T23:41:46 < capacitor> Over 1000 Aussie sheks
2018-08-01T23:42:24 < Rickta59> I think hey are like $600
2018-08-01T23:42:59 < englishman> siglent looks pretty good for 321eur
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2018-08-01T23:44:16 < jadew> I think that's the one I've been considering too
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2018-08-01T23:49:29 < jadew> englishman, you might get more value out of a second hand keysight
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2018-08-01T23:52:48 < jadew> I remember now why I went for the 34410A
2018-08-01T23:53:26 < jadew> it's on par with the new 34465A on many of its specifications
2018-08-01T23:53:35 < jadew> for example, it can do 50 000 readings per second
2018-08-01T23:54:32 < Steffanx> And its only 1.3k euro ;)
2018-08-01T23:55:01 < capacitor> Yeeehaaaaa
2018-08-01T23:55:30 < jadew> surely you can find it cheaper
2018-08-01T23:55:36 < jadew> they've been discontinued last year
2018-08-01T23:55:48 < jadew> or maybe this year?
2018-08-01T23:57:23 < Steffanx> 5.5 is ok too.
2018-08-01T23:57:34 < jadew> yeah
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2018-08-02T00:01:52 < bitmask> finally mail here
2018-08-02T00:01:54 < bitmask> only 5 hours late
2018-08-02T00:04:42 < jadew> also, I think the display on the graphical ones is just great
2018-08-02T00:04:51 < jadew> huge improvement over VFD
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2018-08-02T00:48:29 <@karlp> englishman: what were you trying to do with btl3 mesh?
2018-08-02T00:48:44 < englishman> dick around
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2018-08-02T00:55:43 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cjk5POMPUC5ibiytklDWCvV7m0i9vzw6/view?usp=sharing
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2018-08-02T01:00:39 < englishman> https://shop.imst.de/wireless-modules/lora-products/8/ic880a-spi-lorawan-concentrator-868-mhz
2018-08-02T01:00:41 < englishman> cheap
2018-08-02T01:01:56 < capacitor> What’s it do
2018-08-02T01:04:31 < englishman> internet of dicks
2018-08-02T01:05:24 < capacitor> Perfect
2018-08-02T01:05:29 < capacitor> I’ll buy 100
2018-08-02T01:05:32 < kakimir> I see SMA potential
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2018-08-02T01:32:25 < capacitor> Yes mr K
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2018-08-02T02:23:35 < englishman> Laird gateways seem to be the best price:features ratio for lorawan gateways
2018-08-02T02:23:48 < englishman> know anything about lorawan karlp ?
2018-08-02T02:28:24 < englishman> >tesla misses sales expectations
2018-08-02T02:28:34 < englishman> >loses nearly 3x as much money as last year
2018-08-02T02:28:37 < englishman> >no cash left
2018-08-02T02:28:40 < englishman> >stock goes up 10%
2018-08-02T02:36:32 < Cracki> 10%? where can that be seen
2018-08-02T02:38:01 < Cracki> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1022430321696858113
2018-08-02T02:38:09 < englishman> earnings was at 4pm, so it is in after-hours trading
2018-08-02T02:42:36 < Cracki> https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1024791046100738048
2018-08-02T02:50:17 <@karlp> englishman: sorry, real world intervened. 
2018-08-02T02:50:35 <@karlp> lora seems completely useless for anyone except telcos or farmers.
2018-08-02T02:50:50 <@karlp> I don't see why I would want to roll out my own base stations 
2018-08-02T02:50:58 <@karlp> was just curious what bt meshing you were doing.
2018-08-02T02:51:27 <@karlp> I've entertained the idea that it can do some replacement of rs485 we've got, but I'm pretty dubious of it being reliable enough for enough devices.
2018-08-02T02:57:24 < englishman> well i am interested in something farmers might be interested in, but btle mesh seems too immature and complex and unreliable for me
2018-08-02T02:57:34 < englishman> lorawan looks much more mature and reliable
2018-08-02T02:57:42 < englishman> and is cheaper than i thought.
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2018-08-02T02:57:58 <@karlp> yeah, we had been having pain with the cabling for multidrop rs485.
2018-08-02T02:58:04 < englishman> even for at-home internet of dicks
2018-08-02T02:58:11 <@karlp> but btle was only going to cut the multidrop, not the power.
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2018-08-02T02:58:33 <@karlp> turns out just getting custom cables made eliminates 99% of the pain without any hardware/software/radio fuckery
2018-08-02T02:58:42 < englishman> it's a little bit meshy too, as you can have multiple base stations servicing a single end-node
2018-08-02T02:58:44 <@karlp> so I'm still curious how it might work, but not doing it myself.
2018-08-02T02:59:21 <@karlp> lora sounds like it's going to be super popular for local deployments, until nb-iot or lte-m deployments roll out and just destroy it.
2018-08-02T02:59:29 <@karlp> sure, it can do it lower power, but *shrugs*
2018-08-02T02:59:50 < englishman> i am looking at distances and configurations that exclude wiring immediately, and dont know much abut rs485 multidrop so cant really relate
2018-08-02T03:00:12 < Cracki> lora's strength is distance
2018-08-02T03:00:17 <@karlp> yeah, totalyl different indeed.
2018-08-02T03:00:21 < Cracki> good luck getting that with btle
2018-08-02T03:00:34 <@karlp> I'm looking at 20-30 devices in ~3-4m²
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2018-08-02T03:00:51 < englishman> idk, everything related to actual-cellular will be 10+ years before it is as cheap as regular rf
2018-08-02T03:00:53 <@karlp> and going, "I'd like someone else to proev that first :)"
2018-08-02T03:00:56 < Cracki> and unless you want to mesh them, a "base station" is a natural thing to have
2018-08-02T03:01:24 < englishman> the base stations are much more sophisticated and cheaper than i expected, too
2018-08-02T03:01:25 <@karlp> depends how many nodes you need I guess. (for price of stuff)
2018-08-02T03:01:30 < aandrew> cat m1 is looking real promising
2018-08-02T03:01:35 <@karlp> also, us carriers aren't exactly beacons of modern shit
2018-08-02T03:01:42 < englishman> exactly.
2018-08-02T03:01:49 <@karlp> carriers here have approached us to offer us network testing of nb-iot.
2018-08-02T03:02:00 < englishman> lucky yuros.
2018-08-02T03:02:20 <@karlp> embedded world year before last was _full_ of china offering lora shitz
2018-08-02T03:02:41 < englishman> cellular based iot will probably start at $1/message
2018-08-02T03:02:45 < englishman> in this country
2018-08-02T03:02:57 < Cracki> internet of shitting gold
2018-08-02T03:03:56 < englishman> idk, for 350 beaverbux you get some pretty high end rf electronics and embedded lunix, with software to back it up
2018-08-02T03:04:31 < englishman> then with sensors costing <$10 with precert'd modules
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2018-08-02T04:10:40 < bitmask> think arctic silver alumia can handle 250C
2018-08-02T04:12:20 < sync> why not
2018-08-02T04:12:40 < sync> the silicon grease will leak out
2018-08-02T04:12:42 < sync> but pfft
2018-08-02T04:13:14 < bitmask> so no? I can't tell how sarcastic you are being
2018-08-02T04:15:35 < sync> well, there is solids in there
2018-08-02T04:22:24 < Cracki> source work! always consult the primary source! http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_alumina.htm
2018-08-02T04:22:48 < Cracki> they say peak 160C, so if you wanna *know* what happens, try 250C or send them an email ;)
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2018-08-02T04:23:19 < bitmask> as long as its not toxic id be ok with whatever happens, but I guess I can't know that either
2018-08-02T04:26:26 < Cracki> you can do a trial with some lab mice
2018-08-02T04:26:44 < Cracki> a while ago I saw an invoice for a 5 figures number of lab mice...
2018-08-02T04:26:47 < bitmask> i sent em an email
2018-08-02T04:26:50 < bitmask> but I don't want to wait
2018-08-02T04:29:03 < bitmask> I guess I'll get some silicone tomorrow
2018-08-02T04:30:40 < Cracki> that stuff is two-component glue?
2018-08-02T04:30:49 < Cracki> so maybe not silicone
2018-08-02T04:31:05 < Cracki> or maybe it is... silicone is two component too
2018-08-02T04:32:38 < Cracki> hazmat decl sheds some light: epoxy resin
2018-08-02T04:32:50 < Cracki> so... figure out what epoxy does at 250c
2018-08-02T04:34:21 < Cracki> wikipedia says resins that are _not_ cured thermally are _not_ as resistant to heat
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2018-08-02T04:41:15 < bitmask> no I meant I would pick up some silicone since I know that works for high heat
2018-08-02T04:47:26 < Cracki> ic
2018-08-02T04:47:39 < Cracki> that stuff is actual glue. what do do you want to glue together?
2018-08-02T05:25:29 < capacitor> Rofl at the pedo spam campaign on freenode
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2018-08-02T05:26:40 < bitmask> my 3d printer thermistor wire covering came loose from pulling it out one too many times, cheap shit, just wanted to keep it from shorting
2018-08-02T05:27:29 < bitmask> until replacement comes in hopefully less than a week
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2018-08-02T07:37:12 < jpa-> bitmask: i'd just wrap it with some kapton tape
2018-08-02T07:39:17 < bitmask> I did that in addition but only doing that wouldn't have been enough, it was a weird combination of the insulation being in the way but not fully there
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2018-08-02T09:10:27 < machinehum> hi
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2018-08-02T09:59:23 < capacitor> Hi
2018-08-02T10:01:23 < capacitor> Is steffan alright, do you know?
2018-08-02T10:01:43 < jpa-> no, he is deeply disturbed by the state of this channel
2018-08-02T10:03:12 < capacitor> I hope he gets well soon
2018-08-02T10:04:35 < zyp> he was allright the other day
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2018-08-02T10:26:51 < Haohmaru> capacitor y don't u ask him, he's here
2018-08-02T10:30:59 < capacitor> that's what i've got the bear for..
2018-08-02T10:31:34 < Haohmaru> wat
2018-08-02T10:32:55 < capacitor> i'm reading bob pease
2018-08-02T10:33:45 < Haohmaru> i'm reading bout surface-mount assembly process
2018-08-02T10:33:47 < Haohmaru> x_x
2018-08-02T10:41:23 < capacitor> {:
2018-08-02T10:41:59 < Haohmaru> that's a suspicious smile
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2018-08-02T10:55:00 < Haohmaru> hm... :/
2018-08-02T10:55:02 < Haohmaru> NURSE!
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2018-08-02T12:10:11 < Steffanx> Nah its just sad that the interesting twlk moved to other channels, jpa-. Mr karl is totally right.
2018-08-02T12:10:18 < Steffanx> talk*
2018-08-02T12:12:37 < Steffanx> And karlp is probably raging because he reads the entire backlog :P
2018-08-02T12:14:56 < Haohmaru> well he got teh big iron boot now, he can enforce teh rules
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2018-08-02T12:35:15 <@karlp> it's like three screens, why would this be terribly upsetting?
2018-08-02T12:37:18 < tomeaton17> why isn't there an ##stm32-offtopic?
2018-08-02T12:43:10 <@karlp> because that channel is #<whereverelseyoulike>
2018-08-02T12:48:53 < tomeaton17> I don't understand.
2018-08-02T12:53:10 <@karlp> just go to ##stm32-offtopic :) you can talk about whatever you like there.
2018-08-02T12:53:26 < capacitor> i was waiting for that response
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2018-08-02T12:55:18 < invzim> any analog/op-amp gurus around?
2018-08-02T12:55:55 < invzim> or anyone that has actually used an op-amp with negative supply? :)
2018-08-02T12:56:17 < jpa-> i have
2018-08-02T12:57:59 < Haohmaru> tomeaton17 because certain people who talk off-topic would still come <here> to do it, by habbit
2018-08-02T12:58:22 < Haohmaru> i could be wrong tho
2018-08-02T12:58:38 < tomeaton17> Haohmaru, ah ok I guess that makes sense. Would have to enforced by the overlord
2018-08-02T12:58:51 < Haohmaru> yeah
2018-08-02T12:59:00 < invzim> jpa-: any special things to consider on power sequencing?  Is it normal that positive voltage bleeds out on the negative supply pin if not powered?
2018-08-02T12:59:06 < Haohmaru> or just make an "ontopic" channel, and silently move there
2018-08-02T12:59:10 < invzim> and how did you get the negative voltage?
2018-08-02T12:59:40 <@karlp> invzim: is this your problem with you rinverter startup?
2018-08-02T12:59:54 < invzim> yes - trying to track down the root cause
2018-08-02T13:00:25 < invzim> the board in question that causes issues use an old TL074 op-amp
2018-08-02T13:00:52 < invzim> it's of course one of the more iconic and expensive games ever (Bubble Bobble), and kind of hard to get one on my desk to play with for those reasons :)
2018-08-02T13:03:43 < jpa-> invzim: i made negative supply with a dc-dc converter from positive one
2018-08-02T13:04:14 < jpa-> you can put diodes to GND if you don't want the rails to go wrong polarity when not supplied
2018-08-02T13:04:19 < jpa-> the opamp doesn't care but other chips might
2018-08-02T13:04:37 < invzim> but then you'll get about 0.7V voltage drop
2018-08-02T13:05:06 < jpa-> i mean to sink the wrong polarity, in which case it will go up to 0.7V to the wrong side
2018-08-02T13:05:36 < invzim> mm, not sure if that's good enough for the picky TI chip that's refusing to behave
2018-08-02T13:05:41 < invzim> but certainly worth a try
2018-08-02T13:05:50 < jpa-> what chip is it, and how is it connected?
2018-08-02T13:06:55 < invzim> I'm using lm2776, plain reference implementation.  The op-amp in question is an old LM074
2018-08-02T13:08:15 < jpa-> and the problem is that LM2776 doesn't start if there is already a positive voltage at output?
2018-08-02T13:09:05 < invzim> tl074, https://drive.google.com/open?id=1dAjRS9VFWeFqjKF-6knzzrOOgy5Q1nks
2018-08-02T13:09:13 < invzim> jpa-: that's the current theory
2018-08-02T13:09:28 < jpa-> seems like something that would be quite easy to test
2018-08-02T13:10:00 < invzim> I tried a 10k pullup, but worked fine
2018-08-02T13:18:11 < capacitor> hmm
2018-08-02T13:37:42 < Steffanx> What are you doing btw invzim? Reviving some old device or .. ?
2018-08-02T13:42:03 < jadew> invzim, hold on, you're not sure that's what's happening?
2018-08-02T13:45:56 < jadew> how many opamps are you using?
2018-08-02T13:46:21 < jadew> the TL074 takes 1.4 mA (typ) per opamp
2018-08-02T13:47:08 < jadew> so you should have tried with at least a 7k ohm resistor
2018-08-02T13:47:48 < jadew> (depending on what exactly your negative rail thingie detects)
2018-08-02T13:48:07 < jadew> if it's just voltage, then it wouldn't matter how weak the pullup was
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2018-08-02T14:14:29 <@karlp> heh, recom pimping a dcdc converter to run off a signel battery all the way down to 0.65V.
2018-08-02T14:14:37 <@karlp> stillhas 130uA Iq
2018-08-02T14:22:08 < invzim> Steffanx: sort of, https://irkenlabs.com/jammafier/introduction
2018-08-02T14:22:32 < invzim> jadew: I'll give it a go with lower values
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2018-08-02T14:23:57 < jadew> "Each time you use the Jammafier, you risk catastrophic failure of your cabinet, Jammafier or game. These failures can lead to a fire."
2018-08-02T14:24:01 < jadew> great sales pitch
2018-08-02T14:24:58 < invzim> YES
2018-08-02T14:25:40 < invzim> it's not shipped yet, will probably change that stuff - but some people will likely do 'stupid-stuff' with this device
2018-08-02T14:27:25 < Haohmaru> google will remember the current text
2018-08-02T14:27:26 < Haohmaru> ;P~
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2018-08-02T15:10:12 < jadew> I thought I can get in a better mood by listening to the music I used to enjoy when I was a bit younger
2018-08-02T15:10:36 < Haohmaru> that will probably be distracting
2018-08-02T15:10:44 < jadew> the music is better than what I'm listening to now, but I could easily kill myself on it
2018-08-02T15:11:09 < jadew> all of it has a dark overtone
2018-08-02T15:11:35 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMFWFhTFohk
2018-08-02T15:11:36 < Haohmaru> listen to some funky house
2018-08-02T15:11:46 < jadew> never been into house
2018-08-02T15:12:08 < Haohmaru> hi-lo & funkagenda - wtf ;P~
2018-08-02T15:12:14 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-1GZdSdEgo
2018-08-02T15:12:45 < jadew> love Marianne Faithfull's voice
2018-08-02T15:12:49 < kakimir> do you always listen this grim music jadew ?
2018-08-02T15:12:51 < jadew> that whole album is gold
2018-08-02T15:13:09 < jadew> kakimir, I think I used to
2018-08-02T15:13:18 < jadew> didn't realize it was like that back then
2018-08-02T15:14:53 < jadew> I listened to happier tunes too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N0sBo1cfNU
2018-08-02T15:15:22 < Steffanx> Lol all the titles are kinda dark or negative too jadew :D
2018-08-02T15:15:37 < jadew> this is probably their best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGgsVRk96Qo
2018-08-02T15:15:45 < Steffanx> That last one isnt happier. At all.
2018-08-02T15:15:52 < Steffanx> *2nd last.
2018-08-02T15:16:23 < Steffanx> And imho its awful
2018-08-02T15:16:34 < jadew> Steffanx, what about the last one?
2018-08-02T15:16:39 < Steffanx> Same.
2018-08-02T15:16:50 < jadew> I absolutely love that one
2018-08-02T15:17:46 < jpa-> can't see how anyone could possibly listen to that crap ;)
2018-08-02T15:18:13 < jadew> really? you're talking about the dresden dolls?
2018-08-02T15:18:32 < Steffanx> its quite noisy and chaotic. And the voice is unpleasant (imho)
2018-08-02T15:18:34 < Haohmaru> i lied a bit.. it's this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWYr3QnT64M
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2018-08-02T15:19:25 < jadew> Steffanx, I've heard people complaining about the voices of the signers I like before
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2018-08-02T15:27:53  * karlp seemed to remember dresden dolls differently.
2018-08-02T15:29:03 < jadew> I think they broke up
2018-08-02T15:29:28 <@karlp> is amander palmer still doing anything?
2018-08-02T15:29:30 < jadew> they didn't
2018-08-02T15:29:59 <@karlp> she had some big crowdfundging thing a few years back for a new album?
2018-08-02T15:30:24 <@karlp> yes, looks like still very active: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-5y7sCDxYw
2018-08-02T15:30:41 < jadew> heh
2018-08-02T15:31:14 < jadew> I think I liked most of these songs because of the instrumental
2018-08-02T15:32:26 < jadew> the songs as a whole are good too, but there seems to be a common theme amongst them
2018-08-02T15:34:55 < Steffanx> Nothing beats the music of my youth. 90s music <3
2018-08-02T15:36:15 < Haohmaru> Darude - Sandstorm beats it any day
2018-08-02T15:36:32 <@karlp> well yes, sandstorm wins all.
2018-08-02T15:37:10 < Steffanx> fyi Haohmaru, that's also 90s :P
2018-08-02T15:37:48 < Haohmaru> no, it's 00s but it was so good that it had to go back in time and get the 90s out of their misery
2018-08-02T15:37:59 < Steffanx> officially its 1999. 
2018-08-02T15:38:44 < Haohmaru> to say it another way.. if sandstorm didn't come out in 1999, there wouldn't have been a year 2000
2018-08-02T15:38:45 < Haohmaru> ;P~
2018-08-02T15:38:56 < Steffanx> but the finnish kept it for a year for themselves.
2018-08-02T15:39:14 < Steffanx> wtf is ;P~ ?
2018-08-02T15:39:28 < Haohmaru> a smiley
2018-08-02T15:39:35 < Haohmaru> u know.. like in IRC..
2018-08-02T15:39:54 < Steffanx> i know ;), i know :P, i dont know ;P~
2018-08-02T15:40:09 < Haohmaru> ur the second person who asks me today
2018-08-02T15:40:12 < Haohmaru> something's fishy
2018-08-02T15:40:14 < jadew> 90's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAFuD-S-e_E
2018-08-02T15:41:00 < jadew> didn't age well
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2018-08-02T15:45:39 < Steffanx> Whats the point in using a smiley no one knows, Haohmaru? :D
2018-08-02T15:45:57 < Steffanx> Must be some inside joke
2018-08-02T15:46:18 < Haohmaru> wut's the point in starting your sentences with capital leters?
2018-08-02T15:46:48 < jadew> I never understood what that smiley stands for either
2018-08-02T15:47:03 < jadew> is it a drooling smiley?
2018-08-02T15:47:13 < Haohmaru> <bingo.wav>
2018-08-02T15:47:24 < jadew> is it also winking?
2018-08-02T15:47:33 < Haohmaru> that's undefined
2018-08-02T15:47:39 < jadew> well, that's what makes it weird
2018-08-02T15:47:49 < Steffanx> Whatever, bye Haohmaru.
2018-08-02T15:48:06 < Haohmaru> baibai Steffanx
2018-08-02T15:48:08 < Haohmaru> *shrug*
2018-08-02T15:50:40 < jpa-> basically 😜  but with extra drool
2018-08-02T15:50:56 < Haohmaru> extra thicc drool
2018-08-02T15:51:14 < jpa-> \uE105  that is
2018-08-02T15:52:08 < jadew> can only think of one type of person that closes one eye while having their mouths open and the tongue out
2018-08-02T15:52:44 < Haohmaru> hm
2018-08-02T15:53:00 < Haohmaru> don't say miley c pls
2018-08-02T15:53:46 < jadew> I meant porn stars (and probably whores - I wouldn't know)
2018-08-02T15:54:16 < Haohmaru> ah, do you associate every smiley to a pornstar? ;P~
2018-08-02T15:54:41 < jadew> no, but I think from now on I'll associate that one with someone getting ready to receive a load
2018-08-02T15:55:20 < Haohmaru> well, it's not like the expression in the dumb emoji
2018-08-02T15:55:33 < Haohmaru> the emoji looks closer to what i'd expect from pr0n
2018-08-02T15:56:03 < Haohmaru> mine really is.. turn your head 90° and look at it
2018-08-02T15:56:16 < Haohmaru> the tongue is on one side, the mouth is closed
2018-08-02T15:56:22 < Haohmaru> looks neutral
2018-08-02T15:58:01 < Haohmaru> but if the time has come - watch some pr0n ;P~
2018-08-02T15:58:36 < jpa-> .. because having your mouth closed and tongue on one side makes it look "less dumb"?
2018-08-02T15:58:58 < Steffanx> Im tempted to turn Haohmaru into this smiley :
2018-08-02T15:59:10 < Haohmaru> just eyes?
2018-08-02T15:59:47 < Steffanx>  +q.
2018-08-02T15:59:59 < Steffanx> aka quiet.
2018-08-02T16:00:07 < jadew> so :+q
2018-08-02T16:00:14 < Haohmaru> :x
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2018-08-02T16:02:18 < Haohmaru> Steffanx well u asked me.. now u don't like teh consequences
2018-08-02T16:02:43 < Steffanx> I asked, you didnt even try to answer, so fuck off.
2018-08-02T16:03:11 < Haohmaru> because the answer is long ^
2018-08-02T16:03:20 < Haohmaru> and leads to offtopic discussions
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2018-08-02T16:44:28 < zyp> have I missed anything interesting or just the usual bullshit?
2018-08-02T16:50:57 < karlp> nothing really, just less interesting chats and mroe noise
2018-08-02T16:51:14 < karlp> normality is being restored.
2018-08-02T16:54:23 < zyp> good good
2018-08-02T16:55:05 < Steffanx> Fuck you guys too btw. zyp has the power to do something about it as well and so did karlp for a bit. You guys never REALLY seemed to care.
2018-08-02T16:55:09 < Steffanx> So dont complain now either.
2018-08-02T16:55:27 < karlp> I'm not, Haohmaru was good for a while, so I didn't have anything to do.
2018-08-02T16:58:58 < zyp> uh, what?
2018-08-02T16:59:42 < Steffanx> Flags +o were set on karlp in ##stm32. enjoy.
2018-08-02T17:00:46 < zyp> I didn't mean to be complaining or anything, just bored on the ferry and wondering if I missed any interesting reads
2018-08-02T17:02:28 < Steffanx> Perhaps the heat is getting to me. :P
2018-08-02T17:02:42 < Steffanx> "Go outside" > No outside it's even worse.
2018-08-02T17:02:50 < zyp> haha
2018-08-02T17:03:41 < Cracki> get a wet towel and a fan perhaps
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2018-08-02T17:57:52 < invzim> jadew: reproduced!  100ohm / 50ma positive input on the vout pin causes trouble
2018-08-02T17:58:02 < invzim> i.e. 100ohm 5v pullup on -5v rail
2018-08-02T17:58:15 < invzim> and is not related to startup
2018-08-02T17:58:47 < Cracki> what are you doing?
2018-08-02T17:59:04 < invzim> troubleshooting misuse of a lm2776 voltage inverter thingie
2018-08-02T17:59:24 < invzim> jadew had some good ointers
2018-08-02T18:00:25 < karlp> it soundsd like you have bigger problems if you ar egetting that strong a pullup on your -5 rail....
2018-08-02T18:01:23 < invzim> that's an external system
2018-08-02T18:01:32 < invzim> now how to fix this 
2018-08-02T18:01:51 < invzim> I guess it's two fighting supplies kindof
2018-08-02T18:02:38 < jpa-> does 50 ohm pullup to 0V do the same?
2018-08-02T18:05:14 < invzim> it should be able to do 250ma, but I'll test just to be sure
2018-08-02T18:05:47 < jpa-> yeah
2018-08-02T18:06:21 < invzim> oh, and thanks for your input also, 2xJ nick :)
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2018-08-02T18:09:11 < qyx> anyone actually tried uclinux on the F4/F7/H7?
2018-08-02T18:09:47 < qyx> idk how much usable it will be running from sdram
2018-08-02T18:11:38 < qyx> ah clive knows
2018-08-02T18:11:40 < qyx>  On the 429 with SDRAM mapped into executable space the execution is 6x slower than from internal RAM.
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2018-08-02T18:32:00 < englishman> any innovation chats today
2018-08-02T18:32:07 < englishman> il be buying some lorawan stuff to try out
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2018-08-02T18:49:45 < karlp> vampi can come back when they settle down, but they were using this as the "anything _but_ what I was working on"
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2018-08-02T18:55:05 < Steffanx> hmm, i didnt know we actually have a country covering lora network. (commercial ofcourse). The thingsnetwork isnt even close.
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2018-08-02T18:58:36 < invzim> lora is kind of niche without being able to do over-the-air firmware updates?
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2018-08-02T19:03:47 < Steffanx> Why would over-the-air updates would make kind of niche invzim? 
2018-08-02T19:03:59 < Steffanx> *not being able to do
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2018-08-02T19:04:47 < Laurenceb> sup
2018-08-02T19:10:06 < karlp> pretty sure all the lora stuff I've seen advertises OTA as being supported....
2018-08-02T19:10:35 < Laurenceb> muh influxdb
2018-08-02T19:10:43 < karlp> hrm, no, maybe not
2018-08-02T19:11:19 < Laurenceb> funtimes https://pastebin.com/TS0TwH3v
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2018-08-02T19:11:32 < Steffanx> Here its all in the 868 MHz ISM band which has a duty cycle of 1% so updates are gonna take a while then.
2018-08-02T19:12:32 < Steffanx> What kind of weird format is that Laurenceb? Looks like json but it isnt.
2018-08-02T19:12:42 < Laurenceb> its weird influxdb shit
2018-08-02T19:12:47 < Laurenceb> its also broken
2018-08-02T19:12:54 < Steffanx> or it is json, but with another format inside.
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2018-08-02T19:20:40 < Laurenceb> oh wow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogp7-4Y4Q7A&list=RDOgp7-4Y4Q7A&t=93
2018-08-02T19:20:46 < Laurenceb> my sides are orbital
2018-08-02T19:21:30 < Laurenceb> musical autism
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2018-08-02T19:31:09 < karlp> looks like badly escaped writes toyour db
2018-08-02T19:32:24 < qyx> I would assume it doesn't like the ()
2018-08-02T19:32:55 < qyx> also it says bad timestamp
2018-08-02T19:33:25 < qyx> maybe missing decimal point after seconds?
2018-08-02T19:33:58 < Laurenceb> maybe it is extra ''
2018-08-02T19:34:38 < Laurenceb> ooh it is
2018-08-02T19:36:28 < Laurenceb> it doesnt like matlab 'NA' but other than that it works.. slowly
2018-08-02T19:36:34 < Laurenceb> about 1/4 real time
2018-08-02T19:41:32 < englishman> Steffanx: isnt the point of the things network that you can use their stuff privately. commercial stuff is if you want to avoid setting up base stations
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2018-08-02T19:43:35 < Steffanx> "BUILDING A GLOBAL INTERNET OF 
2018-08-02T19:44:06 < Steffanx> Sounds to me its the same thing but not commercially
2018-08-02T19:45:32 < Laurenceb> of autistic drill music
2018-08-02T19:45:38 < englishman> you can set up a public basestation, but there is zero benefit to the basestation owner
2018-08-02T19:46:04 < englishman> there is one in groningen
2018-08-02T19:46:18 < englishman> no, there are 22
2018-08-02T19:46:48 < englishman> http://thethingsnetwork-groningen.org
2018-08-02T19:47:27 < Laurenceb> wow how did I not know about drill before, this is peak autism
2018-08-02T19:48:31 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mFIXlZAxsI irl lolling hard
2018-08-02T19:49:09 < Laurenceb> its like if the autistic 11 year olds "special needs class" at school tried to make music video
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2018-08-02T19:58:56 < Steffanx> Yes, the benefit is "being" nice, but i wouldnt trust such network either. It's all up to the base station owner to keep it online or not.
2018-08-02T19:59:25 < Steffanx> especially with a website that lists only messages from 2015
2018-08-02T20:00:51 < englishman> yes
2018-08-02T20:01:00 < englishman> now that i think about it there is very little benefit to the user too
2018-08-02T20:01:10 < englishman> you are completely at the mercy of some opensores dudes to save $300
2018-08-02T20:02:12 < Steffanx> Ofcourrse that applies to a commercial network too
2018-08-02T20:02:19 < englishman> https://www.tindie.com/products/will123321/sx1308-raspberry-pi-lora-gateway-board/
2018-08-02T20:02:22 < englishman> opensores
2018-08-02T20:02:35 < englishman> so its not even $300, basestations are like $150 if you go opensores
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2018-08-02T20:03:02 < friendofafriend> You're already at the mercy of open source.  Embrace it.
2018-08-02T20:03:04 < Steffanx> Best part about the commercial network here is that it also does some geolocation, up to +-100m
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2018-08-02T20:03:23 < englishman> interesting
2018-08-02T20:09:06 < karlp> fuckinghell.   been trying to figure out a CRC calculation all afternoon.
2018-08-02T20:09:11 < karlp> even have the source from the vendor 
2018-08-02T20:09:20 < karlp> it's hideos, and seems to nibble swap 
2018-08-02T20:09:24 < karlp> but still can't get it right.
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2018-08-02T20:10:53 < bitmask> hah bone conducting transducers are fun
2018-08-02T20:11:06 < bitmask> hold it to your elbow, stick your finger in your ear and music
2018-08-02T20:12:57 < kakimir> fuckhell
2018-08-02T20:14:24 < englishman> apple is now a one trillion dollar company
2018-08-02T20:14:25 < englishman> cool
2018-08-02T20:25:40 < englishman> edison boards failing fcc cert due to wifi
2018-08-02T20:26:22 < kakimir> how?
2018-08-02T20:26:28 < kakimir> your product?
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2018-08-02T20:26:57 < englishman> yes but not my antenna happily
2018-08-02T20:26:59 < englishman> still, sux
2018-08-02T20:27:19 < antto> karlp could all the bits be reversed in order?
2018-08-02T20:27:22 < kakimir> doesn't different rules apply for radio devices?
2018-08-02T20:27:58 < kakimir> or did the product exceed power limits?
2018-08-02T20:28:01 < antto> i recently had to deal with the CRC32 on the xmega and my head still hurts
2018-08-02T20:28:23 < kakimir> power per square centimeter or cubic centimeter or smt?
2018-08-02T20:31:31 < kakimir> back to works>
2018-08-02T20:31:56 < englishman> i think its actually due to two wifi devices in the same unit lol
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2018-08-02T21:00:03 < englishman> eagle.exe is not responding.
2018-08-02T21:04:23 < fenugrec> karlp if you need a 3rd party impl, https://www.lammertbies.nl/comm/info/crc-calculation.html
2018-08-02T21:09:05 < jpa-> reverse-engineering CRC's is kind-of fun
2018-08-02T21:09:10 < jpa-> a bit like sudokus
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2018-08-02T21:20:42 < mawk> is 10ms a good hold time for debouncing ?
2018-08-02T21:20:56 < mawk> once in a while I still get some bouncing with this value
2018-08-02T21:21:20 < jpa-> you can usually find the bounce time in switch specs
2018-08-02T21:21:25 < mawk> with time constant = 33.3ms, that is rise time = 10 ms
2018-08-02T21:21:26 < mawk> ah, nice
2018-08-02T21:21:28 < fenugrec> mawk well you have your answer then ! it's in the right order of magnitude, but yeah. Can you RC filter your switch
2018-08-02T21:21:36 < jpa-> but 100ms is quite typical, worn out crappy switches can need even 200ms
2018-08-02T21:22:05 < mawk> that seem a long time
2018-08-02T21:22:12 < jpa-> and remember that any switch type will start to bounce more as it wears
2018-08-02T21:23:07 < mawk> my presses are less than 100ms so sometimes the press isn't registered
2018-08-02T21:23:10 < mawk> so I guess an intermediate value will do
2018-08-02T21:23:55 < jpa-> um, wouldn't it be enough to discard any further presses within 100ms? no need to ignore the initial press
2018-08-02T21:24:08 < mawk> ah, good idea
2018-08-02T21:24:31 < jpa-> (looks like quite few cheap switches actually specify bounce time)
2018-08-02T21:24:44 < mawk> for now I'm just RC-filtering the whole button input
2018-08-02T21:24:57 < mawk> and I wait for the filter output to go to 95%
2018-08-02T21:25:07 < jpa-> you are reading it with analog input?
2018-08-02T21:25:21 < mawk> no, I did the rc in software
2018-08-02T21:25:35 < jpa-> sounds way overkill for software debouncing
2018-08-02T21:25:39 < mawk> I read the digital input and every ms I iterate what I got from the differential equation for an RC filter for square signal
2018-08-02T21:25:53 < mawk> well it's almost like the ±1 every ms trick
2018-08-02T21:26:04 < mawk> in the end
2018-08-02T21:26:06 < jpa-> sounds strange
2018-08-02T21:26:58 < jpa-> i always just do    if (button) { if (time_now() > previous_time + 100) { handle_press(); }   previous_time = time_now();  }
2018-08-02T21:27:07 < mawk> new value = (button state + T/3 * old value) / (1 + T/3);
2018-08-02T21:27:24 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-02T21:30:17 < mawk> it amounts to the same
2018-08-02T21:30:32 < mawk> except that I know the precise time for when the button is released too
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2018-08-02T21:38:56 < mawk> but GPIO ports should do a bit of debouncing by themselves no ? with hysterysis
2018-08-02T21:39:04 < mawk> or whatever it's spelled
2018-08-02T21:39:39 < mawk> or maybe the voltage goes too low too quick to do that properly
2018-08-02T21:40:21 < mawk> but maybe for my digital RC filter to be fully operational I need to effectively disable hysteresis
2018-08-02T21:42:39 < jpa-> sure, you can filter just by analog RC filter and the schmitt trigger on gpio, but it will usually be quite slow (because the hysteresis is small compared to the total voltage range)
2018-08-02T21:43:13 < jpa-> but in my opinion, there is no point trying to emulate RC filter for debouncing, because RC filtering is not a good strategy for debouncing to start with
2018-08-02T21:43:27 < mawk> ah
2018-08-02T21:43:30 < mawk> why not ?
2018-08-02T21:44:49 < jpa-> because the length of pulse it will filter out will depend on the current value in the capacitor
2018-08-02T21:45:26 < mawk> but isn't that what we want ?
2018-08-02T21:45:29 < jpa-> so IMO it is harder to choose proper delay
2018-08-02T21:45:33 < mawk> because that'll smooth out abrupt changes
2018-08-02T21:45:46 < mawk> ah you mean with an analog filter
2018-08-02T21:45:48 < mawk> yes
2018-08-02T21:45:54 < jpa-> even with digital one
2018-08-02T21:46:02 < jpa-> the time constant doesn't directly relate to any time value
2018-08-02T21:46:09 < mawk> why not ?
2018-08-02T21:46:25 < mawk> I did some calculations to get the time to rise to 95%, then use the > 0.95 condition to trigger
2018-08-02T21:46:27 < mawk> it seems to check out
2018-08-02T21:46:38 < jpa-> sure, if the pulse is rectangular
2018-08-02T21:46:41 < mawk> yes
2018-08-02T21:46:45 < mawk> it isn't ?
2018-08-02T21:46:58 < jpa-> is you double-click or similar, you can get all sorts of funny patterns
2018-08-02T21:47:07 < mawk> ah
2018-08-02T21:47:08 < mawk> I see
2018-08-02T21:49:33 < karlp> antto: likely going to just complain to the vendor again :)
2018-08-02T21:49:52 < karlp> they sent us code, least they can do is send us code that works :)
2018-08-02T21:50:10 < jpa-> https://paulmurray.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/schmitt1.png    for example here looks like the same switch causes quite different kind of patterns after the RC filter
2018-08-02T21:50:10 < karlp> oh, fenugrec left.
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2018-08-02T21:51:28 < karlp> I'd actually used that lammertbies page to try out what it might accept for "0000" as the input, 
2018-08-02T21:52:12 < karlp> I think what's happened is the vendor _attempted_ to implement one of the standard crc16s (either usb, or modbus, given their poly and init value) and simply failed to implement it properly.
2018-08-02T21:52:26 < mawk> I see
2018-08-02T21:54:04 < jpa-> though with 5% and 95% hysteresis, you should indeed be filtering pretty much all the bounces off
2018-08-02T22:01:26 < mawk> according to the diagram the bounce is always when the switch is let go ?
2018-08-02T22:01:29 < mawk> that's suspicious
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2018-08-02T22:04:09 < jpa-> could be a circuit with weak pulldown and some parasitic capacitance
2018-08-02T22:04:24 < jpa-> but yeah, looks a bit weird indeed
2018-08-02T22:04:36 < jpa-> every switch is different also, some bounce very little
2018-08-02T22:09:00 < mawk> so the worst effect of the non-squariness of the input signal is that the press/release are delayed
2018-08-02T22:09:07 < mawk> but still the bounces are suppressed
2018-08-02T22:09:25 < mawk> so indeed the time constant doesn't make sense anymore
2018-08-02T22:10:34 < jpa-> getting bounces suppressed is easy enough, but if one also wants to avoid discarding short clicks and repeated clicks, there is quite narrow area where the threshold must be
2018-08-02T22:11:11 < mawk> for me 10ms gets me a bounce every 100 click, and 30 ms gets me no click registration every 20 click
2018-08-02T22:11:16 < mawk> dunno what is preferable between the two
2018-08-02T22:11:39 < jpa-> do you click more than 30 times per second? otherwise why does 30ms skip some clicks?
2018-08-02T22:12:07 < jpa-> i can't click a button more than 10 times per second so i use 100ms limit :P
2018-08-02T22:12:24 < mawk> I release the button too fast
2018-08-02T22:12:33 < zyp> wow, you're such a slow clicker
2018-08-02T22:12:34 < mawk> so because of the 5/95 hysteresis it doesn't get registered
2018-08-02T22:13:12 < jpa-> ah
2018-08-02T22:13:19 < mawk> I'm not using an interrupt, I'm sampling the filter output every 10 ms or something
2018-08-02T22:13:21 < mawk> in the main loop
2018-08-02T22:13:55 < jpa-> you could do one-directional RC filter, like the schematics usually are     http://protological.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/debounce.png
2018-08-02T22:14:10 < jpa-> the switch being clicked immediately discharges C, and RC filter is only active on recharging
2018-08-02T22:14:57 < mawk> immediately charges rather no ?
2018-08-02T22:15:05 < mawk> well depending on how you wire your switch I guess
2018-08-02T22:15:10 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-02T22:15:15 < mawk> good idea
2018-08-02T22:16:13 < jpa-> zyp: https://jenniferdewalt.com/click_challenge.html   try as i might i only got 7 clicks per second :/
2018-08-02T22:16:37 < zyp> haha
2018-08-02T22:17:31 < zyp> also got 7, heh
2018-08-02T22:17:33 < mawk> I did 6.2
2018-08-02T22:17:34 < mawk> :(
2018-08-02T22:17:43 < mawk> let's say it's because of my shitty mouse
2018-08-02T22:18:06 < jpa-> too much debouncing
2018-08-02T22:18:14 < mawk> lol
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2018-08-02T22:22:18 < mawk> ah it's not the button not registering my presses because of the 30ms constant actually
2018-08-02T22:22:23 < mawk> it's because the button is shit
2018-08-02T22:22:29 < mawk> I broke it by hitting it too fast
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2018-08-02T22:22:59 < mawk> my algorithm is safe and sound
2018-08-02T22:23:25 < karlp> I got 7 too.
2018-08-02T22:23:28 < karlp> that's way too much clicking.
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2018-08-02T23:04:49 < capacitor> Good morning
2018-08-02T23:21:40 < Steffanx> lo
2018-08-02T23:22:45 < englishman> hello capacitor 
2018-08-02T23:23:28 < capacitor> Hi sir
2018-08-02T23:23:51 < englishman> did you get your hat
2018-08-02T23:23:53 < englishman> http://www.barmahhats.com.au/index.php?route=product/product&path=79&product_id=84
2018-08-02T23:25:25 < capacitor> Yeah https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/i6hMGqBc/mate.JPG
2018-08-02T23:26:13 < invzim> hm, so I may have a fix for my lm2776 using a diode to prevent positive voltage
2018-08-02T23:26:24 < invzim> slash current
2018-08-02T23:27:21  * invzim needs to read up on diode characteristics
2018-08-02T23:28:02 < antto> the roll on yer desk and fall off the edge
2018-08-02T23:28:06 < antto> * they
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2018-08-02T23:46:43 < capacitor> how about this antto https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/products/0155490/
2018-08-02T23:48:14 < antto> wut in teh name of..
2018-08-02T23:48:36 < antto> frankendiode?
2018-08-02T23:49:36 < englishman> placing orders at digikey, mouser, future, avnet, and arrow
2018-08-02T23:49:45 < englishman> why cant there be one supplier that has the best prices on everything
2018-08-02T23:50:18 < antto> because it's in the middle of china
2018-08-02T23:50:21 < Streaker> Aliexpress!
2018-08-02T23:50:35 < antto> and u want "closer"
2018-08-02T23:50:47 < antto> in your case that should be farnel.uk
2018-08-02T23:50:53 < antto> in my case it's elimex.bg ;P~
2018-08-02T23:50:55 < englishman> i only have to order from white people because chinese dont have any of these parts
2018-08-02T23:51:11 < englishman> most of the bom lines are coming from china
2018-08-02T23:51:26 < englishman> so i guess that is 6 suppliers.
2018-08-02T23:53:15 < antto> you know how there are resistor kits (a range of useful values), capacitor kits, etc..
2018-08-02T23:53:29 < antto> why isn't there an "innovation kit"
2018-08-02T23:53:42 < englishman> i will take one of everything, digikey
2018-08-02T23:53:47 < capacitor> ^
2018-08-02T23:53:47 < antto> all possible useful components in one neat kit
2018-08-02T23:54:15 < antto> including an esp8266 of course
2018-08-02T23:54:33 < antto> and some fartduinos
2018-08-02T23:54:34 < capacitor> now you're stretching
2018-08-02T23:54:45 < englishman> and zero mcus from propeller, TI, or NXP
2018-08-02T23:54:49 < antto> and spare bodge wires
2018-08-02T23:55:07 < englishman> what am i going to do with these CC2650
2018-08-02T23:55:13 < englishman> howcome i keep buying TI devboards
2018-08-02T23:55:17 < antto> sticks of hot-snot and a hot-snot gun
2018-08-02T23:55:18 < englishman> i will never use them
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2018-08-03T00:06:00 < capacitor> i like the precision machine dispensed silastic holding in muh electrolytics
2018-08-03T00:12:35 < capacitor> can i share a link?
2018-08-03T00:13:27 < Steffanx> If blaxter grade, no.
2018-08-03T00:13:44 < capacitor> i'd say it is ;)
2018-08-03T00:19:54 < Cracki> blaxter grade? requesting notice/privmsg
2018-08-03T00:20:13 < Cracki> oh btw, is there an "official" offtopic side channel to this one?
2018-08-03T00:20:39 < Steffanx> ##stm32-offtopic
2018-08-03T00:20:54 < Cracki> wow that's crowded
2018-08-03T00:21:53 < Steffanx> Is there actually someone?!
2018-08-03T00:22:05 < Steffanx> Except for you
2018-08-03T00:22:28 < Cracki> who says I'm in there right now?
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2018-08-03T00:24:42 < capacitor> i saw over 700 people last time 
2018-08-03T00:27:00 < invzim> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ot_-m6BVFA6ibt6sSp-Q0gGxPD0MPyzr/view
2018-08-03T00:27:13 < invzim> how much can this D1 destroy on the -5V rail?
2018-08-03T00:27:52 < invzim> tried a few different diodes, thankfully I got a couple of rectifier kits off ebay eages ago laying around
2018-08-03T00:29:08 < invzim> the fattest one performed best, which I don't quite understand why
2018-08-03T00:29:26 < Ultrasauce> fatness is an essential characteristic
2018-08-03T00:29:43 < invzim> 1N5401: Standard Recovery Rectifier, 100 V, 3.0 A
2018-08-03T00:30:08 < invzim> to mitigate ~90ohm 5v pullup on -5v rail
2018-08-03T00:31:10 < capacitor> did this thing ever work?
2018-08-03T00:31:42 < invzim> my stuff? yes
2018-08-03T00:31:53 < Ultrasauce> the datasheet does not indicate that a diode is required...is half of the charge pump fried or something?
2018-08-03T00:32:10 < invzim> ah, it's positive stuff on the output that is the issue
2018-08-03T00:32:16 < invzim> it is actually a startup issue kindof
2018-08-03T00:32:48 < capacitor> well if you can make it start up in the 'correct' order is everything happy then?
2018-08-03T00:32:57 < invzim> http://e2e.ti.com/support/power_management/non-isolated_dcdc/f/196/t/635253
2018-08-03T00:33:07 < invzim> this has the best problem description
2018-08-03T00:33:17 < invzim> capacitor: the thing messing with the rail is an external component
2018-08-03T00:33:44 < invzim> but yes, I think so
2018-08-03T00:44:26 < capacitor> OK so chris from ti says 'Yes, it is recommended to prohibit a positive voltage from appearing at the output of a negative voltage converter.'
2018-08-03T00:46:46 < capacitor> i've only ever used switched cap converters for RS232 crap btw
2018-08-03T00:51:04 < invzim> If my life depended on it, I would trust stuff made with analog devices parts more than TI
2018-08-03T00:51:31 < invzim> a lot of the TI stuff strikes me as a little half-assed/beta quality
2018-08-03T00:52:16 < invzim> the citroen of IC's
2018-08-03T00:54:10 < capacitor> 'texas' is in the name... need i say more
2018-08-03T00:54:10 < capacitor> :D
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2018-08-03T01:02:21 < Cracki> I think you do. "texas" has no particular connotations
2018-08-03T01:04:29 < capacitor> yeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
2018-08-03T01:05:48 < capacitor> can't say i've had any problems with their national semiconductors :3
2018-08-03T01:13:12 < Cracki> ah, "cowboy IC design"
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2018-08-03T01:32:43 < upgrdman> fuck yes! finally convinced my employer to pay for "premium select" class of flight ticket (better than economy but not as good as first class)
2018-08-03T01:34:16 < Cracki> what do you get for that?
2018-08-03T01:34:31 < Cracki> economy with extra mint on the seat?
2018-08-03T01:34:52 < capacitor> Asian whip cracker
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2018-08-03T01:35:02 < upgrdman> more leg room is the biggest thing. but also ac outlets and slightly better food
2018-08-03T01:35:18 < upgrdman> and seats are "more luxurious" but im not sure i believe it
2018-08-03T01:38:17 < Cracki> anything to get away from the disease-ridden plebes
2018-08-03T01:40:15 < upgrdman> its more the leg room i care about
2018-08-03T01:40:30 < upgrdman> im 6'3", and sitting in economy for 14 hours is torture
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2018-08-03T02:43:23 < Cracki> TIL: ADC inputs work best if your voltage source isn't too high-impedance :S I figured the RC lowpass could be strengthened by increasing the resistor value... but now the ADC pin just sucks the cap empty (as it did before), but it doesn't recover well
2018-08-03T02:43:42 < Cracki> so... swap in the 4.7k and instead use a bigger cap
2018-08-03T02:46:02 < cpctr> Don’t some good pumpers use a buffer stage to drive the ADC
2018-08-03T02:47:25 < Cracki> hmmm I should have 10 uF caps left... that's a bit much but better than 1 nF
2018-08-03T02:47:48 < Cracki> "good pumpers"?
2018-08-03T02:48:25 < Cracki> what I have here is a 0.05 ohm shunt to measure motor current, through an RC lowpass, into the controller
2018-08-03T02:49:02 < Cracki> the voltages are so tiny, at 10 bits I get less than 10 LSB
2018-08-03T02:49:22 < Cracki> this would benefit form an amplifier stage, indeed
2018-08-03T02:50:03 < Cracki> or a different reference voltage, but with the same adc I have to digitize "normal" voltage ranges too
2018-08-03T02:51:38 < cpctr> My usual adc is watching paint dry at 8 bits
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2018-08-03T02:54:26 < Laurenceb__> sup
2018-08-03T02:54:54 < Laurenceb__> Q predicted this
2018-08-03T02:55:11 < Cracki> ave
2018-08-03T02:55:32 < Cracki> there's ##stm32-offtopic, in case you get silenced again
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2018-08-03T03:01:51 < Laurenceb__> QAnon is all over the uk news
2018-08-03T03:01:58 < Laurenceb__> and my sides are in orbit
2018-08-03T03:02:10 < Cracki> what's he said now
2018-08-03T03:03:49 < Laurenceb__> some bullshit, who knows
2018-08-03T03:03:49 < Laurenceb__> have you experienced UKDrill music?
2018-08-03T03:04:20 < Cracki> >U.K. Drill Rapper Incognito Stabbed to Death in London
2018-08-03T03:04:41 < Cracki> never heard of it
2018-08-03T03:05:02 < Laurenceb__> ikr
2018-08-03T03:05:23 < Laurenceb__> decided to look it up on youtube, resulting in epic lulz
2018-08-03T03:06:15 < Laurenceb__> > if autists with mental age of 11 made music videos
2018-08-03T03:07:20 < Cracki> deport
2018-08-03T03:09:14 < Laurenceb__> its like a parody but they seem to be serious
2018-08-03T03:23:11 < aandrew> < Cracki> TIL: ADC inputs work best if your voltage source isn't too high-impedance
2018-08-03T03:23:28 < aandrew> always, always, always, ALWAYS put a buffer op amp in front of your ADC
2018-08-03T03:23:28 < aandrew> always
2018-08-03T03:23:39 < aandrew> they're cheap as shit and help you so much
2018-08-03T03:23:50 < Cracki> I'll tell my boss ;)
2018-08-03T03:24:05 < aandrew> I'm working on a fancy ass board right now
2018-08-03T03:24:34 < aandrew> 5x 18-bit 15Msps ADCs feeding an FPGA which drives the whole show and dumps the data into ethernet frames
2018-08-03T03:24:47 < Cracki> how high impedance can the input to an opamp buffer be?
2018-08-03T03:24:48 < aandrew> there's an stm32 on board just to do the shit work like DHCP and 1588 management
2018-08-03T03:25:02 < aandrew> Cracki: opamps draw almost zero current as per their design
2018-08-03T03:25:20 < aandrew> but if you want to spend the money you can get jfet input opamps that literally draw fA
2018-08-03T03:25:26 < Cracki> orders of magnitude less than an ADC, I take it?
2018-08-03T03:25:42 < aandrew> oh hell yes
2018-08-03T03:26:04 < Cracki> good. while he's at it, he can configure the buffer for amplification (10x or 100x would be good)
2018-08-03T03:26:07 < aandrew> unless you're doing soething intentional to bring it down, typical opamp inputs are many MOhms 
2018-08-03T03:26:22 < aandrew> yep you can do that too, but typically I try to attenuate instead of amplify
2018-08-03T03:26:34 < aandrew> amplification adds noise, even a little attenuation can really help kill it
2018-08-03T03:26:40 < aandrew> but that is not always possible
2018-08-03T03:26:48 < Cracki> when I get a range of 0 to 50 mV, I need to amplify that a little :P
2018-08-03T03:27:15 < Cracki> at least that's what I anticipate
2018-08-03T03:28:40 < Cracki> I think he wanted to use the hall sensor anyway, it's just not populated on this board (shoddy shunt instead)
2018-08-03T03:28:58 < Cracki> that thing has 180 mV/A tops, so not _much_ better
2018-08-03T03:29:41 < aandrew> Cracki: depending on how good yoru ADC is you can make the vref lower too
2018-08-03T03:29:43 < aandrew> but 50mV is tiny
2018-08-03T03:29:44 < aandrew> so yeah
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2018-08-03T03:30:11 < Cracki> my vref needs to stay at (buffered) vcc for the other channels (potentiometers and shit)
2018-08-03T03:30:48 < Cracki> if I changed the vref between AD conversions, it would change the voltage on my aref pin which has a cap to ground
2018-08-03T03:31:04 < Cracki> and that takes a little bit, more than just running conversion after conversion and switching channels
2018-08-03T03:31:28 < Cracki> the lowest vref I could get is 1.1V
2018-08-03T03:31:55 < Cracki> he'll have to populate the ACS712 if he wants to control current
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2018-08-03T03:34:45 < aandrew> yep
2018-08-03T03:34:47 < aandrew> too much work
2018-08-03T03:36:45 < Cracki> according to the schematic, that thing won't be much use either
2018-08-03T03:37:08 < aandrew> what're you building?
2018-08-03T03:37:16 < Cracki> it has an internal 1.7k resistor, he specd 10 nF, that gives me tau = 17 us 
2018-08-03T03:37:26 < Cracki> a brushed dc control board for simple applications
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2018-08-03T03:38:16 < Cracki> all it has to do is drive some high gear ratio motor to wind a whopping reel of paper (guessing 5 kilos)
2018-08-03T03:38:42 < Cracki> and that according to how much paper is fed towards of away from it, measured by a tensioning arm and potentiometer
2018-08-03T03:39:57 < Cracki> it does 24V PWM. thanks to the customer's weak power supply, the board has to pay attention to limit current
2018-08-03T03:40:15 < aandrew> we used to do that but for BIG rolls of paper
2018-08-03T03:40:19 < aandrew> like printing presses
2018-08-03T03:40:22 < Cracki> =)
2018-08-03T03:40:23 < aandrew> used traction control drives
2018-08-03T03:40:29  * Cracki googles
2018-08-03T03:40:56 < Cracki> not related to car wheels slipping, right?
2018-08-03T03:40:59 < aandrew> no no
2018-08-03T03:41:19 < aandrew> basically you have a dozen drives in the line, and they all talk to make sure the paper doesn't get pulled or crumpled
2018-08-03T03:41:58 < Cracki> uh, so "capacitors" for the paper?
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2018-08-03T03:43:04 < Cracki> ideally all drives spin synchronously (same speed, position)
2018-08-03T03:44:20 < Cracki> the most fussy part of that customer's setup is the rollers aren't always perfectly perpendicular to the backplane (1cm solid alu sheet and some alu profiles), so the paper fucks off the center
2018-08-03T03:44:37 < Cracki> he needs screws to fiddle with this
2018-08-03T03:44:43 < Cracki> but they don't understand that
2018-08-03T03:46:14 < Cracki> we have to keep the paper flat and slightly tensioned under the print head too (it's an ink jet printer running at 0.3m/s), but it starts and stops and backs up all the time (normal operation), and the paper rolls have to spin to follow
2018-08-03T03:46:31 < Cracki> (modulo the buffer created by the two "tensioning" arms)
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2018-08-03T03:54:38 < aandrew> Cracki: no, just a unified system to make sure you don't wreck the paper
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2018-08-03T10:18:31 < cpctr> the fucking pricks
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2018-08-03T11:23:22 < cpctr> of course mate
2018-08-03T11:23:30 < cpctr> wtf would they have there
2018-08-03T11:23:38 < cpctr> lol
2018-08-03T11:23:48 < cpctr> 99% of meat pies are horrid in australia
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2018-08-03T11:24:43 < cpctr> yeah the irc world
2018-08-03T11:25:05 < Steffanx> Did they drink tea?
2018-08-03T11:25:13 < cpctr> i hope
2018-08-03T11:25:23 < cpctr> the daniels of jack
2018-08-03T11:25:38 < cpctr> been a while since i did the alcohols
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2018-08-03T11:27:25 < cpctr> what is the time where you are
2018-08-03T11:27:42 < cpctr> it is 6.27pm in australialand
2018-08-03T11:28:20 < cpctr> will you conclude your alcohol intake with the chinaman's nightcap?
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2018-08-03T11:36:53 < cpctr> but what will we do without you here?
2018-08-03T11:37:32 < cpctr> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chinaman%27s%20Nightcap
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2018-08-03T14:09:18 < cpctr> Haohmaru: mate
2018-08-03T14:09:55 < Haohmaru> :x
2018-08-03T14:17:22 < cpctr> welcoem
2018-08-03T14:19:00 < Haohmaru> mh hm hmmh m mh hmm
2018-08-03T14:26:57 < Cracki> kinky
2018-08-03T14:27:14 < cpctr> gooday fokes
2018-08-03T14:28:31 < Steffanx> Welcome stvn. How is your stm32?
2018-08-03T14:28:40 < cpctr> it is very good
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2018-08-03T15:02:58 < kakimir> !wz
2018-08-03T15:03:01 < kakimir> !wx kaki
2018-08-03T15:03:05 < kakimir> !wz kaki
2018-08-03T15:03:07 < englishbot> [Kaki Barama, Niger] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 28°C but feels like 32°C. SSE wind: 7 kph. Humidity: 79%.
2018-08-03T15:03:42 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-08-03T15:03:43 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 30.1°C.
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2018-08-03T15:19:45 < cpctr> hi sir
2018-08-03T15:20:11 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK-okdwv09g
2018-08-03T15:20:29 < cpctr> hi blxtr
2018-08-03T15:25:47 < Cracki> that dude looks like he graduated primary school
2018-08-03T15:25:57 < Cracki> and then called it quits
2018-08-03T15:28:25 < karlp> no shitposting on join blaxnut
2018-08-03T15:30:49 < jpa-> or, ever, if the shit is lb-tier
2018-08-03T15:33:41 < cpctr> hmmmm~
2018-08-03T15:34:04 < kakimir> !wz efku
2018-08-03T15:34:05 < englishbot> [EFKU, Finland] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 25°C. SSE wind: 11 kph. Humidity: 65%.
2018-08-03T15:34:14 < Laurenceb__> still too hot
2018-08-03T15:34:36 < cpctr> says a brit
2018-08-03T15:34:38 < Cracki> what news on the babby shakker?
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2018-08-03T15:39:50 < cpctr> 20 dead
2018-08-03T15:39:55 < cpctr> oven is full
2018-08-03T15:40:09 < cpctr> oh wait you were talking to blaxter..... oops
2018-08-03T15:41:29 < tomeaton17> hello
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2018-08-03T15:47:46 < bitmask> who was talkin about the multiturn pots, those are the bourns right? are they similar in effect to those tiny multiturn trimpot type ones
2018-08-03T15:47:53 < bitmask> the box ones
2018-08-03T15:49:43 < cpctr> there exists more than 1 multiturn pot manufacturer
2018-08-03T15:50:06 < cpctr> and trimmer for that matter
2018-08-03T15:51:25 < bitmask> oh I thought bourns was a type not a mfg
2018-08-03T15:51:41 < bitmask> let me get two links
2018-08-03T15:52:29 < bitmask> https://www.ebay.com/itm/3590S-2-102L-1K-Ohm-BOURNS-Rotary-Wirewound-Precision-Potentiometer-Pot-10-Turn/201444083368?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
2018-08-03T15:52:29 < bitmask> https://www.ebay.com/itm/20pcs-3296W-102-3296-W-1K-Ohm-Trim-Pot-Trimmer-Potentiometer/191547051634?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
2018-08-03T15:59:30 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/ZzMI0K3.jpg
2018-08-03T16:02:50 < karlp> BrainDamage: wut? mobile hamming?
2018-08-03T16:03:32 < karlp> bitmask: so... what's the question?
2018-08-03T16:03:41 < bitmask> whats the difference between those two
2018-08-03T16:04:29 < BrainDamage> karlp: "mobile", yes
2018-08-03T16:04:45 < karlp> bitmask: do youneed your glasses checked?
2018-08-03T16:04:52 < BrainDamage> I would love to see those, but it seems most of the insane hams are only in the US
2018-08-03T16:05:18 < jpa-> bitmask: trimmers don't usually last very long if you are continuously adjusting them; wirewound pots handle more power; quality pots cause less noise than cheap ones
2018-08-03T16:05:29 < bitmask> ok thanks
2018-08-03T16:05:47 < BrainDamage> multiturn pots are generally wirewound, those can have considerable inductance
2018-08-03T16:07:34 < karlp> anyone have any experience with something like this http://www.eenewsembedded.com/news/mouser-now-stocking-pan9026-dual-mode-wi-fi-and-bluetooth-5-module?news_id=108591 ?
2018-08-03T16:07:48 < karlp> the "The module has Dynamic Rapid Channel Switching (DRCS) for simultaneous operation in 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz" is interesting.
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2018-08-03T18:07:30 < tctw> hi
2018-08-03T18:07:53 < Steffanx> jo
2018-08-03T18:08:56 < tctw> why is the sun so hot?
2018-08-03T18:16:12 < Thorn> air friction. it moves fast around the earth
2018-08-03T18:16:50 < PaulFertser> You'll have to wait for Parker to go there and report back https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Probe_Plus .
2018-08-03T18:20:22 < karlp> jadew: speaking of amander palmer, she's playign tonight in rvk.
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2018-08-03T18:41:40 < englishman> tctw, how are the capacitors
2018-08-03T18:41:50 < tctw> englishman, good
2018-08-03T18:41:59 < englishman> that's rare.
2018-08-03T18:42:04 < tctw> indeed
2018-08-03T18:42:22 < tctw> the assembly house had 500k on stock
2018-08-03T18:42:34 < englishman> that's not good
2018-08-03T18:42:50 < englishman> running very low
2018-08-03T18:43:14 < tctw> works for the tectu
2018-08-03T18:43:15 < Steffanx> Tct should just redo it in 0201 or 0402.
2018-08-03T18:44:31 < Steffanx> Assembly house is just screwing mr tctw. They dont have stock, they want the order and the money.
2018-08-03T18:44:59 < tctw> no, I was there and saw it myself.
2018-08-03T18:45:18 < tctw> also, tct corp does engineering work for them - they have no motivation to screw tectu corp
2018-08-03T18:55:38 < karlp> heh, crc issue resovled.
2018-08-03T18:56:53 < karlp> they take the four byte hex representation of a 16 bit sample, split that into 2 char (1 byte) blocks.  reprint each nibble as hex, swapping the nibbles, re-interpret that printed form as the 16bit input value, and then move to the next byte.
2018-08-03T18:57:20 < karlp> so for 2 16bit samples, they call crc update 4 times.
2018-08-03T18:57:28 < karlp> someone in poland needs a stern talking to.
2018-08-03T19:00:32 < englishman> got off the phone with ublox
2018-08-03T19:00:37 < englishman> amazing new sheit
2018-08-03T19:01:28 < Steffanx> Uh?
2018-08-03T19:02:01 < englishman> apparently i will be one of their biggest clients in this region. if i choose to go with them instead of piksi. tough choice lol
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2018-08-03T19:05:41 < Steffanx> Does that say something about you or ublox in your region?
2018-08-03T19:06:01 < englishman> a bit of both i think. it was a surprise
2018-08-03T19:07:00 < karlp> code pretty much as we got it from them: https://dotnetfiddle.net/0YNRwz
2018-08-03T19:09:01 < Steffanx> Interesting codd
2018-08-03T19:09:47 < Steffanx> Code.
2018-08-03T19:10:05 < karlp> no. it's vile.
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2018-08-03T19:10:38 < karlp> "let's index our array by i << 1 and i <<1 | 1"
2018-08-03T19:10:42 < karlp> let's fucking not shall we.
2018-08-03T19:10:52 < englishman> cyclic redundancy crap
2018-08-03T19:11:07 < karlp> I think they _attempted to implement a standard crc, and then just completely cocked up the data feeding.
2018-08-03T19:11:29 < karlp> instead of just taking the 4 bytes of hex as a single 16bit value and feeding the crc with that.
2018-08-03T19:11:38 < karlp> this nible swapped reprintg bullshit is absurd.
2018-08-03T19:16:09 < Steffanx> Nice way to loop over the data array as well
2018-08-03T19:16:25 < branjb> i have a subwoofer that started emitting "white noise" from the power supply.. doesn't really sound like 60 hz, sounds almost like a radio tuned to something without a station
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2018-08-03T19:16:32 < branjb> worth fucking with or just replace it?
2018-08-03T19:16:54 < jadew> DHL is fucking garbage
2018-08-03T19:17:34 < jadew> I don't understand why they always find something (that wasn't an issue before), in order to delay my damn shipment
2018-08-03T19:18:11 < Cracki> not white noise? maybe shaped noise?
2018-08-03T19:18:30 < Cracki> pink/brown are the "colors" for off-white
2018-08-03T19:18:52 < jadew> branjb, long audio cables?
2018-08-03T19:18:53 < branjb> it doesn't sound like 60hz
2018-08-03T19:19:02 < jadew> I've heard stories of people receiving radio stations with their guitar amps
2018-08-03T19:19:05 < branjb> no, this is completely unplugged into anything except the outlet
2018-08-03T19:19:17 < branjb> (also when plugged into receiver)
2018-08-03T19:19:37 < branjb> i took it apart and it's definitely the 110v -> 28v switching power supply that is making noise'
2018-08-03T19:20:39 < branjb> think i might just trash it i hate touching anything connected to mains
2018-08-03T19:21:25 < Cracki> you can sell it as a guitar amp that receives jimi hendrix' ghost!
2018-08-03T19:22:47 < karlp> Steffanx: did you see the nibble based printing of the crc value at the end too? it's spectacular
2018-08-03T19:23:06 < englishman> tctw: i bought a K31
2018-08-03T19:23:25 < tctw> much swiss
2018-08-03T19:25:03 < Steffanx>  Yeah, stringbuilder wasnt even used karlp 
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2018-08-03T19:25:47 < Steffanx> Such old gun, englishman...
2018-08-03T19:29:57 < jadew> branjb, check the caps at the very least
2018-08-03T19:30:04 < jadew> take them out and check their ESR
2018-08-03T19:30:33 < branjb> the big ones to filter the 60hz noise, or all of them?
2018-08-03T19:31:11 < jadew> all of them, shouldn't be that many
2018-08-03T19:31:43 < jadew> the ones on the output are the ones that normally die
2018-08-03T19:37:26 < branjb> they are covered in the white epoxy rubber stuff, gonna need to dig them out
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2018-08-03T21:10:39 < englishman> https://www.u-blox.com/en/product/zed-f9p-module
2018-08-03T21:12:38 < englishman> supporting L2 of every band
2018-08-03T21:12:41 < englishman> my god
2018-08-03T21:12:43 < englishman> it's glorious
2018-08-03T21:13:06 < Steffanx> centimeter level accuracy is that real?
2018-08-03T21:13:28 < Cracki> L2?
2018-08-03T21:14:03 < Cracki> probably real, if they are allowed to decode high accuracy bands
2018-08-03T21:14:12 < Cracki> GPS is ancient and crippled for civilian use
2018-08-03T21:14:22 < englishman> says the romanian
2018-08-03T21:14:26 < Cracki> the other three networks are *supposed* to give civilians high precision
2018-08-03T21:14:33 < Cracki> romanian?
2018-08-03T21:15:01 < Steffanx> German.
2018-08-03T21:15:14 < Cracki> explain yourself
2018-08-03T21:15:36 < Cracki> *selves
2018-08-03T21:16:31 < Cracki> >Dead Reckoning
2018-08-03T21:16:35 < Cracki> heh
2018-08-03T21:16:57 < Cracki> is that a normie term for kalman filter?
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2018-08-03T21:18:20 < jpa-> no, kalman filter is just one way to implement dead reckoning
2018-08-03T21:20:00 < Steffanx> lol nooo. so i started the ublox webinar and she says "Hellooooo Welcome". That ruined it. :D
2018-08-03T21:20:06 < englishman> cm-level accuracy is entirely correct with rtk or ntrip, yes
2018-08-03T21:20:15 < englishman> lol
2018-08-03T21:21:06 < Steffanx> https://app.gotowebinar.com/sl/index.html#/6659050728441271555/3070710969024686349 does that work for everyone or just me?
2018-08-03T21:25:36 < Cracki> hellooo! and welcome!
2018-08-03T21:26:05 < Cracki> lel the middle mugshot is either photoshopped or spraypainted
2018-08-03T21:26:32 < Cracki> in germany, we have a term, "Assitoaster", translates to "chav toaster"
2018-08-03T21:27:49 < Steffanx> ty
2018-08-03T21:34:14 < Cracki> use to seek and change volume $("video").controls = true
2018-08-03T21:34:31 < Cracki> ok, volume doesn't work, but seeking and download
2018-08-03T21:35:32 < Steffanx> or just download the mp4 https://tinyurl.com/y9bnmy98 :P
2018-08-03T21:36:43 < upgrdman> anyone have luggage advise? tempted to buy a new medium-sized one, not sure if i should go for some name brand or some cheap shit
2018-08-03T21:37:24 < upgrdman> also not sure if i want to go with the plastic-shell kind, or the fabric-shell kind
2018-08-03T21:37:58 < englishman> https://b8ta.com/b/escape
2018-08-03T21:38:23 < englishman> for the discerning california software developer
2018-08-03T21:38:28 < upgrdman> lol 800
2018-08-03T21:40:43 < Cracki> for clothed, I've always just used duffel bags
2018-08-03T21:40:46 < Cracki> *clothes
2018-08-03T21:41:01 < Cracki> tho they can't be pulled behind you
2018-08-03T21:41:21 < Cracki> there are some that have wheels and a pull-out handle
2018-08-03T21:41:26 < upgrdman> ya i want the 4-wheel kind. i currently have the 2-wheel kind and it sucks ass when walking through busy airports
2018-08-03T21:41:41 < Cracki> get a flight case. looks important, has bigger wheels
2018-08-03T21:42:28 < upgrdman> googled.
2018-08-03T21:42:33 < upgrdman> looks ugly as fuck and heavy
2018-08-03T21:43:13 < Cracki> ;)
2018-08-03T21:44:34 < englishman> germans aren't poor but they like to roleplay
2018-08-03T21:45:05 < Steffanx> ugly, like that's important for just a case? 
2018-08-03T21:46:35 < upgrdman> Steffanx, pro ee trolls have to travel in fashion
2018-08-03T21:46:42 < Steffanx> ah, ofcourse.
2018-08-03T21:46:55 < upgrdman> gotta make sure all the chinagirls and chinaboys know that im a class or two above them
2018-08-03T21:46:59 < Cracki> roll around a full height rack
2018-08-03T21:47:35 < Cracki> wear engelbert strauss, that's what all the leet haxxors in germany wear
2018-08-03T21:47:56 < upgrdman> hmm. target has some nice luggage under the "american tourister" brand. wtf did that have to pick such an arrogant brand name tho
2018-08-03T21:48:05 < Steffanx> upgrdman, like those chinese wont go: "Oooh, look i made that case yesterday"
2018-08-03T21:48:14 < upgrdman> inorite
2018-08-03T21:48:24 < PaulFertser> I used https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/2013._%D0%9C%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8_126.jpg , works ok for airports.
2018-08-03T21:48:46 < upgrdman> ya i have a backpack that i carry on
2018-08-03T21:48:57 < upgrdman> but need a medium-sized suitcase for checked shit
2018-08-03T21:49:07 < upgrdman> i currently have a small and a large suitcase
2018-08-03T21:49:14 < upgrdman> and my large one is getting fucked up
2018-08-03T21:49:15 < PaulFertser> I used it for checked shit, it's about 30L :)
2018-08-03T21:49:28 < upgrdman> k
2018-08-03T21:49:55 < Steffanx> is that chewing gum PaulFertser? :D
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2018-08-03T21:51:36 < invzim> diode smd packages, why have a handful when you can have a zillion
2018-08-03T21:51:41 < PaulFertser> Streaker: lol, probably, can't know for sure, not my photo.
2018-08-03T21:51:50 < Steffanx> Any idea when that F9 is available for the normal people like me englishman?
2018-08-03T21:51:54 < Steffanx> And a price?
2018-08-03T21:52:03 < Steffanx> *Steffanx, PaulFertser.
2018-08-03T21:52:04 < englishman> nda
2018-08-03T21:52:14 < Steffanx> AWh.
2018-08-03T21:52:37 < Cracki> ampere watthours hmmm
2018-08-03T21:53:27 < Cracki> that ublox thing, impressive...
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2018-08-03T21:54:19 < Steffanx> Ill contact them and use your name englishman :P
2018-08-03T21:54:34 < englishman> sounds highly illegal
2018-08-03T21:54:58 < englishman> i'd hate for such a young millenial to spend the rest of his life in prison
2018-08-03T22:02:37 < Steffanx> i wont be able to pronounce it anyway
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2018-08-03T22:28:33 < Steffanx> Why does ST bully me and did not add the VREF+ to the smaller packages of the F0/L0 
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2018-08-03T22:59:26 < zyp> Steffanx, because just weird people use separate vref+ and vdda :p
2018-08-03T23:04:50 < Steffanx> but vdda has this relation with vdd. "Must have a potential equal to or higher than VDD". There is vddio2 too, but just for a few pins.
2018-08-03T23:06:08 < Steffanx> and dont call me weird, i now know im not the weirdest one :P
2018-08-03T23:07:28 < BrainDamage> because of just voltage signaling?
2018-08-03T23:11:52 < Steffanx> could be, that sentence is kinda what st says about it in the datasheet.
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2018-08-03T23:43:37 < c4017w_> When an exception occurs, the stack pointer may or may not be padded with 1 word so that it ends up doubleword aligned. I need to know what the SP was before exception, so how can I determine if the padding was applied?
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2018-08-03T23:45:24 < englishman> ffff this assy proj has 100 bom lines
2018-08-03T23:56:07 < c4017w_> Only idea I have is to compare the stacked values with current register values and see if it's 1 word off, but there must be a better way
--- Day changed Sat Aug 04 2018
2018-08-04T00:02:12 < zyp> there's probably a PSR bit or something to tell
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2018-08-04T00:08:39 < zyp> hmm, it's not in PSR
2018-08-04T00:08:47 < zyp> now I'm also curious
2018-08-04T00:09:12 < zyp> it naturally has to be stored somewhere, so exception return knows whether to discard an extra word or not after popping scratch regs
2018-08-04T00:09:26 < zyp> it's not part of the EXC_RETURN magic word either
2018-08-04T00:10:04 < PaulFertser> STKALIGN ?
2018-08-04T00:10:45 < PaulFertser> "In the case that this padding is present, the
2018-08-04T00:10:46 < PaulFertser>     processor will set bit (1 << 9) in the stacked xPSR register."
2018-08-04T00:11:52 < zyp> bit 9? cortex-m4 says bit 9 of PSR is reserved
2018-08-04T00:11:58 < zyp> cortex-m4 user guide*
2018-08-04T00:12:15 < zyp> ref. http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.dui0553a/CHDBIBGJ.html#CHDDIAFA
2018-08-04T00:12:17 < PaulFertser> The related commit is talking about Cortex-M0+
2018-08-04T00:12:32 < PaulFertser> http://openocd.zylin.com/3003
2018-08-04T00:13:12 < zyp> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.dui0662b/CHDBIBGJ.html#CHDDIAFA <- it's listed as reserved in M0+ also
2018-08-04T00:14:30 < zyp> but ok, it being stored in an undocumented bit of PSR makes sense, because I don't see anywhere else it could be saved
2018-08-04T00:16:15 < zyp> hmm, it can make sense, as it would not be part of PSR either
2018-08-04T00:16:29 < zyp> it's just saved in a spare bit in the stacked PSR value
2018-08-04T00:20:02 < zyp> yes, v7m reference manual states that
2018-08-04T00:20:24 < zyp> «When the processor pushes the PSR value to the stack it uses bit[9] of the stacked PSR value to indicate whether it realigned the stack.» «In normal operation, PSR[9] is reserved.»
2018-08-04T00:20:51 < zyp> ref B1.5.7 if anybody's interested in more details
2018-08-04T00:22:18 < zyp> «Using a reserved bit in the PSR to indicate whether the processor realigned the stack on exception entry makes the feature transparent to context switch code, but requires all software to respect the reserved status of unused bits in the PSR.»
2018-08-04T00:25:09 < Cracki> unbelievable
2018-08-04T00:26:40 < c4017w_> Yeah, pretty weird.
2018-08-04T00:28:16 < zyp> nah, storing it in the stacked PSR value is one of the two natural options
2018-08-04T00:28:34 < zyp> the other would be using a bit of the EXC_RETURN magic word
2018-08-04T00:30:01 < c4017w_> EXC_RETURN was my first thought, but I didn't even think about PSR since none of the bits mentioned it. Poorly documented...
2018-08-04T00:30:31 < zyp> hehe
2018-08-04T00:30:55 < zyp> I knew it was not in EXC_RETURN, so I was surprised to not find it in the PSR description
2018-08-04T00:31:08 < zyp> but it makes sense when you consider it's only the stacked value
2018-08-04T00:31:38 < zyp> bit weird it's not mentioned in any of the cpu manuals, just the v7m architecture manual
2018-08-04T00:34:43 < c4017w_> I'm not conviced that it's working. Bit 9 is always set even if the stack was already doubleword aligned.
2018-08-04T00:35:16 < zyp> you're looking at the stacked PSR, not the actual PSR?
2018-08-04T00:36:08 < c4017w_> stacked
2018-08-04T00:37:22 < c4017w_> and theres only 16 words being pushed before the PSR for some reason. (in FPU mode)
2018-08-04T00:38:03 < zyp> you sure you have an active FPU context?
2018-08-04T00:38:34 < c4017w_> Yep. bit 4 of exceptio LR is 0, and bit on CONTROLS was 1 before the exception
2018-08-04T00:38:57 < c4017w_> bit 2 of CONTROL*
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2018-08-04T00:54:26 < c4017w_> OK it seems to be working with a different test case. I'll investigate the first case later
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2018-08-04T03:01:27 < jadew> branjb, had any luck with the repair?
2018-08-04T03:54:13 < Cracki> european beauty is worth preserving https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjsdZAvX0AEM83N.jpg:orig
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2018-08-04T04:08:18 < jadew> Cracki, is that taken in The Shire?
2018-08-04T04:08:58 < Cracki> no, Fairy Glen, Isle of Skye, Scotland
2018-08-04T04:09:18 < jadew> so nearby
2018-08-04T04:15:14 < jadew> most places on earth are pretty cool
2018-08-04T04:15:26 < jadew> the sad part is that we spend most of our lives in cities
2018-08-04T04:17:33 < Cracki> if someone ever needs to nuke something, please nuke inner cities first.
2018-08-04T04:17:54 < Cracki> not that I'd welcome that, but those are the least bad options
2018-08-04T04:18:40 < jadew> that's fine, as long as it's not where I live
2018-08-04T04:18:59 < jadew> or any of the people I know
2018-08-04T04:21:08 < jadew> I don't think nukes will ever be used again
2018-08-04T04:21:55 < jadew> (which is great)
2018-08-04T04:30:00 < Cracki> ah, you are imagining something more powerful, more precise?
2018-08-04T04:30:07 < Cracki> such as bioweapons?
2018-08-04T04:31:27 < jadew> no, I think big explosions that affect civilians are going to be avoided, because they attract too much bad press
2018-08-04T04:32:03 < Cracki> information warfare then?
2018-08-04T04:32:10 < Cracki> >bad press
2018-08-04T04:32:20 < Cracki> lol you know, they report "news" that never happened
2018-08-04T04:32:33 < Cracki> and fail to report important events
2018-08-04T04:32:45 < jadew> yeah, but it's difficult to hide a nuclear blast
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2018-08-04T04:33:04 < Cracki> it's just a test! nothing to worry about!
2018-08-04T04:33:12 < jadew> if the intention is to kill civilians, then regular war does that just fine
2018-08-04T04:33:25 < Cracki> population control doesn't even need war
2018-08-04T04:34:17 < Cracki> so many options... chemicals, brainwashing, displacement...
2018-08-04T04:34:50 < jadew> I wonder how many us there'll be in 30 years
2018-08-04T04:35:16 < jadew> also, I don't think there's a need for population control
2018-08-04T04:35:31 < jadew> nature always has a way
2018-08-04T04:36:04 < jadew> if we'll be too many vs any parameter, that parameter will get us
2018-08-04T04:36:13 < jadew> too many for good food? food will kill us
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2018-08-04T04:36:32 < jadew> too many for water? we'll die of thirst, etc
2018-08-04T04:36:44 < jadew> not all of us of course
2018-08-04T04:36:48 < jadew> just the poor ones
2018-08-04T04:37:23 < jadew> so it's a good idea to be ritch
2018-08-04T04:37:56 < jadew> *rich
2018-08-04T04:38:17 < antto> if u wanna b rich... uv got to b a ***ch
2018-08-04T04:38:37 < jadew> antto, I'm gradually coming to that conclusion
2018-08-04T04:38:49 < antto> no, that's a song i like
2018-08-04T04:38:59 < jadew> it's true
2018-08-04T04:39:30 < antto> if u wanna riiide... go ride teh white pony
2018-08-04T04:42:39 < Cracki> and you think population control isn't used for specific purposes?
2018-08-04T04:43:20 < jadew> I'm sure it is, China was very up front about it, so I'm sure there are other that do it covertly
2018-08-04T04:43:44 < jadew> what I meant was that it's not needed
2018-08-04T04:44:37 < jadew> it's not like we have some future goal that we have to achieve
2018-08-04T04:45:08 < jadew> if we're fewer, maybe some resources will last longer - but so what?
2018-08-04T04:45:17 < jadew> is that the point? to last longer?
2018-08-04T04:46:07 < jadew> we could just have all the people we can have now and be done with it
2018-08-04T04:46:47 < jadew> it would be a problem if we'd be able to live forever
2018-08-04T04:47:20 < jadew> then I wouldn't want any other new people drinking my water
2018-08-04T04:48:46 < Cracki> https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/children-carbon-footprint-climate-change-damage-having-kids-research-a7837961.html
2018-08-04T04:49:15 < Cracki> so if you want to be a good person, you should value the environment, and forgo having kids
2018-08-04T04:49:43 < Cracki> otoh low birth rates are why we need to import people
2018-08-04T04:49:45 < jadew> I'm sure a lot of people already do that
2018-08-04T04:50:22 < jadew> then maybe people from other parts of the world should stop having kids?
2018-08-04T04:50:30 < Cracki> sounds like a sensible conclusion
2018-08-04T04:50:44 < Cracki> or maybe not a dozen or so
2018-08-04T04:51:06 < jadew> poor people will always have lots of kids
2018-08-04T04:51:21 < Cracki> why?
2018-08-04T04:51:24 < jadew> it's how we're meant to be
2018-08-04T04:51:31 < jadew> lots of them die
2018-08-04T04:51:38 < jadew> and you need them to help you around the house
2018-08-04T04:51:54 < Cracki> if more than 2 survive, you have growth
2018-08-04T04:52:12 < Cracki> and birth rates are effective population growth numbers
2018-08-04T04:52:23 < jadew> yeah, but they don't care about that, they care about their immediate needs and the odds that one of them will take care of them when they're old
2018-08-04T04:52:35 < jadew> also, if you're dirt poor, you're going to have sex unprotected
2018-08-04T04:52:47 < Cracki> does that mean that we should support them in that behavior?
2018-08-04T04:52:56 < jadew> and we come back to "it's how we're meant to be" - you'll end up pouring kids annually
2018-08-04T04:53:27 < jadew> I think that wealth would stop population growth
2018-08-04T04:53:44 < Cracki> not if it's someone else's wealth
2018-08-04T04:54:08 < Cracki> redistribution of goods only works for a homogeneous group
2018-08-04T04:54:35 < jadew> I didn't mean that, I meant functional economies
2018-08-04T04:54:44 < jadew> but that will eventually mean redistribution of wealth
2018-08-04T04:54:54 < Cracki> haha ok, that removes several current problems from scope
2018-08-04T04:54:58 < jadew> because we have internet and they'll be able to take your job
2018-08-04T04:55:03 < Cracki> no they won't
2018-08-04T04:55:20 < jadew> it's already happening
2018-08-04T04:55:23 < Cracki> my job requires a nontrivial level of cognitive function
2018-08-04T04:55:30 < Cracki> they'll take someone else's job
2018-08-04T04:55:35 < Cracki> but not over the internet
2018-08-04T04:55:45 < Cracki> third world countries aren't known for their brains
2018-08-04T04:56:00 < jadew> well, maybe not over the internet, but transportation is fast and cheap too, so they can build shit there and ship it over to your country
2018-08-04T04:56:13 < jadew> at a lower rate than building it locally
2018-08-04T04:56:33 < jadew> Cracki, eventually they'll have the brains too
2018-08-04T04:56:49 < Cracki> so they'll give the first world cheap labor, while at the same time pushing natives out of low skill, low wage jobs, which must then be cared for from wealth redistribution (welfare)?
2018-08-04T04:57:38 < jadew> that would be one of the effects, in parallel with the fact that all jobs will be paid less
2018-08-04T04:57:42 < Cracki> so, effectively, we pay to redistribute jobs?
2018-08-04T04:58:01 < jadew> because some of those people without a job, will have to re-orient themselves to better jobs
2018-08-04T04:58:02 < Cracki> not all, only those where the labor market is crowded by workers
2018-08-04T04:58:05 < jadew> everyone will migrate up
2018-08-04T04:58:15 < Cracki> you think people are capable of anything?
2018-08-04T04:58:44 < jadew> they don't have to be as good as you
2018-08-04T04:59:06 < Cracki> do you suppose there's a certain level of skill for any job?
2018-08-04T04:59:24 < Cracki> or can people do a job even though they have neither the skill nor the understanding for it?
2018-08-04T04:59:40 < jadew> they can, as long as it's not a new job
2018-08-04T05:00:02 < branjb> the massive push for people to do STEM careers is to kill engineer salaries
2018-08-04T05:00:09 < jadew> yeah
2018-08-04T05:00:31 < Cracki> indeed, there's no shortage of skilled engineers, the companies just don't want to pay what the people are worth
2018-08-04T05:00:51 < branjb> at least in the US engineer salaries are still high but it seems like there is way more candidates than positions
2018-08-04T05:01:07 < Cracki> so what we should do is make sure our labor market isn't getting crowded by people who *can't* do our jobs anyway
2018-08-04T05:01:15 < branjb> it's also difficult because there are a ton of shit tier engineers
2018-08-04T05:01:25 < jadew> Cracki, no, best thing you can do is not have a job
2018-08-04T05:01:27 < Cracki> and companies hire shit tier labor
2018-08-04T05:01:29 < jadew> instead be a king
2018-08-04T05:01:33 < branjb> yup
2018-08-04T05:01:40 < Cracki> and when they hire shit tier, they perform shit tier
2018-08-04T05:01:49 < Cracki> so companies need to be "led to the water"
2018-08-04T05:02:04 < branjb> I routinely work with senior and principal embedded engineers who can't even use the linux command line.. when their job is embedded lunix shit
2018-08-04T05:02:40 < Cracki> there just is no place for more unskilled labor, and putting people on welfare will only weaken your economy
2018-08-04T05:03:17 < jadew> Cracki, so what's your suggestion?
2018-08-04T05:03:30 < Cracki> cost of life in a first world nation is an order of magnitude more expensive. for the same money, you can help at least ten people elsewhere.
2018-08-04T05:03:47 < jadew> the problem with this is that if you don't outsource, others will and they'll beat you on the international market
2018-08-04T05:04:01 < jadew> so you have to take advantage of this anyway (as a country)
2018-08-04T05:04:23 < Cracki> my suggestion: claim some land north of south africa (call it northern south africa or something) and deport all our jobless people to there. their upkeep will be cheap
2018-08-04T05:04:41 < branjb> lol
2018-08-04T05:04:43 < jadew> hah
2018-08-04T05:04:48 < Cracki> that's not the case. outsourcing isn't always the best option
2018-08-04T05:04:49 < jadew> that's actually brilliant
2018-08-04T05:05:06 < jadew> but I don't think they'll agree to it
2018-08-04T05:05:10 < branjb> outsourcing programming seems to always cost more than just hiring domestic 
2018-08-04T05:05:24 < Cracki> I would also employ chinese to staff military, police, security. they don't give a fuck about looking bad for defending what's theirs.
2018-08-04T05:05:28 < jadew> branjb, depends how cheap you go
2018-08-04T05:05:51 < Cracki> "outsourcing" to first world companies might work
2018-08-04T05:05:54 < jadew> but generally speaking, bad code costs more in the long run - unless your product has a very short life span
2018-08-04T05:06:03 < Cracki> outsourcing to some place you don't even have a native language in common, that's hard
2018-08-04T05:06:19 < Cracki> you can outsource production, that's what developing nations are good at
2018-08-04T05:06:52 < Cracki> you can never outsource the university education you get in a western nation, into a western brain
2018-08-04T05:07:26 < Cracki> (I would count the chinese as "western" nowadays or in a few decades at most)
2018-08-04T05:07:37 < Cracki> japanese of course, they're smart cookies
2018-08-04T05:09:29 < Cracki> we should give up this term "western". I think, how much energy you can burn with your brain (and not overheat) depends a lot on your climate.
2018-08-04T05:09:59 < jadew> lol
2018-08-04T05:14:27 < Cracki> btw, deported people never have a say in their deportation. that's the point of deportation.
2018-08-04T05:14:47 < Cracki> besides, what jobless person wouldn't want to live in south africa?
2018-08-04T05:15:11 < Cracki> nice climate, it *used to be* a western nation before everthing turned to shit and burning tire "necklaces"
2018-08-04T05:15:46 < Cracki> they used to have nukes too! can you imagine the current administration of SA having nukes?
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2018-08-04T05:57:57 < englishman> branjb: what do you call a doctor who barely finished exams and came last in his class
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2018-08-04T06:02:08 < Cracki> you ruined the joke
2018-08-04T06:05:56 < cpctr> the doctor
2018-08-04T06:07:14 < englishman> correct
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2018-08-04T06:12:18 < cpctr> it is muh truncated form
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2018-08-04T06:12:51 < capacitor> hello welcome!
2018-08-04T06:16:16 < branjb> englishman: a doctor
2018-08-04T06:16:28 < englishman> correct
2018-08-04T06:17:32 < branjb> I don't consider myself that smart but compared to some of the people I work with I'm Einstein
2018-08-04T06:18:42 < englishman> v modest
2018-08-04T06:19:11 < branjb> actually they are just that dumb
2018-08-04T06:24:30 < branjb> also you ever try talking to a doctor, they are pretty dumb
2018-08-04T06:25:58 < englishman> no i am in perfect health
2018-08-04T06:27:01 < Thorn> attn englishman https://youtu.be/K7lCQhs_I5E?t=1m14s
2018-08-04T06:28:02 < englishman> good morning Thorn 
2018-08-04T06:28:25 < Thorn> good morning mr. englishman sir
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2018-08-04T06:30:09 < englishman> what is going on in mосква́ today
2018-08-04T06:31:21 < Thorn> no idea
2018-08-04T06:45:55 < bitmask> haha wtf, I just went to check usps for tracking updates and There was this for today: Delivery Exception, Animal Interference
2018-08-04T06:46:32 < Cracki> badger.
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2018-08-04T07:28:47 < Cracki> nice
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2018-08-04T08:44:43 < englishman> Fortnite players on Android will have to take the uncommon step of going straight to a website, downloading an "APK" file, and opening up Android's permissions to approve the game's install.
2018-08-04T08:45:04 < englishman> what.
2018-08-04T08:45:26 < englishman> might as well install bonzibuddy
2018-08-04T09:05:44 < R0b0t1> Seems okay if you want to avoid the Google app store
2018-08-04T09:05:55 < R0b0t1> I really think you could argue the difficulty could be part of antitrust rulings
2018-08-04T09:06:06 < R0b0t1> But then you'd need to do something about bootlocked phones
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2018-08-04T12:30:34 < Steffanx> You're right zyp. This zero fast charging isnt really fast charging. Seems it just "faster" charging.
2018-08-04T12:30:40 < Steffanx> Its*
2018-08-04T12:31:06 < Steffanx> Still cant use the fast charge stations.
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2018-08-04T15:45:44 < bitmask> how do you guys store ics?
2018-08-04T15:46:06 < bitmask> and smd reels and stuff
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2018-08-04T16:17:19 < Adluc> bitmask: the way it catches most dust in paper box
2018-08-04T16:18:27 < Adluc> hadnt had chance to do "production grade" board, but before reflow soldering MSL sensitive packages (STM32L4 in QFN48), I left it for an hour at 100C
2018-08-04T16:18:36 < Adluc> but dont know if it made a difference
2018-08-04T16:19:00 < englishman> I stopped doing that, too much inventory for nothing
2018-08-04T16:19:11 < englishman> I just buy parts for every project
2018-08-04T16:19:36 < englishman> except maybe for 0402 0.1u I have a lot of those. And 10k
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2018-08-04T16:43:24 < Steffanx> Worth more than buttcoins englishman?
2018-08-04T16:43:43 < englishman> could say that about almost anything
2018-08-04T16:44:34 < Steffanx> For me and you perhaps, but for some people its with a lot.
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2018-08-04T16:51:57 < branjb> this 30 year old boomer meme
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2018-08-04T18:48:27 < bitmask>  first print with titan aero + bltouch! its so quiet, I'll have to start printing faster
2018-08-04T18:48:37 < bitmask> (new bearings + stepper dampers)
2018-08-04T18:49:32 < upgrdman> making pizzas, tried half mozzarella + half muenster chesses... omfg so good. why is this not more popular.
2018-08-04T18:49:53 < bitmask> where do you live
2018-08-04T18:50:04 < upgrdman> so cal
2018-08-04T18:50:06 < bitmask> ive never seen muenster for pizza
2018-08-04T18:50:13 < bitmask> oh gross, you guys have terrible pizza
2018-08-04T18:50:17 < upgrdman> lol
2018-08-04T18:50:30 < bitmask> nj man, the best
2018-08-04T18:50:35 < upgrdman> its fucking orgasmic. try it some time.
2018-08-04T18:50:41  * BrainDamage coughs
2018-08-04T18:50:53 < upgrdman> nj and ny pizza is good, italy too braindamage!
2018-08-04T18:57:16 < Thorn> I'm disappointed by these wheels. they don't feel smooth and they don't rotate freely :/
2018-08-04T18:57:51 < bitmask> wheels for what
2018-08-04T18:58:21 < Thorn> for the printer
2018-08-04T18:58:36 < bitmask> for alu extrusion?
2018-08-04T18:58:40 < Thorn> yes
2018-08-04T18:59:03 < bitmask> I wish I had alu
2018-08-04T18:59:16 < Thorn> these https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10Pcs-Set-3D-Printer-Parts-Mini-Dual-V-Slot-Wheel-Kit-High-Tolerance-For-Precise-V/32831313499.html
2018-08-04T18:59:30 < bitmask> swap the bearings out?
2018-08-04T19:00:14 < Thorn> what do I replace them with, more Chinese bearings?
2018-08-04T19:00:40 < bitmask> I dunno, just a suggestion
2018-08-04T19:03:03 < Thorn> >I was stolen by this vendor. does not deliver the goods.
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2018-08-04T19:05:30 < bitmask> hmm to spend $20 on a new heatsink for cosmetic reasons only
2018-08-04T19:05:40 < bitmask> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Titan-Aero-Upgrade-Heatsink-1-75mm-or-2-85mm-Titan-extruder-and-V6-Hotend-Reprap-Prusa/1654223_32813544092.html?spm=2114.12010608/itm2home-4.0.0.227a70f1FeHGCl
2018-08-04T19:20:27 < Steffanx> fuck no :P
2018-08-04T19:21:26 < bitmask> haha you boring soul
2018-08-04T19:21:41 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/hazc75cvdzd11.jpg
2018-08-04T19:21:41 < bitmask> always raining on my parade steffan
2018-08-04T19:25:10 < Steffanx> yw bitmask
2018-08-04T19:36:07 < mawk> why is laurenceb banned
2018-08-04T19:36:17 < mawk> he seemed like a nice guy
2018-08-04T19:45:48 < englishman> for constantly posting garbage
2018-08-04T19:46:11 < englishman> he is a nice guy
2018-08-04T19:46:13 < englishman> and super smart
2018-08-04T19:46:34 < englishman> but he is an awful troll
2018-08-04T19:50:13 < Steffanx> do you know him mawk?
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2018-08-04T20:06:58 < Laurenceb__> gamification
2018-08-04T20:08:32 < zyp> sup?
2018-08-04T20:10:56 < Laurenceb__> muh gui is breaking
2018-08-04T20:11:08 < Laurenceb__> I think its Qt toInt weirdness
2018-08-04T20:11:30 < Laurenceb__> prob faster to write everything in c rather than read Qt docs for every function...
2018-08-04T20:12:49 < zyp> do you prioritize what's faster or what's better?
2018-08-04T20:13:59 < Laurenceb__> whats faster cuz it has to work like already...
2018-08-04T20:17:40 < zyp> flawed thinking
2018-08-04T20:18:11 < zyp> if you had prioritized what was better from the start, it would have worked now instead of having to fuck around trying to make it work
2018-08-04T20:20:46 < Laurenceb__> fair point
2018-08-04T20:21:01 < Laurenceb__> it would help if the requirements had stayed consistent...
2018-08-04T20:22:01 < zyp> my experience is that quick solutions can quickly end up being the largest time sinks in a project
2018-08-04T20:24:08 < zyp> some years ago I worked on a project to replace some embedded linux boxes with simpler and more robust hardware
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2018-08-04T20:25:16 < Laurenceb__> after experiencing the BBB I'm not a fan of embedded linux
2018-08-04T20:25:20 < zyp> solution was ip networked, with two kinds of nodes talking to each other and a backend server
2018-08-04T20:25:35 < zyp> this was older stuff, not sure exactly what, I never touched the linux stuff
2018-08-04T20:26:25 < zyp> I started at the company in 2011 and the old linux solution was made before that, we did the work on the new system in 2013
2018-08-04T20:26:29 < mawk> no Steffanx 
2018-08-04T20:27:38 < zyp> so anyway, we were not replacing the backend, only the nodes, and so the decision was made to keep the old protocol, which was built on zeromq
2018-08-04T20:28:16 < zyp> so I wrote a zeromq implementation running on top of lwip
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2018-08-04T20:29:29 < zyp> now, the thing is that zeromq is designed to be a fire-and-forget-ish kind of protocol, you don't have to worry about connection state, stack will handle all that for you, you just put in data in one end and take it out in the other end
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2018-08-04T20:30:04 < zyp> it turned out that application requirements made it absolutely necessary to know connection state
2018-08-04T20:31:05 < zyp> we found a bunch of corner cases that the old implementation never accounted for, and ended up layering a lot of shit logic on top of zeromq to make everything work as it should
2018-08-04T20:31:33 < zyp> one of my coworkers spent months trying to make everything run reliably
2018-08-04T20:31:57 < zyp> zeromq was a terrible choice for the application in the first place
2018-08-04T20:32:18 < zyp> but of course, the quick solution was keeping to the existing protocol :p
2018-08-04T20:33:00 < zyp> and we didn't even avoid having to make changes on the backend
2018-08-04T20:33:29 < zyp> we would have saved so much time if we just threw out zeromq right away and designed a suitable new protocol ground up
2018-08-04T20:36:09 < Cracki> what existing protocols would have suited you?
2018-08-04T20:36:13 < Cracki> mqtt?
2018-08-04T20:36:34 < Cracki> why would you need to know connection state if delivery was guaranteed reliable by the protocol?
2018-08-04T20:36:35 < zyp> plain tcp with a framing layer, probably
2018-08-04T20:37:19 < zyp> Cracki, failsafe actions to be taken if the connection were down, or something like that
2018-08-04T20:37:50 < Cracki> well... buffer the message until its delivery was confirmed, keep trying to reconnect
2018-08-04T20:38:03 < Cracki> you wouldn't care about rcp retransmits either
2018-08-04T20:38:09 < Cracki> *tcp
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2018-08-04T20:39:19 < zyp> I don't remember the specifics, but imagine you have a remote control connected to some sort of machine
2018-08-04T20:39:27 < zyp> remote control sends commands to the machine
2018-08-04T20:40:00 < zyp> when the remote control is offline and can't operate the machine, machine needs to take some failsafe actions
2018-08-04T20:40:13 < zyp> for that reason, machine needs to know if remote control is connected
2018-08-04T20:41:21 < zyp> IIRC we ended up layering some regular ping messages on top of the zeromq link, where a missing reply would indicate a failed connection
2018-08-04T20:41:31 < Cracki> ah that
2018-08-04T20:41:40 < zyp> anyway, this is all five years ago, so I don't remember all the specifics
2018-08-04T20:42:11 < zyp> just that it took literally months to make it work reliably, all because somebody decided to keep working on a shitty groundwork instead of redoing it
2018-08-04T20:42:25 < Cracki> who decided that?
2018-08-04T20:42:32 < Cracki> a "boss" who wouldn't have to do the work?
2018-08-04T20:42:48 < zyp> probably
2018-08-04T20:43:04 < Cracki> always ignore instructions from those who don't have to do the work
2018-08-04T20:43:07 < Steffanx> but was it lack of system knowledge, lack of requirements or .. ?
2018-08-04T20:43:14 < zyp> well, I didn't argue against it, it sounded reasonable until I realized how unfit it was
2018-08-04T20:43:22 < zyp> so yes
2018-08-04T20:43:27 < Cracki> change the plan to suit the situation
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2018-08-04T20:43:37 < zyp> like I said, old system were before my time
2018-08-04T20:43:53 < Cracki> shoot the boss
2018-08-04T20:44:09 < Steffanx> It's always easy to say something was bad choice when you run into trouble or didnt think about something :P
2018-08-04T20:44:28 < Cracki> it might be a good heuristic to say "touch as little as possible"
2018-08-04T20:44:29 < zyp> and then once we had a zeromq on lwip-implementation, you're in «sunk cost fallacy» land wrt. throwing it away and starting over :p
2018-08-04T20:44:41 < Cracki> but once you *know* it needs changing, do it
2018-08-04T20:45:01 < zyp> Steffanx, especially when I can blame others for making them :p
2018-08-04T20:45:12 < Cracki> diversity: partition your meatbags into different approaches
2018-08-04T20:45:26 < Steffanx> Yes, but it sucks when you get blamed for the time it takes to get it fixed. [ been there, done that ]
2018-08-04T20:45:35 < Cracki> conservative and aggressive approaches
2018-08-04T20:45:38 < zyp> hehe
2018-08-04T20:46:38 < Steffanx> Especially when it's some german company to blame. Some german company wrote a driver for some i2c fram. They failed to do it properly so fram got corrupted once it a while.
2018-08-04T20:46:45 < Steffanx> and mr Steffanx had to fix their code -_-
2018-08-04T20:46:53 < zyp> :)
2018-08-04T20:47:00 < Steffanx> stm32 i2c <3
2018-08-04T20:47:22 < zyp> I have a rule of thumb regarding quick solutions
2018-08-04T20:47:53 < zyp> if a quick solution is quick enough that you don't mind throwing it away when it proves insufficient, go ahead and do it
2018-08-04T20:48:01 < zyp> otherwise, do it properly from the start
2018-08-04T20:48:17 < zyp> the worst solutions are shitty solutions that are hard to replace later
2018-08-04T20:48:42 < zyp> anyway, gtg
2018-08-04T20:48:51 < Steffanx> and still you'll run into the "why i did it like this"-situation.
2018-08-04T20:48:58 < Steffanx> enjoy.
2018-08-04T20:49:17 < Steffanx> Zhe germans like the aggressive approach Cracki :P
2018-08-04T20:49:38 < Steffanx> and the ignorant approach.
2018-08-04T20:49:39 < Cracki> read some history. the red cross was given free reign in germany during ww2
2018-08-04T20:50:10 < Cracki> diversity of thought is important, it prevents groupthink
2018-08-04T20:51:06 < Steffanx> I this case it was a specific company: Softing. You might know it.
2018-08-04T20:51:11 < Cracki> why blame all germans for one little company someone decided to use driver code from?
2018-08-04T20:51:17 < Cracki> never heard of it
2018-08-04T20:51:47 < Steffanx> Mitarbeiterzahl 	430. not THAT small.
2018-08-04T20:52:10 < Cracki> headcount has no relation to competence in specific applications
2018-08-04T20:52:28 < Steffanx> Not at all, no. 
2018-08-04T20:52:49 < Cracki> their german wikipedia article is astroturfed
2018-08-04T20:53:00 < Cracki> it's all written by their marketing drones.
2018-08-04T20:55:40 < Laurenceb__> GERM-man
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2018-08-04T21:03:26 < Laurenceb__> reee the pedo spammers
2018-08-04T21:03:44 < Laurenceb__> I mean its probably true but I dont even care any more
2018-08-04T21:04:09 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb__ has finally found someone more obnoxious than himself and now he's in love
2018-08-04T21:04:19 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-08-04T21:04:51 < Laurenceb__> they dont seem to have found this channel.. yet
2018-08-04T21:05:18 < Steffanx> im surprised actually. As #stm32 has no +s and does redirect
2018-08-04T21:05:29 < Steffanx> or perhaps it does not redirect anymore.
2018-08-04T21:05:30 < Laurenceb__> they have a bazillion ip6 addresses
2018-08-04T21:05:31 < Steffanx> might be it
2018-08-04T21:06:11 < Laurenceb__> seems Bryan Ostergaard is a new one
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2018-08-04T21:08:12 < Steffanx> oh #stm32 no longer redirects, explains it
2018-08-04T21:08:55 < Steffanx> Ill be nice for dongs and not +r this channel. 
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2018-08-05T00:45:05 < englishman> zyp: https://i.imgur.com/kj4fH4K.jpg
2018-08-05T00:45:20 < englishman> using an app and obd dongle, reported 2.9%
2018-08-05T00:45:56 < BrainDamage> what happens if you flatline?
2018-08-05T00:46:06 < englishman> first its suppose to go into turtle mode
2018-08-05T00:46:10 < englishman> supposed to
2018-08-05T00:46:38 < englishman> then i think you have another 5km or so until you would start to damage the battery, then it will actually shut you down
2018-08-05T00:46:59 < zyp> fun :)
2018-08-05T00:47:09 < englishman> the app also reports the battery reserve, the room kept on the top and bottom ends of the battery for reliability, or emergency use (turtle mode)
2018-08-05T00:47:32 < englishman> 22 hours recharge estimate at 120v15a :(
2018-08-05T00:47:44 < zyp> I don't think my car has a reserve in addition to what's shown on the battery gauge
2018-08-05T00:48:04 < zyp> I hit turtle mode before it bottoms out
2018-08-05T00:48:35 < zyp> but I think my wife's car does
2018-08-05T00:49:09 < zyp> fast chargers are always showing a higher SoC than what the meter indicates
2018-08-05T00:49:43 < englishman> interesting, mine have been accurate
2018-08-05T00:50:00 < zyp> tempted to get some friends together some time and actually drive cars empty until we need to tow them home
2018-08-05T00:50:11 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/Ki2MuBh.jpg
2018-08-05T00:50:14 < englishman> powahh
2018-08-05T00:50:39 < zyp> nice
2018-08-05T00:51:13 < zyp> reminds me I need to email volkswagen and ask about charger compatibility
2018-08-05T00:51:55 < zyp> my car hates some brands of fast chargers, and I've heard that for other egolfs, some act the same way while others have no problems
2018-08-05T00:52:06 < zyp> so I suspect there's a software difference
2018-08-05T00:52:22 < englishman> just carry around a little 6kw generator
2018-08-05T00:52:28 < englishman> and go til the car dies
2018-08-05T00:52:40 < zyp> there's not a lot of incompatible chargers left in norway because it turned out most of them were generally shitty and got replaced
2018-08-05T00:52:47 < zyp> but I ran into a couple in germany
2018-08-05T00:52:59 < zyp> and actually another one yesterday :p
2018-08-05T00:53:07 < englishman> i have also heard of software differences, certain model year leafs didnt work on a certain network until they rolled out a fix
2018-08-05T00:53:17 < zyp> yeah
2018-08-05T00:53:46 < zyp> on my car it happens with several different brands though
2018-08-05T00:53:49 < englishman> how many km driven on your trip so far
2018-08-05T00:53:58 < zyp> all of them, got back home yesterday
2018-08-05T00:54:04 < englishman> oh that was short
2018-08-05T00:54:10 < englishman> how many slow and fast charges?
2018-08-05T00:54:20 < zyp> not sure how many km in total, forgot to note the odometer before we left
2018-08-05T00:54:33 < englishman> data acquisition fail, forgot to press start button
2018-08-05T00:54:41 < zyp> :)
2018-08-05T00:55:15 < zyp> also passed 55555 km on the odometer yesterday, completely forgot about that too
2018-08-05T00:55:25 < zyp> saw it at 55505 in the morning
2018-08-05T00:56:00 < englishman> nice
2018-08-05T00:56:12 < englishman> in 2 years?
2018-08-05T00:56:42 < zyp> two years and five months
2018-08-05T00:57:54 < Steffanx> Btw that zero motor indeed doesnt do real fast charging zyp. If does "faster" charging at 6kW. 
2018-08-05T00:58:25 < Steffanx> The "energica" on the other hand does support fast charging.
2018-08-05T00:58:36 < Steffanx> If=it
2018-08-05T00:59:21 < zyp> ah, yes, energica were the other ones I were thinking about
2018-08-05T01:01:25 < zyp> englishman, putting the general path we took into google maps suggest we drove around 2500km in total
2018-08-05T01:01:32 < englishman> not bd
2018-08-05T01:01:33 < englishman> bad
2018-08-05T01:01:51 < BrainDamage> yeah, not me
2018-08-05T01:01:59 < zyp> estimate says 2430 and 70km of extra local driving might be realistic, quite possibly more
2018-08-05T01:02:23 < zyp> oh, surely more, I forgot about a side trip
2018-08-05T01:02:38 < zyp> maybe closer to 2700 then
2018-08-05T01:03:13 < zyp> what I'm also wondering is how much we actually spent charging
2018-08-05T01:03:27 < zyp> in germany, we mainly charged for free
2018-08-05T01:03:52 < englishman> 1 week or two?
2018-08-05T01:04:01 < zyp> 10 nights in total
2018-08-05T01:04:06 < englishman> ah not too bad then
2018-08-05T01:04:08 < zyp> i.e. 11 days
2018-08-05T01:04:43 < zyp> one night in .dk, five nights in .de, three in .nl and one on the ferry back
2018-08-05T01:06:42 < zyp> ok, let's see
2018-08-05T01:07:04 < zyp> in germany I spent a grand total of 6.85 EUR on fast charging
2018-08-05T01:07:49 < zyp> 1.85 EUR on a charger that charged like .1 EUR per minute and 5 EUR on a charger that wanted 5 EUR for a session
2018-08-05T01:08:04 < zyp> the remaining charging stops were all free of charge
2018-08-05T01:10:28 < zyp> in .nl I spent 38.48 EUR across six stops
2018-08-05T01:10:48 < BrainDamage> how much do you pay per km approx?
2018-08-05T01:12:06 < zyp> unfortunately I don't have numbers on how much I spent in .dk, but it would have been fun to add up the total power cost for the entire trip and divide it on km driven
2018-08-05T01:12:35 < zyp> .dk charging company don't have an online log, so I won't know until they send me a bill, and I have no idea when that will be
2018-08-05T01:12:49 < zyp> I just got a bill a few weeks ago for charging I did in october last year :p
2018-08-05T01:13:20 < zyp> hmm
2018-08-05T01:13:46 < englishman> bills? mail? such old tech
2018-08-05T01:13:53 < zyp> fastned.nl has two plans; 0 per month and 0.59 per kWh or 11.99 per month and 0.35 per kWh
2018-08-05T01:14:00 < englishman> germany is truly an advanced country, since it's free
2018-08-05T01:14:20 < zyp> I picked the former, charged 65.17 kWh, came out to 38.48 EUR
2018-08-05T01:14:26 < englishman> did the fast charging stations have chademo available or just ccs?
2018-08-05T01:14:46 < zyp> would have been 34.8 with the monthly subscription instead
2018-08-05T01:14:53 < zyp> most of them have both
2018-08-05T01:15:10 < englishman> does CCS have canbus?
2018-08-05T01:15:20 < zyp> I used at least one that only had CCS and AC, but that was outside a VW dealership
2018-08-05T01:15:22 < englishman> i mean, the charger has to know much more about the battery
2018-08-05T01:15:33 < zyp> nissan dealerships also do chademo only chargers, so that's fair enough :p
2018-08-05T01:15:37 < englishman> heh
2018-08-05T01:15:57 < zyp> no, CCS is using powerline greenphy
2018-08-05T01:16:07 < sync> ewww
2018-08-05T01:16:34 < karlp> thought you were talking baout code composer studio... :)
2018-08-05T01:16:34 < zyp> with a pretty heavy stack of shit on top of it
2018-08-05T01:16:47 < zyp> some sort of xml over ip stuff
2018-08-05T01:17:23 < englishman> interesting
2018-08-05T01:17:40 < englishman> ISO/IEC 15118-2:2014 ED1
2018-08-05T01:17:48 < zyp> one thing I really liked about fastned is that they have a feature where you can allow the charger to recognize the serial of the car and authorize charging automatically
2018-08-05T01:17:56 < englishman> Road vehicles -- Vehicle-to-Grid Communication Interface
2018-08-05T01:18:11 < englishman> haha neat
2018-08-05T01:18:14 < englishman> like tesla i guess.
2018-08-05T01:18:15 < zyp> I'm gonna mail both major operators in norway and ask them to add it
2018-08-05T01:18:43 < zyp> apparently they only support that on CCS, not chademo
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2018-08-05T01:18:59 < zyp> chademo spec apparently doesn't send any usable form of unique id
2018-08-05T01:20:21 < englishman> untraceable cars
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2018-08-05T01:21:29 < zyp> hmm
2018-08-05T01:21:33 < BrainDamage> you could always send a random id if you cared about that
2018-08-05T01:21:42 < englishman> oh right, CCS has that connector that is totally different than J1772 but looks similar
2018-08-05T01:22:29 < englishman> did slow charging stations have J1772?
2018-08-05T01:22:29 < zyp> CCS/combo is basically a type-1 or type-2 connector with an extra 2-pin thing for DC added underneath
2018-08-05T01:22:36 < englishman> because i have yet to see a type 2 here
2018-08-05T01:22:52 < zyp> no, they all have type-2-outlets here
2018-08-05T01:23:07 < zyp> so if you have a type-1-car you get a type-1 to type-2 cable
2018-08-05T01:23:20 < englishman> apparently north american egolf has J1772
2018-08-05T01:23:35 < englishman> and also CCS
2018-08-05T01:23:41 < zyp> yes, it's because residential three-phase over there
2018-08-05T01:23:52 < zyp> and yes, CCS comes in both combo-1 and combo-2 variants
2018-08-05T01:23:59 < englishman> ahh ok
2018-08-05T01:24:00 < zyp> they are all combo-2 here, naturally
2018-08-05T01:24:27 < zyp> type-2 basically has the exactly same pins as type-1 plus another two phase conductors
2018-08-05T01:24:37 < zyp> and a different locking mechanism
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2018-08-05T01:25:23 < zyp> interestingly, the european variant of the 2018 leaf has switched from type-1 to type-2 for slow charging, but kept the chademo for fast charging
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2018-08-05T01:26:07 < zyp> and it doesn't implement the L2/L3 pins in the inlet, so it can't make use of three-phase supplies either
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2018-08-05T01:28:16 < zyp> it'd be convenient if it was more standardized
2018-08-05T01:29:08 < zyp> having a single cable hanging on the wall that can charge both your cars is more convenient than having to have two, or get out the right cable to plug into an outlet
2018-08-05T01:30:59  * karlp really thought this stuff had been worked out a bit better by now.
2018-08-05T01:31:23 < zyp> it is pretty well worked out, US and JP are exclusively type-1
2018-08-05T01:31:31 < englishman> probably using the same single-phase chargers worldwide
2018-08-05T01:31:33 < zyp> JP is even chademo-only
2018-08-05T01:31:45 < englishman> the motor and inverter have not changed much since 2010. a little power boost for 2018
2018-08-05T01:32:06 < englishman> i still don't see the point of 3 phase residential
2018-08-05T01:32:20 < englishman> not unless you have 3 phase refrigeration or something
2018-08-05T01:32:20 < zyp> what do you see the point of 3 phase for?
2018-08-05T01:32:32 < englishman> mostly for motors
2018-08-05T01:32:53 < englishman> where constant power throughout motor phase is handy
2018-08-05T01:33:06 < karlp> three phase here is mostly just load distribution, not for "moah power for a single load"
2018-08-05T01:33:14 < zyp> yes
2018-08-05T01:33:28 < zyp> power conducted vs amount of copper required
2018-08-05T01:33:34 < englishman> yeah, so here every 3rd house is tapped into the same phase
2018-08-05T01:33:38 < englishman> shrug
2018-08-05T01:33:59 < zyp> uh, that doesn't sound right
2018-08-05T01:34:05 < karlp> speaking of new builds though, sister moved into a posh fancy new appartment here.
2018-08-05T01:34:08 < zyp> you have N and PE at the same level, right?
2018-08-05T01:34:13 < karlp> they don't have their own utility meter. 
2018-08-05T01:34:17 < englishman> yes, at transformer and house both
2018-08-05T01:34:35 < karlp> body corporate is doing teh whole building (7 floors, 50 somethign appartments)
2018-08-05T01:34:56 < karlp> and just dividing by floor area, swears they're cheaper that way as they get to be a " big user" and get a different tarrif.
2018-08-05T01:35:01 < karlp> seems wildly fucked up
2018-08-05T01:35:20 < zyp> you can't do split-phase on each of three phases and tie the middle N point to PE on each of them without galvanic isolation
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2018-08-05T01:35:44 < zyp> closest you can do is feed a single/split phase transformer from one phase of a three phase supply line
2018-08-05T01:35:52 < zyp> so every third block on one phase or something
2018-08-05T01:36:03 < englishman> yes that is what happening
2018-08-05T01:36:10 < englishman> what is happening
2018-08-05T01:36:13 < zyp> that's fair enough
2018-08-05T01:36:57 < englishman> of course here the houses are so far apart, we each have our own transformers. so that is what i meant :P
2018-08-05T01:37:04 < zyp> haha
2018-08-05T01:37:29 < zyp> but shit matters for residential wiring
2018-08-05T01:38:16 < zyp> from a split phase transformer you need three conductors capable of conducting x A, and available power will then be 240V * a
2018-08-05T01:39:00 < zyp> in our TN-C-S supply nets we need four conductors doing x A giving 230 V * 3 * a
2018-08-05T01:39:11 < zyp> almost three times the power for 33% more copper
2018-08-05T01:39:25 < karlp> norway has silly power :)
2018-08-05T01:39:25 < kakimir> englishman making sauna electricity?
2018-08-05T01:39:42 < zyp> karlp, referring to the IT nets then?
2018-08-05T01:39:46 < karlp> yeah
2018-08-05T01:39:48 < zyp> agreed
2018-08-05T01:39:53 < kakimir> zyp is figuring out how to charge his car?
2018-08-05T01:40:06 < zyp> everything new is TN
2018-08-05T01:40:14 < karlp> heh.
2018-08-05T01:40:19 < karlp> bit more compatible with the world
2018-08-05T01:40:23 < zyp> yeah
2018-08-05T01:41:06 < zyp> kakimir, I think I figured out that quite a while ago :p
2018-08-05T01:44:53 < zyp> I should put some more work into the EVSE board I were doing though
2018-08-05T01:47:53 < kakimir> ?
2018-08-05T01:48:30 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/BKkr8.png <- this
2018-08-05T01:48:48 < zyp> it's almost done, except the edison is obsolete and should be replaced
2018-08-05T01:49:09 < BrainDamage> can't englishman sell you a couple hundred?
2018-08-05T01:49:09 < karlp> why did you choose edison again anyway?
2018-08-05T01:49:38 < zyp> size, mainly
2018-08-05T01:50:28 < zyp> nah, I figure I'll throw out the edison and put on an ethernet phy instead
2018-08-05T01:50:49 < zyp> and if I do ethernet, I can throw out CAN too
2018-08-05T01:51:13 < zyp> but idk, I'd probably keep it for the prototype
2018-08-05T02:05:39 < bitmask> bye bye eeprom support
2018-08-05T02:07:47 < bitmask> anyone use linear advance in marlin
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2018-08-05T02:38:08 < Cracki> how often do y'all's LAN switches die? mine just did and it has served me since 2008
2018-08-05T02:48:18 < friendofafriend> Cracki: I've had ports die, never a whole switch.
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2018-08-05T02:48:53 < Cracki> well it lives, but I get packet drops
2018-08-05T02:49:14 < Cracki> and I cba to test which port is how bad
2018-08-05T02:49:28 < Cracki> it's just a 5-port consumer thingy
2018-08-05T02:50:56 < Cracki> I'm glad I kept the spare. didn't use it because it's another cruddy netgear with "semi-smart" config... the config tool is windows-only and seems to broadcast the password in plaintext
2018-08-05T03:04:28 < Laurenceb__> This channel has been hacked by Australia's #1 hacker Simon 'eVestigator' Smith
2018-08-05T03:04:33 < Laurenceb__> my sides
2018-08-05T03:06:22 < Cracki> I'm so glad my irc client is scriptable. I don't see all that shit anymore
2018-08-05T03:25:03 < jadew> https://abcnews.go.com/International/murder-trial-man-accused-killing-journalist-aboard-submarine/story?id=53591204
2018-08-05T03:25:12 < jadew> I suppose you guys remember the submarine incident
2018-08-05T03:25:54 < jadew> judging by the findings, it doesn't look like an accident anymore
2018-08-05T03:26:44 < jadew> interesting stuff in the article: "Investigators never found Madsen's phone, but they were able to recreate its contents, the prosecutor said. Hours before boarding the submarine with Wall on Aug. 10, Madsen had searched for the words "beheading," "girl" and "agony.""
2018-08-05T03:27:00 < jadew> meaning - someone is recording everything you do
2018-08-05T03:27:25 < jadew> what's even more worrying: "A video of a woman having her throat slit had been played on his phone. Videos showing women being tortured and executed also were found on his computer"
2018-08-05T03:27:46 < jadew> oh, it has been played, I thought it said he had the video on his phone
2018-08-05T03:28:39 < jadew> still, looks like everything you do is recorded, at least in Denmark
2018-08-05T03:33:16 < Laurenceb__> submarine guy used to hang on irc
2018-08-05T03:33:23 < Laurenceb__> iirc I spoke to him a few times
2018-08-05T03:33:51 < Cracki> jadew, prolly "recorded" by his youtube account
2018-08-05T03:34:06 < Laurenceb__> everyone advised to avoid him because he was an attention whore who stole other peoples work and was incapable of doing anything himself
2018-08-05T03:34:11 < jadew> Cracki, you think those sorts of videos are on youtube?
2018-08-05T03:34:18 < Cracki> maybe?
2018-08-05T03:34:20 < Laurenceb__> that was before the murder thing
2018-08-05T03:34:45 < jadew> Laurenceb__, bullshit, where did you speak with him?
2018-08-05T03:34:54 < Laurenceb__>  #highaltitude
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2018-08-05T03:39:43 < jadew> kind of ironic, considering he built himself a sumbarine
2018-08-05T03:39:51 < jadew> *submarine
2018-08-05T03:44:14 < Cracki> uh... that article is from march
2018-08-05T03:45:02 < Cracki> next up: necromancer in his airship
2018-08-05T03:45:25 < jadew> yeah... I wanted to see what has happened with that case, I think the incident took place at the begining of the year
2018-08-05T03:45:34 < Laurenceb__> > he built himself a sumbarine
2018-08-05T03:45:36 < Laurenceb__> nope
2018-08-05T03:45:43 < jadew> Laurenceb__, he didn't build it?
2018-08-05T03:45:50 < Laurenceb__> he psyopp'd a bunch of tools to build him it
2018-08-05T03:46:07 < Laurenceb__> they got punked
2018-08-05T03:46:28 < Laurenceb__> his only skill was charisma
2018-08-05T03:46:35 < Laurenceb__> like an engineering Tony Blair
2018-08-05T03:46:42 < Laurenceb__> only he killed fewer people
2018-08-05T03:46:45 < jadew> how do you know this?
2018-08-05T03:47:11 < Laurenceb__> lurking on SA
2018-08-05T03:47:22 < Laurenceb__> where he recruited most of his marks
2018-08-05T03:47:38 < jadew> what's SA?
2018-08-05T03:47:53 < Laurenceb__> something awful forums
2018-08-05T03:48:24 < jadew> is that an engineering forum?
2018-08-05T03:48:44 < Laurenceb__> no its like an earlier iteration of EDF
2018-08-05T03:48:56 < Laurenceb__> or thehun.com
2018-08-05T03:49:05 < jadew> none of that tells me anything
2018-08-05T03:49:34 < jadew> what's it about?
2018-08-05T03:49:51 < Laurenceb__> shitposting central
2018-08-05T03:50:26 < Laurenceb__> troll lair 
2018-08-05T03:51:41 < jadew> this seems to detail what happened there: https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/danish-journalist-was-tortured-by-submarine-owner-before-death-say-prosecutors-36523619.html
2018-08-05T03:52:17 < jadew> the story that came out in october (and which we read), only told us what the guy said and the police didn't have many findings to share at that time
2018-08-05T03:52:18 < Laurenceb__> sounds SA tier
2018-08-05T03:53:43 < jadew> hmm, looks like they mention the stabbings in the original article too, I don't remember reading about that tho: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/kim-wall-latest-updates-submarine-inventor-peter-madsen-admits-dismembering-body-swedish-journalist-a8027281.html
2018-08-05T03:54:34 < jadew> maybe that's not the article I remember...
2018-08-05T03:55:47 < jadew> he got 15 years in prison
2018-08-05T03:55:59 < jadew> that's like a slap on the wrist
2018-08-05T03:56:00 < Laurenceb__> >going in a submarine with a guy who lurks on a shitposting forum known for gore videos
2018-08-05T03:59:22 < tomeaton17> So he admits cutting her up but doesn't admit to murder... Nice.
2018-08-05T04:02:52 < Cracki> uh wat
2018-08-05T04:03:11 < Cracki> so she died spontaneously and he just felt like dismembering the corpse?
2018-08-05T04:03:31 < Cracki> or does he think people stay alive when you dismember them?
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2018-08-05T04:14:00 < Laurenceb__> probably
2018-08-05T04:14:06 < Laurenceb__> too much time on SA forumz
2018-08-05T04:14:43 < capacitor> ey gurrrl
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2018-08-05T04:34:40 < capacitor> doc
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2018-08-05T04:38:34 < MrMobius> seems like they do sentencing differently in Scandinavia
2018-08-05T04:38:52 < MrMobius> the max in Norway is 21 years or something and apparently they dont give the max very often
2018-08-05T04:39:15 < MrMobius> whereas in america one guy got 9 years for each letter he illegally opened
2018-08-05T04:39:18 < MrMobius> and he opened like 900
2018-08-05T04:40:32 < Cracki> might deter the next one who considers doing something stupid
2018-08-05T04:40:34 < capacitor> zyp: i think we should eat a whale when i come with steffan to say hi
2018-08-05T04:42:01 < capacitor> i was talking to a girl last night about marvelous sea creatures and norway
2018-08-05T04:45:43 < bitmask> how do you girls store your ICs and other components
2018-08-05T04:46:19 < capacitor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqAmR1lEN0I
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2018-08-05T04:51:27 < capacitor> does that make sense?
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2018-08-05T05:01:30 < Cracki> bitmask, https://previews.123rf.com/images/olivierl/olivierl1204/olivierl120400096/13452283-pile-de-d%C3%A9tritus-de-pi%C3%A8ces-d-ordinateur-mis-au-rebut-avec-les-cartes-de-circuits-et-modules-de-m%C3%A9moire-.jpg
2018-08-05T05:01:50 < Cracki> also this https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3465/4553998825_e3fc1176bb_b.jpg
2018-08-05T05:01:52 < bitmask> heh
2018-08-05T05:02:06 < bitmask> great system, find anything you need in less than a second!
2018-08-05T05:02:09 < Cracki> truthfully, got a few boxes with divisions and all my shit is in there
2018-08-05T05:02:27 < Cracki> organized by ad hoc categories
2018-08-05T05:02:37 < Cracki> not enough shit yet
2018-08-05T05:02:50 < bitmask> I got this cheap 60 drawer thing thats almost full, I don't have that big a collection yet so I think I can print some subdividers for what I have
2018-08-05T05:03:10 < capacitor> i just put a project box together 
2018-08-05T05:03:14 < BrainDamage> I sort by taste
2018-08-05T05:03:19 < capacitor> usually the digikey box the parts came in
2018-08-05T05:03:25 < bitmask> I'm liking how my collection/setup is coming along though
2018-08-05T05:03:29 < Cracki> my kits of R,C,L are either in bundles of tape or in flimsy ziplock bags inside less flimsy ziplock bags inside the envelope they came in from china
2018-08-05T05:03:31 < BrainDamage> one lick and you know instantly which tray it belongs to
2018-08-05T05:03:48 < capacitor> BrainDamage: you could also sniff it
2018-08-05T05:03:55 < Cracki> before you print flat pieces of plastic, consider getting cardboard and scissors
2018-08-05T05:03:58 < Cracki> or a laser cutter
2018-08-05T05:04:38 < capacitor> zigma
2018-08-05T05:04:52 < Cracki> zigma... balls?
2018-08-05T05:05:58 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/opsiwwT.png
2018-08-05T05:06:28 < bitmask> I think wire, resistors and capacitors are gonna have to be separate
2018-08-05T05:06:36 < bitmask> then I can get most other things in there
2018-08-05T05:06:40 < Cracki> nice drawers
2018-08-05T05:06:45 < bitmask> not bad for $30
2018-08-05T05:09:39 < capacitor> yes separate Cs and Rs
2018-08-05T05:10:02 < capacitor> if they catch stray gammas they might oscillate and explode violently
2018-08-05T05:10:17 < bitmask> my goal is to have a room where all 4 walls are covered in drawers like that :)
2018-08-05T05:10:37 < capacitor> me too but i'd have to crawl through the roof
2018-08-05T05:10:49 < bitmask> I may make an exception for a door
2018-08-05T05:10:57 < bitmask> maybe a crawl way
2018-08-05T05:11:44 < bitmask> ahh I gotta read for school, see ya
2018-08-05T05:12:15 < capacitor> ty
2018-08-05T05:13:41 < bitmask> you're welcome?
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2018-08-05T05:14:24 < capacitor> welcome
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2018-08-05T07:09:27 < jadew> I found drawers like that impractical
2018-08-05T07:09:34 < jadew> tried them, but didn't work for me
2018-08-05T07:09:51 < jadew> I still have a few, for a couple of stuff
2018-08-05T07:10:09 < jadew> screws, connectors, some stray ICs and a couple of other things
2018-08-05T07:10:23 < jadew> but I keep my components grouped on a project basis
2018-08-05T07:10:58 < jadew> also, they're SMD and I want to know the exact PN, so keeping them in the original bag makes more sense to me
2018-08-05T07:15:29 < jadew> so... ikea boxes
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2018-08-05T07:21:56 < bitmask> for general stuff this is working well for me, buttons/switches, leds, crimp connectors, barrel/other power connectors, stuffl ike that, but I think anything more specific is gonna need another system
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2018-08-05T08:15:22 < englishman> hmm, apparently epic games Fortnite will have $2b revenue this year
2018-08-05T08:15:41 < englishman> i guess cliffyB will be adding to his lambo collection
2018-08-05T08:15:45 < englishman> pretty nuts
2018-08-05T08:17:45 < englishman> maybe its time to reinstall jill of the jungle
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2018-08-05T09:18:39 < friendofafriend> englishman: Good call of JotJ.  Great fun.
2018-08-05T09:19:23 < capacitor> cats
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2018-08-05T09:45:08 < englishman> ST SPC56 in the front body controller (12v stuff) of the model 3
2018-08-05T09:45:11 < englishman> guess they are moving away from pic
2018-08-05T09:46:01 < englishman> big mcu for a voltage and current monitor
2018-08-05T09:48:41 < capacitor> hi sir
2018-08-05T10:34:30 < zyp> capacitor, sounds good
2018-08-05T10:35:13 < capacitor> i agree
2018-08-05T10:36:50 < Steffanx> Stvn Kumpel..
2018-08-05T10:37:55 < capacitor> hi sir
2018-08-05T10:40:23 < zyp> jadew, MrMobius, IIRC Peter Madsen got sentenced to «forvaring» or whatever they call it in denmark, which is a sentence that can essentially be renewed indefinitely for as long as he's still considered dangerous
2018-08-05T10:40:59 < zyp> so he's unlikely to get out any time soon
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2018-08-05T10:48:12 < capacitor> wow 
2018-08-05T10:48:18 < capacitor> he did some bad things indeed
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2018-08-05T11:28:56 < capacitor> the tv told me roads are melting in netherlands
2018-08-05T11:29:23 < Sadale> lolwut
2018-08-05T11:29:37 < Sadale> how could the roads be melting?
2018-08-05T11:29:57 < Sadale> Does that mean that it were covered in ice?
2018-08-05T11:30:50 < capacitor> tornado in canada too
2018-08-05T11:32:31 < capacitor> better ask stffn
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2018-08-05T11:39:13 < capacitor> CATS AND DOGS
2018-08-05T11:40:28 < zyp> capacitor, that happened in norway a couple of weeks ago
2018-08-05T11:41:12 < zyp> https://www.nrk.no/trondelag/strakstiltak-pa-fylkesveg-_-asfalten-klistrer-seg-pa-dekkene-i-solsteiken-1.14129646
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2018-08-05T11:49:08 < capacitor> heh, it happened in australia too
2018-08-05T11:49:19 < capacitor> the old aussie summer
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2018-08-05T12:23:23 < Sadale> I can't speak this language :<
2018-08-05T12:24:08 < Sadale> but I get the idea by the pics on the site. Apparently those ice are causing rocks getting stuck onto the tire of the car :P
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2018-08-05T12:31:34 < BrainDamage> in milan you'll see a lot of square holes in the pedestrian areas where the kickstands of the scooters have dug into the cheap asphalt during the hottest days
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2018-08-05T12:40:04 < Steffanx> Idk about melting roads capacitor 
2018-08-05T12:40:18 < Steffanx> Oh i do, but that was a temp. road 
2018-08-05T12:43:48 < capacitor> aussie news is 99.3% exaggerated bs
2018-08-05T12:44:14 < capacitor> apparently donald trump is going to get impeached 4 times each week
2018-08-05T12:44:32 < Steffanx> Sounds like the dutch news.
2018-08-05T12:44:49 < capacitor> surely it can't be as dumb
2018-08-05T12:46:12 < capacitor> new cat?
2018-08-05T12:46:30 < capacitor> wrong channel lol
2018-08-05T13:07:09 < invzim> yawners, MOAR COFFEE
2018-08-05T13:10:34 < capacitor> yip
2018-08-05T13:10:53 < capacitor> i want 100
2018-08-05T13:11:13 < invzim> any of you used single-row female smd headers?
2018-08-05T13:11:31 < capacitor> nope but i sees them here n there
2018-08-05T13:11:38 < invzim> they look a little flimsy
2018-08-05T13:11:49 < capacitor> they do look flimsy
2018-08-05T13:12:07 < capacitor> but seem to work just fine 
2018-08-05T13:12:25 < invzim> https://1436477554.rsc.cdn77.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/096-OLEDs.jpg
2018-08-05T13:12:41 < invzim> need to find away to mount the SPI(7 pin) version of these without going insane
2018-08-05T13:13:21 < invzim> may use dual row for ease
2018-08-05T13:13:40 < capacitor> you needn't go insane
2018-08-05T13:15:39 < invzim> I want somthing with SMD, but also holes in the board so the pins will go through purely for mechanical/height
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2018-08-05T13:21:09 < capacitor> if yer concerned just use through hole parts and be happy
2018-08-05T13:30:39 < karlp> invzim: smd pin headers, but dual row so it's nominally stable, and then _use a properly designed case_ ?
2018-08-05T13:30:55 < karlp> or the standoffs it has the holes for?
2018-08-05T13:32:39 < zyp> I don't think single row female smt headers would be a problem
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2018-08-05T13:33:40 < zyp> in my experience, the metal contacts of female headers are so thin that they bend with much less force than what's required to rip off the pad, so the entire header will rather flex a little bit rather than come off if you bump it
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2018-08-05T13:46:47 < invzim> maybe I should add standoffs
2018-08-05T13:47:04 < invzim> the weight of the part is very low, so current version with just pth soldering straight to PCB works fine
2018-08-05T13:49:00 < jadew> zyp, ah, that makes more sense
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2018-08-05T16:37:09 < catphish> i'm considering using 6 PWM outputs, but only 3 of them will ever be active at once, the other 3 will be 100% or 0%, it doesn't look like any one timer can support 6 PWM outputs, so am i better off using 2 or 3 timers, constantly switching port modes between PWM and GPIO, or is there some other magic i can use?
2018-08-05T16:40:06 < catphish> i can probably spare 3 times and just do 2 PWM outputs on each
2018-08-05T16:47:33 < srk> maybe HRTIM on stm32f334
2018-08-05T16:49:52 < Steffanx> stm32 doesnt prevent you from doing a 0% or 100% duty cycle on a channel right?
2018-08-05T16:51:27 < catphish> actually i'm not certain, one might be impossible]
2018-08-05T16:52:54 < catphish> anyway, it's not too important, it's probably not a route i need to take
2018-08-05T17:02:26 < zyp> I would just use six channels across whatever two timers are convenient, keep them all in pwm mode and just leave them at 0% or 100% whenever you want that
2018-08-05T17:02:35 < Steffanx> ^
2018-08-05T17:03:13 < zyp> both 0% and 100% are perfectly valid states
2018-08-05T17:06:04 < zyp> as long as you have ARR set less than max
2018-08-05T17:06:46 < zyp> if you have ARR set to 0xffff on a 16-bit timer the closest you get to 100% is 99.998%
2018-08-05T17:06:59 < emeryth> there is also a force output option for each channel
2018-08-05T17:07:12 < jpa-> the problem description sounds somewhat like BLDC motor control or similar, in which case the complementary outputs on TIM1 can do that quite fine
2018-08-05T17:07:58 < jpa-> but that requires a specific pattern between which outputs will be active or not
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2018-08-05T17:31:55 < Cracki> you need a twitter for your shitposting, blax
2018-08-05T17:32:16 < Cracki> (not linked to any real name, mind you)
2018-08-05T17:33:09 < Steffanx> isnt there ##stm32-offtopic
2018-08-05T17:41:02 < Laurenceb__> Cracki: twitter is annoying
2018-08-05T17:41:12 < Laurenceb__> I cant seem to sign up with tor
2018-08-05T17:41:20 < Laurenceb__> no shitposting 4 me :(
2018-08-05T17:43:36 < Laurenceb__> but celebrity scum need trolling hard
2018-08-05T18:01:42 < Steffanx> You can also get your gui done, Laurenceb__  :D
2018-08-05T18:01:51 < Steffanx> Just one of my random ideas.
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2018-08-05T18:38:52 < catphish> zyp: ideal, thanks
2018-08-05T18:40:49 < catphish> spent most of the weekend trying to device whether it's a better idea to use an enourmous battery, or a boost converter, or an array of boost converters to achieve the voltages my motors want
2018-08-05T18:41:13 < BrainDamage> or use motors + generators as voltage converters
2018-08-05T18:42:40 < catphish> cool, but i don't think i'll do that
2018-08-05T18:43:03 < mawk> try to make up metrics
2018-08-05T18:43:11 < mawk> like weight divided by conversion efficiency
2018-08-05T18:43:13 < mawk> and figure out the best one
2018-08-05T18:43:46 < catphish> to be honest, the decision is currently 100% between safety and actually making it work
2018-08-05T18:43:54 < mawk> I see
2018-08-05T18:44:06 < catphish> larger battery seems more dangerous, but boost converter is less likely to work properly
2018-08-05T18:46:56 < Laurenceb__> eestor
2018-08-05T18:47:23 < catphish> battery is kinda winning, just needs some mechanical work to mount  / connect them up safely, and some high voltage fuses
2018-08-05T18:47:32 < Laurenceb__> steorn orbo
2018-08-05T18:48:52 < mawk> Laurenceb__: if you're lucky you can find a non-referenced tor exit node
2018-08-05T18:49:01 < mawk> but you'll have to HUP the tor daemon 50 times before finding one
2018-08-05T18:49:05 < mawk> better pay for a vpn or something
2018-08-05T18:49:52 < mawk> but you'll still need a phone number to verify the account
2018-08-05T18:52:32 < Cracki> not sure... last time i created a twitter acc, it didn't ask for a phone number, just wanted me to solve a few captchas
2018-08-05T18:52:52 < mawk> yeah if you're not shitposting
2018-08-05T18:52:54 < mawk> it's fine
2018-08-05T18:53:14 < mawk> but for the exact purpose Laurenceb__ wants to use twitter, you need a phone number
2018-08-05T18:53:22 < englishman> is there some other kind of content on twitter
2018-08-05T18:53:23 < mawk> e.g. messaging celebrities and stuff
2018-08-05T18:53:25 < englishman> than shitposting
2018-08-05T18:53:42 < mawk> otherwise your account gets suspended very quickly until your verify it
2018-08-05T19:02:14 < catphish> oo this guy has built exactly what i need https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PRdA_fjXbI
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2018-08-05T19:04:04 < catphish> i just need to find a way to buy those transformers
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2018-08-05T19:26:13 < bitmask> benchy printing time
2018-08-05T19:48:59 < Laurenceb__> no no no, you dont get to talk to the special people
2018-08-05T19:57:55 < Laurenceb__> no wonder the media like twitter
2018-08-05T20:07:27 < Cracki> you don't talk to them of course, you *educate the audience*
2018-08-05T20:07:59 < Cracki> btw, QFD shadowban can be removed if you follow a few autofollowback accs
2018-08-05T20:11:05 < Steffanx> Makes me wonder why Cracki knows that. Troll as well?
2018-08-05T20:11:34 < Cracki> that word is an insult
2018-08-05T20:12:03 < Cracki> there is no "troll" identity. it's at most an activity.
2018-08-05T20:12:15 < Cracki> "troll" is an insult.
2018-08-05T20:12:32 < Steffanx> <Laurenceb__> but celebrity scum need trolling hard
2018-08-05T20:12:36 < Steffanx> ^ troll.
2018-08-05T20:12:47 < Cracki> you don't listen.
2018-08-05T20:13:14 < Steffanx> I do, i just disagree.
2018-08-05T20:13:33 < Cracki> can't help you there
2018-08-05T20:13:44 < Steffanx> When you're so into the troll activity you ARE a troll.
2018-08-05T20:14:17 < Cracki> and you think that's bad somehow?
2018-08-05T20:14:38 < Steffanx> It's kinda silly.
2018-08-05T20:15:13 < Cracki> ah, so _being_ a troll is "silly", and that is justification for all kinds of actions against trolls
2018-08-05T20:15:40 < Cracki> and who "is" a troll is not decided by yourself but by the people labeling you
2018-08-05T20:15:58 < Cracki> perhaps I misunderstand
2018-08-05T20:16:47 < Cracki> I know the pattern. I've been called faggot in school often enough... and I know what comes next
2018-08-05T20:16:50 < Steffanx> "but celebrity scum need trolling hard" <= self-classified troll.
2018-08-05T20:18:05 < Cracki> by your logic, someone who shits is a shitter
2018-08-05T20:20:25 < tomeaton17> I don't think being involved in a group makes you a part of that group. Take journalists for example
2018-08-05T20:20:39 < Steffanx> Sure. But whatever Cracki. Its nothing new he is a troll and im pretty sure i can find something in the logs about him confirming that.
2018-08-05T20:21:19 < Cracki> you need to understand what causes trolling
2018-08-05T20:21:28 < Cracki> otherwise you become don quixote
2018-08-05T20:21:51 < Steffanx> Mental illness?
2018-08-05T20:22:03 < Cracki> pathologizing other people now?
2018-08-05T20:22:12 < Cracki> wew
2018-08-05T20:22:29 < Steffanx> lolyou. 
2018-08-05T20:22:53 < Steffanx> Oh i forgot this isnt my troll account, im sorry Cracki.
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2018-08-05T20:27:50 < bitmask> o/
2018-08-05T20:28:02 < Cracki> how does the benchy look
2018-08-05T20:28:52 < bitmask> still about 40 min left, the overhangs look better than I thought, I guess the duct works well enough. but I think I need to work on the frame, I need a better look at it when it finishes
2018-08-05T20:29:15 < Cracki> duct? for cooling?
2018-08-05T20:30:03 < bitmask> yea
2018-08-05T20:30:14 < srk> with ducted fan?
2018-08-05T20:30:19 < bitmask> blows right below the nozzle
2018-08-05T20:30:46 < Cracki> cooling was always the problem with that ultimaker 2 I used to use... they shouldn't have designed it asymmetrical
2018-08-05T20:30:56 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/iJ2iRTG.png
2018-08-05T20:31:06 < bitmask> I don't know why they put an arrow on it but that guy
2018-08-05T20:32:25 < Steffanx> To make it look nice :P
2018-08-05T20:32:38 < bitmask> to tell the air which way to travel 
2018-08-05T20:32:39 < bitmask> :)
2018-08-05T20:32:44 < Steffanx> and that.
2018-08-05T20:33:01 < Steffanx> Happy with your bltoch?
2018-08-05T20:33:03 < Steffanx> touch
2018-08-05T20:33:11 < bitmask> yea I really like it
2018-08-05T20:35:14 < bitmask> aside from consistent starting heights and being able to use mesh bed leveling, just having something that stows away is great because I don't have to worry about the nozzle depositing a blob of plastic at the center of the bed when homing.  Now I can press print and walk away, I don't need to sit there and clean up after the nozzle
2018-08-05T20:35:33 < Laurenceb__> lul the trolls have found #highaltitude
2018-08-05T20:36:11 < Steffanx> Cracki teach that Laurenceb__ some manners.
2018-08-05T20:36:15 < Steffanx> "trolls".
2018-08-05T20:36:42 < bitmask> Laurenceb__ is a troll
2018-08-05T20:36:42 < Cracki> you are one to speak, you called me a troll
2018-08-05T20:37:00 < Steffanx> And you still "hate" me for doing that.
2018-08-05T20:37:12 < Cracki> it's disingenious and divisive
2018-08-05T20:37:22 < Cracki> you meant to provoke a reaction
2018-08-05T20:38:00 < bitmask> 3 more weeks of school, I gotta get my ass in gear
2018-08-05T20:38:39 < Steffanx> Cracki: When i called him a troll? No that was what i meant to say. Now im doing that. Yes, just to show you even a troll calls other a trolls.
2018-08-05T20:39:02 < Cracki> no, when you asked me "Troll as well?"
2018-08-05T20:39:02 < Steffanx> What happens after school bitmask?
2018-08-05T20:39:11 < bitmask> I take a month off and then find a job
2018-08-05T20:39:26 < Steffanx> You know it was a question Cracki?
2018-08-05T20:39:33 < Cracki> you know what a suggestive question is?
2018-08-05T20:39:41 < Cracki> don't pretend. it's silly.
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2018-08-05T20:40:06 < Cracki> by continuing to highlight me in provocative messages, you intend to rile me up
2018-08-05T20:40:18 < Steffanx> Wahtever, ##st32 is probably the right place for this.
2018-08-05T20:40:22 < Steffanx> *stm32
2018-08-05T20:41:38 < Laurenceb__>  #ShitTrollMicropenis32nanometerslong
2018-08-05T20:41:51 < Laurenceb__> moar liek
2018-08-05T20:42:26 < Laurenceb__> trolls need to relocate to twitter
2018-08-05T20:44:02 < tomeaton17> Twitter has an abundance of sjws just asking to be trolled
2018-08-05T20:47:54 < Cracki> ^
2018-08-05T20:48:53 < Laurenceb__> but ur going to prison unless u use tor
2018-08-05T20:49:28 < tomeaton17> If you are from UK..
2018-08-05T20:49:56 < tomeaton17> But I don't want to appear to have too much knowledge about trolling because that makes me a troll :p
2018-08-05T20:51:53 < Cracki> ;)
2018-08-05T20:51:59 < Cracki> you are alright
2018-08-05T21:11:04 < bitmask> grrrr what the fuck
2018-08-05T21:11:17 < bitmask> layer shift on my benchy
2018-08-05T21:11:37 < Cracki> howww
2018-08-05T21:11:46 < bitmask> no idea...
2018-08-05T21:11:49 < Cracki> all the pulley screws tightened?
2018-08-05T21:11:58 < Cracki> steppers get too little current?
2018-08-05T21:12:01 < bitmask> should be but I'll check when its finished
2018-08-05T21:12:06 < bitmask> dont think so
2018-08-05T21:12:07 < Cracki> can you estimate the shift and calculate back to stepper steps?
2018-08-05T21:12:15 < Cracki> single shift or multiple?
2018-08-05T21:12:19 < bitmask> single
2018-08-05T21:12:38 < Cracki> it hasn't moved on the surface, eh?
2018-08-05T21:13:05 < bitmask> maybe I set my acceleration a bit too high
2018-08-05T21:13:30 < bitmask> the top flat part of the benchy (the roof) shifted a couple mm in the Y axis
2018-08-05T21:14:12 < Cracki> do like the crash test people, use high speed cams and record everything
2018-08-05T21:15:10 < Steffanx> How fast are you printing bitmask?
2018-08-05T21:15:17 < bitmask> only 60
2018-08-05T21:15:36 < Steffanx> You did 100mm/s before right?
2018-08-05T21:15:58 < bitmask> no but ive done 80 
2018-08-05T21:16:56 < bitmask> i'll lower my acceleration, I just updated marlin so maybe I set it higher than I had before
2018-08-05T21:22:32 < Steffanx> You didnt even mess with the Y-axis while messing with your new aero i assume?
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2018-08-05T21:24:29 < bitmask> I replaced the bed
2018-08-05T21:24:58 < bitmask> but I dont think thats it, seems solid
2018-08-05T21:25:03 < Steffanx> oh, ok. You changed quite a lot parameters then. Makes it a little harder to pin point the problem.
2018-08-05T21:25:10 < bitmask> yea
2018-08-05T21:25:17 < bitmask> its like a new printer
2018-08-05T21:26:51 < bitmask> maybe I'll just print it again and see what happens
2018-08-05T21:28:07 < Steffanx> If your new bad is heavier than the old one and the motor current was just enough for the old one, it can also be the reason it skips steps now.
2018-08-05T21:28:16 < Steffanx> (if it does that)
2018-08-05T21:28:40 < Steffanx> *bed
2018-08-05T21:29:04 < bitmask> same exact bed
2018-08-05T21:29:26 < Steffanx> heh ok :P
2018-08-05T21:29:30 < bitmask> I just messed up the old one prying prints off like a noob
2018-08-05T21:29:42 < Steffanx> Didnt you go for ikea mirrors?
2018-08-05T21:29:44 < bitmask> scratches dents and bent
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2018-08-05T21:29:53 < bitmask> boro glass
2018-08-05T21:30:02 < bitmask> but thats light enough
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2018-08-05T21:32:08 < jadew> first african in space: https://amsat-uk.org/about/history/first-african-in-space/
2018-08-05T21:35:55 < Steffanx> You know i can post something similar about the first and only romanian in space uh jadew :P
2018-08-05T21:37:51 < Cracki> jadew, .......
2018-08-05T21:38:37 < Cracki> the first romanian in space looks plausibly romanian
2018-08-05T21:38:56 < jadew> also, Romania is much smaller than africa :P
2018-08-05T21:39:39 < Cracki> so much arable land!
2018-08-05T21:42:08 < Steffanx> I didnt know there are actually 1.2billion people in africa
2018-08-05T21:50:24 < jadew> 6 million of them being white
2018-08-05T21:51:18 < Steffanx> mostly in south africa , and probably mainly with dutchish names.
2018-08-05T21:51:26 < Steffanx> although i might be wrong.
2018-08-05T21:52:06 < Steffanx> I actually had to google that name. ubuntu it was.
2018-08-05T21:53:20 < jadew> yeah, apparently he has something to do with ubuntu
2018-08-05T21:53:35 < jadew> probably how he had the money to go to space
2018-08-05T21:54:04 < Steffanx> no, ubuntu was after that
2018-08-05T21:54:43 < jadew> how did he get rich? does it say?
2018-08-05T21:54:57 < jadew> *got
2018-08-05T21:55:05 < jadew> get?
2018-08-05T21:55:06 < Steffanx> Want me to quote wikipedia or .. ? 
2018-08-05T21:55:07 < jadew> get
2018-08-05T21:55:14 < Steffanx> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth#work
2018-08-05T21:55:15 < jadew> ah, I thought you're reading something else
2018-08-05T21:56:06 < jadew> he got rich by selling SSL certificates...
2018-08-05T21:56:23 < jpa-> ubuntu was the way he got poor
2018-08-05T21:56:35 < jadew> haha
2018-08-05T21:57:14 < Steffanx> I would say by selling the company he had, but .. ok that is related to what you siad jadew.
2018-08-05T21:58:25 < jpa-> Tectu would have sold ugfx, but Musk didn't have enough money to buy it
2018-08-05T21:58:55 < Steffanx> I know a guy that gives away his nice code for free, isnt that sad jpa-?
2018-08-05T21:59:02 < jadew> Steffanx, it was probably making him hundreds 10s of millions anually
2018-08-05T21:59:48 < jadew> s/hundreds/
2018-08-05T21:59:56 < jadew> /
2018-08-05T22:00:05 < jpa-> Steffanx: no, i don't really see it that way - though i do feel bad for selling bad code sometimes :P
2018-08-05T22:00:15 < jadew> I thought the 3.5 billions where USD, but it was "only" 800 million in USD
2018-08-05T22:02:13 < Steffanx> Was SSL already that hot in 1999? I can't even remember 1999.
2018-08-05T22:02:28 < jadew> Steffanx, good question, I don't think it was
2018-08-05T22:02:29 < jpa-> everything internet-related was hot in 1999
2018-08-05T22:02:33 < jadew> but it was probably expensive
2018-08-05T22:03:25 < Steffanx> Yes, i miss the mouse following things jpa-
2018-08-05T22:03:46 < Steffanx> As well as the snow falling down, the fancy page transitions etc.
2018-08-05T22:04:19 < jadew> makes you appreciate the web 2.0 crap
2018-08-05T22:04:41 < jpa-> geocities sold for $4 billion and never made a penny in income
2018-08-05T22:05:00 < branjb> why would you pay $4 billion for geocities?
2018-08-05T22:05:04 < tomeaton17> what about marquee
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2018-08-05T22:05:38 < Steffanx> marquee and blink :)
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2018-08-05T22:25:02 < Laurenceb__> as opposed to javascript cancer its all good
2018-08-05T22:26:24 < capacitor> Free node
2018-08-05T22:26:27 < Steffanx> Do you actually browse the web a noscript plugin Laurenceb__?
2018-08-05T22:26:47 < Laurenceb__> sometimes
2018-08-05T22:27:13 < bitmask> theres nothing wrong with js, some people do shitty things with it but the web would suck without it
2018-08-05T22:27:27 < Steffanx> i loved this colleague that would rage on daily base about website not working properly due to his noscript addon
2018-08-05T22:27:35 < Steffanx> *websites
2018-08-05T22:27:42 < capacitor> True
2018-08-05T22:27:53 < capacitor> The eager
2018-08-05T22:27:56 < bitmask> people just like to bitch
2018-08-05T22:27:57 < capacitor> Rager
2018-08-05T22:28:01 < bitmask> bitch bitch bitch
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2018-08-05T22:33:23 < Steffanx> Especially on irc, yes.
2018-08-05T22:34:15 < capacitor> Welcome
2018-08-05T22:35:17 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: haven't you seen stupid websites that eat RAM like hell because of their shitty scripts?..
2018-08-05T22:35:47 < Steffanx> To be honest, not really. But i hardly look ever at ram use
2018-08-05T22:35:55 < bitmask> That isn't JS, thats people's shitty use of it
2018-08-05T22:36:32 < Steffanx> 10/16G. Where at least 20% is firefox
2018-08-05T22:36:33 < PaulFertser> bitmask: yes, but it's not reasonable to run random shit from the internet, even on a VM, hence noscript.
2018-08-05T22:37:01 < capacitor> Yeah the dogs
2018-08-05T22:37:29 < capacitor> 16giggers for web browsing
2018-08-05T22:38:59 < Steffanx> that includes running altium and solidworks, pdfs and some game Cracki
2018-08-05T22:39:01 < Steffanx> *capacitor
2018-08-05T22:40:15 < bitmask> I should stop installing anything written in C and java and whatever else because viruses can be written in those languages
2018-08-05T22:40:48 < Steffanx> Nah bitmask. That's not entirely fair.
2018-08-05T22:41:09 < bitmask> not entirely, no, but its not THAT far off
2018-08-05T22:41:49 < Cracki> a what now
2018-08-05T22:43:09 < bitmask> ehh I'm just in a bad mood, i'l take my sourness with me and go do schoolwork
2018-08-05T22:43:16 < Steffanx> Im not so sure. Some app from a trusted source is less likely to be infected, then a website with a shitload of random ads.
2018-08-05T22:43:28 < Steffanx> but i assume you do block those.
2018-08-05T22:43:40 < Steffanx> Nothing Cracki, it was meant for capacitor.
2018-08-05T22:43:48 < bitmask> well thats kinda my point, you don't go to shitty websites just as you dont install app from sketchy sources
2018-08-05T22:43:51 < Cracki> I realized on the next line
2018-08-05T22:44:25 < Cracki> js is actually not too bad
2018-08-05T22:44:41 < Cracki> I just have to laugh when someone prefers js over python
2018-08-05T22:44:59 < Cracki> I can see why, but... srsly
2018-08-05T22:45:36 < Steffanx> "shitty" is that with or without ads, because lately often the ad servers are the ones serving the crap, bitmask
2018-08-05T22:45:49 < Steffanx> And you'll find those everywhere.
2018-08-05T22:47:11 < bitmask> well adblock is one thing, I'm not against that although some sites wont load with it enabled. Sites that you pay for in order to have ad-free viewing are more comparable to apps you pay for
2018-08-05T22:47:43 < bitmask> but JS itself I don't find to blame
2018-08-05T22:48:04 < Steffanx> i dont hate js either.
2018-08-05T22:51:12 < Steffanx> Does that always apply for something server side that involves (mainly node) js, Cracki?
2018-08-05T22:51:40 < Steffanx> I must say i did some angular[whatever version] with nodejs and i like how easy it was to get stuff up and running. It was nothing serious though.
2018-08-05T22:54:24 < Cracki> science fiction spoils you. I have seen a possible reality where you can use any library with any language, and you can mix features from different languages easily
2018-08-05T22:54:45 < Cracki> so... python with braces and proper lambdas
2018-08-05T22:57:11 < Steffanx> hmm
2018-08-05T22:58:33 < Steffanx> Some would say that's a good future.
2018-08-05T23:00:42 < Cracki> didn't say future
2018-08-05T23:01:58 < Steffanx> Yeah, reality.
2018-08-05T23:02:40 < Cracki> I doubt this will ever happen
2018-08-05T23:02:57 < Cracki> not while we monkey around with keyboards
2018-08-05T23:06:06 < Steffanx> I'd like to know about some alternative that doesn't require some needle/probe in my head.
2018-08-05T23:07:56 < Steffanx> Or perhaps we should eliminate ourselves entirely from the equation.
2018-08-05T23:07:58 < BrainDamage> bitmask: except that ad networks are the #1 malware vector route
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2018-08-06T01:08:37 < invzim> he, saw a youtube video on iphoneX repair - makes me feel very much like an arduino maker
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2018-08-06T01:26:53 < capacitor> The phone
2018-08-06T01:28:06 < capacitor> Apparently ppl on irc think I’m racist
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2018-08-06T01:53:24 < Laurenceb__> why are there so many retards on the internets
2018-08-06T01:54:23 < Laurenceb__> I thought this forum would be worth reading... http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/index.php
2018-08-06T01:54:25 < Laurenceb__> bad idea
2018-08-06T01:56:03 < Laurenceb__> bad ideas.mp4
2018-08-06T01:56:43 < Laurenceb__> demi lardner intensifies
2018-08-06T02:08:29 < tomeaton17> capacitor, people thought I was racist because I expressed my discontent about the black taxi cab driver strikes in London haha
2018-08-06T02:13:50 < catphish> tomeaton17: i'd be annoyed too if black drivers of cabs went on strike :)
2018-08-06T02:15:08 < tomeaton17> I must admit, if you didn't know about the black taxi cabs my statement could have been seen as racist
2018-08-06T02:15:13 < tomeaton17> catphish, :p
2018-08-06T02:15:27 < catphish> lol
2018-08-06T02:24:34 < englishman> why do they have to be black
2018-08-06T02:24:36 < englishman> racist.
2018-08-06T02:25:01 < englishman> yellow taxis matter.
2018-08-06T02:25:42 < tomeaton17> I have never seen a yellow hackney carriage
2018-08-06T02:28:52 < Laurenceb__> >uk taxi drivers
2018-08-06T02:28:54 < Laurenceb__> >black
2018-08-06T02:28:56 < Laurenceb__> nope
2018-08-06T02:29:06 < Laurenceb__> literally never seen a black taxi driver
2018-08-06T02:30:06 < Laurenceb__> no more chucklevision :(
2018-08-06T02:32:45 < Laurenceb__> kek https://imgoat.com/uploads/fc3d7152ba/132546.png
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2018-08-06T06:06:01 < jadew> anyone else using this? https://lbry.io/
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2018-08-06T13:38:42 < Steffanx> lol what jadew "LBRY is a free, open, and community-run digital marketplace."
2018-08-06T13:39:04 < Steffanx> "The LBRY App allows you to view free and paid content, upload your digital media for free or at a set price, ".
2018-08-06T13:39:07 < Steffanx> What is it now?
2018-08-06T13:39:26 < capacitor> hii
2018-08-06T13:39:30 < Steffanx> loo
2018-08-06T13:41:15 < Steffanx> oh now i understand. The market place is free, but not for free stuff. Makes sense.
2018-08-06T13:41:56 < Steffanx> *not for just free stuff.
2018-08-06T13:42:18 < Haohmaru> can i upload a virus?
2018-08-06T13:42:29 < Haohmaru> will there be ads in there?
2018-08-06T13:46:45 < capacitor> yea
2018-08-06T13:47:09 < capacitor> upload the whole everything
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2018-08-06T15:10:13 < jadew> Steffanx, apparently it's some sort of library and they say they have some online courses that were removed from youtube
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2018-08-06T15:30:06 < Steffanx> What kind of content are you referring to jadew?
2018-08-06T15:30:25 < jadew> UC Berkeley courses
2018-08-06T15:30:58 < jadew> they had to remove all of their videos because 2 people with hearing disability wanted subtitles
2018-08-06T15:31:04 < Steffanx> lol
2018-08-06T15:31:13 < jadew> I'm serious
2018-08-06T15:31:49 < Rickta59> and this is why we can't have nice things ...
2018-08-06T15:34:29 < Steffanx> Those two perhaps triggered it, but the main reason is your "Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990" i would say.
2018-08-06T15:34:57 < jadew> yeah
2018-08-06T15:35:43 < tomeaton17> does youtubes automatically generated captions count?
2018-08-06T15:35:55 < Rickta59> yeah i guess they complained it wasn't accurate
2018-08-06T15:36:05 < jadew> probably
2018-08-06T15:43:22 < Steffanx> There will always be people complaining.
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2018-08-06T15:45:45 < jadew> I wonder if those two guys felt proud of themselves afterwards
2018-08-06T15:47:05 < Steffanx> probably not. 
2018-08-06T15:47:17 < Steffanx> i hope not. :P
2018-08-06T15:48:43 < Laurenceb__> >when its so hot ur clothes stick to you and you cant get them off
2018-08-06T15:48:44 < Laurenceb__> reeee
2018-08-06T15:49:19 < Steffanx> !wz nottingham
2018-08-06T15:49:21 < englishbot> [Nottingham, United Kingdom] Scattered Clouds. Temp is 25.6°C. West wind: 1.6 kph. Humidity: 63%.
2018-08-06T15:49:26 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-08-06T15:49:28 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 29.9°C.
2018-08-06T15:49:39 < jadew> !wz bucharest
2018-08-06T15:49:40 < englishbot> [Bucharest, Romania] Clear. Temp is 30.3°C. WNW wind: 2.1 kph. Humidity: 55%.
2018-08-06T15:49:44 < jadew> I win
2018-08-06T15:50:10 < tomeaton17> !wz southampton
2018-08-06T15:50:11 < englishbot> [Southampton, United Kingdom] Clear. Temp is 26°C. Variable wind: 6 kph.
2018-08-06T15:50:57 < kakimir> !wz oulu
2018-08-06T15:50:59 < englishbot> [Oulu, Finland] Rain. Temp is 15.6°C. Humidity: 92%.
2018-08-06T15:51:15 < kakimir> back to work
2018-08-06T15:51:40 < Steffanx> Hehe, what happened in finland? 
2018-08-06T15:51:45 < Steffanx> Temp*0.5 ?
2018-08-06T15:51:57 < jadew> heh
2018-08-06T15:52:18 < jadew> winter is coming
2018-08-06T15:53:22 < kakimir> winter is coming
2018-08-06T15:53:29 < kakimir> summer - done
2018-08-06T15:54:01 < Haohmaru> global warming's gonna "fix" that :/
2018-08-06T15:54:39 < kakimir> I think I will plant some palmtrees next summer
2018-08-06T15:57:22 < Laurenceb__> Finland is ok
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2018-08-06T15:58:11 < jadew> if you search for Finland, the first result on google images is this: https://www.visitfinland.com/app/uploads/Aurora-boys-400x300.jpg
2018-08-06T15:58:40 < jpa-> yeah, that's from the last ##stm32 meetup
2018-08-06T15:58:47 < jadew> haha
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2018-08-06T16:12:56 < mawk> chatterton tape is generally lame to be wrapped around small-diameter wire or I've got a crappy roll ?
2018-08-06T16:13:07 < mawk> after a few days it starts unwrapping
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2018-08-06T16:15:15 < jpa-> the ones i've used have been crappy for any purpose
2018-08-06T16:21:40 < englishman> time to upgrade to kapton
2018-08-06T16:21:49 < englishman> literally space age material
2018-08-06T16:22:23 < jpa-> the glue surface is still just glue, and won't stick any better
2018-08-06T16:24:13 < Haohmaru> i used to have some old electrical tape that was like some black fabric
2018-08-06T16:24:41 < Haohmaru> i think it was pretty gud in terms of not unsticking by itself
2018-08-06T16:28:09 < englishman> jpa knows not the ways of kapton
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2018-08-06T16:30:01 < jpa-> englishman: please educate me
2018-08-06T16:30:14 < englishman> 1) buy kapton
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2018-08-06T16:48:32 < Steffanx> heh
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2018-08-06T17:28:45 < con3> I can't seem to program the damn chip anymore, stlink wont connect
2018-08-06T17:29:31 < Haohmaru> did a "little accident" happen?
2018-08-06T17:31:08 < con3> I programmed it left and came back, nothing shorted, etc. it just seems to not allow the connection
2018-08-06T17:31:31 < con3> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2018-08-06T17:31:43 < Haohmaru> programmer <-> computer works? but programmer <-> chip doesn't?
2018-08-06T17:32:16 < con3> yes, I can connect to the link but not the chip
2018-08-06T17:32:35 < Haohmaru> you checked cables, power, settings, etc..?
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2018-08-06T17:33:07 < Steffanx> If windows: rebooted?
2018-08-06T17:34:05 < con3> yep,power,cables,etc seem fine.
2018-08-06T17:34:11 < con3> busy debugging though
2018-08-06T17:34:16 < con3> so will let you know
2018-08-06T17:34:37 < con3> Steffanx: Asking if I rebooted windows? I haven't, worth a try 
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2018-08-06T17:41:06 < con3> the link says that it failed to halt the cpu..fuck..
2018-08-06T17:41:51 < karlp> do you have reset connected?
2018-08-06T17:42:48 < con3> sadly when I set up the link I asked on a forum and was told it wasn't needed. I realize now I messed up bad
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2018-08-06T18:38:58 < englishman> sent a fuckoff-i-dont-want-this-work priced quote on this project with 100 bom lines
2018-08-06T18:39:01 < englishman> they might take it -_-
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2018-08-06T18:57:55 < Steffanx> Lol
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2018-08-06T19:37:39 < tpw_rules> is there anything that could make the stm32 eeprom become write protected aside from the bit in the FLASH register
2018-08-06T19:40:10 < Thorn> in my experience debuggers can complain about that when the jtag/swd connection is bad, the target is half-cooked from an earlier overvoltage, etc.
2018-08-06T19:41:00 < tpw_rules> i'm staring at this code and after half an hour of spamming data to the eeprom it suddenly seems to become write protected
2018-08-06T19:58:41 < englishman> flash or eeprom?
2018-08-06T20:05:58 < tpw_rules> eeprom
2018-08-06T20:06:14 < tpw_rules> like there's the whole write a key to unlock eeprom writing, which the software does
2018-08-06T20:06:17 < tpw_rules> then re-locks when it's done
2018-08-06T20:06:46 < tpw_rules> and an incorrect unlock sequence would crash the application. but it just seems to kinda not be getting written correctly
2018-08-06T20:07:36 < tpw_rules> note there's not a particularly high chance that it's the eeprom but maybe there's an errata that spamming 18bytes/sec for an hour will overheat the charge pump or so
2018-08-06T20:19:51 < antto> :/
2018-08-06T20:20:15 < antto> y do they no put fram in them chipz
2018-08-06T20:39:33 < Steffanx> afaik FRAM is more expensive. Im not familiar with the manufacturing processes, but i can imagine it's quite different from the usual flash/eeprom/mcu stuff.
2018-08-06T20:40:38 < zyp> only MCU with FRAM I've seen is that MSP430
2018-08-06T20:41:22 < englishman> zyp: these evse are cool as fuck
2018-08-06T20:41:36 < englishman> you don't need the rfid card to change charging current, you can also shake it
2018-08-06T20:41:52 < zyp> haha
2018-08-06T20:43:07 < englishman> they even delivered a little adapter cable with appropriate UL tag for my country in both languages
2018-08-06T20:43:32 < zyp> adapter?
2018-08-06T20:43:58 < englishman> NEMA14-50 -> NEMA5-15
2018-08-06T20:44:24 < zyp> ah
2018-08-06T20:44:53 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/n1Z76Q1.jpg?1
2018-08-06T20:44:57 < antto> yeah, maybe it's not worth it.. cuz if you need its properties, you could get it as a sepparate IC.. then it'll hopefully survive while the main IC goes ded
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2018-08-06T22:03:47 < Laurenceb__> I wanna go on twitter now reee
2018-08-06T22:04:03 < Cracki> you need a better shitposting channel
2018-08-06T22:04:25 < Laurenceb__> https://imgoat.com/uploads/fc3d7152ba/132746.jpg
2018-08-06T22:04:50 < Laurenceb__> tfw still think polywell is bs
2018-08-06T22:04:52 < Laurenceb__> https://journals.aps.org/prx/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevX.5.021024
2018-08-06T22:05:33 < Cracki> wats polywell
2018-08-06T22:05:56 < Cracki> ah fusion
2018-08-06T22:07:49 < Laurenceb__> that paper is pretty dismal
2018-08-06T22:07:57 < Laurenceb__> perman00b tier analysis
2018-08-06T22:08:14 < Cracki> is this pseudoscience or real? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor
2018-08-06T22:09:14 < Laurenceb__> Fusor "works"
2018-08-06T22:09:22 < Laurenceb__> but doesnt produce net energy
2018-08-06T22:09:40 < Laurenceb__> polywell might work but everyone involved seems to be an ardutard tier perman00b
2018-08-06T22:09:48 < Cracki> heh
2018-08-06T22:09:49 < Laurenceb__> le fusion zano
2018-08-06T22:10:34 < englishman> it makes a glow and is actual fusion and produces neutrons, not much else
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2018-08-06T22:18:19 < Laurenceb__> le fusion glow
2018-08-06T22:21:22 < kakimir> le jesus
2018-08-06T22:22:13 < Laurenceb__> ree the numbers are right there, havent they heard of data analysis
2018-08-06T22:22:44 < Laurenceb__> maybe I should email that Park guy and ask for raw data
2018-08-06T22:22:53 < Laurenceb__> inb4 its Sarah Jeong's dad
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2018-08-06T22:23:50 < englishman> http://connected.arrow.com/save-30percent-en
2018-08-06T22:24:27 < Steffanx> Always makes me wonder what the margins of arrow are.
2018-08-06T22:24:54 < Cracki> new customers
2018-08-06T22:25:06 < Cracki> this is *getting* customers
2018-08-06T22:25:47 < Cracki> also "free" advertisement
2018-08-06T22:26:01 < Laurenceb__> lul infowarz b& from facebook
2018-08-06T22:26:07 < Steffanx> but they often have not too bad discounts or other stuff as well.
2018-08-06T22:26:08 < Laurenceb__> now my brother has nothing to post
2018-08-06T22:28:11 < Steffanx> ARROWs "free" advertisement in ##stm32 is often on the negative side anyway. englishman can tell you all about it.
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2018-08-06T22:40:04 < kakimir> arrow is a pyramid scheme?
2018-08-06T22:45:06 < Cracki> arrow scheme
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2018-08-06T22:55:14 < BrainDamage> fusors are good as toys / teaching aid / fusion experiment on the cheap / neutron source
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2018-08-06T23:11:08 < invzim> aaalriight, utsource CAN deliver original unused parts
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2018-08-06T23:17:18 < Steffanx> quoting something in your spam box or .. what invzim?
2018-08-06T23:23:53 < invzim> nah, just got a shipment today
2018-08-06T23:24:05 < invzim> last time I got refurbished parts, not I got new stuff
2018-08-06T23:24:29 < invzim> think you just have to pay attention that the product has "new & original" specified
2018-08-06T23:25:21 < Steffanx> Why you use those sources?
2018-08-06T23:25:48 < invzim> price & availability
2018-08-06T23:26:12 < Steffanx> Using some obscure parts?
2018-08-06T23:26:49 < invzim> kinda, isl59885
2018-08-06T23:26:57 < capacitor> Lol utsource
2018-08-06T23:26:58 < invzim> sync separator that works with no fuzz
2018-08-06T23:27:17 < Steffanx> i see you made capacitor happy :D
2018-08-06T23:30:35 < zyp> capacitor, I found some stuff for you
2018-08-06T23:30:45 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/l3oJm.jpg
2018-08-06T23:30:57 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/5v4eh.jpg
2018-08-06T23:31:21 < Steffanx> stroopwafelijs heh.
2018-08-06T23:31:33 < zyp> it was pretty good
2018-08-06T23:31:33 < Steffanx> Did you like the Kanjers or did your wife take em, zyp?
2018-08-06T23:31:40 < zyp> yeah
2018-08-06T23:31:55 < Steffanx> Yeah as in like or yeah as in wife took them
2018-08-06T23:32:03 < zyp> like
2018-08-06T23:32:08 < Steffanx> good :)
2018-08-06T23:32:35 < zyp> they're gonna last a while, I found out that one is quite enough for a day :p
2018-08-06T23:32:36 < Steffanx> Im tempted to send capacitor some new ones, together with a pair of https://www.klompen.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/500x500/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/b/r/bruine_bies_groot_1.png
2018-08-06T23:32:52 < capacitor> Ty
2018-08-06T23:33:48 < BrainDamage> I like how limoncello becomes limoncellow
2018-08-06T23:34:36 < Steffanx> sounds more italian.
2018-08-06T23:34:49 < capacitor> I should wear them
2018-08-06T23:35:08 < capacitor> Part of my immigration to steffan land
2018-08-06T23:35:26 < Steffanx> You would die of diabetus, better not do that.
2018-08-06T23:36:07 < capacitor> Ty
2018-08-06T23:36:28 < capacitor> It’d be a fun experience
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2018-08-07T01:36:25 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/ecMtEEc
2018-08-07T01:36:43 < bitmask> no layer shift, I wanna try a slight increase in retraction to get red of the snot
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2018-08-07T01:59:51 < Cracki> >red of the snot
2018-08-07T02:01:12 < Cracki> roof looks nice
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2018-08-07T02:11:41 < Laurenceb__> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45085674
2018-08-07T02:11:46 < Laurenceb__> >illegal cream
2018-08-07T02:13:39 < Cracki> if they want to be white, let them
2018-08-07T02:13:44 < Cracki> can't change bone structure
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2018-08-07T02:59:29 < Laurenceb__> holy shit
2018-08-07T02:59:35 < Laurenceb__> peterstein is on bbc news
2018-08-07T02:59:40 < Laurenceb__> damn this guy is good
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2018-08-07T02:59:56 < Laurenceb__> mad debating skillz
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2018-08-07T03:32:07 < Cracki> clean your room dude?
2018-08-07T03:35:23 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/ZoU18Ee.png
2018-08-07T03:35:25 < bitmask> curved surface coming out nicely
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2018-08-07T04:49:15 < englishman> pulling 15.2A from a 15A mains circuit
2018-08-07T04:49:22 < englishman> #anarchy
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2018-08-07T06:37:15 < Thorn> Merah Putih Mission https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjfQNBYv2IY
2018-08-07T06:39:56 < jadew> what's a good/easy to listen to youtube channel?
2018-08-07T06:40:51 < jadew> I need something for coding and I'm out of TV shows
2018-08-07T06:41:49 < Thorn> good https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFipeZtQM5CKUjx6grh54g
2018-08-07T06:41:54 < Thorn> dunno about easy lol
2018-08-07T06:42:07 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEszlI8-W79IsU8LSAiRbDg
2018-08-07T06:42:38 < jadew> checking
2018-08-07T06:43:30 < jadew> looks ok
2018-08-07T06:43:45 < jadew> thanks
2018-08-07T06:43:55 < jadew> reminds me of the outer limits
2018-08-07T07:24:30 < Cracki> jadew, would have recommended infowars but it's neither easy to listen to nor... still available *g*
2018-08-07T07:26:30 < jadew> got removed from youtube?
2018-08-07T07:26:37 < Cracki> and apple itunes
2018-08-07T07:26:40 < Cracki> and some other platforms
2018-08-07T07:26:49 < Cracki> coordinated action by the media
2018-08-07T07:26:57 < Cracki> cnn is having a party over this
2018-08-07T07:27:30 < Cracki> facebook pages deleted too, and private accounts locked, they can't even chat with their friends and family anymore
2018-08-07T07:27:37 < Cracki> *personal accs
2018-08-07T07:28:57 < jadew> lots of censorship in the land of the free
2018-08-07T07:28:59 < Cracki> with this bullshit, they prove trump wrong when he said the media is the enemy of the people
2018-08-07T07:29:34 < Cracki> elon musk asked... who *owns* the media?
2018-08-07T07:31:20 < Thorn> some quality conspiracy theories https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySnk-f2ThpE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wlNey9t7hQ
2018-08-07T07:31:54 < Thorn> and other his 'documentaries' on the Rockefellers etc.
2018-08-07T07:32:18 < Cracki> pay attention to the family names
2018-08-07T07:32:23 < Cracki> you'll notice some pattern
2018-08-07T07:33:31 < Cracki> also: yay first stage landing!
2018-08-07T07:33:36 < Cracki> (soon
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2018-08-07T07:39:59 < jadew> I think the only thing that is revealed by this is that most of the media is nothing more than a political tool these days
2018-08-07T07:41:34 < jadew> the dream of how the media was a separate power in the state is long gone
2018-08-07T07:41:47 < englishman> hi it looks like you are not chatting about stm32 but instead some retarded fat people who live in a country none of you have ever been to
2018-08-07T07:42:57 < jadew> englishman, except youtube and apple and facebook are everywhere
2018-08-07T07:44:55 < englishman> all of them low quality shit
2018-08-07T07:45:01 < englishman> who cares
2018-08-07T07:45:18 < englishman> this channel is an innovation channel
2018-08-07T07:45:25 < jadew> you're right
2018-08-07T07:45:34  * jadew goes back to innovating some bugs out of his code
2018-08-07T07:45:43 < englishman> nice
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2018-08-07T07:53:58 < R0b0t1> The media is still a separate power jadew 
2018-08-07T07:54:03 < R0b0t1> And like any power it has an agenda
2018-08-07T07:54:09 < R0b0t1> And like any power it has a master
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2018-08-07T08:04:04 < Thorn> stream live
2018-08-07T08:07:26 < jadew> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/06/north-carolina-boy-9-robbed-at-gunpoint-while-selling-lemonade-cops-say.html
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2018-08-07T10:08:06 < Haohmaru> mr kondenzator
2018-08-07T10:08:19 < capacitor> now here's a bunch of cunts
2018-08-07T10:08:30 < Haohmaru> where?
2018-08-07T10:09:03 < capacitor> sniff sniff
2018-08-07T10:09:17 < Haohmaru> wut r they doin?
2018-08-07T10:09:27 < capacitor> out rootin
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2018-08-07T11:19:15 < veverak> so, here I have this 3D printer nozzle
2018-08-07T11:19:25 < veverak> (stationary, not moving, automatic testing of the heating)
2018-08-07T11:19:44 < veverak> how much it is a bad idea to attach PT100 to it with samarium-cobalt magnet?
2018-08-07T11:19:50 < veverak> (the PT100 is read by stm32)
2018-08-07T11:21:48 < emeryth> well the heat could kill the magnet
2018-08-07T11:22:14 < capacitor> the curie temperature mate
2018-08-07T11:23:22 < veverak> well
2018-08-07T11:23:33 < veverak> hence the reason for samariun-cobalts, they are up to 500C
2018-08-07T11:23:37 < veverak> the nozzle is up to300
2018-08-07T11:26:25 < capacitor> give it a solid one for me 
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2018-08-07T11:35:22 < zyp> veverak, it's not a brass nozzle?
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2018-08-07T11:40:35 < veverak> it is
2018-08-07T11:41:40 < zyp> do you expect a magnet to stick on brass?
2018-08-07T11:42:16 < veverak> ah, did not thought of that
2018-08-07T11:44:55 < Thorn> you aren't using a heat block?
2018-08-07T11:45:23 < zyp> the heat block is usually aluminum, so it won't stick to that either
2018-08-07T11:46:00 < Thorn> there should be a threaded hole in it 
2018-08-07T11:46:10 < Thorn> or something to fix the rtd to it
2018-08-07T11:47:32 < veverak> that's the thing, I am fixing the actual sensor by the printer
2018-08-07T11:47:49 < veverak> but, another one to use during testing to verify that the one in printer works as expected
2018-08-07T11:48:57 < veverak> *I am not fixing the actual sensor
2018-08-07T11:49:44 < veverak> so, thinking about non-intrusive way to attach it
2018-08-07T11:50:26 < emeryth> thermal glue?
2018-08-07T12:05:27 < veverak> that sounds pernament
2018-08-07T12:05:38 < veverak> I was thinking of metal 'C' clip as alternative
2018-08-07T12:20:42 < Steffanx> Drill a hole in the heating block and just get yourself a new heating block when you're done?
2018-08-07T12:20:45 < Steffanx> or leave it there..
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2018-08-07T12:56:27 < Laurenceb__> reee freenode is kill
2018-08-07T12:56:44 < Laurenceb__> freenode took a seat over there
2018-08-07T12:57:33 < capacitor> so like
2018-08-07T12:57:56 < capacitor> does this whole thing have _any_ basis? or just a good ole troll off?
2018-08-07T12:58:02 < Laurenceb__> dunno
2018-08-07T12:58:15 < Laurenceb__> its probably real then used as ammo by trolls
2018-08-07T12:58:29 < Laurenceb__> tfw too lazy to investigate
2018-08-07T12:59:13 < Laurenceb__> the mark trout site is fake, but apparently copied from his darknet site or something
2018-08-07T13:00:38 < Steffanx> Did your trustworthy internet source tell you?
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2018-08-07T13:01:24 < jadew> what's this about?
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2018-08-07T13:03:17 < Steffanx> idk
2018-08-07T13:03:28 < catphish> morning
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2018-08-07T13:04:16 < capacitor> the cleaners
2018-08-07T13:05:11 < Steffanx> Where is dongs? Havent seem him for a while now
2018-08-07T13:05:36 < jadew> innovating maybe?
2018-08-07T13:05:39 < mawk> every site mentionned by the spammer has been registered like a week ago
2018-08-07T13:05:41 < capacitor> probably
2018-08-07T13:06:00 < mawk> some passages from the blog posts are copied from the real blog, other are took from some real pedo sources
2018-08-07T13:06:07 < jadew> mawk, what?
2018-08-07T13:06:10 < capacitor> basically when someone is klined they'll accuse every oper on the network of being a pedo
2018-08-07T13:06:13 < jadew> is everyone talking about random shit?
2018-08-07T13:06:58 < jadew> what spammer?
2018-08-07T13:06:58 < mawk> yes jadew 
2018-08-07T13:07:00 < Steffanx> where have you been the last few weeks? I cannot imagine you missed all this spam on freenode jadew
2018-08-07T13:07:18 < Steffanx> or are you only in ##stm32?
2018-08-07T13:07:19 < jadew> Steffanx, I've been innovating :P
2018-08-07T13:07:23 < tomeaton17> some opers do have a stick up their arse but ofc that doesn't justify this spam
2018-08-07T13:07:32 < jadew> I'm in several channels, but, yeah, only active here
2018-08-07T13:08:21 < mawk> jadew: https://paste.serveur.io/m6Gv5AIK
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2018-08-07T13:08:30 < mawk> I have thousands of lines like that
2018-08-07T13:08:31 < mawk> on my french irc server
2018-08-07T13:09:01 < mawk> the spam is not exclusive to freenode
2018-08-07T13:09:03 < Steffanx> They just didnt find ##stm32 jadew, probably because +s
2018-08-07T13:09:26 < capacitor> there was only 1 channel it hit on muh irc
2018-08-07T13:09:57 < tomeaton17> Also, they are looking at +o tags in big channels to generate spam 
2018-08-07T13:10:19 < catphish> am i right in thinking the stm32 can take a string from memory and convert it to a stream of pwm using dma?
2018-08-07T13:10:34 < Steffanx> yes
2018-08-07T13:11:24 < Haohmaru> pwm'ed strings.. shekkspir wood b proud
2018-08-07T13:12:03 < catphish> excellent, i'm going to try building something with NFC communication and was hoping i could use this to AM encode some data
2018-08-07T13:12:57 < catphish> ie by connecting the pwm output to a resonant antenna and praying
2018-08-07T13:13:56 < Steffanx> just have some timer trigger the dma transfer to the register(s)
2018-08-07T13:14:25 < catphish> cool, i'll give it a try
2018-08-07T13:14:27 < mawk> pwm doesn't look the best candidate for AM
2018-08-07T13:14:39 < mawk> don't you have a DAC on your stm32 ?
2018-08-07T13:15:24 < Steffanx> or that ^
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2018-08-07T13:15:56 < jadew> he wants to send binary data tho...
2018-08-07T13:16:32 < jadew> and I guess he wants PWM so he can encode the data in the width of the pulse
2018-08-07T13:16:37 < jadew> sounds good really
2018-08-07T13:18:40 < jadew> being PWM will also take care of AGC issues on the receiver, because you have to go continously from low to high anyway (assuming cheap receiver)
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2018-08-07T14:02:58 < jadew> I wonder what happened to LeeLooMinai
2018-08-07T14:03:20 < capacitor> lol
2018-08-07T14:04:09 < jadew> she abandoned her flickr account too since she left
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2018-08-07T14:28:55 < catphish> jadew: sorry, wandered off, the intention is to encode data in the amplitude of a wave
2018-08-07T14:29:52 < catphish> my intention was to create the wave using a simple square wave into an inductor, and amplitude modulate it by changing the duty cycle
2018-08-07T14:30:05 < jadew> oh
2018-08-07T14:31:10 < catphish> i'm copying this: http://www.serasidis.gr/circuits/RFID_reader/images/125kHz_RFID_reader_schem_small.jpg
2018-08-07T14:31:21 < catphish> (the transmitter in the top-left)
2018-08-07T14:32:31 < jadew> that's actually the receiver
2018-08-07T14:32:52 < jadew> actually I think it's both
2018-08-07T14:33:08 < catphish> well it's designed to generate a wave, then detect changes in its amplitude
2018-08-07T14:33:09 < jadew> ok, looks doable
2018-08-07T14:33:26 < catphish> the original design was intended as a receiver only
2018-08-07T14:33:33 < jadew> yeah, makes sense
2018-08-07T14:33:45 < catphish> but i thought i could make it transmit data too by varying the pulse width of the antenna output
2018-08-07T14:34:06 < jadew> yeah, should work
2018-08-07T14:34:16 < jadew> but what are you communicating with?
2018-08-07T14:34:31 < jadew> another RFID device?
2018-08-07T14:34:33 < catphish> then when it wants to receive, it uses a constant amplitude, and detects changes in that amplitude caused by the "client" device
2018-08-07T14:34:43 < catphish> yes, in fact it's my intention to build both sides
2018-08-07T14:35:03 < catphish> one side provides power, the other side is passive and stores small amounts of data
2018-08-07T14:35:33 < catphish> the idea is to be basically 125khz rfid, but writeable
2018-08-07T14:35:50 < zyp> is there a reason you want to build this from scratch instead of using existing solutions?
2018-08-07T14:36:22 < catphish> zyp: despite the obviousness of this, i couldn't find any off the shelf solutions
2018-08-07T14:36:27 < zyp> other than to satisfy your curiosity on whether you can make it work, I mean
2018-08-07T14:36:59 < catphish> well it will be nice to learn how it works, but ultimately i'd like to use as much "off the shelf" as possble
2018-08-07T14:37:06 < zyp> off the shelf solutions to do what exactly?
2018-08-07T14:37:11 < jadew> catphish, you probably didn't look hard enough, there are surely many RFID transcievers out there
2018-08-07T14:38:11 < catphish> zyp: near field transceiver with a passive writeable tag with around 1kb of nv memory
2018-08-07T14:38:16 < zyp> I don't have any experience with 125kHz RFID, but I've worked with 13.56MHz
2018-08-07T14:38:36 < catphish> i'm not too worried about the frequency
2018-08-07T14:38:41 < zyp> what reading distance?
2018-08-07T14:39:32 < zyp> most 13.56 tags are writable
2018-08-07T14:40:56 < catphish> minimal distance, like 50mm maybe
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2018-08-07T14:41:45 < catphish> you're right, 1kb writable tags do exist
2018-08-07T14:41:50 < zyp> 50mm sounds doable for common nfc stuff
2018-08-07T14:41:58 < catphish> that's an excellent head start
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2018-08-07T14:44:38 < zyp> if you're planning to use off the shelf tags, I'd look at mifare ultralight, as they seem to be most common
2018-08-07T14:44:50 < catphish> i was just looking at these: https://www.adafruit.com/product/359
2018-08-07T14:45:13 < zyp> those look like mifare classic
2018-08-07T14:45:30 < catphish> yeah, it says they're deprecated
2018-08-07T14:45:52 < zyp> mifare classic is also common, but has a proprietary protocol variant, so it's a bit more limited in which reader chips that can read it
2018-08-07T14:45:59 < zyp> mostly just NXP chips do
2018-08-07T14:46:13 < catphish> i'm particularly interested in minimizing the cost
2018-08-07T14:46:23 < catphish> so will need a low cost reader IC
2018-08-07T14:46:38 < zyp> how many readers and how many tags are you looking at?
2018-08-07T14:46:44 < emeryth> catphish: chinese boards with PN532 are like $5
2018-08-07T14:47:41 < catphish> that's plenty cheap enough, and i have no idea about quantity yet, just a proof of concept for now
2018-08-07T14:48:13 < zyp> $2.5 for a tag is pretty expensive too
2018-08-07T14:49:03 < karlp> well, shopping on adafruit is probably going to have a bit to do with that...
2018-08-07T14:49:09 < zyp> yes
2018-08-07T14:49:18 < catphish> indeed
2018-08-07T14:49:25 < catphish> blame their seo :)
2018-08-07T14:49:32 < catphish> i just ended up there
2018-08-07T14:49:49 < catphish> PN532 is $40 there!
2018-08-07T14:50:04 < karlp> hehe, adafruit is a seller on digikey too, for.... $2.50
2018-08-07T14:50:39 < catphish> so can one read and write these tags in blocks?
2018-08-07T14:50:42 < karlp> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/microchip-technology/AT88RF04C-MVA1/1611-AT88RF04C-MVA1CT-ND/6831584 for instance...
2018-08-07T14:51:32 < karlp> did you mean 1kbit or 1kbyte?
2018-08-07T14:52:26 < catphish> i was looking for 256 bytes minimum
2018-08-07T14:52:44 < zyp> anyway, I would go for mifare ultralight unless you have requirements that dictates something else
2018-08-07T14:52:47 < catphish> so that 4kb (i assume that's 512 bytes) should be fine
2018-08-07T14:53:42 < zyp> hmm, wait, ultralight is smaller than you want
2018-08-07T14:54:16 < catphish> looks like there's lots of choices of writable devices anyway, i'll look through the list on digikey
2018-08-07T14:54:38 < zyp> I wouldn't buy the tags from digikey, you can get them much cheaper elsewhere
2018-08-07T14:55:04 < karlp> but they're still cheaper on digikey than on adafruit.
2018-08-07T14:55:12 < catphish> to be honest, if they cost less than about $2 i'm not too bothered, i said i wanted cheap, but that's plenty cheap enough
2018-08-07T14:55:17 < zyp> I wouldn't buy them from adafruit either
2018-08-07T14:55:19 < zyp> :)
2018-08-07T14:55:40 < karlp> so where would you get them then? if you're not doing big mass stuff?
2018-08-07T14:56:34 < zyp> ebay/aliexpress for smaller quantities
2018-08-07T14:58:08 < catphish> there's lot of options, hopefully i can get a nice form factor too that suits my application
2018-08-07T14:59:08 < zyp> otherwise I paid $220 shipped for a 500-batch of cards with custom artwork printed a few months ago
2018-08-07T14:59:53 < karlp> zyp: right, if you can find the ones you like on ali, sure.
2018-08-07T15:00:03 < catphish> cool
2018-08-07T15:00:03 < karlp> who custom made them for you?
2018-08-07T15:00:17 < zyp> chinese company
2018-08-07T15:00:39 < zyp> cushyprinting.com
2018-08-07T15:03:33 < catphish> zyp: do you know if any of the tags they offer meet my requirements for 256 writable bytes?
2018-08-07T15:03:57 < catphish> i guess "4k mifare"
2018-08-07T15:04:37 < zyp> I just realized that neither ultralight nor icode does, and I don't have enough experience with the other variants to recommend or not
2018-08-07T15:05:04 < zyp> I don't like the proprietary protocol of mifare classic, but they do have some
2018-08-07T15:05:20 < zyp> mifare desfire also seems to do, but they might be overkill again
2018-08-07T15:06:04 < catphish> i'm looking at http://cushyprinting.com/100-Pieces-RFID-Silicone-Wristband-with-1-Color-Logo-p-295.html
2018-08-07T15:06:32 < catphish> they have a ton of chips, many don't specify the protrocol / part number
2018-08-07T15:06:43 < catphish> ie what is "mifare 4k"
2018-08-07T15:06:49 < zyp> 1k and 4k are mifare classic
2018-08-07T15:07:11 < zyp> and the 1k/4k are actual bytes
2018-08-07T15:07:21 < catphish> even better
2018-08-07T15:07:27 < catphish> so i might only need 1k
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2018-08-07T15:08:30 < zyp> apparently there's some reserved bytes, so 1k has a net writable storage of 752 bytes
2018-08-07T15:08:59 < catphish> still plenty
2018-08-07T15:10:41 < catphish> • 4 kB, organized in 32 sectors of 4 blocks and 8 sectors of 16 blocks (one block consists of 16 byte)
2018-08-07T15:11:18 < catphish> 4kB is overkill but not terribly expensive
2018-08-07T15:11:29 < catphish> and what does one use to communicate with these?
2018-08-07T15:11:43 < catphish> something nxp proprietary i assume
2018-08-07T15:11:54 < zyp> pn532 is common and does classic
2018-08-07T15:12:17 < zyp> I don't have experience with anything else that would do classic
2018-08-07T15:12:33 < zyp> I've made readers based on st95hf, but they don't talk to mifare classic
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2018-08-07T15:21:13 < zyp> ntag215/216 (504/888 bytes available) looks like decent options that talk a standard protocol
2018-08-07T15:21:20 < catphish> mifare mf1 seems to meet the criteria too
2018-08-07T15:21:32 < zyp> ntag213 looks a bit more common, but only has 144 writable bytes
2018-08-07T15:21:55 < zyp> mf1?
2018-08-07T15:22:09 < catphish> https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/datasheets/S50.pdf
2018-08-07T15:22:43 < zyp> ah, MF1 IC S50 is the formal name for mifare classic 1k
2018-08-07T15:23:06 < catphish> ooh! that explains that
2018-08-07T15:23:09 < zyp> by the way, what will this be used for?
2018-08-07T15:23:51 < zyp> is there any security aspect to what you'll be doing?
2018-08-07T15:24:06 < catphish> sport timing, and no, i don't care about security
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2018-08-07T15:24:51 < mawk> https://www.mifare.net/en/products/tools/taplinx/
2018-08-07T15:24:58 < mawk> this page says that the mifare sdf is now "open" and free
2018-08-07T15:25:01 < mawk> sdk*
2018-08-07T15:25:37 < zyp> catphish, something like orientation, where participants run around with tags and readers placed here and there will write timestamps into the tags?
2018-08-07T15:25:46 < catphish> zyp: exactly that
2018-08-07T15:26:16 < englishman> I wore one of those last month, it didn't feel like it was RFID, tho maybe it was
2018-08-07T15:26:43 < catphish> commercial solutions expensive and upset me by refusing to provide documentation about the structure of the memory
2018-08-07T15:26:48 < catphish> so i'm making my own :)
2018-08-07T15:27:24 < englishman> it could have been RFID with a complicated and very fast base station
2018-08-07T15:27:30 < catphish> they're some kind of rfid, in so much as they're powered and communicate by RF
2018-08-07T15:28:15 < englishman> interesting
2018-08-07T15:29:08 < catphish> can one communicate with NTAG216 using the same pn532?
2018-08-07T15:29:36 < zyp> I believe so
2018-08-07T15:30:12 < zyp> any common smartphone should be able to too
2018-08-07T15:30:33 < catphish> yeah they're mostly sold as smartphone compatible
2018-08-07T15:31:32 < zyp> how will you do accurate timestamping on the stations? gps?
2018-08-07T15:32:58 < catphish> i haven't looked into that yet
2018-08-07T15:33:11 < catphish> gps would be great, but any hardware rtc would be ok
2018-08-07T15:33:32 < catphish> that will come down to cost and practicality of setting the clock
2018-08-07T15:35:39 < zyp> have you considered alternate approaches? instead of logging the time in the tag, you could log the id of the tag on the station
2018-08-07T15:35:56 < catphish> well i've ordered a pn532, plus some classic 1k and ntag216 tags
2018-08-07T15:36:05 < catphish> thanks for the pointers so far!
2018-08-07T15:36:21 < kakimir> do you have any recommends for program to show diagnostic data on tablet device?
2018-08-07T15:36:24 < kakimir> or linux device
2018-08-07T15:36:26 < zyp> with the latter approach, you could use any tag, but you'd probably want some sort of connectivity on the station to send back logged visits
2018-08-07T15:36:34 < catphish> logging time on the tag is essential for immediate feedback of results, which people like
2018-08-07T15:36:40 < zyp> kakimir, nxp tagreader app is nice
2018-08-07T15:37:00 < zyp> catphish, connected stations would achieve the same
2018-08-07T15:37:08 < kakimir> I think statistic features would be nice
2018-08-07T15:37:14 < catphish> connectivity of stations seems like a lot more work than writing the tags though
2018-08-07T15:37:42 < catphish> would need some moderate power RF or something like gsm which would be location specific, alltogether less reliable
2018-08-07T15:37:59 < zyp> I don't know your situation :)
2018-08-07T15:38:00 < kakimir> if I get like updates 10 times a second and I want to see a graph or average - median or so
2018-08-07T15:38:05 < zyp> but yes
2018-08-07T15:38:19 < kakimir> and using uart interface
2018-08-07T15:38:27 < catphish> it would be nice to make the stations communicate optionally, but my priority is getting the timestamps onto the cards
2018-08-07T15:39:33 < zyp> I just figure that if you need a time source like gps then wireless connectivity would also be able to do that
2018-08-07T15:40:33 < catphish> true
2018-08-07T15:41:49 < zyp> how long will the stations stand unattended? how are you going to solve power? just big enough batteries to last long enough?
2018-08-07T15:43:26 < jpa-> hard part about rfid tag writing is handling it when the tag is removed midway through a write
2018-08-07T15:43:33 < catphish> yes, the intention was to use a standard usb chargable lithium setup
2018-08-07T15:44:00 < jpa-> needs some checksum & one needs to consider the erase block size also to avoid damaging old data
2018-08-07T15:44:30 < catphish> jpa-: that's a good point, i guess ideally one uses the blocks in pairs to journal the writes
2018-08-07T15:44:50 < zyp> jpa-, ntag has nice 4-byte blocks
2018-08-07T15:45:00 < jpa-> that's one way, but if you just append data, you can get away with just checksum in each block
2018-08-07T15:45:07 < catphish> interestingly 4 bytes the the size i want to write
2018-08-07T15:45:24 < catphish> just enough for a timestamp and a location ID
2018-08-07T15:46:13 < catphish> it would be better if the supported a buffered atomic write
2018-08-07T15:46:27 < jpa-> that's hard to implement when the chip could lose power at any moment :P
2018-08-07T15:46:29 < catphish> so it gathers enough power to complete an erase/write, gathers the data, then does the erase/wriote
2018-08-07T15:46:48 < catphish> depends if the capacitor has enough charge to do the erase/write
2018-08-07T15:46:48 < jpa-> ah, yeah, with a big capacitor
2018-08-07T15:47:40 < catphish> i'll look at the chip specs
2018-08-07T15:47:46 < zyp> you could also have each location just write a specific block
2018-08-07T15:47:48 < catphish> i realy hope it does that
2018-08-07T15:47:58 < zyp> unless you need to log multiple visits at the same locations
2018-08-07T15:48:13 < catphish> that doesn't really work for my application sadly, multiple visits in order matter
2018-08-07T15:49:51 < catphish> there needs to be an incremented pointer that points to the next block to overwrite
2018-08-07T15:49:57 < zyp> I don't have much experience with writing, my projects have been centered around reading, but I don't think interrupted writes should be that hard to deal with
2018-08-07T15:50:06 < catphish> so this would be incremented as the final stage in the write
2018-08-07T15:50:16 < mawk> so you'll have N receptors from which you'll collect the data after the run catphish ?
2018-08-07T15:50:41 < catphish> yes
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2018-08-07T15:50:50 < zyp> I suggest just erasing the tags at the start, then each reader does a binary search to find the first available sector and write there
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2018-08-07T15:51:15 < zyp> incrementing a pointer sounds overcomplicating it
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2018-08-07T15:51:30 < catphish> zyp: that's a much better idea, faster writes too
2018-08-07T15:52:25 < zyp> if a binary search would be too slow, keeping an index of used sectors could work too, assuming you can write single bits without erasing
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2018-08-07T15:52:45 < catphish> a bitmap would be great if one can just set individual bits
2018-08-07T15:52:50 < catphish> i'll have to read the spec
2018-08-07T15:53:29 < mawk> what's wrong about powering the receptors yourself ?
2018-08-07T15:54:22 < catphish> firstly, i'm not sure that it's necessary or beneficial, but also it's just an unnecessary step for the users
2018-08-07T15:54:50 < mawk> no I mean having batteries in the receptors
2018-08-07T15:54:50 < catphish> being able to just give out $1 tags is awesomer
2018-08-07T15:55:01 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-07T15:55:16 < catphish> by receptors you mean the portable tags?
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2018-08-07T15:55:47 < mawk> no, the fixed things that the runners will apply the tags to
2018-08-07T15:55:55 < catphish> oh, those will definitely have batteries
2018-08-07T15:56:00 < mawk> ah, alright
2018-08-07T15:56:13 < catphish> those will just be usb chargable or similar
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2018-08-07T15:56:47 < jpa-> lowest cost solution: have users install a smartphone app that reads a QR code at each station :P
2018-08-07T15:57:01 < zyp> or nfc tag, but yes
2018-08-07T15:57:22 < catphish> actually i already made that app :)
2018-08-07T15:57:35 < catphish> and it works, but it's not suitable for any serious competition
2018-08-07T15:59:15 < catphish> so i guess i just need to design the stations, they'll need a clock and a battery, nothing too taxing
2018-08-07T16:00:57 < zyp> will they stay out for more than a day at a time?
2018-08-07T16:01:20 < mawk> catphish: so you want to store the run data in the tags instead of storing them in the tree receptors
2018-08-07T16:01:25 < mawk> if you have code to run on the tags
2018-08-07T16:01:59 < zyp> mawk, it's a reasonable approach
2018-08-07T16:02:02 < catphish> mawk: actually it will be stored on both
2018-08-07T16:02:18 < catphish> the benefit of storing on the tags is instant results when people finish
2018-08-07T16:02:23 < catphish> without needing radio transmission
2018-08-07T16:02:34 < mawk> yes
2018-08-07T16:02:40 < mawk> but potentially costlier tags
2018-08-07T16:02:41 < mawk> I guess
2018-08-07T16:02:59 < zyp> I'd argue that the difference in tag price is moot
2018-08-07T16:03:03 < catphish> well that was my first step, to check the cost of the tags, but it's pretty negligable for a 1k writable tag
2018-08-07T16:03:04 < mawk> I see
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2018-08-07T16:07:28 < jpa-> remember to include a feature that reads a hidden location on the tag and sleeps for that number of milliseconds before giving the confirmation beep :P
2018-08-07T16:07:44 < jpa-> then sell the faster tags for premium
2018-08-07T16:07:47 < zyp> haha
2018-08-07T16:07:49 < catphish> i guess the protocol must support either atomic erase-write or separate erase and write, in either case, i can implement a bitmap of used vs emoty blocks
2018-08-07T16:08:10 < catphish> jpa-: that's genius
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2018-08-07T16:09:33 < catphish> well i'll get on with designing a base station, guess it'll need some kind of MCU
2018-08-07T16:09:47 < karlp> or just a rpi class thing.
2018-08-07T16:09:55 < karlp> bigger batteries, but might make the sw easier...
2018-08-07T16:10:00 < catphish> yeah n
2018-08-07T16:10:01 < catphish> *no
2018-08-07T16:10:25 < karlp> no problem, just putting it out there that you don't have to do everything on an MCU :)
2018-08-07T16:10:32 < catphish> i'm a pretty big fan of MCUs and efficient code
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2018-08-07T16:11:14 < zyp> I'd start with running tests on card handling, with code running on a normal computer
2018-08-07T16:11:30 < karlp> no zyp, that's not an mcu and efficient code....
2018-08-07T16:11:47 < zyp> then once you know how to handle the cards reliably and have verified it'll work in practice, write MCU code to do it
2018-08-07T16:11:57 < mawk> it seems people aren't very interested by realtime code on raspberry pi
2018-08-07T16:12:17 < zyp> as in baremetal, or what?
2018-08-07T16:12:18 < karlp> what on earth makes you think reading an rfid is some sort of impossible "real time" task?
2018-08-07T16:12:26 < mawk> as in realtime patches for linux zyp 
2018-08-07T16:12:54 < mawk> preempt-rt worked nice, but when I tried to use xenomai there was almost no info
2018-08-07T16:13:08 < jpa-> i'd start with running the same tests, but with code on discovery board or something
2018-08-07T16:13:16 < jpa-> then one can reuse the code easily enough
2018-08-07T16:13:38 < karlp> mawk: so, did you actually _need_ preempt-rt or xenomai? or had you just convinced yourself that you did? :)
2018-08-07T16:13:47 < mawk> it was a class assignment, karlp 
2018-08-07T16:13:54 < karlp> even better...
2018-08-07T16:13:57 < mawk> lol
2018-08-07T16:14:03 < mawk> write gpio kernel drivers for xenomai
2018-08-07T16:14:26 < karlp> was xenomai funding some of the professors _other_ work?
2018-08-07T16:14:35 < mawk> sometimes I wonder
2018-08-07T16:14:56 < mawk> they make us use the autotools for configuration of source code, because two of our teachers wrote this shit
2018-08-07T16:15:01 < catphish> zyp: i'll probably start by testing the card writing code but using an mcu passthrough, since a big part of the testing will be the interface between the MCU and writer
2018-08-07T16:15:19 < mawk> while cmake is clearly superior
2018-08-07T16:15:26 < zyp> catphish, yeah, that's what I do
2018-08-07T16:15:55 < catphish> i hope the reader will take care of all the timing and just provide a non time sensitive serial interface
2018-08-07T16:16:04 < catphish> SPI or such
2018-08-07T16:16:14 < zyp> my readers have ST95HF connected to the MCU via SPI, and then I have a USB-SPI bridge running on the MCU, and just prototype everything in python on the host
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2018-08-07T16:17:30 < catphish> i'll use an arduino or my nucleo with some passthrough code
2018-08-07T16:17:33 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/DG061 <- this shit's pretty easy to prototype with, and no need to recompile/flash mcu code all the time
2018-08-07T16:18:05 < karlp> hehe. cmake is superior :)
2018-08-07T16:18:17 < karlp> (I'm no autohell fan, don't get me wrong, but cmake is just different bullshit)
2018-08-07T16:19:44 < mawk> another long-term assignment I have is to port 6LoWPAN to a real-time os, RTEMS
2018-08-07T16:19:55 < mawk> because the teacher is a dev for rtems or something
2018-08-07T16:19:58 < mawk> or a friend of the lead dev
2018-08-07T16:19:59 < zyp> haha
2018-08-07T16:20:15 < Thorn> lol there's only one OS that "supports" it iirc
2018-08-07T16:20:21 < zyp> mawk, oh, btw, was it you talking me into buying those 6lowpan/ble/whatever modules?
2018-08-07T16:20:22 < Thorn> *"OS"
2018-08-07T16:20:30 < mawk> contiki Thorn ?
2018-08-07T16:20:37 < Thorn> I think so
2018-08-07T16:21:05 < mawk> me talking you into buying them zyp ? I don't think so
2018-08-07T16:21:11 < mawk> or else I didn't understand the sentence
2018-08-07T16:21:12 < Thorn> it was a while since I looked into .15.4
2018-08-07T16:21:16 < karlp> academic garbage shit
2018-08-07T16:21:20 < mawk> some time ago I ask for some info about buying some for me, yes
2018-08-07T16:21:49 < Thorn> muh hot end (with 2 heat breaks, how about that, bitmask)
2018-08-07T16:21:52 < Thorn> muh extruder
2018-08-07T16:21:56 < Thorn> muh belt
2018-08-07T16:22:02 < Thorn> muh pulleys
2018-08-07T16:22:37 < Haohmaru> muh laz0r
2018-08-07T16:22:40 < zyp> Thorn, not a double hot end, just spare, I hope :p
2018-08-07T16:23:03 < Thorn> nope not double, e3d v6 clone
2018-08-07T16:23:29 < Thorn> complete with a card with a link to the e3d wiki lol
2018-08-07T16:23:33 < zyp> how's progress? gotten any further than ordering parts?
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2018-08-07T16:24:55 < Thorn> well I also ordered 5kg of plastic lol
2018-08-07T16:25:08 < zyp> haha
2018-08-07T16:26:07 < zyp> I ordered a couple spools of plastic when I ordered my 3d printer, in 2011
2018-08-07T16:26:14 < zyp> only got around to start using them last year :p
2018-08-07T16:26:21 < Thorn> I need to order materials for the frame, hot bed and the controller (even if I do my own it will take months and I want a usable printer in the meantime lol)
2018-08-07T16:26:40 < zyp> true
2018-08-07T16:26:41 < Thorn> so ~$100 more
2018-08-07T16:26:48 < Thorn> and then I can start the assembly
2018-08-07T16:26:58 < zyp> looked at any particular controller board?
2018-08-07T16:28:09 < zyp> might be an idea to look for something you can prototype your own firmware on if you're planning to write your own
2018-08-07T16:28:13 < Thorn> right now I only know what I saw in youtube videos / read in *-bot assembly guides
2018-08-07T16:28:57 < zyp> I was looking at cheap stm32-based boards
2018-08-07T16:29:22 < Thorn> yeah that would be nice as a motor control dev board
2018-08-07T16:30:16 < zyp> haven't found any that looked too interesting yet
2018-08-07T16:30:32 < zyp> I don't want anything f1-based
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2018-08-07T16:31:33 < zyp> found a guy that made a f7-based one, but he never replied to my email when I asked him if he had any spares he'd be willing to sell me
2018-08-07T16:32:12 < srk> I make f7 based motor controllers, early stage tho
2018-08-07T16:32:26 < zyp> what motors?
2018-08-07T16:33:08 < srk> we do have dual stepper prototype for stepsticks + encoders and devboard for bldcs
2018-08-07T16:33:26 < srk> might make one for trinamics as well
2018-08-07T16:33:53 < srk> but you can use f7stamp already if you don't mind making your own basedboards for it
2018-08-07T16:34:15 < srk> or run off the devboard
2018-08-07T16:34:28 < zyp> f7stamp?
2018-08-07T16:34:50 < srk> https://wiki.distrap.org/File:Stmstamp.jpeg
2018-08-07T16:35:05 < srk> with devboard https://wiki.distrap.org/File:Stampstack.jpeg
2018-08-07T16:35:13 < srk> need to upload pics with populated boards /o\
2018-08-07T16:35:23 < srk> but you get the idea
2018-08-07T16:35:26 < catphish> oo, leading sport timing chip company have just send me the docs i asked for after saying they wouldn't, woo :) even more options available now
2018-08-07T16:37:20 < zyp> srk, ah
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2018-08-07T16:57:32 < mawk> are you french catphish ?
2018-08-07T16:57:41 < mawk> I remember someone with your color that was french around here
2018-08-07T16:58:13 < catphish> i am definitely not french
2018-08-07T16:58:21 < Haohmaru> "color" ?!
2018-08-07T16:58:23 < mawk> alright
2018-08-07T16:58:31 < mawk> lol Haohmaru 
2018-08-07T16:58:34 < mawk> nick color
2018-08-07T16:58:35 < Haohmaru> hexchat?
2018-08-07T16:58:38 < catphish> in fact in my country, it's illegal to have anything to do with the french
2018-08-07T17:00:41 < Steffanx> What isnt illegal there?
2018-08-07T17:01:26 < BrainDamage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbhsR6vEuQ8
2018-08-07T17:01:45 < mawk> yes Haohmaru 
2018-08-07T17:02:07 < Haohmaru> i thought that's quite random/inconsistent
2018-08-07T17:02:14 < Steffanx> Yes serious boom that was BrainDamage.
2018-08-07T17:02:16 < Haohmaru> i turn it off
2018-08-07T17:02:22 < mawk> it's based off a hash of the nickname Haohmaru 
2018-08-07T17:02:34 < mawk> weechat coloration is a bit smarter, it chops off the _ and ` around
2018-08-07T17:02:38 < mawk> but hexchat still is consistent
2018-08-07T17:02:47 < Haohmaru> so it's quite random then
2018-08-07T17:02:50 < mawk> non-consistent ones include android clients like Android IRC
2018-08-07T17:02:55 < mawk> well people keep the same nick
2018-08-07T17:03:10 < mawk> for a given nick there is a given color
2018-08-07T17:03:40 < Haohmaru> it probably does a hash on the whole nick!ident@host mask
2018-08-07T17:03:52 < catphish> my nicks are all the same colour
2018-08-07T17:04:21 < catphish> i'm gonna turn on coloured nicks, sounds fun
2018-08-07T17:04:57 < Haohmaru> prepare for cherga vomit
2018-08-07T17:05:07 < catphish> oo colourful
2018-08-07T17:06:10 < mawk> no Haohmaru just the nick
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2018-08-07T17:23:00 < jadew> what color am I?
2018-08-07T17:23:13 < jadew> in my client, everyone is black, I'm red
2018-08-07T17:23:21 < Thorn> muh heat breaks are different, one has a piece of teflon in the nozzle end, the other doesn't. you can sort of see it in the picture https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1Xnf0ACtYBeNjSspaq6yOOFXa7.jpg
2018-08-07T17:23:22 < catphish> i turned it off, i didn't like it, everyone is blue again
2018-08-07T17:23:27 < Haohmaru> <thatswacist.gif>
2018-08-07T17:24:15 < Thorn> jadew: the important thing is that Laurenceb should be warning red
2018-08-07T17:24:31 < Thorn> (you're purple)
2018-08-07T17:24:42 < jadew> he's nickname and text is white on white
2018-08-07T17:25:02 < Haohmaru> ah, pure and clean like an angel
2018-08-07T17:25:20 < jadew> all I see is <          >
2018-08-07T17:25:35 < jadew> >          , not funny...
2018-08-07T17:26:14 < jadew> *his
2018-08-07T17:26:48 < jadew> I'm super tired since I keep waking up between 2 and 4 am :/
2018-08-07T17:27:51 < englishman> mawk: français français? de france?
2018-08-07T17:28:23 < Steffanx> du sucre!
2018-08-07T17:29:17 < englishman> hello steffy
2018-08-07T17:29:24 < englishman> dong is on vacation
2018-08-07T17:29:29 < englishman> he may never return
2018-08-07T17:30:58 < Steffanx> Aha. That's sad to hear.
2018-08-07T17:31:33 < Steffanx> Or do you just say that because it can happen to anyway. Because cars crash, air planes fall down etc.?
2018-08-07T17:31:41 < Steffanx> *anyone
2018-08-07T17:31:51 < mawk> yes englishman 
2018-08-07T17:32:09 < mawk> I'm half dutch half french, and I live in France
2018-08-07T17:32:19 < Steffanx> aka belgian?
2018-08-07T17:32:24 < Thorn> it's not a vacation if you never return from it, it's retirement
2018-08-07T17:32:29 < mawk> no, dutch from the netherlands
2018-08-07T17:32:38 < Steffanx> Stroopwafel erbij?
2018-08-07T17:32:47 < mawk> my dutch father and french mother met at an exchange program for law studies in germany 
2018-08-07T17:33:06 < mawk> ja
2018-08-07T17:33:09 < Steffanx> :P
2018-08-07T17:33:26 < mawk> for now what I prefer are olibollen
2018-08-07T17:33:33 < mawk> olie*
2018-08-07T17:33:44 < Steffanx> You'll have to wait a few monts then.
2018-08-07T17:33:55 < Thorn> what motor do I use in the extruder, a "pancake" or a "normal" nema 17 one
2018-08-07T17:33:57 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-07T17:34:11 < mawk> but I don't speak dutch, my father tried when I was born, I tried again some years ago
2018-08-07T17:34:15 < Thorn> I've got both
2018-08-07T17:34:20 < englishman> chu désolé pour entendre ca
2018-08-07T17:35:08 < mawk> chu
2018-08-07T17:35:11 < mawk> chuchu
2018-08-07T17:35:12 < Thorn> (bowden)
2018-08-07T17:35:48 < Steffanx> if weight isnt an issue, then i would go good old "normal".
2018-08-07T17:35:56 < Steffanx> and since you go bowden ...
2018-08-07T17:38:16 < catphish> zyp: thanks for all the pointers, this is roughly what i want to build: https://i.imgur.com/VC7PBrQ.jpg?1 just need to choose some ICs
2018-08-07T17:39:15 < zyp> if you want to log stuff on the stations as well, you'd probably want to add some suitable storage for that too
2018-08-07T17:39:49 < catphish> that's true, i was thinking the mcu would have some suitable storage, but if not then definitely external eeprom
2018-08-07T17:40:17 < catphish> not sure if i want a mcu with usb or not, that rather limits options
2018-08-07T17:40:24 < zyp> and I'd drop the GPS if the stations are just going to stay out for a day or so, just make an automatic way to initialize the RTC over USB when placing them out
2018-08-07T17:40:47 < zyp> virtually all highend MCUs supports USB nowadays
2018-08-07T17:41:02 < catphish> i don't really know what mcu to use at all
2018-08-07T17:41:03 < zyp> and most decent lowend too, for that matter
2018-08-07T17:41:14 < zyp> well, this is ##stm32
2018-08-07T17:41:15 < zyp> :p
2018-08-07T17:41:37 < catphish> i'm a huge fan of stm32, which is why i'm here, though i've actually never one outside of a dev board
2018-08-07T17:42:40 < catphish> not sure how to store the RTC if i don't use gps, should i use an external RTC IC, or just keep the mcu running?
2018-08-07T17:43:34 < Steffanx> all/most mcus have a RTC inside. So external isnt really required.
2018-08-07T17:44:03 < catphish> these continue to run in extreme low power modes i assume?
2018-08-07T17:44:11 < englishman> stm8 lyfe
2018-08-07T17:44:11 < Steffanx> Yes.
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2018-08-07T17:44:29 < Steffanx> Get yourself a room, englishman.
2018-08-07T17:44:48 < catphish> ideally i'd like to be able to shut down most of the mcu and the rfid, and just leave the clock running, stm32 should be happy to do that
2018-08-07T17:45:35 < mawk> when you use desoldering braid does it get instantly soaked with solder ? or you have to rub it with the iron during a pretty long time or something
2018-08-07T17:45:47 < mawk> it's to determine if my braid is an especially crappy one or not
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2018-08-07T17:46:26 < Steffanx> in my experience there is a huge difference between bad/cheap and good/more expensive stuff, yes.
2018-08-07T17:46:27 < Thorn> mawk: are you using flux
2018-08-07T17:47:08 < mawk> like before using the braid Thorn ? no
2018-08-07T17:47:15 < mawk> but I tried and it didn't do better
2018-08-07T17:47:26 < catphish> well maybe i'll go stm32, since it has low power modes and usb, lose the gps, then i just need the power module
2018-08-07T17:47:53 < Thorn> put flux onto the pad, then put braid on top, then press it with the tip
2018-08-07T17:47:59 < Steffanx> but it might be what Thorn said. The more expensive stuff (chem-wik from chemtronics) has rosin flux on it.
2018-08-07T17:48:08 < mawk> ah, I see
2018-08-07T17:48:20 < mawk> this is the place where you get all your things ?
2018-08-07T17:48:35 < mawk> or it's a vendor
2018-08-07T17:48:40 < englishman> stm32 internal 32khz osc is pretty darn precise when calibrated
2018-08-07T17:48:57 < Steffanx> No temperature issues englishman?
2018-08-07T17:49:08 < Steffanx> its the manufacturer mawk
2018-08-07T17:49:09 < mawk> ah indeed it's not cheap
2018-08-07T17:49:28 < englishman> I didn't care about seconds/month so no, it was outdoor summer temps
2018-08-07T17:49:38 < englishman> depends on your needs
2018-08-07T17:53:55 < catphish> wait, the stm32 has its own battery charger?
2018-08-07T17:54:02 < catphish> it there anything it can't do?
2018-08-07T17:56:45 < karlp> what? who said battery charger?
2018-08-07T17:57:15 < catphish> only me :)
2018-08-07T17:57:22 < Steffanx> vbat? :P
2018-08-07T17:57:27 < catphish> indeed
2018-08-07T17:57:33 < Thorn> f4 etc. have builtin LDO and POR but battery charger?
2018-08-07T17:57:45 < Thorn> that is not a charger lol
2018-08-07T17:57:50 < catphish> i think it's basically just a resistor
2018-08-07T17:59:22 < Thorn> it's a power input for the backup domain (rtc, backup registers, wakeup iirc)
2018-08-07T17:59:28 < catphish> i guess it's really just for RTC backup, not sure main power
2018-08-07T17:59:41 < catphish> ^ this
2018-08-07T17:59:50 < catphish> shame
2018-08-07T18:00:14 < catphish> with that said, a 2-battery approach might be beneficial
2018-08-07T18:00:42 < catphish> so the rtc can run while everything else is completely powered off
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2018-08-07T18:07:58 < Steffanx> Yes, but you can also go fancy and go into some lowe power mode and make the RTC wake the mcu up once in a while to do whatever you want.
2018-08-07T18:10:04 < catphish> the only part i'm stuck with is what IC to put between the USB power, MCU, and lithium battery
2018-08-07T18:10:27 < catphish> i assume something exists that takes care of charge+discharge, but not sure what to search for
2018-08-07T18:11:01 < PaulFertser> PMU ?
2018-08-07T18:11:04 < karlp> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/these-probably-would-do/32530742023.html
2018-08-07T18:12:58 < catphish> i looked at "charging" ICs but then that doesn't help with discharge, or passthrough :(
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2018-08-07T18:13:44 < Steffanx> i believe there is also something in zypsnips but not sure
2018-08-07T18:14:05 < karlp> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/battery-usb-separation.falstad
2018-08-07T18:14:19 < PaulFertser> Probably https://www.nxp.com/products/power-management/pmics:POWR_MAN_USER_INTERFACE ?
2018-08-07T18:14:47 < Steffanx> and https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/battery-lipo-charging.txt - BQ24075 - which also does path management
2018-08-07T18:15:01 < Thorn> I remember reading that tp4056 currently available are clones of a clone and barely work
2018-08-07T18:15:19 < karlp> Thorn: *shrugs* works is relative of course
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2018-08-07T18:16:50 < zyp> hmm
2018-08-07T18:17:35 < zyp> almost tempted to dig out my tag collection to see if I have any ntags, then hack up some code to write it to see how quick and reliable it is
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2018-08-07T18:19:36 < mawk> can light petroleum spirits be used for cleaning flux ?
2018-08-07T18:19:41 < mawk> instead of IPA
2018-08-07T18:20:27 < zyp> why?
2018-08-07T18:20:37 < mawk> because it's what I have at home
2018-08-07T18:20:55 < zyp> if you have it, just try it
2018-08-07T18:21:10 < mawk> I did, and it seems to work okay
2018-08-07T18:21:16 < mawk> but maybe IPA works way better
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2018-08-07T18:26:34 < catphish> perhaps i don't need anything more complicated than a current limited voltage regulator that feeds both the battery and the load
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2018-08-07T18:30:36 < karlp> here we go inventing shit again....
2018-08-07T18:30:40 < englishman> catphish: TI calls them power path controllers
2018-08-07T18:30:42 < englishman> iirc
2018-08-07T18:31:07 < catphish> i don't think a voltage regulator is much of an invention :)
2018-08-07T18:31:10 < zyp> found a couple of ntag203 tags
2018-08-07T18:31:18 < englishman> used one of them as a 1S controller a while ago
2018-08-07T18:31:30 < catphish> englishman: are you english?
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2018-08-07T18:31:41 < englishman> i speak the language
2018-08-07T18:31:52 < catphish> good start
2018-08-07T18:35:26 < catphish> englishman: like this :) http://www.ti.com/product/bq24072
2018-08-07T18:35:39 < bitmask> haha, picked up one of those $2 smd vacuums, what a piece of shit
2018-08-07T18:36:20 < englishman> yes one of those exactly
2018-08-07T18:36:32 < karlp> yes, like steffanx linked from zypsnips...
2018-08-07T18:37:24 < englishman> they go from simple 3x3 ICs to huge complicated ones with hundreds k flash and logging and whatever that i2c power protocol is
2018-08-07T18:37:47 < karlp> smbus
2018-08-07T18:37:49 < karlp> and pmbus
2018-08-07T18:37:57 < englishman> yes that thanks :)
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2018-08-07T19:22:08 < catphish> something these battery ICs seem to lack is low voltage cutoff
2018-08-07T19:24:55 < karlp> that's often implemented int he battery protection ic, often built into the battery
2018-08-07T19:30:39 < englishman> you can usually implement it yourself, so the mcu can shut itself off
2018-08-07T19:30:49 < englishman> ie with voltage divider, adc and some kind of disable input
2018-08-07T19:32:24 < catphish> i can certainly do that
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2018-08-07T19:33:11 < karlp> voltage low?
2018-08-07T19:33:15 < englishman> and off he goes, to do exactly that
2018-08-07T19:33:21 < karlp> guess they don't need an IC afterall.
2018-08-07T19:33:56 < englishman> yeah afaik those little ones are designed to be connected directly to  dumb 1S lipo cell, no active protections
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2018-08-07T19:36:33 < c10ud> university of notthingham students may start to wonder why they're so often banned
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2018-08-07T19:55:40 < Ultrasauce> collateral blaxtage
2018-08-07T19:56:41 < englishman> ublox F9P devboard on its way to me
2018-08-07T19:57:54 < Steffanx> nda sir, nda.
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2018-08-07T20:05:09 < Laurenceb> supppp
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2018-08-07T20:30:51 < tomeaton17> must be a shitposting society at the uni :p
2018-08-07T20:34:35 < Steffanx> i know what uni tomeaton17 will attend to :P
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2018-08-07T20:48:50 < Thorn> oh btw there is a big heatsink (like one you'd put onto a big bga) and thermal paste included with the extruder
2018-08-07T20:48:55 < Thorn> is it for the motor? lol
2018-08-07T20:49:21 < Thorn> anyway I assembled the extruder using a "normal" sized motor
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2018-08-07T20:54:38 < zyp> Thorn, it's for the cold side of the hotend
2018-08-07T20:55:03 < zyp> wait, you bought a v6 clone, wtf would you need that for then?
2018-08-07T20:55:34 < zyp> what extruder did you buy?
2018-08-07T20:56:06 < Thorn> titan clone
2018-08-07T20:56:10 < zyp> pics
2018-08-07T20:56:51 < Thorn> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1nAXHnnJYBeNjy1zeq6yhzVXay.jpg  https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1Xnf0ACtYBeNjSspaq6yOOFXa7.jpg
2018-08-07T20:57:14 < Thorn> (the heatsink I'm talking about is not there)
2018-08-07T20:58:34 < zyp> okay
2018-08-07T20:58:45 < zyp> maybe it got dropped in by accident :p
2018-08-07T20:59:24 < zyp> if it's one of those small ones with double sided tape, it might be meant for the motor drivers
2018-08-07T21:00:12 < Cracki> 5x5 mm?
2018-08-07T21:00:16 < Cracki> for the stepper driver
2018-08-07T21:02:19 < Thorn> 40x40mm
2018-08-07T21:02:34 < Cracki> that's not for any stepper driver
2018-08-07T21:02:36 < Ultrasauce> yep sounds like it goes on the motor
2018-08-07T21:02:53 < Ultrasauce> i have that extruder and the motor hits about 70C if i'm going fast
2018-08-07T21:03:19 < Cracki> steppers do need heat sinking. that's usually done through the flange face
2018-08-07T21:03:46 < Cracki> if you drive it at less than full current, it won't get as hot
2018-08-07T21:14:18 < Steffanx> someone here into solidworks, or do you guys all autocad?
2018-08-07T21:15:18 < Cracki> lel autocad
2018-08-07T21:15:21 < Cracki> inventor or fusion
2018-08-07T21:15:45 < Steffanx> or those two
2018-08-07T21:15:51 < jpa-> freecad or blender
2018-08-07T21:17:20 < Steffanx> i always confuse inventor and autocad -_-.
2018-08-07T21:29:57 < Steffanx> ty anyway.
2018-08-07T21:32:41 < Laurenceb> f r e e c a d
2018-08-07T21:35:06 < zyp> fusion is the only thing I've tried designing anything in
2018-08-07T21:35:25 < Cracki> freecad is a poor clone of what commercial solid cad was 15 years ago
2018-08-07T21:35:25 < zyp> I've tried freecad for viewing stuff, UI doesn't seem very intuitive
2018-08-07T21:35:55 < Laurenceb> works for me
2018-08-07T21:36:16 < Steffanx> Anyway, this wasnt about who uses what. I needed some solidwork help. :)
2018-08-07T21:36:20 < zyp> openscad seems interesting too, but I'm too lazy to learn it
2018-08-07T21:36:23 < jadew> I couldn't get used to freecad either
2018-08-07T21:36:23 < Steffanx> *need
2018-08-07T21:36:48 < jadew> openscad is great for quick, parametrized stuff
2018-08-07T21:36:58 < Cracki> youtube: solidworks tutorial?
2018-08-07T21:37:17 < jadew> but it has some limitations - as long as you know them before starting to work on a design, you should be fine
2018-08-07T21:37:20 < Cracki> btw, how long does an european wasp live when I put it in a closed cup?
2018-08-07T21:37:29 < zyp> jadew, I like the «source files you can throw in git and do sane revision control of» part
2018-08-07T21:37:40 < Steffanx> i love you too Cracki.
2018-08-07T21:37:57 < Cracki> ##solidworks32
2018-08-07T21:38:12 < Steffanx> ##crackilovers32
2018-08-07T21:38:13 < Cracki> make a sketch, extrude, repeat
2018-08-07T21:38:26 < jadew> generally speaking I prefer openscad, instead of fusion, it's more easy to keep track of things and of parameters, but there are some things that it just can't do
2018-08-07T21:39:13 < Cracki> openscad doesn't have constraints that solve themselves. you have to calculate everything.
2018-08-07T21:39:28 < Cracki> or... lift it up into python and throw the kitchen sink at the problem
2018-08-07T21:39:33 < jadew> Cracki, that's absolutely no problem tho
2018-08-07T21:39:38 < Cracki> orly
2018-08-07T21:39:42 < jadew> you don't have to calculate
2018-08-07T21:39:48 < jadew> you just say x + length
2018-08-07T21:39:51 < jadew> that's the constraint
2018-08-07T21:39:57 < Cracki> openscad has no constraints
2018-08-07T21:40:20 < jadew> the point is that you don't need them
2018-08-07T21:40:42 < Cracki> if I want an upside down cone with a sphere tangent to its side surface...
2018-08-07T21:40:49 < Cracki> the point is that it lacks them
2018-08-07T21:41:11 < jadew> you can create the sphere before turning it upside down
2018-08-07T21:41:12 < Cracki> for this you'd have to use pythagoras, not simply click shit and say "tangent"
2018-08-07T21:41:23 < jadew> and yeah, you have to use pythagoras
2018-08-07T21:41:31 < Cracki> cone origin is not sphere origin
2018-08-07T21:41:36 < jadew> but I don't see that as its biggest weakness
2018-08-07T21:41:48 < Cracki> it's a usability deficit
2018-08-07T21:42:17 < jadew> it's biggest problem is the inability to easily create chamfers and fillets
2018-08-07T21:42:23 < Cracki> solvers let you do things easily you would otherwise have to calculate manually
2018-08-07T21:42:27 < Cracki> ah that
2018-08-07T21:42:31 < Cracki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2018-08-07T21:42:50 < Cracki> how would you want to "easily" do these, while still having to write down text?
2018-08-07T21:43:00 < Cracki> it's a turing tarpit
2018-08-07T21:43:02 < Cracki> like LaTeX is
2018-08-07T21:43:11 < jadew> yeah, it wouldn't be easy
2018-08-07T21:44:09 < jpa-> also lack of STEP output is a big downer
2018-08-07T21:44:29 < jpa-> but if you want constraints, solvespace is nice
2018-08-07T21:44:36 < Cracki> I heard of that
2018-08-07T21:44:46 < Cracki> it's more like proper cad
2018-08-07T21:45:05 < Cracki> openscad is like povray... but nobody knows povray
2018-08-07T21:45:21 < Cracki> povray at least works with matrices and vectors
2018-08-07T21:45:21 < jadew> solvespace doesn't have chamfers or fillets either
2018-08-07T21:45:29 < Cracki> openscad hasn't invented matrices yet
2018-08-07T21:45:37 < jadew> at least in openscad you can make libraries for that
2018-08-07T21:45:41 < Cracki> if you want modern features, use commercial software
2018-08-07T21:46:01 < Cracki> "assembly doesn't have memory management / yes, but you can make a library for it"
2018-08-07T21:46:59 < Cracki> it's a tool for a certain range of applications. practical solid cad is not it.
2018-08-07T21:47:17 < ds2> freecad makes an okay format translator :D
2018-08-07T21:48:13 < ds2> but it is dog slow
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2018-08-07T22:03:50 < c10ud> if you're making enclosures for your electronics freecad is just enough, I would say more than enough
2018-08-07T22:04:11 < c10ud> there's a learning curve but it's not bad after all
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2018-08-07T22:24:30 < bitmask> fusion360
2018-08-07T22:31:49 < Steffanx> ty ##solidworks32 problem solved.
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2018-08-07T22:39:30 < karlp> I like how cracki has assumed the  mantle of "there's only one way to do it, and everythign else is stupid" while dongs is out.
2018-08-07T22:39:33 < karlp> it's good to know.
2018-08-07T22:39:38 < karlp> nature abhors a vaccum and all that.
2018-08-07T22:39:59 < Cracki> do you want attention?
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2018-08-07T22:41:31 < Steffanx> just give capacitor some attention. The poor lad woke up early again.
2018-08-07T22:44:37 < capacitor> Gday sport
2018-08-07T22:45:43 < capacitor> Grease me up
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2018-08-07T22:57:13 < tomeaton17> Steffanx, I am not a shitposter :(
2018-08-07T22:57:39 < Steffanx> im sorry for the terrible joke tomeaton17
2018-08-07T22:58:03 < tomeaton17> Steffanx, 
2018-08-07T22:58:19 < tomeaton17> :p I don't shitpost on my serious nick
2018-08-07T22:58:32 < Steffanx> is that you Laurence?
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2018-08-07T22:59:23 < tomeaton17> haha
2018-08-07T22:59:25 < tomeaton17> exposed
2018-08-07T23:00:59 < capacitor> Brackster
2018-08-07T23:01:08 < tomeaton17> that was a joke btw I have never shitposted in my life
2018-08-07T23:01:24 < Ultrasauce> shitposting is a serious crime
2018-08-07T23:01:28 < Cracki> all quality memes ;)
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2018-08-07T23:22:24 < Cracki> the worst part of open windows is the wasps. I need a fence for my windows.
2018-08-07T23:22:59 < tomeaton17> Its called a screen
2018-08-07T23:23:45 < Cracki> *WASPs
2018-08-07T23:24:52 < BrainDamage> get a mosquito net
2018-08-07T23:25:32 < Cracki> i need some ICE
2018-08-07T23:25:53 < BrainDamage> drugs are bad
2018-08-07T23:26:03 < kakimir> internal combustion engine?
2018-08-07T23:26:48 < Cracki> solid h2o plus flavors
2018-08-07T23:27:10 < Cracki> also Insects and Crawlies Extermination
2018-08-07T23:27:28 < Cracki> i had some funny bugs visiting me here already
2018-08-07T23:28:06 < Cracki> those I tend to defenestrate. the wasps get curbstomped on the sill.
2018-08-07T23:28:09 < Steffanx> !wz cracki
2018-08-07T23:28:11 < englishbot> [Crackington Haven, United Kingdom] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 15.8°C. SW wind: 1.4 kph.
2018-08-07T23:28:19 < Cracki> where else but the uk
2018-08-07T23:28:25 < kakimir> !wz oulu
2018-08-07T23:28:27 < englishbot> [Oulu, Finland] Clear. Temp is 13.5°C. Humidity: 85%.
2018-08-07T23:28:33 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-08-07T23:28:34 < kakimir> !wz kaki
2018-08-07T23:28:34 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 26.8°C. SSE wind: 2.1 kph. Humidity: 58%.
2018-08-07T23:28:35 < englishbot> [Kaki Barama, Niger] Clear. Temp is 28°C. WSW wind: 22 kph. Humidity: 66%.
2018-08-07T23:38:08 < Laurenceb> arg lunix
2018-08-07T23:38:12 < Laurenceb> I hate this shit
2018-08-07T23:38:25 < Laurenceb> why cant we just run vzworks on our desktops or something
2018-08-07T23:38:28 < Laurenceb> *vx
2018-08-07T23:40:02 < capacitor> Winpros10
2018-08-07T23:40:09 < Laurenceb> maybe
2018-08-07T23:40:14 < Laurenceb> gpsd is segfaulting
2018-08-07T23:40:16 < Laurenceb> AGAIN
2018-08-07T23:41:12 < Laurenceb> libgps.so.23
2018-08-07T23:41:14 < Laurenceb> whyyyy
2018-08-07T23:41:56 < capacitor> Freedoms
2018-08-07T23:42:00 < capacitor> That’s why
2018-08-07T23:42:50 < Laurenceb> fuck this shit
2018-08-07T23:43:05 < Laurenceb> segfault central in the middle of a binary blob shit
2018-08-07T23:45:18 < Laurenceb> another fun day of banging my head against a brick wall tomorrow
2018-08-07T23:45:18 < englishman> Steffanx: what do you need
2018-08-07T23:45:46 < englishman> who is Cracki 
2018-08-07T23:45:50 < englishman> does he chat about stm32
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2018-08-07T23:47:45 < Cracki> maybe? sometimes? do you need me to prove something to you?
2018-08-07T23:48:04 < Cracki> will you judge me?
2018-08-07T23:49:34 < Steffanx> I wanted some torsion spring to move with the part(s) its connected to, englishman. 
2018-08-07T23:49:59 < englishman> yikes
2018-08-07T23:50:14 < englishman> sounds like a complicated job for professionals
2018-08-07T23:50:28 < Steffanx> I knew what i had to do, but i failed to make it work
2018-08-07T23:50:32 < Steffanx> But it works now.
2018-08-07T23:51:04 < Steffanx> Not sure why it didnt work, i just couldnt change some part dimension in the assembly
2018-08-07T23:52:55 < Steffanx> Is easier than you might think, englishman. 
2018-08-07T23:53:58 < Steffanx> Springs and stuff a pretty easy to animate or to make them depend on some other part's position.
2018-08-07T23:54:03 < Steffanx> Are*
2018-08-07T23:54:05 < zyp> Cracki, Laurenceb judges everybody
2018-08-07T23:54:22 < Cracki> he has no op here, englishman does. it's an implied threat.
2018-08-07T23:54:23 < zyp> oh, sorry, I confused the nicks
2018-08-07T23:54:31 < Steffanx> Does that make Laurenceb a judge?
2018-08-07T23:54:45 < zyp> hope englishman doesn't get too offended I mistook him for Laurenceb
2018-08-07T23:55:43 < Cracki> they have so many letters in common! a,e,n,l!
2018-08-07T23:55:54 < Steffanx> Cracki has issues with OPs, better not show him your true power, zyp
2018-08-07T23:56:13 < zyp> oh, is that it
2018-08-07T23:56:20 < Cracki> fake news
2018-08-07T23:56:31 < Cracki> I'm only wary of ops who imply they want to purity-test me
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2018-08-07T23:56:44 < Steffanx> Not entirely fake. Its based on the truth.
2018-08-07T23:56:56 < Cracki> like most stories are.
2018-08-07T23:57:04 < Steffanx> Kinda.
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2018-08-07T23:57:38 <@Cracki> so what is this about a spring you want to model? is it supposed to exert force on the other parts?
2018-08-07T23:57:39 < Steffanx> Awh
2018-08-07T23:58:06 <@Cracki> I'm no tyrant, that's my weakness ;)
2018-08-07T23:58:19 < Steffanx> Not really force based, yet. It was mainly about animation (at this moment)
2018-08-07T23:58:30 <@Cracki> I saw stuff on grabcad for that
2018-08-07T23:58:45 <@Cracki> things that maintain constant radius, unlike the real deal
2018-08-07T23:59:09 <@Cracki> btw, there's a way to get cad models into matlab simscape. then you can simulate physical interactions.
2018-08-07T23:59:19 < Steffanx> Yes, i actually got the idea from there, but couldnt make it work, just because i couldnt click on some dimension label.
2018-08-07T23:59:25 < Steffanx> Still not sure why not.
2018-08-07T23:59:26 < capacitor> i was watchin a video on the innernet the other day
2018-08-07T23:59:28 <@Cracki> it's not omnipotent tho. there's a contact forces library, but not built in
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2018-08-08T00:00:20 < Cracki> so if you wanted to model a bouncing ball, there's an article describing three approaches (penalty forces/implied elastics, some other approaches)
2018-08-08T00:00:39 < Cracki> I figure similar "fakery" would be needed for a torsional spring
2018-08-08T00:00:53 < Cracki> even in solid cad programs that *can* do simulation
2018-08-08T00:01:08 < capacitor> cracker
2018-08-08T00:01:10 < Cracki> or just finite elements all the things
2018-08-08T00:02:01 < Steffanx> Current it just changes the number of rotations based on the angle of some other part, so it actually changes the length of the spring wire -_-.
2018-08-08T00:02:14 < Steffanx> So what you said. Kinda
2018-08-08T00:02:15 < Cracki> so you made a wire winder
2018-08-08T00:02:26 < Cracki> I guess that's useful too
2018-08-08T00:02:53 < Steffanx> Its actually grabcad tutorials do it.
2018-08-08T00:02:57 < Steffanx> How*
2018-08-08T00:02:57 < kakimir> upgrdman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4RIBmM2ZF0
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2018-08-08T00:04:41 < Cracki> hm... traction control for train wheels
2018-08-08T00:04:42 < englishman> zyp, these china chargers are already faster than the nissan one, I can set it to 16A and it will pull ~15.2A from a 15A circuit
2018-08-08T00:04:54 < englishman> nissan is 12A
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2018-08-08T00:05:05 < zyp> what voltage?
2018-08-08T00:05:08 < englishman> 120
2018-08-08T00:05:15 < englishman> NEMA 5-15 gets a little toasty
2018-08-08T00:05:31 < zyp> ah, makes sense
2018-08-08T00:05:37 < englishman> this weekend i should have time to run the new 14-50 plug and gfci
2018-08-08T00:05:46 < zyp> IIRC leaf has 3.3kW modules
2018-08-08T00:05:54 < englishman> standard yes, mine has 6.6kW as well
2018-08-08T00:06:08 < zyp> isn't that just two 3.3kW modules?
2018-08-08T00:06:12 < englishman> no idea
2018-08-08T00:06:33 < englishman> chademo is also optional, the 6.6kW feature comes with the chademo option
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2018-08-08T00:08:36 < zyp> haha, yeah
2018-08-08T00:08:55 < zyp> who the fuck buys leaf without chademo though
2018-08-08T00:10:02 < englishman> early ones had manual windows apparently
2018-08-08T00:10:09 < zyp> that's even worse than people buying the mercedes B250e
2018-08-08T00:10:45 < englishman> it appears to be a second, 6.6kW charger
2018-08-08T00:10:53 < englishman> tho maybe it's a second 3.3kW
2018-08-08T00:10:59 < englishman> early models had the second charger in the back
2018-08-08T00:11:04 < englishman> reducing cargo space
2018-08-08T00:11:32 < upgrdman> kakimir, im at work atm. whats neat about that vid?
2018-08-08T00:11:55 < kakimir> just enterntainment
2018-08-08T00:11:59 < Steffanx> Its some train race game or something..
2018-08-08T00:11:59 < kakimir> animation short
2018-08-08T00:12:00 < bitmask> o/
2018-08-08T00:12:05 < Steffanx> Oh no game?
2018-08-08T00:12:15 < upgrdman> o ok
2018-08-08T00:12:23 < upgrdman> will watch tonight then
2018-08-08T00:12:48 < Steffanx> I heard englishman is going to buy that new mini tesla. The one elon didnt announce yet 
2018-08-08T00:13:05 < englishman> tesla might go private, apparently
2018-08-08T00:13:12 < Steffanx> Yeah read that too.
2018-08-08T00:13:33 < upgrdman> "screws you guys, im taking tesla home" /cartman
2018-08-08T00:13:50 < kakimir> ?
2018-08-08T00:14:19 < kakimir> tesla goes private first thing it starts to make moonah
2018-08-08T00:14:27 < kakimir> moolah*
2018-08-08T00:15:00 < zyp> englishman, you used chademo much?
2018-08-08T00:15:14 < englishman> 3-4 times so fr
2018-08-08T00:15:14 < kakimir> I said when elon musk did pedo rant that it would be good time to buy
2018-08-08T00:15:17 < englishman> in 3500km
2018-08-08T00:15:25 < zyp> what power do you get?
2018-08-08T00:15:34 < kakimir> how does it look would I have made money with that guess?
2018-08-08T00:15:49 < englishman> peaks at about 47kW
2018-08-08T00:15:55 < englishman> 395V@120A
2018-08-08T00:16:05 < zyp> cool, that's more than mine does
2018-08-08T00:16:06 < englishman> peak motor regen is around the same
2018-08-08T00:16:28 < zyp> how long does it stay at that level though?
2018-08-08T00:16:32 < englishman> not very long
2018-08-08T00:16:36 < englishman> i could log the next one
2018-08-08T00:16:44 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/Ki2MuBh.jpg
2018-08-08T00:17:05 < englishman> above 70% it slows down to sub 80A
2018-08-08T00:17:50 < zyp> most chargers here don't show fun stats like that, just time spent and energy delivered
2018-08-08T00:18:14 < zyp> the 350kW ones did though
2018-08-08T00:18:33 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/f6hpA.jpg
2018-08-08T00:20:26 < zyp> my battery voltage's lower, so that's why power is lower at the same current
2018-08-08T00:20:34 < englishman> nice screen
2018-08-08T00:20:46 < zyp> did I show the other pics?
2018-08-08T00:20:52 < englishman> oh wow, much lower
2018-08-08T00:20:59 < englishman> if you did i did not see them
2018-08-08T00:21:09 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/o5YEM.jpg
2018-08-08T00:21:30 < englishman> that one i saw lol
2018-08-08T00:21:34 < englishman> serious power
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2018-08-08T00:21:50 < kakimir> gambling with stock value is really weird activity
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2018-08-08T00:22:06 < kakimir> you do the exact opposite you feel is okay
2018-08-08T00:22:44 < zyp> apparently that's the only one I posted, think I got some more on my phone
2018-08-08T00:24:42 < kakimir> do you think gambling with stock values is morally acceptable?
2018-08-08T00:25:08 < kakimir> or in any way beneficial to individual in long term
2018-08-08T00:25:46 < englishman> these are zyp's memorable holiday photos, of the local scenery
2018-08-08T00:26:02 < englishman> glad you had a good vacation
2018-08-08T00:26:21 < englishman> you can show your grandkids this photo album
2018-08-08T00:27:42 < zyp> haha
2018-08-08T00:28:07 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/Eo5rD.jpg <- here's the charging towers
2018-08-08T00:28:12 < zyp> there's six of them
2018-08-08T00:28:30 < zyp> and then there's that (comparably) sad 50kW charger in the background
2018-08-08T00:29:36 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/Qx1ou.jpg <- chargers themselves was placed next to the parking lot, tesla style
2018-08-08T00:29:56 < zyp> apparently two chargers to each cabinet and a separate cabinet with the radiators for the liquid cooling system
2018-08-08T00:31:09 < zyp> I suspect it might be just 350kW per cabinet, divided between two towers, also tesla style
2018-08-08T00:31:28 < capacitor> ty for the charge
2018-08-08T00:31:41 < zyp> ya, it was free of charge
2018-08-08T00:31:52 < capacitor> even better
2018-08-08T00:32:29 < Steffanx> Charging capacitor comes at a cost...
2018-08-08T00:32:49 < capacitor> excuse me buddy, 'ave you got any joules mate?
2018-08-08T00:33:03 < zyp> the .nl charging operator had these cute solar roofs over all their stations: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/H3Dlm.jpg
2018-08-08T00:33:44 < bitmask> kinda useless without any sun :)
2018-08-08T00:33:58 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-08-08T00:33:59 < capacitor> enough for 1 airconditioner on an australian summer day ;)
2018-08-08T00:34:01 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 26.3°C. SE wind: 1.8 kph. Humidity: 57%.
2018-08-08T00:34:17 < bitmask> !wz long branch
2018-08-08T00:34:18 < englishbot> [Long Branch, New Jersey] Clear. Temp is 28.3°C but feels like 33°C. WSW wind: 1.1 kph. Humidity: 82%.
2018-08-08T00:34:28 < Steffanx> Nu sun he says, it still f-ing hot (because it was sunny all day long)
2018-08-08T00:34:31 < Steffanx> No
2018-08-08T00:34:41 < zyp> I wonder if those stations create more energy than they use on average
2018-08-08T00:34:54 < zyp> I'm guessing that roof is something like 9 kWp
2018-08-08T00:35:24 < bitmask> this print is tough, keeps failing for different reasons, I'm on attempt #5
2018-08-08T00:35:59 < zyp> which print?
2018-08-08T00:36:12 < bitmask> its like a fan blade, tricky
2018-08-08T00:36:33 < bitmask> https://cdn.thingiverse.com/renders/00/8b/c4/c6/a6/b0774cc95740c247eb8322c01cfd6c96_preview_featured.jpg
2018-08-08T00:37:44 < zyp> with supports?
2018-08-08T00:38:59 < bitmask> I was only using a tiny bit of support, last print I beefed em up but then the nozzle clogged for some reason.  but as I was attempting to remove the supports of the failed print it was tough because the blades are so thin and they broke.  I'm trying with less contact with the supports now and slower
2018-08-08T00:39:55 < bitmask> the nozzle keeps hitting everything
2018-08-08T00:40:18 < bitmask> maybe a z hop will help
2018-08-08T00:40:56 < BrainDamage> can you print https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6gGNjDlJEWY/maxresdefault.jpg 
2018-08-08T00:41:19 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/VQbJMnB.png
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2018-08-08T00:42:45 < zyp> the gap in the shadow gives it away a bit
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2018-08-08T00:45:57 < capacitor> BrainDamage: it blew it up
2018-08-08T00:47:59 < Cracki> the infill and shell patterns too
2018-08-08T00:48:23 < Cracki> and the blur :P
2018-08-08T00:48:54 < bitmask> geez, its still cool
2018-08-08T00:49:42 < zyp> haven't said otherwise :)
2018-08-08T00:50:38 < bitmask> :)
2018-08-08T00:51:17 < bitmask> almost at the halfway point in the print, if it lasts another 10-20 min and connects with the supports I think I might make it
2018-08-08T00:52:21 < bitmask> it started lifting but I managed to squirt some pva on the brim and it seems to be holding
2018-08-08T00:58:24 < Steffanx> Didnt you know you were in ##partypoopers32 bitmask ? ;)
2018-08-08T00:59:00 < bitmask> I never learn
2018-08-08T01:00:42 < bitmask> the sign of an addict
2018-08-08T01:00:50 < Steffanx> not my words.
2018-08-08T01:02:09 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbXhxn_5nuU when you only know 5 notes but you gotta set the club on fire
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2018-08-08T01:07:45 < Cracki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QrynzJ_lZ4
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2018-08-08T01:08:00 < Cracki> how carbide inserts are made
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2018-08-08T01:12:02 < capacitor> silly old dogs been running after the steam trains again
2018-08-08T01:20:53 < capacitor> greetings to r2com
2018-08-08T01:23:01 < bitmask> success! it just joined at the top
2018-08-08T01:40:57 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/JEKTQTg.png
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2018-08-08T01:59:53 < Cracki> does it make wind?
2018-08-08T02:00:28 < srk> pretty cool
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2018-08-08T02:22:13 < mawk> Thorn: I tried to soak the braid in flux, now it works way better
2018-08-08T02:22:16 < mawk> thanks
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2018-08-08T02:27:55 < Laurenceb__> sup my dank friends
2018-08-08T02:28:52 < Laurenceb__> muh gpsd
2018-08-08T02:35:54 < Laurenceb__> debating if compiling gpsd with debug support is worth it...
2018-08-08T02:36:30 < karlp> ffs. havianas says, "you're iceland, cool." right up until you need to choose a delivery address.
2018-08-08T02:36:37 < karlp> then it's no iceland, you're not european enough
2018-08-08T02:36:45 < karlp> order to a hotel in america, cool...
2018-08-08T02:36:57 < karlp> except, billing address for ccard can now only be in america.
2018-08-08T02:38:58 < BrainDamage> I had a form in canada where I asked me what USA / canada region I was from
2018-08-08T02:39:15 < BrainDamage> this after I picked the country
2018-08-08T02:43:33 < karlp> heh, opladning.
2018-08-08T02:45:21 < Laurenceb__> up-lad-ing
2018-08-08T02:46:14 < Laurenceb__> I wonder if spacex is trolling when they say they use embedded lunix
2018-08-08T02:46:23 < Laurenceb__> and actually they use a sane rtos
2018-08-08T02:46:39 < karlp> that 3d printed impossible triangle was cool
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2018-08-08T02:49:15 < tomeaton17> tr0lling is lif3
2018-08-08T02:51:41 < Cracki> have a cat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfc3J2FblNI
2018-08-08T02:53:06 < Laurenceb__> I have a ....
2018-08-08T02:53:12 < Laurenceb__> SEGFAULT
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2018-08-08T02:57:07 < tomeaton17> i ike coronna
2018-08-08T02:59:44 < Cracki> tesla going private at $420/share
2018-08-08T02:59:49 < Cracki> (so not yet)
2018-08-08T03:01:57 < bitmask> https://youtu.be/7a7-P7lmuMk
2018-08-08T03:08:19 < Cracki> how is that supported? magnetic magic?
2018-08-08T03:08:23 < Cracki> don't see any bearings
2018-08-08T03:08:48 < tomeaton17> ok
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2018-08-08T03:09:16 < Laurenceb__> muh orbo
2018-08-08T03:09:50 < BrainDamage> Cracki: magic finger
2018-08-08T03:10:17 < BrainDamage> it's resting on the thumb on a sid
2018-08-08T03:11:28 < tomeaton17> nottingham = autist haven
2018-08-08T03:12:50 < Laurenceb__> le château autiste
2018-08-08T03:12:59 < bitmask> its magnets but I was having trouble placing em to get it right so my thumb is adding a bit of support until i figure it out
2018-08-08T03:13:07 < Cracki> ^
2018-08-08T03:13:10 < Cracki> knew it!
2018-08-08T03:13:13 < Cracki> good stuff
2018-08-08T03:19:38 < Cracki> alex jones banned from linkedin
2018-08-08T03:20:09 < tomeaton17> rip alex jones
2018-08-08T03:20:25 < tomeaton17> I dedicated my alevel coursework to alex jones
2018-08-08T03:21:43 < tomeaton17> https://tomeaton.uk/compscicwork.pdf see page 2
2018-08-08T03:22:37 < Cracki> <3
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2018-08-08T03:23:19 < tomeaton17> yeah
2018-08-08T03:23:29 < tomeaton17> I was autistic back then lol
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2018-08-08T03:24:07 < Cracki> >Stones collide
2018-08-08T03:24:09 < Cracki> o.o
2018-08-08T03:24:36 < tomeaton17> ok
2018-08-08T03:24:43 < Cracki> take x component of velocity to know when each stone is launched...
2018-08-08T03:25:02 < Cracki> wait, they are thrown simultaneously?
2018-08-08T03:25:07 < Cracki> ah, alpha is the variable
2018-08-08T03:25:40 < tomeaton17> yeah
2018-08-08T03:26:01 < tomeaton17> I dont remember that 
2018-08-08T03:26:09 < tomeaton17> but they were .a
2018-08-08T03:26:28 < tomeaton17> like wow it looks so amazing so have an a*
2018-08-08T03:26:29 < tomeaton17> ok]
2018-08-08T03:27:04 < bitmask> ahh got it to float, I think the 4x10 magnets are weaker than claimed, I added a couple of smaller ones to the ends and now it works
2018-08-08T03:27:06 < Cracki> thunder! pls pls pls let it rain
2018-08-08T03:27:18 < bitmask> maybe this silky PLA is a bit heavier
2018-08-08T03:27:25 < Cracki> you calculated the magnetic field or what?
2018-08-08T03:27:28 < Cracki> or that
2018-08-08T03:27:29 < tomeaton17> My a level coursework was trash
2018-08-08T03:27:34 < Cracki> got a scale for that range?
2018-08-08T03:27:35 < tomeaton17> I was only 17
2018-08-08T03:27:39 < bitmask> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:560573
2018-08-08T03:27:43 < tomeaton17> please dont go too hard
2018-08-08T03:27:44 < Cracki> it's supposed to be trash
2018-08-08T03:28:12 < tomeaton17> really?
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2018-08-08T03:30:03 < Cracki> eh what do I know, we didn't have to do such stuff. we had our Abitur exams and that was it.
2018-08-08T03:30:25 < tomeaton17> Abitur??
2018-08-08T03:30:41 < Cracki> the first "pre-seminar" at univ was all about how to do lit research and how to summarize, and how to use latex, and how to hold a presentation
2018-08-08T03:31:02 < Cracki> a-levels in germoney
2018-08-08T03:32:11 < tomeaton17> I havent gone to uni yet
2018-08-08T03:32:20 < tomeaton17> I start in septembr
2018-08-08T03:34:37 < tomeaton17> pls domt kick me im not a millenial in genration z
2018-08-08T03:34:50 < bitmask> I graduate right before you start
2018-08-08T03:35:25 < Cracki> if they have a math refresher course, take it. at least in germany, a levels/abitur means shit, every state can set their own material to cover. unis have to review all the basics you're supposed to have had, but might not have.
2018-08-08T03:35:35 < Cracki> generation zyklon
2018-08-08T03:36:57 < tomeaton17> I will take what they offe5
2018-08-08T03:37:08 < tomeaton17> but my math is pretty good
2018-08-08T03:37:33 < sync> start working them diff eqs
2018-08-08T03:37:38 < Cracki> they'll show you math in a way you haven't seen... unless it's a second rate uni
2018-08-08T03:37:57 < sync> and polynomal long division
2018-08-08T03:38:15 < tomeaton17> I did further maths a level in my gap yea
2018-08-08T03:38:16 < tomeaton17> r
2018-08-08T03:38:19 < sync> and step up your matrix game
2018-08-08T03:38:24 < Cracki> eh that's just hitting a matrix until it looks right
2018-08-08T03:38:53 < tomeaton17> further maths isssa lotta matrix
2018-08-08T03:38:58 < Cracki> uni math is different (if done well), they explain shit you already know differently, and more generally
2018-08-08T03:39:22 < Cracki> you will start to question the meaning of '0' and '1' and '+' and '*'
2018-08-08T03:39:53 < Cracki> they will prove 1>0 to you using only axioms and term rewriting
2018-08-08T03:40:45 < sync> just looking up what the further maths stuff is
2018-08-08T03:40:57 < sync> it is about math 1 level
2018-08-08T03:41:12 < sync> Cracki: it depends on the course
2018-08-08T03:41:17 < Cracki> yes
2018-08-08T03:41:19 < Cracki> and the uni
2018-08-08T03:41:29 < sync> at my uni they did not bother with axioms in EE
2018-08-08T03:41:39 < sync> in CS they do
2018-08-08T03:41:41 < Cracki> the technical college in my city doesn't to this crazy stuff, they focus on application
2018-08-08T03:41:49 < Cracki> also I'm a CS dude
2018-08-08T03:42:07 < sync> bawww, further maths doesn't make you do coordinate transformations
2018-08-08T03:42:11 < Cracki> wut
2018-08-08T03:42:14 < Cracki> those are simple
2018-08-08T03:42:19 < Cracki> all's a matrix mul
2018-08-08T03:42:24 < sync> ovb
2018-08-08T03:42:26 < sync> obv
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2018-08-08T03:42:38 < Cracki> unless you work in unspecified vector spaces
2018-08-08T03:42:56 < Cracki> or your vectors aren't numbers anymore
2018-08-08T03:42:59 < sync> "use substitution to reduce a given diff q to a second order eq with constant coefficients"
2018-08-08T03:43:07 < sync> dat complication
2018-08-08T03:43:09 < tomeaton17> I am hoping I am can breeze through first year uni
2018-08-08T03:43:24 < tomeaton17> so I can just take loads of drugs
2018-08-08T03:44:03 < sync> don't
2018-08-08T03:44:06 < sync> do that in 2nd year
2018-08-08T03:46:08 < tomeaton17> rea
2018-08-08T03:46:17 < tomeaton17> sync, reallyw 
2018-08-08T03:46:28 < tomeaton17> I have a headstart why
2018-08-08T03:46:36 < sync> you think you do
2018-08-08T03:46:45 < sync> but in reality, you don't
2018-08-08T03:47:41 < tomeaton17> I have been working with stn32 for a year
2018-08-08T03:48:42 < sync> that is of almost 0 relevance to studying
2018-08-08T03:49:13 < Cracki> depends
2018-08-08T03:49:33 < Cracki> even tho we're cs people, we have a mandatory uC lab
2018-08-08T03:49:44 < Cracki> the ee people likely have that too
2018-08-08T03:50:34 < tomeaton17> i hve good math and good c so I should be okay rite>>>>
2018-08-08T03:50:36 < tomeaton17> ?/?
2018-08-08T03:50:38 < Cracki> they have a lab where they use lego mindstorms with matlab... I think it's a balancing two-wheeler
2018-08-08T03:51:19 < Cracki> they'll make you use intercal, malbolge, ...
2018-08-08T03:51:42 < Cracki> they'll make you analyze poems
2018-08-08T03:52:46 < sync> well, in CS they make them do scheme
2018-08-08T03:52:51 < sync> at least here
2018-08-08T03:53:38 < sync> because almost nobody will have done scheme before
2018-08-08T03:53:39 < Cracki> scheme is fun
2018-08-08T03:53:46 < Cracki> they make us do haskell and prolog
2018-08-08T03:54:19 < sync> :)
2018-08-08T03:54:19 < Cracki> I would have been thrilled over a common lisp lab course, but nooo
2018-08-08T03:54:31 < sync> pfft, emacs hipsters
2018-08-08T03:54:39 < Cracki> pls no emacs "lisp"
2018-08-08T03:55:58 < Cracki> hmmm I'm browsing the contents of our ee bachelor's... maybe I'll do that after my cs master's beside the job
2018-08-08T03:57:16 < sync> meh, I can't be bothered to finish my masters
2018-08-08T03:58:01 < Cracki> it's a drag for me too but it is bound to converge if you manage some credits every semester
2018-08-08T03:58:13 < sync> yeah yeah
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2018-08-08T03:58:57 < Cracki> you know, we did verification and termination analysis in our first semester
2018-08-08T03:59:11 < Cracki> monotonic increase + upper bound = terminates
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2018-08-08T04:05:11 < Cracki> oh, this channel doesn't strip formatting...
2018-08-08T04:07:25 < Laurenceb__> wtf am i reading
2018-08-08T04:07:31 < Laurenceb__> dat pdf cant be real
2018-08-08T04:08:00 < Laurenceb__> kek I still remember when we used to watch alex jones videos in it room at school lunchtime
2018-08-08T04:08:02 < Laurenceb__> funtimes
2018-08-08T04:08:37 < Laurenceb__> p14 : GUI
2018-08-08T04:08:40 < Laurenceb__> CANCER
2018-08-08T04:08:54 < Cracki> wat r u reading
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2018-08-08T04:14:14 < Laurenceb__> trolleaton https://tomeaton.uk/compscicwork.pdf
2018-08-08T04:14:28 < Laurenceb__> >dedicated to alex jones
2018-08-08T04:14:41 < Laurenceb__> even the way its written is trollish
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2018-08-08T04:15:25 < Laurenceb__> >automated answering of exam questions
2018-08-08T04:16:24 < Laurenceb__> the troll is revealed https://tomeaton.uk/img/me.jpg
2018-08-08T04:19:02 < Cracki> now I feel like fish and chips
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2018-08-08T04:26:50 < Laurenceb__> > I am now taking a year out before University
2018-08-08T04:26:55 < Laurenceb__> a whole year of trolling
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2018-08-08T04:52:20 < bitmask> wow, gigamacro is neat
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2018-08-08T05:12:37 < tpw_rules> wtf is CK_PWR
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2018-08-08T05:15:28 < tpw_rules> it's in the datasheet, but not the reference manual
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2018-08-08T08:45:51 < jadew> did you guys see the new rigol?
2018-08-08T08:46:01 < jadew> MSO7000
2018-08-08T08:46:06 < jadew> 10 GSa/s
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2018-08-08T08:48:41 < jadew> only up to 500 MHz tho, but seems very capable
2018-08-08T08:48:49 < jadew> https://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/7000/
2018-08-08T08:50:03 < jadew> the pricing is weird tho
2018-08-08T08:50:13 < jadew> it seems similarly priced to the DS4000 series
2018-08-08T08:50:21 < jadew> maybe a little cheaper
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2018-08-08T08:50:32 < jadew> (I was hoping they'd lower the price on that one)
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2018-08-08T10:01:15 < con3> I cant seem to erase this damn chip
2018-08-08T10:02:10 < con3> pullin nrst low and everything, just keeps failing
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2018-08-08T10:05:35 < jpa-> does it fail with different error message when you pull NRST low?
2018-08-08T10:07:24 < con3> jpa-: same error message
2018-08-08T10:07:46 < con3> I've tried two pc's and two different boards using the st link utility, I have no idea whats going on
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2018-08-08T10:09:25 < jpa-> con3: what is the error message?
2018-08-08T10:10:12 < jpa-> also, when you don't pull NRST low, does it go high or does the chip keep it low (which would indicate a power supply problem)?
2018-08-08T10:10:18 < con3> jpa-: It says st link communication error
2018-08-08T10:10:33 < con3> I'll check quick
2018-08-08T10:12:04 < jpa-> hm, ok, not familiar with stlink's error messages
2018-08-08T10:12:53 < jpa-> openocd / texane/stlink would indicate different errors if NRST is held low, but they usually can't flash with NRST held down, so you need to release it at suitable time
2018-08-08T10:15:13 < Haohmaru> it's generally not uncommon for the reset pin to get f*cked up, i'd measure resistance from it towards GND and VDD
2018-08-08T10:15:26 < Haohmaru> if ya get low then something is f*cked up
2018-08-08T10:15:54 < con3> yeah it looks like it remains low
2018-08-08T10:15:55 < jpa-> if you can't dare to say "fucked", why even try?
2018-08-08T10:16:16 < jpa-> con3: check VDDA and VDD pins
2018-08-08T10:16:21 < Haohmaru> might be worth also checking the corresponding reset pin on the actual programmer
2018-08-08T10:17:09 < Haohmaru> jpa- i write "f*cked" and "sh*t" like that by habbit, it's not like i have to *think* and *decide* to write it that way.. it happens automagically
2018-08-08T10:17:25 < con3> https://imgur.com/a/qgrarcT check between pins 1 and 3 on the push button, all remain low
2018-08-08T10:17:31 < con3> will check vdd and vdda
2018-08-08T10:17:38 < jpa-> is habbit something like a hobbit?
2018-08-08T10:18:07 < Haohmaru> pff
2018-08-08T10:18:27 < Haohmaru> yeah it's eggzactly a hobbit
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2018-08-08T10:20:11 < Haohmaru> jpa- is "fugged up" and "shizzle" better?
2018-08-08T10:21:05 < capacitor> Wtf is this place again
2018-08-08T10:21:17 < Haohmaru> eggscuse moi
2018-08-08T10:21:53 < capacitor> Ebonics hub
2018-08-08T10:22:24 < con3> everything seems fine, except avdd is hovering at 1V
2018-08-08T10:22:33 < jpa-> so that is your problem
2018-08-08T10:22:54 < jpa-> STM32 will not start without AVDD
2018-08-08T10:23:22 < con3> thank you, will debug. this is very weird..
2018-08-08T10:25:43 < con3> so when resetting, I should pull nrst low and then release it when I start the chip erase?
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2018-08-08T10:31:37 < jpa-> if your code is particularly messed up, yeah; normally it's not needed
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2018-08-08T10:37:30 < con3> jpa-: Going to need to write better code :/
2018-08-08T10:48:13 < capacitor> Just pay steffan to fix it
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2018-08-08T10:54:29 < Steffanx> : I can neither confirm nor deny any specific action without the Secretary's approval
2018-08-08T10:55:00 < zyp> vdda should never be lower than vdd
2018-08-08T10:55:59 < zyp> they should generally come from the same supply, maybe with a ferrite bead in between to keep vdd noise away from vdda
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2018-08-08T10:56:53 < Steffanx> I believe it can be lower, when you dont use the adc. 
2018-08-08T10:57:21 < Steffanx> The datasheet says something about that in a table, but i might have misinterpreted
2018-08-08T10:57:37 < Steffanx> At least with f0.
2018-08-08T10:59:20 < capacitor> now here's a pack of cunts
2018-08-08T10:59:47 < capacitor> good to see you got out of bed steffan
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2018-08-08T11:04:20 < Steffanx> You dont know that.
2018-08-08T11:05:27 < capacitor> it is likely you're imaginary
2018-08-08T11:05:33 < capacitor> iSteffan
2018-08-08T11:09:07 < con3> Its weird cause its from a nucleo board I've pretty much never used
2018-08-08T11:15:45 < con3> board is back up and working, no idea whats wrong with the other nucleo 
2018-08-08T11:15:53 < con3> Thanks for the help everyone
2018-08-08T11:25:05 < zyp> Steffanx, IIRC vdd can be lower than vdda, but not the other way around
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2018-08-08T13:36:31 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/MvxAQ9N.gifv
2018-08-08T13:42:41 < Steffanx> when did innovating stop jadew?
2018-08-08T13:43:24 < jadew> yesterday morning, I hit something so difficult that I just can't get started working on it
2018-08-08T13:43:30 < jadew> I keep finding other things to do
2018-08-08T13:44:44 < jpa-> sounds familiar
2018-08-08T13:45:04 < jadew> I know what I have to do, it's just that it's so contrived and soul draning that I keep avoiding it
2018-08-08T13:45:06 < Steffanx> You can always help Laurence with his GUI.
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2018-08-08T13:48:26 < capacitor> lol
2018-08-08T13:48:59 < capacitor> gui sounds hard
2018-08-08T13:54:09 < jadew> just discovered this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhjH_9s1b5E
2018-08-08T13:54:18 < jadew> turns out the original has 1 billion views, but it's not as good
2018-08-08T13:58:33 < jpa-> it's not as bad as the music you linked the other day :P
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2018-08-08T13:58:43 < jadew> heh
2018-08-08T14:02:06 < karlp> original is better than this autotweaked garbage jade
2018-08-08T14:02:11 < karlp> you just like it because she's hotter.
2018-08-08T14:04:22 < jadew> karlp, I'll give it another try, but he seemed a bit too whiny for my taste
2018-08-08T14:05:18 < jpa-> he?
2018-08-08T14:05:29 < jadew> this is the original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UprcpdwuwCg
2018-08-08T14:05:30 < karlp> (in 21 pilots)
2018-08-08T14:05:45 < jpa-> lol that's a man?
2018-08-08T14:05:53 < jpa-> apparently
2018-08-08T14:06:16 < jadew> yeah... I can't listen to it
2018-08-08T14:06:39 < karlp> this is where it started: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXRviuL6vMY first album
2018-08-08T14:06:52 < karlp> sorry, fourth album
2018-08-08T14:06:53 < jadew> that one was good, I know it
2018-08-08T14:07:17 < karlp> first one that made it big
2018-08-08T14:08:10  * karlp returns to the black dog and regis.
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2018-08-08T14:10:38 < jadew> those are fake tatoos?
2018-08-08T14:10:42 < jadew> lol
2018-08-08T14:10:54 < jadew> https://www.grammy.com/sites/com/files/styles/image_landscape_hero/public/twenty_one_pilots_hero_634973716.jpg?itok=8iObF3rG
2018-08-08T14:11:02 < karlp> s/fake/temporary/ .... 
2018-08-08T14:11:06 < karlp> it's fashion now remember
2018-08-08T14:11:36 < jadew> they would have been really badass if they were permanent
2018-08-08T14:11:51 < karlp> what prison tats from a music video?
2018-08-08T14:11:53 < karlp> riiiight.
2018-08-08T14:12:27 < jadew> yeah, the song would have been better too if they were
2018-08-08T14:12:45 < jadew> now that I know they're not, it takes something away from it
2018-08-08T14:13:07 < karlp> seek and you shall find....
2018-08-08T14:13:07 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb, my year out is done now but glad you liked my a level coursework
2018-08-08T14:14:04 < BrainDamage> I'm sure faprecenb won't mind giving you a very private and deep mentoring to ensure you'll appreciate your future
2018-08-08T14:15:45 < tomeaton17> To be honest, I think I would prefer a different mentor :p
2018-08-08T14:16:21 < catphish> for all my searching i never managed to find a integrated charge/discharge/passthrough IC for powering a device from a lipo cell :(
2018-08-08T14:18:48 < catphish> however i think it can be achieved by combining bq24075 with a cell protection device, and maybe a "fuel gauge" IC if i care about the level
2018-08-08T14:20:06 < tomeaton17> catphish, might be related, I used the bq769x0 series this year and it was really nice
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2018-08-08T14:22:31 < tomeaton17> used it for charging as it can balance cells
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2018-08-08T14:33:14 < catphish> looks like a good device for protection / bms
2018-08-08T14:33:56 < catphish> i think basically a single device doesn't exist for what i want, even though it seems like it would be a common use case (power in, a battery, and something you want to power)
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2018-08-08T14:35:08 < karlp> as I said yuesterday, the battery protection ic is often inside the battery itself.
2018-08-08T14:35:36 < karlp> and once you drop your protection requirement, the other suggestions yesterday would seem to meet your requirements.
2018-08-08T14:35:49 < emeryth> and passthrough is just one transistor
2018-08-08T14:37:52 < catphish> is it?
2018-08-08T14:38:22 < Steffanx> what do you mean with passthrough btw? Connect the battery to the load?
2018-08-08T14:38:26 < zyp> what do you need passthrough for anyway?
2018-08-08T14:38:40 < zyp> Steffanx, bypassing the battery when powering the circuit
2018-08-08T14:38:41 < catphish> connecting the input power to the load
2018-08-08T14:39:10 < catphish> yeah, bypassing the battery when external power is available, so that you can charge the battery and detect when it's full
2018-08-08T14:39:18 < invzim> allreet, the fedex man delivered shipping supplies \o/
2018-08-08T14:39:32 < Steffanx> and the bq24075 cant do that?
2018-08-08T14:39:39 < catphish> i think bq24075 is 90% of the answer
2018-08-08T14:39:55 < catphish> just needs a battery protection IC in the battery
2018-08-08T14:40:36 < catphish> to avoid overdischarge, and probably a "fuel gauge" IC to inform the application of the % remaining in the cell
2018-08-08T14:41:18 < catphish> the overdischarge protection seems to have been the main thing that's always been missing, but if i can just buy cells with this built in then the problem is solved
2018-08-08T14:42:52 < Steffanx> heh, i was more curious if catphish meant something else by that zyp. As I was/am sure the ti ic can do all of it.
2018-08-08T14:42:55 < catphish> maybe just a protected 18650 like https://eu.nkon.nl/rechargeable/18650-size/eagletac-18650-2600.html combined with the bq24075 will do everything i need
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2018-08-08T14:45:00 < emeryth> catphish: http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/51746a.pdf
2018-08-08T14:46:14 < emeryth> and this http://blog.zakkemble.co.uk/a-lithium-battery-charger-with-load-sharing/
2018-08-08T14:46:27 < catphish> emeryth: that Q1 setup is exactly what i was trying to work out how to design!
2018-08-08T14:47:14 < catphish> emeryth: (from page 5) you're right it can be done with a single mosfet!
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2018-08-08T14:50:13 < karlp> that's also what was in the falstad link earlier 
2018-08-08T14:50:22 < catphish> although actually now that i say that, i can't work out what that mosfet is achieving that a diode wouldn't
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2018-08-08T14:51:22 < karlp> go back to horowitz and hill then.
2018-08-08T14:51:29 < karlp> and also read the notes,
2018-08-08T14:51:36 < karlp> in teh zypsnips you were given yesterday
2018-08-08T14:51:43 < karlp> "if the diode drop is ok, you can just use a diode"
2018-08-08T14:51:46 < catphish> oh right, yes i see, it's p-chennal, it stops charge flowing from the cell to the load when vin is high
2018-08-08T14:52:05 < catphish> and avoids the diode drop
2018-08-08T14:52:10 < Laurenceb> Imagine engaging with people on Twitter? Having arguments and thinking you've 'owned' people
2018-08-08T14:52:22 < karlp> imaine what would happen if you actualyl read the things you were told
2018-08-08T14:52:55 < Steffanx> lol bitchy much karlp
2018-08-08T14:53:42 < Steffanx> or is it just a reply to mr b. then it's not bitching :P
2018-08-08T14:53:57 < karlp> "what's the asnwer to 2+2" "4" "ok, but what about 2+2" "still 4" "hmm, interesting, so, if 2+2 is 4, then what is 2+2?" "...." ?
2018-08-08T14:54:01 < Laurenceb> but what was I told
2018-08-08T14:54:16 < catphish> i missed that note about the diode/mosfet, but makes perfect sense now
2018-08-08T14:54:18 < Laurenceb> karlp: are traps gay?
2018-08-08T14:54:46 < Steffanx> Do you consider yourself a troll, Laurenceb?
2018-08-08T14:55:08 < Laurenceb> yes
2018-08-08T14:55:19 < Laurenceb> dah troll lifestyle
2018-08-08T14:55:42 < Laurenceb> I fixed gpsd
2018-08-08T14:55:44 < catphish> then i can use a cell with protection circuitry built in, and everyone's happy
2018-08-08T14:55:53  * karlp cheers :)
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2018-08-08T15:27:36 < Laurenceb> muh gpsd is working
2018-08-08T15:27:38 < Laurenceb> its unreal
2018-08-08T15:27:42 < Laurenceb> inb4 segfault
2018-08-08T15:29:09 < Laurenceb> still working O_o
2018-08-08T15:29:26 < catphish> karlp: your falstad design makes a ton more sense to me now than when i looked at it yesterday, thanks :)
2018-08-08T15:29:40 < catphish> this will definitely work
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2018-08-08T15:31:31 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKExXjFAQz4
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2018-08-08T15:53:06 < catphish> i'm afraid i have another question, but a simple one :)
2018-08-08T15:53:36 < catphish> is there a reference somewhere with the simplest allowable STM32 configurations (ie supporting circuitry)
2018-08-08T15:54:00 < catphish> or can you just hook it up to a stable 3v3 and nothing else needed?
2018-08-08T15:56:07 < mawk> you may need some capacitors and resistors here and there
2018-08-08T15:56:44 < catphish> i'm kinda worried about my ability to solder one, but guess i'll have to learn eventually
2018-08-08T15:56:48 < Laurenceb> influxdb moar liek inceldb
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2018-08-08T15:57:33 < Laurenceb> https://community.influxdata.com/t/high-sample-rates/1209
2018-08-08T15:57:41 < Laurenceb> >It seems typically data recording rates are closer to 1 Hz.
2018-08-08T15:57:45 < Laurenceb> I'm so pwnd
2018-08-08T16:00:59 < mawk> you may want some pins or something to be able to program the chip catphish 
2018-08-08T16:01:04 < mawk> like exposing the SWD pins
2018-08-08T16:01:21 < mawk> and some oscillators if your application needs precision
2018-08-08T16:01:34 < emeryth> and remember to pull down BOOT0
2018-08-08T16:02:08 < catphish> thanks, i don't need external oscillators i don't think, but will definitely want to expose the programming pins
2018-08-08T16:02:29 < srk> https://github.com/distrap/distrap-hw/blob/master/stmstamp/stmstamp.pdf
2018-08-08T16:03:01 < srk> bunch of stuff you probably don't need
2018-08-08T16:03:27 < srk> (analog)
2018-08-08T16:03:28 < catphish> that's helpful :)
2018-08-08T16:06:19 < catphish> not too much required at all
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2018-08-08T16:13:34 < mawk> what's "power flag" srk ?
2018-08-08T16:14:58 < catphish> something to do with telling kicad power will be supplied to that net
2018-08-08T16:15:34 < mawk> ah, ok
2018-08-08T16:15:36 < catphish> it's not clear to me how it's used though
2018-08-08T16:17:16 < srk> yup, power flags are for DRC (designs rules check)
2018-08-08T16:18:46 < catphish> are they required only if the net has no components with power outputs, but has components with power inputs?
2018-08-08T16:19:15 < catphish> that was the impression i got, i've never used drc on a schematic so not needed it
2018-08-08T16:19:52 < mawk> I tried to buy a second-hand oscilloscope yesterday
2018-08-08T16:20:02 < catphish> how'd that go?
2018-08-08T16:20:19 < mawk> I only found old pieces from the DDR
2018-08-08T16:20:45 < mawk> and the prices for first-hand are a bit high
2018-08-08T16:20:59 < srk> you need to add them if you have VCC or VDD inputs, it's not implicit anywhere I think
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2018-08-08T16:24:35 < bitmask> goooood morning
2018-08-08T16:26:47 < catphish> mornink
2018-08-08T16:27:32 < Steffanx> Welcome
2018-08-08T16:29:08 < karlp> catphish: glad it helped :)
2018-08-08T16:30:11 < karlp> catphish: there's also a document from st called "getting started with stm32xx hw development" that covers the basic requirements too.
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2018-08-08T16:33:09 < karlp> lolrence, what's the complain with that influxdb link? looks like a case of someone complained before actually trying it out?
2018-08-08T16:34:41 < catphish> it did seem like a case of premature concern
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2018-08-08T16:39:00 < jadew> screw this code, I'm going out
2018-08-08T16:39:02 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B1M3IPVcXs&list=RD9B1M3IPVcXs
2018-08-08T16:40:07 < Laurenceb> karlp: maybe
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2018-08-08T16:40:28 < Laurenceb> just testing my bash script codez now, looks like close to real time with short length of data
2018-08-08T16:40:40 < Laurenceb> should speed up with more data due to multithreading
2018-08-08T16:41:12 < karlp> let me guess, you're _also_ complaining before you try it?
2018-08-08T16:41:24 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-08-08T16:41:26 < bitmask> hah
2018-08-08T16:41:50 < Laurenceb> influx server times out with too many connections
2018-08-08T16:41:57 < Laurenceb> ree
2018-08-08T16:43:33 < Laurenceb> looks like I have to write some sort of load limiter
2018-08-08T16:44:32 < srk> I'm running prometheus now, need to test how much it can digest
2018-08-08T16:44:53 < tomeaton17> ree
2018-08-08T16:46:25 < fest> there's something about that picture: https://linx.wot.lv/selif/gnnf3948.jpg
2018-08-08T16:47:48 < tomeaton17> I thought it was gabe newell
2018-08-08T16:49:15 < catphish> karlp: that getting started document looks ideal :)
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2018-08-08T17:04:25 < bitmask> https://youtu.be/F961q2A4WpA yes, yes I am a nerd
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2018-08-08T17:12:33 < Steffanx> if you were a real nerd it there would have been a box with tissues visible somewhere, bitmask.
2018-08-08T17:12:37 < Steffanx> but cool thingy
2018-08-08T17:12:49 < bitmask> haha
2018-08-08T17:13:30 < Steffanx> did you print the dragon/
2018-08-08T17:14:19 < bitmask> no, I don't think id want to burn incense on a thermoplastic
2018-08-08T17:14:44 < bitmask> actually it would probably be fine
2018-08-08T17:14:53 < bitmask> but no, I did not
2018-08-08T17:17:13 < Laurenceb> heh 125% real time data loading
2018-08-08T17:17:18 < Laurenceb> not too bad I guess
2018-08-08T17:38:27 < Laurenceb> lel using all muh cores
2018-08-08T17:38:31 < Laurenceb> on xeon server
2018-08-08T17:40:33 < Laurenceb> I should offer to let Alex Jones host his podcasts on this system
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2018-08-08T17:40:36 < Laurenceb> for epin lulz
2018-08-08T17:41:20 < Laurenceb> it could probably stream audio to about 5 people before it died
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2018-08-08T17:47:52 < Rickta59> is it safe to say I will never see any code end up in the .glue_7 section if I'm using a cortex-m[3/4] ?
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2018-08-08T18:39:48 < Laurenceb> sheeet
2018-08-08T18:40:11 < Laurenceb> >all my calibrated mics have 23dBA noise level exactly
2018-08-08T18:40:37 < Laurenceb> >calculate what AC97 audio input noise level is
2018-08-08T18:40:48 < Laurenceb> >23dBA with the calibrated mics
2018-08-08T18:43:29 < Laurenceb> mic test guys confirmed as perman00b
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2018-08-08T19:00:59 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WGTvuloBQs
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2018-08-08T19:18:35 < catphish> wonder how low i can get the power consumption on this pn532
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2018-08-08T19:58:05 < bitmask> hmm, what kind of saw is good for pcb? just any old hacksaw?
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2018-08-08T20:00:34 < bitmask> dremel
2018-08-08T20:00:56 < Streaker> I use an acrylic knife
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2018-08-08T20:01:20 < Streaker> The blades don't last long, but the cuts come out very nice 
2018-08-08T20:01:27 < bitmask> i'll have to look that up, thanks
2018-08-08T20:02:17 < Streaker> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1TnyOciAnBKNjSZFvq6yTKXXa9/2018-NEW-PVC-Acrylic-Plastic-Sheet-Perspex-Cutter-Hook-Cutting-Tool-With-10-Spare-Blades.jpg_640x640q90.jpg_.webp
2018-08-08T20:02:32 < bitmask> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Plastic-Sheet-Cutting-Tool-GE-41/202038073
2018-08-08T20:02:37 < bitmask> ahh
2018-08-08T20:02:37 < bitmask> ok
2018-08-08T20:02:40 < bitmask> thanks
2018-08-08T20:03:53 < mawk> would it be hard to make a logic analyzer from some stm32 ?
2018-08-08T20:04:05 < mawk> eg one in the hundreds of MHz range
2018-08-08T20:04:06 < Cracki> depends on what interface you want it to have
2018-08-08T20:04:08 < Streaker> they're not designed for cutting fiberglass and will go dull very fast, but while they're new they're very convenient
2018-08-08T20:04:13 < Cracki> 100 MHz might be tough
2018-08-08T20:04:32 < Cracki> the beaglebone black can be used as a LA
2018-08-08T20:04:35 < Cracki> 100+ MHz
2018-08-08T20:04:54 < Cracki> it uses its auxiliary cores for the fast part and the host core to transfer
2018-08-08T20:05:02 < bitmask> I don't plan on using it much so that won't be a problem
2018-08-08T20:05:32 < Cracki> "beaglelogic"
2018-08-08T20:06:46 < Cracki> "hundredS of MHz" will be nearly impossible. stm32 aren't locked that high
2018-08-08T20:07:02 < Cracki> you'd have to sample and get rid of a frame per clock
2018-08-08T20:08:30 < mawk> Cracki: https://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers/stm32h743zi.html
2018-08-08T20:08:38 < mawk> it'd be something like thisd
2018-08-08T20:08:42 < mawk> e.g. 400 MHz
2018-08-08T20:08:48 < Cracki> still, do the math
2018-08-08T20:08:56 < Cracki> you have too much data to get rid of it
2018-08-08T20:09:00 < Cracki> does it have usb high speed?
2018-08-08T20:09:05 < Cracki> or just 12 Mbit/s
2018-08-08T20:09:13 < mawk> yes
2018-08-08T20:09:15 < mawk> usb HS
2018-08-08T20:09:21 < mawk> but temporality isn't that critical
2018-08-08T20:09:23 < Cracki> good, that helps
2018-08-08T20:09:31 < Cracki> ah, single shot scoping?
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2018-08-08T20:09:40 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-08T20:09:48 < mawk> or have some storage then display it after
2018-08-08T20:09:56 < Cracki> well then, figure out what you can achieve with DMA
2018-08-08T20:10:12 < Cracki> "run length encoding" is a common feature for LAs
2018-08-08T20:10:44 < mawk> yes
2018-08-08T20:11:23 < Cracki> I haven't needed to run DMA this tight... research the capabilities, also of the pins in terms of I/O clock and whatnot
2018-08-08T20:11:43 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-08T20:11:51 < mawk> the docs say a GPIO pin can sample at half the clock speed
2018-08-08T20:12:46 < mawk> so being conservative let's say 50 MHz would be the upper frequency limit
2018-08-08T20:12:53 < Laurenceb> > the beaglebone black 
2018-08-08T20:12:56 < Laurenceb> not even once
2018-08-08T20:12:59 < mawk> lol
2018-08-08T20:13:22 < mawk> the teacher that wants me to implement 6LoWPAN wants to use BBB boards for that
2018-08-08T20:14:00 < Steffanx> only because its power management sucked Laurenceb?
2018-08-08T20:14:04 < Laurenceb> yes
2018-08-08T20:14:12 < Laurenceb> >only
2018-08-08T20:14:18 < jpa-> mawk: DCMI can sample quite fast also
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2018-08-08T20:15:02 < jpa-> mawk: real trouble is having enough storage to be useful
2018-08-08T20:15:21 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-08T20:15:45 < mawk> ultimately a computer will display the results, so if USB is quick enough no storage should be needed
2018-08-08T20:16:07 < jpa-> USB is not quick enough, IIRC no STM32 has USB3 support
2018-08-08T20:16:12 < mawk> indeed
2018-08-08T20:16:54 < mawk> this one has usb high-speed tho
2018-08-08T20:17:02 < mawk> also ethernet, if ever
2018-08-08T20:17:25 < Cracki> assuming you can use 240 Mbit/s, thats 2 pins at 100 MS/s
2018-08-08T20:17:49 < jpa-> which is what cheap saleae16 clones can already do
2018-08-08T20:18:27 < jpa-> the usual approach for better logic analyzers is either USB3, or FPGA + DDR ram
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2018-08-08T20:18:38 < mawk> I see
2018-08-08T20:18:50 < jpa-> but once you go >100MS/s, you need to pay attention to the analog frontend also
2018-08-08T20:18:57 < Cracki> ^
2018-08-08T20:19:10 < Cracki> and the probe leads
2018-08-08T20:20:17 < Cracki> better just buy something. your work is worth more than that.
2018-08-08T20:22:38 < mawk> yeah, maybe
2018-08-08T20:22:53 < mawk> but then I'll have to wait until my bank account is afloat again
2018-08-08T20:23:14 < jpa-> what do you need such high speeds for anyway?
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2018-08-08T20:23:23 < Cracki> look at what projects there are and if they have sigrok drivers
2018-08-08T20:23:30 < jpa-> 24MHz $10 FX2-based analyzer gets you pretty far IMO
2018-08-08T20:23:30 < Laurenceb> Reminder: "Elon Musk" is FtM tranny actor playing the movie trope role of "sole genius responsible for company's success and all of its innovations".
2018-08-08T20:23:31 < Cracki> this kinda thing prolly exists already
2018-08-08T20:24:00 < Cracki> https://sysprogs.com/w/how-we-turned-8-popular-stm32-boards-into-powerful-logic-analyzers/
2018-08-08T20:24:11 < Laurenceb> and it was beautiful
2018-08-08T20:25:36 < englishman> hello client, the bom says MCP2562FD-E/SN but you sent me MCP2562T-E/SN, do you really want this part?
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2018-08-08T20:25:42 < englishman> "we see no difference between them"
2018-08-08T20:26:00 < englishman> i anticipate problems
2018-08-08T20:26:38 < mawk> ah jpa- 
2018-08-08T20:26:42 < Cracki> can FD vs can something-else?
2018-08-08T20:26:42 < englishman> if not with this part than some other problem due to this attitude
2018-08-08T20:26:43 < mawk> it was a misunderstanding I guess
2018-08-08T20:27:13 < mawk> when I said hundreds of MHz I was talking about the clock speed of the stm32, not the sample speed
2018-08-08T20:27:26 < mawk> for the sample speed I had something in mind like 50 MHz, which seemed an average value
2018-08-08T20:27:32 < mawk> but still too fast indeed
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2018-08-08T20:27:39 < karlp> englishman: what's FD? it's not in the datasheet?
2018-08-08T20:28:03 <@englishman> hi-speed part
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2018-08-08T20:28:47 < Cracki> CAN FD is CAN bus but with higher clock rate data parts of the frame
2018-08-08T20:29:06 < karlp> ok, that's a shitty part numbering from mchp honestly.
2018-08-08T20:29:28 < Cracki> it's compatible with older CAN: they can see the frame, but can't read the data
2018-08-08T20:29:32 < mawk> thanks for the link Cracki 
2018-08-08T20:29:35 <@englishman> already i asked them why they are putting 0805 part on a 1206 footprint
2018-08-08T20:29:41 < Cracki> lel
2018-08-08T20:29:44 <@englishman> "oh, we didn't realize it.... it should work anyway"
2018-08-08T20:29:47 < karlp> no, that's not it.
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2018-08-08T20:30:23 < karlp> oh, it's just faster,
2018-08-08T20:30:27 < karlp> if they're using that...
2018-08-08T20:30:45 <@englishman> yeah
2018-08-08T20:30:50 <@englishman> not so much the part, as the attitude
2018-08-08T20:31:33 < Cracki> they specd the FD part but sent the normal speed part? if they intended to use FD, this will cause problems.
2018-08-08T20:31:40 <@englishman> right
2018-08-08T20:31:49 < Cracki> also for the firmware developer...
2018-08-08T20:32:18 < Cracki> they're in luck if that thing has all the same config registers and merely refuses higher speed
2018-08-08T20:33:17 < Cracki> ah, no config, only pins to wiggle
2018-08-08T20:34:05 < Cracki> ah, it's only a transceiver, that makes things simpler
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2018-08-08T20:48:58 <@englishman> this damn project uses all of my 8x4mm feeders
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2018-08-08T20:50:40 < Cracki> are you a pick and place shop or why do you make yourself suffer?
2018-08-08T20:51:15 <@englishman> it's stupid brainless work but pays $
2018-08-08T20:51:17 < Cracki> what machinery do you use? I'm curious
2018-08-08T20:51:20 < Cracki> that it does
2018-08-08T20:51:35 < Cracki> until they get wind of cheap chinese assembly
2018-08-08T20:51:57 <@englishman> well i don't compete with them
2018-08-08T20:52:13 < Cracki> western engineering is worth it, even if it's just assembly
2018-08-08T20:52:23 <@englishman> it would be silly to try
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2018-08-08T22:05:30 <@englishman> zyp, does the golf have a battery health metric
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2018-08-08T22:38:23 < zyp> englishman, not user visible as far as I know
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2018-08-08T23:00:10 < DisruptiveNL> Does anyone know why an accelerometer is sending higer values on all the axis when laying still??
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2018-08-08T23:03:55 < srk> turn down the bass!
2018-08-08T23:06:25 < Thorn> stop masturbating
2018-08-08T23:07:42 < Cracki> DisruptiveNL, what values exactly?
2018-08-08T23:07:58 < Cracki> show a plot, show a log file
2018-08-08T23:08:15 < Cracki> what did you do to get these values
2018-08-08T23:08:18 < Cracki> answer all the questions
2018-08-08T23:08:20 < DisruptiveNL> Cracki: I keep getting values in the x-as of >1000 but the sensor is not moving at all
2018-08-08T23:08:34 < Cracki> why don't you name the sensor?
2018-08-08T23:08:43 < Cracki> why don't you tell us how you talk to the sensor, exactly?
2018-08-08T23:09:09 < Thorn> is it earth gravity?
2018-08-08T23:09:23 < Cracki> no speculations until he gives proper information
2018-08-08T23:09:27 < Cracki> (it could be ;)
2018-08-08T23:09:45 < Thorn> is this a good choice for my hot bed https://www.aliexpress.com/item/200-x-200mm-110V-220V-200W-Silicone-Heated-Bed-Heating-Pad-w-Thermistor-for-3D-Printer/32869393982.html
2018-08-08T23:10:01 < Thorn> larger heaters are much more expensive :/
2018-08-08T23:10:11 < Steffanx> It's the earth quakes in the nothern part of the netherlands.
2018-08-08T23:10:11 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSL
2018-08-08T23:10:33 < DisruptiveNL> It now chows values: 65334...
2018-08-08T23:10:40 < DisruptiveNL> For X and Y
2018-08-08T23:10:52 < Cracki> do you know what a SIGNED integer is?
2018-08-08T23:11:10 < DisruptiveNL> It seems to look good and that its working but the values I expect are 0
2018-08-08T23:11:16 < Thorn> DisruptiveNL: turn it over and see how the readings change
2018-08-08T23:11:18 < DisruptiveNL> No I do not
2018-08-08T23:11:26 < Cracki> wat
2018-08-08T23:11:40 < Cracki> read the data sheet
2018-08-08T23:12:14 < Cracki> why haven't you answered my other questions?
2018-08-08T23:12:23 < DisruptiveNL> I did. I know I do not understand some trivial thing
2018-08-08T23:12:34 < DisruptiveNL> Which question?
2018-08-08T23:12:38 < Cracki> look above
2018-08-08T23:12:53 < DisruptiveNL> I talk to it with I2C
2018-08-08T23:12:55 < Cracki> >why don't you tell us how you talk to the sensor, exactly?
2018-08-08T23:13:04 < Cracki> see, you need to say that on your own
2018-08-08T23:13:04 < DisruptiveNL> The sensor name is: LSM6DSL
2018-08-08T23:13:21 < DisruptiveNL> I start the sensor confirm the datasheet
2018-08-08T23:13:40 < DisruptiveNL> The selftest works (but also gives other values... but that is what the selftest is doing I guess)
2018-08-08T23:14:04 < Cracki> how do you read the values?
2018-08-08T23:14:19 < Cracki> why don't you show some code?
2018-08-08T23:14:20 < DisruptiveNL> The temperature values are correct
2018-08-08T23:14:49 < Cracki> do you use a library for this sensor or do you use plain i2c?
2018-08-08T23:15:01 < Thorn> can I put a 300x300mm glass onto a 200x200mm heater?
2018-08-08T23:15:31 < Cracki> depends, do you want the outer 50 mm heated or not?
2018-08-08T23:15:44 < DisruptiveNL> lsm6dsl_readreg(priv, LSM6DSL_OUTX_L_XL, &lox);
2018-08-08T23:15:45 < DisruptiveNL> lsm6dsl_readreg(priv, LSM6DSL_OUTX_H_XL, &hix);
2018-08-08T23:15:54 < Cracki> pastebin
2018-08-08T23:15:55 < catphish> if i want to use the stm32 rtc for long term clock keeping, do i need a LSE crystal?
2018-08-08T23:15:58 < Thorn> I do of course but maybe the edges won't be cold enough to cause problems
2018-08-08T23:16:01 < Cracki> what is lox and hix and how do you get "65534" from that
2018-08-08T23:16:27 < Cracki> glass conducts heat, but not too well I believe
2018-08-08T23:16:27 < DisruptiveNL> 0x28
2018-08-08T23:16:33 < DisruptiveNL> 0x29
2018-08-08T23:16:54 < DisruptiveNL> i will pastebin something
2018-08-08T23:18:49 < Steffanx> Cant you get some 30x30cm of an exisiting printer instead Thorn? Cr10 or something
2018-08-08T23:18:49 < Cracki> where does "lsm6dsl_readreg" come from
2018-08-08T23:19:27 < DisruptiveNL> https://pastebin.com/L4cGCs06
2018-08-08T23:19:56 < Cracki> DisruptiveNL, what is a signed integer? is an uint16_t signed?
2018-08-08T23:20:10 < DisruptiveNL> i am reading
2018-08-08T23:20:15 < Cracki> can an uint16_t ever contain a negative number? what happens when you put -2 in an uint16_t?
2018-08-08T23:20:29 < Thorn> famous interview questions
2018-08-08T23:20:47 < Cracki> questions this dude should have on his own
2018-08-08T23:21:52 < Cracki> but I'm ok acting as Socrates
2018-08-08T23:22:00 < Steffanx> Doesnt the Hanze hogeschool even teach you that anymore DisruptiveNL?
2018-08-08T23:22:24 < DisruptiveNL> Signed integers are stored in a computer using 2's complement.
2018-08-08T23:22:42 < Cracki> oy vey, that's a college
2018-08-08T23:22:54 < DisruptiveNL> That was a long time ago Steffanx...and I am rusty
2018-08-08T23:24:05 < Cracki> >Bachelor programmes: Advanced Sensor Applications
2018-08-08T23:24:25 < DisruptiveNL> Yes uint16_t can hold -2 its unsigned
2018-08-08T23:24:43 < Cracki> is -2 unsigned?
2018-08-08T23:25:27 < Cracki> when you print that uint16_t value, will it ever print "-2"?
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2018-08-08T23:25:47 < Cracki> write a small C program and compile it for your computer. run it.
2018-08-08T23:26:07 < Thorn> holy crap what https://www.ebay.com/itm/KEENOVO-Silicon-Heater-310x310mm-for-Creality-CR-10-3D-Printer-Bed-w-Screw-Holes-/282446548129
2018-08-08T23:26:11 < Thorn> $75
2018-08-08T23:26:38 < Cracki> 750 watts, nice
2018-08-08T23:26:39 < zyp> what's holy crap?
2018-08-08T23:26:47 < Cracki> also prolly the price
2018-08-08T23:26:53 < DisruptiveNL> It will accept it .. .but unsigned is used to store positive values only ;-)
2018-08-08T23:27:16 < Cracki> so... DisruptiveNL what is the relation between -2 and 65534
2018-08-08T23:27:58 < Cracki> where does "lsm6dsl_readreg" come from?
2018-08-08T23:28:08 < Cracki> tell me that
2018-08-08T23:28:53 < Thorn> zyp: the price
2018-08-08T23:29:35 < zyp> too high?
2018-08-08T23:30:35 < Thorn> for a ~$200 budget for the printer? well...
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2018-08-08T23:31:47 < zyp> then get something else :p
2018-08-08T23:32:30 < DisruptiveNL> readreg is reading (I2C) from an 8-bit register, That works (temperature works)
2018-08-08T23:32:59 < Cracki> interpret 65534 as a SIGNED int
2018-08-08T23:33:01 < Cracki> what happens?
2018-08-08T23:33:06 < Cracki> interpret it as int16_t
2018-08-08T23:33:22 < Cracki> interpret -2 as an UNSIGNED int, a uint16_t
2018-08-08T23:34:05 < DisruptiveNL> oke busy..\
2018-08-08T23:34:08 < DisruptiveNL> with it
2018-08-08T23:34:20 < Thorn> why is it 750W at all, do you really need so much power? 
2018-08-08T23:34:30 < zyp> no.
2018-08-08T23:34:40 < Thorn> I don't remember reading about bed temps > 80°C
2018-08-08T23:34:47 < Thorn> required temps
2018-08-08T23:34:49 < Cracki> guess they really don't teach that at "hogeschools"
2018-08-08T23:35:18 < Cracki> you do want a certain power, or else heating the bed from room to X takes a while
2018-08-08T23:35:37 < Cracki> if you wanted to print ABS, I think some use 90 celsius beds for that
2018-08-08T23:38:08 < DisruptiveNL> No they do not ... not at my time.. only Java ;-)
2018-08-08T23:40:40 < Cracki> you need to catch up on that if you want to do embedded programming
2018-08-08T23:41:06 < Cracki> https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2005/12/29/the-perils-of-javaschools-2/
2018-08-08T23:43:12 < Steffanx> Must have been some IT study, not EE. They did Delphi for yeaaars there.
2018-08-08T23:43:36 < Cracki> even (especially!) computer scientists get taught about two's complement
2018-08-08T23:44:00 < Steffanx> Heh, you would think so.
2018-08-08T23:44:02 < DisruptiveNL> Yes yes... i know my incompetence ;-)
2018-08-08T23:44:05 < Cracki> it's a hogeschool, those aren't real universities.
2018-08-08T23:44:14 < Steffanx> Indeed.
2018-08-08T23:44:38 < Cracki> I can only claim knowledge of my uni, and it's one of the best in germany
2018-08-08T23:44:48 < DisruptiveNL> university dudes keep talking about how great they are ;-)
2018-08-08T23:44:50 < Cracki> and I know what peeps from the local fachhochschule say...
2018-08-08T23:45:22 < Cracki> _your_ trouble is that you seem to be unaware that acceleration in x and y can be negative
2018-08-08T23:45:26 < Cracki> in z too
2018-08-08T23:45:32 < Steffanx> But in dutchland tou have IT and more technical IT. Huge difference when it comes to "low" level stufd
2018-08-08T23:45:35 < DisruptiveNL> yes i am aware of that
2018-08-08T23:45:38 < Cracki> and when it's around 0, which is at rest, it can be slightly positive or slightly negative
2018-08-08T23:45:42 < Cracki> and you only print the value as unsigned
2018-08-08T23:45:59 < DisruptiveNL> Yes I get that
2018-08-08T23:46:04 < Cracki> so how about you cast it to signed int16_t
2018-08-08T23:46:15 < Cracki> you also need to know what scale these values are on
2018-08-08T23:46:24 < Cracki> what's the value for z you get?
2018-08-08T23:46:31 < DisruptiveNL> I already did... but the question is more why the sensor is not around zero
2018-08-08T23:46:43 < Cracki> what range are the values?
2018-08-08T23:46:49 < Cracki> also, it IS around zero
2018-08-08T23:46:51 < Cracki> 65534 is -2
2018-08-08T23:46:54 < Cracki> -2 is close to 0
2018-08-08T23:48:10 < DisruptiveNL> -191, -159, -176
2018-08-08T23:48:26 < Cracki> and what is the scale you have configured?
2018-08-08T23:48:38 < DisruptiveNL> Z is 21433
2018-08-08T23:48:52 < Cracki> _scale_ I ask, i.e. scaling factor
2018-08-08T23:49:00 < Cracki> that chip can be programmed for several scales
2018-08-08T23:49:02 < DisruptiveNL> 16G
2018-08-08T23:49:05 < Cracki> ok
2018-08-08T23:49:13 < DisruptiveNL> FS_XL
2018-08-08T23:49:55 < DisruptiveNL> CTRL1_XL register
2018-08-08T23:50:09 < Cracki> 16G scale means +32767 is 16G
2018-08-08T23:50:21 < Cracki> same for -32767 (or -32768) is -16G
2018-08-08T23:51:22 < Cracki> it can't be 21433, that would mean 10.4G
2018-08-08T23:51:37 < Cracki> are you sure you configured that right?
2018-08-08T23:51:39 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit XL_X--->: -221
2018-08-08T23:51:39 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit XL_Y--->: -197
2018-08-08T23:51:39 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit XL_Z--->: 21392
2018-08-08T23:51:39 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit TEMP--->: 2068
2018-08-08T23:51:39 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit G_X--->: 6262
2018-08-08T23:51:40 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit G_Y--->: 6635
2018-08-08T23:51:42 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit G_Z--->: 5583
2018-08-08T23:51:59 < DisruptiveNL> signed!
2018-08-08T23:52:04 < Cracki> good
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2018-08-08T23:52:39 < Cracki> then I would guess either that thing needs calibration (it probably does!)
2018-08-08T23:52:59 < DisruptiveNL> The datasheet says that calibration is done from its own registers
2018-08-08T23:53:03 < Cracki> or, assuming 2G full scale, you are on a plant with 1.3 earth gravities
2018-08-08T23:53:06 < DisruptiveNL> Thats what I thought also
2018-08-08T23:53:20 < Cracki> or you assemble the 16 bit values wrong
2018-08-08T23:53:33 < DisruptiveNL> I think that last will be the issue
2018-08-08T23:53:57 < DisruptiveNL> int16_t x_val = ( (int16_t)hix << 8 ) | (int16_t)lox ;
2018-08-08T23:54:12 < Cracki> don't cast those to int16, leave at uint16
2018-08-08T23:55:28 < DisruptiveNL> changed it
2018-08-08T23:55:28 < Cracki> the expression looks right too
2018-08-08T23:55:32 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit XL_X--->: -126
2018-08-08T23:55:32 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit XL_Y--->: -113
2018-08-08T23:55:32 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit XL_Z--->: 21459
2018-08-08T23:55:32 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit TEMP--->: 2087
2018-08-08T23:55:32 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit G_X--->: 6258
2018-08-08T23:55:32 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit G_Y--->: 6623
2018-08-08T23:55:34 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit G_Z--->: 5580
2018-08-08T23:55:38 < Cracki> hm, still weird
2018-08-08T23:55:48 < DisruptiveNL> Yes I know...
2018-08-08T23:55:54 < Cracki> the gyro shouldn't show anything
2018-08-08T23:55:58 < Cracki> unless you move it
2018-08-08T23:56:05 < DisruptiveNL> Exact
2018-08-08T23:56:12 < Cracki> do these things have a bias value you need to subtract?
2018-08-08T23:56:18 < DisruptiveNL> We do not need any education to understand that ;-)
2018-08-08T23:56:44 < DisruptiveNL> Well they talk about some ¨offset¨ value for the accelero.... but not the gyro..
2018-08-08T23:56:59 < DisruptiveNL> I will set it in 2G mode
2018-08-08T23:57:25 < kakimir> http://c55.me:8190/r/file_8.jpg
2018-08-08T23:57:47 < Cracki> the sheet says the accelerometer offset is for removing earth gravity
2018-08-08T23:58:13 < Cracki> hm no, it's not that, it's an actual error
2018-08-08T23:58:18 < Cracki> it what it shows in zero g environment
2018-08-08T23:58:37 < capacitor> Hi kakimir
2018-08-08T23:59:00 < DisruptiveNL> yes
2018-08-08T23:59:53 < DisruptiveNL> 2G.. the same behaviour
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2018-08-09T00:00:01 < Cracki> still, it says 50 milli-Gs for that
2018-08-09T00:00:07 < DisruptiveNL> Its the STM IKS01A2 shield
2018-08-09T00:00:10 < Cracki> have you enabled conversion?
2018-08-09T00:00:14 < Cracki> do the values change at all?
2018-08-09T00:00:33 < DisruptiveNL> Yes the values change also when I touche the shield
2018-08-09T00:00:38 < DisruptiveNL> touch
2018-08-09T00:00:59 < DisruptiveNL> Conversion...not in the datasheet..
2018-08-09T00:01:15 < DisruptiveNL> Temperature is correct
2018-08-09T00:01:23 < Cracki> so what value does it show when you set it to 2G scale, vs 16G scale?
2018-08-09T00:01:46 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit XL_X--->: -106
2018-08-09T00:01:46 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit XL_Y--->: -121
2018-08-09T00:01:46 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit XL_Z--->: 21428
2018-08-09T00:01:46 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit TEMP--->: 2132
2018-08-09T00:01:46 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit G_X--->: 6249
2018-08-09T00:01:47 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit G_Y--->: 6624
2018-08-09T00:01:49 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit G_Z--->: 5577
2018-08-09T00:02:15 < Cracki> for 16G scale, I would expect Z~2048, for 2G scale it should be Z~16384
2018-08-09T00:02:31 < Cracki> tilt it on its side, 90 degrees. what does X/Y/Z show then?
2018-08-09T00:03:41 < DisruptiveNL> oke
2018-08-09T00:04:25 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit XL_X--->: -27
2018-08-09T00:04:26 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit XL_Y--->: 16252
2018-08-09T00:04:26 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit XL_Z--->: 5945
2018-08-09T00:04:26 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit TEMP--->: 2188
2018-08-09T00:04:26 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit G_X--->: 6266
2018-08-09T00:04:26 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit G_Y--->: 6619
2018-08-09T00:04:28 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit G_Z--->: 5575
2018-08-09T00:04:34 < Cracki> that makes more sense
2018-08-09T00:04:45 < Cracki> 16K is a lot closer to expected
2018-08-09T00:04:56 < capacitor> Drugover
2018-08-09T00:04:59 < Cracki> and what does XL_Z say when you flip it around on its face?
2018-08-09T00:05:31 < DisruptiveNL> should I ¨start¨ it (then it sets all the registers and starts the accelero and gyro and then flip it?>
2018-08-09T00:05:51 < Cracki> dunno, keep it running
2018-08-09T00:05:55 < DisruptiveNL> oke
2018-08-09T00:06:37 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit XL_X--->: -104
2018-08-09T00:06:37 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit XL_Y--->: 6628
2018-08-09T00:06:37 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit XL_Z--->: -11425
2018-08-09T00:06:37 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit TEMP--->: 2227
2018-08-09T00:06:37 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit G_X--->: 6246
2018-08-09T00:06:37 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit G_Y--->: 6613
2018-08-09T00:06:41 < Cracki> hah
2018-08-09T00:06:41 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit G_Z--->: 5575
2018-08-09T00:06:53 < Cracki> board doesn't lie flat, does it?
2018-08-09T00:07:06 < Cracki> the Z axis seems to have an offset of around 5000
2018-08-09T00:07:09 < DisruptiveNL> not exact no
2018-08-09T00:07:32 < Cracki> I estimate around 20-30 degrees off-horizontal?
2018-08-09T00:08:35 < DisruptiveNL> when its ¨flipped back... around 3-8 degrees
2018-08-09T00:08:40 < Cracki> hm
2018-08-09T00:09:44 < DisruptiveNL> The G values are also the same thing...
2018-08-09T00:09:55 < DisruptiveNL> I expect 0,0 and z-ax a little bit
2018-08-09T00:10:08 < Cracki> what is it with most your values all having a huge offset
2018-08-09T00:10:44 < Cracki> btw, temperature in celsius is (register value / 256) + 25
2018-08-09T00:11:06 < Cracki> so that's 34 degrees celsius, at least that sounds plausible
2018-08-09T00:11:52 < DisruptiveNL> haha airco
2018-08-09T00:12:20 < DisruptiveNL> If I put my phone (sensor) next to it (gyro and accelro) I expect the same values (almost)
2018-08-09T00:14:01 < Cracki> maybe sampling rate too high
2018-08-09T00:14:23 < Cracki> or it's broken
2018-08-09T00:14:44 < DisruptiveNL> can be
2018-08-09T00:14:50 < DisruptiveNL> 833Hz 
2018-08-09T00:15:15 < DisruptiveNL> Thanks anyway Cracki... your allright ;-)
2018-08-09T00:27:03 < Thorn> wat https://www.digitmakers.ca/collections/new/products/keenovo-silicone-heater-cr10-s5-3d-printer-heatbed
2018-08-09T00:27:12 < Thorn> $375 heater?
2018-08-09T00:27:24 < karlp> who's this disruptive spammer
2018-08-09T00:28:02 < Cracki> audiophile heaters
2018-08-09T00:29:01 < Thorn> moneyed canadians
2018-08-09T00:29:46 < Steffanx> I admire Cracki's patience :)
2018-08-09T00:30:19 < Cracki> I wonder if you could hear anything if you modulated the current into that heater...
2018-08-09T00:31:13 < mawk> Laurenceb: Musk is really a tranny ?
2018-08-09T00:31:41 < Thorn> if you make the owner of that store sit on it with his bare ass you might
2018-08-09T00:33:46 < Cracki> that's a thought
2018-08-09T00:38:23 < Cracki> back rub https://twitter.com/GatorsBackNow/status/1026628094604365824
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2018-08-09T00:58:20 < capacitor> now if you'd excuse me.... i've got some gator pussy waiting for me at home
2018-08-09T00:59:59 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit XL_X--->: -2
2018-08-09T00:59:59 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit XL_Y--->: -13
2018-08-09T00:59:59 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit XL_Z--->: 6973
2018-08-09T00:59:59 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit TEMP--->: 2584
2018-08-09T00:59:59 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit G_X--->: -56
2018-08-09T00:59:59 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit G_Y--->: 71
2018-08-09T01:00:01 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSLaccel_read: Data 16-bit G_Z--->: 13
2018-08-09T01:00:20 < DisruptiveNL> Cracki !
2018-08-09T01:01:04 < DisruptiveNL> Figure 8. Accelerometer composite filter ;-)
2018-08-09T01:01:56 < zyp> DisruptiveNL, please use a pastebin or something
2018-08-09T01:02:00 < DisruptiveNL> the positive and negative values I do want to see
2018-08-09T01:02:22 < DisruptiveNL> zyp: Its not code
2018-08-09T01:02:27 < capacitor> lol
2018-08-09T01:02:33 < zyp> so the fuck what, it's spamming down the channel
2018-08-09T01:02:34 < Cracki> it's data
2018-08-09T01:02:38 < Cracki> ;)
2018-08-09T01:02:47 < capacitor> it's all in gobbledygook!
2018-08-09T01:02:50 < DisruptiveNL> Enthousiastic data ;-)
2018-08-09T01:02:55 < Cracki> pastebins are good for everything you can't fit on a line
2018-08-09T01:03:08 < Cracki> consider scaling these values for printing
2018-08-09T01:03:10 < DisruptiveNL> hahaha thats why its down sometimes ;-)
2018-08-09T01:05:37 < DisruptiveNL> zyp: I wont do it again
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2018-08-09T01:31:46 < tpw_rules> is there a place to rport bugs in😍 timecubes
2018-08-09T01:33:21 < tpw_rules> or idk. it's not initializing the clocks correctly
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2018-08-09T01:43:36 < Cracki> community.st.com?
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2018-08-09T01:54:36 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/CvRAeXW.png
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2018-08-09T01:55:11 < Cracki> bat'leth
2018-08-09T01:55:35 < Cracki> two colors. snapped together or got a dual nozzle?
2018-08-09T01:56:41 < bitmask> snapped together
2018-08-09T01:56:42 < bitmask> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1966169
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2018-08-09T01:57:15 < Cracki> does that witchcraft use a control loop?
2018-08-09T01:57:53 < bitmask> the original doesn't, the one I linked uses pid
2018-08-09T01:57:59 < bitmask> not sure which I'm gonna do yet
2018-08-09T01:57:59 < Cracki> >My father was a scientist in the magnetic field
2018-08-09T01:59:02 < Cracki> what's it using for a sensor?
2018-08-09T01:59:08 < bitmask> a1302 hall
2018-08-09T01:59:37 < Cracki> ic
2018-08-09T02:02:12 < Cracki> ah so the levitating object gets a magnet, and the coil is getting current to attract it, and the hall sensor senses... what, the field strength in the middle between both?
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2018-08-09T02:03:02 < Cracki> ah! https://cdn.thingiverse.com/assets/03/77/6f/07/4b/Levitator_Assembly_and_Users_Guide.pdf
2018-08-09T02:03:20 < bitmask> yup
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2018-08-09T02:05:37 < Cracki> nice exercise in control loops
2018-08-09T02:06:00 < Cracki> starting from constant value, then proportional...
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2018-08-09T02:13:31 < laurence_> sup trolls
2018-08-09T02:14:03 < capacitor> Waiting for memes
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2018-08-09T02:14:35 < Laurenceb_> as too busy larping as a muslim
2018-08-09T02:15:13 < Cracki> hmmm bacon
2018-08-09T02:15:13 < Laurenceb_> to acquire memes
2018-08-09T02:16:14 < Laurenceb_> muslim grrrls like the bwc
2018-08-09T02:17:04 < Cracki> run for your life before the family gets wind of it
2018-08-09T02:18:34 < Laurenceb_> yeah fake tan and beard wont fool them
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2018-08-09T02:48:54 < Cracki> I think they can smell you... or rather not
2018-08-09T02:57:01 < tomeaton17> hello
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2018-08-09T02:58:17 < catphish> zyp: are you about? i have a question about your http://tinyurl.com/y9t432ry
2018-08-09T02:59:29 < catphish> specifically, doesn't this body diode represent a problem? http://tinyurl.com/y8neloju
2018-08-09T02:59:44 < catphish> or am i misrepresenting it?
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2018-08-09T03:20:29 < catphish> it's not too important, i can very likely get what i need with low drop diodes, but curious anyway :)
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2018-08-09T04:31:58 < Cracki> lel the oscars invented a new category just so black panther would get an oscar
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2018-08-09T10:30:00 < cpctr> what the fuck is that
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2018-08-09T10:54:27 < cpctr> is steffan OK?
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2018-08-09T11:41:46 < Steffanx> Idk
2018-08-09T11:42:04 < zyp> is cpctr ok?
2018-08-09T11:42:13 < cpctr> are you the guy who killed him and now using his computer?
2018-08-09T11:42:18 < cpctr> hi zyp 
2018-08-09T11:43:54 < Steffanx> Idk
2018-08-09T11:44:46 < Steffanx> cpctr has his just out of work moment. Itll pass :P
2018-08-09T11:45:07 < cpctr> yeah what he said
2018-08-09T11:45:22 < cpctr> i was on the irc discussing fixing stuff
2018-08-09T11:45:32 < cpctr> and how these people keep chasing me down to repair shit
2018-08-09T11:53:15 < Steffanx> Han
2018-08-09T11:54:02 < Steffanx> Did you send them to you mate with the repairshop?
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2018-08-09T11:59:16 < cpctr> which one
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2018-08-09T12:01:21 < cpctr> the dogs mate
2018-08-09T12:05:19 < cpctr> they come up
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2018-08-09T14:29:37 < Laurenceb> DisruptiveNL is cloning muh sensor
2018-08-09T14:29:43 < Laurenceb> maybe he can clone muh gui
2018-08-09T14:30:09 < karlp> why would anyone want to do that?
2018-08-09T14:31:03 < Laurenceb> cuz crazy
2018-08-09T14:31:47 < Steffanx> what lorawan stuff did you get again englishman?
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2018-08-09T14:40:40 < Laurenceb>  LSM6DSLaccel_read:
2018-08-09T14:40:44 < Laurenceb> such clonage
2018-08-09T14:45:35 < srk> Steffanx: rn2438 is easy. we're trying with hoperf rfm95w now
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2018-08-09T14:46:08 < srk> for gateways imst ic880a
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2018-08-09T15:27:24 < Steffanx> "ASCII command interface over UART" for some reason i always dislike that srk.
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2018-08-09T15:28:43 < srk> Steffanx: yeah, I don't like that either - I like it the hard way which is implementing the whole stack from scratch and feeding it to rmf95w :D
2018-08-09T15:29:28 < srk> but the protocol is quite simple -> send message, wait 'ok', reduces to like two-three commands for sensors
2018-08-09T15:30:55 < srk> https://github.com/distrap/ivory-tower-drivers/blob/master/src/Ivory/Tower/Drivers/Net/RN2483.hs#L96
2018-08-09T15:31:56 < srk> mac join otaa, wait either accepted/denied, send data with 'mac tx cnf 1 <hexpayload>'
2018-08-09T15:32:01 < Steffanx> :P I cant really read that you know :p
2018-08-09T15:32:05 < srk> or uncnf for unconfirmed
2018-08-09T15:32:18 < srk> just testing you
2018-08-09T15:36:06 < Steffanx> i mainly hate uart based protocols, because often it's such half baked crap. 
2018-08-09T16:00:30 < kakimir> I have a hole in my finger
2018-08-09T16:00:42 < zyp> put your finger in it
2018-08-09T16:00:59 < kakimir> accidentally shorted lipo with oscilloscope ground spring
2018-08-09T16:01:21 < kakimir> while pressing the ground spring down with my finger
2018-08-09T16:04:29 < kakimir> there is smell of burning flesh in air
2018-08-09T16:06:00 < kakimir> probs had some 40amps there
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2018-08-09T16:11:58 < Steffanx>  dont do that kakimir
2018-08-09T16:12:31 < Cracki> is it more like a pothole or a keyhole?
2018-08-09T16:21:47 < zyp> how about asshole?
2018-08-09T16:22:50 < Steffanx> Are you alright zyp?
2018-08-09T16:22:52 < Cracki> I hope nothing smelly comes out of that. it's supposed to be cauterized.
2018-08-09T16:22:53 < Steffanx> Heat stroke?
2018-08-09T16:23:04 < zyp> nah, it's been fairly cold here this week
2018-08-09T16:23:06 < zyp> !wz grimstad
2018-08-09T16:23:08 < englishbot> [Grimstad, Norway] Scattered Clouds. Temp is 21°C. SSW wind: 22 kph. Humidity: 60%.
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2018-08-09T16:25:14 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-08-09T16:25:17 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Clear. Temp is 25.7°C. Humidity: 59%.
2018-08-09T16:26:44 < jadew> hmm, 4 days into this thing I wrote 100 lines of code
2018-08-09T16:26:55 < jadew> and probably twice that in comments
2018-08-09T16:27:28 < jadew> now that's efficency, eh?
2018-08-09T16:27:30 < zyp> is your code really complicated?
2018-08-09T16:27:34 < jadew> yeah
2018-08-09T16:27:58 < jadew> it was mind bending the first time when I wrote this part (spent about 3-4 months on it)
2018-08-09T16:28:10 < jadew> and the new feature I wanted adds one more layer of complexity to it
2018-08-09T16:29:24 < Steffanx> But what is it?
2018-08-09T16:29:27 < Steffanx> please dont say php
2018-08-09T16:29:37 < jadew> it's not php, it's js lol
2018-08-09T16:29:51 < jadew> I made a WYSIWYG editor
2018-08-09T16:30:13 < jadew> it's already much much better than the other ones available
2018-08-09T16:30:33 < jadew> spent the best part of last year working on it
2018-08-09T16:30:51 < jadew> and I mean really working on it, day and night
2018-08-09T16:31:31 < Steffanx> whokay.
2018-08-09T16:32:16 < jadew> it's not cuz I'm nuts or anything, I actually needed it for a bigger project (which is paused now, since I realized it's too big and I need to make money)
2018-08-09T16:32:37 < zyp> haha
2018-08-09T16:32:53 < jadew> yeah, who would have thought hehe
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2018-08-09T16:41:01 < jadew> I wish I did some business school, or at least attended some business classes
2018-08-09T16:41:08 < jadew> I think I have a lot to learn in that area
2018-08-09T16:41:23 < Steffanx> you can stil ldo that
2018-08-09T16:41:29 < jadew> go to school?
2018-08-09T16:41:43 < Steffanx> yeah
2018-08-09T16:42:30 < jadew> yeah, I suppose, but it would be difficult to find the time
2018-08-09T16:42:53 < Steffanx> no evening school?
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2018-08-09T16:43:02 < jadew> I don't produce any money, but I'm somehow always busy
2018-08-09T16:44:22 < jadew> Steffanx, it's not about the time, since I could go to school at any hour, it's just that I seem to have so much going on
2018-08-09T16:44:30 < jadew> (work)
2018-08-09T16:44:47 < Steffanx> then you have to go on a planning course first :P
2018-08-09T16:44:53 < jadew> haha
2018-08-09T16:45:30 < kakimir> !wz oulu
2018-08-09T16:45:32 < englishbot> [Oulu, Finland] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 27.5°C. Humidity: 66%.
2018-08-09T16:45:32 < jadew> I even stopped playing worms
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2018-08-09T16:45:40 < Steffanx> stop watching movies.
2018-08-09T16:45:41 < Steffanx> stop irc.
2018-08-09T16:46:16 < jadew> let's not exagerate :P
2018-08-09T16:47:39 < kakimir> what the hell 27.5C
2018-08-09T16:47:39 < jadew> no, you're right, but I have to take breaks and that's when I'm active here
2018-08-09T16:48:00 < kakimir> I'm in A/C'd office and it was 23C few hour ago
2018-08-09T16:48:05 < jadew> !wz bucharest
2018-08-09T16:48:06 < englishbot> [Bucharest, Romania] Clear. Temp is 34.6°C. NE wind: 1.1 kph.
2018-08-09T16:48:13 < kakimir> shiet boi
2018-08-09T16:53:07 < kakimir> you must sweat
2018-08-09T16:53:47 < jadew> I'm used to it
2018-08-09T16:53:57 < jadew> had hotter summers
2018-08-09T16:55:30 < Steffanx> and air conditioning?
2018-08-09T16:57:01 < Laurenceb> my mum went to Romania in the 1980s
2018-08-09T16:57:26 < Laurenceb> she got beaten by whores who thought she was with a rival pimp
2018-08-09T16:57:44 < jadew> lol
2018-08-09T16:57:45 < Laurenceb> when they saw her with my dad they assumed he had hired her
2018-08-09T16:57:57 < jadew> Steffanx, the AC is off
2018-08-09T16:58:50 < Steffanx> Nice story bro.
2018-08-09T16:58:54 < jadew> in the 80's we were still under communism
2018-08-09T16:58:55 < Steffanx> @ blaxter
2018-08-09T16:59:25 < jadew> I don't think that sort of shit was happening (whores with pimps)
2018-08-09T16:59:39 < Laurenceb> Steffanx: its true
2018-08-09T16:59:47 < Laurenceb> I have photos
2018-08-09T16:59:49 < Steffanx> If you say so.
2018-08-09T16:59:56 < jadew> Laurenceb, of the beating?
2018-08-09T17:00:01 < Steffanx> i bet it was your dad. Its just a cover up story.
2018-08-09T17:00:15 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-08-09T17:00:18 < jadew> haha
2018-08-09T17:00:26 < Laurenceb> jadew: yeah, she was selling weed in Bucharest 
2018-08-09T17:00:35 < Laurenceb> until someone sprayed her with bleach
2018-08-09T17:00:55 < jadew> come on dude... romanians didn't know what drugs were back then
2018-08-09T17:01:17 < karlp> oh, you're so precious
2018-08-09T17:01:46 < Laurenceb> sheltered life
2018-08-09T17:01:49 < jadew> I'm serious, we didn't have junkies until about a dacde after the revolution
2018-08-09T17:02:39 < Laurenceb> as I hear there was some in the cities
2018-08-09T17:02:41 < mawk> why on the nucleo-144 didn't they let the user USB plug feed power to the nucleo board ?
2018-08-09T17:02:48 < mawk> instead of having a secondary power supply
2018-08-09T17:02:49 < jadew> drugs simply weren't a thing - people had other stuff to worry about
2018-08-09T17:02:51 < mawk> that seem wastefum
2018-08-09T17:02:51 < Laurenceb> but she went to Hungary after that
2018-08-09T17:03:15 < zyp> mawk, maybe because it can do OTG?
2018-08-09T17:03:31 < mawk> indeed
2018-08-09T17:03:32 < Laurenceb> she got into ussr proper in 1895
2018-08-09T17:03:35 < zyp> the old f4 discovery doesn't let the user port power the board either
2018-08-09T17:03:36 < Laurenceb> *1985
2018-08-09T17:03:44 < zyp> for the same reason
2018-08-09T17:03:46 < jadew> Laurenceb, were your parents spies or something?
2018-08-09T17:03:46 < mawk> but then a jumper would've been nice
2018-08-09T17:03:50 < mawk> to select
2018-08-09T17:04:02 < Laurenceb> jadew: no just crazy
2018-08-09T17:04:03 < mawk> there's already a shitton of jumpers on the board, one more one less it's the same thing
2018-08-09T17:04:17 < jadew> Laurenceb, must have been fun
2018-08-09T17:04:21 < karlp> zyp: actualy, you could, you just had to put a jumper on,
2018-08-09T17:04:22 < Laurenceb> jadew: crazy new age traveller scene
2018-08-09T17:04:29 < karlp> but itwasn't one they provided with nice dual headers,
2018-08-09T17:04:37 < karlp> it's described in the user manual for teh board how to do it.
2018-08-09T17:04:45 < zyp> sur
2018-08-09T17:04:46 < zyp> e
2018-08-09T17:04:52 < jpa-> mawk: you can jumper wire it :P
2018-08-09T17:04:57 < Laurenceb> one of the reasons I'm so weird I guess
2018-08-09T17:05:05 < zyp> I just used a jumper wire from PA9 to 5V or something
2018-08-09T17:05:29 < jadew> Laurenceb, where were you at the time?
2018-08-09T17:05:37 < Laurenceb> not born yet :P
2018-08-09T17:06:19 < Laurenceb> jadew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwkX7D6PmcQ
2018-08-09T17:06:36 < mawk> this one karlp https://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/user_manual/group0/6e/c2/81/e8/92/5f/41/cc/DM00368330/files/DM00368330.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00368330.pdf ?
2018-08-09T17:06:40 < mawk> or you're talking about the discovery
2018-08-09T17:07:08 < karlp> I was talking about the discovery, I would _presume- the mechanism is still available.
2018-08-09T17:07:28 < Laurenceb> what would an anti discovery be called?
2018-08-09T17:07:41 < Laurenceb>  "dark ages board"  ?
2018-08-09T17:07:51 < Cracki> bonfire
2018-08-09T17:07:53 < zyp> Laurenceb, nucleo
2018-08-09T17:08:43 < mawk> the nucleo board is marked "active" on ST site
2018-08-09T17:08:47 < mawk> that's not dark age
2018-08-09T17:08:49 < mawk> plus it's cheap
2018-08-09T17:09:10 < karlp> no-one's saying they're dark ages or inactive
2018-08-09T17:09:14 < Laurenceb> mawk: I meant when you "undiscover"
2018-08-09T17:09:37 < Laurenceb> we need a new english word
2018-08-09T17:09:42 < Laurenceb> forget isn't the same
2018-08-09T17:09:59 < zyp> lose?
2018-08-09T17:10:04 < Laurenceb> maybe...
2018-08-09T17:10:14 < Laurenceb> I fail at english, depite being english
2018-08-09T17:10:36 < jpa-> loser board sounds like it, yeah
2018-08-09T17:10:39 < zyp> english is a clusterfuck of a language :p
2018-08-09T17:10:50 < mawk> then I misunderstood Laurenceb , karlp 
2018-08-09T17:10:57 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-09T17:10:59 < mawk> german is much more precise
2018-08-09T17:11:02 < mawk> or latin
2018-08-09T17:14:58 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/2522a2b272/133698.jpeg
2018-08-09T17:15:27 <@englishman> Steffanx: the st devboard that has that Murata module. I'd check but mouser's TLS cert is showing as expired...
2018-08-09T17:15:51 < Steffanx> lol i see ':D
2018-08-09T17:16:22 <@englishman> https://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/b-l072z-lrwan1.html
2018-08-09T17:16:39 < Laurenceb> hmm sigfox
2018-08-09T17:16:49 < Laurenceb> an actual pro protocol
2018-08-09T17:17:12 < Steffanx> didnt you also get some base station thingy englishman?
2018-08-09T17:17:14 < Laurenceb> >turn it into a lora/sigfox gateway so lora actually works
2018-08-09T17:17:46 <@englishman> for gateway, not sure yet, there's a ragepberripi one for cheap but the guy is out of stock and I don't feel like assembling one myself
2018-08-09T17:18:35 <@englishman> though I probably will
2018-08-09T17:19:00 < Laurenceb> https://www.sigfox.com/en/coverage
2018-08-09T17:19:02 < Laurenceb> noice
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2018-08-09T17:19:11 < Laurenceb> unless u live in wales
2018-08-09T17:19:32 <@englishman> is there a computer in wales
2018-08-09T17:19:49 < Laurenceb> only semen filled sheep
2018-08-09T17:19:53 < mawk> at school we were taught sigfox stuff, not lora
2018-08-09T17:19:57 < mawk> I'm sure the teacher had ties with sigfox
2018-08-09T17:20:02 < mawk> it's a french thing after all
2018-08-09T17:20:18 <@englishman> to use either of those at school is interesting
2018-08-09T17:20:20 < Laurenceb> >not that sigfox is infinity more pro
2018-08-09T17:20:24 < Laurenceb> ikr
2018-08-09T17:20:26 < aandrew> zero sigfox in teh canadia
2018-08-09T17:20:29 < Laurenceb> maybe he means uni
2018-08-09T17:20:35 < mawk> engineering school
2018-08-09T17:20:40 < mawk> alongside uni, in the french system
2018-08-09T17:20:44 < mawk> but it's more like the US unis
2018-08-09T17:20:55 <@englishman> Laurent, is sufficient actually good or do you just irrationally hate lora
2018-08-09T17:21:00 <@englishman> sigfox
2018-08-09T17:21:11 < Laurenceb> englishman: lora is fake "spread spectrum"
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2018-08-09T17:21:20 <@englishman> ok so it's just your hate of lora
2018-08-09T17:21:22 < Laurenceb> the FEC is half decent but nothing amazing
2018-08-09T17:21:27 < Steffanx> *LORAnceb.
2018-08-09T17:21:39 < Laurenceb> the "spreadspectrum" actually decreases performance
2018-08-09T17:21:45 <@englishman> how long ago was that mawk
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2018-08-09T17:22:05 < Laurenceb> sigfox uses psk and fec for pro performance, also its a base station service
2018-08-09T17:22:10 < Laurenceb> so its actually useful
2018-08-09T17:22:55 <@englishman> that also describes lora, except the modulation is proprietary
2018-08-09T17:23:10 < mawk> some months ago englishman 
2018-08-09T17:23:13 < Laurenceb> >except
2018-08-09T17:23:15 <@englishman> or, lorawan
2018-08-09T17:23:24 <@englishman> did you finish
2018-08-09T17:24:27 < Steffanx> Doesnt sigfox force you to use the sigfox network?
2018-08-09T17:24:35 < mawk> indeed Steffanx 
2018-08-09T17:24:53 < Steffanx> Then i agree with Laurenceb. its amazingly great.
2018-08-09T17:25:16 < Laurenceb> >as opposed to no network
2018-08-09T17:25:19 < mawk> lol
2018-08-09T17:25:28 < mawk> sigfox is already deployed everywhere
2018-08-09T17:25:38 < mawk> something like 90% of french territory has coverture
2018-08-09T17:25:47 < mawk> and even the rural areas where you don't even have GSM are covered
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2018-08-09T17:26:00 < mawk> while lorawan is still being made
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2018-08-09T17:27:21 < Cracki> >couverture
2018-08-09T17:27:23 < Cracki> delicious
2018-08-09T17:27:33 < mawk> lol
2018-08-09T17:28:00 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/2522a2b272/133700.png
2018-08-09T17:28:48 < Hamilton2> hi
2018-08-09T17:29:23 < Sadale> hah. That's a nice on Laurenceb 
2018-08-09T17:30:10 < Steffanx> there is full inhouse coverage in the netherlands mawk.
2018-08-09T17:30:14 < Steffanx> only country that matters
2018-08-09T17:30:37 < mawk> lol
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2018-08-09T17:45:38 < karlp> mawk: france != everywhere....
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2018-08-09T17:52:22 < Cracki> le monde, c'est la france
2018-08-09T18:00:29 < mawk> bien entendu
2018-08-09T18:07:25 < Steffanx> je ne parle pas français.
2018-08-09T18:24:42 < tctw> je parles francais tres bien
2018-08-09T18:25:06 <@englishman> one of the advantages of lorawan is private network
2018-08-09T18:25:17 <@englishman> tctw, how was the mud
2018-08-09T18:25:49 < tctw> tell me more
2018-08-09T18:26:19 < Steffanx> i heard swisserland is killing dutch guys. Should i be afraid?
2018-08-09T18:26:39 < zyp> tctw, don't kill Steffanx 
2018-08-09T18:28:20 < tctw> steffanx is the stabber, not the tectu
2018-08-09T18:28:24 < tctw> anyway, what happened?
2018-08-09T18:28:58 < Steffanx> not sure, just 2 random dutchies died in swisserland.
2018-08-09T18:29:16 < Steffanx> one drowned in a river another one fell down a mountain. It happens.
2018-08-09T18:29:59 < tctw> ah
2018-08-09T18:30:11 < tctw> stop doing stuff you're not experienced in then.
2018-08-09T18:30:15 < zyp> ah, the effect of being in a country that's not flat
2018-08-09T18:30:35 < zyp> we sometimes get tourists falling of mountains here too
2018-08-09T18:33:04 < Cracki> I like cycling in flatland...
2018-08-09T18:33:11 < Cracki> no uphill struggle
2018-08-09T18:33:30 < mawk> jpa-: you said you linked PA9 with E5V and that's it ?
2018-08-09T18:34:07 < karlp> soundsd about right, is it not described in the user manual?
2018-08-09T18:34:11 < mawk> there's a big warning in st docs saying that the usb connector can't power the board otherwise current-injection I/O pins bla bla
2018-08-09T18:34:17 < mawk> no karlp 
2018-08-09T18:34:26 < karlp> well, it was on the old f4 disco :)
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2018-08-09T19:06:06 < mawk> it doesn't seem to work
2018-08-09T19:06:22 < mawk> there's 5V on PA9, but when I link that to E5V nothing lights up
2018-08-09T19:06:39 < mawk> I'll have to live with two wires going to the board
2018-08-09T19:08:28 <@englishman> which chip?
2018-08-09T19:08:31 <@englishman> or which devboard
2018-08-09T19:08:39 < mawk> H743ZI
2018-08-09T19:08:42 < mawk> nucleo-144
2018-08-09T19:09:13 <@englishman> it says not to power the board via st-link usb? or user usb
2018-08-09T19:09:26 < mawk> it says to not power via user usb
2018-08-09T19:09:30 < mawk> stlink usb is fine
2018-08-09T19:09:39 <@englishman> ah i can see that
2018-08-09T19:11:01 <@englishman> yeah power detect only
2018-08-09T19:11:11 < mawk> yes
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2018-08-09T19:12:35 <@englishman> could run a wire from R68, D6, C54, U12 lots of places
2018-08-09T19:12:49 <@englishman> or jumper pa9
2018-08-09T19:12:50 <@englishman> yes
2018-08-09T19:13:05 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-09T19:13:11 < mawk> well PA9 seems to be the simplest
2018-08-09T19:13:21 < mawk> but nothing happen when I run a wire from PA9 to E5V
2018-08-09T19:13:38 < mawk> or my wire connection is lame maybe
2018-08-09T19:13:48 < mawk> but if I solder and it doesn't work there'll be ugly solder on the copper pads
2018-08-09T19:15:03 <@englishman> is is JP3 set to e5v
2018-08-09T19:15:16 < mawk> yes
2018-08-09T19:15:51 < mawk> maybe the usb connector is damaged or something
2018-08-09T19:15:52 <@englishman> so wtf
2018-08-09T19:16:02 < mawk> the box arrived a bit smashed near the usb connector
2018-08-09T19:16:17 <@englishman> but if you detect 5v on pa9
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2018-08-09T19:16:31 < mawk> indeed
2018-08-09T19:18:03 < mawk> maybe something in the software doesn't like it
2018-08-09T19:18:15 < mawk> or the usb enumeration didn't took place so not enough power
2018-08-09T19:18:19 < mawk> it's a 400 MHz chip after all
2018-08-09T19:19:02 < karlp> it's not the 400MHz....
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2018-08-09T19:21:34 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/2522a2b272/133725.jpg
2018-08-09T19:21:50 < mawk> karlp: https://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers/stm32h743zi.html
2018-08-09T19:22:13 < karlp> no, it's not failing because the chip is fast...
2018-08-09T19:22:13 < Laurenceb> 64bit float on a micro O_o
2018-08-09T19:22:25 < karlp> "micro"
2018-08-09T19:22:49 < mawk> I didn't say that because of the speed
2018-08-09T19:22:51 < karlp> this is bigger than half the targets uclinux was developed for...
2018-08-09T19:22:52 < mawk> but the power consumption
2018-08-09T19:23:03 < karlp> do you think it runs at 400mhz from reset?
2018-08-09T19:23:07 < mawk> no
2018-08-09T19:23:09 < Laurenceb> still better than BBB
2018-08-09T19:23:10 < mawk> but it's a large chip
2018-08-09T19:23:41 < karlp> is it going to draw more than 500mA?
2018-08-09T19:24:00 < mawk> I thought it was 100 mA without enumeration
2018-08-09T19:24:18 < karlp> yes, but that's ~never enforced
2018-08-09T19:24:26 < karlp> and you'd be seeing brownouts, not "it doesn't work at all"
2018-08-09T19:24:32 < mawk> I see
2018-08-09T19:24:51 < karlp> depending on your host you'd also see reports there of ports being disabled due to excessive power consumpðtion
2018-08-09T19:25:07 < karlp> the nucleo pdfs have the schematic, you can figure it out
2018-08-09T19:32:16 <@englishman> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-08/airbus-spy-drone-stretches-flight-endurance-record-to-25-days
2018-08-09T19:32:22 <@englishman> rip, HAB
2018-08-09T19:35:06 < mawk> another french douceur
2018-08-09T19:35:45 <@englishman> Airbus Defence and Space Headquarters: Ottobrunn, Germany
2018-08-09T19:37:24 <@englishman> The Airbus Zephyr is a series of lightweight solar-powered UAV originally designed and built in 2003 by the British company, QinetiQ.
2018-08-09T19:37:29 <@englishman> seems everyone but the french are doing it
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2018-08-09T19:41:24 < mawk> :(
2018-08-09T19:41:36 < mawk> airbus was born in the deep french countryside
2018-08-09T19:41:39 < mawk> or something like that
2018-08-09T19:41:47 < mawk> maybe the german bought them, but that's a good sign
2018-08-09T19:42:50 <@englishman> the only aircraft les frogs make is parrot drones
2018-08-09T19:45:35 < Steffanx> ty wikipedia to proof monsieur l'anglais wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Aircraft_manufacturers_of_France
2018-08-09T19:46:22 < mawk> and airbus is in it
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2018-08-09T19:53:18 <@englishman> hmm it is time to do thermal profiling
2018-08-09T19:53:30 <@englishman> stefs, you had a temperature logging machine you linked, right?
2018-08-09T19:54:28 < Steffanx> i dont own it myself englishman
2018-08-09T19:54:39 < Steffanx> but i linked to one, yes
2018-08-09T19:54:48 <@englishman> would you mind linking it again
2018-08-09T19:55:19 < Steffanx> loggeur d'pico.
2018-08-09T19:55:30 < Steffanx> https://www.picotech.com/data-logger/tc-08/thermocouple-data-logger
2018-08-09T19:55:38 <@englishman> ty
2018-08-09T19:55:45 < Steffanx> i heard even sync approved.
2018-08-09T19:58:25 < Steffanx> the sofware might be a bit... old though
2018-08-09T19:58:31 < Steffanx> see the windows xp style D:
2018-08-09T19:58:47 <@englishman> getting one of those and 4-5 thermocouples should be perfect
2018-08-09T19:58:57 <@englishman> just have to attach them to the pcb somehow
2018-08-09T19:59:02 < Steffanx> it seems they have some new version though
2018-08-09T20:01:40 <@englishman> +350C should be perfect
2018-08-09T20:01:58 <@englishman> i wonder what is the best way to attach it to a pcb
2018-08-09T20:03:21 < Cracki> can they be soldered?
2018-08-09T20:03:32 < Cracki> body to ground?
2018-08-09T20:03:36 <@englishman> even if they were soldered...
2018-08-09T20:04:03 <@englishman> once that board hits 260C...
2018-08-09T20:04:27 < Cracki> things start floating away if you aren't holding it even
2018-08-09T20:04:35 < Cracki> do... pressfit?
2018-08-09T20:04:37 < Cracki> so*
2018-08-09T20:04:49 < Cracki> I hear that's what some automobile manufacturers do
2018-08-09T20:05:31 < Cracki> wire through holes and around the body, twirled fast?
2018-08-09T20:05:32 <@englishman> ugh, this bom specifies both 10k and 10k 1%
2018-08-09T20:05:34 <@englishman> so lazy
2018-08-09T20:05:42 <@englishman> 84 bom lines, 200 components
2018-08-09T20:05:59 < BrainDamage> englishman: can you mount them on the edge?
2018-08-09T20:06:12 <@englishman> ideally they would be glued to the surface somehow
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2018-08-09T20:06:33 < BrainDamage> if you don't mind edge proximity, a simple office binder clip will suffice
2018-08-09T20:06:34 < Cracki> epoxy then?
2018-08-09T20:06:39 <@englishman> the thing is i would be profiling the client pcb, so i dont have control over the pcb
2018-08-09T20:06:54 <@englishman> epoxy would be nice, if i could reuse the thermocouples somehow
2018-08-09T20:08:25 < Cracki> do you anticipate actual 220°C and more?
2018-08-09T20:08:30 <@englishman> yes
2018-08-09T20:08:33 < Cracki> oy
2018-08-09T20:08:39 <@englishman> rohs reflow
2018-08-09T20:08:43 < Cracki> of course
2018-08-09T20:09:00 <@englishman> i never know what to charge for these small projects
2018-08-09T20:09:01 < Cracki> so you want to profile not just normal operation, but the reflow itself?
2018-08-09T20:09:08 < Cracki> firstborn.
2018-08-09T20:09:31 <@englishman> 200 parts, 0402, stm32, ram etc
2018-08-09T20:09:34 <@englishman> 10pcs
2018-08-09T20:09:34 < Cracki> until they take a few hours to search for competitors and then still call you
2018-08-09T20:09:40 <@englishman> 50% of work is setup
2018-08-09T20:09:52 < Steffanx> 10 pcs.. damn
2018-08-09T20:10:09 < Cracki> for 10 boards I'd get a handful of student slaves for 10 bucks an hour
2018-08-09T20:10:16 < Cracki> one would be enough even
2018-08-09T20:10:20 <@englishman> and double sided of course
2018-08-09T20:10:32 < Cracki> the picknplace can spit down the small stuff
2018-08-09T20:10:56 < Cracki> wtf charge consulting rate per hour, also machine hour
2018-08-09T20:12:11 <@englishman> i don't really like to charge by the hour
2018-08-09T20:12:14 < Cracki> so placing 2000 parts, that might be 1-2 machine hours alone (I figured a cheap desktop pnp), setup half a day....
2018-08-09T20:12:28 < Cracki> but you figure like that, then multiply by pi, and write it down
2018-08-09T20:13:16 < Cracki> if you spent more than a day on this already, because their shit data is shit, you should make that an extra item on the invoice
2018-08-09T20:13:26 <@englishman> no it's pro, altium
2018-08-09T20:13:36 < Cracki> 10k and 10k 1% you said
2018-08-09T20:13:41 <@englishman> oh yeah that
2018-08-09T20:13:46 <@englishman> and
2018-08-09T20:13:47 <@englishman> CAP CER 2.2uF 25V 10% X7R 0805 SMD
2018-08-09T20:13:50 <@englishman> is in there twice
2018-08-09T20:14:04 <@englishman> there is also 10k 0.1% but that is ok, those are $
2018-08-09T20:14:48 < Cracki> prototypes are allowed to be expensive. they probably expect a few hundred bucks per pcb
2018-08-09T20:14:51 <@englishman> 10k, 13k, 15k, and 16k
2018-08-09T20:15:24 < Cracki> lemme guess, 5-10% tolerance on those, so someone cba to round the numbers
2018-08-09T20:15:25 < Steffanx> just hire and student and let him/her do it by hand.
2018-08-09T20:15:28 < Cracki> ^
2018-08-09T20:15:41 < Cracki> or hire student to setup the pnp :>
2018-08-09T20:15:59 <@englishman> i dont want some student touching my shit
2018-08-09T20:16:10 < Steffanx> Ask tct
2018-08-09T20:16:20 < Cracki> or outsource. there are plenty of shops who specialize in that stuff. they might even have manual pnp stations, you know, nonmotorized but with vacuum and optics, and you move the stuff manually
2018-08-09T20:17:44 < Cracki> there's a company called aisler in lemiers, NL, they specialize in small batch assembly
2018-08-09T20:17:50 < Cracki> custom tooling and whatnot
2018-08-09T20:17:55 <@englishman> so do i i guess
2018-08-09T20:17:58 <@englishman> i just dont like it
2018-08-09T20:18:00 < Cracki> ;)
2018-08-09T20:18:11 < Steffanx> me googles
2018-08-09T20:18:47 <@englishman> quote sent, i put the amount of money i wanted then added 30%
2018-08-09T20:18:56 < Steffanx> oh its in the least dutch part of the netherlands i could imagine.
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2018-08-09T20:19:11 < Cracki> I know of them because they have dealings with my boss sometimes. I think they started by bagging component kits (in small numbers) and shipping those to people.
2018-08-09T20:19:22 < Cracki> just 30% is very generous
2018-08-09T20:20:46 <@englishman> Altium 18.1.8 is out
2018-08-09T20:21:04 < Steffanx> my 18.1.7 is good enough
2018-08-09T20:21:15 <@englishman> 18.1.8 is very good indeed
2018-08-09T20:21:17 <@englishman> err
2018-08-09T20:21:19 <@englishman> 18.1.7
2018-08-09T20:21:21 <@englishman> type
2018-08-09T20:21:23 <@englishman> typo
2018-08-09T20:21:24 <@englishman> fuck
2018-08-09T20:21:34 < Steffanx> no ty
2018-08-09T20:21:54 < Cracki> lel google maps has no 3d data for that place
2018-08-09T20:27:49 < zyp> maybe it's a 2d place
2018-08-09T20:28:44 < Cracki> right where the imagery has a seam, everything turns flat. you can look inside trees.
2018-08-09T20:34:43 < zyp> Steffanx, we got one of those temperature loggers at the office
2018-08-09T20:35:48 < zyp> englishman, I looked up some docs on attaching thermocouples, they talked about welding
2018-08-09T20:36:09 < zyp> I figure you could just do some cheapo spot welding
2018-08-09T20:43:06 <@englishman> maybe, but i'd like to reuse the $15 thermocouples
2018-08-09T20:43:18 <@englishman> i emailed pico to ask for recommendations 
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2018-08-09T21:05:06 <@englishman> Steffanx: https://i.imgur.com/Y4Vbnft.jpg
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2018-08-09T21:24:49 <@englishman> porsche's 350kW evse has liquid-cooled connector and cable
2018-08-09T21:24:57 <@englishman> and their new car is 800VDC
2018-08-09T21:24:58 <@englishman> neat
2018-08-09T21:25:57 < Steffanx> Trollol englishman 
2018-08-09T21:34:42 < aandrew> I want to *create* a wifi environment that has similar traffic patterns to something like an office or coffee shop or whatever. I don't necessarily need two dozen PHYSICAL devices, just something that can make an AP spew traffic as if it did have a bunch of devices talking in a typical environment. Any ideas on how to approach this?
2018-08-09T21:34:51 < aandrew> an SDR that can transmit at 2.4G would be the ultimate but I'm hoping for being able to take a USB wifi dongle and some software and doing something similar
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2018-08-09T21:48:23 < markus-k> aandrew: maybe have a look at aircrack-ng, that has lots of utilities for spamming wifi
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2018-08-09T22:17:36 < cpctr> Due to the persistent ongoing spam, all new connections are being set +R (block messages from unidentified users) and will be scanned for vulnerabilities. This will not harm your computer, and vulnerable hosts will be notified.
2018-08-09T22:18:41 < Steffanx> awh, bye dongs.
2018-08-09T22:30:10 < cpctr> Hi sir
2018-08-09T22:31:26 < cpctr> The gee en ayy ayy
2018-08-09T22:34:23 < aandrew> markus-k: good idea, thank you
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2018-08-09T23:01:09 < Cracki> who can guess which one is which? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkLNNewX4AInTLA.jpg:orig
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2018-08-09T23:01:23 < Cracki> (note both are mugshots)
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2018-08-09T23:06:08 < BrainDamage> the pissed off one
2018-08-09T23:14:19 < cpctr> Good news
2018-08-09T23:14:50 < cpctr> More people should shoot each
2018-08-09T23:15:51 < Steffanx> "Sebring then armed himself with an AR-15 and Glock" isnt R2COM into that gun?
2018-08-09T23:22:20 < Cracki> moon face is the democrat. the tough guy is obviously not.
2018-08-09T23:29:05 < BrainDamage> to this day I still can't remember the difference between a democrat and republican
2018-08-09T23:33:54 < Thorn> republicans want freedom for themselves. democrats want oppression for everyone else
2018-08-09T23:34:29 < BrainDamage> that's going to be forgotten exactly 30s after it leaves my screen
2018-08-09T23:34:56 < Steffanx> What was on your screen?
2018-08-09T23:35:30 < BrainDamage> currently a blood stain from a splattered mosquito
2018-08-09T23:35:39 < Thorn> republicans: mun guns, ban abortions, immigration, gay marriage and weed. democrats: SJW FEMINISM SAFE SPACE TRIGGERED
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2018-08-09T23:36:51 < Steffanx> Dont you kill your mosquittos with electricty
2018-08-09T23:39:07 < cpctr> Ty
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2018-08-09T23:47:06 < Cracki> mosquitto is the mqtt software package
2018-08-09T23:47:17 < Cracki> internet of shithead outed :>
2018-08-09T23:51:39 < cpctr> ok
2018-08-09T23:51:57 < cpctr> thanks for the news
2018-08-09T23:56:35 < Steffanx> Stop the negative vibe cpctr
2018-08-09T23:57:59 < cpctr> Ty
2018-08-09T23:58:25 < Steffanx> Np
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2018-08-10T00:14:05 < kakimir> snus
2018-08-10T00:15:03 < sync> no good for you
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2018-08-10T01:15:12 < kakimir> movie recommd: hot bot
2018-08-10T01:15:32 < kakimir> genre: teenage comedy
2018-08-10T01:36:04 < Steffanx> Suggestion: try imdb
2018-08-10T01:36:39 < kakimir> hot bot was the recommd
2018-08-10T01:39:57 < kakimir> it was basic dumb movie
2018-08-10T01:40:10 < kakimir> score doesn't count for basic dumb movies
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2018-08-10T01:55:55 <@englishman> a boy and his dog
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2018-08-10T02:03:38 < Laurenceb_> met pjw and alex jones today
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2018-08-10T02:09:43 <@englishman> is he investing in babby shakers
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2018-08-10T02:13:29 < kakimir> movie recommd: CHIPS
2018-08-10T02:14:42 < Laurenceb_> they were interested in G.U.I. and muh database
2018-08-10T02:15:41 < Laurenceb_> like a pair of zomies
2018-08-10T02:15:49 < Laurenceb_> s/brains!/database!
2018-08-10T02:16:43 < Laurenceb_> with epic rage cuz my system uses gui->wav->bittorrent->server->bash->database
2018-08-10T02:17:32 < Laurenceb_> and they want database on the laptop that runs the gui
2018-08-10T02:18:09 < Laurenceb_> but influxdb only runs at 50% of real time on xeon server
2018-08-10T02:22:04 < Laurenceb_> but pjw wasnt convinced and started going rage mode sarcastic
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2018-08-10T02:25:17 < sync> why the fuck are you using shittorrent
2018-08-10T02:27:05 < Laurenceb_> cuz pjw said so
2018-08-10T02:29:15 < Laurenceb_> https://postimg.cc/image/omuhj57st/
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2018-08-10T06:00:36 < jadew> Laurenceb, did they ask you to join UKIP?
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2018-08-10T08:38:35 <@englishman> https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/rosenbridge
2018-08-10T08:45:02 <@englishman> 21 instructions so far identified on the hidden cpu
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2018-08-10T09:30:55 < cpctr> Thanks mate
2018-08-10T09:33:10 < jadew> englishman, can that stuff be countered?
2018-08-10T09:33:58 <@englishman> I doubt it, if I recall, that cpu could barely play counter
2018-08-10T09:34:01 <@englishman> strike
2018-08-10T09:34:11 <@englishman> wtf kb
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2018-08-10T09:35:57 <@englishman> if you had read the readme, he shows how to disable accesses to less privileged users at boot
2018-08-10T09:36:21 < jadew> yeah, I got to that part after asking
2018-08-10T09:37:10 < jadew> why is that shit there tho?
2018-08-10T09:37:58 < jadew> does it have a legitimate reason or it's because manufacturers were forced to do it?
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2018-08-10T09:42:42 <@englishman> wait for the white paper I guess
2018-08-10T09:44:32 < cpctr> orright mate
2018-08-10T09:44:41 < cpctr> got ya grid tied solar loicence?
2018-08-10T09:44:54 < cpctr> got ya feed it back into the grid for 1.5c per kwh loicence?
2018-08-10T09:46:51 < cpctr> you can buy it back for 27c per kilowatt hour looiiiiicence
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2018-08-10T10:44:10 < Hamilton> Steffanx, It seems freenode is under attack from a bot advertising a channel
2018-08-10T10:46:34 < cpctr> a channel?
2018-08-10T10:46:53 < cpctr> It must be a good one
2018-08-10T10:48:51 < Hamilton> Better not quote that sentence
2018-08-10T10:48:52 < Hamilton> Zegnat> Yeah, looks like the *exact* sentence is in the list. So don’t quote the invite text in its entirety as m4sk1n did.
2018-08-10T11:00:55 < Steffanx> Im no sure why you tell me this Hamilton 
2018-08-10T11:01:17 < Hamilton> Steffanx, You are the mod of this channel
2018-08-10T11:01:48 < Steffanx> Yes.. we didnt have any issue so far.
2018-08-10T11:02:39 < Hamilton> I went to the channel that the bot is advertising, and there was a bot there that kicked someone quoting a sentence
2018-08-10T11:03:01 < Hamilton> I guess mods could somehow silence bots while this attack is going?
2018-08-10T11:03:10 < Hamilton> But I don't know how IRC works
2018-08-10T11:03:26 < cpctr> Wtf are you bitches babbling about?
2018-08-10T11:04:00 < Hamilton> OK. IDK. forget about it...Just wanted to help
2018-08-10T11:06:08 < cpctr> Hell, I like you, you can come over to my house and fuck my sister!
2018-08-10T11:08:43 < Steffanx> cpctr......
2018-08-10T11:09:03 < kakimir> how to calculate median from set of samples
2018-08-10T11:09:11 < cpctr> Math
2018-08-10T11:09:26 < kakimir> will check it out
2018-08-10T11:10:36 < Hamilton> kakimir, I guess you couldn't get away from sorting first
2018-08-10T11:10:38 < BrainDamage> sort and pick the mid value
2018-08-10T11:10:56 < BrainDamage> if it's a sliding window, you can get away with sorted insert
2018-08-10T11:11:10 < BrainDamage> because you only need to add 1 and subtract 1
2018-08-10T11:11:10 < kakimir> sliding window?
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2018-08-10T11:11:37 < Hamilton> Guess he means online_median_finer()
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2018-08-10T11:31:49 < Cracki> not sure you get away with less than log(n) per element
2018-08-10T11:32:43 < Cracki> remove [n-k], insert [n], select middle
2018-08-10T11:38:29 < zyp> englishman, "It is thought that only VIA C3 CPUs are affected by this issue."
2018-08-10T11:38:30 < zyp> heh
2018-08-10T11:38:38 < zyp> hardly relevant for anything
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2018-08-10T11:44:55 < qyx> it reminds me amd geode
2018-08-10T11:45:10 < qyx> I have 2 motherboards here with no use
2018-08-10T11:49:56 < Steffanx> Goos thing they invented the trash bin qyx 
2018-08-10T11:50:03 < Steffanx> Good*
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2018-08-10T12:51:57 < karlp> "portability fix - sizeof(time_t) is 4 byte not 32 bit"
2018-08-10T12:54:58 < zyp> wat
2018-08-10T12:55:17 < karlp> yeah, I'd love to know what was really being done there.
2018-08-10T12:55:20 < karlp> just a line ina  changelog :)
2018-08-10T12:55:41 < zyp> I assume people thought sizeof() returned bit-size instead of byte-size, and corrected that
2018-08-10T12:56:14 < zyp> but that doesn't have anything to do with portability
2018-08-10T12:56:31 < zyp> maybe the use of sizeof itself is considered portability
2018-08-10T12:56:44 < zyp> so they fixed the portability code, not portability itself
2018-08-10T12:56:58 < karlp> https://github.com/oetiker/rrdtool-1.x/commit/4f4c0f6b496ed18d90bcdeadb3e0ed7f40e833e0
2018-08-10T12:57:02 < karlp> yeah, found it.
2018-08-10T12:57:14 < karlp> thought sizeof was returning bits.
2018-08-10T12:57:23 < karlp> commit title was just odd.
2018-08-10T13:00:51 < cpctr> Scotty’s principal
2018-08-10T13:02:01 < cpctr> If your nigger chimps out, beat him to an inch of his life
2018-08-10T13:07:57 < jadew> I sometimes have these ideas that I find extremely funny, but I'm not sure if just me or if they're genuinely funny
2018-08-10T13:09:15 < jadew> I had an idea for a program that solves an issue I'm currently having: for the past two days I've been listening to some music videos when coding, but I have the urge of also looking at what's happening in the video, which is not possible when coding
2018-08-10T13:10:04 < jadew> stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc58tQSh5fk
2018-08-10T13:10:46 < jadew> so I thought I'd make an eye tracking program that moves the youtube window (not full screen) around the parts of my screens where I'm looking
2018-08-10T13:11:19 < jadew> so I can code and watch those awesome music videos at the same time :D
2018-08-10T13:12:00 < jpa-> yeah, that looks like the kind of videos i'd expect jadew to watch ;)
2018-08-10T13:12:03 < emeryth> just use lunix and have transparent windows on top of the video
2018-08-10T13:12:17 < jpa-> learn to code without looking at the code
2018-08-10T13:12:41 < jadew> emeryth, 3 screens, I'm bound to look away
2018-08-10T13:12:53 < jadew> jpa-, that would be a good skill to have
2018-08-10T13:13:44 < jadew> that's a bad example of video tho, I don't particularly like that one
2018-08-10T13:13:49 < zyp> haha
2018-08-10T13:17:29 < jadew> this is a better example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCcdYVAMGI4
2018-08-10T13:17:38 < jadew> try coding with that running on another screen, it's impossible
2018-08-10T13:19:33 < jpa-> minimize the window :P
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2018-08-10T14:18:18 < karlp> nice: https://github.com/tinyfpga/TinyFPGA-B-Series/tree/795e454b45173d593e32c5f7037f305ca3f5208d/bootloader/verilog
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2018-08-10T14:25:32 < Laurenceb_> supp
2018-08-10T14:27:49 < tomeaton17> hello
2018-08-10T14:28:46 < Laurenceb_> le female incel https://imgur.com/a/SDXCcSd
2018-08-10T14:29:40 < Laurenceb_> almost as bad as my camwhore cousins house lol
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2018-08-10T14:35:56 < jadew> who the hell lived there?
2018-08-10T14:36:21 < jadew> at first I thought I could have done that too, but nah... I threw the trash out regularly
2018-08-10T14:38:14 < jadew> another advantage of being a guy is that you get to sleep with girls and they feel the need to clean if they see you living in filth
2018-08-10T14:38:33 < jadew> *an advantage
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2018-08-10T14:48:18 < Laurenceb_> jadew: photographers female cousin
2018-08-10T14:49:56 < tomeaton17> just disgusting
2018-08-10T14:51:41 < jadew> that's at least 3 years of not doing anything
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2018-08-10T15:20:22 < aandrew> Laurenceb: wow that's quite the album
2018-08-10T15:25:03 < sync> nice Laurenceb
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2018-08-10T15:33:06 < Steffanx> Let the shitposting begin \o/
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2018-08-10T15:48:02 < Steffanx> Ofcourse.
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2018-08-10T15:56:28 < zyp> always fun when people manage to fuck up pinouts in schematics
2018-08-10T15:56:47 < zyp> somehow somebody managed to swap pin 1/3 and 2/4
2018-08-10T15:56:48 <@englishman> zyp, I agree, still interesting as fuck
2018-08-10T15:57:01 <@englishman> makes you wonder what is in the Intel security coprocessor
2018-08-10T15:57:05 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/onqan.jpg <- fun to fix too
2018-08-10T16:04:09 < karlp> nice, I just managed to crash gnome-terminal-server and lost all my windows.
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2018-08-10T16:09:15 < bitmask> hmm, how to remove the support interface: https://imgur.com/a/MpG8tzp
2018-08-10T16:10:53 < zyp> dual extruder with a PVA-based filament in the second to make a soluble interface layer
2018-08-10T16:11:27 < tomeaton17> >gnome-terminal
2018-08-10T16:11:28 < karlp> bitmask: what's that now?
2018-08-10T16:11:38 < karlp> tomeaton17: first time for everything :)
2018-08-10T16:12:07 < bitmask> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1966169
2018-08-10T16:12:40 < tomeaton17> karlp, haha was just playing, its actually quite a nice term 
2018-08-10T16:15:39 < cpctr> u
2018-08-10T16:19:25 < sync> oh that is pretty interesting zyp englishman
2018-08-10T16:27:12 <@englishman> yes
2018-08-10T16:27:17 <@englishman> v mysterious
2018-08-10T16:29:02 < zyp> I think the presented theory sounds plausible
2018-08-10T16:29:17 < zyp> "VIA processors are renowned for their low power usage and excellence in embedded designs; we believe that the functionality described was created in good faith as a useful feature for the embedded market, and was unintentionally left enabled on some early generations of the processor."
2018-08-10T16:30:40 < zyp> just a ridiculously thick solder mask
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2018-08-10T16:31:48 < zyp> the mask? idk, I didn't spec it
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2018-08-10T16:58:12 < jadew> zyp, your PCB photos are always great
2018-08-10T16:58:24 < zyp> thx
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2018-08-10T17:00:56 < jadew> bitmask, that looks very useful
2018-08-10T17:01:17 < jadew> </sarcasm> could be fun tho
2018-08-10T17:01:19 < bitmask> why does everything have to be useful
2018-08-10T17:01:29 < jadew> it doesn't, why is it so big?
2018-08-10T17:01:55 < bitmask> what is big?
2018-08-10T17:02:01 < jadew> the stand looks really big
2018-08-10T17:02:43 < bitmask> the base or the whole stand?
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2018-08-10T17:03:12 < bitmask> I don't think its that big
2018-08-10T17:03:43 < bitmask> oh in the pic with the little airplane? 
2018-08-10T17:03:58 < bitmask> it does look big there, its only like half that height, not sure why its like that
2018-08-10T17:04:48 < jadew> maybe post a picture when it's done?
2018-08-10T17:05:23 < bitmask> will do, it will be my first pcb etching project so it might take a while :)
2018-08-10T17:05:44 < jadew> have fun, tonner transfer or photo?
2018-08-10T17:06:26 < bitmask> don't hate, i know its not the best method, but I bought markers that people recommend and I'm gonna use my pen plotter to draw it
2018-08-10T17:06:38 < jadew> ah, neat
2018-08-10T17:07:05 < jadew> take many pictures :)
2018-08-10T17:07:13 < day> bitmask: whats the thinnest line you can make with that technique?"
2018-08-10T17:07:25 < bitmask> not sure how the edges will turn out but people say these staedtler permanent markers are good
2018-08-10T17:07:29 < day> pen plotter sounds at least decently reliable
2018-08-10T17:07:43 < bitmask> 0.4mm tips
2018-08-10T17:08:10 < day> hm
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2018-08-10T17:08:55 < bitmask> I see kicad can convert gerber files or whatever into svg, and then I can use inkscape to convert thick lines to multiple passes of thin lines and then my pen plotter can read those svgs
2018-08-10T17:09:23 < jadew> make a movie!
2018-08-10T17:09:36 < bitmask> I need to print a phone tripod
2018-08-10T17:09:41 < jadew> haha
2018-08-10T17:09:50 < bitmask> I usually say fuck it because its impossible to hold a phone and get anything done
2018-08-10T17:10:03 < jadew> rest it on something
2018-08-10T17:10:22 < jadew> get some rubber bands
2018-08-10T17:10:26 < bitmask> I did print a phone holder for my plotter, its not as stable as I was hoping though and vibrates
2018-08-10T17:11:03 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/bhqEVPB.png
2018-08-10T17:11:03 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/snID7q3.png
2018-08-10T17:11:39 < day> that looks like china quality 10years ago (everything plastic) :P
2018-08-10T17:11:53 < bitmask> I can print out a tripod base for that though instead of clilpping it on the plotter
2018-08-10T17:14:35 < jpa-> i think bitmask likes to print stuff
2018-08-10T17:14:43 < bitmask> :)
2018-08-10T17:15:27 < jadew> bitmask, did you design the stand too?
2018-08-10T17:15:49 < bitmask> nah its part of this modular phone stand on thingiverse
2018-08-10T17:16:14 < bitmask> I just made a piece that screws into the psu holder of the plotter
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2018-08-10T17:18:13 < jadew> I'm really curious how the plotter will work out, if you manage to make PCBs with it, then it might actually turn out to be useful
2018-08-10T17:19:24 < bitmask> yea it will be nice, and I think I'm going to do a v2 of the plotter in that case to take off the second arm and make it much more stable
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2018-08-10T17:19:46 < bitmask> double up the rails, at least the bottom axis
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2018-08-10T17:20:11 < jadew> how big is it? I think that if you make it compact enough and good enough, you could actually sell it
2018-08-10T17:20:30 < bitmask> because it twists a bit when the arm is fully extended and lifts the pen up 
2018-08-10T17:21:11 < bitmask> its way too big, I wasn't attempting to go for compact, the rails are 400mm and the printed parts add a lot of unnecessary heft
2018-08-10T17:21:39 < bitmask> but V2 I may just drop the castle theme and go for compactness
2018-08-10T17:21:51 < bitmask> it was fun while it lasted
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2018-08-10T17:34:31 <@englishman> sync: 
2018-08-10T17:34:32 <@englishman> http://datasheets.chipdb.org/VIA/Nehemiah/VIA%20C3%20Nehemiah%20Datasheet%20R113.pdf
2018-08-10T17:34:37 <@englishman> page 82
2018-08-10T17:35:52 <@englishman> also
2018-08-10T17:36:01 <@englishman> VIA/Centaur C3 processors are internally RISC and the front end converts x86 instructions into RISC instructions that the processor executes.
2018-08-10T17:36:06 <@englishman> cool
2018-08-10T17:38:09 < qyx> lol
2018-08-10T17:40:11 < Laurenceb> https://webmshare.com/play/4yMnK
2018-08-10T17:41:52 < kakimir> englishman: those were the times
2018-08-10T17:42:07 < kakimir> I think there was some other manuf that did the same
2018-08-10T17:42:12 < kakimir> trans... something
2018-08-10T17:42:15 < karlp> transmeta
2018-08-10T17:42:44 < kakimir> I drooled after mini laptops in 2000's with transmeta cpu
2018-08-10T17:43:17 < zyp> I think I had a Centaur WinChip once, that seems to be the generation before C3
2018-08-10T17:44:02 < zyp> oh, I think those old x86 tablets I picked up for $5/ea ten years ago were based on some transmeta stuff
2018-08-10T17:44:14 < zyp> hmm, maybe it was $10/ea
2018-08-10T17:44:19 < zyp> or even $20/ea
2018-08-10T17:44:53 < kakimir> I think I saw only intel atoms and some via shiet
2018-08-10T17:44:58 < kakimir> in those crapbooks
2018-08-10T17:45:03 < kakimir> or before that
2018-08-10T17:45:04 < kakimir> ?
2018-08-10T17:45:31 < zyp> this shit was older than netbooks
2018-08-10T17:45:45 < zyp> https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6793 <- these, I believe
2018-08-10T17:46:06 < zyp> I think I still got them in a box somewhere
2018-08-10T17:46:09 < sync> ah oh englishman, I remember reading that somewhere
2018-08-10T17:55:30 < bitmask> ugh, theres plastic shavings everywhere
2018-08-10T17:56:07 < zyp> that's what happens when you shave plastic
2018-08-10T17:56:16 < bitmask> :)
2018-08-10T17:56:28 < bitmask> I should have just tried to reprint it without support
2018-08-10T17:57:53 < bitmask> aaaaand I cant find the broom
2018-08-10T17:57:58 < kakimir> I love to work in evenings
2018-08-10T17:58:22 < kakimir> later shift dudes are chill and I can focus on one thing for 3hours straight
2018-08-10T18:01:42 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/2522a2b272/133983.png
2018-08-10T18:15:15 < Cracki> ave
2018-08-10T18:15:29 < Cracki> cool wine aunt is always dtf
2018-08-10T18:17:43 < Cracki> at uni some sjw doctoral student came wandering in... eventually excused himself, his boss expects him to work. half an hour later I see him sjwposting on twitter.
2018-08-10T18:18:00 < bitmask> haha I need to stop pretending I know how to clean up plastic...
2018-08-10T18:18:00 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/cwnPKge.png
2018-08-10T18:18:41 < Laurenceb> looks like clay
2018-08-10T18:18:52 < Laurenceb> also 
2018-08-10T18:18:54 < Laurenceb> >FDM
2018-08-10T18:19:24 <@englishman> hey laurent
2018-08-10T18:19:27 <@englishman> https://i.imgur.com/HvsNvmS.png
2018-08-10T18:19:31 <@englishman> lora in a professional product
2018-08-10T18:20:31 <@englishman> where is your axsem
2018-08-10T18:21:00 < Cracki> lovely clay, bitmask. did you reheat that? or smear something else on top? or chemically solve it?
2018-08-10T18:21:28 < Cracki> englishman, such a funny waterfall...
2018-08-10T18:21:34 < bitmask> dremel, probably the heat from friction that caused it look like clay
2018-08-10T18:21:37 < Cracki> I presume the red dashes are... what?
2018-08-10T18:21:43 < Cracki> dremel it moar
2018-08-10T18:21:49 < Cracki> slowly tho
2018-08-10T18:22:03 < qyx> englishman: I did axsem
2018-08-10T18:22:04 < bitmask> nah its fine as is, its the inside so it doesnt really matter
2018-08-10T18:22:08 < qyx> Laurenceb is silabs positive
2018-08-10T18:22:16 < qyx> or better I did not
2018-08-10T18:22:24 <@englishman> did you actually get it working
2018-08-10T18:22:28 <@englishman> wasnt that 2 years ago
2018-08-10T18:22:29 < qyx> tx only
2018-08-10T18:22:31 < qyx> sure
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2018-08-10T18:23:50 < Laurenceb> englishman: dat spectrum
2018-08-10T18:23:54 < Laurenceb> oh god why
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2018-08-10T18:24:28 < Cracki> dremeling plastic best done with coolant, water or something
2018-08-10T18:24:58 < Cracki> or pressurized air
2018-08-10T18:25:19 < Laurenceb> qyx: actual working silabs codez is on my github
2018-08-10T18:25:25 < Laurenceb> wow that lora is shit
2018-08-10T18:25:26 < Cracki> depends on whether you want a mess to mop up off the floor or a mess to dust off all the furniture
2018-08-10T18:25:39 < Laurenceb> lets shit on the spectrum like its 1890 
2018-08-10T18:26:25 < Cracki> looks to me like short blips of a certain bandwidth
2018-08-10T18:26:37 < Laurenceb>  "spread spectrum"
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2018-08-10T18:26:38 < Cracki> and a very flat background noise
2018-08-10T18:27:38 < Laurenceb> I got to approx 150dB link margin in real world with silabs at 200bps
2018-08-10T18:27:53 < Laurenceb> lora __claims__ 157dB at 18bps
2018-08-10T18:29:19 < Laurenceb> silabs can go slower than 200 too aiui, but I havent actually tried as itd need to abuse the frequency hopping for afc
2018-08-10T18:29:35 < Laurenceb> there is a video of that working on youtube but no codez so I didnt bother
2018-08-10T18:29:38 < BrainDamage> where is the silabs code?
2018-08-10T18:29:47 < BrainDamage> there's multiple repos that have radio-related shit
2018-08-10T18:30:06 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32_Launcher/blob/master/Silabs/si446x.c
2018-08-10T18:30:47 < BrainDamage> k, I might test it myself in the future
2018-08-10T18:31:29 < Laurenceb> sigfox is where its at, PSK with FEC
2018-08-10T18:31:39 < Laurenceb> the theoretically optimal solution
2018-08-10T18:32:19 < Laurenceb> sigfox to a balloon could get lulzy
2018-08-10T18:34:09 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: u might like this, I proved polywell wont work
2018-08-10T18:34:15 < Laurenceb> not sure if happy or sad
2018-08-10T18:34:27 < Laurenceb> no cheap energy but polywell fanboyz got pwnd
2018-08-10T18:36:41 < Laurenceb> there electrostatic nonsense wont work due to shielding by the plasma
2018-08-10T18:36:45 < Laurenceb> *their
2018-08-10T18:37:36 < Steffanx> did you actually publicly show this or is it all on irc where they wont ever see it?
2018-08-10T18:37:47 < Laurenceb> no, too lazy
2018-08-10T18:37:55 < Laurenceb> I'll just shitpost about it on irc
2018-08-10T18:38:12 < Laurenceb> I think everyone sane has worked this out already, thats why they cant get funding for it
2018-08-10T18:38:30 < Steffanx> meh
2018-08-10T18:39:37 <@englishman> scamfox
2018-08-10T18:40:53 <@englishman> Sigfox could change the world by bringing the virtual and physical worlds together through a new paradigm based on the 
2018-08-10T18:40:55 <@englishman> avoid avoid avoid
2018-08-10T18:41:39 < Laurenceb> keeeek
2018-08-10T18:41:55 < Cracki> >The existing standard for Sigfox communications supports up to 140 uplink messages a day, each of which can carry a payload of 12 Bytes
2018-08-10T18:42:04 < Cracki> so they have rate limiting in the standard or what
2018-08-10T18:42:20 < Laurenceb> Cracki: aiui u are breaking 868mhz rules otherwise
2018-08-10T18:42:28 < Cracki> wut
2018-08-10T18:42:33 < Cracki> that's 13440 bits/day
2018-08-10T18:42:34 < Laurenceb> due to silly duty cycle limits
2018-08-10T18:42:44 < Laurenceb> that nobody actually obeys
2018-08-10T18:42:48 < Cracki> orly
2018-08-10T18:42:55 < Laurenceb>  0.01% or something
2018-08-10T18:43:10 < Cracki> it's ism, what limits are there that make you talk this little
2018-08-10T18:43:36 < Steffanx> in dutchland 868 is 1%..
2018-08-10T18:43:40 < Laurenceb> if you reduce to 5mW or so you can use higher duty cycle
2018-08-10T18:43:58 < Cracki> ah tx power is high while it sends! how high?
2018-08-10T18:44:04 < Laurenceb> aiui duty cycle comes in at higher power
2018-08-10T18:44:16 < Laurenceb> dunno its hidden in some document somewhere
2018-08-10T18:44:20 < Cracki> hmhm
2018-08-10T18:44:26 <@englishman> sounds awesome!!
2018-08-10T18:44:40 <@englishman> like hidden axsem registers!!!
2018-08-10T18:44:45 < Laurenceb> englishman: some rule applies to lora
2018-08-10T18:44:48 <@englishman> Laurenceb gives the best advice
2018-08-10T18:44:52 < Steffanx> lol was about to say that.
2018-08-10T18:44:59 < Steffanx> in dutchland its in the same band.
2018-08-10T18:45:15 < Laurenceb>  *same
2018-08-10T18:46:15 < Steffanx> oh its actually EU regulation crap
2018-08-10T18:46:29 < Cracki> of course it is, who else regulates like the germans
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2018-08-10T18:48:58 < Steffanx> better get rid of you ikea lights and get some unifi lights zyp: https://store.ubnt.com/collections/led/products/unifi-led-panel lol.
2018-08-10T18:49:21 < Cracki> power over wifi ftw
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2018-08-10T18:49:41 < Laurenceb> whyyy
2018-08-10T18:49:48 < Laurenceb> PoE lighting
2018-08-10T18:49:57 < Cracki> 2300 lumen for 140 bucks, you can get that cheaper
2018-08-10T18:49:59 < Laurenceb> Cracki: not ubeam
2018-08-10T18:50:35 < karlp> lolrence, what do you mean why?
2018-08-10T18:50:37 < Cracki> PoE electric blanket
2018-08-10T18:51:06 < karlp> building automation and power in the same cable? why wouldn't you want that.
2018-08-10T18:52:00 < Cracki> ethernet over power line. next up: inflated rubber streets, cars get stone wheels.
2018-08-10T18:52:03 < Laurenceb> Cuz PoE is not designed for serious power distribution for lighting and stuff
2018-08-10T18:52:10 < karlp> says who?
2018-08-10T18:52:12 < Laurenceb> kek Cracki
2018-08-10T18:52:23 < Cracki> darkwing duck did it first
2018-08-10T18:52:37 < karlp> you think they made a power over ethernet thing and decided "nah, it's not actually for powering things"
2018-08-10T18:54:37 < Cracki> how did poe start? wasn't it for IP telephones first, which needed separate power, unlike pots phones?
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2018-08-10T18:54:56 < karlp> was one of the most common early users, not sure if it was why it was made
2018-08-10T18:55:10 < Cracki> I see poe used for wlan APs and whatnot, not for general lighting
2018-08-10T18:55:32 < Cracki> power cable is so much cheaper than ethernet cabling
2018-08-10T18:55:45 < Steffanx> it seems its nothing new. philips does it, maxim even has a fancy dev kit: https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/power/display-power-control/MAX16832CEVKIT.html/tb_tab3
2018-08-10T18:55:56 < Cracki> they have kits for everything
2018-08-10T18:55:56 < karlp> wlan access points was the other common one.
2018-08-10T18:56:19 < Cracki> wonder if they have an indian child somewhere that must assemble each devkit by hand as soon as it's ordered
2018-08-10T18:56:36 < karlp> depends where/howyou ant to control the lights, wether poe makes sense or not
2018-08-10T18:56:41 < Steffanx> oh that kit isnt really poe it seems
2018-08-10T18:56:47 < Cracki> that maxim thing is a led driver, not poe
2018-08-10T18:57:10 < Steffanx> they lied to me "Get your MAX16832 EV kit today. It comes with everything you'll need to evaluate your PoE-driven LED lamp."
2018-08-10T18:58:40 < tomeaton17> Why does that website request a monospace font? it looks bad on my pc
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2018-08-10T18:59:13 < Cracki> perhaps you lack the first seven fonts they specified in the font-family css
2018-08-10T18:59:26 < tomeaton17> perhaps
2018-08-10T18:59:39 < Cracki> Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif
2018-08-10T18:59:57 < Cracki> your system must substitute whatever, i see no other way to get monospace in there
2018-08-10T19:03:31 < Steffanx> Time to write some trojan/virus that replaces all fonts with times new roman, or comic sans
2018-08-10T19:03:41 < Steffanx> I bet someone already did that.
2018-08-10T19:04:31 < tomeaton17> it must substitute sans-serif for monospace
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2018-08-10T19:15:50 < Steffanx> What awesome os do you use tomeaton17 ?
2018-08-10T19:16:54 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: arch linux. I am a hacker man
2018-08-10T19:21:30 < Steffanx> Aha
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2018-08-10T19:22:18 < tomeaton17> Tbh its a pita but its probably more of pita to change to another one
2018-08-10T19:22:30 < invzim> pros..  anyone been involved in emc testing?
2018-08-10T19:23:49 < Steffanx> Yes a bit. But mainly as a sw engineeer
2018-08-10T19:25:37 < invzim> trying to orient myself in what's involved and what kind of stuff/circuits one need to take care with
2018-08-10T19:26:24 < invzim> is it mostly big noisy psu thingies, or can low-speed (but sharp edges) low-voltage stuff also be "bad"?
2018-08-10T19:34:09 < karlp> remmeber there's both immunity _and_ emmisions
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2018-08-10T19:41:01 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: what os do you use?
2018-08-10T19:42:35 < Steffanx> Windows and os x mainly.
2018-08-10T19:43:00 < Steffanx> Im no hacker man
2018-08-10T19:43:35 < tomeaton17> lol. I don't have the money for mac os
2018-08-10T19:46:20 < Steffanx> Hackintosh is free-ish. Oh i run that too
2018-08-10T19:50:36 < tomeaton17> I had a look at that a while back but it seemed a bit flaky
2018-08-10T19:55:39 < Cracki> get a scope, use the probe as an rf wand
2018-08-10T19:56:13 < Cracki> switch it to spectrum mode if it has that
2018-08-10T19:56:23 < sync> invzim: a low speed signal with high edge speed is not low speed at all then
2018-08-10T19:56:41 < Cracki> that's why you should configure slew rate on your pins
2018-08-10T19:56:54 < Cracki> no need to drive things too hard
2018-08-10T19:57:15 < sync> yes
2018-08-10T19:57:48 < Cracki> scope all the things
2018-08-10T19:58:22 < Cracki> I think I saw someone make an rf wand (with a coil) and dsp it into audible range
2018-08-10T19:58:32 < Cracki> that's a very useful tool
2018-08-10T19:58:59 < Cracki> you get a sense of the situation with a second of two of waving it over the board or whatever
2018-08-10T19:59:49 < invzim> sync: exactly..
2018-08-10T20:00:24 < invzim> but every circuit emits stuff, if you look closely enough
2018-08-10T20:00:34 < invzim> so 'how close' should one look?
2018-08-10T20:00:38 < Cracki> https://github.com/hampussandberg/HexConnect/wiki/STM32-GPIO-Speed
2018-08-10T20:00:57 < Cracki> depends... is this for certification?
2018-08-10T20:01:11 < Cracki> if so, you might need to get real measurements, i.e. measure the radiated power
2018-08-10T20:01:20 < Cracki> or estimate it at least
2018-08-10T20:01:23 < invzim> no, just learning - so if I one day would need certification, my design will likely be ok
2018-08-10T20:01:37 < Cracki> you might wanna measure what neighboring traces on the board "receive"
2018-08-10T20:01:38 < invzim> i.e. don't do the really stupid stuff
2018-08-10T20:03:04 < Cracki> tons of "rule of thumb" advice like shielding stuff with ground polygon around it, riveting down any "peninsulas", ...
2018-08-10T20:04:12 < invzim> yeah, but I find that a lot of 'rule of thumb' stuff is plain false/not backed up by fact or empirical data
2018-08-10T20:04:38 < invzim> google decoupling layout or 90degree traces for example :)
2018-08-10T20:05:36 < invzim> the ground polygon, if I understand correctly, makes no sense if you have 4 layer and gnd plane, as that will be closer
2018-08-10T20:06:00 < invzim> maybe I'm just fishing for an excuse to buy an SA :)
2018-08-10T20:06:24 < Steffanx> You should also read up about all the immunity tests. With all the nice coupling into cables etc.
2018-08-10T20:07:01 < Cracki> in rf, unconnected copper *has* a function. I think it acts like a capacitor
2018-08-10T20:09:58 < Cracki> btw, judging from the scope views on that github repo, even the weakest drive setting is good enough for perhaps 10 MHz
2018-08-10T20:10:43 < Cracki> not sure what kinda load he tested with
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2018-08-10T21:11:17 < kakimir> 2 direction buck regulator
2018-08-10T21:11:21 < kakimir> is it a thing
2018-08-10T21:13:07 < kakimir> can step-down in both directions
2018-08-10T21:13:28 < jpa-> buck-boost can do that
2018-08-10T21:14:09 < jpa-> a synchronous buck converter in reverse is a boost converter
2018-08-10T21:14:22 < kakimir> what I mean
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2018-08-10T21:15:50 < kakimir> I have 2 potentials and I want device that can balance those potentials to same potential and do it with smaller losses than burning it all into heat in load resistors
2018-08-10T21:17:00 < kakimir> and all of a<b, a>b and a=b can be true
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2018-08-10T21:20:34 < kakimir> so after the potential difference is minimized a transistor circuit ties those 2 signals with low resistance path
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2018-08-10T21:29:19 < Cracki> interesting
2018-08-10T21:29:40 < Cracki> do you have common ground?
2018-08-10T21:30:04 < BrainDamage> a buck boost is inverting
2018-08-10T21:30:19 < BrainDamage> you want a sepic
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2018-08-10T21:31:03 < kakimir> Cracki: I have common
2018-08-10T21:31:27 < BrainDamage> then you can't use an inverting configuration
2018-08-10T21:31:29 < kakimir> buck boost can run in reverse?
2018-08-10T21:31:29 < Cracki> good. I was gonna say, this sounds like a connection in distributed power grid
2018-08-10T21:31:52 < BrainDamage> yes it can
2018-08-10T21:31:59 < Cracki> voltage ratio between both, or how do you determine which way the current ahs to flow?
2018-08-10T21:32:00 < kakimir> interesting
2018-08-10T21:32:39 < kakimir> Cracki: at least mcu measures both
2018-08-10T21:32:53 < kakimir> I just starting to form the idea
2018-08-10T21:33:00 < Cracki> sounds like taking apart a buck/boost and controlling how it charges its power stores
2018-08-10T21:33:29 < Laurenceb> surely an inductor between the two rails and a fet
2018-08-10T21:33:44 < Laurenceb> if the voltage is high enough add some diodes
2018-08-10T21:34:31 < Cracki> do the mcu has to figure whether it must boost one way, or buck the other, or do nothing (hysteresis)
2018-08-10T21:34:43 < kakimir> voltages are in about range 2.4 - 4.3volts
2018-08-10T21:34:51 < Cracki> oh that's convenient
2018-08-10T21:35:36 < Cracki> sounds like a charge controller...
2018-08-10T21:37:00 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-10T21:37:37 < kakimir> wait
2018-08-10T21:37:47 < kakimir> what if I want buck boost in both directions
2018-08-10T21:38:04 < Cracki> same I guess
2018-08-10T21:38:17 < Cracki> there are monodirectional buck+boost converted
2018-08-10T21:38:20 < Cracki> ers
2018-08-10T21:38:30 < Cracki> I imagine you take its components and mirror them
2018-08-10T21:38:35 < Cracki> and let the mcu control it all
2018-08-10T21:39:44 < Cracki> I'm just a computer scientist, I have no idea how to design such a circuit
2018-08-10T21:40:24 < kakimir> me neather
2018-08-10T21:40:38 < kakimir> I just want it cheap and handle a lot of amps
2018-08-10T21:43:24 < BrainDamage> a buck boost is inherently bidirectional
2018-08-10T21:43:40 < kakimir> I just try to figure out how to do a modular litium battery system where you can hotplug 1S packs in kind of grid structure
2018-08-10T21:43:41 < BrainDamage> the structure is simple enough
2018-08-10T21:43:47 < Cracki> I feel like I'm the only one who understood the problem
2018-08-10T21:44:05 < BrainDamage> no, the problem is easy, so is the answer
2018-08-10T21:44:32 < kakimir> when pack is pushed into system it needs to balance with level with other modules in same potential
2018-08-10T21:45:06 < Cracki> you pump charge to one side or the other, but you modulate how much you pump so to achieve a desired voltage on the destination side
2018-08-10T21:46:26 < Cracki> if you don't get the voltage hysteresis right, one module might see the common voltage and think it's too low and then push itself empty trying to raise it, while the others see increased voltage and suck it up
2018-08-10T21:46:54 < kakimir> I mean I want to minimize per pack price of the electronics required
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2018-08-10T21:48:39 < kakimir> hmm
2018-08-10T21:49:07 < kakimir> I figured it out
2018-08-10T21:49:28 < kakimir> pack would have more than 2 power terminals
2018-08-10T21:49:32 < kakimir> actually 3
2018-08-10T21:49:44 < kakimir> and 2 power transistor circuits
2018-08-10T21:50:20 < kakimir> shared balancing to paraller packs
2018-08-10T21:51:02 < kakimir> one pack at time per certain amount of paraller packs have common in paraller balancer
2018-08-10T21:51:55 < kakimir> when you push 150Ah empty pack into system it takes some power to charge if the other packs are full
2018-08-10T21:53:36 < kakimir> 150Ah pack would be concidered - small
2018-08-10T21:54:40 < Cracki> and you talked about 2.4 - 4.3volts
2018-08-10T21:54:49 < Cracki> so... copper bars or what
2018-08-10T21:54:58 < kakimir> no way
2018-08-10T21:55:01 < Cracki> or do you want these things to take forever to charge
2018-08-10T21:55:13 < kakimir> big rails of aluminum
2018-08-10T21:55:54 < kakimir> rolled material
2018-08-10T21:56:00 < kakimir> cheap cheap
2018-08-10T21:57:27 < kakimir> do you get the idea Cracki what I'm planning?
2018-08-10T21:57:55 < Cracki> I think you want to cause some metal to melt
2018-08-10T21:57:59 < emeryth> where is the benefit in any of this? you're just discharging batteries into each other
2018-08-10T21:59:57 < kakimir> hot plug
2018-08-10T22:00:49 < Cracki> it will be
2018-08-10T22:01:00 < kakimir> hot?
2018-08-10T22:02:20 < kakimir> hopefully not
2018-08-10T22:02:56 <@englishman> just discharge them in sequence
2018-08-10T22:03:15 <@englishman> safer too
2018-08-10T22:03:31 < kakimir> and charge?
2018-08-10T22:03:40 < kakimir> there needs to be still switches
2018-08-10T22:04:01 < kakimir> higher currents - higher wear and heating of the batteries
2018-08-10T22:05:09 <@englishman> depends
2018-08-10T22:05:26 <@englishman> you design your batteries for your use case
2018-08-10T22:05:30 <@englishman> they are not bro technology
2018-08-10T22:05:38 <@englishman> you don't have to make assumptions
2018-08-10T22:06:01 < kakimir> nope
2018-08-10T22:06:01 <@englishman> you have the choice of being pro ee or bro ee
2018-08-10T22:06:12 < kakimir> this system should be universal and scaleable
2018-08-10T22:06:16 <@englishman> will you drink tea tonight, or jagerbombs
2018-08-10T22:06:22 < kakimir> nope
2018-08-10T22:07:15 < kakimir> will you?
2018-08-10T22:08:52 < Cracki> jagerbomb tea?
2018-08-10T22:30:39 < Steffanx>  Schultenbräu
2018-08-10T22:36:38 < Cracki> Schulterbraten
2018-08-10T22:36:51 < Steffanx> Nah we have this cheap aldi beer, Schultenbräu.
2018-08-10T22:37:30 < Cracki> aldi is where the tramps go piss
2018-08-10T22:38:05 < Cracki> could also be the inner-city location... yes that's it
2018-08-10T22:38:41 < Steffanx> you prefer lidl?
2018-08-10T22:39:21 < Cracki> sounds similar
2018-08-10T22:39:26 < Cracki> I actually shop at rewe mostly
2018-08-10T22:40:20 < Cracki> their stocking habits could be better but the prices are ok and they usually have anything I need
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2018-08-10T22:40:57 < Cracki> and apart from the drunk party kids streaming out of the movie theater around the corner and raiding the beer aisle, it's tidy
2018-08-10T22:42:10 < Cracki> hey Laurenceb, imagine elliot rodger pictures with sharpie benny for the face
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2018-08-10T22:43:55 < Steffanx> He wont respond, he's quieted.
2018-08-10T22:44:29 < Cracki> awww :P
2018-08-10T22:45:03 < Steffanx> ( he's not but .. i wanted to make you belive that )
2018-08-10T22:45:32 < Cracki> it took me 5 seconds to scroll up to his last words (heh) and scan for the mode change that wasn't there
2018-08-10T22:45:51 < Cracki> I wonder why that isn't expressed as a mode char somehow...
2018-08-10T22:46:02 < Cracki> - is already legal and common in nicks, so that's out
2018-08-10T22:46:53 < Cracki> $ mebbeh, like silence is gold(en)
2018-08-10T22:47:43 < Steffanx> heh indeed. idk
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2018-08-11T00:22:19 < invzim> GODDAMNIT
2018-08-11T00:22:29 < invzim> never chap banana plugs again, evar
2018-08-11T00:22:40 < Steffanx> lol is it bad invzim?
2018-08-11T00:23:05 < invzim> doing QA checking with rigol dp831 as reference, and got good/not great results with a bit of variance
2018-08-11T00:23:20 < invzim> resolder,rework connector and whatnot - can't find a pattern
2018-08-11T00:23:35 < invzim> turns out it's the shitty banana plugs
2018-08-11T00:23:45 < invzim> wiggle them and the DUT boots
2018-08-11T00:24:15 < invzim> at least mystery is solved, DUT are good
2018-08-11T00:26:02 < invzim> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Optional-4mm-5-Color-Nickel-Plated-Stackable-Banana-Male-Test-Plug-Connector-Lot-/192594502629?var=&hash=item2cd786e3e5
2018-08-11T00:26:07 < invzim> stay away
2018-08-11T00:26:49 < Steffanx> but what was the issue? The plugs or your wiring to the plug?
2018-08-11T00:27:06 < invzim> the plugs, wires soldered well on
2018-08-11T00:27:33 < Steffanx> or is the diameter of the plug a bit on the low side?
2018-08-11T00:27:39 < invzim> maybe they're slightly too thin, 
2018-08-11T00:27:42 < invzim> yeah, was about to say
2018-08-11T00:27:49 < Steffanx> somewhere i read there isnt even a real standard for banana plugs.
2018-08-11T00:28:05 < invzim> or the flange thingie not up to snuff, they're already in the garbage
2018-08-11T00:28:59 < Steffanx> at least you didnt spend the entire evening to figure this out uh? :P
2018-08-11T00:29:15 < invzim> lesson learned I guess, if you want to be really sure - just strip of some insulation and wire straight to terminal
2018-08-11T00:29:33 < invzim> I spent some time on it yes, and was starting to doubt the quality of my stuff :)
2018-08-11T00:31:38 < Cracki> 4mm and I guess that's it
2018-08-11T00:31:50 < Cracki> and the best manufacturers define what's "standard"
2018-08-11T00:32:28 < Cracki> Hirschmann has some fancy ones... a dozen individual springloaded ribs, not this sheet metal stuff
2018-08-11T00:34:39 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/19U0h89KbWYaHAP6CLJdFmN2urrjo7TaK/view?usp=sharing some yagis
2018-08-11T00:34:49 < Cracki> the ones I have are sheet metal thingies too, but tight
2018-08-11T00:35:31 < invzim> for power I considered using the anderson power pole stuff, may have to revisit
2018-08-11T00:35:32 < Cracki> drying racks!
2018-08-11T00:35:52 < invzim> used them in a lab at work ages ago for -48V gear and it worked great
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2018-08-11T00:36:17 < invzim> kakimir: who are you spying on?
2018-08-11T00:36:32 < kakimir> my teleoperator
2018-08-11T00:37:34 < kakimir> their LTE signal
2018-08-11T00:38:33 < Steffanx> no cable to kakimir's appartment?
2018-08-11T00:39:28 < kakimir> I have 1G ethernet to my appartment
2018-08-11T00:39:39 < kakimir> but this is for my farm
2018-08-11T00:41:12 < kakimir> farm where I need to do IT things to keep things running
2018-08-11T00:42:10 < kakimir> LTE has gone sub standard in one year since I installed it
2018-08-11T00:42:27 < kakimir> initially I had maximum speeds up to 120Mbps
2018-08-11T00:42:41 < kakimir> now <20Mbps
2018-08-11T00:42:53 < kakimir> in just one year
2018-08-11T00:44:12 < kakimir> I need to use most of the time slot the network gives me
2018-08-11T00:44:20 < kakimir> *the most
2018-08-11T00:44:29 < Steffanx> heh ok
2018-08-11T00:47:08 < kakimir> so I need instead of very good signal - excelent signal
2018-08-11T00:48:26 < tomeaton17> lol uk "fibre optic" where I am is 30mpbs
2018-08-11T00:48:52 < kakimir> it depends on your subscription
2018-08-11T00:49:12 < tomeaton17> the fastest I can get
2018-08-11T00:49:30 < Cracki> that's fiber with half a mile of bell wire
2018-08-11T00:49:35 < tomeaton17> probably
2018-08-11T00:49:39 < tomeaton17> I live quite ruraly
2018-08-11T00:49:43 < tomeaton17> idk if thats a word
2018-08-11T00:49:45 < kakimir> I have "free" 10M subscription
2018-08-11T00:49:51 < kakimir> included in rent
2018-08-11T00:50:03 < Cracki> electric fence wire
2018-08-11T00:50:24 < kakimir> 100M is something like 20-30eur and 1G is something like 50eur
2018-08-11T00:50:27 < tomeaton17> when I was renting in quite a big city in uk it was about 70
2018-08-11T00:50:39 < Cracki> *envy*
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2018-08-11T01:21:06 < aandrew> kakimir: nice
2018-08-11T01:21:09 < aandrew> you're in .eu somewhere
2018-08-11T01:21:10 < aandrew> ?
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2018-08-11T01:21:29 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb_: what shitpost have you got for us this time
2018-08-11T01:21:41 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: all hail the overlord!
2018-08-11T01:22:06 < Steffanx> hedde drugs op?
2018-08-11T01:23:12 < tomeaton17> I am trying a rhubarb and custard gin. its pretty trash
2018-08-11T01:23:31 < tomeaton17> while researching stm32 related content
2018-08-11T01:23:43 < Steffanx> Nelsons?
2018-08-11T01:24:17 < tomeaton17> No Steffanx, Whitley Neill
2018-08-11T01:24:48 < tomeaton17> Its not great, the Roku gin I have in is much better.
2018-08-11T01:25:18 < Steffanx> Google only knows rhubard and ginger gin.
2018-08-11T01:26:23 < tomeaton17> My mum got it for me, but she likes sweet stuff
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2018-08-11T01:29:54 < Steffanx>  Heh :)
2018-08-11T01:38:50 < Laurenceb_> tomeaton17: https://i.redd.it/y7jga5wfyufx.png
2018-08-11T01:39:13 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb_: was that from r/cringeanarchy
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2018-08-11T01:39:22 < tomeaton17> I feel like that is your favourite subreddit
2018-08-11T01:39:31 < Laurenceb_> probably
2018-08-11T01:40:06 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb_: do you not use reddit?
2018-08-11T01:40:20 < Laurenceb_> barely
2018-08-11T01:40:22 < Laurenceb_>  8chan 4 me
2018-08-11T01:40:32 < tomeaton17> You would really like r/cringeanarchy
2018-08-11T01:41:26 < Steffanx> i heard Laurenceb_ now faps on the photo on your website tomeaton17
2018-08-11T01:41:37 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2018-08-11T01:41:43 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: thats an old photo
2018-08-11T01:41:58 < Steffanx> The younger the better?
2018-08-11T01:42:11 < Steffanx> lol #hamradio2.0
2018-08-11T01:43:32 < Laurenceb_> oh wut
2018-08-11T01:43:38 < Laurenceb_> the memes
2018-08-11T01:43:39 < invzim> rework bodges are like Ikea, when you're done swearing and getting the flow of it - you're done, never to repeat
2018-08-11T01:43:54 < Laurenceb_> when encyclopedia dramatica meets freenode
2018-08-11T01:44:17 < Steffanx> i never swear at ikea. only visiting ikea perhaps.
2018-08-11T01:44:23 < Steffanx> because its always fucking damn busy there
2018-08-11T01:44:50 < invzim> I'm NEVER buying anything with drawers from ikea again
2018-08-11T01:45:03 < invzim> :)
2018-08-11T01:45:11 < tomeaton17> Steffanx, Laurenceb_ I updated it recently for your pleasure
2018-08-11T01:45:51 < Steffanx> idk what your website was tomeaton17. 
2018-08-11T01:46:16 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: ok its my name +.uk
2018-08-11T01:46:42 < Steffanx> hm, .uk is a thing? I thought it was all .co.uk
2018-08-11T01:46:49 < Steffanx> That's all i ever see
2018-08-11T01:47:47 < tomeaton17> well mine is tomeaton.uk so pretty sure its a thing :p
2018-08-11T01:49:14 < Steffanx> welcome tomeaton17
2018-08-11T01:49:33 < tomeaton17> Thanks for the welcome Steffanx 
2018-08-11T01:49:39 < tomeaton17> :)
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2018-08-11T01:50:48 < tomeaton17> I haven't been here for a year already :p
2018-08-11T01:51:14 < Laurenceb_> tomeaton spotted https://postimg.cc/image/lgoc5gi0t/
2018-08-11T01:52:50 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb_: awful meme
2018-08-11T01:52:56 < invzim> someone school me on yamaha cl feeders
2018-08-11T01:54:02 < invzim> what does the mm's mean, (max?) width and tape hole pitch or something?
2018-08-11T01:55:24 < Cracki> I've only seen 4mm hole pitch so I guess that's a constant
2018-08-11T01:55:30 < Cracki> the rest should be tape width?
2018-08-11T01:56:13 < tomeaton17> Also Laurenceb_ you seemed to really like my alevel coursework :p
2018-08-11T01:56:32 < Cracki> I would guess the pneumatic ones are distinguished in 2mm feed and 4mm feed
2018-08-11T01:57:42 < Cracki> I find the *2mm and *4mm only for 8mm tape
2018-08-11T01:57:53 < Cracki> all the others must be 4mm feed increments alwasy
2018-08-11T01:58:17 < Laurenceb_> https://i.redditmedia.com/KMx-q8K1ZZGK_DmENQbnKo-1d2ALas85RRLcR9dVC-8.png?s=76e24bdaee2b3e1c0dacedc6b8d274bd
2018-08-11T01:58:56 < Cracki> hungary abolishes gender studies, "useless in the job market"
2018-08-11T01:59:13 < Cracki> scrawny neckbeards omg
2018-08-11T01:59:26 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb_: s/David/Laurenceb
2018-08-11T01:59:36 < invzim> hmm, so e.g. 12mm is nx4mm pitch?
2018-08-11T01:59:51 < Cracki> that's my guess, and for multiples of 4 you have to "poke" it several times
2018-08-11T02:00:25 < Cracki> not sure what their interface is. pneumatic sounds like something clockwork-like limits the feed distance
2018-08-11T02:00:42 < invzim> local hacker/maker/incubator space has a nice pnp available, so may have a play
2018-08-11T02:00:56 < Cracki> tbh I haven't seen 12+mm tape that needs 2mm feed
2018-08-11T02:01:08 < Cracki> I've only seen that for the small stuff
2018-08-11T02:01:57 < invzim> VP-2500HP-CL32, free use for playing, 35eur pr hour or so for commercial use
2018-08-11T02:01:58 < Cracki> CL = centralogic http://download.yamaha.com/api/asset/file/?language=en&site=ae.yamaha.com&asset_id=64639
2018-08-11T02:02:02 < Cracki> oh wait no
2018-08-11T02:02:10 < Cracki> that's a different kind of tape yamaha deals in :S
2018-08-11T02:05:28 < Cracki> does playing include fucking with the vision code?
2018-08-11T02:07:04 < invzim> I think the software is ok, they just got it and I heard no moaning over crappy software
2018-08-11T02:07:17 < Cracki> oh hell they put the tapes in the dumbest possible slots https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGBt3g-v4vo
2018-08-11T02:07:32 < invzim> they even said 0402 was no problem, which seem normal for low-end pnp
2018-08-11T02:09:23 < Cracki> good, you control it from a real computer! the one I was employed to operate had a tiny 7" touch display, which is shit when you have to fix the data
2018-08-11T02:09:46 < Cracki> with vision, I'm sure you can do 0201 too... if the nozzle doesn't suck it up :>
2018-08-11T02:10:34 < Cracki> you do not want to mess with the push feeders (right side), these are good for whole reels and a bit of lead on the cover tape
2018-08-11T02:10:49 < Cracki> install common stuff, then leave it
2018-08-11T02:11:10 < invzim> what if you use the magic splice tape?
2018-08-11T02:11:41 < invzim> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/8MM-Yellow-SMT-Double-Face-Rectangular-Splice-Tape-Super-Film-Joining-Splicing-Tape-Using-Rest-Components/32842489032.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.9.6609e76bNc8nc6&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10152_10065_10151_10344_10068_10342_10343_10340_10059_10341_5012011_10696_100031_5011911_10084_10083_10103_10618_10307_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620,searchweb201603_45,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=398d0d45-3192-485e-ad1b-c01
2018-08-11T02:11:47 < Cracki> magic is magic
2018-08-11T02:11:48 < invzim> this stuff
2018-08-11T02:12:04 < Cracki> you need space to handle splicing
2018-08-11T02:12:14 < Cracki> if you have to do it under the gantry, you get mad
2018-08-11T02:12:49 < Cracki> oh you don't need to splice the tape itself, only the cover
2018-08-11T02:13:09 < Cracki> the push feeder expects this to be wound up on another axis and you need to reach that far
2018-08-11T02:13:12 < invzim> I've never actually used a pnp or looked at the software
2018-08-11T02:13:36 < invzim> just read a lot of horror stories
2018-08-11T02:13:38 < aandrew> Cracki: wtf, is that for joining cut tape 
2018-08-11T02:13:49 < Cracki> there are ways to join cut tape, yes
2018-08-11T02:14:00 < Cracki> the plastic "carrier"
2018-08-11T02:14:03 < invzim> but the idea of doing small runs without dealing with china is appealing
2018-08-11T02:14:19 < Cracki> we didn't do that, we just made sure to bend the carrier down into the base plate when it was time
2018-08-11T02:14:39 < Cracki> pnps are definitely awesome for laying down tons of small stuff
2018-08-11T02:15:01 < Cracki> for the big stuff, I would actually prefer a manual pnp, or one of these machines, but with manual control option
2018-08-11T02:15:24 < Cracki> unless you have tried the vision on large parts and get some confidence in its performance
2018-08-11T02:15:38 < invzim> normally tricky?
2018-08-11T02:15:39 < Cracki> it's spot-on, when it sees all the legs
2018-08-11T02:16:38 < Cracki> the sand grains are easy, they're just blocks. when you gotta place quad flats and the optics use shitty thresholding and don't pick up one side of pins, it'll fuck up the center and plonk it down misaligned
2018-08-11T02:16:51 < Cracki> but... my experience was with a "cheap" one from another manufacturer
2018-08-11T02:17:27 < Cracki> you had to teach it fixed positions (or 2d tray grids), it was unable to find chips strewn into a tray
2018-08-11T02:17:48 < Cracki> had to carefully move the big ones with tweezers into the top left corner of a tray where it was calibrated
2018-08-11T02:18:22 < Cracki> vision could easily find and rotate chips dumped in a tray, if someone bothered to implement it
2018-08-11T02:19:08 < Cracki> ok well rotation might be a bit much, they gotta be rotated to within +- 40degrees, or have easily visible markings
2018-08-11T02:19:41 < Cracki> this one uses vision to look how it picked the components https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8ZLXSTMeaQ
2018-08-11T02:20:00 < Cracki> accelerates overly carefully
2018-08-11T02:20:50 < Cracki> you see the proper feeders left, the shit ones on the right... they pull the cover tape off and back to the right almost right where the tape enters the array
2018-08-11T02:21:09 < Cracki> the pnp head has to lower a pin to pull the tape
2018-08-11T02:22:09 < Cracki> correction: tape is pulled off just before the position where component is picked up. shaky table (or pressurized air) can empty your uncovered tape easily.
2018-08-11T02:28:19 < invzim> cl feeders are like an industry standard a lot of machines can use interchangeably?
2018-08-11T02:33:12 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPmOhwUvK8E
2018-08-11T02:34:03 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb_: exposed
2018-08-11T02:34:26 < Laurenceb_> >literally sent to Guantanamo 
2018-08-11T02:38:56 < tomeaton17> how long till the uk version of guantanamo
2018-08-11T02:43:10 < invzim> it's already there
2018-08-11T02:43:14 < invzim> it's called the UK
2018-08-11T02:45:09 < catphish> harsh
2018-08-11T02:45:27 < tomeaton17> yes very harsh
2018-08-11T02:46:21 < invzim> too much? My apologies 
2018-08-11T02:46:37 < tomeaton17> do you live in uk?
2018-08-11T02:47:14 < invzim> no, but I spent a bit of time there for work
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2018-08-11T02:50:57 <@englishman> invzim: yeah they were made by yamaha and now used in all cloner china pnps
2018-08-11T02:51:37 < tomeaton17> invzim: and did you actually think it was like guantanamo
2018-08-11T02:51:40 <@englishman> they are ok. take some fiddling. they are made for mass production, you lose a few parts when starting tape and take a minute or so to reel up
2018-08-11T02:53:43 <@englishman> when china says "0402 is no problem" it is a silly joke
2018-08-11T02:54:05 <@englishman> you can have it do 0402 at hobbyist reliability, eventually
2018-08-11T02:55:03 < invzim> that was my impression too, but they said they didn't have any issues with it
2018-08-11T02:55:35 <@englishman> the cl feeders are good for the price i guess
2018-08-11T02:55:36 < invzim> maybe it's a better piece of kit than the neoden4, I'll find out for sure soon enough I guess
2018-08-11T02:55:39 <@englishman> once you learn their traits
2018-08-11T02:55:48 <@englishman> yeah neoden4 is trash
2018-08-11T02:55:52 <@englishman> mostly due to their feeders
2018-08-11T02:56:06 <@englishman> oh you are looking at SMALLSMT
2018-08-11T02:56:46 <@englishman> for 8mm tape you buy different feeders for 2mm adn 4mm pitch
2018-08-11T02:57:01 <@englishman> above that, you buy the feeder for tape width (12, 16, 24, 32, 44mm) and they are adjustable for pitch
2018-08-11T02:57:48 <@englishman> then just add the vibro stick feeder
2018-08-11T03:00:23 < invzim> nice, good to know
2018-08-11T03:00:25 <@englishman> SMALLSMT is generally a douchebag btw
2018-08-11T03:00:30 <@englishman> he is selling china machines
2018-08-11T03:00:36 <@englishman> for YEARS now
2018-08-11T03:00:43 <@englishman> but has posted zero videos of any of his kit in actual production
2018-08-11T03:00:50 <@englishman> and constantly trash talks china machines
2018-08-11T03:01:04 < invzim> I wouldn't know - just got access to one now, and it seems ok
2018-08-11T03:01:19 <@englishman> sure, there is nothing wrong with china machines
2018-08-11T03:01:24 <@englishman> but he charges about 3-4x
2018-08-11T03:05:38 < Cracki> the machines do look like chinese designs
2018-08-11T03:06:15 < Cracki> and if he doesn't touch the software either, you get zero value over direct buy
2018-08-11T03:10:36 <@englishman> i'm pretty sure that was his "value add", to have software written by pollacks in caves rather than chinese in huts
2018-08-11T03:12:14 < Cracki> oh well, I'd trust pollacks more
2018-08-11T03:12:35 < Cracki> I'm also pretty sure pollacks don't live in anything less than huts
2018-08-11T03:13:55 < Cracki> also, the pics i see here are of a DEFINITELY chinese frame design. they seem to make the "slab" with the slanted front "panel" as a base for lots of desktop machines, not just picknplaces https://www.smallsmt.biz/vision-placer-pick-and-place-machine-2016/
2018-08-11T03:14:51 < Cracki> one of the photos shows the computer screen... and what looks like chinese glyphs in the title bar
2018-08-11T03:15:18 <@englishman> lol
2018-08-11T03:15:37 < Cracki> the base plate still has chinese-font engravings
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2018-08-11T03:20:09 < catphish> think i'm done with the first draft of my NFC writer: https://nutty.tk/nfc1.pdf
2018-08-11T03:22:44 < Cracki> the file names contain german words...
2018-08-11T03:22:49 < Cracki> (the smallsmt dude)
2018-08-11T03:23:28 < Cracki> look at the engraved text right beside the nozzles: https://image.jimcdn.com/app/cms/image/transf/dimension=origxorig:format=jpg/path/s83b2f87d67b6ff32/image/ie8b613a4e906c72e/version/1458904603/smallsmt-vp-2500-pick-place-machine-bottom-camera-view.jpg
2018-08-11T03:23:53 < Cracki> lel https://hackaday.io/project/25437-hot-hot-yushengtech-smt50-openpnp-conversion/details
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2018-08-11T03:25:55 < Cracki> there it is xD http://www.yushengtech.com/index.php?ac=show&classid=42&id=60
2018-08-11T03:26:13 <@englishman> nice lol
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2018-08-11T03:30:30 < Cracki> wow they dgaf about the empty reel tape just snaking across the work surface! at least the cheap chinesium one I got to operate had slots milled into it and some room under it so you could guide the waste out and to the side
2018-08-11T03:31:24 < Cracki> by the end of day 1, the place looked like this https://anisaschell.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/img_2931.jpg
2018-08-11T03:34:40 < aandrew> hate to break it to you but that's not SMT tape, that's potatoes that have gone to sprout
2018-08-11T03:37:10 < aandrew> Cracki: wow that's quite the story on hackaday
2018-08-11T03:37:14 < aandrew> is that you or just a similar machine
2018-08-11T03:37:21 < Cracki> no clue, random google result
2018-08-11T03:37:32 < Cracki> looked interesting because it said "open" pnp
2018-08-11T03:37:51 < aandrew> *nods*
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2018-08-11T04:47:12 < Laurenceb_> I hate how dead this channel is at night. It's like you incels are all just larping as neet.
2018-08-11T04:48:41 < aandrew> I have no fucking clue what you just said
2018-08-11T04:49:37 < Cracki> I do. we should be offended.
2018-08-11T04:49:45 < Cracki> reeee or something
2018-08-11T04:50:22 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/NEET/
2018-08-11T04:51:02 < Cracki> what are these people's problems? can't be assed to sign up for uni, or find a job?
2018-08-11T04:51:37 < Cracki> or not qualified for either?
2018-08-11T04:51:45 < Laurenceb_> or its all shitposting
2018-08-11T04:51:54 < Laurenceb_> nobody knows how deep the irony goes
2018-08-11T04:52:22 < Cracki> today some sjw talked to me about basic income... he never thought what would happen if 10% have to support 90%
2018-08-11T04:52:35 < aandrew> lol wtf
2018-08-11T04:52:47 < aandrew> they hate society almost as much as they hate ach other
2018-08-11T04:53:11 < Cracki> colorfully dyed hair is a damn good indicator of derangement
2018-08-11T04:54:49 < Laurenceb_> lul polywell forum is dead
2018-08-11T04:55:04 < Laurenceb_> I was going to troll them with proof that their ideas are doa
2018-08-11T04:55:06 < Cracki> the scary thing is they can appear rational and objective and they can even perform higher reasoning... if it's not political. their brainwashing protects their holy cows from questions.
2018-08-11T04:55:21 < Cracki> who runs that forum?
2018-08-11T04:55:30 < Cracki> maybe you have to insert coin... or tenbux...
2018-08-11T04:55:31 < Laurenceb_> but no posts for >1year in most sections
2018-08-11T04:55:49 < Laurenceb_> http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/index.php
2018-08-11T04:56:03 < Cracki> oooh bb forum
2018-08-11T04:56:11 < Cracki> nostalgia!
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2018-08-11T05:27:40 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/swvm9jeri2f11.gif
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2018-08-11T05:59:17 < branjb> anyone familiar with acromag hardware?
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2018-08-11T08:30:16 < cpctr> Did you know a cat has 32 muscles in each ear?
2018-08-11T08:30:39 < cpctr> https://i.imgur.com/HRYaJuy.jpg
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2018-08-11T08:57:37 <@englishman> I do now
2018-08-11T08:58:50 < cpctr> ATC Audio from the stolen Horizon Air Q400: “I think I am going to try to do a barrel roll and if that goes good then I am going to go nose down and call it a night.”
2018-08-11T08:58:53 < cpctr> LOL
2018-08-11T08:59:39 <@englishman> cool
2018-08-11T09:00:09 < cpctr> was he canada
2018-08-11T09:00:32 <@englishman> no
2018-08-11T09:00:35 <@englishman> seattle
2018-08-11T09:00:45 < cpctr> cool
2018-08-11T09:01:20 <@englishman> I understand him, it's a very depressing city
2018-08-11T09:01:52 < cpctr> yeah what a way to send it off
2018-08-11T09:03:00 < cpctr> you can't fire me i quit!
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2018-08-11T09:31:50 < cpctr> Laurenceb: how is the brexit
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2018-08-11T10:09:38 < Thorn> Parker Solar Probe launch T-40 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0
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2018-08-11T11:25:27 < Thorn> T-3 min
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2018-08-11T11:38:12 < Steffanx> Long 3 min Thorn 
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2018-08-11T13:03:01 < cpctr> m
2018-08-11T13:08:14 < Steffanx> 8
2018-08-11T13:12:13 < cpctr> hi friends
2018-08-11T13:16:55 < Steffanx> Welcome cpctr.
2018-08-11T13:17:25 < cpctr> o/
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2018-08-11T14:21:55 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKgLqIW65oc
2018-08-11T14:28:52 < Steffanx> i'd use 100 stm32s to drive that. I just heard about a board with 100 stm32s
2018-08-11T14:32:13 < jpa-> i think you'd need 100 smas also
2018-08-11T14:46:04 < Steffanx> i think kakimir knows a good source for that
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2018-08-11T15:23:29 < tomeaton17> What is the board Steffanx ?
2018-08-11T15:25:13 < Steffanx> lol sorry, it was a terrible inside joke tomeaton17
2018-08-11T15:25:33 < tomeaton17> oh I got excited then :(
2018-08-11T15:26:24 < tomeaton17> whats the max number of devices you can jtag daisychain?
2018-08-11T15:28:44 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb, https://i.redd.it/k2jxvw7hqff11.png
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2018-08-11T15:51:55 < bitmask> o/
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2018-08-11T16:44:15 < Laurenceb_> database
2018-08-11T16:44:18 < Laurenceb_> murggggg
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2018-08-11T16:56:03 < Laurenceb_> with this influxdb database all the problems of the world will be solved
2018-08-11T16:57:17 < sync> needs redis
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2018-08-11T17:00:12 < Laurenceb_> I should make an edit of anal massage guy
2018-08-11T17:02:33 < Laurenceb_> with this self influxdb realtime data massage you will discovery a whole new meaning to life
2018-08-11T17:07:24 < Steffanx> Im glad ive no clue what blaxter is on this time :P
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2018-08-11T17:10:53 < bitmask> hmm to do school work or dick around with fun stuff
2018-08-11T17:13:58 < Steffanx> IRC ofcourse.
2018-08-11T17:14:03 < bitmask> :)
2018-08-11T17:17:09 < kakimir> https://abcnews.go.com/US/stolen-plane-crashes-unauthorized-takeoff-seattle-airport-source/story?id=57141064
2018-08-11T17:19:28 < kakimir> literally real life GTA
2018-08-11T17:25:16 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LLmF9tZoEE
2018-08-11T17:25:30 < kakimir> VHF recording
2018-08-11T17:27:33 < Steffanx> Im glad im not a pilot. i can hardly ever understand what's being said. or is it better for the pilot?
2018-08-11T17:28:37 <@englishman> <+englishman>https://twitter.com/drbmbdgty/status/1028130383911501824?s=20
2018-08-11T17:29:05 < Steffanx> no footage of the crash?
2018-08-11T17:29:47 <@englishman> haven't seen that yet
2018-08-11T17:30:30 < Steffanx> It was a nice flight though.
2018-08-11T17:31:31 < sync> only a dash 8
2018-08-11T17:31:33 < sync> good riddance
2018-08-11T17:31:42 < kakimir> he flew it like he had stole it
2018-08-11T17:37:34 < sync> he should have stolen a fueled one
2018-08-11T17:38:16 < kakimir> probs did too low energy loop and stalled it into terrain
2018-08-11T17:39:16 < Steffanx> For someone with mental illness his humor is better than Laurenceb_'s. 
2018-08-11T17:39:25 <@englishman> ^^^
2018-08-11T17:40:04 < kakimir> did you just say that :D
2018-08-11T17:40:15 < kakimir> #brutal
2018-08-11T17:41:03 < kakimir> maybe I should make some coffee now
2018-08-11T17:41:12 < kakimir> to wake up
2018-08-11T17:41:17 < kakimir> to the day
2018-08-11T17:57:14 < Laurenceb_> lul 4chan found his twitter
2018-08-11T17:57:21 < Laurenceb_> its full of rare pepe
2018-08-11T18:02:41 < branjb> is a vive a type of sex toy?
2018-08-11T18:03:10 < BrainDamage> yes, it rapes your sense of equilibrium
2018-08-11T18:03:49 < branjb> nice
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2018-08-11T18:12:24 < branjb> https://americanmilitarynews.com/2018/08/man-stabbed-to-death-in-london-as-stabbings-hit-7-year-high RIP LAurenceb_
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2018-08-11T18:17:19 < bitmask> grr sucks printing something only to realize the d1 mini clone you bought doesnt have the same mounting holes
2018-08-11T18:17:26 < bitmask> doesnt have any for that matter
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2018-08-11T18:23:09 < Steffanx> Shouldve gone with the school stuff bitmask 
2018-08-11T18:23:16 < bitmask> haha
2018-08-11T18:30:47 < kakimir> hmm I just did move money to my saving account
2018-08-11T18:30:59 < kakimir> weird
2018-08-11T18:31:53 < kakimir> I wonder if I should work my work project at home
2018-08-11T18:38:19 < mawk> https://ec.europa.eu/eusurvey/runner/2018-summertime-arrangements?surveylanguage=EN
2018-08-11T18:38:29 < mawk> every european here go vote for that
2018-08-11T18:38:35 < mawk> to keep the daylight saving time
2018-08-11T18:38:59 < mawk> I want light on evenings, not better market conditions
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2018-08-11T18:51:04 < Steffanx> fuck dst mawk.
2018-08-11T18:51:10 < Steffanx> ill vote on stopping that madness
2018-08-11T18:51:52 < mawk> :(
2018-08-11T18:52:33 < kakimir> movie recommd: warship
2018-08-11T18:53:48 < BrainDamage> is that the one with the WWII warship vs aliens?
2018-08-11T18:53:59 < Steffanx> that's battle ship
2018-08-11T18:54:05 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-11T18:54:25 < kakimir> I think steff recommd it earlier
2018-08-11T18:54:31 < Steffanx> no way
2018-08-11T18:54:34 < Steffanx> i would never recommend that
2018-08-11T18:54:37 < kakimir> ok
2018-08-11T18:54:43 < Steffanx> i dont know a movie "warship"
2018-08-11T18:54:53 < kakimir> battleship*
2018-08-11T18:54:55 < Steffanx> google seems to think i meant Battleship
2018-08-11T18:54:57 < Steffanx> ah.
2018-08-11T18:55:44 < Steffanx> i have real issues with the switching mawk. 
2018-08-11T18:56:00 < Steffanx> Im not sure what my preferred time would be though. i think wintertime.
2018-08-11T18:57:06 < mawk> yeah, wintertime
2018-08-11T18:57:12 < mawk> at least we get that extra light on winters with that
2018-08-11T18:59:15 < kakimir> yeah right
2018-08-11T18:59:28 < bitmask> winter blows
2018-08-11T19:02:41 < kakimir> I used to find something athmospheric about that season too
2018-08-11T19:02:45 < kakimir> at least a little
2018-08-11T19:02:49 < kakimir> not anymore
2018-08-11T19:08:34 < bitmask> could something like layers of carved acrylic be used like a nixie tube?
2018-08-11T19:11:50 < kakimir> wat
2018-08-11T19:12:02 < bitmask> haha nevermind, it was just a random thought and its not worth explaining
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2018-08-11T19:20:46 < jpa-> bitmask: sure
2018-08-11T19:20:54 < jpa-> bitmask: it's called edge-lit display
2018-08-11T19:21:27 < bitmask> oh shit
2018-08-11T19:21:28 < bitmask> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uFt8gJoLYw
2018-08-11T19:21:30 < bitmask> there it is
2018-08-11T19:22:04 < bitmask> I guess I'm not as original as I thought :P
2018-08-11T19:27:00 <@englishman> fuck non-dst
2018-08-11T19:27:10 <@englishman> dst for all
2018-08-11T19:33:59 < Steffanx> Lol-dst.
2018-08-11T19:34:31 < qyx> mawk: fuk dst, it should have been dead for ages
2018-08-11T19:42:53 < bitmask> can you do a once over of a heat gun on full blast to disappear the thin stringies
2018-08-11T19:43:05 < bitmask> of a 3d print if that wasn't obvious
2018-08-11T19:43:53 < Steffanx> try it :P
2018-08-11T19:44:02 < bitmask> heh yea I guess thats what Im gonna have to do
2018-08-11T19:44:11 < Steffanx> i sometimes just use a torch.
2018-08-11T19:44:13 < bitmask> if it works that would be very helpful
2018-08-11T19:44:22 < bitmask> oh I have a torch too
2018-08-11T19:44:23 < Steffanx> burn it.
2018-08-11T19:44:29 < bitmask> burn the fucker down
2018-08-11T19:44:30 < Steffanx> but its a bit overkill
2018-08-11T19:44:38 < Steffanx> and you have to be pretty careful
2018-08-11T19:44:38 < bitmask> yea Im gonna try the heat gun right now brb
2018-08-11T19:48:24 < bitmask> wow that worked really well on the wispy stuff
2018-08-11T19:48:33 < bitmask> im doin that from now on
2018-08-11T19:53:17 < Steffanx> just dont make it stringy
2018-08-11T19:54:38 < bitmask> I havent figured out how to fully get rid of strings
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2018-08-11T20:24:51 < bitmask> 150mm or 200mm calipers, decisions decisions
2018-08-11T20:25:04 < bitmask> I think 150 would be fine
2018-08-11T20:39:47 < jpa-> calipers are always too short
2018-08-11T20:40:56 < bitmask> really?
2018-08-11T20:41:42 < bitmask> I cant really imagine needing precision for anything that big 
2018-08-11T20:42:01 < bitmask> maybe I will go for the 8"
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2018-08-11T20:55:47 < Steffanx> im surprised you said 150 or 200mm, where are the inches now bitmask?
2018-08-11T20:56:51 < bitmask> I heart mm
2018-08-11T20:59:21 < bitmask> I have $10 more to spend at amazon, what to buy
2018-08-11T21:00:49 < jpa-> maybe some more stringies for your gf? if you heat-blasted the previous off..
2018-08-11T21:01:36 < bitmask> what is she going to do with said stringies
2018-08-11T21:01:54 < jpa-> tease you
2018-08-11T21:02:08 < bitmask> ohh
2018-08-11T21:02:10 < bitmask> I see
2018-08-11T21:02:38 < bitmask> ehh not worth $10, what else
2018-08-11T21:02:47 < jpa-> :D
2018-08-11T21:03:13 < Steffanx> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2416454 better get that printed them
2018-08-11T21:03:14 < Steffanx> then
2018-08-11T21:03:41 < bitmask> :)
2018-08-11T21:12:11 < jadew> new protests in bucharest: http://webtv.realitatea.net/live
2018-08-11T21:12:40 < jadew> bitmask, did you make that PCB?
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2018-08-11T21:12:52 < bitmask> haha we just talked about it, its gonna be some time
2018-08-11T21:13:07 < jadew> ah, sorry, just got here
2018-08-11T21:13:40 < bitmask> no I mean you and I just talked about it what was that yesterday or thursday?
2018-08-11T21:14:06 < bitmask> I needs time
2018-08-11T21:14:24 < bitmask> still gotta figure out how I want to convert the board files into svg
2018-08-11T21:14:34 < jadew> not sure, I think it was yesterday
2018-08-11T21:14:52 < jadew> well, kicad does export SVG like you said and it works quite well
2018-08-11T21:16:19 < jadew> lol, who posted this? this is gold: https://i.redd.it/k2jxvw7hqff11.png
2018-08-11T21:16:29 < bitmask> yea but it uses strokewidth to make thick lines instead of a set width that goes back and forth to increase width, so I either have to put the time into my web interface to do it or see how I can do it in inkscape, I just don't want to get sucked into that time trap right now because I gotta try and focus on school
2018-08-11T21:16:33 < jadew> (I opened most links since yesterday)
2018-08-11T21:33:24 < bitmask> one more digit to print
2018-08-11T21:33:27 < bitmask> for 7seg
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2018-08-11T21:52:44 < bitmask> im glad I went glue crazy, its handy having a bunch of different types of glue (I'm a bit strange ;) )
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2018-08-11T22:09:08 < qyx> jadew:40k people?
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2018-08-11T22:31:40 < PaulFertser> Hm, apparently glueing ABS rolls with CA should kinda work, as CA is not heat-resistant. Yeah, I'm asking for trouble.
2018-08-11T22:33:23 < PaulFertser> Using CA for temporary metal-to-metal bonding (reversible with a heat-gun) should be fine though.
2018-08-11T22:55:32 < kakimir> metal to metal with CA 8)
2018-08-11T22:58:17 < kakimir> I have not had luck with that iirc.
2018-08-11T22:58:31 < kakimir> how does CA even work?
2018-08-11T23:00:09 < kakimir>  Common examples include mounting a workpiece to a sacrificial glue block on a lathe, and tightening pins and bolts.
2018-08-11T23:00:55 < kakimir> metal blocks?
2018-08-11T23:03:27 < Cracki> TIL: loctite is CA, more or less
2018-08-11T23:03:38 < qyx> ca polymerises with presence of water
2018-08-11T23:04:01 < kakimir> Cracki: loctite is a brand
2018-08-11T23:04:01 < BrainDamage> nearly all of 'strong' glues are CA
2018-08-11T23:05:07 < qyx> here it is known as a "1-second glue"
2018-08-11T23:11:38 < bitmask> finally got some buck converters and voltage regs
2018-08-11T23:11:46 < bitmask> thank you china
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2018-08-11T23:25:01 < Cracki> you don't have a bag of those lying around at all times?
2018-08-11T23:25:29 < bitmask> I do now
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2018-08-12T00:36:38 < bitmask> 7 segment clock printed, what next?
2018-08-12T00:52:50 < zyp> 16-segment clock?
2018-08-12T00:53:19 < bitmask> heh
2018-08-12T00:53:37 < bitmask> pov clock!
2018-08-12T00:56:15 < Steffanx> what about something more mechanical instead? https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:328569
2018-08-12T00:58:01 < bitmask> ohh, I was looking at one of those 3 axis clocks, whatever they are called
2018-08-12T00:58:44 < bitmask> tourbillon or something
2018-08-12T01:00:09 < Steffanx> or something that totally suites you: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:371248
2018-08-12T01:00:34 < bitmask> heh ive seen that
2018-08-12T01:15:09 < kakimir> can't stand 3d printed stuff
2018-08-12T01:30:30 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/37ETczG
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2018-08-12T01:42:35 < karlp> what is that?
2018-08-12T01:44:42 < karlp> oh, 7segment clock I guess...
2018-08-12T01:49:32 < bitmask> yup
2018-08-12T01:50:15 < cpctr> Steffan mate
2018-08-12T02:03:22 < Steffanx> Kumpel.
2018-08-12T02:15:38 < cpctr> Wercm
2018-08-12T03:29:48 < cpctr> barrel wolle
2018-08-12T03:30:32 < invzim> a short prayer to the almighty gods of solderpaste & reflow
2018-08-12T03:32:08 < cpctr> Think I'm going to try and do a barrel roll.
2018-08-12T03:32:14 < invzim> paste was dry as a bone, had to add a bit of louis jizz
2018-08-12T03:32:49 < Cracki> that dude didn't have any flight training, did he
2018-08-12T03:36:12 < cpctr> correct
2018-08-12T03:36:18 < cpctr> that's why it was so funny
2018-08-12T03:36:46 < cpctr> he became self aware
2018-08-12T03:38:06 < Cracki> listen to this https://mobile.twitter.com/jwsthomson/status/1028148043621625856/video/1
2018-08-12T03:38:43 < Cracki> he knows what's up
2018-08-12T03:40:21 < cpctr> i think he'll go down as a hero 
2018-08-12T03:40:44 < cpctr> there's glory in taking yourself out with no casualties or dead people
2018-08-12T03:41:01 < cpctr> and causing a good $50 million odd in damage you'll never have to pay for lol
2018-08-12T03:41:19 < cpctr> (i have no idea how much that prop plane is worth)
2018-08-12T03:41:20 < Cracki> how did his flight end anyway
2018-08-12T03:41:30 < cpctr> he went nose down and crashed it
2018-08-12T03:41:37 < Cracki> on land I take it?
2018-08-12T03:41:37 < cpctr> he dead, some burned trees
2018-08-12T03:41:41 < Cracki> ic
2018-08-12T03:41:43 < cpctr> nothing of value was lost
2018-08-12T03:41:51 < Cracki> poor fucker
2018-08-12T03:41:57 < cpctr> he's an inspiration to every man
2018-08-12T03:42:01 < Cracki> aye
2018-08-12T03:42:07 < Cracki> except for the dying part
2018-08-12T03:42:24 < cpctr> if life sucks, don't take people with you, just do yourself in, do it in style!
2018-08-12T03:42:43 < Cracki> if life sucks, there's a cause. I'd take that cause with me.
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2018-08-12T03:43:10 < BrainDamage> what if that cause is already dead?
2018-08-12T03:43:46 < Cracki> dead causes aren't causes.
2018-08-12T03:44:19 < BrainDamage> reality doesn't work that way, you can ruin a life much longer than your lifespan
2018-08-12T03:44:41 < Cracki> what does that even mean
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2018-08-12T03:49:39 < cpctr> meow
2018-08-12T03:49:46 < cpctr> good morning blaxter and peter
2018-08-12T03:51:01 < cpctr> we were just discussing the great men of modern times
2018-08-12T03:52:12 < cpctr> Richard 'do a barrel rolll' Russell 
2018-08-12T03:54:01 < cpctr> [] Not an angry virgin
2018-08-12T03:54:07 < cpctr> [] No flying experience
2018-08-12T03:54:18 < cpctr> [] doesn't want to mohammed jihad
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2018-08-12T03:55:42 < Cracki> [] check list checked
2018-08-12T03:55:48 < cpctr> ^
2018-08-12T03:57:14 < Cracki> I love double negation, especially in questions. you can't answer them with just yes or no, you have to waste your time writing a full sentence just to be understandable
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2018-08-12T03:59:46 <@englishman> im flying this week
2018-08-12T04:00:24 < Cracki> ask the pilot for barrel rolls
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2018-08-12T04:03:06 < Cracki> ah, he circled several times over water, very controlled
2018-08-12T04:04:32 <@englishman> i will ask myself
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2018-08-12T04:39:51 < Cracki> https://twitter.com/_youhadonejob1/status/1028121310214463488
2018-08-12T04:42:49 < cpctr> 10 million times seen
2018-08-12T04:47:58 < Laurenceb_> https://postimg.cc/image/x2rg9tb7h/
2018-08-12T04:48:25 < Laurenceb_> le female redditor
2018-08-12T04:48:47 < cpctr> more than you think
2018-08-12T04:49:04 < cpctr> everyone i know with children is hating life lol
2018-08-12T04:49:33 < cpctr> i was redpilled by this chick i'm seeing
2018-08-12T04:49:35 < Cracki> the slow death of a people is still a death
2018-08-12T04:50:07 < Laurenceb_> >literally doing what hitler would have wanted
2018-08-12T04:50:09 < cpctr> why would i bring anything into this world 'I love so much'
2018-08-12T04:50:38 < cpctr> i feel sorry for the ducks
2018-08-12T04:50:53 < Laurenceb_> self genociding scum
2018-08-12T04:52:14 < cpctr> the dogs!
2018-08-12T04:52:24 < cpctr> anyway i'm bored today
2018-08-12T04:53:22 < cpctr> should I play with my new amscope?
2018-08-12T04:53:50 < cpctr> or pay child support to muh 3 babbies?
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2018-08-12T04:57:11 < Laurenceb_> https://postimg.cc/image/oki05qzml/
2018-08-12T04:57:19 < Cracki> >child support
2018-08-12T04:58:03 < cpctr> lolololl
2018-08-12T04:58:22 < cpctr> nuh i dont has chrildin
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2018-08-12T04:59:33 < cpctr> i have 12 rainbow lorikeets out the back that fly over for a chat every morning
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2018-08-12T05:08:08 < ColdKeyboard> Hey Amigos, on STM32F103 it's possible to have an RTC interrupt every minute?
2018-08-12T05:09:14 < ColdKeyboard> I have this code -> https://pastebin.com/Ww8909mG and I don't get any RTC interrupts triggered
2018-08-12T05:09:30 < ColdKeyboard> Anyone have an idea what's do I have wrong
2018-08-12T05:40:00 <@englishman> so i dono much without reading the rm
2018-08-12T05:40:11 <@englishman> but you set the clock to 00;00:00
2018-08-12T05:40:23 <@englishman> then set the alarm to 01:12:01
2018-08-12T05:40:28 <@englishman> and you wonder why it doesnt trigger?
2018-08-12T05:41:14 <@englishman> why are those all commented out
2018-08-12T05:42:18 <@englishman> anyway, rtc should be able to do this yeah, tho maybe a timer is easier if you are not keeping track of actual time
2018-08-12T05:43:41 < bitmask> ugh, this school work never ends
2018-08-12T05:43:42 < ColdKeyboard> I am keeping the actual track of time. Also in main I set time to 01:11:50 so I don't have to wait forever
2018-08-12T05:44:22 <@englishman> usually, shit not working is due to not enabling some flag somewhere
2018-08-12T05:44:36 <@englishman> i typically start there
2018-08-12T05:44:36 < bitmask> or clock
2018-08-12T05:47:30 < ColdKeyboard> I've forgot to disable write-protect and re-enable it. Now I have https://pastebin.com/q7fnXQre
2018-08-12T05:47:50 < ColdKeyboard> RTC clock is running, I can see time going over 00:00:10 but no interrupt is generated :\
2018-08-12T06:16:30 < ColdKeyboard> Where can I find an example of how to use RTC Alarm A on STM32F103?
2018-08-12T06:27:49 < ColdKeyboard> Hmmm, I see that __HAL_RTC_ALARM_GET_FLAG returns that flag is set. Why is there no INT triggered?
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2018-08-12T06:40:31 < ColdKeyboard> So both __HAL_RTC_ALARM_GET_FLAG and __HAL_RTC_ALARM_GET_IT return true after the alarm time has passed but no interrupt is triggered?
2018-08-12T06:40:38 < ColdKeyboard> Any ideas on what's wrong?
2018-08-12T07:03:12 <@englishman> looks like there's an alarm example in cube's examples for f103 nucleo
2018-08-12T07:03:30 < jadew> just found out about the guy who stole the plane
2018-08-12T07:03:41 < jadew> that was an amazing loop
2018-08-12T07:12:22 < cpctr> pepppy
2018-08-12T07:12:54 < cpctr> do a barrel lol
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2018-08-12T07:32:01 < cpctr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMonlRsJ5hY
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2018-08-12T07:59:35 < jadew> https://techxplore.com/news/2018-08-machine-tool-quicksilver-overlooked-females.html
2018-08-12T08:01:02 < jadew> TLDR: feminists were upset because wikipedia only covered things based on their relative importance (since those topics would get the most contribution), so they made a bot that automatically writes pages about females that were "overlooked"
2018-08-12T08:01:27 < jadew> *contributions
2018-08-12T08:24:50 < cpctr> got ya social justice loicence?
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2018-08-12T08:35:57 < MrMobius> I wonder who they got to write the bot for them
2018-08-12T08:37:19 < cpctr> some trans girl
2018-08-12T08:37:24 < cpctr> like m2f trans
2018-08-12T08:41:38 < ColdKeyboard> Anyone has a nice function to generate "rainbow" colours for WS2812 LEDs?
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2018-08-12T09:36:37 <@englishman> yes
2018-08-12T09:38:47 < cpctr> got yer beer drinking loicence?
2018-08-12T09:39:26 <@englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08PsxnuikuI
2018-08-12T09:39:40 < cpctr> 18.1.7?
2018-08-12T09:39:57 <@englishman> 18.1.8 now
2018-08-12T09:40:16 < cpctr> ty for rainbow
2018-08-12T09:42:02 < cpctr> is james dyson britain's next pedofiller?
2018-08-12T10:00:35 < cpctr> rubycon
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2018-08-12T10:22:28 < Thorn> Parker Solar Probe launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0
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2018-08-12T11:00:29 < jsoft> So whats the state of stm32 land, has HAL been replaced, is there a new abstraction library or anything ?
2018-08-12T11:04:53 < cpctr> isn't hal the new abstraction lib
2018-08-12T11:05:05 < cpctr> or did i miss the next graduate pumpin
2018-08-12T11:10:28 < cpctr> jsoft: have you had any trouble with HAL?
2018-08-12T11:11:13 < jsoft> Well it works mostly, last time I tried it
2018-08-12T11:11:33 < jsoft> I am just looking at a new up coming project and am pondering the state of affairs
2018-08-12T11:11:59 < jsoft> I remember there being an LL_something thing having been just introduced last time I tried it
2018-08-12T11:12:25 < jsoft> Looking at using a L0 
2018-08-12T11:23:09 < cpctr> cool man
2018-08-12T11:23:18 < cpctr> at least you can keil for free with L0 ;))
2018-08-12T11:23:28 < jsoft> Nah I am on loonux
2018-08-12T11:23:50 < jsoft> Though I really need to get a windows machine going for such things
2018-08-12T11:26:41 < cpctr> all you do is install an operating system
2018-08-12T11:26:56 < jsoft> ...
2018-08-12T11:26:58 < cpctr> i just press the f12 bios key whenever i need to lunix
2018-08-12T11:27:07 < jsoft> Yeah nah 
2018-08-12T11:27:14 < jsoft> I want a full time linux machine
2018-08-12T11:27:16 < cpctr> don't even have to set up that filthy grub
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2018-08-12T11:53:56  * Steffanx hands cpctr some lunix lotion, so he can grub it in.
2018-08-12T11:54:08 < cpctr> ty mate
2018-08-12T11:54:12 < cpctr> want some bits?
2018-08-12T11:58:27 < Steffanx> Idk
2018-08-12T12:00:33 < cpctr> lol
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2018-08-12T13:01:51 < cpctr> 18.1.7 is the latest altium yea?
2018-08-12T13:01:58 < Steffanx> No
2018-08-12T13:02:02 < Steffanx> Better update
2018-08-12T13:48:16 < sync> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/LinuxWasch3.jpg/1200px-LinuxWasch3.jpg
2018-08-12T13:48:23 < sync> how about some linux to wash your clothes?
2018-08-12T13:49:59 < Steffanx> better get some sock sneakers as well https://www.amazon.com/Jeffrey-Campbell-Lunix-Black-Sneaker/dp/B07BMMC9X7
2018-08-12T13:50:35 < Steffanx> sock sneakers.. WTF
2018-08-12T13:52:37 < PaulFertser> Pro at work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfSF28vbrM0 (big IC DIY reballing)
2018-08-12T13:54:22 < kakimir> I need a watch that knows if I'm asleep
2018-08-12T13:54:33 < Steffanx> hehe nice homemade stuff PaulFertser
2018-08-12T13:54:44 < kakimir> and has annoying alarm that doesn't let me sleep
2018-08-12T13:55:03 < kakimir> is it called iwatch?
2018-08-12T13:55:38 < Steffanx> dear kakimir, why wouldnt you want to sleep?
2018-08-12T13:55:47 < kakimir> I oversleep
2018-08-12T13:55:47 < Steffanx> if you fall asleep suddenly it probably means you have to sleep
2018-08-12T13:55:58 < Steffanx> then get a alarm?
2018-08-12T13:56:00 < Steffanx> *an
2018-08-12T13:56:01 < kakimir> I wake up then I sleep 3hours more
2018-08-12T13:56:10 < Steffanx> proper alarm
2018-08-12T13:56:14 < kakimir> I have
2018-08-12T13:56:31 < cpctr> the ching
2018-08-12T13:56:32 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: yeah, that's my point. I've read many sources claim that reballing is useless in most cases because such ICs usually fail internally. So one just reflows them (without desoldering), if it helps then it most likely means it's time to shop for a new chip.
2018-08-12T13:56:35 < Steffanx> then i dont understand your issue.
2018-08-12T13:56:55 < kakimir> I turn the alarms off until there is no alarms
2018-08-12T13:56:55 < cpctr> yeah don't do that shit PaulFertser 
2018-08-12T13:57:01 < cpctr> just replace the dogs
2018-08-12T13:57:10 < kakimir> then I'm like yeah I have woken up
2018-08-12T13:57:15 < PaulFertser> I like how this guy is using "ghetto" equipment but his attitude hints at real skills, looks so careful and thoughtful.
2018-08-12T13:57:19 < kakimir> then I'm like *3 hours later*
2018-08-12T13:57:30 < Steffanx> so stop doing that kakimir
2018-08-12T13:57:48 < cpctr> PaulFertser: lol
2018-08-12T13:57:57 < cpctr> thats all i gotta say
2018-08-12T13:58:10 < kakimir> Steffanx: yeah right
2018-08-12T13:58:11 < Steffanx> did the capaciteur even watch the vid?
2018-08-12T13:58:29 < cpctr> wut
2018-08-12T13:58:40 < cpctr> some dickhead using his hairdryer to fix a bad gpu?
2018-08-12T13:58:59 < cpctr> or someone reballing a bad chip?
2018-08-12T13:59:27 < Steffanx> im a bit disappointed to see how he does the reballing and throws the balls everywhere PaulFertser
2018-08-12T14:00:44 < cpctr> heh
2018-08-12T14:01:09 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: no, he has that special transparent plastic box underneath.
2018-08-12T14:06:19 < Steffanx> yes, but they end up on his desk
2018-08-12T14:07:03 < PaulFertser> Ok, I guess my screen is too dirty to see that :/
2018-08-12T14:08:04 < Steffanx> stvn's friend has an opinion about reballing it seems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AcEt073Uds
2018-08-12T14:12:44 < cpctr> lolwut
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2018-08-12T14:55:16 < tomeaton17> louis is very obnoxious
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2018-08-12T15:40:35 < Steffanx> Perfecr fit for ##stm32 tomeaton17 
2018-08-12T15:41:51 < tomeaton17> Lol I think he would be actually.
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2018-08-12T17:17:38 < Laurenceb_> database?
2018-08-12T17:32:01 < Steffanx> GUI
2018-08-12T17:47:51 < Laurenceb_> muh data
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2018-08-12T18:14:22 < branjb> kakimir they make alarm clocks that have wheels that you have to chase around to turn off
2018-08-12T18:16:05 < branjb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izWCU4Y61o4
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2018-08-12T20:42:55 < Laurenceb_> if we just collect terabytes of data in a database, all the worlds problems will be solved
2018-08-12T20:43:03 < Laurenceb_> big data amirite
2018-08-12T20:44:22 < Steffanx> yes
2018-08-12T20:45:02 < Steffanx> Dont forget the deep learning Laurenceb_
2018-08-12T20:45:17 < Laurenceb_> deep learning can actually work
2018-08-12T20:45:30 < Laurenceb_> dunno how it would protect the babby from vibration 
2018-08-12T20:45:44 < Laurenceb_> in fact there is no evidence that the vibration is harmful
2018-08-12T20:46:25 < sync> Laurenceb_: that is the issue of the interferometers looking for gravitational waves
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2018-08-12T20:46:35 < sync> they have TBs of white noise
2018-08-12T20:48:04 < BrainDamage> https://jpeg.org/items/20180213_press.html
2018-08-12T20:48:09 < jpa-> vibrating babbies disturb interferometers
2018-08-12T20:48:53 < Laurenceb_> kek jpegchain
2018-08-12T20:49:18 < Laurenceb_> tomorrow I have to meet alex and jpw again...
2018-08-12T20:49:50 < Steffanx> oh yes, you need block chain too Laurenceb_
2018-08-12T20:50:04 < Laurenceb_> good idea, I will add that to my presentation
2018-08-12T20:54:49 < Steffanx> so why did mr Laurenceb_ pick influxdb?
2018-08-12T20:55:18 < Laurenceb_> pjw picked it
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2018-08-12T20:55:49 < Laurenceb_> http://usir.salford.ac.uk/42638/1/Viv%20Hall%20Dprof%20Thesis.pdf
2018-08-12T20:55:51 < Laurenceb_> btfo
2018-08-12T20:56:45 < Laurenceb_> at this point I just do whatever the fuck I'm asked to cuz who cares right
2018-08-12T20:56:49 < Laurenceb_> and its easy money
2018-08-12T20:57:30 < Laurenceb_> better than arguing with the sarcastic smart arse from yorkshire who is literally a clone of pjw
2018-08-12T20:57:54 < Laurenceb_> >> Making it Better for Children, Young People, Parents and Babies
2018-08-12T20:58:04 < Laurenceb_> ree why the retarded titles for this stupid shit
2018-08-12T20:58:20 < sync> > paper written in word
2018-08-12T20:58:52 < Laurenceb_> how much of this can I take before stealing a plane and flying into the side of a mountain
2018-08-12T20:59:50 < Laurenceb_> 50 pages in, no relevant content
2018-08-12T20:59:57 < sync> AAAAAAAAAAAA the graphs
2018-08-12T21:00:22 < sync> I'm at page 75 and nothing of interest has caught my eye
2018-08-12T21:00:41 < Laurenceb_> kek
2018-08-12T21:01:05 < Laurenceb_> this is like one of those neural network/markov chain spoofs
2018-08-12T21:03:01 < sync> and it is set in a fugly way
2018-08-12T21:03:07 < sync> 0/10 would not read again
2018-08-12T21:04:18 < Steffanx> try this one http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0954411916680235
2018-08-12T21:07:02 < Laurenceb_> >dat author list
2018-08-12T21:07:34 < Laurenceb_> pleasey pleasey please please could I be an author
2018-08-12T21:07:48 < Steffanx> https://sci-hub.tw/https://doi.org/10.1177/0954411916680235 
2018-08-12T21:08:43 < Laurenceb_> heh cloned
2018-08-12T21:09:04 < Laurenceb_> I still dont know who some of those people are
2018-08-12T21:10:04 < Steffanx> wut how is taht even possible?
2018-08-12T21:10:18 < kakimir> when do you get proper electronics work Laurenceb_?
2018-08-12T21:10:35 < Steffanx> i knew the academic world is a joke, but is it this bad Laurenceb_?
2018-08-12T21:10:56 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: people who were involved email me and ask to have their friends added
2018-08-12T21:11:07 < kakimir> academic work != real EE work
2018-08-12T21:11:13 < Laurenceb_> then go full rage mode if I even so much as delay responding to their email
2018-08-12T21:11:31 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: academic is nice because I can avoid doing any actual work
2018-08-12T21:11:37 < kakimir> but hey
2018-08-12T21:11:40 < kakimir> you did all the work
2018-08-12T21:11:46 < Steffanx> "work"
2018-08-12T21:11:48 < Laurenceb_> its just annoying when I get asked to do literal bullshit
2018-08-12T21:11:59 < kakimir> the other people are riding on your back
2018-08-12T21:12:05 < Laurenceb_> that too
2018-08-12T21:18:07 < karlp> here, have a lora gateay instead: https://www.cnx-software.com/2018/08/12/how-to-build-orange-pi-zero-lora-gateway/
2018-08-12T21:19:24 < Laurenceb_> >orange pi
2018-08-12T21:19:37 < Laurenceb_> is that better or worse than bbb ?
2018-08-12T21:19:52 < karlp> depends where you stand, like most things
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2018-08-12T21:46:25 < Steffanx> cool karlp
2018-08-12T21:46:45 < bitmask> so I just made a 100 row excel sheet of most of the components I have "in stock" I need more
2018-08-12T21:47:20 < Laurenceb_> so my gf’s boyfriend was apparently deported so that’s good and she decided to abort the child which is good and bad 
2018-08-12T21:49:53 < Steffanx> fu cpctr. I read the github page karlp just linked and i read "loicense" instead of "license". fu :P
2018-08-12T21:53:35 < cpctr> Lol you know where I got that word?
2018-08-12T21:54:51 < Steffanx> idk isr
2018-08-12T21:54:58 < Steffanx> oh, that think costs a lot more than i expected karlp
2018-08-12T21:55:01 < Steffanx> the RAK831
2018-08-12T21:56:12 < Steffanx> *thing
2018-08-12T21:59:21 < cpctr> https://youtu.be/DelF6zEHXpE?t=3m5s
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2018-08-12T22:38:46 < karlp> Steffanx: not recommending, just clickbaiting :)
2018-08-12T22:38:58 < karlp> I don't do no steenkin lowblah
2018-08-12T22:43:16 < Steffanx> only siegfox for karlp?
2018-08-12T22:44:23 < cpctr> My funds are safu
2018-08-12T22:44:45 < Steffanx> Your lack of sleep kicked in cpctr
2018-08-12T22:47:41 < cpctr> Good morning
2018-08-12T22:47:56 < kakimir> hello pumpcrew
2018-08-12T23:00:13 < Laurenceb_> https://postimg.cc/image/krprhz6vx/
2018-08-12T23:02:14 < Cracki> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkbE6MhV4AAOajF.jpg:orig
2018-08-12T23:02:20 <@englishman> karlp: thanks for the link on RAK831
2018-08-12T23:02:26 <@englishman> I think I'll buy that
2018-08-12T23:02:34 <@englishman> Also orangepi is pretty crap
2018-08-12T23:02:44 <@englishman> Crap chinese wifi specifically
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2018-08-12T23:08:20 < Laurenceb_> and over 6 gorillian amps amirite?
2018-08-12T23:09:59 < kakimir> my tummy is not so good
2018-08-12T23:10:12 < kakimir> maybe it really is true what they say about chili
2018-08-12T23:10:31 < kakimir> I feel like wanting to liquid poop
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2018-08-12T23:10:46 < kakimir> but not really
2018-08-12T23:14:58 < Cracki> swallow a garden hose, relax, and turn the tap
2018-08-12T23:16:25 < kakimir> nice way to die
2018-08-12T23:17:00 < Cracki> nicer than setting your digestive flora on fire
2018-08-12T23:18:28 < Cracki> wew south african police raise an EFF flag at their police station
2018-08-12T23:18:52 < Cracki> whitey needn't play nice anymore
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2018-08-12T23:27:03 < cpctr> Hi Laurenceb_
2018-08-12T23:27:16 < Laurenceb_> suppp
2018-08-12T23:28:13 < cpctr> Just gonna do a barell roll
2018-08-12T23:28:19 < cpctr> Then call it a night
2018-08-12T23:29:35 < cpctr> In a $26 million usd plane
2018-08-12T23:36:22 < kakimir> I need system where there is configuration board with number of solderable configuration jumpers
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2018-08-12T23:37:20 < kakimir> it need to be cheap and low signal count interface
2018-08-12T23:38:31 < Cracki> use shit registers
2018-08-12T23:38:51 < kakimir> I think about it
2018-08-12T23:39:22 < Cracki> what were they 74 595 or something? chain them all you want, they can be read with any spi master
2018-08-12T23:39:31 < kakimir> some sort of grid structure would be ideal for maximum number of jumpers
2018-08-12T23:40:05 < Cracki> what order of magnitude
2018-08-12T23:40:27 < Cracki> if you want a matrix, perhaps use a microcontroller
2018-08-12T23:40:29 < kakimir> few dozen jumpers
2018-08-12T23:40:40 < Cracki> few dozen? that's shit registers and no matrix
2018-08-12T23:41:22 < Cracki> 74 165
2018-08-12T23:42:17 < Cracki> there are registers with more than 8 parallel inputs too
2018-08-12T23:43:24 < Cracki> if you have so many jumpers that you actually need a matrix, you'll want a controller to probe that... I'm not aware of chips that do it, but there might be
2018-08-12T23:43:53 < kakimir> some keyboard shiet
2018-08-12T23:44:07 < Cracki> you'd need row/col select demuxes for a matrix
2018-08-12T23:44:59 < Steffanx> How many configurations do you expect to have?
2018-08-12T23:45:51 < Steffanx> Even when you simply sacrifice 5 pins you have 32 configurations..
2018-08-12T23:46:25 < Cracki> let's say 40 bits, that's five dumb 8-bit shift registers, chained up, and the interface is essentially SPI
2018-08-12T23:47:25 < Steffanx> Go for spi flash/eeprom and do the configuration using sw during production
2018-08-12T23:48:13 < Cracki> that's probably cheapest and smallest
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2018-08-12T23:48:47 < Cracki> lots of those things have built in unique ids too
2018-08-12T23:48:57 < kakimir> 5 dumb shift registers cost 1eur
2018-08-12T23:49:00 < kakimir> too much
2018-08-12T23:49:16 < Cracki> then buy a spi/i2c/1wire flash/eeprom
2018-08-12T23:50:05 < Steffanx> or just go use a page in flash for the configuration, then it's free
2018-08-12T23:50:12 < Steffanx> It just gives you the production hassle.
2018-08-12T23:50:16 < Steffanx> What do you want to configure anyway, kakimir?
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2018-08-12T23:53:45 < kakimir> in system there is 2 parts
2018-08-12T23:54:21 < kakimir> one that has expensive electronic parts
2018-08-12T23:56:12 < kakimir> another part that can have variable configurations and really limited cheap electronics to indicate configuration
2018-08-12T23:58:07 < kakimir> this another part is prone to fail and has finite operation life
2018-08-12T23:58:13 < Cracki> *indicate*? it needs to indicate the config bits?
2018-08-12T23:58:28 < kakimir> wait..
2018-08-12T23:58:32 < Cracki> any of the mentioned options good for you?
2018-08-12T23:59:23 < kakimir> I move this bit shitting to that another board and make the connection between the boards least expensive possible
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2018-08-13T00:00:58 < Cracki> how cheap? spi is cheap, just a few lines
2018-08-13T00:01:09 < Cracki> or do you need 1wire with parasitic supply?
2018-08-13T00:01:10 < kakimir> literally zero electronics to this board
2018-08-13T00:01:15 < kakimir> config board
2018-08-13T00:01:45 < Cracki> if you can't have so much as a transistor on that board, you'll need 1 line per bit
2018-08-13T00:02:03 < Cracki> use a high pin count connection then
2018-08-13T00:02:11 < Cracki> flatflex cables
2018-08-13T00:02:23 < kakimir> no cables
2018-08-13T00:02:29 < kakimir> direct board stacking
2018-08-13T00:02:36 < Cracki> lemme guess, no copper or FR4 either
2018-08-13T00:02:42 < Cracki> how does it stack
2018-08-13T00:02:48 < Cracki> and why these requirements
2018-08-13T00:03:07 < Cracki> why not just program the flags into whatever main controller's flash or eeprom?
2018-08-13T00:03:47 < kakimir> because reasons I just decribed
2018-08-13T00:04:13 < kakimir> part that has limited operating life should have cheapest way to indicate it's properties
2018-08-13T00:04:31 < Cracki> what is this part
2018-08-13T00:04:39 < kakimir> part that has all the electronics has virtually unlimited operating life
2018-08-13T00:04:50 < Cracki> what does a part without electronics do?
2018-08-13T00:05:04 < Cracki> and why does it have to hold any config bits?
2018-08-13T00:05:22 < Cracki> some lora thingy?
2018-08-13T00:05:53 < Cracki> mentioned in this channel?
2018-08-13T00:06:04 < Cracki> can you remember anything you could grep for?
2018-08-13T00:06:08 < Cracki> eons = months?
2018-08-13T00:06:14 < Cracki> or decades?
2018-08-13T00:06:16 < Cracki> uhg
2018-08-13T00:06:54 < Cracki> cc1101?
2018-08-13T00:07:43 < Cracki> want some propaganda? http://www.mouser.com/pdfdocs/TI-Long-range-RF-communication.pdf
2018-08-13T00:08:24 < Cracki> uh?
2018-08-13T00:08:40 < Cracki> you want a module?
2018-08-13T00:15:11 < Laurenceb_> this looks gay https://hackaday.com/2018/08/11/teardown-queercon-15-badge-and-the-game-hidden-within/
2018-08-13T00:15:39 < Cracki> >queercon
2018-08-13T00:16:14 < Cracki> lefties always subvert and infiltrate existing structures
2018-08-13T00:17:51 < Steffanx> Time to pick up your weapons and fight em
2018-08-13T00:18:38 < Steffanx> Is something also pre-certified when you add your own antenna?
2018-08-13T00:18:46 < Steffanx> As an antenna can change stuff a lot..
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2018-08-13T00:20:09 < Steffanx> True. 
2018-08-13T00:20:55 < Steffanx> Anyway, i wonder if anyone here knows. As ##stm32 is pretty Europe orientated.
2018-08-13T00:21:02 < Laurenceb_> http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=27
2018-08-13T00:21:05 < Laurenceb_> utter pwnage
2018-08-13T00:21:17 < Laurenceb_>  pstudier  ptfos polywell
2018-08-13T00:21:21 < Laurenceb_> *btfo
2018-08-13T00:23:14 < Laurenceb_> >The reason this machine is so confounding is that it operates slightly electron rich. Just like a vacuum tube. The rules are different from those in a neutral plasma
2018-08-13T00:23:18 < Laurenceb_> rrrriiighhhttt
2018-08-13T00:23:23 < Steffanx> Oops, im sorry r2com
2018-08-13T00:23:31 < Laurenceb_> le magic new rules of physics
2018-08-13T00:23:43 < Laurenceb_> its the new eestor or emdrive
2018-08-13T00:28:23 < Cracki> I wanna see the brick and mortar walmart that stocks this
2018-08-13T00:29:57 < Laurenceb_> heh looks like rn-42 clone
2018-08-13T00:30:05 < Laurenceb_> wonder if it actually works properly
2018-08-13T00:35:38 < Laurenceb_> 110db link margin
2018-08-13T00:35:44 < Laurenceb_> and into the bin it goes
2018-08-13T00:41:43 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-EF60neguk music times
2018-08-13T00:44:26 < kakimir> what is good link margin Laurenceboi?
2018-08-13T00:45:34 < cpctr> Laurenceb_: eestor lol
2018-08-13T00:45:58 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: anything with a lower data rate
2018-08-13T00:46:02 < Laurenceb_> liek lora...
2018-08-13T00:46:13 < kakimir> wallmart is into distributing electronics?
2018-08-13T00:46:18 < kakimir> *components
2018-08-13T00:46:58 < Cracki> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_margin
2018-08-13T00:47:02 < Cracki> sounds odd
2018-08-13T00:47:27 < Cracki> I take it to mean transmit power to required power at receiver?
2018-08-13T00:49:09 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: teach
2018-08-13T00:49:26 < Laurenceb_> too lazy
2018-08-13T00:49:29 < Laurenceb_> lurn 2 read
2018-08-13T00:50:12 < Steffanx> if you write like that it might be difficult Laurenceb_ :P
2018-08-13T00:50:55 < kakimir> we are too slow
2018-08-13T00:51:04 < Laurenceb_> I got matched on tindr
2018-08-13T00:51:06 < kakimir> laurence is on speed
2018-08-13T00:51:17 < kakimir> grindr*
2018-08-13T00:51:21 < Laurenceb_> she wants me to fug her while her boyfriend faps over me
2018-08-13T00:51:23 < Steffanx> i read grindr too.
2018-08-13T00:51:27 < cpctr> Blaxter do you tell the girls about IRC
2018-08-13T00:51:41 < kakimir> ultimate birth control
2018-08-13T00:51:49 < Laurenceb_> cpctr: yeah irc is a good place to pick up grrrls
2018-08-13T00:52:06 < cpctr> Lol
2018-08-13T00:52:13 < cpctr> Wut
2018-08-13T00:52:28 < kakimir> girls with dicks
2018-08-13T00:52:41 < Cracki> >pick up grrrl
2018-08-13T00:52:42 < cpctr> chicks with dicks
2018-08-13T00:52:42 < kakimir> 90% of cases
2018-08-13T00:52:45 < Cracki> >pop a disc
2018-08-13T00:52:49 < Cracki> >pick up grrrl
2018-08-13T00:52:57 < cpctr> Lelo
2018-08-13T00:53:08 < kakimir> you can find an unicorn but it's purelly hyphothetical
2018-08-13T00:53:35 < Cracki> unicorns are just wide-arsed equines with a dildo on their forehead
2018-08-13T00:53:47 < Laurenceb_> Maya Posch
2018-08-13T00:53:50 < Laurenceb_> oh wait
2018-08-13T00:54:04 < Cracki> horn goes where?!
2018-08-13T00:54:16 < kakimir> hmm
2018-08-13T00:54:21 < kakimir> girll
2018-08-13T00:54:21 < cpctr> lol I knew old hk was going to be dug up again
2018-08-13T00:54:51 < kakimir> I get to go to mainland china in 6months
2018-08-13T00:54:58 < kakimir> work trip
2018-08-13T00:55:14 < Cracki> tip over some sacks of rice
2018-08-13T00:55:17 < cpctr> Suicide trip?
2018-08-13T00:55:20 < Laurenceb_> u will need a tazor to defend ur virginity
2018-08-13T00:55:36 < Cracki> spill some seed
2018-08-13T00:55:53 < kakimir> I see she uses kicad too
2018-08-13T00:55:56 < kakimir> where is dongs?
2018-08-13T00:56:09 < Steffanx> stop stalking kakimir
2018-08-13T00:56:24 < cpctr> :3
2018-08-13T00:58:12 < kakimir> I'm immersed hush now
2018-08-13T00:58:59 < tomeaton17> ah classic ##stm32
2018-08-13T01:01:00 < kakimir> it's work tommorow
2018-08-13T01:01:08 < kakimir> I need to find ways to not to go to sleep
2018-08-13T01:01:19 < kakimir> so that I can be really tired tommorow
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2018-08-13T01:02:16 < cpctr> My womb exploded
2018-08-13T01:06:23 < Steffanx> That's what happens when you pump too much
2018-08-13T01:14:37 < kakimir> harcore pumps
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2018-08-13T01:43:26 < karlp> Steffanx: nah, no wireless at all recently, or in the future for me, other than normal 802.11 stuff
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2018-08-13T02:46:57 < Cracki> oh look who it is and how far she stands away from any crashed cars! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dkb83d_UcAEVE9N.jpg:orig
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2018-08-13T03:04:19 < jsoft> Whats the standard way to do c++ with cubemx generated projects ?
2018-08-13T03:04:27 < jsoft> ( in AC6 )
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2018-08-13T03:09:11 < Cracki> ac6 is http://www.ac6.fr/ ?
2018-08-13T03:09:34 < Cracki> or the eclipse plugin they do?
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2018-08-13T03:36:03 < jsoft> System workbench. 
2018-08-13T03:36:12 < jsoft> Eclipse in other words.
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2018-08-13T06:00:10 <@englishman> karlp: the company that makes that module offers a ready to run lorawan base station in nice metal case and raspbereypi included for $200
2018-08-13T06:00:29 <@englishman> so why the shit is that make:r dicking around with inferior hardware and wasting time and money wtf
2018-08-13T06:01:02 <@englishman> it even has gps and antenna
2018-08-13T06:01:06 <@englishman> from ublox
2018-08-13T06:02:34 <@englishman> I guess I'll find out I ordered one
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2018-08-13T06:54:04 < jsoft> So all I need to program a stm32 is NRST, SWDIO, SWCLK, GND, and maybe 3.3v right ?
2018-08-13T06:57:13 <@englishman> powering the mcu isn't optional, nrst is in some conditions
2018-08-13T06:58:45 <@englishman> so yes. sounds correct
2018-08-13T07:03:52 < jsoft> but I dont need the mcu to be powered from the stlink though right ?
2018-08-13T07:04:00 < jsoft> Does it need to sense voltage or something ?
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2018-08-13T07:06:28 <@englishman> st-link (real ones) will never source voltage. Like every pro debugger.
2018-08-13T07:06:54 <@englishman> What if you had 1.8V only parts on that rail.poof
2018-08-13T07:07:27 <@englishman> It's a voltage sense line for setting logic levels on the debug and reset lines
2018-08-13T07:13:12 < jsoft> Ahh cool
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2018-08-13T10:25:44 < PaulFertser> englishman: I think I've read non-optoisolated versions of real stlinks supply 3.3V from pin 19. Am I wrong there?
2018-08-13T10:25:56 < PaulFertser> Judging by https://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/user_manual/65/e0/44/72/9e/34/41/8d/DM00026748.pdf/files/DM00026748.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00026748.pdf page 12.
2018-08-13T10:28:33 < PaulFertser> englishman: also, jlink certainly has a special feature where you enable and disable powering the target via pin 19. Is that pro enough?
2018-08-13T10:29:00 < zyp> "look how right I am, am I wrong?"
2018-08-13T10:31:38 < PaulFertser> Sorry if it sounded that way. I'm used to highlight my doubts and relativeness of my opinion. I guess that was unnecessary in this case given the topic and the channel :)
2018-08-13T10:34:25 < cpctr> Dunno what ya sayin
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2018-08-13T12:13:19 < cpctr> My funds are safe
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2018-08-13T12:18:46 < tctw> people
2018-08-13T12:19:04 < tctw> I have come to ask you how the hell I can tell a pad in an altium pcb part not to have any solder paste on it
2018-08-13T12:23:57 < kakimir> is there way to set pins using putty like in realterm?
2018-08-13T12:24:08 < kakimir> RTS and DTR?
2018-08-13T12:26:49 < tomeaton17> tctw, try a negative solder mask expansion
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2018-08-13T12:44:19 < tctw> thanks mate
2018-08-13T12:46:11 < cpctr> nice
2018-08-13T12:47:26 < Laurenceb_> https://postimg.cc/image/hvm133031/ le reddit
2018-08-13T12:48:28 < tctw> major blaxtering detected
2018-08-13T12:48:43 < cpctr> well who else
2018-08-13T12:49:28 < tctw> stvn
2018-08-13T12:49:33 < tctw> ah wait, that's probably you
2018-08-13T12:49:48 < cpctr> Reason Why Russians Make The Best Girlfriends
2018-08-13T12:49:48 < cpctr> russianbrides.info
2018-08-13T12:49:48 < cpctr> Why Your New Girlfriend Should Be Russian
2018-08-13T12:49:52 < cpctr> lol
2018-08-13T12:50:12 < cpctr> the whole page was ads for russian brides wtf
2018-08-13T12:53:25 < tctw> I'm at work and I don't want to open that link. can you please tell me whether it's appropriate content or whether I should ban you?
2018-08-13T12:56:22 < cpctr> just ban me
2018-08-13T12:56:33 < Laurenceb_> kek
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2018-08-13T12:58:27 < Laurenceb_> bbl
2018-08-13T12:59:13 < karlp> englishman: because make:r I presume. "the existing ones didn't meet my (special) needs"
2018-08-13T13:00:51 < karlp> englishman: "Like every pro debugger." <<-- lies. jlink is happy to provide power, but it's optional
2018-08-13T13:01:11 < karlp> nvm, paul picked yuou on that too :)
2018-08-13T13:01:19 < kakimir> buying wires is always a nuisance
2018-08-13T13:01:45 < kakimir> know the area, fine thread or not, insluation material, get the colors etc.
2018-08-13T13:01:53 < Thorn> j-link has 5V on pin 19 while st-link has 3.3V
2018-08-13T13:02:03 < Thorn> would be boring otherwise
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2018-08-13T13:02:16 < kakimir> j-link has it's own connection right?
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2018-08-13T13:03:36 < kakimir> lunch boi>
2018-08-13T13:04:27 < tomeaton17> You can get an adaptor to provide 3v3
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2018-08-13T14:19:50 < jpa-> https://static.businessinsider.com/image/54c294f36bb3f7b76b8045ea-750.jpg       uh, this fails to explain what the british mean when they post crappy links that are not even funny
2018-08-13T14:26:04 < Laurenceb> the eternal anglo
2018-08-13T14:43:45 < Laurenceb> maybe someone has a final solution to the anglo menace
2018-08-13T14:50:14 < zyp> tctw, isn't there a checkbox?
2018-08-13T15:05:09 < tctw> zyp, didn't find any. hence I asked.
2018-08-13T15:05:30 < zyp> okay
2018-08-13T15:05:52 < zyp> I know I've done it, both to remove paste on smt pads and to add paste on pth pads that don't have it by default
2018-08-13T15:06:18 < zyp> but I don't remember exactly how, it's years ago
2018-08-13T15:10:05 < tomeaton17> I don't think there is a checkbox but haven't looked thoroughly.
2018-08-13T15:10:22 < jpa-> tctw: aren't you the boss? you can open any link you want!
2018-08-13T15:10:33 < zyp> I might be confusing it with the plating checkbox
2018-08-13T15:10:38 < tctw> jpa-, yes, but I choose not to.
2018-08-13T15:11:03 < tctw> zyp, I actually figured out what was the problem: They used the solder mask to manufacture the stencil instead of the solder paste q__q
2018-08-13T15:11:14 < zyp> haha
2018-08-13T15:11:15 < tctw> zyp, I had solder paste on the TagConnect footprint I stole from you
2018-08-13T15:11:32 < tctw> the main problem is that there's too much solder on all the IC pins and so on. not much fun on an LFQP144
2018-08-13T15:11:36 < tctw> LQFP144 *
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2018-08-13T15:15:12 < invzim> had a strange reflow issue last night, some SOIC's rotated like 10degrees while reflowing - when doing rework on them, I had a REALLY hard time getting wetting on some of the pins
2018-08-13T15:15:40 < invzim> anyone experienced something similar?
2018-08-13T15:16:04 < zyp> problems with wetting: not enough flux or not enough heat
2018-08-13T15:16:40 < invzim> it was 3 out of 6
2018-08-13T15:16:45 < invzim> in a panel
2018-08-13T15:16:56 < zyp> what do you mean by rework?
2018-08-13T15:17:09 < invzim> heatgun to realign them, then solder iron 
2018-08-13T15:17:23 < invzim> same metcal tips and louis jizz I always use
2018-08-13T15:17:26 < zyp> and you didn't get wetting with the iron?
2018-08-13T15:17:31 < tomeaton17> maybe pins were connected to big copper pour
2018-08-13T15:17:39 < zyp> what temp?
2018-08-13T15:17:47 < invzim> metcal=constant temp :)
2018-08-13T15:17:53 < zyp> constant what?
2018-08-13T15:17:59 < zyp> pb or rohs solder?
2018-08-13T15:18:40 < invzim> but the tips are for leaded work, I suspect maybe that the chips are refurbushed and had unleaded contaminants on them
2018-08-13T15:19:30 < invzim> or something else on them, I guess a couple of non-wetting pins would cause rotation during reflow
2018-08-13T15:20:25 < zyp> are you using pb solder paste then?
2018-08-13T15:21:18 < invzim> yes
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2018-08-13T15:33:04 < Laurenceb> this was in a reflow oven?
2018-08-13T15:33:14 < Laurenceb>  - the initial problem
2018-08-13T15:33:49 < Laurenceb> sounds like a problem with uneven heating to me
2018-08-13T15:42:04 < Steffanx> *odd
2018-08-13T15:51:17 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/2a0e188f50/135382.jpg
2018-08-13T15:52:19 < Laurenceb> do not want
2018-08-13T15:55:33 < kakimir> is name for a thing if I want to sort ADC samples then give weight to samples by normal distribution or similar?
2018-08-13T15:55:52 < kakimir> instead of picking the middle sample
2018-08-13T15:56:34 < kakimir> Laurenceb: would you recommend such approach?
2018-08-13T15:56:56 < Laurenceb> yeah maybe...
2018-08-13T15:57:06 < Laurenceb> I used something similar to fix early F4 adc
2018-08-13T15:57:10 < Laurenceb> using quicksort
2018-08-13T15:57:24 < kakimir> then weight with normal distribution?
2018-08-13T15:57:39 < Laurenceb> hmm I just averaged the middle samples
2018-08-13T15:57:44 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-13T15:57:45 < Laurenceb> as most adc samples were ok
2018-08-13T15:57:49 < Laurenceb> some were junk
2018-08-13T15:57:50 < kakimir> I think that one too
2018-08-13T15:57:59 < kakimir> that is easy shiet
2018-08-13T15:58:05 < kakimir> even I can do that
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2018-08-13T16:22:09 < kakimir> I need metal trim plate for db9 connector
2018-08-13T16:22:18 < kakimir> because my enclosure is too thick
2018-08-13T16:28:01 <@englishman> PaulFertser: yes, the debuggers have 3v3 avaialble on the 20pins
2018-08-13T16:28:09 <@englishman> but i had almost forgotten that that connector existed
2018-08-13T16:28:25 < kakimir> jlink hase both 3v3 and 5v
2018-08-13T16:28:26 < kakimir> iirc.
2018-08-13T16:28:45 < kakimir> you need to use jumper to power target at least in chinalink
2018-08-13T16:28:49 < kakimir> iirc.
2018-08-13T16:29:35 <@englishman> you're right tho, i assumed this guy was using the correct 10pin debug connector, that was a poor assumption to make
2018-08-13T16:31:00 <@englishman> my point was, pro debuggers won't #yolo 5v or 3v or anything at all into your circuit unlike in the arduino world
2018-08-13T16:33:10 < kakimir> can I use macros to conditionally check macro values and #error or #warning if not ok
2018-08-13T16:33:13 < kakimir> ?
2018-08-13T16:34:02 < Laurenceb> yes
2018-08-13T16:34:47 < kakimir> using function-like macros
2018-08-13T16:35:01 < kakimir> *
2018-08-13T16:35:06 < kakimir> important correction
2018-08-13T16:35:31 < kakimir> writing all the #if #warning #endif is just so much
2018-08-13T16:36:04 < kakimir> Laurenceb: howe?
2018-08-13T16:36:14 < Laurenceb>  #if
2018-08-13T16:36:18 < Laurenceb> lurn to google
2018-08-13T16:36:45 < Laurenceb> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/If.html
2018-08-13T16:37:29 < kakimir> 16:34 < kakimir> using function-like macros
2018-08-13T16:37:42 < kakimir> answer is no?
2018-08-13T16:38:52 < Laurenceb> well it has to run at compile time
2018-08-13T16:38:59 < Laurenceb> I dont understand wut ur doing
2018-08-13T16:39:58 < kakimir> trying to avoid writing same #if <= #warning #endif structure for piles of macros
2018-08-13T16:40:08 < kakimir> piles and piles
2018-08-13T16:40:38 < kakimir> or error
2018-08-13T16:41:36 < kakimir> so what are you saying?
2018-08-13T16:42:16 < kakimir> just write that shiet boi?
2018-08-13T16:44:53 < kakimir> interesting
2018-08-13T16:44:58 < kakimir> I have not used that
2018-08-13T16:45:44 < kakimir> nothing wrong writing some #ifs
2018-08-13T16:46:28 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-13T16:46:48 < kakimir> and when there is literally hundreds of lines macro code
2018-08-13T16:47:02 < kakimir> you can actually see it
2018-08-13T16:47:34 < veverak> problem with static assert is that it has also static messages
2018-08-13T16:58:56 < karlp> englishman: arduino's don't have debuggers.... :)
2018-08-13T16:59:10 <@englishman> lol
2018-08-13T16:59:14 <@englishman> defeated at every turn
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2018-08-13T17:00:31 < englishman> thanks again for that rak831 link i should have it by the end of the week
2018-08-13T17:00:53 < englishman> it's half the price of the next cheapest actual commercial product
2018-08-13T17:01:43 < englishman> and wont rely on any sketchy vendor webUIs
2018-08-13T17:02:35 < karlp> you're welcome I think :)
2018-08-13T17:04:25 < englishman> it will rely instead on sketchy lunix ssh
2018-08-13T17:09:23 < Sadale> who need debugger while you have UART? :P
2018-08-13T17:09:38 < Sadale> just print debug messages to UART and that's it. :D
2018-08-13T17:09:55 < srk> who's got time for that
2018-08-13T17:10:25 < Sadale> It always work! :D      until you want to use the only UART port on Arduino for something else
2018-08-13T17:11:29 < kakimir> who would use one only
2018-08-13T17:11:39 < kakimir> ideally debugger + SWO + uart
2018-08-13T17:12:36 < kakimir> clock problems etc.
2018-08-13T17:13:20 < kakimir> le Led
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2018-08-13T17:17:45 < srk> le fail!
2018-08-13T17:18:51 < kakimir> use ide
2018-08-13T17:18:58 < kakimir> I don't do commands
2018-08-13T17:19:05 < kakimir> I press buttons
2018-08-13T17:19:11 < kakimir> they have done all for me already
2018-08-13T17:19:17 < karlp> shoulda programmed with the .elf instead of trying to make your own bins/hexes...
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2018-08-13T17:19:42 < kakimir> but without elf.. I should at least define objcopy
2018-08-13T17:19:45 < kakimir> in properties
2018-08-13T17:20:06 < con3> Anyone here had an issue with the SPI(slave) and DMA, where the buffer is never updated? seems to work without DMA
2018-08-13T17:20:13 < con3> HAL..
2018-08-13T17:21:16 < Thorn> con3: is the buffer volatile?
2018-08-13T17:22:20 < con3> Thorn: Yes
2018-08-13T17:22:46 < karlp> Haohmaru: what are you doing here again?
2018-08-13T17:22:46 < con3> volatile uint8_t t[4]
2018-08-13T17:24:04 < con3> its weird cause the registers show that the reception buffer is linked and the data register buffer is changing
2018-08-13T17:26:08 < Thorn> con3: are you using f7 or h7?
2018-08-13T17:26:14 < con3> f7
2018-08-13T17:26:21 < con3> stm32f722ze to be exact
2018-08-13T17:26:33 < con3> got a feeling its a stupid error
2018-08-13T17:26:34 < Thorn> are you disabling / flushing the ram cache?
2018-08-13T17:26:40 < con3> going to debug a bit
2018-08-13T17:26:48 < con3> Thorn: I am not
2018-08-13T17:27:03 < Thorn> famous ##stm32 questions
2018-08-13T17:27:10 < Thorn> this channel needs a FAQ
2018-08-13T17:28:16 < kakimir> zypsnips
2018-08-13T17:28:36 < kakimir> proper introduction
2018-08-13T17:28:58 < Thorn> see e.g. AN4839
2018-08-13T17:31:08 < con3> Well thats weid, thanks thorn getting a changing buffer will read the app note, might ask some follow up questions if you dont mind.
2018-08-13T17:31:18 < con3> Thanks a lot,really appreciate it
2018-08-13T17:39:48 < Sadale> RAM cache? :o
2018-08-13T17:39:58 < Sadale> Wow. I didn't know that it's a thing on higher end STM microcontrollers.
2018-08-13T18:22:09 < kakimir> large integer implicitly truncated to unsigned type
2018-08-13T18:22:17 < kakimir> #define BLAH 0
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2018-08-13T18:33:42 < Laurenceb> Friends: 10 times the classic sitcom was problematic
2018-08-13T18:34:27 < Laurenceb> >not there for you if ur not a crypto neo-nazi
2018-08-13T18:35:53 < mawk> ST is franco-italian
2018-08-13T18:35:58 < mawk> what do you have do say about that
2018-08-13T18:35:58 < Laurenceb> >Recently, Friends was added to Netflix in the UK, and millennials were astounded by the problematic elements
2018-08-13T18:36:09 < mawk> and is traded on the french CAC40 index
2018-08-13T18:37:06 < Laurenceb> wops
2018-08-13T18:37:16 < Laurenceb> cheese eating surrender monkeys
2018-08-13T18:37:41 < mawk> nonsense
2018-08-13T18:37:51 < Laurenceb>  *triggered*
2018-08-13T18:40:24 < kakimir> what is problem with friends?
2018-08-13T18:40:49 < Laurenceb> its unfunny trash
2018-08-13T18:40:54 < Laurenceb> ^unironic
2018-08-13T18:41:03 < kakimir> half of the characters have some sort of mental issue
2018-08-13T18:41:10 < Laurenceb> sounds like irc
2018-08-13T18:41:32 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-13T18:41:45 < kakimir> paste your quicksort Laurenceb 
2018-08-13T18:41:53 < Laurenceb> its on my github
2018-08-13T18:41:56 < Laurenceb> somewhere...
2018-08-13T18:42:21 < Thorn> Laurenceb: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/964nxg/what_is_your_idea_of_reperationsns_between_men/
2018-08-13T18:42:32 < Laurenceb> >AskFeminists
2018-08-13T18:42:35 < Laurenceb> how about no
2018-08-13T18:42:39 < Thorn> >making sure a man gives a little extra money to his girlfriend to make up for being a man
2018-08-13T18:43:15 < Laurenceb> >I'd settle for men not raping or sexually harassing or generally abusing women anymore, tbh
2018-08-13T18:43:42 < Laurenceb> kekking
2018-08-13T18:43:55  * Laurenceb goes back to rape club
2018-08-13T18:49:20 < Laurenceb> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/12/traditional-theatre-lighting-stage-design-discriminates-against/
2018-08-13T18:52:35 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/2a0e188f50/135535.jpeg
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2018-08-13T18:53:34 < Laurenceb> kakimir: https://github.com/Laurenceb/Chibi-Spectro/blob/master/threads/EKF_Pressure.c#L270
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2018-08-13T18:55:13 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Chibi-Spectro/blob/master/utilities/Quicksort.h
2018-08-13T18:55:51 < kakimir> does my libc have qsort?
2018-08-13T18:56:02 < Laurenceb> I forget sorry
2018-08-13T18:56:35 < karlp> probably.
2018-08-13T18:56:38 < karlp> it's easy to check.
2018-08-13T18:57:53 < kakimir> it does
2018-08-13T18:58:13 < kakimir> let's figure out how it works
2018-08-13T18:58:54 < kakimir> why would anyone code their own?
2018-08-13T18:59:11 < karlp> because they don't check whether it exists or not first?
2018-08-13T18:59:42 < kakimir> yes
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2018-08-13T19:00:15 < kakimir> I think qsort want's some pointer to function that does comparison
2018-08-13T19:00:17 < kakimir> why?
2018-08-13T19:00:25 < karlp> how else will it know how to compare tings?
2018-08-13T19:00:28 < kakimir>        void qsort(void *base, size_t nmemb, size_t size,
2018-08-13T19:00:30 < kakimir>                   int (*compar)(const void *, const void *));
2018-08-13T19:01:01 < karlp> did you want to have qsort_int, qsort_double, qsort_float, qsort_char, qsort_xxxxxx
2018-08-13T19:01:10 < kakimir> oh
2018-08-13T19:01:14 < kakimir> right
2018-08-13T19:01:52 < kakimir> so it can be used to sort other kind of objects than only integers
2018-08-13T19:01:55 < kakimir> like structs
2018-08-13T19:02:05 < kakimir> structtype arrays
2018-08-13T19:02:11 < kakimir> sweet
2018-08-13T19:02:12 < karlp> for instance.
2018-08-13T19:02:20 < karlp> yes, it's the api you wanted, not the api you thought you wanted.
2018-08-13T19:03:14 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-13T19:07:42 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwYs9TQu16w
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2018-08-13T19:15:19 < kakimir> int cmpfunc_u16(const void * a, const void * b){
2018-08-13T19:15:20 < kakimir> 	return ( *(uint16_t*)a - *(uint16_t)b );
2018-08-13T19:15:21 < kakimir> }
2018-08-13T19:15:27 < kakimir> howe do I make this work?
2018-08-13T19:15:52 < kakimir> invalid type argument of unary '*' (have 'int')
2018-08-13T19:16:30 < kakimir> i think it's okay to use uint16_t for adc samples
2018-08-13T19:18:36 < karlp> you use the right number of *s....
2018-08-13T19:19:18 < srk> lal
2018-08-13T19:20:02 < Simon--> you're missing * before )b
2018-08-13T19:20:41 < kakimir> correct
2018-08-13T19:20:45 < kakimir> thank you
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2018-08-13T19:30:53 < Laurenceb> any Qt gurus here?
2018-08-13T19:31:03 < Laurenceb> I need to control a QButtonGroup in software
2018-08-13T19:31:10 < Laurenceb> to emulate a button being pressed
2018-08-13T19:31:30 < Laurenceb> atm I'm setting the Qbutton to be down but the buttongroup isnt updated 
2018-08-13T19:37:07 < kakimir> only you
2018-08-13T19:37:27 < kakimir> I think QT gurus would have emerged already - you have talked quite a lot about it
2018-08-13T19:39:02 < Steffanx> *Qt
2018-08-13T19:43:25 < kakimir> rite
2018-08-13T19:43:35 < kakimir> should I have pizza tonight?
2018-08-13T19:45:52 < Steffanx> yes
2018-08-13T19:47:36 < tomeaton17> what company kakimir?
2018-08-13T19:51:33 < kakimir> ?
2018-08-13T19:51:43 < kakimir> no company
2018-08-13T19:52:03 < tomeaton17> you make it yourself?
2018-08-13T19:52:09 < kakimir> definitelly not
2018-08-13T19:52:34 < tomeaton17> oh ok
2018-08-13T19:52:36 < BrainDamage> in europe you can find random pizza shops not tied to a large chain
2018-08-13T19:53:15 < BrainDamage> here for instance, there's no pizza delivery chains
2018-08-13T19:53:28 < tomeaton17> yeah I live in uk, but the independent ones are usually a bit dodgy or mixed with a kebab shop
2018-08-13T19:53:53 < BrainDamage> you can find all sort here
2018-08-13T19:55:20 < Laurenceb> fixed it
2018-08-13T19:55:27 < Laurenceb> setChecked not setDown
2018-08-13T19:55:42 < BrainDamage> did dongs ragequit the channel or is he on a long vacation? it's been a while
2018-08-13T19:58:02 < kakimir> BrainDamage: we have pizzaonline
2018-08-13T19:58:11 < kakimir> kind of ebay of pizza
2018-08-13T19:58:22 < kakimir> *delivery
2018-08-13T19:58:44 < Laurenceb> inb4 pizzagate
2018-08-13T19:58:57 < kakimir> you look at seller rating, what they sell, price of shipping
2018-08-13T19:59:02 < kakimir> "shippinh"
2018-08-13T19:59:12 < kakimir> delivery
2018-08-13T19:59:36 < tomeaton17> if you want some Cheesy Pizza head over to ##hamradio 
2018-08-13T19:59:38 < kakimir> then pay and after 2 hours you get your pizza - cold
2018-08-13T19:59:55 < BrainDamage> you could look at google for reviews but what's common here is that local shops give fliers in your mailbox
2018-08-13T20:00:07 < BrainDamage> if you have the flier, it means it's close enough to not arrive cold
2018-08-13T20:00:15 < BrainDamage> and you have the list of the pizzas with price
2018-08-13T20:00:19 < BrainDamage> delivery is free
2018-08-13T20:00:55 < BrainDamage> you try a couple, and don't give a crap about online reviews, the cost of a pizza is small enough
2018-08-13T20:00:57 < kakimir> not here
2018-08-13T20:01:06 < kakimir> unless you order for 25eur worth or so
2018-08-13T20:01:51 < BrainDamage> the immigrant shops often give you a beverage for free too, so you can get away with 5 bucks for a lunch at home
2018-08-13T20:02:01 < kakimir> hah
2018-08-13T20:03:01 < tomeaton17> wow that is cheap
2018-08-13T20:04:38 < kakimir> typical price I get away is usually 13eurs
2018-08-13T20:04:59 < kakimir> no delivery
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2018-08-13T20:05:18 < BrainDamage> 13 bucks is a tourist trap
2018-08-13T20:05:31 < kakimir> here it's reality
2018-08-13T20:05:49 < kakimir> I just wrote the longest line
2018-08-13T20:06:03 < BrainDamage> yeah, I imagine the competition is also much lower there
2018-08-13T20:06:13 < kakimir> 440 characters long
2018-08-13T20:06:36 < kakimir> I need to fix it tommorow
2018-08-13T20:06:41 < kakimir> home>
2018-08-13T20:15:03 < Laurenceb> ▲
2018-08-13T20:15:03 < Laurenceb> ▲▲
2018-08-13T20:15:26 < BrainDamage> welcome to the 2000s
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2018-08-13T20:36:31 < PaulFertser> Why car manufacturers are not using reed switches to detect closed doors and use mechanical instead?
2018-08-13T20:39:35 < karlp> why should they?
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2018-08-13T20:41:57 < PaulFertser> karlp: I'd expect reed switches to be much more reliable.
2018-08-13T20:44:02 < kakimir> metal frame of the car
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2018-08-13T20:44:35 < kakimir> switch current
2018-08-13T20:44:57 < Steffanx> train wheel
2018-08-13T20:45:03 < kakimir> legacy
2018-08-13T20:45:18 < Steffanx> mail box.
2018-08-13T20:45:33 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-13T20:47:01 < kakimir> why not integrate sensor to locking mechanism
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2018-08-13T20:58:45 < PaulFertser> kakimir: I think most cars are not using the frame for return current. But the current itself argument is valid, I agree. Especially back when incandescent bulbs were used.
2018-08-13T21:10:03 < kakimir> and legacy - what I mentioned
2018-08-13T21:14:07 < Ultrasauce> it'd be easier to precisely control the position of actuation with a mechanical switch, no?
2018-08-13T21:15:51 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-13T21:15:54 < kakimir> that
2018-08-13T21:17:18 < Ultrasauce> i dont think i've ever seen a bad door switch in a car in any case
2018-08-13T21:18:44 < kakimir> if it works
2018-08-13T21:18:48 < kakimir> - 
2018-08-13T21:19:03 < PaulFertser> There's plenty of "UAZ Patriot" SUVs around here, and they all suffer from bad door switches. And somehow even when changed to GM switches they misbehave.
2018-08-13T21:19:33 < englishman> car bodies are definitely used for return currents. though these days typically only for larger currents
2018-08-13T21:20:15 < PaulFertser> Indeed.
2018-08-13T21:21:50 < PaulFertser> I meant body not used for those switches.
2018-08-13T21:21:54 < kakimir> PaulFertser: UAZ.
2018-08-13T21:22:06 < englishman> depends, it was definitely this way in older cars
2018-08-13T21:22:44 < PaulFertser> kakimir: yes, but you can't beat the price really. Any real SUV (TLC, MPS) would cost >3x times more.
2018-08-13T21:24:03 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-13T21:24:09 < kakimir> and
2018-08-13T21:24:16 < kakimir> it is solid mechanically
2018-08-13T21:24:20 < kakimir> rite?
2018-08-13T21:25:56 < PaulFertser> Yes, afaik.
2018-08-13T21:25:59 < englishman> VW suffers from shitty door switches too, due to pth solder points breaking
2018-08-13T21:27:10 < BrainDamage> one thing I saw in old cars is the switchs' pole wearing out and eventually failing to get depressed
2018-08-13T21:28:03 < kakimir> there is always things like opel and cars build in southern europe
2018-08-13T21:29:14 < kakimir> race between electrical harness failing or chassis rusting completelly
2018-08-13T21:29:56 < BrainDamage> I haven't seen a single rusted car around here
2018-08-13T21:30:06 < kakimir> I don't know how good new opels are - very popular car nowdays here
2018-08-13T21:30:11 < englishman> italy uses slightly less salt on their roads in winter than finland
2018-08-13T21:30:30 < kakimir> but there is salt from sea air
2018-08-13T21:30:46 < BrainDamage> and considerably more than switzerland, god, it's like they never plow the roads there
2018-08-13T21:32:37 < kakimir> it makes no sense to put salt on dry snow
2018-08-13T21:32:45 < kakimir> only wet snow and ice
2018-08-13T21:33:16 < kakimir> but if ice is cold and dry then it's better not to salt it
2018-08-13T21:33:57 < kakimir> like -10C or colder
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2018-08-13T22:32:00 < qyx> have you seen the SAML10/11 mcu family?
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2018-08-13T22:32:25 < qyx> it looks cool security-wise
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2018-08-13T22:32:44 < qyx> and 25uA/MHz
2018-08-13T22:35:10 < cpctr> Where is steffan
2018-08-13T22:35:12 < kakimir> I have raspbian running on rpi3
2018-08-13T22:35:25 < kakimir> can I just throw that card to rpi1 and keep ircin?
2018-08-13T22:35:33 < kakimir> without any hickups
2018-08-13T22:35:48 < kakimir> I have no graphical desktop or anythings
2018-08-13T22:36:05 < cpctr> kakimir: make new LED board
2018-08-13T22:36:44 < kakimir> I have other ideas
2018-08-13T22:36:56 < kakimir> you demand it?
2018-08-13T22:37:03 < cpctr> zyp: is steffan alright? Do you know?
2018-08-13T22:37:31 < kakimir> anyway I think I should check if the buckboost led driver ic is relevant nowdays
2018-08-13T22:37:41 < kakimir> it was 2012 or something I got the samples
2018-08-13T22:38:11 < kakimir> prices are still about the same
2018-08-13T22:38:37 < kakimir> over 10usd a pop when buying only one
2018-08-13T22:38:47 < kakimir> 5usd when buying 100
2018-08-13T22:39:45 < kakimir> actually more like 7usd
2018-08-13T22:39:48 < kakimir> https://www.findchips.com/search/lt3791
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2018-08-13T22:41:32 < cpctr> Cool
2018-08-13T22:41:44 < kakimir> time to boot and stuff
2018-08-13T22:42:08 < cpctr> Na
2018-08-13T22:48:34 < kakimir> ye
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2018-08-13T23:03:30 < cpctr> Hi Steffann
2018-08-13T23:03:42 < Steffann> Welcome
2018-08-13T23:03:57 < kakimir> changed rpi3 -> rpi1
2018-08-13T23:04:07 < Steffann> uh
2018-08-13T23:04:10 < qyx> was it an upgrade?
2018-08-13T23:04:25 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-13T23:04:32 < kakimir> for issi it's fine
2018-08-13T23:04:47 < kakimir> and I get to use the beast for something else
2018-08-13T23:07:30 < Steffann> got a rpi3 from arrow, never used it :P
2018-08-13T23:07:49 < kakimir> irssi box
2018-08-13T23:08:01 < qyx> what for
2018-08-13T23:08:06 < qyx> there are vms for such things
2018-08-13T23:08:28 < qyx> I bought a rpi zero w with a waveshare e-ink
2018-08-13T23:08:33 < Steffann> yes, im moving stuff to my nas, so the 2 rpis i now have will be obsoleted soon
2018-08-13T23:08:43 < qyx> much disappointed
2018-08-13T23:09:07 < Steffann> about the pi or the ink qyx ?
2018-08-13T23:09:43 < qyx> I was about to use the eink in the garden to show temp/rh together with radar/lightning picture
2018-08-13T23:09:52 < qyx> but it has nearly 15sec refresh time
2018-08-13T23:10:04 < qyx> eink
2018-08-13T23:10:23 < Steffann> wut
2018-08-13T23:10:24 < Steffann> damn
2018-08-13T23:10:30 < Steffann> how
2018-08-13T23:10:34 < qyx> fuking price tag einks
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2018-08-13T23:13:05 < Steffann> but how can it be that slow?
2018-08-13T23:13:17 < Steffann> even a 800x600 screen is 10 times faster than that
2018-08-13T23:13:28 < qyx> idk, it is a 3 color one
2018-08-13T23:13:35 < qyx> so maybe thats the problem
2018-08-13T23:14:33 < englishman> 3 color ink, cool
2018-08-13T23:14:43 < Steffann> not cool when you hear how slow it is
2018-08-13T23:14:48 < qyx> https://youtu.be/bV8onFqIf9M?t=5m32s
2018-08-13T23:14:50 < qyx> see
2018-08-13T23:15:00 < englishman> well 1 color takes about 5sec to totally clear
2018-08-13T23:15:01 < qyx> mine behaves similarly
2018-08-13T23:15:34 < qyx> it is able to trigger epilepsy
2018-08-13T23:16:27 < Steffann> but why does it blink like that?
2018-08-13T23:17:09 < qyx> I don't know, apparently it can be tweaked a bit by changing the default LUT tables
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2018-08-13T23:17:30 < qyx> and/or partial refresh
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2018-08-13T23:17:47 < qyx> but even with partial refresh it blinks with default tables
2018-08-13T23:18:04 < qyx> and a nasty border develops around the partial refresh window
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2018-08-13T23:18:30 < englishman> eink will have ghosting unless you flash it like that
2018-08-13T23:18:41 < englishman> don't know much more than that
2018-08-13T23:20:11 < qyx> actually I wanted a bigger one connected to that stm32 wifi module
2018-08-13T23:20:31 < qyx> but ordered rpi and 2.13" one because lazy
2018-08-13T23:28:43 < BrainDamage> huh, my kobo eink doesn't take 5s to blank
2018-08-13T23:28:48 < BrainDamage> more like 1s
2018-08-13T23:29:19 < Steffann> ^
2018-08-13T23:31:10 < cpctr> kobro
2018-08-13T23:32:54 < bitmask> oi
2018-08-13T23:33:36 < bitmask> damn epacket was shipped a month ago
2018-08-13T23:33:53 < Steffann> better order in the great america.
2018-08-13T23:34:05 < Steffann> *the once great
2018-08-13T23:34:16 < bitmask> it was from the only good china cloner I've heard of, trianglelab
2018-08-13T23:34:28 < Steffann> dont do that
2018-08-13T23:34:31 < bitmask> do what
2018-08-13T23:34:52 < Steffann> that
2018-08-13T23:35:01 < bitmask> oh ok
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2018-08-13T23:35:07 < Steffann> see
2018-08-13T23:35:11 < Steffann> cpctr knows
2018-08-13T23:35:41 < tomeaton17> kakimir, why do use an irssi box instead of a bouncer?
2018-08-13T23:36:22 < Steffann> Why is your name tom?
2018-08-13T23:36:28 < cpctr> the dogs
2018-08-13T23:36:29 < kakimir> because irssi is client for real men
2018-08-13T23:37:46 < mawk> nonsense
2018-08-13T23:37:48 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8FOGlnYkgg backflash
2018-08-13T23:37:52 < mawk> weechat is
2018-08-13T23:38:01 < kakimir> is wee like pee?
2018-08-13T23:38:14 < bitmask> textual <<
2018-08-13T23:38:31 < kakimir> *flashback
2018-08-13T23:38:41 < Steffann> quassel.
2018-08-13T23:38:43 < BrainDamage> no, like dick
2018-08-13T23:38:53 < Steffann> BrainDamage knows all about dick.
2018-08-13T23:39:02 -!- Steffann is now known as Steffanx
2018-08-13T23:39:11 < BrainDamage> do I? how do you verify my knowledge?
2018-08-13T23:39:25 < Steffanx> Experience.
2018-08-13T23:39:36 < BrainDamage> wouldn't it take a better expert, or at least someone of comparable experience?
2018-08-13T23:39:41 < tomeaton17> Steffanx, because its a great name of course :p
2018-08-13T23:40:00 < Steffanx> i was about to say something about your height BrainDamage, but that gets boring. Same-old etc.
2018-08-13T23:40:04 < Steffanx> then i would sound like dongs.
2018-08-13T23:40:08 < Steffanx> same-old
2018-08-13T23:40:13 < tomeaton17> kakimir, so do you use irssi on the pi so you are always online?
2018-08-13T23:40:16 < Steffanx> where is dongs
2018-08-13T23:40:17 < bitmask> is BrainDamage a wee little man?
2018-08-13T23:40:30 < cpctr> Where is senpai
2018-08-13T23:40:50 < BrainDamage> bitmask: 1.75m
2018-08-13T23:41:15 < bitmask> I must convert
2018-08-13T23:41:21 < Steffanx> 1.5m
2018-08-13T23:41:43 < kakimir> tomeaton17: true
2018-08-13T23:41:50 < kakimir> should set away script
2018-08-13T23:41:56 < bitmask> I'm 1.96m
2018-08-13T23:42:01 < kakimir> when screen is detached
2018-08-13T23:42:18 < kakimir> respond with away message
2018-08-13T23:42:28 < tomeaton17> I would recommend using a bouncer like znc, it is much better in that scenario
2018-08-13T23:42:33 < BrainDamage> I use both
2018-08-13T23:42:36 < Steffanx> Is that with our without your stiletto heels bitmask ?
2018-08-13T23:42:53 < Steffanx> i liked rob235 more.
2018-08-13T23:43:00 < bitmask> without, I am a giant with them on ;)
2018-08-13T23:43:09 < bitmask> yea maybe I should switch back
2018-08-13T23:43:13 < tomeaton17> BrainDamage, you have an irssi box and a bouncer? why
2018-08-13T23:43:26 < Steffanx> it was like U235.
2018-08-13T23:43:29 < BrainDamage> weechat please, I'm not a scrub
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2018-08-13T23:43:57 < BrainDamage> tomeaton17: because using weechat from my phone is a pain
2018-08-13T23:44:01 < Steffanx> not even a wee bit?
2018-08-13T23:44:11 < karlp> blah, fucking phone repair
2018-08-13T23:44:22 < karlp> sticky tabs tore off on mine, battery's stuck
2018-08-13T23:44:28 < tomeaton17> Oh sorry I also use weechat. Why not use a phone client to connect to your bouncer?
2018-08-13T23:44:29 < karlp> all the videos are jsut peel off
2018-08-13T23:44:41 < Steffanx> never trust the internet karlp .
2018-08-13T23:44:43 < BrainDamage> tomeaton17: that's what I do
2018-08-13T23:44:54 < BrainDamage> and I use weechat from the pc
2018-08-13T23:45:04 < karlp> tomeaton17: why would you use a bouncer instead of a client?
2018-08-13T23:45:06 < BrainDamage> hence why I use both
2018-08-13T23:45:29 < tomeaton17> karlp, the client connects to the bouncer
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2018-08-13T23:45:35 < karlp> why would you add moving parts?
2018-08-13T23:47:36 < karlp> ahh, other video removed another part first...
2018-08-13T23:47:42 < karlp> would have peeled in a better direction
2018-08-13T23:47:44 < karlp> doh
2018-08-13T23:47:49 < tomeaton17> karlp, so I can have logs, multiple networks, users and clients 
2018-08-13T23:56:06 < qyx> you should try a proper irc client with a proper textual interface
2018-08-13T23:56:20 < qyx> without fancy windows and notifications and popups and things
2018-08-13T23:56:23 < zyp> cpctr, looks like it
2018-08-13T23:56:25 < qyx> tomeaton17: ^
2018-08-13T23:57:00 < tomeaton17> qyx, I use weechat
2018-08-13T23:57:15 < tomeaton17> Is that proper enough :p
2018-08-13T23:58:20 < zyp> can't weechat act like a bouncer?
2018-08-13T23:58:42 < qyx> oh, weechat is text too
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2018-08-13T23:59:16 < zyp> irssi has a proxy module
2018-08-13T23:59:32 < cpctr> ty zyp
2018-08-13T23:59:51 < tomeaton17> zyp, no, it can't support multiple clients
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2018-08-14T00:00:16 < zyp> I used to use irssi as a bouncer, connecting xchat to it when I were home, ssh-ing in to irssi when I were out
2018-08-14T00:00:35 < zyp> and then one time after I returned home from a trip I just never switched back to xchat
2018-08-14T00:01:24 < tomeaton17> I use hexchat on my windows laptop (dont really like it) weechat on pc and revolution on my phone
2018-08-14T00:02:13 < zyp> anyway, I thought quassel was the shit now for people who are not satisfied with textmode clients
2018-08-14T00:03:15 < tomeaton17> maybe, I chose znc because it seemed popular and well maintained
2018-08-14T00:03:35 < tomeaton17> Also quite easy to manage users as I let somepeople use my bouncer
2018-08-14T00:04:12 < tomeaton17> But I am a lot stricter about who I let on now because somebody trolled on it 
2018-08-14T00:04:34  * karlp just uses weechat on my VPS
2018-08-14T00:04:51 < karlp> people can get their own fucking shells, I don't know why I'd decide a system to use based around letting other people have users
2018-08-14T00:05:16  * karlp hopes the battery i sok after a little bit of flexing :)
2018-08-14T00:05:21 < zyp> haha
2018-08-14T00:08:49 < karlp> quite likely have worse capacity, but should be ok I guess.
2018-08-14T00:08:57 < karlp> wsa defintiely easy doing other parts first.
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2018-08-14T00:08:59  * karlp shrugs
2018-08-14T00:09:15 < Steffanx> What phone is this?
2018-08-14T00:10:17 < zyp> did you put your dick^Wphone in a vise?
2018-08-14T00:11:05 < karlp> xiaomi a1.
2018-08-14T00:11:23 < karlp> screen frame repair kit was ~33 delivered.
2018-08-14T00:11:25 < karlp> worth a try
2018-08-14T00:11:26 < kakimir> https://www.tme.eu/en/details/sp-1010dr/desoldering-stations/solder-peak/ what accesories to buy with this?
2018-08-14T00:12:00 < zyp> karlp, what did you do to it? I haven't been following conversation today
2018-08-14T00:12:55 < tomeaton17> karlp they only have access to irc
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2018-08-14T00:24:55 < zyp> you trust people routing their irc traffic through you, but not giving them shell access?
2018-08-14T00:26:39 < zyp> I mean, less access is less access
2018-08-14T00:27:04 < zyp> but if I didn't trust somebody enough to give them a shell, I wouldn't trust them accessing irc from my ip either
2018-08-14T00:30:19 < tomeaton17> I have ident running, so if they troll then only they will get banned
2018-08-14T00:30:41 < tomeaton17> also I know all the users irl, they just have no need for shell access
2018-08-14T00:32:25 < zyp> if you say so
2018-08-14T00:32:53 < tomeaton17> ok
2018-08-14T00:33:02 < Steffanx> Lol. Best discussion ender.
2018-08-14T00:33:07 < rob235> :)
2018-08-14T00:33:22 < rob235> oh its me
2018-08-14T00:39:15 < cpctr> safu
2018-08-14T00:49:17 < karlp> and the phone's back in action.
2018-08-14T00:49:46 < karlp> zyp: nothing major, it got knocked off a bench and the screen shattered.  still worked fine, touch and all, just lotsa crfacks
2018-08-14T00:49:54 < karlp> all good now.
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2018-08-14T00:50:29 < karlp> new one definitely has a different colour backight on the home button though, 99.9% sure they were all the same colour before, new one is a warmer colour for home than for menu/back
2018-08-14T00:51:03 < zyp> karlp, oh, and you bent the battery when replacing the screen?
2018-08-14T00:51:28 < karlp> a little
2018-08-14T00:51:40 < karlp> not much, just a bit more flex than I would have liked.
2018-08-14T00:52:12 < zyp> sounds like when I changed the screen on my then coworker's nexus 4
2018-08-14T00:52:38 < zyp> battery was glued so fucking hard in I was afraid it would catch fire before I got it out
2018-08-14T00:53:32 < zyp> if you had the same problem, I guess the design is similar; screen comes as part of a whole structural assembly which all the other electronics are mounted to
2018-08-14T00:53:46 < karlp> yeah, this has these weird tabs you need to pull, and if you take it off in the right order, you can pull the tabs out nicely and the battery just lifts out.
2018-08-14T00:53:57 < karlp> if you pull on the tabs too early,  you can just tear them off
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2018-08-14T00:54:14 < zyp> so you're not really replacing the screen, you're moving all the other stuff over to a whole new frame which happens to include a new screen
2018-08-14T00:54:22 < karlp> https://youtu.be/9Imi6xIMiQU?t=355
2018-08-14T00:54:30 < karlp> yeah, fuck doing the glass replacement.
2018-08-14T00:54:53 < karlp> looked into that, and it's like $8 instead of $33, and you have to reglue shit and all
2018-08-14T00:54:55 < karlp> fuck that
2018-08-14T00:55:26 < zyp> that's cute, don't think nexus 4 had anything like that
2018-08-14T00:55:39 < karlp> yeah, there's a module down the bottom to remove first :)
2018-08-14T00:55:44 < zyp> had to jam a butter knife in between the battery and frame and pry it up
2018-08-14T00:55:45 < karlp> I had... not done that.
2018-08-14T00:56:06 < karlp> used a playing card to scrape around, worked, but not ideal.
2018-08-14T00:56:31 < karlp> still, phone's good as new, and now in a case like my old phone was :)
2018-08-14T00:56:45 < zyp> a couple of months after I replaced the screen, guy cracked it again
2018-08-14T00:57:07 < zyp> second time was a lot easier since the battery was now not glued so bad :p
2018-08-14T00:59:16 < zyp> by the way, how is the a1?
2018-08-14T01:00:08 < karlp> nice.
2018-08-14T01:00:13 < karlp> really happy with it.
2018-08-14T01:00:18 < zyp> cool
2018-08-14T01:00:30 < zyp> I like the idea of the android one initiative
2018-08-14T01:00:33 < karlp> I'd be happy if it was a teensy bit smaller, but that's not a1 specific, all phones are too big these days
2018-08-14T01:00:39 < karlp> I get updates ~monthly, 
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2018-08-14T01:04:53 < zyp> on the other hand, sometimes I feel like I want something faster than my nexus 5x
2018-08-14T01:05:53 < zyp> I'm not sure if it's bogged down with shit now or what
2018-08-14T01:06:12 < zyp> but particularly android auto is annoyingly slow to start at times
2018-08-14T01:07:10 < cpctr> When me iPhone dies I’ll give up
2018-08-14T01:07:27 < zyp> which is particularly annoying when you're vacationing by car a couple countries away from home and rely on google maps to find the way anywhere :p
2018-08-14T01:08:34 < aandrew> wow I'm stupid
2018-08-14T01:08:42 < aandrew> I was creating sheet entries manually
2018-08-14T01:08:56 < aandrew> copy all the ports, smart paste, as sheet entries
2018-08-14T01:09:02 < aandrew> I'm sofa kind we todd it.
2018-08-14T01:09:10 < zyp> sheet entries?
2018-08-14T01:09:39 < zyp> i.e. in a parent schematic?
2018-08-14T01:10:20 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/a/2vpnWFO
2018-08-14T01:10:20 < aandrew> yeah
2018-08-14T01:11:16 < zyp> haha, wat
2018-08-14T01:12:57 < zyp> couldn't you make that as an array of harnesses or something?
2018-08-14T01:13:07 < aandrew> I've not used harnesses yet
2018-08-14T01:14:07 < zyp> me neither, but I got some pretty messy schematics to review from a subcontractor last year, and after I suggested using harnesses to clean them up, they got a lot more readable
2018-08-14T01:23:44 < cpctr> Very nice
2018-08-14T01:34:59 < kakimir> please send imgur links with direct link to content
2018-08-14T01:35:10 < kakimir> not to that viral browser
2018-08-14T01:35:25 < kakimir> "viral"
2018-08-14T01:36:11 < kakimir> I always wonder how I have browsed 2hours and I literally never enter url imgur to my browser address bar never
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2018-08-14T01:37:33 < laurence_> supp
2018-08-14T01:37:38 < laurence_> I hate Alex and PJW
2018-08-14T01:37:51 < laurence_> >calibrate the microphones
2018-08-14T01:39:33 < laurence_> >muh real time scrolling graphs of raw random shit that nobody will understand
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2018-08-14T01:51:01 < Laurenceb__> >control to disable or enable gps display window
2018-08-14T01:51:12 < Laurenceb__> >what is the cross on the top
2018-08-14T01:52:11 < Laurenceb__> I've a good mind to ban them from facebook
2018-08-14T01:58:24 < cpctr> Cool man
2018-08-14T01:58:41 < cpctr> What the fuck is Facebook?
2018-08-14T01:59:11 < cpctr> Is that like ray William Johnson’s new show?
2018-08-14T02:01:37 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7G4e0CRRdw&feature=youtu.be
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2018-08-14T02:29:55 < englishman> i need a $95 digikey cart stuffer for free shipping
2018-08-14T02:37:06 < englishman> https://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=1568-1702-ND
2018-08-14T02:38:05 < englishman> eh i'll just pay shipping
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2018-08-14T03:01:18 < jadew> get some tools
2018-08-14T03:14:53 < rob235> Can be used for: grappling hook, self defense, ice climbing, throwing knife, digging, clearing forests, eating food, signaling aircraft, finding water, catching fish, hunting big game animals, deflecting laser beams, blocking hamful UV rays, starting fires, opening bottles, space travel, and more.
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2018-08-14T03:25:51 < rob235> oh school how I'm tired of you
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2018-08-14T03:44:58 < Cracki> grad school, high school, elementary school?
2018-08-14T03:45:11 < rob235> none of the above
2018-08-14T03:45:13 < rob235> undergrad
2018-08-14T03:46:14 < Cracki> ee? cs? gender studies?
2018-08-14T03:47:04 < BrainDamage> meme studies
2018-08-14T03:47:28 < rob235> cs
2018-08-14T03:47:33 < rob235> minor in memes
2018-08-14T03:47:54 < rob235> and feminism
2018-08-14T03:48:46 < BrainDamage> do you use the channel as a reference for the 'opposite'?
2018-08-14T03:49:16 < rob235> I just print the logs to hand in for my doctorate thesis
2018-08-14T03:49:51 < rob235> it explains itself
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2018-08-14T03:52:04 < rob235> what do I do when I graduate? graduate school or actually get a job :/
2018-08-14T03:52:25 < rob235> not a real question, I need to get a job
2018-08-14T03:52:34 < rob235> so I can pay some bills
2018-08-14T03:53:45 < rob235> luckily I don't have much debt
2018-08-14T03:55:14 < Cracki> murican student without much debt? that's rare
2018-08-14T03:55:23 < Laurenceb__> professional fapper
2018-08-14T03:55:36 < Cracki> strap the inertial sensor to him
2018-08-14T03:55:51 < Laurenceb__> u need to look at babby vibrations.. something
2018-08-14T03:55:54 < Cracki> shall i compare thee to an ambulance on british roads
2018-08-14T03:56:02 < Laurenceb__> get 9 gorillion bux to do .. something
2018-08-14T03:56:06 < rob235> grandparents passed away and left me some monies, paid off my old debt and now I've gone back to school to finish up and have less than 10k
2018-08-14T03:56:24 < Cracki> "student" job on the side, I take it?
2018-08-14T03:56:52 < Cracki> earning a "living" is tough when you haven't got a piece of paper yet that certifies hoop jumping
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2018-08-14T03:57:23 < rob235> lets hope this stupid piece of paper opens some doors
2018-08-14T03:58:41 < rob235> 16 days to finish this work
2018-08-14T03:58:52 < Cracki> student work with some companies opens doors
2018-08-14T03:58:52 < rob235> might as well get workin
2018-08-14T03:59:08 < Laurenceb__> Chris-Chan or Jahans?
2018-08-14T03:59:54 < Laurenceb__> that is the question
2018-08-14T04:03:33 < Cracki> I wish there were a place where days are always longer than nights
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2018-08-14T04:07:17 < rob235> fly east every night while you sleep
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2018-08-14T05:13:59 < aandrew> rob235: oh you'll get some doors opened.. unpaid internships for experience and then unpaid work for "exposure"
2018-08-14T05:14:20 < rob235> heh
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2018-08-14T05:40:12 < Cracki> :D wesley "shut up" crusher deletes his twitter account
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2018-08-14T06:11:52 < englishman> aww yea
2018-08-14T06:14:22 < aandrew> Cracki: again?
2018-08-14T06:14:44 < Cracki> wasn't aware of other instances
2018-08-14T06:14:57 < Cracki> is this maybe another cry for attention?
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2018-08-14T09:53:59 < jadew> twitter makes me feel old
2018-08-14T09:54:21 < jadew> because I don't understand its purpose
2018-08-14T09:55:47 < jadew> why would anyone adopt a platform where you can't form any worthwhile argument because of a silly message length limitation?
2018-08-14T09:56:12 < jadew> a messaging platform!
2018-08-14T09:56:31 < jadew> maybe that's not what it is
2018-08-14T10:14:47 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy8Yt-P614w
2018-08-14T10:18:32 < cpctr> Is steffan around?
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2018-08-14T10:26:34 < cpctr> I’m scared
2018-08-14T10:37:20 < cpctr> Cool
2018-08-14T10:41:30 < jadew> this is so satisfying: https://www.reddit.com/r/savedyouaclick/
2018-08-14T10:51:05 < Steffanx> Is antto around?
2018-08-14T10:51:32 < englishman> steffs, good support from pico
2018-08-14T10:51:37 < englishman> i will 100% be ordering
2018-08-14T10:51:41 < Steffanx> Hah cool
2018-08-14T10:52:13 < englishman> also, https://i.imgur.com/rm5jYc8.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5iI5Sn8.jpg
2018-08-14T10:54:40 < jadew> englishman, what will you be ordering?
2018-08-14T10:55:24 < englishman> https://www.picotech.com/data-logger/tc-08/thermocouple-data-logger
2018-08-14T10:56:22 < Steffanx> cpctr is happy with it too soon
2018-08-14T10:57:03 < jadew> kind of expensive for an ADC to USB
2018-08-14T10:58:19 < Steffanx> What is it.. 3-4 hours of work?
2018-08-14T10:58:54 < jadew> the box might have taken more to design
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2018-08-14T10:59:15 < jadew> and say 2 days to a week for the software, depends how complex it is
2018-08-14T10:59:26 < englishman> 3-4 hours of cloning up some thermocouple amps and stm32 and starting to write the logging software until you get bored and just pay the $400
2018-08-14T11:00:26 < Steffanx> ^
2018-08-14T11:01:05 < jadew> I bet I can do it all within a week (excluding PCB waiting time)
2018-08-14T11:01:14 < jadew> and that's not enough to get bored
2018-08-14T11:01:45 < englishman> why tho
2018-08-14T11:01:56 < englishman> there is nothing interesting or innovating about it
2018-08-14T11:02:06 < jadew> $400 is interesting enough
2018-08-14T11:02:36 < englishman> idk i spent more than that on lorawan devshit already
2018-08-14T11:02:49 < englishman> also a $600 scanner this week
2018-08-14T11:02:57 < Steffanx> Count down started jadew 
2018-08-14T11:02:59 < englishman> this is a $400 tool to improve a $2k oven
2018-08-14T11:03:13 < jadew> Steffanx, not yet, I'll let you know when it starts - I'm working on something else right now
2018-08-14T11:03:16 < englishman> and will def make me more than $400 in the next 3 weeks
2018-08-14T11:03:25 < jadew> and I'll probably have to buy a bunch of thermocouples to test it with
2018-08-14T11:03:31 < Steffanx> I want the same fancy desktop tool.
2018-08-14T11:03:34 < englishman> ok, let us know how it goes
2018-08-14T11:03:41 < veverak> Nokia3310
2018-08-14T11:03:42 < englishman> i should get the end product next monday
2018-08-14T11:03:43 < jadew> challenge accepted!
2018-08-14T11:03:43 < veverak> fuuuu
2018-08-14T11:03:45 < veverak> :)
2018-08-14T11:03:56 < jadew> no, I'm not starting now
2018-08-14T11:04:04 < jadew> (I have other shit to do atm)
2018-08-14T11:04:06 < englishman> that's ok, i am
2018-08-14T11:04:09 < jadew> but when I'll start I'll let you know
2018-08-14T11:04:17 < englishman> innovations dont wait you see
2018-08-14T11:20:56 < kakimir> what do you think if I have const variables initialized - same name in if else condition
2018-08-14T11:21:10 < kakimir> and depending on if or else it is initialized with different value
2018-08-14T11:21:17 < kakimir> is it okay?
2018-08-14T11:21:40 < jadew> how do you plan to achieve that?
2018-08-14T11:21:42 < kakimir> or should I just create the variable non const before if else and set value for it
2018-08-14T11:22:03 < kakimir> I don't see any errors yet but I have not compiled yet
2018-08-14T11:22:21 < jadew> try to compile, you'll get your answer
2018-08-14T11:23:58 < kakimir> no I changed it already
2018-08-14T11:24:11 < kakimir> just .. mornings
2018-08-14T11:24:37 < jadew> I don't think it's morning
2018-08-14T11:24:43 < kakimir> #brutal
2018-08-14T11:24:43 < jadew> lol, brain fart
2018-08-14T11:24:55 < jadew> no, I thought you said monday haha
2018-08-14T11:25:09 < jadew> well, I thought morning meant Monday
2018-08-14T11:25:10 < kakimir> it's not the time of day.. it's all you
2018-08-14T11:26:04 < jadew> kind of what I meant, but only because I had a brain fart of my own
2018-08-14T11:30:44 < cpctr> Now here’s a pack of cunts
2018-08-14T11:36:59 < cpctr> wish i got the uber cool warez that were rolling around at uni
2018-08-14T11:37:25 < cpctr> here i was talking about paying for visualDSP
2018-08-14T11:46:37 < cpctr> Investor takes out $127,000 loan to buy cryptocurrency, loses 85 per cent
2018-08-14T11:55:14 < cpctr> i'm trying to design a system to decipher ebonics
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2018-08-14T12:03:44 < cpctr> yeah I'll call analog and see what they have to say about my query
2018-08-14T12:06:26 < cpctr> what are you doing today Haohmaru ?
2018-08-14T12:07:56 < cpctr> cool man
2018-08-14T12:07:59 < cpctr> are you keilin?
2018-08-14T12:08:11 < cpctr> ARMing?
2018-08-14T12:08:19 < cpctr> damn
2018-08-14T12:08:25 < cpctr> you're not pic32'n?
2018-08-14T12:08:27 < dongs> AVR'ing liek a fucking faggot
2018-08-14T12:08:38 < cpctr> ah good welcome back
2018-08-14T12:09:32 < cpctr> ok you're silabbing the 8051s aren't you
2018-08-14T12:09:59 < cpctr> you little prick
2018-08-14T12:10:38 < cpctr> better give it a swift one mate
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2018-08-14T12:17:41 < dongs> thats the fucking worst
2018-08-14T12:17:47 < dongs> o wait xmega
2018-08-14T12:17:49 < dongs> i thought xmos
2018-08-14T12:17:55 < dongs> aka the 2018 propeller
2018-08-14T12:18:09 < dongs> xmega is whatever. dead as *BSD
2018-08-14T12:22:13 < con3> I would never have figured out that this DMA issue is due to cash -_-
2018-08-14T12:22:17 < con3> cache
2018-08-14T12:22:19 < con3> dammit
2018-08-14T12:22:24 < dongs> on stm32?
2018-08-14T12:22:31 < con3> yep
2018-08-14T12:22:43 < con3> thanks to karlp for helping me out
2018-08-14T12:25:19 < con3> hmm.."do not enable cache for the memory that is being used extensively for a DMA operation"
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2018-08-14T12:37:24 < Adluc> Hello guys, anyone here had made it through all certifications for CE/whatever EU requires for any simple device, i.e. sensor board in plastic enclosure with regular AA batteries?
2018-08-14T12:37:43 < dongs>  are you in EU?
2018-08-14T12:37:47 < Adluc> yes
2018-08-14T12:37:52 < dongs> Laurenceb__: might have
2018-08-14T12:37:57 < dongs> i donno if he actaully succeeded them
2018-08-14T12:38:15 < Laurenceb__> wut
2018-08-14T12:38:27 < Laurenceb__> yes Adluc
2018-08-14T12:38:55 < Laurenceb__> but I used a CE template stolen from Thales
2018-08-14T12:39:20 < Laurenceb__> no rewritten in latex, but I cant share sorry
2018-08-14T12:39:22 < Laurenceb__> *now
2018-08-14T12:40:06 < cpctr> IEC 60065 is something I did recently
2018-08-14T12:40:15 < cpctr> Dunno what that rolls with
2018-08-14T12:40:31 < Adluc> Laurenceb__: did you send the devices somewhere to certified lab?
2018-08-14T12:40:34 < Laurenceb__> there are 8 documents
2018-08-14T12:40:42 < Adluc> if so with all the stuff, how much it costs?
2018-08-14T12:40:43 < Laurenceb__> Adluc: only for the EMC test
2018-08-14T12:40:57 < Laurenceb__> a few k
2018-08-14T12:41:26 < cpctr> The gooks do me EMC
2018-08-14T12:41:33 < con3> Anyone here using linux?
2018-08-14T12:41:41 < cpctr> lol no
2018-08-14T12:41:45 < zyp> dongs, sup? back in the civilized world?
2018-08-14T12:42:36 < Laurenceb__> 1) base checklist, 2) Risk assessment/evaluation, 3) Tests and measurements, 4) Device operating manual, 5) Device classifications, 6) Marking and label documentation, 7) Hardware design documentation, 8) Essential requirements checklist
2018-08-14T12:42:54 < dongs> zyp, yeah
2018-08-14T12:42:59 < dongs> cpctr: i hope not
2018-08-14T12:43:03 < dongs> er con3 i hope not
2018-08-14T12:43:18 < con3> dongs: how so?
2018-08-14T12:44:49 < Adluc> Laurenceb__: except for the EMC test, is there anything else tested not by you?
2018-08-14T12:44:55 < Laurenceb__> nope
2018-08-14T12:45:12 < Adluc> hmm, i thought its much stricter
2018-08-14T12:45:36 < zyp> depends what you're making, i.e. which directives you need to follow
2018-08-14T12:45:36 < Laurenceb__> I tested things like indicator light brightness, surface temperature in use, insulation breakdown voltages
2018-08-14T12:45:49 < Laurenceb__> in section 3
2018-08-14T12:45:58 < Laurenceb__> which is supposedly based on section 2
2018-08-14T12:46:29 < tomeaton17> con3, yes
2018-08-14T12:47:03 < qyx> did you consider strong light to be harmful? :>
2018-08-14T12:47:04 < zyp> Laurenceb__, does insulation breakdown stuff even matter for low voltage devices?
2018-08-14T12:47:06 < con3>  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2018-08-14T12:47:12 < Laurenceb__> zyp: yes
2018-08-14T12:47:20 < zyp> why?
2018-08-14T12:47:29 < zyp> what's the relevant risk?
2018-08-14T12:47:32 < Laurenceb__> if it is plugged into a PC, the PC might fail
2018-08-14T12:47:46 < Laurenceb__> and inject mains voltage in (theoretically)
2018-08-14T12:48:07 < qyx> I heard about similar case once
2018-08-14T12:48:17 < Laurenceb__> you arent allowed to assume someone elses device works in risk assessment
2018-08-14T12:48:19 < qyx> mains -> usb charger -> phone -> headphones
2018-08-14T12:49:01 < Laurenceb__> yeah if everyone assumes someone else can keep it safe you get a cascade failure likfe that
2018-08-14T12:49:53 < Laurenceb__> so your device always has to assume failure of its surrounding devices (a reasonable level of failure)
2018-08-14T12:51:20 < Laurenceb__> but temperature rise and indicator brightness was much more of a pita
2018-08-14T12:51:38 < Laurenceb__> trying to work out what standard to apply and a relevant experimental test
2018-08-14T12:52:04 < Laurenceb__> it's all very makeworkish
2018-08-14T12:53:00 < cpctr> pigged
2018-08-14T12:53:06 < Laurenceb__> iirc I found some silicone foam that has similar thermal properties to someones leg and wrapped the hardware in it, then measured temperature after a few hours to simulate someone sitting on it
2018-08-14T12:54:09 < Laurenceb__> the good news is that you are allowed to use basic sanity arguments, e.g. if your device uses 1mW, you dont need to worry about it burning someone... unless it fails of course
2018-08-14T12:54:21 < zyp> couldn't you just ballpark the numbers
2018-08-14T12:54:35 < Laurenceb__> nope
2018-08-14T12:55:10 < Laurenceb__> when anything comes anywhere close to being a concern you have to do a physical test
2018-08-14T12:55:12 < zyp> you know how much power your device dissipates and how much surface area that is across, and depending on the design you could reasonably argue that it'd be fairly distributed, just add a margin for uneven distribution
2018-08-14T12:55:35 < zyp> I mean, it's basically the same as your 1mW argument, just with a less arbitrary number
2018-08-14T12:55:38 < Laurenceb__> yeah if its like 1000 times too low
2018-08-14T12:55:57 < Laurenceb__> thats cool, but they might suspect bs if it is <10 times
2018-08-14T12:56:26 < zyp> well, yeah, if you're within an order of magnitude for it to be a concern, by all means run a test
2018-08-14T12:57:00 < Laurenceb__> anyway, 99% of the effort is knowing what to do
2018-08-14T12:57:04 < zyp> and again, what was that about indicator brightness?
2018-08-14T12:57:13 < Laurenceb__> if you know that you could do a device in a few days
2018-08-14T12:57:22 < Laurenceb__> it needs to be readable in sunlight
2018-08-14T12:57:32 < Laurenceb__> yet not too bright in the dark
2018-08-14T12:58:04 < Laurenceb__> some led flashlights get round the brightness rules by calling themselves a laser device with laser classification on the case
2018-08-14T12:58:15 < Laurenceb__> ok bbl
2018-08-14T12:58:20 < zyp> the first batch of some boards I made would probably have failed the latter :p
2018-08-14T12:58:47 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/rL7QV.png <- got a miniature sun on the board
2018-08-14T12:59:02 < cpctr> greeting zyp
2018-08-14T12:59:17 < Steffanx> Does it come with sun glasses?
2018-08-14T12:59:20 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/3QJ4w.JPG <- cue experimental work to find a better brightness
2018-08-14T12:59:30 < cpctr> you got an stm32 loicence?
2018-08-14T12:59:43 < zyp> (and yes, this is all pics I've posted before, but relevant again)
2018-08-14T12:59:54 < cpctr> i enjoy a good repost
2018-08-14T13:00:55 < cpctr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/LboNVGU0/mate.JPG
2018-08-14T13:00:59 < cpctr> wanna fix this?
2018-08-14T13:01:08 < zyp> fun
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2018-08-14T13:03:47 < cpctr> i said i said "that doesn't usually 'appen mate.... I'll send you a new board"
2018-08-14T13:13:01 < kakimir> mate
2018-08-14T13:19:01 < Adluc> cpctr: what went wrong?
2018-08-14T13:19:45 < Adluc> or shall I say, what went wong?
2018-08-14T13:20:00 < cpctr> correct
2018-08-14T13:20:09 < cpctr> psu blew up
2018-08-14T13:20:27 < cpctr> maybe a cap failed.... maybe it failed after the psu failed
2018-08-14T13:23:12 < cpctr> if the product hasn't been abused i don't see any reason to not approve the odd replacement
2018-08-14T13:24:10 < Adluc> cpctr: what kind of caps do you use? I am quite concerned on all designs with caps that I use only ceramic, before getting experience with any other
2018-08-14T13:24:55 < cpctr> whatever is suitable
2018-08-14T13:25:11 < cpctr> ceramic are cool
2018-08-14T13:25:30 < Adluc> do you have any quantification for "suitable"? :D getting experience by failed designs is quite expensive
2018-08-14T13:26:12 < cpctr> i think in general electronics is quite well designed and reliable
2018-08-14T13:26:15 < Adluc> I'd like to target to hi-rel, but all those capacitors with any liquid scare me
2018-08-14T13:26:23 < cpctr> until you start to ching out on garbage components
2018-08-14T13:26:53 < Adluc> cpctr: do devices you design reach more than 40 deg C?
2018-08-14T13:26:54 < cpctr> i've seen a lot of chinese electrolytics that don't fail 
2018-08-14T13:27:35 < cpctr> yes
2018-08-14T13:28:07 < cpctr> 40 deg C is ambient on an ozzstrayan summer
2018-08-14T13:30:14 < karlp> con3: I didn't do shit, Thorn was helping you :)
2018-08-14T13:35:31 < cpctr> https://youtu.be/DelF6zEHXpE?t=3m
2018-08-14T13:42:19 < karlp> Adluc: you can self declare for just abotu all the CE norms, only matters if you a) think you might not actualyl be ok, and b) care about your company name and c) have customers who will check the documents and actually be concerned abotu self declaring
2018-08-14T13:43:30 < Adluc> karlp: I am wondering for the case, where board will have also charging IC, and doing all the BMS stuff, and it catches fire
2018-08-14T13:44:14 < karlp> find what norms apply, read them, all the CE ones are free (fuck IEC moneygrabbing cunts)
2018-08-14T13:44:20 < Adluc> karlp: what do you mean by that a) ?
2018-08-14T13:44:34 < karlp> do you have doubts that your device might not be safe?
2018-08-14T13:44:51 < cpctr> funds are safu
2018-08-14T13:44:57 < karlp> the device has to fail before it matters who signed the certs :)
2018-08-14T13:45:15 < cpctr> :D
2018-08-14T13:45:35 < cpctr> i like it how they pick random things to short out
2018-08-14T13:45:59 < Adluc> well, high amps and lipo batteries, when device enters failure mode, anything may happen :D cap decides to identify itself as 0 ohm resistors
2018-08-14T13:46:11 < cpctr> have fun with all that
2018-08-14T13:47:06 < cpctr> why not
2018-08-14T13:47:28 < Steffanx> Gotta pump it up
2018-08-14T13:47:37 < kakimir> pump it higher
2018-08-14T13:47:40 < cpctr> those transient dogs
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2018-08-14T13:50:06 < kakimir> Laurenceb: "median averaging" works
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2018-08-14T13:50:37 < kakimir> I think I should do one thing more
2018-08-14T13:51:12 < kakimir> if there is some recurring value in samples
2018-08-14T13:51:17 < cpctr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMonlRsJ5hY
2018-08-14T13:51:24 < kakimir> it uses it instead of "median averaging"
2018-08-14T13:54:12 < dongs> sub ohm
2018-08-14T13:54:28 < cpctr> lol
2018-08-14T13:55:44 < cpctr> hackit
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2018-08-14T14:00:15 < con3> karlp: Dammit, my memory is going, thanks Thorn
2018-08-14T14:00:48 < Cracki> kakimir, a "mode" then?
2018-08-14T14:01:08 < karlp> who pasted the pics of hops? was that you englishman?
2018-08-14T14:01:17 < karlp> yeah must be, looks like their farm
2018-08-14T14:01:25 < karlp> they're looking healthy
2018-08-14T14:01:40 < kakimir> I realized I just should take a lot of samples and under half of them is for "median averaging"
2018-08-14T14:02:12 < kakimir> instead of picking the prominent value
2018-08-14T14:02:36 < kakimir> and a lot of samples so that I get wide enought set for averaging
2018-08-14T14:02:47 < kakimir> so that one different value wont change it completelly
2018-08-14T14:02:48 < Cracki> lotsa data
2018-08-14T14:03:06 < Cracki> aye, median is quite robust in that regard
2018-08-14T14:03:42 < kakimir> oh boy
2018-08-14T14:03:44 < kakimir> this is solid
2018-08-14T14:04:02 < kakimir> but I can see on board led blinking in the values
2018-08-14T14:04:05 < kakimir> not bad but still
2018-08-14T14:04:29 < kakimir> I have compensation with vcc/2 buffer
2018-08-14T14:05:29 < cpctr> Steffanx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezYmjA6JxLk
2018-08-14T14:06:05 < kakimir> I could change leds to have 10mA instead of 20mA
2018-08-14T14:07:05 < kakimir> if I just could somehow run the leds from VIN
2018-08-14T14:07:24 < kakimir> VIN can change between 10 - 30VDC
2018-08-14T14:07:34 < karlp> is your vdd sagging that much when the leds turn on/off?
2018-08-14T14:08:00 < kakimir> let me tell you how much it changes
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2018-08-14T14:08:43 < kakimir> 0.0013volts
2018-08-14T14:09:18 < cpctr> .
2018-08-14T14:10:14 < kakimir> Interesting.. sensor signal and vcc/2 buffer should both drop same amount
2018-08-14T14:11:19 < kakimir> when leds blink vcc/2 drop and after vcc/2 is back to original sensor signal rises same amount
2018-08-14T14:11:31 < kakimir> then drops
2018-08-14T14:12:11 < kakimir> could I use a transistor and +5v level as some sort of regulator for leds
2018-08-14T14:12:17 < kakimir> from VIN voltage?
2018-08-14T14:18:21 < cpctr> [][][]
2018-08-14T14:20:31 < kakimir> too high VIN voltage for nmos gate
2018-08-14T14:20:42 < kakimir> 30V - 5V = 25V
2018-08-14T14:20:59 < kakimir> 30V is normal operating conditions
2018-08-14T14:21:20 < kakimir> there can be close to 40volts in VIN circuit before clamping
2018-08-14T14:28:46 < kakimir> well I just ignore that small noise from leds
2018-08-14T14:29:03 < kakimir> it's after all a magnitude smaller than actual signal
2018-08-14T14:30:44 < Laurenceb> ▲
2018-08-14T14:31:20 < kakimir> this "median averaging" works magic Laurenceb 
2018-08-14T14:31:28 < Laurenceb> cool
2018-08-14T14:31:35 < kakimir> very
2018-08-14T14:43:43 < kakimir> now I need to implement precharging low pass filters
2018-08-14T14:44:35 < kakimir> sensors are switched of right after sampling
2018-08-14T14:44:39 < kakimir> then sleep
2018-08-14T14:44:47 < kakimir> then sensors are powered on
2018-08-14T14:45:11 < kakimir> it takes a while to charge low pass filters so there is sleep 10ms after that
2018-08-14T14:46:50 < kakimir> if I precharge low pass filter with gpio it means I can precharge, sleep, sample
2018-08-14T14:48:10 < kakimir> and get away with higher attenuation low pass filter and have same sleep time
2018-08-14T14:48:50 < kakimir> because of narrow voltage range of the signals if the signal is outside range it's fault automatically
2018-08-14T14:49:25 < kakimir> such a hack
2018-08-14T14:53:26 < kakimir> any lpc111x players here?
2018-08-14T14:53:54 < zyp> there's this finnish guy
2018-08-14T14:54:37 < kakimir> that never uses stm32 - only pumps nxp?
2018-08-14T14:56:54 < kakimir> I think I can pull up with weak pull-up without turning off analog of the pin
2018-08-14T14:57:06 < kakimir> just turn digital buffer back on
2018-08-14T15:00:58 < kakimir> why do you think I need to reinitialize ADC after sleep?
2018-08-14T15:01:41 < kakimir> I have not pinned it down yet what exactly is going on I just call initalize_adc() in exit_sleep()
2018-08-14T15:02:03 < kakimir> didn't think about it too much back then
2018-08-14T15:02:13 < kakimir> but I'm running out of stuff to do so better optimize some things
2018-08-14T15:04:28 < kakimir> calling the whole initialize_adc is a bit of waste
2018-08-14T15:12:43 < Laurenceb> https://postimg.cc/image/4m9hp15kd/
2018-08-14T15:16:52 < Laurenceb>  4chan on suicide watch
2018-08-14T15:18:51 < karlp> how does the comment relate to the picture?
2018-08-14T15:19:10 < Laurenceb>  ""she"" is teh 4chan waifu
2018-08-14T15:20:05 < BrainDamage> the photoshop to strip the make up looks overly done, the skin tone on the face is different from the one on the arms, it looks done to make it appear much worse
2018-08-14T15:21:09 < Laurenceb> >what is trolling
2018-08-14T15:21:30  * karlp still doesn't get it. people can cahnge their appearance with makeup is.... new?
2018-08-14T15:21:52 < Laurenceb> >incels fap over "beautiful" camwhore
2018-08-14T15:22:02 < Laurenceb> >troll posts "what she really looks like"
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2018-08-14T15:22:07 < Laurenceb> >incels an hero
2018-08-14T15:22:14 < Laurenceb> >epic lulz all round
2018-08-14T15:27:06 < jpa-> this must be the so called "british humor" that no-one else understands
2018-08-14T15:28:05 < Laurenceb> https://postimg.cc/image/bfj1cvybh/
2018-08-14T15:29:28 < BrainDamage> do british people understand british humor?
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2018-08-14T15:29:42 < Laurenceb> >not watching the brass eye pedophile special
2018-08-14T15:30:30 < BrainDamage> I guess if this is british english, it makes sense why americans wanted to make a simplified version, it's nearly impossible to understand
2018-08-14T15:31:46 < BrainDamage> it takes a crapload of efforts and lot of guessing, most of the time I give up halfway
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2018-08-14T15:32:49 < BrainDamage> in this case, if you want a transliteration "this woman is sexualized and objectified by 4chan, someone posted a photoshopped version where she looks ugly/almost a man, and now there will be lot of drama and regret on the boards"
2018-08-14T15:33:22 < jpa-> what confuses me the most is why does Laurenceb even follow that crap?
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2018-08-14T15:34:26 < BrainDamage> I believe that question's best asked to a psychiatrist
2018-08-14T15:35:26 < jpa-> my psychiatrist already thinks i'm pretty crazy, if i tell him about you guys i'll find myself in mental hospital
2018-08-14T15:38:38 < kakimir> jpa-: are you okay?
2018-08-14T15:39:50 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldFaroSsmKQ
2018-08-14T15:40:02 < Laurenceb> typical britbong humour
2018-08-14T15:40:32 < jpa-> kakimir: what does that mean?
2018-08-14T15:40:43 < kakimir> what you guise think if I want to charge 200nF on caps with mcu GPIO strong pullup?
2018-08-14T15:41:09 < jpa-> i think you better have 100 milliseconds of time to spare
2018-08-14T15:41:25 < kakimir> it's free
2018-08-14T15:41:35 < kakimir> it doesn't affect the circuit
2018-08-14T15:41:50 < kakimir> it's low pass filter
2018-08-14T15:42:02 < kakimir> pin is ADC pin connected to it
2018-08-14T15:42:10 < kakimir> sensor is operated periodically
2018-08-14T15:43:13 < kakimir> hmm
2018-08-14T15:43:35 < kakimir> there is delay to make sure the levels settle
2018-08-14T15:43:45 < kakimir> but hey
2018-08-14T15:44:01 < kakimir> you said it - series resistor to ADC pin
2018-08-14T15:44:12 < kakimir> between low pass filter and pin
2018-08-14T15:45:26 < kakimir> I wonder if it makes more noise to my ADC signal
2018-08-14T15:46:39 < BrainDamage> a picture's worth a thousand badly tought irc lines
2018-08-14T15:46:42 < kakimir> sensor - R - C(to ground) - R - Pin
2018-08-14T15:46:52 < kakimir> now I have
2018-08-14T15:46:57 < kakimir> sensor - R - C(to ground) - Pin
2018-08-14T15:47:20 < jpa-> what is the problem with the second one?
2018-08-14T15:47:57 < BrainDamage> depending on the adc input impedance and capacitance it can deform the signal
2018-08-14T15:47:58 < kakimir> gpio behaivour is not defined at 0-2Volts
2018-08-14T15:48:24 < kakimir> with high level outout
2018-08-14T15:49:05 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-14T15:49:23 < kakimir> I plan to put more capacitance to C
2018-08-14T15:49:50 < kakimir> but wish not to wait whole day to pin voltage settle
2018-08-14T15:49:58 < kakimir> it starts from 0
2018-08-14T15:50:20 < kakimir> as sensor it powered off state
2018-08-14T15:50:40 < kakimir> too slow
2018-08-14T15:51:00 < jpa-> why do you want to make such slow low-pass in hardware?
2018-08-14T15:51:23 < jpa-> why not just have low-pass enough for your ADC samplerate, and then further filtering in software where you can get much sharper than 6dB falloff
2018-08-14T15:52:55 < kakimir> maybe it's good how it is now
2018-08-14T15:54:06 < kakimir> 10k and 100n
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2018-08-14T15:56:22 < jpa-> remember that with 10k series resistor, at e.g. 100kHz samplerate you will get 13mV voltage drop
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2018-08-14T16:01:53 < kakimir> interesting
2018-08-14T16:02:00 < kakimir> I only take 10 samples though
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2018-08-14T16:02:22 < kakimir> I think sample rate is maybe around 10khz
2018-08-14T16:03:50 < kakimir> I don't even know
2018-08-14T16:04:03 < kakimir> it's not continuous sampling
2018-08-14T16:05:49 < kakimir> I have a loop with base delay and increment to delay
2018-08-14T16:05:58 < kakimir> and some nop delay loop in it
2018-08-14T16:06:35 < kakimir> if I had spectrum analysator I could maybe optimize sampling delay
2018-08-14T16:07:05 < Laurenceb> I know
2018-08-14T16:07:13 < Laurenceb> u need a time series database
2018-08-14T16:07:56 < srk> :D
2018-08-14T16:08:09 < srk> still struggling with time series dbs? :D
2018-08-14T16:08:25 < Laurenceb> nah it works
2018-08-14T16:08:33 < Laurenceb> but its a data black hole atm
2018-08-14T16:08:41 < srk> influx?
2018-08-14T16:08:42 < Laurenceb> I dont need it so I just shovel the data in
2018-08-14T16:08:44 < Laurenceb> yes
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2018-08-14T16:08:58 < srk> can it handle timestamps with milli/micro seconds?
2018-08-14T16:09:07 < Laurenceb> yes
2018-08-14T16:09:09 < srk> (my biggest issues with these so far)
2018-08-14T16:09:19 < srk> settled on timescale for now
2018-08-14T16:09:20 < Laurenceb> it uses unix time in nanseconds
2018-08-14T16:09:27 < srk> nice
2018-08-14T16:13:11 < Laurenceb> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=45824.280
2018-08-14T16:13:16 < Laurenceb> 11 threads O_o
2018-08-14T16:14:48 < Laurenceb> muh fustrum
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2018-08-14T16:29:23 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage ate too many pizzas before taking the bridge
2018-08-14T16:29:49 < BrainDamage> I'll need a translator
2018-08-14T16:34:19 < Laurenceb> https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/BCF8/production/_102967384_mediaitem102967381.jpg
2018-08-14T16:36:33 < BrainDamage> holy shit, I've just checked, that's one of the main highways
2018-08-14T16:38:18 < Sadale> wow. wtf
2018-08-14T16:38:21 < Sadale> What happened?
2018-08-14T16:38:47 < Steffanx> Damn indeed. :s
2018-08-14T16:42:54 < jpa-> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45183624
2018-08-14T16:43:02 < Laurenceb> ><Laurenceb> BrainDamage ate too many pizzas
2018-08-14T16:43:05 < BrainDamage> the traffic is going to be a nightmare this summer, there's 3 main highways running heightwise, on one a bridge partially collapsed last week after a tanker ran into a solvent truck, on this one it fell on its own
2018-08-14T16:44:30 < Thorn> tweets and photos https://meduza.io/feature/2018/08/14/v-genue-obrushilsya-avtomobilnyy-most-vysotoy-50-metrov-pogibli-desyatki-chelovek  https://meduza.io/feature/2018/08/14/obrushenie-avtomobilnogo-mosta-v-genue-fotografii
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2018-08-14T16:46:15 < Sadale> The site isn't in a language that I understand.
2018-08-14T16:47:18 < bitmask> its "likely" to be an immense tragedy?
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2018-08-14T16:47:28 < BrainDamage> 22 deaths so far
2018-08-14T16:48:45 < bitmask> lightning? wow
2018-08-14T16:50:31 < jpa-> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/44.42515/8.88745   haha, openstreetmap has already been updated
2018-08-14T16:50:59 < Sadale> lol that's a funny one.
2018-08-14T16:51:02 < Sadale> That's quick
2018-08-14T16:59:33 < Steffanx> Lolol
2018-08-14T17:01:01 < karlp> what?
2018-08-14T17:01:13 < Sadale> lol It can't get there because that section of the road's congested.
2018-08-14T17:01:28 < Sadale> And there're probably still tons of cars queuing there :P
2018-08-14T17:06:53 < englishman> come help harvest them karlp
2018-08-14T17:07:37 < karlp> still got a whole poudn of crystal to try and use.
2018-08-14T17:18:07 < Rickta59> anyone look at LL_mDelay() 
2018-08-14T17:18:29 < Rickta59> i guess they don't hand out scopes to people on the STM32Cube team
2018-08-14T17:20:58 < Sadale> Haohmaru, lol thne you'd just get off the car before the car drives itself to death :P
2018-08-14T17:21:08 < Sadale> then*
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2018-08-14T17:37:56 < Sadale> hmm. I highly doubt that it'd be an issue because reprogramming doesn't often quite often. I'm not sure about if it's the case in theory, tho
2018-08-14T17:39:14 < Sadale> I have no idea then :(
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2018-08-14T17:56:59 < BrainDamage> google captcha is asking to classify bridges in pictures, it's really trying to rub it in
2018-08-14T17:57:15 < englishman> haha
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2018-08-14T19:44:05 < Steffanx> Dundee Mate cpctr
2018-08-14T19:45:27 < cpctr> capeecitohrrr
2018-08-14T19:46:50 < Steffanx> 02.46. what. Is. Wrong. With. You. cpctr ?
2018-08-14T19:47:55 < cpctr> i'm turning into a dutch person
2018-08-14T19:49:39 < Steffanx> Hm
2018-08-14T19:54:24 < cpctr> [;
2018-08-14T19:55:29 < BrainDamage> did you start digging ditches in front of the beach?
2018-08-14T19:56:22 < cpctr> yes
2018-08-14T19:56:36 < BrainDamage> then you can't be saved
2018-08-14T19:58:37 < cpctr> hi
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2018-08-14T20:06:00 < englishman> innovations ended last night at 0400
2018-08-14T20:06:06 < englishman> back to work at 1000
2018-08-14T20:06:26 < englishman> the timer has started on jadew's temp logger
2018-08-14T20:12:53 < Thorn> can you make an AC linear regulator with a variable capacitor as the pass element?
2018-08-14T20:13:29 < jadew> englishman, not gonna start working on it, but I want something like that too, so I will, eventually
2018-08-14T20:13:36 < jadew> have to get other stuff in order first
2018-08-14T20:13:37 < BrainDamage> the short answer is no
2018-08-14T20:13:40 < Steffanx> We always blame the germans for that BrainDamage .
2018-08-14T20:13:44 < Steffanx> the beach ditches
2018-08-14T20:14:08 < englishman> you could just buy one tho
2018-08-14T20:14:19 < BrainDamage> variable capacitors are implemented using reverse biased diodes, which require strong negative biasing
2018-08-14T20:14:33 < BrainDamage> to tune the cap, you change the bias
2018-08-14T20:14:43 < Thorn> those are ~100pF max iirc
2018-08-14T20:14:43 < BrainDamage> the signal itself, must be small fraction of the bias
2018-08-14T20:15:27 < BrainDamage> so say, to have a 20v swing, you'd need a 200V bias, or you'd get nonlinear effects
2018-08-14T20:15:36 < BrainDamage> and yes, the cap change is tiny
2018-08-14T20:15:56 < BrainDamage> to to large cap spans, cap banks are switched typically
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2018-08-14T20:47:42 < jpa-> Thorn: why wouldn't you just make it with fets/transistors and dc-block capacitors?
2018-08-14T20:48:21 < Thorn> I don't want to dissipate real power
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2018-08-14T20:58:34 < jpa-> is your AC source very adaptable, or wouldn't you just cause more losses there when your capacitor impedance varies?
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2018-08-14T21:09:28 < kakimir> in address field there is street and house number
2018-08-14T21:10:39 < antto> heh, indeed a captcha asked me to find bridges
2018-08-14T21:12:16 < Thorn> jpa-: those losses won't heat up my device lol
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2018-08-14T21:42:05 < cpctr> cooker
2018-08-14T21:42:44 < Laurenceb__> tfw sargon of akkad earns more than the prime minister of the uk
2018-08-14T21:43:03 < cpctr> most ppl do 
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2018-08-14T21:48:06 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/uk90o7k8d/
2018-08-14T21:48:12 < cpctr> whos your father dear? is he a coal miner? does he stink of the lamp?
2018-08-14T21:48:53 < Cracki> when I saw that, I thought "Mary had a little lamb"
2018-08-14T21:49:05 < Cracki> and then I had to think about people and goats
2018-08-14T21:49:34 < Laurenceb__> oh my god, I think I worked it all out
2018-08-14T21:49:41 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/foahgs8vh/
2018-08-14T21:53:22 < Laurenceb__> it all makes sense now
2018-08-14T21:53:59 < zyp> ok
2018-08-14T21:55:16 < kakimir> holy shit
2018-08-14T21:55:58 < Laurenceb__> whats the matter kakimir? Afraid of the truth?
2018-08-14T21:56:43 < Steffanx> he was afraid it would be funny, luckily for him it was not
2018-08-14T21:57:00 < Laurenceb__> euros are weird
2018-08-14T21:57:01 < kakimir> I don't understand what this means
2018-08-14T21:57:08 < kakimir> but it looks detailed
2018-08-14T21:57:11 < Laurenceb__> funniest thing I saw all day
2018-08-14T21:57:24 < kakimir> what is maga Laurenceb__?
2018-08-14T21:57:33 < Laurenceb__> Trump slogan
2018-08-14T21:57:45 < kakimir> *facepalm*
2018-08-14T21:58:00 < Laurenceb__> >being this new
2018-08-14T21:58:01 < kakimir> I have been thinking like since he was elected
2018-08-14T21:58:06 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-08-14T22:03:30 < Laurenceb__> I'm still trying to work out if Qanon is CIA or some Washington think tank
2018-08-14T22:03:50 < Laurenceb__> I was going with think tank due to the chan obsession and ineptitude
2018-08-14T22:04:07 < Laurenceb__> but then I saw the CIA shitposts on 4chan unearthed by vault 7
2018-08-14T22:04:33 < Steffanx> Cant you just share this shit with people that actually care about it Laurenceb__ ?
2018-08-14T22:04:39 < Laurenceb__> k sorry
2018-08-14T22:04:51 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: where is Laurenceb__ in the map?
2018-08-14T22:04:56 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-08-14T22:05:00 < Steffanx> try mr C. Racki in private.
2018-08-14T22:05:12 < kakimir> identify you position on the map Laurenceb__ 
2018-08-14T22:05:21 < kakimir> kekistan
2018-08-14T22:05:23 < Laurenceb__> e v e r y w h e r e
2018-08-14T22:05:35 < kakimir> you wish
2018-08-14T22:05:55 < BrainDamage> I think the only position that Laurenceb needs to point, is where they have touched him as a kid, on a doll
2018-08-14T22:06:12 < kakimir> #brutal
2018-08-14T22:06:53 < Cracki> pathetic
2018-08-14T22:07:22 < kakimir> and I laughed a bit
2018-08-14T22:07:43 < Laurenceb__> lame
2018-08-14T22:07:56 < Laurenceb__> 0.01% as funny as that map
2018-08-14T22:08:37 < BrainDamage> there, more serious: https://ptpb.pw/2ba2.html
2018-08-14T22:08:49 < BrainDamage> fill it in, and copypaste the output please
2018-08-14T22:10:07 < Laurenceb__> what the fuuuuuuu
2018-08-14T22:10:17 < Laurenceb__> > 567.
2018-08-14T22:10:36 < Cracki> ocd test or what
2018-08-14T22:10:49 < BrainDamage> no, it has a dual pourpose
2018-08-14T22:11:02 < BrainDamage> answering 550 questions will keep him busy for a while
2018-08-14T22:11:06 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-08-14T22:11:17 < kakimir> is this sent directly to NSA
2018-08-14T22:11:20 < Cracki> this is like watching roadrunner and coyote
2018-08-14T22:11:22 < kakimir> to complete the profile?
2018-08-14T22:11:36 < kakimir> _the_ profile
2018-08-14T22:11:37 < Cracki> coyote thinks he's clever but roadrunner just ignores the traps
2018-08-14T22:12:23 < BrainDamage> after I literally told him, do you seriously think I consider he'd fill it?
2018-08-14T22:12:25 < Steffanx> end then there is the one that just says "The end".
2018-08-14T22:12:31 < Steffanx> *and
2018-08-14T22:12:34 < Laurenceb__> back to /qanon
2018-08-14T22:13:29 < kakimir> BrainDamage: what is the another purpose?
2018-08-14T22:15:35 < Laurenceb__> https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/
2018-08-14T22:15:40 < Laurenceb__> sides status: orbital
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2018-08-14T22:33:09 < Laurenceb__> >""people"" actual believe this
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2018-08-14T23:22:57 < Laurenceb__> product idea: stm32 powered qanon retweeter display with eink panel
2018-08-14T23:24:57 < Steffanx> deranged conspiracy cult
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2018-08-14T23:26:40 < Laurenceb__> the DCC panel
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2018-08-14T23:29:49 < Cracki> just starting to watch full metal alchemist (2017 movie)... starts out like a Heimatfilm, blond children, mother, everyone wears white/bright clothes, and then they turn around and are japanese!
2018-08-14T23:30:12 < Cracki> I would love to take my favorite sjws to see that
2018-08-14T23:30:49 < Steffanx> in ##stm32 you will only get: lol manga
2018-08-14T23:31:15 < Cracki> doubt it
2018-08-14T23:33:14 < Cracki> if there's ever a war again, I hope we're worthy to be allied to the japs
2018-08-14T23:34:29 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/Nac8UmS.jpg :P
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2018-08-14T23:36:15 < Cracki> 8888 to you too
2018-08-14T23:36:26 < bitmask> :)
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2018-08-14T23:36:53 < Cracki> I see you have a middle piece and two wings bolted onto it
2018-08-14T23:36:59 < BrainDamage> in true stm32 spirit, the inaguration signal should be either 'ass' or 'dick'
2018-08-14T23:38:03 < bitmask> good idea, I'll have to modify the guys code
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2018-08-14T23:43:01 < Thorn> no
2018-08-14T23:43:09 < Thorn> you do not understand the spirit of ##stm32
2018-08-14T23:43:37 < Thorn> it needs to flash 'dick' and 'butt' repeatedly
2018-08-14T23:44:24 < bitmask> and never anything else
2018-08-14T23:44:31 < bitmask> thats all you are allowed to make
2018-08-14T23:49:24 < Steffanx> It has to ask: where is stvn?
2018-08-14T23:57:30 < englishman> you could make a 7seg display out of smaller 7seg displays
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2018-08-15T00:00:51 < bitmask> but rgb!
2018-08-15T00:02:36 < bitmask> I think I have eye cancer from solder fumes
2018-08-15T00:03:11 < bitmask> ugh alright enough dicking around, I need to get work done
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2018-08-15T00:10:06 < Steffanx> Your words.
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2018-08-15T00:17:01 < kakimir> bitmask: inhale them so fume trail doesn't get in your eyes
2018-08-15T00:17:19 < bitmask> :)
2018-08-15T00:17:25 < bitmask> oh I'm bitmask again?
2018-08-15T00:18:36 < Laurenceb__> use a time series database
2018-08-15T00:21:08 < kakimir> run database on cortex mcu
2018-08-15T00:25:32 < Laurenceb__> >not on avr
2018-08-15T00:30:05 < Steffanx> didnt we meet in #avr Laurenceb__ for the first time?
2018-08-15T00:42:14 < kakimir> memories
2018-08-15T00:46:57 < Laurenceb__> long time ago maybe
2018-08-15T00:47:08 < Laurenceb__> I leant avr in 2004
2018-08-15T00:47:46 < kakimir> what did you do before that?
2018-08-15T00:48:40 < Laurenceb__> fapping
2018-08-15T00:48:48 < tomeaton17> hi
2018-08-15T00:49:25 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-15T00:49:36 < kakimir> how did you get to coding and when?
2018-08-15T00:49:46 < kakimir> did you do computer stuff?
2018-08-15T00:51:34 < kakimir> were you this young computer prodigy back then Laurenceb__ ?
2018-08-15T00:51:43 < Laurenceb__> I was into my ti86+
2018-08-15T00:51:46 < Laurenceb__> with basic
2018-08-15T00:52:14 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb__ was a savant
2018-08-15T00:52:20 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-15T00:52:48 < Laurenceb__> I wrote fft and 3d rendering in basic
2018-08-15T00:56:39 < Laurenceb__> 3d skull and stuff
2018-08-15T00:57:36 < kakimir> hmm
2018-08-15T00:58:06 < kakimir> I did code that draw a vulva
2018-08-15T00:58:17 < kakimir> and smiley face
2018-08-15T00:58:18 < Laurenceb__> >finland
2018-08-15T00:59:04 < kakimir> how old you were when you did your first fft?
2018-08-15T00:59:27 < BrainDamage> algorythm named "voi vittu"
2018-08-15T01:01:41 < kakimir> something like that
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2018-08-15T01:13:47 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: was fft something they taught in school?
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2018-08-15T01:14:54 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: did you type the code with the calculator keyboard?
2018-08-15T01:15:57 < Cracki> nostalgia https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/TI-86_calculator.jpg
2018-08-15T01:16:13 < Cracki> their shit computer software was shit
2018-08-15T01:16:55 < Cracki> at least programming them wasn't too bad... once you learn the keystrokes to get individual keywords
2018-08-15T01:17:19 < Cracki> had a ti 83
2018-08-15T01:17:54 < Steffanx> did you at least run mirageos and stuff?
2018-08-15T01:18:00 < Cracki> i remember that
2018-08-15T01:18:13 < Cracki> I remember flash was tight
2018-08-15T01:18:15 < cpctr> My funds are safe
2018-08-15T01:18:37 < Steffanx> déjà vu
2018-08-15T01:18:56 < cpctr> Yeah I had 83plus
2018-08-15T01:19:01 < cpctr> Piece of shit
2018-08-15T01:19:16 < Steffanx> why? You could program in basic
2018-08-15T01:19:20 < Steffanx> write text based games
2018-08-15T01:19:46 < Cracki> I wonder how well documented these things are now... perhaps replace the whole firmware with something custom
2018-08-15T01:19:53 < Steffanx> the drug trafficing game was hot.
2018-08-15T01:20:01 < Cracki> I have a ti 89 ti lying around, it has enough crunch for some interesting stuff
2018-08-15T01:20:13 < cpctr> When I dropped out of high school I sold it and got a slab of beer
2018-08-15T01:22:11 < Cracki> still got that idea in my head about pimping out one of these semi-smart calcs with 2-line "fancy text" matrix display that are admitted to some of our uni exams... put a real processor in it, load some real software on it
2018-08-15T01:22:24 < Cracki> replace the whole pcb, of course
2018-08-15T01:23:04 < Cracki> button cell would be sucked dry after an exam but eh
2018-08-15T01:23:06 < cpctr> Yeah
2018-08-15T01:23:27 < cpctr> I never needed to though
2018-08-15T01:23:37 < Steffanx> Make it wireless and use it as a terminal for some remote pc. browse the web, lynx.
2018-08-15T01:23:53 < Cracki> meow
2018-08-15T01:24:00 < cpctr> Cats
2018-08-15T01:24:09 < Steffanx> Get caught and expelled.
2018-08-15T01:24:19 < cpctr> Yeah
2018-08-15T01:24:20 < Cracki> for cheating you only fail the exam
2018-08-15T01:24:29 < cpctr> Hah
2018-08-15T01:24:40 < Steffanx> and all the previous exams or .. only when they can proof it?
2018-08-15T01:25:04 < Cracki> doom on this puppy? https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51aYh6uTX5L.jpg
2018-08-15T01:25:14 < cpctr> In Australia the exams are easy
2018-08-15T01:25:24 < Cracki> a pass is a pass
2018-08-15T01:25:32 < Cracki> and most exams don't need/allow a calc
2018-08-15T01:25:37 < cpctr> Cause universities are full of curry munchers from overseas
2018-08-15T01:25:41 < Cracki> lol
2018-08-15T01:25:41 < Steffanx> there was wolfenstein 3d for mirageos on the ti83/84 :D
2018-08-15T01:25:50 < cpctr> M8
2018-08-15T01:26:01 < Steffanx> https://www.calculatorti.com/ti-games/ti-83-plus-ti-84-plus/mirageos/wolfenstein-3d/
2018-08-15T01:26:08 < Cracki> someone needs to make a "shooter" where you clobber commies
2018-08-15T01:26:29 < cpctr> Do you remember doom rpg for mobile phones lol
2018-08-15T01:26:43 < Cracki> like with a bike lock or something, because that doesn't land you in jail (!)
2018-08-15T01:27:02 < Cracki> ah! 1 bit graphics!
2018-08-15T01:27:27 < Steffanx> https://www.calculatorti.com/ti-games/ti-83-plus-ti-84-plus/ion/afro-dance-ion dongs owns/owned a ti83/84+ too it seems
2018-08-15T01:27:41 < Cracki> dats raycis
2018-08-15T01:27:57 < cpctr> GNAA mobile gaming
2018-08-15T01:28:26 < Cracki> *sees the bulging head* do they have that with muhammad too?
2018-08-15T01:29:02 < Cracki> now I wonder how well "goat simulator" would work on a graphing calc
2018-08-15T01:29:34 < Cracki> you could craft a "tongue" peripheral and plug it into the "headphone" jack like a controller
2018-08-15T01:31:26 < Laurenceb__> did you type the code with the calculator keyboard?
2018-08-15T01:31:28 < Laurenceb__> yes lol
2018-08-15T01:31:43 < Cracki> sure, the pc software sucked
2018-08-15T01:31:53 < cpctr> Italy exploded
2018-08-15T01:31:55 < Cracki> I must say, coding on the ti89 is a LOT more sucky
2018-08-15T01:32:07 < Cracki> type every single char, instead of selecting the whole keyword
2018-08-15T01:32:13 < Cracki> no, sweden exploded
2018-08-15T01:32:18 < Laurenceb__> I never got round to asm on it
2018-08-15T01:32:21 < Cracki> hundreds of cars ablaze, all coordinated
2018-08-15T01:32:31 < Cracki> same, read some tutorials but it was beyond me at the time
2018-08-15T01:32:31 < cpctr> Z80 for ngrs
2018-08-15T01:35:56 < Laurenceb__> ikr, better to use an avr
2018-08-15T01:37:17 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/jdtu5f3gb/
2018-08-15T01:37:34 < Cracki> noice
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2018-08-15T01:37:45 < Cracki> she knows what to wear
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2018-08-15T01:38:49 < Cracki> wonder where she puts the car keys... they couldn't fit in those pants if they _had_ pockets
2018-08-15T01:40:17 < Cracki> I can highly recommend high-resolution incremental encoders on any motor shaft. it's mindblowing what effects you can see.
2018-08-15T01:44:58 < kakimir> motors are not rotating smoothly right?
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2018-08-15T02:00:02 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/71qxs0fmj/
2018-08-15T02:00:04 < Laurenceb__> buying
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2018-08-15T02:06:22 < kakimir> assad is the good guy
2018-08-15T02:06:32 < cpctr> what are we doing
2018-08-15T02:06:51 < cpctr> dunno who that guy is
2018-08-15T02:07:12 < cpctr> does he innovate new electronics with stm32 power?
2018-08-15T02:07:23 < cpctr> then you should buy his t-shirt
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2018-08-15T02:07:45 < kakimir> because: kek
2018-08-15T02:08:31 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/qkvj19ji3/
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2018-08-15T02:10:41 < karlp> stahp
2018-08-15T02:12:43 < cpctr> hi karl
2018-08-15T02:15:24 < cpctr> hi stvn
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2018-08-15T02:26:01 < Laurenceb__> https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/72vluq/gwynne_shotwell_speaking_at_mit_road_to_mars/
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2018-08-15T02:30:39 < Laurenceb__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Package_%282018_film%29
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2018-08-15T02:33:47 < cpctr> the trip to mars
2018-08-15T02:34:06 < cpctr> so one guy kills all the other men, and runs around frantically raping all the women
2018-08-15T02:34:17 < cpctr> (the first settlement)
2018-08-15T02:35:27 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-08-15T02:35:30 < Laurenceb__> sounds good
2018-08-15T02:35:52 < cpctr> yeah this is the conclusion me and my friend came to, 6 years ago
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2018-08-15T02:44:03 < kakimir> hmm
2018-08-15T02:44:21 < kakimir> #6yearoldthoughts
2018-08-15T02:45:58 < cpctr> yes
2018-08-15T02:46:21 < cpctr> today I have a screwdriver
2018-08-15T02:46:36 < cpctr> it is made in germany
2018-08-15T02:46:48 < cpctr> like my reusable woolworths shopping bags (not kidding)
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2018-08-15T02:54:55 < kakimir> is it big?
2018-08-15T02:56:02 < Laurenceb__> 4U
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2018-08-15T02:59:07 < kakimir> if it's big you need to put it inside front of your pants
2018-08-15T03:00:24 < kakimir> http://www.tuukkavirtaperko.net/comic/1/0033.jpg
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2018-08-15T03:01:26 < kakimir> "that's a one big bolt - I want it" "I don't really have money for it"
2018-08-15T03:01:38 < kakimir> "I put it in my pants"
2018-08-15T03:02:11 < kakimir> "hello" cashier: "get the fuck out"
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2018-08-15T03:27:00 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UFKl9fULkA
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2018-08-15T05:38:29 < branjb> https://imgur.com/a/kCLfmER
2018-08-15T05:40:10 < dongs> rolf
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2018-08-15T06:07:39 < cpctr> jesus fuck me arse
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2018-08-15T06:41:31 < Cracki> https://pics.me.me/get-touched-by-jesus-in-a-mexican-prison-31273932.png
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2018-08-15T06:43:11 < dongs> unfunny
2018-08-15T06:43:20 < dongs> laowlrenceb-class link detected
2018-08-15T06:43:49 < Cracki> mexican prison inmate detected
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2018-08-15T06:54:56 < cpctr> ty sir
2018-08-15T06:57:59 < ColdKeyboard> Anyone have a clue to what's could be wrong with my setup. I have ST-Link connected to my board, PSU shows 0.003mA draw. I hit connect and current draw jumps to 0.035mA but ST-Link shows unable to connect. Any clues on what's going on here?
2018-08-15T06:59:19 < englishman> in st-link utility?
2018-08-15T06:59:39 < ColdKeyboard> yes
2018-08-15T06:59:46 < englishman> I assume the current jump is the chip coming out of a sleep mode?
2018-08-15T07:00:40 < englishman> idk post pix, schematic
2018-08-15T07:02:41 < ColdKeyboard> Sure. Just a sec
2018-08-15T07:02:50 < ColdKeyboard> Also I'm looking at the scope. There is ton of ringing :\
2018-08-15T07:04:51 < ColdKeyboard> http://docdro.id/nLj6oV5
2018-08-15T07:05:05 < ColdKeyboard> Ignore the resistor/capacitor values. I haven't updated those yet
2018-08-15T07:09:00 < ColdKeyboard> Any ideas?
2018-08-15T07:09:12 < ColdKeyboard> What's really weird is that I see a lot of ringing on RST line
2018-08-15T07:11:09 < englishman> is your non standard debug connector wired correctly? maybe it's in a wrong pin on the st-link
2018-08-15T07:12:21 < ColdKeyboard> I've wired it according to this doc https://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/user_manual/65/e0/44/72/9e/34/41/8d/DM00026748.pdf/files/DM00026748.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00026748.pdf
2018-08-15T07:14:10 < englishman> well, nothing should be wrong then
2018-08-15T07:14:18 < englishman> so why doesn't it work?
2018-08-15T07:15:06 < englishman> do you have psu current set super low and it's cutting out
2018-08-15T07:16:12 < ColdKeyboard> It's set to 150mA so that shouldn't be an issue I gues
2018-08-15T07:17:19 < ColdKeyboard> I have 4k7 on the reset line, that's not too low?
2018-08-15T07:23:26 < dongs> looks ok tome
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2018-08-15T07:37:19 < ColdKeyboard> For the life of me I can't figure out what's going on...
2018-08-15T07:37:33 < ColdKeyboard> I've even reflown the chip, looked under the scope, everything looks fine
2018-08-15T07:39:24 < ColdKeyboard> Pulling Boot0 pin High/Low has no effect during SWD programming?
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2018-08-15T08:17:54 < dongs> https://kotaku.com/the-reality-of-anime-girl-vr-massages-1828325383 lol japs
2018-08-15T08:17:58 < ColdKeyboard> Do I need to keep Boot pin high or low to be able to program the board without reset ?
2018-08-15T08:18:10 < ColdKeyboard> *without reset button
2018-08-15T08:21:55 < dongs> its F103
2018-08-15T08:21:59 < dongs> you can do anything
2018-08-15T08:23:11 < ColdKeyboard> Hmmm.... 
2018-08-15T08:23:25 < ColdKeyboard> Well this is a huge bummer... :\
2018-08-15T08:23:51 < ColdKeyboard> When I try to connec to the MCU I can see activity on RST pin, I can see clocks on SWCLK but nothing on SWDIO :\
2018-08-15T09:06:53 < dongs> do you have a less retarded debugger
2018-08-15T09:06:55 < dongs> and a real OS>?
2018-08-15T09:07:04 < dongs> or are you putzing around with lunix asnd stdick
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2018-08-15T09:17:25 < cpctr> hey up you fucking knobhead
2018-08-15T09:18:36 < cpctr> i have an altium problem
2018-08-15T09:19:41 < cpctr> englishpro told me 18.1.8
2018-08-15T09:20:43 < cpctr> unlike keil i've already used it for more than 15 minutes and they're trying to sell me more seaets
2018-08-15T09:20:45 < cpctr> *seasts
2018-08-15T09:20:49 < cpctr> seats
2018-08-15T09:20:53 < cpctr> fucking pricks
2018-08-15T09:30:58 < dongs> wat
2018-08-15T09:35:37 < cpctr> he told me 18.1.8 is out
2018-08-15T09:35:41 < cpctr> i don't see it
2018-08-15T09:37:47 < dongs> yeah no release notes for .8 yet
2018-08-15T09:37:51 < dongs> lazy kikes
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2018-08-15T09:50:39 < cpctr> i cant even get it
2018-08-15T09:50:49 < cpctr> i've got a loicence
2018-08-15T10:01:55 < cpctr> did fleck hang himself?
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2018-08-15T10:16:29 < Steffanx> Fleck just left ##stm32. Was for his own wellbeing
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2018-08-15T10:24:43 < cpctr> cool all  nets routed, time for a beer?
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2018-08-15T10:34:51 < cpctr> should I find fleck?
2018-08-15T10:36:57 < dongs> is he talking?
2018-08-15T10:37:39 < cpctr> perhaps
2018-08-15T10:40:21 < Steffanx>  /Query fleck
2018-08-15T10:40:38 < Steffanx> Hes there.
2018-08-15T10:41:05 < Steffanx> Go fetch doggy doggy cpctr 
2018-08-15T10:41:44 < cpctr> n
2018-08-15T10:42:27 < cpctr> i forgot tek2 sent him into an autistic shit fit
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2018-08-15T10:48:42 < blacktronics> this is unbelievable  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/r5bse82S/irccloudcapture6483712606102937387.jpg
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2018-08-15T10:50:32 < cpctr> should I read this?
2018-08-15T10:51:13 < cpctr> wow I bled from my nostril reading that thanks
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2018-08-15T11:24:45 < blacktronics> No problem
2018-08-15T11:25:08 < blacktronics> The best part is that this is in a 520€ product 
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2018-08-15T11:35:25 < cpctr> sounds about right!
2018-08-15T11:35:50 < cpctr> one thing i learned quickly was money and quality are not some kind of linear scale
2018-08-15T11:36:24 < cpctr> my metcal MFR system inside looks like a butchered eng proto
2018-08-15T11:36:58 < cpctr> and it will lock up power-up every now and then
2018-08-15T11:37:22 < cpctr> (i have 2 of these and both have this issue)
2018-08-15T11:39:18 < cpctr> http://au.element14.com/metcal/mfr-1351/solder-desolder-system-int-pump/dp/1909695
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2018-08-15T12:05:00 < zyp> got a wisdom tooth pulled today, hearing stuff being ripped apart inside my head while feeling nothing was an interesting sensation
2018-08-15T12:06:19 < tomeaton17> thats nasty. are you high
2018-08-15T12:07:29 < zyp> nah
2018-08-15T12:08:55 < cpctr> do you feel wise?
2018-08-15T12:09:08 < zyp> I don't think the dentist used a lot of anesthetic either, didn't seem to affect any of the muscles in the area much
2018-08-15T12:09:22 < zyp> cpctr, logically I should be less so now that I'm missing one
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2018-08-15T12:12:40 < cpctr> :o
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2018-08-15T12:19:14 < blacktronics> cpctr: tbh the quality of this thing is pretty good and does what it's supposed to perfectly fine
2018-08-15T12:19:47 < cpctr> yeah mine had no docs just a few images
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2018-08-15T12:19:54 < cpctr> about 6 words for each page
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2018-08-15T12:28:02 < cpctr> ARM
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2018-08-15T12:34:38 < karlp> blacktronics: and you're already inside the public facing parts of the case right?
2018-08-15T12:34:42 < karlp> so.... who cares?
2018-08-15T12:37:28 < cpctr> the dogs
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2018-08-15T12:54:49 < jpa-> zyp: had the tooth rotten or was it just preventatively removed?
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2018-08-15T12:59:41 < Steffanx> In le pay bas its 999/1000 times the latter (just fyi) :P
2018-08-15T12:59:54 < Steffanx> Pays bas*
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2018-08-15T13:04:30 < zyp> jpa-, half the tooth was gone, been like that since it first appeared
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2018-08-15T13:04:51 < zyp> other side is the same, gonna have that pulled too next week
2018-08-15T13:05:24 < zyp> never really hurt or anything, so I haven't bothered doing anything about it before now, probably should have got them both removed years ago :p
2018-08-15T13:05:31 < blacktronics> karlp: nah not public facing, its a digital speaker management system, not really serviceable, all the magic is in the software 
2018-08-15T13:05:32 < jpa-> i have one wisdom tooth that is 90 deg in wrong orientation, but haven't bothered doing anything about it
2018-08-15T13:05:48 < jpa-> zyp: why now, then? :P
2018-08-15T13:06:25 < zyp> went for my first dental checkup in 12 years or something, dentist said there were no point in keeping them :p
2018-08-15T13:07:27 < karlp> (dentist wanted easy items to bill for)
2018-08-15T13:07:41 < karlp> if tehy weren't causing problems, there's no need to get rid of them,
2018-08-15T13:09:12 < zyp> I'm keeping the lower ones that are in normal condition
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2018-08-15T13:51:36 < englishman> https://www.anandtech.com/show/13124/the-amd-threadripper-2990wx-and-2950x-review/7
2018-08-15T13:51:58 < englishman> 18 core 140W intel = 32 core 250W amd
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2018-08-15T13:55:32 < zyp> sounds about right
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2018-08-15T14:01:53 < dongs> lol
2018-08-15T14:01:54 < dongs> amd
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2018-08-15T14:27:25 < karlp> still seems to show that shit heaps of stuff can't use all those cores/threads.
2018-08-15T14:28:49 < englishman> chrome will find a way
2018-08-15T14:30:18 < Thorn> chrome will run out of ram before running out of cores
2018-08-15T14:33:30 < Hamilton> Is there a "__TIM1_CLK_ENABLE()" macro in CubeHal?
2018-08-15T14:35:54 < Laurenceb> wtf those benchmarks are all over the place
2018-08-15T14:36:02 < Laurenceb> might as well get entry level AMD
2018-08-15T14:37:44 < Laurenceb> unless u need single thread, in which case intel winz
2018-08-15T14:40:28 < Laurenceb> Q anon predicted this
2018-08-15T14:40:46 < Laurenceb> >Be Alex Jonestien
2018-08-15T14:40:55 < Laurenceb> >talk about false flag attacks
2018-08-15T14:41:14 < Laurenceb> >do a false flag ddos against ur own site to get it in the news
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2018-08-15T14:43:27 < Laurenceb> ^mens rights activist
2018-08-15T14:49:25 < Laurenceb>  Happily you can bypass this CHICOM censorship by downloading the official Infowars.com™ app
2018-08-15T14:56:11 < kakimir> snus
2018-08-15T15:04:35 < kakimir> used cnc machine first time in my life
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2018-08-15T15:16:32 < Hamilton> Laurenceb, Alex Jones approves
2018-08-15T15:16:58 < Laurenceb> there is no way his site got DDOS'd
2018-08-15T15:17:05 < Laurenceb> he took the server offline
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2018-08-15T15:18:16 < tomeaton17> I like alex jones
2018-08-15T15:18:36 < Hamilton> Actually I don't even know him
2018-08-15T15:18:44 < Hamilton> Some trending YT of him here and there
2018-08-15T15:18:47 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb knows this as I dedicated coursework to him (im not autistic)
2018-08-15T15:19:03 < Laurenceb> but you are autastic
2018-08-15T15:19:58 < Steffanx> ##spectrum32
2018-08-15T15:20:22 < tomeaton17> what even is that 
2018-08-15T15:21:09 < Steffanx> Asd
2018-08-15T15:22:43 < Hamilton> Is there any "desing pattern" for embedded stuff?
2018-08-15T15:22:58 < Hamilton> A book recom? Tutorial?
2018-08-15T15:32:46 < Cracki> "design"
2018-08-15T15:32:51 < Cracki> what do you plan to do?
2018-08-15T15:33:14 < Cracki> design patterns mostly boil down to "use abstraction", i.e. hardware abstraction, RTOS features, ...
2018-08-15T15:34:24 < Cracki> it's also a good idea to pinout/testpad anything interesting in case you need to scope something
2018-08-15T15:35:01 < Hamilton> Cracki, There are "patterns" that I guess are used often in embedded. For example, what is the best way to for a sample node to sample data and send them wirelessly? There are lots of way of doing that (DMA, circ buffers, FIFO,..) But what is the standard way of doing things?
2018-08-15T15:36:05 < Hamilton> I guess this ambiguity of mine stems from the fact that I don't know any RTOS... I guess after that, I could see the standard design procedure for projects
2018-08-15T15:37:37 < Hamilton> Embedded people don't just rush into code and bring up stuff in a Super-Loop architecture right? After some experiences, they find for example that polling Serial is not a good idea
2018-08-15T15:38:04 < Hamilton> (That in fact might be a good idea for slow UART)
2018-08-15T15:38:56 < Hamilton> *fast UART :\
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2018-08-15T15:50:41 < zyp> different projects have different requirements and thus different code patterns
2018-08-15T15:51:39 < zyp> everything has tradeoffs so there's no "one size fits all"
2018-08-15T15:53:02 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/988c7f88eb/136236.png
2018-08-15T15:53:04 < zyp> polling various stuff in a loop is a perfectly viable pattern for smaller projects
2018-08-15T15:54:12 < zyp> add interrupts as required by your latency requirements, add buffers as required by your flow control requirements, add sleep/wakeup logic as required by your power requirements
2018-08-15T15:54:56 < zyp> go RTOS if your project has a real benefit from multithreading
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2018-08-15T15:55:27 < karlp> or go rtos immediately, so you can logically separate things, and avoid adding hand rolled buffering and messaging stuff...
2018-08-15T15:55:56 < karlp> it can be easier to add thigns to a "pointless" rtos implementation than to convert something to using an rtos later.
2018-08-15T15:57:12 < Hamilton> karlp, That's what I meant. I mean by submitting our design to the boundaries and bloat of an RTOS, we can have the *same* design mindset in different projects
2018-08-15T15:59:37 < Hamilton> Do you guys frequent /r/embedded? Reddit in general has nice news/communities in it
2018-08-15T15:59:39 < zyp> if you're gonna end up with an RTOS either way, by all means use it from the start
2018-08-15T16:00:35 < Hamilton> zyp, I guess for every hobby project at least, starting with an RTOS is a good idea
2018-08-15T16:00:55 < karlp> so. turned on WAL mode for a sqlite db because I was getting db busy errors from it.  because of the way I was using it, it never managed to finish checkpoints.
2018-08-15T16:01:12 < karlp> ended up with a 30meg db and 1.2gig WAL.
2018-08-15T16:01:23 < karlp> manually hceckpoing it, goes back to just a 40meg db file.
2018-08-15T16:02:50 < zyp> Hamilton, sounds like a great way to end up with a bunch of dumb multithreading use and fun issues to debug :)
2018-08-15T16:03:33 < karlp> possibly better than never having seen those issues until it's even more complicated,
2018-08-15T16:03:46 < karlp> but yes, there'sa  reason people write main busy loops
2018-08-15T16:05:10 < zyp> IMO you're better off getting into the habit of writing nonblocking code
2018-08-15T16:06:08 < Hamilton> karlp, Don't you think majority of super-loop writers, don't actually know of RTOS or State Machine based design? I mean if you started with Arduino or 8-bit AVRs, and hacked you way thorugh tutorials and forum posts here and there, the *evolutionary* way of doing things comes down to spagetti-based super-loop 
2018-08-15T16:06:11 < Hamilton> Just a thoery 
2018-08-15T16:06:14 < karlp> zyp: perhaps,
2018-08-15T16:06:34 < karlp> there's a lot ot be said for using the tools at your disposal so that you can write everything in "blocking" mode, in it's own thread.
2018-08-15T16:07:09 < karlp> it certainly helps when you're aware that they don't run concurrently, you just get logical separation.
2018-08-15T16:07:54 < karlp> Hamilton: people also re-invent OSs, repeatedly, and without all the bugifxes and commong traps that could be avoided.
2018-08-15T16:08:01 < zyp> I'm much more a fan of the coroutine-way of writing async code that has become popular in higher level languages
2018-08-15T16:08:03 < karlp> (fwiw, I just use a superloop in ~all my work, so....)
2018-08-15T16:08:14 < karlp> has become popular with _some_ people, in _some_ languages :)
2018-08-15T16:08:26 < karlp> but it's stills omething you get support from the environment for doing,
2018-08-15T16:08:28 < zyp> I hope the coroutines that might make their way into C++20 would be useful on embedded
2018-08-15T16:09:01 < karlp> in what cases is a couritine functionall different than an rtos thread anyway? 
2018-08-15T16:09:14 < karlp> just syntax
2018-08-15T16:09:31 < Hamilton> Does anyone know for example what is the "design pattern" for a PID or general contorls logic implementation?
2018-08-15T16:10:16 < Hamilton> I mean you could get away with a super-loop for a basic PID but as soon as stuff gets complicated, the bad logic affects the controls logic itself
2018-08-15T16:10:53 < zyp> karlp, you're not dealing with thread stacks
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2018-08-15T16:12:31 < karlp> you can do an awful lot without having to worry abotu them honestly, but ok, sure, that's something.
2018-08-15T16:16:00 < zyp> I mean, essentially it's not all that different from cooperative multithreading, if you consider calling a coroutine spawning a thread and awaiting the result of a future joining a thread
2018-08-15T16:17:06 < zyp> the difference is that all the non-coroutines you call in between the async primitives are all called on the single main stack, while the coroutine frames alone are allocated on a heap or something
2018-08-15T16:25:27 < antto> when i search for a chip on st's website and only get one result for some demo board - what should that tell me about the chip?
2018-08-15T16:25:33 < antto> is it abandoned?
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2018-08-15T16:26:37 < antto> i only got a datasheet from mouser which is from 2002 and has inconsistencies with the pin namings and numberings
2018-08-15T16:27:24 < Sadale> I'm also interested in the answer of what antto's asking. 
2018-08-15T16:29:18 < qyx> even space guys would not use a 16 year old thing
2018-08-15T16:29:38 < antto> i'm sub-space
2018-08-15T16:31:35 < zyp> antto, which chip are we talking about?
2018-08-15T16:31:43 < antto> STA120
2018-08-15T16:32:12 < Sadale> lol space guy would use 50 years old thing :P
2018-08-15T16:35:20 < antto> there are some typos and inconsistencies in the datasheet
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2018-08-15T17:24:49 < kakimir> I need to decide pin order for connector
2018-08-15T17:25:05 < kakimir> +5, gnd, sensor out, reference out
2018-08-15T17:25:22 < kakimir> would you put +5 or gnd first?
2018-08-15T17:27:18 < qyx> I would prefer +5, gnd, out, out
2018-08-15T17:27:25 < qyx> but if it is a sensor
2018-08-15T17:27:37 < qyx> I would make its input 24V tolerant
2018-08-15T17:27:45 < qyx> and adopt a standard M8 sensor pinout
2018-08-15T17:30:16 < karlp> fuck m8 bullshit ovepriced oversized loser shit
2018-08-15T17:30:20 < kakimir> I have m12
2018-08-15T17:30:22 < karlp> "standards"
2018-08-15T17:30:23 < kakimir> standard?
2018-08-15T17:30:39 < kakimir> 4-24mA?
2018-08-15T17:30:43 < kakimir> nah boi
2018-08-15T17:30:56 < kakimir> *4-20mA was it
2018-08-15T17:31:51 < kakimir> have you ever done something hours just to realize that you did it wrong way?
2018-08-15T17:32:02 < karlp> if you haven't, you've never tried anything
2018-08-15T17:32:08 < qyx> karlp: whats wrong with those connectors
2018-08-15T17:32:30 < qyx> fot their price you cannot find a better waterproof (also unmated) rated connectors
2018-08-15T17:32:38 < kakimir> I mean I planned to do it right way
2018-08-15T17:32:43 < kakimir> started doing it
2018-08-15T17:32:46 < qyx> which are manufactured by more manufacturers
2018-08-15T17:33:03 < kakimir> did it the wrong way without thinking
2018-08-15T17:33:29 < qyx> also they are quite rugged
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2018-08-15T17:45:27 < Laurenceb> wew
2018-08-15T17:45:39 < Laurenceb> someone just ran over a datalogger with a wambulance
2018-08-15T17:47:11 < kakimir> you need to start business Laurenceb 
2018-08-15T17:47:21 < kakimir> LLogger Ltd
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2018-08-15T17:49:06 < BrainDamage> lolger
2018-08-15T17:53:04 < kakimir> well
2018-08-15T17:53:25 < kakimir> it's a fact that laurenceb business will be named after memetics
2018-08-15T17:54:10 < kakimir> at least in here daywork never makes you wealthy
2018-08-15T17:54:41 < kakimir> even if salary goes up 60% maximum tax makes heavy damage
2018-08-15T17:55:04 < kakimir> it's always running a business what makes some individuals wealthy
2018-08-15T17:55:25 < Laurenceb> ree muh gui is glitching
2018-08-15T17:55:35 < kakimir> they can even do the same exact things than in their dayjob before
2018-08-15T17:55:42 < Laurenceb> RIFFB\Uffffffff@\Uffffffff\Uffffffff
2018-08-15T17:55:44 < Laurenceb> wtf
2018-08-15T17:55:50 < Laurenceb> data header
2018-08-15T17:56:30 < Laurenceb> maybe I didnt understand QStrings properly
2018-08-15T17:57:06 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/KpZjNPRA
2018-08-15T17:57:16 < Laurenceb> is line 44 ok?
2018-08-15T18:19:10 < Cracki> what do you do with that riff header and why is it "encoding" -1?
2018-08-15T18:19:58 < Cracki> wats "thismetadata" and what does toLatin1() return?
2018-08-15T18:22:07 < Laurenceb> nvm found the bug
2018-08-15T18:22:17 < Laurenceb> headersize was an 8 bit int that was overflowing
2018-08-15T18:23:21 < Cracki> orly
2018-08-15T18:23:28 < Cracki> what header uses 8 bits length
2018-08-15T18:26:30 < Laurenceb> muh arduino copypasta codez
2018-08-15T18:26:58 < karlp> qyx: if you need that level of waterpoof/rugged, sure.
2018-08-15T18:27:50 < Laurenceb> hmm now I ~"just" need gps to database upload
2018-08-15T18:27:55 < Laurenceb> and muh real time display
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2018-08-15T18:39:44 < Ultrasauce> Laurenceb why are you so good at writing code that is painful to read
2018-08-15T18:40:10 < bitmask> :)
2018-08-15T18:40:22 < Laurenceb> https://s2.b3ta.com/host/creative/65077/1534239320/HitlerTea.jpg
2018-08-15T18:40:59 < Cracki> would drink
2018-08-15T18:41:14 < Cracki> he looks like a nice upstanding man. perhaps an artist?
2018-08-15T18:42:09 < karlp> Ultrasauce: because academia
2018-08-15T18:42:42 < bitmask> 6 assignments, 2 project, and 1 exam remaining
2018-08-15T18:43:08 < Laurenceb> wonder how long before a datalogger is run over by a tank
2018-08-15T18:43:17 < Laurenceb> its the only thing they havent been run over by
2018-08-15T18:43:54 < Laurenceb> one was destroyed by a crawler excavator
2018-08-15T18:45:41 < Ultrasauce> res*= made me actually angry
2018-08-15T18:45:42 < Ultrasauce> i am mad
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2018-08-15T18:49:39 < Laurenceb> or hit by a meteorite
2018-08-15T18:49:59 < Ultrasauce> it deserves it
2018-08-15T18:50:10 < Laurenceb> kill the F103
2018-08-15T19:01:10 < Laurenceb> https://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/solution-evaluation-tools/psu-and-converter-solution-eval-boards/steval-isb045v1.html?icmp=tt7911_gl_pron_aug2018
2018-08-15T19:01:16 < Laurenceb> interesting
2018-08-15T19:04:02 < Steffanx> Whats wrong with *= Ultrasauce ?
2018-08-15T19:05:13 < Cracki> multiplying lengths onto a qint8, whyyy
2018-08-15T19:05:22 < Cracki> ah, it's a logical AND?
2018-08-15T19:05:43 < Cracki> what if the result values are negative twice? then it's positive as well
2018-08-15T19:06:14 < bitmask> what are these Q prefixes?
2018-08-15T19:06:22 < karlp> qt is qspecial
2018-08-15T19:06:22 < Cracki> qt's own definitions
2018-08-15T19:06:29 < Cracki> more "portable" I guess
2018-08-15T19:06:36 < Cracki> they're really just typedefs
2018-08-15T19:06:40 < Cracki> at least for the ints
2018-08-15T19:06:48 < bitmask> oh qt
2018-08-15T19:08:01 < Ultrasauce> Steffanx: res*=fseek(foo);
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2018-08-15T19:08:19 < Steffanx> Oh didnt look at it really.  :p
2018-08-15T19:09:01 < Steffanx> Excellent Laurenceb.
2018-08-15T19:10:16 < Laurenceb> I have a 1k line methlab script if u would liek
2018-08-15T19:10:43 < Laurenceb> my most cancerous codez https://pastebin.com/uL7ScbK1
2018-08-15T19:11:02 < Cracki> up it on methlab file exchange
2018-08-15T19:11:30 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-08-15T19:13:12 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/988c7f88eb/136267.jpg
2018-08-15T19:13:52 < Cracki> and then they need welfare
2018-08-15T19:14:25 < Cracki> I'm starting to think a little prenatal genetic testing would be a good thing
2018-08-15T19:18:15 < Cracki> neither of them voted republican and when the kid is grown up, it'll vote pro-choice, I'm sure
2018-08-15T19:24:16 < Steffanx> Did laurenceb even read:
2018-08-15T19:24:19 < Steffanx> <Cracki> what if the result values are negative twice? then it's positive as well
2018-08-15T19:24:21 < Steffanx> ?
2018-08-15T19:24:34 < Laurenceb> they arent
2018-08-15T19:24:36 < Laurenceb> the end
2018-08-15T19:24:40 < Steffanx> Ok.
2018-08-15T19:25:24 < Steffanx> How
2018-08-15T19:25:29 < Steffanx> Sure are you?
2018-08-15T19:26:14 < Steffanx> Or is this "it didnt happen yet, so it wont"
2018-08-15T19:26:31 < Laurenceb> cuz documentation
2018-08-15T19:27:11 < Steffanx> "Can return anything on success or failure"
2018-08-15T19:30:10 < kakimir> shiet half an hour of work left
2018-08-15T19:33:43 < Cracki> wil you survive?
2018-08-15T19:35:14 < Cracki> a herd of segways just scrolled by...
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2018-08-15T19:52:47 < bitmask> woo, time to wind my first coil
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2018-08-15T19:58:32 < BrainDamage> how can you possibly be excited about that?
2018-08-15T19:58:51 < bitmask> haha
2018-08-15T19:58:56 < Ultrasauce> cause he hasnt done any yet
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2018-08-15T20:06:39 < Steffanx> ##PartyPoopers32
2018-08-15T20:06:45 < Laurenceb> coil virgin
2018-08-15T20:06:45 < bitmask> always
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2018-08-15T20:21:43 < Cracki> plain old coil? got a drill or something?
2018-08-15T20:22:13 < Cracki> if you have steppers lying around, they're real nice for winding an exact number of turns
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2018-08-15T20:59:14 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/IK3Uuok.png
2018-08-15T20:59:15 < bitmask> woot
2018-08-15T20:59:24 < bitmask> used a drill
2018-08-15T20:59:50 < bitmask> ohh stepper is a good idea
2018-08-15T21:00:02 < bitmask> this didnt have to be exact, I just hope it was enough
2018-08-15T21:01:33 < Steffanx> what are you doing rob235?
2018-08-15T21:01:44 < Steffanx> what is it for?
2018-08-15T21:01:51 < bitmask> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1966169 :)
2018-08-15T21:02:22 < Steffanx> ah
2018-08-15T21:03:44 < bitmask> fuck me
2018-08-15T21:03:56 < bitmask> what did I do wrong
2018-08-15T21:04:06 < bitmask> its supposed to measure around 50 ohms and mine measures 31
2018-08-15T21:06:59 < kakimir> bitmask: did you watch video I posted last night?
2018-08-15T21:07:23 < bitmask> some of it but I was working on school stuff so I paused it for later
2018-08-15T21:07:48 < bitmask> maybe I shoulda watched it first :P
2018-08-15T21:07:52 < bitmask> what can I do here?
2018-08-15T21:07:58 < bitmask> what did I do wrong?
2018-08-15T21:08:21 < kakimir> I don know?
2018-08-15T21:10:00 < bitmask> but but you guys know everything
2018-08-15T21:10:29 < kakimir> I don't
2018-08-15T21:10:36 < kakimir> I'm just a dummy
2018-08-15T21:14:48 < bitmask> so either my wire is too thick or too good quality
2018-08-15T21:15:31 < Laurenceb> work it out from wire gauge
2018-08-15T21:16:18 < bitmask> ?
2018-08-15T21:18:25 < Laurenceb> le sign
2018-08-15T21:18:45 < Laurenceb> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Tables/wirega.html
2018-08-15T21:22:54 < Cracki> bitmask, if you need dc impedance, did you calc the wire length right?
2018-08-15T21:23:06 < Cracki> or wind some more :P
2018-08-15T21:25:09 < Cracki> heh, and I always use my third hand for that... which is suboptimal https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1725308
2018-08-15T21:27:28 < tpw_rules> is there any reason to not turn on flash prefetch if it can be turned on
2018-08-15T21:28:45 < Thorn> bitmask: you may have been accidentally sold audiophile grade oxygen free copper which costs $8000/meter. you can test it by reversing the polarity of the DMM. oxygen free copper is directional. you will see different resistance in each direction
2018-08-15T21:30:51 < bitmask> nope same both ways, I may have just used too thick of wire, I've seen 28 and 30 awg people mentioned, I used 28, would that make that much of a difference?
2018-08-15T21:35:01 < Laurenceb> yes
2018-08-15T21:35:46 < bitmask> I guess I'll see if theres enough room to wrap enough to make the difference
2018-08-15T21:39:05 < bitmask> oh shit, I see now, 65 Ohms per 1000 ft vs 103
2018-08-15T21:40:06 < bitmask> so I'd still need another 100m, damn, maybe I should just cut my losses and buy some 30awg
2018-08-15T21:40:44 < Thorn> you need to measure the inductance
2018-08-15T21:40:55 < bitmask> ?
2018-08-15T21:41:04 < Thorn> you normally wind a coil to obtain a specific inductance
2018-08-15T21:41:36 < bitmask> I'm just following a build on thingiverse, its easy enough if I got the right gauge
2018-08-15T21:43:40 < Ultrasauce> ya why would you want a more optimal design when you can just cargocult it
2018-08-15T21:45:26 < Cracki> try the coil as it is. that build is probably not an exactly engineered thing
2018-08-15T21:46:13 < Cracki> if it has less resistance, it'll achieve the same current at lower voltage...
2018-08-15T21:46:36 < Cracki> and if you have the turns (or diameter and length) right, that's good enough
2018-08-15T21:47:14 < Cracki> the point of thinner coil wire is that you can put more turns on the coil for the same weight/volume
2018-08-15T21:47:39 < bitmask> yea I guess its worth trying, I may try to add more turns just to get it a bit closer, I'll just have to check what power supplies I have
2018-08-15T21:48:15 < Cracki> consider: 12 volts on 30 ohms is 0.4 amps and 4.8 watts
2018-08-15T21:48:26 < Cracki> so maybe don't put 12 volts on it too long
2018-08-15T21:48:40 < Cracki> how many turns is that supposed to be anyway
2018-08-15T21:48:58 < bitmask> doesnt say, just says to fill up the spool that you print and it should read 50 Ohm
2018-08-15T21:49:08 < Cracki> hm
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2018-08-15T21:49:24 < bitmask> about 140 meters
2018-08-15T21:49:37 < Cracki> spool diameter?
2018-08-15T21:49:44 < bitmask> let me check
2018-08-15T21:49:49 < Cracki> eyeball
2018-08-15T21:50:03 < Cracki> 140 meters / (pi * radius) = turns
2018-08-15T21:50:09 < Cracki> *diameter
2018-08-15T21:50:15 < Ultrasauce> the documentation doesnt even have a schematic...
2018-08-15T21:50:30 < bitmask> its about 25mm long and maybe starts at 10-15mm diameter
2018-08-15T21:50:50 < Cracki> so I'd figure 3000 turns at most
2018-08-15T21:51:07 < Cracki> now break out your high school physics :)
2018-08-15T21:51:24 < Cracki> 3-4k turns*
2018-08-15T21:51:31 < bitmask> what are we trying to calculate right now? :/
2018-08-15T21:52:30 < Cracki> magnetic field strength or some shit liek that
2018-08-15T21:52:40 < bitmask> ahh
2018-08-15T21:52:41 < Cracki> I know there's A and B and who knows what else
2018-08-15T21:52:42 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/988c7f88eb/136320.jpg
2018-08-15T21:52:51 < Laurenceb> theres those two
2018-08-15T21:56:09 < Cracki> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductor#Inductance_formulas
2018-08-15T21:58:07 < Cracki> so the first row gives L = 35.5 mH
2018-08-15T21:58:21 < Cracki> (3k turns 10mm diameter 25mm coil length)
2018-08-15T21:59:09 < bitmask> how does this work since diameter changes so much as you wind it?
2018-08-15T21:59:20 < Cracki> for 15mm and 4k turns I get 142 mH
2018-08-15T21:59:27 < Cracki> eh, rough estimate
2018-08-15T22:00:03 < Cracki> you'd have to measure it... or do some funky integrals
2018-08-15T22:00:08 < bitmask> I need 1k more turns to add 20 ohm, let me just see how much will fit and try that out, I'll learn the maths when I have free time to play around
2018-08-15T22:00:42 < Thorn> are you winding a resistor
2018-08-15T22:00:51 < Cracki> you could try the "Multilayer air-core coil" formula, but I cba
2018-08-15T22:01:06 < Cracki> he's winding a L
2018-08-15T22:01:21 < Thorn> than why go by ogms
2018-08-15T22:01:29 < Thorn> ohms
2018-08-15T22:02:10 < kakimir> Laurenceb: you secretly would like to be a hippie?
2018-08-15T22:02:16 < Laurenceb> no
2018-08-15T22:02:17 < bitmask> probably just a quick way to make sure you did enough turns as resistance is easy to measure, and to make sure power supply is enough
2018-08-15T22:02:26 < Cracki> aye
2018-08-15T22:04:47 < Cracki> bitmask, when I try the multilayer formula for 3k turns and 10 inner 15mm outer diameter, I get ~35 mH
2018-08-15T22:05:27 < Cracki> 4k turns is 68 mH. some bundle of sticks gave that formula with lengths in INCHES
2018-08-15T22:06:46 < bitmask> so adding that extra 100m will double the strength basically?
2018-08-15T22:08:12 < bitmask> so you said earlier that 4.8W wasn't good for any length of time, what are you going by there?
2018-08-15T22:08:16 < Cracki> dunno, maybe
2018-08-15T22:08:24 < Cracki> 5 watts of heat
2018-08-15T22:08:30 < Cracki> I figure your plastic will melt soon enough :>
2018-08-15T22:08:53 < Cracki> consider a soldering iron of whatever wattage
2018-08-15T22:09:04 < bitmask> ahh I see
2018-08-15T22:09:15 < Cracki> let's say 50 watts. imagine how quickly it heats up. then x10 that time and you know when you can solder with your coil
2018-08-15T22:09:53 < Cracki> (thermal losses to air convection ignored)
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2018-08-15T22:12:44 < bitmask> how can you convert wattage to temp raise? what should I be aiming for
2018-08-15T22:14:01 < Cracki> don't bother :>
2018-08-15T22:14:10 < bitmask> heh ok
2018-08-15T22:14:20 < Cracki> it'll be good enough. the graphs I saw have irrelevant duty cycles on the coil
2018-08-15T22:15:00 < Cracki> besides, with thicker wire, you get the same current with *less* voltage, so I figure less heat loss through the wire itself
2018-08-15T22:15:29 < Cracki> of course, once you make that field do some work... not that levitating a magnet is much work
2018-08-15T22:17:22 < Steffanx> special song for Laurenceb  and kakimir https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmYi5u9BhtI
2018-08-15T22:17:40 < bitmask> man its nice having calipers now, they are useful
2018-08-15T22:20:46 < Steffanx> is it digital or analog?
2018-08-15T22:20:55 < bitmask> digi
2018-08-15T22:21:00 < bitmask> just a cheap $20 one
2018-08-15T22:21:39 < kakimir> bitmask: yeaas!
2018-08-15T22:22:10 < bitmask> I like the enthusiasm
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2018-08-15T22:25:47 < jadew> bitmask, which ones did you get?
2018-08-15T22:26:02 < jadew> I wanted to get new calipers too
2018-08-15T22:26:21 < jadew> mine has only 100 um resolution
2018-08-15T22:26:34 < bitmask> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HP78SU4/ref=twister_B01N4FAHAS?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
2018-08-15T22:27:02 < jadew> looks good
2018-08-15T22:27:13 < Steffanx> my cheap skate one has 10um, but .. cheap skate so no clue how accurate it actually is.
2018-08-15T22:27:33 < jadew> can't be cheaper than mine
2018-08-15T22:27:36 < jadew> mine is plastic
2018-08-15T22:27:42 < Steffanx> lol
2018-08-15T22:28:16 < Steffanx> <  £3.76  jadew ?
2018-08-15T22:28:22 < jadew> it's ok for a lot of things, but its reading depends on how hard you push on it
2018-08-15T22:28:37 < jadew> Steffanx, no, I think I paid about $10 when I got it
2018-08-15T22:28:39 < Steffanx> oh that one is 0.1mm
2018-08-15T22:28:40 < jadew> bought it locally
2018-08-15T22:30:14 < bitmask> I didn't realize the 8"/200mm were less accurate than the 6"/150mm  not by much but oh well
2018-08-15T22:30:31 < jadew> they're less accurate?
2018-08-15T22:30:47 < bitmask> I'm sure I wont notice a difference, but its like .003 vs .004 mm or something like that
2018-08-15T22:31:07 < bitmask> oh wait
2018-08-15T22:31:08 < jadew> probably because they spread between the same capacitance values?
2018-08-15T22:31:20 < Cracki> so you are encouraged to buy the more accurate one AND the longer one
2018-08-15T22:31:23 < bitmask> its .03mm for the 6 and 8, the 12 is .04mm
2018-08-15T22:31:30 < Cracki> I think these things work optically but not sure
2018-08-15T22:32:05 < Cracki> or perhaps magnetically
2018-08-15T22:32:38 < jadew> I know that the ones that know the absolute position even when you turn them on are capacitive
2018-08-15T22:32:46 < jadew> not sure about the cheap ones tho
2018-08-15T22:33:03 < jadew> they could be built on the same technology, but they just don't remember their 0
2018-08-15T22:33:07 < bitmask> anything is better than my old method... my gf had this 'bejeweled' pink pocket tape measure that broke so I just had the metal measuring part that usually retracts folded up and stuffed in a drawer
2018-08-15T22:35:00 < Cracki> capacitive... I wonder how that works...
2018-08-15T22:35:09 < kakimir> bitmask: mine is 300mm long
2018-08-15T22:35:28 < bitmask> I went with the 200
2018-08-15T22:36:57 < Steffanx> Didnt your gf tells you "longer is better" all the time?!
2018-08-15T22:37:26 < Steffanx> or is she more the "more is less" type
2018-08-15T22:37:41 < bitmask> psh, she complains that I make her too sore as it is :P
2018-08-15T22:37:59 < jadew> not enough foreplay?
2018-08-15T22:38:04 < bitmask> haha
2018-08-15T22:38:29 < bitmask> I actually think I like foreplay more than she does
2018-08-15T22:38:39 < Thorn> bitmask you're not supposed to use a caliper for that
2018-08-15T22:39:00 < bitmask> now you tell me
2018-08-15T22:40:28 < Cracki> she doesn't like foreplay with a caliper? odd
2018-08-15T22:42:02 < jadew> I like this type: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Syntek-0-150-mm-Metric-Gauge-Measuring-Tool-Dial-vernier-caliper-Shock-proof-Vernier-Caliper-0/32852386570.html
2018-08-15T22:42:07 < jadew> so classy...
2018-08-15T22:43:07 < Steffanx> hehe
2018-08-15T22:45:26 < jadew> bitmask, why did you pick that one?
2018-08-15T22:45:48 < jadew> was it a particular feature that made you buy it?
2018-08-15T22:46:45 < bitmask> hah umm nope, I just figured all these in the same price range are basically the same so I saw the two most popular on amazon were this one and the amazon choice one but this had fewer negative reviews.  
2018-08-15T22:47:23 < bitmask> but also fewer reviews in general, so the black/red color scheme tipped the balance ;)
2018-08-15T23:08:54 < jadew> apparently the fake mitutoyo ones are not bad at all
2018-08-15T23:09:03 < jadew> I'd like to know how they compare (mechanically)
2018-08-15T23:09:53 < jadew> I want to get a new caliper for quite some time - the reason I didn't get a new one is because I don't know if I should pay $20 or $100
2018-08-15T23:09:58 < jadew> and I want to pay $10
2018-08-15T23:10:08 < vampi-the-frog> yo I'm back from vacation
2018-08-15T23:10:14 < jadew> wb
2018-08-15T23:10:17 < jadew> where did you go?
2018-08-15T23:10:22 < vampi-the-frog> I was in Gothenburg
2018-08-15T23:10:29 < vampi-the-frog> I didn't get to see the burning cars though
2018-08-15T23:11:19 < jadew> you missed the protest in your own city?
2018-08-15T23:11:36 < vampi-the-frog> protest?
2018-08-15T23:11:44 < vampi-the-frog> oh those are gay
2018-08-15T23:12:02 < vampi-the-frog> protests are for idiots who aren't competent enough to get involved politically
2018-08-15T23:12:24 < vampi-the-frog> also I left right before a pride parade, thank god
2018-08-15T23:12:25 < Cracki> those weren't protests, that was organized rioting
2018-08-15T23:12:33 < vampi-the-frog> there were riots?
2018-08-15T23:12:41 < jadew> https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=o8Ga_1534107097
2018-08-15T23:12:46 < Cracki> a hundred burning cars, that's a riot
2018-08-15T23:13:28 < vampi-the-frog> sorry we're talking about two different things
2018-08-15T23:13:35 < vampi-the-frog> the hundred burning cars are scary
2018-08-15T23:13:45 < vampi-the-frog> I was walking the streets that night and it was full of brown and black people
2018-08-15T23:13:47 < jadew> where did that happen and why?
2018-08-15T23:13:48 < vampi-the-frog> I was kinda scared
2018-08-15T23:13:57 < vampi-the-frog> that was in Gothenburg, I think two days ago
2018-08-15T23:14:26 < zyp> you were there?
2018-08-15T23:14:34 < jadew> zyp, he set the fire
2018-08-15T23:14:48 < vampi-the-frog> yeah but I didn't see the cars
2018-08-15T23:14:57 < vampi-the-frog> I was busy getting wasted
2018-08-15T23:15:09 < vampi-the-frog> I got laid too ^_^
2018-08-15T23:15:15 < zyp> congrats
2018-08-15T23:15:47 < zyp> I might drive to sweden this weekend
2018-08-15T23:16:04 < kakimir> migrate
2018-08-15T23:16:13 < vampi-the-frog> if you're in Gothenburg, try the 2112 Famous Burger at the 2112 bar
2018-08-15T23:16:27 < vampi-the-frog> also try the rollercoasters, they're great
2018-08-15T23:16:33 < vampi-the-frog> and the MAX burgers too
2018-08-15T23:16:52 < zyp> wife's been a bit restless since we got back from vacation, so we're talking about going somewhere this weekend, but we don't wanna spend too much money doing it
2018-08-15T23:16:53 < jadew> how about getting laid, where should we go?
2018-08-15T23:17:10 < zyp> we have MAX in norway too
2018-08-15T23:17:10 < Steffanx> Try the room down stairs
2018-08-15T23:17:50 < vampi-the-frog> I dunno, it was a girl I knew from before
2018-08-15T23:17:57 < vampi-the-frog> I don't know what the good pickup venues are
2018-08-15T23:18:04 < vampi-the-frog> it's a small town, just try everywhere
2018-08-15T23:18:13 < jadew> vampi-the-frog, Romanian or sweedish?
2018-08-15T23:18:24 < vampi-the-frog> the girl? from US
2018-08-15T23:18:36 < jadew> nice
2018-08-15T23:18:45 < zyp> vampi-the-frog, I guess you left sweden already?
2018-08-15T23:18:50 < vampi-the-frog> she's into the same stupid shit as I am
2018-08-15T23:19:00 < vampi-the-frog> yeah zyp it was great fun, best day of my life
2018-08-15T23:19:11 < vampi-the-frog> well, best week
2018-08-15T23:19:16 < vampi-the-frog> but the last day was tops
2018-08-15T23:19:22 < jadew> cuz you got laid?
2018-08-15T23:19:37 < zyp> shame, could have had another ##stm32 meetup
2018-08-15T23:19:46 < vampi-the-frog> that and the rollercoasters and the intense guitar training and sauna and swimming
2018-08-15T23:19:53 < vampi-the-frog> that'll be hard to top
2018-08-15T23:19:56 < vampi-the-frog> zyp: I'd love that
2018-08-15T23:20:42 < vampi-the-frog> I have a list of countries to travel to, portugal, new york
2018-08-15T23:20:58 < zyp> I don't think new york is a country :p
2018-08-15T23:21:02 < vampi-the-frog> perhaps Madrid
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2018-08-15T23:21:19 < vampi-the-frog> I am thinking of just stringing them together and visiting them all in one swing
2018-08-15T23:21:19 < jadew> was she from NY?
2018-08-15T23:21:23 < vampi-the-frog> yea
2018-08-15T23:21:27 < vampi-the-frog> italian american
2018-08-15T23:21:29 < vampi-the-frog> sweet girl
2018-08-15T23:21:31 < zyp> meh
2018-08-15T23:21:39 < zyp> checkbox vacations are no fun
2018-08-15T23:21:49 < jadew> zyp, how do you do it?
2018-08-15T23:21:59 < zyp> jadew, do what?
2018-08-15T23:22:01 < vampi-the-frog> why not, I have friends in all those places
2018-08-15T23:22:15 < jadew> zyp, choosing where to go next
2018-08-15T23:22:24 < jadew> don't you have a list of places you want to visit?
2018-08-15T23:22:54 < zyp> that's not what I meant
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2018-08-15T23:24:10 < zyp> by checkbox vacation I mean those when you have a tight schedule with a bunch of shit all planned out just so you can go somewhere to check off that you've been there, without really having time to experience the place
2018-08-15T23:24:13 < vampi-the-frog> wow yeah you can just drive there 
2018-08-15T23:25:11 < jadew> so what exactly happened in sweeden? who was behind the fires and why did they do it?
2018-08-15T23:25:35 < vampi-the-frog> it is embarrasing
2018-08-15T23:25:43 < vampi-the-frog> the police knew who they were and all they did was tell their parents
2018-08-15T23:25:45 < vampi-the-frog> fucking fags
2018-08-15T23:25:56 < vampi-the-frog> at least that's what the news report
2018-08-15T23:26:01 < zyp> in my experience, it's a lot more fun to reduce the number of places you plan on visiting during a trip and spend more time each place
2018-08-15T23:26:22 < Steffanx> spend time recharging your car battery? :P
2018-08-15T23:26:43 < jadew> zyp, yeah, I agree with you on the vacation planning thing, I hate being on the run
2018-08-15T23:26:49 < vampi-the-frog> zyp: I am thinking rather about saving on flights, not shortening the durations of visits
2018-08-15T23:26:53 < zyp> not really thinking in terms of car trips, most of my vacation experience is from japan
2018-08-15T23:27:15 < vampi-the-frog> instead of making one round trip for every destination, make one trip only, plus the last trip back home
2018-08-15T23:27:34 < zyp> might be beneficial depending on the flights
2018-08-15T23:27:48 < zyp> sometimes round trip tickets are cheaper than one-way
2018-08-15T23:28:51 < zyp> I've literally bought round trip tickets for that reason with the intention of only using the first half, throwing the second half away
2018-08-15T23:29:45 < zyp> on plane tickets it happens because sometimes one-way tickets are not eligible for the cheapest booking classes
2018-08-15T23:29:56 < zyp> and I've also done it for boat tickets
2018-08-15T23:31:01 < zyp> one of the ferries running between norway and denmark have «cruise» offers, where the return needs to be within 24 hours of the departure
2018-08-15T23:32:06 < zyp> when I went to denmark for a couple of days last year, I bought two of those, instead of two individual tickets
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2018-08-15T23:36:02 < cpctr> Hi friends
2018-08-15T23:36:05 < zyp> anyway, regarding vacation scheduling
2018-08-15T23:36:11 < Steffanx> Welcome Kumpel.
2018-08-15T23:36:24 < zyp> I've been to japan a bunch of times, travelling with friends
2018-08-15T23:36:37 < Steffanx> Im planning a holiday in Melbourne Australia.
2018-08-15T23:37:02 < zyp> in japan, they have this «rail pass» thing, allowing free access to trains for a week (including the high speed trains)
2018-08-15T23:37:18 < zyp> so we usually get one of those to get out of tokyo for a week
2018-08-15T23:40:32 < zyp> on my second trip, the girl who took the responsibility for planning it wanted to visit a bunch of places, so we ended up in a new place every day without enough time to see much
2018-08-15T23:41:35 < zyp> we decided to not do that again, so next trip we planned to see half the number of places, and had a lot more fun overall
2018-08-15T23:42:03 < cpctr> Very good
2018-08-15T23:42:47 < zyp> but the most fun IMO was that time nobody bothered making a plan for the group
2018-08-15T23:43:00 < zyp> we still got the weekly passes, but had no coordinated plan
2018-08-15T23:43:52 < zyp> everybody wanted to go to Kobe for beef, so we all did that
2018-08-15T23:44:08 < zyp> and after that we split ways
2018-08-15T23:45:06 < zyp> some people went to a music festival, some people went to a game convention, one guy wanted to do a bicycle trip around some island or something, I had no particular plan
2018-08-15T23:46:03 < Laurenceb> https://youtu.be/Lct8ql2zoLo?t=353
2018-08-15T23:46:04 < zyp> so I jumped on a train, ended up south in japan, which was fucking hot
2018-08-15T23:46:07 < Laurenceb> define irony
2018-08-15T23:46:13 < zyp> like 35C and no clouds
2018-08-15T23:46:43 < zyp> so I rented a car mainly so I could sit inside with AC instead of walking outside
2018-08-15T23:47:08 < zyp> and then I drove over to dongs' place and met him
2018-08-15T23:48:51 < Laurenceb> no homo
2018-08-15T23:48:52 < zyp> didn't bother planning out where to stay either, each evening I just found some nearby hotel, never got told they had no rooms left
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2018-08-15T23:49:54 < zyp> Laurenceb, one day I'll come and meet you too
2018-08-15T23:49:59 < Laurenceb> uh oh
2018-08-15T23:50:24 < zyp> if you hadn't been living so far away, I would have done so when I went to London last year :p
2018-08-15T23:54:04 < Laurenceb> I live in the cool part of bongland
2018-08-15T23:54:10 < Laurenceb> no suvvenerz
2018-08-15T23:54:11 < cpctr> bong
2018-08-15T23:54:54 < Laurenceb> https://www.flickr.com/photos/norbet/37434007821
2018-08-15T23:55:21 < Laurenceb> bbl
2018-08-15T23:57:43 < Cracki> too many panels
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2018-08-16T00:23:14 < cpctr> i wonder what the picture is Cracki 
2018-08-16T00:25:52 < vampi-the-frog> interesting zyp 
2018-08-16T00:26:11 < vampi-the-frog> about the flight thing I mean
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2018-08-16T00:34:14 < vampi-the-frog> I can't even find a way to book one way flights
2018-08-16T00:38:01 < englishman> you click the one way flight button
2018-08-16T00:38:59 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/wUxleDB.png
2018-08-16T00:39:14 < vampi-the-frog> well yeah but what site is that?
2018-08-16T00:39:20 < vampi-the-frog> I found one anyway
2018-08-16T00:39:21 < englishman> google.com/flights
2018-08-16T00:39:24 < vampi-the-frog> oh ok
2018-08-16T00:43:51 < kakimir> where to watch full episodes of rick and morty?
2018-08-16T00:45:12 < Ultrasauce> freevideoplayer.exe
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2018-08-16T00:46:24 < Steffanx> So did jadew find the lost berkely courses?
2018-08-16T00:47:40 < Cracki> rick and morty? only smoothbrains watch that
2018-08-16T00:49:14 < cpctr> rick and morty is for niggers
2018-08-16T00:52:04 < kakimir> then recommend something else
2018-08-16T00:52:52 < cpctr> stm32 chats
2018-08-16T00:52:57 < cpctr> they're pretty good
2018-08-16T00:54:12 < cpctr> steffan in PM is really fun too
2018-08-16T00:54:42 < englishman> this stm32 lorawan lib is pretty neat
2018-08-16T00:55:07 < englishman> it appropriates some german mac layer
2018-08-16T00:55:21 < cpctr> i like what you're saying
2018-08-16T00:56:19 < tomeaton17> kakimir, I would download it
2018-08-16T00:56:26 < englishman> https://github.com/Lora-net/LoRaMac-node
2018-08-16T01:08:53 < upgrdman> kakimir, that Steam Speed video from a week ago was pretty neat. thanks for tweeting it.
2018-08-16T01:09:17 < Steffanx> https://twitter.com/kakimir
2018-08-16T01:09:47 < upgrdman> s/tweeting/ircproblogging
2018-08-16T01:09:58 < Steffanx> :P
2018-08-16T01:10:40 < upgrdman> i wonder if leeloo died. surprised she hasn't come back
2018-08-16T01:10:54 < cpctr> Same
2018-08-16T01:10:56 < upgrdman> same with flyback
2018-08-16T01:11:13 < cpctr> Old flyback
2018-08-16T01:11:16 < upgrdman> last i heard, flyback ass problems were epic
2018-08-16T01:11:20 < cpctr> Does he cook meth
2018-08-16T01:13:14 < Steffanx> Leeloo didnt die. She just gave up on us. Which surprises you?
2018-08-16T01:15:32 < cpctr> The size of her penis
2018-08-16T01:16:01 < Steffanx> Unfunny stvn
2018-08-16T01:17:49 < upgrdman> Steffanx, she seemed to thrive on the abuse though
2018-08-16T01:18:05 < upgrdman> maybe she reached her limit or someshit
2018-08-16T01:19:10 < Steffanx> Her limit was me banning her for like 3 seconds
2018-08-16T01:19:22 < upgrdman> orly, lol
2018-08-16T01:19:55 < cpctr> Yeah best stm32 moment in history
2018-08-16T01:20:26 < Steffanx> She has a cat like englishman (lildongs) so who knows is she englishman 
2018-08-16T01:20:49 < cpctr> The grey cat
2018-08-16T01:21:59 < cpctr> The funny bit was when leeloo told zyp not to do business with dongs cause he was mean to her
2018-08-16T01:27:00 < Steffanx> JADEW. wanted. Dead or alive
2018-08-16T01:27:16 < cpctr> :)
2018-08-16T01:29:46 < karlp> are there any cheap cpus/socs that _don't_ include HDMI and h264 shitz? 
2018-08-16T01:30:01 < karlp> like, I want the price point of htese allwinning chips, just don't need all the video.
2018-08-16T01:30:19 < Steffanx> Sama5 isnt high end enough i guess?
2018-08-16T01:31:16 < karlp> more wondering if there's anything else that's cheap like htat.
2018-08-16T01:31:18 < Cracki> cortex a without video IP? huh...
2018-08-16T01:31:35 < karlp> or just accept the video core and try and see if it can be pwoered off.
2018-08-16T01:31:53 < karlp> Cracki: using wisoc's at the moment, would kinda like to have a lot more cpu power, if I can have it cheap.
2018-08-16T01:32:04 < Cracki> is it about power or reel price?
2018-08-16T01:32:20 < Cracki> look into what cloud hosting does (scaleway etc)
2018-08-16T01:32:23 < karlp> just wondering if tehy even exist firstly,
2018-08-16T01:32:24 < karlp> what?
2018-08-16T01:32:32 < karlp> no-one's using arm for hosting, that's dumb.
2018-08-16T01:32:37 < karlp> helllllo
2018-08-16T01:32:42 < Cracki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2018-08-16T01:32:49 < karlp> were you trying to be serious?
2018-08-16T01:33:14 < karlp> I'm asking for allwinner h3 level of cpu perf as opposed to mips24k cpu perf
2018-08-16T01:33:41 < karlp> I'd _rahter_ not pay for video codec licensed cores that I won't use if i can, but they really don't seem to exist.
2018-08-16T01:34:20 < karlp> scale seems to say that I can get a STB soc and wifi chipset and just ignore the video components cheaper than I can get a cpu without video + wifi.
2018-08-16T01:34:29 < karlp> I was curious if anyone knew of anything i might be missing.
2018-08-16T01:36:06 < Cracki> I would tell you more about scaleway but nah, you don't wanna hear it anyway
2018-08-16T01:36:40 < Steffanx> Lol
2018-08-16T01:41:39 < karlp> I mean, of course people are using it, because people are asking for it, but is anyone using it because it's _performing better_ than x86 VPS?
2018-08-16T01:41:50 < karlp> no, they use an arm host if they want to test cross compiles or be niche,
2018-08-16T01:41:59 < Cracki> so you want to do embedded work with x86 now?
2018-08-16T01:41:59 < karlp> it also does ~nothing~ for what I was asking about.
2018-08-16T01:42:16 < karlp> no, but you were telling me to look at what ever big iron some arm hosting company was using.
2018-08-16T01:42:27 < Cracki> might not be that big
2018-08-16T01:42:28 < karlp> in what world would that be allwhiner cheap integrated 
2018-08-16T01:43:35 < Cracki> and if you want an alternative to a QUADcore cortex-a nobody buys without the gpu, perhaps you aren't looking for microcontrollers anymore
2018-08-16T01:44:07 < karlp> I very specifically wasn't looking for a microcontroller
2018-08-16T01:44:21 < karlp> i just though some people here might have some useful insights.
2018-08-16T01:44:21 < Cracki> but not for ARMs that are used for their performance either...
2018-08-16T01:44:37 < Cracki> ok ok, they're best performance per watt
2018-08-16T01:45:56 < karlp> mcu - old shitty WiSoC mips platform, 64MB ram - allwhiner/rockchip/amlogic STB style platform 512-1G ram - desktop/server/don't care
2018-08-16T01:46:12 < karlp> I'm curious about the third item there, if any exist that dont include video IP
2018-08-16T01:46:26 < karlp> I don't know of any.
2018-08-16T01:46:58 < karlp> h2+ has 4 usb ports.... and a 6bit adc!
2018-08-16T01:49:19 < Cracki> 64 LSB ought to be enough for anyone
2018-08-16T01:49:33 < jadew> kakimir, you can find it on netflix
2018-08-16T01:49:59 < jadew> Steffanx, didn't install that app
2018-08-16T01:51:18 < karlp> Cracki: scaleway use cavium thunderx https://www.asacomputers.com/Cavium-ThunderX-ARM.html
2018-08-16T01:51:33 < Cracki> I know.
2018-08-16T01:51:37 < karlp> not really the sort of thing that would replace a little old mips wisoc 
2018-08-16T01:52:09 < karlp> I still understand at what point you thought, "they must want to look at scaleway cpus"
2018-08-16T01:52:10 < Cracki> when you said allwinner h3, I googled that, and it said quadcore 1.3 ghz with ddr2/ddr3
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2018-08-16T01:53:06 < Cracki> so that's a class above raspberry pi and co
2018-08-16T01:53:45 < karlp> when did yo ulast look at what rpis offer?
2018-08-16T01:53:50 < karlp> when rpi1 cam eout?
2018-08-16T01:54:04 < Cracki> what's with the hostility
2018-08-16T01:54:19 < tomeaton17> Odroid xu4 is really nice, thats sort of 8 core
2018-08-16T01:54:35 < karlp> tomeaton17: yeah, they've all got video still.
2018-08-16T01:54:39 < karlp> Ive got a nice c2
2018-08-16T01:55:31 < Cracki> consider what kinds of devices need cpu performance, but not gpu performance
2018-08-16T01:55:36 < Cracki> not so many left
2018-08-16T01:55:42 < Cracki> medical and industrial devices.
2018-08-16T01:56:04 < Cracki> all the consumer market is full of graphics demands.
2018-08-16T01:57:04 < karlp> yes, I know it's not many, I was wondering if they existed at all.
2018-08-16T01:58:12 < karlp> it also means the make:r boards available often prioritize hdmi over ... useful things
2018-08-16T01:58:39 < karlp> msot of the h2/h3 boards I've seen keep hdmi, but use the onboard FE phy, instead of putting down a gigabit phy.
2018-08-16T01:59:19 < Cracki> pick a core you like, browse the SoCs wikipedia knows of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ARMv8-A_cores https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ARMv7-A_cores
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2018-08-16T02:00:29 < Cracki> all those without a gpu are also lower class in terms of clock and core count https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A7#Chips
2018-08-16T02:01:18 < karlp> I'm not fixed on arm, they could be anything for all I care, but yeah, that's a reasonable way of searching.  doesn't really answer the question of "does anyone know any?" though :)
2018-08-16T02:01:23 < Cracki> perhaps send a quick text to some sales people of your favorite vendors... or let a digikey sales drone dig through their catalog for you
2018-08-16T02:01:29 < karlp> I take it your answer is, "no" ?
2018-08-16T02:01:58 < Cracki> _my_ answer is no, that's right, I haven't had the need for something crunchy that must not have a gpu
2018-08-16T02:02:27 < karlp> good chat. 
2018-08-16T02:05:46 < tomeaton17> karlp, sorry I didn't properly read your conversation/
2018-08-16T02:06:31 < Rickta59> those pocketbeagles dispense with the hdmi karlp 
2018-08-16T02:06:42 < Rickta59> not sure what the price point it for just the chip
2018-08-16T02:07:11 < Rickta59> probably not h2+ range 
2018-08-16T02:07:16 < karlp> tomeaton17: no problem, yours was a reasonable suggestion :)
2018-08-16T02:07:47 < Rickta59> http://octavosystems.com/octavo_products/osd335x-sm/ karlp 
2018-08-16T02:08:07 < karlp> yeah, there's allwinner/rokcchips boards that don't have the hdmi port physically, I was more curious abotu chips/socs that just omit the video cores completely
2018-08-16T02:08:27 < karlp> the octavo stuff is interesting, but not cheap cheap no :)
2018-08-16T02:09:58 < Rickta59> what is the price of the h2+ ?
2018-08-16T02:11:45 < Rickta59> hmm aliexpress says ~5
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2018-08-16T02:29:05 < laurence__> muh gui
2018-08-16T02:29:21 < laurence__> gui now needs "real time configurable scrolling graph"
2018-08-16T02:29:25 < laurence__> the fun never ends
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2018-08-16T02:31:33 < Laurenceb__> almost as if its a makework project
2018-08-16T02:31:47 < Laurenceb__> insert broken windows fallacy here
2018-08-16T02:33:04 < Cracki> "real time configurable scrolling graph" you say? that's in my future too. got a little thingy that runs control loops and I plan to show the user various parameters in realtime, also tweak the control loops
2018-08-16T02:33:37 < Cracki> my last graphing fun was with matplotlib, which has a qt backend... but I know qt has its own huge graphing package
2018-08-16T02:33:38 < Laurenceb__> yeah but your might actually be useful
2018-08-16T02:33:54 < Cracki> mebbeh. impulse response and all that shit.
2018-08-16T02:33:55 < Laurenceb__> I've used qcustomplot before
2018-08-16T02:34:00 < Cracki> how custom anyway
2018-08-16T02:34:15 < Laurenceb__> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Display_gui
2018-08-16T02:34:32 < Cracki> pls rename to /muh_gui
2018-08-16T02:35:21 < Cracki> wtf qcustomplot.cpp 20kloc and still loading!
2018-08-16T02:35:34 < Cracki> does that thing contain resources or what
2018-08-16T02:35:54 < Cracki> oh my god burn it with fire
2018-08-16T02:36:24 < Cracki> there's *literally* an identifier called "kitchensink" in there!
2018-08-16T02:37:00 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-08-16T02:37:15 < Laurenceb__> I just copypastered the example and modified
2018-08-16T02:37:34 < Laurenceb__> couldnt find a nicer qt plot lib that actually worked for scrolling shit with ~0 cpu
2018-08-16T02:37:50 < Cracki> hm...
2018-08-16T02:38:05 < Laurenceb__> see graph.cpp and tabdialog.cpp
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2018-08-16T02:38:14 < Cracki> these days you'd set up the scene graph and let qt let the gpu render it all
2018-08-16T02:41:02 < Cracki> qcustomplot.com.... I remember that site, I even bookmarked it just in case... now that I've seen that code...
2018-08-16T02:43:58 < Cracki> every thing I've found on the net so far about qt and plotting uses qcustomplot...
2018-08-16T02:44:40 < karlp> lolrence, you should use upgrdman's telemetry viewer for your graphing...
2018-08-16T02:45:21 < upgrdman> Laurenceb__, screenshots of your gui?
2018-08-16T02:46:34 < Cracki> upgrdman, I think I heard about your telemetry viewer before. got anything to look at handy?
2018-08-16T02:46:40 < upgrdman> ya
2018-08-16T02:47:07 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hooo9Ro06Bs
2018-08-16T02:47:14 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hooo9Ro06Bs
2018-08-16T02:47:22 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r693Xb9t4dI
2018-08-16T02:48:12 < Cracki> I remember the heart! and the soldered brass frame!
2018-08-16T02:48:51 < upgrdman> :)
2018-08-16T02:48:55 < Laurenceb__> upgrdman: https://postimg.cc/gallery/1m2mtgkl4/
2018-08-16T02:48:57 < Cracki> oh not a heart, a monkey head
2018-08-16T02:49:14 < upgrdman> ya the monkey is just Suzanne from blender
2018-08-16T02:49:35 < upgrdman> Laurenceb__, cool
2018-08-16T02:49:36 < Cracki> is that a wearable heart monitor for horses?
2018-08-16T02:51:15 < karlp> heh, nice binary storage... https://github.com/orangepi-xunlong/OrangePiH5_toolchain
2018-08-16T02:53:44 < Laurenceb__> Cracki: yes
2018-08-16T02:53:53 < Laurenceb__> with ism band and bluetooth
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2018-08-16T02:58:10 < bitmask> nice, I took a break and watched a movie, then I just added more wire and got it up to 42.5 ohm, I should be able to work with that
2018-08-16T03:05:10 < Laurenceb__> Cracki: but ism doesnt actually work cuz stock sp1ml dev board firmware is shit
2018-08-16T03:05:18 < Laurenceb__> and no moneys to pay me to rewrite it
2018-08-16T03:07:13 < Laurenceb__> screenshot is with a sig gen
2018-08-16T03:11:26 < Cracki> ah, thought it was in-gui generated
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2018-08-16T03:17:37 < Laurenceb__> since the screenshots I added BPM estimator and bluetooth interface
2018-08-16T03:18:19 < Laurenceb__> but the idea of the project was multichannel ECG -> magic DSP -> motion artefact proof clinically useful ECG trace
2018-08-16T03:18:30 < Laurenceb__> the magic DSP part was kind of missing
2018-08-16T03:18:42 < Laurenceb__> insert underwear gnomes here
2018-08-16T03:18:57 < Cracki> yeah magic is hard
2018-08-16T03:19:23 < Cracki> tho...
2018-08-16T03:19:55 < Cracki> if you sampled at 1-2 khz, you could filter out signals to muscles
2018-08-16T03:20:14 < Cracki> the skeletal muscles themselves don't do any electromagnetism afaik
2018-08-16T03:20:44 < Cracki> so filter out the myo spikes, you should be left with clean heart signal
2018-08-16T03:21:25 < Cracki> at least that's the biggest problem with EEGs, the musculature attaching to the skull
2018-08-16T03:22:07 < karlp> is there anything you're not an expert on?
2018-08-16T03:27:19 < englishman> found another quality zyp install https://i.imgur.com/4SuNcUi.jpg
2018-08-16T03:35:40 < Cracki> http://openbci.com/community/openbci-crossing-swords-with-motor-imagery/
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2018-08-16T03:48:45 < karlp> is that threaded rod used as a conductor?
2018-08-16T03:49:00 < karlp> love the screw ties.
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2018-08-16T04:03:08 < karlp> bought an orangepi zero plus in the end to play with.
2018-08-16T04:03:25 < karlp> no BT, but that was a "stretch goal" for experiments
2018-08-16T04:06:41 < Laurenceb__> > so filter out the myo spikes, you should be left with clean heart signal
2018-08-16T04:06:45 < Laurenceb__> just like that
2018-08-16T04:06:53 < Laurenceb__> just filter out the noise
2018-08-16T04:07:56 < Cracki> :P
2018-08-16T04:08:30 < Cracki> clean except for all the other artefacts, but at least you don't see muscle activity
2018-08-16T04:09:27 < karlp> it's almost like someone else in the channel is doign patented work on that....
2018-08-16T04:10:12 < Cracki> my, are you salty today!
2018-08-16T04:11:23 < karlp> trying to catch up to you.
2018-08-16T04:12:19 < Cracki> you don't even know what it means
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2018-08-16T04:28:22 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/65mxg4euv/
2018-08-16T04:28:26 < Laurenceb__> breaking news
2018-08-16T04:29:19 < Cracki> Eisberg is not a russian name
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2018-08-16T05:28:41 < machinehum> hi
2018-08-16T05:29:26 < englishman> welcome
2018-08-16T05:36:08 < englishman> where is tectu
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2018-08-16T06:02:17 < dongs> I see cpctr has been busy https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1254625226/developing-the-worlds-most-powerul-car-engine-2000
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2018-08-16T06:52:51 < bitmask> $75 have your selfie go supersonic... what a waste of energy writing that pledge up
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2018-08-16T10:23:51 < Hamilton> What did RCC stand for?
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2018-08-16T10:25:32 < Steffanx> Dear Hamilton, did you open the datasheet and/or reference manual?
2018-08-16T10:26:15 < Hamilton> Steffanx, :) Whenever you say "Dear" I have the feeling of those kids whose mother call them by their family name
2018-08-16T10:26:49 < Steffanx> Perhaps, i tried to keep it friendly
2018-08-16T10:27:10 < Hamilton> And yeah. lots of abbreviations...Reset and Control Clock it seems
2018-08-16T10:27:28 < Steffanx> Because it was a kinda stupid question :p
2018-08-16T10:27:44 < Hamilton> OK :)
2018-08-16T10:28:20 < Steffanx> Stupid as in easy to look up
2018-08-16T10:31:34 < Hamilton> I also have a feeling/nightmare that all these abbreviations I'm learning like RCC/APB/ETR/MCO... would be obsolete when CPU tech would become so advanced that people would write python and import whatever  they need and look back at history and mock those "nerds who were waist deep in those C-era embedded dev"
2018-08-16T10:45:41 < Hamilton> Haohmaru, Why?
2018-08-16T10:46:36 < Hamilton> By the way, in STM32F103 there is no external clock mode 2 option in slave mode of any timer
2018-08-16T10:46:41 < Hamilton> Why is that?
2018-08-16T10:50:49 < Hamilton> :(
2018-08-16T10:54:12 < Hamilton> Seriously, Am I the only one who feels nausa seeing this in the datasheeet? https://pasteboard.co/HzphMt1.png
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2018-08-16T11:07:26 < cpctr> Hi friends
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2018-08-16T11:14:30 < Hamilton> cpctr, Hello friend
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2018-08-16T11:25:57 < Steffanx> Welcome 
2018-08-16T11:33:21 < cpctr> greeting kumpel
2018-08-16T11:33:33 < cpctr> how goes it?
2018-08-16T11:34:40 < kakimir> it goes
2018-08-16T11:34:55 < cpctr> greetings farmer joe
2018-08-16T11:36:37 < cpctr> the old spectres
2018-08-16T11:37:12 < cpctr> i'm using an overclocked 486 mate
2018-08-16T11:37:26 < cpctr> 4GHz
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2018-08-16T11:38:44 < cpctr> yeah man it runs like a pentium 166
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2018-08-16T14:18:48 < englishman> karlp: you replaced your mi a1 screen? what's the difference between the "with frame" and "without frame" options? does "without" require glue etc?
2018-08-16T14:19:16 < englishman> i have a broken a1 with a really funky problem, when you start it up the first time everything works, but when you put it to sleep and wake it up again, the digitizer doesnst work
2018-08-16T14:21:04 < karlp> yeah, without requires glue as I understand it.
2018-08-16T14:21:47 < karlp> only tricky bit I had was that I didn't remove one section before I started pulling on the battery sticky tabs.
2018-08-16T14:21:57 < karlp> everything else was just peachy
2018-08-16T14:23:14 < englishman> cool
2018-08-16T14:23:29 < englishman> will see if replacing the screen works, if not, then i have a replacement screen for my current a1.
2018-08-16T14:24:01 < karlp> came in a nice padded case in a foam box, with all the right toolst oo, super handy
2018-08-16T14:25:24 < Laurenceb> sup trollz
2018-08-16T14:26:30 < Laurenceb> dat car
2018-08-16T14:26:43 < Laurenceb> uk already has a meme supersonic car project
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2018-08-16T14:28:35 < kakimir> supersonic car
2018-08-16T14:28:45 < kakimir> road legal not
2018-08-16T14:28:53 < Laurenceb> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/aug/15/parents-fixated-by-phones-linked-to-child-drownings-in-germany
2018-08-16T14:28:59 < Laurenceb> kek'd
2018-08-16T14:29:08 < kakimir> supersonic road vehicle would be ebin
2018-08-16T14:29:14 < kakimir> iconic
2018-08-16T14:29:25 < Laurenceb> http://www.bloodhoundssc.com/
2018-08-16T14:29:43 < kakimir> it has steel wheels
2018-08-16T14:29:51 < kakimir> or was it aluminum
2018-08-16T14:29:57 < kakimir> 0 rubber
2018-08-16T14:29:58 < Laurenceb> aluminium
2018-08-16T14:31:45 < Laurenceb> inb4 hyperloop
2018-08-16T14:36:57 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/988c7f88eb/136556.png
2018-08-16T14:43:57 < Laurenceb> wtf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QYE6nDHjs0
2018-08-16T14:44:35 < dongs> zyp: what was that retarded SOT223 vreg you used that had unusual pinout
2018-08-16T14:44:42 < dongs> on LPC evalboard
2018-08-16T14:44:54 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kppx4bzfAaE
2018-08-16T14:45:05 < zyp> some microchip shit
2018-08-16T14:45:17 < dongs> yes, i am seeing that. anything particular?
2018-08-16T14:46:24 < dongs> oh, i found one MCP1754
2018-08-16T14:47:06 < dongs> it seems they're the only ones making that abortion of a regulartor
2018-08-16T14:47:20 < dongs> with reversed in/.out pins
2018-08-16T14:48:05 < dongs> haha found some kikecad forum bitching about that particular part
2018-08-16T14:48:07 < dongs> being reversed
2018-08-16T14:48:51 < dongs> Exactly who at KiCad do you expect to provide this database to you for FREE?
2018-08-16T14:49:43 < dongs> I’m fairly new to KiCad, coming from Eagle, and I’m not sure I understand the process of connecting symbols and footprints. In Eagle, the process is very simple, straightforward, and, for the most part, not very error prone. 
2018-08-16T14:49:47 < dongs> haha
2018-08-16T14:49:58 < dongs> i think it took me liek a day of raging in here to figure out how to do taht shit in eangle
2018-08-16T14:52:50 < kakimir> hey
2018-08-16T14:52:59 < kakimir> dongs not rip
2018-08-16T14:53:37 < kakimir> dongs: are you using kicad?
2018-08-16T14:53:39 < zyp> dongs, the shit I used was MCP1825S
2018-08-16T14:53:45 < zyp> according to old irc logs
2018-08-16T14:54:08 < zyp> 11:45:44 < dongs> which means you fucked up
2018-08-16T14:54:12 < zyp> :D
2018-08-16T14:54:40 < dongs> lol
2018-08-16T15:12:15 < mawk> when charging a 1.2V Ni-MH accumulator you clamp it to 12V and wait right ?
2018-08-16T15:12:40 < zyp> wait until it catches fire?
2018-08-16T15:12:44 < mawk> lol
2018-08-16T15:12:49 < mawk> yeah it's pretty hot right now
2018-08-16T15:14:33 < mawk> it's what the Varta accumulator charger is doing, so I asked to be sure if it's broken or something
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2018-08-16T15:15:33 < Cracki> is there a typo in your question
2018-08-16T15:15:38 < mawk> no
2018-08-16T15:15:52 < Cracki> what do you think is gonna happen when you put 12V to a 1.2V cell
2018-08-16T15:16:06 < Cracki> at least limit the current too
2018-08-16T15:16:28 < Cracki> the cell will die anyway but you don't have to
2018-08-16T15:16:46 < zyp> haha
2018-08-16T15:17:07 < dongs> i once tried to charge some lipos as 12V lead-acid mode
2018-08-16T15:17:17 < Cracki> I would question the assertion that "the varta charger does this"
2018-08-16T15:17:20 < dongs> i now have burn marks and fire extinguisher powder all over my server room
2018-08-16T15:17:53 < zyp> https://lygte-info.dk/pic/batteryChargingNiMH/chargers/Eneloop%20AA%20BK-3MCC%201900mAh%20(White)-Charge.png
2018-08-16T15:18:24 < zyp> looks to me ni-mh charging consists of feeding it constant current until voltage starts dropping off again and then terminating
2018-08-16T15:19:10 < Cracki> that's the strategy "minus delta u/v"
2018-08-16T15:20:13 < mawk> the whole story is that I've been trying to charge two Ni-MH accumulators on this varta thing for two days and the "charged" light isn't lighting up
2018-08-16T15:20:21 < Cracki> ah
2018-08-16T15:20:32 < Cracki> so manual resuscitation?
2018-08-16T15:21:08 < mawk> no, just probing the varta thing
2018-08-16T15:21:12 < Cracki> ah
2018-08-16T15:21:18 < mawk> which might be the problem, not the accumulators
2018-08-16T15:21:27 < mawk> it does the same thing with other accumulators too
2018-08-16T15:22:08 < dongs> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/184324186284621824/479622782783848449/176febe.jpg looks legit
2018-08-16T15:22:10 < Cracki> voltage probe will show "idle" voltage
2018-08-16T15:22:21 < Cracki> you have to have some load so it can actually have a current to limit
2018-08-16T15:22:30 < Cracki> then you'll see the voltage a cell would be charged with
2018-08-16T15:22:40 < mawk> I let on accumulator in it, and probed the other accumulator charger
2018-08-16T15:22:44 < mawk> they are paired
2018-08-16T15:22:49 < mawk> one*
2018-08-16T15:22:52 < dongs> the fuck is accumulator
2018-08-16T15:22:54 < dongs> are you german or something
2018-08-16T15:22:55 < mawk> battery
2018-08-16T15:22:56 < mawk> lol
2018-08-16T15:23:09 < dongs> i've only heard germans call batteries "accu"
2018-08-16T15:23:14 < Cracki> french
2018-08-16T15:23:29 < Cracki> germans would never use such long words without reason
2018-08-16T15:23:42 < dongs> i thoguth germans had some retardedly long words already
2018-08-16T15:23:49 < Cracki> Dampfschifffahrtsgesellschaft
2018-08-16T15:23:58 < Cracki> you have no idea how much info is packed in there
2018-08-16T15:24:20 < zyp> too many f-s in that word
2018-08-16T15:24:21 < Cracki> anyway, chargers can be really dumb, that's for sure
2018-08-16T15:24:36 < dongs> fahrt
2018-08-16T15:24:44 < mawk> which means to ride
2018-08-16T15:24:47 < mawk> fahren
2018-08-16T15:25:41 < zyp> steam ship something something
2018-08-16T15:26:18 < mawk> steamboat transport company
2018-08-16T15:26:25 < mawk> plus some bits maybe
2018-08-16T15:26:43 < Cracki> steam boating company
2018-08-16T15:27:16 < zyp> in norwegian, that would be dampskipsselskap
2018-08-16T15:28:07 < Cracki> schifffahrt, ship faring. geselle journeyman, gesellig sociable, gesellschaft company.
2018-08-16T15:28:53 < Cracki> in germany journeymen do journey, but they're company to the master.
2018-08-16T15:28:54 < karlp> hrm, we use gufu, not damp.
2018-08-16T15:29:11 < mawk> gufu looks like an offensive abbreviation
2018-08-16T15:31:08 < zyp> Cracki, in german you don't have any rules on repeated consonants?
2018-08-16T15:32:04 < zyp> in norwegian, if a word ending in a double consonant is joined to another starting with the same consonant, you drop one of them to avoid three in a row
2018-08-16T15:32:20 < Cracki> I think the rule against fff was abolished around 20 years ago. most people figured there's no point.
2018-08-16T15:33:03 < Cracki> at the same time, we agreed to distinguish ss (spoken "quickly") from ß (spoken slowly)
2018-08-16T15:33:24 < Cracki> example: gas, wasser, scheiße
2018-08-16T15:33:35 < zyp> oh
2018-08-16T15:33:42 < markus-k> Rööööhrich
2018-08-16T15:33:44 < Cracki> I think wasser was always written ss tho
2018-08-16T15:33:47 < Cracki> aye
2018-08-16T15:34:00 < zyp> I've been substituting ss anytime I type a word with that other letter since I don't have that on my keyboard
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2018-08-16T15:34:18 < dongs> aßhole
2018-08-16T15:34:20 < Cracki> that's common. I do that with umlauts too when I cba to switch layout
2018-08-16T15:34:52 < dongs> btw i now have unicode in chats
2018-08-16T15:34:56 < dongs> upgrade has happened
2018-08-16T15:35:07 < zyp> congrats
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2018-08-16T15:35:43 < Cracki> w̭͓̙͎͙̜̭e̢͖̤̜l͎̤̯̘̙̫co͏m͍̪̖̰̙̻é̼̱̣ t̶̘̜o͇̲̙ ́t̗͎̖ͅh͎̳ͅe̼͢ ̰̖s͘ų̭͓̥͍͎̰f̲̯̖͞f̸̘̠̺͍͓̫̹eṛ̠̣̥̥͕͝i̸̝̣̘̟͙ng̦̻
2018-08-16T15:36:04 < karlp> no-one's invoked regexs for html parsing yet, no need for that much unicode...
2018-08-16T15:50:17 < Laurenceb>  > example: gas
2018-08-16T15:50:24 < Laurenceb> typical GERMan activities
2018-08-16T15:54:27 < Cracki> just for delousing, I swear!
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2018-08-16T16:12:33 < mawk> lol
2018-08-16T16:38:59 < jadew> didn't think it was possible, but for extra-communitary shipments, UPS is worse than DHL
2018-08-16T16:39:23 < jadew> they've _dealyed_ the customs proceedings by 2 weeks by simply not calling me
2018-08-16T16:39:35 < jadew> even tho I called them repeatedly over many days
2018-08-16T16:39:47 < jadew> (so plenty of complaints to customer service)
2018-08-16T16:40:00 < jadew> and over 50 calls to the customs department where nobody answers
2018-08-16T16:40:15 < jadew> today I got an email saying that I have to give them all the documents by today
2018-08-16T16:40:19 < jadew> else they'll send it back
2018-08-16T16:41:35 < jadew> and the guy who contacted me keeps insisting on giving him a fucking translation for an IC P/N
2018-08-16T16:42:08 < jadew> and he needs my signed declaration that the invoice is correct, when I didn't pay anything for it, since they're samples
2018-08-16T16:44:04 < jadew> they just said they'll send my shipment back cuz I refused to send them the documents.
2018-08-16T16:44:08 < jadew> fucking shit....
2018-08-16T16:48:23 < Laurenceb> muh blinkenlights
2018-08-16T16:48:46 < Laurenceb> apparently muh sensors need synchronised flashing leds
2018-08-16T16:48:52 < Laurenceb> dis gunna b fun
2018-08-16T16:51:46 < Laurenceb> maybes sync to usb frame number?
2018-08-16T16:55:14 < Laurenceb> (frame_number%1000>500)?set_led():clear_led();
2018-08-16T16:55:23 < Laurenceb> dat was easy
2018-08-16T17:01:43 < kakimir> hmm
2018-08-16T17:09:51 < Laurenceb> pwnd https://www.fastcompany.com/90219187/qanons-codes-are-probably-just-random-typing-says-researcher
2018-08-16T17:10:52 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkhbxjPVAAACTYT?format=jpg&name=small
2018-08-16T17:10:55 < Laurenceb> annihilated
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2018-08-16T17:13:09 < kakimir> nothing is random
2018-08-16T17:13:23 < kakimir> I meant to say all is
2018-08-16T17:14:09 < kakimir> 1hour work left
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2018-08-16T17:20:08 < kakimir> I'm stalling
2018-08-16T17:20:39 < kakimir> building prototypes is very consuming
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2018-08-16T17:27:20 < Steffanx> Haohtto, lol.
2018-08-16T17:32:28 < jadew> ok, I changed my mind on DHL
2018-08-16T17:33:05 < jadew> currently, the way I see these couriers: FedEx > DHL > Regular Post > UPS
2018-08-16T17:35:14 < jadew> maybe it's just the customs department
2018-08-16T17:35:45 < jadew> I simply couldn't get through to them during the past 2 weeks when my package was held for customs proceedings
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2018-08-16T17:37:39 < Steffanx> Fedex/ups/local post > dhl
2018-08-16T17:38:23 < jadew> don't know, the customs department for the local post is great when dealing with them as a company
2018-08-16T17:38:30 < jadew> not so much as a private citizen tho
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2018-08-16T17:41:58 < Laurenceb> https://i.redditmedia.com/7twP4T1B0lu8cI6LyYpQU8x6fLLNJKnD50VEAAaJ2ZQ.jpg?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=640&s=0b7c8f45080715b78d0d8aebe1103f10
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2018-08-16T17:44:51 < englishman> ups
2018-08-16T17:44:52 < englishman> no
2018-08-16T17:44:55 < englishman> if it's brown flush it down
2018-08-16T17:45:43 < jadew> the shipping is actually fast
2018-08-16T17:45:52 < jadew> it's just that they suck at other things
2018-08-16T17:46:04 < jadew> at least DHL calls you even before the package gets into the country
2018-08-16T17:46:14 < jadew> FedEx doesn't even call you if they don't have to
2018-08-16T17:46:22 < jadew> you just get your shit
2018-08-16T17:47:00 < BrainDamage> ups instead here fakes delivery and pins the complain on you
2018-08-16T17:47:46 < jadew> what tipped me into pure rage was their notification email
2018-08-16T17:48:08 < jadew> where they said I have to send the info by <today's date> or else they'll send the package back
2018-08-16T17:48:40 < jadew> and that they'll charge me 2.5 eur/day after the 3rd day since the package was in the country
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2018-08-16T17:55:56 < karlp> vodafone here billed my wife a pile of money for going over data on a 4g hotspot she has, 
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2018-08-16T17:56:12 < karlp> the case file for her said, "tried to call customer, but didn't have their phone number"
2018-08-16T17:56:17 < karlp> they're her phone company too....
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2018-08-16T17:56:34 < karlp> (she got reimbursed and her plan bumped)
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2018-08-16T18:18:36 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1029838007841435649
2018-08-16T18:18:42 < Laurenceb> kek @ the troll Musks
2018-08-16T18:18:45 < Laurenceb> my orbital sides
2018-08-16T18:28:36 < invzim> zyp: about?
2018-08-16T18:28:37 < Cracki> don't see any musk there except the real one
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2018-08-16T19:48:20 < Laurenceb> >when ur on google and google redirects you to stopitnow.org
2018-08-16T19:52:56 < Laurenceb> I was searching for memes honest, do I have to take a seat over there?
2018-08-16T19:53:38 < Cracki> just say you're in a grooming gang, they won't touch you then
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2018-08-16T20:02:51 < zyp> invzim, sup?
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2018-08-16T20:10:41 < BrainDamage> if anyone cares, https://ec.europa.eu/eusurvey/runner/2018-summertime-arrangements
2018-08-16T20:12:24 < englishman> summertime shall be banned
2018-08-16T20:28:25 < Steffanx> Hah whats your vote BrainDamage 
2018-08-16T20:28:48 < Steffanx> mawk: wanted to keep it. The bastard
2018-08-16T20:34:40 < BrainDamage> I live at the right latitude where it's extremely effective wrt daylight, it's kind of annoying, but a minor one. I am indifferent
2018-08-16T20:36:44 < BrainDamage> I'd rather abolish time zones entirely at that point and just refer the opening hours to an absolute clock
2018-08-16T20:37:05  * karlp is allll on board that
2018-08-16T20:37:12 < karlp> been tryign to say that to people for years.
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2018-08-16T20:37:37 < Cracki> no trouble when you live in gmt+0
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2018-08-16T20:37:44 < Cracki> or +-12
2018-08-16T20:38:13 < karlp> move the 0 point to +5.5 for all I care, so everyone gets an inconvenient single shift.
2018-08-16T20:38:44 < karlp> think of how many decades of sw eng has been lost to timezone (mis) handling
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2018-08-16T20:52:03 < jpa-> just to piss off developers, i'll vote to make daylight saving time changes occur every month, by varying amount of minutes
2018-08-16T20:53:48 < Steffanx> Hah. Im with stupid.
2018-08-16T20:59:54 < kakimir> bosses are pumped
2018-08-16T21:00:53 < kakimir> they have been like nah whole the time and when I start laying stuff out to nice hammond enclosure for field testing they get excited
2018-08-16T21:01:07 < kakimir> well - me too
2018-08-16T21:01:45 < Cracki> they get excited by pretty boxes?
2018-08-16T21:02:26 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-16T21:02:31 < kakimir> and that shit is getting real
2018-08-16T21:04:23 < kakimir> I mean working on the code during last few months it has looked like nothing happen
2018-08-16T21:04:53 < kakimir> only I know that the code is the shit
2018-08-16T21:04:58 < kakimir> and very exciting
2018-08-16T21:06:11 < englishman> swatch time was a great idea
2018-08-16T21:06:34 < Cracki> maybe for people who live in space
2018-08-16T21:07:04 < englishman> Swatch Internet Time: @796.50
2018-08-16T21:07:46 < englishman> almost time for lunch @800
2018-08-16T21:16:51 < jadew> swatch time is stupid because it's 1000 parts
2018-08-16T21:17:04 < jadew> powers of 10 are stupid
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2018-08-16T21:18:50 < BrainDamage> there's binary clocks for the likes of you
2018-08-16T21:18:55 < jadew> that eu pool thing doesn't load for me
2018-08-16T21:19:13 < jadew> BrainDamage, nah, I like 24-hour days
2018-08-16T21:19:22 < jadew> and 60 minutes hours
2018-08-16T21:20:09 < englishman> eu 👢 romania
2018-08-16T21:20:17 < jadew> haha
2018-08-16T21:20:45 < jadew> I wouldn't mind it
2018-08-16T21:21:04 < BrainDamage> bleh, lunix datetime util doesn't handle swatch time
2018-08-16T21:21:09 < BrainDamage> what world do we live in
2018-08-16T21:21:16 < englishman> well, swatch time is only 20 years old
2018-08-16T21:21:30 < englishman> how can lunix be expected to support EVERY time protocol
2018-08-16T21:22:53 < BrainDamage> I'm tempted to send a patch
2018-08-16T21:23:15 < BrainDamage> even just to see the befuddled reaction
2018-08-16T21:23:29 < englishman> swatch time is the logical solution
2018-08-16T21:23:53 < jadew> 1080 would have been a better number for swatch time
2018-08-16T21:24:19 < BrainDamage> the moment you add a 4th digit, you're no better than current system
2018-08-16T21:24:30 < jadew> 360 then
2018-08-16T21:24:50 < Steffanx> vääntöjousi
2018-08-16T21:25:08 < jadew> or even better, tau :P
2018-08-16T21:25:13 < BrainDamage> now I'm thinking of getting you kidnapped and undergo backalley surgery to add 50 more fingers
2018-08-16T21:25:22 < englishman> that can be arranged
2018-08-16T21:25:30 < jadew> BrainDamage, heh
2018-08-16T21:26:47 < englishman> the swatch android app doesnt even have swatch time
2018-08-16T21:27:00 < englishman> im leaving a negative review
2018-08-16T21:27:36 < jadew> besides how you can divide time, there's another advantage to the way time is laid out now
2018-08-16T21:27:54 < jadew> it forces people to think in a different base
2018-08-16T21:28:08 < jadew> that's got to make them less stupid somehow
2018-08-16T21:28:35 < BrainDamage> if that were true, you'd espect less failures from unit conversion in american engineering
2018-08-16T21:28:42 < BrainDamage> but the reality is the opposite
2018-08-16T21:29:21 < BrainDamage> having non-uniform scales only confuses people
2018-08-16T21:29:29 < englishman> hmm, the french had a 1000-minute decimal time from 1793 to 1805
2018-08-16T21:29:32 < englishman> and also a 10 day week
2018-08-16T21:29:46 < jadew> englishman, and only had the sunday off?
2018-08-16T21:31:21 < Cracki> there's nothing astronomical about seven days
2018-08-16T21:31:46 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Earth_Time
2018-08-16T21:31:54 < englishman> awful
2018-08-16T21:31:58 < Cracki> planetary mechanics aren't nice fractions, no matter how you look at it
2018-08-16T21:32:00 < englishman> degrees should be banned
2018-08-16T21:32:13 < englishman> mrad or death
2018-08-16T21:32:15 < Cracki> dat clock face
2018-08-16T21:32:30 < Cracki> 24 hours on a clock face ok... but not in roman numerals!
2018-08-16T21:32:33 < jadew> Cracki, sure there is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_creation_narrative#Six_days_of_Creation:_Genesis_1:3%E2%80%932:3
2018-08-16T21:32:56 < Cracki> that's fiction, not astronomy
2018-08-16T21:33:09 < jadew> tell that to the people who came up with it
2018-08-16T21:33:19 < Cracki> oh they know already
2018-08-16T21:33:27 < jadew> that was astronomy to them
2018-08-16T21:33:35 < Cracki> no, stone henges are astronomy
2018-08-16T21:33:51 < Cracki> the sun is a god because it rules over your crops
2018-08-16T21:34:22 < jadew> englishman, degrees are used for the same reason the hour has 60 minutes
2018-08-16T21:34:35 < jadew> it divides nicely
2018-08-16T21:35:03 < Cracki> thirds and quarters, sure
2018-08-16T21:35:08 < Cracki> fives too
2018-08-16T21:35:26 < Cracki> you don't get thirds in 10 or 100 or 1000 of something
2018-08-16T21:35:38 < BrainDamage> I actually use a 24h analog clock on my phone
2018-08-16T21:35:45 < Cracki> I think seven is too weird to be needed in any fraction, eh?
2018-08-16T21:35:46 < BrainDamage> with overlaid daylight pie
2018-08-16T21:36:08 < jadew> sounds fancy
2018-08-16T21:36:14 < Cracki> sounds sensible
2018-08-16T21:36:23 < Cracki> except for dst, where the clock face is turned an hour to the left
2018-08-16T21:40:36 < invzim> zyp: figured it out I think, sent 4 boxes with the Bring service stuff
2018-08-16T21:40:42 < invzim> pretty painless
2018-08-16T21:43:07 < invzim> do you always put the actual sales value on the cn22?
2018-08-16T21:46:47 < zyp> yeah, store system autogenerates those
2018-08-16T21:47:20 < zyp> not bothering listing items though, just declaring everything as «hobby electronics»
2018-08-16T21:52:07 < invzim> allright, prob best to play by the book and not mark things down
2018-08-16T21:53:11 < invzim> FedEx was pretty smooth, hopefully the invoice will reflect their 'tenative' pricing
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2018-08-16T22:14:34 < cpctr> hi friends
2018-08-16T22:15:33 < englishman> BrainDamage: got a link?
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2018-08-16T22:58:44 < catphish> can the stm32 monitor its own supply voltage? (either internally, or by connecting VCC to another ADC pin)?
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2018-08-16T22:59:30 < cpctr> Not until the trouble starts
2018-08-16T23:02:09 < catphish> seems like i'd need to divide it
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2018-08-16T23:06:14 < Cracki> catphish, which stm32?
2018-08-16T23:06:42 < catphish> this is STM32L031K4
2018-08-16T23:07:02 < catphish> people talk about using vcc as a reference to measure Vref
2018-08-16T23:07:38 < Cracki> i see an internal voltage reference (bandgap) for the temperature sensor
2018-08-16T23:07:43 < Cracki> that's nonsense
2018-08-16T23:08:15 < Cracki> using supply as reference to measure supply... circular.
2018-08-16T23:08:55 < Cracki> you might need a voltage divider to get within the range of your chosen reference (6.3.3)
2018-08-16T23:09:16 < catphish> sorry, i meant use vcc as a reference to measure Vrefint (the bandgap)
2018-08-16T23:09:26 < Cracki> ah, that's interesting!
2018-08-16T23:10:06 < Cracki> 3.12.1
2018-08-16T23:10:12 < Cracki> seems they describe just what you want
2018-08-16T23:10:26 < catphish> that is literally on my screen
2018-08-16T23:10:35 < Cracki> :)
2018-08-16T23:10:38 < catphish> but i think i didn't fully absorb it, i'll try again
2018-08-16T23:10:56 < Cracki> seems you want to sample adc_in17
2018-08-16T23:11:19 < Cracki> that'll be vrefint / supply voltage
2018-08-16T23:11:34 < catphish> to clarify, can one use any channel as the reference voltage? including vdda?
2018-08-16T23:11:52 < catphish> so i'd set vdda as the reference, then measure adc_in17
2018-08-16T23:16:42 < Cracki> >VREF+ is the input reference voltage. It is only available as an external pin on a few packages, otherwise it is bonded to VDDA.
2018-08-16T23:16:59 < Cracki> (TFBGA64)
2018-08-16T23:17:31 < Cracki> 1.65 V ≤ VREF+ < VDDA
2018-08-16T23:18:07 < Cracki> I'm assuming "1.65 V" is volts and the other Vs are variables ;)
2018-08-16T23:18:42 < Cracki> I've also seen something on calibration
2018-08-16T23:19:44 < Cracki> (which probably does what you want, but for adc accuracy purposes, not for supply monitoring, which should be a stable 3.3V anyway)
2018-08-16T23:19:50 < englishman> catphish: idk about that chip specifically, usually there is a bandgap reference you can use as Vref, then divide your input voltage to a suitable range and monitor it like that.
2018-08-16T23:20:00 < Cracki> ^
2018-08-16T23:20:27 < catphish> so vref+ is likely tied to VDDA, which is what i want to measure
2018-08-16T23:21:07 < Cracki> that's what my boss does on his PLC-compatible boards, 24V supply, ~1:10 divider.
2018-08-16T23:21:25 < Cracki> so you measure the bandgap ref in relation to vdda
2018-08-16T23:21:36 < catphish> i'm really hoping to avoid a simple divider, because it's a waste of power
2018-08-16T23:21:41 < Cracki> and since you know the bandgap voltage (even factory calibrated), you can figure vdda
2018-08-16T23:21:56 < catphish> but... if i can use vref+ as the reference voltage, and measure vrefint, that'll work nicely
2018-08-16T23:22:01 < Cracki> do you want to monitor vdda (3.3v) or something on the order of 3.6-48 volt?
2018-08-16T23:22:12 < englishman> L031K4 sounds pretty low end, it might not have that vref source mux
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2018-08-16T23:22:38 < catphish> i want to monitor vdda, i'm hoping to power directly from 1 or 2 button cells
2018-08-16T23:22:42 < Cracki> I don't see any mention of a mux in the L0 ref manual
2018-08-16T23:22:44 < englishman> looks like it does not
2018-08-16T23:22:46 < BrainDamage> you can avoid static power consumption by adding a tiny nmos in series
2018-08-16T23:22:53 < BrainDamage> and switch it from a gpio
2018-08-16T23:23:14 < Cracki> what vdd range does your L0 tolerate?
2018-08-16T23:23:14 < catphish> BrainDamage: makes sense
2018-08-16T23:23:29 < catphish> "1.65 V to 3.6 V power supply"
2018-08-16T23:23:35 < Cracki> ic ic
2018-08-16T23:23:39 < englishman> ENBUF_VREFINT_ADC: VREFINT reference for ADC enable bit 
2018-08-16T23:23:43 < englishman> 1: Enables the buffer used to generate VREFINT reference for the ADC. 
2018-08-16T23:23:55 < BrainDamage> and yes, you need a voltage divider to bring down the supply
2018-08-16T23:24:09 < BrainDamage> once you set the bandgap as ref voltage, it's more or less independent from the supply
2018-08-16T23:24:25 < englishman> lets see what timecube says
2018-08-16T23:24:46 < Cracki> you actually don't. if your supply IS your adc reference, and you measure the bandgap of known voltage, you *get* your supply voltage.
2018-08-16T23:24:49 < BrainDamage> otherwise if you set vdd, both become \propto vdd, and the relation would be constant
2018-08-16T23:24:55 < catphish> vrefint sits at 1.224V
2018-08-16T23:24:57 < BrainDamage> sure, you can do that
2018-08-16T23:25:14 < BrainDamage> it's the same thing in reverse
2018-08-16T23:25:18 < Cracki> and afaics you can't set the bandgap as reference in this L0
2018-08-16T23:25:20 < Cracki> you can only measure it
2018-08-16T23:25:32 < catphish> Cracki: well that's even better
2018-08-16T23:25:42 < catphish> i only want to measure vrefint
2018-08-16T23:25:49 < Cracki> good, then you're done :P
2018-08-16T23:26:00 < Cracki> that is probably their calibration routine
2018-08-16T23:26:09 < englishman> hmm no
2018-08-16T23:26:26 < Cracki> it figures supply/vref by ADCing the bandgap voltage
2018-08-16T23:26:43 < catphish> so if vrefint meeasures at 50% then VDDA is 2.448V
2018-08-16T23:26:52 < Cracki> something like that
2018-08-16T23:27:35 < Cracki> you get your "1.224" or something from the vrefint factory calib value, right?
2018-08-16T23:27:35 < englishman> it looks like you can pipe VREFINT to a comparator
2018-08-16T23:27:57 < englishman> but it doesnt look like you can make vrefint = vref
2018-08-16T23:28:30 < englishman> oh
2018-08-16T23:28:32 < englishman> COMP2
2018-08-16T23:28:33 < Cracki> that's right, vref might be tied to vdda, so maybe you can affect vdda, but it needs to be 1.65..3.3v or whatever I copied up there
2018-08-16T23:28:56 < englishman> you can give it an input, and also: vrefint, 3/4 vrefint, 1/2 vrefint, 1/4 vrefint
2018-08-16T23:29:09 < englishman> so you get get like a 2-bit adc
2018-08-16T23:29:09 < englishman> lol
2018-08-16T23:29:15 < Cracki> wew
2018-08-16T23:29:35 < Cracki> just ADC the vrefint channel :P
2018-08-16T23:30:05 < Cracki> >VDDA is the external analog power supply for ADC, reset blocks, RC oscillators and PLL. For category 1 devices in low-pin count packages, VDDA is bonded to VDD (refer to the corresponding datasheets for more details).
2018-08-16T23:30:09 < catphish> yeah, i'll ADC vrefint and do the very simple math :)
2018-08-16T23:30:26 < Cracki> again, look for "calibration", it probably does what you want already
2018-08-16T23:30:39 < Cracki> I've seen some api call somewhere for that
2018-08-16T23:30:53 < catphish> there was something about reading the factory calibration data
2018-08-16T23:31:11 < Cracki> not sure what I see here, might be of interest http://www.micromouseonline.com/2009/05/26/simple-adc-use-on-the-stm32/
2018-08-16T23:31:29 < Cracki> yes, they measure and program the true bandgap voltage at factory
2018-08-16T23:31:40 < Cracki> so your 1.224 V might vary
2018-08-16T23:31:46 < englishman> ha yeah adc'ing vrefint should work
2018-08-16T23:32:22 < Cracki> ah, it's a cmsis api
2018-08-16T23:32:24 < Cracki> http://stm32.kosyak.info/doc/group___a_d_c___exported___functions.html
2018-08-16T23:32:31 < catphish> that's cool, as long as i can measure it, and read the factory calibration data, perfect
2018-08-16T23:32:37 < Cracki> wait no, read the tree wrong :S
2018-08-16T23:32:43 < catphish> in fact i may not even need that level of accuracy
2018-08-16T23:32:51 < Cracki> 2 bits enough? xD
2018-08-16T23:33:10 < englishman> using a comparator to generate a low-battery interrupt can come in handy
2018-08-16T23:33:18 < englishman> especially if the comparator runs in a low power mode
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2018-08-16T23:35:05 < Cracki> figure 51
2018-08-16T23:36:20 < englishman> looks like COMP1 uses 160nA
2018-08-16T23:36:56 < catphish> well that's quite low
2018-08-16T23:37:10 < englishman> indeed
2018-08-16T23:37:25 < catphish> but on the other hand, i probably just need to do a one-off ADC read at startup
2018-08-16T23:38:53 < englishman> oh, but generating refint uses 1.3mA
2018-08-16T23:38:56 < englishman> err uA
2018-08-16T23:39:43 < englishman> anyway you have your solution
2018-08-16T23:39:46 < englishman> \o/
2018-08-16T23:42:30 < catphish> i think i do, thanks all!!
2018-08-16T23:42:36 < catphish> anyone got any cheesecake?
2018-08-16T23:42:45 < englishman> carbs will kill you
2018-08-16T23:42:46 < Cracki> I got chili con carne with cheese
2018-08-16T23:43:28 < Steffanx> Cheesecake <3
2018-08-16T23:43:34 < cpctr> ty mate
2018-08-16T23:43:39 < Steffanx> I go to germany for that.
2018-08-16T23:44:16 < Cracki> abduct some german baker, make him bake the cake
2018-08-16T23:45:07 < Steffanx> Can you make cheesecake?
2018-08-16T23:45:15 < Cracki> me? I have never tried
2018-08-16T23:45:26 < Cracki> I think my mother and grandma did...
2018-08-16T23:45:41 < BrainDamage> bleh, cheese
2018-08-16T23:46:19 < cpctr> chiss
2018-08-16T23:46:29 < cpctr> welcome brain
2018-08-16T23:47:04 < Cracki> feast your eyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesecake#Gallery
2018-08-16T23:47:54 < cpctr> sniff it
2018-08-16T23:48:16 < Steffanx> Cheesecake isnt really cheese.
2018-08-16T23:49:13 < Steffanx> Sure it had cheese in it, but.. i wouldnt call it that.
2018-08-16T23:49:25 < Steffanx> Has*
2018-08-16T23:49:53 < Cracki> cream cheese, that's not quite cheese, but also milk minus the water
2018-08-16T23:50:00 < Steffanx> And just imagine its the cheese on your pizza BrainDamage. Its all fine and dandy when on pizza
2018-08-16T23:50:17 < BrainDamage> yes, that's the only exception I make
2018-08-16T23:54:34 < Steffanx> I was convinced the stuff i sometimes buy had actual cheese in it.
2018-08-16T23:54:45 < cpctr> ty
2018-08-16T23:55:12 < Steffanx> Get some klompen, stvn
2018-08-16T23:56:00 < Cracki> it contains Quark or other cream cheese https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A4sekuchen
2018-08-16T23:56:07 < cpctr> that is the plan mr stffn
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2018-08-17T00:07:45 < catphish> this is the hopefully simple thing i'm trying to build, a minimal low power stm32 connected to an nfc transceiver: https://nutty.tk/nfc4.pdf - mostly need to work out whether all the decoupling (that i copies from an ST dev board) is really needed, hopefully i have all the other necessary bits
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2018-08-17T00:24:13 < Cracki> someone I know did nfc by soldering a random length of fine copper wire to a 2x2mm chip's QFN pads and it seems to have worked...
2018-08-17T00:26:07 < catphish> i particularly enjoyed the hack where someone got RFID working by conncting an inductor across 2 pins of an attiny, no other components
2018-08-17T00:27:15 < catphish> https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/barebones-pic-rfid-tag-e1317055987260.jpg?w=800
2018-08-17T00:27:43 < catphish> apparantly this works, powers and clocks the chip, and can communicate
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2018-08-17T00:30:33 < zyp> when I made a nfc reader, I just drew a nice-looking coil in altium, and then I just adjusted the parallel capacitance to make it resonate at the right frequency
2018-08-17T00:37:26 < zyp> catphish, I don't have that much decoupling: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/crJLt.JPG
2018-08-17T00:38:31 < zyp> catphish, and you're gonna end up tuning that 82p cap you've got in parallel to the antenna
2018-08-17T00:39:13 < catphish> zyp: yeah i'm not totally sure how i'll do that, the reference design had space for 3 caps
2018-08-17T00:39:34 < catphish> i was kinda hoping i could stick it in a calculator and get the right values out
2018-08-17T00:39:48 < zyp> stick what in a calculator? :)
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2018-08-17T00:40:14 < catphish> the frequency, track width, track length, track diameter
2018-08-17T00:41:07 < zyp> I tried playing around with those calculations, seemed hard to get anything sane out of it
2018-08-17T00:41:14 < zyp> so I bought a miniVNA
2018-08-17T00:41:44 < catphish> looks cool
2018-08-17T00:41:59 < catphish> your output network looks a lot like mine otherwise
2018-08-17T00:42:21 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/6cVmy.gif <- starting point was pretty far off from the target
2018-08-17T00:42:26 < catphish> i didn't understand why the 100pf caps were in pairs, is that just a cost saving?
2018-08-17T00:42:38 < zyp> probably ESR or something
2018-08-17T00:42:45 < catphish> that looks awesome
2018-08-17T00:42:45 < zyp> I don't think I have them paired
2018-08-17T00:42:49 < catphish> how much does one of those cost
2018-08-17T00:42:55 < zyp> 400 EUR or so IIRC
2018-08-17T00:43:08 < catphish> that's quite a bit
2018-08-17T00:43:28 < zyp> for a VNA that's super cheap :)
2018-08-17T00:43:43 < cpctr> I think it’s pretty
2018-08-17T00:43:44 < zyp> and I think I've sold enough nfc readers to make it up and then some
2018-08-17T00:43:56 < catphish> zyp: do you have a schematic for that?
2018-08-17T00:44:16 < zyp> I'd have to fire up altium, I think
2018-08-17T00:44:42 < catphish> would be great to see similar designs (apart from the st reference one)
2018-08-17T00:45:15 < zyp> anyway, nice thing with a VNA is that I just had to hook it up and then keep stacking capacitors until the smith chart looked right: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/uNgNm.JPG https://bin.jvnv.net/file/m0yyr.JPG
2018-08-17T00:45:47 < catphish> haha nice
2018-08-17T00:46:04 < zyp> much more efficient than dicking around with equations and shit :p
2018-08-17T00:46:22 < catphish> that's probably true
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2018-08-17T00:48:43 < catphish> zyp: that programming port (is it that?) is super neat
2018-08-17T00:48:56 < zyp> tag-connect
2018-08-17T00:49:06 < cpctr> Those dogs
2018-08-17T00:49:11 < cpctr> equations
2018-08-17T00:49:31 < zyp> here's the schematic: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/YG0R0.pdf
2018-08-17T00:49:36 < catphish> zyp: thanks!
2018-08-17T00:49:59 < catphish> wow, exact same chipset <3
2018-08-17T00:50:10 < zyp> didn't I suggest it to you last week? :p
2018-08-17T00:50:12 < Steffanx> Heh that antenna symbol :)
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2018-08-17T00:50:22 < cpctr> I like it
2018-08-17T00:50:28 < cpctr> The looop
2018-08-17T00:50:33 < zyp> Steffanx, it's not a symbol, it's a wire connection
2018-08-17T00:50:37 < catphish> zyp: i don't remember, i looked at a lot of options
2018-08-17T00:50:45 < Steffanx> Oh really zyp 
2018-08-17T00:51:04 < catphish> lol i have the same antenna too https://nutty.tk/nfc4.pdf
2018-08-17T00:51:11 < zyp> yeah, I didn't bother making a symbol/footprint for it, I just winged the whole thing when I did the board layout
2018-08-17T00:51:20 < Steffanx> Hehe
2018-08-17T00:51:25 < Thorn> isn't it a erc violation if it's a wire
2018-08-17T00:51:38 < Thorn> shorting R2 etc.
2018-08-17T00:51:59 < zyp> altium doesn't care about passives having the same net on both terminals
2018-08-17T00:52:21 < cpctr> That makes me cool
2018-08-17T00:52:28 < catphish> i don't think kicad cares either
2018-08-17T00:53:06 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/KmWnr.png <- this is how it look in layout mode
2018-08-17T00:53:28 < catphish> zyp: well if you did suggest that setup last week, thanks, i looked at a lot, but seems like a great setup, and great to have a second design for referecne
2018-08-17T00:54:41 < zyp> I think I still have some prototypes laying around that you can have for cheap if you want
2018-08-17T00:55:45 < zyp> I made a mistake on first prototype, so I did a second prototype after tuning to confirm everything was ok before I did a large order
2018-08-17T00:56:00 < zyp> second prototypes are basically identical from final except silk text
2018-08-17T00:56:20 < zyp> but that's enough I'm not gonna sell them, so you can have one for cheap if you'd like :)
2018-08-17T00:56:43 < catphish> you not selling final production ones?
2018-08-17T00:56:57 < zyp> sure, if you wanna pay full price
2018-08-17T00:57:17 < catphish> ah i see :)
2018-08-17T00:57:31 < zyp> just saying, I've got spare protos that are functionally identical that you can have for cheaper :p
2018-08-17T00:57:38 < catphish> anyway, the answer is yes, the design is *so* similar, it seems silly not to
2018-08-17T00:59:13 < zyp> like mentioned last week, the usb interface makes them really easy to prototype with too
2018-08-17T01:00:27 < catphish> i'm just looking over the schematic
2018-08-17T01:00:41 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/XJfyF.JPG <- on the first protos I forgot the wakeup signal, so I ended up bodging that on only a single board
2018-08-17T01:01:42 < catphish> that's actually what i was looking for in the schematic
2018-08-17T01:01:52 < catphish> i need the lowest power wakeup
2018-08-17T01:02:11 < zyp> I mean to wake up the reader chip
2018-08-17T01:02:28 < zyp> if you don't hook up the IRQ_IN signal, you're not getting the chip to turn on at all
2018-08-17T01:02:33 < zyp> at least not in SPI mode
2018-08-17T01:02:37 < catphish> oh yeah, i read that
2018-08-17T01:02:56 < catphish> i will be using a lot of sleep modes
2018-08-17T01:03:07 < zyp> hehe
2018-08-17T01:03:12 < catphish> both devices need to be able to wake each other ideally
2018-08-17T01:03:23 < zyp> you'll probably want to hook IRQ_OUT up to PA0 then
2018-08-17T01:03:35 < catphish> yes, thats exactly my plan
2018-08-17T01:03:37 < zyp> IIRC PA0 is the only pin that can wake the stm from the deepest sleep mode
2018-08-17T01:03:59 < zyp> wasn't a concern for my project since I'm usb powered
2018-08-17T01:04:00 < catphish> i think there's 2 on my stm32, but it's limited and pa0 is one of them
2018-08-17T01:04:02 < catphish> in deep sleep the nfc needs to do field detection to wake the mcu
2018-08-17T01:04:41 < catphish> then after that i want to do some polling where it scans for passive tags every second, then goes back to deep sleep after a couple of hours
2018-08-17T01:05:01 < zyp> but if you wanna prototype that as well on my board, I guess you could just hook a wire between PB7 and PA0
2018-08-17T01:05:23 < catphish> yep, that would work
2018-08-17T01:06:03 < catphish> are these boards built with components, because frankly i wasn't looking forward to soldering these ICs
2018-08-17T01:06:42 < zyp> yes
2018-08-17T01:07:06 < zyp> I'm not a fan of soldering qfn myself, so I outsourced even the prototype assembly
2018-08-17T01:08:00 < karlp> englishman: (normally you _can't_ set the internel vref as the adc reference, on stm32s, you can jsut measure it's value on separate channel)
2018-08-17T01:08:00 < catphish> fair enough, i was just planning to build 2 for proof of concept
2018-08-17T01:08:39 < zyp> I did firmware prototyping on some CR95HF devboards before I made my own design
2018-08-17T01:09:03 < zyp> that's an older generation chip that supports a bit fewer protocols
2018-08-17T01:09:12 < zyp> ST95HF is like a superset of it
2018-08-17T01:09:59 < catphish> indeed, i looked at the cr95hf nucleo board
2018-08-17T01:10:03 < zyp> it's nice to have hardware that's confirmed working when you're doing firmware, and firmware that's confirmed working when you're doing new hardware
2018-08-17T01:10:07 < catphish> but it doesn't have everything i need
2018-08-17T01:10:21 < catphish> makes sense
2018-08-17T01:11:40 < zyp> https://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/m24lr-discovery.html <- green board in this kit is a similar design
2018-08-17T01:12:05 < catphish> that tag-connect is interesting
2018-08-17T01:12:13 < catphish> what's the long connector for?
2018-08-17T01:12:31 < zyp> optional 3x4 keypad for pin code entry
2018-08-17T01:12:38 < zyp> is the main purpose
2018-08-17T01:12:40 < catphish> ah ok
2018-08-17T01:12:56 < zyp> there's also power and ground in it so it can be repurposed to whatever functions are available on those pins
2018-08-17T01:12:59 < catphish> that explains kp_row :)
2018-08-17T01:13:04 < zyp> yeah
2018-08-17T01:13:25 < catphish> well overall a pretty useful dev board too :)
2018-08-17T01:14:44 < catphish> i have an unrelated stm32 question by the way, how does the programmer get the MCU's attention to program it, given that the programming pins aren't dedicated
2018-08-17T01:14:54 < zyp> they default to SWD mode
2018-08-17T01:15:09 < catphish> oh cool
2018-08-17T01:15:25 < zyp> if the firmware changes them to anything else, the debugger needs to assert reset, and can then connect with the cpu under reset
2018-08-17T01:15:36 < catphish> perfect
2018-08-17T01:16:08 < zyp> I prefer leaving them dedicated, still haven't done a project where I've needed them for anything else
2018-08-17T01:16:09 < catphish> well if your design works, i can definitely simplfy mine
2018-08-17T01:16:18 < catphish> yeah dedicated seems sane
2018-08-17T01:17:21 < zyp> last I checked, there weren't really anything to save on switching to lower pincount chips, so I usually have a lot more pins available than I'm actually using
2018-08-17T01:17:33 < catphish> in particular you did very minimal decoupling compared to the ST design, the datasheet doesn't even suggest requirements afaik
2018-08-17T01:17:51 < zyp> might be different if you're targetting that 20-pin f0 or something, but idk
2018-08-17T01:17:57 < catphish> the chip i'm looking at if marginally smaller
2018-08-17T01:18:17 < karlp> heh, netbeans bug, lots of google results, netbeans bugzilla is down, and google cached results are 404ing too
2018-08-17T01:18:32 < zyp> IIRC 32 (or was it 36) pin is equally large as 48-pin, just larger pin spacing
2018-08-17T01:18:54 < catphish> UFQFPN32, same size as the NFC reader IC, because i like symmetry
2018-08-17T01:18:55 < zyp> so you don't save area and you don't save money, better just keep to 48-pin
2018-08-17T01:19:09 < zyp> have you checked price on that?
2018-08-17T01:19:13 < catphish> no
2018-08-17T01:19:25 < catphish> i guess i should go with the cheapest
2018-08-17T01:19:29 < zyp> qfn32 would be smaller, but I bet it's more expensive than qfp48 due to lower volume
2018-08-17T01:19:45 < catphish> where are you by the way?
2018-08-17T01:19:49 < zyp> norway
2018-08-17T01:20:07 < catphish> argghghghggroghowr farnell really need to fix their site performance
2018-08-17T01:20:57 < catphish> that's not too far away, i want to go up there for a holiday some time soon :)
2018-08-17T01:21:07 < zyp> hehe, where are you?
2018-08-17T01:21:16 < catphish> southern uk
2018-08-17T01:21:22 < zyp> ah
2018-08-17T01:21:44 < zyp> well, if you wanna come pick up the boards in person, feel free :p
2018-08-17T01:21:56 < catphish> lol
2018-08-17T01:22:34 < catphish> sounds fun, shame i have time for almost nothing
2018-08-17T01:23:15 < catphish> you only decoupled 3 of your 5 VCCs?
2018-08-17T01:23:22 < catphish> *VDDs
2018-08-17T01:23:58 < catphish> ps. sorry for all the questions, you have volunteered yourself for about a million of them :(
2018-08-17T01:24:28 < zyp> remember current does a full circuit, there's fewer vss pins
2018-08-17T01:24:44 < zyp> and VDD_1 and VDD_3 are right next to each other
2018-08-17T01:25:29 < catphish> i see
2018-08-17T01:25:37 < zyp> the «one per supply pin» rule of thumb is so that you get a cap close to each supply pin, not so you get more capacitance on packages with more supply pins
2018-08-17T01:25:52 < zyp> capacitance is not what matters, having them close is what does
2018-08-17T01:26:02 < zyp> placing two caps right next to each other doesn't help much
2018-08-17T01:26:25 < catphish> that makes sense
2018-08-17T01:27:28 < catphish> this stm32 only has ground on its center pad, that's something i hadn't anticipated, makes hand soldering scarier than i realised
2018-08-17T01:27:47 < zyp> haha
2018-08-17T01:27:52 < zyp> forget hand soldering qfn
2018-08-17T01:28:18 < zyp> I mean, you can make it work, and you'll find people that manage soldering the center pad through a hole under the chip
2018-08-17T01:28:52 < zyp> but IMO it's not a fun way to spend your time
2018-08-17T01:28:57 < catphish> well there's no choice with the ST95HF :(
2018-08-17T01:29:19 < zyp> either reflow it in an oven or outsource it to somebody with a reflow oven
2018-08-17T01:29:51 < Thorn> when my qfn lpc didn't make gnd pad connection it was quite fun lol
2018-08-17T01:29:59 < catphish> yeah i was seriously considering getting a cheap oven
2018-08-17T01:30:11 < zyp> I've got a T-962, still like outsourcing :p
2018-08-17T01:30:48 < catphish> outsourced assembly just doesn't make sense for "i might have got this totally wrong" initial prototypes though :(
2018-08-17T01:31:16 < catphish> oh yeah T-962 is what i was looking at
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2018-08-17T01:31:27 < Laurenceb__> muh blinkenlights
2018-08-17T01:31:43 < zyp> depends who you outsource it to
2018-08-17T01:32:21 < catphish> i really only looked at chinese online board houses
2018-08-17T01:32:34 < catphish> maybe for small volume assembly, local makes more sense, i don't know
2018-08-17T01:32:43 < Laurenceb__> apparently the blinkenlights arent synchronised
2018-08-17T01:32:57 < Laurenceb__> catphish is in uk right?
2018-08-17T01:33:00 < catphish> yeah
2018-08-17T01:33:13 < zyp> one day I'm gonna get my own p&p so I can run small series myself
2018-08-17T01:33:15 < zyp> maybe
2018-08-17T01:33:18 < Laurenceb__> I use https://www.tioga.co.uk/
2018-08-17T01:33:29 < Laurenceb__> I also live next door
2018-08-17T01:33:39 < catphish> any idea how much it costs?
2018-08-17T01:33:41 < Laurenceb__> in some direction...
2018-08-17T01:33:49 < Laurenceb__> catphish: sir needs a price?!
2018-08-17T01:33:54 < catphish> i mean, like rough idea for small quntity
2018-08-17T01:34:16 < Laurenceb__> I'd say ukp 1k moq for most things
2018-08-17T01:34:36 < zyp> anyway, I'm going to bed, let's continue this conversation later
2018-08-17T01:34:43 < Laurenceb__> they dont do very small orders due to setup costs
2018-08-17T01:35:06 < catphish> zyp: thanks! i'll probably have a couple of those boards if you don't need them :)
2018-08-17T01:35:13 < catphish> will catch up soon
2018-08-17T01:35:28 < Laurenceb__> they can churn through £1M/day with all lines running
2018-08-17T01:35:37 < catphish> yeah setup costs is the killer, china is similar, around £900 starting cost
2018-08-17T01:35:50 < Laurenceb__> so diverting staff for setting up faffy stuff isnt worth it
2018-08-17T01:36:29 < Cracki> there are some startups that try to lower setup costs
2018-08-17T01:36:55 < Laurenceb__> the CEO is also in rage mode atm cuz someone built a 12 story building on the location of his planned le epin tram station
2018-08-17T01:36:59 < Cracki> no clue how, but they collect small maker shops with picknplaces and try to automate the data side of setting up
2018-08-17T01:37:07 < Laurenceb__> I know him from local pub :P
2018-08-17T01:37:29 < Cracki> ceo of a dicknplace shop plans a tram station? wat?
2018-08-17T01:37:38 < Laurenceb__> he is v involved in city council
2018-08-17T01:37:43 < Cracki> ah, mafia
2018-08-17T01:37:49 < catphish> lol
2018-08-17T01:38:00 < Laurenceb__> trying to push for epin integrated tram system / HS2 train
2018-08-17T01:38:19 < Laurenceb__> but now there is a huge building at the place where the main station would be
2018-08-17T01:38:21 < Laurenceb__> pwnd
2018-08-17T01:38:43 < catphish> wonder how i'd get on with a cheap reflow oven and no idea what i'm doing
2018-08-17T01:38:59  * karlp has used just a plain toaster oven for a few protos here and there, works just fine.
2018-08-17T01:39:09 < Laurenceb__> if you could find a way to bribe local planning he might give you a deal :P
2018-08-17T01:39:09 < Cracki> the people I hear most of in terms of smal pcb assembly runs is smallbatchassembly.com and aisler.net
2018-08-17T01:39:11 < karlp> if you're _really_ just doing a few here and there.
2018-08-17T01:39:19 < catphish> i did consider a toaster oven, then i can toast subs too
2018-08-17T01:39:19  * Laurenceb__ uses hot air for <100 boards
2018-08-17T01:39:36 < Cracki> ya get a toaster oven or something
2018-08-17T01:39:54 < Cracki> and a big nice magnifying-glass+lamp
2018-08-17T01:40:05 < catphish> oh yeah, could just use hot air, honestly just want to do whatever i'm least likely to mess up (without paying £1k per time)
2018-08-17T01:40:07 < Laurenceb__> so many people working on HS2 already round here
2018-08-17T01:40:28 < Laurenceb__> its another babby shake makework project
2018-08-17T01:40:55 < Cracki> spackling solder paste on and tweezing stuff on the board can be like meditation
2018-08-17T01:44:52 < cpctr> Doctor b
2018-08-17T01:48:52 < Laurenceb__> I spy with my little eye...
2018-08-17T01:48:57 < Laurenceb__> a war criminal!
2018-08-17T01:48:59 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/d0yxxlhnr/
2018-08-17T01:49:08 < Laurenceb__> only one though
2018-08-17T01:50:18 < MrMobius> do you guys know if you can take apart plastic enclosures with self tapping screws or if it ruins the threads after a few cycles?
2018-08-17T01:50:30 < Cracki> who's mr painting and mr marble?
2018-08-17T01:50:59 < Cracki> MrMobius, if you have feeling left in your finger tips, it's no problem
2018-08-17T01:51:13 < johntramp> MrMobius: it's ok just be sure to get into the same groove when you tighten
2018-08-17T01:51:23 < Cracki> don't "tighten", just screw it in
2018-08-17T01:51:34 < johntramp> yrah
2018-08-17T01:51:37 < johntramp> yeah *
2018-08-17T01:51:41 < MrMobius> cool
2018-08-17T01:57:46 < Cracki> don't trust end users to have fine motor skills. they WILL raep
2018-08-17T02:00:12 < mawk> Steffanx: are resumee supposed to be 1 page in the NL too ? I'm applying for some company in Eindhoven
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2018-08-17T02:01:40 < catphish> https://www.smallbatchassembly.com/ looks pretty reasonable
2018-08-17T02:02:07 < Cracki> don't make them read more than a page
2018-08-17T02:02:45 < cpctr> Cats
2018-08-17T02:09:56 < mawk> but I need to list what I can do
2018-08-17T02:09:58 < mawk> one page isn't enough
2018-08-17T02:11:00 < MrMobius> is second page martial arts skills?
2018-08-17T02:11:22 < catphish> oo these folks are really cheap for low volume assembly https://www.pcbtrain.co.uk/services/pcb-assembly
2018-08-17T02:12:27 < Cracki> it's an abstract
2018-08-17T02:12:35 < Cracki> in the interview you go deep
2018-08-17T02:13:25 < mawk> lol MrMobius 
2018-08-17T02:13:31 < catphish> seems to be some cheaper options in china too
2018-08-17T02:14:23 < Cracki> hm, 3 boards 100 components of 20 types, three bgas, they ask 234 britcoins
2018-08-17T02:14:25 < mawk> the company is Sioux, seems to be making embedded stuff
2018-08-17T02:14:37 < cpctr> henk
2018-08-17T02:15:20 < Cracki> would guess they use serious machines, feeders trivially swappable, everything's barcoded
2018-08-17T02:16:02 < catphish> pcbway come in at $88 for 20 boards, thats more like it
2018-08-17T02:16:21 < Cracki> what features do you calculate with?
2018-08-17T02:16:28 < Cracki> pcbway does assembly? huh
2018-08-17T02:16:39 < catphish> ya
2018-08-17T02:16:48 < catphish> https://www.pcbway.com/pcb-assembly.html
2018-08-17T02:17:13 < Cracki> they don't ask for number of different component sorts
2018-08-17T02:17:16 < catphish> that's tempting
2018-08-17T02:17:32 < Cracki> so if I were evil, I could ask for a board of 200 different comps
2018-08-17T02:17:52 < catphish> "number of unique parts"
2018-08-17T02:18:07 < Cracki> ah, then the form I see isn't the full one
2018-08-17T02:18:17 < catphish> yeah thye have 3 forms
2018-08-17T02:18:19 < catphish> *2 forms
2018-08-17T02:18:22 < catphish> the first one is nonsense
2018-08-17T02:18:26 < catphish> the second one makes sense
2018-08-17T02:18:30 < karlp> seeed offers an assembly service these days too
2018-08-17T02:18:38 < karlp> (I've never tried it)
2018-08-17T02:19:02 < Cracki> ah! they calculate without component cost
2018-08-17T02:19:23 < catphish> i like https://www.allpcb.com/ but their assembly isn't cheap :(
2018-08-17T02:19:24 < Cracki> and plonking down 1000 of one sort is figured from number of smt pads
2018-08-17T02:20:11 < catphish> oh actually only $164, not that much more
2018-08-17T02:20:59 < catphish> i might just start prototyping this way, can do a run for < £100 + parts
2018-08-17T02:21:13 < Cracki> what parameters?
2018-08-17T02:21:38 < Cracki> your pcb must have few places, eh
2018-08-17T02:22:32 < catphish> i'm using 10 boards, 20 parts, 10 unique as a starting point for quotes
2018-08-17T02:22:37 < Cracki> allpcb costs the same for <= 30 smt parts
2018-08-17T02:23:05 < Cracki> 16.40/board, that's reasonable
2018-08-17T02:23:50 < Cracki> I'd use that from iteration 2 or 3
2018-08-17T02:24:24 < catphish> pcbway win at $88 though
2018-08-17T02:24:39 < catphish> and that's for up to 20 boards
2018-08-17T02:26:31 < catphish> 10 boards, $93 including manufacture and assembly
2018-08-17T02:27:10 < catphish> probably won't beat that price
2018-08-17T02:29:38 < Cracki> 15 uniques, 30 smt, 20 boards
2018-08-17T02:29:53 < Cracki> oh wait 10 boards eh
2018-08-17T02:30:09 < catphish> ya
2018-08-17T02:30:13 < Cracki> 14 uniques, 20 boards, 88 bucks
2018-08-17T02:30:16 < Cracki> fascinating
2018-08-17T02:30:32 < catphish> i don't need 10 boards, but pcbway do up to 20 for the same price, so whatever
2018-08-17T02:30:38 < catphish> might as well make 10
2018-08-17T02:30:43 < Cracki> that's the spirit
2018-08-17T02:30:51 < Cracki> well, component cost on top right?
2018-08-17T02:31:19 < catphish> yeah, just adding that up now
2018-08-17T02:32:09 < catphish> probably about the same price though (a little under $10 per board)
2018-08-17T02:36:25 < catphish> i cant be bothered to add up the smd passives,but the components of price-consequence come in at 50 british dollars for 10 boards
2018-08-17T02:37:26 < catphish> so $160 for 10 units all-in
2018-08-17T02:38:21 < catphish> although this excludes through hole components, plastic casing, but that's not important to the process
2018-08-17T02:38:39 < catphish> since they'll be handled seprately
2018-08-17T02:38:45 < catphish> well thans for the chat :)
2018-08-17T02:53:20 < catphish> wow, turns out i only need TSSOP20 and it's he cheapest option
2018-08-17T02:53:32 < catphish> even less soldering / power supply requirements
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2018-08-17T03:00:00 < Laurenceb__> muh
2018-08-17T03:05:26 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/5srwm3cbb/
2018-08-17T03:07:06 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/5srwm6k1z/
2018-08-17T03:13:01 < Cracki> "we don't collude against you!" say 350 voices in unison
2018-08-17T03:13:18 < Cracki> owned by seven companies
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2018-08-17T03:36:01 < Laurenceb__> wew http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6067353/Right-wing-extremist-caught-DIY-bomb-home-jailed-12-years.html
2018-08-17T03:36:27 < Laurenceb__> ppl were building shit that lame at school break time lol
2018-08-17T03:37:06 < Laurenceb__> my whole school is in jail 4 lief
2018-08-17T03:37:30 < Laurenceb__> >dat tiem when someone blew up a cast iron post box
2018-08-17T03:38:18 < Cracki> wat he do fart into a bag of flour
2018-08-17T03:38:25 < Laurenceb__> probably
2018-08-17T03:38:27 < Laurenceb__> >went to my mum's house
2018-08-17T03:38:35 < Laurenceb__> >she found devvo on youtube
2018-08-17T03:38:41 < Laurenceb__> >recognised the street
2018-08-17T03:38:48 < Cracki> >caught with... materials
2018-08-17T03:38:49 < Laurenceb__> >she grew up on same estate
2018-08-17T03:38:51 < Laurenceb__> lel
2018-08-17T03:38:52 < Cracki> oh gosh materials!
2018-08-17T03:39:10 < Laurenceb__> muh devvo heritage
2018-08-17T03:39:35 < Laurenceb__> dat estate is epin, houses for ukp50k
2018-08-17T03:39:38 < Laurenceb__> tempted to move
2018-08-17T03:39:39 < Cracki> he started to assemble a device with the potential to cause 'horrific' injuries... a CUTLERY DRAWER
2018-08-17T03:40:43 < Cracki> hahaha drawer of fireworks wew they literally prevented hiroshima
2018-08-17T03:41:07 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-08-17T03:41:19 < Laurenceb__> wonder if I am distantly related to devvo
2018-08-17T03:42:13 < Cracki> 50k sounds not too bad
2018-08-17T03:42:42 < Laurenceb__> ikr, crazy
2018-08-17T03:43:44 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQk07LqnVwg
2018-08-17T03:43:56 < Cracki> so either garden sheds or "vibrant" neighborhood
2018-08-17T03:44:10 < Cracki> ah classical music
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2018-08-17T04:38:17 < branjb> is there any search engine left that doesn't use fuzzy logic and you can use regex?
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2018-08-17T04:54:07 < englishman> karlp: hmm, maybe i am confused with some superior chip :)
2018-08-17T04:55:23 < englishman> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cheatsheet+regex&ia=cheatsheet
2018-08-17T04:57:38 < englishman> doesnt look like actual regex works tho
2018-08-17T05:01:12 < branjb> duckduckgo is full of fuzzy logic too
2018-08-17T05:01:26 < branjb> damn I remember stalking people on the internet being way easier than it is now
2018-08-17T05:01:35 < branjb> now all you get are a million SEO shitpay sites
2018-08-17T05:02:55 < englishman> yeah
2018-08-17T05:03:00 < englishman> google search is useless
2018-08-17T05:03:09 < englishman> you can ignore the first page of results
2018-08-17T05:03:28 < branjb> also trying to search for boomers is damn near impossible
2018-08-17T05:03:32 < branjb> none of them use internet
2018-08-17T05:03:36 < branjb> no social media
2018-08-17T05:12:43 < englishman> try the local library or harley dealership
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2018-08-17T05:48:09 < emeb> why would you want to search for boomers?
2018-08-17T05:49:28 < englishman> https://gfycat.com/GlitteringReasonableHusky
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2018-08-17T06:12:41 < branjb> emeb long story but had a property management company that went bankrupt and I don't have contact info for the people who live in my house I am renting out, lol
2018-08-17T06:13:15 < branjb> sent a notice in the mail telling them to contact me and with my details, they have not contacted me.  prob thought it was spam
2018-08-17T06:27:48 < englishman> nice
2018-08-17T06:28:02 < englishman> stop paying the rent and see who comes knocking
2018-08-17T06:28:29 < englishman> probably safer than actually paying the rent to a bankrupt company
2018-08-17T06:39:14 < branjb> i'm the landlord not the renter
2018-08-17T06:39:54 < englishman> maybe they are tired of your shit
2018-08-17T06:40:01 < branjb> i've never even talked to them
2018-08-17T06:40:02 < branjb> lol
2018-08-17T06:40:10 < branjb> all I have is their name and (obviously) address
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2018-08-17T06:40:28 < englishman> and its prolly 5000 miles away right
2018-08-17T06:40:32 < branjb> also, house is like 1000 miles from me so not like I can go knock
2018-08-17T06:40:33 < branjb> yeah
2018-08-17T06:41:06 < englishman> time to post on craigslist
2018-08-17T06:41:16 < branjb> it's been a shitshow I am selling this house asap
2018-08-17T06:41:16 < englishman> if any real negroes want to make $800
2018-08-17T06:41:20 < branjb> you wanna buy a house in CA?
2018-08-17T06:41:26 < englishman> oh god no
2018-08-17T06:41:48 < branjb> it's bubbled so much that the equity is 200% what I even paid for the house.. need to offload it before the states economy crashes
2018-08-17T06:42:10 < englishman> and make more money than you ever could working
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2018-08-17T06:42:16 < branjb> sad truth
2018-08-17T06:42:28 < englishman> but that is how it is done in usa
2018-08-17T06:42:41 < branjb> lol once I sell the house in CA I can pay off my house in AZ 100%
2018-08-17T06:42:52 < branjb> 8 years from buying the first one
2018-08-17T06:43:07 < englishman> and people say being a student in usa is hard and expensive
2018-08-17T06:43:36 < branjb> I had enough gibs in college to pay the mortgage without working
2018-08-17T06:43:42 < branjb> it was great
2018-08-17T06:44:04 < branjb> I've actually never been more broke since I started working full time
2018-08-17T06:44:44 < englishman> working is how you get poor
2018-08-17T06:44:53 < englishman> i bet your alcohol consumption has risen since school, too
2018-08-17T06:44:58 < branjb> it has
2018-08-17T06:45:07 < englishman> rip
2018-08-17T06:45:20 < englishman> next comes fatty liver disease and alcoholic hepatitis
2018-08-17T06:45:56 < branjb> 100% of my pay is budgeted between bills, debt, and saving for retirement.. I have no hobby income so I manage to find $100 a month to drink $0.50 costco beers every night
2018-08-17T06:46:59 < branjb> selling CA house will fix that
2018-08-17T06:47:12 < branjb> then I can drink $2 beers every night
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2018-08-17T06:47:27 < englishman> check out next month's dinner https://imgur.com/a/pltDYWP
2018-08-17T06:47:55 < branjb> damn you are living the life
2018-08-17T06:47:58 < branjb> engineering on a farm
2018-08-17T06:49:39 < englishman> i would like to do engineering
2018-08-17T06:49:52 < branjb> i thought you were running a china shop from you farm
2018-08-17T06:50:12 < englishman> i have a lil office in the city
2018-08-17T06:50:18 < englishman> but assembly is boring as hell
2018-08-17T06:50:26 < englishman> i have 1-2 real projects per month
2018-08-17T06:51:10 < branjb> eh as cucky as canada is it seems like you have a good thing going
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2018-08-17T06:51:15 < branjb> hot tub
2018-08-17T06:51:20 < branjb> bacon garden
2018-08-17T06:51:23 < branjb> lots of land
2018-08-17T06:51:28 < englishman> yeah the hot tub is great i'm in it right now
2018-08-17T06:51:43 < branjb> how 
2018-08-17T06:51:48 < branjb> there is no irc in hot tubs
2018-08-17T06:51:48 < englishman> ?
2018-08-17T06:51:58 < englishman> the hot tub computer
2018-08-17T06:52:06 < branjb> do you have pics of the hot tub computer
2018-08-17T06:52:18 < englishman> no the camera would get wet
2018-08-17T06:52:22 < branjb> lol
2018-08-17T06:53:00 < englishman> i can't complain, the quality of life is amazing and i can't imagine living anywhere else
2018-08-17T06:53:08 < englishman> and everything is so cheap
2018-08-17T06:53:14 < englishman> man USA was so expensive
2018-08-17T06:53:20 < branjb> i have a .1 acre house for sale in CA, $500k
2018-08-17T06:53:27 < englishman> in washington these Rainier cherries were in season
2018-08-17T06:53:27 < branjb> it has houses on both sides 2 ft away
2018-08-17T06:53:33 < branjb> you know you want it
2018-08-17T06:53:35 < englishman> $8 usd/lb at local groceries
2018-08-17T06:53:40 < englishman> they were good!
2018-08-17T06:53:48 < englishman> but we go back home 5000km away
2018-08-17T06:53:53 < englishman> in the grocery
2018-08-17T06:53:56 < englishman> rainier cherries
2018-08-17T06:54:01 < englishman> $4 cdn/lb
2018-08-17T06:54:04 < branjb> is cost of living cheaper in canada?
2018-08-17T06:54:07 < branjb> pj
2018-08-17T06:54:10 < branjb> oh*
2018-08-17T06:54:42 < englishman> to rent a house like we are in, 60k sqft land, smallish house compared to huge usa mansions, its like $800 cdn/month
2018-08-17T06:55:03 < englishman> plus maybe $200/month electricity which includes heat
2018-08-17T06:55:30 < branjb> had to look up CDN to USD conversion
2018-08-17T06:55:44 < branjb> that's not bad
2018-08-17T06:56:11 < englishman> i thought things were expensive here, until i went to usa
2018-08-17T06:56:15 < englishman> that $12 mac and cheese
2018-08-17T06:56:16 < englishman> man
2018-08-17T06:56:19 < branjb> yeah
2018-08-17T06:56:38 < branjb> the price of food seems to have risen faster than the price of everything else
2018-08-17T06:57:15 < branjb> before college I lived off ~$150/mo for groceries
2018-08-17T06:57:28 < branjb> I spend close to $500/mo on groceries now
2018-08-17T06:57:35 < englishman> for one
2018-08-17T06:57:48 < branjb> then again before college I was single
2018-08-17T06:57:58 < englishman> so for two
2018-08-17T06:58:13 < branjb> now I'm married and my wife buys stupid overpriced shit like kambucha 
2018-08-17T06:58:27 < englishman> well kombu is pretty overpriced
2018-08-17T06:58:31 < englishman> we make about 3L/week here
2018-08-17T06:58:36 < englishman> costs pennies
2018-08-17T06:58:40 < englishman> takes 5min
2018-08-17T06:58:42 < branjb> haha
2018-08-17T06:58:56 < englishman> its tea and sugar
2018-08-17T06:59:04 < branjb> it's a stupid meme
2018-08-17T06:59:23 < englishman> i like it, better than budweiser at 8am
2018-08-17T06:59:53 < branjb> but nothing beats irish coffee
2018-08-17T07:00:29 < englishman> you probably eat better now than in skool
2018-08-17T07:00:37 < englishman> $6k/year on food is not a whole lot
2018-08-17T07:00:47 < branjb> food is a big part of my budget
2018-08-17T07:00:52 < englishman> when you consider that is the only essential expense
2018-08-17T07:00:59 < branjb> I only eat steak/salmon/bacon 
2018-08-17T07:01:08 < branjb> eggs too
2018-08-17T07:01:16 < branjb> and guac
2018-08-17T07:01:31 < branjb> but that's about my normal diet, occasional salad too
2018-08-17T07:02:07 < branjb> and https://imgur.com/a/n2yt772
2018-08-17T07:04:47 < branjb> oh the other big part of my monthly expenses is paying for my wife to get a meme degree
2018-08-17T07:04:59 < branjb> shits not cheap and prob will never pay itself back
2018-08-17T07:05:14 < englishman> surely, cypress needs sjw warriors on their staff
2018-08-17T07:05:36 < branjb> TI is expanding here, might apply to them
2018-08-17T07:06:27 < branjb> cypress has shit for positions in AZ though
2018-08-17T07:06:32 < branjb> mostly sales?
2018-08-17T07:06:35 < branjb> f that
2018-08-17T07:06:40 < englishman> but you could work for R2COM
2018-08-17T07:06:59 < englishman> and bring your ar15 to work
2018-08-17T07:07:17 < branjb> i doubt R2COM is in any management/supervisor position at all
2018-08-17T07:07:34 < englishman> same
2018-08-17T07:07:49 < englishman> but who else will write errata on 10 year old usb2 hubs
2018-08-17T07:08:12 < branjb> I like PSoC I've just never had a single applicable reason to use them
2018-08-17T07:08:25 < branjb> that's a lie
2018-08-17T07:08:28 < englishman> they are the definition of "looks good on paper"
2018-08-17T07:08:32 < branjb> some of the hardware we have at work has PSoC in them
2018-08-17T07:08:51 < branjb> lol and it is broke ass hardware too
2018-08-17T07:09:07 < branjb> i2c constantly locks up
2018-08-17T07:09:25 < branjb> cypress says when that happens to just power cycle it
2018-08-17T07:11:02 < englishman> we had a very interesting and specific problem with a cypress stt hub
2018-08-17T07:11:42 < englishman> replaced it with a taiwanese mtt hub at 1/5th price (which also included an ldo saving a further .50) that performed better and had no noticeable bugs
2018-08-17T07:11:55 < branjb> poor cypress
2018-08-17T07:12:06 < englishman> besides fram idk if i would use any of their stuff
2018-08-17T07:13:22 < branjb> pretty much any time you'd want a micro with limited HDL capability an FPGA with soft core or SoC is a better solution
2018-08-17T07:13:30 < branjb> I guess price
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2018-08-17T07:21:15 < englishman> well i have to solder 540 pth holes tomorrow
2018-08-17T07:21:24 < englishman> no reason to wake up early
2018-08-17T07:21:26 < englishman> you on the other hand
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2018-08-17T07:54:18 < branjb> i actually have tomorrow off
2018-08-17T07:54:21 < branjb> going camping
2018-08-17T07:54:27 < branjb> gonna shoot some guns
2018-08-17T08:03:06 < dongs> https://gizmodo.com/apple-hacked-by-biggest-teen-fan-1828387084 fucking lol RIP stvn
2018-08-17T08:03:16 < dongs> A teenager in Melbourne, Australia, is facing criminal charges after he reportedly hacked Apple’s secure computer network multiple times.
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2018-08-17T08:31:41 < englishman> Investigators found evidence of his hacking escapades in a folder labeled “hacky hack hack.”
2018-08-17T08:41:30 < dongs> haha
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2018-08-17T08:45:22 < dongs> WARNING: Do not bid on projects that ask to exchange money or cryptocurrency (e.g. Bitcoin).
2018-08-17T08:45:25 < dongs> hah
2018-08-17T08:45:28 < dongs> new warning on freecancer lol
2018-08-17T08:46:17 < Thorn> decoding h.264 on an stm32?
2018-08-17T08:47:08 < dongs> less likely than you think
2018-08-17T08:55:38 < jpa-> just slap a h.264 accelerator chip there
2018-08-17T08:56:16 < dongs> are there any that have ISA bus interface
2018-08-17T08:56:35 < jpa-> of course, for all the people using 386 to watch cat videos
2018-08-17T08:57:58 < jpa-> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/system-on-chip-soc-technologies-inc/DC-VA-H264-10B-30-1080-MXC-ZL/1962-1016-ND/9341671   it's cheap and everything, and you could probably hook it up to arduino because it has direct hdmi out and just uart to control
2018-08-17T08:58:27 < dongs> wat teh fuck
2018-08-17T08:58:55 < dongs> haha, it has a FPGA on it
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2018-08-17T09:05:19 < englishman> System-On-Chip (SOC) Technologies Inc.
2018-08-17T09:05:19 < englishman> 86 Rankin Street
2018-08-17T09:05:19 < englishman> Waterloo ON    N2V 1V9
2018-08-17T09:05:19 < englishman> Canada
2018-08-17T09:05:21 < englishman> canadians
2018-08-17T09:05:22 < englishman> fail
2018-08-17T09:05:50 < englishman> Current Positions
2018-08-17T09:05:51 < englishman> "Web Designer Engineer"
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2018-08-17T09:06:02 < dongs> > web
2018-08-17T09:06:04 < dongs> > engineer
2018-08-17T09:06:10 < dongs> fucking die already webfags
2018-08-17T09:12:59 < dongs> Hi sir I am very interested in this job and I have experience in high skill pcb design engineering and production. I always support first time right designs we will discuss more over on chat
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2018-08-17T09:53:27 < dongs> holyt fucking shit breaking news
2018-08-17T09:53:51 < dongs> next gen gavidia gtx/whatever cards will not have a fucking DVI connector
2018-08-17T09:53:57 < dongs> replaced by USB-C with displayport altmode
2018-08-17T09:54:08 < dongs> fucking finallllllly
2018-08-17T09:58:25 < dongs> yes its fucking garbage
2018-08-17T09:58:33 < dongs> its a huge retarded connector that should have died 10 years ago
2018-08-17T10:02:57 < jadew> looks like dongs is back
2018-08-17T10:03:06 < jadew> where have you been?
2018-08-17T10:03:10 < dongs> alaska
2018-08-17T10:03:12 < jadew> vacation?
2018-08-17T10:03:23 < dongs> no just bloggging
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2018-08-17T10:08:07 < cpctr> Spring beak
2018-08-17T10:08:13 < dongs> yes
2018-08-17T10:09:56 < cpctr> 👍
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2018-08-17T11:10:44 < cpctr> Five years ago I told a YouTube channel to stick a dead baby in kiln
2018-08-17T11:13:16 < Steffanx> Try ##electronics stvn
2018-08-17T11:14:53 < cpctr> Hi sir
2018-08-17T11:17:10 < zyp> goedemorgen
2018-08-17T11:17:48 < cpctr> Hii zyp
2018-08-17T11:19:20 < Steffanx> Goedemorgen zyp 
2018-08-17T11:19:33 < Steffanx> Or goedemørgen is more norsk?
2018-08-17T11:21:06 < zyp> norsk would be "god morgen"
2018-08-17T11:27:23 < cpctr> Yeah
2018-08-17T11:27:36 < cpctr> Why’s it dark outside?
2018-08-17T11:28:52 < zyp> you're on the backside of the world
2018-08-17T11:29:39 < cpctr> Ah shit
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2018-08-17T11:53:07 < Steffanx> cpctr and shady?!
2018-08-17T11:53:31 < Steffanx> Hes the sweetest boy.
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2018-08-17T12:14:46 < cpctr> ok innernational
2018-08-17T12:15:24 < cpctr> AC-PR1
2018-08-17T12:17:56 < cpctr> took the cunts long enough to get me a rebuild kit for one of my desodering units
2018-08-17T12:19:58 < cpctr> i fucken hate venturi vacuum pumps
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2018-08-17T12:39:52 < kakimir> what do you not hate
2018-08-17T12:40:43 < cpctr> vacuum diaphragm pumps
2018-08-17T12:41:00 < cpctr> most have worked flawlessly for me
2018-08-17T12:41:24 < cpctr> the average is around 600mm of mercury..... seems just fine
2018-08-17T12:41:53 < cpctr> I don't hate JBC
2018-08-17T12:42:17 < cpctr> expensive but a go-to tool for me https://www.jbctools.com/jt-hot-air-station-product-13-category-3-menu-1.html
2018-08-17T12:42:46 < cpctr> this is something i don't hate https://www.nti-audio.com/en/products/flexus-fx100-audio-analyzer
2018-08-17T12:43:10 < cpctr> and altium.... that's pretty cool
2018-08-17T12:44:50 < cpctr> https://www.hakko.com/english/products/hakko_fr400.html
2018-08-17T12:44:56 < cpctr> and this baby.... the grand suckoff
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2018-08-17T13:42:14 < mawk> https://pix.watch/hzHb0g/hf7ji9.jpeg
2018-08-17T13:42:25 < mawk> can I replace that broken button without a hot air station ?
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2018-08-17T13:43:44 < dongs> well its a chinese button
2018-08-17T13:43:53 < dongs> by replace you mean, melt it off? then sure
2018-08-17T13:44:05 < dongs> i wouldnt use it again to put a new one on
2018-08-17T13:47:14 < mawk> yeah remove the old one
2018-08-17T13:47:21 < mawk> and put a new one
2018-08-17T13:48:44 < dongs> remove sure. its gonna be a mess. hand-solder new one in
2018-08-17T13:49:10 < mawk> that diode on the top is pretty close to the pads
2018-08-17T13:49:16 < mawk> what could happen if I burn the case of the diode ?
2018-08-17T13:49:29 < mawk> diodes don't look that temperature sensitive
2018-08-17T13:50:02 < zyp> why hot air? shit like that should be much easier to just do with a decent iron
2018-08-17T13:50:13 < mawk> the gap is very tiny
2018-08-17T13:50:28 < dongs> diode doestn care
2018-08-17T13:50:39 < zyp> "decent iron" includes sharp tip
2018-08-17T13:50:53 < mawk> yeah I've got a sharp tip
2018-08-17T13:51:58 < zyp> for removal, remember that you don't need it to come off in one piece
2018-08-17T13:52:17 < zyp> just break off some plastic for better access
2018-08-17T13:52:46 < zyp> just don't stress the pads enough that they come off
2018-08-17T13:52:57 < cpctr> hmmm
2018-08-17T13:53:56 < cpctr> oh a broken tactile switch
2018-08-17T13:57:23 < dongs> broke bitch
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2018-08-17T13:58:59 < dongs> i signed up for some shitty altidumb web seminar cuz they spammed me about it
2018-08-17T13:59:25 < mawk> lol
2018-08-17T13:59:35 < mawk> annoying marketing is effective then
2018-08-17T13:59:40 < dongs> Webセミナー「Altium Designer® 18 30分ショートデモ」にご登録いただき、ありがとうございます。
2018-08-17T14:01:07 < cpctr> lol
2018-08-17T14:01:20 < cpctr> the cunts want me to do the advanced course
2018-08-17T14:01:25 < cpctr> is it worth the bother?
2018-08-17T14:01:43 < dongs> frankly if you cant figure out altium without a fucking class, you should probly find a new hobby
2018-08-17T14:01:46 < karlp> what's the board anyway?
2018-08-17T14:01:49 < cpctr> lol
2018-08-17T14:04:12 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADn2IJnTRyM
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2018-08-17T14:10:15 < cpctr> l0ding
2018-08-17T14:11:48 < cpctr> mcniggers
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2018-08-17T15:03:36 < Laurenceb> muh muh
2018-08-17T15:03:47 < Laurenceb> muh blinkenlights
2018-08-17T15:06:09 < Laurenceb> BlackPill4U
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2018-08-17T15:09:44 < Laurenceb> https://i.redditmedia.com/YMaAT2czmU7D21DDvwXZdrD_D0Hijjy0ficQusxqoZc.jpg?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=640&s=db3485c0994de41fb59639feb58a1b62
2018-08-17T15:10:05 < Laurenceb> https://i.redditmedia.com/W9k40SaUT4pO4HjlawCUSGISDEqqBxy_OG5ROU1tU5s.jpg?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=640&s=65c4d37a0ab74f421dc925d1c1e16893
2018-08-17T15:13:27 < dongs> so old, jpeg artifacts come from an ancient version of libjpeg
2018-08-17T15:15:05 < Laurenceb> absolute state of cinema viewers https://imgoat.com/uploads/988c7f88eb/136816.png
2018-08-17T15:16:24 < karlp> that looks edited.  I know the fast series has been like 6/10or something, but not all of them
2018-08-17T15:16:30 < karlp> oh, is that just from the fast series page?
2018-08-17T15:16:52 < karlp> why not just link to source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fast_and_the_Furious#Box_office_performance
2018-08-17T15:16:55 < karlp> knobjocky
2018-08-17T15:17:19 < dongs> probly cuz his retarded image came from 4chan
2018-08-17T15:17:32 < dongs> i couldnt even watch through half of some recent fast/furious movie
2018-08-17T15:17:35 < dongs> it was so fucking awful
2018-08-17T15:18:10 < karlp> I watched skyscraper teh other night though, that was fantastically bad.
2018-08-17T15:18:21 < karlp> the ROOOOOCKKKKK
2018-08-17T15:18:41 < dongs> wasn't that some direct to video shit
2018-08-17T15:18:52 < dongs> my pal who always links shitty rarbg torrents to me pasted it a few days ago
2018-08-17T15:19:20 < karlp> no, it was in theateres here at least
2018-08-17T15:19:21 < BrainDamage> when I saw skycraper the first thing I tought was "this is die hard done bad'
2018-08-17T15:19:30 < karlp> we had _massssssive_ promotoions for it too
2018-08-17T15:19:43 < BrainDamage> ( the trailer, not the movie )
2018-08-17T15:19:47 < karlp> die hard by jason bay ish, yes.
2018-08-17T15:20:14 < dongs> pal confirms movie was shit
2018-08-17T15:20:18 < karlp> oh it was.
2018-08-17T15:20:21 < karlp> reallllly bad.
2018-08-17T15:20:56 < dongs> Budget $125–129 million[2][3]
2018-08-17T15:20:57 < dongs> Box office $292.3 million[2]
2018-08-17T15:21:00 < dongs> at least it made some profit
2018-08-17T15:21:05 < dongs> ive never heard of anyone who's in the movie tho
2018-08-17T15:21:14 < dongs> Filming began in September 2017 in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. 
2018-08-17T15:21:16 < dongs> thats hwyt it sucked
2018-08-17T15:21:20 < dongs> englishman failed it
2018-08-17T15:22:01 < karlp> dude jumps off teh end of a crane and flies through the air to catch himself on a broken window frame.
2018-08-17T15:22:07 < karlp> it was like vertical limit
2018-08-17T15:22:23 < dongs> apparently it was china funded
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2018-08-17T15:25:25 < dongs> oh this is wiht same guy who was in san andreas
2018-08-17T15:25:28 < dongs> which was also fucking awful
2018-08-17T15:25:45 < karlp> it's ~same movie as san andreas too, of course.
2018-08-17T15:25:55 < karlp> rock is hero, saves family from disaster against all odds
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2018-08-17T15:46:47 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/988c7f88eb/136822.jpg
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2018-08-17T15:49:05 < Cracki> >2 months of equations, *only* written down on a whiteboard
2018-08-17T15:50:13 < Cracki> >nubile redhead in a math department
2018-08-17T15:54:25 < Steffanx> Repost Laurenceb
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2018-08-17T15:55:13 < Steffanx> Does did mean Laurenceb posted all the shit there is on the internet in here. And now you start over?
2018-08-17T15:55:33 < Laurenceb> I'll have to produce my own content
2018-08-17T15:55:34 < Laurenceb> reeee
2018-08-17T15:55:58 < Laurenceb> better order my cow suit
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2018-08-17T15:59:45 < Steffanx> Need some wooden shoes too?
2018-08-17T16:01:06 < Steffanx> https://www.ouderwetsewinkel.nl/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/c687aa7517cf01e65c009f6943c2b1e9/k/o/koe-klompen_1.jpg
2018-08-17T16:02:53 < Laurenceb> hmf all my youtube ideas have been done
2018-08-17T16:03:04 < Laurenceb> maybe I should do something actually useful
2018-08-17T16:03:37 < Laurenceb> tbh if I made youtube videos it would probably descend rapidly to mr pregnant level idiocy
2018-08-17T16:07:13 < dongs> you should make some videos on STM32
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2018-08-17T16:16:55 < mawk> I need a $.30 button, but every supplier wants $20 of shipping fees
2018-08-17T16:16:57 < mawk> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/TL3365AF180QG/EG5384CT-ND/5964420
2018-08-17T16:18:02 < Steffanx> Order 150 buttons 
2018-08-17T16:19:38 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/cocks/32816626751.html here yo ugo
2018-08-17T16:19:52 < dongs> 0.80$ for 50 AND free shipping
2018-08-17T16:22:28 < mawk> https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/Original-new-100-The-touch-button-switch-4-2x3-2-car-keys-remote-control-switch-3/32733222034.html?spm=a2g0w.search0104.3.2.3c634786SaV6Ed&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10342_10343_10340_10341_10696_5013115_310_10084_10083_10618_10304_10307_10820_10821_10302_10843_10059_100031_5013415_5013215_10103_5013315_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620_526,searchweb201603_16,ppcSwitch_4&algo_expid=17498165
2018-08-17T16:22:28 < mawk> -7793-486a-a39b-5f338330c53e-0&algo_pvid=17498165-7793-486a-a39b-5f338330c53e&transAbTest=ae803_2&priceBeautifyAB=0
2018-08-17T16:22:30 < mawk> uh
2018-08-17T16:22:35 < dongs> negro
2018-08-17T16:22:42 < dongs> do you ntoice the diffecence between my link
2018-08-17T16:22:43 < dongs> and yours
2018-08-17T16:22:48 < mawk> kinda
2018-08-17T16:22:55 < mawk> https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/Original-new-100-The-touch-button-switch-4-2x3-2-car-keys-remote-control-switch-3/32733222034.html
2018-08-17T16:22:58 < dongs> yes t hose
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2018-08-17T16:23:08 < dongs> 10 morceaux
2018-08-17T16:23:16 < mawk> lol
2018-08-17T16:23:44 < dongs>  tactile bouton interrupteur 
2018-08-17T16:23:45 < dongs> fuck
2018-08-17T16:23:50 < dongs> now my aliexpress will be in french
2018-08-17T16:23:51 < dongs> for ever
2018-08-17T16:24:16 < mawk> good thing
2018-08-17T16:24:55 < dongs> https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/gay_france/32733222034.html
2018-08-17T16:25:13 < mawk> :(
2018-08-17T16:25:35 < dongs> it shows $4.47 for shipping to japan for me
2018-08-17T16:25:46 < dongs> Livraison :22-37jours
2018-08-17T16:25:51 < dongs> jours doesn't mean hours right
2018-08-17T16:25:58 < mawk> it means days
2018-08-17T16:26:10 < dongs> well, youve got lots of time to desolder than button then
2018-08-17T16:26:12 < mawk> lol
2018-08-17T16:26:21 < mawk> aliexpress is in broken french, litteral translation from english
2018-08-17T16:26:46 < mawk> morceaux would mean then smashed the buttons and ship 10 pieces of broken button per package
2018-08-17T16:26:53 < dongs> yes im certain they're jsut machinetranslating orignal description + all text
2018-08-17T16:27:58 < dongs> >  ship 10 pieces of broken button per package 
2018-08-17T16:28:05 < dongs> i mean this is eaxctly what you need right? more broken buttons
2018-08-17T16:28:54 < zyp> haha
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2018-08-17T17:03:31 < aandrew> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mb44nn/autralian-teen-hacked-apple-network
2018-08-17T17:03:44 < dongs> 05:03 < dongs> https://gizmodo.com/apple-hacked-by-biggest-teen-fan-1828387084 fucking lol RIP stvn
2018-08-17T17:03:53 < dongs> you're exctly 9 hours late
2018-08-17T17:04:08 < aandrew> I absolutely love how dongs replaces the text in aliexpress links with cocks and dongs and shit like that
2018-08-17T17:04:15 < aandrew> dongs: c'est la vie
2018-08-17T17:05:31 < aandrew> so I bought a couple of these cheap 2.4ghz drone transmitters from ali: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/x/32832487670.html
2018-08-17T17:05:45 < aandrew> I am not interested at all in the tx, but rather the case and buttons/axes
2018-08-17T17:06:02 < dongs> arent xbox usb controller clones cheaper
2018-08-17T17:06:25 < dongs> i mean if that's what youre after
2018-08-17T17:06:26 < karlp> fucking french ali again
2018-08-17T17:06:28 < karlp> damnit
2018-08-17T17:06:34 < dongs> yeah thank that fucking mawk asshoel
2018-08-17T17:06:35 < aandrew> took it apart of course and it's pretty decent. individual tact switches, a sanded-off 8051 and a discrete xn297
2018-08-17T17:06:55 < dongs> pix
2018-08-17T17:06:58 < mawk> lol
2018-08-17T17:07:07 < karlp> and the "go to global site" doesn't keep you ont he page, it just goes to siteroot
2018-08-17T17:07:08 < aandrew> 1-sided PCB which is expected, I can map out all the buttons and replace the cpu+tx with my own shit
2018-08-17T17:09:27 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/a/HcqgjO4
2018-08-17T17:10:22 < aandrew> I think they may be playing the old "use a few dio connected to resistors and form a divider, read with ADC" trick though since it's a 16 pin 8051 with a SPI bus to the XN297 and 12 digital I/O and 4 analog
2018-08-17T17:10:45 < aandrew> dongs: these were the cheapest I found I think
2018-08-17T17:10:50 < aandrew> I wanted lots of buttons
2018-08-17T17:12:06 < aandrew> interesting though, the xbox axes are $2.77 ea and have the pushbutton switch which these don't have
2018-08-17T17:12:15 < aandrew> the PCB takes them but the non-pushbutton variants are installed
2018-08-17T17:17:42 < aandrew> I wonder if aliexpress keeps track of that replaceable text
2018-08-17T17:20:05 < aandrew> attn karlp: https://ru.aliexpress.com/item/x/32829423323.html
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2018-08-17T17:23:16  * karlp twewaks the url instead of clicking...
2018-08-17T17:23:43 < dongs> https://il.aliexpress.com/item/x/32829423323.html this is way better
2018-08-17T17:23:43 < karlp> wow, those look rad.
2018-08-17T17:24:26  * karlp adds to wishlist
2018-08-17T17:24:33 < dongs> karlp: that looks like the kinda trash SexyCuborg would use
2018-08-17T17:28:27 < Laurenceb> >knowing who that is
2018-08-17T17:28:32 < Laurenceb> incels confirmed
2018-08-17T17:30:09 < Laurenceb> I literally dont
2018-08-17T17:30:17 < mawk> you put the hebrew on purpose dongs ?
2018-08-17T17:30:34 < Sadale> dongs, wow. What is that?
2018-08-17T17:30:53 < Laurenceb> ~>Naomi Wu is a Chinese DIY maker and internet personality. As an advocate of women in STEM
2018-08-17T17:30:54 < Steffanx> mawk doesnt know dongs yet? He has a jew fetish
2018-08-17T17:30:57 < Laurenceb> wtf did I just read
2018-08-17T17:31:10 < Laurenceb> we in troll world now
2018-08-17T17:31:58 < Laurenceb> >maker >e-celeb >asian >le women in stem >""stem"" >"sexy" >le transhumanism references
2018-08-17T17:32:04 < Laurenceb> its like a trollpedia
2018-08-17T17:33:05 < Steffanx> Btw dongs. It seems the usb psu i use to power your dp panely thing breaks the stm32. And thats why the button to turn the backlight off no longer works
2018-08-17T17:33:24 < Steffanx> Pwm does seem to continue though
2018-08-17T17:33:24 < dongs>  o really
2018-08-17T17:33:41 < Steffanx> It seems to be the case yes
2018-08-17T17:33:43 < dongs> does its 5V ripple like crazy under load or something?
2018-08-17T17:33:52 < Steffanx> Idk. Didnt check yet
2018-08-17T17:34:29 < Laurenceb> >usb psu
2018-08-17T17:34:32 < dongs> tho i don't really think that would do much with stm. maybe its one of those super cheap cap->diode bridge>anothercap AC>DC chinasupplies that leaks live AC all over the output
2018-08-17T17:34:37 < Laurenceb> probably outputs 230vac or something
2018-08-17T17:35:11 < Steffanx> It wasnt actually too cheap. 
2018-08-17T17:35:35 < Laurenceb> 4U
2018-08-17T17:35:42 < Steffanx> 4 me.
2018-08-17T17:35:43 < englishman> i use a computer psu
2018-08-17T17:35:51 < englishman> but i also use the 12v outputs for these 10" screens
2018-08-17T17:36:03 < englishman> every small ass 5v supply i've tried has died
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2018-08-17T17:36:15 < Steffanx> Haha. 
2018-08-17T17:37:25 < englishman> https://twitter.com/dietwrite/status/1029838596159619072
2018-08-17T17:39:01 < Steffanx> Lol pro QC
2018-08-17T17:39:04 < Laurenceb> https://postimg.cc/image/sf4fyro7h/
2018-08-17T17:39:48 < dongs> i dont get it
2018-08-17T17:40:16 < englishman> the other guy is quoting popular 2008 movie in a thread about a dead girl
2018-08-17T17:40:18 < Laurenceb> https://postimg.cc/image/6spfhvutp/
2018-08-17T17:40:22 < englishman> and laurent finds humour in that
2018-08-17T17:40:54 < dongs> what movie
2018-08-17T17:41:01 < dongs> am i missing something in that retarded pixelated jpeg
2018-08-17T17:41:24 < englishman> the dark knight (batman)
2018-08-17T17:42:31 < dongs> it looks like i've downloaded it but probaly neer watched
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2018-08-17T17:47:36 < aandrew> karlp: damn, I was hoping to throw you off 
2018-08-17T17:47:43 < aandrew> (* karlp twewaks the url instead of clicking...)
2018-08-17T17:48:56 < karlp> too soon ;)
2018-08-17T17:50:11 < aandrew> I'm going to have to start using redirects
2018-08-17T17:53:09 < karlp> http://www.wseas.us/e-library/conferences/2011/Corfu/CIRCS/CIRCS-38.pdf ?
2018-08-17T17:53:21 < karlp> I wonder what UL et al would say bout it.
2018-08-17T17:53:40 < karlp> are tehre any commonly used isolated pwoer supply topologies that don't use a transformer?
2018-08-17T17:54:21 < dongs> karlp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_67yCY6k65U psu like this
2018-08-17T17:54:29 < dongs> (retweet courtesy flyback
2018-08-17T17:54:30 < aandrew> how do you get high power across an isolation barrier?
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2018-08-17T17:58:43 < Laurenceb> transformer
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2018-08-17T18:21:43 < karlp> lalrence, so, thoughts on the greeks using dual fets for isolation?
2018-08-17T18:21:55 < tomeaton17> Hello guys
2018-08-17T18:22:03 < karlp> dongs: nice teardown video :)
2018-08-17T18:27:40 < mawk> these greeks don't like uppercasing words
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2018-08-17T18:39:00 < Laurenceb> anyone here used bluetooth with lunix?
2018-08-17T18:39:07 < Laurenceb> I dont know what I'm doing lol
2018-08-17T18:39:16 < Laurenceb> need to connect to esp32 blutooth rfcomm
2018-08-17T18:39:19 < Laurenceb> or something
2018-08-17T18:39:26 < Laurenceb> I only know the mac address
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2018-08-17T18:40:17 < Laurenceb> Can't connect rfcomm socket, connection refused
2018-08-17T18:40:20 < Laurenceb> funtimes
2018-08-17T18:40:40 < tomeaton17> Yeah I have, what front end are you using
2018-08-17T18:41:06 < Laurenceb> whats a front end?
2018-08-17T18:41:16 < Laurenceb> I'm using command line
2018-08-17T18:41:23 < tomeaton17> bluetoothctl?
2018-08-17T18:41:31 < Laurenceb> hcitool I think
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2018-08-17T18:41:49 < Laurenceb> oh I see
2018-08-17T18:41:53 < Laurenceb> thats a terminal
2018-08-17T18:41:57 < Laurenceb> what do I type?
2018-08-17T18:42:46 < Laurenceb> connect gives "device not available"
2018-08-17T18:42:55 < tomeaton17> Um I think hcitool is deprecated
2018-08-17T18:43:10 < Laurenceb> well its def not working
2018-08-17T18:43:16 < Laurenceb> but newither is anything else
2018-08-17T18:43:20 < tomeaton17> Maybe try bluetoothctl
2018-08-17T18:43:29 < Laurenceb> thats what I'm using atm
2018-08-17T18:43:32 < Laurenceb> connect gives "device not available"
2018-08-17T18:43:37 < tomeaton17> oh right
2018-08-17T18:43:59 < Laurenceb> do I need to pair the device?
2018-08-17T18:44:17 < tomeaton17> yes
2018-08-17T18:44:57 < Laurenceb> how?
2018-08-17T18:45:21 < tomeaton17> pair x where x is the device MAC address
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2018-08-17T18:46:25 < Laurenceb> now it says its not available
2018-08-17T18:46:46 < Laurenceb> wtf
2018-08-17T18:46:46 < tomeaton17> when you try to pair?
2018-08-17T18:46:51 < Laurenceb> just now
2018-08-17T18:47:24 < Laurenceb> oh the signal
2018-08-17T18:48:18 < Laurenceb> thats part of the problem
2018-08-17T18:48:32 < Laurenceb> still not all of the problem
2018-08-17T18:48:36 < Laurenceb> how do I pair?
2018-08-17T18:49:49 < Laurenceb> ok it says I'm paired
2018-08-17T18:49:55 < Laurenceb> but connection still refused
2018-08-17T18:50:13 < tomeaton17> hmm thats weird. I would have a look at the bluetoothctl logs
2018-08-17T18:50:34 < Laurenceb> well this is with /media/laurence/Storage/OBD_RP
2018-08-17T18:50:37 < Laurenceb> wait wut
2018-08-17T18:50:47 < Laurenceb> this is with bluetoothctl
2018-08-17T18:51:16 < tomeaton17> the logs will give more information about the connection fail
2018-08-17T18:51:26 < Laurenceb> where are the logs?
2018-08-17T18:51:39 < Laurenceb> aha
2018-08-17T18:51:40 < tomeaton17> probably /var/log
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2018-08-17T18:51:55 < Laurenceb> TIOCGSERIAL is not supported
2018-08-17T18:53:27 < Thorn> dmesg
2018-08-17T18:53:28 < tomeaton17> Anything else?
2018-08-17T18:53:35 < Laurenceb> thats in dmesg
2018-08-17T18:54:30 < Laurenceb> nothing else
2018-08-17T18:58:53 < tomeaton17> Strange, not really sure what else to suggest, maybe another process is using the /dev port? just guessing now.
2018-08-17T18:58:55 < Laurenceb> how should I connect with rfcomm ?
2018-08-17T18:59:08 < Laurenceb> there is nothing in /dev
2018-08-17T19:01:14 < tomeaton17> There must be
2018-08-17T19:02:26 < Laurenceb> ok rfcomm bind created /dev/rfcomm0
2018-08-17T19:03:14 < Laurenceb> but rfomm connect gives connection refused
2018-08-17T19:03:25 < Laurenceb> can I just cat from the device?
2018-08-17T19:03:46 < tomeaton17> yes
2018-08-17T19:04:18 < tomeaton17> actually no use screen or something you will need to set baud rate
2018-08-17T19:05:09 < Laurenceb>  [screen is terminating]
2018-08-17T19:06:00 < tomeaton17> did you run with sudo
2018-08-17T19:06:13 < Laurenceb> yes
2018-08-17T19:07:44 < tomeaton17> I am out of ideas. I would try ##linux
2018-08-17T19:07:54 < Laurenceb> ok thanks
2018-08-17T19:08:04 < Laurenceb> wtf lunix thinks its an audio device
2018-08-17T19:08:51 < Laurenceb> just spoke to the guy who wrote the ESP32 bluetooth firmware, apparently you need to use UUID to connect otherwise you get the audio service so it fails
2018-08-17T19:08:58 < Laurenceb> and its only tested in android
2018-08-17T19:08:59 < Laurenceb> wtf
2018-08-17T19:09:22 < Laurenceb> copypasta ESP32 codez ftl
2018-08-17T19:10:25 < tomeaton17> yikes..
2018-08-17T19:11:43 < Laurenceb> aha got it
2018-08-17T19:11:50 < Laurenceb> have to use channel 22
2018-08-17T19:11:54 < Laurenceb> obviously...
2018-08-17T19:12:19 < Laurenceb> k thanks for the help
2018-08-17T19:12:25 < tomeaton17> working now?
2018-08-17T19:12:33 < Laurenceb> looks like I was connecting rfcomm to bluetooth audio
2018-08-17T19:12:36 < Laurenceb> yes
2018-08-17T19:12:46 < tomeaton17> oh okay. Nice.
2018-08-17T19:12:54 < Laurenceb> developers copypastered all the ESP32 libraries
2018-08-17T19:13:20 < Laurenceb> so there is a bluetooth interface for shittons of stuff but none of the interfaces do anything
2018-08-17T19:13:31 < Laurenceb> apart from cause confusion
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2018-08-17T19:19:42 < Laurenceb> this https://www.freematics.com/
2018-08-17T19:19:52 < Laurenceb> case is now so hot its on the verge of melting
2018-08-17T19:19:59 < Laurenceb> the absolute state of ESP32
2018-08-17T19:20:16 < Laurenceb> https://freematics.com/products/freematics-one-plus/
2018-08-17T19:21:19 < srk> much arduino
2018-08-17T19:23:01 < Laurenceb> wtf did I just read https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45207946
2018-08-17T19:23:06 < Laurenceb> the news is trolling us
2018-08-17T19:23:47 < mawk> why
2018-08-17T19:23:50 < mawk> it's a fine piece of news
2018-08-17T19:24:02 < Laurenceb> ikr, Hitler would be proud
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2018-08-17T19:24:48 < Laurenceb> >wtf voluntary eugenics?? I dont even need to try
2018-08-17T19:24:55 < tomeaton17> yeah that was a mistake looking at the images
2018-08-17T19:25:10 < tomeaton17> christ
2018-08-17T19:25:22 < Cracki> search for her nudes
2018-08-17T19:25:29 < Cracki> you will turn gay instantly
2018-08-17T19:25:34 < Laurenceb> >when the news is indistinguishable from 4chan trollposts
2018-08-17T19:25:46 < Cracki> that's an insult to 4chan
2018-08-17T19:25:49 < Laurenceb> kek
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2018-08-17T19:26:22 < Cracki> she did something to her little sister, or was that someone else?
2018-08-17T19:27:05 < Laurenceb> her
2018-08-17T19:29:23 < mawk> Laurenceb: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2005-11-18/parliament-mate-ban-makes-international-silly-list/743160
2018-08-17T19:29:33 < mawk> I'm sure you'll enjoy that list
2018-08-17T19:30:10 < Cracki> oi m8 where's ya mating loicense
2018-08-17T19:30:41 < Cracki> deferred success
2018-08-17T19:31:00 < Cracki> they are retarded and have no business in government
2018-08-17T19:31:03 < tomeaton17> wait so she wrote about sexually abusing her sister in her book? wow
2018-08-17T19:34:04 < Cracki> entertaining, eh
2018-08-17T19:34:33 < Cracki> some people don't have problems happening to them, they are living problems
2018-08-17T19:36:45 < Thorn> what happens when Laurenceb attempts to teach at a university https://twitter.com/Historiann/status/1030224267739189248
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2018-08-17T19:38:36 < Cracki> dear god
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2018-08-17T19:39:00 < Cracki> just make sure you aren't the teacher to _this_ student and they're old enough to consent
2018-08-17T19:39:34 < Cracki> when you spend most of your day with people, they *are* your dating pool
2018-08-17T19:39:54 < Cracki> these people intentionally discourage reproduction
2018-08-17T19:41:18 < Thorn> Cracki: >Most decent folk recognize the difference btwn people 18-25 or so, and people in their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s who should be "grownups." Ignoring this is self-serving.
2018-08-17T19:41:28 < Thorn> this has been their talking point for quite some time
2018-08-17T19:41:55 < Thorn> age difference is quote immoral unquote
2018-08-17T19:42:35 < Cracki> the left is in no position to talk about morality
2018-08-17T19:44:32 < Cracki> every single one who counts a 25-year-old as "not" a grownup is older than that and still a student
2018-08-17T19:45:33 < Cracki> their bubble excludes 16yos who start apprenticeships
2018-08-17T19:50:16 < Thorn> >Example, can a professor date a student not enrolled in his/her classes?
2018-08-17T19:50:17 < Thorn> >The answer to your question is "no". Universities are not dating pools for older people to get young partners.
2018-08-17T19:50:35 < Cracki> lol
2018-08-17T19:50:45 < Cracki> we have profs that are barely 30 years old
2018-08-17T19:51:12 < Cracki> their concept of reality is ridiculous
2018-08-17T19:51:58 < Cracki> their assumption is that professors are privileged old white males who abuse the young clueless feminists
2018-08-17T19:52:34 < Cracki> if professors were majority women, they wouldn't give a fuck, they'd even celebrate the freedom of bedding hot young freshmen
2018-08-17T19:53:22 < Cracki> leftists are the biggest prudes there are
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2018-08-17T19:58:43 < Laurenceb> RSSI -60 on desk next to the thing
2018-08-17T19:58:48 < Laurenceb> the absolute state
2018-08-17T20:01:03 < Thorn> sounds normal for bluetooth
2018-08-17T20:02:22 < Laurenceb> pretty shit
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2018-08-17T20:05:19 < BrainDamage> the antennas that most bluetooth devices use have gains of -10 to 20dB
2018-08-17T20:05:40 < BrainDamage> add 10dBm power output and a bit of distance, that that's absolutely unsurprising
2018-08-17T20:06:35 < BrainDamage> I have plenty of experience with lunix bluetooth
2018-08-17T20:06:53 < Laurenceb> suprised you havent killed yourself
2018-08-17T20:07:03 < Laurenceb> it barely works in the next room
2018-08-17T20:07:23 < Laurenceb> not sure if it will reliably work from vehicle dashboard to babby trolley
2018-08-17T20:07:36 < BrainDamage> you can get class 2 modules
2018-08-17T20:07:37 < Laurenceb> guess I should test it in all possible orientations
2018-08-17T20:07:50 < BrainDamage> those have 20dBm power output
2018-08-17T20:08:02 < Laurenceb> yeah but I was trying to use off the shelf ODB dongle
2018-08-17T20:08:04 < BrainDamage> and generally slightly better frontend
2018-08-17T20:08:08 < Laurenceb> maybe it will work...
2018-08-17T20:08:24 < Laurenceb> Qt bluetooth is quite reliable at least
2018-08-17T20:10:10 < Steffanx> is it?
2018-08-17T20:21:15 < kakimir> there is reliable
2018-08-17T20:21:19 < kakimir> and there is quite reliable
2018-08-17T20:23:07 < Laurenceb> the there is more reliable than lunix bluetooth
2018-08-17T20:23:09 < Laurenceb> ie anything
2018-08-17T20:23:11 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/988c7f88eb/136876.png
2018-08-17T20:24:07 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/988c7f88eb/136877.jpg
2018-08-17T20:24:10 < Laurenceb> le femcel
2018-08-17T20:24:41 < BrainDamage> you should get a SJW girlfriend
2018-08-17T20:24:57 < BrainDamage> you'd spend half of the time trying to piss eachother off, and the other half having angry sex
2018-08-17T20:25:03 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-08-17T20:25:11 < BrainDamage> and no time left to shitpost on irc, most importantly
2018-08-17T20:35:33 < Steffanx> i heard his niece is available
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2018-08-17T20:52:54 < catphish> morning
2018-08-17T21:00:26 < Steffanx> evening sir.
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2018-08-17T21:33:52 < bitmask> boobies
2018-08-17T21:35:05 < Steffanx> how many of those did you print rob235?
2018-08-17T21:35:17 < bitmask> 36
2018-08-17T21:35:19 < bitmask> and a half
2018-08-17T21:35:52 < Steffanx> aha
2018-08-17T21:36:54 < Steffanx> Plastic surgery like a pro
2018-08-17T21:38:50 < bitmask> thanks for an idea on what to use this flexible filly sample on ;)
2018-08-17T21:39:52 < Steffanx> :P
2018-08-17T21:41:01 < tomeaton17> BrainDamage, tried that, she got very triggered when I called her an sjw lol
2018-08-17T21:47:30 < catphish> boobies? where?
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2018-08-17T22:07:00 < Thorn> I'm triggered by you calling an sjw a 
2018-08-17T22:07:03 < Thorn> "gf"
2018-08-17T22:07:39 < Cracki> ^
2018-08-17T22:07:58 < Cracki> don't waste flexible filament on boobs, print an onahole
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2018-08-17T22:33:09 < tomeaton17> Thorn, dont worry she didnt last long
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2018-08-17T22:53:46 < catphish> that's not very polite
2018-08-17T22:54:12 < Steffanx> ##notVeryPolite32
2018-08-17T22:59:03 < Steffanx> because no link has been posted for while, time for some pretty random germany music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg3CdijJe24
2018-08-17T22:59:42 < Thorn> have a kitteh link https://www.instagram.com/p/BmlfyQOAI5y/
2018-08-17T23:01:02 < Laurenceb__> muh bluetooth
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2018-08-17T23:12:36 < Laurenceb__> https://pastebin.com/8iNFGpJh
2018-08-17T23:12:39 < Laurenceb__> easy as shit
2018-08-17T23:13:03 < Laurenceb__> unless its an ESP32 copypasta jerb
2018-08-17T23:15:27 < Laurenceb__> >someone moves the laptop into a null point in the rf
2018-08-17T23:15:31 < Laurenceb__> >all data lost
2018-08-17T23:31:10 < kakimir> sello hexuals
2018-08-17T23:31:30 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Tt1J90I8oBfYxjq4EeSxaaWupHBn9jhf/view?usp=sharing sumthin
2018-08-17T23:31:52 < kakimir> iteration 1 and 2
2018-08-17T23:32:14 < kakimir> muh cores boi
2018-08-17T23:33:53 < kakimir> when I slipped core in that iteration 2. it was sensual
2018-08-17T23:34:14 < kakimir> zoom in to see how it's inserted
2018-08-17T23:37:09 < kakimir> it is rotated in it
2018-08-17T23:38:21 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdAvLYtjRhA my feelings summarized
2018-08-17T23:44:52 < Laurenceb__> https://freematics.com/pages/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/headless_2.jpg
2018-08-17T23:44:58 < Laurenceb__> the absolute state
2018-08-17T23:45:07 < Laurenceb__> surprised BT works at all
2018-08-17T23:53:35 < Laurenceb__> bet it gets quite a few dB gain without the µSD inserted
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2018-08-18T00:03:44 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G3OdY83_t3ny4YPzo83TMuP0GHgylynz/view?usp=sharing
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2018-08-18T00:37:16 < cpctr> m
2018-08-18T00:37:55 < Laurenceb__> the results are in
2018-08-18T00:38:05 < Laurenceb__> its losing about 15dB due to their lame skillz
2018-08-18T00:38:07 < cpctr> ye?
2018-08-18T00:39:21 < Laurenceb__> this https://freematics.com/pages/products/freematics-one-plus/
2018-08-18T00:40:09 < cpctr> Dual-core ARM SoC processor programmable as Arduino
2018-08-18T00:40:13 < cpctr> fantastic
2018-08-18T00:41:09 < BrainDamage> i see no antenna connecor for the the gps, how exactly will it work?
2018-08-18T00:41:28 < BrainDamage> normal obd shit is buried below the dashboard
2018-08-18T00:41:38 < Laurenceb__> thats a gprs module
2018-08-18T00:41:46 < BrainDamage> >High update rate GPS/GLONASS geolocation
2018-08-18T00:41:53 < Laurenceb__> there is a SMA connector on the case for the gprs version
2018-08-18T00:42:01 < BrainDamage> ah
2018-08-18T00:42:27 < Steffanx> hmm where did stvn come from?
2018-08-18T00:46:28 < Streaker> Same place everyone comes from!
2018-08-18T00:47:07 < cpctr> MY DADS BALLS
2018-08-18T00:47:14 < Steffanx> im not convinced.
2018-08-18T00:51:23 < Laurenceb__> they put µSD connector right under the ant
2018-08-18T00:51:39 < cpctr> professional
2018-08-18T00:53:43 < Laurenceb__> how antenna formed
2018-08-18T00:54:05 < Laurenceb__> found the FCC test data for the module
2018-08-18T00:54:14 < Laurenceb__> and for my usb dongle
2018-08-18T00:54:21 < Laurenceb__> looks like ~15dB being lost
2018-08-18T00:54:49 < Laurenceb__> wonder if it will self destruct with max power wifi
2018-08-18T00:56:07 < Laurenceb__> antenna design: emdrive tier
2018-08-18T00:56:22 < Steffanx> what pro tools did Laurenceb__ use to do those measurements?
2018-08-18T00:56:39 < Laurenceb__> muh lunix bluetooth toolz
2018-08-18T00:56:44 < Laurenceb__> muh rssi
2018-08-18T00:57:00 < Steffanx> aha
2018-08-18T00:57:11 < cpctr> ty
2018-08-18T00:57:24 < Laurenceb__> then match with FCC test report
2018-08-18T00:58:10 < Laurenceb__> and stuck them at either end of a wooden pole
2018-08-18T01:05:10 < Laurenceb__> like ur mom
2018-08-18T01:05:26 < Steffanx> i love you too Laurenceb__
2018-08-18T01:06:14 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiM4iszWJEA
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2018-08-18T01:13:11 < Cracki> hah so many weebs would be conflicted over this, girls (good) and guns (eeevil)
2018-08-18T01:13:55 < cpctr> wtf was that
2018-08-18T01:14:36 < englishman> why did you get that laurence
2018-08-18T01:14:53 < Cracki> ah, just bb guns
2018-08-18T01:15:52 < cpctr> maybe those airsoft things idk
2018-08-18T01:16:01 < englishman> wtf those arent real guns
2018-08-18T01:16:03 < englishman> and type89 is trash
2018-08-18T01:16:03 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Tdn7BOaeA
2018-08-18T01:16:56 < cpctr> lol waifus
2018-08-18T01:17:05 < catphish> zyp: design is begun: https://i.imgur.com/pNrwhNJ.png
2018-08-18T01:17:08 < Laurenceb__> englishman: cuz project managers thought it would work
2018-08-18T01:17:15 < Laurenceb__> man or woman? https://postimg.cc/image/66lfgboqv/
2018-08-18T01:17:52 < Cracki> not a real man
2018-08-18T01:18:34 < Laurenceb__> they are the 8chan global moderator aiui
2018-08-18T01:19:08 < Laurenceb__> look as strange as they are
2018-08-18T01:21:17 < Cracki> dat face https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dk1XU4jWsAQUhRp.jpg:orig
2018-08-18T01:22:26 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb__: you seem to be so obsessed with traps, one might think there's a bit of curiosity alongside the mockery
2018-08-18T01:22:43 < Laurenceb__> projection
2018-08-18T01:23:09 < BrainDamage> it's not me actively searching for traps
2018-08-18T01:23:51 < Laurenceb__> neither am i
2018-08-18T01:24:05 < Laurenceb__> just seeing who the mods are
2018-08-18T01:24:30 < zyp> Laurenceb__, why are you interested in this?
2018-08-18T01:24:59 < Laurenceb__> because I treat the world like a real life video game
2018-08-18T01:25:30 < Cracki> seeing patterns is normal. noticing them is rare.
2018-08-18T01:25:41 < englishman> zyp, EV story
2018-08-18T01:25:59 < zyp> cool
2018-08-18T01:26:04 < englishman> went downtown last night for a small event, really busy everywhere NO parking, battery super low
2018-08-18T01:26:22 < englishman> go to the last charging station available, it's in a private parking lot and there's a guy outside keeping people out as the parking is full
2018-08-18T01:26:35 < englishman> we ask to go in anyway as we can see the charger is not being used, he lets us in
2018-08-18T01:26:41 < englishman> it is the last space in all of downtown
2018-08-18T01:26:57 < englishman> if we didnt have an EV, we would have had to park far away and take a taxi in
2018-08-18T01:27:03 < zyp> hehe
2018-08-18T01:27:07 < Steffanx> EV master race?
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2018-08-18T01:27:13 < Cracki> check your privilege
2018-08-18T01:27:14 < englishman> turns out there was a really big event that we didnt know about
2018-08-18T01:28:04 < zyp> I had a guy ask me tonight if I knew if he had to pay for parking too while paying for charging
2018-08-18T01:28:17 < cpctr> englishman: efnet news?
2018-08-18T01:28:34 < englishman> no it was not the efnet news causing all the traffic.
2018-08-18T01:28:40 < cpctr> lol
2018-08-18T01:28:55 < cpctr> idk why dong posted it last night
2018-08-18T01:28:59 < zyp> EVs are still free to park in public lots here in this town
2018-08-18T01:29:15 < englishman> cool
2018-08-18T01:29:29 < zyp> I got a story too
2018-08-18T01:29:50 < zyp> wife's car has been showing the brake warning light for a couple of weeks no
2018-08-18T01:29:51 < zyp> now
2018-08-18T01:30:36 < cpctr> that means battery meltdown is imminent 
2018-08-18T01:30:48 < englishman> cool story
2018-08-18T01:30:57 < BrainDamage> have you replaced the light's fluid?
2018-08-18T01:31:57 < catphish> does one drive any further then the nearest garage with a brake warning light?
2018-08-18T01:32:02 < zyp> when the light first showed up a few weeks ago, I suspected the hand brake switch
2018-08-18T01:32:30 < zyp> had to pull out the passenger seat to get at it properly (which were only four bolts)
2018-08-18T01:33:08 < zyp> one of the parts in it seemed to have slipped so I realigned it and put it back, which at first seemed to solve the problem
2018-08-18T01:33:23 < cpctr> if it were a tesla, itd catch fire and start calling everyone a pedo
2018-08-18T01:33:50 < zyp> but it didn't, so I figured it might have slipped again, so I took out the seat and cover again today to check
2018-08-18T01:34:42 < zyp> still looked fine, multimeter confirmed it worked fine, so I figured it had to be something else, and put shit back together
2018-08-18T01:35:09 < zyp> another reason for the light would be low brake fluid, but I already checked that before, level was within the marked range
2018-08-18T01:35:30 < zyp> but I figured what the hell, bought a bottle and topped it up
2018-08-18T01:35:48 < zyp> that solved it, so I guess the sensor is too sensitive
2018-08-18T01:35:58 < catphish> that was quite the tale
2018-08-18T01:36:20 < zyp> turns out I got rid of one warning light, caused another
2018-08-18T01:36:25 < zyp> now the SRS light is lit
2018-08-18T01:36:29 < catphish> :(
2018-08-18T01:36:45 < englishman> swedish gremlins
2018-08-18T01:37:13 < zyp> googled around, apparently that can happen when powering up the car with seatbelt sensors disconnected
2018-08-18T01:37:17 < zyp> i.e. when I had the seat out
2018-08-18T01:37:32 < catphish> makes sense
2018-08-18T01:37:44 < zyp> according to some forum I found, that throws an error code that needs to be cleared
2018-08-18T01:37:59 < zyp> so now I need to get an obd2 interface to fix that :p
2018-08-18T01:38:06 < englishman> just get a cheap elm327
2018-08-18T01:38:08 < englishman> from amazon
2018-08-18T01:38:12 < catphish> zyp: what vehicle?
2018-08-18T01:38:29 < zyp> peugeot ion, which is basically a rebranded mitsubishi i-miev
2018-08-18T01:38:30 < catphish> you normally need (pirated) specialist software to clear fault codes
2018-08-18T01:38:37 < englishman> not at all
2018-08-18T01:38:48 < englishman> elm327 bluetooth for $10 + free app
2018-08-18T01:38:59 < catphish> englishman: really?
2018-08-18T01:39:19 < catphish> englishman: i thought you could mostly just access the basic readouts with free software
2018-08-18T01:39:35 < englishman> yeah, first, dtc's usually have a standardized system to reset them, so any garage can do the reset
2018-08-18T01:39:51 < englishman> but with elm327, all of that basic stuff becomes much easier
2018-08-18T01:39:59 < catphish> interesting, i use VCDS for my VW stuff, i thought the generic interfaces were super useless
2018-08-18T01:40:08 < englishman> well vcds unlocks a ton more stuff
2018-08-18T01:40:20 < englishman> obdeleven is its newer, cheaper competition
2018-08-18T01:40:32 < englishman> dtcs are much simpler
2018-08-18T01:40:34 < catphish> internet says generic software can indeed clear some codes
2018-08-18T01:40:48 < englishman> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.prowl.torque&hl=en_CA
2018-08-18T01:40:51 < englishman> this one is pretty popular
2018-08-18T01:41:06 < catphish> it's really just a case of what's pulicly documented vs what someone has reverse engieered and put in their proprietary software
2018-08-18T01:41:13 < englishman> pretty much
2018-08-18T01:41:29 < englishman> but anything that causes a dash light is typically easily resettable
2018-08-18T01:41:39 < englishman> there's more complicated stuff, like submodules in vw/volvo etc
2018-08-18T01:41:51 < catphish> interesting, i only ever use vcds, which does so much
2018-08-18T01:41:53 < englishman> i have the volvo factory tool too, and the vcds clone
2018-08-18T01:41:58 < mawk> does a gpio in pullup from pullup-pulldown mode wastes more power than in floating in open drain mode ?
2018-08-18T01:41:58 < catphish> all the different moduels etc
2018-08-18T01:42:13 < mawk> no current is flowing in either case
2018-08-18T01:42:19 < zyp> I've been meaning to get a VCDS cable for the e-golf, but last I checked they only had ridiculous shipping costs
2018-08-18T01:42:38 < zyp> I don't mind the price of the cable so much, but I'm not interested in paying just as much to have it shipped here
2018-08-18T01:42:43 < englishman> might want to check into e-golf compatbility of this https://obdeleven.com/en/
2018-08-18T01:43:00 < catphish> zyp: annoying, i'm afraid i use pirated clones :(
2018-08-18T01:43:12 < catphish> which cost basically nothing on ebay
2018-08-18T01:43:18 < zyp> pirating VCDS seems like too much hassle
2018-08-18T01:43:37 < englishman> obd11 says it supports 2012 and up egolf
2018-08-18T01:43:38 < cpctr> hmmmm
2018-08-18T01:43:39 < zyp> if I'm to bother with it at all, I'll get a genuine one
2018-08-18T01:43:54 < zyp> englishman, but I want VCDS to change parameters and shit
2018-08-18T01:43:55 < catphish> of course one should get a genuine one
2018-08-18T01:44:04 < englishman> yeah obd11 does that
2018-08-18T01:44:16 < zyp> oh, cool
2018-08-18T01:44:17 < englishman> its really a vcds clone by poles or something
2018-08-18T01:44:21 < Steffanx> i just pirated the fiat tooling, worked like a charm as long as it was a crappy chinese odb2 adapter
2018-08-18T01:44:24 < englishman> that works with an app
2018-08-18T01:44:26 < catphish> zyp: i have for you some more questions if you have a min
2018-08-18T01:44:30 < Steffanx> damn some of them are terrible. ( the usb ones )
2018-08-18T01:44:38 < englishman> you can download the app and see all the things it can do to your car
2018-08-18T01:44:55 < englishman> Activation of automatic mirror dip with reverse gear
2018-08-18T01:44:55 < Steffanx> *it wasnt
2018-08-18T01:44:59 < zyp> catphish, was just about to head to bed
2018-08-18T01:45:22 < zyp> englishman, already have that shit, don't really like it
2018-08-18T01:45:26 < zyp> (mirror-dip)
2018-08-18T01:45:34 < catphish> no worries, maybe just one question then: what size are all the passives on that board?
2018-08-18T01:45:42 < catphish> they all look identical and neat
2018-08-18T01:45:42 < zyp> mine? 0603
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2018-08-18T01:45:46 < catphish> thanks :)
2018-08-18T01:46:04 < englishman> vcds is definitely good stuff
2018-08-18T01:46:09 < catphish> i used a weird combination and it came out a mess: 
2018-08-18T01:46:10 < catphish> https://i.imgur.com/pNrwhNJ.png
2018-08-18T01:46:15 < catphish> i'll rework it :)
2018-08-18T01:46:29 < englishman> build up your libraries now, you'll thank yourself later
2018-08-18T01:46:56 < catphish> i have a stack of interesting obd2 cables, mostly for vag though
2018-08-18T01:47:10 < englishman> https://streamable.com/62fem
2018-08-18T01:47:45 < catphish> had a car that needed a new speedo, turns out to replace a speedo you have to patch the VIN of the car into the eeprom of the replacement
2018-08-18T01:47:49 < mawk> I'm using a transistor to turn off peripherals when not needed, but then all the data lines going to it need to be anything but pulled down, otherwise that's a path to ground
2018-08-18T01:47:53 < catphish> that was fun :)
2018-08-18T01:47:56 < mawk> so I either pull them up, or I make them floating
2018-08-18T01:48:18 < mawk> and floating looks like it can be made using open drain mode
2018-08-18T01:48:35 < BrainDamage> are the data lines with external pullup or what?
2018-08-18T01:48:40 < englishman> it's a good use case of OD yeah
2018-08-18T01:48:51 < BrainDamage> don't leave lines floating
2018-08-18T01:48:51 < BrainDamage> it's bad for EMI
2018-08-18T01:49:22 < mawk> no BrainDamage 
2018-08-18T01:49:41 < BrainDamage> shorted to ground or shorted to vdd doesn't matter for power consumption
2018-08-18T01:49:48 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-18T01:49:52 < BrainDamage> it's path from vdd to ground that does dissipate
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2018-08-18T01:50:00 < mawk> but gpio pull-up pull-down mode has its own power consumption
2018-08-18T01:50:08 < mawk> which for instance gpio pins in analog mode don't have
2018-08-18T01:50:23 < Steffanx> https://code.fb.com/connectivity/open-sourcing-facebooks-solar-powered-aircraft-design-tools/ better get started kakimir
2018-08-18T01:50:27 < Steffanx> werent you totally into that?
2018-08-18T01:52:36 < Laurenceb__> interdasting
2018-08-18T01:53:26 < Laurenceb__> >Recent progress in battery technology
2018-08-18T01:53:28 < Laurenceb__> nope
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2018-08-18T02:00:13 < Steffanx> Yes progress in the measurement of vibrating babies is much better :P
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2018-08-18T02:01:45 < cpctr> wtf am i reading
2018-08-18T02:01:50 < cpctr> is this a saturday thing?
2018-08-18T02:03:39 < Cracki> you wouldn't want to vibrate a battery or charge a babby
2018-08-18T02:04:10 < cpctr> a 20 piece set
2018-08-18T02:05:12 < Cracki> fucking kamikaze moths!
2018-08-18T02:06:40 < Cracki> bastard has no better idea than to zoom around and hit me right in the face
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2018-08-18T02:08:47 < Laurenceb__> upgrdman: is there documentation for ur .jar plotter program?
2018-08-18T02:09:54  * Laurenceb__ grabs the zip
2018-08-18T02:09:58 < Laurenceb__> inb4 goatse
2018-08-18T02:11:36 < Laurenceb__> > * The data structure of a binary packet can be defined interactively by the user, or by loading a layout file.
2018-08-18T02:11:39 < Laurenceb__> holy sheeet
2018-08-18T02:12:58 < Laurenceb__> its probably sophisticated enough to read wav logfiles
2018-08-18T02:15:06 < Cracki> header skip eh
2018-08-18T02:18:35 < jadew> has anyone else noticed how men talked like ducks in older TV recordings, but now they all have radio voices
2018-08-18T02:18:43 < jadew> that goes for public officials too
2018-08-18T02:19:44 < jadew> was that some sort of distortion or is that how they thought they should speak?
2018-08-18T02:19:53 < Laurenceb__> hmm this looks harder
2018-08-18T02:20:00 < Cracki> recording tech was shit perhaps
2018-08-18T02:20:21 < Cracki> also people discovered the audio equalizer
2018-08-18T02:20:26 < Laurenceb__> maybe I should write a standalone program that receives data via stdin
2018-08-18T02:20:37 < cpctr> TEKTRONIX
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2018-08-18T02:21:34 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-08-18T02:21:45 < Laurenceb__> an oscilloscope plugged into the laptop
2018-08-18T02:23:20 < Laurenceb__> self contained program that receives a line of csv config with channel names and number of bits
2018-08-18T02:23:27 < Laurenceb__> then binary data via stdin
2018-08-18T02:23:32 < Laurenceb__> sounds easy enough
2018-08-18T02:24:15 < Cracki> and then plots that stuff?
2018-08-18T02:24:23 < Laurenceb__> yes
2018-08-18T02:24:46 < Cracki> maybe do that with matlab or labview
2018-08-18T02:24:59 < Cracki> :P
2018-08-18T02:25:33 < Laurenceb__> it'd kill the cpu
2018-08-18T02:25:38 < Cracki> not sure
2018-08-18T02:25:52 < Cracki> from what I hear about labview, that *is* what it's made for
2018-08-18T02:25:58 < Laurenceb__> actually worst case is only 10 channels at 2khz
2018-08-18T02:26:04 < Laurenceb__> labview would work yeah
2018-08-18T02:26:47 < Cracki> not sure if matlab or labview uses gpu-accelerated drawing... I know qtcharts has that and I've seen a python module that's a high performance replacement of matplotlib
2018-08-18T02:27:41 < Laurenceb__> maybe I should try qtcharts rather than that 20k line crazy thing I have atm
2018-08-18T02:27:45 < Cracki> in any case, 2ks/s * 10 channels * what, 10 seconds? that's still a manageable amount of points
2018-08-18T02:27:55 < Cracki> qtcharts is shit for interaction tho
2018-08-18T02:28:03 < Laurenceb__> ah
2018-08-18T02:28:08 < emeb> lol - installed a new cable modem sent out from my ISP. Bastards shut off the status webpages on it but left the spectrum analyzer open: https://www.dropbox.com/s/y2wgj9srxrljyau/cm8200_analyzer.png?dl=0
2018-08-18T02:28:09 < Laurenceb__> max 30s
2018-08-18T02:28:14 < Cracki> that 23k crazy thing probably has all kinds of convenience
2018-08-18T02:28:32 < Cracki> 600k points for 30 sec
2018-08-18T02:28:43 < Laurenceb__> yeah it seems to work and doesnt kill the cpu
2018-08-18T02:29:04 < Cracki> matplotlib would choke on that because it does all on the cpu and it does antialiasing
2018-08-18T02:29:09 < Laurenceb__> might try it next week
2018-08-18T02:29:21 < Laurenceb__> today I killed the influxdb server
2018-08-18T02:29:23 < Cracki> qtcharts could handle 600k points surely, and I'm sure this qcustomplot thing will too
2018-08-18T02:29:39 < Cracki> what kinda storage does that joke even have
2018-08-18T02:29:40 < Laurenceb__> tried to load 2 hours of 8 channel 24 bit audio at 48ksps
2018-08-18T02:29:50 < Cracki> out of memory?
2018-08-18T02:30:06 < Cracki> that's 8 gigs of data
2018-08-18T02:30:17 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2018-08-18T02:30:23 < Laurenceb__> not enough ram
2018-08-18T02:30:58 < Laurenceb__> >storing high spec audio in a database
2018-08-18T02:30:58 < Cracki> some hipster wrote a "database" without knowing what memmap is
2018-08-18T02:31:26 < Laurenceb__> inb4 4k video in a database
2018-08-18T02:32:03 < Cracki> not unreasonable... if done right
2018-08-18T02:32:10 < Laurenceb__> it runs at 1/2 real time using all cores on a xeon
2018-08-18T02:32:23 < Cracki> content based image retrieval would be one application
2018-08-18T02:32:51 < Cracki> sure if it stores a record per sample
2018-08-18T02:33:01 < Cracki> stupid thing has no clue what a sampling rate is
2018-08-18T02:35:46 < upgrdman> Laurenceb__, no docs yet. :( youtube vids are my docs for now
2018-08-18T02:36:05 < Laurenceb__> k
2018-08-18T02:36:17 < Laurenceb__> do you set the layout using the gui?
2018-08-18T02:36:34 < Laurenceb__> it wont run on my laptop cuz I have ancient opensores java
2018-08-18T02:36:48 < upgrdman> also, if i stop being a lazy shit, i have a new version to release, with support for UDP and TCP and some other nice features
2018-08-18T02:37:18 < Laurenceb__> oh that might actually be perfect
2018-08-18T02:37:21 < Laurenceb__> for muh gui
2018-08-18T02:37:30 < upgrdman> ya a "layout" is just a way to save the data structure definition and chart placements
2018-08-18T02:37:42 < Laurenceb__> ok
2018-08-18T02:37:52 < Laurenceb__> its saved in a file?
2018-08-18T02:38:05 < upgrdman> the program does not currently have a way to visualize data from a file, it needs to be fed live shit over uart/udp/tcp
2018-08-18T02:38:09 < upgrdman> ya
2018-08-18T02:38:35 < Laurenceb__> ok cool
2018-08-18T02:39:03 < upgrdman> but ya, my youtube vids will hold your hand and walk you through it all
2018-08-18T02:39:20 < upgrdman> might be a bit annoying though, i aim my vids at makers ;)
2018-08-18T02:39:21 < Laurenceb__> atm my "thread manager" thread outputs aligned blocks of samples at 1khz
2018-08-18T02:43:27 < upgrdman> Laurenceb__, one note, my software converts everything into float32_t's. so dont expect perfect math, this is not a proper engineering tool.
2018-08-18T02:43:44 < upgrdman> e.g. don't expect histogram bins to be perfectly aligned, etc.
2018-08-18T02:43:45 < Laurenceb__> ok
2018-08-18T02:44:09 < Laurenceb__> should be simple enough to add a packetiser to my thread manager/aligner
2018-08-18T02:44:41 < upgrdman> i plan to eventually support integer/double math, but for now i make my life easy and use floats for everything the gpu needs to see
2018-08-18T02:50:03 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/I82Ky5K.jpg
2018-08-18T02:50:55 < Laurenceb__> socket tier: murican
2018-08-18T02:51:30 < upgrdman> lol
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2018-08-18T03:26:14 < dongs> nice nice. gtx2080 pics leaking, not a single card with DVI
2018-08-18T03:26:18 < dongs> fucking finally
2018-08-18T03:26:31 < dongs> death to that faggot connector
2018-08-18T03:28:00 < englishman> dongs: https://www.cnews.cz/nvidia-geforce-gtx-2080-referencni-chladic-dva-ventilatory
2018-08-18T03:28:13 < englishman> wtf
2018-08-18T03:28:17 < englishman> thats a 1050
2018-08-18T03:28:32 < englishman> https://www.cnews.cz/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-2080-1180-PCB-Baidu-01.jpg
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2018-08-18T03:28:52 < englishman> nice traces
2018-08-18T03:29:08 < dongs> ya the second is more like it
2018-08-18T03:29:17 < dongs> see the dualrole footprint for usb-c or DP
2018-08-18T03:29:21 < englishman> yea
2018-08-18T03:29:23 < englishman> just one tho?
2018-08-18T03:29:37 < dongs> one usbc, and 3 dp/1 hdmi
2018-08-18T03:29:46 < Laurenceb__> muh tensorflow
2018-08-18T03:29:57 < englishman> i guess usbc displays are still pretty new / macshit
2018-08-18T03:30:17 < dongs> well its just usb-c, >dp dongle is like $5 in a thin cable
2018-08-18T03:30:21 < englishman> might actually be worth upgrading from the nvs510
2018-08-18T03:30:23 < Laurenceb__> someone badly needs to make a decent self driving car system
2018-08-18T03:30:49 < Laurenceb__> all the neural network shit looks good enough to make it work with just cameras now
2018-08-18T03:31:21 < Laurenceb__> but nobody seems to have done the relativly easy bit of time/space/multicamera filtering the data
2018-08-18T03:31:28 < englishman> backside https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1180-2080-PCB_1-e1533204776271-740x416.jpg
2018-08-18T03:31:47 < dongs> i wonder why ram/pcie traces look so fat
2018-08-18T03:31:53 < dongs> could it be 2oz board all around?
2018-08-18T03:32:03 < dongs> but that kinda fucks with design rules
2018-08-18T03:32:46 < dongs> hmm maybe just shitty lighting
2018-08-18T03:33:59 < englishman> whats space/trace on 2oz
2018-08-18T03:34:10 < englishman> dont think yo ucould do that tiny bga pitch on 2oz
2018-08-18T03:34:38 < dongs> yea no
2018-08-18T03:35:23 < dongs> anywayz great news, mayeb  by end of year i can have a proper gaming rig
2018-08-18T03:35:59 < englishman> Your connection is not private
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2018-08-18T03:35:59 < englishman> NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID
2018-08-18T03:36:13 < dongs> lool
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2018-08-18T03:36:25 < dongs> garbage
2018-08-18T03:36:38 < dongs> 63
2018-08-18T03:36:38 < dongs> :
2018-08-18T03:36:39 < dongs> 23
2018-08-18T03:36:39 < dongs> :
2018-08-18T03:36:39 < dongs> 24
2018-08-18T03:36:41 < dongs> #BeForTheGame
2018-08-18T03:36:45 < dongs> is that for 2080 announcement?
2018-08-18T03:38:07 < englishman> gamescom in cologne
2018-08-18T03:49:16 < Cracki> I heard they announced its raytracing capabilities at SIGGRAPH
2018-08-18T03:49:29 < Cracki> something about billions of rays per second
2018-08-18T03:49:34 < dongs> i thought raytracing was hotshit in like 1995
2018-08-18T03:49:42 < dongs> why does it matter today
2018-08-18T03:49:48 < Cracki> hw support for intersection tests sounds like a good idea
2018-08-18T03:49:58 < Cracki> ray tracing is hot shit again because better graphics
2018-08-18T03:51:01 < Cracki> https://video.golem.de/games/21620/nvidia-rtx-raytracing-demo.html
2018-08-18T03:55:33 < Cracki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=20&v=gTbWVt2_OWc
2018-08-18T03:55:40 < Cracki> lel 500 tera-operations int4
2018-08-18T03:55:47 < Cracki> like who uses four bit ints for what?
2018-08-18T03:56:32 < Cracki> I can see that for some inference tasks... but oh my god the error
2018-08-18T03:56:55 < dongs> dick learning
2018-08-18T03:58:08 < Cracki> deep dicking
2018-08-18T03:58:57 < Cracki> 10 gigarays/sec is 75 fps for 4K and 4x4 ray/pixel oversampling
2018-08-18T03:59:15 < Cracki> they aren't... dicking around
2018-08-18T03:59:31 < dongs> how does that translate into nigga-rays
2018-08-18T04:00:13 < Cracki> those are rounded to black
2018-08-18T04:00:23 < Laurenceb__> first person who manages a coherent time/space/view filtering system for muh neural networx makes gigabux
2018-08-18T04:00:33 < Cracki> wat
2018-08-18T04:01:07 < Laurenceb__> all this single jerb network shit
2018-08-18T04:01:18 < Cracki> multi view geometry is just geometry and crunching pixels. getting depth from multiple cameras is a "solved" problem
2018-08-18T04:01:36 < Cracki> coherent meaning someone figures out how to make real intelligence?
2018-08-18T04:01:55 < Cracki> that might happen when the right people get the right resources
2018-08-18T04:02:00 < dongs> incoherent: what laurence/b/ is
2018-08-18T04:02:20 < dongs> y/y/y
2018-08-18T04:02:25 < Cracki> the "ingredients" I think lead to real intelligence have been known for a decade at least, yet nobody has managed something that learns properly
2018-08-18T04:02:44 < Laurenceb__> sure its easy
2018-08-18T04:02:51 < Cracki> "easy"? nah
2018-08-18T04:04:15 < Laurenceb__> need a dedicated library for self driving cars
2018-08-18T04:05:29 < Cracki> need a way to keep the intelligence from spacing out because the task is so mind-numbing
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2018-08-18T04:11:48 < jadew> Cracki, I think the best that was done so far was to emulate a brain, but that doesn't tell us much
2018-08-18T04:11:59 < Cracki> right.
2018-08-18T04:12:10 < Cracki> mouse brain or something
2018-08-18T04:12:12 < jadew> we need to understand the abstraction in order to make anything useful with just software
2018-08-18T04:12:14 < jadew> yeah
2018-08-18T04:12:32 < Cracki> nobody knows what they simulated, they just crunched some numbers. the thing had no body it could move
2018-08-18T04:13:31 < Cracki> I'm glad everyone is riding on this gigantic waste of compute resources that is deep learning
2018-08-18T04:14:08 < Cracki> I'm frightened that when someone made real intelligence work, the world will have so much compute capability standing around that we'll have a Hard Takeoff
2018-08-18T04:14:52 < dongs> not if they keep learning with INT4s
2018-08-18T04:14:55 < Cracki> musk has the right idea. we must develop machine intelligence as an extension of our selves
2018-08-18T04:15:13 < jadew> Cracki, funny you came to the same conclusion I did
2018-08-18T04:15:23 < Cracki> it's the obvious conclusion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2018-08-18T04:15:52 < jadew> indeed, it's the only way to keep it under control
2018-08-18T04:16:21 < jadew> otherwise we won't know what we've made, and even then there's going to be the question of who you are
2018-08-18T04:16:21 < Cracki> just shifts the problem
2018-08-18T04:16:29 < Cracki> now your problem is how to keep *humans* under control
2018-08-18T04:16:35 < Cracki> you still have a hard takeoff
2018-08-18T04:16:56 < jadew> at least someone will know what's happening
2018-08-18T04:17:02 < Cracki> only guided directly by a human (at least potentially) instead of a runaway machine
2018-08-18T04:17:42 < jadew> but once you hook into this, you're no longer human
2018-08-18T04:17:46 < Cracki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2018-08-18T04:18:10 < Cracki> the problem I see: the political positions of whoever takes off first
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2018-08-18T04:18:26 < Cracki> a rightie might figure "don't tread on me" and leave humanity in peace
2018-08-18T04:18:41 < Cracki> a leftie might figure "I need to turn you all into paperclips because that's how IT SHOULD BE"
2018-08-18T04:18:46 < jadew> you'll eventually expand so much that your biological brain & body will be a mere appendice
2018-08-18T04:19:05 < Cracki> our neocortex is a layer on top of older structures
2018-08-18T04:19:12 < jadew> I don't think lefties will have access to this sort of technology
2018-08-18T04:19:15 < Cracki> but we can't be ourselves without them
2018-08-18T04:19:26 < jadew> they're all studying social sciences
2018-08-18T04:19:28 < Cracki> tons of lefties in academia
2018-08-18T04:19:39 < Cracki> actually no
2018-08-18T04:19:49 < Cracki> I know someone who is very deranged and he works in theoretical CS
2018-08-18T04:20:03 < Cracki> I'm glad it's theoretical cs and not something with immediate real world implications
2018-08-18T04:20:09 < jadew> heh
2018-08-18T04:20:43 < Cracki> it's kinda like nerd sniping
2018-08-18T04:20:56 < Cracki> they found a puzzle and they're now stuck in it
2018-08-18T04:21:05 < Cracki> and that's where they ought to stay
2018-08-18T04:21:15 < jadew> hah
2018-08-18T04:22:17 < Cracki> I hope I'm not getting stuck in some automotive sector... but that's one of the most stable ways to build AI
2018-08-18T04:22:34 < Cracki> tons of data, tons of money
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2018-08-18T04:23:07 < Cracki> and no crazies who fear the "dual uses" because it's "just dumb cars" right?
2018-08-18T04:23:17 < Cracki> just a carriage, only horseless
2018-08-18T04:23:55 < jadew> I've been thinking about AI my whole life, but never studied it properly
2018-08-18T04:24:11 < jadew> mainly because none of the approaches seemed good
2018-08-18T04:24:16 < Cracki> don't bother, what they teach as AI is statistics
2018-08-18T04:24:22 < jadew> all we have so far is imitations
2018-08-18T04:24:43 < Cracki> the approaches consist of bashing numbers until they slither into the right shape
2018-08-18T04:25:27 < Cracki> the "learning" is imposed, not inherent
2018-08-18T04:26:20 < jadew> yeah, but that wouldn't be necessarily bad, if we knew exactly how intelligence works
2018-08-18T04:26:41 < jadew> then you could isolate the processes and make something that learns, more than it does other things
2018-08-18T04:28:22 < Cracki> I think they -> too ran into a tar pit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchical_temporal_memory
2018-08-18T04:30:16 < Cracki> they talk about "inference" and "generation" mode, which tells me they are stuck
2018-08-18T04:31:32 < jadew> lots of bad approaches
2018-08-18T04:31:40 < jadew> the immitating biology path is also wrong
2018-08-18T04:31:53 < jadew> there's no value in simmulating neurons
2018-08-18T04:32:15 < jadew> you don't want reflexes and other similar mechanisms
2018-08-18T04:32:17 < jadew> you want reason
2018-08-18T04:32:24 < Cracki> intelligence isn't reason
2018-08-18T04:32:41 < Cracki> intelligence is cognition
2018-08-18T04:33:00 < jadew> what's the difference?
2018-08-18T04:33:20 < jadew> ok, googled it
2018-08-18T04:33:39 < jadew> no, that's useless
2018-08-18T04:34:05 < jadew> what good is it if it can store and understand things if it can't use them?
2018-08-18T04:34:26 < jadew> we're after reason, not just cognition
2018-08-18T04:34:32 < jadew> *useless on its own
2018-08-18T04:36:05 < bitmask> I'm taking an AI course right now, a bit disappointing but we also skipped most of the book.  
2018-08-18T04:37:07 < jadew> I'm off too bed
2018-08-18T04:37:09 < jadew> night
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2018-08-18T04:57:11 < dongs> holy shit camtastic is fucking garbage
2018-08-18T04:57:32 < dongs> more like fucktastic
2018-08-18T04:57:47 < dongs> doesnt even follow mouse/scroll settings (and doesn't have its own)
2018-08-18T05:03:57 < Cracki> wat
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2018-08-18T05:04:13 < Cracki> ah, altium stuff
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2018-08-18T05:11:02 < dongs> ya its fucking awful
2018-08-18T05:11:11 < dongs> i think its some shit they bolted on and never cared much about
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2018-08-18T05:19:19 < cpctr> VODAFONE YOU FUCKING CUNTS
2018-08-18T05:44:16 < cpctr> you shtole me dog!
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2018-08-18T05:56:48 < cpctr> hi cracky
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2018-08-18T06:14:02 < catphish> can the serial programming interface be used for debug output (printf style)?
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2018-08-18T06:15:13 < Sadale> I think it's possible to implement a low level function that printf calls. You just have to implement that function so that whatever get printed would go to the serial port tx.
2018-08-18T06:15:36 < Sadale> But it really depends on the library and toolchain you use.
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2018-08-18T06:17:47 < Sadale> Another way to do that is to use sprintf. Define a buffer, throw the parameters into sprintf and write to the buffer you've defined, then write that buffer to UART and that's it.
2018-08-18T06:18:00 < catphish> sorry, i mis-asked
2018-08-18T06:18:17 < catphish> i'm not interested in the high level functions at all, rather whether the hardware is capable of doing this
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2018-08-18T06:36:21 < englishman> of course
2018-08-18T06:36:29 < englishman> oh wait you mean the SWD interface?
2018-08-18T06:36:39 < englishman> only higher end chips have SWO
2018-08-18T06:36:59 < upgrdman> are there any bluetooth earbuds that does suck ass?
2018-08-18T06:37:23 < upgrdman> *dont suck ass
2018-08-18T06:37:32 < englishman> yes
2018-08-18T06:37:45 < catphish> englishman: yes, SWD, just want to send data from the mcu to a debug pc connected to swd
2018-08-18T06:38:00 < englishman> on L0 right
2018-08-18T06:38:05 < catphish> yeah
2018-08-18T06:38:10 < englishman> i dont think that any cortex-m0 has swo
2018-08-18T06:38:12 < englishman> tho i may be wrong
2018-08-18T06:38:26 < catphish> if i can't, i'll just add a uart to my debug cable
2018-08-18T06:38:29 < englishman> SWO	Output (optional)	Serial wire output, allowing the CPU to output custom data like printf output, asynchronous to SWCLK and other debug pins. Usually shared with the TDO pin on devices which support JTAG and SWD. Not available on all devices which support SWD.
2018-08-18T06:39:18 < catphish> ah, a separate pin, don't think i have that available, i'll just use a usart, thanks :)
2018-08-18T07:00:41 < cpctr> cool
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2018-08-18T08:41:27 < emeryth> catphish: you could always use Segger RTT
2018-08-18T08:43:02 < cpctr> Supported by ARM Cortex-M0/M0+/M1/M3/M4/M7/M23/M33 and Renesas RX100/200/600
2018-08-18T08:43:12 < emeryth> and with openocd you can even use it over st-link
2018-08-18T08:45:56 < dongs> ST's F0 doesn't support SWO
2018-08-18T08:50:14 < cpctr> the dogs
2018-08-18T08:50:25 < dongs> You’ve reached your article limit
2018-08-18T08:50:26 < dongs> Sign up to keep reading or subscribe now to get full access to The Economist via print, online and our apps.
2018-08-18T08:50:30 < dongs> fuck off already
2018-08-18T08:50:41 < cpctr> ??
2018-08-18T08:50:49 < dongs> i've never clicked ecucnomist link
2018-08-18T08:50:57 < dongs> but when I did, it asked me to accept some faggot cookies
2018-08-18T08:51:00 < cpctr> yeah who would ://
2018-08-18T08:51:02 < dongs> and after that, refreshed th page
2018-08-18T08:51:08 < dongs> eating up my "3 free articles"
2018-08-18T08:51:08 < dongs> Lol
2018-08-18T08:51:14 < cpctr> the cunts
2018-08-18T08:52:24 < dongs> clearing their filthy cookies works
2018-08-18T08:52:27 < dongs> and resets the counter
2018-08-18T08:52:32 < dongs> retards
2018-08-18T08:52:32 < cpctr> neaet
2018-08-18T08:52:54 < dongs> dicknpalce done, now i can innovate again
2018-08-18T08:54:16 < cpctr> is 18.1.8 a beta?
2018-08-18T08:54:29 < dongs> i thought all 1.x are
2018-08-18T08:55:21 < dongs> Something big is happening to PC gaming—the ultimate tear-free, stutter-free, 4K HDR 65-inch Big Format Gaming Displays. Only for enthusiast gamers. Only from NVIDIA.
2018-08-18T08:55:24 < dongs> haha
2018-08-18T08:55:27 < dongs> wtf
2018-08-18T08:56:17 < cpctr> yeah nah 
2018-08-18T08:56:27 < cpctr> i'd like to see that
2018-08-18T08:57:01 < cpctr> i got muh 1060 back so i don't need to sperg out on a 1070-1080 now
2018-08-18T08:57:02 < dongs> it will come wiht gaysync
2018-08-18T08:57:07 < cpctr> oh yay
2018-08-18T08:57:14 < dongs> so it'll be like $3k to start + whatever 
2018-08-18T08:57:22 < cpctr> oh yeah
2018-08-18T08:57:36 < cpctr> do there even exist games worth playing?
2018-08-18T08:57:39 < dongs> if  2080 is as cheap as leaked news claims im buyin that shit and making a new gaming rig
2018-08-18T08:57:39 < dongs> to play minecraft in 4K
2018-08-18T08:57:40 < dongs> no
2018-08-18T08:57:46 < cpctr> cool
2018-08-18T08:57:52 < cpctr> also muh bitcoins?
2018-08-18T08:58:07 < dongs> arent shitcoiners dying anyway
2018-08-18T08:58:15 < cpctr> hope so
2018-08-18T08:58:17 < dongs> GTX1080 at least in JP is at normal price
2018-08-18T08:58:22 < dongs> and nvidia store is always in stock @ msrp
2018-08-18T08:58:28 < cpctr> if they all neck themselves i'll be happy
2018-08-18T08:59:00 < dongs> https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/geforce-store/ hm ti is out of stock
2018-08-18T08:59:04 < dongs> but everything else isnt
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2018-08-18T08:59:57 < cpctr> an den nvidia own 99% of bittokoinu
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2018-08-18T09:29:00 < englishman> cpctr: 
2018-08-18T09:29:00 < englishman> Altium Designer Beta 18.1.9 Build 240
2018-08-18T09:31:08 < cpctr> hi sir
2018-08-18T09:31:14 < dongs> still no changelog for 1.8 either
2018-08-18T09:31:18 < dongs> fucking lazy ausfags
2018-08-18T09:31:24 < cpctr> yeah they're dumb cunts
2018-08-18T09:31:30 < cpctr> they employed dave jones
2018-08-18T09:31:33 < cpctr> that speaks volumes.
2018-08-18T09:31:41 < dongs> well, employed
2018-08-18T09:31:44 < dongs> past tense
2018-08-18T09:31:47 < dongs> so hopefully they DID smart up
2018-08-18T09:31:50 < cpctr> until he burned the factory down
2018-08-18T09:32:00 < englishman> he was likely the cause of the fpga madness
2018-08-18T09:32:04 < cpctr> because his hakko fx888 didn't have an LED on when it reached temperature
2018-08-18T09:32:12 < cpctr> cause of any madness
2018-08-18T09:32:12 < dongs> they've finally removed most of that trash
2018-08-18T09:32:22 < cpctr> and that is why I'm happy
2018-08-18T09:32:28 < dongs> there's something new in 18.x about pinswapping
2018-08-18T09:32:33 < dongs> it could be handy for stm32 but
2018-08-18T09:32:34 < cpctr> still put 10k AUD down for less
2018-08-18T09:32:36 < dongs> takes so much work to setup
2018-08-18T09:32:38 < cpctr> but lol anyway
2018-08-18T09:32:46 < cpctr> thats what they're pumping on the mailing list
2018-08-18T09:32:56 < cpctr> GET THE ADVANCED TRAINING - featuring PINSWAPPING
2018-08-18T09:33:00 < cpctr> hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
2018-08-18T09:33:05 < cpctr> so advanceeee
2018-08-18T09:33:24 < cpctr> i just change my netlabels manually
2018-08-18T09:34:33 < englishman> dong, finally got a line on some cheap leaf cells, 16S BMS and charger
2018-08-18T09:34:42 < englishman> these lead-acids are already dying after like 150km
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2018-08-18T09:35:41 < dongs> nice
2018-08-18T09:36:21 < englishman> theres a bunch of wiring and loose leads and shit to undo
2018-08-18T09:36:23 < englishman> real chinese
2018-08-18T09:36:38 < englishman> theres a couple stripped, bare wires just hanging around
2018-08-18T09:36:41 < dongs> someone had it pre-wired?
2018-08-18T09:36:45 < dongs> for somethign
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2018-08-18T09:36:56 < englishman> i think its leads for the starter and stuff they just chopped
2018-08-18T09:37:02 < englishman> no on the atv
2018-08-18T09:37:10 < dongs> i want to get some kei-car EV and fucking turbo that shit up with like 200kWh of batts
2018-08-18T09:37:13 < dongs> and drive it across japan
2018-08-18T09:37:26 < englishman> you could put the batteries in a little trailer
2018-08-18T09:37:34 < dongs> haha
2018-08-18T09:37:37 < englishman> along with charging and camping equip
2018-08-18T09:37:42 < cpctr> hmmm
2018-08-18T09:38:05 < englishman> this little thing hauls a big trailer
2018-08-18T09:38:19 < cpctr> we don't have future power in australia
2018-08-18T09:38:21 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/cBKN4QX.jpg?1
2018-08-18T09:38:24 < cpctr> either way you're burning shit
2018-08-18T09:38:30 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/javmAWB.jpg
2018-08-18T09:38:57 < cpctr> burn coal or burn petroleum 
2018-08-18T09:39:01 < englishman> that thing was full of cement blocks
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2018-08-18T09:42:51 < dongs> https://www.daihatsu.co.jp/lineup/move_canbus/index.htm lul
2018-08-18T09:44:55 < dongs> im pretty sure the jap trolled me with that fucking hybrid logo
2018-08-18T09:45:05 < dongs> i shoulda pulled him over and asked
2018-08-18T09:46:45 < englishman> asked where he got it
2018-08-18T09:46:50 < englishman> so you could put it on yours
2018-08-18T09:47:03 < cpctr> jesus fucking christ its all in gobbledygook
2018-08-18T09:48:22 < dongs> pfft
2018-08-18T09:48:28 < dongs> what did you expect from japs
2018-08-18T09:48:33 < dongs> i was mostly lolling at calling a car 'canbus'
2018-08-18T09:48:34 < cpctr> video games
2018-08-18T09:48:36 < cpctr> waifus
2018-08-18T09:48:37 < cpctr> idk?
2018-08-18T09:48:43  * cpctr tips fedora
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2018-08-18T09:50:49 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/0ghL6yD.png?1
2018-08-18T09:59:09 < cpctr> got yer altium loicence there?
2018-08-18T09:59:31 < cpctr> can i email my sales rep and go WHERE THE FUCK IS MINE MATE?
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2018-08-18T10:01:37 < cpctr> https://i.imgur.com/OyceShk.jpg
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2018-08-18T10:02:24 < dongs> nice gamin rig there
2018-08-18T10:02:38 < cpctr> minimum system requirements mate
2018-08-18T10:02:54 < dongs> i7-stvn
2018-08-18T10:02:58 < cpctr> leleleoolo
2018-08-18T10:03:04 < cpctr> i got the 6700 back too
2018-08-18T10:03:30 < cpctr> i think i'll retire that to entering test results 
2018-08-18T10:05:39 < dongs> still no idea how camcastick managed to fuckup basic shit like distance measurement
2018-08-18T10:06:00 < englishman> whenever i see that tab open i just close it because i know it doesnt mean anything good
2018-08-18T10:06:09 < dongs> haha
2018-08-18T10:06:35 < cpctr> i didn't like it at all
2018-08-18T10:06:49 < cpctr> made me kind of feel dead inside just looking at what it spat out
2018-08-18T10:07:01 < cpctr> the boards come back 100% tho
2018-08-18T10:08:47 < cpctr> i got this fucking monstrosity too https://www.amazon.com.au/AmScope-Widefield-Binocular-Inspection-Microscope/dp/B005C75IVM
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2018-08-18T10:12:41 < englishman> so i sent this mi a1 back to gearbest
2018-08-18T10:12:46 < englishman> they refuse to repair it
2018-08-18T10:12:52 < englishman> and i think they are refusing to ship it back to me too
2018-08-18T10:15:45 < dongs> gearworst
2018-08-18T10:16:27 < englishman> i will use that in my next angry email
2018-08-18T10:17:40 < cpctr> mi a1
2018-08-18T10:18:02 < cpctr> a chingfone
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2018-08-18T10:21:39 < Steffanx> You wanted china you got china..
2018-08-18T10:22:06 < cpctr> you wan
2018-08-18T10:22:33 < cpctr> i want to uhh.... you know, cook some hot dogs
2018-08-18T10:22:37 < cpctr> you like hot dogs?
2018-08-18T10:26:29 < cpctr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA3s9i-HQ7s
2018-08-18T10:30:02 < englishman> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/infinite-world-s-most-versatile-smart-cooler-food-camping#/
2018-08-18T10:30:10 < englishman> cooler coolest cooler
2018-08-18T10:31:10 < cpctr> ah christ.
2018-08-18T10:31:23 < dongs> $230 for that shit fuck off
2018-08-18T10:31:29 < cpctr> is this someones campaign against physics again?
2018-08-18T10:32:28 < cpctr> i'll break their mother's cunt before they break physics
2018-08-18T10:34:12 < englishman> Shoutout to the newest innovation of nanotechnology that replaces electric power to keep the cooler insulated. We’ve developed a special nano-powder insulation material that not only works with current insulation materials on the market, but also reduces thermal conductivity down to only 20%.
2018-08-18T10:41:34 < cpctr> lol
2018-08-18T10:44:46 < Steffanx> Got your new altium yet stvn?
2018-08-18T11:02:54 < cpctr> nope
2018-08-18T11:03:22 < cpctr> this one is good tho
2018-08-18T11:03:37 < cpctr> i noticed a few draw errors but muh
2018-08-18T11:04:52 < cpctr> do you know what i used many year ago mate
2018-08-18T11:06:29 < Steffanx> Was it EAGLE CAD?
2018-08-18T11:06:33 < cpctr> ultiboard
2018-08-18T11:06:37 < Steffanx> Aha
2018-08-18T11:06:38 < cpctr> just before NI acquired it
2018-08-18T11:06:42 < Steffanx> Multisim too?
2018-08-18T11:06:49 < cpctr> yip
2018-08-18T11:08:06 < Steffanx> And you actually used it to simulate circuits?
2018-08-18T11:08:21 < cpctr> yea
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2018-08-18T11:08:56 < Steffanx> Lol
2018-08-18T11:09:00 < cpctr> back in 2004
2018-08-18T11:10:16 < cpctr> dem current mirrors
2018-08-18T11:26:32 < jadew> that infinite cooler thing is huge
2018-08-18T11:26:32 < kakimir> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6073055/Elon-Musk-DID-meet-Azealia-Banks.html 
2018-08-18T11:26:48 < jadew> would have trouble fitting in the trunk of most cars
2018-08-18T11:27:56 < jadew> maybe it's the persepctive... still bigger than your regular cooler box
2018-08-18T11:28:18 < kakimir> elon probs wanted some threesome
2018-08-18T11:31:14 < cpctr> ?
2018-08-18T11:31:39 < kakimir> hmm
2018-08-18T11:31:50 < Steffanx> Boring Blaxterware
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2018-08-18T11:32:05 < kakimir> daily mail has left the most juicy instagram stories of azelia out of the article
2018-08-18T11:32:07 < cpctr> if these cunts use the word mogul one more time, i'm releasing 50 rapists from prison
2018-08-18T11:35:07 < vampi-the-frog> I think mogul means islamic invaders of india
2018-08-18T11:35:17 < cpctr> matriarch is another word that fucking annoys me
2018-08-18T11:35:22 < kakimir> one where she said that elon musk is caveman
2018-08-18T11:35:28 < kakimir> that was funny
2018-08-18T11:35:29 < cpctr> or czar
2018-08-18T11:35:33 < kakimir> Laurenceb: wake up
2018-08-18T11:35:44 < kakimir> there is lulz for you
2018-08-18T11:35:50 < cpctr> worthy of putting a baby in a kiln
2018-08-18T11:36:06 < kakimir> partiarch
2018-08-18T11:36:09 < cpctr> lol
2018-08-18T11:36:18 < cpctr> just as bad
2018-08-18T11:38:00 < kakimir> hmm
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2018-08-18T11:40:23 < kakimir> dailymail articles: "look this boobs some famous person posted on her instagram"
2018-08-18T11:41:17 < kakimir> is this a real news source even
2018-08-18T11:41:34 < kakimir> name implies it is news
2018-08-18T11:42:07 < kakimir> content is gossip and naked famous people
2018-08-18T11:42:18 < Streaker> A taste for fine boobs and good wine is what distinguishes a gentleman of refinement from the unwashed masses
2018-08-18T11:42:48 < vampi-the-frog> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan Genghis Khan explicitly called Muslims and Jews "slaves"
2018-08-18T11:42:59 < kakimir> Steffanx ragequited
2018-08-18T11:43:38 < Streaker> https://youtu.be/pzmI3vAIhbE
2018-08-18T11:48:03 < cpctr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiErqUkw690
2018-08-18T11:48:08 < cpctr> glad he tried
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2018-08-18T11:57:12 < Steffanx> Lol no rage quit mr kakimir
2018-08-18T11:58:54 < kakimir> I should get to works to finish my prototype
2018-08-18T11:59:02 < Steffanx> Yes
2018-08-18T11:59:18 < Steffanx> Or enjoy your weekend
2018-08-18T11:59:48 < Steffanx> And dont use your own time to impress your boss. Or do you get paid for all those extra time?
2018-08-18T12:01:25 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-18T12:01:44 < Steffanx> Then im good :P
2018-08-18T12:02:43 < kakimir> I want to get it to field tests and show it to my guru/mentor
2018-08-18T12:06:20 < kakimir> maybe I need to go to office now>
2018-08-18T12:09:44 < Steffanx> Or enjoy your weekend
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2018-08-18T12:53:59 < kakimir> I extend my weekend
2018-08-18T12:54:04 < kakimir> like whatever
2018-08-18T12:54:10 < kakimir> I don't care what day it is
2018-08-18T12:57:03 < catphish> emeryth: thanks
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2018-08-18T13:36:28 < Sadale> Reading LCD driver documentation is tough >_<
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2018-08-18T13:41:58 < mawk> which kind ?
2018-08-18T13:43:54 < Sadale> 128x64
2018-08-18T13:44:04 < Sadale> I'm now reading about driving voltage magic.
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2018-08-18T13:49:12 < Sadale> To make thing even worse the code provided by the vendor/retailer may not be correct. They've provided three piece of code. They aren't consistent.
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2018-08-18T14:07:12 < Sadale> Why there's a power down sequence requirement for LCD?
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2018-08-18T14:46:32 < Sadale> wtf?
2018-08-18T14:46:34 < Sadale> I
2018-08-18T14:47:16 < Sadale> I saw a documentation of an mechanical graph from a vendor with the wordings "Made with Autodesk Education Edition"
2018-08-18T14:47:47 < bitmask> cp2102 vs ft232?
2018-08-18T14:48:09 < Sadale> ft232 supports bitbang mode. Not sure about cp2102
2018-08-18T14:48:17 < Sadale> But if you just use it for UART, I think both are fine.
2018-08-18T14:48:22 < bitmask> ok
2018-08-18T14:48:32 < bitmask> I went with ft232
2018-08-18T14:50:05 < Steffanx> CH430
2018-08-18T14:50:09 < bitmask> heh
2018-08-18T14:50:24 < bitmask> that was a joke right?
2018-08-18T14:51:29 < Steffanx> its real and popular ( in china )
2018-08-18T14:52:57 < bitmask> no I mean do you really think its better? I thought it just had a lot a driver problems
2018-08-18T14:53:37 < Steffanx> my experience with it isnt too great, but im not sure if the USB-serial converter was the issue
2018-08-18T14:53:57 < Steffanx> As long as its not prolific (cloneware) its ok :P
2018-08-18T14:54:00 < bitmask> I heard mac has issues with it
2018-08-18T14:54:15 < bitmask> so I just figured Id stay away
2018-08-18T14:55:16 < Steffanx> no real on-hands experience. I'd go with cypress or ftdi anyway.
2018-08-18T14:55:24 < bitmask> yea
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2018-08-18T15:09:08 < gnom> https://i.imgur.com/BEMZBtW.mp4
2018-08-18T15:11:03 < Sadale> good dog
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2018-08-18T15:32:46 < Steffanx> A cat would never do such thing.
2018-08-18T15:34:29 < antto> a cat would bead the sh*t out of this lousy a$$ dog ;P~
2018-08-18T15:34:33 < antto> * beat
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2018-08-18T15:58:56 < catphish> i designed a thing :) https://imgur.com/a/5Ahnhle
2018-08-18T15:59:43 < catphish> still lots of things to check though
2018-08-18T16:00:15 < dongs> nice kikecad there 
2018-08-18T16:00:33 < catphish> i do enjoy some kicad renders
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2018-08-18T16:02:01 < dongs> is that some NFC
2018-08-18T16:02:10 < dongs> and tssop F0
2018-08-18T16:02:24 < dongs> why do you have a crystal on F0
2018-08-18T16:04:20 < catphish> dongs: yes it's NFC i chose the tssop because it was the cheapest, and the crystal is there because i want accurate RTC
2018-08-18T16:06:26 < dongs> is that rtc crystal?
2018-08-18T16:06:30 < dongs> i haven't seen many in that format.
2018-08-18T16:06:33 < dongs> they're usually 2 or 3 pin.
2018-08-18T16:07:00 < catphish> that's a good question, actually i didn't check :( i just used the same package as the HF crystal
2018-08-18T16:07:03 < dongs> https://www.digikey.jp/en/product-highlight/n/ndk/nx3215sa-series-32768khz-smd-crystals
2018-08-18T16:07:09 < dongs> i.e. something like this is common
2018-08-18T16:07:13 < catphish> i'll have to check that (and a couple of other packages)
2018-08-18T16:07:21 < catphish> good point, thanks
2018-08-18T16:08:10 < catphish> https://nutty.tk/nfc6.pdf
2018-08-18T16:08:45 < dongs> zyp did something with ST95
2018-08-18T16:08:59 < dongs> he forgot to hookup some pin and it caused rage...
2018-08-18T16:09:22 < catphish> yeah, i've seen that, my design is nearly a clone of his (mostly by coincidence)
2018-08-18T16:09:51 < dongs> anyway loks like 32khz stuff doesnt exist in 4pin 3225 (or whaetver size that thing you have is) package
2018-08-18T16:09:58 < dongs> so you will definitely need to switch to other one
2018-08-18T16:10:00 < catphish> thanks, i'll change that
2018-08-18T16:10:16 < catphish> i need to add my speaker (piezo thing) too
2018-08-18T16:10:45 < catphish> it's a pretty simple thing, it just beeps and saves a timestamp on NFC cards :)
2018-08-18T16:11:02 < catphish> but i'm still moderadely new to PCB design, so it's a lot of work
2018-08-18T16:11:11 < Steffanx> why does the card have to beep?
2018-08-18T16:11:28 < catphish> just friendly user feedback
2018-08-18T16:11:37 < catphish> so they know it's worked
2018-08-18T16:11:44 < dongs> also what is bt1 is that like.. battery
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2018-08-18T16:11:49 < cpctr> was she a great big fat person?
2018-08-18T16:12:07 < catphish> yes, BT1 will be some kind of battery
2018-08-18T16:12:25 < catphish> probably a lithium metal cell
2018-08-18T16:12:59 < Steffanx> isnt a beeping base stationish thing easier catphish? 
2018-08-18T16:13:18 < catphish> Steffanx: oh, yesh, this *is* the base station
2018-08-18T16:13:24 < Steffanx> ooh :P
2018-08-18T16:13:28 < catphish> the tag will just be a passive ntag
2018-08-18T16:13:29 < Steffanx> its not the card
2018-08-18T16:13:30 < Steffanx> tag
2018-08-18T16:13:41 < catphish> nope, this is the station
2018-08-18T16:14:11 < catphish> trying to keep the tags passive, and maximize battery life in the stations
2018-08-18T16:15:33 < catphish> right, i've gotta pop out for a while, i'd appreciate any other feedback though :) i'll be back in a bit
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2018-08-18T16:47:02 < bitmask> man this svg viewbox and shit is driving me crazy
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2018-08-18T16:59:49 < kakimir> shitbox
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2018-08-18T17:22:33 < bitmask> that it is, my friend... that it is
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2018-08-18T17:58:42 < Laurenceb__> muh ODB2
2018-08-18T17:59:01 < kakimir> how is your carr
2018-08-18T18:00:05 < Steffanx> why dont you connect your own device to the CAN bus Laurenceb__ ?
2018-08-18T18:00:06 < englishman> what kind of data can you pull from the ambulance, the product page is sparse on exactly what stuff it can do
2018-08-18T18:20:40  * catphish is back :)
2018-08-18T18:21:10 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: do you know canm8?
2018-08-18T18:21:20 < kakimir> canmate!
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2018-08-18T18:32:22 < Laurenceb__> englishman: rpm, speed, brakes, gears etc
2018-08-18T18:33:09 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: have you done vehicle can stuff?
2018-08-18T18:33:28 < Laurenceb__> not really
2018-08-18T18:33:38 < Laurenceb__> only played with this dongle thing
2018-08-18T18:34:01 < kakimir> lawicel?
2018-08-18T18:34:51 < Laurenceb__> freematics
2018-08-18T18:34:56 < Laurenceb__> bbl
2018-08-18T18:41:01 < dongs> https://www.xeam.jp/notte/ haha japs have a shitty scooter EV. 600W motor and 24Ah battery
2018-08-18T18:41:06 < dongs> thats even less Ah than a single fucking leaf cell
2018-08-18T18:41:07 < dongs> wtf
2018-08-18T18:44:10 < Laurenceb__> Steffanx: cuz the freematics works... maybe
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2018-08-18T18:44:39 < Laurenceb__> worst case I saw was ~5dB fade margin before it would lose connection in the wambulance I tested it in
2018-08-18T18:44:49 < Laurenceb__> need to try some different vehicles next week
2018-08-18T18:45:02 < Laurenceb__> >bluetooth antenna so shit it cant go to other end of a vehicle
2018-08-18T18:45:56 < bitmask> who is letting you design something for use in an ambulance? poor dead people
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2018-08-18T18:48:44 < catphish> dongs: thanks for the pointers, fixed the crystal and added my beeper, i think i might remove the antenna from the board edge though and put it into a more concentrated area to one side instead https://i.imgur.com/9BN0M5G.png
2018-08-18T18:49:16 < dongs> hey its same beeper im using
2018-08-18T18:49:18 < dongs> and same STM32 F0
2018-08-18T18:50:27 < catphish> dongs: :)
2018-08-18T18:51:18 < catphish> i found this nice document on antenna sizes https://industrial.panasonic.com/content/data/SC/ds/ds8/c2/OTH_NFCTag_Antenna-design-guide_EN.pdf
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2018-08-18T19:11:57 < Laurenceb__> bitmask: ikr, they will all be dead soon
2018-08-18T19:12:09 < bitmask> :)
2018-08-18T19:13:59 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb__:  did you fix bluetooth
2018-08-18T19:14:28 < Laurenceb__> tomeaton17: yeah ESP32 ardutard copypasta uses a non standard channel
2018-08-18T19:14:49 < Laurenceb__> I should have realised when lunix pairing gui said it was an audio device
2018-08-18T19:14:54 < tomeaton17> No suprises there. Nice.
2018-08-18T19:14:59 < Laurenceb__> heh
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2018-08-18T19:15:27 < Laurenceb__> also the piss poor antenna caused it to keep going out of range, had to put it on my desk to get it working reliably
2018-08-18T19:15:45 < tomeaton17> Is it a MaKeR product
2018-08-18T19:15:49 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2018-08-18T19:16:00 < tomeaton17> of course
2018-08-18T19:16:03 < Laurenceb__> looks like it might just work in the ambulance
2018-08-18T19:16:16 < Laurenceb__> luckily Qt bluetooth can reconnect in <1s
2018-08-18T19:16:21 < tomeaton17> Using maker in an ambulance?
2018-08-18T19:16:31 < Laurenceb__> so slightly patchy performance would be ok
2018-08-18T19:16:34 < Laurenceb__> yeah lol
2018-08-18T19:17:02 < Laurenceb__> blame the project managers, they thought it would be faster
2018-08-18T19:17:33 < Laurenceb__> the µSD card slot is directly under the 2.4GHz antenna
2018-08-18T19:19:25 < tomeaton17> Nhs cuts
2018-08-18T19:21:02 < Laurenceb__> lul
2018-08-18T19:22:15 < tomeaton17> Heh 
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2018-08-18T19:31:04 < Steffanx> what beeper is that catphish ?
2018-08-18T19:31:59 < sync> wtf is that shit dongs
2018-08-18T19:32:07 < sync> 600W?!
2018-08-18T19:33:52 < Laurenceb__> oh wow https://postimg.cc/image/hg1a8mv6f/
2018-08-18T19:34:08 < Laurenceb__> best use of a copypasta evar
2018-08-18T19:36:19 < tomeaton17> So today, for the first time, my little toddler finally counted to ten. Everyone was celebrating, saying how proud they are in my kid, and then Ben Shapiro kicks open the door. "Oh you think it's impressive that they can count to ten? I can count to one million." and then proceeded, in my living room for the next two weeks, to count to one million. He then said "yep, another libtard destroyed" and then curbstomped my kid.
2018-08-18T19:36:22 < Laurenceb__> but unfortunately I fear a case of samefag
2018-08-18T19:36:32 < Laurenceb__> oh dear lol
2018-08-18T19:36:43 < Laurenceb__> tomeaton17 with the epin copypastas
2018-08-18T19:37:43 < tomeaton17> Now that whats I call epic
2018-08-18T19:39:21 < Steffanx> http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=epic
2018-08-18T19:40:19 < tomeaton17> Steffanx is not up to date on the copypastas :p
2018-08-18T19:40:44 < Steffanx> like i fucking care?
2018-08-18T19:40:50 < Steffanx> britfag crap
2018-08-18T19:42:03 < tomeaton17> sorry didn't mean to trigger you lol
2018-08-18T19:43:02 < Steffanx> and i was commenting on your use of the word epic, not on anything else. ;)
2018-08-18T19:43:42 < Steffanx> or perhaps mr bs use
2018-08-18T19:44:57 < tomeaton17> ok sry
2018-08-18T19:52:22 < Steffanx> Did you read the page yet tomeaton17 ?:P
2018-08-18T19:53:49 < tomeaton17> Steffanx, yes it was an epic read
2018-08-18T19:54:00 < Steffanx> better read again.
2018-08-18T19:54:05 < catphish> Steffanx: PKMCS0909E4000
2018-08-18T19:54:26 < tomeaton17> It was a reasonably lengthy narrative
2018-08-18T19:54:41 < catphish> Steffanx: though i've not checked its response at 3v0 so it's not a done deal
2018-08-18T19:58:26 < Steffanx> mr dongs might be able to tell you about that
2018-08-18T20:00:40 < bitmask> so when designing a board, if you have relatively high current for something you just need to make sure the thinnest point is larger than x?
2018-08-18T20:00:48 < bitmask> where can I find x?
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2018-08-18T20:16:24 < markus-k> kicad calculator?
2018-08-18T20:18:57 < markus-k> enter current, allowed temp rise and it'll give you the width
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2018-08-18T20:23:14 < catphish> bitmask: it's a little more complicated than that, but if you google trace width calculator, you will find sites that tell you
2018-08-18T20:23:44 < bitmask> ahh ok thanks
2018-08-18T20:24:23 < catphish> short thin parts of the trace are ok, because the heat dissipates along the trace, and the shorter, the less resistance / heat, but ideally you want to keep to the minimum width for the whole distance
2018-08-18T20:25:06 < catphish> alternative antenna / layout: https://imgur.com/a/33sGKK2
2018-08-18T20:25:09 < bitmask> someone posted an oshpark link so I downloaded the brd file but the bottom layer is mostly ground fill and the top a power plane, it doesnt come out like that when I open the file though
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2018-08-18T20:26:57 < catphish> maybe you need to do the fill? i only know kicad
2018-08-18T20:27:34 < bitmask> thats what I'm using because it can export svg
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2018-08-18T20:28:34 < bitmask> I can add the plane, its just that the way its setup there are points that are pretty thin and supposed to carry up to an amp and a half
2018-08-18T20:28:51 < bitmask> its very short though
2018-08-18T20:29:11 < bitmask> its just one small part squeezing between a mounting hole and the border of another pad
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2018-08-18T20:31:20 < mawk> contacts on breadboards are wobbly usually ?
2018-08-18T20:31:35 < mawk> or I just make very bad jumpers in some way
2018-08-18T20:31:38 < mawk> or usb breakout cables
2018-08-18T20:32:04 < catphish> i should probably send this design to a professional to evaluate
2018-08-18T20:41:42 < Steffanx> if you dont not plan on certification and stuff catphish . Why bother? :P
2018-08-18T20:42:42 < catphish> Steffanx: mostly because i don't think i can construct it by hand, so i'll need professional assembly, and at that volume, i'd rather make sure it works before i spend the money
2018-08-18T20:43:02 < Steffanx> cant do it by hand?
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2018-08-18T20:43:15 < Steffanx> only perhaps tricky thing is the qfn
2018-08-18T20:43:42 < catphish> i guess mostly the qfn, though i've never soldered one of those fine legged ICs either
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2018-08-18T20:43:55 < catphish> perhaps i'll try, i haven't really decided
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2018-08-18T20:45:31 < catphish> certification would be cool, but a lot more steps needed before i can think about selling it
2018-08-18T20:47:08 < Steffanx> Have a few looks at youtube videos
2018-08-18T20:47:27 < Steffanx> And get yourself a (cheap) hot air thingy
2018-08-18T20:47:38 < catphish> i might be able to do it with hot air, tempting to at least try
2018-08-18T20:47:40 < mawk> I succeeded in soldering small legs at the third try
2018-08-18T20:47:54 < mawk> which coincides with when I got a decent flux
2018-08-18T20:48:06 < Steffanx> and indeed, some flux.
2018-08-18T20:50:45 < catphish> just need to decide between antenna A or B
2018-08-18T20:50:48 < catphish> https://imgur.com/a/U1oHUhh
2018-08-18T20:51:01 < catphish> i suspect B is the far superior choice
2018-08-18T20:52:01 < catphish> it likely better approximates the small device it needs to couple with
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2018-08-18T21:52:40 < zyp> englishman, picked up an elm327 from a local shop, doesn't manage to connect to the ECU in the ion
2018-08-18T21:52:52 < zyp> works fine in my car though
2018-08-18T21:53:36 < zyp> except my car doesn't have any codes to reset and almost none of the common sensors, so the standard apps are super useless for it :p
2018-08-18T21:56:15 < catphish> for a long time i wanted to build an open source OBD2 interface, but gave up on the idea, no idea how i'd go about reverse engineering the protocols
2018-08-18T21:58:21 < zyp> that obd eleven looks interesting for my car, tempted to pick up one of those now
2018-08-18T21:58:47 < catphish> zyp: i finished my design, still interested in yours though if some are going spare, i'm concerning myself with boring things like battery holders now
2018-08-18T21:59:35 < zyp> sure, I'm planning to send some other stuff tomorrow, so I can throw an envelope for you in the pile
2018-08-18T22:00:15 < catphish> i settled on this layout: https://imgur.com/a/33sGKK2 just need to add a battery holder and it should be ok
2018-08-18T22:00:22 < Steffanx> Many of those elm327 are a piece of crap. There are like a dozen different versions/editions/whatever
2018-08-18T22:00:32 < Steffanx> and issues with the can termination
2018-08-18T22:00:48 < zyp> Steffanx, yeah, that's why I made sure I could return it before I bought it :p
2018-08-18T22:00:52 < catphish> Steffanx: at its heart ELM327 is just a PIC firmware
2018-08-18T22:00:53 < zyp> taking it back next week
2018-08-18T22:01:11 < catphish> but there are lots of garbage clones
2018-08-18T22:01:23 < zyp> catphish, couple things: pretty sure you don't want the ground plane below the antenna
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2018-08-18T22:01:31 < catphish> i have a genuine USB one, cost a LOT more than the ones on ebay
2018-08-18T22:01:53 < zyp> catphish, also, what's the dimensions of your board? antenna looks possibly even slower than mine
2018-08-18T22:01:57 < catphish> zyp: oh, i was going to ask about that, wasn't sure if that was bad or would help reflect the signal upwards
2018-08-18T22:01:58 < zyp> smaller*
2018-08-18T22:02:38 < catphish> zyp: the antenna is 25 x 20, i used this document to guess how to design and match it: https://industrial.panasonic.com/content/data/SC/ds/ds8/c2/OTH_NFCTag_Antenna-design-guide_EN.pdf
2018-08-18T22:03:40 < Steffanx> yes catphish. The one i now have is probably the official one. ftdi-pic. Not something obscure + ch430
2018-08-18T22:03:44 < zyp> at a glance, that looks for a tag antenna, not a reader antenna
2018-08-18T22:04:05 < catphish> zyp: i saw that, but then i kinda thought they were the same
2018-08-18T22:04:34 < zyp> idk, from what I've seen, tag antennas seems to have more and narrower loops than reader antennas
2018-08-18T22:05:25 < catphish> i figured they're bidirectional and coupled, so they really should be the same, but... i could be totally wrong
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2018-08-18T22:21:00 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/wEbbf5I.png 
2018-08-18T22:21:09 < bitmask> almost got infill working except for that one spot
2018-08-18T22:22:55 < Cracki> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/36821/antennas-and-ground-planes
2018-08-18T22:25:49 < catphish> Cracki: thanks, i'll have a read
2018-08-18T22:25:57 < Cracki> I have no clue, just curious
2018-08-18T22:32:37 < Cracki> this talks about some designs, one a "patch antenna" https://smartech.gatech.edu/bitstream/handle/1853/16303/prothro_joel_t_200708_mast.pdf
2018-08-18T22:36:20 < Cracki> seems a folded dipole benefits from a close ground plane
2018-08-18T22:43:44 < Cracki> or not :S
2018-08-18T22:48:38 < catphish> zyp: i think i'll just get rid of that ground plane, i don't understand it well enough, but it seems it't not necessary, so probably best to just delete it
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2018-08-18T23:19:32 < englishman> zyp: which "version" of elm327? there is an older version with two pcbs, and a newer one with one, the newer one is supposed to have compatibility problems
2018-08-18T23:20:34 < englishman> also, if you just want to fuck around with obdeleven, i can mail you mine, i don't use it very often
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2018-08-18T23:20:41 < englishman> just send it back within a year or whatever
2018-08-18T23:21:13 < Steffanx> lol
2018-08-18T23:22:01 < Steffanx> its "only" 40 euro or something, what is the problem englishman ?
2018-08-18T23:22:28 < englishman> oh idk i thought it was more
2018-08-18T23:22:43 < Steffanx> or am i looking at something else
2018-08-18T23:22:58 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/vYlgZYM.jpg
2018-08-18T23:23:35 < Steffanx> beer is coming...
2018-08-18T23:24:59 < Steffanx> https://obdeleven.com/en/home/10-obdeleven-device.html that englishman? if so, i dont see nissan in the list.
2018-08-18T23:25:25 < englishman> its for VW only
2018-08-18T23:26:03 < Steffanx> That's what i noticed
2018-08-18T23:26:24 < Steffanx> Hello superbia
2018-08-18T23:26:40 < Steffanx> How was Romania today?
2018-08-18T23:27:02 < Steffanx> No hunting in this country. 
2018-08-18T23:27:06 < Steffanx> Not without the proper papers
2018-08-18T23:27:44 < cpctr> :3
2018-08-18T23:27:54 < Steffanx> not much here today. Wooden shoes, wind mills, tullips.
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2018-08-18T23:29:16 < Steffanx> adios
2018-08-18T23:29:41 < Steffanx> capacitor 
2018-08-18T23:29:44 < cpctr> :]
2018-08-18T23:29:46 < Steffanx> its like sprb
2018-08-18T23:30:11 < Steffanx> its long for: stvn
2018-08-18T23:30:15 < Steffanx> or crt
2018-08-18T23:30:24 < cpctr> crt m8
2018-08-18T23:30:43 < cpctr> 30
2018-08-18T23:32:57 < Steffanx> no news. sorry
2018-08-18T23:33:09 < cpctr> sky
2018-08-18T23:34:02 < Steffanx> you have news?
2018-08-18T23:34:20 < Steffanx> nothing happend sir, same old boring
2018-08-18T23:35:14 < Steffanx> gonna move to austria?
2018-08-18T23:35:17 < Steffanx>  switzerland?
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2018-08-18T23:35:40 < Steffanx> oh i got something new. A a real new electric tooth brush :P
2018-08-18T23:35:50 < Steffanx> since today. Are you spying on me
2018-08-18T23:36:09 < BrainDamage> there are porupose-designed sex toys, without having to resort to diy ones like toothbrushes
2018-08-18T23:36:17 < Steffanx> oral b.
2018-08-18T23:36:40 < Steffanx> I had to sponser oral b a bit more, already sponsored philips when i bought a new coffee machine last week
2018-08-18T23:36:50 < Steffanx> coffee/espresso
2018-08-18T23:37:04 < Steffanx> nah
2018-08-18T23:37:24 < Steffanx> actually we are doing that
2018-08-18T23:37:41 < Steffanx> import and we are kinda in a fight because we deported some turkish minister
2018-08-18T23:37:51 < Steffanx> but mainly fight with words
2018-08-18T23:39:14 < Steffanx> ty
2018-08-18T23:41:20 < jpa-> oral b? next you'll go laurence b
2018-08-18T23:41:34 < BrainDamage> in a while, mr crocodile
2018-08-18T23:43:58 < catphish> '#######~~#'''''''''''
2018-08-18T23:47:38 < Steffanx> Lol jpa-
2018-08-18T23:52:01 < jadew> I've been trying for many years to get my wife to watch stargate with me ('94) and she finally did
2018-08-18T23:52:05 < jadew> she didn't hate it
2018-08-18T23:53:01 < jadew> and now she says she's willing to watch the show too, but I not sure I believe her
2018-08-18T23:53:25 < jadew> did she genuinely enjoy it, or is she just being a good wife?
2018-08-18T23:54:41 < jpa-> meh, it'll do her no damage if she watches a boring show :P
2018-08-18T23:54:51 < jadew> heh
2018-08-18T23:54:56 < Cracki> >good wife
2018-08-18T23:55:01 < Cracki> enjoy it while it lasts
2018-08-18T23:55:42 < jadew> she said she thought it would be different
2018-08-18T23:56:00 < jadew> somehow she thought I wanted to watch star treck and said that one looks stupid
2018-08-18T23:56:13 < Steffanx> Lol stargate.
2018-08-18T23:56:49 < Steffanx> I bet she just enjoy to see the dark skinned guy
2018-08-18T23:57:03 < jadew> he's not in the movie
2018-08-18T23:57:30 < Steffanx> On 
2018-08-18T23:57:31 < Steffanx> Oh
2018-08-18T23:58:17 < Cracki> the movie is about sand people
2018-08-18T23:58:18 < jadew> she grew up thinking she hates sci-fi
2018-08-18T23:58:22 < jadew> but she's a fan of the orville
2018-08-18T23:58:32 < Cracki> orville is more trekky than discovery
2018-08-18T23:58:34 < jadew> and pretty much every sci-fi show/movie I introduced to her
2018-08-18T23:58:39 < jadew> Cracki, I know
2018-08-18T23:59:00 < Cracki> I wonder what made her think she'd hate scifi
2018-08-18T23:59:08 < jadew> parents
2018-08-18T23:59:44 < Cracki> impressionable
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2018-08-19T00:00:04 < Cracki> got any idea when you're gonna put the redpill to her?
2018-08-19T00:00:17 < cpctr> hack it
2018-08-19T00:00:33 < cpctr> https://youtu.be/DelF6zEHXpE?t=3m
2018-08-19T00:00:34 < Cracki> ho hacking the wife! that's serial killer business!
2018-08-19T00:00:43 < Steffanx> Whats next jadew the x-files?
2018-08-19T00:01:01 < jadew> Steffanx, don't know, more sci-fi I guess
2018-08-19T00:01:06 < Cracki> show her some russian or east-german scifi. she'll cringe so much
2018-08-19T00:01:30 < Steffanx> German scifi. Got example?
2018-08-19T00:01:40 < Steffanx> And not Dark.
2018-08-19T00:01:48 < Cracki> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raumpatrouille_%E2%80%93_Die_phantastischen_Abenteuer_des_Raumschiffes_Orion
2018-08-19T00:01:56 < Steffanx> If that is even scifi
2018-08-19T00:02:11 < Cracki> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexx
2018-08-19T00:03:01 < Cracki> cringy stuff but eh
2018-08-19T00:03:16 < jadew> yeah, couldn't watch lexx
2018-08-19T00:03:27 < Cracki> the cringiest to me in recent times was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuum_(TV_series)
2018-08-19T00:03:38 < jadew> yeah, that's garbage too
2018-08-19T00:03:43 < Cracki> really good actors, but the writing oh lord the writing
2018-08-19T00:04:02 < Steffanx> Lexx.. based on the images on google i would say its comedy
2018-08-19T00:04:09 < Cracki> they had such potential. the sets and photography were good too.
2018-08-19T00:04:28 < Cracki> lexx is low budget "b-movie" tier stuff
2018-08-19T00:04:29 < jadew> Cracki, in continuum?
2018-08-19T00:04:33 < Cracki> aye, continuum
2018-08-19T00:04:50 < Cracki> the writers just made shit characters and shit plot
2018-08-19T00:05:16 < Cracki> I could feel how they mutilated their characters to force the plot in some direction
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2018-08-19T00:06:05 < jadew> hmm, I wasn't thinking about Continuum - I didn't see it
2018-08-19T00:06:18 < jadew> I was thinking about that one with the guys from the future
2018-08-19T00:06:24 < Cracki> huh?
2018-08-19T00:06:32 < Cracki> "guys from the future" is a common trope
2018-08-19T00:06:32 < jadew> let me find it
2018-08-19T00:06:41 < jadew> yeah, that's why I confused it
2018-08-19T00:06:41 < Cracki> continuum is with guys from the future
2018-08-19T00:06:47 < Cracki> mean sliders?
2018-08-19T00:06:55 < Cracki> or "terra nova"?
2018-08-19T00:06:59 < Cracki> back to the future?
2018-08-19T00:07:08 < Cracki> various star trek movies and episodes?
2018-08-19T00:07:13 < jadew> travelers
2018-08-19T00:07:19 < Cracki> the movie?
2018-08-19T00:07:21 < jadew> terra nova had great potential, but they canned it
2018-08-19T00:07:26 < jadew> Cracki, the show
2018-08-19T00:07:29 < Cracki> wait, the movie is passengers
2018-08-19T00:07:31 < Cracki> ic ic
2018-08-19T00:08:15 < jadew> watching first episode of continuum now
2018-08-19T00:08:43 < jadew> it's with bratac from stargate
2018-08-19T00:08:43 < Steffanx> Watching or... Playing it while coding?
2018-08-19T00:09:08 < jadew> not coding today
2018-08-19T00:09:17 < Cracki> hm, travelers, might have to sample that
2018-08-19T00:09:21 < jadew> I just fixed some bugs
2018-08-19T00:09:30 < jadew> but the day is almost over and I'm tired, so... just movies
2018-08-19T00:09:48 < jadew> Cracki, did we just exchange bad tv-shows?
2018-08-19T00:09:52 < Cracki> :P
2018-08-19T00:10:03 < Cracki> I recommend psarips if you want h.265 files
2018-08-19T00:11:07 < jadew> that's interesting, I'll bookmark it, but I'm watching on netflix
2018-08-19T00:11:42 < Cracki> I tried netflix. they had nothing interesting. guess their advertising is a lot stronger than their offering.
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2018-08-19T00:12:11 < jadew> yeah, not a lot of good stuff
2018-08-19T00:12:41 < jadew> if you haven't seen it, altered carbon was decent
2018-08-19T00:14:04 < Steffanx> Netflix is for people into marvel stuff
2018-08-19T00:15:01 < jadew> some of the shows are good
2018-08-19T00:15:08 < jadew> they have stranger things
2018-08-19T00:15:35 < jadew> the it crowd (that was a nice surprise)
2018-08-19T00:15:59 < zyp> that Laurenceb show was also good
2018-08-19T00:16:11 < jadew> with the psychopath?
2018-08-19T00:16:14 < zyp> yeah
2018-08-19T00:16:19 < zyp> the end of the fucking world
2018-08-19T00:16:26 < jadew> I guess I should narrow it down... with the teenage psychopath
2018-08-19T00:17:01 < jadew> I couldn't go through it, not sure why
2018-08-19T00:17:23 < Cracki> Dark Matter, intro animation looks trashy but that's just the intro
2018-08-19T00:19:42 < jadew> I don't think you can have a good movie based on a comic book
2018-08-19T00:20:25 < cpctr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV5QlSgq7lg
2018-08-19T00:20:39 < zyp> jadew, have you read the altered carbon books?
2018-08-19T00:20:57 < jadew> zyp, no
2018-08-19T00:21:03 < jadew> is it based on comic books?
2018-08-19T00:21:08 < zyp> oh, no
2018-08-19T00:21:13 < zyp> just saw you liked the series
2018-08-19T00:21:29 < jadew> ah, yeah, it was good, didn't read the books tho
2018-08-19T00:21:30 < zyp> if you read books, you'd probably like the novels too
2018-08-19T00:21:31 < jadew> did you?
2018-08-19T00:21:39 < zyp> yeah, couple of years ago
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2018-08-19T00:35:11 < catphish> zyp: what TC2030 cable do you use? just a TC2030-IDC-6? or something specific?
2018-08-19T00:35:32 < catphish> this one? http://www.tag-connect.com/TC2030-IDC-NL
2018-08-19T00:36:46 < bitmask> not perfect but I think it will work: https://i.imgur.com/L3IuKEu.png
2018-08-19T00:39:19 < zyp> catphish, the cortex-m-specific one
2018-08-19T00:39:42 < zyp> http://www.tag-connect.com/TC2030-CTX-NL
2018-08-19T00:41:03 < englishman> I did not like the altered carbon tv show but it made me want to read the books
2018-08-19T00:41:31 < zyp> I liked the tv show despite it not being all that true to the story
2018-08-19T00:41:51 < zyp> unless I misremember, the tv show changed the whole backstory a lot
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2018-08-19T00:42:48 < zyp> anyway, bedtime
2018-08-19T00:43:25 < jadew> night
2018-08-19T00:46:47 < catphish> night :)
2018-08-19T00:47:29 < catphish> englishman: i really enjoyed the tv, sadly i don't read much so can't comment on the original literature
2018-08-19T00:49:42 < catphish> does anyone have any experience with small batch injection moulding?
2018-08-19T00:49:54 < catphish> i'm going to need a little of that
2018-08-19T01:00:58 < bitmask> grrr
2018-08-19T01:00:59 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/AGWBFFv.png
2018-08-19T01:01:02 < bitmask> what happened
2018-08-19T01:01:39 < Cracki> >length
2018-08-19T01:01:49 < Cracki> >stray lines all over the graphic
2018-08-19T01:02:10 < bitmask> yes but why :/
2018-08-19T01:02:46 < bitmask> I wanted to try drawin this on paper today but guess I'll have to do some debugging tomorrow
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2018-08-19T01:11:15 < Cracki> wew twitter says first amendment allows you to discriminate https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dk6IhODU4AAVLMU.jpg:orig
2018-08-19T01:11:26 < Cracki> https://2kpcwh2r7phz1nq4jj237m22-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/06-14-2018-Taylor-v-Twitter.pdf
2018-08-19T01:14:39 < Cracki> choice freudian slip: > a privately-owned government
2018-08-19T01:24:23 < catphish> Cracki: tl;dr
2018-08-19T01:24:40 < catphish> i mean, i started reading it, but it's long
2018-08-19T01:24:59 < Cracki> tldr: that judge wants to take twitter's ability  to suspend people away
2018-08-19T01:25:11 < Cracki> suspend or otherwise hinder participation
2018-08-19T01:26:35 < catphish> on what grounds?
2018-08-19T01:26:38 < Cracki> twitter argues "we are free speech" while simultaneously arguing "we are a newspaper, we choose what we publish, we make it our speech"
2018-08-19T01:26:55 < Cracki> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Unfair_Competition_Law
2018-08-19T01:27:07 < Cracki> that's how the basis on which twitter is sued
2018-08-19T01:27:54 < catphish> strange argument, i'd have thought as a private company, twitter had the right not to publish anything they like
2018-08-19T01:27:56 < Cracki> a significant part of that transcript talks about "unconscionable"
2018-08-19T01:28:03 < Cracki> fuck that
2018-08-19T01:28:15 < Cracki> they aren't a private company, they are an utility
2018-08-19T01:28:23 < catphish> no, they're not
2018-08-19T01:28:27 < Cracki> and in any case they're a public company
2018-08-19T01:28:30 < catphish> they're not even a monopoly
2018-08-19T01:28:33 < Cracki> they are.
2018-08-19T01:28:48 < Cracki> there is no viable alternative to twitter.
2018-08-19T01:29:00 < catphish> that's quite obviously not true
2018-08-19T01:29:11 < Cracki> that's just like your opinion man
2018-08-19T01:29:17 < catphish> there are plenty of online publishing platforms
2018-08-19T01:30:05 < Cracki> do you draw a line at all? what if your bank kicks you out for making business with the "wrong people"
2018-08-19T01:30:10 < catphish> and twitter is 1) free and 2) likely doesn't have a monopoly (by any measure) on online publication
2018-08-19T01:30:24 < Cracki> not an argument.
2018-08-19T01:30:25 < catphish> and yes, this is purely my unsubstantiated opinion
2018-08-19T01:30:42 < Cracki> it's a contract, they derive value from their "users".
2018-08-19T01:30:54 < catphish> what if your bank kicks you out for making business with the "wrong people"?
2018-08-19T01:31:06 < catphish> then i use another bank
2018-08-19T01:31:12 < Cracki> they kick you off too
2018-08-19T01:31:13 < cpctr> fundus are safu
2018-08-19T01:31:17 < cpctr> fundus are safu
2018-08-19T01:31:26 < catphish> why would my bank have to service me if they don't want to? i'm not a protected minority
2018-08-19T01:31:31 < Steffanx> cpctr is your well being safu?
2018-08-19T01:31:44 < Cracki> why would a baker have to sell you bread? he could just starve you
2018-08-19T01:31:59 < catphish> Cracki: exactly
2018-08-19T01:32:01 < Cracki> he could tell all the other bakers what a supposed shithead you are ;)
2018-08-19T01:32:31 < Cracki> "bake the cake" has been decided in favor of the customer
2018-08-19T01:32:36 < catphish> a baker can work for whoever he wants, surely, as long as he doesn't discriminate service on protected grounds
2018-08-19T01:32:42 < Cracki> actually no
2018-08-19T01:32:45 < Cracki> a baker has to bake your cake
2018-08-19T01:33:00 < Steffanx> No, when you act like a shithead he can tell you no
2018-08-19T01:33:08 < Cracki> he can't refuse service for reasons such as "I don't like your politics"
2018-08-19T01:33:09 < Steffanx> At least, in dutchland
2018-08-19T01:33:17 < Cracki> "shithead" is a lame excuse for discrimination
2018-08-19T01:33:18 < catphish> Cracki: that's interesting actually, i believe that's now law in the USA
2018-08-19T01:33:39 < catphish> my opinion is that nobody should be forced to work against their will
2018-08-19T01:34:00 < Cracki> all this will come back to bite the lefties in the ass... so better consider the implications when it hits *you*
2018-08-19T01:34:30 < catphish> while i believe in laws against discrimination against minorities, i think that would have to be proven
2018-08-19T01:34:52 < Cracki> so you're in favor of big corporations fucking over the people
2018-08-19T01:34:53 < Cracki> ic
2018-08-19T01:35:27 < catphish> Cracki: sure, if they want to, why not, all people should be equal
2018-08-19T01:35:32 < Cracki> hehehehe
2018-08-19T01:35:35 < karlp> take your conversation back to mastodon/twitter/discourse/or something where people care about making up the fine details of specicfic cases they know nothing about
2018-08-19T01:35:38 < mawk> cake taste better when it is made by bakers that willingly bake for you instead of doing it to comply with the law
2018-08-19T01:36:04 < catphish> cake taste better when it's made with love <3
2018-08-19T01:36:08 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-19T01:36:43 < catphish> you have to be careful when you start forcing people to do work they don't want to
2018-08-19T01:36:56 < mawk> if you don't want the baker to spit on your cake
2018-08-19T01:37:08 < catphish> but seriously, who want to buy a cake from a baker who hates you
2018-08-19T01:37:37 < catphish> unless that baker is a monopoly, the whole thing seems pointless
2018-08-19T01:37:57 < catphish> if there was only one baker, then i believe in protecting the customers
2018-08-19T01:38:37 < Cracki> lel
2018-08-19T01:39:34 < catphish> karlp: ugh, i'm clearly not one of the cool kids, i haven't used a single one of those services :(
2018-08-19T01:40:50 < catphish> the law is surprisingly complicated in the US with regard to publishing :(
2018-08-19T01:41:10 < Cracki> careful, he doesn't want to hear about it
2018-08-19T01:51:21 < karlp> nope, want my LA to magically read my usb lines properly.
2018-08-19T01:51:32 < karlp> USB works, tests all pass, but the LA just sees..... not the right thing.
2018-08-19T01:51:58 < Cracki> pity
2018-08-19T01:51:59 < karlp> guess the T lines are too long for it, but thought it woudl interfere with the device if they were too long to be read as well.
2018-08-19T01:56:19 < cpctr> Steffanx: funds are safu
2018-08-19T01:57:29 < cpctr> I'm about the invoke the final solution on vodafone and their fucking gooked out 4G modem 
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2018-08-19T02:11:50 < tomeaton17> zNice.
2018-08-19T02:20:10 < cpctr> for the 3rd time i want to cancel this sim card
2018-08-19T02:20:19 < cpctr> for the 4th time i want to cancel this sim card
2018-08-19T02:20:24 < cpctr> for the 5th time i want to cancel this sim card
2018-08-19T02:20:43 < cpctr> (vodafone, thanks)
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2018-08-19T02:23:31 < dunnousernamefn> Hey, I was wondering if there was a way to get an n-bit timer overflow before 2^n cycles (so a counter up to a number that isn't 2^n - 1, but one I specify). I'm trying to control VGA but there are a few weird numbers for the sync pulses etc.
2018-08-19T02:24:57 < Cracki> preload the counter with the remainder?
2018-08-19T02:25:14 < dunnousernamefn> can I make it so that it always preloads and I don't have to set it up on an interrupt?
2018-08-19T02:25:45 < Cracki> prescalers don't have to be powers of two
2018-08-19T02:25:53 < Cracki> or whatever the term is
2018-08-19T02:26:09 < Cracki> what chip do you use?
2018-08-19T02:26:22 < Cracki> let's open the reference
2018-08-19T02:26:23 < dunnousernamefn> probably an stm32f103c8
2018-08-19T02:26:38 < dunnousernamefn> I was looking at stm32cube but I didn't think to check the datasheet
2018-08-19T02:26:51 < Cracki> rm0008 i believe
2018-08-19T02:27:18 < Cracki> pick a timer, check out its operating modes
2018-08-19T02:27:45 < Cracki> I see "auto-reload"
2018-08-19T02:28:10 < dunnousernamefn> Where did you get the full datasheet? I just found https://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers/stm32f103c8.html but it's only an overview
2018-08-19T02:28:23 < Cracki> https://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/59/b9/ba/7f/11/af/43/d5/CD00171190.pdf/files/CD00171190.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00171190.pdf
2018-08-19T02:28:38 < Cracki> search for "reference manual" and either full chip name or series name
2018-08-19T02:28:44 < dunnousernamefn> Ohh, that's what you meant by rm0008
2018-08-19T02:29:49 < Cracki> I'm looking at basic timers (17.3) and they talk about the registers for counter, prescaler, and auto-reload
2018-08-19T02:30:01 < Cracki> I also saw a possibly configurable counting direction 
2018-08-19T02:30:18 < Cracki> and I would figure the more powerful timers available do all that shit too
2018-08-19T02:30:59 < dunnousernamefn> I didn't know that they could have non-power-of-2 as a prescaler
2018-08-19T02:31:18 < Cracki> stm32 do that ;) if you're familiar with avrs, you could think that
2018-08-19T02:31:38 < dunnousernamefn> I was going to use no-name 8051's for this project originally
2018-08-19T02:31:44 < Cracki> ic
2018-08-19T02:31:53 < dunnousernamefn> And then I thought, well, maybe ARMs are a *little* better
2018-08-19T02:32:02 < dunnousernamefn> But this has a lot of cool stuff in it
2018-08-19T02:32:17 < Cracki> you know, the prescaler is more for counting event generation. you probably want to set the auto-reload register
2018-08-19T02:32:28 < Cracki> this determines the range that is counted
2018-08-19T02:34:09 < Cracki> the prescaler logic is pretty much another timer in front of the real one
2018-08-19T02:34:25 < dunnousernamefn> I'm confused about what the Auto-reload register is
2018-08-19T02:34:30 < Cracki> you want to read about "counter modes"
2018-08-19T02:34:53 < Cracki> perhaps downcounting is what you need
2018-08-19T02:35:15 < dunnousernamefn> oh, so instead of preloading a value, I count up to a value
2018-08-19T02:35:17 < Cracki> let's look at upcounting
2018-08-19T02:35:36 < Cracki> >In upcounting mode, the counter counts from 0 to the auto-reload value (content of the TIMx_ARR register), then restarts from 0 and generates a counter overflow event.
2018-08-19T02:35:51 < Cracki> (this is from 14.3.2 not the basic counters, but eh they'll be the same)
2018-08-19T02:36:08 < Cracki> this mechanism is exactly how you control the range/period of the counter
2018-08-19T02:36:24 < Cracki> (along with whatever prescaler you choose to get the counting frequency to something suitable)
2018-08-19T02:36:32 < dunnousernamefn> ohhh, I read the exact same at 17.3.2 but it was called counter mode
2018-08-19T02:36:38 < Cracki> yes, counter modes
2018-08-19T02:36:42 < dunnousernamefn> They seem similar
2018-08-19T02:36:43 < Cracki> upcounting, downcounting, etc...
2018-08-19T02:36:57 < Cracki> they are, but I figured let's start with the simplest counters the device has :P
2018-08-19T02:37:10 < Cracki> ah, the basic ones have just one counting mode!
2018-08-19T02:37:48 < Cracki> so... what behavior would you like?
2018-08-19T02:38:00 < dunnousernamefn> I would say upcounting mode
2018-08-19T02:38:16 < dunnousernamefn> and then I can output compare for a sync pulse at the beginning, right?
2018-08-19T02:38:21 < Cracki> an interrupt every x time?
2018-08-19T02:38:25 < Cracki> huh?
2018-08-19T02:38:42 < Cracki> what's this about sync?
2018-08-19T02:38:55 < dunnousernamefn> there's a lot of crazy stuff with vga, lemme get a diagram
2018-08-19T02:39:02 < Cracki> the timer will give you an interrupt every time it restarts
2018-08-19T02:39:05 < Cracki> ah!
2018-08-19T02:39:21 < dunnousernamefn> https://i.stack.imgur.com/tGTx3.png
2018-08-19T02:39:52 < Cracki> so... do you want an input pin to clear and start the timer?
2018-08-19T02:40:29 < dunnousernamefn> That could work
2018-08-19T02:40:34 < Cracki> do you want to determine the time between two pulses?
2018-08-19T02:40:56 < Cracki> that should be possible too, more or less accurately depending on timer capability
2018-08-19T02:41:30 < dunnousernamefn> I don't need to determine the time, I just want to output the sync pulses and interrupt when the sync pulses start
2018-08-19T02:41:51 < dunnousernamefn> I think I get the basic gist of it now
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2018-08-19T02:42:36 < Cracki> if you do need to capture the counter value for some event, look at 14.3.5 "capture/compare channels"
2018-08-19T02:42:51 < Cracki> uh 14.3.6 input capture
2018-08-19T02:43:26 < dunnousernamefn> wait, can I not compare the output and cause an interrupt at the same time?
2018-08-19T02:44:07 < dunnousernamefn> wait let me think, I'm reading over this now
2018-08-19T02:45:14 < dunnousernamefn> I can interrupt once the sync pulse ends, but I can also output the sync pulse in output compare mode.
2018-08-19T02:45:23 < dunnousernamefn> That's extremely helpful
2018-08-19T02:47:50 < dunnousernamefn> I think I can figure the rest out, the manual is really helpful
2018-08-19T02:48:11 < dunnousernamefn> thank you :)
2018-08-19T02:48:12 < tomeaton17> Nice.
2018-08-19T02:48:30 < Cracki> btw, when you're on a particular part's page, the resources always list the best match for reference manual: https://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers/stm32f103c8.html#design-scroll
2018-08-19T02:48:40 < Cracki> it's not the first row, sadly :P
2018-08-19T02:49:31 < dunnousernamefn> It should be downloaded when I click "Download Datasheet". That's kind of unfortunate
2018-08-19T02:49:33 < Cracki> browse the app note titles. very useful to have heard them, in case you have some problem
2018-08-19T02:49:40 < Cracki> aye
2018-08-19T02:49:54 < Cracki> the data sheet is very bare, just parameters and stuff
2018-08-19T02:50:20 < dunnousernamefn> There are a lot of application notes, I may check those out too
2018-08-19T02:50:48 < Cracki> electrical characteristics is about 50 pages of all 117
2018-08-19T02:50:55 < Cracki> (data sheet)
2018-08-19T02:51:09 < dunnousernamefn> Yea, the 'overview' for some parts is like a paragraph
2018-08-19T02:51:21 < dunnousernamefn> But electrical characteristics are important
2018-08-19T02:51:28 < dunnousernamefn> provided you know how to use the part :P
2018-08-19T02:51:29 < Cracki> ;)
2018-08-19T02:51:46 < Cracki> they're particular to the part, while the reference manual describes the design
2018-08-19T02:51:57 < dunnousernamefn> that makes sense
2018-08-19T02:52:00 < Cracki> you'll note it talks about stm32F2xx too
2018-08-19T02:52:07 < Cracki> *f102
2018-08-19T02:52:55 < mawk> what's the emitter pulldown resistor for in the common collector transistor circuit
2018-08-19T02:53:08 < Cracki> it's different from "lesser" controller families where you *can* stuff everything in a single document ;)
2018-08-19T02:53:24 < Cracki> mawk, got a picture?
2018-08-19T02:53:34 < dunnousernamefn> I bet I could also use DMA in my VGA project...
2018-08-19T02:53:42 < dunnousernamefn> I'll look at the RM for that though
2018-08-19T02:53:54 < mawk> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/NPN_emitter_follower.svg
2018-08-19T02:53:57 < dunnousernamefn> There's a lot of interesting peripherals
2018-08-19T02:56:01 < Cracki> files linking that picture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:NPN_emitter_follower.svg
2018-08-19T02:56:21 < mawk> yeah I know
2018-08-19T02:56:36 < Cracki> I didn't :P
2018-08-19T02:56:51 < mawk> ah
2018-08-19T02:56:53 < mawk> the load should have an impedence higher than RE, and RE should be higher than the typical impedance shown by the emitter; but then what's the point of having a resistor here
2018-08-19T02:56:59 < mawk> if the load has already the correct impedance
2018-08-19T02:57:00 < Cracki> dunno why exactly there's a pulldown... the terminal would float without it, so that might be undesriable
2018-08-19T02:57:29 < Cracki> and it it were floating, you might have trouble getting current into the base
2018-08-19T02:57:49 < mawk> ah, indeed
2018-08-19T02:57:54 < mawk> thanks
2018-08-19T02:59:17 < Cracki> it says "unity gain" there
2018-08-19T02:59:25 < Cracki> so you get vout ~= vin
2018-08-19T02:59:34 < Cracki> hm
2018-08-19T03:00:18 < Cracki> yeah, if the emitter were floating (or the "load" were high impedance), you'd have trouble getting current into the base, if the input is just getting a voltage
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2018-08-19T03:06:22 < Cracki> lauren! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dk5yvnoVsAAm1WY.jpg:orig
2018-08-19T03:07:04 < Laurenceb__> lel I'm noumber 2 then
2018-08-19T03:07:58 < Cracki> the numbers for rap must be including drug dealing
2018-08-19T03:09:04 < Laurenceb__> https://i.redditmedia.com/1pwdgAwo2Mi_bipLonWCOBbOpfiD2b4qfSm_nZuySRE.png?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=960&s=4ff7a7e25d308da120cc6adaea4613cf
2018-08-19T03:09:07 < Laurenceb__> >cried
2018-08-19T03:09:53 < Cracki> >never hit a girl!
2018-08-19T03:10:09 < Cracki> I think only fatherless children get that advice
2018-08-19T03:10:09 < mawk> yeah Cracki, but unless absolutely no load was connected the transistor shouldn't care about extremely low current no ?
2018-08-19T03:10:42 < Cracki> mawk, let's kill the resistor and attach no load. you wouldn't get any current in the base, so who knows where the output floats
2018-08-19T03:12:08 < Cracki> depending on how much the load draws, you get a little more voltage drop from base to ... collector? (the bottom leg anyway) which increases the transistor's current conduction
2018-08-19T03:12:58 < mawk> emitter
2018-08-19T03:13:00 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb_ why are you up so late
2018-08-19T03:13:01 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-19T03:13:05 < Cracki> since that thing is a voltage mirror, it's intended for light loads... think touching it with a scope
2018-08-19T03:13:26 < Cracki> and for that case you need the minimum load that's the shunt
2018-08-19T03:13:35 < mawk> I wanted to use that to make a stable voltage divider
2018-08-19T03:13:46 < mawk> that doesn't collapse under load
2018-08-19T03:13:54 < Cracki> I think that should work
2018-08-19T03:14:06 < mawk> nice
2018-08-19T03:14:23 < Cracki> give the shunt enough kiloohms to be safe?
2018-08-19T03:15:06 < Cracki> well, it'll work up to the transistor's current conducting capability, and also pay attention to the transistor's beta (I think... what it said in the article there)
2018-08-19T03:15:20 < Cracki> the more the load draws, the more it'll dip
2018-08-19T03:15:46 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-19T03:16:05 < Laurenceb__> https://www.tuko.co.ke/283113-2-elderly-men-forcefully-circumcised-soy-market.html#283113
2018-08-19T03:16:08 < Laurenceb__> the memes
2018-08-19T03:16:08 < Cracki> AND... consider the current into the base, when you put a simple voltage divider before it
2018-08-19T03:16:38 < Cracki> figuring factor 500 or so, you would get microamps input for milliamps output
2018-08-19T03:16:49 < Cracki> >at soy market
2018-08-19T03:16:52 < cpctr> ty laurence
2018-08-19T03:16:58 < Cracki> not so veggy after all!
2018-08-19T03:17:02 < Laurenceb__> they are soyboys now
2018-08-19T03:17:48 < mawk> what's making the gain less than unity (besides the diode voltage drop that also depends on collector current) there is the intrinsic resistance of the base-emitter junction, that also depends on IC
2018-08-19T03:18:04 < mawk> that forms a voltage divider with that shunt resistor indeed
2018-08-19T03:18:14 < Cracki> minimally
2018-08-19T03:18:49 < Cracki> I'm actually not sure how that thing would behave... I'd have to construct it in falstad's circuitjs and observe
2018-08-19T03:20:41 < Laurenceb__> >js
2018-08-19T03:21:30 < mawk> it's what my analog electronics book says, if I recall correctly
2018-08-19T03:21:32 < Cracki> http://www.falstad.com/circuit/circuitjs.html
2018-08-19T03:21:47 < Cracki> way simpler than getting into some spice simulation prgoram
2018-08-19T03:22:11 < mawk> like you take ebers-moll equation, take the derivative of V_BE by I_C and you get a dynamic resistance for the BE junction
2018-08-19T03:22:28 < mawk> which gives that small intrinsic resistance lowering the common collector gain
2018-08-19T03:23:04 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/9gejuqrpz/
2018-08-19T03:25:08 < cpctr> ty for that quality stm32 material sir
2018-08-19T03:26:14 < Cracki> hahah doms don't need smarts, they need good elbow joints
2018-08-19T03:29:12 < Laurenceb__> le reddit is a lulz goldmine
2018-08-19T03:38:25 < cpctr> it is
2018-08-19T03:38:31 < cpctr> shame about violentacrez
2018-08-19T03:40:16 < Cracki> some falstad for messing around: http://tinyurl.com/y92mpepa
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2018-08-19T03:43:15 < cpctr> the golden age of falstad
2018-08-19T03:46:29 < Cracki> how it affects the voltage divider: http://tinyurl.com/ybyxjjj6
2018-08-19T03:56:02 < cpctr> ty for bringing me back to happy times Cracki 
2018-08-19T03:56:22 < cpctr> understanding BJTs and current sources is where I really started to enjoy electronics
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2018-08-19T04:01:25 < dunnousernamefn> I just had this idea that I could use the DMA and UART to push data really fast from a framebuffer to a VGA
2018-08-19T04:04:47 < dunnousernamefn> Actually SPI could work faster
2018-08-19T04:11:37 < Cracki> oh and whoever got me onto "travelers"... I see familiar faces, so the show might be good too :P
2018-08-19T04:12:21 < Cracki> dunnousernamefn, if you wanna generate a vga signal, you'll need a dac... so either you have one, or you make an r-2r network and supply it with parallel bits
2018-08-19T04:12:30 < Cracki> either way... uart is prolly useless for your application
2018-08-19T04:12:43 < Cracki> you can use dma to set a whole port or half of it at a time
2018-08-19T04:16:21 < cpctr> jesus christ 
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2018-08-19T04:21:02 < Cracki> cryptic capacitor
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2018-08-19T04:26:02 < cpctr> hi sir
2018-08-19T04:26:07 < dunnousernamefn> I was thinking of just using digital for now
2018-08-19T04:26:17 < igorkelvin> hello
2018-08-19T04:26:35 < dunnousernamefn> Can I make DMA wait before sending more SPI data?
2018-08-19T04:26:57 < Cracki> you can couple it with a timer
2018-08-19T04:27:56 < Cracki> set timer to generate interrupts at pixel clock frequency, hook that up to either dma or just write to the port in the interrupt routine
2018-08-19T04:28:17 < dunnousernamefn> What if my clock speed is like, 4x pixel clock?
2018-08-19T04:28:19 < Cracki> perhaps you can even poke the DMA and have no interrupt routine at all
2018-08-19T04:28:35 < dunnousernamefn> Like an even multiple
2018-08-19T04:28:35 < Cracki> wat?
2018-08-19T04:28:49 < dunnousernamefn> I was trying to make it easier if I was going to do it with the CPU
2018-08-19T04:28:55 < dunnousernamefn> But now I'm looking at DMA
2018-08-19T04:28:55 < Cracki> what kinda pixel clock do you want?
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2018-08-19T04:29:06 < dunnousernamefn> ~24-25 MHz
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2018-08-19T04:29:12 < dunnousernamefn> I guess that wouldn't work
2018-08-19T04:29:21 < Cracki> hm. you need to generate data that fast too,y ou know
2018-08-19T04:29:45 < dunnousernamefn> I was going to do some more DMA and put the frame buffer in memory
2018-08-19T04:29:47 < Cracki> or perhaps you should consider a standalone chip to do this
2018-08-19T04:31:09 < Cracki> 25 Mhz that could be 25 fps, 1 million pixels per frame, that's about HD resolution
2018-08-19T04:31:11 < dunnousernamefn> I don't need to push data out that fast, I would go below the pixel clock frequency and do 4 pixels at a time, all one color
2018-08-19T04:31:37 < dongs> dunnousernamefn: SPI has been used to overlay stuff on analog ntsc signal
2018-08-19T04:31:43 < dongs> you DMA per scanline
2018-08-19T04:32:06 < Cracki> that will possibly yield you 3 bits (8 colors)
2018-08-19T04:32:10 < dongs> there's demos out there doing ful vga output on STM32F4
2018-08-19T04:32:12 < Cracki> that would be easy and quick
2018-08-19T04:32:17 < Cracki> o.o
2018-08-19T04:32:43 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsToQmFndpg
2018-08-19T04:33:13 < dunnousernamefn> To be honest, I was looking at software-compatible higher-frequency ARM micros. They're called GD32F103C8 because they resemble STM32 that much
2018-08-19T04:33:22 < Cracki> 640x480? 320x240? 320x200?
2018-08-19T04:33:22 < dunnousernamefn> They run at about 25% higher clock speed
2018-08-19T04:33:29 < dongs> i don't.. think.. you're going to do VGA with F103
2018-08-19T04:33:30 < cpctr> they didn't leave the number to dial fro their BBS
2018-08-19T04:33:32 < Cracki> hehe they do their own dac
2018-08-19T04:33:33 < cpctr> wtf is going on here?
2018-08-19T04:33:51 < dunnousernamefn> I'm fine with even 160x120
2018-08-19T04:34:04 < dunnousernamefn> but the minimum standard is 640x480 I think
2018-08-19T04:34:22 < dunnousernamefn> what I would do is change the output every 4 pixel cycles
2018-08-19T04:34:22 < dongs> there'ssurely 320x240x256c mode in VGA
2018-08-19T04:34:31 < dongs> mode13 or whaetver the fuck its called
2018-08-19T04:34:47 < dunnousernamefn> But I'm not sure if that's just for the BIOS and it really outputs 640x480
2018-08-19T04:34:52 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymGCeG9_6c0 more by same guys
2018-08-19T04:35:30 < Cracki> their vga code contains identifiers such as SetVGAScreenMode320x240 and that's the highest they have
2018-08-19T04:36:25 < Cracki> and possibly a bug if I read this right
2018-08-19T04:36:41 < Cracki> their SetVGAScreenMode212x175 sets up for 117 lines
2018-08-19T04:37:15 < dongs> lol @ asm mixed in header files
2018-08-19T04:37:29 < dongs> fucking gnu/tords
2018-08-19T04:37:30 < Cracki> code in headers, that's a C++ism
2018-08-19T04:37:32 < dongs> turd rather
2018-08-19T04:37:34 < dongs> yeah
2018-08-19T04:37:53 < dongs> well
2018-08-19T04:37:56 < dongs> inlines have to be in headers in C
2018-08-19T04:38:27 < Cracki> I still hope for LTO doing its magic
2018-08-19T04:38:39 < dunnousernamefn> I might choose some bigger device for this
2018-08-19T04:38:48 < dunnousernamefn> One with a DAC
2018-08-19T04:38:49 < dongs> what are you even trying to do
2018-08-19T04:38:49 < cpctr> oh
2018-08-19T04:38:52 < cpctr> this is for STM32
2018-08-19T04:39:05 < Cracki> don't bother picking an stm32 with a dac
2018-08-19T04:39:05 < dunnousernamefn> :P
2018-08-19T04:39:06 < dongs> no dac on stm32 is fast enough for vga
2018-08-19T04:39:13 < Cracki> unless it has three and you can run them at pixel clock speed
2018-08-19T04:39:27 < Cracki> there's a reason there are chips called "VIDEO dacs"
2018-08-19T04:40:10 < dunnousernamefn> I don't see anything that says I can clock DMA
2018-08-19T04:40:14 < Cracki> if you wanna do graphics with a microcontroller, consider something "smart" that receives drawing commands (line, rectangle, text, ...)
2018-08-19T04:40:35 < Cracki> there are lcd modules that do this
2018-08-19T04:41:21 < Cracki> some discovery boards come with lcd
2018-08-19T04:41:28 < Cracki> and those stm32 contain some graphics acceleration
2018-08-19T04:41:44 < Cracki> look into how that's done, might give you a better idea of what you would want
2018-08-19T04:43:07 < igorkelvin> hi guys, sorry for interrupt this nice conversation
2018-08-19T04:43:23 < igorkelvin> what are you using for programming, STM32Cube?
2018-08-19T04:43:35 < dongs> programming what?
2018-08-19T04:44:01 < dongs> last i checked stm32cube didn't have a programmer. it was some separate new java shit that i never used
2018-08-19T04:44:09 < igorkelvin> got a bunch on blue pills, maple mini and one discovery board STM32VL (F100)
2018-08-19T04:44:20 < igorkelvin> trying to start on the STM32VL
2018-08-19T04:44:31 < igorkelvin> yeah, don't have
2018-08-19T04:44:32 < dongs> for F103 ther's no reason not to go with stdperiphlib, chibios, libopencm3, etc
2018-08-19T04:44:47 < igorkelvin> using arm-nonce-eabi-gcc
2018-08-19T04:44:47 < dongs> i.e. anything that isnt cube madness
2018-08-19T04:45:26 < igorkelvin> sorry, I am a bit lost with all that
2018-08-19T04:45:38 < dunnousernamefn> if you use raw arm assembly, the datasheet is your friend for accessing registers
2018-08-19T04:45:46 < igorkelvin> you recommend using cube or STDL?
2018-08-19T04:45:52 < dunnousernamefn> OH, and CMSIS, do we have that with STM32?
2018-08-19T04:46:03 < igorkelvin> yeah
2018-08-19T04:46:15 < igorkelvin> looks like it comes together in Cube
2018-08-19T04:46:24 < cpctr> ty
2018-08-19T04:46:44 < dongs> if you do't know what youre doing and want to know evne less when you're done, tehn cube is perfect solution
2018-08-19T04:46:52 < dunnousernamefn> cube is a bit funky
2018-08-19T04:47:11 < dunnousernamefn> I have to compile stuff from a generated source directory and I can't remember if it worked last time
2018-08-19T04:47:21 < igorkelvin> cube looks like a shady business
2018-08-19T04:47:23 < dunnousernamefn> It just copy-pastes code into a directory
2018-08-19T04:48:37 < igorkelvin> have too much macros and functions
2018-08-19T04:48:54 < dongs> __CRUISE_CAPSLOCK_ON();
2018-08-19T04:48:55 < dunnousernamefn> CMSIS *seems* like the right way to go, but I've never used it
2018-08-19T04:48:57 < igorkelvin> I fear learning it and regretting long after
2018-08-19T04:49:05 < dongs> < dongs> if you do't know what youre doing and want to know evne less when you're done, tehn cube is perfect solution
2018-08-19T04:49:15 < dongs> so I already told you 3 other solutions that work great for F10x series.
2018-08-19T04:49:18 < dongs> since they're old enough
2018-08-19T04:49:42 < dunnousernamefn> if you enjoy frustration then cube is your best friend
2018-08-19T04:50:02 < dongs> on F103C8 you have 64k (well really 128) flash and if you use cube, like 12k of that is gonna be used by startup code.
2018-08-19T04:50:07 < dunnousernamefn> the user interface breaks when I use the scroll wheel and it selects random stuff
2018-08-19T04:50:15 < dongs> thats java for you
2018-08-19T04:50:36 < igorkelvin> looks convincing enough
2018-08-19T04:51:02 < igorkelvin> was looking for a good excuse to use stdperiphlib
2018-08-19T04:51:12 < igorkelvin> now that I have printed a material what uses it
2018-08-19T04:52:31 < igorkelvin> thanks
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2018-08-19T04:59:03 < Cracki> here some random describes how CMSIS, stdperiph, cubemx, HAL, LL, ... relate to each other: https://www.purplealienplanet.com/node/61
2018-08-19T05:03:13 < cpctr> 2 years ago I'd have taken that one to bed
2018-08-19T05:03:16 < cpctr> and read it
2018-08-19T05:06:00 < igorkelvin> he has a similar post from this year https://www.purplealienplanet.com/node/69
2018-08-19T05:09:05 < cpctr> cool
2018-08-19T05:10:35 < cpctr> thanks man
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2018-08-19T05:33:54 < cpctr> https://i.imgur.com/GrIRH0O.jpg
2018-08-19T05:34:21 < cpctr> and leeloo https://i.imgur.com/AzfGGMM.png
2018-08-19T05:36:52 < Cracki> kek
2018-08-19T05:37:28 < Cracki> I'd say that's a good thing
2018-08-19T05:39:04 < Cracki> electronics is in the hands of the stalinists tho
2018-08-19T05:45:22 < cpctr> Yeah I’ve been trying to get banned from there forever
2018-08-19T05:49:05 < dongs> < cpctr> https://i.imgur.com/GrIRH0O.jpg
2018-08-19T05:49:06 < dongs> ancient
2018-08-19T05:49:24 < dongs> cpctr: lmao @ leloo
2018-08-19T05:49:47 < dongs> is this now>?
2018-08-19T05:49:48 < dongs> or old
2018-08-19T05:49:56 < dongs> hm timestamp looks old
2018-08-19T05:51:34 < Cracki> you're trying? not hard enough! I'm banned from ##electronics for something minor I can't even remember. they either hold grudges or never clean their ban list
2018-08-19T05:51:56 < dongs> stonertronics is retarded
2018-08-19T05:52:27 < dongs> jesus fuck 2080ti is 300W card
2018-08-19T05:52:44 < Cracki> that's what you burn when you get ten jiggarays per second
2018-08-19T05:53:05 < dongs> https://wccftech.com/asus-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-strix-dual-and-turbo-graphics-cards-spotted/ PNY 2080 looks OK
2018-08-19T05:53:38 < Cracki> 11 gigs of ram, that's little
2018-08-19T05:54:10 < dongs> oh ti and non-ti is same wattage
2018-08-19T05:54:11 < dongs> wtf
2018-08-19T05:54:16 < dongs> rip
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2018-08-19T06:03:42 < Sadale> wut? 11G is many.
2018-08-19T06:06:49 < Cracki> current cards have 12-16 or more
2018-08-19T06:06:59 < Cracki> high end of course, which the 2080(ti) should be
2018-08-19T06:10:09 < Cracki> some quadros with volta even have 32 gigs
2018-08-19T06:10:18 < Cracki> (for 8000 bucks)
2018-08-19T06:16:13 < Cracki> turing came quickly after volta. it's volta plus raytracing (and int8/int4 crunch)
2018-08-19T06:16:53 < Cracki> they'll differentiate markets between raytracing and deep learning
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2018-08-19T07:22:38 < upgrdman> https://www.reddit.com/r/CrappyDesign/comments/98fhxf/somethings_wrong/
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2018-08-19T07:32:30 < Cracki> comments are a surprise
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2018-08-19T08:00:03 < cpctr> Dongs that screenshot was my old phone about a year ago
2018-08-19T08:00:48 < cpctr> Also Cracki electronics is run by angry autistic people who take daily ass ramming by furious niggers
2018-08-19T08:01:05 < Cracki> no argument there
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2018-08-19T08:33:41 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/RkRBak8.jpg
2018-08-19T08:33:52 < englishman> left is now, right is 2 months ago
2018-08-19T08:54:41 < Sadale> awww
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2018-08-19T11:20:13 < gnom> https://i.imgur.com/kbf8RHE.png
2018-08-19T11:25:55 < Sadale> gnom, lol where did you found that pic
2018-08-19T11:28:12 < gnom> https://imgur.com/gallery/A9XodCr
2018-08-19T11:32:30 < Sadale> lol.
2018-08-19T11:32:35 < Sadale> I thought that this channel were about stm32 :P
2018-08-19T11:32:49 < zyp> Sadale, occasionally it is
2018-08-19T11:37:32 < Sadale> I guess that's just the same as any other freenode channels. We talk about anything in any channel :P
2018-08-19T11:37:33 < jadew> https://i.redditmedia.com/ZnhllEdlgdzJaL9Gdv6E6gt_Fi1fv6dml-MGkojtgps.jpg?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=640&s=6ea5d0f7866c83b0716aca371dc8a309
2018-08-19T11:38:03 < Sadale> ohh! Bad! That pic triggers my OCD!
2018-08-19T11:53:36 < Steffanx> Photoshop wont kill you.
2018-08-19T11:53:39 < Steffanx> I hope
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2018-08-19T12:51:29 < catphish> morning dudes
2018-08-19T12:56:54 < cpctr> hi
2018-08-19T13:00:09 < Sadale> evening :3
2018-08-19T13:00:19 < cpctr> ty
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2018-08-19T13:04:47 < Steffanx> Welcome
2018-08-19T13:10:44 < cpctr> hii
2018-08-19T13:28:29 < Steffanx> Was today nice to you cpctr ?
2018-08-19T13:29:32 < cpctr> yes
2018-08-19T13:29:51 < cpctr> the friends cat tried to adopt me
2018-08-19T13:30:04 < cpctr> without realising i had no foodstuffs to offer
2018-08-19T13:30:56 < Steffanx> He just new you usually are a good butler
2018-08-19T13:32:54 < Steffanx> Knew*
2018-08-19T13:33:35 < cpctr> yah
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2018-08-19T13:37:50 < cpctr> how do i talk to the germans
2018-08-19T13:38:39 < Sadale> Learn deustch. :P
2018-08-19T13:39:10 < Sadale> hmm. How do I spell it. Is it deutsch?
2018-08-19T13:40:27 < cpctr> i think so
2018-08-19T13:40:33 < cpctr> not deustch
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2018-08-19T13:50:13 < Steffanx> Deutsch
2018-08-19T13:51:04 < Steffanx> Just enjoy their english, cpctr 
2018-08-19T13:51:41 < cpctr> yeah they do speak a good english
2018-08-19T13:51:50 < Steffanx> Nah. Sure?
2018-08-19T13:52:06 < Steffanx> I think it depends on the region and the age of zhe germans
2018-08-19T13:52:16 < cpctr> maybe
2018-08-19T13:52:39 < jpa-> why would you talk to germans anyway?
2018-08-19T13:52:50 < cpctr> most i 'know' speak it well
2018-08-19T13:53:29 < cpctr> i just do happen to
2018-08-19T13:53:52 < Steffanx> Should jpa and i go to germany too?
2018-08-19T13:54:06 < Steffanx> Talk finnish and dutch to you
2018-08-19T13:54:07 < cpctr> if you want to
2018-08-19T13:54:15 < cpctr> im not in germany
2018-08-19T13:54:26 < Steffanx> Yet??
2018-08-19T13:54:48 < cpctr> i guess
2018-08-19T13:54:59 < Steffanx> Hm
2018-08-19T13:55:20 < cpctr> china
2018-08-19T13:56:59 < cpctr> thats possible
2018-08-19T13:57:50 < cpctr> not that i'd enjoy it
2018-08-19T14:00:42 < Steffanx> Not sure. Perhaps Sadale has a nice place you can crash at.
2018-08-19T14:01:13 < Sadale> ching chong :P
2018-08-19T14:01:22 < Sadale> nihao :3
2018-08-19T14:03:52 < cpctr> oh
2018-08-19T14:04:17 < cpctr> not sure what ching chong means
2018-08-19T14:05:41 < Steffanx> Thats is something a child says when it tries to speak chinese
2018-08-19T14:06:09 < Sadale> "ching chong" refers to Chinese language or Chinese people. It's a slur. So avoid using it. :p
2018-08-19T14:06:22 < cpctr> oh 
2018-08-19T14:06:39 < cpctr> why did you say it then?
2018-08-19T14:06:39 < Sadale> Example: "There's no way that I'm going to date that ching chong!"
2018-08-19T14:06:52 < Sadale> ... because I'm Chinese? D
2018-08-19T14:06:53 < Sadale> ... because I'm Chinese? xD
2018-08-19T14:07:01 < cpctr> me too
2018-08-19T14:07:30 < Sadale> oh? :O
2018-08-19T14:07:35 < Sadale> cpctr, are you living in China?
2018-08-19T14:07:47 < cpctr> no im on irc
2018-08-19T14:07:56 < Sadale> oh ok.
2018-08-19T14:08:07 < Sadale> guess I've misunderstood you
2018-08-19T14:08:22 < cpctr> that means steffan's bed
2018-08-19T14:08:34 < Steffanx> idk about my bed
2018-08-19T14:08:50 < cpctr> did you find a duck
2018-08-19T14:11:13 < Steffanx> Good old times. At elementary school we would always sing "Happy birthday" when class mate had its birthday. We would also sing it in chinese "Hanky panky shanghi". And we would use our fingers to make  slit eyes.
2018-08-19T14:11:15 < Steffanx> Good old times.
2018-08-19T14:11:38 < Steffanx> *shanghai
2018-08-19T14:11:57 < Steffanx> i get the idea nowadays that would be entitled as racism.
2018-08-19T14:12:30 < cpctr> not in good old steffanland'
2018-08-19T14:12:48 < cpctr> bet you gave them all the wooden boot
2018-08-19T14:13:09 < Sadale> lol I didn't know that there were such a lyrics ntil you tell you about that.
2018-08-19T14:13:38 < Sadale> hopefully there's no Chinese student in the classroom
2018-08-19T14:15:55 < Steffanx> nah, the SJWs tried to ban that song, and i think they kinda succeeded, cpctr
2018-08-19T14:16:11 < cpctr> of course
2018-08-19T14:16:52 < Sadale> awww
2018-08-19T14:16:56 < Sadale> one less fun thing to do
2018-08-19T14:35:24 < Sadale> great. LCD module isn't working. trying to figure out why
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2018-08-19T14:38:06 < dongs> lunix
2018-08-19T14:41:26 < zyp> englishman, this is bullshit: https://voltas-it.helpshift.com/a/obdeleven/?p=android&contact=1&s=restrictions&f=why-i-can-t-find-obdeleven-application-in-google-play-store&l=en
2018-08-19T14:42:08 < Steffanx> hehehe, great.
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2018-08-19T14:42:51 < Steffanx> wonder if Torque (Pro) has such agreement
2018-08-19T14:54:03 < dongs> Torquing
2018-08-19T14:54:54 < Steffanx> zano trigger alert?
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2018-08-19T16:38:06 < Steffanx> so got some lora network yet, englishbot ?
2018-08-19T16:38:08 < Steffanx> englishman even
2018-08-19T16:47:35 < Laurenceb__> https://regmedia.co.uk/2018/08/17/screenshot_patent_us_6368268.png?x=442&y=293&crop=1
2018-08-19T16:59:51 < englishman> Steffanx: it's Sunday
2018-08-19T17:00:44 < englishman> LOL zyp
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2018-08-19T17:21:35 < Steffanx> Yes, god forbids you to work on sunday englishman ?
2018-08-19T17:21:39 < Steffanx> *hobby
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2018-08-19T17:26:50 < tctw> how are people feeling today?
2018-08-19T17:27:09 < emeb> itchy
2018-08-19T17:27:20 < tctw> how come?
2018-08-19T17:27:57 < emeb> Had a wind storm last week. Had to replace a shingle on the roof yesterday. Shingles have fiberglass in them. I didn't wear gloves.
2018-08-19T17:28:18 < tctw> makes sense
2018-08-19T17:28:23 < tctw> I'd recommend to wear gloves next time
2018-08-19T17:29:01 < emeb> Thanks. I hadn't thought of that. :P
2018-08-19T17:29:10 < Steffanx> i feel complete now tctw . We have you back.
2018-08-19T17:29:28 < tctw> :*
2018-08-19T17:30:43 < englishman> tctw: friend of yours? http://i.imgur.com/fqgkXlX.jpg
2018-08-19T17:31:24 < tctw> englishman, nope
2018-08-19T17:31:29  * tctw doesn't know every swisser
2018-08-19T17:31:34 < englishman> sure
2018-08-19T17:32:18 < englishman> Steffanx, loraparts won't be arriving on a Sunday
2018-08-19T17:34:05 < tctw> can you source lora parts?
2018-08-19T17:34:20  * tctw is in need of some stuff
2018-08-19T17:34:32 < tctw> or rather one of my customers
2018-08-19T17:34:57 < tctw> some murata module
2018-08-19T17:35:11 < tctw> <insert unknown part number>
2018-08-19T17:36:59 < Steffanx> CMWX1ZZABZ someyhing?
2018-08-19T17:37:27 < Sadale> How do you tell which pin is pin1 for flex cable of LCd?
2018-08-19T17:37:28 < tctw> yes
2018-08-19T17:37:33 < tctw> something like that
2018-08-19T17:37:40 < tctw> Sadale, usually there's some sort of marking. got a picture?
2018-08-19T17:37:41 < dongs> the datasheet will tell you
2018-08-19T17:37:47 < tctw> also that ^
2018-08-19T17:38:07 < Sadale> The datasheet does. But I don't know if it is front-view or back view.
2018-08-19T17:38:16 < Sadale> I guess it makes more sense to be front-view, tho
2018-08-19T17:38:16 < tctw> the datasheet usually tells you that as well
2018-08-19T17:38:18 < dongs> it should fucking tell you
2018-08-19T17:38:25 < tctw> usually reads "always" here
2018-08-19T17:38:27 < dongs> or else its a garbage datashet
2018-08-19T17:38:33 < tctw> ^
2018-08-19T17:38:39 < englishman> tctw: sure
2018-08-19T17:38:44 < englishman> that murata module is everywhere
2018-08-19T17:38:56 < Sadale> I see. Let me read again.
2018-08-19T17:38:57 < englishman> even on st devobard
2018-08-19T17:39:00 < tctw> englishman, I was in need for 5k pcs a couple of months ago and back then I couldn't managed to get more than 600
2018-08-19T17:39:03 < Steffanx> and englishman  happens to have 10k/pc in stock
2018-08-19T17:39:16 < tctw> I have to check the mouser and digifuck again
2018-08-19T17:39:19 < englishman> well i didnt see anyone asking in ##stm32
2018-08-19T17:39:31 < Steffanx> Stock:34.776 Can Dispatch Immediately
2018-08-19T17:40:05 < tctw> <3
2018-08-19T17:40:25 < tctw> customer decided to put that on hold and make a production run of a different product in the mean time
2018-08-19T17:41:28 < Sadale> englishman, which murata module?
2018-08-19T17:41:53 < Sadale> One of the product I'm involved at work also have a murata module. It's a wifi one.
2018-08-19T17:42:07 < Steffanx> this is lora Sadale
2018-08-19T17:42:13 < Sadale> I see. cool! :)
2018-08-19T17:42:34 < tctw> what are you loraing, Steffanx ?
2018-08-19T17:42:46 < Steffanx> Im LORA-ing nothing
2018-08-19T17:43:00 < Steffanx> i did want to play around with it a bit though
2018-08-19T17:43:03 < Steffanx> *do
2018-08-19T17:43:30 < englishman> Sadale: the lora one, CMWX1ZZABZ
2018-08-19T17:43:31 < Steffanx> perhaps with sigfox too. and it seems this murata module can do that too.
2018-08-19T17:43:40 < englishman> it does
2018-08-19T17:43:43 < Sadale> ahhhh!
2018-08-19T17:44:02 < Sadale> Probably for work I guess. I couldn't think of any case of using such a module for hobby :P
2018-08-19T17:44:03 < englishman> can even get it with L082 for fast cryptoz
2018-08-19T17:44:09 < Steffanx> fancy.
2018-08-19T17:44:21 < englishman> but yes steffs, this lorawan concentrator should be here monday/tuesday
2018-08-19T17:44:24 < Laurenceb__> as long as you dont stick a µSD directly under the antenna its all good
2018-08-19T17:44:43 < Steffanx> And as we have both country wide commercial lora and sigfox network, it would be nice to play with that tctw
2018-08-19T17:44:48 < Steffanx> -both
2018-08-19T17:45:15 < Laurenceb__> is there firmware for the L0?
2018-08-19T17:45:15 < Steffanx> +a
2018-08-19T17:45:19 < englishman> yeah, hobby lorawan
2018-08-19T17:45:37 < Steffanx> hobby lorawan?
2018-08-19T17:45:54 < englishman> well the concentrator is cheap enough due to opensores, and that's the expensive part of the system
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2018-08-19T17:48:14 < Steffanx> englishman will join ttn?
2018-08-19T17:48:28 < englishman> probably
2018-08-19T17:48:36 < englishman> although linking it with another service seems annoying
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2018-08-19T17:48:52 < mawk> 3.6 V nice contrast, 3.5 V horribly purpleish text
2018-08-19T17:49:06 < mawk> my LCD screen isn't very much compatible with wobbly breadboard contacts
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2018-08-19T18:18:18 < mawk> my lame usb power supply was at 4.8V, and by the time I got the proper resistors to adjust the contrast for that value it dropped to 4.2V
2018-08-19T18:18:31 < mawk> maybe my home-made breakout cable isn't perfectly soldered, but I doubt that
2018-08-19T18:18:37 < mawk> USB hubs do that often ?
2018-08-19T18:18:42 < mawk> eg not output proper 5V
2018-08-19T18:20:33 < tomeaton17> yes, I think the standard allows the voltage to be as low as 4.4V
2018-08-19T18:20:43 < Steffanx> mine oscillates at like 0.2-0.5Hz between 4.4 and 4.8
2018-08-19T18:20:58 < Steffanx> that is annoying since some sensor was powered directly from the vbus
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2018-08-19T22:26:10 < Steffanx> lol how many different ips are you going to use tctw_ ?
2018-08-19T22:30:35 < Cracki> 2^64 perhaps
2018-08-19T22:31:12 < Cracki> I'm glad I got a "smart" filter on join/part/... messages
2018-08-19T22:32:16 < Ultrasauce> hackers on steroids
2018-08-19T22:33:47 < Guest65392> https://postimg.cc/gallery/24w3uul3m/
2018-08-19T22:34:02 < Steffanx> smart as in.. you wont see all the joins/quit when nothing happened in between or something Cracki ?
2018-08-19T22:34:14 < Cracki> yes
2018-08-19T22:35:14 < Cracki> I can't rewrite history so it's a bit ugly, but quite serviceable
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2018-08-19T22:35:40 < Cracki> what does this mean, Guest65392 
2018-08-19T22:36:18 < Ultrasauce> blaxposts transcend meaning and necessity
2018-08-19T22:36:32 < Cracki> if someone spoke, I see part/quit/join as it happens. if someone hasn't... I don't see it, or on the first message.
2018-08-19T22:37:09 < Cracki> good enough for me to know if someone will see my reply (or has gone poof already)
2018-08-19T22:37:56 < Cracki> that's a real problem in support channels... impatient people and people with jittery connections
2018-08-19T22:38:10 < Steffanx> luckily ##stm32 isnt a support channel :P
2018-08-19T22:39:02 < Cracki> I also have something that helps me ignore certain users, without making them completely invisible
2018-08-19T22:39:17 < Steffanx> aha.
2018-08-19T22:39:37 < Guest65392> Cracki: thats not a grrrl, and he knows it
2018-08-19T22:39:44 < Cracki> wut
2018-08-19T22:40:03 < Cracki> the gothy witch in the one pic?
2018-08-19T22:40:09 < Steffanx> must be some boring brit show.
2018-08-19T22:40:16 < Cracki> ^
2018-08-19T22:40:35 < Cracki> where do they hide their crumpets
2018-08-19T22:40:44 < Cracki> where's the tea!
2018-08-19T22:42:27 < Steffanx> next to the coffee
2018-08-19T22:43:44 < Guest65392> https://postimg.cc/image/c93t6gi35/
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2018-08-19T22:55:31 < Cracki> goysplaining
2018-08-19T22:55:42 < Cracki> oh boy, now they're openly calling us CATTLE
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2018-08-19T23:12:03 < bitmask> https://youtu.be/14dGDAhhiVo :P
2018-08-19T23:12:20 < bitmask> so much for hacking together a pcb etch, I gotta wait until I have more time to play around
2018-08-19T23:13:00 < Steffanx> such 2d printer :)
2018-08-19T23:13:39 < Steffanx> Why lift the pen so far up bitmask ?
2018-08-19T23:13:42 < bitmask> I gotta check what tool overlap % I chose, it must have been like 80%
2018-08-19T23:14:20 < bitmask> haha I know, I just don't have options set up right now for that so I just set it to max for now
2018-08-19T23:14:45 < bitmask> down is set by the knob for this quick test
2018-08-19T23:18:40 < Steffanx> ah
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2018-08-19T23:29:11 < cpctr> Good mornings
2018-08-19T23:29:25 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome.
2018-08-19T23:41:05 < Cracki> I think you can reduce the z stroke on that plotter
2018-08-19T23:41:18 < Cracki> just hardcode it :P
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2018-08-20T00:00:44 < mawk> I'm using a transistor to power on/off a power rail and the tension seems a little unstable (in the mechanics sense), did I do something wrong ? or it's just my breadboard that's too cheap and wobbly: http://tinyurl.com/y8ruvoqp
2018-08-20T00:01:32 < mawk> I took the base resistor such that we're in saturation for everything under ~100mA
2018-08-20T00:01:38 < mawk> which should be right
2018-08-20T00:05:03 < mawk> see Cracki I used your site lol
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2018-08-20T00:22:08 < Cracki> tension, mechanics?
2018-08-20T00:31:36 < Thorn> is the power rail a cantilever
2018-08-20T00:31:47 < cpctr> I want to buy a dog
2018-08-20T00:32:18 < cpctr> Iggy will be the name
2018-08-20T00:35:51 < mawk> tension is voltage Cracki 
2018-08-20T00:35:53 < mawk> at least in french
2018-08-20T00:36:01 < mawk> so I thought it'd be in english too
2018-08-20T00:36:20 < Cracki> why did you say "mechanics sense" when you're talking about electrons
2018-08-20T00:36:34 < mawk> and unstable in the mechanics sense is that once I wobble a bit the connection the voltage drops and doesn't come back up until I cycle the whole power
2018-08-20T00:36:43 < Cracki> tension is actually on the rise as the proper word for "voltage"
2018-08-20T00:36:44 < mawk> unstable as in unstable equilibrium
2018-08-20T00:36:56 < Cracki> clean your breadboard perhaps
2018-08-20T00:36:59 < Cracki> clean the contacts
2018-08-20T00:37:44 < cpctr> I like potential difference
2018-08-20T00:37:59 < mawk> like in mechanics where dU/dt = 0 but d²U/dt² < 0
2018-08-20T00:39:35 < Ultrasauce> what is the load?
2018-08-20T00:39:39 < mawk> an lcd screen
2018-08-20T00:39:51 < Ultrasauce> a bit more complicated than a resistor then
2018-08-20T00:40:09 < Ultrasauce> so you're switching its ground pin
2018-08-20T00:40:31 < mawk> yes
2018-08-20T00:40:59 < Ultrasauce> do you know how a digital input is usually architected?
2018-08-20T00:41:06 < mawk> yes, kinda
2018-08-20T00:41:18 < Ultrasauce> with protection diodes to both of the device's rails
2018-08-20T00:41:21 < mawk> to prevent ground path by the digital pins I set them high before switching off the transistor
2018-08-20T00:41:38 < BrainDamage> you need to be careful with that, leaving ground floating you risk that IO will power your device
2018-08-20T00:41:49 < mawk> indeed
2018-08-20T00:41:54 < Ultrasauce> high = 3.3v?
2018-08-20T00:42:04 < mawk> ah !
2018-08-20T00:42:08 < mawk> here's the problem
2018-08-20T00:42:10 < mawk> yes, 3.3V
2018-08-20T00:42:13 < mawk> and the lcd is 5V
2018-08-20T00:42:23 < Ultrasauce> bingo
2018-08-20T00:42:25 < mawk> I'm gonna make them float instead, using open drain
2018-08-20T00:42:31 < mawk> thanks
2018-08-20T00:43:06 < Ultrasauce> it's possible they'll still be similarly clamped to the mcu's rail
2018-08-20T00:43:42 < Ultrasauce> high-side switching would be advisable, using a p-mosfet
2018-08-20T00:45:02 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-20T00:45:09 < mawk> and put the digital pins at 0
2018-08-20T00:45:55 < mawk> but for that I need to wait until I hit the mosfet chapter of my book
2018-08-20T00:46:33 < Ultrasauce> pnp would work if a lower vcc is acceptable
2018-08-20T00:46:51 < Ultrasauce> (and mosfets are quite simple to model)
2018-08-20T00:47:17 < mawk> by lower you mean something like 0.3V less ?
2018-08-20T00:47:34 < mawk> V_CE value on saturation
2018-08-20T00:47:45 < Ultrasauce> yes
2018-08-20T00:49:04 < Ultrasauce> (which i guess has been the case already with your lowside switch)
2018-08-20T00:50:46 < mawk> yes
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2018-08-20T00:52:26 < jadew> anyone knows a good batery calculator?
2018-08-20T00:52:33 < jadew> battery
2018-08-20T00:53:03 < jadew> something that can perhaps draw the voltage curve over time (knowing how much current I'm going to draw)
2018-08-20T00:55:15 < mawk> if it doesn't exist it'd be a fun project
2018-08-20T00:56:24 < mawk> get data for popular redox couples from the CRC, draw nice curves
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2018-08-20T01:19:08 < Cracki> I think there's a little more involved...
2018-08-20T01:20:59 < cpctr> Isn’t there always
2018-08-20T01:21:06 < cpctr> ;[
2018-08-20T01:23:02 < Cracki> here's something more than "capacity/current = time" https://www.calctown.com/calculators/battery-life-calculator
2018-08-20T01:23:20 < Cracki> and of course no scientific explanation for their math
2018-08-20T01:23:52 < Cracki> moar peukert https://batteryuniversity.com/index.php/learn/article/bu_503_how_to_calculate_battery_runtime
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2018-08-20T01:28:01 < Cracki> as you can see from that ragone plot, different curves (different shape, not just translated) for different cells
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2018-08-20T02:04:35 < mawk> yeah Cracki that was the dreaded alternative issue
2018-08-20T02:04:46 < Cracki> wat
2018-08-20T02:05:01 < mawk> curves adjusted and plotted according to experimental data
2018-08-20T02:05:06 < mawk> which isn't fun to do anymore
2018-08-20T02:05:10 < Cracki> wat
2018-08-20T02:05:20 < Cracki> how is plotting shit not fun?!
2018-08-20T02:05:56 < mawk> lol
2018-08-20T02:06:06 < mawk> experimental laws aren't fun
2018-08-20T02:06:10 < mawk> it's not satisfactory
2018-08-20T02:06:25 < mawk> though many things are experimental laws and still used today
2018-08-20T02:06:32 < Cracki> ah, so do you subscribe to the position that reality should conform to your expectations?
2018-08-20T02:06:49 < mawk> no, why that ?
2018-08-20T02:07:16 < Cracki> ah, so would you say the chemistry of modern cells is easy to model?
2018-08-20T02:07:25 < Cracki> *electrochemistry
2018-08-20T02:08:00 < mawk> experimental doesn't mean easy
2018-08-20T02:08:52 < Cracki> did you imply that a usable plot could be derived from data from the CRC?
2018-08-20T02:09:22 < mawk> not by plotting the crc, no
2018-08-20T02:09:22 < mawk> lol
2018-08-20T02:09:52 < mawk> by using results from chemistry
2018-08-20T02:10:07 < Cracki> what would those be?
2018-08-20T02:11:42 < mawk> my chemistry classes are a bit too far to even begin to search for the answer
2018-08-20T02:12:37 < Cracki> there are aspects involved nobody outside the manufacturer's research labs will ever get details on
2018-08-20T02:13:13 < Cracki> how well materials are mixed, how fine they're powdered, purity, ...
2018-08-20T02:13:27 < mawk> indeed
2018-08-20T02:13:41 < Cracki> you have no chance of even quantifying that for some cell you bought
2018-08-20T02:14:44 < Cracki> so the best you can get if a plot that looks like a plausible discharge curve but if it takes merely an affine transform or something, you're lucky
2018-08-20T02:14:52 < mawk> yes
2018-08-20T02:15:14 < Cracki> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dk_wjHfXsAIpHoi.jpg:orig
2018-08-20T02:26:20 < mawk> the solid friction law is an experimental law
2018-08-20T02:26:43 < mawk> but the worst thing is how schrödinger law was derived
2018-08-20T02:27:01 < mawk> all these things were bugging me
2018-08-20T02:29:51 < qyx> are you into cats much?
2018-08-20T02:30:23 < Cracki> why, are you offering to be a cat?
2018-08-20T02:30:53 < qyx> no pls
2018-08-20T02:31:09 < Cracki> too late. you're getting a collar with a bell now
2018-08-20T02:31:34 < mawk> I let my cat bit me to see what it's like yesterday, now I've got two holes in the hand
2018-08-20T02:31:59 < Cracki> serves you right, uppity can opener!
2018-08-20T02:50:31 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiAVTz5BbZQ passive exoskeleton
2018-08-20T02:50:51 < kakimir> just springs and some mcu controlling them
2018-08-20T02:51:20 < kakimir> apparently engaging springs to system or so
2018-08-20T02:53:12 < kakimir> this is genius
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2018-08-20T03:32:03 < dongs_> https://www.gearbest.com/other-classic-toys/pp_009553361924.html?%3F&lkid=13980454
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2018-08-20T03:33:20 < Cracki> hahaha the luck symbol
2018-08-20T03:34:29 < Cracki> I actually hate these disk magnets. so difficult to get off a whiteboard unless you have a credit card or other strong plastic sheet handy
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2018-08-20T04:12:23 < Ultrasauce> i leave the ones i harvest on their little bracket, much easier to manipulate that way
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2018-08-20T04:22:44 < bitmask> Round shape, small and cute
2018-08-20T04:23:07 < bitmask> I won't buy magnets unless they're cute
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2018-08-20T05:04:29 < dongs> In order to make custom cleared easily, we cover Samsung Logo by one more sticker. Remove the first layer sticker to
2018-08-20T05:04:32 < dongs>          get truth.
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2018-08-20T05:39:07 < Guest65392> https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/08/09/14/4EED888200000578-6039399-Kim_Goodwin_an_author_from_California_shared_a_flow_chart_to_hel-a-15_1533820670794.jpg
2018-08-20T05:43:28 < dongs> Guest65392 = LaurenceB?
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2018-08-20T05:45:25 < Guest65392> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11217-018-9624-5
2018-08-20T05:46:37 < Guest65392> Felting as a posthuman proposition demands that we stop thinking broadly about education. Instead we need to consider intimate transmaterial touching relations that do not intensify settler colonial mastery over human and nonhuman life
2018-08-20T05:48:57 < Guest65392> a more-than-human proposition is an invitation to leap inside the movement of the fold, to become involved in a practice of intense agitation and difference
2018-08-20T05:59:23 < dongs> is this how people get those fake degrees
2018-08-20T06:05:08 < aandrew> hm, perhaps I don't need 22 address bits for this FMC
2018-08-20T06:05:12 < aandrew> it's all 32 bits after all
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2018-08-20T09:54:51 < lomas> Hello there... encountering undefined reference error to function calls even the headers are included. Trying to port freemodbus for STM32.
2018-08-20T09:55:12 < zyp> ok
2018-08-20T09:58:03 < lomas> so what may be the reason then ? I have configured necessary directory in gcc compiler setting... I suspect missing of arguments for linker/compiler but not sure about it.
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2018-08-20T10:01:26 < lomas> I see... you mean linker can't find the definition to the function... or the file where the functions are defined are not being compiled. 
2018-08-20T10:01:42 < lomas> here is the screenshot https://imgur.com/mmlaU7W
2018-08-20T10:03:34 < lomas> I was wondering for its solution... I tried all the way with the tools and options available in the ide itself.
2018-08-20T10:05:46 < emeryth> lomas: do you know which file contains the missing functions?
2018-08-20T10:06:48 < lomas> emeryth, yes I know it
2018-08-20T10:10:12 < emeryth> lomas: how did you create the project?
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2018-08-20T10:12:09 < lomas> emeryth, Could not find its definition in files... I was wrong.
2018-08-20T10:12:55 < Steffanx> You have to implement those callbacks
2018-08-20T10:13:54 < lomas> I see..
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2018-08-20T10:15:28 < lomas> So I think I still need to go into details regarding it. Thank you :) 
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2018-08-20T10:29:21 < DisruptiveNL> Hi all. Someone used a self-test procedure on a MEMS-sensor?
2018-08-20T10:33:48 < lomas> Haohmaru, haha... yes the real sh*t :D 
2018-08-20T10:36:14 < Steffanx> Im pretty sure the callbacks are in some example you downloade
2018-08-20T10:36:15 < Steffanx> D
2018-08-20T10:39:47 < lomas> Steffanx, you mean inside Demo directory.. right ? 
2018-08-20T10:40:29 < Steffanx> I think so. Never used the lib you use
2018-08-20T10:41:05 < Steffanx> For some reason a colleague decided to use a commercial lib. 
2018-08-20T10:41:22 < Steffanx> But if might be from the same author so it looks very similar
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2018-08-20T10:43:40 < lomas> I see...
2018-08-20T10:44:23 < lomas> Well I got some example on github I will go through it and give it a try.. Could not find an example on the downloaded package.
2018-08-20T10:44:24 < Steffanx> It*
2018-08-20T10:48:54 < dongs> DisruptiveNL: .. sure, i mean, i think i backported the huge selftest/calibration thing from MPU6050 library once to normal code
2018-08-20T10:49:49 < DisruptiveNL> Oke... page 115 from the datahseet for the LSM6DSL does state the procedure, but it keeps failing
2018-08-20T10:50:07 < dongs> does the sensor work otherwise?
2018-08-20T10:50:12 < dongs> i mean to initialize/read/etc
2018-08-20T10:51:35 < DisruptiveNL> Yes it works (temperature)
2018-08-20T10:51:40 < DisruptiveNL> All works
2018-08-20T10:51:52 < DisruptiveNL> But it states: Store data in OUTX_NOST
2018-08-20T10:52:08 < DisruptiveNL> but this is not a register stated in the Datasheet... is this my own variable?
2018-08-20T10:52:49 < DisruptiveNL> First you read in normal mode and then in activated ¨self-test¨mode ... NOST and ST
2018-08-20T10:54:07 < DisruptiveNL> I now put it in a low_x and hi_x variable (reading registers 0x28 and 0x29)
2018-08-20T10:54:13 < DisruptiveNL> 1 byte
2018-08-20T10:57:11 < dongs> man im so lazy, you gonna make me downlaod LIS6DSL datasheet>??
2018-08-20T11:00:16 < dongs> there is no page 115
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2018-08-20T11:12:51 < DisruptiveNL> https://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/group0/26/07/3f/bf/12/55/47/62/DM00402563/files/DM00402563.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00402563.pdf
2018-08-20T11:13:00 < DisruptiveNL> pfft what a link..
2018-08-20T11:13:25 < dongs> yeah same drawing is in another datasheet i lookedf at
2018-08-20T11:14:00 < dongs> and yes, OUTX_NOST / OUTX_ST are obviously your local variables
2018-08-20T11:14:09 < dongs> because of the step above pass/fail drawing
2018-08-20T11:14:18 < dongs> min(ST_X) <= OUTX_ST-OUTX_NOST etc
2018-08-20T11:14:29 < dongs> so basically just temp variables, ytou're saving offsets/ whatever of values before and after selftest
2018-08-20T11:14:32 < dongs> and comparing them
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2018-08-20T12:55:58 < DisruptiveNL> ah oke
2018-08-20T12:56:09 < DisruptiveNL> and the two complement is per byte?
2018-08-20T12:56:24 < DisruptiveNL> because the values are stored in 2 bytes (16 bit)
2018-08-20T12:56:27 < dongs> what's the context here? raw to uint conversion?
2018-08-20T12:56:35 < DisruptiveNL> where MSB = sign and LSB=value?
2018-08-20T12:56:56 < dongs> i forget, but just raw[0] << 8 | raw[1] type shit works.
2018-08-20T12:57:02 < dongs> or [1] << 8 | [0] or whatever
2018-08-20T12:58:03 < DisruptiveNL> (hix_st << 8) & lox_st
2018-08-20T12:58:18 < dongs> yeah. if the'yre uint8 then shuld be fine
2018-08-20T12:58:30 < DisruptiveNL> its uint8_t
2018-08-20T12:59:06 < DisruptiveNL> the value is 16 bit data expressed in two complement
2018-08-20T12:59:34 < DisruptiveNL> this last I am struggling with
2018-08-20T12:59:46 < DisruptiveNL> two complement is inversed (NOT_ + 1
2018-08-20T13:00:02 < DisruptiveNL> so 100 two complement is -100
2018-08-20T13:00:26 < DisruptiveNL> but now I have part MSB and part LSB
2018-08-20T13:00:37 < DisruptiveNL> (MSB << 8) & LSB
2018-08-20T13:01:21 < dongs> i donno, just look at resulting the numbers and you'll see if it looks dumb or not
2018-08-20T13:01:24 < dongs> -the
2018-08-20T13:01:28 < DisruptiveNL> hahaha
2018-08-20T13:01:30 < DisruptiveNL> oke
2018-08-20T13:02:11 < DisruptiveNL> And the proces is saying something weird (in my opinion)
2018-08-20T13:02:34 < DisruptiveNL> ¨Read the output registers after checking XLDA bit 5 times...
2018-08-20T13:02:35 < DisruptiveNL> ¨
2018-08-20T13:03:14 < DisruptiveNL> Well I think they mean read the XLDA register AND read the OUTX_XL_L etc registers 5 times and store them in memory
2018-08-20T13:03:39 < dongs> https://os.mbed.com/teams/ST/code/LSM6DSL/docs/tip/LSM6DSLSensor_8cpp_source.html#l00421
2018-08-20T13:03:43 < dongs> i mean
2018-08-20T13:03:57 < DisruptiveNL> because reading XLDA 5 times and reading it once does not get avarage
2018-08-20T13:04:56 < DisruptiveNL> pData[0] = ( ( ( ( int16_t )regValue[1] ) << 8 ) + ( int16_t )regValue[0] );
2018-08-20T13:05:05 < DisruptiveNL> ahh uint16_t ...
2018-08-20T13:05:10 < DisruptiveNL> and +...
2018-08-20T13:07:49 < dongs> they make it signed right away i guess, anyway, cast to int16 and shift.
2018-08-20T13:07:56 < dongs> sounds reasonable.
2018-08-20T13:08:19 < DisruptiveNL> yes
2018-08-20T13:08:21 < DisruptiveNL> it does!
2018-08-20T13:08:41 < DisruptiveNL> But the XLDA reading (5 times) and I have to ¨store¨ the values myself iI recon?
2018-08-20T13:10:36 < zyp> you should probably give Laurenceb some of those spaces
2018-08-20T13:10:42 < zyp> he needs them more than you
2018-08-20T13:15:12 < karlp> 7/me laughs
2018-08-20T13:19:19 < karlp> lomas needs to look in their download properly.
2018-08-20T13:19:38 < karlp> and read the documentaiton of the library they're trying to use.
2018-08-20T13:21:25 < karlp> dongs: I take it there was a swastika on that magnet sales page int he past?
2018-08-20T13:27:33 < dongs> yeah?
2018-08-20T13:27:35 < dongs> what does its how now
2018-08-20T13:27:54 < dongs> how=show
2018-08-20T13:32:08 < karlp> do you need me to repaste your url?
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2018-08-20T14:01:58 < DisruptiveNL> how do i interpret |Min(ST_X)| <= |OUTX_ST-OUTX_NOST|<=|Max(ST_X)|
2018-08-20T14:03:19 < mawk> that the spread between outx_st and outx_nost is between these two numbers
2018-08-20T14:03:40 < mawk> indeed
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2018-08-20T14:03:59 < DisruptiveNL> ah oke!
2018-08-20T14:04:17 < DisruptiveNL> absolute...
2018-08-20T14:04:25 < mawk> yes, usually
2018-08-20T14:04:36 < DisruptiveNL> I think you are right... I am sure of it!
2018-08-20T14:05:26 < mawk> when talking about complex numbers |·| is the complex norm, and in more general terms |·| is an absolute value
2018-08-20T14:08:49 < mawk> DisruptiveNL: if you think about it just a sec |y-x| is the distance between x and y
2018-08-20T14:09:01 < mawk> you place x and y on the number line, you measure the distance between them using your ruler
2018-08-20T14:09:20 < mawk> that distance is |y-x| = |x-y|
2018-08-20T14:09:51 < DisruptiveNL> oke
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2018-08-20T14:27:44 < DisruptiveNL> Min(ST_Y) is the minimal value with selftest in cycle 5 times
2018-08-20T14:28:23 < DisruptiveNL> abs(OUTY_ST - OUT_Y_NOST) is the absolute value of the average measurements from selftest minus no selftest
2018-08-20T14:29:12 < DisruptiveNL> Why is minimal not also ST_Y - NOST-Y ???
2018-08-20T14:32:41 < mawk> what do you mean ?
2018-08-20T14:43:04 < DisruptiveNL> Well in the process of selftest I seems that the ST (Selftest values) are compared to selftest - no-selftest values
2018-08-20T14:45:18 < DisruptiveNL> it seems
2018-08-20T14:46:01 < mawk> so outx_st is the same as st_x ?
2018-08-20T14:46:05 < mawk> that's doubtful
2018-08-20T14:46:21 < mawk> it's just the arithmetic average you said ?
2018-08-20T14:48:49 < DisruptiveNL> that is a assumption I have also
2018-08-20T14:52:56 < mawk> what is an always true assumption (assuming that st_x is the arithmetic mean) is |min(st_x)| <= |outx_st| <= |max(st_x)|
2018-08-20T14:53:22 < mawk> uh no it's not always true
2018-08-20T14:53:36 < mawk> only if the samples are positive
2018-08-20T14:54:50 < mawk> no it's fine actually, can even remove the absolute values
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2018-08-20T14:56:36 < DisruptiveNL> The selftest generates positve and negative values I think... thats why the absolute
2018-08-20T14:57:19 < DisruptiveNL> only the selftest is testing the sensor with ¨own stimulus¨ and the non selftest is the value you have the sensor in (environment) as is
2018-08-20T14:57:32 < mawk> yes
2018-08-20T14:57:34 < DisruptiveNL> say the selftest is generating min 1000 and 5000 max
2018-08-20T14:57:48 < DisruptiveNL> and the non selftest 50 and 150
2018-08-20T14:57:54 < DisruptiveNL> (absolute)
2018-08-20T14:57:59 < mawk> if minimum is 1000 how can it be negative
2018-08-20T14:58:00 < mawk> ah
2018-08-20T14:58:12 < mawk> and how many tests ? 5 you said ?
2018-08-20T14:59:44 < DisruptiveNL> so then ST_X (1000) <= OUTX_ST (say: 2500) - OUTX_NOST (say: 85) = 2415 <= Max ST_X (5000)
2018-08-20T14:59:56 < DisruptiveNL> PASSED
2018-08-20T15:00:20 < DisruptiveNL> yes 5
2018-08-20T15:00:39 < mawk> and what are we testing for with this inequality ?
2018-08-20T15:00:48 < mawk> it seems a bit too broad, why not test bounds for each sample
2018-08-20T15:00:54 < DisruptiveNL> If the sensor passes the selftest
2018-08-20T15:01:19 < DisruptiveNL> oke that is what they mean... each test?
2018-08-20T15:01:40 < mawk> maybe
2018-08-20T15:01:42 < DisruptiveNL> But why avarage then??
2018-08-20T15:01:59 < DisruptiveNL> ¨Average the stored data on each axis¨
2018-08-20T15:02:17 < mawk> sensor gives you one value ?
2018-08-20T15:02:20 < mawk> at each test
2018-08-20T15:02:27 < DisruptiveNL> for X, Y and Z
2018-08-20T15:02:29 < DisruptiveNL> yes
2018-08-20T15:02:50 < DisruptiveNL> so 5000, 5001, 5203, 4980, -4980
2018-08-20T15:03:19 < mawk> so at each test you get three values, one for each axis
2018-08-20T15:03:24 < DisruptiveNL> yes
2018-08-20T15:03:57 < DisruptiveNL> for ST (selftest) and before enabling the selftest NOST (no selftest)
2018-08-20T15:05:41 < mawk> so your testing the inequality three times, once for each axis
2018-08-20T15:05:56 < DisruptiveNL> yes
2018-08-20T15:06:03 < DisruptiveNL> that I get
2018-08-20T15:07:07 < DisruptiveNL> but the formula |Min(ST_X)|<=|OUTX_ST-OUTX_NOST|<=|Max(ST_X)|AND (for Y) AND (for Z)
2018-08-20T15:07:33 < DisruptiveNL> NOST is there but not in minimum or maximum equation
2018-08-20T15:07:49 < DisruptiveNL> and are these the average values¿?
2018-08-20T15:08:03 < DisruptiveNL> but why Min, Max then
2018-08-20T15:08:42 < mawk> I'd say min(ST_X) in the minimum of the absolute values of each of the 5 samples
2018-08-20T15:08:56 < mawk> but it could also be your 1000 value, if they use funny notations in that datasheet
2018-08-20T15:09:19 < mawk> either way I don't understand why they use an inequality that is that broad
2018-08-20T15:09:56 < mawk> better bounds would at least be 1000-150 and 5000-50
2018-08-20T15:10:06 < mawk> not just 1000 and 5000
2018-08-20T15:11:24 < mawk> i.e. st_min - nost_max and st_max - nost_min
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2018-08-20T15:15:47 < DisruptiveNL> wait i will post the ¨reaL¨ values from the sensor
2018-08-20T15:15:58 < mawk> what would make the most sense is using the 1000, 5000, etc. values
2018-08-20T15:16:07 < mawk> the other inequality is just stupid
2018-08-20T15:16:14 < mawk> but still it's not a very useful test
2018-08-20T15:16:20 < DisruptiveNL> https://pastebin.com/5jEaR2AZ
2018-08-20T15:16:26 < mawk> unless the manufacturer knows that values *need* to be averaged to give anything useful
2018-08-20T15:17:05 < mawk> but I'd just compare selftest and noselftest separately
2018-08-20T15:17:07 < DisruptiveNL> low (hex), high (hex) -> ((((int16_t) hix ) << 8 ) + (int16_t) lox )
2018-08-20T15:17:14 < mawk> so still it doesn't make a whole lot of sense
2018-08-20T15:17:32 < DisruptiveNL> Thats what I thought but thats not in the ST documentation
2018-08-20T15:17:43 < DisruptiveNL> They but ST and NOST in one equation
2018-08-20T15:18:01 < mawk> value: 33, value: 06, OUTX_NOST: 1633
2018-08-20T15:18:09 < mawk> that doesn't look like an average
2018-08-20T15:18:34 < mawk> AVR_OUTX looks like an average, but not the OUTx_(NO)?ST
2018-08-20T15:21:18 < dongs> LUNIX DONGS
2018-08-20T15:21:23 < dongs> y oure still fucking at it
2018-08-20T15:21:27 < dongs> its been hours
2018-08-20T15:21:37 < dongs> you probably burned your shitty sensor by soldering it wrongt
2018-08-20T15:21:38 < DisruptiveNL> no no... 
2018-08-20T15:21:58 < zyp> haha
2018-08-20T15:22:13 < zyp> weren't this a topic like a week ago too?
2018-08-20T15:22:16 < DisruptiveNL> 33, 06 and (0x06 << 8) + 0x33;
2018-08-20T15:22:38 < DisruptiveNL> uint_16
2018-08-20T15:22:47 < mawk> I see 1633 not 0633
2018-08-20T15:23:00 < DisruptiveNL> avarage is decimal value
2018-08-20T15:23:52 < DisruptiveNL> OUTX_ST: %02x\n", OUTX_ST
2018-08-20T15:24:07 < DisruptiveNL> where OUTX_ST =  (0x06 << 8) + 0x33
2018-08-20T15:24:23 < DisruptiveNL> and %02x gives 1633
2018-08-20T15:26:58 < dongs> youve clearly fucked osmeting up
2018-08-20T15:27:09 < dongs> cuz 6<<8|0x33 = 0x633
2018-08-20T15:27:10 < DisruptiveNL> it must be
2018-08-20T15:27:15 < DisruptiveNL> i know
2018-08-20T15:27:19 < dongs> also: %02x
2018-08-20T15:27:23 < DisruptiveNL> %02x
2018-08-20T15:27:24 < dongs> shouldnt it be %04x
2018-08-20T15:27:26 < dongs> (not that it matter
2018-08-20T15:27:26 < DisruptiveNL> yes
2018-08-20T15:27:43 < mawk> hex is the same "value" as decimal
2018-08-20T15:27:52 < zyp> dongs, doesn't matter, the 2 just reserves two characters by default
2018-08-20T15:28:30 < dongs> zyp, that swhy i said (not that it matter
2018-08-20T15:29:08 < mawk> "value" doesn't depend on representation
2018-08-20T15:29:12 < mawk> converse isn't true
2018-08-20T15:29:19 < mawk> 0.9999... = 1
2018-08-20T15:30:18 < DisruptiveNL> uint16_t ... seems correct.
2018-08-20T15:30:30 < DisruptiveNL> 0633 I have also... why 1633
2018-08-20T15:30:38 < mawk> for storing average of possibly positive values ?
2018-08-20T15:30:53 < mawk> doesn't seem extremely correct to me
2018-08-20T15:31:04 < mawk> but neither values are negative anyway
2018-08-20T15:31:09 < mawk> so it isn't the culprit here
2018-08-20T15:31:15 < DisruptiveNL> nope
2018-08-20T15:31:25 < mawk> possibly negative*
2018-08-20T15:32:29 < mawk> are you 100% sure of your printf DisruptiveNL ?
2018-08-20T15:33:56 < dongs> is there anything to do in australia
2018-08-20T15:34:10 < karlp> wait for NBN?
2018-08-20T15:34:22 < karlp> plenty if you're talking about visiting....
2018-08-20T15:34:25 < dongs> Nigger Broadcasting Network?
2018-08-20T15:34:35 < karlp> but it's kinda large.
2018-08-20T15:34:43 < karlp> that's kinda like, "anything to do in europe/usa"
2018-08-20T15:36:47 < Steffanx> dongs you can always visit stvn :P
2018-08-20T15:37:01 < Steffanx> i know he'd like that
2018-08-20T15:37:15 < Hamilton> hello Steffanx 
2018-08-20T15:44:45 < dongs> doesnt svtn live in some shithole
2018-08-20T15:44:59 < dongs> my paypal airline only flies to brisbane
2018-08-20T15:48:39 < Steffanx> oh too bad. Only 1500km more south.
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2018-08-20T16:07:21 < englishman> you can visit the reef, while there's still some left
2018-08-20T16:09:09 < dongs> great dongular reef?
2018-08-20T16:09:46 < catphish> hello sirs
2018-08-20T16:09:46 < Steffanx> Yeah something nice to tell your grandgrand childeren about when you are granddong
2018-08-20T16:10:06 < Steffanx> Welcome mate.
2018-08-20T16:13:00 < catphish> anyone ever considered / tried / succeeded in using a 60kHz broadcast to keep a RTC correct?
2018-08-20T16:14:41 < dongs> you mean the thing that clocks use?
2018-08-20T16:15:39 < zyp> IIRC somebody in the channel were talking about that some years ago
2018-08-20T16:15:55 < Steffanx> I think most EUers are more into DCF77
2018-08-20T16:15:55 < catphish> dongs: yeah
2018-08-20T16:16:36 < catphish> there's DCF77, MSF in my country, and USA have one too on 60kHz
2018-08-20T16:16:45 < Laurenceb__> catphish: yeah I've used some modules
2018-08-20T16:16:48 < Laurenceb__> with 1pps output
2018-08-20T16:16:48 < dongs> http://www.piclist.com/images/www/hobby_elec/e_pic6_d3.htm
2018-08-20T16:16:56 < catphish> the approach would be the same for all of them i geuss
2018-08-20T16:17:19 < dongs> fucking pic fags
2018-08-20T16:18:04 < dongs> http://aitendo3.sakura.ne.jp/aitendo_data/product_img/test/D606C/CME6005-A8-1.pdf
2018-08-20T16:18:10 < dongs> apparently some ancient single chip thing existed for it
2018-08-20T16:18:15 < zyp> catphish, question is whether it's worth it vs a GPS-based solution
2018-08-20T16:18:29 < catphish> U4226B looks like it might be what i want
2018-08-20T16:18:55 < dongs> http://iizukakuromaguro.sakura.ne.jp/412_denpatokei/412_denpatokei.html wow so many jap links about that shit
2018-08-20T16:18:59 < dongs> fuckin autists
2018-08-20T16:19:05 < Laurenceb__> zyp: gps doesnt work will indoors
2018-08-20T16:19:12 < catphish> zyp: i looked at GPS too, i'm quite torn between the 2 options, i suspect if i can receive the 60/77khz signal, the resulting solution will be much cheaper / lower power
2018-08-20T16:19:18 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2018-08-20T16:19:24 < Laurenceb__> that + indoor
2018-08-20T16:19:25 < catphish> indoors isn't a huge concern, but would prefer if it could work
2018-08-20T16:19:26 < zyp> Laurenceb__, he's gonna run it outdoors anyway
2018-08-20T16:19:30 < Laurenceb__> ah
2018-08-20T16:19:57 < catphish> it's intended to be used outdoors, but likely sheltered, like under bridges
2018-08-20T16:20:01 < catphish> i wouldn't 100% trust GPS
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2018-08-20T16:20:09 < Laurenceb__> I was going to make a DCF77 frequency synthesiser
2018-08-20T16:20:14 < Laurenceb__> but then I got high
2018-08-20T16:20:19 < zyp> catphish, do you need wireless synchronization though?
2018-08-20T16:21:00 < zyp> if they're not gonna stay out for long, you could just make a mechanism that syncs them automatically over usb or something
2018-08-20T16:21:04 < catphish> zyp: ultimately it is my hope that these devices can be left unattended for months (years?) until their battery (CR123/CR2) expires
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2018-08-20T16:21:27 < Laurenceb__> thats not going to work well with gps
2018-08-20T16:21:28 < zyp> oh, okay, I thought you were targetting days
2018-08-20T16:21:39 < catphish> the device i'm looking to compete with has wireless time sync, meaning you carry around a master device with the correct time and it syncs that way
2018-08-20T16:21:44 < zyp> Laurenceb__, sure it would, just keep it off for the most of the time
2018-08-20T16:21:52 < catphish> but i thought i might be able to do better, and allow unattended use
2018-08-20T16:22:00 < zyp> turn it on once a day to correct the RTC
2018-08-20T16:22:16 < catphish> that's the idea
2018-08-20T16:22:30 < Laurenceb__> it would still be quite power hungry
2018-08-20T16:22:48 < catphish> gps would work if you just turned it on briefly once a day, but power is a worry
2018-08-20T16:23:08 < dongs> place your timebombs nearby AC lines and thieve joules
2018-08-20T16:23:12 < Laurenceb__> I'd also try to trim the rtc
2018-08-20T16:23:25 < Laurenceb__> or... steal the time from AC power line noise
2018-08-20T16:23:37 < zyp> Laurenceb__, there's 1440 minutes in a day, if you take a minute to get a time fix and tune the RTC, you're still below 0.1% duty
2018-08-20T16:23:42 < Laurenceb__> in uk there is a timestamp encoded on the lines aiui
2018-08-20T16:23:51 < dongs> the 60hz radio shit looks to be 1 bit per second
2018-08-20T16:23:56 < dongs> transmission
2018-08-20T16:24:08 < dongs> http://iizukakuromaguro.sakura.ne.jp/412_denpatokei/denpatokei.wmv
2018-08-20T16:24:11 < dongs> according to this jappu video
2018-08-20T16:24:21 < catphish> dongs: that's correct :(
2018-08-20T16:24:31 < Laurenceb__> build ur own decoder :P
2018-08-20T16:24:35 < zyp> IIRC you don't need to wait to get a complete position fix to just get time from GPS
2018-08-20T16:24:49 < Laurenceb__> should be 1ma or so with opamp + stm32 dma adc
2018-08-20T16:24:50 < dongs> correct
2018-08-20T16:25:35 < catphish> 1mA for a couple of minutes is probably pretty expensive
2018-08-20T16:26:01 < Laurenceb__> http://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/ENA0205-D.PDF
2018-08-20T16:26:26 < catphish> i've been really struggling to find these ICs, you guys make it look easy :(
2018-08-20T16:26:46 < catphish> wonder if that one will work on the UK
2018-08-20T16:26:49 < Laurenceb__> 37µA
2018-08-20T16:26:55 < catphish> that's more like it :)
2018-08-20T16:27:00 < zyp> catphish, 1mA for a minute per day is comparable to a constantly running RTC on average power consumption
2018-08-20T16:27:09 < Laurenceb__> dunno how long it takes to output 1pps
2018-08-20T16:27:23 < catphish> zyp: sure, but running both is twice as much :)
2018-08-20T16:27:27 < Laurenceb__> I have one on my desk but power supply is packed away and I'm lazy
2018-08-20T16:27:41 < zyp> catphish, how much does the rfid field detection draw? :p
2018-08-20T16:27:48 < Laurenceb__> I'd guess a few seconds for the loops to lock
2018-08-20T16:28:03 < catphish> zyp: i'm may be prematurely optimizing here, but aiming to go as low as is reasonably practical
2018-08-20T16:29:20 < catphish> zyp: rfid is of course the biggest cost of all, i'll be using every trick in the ST95HF book to minimize how much power goes into the antenna
2018-08-20T16:29:39 < dongs> oh this is that board with NFC reader?
2018-08-20T16:29:44 < catphish> yes
2018-08-20T16:29:53 < zyp> for months on battery, you'd probably want to add a manual wakeup button
2018-08-20T16:29:54 < catphish> the actual answer is that it has a card detection mode that pulses a tiny pulse into the coil and measures how fast it dissipates
2018-08-20T16:29:57 < dongs> whoaaaaaaaa
2018-08-20T16:30:00 < dongs> digieky web 3.0'd
2018-08-20T16:30:18 < catphish> you can pulse once per second for pretty minimal power use
2018-08-20T16:30:38 < zyp> Laurenceb__, cute chip, but distributors all saying nonstock and obsolete isn't very promising
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2018-08-20T16:30:59 < dongs> but you can buy it as a bare die
2018-08-20T16:31:03 < dongs> and wirebond it yourself
2018-08-20T16:31:06 < zyp> haha
2018-08-20T16:31:10 < dongs> no rly
2018-08-20T16:31:16 < catphish> i'm also lookinto the option of a manual wakeup, either a switch in the reader pad, or a magnetic reed switch
2018-08-20T16:31:28 < dongs> i guess its main use was in majorly massproduced swhit wheer you haev  chip on board thing with epoxy blob
2018-08-20T16:31:33 < zyp> dongs, I mean sure, I guess doing that in china costs basically nothing anyway
2018-08-20T16:31:37 < dongs> right
2018-08-20T16:32:53 < catphish> it seems like this 60khz might be viable with one of these receiver ICs
2018-08-20T16:32:58 < catphish> the antenna is an annoyance
2018-08-20T16:33:52 < dongs> isnt it just some stuff coiled up on ferrite
2018-08-20T16:33:59 < dongs> like oldskool am radio style
2018-08-20T16:34:01 < zyp> usually yes
2018-08-20T16:34:28 < catphish> "Note that the LA1654C is a bare chip product that is not packaged." i just saw that
2018-08-20T16:34:32  * catphish backs away scared
2018-08-20T16:34:32 < Laurenceb__> u need the right number of turns and right wire
2018-08-20T16:34:48 < catphish> yes, a coil on a ferrite rod
2018-08-20T16:34:50 < Laurenceb__> catphish: there are others, I just have some COB modules with that on my desk
2018-08-20T16:35:01 < dongs> does china make modules?
2018-08-20T16:35:02 < Laurenceb__> litz wire
2018-08-20T16:35:06 < Laurenceb__> probably
2018-08-20T16:35:14 < zyp> catphish, oh btw, I sent you the boards this morning
2018-08-20T16:35:18 < catphish> maybe http://pdf.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheet/Temic/mXyzuryv.pdf
2018-08-20T16:35:23 < catphish> zyp: awesome, thanks
2018-08-20T16:35:50 < catphish> zyp: at least i can play with the actual RFID and power management while i worry about this RTC
2018-08-20T16:35:51 < dongs> temic is deader than *BSD
2018-08-20T16:36:10 < dongs> lmao bought by atmel in 1998
2018-08-20T16:36:51 < catphish> "Rev. A3, 16-Jan-98" oh dear
2018-08-20T16:36:57 < zyp> yeah, I would start by testing the timestamp writing first, to make sure that works reliably
2018-08-20T16:37:17 < catphish> zyp: indeed, i was kinda assuming that was one part that couldn't really go wrong
2018-08-20T16:37:17 < Laurenceb__> http://cdn-reichelt.de/documents/datenblatt/X200/DCF77.pdf
2018-08-20T16:37:34 < dongs> Änderungsverzeichnis
2018-08-20T16:37:36 < dongs> fuck outa here
2018-08-20T16:37:55 < catphish> i've seen modules like that, they seem to use an epoxy'd IC blob
2018-08-20T16:38:06 < zyp> well, you'll want to check that you don't corrupt the card contents if the card is removed from the reader too early
2018-08-20T16:38:14 < catphish> can i just build my own AM receiver?
2018-08-20T16:38:34 < dongs> catphish: the 'blob' is that LA1654 thing
2018-08-20T16:38:38 < catphish> zyp: ah yes, that makes sense, pretty critical to the whole thing
2018-08-20T16:39:06 < catphish> dongs: i thought that might be the case, i doubt i can realistically build that
2018-08-20T16:39:31 < Sadale> magic!
2018-08-20T16:39:33 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/en/articles/techzone/2015/mar/low-cost-low-power-small-size-disposable-radios-part-1-transmitters
2018-08-20T16:39:41 < dongs> oh, transmitters
2018-08-20T16:39:48 < Sadale> Yesterday my LCD wasn't working. I had no idea on what caused it.
2018-08-20T16:39:55 < Laurenceb__> https://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/ce/en/product/641138/DCF-receiver-module----641138--------Compatible-with-C-Control
2018-08-20T16:39:58 < Laurenceb__> dat connector
2018-08-20T16:40:06 < Sadale> I detached the LCD and sleep.
2018-08-20T16:40:21 < catphish> dongs: i thought i could build what is essential a "crystal radio", though it needs tuning so that may not be ideal
2018-08-20T16:40:28 < Sadale> Today after my day job is ended I got back to home. Attached the LCD and - it works.
2018-08-20T16:40:36 < dongs> congratulations
2018-08-20T16:40:38 < Sadale> magic!!
2018-08-20T16:40:41 < Sadale> Thanks :3
2018-08-20T16:40:51 < zyp> I mean, the basic logic is pretty simple; you've got 4-byte sectors, you want to find the first free one and write your id/timestamp into it
2018-08-20T16:40:54 < Laurenceb__> le crystal skull meme
2018-08-20T16:41:07 < catphish> zyp: correct :)
2018-08-20T16:41:46 < zyp> hopefully the card logic should make each sector write atomic, so you don't have to worry about half-written sectors
2018-08-20T16:42:02 < catphish> as long as it stores enough power to complete the write, there should be no problem
2018-08-20T16:42:02 < zyp> but if you can get half-written sectors, you need to handle that
2018-08-20T16:42:22 < zyp> and then you need to have some sensible logic if the same tag is detected several times in a row
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2018-08-20T16:43:00 < zyp> you probably don't want to write three timestamps just because the user couldn't hold the card properly
2018-08-20T16:43:02 < catphish> actually i think the same solution might solve both problems 1) write the station ID first, 2) if the previous station ID matches the current one, overwrite it
2018-08-20T16:44:17 < zyp> I'd keep to doing only one write
2018-08-20T16:44:33 < catphish> well gotta find a way to find a free sector, so some reading is essential
2018-08-20T16:44:49 < zyp> but to find the first free sector, you'd have to also find the last used, so you can look at the ID
2018-08-20T16:44:58 < catphish> precisely :)
2018-08-20T16:45:15 < zyp> I wouldn't overwrite it, just skip writing it again if timestamp is within a few seconds or something
2018-08-20T16:45:34 < zyp> if timestamp difference is several minutes, maybe append another to record two visits
2018-08-20T16:45:35 < catphish> actually, even better, it could verify it
2018-08-20T16:45:46 < catphish> if its close and valid, it can leave it alone
2018-08-20T16:45:55 < catphish> if some time has passed, write a new sector
2018-08-20T16:46:02 < catphish> if it's corrupt, replace it
2018-08-20T16:46:23 < catphish> (or something like that)
2018-08-20T16:47:07 < catphish> there it may be worth always doing a verify after a write, but i won't know for sure until i read the protocol docs
2018-08-20T16:47:59 < catphish> wonder how this works then, it looks beautifully simple: https://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/ce/en/product/641138/DCF-receiver-module----641138--------Compatible-with-C-Control
2018-08-20T16:48:03 < zyp> I think there's enough checksums in the protocol that once you get a status=ok on the write command, you can assume it succeded and beep to tell the user it's done
2018-08-20T16:48:34 < catphish> tuned antenna, diode, basically a crystal radio, though it looks to have a crystal on it too, not sure what that does
2018-08-20T16:48:45 < catphish> zyp: well that would be perfect
2018-08-20T16:49:12 < catphish> in that case i'll just need to implement the simple logic to not write a new sector if there's a second scan
2018-08-20T16:49:24 < zyp> the problem with the user removing the tag too early is something you can't prevent, once it happens whatever went on the card is on the card and you can't talk to it anymore until next time it's tapped somewhere
2018-08-20T16:49:50 < zyp> in practice most likely at the same station, since user didn't get a beep
2018-08-20T16:53:10 < catphish> yeah, if they remove too soon, i won't get the write confirm, they will try again
2018-08-20T16:53:29 < catphish> the beep is very effective
2018-08-20T16:53:59 < veverak> getting little out of ideas... I have i2c slave stm32, and it fails to acknowledge one byte during the initialization... (so no i2c com. before). The master is able to run 'MemRead', than 'MemWrite', than another MemWrite is executed, during that the slave ACKnowledges setup byte (addres + write direction), first data byte from master is sent and it's not aknowledged by the slave :/
2018-08-20T16:54:20 < veverak> funny thing is that next thing after that, slave reports I2C Error - unexpected stop condition
2018-08-20T16:54:21 < dongs> i2c is hard
2018-08-20T16:54:31 < dongs> especailly slave, is retarded
2018-08-20T16:54:38 < dongs> if you got mhz, implement it in software ^_^
2018-08-20T16:54:42 < veverak> P.S: this worked before project was switched from MSBuild to CMake
2018-08-20T16:54:43 < veverak> :/
2018-08-20T16:54:53 < catphish> Laurenceb__: you have any idea how this thing you linked works? https://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/ce/en/product/641138/DCF-receiver-module----641138--------Compatible-with-C-Control
2018-08-20T16:55:14 < dongs> catphish: i thnk there's a chip epoxy blob on teh back
2018-08-20T16:55:25 < Laurenceb__> catphish: I suspect it has power, gnd, signal and pwndown lines
2018-08-20T16:55:51 < veverak> dongs: I may have enough Mhz. on the master side
2018-08-20T16:55:53 < Laurenceb__> looks like startup time is ~10s for the 1pps
2018-08-20T16:55:57 < veverak> dongs: but definetly not on the slave
2018-08-20T16:56:46 < veverak> dongs: it moves part of the data from i2c bus where it is slave, to i2c bus where it is master, controls rgb leds connected to SPI and communicates over uart 
2018-08-20T16:56:48 < Laurenceb__> should be possible to set up an alarm interrupt on rtc then start up the 1pps and measure the offset
2018-08-20T16:56:48 < dongs> i was joking.
2018-08-20T16:56:52 < veverak> :)
2018-08-20T16:56:54 < dongs> zyp wrote me some i2c slave code
2018-08-20T16:57:00 < dongs> i had to run F103 at 128mhz
2018-08-20T16:57:05 < Laurenceb__> you can trim rtc by +-n ppm
2018-08-20T16:57:08 < dongs> to receive it properly and have some free cpu time to do other shit
2018-08-20T16:57:17 < catphish> dongs: ah maybe :(
2018-08-20T16:57:17 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-08-20T16:57:25 < Sadale> strange. The LCD stopped working again :/
2018-08-20T16:58:20 < catphish> dongs: that LA1654C uses a crystal, so seems plausible
2018-08-20T16:58:22 < Laurenceb__>  > so run a pll type system, tweaking the rtc offset register to align with the 1pps
2018-08-20T16:58:33 < zyp> veverak, does your master handle clock stretching?
2018-08-20T16:58:47 < Laurenceb__> but you dont need 1pps running all the time
2018-08-20T16:58:54 < zyp> i2c slave is super easy if your master supports clock stretching, then you've got all the time in the world
2018-08-20T16:59:07 < Laurenceb__> current consumption for the whole system could be <1µA mean
2018-08-20T16:59:14 < veverak> zyp: it does
2018-08-20T16:59:22 < veverak> zyp: it is also stm32 with hal
2018-08-20T16:59:31 < dongs> i2c.cx
2018-08-20T16:59:37 < veverak> master is L4, slave is F03
2018-08-20T16:59:44 < dongs> stretchin' that clock
2018-08-20T16:59:47 < srk> stm32 with hell
2018-08-20T17:00:04 < catphish> Laurenceb__: yeah i will definitely trim my rtc once i know the persistent error :)
2018-08-20T17:00:05 < dongs> < srk> stm32 with keil
2018-08-20T17:00:06 < dongs> ftfy
2018-08-20T17:00:35 < srk> sounds like fail
2018-08-20T17:00:39 < catphish> Laurenceb__: the idea is to fire it up once a day perhaps
2018-08-20T17:01:02 < Laurenceb__> well if you only wait for 1pps then you need <500ms drift
2018-08-20T17:01:42 < zyp> Laurenceb__, 1pps is not so interesting when you're doing daily corrections, what you care about is absolute timestamp
2018-08-20T17:01:47 < Laurenceb__> prob 4 or 5 times a day
2018-08-20T17:02:02 < catphish> well i can see how both could be useful
2018-08-20T17:02:15 < dongs> dongs locked loop
2018-08-20T17:02:16 < catphish> you could just use the 1pps pulse to prevent drift
2018-08-20T17:02:21 < Laurenceb__> zyp: if you can align it to true time and keep it aligned ot 1pps you know the time
2018-08-20T17:02:29 < zyp> fair
2018-08-20T17:02:41 < Laurenceb__> with 20ppm xtal you need ~4 times a day to pull in initially
2018-08-20T17:02:51 < zyp> but it'd still need absolute time at initialization
2018-08-20T17:02:55 < Laurenceb__> actually I'd run about 8 times a day due to temperature swings
2018-08-20T17:02:56 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2018-08-20T17:02:58 < catphish> good maths :)
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2018-08-20T17:03:16 < catphish> but if you only need to run it for 1 second then once an hour would be fine
2018-08-20T17:03:37 < Laurenceb__> so 50nA mean from the DCF77 thing
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2018-08-20T17:03:55 < Laurenceb__> you need 10 to 20s to get a 1pps from the DCF77 modules
2018-08-20T17:04:10 < catphish> i'd be pretty to run 50nA 24/7 though really
2018-08-20T17:04:26 < catphish> that's probably low enough to be "meh"
2018-08-20T17:04:39 < Laurenceb__> yeah RTC is several times higher
2018-08-20T17:05:18 < catphish> 600nA RTC
2018-08-20T17:05:31 < catphish> so yeah
2018-08-20T17:06:56 < zyp> IIRC RTC draw varies from like 0.5uA to 2uA depending on temperature and shit according to specs
2018-08-20T17:07:17 < zyp> (numbers from when I worked with RTC on f4)
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2018-08-20T17:08:12 < catphish> l0 datasheet says "0.6 µA Stop mode + RTC + 8 KB RAM retention"
2018-08-20T17:08:41 < catphish> i guess that's variable, but regardless, i have no choice in the matter
2018-08-20T17:09:54 < catphish> anyway 1uA is 100 years on a 1AH cell
2018-08-20T17:10:07 < zyp> https://www.st.com/resource/en/datasheet/stm32l031e6.pdf <- page 63
2018-08-20T17:10:16 < zyp> got some fun curves
2018-08-20T17:10:17 < catphish> so i should probably not worry about 100nA
2018-08-20T17:10:38 < catphish> ah nice
2018-08-20T17:10:41 < qyx> btw did you see SAM L10?
2018-08-20T17:11:22 < qyx> it has some interesting low power features
2018-08-20T17:11:39 < catphish> uk weather is -5C to +35C, and i'm running at 3.0V, so in the nice part of those curves
2018-08-20T17:12:10 < catphish> i can afford 10uA all in
2018-08-20T17:13:04 < qyx> why no cortex-m23 from st
2018-08-20T17:14:46 < dongs> but microshit
2018-08-20T17:15:00 < zyp> qyx, probably gonna show up eventually
2018-08-20T17:15:27 < Steffanx> Ill never see them as microchip. for me it will always be Atmel
2018-08-20T17:15:42 < zyp> haha, same
2018-08-20T17:16:05 < zyp> I still think of micrel and smsc as separate entities too
2018-08-20T17:16:14 < zyp> despite microchip eating them all
2018-08-20T17:17:32 < Steffanx> hehe
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2018-08-20T17:25:50 < dongs> so is M23 lower power than M0/m0+?
2018-08-20T17:26:12 < dongs> 25 µA/MHz for microshat version
2018-08-20T17:26:13 < karlp> not, but its sEcUrE or something
2018-08-20T17:26:46 < dongs> in dongs we trust
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2018-08-20T17:28:57 < Steffanx> me too
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2018-08-20T17:30:57 < dongs> https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-2080-Graphics-Card-PCB_2.jpg heh
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2018-08-20T17:31:52 < Thorn> is that a 10 phase buck
2018-08-20T17:31:58 < dongs> sure
2018-08-20T17:32:28 < dongs> vcore is like 200A@0.9V or someshit
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2018-08-20T17:33:38 < englishman> cool
2018-08-20T17:34:32 < qyx> looks like toporouter-like thing
2018-08-20T17:35:04 < veverak> PROBLEM SOLVED
2018-08-20T17:35:21 < veverak> seems like compiling code with -O0 makes my interrupts too slow
2018-08-20T17:35:41 < dongs> < veverak> seems like compiling code with gcc makes my interrupts too slow
2018-08-20T17:35:42 < dongs> ftfy
2018-08-20T17:35:58 < veverak> lol
2018-08-20T17:36:00 < veverak> :)
2018-08-20T17:36:06 < karlp> Thorn: 8 maybe, top two are a different value, differents upply?
2018-08-20T17:36:20 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdkK__VLp9c
2018-08-20T17:36:32 < dongs> retarded chink
2018-08-20T17:36:39 < karlp> qyx: yeah, like the wavy styled traces from pcie
2018-08-20T17:37:41 < englishman> spotted taranis
2018-08-20T17:38:36 < dongs> is it?
2018-08-20T17:38:45 < englishman> no
2018-08-20T17:38:48 < englishman> AT99 or AT90
2018-08-20T17:38:49 < dongs> i have X9D or whatever, it looks diff
2018-08-20T17:38:53 < englishman> something horrible and chinese
2018-08-20T17:39:25 < englishman> @ 0:15
2018-08-20T17:39:47 < dongs> but can he do flips wiht that
2018-08-20T17:39:58 < dongs> that thing looks like an amazing way to get your limbs chopped off
2018-08-20T17:48:31 < catphish> searching DCF77 yields a lot more information than the UK 50kHz :)
2018-08-20T17:49:32 < catphish> *60
2018-08-20T17:50:05 < catphish> maybe i can design an AM receiver myself with a bit of learnings
2018-08-20T17:52:44 < veverak> dongs: btw: what compiler do you use?
2018-08-20T17:53:17 < Thorn> the most expensive one available
2018-08-20T17:54:27 < dongs> veverak: keil armcc
2018-08-20T17:58:07 < catphish> i'll go ahead and build this mofo and see what happens: https://i1.wp.com/www.deltadigit.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/radio1.png?fit=676%2C473&ssl=1
2018-08-20T17:58:19 < dongs> heh
2018-08-20T17:58:52 < catphish> replacing the speaker with a LPF and a MCU :)
2018-08-20T18:03:05 < Sadale> damn it. I broken the FPC cable of the LCD. I have to get a new one :(
2018-08-20T18:12:03 < mawk> solder a new one
2018-08-20T18:12:09 < mawk> a new cable I mean
2018-08-20T18:12:19 < mawk> with a steady hand you can do anything, trust me
2018-08-20T18:35:14 < Sadale> well, no idea on how to get one. The FPC is directly sticked to the LCD.
2018-08-20T18:35:27 < Sadale> I've ordered a couple of new LCDs. :(
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2018-08-20T18:35:45 < Sadale> Now I'm going to do something else before the replacement arrive.
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2018-08-20T18:39:27 < Cracki> flatflex cables might be soldered on (with a stamp-like iron)
2018-08-20T18:39:36 < Cracki> so that's how you'd get it off
2018-08-20T18:41:11 < Cracki> if it's the good old monochrome segment/matrix kind, there should be a rubbery "connective tissue" between the glass and whatever circuitry
2018-08-20T18:41:30 < Laurenceb__> anyone here familiar with bluetooth connection logic?
2018-08-20T18:41:43 < Laurenceb__> under what conditions is a connection dropped?
2018-08-20T18:41:56 < Laurenceb__> lots of failed packets in a row or something?
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2018-08-20T18:43:11 < Thorn> bluetooth classic or ble?
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2018-08-20T18:45:20 < Sadale> well, I'd just settle by getting a new one. It isn't that expensive anyway :P
2018-08-20T18:45:37 < Laurenceb__> classic
2018-08-20T18:47:01 < Laurenceb__> ah looks like there is a connection failed and a timeout condition
2018-08-20T18:47:25 < Laurenceb__> BT is borderline in the wambulance, trying to work out how bad it can get before failure
2018-08-20T18:47:39 < Laurenceb__> I should get some SMA antennas and a adjustable attenuator
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2018-08-20T18:54:39 < BrainDamage> you can increase the timeout setting on a per device basis
2018-08-20T18:57:20 < Laurenceb__> ah I se enow
2018-08-20T18:57:31 < Laurenceb__> it seems to be typically 100ms
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2018-08-20T19:03:55 < veverak> dongs: oh, it allready supports C++14!
2018-08-20T19:03:58 < veverak> ** pokerface **
2018-08-20T19:04:00  * veverak trolls out
2018-08-20T19:12:48 < bitmask> hmm all my packages taking over a month are coming from GUANGZHOU
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2018-08-20T19:41:43 < englishman> omfg fucking assrobat DC is awful
2018-08-20T19:42:32 < Steffanx> what is a good alternative that is not awful?
2018-08-20T19:42:44 < englishman> idk i have to use this because of some dumb drm cloud pdf
2018-08-20T19:42:48 < englishman> usually i use acrobat 11
2018-08-20T19:43:32 < Steffanx> isnt that real payware?
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2018-08-20T19:46:47 < Laurenceb__> wtf did I read
2018-08-20T19:46:56 < Laurenceb__> adobe acrobat?
2018-08-20T19:47:21 < Steffanx> i wouldnt hate DC, if you could simply move around the tabs etc. englishman
2018-08-20T19:47:46 < englishman> there's different popups every time i open it
2018-08-20T19:47:53 < Laurenceb__> wtf even is it
2018-08-20T19:48:16 < englishman> go away facetious troll
2018-08-20T19:48:37 < Steffanx> i think Laurenceb__  reads his pdfs in the bestest reader of them all: Chrome
2018-08-20T19:48:54 < Laurenceb__> I use evince
2018-08-20T19:48:57 < Steffanx> no popups here, none at all
2018-08-20T19:49:00 < englishman> the worst pdf reader ever is chrome
2018-08-20T19:49:13 < Steffanx> haha, yes
2018-08-20T19:53:32  * karlp can't stand using browser pdf readers
2018-08-20T19:54:51 < englishman> cable manufacturer suggests running usb-highspeed over idc cable
2018-08-20T19:54:58 < englishman> should i bail y/y
2018-08-20T19:55:58 < karlp> it'll probably work just fine right?
2018-08-20T19:56:08 < Steffanx> Hows LORA?
2018-08-20T19:56:19 < karlp> I mean, probably not in the prescence of EM fields, so your immunity tests will all fail, but....
2018-08-20T19:56:20 < srk> sounds like i-dont-care cable
2018-08-20T19:57:11 < srk> insulation displacement contact oO
2018-08-20T19:58:08 < englishman> lorawan concentrator is here
2018-08-20T19:58:38 < BrainDamage> what distances did you achieve with lora?
2018-08-20T19:58:53 < englishman> like plain boring lora?
2018-08-20T19:59:31 < englishman> with the +20dBm onchip amp i guess 10k at 30? kbps
2018-08-20T19:59:33 < englishman> i forget tbh
2018-08-20T19:59:44 < Steffanx> Real life experience...
2018-08-20T19:59:47 < englishman> but that was line of sight and air to ground
2018-08-20T19:59:59 < Steffanx> ah
2018-08-20T20:00:15 < BrainDamage> air to gnd can have huge distances
2018-08-20T20:00:24 < englishman> yeah, empty fresnel zone
2018-08-20T20:01:09 < englishman> ffff supplied antenna is RetardedPolarization-SMA
2018-08-20T20:01:21 < srk> we've had some 50km transfers https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/t/ttn-brno-czech-republic/12500
2018-08-20T20:01:34 < englishman> cool
2018-08-20T20:01:45 < englishman> so you are doing things with loradongs and ttn?
2018-08-20T20:01:51 < srk> yeah
2018-08-20T20:01:53 < englishman> so
2018-08-20T20:01:56 < englishman> once your shit is in ttn
2018-08-20T20:02:00 < englishman> how do you get it out?
2018-08-20T20:02:00 < srk> but might roll my own server if needed
2018-08-20T20:02:03 < srk> mqtt
2018-08-20T20:02:08 < englishman> but you need a separate server
2018-08-20T20:02:10 < englishman> to poll it
2018-08-20T20:02:11 < englishman> right?
2018-08-20T20:02:13 < srk> no
2018-08-20T20:02:15 < srk> just a client
2018-08-20T20:02:17 < srk> wait
2018-08-20T20:02:26 < srk> https://github.com/sorki/ttn-client
2018-08-20T20:03:05 < srk> working on app based on this which shows received data in browser, that one needs server (both http and websockets)
2018-08-20T20:03:24 < srk> but you can run ttn-client without your mqtt server, you just connect to router.thethings.network
2018-08-20T20:03:35 < englishman> i dont know the first thing about haskell but it looks like you are still polling?
2018-08-20T20:03:47 < srk> eu.thethings.network 1883
2018-08-20T20:03:50 < srk> polling? no
2018-08-20T20:03:58 < srk> there's no polling with mqtt, it's messaging
2018-08-20T20:04:13 < englishman> so you just subscribe
2018-08-20T20:04:17 < srk> yes
2018-08-20T20:04:19 < englishman> ok
2018-08-20T20:04:50 < srk> there's ttnc executable you can use directly
2018-08-20T20:04:59 < srk> after populating ~/.ttn/config
2018-08-20T20:05:02 < karlp> heh, only 1 byte for channel number.
2018-08-20T20:05:14 < englishman> so thingspeak could subscribe to ttn
2018-08-20T20:05:15 < srk> it can decode cayene-lpp and dumb two float format 
2018-08-20T20:05:16 < englishman> and done
2018-08-20T20:05:25 < karlp> just do mosquitto_sub -h ttn.blah ....
2018-08-20T20:05:29 < karlp> why get haskell involved...
2018-08-20T20:05:36 < srk> aww
2018-08-20T20:05:38 < srk> just use crap
2018-08-20T20:05:50 < karlp> haskell doesn't make crap non-crap 
2018-08-20T20:05:51 < srk> when you can have solid client
2018-08-20T20:05:57 < srk> but I do
2018-08-20T20:06:11 < srk> cause I want it to work all the time
2018-08-20T20:06:13 < englishman> hmm no thingspeak isnt a client
2018-08-20T20:06:15 < englishman> for some reason
2018-08-20T20:06:18 < srk> and handle reconnects and co
2018-08-20T20:06:19 < englishman> so i need an intermediary
2018-08-20T20:07:18 < srk> karlp: its haskell even on the embedded side xD
2018-08-20T20:07:30 < karlp> yes, I'm well aware of your haskell, we've spoken before.
2018-08-20T20:07:33 < srk> needs few more bits for complete haskell stack but I'm ok with erlang server as well
2018-08-20T20:07:37 < karlp> isn't it all actually ivoron on the device?
2018-08-20T20:07:47 < srk> yes
2018-08-20T20:07:53 < srk> https://github.com/gotthardp/lorawan-server
2018-08-20T20:08:32 < srk> I'm starting to be suspicious of ttn a bit due to hipster project nature and microservices + cloud
2018-08-20T20:08:46 < karlp> who's using cayenne llp apart fro cayenne and you?
2018-08-20T20:09:01 < karlp> and why did they bury llp inside their lora docs?
2018-08-20T20:09:04 < srk> ttn
2018-08-20T20:09:07 < srk> lorawan-server
2018-08-20T20:09:21 < srk> I don't know and I don't care
2018-08-20T20:09:25 < srk> I just like implementing protocols
2018-08-20T20:09:48 < karlp> so why cayenne? you work there?
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2018-08-20T20:09:56 < srk> nope
2018-08-20T20:10:14 < srk> cause of the decoders available even on ttn
2018-08-20T20:10:23 < srk> it's pretty easy to implement
2018-08-20T20:10:36 < srk> like I don't care that much about using stuff like cayene lpp
2018-08-20T20:10:59 < srk> cause I can do serialization just like that and how I want, without even writing serdes code manually
2018-08-20T20:11:45 < srk> but why not, that protocol makes sense as well and it's *way* better than sending JSON as suggested by some tutorials
2018-08-20T20:12:16 < srk> my "production" ivory app just packs temperature and humidity into two floats
2018-08-20T20:12:20 < srk> the standard way
2018-08-20T20:12:33 < srk> (or fuck it way)
2018-08-20T20:13:27 < karlp> good thing with sending json like "everyone" else does is you don't need _any_ tools to decode it first.
2018-08-20T20:13:43 < karlp> and like it matters when data is measured in gigs not $/bytes these days
2018-08-20T20:13:59 < srk> gotta crash some drones, bbl
2018-08-20T20:14:18 < srk> just use json, who cares
2018-08-20T20:15:06 < Steffanx> lol, i can feel the tension :P
2018-08-20T20:15:30 < karlp> I'm not against using binary, I just feel like using binary "because" isn't really a great reason.
2018-08-20T20:16:00 < karlp> cayenne's mqtt api doesn't use binary or json, thjey just use ascii :)
2018-08-20T20:16:42 < karlp> cayenne's grown up nicely though, much more docs and demos than they used to ahve.
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2018-08-20T20:29:51 < Laurenceb__> wow I didnt realise how much 2.4GHz attenuation a concrete wall gave
2018-08-20T20:29:59 < Laurenceb__> looks like 17 to 18dB
2018-08-20T20:30:10 < Laurenceb__> no wonder bluetooth and wifi are shit
2018-08-20T20:30:42 < antto> concrete wall - 18dB of protection from brain cancer
2018-08-20T20:30:57 < antto> my new best friend
2018-08-20T20:31:40 < antto> Laurenceb bluetoof and wifi are sh*t cuz they forgot to put an actual cable
2018-08-20T20:31:48 < Cracki> won't protect you from microwave rays :>
2018-08-20T20:32:13 < antto> will a mirror protect me from that?
2018-08-20T20:32:37 < Cracki> eating lead might
2018-08-20T20:33:01 < Cracki> lead bones create a natural force field around your body
2018-08-20T20:33:20 < antto> <idontbelieveyou.jpg>
2018-08-20T20:34:07 < Cracki> I swear to god that's the reason europeans used to use lead pipes
2018-08-20T20:34:19 < englishman> i liek protobufs
2018-08-20T20:34:25 < englishman> protobufs in mqtt
2018-08-20T20:34:30 < Cracki> sexprs all the way
2018-08-20T20:35:26 < Cracki> mqtt retained messages are fun. you can do file sharing that way
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2018-08-20T20:35:54 < Cracki> depending on server software and config, a gorillion bytes per message
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2018-08-20T21:03:43 < Laurenceb__> https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.818251
2018-08-20T21:04:24 < Cracki> omnious domain
2018-08-20T21:04:49 < Cracki> oh boy, they want to break apart the core unit of modern society
2018-08-20T21:05:18 < Cracki> what's next, separating children from their mothers at birth, the state raising them anonymously?
2018-08-20T21:06:16 < Cracki> they're either oblivious to these optics or they don't care
2018-08-20T21:06:47 < Cracki> individualism for thee, tribalism for me
2018-08-20T21:07:04 < Laurenceb__> very lulz article
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2018-08-20T21:07:28  * Laurenceb__ wonders if ESP32 assplodes if you set BT to 100mw
2018-08-20T21:07:41 < Cracki> I saw the first paragraph, then paywall
2018-08-20T21:07:49 < Cracki> try it, would be fun to watch
2018-08-20T21:08:20 < Cracki> ! :D bluetooth jammer, watch all the apple hipsters lose the music in their ears
2018-08-20T21:08:28 < Laurenceb__> bt in the wambulance is very borderline
2018-08-20T21:08:41 < Laurenceb__> need to test it with bbl moving around and using bluetooth phones etc
2018-08-20T21:08:45 < Cracki> isn't that thing basically a metal box?
2018-08-20T21:09:09 < Laurenceb__> yes
2018-08-20T21:09:26 < Laurenceb__> as is the freematics dongle pcb under the antenna
2018-08-20T21:10:10 < Cracki> meant the ambulance but sure
2018-08-20T21:10:42 < Cracki> I'd imagine it's electromagnetically quiet in there, medical certifications for every electronic device and so on
2018-08-20T21:10:52 < Cracki> but the reflections might be shit
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2018-08-20T21:24:07 < jpa-> https://gizmodo.com/museum-visitor-falls-into-giant-hole-that-looks-like-a-1828462859
2018-08-20T21:24:38 < Cracki> hah
2018-08-20T21:25:27 < Cracki> btw, there is efforts to call a certain bodily orifice "front hole" because the normal term is something-phobic
2018-08-20T21:27:10 < mawk> why is it so hard to find 6LoWPAN transceivers
2018-08-20T21:27:15 < mawk> or even cheap zigbee ones
2018-08-20T21:27:49 < mawk> I either find SoCs/mcus or expensive stuff
2018-08-20T21:28:02 < Cracki> ipv6 and industrial internet of shit? you think there's demand?
2018-08-20T21:28:10 < mawk> yes
2018-08-20T21:28:15 < mawk> maybe not, but I have to do it
2018-08-20T21:28:19 < mawk> if I want my diploma
2018-08-20T21:28:29 < Cracki> ask the institute to buy it
2018-08-20T21:28:52 < Cracki> our network fuckery institute in the cs dept got research grants for mesh network stuff
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2018-08-20T21:40:38 < qyx> mawk: wat, there are tons of 802.15.4 transceivers under $5
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2018-08-20T21:43:38 < srk> karlp: using binary because of quite limited bandwidth considering lorawan
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2018-08-20T22:09:04 < bitmask> woooo, got Simulated Annealing, Genetic Algorithm, and Ant Colony Optimization working for one arm of the pen plotter, now I need to get them each to use both arms
2018-08-20T22:10:21 < zyp> then you can plot while you plot
2018-08-20T22:10:39 < bitmask> heh
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2018-08-20T22:16:55 < catphish> well, i made a 60khz resonant antenna, and it picks up... nothing
2018-08-20T22:17:01 < catphish> i guess it's not nearly big enough
2018-08-20T22:26:01 < Steffanx> all this in javascript bitmask ?
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2018-08-20T22:26:08 < bitmask> yea
2018-08-20T22:26:31 < bitmask> I didnt write them from scratch, I just looked online for js implementations and modified them to suit my needs
2018-08-20T22:26:31 < Steffanx> all implemented it yourself or .. ?
2018-08-20T22:26:35 < Steffanx> ah
2018-08-20T22:26:47 < bitmask> didn't have time
2018-08-20T22:26:56 < Steffanx> What do you use to do those fills btw? The diagonal lines fill
2018-08-20T22:28:22 < Steffanx> and the circles is just "circle" fitting is just some circle hough transform?
2018-08-20T22:28:28 < Steffanx> lol
2018-08-20T22:28:33 < bitmask> for that I used inkscape plugin called gcodetools, it has an area function that fills either zigzag or concentric.  I want to write my own though that works from the web interface
2018-08-20T22:28:39 < Steffanx> *and the "circle" fitting is just some circle hough transform?
2018-08-20T22:29:10 < Steffanx> heh, if it works :)
2018-08-20T22:29:45 < bitmask> its a pain in the ass, If I put the time in I can make it a lot easier
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2018-08-20T22:31:19 < bitmask> Im not sure what a hough transform is, basic shapes and full path implementation of svg I have implemented by cutting arcs/circles into line segments.  I found a function online that you enter the radius and max error the line segments create and it spits out how many segments to cut it into
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2018-08-20T22:32:58 < Steffanx> Its some machine vision feature extraction thing to find certain shapes.
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2018-08-20T22:33:23 < Steffanx> and since you posted some image with random circles i wondered what you're using
2018-08-20T22:33:44 < Cracki> machine vision you say?
2018-08-20T22:34:25 < Steffanx> No?
2018-08-20T22:34:42 < Cracki> what's this about hough transforms I read here
2018-08-20T22:34:55 < Cracki> I know what it is, but not how it applies to a plotter
2018-08-20T22:34:56 < bitmask> which circle one? Ive done a few circle drawings
2018-08-20T22:35:15 < Cracki> hough transform is used to find the parameters of circles in pictures (usually bitmaps)
2018-08-20T22:35:37 < bitmask> they were all from svg though
2018-08-20T22:35:41 < Cracki> good
2018-08-20T22:35:44 < Steffanx> idk, one that had some circles in it and where all over the place
2018-08-20T22:35:50 < Steffanx> except on the right spot :P
2018-08-20T22:36:02 < Cracki> that was prolly some numerical error, eh
2018-08-20T22:36:29 < antto> your conversation is.. going in circles
2018-08-20T22:36:41 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/zYvBllo.jpg https://i.imgur.com/i7KB6E3.png
2018-08-20T22:36:53 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/U41yhq7.jpg
2018-08-20T22:36:57 < bitmask> ?
2018-08-20T22:37:05 < Cracki> nice figures
2018-08-20T22:37:30 < Cracki> turning circles into bitmaps is bresenham, but that's a plotter, so not even that applies :P
2018-08-20T22:38:11 < Steffanx> no not that bitmask . some screenshot of your pcb
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2018-08-20T22:38:16 < Steffanx> whatever, not important
2018-08-20T22:38:43 < Cracki> ah! now I remember! that plotter UI/software has a vectorization stage for bitmap input!
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2018-08-20T22:39:01 < Cracki> I remember that screenshot where the outlines were shifted and everything had a line to origin
2018-08-20T22:39:12 < bitmask> ohhhh
2018-08-20T22:39:21 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/AGWBFFv.png
2018-08-20T22:40:07 < Steffanx> Yes that one, but that's all output of your gecodetools i guess?
2018-08-20T22:40:39 < bitmask> no the output from gcodetools was fine, it was a bug converting that output to my .rob format
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2018-08-20T22:41:47 < bitmask> I fixed it thought and attempted to draw it, I dont know if you saw that video but I set the line overlap way too high and it kept going over the same spot too many times.  I was doing the test on paper and it was just bleeding through everywhere and had no definition, that only prints at 25mmx25mm
2018-08-20T22:41:55 < bitmask> and has all those back and forth infill lines
2018-08-20T22:42:05 < Steffanx> yes and the huge lifting of the pen
2018-08-20T22:42:08 < bitmask> I'll try like 0.2 infill overlap next time 
2018-08-20T22:42:10 < Steffanx> :P
2018-08-20T22:42:12 < bitmask> riiiight :)
2018-08-20T22:42:42 < bitmask> maybe I dont even need overlap
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2018-08-20T23:36:46 < englishman> dongs: 2080 $700, 2080 Ti $1k, preorder now to ship sep 20
2018-08-20T23:37:16 < englishman> "founders edition" straight from nvidia for 800/1200 shipping sep 20
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2018-08-20T23:42:59 < Steffanx> Does that mean he can up his altium game?
2018-08-20T23:43:11 < bitmask> more bitcoinz
2018-08-20T23:43:44 < cpctr> funds are safu
2018-08-20T23:43:53 < BrainDamage> japanese houses often lack central heating, so he compensates with gpus
2018-08-20T23:44:07 < Steffanx> Aha
2018-08-20T23:44:30 < Cracki> founders edition is said to be a "devkit" level "product"
2018-08-20T23:44:59 < Steffanx> Add 16 mini dp connectors using addon board? 
2018-08-20T23:45:05 < Steffanx> S
2018-08-20T23:45:10 < cpctr> you wouldn't download a car
2018-08-20T23:45:26 < Steffanx> Arduino pin out included.
2018-08-20T23:45:28 < cpctr> you wouldn't download a 50 piece chicken McNiggers
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2018-08-20T23:51:23 < qyx> fuk this 2600 page datasheet
2018-08-20T23:51:45 < Steffanx> "this"
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2018-08-20T23:52:06 < BrainDamage> imagine the poor souls have have written it
2018-08-20T23:53:00 < Cracki> all generated
2018-08-20T23:53:16 < Cracki> if it's anything like the sheets I know, lots of parameterized macros
2018-08-20T23:53:28 < Cracki> (or copypasta...)
2018-08-20T23:57:35 < antto> so much copy-pasted that every sentence ends with a random amount of "v" symbols
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2018-08-21T00:03:04 < cpctr> What is this 2600 page thing
2018-08-21T00:03:43 < qyx> some atmel a5 mpou
2018-08-21T00:03:47 < qyx> mpu
2018-08-21T00:04:29 < antto> is the datasheet still "atmel" or "microsh*t" ?
2018-08-21T00:04:31 < cpctr> Oh damn
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2018-08-21T00:08:57 < Steffanx> Better be nice to them. They make your mcu of choice antto 
2018-08-21T00:12:51 < Cracki> atmel sheets were hundreds of pages already.
2018-08-21T00:13:03 < Cracki> you got the full description of a timer, for every timer
2018-08-21T00:13:18 < Cracki> and so on for all peripherals you might have multiple of
2018-08-21T00:13:29 < Cracki> no split into *data* sheet and ref manual
2018-08-21T00:13:54 < Cracki> not sure how they handle their arms...
2018-08-21T00:20:00 < qyx> exactyl the swme on 2600 pages
2018-08-21T00:22:37 < Cracki> a5 you said... I'ma check that out
2018-08-21T00:23:27 < Cracki> still got some new attiny devboards I wanted to check out... doubt they're much cheaper than arms tho
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2018-08-21T00:24:28 < Laurenceb__> looks like lunix doesnt allow bluetooth power to be set
2018-08-21T00:24:31 < Laurenceb__> imagine my shock
2018-08-21T00:24:45 < Laurenceb__> tfw ESP32 ardutard drivers are better than lunix
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2018-08-21T00:25:59 < cpctr> Anything is better than lunix
2018-08-21T00:26:34 < cpctr> Senpai principle #1
2018-08-21T00:26:55 < Laurenceb__> ESP32 also has better rx performance than thinkpad broadcom shit
2018-08-21T00:28:08 < cpctr> The chinaman’s nightcap
2018-08-21T00:31:00 < BrainDamage> only class 1 devices can change their output power, per bluetooth spec ...
2018-08-21T00:31:09 < BrainDamage> and you can change power using hcitool ...
2018-08-21T00:31:17 < BrainDamage> err, hciconfig
2018-08-21T00:32:01 < Laurenceb__> ah
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2018-08-21T00:35:48 < Laurenceb__> this is a class 2 card
2018-08-21T00:35:49 < Laurenceb__> thanx
2018-08-21T00:36:33 < Laurenceb__> looks like I can set ESP32 to 9dBm and get symmetrical link budget
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2018-08-21T00:46:26 < Laurenceb__> Chelsea Clinton 2020 tbh
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2018-08-21T00:46:54 < cpctr> Australia
2018-08-21T00:47:39 < cpctr> On americuh, black man then trump what is next
2018-08-21T00:48:31 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/lqddihuy9/
2018-08-21T00:49:06 < cpctr> Rofl
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2018-08-21T01:18:35 < karlp> dongs: https://imgur.com/a/J3O2VWB  
2018-08-21T01:21:27 < Laurenceb__> the sign of the partiarchy
2018-08-21T01:23:34 < Laurenceb__> Porn is a form of hate propaganda, a misogynistic hate crime which those found guilty should be added to a centrally monitored database & for which sentences should be increased.
2018-08-21T01:24:13 < Laurenceb__> this is comedy gold https://mobile.twitter.com/RobotCampaign?p=s
2018-08-21T01:24:53 < cpctr> Lol
2018-08-21T01:25:00 < Laurenceb__> the future is now
2018-08-21T01:25:42 < cpctr> Yeah
2018-08-21T01:26:46 < cpctr> I need the intro music to the filthiest porn channels
2018-08-21T01:27:04 < cpctr> As long as no moaning or screaming
2018-08-21T01:27:17 < cpctr> Then I will play the sound on the train
2018-08-21T01:27:30 < cpctr> See who looks back in shock/horror
2018-08-21T01:28:10 < Steffanx> Try pornhub?
2018-08-21T01:28:20 < cpctr> Well duh
2018-08-21T01:28:21 < Laurenceb__> no fappin on the train
2018-08-21T01:28:36 < cpctr> Then I will turn around the computer
2018-08-21T01:28:45 < cpctr> On the screen THE GAME
2018-08-21T01:28:51 < Laurenceb__> https://mobile.twitter.com/RobotCampaign/status/1030210808431689729?p=v
2018-08-21T01:28:53 < Laurenceb__> w e w
2018-08-21T01:29:30 < Laurenceb__> inb4 the SJWs all kill each other 
2018-08-21T01:33:23 < cpctr> Lets get it started
2018-08-21T01:34:33 < cpctr> I wear a dress and get paddled by a table tennis racquet with nails through it
2018-08-21T01:34:40 < cpctr> What’s wrong with that?
2018-08-21T01:38:57 < Laurenceb__> the fact that you are involved
2018-08-21T01:39:32 < cpctr> It’s a queshhhhton!
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2018-08-21T02:04:00 < catphish> i was unsuccessful in my attempts to find anywhere to buy individual quantities of any of those low frequency ASK receiver ICs, gonna try to find someone nice to help me design a receiver :)
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2018-08-21T02:06:01 < _unreal_> looking for a good code example of a cnc controller using the discovery board..... I've found a few on line but the information was so spotty i'm a little lost
2018-08-21T02:06:11 < _unreal_> Working on building a cnc machine
2018-08-21T02:06:17 < Laurenceb__> catphish: just buy a module
2018-08-21T02:06:56 < catphish> Laurenceb__: i have ordered a module, this doesn't seem ideal though, especially as the supplier is "random ebayer"
2018-08-21T02:07:09 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2018-08-21T02:07:13 < catphish> i can probably find a reasonable supplier of modules if necessary
2018-08-21T02:07:24 < Laurenceb__> I looked at this a while back for frequency synth
2018-08-21T02:07:25 < catphish> but seems silly that i wouldn't be able to integrate it
2018-08-21T02:07:37 < Laurenceb__> looked like a xtal filter would be very helpful
2018-08-21T02:07:50 < Laurenceb__> aiui the xtal on the modules is a filter
2018-08-21T02:08:21 < Laurenceb__> you can make them have crazy narrow bandwidths
2018-08-21T02:08:27 < catphish> so, what i really want is an amplifier + fixed frequency crystal filter
2018-08-21T02:08:53 < catphish> i've been struggling to find a design for this, mostly because i keep finding crystal radios, maybe if i search crystal filter
2018-08-21T02:09:16 < catphish> Laurenceb__: i think that's the term i needed, thanks!
2018-08-21T02:09:32 < catphish> did you have any success with this?
2018-08-21T02:10:03 < Laurenceb__> only in spice
2018-08-21T02:10:27 < Laurenceb__> looked like single or poss dual opamp then stm32 adc might work
2018-08-21T02:11:52 < catphish> my initial thought was just a tuned antenna, but tuning isn't practical at all, and the antenna has to be huge, so now i'm wondering if i can do a much higher gain, crystal filter, smaller antenna
2018-08-21T02:12:28 < catphish> people manage to get this working in wrist watches, so it can't be that unrealistic :)
2018-08-21T02:14:04 < catphish> thanks by the way, you're being mighty helpful
2018-08-21T02:20:41 < Laurenceb__> trying to find my designs, it was a few years ago
2018-08-21T02:22:04 < catphish> just reading about crystal filters, says here single crystal filters are unpopular because they have extremely narrow bandwidth of 100hz or less
2018-08-21T02:22:13 < catphish> however that's absolutely ideal for this application
2018-08-21T02:24:07 < catphish> the signal is 60000.000000 Hz with simple on-off keying
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2018-08-21T02:38:51 < Laurenceb__> https://pdfserv.maximintegrated.com/en/an/AN726.pdf
2018-08-21T02:40:46 < Laurenceb__> thats how you spice a xtal
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2018-08-21T02:41:56 < Laurenceb__> so you make the xtal part of the opamp gain stage 
2018-08-21T02:43:12 < catphish> i need to go learn a bit more about op amps :)
2018-08-21T02:45:58 < Cracki> 0 microhertz!
2018-08-21T02:47:30 < catphish> here's one :) http://www.creative-science.org.uk/MSF_crystal_filter.html
2018-08-21T02:49:38 < Cracki> that page as a google analytics script in it...
2018-08-21T02:50:18 < Cracki> from the looks of it I'd have thought it was done in the 90s and never touched again
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2018-08-21T03:36:45 < dongs> karlp: lol
2018-08-21T03:37:12 < dongs> veverak: i dont give a slightest fuck about C++, never mind C++<insert some retarded year here>
2018-08-21T03:37:28 < dongs> C99 is also the best C
2018-08-21T03:37:38 < dongs> if you need some newfag feature from 2018 C tehn your code is shit anyway
2018-08-21T03:38:27 < dongs> englishman: seen, founders shit is $100 more but yeah 2080 even looks affordable as fuck. nvidia store will always hacve them in stock at msrp, too
2018-08-21T03:38:36 < dongs> instead of inflated trash from overclocking/rgbfaggots
2018-08-21T03:40:09 < branjb> auto_ptr is pretty nice
2018-08-21T03:41:21 < dongs> auto_anything is not nice at all
2018-08-21T03:41:45 < branjb> auto_dongs
2018-08-21T03:49:55 < branjb> dongs i'd gladly use c++ over this Rust shit
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2018-08-21T03:59:22 < dongs> yeah its kinda like choosing between a rock and a hard place
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2018-08-21T04:03:26 < aandrew> what's new dongs
2018-08-21T04:03:29 < dongs> not much
2018-08-21T04:03:34 < dongs> innov8'ing
2018-08-21T04:03:39 < aandrew> being pro as ususal
2018-08-21T04:07:20 < Cracki> branjb, gimme your take on rust
2018-08-21T04:07:49 < dongs> o6-class failure
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2018-08-21T04:09:40 < branjb> Cracki it's fine as meme language 2018, as long as it stays on a computer and doesn't manipulate hardware.  it's shit for hardware
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2018-08-21T04:10:34 < branjb> it's basically your average compsci people overthought programming language
2018-08-21T04:10:39 < dongs> kinda like python or ruby or haskell or go or any of those useless faggot languages nobody fucking uses
2018-08-21T04:10:44 < branjb> yeah
2018-08-21T04:11:01 < branjb> anything you can do in Rust, you can do in C 10x faster
2018-08-21T04:11:08 < Cracki> overengineered was my impression too, but I haven't actually touched it... just browsed some code examples
2018-08-21T04:11:44 < Cracki> I'm not sure speed of execution _or_ coding is that much a concern with rust
2018-08-21T04:12:06 < branjb> i guess the idea of using Rust in my department now somehow meant the quality of code would improve, but it turns out people who wrote shit c++ code still write shit rust code
2018-08-21T04:12:19 < Cracki> how is it shit for hardware? I saw some attempts to make it do useful things, but no idea how well that went
2018-08-21T04:12:24 < srk> I'm fucking compiling haskell to javascript atm xD
2018-08-21T04:12:40 < Cracki> blub programmers can program blub in any language
2018-08-21T04:13:27 < Cracki> if you want nonshit cow orkers, get your boss to spend more money on worthy ones ;)
2018-08-21T04:14:22 < branjb> Cracki it's terrible for things really easy to do in C, (bitmasks, memory/ptr/address manipulation).. just quality of life type things, you can basically write the same shit in Rust as you can C
2018-08-21T04:14:28 < branjb> it's just more letters typed for no reason
2018-08-21T04:14:29 < Cracki> ic ic
2018-08-21T04:14:34 < Cracki> I dislike that too
2018-08-21T04:15:01 < Cracki> the problem I see with go is that it's a language for retards
2018-08-21T04:15:10 < Cracki> they explicitly designed it for that audience
2018-08-21T04:15:21 < Cracki> nothing complicated such as templates
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2018-08-21T04:15:31 < branjb> haha
2018-08-21T04:15:38 < branjb> there's nothing wrong with C/C++
2018-08-21T04:15:41 < Cracki> it's what java started out as
2018-08-21T04:15:51 < branjb> i don't get why a new language every year is invented, people obsess over it, then it dies
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2018-08-21T04:16:51 < Cracki> what's "wrong" with c is that it works on its level, but only on that level. when you notice a pattern in your code, you can hardly abstract that
2018-08-21T04:16:58 < Cracki> people try new things
2018-08-21T04:17:44 < Cracki> I've done some unholy stuff with preprocessor macros to let me generate code... why? because that's easier to maintain and less error-prone
2018-08-21T04:18:16 < branjb> lol ever used gtest/gmock?
2018-08-21T04:18:32 < Cracki> when that reached the limit of expressiveness, I switched to generating code using python
2018-08-21T04:18:39 < Cracki> no thx, there's a g in front of it
2018-08-21T04:19:29 < Cracki> the next iteration might be parsing matlab/simulink files and generating code from that... or straight up letting simulink generate parts of the source
2018-08-21T04:19:33 < branjb> anyway I saw a unit test the other day that had a macro on line 1 of main(), go open the file containing the macro and it was 100+ lines of shit
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2018-08-21T04:19:42 < Cracki> oy
2018-08-21T04:19:45 < dongs> > preprocessor macrs
2018-08-21T04:19:49 < dongs> > easier to maintain
2018-08-21T04:19:52 < dongs> ha ha hah aha haha hah a ha ha 
2018-08-21T04:19:54 < dongs> k
2018-08-21T04:20:01 < dongs> fuck off and go back to python or some other faggot shit
2018-08-21T04:20:01 < Cracki> wanna be taught?
2018-08-21T04:20:04 < branjb> you do much with simulink?
2018-08-21T04:20:08 < Cracki> not much
2018-08-21T04:20:28 < Cracki> I know what can be done with it, I know it has a powerful bunch of toolboxes
2018-08-21T04:20:35 < branjb> there's some group that keeps bugging me to do HDL/fpga shit with simulink
2018-08-21T04:20:38 < branjb> i don't know jack shit about it
2018-08-21T04:20:40 < Cracki> and I know I DO NOT want to write state machines by hand
2018-08-21T04:20:54 < Cracki> maintaining transition tables is shit when you can't see the whole automaton
2018-08-21T04:21:15 < srk> generating code, that's what you end up doing
2018-08-21T04:21:18 < srk> mostly
2018-08-21T04:21:19 < Cracki> get them to pay to send you to a seminar
2018-08-21T04:21:30 < srk> even with cmx
2018-08-21T04:21:31 < branjb> haha
2018-08-21T04:21:34 < Cracki> aye, you generate code... from a graphical description of the graph
2018-08-21T04:21:57 < Cracki> I can easily see problems in a graphical representation of a state machine. not so much in a table format
2018-08-21T04:22:21 < Cracki> the implementation is a good amount of boilerplate. I can generate that... or maintain it by hand
2018-08-21T04:22:41 < Cracki> generation is more reliable
2018-08-21T04:23:11 < Cracki> it's really no different from generating assembly code from a language such as C
2018-08-21T04:24:01 < dongs> you must love using cube then
2018-08-21T04:24:06 < Cracki> nothx
2018-08-21T04:24:07 < dongs> if youre all about autogenerating garbage
2018-08-21T04:24:12 < dongs> how is that didfferent
2018-08-21T04:24:20 < Cracki> there's generative software development and then there's cubeshit
2018-08-21T04:24:29 < srk> state machine .. https://github.com/distrap/ivory-tower-helloworld/blob/master/src/Hello/Tests/SimpleBlink.hs#L32
2018-08-21T04:24:43 < Cracki> they're a wizard for generating clock tree settings
2018-08-21T04:24:45 < Cracki> that has merit
2018-08-21T04:24:49 < Cracki> the rest... no thanks
2018-08-21T04:24:49 < srk> contrived :D
2018-08-21T04:24:50 < dongs> haskell haha
2018-08-21T04:24:54 < dongs> fuck off
2018-08-21T04:24:59 < srk> <3
2018-08-21T04:25:11 < Cracki> I agree, haskell can die in a fire
2018-08-21T04:25:12 < srk> you don't even get it, do you?
2018-08-21T04:25:15 < srk> donks
2018-08-21T04:25:21 < Cracki> he's trolling
2018-08-21T04:25:33 < dongs> i don't even WANT to get it
2018-08-21T04:25:40 < dongs> it looks unreadable on first glance
2018-08-21T04:25:42 < dongs> just like python/etc
2018-08-21T04:25:45 < dongs> so im not interested
2018-08-21T04:25:50 < branjb> Ada
2018-08-21T04:25:53 < Cracki> just like YOUR FACE!
2018-08-21T04:26:01 < srk> it's mostly used as a macro language with safer C (ivory) in this case
2018-08-21T04:26:01 < Cracki> ada... has good ideas, but I wouldn't wanna code in it
2018-08-21T04:26:05 < Cracki> VHDL is based on ada...
2018-08-21T04:26:13 < srk> but that's beyond dongs clearly
2018-08-21T04:26:14 < branjb> is ada older than vhdl?
2018-08-21T04:26:19 < Cracki> ada is older
2018-08-21T04:26:38 < Cracki> ada was some german dude's invention
2018-08-21T04:26:48 < Cracki> wirth? he also did simula or whatever it was
2018-08-21T04:27:17 < Cracki> oh, that wasn't ada...
2018-08-21T04:27:23 < Cracki> anyway, ada 1980
2018-08-21T04:27:35 < Cracki> vhdl also around 1980s
2018-08-21T04:27:54 < Cracki> DoD... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHDL#History
2018-08-21T04:28:20 < Cracki> all looks very pascalish, which is why I thought of Wirth
2018-08-21T04:28:45 < Cracki> and it was modula, not simula https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niklaus_Wirth#Programming_languages
2018-08-21T04:33:40 < Cracki> ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niklaus_Wirth#Trivia
2018-08-21T04:34:27 < Cracki> that this haskell thing is called "ivory tower" might sound ironic to some, but these people really really mean that
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2018-08-21T04:39:03 < kakimir> how to paste shiet in linux putty
2018-08-21T04:39:21 < dongs> lol lunix putty
2018-08-21T04:39:22 < kakimir> there must be some weird combination of keys I think
2018-08-21T04:39:28 < dongs> is it not shift-ins
2018-08-21T04:39:32 < srk> shift-ins
2018-08-21T04:39:32 < dongs> like everywehre normal
2018-08-21T04:39:39 < srk> or right mouse btn
2018-08-21T04:39:39 < Cracki> middle mouse button
2018-08-21T04:39:42 < Cracki> right click and paste?
2018-08-21T04:39:45 < Cracki> ctrl-v?
2018-08-21T04:39:56 < kakimir> shift insert?
2018-08-21T04:40:02 < Cracki> alt-f4?
2018-08-21T04:43:01 < kakimir> back with konsole
2018-08-21T04:43:10 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tB9uZe3XanZ6ipMY9UOSPHXYDL661eIy/view?usp=sharing
2018-08-21T04:43:34 < kakimir> well.. check it later or so
2018-08-21T04:43:46 < bitmask> this paper is never gonna end
2018-08-21T04:43:58 < dongs> waht is this retarded alligator clip video
2018-08-21T04:44:02 < dongs> and why d id i jsut watch it
2018-08-21T04:47:20 < kakimir> muh core
2018-08-21T04:47:28 < kakimir> + hall
2018-08-21T04:47:57 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, udp version of Telemetry Viewer is out:  http://www.farrellf.com/TelemetryViewer/
2018-08-21T04:47:57 < Cracki> portrait mode video!!!
2018-08-21T04:51:21 < kakimir> like a pro
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2018-08-21T07:07:17 < aandrew> heh
2018-08-21T07:07:19 < aandrew> http://mixdown.ca/dump/debug.pdf
2018-08-21T07:07:24 < aandrew> that's the routing logic between USB to FT2232 giving me UART+JTAG/SWD and being able to flip the USB over to the ULPI for the STM32 480Mbps
2018-08-21T07:08:02 < branjb> upgrdman I've used your telemtry viewer in 3 different hobby projects now
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2018-08-21T07:40:44 < bitmask> go home robot, you're drunk
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2018-08-21T07:55:22 < dongs> altidumb seminar about to start
2018-08-21T07:56:26 < dongs> https://zoom.us/j/102313916
2018-08-21T07:57:26 < dongs> powerpoint haha
2018-08-21T07:57:29 < dongs> fuckin cancer
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2018-08-21T08:20:00 < dongs> so far they havent showed anything of value
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2018-08-21T08:23:34 < dongs> hahahah
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2018-08-21T08:33:40 < aandrew> I cannot figure out how to create a bus object with differential pairs in it
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2018-08-21T08:34:04 < aandrew> the bus naming says you must have foo[0..5] but differnetial naming says you must have foo0_p/foo0_n, foo1_p/foo1_n etc
2018-08-21T08:34:20 < aandrew> and you can't do foo[0..5]_p,foo[0..5]_n
2018-08-21T08:34:24 < cpctr> I’m the new proime ministar
2018-08-21T08:35:26 < cpctr> Until next week when somebody challenges me loidersheep
2018-08-21T08:35:50 < dongs> aandrew: ask that jap weebinar how to do that
2018-08-21T08:36:00 < cpctr> Australian politics, funny and stupid
2018-08-21T08:37:01 < jpa-> can you even put differential pairs in a bus, or do you need to make a harness?
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2018-08-21T08:40:59 < cpctr> Not until advanced altium training
2018-08-21T08:41:02 < aandrew> jpa-: I think you need a harness
2018-08-21T08:41:39 < aandrew> but then you run into the problem where the harness still wants foo_p[0..5]/foo_n[0..5] and the syste wants differential to be foo[0..5]_p/foo[0..5]_n
2018-08-21T08:42:00 < aandrew> so you can't use a port/sheet symbol to group it, you have to break out each one individually which is balls
2018-08-21T08:42:44 < dongs> gawd this meeting is completely usleess.
2018-08-21T08:42:50 < dongs> they showed nothing new
2018-08-21T08:42:52 < dongs> just gay shit
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2018-08-21T09:00:09 < cpctr> Hmm meetings ey
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2018-08-21T09:04:44 < cpctr> I had 1 it went for about 5 mins
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2018-08-21T10:27:43 < cpctr> Ey Mac.. .... You got a light?
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2018-08-21T10:39:00 < Steffanx> No sir
2018-08-21T10:39:43 < cpctr> Hi there
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2018-08-21T10:40:11 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOp28hQb_Xw
2018-08-21T10:40:19 < Laurenceb__> hbomberguy strikes
2018-08-21T10:41:20 < cpctr> Is he a Bitcoin?
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2018-08-21T12:23:05 < cpctr> pro bono niggers
2018-08-21T12:26:34 < cpctr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Uml9cw1U/unit.JPG
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2018-08-21T12:29:07 < cpctr> i'll set the soldering station and desoldering station from 450c back to 350c but not before sticking the iron up the person's ass who set it to 450c
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2018-08-21T12:34:16 < day> cpctr: maybe he used it as an IR soldering station ^^
2018-08-21T12:35:15 < cpctr> yeah who knows what they were doing to it
2018-08-21T12:46:39 < zyp> trying to desolder something with rohs solder on a ground pin without thermal relief to the ground plane with a too small tip? :p
2018-08-21T12:47:29 < cpctr> funny you say that
2018-08-21T12:47:38 < cpctr> thats what i was doing today
2018-08-21T12:48:01 < cpctr> i could have tacked on the wire but i wanted to insert it
2018-08-21T12:48:06 < cpctr> took me 2 tries
2018-08-21T12:48:15 < day> his colleagues are probably like. my god cpctr is blocking the soldering station for hours again, just turn up the heat ffs.
2018-08-21T12:48:23 < cpctr> nope
2018-08-21T12:48:28 < day> ^^
2018-08-21T12:48:28 < cpctr> i never used it
2018-08-21T12:48:41 < cpctr> and where i work currently I did byo
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2018-08-21T12:48:47 < cpctr> had a spare metcal MFR station
2018-08-21T12:48:59 < zyp> I still miss the 24W JBC I had at my former job, it tended to be better than my 80W weller at actually getting the heat into the solder joint
2018-08-21T12:49:10 < cpctr> they offered me a cheap chinese one i said no thanks i can just bring one of mine in
2018-08-21T12:49:20 < cpctr> i miss my JBC too zyp
2018-08-21T12:49:49 < cpctr> but it was tainted with the filth (my old business partner) so i let it go
2018-08-21T12:50:13 < cpctr> from that moment on I went to metcal/hakko land
2018-08-21T12:50:30 < cpctr> also just look at this https://www.oritech.com.au/hakko-fr-400-300w-desoldering-station.html
2018-08-21T12:50:58 < cpctr> it's like the 44 magnum of desoldering stations
2018-08-21T12:51:08 < day> i know i wont enter weller land again after mine dies (if it ever dies)
2018-08-21T12:51:24 < day> mine turns of my monitor if i turn it off :P
2018-08-21T12:51:36 < cpctr> odd
2018-08-21T12:52:05 < cpctr> i did know a guy who used his old cathode ray oscilloscope power on/off to test emi susceptibility 
2018-08-21T12:52:22 < zyp> I don't have anything against weller, it's just that my WS80 is old and not as efficient as more modern stuff with the heaters in the tips
2018-08-21T12:52:40 < day> im guessing the powercable is close to one of the monitor cables and it pulses into it, which shortly turns of the monitor
2018-08-21T12:52:57 < cpctr> i've never heard bad about weller in the manufacturing industry
2018-08-21T12:53:26 < zyp> I mean, I got this shit secondhand >10 years ago and it's still going strong
2018-08-21T12:53:28 < cpctr> in my silly little imagination i expected they'd all have JBC or metcal irons
2018-08-21T12:53:39 < zyp> the big tips for PTH work are also great
2018-08-21T12:53:48 < day> the handpiece isnt that nice either. i mean it works as good as you expect it to work, but it just has some quirks (weller i-con)
2018-08-21T12:53:49 < cpctr> yeah
2018-08-21T12:54:20 < cpctr> again unfortunately the weller irons at my old university were thrashed and oxidized as fuck
2018-08-21T12:54:39 < cpctr> they'd been left on for 10 hours at maximum temperature
2018-08-21T12:55:30 < day> im using a big tip and usually run it at <300
2018-08-21T12:55:45 < zyp> that sounds cold
2018-08-21T12:55:52 < day> leaded solder
2018-08-21T12:55:59 < zyp> yeah, but still
2018-08-21T12:56:00 < day> 290 or so works fine
2018-08-21T12:56:09 < zyp> my rule of thumb is 360 for leaded, 410 for leadless
2018-08-21T12:56:27 < day> that sounds hot
2018-08-21T12:57:25 < day> at 400+ the handpiece becomes nasty to hold imho
2018-08-21T12:57:35 < zyp> I don't have that problem
2018-08-21T12:57:48 < cpctr> the good thing about metcal is there is one button
2018-08-21T12:58:32 < cpctr> and i only buy the ~360c tips
2018-08-21T12:58:35 < invzim> zyp: for your jvs thingie, do you use a 3v3 transceiver?
2018-08-21T12:58:57 < zyp> hmm, I think I run it directly from vbus
2018-08-21T12:59:04 < zyp> i.e. no
2018-08-21T13:00:00 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/hjk3A.png <- yup, transceiver is hooked together with regulator Vin
2018-08-21T13:06:41 < cpctr> i wonder what JVS is
2018-08-21T13:06:46 < cpctr> :[
2018-08-21T13:17:22 < zyp> RS485-based protocol using USB connectors, common for IO in arcade machines
2018-08-21T13:17:40 < cpctr> ah cool
2018-08-21T13:17:59 < invzim> allright, I use 3v3 and looks like I may have problem with ONE io board
2018-08-21T13:18:03 < cpctr> I know the JAMMA thing you stick into the arcade monitor gizmo
2018-08-21T13:18:57 < invzim> trying to source that IO to put it on the bench and have a look, I think the designers took some ancient rs485 refrence designs for long haul and did heavy biasing and termination
2018-08-21T13:26:52 < Steffanx> How can you not know that. You are THE only arcade guy i know cpctr 
2018-08-21T13:28:09 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/00da03b685/138059.png
2018-08-21T13:28:34 < cpctr> all i know is the old arcade machines
2018-08-21T13:32:06 < cpctr> http://www.ozstick.com.au/product/jamma-wiring-harness/
2018-08-21T13:32:14 < cpctr> this piece of shit that the boxes have
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2018-08-21T13:32:25 < cpctr> plug the board into that
2018-08-21T13:32:30 < cpctr> that's all i know
2018-08-21T13:32:47 < cpctr> but pacman is for stoners
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2018-08-21T13:38:19 < dongs> https://www.ebay.com/itm/182543285419? ghow the fuck can china make any money off this
2018-08-21T13:39:36 < cpctr> well let me see
2018-08-21T13:40:25 < cpctr> yeah is interesting ..... maybe it doesn't work or something
2018-08-21T13:43:14 < Laurenceb> I found cpctr on youtube https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=vey6_1534845895
2018-08-21T13:43:23 < cpctr> hi lorence
2018-08-21T13:45:42 < Steffanx> Liveleak = youtube ?
2018-08-21T13:45:51 < Laurenceb> livetube
2018-08-21T13:45:56 < Laurenceb> youleak
2018-08-21T13:45:57 < cpctr> yeah isn't it
2018-08-21T13:46:00 < cpctr> fucking bots!
2018-08-21T13:47:34 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=Cjlfg_1534823196
2018-08-21T14:01:58 < cpctr> hi sir
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2018-08-21T14:39:39 < Laurenceb> nice
2018-08-21T14:39:52 < Laurenceb> took out the µSD card and upped power to 8dBm
2018-08-21T14:40:05 < Laurenceb> 10dB margin in all the wambulances now
2018-08-21T14:40:54 < Steffanx> Lies 
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2018-08-21T14:47:28 < cpctr> lies make baby jesus cry
2018-08-21T14:51:41 < zyp> dongs, do you still have 4L proto panels coming through now and then?
2018-08-21T14:55:11 < dongs> occasionally. whats up?
2018-08-21T14:55:50 < zyp> pal is asking me when I'm gonna finish the EVSE shit I was working on, they just bought their second EV and would like a double-output charger
2018-08-21T14:56:00 < zyp> so I figure maybe I should do something about that soon
2018-08-21T14:56:10 < zyp> throw out the edison and just slap on plain ethernet or something
2018-08-21T14:56:12 < dongs> cool. well, you could also just buy a proto, its not like you're short on cash :p
2018-08-21T14:56:23 < dongs> does it even need to be 4L without edickson?
2018-08-21T14:57:03 < zyp> edison is not the complex part: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/BKkr8.png
2018-08-21T14:57:19 < dongs> ah tis that board
2018-08-21T14:57:26 < dongs> i assembled something related to it right
2018-08-21T14:57:32 < dongs> a daughterboard or something?
2018-08-21T14:57:35 < zyp> yeah
2018-08-21T14:57:54 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/44ZNT.png <- here's power layer of that board
2018-08-21T14:58:05 < dongs> cool
2018-08-21T14:58:37 < cpctr> ニャー
2018-08-21T14:59:32 < zyp> rightmost polygon can probably be removed along with the edison, but there's still enough shit to justify 4L
2018-08-21T14:59:41 < zyp> even more so if I add RMII
2018-08-21T14:59:55 < cpctr> stm32 on board?
2018-08-21T15:00:03 < zyp> yeah, good old f407
2018-08-21T15:00:16 < dongs> F107
2018-08-21T15:00:22 < zyp> not that old :p
2018-08-21T15:00:33 < cpctr> ^_^
2018-08-21T15:00:52 < cpctr> f407 was the first one i used
2018-08-21T15:02:02 < Laurenceb> muh ESP32 µSD driverz
2018-08-21T15:02:08 < zyp> dongs, dunno if you saw this already, but I was dicking around testing the other board a few months back: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/3825L.jpg
2018-08-21T15:02:14 < Laurenceb> it fails if I press the reset button
2018-08-21T15:02:47 < Laurenceb> only works from POR
2018-08-21T15:03:06 < kakimir> hah I think I caused shitstorm in daves video
2018-08-21T15:03:10 < Laurenceb> dis is some pro copypasta arduino codez
2018-08-21T15:03:13 < Laurenceb> >daves videos
2018-08-21T15:03:14 < kakimir> today video is removed
2018-08-21T15:03:21 < dongs> zyp: cool
2018-08-21T15:03:22 < cpctr> ?
2018-08-21T15:03:40 < kakimir> I still see notifications and shit storm brewing up
2018-08-21T15:03:58 < kakimir> video ts80 vs ts100
2018-08-21T15:03:59 < Laurenceb> kakimir: what did you say?
2018-08-21T15:04:12 < kakimir> typical fanboy things
2018-08-21T15:04:16 < zyp> I hope there's space to fit an ethernet jack in that enclosure
2018-08-21T15:04:39 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/00da03b685/138074.jpg kakimir irl
2018-08-21T15:05:12 < zyp> preferably the same shit I used on the LL board, I'm thinking about just copying the entire ethernet block from that
2018-08-21T15:05:16 < kakimir> I was SJW before it was cool
2018-08-21T15:06:51 < Laurenceb> kakimir: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gDH3Qz8BVJc
2018-08-21T15:08:26 < kakimir> :o
2018-08-21T15:10:54 < zyp> dongs, also, not so sure about that "not short on cash"
2018-08-21T15:11:12 < zyp> bills for the new house have started coming in
2018-08-21T15:11:13 < cpctr> hi friends
2018-08-21T15:12:30 < zyp> yesterday I got a >$2k bill from the city office (or whatever) just for the processing fee of the construction permit application
2018-08-21T15:13:41 < Laurenceb> lol norway
2018-08-21T15:13:45 < kakimir> https://twitter.com/eevblog
2018-08-21T15:14:06 < Laurenceb> >PewDie Pi
2018-08-21T15:14:07 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-08-21T15:15:09 < zyp> Laurenceb, is it any cheaper over there?
2018-08-21T15:15:18 < Laurenceb> prob ukp50 or so
2018-08-21T15:15:19 < cpctr> lol eevblog
2018-08-21T15:15:25 < zyp> haha
2018-08-21T15:15:35 < cpctr> hope trolls reupload his retarded vid
2018-08-21T15:15:40 < Laurenceb> unless you pay a consultant to do everything, in which case...
2018-08-21T15:16:33 < zyp> the application here were filed by the construction company, as part of the contract I have with them
2018-08-21T15:16:52 < zyp> but then the city office demands that fee for processing it
2018-08-21T15:16:59 < kakimir> I was first to not watch the video and complain in comment section
2018-08-21T15:17:19 < kakimir> my archivements
2018-08-21T15:22:21 < kakimir> do you know any replacements for MP2315 that are similar specs and price but better package?
2018-08-21T15:22:35 < kakimir> I mean tsot-23 sucks
2018-08-21T15:23:35 < zyp> what's wrong with tsot-23? too big?
2018-08-21T15:23:45 < kakimir> thermal performance
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2018-08-21T15:24:44 < zyp> bad enough to matter? I imagine they wouldn't have used that package if it weren't good enough
2018-08-21T15:25:04 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-21T15:25:11 < kakimir> I want 6volts in and 5volts out
2018-08-21T15:25:28 < cpctr> o
2018-08-21T15:25:31 < kakimir> it can be done but I don't have too good margins for operation
2018-08-21T15:26:52 < cpctr> ok
2018-08-21T15:26:54 < zyp> at one volt drop, would it be that bad to just use an LDO?
2018-08-21T15:27:16 < kakimir> I want it also to operate with vin 17v
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2018-08-21T15:55:49 < kakimir> what would happen if 2 inductors were used parraler in buck regulator
2018-08-21T15:56:28 < kakimir> would it work effectivelly as halving of DCR
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2018-08-21T16:03:37 < dongs> < zyp> yesterday I got a >$2k bill
2018-08-21T16:03:38 < dongs> RIP
2018-08-21T16:05:49 < Laurenceb> the cringe is real https://imgoat.com/uploads/00da03b685/138089.png
2018-08-21T16:06:33 < englishman> dong built his house then asked for permission later
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2018-08-21T16:08:07 < Laurenceb> the government paid me to rebuild my house
2018-08-21T16:08:17 < Laurenceb> take that lolbergs
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2018-08-21T16:08:54 < bitmask> o/
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2018-08-21T16:08:57 < Laurenceb> >have to pay ukp50
2018-08-21T16:09:08 < Laurenceb> >just submit as extra expenses
2018-08-21T16:09:10 < bitmask> free suit, lets hope it fits
2018-08-21T16:09:12 < dongs> ukip50
2018-08-21T16:09:46 < Laurenceb> correct
2018-08-21T16:09:55 < Laurenceb> regeneration grant shit
2018-08-21T16:10:39 < catphish> Laurenceb: will they pay for me to build a new house?
2018-08-21T16:10:51 < catphish> i mean, my house is ok, but i'd always like a better one
2018-08-21T16:11:09 < Laurenceb> catphish: they will pay you to regenerate abandoned houses in liverpool and places
2018-08-21T16:11:38 < Laurenceb> you can buy for next to nuts, get all the work paid for, then sell a few years later
2018-08-21T16:11:43 < catphish> well that's pretty cool, are these houses literally worthless?
2018-08-21T16:11:51 < Laurenceb> all win... apart from the fact that youll struggle to sell
2018-08-21T16:11:54 < Laurenceb> yes
2018-08-21T16:12:08 < Laurenceb> I rent to students
2018-08-21T16:12:16 < catphish> i remember there being some houses for sale for £1 a while back, which is pretty shocking considering how much they cost down here
2018-08-21T16:12:47 < Laurenceb> yeah I think there are still some £1 house deals
2018-08-21T16:12:56 < englishman> now we know why laurent has never had a job, he is part of the rent-seeking upper echelon
2018-08-21T16:13:01 < Laurenceb> correct
2018-08-21T16:13:12 < englishman> possibly the wealthiest chatter in here
2018-08-21T16:13:17 < Laurenceb>  *rubs hands*
2018-08-21T16:13:27 < englishman> well played
2018-08-21T16:14:04 < Laurenceb> I hear there are also free houses and regeneration grants in... Detroit
2018-08-21T16:14:11 < catphish> i keep considering doing property development, but couldn't see a way it was going to be profitable here
2018-08-21T16:14:11 < Laurenceb> so what are you waiting for
2018-08-21T16:14:24 < Steffann> But does he have his drivers license?
2018-08-21T16:14:34 < englishman> no he is not a driver. he is driven
2018-08-21T16:14:46 < englishman> lol @ you thinking like a poor
2018-08-21T16:15:08 < catphish> to make money on property here is seems you have to take something nice and turn it into flats, and i'm just not into that
2018-08-21T16:15:28 < Steffann> Wasnt it a ford ka Laurenceb drives?
2018-08-21T16:15:32 < Laurenceb> I did most of the work myself
2018-08-21T16:15:40 < Laurenceb> but I cant do plastering
2018-08-21T16:15:49 < Laurenceb> Steffann: vauxhall corsa
2018-08-21T16:15:54 < Steffann> Oh corsa indeed
2018-08-21T16:15:58 < catphish> lol plastering looks hard
2018-08-21T16:15:59 < Steffann> Opel.
2018-08-21T16:16:06 < Laurenceb> whatever
2018-08-21T16:16:09  * catphish had a corsa until last year
2018-08-21T16:16:11 < Steffann> :P
2018-08-21T16:16:16 < Steffann> 1999 ?
2018-08-21T16:16:20 < Laurenceb> 1995
2018-08-21T16:16:23 < Steffann> Haha
2018-08-21T16:16:24 < catphish> ha
2018-08-21T16:16:45 < Laurenceb> might fail mot soon, has too many rust holes :(
2018-08-21T16:16:52 < catphish> everyone in the UK is legally required to own a corsa at some point
2018-08-21T16:17:47 < catphish> waiting for it to fall apart before you upgrade to a bentley?
2018-08-21T16:18:06 < Laurenceb> >ftw I am rich cuz I own a shitty terraced house
2018-08-21T16:18:11 < Laurenceb> *tfw
2018-08-21T16:18:48 < Laurenceb> and a corsa...
2018-08-21T16:18:56 < karlp> still sounds strange hearing them called vauxhalls
2018-08-21T16:19:15 < Laurenceb> its the fake uk car company
2018-08-21T16:19:23 < catphish> i put pretty much as much money as possible into paying off a large mortgage, a house i live in seems like as good a way as any to invest my money
2018-08-21T16:20:00 < catphish> at least i get some benefit from it at the same time
2018-08-21T16:22:12 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/00da03b685/138095.jpg
2018-08-21T16:22:17 < Laurenceb> trolling reddit is fun
2018-08-21T16:22:33 < catphish> lol
2018-08-21T16:23:13 < BrainDamage> pretty sure anal sex was well known in the past considering what the greeks were infamous for
2018-08-21T16:24:20 < Laurenceb> >what is trolling
2018-08-21T16:24:29 < BrainDamage> baby don't hurt me
2018-08-21T16:24:32 < BrainDamage> don't hurt m
2018-08-21T16:24:33 < BrainDamage> no more
2018-08-21T16:24:51 < catphish> Laurenceb: by the way, i'm hoping i can something like this, and put a single crystal filter in the middle http://tinyurl.com/y89z2t45
2018-08-21T16:25:10 < Laurenceb> oh thats pretty sweet
2018-08-21T16:25:14 < Laurenceb> dat ajavascript
2018-08-21T16:25:24 < catphish> not used falstad before?
2018-08-21T16:25:32 < BrainDamage> falstad has been linked here thousand times
2018-08-21T16:25:33 < Laurenceb> no, I have proper spice
2018-08-21T16:25:44 < catphish> it's awesome, only does perfect components, but lovely for quick concepts
2018-08-21T16:25:57 < BrainDamage> falstad visualization is pretty cool
2018-08-21T16:25:58 < dongs> is that your low power AM receiver for 60hz radio?
2018-08-21T16:26:17 < catphish> dongs: a vague concept for one, yes
2018-08-21T16:26:24 < catphish> dongs: i don't really know what i'm doing yet
2018-08-21T16:26:41 < Laurenceb> tbh I suspect it could be done with a single opamp
2018-08-21T16:26:53 < catphish> essentially i want an antenna, an active crystal filter, and a gain gain amp
2018-08-21T16:27:22 < BrainDamage> each amp has gain 11, you should be easily be able to use a single one with better gbwp
2018-08-21T16:27:27 < Laurenceb> yeah
2018-08-21T16:27:36 < Laurenceb> choosing right one will be important tho
2018-08-21T16:27:44 < Laurenceb> I dont have any suggestions sorry :P
2018-08-21T16:27:53 < catphish> single opamp would be nice, i thought 2 with a crystal in the middle would be necessary, but wasn't sure
2018-08-21T16:28:07 < BrainDamage> crystal filter?
2018-08-21T16:28:11 < Laurenceb> xtal can be part of the feedback path
2018-08-21T16:28:32 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: using a xtal as a bandpass filter
2018-08-21T16:28:35 < catphish> Laurenceb: that sounds ideal, but i wasn't totally sure how that worked
2018-08-21T16:28:38 < BrainDamage> so yes
2018-08-21T16:28:57 < catphish> BrainDamage: a bandpass to tune the receiver to a fixed frequency
2018-08-21T16:29:16 < catphish> though any other ways to tune it would be fine too
2018-08-21T16:29:17 < Laurenceb> https://www.radio-electronics.com/images/op-amp-non-inverting-circuit-01.gif
2018-08-21T16:29:18 < dongs> so doyou need a 60hz crystal to tune it to that?
2018-08-21T16:29:19 < dongs> or wat
2018-08-21T16:29:21 < Laurenceb> R1 is xtal
2018-08-21T16:29:28 < Laurenceb> R2 is 1M ohm or something
2018-08-21T16:29:31 < BrainDamage> yes, the xtal has to be of the right frequency
2018-08-21T16:29:50 < BrainDamage> as it is, it gets errything at the input, the filter has to select the right band
2018-08-21T16:30:02 < catphish> Laurenceb: that looks easy
2018-08-21T16:30:18 < catphish> Laurenceb: i've ordered a crystal, i'll build that when it arrives and see what happens
2018-08-21T16:30:19 < Laurenceb> until it oscillates...
2018-08-21T16:30:33 < Laurenceb> probably wont be very stable on breadboard
2018-08-21T16:30:47 < Laurenceb> might work as a prototype on stripboard
2018-08-21T16:30:49 < BrainDamage> careful with that though, with the xtal in place of R1 it means that for dc the opamp is in buffer configuration
2018-08-21T16:31:32 < BrainDamage> you need to check for stability, etc
2018-08-21T16:32:29 < BrainDamage> what's the transmitter out of curiosity?
2018-08-21T16:32:30 < karlp> stability? in this cahnnel...?
2018-08-21T16:32:37 < karlp> time sync stuff
2018-08-21T16:32:40 < BrainDamage> not mental stability
2018-08-21T16:32:50 < karlp> uk 50khz, dcf77, something else they said
2018-08-21T16:32:56 < BrainDamage> ah, so you're diying WWVB
2018-08-21T16:33:07 < catphish> BrainDamage: the transmitter is 60khz or 77khz that is broadcast all over the world
2018-08-21T16:33:15 < catphish> yes :)
2018-08-21T16:33:15 < BrainDamage> 77kHZ is DCF77
2018-08-21T16:33:33 < catphish> 60kHz here in the UK and USA, 77 in europe
2018-08-21T16:33:49 < BrainDamage> russia has its own different one
2018-08-21T16:34:04 < BrainDamage> 25kHz iirc
2018-08-21T16:34:21 < catphish> i'm just focusing on 60khz right now, but would be nice if it worked at 77 too with a xtal swap
2018-08-21T16:35:30 < dongs> what does it sound like
2018-08-21T16:35:33 < BrainDamage> is this to learn or do you not mind ics?
2018-08-21T16:35:48 < BrainDamage> because there's ics for am demodulation
2018-08-21T16:35:50 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m5AT67Apvs
2018-08-21T16:35:51 < dongs> this?
2018-08-21T16:35:52 < catphish> i'm perfectly happy with an IC, as long as it's cheap and i can source it
2018-08-21T16:36:35 < catphish> BrainDamage: i've searched though, could only find one, and there's no easy way to buy it
2018-08-21T16:37:07 < catphish> this one: https://www.mas-oy.com/portfolio/mas6180b/
2018-08-21T16:37:15 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIpoJl_I8Gc daym i can feel autism from behind the screen
2018-08-21T16:37:18 < catphish> i'd use it, but i have no idea how much it costs or how to buy it
2018-08-21T16:37:52 < Laurenceb> LTC6255 might work
2018-08-21T16:37:55 < dongs> -oy sounds ilke finland or someshit
2018-08-21T16:39:01 < catphish> that thing uses a lot of power
2018-08-21T16:39:03 < kakimir> osakeyhtiö
2018-08-21T16:39:30 < Laurenceb> it has a shutdown pin
2018-08-21T16:39:32 < catphish> but i can deal with that
2018-08-21T16:39:33 < dongs> catphish: its also die-only, haha
2018-08-21T16:39:38 < dongs> no packaged version
2018-08-21T16:39:45 < dongs> page2 in datasheet shows die bond pads.
2018-08-21T16:39:55 < dongs> 1020x1260um chip
2018-08-21T16:40:10 < Laurenceb> wonder if you could solder to pads
2018-08-21T16:40:19 < Laurenceb> are they usually Al ?
2018-08-21T16:40:20 < catphish> dongs: oh yeah, bollocks
2018-08-21T16:40:26 < kakimir> dongs: joint-stock company in finnish
2018-08-21T16:41:13 < catphish> so i guess i'm sticking with the DIY opamp approach
2018-08-21T16:41:13 < BrainDamage> catphish: is this being fed to a uC?
2018-08-21T16:41:18 < catphish> BrainDamage: yes
2018-08-21T16:41:37 < catphish> an stm32, duh
2018-08-21T16:41:39 < BrainDamage> how much do you care about uC power consumption? because you can demodulate in sw
2018-08-21T16:41:49 < BrainDamage> with syncronous demod
2018-08-21T16:42:26 < catphish> i don't know how i'd demodulating yet, that's a bridge to cross once i actually have the pulses
2018-08-21T16:42:40 < BrainDamage> your circuit does include a demodulator
2018-08-21T16:43:07 < BrainDamage> the diode detector is a circuit that does both frequency shift and incoherent demodulation at the same time
2018-08-21T16:43:11 < zyp> dongs, hope you already got the network stuff you need: https://eng.lsm.lv/article/economy/economy/big-fire-at-mikrotik-warehouse.a289329/
2018-08-21T16:43:13 < catphish> oh, sorry, i thought you meant decoding
2018-08-21T16:43:45 < dongs> zyp, saw
2018-08-21T16:43:53 < dongs> apparently insured and only one of several
2018-08-21T16:44:00 < dongs> it was probably sabotated by Ubnt
2018-08-21T16:44:03 < zyp> haha
2018-08-21T16:44:06 < dongs> because they can't make quality shit like mikrodik
2018-08-21T16:44:14 < dongs> er sabotaged
2018-08-21T16:44:28 < catphish> anyway, the answer is the same, i don't know if i'll demodulate in the MCU, or with a simple diode envelope detector
2018-08-21T16:44:38 < zyp> dongs, idk, I like ubnt too
2018-08-21T16:44:43 < catphish> the signal is *so* slow that this isn't a huge concern i hope
2018-08-21T16:44:50 < zyp> ubnt is just too stingy with 10gbe ports
2018-08-21T16:45:31 < Laurenceb> https://elty.pl/en_US/p/Odbiornik-DCF77-z-ukladem-MAS6180/154
2018-08-21T16:45:34 < Laurenceb> just buy that
2018-08-21T16:45:44 < catphish> BrainDamage: the diode detector is likely the easiest, but if i can demod in the mcu and it makes sense in terms of power and component cost, i will
2018-08-21T16:46:12 < Laurenceb> I guess you could set ADC to 77x4khz
2018-08-21T16:46:16 < Laurenceb> then use DMA
2018-08-21T16:46:19 < BrainDamage> catphish: yes and no, the envelope is slow, but if you acquire in the uC you'll need to sample at 120kHz, unless you put a mixer in front
2018-08-21T16:46:34 < BrainDamage> but mixer would be overkill for this
2018-08-21T16:49:40 < catphish> i figure i can use a ADC, or even just oversample on a GPIO
2018-08-21T16:51:34 < catphish> the stm32 has a lot of nice tricks, could even measure pulse widths with a timer, i can make this decision once i have the amp/filter working though
2018-08-21T16:51:48 < Laurenceb> I'd use ADC at 310kHz
2018-08-21T16:54:31 < catphish> i have some 60khz crystals on the way, so will have a play with the amplifier shortly
2018-08-21T16:55:59 < catphish> i'm trying not to worry about demod because i need to learn a lot about the amplification stage first, the mcu stuff i'm comfrtable with, opamps not so much
2018-08-21T16:56:53 < BrainDamage> with 60kHz you're pretty much in super-relaxed territory
2018-08-21T16:57:09 < catphish> indeed, a gentle introduction i hope
2018-08-21T17:01:39 < englishman> how do i even buy mikrotik parts? all i want is good wifi but they have 900 product lines
2018-08-21T17:02:34 < catphish> true story, just want an access point?
2018-08-21T17:02:39 < englishman> idk
2018-08-21T17:02:42 < zyp> just pick one you like and buy from most convenient distributor?
2018-08-21T17:02:46 < englishman> ideally several, with sector antennas
2018-08-21T17:02:58 < englishman> to cover the yards and fields
2018-08-21T17:03:17 < englishman> but even choosing a single home access point, no idea what to pick
2018-08-21T17:03:29 < zyp> I'm using ubnt unifi for wifi, don't see a reason to stop doing that
2018-08-21T17:03:34 < englishman> same
2018-08-21T17:03:36 < englishman> seems easy
2018-08-21T17:03:41 < catphish> i prefer ubnt for wifi too
2018-08-21T17:03:49 < englishman> configure all stuff from a single interface
2018-08-21T17:04:22 < zyp> I just wish ubnt had a better selection of unifi switches
2018-08-21T17:04:24 < catphish> mikrotik do have some pretty generic products, like if you just want a home router, there's hAP
2018-08-21T17:04:37 < dongs> englishman: eurodk ships worldwide from latvia
2018-08-21T17:04:41 < dongs> by ems or fedex
2018-08-21T17:04:59 < englishman> hAP mini, hAP lite, hAP lite TC, hAP, hAP ac lite, hAP ac2, or hAP ac?
2018-08-21T17:05:10 < catphish> https://mikrotik.com/product/RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT << the generic products, it's really not that easy to find though :(
2018-08-21T17:05:45 < catphish> you're right, they have an insane product lineup now :(
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2018-08-21T17:06:23 < englishman> forgot hAP ac lite TC
2018-08-21T17:06:27 < catphish> i'm not even sure they sell a 2.4ghz sector AP :(
2018-08-21T17:06:56 < englishman> no shit dongs
2018-08-21T17:07:01 < englishman> ubnt comes nextday from amazon
2018-08-21T17:07:05 < englishman> i can figure that part out
2018-08-21T17:07:07 < catphish> ubnt ftw
2018-08-21T17:08:29 < catphish> with that said, i don't think unifi have a 2.4G sector either
2018-08-21T17:08:37 < catphish> sectors are all designed for backhaul
2018-08-21T17:09:38 < zyp> they have some directional antennas for outdoor use
2018-08-21T17:10:55 < englishman> an outdoor unit mounted up high will probably suffice
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2018-08-21T17:11:31 < englishman> but they do sell sector antennas
2018-08-21T17:12:09 < zyp> http://dl-origin.ubnt.com/datasheets/unifi/UniFi_AC_Mesh_DS.pdf <- this shit is probably decent enough for outdoor use
2018-08-21T17:13:19 < catphish> what happened to the "rocket" products
2018-08-21T17:13:25 < catphish> they were simple and modular
2018-08-21T17:13:34 < zyp> they still have those, but that's airmax, not unifi
2018-08-21T17:13:37 < dongs> wouldnt use ubnt shit for outdoor
2018-08-21T17:13:40 < dongs> mikrodik is great for it
2018-08-21T17:13:45 < kakimir> I have used
2018-08-21T17:14:09 < catphish> for serious outdoor use, i'd just to straight to ruckus
2018-08-21T17:14:10 < kakimir> bullet, nanostation loco m2, powerbeam m2
2018-08-21T17:14:14 < englishman> which microdik shit
2018-08-21T17:14:27 < englishman> there are eight different hAP products
2018-08-21T17:14:29 < dongs> i have like 5 antennas now in 5ghz linking 4 locations and they work great.
2018-08-21T17:14:31 < englishman> andi dont even know what hAP is
2018-08-21T17:14:40 < catphish> depending on speed requirements, there's some really cheap second hand outdoor ruckus devices out there too
2018-08-21T17:14:41 < dongs> englishman: for what, outdoor?
2018-08-21T17:14:44 < englishman> both
2018-08-21T17:14:48 < englishman> i want wifi indoors too.
2018-08-21T17:14:59 < dongs> i dont know, indoor unifi shit thats like aroudn $150 is not bad, their enterprise shit.
2018-08-21T17:15:03 < dongs> outdoor is mikrodik only
2018-08-21T17:15:07 < englishman> what tho
2018-08-21T17:15:13 < dongs> what do you want to connect?
2018-08-21T17:15:19 < englishman> my phone
2018-08-21T17:15:24 < dongs> no i mean....
2018-08-21T17:15:26 < dongs> what to waht?
2018-08-21T17:15:30 < dongs> wtf do you ened outdoor wifi for
2018-08-21T17:15:31 < englishman> my phone, to the internet
2018-08-21T17:15:37 < zyp> the ISP my parents use are using ubnt shit, they've got a nanostation sitting outside on the wall now for like ten years or something, still going strong
2018-08-21T17:16:17 < kakimir> I have actually a "fleet" of 5 ubiquitis active atm.
2018-08-21T17:16:59 < dongs> englishman: omni? directional? how long range outside the house? where are you gonna mount it?
2018-08-21T17:17:28 < englishman> idk probably a single omni mounted up high will be fine, i can start with that. range 500m would be great
2018-08-21T17:18:22 < zyp> englishman, if you're already running unifi, I'd just grab one of their outdoor APs
2018-08-21T17:18:52 < englishman> i'm not, just an asus router
2018-08-21T17:19:17 < englishman> the industrial ubnt stuff, no idea where to buy it
2018-08-21T17:19:29 < dongs> https://www.eurodk.com/en/products/mt-omnitik/omnitik-5-poe-ac for omni, https://www.eurodk.com/en/products/mt-mant/mantbox-19s for wide directional, 
2018-08-21T17:19:34 < englishman> mikrotik price is admittedly attractive
2018-08-21T17:20:17 < englishman> 5ghz only?
2018-08-21T17:20:30 < dongs> .. yes, the only band that isnt garbage
2018-08-21T17:20:43 < dongs> why would you want anything in 2.4
2018-08-21T17:21:05 < englishman> omnitik 5, omnitik 5 ac, omnitik 5 poe, omnitik 5 poe ac, isnt AC the latest one
2018-08-21T17:21:15 < dongs> yes
2018-08-21T17:21:20 < englishman> what is wrong with 2.4?
2018-08-21T17:21:25 < dongs> you don't need -poe one unless you plan to power other shit with it
2018-08-21T17:21:44 < dongs> omnitik 5 ac is still poe-powered just doesnt pass it on the ports
2018-08-21T17:21:52 < dongs> and like $10 less.
2018-08-21T17:22:26 < englishman> what's the indoor one to get?
2018-08-21T17:22:40 < englishman> so i can combine the two in a single management tool
2018-08-21T17:24:00 < dongs> https://www.eurodk.com/en/products/unifi/unifi-ac-high-density its kidna spendy tho
2018-08-21T17:25:24 < englishman> so ubnt
2018-08-21T17:25:36 < dongs> yes for indoor. cuz none of the shit mikrodik makes for indoor makes sense
2018-08-21T17:25:43 < dongs> its all garbage internal antennas with poor coverage
2018-08-21T17:26:32 < dongs> https://www.eurodk.com/en/products/unifi/unifi-ac-pro this ok too if you have only few devices connecting at once/streaming
2018-08-21T17:26:44 < dongs> the HD shit is when you have like 10 phones watching jewflix at once
2018-08-21T17:26:54 < englishman> for your 13 children
2018-08-21T17:27:06 < dongs> yes ,except I don't subscribe to JEWflix
2018-08-21T17:27:12 < dongs> i rent physical BDs
2018-08-21T17:27:16 < dongs> and copy them (if worth)
2018-08-21T17:27:23 < englishman> yes and don't use chrome tabs we know
2018-08-21T17:27:27 < dongs> yepo
2018-08-21T17:27:33 < dongs> i finally found an extension that removes tabs
2018-08-21T17:27:35 < dongs> its fucking great
2018-08-21T17:27:41 < dongs> i can finally browse the internet without fucking problems
2018-08-21T17:27:43 < englishman> but you use tabs in altium
2018-08-21T17:27:46 < dongs> no i dont
2018-08-21T17:27:59 < englishman> ive seen Timecop plays Altium Designer
2018-08-21T17:28:34 < dongs> couldn't have been me as I would never capitalize the T
2018-08-21T17:28:47 < englishman> fakecop.
2018-08-21T17:28:51 < dongs> correct.
2018-08-21T17:28:57 < dongs> some jew on rizon registered timecop
2018-08-21T17:28:58 < dongs> in june
2018-08-21T17:29:08 < dongs> i connected to that shit few days ago
2018-08-21T17:29:40 < dongs> anyway when this shitty archer C7 chokes I'll switch it for AC pro
2018-08-21T17:29:59 < dongs> im just using it as lan>wifi bridge
2018-08-21T17:30:03 < catphish> i use the AC LR
2018-08-21T17:30:08 < dongs> have to reboot it once a year or so as it sometimes gets stuck
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2018-08-21T17:32:59 < dongs> LR is kinda ghetto, only 800mbit AC or whatever
2018-08-21T17:33:10 < dongs> in reallife thats more like 5megs/sec 
2018-08-21T17:33:26 < dongs> this archer trash is AC1750 and I've never seen > 10meg/sec from it sitting next to the fucking AP
2018-08-21T17:33:30 < dongs> absolute fucking garbage
2018-08-21T17:33:36 < dongs> phones never get > 5meg/sec
2018-08-21T17:33:48 < dongs> wifi is fucking trash
2018-08-21T17:33:55 < dongs> correction: consumer wifi is fucking trash
2018-08-21T17:34:02 < catphish> dongs: i'm running them over 100Mbit ethernet and 100Mbit WAN, and it happily maxes that out, so i'm happy
2018-08-21T17:34:10 < dongs> snort 100mbit
2018-08-21T17:34:16 < dongs> i have gbe and 10gbe
2018-08-21T17:34:27 < dongs> anything thats 100mbit I threw in the trash like 10 years ago
2018-08-21T17:35:06 < catphish> the only part of my LAN that's 100Mbit is the POE injectors, the gigabit ones were out of stock :)
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2018-08-21T17:35:26 < catphish> the AC LR uses proprietary POE
2018-08-21T17:35:47 < catphish> also my WAN is only 100Mbit right now, so i've never bothered to fix it
2018-08-21T17:36:15 < kakimir> per what standard you would wire rs232 over rj45
2018-08-21T17:36:25 < dongs> cisco of course
2018-08-21T17:36:40 < dongs> cisco console cable or whatever trash
2018-08-21T17:36:50 < dongs> https://allpinouts.org/pinouts/cables/serial/cisco-console-rj45-to-db9-pin/
2018-08-21T17:36:53 < catphish> kakimir: RS233 only defines DB-25 AFAIK
2018-08-21T17:37:03 < dongs> oh what
2018-08-21T17:37:07 < dongs> that fucking link
2018-08-21T17:37:26 < englishman> guess i'll get an ap ac pro and the mesh thing
2018-08-21T17:37:31 < catphish> but there a a de-facto standard of using 8P8C that everyone uses
2018-08-21T17:37:36 < catphish> "cisco style"
2018-08-21T17:37:39 < dongs> https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/security/asa/hw/maintenance/5585guide/5585Xhw/pinouts.pdf page 5
2018-08-21T17:37:51 < catphish> that's the one
2018-08-21T17:40:11 < kakimir> I have these adaptors
2018-08-21T17:40:22 < kakimir> db9 - rj45
2018-08-21T17:40:30 < kakimir> I just
2018-08-21T17:40:30 < catphish> yeah they're very common
2018-08-21T17:40:56 < kakimir> you can pin them however you want
2018-08-21T17:43:24 < dongs> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0799/0631/products/RJ45-DB9-F_1024x1024@2x.JPG?v=1465215214 you mean like this?
2018-08-21T17:43:36 < zyp> fuck that shit
2018-08-21T17:43:55 < zyp> I got a bag of those somewhere
2018-08-21T17:44:06 < dongs> wahts wrong with them
2018-08-21T17:44:09 < kakimir> that shit
2018-08-21T17:44:11 < dongs> arent they just unassembled DB9 pins
2018-08-21T17:44:39 < zyp> hmm
2018-08-21T17:44:59 < zyp> well, fuck DB9 then
2018-08-21T17:45:06 < dongs> no argument there
2018-08-21T17:45:28 < dongs> what about DB19?
2018-08-21T17:45:31 < dongs> truly autistic shit.
2018-08-21T17:46:17 < dongs> https://www.bigmessowires.com/2016/06/04/db-19-resurrecting-an-obsolete-connector/
2018-08-21T17:51:00 < catphish> DB19, what on earth is that connector :|
2018-08-21T17:51:08 < dongs> some amiga garbage
2018-08-21T17:51:14 < Laurenceb> am i bovvered?
2018-08-21T17:51:46 < catphish> that's like half way between DA15 and DB25
2018-08-21T17:51:58 < Laurenceb> DB19 is used for ECG stuff
2018-08-21T17:52:31 < catphish> proprietary nonsense :(
2018-08-21T17:53:14 < Laurenceb> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-45258651
2018-08-21T17:53:23 < Laurenceb> I find that "face" offensive
2018-08-21T17:53:51 < catphish> actually no, i take it back, DB-19 is a real standard
2018-08-21T17:54:44 < catphish> it just doesn't follow the normal pattern of case size
2018-08-21T18:00:07 < Laurenceb> I'm intolerant of ur intolerance of intolerance of intolerance of intolerant people
2018-08-21T18:00:38 < kakimir> where is my aten uc232a
2018-08-21T18:00:40 < catphish> i choose to tolerate your intolerance
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2018-08-21T18:14:47 < bitmask> hmm to work on capstone or AI
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2018-08-21T18:33:54 < dongs> what's modern SDR that isnt garbage, for rx only
2018-08-21T18:34:06 < dongs> DC-5-6ghz should be enough
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2018-08-21T18:34:09 < dongs> USB3 or someshit
2018-08-21T18:34:56 < dongs> haha all tehse fucking USRP B210 clones
2018-08-21T18:34:59 < dongs> on alibaba
2018-08-21T18:34:59 < BrainDamage> you'll need to give up the dc
2018-08-21T18:35:12 < dongs> well yeah
2018-08-21T18:35:21 < dongs> i mean something below the usual 70-6ghz thing
2018-08-21T18:36:24 < BrainDamage> pluto might work for you
2018-08-21T18:36:26 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_software-defined_radios
2018-08-21T18:36:41 < BrainDamage> careful that bw is important too
2018-08-21T18:37:15 < dongs> pluto? thats 325mhz
2018-08-21T18:37:16 < dongs> min
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2018-08-21T18:37:48 < BrainDamage> the chip is specced for 70-6 GHz
2018-08-21T18:37:56 < BrainDamage> and can reach that with a sw mod
2018-08-21T18:38:12 < BrainDamage> altough at the low end it might not behave the best
2018-08-21T18:38:14 < dongs> right, thats just usual luminarysdr or wahtever chipset
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2018-08-21T18:38:19 < dongs> that every nigger uses
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2018-08-21T18:38:37 < dongs> another words there's still no decent hardware
2018-08-21T18:38:40 < dongs> that isnt retardedly priced
2018-08-21T18:39:53 < BrainDamage> problem is that unless you can find a monolithical chip that does all the heavy lifting, it becomes a clusterfuck of RF design, chaining mixers, etc
2018-08-21T18:40:00 < BrainDamage> which raises the cost considerably
2018-08-21T18:40:46 < dongs> fucking opensores retards.
2018-08-21T18:40:52 < dongs> limiesdr mini looks ok but there's no buy it now button
2018-08-21T18:41:05 < dongs> also it has a tx which I will never need
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2018-08-21T18:41:31 < BrainDamage> it's not like having tx makes it toxic
2018-08-21T18:41:45 < BrainDamage> you just screw a 50Ohm terminator and forget that it exists
2018-08-21T18:41:46 < dongs> it doubles the price and makes it not legal to own in various places
2018-08-21T18:42:59 < BrainDamage> bleh, idiotic legislation, if you wanted to pollute the spectrum you could wire an antenna to siggen
2018-08-21T18:43:07 < BrainDamage> but those aren't regulated, unlike radios ...
2018-08-21T18:43:07 < dongs> or a VGA card
2018-08-21T18:44:33 < dongs> what the fuck is crowdsupply. 'add to cart' 'in stock'
2018-08-21T18:44:37 < dongs> is it an actual store that will deliver
2018-08-21T18:44:41 < dongs> looks liek a fucking dickstarter
2018-08-21T18:45:19 < dongs> haha only cc payment
2018-08-21T18:45:22 < dongs> well, page closed
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2018-08-21T18:50:41 < Steffann> Better try
2018-08-21T18:50:44 < Steffann> An open source, Arduino-compatible RF signal generator with Wi-Fi connectivity
2018-08-21T18:50:59 < Steffann> Aka ERASynth
2018-08-21T18:50:59 < dongs> haha
2018-08-21T18:51:00 < dongs> waht is that aids
2018-08-21T18:51:16 < Steffann> https://www.crowdsupply.com/era-instruments/erasynth 
2018-08-21T18:51:25 < dongs> $749
2018-08-21T18:51:27 < dongs> le fuck
2018-08-21T18:51:59 < dongs> haha esp1488 and retarduino on same board
2018-08-21T18:52:23 < dongs> that looks like jadew proj
2018-08-21T18:53:54 < Steffann> Nah this is a a Turk project
2018-08-21T18:56:44 < karlp> I like how englishman's deciding to b eocme a network operator.
2018-08-21T18:56:51 < karlp> most of us just use 4g outdoors....
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2018-08-21T19:02:03 < karlp> hrm, that pluto board is cheap as..
2018-08-21T19:02:07 < dongs> wghat?
2018-08-21T19:02:17 < dongs> fucking link to wahtever cuz the only pluto i saw on that list was some retarded shit
2018-08-21T19:02:21 < englishman> karlp: ?
2018-08-21T19:02:30 < englishman> there is 4g at the house but only on the roof
2018-08-21T19:02:54 < dongs> ADALM-PLUTO this ?
2018-08-21T19:03:08 < karlp> yeah
2018-08-21T19:03:17 < karlp> 100 bucks, subsidezzed by AD
2018-08-21T19:03:23 < englishman> while you're here karlp, how do two mqtt brokers talk to each other?
2018-08-21T19:03:29 < dongs> For a limited time: ADALM-PLUTO $99 Student Pricing. ... Software-Defined Radio Active Learning Module. ... Based on Analog Devices AD9363--Highly Integrated RF Agile Transceiver and Xilinx® Zynq Z-7010 FPGA.
2018-08-21T19:03:33 < dongs> oooh.
2018-08-21T19:03:41 < karlp> englishman: just like any other client.
2018-08-21T19:04:01 < karlp> some of them use an extra bit to help avoid loops
2018-08-21T19:04:16 < karlp> most of them call it bridging, but you're basically just listing topics to bridge out and in.
2018-08-21T19:04:16 < englishman> so any broker also has all the features of any client
2018-08-21T19:04:31 < englishman> ok, i didnt find this in any mqtt for dummies website
2018-08-21T19:04:43 < karlp> basically, yeah,
2018-08-21T19:04:54 < karlp> but not "any" broker, people do all sorts of crazy things
2018-08-21T19:04:59 < englishman> sigh
2018-08-21T19:05:11 < karlp> (any that you'd seriously considert support this)
2018-08-21T19:05:17 < englishman> right
2018-08-21T19:05:19 < englishman> thanks
2018-08-21T19:05:25 < catphish> dongs: i rather like my bladerf by the way
2018-08-21T19:05:44 < dongs> too expensive, too dickstartey
2018-08-21T19:05:48 < englishman> braderf is great
2018-08-21T19:05:51 < englishman> proper windows drivers
2018-08-21T19:05:53 < catphish> dongs: not a huge tunable range, but also not garbage, and doesn't cost the earth
2018-08-21T19:06:00 < karlp> you need to do a lot of the design yourself, there's no _protocol_ level things like, "split this topic into 5 streams to load balance" or anything.
2018-08-21T19:06:07 < englishman> none of this downloadopensoresshitfrom3rdpartysite500licenses shit
2018-08-21T19:06:28 < catphish> i have a bladerf and a hackrf, those are the only things i can compare, hackrf see garbage in comparison
2018-08-21T19:06:35 < englishman> it is
2018-08-21T19:06:38 < englishman> and, same
2018-08-21T19:06:49 < englishman> got the bladerf for $250 on sale or something
2018-08-21T19:06:52 < englishman> someone posted a deal in this chan
2018-08-21T19:07:05 < catphish> i mostly use it as a 40mhz spectrum analyzer
2018-08-21T19:07:20 < catphish> but i'm sure it has much more better uses
2018-08-21T19:07:32 < englishman> same
2018-08-21T19:07:37 < englishman> tho i used it to spoof gps a couple times
2018-08-21T19:07:43 < englishman> to QC check some gps
2018-08-21T19:07:48 < catphish> cool
2018-08-21T19:08:14 < catphish> i tried to use it to receive gps the other day, but couldn't get anything with my stock antenna
2018-08-21T19:08:16 < englishman> also effortless to use on windows
2018-08-21T19:08:41 < catphish> i only use linux, and the latest drivers work out of the box there too
2018-08-21T19:08:55 < englishman> but lunix doesnt have drivers
2018-08-21T19:09:28 < dongs> lunix drivers, haha
2018-08-21T19:10:22 < catphish> i should probably stop building radios for a while and spend some time with my wife
2018-08-21T19:11:25 < DanteA> Endless problem with wifes...
2018-08-21T19:12:03 < englishman> what good sdrs go to 6ghz?
2018-08-21T19:13:41 < englishman> pluto is up to 3.8 like bladerf
2018-08-21T19:13:55 < dongs> limeshit
2018-08-21T19:14:00 < dongs> but there's no fucking proper shop to buy it
2018-08-21T19:14:02 < englishman> i think lux has one
2018-08-21T19:14:04 < dongs> just some dickstarter scam
2018-08-21T19:14:36 < englishman> yes
2018-08-21T19:14:44 < englishman> well they just wanted to sell all the asics they bought
2018-08-21T19:15:17 < englishman> https://www.fabtolab.com/lime-sdr
2018-08-21T19:15:24 < englishman> Price: रo 36,445.00
2018-08-21T19:15:48 < englishman> Continuous frequency range: 100 kHz – 3.8 GHz
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2018-08-21T19:16:33 < englishman> LimeSDR Mini 10 MHz - 3.5 GHz
2018-08-21T19:16:36 < englishman> where did you see 6
2018-08-21T19:16:46 < dongs> oh oops
2018-08-21T19:16:58 < englishman> ettus i guess
2018-08-21T19:17:07 < englishman> they should have good windows support too
2018-08-21T19:17:12 < englishman> you dont have one already?
2018-08-21T19:20:00 < dongs> ettus is overpriced cashgrab
2018-08-21T19:20:06 < dongs> i don't want to support those jews
2018-08-21T19:20:14 < dongs> and no ettus shit only works with GNU/Radio
2018-08-21T19:20:16 < dongs> fuck that shit
2018-08-21T19:20:29 < englishman> wut
2018-08-21T19:20:54 < englishman> get a trash hackrf then
2018-08-21T19:20:59 < englishman> i guess they are the only ones that go to 6ghz
2018-08-21T19:21:21 < englishman> USRP Hardware Driver (UHD) API Documentation
2018-08-21T19:21:24 < BrainDamage> would you prefer to use matlab instead? or worse, labview?
2018-08-21T19:21:27 < englishman> surely it works with proper stuff
2018-08-21T19:21:42 < dongs> that was literally written to interface with gnuradio
2018-08-21T19:21:49 < dongs> i recall reading about it 5-6 years ago
2018-08-21T19:22:48 < englishman> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/cloned/32809842995.html
2018-08-21T19:22:49 < dongs> For a limited time: ADALM-PLUTO $99 Student Pricing.
2018-08-21T19:22:50 < dongs> Enter code: “amastudent” upon checkout.
2018-08-21T19:22:56 < dongs> will tehy check if im a student
2018-08-21T19:22:56 < englishman> $115
2018-08-21T19:23:13 < englishman> still no 6ghz
2018-08-21T19:23:54 < BrainDamage> 6GHz with sw mod
2018-08-21T19:23:59 < BrainDamage> the chip supports it
2018-08-21T19:24:10 < BrainDamage> mouser has pluto for 100 bucks no weird codes
2018-08-21T19:24:20 < dongs> sold
2018-08-21T19:24:26 < dongs> clicking mouser.com
2018-08-21T19:24:51 < englishman> not so fast
2018-08-21T19:24:57 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/tXDYd9U.png?1
2018-08-21T19:25:05 < dongs> haha
2018-08-21T19:25:24 < englishman> PAYING for lunix
2018-08-21T19:25:38 < englishman> isnt usb2 a little slow, too
2018-08-21T19:25:54 < BrainDamage> bw is 20MHz, it fits it ok
2018-08-21T19:26:05 < dongs> you mean just like in fuckrf1?
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2018-08-21T19:27:38 < englishman> idk, the blade is usb3, if it's only 20mhz like hackrf should be fine yea
2018-08-21T19:28:16 < dongs> christ. the software "mod" is literally connecting to embedded lunix
2018-08-21T19:28:17 < dongs> and changing shit
2018-08-21T19:28:28 < dongs> does it take like 20 mins to boot
2018-08-21T19:30:38 < Steffann> ofcourse.
2018-08-21T19:31:00 < Steffann> why the question
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2018-08-21T19:31:45 < dongs> Your Order Has Been Received
2018-08-21T19:31:58 < dongs> thanks guys.
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2018-08-21T19:32:17 < englishman> looks like a good unit
2018-08-21T19:32:19 < englishman> rip hackrf
2018-08-21T19:32:49 < dongs> https://github.com/Manawyrm/sdrsharp-plutosdr
2018-08-21T19:32:52 < dongs> works with sdr# too
2018-08-21T19:32:53 < dongs> cool
2018-08-21T19:34:46 < emeb> got one of those pluto things a while back
2018-08-21T19:34:51 < emeb> haven't actually used it tho
2018-08-21T19:34:53 < dongs> https://github.com/analogdevicesinc/plutosdr-fw looks like its in active development as well
2018-08-21T19:34:58 < dongs> > a day ago
2018-08-21T19:35:09 < dongs> but yeah looks like gross lunix shite
2018-08-21T19:35:11 < dongs> uboot, etc
2018-08-21T19:35:13 < dongs> ytuck
2018-08-21T19:35:14 < dongs> yuck
2018-08-21T19:35:16 < emeb> of course
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2018-08-21T19:35:36 < dongs> export VIVADO_SETTINGS=/opt/Xilinx/Vivado/2017.4/settings64.sh
2018-08-21T19:35:37 < dongs> ahahah
2018-08-21T19:35:38 < emeb> been working w/ that Xilinx Zynq stuff on the day job for the last year or so. 
2018-08-21T19:35:42 < dongs> i hope there's a fucking .zip i can just download
2018-08-21T19:35:59 < dongs> https://github.com/analogdevicesinc/plutosdr-fw/releases ah yea there is
2018-08-21T19:36:00 < dongs> ok
2018-08-21T19:36:09 < emeb> It's possible to program them w/ bare metal on the ARM side
2018-08-21T19:36:16 < dongs> sure
2018-08-21T19:36:34 < emeb> but then you have to give up all the standard libs & stuff that ADI puts out
2018-08-21T19:36:45 < emeb> which are all linux-only
2018-08-21T19:36:46 < dongs> adi? yo mean xilinx?
2018-08-21T19:36:51 < emeb> No
2018-08-21T19:36:55 < dongs> or the pluto shit
2018-08-21T19:37:07 < BrainDamage> you can reprogram the fgpa and run what you want, he said
2018-08-21T19:37:15 < emeb> ADI produces all the libs for talking to the RF stuff
2018-08-21T19:37:27 < dongs> yeah right, but fuck taht I just want something better than this fucking RT8238U 2mhz channel width thing
2018-08-21T19:37:37 < dongs> arent tehy all opensores?
2018-08-21T19:37:39 < dongs> the libs
2018-08-21T19:37:48 < emeb> Yeah - get 'em from github
2018-08-21T19:37:57 < emeb> and port to bare metal if you have time
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2018-08-21T19:38:17 < englishman> yep, sounds like lunix
2018-08-21T19:38:57 < emeb> Bare metal dev on zynq isn't too awful
2018-08-21T19:39:00 < BrainDamage> for 99.9% of the use cases, you don't have to touch the internal stuff
2018-08-21T19:39:23 < BrainDamage> if you just want to use the stuff as a spectrum monitor / radio, you can just use the builtin firmware
2018-08-21T19:39:37 < BrainDamage> the pc does the processing
2018-08-21T19:39:50 < dongs> yep
2018-08-21T19:41:36 < dongs> well thats en ough spending for today. gtx2080 and this sdr shite
2018-08-21T19:41:43 < dongs> bedtime
2018-08-21T19:42:27 < Steffanx> gtx2080 lol
2018-08-21T19:42:54 < dongs> rite? need more fps in minecraft
2018-08-21T19:43:27 < BrainDamage> is your home a proper japanese one lacking centralized heating and you compensate with gpus?
2018-08-21T19:44:07 < dongs> yes exactly
2018-08-21T19:44:25 < Steffanx> buttcoin mate.
2018-08-21T19:44:44 < englishman> paper walls are not good insulators
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2018-08-21T20:15:12 < mawk> http://nandgame.com/
2018-08-21T20:15:14 < mawk> everyone play this
2018-08-21T20:15:18 < mawk> it's an order
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2018-08-21T20:24:11 < karlp> aandrew: you're only using the ft2232 in FS mode with that schematic right?
2018-08-21T20:29:24 < BrainDamage> mawk: I'm not interested in having flashback of my univ courses
2018-08-21T20:30:04 < BrainDamage> and it doesn't even account for gate propagation delay or power dissipation like port switching probabily
2018-08-21T20:31:41 < Steffanx> ##partypoopers32 
2018-08-21T20:32:14 < Cracki> what's that do?
2018-08-21T20:32:21 < Cracki> build a circuit for a given truth table?
2018-08-21T20:32:35 < BrainDamage> yes
2018-08-21T20:32:41 < Cracki> dumb machines can do that, humans are too valuable for that
2018-08-21T20:33:20 < Cracki> quine mccluskey (?) diagram, disjunctive normal form, ...
2018-08-21T20:33:22 < BrainDamage> optimization of the basic blocks is still done by humans, eg multiple full adder architectures
2018-08-21T20:33:41 < karlp> so you _can_ program/jtag your fpga and the stm32, but not at fullll speed, and the usb-HS is for the stm32 right?
2018-08-21T20:33:43 < BrainDamage> but yes, no point to manually do the higher blocks manually
2018-08-21T20:35:31 < jpa-> optimizing combinatorial logic is easy, optimizing registers/pipelining not so much
2018-08-21T20:36:13 < Cracki> if all you have is vhdl/verilog code... yes
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2018-08-21T21:02:32 < mawk> it's not like that the entire game Cracki 
2018-08-21T21:02:35 < mawk> that's just the logic part
2018-08-21T21:02:44 < mawk> couple of levels
2018-08-21T21:06:45 < mawk> some levels are like that for instance: https://pix.watch/8Bz3UG/W9-izb.png
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2018-08-21T21:08:27 < Cracki> and no way to program/script that game...
2018-08-21T21:10:33 < mawk> maybe in the future
2018-08-21T21:10:39 < mawk> it's still in development
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2018-08-21T22:05:02 < cpctr> DB19
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2018-08-21T22:28:48 < cpctr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrv78nG9R04
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2018-08-21T22:44:24 < cpctr> stallman accidentally installs windows 10 https://youtu.be/jskq3-lpQnE?t=2m8s
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2018-08-21T22:45:16 < englishman> his absence is explained in episodes 65 and 66 of the efnet news
2018-08-21T22:45:36 < Steffanx> not sure if that is real englishman
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2018-08-21T22:46:13 < englishman> the efnet news network is the #1 source of irc related news
2018-08-21T22:46:30 < Steffanx> i cannot handle 40 minutes times two of that crap 
2018-08-21T22:46:45 < BrainDamage> why would possibly anyone want to have irc news is another topic though
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2018-08-21T22:47:22 < cpctr> where is ReadError 
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2018-08-21T22:52:12 < cpctr> hi friends
2018-08-21T22:55:04 < Steffanx> oh i see, ReadError got himself a ReadError-gate. Excellent.
2018-08-21T22:55:42 < cpctr> idkwtf it means
2018-08-21T22:55:55 < Steffanx> oh just looked up the efnet news, watched 2 seconds
2018-08-21T22:55:57 < Steffanx> and knew enough
2018-08-21T22:55:57 < cpctr> can't be bothered watching an hour of ENN to find out more
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2018-08-21T23:02:03 < Steffanx> i dont believe you cpctr. You watch that crap
2018-08-21T23:03:33 < cpctr> the new steffan
2018-08-21T23:03:57 < Steffanx> Do you prefer new or old Steffan?
2018-08-21T23:07:56 < bitmask> wtf is going on 
2018-08-21T23:08:29 < Steffanx> idk.
2018-08-21T23:08:33 < Steffanx> Madness kicked in
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2018-08-21T23:13:33 < Steffanx> welcome ReadError__
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2018-08-21T23:36:45 < bitmask> I'm doing logic homework for AI and instead of writing student I wrote stupid
2018-08-21T23:37:31 < Steffanx> it is known
2018-08-21T23:49:41 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/gallery/hxuhOcr
2018-08-21T23:50:42 < Thorn> kitteh for mr. englishman https://www.instagram.com/p/BmvsEB-ANSP/
2018-08-21T23:51:01 < englishman> ty
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2018-08-21T23:51:26 < Laurenceb__> lol my neighbours are getting raided by drugs squad
2018-08-21T23:55:40 < aandrew> I see you live in a nice neighbourhood
2018-08-21T23:56:57 < Laurenceb__> my other neighbour informed the police because they wouldnt repay the £5k she lent them to upgrade their lab
2018-08-21T23:57:12 < Laurenceb__> looks like she trolled them epic style
2018-08-21T23:57:44 < englishman> more cheap properties for laurent to acquire
2018-08-21T23:58:08 < Laurenceb__> >literally everyone on the street knows there is a drugs lab in the house
2018-08-21T23:58:13 < englishman> donald j blaxter
2018-08-21T23:58:20 < Laurenceb__> worlds least covert drugdealer
2018-08-21T23:59:10 < Laurenceb__> he makes meth and M Kat and other spice type shit
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2018-08-22T00:00:13 < Laurenceb__> time for him to talk to Frank
2018-08-22T00:00:35 < Steffanx> And you still think blaxter is a rich guy englishman ?
2018-08-22T00:00:54 < Laurenceb__> kek > https://www.talktofrank.com
2018-08-22T00:01:02 < englishman> owns 60% of liverpool
2018-08-22T00:01:07 < englishman> never worked a day in his life
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2018-08-22T00:09:43 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/hgdgih1tt/
2018-08-22T00:11:41 < Steffanx> Might be real. The person is taking some time away from twitter. Lol
2018-08-22T00:12:15 < englishman> lol homer
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2018-08-22T00:15:56 < Laurenceb__> tfw https://postimg.cc/image/5fs0hsk5d/
2018-08-22T00:16:50 < Laurenceb__> >Daniel Radcliffe has hit hard times since Harry Potter ended
2018-08-22T00:18:36 < Steffanx> Dear Laurenceb, did you know no one is actually interested?
2018-08-22T00:18:45 < Steffanx> Just lettin' ya know
2018-08-22T00:19:57 < Laurenceb__> https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/21/three-farmers-had-sex-with-horses-dogs-a-cow-and-a-goat-in-specially-built-pen-7868115/
2018-08-22T00:20:04 < Laurenceb__> Steffanx news
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2018-08-22T00:45:48 < Cracki> at least it's goats and not children
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2018-08-22T01:00:17 < cpctr> Lol Laurenceb__
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2018-08-22T01:07:32 < cpctr> A trio of irc operators
2018-08-22T01:09:09 < catphish> today i learned input voltage offset means you can't just connect an antenna to an opamp and expect an output, the error in the amplifier (about 1mV) far exceeeds the signal from the antenna :(
2018-08-22T01:11:35 < cpctr> You had me at connecting an antenna to an op amp
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2018-08-22T01:16:26 < Laurenceb__> holy sheeet
2018-08-22T01:16:40 < Laurenceb__> madman at wurk is actually coding a multiphysics Aushwitz
2018-08-22T01:18:47 < cpctr> Cool man
2018-08-22T01:18:54 < cpctr> So it’s reopening
2018-08-22T01:18:59 < Laurenceb__> CFD incinerators
2018-08-22T01:19:08 < cpctr> Glad people came to their senses
2018-08-22T01:19:32 < cpctr> Now it’s time to put those kikes in the oven
2018-08-22T01:19:50 < cpctr> Did you know weev is a Jew?
2018-08-22T01:20:37 < Laurenceb__> >being this new
2018-08-22T01:21:03 < cpctr> Welcome
2018-08-22T01:21:18 < Laurenceb__> did you know dongs is weev?
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2018-08-22T01:25:11 < cpctr> Yeah
2018-08-22T01:25:15 < cpctr> Of course
2018-08-22T01:25:31 < cpctr> Such a pro ircing from jail
2018-08-22T01:27:35 < cpctr> Did I tell you about my introduction to dongs?
2018-08-22T01:29:08 < BrainDamage> catphish: offset is dc and can be trimmed
2018-08-22T01:29:30 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLaScYB0-E4
2018-08-22T01:29:40 < Laurenceb__> Nottingham news
2018-08-22T01:29:50 < catphish> BrainDamage: i believe you're correct, haven't looked into how yet, or whether there's a better option
2018-08-22T01:29:56 < Laurenceb__> catphish: with crystal in feedback path, DC gain should be unity
2018-08-22T01:30:06 < cpctr> Executive summary of the video please?
2018-08-22T01:30:08 < BrainDamage> catphish: as long as you don't do something dumb like inf gain at dc, offset won't concern you
2018-08-22T01:30:38 < Laurenceb__> cpctr: the pastry-archy
2018-08-22T01:30:46 < BrainDamage> more conerning for you is to not throw the opamp into instability
2018-08-22T01:30:47 < cpctr> Hah cool
2018-08-22T01:31:12 < BrainDamage> and maybe noise
2018-08-22T01:31:20 < cpctr> I was picturing an op amp at 2.4ghz then my head fell off
2018-08-22T01:32:02 < Laurenceb__> oh wow, madman is using a Titan X gpu
2018-08-22T01:32:05 < BrainDamage> if you use the opamp in the feedback path though, your effective bandwith is tiny, so will be integrated noise
2018-08-22T01:32:12 < Laurenceb__> we get to watch the burnings in high def
2018-08-22T01:32:29 < cpctr> What is titan X
2018-08-22T01:32:37 < catphish> BrainDamage: i fear i'm a couple of steps behind everyone else :) i may just have too much gain
2018-08-22T01:32:51 < Laurenceb__> cpctr: crazy high spec graphics card
2018-08-22T01:33:08 < catphish> but i may also be going about trying to amplify tiny signals in the wrong way entirely
2018-08-22T01:33:12 < Laurenceb__> cpctr: atm he is busy with the internal structure of the sim-jews
2018-08-22T01:33:32 < BrainDamage> how much is your gain?
2018-08-22T01:34:12 < Laurenceb__> apparently they layered them according to 3 body fat % categories then they went 1,2,3,1,2,3 into the incinerators
2018-08-22T01:34:50 < catphish> BrainDamage: well as of right now, i've only tried with an infinite (100,000x gain) and i just get a huge amplification of the dc error
2018-08-22T01:34:52 < Laurenceb__> ywlts "how the holocaust worked" book
2018-08-22T01:35:34 < BrainDamage> catphish: that's why you put the xtal in the feedback network, so that it's an open circuit at freq that's not resonance, which sets the gain to 1
2018-08-22T01:35:48 < Laurenceb__> >how mythbusters went to prison in germany
2018-08-22T01:36:52 < catphish> BrainDamage: oh, that suddenly makes sense, i'll wait til i have the crystal and try again
2018-08-22T01:37:17 < cpctr> Lol
2018-08-22T01:37:20 < catphish> the crystal will kill the gain at DC, and most other frequencies by peoviding open circuit to ground
2018-08-22T01:37:23 < cpctr> Ty dr b
2018-08-22T01:37:38 < Cracki> I would like to request results of that multiphysics simulation... does it include the lice and typhus?
2018-08-22T01:37:39 < BrainDamage> catphish: you can also get a rough effect adding caps in the network
2018-08-22T01:37:44 < catphish> i was thinking i could just test amplifying noise until i had the crystal
2018-08-22T01:37:54 < BrainDamage> to act as highpass/lowpass
2018-08-22T01:37:56 < catphish> but the dc broke it
2018-08-22T01:38:18 < Laurenceb__> til DCF77 uses psk with prn
2018-08-22T01:38:22 < catphish> yeah a high pass would work to remove the dc
2018-08-22T01:38:30 < BrainDamage> nobody uses the psk signal
2018-08-22T01:38:30 < Laurenceb__> it'd be interesting to do second alignment using that
2018-08-22T01:38:47 < BrainDamage> it was added to increase accuracy, but if you care about that, you wouldn't use dcf
2018-08-22T01:39:06 < Laurenceb__> should be pretty accurate
2018-08-22T01:39:15 < catphish> in theory you could align using the carrier and not use anything else
2018-08-22T01:39:18 < Laurenceb__> we looked at using it for balloon navigation
2018-08-22T01:39:28 < BrainDamage> what do you mean with accurate
2018-08-22T01:39:33 < Laurenceb__> but sirf can do 500µA
2018-08-22T01:39:37 < BrainDamage> how do you compensate for atmospherica variation for instance
2018-08-22T01:39:58 < BrainDamage> eg daytime / nighttime path changes considerably
2018-08-22T01:40:10 < BrainDamage> propagation switches from groundwave to skywave
2018-08-22T01:40:40 < Laurenceb__> http://www.simonsdialogs.com/2016/08/dcf77-vs-gps-time-comparison-not-a-lot-of-uncertainty/
2018-08-22T01:41:23 < catphish> MSF carrrier is accurate to 2 parts per trillion which is cool
2018-08-22T01:41:29 < BrainDamage> >dominated by the propagation of the DCF77 signal more then anything else
2018-08-22T01:41:30 < catphish> i'm not sure if this is useful
2018-08-22T01:41:54 < BrainDamage> catphish: the carriers are super-stable, but the time it takes to get there isn't constant
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2018-08-22T01:42:25 < catphish> time it takes to get there?
2018-08-22T01:42:42 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb__: he's also right next to it, 70 miles on a groundwave ...
2018-08-22T01:43:03 < Laurenceb__> yeah somewhere I found a more useful benchmark
2018-08-22T01:43:04 < BrainDamage> catphish: signals don't magically appear at your antenna, they have to propagate through space
2018-08-22T01:43:11 < karlp> wat?
2018-08-22T01:43:13 < karlp> but....
2018-08-22T01:43:25 < karlp> you mean....
2018-08-22T01:43:31 < catphish> BrainDamage: i though you meant that, but why does that matter?
2018-08-22T01:43:53 < BrainDamage> catphish: because if the propagation delay continues to change, it's equivalent to an error in your clock
2018-08-22T01:43:58 < karlp> you're trying to do time sync right?
2018-08-22T01:44:10 < catphish> me, yes, just a simple RTC correction
2018-08-22T01:45:03 < catphish> BrainDamage: but it can't continue to change can it, unless you're leaving the solar system?
2018-08-22T01:45:30 < BrainDamage> that sentence makes no sense to me, please rephrase
2018-08-22T01:45:34 < catphish> the delay is fixed as long as you're stationary
2018-08-22T01:45:41 < BrainDamage> it's not fixed
2018-08-22T01:45:48 < BrainDamage> the atmosphere is not a static entity
2018-08-22T01:45:53 < catphish> oh i see
2018-08-22T01:46:22 < BrainDamage> worse, skywaves are signals reflected off the ionosphere
2018-08-22T01:46:25 < catphish> won't errors ultimately be a zero sum though?
2018-08-22T01:46:38 < BrainDamage> no, the integral effect on a clock is not 0
2018-08-22T01:46:52 < BrainDamage> see phase noise, cyclostationary solutions, and the self-clocking problem
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2018-08-22T01:46:59 < catphish> well that's handy to know
2018-08-22T01:47:30 < BrainDamage> and since you're there, allan variance might interest you too
2018-08-22T01:47:34 < catphish> i won't be relying on the carrier though, not worth the hassle, especially as it's off sometimes :)
2018-08-22T01:48:01 < Laurenceb__> http://jmfriedt.free.fr/dcf77.pdf
2018-08-22T01:48:08 < Laurenceb__> v nice, using PSK too
2018-08-22T01:48:28 < catphish> BrainDamage: honestly, i'm about a year of learning away from "there" but thanks for the correction
2018-08-22T01:49:26 < catphish> people do some cool things with RF :)
2018-08-22T01:49:47 < catphish> and i just want to know the time
2018-08-22T01:50:31 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb__: yup, nice, but it still confirms what I said, page 5, > when l.f. waves are propagated to greater distances ( about 200km the sky wave predominates )
2018-08-22T01:50:40 < BrainDamage> they have to be able to measure both for their system
2018-08-22T01:51:09 < Cracki> you could use a waterfall and a microwave array to vaporize the falling water in the shape of a clock
2018-08-22T01:51:19 < BrainDamage> I'm about 200km with the alps inbetween, so I get most variability about ground wave quality
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2018-08-22T01:53:15 < BrainDamage> damn, the combo gps & dcf receiver with the botched dongle is super neat
2018-08-22T01:55:10 < BrainDamage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J8GBH6aiRc
2018-08-22T01:57:16 < catphish> Laurenceb__: just roughly simulated with a capacitor in the op amp feedback and a voltage offset and it appears to work: http://tinyurl.com/ybjtayjz thanks!
2018-08-22T01:57:35 < catphish> i'll build this tomorrow, hopefully with a crystal
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2018-08-22T01:58:27 < catphish> unfortunately falstad doesn't understand imperfect components, i should probably spice things properly
2018-08-22T01:58:46 < cpctr> The models
2018-08-22T01:58:55 < catphish> hope my questions aren't excessively annoying, i feel like i'm getting there
2018-08-22T01:59:29 < cpctr> Questions are good
2018-08-22T01:59:45 < cpctr> I don’t ask enough of them
2018-08-22T02:02:48 < Laurenceb__> so within 100µs most of the time
2018-08-22T02:03:44 < Laurenceb__> heh thats the spec for muh sensors
2018-08-22T02:03:55 < Laurenceb__> I should use DCF77 in each transducer
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2018-08-22T02:07:33 < Laurenceb__> anyone used the cmsis-dsp fft?
2018-08-22T02:07:51  * Laurenceb__ was wondering about using it on L0 to align to 1pps prn signal
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2018-08-22T02:14:05 < Cracki> fourier transform? for alignment?
2018-08-22T02:14:15 < Cracki> want to do some correlation or what
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2018-08-22T02:18:20 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2018-08-22T02:18:31 < Laurenceb__> kneel for ur anthem muricans
2018-08-22T02:18:47 < Laurenceb__> AMERICA FIRST, its A M E R I C A F I R S T
2018-08-22T02:19:11 < Laurenceb__> wew
2018-08-22T02:19:16 < Laurenceb__>  "Trump dig coal"
2018-08-22T02:19:29 < Laurenceb__> not sure who is trolling who at the Trump rally
2018-08-22T02:19:48 < Laurenceb__> inb4 "Trump is an oilman"
2018-08-22T02:20:26 < Laurenceb__> dig the coal, pay the troll
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2018-08-22T02:24:44 < Laurenceb__> and I'd just like to say thankyou very much
2018-08-22T02:24:54 < Laurenceb__> and remember, AMERICA FIRST
2018-08-22T02:25:20 < Laurenceb__> kneel for our wonderful, wonderful national anthem
2018-08-22T02:25:59 < Laurenceb__> lul bbc have stopped the live stream cuz its so lame
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2018-08-22T02:34:44 < kakimir> bbc is leftist anyway
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2018-08-22T02:38:56 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z15lJR79pTg reminds me of this album
2018-08-22T02:39:04 < kakimir> word "leftist"
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2018-08-22T02:48:59 < catphish> Laurenceb__: do you know if i want any particular type of op amp for this application? or does it make little difference at this frequency?
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2018-08-22T02:51:06 < catphish> actually i think ultimately, power draw will be what matters
2018-08-22T02:52:31 < Cracki> all I know about opamps is that "gain-bandwidth-product" is relevant
2018-08-22T02:53:33 < Cracki> https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1276286
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2018-08-22T02:58:19 < catphish> ah, they have nice charts of gain vs frequency
2018-08-22T03:00:02 < catphish> only about 100x gain at 60khz for the common parts
2018-08-22T03:15:43 < Cracki> that's 6 MHz at unity
2018-08-22T03:15:58 < Cracki> yeah that sounds like a normal opamp
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2018-08-22T03:24:34 < catphish> that's just what i have in my drawer :)
2018-08-22T03:25:13 < catphish> i'll have to see how much gain i actually need, and how much i can use before noise makes it unrealistic
2018-08-22T03:28:41 < bitmask> well shit, one class down, so long AI
2018-08-22T03:29:24 < Cracki> wut
2018-08-22T03:30:10 < bitmask> I'm taking my last 3 courses, semester ends on sunday, just submitted the final project for my AI course
2018-08-22T03:32:39 < catphish> cool :)
2018-08-22T03:36:03 < Laurenceb__> yeah gain bandwidth and current consumption
2018-08-22T03:36:17 < Laurenceb__> also voltage/current input noise, but that might not be a big issue
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2018-08-22T04:32:32 < _unreal_> hello
2018-08-22T04:32:53 < _unreal_> anyone done any CNC work with an STM32F4 DISCOVERY?
2018-08-22T04:34:40 < Cracki> what, do you want to mill its case off?
2018-08-22T04:35:08 < Cracki> nvm, a discovery, not a plain controller :P
2018-08-22T04:35:15 < ds2> ceramic version to use as tooling for a CNC shaper? ;)
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2018-08-22T04:37:12 < ds2> what kind of machine?
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2018-08-22T04:58:45 < _unreal_> hi sorry dealing with someone in an other channel. asking TOTALY stupid questions about linuxcnc and being pissed off because I cant answer his Q.... that does not make any sense... AN xy/xy DUAL xy plotter
2018-08-22T04:58:50 < _unreal_> moving gantry
2018-08-22T04:58:51 < _unreal_> hehehe
2018-08-22T04:58:58 < _unreal_> on a flexable machine
2018-08-22T04:58:59 < _unreal_> wtf
2018-08-22T04:59:09 < _unreal_> I wish I was kidding
2018-08-22T05:00:08 < _unreal_> if any one wants a really.......! good laugh I can MSG the log
2018-08-22T05:02:46 < _unreal_> Cracki, ds2 I wish I could find CODE for the stm32f4 That was a pulse generator. like the arduino setups That could also work as an OFFLINE system meaning the computer is not running BUT. a pendent could be plugged in with a rotory encoder 100ppr approx and a few buttons and an LCD 4x40 ish... to give basic XYZ location and basic movement functions....
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2018-08-22T05:03:31 < Cracki> uh
2018-08-22T05:03:39 < Cracki> stm32 have timers just like avrs
2018-08-22T05:03:43 < _unreal_> am I stupid or is this guy talking nonsense? <XXXX> _unreal_: you're a marine engineer, right? so try to imagine someone asked you to draw a sine wave - 2m in amplitude, 4m period - with a stick on water, while you're standing at the stern of a 80000 DWT tanker. you're holding the stick in your hands, it's long enough to reach the water. would you rather try to get the whole tanker to strafe left and right by 2m as it's moving
2018-08-22T05:03:43 < _unreal_>  forward, or just let the
2018-08-22T05:03:55 < Cracki> their relevant capabilities are even named the same: "output compare"
2018-08-22T05:04:05 < Cracki> that's how you generate "pwm" with fixed width, variable interval
2018-08-22T05:04:33 < Cracki> ah he talks about inertia
2018-08-22T05:04:46 < Cracki> so... it's the former :P
2018-08-22T05:05:16 < _unreal_> I was saying he wants to build a DUAL Xy/xyZ machine
2018-08-22T05:05:23 < Cracki> wats dat
2018-08-22T05:05:23 < _unreal_> and the machine is flex able
2018-08-22T05:05:35 < Cracki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2018-08-22T05:05:37 < _unreal_> he WAS SAYING
2018-08-22T05:05:55 < _unreal_> I have the logs its totally confusing.....
2018-08-22T05:06:14 < Cracki> talk is cheap, let him do it
2018-08-22T05:06:31 < _unreal_> and asking about linuxcnc ablity. I told him look linuxcnc can be scripted on top of its basic design features......
2018-08-22T05:06:40 < _unreal_> ya I'm not asnwering any more
2018-08-22T05:07:10 < dongs> fuck man these dickstarter cunts are beyond clueless
2018-08-22T05:07:28 < _unreal_> leth> _unreal_: this is about doing fast moves on a heavy or wobbly machine, by being able to move the tool itself relative to the toolhead, separately from the machine's "regular" axes, with a very limited range of motion but at a potentially much higher speed than the "regular" axes can do
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2018-08-22T05:08:04 < _unreal_> am I reading that wrong or WTF..........
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2018-08-22T05:08:30 < _unreal_> Cracki, leth> _unreal_: this is about doing fast moves on a heavy or wobbly machine, by being able to move the tool itself relative to the toolhead, separately from the machine's "regular" axes, with a very limited range of motion but at a potentially much higher speed than the "regular" axes can do
2018-08-22T05:08:42 < Cracki> interesting
2018-08-22T05:08:47 < _unreal_> ya................
2018-08-22T05:08:50 < Cracki> I wonder what kinda size he imagines
2018-08-22T05:09:00 < dongs> we have a hardware timer running at 1mhz with 1000 period so the duty is 0..1000, 1us steps. the shithead originally had this firmware written for retarduino with 12bit pwm or wahtever, so the range was 0..4095. my driver has just scaled it down 0.1000 anyway. so few months back I went and removed 4095 scaling and updated all code using it to do 0..1000 because why the fuck do extra calcs. last night 
2018-08-22T05:09:01 < Cracki> would be useful for a garage-size printer
2018-08-22T05:09:02 < _unreal_> gets better
2018-08-22T05:09:06 < dongs> shithead went ahead and reverted that change claiming "4095 version ran smoother"
2018-08-22T05:09:09 < dongs> fucking hell
2018-08-22T05:09:23 < Cracki> sorry but what is this talk of "periods"
2018-08-22T05:09:42 < Cracki> you don't drive steppers by pulse *width*, but by pulses in varying *intervals*
2018-08-22T05:09:45 < _unreal_> Cracki, can I send you MSG
2018-08-22T05:09:48 < Cracki> no thx
2018-08-22T05:09:49 < _unreal_> kind of msg flood but its the log
2018-08-22T05:09:53 < Cracki> don't wanna get involved
2018-08-22T05:09:56 < _unreal_> farkk..... its funny
2018-08-22T05:09:57 < dongs> unreal autism
2018-08-22T05:10:01 < _unreal_> LOL
2018-08-22T05:10:13 < Cracki> if you are so anxious to share it, use a pastebin
2018-08-22T05:10:18 < _unreal_> dongs, you want to seee?
2018-08-22T05:10:21 < dongs> no
2018-08-22T05:10:24 < _unreal_> lol
2018-08-22T05:10:25 < dongs> i dont give a shit about 3d printers
2018-08-22T05:10:26 < _unreal_> hum
2018-08-22T05:10:27 < dongs> or autism
2018-08-22T05:10:33 < dongs> so like... no i don't
2018-08-22T05:10:39 < Cracki> you know... with an avr, you can get creative and get arbitrarily long intervals out of it
2018-08-22T05:10:42 < dongs> just /ignore teh guy or /part the channel youre in and move on
2018-08-22T05:10:45 < Cracki> just gotta twiddle the COM bits
2018-08-22T05:10:46 < _unreal_> dongs, cncmachine QUOTE un QUOTE
2018-08-22T05:10:58 < Cracki> "un"
2018-08-22T05:11:17 < Cracki> you realize that right now you're a lot more lolzy than the dude you describe?
2018-08-22T05:11:57 < _unreal_> https://pastebin.com/NgtZDLZN
2018-08-22T05:12:14 < _unreal_> I could be
2018-08-22T05:12:53 < Cracki> he doesn't need to touch linuxcnc
2018-08-22T05:13:21 < Cracki> he needs to write custom firmware that takes gcode and controls the double axes as he sees fit
2018-08-22T05:13:32 < _unreal_> Cracki, i SAID THAT!!!
2018-08-22T05:13:46 < _unreal_> its in the log
2018-08-22T05:13:58 < Cracki> as if I would read all that
2018-08-22T05:14:03 < _unreal_> :)
2018-08-22T05:14:06 < dongs> guys, life pro tip
2018-08-22T05:14:10 < ds2> arduino is C++ so...
2018-08-22T05:14:13 < dongs> whatever the question is, lunix is never the right answer
2018-08-22T05:14:17 < dongs> thank you
2018-08-22T05:14:32 < Cracki> ^
2018-08-22T05:14:35 < BrainDamage> what if the question is whenever you should delete lunix from the hard disk
2018-08-22T05:14:39 < ds2> those atmel controllers have limited kinetics
2018-08-22T05:15:01 < Cracki> your lack of imagination amuses me
2018-08-22T05:15:38 < _unreal_> <_unreal_> if you feel that the lincnc is not capable then you need to take it to a hardware level abstraction layer and use a micro controller to preform automated functions
2018-08-22T05:15:47 < dongs> BrainDamage: with my pro-tip you'd never be in that situation in the first place
2018-08-22T05:15:50 < Cracki> PERform pls
2018-08-22T05:16:35 < _unreal_> Cracki, am I worng ?
2018-08-22T05:16:47 < Cracki> you are incoherent
2018-08-22T05:17:10 < Cracki> take a breath. and another. take the dog for a walk, if you have one.
2018-08-22T05:17:18 < _unreal_> did
2018-08-22T05:17:28 < _unreal_> its 14 and walking into things
2018-08-22T05:17:39 < _unreal_> I wish I was kidding :)
2018-08-22T05:17:50 < _unreal_> poor dog
2018-08-22T05:17:52 < Cracki> carry it then
2018-08-22T05:18:07 < _unreal_> to big 60 lbs
2018-08-22T05:18:58 < Cracki> piggyback
2018-08-22T05:19:23 < _unreal_> ok so simple question. is this guy ASKING a lagitimit question that you guys understand or is he as dongs put it autistic?
2018-08-22T05:20:05 < Cracki> it's a bit experimental, but I see what he means
2018-08-22T05:21:40 < _unreal_> OMG now he's talking about backlash
2018-08-22T05:21:57 < _unreal_> I already said that to him and he said NO I'm worng WTF... 
2018-08-22T05:22:12 < _unreal_> I'm done... this guy in the other channel is full of it
2018-08-22T05:22:40 < _unreal_> so as I was saying..... the stm32f4 discovery...... I'm working on building a new cnc machine for work. and a thing I'd love
2018-08-22T05:22:42 < Cracki> it's like communism. good idea in theory, but praxis is literally genocide.
2018-08-22T05:23:44 < _unreal_> is to to setup a pulse generator controller that can work in a headless/offline mode. have the  PENDENT plugged into it and be able to to manual ly jog the machine
2018-08-22T05:24:34 < _unreal_> My thoughts are. to have 2 levels of control on the machine. One is basic using the manual jogging to mill fiberglass boards, wood etc.. and the other is with the computer booted for higher level and automation
2018-08-22T05:24:34 < Cracki> so... stepdir, yes?
2018-08-22T05:24:38 < _unreal_> yes
2018-08-22T05:25:50 < _unreal_> I have not found many examples of what I'm looking for regardless of controller.... I dont know if this is google " " driving me to spend money on a pre built setup or they just dont exist in the open forum?
2018-08-22T05:26:13 < _unreal_> AGAIN regardless of controller, stm, arduino, bee... shield etc....
2018-08-22T05:26:25 < Cracki> you program it
2018-08-22T05:26:58 < Cracki> there are tons of 3d printer and cnc firmware out there
2018-08-22T05:27:19 < Cracki> just pick one. your use case sounds like standard shit
2018-08-22T05:27:37 < Cracki> except for the jog wheel, but that you can emulate by sending tiny gcode movements in realtime
2018-08-22T05:27:51 < Cracki> or extend the firmware of your choice
2018-08-22T05:28:04 < _unreal_> I've found plany of high level drivers meaning require computer control but nonthing that has a pendet plugged into the controller for posistion feed back
2018-08-22T05:28:15 < Cracki> what's a pendet?
2018-08-22T05:28:19 < Cracki> do you mean a usb drive?
2018-08-22T05:28:22 < Cracki> or sd card?
2018-08-22T05:28:27 < _unreal_> depending on $$ I'd be willing to pay to have someone generate the code
2018-08-22T05:28:39 < _unreal_> Cracki, one sec
2018-08-22T05:28:45 < Cracki> ah, "pendant" meaning handheld control device
2018-08-22T05:29:05 < Cracki> call kuka robotics, they can sell you pendants
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2018-08-22T05:29:13 < Cracki> you can't pay for that much code
2018-08-22T05:29:23 < Cracki> you aren't willing to pay someone for a month of full time work
2018-08-22T05:29:28 < Cracki> are you?
2018-08-22T05:29:56 < _unreal_> example https://www.amazon.com/Upgrade-3018-Engraver-Controller-Extension/dp/B07DXMFY38
2018-08-22T05:30:26 < Cracki> you mean that whole thing or the tiny friggen d-pad?
2018-08-22T05:30:38 < _unreal_> Cracki, I can get a pendent for $50 its the offline controller that I want
2018-08-22T05:30:52 < _unreal_> the controller the Dpad is plugged into
2018-08-22T05:31:03 < _unreal_> that one is running on grbl
2018-08-22T05:31:14 < Cracki> see! grbl! use that
2018-08-22T05:32:06 < _unreal_> si!
2018-08-22T05:32:42 < _unreal_> I live in south florida. where over run with mexicans 
2018-08-22T05:32:49 < _unreal_> BADDLY
2018-08-22T05:33:40 < Cracki> build the wall deport them all
2018-08-22T05:33:46 < _unreal_> I ! YES
2018-08-22T05:33:55 < _unreal_> My got YES!!! 
2018-08-22T05:33:58 < _unreal_> god
2018-08-22T05:34:12 < Cracki> it's like... whites can make burritos just as well, we're all equal riiiight???
2018-08-22T05:35:05 < _unreal_> I semi.... speak spanish and I hear them gloating all the time about "" people or friends "" that just made the RUN as they call it. texas/cali
2018-08-22T05:35:24 < _unreal_> all the time
2018-08-22T05:35:53 < _unreal_> something like 1k a day make it in
2018-08-22T05:36:32 < Cracki> let me tell you, it was not the *chinese* behind alex jones' deplatforming
2018-08-22T05:37:13 < _unreal_> OH.... Cracki we have a few PR puerto rico guys..... every one of them so far has had there identify stolen
2018-08-22T05:38:37 < _unreal_> one of them.... its kind of funny well yes/no he has a felony charge... the guy who stole his identify got picked up for someting becasuse of it LOL
2018-08-22T05:38:39 < _unreal_> hehehehee
2018-08-22T05:39:10 < _unreal_> and the EMPLOYEE found out because of it......
2018-08-22T05:40:11 < Cracki> kek
2018-08-22T05:41:15 < _unreal_> My ablity is low level when it comes to programming... how much trouble is it to convert code for arduino to stm?
2018-08-22T05:42:14 < Cracki> zero, if you use arduino for stm32
2018-08-22T05:42:17 < Cracki> almost
2018-08-22T05:46:06 < _unreal_> hum
2018-08-22T05:47:18 < _unreal_> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-CNC-Hat-V2-60-GRBL-v1-1-Compatible-Extra-Options/272596155477?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3Da3ca0ab1dae9419090eaa51036c8c1c4%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D272596155477%26itm%3D272596155477&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A9ecc902a-a5b5-11e8-940d-74dbd180c00b%7Cparentrq%3A5f870bea1650aade563224b1ff
2018-08-22T05:47:18 < _unreal_> fec749%7Ciid%3A1
2018-08-22T05:47:33 < englishman> unreal link
2018-08-22T05:48:11 < _unreal_> sorry thats the link I should have posted https://blog.protoneer.co.nz/raspberry-pi-cnc-board-hat/
2018-08-22T05:48:31 < dongs> rageberrypi autism is fucking unreal
2018-08-22T05:48:49 < _unreal_> first link is the right board second link is the manufacture
2018-08-22T05:49:04 < cpctr> God damn I wish I had a pocket pussy
2018-08-22T05:49:20 < _unreal_> cpctr, you and me both
2018-08-22T05:49:28 < _unreal_> full time single parent here
2018-08-22T05:51:16 < _unreal_> My Xwife never takes are precious
2018-08-22T05:51:56 < Cracki> when I see these serious terminal blocks and those flimsy driver boards and those headers that have almost no interface area to conduct current...
2018-08-22T05:52:21 < _unreal_> hear it comes.....
2018-08-22T05:52:36 < Cracki> that's what your wife said!
2018-08-22T05:52:50 < dongs> Cracki: no doube made on halfoz chink pcb as well
2018-08-22T05:53:02 < dongs> BUT MUH RASPBERRY
2018-08-22T05:53:16  * _unreal_ is pointing finger and monitor and saying YOU.... you..... ohh..... you.......
2018-08-22T05:53:18 < Cracki> halfoz oh boy
2018-08-22T05:53:44 < dongs> oh fuck i just noticed tehres a retarduino nano on there
2018-08-22T05:53:46 < dongs> fucking why????
2018-08-22T05:53:55 < dongs> is that waht PWMs the shit?
2018-08-22T05:54:03 < Cracki> because the raspi can't be trusted to generate pulses with any kind of realtime guarantee
2018-08-22T05:54:15 < _unreal_> dongs, ? NO  step/dir phase control
2018-08-22T05:54:18 < dongs> oh so basically lunix
2018-08-22T05:54:20 < dongs> is garbage
2018-08-22T05:54:24 < dongs> what a shock
2018-08-22T05:54:26 < Cracki> it's linux, you don't get to touch the peripherals
2018-08-22T05:54:45 < _unreal_> cant touch this..... doo. doo do do..... do do....
2018-08-22T05:54:59 < Cracki> I'll bet the arduino executes gcode that's sent via uart from the pi
2018-08-22T05:55:17 < Cracki> lol web interface okeh
2018-08-22T05:55:33 < _unreal_> as I recall its just sending position comands with a command buffer
2018-08-22T05:55:38 < _unreal_> for smooth stepping
2018-08-22T05:55:38 < Cracki> I can see the use of that for status observation and a webcam for build progress video...
2018-08-22T05:55:47 < _unreal_> and look ahead
2018-08-22T05:56:23 < _unreal_> Cracki, its stupid... people are not willing to refine the code ON the computer
2018-08-22T05:56:44 < _unreal_> I mean my @E#R$@#$@#$@#423@#$@#$ god.... turbocnc works on a 386 20mhz at 15khz pulse rate
2018-08-22T05:56:46 < _unreal_> I mean COME ON
2018-08-22T05:56:50 < _unreal_> a pi isnt fast enough
2018-08-22T05:56:53 < Cracki> you have no idea
2018-08-22T05:57:07 < Cracki> it works on a 386 because it gets the whole cpu exclusively
2018-08-22T05:57:08 < _unreal_> half.. half idea
2018-08-22T05:57:18 < _unreal_> ya ring 1
2018-08-22T05:57:21 < Cracki> no
2018-08-22T05:57:24 < Cracki> exclusive
2018-08-22T05:57:24 < _unreal_> err
2018-08-22T05:57:25 < Cracki> no kernel
2018-08-22T05:57:33 < _unreal_> realtime
2018-08-22T05:57:33 < Cracki> no scheduler
2018-08-22T05:57:37 < Cracki> BARE
2018-08-22T05:57:40 < Cracki> like DOS
2018-08-22T05:58:34 < Cracki> if you live under a preemptive scheduler's graces, it either gives you a realtime api or you're fucked
2018-08-22T05:58:54 < _unreal_> hence mach3 and the par-port driver
2018-08-22T05:59:13 < _unreal_> smooth stepping on a p3 500mhz par port 4 phase step control
2018-08-22T05:59:21 < _unreal_> winxp
2018-08-22T06:00:14 < dongs> ol fuck outa here.
2018-08-22T06:00:24 < _unreal_> ?
2018-08-22T06:00:24 < dongs> nobody even has a parallel port in 2018
2018-08-22T06:00:25 < dongs> or winxp
2018-08-22T06:00:31 < dongs> or p3
2018-08-22T06:00:36 < _unreal_> I have usb par
2018-08-22T06:00:55 < _unreal_> and yes i DO still have a pentium 200 laptop :) IBM baby
2018-08-22T06:01:14 < _unreal_> keep it for playing the old games :)
2018-08-22T06:01:21 < _unreal_> that I :( never play
2018-08-22T06:01:45 < _unreal_> "dad I dont my math home work"..... ugh...
2018-08-22T06:05:01 < Cracki> how did that thing get realtime?
2018-08-22T06:05:23 < Cracki> winxp is preemptive, even with realtime priority, there's no guarantee you get the next scheduler slice when you need it, or is there?
2018-08-22T06:05:46 < dongs> i think they just run shit at priority0 and hope nothing else happens
2018-08-22T06:05:51 < Cracki> ram swapping to disk can kill a windows' performance even today
2018-08-22T06:06:04 < Cracki> aye, hoping and praying
2018-08-22T06:08:31 < Cracki> aha! mach3 uses a custom driver to manage the parallel port
2018-08-22T06:09:27 < dongs> it does?
2018-08-22T06:09:32 < dongs> custom in what sense
2018-08-22T06:09:44 < Cracki> dat gui http://www.themakersguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mach3.png
2018-08-22T06:10:01 < Cracki> no idea. I find no decent details on how mach3 does its thing
2018-08-22T06:10:06 < dongs> oh yeah its fucking awful
2018-08-22T06:10:24 < Cracki> maybe they send high level commands to the actual cnc, maybe they DO send stepdir pulses
2018-08-22T06:10:37 < dongs> no its definitely pulses
2018-08-22T06:10:46 < dongs> all mach3 setups ivce seen are just dumb paralel port -> drivers box
2018-08-22T06:10:51 < dongs> the box itself is simple no logic in it
2018-08-22T06:10:54 < Cracki> I'd imagine a driver gets more precise access to system resources than a random process, no matter its prio
2018-08-22T06:11:09 < Cracki> such as setting up timers, interrupts, etc
2018-08-22T06:11:29 < dongs> its not like there's any actual harwdare timers on PC
2018-08-22T06:11:33 < Cracki> ;)
2018-08-22T06:11:38 < dongs> other than i8042 or wahtever shit for pc speaker
2018-08-22T06:11:50 < Cracki> if you're a driver, can't be quite sure which ones you can use, which are available
2018-08-22T06:12:22 < Cracki> but I imagine as a driver you can get a well-timed interrupt handler going
2018-08-22T06:14:20 < Cracki> it might be as simple as a transfer complete interrupt from the parport
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2018-08-22T06:24:26 < Cracki> I want simcity on google maps geometry
2018-08-22T06:24:50 < dongs> unity is free if you're not a jew
2018-08-22T06:24:53 < dongs> start coding
2018-08-22T06:25:11 < ds2> there is a hw timer on the PC
2018-08-22T06:25:17 < ds2> there is a standard RTC
2018-08-22T06:25:24 < Cracki> wait jews have to pay for unity? I thought they had their ethnostate already
2018-08-22T06:26:27 < Cracki> sure, but that doesn't mean that you get to set an interrupt routine on that timer...
2018-08-22T06:26:35 < Cracki> if you're a driver, maybe
2018-08-22T06:26:43 < Cracki> which is prolly what mach3 did
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2018-08-22T06:41:03 < _unreal_> Cracki, any thing can kill windows
2018-08-22T06:41:29 < _unreal_> hell when it comes to windows, the more "cutting edge it it....... the more it bleeds" :)
2018-08-22T06:42:07 < _unreal_> it is
2018-08-22T06:42:25 < dongs> more bullshit propaganda spread by lunix faggots
2018-08-22T06:42:48 < dongs> do you even have a working web browser? or gui desktop? or a file manager? oh, right
2018-08-22T06:45:29 < _unreal_> ?
2018-08-22T06:46:29 < _unreal_> ahh yes lynx how I miss you
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2018-08-22T07:06:50 < cpctr> The faggot problem
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2018-08-22T07:44:46 < dongs> altidumb called me up to ask my opinion about the weebinar yesterday
2018-08-22T07:45:57 < ds2> lynx sucks... w3m!!!!
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2018-08-22T08:39:52 < cpctr> Police have alleged the 13 grams of meth found on cousins was hidden inside a plastic bag lodged in his anus
2018-08-22T08:40:27 < cpctr> When asked to remove it, police allege cousins instead pushed it deeper into his anus
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2018-08-22T08:54:05 < dongs> smart move
2018-08-22T08:54:17 < dongs> so how did they get it out
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2018-08-22T09:58:32 < cpctr> They took him to a hospital
2018-08-22T10:01:31 < cpctr> They should have left it in there
2018-08-22T10:25:25 < Steffanx> Did they do that to you and it damaged your brains cpctr?
2018-08-22T10:25:27 < Steffanx> :P
2018-08-22T10:27:54 < cpctr> Yeah
2018-08-22T10:30:17 < cpctr> https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/ben-cousins-arrested-on-drugs-charges/news-story/4ab777f889af70111e2a357896de0d66
2018-08-22T10:30:48 < cpctr> Funniest rolling gag show of this century
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2018-08-22T11:41:01 < cpctr> I’m going to party tonight
2018-08-22T11:41:11 < cpctr> With a Dutch friend
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2018-08-22T11:52:00 < Steffanx> Aha, stroopwafels and thee cpctr ?
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2018-08-22T11:53:26 < cpctr> Yes my friend
2018-08-22T11:54:54 < Steffanx> Enjoy
2018-08-22T11:55:06 < Steffanx> To go dutch you should split the bill
2018-08-22T11:55:11 < Steffanx> And end with a dutch oven
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2018-08-22T12:16:16 < cpctr> oh lol
2018-08-22T12:17:01 < cpctr> anyway since we were talking DSPs
2018-08-22T12:17:05 < cpctr> signal processing first
2018-08-22T12:17:13 < cpctr> pretty light reading with the math basics shits
2018-08-22T12:18:06 < cpctr> and digital signal processing by sanjit k. mitra
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2018-08-22T12:19:56 < cpctr> and a bong if you like
2018-08-22T12:27:37 < dongs> mmm bongs
2018-08-22T12:29:37 < cpctr> heh
2018-08-22T12:29:45 < cpctr> can't say i've had a 'bong' in 5 years
2018-08-22T12:33:19 < cpctr> sure the guy down the road has been bonging for 30 years and still bonging right now
2018-08-22T12:33:44 < dongs> i met some ingress people in alaskas
2018-08-22T12:33:50 < dongs> they were all fucking fulltime stoners
2018-08-22T12:34:00 < dongs> i have no idea what weed smeels like but im sure thats what their van was full of
2018-08-22T12:34:33 < cpctr> yeah its a very distinct smell
2018-08-22T12:35:13 < cpctr> it's a shame most people from high school turned stoning into a full-time lifelong career
2018-08-22T12:38:44 < cpctr> The photo of a police officer breastfeeding a malnourished child has garnered more than 154,000 likes.
2018-08-22T12:39:34 < dongs> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/08/20/teen_bitcoin_exchange/ lol
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2018-08-22T12:43:43 < cpctr> should i click?
2018-08-22T12:43:48 < cpctr> laurence usually posts that site.
2018-08-22T12:44:42 < cpctr> dongs: did i ever tell you about our first encounter on IRC
2018-08-22T12:44:55 < Steffanx> Efnet?
2018-08-22T12:45:05 < cpctr> nah some random hackintosh IRC channel
2018-08-22T12:45:28 < cpctr> think i asked about getting some amd based system to boot 10.5
2018-08-22T12:45:36 < cpctr> got absolutely blasted! 
2018-08-22T12:45:47 < dongs> lol amd
2018-08-22T12:45:51 < cpctr> exactly
2018-08-22T12:45:52 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/n6p7LYv.gifv
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2018-08-22T12:46:40 < cpctr> only because they were black
2018-08-22T12:46:47 < dongs> brazliain
2018-08-22T12:46:48 < dongs> but same shit
2018-08-22T12:46:52 < cpctr> exactly
2018-08-22T12:47:10 < cpctr> anyway the nickname you used back then had me thinking like is this guy insane or something
2018-08-22T12:47:22 < dongs> you mean it wasnt dongs or tc?
2018-08-22T12:47:28 < cpctr> it was tc
2018-08-22T12:47:40 < cpctr> but im thinking wtf is he some massive fan of the movie or some shit :/
2018-08-22T12:47:50 < cpctr> what a maniac!
2018-08-22T12:50:11 < dongs> you cnat be srs
2018-08-22T12:50:21 < dongs> also aren't you excited about updated macmini
2018-08-22T12:50:27 < dongs> apple going to go head to head wiht NUC
2018-08-22T12:50:29 < cpctr> haven't heard of it
2018-08-22T12:50:36 < dongs> just make it even less upgradeable
2018-08-22T12:50:36 < cpctr> but let me tell you amusing story
2018-08-22T12:50:38 < dongs> and more expensive
2018-08-22T12:51:03 < cpctr> friend who uses mac to record crap music with no outboard equipment got his 529526core mac with 32gb ram
2018-08-22T12:51:16 < cpctr> obviously saw no difference..... haven't seen the machine since
2018-08-22T12:51:24 < cpctr> he's back to his imac
2018-08-22T12:51:37 < cpctr> i told him not to buy a mac 'pro'
2018-08-22T12:51:54 < cpctr> $5000+ down the toilet
2018-08-22T12:52:51 < dongs> is macpro still the ancient trashcan thing
2018-08-22T12:52:54 < dongs> wiht overheating dual AMD gpu
2018-08-22T12:52:58 < dongs> or did they make something newer
2018-08-22T12:53:38 < dongs> https://www.apple.com/lae/mac-pro/ nup. still trashcan
2018-08-22T12:54:08 < cpctr> the giant tampon
2018-08-22T12:55:54 < cpctr> was that dual amd gpu known to melt
2018-08-22T12:57:39 < cpctr> i still remember josh and his piece of shit dual xeon lga771 mac pro and the failing garbage video cards
2018-08-22T12:58:09 < cpctr> fucking prick would go on like a bent screwdriver about how great his machine was
2018-08-22T12:58:27 < cpctr> mac owners.....
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2018-08-22T13:29:03 < cpctr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB6pvQt0I8s
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2018-08-22T13:44:40 < cpctr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeKBL9yOdjc
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2018-08-22T14:34:52 < Laurenceb> sup shitposters
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2018-08-22T14:47:08 < cpctr> hi sir
2018-08-22T14:47:18 < cpctr> Laurenceb: australian politics are funny
2018-08-22T14:50:04 < Laurenceb> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6084933/Complaints-enactment-featuring-Hitlers-troops-held-National-Trust-property.html
2018-08-22T14:50:11 < Laurenceb> my sides
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2018-08-22T14:59:46 < dongs> https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1031908241301749762?s=19 your sides after brexit
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2018-08-22T15:13:03 < Laurenceb> wut
2018-08-22T15:13:10 < Laurenceb> thats never the case anyway
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2018-08-22T15:17:31 < zyp> in my experience, that sort of fees is an american phenomenon or something
2018-08-22T15:17:45 < cpctr> hmmm
2018-08-22T15:18:00 < zyp> cpctr, you got those fees in australia too?
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2018-08-22T15:19:36 < cpctr> ah who knows
2018-08-22T15:19:46 < cpctr> 10% credit surcharge or some shit
2018-08-22T15:19:50 < cpctr> i never use credi
2018-08-22T15:19:53 < cpctr> t
2018-08-22T15:25:03 < Laurenceb> cpctr: what does a preamp limiter switch do?
2018-08-22T15:25:21  * Laurenceb is trying to make this shitbox behave https://cpc.farnell.com/pulse/mpre-dual/microphone-pre-amplifier-dual/dp/DP32530?mckv=sVItygyig_dc|pcrid|224689185316|kword||match||plid||slid||product|DP32530|pgrid|48694575284|ptaid|pla-371691577577|&CMP=KNC-GUK-CPC-SHOPPING&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgaGqxtOA3QIVT7vtCh0k8A8pEAQYAiABEgJM9_D_BwE
2018-08-22T15:27:30 < cpctr> maybe its a limiter on the front end
2018-08-22T15:27:32 < cpctr> who knows
2018-08-22T15:28:03 < Laurenceb> oh it means dynamic range compression
2018-08-22T15:28:05 < Laurenceb> I think
2018-08-22T15:28:39 < BrainDamage> limiter is another name for dyn range compressor, yes
2018-08-22T15:28:47 < cpctr> ^
2018-08-22T15:28:51 < Laurenceb> bad for this application then
2018-08-22T15:29:04 < Laurenceb> looks like I need a new preamp then
2018-08-22T15:29:18 < Laurenceb> this one has too much crosstalk at the lowest gain settings
2018-08-22T15:29:27 < Laurenceb> and clips at higher gain
2018-08-22T15:30:12 < cpctr> i mean you're obviously looking at a pro application here
2018-08-22T15:30:20 < cpctr> and what you've posted is garbage
2018-08-22T15:30:25 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-08-22T15:30:41 < Laurenceb> as I've discovered
2018-08-22T15:31:48 < Laurenceb> my neghole got pozzed
2018-08-22T15:32:14 < cpctr> cool
2018-08-22T15:32:59 < cpctr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U3GwFFOyz8
2018-08-22T15:34:11 < Laurenceb> https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bug-chasing-men-deliberately-trying-2033433
2018-08-22T15:34:25 < Laurenceb> even more screwed than incels
2018-08-22T15:34:52 < cpctr> lol
2018-08-22T15:39:05 < cpctr> Steffanx: zenier diode
2018-08-22T15:39:17 < dongs> [...] Kim Hyon-jeong, a 45-year-old teacher and mother of one who lives on the outskirts of Seoul, said she put about 100 million won, or $90,000, into cryptocurrencies last fall. She drew on savings, an insurance policy and a $25,000 loan. Her investments are now down about 90 percent. "I thought that cryptocurrencies would be the one and only breakthrough for ordinary hardworking people like us," she 
2018-08-22T15:39:23 < dongs> said. "I thought my family and I could escape hardship and live more comfortably, but it turned out to be the other way around." 
2018-08-22T15:39:26 < dongs> lol buttcoin
2018-08-22T15:39:59 < cpctr> lolllllllllllll
2018-08-22T15:40:42 < cpctr> i'll send her enough money to buy a gun
2018-08-22T15:43:49 < zyp> she wouldn't have been 90% down if she only bought bitcoin
2018-08-22T15:46:30 < zyp> just checked, bitcoin is currently trading at around 1/3 of all time high from december, so even if you bought at worst possible time and just kept it, you'd only be 60-70% down
2018-08-22T15:47:05 < dongs> yeah beacuse all shitcoins arent useless 
2018-08-22T15:47:37 < zyp> to lose more, she would have had to either buy into other scams or make repeated bad trades
2018-08-22T15:47:42 < zyp> buy high, sell low
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2018-08-22T16:01:03 < bitmask> its wednesday!
2018-08-22T16:02:27 < Sadale> another meh day
2018-08-22T16:02:56 < bitmask> I have a final tomorrow and as long as I finish this paper by sunday I will finally graduate
2018-08-22T16:06:25 < zyp> fun
2018-08-22T16:07:02 < bitmask> how long do you wait before sending a million messages to an ali seller because your package hasn't arrived?
2018-08-22T16:07:33 < zyp> haha
2018-08-22T16:07:47 < bitmask> so frustrating
2018-08-22T16:08:20 < bitmask> they were shipped 36 days ago and no tracking updates in 30
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2018-08-22T16:11:42 < Laurenceb> got stopped by sex doll inspection team
2018-08-22T16:11:58 < bitmask> :(
2018-08-22T16:12:05 < bitmask> they better keep it clean
2018-08-22T16:12:29 < emeryth> bitmask: at least 3 months
2018-08-22T16:12:34 < Laurenceb> obscene articles will not be tolerated in the uk
2018-08-22T16:12:45 < Laurenceb> we 1950s now
2018-08-22T16:12:57 < bitmask> really? 3 months? 
2018-08-22T16:13:12 < bitmask> I've never had something even take this long, I think the order closes in like 2 weeks so its gotta be before then
2018-08-22T16:13:25 < zyp> Laurenceb, I think I saw a news article last year about some shit like that being confiscated in norway too
2018-08-22T16:16:34 < englishman> you know that there is a usa-china trade war going on right?
2018-08-22T16:16:49 < englishman> if you were a cheapass and didn't pay for fedex/dhl, at least 3 months
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2018-08-22T16:17:37 < bitmask> I've been getting other stuff, I ordered a lot of random shit and much has come before and since
2018-08-22T16:18:03 < emeryth> a package in limbo for a month is nothing unusual
2018-08-22T16:18:20 < emeryth> sure most things come faster, but shit like this happens
2018-08-22T16:18:23 < bitmask> alright I guess I'll just keep bitching and wait it out a bit longer
2018-08-22T16:18:30 < bitmask> bitching to you guys that is
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2018-08-22T16:18:40 < bitmask> and get them to extend the order time if it gets close
2018-08-22T16:19:11 < bitmask> of course it happened to my most expensive ali order, not that much but over $100, I want my 3d printer spare parts
2018-08-22T16:19:16 < zyp> bitmask, so anyway, did you email the seller at all yet?
2018-08-22T16:19:45 < bitmask> I did once, they said they would contact their logistics company and that was almost a week ago, nothing heard since
2018-08-22T16:20:05 < zyp> I'd email them back and ask for an update now then
2018-08-22T16:20:57 < bitmask> I'll wait a couple more days and ask whats up
2018-08-22T16:21:32 < zyp> IMO it shouldn't take a week to get a reply back about this
2018-08-22T16:21:33 < emeryth> if you want to be a dick you can start a dispute and you will get your money back
2018-08-22T16:22:31 < bitmask> I don't want to spoil my relationship with them though.  Trianglelab is like the one Ali seller I care about
2018-08-22T16:22:45 < zyp> is this aliexpress or alibaba?
2018-08-22T16:22:49 < bitmask> express
2018-08-22T16:23:00 < zyp> you care about aliexpress sellers?
2018-08-22T16:23:08 < bitmask> have you not heard of trianglelab?
2018-08-22T16:23:26 < zyp> dunno, probably not
2018-08-22T16:23:47 < bitmask> they are a popular e3d clone. they seem to actually care about quality
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2018-08-22T16:26:01 < zyp> either way, sounds to me like keeping a good relationship is on them, not you
2018-08-22T16:26:18 < bitmask> true
2018-08-22T16:26:29 < bitmask> still, I'll give em til friday and send em a msg
2018-08-22T16:26:49 < zyp> if shit's not been updating on tracking for a month, I'd expect a decent seller to reship it without issue
2018-08-22T16:28:00 < zyp> because something is clearly fucked up somewhere and it's wasting your time
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2018-08-22T16:30:53 < Thorn> bitmask: what is the tracking # (the letters)?
2018-08-22T16:31:26 < bitmask> LY
2018-08-22T16:31:30 < Thorn> Rx***CN seem to take a whole lot of time this summer
2018-08-22T16:31:36 < Thorn> LY***CN?
2018-08-22T16:31:39 < bitmask> yea
2018-08-22T16:31:53 < Thorn> could be the same thing
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2018-08-22T16:33:18 < bitmask> could be, I thought epacket (I think thats what it is) was always good
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2018-08-22T16:34:09 < Thorn> ... or not, according to https://track24.ru/?page=delivered-stat#CN LY***CN to .ru takes 6...13 days, average is 10 (data over last 30 days)
2018-08-22T16:34:39 < bitmask> hrmm
2018-08-22T16:34:52 < Thorn> I guess that rules out systematic delays on the China side
2018-08-22T16:35:06 < bitmask> alright thats worth an email right away then
2018-08-22T16:36:10 < bitmask> I'll wait for the mail today incase there is some miracle, then shoot an email over
2018-08-22T17:11:25 < emeryth> zyp: how is the international postal system the sellers fault?
2018-08-22T17:14:47 < zyp> emeryth, I haven't claimed it's the sellers fault, but it's the sellers responsibility
2018-08-22T17:18:13 < zyp> emeryth, I sell stuff online myself, and I factor in a degree of loss as a cost of doing business
2018-08-22T17:19:46 < zyp> when people complain about stuff not arriving within a reasonable time I usually double check that the recipient address is correct, and if everything checks out I resend it without any further questions asked
2018-08-22T17:21:04 < emeryth> you're right, it's just in this case one month doesn't sound unusual
2018-08-22T17:22:21 < zyp> it's a tracked shipment with a month of no tracking updates
2018-08-22T17:23:23 < zyp> unless it got put on a boat, a month without updates tends to indicate it got lost
2018-08-22T17:23:40 < emeryth> not in my experience
2018-08-22T17:24:48 < emeryth> it's usually >left china >a couple of weeks of nothing >arrived at destination country
2018-08-22T17:25:59 < bitmask> it doesnt actually say it left china, and I contacted the post office here and they said they cant do anything because it hasnt left china yet. not sure if they are just going by the tracking info though, maybe it just wasnt updated for departure
2018-08-22T17:26:22 < Sadale> Now that I start to appreciate living in Hong Kong.
2018-08-22T17:26:41 < Sadale> It's usually a few day -> arrive in China warehouse -> a few more days -> arrived in Hong Kong
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2018-08-22T17:44:01 < Laurenceb> http://siliconpower.com/solidtron-products/
2018-08-22T17:44:03 < Laurenceb> nice
2018-08-22T17:45:17 < BrainDamage> are you looking to replace sprytrons in your implosion type nuclear bomb?
2018-08-22T17:45:26 < Laurenceb> yes
2018-08-22T17:49:02 < Laurenceb> 20MW in 12mm square O_o
2018-08-22T17:52:25 < bitmask> what would happen if I pop 1g of caffeine, I'm tired
2018-08-22T17:52:34 < Laurenceb> death
2018-08-22T17:52:49 < bitmask> meh
2018-08-22T17:53:05 < bitmask> .2g it is
2018-08-22T17:54:17 < bitmask> work time, maybe I can finish this paper before sunday and be done
2018-08-22T17:54:45 < bitmask> all work and no play makes robby a dull boy
2018-08-22T17:56:08 < BrainDamage> if you weight 70kg with 14g you have 50% chance of death
2018-08-22T17:57:00 < englishman> what if you weigh 700kg
2018-08-22T17:57:26 < emeryth> 95% chance of death
2018-08-22T17:57:31 < BrainDamage> I bet you have 50% chance of death by breathing alone
2018-08-22T17:57:44 < BrainDamage> aand 50% of chance to shitpost on irc
2018-08-22T17:59:20 < Thorn> englishman: the kittehs are finally back home! after 11 months https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpvvOkNBuoI
2018-08-22T17:59:36 < englishman> i didnt know they were on tour
2018-08-22T18:00:22 < Thorn> they were in a shelter since that guy died
2018-08-22T18:01:21 < englishman> the main shelter guy?
2018-08-22T18:03:35 < Thorn> the one who kept snakes and was bitten by a mamba
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2018-08-22T18:17:52 < englishman> This will take a few minutes. When the build is finished a unicorn will be shown.
2018-08-22T18:19:10 < englishman> damn, harsh
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2018-08-22T18:43:33 < englishman> lorawan concentrator up and running
2018-08-22T18:44:14 < Laurenceb> more liek autism concentrator
2018-08-22T18:44:29 < Steffanx> ##stm32 ?
2018-08-22T18:44:38 < Steffanx> Ttn much englishman ?
2018-08-22T18:44:42 < englishman> yes
2018-08-22T18:44:51 < Steffanx> Cool
2018-08-22T18:45:06 < Steffanx> First one in canada? :p
2018-08-22T18:45:16 < englishman> ha
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2018-08-22T18:50:50 < englishman> receiving packetz
2018-08-22T18:53:39 < Steffanx> :)
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2018-08-22T18:55:55 < BrainDamage> do you plan to offer a provider service, or is this for yourself?
2018-08-22T18:56:02 < englishman> just for me
2018-08-22T18:56:25 < Steffanx> Cant anyone tx/rx once you are in the ttn?
2018-08-22T18:57:18 < englishman> i don't have to use ttn forever
2018-08-22T18:58:04 < Steffanx> True.
2018-08-22T18:58:20 < englishman> and, i am honestly not sure
2018-08-22T18:58:34 < englishman> i should be able to configure the gateway to use only a pre-shared private key
2018-08-22T18:59:33 < englishman> lol, and resin is down.
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2018-08-22T19:14:08 < Thorn> ADM-Aeolus launch T - 5 hours https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxXtC9YmWSo
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2018-08-22T19:17:26 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4XLImXKgSo apparently this is the official live stream
2018-08-22T19:17:55 < kakimir> success with rj45 db9 adapters
2018-08-22T19:18:16 < kakimir> I just needed to think about it for a while
2018-08-22T19:18:39 < Steffanx> Better not sleep and remind me in about 5 hours Thorn 
2018-08-22T19:20:31 < kakimir> I still mix up how txd and rxd goes and which is which direction etc.
2018-08-22T19:20:47 < kakimir> generally.. not in this case
2018-08-22T19:22:10 < kakimir> every time I connect tranceiver to my board I just poke the wires back and roth until everything works
2018-08-22T19:22:16 < kakimir> *forth
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2018-08-22T19:27:07 < englishman> downlink packets working too
2018-08-22T19:27:33 < englishman> this is p cool
2018-08-22T19:28:36 < Steffanx> Sounds almost too easy, sure its lunix?
2018-08-22T19:28:56 < englishman> the quantity of lunix is nuts
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2018-08-22T19:32:45 < Laurenceb> inb4 ariane 6 runs lunix liek falcon 9
2018-08-22T19:41:23 < englishman> doesnt look like there's a way to make a private gateway with ttn
2018-08-22T19:41:30 < englishman> but it shouldnt matter for a very long time
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2018-08-22T19:50:14 < englishman> congrats karlp 
2018-08-22T19:52:44 < Steffanx> did i miss something?
2018-08-22T19:56:32 < antto> you miss a ton of photons every time u blink
2018-08-22T19:56:48 < Steffanx> i do miss your love antto
2018-08-22T19:57:07 < antto> now now
2018-08-22T20:00:45 < DisruptiveNL> The LSM65DSL sensor is driving me crazy...
2018-08-22T20:01:28 < Thorn> DisruptiveNL: I want your passport and your job. you can keep the motorcycle
2018-08-22T20:01:29 < DisruptiveNL> I have it running and the Z-axis gives (when still) 4212 (raw value) and then -122 and then 4204... and then -125
2018-08-22T20:02:07 < Thorn> I'd be done with it in less than a week
2018-08-22T20:02:23 < DisruptiveNL> I cannot give up ;-)
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2018-08-22T20:02:37 < Steffanx> how do you know what he does for a living Thorn?
2018-08-22T20:02:56 < Steffanx> perhaps he is just a stroopwafel baker
2018-08-22T20:03:05 < DisruptiveNL> and does not have a motorcycle ;-)
2018-08-22T20:03:16 < Steffanx> and that
2018-08-22T20:03:37 < englishman> Your search - LSM65DSL - did not match any documents.
2018-08-22T20:03:41 < englishman> found the problem
2018-08-22T20:03:43 < englishman> nonexistant chip
2018-08-22T20:04:43 < DisruptiveNL> LSM6DSL
2018-08-22T20:05:15 < DisruptiveNL> https://www.st.com/en/mems-and-sensors/lsm6dsl.html
2018-08-22T20:06:29 < Thorn> are stroopwafels difficult to make
2018-08-22T20:07:07 < DisruptiveNL> no
2018-08-22T20:07:46 < Steffanx> idk never tried
2018-08-22T20:09:20 < Laurenceb> muh sensor
2018-08-22T20:09:41 < Laurenceb> I have a ton in the wambulance
2018-08-22T20:13:14 < DisruptiveNL> ...
2018-08-22T20:15:12 < invzim> pros.. are the i2c pullups on stm32(f4) just the normal weak gpio pullups?
2018-08-22T20:15:42 < invzim> reference manual didn't say anything (that I found)
2018-08-22T20:16:55 < Thorn> invzim: afaik they're no different than any other pullups
2018-08-22T20:17:06 < Thorn> also this kind of info should be in the datasheet
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2018-08-22T20:19:18 < invzim> yeah, looked there too
2018-08-22T20:19:45 < invzim> allrighty, external it is then - buggy ti chip says it wants about 2k
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2018-08-22T20:23:53 < DisruptiveNL> 4213, 4219, 4217, 4221, 4219, 4209, -120****, 4210, 4215, 4223, -18***
2018-08-22T20:24:01 < DisruptiveNL> -128
2018-08-22T20:24:09 < DisruptiveNL> really..... whats going on
2018-08-22T20:24:28 < DisruptiveNL> around 4200 I can imagine somehow
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2018-08-22T20:27:20 < emeb> I love this channel and its constant references to stroopwafels
2018-08-22T20:27:46 < Steffanx> haha lol emeb. sadly its mainly me or stvn/cpctr/crt
2018-08-22T20:28:08 < emeb> Steffanx: perhaps I should contribute more.
2018-08-22T20:28:25 < Steffanx> :)
2018-08-22T20:29:19 < emeb> I recently saw a cooking show on TV where some California-based new-age housewife was making stroopwafels at home and filling them with things other than caramel.
2018-08-22T20:29:22 < emeb> heresy
2018-08-22T20:29:35 < Steffanx> how is that even a stroopwafel?
2018-08-22T20:29:39 < emeb> IKR?
2018-08-22T20:29:52 < emeb> it's a <stuff>wafel at best
2018-08-22T20:30:23 < Steffanx> You'd like this emeb https://www.ijsexpress.nl/images/stories/virtuemart/product/40076.png 
2018-08-22T20:31:12 < Steffanx> stroopwafel ice.
2018-08-22T20:31:22 < emeb> TAKE MY MONIES!
2018-08-22T20:33:50 < bitmask> ugh... running AI trials takes forever
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2018-08-22T20:35:04 < bitmask> 4 drawings, 3 algorithms, 3 trials each of settings that take 5s, 10s, 30s, 60s, and 120s
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2018-08-22T20:35:09 < karlp> englishman: thanks man :) life's good :)
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2018-08-22T20:36:17 < karlp> Steffanx: cross channel contesxt switches...
2018-08-22T20:37:00 < chris_99> Hi, i'm just wondering does anyone know anything about the STM32MP, i'm curious if it will still have some form of flash memory?
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2018-08-22T20:38:13 < karlp> no-one here's said anything else about it other than what we know from the devicetree fiels and the PR so far
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2018-08-22T20:38:20 < karlp> if anyone konws more, they may not be allowed to say
2018-08-22T20:39:21 < chris_99> aha, cheers
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2018-08-22T20:49:17 < Laurenceb> cpctr spotted https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=svGgk_1534782138
2018-08-22T20:54:26 < Steffanx> congratz then karlp. i can only do a little assumption what is it about
2018-08-22T20:56:16 < englishman> the p in karl p is now for president of iceland
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2018-08-22T20:56:43 < englishman> he won the lotto this week
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2018-08-22T21:00:53 < Steffanx> nah, englishman
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2018-08-22T21:01:58 < englishman> -103dBm (i assume dBm) rssi in lorawan, 1m distance
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2018-08-22T21:08:38 < Laurenceb> erm
2018-08-22T21:08:52 < Laurenceb> tiny tx power?
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2018-08-22T21:09:01 < englishman> looks like 0dBm
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2018-08-22T21:09:18 < Laurenceb> someting wong
2018-08-22T21:09:23 < Laurenceb> antenna tier: esp32
2018-08-22T21:10:01 < Laurenceb> actually you might need to match rssi to dbm
2018-08-22T21:10:07 < Laurenceb> check the datasheet
2018-08-22T21:10:11 < englishman> yeah i am not sure it is dBm
2018-08-22T21:10:20 < englishman> but this is part of the lora metadata
2018-08-22T21:10:29 < englishman> that also gives snr
2018-08-22T21:11:47 < Laurenceb>  vulgar content must be resisted in the field of culture
2018-08-22T21:13:48 < Laurenceb> bbl
2018-08-22T21:14:29 < zyp> returned the ELM327 dongle yesterday and picked up another, doesn't seem to behave any differently
2018-08-22T21:14:45 < englishman> do you know if it's v1.5 or the newer one?
2018-08-22T21:14:53 < zyp> both were v1.5
2018-08-22T21:15:07 < englishman> sucks
2018-08-22T21:15:37 < zyp> tried some i-miev specific apps today, they managed to grab some data from the car
2018-08-22T21:15:52 < zyp> but they had no option to show/clear DTCs which is what I want to do
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2018-08-22T21:18:01 < zyp> people say this thing would be able to do it: https://www.icarsoft.com/Product/s-338-iCarsoft_Multi_system_Scanner_i909.html
2018-08-22T21:18:25 < zyp> but it's pretty expensive for a single purpose device, pretty sure I can drop by a dealership and have them do it for way less
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2018-08-22T21:22:58 < karlp> my super cheap elm327 BT dongle works great in the focus, haven't tried it in the oktavia yet.
2018-08-22T21:23:18 < karlp> but things like clearing error codes behaves "not as per user expectation" in any app
2018-08-22T21:23:28 < karlp> and some apps don't work at all, or show them but won't clear them
2018-08-22T21:25:36 < zyp> both the elm327 dongles have appeared to work well in the egolf
2018-08-22T21:25:58 < zyp> didn't find any DTCs there, but I didn't expect there to be any either
2018-08-22T21:26:07 < englishman> did you run the "elm327 version checker"
2018-08-22T21:26:13 < englishman> some v2.1 are sold as v1.5 due to: china
2018-08-22T21:26:22 < zyp> no, I didn't
2018-08-22T21:26:47 < englishman> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.app.kubek.elm327checkversion&hl=en
2018-08-22T21:26:54 < zyp> how much of the protocol logic is in the dongle and how much is in the app, by the way?
2018-08-22T21:26:57 < englishman> worked for me
2018-08-22T21:27:41 < zyp> since the i-miev specific apps manages to read data but the generic ones don't even manage to find the ECU, I suspect it's just using a super weird protocol or something
2018-08-22T21:28:34 < englishman> i don't know too much, just that the elm327 takes AT commands to speak the various obd protocols. once the app has the ability to talk obd, all the rest of the commands are done in the app.
2018-08-22T21:28:50 < englishman> elm327 itself is pretty dumb
2018-08-22T21:28:58 < englishman> https://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Widgets/ELM327_AT_Commands.pdf
2018-08-22T21:29:46 < englishman> way back when i bought an actual ELM327 which was a DIP pic and soldered it to an arduino
2018-08-22T21:29:57 < englishman> https://www.elmelectronics.com/ic/elm327/
2018-08-22T21:30:00 < englishman> haha
2018-08-22T21:30:26 < englishman> block diagram is there.
2018-08-22T21:34:44 < Steffanx> just buy mine zyp, it works. even has a switch for to change the can speed.
2018-08-22T21:34:57 < zyp> Steffanx, your what?
2018-08-22T21:35:05 < Steffanx> but then i wouldnt have it, so perhaps i shouldnt sell it
2018-08-22T21:35:12 < Steffanx> a fully functional original elm327
2018-08-22T21:35:18 < Steffanx> usb.
2018-08-22T21:35:39 < zyp> doesn't help if the root problem is that none of the apps knows how to talk to the car :p
2018-08-22T21:36:09 < Steffanx> oh, that's your problem.
2018-08-22T21:36:23 < zyp> problem is I have no idea
2018-08-22T21:36:34 < Steffanx> i warezed multiecuscan, not sure why i warezed it and connected that to my car.
2018-08-22T21:37:21 < Steffanx> best tool for fiat group cars
2018-08-22T21:37:29 < Steffanx> totally irrelevant for you
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2018-08-22T22:01:17 < kakimir> I have lpc in my car now
2018-08-22T22:01:20 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-22T22:01:38 < kakimir> also I have cat6 cabling in my car now
2018-08-22T22:02:28 < kakimir> I mean there is rj45 under the bonnet and it runs into the car from above the pedals
2018-08-22T22:02:37 < kakimir> another rj45 there
2018-08-22T22:02:44 < kakimir> how funky is that
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2018-08-22T23:30:50 < upgrdman> anyone know of a nice IC to get data to a pc over usb3, from an fpga? i need at least 1Gbit/sec, and 8Gbit/sec would be nice
2018-08-22T23:31:00 < englishman> karlp: i definitely need some glue between ttn and thingspeak
2018-08-22T23:34:48 < qyx> thingspeak? what for?
2018-08-22T23:35:09 < qyx> I migrated to grafana because it was hardly usable
2018-08-22T23:35:30 < englishman> it was recommended, and looked cool
2018-08-22T23:35:33 < englishman> il check out grafana thanks
2018-08-22T23:35:59 < qyx> the free version accepts only one value per 15 sec
2018-08-22T23:36:17 < qyx> there are other constraints too
2018-08-22T23:37:11 < qyx> theres also some service from the same company which aggregates values from multiple sources, mqtt including
2018-08-22T23:37:23 < qyx> but I am not using it
2018-08-22T23:37:50 < qyx> a ~20 line python script works for now
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2018-08-22T23:45:58 < englishman> i dont see anything at all related to mqtt
2018-08-22T23:46:03 < englishman> looks like it's graphing only
2018-08-22T23:46:08 < englishman> external data sources only
2018-08-22T23:46:16 < englishman> ah yeah quite different
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2018-08-22T23:48:21 < qyx> oh sorry
2018-08-22T23:48:41 < qyx> https://www.influxdata.com/time-series-platform/telegraf/
2018-08-22T23:48:42 < qyx> this one
2018-08-22T23:49:06 < qyx> they have their own graphing (chronograph)
2018-08-22T23:49:17 < qyx> you can check it or use grafana on top of influxdb
2018-08-22T23:49:25 < qyx> Laurenceb approves influxdb
2018-08-22T23:49:50 < englishman> ah yeah this is the glue
2018-08-22T23:54:57 < englishman> i'm tempted to take this all offline
2018-08-22T23:55:08 < englishman> and just have the devices add lines to a ms access db
2018-08-22T23:55:36 < qyx> no way
2018-08-22T23:55:38 < qyx> csv it
2018-08-22T23:58:11 < englishman> device_000001.csv
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2018-08-23T00:06:39 < Steffanx> ms access 4 life
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2018-08-23T00:11:43 < Thorn> why is nobody waking me up
2018-08-23T00:12:03 < Thorn> Steffanx: T - 8:30
2018-08-23T00:12:07 < englishman> this is all offline stuff anyway
2018-08-23T00:12:12 < englishman> so i can delete thedongsnetwork
2018-08-23T00:12:34 < englishman> well not really if i want to stay part of lorawan but whatever
2018-08-23T00:23:53 < Steffanx> Ty Thorn looked like a smooth launch
2018-08-23T00:24:42 < srk> I'm about to try some SVG graphing of ttn data
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2018-08-23T01:04:17 < karlp> upgrdman: fx3, ft600/ft601?
2018-08-23T01:04:35 < upgrdman> karlp, ya saw the ft600. will check fx3
2018-08-23T01:06:58 < upgrdman> hmm fx3 is like  3x price of ft600
2018-08-23T01:07:13 < upgrdman> more flexible, but it seems like the ft600 should be good enough for me
2018-08-23T01:07:45 < upgrdman> i dont need it, but surprised theses no "superspeed+" usb ICs (10 or 20Gbit)
2018-08-23T01:11:48 < bitmask> fuck, this implementation of genetic algorithm isnt working right, I really dont have time for this shit
2018-08-23T01:12:16 < bitmask> I'll just write that it was the wrong algorithm for the job and produced far from optimal results :)
2018-08-23T01:13:24 < karlp> upgrdman: so few things can handle being at the far side of it....
2018-08-23T01:13:38 < upgrdman> true
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2018-08-23T01:40:34 < catphish> upgrdman: implement the usb in the fpga directly maybe? i have no idea how hard that is with an appropriate ip
2018-08-23T01:49:16 < englishman> srk, ttn seems reliable enough, how do you pull data out of it? i think i'll have it http post to a little computer scriot
2018-08-23T01:49:31 < englishman> then add to local database and go from there for data analysis
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2018-08-23T01:52:46 < cpctr> the dogs
2018-08-23T01:53:51 < upgrdman> catphish, i have not looked into it, but usb3 is pretty non-trivial, so doing it with an ASIC is prolly cheaper
2018-08-23T01:54:20 < catphish> upgrdman: makes sense
2018-08-23T02:02:45 < _unreal_> hello
2018-08-23T02:03:37 < cpctr> IRC services are down
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2018-08-23T02:03:57 < cpctr> I can’t talk dirty to steffan in pm
2018-08-23T02:23:06 < bitmask> whoo, thank god ant colony is working, fuck genetic
2018-08-23T02:27:45 < Cracki> how do they differ
2018-08-23T02:27:58 < Cracki> they both work with populations and mutation, no?
2018-08-23T02:29:36 < bitmask> ant colony doesnt use mutations.  genetic combines two solutions with a possible mutation and ant colony works on repeated edges
2018-08-23T02:30:01 < bitmask> pheremones on edges evaporate over time so shorter paths lead to higher concentration of pheremones
2018-08-23T02:30:13 < bitmask> eventually all ants follow shortest path
2018-08-23T02:30:27 < _unreal_> heads up.... a person omarramo may show up shortly asking questions that sound like arduino emulation on an STM board....... I sent him this way because I really cant answer his Q.
2018-08-23T02:30:29 < Cracki> ok so it's shortest path search... there are deterministic algorithms for that
2018-08-23T02:30:43 < bitmask> its for solving TSP
2018-08-23T02:30:57 < bitmask> I'm comparing simulated annealing, ant colony and genetic
2018-08-23T02:30:58 < Cracki> _unreal_, will you stop dragging weirdos in here? it's enough to have you :P
2018-08-23T02:31:11 < bitmask> SA and ant colony work great but genetic either doesnt work well or my code is fubar
2018-08-23T02:31:37 < Cracki> is this an academic exercise or for some actual problem you need to solve?
2018-08-23T02:32:15 < bitmask> academic, my undergraduate thesis.  I've run out of time so I'm kinda just throwing it together instead of finding actual results.  I gotta hand it in by sunday
2018-08-23T02:32:22 < Cracki> heh
2018-08-23T02:32:39 < _unreal_> Cracki, am i going to get a spanking
2018-08-23T02:32:45 < _unreal_> ....... again
2018-08-23T02:32:51 < Cracki> if you ask nicely
2018-08-23T02:32:52 < _unreal_> :)
2018-08-23T02:32:56 < _unreal_> lol
2018-08-23T02:32:58 < bitmask> I'm using my pen plotter, I made it two armed so its solving the traveling salesman problem with two agents, looking to minimize drawing time
2018-08-23T02:33:31 < Cracki> look at this fucking website http://www.aco-metaheuristic.org/
2018-08-23T02:33:41 < bitmask> but all I'm really doing is finding the sequence for one arm and splitting it in half
2018-08-23T02:33:45 < Cracki> ah you want to solve plotting
2018-08-23T02:34:25 < _unreal_> Just talked to the machining company about milling out the parts for my cnc machine
2018-08-23T02:34:26 < bitmask> I dont have time to play with algorithms to better solve two arms without collision.  at least just cutting it in half works out fairly well
2018-08-23T02:34:29 < _unreal_> today
2018-08-23T02:34:45 < mawk> I bought a random 1000 mAh LiPo off amazon and soldered a charging pcb for it; how dangerous could it be ?
2018-08-23T02:34:52 < Cracki> I had a lab where they wanted me to optimize paths for a 3d printer... but that's absolutely fucked in the head because the segments generated by a slicer already HAVE a reasonable order to them
2018-08-23T02:34:56 < mawk> will that explode will I'm away for my shower ?
2018-08-23T02:34:58 < _unreal_> they were tickeled...... funning thing is they have used 2 of my items so far I've had them build in there own promo's
2018-08-23T02:35:24 < _unreal_> mawk, I know a lot about lipos
2018-08-23T02:35:44 < _unreal_> DO NOT! SOLDER anything to lipos
2018-08-23T02:36:00 < _unreal_> ! fam is back state your QI may be able to answer
2018-08-23T02:36:01 < mawk> I didn't
2018-08-23T02:36:05 < _unreal_> OH GOOD
2018-08-23T02:36:15 < mawk> I just soldered male headers to the charging stuff
2018-08-23T02:36:20 < tomeaton17> what about soldering connectors
2018-08-23T02:36:28 < mawk> and plugged the cables that come out of the lipos into it
2018-08-23T02:37:17 < mawk> what happens for instance if my soldering is bad and the battery short circuits
2018-08-23T02:37:33 < mawk> it seem to have a protection circuit, but it was cheap so it could be a fake one
2018-08-23T02:37:45 < Cracki> just short it already
2018-08-23T02:37:48 < Cracki> why wait
2018-08-23T02:37:54 < mawk> I have wooden floor
2018-08-23T02:37:59 < Cracki> great
2018-08-23T02:38:06 < mawk> if I had concrete I'd try
2018-08-23T02:38:23 < Cracki> lemme guess, all the ground within a hundred miles of you is wooden
2018-08-23T02:38:41 < mawk> wooden or plastic
2018-08-23T02:38:45 < mawk> I'm in paris and I'm pooe
2018-08-23T02:38:47 < mawk> poor
2018-08-23T02:38:50 < Cracki> sidewalk
2018-08-23T02:38:51 < mawk> so my flat is small
2018-08-23T02:38:59 < Cracki> window sill
2018-08-23T02:39:09 < Cracki> chuck it in a car driving by
2018-08-23T02:39:14 < mawk> lol
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2018-08-23T02:40:08 < mawk> charging circuit is tp4056 or something
2018-08-23T02:40:15 < Laurenceb__> autiste
2018-08-23T02:40:30 < Laurenceb__> today I met an autastic grrrl
2018-08-23T02:40:41 < mawk> that's a french word Laurenceb__, so you just spoke french
2018-08-23T02:40:45 < mawk> how do you feel
2018-08-23T02:41:19 < Cracki> feel like getting some freedom fries
2018-08-23T02:42:41 < mawk> it's been charging for 10 minutes and didn't explode
2018-08-23T02:42:46 < mawk> it should be good
2018-08-23T02:44:26 < Cracki> faulty reasoning
2018-08-23T02:45:05 < mawk> lol
2018-08-23T02:46:16 < Laurenceb__> she was almost normal
2018-08-23T02:46:28 < Laurenceb__> apart from the desire to make weird noises and rub walls
2018-08-23T02:46:35 < Cracki> uh
2018-08-23T02:47:19 < Laurenceb__> designated wall rubbing tiem 4 autiste waifu
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2018-08-23T02:48:57 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/6y6eq0z69/
2018-08-23T02:51:28 < cpctr> her eyes are about a metre apart
2018-08-23T02:52:26 < englishman> mawk i'm pretty sure i got the data flip-flip right but it doesnt like my circuit
2018-08-23T02:54:07 < Laurenceb__> >ICE AGE SLOTH GUUUUURRL. 
2018-08-23T02:56:13 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU6C0mUl2lw
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2018-08-23T02:56:55 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52FuQxoSz8I
2018-08-23T02:57:55 < Laurenceb__> >dat desktop
2018-08-23T02:58:41 < tomeaton17> just acting
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2018-08-23T03:00:37 < Thorn> is that your webcam cousin Laurenceb__ 
2018-08-23T03:00:44 < tomeaton17> haha
2018-08-23T03:02:43 < Laurenceb__> kek
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2018-08-23T03:14:53 < Laurenceb__> my orbital sides https://postimg.cc/image/khn8vofpd/
2018-08-23T03:18:07 < bitmask> how much time do you waste looking up this stupid shit
2018-08-23T03:21:11 < Laurenceb__> its my leisure tiem
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2018-08-23T03:28:10 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/ji1jdbsdt/
2018-08-23T03:28:16 < Laurenceb__> and looking at lovely ladies
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2018-08-23T03:40:02 < ColdKeyboard> Anyone have example for STM32F103 to jump to DFU from application code?
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2018-08-23T03:41:27 < Laurenceb__> yes...on my github somewhere
2018-08-23T03:42:00 < Laurenceb__> too busy fappin atm
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2018-08-23T03:43:26 < englishman> by dfu you mean the serial, etc. bootloader? you just issue the run program command
2018-08-23T03:43:36 < englishman> AN3155
2018-08-23T03:43:48 < englishman> The Go command is used to execute the downloaded code or any other code by branching
2018-08-23T03:43:48 < englishman> to an address specified by the application. 
2018-08-23T03:43:50 < englishman> is that what you mean
2018-08-23T03:44:05 < englishman> oh
2018-08-23T03:44:06 < englishman> TO
2018-08-23T03:44:07 < englishman> dfu
2018-08-23T03:44:08 < englishman> sorry
2018-08-23T03:44:55 < englishman> https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/e582e0ce6321b7dd2293a60264e1040d0cbac5a4/src/drv_system.c#L200
2018-08-23T03:45:10 < englishman> then in your startup code
2018-08-23T03:45:11 < englishman> https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/e582e0ce6321b7dd2293a60264e1040d0cbac5a4/src/baseflight_startups/startup_stm32f10x_md_gcc.S#L65
2018-08-23T03:45:17 < englishman> to check for magic number in sram
2018-08-23T03:45:48 < englishman> https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/e582e0ce6321b7dd2293a60264e1040d0cbac5a4/src/baseflight_startups/startup_stm32f10x_md_gcc.S#L140
2018-08-23T03:45:50 < englishman> actual jump is down here
2018-08-23T03:45:58 < englishman> he does some other stuff like turn on leds, off peripherals
2018-08-23T03:52:24 < catphish> oo a flight controller
2018-08-23T03:52:56 < englishman> ancient and ignorable tech
2018-08-23T03:53:09 < catphish> stm32 sucks for that, no built in gyro
2018-08-23T03:54:32 < catphish> i miss building flight controllers, that was fun, never used an stm32, wish i had, would have been so much better than mega2560
2018-08-23T03:55:02 < cpctr> as if stm32 sucks
2018-08-23T03:55:09 < catphish> lol
2018-08-23T03:58:46 < catphish> sleep time :)
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2018-08-23T04:08:32 < ColdKeyboard> Laurenceb__: englishman STM32F103C8 has USB but does it have DFU over USB?
2018-08-23T04:08:43 < englishman> no
2018-08-23T04:08:54 < englishman> you can write your own however
2018-08-23T04:09:04 < ColdKeyboard> bummer...
2018-08-23T04:09:09 < englishman> AN2606
2018-08-23T04:09:49 < ColdKeyboard> Yeap, I read that one. UART only
2018-08-23T04:10:03 < englishman> what do you need it for
2018-08-23T04:10:09 < englishman> f0 has a lot of new shit
2018-08-23T04:10:29 < englishman> l0 is even more betterer if you are doing battery powered stuff
2018-08-23T04:21:31 < Laurenceb__> >mega2560
2018-08-23T04:21:33 < Laurenceb__> my sides
2018-08-23T04:21:41 < Laurenceb__> >>"""mega"""
2018-08-23T04:27:05 < ColdKeyboard> I just made a clock with WS2812 LEDs. Now I want to give it to my friend as a gift but thing is he is on the other continent. So I don't want to fly there if I want something tweaked or add a feature. :)
2018-08-23T04:27:19 < cpctr> australia
2018-08-23T04:27:52 < cpctr> we're having our own little brexit saga now
2018-08-23T04:28:57 < Ultrasauce> is he really your friend if he cant operate a stlink
2018-08-23T04:29:10 < cpctr> what's an stlink
2018-08-23T04:30:57 < bitmask> whats a good general f0 that you would buy a bunch of because they are just handy to have around?
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2018-08-23T04:32:52 < Thorn> stm32f072cbt6
2018-08-23T04:33:00 < Thorn> or stm32f072c8t6
2018-08-23T04:33:31 < Thorn> or rbt6 for more pins
2018-08-23T04:33:37 < bitmask> i'll look em up later thanks
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2018-08-23T04:40:38 < branjb> laurenceb__: how about a mega2560 core on an fpga? https://github.com/MorgothCreator/XMEGA_CORE_IP_V2
2018-08-23T04:48:28 < cpctr> yuh i herd about FPGAduinos
2018-08-23T04:48:37 < cpctr> are they anything more than a 'just for the fuck of it?'
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2018-08-23T04:56:53 < Cracki> wat xmega core how did that happen
2018-08-23T04:57:10 < Cracki> someone reversed it or what
2018-08-23T05:00:16 < bitmask> I want to play with my fpga but I cant come up with a project
2018-08-23T05:00:22 < Cracki> blinky
2018-08-23T05:00:29 < bitmask> heh
2018-08-23T05:00:47 < Cracki> you want a project? get some dacs and implement 12 bit multistepping
2018-08-23T05:01:03 < Cracki> I've seen some 3000 microsteps stuff for scientific purposes (nanometer positioning)
2018-08-23T05:01:40 < Cracki> it had a sine table in it you modify to compensate detent torque and whatnot
2018-08-23T05:01:48 < bitmask> heh yea maybe I'll use it when I remake my pen plotter into a proper little pcb cnc
2018-08-23T05:02:06 < Cracki> I still gotta play with that TMC2130. it's 256 microsteps and also has a sine table with a funny encoding...
2018-08-23T05:02:22 < bitmask> yea I was lookin at those
2018-08-23T05:02:28 < Cracki> I'll have to hook the stepper to a high PPR rotary encoder, then spin it and watch the wobbles live, and tweak the table
2018-08-23T05:02:36 < bitmask> not until I get a 32 bit board for my printer though
2018-08-23T05:02:47 < Cracki> grab a disco?
2018-08-23T05:03:15 < bitmask> ehh, for the 3d printer I'd rather just pick up something ready to go
2018-08-23T05:03:43 < bitmask> smoothie or duet or mks s base 
2018-08-23T05:03:47 < bitmask> something like that
2018-08-23T05:04:38 < bitmask> ugh its 10pm already and I havent started studying for my final tomorrow
2018-08-23T05:04:57 < bitmask> I gotta get back to work, later
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2018-08-23T05:20:34 < Ultrasauce> i do recommend smoothie
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2018-08-23T06:25:14 < branjb> I need a fpga project that is something other than add a soft core and pretend it is an mcu
2018-08-23T06:25:33 < englishman> how about something with video
2018-08-23T06:25:44 < branjb> pong
2018-08-23T06:25:55 < cpctr> haha i remember the old altera UP1 board with pong
2018-08-23T06:25:57 < englishman> like taking displaydongs and overlaying 4k dicks
2018-08-23T06:26:19 < branjb> i did a vga pong game in college
2018-08-23T06:27:08 < branjb> wonder if there is anything interesting to do with neural nets and fpgas or if thats just compsci memery
2018-08-23T06:28:35 < englishman> probably not on a 1-person scale
2018-08-23T06:29:17 < cpctr> There is an update 18.1.9.240 available for Altium Designer.
2018-08-23T06:29:19 < englishman> arent neural nets just search algos anwyay
2018-08-23T06:29:22 < branjb> or get it to mine buttcoins
2018-08-23T06:29:24 < englishman> FINALLY!
2018-08-23T06:29:27 < cpctr> lol yeah
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2018-08-23T06:29:31 < cpctr> should i blow up
2018-08-23T06:29:40 < friendofafriend> Yes.
2018-08-23T06:30:06 < cpctr> the greedy little prick needs to download now
2018-08-23T06:30:58 < emeb_mac> dongs the synthwave musician -> https://timecop1983.bandcamp.com/
2018-08-23T06:31:16 < cpctr> yes
2018-08-23T06:31:35 < Ultrasauce> done any sweet new music stuff lately emeb?
2018-08-23T06:32:27 < emeb_mac> Ultrasauce: this is the most recent -> http://synthtech.com/eurorack/E370/
2018-08-23T06:32:36 < emeb_mac> been busy w/ other stuff since that
2018-08-23T06:33:41 < englishman> Ultrasauce, how is your own kickstarter going
2018-08-23T06:34:11 < Ultrasauce> had our first client last month, it was sort of a shitshow but sort of ok
2018-08-23T06:34:38 < Ultrasauce> and now i have a month to fix all the bugs before the next gig
2018-08-23T06:34:55 < englishman> sounds like a real project
2018-08-23T06:41:39 < Ultrasauce> still staring down the end of the runway but yeah
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2018-08-23T06:43:40 < englishman> even the wright brothers had no idea if their shit would work
2018-08-23T06:45:38 < englishman> everybody is basically just winging it 24/7 even jeff bezos and trump and well everyone
2018-08-23T06:46:14 < englishman> the worst that can happen is that you have to grow potatoes for the rest of your life and have 7 kids
2018-08-23T06:46:37 < Ultrasauce> becoming jeff bezos or trump strikes me as worse than that
2018-08-23T06:47:06 < englishman> are you kidding that guy got on testosterone therapy and is now completely yoked
2018-08-23T06:48:04 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/BfZ6roy.jpg
2018-08-23T06:48:48 < englishman> anyway what's the worst that can happen
2018-08-23T06:49:08 < englishman> you can fail and you'd still be in the best country and healthy and etc
2018-08-23T06:49:20 < Ultrasauce> eh the only really scary part is other peoples' livelihoods depending on it
2018-08-23T06:49:22 < englishman> so you might as well try right
2018-08-23T06:49:29 < englishman> oh yeah that part sucks
2018-08-23T06:49:35 < englishman> but they are in the same boat
2018-08-23T06:49:39 < Ultrasauce> ye
2018-08-23T06:50:36 < englishman> id totally buy your potatoes, if it comes to that
2018-08-23T06:50:55 < Ultrasauce> i think soy is the real cash crop around here these days actually
2018-08-23T06:51:10 < englishman> globalism :<
2018-08-23T06:51:17 < branjb> soyboys need their lattes
2018-08-23T06:51:57 < cpctr> soy goys
2018-08-23T07:01:06 < Cracki> open borders for i...
2018-08-23T07:18:36 < branjb> cool can we send all of our illegals to you?
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2018-08-23T09:50:43 < cpctr> had a few pies
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2018-08-23T10:05:13 < qyx> englishman: what are you ttn'ing?
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2018-08-23T12:21:40 < cpctr> http://boards.4chan.org/biz/thread/10804626
2018-08-23T12:23:45 < cpctr> yuh apparently
2018-08-23T12:24:00 < cpctr> as you can see it has nothing to do with it at all lol
2018-08-23T12:26:09 < cpctr> ah
2018-08-23T12:26:24 < cpctr> i think that page is actually sfw
2018-08-23T12:26:32 < cpctr> but you can't be too sure on that site
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2018-08-23T12:40:53 < catphish> woo, i have boards from zyp :D
2018-08-23T12:41:23 < zyp> that was pretty fast
2018-08-23T12:41:33 < catphish> that's what she said
2018-08-23T12:41:39 < zyp> :)
2018-08-23T12:43:28 < catphish> i guess we have a trade deal with you guys, no tax :)
2018-08-23T12:43:39 < catphish> EEA FTW
2018-08-23T12:43:45 < catphish> and yeah, hoper fast!
2018-08-23T12:43:47 < catphish> *super
2018-08-23T12:44:02 < Steffanx> Did stvn forget about the no 4ch policy?
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2018-08-23T12:55:59 < catphish> today's toys: https://i.imgur.com/dGj8pWg.jpg
2018-08-23T12:56:09 < catphish> sadly no crystal yet :(
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2018-08-23T12:59:43 < zyp> if you wanna do quick prototyping with the nfc readers, you can have a copy of the python script I use to send arbitrary commands to the reader chip over usb and the associated firmware that proxies between usb and spi
2018-08-23T13:02:55 < catphish> that may be helpful, thanks!
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2018-08-23T13:09:26 < zyp> I'll dig it out this afternoon
2018-08-23T13:10:22 < catphish> thanks, no rush
2018-08-23T13:10:35 < catphish> i've got totally sidetracked by this clock thing
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2018-08-23T13:18:24 < Steffanx> Gave up on 60KHz catphish ?
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2018-08-23T13:33:07 < catphish> Steffanx: i've not really decided between 60 and 77 but the process is the same so i'm just trying out both
2018-08-23T13:33:21 < catphish> the designs should be interchangeable between the two
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2018-08-23T14:05:36 < englishman> qyx: what was otherwise going to be transmitted via axsem, but now it's actually going to work because pretty much everything related to transport is taken care of with lorawan
2018-08-23T14:06:09 < englishman> doing exactly the opposite of whatever laurenceb says is a real time saver
2018-08-23T14:07:51 < englishman> i can just plug the Go mqtt library into my old program, even
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2018-08-23T14:12:14 < Steffanx> Better add that to the topic englishman. Should be general knowledge
2018-08-23T14:13:43 < karlp> nice, that xmega core "moved to https://git.morgothdisk.com/" and that url is unavailable without logging in.
2018-08-23T14:15:52 < karlp> yeah, lolrense seems to make things complicatd sometimes
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2018-08-23T14:34:33 < Laurenceb> sup trollz
2018-08-23T14:34:49 < Laurenceb> is ELM327 any good?
2018-08-23T14:35:00 < Laurenceb> maybe I should use it instead of ESP32 shit
2018-08-23T14:35:07 < zyp> haha
2018-08-23T14:35:45 < Laurenceb> is it just a bluetooth rfcomm device?
2018-08-23T14:36:02 < zyp> no
2018-08-23T14:36:06 < Laurenceb> reee
2018-08-23T14:36:20 < kakimir> rare pepes
2018-08-23T14:36:30 < Laurenceb> the rarest pepe
2018-08-23T14:36:31 < zyp> it's a obd to serial converter, then it's paired with a bluetooth chip or something
2018-08-23T14:36:39 < Laurenceb> sure
2018-08-23T14:36:45 < Laurenceb> so you can connect with rfcomm?
2018-08-23T14:36:50 < zyp> probably
2018-08-23T14:36:52 < kakimir> my friends name in primary school was pepe
2018-08-23T14:37:08 < Laurenceb> tiem to read Rpi forumz
2018-08-23T14:37:11 < Laurenceb> lol kakimir
2018-08-23T14:37:17 < kakimir> he must be the original pepe
2018-08-23T14:38:55 < Laurenceb> oh you have to send commands
2018-08-23T14:39:05 < Laurenceb> http://xtl.kapsi.fi/elm327.html
2018-08-23T14:39:42 < Laurenceb> shrug I'll stick with ESP32 shitboard, it just spits out all CAN data over bluetooth with default firmware
2018-08-23T14:40:08 < Laurenceb> once you avoid connecting to the random bluetooth audio and HCI devices
2018-08-23T14:40:33 < Laurenceb>  *HID
2018-08-23T14:41:42 < Laurenceb> englishman: >unironically using lolra
2018-08-23T14:41:52 < Laurenceb> good luck in urban area with interference
2018-08-23T14:46:14 < Laurenceb> babbies first ""spread spectrum""
2018-08-23T14:49:32 < jpa-> https://linux.slashdot.org/story/18/08/22/2213233/intel-publishes-microcode-security-patches-with-no-benchmarks-or-profiling-allowed       looks like intel finally solved the performance regressions in meltdown patches
2018-08-23T14:49:34 < BrainDamage> babbies first spread spectrum is DSSS, and still works fine
2018-08-23T14:49:43 < Laurenceb> exactly
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2018-08-23T14:51:37 < Steffanx> You can also get a wifi one
2018-08-23T14:52:07 < zyp> jpa-, ah, yeah, if they can't be measured, they don't exist
2018-08-23T14:53:18 < BrainDamage> "if an intel processor slows down in a forest..."
2018-08-23T14:59:41 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/00da03b685/138752.png
2018-08-23T15:14:23 < Laurenceb> Did you know that a shopping trolley was invented by a Jew?
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2018-08-23T15:16:04 < Laurenceb> we can blame them for these chads https://imgoat.com/uploads/00da03b685/138756.png
2018-08-23T15:16:24 < Laurenceb> irc poster at back right
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2018-08-23T16:11:45 < kakimir> does probe multiplier do anything else than multiply the signal?
2018-08-23T16:11:51 < kakimir> in oscilloscope
2018-08-23T16:12:00 < kakimir> if I want to convert shunt voltage into amperes
2018-08-23T16:13:22 < BrainDamage> on the oscopy side it only multiplies
2018-08-23T16:13:33 < BrainDamage> on the probe side, it has impedance consequences
2018-08-23T16:13:40 < kakimir> okay
2018-08-23T16:14:08 < kakimir> I have 20milliohm shunt and probe set at 10X
2018-08-23T16:14:18 < kakimir> so I just set 500x
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2018-08-23T17:14:25 < mawk> what kind of battery do you use
2018-08-23T17:14:55 < mawk> I have a shitton of Li-Ion 18650 accumulators, is it a good idea to use that ?
2018-08-23T17:15:05 < mawk> to power electronics for a long time
2018-08-23T17:19:46 < catphish> mawk: depends a lot on voltage requirements
2018-08-23T17:20:11 < catphish> mawk: and what you mean by "a long time"
2018-08-23T17:20:45 < mawk> a year or something
2018-08-23T17:20:53 < catphish> for very low current, very long life you may want to look at lithium metal
2018-08-23T17:21:31 < catphish> 1) it runs at 3.0v, so can directly power an stm32, 4.0v  li-ion is too high voltage 2) not rechargeable
2018-08-23T17:21:56 < catphish> 3) very very low seld discharge so suitable for running for several years
2018-08-23T17:22:00 < catphish> *self
2018-08-23T17:22:03 < mawk> I see
2018-08-23T17:22:08 < mawk> it seems to fit
2018-08-23T17:22:09 < catphish> that's what i plan to use for my long life project anyway
2018-08-23T17:23:01 < catphish> i was originally planning to use 18650, but you have to deal with the voltage regulation, figured in the end it was cheaper / easier just to replace batteries every couple of years
2018-08-23T17:23:28 < catphish> i'm looking at using cr123a
2018-08-23T17:23:40 < mawk> buck converters wasn't efficient enough ? 
2018-08-23T17:23:55 < catphish> i'm not sure, it could work
2018-08-23T17:24:11 < mawk> iirc efficiency could be 0.9
2018-08-23T17:24:24 < mawk> (my percent sign disappeared from my keyboard)
2018-08-23T17:24:37 < catphish> i'm sure this is all very dependent on the application
2018-08-23T17:24:44 < mawk> yes
2018-08-23T17:24:56 < catphish> for me, i decided users would prefer just replacing non-rechargeable cells less often than charging
2018-08-23T17:25:09 < mawk> 3.0V is good for stm32, but maybe some peripherals aren't so tolerant when they require 3.3V ?
2018-08-23T17:25:16 < catphish> plus you save (probably minimal) amounts on the build
2018-08-23T17:25:31 < catphish> well again, you have to decide for your specific application
2018-08-23T17:25:41 < mawk> indeed
2018-08-23T17:25:44 < catphish> but remember that an 18650 will discharge down to 3.0v
2018-08-23T17:26:28 < catphish> so you may not be able to use all the capacity, this isn't a huge problem as you can get most of the charge down to 3v3
2018-08-23T17:26:44 < mawk> yes
2018-08-23T17:26:45 < catphish> as long as you don't lose too much in your buck converter
2018-08-23T17:27:05 < mawk> maybe there are hybrid buck/boost that can switch when the 3.3V point is reached
2018-08-23T17:27:19 < catphish> possibly
2018-08-23T17:27:48 < catphish> it may also be that your other components are happy down to 3.0v :)
2018-08-23T17:27:57 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-23T17:28:02 < catphish> so i guess figure out what you need to power first
2018-08-23T17:28:09 < mawk> but not much up to 3.7 maybe
2018-08-23T17:28:27 < catphish> yeah you won't be able to power much at 4.2v (100% charge)
2018-08-23T17:28:35 < catphish> so definitely need something there
2018-08-23T17:30:02 < mawk> what's the typical charge in your lithium metal batteries ?
2018-08-23T17:31:07 < catphish> https://industrial.panasonic.com/ww/products/batteries/primary-batteries/lithium-batteries/cylindrical-type-lithium-batteries-cr-series/CR123A
2018-08-23T17:31:20 < catphish> i'm looking at cr123a, this datasheet claims 1400mAh
2018-08-23T17:32:12 < catphish> for very low currents, you could even use a CR2032
2018-08-23T17:32:33 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-23T17:32:57 < catphish> some button batteries go up to 1000mAh
2018-08-23T17:33:16 < catphish> 220mAh in a CR2032
2018-08-23T17:33:32 < catphish> but because of the low self discharge hopefully you can get pretty much all of those out of it
2018-08-23T17:34:43 < mawk> yes
2018-08-23T17:35:56 < mawk> my soldering tip is turning blue, does that happen often ?
2018-08-23T17:36:11 < mawk> it's pretty and all but it doesn't sound normal
2018-08-23T17:37:17 < zyp> catphish, here's the python script I've been using to test stuff: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/WhcZU
2018-08-23T17:37:58 < zyp> apparently I don't have a separate git branch with the proxy firmware, but the code is still left in the main firmware: https://cgit.jvnv.net/cardio/tree/main.cpp
2018-08-23T17:38:57 < zyp> to use it, uncomment lines 90-166 and comment out lines 515-520 and 524-582
2018-08-23T17:43:43 < englishman> mawk: what do you mean when you say accumulator?
2018-08-23T17:43:52 < catphish> zyp: thanks, saved it :)
2018-08-23T17:43:59 < Laurenceb> zyp: how fast did you get mass storage class to go?
2018-08-23T17:44:16 < catphish> englishman: he clearly means an 18650 cell
2018-08-23T17:44:18 < zyp> catphish, let me know if you need help building it
2018-08-23T17:44:29 < zyp> Laurenceb, dunno, haven't really benchmarked it
2018-08-23T17:45:00 < Laurenceb> do it :P
2018-08-23T17:45:15 < Laurenceb> I'd like to see some stm32 MSC thats actually fast
2018-08-23T17:45:16 < englishman> catphish I ask cuz it's not a word I'd use even in french but I don't know france-french
2018-08-23T17:45:25 < Laurenceb> I managed to get to 1MB/s
2018-08-23T17:45:37 < catphish> englishman: i don't think anyone has used the term in about 80 years
2018-08-23T17:45:53 < englishman> except the french apparently
2018-08-23T17:46:54 < zyp> Laurenceb, I did some messing around with mass storage and SDIO some years ago, the sram->usb side worked fast enough to keep up with the host, just ran into flow control every time I had to load a new sector from the card to ram
2018-08-23T17:47:10 < Laurenceb> yeah thats what I struggled with
2018-08-23T17:47:14 < catphish> most people say battery, i prefer to differentiate "cell" from "battery" where possible
2018-08-23T17:47:22 < Laurenceb> but I called it a day as it was close enough to 12mbps
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2018-08-23T17:47:43 < Laurenceb> st demo code was utterly shit, as was chibios mass storage
2018-08-23T17:47:49 < Laurenceb> like 100kBps
2018-08-23T17:47:54 < zyp> I got a screenshot somewhere
2018-08-23T17:48:08 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/5pyzn.png <- here
2018-08-23T17:48:27 < Laurenceb> erm
2018-08-23T17:48:37 < Laurenceb> I'm guessing its poss to work out from that...
2018-08-23T17:48:39 < zyp> the [x POLL] thing is flow control, i.e. how many times the host polled before receiving a reply
2018-08-23T17:48:40 < catphish> i'm having trouble understanding how crystals work, do they just conduct at one frequency, or is it way more complicated than that?
2018-08-23T17:49:57 < zyp> Laurenceb, and yes, if you wanna calculate the timestamp deltas you can get an idea of the speed
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2018-08-23T17:50:43 < Laurenceb>  ~650kBps
2018-08-23T17:51:16 < Laurenceb> not too bad
2018-08-23T17:51:47 < Laurenceb> exact performance depends on the host drivers and stuff
2018-08-23T17:52:12 < zyp> looks like 921 kB/s to me, looking at the fast part
2018-08-23T17:52:13 < Laurenceb> catphish: xtal impedance is complex, but drops to ~100ohm at resonant frequency
2018-08-23T17:53:09 < zyp> between 230922 and 230946 it transfers 6*64B in 417 uS
2018-08-23T17:53:18 < Laurenceb> ah yeah
2018-08-23T17:53:40 < Laurenceb> I got about that as mean speed on lunix
2018-08-23T17:54:02 < Laurenceb> prob close to limit of the hardware 
2018-08-23T17:54:14 < Laurenceb> chibios btfo
2018-08-23T17:55:31 < zyp> what hardware?
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2018-08-23T17:55:50 < catphish> Laurenceb: thanks, hopefully that's the only thing i need, just to pass through the signal at resonant frequency, either between 2 amps, or in the feedback network of one amp
2018-08-23T17:56:27 < zyp> Laurenceb, the device can't feed data faster than the host is polling for it, the device is not the bottleneck here
2018-08-23T17:57:39 < Laurenceb> oh
2018-08-23T17:57:45 < Laurenceb> interesting ok
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2018-08-23T18:18:43 < mawk> englishman that's how I say in french, accu
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2018-08-23T18:18:59 < mawk> to differentiate between rechargeable and non rechargeabld
2018-08-23T18:19:15 < mawk> but only for round batteries, for flat cells we just say battery
2018-08-23T18:19:18 < englishman> yeah I asked a fellow frog as well, was surprised as that word is never used here
2018-08-23T18:19:22 < mawk> or for car batteries
2018-08-23T18:19:50 < mawk> yeah the usage is starting to drop
2018-08-23T18:19:58 < englishman> piles, I guess
2018-08-23T18:20:00 < englishman> for round
2018-08-23T18:20:07 < mawk> old people say it, maybe
2018-08-23T18:20:09 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-23T18:20:17 < mawk> pile for non rechargeable
2018-08-23T18:20:23 < zyp> I think accu kinda exists in norway too, but it's super old fashioned
2018-08-23T18:20:36 < englishman> ne way thanks
2018-08-23T18:21:08 < englishman> working on electronics in french is a trip
2018-08-23T18:21:14 < mawk> lol
2018-08-23T18:21:38 < mawk> most of electronics linguo is plain english or litteral translation from english
2018-08-23T18:21:48 < englishman> courant continu
2018-08-23T18:22:10 < mawk> sometimes acronyms are translated but most of the time reversing the letters is enough
2018-08-23T18:22:16 < mawk> LED => DEL
2018-08-23T18:22:27 < aandrew> englishman: I ran int o a bit of that when I was working in industrial power eelectronics
2018-08-23T18:22:33 < aandrew> we had a lot of quebec contracts
2018-08-23T18:22:46 < englishman> I bet
2018-08-23T18:23:25 < aandrew> hydro, mining and timber were the big ones IIRC
2018-08-23T18:23:25 < zyp> sometimes they do stupid acronym translations in norwegian too
2018-08-23T18:23:42 < zyp> LGBT -> LHBT
2018-08-23T18:23:54 < zyp> guess what the H stands for
2018-08-23T18:24:13 < aandrew> never forget Tembec in la sarre
2018-08-23T18:24:42 < aandrew> bunch of long legged frogs who developed their own laser scanning and planning system for incoming lumber
2018-08-23T18:24:49 < aandrew> everything was automated and amazing
2018-08-23T18:25:17 < aandrew> tree trunks go in, and 20m later the log is cut up to maximize profit according to current demand and on its way into a kiln
2018-08-23T18:26:26 < aandrew> these guys were smart as hell, and up in the middle of nowhere
2018-08-23T18:27:16 < aandrew> I think the farthest north I've ever been in QC was chibougamau though
2018-08-23T18:27:56 < englishman> cool
2018-08-23T18:28:41 < englishman> well that's pretty far
2018-08-23T18:28:55 < aandrew> I thought I'd been up farther but looking at the map that's the farthest I've been in QC
2018-08-23T18:29:29 < aandrew> moosonee in ON
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2018-08-23T18:55:09 < mawk> when the LiPo charger uses a constant current for battery voltage under 4V, the resulting voltage is majored by 4V, right
2018-08-23T18:55:22 < mawk> even if a boost converter is connected in parallel with the battery
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2018-08-23T19:14:28 < englishman> majored?
2018-08-23T19:14:46 < englishman> voltage will vary during the current limit phase
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2018-08-23T19:16:39 < mawk> lesser or equal to
2018-08-23T19:16:50 < mawk> I thought it was an english word
2018-08-23T19:17:01 < mawk> maybe a bit restricted to mathematical talking
2018-08-23T19:17:26 < mawk> voltage will vary, but stay under 4V ? was my question
2018-08-23T19:17:46 < englishman> typically yes
2018-08-23T19:18:02 < mawk> so even with something connected in parallel with the battery
2018-08-23T19:18:20 < englishman> some cheap chargers go a little higher before going to the constant voltage phase, but test the resting cell for voltage periodically
2018-08-23T19:18:42 < englishman> or maybe expensive chargers. i forget
2018-08-23T19:19:11 < englishman> yes across the battery
2018-08-23T19:19:27 < mawk> according to the datasheet it's what my charger does yes
2018-08-23T19:19:32 < mawk> stay under 4V for the CC phase
2018-08-23T19:19:43 < mawk> but it's for the normal situation, not with a parallel load attached
2018-08-23T19:19:50 < mawk> the charger is TP4056
2018-08-23T19:20:28 < englishman> with a load connected, it should look to the charger like the battery's internal resistance is lower
2018-08-23T19:20:42 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-23T19:20:56 < englishman> and if your charger is testing internal resistance and changing things because of it, it is a very high end charger indeed
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2018-08-23T19:27:31 < englishman> mawk's charger in action https://i.imgur.com/jjV54n2.gifv
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2018-08-23T19:30:41 < BrainDamage> testing fire resistance
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2018-08-23T19:32:18 < mawk> :(
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2018-08-23T20:29:29 < catphish> well the ebay DCF77 receiver works amazingly
2018-08-23T20:29:55 < Steffanx> :)
2018-08-23T20:30:20 < catphish> i just wish i could buy the IC packaged and put it on my board :(
2018-08-23T20:31:40 < catphish> it seems to have nice AGC too
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2018-08-23T21:24:53 < catphish> i think i'm'a give in and design with a header for a https://www.mas-oy.com/portfolio/modules/
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2018-08-23T21:44:05 < Steffanx> :P
2018-08-23T21:46:23 < kakimir> hello evening
2018-08-23T21:47:36 < Steffanx> Welcome mr kakimir
2018-08-23T21:47:40 < Steffanx> How are you today?
2018-08-23T21:48:28 < kakimir> fancy
2018-08-23T21:50:33 < Steffanx> im happy for you
2018-08-23T21:51:18 < kakimir> too fancy
2018-08-23T21:51:30 < kakimir> let's play a game of chess Steffanx?
2018-08-23T21:51:41 < Steffanx> irc chess?
2018-08-23T21:52:11 < Steffanx>  /kickban kakimir Checkmate
2018-08-23T21:52:12 < Steffanx> :P
2018-08-23T21:55:45 < kakimir> chess.com maybe
2018-08-23T21:56:25 < Cracki> all .com domains are porn. prove me wrong.
2018-08-23T21:56:37 < catphish> chess wouldn't work online, you need to see the fear in your opponents eyes
2018-08-23T21:56:45 < Cracki> chatroulette
2018-08-23T21:57:40 < kakimir> catphish: you don't have eye contact or talk during chess game
2018-08-23T21:57:48 < kakimir> or show emotion
2018-08-23T21:58:43 < kakimir> or move nothing but your eyes and your hand to move the pawns
2018-08-23T22:00:11 < Steffanx> Real chess pros are autists and those are known for lack of eye contact.
2018-08-23T22:00:21 < kakimir> oh
2018-08-23T22:01:36 < Steffanx> :)
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2018-08-23T22:09:58 < Steffanx> Let's make any os run a proper os: https://github.com/felixrieseberg/windows95/releases
2018-08-23T22:10:54 < BrainDamage> >x86 virtualization in JavaScript,
2018-08-23T22:11:10 < BrainDamage> now I know what future nightmares will be made of
2018-08-23T22:11:21 < Cracki> webfpga
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2018-08-23T22:22:43 < Laurenceb__> catphish: what is rhs ? https://i.imgur.com/dGj8pWg.jpg
2018-08-23T22:26:49 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/uvfcgk2jl/
2018-08-23T22:28:00 < catphish> Laurenceb__: rhs?
2018-08-23T22:28:34 < catphish> oh right hand side, those are zyp's RFID readers
2018-08-23T22:29:13 < Laurenceb__> ah cool
2018-08-23T22:29:58 < Laurenceb__> lower link is how I imagine reddit posters
2018-08-23T22:29:59 < catphish> i'm using them as an early prototype for my system since they use the same RFID chips and STM32s as my design
2018-08-23T22:30:05 < Steffanx> Are you authorized yet, catphish ?
2018-08-23T22:30:15 < catphish> Steffanx: what who?
2018-08-23T22:30:31 < Steffanx> Read whats on the stuff mr Z sent you :P
2018-08-23T22:30:37 < Laurenceb__> catphish: who are you making these things for?
2018-08-23T22:31:44 < catphish> Laurenceb__: they're for sports (orienteering) timing, they're designed to be simple, low cost, low maintenance, ideal target market is schools
2018-08-23T22:32:13 < Laurenceb__> oh v smart
2018-08-23T22:32:37 < Laurenceb__> but orienteering is probably the dorkiest sport evar :P
2018-08-23T22:32:43 < catphish> ideally they can be installed semi-permenantly around a campus, then people can run to them and record times
2018-08-23T22:32:56 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2018-08-23T22:33:04 < Laurenceb__> yesterday I saw some bus spotters
2018-08-23T22:33:06 < catphish> lol, i've got really into it lately, great balance of fitness and nerdiness
2018-08-23T22:33:13 < Laurenceb__> thats got to be even dorkier
2018-08-23T22:34:35 < englishman> geocaching 2.0
2018-08-23T22:34:51 < englishman> instead of digging around in a tree you just tap your phone against the tree and go back to twittering
2018-08-23T22:34:52 < Steffanx> next thing is people want to be able to use their phone, better support NFC catphish
2018-08-23T22:35:31 < Steffanx> but i assume it already does?
2018-08-23T22:35:44 < catphish> Steffanx: it *is* NFC, i'm hoping ultimately phones can be used in 2 different ways 1) as the tag 2) to view the results from a passive tag
2018-08-23T22:37:50 < catphish> but initially, the stations are active, the things users carry around are passive (cheap wristbands), and the results can be read on a PC or phone
2018-08-23T22:38:30 < catphish> RTC can be sync'd with these MAS timecode modules
2018-08-23T22:38:43 < BrainDamage> gps module too expensive?
2018-08-23T22:38:59 < BrainDamage> it has the advantage it knows its position automatically too
2018-08-23T22:39:08 < Steffanx> Oh, i thought you were using RFID, because range and stuff
2018-08-23T22:39:32 < catphish> i'm not certain, but i suspect the DCF77 module is cheaper, more reliable (under cover), and less power hungry
2018-08-23T22:40:09 < Steffanx> but you use 13.56MHz iirc, so probably a bit dumb :P
2018-08-23T22:40:15 < Steffanx> (me)
2018-08-23T22:40:47 < catphish> i did consider that location would be a cool bonus of gps so not out of the queston, but i worry about reliabilty / power
2018-08-23T22:41:09 < BrainDamage> more reliable sure, power remember that you can cycle them
2018-08-23T22:41:22 < BrainDamage> if you cache the position you can do hot starts and sleep again
2018-08-23T22:41:25 < catphish> hopefully nfc range will be fine, 27.12MHz NFC
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2018-08-23T22:42:08 < catphish> cost is critical though
2018-08-23T22:43:09 < Steffanx> Why NFC? Isn't "just" RFID more meant for tracking purposes?
2018-08-23T22:44:02 < cpctr> Meltdown
2018-08-23T22:44:19 < catphish> to be honest, the decision was made on a whim for 2 reasons 1) NFC can use a PCB antenna 2) i couldn't find low frequency writable tags, the bitrate may be a bit slow to support writing very well
2018-08-23T22:44:32 < Steffanx> dont die, cpctr
2018-08-23T22:44:42 < cpctr> Hi sir
2018-08-23T22:44:52 < catphish> and as a bonus, 3) NFS can be read with a phone
2018-08-23T22:44:55 < catphish> *NFC
2018-08-23T22:45:26 < Rickta59> stm32f0 question .. and gdb 
2018-08-23T22:45:46 < Rickta59> so i've been playing with a minimal asm only setup 
2018-08-23T22:45:56 < Rickta59> works fine .. but i'm not making gdb happy in some way
2018-08-23T22:46:21 < Rickta59> i get this message "Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?)"
2018-08-23T22:46:47 < Rickta59> which is fine .. Reset_handler calls a function .. so there isn't really anything above the called function
2018-08-23T22:47:38 < upgrdman> seems like most ADCs with >50MSPS have an input range of 2Vpp or less. is this common? 
2018-08-23T22:47:52 < upgrdman> i guess thats fine, since i want to measure up to 12V so i'll need dividers anyway
2018-08-23T22:48:03 < Rickta59> https://dpaste.de/7Ya4 for the message
2018-08-23T22:49:15 < Rickta59> and the code https://dpaste.de/W1R3
2018-08-23T22:51:11 < Rickta59> https://dpaste.de/M8Wd that looks better
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2018-08-23T23:05:12 < Cracki> upgrdman, what do you think about using an opamp to attenuate the input signal?
2018-08-23T23:05:49 < upgrdman> should be fine, and might go that rought if a resistive divider fucks with my bandwidth too much
2018-08-23T23:06:55 < upgrdman> for fun, and to stress test my Telemetry Viewer software, im thinking about making an 8-channel 100MSPS oscope-like thing. with an fpga and usb3 asic
2018-08-23T23:07:36 < upgrdman> not sure how much i want to spend on this toy project though. ~$20 per ADC, so each board may be ~$200 in BoM cost
2018-08-23T23:08:11 < englishman> surely you can just write random data to it
2018-08-23T23:08:26 < upgrdman> englishman, well ya, but i kinda want a useful tool as well
2018-08-23T23:08:54 < upgrdman> and 8-channels of analog would be nice
2018-08-23T23:09:28 < upgrdman> but at 100MSPS i don't think i'd have enough usb3 bandwidth, so maybe i'll settle for 50MSPS
2018-08-23T23:10:22 < upgrdman> on the other hand, this project could waste ass loads of my time and maybe i should stick to normal-people-hobbies instead :)
2018-08-23T23:10:25 < englishman> thunderbolt v3 then
2018-08-23T23:11:51 < upgrdman> whats the fastest stm32 adc? 5MSPS ?
2018-08-23T23:12:23 < Steffanx> 7.2
2018-08-23T23:12:28 < Steffanx> or something
2018-08-23T23:12:35 < Steffanx> but that is with multiple ADCs
2018-08-23T23:12:54 < Steffanx> oh make it 18M
2018-08-23T23:13:09 < catphish> 5 Msps in the STM32l4 i use
2018-08-23T23:13:18 < catphish> dunno if there's anything faster
2018-08-23T23:14:04 < Steffanx> F3 can do 5, but 18 in interleaved mode.
2018-08-23T23:15:13 < catphish> l4 has 3 ADCs, so i guess that's 5 Msps * 3
2018-08-23T23:15:52 < catphish> do people often need more than 5Msps?
2018-08-23T23:16:27 < catphish> i guess if you're doing RF :)
2018-08-23T23:17:38 < upgrdman> catphish, well if you're making an oscope, >4GSPS isn't rare :)
2018-08-23T23:18:25 < qyx> F3 shoudl be able to do 4*9.something in 4 ADC interleaved 6 bit
2018-08-23T23:18:28 < qyx> ~40msps
2018-08-23T23:18:31 < Thorn> DDC SDR
2018-08-23T23:21:00 < Steffanx> uh what F3 is that qyx ?
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2018-08-23T23:21:41 < qyx> the one with 4 ADCs
2018-08-23T23:25:48 < qyx> 72MHz ADC clock, 1.5bit sampling, 6bit resolution -> 9.6msps iirc per adc
2018-08-23T23:29:12 < karlp> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/texas-instruments/ADC08060CIMTX-NOPB/296-35366-2-ND/1576944 is only $2
2018-08-23T23:30:02 < Cracki> 6 bits, that's some blocky data
2018-08-23T23:31:05 < karlp> this are only $10, and you get two cahnnels https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/maxim-integrated/MAX19506ETM/MAX19506ETM-ND/2044675
2018-08-23T23:33:10 < karlp> 19505 is 65M instead of 100, but cheaper.
2018-08-23T23:38:31 < upgrdman> oh ya. i was looking at 10bit and 12bit, forgot i had that filter applied. ya 8bit is ~half the price :)
2018-08-23T23:45:58 < cpctr> Bits
2018-08-23T23:46:16 < cpctr> I like bits
2018-08-23T23:47:21 < karlp> the maxim one is probaby the cheapest per channel if 8bits is enough.
2018-08-23T23:49:48 < Laurenceb__> qyx: until you run out of memory bandwidth on the stm32
2018-08-23T23:49:57 < Laurenceb__> aiui thats the limiting factor on F3
2018-08-23T23:50:22 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/hih9azr5d/
2018-08-23T23:54:04 < cpctr> hi Laurenceb__ 
2018-08-23T23:54:13 < cpctr> what's that picture?
2018-08-23T23:54:47 < Laurenceb__> typical vice """news"""
2018-08-23T23:55:52 < cpctr> i wonder if the public is ready for this image
2018-08-23T23:57:31 < cpctr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paNZBqMvYyE
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2018-08-24T00:01:13 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-08-24T00:01:30 < Laurenceb__>  "gonna spash ur" is da new London threat
2018-08-24T00:02:26 < cpctr> idk what that one means
2018-08-24T00:02:55 < Laurenceb__> >what is an acid attack
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2018-08-24T00:04:10 < Laurenceb__> wew I made it to /news/
2018-08-24T00:04:13 < bitmask> ethics is now done! just gotta finish this paper for capstone and no more school
2018-08-24T00:04:37 < Laurenceb__> I found the 8chan global moderator on vivastreet and posted her profile
2018-08-24T00:06:04 < Steffanx>  /iDontGiveAFuck/..
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2018-08-24T00:16:15 < Laurenceb__> q predicted this
2018-08-24T00:32:53 < zyp> englishman, geocaching 2.0 already exists, it's called ingress :p
2018-08-24T00:33:04 < zyp> and then you have geocaching 2.1 - pokemon go as well
2018-08-24T00:34:24 < zyp> Steffanx, how do you distinguish RFID and NFC?
2018-08-24T00:35:02 < Steffanx> I thought nfc was just some subset of rfid and semi-fixed freq
2018-08-24T00:36:44 < zyp> well, yeah
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2018-08-24T00:37:34 < zyp> RFID seems to be sort of a catch-all term for systems with passive tags
2018-08-24T00:37:41 < zyp> i.e. powered by the field
2018-08-24T00:42:15 < zyp> I think in a strict sense the NFC specs mostly defines higher layer protocols that a lot of stuff which in practice is called NFC is not using
2018-08-24T00:43:09 < catphish> i believe nfc is a specific standard (or set of standards), rfid is a broad term that mostly refers to passive very low frequency stuff
2018-08-24T00:43:18 < catphish> but there's some overlap
2018-08-24T00:43:46 < zyp> I think most/all NFC stuff is covered by the RFID umbrella
2018-08-24T00:44:52 < zyp> using a mifare card or a ntag or whatever to store NDEF messages is NFC, but I'm not sure storing raw data on the same cards counts as NFC
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2018-08-24T00:44:57 < Steffanx> Some even call bluetooth based stuff "active rfid" meh
2018-08-24T00:45:55 < zyp> I would argue that trying to define the terms in practice is fairly futile because nobody is gonna follow it anyway
2018-08-24T00:47:04 < zyp> so might as well just call it RFID/NFC anyway as long as it's based on the same protocols NFC is building on
2018-08-24T00:49:10 < Laurenceb__> reee I hate audiophool gear
2018-08-24T00:49:33 < Laurenceb__> >swapped my shitty preamp for 48v phantom power unit with no gain
2018-08-24T00:49:45 < Laurenceb__> >signal is shitty and distorted
2018-08-24T00:50:42 < Laurenceb__> >xlr line signal is 600ohm impedance, but condenser mic inputs are 2kΩ
2018-08-24T00:51:22 < cpctr> Audio gear
2018-08-24T00:51:28 < cpctr> Just don’t use it lol
2018-08-24T00:51:37 < cpctr> It’ll make you ill trust me
2018-08-24T00:51:45 < Laurenceb__> also megabux 48v unit is generating 36.5v
2018-08-24T00:51:47 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2018-08-24T00:52:03 < cpctr> Yeah it’s not meant to be precise
2018-08-24T00:52:11 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-08-24T00:52:34 < cpctr> This is audiophile niggery
2018-08-24T00:52:36 < Laurenceb__> my shitty preamp is 43v and actually works properly
2018-08-24T00:52:54 < Laurenceb__> apart from some noise/crosstalk at low gain
2018-08-24T00:53:10 < Laurenceb__> >this is actually better than the pro audiophool shit
2018-08-24T00:53:24 < catphish> Laurenceb__: did you look at decoding dcf77 by the way? not sure whether to do it with interrupts and manual counting, or an input compare timer, or something else, is there an obvious choice?
2018-08-24T00:53:57 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2018-08-24T00:54:04 < Laurenceb__> I'd use dma from adc then batch process
2018-08-24T00:54:08 < zyp> if you're gonna be reading pulse widths, timer is an obvious choice
2018-08-24T00:54:27 < Laurenceb__> bbl
2018-08-24T00:54:37 < catphish> Laurenceb__: adc seems like an unnecessary overhead, it's already demodulated
2018-08-24T00:54:40 < Laurenceb__> zyp: u have to decode first
2018-08-24T00:54:42 < Laurenceb__> oh ok
2018-08-24T00:54:48 < Laurenceb__> then ur home and dry
2018-08-24T00:54:54 < catphish> i think i'll try a timer / input compare
2018-08-24T00:55:02 < Laurenceb__> just sleep the stm32 and use timer capture
2018-08-24T00:55:04 < zyp> if it's digital pulses, feed it to a timer, then either interrupts or DMA from the timer
2018-08-24T00:55:16 < catphish> it's just nice clean binary pulses of 2 possible lengths :)
2018-08-24T00:55:36 < zyp> you can set up DMA to capture a list of pulses and process the list later
2018-08-24T00:56:31 < catphish> looks like http://michas-hp.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/dcf77-signal.jpg
2018-08-24T00:57:00 < catphish> so, 60 pulses, one per second, i need to capture the length of each
2018-08-24T00:57:21 < zyp> that's exactly what timer input capture does
2018-08-24T00:57:23 < catphish> can the input compare timer do that? ie start on a high transition and stop on a low transition?
2018-08-24T00:57:30 < zyp> yes
2018-08-24T00:57:39 < catphish> yay, then the work is done for me
2018-08-24T00:57:43 < zyp> you set it up to reset on going low and capture on going high
2018-08-24T00:57:50 < zyp> that way you get the time from low to high
2018-08-24T00:58:10 < catphish> actully my receiver inverts it to give high pulses, but same ide
2018-08-24T00:58:12 < catphish> *idea
2018-08-24T00:58:15 < zyp> and them capture event as a DMA trigger, so the time gets shuffled directly to a DMA buffer
2018-08-24T00:58:43 < cpctr> Good morning zyp
2018-08-24T00:58:47 < zyp> then after DMA has finished capturing enough pulses, DMA complete event wakes up cpu to process it
2018-08-24T00:58:48 < catphish> that sounds ideal, so dma can contain a ring of the last 60 pulse lengths
2018-08-24T00:59:03 < catphish> and i can just wake up and scan over the list
2018-08-24T00:59:18 < catphish> does dma even work while sleeping?
2018-08-24T00:59:27 < zyp> depends how deep you sleep
2018-08-24T00:59:33 < catphish> i'll check the modes :)
2018-08-24T00:59:35 < zyp> doesn't work in the deepest modes
2018-08-24T00:59:45 < zyp> so you wouldn't want to run it all the time
2018-08-24T00:59:47 < catphish> i'm just being lazy now, i know all this information is in the manual
2018-08-24T01:00:29 < catphish> i'll likely only wake a couple of times a day, shallow sleep to capture maybe 100 pulses, process them then deep sleep again
2018-08-24T01:01:56 < Steffanx> Perhaps a lptimer can help a bit
2018-08-24T01:02:13 < Steffanx> But probably not with dma
2018-08-24T01:02:34 < catphish> oh, i had one other question, is the low frequency external oscillator required for RTC, or can it run from an internal clock?
2018-08-24T01:02:47 < zyp> lptimer waking up cpu with interrupt every second might be more efficient than shallow sleep and dma though
2018-08-24T01:03:06 < zyp> RTC can run from internal clock, but won't be very accurate
2018-08-24T01:03:28 < zyp> and deep sleep modes turns off the high speed clocks anyway
2018-08-24T01:03:46 < zyp> so for low power RTC you absolutely want a LSE crystal
2018-08-24T01:04:25 < catphish> hmm, looks like there's an internal low speed oscillator, not sure how useful it is
2018-08-24T01:05:18 < zyp> not at all, it drifts between like 20kHz and 50kHz
2018-08-24T01:05:26 < zyp> it's only useful for IWDG, not timekeeping
2018-08-24T01:06:05 < catphish> datasheet says 5% accuracy, so garbage
2018-08-24T01:06:25 < zyp> idk what chip you're looking at now, my numbers are from f4
2018-08-24T01:06:29 < zyp> :)
2018-08-24T01:06:31 < catphish> like is l4
2018-08-24T01:06:47 < catphish> although i don't know why i'm looking at that, my project uses l0
2018-08-24T01:06:55 < catphish> i'm just an idiot
2018-08-24T01:07:35 < zyp> https://www.st.com/resource/en/datasheet/stm32l031e6.pdf <- page 73 says LSI is specced to run between 26 and 56 kHz
2018-08-24T01:08:26 < catphish> yeah i won't use that :)
2018-08-24T01:08:31 < catphish> lse will be fine
2018-08-24T01:08:53 < catphish> i was hoping i might not need the extra crystal, clearly i do
2018-08-24T01:08:58 < zyp> clock crystals costs pretty much nothing anyway
2018-08-24T01:09:15 < catphish> that's fine
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2018-08-24T01:09:55 < zyp> hmm, I've paid $.19 for the ones I've used
2018-08-24T01:10:00 < catphish> :)
2018-08-24T01:11:06 < catphish> £0.28 for the ones i spec'd
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2018-08-24T01:13:25 < catphish> i'm trying to fit everything into the pins on a tssop20 stm32
2018-08-24T01:14:37 < zyp> remember to add a buzzer
2018-08-24T01:14:47 < catphish> i have that now
2018-08-24T01:14:52 < zyp> :)
2018-08-24T01:15:01 < catphish> but with the rtc i'm one pin short now, may need to sacrifice usart RX
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2018-08-24T01:15:34 < zyp> better than sacrificing swd :p
2018-08-24T01:15:52 < catphish> indeed
2018-08-24T01:16:04 < catphish> tx is needed for debugging, rx not so much
2018-08-24T01:16:12 < zyp> I'd probably just switch to qfp48 or whatever other larger package is cheap
2018-08-24T01:16:47 < zyp> nah, swd is needed for debugging :p
2018-08-24T01:17:12 < catphish> tssop20 is cheaper though :(
2018-08-24T01:17:33 < catphish> i don't believe one can do serial io over swd
2018-08-24T01:17:39 < zyp> if you're short on pins, I suggest throwing the status led on uart tx, status led and debug output can coexist just fine
2018-08-24T01:17:42 < catphish> so i wanted to keep the usart just in case
2018-08-24T01:17:51 < catphish> but really there's unlikely a need for rx
2018-08-24T01:18:06 < catphish> that's a good point
2018-08-24T01:18:09 < zyp> you can either do semihosting or something like segger rtt over swd
2018-08-24T01:19:45 < zyp> how big is the price difference, how much is the price difference multiplied by the number of boards you're planning to make? is that saving worth the inconvenience?
2018-08-24T01:21:38 < catphish> this is where i am so far: https://nutty.tk/nfc7.pdf
2018-08-24T01:22:56 < catphish> the LED could easily with USART_TX with is only used for debugging, freeing USART_RX for use, and everyone's happy
2018-08-24T01:22:58 < zyp> rtc_* signals seems badly named
2018-08-24T01:23:36 < catphish> perhaps TIMECODE_*
2018-08-24T01:24:41 < Thorn> why no resistor on the speaker but 2 on the led lol
2018-08-24T01:24:48 < zyp> I don't see a wakeup button, are you confident field detect would be good enough?
2018-08-24T01:25:12 < zyp> Thorn, probably to minimize number of BOM lines
2018-08-24T01:25:22 < catphish> Thorn: 1) i hope the speaker doesn't need one, but i must test to check 2) 2 resistors is cheaper then one :)
2018-08-24T01:25:32 < Laurenceb__> oh you found ST95HF
2018-08-24T01:25:33 < Laurenceb__> sweet
2018-08-24T01:25:41 < zyp> Laurenceb__, that's what I'm using
2018-08-24T01:25:44 < catphish> yeah it's purely a BOM count thing
2018-08-24T01:25:47 < Thorn> also 100nF cap on nrst
2018-08-24T01:25:54 < Laurenceb__> oh i see
2018-08-24T01:26:07  * catphish adds cap
2018-08-24T01:27:22 < zyp> catphish, by the way, have you checked voltage range of the ST95HF?
2018-08-24T01:27:33 < catphish> yeah, it sees pretty chill
2018-08-24T01:27:38 < zyp> okay, good
2018-08-24T01:27:41 < mawk> https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/6/9/0/1/11269-01.jpg
2018-08-24T01:27:47 < cpctr> Bomb
2018-08-24T01:27:47 < mawk> these suckers are a pain to solder
2018-08-24T01:28:06 < mawk> at the end of a wire pair
2018-08-24T01:28:12 < catphish> zyp: 2.7 - 5.5
2018-08-24T01:28:16 < cpctr> Make they just headers?
2018-08-24T01:28:16 < zyp> mawk, why the fuck
2018-08-24T01:28:25 < catphish> zyp: for both logic and tx power
2018-08-24T01:28:25 < mawk> why not ?
2018-08-24T01:28:38 < mawk> I only have that to solder to the wires
2018-08-24T01:29:03 < catphish> with 3.0 typical voltage for both, so perfect for my lithium metal supply
2018-08-24T01:29:17 < zyp> mawk, because you get similar shit that's actually designed to be attached to wires instead of a board
2018-08-24T01:29:55 < zyp> catphish, I'm not familiar with 3V primary cells, how much do they drop by the time they're empty?
2018-08-24T01:30:43 < zyp> hmm
2018-08-24T01:31:40 < zyp> my xiaomi temperature sensors have been reporting >2.975V for the ten months they've been running, so I guess they are fairly stable
2018-08-24T01:31:55 < zyp> they have actually been increasing in voltage for the past half year :p
2018-08-24T01:32:10 < catphish> zyp: that's actually a good question, i initially read that they were very stable at 3.0 until nearly depleted, but need to check
2018-08-24T01:32:29 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/4ab9X.png
2018-08-24T01:32:52 < catphish> is that lithium metal?
2018-08-24T01:33:04 < catphish> also, is there anything you don't know?
2018-08-24T01:33:09 < zyp> these are the typical CR whatever lithium cells
2018-08-24T01:33:17 < catphish> cool
2018-08-24T01:33:23 < catphish> i'm looking to use cr123a
2018-08-24T01:33:48 < zyp> like I said, I got a bunch of xiaomi temperature sensors that I've been sticking here and there, and logging everything
2018-08-24T01:34:01 < catphish> seems like they maintain 3.0v at low current
2018-08-24T01:34:11 < zyp> so it seems
2018-08-24T01:34:23 < catphish> need to make sure my current spikes don't cause a problem
2018-08-24T01:34:48 < zyp> I'm curious how the voltage curve is gonna look before the battery goes out
2018-08-24T01:34:57 < zyp> if there suddenly will be a steep drop
2018-08-24T01:35:08 < catphish> i hope like this https://cdn.hackaday.io/images/187771472874899108.png
2018-08-24T01:35:22 < zyp> and how long time from the drop becomes detectable before the sensor shuts down
2018-08-24T01:35:52 < zyp> rechargable cells are like that
2018-08-24T01:36:24 < catphish> here's some ramblings i read on the subject https://hackaday.io/project/11864-tritiled/log/45011-estimating-battery-lifetime
2018-08-24T01:36:53 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/AcHkc.png <- I once spent a workday mainly just logging this, x axis is minutes
2018-08-24T01:37:22 < zyp> the end is quite obvious
2018-08-24T01:37:29 < catphish> that's a beautifully flat curve
2018-08-24T01:37:36 < catphish> (until the end)
2018-08-24T01:37:52 < catphish> s/flat/predictable
2018-08-24T01:38:00 < zyp> this was a mcu constantly streaming data, no sleep
2018-08-24T01:38:06 < zyp> 330mAh cell or something
2018-08-24T01:38:14 < catphish> nice and easy to measure % remaining
2018-08-24T01:38:33 < catphish> with the lithium metal i likely won't know it's low until it's too late
2018-08-24T01:38:36 < zyp> well, I figure temperature changes would shift the voltage up or down
2018-08-24T01:39:57 < zyp> anyway, if the batteries in the xiaomi sensors die within the next 4-5 months, I should be able to get some nice graphs of the entire lifetimes
2018-08-24T01:40:25 < zyp> otherwise there will be some discontinuties in the graphs when I take them down to move in january :p
2018-08-24T01:41:52 < zyp> hmm, it's late, I should be in bed
2018-08-24T01:42:21 < catphish> corrections: https://nutty.tk/nfc8.pdf
2018-08-24T01:42:50 < catphish> i am in bed, i seem not to sleep til after 2 lately though, too much interesting project
2018-08-24T01:43:06 < catphish> terrible habit working in bed
2018-08-24T01:43:11 < zyp> I generally don't bring my computer to bed
2018-08-24T01:43:31 < zyp> just stay too late at my desk instead
2018-08-24T01:44:38 < catphish> is there any benefit to using stm32 gpio as sink rather than source?
2018-08-24T01:44:52 < catphish> i'm doing so out of habit, but i think the ratings are the same
2018-08-24T01:45:36 < catphish> on the other hand, do sleep and ignore my questions :)
2018-08-24T01:46:28 < Cracki> open drain seems to be more efficient in general
2018-08-24T01:47:46 < Thorn> I guess it would make sense only if you're sinking a lot of current and want to ensure a certain voltage (see i/o performance tables in the datasheet)
2018-08-24T01:48:26 < Thorn> and even then there may be no advantage
2018-08-24T01:52:53 < Cracki> I'd rather source externally and hope the sinking capability of the chip is hooked to some good ground, than load the supply voltage of the controller
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2018-08-24T02:19:30 < _unreal_> sup
2018-08-24T02:19:44 < _unreal_> Making pork sholder tonight in the old dutch oven
2018-08-24T02:20:01 < _unreal_> :) the dog is going crazy
2018-08-24T02:20:30 < _unreal_> ....! he's literally banging his head on the wall near the oven
2018-08-24T02:21:47 < _unreal_> Ok so I'm about to purchase this.... ANY ONE know of a better deal then this? maybe more powerful controllers?
2018-08-24T02:21:56 < _unreal_> ! sorry worng channel
2018-08-24T02:21:57 < catphish> TIL a dutch oven is actually an oven
2018-08-24T02:22:34 < _unreal_> :) yes yes it is
2018-08-24T02:22:54 < Cracki> not dutch then
2018-08-24T02:22:54 < _unreal_> I have like 300 LBS of cast iron that I own... all kinds of cool stuff
2018-08-24T02:23:13 < _unreal_> Love my cast iron
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2018-08-24T03:05:37 < branjb> lots of recruiting emails from detroit lately
2018-08-24T03:07:10 < BrainDamage> do they advertise nighttime jobs, social engagements and ability to quickly form emotional connections?
2018-08-24T03:07:34 < branjb> they do advertise the cheap cost of living and housing lol
2018-08-24T03:08:23 < BrainDamage> at least with pimps the screwing is explicitly mentioned
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2018-08-24T04:46:46 < catphish> now can has mounting points and a speaker and somewhere to couple the timecode board https://imgur.com/a/h44T0X0 probably time to sleep
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2018-08-24T05:01:43 < catphish> ugh, the timer i chose doesn't support dma, new layout tomorrow :)
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2018-08-24T05:20:14 < branjb> pretty sure dongs would have a heart attack if he saw this: 
2018-08-24T05:20:15 < branjb> https://github.com/neu-rah/ArduinoMenu
2018-08-24T05:20:29 < branjb> entire menu system driven around macros
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2018-08-24T06:13:57 < branjb> anyone seen this error, google is useless
2018-08-24T06:13:58 < branjb> unable to initialize libusb: -99
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2018-08-24T06:33:28 < friendofafriend> Do you have libusb installed?
2018-08-24T06:34:03 < friendofafriend> "sudo apt-get install libusb-1.0-0" or whatever.
2018-08-24T06:35:00 < branjb> I do have it installed
2018-08-24T06:35:06 < cpctr> Engineering loicence
2018-08-24T06:35:27 < friendofafriend> What are you doing when you receive this message?
2018-08-24T06:38:55 < branjb> typing lsusb
2018-08-24T06:38:57 < branjb> lol
2018-08-24T06:41:03 < friendofafriend> Neat-o.  You probably don't have a driver for your USB controller initialized.
2018-08-24T06:41:33 < friendofafriend> See if you can figure out what sort of USB you have with lspci
2018-08-24T06:48:39 < branjb> how is that even possible
2018-08-24T06:48:44 < branjb> i am typing with a usb keyboard
2018-08-24T06:54:51 < friendofafriend> lspci | grep USB
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2018-08-24T07:21:01 < englishman> ok
2018-08-24T07:21:05 < englishman> so imagine juicero
2018-08-24T07:21:07 < englishman> but
2018-08-24T07:21:10 < englishman> it makes nachos instead
2018-08-24T07:21:15 < englishman> would you pay $1700 for this?
2018-08-24T07:22:25 < englishman> at least 60,000 people need to say yes
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2018-08-24T07:26:14 < friendofafriend> A Nachero?
2018-08-24T07:26:35 < englishman> how did you guess that? i will need you to sign an NDA
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2018-08-24T10:19:28 < cpctr> Cats
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2018-08-24T10:40:23 < qyx> Laurenceb: yes, I was not able to get more than 4x3Msps
2018-08-24T10:40:28 < qyx> but I didn't investigate it firther
2018-08-24T10:49:59 < cpctr> Quicks
2018-08-24T10:56:00 < kakimir> quick bucks
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2018-08-24T11:10:40 < kakimir> big dicks
2018-08-24T11:16:56 < botnico> hi. i have just tested a STLINK/V2 china clone. They do not seem to have a VREF or such target voltage sensing pin. Are they fixed to 3,3V operation?
2018-08-24T11:21:24 < zyp> probably
2018-08-24T11:36:40 < cpctr> now here's a bunch of cunts
2018-08-24T11:40:33 < kakimir> and a dick
2018-08-24T11:40:45 < zyp> cpctr, congrats with new prime minister
2018-08-24T11:41:11 < cpctr> hahaha it's great hey
2018-08-24T11:41:41 < cpctr> me and the boss were having a good laugh about how stupid these rejects are
2018-08-24T11:41:47 < cpctr> and then it popped up on tv
2018-08-24T11:41:51 < cpctr> we have a new PM
2018-08-24T11:42:33 < cpctr> the compulsory voting has got to go
2018-08-24T11:42:59 < cpctr> too much effort unless they pay me to do it
2018-08-24T11:43:30 < zyp> what, you have compulsory voting? how does that work?
2018-08-24T11:44:08 < cpctr> i dunno you get like a $50 fine if you don't
2018-08-24T11:44:20 < zyp> hah
2018-08-24T11:44:21 < kakimir> interesting
2018-08-24T11:44:36 < cpctr> i could write some horrible expletive on the ballot paper
2018-08-24T11:44:43 < cpctr> and nobody would know
2018-08-24T11:44:44 < kakimir> they should give you 50 when you vote
2018-08-24T11:44:47 < zyp> you can go, and then vote blank, I guess?
2018-08-24T11:44:51 < kakimir> not fine y ou when you don't
2018-08-24T11:44:53 < cpctr> yep
2018-08-24T11:45:05 < cpctr> i'm going to write something great next time
2018-08-24T11:45:20 < cpctr> it's going to be so vile it'll be on the news
2018-08-24T11:46:46 < kakimir> it's going to be so edgy it'll be on the 4chan
2018-08-24T11:46:51 < cpctr> heh 
2018-08-24T11:47:06 < cpctr> does anything happen on 4chan at all?
2018-08-24T11:47:43 < kakimir> idk.
2018-08-24T11:47:54 < kakimir> I have visited only like 3 times
2018-08-24T11:48:50 < cpctr> advised by blaxter?
2018-08-24T11:54:30 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-24T11:55:39 < cpctr> good c hoice
2018-08-24T11:55:44 < cpctr> i always click his links
2018-08-24T11:55:50 < cpctr> especially during a presentation
2018-08-24T11:56:09 < kakimir> it would be interesting
2018-08-24T11:56:36 < cpctr> i play the laurence video with it too
2018-08-24T11:57:40 < kakimir> accidentally paste blaxter links to in house chat
2018-08-24T11:58:41 < cpctr> ya
2018-08-24T11:58:49 < kakimir> but it's not even bad
2018-08-24T11:58:54 < cpctr> it is quality material 
2018-08-24T11:59:01 < cpctr> for the whole family 
2018-08-24T11:59:23 < cpctr> there is this chinese woman talking on the phone in the train
2018-08-24T11:59:38 < cpctr> sounded like she said 'negga negga negga negga'
2018-08-24T11:59:47 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-24T11:59:57 < kakimir> he I talking about you
2018-08-24T12:00:01 < kakimir> *she
2018-08-24T12:00:07 < kakimir> is
2018-08-24T12:00:13 < cpctr> doesn't look like it
2018-08-24T12:00:32 < kakimir> man I'm rambling
2018-08-24T12:00:32 < cpctr> shes just off in her own world staring at the phone and talking into it
2018-08-24T12:01:39 < cpctr> it'd be fun to learn the dialect
2018-08-24T12:01:47 < kakimir> I have asian coworker
2018-08-24T12:02:02 < kakimir> he talks to his wife 4/8hours of work day
2018-08-24T12:04:28 < kakimir> how would you detect if device was connected to 12v or 24v automotive system?
2018-08-24T12:04:57 < kakimir> I mean both can overlap both in glitches and transients
2018-08-24T12:05:55 < kakimir> hmm
2018-08-24T12:06:56 < zyp> cpctr, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrsWp07BwVk
2018-08-24T12:06:57 < kakimir> fifo for samples and add sample every loop pass
2018-08-24T12:10:15 < cpctr> ty zyp i'll review this a bit later
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2018-08-24T12:26:38 < Steffanx> Please dont feed cpctr with new quote-ware zyp :P
2018-08-24T12:28:11 < zyp> but that one is a classic :p
2018-08-24T12:31:29 < catphish> morning
2018-08-24T12:32:04 < kakimir> glory
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2018-08-24T12:42:11 < cpctr> ty for waiting zyp i can look now
2018-08-24T12:42:43 < cpctr> ty mate
2018-08-24T12:43:11 < cpctr> oh wow nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger 
2018-08-24T12:43:29 < cpctr> it's a wonder dongs didn't go to china instead of japan
2018-08-24T12:54:05 < kakimir> hmm
2018-08-24T12:54:21 < kakimir> I should go to china in winter
2018-08-24T12:54:32 < kakimir> work related visit
2018-08-24T12:54:49 < cpctr> yeah i've been offered twice
2018-08-24T12:55:27 < cpctr> minor pointless crap that i'd not expect to change/fix/improve anything
2018-08-24T12:57:15 < cpctr> what does the average chinaman in shenzhen receive daily? a bowl of rice?
2018-08-24T12:58:48 < kakimir> I wonder if my chinaman has done any gambling in loan markets
2018-08-24T13:00:57 < kakimir> apparently shtf with p2p illegal loan markets there
2018-08-24T13:05:00 < kakimir> at what battery voltage you concider car battery is actually charging?
2018-08-24T13:05:11 < kakimir> 12.8V even?
2018-08-24T13:07:31 < cpctr> i thought 13.8 was common estimated fuck
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2018-08-24T13:13:42 < Steffanx> Its recitified cpctr 
2018-08-24T13:13:58 < cpctr> yesh
2018-08-24T13:14:03 < cpctr> the rectiflyer
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2018-08-24T13:25:19 < kakimir> on the fly code architecture
2018-08-24T13:58:41 < cpctr> https://imgur.com/a/VWr5VCu
2018-08-24T13:58:46 < cpctr> this one for englishbot 
2018-08-24T13:58:54 < cpctr> * englishman
2018-08-24T14:02:05 < karlp> cpctr: what does compulsory voting have to do with this?  this was purely with the party.
2018-08-24T14:02:24 < cpctr> nothing
2018-08-24T14:02:31 < karlp> compulsory voting is awesome and should be more places.
2018-08-24T14:02:37 < cpctr> just reminded myself it's worth nothing
2018-08-24T14:02:57 < karlp> you saw the saem stupid facebook meme gettin shared around about it
2018-08-24T14:02:58 < cpctr> vote for one guy.... then another guy gets in 
2018-08-24T14:03:03 < cpctr> no
2018-08-24T14:03:06 < karlp> but you don't vote for that guy
2018-08-24T14:03:06 < cpctr> i don't use facebook
2018-08-24T14:03:13 < karlp> you vote for your rep in your seat,
2018-08-24T14:03:31 < cpctr> i'm too busy drawing cartoon pictures of cats on the ballot paper dude
2018-08-24T14:07:09 < cpctr> []
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2018-08-24T14:30:25 < zyp> karlp, what part of it is awesome?
2018-08-24T14:36:14 < karlp> changes teh way campaigning is done.
2018-08-24T14:36:36 < karlp> forces them to actually address issues and all people, rather than simply becomign a get out the vote competition.
2018-08-24T14:53:32 < kakimir> recommend a programmer for PIC
2018-08-24T14:53:58 < kakimir> PIC12F675
2018-08-24T14:54:02 < jpa-> pickit2 or pickit3
2018-08-24T14:54:09 < kakimir> I have pickit3
2018-08-24T14:54:21 < kakimir> I think the programming was too complicated last time
2018-08-24T14:54:25 < kakimir> for me
2018-08-24T14:54:34 < kakimir> I got some checksum error every time but once
2018-08-24T14:54:55 < jpa-> were your cables crappy?
2018-08-24T14:55:01 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-24T14:55:15 < jpa-> replace with sma cable for each pin
2018-08-24T14:55:16 < kakimir> that's it?
2018-08-24T14:55:25 < Cracki> lol
2018-08-24T14:55:30 < kakimir> I mean I have programmed lpcs with more crappy shiet
2018-08-24T14:55:36 < jpa-> probably, pickit3 generally works fine; though i haven't used the windows software for it
2018-08-24T14:55:52 < kakimir> mplab looks decent
2018-08-24T14:56:05 < kakimir> but programming is weird it has shittonne of option
2018-08-24T14:56:07 < kakimir> options
2018-08-24T14:56:16 < jpa-> like what?
2018-08-24T14:57:12 < zyp> batch programming pic is easy, just throw a pile of chips in the microwave
2018-08-24T14:57:16 < kakimir> first you need to select what to erase, what to program from flash, eeprom, id, configuration bits
2018-08-24T14:57:31 < jpa-> that's just normal for pics
2018-08-24T14:57:53 < jpa-> it does make sense that when updating firmware, you might not want to erase eeprom data and not reprogram chip id
2018-08-24T15:00:30 < karlp> man, python from lua is tedius and verbose
2018-08-24T15:00:35  * karlp misses tables.
2018-08-24T15:00:38 < kakimir> what is calibration memory?
2018-08-24T15:01:28 < jpa-> usually the internal RC oscillator speed calibration
2018-08-24T15:01:40 < kakimir> how it does that?
2018-08-24T15:01:42 < jpa-> dunno if there is temperature sensor / ADC calibration data also
2018-08-24T15:01:56 < kakimir> I should not touch it?
2018-08-24T15:02:12 < jpa-> usually you wouldn't want to change factory calibration unless you are doing your own calibration
2018-08-24T15:02:49 < kakimir> that might fuck up things?
2018-08-24T15:02:55 < Cracki> nah
2018-08-24T15:03:24 < kakimir> does the binary contain all the memory regions I want to program?
2018-08-24T15:03:26 < jpa-> it will just make the oscillator less accurate than it would be
2018-08-24T15:03:36 < Cracki> an elf may contain whatever regions
2018-08-24T15:03:50 < jpa-> if you are lucky, it would - but sometimes pic binaries leave out the configuration fuses even though you'd need them to program a new device
2018-08-24T15:04:04 < Cracki> and whatever reads the elf and programs a device, might choose to program some regions but not others
2018-08-24T15:05:09 < kakimir> I can select them manually
2018-08-24T15:05:35 < kakimir> so there must be settings in mplab for those configuration bits etc.
2018-08-24T15:05:48 < kakimir> I imported ready made project
2018-08-24T15:05:55 < kakimir> and tried to program it
2018-08-24T15:06:13 < kakimir> what is user IDs?
2018-08-24T15:06:22 < kakimir> only thing I don't know
2018-08-24T15:07:21 < kakimir> configuration memory is like avr fuses rigth
2018-08-24T15:07:21 < Cracki> show a screenshot
2018-08-24T15:07:35 < Cracki> consult the data sheet/ref manual ;)
2018-08-24T15:07:49 < cpctr> i like it
2018-08-24T15:07:55 < Cracki> there's a #pic channel for specifics :P
2018-08-24T15:08:03 < kakimir> sweet
2018-08-24T15:08:18 < kakimir> 2 nicks
2018-08-24T15:08:46 < kakimir> maybe ##pic
2018-08-24T15:09:07 < kakimir> shiet I have my freenode passwd not here
2018-08-24T15:09:17 < kakimir> so I need to check it later
2018-08-24T15:10:41 < jpa-> you can always use  /msg NickServ identify Tectu jparules
2018-08-24T15:10:55 < cpctr> would that work?
2018-08-24T15:11:47 < kakimir> interesting
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2018-08-24T15:38:24 < Laurenceb> History! Ain't that just shit that happened?
2018-08-24T15:40:33 < bitmask> its stuff you should forget, so when it repeats you are excited to see what happens
2018-08-24T15:41:24 < bitmask> whew, 1 of 2 packages >1month finally updated tracking, arrived in country. hopefully the other one did too
2018-08-24T15:45:41 < Steffanx>  \o/
2018-08-24T15:48:06 < bitmask> now I got 3 days to finish this paper and hopefully graduate
2018-08-24T15:49:42 < bitmask> the pieces are falling together
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2018-08-24T16:00:23 < Laurenceb> bitmask: thesis?
2018-08-24T16:00:56 < bitmask> yea, solving the two agent traveling salesman problem for the case of my pen plotter
2018-08-24T16:02:15 < Laurenceb> w e w
2018-08-24T16:02:27 < Laurenceb> my MP just said Assad did nothing wrong
2018-08-24T16:02:40 < Laurenceb> fukin unironically based
2018-08-24T16:03:02 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1031974853895757824
2018-08-24T16:03:13 < Laurenceb> jk rowling on suicide watch
2018-08-24T16:07:49 < qyx> how are your dataloggers
2018-08-24T16:07:57 < qyx> shaking properly?
2018-08-24T16:08:00 < Laurenceb> yeah
2018-08-24T16:08:06 < Laurenceb> shaken not stirred
2018-08-24T16:08:20 < qyx> are they working yet?
2018-08-24T16:08:40 < Laurenceb> if we collect a few TB of raw data then we will know the meaning of life with deep learning and bug data
2018-08-24T16:08:42 < Laurenceb> yes
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2018-08-24T16:21:26 < catphish> so, as i mentioned yesterday, i want to measure the length of each of a string of pulses, like this: http://michas-hp.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/dcf77-signal.jpg
2018-08-24T16:21:47 < catphish> can anyone tell me what timer mode i want?
2018-08-24T16:21:58 < zyp> input capture, just like yesterday
2018-08-24T16:22:36 < zyp> timer chapter in reference manual should even have a section on how to use it to measure pulse width
2018-08-24T16:23:04 < catphish> the part i'm a little unsure of is how to start / reset the timer when the line goes high
2018-08-24T16:23:13 < Laurenceb> dont bother
2018-08-24T16:23:29 < Laurenceb> just capture all edges and overflow timer at 2^16 or whatever
2018-08-24T16:23:29 < zyp> catphish, it's part of it
2018-08-24T16:23:53 < Laurenceb> then its a couple of line to work out the pulse duration
2018-08-24T16:24:26 < zyp> catphish, page 385: https://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/21/bd/0f/bd/1c/88/40/f0/DM00108282.pdf/files/DM00108282.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00108282.pdf
2018-08-24T16:25:04 < catphish> oh, PWM input mode :)
2018-08-24T16:25:38 < catphish> that's exactly what i need, i was struggling to work out how to map both triggers to the same pin
2018-08-24T16:25:45 < catphish> thanks!
2018-08-24T16:26:05 < zyp> the described SMCR settings is what causes the reset event
2018-08-24T16:31:25 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/385974ed59/139147.png
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2018-08-24T16:41:15 < catphish> that's me, except my game is programming microcontrollers
2018-08-24T16:41:22 < catphish> and my grades are great
2018-08-24T16:45:54 < Cracki> why would you suppress your accent? it's the most fun thing to curse at foreigners in a language they should understand, but a dialect they ca't
2018-08-24T16:46:32 < Cracki> there are nerds who learned to speak such that ancient speech recog/dictation software could understand them. it sounds retarded
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2018-08-24T17:04:50 < catphish> i do wish kicad would stop crashing my laptop
2018-08-24T17:05:15 < BrainDamage> sorry, you're only allowed to vent about altium here
2018-08-24T17:05:32 < catphish> lol
2018-08-24T17:05:32 < BrainDamage> otherwise, you make yourself vulnerable
2018-08-24T17:07:07 < englishman> oh, i thought it was a serious project
2018-08-24T17:07:23 < englishman> now you tell us otherwise
2018-08-24T17:10:00 < zyp> haha
2018-08-24T17:11:30 < Laurenceb> alba has been busy
2018-08-24T17:11:37 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/385974ed59/139173.jpg
2018-08-24T17:11:42 < Laurenceb> le female Chris Chan
2018-08-24T17:12:03 < Laurenceb> >She's been doing these for like 10 years now and hasn't improved her art one bit.
2018-08-24T17:12:06 < Laurenceb> kekking
2018-08-24T17:15:17 < Cracki> check out #daisychan or #daisyhogg
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2018-08-24T17:19:52 < jpa-> Laurenceb: i don't think she has done those for 10 years, more like 2 years
2018-08-24T17:20:16 < Laurenceb> jpa-: u familiar with Alba?
2018-08-24T17:20:25 < Laurenceb> jpa knows all the memes
2018-08-24T17:20:25 < jpa-> no, but i read the wikipedia page now
2018-08-24T17:20:38 < Steffanx> Lol
2018-08-24T17:21:10 < Laurenceb> > #EUsupergirl >Young European of the Year 2018
2018-08-24T17:21:15 < Laurenceb> my orbital sides
2018-08-24T17:21:45 < Laurenceb> Chris Chans long lost sister
2018-08-24T17:30:16 < Steffanx> Dodnt you have a gui to work on?
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2018-08-24T17:41:05 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlXx11MX0AATr0q.jpg
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2018-08-24T18:18:09 < Laurenceb> brilliant
2018-08-24T18:22:56 < kakimir> hello
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2018-08-24T18:32:03 < invzim> riddle me this, which demographic is the majority of element14/digikey customers?
2018-08-24T18:33:00 < invzim> it seems like it's amateur hobbyist the way the keep sending out arduino/micro:bit stuff etc
2018-08-24T18:33:22 < kakimir> they have a lot of maker shiets nowdays
2018-08-24T18:33:22 < englishman> havent seen a lot of arduino stuff from digiikey
2018-08-24T18:33:29 < kakimir> digikey is more serious
2018-08-24T18:33:40 < kakimir> industry oriented
2018-08-24T18:33:50 < englishman> element14 is more retail stuff iirc, they were the first to have raspberripi
2018-08-24T18:35:56 < kakimir> raspberry pi 3 is a serious thing
2018-08-24T18:36:03 < kakimir> when you compare pi 1 and 3
2018-08-24T18:36:08 < kakimir> it's whole different animal
2018-08-24T18:36:19 < kakimir> desing is really professional in 3
2018-08-24T18:36:32 < kakimir> in 1 it's like how you doing
2018-08-24T18:39:55 < srk> http://iot.48.io/
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2018-08-24T18:55:12 < karlp> weirdest use of usb I'v eseen in a while: https://www.banggood.com/KCASA-KC-CS05-Electric-Hot-Glue-Adhesive-Hook-Hanging-Hook-No-Trace-Hot-Glue-USB-Charging-Hook-p-1325548.html
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2018-08-24T18:57:39 < kakimir> just make pyroglue
2018-08-24T18:58:05 < kakimir> no electricals neede
2018-08-24T18:58:27 < Steffanx> Lol, i like the idea :)
2018-08-24T19:00:59 < kakimir> I like to be at work
2018-08-24T19:01:08 < kakimir> I know that I can do project
2018-08-24T19:01:19 < kakimir> when I go home I keep thinking about project
2018-08-24T19:02:00 < englishman> that's quite cool
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2018-08-24T19:13:46 < emeb> I guess that when you want to remove it then the challenge is to find a long enough USB cord to plug it in and reheat it
2018-08-24T19:14:09 < mawk> use a powerbank
2018-08-24T19:14:33 < kakimir> use a bench supply
2018-08-24T19:15:24 < emeb> flamethrower
2018-08-24T19:15:49 < kakimir> use C4
2018-08-24T19:16:00 < englishman> usbotg
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2018-08-24T19:33:13 < kakimir> showed the project to bossman today
2018-08-24T19:34:07 < kakimir> it's a double-edged sword to get bossmans excited
2018-08-24T19:34:14 < kakimir> 1) they are pumped
2018-08-24T19:34:52 < kakimir> 2) they want it asap out even when there is a lot of work left
2018-08-24T19:35:26 < emeb> management. :P
2018-08-24T19:36:23 < srk> ]\
2018-08-24T19:36:59 < Steffanx> Did you tell em about CE and stuff kakimir?
2018-08-24T19:38:12 < kakimir> they are like quickly lets start looking for manuf.
2018-08-24T19:38:51 < kakimir> I'm like.. let me do week or 2 work on this while looking for place to do initial tests
2018-08-24T19:39:53 < kakimir> and prepare for initial tests
2018-08-24T19:40:23 < kakimir> my guru said take everything you can carry and order more components and make as many samples as you can
2018-08-24T19:40:34 < kakimir> *make / take
2018-08-24T19:40:48 < Cracki> wat, he told you to rob the place?
2018-08-24T19:41:05 < kakimir> when going to testing facility
2018-08-24T19:41:18 < Cracki> yes rob that too
2018-08-24T19:41:26 < kakimir> then basically test the shit out of them samples
2018-08-24T19:41:44 < Cracki> why not test in-house?
2018-08-24T19:41:50 < kakimir> no tools
2018-08-24T19:42:00  * Cracki .oO( opposite of in-house is OUTHOUSE! )
2018-08-24T19:42:11 < Cracki> buy tools, burn money
2018-08-24T19:42:14 < srk> '
2018-08-24T19:42:15 < srk> ]]]]]']
2018-08-24T19:42:26 < Cracki> srk, your cat is typing
2018-08-24T19:42:36 < kakimir> I don't even know what to do if I had all the tools
2018-08-24T19:42:52 < Cracki> ah, so you get experts in addition to test equipment
2018-08-24T19:43:12 < kakimir> I'm a noob
2018-08-24T19:43:28 < Cracki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ that's why there are places that give you test equipment
2018-08-24T19:43:56 < Cracki> did you buy time with the test equipment, or also human consulting time?
2018-08-24T19:45:40 < kakimir> I think both
2018-08-24T19:45:44 < kakimir> I have not
2018-08-24T19:45:47 < kakimir> I will
2018-08-24T19:47:40 < kakimir> I say that I'll need the priest dedicated to operating the test tools too
2018-08-24T19:48:21 < kakimir> how expensive it would be to sit there and irc
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2018-08-24T19:48:41 < kakimir> ask on ##stm32 how to build a setup and how to use some serious tools
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2018-08-24T19:50:22 < Cracki> time on the priest will cost you your firstborn's peepee tip
2018-08-24T19:51:05 < kakimir> maybe I take my mentor with me
2018-08-24T19:51:05 < Cracki> what is to be tested? got any idea what instruments will be required?
2018-08-24T19:51:17 < kakimir> zap gun
2018-08-24T19:51:30 < kakimir> emission measurement
2018-08-24T19:51:53 < kakimir> EMI transmitter stuff
2018-08-24T19:52:44 < kakimir> my mentor spends weeks in that facility
2018-08-24T19:53:21 < Cracki> ah funny stuff
2018-08-24T19:54:05 < Cracki> such a zap gun? https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/zap-gun-stun-gun-flashlight?a=1951603
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2018-08-24T19:54:44 < kakimir> probs not
2018-08-24T19:54:54 < kakimir> zap gun to destroy electronic
2018-08-24T19:54:56 < kakimir> devices
2018-08-24T19:55:06 < Cracki> oh, who needs that?
2018-08-24T19:55:13 < Cracki> sounds like EMP
2018-08-24T19:55:23 < kakimir> it shoots sparks
2018-08-24T19:55:31 < kakimir> with certain voltage or energy or so
2018-08-24T19:55:57 < Cracki> and you want to test its effectiveness on incredibly expensive instruments
2018-08-24T19:56:08 < Cracki> sounds like a plan ;)
2018-08-24T19:56:58 < kakimir> more like to my prototype
2018-08-24T20:02:26 < Laurenceb>  p r o b l e m a t i c
2018-08-24T20:02:51 < Cracki> degenerate
2018-08-24T20:04:17 < antto> problemathicc
2018-08-24T20:06:02 < sync> ^
2018-08-24T20:15:25 < Cracki> no fetishizing of unhealthy eating habits pls
2018-08-24T20:44:17 < englishman> Steffanx: pico arrived
2018-08-24T20:44:52 < Steffanx> Heh tool longer than expected
2018-08-24T20:44:56 < Steffanx> But cool :)
2018-08-24T20:45:31 < englishman> https://imgur.com/a/N0EA15v
2018-08-24T20:46:47 < englishman> works
2018-08-24T20:48:04 < englishman> so, i beat jadew
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2018-08-24T20:58:39 < catphish> for anyone who still cares... i switched to a larger STM32 package and reworked everything, gave myself a bit more space on the board, think i'm finally finished: https://imgur.com/a/iDU0znP and https://nutty.tk/nfc10.pdf
2018-08-24T20:59:04 < catphish> can settle down and write some code now :)
2018-08-24T21:00:01 < englishman> nice
2018-08-24T21:00:16 < englishman> you might find better availability in the more common packages too
2018-08-24T21:00:27 < englishman> why artificially limit yourself
2018-08-24T21:02:37 < catphish> turned out the larger package device wasn't much more expensive anyway
2018-08-24T21:03:10 < catphish> rather than trying to jam everything in i've made a slightly larger prototype board, if it works i can worry about minaturizing it late
2018-08-24T21:03:12 < catphish> *late
2018-08-24T21:03:15 < catphish> *later
2018-08-24T21:03:47 < englishman> that is typically what devboards are for yeah :)
2018-08-24T21:15:49 < qyx> qfn32 is the larger package?
2018-08-24T21:21:31 < catphish> lqfp32
2018-08-24T21:21:42 < englishman> he wanted to use the tssop20
2018-08-24T21:21:47 < catphish> it has legs, the previous package was the tssop20
2018-08-24T21:22:59 < catphish> which makes sense for very small applications, and it's cheaper, but this has outgrown it
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2018-08-24T21:26:59 < qyx> *lqfp sorry
2018-08-24T21:27:05 < qyx> ah
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2018-08-24T22:06:51 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stixXyfsJfE new disclosure track
2018-08-24T22:09:18 < Steffanx> kakimusic 
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2018-08-24T22:57:52 < emeb> so much new moozeeks on the ewet00b
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2018-08-24T23:06:34 < Steffanx> yessir mr eebeem
2018-08-24T23:09:58 < emeb> just came across "vaporwave" yesterday. weird.
2018-08-24T23:11:49 < englishman> i prefer trumpwave
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2018-08-24T23:13:33 < Steffanx> never heard of it emeb
2018-08-24T23:13:46 < Steffanx> another memish thing i ignored it seems
2018-08-24T23:14:10 < BrainDamage> ehh, the genres tend to blur when you go the deep end
2018-08-24T23:15:27 < emeb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCq0P509UL4&t=631s
2018-08-24T23:16:01 < Steffanx> damn thats terrible with head phones emeb
2018-08-24T23:16:28 < emeb> Steffanx: it's not what you'd call "Hi-Fi"
2018-08-24T23:16:45 < emeb> AFAICT it consists mostly of people slowing down hits from the 70's and 80's.
2018-08-24T23:17:01 < Steffanx> i meant it goes from left to right and back, that's annoying.
2018-08-24T23:18:16 < BrainDamage> eh, panning is meh, now ambisonics recording from the 70s muxed into binaural stereo, those were the shit
2018-08-24T23:21:13 < Steffanx> i guess i need a joint or something to enjoy emeb.  and i dont do drugs.
2018-08-24T23:22:01 < emeb> Steffanx: didn't say I liked it - just something I came across yesterday. Expanding horizons...
2018-08-24T23:22:14 < Steffanx> i didnt say you liked it :P
2018-08-24T23:23:25 < emeb> :)
2018-08-24T23:23:34 < emeb> Here's something more mainstream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHomPCvHxbM
2018-08-24T23:24:29 < BrainDamage> in before craprenceb's comments about the androginy of the performer
2018-08-24T23:25:55 < Steffanx> Anyway, totally irrelevant, but what is a 2018 to share "secret" files. I dont like to give people a username/password by email.
2018-08-24T23:26:07 < Steffanx> and i dont want to give them a secret link either, because everyone can click that as well.
2018-08-24T23:26:19 < Steffanx> 2018-way*
2018-08-24T23:26:37 < emeb> text
2018-08-24T23:26:51 < Steffanx> text as in SMS?
2018-08-24T23:26:54 < BrainDamage> that would require pubic key crypto
2018-08-24T23:26:57 < emeb> heh - last I heard the kids still use SMS
2018-08-24T23:27:18 < BrainDamage> to my knowledge, there's no common system for multiparty encryption using pubic key crypto
2018-08-24T23:27:25 < Steffanx> Yes, but .. i have to do with less capable people BrainDamage .
2018-08-24T23:27:38 < BrainDamage> yes, hence my comment
2018-08-24T23:28:48 < emeb> password protected file in Dropbox - send pwd via SMS?
2018-08-24T23:29:01 < BrainDamage> I'm sour about dropbox
2018-08-24T23:29:24 < emeb> host your own FTP site and use dyndns?
2018-08-24T23:29:24 < BrainDamage> they plan to intentionally break stacked filesystem - by supporting nothing but ext4 since october
2018-08-24T23:29:35 < BrainDamage> do not use ftp
2018-08-24T23:29:44 < Steffanx> not even sftp?
2018-08-24T23:29:45 < BrainDamage> http is fine, ftp should just die
2018-08-24T23:29:54 < BrainDamage> sftp is fine
2018-08-24T23:30:00 < BrainDamage> it has nothing to do with ftp than the name
2018-08-24T23:30:02 < catphish> ftp blows goats, kill it with fire
2018-08-24T23:30:21 < Steffanx> Actually currently it's FTP.., but i dislike it as well
2018-08-24T23:31:27 < BrainDamage> http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
2018-08-24T23:31:30 < BrainDamage> a fun read
2018-08-24T23:41:19 < Steffanx> i actually didnt know about the active thing.
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2018-08-24T23:46:00 < catphish> that article is from 2005, and people are still using it
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2018-08-25T00:04:04 < englishman> nissan leaf has an RSS aggregator
2018-08-25T00:04:32 < englishman> it will play new feeds to you on car start
2018-08-25T00:05:10 < BrainDamage> does it work on podcasts?
2018-08-25T00:05:21 < BrainDamage> I can put up a rss feed with 10h of rickroll
2018-08-25T00:05:26 < englishman> i'm sure it will speak out the url letter by letter
2018-08-25T00:06:37 < emeb> nice
2018-08-25T00:07:10 < emeb> and the USB MSD MP3 player in my Hondas won't handle more than 255 files per directory.
2018-08-25T00:07:45 < englishman> what is a mp3
2018-08-25T00:08:03 < BrainDamage> ah yes, you only use LIBRE formats
2018-08-25T00:08:06 < BrainDamage> .ogg theora
2018-08-25T00:08:12 < englishman> it looks like its a single spotify song?
2018-08-25T00:08:15 < BrainDamage> sorry, .ogg vorbis
2018-08-25T00:09:26 < emeb> prefer .aac? .m4a?
2018-08-25T00:12:41 < zyp> don't everybody just stream stuff from their phones nowadays if not listening to radio?
2018-08-25T00:18:50 < emeb> probably.
2018-08-25T00:18:59 < emeb> use up those data caps
2018-08-25T00:19:16 < emeb> local storage is overrated
2018-08-25T00:19:27 < emeb> spotify all the things
2018-08-25T00:19:32 < zyp> you can still have stuff stored on the phone
2018-08-25T00:19:40 < emeb> keep that phone running 24/7
2018-08-25T00:19:44 < zyp> but yeah, I don't bother with that, I just run spotify
2018-08-25T00:20:34 < emeb> most of the storage on my phone is music - I do bluetooth it to the car sometimes.
2018-08-25T00:20:50 < zyp> car supports android auto so I get spotify in the dashboard too
2018-08-25T00:20:56 < emeb> never spotify because I've got an old-man phone plan with expensive data.
2018-08-25T00:20:58 < zyp> with voice search and shit
2018-08-25T00:36:40 < Steffanx> And whats the reason you dont go youngster emeb ?
2018-08-25T00:36:51 < Steffanx> Its easy to change right?
2018-08-25T00:38:08 < emeb> Steffanx: I'm a cheap bastard
2018-08-25T00:38:46 < zyp> how much data is included in an old man plan there?
2018-08-25T00:39:18 < emeb> So I've got this pay-as-you-go plan that costs me like $10/4mo 
2018-08-25T00:39:55 < emeb> which is fine since I don't do much calling away from home.
2018-08-25T00:40:15 < zyp> oh, so no data at all?
2018-08-25T00:40:34 < emeb> no, I can use data but it drains the acct down fast
2018-08-25T00:41:20 < zyp> well, yeah, you can use data but you wouldn't want to because of the price
2018-08-25T00:41:25 < zyp> that counts as no data in my book
2018-08-25T00:41:56 < emeb> right. it's stupid expensive - like $0.10/1kB or something dumb like that.
2018-08-25T00:42:04 < Steffanx> Damn.
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2018-08-25T00:43:38 < emeb> actually not quite that bad - $0.05/1MB
2018-08-25T00:44:08 < Steffanx> Oh then its much cheapet than its here. Its €0.10 here for pre-paid stuff
2018-08-25T00:45:08 < emeb> Ah, interesting.
2018-08-25T00:45:19 < emeb> Still - a minute of spotify would suck it down fast.
2018-08-25T00:47:26 < zyp> I'm paying 199 NOK/mo for 3GB of data
2018-08-25T00:48:36 < Steffanx> = +- $24
2018-08-25T00:48:38 < zyp> and up to 3GB of unused data carries over to the next month, so I can have up to 6GB in a single month
2018-08-25T00:48:41 < emeb> right
2018-08-25T00:48:49 < emeb> not awful based on what I've seen here.
2018-08-25T00:48:51 < BrainDamage> 7€/month for 30GB
2018-08-25T00:49:00 < Thorn> $4.5/months for 200 min and unlimited data
2018-08-25T00:49:02 < tomeaton17> im paying way too much money for mine
2018-08-25T00:49:05 < Thorn> -s
2018-08-25T00:49:21 < zyp> pretty much all phone plans here have unlimited calls
2018-08-25T00:49:21 < BrainDamage> sorry, 30GB and phone calls
2018-08-25T00:49:30 < Steffanx> Lol the italians and russians.. how on earth its that cheap?
2018-08-25T00:49:31 < tomeaton17> £47/month for 20gb and an galaxy s9
2018-08-25T00:50:07 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: there's a fierce market here even before numbers were portable
2018-08-25T00:50:18 < karlp> catphish: if you're going to use just pins in a row for your debug connector, you may consider what pin arrangements are already around. (what are you using for debugging?)
2018-08-25T00:50:28 < BrainDamage> in fact, before roaming costs were abolished, all the foreign call costs were considered outrageous here
2018-08-25T00:51:14 < zyp> BrainDamage, what data speeds do you typically get?
2018-08-25T00:51:49 < BrainDamage> 15-20MB/s
2018-08-25T00:52:15 < bitmask> man, I hit the wall at least an hour ago but I can't stop or I won't finish in time.  
2018-08-25T00:52:16 < emeb> seems remarkably cheap
2018-08-25T00:52:16 < BrainDamage> there's better providers, but I'm stinking cheap
2018-08-25T00:52:31 < karlp> Steffanx: wetransfer?
2018-08-25T00:52:40 < BrainDamage> the coverage is the sore spot of my provider
2018-08-25T00:52:55 < BrainDamage> about 1/3 of the time you're around, you end up with 3g
2018-08-25T00:53:34 < BrainDamage> the biggest provider here would give you 90%+ coverage with 4g, but that'd cost me 10 bucks/month, and I'm cheap like that
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2018-08-25T00:54:43 < BrainDamage> also because most of my phone traffic is low-key, so I don't particularly care about the speed
2018-08-25T00:55:17 < Lux> BrainDamage: you are in italy right ?
2018-08-25T00:55:21 < BrainDamage> yes
2018-08-25T00:55:31 < Lux> here in aut it's pretty cheap, but not as good
2018-08-25T00:55:41 < Lux> 15€/month for 17gb
2018-08-25T00:56:53 < sync> hmm
2018-08-25T00:56:59 < sync> I should get an austrian sim
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2018-08-25T00:57:19 < Lux> + unlimited local calls and texts to all european countries + usa
2018-08-25T00:57:48 < Lux> i guess with eu roaming you can
2018-08-25T00:58:12 < Lux> but they'll charge you more after a few months, or cancel your contract
2018-08-25T00:59:03 < BrainDamage> I had a very old tariff with my old provider which charged your phone based off received call time
2018-08-25T00:59:31 < BrainDamage> now since most people have free calls plans, I didn't pay a cent for my old one
2018-08-25T01:00:01 < BrainDamage> then they unilaterally cancelled the contract :(
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2018-08-25T01:15:54 < Lux> they had the same here with hutchison 3
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2018-08-25T02:07:50 < englishman> i'll be your friend
2018-08-25T02:07:58 < englishman> the ee part is dubious however
2018-08-25T02:09:15 < Thorn> how could you betray Romania
2018-08-25T02:10:46 < BrainDamage> where did you move to?
2018-08-25T02:10:53 < BrainDamage> burkina faso?
2018-08-25T02:11:12 < BrainDamage> republic of congo?
2018-08-25T02:13:20 < Thorn> South Africa?
2018-08-25T02:13:52 < BrainDamage> tectu's bed?
2018-08-25T02:15:30 < BrainDamage> swiss here there's only tectu, to my knowledge
2018-08-25T02:16:13 < englishman> they typically stay silent and work in the background. brokering chat deals
2018-08-25T02:17:06 < karlp> holy fuck python3's sring/bytes are a trainwreck
2018-08-25T02:17:39 < Thorn> py2 '' -> py3 b'', py2 u'' -> py3 ''
2018-08-25T02:17:49 < karlp> yes, I know how easy it is in theory.
2018-08-25T02:18:20 < karlp> so... user:password, base64 encoded, must be bytes to encode, but strings to stringformat user variables.
2018-08-25T02:18:24 < Thorn> you can also do 'from__future__ import unicode_literals' in python 2
2018-08-25T02:18:46 < karlp> then, to make a header, you need to do "Basic: <base64>" so that needs to be a string again if you want to use string replacements.
2018-08-25T02:18:57 < karlp> then it's a http header for urllib so it needs to be bytes again.
2018-08-25T02:19:02 < karlp> fucking trainwreck.
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2018-08-25T02:20:41 < Thorn> urllib is shit, pip install requests
2018-08-25T02:21:05 < karlp> yeah, forward ported some py2 code.
2018-08-25T02:21:09 < karlp> things got worse not better
2018-08-25T02:21:17 < karlp> it works now, but fuck it took longer than it should have
2018-08-25T02:21:20 < karlp> time for bed.
2018-08-25T02:25:07 < catphish> karlp: not sure what i'm using for debugging yet, might look at using tag-connect as zyp does
2018-08-25T02:26:16 < catphish> by the way zyp i feel bad for what i just did to your boards :( one now has wires soldered and hot glued to it for debugging, the other is KIA, i should have just bought a tag-connect, never mind
2018-08-25T02:26:25 < catphish> next time :)
2018-08-25T02:27:01 < karlp> what are you using as interface?
2018-08-25T02:27:29 < karlp> (i was suggesting that there's a common 6 pin interface on stlinks)
2018-08-25T02:27:41 < catphish> right now, the st-link end of a nucleo board
2018-08-25T02:28:12 < catphish> oh right,, yes, i might use that, needs more pins though, 6 plus the uart
2018-08-25T02:28:55 < karlp> just saying, it's already there, if that's an interface you imagine using.
2018-08-25T02:29:35 < catphish> makes sense
2018-08-25T02:29:44 < karlp> you could fairly conceivable replace swo with tx, as youre m0 (at the moment) but I'd make the uart a different header. 
2018-08-25T02:29:55 < karlp> if yu're debugging, do you need the uart? who's the uart for?
2018-08-25T02:30:25 < catphish> i like printing data when i debug
2018-08-25T02:30:38 < catphish> who doesn't like a bit of printf
2018-08-25T02:31:01 < catphish> it's that or morse code on an LED :)
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2018-08-25T02:38:27 < Laurenceb__> I just joined irc and its beautiful
2018-08-25T02:38:54 < Laurenceb__> 12 irc channels you should join, you won't believe number 11 
2018-08-25T02:39:32 < cpctr> hamradio?
2018-08-25T02:40:06 < Laurenceb__> irl kek
2018-08-25T02:40:35 < Laurenceb__> today I went to a microphone calibration session 
2018-08-25T02:40:42 < cpctr> mmm
2018-08-25T02:40:53 < Laurenceb__> >hire a whole freaking tv studio for calibrating shitty mics
2018-08-25T02:41:05 < cpctr> oh
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2018-08-25T02:41:08 < Laurenceb__> >dont realise a tv studio isnt suitable for calibrating mics
2018-08-25T02:41:14 < cpctr> cool1
2018-08-25T02:41:22 < Laurenceb__> truly epin project management fail
2018-08-25T02:41:26 < Laurenceb__> to CH ??
2018-08-25T02:41:31 < cpctr> m
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2018-08-25T02:41:54 < cpctr> is CH in britain?
2018-08-25T02:42:06 < Laurenceb__> sounds reflects off the concrete floor giving interference fringes
2018-08-25T02:42:38 < Laurenceb__> ~6dB variance between two side by side mics at higher frequencies
2018-08-25T02:42:45 < Laurenceb__> wtf where?
2018-08-25T02:43:19 < Laurenceb__> not sure if troll
2018-08-25T02:43:26 < cpctr> why don't you just buy a calibrated mic
2018-08-25T02:43:39 < Laurenceb__> on my way to ph, ch and th
2018-08-25T02:43:41 < cpctr> hm
2018-08-25T02:43:57 < Laurenceb__> cpctr: this is where it gets funnier
2018-08-25T02:44:05 < Laurenceb__> my microphones are calibrated mics
2018-08-25T02:44:19 < cpctr> cool
2018-08-25T02:44:20 < Laurenceb__> apparently I'm supposed to "calibrate them better"
2018-08-25T02:44:31 < Laurenceb__> despite the cal being +-0.05dB
2018-08-25T02:44:32 < cpctr> whut brand?
2018-08-25T02:44:36 < Laurenceb__> DPA
2018-08-25T02:44:48 < Laurenceb__> such a failproject
2018-08-25T02:45:12 < Laurenceb__> https://www.dpamicrophones.com/
2018-08-25T02:46:10 < Laurenceb__> so you are in the uk now?
2018-08-25T02:46:24 < Laurenceb__> oh got you
2018-08-25T02:46:33 < Laurenceb__> Tectuland
2018-08-25T02:47:40 < cpctr> tectu mate
2018-08-25T02:48:11 < cpctr> try the chinaman's nightcap
2018-08-25T02:53:20 < cpctr> theres nothing like a little opium cigar to cool the nerves
2018-08-25T02:54:35 < cpctr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpHDdCFF1Gw
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2018-08-25T03:00:57 < friendofafriend> The Devil's Flea Powder!
2018-08-25T03:01:17 < friendofafriend> Helen's Mexican Mud.
2018-08-25T03:02:50 < friendofafriend> Harry's Heavy Heaven Dust.  
2018-08-25T03:11:45 < catphish> well, my incompetence knows no bounds, i have destroyed both of the boards zyp sent me i think i'll stop trying to solder wires to surface mount boards now :)
2018-08-25T03:12:14 < catphish> i feel bad
2018-08-25T03:12:38 < BrainDamage> or just practice on boards that you don't care if they die
2018-08-25T03:13:22 < friendofafriend> How is the board destroyed, catphish?
2018-08-25T03:13:23 < catphish> in hindsight, it wasn't really the best idea in the first place should've just got the plug :)
2018-08-25T03:13:43 < friendofafriend> Lift a solder pad?
2018-08-25T03:13:50 < catphish> yes
2018-08-25T03:14:12 < BrainDamage> is your iron temp controlled?
2018-08-25T03:14:14 < friendofafriend> Gosh, I do that all the time.  Disheartening, right?
2018-08-25T03:14:58 < catphish> indeed
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2018-08-25T03:15:33 < friendofafriend> So, what I do first is drink.  That helps.
2018-08-25T03:15:37 < catphish> while i'm sure i could do it right with practice, it wasn't the best idea to begin with
2018-08-25T03:16:37 < friendofafriend> Never assume things get better with practice, sure sign of insanity to do the same thing and expect different results.
2018-08-25T03:16:44 < catphish> lol
2018-08-25T03:17:01 < friendofafriend> I would take a razor blade to the solder mask over the trace leading up to the pad.
2018-08-25T03:17:07 < catphish> well maybe the nice man will sell me another one and this time i'll just use the proper cable :)
2018-08-25T03:17:31 < friendofafriend> I guess, but then you have to see the delivery guy again, and he's never a sight for sore eyes.
2018-08-25T03:17:55 < friendofafriend> What kind of man volunteers to wear shorts, right?
2018-08-25T03:18:08 < catphish> lol
2018-08-25T03:18:42 < catphish> i had 2 attempts, the second one seemed good, i glued the wires down, powered it up, and the power lines were shorted together
2018-08-25T03:18:56 < catphish> never did find the short, but taking it apart i damaged a pad again
2018-08-25T03:19:01 < catphish> so i gave up
2018-08-25T03:19:31 < kakimir> proper iron with right temperature never lifhts a pad
2018-08-25T03:19:43 < catphish> no, but wires soldered to them so
2018-08-25T03:19:44 < catphish> *do
2018-08-25T03:20:17 < kakimir> wash the board and glue them with 5min epoxy
2018-08-25T03:20:41 < friendofafriend> Glue the pad back to the board, you mean?
2018-08-25T03:21:19 < catphish> the second board i glued the wires, i was happy, then found a short, glue not so easy to remove without pulling the wires again :(
2018-08-25T03:21:22 < catphish> one learns
2018-08-25T03:21:58 < kakimir> find shorts first
2018-08-25T03:22:16 < friendofafriend> The delivery guy has them on.
2018-08-25T03:22:32 < catphish> lol
2018-08-25T03:23:14 < Laurenceb__> removing a pad doesnt kill the board
2018-08-25T03:23:18 < Laurenceb__> u give up too easily
2018-08-25T03:23:35 < friendofafriend> It makes things a pain, for sure.
2018-08-25T03:24:05 < catphish> it's ok, my own boards are probably ready to fab now anyway
2018-08-25T03:24:08 < kakimir> take a knife and scripe some soldermask of
2018-08-25T03:24:12 < kakimir> off
2018-08-25T03:24:18 < kakimir> then reconnect wire
2018-08-25T03:24:23 < friendofafriend> As for gluing the pad back down, I guess good luck with that.  You'll still need to reconnect the pad to the trace.
2018-08-25T03:24:28 < catphish> i tried that, couldnt find the copper :(
2018-08-25T03:25:39 < friendofafriend> You can touch whatever conductor is left with your multimeter and try to find continuity someplace else on the board, and solder there.
2018-08-25T03:26:40 < friendofafriend> Once it's broken, making it worse isn't so bad.
2018-08-25T03:31:07 < kakimir> good point
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2018-08-25T03:37:11 < friendofafriend> I lift pads pretty often on boards where I've soldered and desoldered multiple times.
2018-08-25T03:37:59 < friendofafriend> I'm using lead-free solder right now, so I'm sure the higher temperatures of the iron aren't helping either.
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2018-08-25T03:40:25 < kakimir> why
2018-08-25T03:40:35 < kakimir> use good old
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2018-08-25T03:41:01 < kakimir> it's still the shit
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2018-08-25T03:41:59 < emeb_mac> englishman's "Nachero" reminds me of Father Guido Sarducci's "Mr. Tea"
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2018-08-25T03:48:29 < bitmask> chapter 4 done, one to go!
2018-08-25T03:52:57 < Laurenceb__> my fellow members of the patriarchy
2018-08-25T03:53:10 < Laurenceb__> what have you done today to reinforce rape culture?
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2018-08-25T04:07:16 < Cracki> does being gay count?
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2018-08-25T04:20:39 < friendofafriend> It's only that I happen to have lead-free on hand.  Ran out of leaded and haven't been bothered enough to go get more.
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2018-08-25T04:28:50 < englishman> emeb would you like to buy fifty thousand Nachero
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2018-08-25T04:57:58 < catphish> why did my currency have to collapse :( makes my PCBs cost more :(
2018-08-25T05:00:07 < Cracki> who *owns* the banks? hello.
2018-08-25T05:00:48 < englishman> because you were sending 350 million pounds of money per day to kosovo
2018-08-25T05:00:49 < englishman> or something
2018-08-25T05:01:26 < aandrew> wow that LNA really helped!
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2018-08-25T05:01:35 < aandrew> not bad for a very first attempt
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2018-08-25T05:02:37 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/a/44XU0ix
2018-08-25T05:03:56 < Cracki> I wonder... were there ever magazines where they printed gerbers for you to photocopy and make your own board?
2018-08-25T05:04:24 < Cracki> explicitly, not just for "look at muh shit"
2018-08-25T05:04:31 < aandrew> Cracki: yes there were
2018-08-25T05:04:36 < aandrew> radio-electronics, popular electronics
2018-08-25T05:04:44 < Cracki> I missed all that :/
2018-08-25T05:04:55 < aandrew> you gotta find the old torrents of the entire series
2018-08-25T05:10:57 < cpctr> QUAD SPEED CD ROM
2018-08-25T05:14:01 < cpctr> l0de-ing
2018-08-25T05:14:07 < Cracki> when some marketing moron decided to advertise usb flash drives and memory cards in 9000x cd speed
2018-08-25T05:14:23 < cpctr> exactly
2018-08-25T05:14:42 < cpctr> faster than a 1970s mainframe!
2018-08-25T05:14:55 < cpctr> oh rly
2018-08-25T05:17:29 < BrainDamage> emeb_mac: https://teabot.com/
2018-08-25T05:18:44 < BrainDamage> > After talking to tea enthusiasts, we found that many tea drinkers love the idea of making their own blends but find it too tedious, expensive, or risky to do this at home
2018-08-25T05:19:01 < BrainDamage> I too tried to make a tea blend, and it exploded all over my kitchen
2018-08-25T05:19:34 < cpctr> lol
2018-08-25T05:19:49 < cpctr> u serious?
2018-08-25T05:20:06 < Cracki> hipsters
2018-08-25T05:20:18 < Cracki> possibly brits, afraid of the spinning BLADES in a blender
2018-08-25T05:20:31 < Cracki> tho... tea leaf dust prolly isn't such a good idea
2018-08-25T05:20:43 < BrainDamage> ... you don't blend teas to make a mix
2018-08-25T05:20:51 < BrainDamage> you literally just stir them in a cup
2018-08-25T05:21:18 < cpctr> where is this explosion
2018-08-25T05:21:42 < Cracki> wow blend up to three ingredients, not more
2018-08-25T05:21:48 < Cracki> it even pours the water
2018-08-25T05:22:20 < BrainDamage> it happened in the winter of '47, we were still recovering from WWII, bread costed a third of your wage and you had to wade through 2m snow to get across to the neighbour
2018-08-25T05:22:23 < Cracki> I can see how that's handy. tap a few buttons, drink your piss. no touching anything in the kitchen.
2018-08-25T05:23:23 < BrainDamage> It was a very experimental tea blend, some called it "audacious" and "daring"
2018-08-25T05:23:52 < BrainDamage> it was a fierce battle, but unfortunately, the tea ended up victorious
2018-08-25T05:24:35 < cpctr> dutch windmill
2018-08-25T05:24:57 < BrainDamage> detractors mention how the tea employed unfair tactics, some of them, while still acceptable under geneva's convention, would not fly under a human's right tribunal
2018-08-25T05:29:14 < cpctr> did you get hijacked by dr.b
2018-08-25T05:31:10 < emeb_mac> englishman: I'll take 1000!
2018-08-25T05:31:17 < Cracki> don't embarrass him, he's getting redpilled
2018-08-25T05:31:23 < emeb_mac> BrainDamage: exactly right
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2018-08-25T05:42:29 < Cracki> I wonder if there's data on the exact pad locations of every spacex first stage landing... I wanna see how tight their group is.
2018-08-25T05:42:29 < cpctr> hey mac
2018-08-25T05:42:37 < cpctr> you got a light?
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2018-08-25T06:40:24 < cpctr> a light
2018-08-25T06:43:03  * friendofafriend gives cpctr a light, already.
2018-08-25T06:44:33 < englishman> too tea-dious
2018-08-25T06:44:35 < englishman> rofl
2018-08-25T06:55:58 < cpctr> hi friends
2018-08-25T06:56:51 < cpctr> kasyan tv is a comedy channel
2018-08-25T06:58:30 < cpctr> 60 butts light globe
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2018-08-25T09:21:57 < emeb_mac> kakimir: thx for disclosure - good stuff
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2018-08-25T10:15:06 < Steffanx> Hello welicome
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2018-08-25T10:18:48 < cpctr> hey boom, who you picking?
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2018-08-25T10:23:30 < Steffanx> Are you outhere brother?
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2018-08-25T12:05:31 < DisruptiveNL> Some one knows where to find some code for inertial positioning (gps+MEMS)?
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2018-08-25T13:28:43 < cpctr> hi sir
2018-08-25T13:33:08 < cpctr> the continuous time impulse
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2018-08-25T15:43:41 < bitmask> two more days!
2018-08-25T15:44:47 < Steffanx> two more days of printing?
2018-08-25T15:44:53 < bitmask> schooling
2018-08-25T15:48:36 < bitmask> 40 pages done, about 4-5 to go
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2018-08-25T16:31:57 < Steffanx> :)
2018-08-25T16:33:28 < mawk> what's the usual approach for (quickly) commanding power mosfets from logic signals
2018-08-25T16:33:41 < mawk> what do we put between the two
2018-08-25T16:34:35 < Steffanx> mosfet gate driver
2018-08-25T16:34:40 < Steffanx> Ic
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2018-08-25T16:37:55 < englishman> another mosfet
2018-08-25T16:38:17 < Laurenceb__> yo dawg
2018-08-25T16:40:07 < mawk> my question was about the reaction capacitance of mosfets englishman 
2018-08-25T16:40:28 < mawk> so another mosfet will just increase that delay
2018-08-25T16:42:17 < englishman> of course
2018-08-25T16:44:47 < karlp> actually turning on though tends to be faster than thinking you can not do it and having it slowly maybe slide to fully on
2018-08-25T16:45:59 < BrainDamage> mawk: mosfet gate drivers are made by other mosfets
2018-08-25T16:46:30 < BrainDamage> there's a geometrical progression of the mosfet area to minimize the latency
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2018-08-25T16:46:48 < mawk> I see
2018-08-25T16:47:19 < BrainDamage> this is nothing new in literature, it's also used in computers mosfet logic inverter chain to amplify a bus signal ( line drivers )
2018-08-25T16:48:12 < englishman> hence why there is still so much development in power mosfets and their drivers
2018-08-25T16:48:13 < BrainDamage> and really, the gate driver ic was built exactly for this pourpose
2018-08-25T16:53:20 < catphish> mawk: gate driver ICs are great, i use UCC21520DW which also provides isolation
2018-08-25T16:53:58 < Laurenceb__> my orbital sides https://postimg.cc/image/hx2cfstwx/
2018-08-25T16:55:13 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-25T16:55:27 < Laurenceb__> oh shit there is video proof
2018-08-25T16:55:29 < Laurenceb__> wew
2018-08-25T16:55:33 < mawk> I was not planning to use any, I was just wondering how to overcome that ~400pF capacitance for power mostfets
2018-08-25T16:58:01 < catphish> mawk: well you can do most of the work with another power transistor i guess
2018-08-25T16:58:17 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmGKoIfeE5Y
2018-08-25T16:58:31 < catphish> a pair of bjts maybe
2018-08-25T16:58:46 < catphish> i've never bothered doing it without a driver IC though
2018-08-25T16:59:13 < BrainDamage> unless you're doing for the educational value, there's very little reason to not use a driver ic
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2018-08-25T16:59:36 < catphish> as long as the cost is reasonable, the ones i use are really expensive, but probably overkill for most applications
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2018-08-25T17:19:40 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/atomicthumbs/status/1032939617404645376
2018-08-25T17:19:51 < englishman> yes
2018-08-25T17:19:56 < englishman> he was posting in YOSPOS
2018-08-25T17:20:18 < englishman> https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3862643&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=63
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2018-08-25T17:32:13 < catphish> i've asked for a quote for some of those DCF77 modules :)
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2018-08-25T17:35:56 < karlp> catphish: those driver ics aren't real cheap!
2018-08-25T17:55:05 < catphish> karlp: certainly not the ones i use
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2018-08-25T18:23:02 < mawk> BrainDamage: apart from the commutation time, there will probably be a current flowing back from grid to the logic thingie actuating the mosfet; so even if I don't care about the 20µs delay I have to use a driver IC ?
2018-08-25T18:23:08 < mawk> to not damage the thing asserting the logic level
2018-08-25T18:23:49 < BrainDamage> a simple resistor is sufficient to drive a gate, if it's slow enough
2018-08-25T18:24:04 < BrainDamage> the problem is that if you want to drive it fast, you need to pump amperes of current
2018-08-25T18:24:28 < mawk> current ? I thought we were talking about mosfets
2018-08-25T18:24:42 < BrainDamage> yes, current, it takes current to charge the mosfet's gate
2018-08-25T18:25:11 < mawk> my mosfet model is not advanced enough yet, it seems
2018-08-25T18:25:20 < BrainDamage> a bjt continously needs current to remain on
2018-08-25T18:25:26 < mawk> indeed
2018-08-25T18:25:30 < BrainDamage> a mosfet requires current to change its state
2018-08-25T18:25:41 < BrainDamage> to charge the capacitor, and to discharge
2018-08-25T18:25:57 < BrainDamage> once it reached the desidered state, you don't need current in the gate anymore
2018-08-25T18:26:24 < BrainDamage> for power mosfets, what's typically considered is not the capacitance of the mosfet but the charge required to switch them full on
2018-08-25T18:26:35 < BrainDamage> the so called gate-charge
2018-08-25T18:26:47 < BrainDamage> gate charge / switching time = current
2018-08-25T18:26:59 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-25T18:27:21 < mawk> my question was about where that current goes during the low logic level times
2018-08-25T18:27:33 < mawk> if it won't damage the thing that asserts the logic level
2018-08-25T18:27:43 < BrainDamage> that question is unclear to me
2018-08-25T18:28:40 < mawk> hm
2018-08-25T18:28:59 < mawk> well some book is talking about dynamic grid currents resulting from the grid capacitance
2018-08-25T18:29:26 < mawk> but the english translation "dynamic grid current" gives no useful occurrence on google
2018-08-25T18:29:29 < mawk> let me research that
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2018-08-25T18:31:23 < mawk> well I don't have the 2nd volume that talks more in depth about that effect, but they call that the thyristor effect
2018-08-25T18:31:46 < mawk> and the book doesn't want me to directly connect a logic component to the grid of the power mosfet
2018-08-25T18:33:14 < BrainDamage> one thing that you need to be aware is that fluctuations in the voltage in the drain of a mosfet kick back a bit of voltage into the gate by capacitive coupling, that can mess up on your driver
2018-08-25T18:33:28 < BrainDamage> but gate drivers are very robust and can take it
2018-08-25T18:34:17 < mawk> yeah it seems to be that
2018-08-25T18:34:32 < mawk> Ig = Cd dVd/dt
2018-08-25T18:34:39 < mawk> Cd = capacity between grid and drain
2018-08-25T18:34:49 < mawk> ok yeah with a driver it should be fine since the driver is built for that
2018-08-25T18:34:57 < mawk> my question was what if I don't use a driver
2018-08-25T18:35:01 < BrainDamage> gate, not grid
2018-08-25T18:35:07 < mawk> yeah gate sorry
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2018-08-25T18:40:26 < mawk> yeah so I'll use a resistor to the gate and it'll be fine
2018-08-25T18:41:00 < catphish> one should normally use a gate resistor anyway
2018-08-25T18:41:15 < catphish> even with my fancy drivers, i set the current with a simple gate resistor
2018-08-25T18:41:50 < BrainDamage> what current does the mosfet handle?
2018-08-25T18:42:39 < BrainDamage> remember that during switch, the mos doesn't dissipate RdsonI^2, it dissipates VddI, which can be even hundred times higher
2018-08-25T18:42:50 < BrainDamage> that's why people switch mosfets fast
2018-08-25T18:43:10 < catphish> it matters when you're switching many amps :)
2018-08-25T18:43:23 < BrainDamage> yes, hence my question
2018-08-25T18:43:28 < catphish> at least when you're switching it a lot
2018-08-25T18:43:41 < BrainDamage> even a single time, if it blows up
2018-08-25T18:45:06 < mawk> something like 100 mA
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2018-08-25T18:50:16 < catphish> i doubt you're going to melt a mosfet during a single switching cycle
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2018-08-25T19:27:08 < Steffanx> "challenge" accepted catphish 
2018-08-25T19:39:44 < catphish> lol
2018-08-25T19:40:36 < Steffanx> You didnt specify how fast the cycle is supposed to be
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2018-08-25T19:48:57 < Thorn> maybe not melt but you can easily make it explode
2018-08-25T19:51:37 < catphish> Thorn: what would cause that?
2018-08-25T19:52:07 < Thorn> source to gnd, drain to +V lol
2018-08-25T19:52:35 < catphish> well sure :)
2018-08-25T19:54:09 < catphish> anyone know if there's a cost-sane way to do low volume plastic moulding?
2018-08-25T20:02:37 < mawk> my lungs are still sore from my last attempt with plastic modeling
2018-08-25T20:03:37 < catphish> i can 3d print something to begin with at least
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2018-08-25T20:25:06 < karlp> do french talk about grids on mosfets? like on tubes?
2018-08-25T20:31:49 < mawk> yes
2018-08-25T20:32:08 < mawk> grid, drain, source
2018-08-25T20:47:09 < bitmask> meep meep
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2018-08-25T21:46:32 < kakimir> them passwds
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2018-08-25T22:13:23 < kakimir> linkedin - should I bother?
2018-08-25T22:13:50 < kakimir> hey it's 22:13PM
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2018-08-25T22:13:58 < kakimir> I don't know how weather is outside
2018-08-25T22:14:27 < karlp> was sunny, little cloudier now
2018-08-25T22:14:54 < kakimir> it's night
2018-08-25T22:15:02 < kakimir> I can see it's not raining
2018-08-25T22:16:24 < kakimir> hello superbia1 
2018-08-25T22:16:29 < kakimir> how is projects?
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2018-08-25T22:21:34 < Steffanx> Welcome in your new home superbia1
2018-08-25T22:22:10 < kakimir> from where to where you moved
2018-08-25T22:22:20 < Steffanx> idk
2018-08-25T22:22:50 < Steffanx> Do you work for tectu now?
2018-08-25T22:23:44 < kakimir> how is money?
2018-08-25T22:23:52 < kakimir> money is good?
2018-08-25T22:24:05 < Steffanx> money in le swiss is always good.
2018-08-25T22:24:43 < Steffanx> Are we in hostile mode again? 
2018-08-25T22:24:50 < kakimir> true superbia1 
2018-08-25T22:24:53 < Steffanx> I can do that too.
2018-08-25T22:26:07 < Steffanx> :P
2018-08-25T22:26:57 < Steffanx> or are you in Zurich or some other super expensive city, superbia1 ?
2018-08-25T22:27:47 < Steffanx> hah ok np
2018-08-25T22:28:22 < BrainDamage> just the general area? french, italian or german?
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2018-08-25T22:31:59 < Steffanx> Thats a "no" too, BrainDamage  :P
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2018-08-25T22:35:23 < bitmask> haha you arent that special superbia1, no one is gonna stalk you
2018-08-25T22:35:26 < bitmask> :)
2018-08-25T22:36:14 < bitmask> grr, how is it 3:30pm already, I haven't done enough work
2018-08-25T22:36:59 < Steffanx> Are you willing to tell us what your new job is in le switzerland superbia1 ?
2018-08-25T22:37:04 < Steffanx> embedded or .. not?
2018-08-25T22:37:29 < Steffanx> oh
2018-08-25T22:37:35 < Steffanx> How did you end up in ##stm32? :D
2018-08-25T22:37:41 < bitmask> why are you here then? not telling you to leave, just curious
2018-08-25T22:39:19 < zyp> everybody I've heard about working in switzerland either are Tectu or works for google
2018-08-25T22:39:58 < Steffanx> lol, interesting zyp
2018-08-25T22:39:59 < bitmask> why is there a google presence in swissland
2018-08-25T22:40:05 < zyp> considering Tectu does embedded, by elimination, superbia1 works for google
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2018-08-25T22:41:20 < bitmask> how do you like working for google?
2018-08-25T22:41:38 < tomeaton17> https://i.redd.it/0342q0mr99i11.jpg
2018-08-25T22:42:26 < Steffanx> Dear tomeaton17, can you rename to Laurenceb___ please?
2018-08-25T22:42:53 < bitmask> and then +b yourself
2018-08-25T22:44:35 < tomeaton17> sorry is that not allowed
2018-08-25T22:45:36 < bitmask> sorry I took that a bit far :) Laurenceb has been bothering me lately with his posts that are such a waste of time that I question how the human race exists
2018-08-25T22:45:51 < Steffanx> i didnt say anything about that, its just easier to recognize crap tomeaton17  :P
2018-08-25T22:48:14 < tomeaton17> Im glad you rate my contributions so highly
2018-08-25T22:48:22 < tomeaton17> okay no more alt right stuff
2018-08-25T22:53:19 < aandrew> huh, interesting
2018-08-25T22:53:30 < aandrew> I have a little nrf51 module doing channel scans and recording rssi
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2018-08-25T22:54:44 < Steffanx> some would say the same about 3d printing bitmask .. waste of time :P
2018-08-25T22:57:04 < bitmask> I guess thats fair.  I like to think I approve of anything considered a hobby as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.  Hobbies are great. The problem I guess is that some would actually consider what LB does a hobby
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2018-08-25T23:06:12 < Cracki> tomeaton17, facts are facts, nothing more :)
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2018-08-25T23:21:54 < tomeaton17> Cracki: this is true
2018-08-25T23:22:47 < tomeaton17> but some facts are racist
2018-08-25T23:22:51 < Cracki> noooo
2018-08-25T23:22:58 < Cracki> there is no such thing
2018-08-25T23:23:08 < Cracki> let's unthing that disgusting notion right now
2018-08-25T23:23:47 < tomeaton17> I was being sarcastic 
2018-08-25T23:23:48 < Cracki> the r-word isn't real either. it's made up.
2018-08-25T23:24:12 < tomeaton17> thats what the liberals want people to think 
2018-08-25T23:24:29 < tomeaton17> about racist facts that is
2018-08-25T23:24:45 < Cracki> liberals aren't serious people
2018-08-25T23:25:22 < Cracki> they think it's funny
2018-08-25T23:25:46 < Cracki> "[...] that's a quote."
2018-08-25T23:25:53 < tomeaton17> I have found they take things seriously when it clearly isnt meant to be taken like that
2018-08-25T23:27:18 < Cracki> weaponized outrage
2018-08-25T23:27:32 < tomeaton17> Cracki, do you like alex jones
2018-08-25T23:27:48 < Cracki> not since he blamed the fucking *chinese* for his deplatforming
2018-08-25T23:28:17 < Cracki> I wouldn't even blame the chinese for the tens of millions of deaths they have in their history.
2018-08-25T23:28:27 < tomeaton17> ok
2018-08-25T23:28:34 < Cracki> you know how that happened, don't you
2018-08-25T23:29:07 < Cracki> you know which new president received blessings from who?
2018-08-25T23:29:32 < tomeaton17> what are you talking about?
2018-08-25T23:29:35 < Cracki> ;)
2018-08-25T23:29:46 < Cracki> google south africa new president blessed
2018-08-25T23:30:53 < Cracki> I had to witness "MAGA people" deny the genocide of the south african boers
2018-08-25T23:31:07 < Cracki> obvious plants.
2018-08-25T23:31:28 < tomeaton17> oh the tweet from the donald
2018-08-25T23:32:07 < tomeaton17> its true
2018-08-25T23:32:51 < Cracki> all the bluechecks of course have to act outraged
2018-08-25T23:33:05 < Cracki> like "how dare you notice things!"
2018-08-25T23:34:00 < Cracki> elon musk knows who owns the media
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2018-08-25T23:34:36 < tomeaton17> some of the people who get verified on twitter...
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2018-08-25T23:42:00 < kakimir> it's about midnight
2018-08-25T23:42:02 < kakimir> time to code
2018-08-25T23:43:46 < kakimir> my sihtlab
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2018-08-25T23:44:34 < Steffanx> No its time to entertain cpctr, superbia1
2018-08-25T23:44:56 < kakimir> my kakilab is actually quite a shitlab
2018-08-25T23:45:14 < kakimir> it's more like hoarding place
2018-08-25T23:45:54 < kakimir> microsoft mathematics
2018-08-25T23:46:05 < Steffanx> you left it in romania?
2018-08-25T23:46:19 < kakimir> casio clone.. why?
2018-08-25T23:46:34 < kakimir> casios are like 20eur
2018-08-25T23:46:51 < Steffanx> Casios are like 10 max
2018-08-25T23:46:52 < kakimir> basic calcs
2018-08-25T23:47:07 < Steffanx> Casio FX-82MS
2018-08-25T23:47:12 < Cracki> use smartphone. android: realcalc
2018-08-25T23:47:30 < Cracki> or use python interactive prompt, or javascript developer console, or ...
2018-08-25T23:47:35 < Steffanx> or use googled.
2018-08-25T23:47:39 < Steffanx> -d
2018-08-25T23:47:40 < Cracki> wolfram alpha too
2018-08-25T23:48:40 < Steffanx> yw
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2018-08-25T23:55:09 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEzb3yPoCm4 90s
2018-08-25T23:57:08 < Steffanx> &t=1m30s
2018-08-25T23:57:59 < kakimir> do you ever get the feeling
2018-08-25T23:58:38 < kakimir> of missing something - something you don't know
2018-08-25T23:58:44 < kakimir> ?
2018-08-25T23:59:29 < Steffanx> Its time for a joint kakimir
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2018-08-25T23:59:39 < Steffanx> or perhaps something stronger. Get spiritual.
--- Day changed Sun Aug 26 2018
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2018-08-26T00:00:39 < kakimir> I have seen everything
2018-08-26T00:00:58 < Steffanx> Lies, that would mean you would miss something :P
2018-08-26T00:01:03 < Steffanx> *wouldnt
2018-08-26T00:03:38 < kakimir> it's too much
2018-08-26T00:03:45 < kakimir> there is too much to process
2018-08-26T00:04:00 < kakimir> when you open that door
2018-08-26T00:05:16 < Steffanx> im not dead superbia1
2018-08-26T00:06:21 < Steffanx> hm, is our cpctr a electrolytic cap?
2018-08-26T00:11:04 < Steffanx> read title, closed page
2018-08-26T00:11:14 < Steffanx> moved superbia1  into the Blaxter box.
2018-08-26T00:11:34 < kakimir> superbia1: how did you know!?
2018-08-26T00:11:39 < kakimir> I need that
2018-08-26T00:13:04 < kakimir> thanks!
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2018-08-26T00:15:53 < cpctr> hi friends
2018-08-26T00:16:30 < Steffanx> déjà vu
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2018-08-26T00:26:31 < Steffanx> Sleep well mr superbia1 
2018-08-26T00:31:09 < cpctr> my funds are safe
2018-08-26T00:31:36 < Steffanx> u
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2018-08-26T00:35:33 < cpctr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRXdxiot5JM
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2018-08-26T01:29:31 < kakimir> irc friend wants to give me win 10 enterprise licence key
2018-08-26T01:31:33 < mawk> what for
2018-08-26T01:32:16 < oz4ga> use pico. Done.
2018-08-26T01:32:20 < kakimir> there ie. is no telemetry
2018-08-26T01:33:02 < oz4ga> you can block that in your firewall
2018-08-26T01:33:25 < kakimir> windows firewall?
2018-08-26T01:34:08 < oz4ga> no
2018-08-26T01:34:36 < oz4ga> well you could probably also block it in windows firewall
2018-08-26T01:34:51 < oz4ga> but the you'll have to do it on every computer on your lan
2018-08-26T01:34:58 < oz4ga> then
2018-08-26T01:35:09 < kakimir> why?
2018-08-26T01:35:20 < oz4ga> why what?
2018-08-26T01:35:32 < kakimir> oh
2018-08-26T01:35:39 < kakimir> you mean physical firewall box
2018-08-26T01:35:53 < kakimir> I move between networks man
2018-08-26T01:36:33 < oz4ga> if you block that blasted telemety in en central firewall you are done with that for all win computers on your lan. if you don't do it centrally, you'll have to do the same blockein on every computer you don't want to talk to ms
2018-08-26T01:37:25 < oz4ga> yes i meant the physical box.
2018-08-26T01:37:54 < oz4ga> if it's lappy you move around you should probably do it locally yes
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2018-08-26T01:39:02 < oz4ga> get the key then, and share it with the rest of us :)
2018-08-26T01:40:35 < kakimir> I have 1 win computer
2018-08-26T01:40:58 < kakimir> and like piles of linux computers
2018-08-26T01:44:03 < oz4ga> got both plus FreeBSD. It all depends on what I'm doing which os I use. For some tasks one is better suited than the other. For the next it may the other way around
2018-08-26T01:44:20 < oz4ga> I'm pragmatic
2018-08-26T01:47:34 < catphish> wow, i could not have found a better enclosure for my device: http://pcbaboard.sell.everychina.com/p-102954881/showimage.html wonder how much something like that costs
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2018-08-26T01:49:06 < mawk> if I want to do high-side switching of a 5V power rail using a 3.3V logic signal on a PNP transistor, you agree that I can't do it directly right ?
2018-08-26T01:49:18 < mawk> to bring the transistor to an off state I have to be higher than 5V
2018-08-26T01:50:20 < catphish> i think high impedance would cause that
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2018-08-26T01:50:42 < catphish> as long as the 3v3 port can handle 5v input in high impedance mode
2018-08-26T01:50:51 < catphish> then the transistor will supply the 5v
2018-08-26T01:51:12 < mawk> I mean turning off the transistor
2018-08-26T01:51:13 < catphish> in other words, connecting it to nothing will turn it off
2018-08-26T01:51:28 < mawk> 0V to its base will turn it on, 5V will turn if off
2018-08-26T01:51:30 < mawk> 3.3V will turn it on
2018-08-26T01:51:40 < mawk> at least when I tried
2018-08-26T01:51:54 < catphish> connecting it to 0v will turn it on, 3v3 will turn it on too, but connecting it to *nothing* will turn it off
2018-08-26T01:52:19 < catphish> ie setting the output high impedance
2018-08-26T01:52:45 < mawk> ah
2018-08-26T01:52:46 < mawk> indeed
2018-08-26T01:53:02 < mawk> but then if I touch the base with my finger it will turn on
2018-08-26T01:53:17 < catphish> maybe
2018-08-26T01:53:39 < catphish> but you can add a pull-up
2018-08-26T01:53:59 < mawk> yeah
2018-08-26T01:54:11 < catphish> as long as the logic port is 5v tolerant
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2018-08-26T01:54:33 < catphish> it may not even matter in this mode, i'm not sure
2018-08-26T01:55:07 < mawk> I don't think it does matter yeah
2018-08-26T01:55:39 < catphish> this is a nice cheating way to do 5v output from a 3v3 IO
2018-08-26T01:56:15 < catphish> open drain + pull up
2018-08-26T01:58:13 < catphish> https://next-hack.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/A5I10.png
2018-08-26T01:58:33 < catphish> other way round, but same deal
2018-08-26T02:01:18 < catphish> stm32 pins are mostly 5v tolerant anyway :)
2018-08-26T02:04:14 < Steffanx> kakimir: buy a $5 license on ebay.. they seem legit
2018-08-26T02:04:45 < kakimir> i have bought some $30 pro licences
2018-08-26T02:04:49 < kakimir> still operating
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2018-08-26T02:21:29 < oz4ga> KMSpico will give you as may license keys you like. It generates a licens valid for 3 months, plus it set-up a service to reactivate it on regular basis. Much like a permanent DHCP lease.
2018-08-26T02:23:03 < oz4ga> To go enterprice the main problem is to get hold of the install files. Again for 10$ you'll get a link for downloading the SW plus 1 license. Use that first and KMSpice for further installations
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2018-08-26T02:27:32 < kakimir> what does that software do?
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2018-08-26T02:35:42 < oz4ga> it installs win10 enterprice. They are different fron the files for hoem an dthose for pro
2018-08-26T02:36:03 < oz4ga> thay as in the files in that sofware set
2018-08-26T02:36:16 < oz4ga> stupid? yes
2018-08-26T02:36:51 < oz4ga> thats how they make their money
2018-08-26T02:39:03 < catphish> what's even the point of that?
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2018-08-26T03:25:37 < Laurenceb__> kill all cats
2018-08-26T03:25:47  * Laurenceb__ just cleared 5kg of cat shit
2018-08-26T03:26:52 < cpctr> wb
2018-08-26T03:27:04 < cpctr> is that community service?
2018-08-26T03:27:15 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-08-26T03:27:24 < Laurenceb__> just trying to make my garden smell less
2018-08-26T03:27:48 < Laurenceb__> tiem for the Rpi and tensorflow + air rifle cat terminator T1000
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2018-08-26T03:29:18 < emeb_mac> shooting kitties? meanie.
2018-08-26T03:29:43 < emeb_mac> buddy of mine rigged up an optical controlled sprinkler - seemed to work.
2018-08-26T03:29:47 < Laurenceb__> they are unironically scum
2018-08-26T03:30:02 < emeb_mac> invasive species!
2018-08-26T03:30:07 < Laurenceb__> kill wildlife, kill the rainforest for their food, and shit everywhere
2018-08-26T03:30:08 < emeb_mac> (if you live in AU)
2018-08-26T03:30:47 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb__: if you Europeans hadn't upset the balance of nature by killing off the wolves then the cats would be in check.
2018-08-26T03:31:07 < Laurenceb__> a cunning plan
2018-08-26T03:31:09 < emeb_mac> we don't have excess cat problems here where the coyotes live
2018-08-26T03:31:20 < Laurenceb__> tiem to get myself some
2018-08-26T03:32:15 < emeb_mac> come to think of it they're pretty rough on the rat dogs too
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2018-08-26T03:33:58 < Laurenceb__> apparently dogs eat cat shit
2018-08-26T03:34:00 < Laurenceb__> liek wtf
2018-08-26T03:34:10 < emeb_mac> I've seen it. 
2018-08-26T03:34:15 < Laurenceb__> someone suggested I feed to cat shit to dogs
2018-08-26T03:34:17 < emeb_mac> dogs are idiots
2018-08-26T03:34:18 < Laurenceb__> irl lolld
2018-08-26T03:34:59 < cpctr> lol
2018-08-26T03:35:13 < Laurenceb__> just need something to eat the dog shit
2018-08-26T03:35:15 < cpctr> what is on the memenu today 
2018-08-26T03:35:43 < cpctr> apparently free software developers live off eating shit
2018-08-26T03:36:06 < cpctr> according to l0de
2018-08-26T03:36:11 < cpctr> so this is definitely true
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2018-08-26T03:45:56 < Laurenceb__> guess what happened earlier...
2018-08-26T03:45:58 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/hdo2luuwh/
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2018-08-26T03:49:34 < cpctr> idk what that means
2018-08-26T03:49:45 < Laurenceb__> do you literally live in a cave?
2018-08-26T03:50:13 < Laurenceb__> KSI v e r s u s LOGAN PAUL
2018-08-26T03:50:14 < cpctr> how did you know?
2018-08-26T03:50:39 < emeb_mac> the pixels give it away
2018-08-26T04:00:32 < cpctr> https://youtu.be/Gdw-Ljx_tn8?t=2m39s
2018-08-26T04:01:09 < cpctr> https://youtu.be/Gdw-Ljx_tn8?t=3m27s
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2018-08-26T04:17:56 < Laurenceb__> >paying to watch 2 retards hitting each other
2018-08-26T04:19:54 < cpctr> oh boxing?
2018-08-26T04:19:56 < cpctr> or some shit?
2018-08-26T04:20:21 < cpctr> or is it UFC or some other crap today?
2018-08-26T04:21:07 < cpctr> this is chuck
2018-08-26T04:21:27 < cpctr> i better squeeze out a few gents before the day gets away from me
2018-08-26T04:21:28 < jadew> Laurenceb__, you don't like violence?
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2018-08-26T04:56:52 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/8azlenndt/
2018-08-26T04:59:07 < Cracki> traps fill a niche that women don't serve.
2018-08-26T05:04:49 < Laurenceb__> Cracki is Alex confirmed
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2018-08-26T05:11:51 < Laurenceb__> hi
2018-08-26T05:12:06 < Laurenceb__> apparently Alex Jones is gay
2018-08-26T05:12:12 < Laurenceb__> who would have thunk it
2018-08-26T05:13:14 < Cracki> are traps gay?
2018-08-26T05:13:58 < Cracki> is there slashfic of Jones and imagine-my-shock?
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2018-08-26T05:17:33 < jadew> any good movies lately?
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2018-08-26T06:47:35 < bitmask> fucking stupid
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2018-08-26T06:52:39 < englishman> welcome back crt
2018-08-26T06:52:45 < englishman> long time no chat
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2018-08-26T06:58:30 < emeb_mac> I used to be able to hear that
2018-08-26T06:58:51 < emeb_mac> could tell when a TV was on in a room from the sound of the horizontal
2018-08-26T07:01:19 < emeb_mac> true
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2018-08-26T10:16:08 < Steffanx> Crt :o
2018-08-26T10:34:26 < Steffanx> Fancy fair?
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2018-08-26T11:28:32 < Steffanx> You scare people away crt
2018-08-26T12:31:11 < antto> https://i.imgur.com/Q1qhfx4.png
2018-08-26T12:47:33 < Sadale> antto, was ist das?
2018-08-26T12:48:04 < Sadale> Those two cylinders reminds me of ultrasonic distance sensor.
2018-08-26T12:53:30 < zyp> xlr sockets?
2018-08-26T12:53:48 < zyp> or DIN sockets for midi, perhaps?
2018-08-26T13:00:22 < antto> DIN5, midi
2018-08-26T13:01:34 < antto> this is my new attempt to "stuff" midi into digital audio and recover it
2018-08-26T13:01:50 < antto> the 4 TSSOPs are 74hc595 ;P~
2018-08-26T13:01:52  * antto hides
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2018-08-26T13:07:37 < Sadale> sounds cool! :)
2018-08-26T13:08:03 < Sadale> What's the microcontroller? I hope that it's STM32 :P
2018-08-26T13:08:57 < antto> it's 8bit
2018-08-26T13:09:54 < Sadale> booooooooooooooooooo
2018-08-26T13:10:06 < Sadale> shame on you! I meant, that's cool :P
2018-08-26T13:10:16 < antto> it would've been quite simpler to put an arm-cortex of some sort that has serial audio input interface directly, but then i'd be stuck with the code
2018-08-26T13:10:42 < Sadale> which 8bit mcu, tho
2018-08-26T13:10:50 < antto> xmega32a4u
2018-08-26T13:13:30 < antto> so i feed the fast serial audio into shift-registers to turn it into parallel data
2018-08-26T13:14:27 < antto> it would've been great if i used STA120 because it has a more ideal output format, but that chip looks like discontinued
2018-08-26T13:14:42 < antto> it's also uber cheap
2018-08-26T13:15:17 < antto> i ended up using DIR9001
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2018-08-26T13:30:22 < Sadale> booooooooooo it isn't even STM :P
2018-08-26T13:34:11 < antto> i really wished i could use the STA120, if that makes things better
2018-08-26T13:39:29 < Steffanx> Does it really need those wiggles antto ?
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2018-08-26T13:57:54 < antto> i don't know, i tried to roughly keep the serial audio signals at equal lengths, because it can go up to 6.144MHz
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2018-08-26T14:06:28 < BrainDamage> antto: compressed digital audio or not?
2018-08-26T14:06:50 < antto> not compressed
2018-08-26T14:07:04 < antto> it should be PCM
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2018-08-26T16:09:01 < tctw> the tectu has come
2018-08-26T16:12:06 < Hamilton> as prohpecy fortold
2018-08-26T16:12:20 < Hamilton> *discord user here
2018-08-26T16:14:00 < kakimir> winter is coming
2018-08-26T16:17:31 < karlp> oz4ga: what tasks is freebsd better suited for?
2018-08-26T16:18:09 < jpa-> feeling superior on irc
2018-08-26T16:18:51 < Hamilton> jpa-, I tried to set up Matrix so I can have one true solution to all IRC/discord/...
2018-08-26T16:19:13 < Hamilton> Turns out I need the permission of channel mod for a bridge
2018-08-26T16:19:51 < BrainDamage> there's multiple forms of bridges
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2018-08-26T16:20:14 < BrainDamage> you don't need for the one that works similar to a bouncer, where it spawns a fake user in your name
2018-08-26T16:20:40 < BrainDamage> you need permission for the one that acts like a relay between chatrooms
2018-08-26T16:20:58 < BrainDamage> it can also be rather annoying due to chained nicks, lack of filtering / mute, etc
2018-08-26T16:22:33 < Hamilton> BrainDamage, So in recent events that +r is defualt, how is that gonna work out hassle-free?
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2018-08-26T16:35:01 < BrainDamage> you just register the nick
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2018-08-26T17:10:07 < bitmask> last day of school!
2018-08-26T17:14:45 < Thorn> how do I ethercat
2018-08-26T17:22:25 < tctw> but mcu
2018-08-26T17:22:27 < tctw> buy phy
2018-08-26T17:22:29 < tctw> use lwip
2018-08-26T17:22:32 < tctw> get fed up by it
2018-08-26T17:22:41 < tctw> buy wolfssl/mqtt/tcp
2018-08-26T17:22:45 < tctw> happyness.
2018-08-26T17:22:50 < tctw> </true_story>
2018-08-26T17:23:31 < Thorn> the only mcu with ethercat slave that I found is $$$ infineon
2018-08-26T17:24:16 < tctw> damn, my brain instantly parsed 'ethercat' as dongs-speech for 'ethernet'
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2018-08-26T17:26:43 < Thorn> XMC4800 specifically
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2018-08-26T17:36:44 < englishman> looks like you are supposed to use ethernet mac and phy? and implement the rest in software
2018-08-26T17:36:48 < englishman> it is one of the selling points
2018-08-26T17:37:10 < englishman> EtherCAT uses Standard Ethernet (IEEE 802.3 - Ethernet MAC and PHY) without modifications.
2018-08-26T17:37:10 < englishman> Therefore, EtherCAT does not require special hardware in the master device and can be implemented in software on any standard Ethernet MAC
2018-08-26T17:37:42 < qyx> afaik only for master
2018-08-26T17:37:52 < qyx> slaves rewrite frames on the fly
2018-08-26T17:37:54 < englishman> ah yes just for master
2018-08-26T17:38:07 < englishman> a little more complicated for nodes
2018-08-26T17:38:21 < Thorn> the xmc4800 dev board comes with an ethercat "shield" that doesn't look anything like a normal ethernet interface
2018-08-26T17:38:53 < Thorn> https://www.infineon.com/export/sites/default/media/products/Microcontrollers/XMC/XMC4800_Relax_EtherCat_Kit.JPG_2100754189.jpg
2018-08-26T17:38:58 < englishman> https://github.com/ethercat-diy/arducat
2018-08-26T17:39:06 < englishman> arduino to the rescue
2018-08-26T17:40:06 < englishman> https://openethercatsociety.github.io/
2018-08-26T17:40:37 < Thorn> why are there 2 interfaces labeled IN and OUT
2018-08-26T17:40:45 < Thorn> is it like token ring?
2018-08-26T17:41:16 < englishman> from my 2 seconds of reading, ethercat signals propagate to all nodes simultaneously
2018-08-26T17:41:23 < englishman> there is no routing
2018-08-26T17:41:29 < englishman> so it is kind of like canbus
2018-08-26T17:41:53 < englishman> in topology
2018-08-26T17:42:32 < englishman> no it is a little like tokenring without the token
2018-08-26T17:42:53 < englishman> you can reach all nodes with one frame
2018-08-26T17:43:20 < Thorn> you can do that in ethernet too, within a "broadcast domain"
2018-08-26T17:45:24 < zyp> ethercat is using a ring topology
2018-08-26T17:45:37 < zyp> master sends a frame that passes through all slaves and comes back to master
2018-08-26T17:46:22 < zyp> slaves get configured to read or rewrite specific fields in each frame
2018-08-26T17:46:31 < zyp> so it gets rewritten by each slave it passes through
2018-08-26T17:47:31 < zyp> so each node just gets the data as it gets sent by the node in front of it in the ring
2018-08-26T17:56:18 < englishman> yeah pretty neat
2018-08-26T17:56:36 < englishman> what will you use it for thorn
2018-08-26T17:57:00 < zyp> we opted to go for ethernet powerlink instead for the stuff I'm doing at work
2018-08-26T17:57:15 < zyp> to avoid the need for special hardware
2018-08-26T17:58:03 < zyp> instead we had to find switch chips that can do hub mode, and the few ones that exist are almost NRND, so in retrospect one can ask how smart that was :p
2018-08-26T17:58:48 < zyp> ethernet powerlink is broadcast based, so it relies on hubs to avoid the store-and-forward-delay you get in a chain of switches
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2018-08-26T18:05:48 < Thorn> I'm not yet sure if I need it at all
2018-08-26T18:10:20 < sync> zyp: tbh if you don't do super annoying stuff just doing ethercat in hardware is fine
2018-08-26T18:11:05 < zyp> yeah, assuming you have ethercat hardware
2018-08-26T18:11:10 < sync> and in our experience even shoving time critical stuff through switches is fine
2018-08-26T18:11:12 < sync> no
2018-08-26T18:11:36 < sync> I know a few people that do it on some regular arm cpu and it works fine
2018-08-26T18:12:06 < zyp> well, sure
2018-08-26T18:15:27 < qyx> actually what stops you from doing an ethercat slave on a common eth mac+phy?
2018-08-26T18:15:47 < qyx> without the rewriting on-the-fly of course
2018-08-26T18:15:55 < qyx> just receive the frame, rewrite it and transmit
2018-08-26T18:19:31 < zyp> nothing, until you hit latency concerns
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2018-08-26T18:38:07 < karlp> but if you're not going to use the latency, why both using ethercat at all?
2018-08-26T18:38:40 < zyp> exactly :)
2018-08-26T18:43:09 < sync> because it is ethernet and works
2018-08-26T18:45:28 < qyx> in this case modbus tcp works too
2018-08-26T18:45:49 < qyx> idk
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2018-08-26T18:57:20 < catphish> ffs, i just looked again at this timecode receiver, and it comes unpackaged or in a TSSOP-16
2018-08-26T18:57:30 < catphish> problem solved
2018-08-26T18:58:03 < catphish> https://www.mas-oy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/da6180B.pdf
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2018-08-26T19:10:00 < Laurenceb__> ooh v nice
2018-08-26T19:12:58 < Laurenceb__> bit more power hungry than the other one
2018-08-26T19:13:09 < Laurenceb__> but it doesnt have to run at very high duty cycle at all
2018-08-26T19:13:43 < Steffanx> Just be sure to buy a few k of them, looks like a chip to get obsoleted suddenly
2018-08-26T19:14:13 < catphish> Laurenceb__: 50uA is fine if it only runs for a couple of minutes a day :)
2018-08-26T19:14:40 < catphish> yeah, i'll have to stock up on them if it works, it's crazy that it's so hard to find this product
2018-08-26T19:15:00 < catphish> i *suspect* there are other ICs that do the same and are marketed as geenric RC receivers
2018-08-26T19:15:03 < catphish> *RF
2018-08-26T19:15:09 < catphish> but i have no idea what to buy :(
2018-08-26T19:15:26 < catphish> and this thing should work great as it's built for this exact purpose
2018-08-26T19:16:10 < catphish> Laurenceb__: i started a case design: https://i.imgur.com/z1YmmN7.png
2018-08-26T19:16:38 < Laurenceb__> eww OpenSCAD
2018-08-26T19:16:56 < catphish> i only learned of its existance this morning and i love it
2018-08-26T19:19:35 < Laurenceb__> FreeCAD ftw
2018-08-26T19:20:08 < kakimir> solidworks ftw
2018-08-26T19:20:17 < Rickta59> blender ftw
2018-08-26T19:20:20 < Thorn> openscad reminds me of povray
2018-08-26T19:20:23 < branjb> mspaint ftw
2018-08-26T19:20:24 < kakimir> Rickta59: negative
2018-08-26T19:20:49 < tomeaton> freecad user interface is pretty weird
2018-08-26T19:21:02 < Rickta59> actually i like online openjscad thing too
2018-08-26T19:21:21 < tomeaton> its its obj export is a bit broken
2018-08-26T19:21:25 < tomeaton> last time I checked
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2018-08-26T19:25:10 < Rickta59> is there any place i can find an asm .equ version of the stm32f0x.h? or a util to convert the head to a asm .equ ones?
2018-08-26T19:25:15 < Laurenceb__> catphish: that receiver ic looks a bit of a pain to buy, but ineltek say they stock it for uk distribution
2018-08-26T19:26:01 < Rickta59>   .equiv GPIOA,    AHB2PERIPH_BASE+0x00000000
2018-08-26T19:26:03 < Rickta59> like that
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2018-08-26T20:57:47 < Laurenceb__> I would like to nominate John McCain's brain tumour for this years Nobel Peace prize.
2018-08-26T20:58:33 < Rickta59> isn't he the guy who did the live mic thing bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, iran?
2018-08-26T20:59:05 < Laurenceb__> yes
2018-08-26T20:59:39 < Steffanx> And yet his brain tumour has more humor than Laurenceb__  will ever have.
2018-08-26T21:00:34 < Rickta59> h: that receiver ic looks a bit of a pain to buy, but ineltek 
2018-08-26T21:00:54 < Rickta59> hmm .. mis past
2018-08-26T21:00:55 < Rickta59> e
2018-08-26T21:00:59 < Rickta59> grep RCC_CR_ CMSIS/stm32f051x8.h | sed -e 's/\(#define\) \([A-Za-z0-9_]\+\) \(.*\)/  .equiv \2, \3/'
2018-08-26T21:01:07 < Rickta59> that gets me 99% to what i wanted
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2018-08-26T21:01:49 < Rickta59> * answering my own question from earlier
2018-08-26T21:03:38 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/khc84u4fl/
2018-08-26T21:08:44 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/oqgy74xg1/
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2018-08-26T21:44:20 < bitmask> what gives you the desire to post these things?
2018-08-26T21:47:24 < Laurenceb__> my inner troll
2018-08-26T21:49:07 < englishman> it's pretty sad that mccain died
2018-08-26T21:49:11 < englishman> whatever you think of his politics
2018-08-26T21:49:26 < englishman> on deck during the forrestal disaster
2018-08-26T21:49:32 < englishman> 5.5 years in a vietnam POW camp
2018-08-26T21:49:45 < englishman> then goes on to be a politician
2018-08-26T21:52:08 < Cracki> there are pics of him compared to his fellow prisoners
2018-08-26T21:52:13 < Laurenceb__> > on deck during the forrestal disaster
2018-08-26T21:52:20 < Laurenceb__> he caused it ffs
2018-08-26T21:52:30 < Laurenceb__> then ran below deck like a coward
2018-08-26T21:52:31 < Cracki> he seems to have made a deal because he looks healthy and they look starved
2018-08-26T21:52:57 < Laurenceb__> yeah he disclosed secret info in return for food
2018-08-26T21:53:35 < Cracki> who *celebrates* mccain? hello.
2018-08-26T21:54:47 < Cracki> his loyalty wasn't to the usa, but to their "greatest ally"
2018-08-26T21:55:56 < Cracki> he hung out with republicans but gets the most praise from democrats and communists
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2018-08-26T22:04:02 < Laurenceb__> sheet
2018-08-26T22:04:12 < Laurenceb__> hope my brother didnt get shot O_o
2018-08-26T22:04:42 < Laurenceb__> >video game tournament
2018-08-26T22:04:49 < Laurenceb__> kek hes not that sad
2018-08-26T22:06:38 < Laurenceb__> typical Florida news
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2018-08-26T22:18:34 < bitmask> wtf is wrong with people, and over madden?
2018-08-26T22:19:54 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
2018-08-26T22:22:16 < tomeaton> this is america
2018-08-26T22:24:55 < tomeaton> action jackson
2018-08-26T22:26:12 < Laurenceb__> https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/594yxd/interracial-cuckold-porn-white-male-insecurity-race
2018-08-26T22:26:32 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/WOePxrC.jpg
2018-08-26T22:26:32 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/PamRlq6.jpg
2018-08-26T22:26:32 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/vyVnlVP.jpg
2018-08-26T22:26:33 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/857pB8a.jpg
2018-08-26T22:26:35 < englishman> who wants chicken
2018-08-26T22:26:54 < englishman> powered by tarduino and ragepberripi
2018-08-26T22:27:06 < Laurenceb__> not sure if goatse
2018-08-26T22:27:09 < Cracki> Laurenceb__, I wonder why there is no interracial with the chosen ones
2018-08-26T22:27:16 < Laurenceb__> heh
2018-08-26T22:27:57 < Cracki> people on twitter photoshop some pictures of that ;)
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2018-08-26T22:28:18 < tomeaton> of course its a vice article
2018-08-26T22:28:34 < Cracki> a burnt offering! of chicken!
2018-08-26T22:29:09 < tomeaton> for my fellow TriHards
2018-08-26T22:29:40 < Cracki> my primary association of "fellow"-sentences will never be the same
2018-08-26T22:31:10 < tomeaton> ok
2018-08-26T22:31:29 < Cracki> search "fellow white people"
2018-08-26T22:31:40 < Cracki> you won't believe the coincidences
2018-08-26T22:32:36 < tomeaton> I know of this
2018-08-26T22:33:25 < Cracki> coincidence detection is actually a basic function of the brain, even in the parts that are below the neocortex
2018-08-26T22:34:33 < tomeaton> search trihard twitch emote
2018-08-26T22:35:39 < jadew> what's new?
2018-08-26T22:35:49 < Cracki> heh
2018-08-26T22:36:14 < englishman> jadew, my temp logger arrived friday, and it works great
2018-08-26T22:36:19 < englishman> also it was only $180
2018-08-26T22:36:50 < englishman> hmm no, $155+ship
2018-08-26T22:37:06 < englishman> so i am afraid i will not be buying the romanian clone
2018-08-26T22:37:19 < jadew> englishman, nice, wasn't it supposed to be ~$400?
2018-08-26T22:37:23 < englishman> pico tc-08
2018-08-26T22:37:36 < englishman> yeah that is the retail price
2018-08-26T22:38:15 < englishman> yes
2018-08-26T22:38:31 < jadew> that's exactly what I said
2018-08-26T22:38:50 < englishman> of course, anyone can
2018-08-26T22:39:08 < englishman> i can make a marshmallow powered rocket to mars
2018-08-26T22:39:10 < englishman> if i really wnted
2018-08-26T22:39:11 < jadew> a couple of hours tops to hack one together, with a custom case
2018-08-26T22:39:36 < englishman> unfortunately while that "few hours" was passing i clicked add to cart and the thing arrived on friday for $155
2018-08-26T22:40:26 < englishman> no it works amaze
2018-08-26T22:40:49 < jadew> I get it tho
2018-08-26T22:40:58 < englishman> so, i have a working product for 5mins investment + $155
2018-08-26T22:41:14 < englishman> vs days of work, prototyping time and components maybe $200
2018-08-26T22:41:23 < Steffanx> its german, what can be wrong superbia ?
2018-08-26T22:41:40 < Steffanx> but you cheated englishman . ebay -_-
2018-08-26T22:43:50 < Laurenceb__> https://www.truthdig.com/articles/investigating-john-mccains-tragedy-at-sea/
2018-08-26T22:44:33 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/Beschizza/status/1033519881268940806
2018-08-26T22:46:23 < jadew> lol Thorn
2018-08-26T22:47:41 < Steffanx> where is ReadError / ReadError_ ?
2018-08-26T22:49:44 < karlp> sync: no, I mean, if you're not using ethercat parts of ethercat, why not just stick to ethernet.
2018-08-26T22:50:51 < Thorn> why / when would anyone choose ethercat over can?
2018-08-26T22:52:54 < sync> karlp: yeah I get that but then you have to roll your own
2018-08-26T22:53:30 < karlp> roll your own what?
2018-08-26T22:53:35 < sync> protocol for shit
2018-08-26T22:54:13 < karlp> right, so you _are_ using ethercat then...
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2018-08-26T22:57:45 < Steffanx> You shouldnt listen to what others listen to, you have this special genre you like right?
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2018-08-26T22:59:36 < englishman> Steffanx i thought you learned all about ReadError's disappearance on the efnet news
2018-08-26T22:59:54 < Steffanx> yes, but fake news right englishman?
2018-08-26T23:00:09 < englishman> all news is fake to some degree
2018-08-26T23:00:10 < Steffanx> as in, such guy cant reaaaally be gone
2018-08-26T23:00:17 < englishman> it is up to you to decide which it is
2018-08-26T23:00:32 < Steffanx> unless he is your alter-ego
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2018-08-26T23:02:18 < Steffanx> Yes, but do you give a damn?
2018-08-26T23:03:22 < Steffanx> :)
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2018-08-26T23:04:16 < englishman> classical techno
2018-08-26T23:05:17 < Steffanx> is that like tiesto  - adagio for strings?
2018-08-26T23:06:20 < Cracki> Laurenceb__, oh my fucking god that fucker really did liken a burning ship to the burnt offering!
2018-08-26T23:06:22 < jadew> superbia, makes you seem like a snob, because most people who listen to classical music are just that
2018-08-26T23:06:47 < jadew> I enjoy classical music too, but I'd never confess it at a table
2018-08-26T23:07:20 < englishman> i think the swiss are only allowed to listen to classical. and marches
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2018-08-26T23:07:24 < jadew> I used to fall asleep on it, since I was a baby, because the radio was on all the time at night
2018-08-26T23:08:18 < jadew> I don't know... whatever my grandparents were listening
2018-08-26T23:08:22 < tomeaton> smooth classics on classic fm
2018-08-26T23:09:02 < jadew> we didn't have FM back then
2018-08-26T23:09:06 < jadew> superbia, how old are you?
2018-08-26T23:09:22 < jadew> 33
2018-08-26T23:09:44 < jadew> I remember the revolution :P
2018-08-26T23:10:52 < Steffanx> Isnt there one every 10 years?
2018-08-26T23:12:12 < jadew> don't know, it almost seems like countries are too big for everyone to agree on things
2018-08-26T23:12:57 < Steffanx> At least you people go rioting on the street
2018-08-26T23:13:14 < Steffanx> In dutchland we accept getting fucked
2018-08-26T23:13:27 < Steffanx> Nah dont accept it, but let it be.
2018-08-26T23:14:15 < jadew> that just means that people are not upset enough
2018-08-26T23:15:39 < Cracki> propaganda does that to you
2018-08-26T23:15:40 < jadew> that's how shit creeps in, gets through all the cracks while nobody is too bothered by the smell, then when they are, they realize it's everywhere
2018-08-26T23:16:05 < Cracki> an armed populace is a free populace
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2018-08-26T23:17:26 < jadew> if you look at the US tho, it seems like the governing body is so separated from the people that they couldn't even fight it if they wanted to
2018-08-26T23:17:53 < jadew> and if they did, they'd be squashed
2018-08-26T23:18:12 < jadew> (the people)
2018-08-26T23:18:14 < Cracki> look at germany. it's fucked.
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2018-08-26T23:19:13 < jadew> I trully wonder if there's any country in the world where there's true democracy and where the rulling class is not really a rulling class
2018-08-26T23:19:39 < jadew> is there any country where power isn't handed down from father to son?
2018-08-26T23:20:20 < Cracki> japan, they're one people and nobody else rules them
2018-08-26T23:20:25 < jadew> in the sense that it's held only by some families
2018-08-26T23:20:26 < Cracki> all ethnostates.
2018-08-26T23:21:17 < jadew> could anyone become a president?
2018-08-26T23:21:30 < Cracki> all the nations with problems are not ruled by one of their own.
2018-08-26T23:22:38 < Cracki> don't forget, the media wield immense influence
2018-08-26T23:26:49 < Cracki> do it like duterte, put a bounty on drug dealers
2018-08-26T23:27:24 < jadew> damn... hitchens used to look like my dad in '85
2018-08-26T23:27:26 < Rickta59> yeah that works until your neighbor decides he doesn't like you and turns you in
2018-08-26T23:27:55 < Cracki> a functioning country should crack down on public health risks. in germany, they let the drug dealers do their thing in parks... it's a shame.
2018-08-26T23:28:34 < Steffanx> ircing in ##stm32 is also a health risk :P
2018-08-26T23:28:46 < englishman> may result in smoked chicken
2018-08-26T23:29:05 < Cracki> as long as it's well done, no risk there
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2018-08-26T23:29:30 < Cracki> let's just hope nobody smoked your neighbor because someone called him a chicken once
2018-08-26T23:29:36 < englishman> Probe 1 160.5°
2018-08-26T23:29:38 < englishman> almost there
2018-08-26T23:29:45 < jadew> Cracki, problem with junkies is that they're dangerous
2018-08-26T23:29:46 < Steffanx> heh
2018-08-26T23:29:55 < Steffanx> does it do LORA englishman ?
2018-08-26T23:29:59 < jadew> especially when they're out of drugs
2018-08-26T23:30:03 < englishman> no just regular wifi
2018-08-26T23:30:12 < Cracki> closed rehab
2018-08-26T23:30:25 < Cracki> public dangers need to be dealt with
2018-08-26T23:30:31 < jadew> I agree
2018-08-26T23:30:34 < Steffanx> Ban alcohol.
2018-08-26T23:30:43 < jadew> I agree to that too
2018-08-26T23:30:54 < jadew> well, not ban it
2018-08-26T23:31:02 < Cracki> I would support at least a license for the consumption of alcohol... like are you adult enough to handle it responsibly
2018-08-26T23:31:04 < jadew> but if you do something while drunk, you should get seriously fucked
2018-08-26T23:31:06 < tomeaton> didn't that cause more crime?
2018-08-26T23:31:10 < jadew> (by the system)
2018-08-26T23:31:14 < Cracki> alcohol kills ORDERS of magnitude more people than guns
2018-08-26T23:31:25 < Cracki> prohibition isn't control
2018-08-26T23:31:46 < tomeaton> yes, but you cant kill another person with alcohol
2018-08-26T23:32:00 < jadew> sure you can
2018-08-26T23:32:01 < englishman> i have asked my guns nicely if they wanted to kill people and they all stayed mute.
2018-08-26T23:32:05 < Steffanx> Your car can tomeaton
2018-08-26T23:32:06 < jadew> you get into a car
2018-08-26T23:32:09 < Steffanx> while you drunk drive.
2018-08-26T23:32:10 < Cracki> narrow effect chain. irrelevant.
2018-08-26T23:32:22 < tomeaton> yes this is true
2018-08-26T23:32:36 < Cracki> it's a fact. alcohol abuse costs more lives than gun shot wounds.
2018-08-26T23:32:47 < Steffanx> in dutchland we have this saying "silence is consent" englishman  :P
2018-08-26T23:32:47 < Cracki> there's no denying this.
2018-08-26T23:32:54 < Cracki> raaaape!
2018-08-26T23:32:59 < jadew> didn't know, but it sounds plausible
2018-08-26T23:33:02  * Cracki gets the duct tape
2018-08-26T23:33:32 < tomeaton> My family has a massive problem with alcoholism it kind of sucks
2018-08-26T23:33:43 < jadew> you too?
2018-08-26T23:34:02 < Steffanx> Is your father also a Blaxter, tomeaton ?
2018-08-26T23:34:03 < englishman> i didnt trust them after that Steffanx 
2018-08-26T23:34:06 < tomeaton> No i dont lol
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2018-08-26T23:34:22 < tomeaton> Steffanx, i don't understand ;
2018-08-26T23:34:31 < Cracki> he's just pissing on the blax
2018-08-26T23:34:34 < tomeaton> its just my mothers family who does
2018-08-26T23:34:37 < Steffanx> lol no Cracki .
2018-08-26T23:34:52 < Steffanx> im just referring to all the nice stories about his family he tells once in a while.
2018-08-26T23:35:13 < tomeaton> they will just be 24/7 drinking stella
2018-08-26T23:35:36 < Cracki> family... you can't shoot them but you can't let them live without extra ventilation either
2018-08-26T23:35:47 < jadew> speaking of stella
2018-08-26T23:35:53 < jadew> going to get one from the fridge
2018-08-26T23:36:04 < jadew> (non alcoholic)
2018-08-26T23:36:04 < tomeaton> nice cold can of wife beater
2018-08-26T23:36:17 < Cracki> around the year 2000 there was this "Moorhuhn" game popular in germany
2018-08-26T23:36:29 < Cracki> you shot at some kind of chicken that flew across your screen
2018-08-26T23:36:35 < Steffanx> tomeaton, VB is the real wife beater bear. Ask crt
2018-08-26T23:36:40 < Steffanx> Victoria bitter iirc
2018-08-26T23:36:44 < Steffanx> *beer
2018-08-26T23:37:04 < tomeaton> thats the ozzie one isnt it?
2018-08-26T23:37:12 < Steffanx> Yessir
2018-08-26T23:37:32 < tomeaton> the uk equivalent is stella, which is quite funny because its marketed as up market in merica
2018-08-26T23:38:02 < Cracki> what does this say about the beer taste of muricans
2018-08-26T23:38:36 < jadew> by stella you mean stealla artois?
2018-08-26T23:38:37 < tomeaton> its trash
2018-08-26T23:38:42 < Steffanx> Bud beer \o/
2018-08-26T23:38:43 < tomeaton> yeah jadew 
2018-08-26T23:38:50 < jadew> I like it...
2018-08-26T23:38:56 < tomeaton> I like stella as well
2018-08-26T23:39:03 < tomeaton> I don't like bud light
2018-08-26T23:39:19 < englishman> 165.0°
2018-08-26T23:39:20 < jadew> I like other beers too, but stella is more classic (if there is such a thing)
2018-08-26T23:39:23 < Steffanx> Heineken is liked here, while in belgium they say it's piss
2018-08-26T23:39:25 < englishman> time to get the chickens
2018-08-26T23:39:30 < Steffanx> and iirc zyp said it was piss too :P
2018-08-26T23:39:40 < jadew> I like Heineken too
2018-08-26T23:39:48 < tomeaton> Steffanx I live really near a Heineken brewery
2018-08-26T23:39:57 < jadew> (the non alcoholic heineken is also good)
2018-08-26T23:40:04 < tomeaton> Might go on a tour
2018-08-26T23:41:32 < Cracki> unpopular opinion: all beer is piss, you just get used to to certain flavors of piss
2018-08-26T23:41:45 < Steffanx> nope, not me
2018-08-26T23:41:48 < Steffanx> never needed it
2018-08-26T23:42:02 < tomeaton> I have had a suit tailored, but not a tailored suit made
2018-08-26T23:42:04 < jadew> superbia, I had my wedding suit tailor made
2018-08-26T23:42:15 < Steffanx> Does it still fit jadew ?
2018-08-26T23:42:23 < jadew> Steffanx, no...
2018-08-26T23:42:26 < Steffanx> awh
2018-08-26T23:42:42 < Cracki> suits are pretty useless
2018-08-26T23:42:51 < jadew> I could make it fit if I lost a few kg
2018-08-26T23:43:01 < Cracki> why spend 5k on a suit?
2018-08-26T23:43:08 < Cracki> that's burned money
2018-08-26T23:43:12 < jadew> 5k? wth...
2018-08-26T23:43:18 < Steffanx> Cracki will marry in a T-shirt ( if ever ) ?
2018-08-26T23:43:29 < Cracki> marriage is a shit deal
2018-08-26T23:43:34 < Steffanx> Yes.
2018-08-26T23:43:39 < jadew> I paid ~$1k for mine, that included a really nice shirt
2018-08-26T23:43:42 < jadew> also tailor made
2018-08-26T23:43:48 < Cracki> I'll give a collar and that should be enough
2018-08-26T23:43:51 < tomeaton> Steffanx, like this https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HRtTfGSZeLE/maxresdefault.jpg
2018-08-26T23:43:58 < Steffanx> but i assume superbia  will have it made in swisserland?
2018-08-26T23:44:13 < Steffanx> haha indeed tomeaton
2018-08-26T23:44:35 < Cracki> if someone needs me in a suit, they can pay for it
2018-08-26T23:44:35 < tomeaton> he's got the gucci shoes tho :p
2018-08-26T23:45:15 < jadew> I really liked the way that suit fit me
2018-08-26T23:45:19 < jadew> it was the best suit I had
2018-08-26T23:45:23 < jadew> really looked good on me
2018-08-26T23:46:07 < catphish> dense++ https://imgur.com/a/Lnh49fl
2018-08-26T23:46:09 < jadew> so if first impressions were important for my job and I was supposed to wear a suit, I'd get another one made
2018-08-26T23:46:15 < Cracki> might have something to do with the body measurements you have to have to fit in it
2018-08-26T23:46:34 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I married in a T-shirt, doesn't that make sense? You get your ID in a T-shirt, you get your driving license in a T-shirt, why registering a marriage should be any different?
2018-08-26T23:46:39 < jadew> superbia, what's a fitting?
2018-08-26T23:47:13 < Cracki> fitting is when they stick needles in you, accidentally
2018-08-26T23:47:26 < jadew> ah, I don't remember, I went there a couple of times
2018-08-26T23:47:37 < Steffanx> registering is not really a ceremony right PaulFertser ?
2018-08-26T23:47:57 < jadew> superbia, yeah
2018-08-26T23:48:25 < jadew> 5 years ago
2018-08-26T23:48:26 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: here some people make it a ceremony, some do not.
2018-08-26T23:48:58 < Steffanx> i consider marrying as an actual ceremony, not just signing a paper and done.
2018-08-26T23:49:02 < jadew> don't remember
2018-08-26T23:49:12 < jadew> he was a friend of a friend
2018-08-26T23:49:16 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: what does that ceremony supposed to include?
2018-08-26T23:49:28 < Steffanx> idk, dad giving away his daughter wahtever :P
2018-08-26T23:49:49 < Steffanx> idk, whatever you want to make it of it, more than just signing a paper PaulFertser
2018-08-26T23:50:06 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I see no reason to do anything like that, I'm surprised any ##stm regular has a different opinion actually :)
2018-08-26T23:50:07 < karlp> superbia: fly to hongkong, singapore, KL or similar, you can get much cheaper tailored suits there.
2018-08-26T23:50:39 < karlp> well, try different brands of suits then, they're not all the same :)
2018-08-26T23:50:40 < Steffanx> PaulFertser, i wouldnt marry in the first place :P
2018-08-26T23:50:42 < Steffanx> probably.
2018-08-26T23:50:49 < karlp> I have a rack suit that fits really well, but it did take some looking.
2018-08-26T23:51:17 < karlp> I'm not really sure what sort of question you're really asking honestly, but yes? I guess
2018-08-26T23:51:17 < jadew> Steffanx, what's your plan then?
2018-08-26T23:51:42 < Steffanx> go for a partnership or whatever you call it in english?
2018-08-26T23:51:55 < jadew> Steffanx, why not marry?
2018-08-26T23:52:03 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: well, we decided to live together, why not register that.
2018-08-26T23:52:34 < jadew> making it official does indeed add something to it
2018-08-26T23:52:47 < jadew> not much, but it may be enough to get you through the tough times
2018-08-26T23:53:08 < Steffanx> nah, i believe we have a "live together" registering for that, which isnt marriage. PaulFertser
2018-08-26T23:53:21 < Steffanx> Do you have a ring PaulFertser ?
2018-08-26T23:54:50 < jadew> about the ceremony, I hated it, but this is Romania - it would have been weird not to have it
2018-08-26T23:56:10 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: no, we discussed getting rings but went for two necklaces with cats. I do not wear it anymore though, not sure why, I just stopped wearing all my necklaces.
2018-08-26T23:56:44 < jadew> * correction: I didn't hate it - I hated the idea
2018-08-26T23:57:08 < karlp> superbia: I have a tiger of sweden, but that's for _me_
2018-08-26T23:57:12 < jadew> it was ok and weird, but got through it
2018-08-26T23:58:36 < karlp> ok then. good chat.
2018-08-26T23:58:49 < karlp> I did say try a bunch to see what fits you
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2018-08-27T00:00:28 < jadew> I had success with off the shelf suits too
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2018-08-27T00:00:38 < tomeaton> superbia, just go to savile row
2018-08-27T00:00:45 < jadew> you just have to search a lot
2018-08-27T00:00:54 < jadew> never needed extra tailoring
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2018-08-27T00:01:32 < jadew> superbia, you have to look perfect?
2018-08-27T00:01:48 < bitmask> wow, I'm done with school
2018-08-27T00:02:02 < tomeaton> ok
2018-08-27T00:02:03 < jadew> I guess it depends where you're planning to wear it
2018-08-27T00:02:08 < jadew> at events, nobody gives a shit
2018-08-27T00:02:16 < jadew> unless you're the groom
2018-08-27T00:04:43 < jadew> haha
2018-08-27T00:06:18 < jadew> it's true, but if your job doesn't have sales in the title or if it's not for your own wedding, it's probably a waste
2018-08-27T00:06:40 < jadew> you'll outgrow it in a couple of years
2018-08-27T00:07:59 < jadew> how many 30 year olds do you know that look like they did in their 20s?
2018-08-27T00:09:15 < englishman> he is Swiss now and is obliged to spend as much money as he can to compete with other vain swiss
2018-08-27T00:09:26 < Thorn> is it stuffed crt
2018-08-27T00:09:59 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/m0qgc30vl/
2018-08-27T00:10:12 < Laurenceb__> tfw u get triggered epic style and its beautiful
2018-08-27T00:10:33 < PaulFertser> I'm honestly surprised so many of you guys ever need a "good" suit... It's as if you're regular people who give a shit about common society. Where's your usual cynicism and troll-all-those-stupid-cunts attitude?
2018-08-27T00:11:38 < Laurenceb__> I still have it...
2018-08-27T00:11:40 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/9m3obt6td/
2018-08-27T00:11:55 < englishman> $5k is not bad for a fursuit
2018-08-27T00:12:42 < Thorn> superbia will have to go to the wedding in a Borat bathing suit to prove that he belongs to the ##stm32 community
2018-08-27T00:14:10 < englishman> in France they just call it a bathing suit
2018-08-27T00:14:20 < jadew> haha
2018-08-27T00:14:34 < jadew> is anyone here french?
2018-08-27T00:15:28 < jadew> good, cuz they fucking suck
2018-08-27T00:16:31 < jadew> could be my personal experience whith them, since I'm Romanian, but all the french peopl I met outside of France managed to get on my nerves
2018-08-27T00:17:07 < jadew> I don't think they knew my nationality tho, so I just concluded they all suck
2018-08-27T00:17:35 < Cracki> valid conclusion
2018-08-27T00:17:52 < Cracki> maybe you just met those who refuse to speak english
2018-08-27T00:17:57 < Cracki> those are a special brand
2018-08-27T00:18:05 < jadew> oh, it wasn't that, it's how they acted
2018-08-27T00:18:30 < jadew> I don't remember the first 2 interractions when they pissed me off, but I remember the last one
2018-08-27T00:18:45 < Cracki> do tell
2018-08-27T00:18:52 < jadew> I was on a vacation, at the sea side, had an umbrella and two chairs
2018-08-27T00:19:40 < jadew> went with my wife to get some drinks and when we came back the french guy pulled his chairs (3 of them, under our umbrella and between our chairs)
2018-08-27T00:21:09 < Cracki> shameless audacity, that's the french
2018-08-27T00:22:50 < jadew> trying to remember the other two incidents, but I remember they did rude things
2018-08-27T00:24:19 < Cracki> supremacism
2018-08-27T00:24:34 < Cracki> the only cure is to beat them with your shoe
2018-08-27T00:24:54 < jadew> don't know what's their deal, they may not be even realizing what they're doing, in which case it's very hard to blame the individuals
2018-08-27T00:25:14 < jadew> but they do stand out with crap like this
2018-08-27T00:25:41 < Cracki> you don't "blame" the dog for pissing on your rug, you punish it
2018-08-27T00:33:29 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: my wife tells me I was wearing some loose-fitting dress shirt, nowhere near formal, made from some thick soft fabric.
2018-08-27T00:34:35 < Cracki> how to get out of the suit: marry in hot summer, or marry underwater, or while skydiving, ...
2018-08-27T00:35:27 < jadew> Cracki, has been tried, doesn't work: https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/galleries/x701/127861.jpg
2018-08-27T00:35:35 < Steffanx> Hah
2018-08-27T00:35:38 < Cracki> fuck
2018-08-27T00:36:35 < Steffanx> I understand when you skip all the ceremony stuff and just make it a "formality", you skip the suite etc.
2018-08-27T00:36:38 < Steffanx> PaulFertser.
2018-08-27T00:39:54 < Steffanx> I just expected all Russians to do some ceremony. Perhaps in a church considering the russian orthodox church is huuge
2018-08-27T00:40:48 < jadew> Romanian ceremonies are almost always happening in a church
2018-08-27T00:41:36 < Steffanx> Gipsy wedding uh? :p
2018-08-27T00:41:43 < jadew> haha
2018-08-27T00:42:11 < Cracki> gipsys are rootless
2018-08-27T00:42:44 < Cracki> french or italian?
2018-08-27T00:42:47 < Cracki> show pics
2018-08-27T00:43:01 < jadew> shouldn't they be pale with blonde hair?
2018-08-27T00:43:01 < Steffanx> Swisserland import quite a few people...
2018-08-27T00:43:02 < Cracki> perhaps they're illegal immigrants, although the swiss don't believe in open borders
2018-08-27T00:43:06 < Steffanx> Imports*
2018-08-27T00:44:30 < Laurenceb__> my Swedish friend from school is very swarthy
2018-08-27T00:44:32 < Cracki> perhaps you saw some people in metropoles. those are often not natives, but immigrants.
2018-08-27T00:44:39 < Laurenceb__> probably why he became a muslim
2018-08-27T00:44:56 < Cracki> is your school a pile of rubble now?
2018-08-27T00:45:08 < Steffanx> Just now?
2018-08-27T00:45:36 < Laurenceb__> in 2011 or so
2018-08-27T00:45:42 < Laurenceb__> he went to Syria :P
2018-08-27T00:45:46 < Cracki> lol
2018-08-27T00:46:04 < Laurenceb__> prob got blown up lol
2018-08-27T00:46:08 < Cracki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2018-08-27T00:46:10 < Steffanx> I can understand why
2018-08-27T00:46:15 < Cracki> play stupid games, lose your stupid head
2018-08-27T00:46:16 < Steffanx> You ruined him
2018-08-27T00:46:28 < Laurenceb__> everyone used to bully him
2018-08-27T00:46:42 < Cracki> shoulda brought his machete to school maybe
2018-08-27T00:46:45 < Laurenceb__> cuz he was an autist tard
2018-08-27T00:46:54 < Laurenceb__> and used to be really arrogant
2018-08-27T00:47:15 < MrMobius> swiss people arrogant?!
2018-08-27T00:47:33 < Laurenceb__> Swedish
2018-08-27T00:47:51 < MrMobius> is that different?
2018-08-27T00:47:53 < MrMobius> *I kid*
2018-08-27T00:47:54 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-08-27T00:48:19 < Cracki> he wasn't swedish
2018-08-27T00:48:22 < Cracki> he came from sweden
2018-08-27T00:48:32 < Cracki> being something and living there are two different things
2018-08-27T00:48:34 < MrMobius> swedistani then
2018-08-27T00:48:48 < Cracki> if you live in japan, you aren't magically becoming a japanese
2018-08-27T00:49:19 < Laurenceb__> no he was actually Swedish (aiui)
2018-08-27T00:50:12 < MrMobius> swedistananian
2018-08-27T00:50:13 < tomeaton> Cracki, stop ruining weebs dreams
2018-08-27T00:50:37 < Cracki> weebs need to weep
2018-08-27T00:50:57 < tomeaton> ok
2018-08-27T00:51:13 < Cracki> he couldn't have been swedish if he was "swarthy" as you said
2018-08-27T00:51:22 < Cracki> swedes are white and blond
2018-08-27T00:52:10 < Cracki> no "official document" can change who you are
2018-08-27T00:53:16 < MrMobius> it can change who you officially are
2018-08-27T00:53:42 < Steffanx> I spotted some troll activity?
2018-08-27T00:55:51 < Cracki> it's a farce
2018-08-27T00:56:04 < Cracki> lies written down are still lies
2018-08-27T00:56:12 < tomeaton> Steffanx spotting troll activity https://ci.memecdn.com/9314148.gif
2018-08-27T00:56:27 < Cracki> looks accurate. pictures never lie.
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2018-08-27T00:56:46 < Steffanx> What movie is that tomeaton 
2018-08-27T00:56:54 < Cracki> spy kids or soemthing
2018-08-27T00:57:00 < tomeaton> Steffanx, I think spy kids
2018-08-27T00:57:02 < tomeaton> yeah
2018-08-27T00:57:11 < Cracki> why does nobody know of google image search...
2018-08-27T00:57:33 < Cracki> CBIR is still a research field but mature enough that people *here* should know about it
2018-08-27T01:00:49 < tomeaton> https://i.redd.it/bz1vr3a4sgi11.jpg
2018-08-27T01:01:10 < Cracki> kek
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2018-08-27T01:01:50 < Cracki> recently saw a video where some big strong norseman sprang out of a car and chased away a pack of rabid antifas
2018-08-27T01:01:54 < Cracki> they ran like roaches
2018-08-27T01:02:05 < tomeaton> they are roaches
2018-08-27T01:02:23 < Cracki> I should get a good pair of boots...
2018-08-27T01:03:39 < Cracki> he did salute their retreat but I had the impression it was more of a "fuck you"
2018-08-27T01:03:58 < tomeaton> yeah https://i.redd.it/ejp1mgqc31i11.jpg standard antifa member
2018-08-27T01:04:31 < Cracki> a rare deepwater wat
2018-08-27T01:04:55 < Cracki> sounds like a swamp creature
2018-08-27T01:05:59 < tomeaton> yeah shrek irl
2018-08-27T01:09:28 < jadew> lol
2018-08-27T01:09:58 < jadew> about the color of the swidish people, this is what runs on their TVs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3-_KZExlJ0
2018-08-27T01:10:20 < Cracki> enemy propaganda
2018-08-27T01:10:27 < jadew> ran by the state
2018-08-27T01:10:30 < Cracki> genocidal
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2018-08-27T01:10:39 < Cracki> occupied government
2018-08-27T01:11:13 < Cracki> wew look at that ratio! 278 up 4300 down
2018-08-27T01:11:46 < Cracki> tho posted by someone who wants to uncover this deception
2018-08-27T01:12:18 < kakimir> heja sverige
2018-08-27T01:13:09 < englishman> https://streamja.com/e5O9
2018-08-27T01:13:18 < kakimir> hello englishman 
2018-08-27T01:13:31 < kakimir> do you play chess ever?
2018-08-27T01:13:48 < englishman> no
2018-08-27T01:13:53 < kakimir> I played with some canadian guy in chess.com
2018-08-27T01:13:58 < englishman> I can't memorize that much stuff
2018-08-27T01:14:04 < Cracki> pew pew pew
2018-08-27T01:14:19 < kakimir> I said after game "good game"
2018-08-27T01:14:31 < kakimir> he replied "hyva peli"
2018-08-27T01:14:55 < Cracki> uh... a LOSER shot the place up
2018-08-27T01:15:00 < Cracki> wonder who it is
2018-08-27T01:15:15 < Cracki> four dead says some asian news site
2018-08-27T01:16:00 < Cracki> >One Twitter user, Drini Gjoka, said he was in the tournament and was shot in the thumb. "Worst day of my life,"
2018-08-27T01:16:00 < Cracki> Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/gunman-kills-four-at-video-game-tournament-in-florida-10655084
2018-08-27T01:16:08 < Cracki> grrr copyjacking
2018-08-27T01:17:37 < Cracki> I wanna know who shot the place up
2018-08-27T01:17:54 < Cracki> the last time someone was described as "white", it was a mexican
2018-08-27T01:19:30 < tomeaton> is there any footage?
2018-08-27T01:19:33 < catphish> ea have put out a statement saying the survivors should have a great sense of achievement
2018-08-27T01:19:36 < Cracki> I count 12 shots on the livestream
2018-08-27T01:19:49 < tomeaton> Cracki, link?
2018-08-27T01:19:52 < Cracki> see above
2018-08-27T01:20:01 < Cracki> streamja
2018-08-27T01:21:13 < catphish> good thing it happened in america where people are allowed to have guns to defend themselves, think how bad it would have been otherwise
2018-08-27T01:21:42 < Cracki> I would think nobody there was allowed a gun, or would have owned one
2018-08-27T01:21:53 < Cracki> so... carrying a gun would have saved lives
2018-08-27T01:21:57 < tomeaton> they cut the video just in time
2018-08-27T01:22:12 < catphish> but seriously, sucks :(
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2018-08-27T01:22:59 < catphish> where?
2018-08-27T01:23:17 < tomeaton> it had to be a madden tournament
2018-08-27T01:23:44 < Cracki> gief cats
2018-08-27T01:24:20 < Cracki> shooter was Steven "Steveyj" Javaruski, says https://www.local10.com/news/florida/4-dead-after-shooting-at-video-game-tournament-in-jacksonville
2018-08-27T01:24:53 < Cracki> possibly stephen
2018-08-27T01:25:19 < Cracki> https://twitter.com/imsteveyj
2018-08-27T01:25:36 < Cracki> #stayNoble kek
2018-08-27T01:25:54 < Cracki> wait how does that account still tweet...
2018-08-27T01:26:22 < Cracki> guess they got the wrong name then
2018-08-27T01:27:00 < Cracki> ah, misread the sentence
2018-08-27T01:27:18 < Cracki> journalists suck at clean sentences
2018-08-27T01:31:43 < Thorn> anybody using 2mm mechanical pencils?
2018-08-27T01:33:33 < tomeaton> damn thats thicc
2018-08-27T01:33:35 < tomeaton> mines 0.5
2018-08-27T01:35:35 < Thorn> 0.5 is too mainstream
2018-08-27T01:36:22 < Thorn> German engineering https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcWSoE2QG68
2018-08-27T01:36:34 < kakimir> just realized my sleep routine might have a problem
2018-08-27T01:36:49 < kakimir> as the wakeup is rising edge on the pin
2018-08-27T01:37:42 < kakimir> if I call sleep_ms(0) I don't know what will happen
2018-08-27T01:39:03 < Cracki> I use gel pens, absolutely in love with pentel energel
2018-08-27T01:39:20 < Cracki> especially for leftpaws, it just glides over the paper
2018-08-27T01:39:36 < Cracki> sleep_ms(0)?
2018-08-27T01:39:47 < Cracki> does that use a scheduler or a ton of nops?
2018-08-27T01:40:30 < zyp> ms resolution probably uses a 1khz systick
2018-08-27T01:41:58 < Cracki> is that some cubeshit? https://joeferner.github.io/2016/01/18/getting-to-blink-stm32/
2018-08-27T01:42:52 < Cracki> that sleep_us() function there looks a little shady... seems to assume 8 cycles per iteration
2018-08-27T01:43:31 < Cracki> and the local i is forced into ram I would think (volatile, not register)
2018-08-27T01:43:41 < zyp> I'm not sure what you're referring to, just saying that in general, ms resolution tends to be systick based
2018-08-27T01:43:54 < Cracki> sure, but what does kakimir talk about?
2018-08-27T01:44:05 < Cracki> nobody knows
2018-08-27T01:44:18 < zyp> and yes, the stuff you linked to is totally useless
2018-08-27T01:44:40 < Cracki> not totally
2018-08-27T01:44:55 < Cracki> nops are good enough for most purposes, but it's a delay, not a schedule
2018-08-27T01:47:56 < zyp> *totally useless for any sort of accurate timing
2018-08-27T01:48:01 < Cracki> aye :P
2018-08-27T01:48:21 < Cracki> well... drop into assembly, then it gets interesting again
2018-08-27T01:48:30 < tomeaton> that guy should try GPIO_TogglePin
2018-08-27T01:48:33 < zyp> no, it doesn't
2018-08-27T01:48:54 < Cracki> not on millisecond ranges of course
2018-08-27T01:48:58 < zyp> even with assembly code, instruction timing is not fully deterministic
2018-08-27T01:49:22 < Cracki> well, what sources of error are there and can they all be removed?
2018-08-27T01:49:48 < jadew> Cracki, they can't be removed, it's the way the ARM core works
2018-08-27T01:49:49 < zyp> pipelining, flash wait states and contention from other memory masters
2018-08-27T01:49:57 < Cracki> run from ram then
2018-08-27T01:49:59 < jadew> it piplines instructions and you don't know how they get executed
2018-08-27T01:50:03 < jadew> doesn't matter
2018-08-27T01:50:11 < Cracki> what cortex-m don't do pipelining?
2018-08-27T01:50:13 < jadew> this happens right before the instructions get executed
2018-08-27T01:50:32 < zyp> you can eliminate wait states and contention by running from ram and not doing dma
2018-08-27T01:50:51 < zyp> but the pipeline still gives varying instruction timing
2018-08-27T01:51:10 < jadew> you can however put it in a known state and then run your nops (I managed to do that and get repeatable results, but I was never certain it won't break at some point)
2018-08-27T01:51:27 < Cracki> now I'm glad I haven't had to do assembly on a cortex-m yet...
2018-08-27T01:51:40 < zyp> IIRC I've read that cortex-m can fold nops, so a nop on average can take less than a cycle to execute
2018-08-27T01:52:04 < zyp> there's nothing wrong with doing assembly, just don't expect fully deterministic timing
2018-08-27T01:52:18 < zyp> if you need deterministic timing, use a timer, that's what they are for
2018-08-27T01:52:18 < Cracki> good to know it actually has an effect
2018-08-27T01:52:19 < jadew> I managed to get accurate timings with nops, but yeah, had to deal with lots of weird behaviour when I tried to get clock accurate timing
2018-08-27T01:53:14 < Cracki> what did you have to do to put it in a "known state"?
2018-08-27T01:53:47 < jadew> no interrupts and basically run a bunch of code before the critical part
2018-08-27T01:53:58 < jadew> as long as that code didn't change, it seemed to work
2018-08-27T01:54:17 < jadew> I think I had to disable optimization for that file
2018-08-27T01:54:37 < jadew> to make sure the code doesn't get generated differently between different compilations
2018-08-27T01:54:45 < Cracki> sure, interrupts interrupt :P
2018-08-27T01:59:15 < Cracki> hmmm 2mm leadholder, I've seen that before
2018-08-27T01:59:55 < Cracki> to keep the tip pointy, you have to rotate it while drawing lines
2018-08-27T02:00:57 < Thorn> there're specialized sharpeners
2018-08-27T02:01:10 < Cracki> yes, even included in the rotrings
2018-08-27T02:02:34 < Cracki> that youtube review sounds like asmr
2018-08-27T02:03:51 < catphish> zyp: dunno if you saw, i destroyed your boards, i feel bad, but at least i paid for them :) i've ordered my own first prototype boards now anyway
2018-08-27T02:04:11 < Cracki> 23 bucks?! he can get those way cheaper in germany
2018-08-27T02:04:28 < zyp> catphish, didn't see, how?
2018-08-27T02:04:49 < catphish> zyp: by doing a piss poor job of trying to solder to the tag-connect ports
2018-08-27T02:04:56 < zyp> oh, haha
2018-08-27T02:05:34 < catphish> the fist one i ripped a track off, the second one i tried with lighter leads, thought it was fine but shorted 3v3 to 0v
2018-08-27T02:05:53 < zyp> second one should be recoverable
2018-08-27T02:06:14 < catphish> you'd think so, but i glued it down
2018-08-27T02:06:32 < jadew> and the first one wouldn't have happened if you used a lower temperature on the iron
2018-08-27T02:06:34 < zyp> haha
2018-08-27T02:06:36 < bitmask> what do I do now that I have free time
2018-08-27T02:06:44 < catphish> jadew: it wasn't the iron, it was the lead
2018-08-27T02:06:46 < zyp> jadew, not necessarily
2018-08-27T02:06:59 < catphish> i pulled the lead off with the pad attaches
2018-08-27T02:07:02 < catphish> *attached
2018-08-27T02:07:06 < zyp> jadew, delaminated pads might very well be caused by too low temperature
2018-08-27T02:07:07 < jadew> ah
2018-08-27T02:07:15 < catphish> and did the same on the second board trying to remove the glue
2018-08-27T02:07:18 < catphish> never mind :)
2018-08-27T02:07:33 < catphish> lesson learned
2018-08-27T02:09:46 < zyp> jadew, if the solder tip is too cold, you sit there and heat and heat the pad while trying to get the solder to flow properly, and all that heat propagates all around and softens the glue that holds the pad in place
2018-08-27T02:10:06 < jadew> zyp, yeah, had that happen too
2018-08-27T02:10:16 < catphish> i've ordered my first dev boards of my own now (nice roomy ones) https://i.imgur.com/dkMt00t.png and also just finishing up designing revision 2, which is rather more compact and has the timecode receiver on board: https://imgur.com/a/Ahi9PRh
2018-08-27T02:10:16 < zyp> with a hot enough tip, you get the pad up to working temperature quickly, get the joint done and remove the heat again, much less energy transferred overall
2018-08-27T02:10:23 < jadew> but only on high thermal mass pads
2018-08-27T02:10:44 < zyp> if you have decent equipment, it's hard to have this happen
2018-08-27T02:11:04 < zyp> but if you have some shit quality underpowered dumb solder iron, it's common
2018-08-27T02:11:10 < catphish> i'm pretty happy with that rev 2 design, just need to add a battery holder to it
2018-08-27T02:11:45 < catphish> i decided to use the tag-connect and buy some leads, because it's super neat :)
2018-08-27T02:12:07 < zyp> catphish, maybe I should have put the bootloader on the boards before I sent them so you could have just used that :p
2018-08-27T02:12:23 < catphish> can you program over usb?
2018-08-27T02:12:29 < zyp> yes
2018-08-27T02:12:43 < catphish> wel that's pretty useful
2018-08-27T02:13:10 < catphish> never mind, hopefully i'll have my own boards soon, just hope i can get the hang of reflow with hot air
2018-08-27T02:13:13 < zyp> there's one in rom that you can use by setting the boot0 pin high, but I've tied it low on my boards
2018-08-27T02:13:17 < catphish> videos make it look easy with paste
2018-08-27T02:13:25 < zyp> I prefer making my own bootloader instead
2018-08-27T02:13:50 < zyp> but the boards you got didn't have that yet
2018-08-27T02:14:22 < catphish> ah, well never mind, i learned that i suck at attaching wires to boards
2018-08-27T02:14:45 < zyp> you could always just attach to the stm32 directly :)
2018-08-27T02:15:19 < catphish> i considered that, but just too fine for my wires / skill
2018-08-27T02:15:24 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/XJfyF.JPG <- like I had to on the first revision prototypes
2018-08-27T02:15:33 < catphish> oh yeah lol
2018-08-27T02:15:44 < zyp> qfp is easy enough to do that on, qfn is pain
2018-08-27T02:16:02 < zyp> luckily the pins right next to the wakeup pin was NC or something
2018-08-27T02:16:12 < zyp> so that blob on the qfn connects to two or three pins
2018-08-27T02:17:01 < catphish> zyp: i'm happy by the way, i found a TSSOP timecode receiver
2018-08-27T02:17:12 < zyp> :)
2018-08-27T02:17:14 < catphish> so no need for the daughter board mess
2018-08-27T02:17:31 < zyp> how is availability?
2018-08-27T02:17:46 < catphish> not sure yet, basically just one distributer, i've emailed them
2018-08-27T02:17:50 < zyp> haha
2018-08-27T02:17:54 < zyp> which?
2018-08-27T02:18:05 < catphish> it's this one: https://www.mas-oy.com/portfolio/mas6180b/
2018-08-27T02:18:33 < catphish> i re-read the datasheet, "TSSOP-16 Package or Die (1020 μm x 1260 μm)"
2018-08-27T02:18:50 < catphish> these people distribute it http://www.ineltek.com/en/
2018-08-27T02:19:33 < zyp> fun
2018-08-27T02:19:48 < catphish> they state a minimum order of 100 GBP, so hopefully they don't want to do mad quantity to start with
2018-08-27T02:20:06 < catphish> but lead time may be another matter
2018-08-27T02:20:44 < catphish> started on the enclosure too https://i.imgur.com/2BYD0TZ.png
2018-08-27T02:20:49 < zyp> mfg seems to offer samples and devboards
2018-08-27T02:21:04 < catphish> yeah, i did see that
2018-08-27T02:21:11 < Cracki> how'd you do that lip around the edge
2018-08-27T02:21:15 < catphish> but thought i'd see what the dist says first
2018-08-27T02:21:21 < karlp> Thorn: do you sharpen a 2mm pencil like that or what?
2018-08-27T02:21:31 < karlp> just write on the side and wear it down to new points?
2018-08-27T02:22:29 < catphish> Cracki: i'm a noob at openscad (only started with it today) but here's the code https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4jCywgWB6G/
2018-08-27T02:22:37 < tomeaton> the mechanical pencil I have rotates the lead automatically
2018-08-27T02:23:07 < catphish> basically it's just a union of 2 boxes, with 1 third box cut out
2018-08-27T02:23:49 < Cracki> hmhm
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2018-08-27T02:24:17 < Cracki> when you get around to it, try inventor or fusion360. free for students
2018-08-27T02:24:28 < Cracki> I won't recommend freecad, it's awful
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2018-08-27T02:24:43 < Cracki> you know... there's prolly something to convert povray to stl too
2018-08-27T02:24:55 < Cracki> and povray is a lot more sensibly constructed than openscad
2018-08-27T02:25:31 < catphish> i rather like openscad
2018-08-27T02:25:33 < tomeaton> there is also onshape
2018-08-27T02:26:22 < Cracki> http://graphics.cyborg5.com/2016/10/29/converting-pov-ray-shapes-to-triangle-mesh-for-3-d-printing/
2018-08-27T02:26:33 < Cracki> that's a kludge, they sample the object using rays
2018-08-27T02:27:21 < Cracki> parallel sampling has limits. I'd do something adaptive that walks along the surface
2018-08-27T02:27:21 < catphish> tbh openscad is the first thing i tried, and i think it's awesome
2018-08-27T02:27:25 < catphish> just simple enough :)
2018-08-27T02:27:42 < Cracki> how many hours did you take for that object?
2018-08-27T02:27:47 < tomeaton> yeah its perfect for 3d printing
2018-08-27T02:28:01 < Cracki> your jaw will hit the floor when you see how quickly this can be done with commercial software
2018-08-27T02:28:10 < catphish> Cracki: about 2, but that's with never using it before
2018-08-27T02:28:17 < Cracki> fair enough :P
2018-08-27T02:28:29 < catphish> i pasted the code, it's pretty simple
2018-08-27T02:28:47 < tomeaton> But it takes a while to learn said commercial software in my xperience
2018-08-27T02:29:01 < catphish> i've only ever used blender before
2018-08-27T02:29:11 < catphish> and that really sucks for this kinda thing
2018-08-27T02:29:19 < Cracki> it does, but then you're way more productive than slinging code and waiting for openscad to render the geometry
2018-08-27T02:29:33 < Cracki> that's the biggest gripe I have with openscad, it's so goddamn slow
2018-08-27T02:29:38 < catphish> wait? it's instant for me
2018-08-27T02:29:40 < Cracki> blender isn't solid cad
2018-08-27T02:29:53 < catphish> i mean like 100ms for a preview render
2018-08-27T02:29:59 < Cracki> if it's instant, they must have ripped out the whole backend within the last year or so
2018-08-27T02:30:15 < Cracki> iirc the preview was fast enough
2018-08-27T02:30:35 < Cracki> but if you want some truth, you had to wait seconds depending on how fancy you made things
2018-08-27T02:30:40 < tomeaton> blender is not cad at all, even though they used it for 3d printing during my internship :p
2018-08-27T02:30:40 < Cracki> https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/inventor-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2014/ENU/Inventor/files/GUID-B567293E-41B0-4C49-B1AC-2AF3F1B1CEE6-htm.html
2018-08-27T02:30:42 < catphish> yeah, takes 10 seconds for a full render, but that's not needed for working
2018-08-27T02:31:04 < Cracki> and last time I checked, openscad had no support for space mice
2018-08-27T02:31:11 < catphish> i used to use blender for 3d printing (cad work) but wish i hadn't
2018-08-27T02:31:13 < Cracki> once you buy one, you won't want to live without it
2018-08-27T02:31:26 < Cracki> I know people who used blender... they forgot to put triangles on the mesh :P
2018-08-27T02:31:51 < catphish> like this? https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/mugen/images/0/04/Smouse.png/revision/latest?cb=20140429053437
2018-08-27T02:31:58 < Cracki> commercial solid cad is really different from fucking around with source code
2018-08-27T02:32:09 < tomeaton> altium recommends getting one of those mice. seems a bit overkill for just the 3d view
2018-08-27T02:32:20 < Cracki> like dat https://www.3dconnexion.com/fileadmin/templates/images/3dx_category_page_spacemousefamily/smc_thumb.png
2018-08-27T02:32:36 < Cracki> you use it with your secondary hand just for moving around
2018-08-27T02:32:46 < tomeaton> bye
2018-08-27T02:32:49 < Cracki> lel
2018-08-27T02:32:50 < catphish> bye :)
2018-08-27T02:34:02 < catphish> moving the view is actually my biggest problem with blender
2018-08-27T02:34:09 < catphish> it's such a hassle
2018-08-27T02:34:17 < Cracki> effortless with a space mouse
2018-08-27T02:34:29 < Cracki> takes some exercise to get used to its freedom however
2018-08-27T02:34:34 < catphish> still, code based rendering is my new favourite thing
2018-08-27T02:34:51 < Cracki> 3d solid cad uses parameters as well...
2018-08-27T02:35:04 < Cracki> they're just created implicitly as you go, and you can specify them as needed
2018-08-27T02:35:35 < catphish> bear in mind i'm a person who likes to code every line by hand
2018-08-27T02:35:38 < Cracki> you also get to use all kinds of implicit relations such as parallel, tangent to curve, point on line, ...
2018-08-27T02:36:02 < catphish> i'm not into frameworks, macros, and other time savers that generate things without my explicit sayso :)
2018-08-27T02:36:21 < zyp> I bought some spacenavigator last year, barely used it so far
2018-08-27T02:36:33 < Cracki> advanced openscad uses libraries heavily
2018-08-27T02:36:42 < Cracki> you won't get much done without abstraction and modularization
2018-08-27T02:36:52 < catphish> i'm more of a PORTA=0x1 person than a digitalWrite(1, 1) person
2018-08-27T02:37:13 < catphish> always been the way, just how my brain works i guess
2018-08-27T02:38:32 < Cracki> there's a time and place for that, and there's a time and place for higher level work
2018-08-27T02:38:46 < Cracki> you wouldn't weed a garden with tweezers
2018-08-27T02:39:35 < catphish> my wife cuts edges with scissors
2018-08-27T02:39:59 < catphish> (grass)
2018-08-27T02:41:36 < Cracki> neat freak
2018-08-27T02:41:59 < Cracki> there's honor in the fight against entropy, but don't take it too far
2018-08-27T02:42:33 < catphish> my garden is huge though, it's probably not worth it
2018-08-27T02:43:05 < catphish> right, to design a battery holder, i like the look of https://www.mouser.co.uk/datasheet/2/215/4-745936.pdf
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2018-08-27T02:45:06 < Cracki> you can get step files for most mechanical parts from the manufacturers
2018-08-27T02:45:08 < Cracki> if you ask nicely
2018-08-27T02:45:34 < Cracki> STEP is a level above STL. it actually contains geometry.
2018-08-27T02:46:19 < catphish> they do provide step
2018-08-27T02:46:24 < catphish> is it any good to kicad though
2018-08-27T02:46:34 < englishman> is kicad any good to anyone
2018-08-27T02:47:04 < catphish> works for me
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2018-08-27T02:55:17 < Cracki> STEP data for components is what most ecad programs use for their 3d views
2018-08-27T03:01:42 < catphish> well that's sensible, i think there's a converter for kicad, but i don't care enough to try it out
2018-08-27T03:14:22 < catphish> oh, kicad uses STEP natively
2018-08-27T03:14:25 < catphish> awesome
2018-08-27T03:21:25 < tomeaton> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI24Yn9BOWk bread is the shooter
2018-08-27T03:23:14 < catphish> now can has battery https://i.imgur.com/0CGqQHE.png
2018-08-27T03:30:19 < tpw_rules> is that like CR123 battery?
2018-08-27T03:33:40 < catphish> correct
2018-08-27T03:33:53 < tpw_rules> aren't those 12V?
2018-08-27T03:33:57 < tpw_rules> i don't like them
2018-08-27T03:33:59 < catphish> nope, 3.0
2018-08-27T03:34:08 < catphish> lithium metal single cell
2018-08-27T03:34:35 < catphish> https://industrial.panasonic.com/ww/products/batteries/primary-batteries/lithium-batteries/cylindrical-type-lithium-batteries-cr-series/CR123A
2018-08-27T03:35:25 < catphish> nicer data: http://data.energizer.com/pdfs/123.pdf
2018-08-27T03:35:41 < tpw_rules> yeah i've used em before
2018-08-27T03:35:49 < tpw_rules> i repeat that i don't like them
2018-08-27T03:36:01 < catphish> why's that?
2018-08-27T03:36:52 < tpw_rules> they're big and kind of obnoxious to get and kinda sucky esr
2018-08-27T03:37:35 < tpw_rules> i would just use two AAs
2018-08-27T03:38:08 < catphish> they have some advantages, very low self discharge, stable voltage
2018-08-27T03:38:28 < catphish> and one can buy them off the shelf in shops here
2018-08-27T03:38:47 < catphish> i have only one concern: i need 2.7v min
2018-08-27T03:38:59 < catphish> so i don't know how soon they'll drop below that
2018-08-27T03:39:15 < tpw_rules> assuming you're not using any serious current, that's like 99% discharged
2018-08-27T03:39:27 < catphish> should be fine then
2018-08-27T03:39:36 < catphish> i'm using microamps
2018-08-27T03:40:05 < tpw_rules> oh yeah
2018-08-27T03:40:31 < catphish> and esr shouldn't be a problem, they can deliver 3.5A
2018-08-27T03:40:53 < tpw_rules> http://www.houseofbatteries.com/images/clpb1.jpg
2018-08-27T03:41:03 < catphish> the main reason to choose them was the self discharge, i want this thing to run a couple of years
2018-08-27T03:41:11 < tpw_rules> oh ok
2018-08-27T03:45:40 < catphish> the datasheet for this rfid reader says it uses 50uA in its tag detection state, that will likely be my main power cost
2018-08-27T03:46:22 < catphish> so 1AH per 833 days
2018-08-27T03:47:33 < catphish> i suspect it won't be nearly that efficient once i consider all the other little ways it needs to use power
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2018-08-27T09:18:14 < qyx> catphish: what about lisocl2 in a AA package
2018-08-27T09:18:16 < qyx> even more common
2018-08-27T09:19:50 < qyx> such as LS14500 or similar
2018-08-27T09:20:09 < qyx> they have more flat discharge curve and much above the 2.7V threshold
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2018-08-27T10:41:00 < Steffanx> No.
2018-08-27T10:42:31 < tomeaton> hello
2018-08-27T10:48:09 < Steffanx> Welcome.
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2018-08-27T11:07:08 < tomeaton> All of the eee courses at unis teach PIC not STM32. why is this
2018-08-27T11:09:12 < Thorn> if professors had relevant skills they'd be working in the industry
2018-08-27T11:09:37 < BrainDamage> inertia, pics were the thing 15 years ago
2018-08-27T11:10:44 < zyp> my uni did AVR, but that was close to ten years ago now
2018-08-27T11:11:02 < zyp> I suspect they do ARM now
2018-08-27T11:12:07 < tomeaton> my course is doing pic
2018-08-27T11:12:09 < zyp> one of my pals is a prof there, I know he's at least been mentoring projects using stm32
2018-08-27T11:15:31 < tomeaton> oh ok, hopefully I get to do some stm32 stuff
2018-08-27T11:22:08 < markus-k> we've been working with stm32 from the first semester on, that was really nice
2018-08-27T11:22:38 < markus-k> they never really got deep into peripherals and such though..
2018-08-27T11:27:22 < emeryth> but what if stm64 comes out?
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2018-08-27T12:01:13 < kakimir> stm64 when?
2018-08-27T12:15:16 < day> avr32 ftw.
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2018-08-27T12:28:22 < Steffanx> Lol
2018-08-27T12:28:26 < Steffanx> Die day. Dieee.
2018-08-27T12:36:47 < day> kek
2018-08-27T12:37:41 < day> although i wonder how ARM is going to die. now that the japanese own it is inevitable
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2018-08-27T12:45:55 < kakimir> japs own arm?
2018-08-27T12:46:22 < kakimir> national pride of England sold?
2018-08-27T12:47:38 < Steffanx> Softbank you kniw
2018-08-27T12:47:40 < Steffanx> Know
2018-08-27T12:49:52 < Steffanx> 74
2018-08-27T12:55:28 < day> looks like Softbank is already hacking the business to pieces lol. 51% of ARM China are being sold to a chinese investor
2018-08-27T12:56:32 < karlp> qyx: interesting batteries, didn't know about them
2018-08-27T12:57:00 < kakimir> lol @ future of ARM
2018-08-27T12:57:09 < kakimir> let's code 8051
2018-08-27T12:58:07 < day> <hypno toad> abandon ship naow. use avr32 for new projects. </hypno toad>
2018-08-27T12:58:35 < karlp> tomeaton: my uni initial course work was in hc11, we later did x86, then "your choice" and people used pic/avr/hc11 in 2nd/3rd year projects, 
2018-08-27T12:58:41 < karlp> theses were in alllll sorts of archs
2018-08-27T12:59:34 < kakimir> does this affect current lines of ARM mcus?
2018-08-27T13:00:04 < qyx> I started with hc11 too
2018-08-27T13:00:18 < qyx> 80386 on the uni
2018-08-27T13:00:33 < qyx> and then most of us did avr
2018-08-27T13:00:49 < qyx> or 8051
2018-08-27T13:01:34 < kakimir> 8051 seems to be still relevant
2018-08-27T13:16:32 < kakimir> what diode manuf. has that clover leaf symbol?
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2018-08-27T13:30:27 < catphish> qyx: actually that might be a good choice, as long as the stm32 can tolerate the fully charged voltage
2018-08-27T13:31:12 < catphish> qyx: the only downside would be that AA is much longer than the width of my current layout so i'll have to rethink the layout
2018-08-27T13:32:29 < catphish> qyx: those LS14500 have very impressive energy density, twice the capacity of the CR123A
2018-08-27T13:36:50 < qyx> there is also a halv-length version available  LS14250
2018-08-27T13:36:54 < qyx> *half
2018-08-27T13:37:24 < qyx> you can use a low Iq LDO in front of your mcu
2018-08-27T13:39:33 < catphish> if necessary, yeah
2018-08-27T13:40:48 < catphish> qyx: those LS14250 are nice
2018-08-27T13:41:13 < qyx> those batteries are quite common for energy metering and stuff like that
2018-08-27T13:41:22 < catphish> and yeah, i could put a LDO on the STM32 and let my other devices run on the slightly higher 3.6V
2018-08-27T13:41:55 < qyx> I would run the whole thing through it
2018-08-27T13:43:24 < catphish> depends a lot on the IO volltage tolerances, and whether any of the components would benefit from the extra voltage, i'd check into the details
2018-08-27T13:44:33 < catphish> i'd rather avoid the ldo entirely if possible anyway
2018-08-27T13:46:06 < catphish> i like that LS14500 in particular, it may well be worth changing my layout to accommodate it, if the stm32 will tolerate the 3.76v then it's ideal
2018-08-27T13:46:17 < catphish> *3.67v
2018-08-27T13:48:37 < catphish> has an amazing voltage curve
2018-08-27T13:51:49 < qyx> place a schottky in series
2018-08-27T13:51:51 < qyx> </troll>
2018-08-27T13:53:32 < catphish> actually, can i do that? i'd get free polarity protection, and drop the voltage from 3.67v to below 3.6
2018-08-27T13:54:38 < jpa-> yes, but if you draw very little current, the leakage current in the schottky will raise the voltage
2018-08-27T13:55:01 < catphish> jpa-: that was my worry when i looked at doing this before
2018-08-27T13:55:42 < catphish> is there a diode that has its full voltage drop at zero current?
2018-08-27T13:56:12 < catphish> (for some value of zero that obviously isn't actually zero)
2018-08-27T13:57:41 < catphish> well if i'm using that higher voltage, i might as well use a schottky, if only for the polarity protection
2018-08-27T13:58:40 < catphish> i think it'll be ok
2018-08-27T14:01:28 < catphish> hmm, reverse leakage current 200uA, that would make it totally useless, that's more than my active current
2018-08-27T14:02:22 < catphish> thanks :) i'll have a play
2018-08-27T14:03:49 < catphish> oh, another one advertises 100nA reverse current
2018-08-27T14:05:17 < catphish> this'll probably work :)
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2018-08-27T14:14:37 < karlp> I don't think anyone did any 8051 at my uni.
2018-08-27T14:14:58 < karlp> not in my year at least
2018-08-27T14:15:23 < jpa-> we had one course with 8051
2018-08-27T14:20:34 < tomeaton> karlp, I am having a look at the course now, and in my first year its just says microcontroller programming in C
2018-08-27T14:21:41 < tomeaton> a bit of ciruit design and then just maths
2018-08-27T14:28:15 < Steffanx> Not even assembly
2018-08-27T14:30:34 < tomeaton> Steffanx, that might come under Microcontroller engineering I
2018-08-27T14:31:04 < srk> more like vintage microcontroller programming
2018-08-27T14:31:15 < day> electronics is such a vast topic, imho private study is mandatory. the assembly part is easily picked up in private
2018-08-27T14:32:32 < day> python IV > assembler I  
2018-08-27T14:32:49  * day hides
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2018-08-27T14:57:46 < karlp> tomeaton: it doesn't _really_ matter what the arch is, you're learning concepts.
2018-08-27T14:58:10 < karlp> if anything, learning older ones will give you a better appreciation for why some things are done in certain ways, and what's changed in newer ones.
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2018-08-27T15:10:32 < kakimir> is there any signs of end of capacitor shortage?
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2018-08-27T15:11:22 < kakimir> buildin a robot army takes a lot of components
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2018-08-27T15:15:00 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-27T15:15:20 < kakimir> have you noticed shortages in other components than caps and resistors?
2018-08-27T15:18:11 < kakimir> Haohmaru: a lot of red leds are needed for those robot eyes glowing in dark to intimidate the enemy
2018-08-27T15:19:16 < Thorn> I've read that allocation has extended to pretty much everything including ICs
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2018-08-27T16:04:56 < day> kakimir: seen the article about the chinese bird surveillance drones?
2018-08-27T16:05:02 < day> bird shaped*
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2018-08-27T16:12:07 < kakimir> interesting
2018-08-27T16:12:35 < kakimir> I thought birds were already biological survelance technology
2018-08-27T16:13:12 < kakimir> like some crows sitting on my window looking in
2018-08-27T16:15:04 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-27T16:15:22 < kakimir> stabilization technology + soaring technology
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2018-08-27T16:40:10 < zyp> got a look at my new house today, looks like an ikea kit
2018-08-27T16:40:29 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/jQbm6.jpg https://bin.jvnv.net/file/3Gb0j.jpg https://bin.jvnv.net/file/NpHeV.jpg https://bin.jvnv.net/file/OQ8ku.jpg
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2018-08-27T16:56:19 < englishman> nothing wrong with prefabs
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2018-08-27T16:58:28 < zyp> not saying it's bad, I'm a big fan of ikea too :p
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2018-08-27T17:03:44 < Sadale> wow. Have fun living there :3
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2018-08-27T17:05:02 < catphish> nice house, some assembly required
2018-08-27T17:08:57 < srk> coool
2018-08-27T17:09:46 < Sadale> assembly langauge needed :3
2018-08-27T17:09:59 < Sadale> That's what assembly langauge's for :P
2018-08-27T17:10:54 < catphish> my house came ready assembled
2018-08-27T17:22:35 < zyp> they've scheduled a truck to move it over to the lot on thursday, so they'll start assembling then
2018-08-27T17:23:09 < zyp> it was supposed to happen today or tomorrow, but the weather haven't been cooperating so they have some concrete work left to do first
2018-08-27T17:27:22 < catphish> exciting
2018-08-27T17:27:29 < catphish> i'd love to build my own house
2018-08-27T17:27:35 < catphish> but it's not terribly easy :)
2018-08-27T17:28:41 < zyp> I'd love to do more myself too
2018-08-27T17:29:37 < zyp> this one was offered either complete for 3M NOK or as an empty shell for 2M NOK, leaving me to do the inside myself
2018-08-27T17:30:13 < zyp> the latter would have been fun, but inconvenient to finance
2018-08-27T17:31:28 < catphish> that's not *too* expensive, assuming it's a decent sized house, the problem here is the land :(
2018-08-27T17:31:40 < zyp> you don't get normal house loans on unfinished houses, and any sort of construction financing has so high interest rates that there would be no financial benefit in finishing stuff myself
2018-08-27T17:32:03 < catphish> every inch of land with permission to build here instantly gets filled with tightly packed properties because it's profitable
2018-08-27T17:32:31 < zyp> the prices I cited was with cost of land included
2018-08-27T17:32:42 < catphish> zyp: that's decent then
2018-08-27T17:33:09 < zyp> 600k of the price is the land
2018-08-27T17:33:58 < catphish> i guess some parts of this country you could probably buy the land for that much
2018-08-27T17:34:00 < catphish> not here though (
2018-08-27T17:34:01 < catphish> :(
2018-08-27T17:34:12 < zyp> it's not a big lot though
2018-08-27T17:34:42 < catphish> i've been eyeing up moving to canada, because there's a ton of land there )
2018-08-27T17:34:46 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/FwvYk.jpg
2018-08-27T17:34:55 < catphish> can get a decent plot for an affordable price
2018-08-27T17:35:14 < day> duke catphish 
2018-08-27T17:35:18 < catphish> how much land included?
2018-08-27T17:35:27 < catphish> or just that square?
2018-08-27T17:35:39 < zyp> just a couple of meters on each side
2018-08-27T17:35:55 < zyp> 6m in the back and 3-4m on the side IIRC
2018-08-27T17:36:31 < catphish> i'm lucky, i actually have a decent size garden with my house, it's increasingly rare in the UK
2018-08-27T17:37:16 < zyp> I opted to drop grass, I considered it and decided I'd rather not deal with maintaining a lawn
2018-08-27T17:37:24 < day> same in germany. if i compare the house/land my parents have to what people buy today :X
2018-08-27T17:37:46 < catphish> i bought a 150 year old house, because it actually has land
2018-08-27T17:38:07 < day> colleague did that too, then teared down the old house to put a new one on the land ^^
2018-08-27T17:39:33 < catphish> lol, doubt i'd be allowed to do that
2018-08-27T17:39:42 < catphish> i like the house anyway https://i.imgur.com/Se4KiFy.jpg
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2018-08-27T17:39:58 < zyp> nice
2018-08-27T17:40:00 < day> well it was a piece of shit apparently nothing the city wanted to preserve
2018-08-27T17:40:14 < catphish> this is the land, not crazy huge, but nice https://i.imgur.com/SVGMRS6.jpg
2018-08-27T17:40:41 < catphish> everything is preserved here really, very very rare houses get demolished
2018-08-27T17:41:56 < catphish> i do wish i had a new house sometimes though, one that leaked less :)
2018-08-27T17:42:16 < catphish> i've mostly fixed it up
2018-08-27T17:42:34 < day> catphish: is there a 2nd house connected to yours?
2018-08-27T17:42:58 < catphish> day: yes, what's in that photo is my part (about 2/3 of the total)
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2018-08-27T17:43:05 < englishman> 400kusd for a house?
2018-08-27T17:43:07 < day> yeah thats what i mean
2018-08-27T17:43:29 < day> thats rather "in" here atm for new buildings. not a fan of it
2018-08-27T17:43:33 < zyp> englishman, how does that compare?
2018-08-27T17:43:52 < catphish> that's pretty normal price for a house here i'd say
2018-08-27T17:43:55 < englishman> that would get a mansion + acreage plot + many acres of working farmland
2018-08-27T17:44:05 < catphish> englishman: where?
2018-08-27T17:44:23 < englishman> it's not for english people you can't have it
2018-08-27T17:44:28 < zyp> englishman, well, yeah, I could get something a lot bigger in norway too if I wanted to live even more in the middle of nowhere
2018-08-27T17:44:28 < catphish> lol
2018-08-27T17:44:44 < englishman> idk my commute is 15min
2018-08-27T17:44:52 < zyp> or I could get a small central apartment
2018-08-27T17:45:01 < catphish> this is why i'm considering moving to canada, way more land for the money
2018-08-27T17:45:03 < englishman> it sounds expensive, for a prefab
2018-08-27T17:45:10 < englishman> but, norway
2018-08-27T17:45:35 < zyp> from my understanding of the market, it's fairly in the middle
2018-08-27T17:45:50 < zyp> I'm not in a big city, and a few minutes out of the central area
2018-08-27T17:45:54 < catphish> that seems about what you'd pay here for similar, but here it would be made of bricks
2018-08-27T17:45:56 < BrainDamage> When ultrasauce told me you can buy one of those wooden houses for 75k I was shocked, that wouldn't give you even a small apartment here
2018-08-27T17:46:26 < englishman> https://duproprio.com/en/chaudiere-appalaches/st-anselme/bungalow-for-sale/hab-26-rue-du-domaine-816934#description
2018-08-27T17:46:27 < catphish> ugh, still torn on what batteries to use
2018-08-27T17:46:27 < BrainDamage> or if it would, it'd need renovating
2018-08-27T17:46:51 < englishman> 400k cad = 308k usd = 2.6Mnok
2018-08-27T17:46:55 < catphish> dunno if i want 3.0v batteries (off the shelf) or 3.6v (seemingly only made by saft)
2018-08-27T17:47:10 < catphish> you left out my british pounds
2018-08-27T17:47:17 < englishman> irrelevant
2018-08-27T17:47:23 < BrainDamage> nobody cares about england
2018-08-27T17:47:46 < englishman> that is kind of far tho
2018-08-27T17:48:17 < BrainDamage> brexit isn't even a political move, it's a marketing one to make britain relevant again on international talks
2018-08-27T17:48:34 < catphish> wanna buy something like this for retiring: https://www.realtor.ca/Residential/Single-Family/19712358/369-PARIS-Road-Brant-Ontario-N3T5L8
2018-08-27T17:49:08 < englishman> 700k for that
2018-08-27T17:49:09 < englishman> holy shit
2018-08-27T17:49:11 < englishman> in ditchener
2018-08-27T17:49:43 < catphish> lol, depends what you like i guess
2018-08-27T17:49:54 < englishman> well the chinese have invaded most of english canada
2018-08-27T17:49:56 < englishman> prices are super high
2018-08-27T17:50:02 < zyp> https://www.finn.no/realestate/homes/ad.html?finnkode=117762310 <- here's a 3.6M NOK apartment, fairly central, walking distance to my office
2018-08-27T17:50:05 < catphish> i want the land mostly, but my wife likes old houses
2018-08-27T17:50:13 < englishman> 15 years ago that house would have been 140k
2018-08-27T17:50:22 < zyp> costs more than my house, at about half the size
2018-08-27T17:50:32 < englishman> and it would have sat on the market
2018-08-27T17:51:01 < englishman> nice filing cabinet zyp
2018-08-27T17:51:18 < catphish> northern europe maybe, denmark, norway
2018-08-27T17:51:41 < zyp> englishman, ha
2018-08-27T17:51:51 < englishman> idk, i refuse to enter into a mortgage
2018-08-27T17:52:09 < englishman> i am far too jewish to play that game
2018-08-27T17:52:18 < catphish> best avoided if you can
2018-08-27T17:52:25 < catphish> there's essentially no choice for most people in the UK
2018-08-27T17:52:39 < zyp> mortgage is just a standard house loan, right?
2018-08-27T17:52:43 < englishman> yes
2018-08-27T17:52:51 < catphish> the smallest appartment where i live costs about 10x the average salary after tax
2018-08-27T17:52:57 < englishman> on 400k 30 year even at an impossible 4% that is almost 300k in interest
2018-08-27T17:52:59 < catphish> zyp: yeah loan secured on the house
2018-08-27T17:53:18 < zyp> what do you mean by impossible 4%?
2018-08-27T17:53:35 < catphish> 3% is about the rate here right now
2018-08-27T17:53:46 < englishman> it will not be that low forever
2018-08-27T17:53:51 < zyp> I've been offered 1.95%
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2018-08-27T17:54:25 < englishman> what are the chances it will be 1.95% in 5 years
2018-08-27T17:54:30 < catphish> it won't be going up fast here, because so many people are overcommitted, the low rate has caused property prices to skyrocket and people to overcommit
2018-08-27T17:54:46 < catphish> the government can't raise it very much or we'd all be homeless
2018-08-27T17:54:59 < englishman> it's happened many times before
2018-08-27T17:54:59 < catphish> englishman: well it's been that low for 5 years already
2018-08-27T17:55:12 < catphish> obviously it'll gradually go up eventually
2018-08-27T17:55:23 < englishman> or sharply. like it did here in 1991
2018-08-27T17:55:38 < catphish> well that'd be unpleasant, lets hope not
2018-08-27T17:55:47 < zyp> I figure that if the interest rates increase, so will the inflation rate
2018-08-27T17:55:51 < englishman> then all those with cash bought those 700k houses for 80k
2018-08-27T17:56:15 < englishman> tons of people walked away from their mortgages
2018-08-27T17:56:30 < zyp> on the other hand
2018-08-27T17:57:02 < zyp> banks here are required by law to ensure people can handle a 5pp rise in interest rate before approving the loan
2018-08-27T17:57:21 < catphish> they couldn't do that here, nobody would have a house :(
2018-08-27T17:58:09 < zyp> I ran the numbers on how it would be with an 8% rate
2018-08-27T17:58:33 < zyp> according to the models and shit banks use, I'd be good
2018-08-27T17:58:59 < zyp> anyway, gtg
2018-08-27T17:59:47 < Steffanx> Damn, i like your house. Just based on this single photo catphish 
2018-08-27T18:01:28 < Steffanx> I would get rid of all stuff growing onto the house though
2018-08-27T18:02:44 < qyx> catphish: they are not made by saft only
2018-08-27T18:02:50 < qyx> xeno does them too for example
2018-08-27T18:02:58 < qyx> or china
2018-08-27T18:04:36 < qyx> eg. eve, tadiran
2018-08-27T18:04:45 < qyx> see this for example https://www.tme.eu/sk/katalog/baterie_100346/#id_category=100346&s_field=artykul&s_order=DESC&visible_params=18%2C2%2C496%2C494%2C497%2C317%2C117%2C424%2C234%2C77%2C32%2C536%2C511&used_params=18%3A26206%3B494%3A2191%3B
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2018-08-27T18:09:01 < catphish> qyx: interesting, definitely considering swtching, but not sure
2018-08-27T18:11:29 < catphish> qyx: the leaded ones are cool
2018-08-27T18:12:01 < catphish> Steffanx: the plants are wisteria, it looks nice in spring! needs trimming though
2018-08-27T18:13:07 < catphish> Steffanx: have a proper tour :) https://imgur.com/a/KKhZwbR
2018-08-27T18:13:29 < englishman> quite english
2018-08-27T18:13:51 < englishman> nice pond, we will likely dig one next year
2018-08-27T18:15:30 < catphish> the fish were there when i bought it, they're cool :)
2018-08-27T18:16:31 < englishman> what is maintenance like
2018-08-27T18:16:43 < catphish> expensive, annoying
2018-08-27T18:16:54 < englishman> from chatting with other pond owners it seems much easier than a tropical indoor aquarium
2018-08-27T18:16:56 < englishman> really
2018-08-27T18:17:02 < catphish> oh, the pond, nah, that's fine
2018-08-27T18:17:09 < englishman> oh
2018-08-27T18:17:13 < englishman> yeah not the house
2018-08-27T18:17:25 < catphish> the only money i've spent was replacing the pump that failed last month
2018-08-27T18:17:34 < englishman> cool
2018-08-27T18:17:38 < englishman> do you not feed them
2018-08-27T18:17:43 < catphish> but it'd been running for 5+ years
2018-08-27T18:17:56 < catphish> yeah, you feed them sometimes, if you can be bothered, they don't really mind
2018-08-27T18:18:09 < catphish> i try to do it once a day
2018-08-27T18:18:12 < englishman> they look well shaded, and so cool
2018-08-27T18:18:20 < catphish> and only feed them in summer
2018-08-27T18:18:33 < catphish> they kinda hibernate in winter
2018-08-27T18:18:44 < englishman> yes i've heard
2018-08-27T18:18:52 < catphish> everything is shaded, needs lots of cutting soon
2018-08-27T18:19:10 < englishman> here it would ice over and 6+ft of snow will pile on top, they had better hibernate
2018-08-27T18:19:20 < catphish> lol
2018-08-27T18:19:32 < catphish> i wanna go somewhere with snow in winter
2018-08-27T18:19:39 < catphish> the other reason i'm looking at moving to ontario
2018-08-27T18:24:23 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/exJIXJU.jpg
2018-08-27T18:24:33 < englishman> march
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2018-08-27T18:34:13 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/vYlgZYM.jpg
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2018-08-27T19:06:58 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/jue8i6fqp/
2018-08-27T19:07:34 < Laurenceb__> holy pic res batman
2018-08-27T19:07:42 < Laurenceb__> firefox status: segfault
2018-08-27T19:08:14 < Laurenceb__> englishman with the troll image resolution
2018-08-27T19:08:18 < englishman> ?
2018-08-27T19:08:38 < Laurenceb__> ur image killed firefox
2018-08-27T19:08:49 < englishman> who cares about firecocks
2018-08-27T19:08:55 < Laurenceb__> 11k pixel resolution O_o
2018-08-27T19:09:18 < englishman> sounds like you need to download more ram
2018-08-27T19:09:20 < Laurenceb__> I'll save it to troll failfox users with in future
2018-08-27T19:09:34 < englishman> its a picture from a $200 cellphone
2018-08-27T19:09:45 < englishman> and you say it crashes firecocks
2018-08-27T19:09:49 < Laurenceb__> I doubt it has that many pixels
2018-08-27T19:09:51 < englishman> what does that say about your choice of browser
2018-08-27T19:10:00 < Laurenceb__> 100Mpixel surely not
2018-08-27T19:10:15 < englishman> https://www.worksonmymachine.pro
2018-08-27T19:10:19 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-08-27T19:10:33 < Steffanx> Firefox isnt to blame. Its lunixs memory management
2018-08-27T19:10:57 < Steffanx> Or perhaps the GPU 
2018-08-27T19:11:35 < englishman> why would anyone use lunix with a gui
2018-08-27T19:11:39 < Laurenceb__> kek
2018-08-27T19:13:03 < Steffanx> Downstairs deserves a bit of a modernization cat catphish 
2018-08-27T19:13:07 < Steffanx> -cat
2018-08-27T19:13:28 < Laurenceb__> Steffanx is Jordan Peterson confirmed
2018-08-27T19:14:11 < Steffanx> That would make me your hero, unlikely Laurenceb__ 
2018-08-27T19:14:31 < Laurenceb__> >implying I liek Jordung Peterstone
2018-08-27T19:14:45 < Steffanx> I know you do.
2018-08-27T19:14:55 < Laurenceb__> wash ur penis
2018-08-27T19:15:19 < Steffanx> What changed? Im pretty sure you liked him in the past
2018-08-27T19:15:40 < Steffanx> All hail to Alex Jones now?
2018-08-27T19:15:48 < Laurenceb__> https://pics.astrologymemes.com/wash-your-penis-the-actw-lork-cimes-bestseller-jordan-b-32052636.png
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2018-08-27T19:16:24 < Laurenceb__> >modernize ur downstairs
2018-08-27T19:16:30 < englishman> that coat is far too large
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2018-08-27T19:17:06 < Steffanx> Who cares? The only thing matters is if its comfortable
2018-08-27T19:17:45 < catphish> Steffanx: hallway and office haven't been done yet :)
2018-08-27T19:18:00 < catphish> upstairs has all been done
2018-08-27T19:18:23 < catphish> but, it's not supposed to be modern :)
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2018-08-27T19:20:17 < Steffanx> No, but old and brown/grey is too old :P
2018-08-27T19:20:29 < Steffanx> Upstairs is much better
2018-08-27T19:20:32 < Laurenceb__> this is now a muh gardening channel
2018-08-27T19:20:51 < Steffanx> Did i spot a vaper btw catphish ? :d
2018-08-27T19:20:54 < Laurenceb__> in b4 cat lady channel
2018-08-27T19:20:58 < catphish> Steffanx: lol ya
2018-08-27T19:21:00 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/fzy9vvjmp/
2018-08-27T19:21:17 < catphish> nice wall
2018-08-27T19:22:00 < Laurenceb__> babbies first stone wall
2018-08-27T19:27:40 < Thorn> will e.g. stm32 flash survive a reflow cycle without losing data?
2018-08-27T19:30:17 < catphish> qyx: looks like saft do a "17330" size as well
2018-08-27T19:30:43 < catphish> qyx: ie the form factor i was going to use, but 3.6v
2018-08-27T19:31:56 < Laurenceb__> Thorn: easily
2018-08-27T19:32:08 < catphish> so maybe i can support both
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2018-08-27T19:46:15 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/67r0c3lsh/
2018-08-27T19:46:22 < Laurenceb__> >Alex Jones is Bill Hicks
2018-08-27T19:50:32 < Laurenceb__> >The soy is becoming sentient
2018-08-27T20:14:14 < catphish> so, does anyone know what happens if you reverse the input polarity of an stm32
2018-08-27T20:14:30 < catphish> ie put -3v across the power input pins
2018-08-27T20:15:31 < catphish> putting aside the obvious fact this is a bad idea, i'd like to know specifically how much current would be needed to damage it in this scenario
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2018-08-27T20:20:04 < catphish> oh, never mind, i can avoid this anyway
2018-08-27T20:20:05 < markus-k> wouldnt that be the 5mA I_inj maximum injected current? it doesn't clearly say whether thats just for IO or also VDD/VSS
2018-08-27T20:20:53 < catphish> i can prevent reverse polarity by using 2 diodes, one in series with the battery and a second one in reverse parallel with the MCU
2018-08-27T20:21:33 < catphish> that should clamp the reverse polarity voltage to within the allowed -0.3v
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2018-08-27T20:24:13 < catphish> like so, http://tinyurl.com/y8pd7y5g - i'm learning :)
2018-08-27T20:25:45 < Ultrasauce> you might not want a series diode for battery powered stuff, it's kinda wasteful
2018-08-27T20:25:59 < Ultrasauce> replace it with a polyfuse maybe
2018-08-27T20:27:03 < catphish> i actually want the (tiny) voltage drop
2018-08-27T20:27:03 < markus-k> or a pmos maybe
2018-08-27T20:27:12 < catphish> and i'm pretty sure it'll be tiny
2018-08-27T20:28:31 < catphish> i'm having trouble getting my head around these tiny currents i'm dealing with, the battery supplies 3.6v (3.67 at full charge open circuit), the stm32 i'm using is designed for a maximum of 3.6
2018-08-27T20:29:53 < catphish> so shaving off 100mv should be fine
2018-08-27T20:30:38 < catphish> polyfuse would work too i guess :)
2018-08-27T20:35:16 < bitmask> it has arrived! https://i.imgur.com/vpKI1of.jpg
2018-08-27T20:36:09 < catphish> what is it?
2018-08-27T20:36:29 < bitmask> trianglelab order, spare parts for the titan aero
2018-08-27T20:36:36 < bitmask> took about 40 days
2018-08-27T20:37:22 < bitmask> 3d printer spare parts*
2018-08-27T20:37:23 < catphish> ah i see a selection of nozzles, cool
2018-08-27T20:37:49 < catphish> i just have a stock makerbot, it gets the job done
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2018-08-27T21:59:52 < PaulFertser> jadew in his suit spotted: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5xy9z9imgaqeas2/IMG_20180827_190358.jpg?dl=1
2018-08-27T22:01:58 < Ultrasauce> the scarf is very fetching
2018-08-27T22:04:01 < Steffanx> Why dl=1 mr PaulFertser ?
2018-08-27T22:04:09 < Steffanx> dont want it on my hdd 
2018-08-27T22:04:12 < Steffanx> *ssd
2018-08-27T22:06:16 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: hm, that's a direct link to mime type image/jpeg, you should be able to watch it however you like, I just do not like JS crap and other shit that dropbox puts on its html pages, and it seems kinda strange to link to text/html when I actually want to show a pic. And you do HTTP GET for it anyway, so you are downloading it no matter what.
2018-08-27T22:06:31 < Steffanx> https://imgur.com/a/Mt8nqrT i spotted you PaulFertser  :P
2018-08-27T22:06:32 < zyp> catphish, cute house, I see you got the weird english taps on the sink :p
2018-08-27T22:06:36 < zyp> (separate hot/cold)
2018-08-27T22:06:51 < catphish> zyp: of course :)
2018-08-27T22:06:59 < catphish> it's still a thing here
2018-08-27T22:08:46 < Steffanx> https://i.imgur.com/ayDzp6j.jpg sorry PaulFertser . you wanted it like that :P
2018-08-27T22:09:11 < Steffanx> ( at least that doesnt force me to download it )
2018-08-27T22:09:20 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: lol, nice one
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2018-08-27T22:10:49 < PaulFertser> Sorry for dropbox, not my choice actually.
2018-08-27T22:14:26 < Steffanx> We do now know catphish married in a nice suite :P
2018-08-27T22:15:01 < englishman> https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2018-1000657
2018-08-27T22:15:20 < Steffanx> How does that work, when you have such dual taps? You fill the sink when you need water that is not too cold or not to hot?
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2018-08-27T22:16:29 < catphish> Steffanx: lol
2018-08-27T22:16:29 < Steffanx> Do you imply people use Rust englishman ?
2018-08-27T22:17:51 < Laurenceb__> Lobsters dont feel pain
2018-08-27T22:18:14 < Laurenceb__> in the Peterson world, you too will be an unfeeling monster
2018-08-27T22:18:32 < karlp> so, that's a vuln in old code, that's already fixed?
2018-08-27T22:18:35 < karlp> nice one.
2018-08-27T22:21:21 < englishman> The price for an exploit might be around USD $0-$5k at the moment
2018-08-27T22:21:39 < karlp> what?
2018-08-27T22:21:45 < englishman> copy paste
2018-08-27T22:24:53 < qyx> Steffanx: no, you just open the cold one a bit and then turn the hot one left/right PID style until the water temp is ok
2018-08-27T22:25:16 < qyx> wait
2018-08-27T22:25:19 < Steffanx> Yes, but two thaps that far appart how does that work?
2018-08-27T22:25:23 < Steffanx> -h
2018-08-27T22:25:45 < qyx> I realized it just now
2018-08-27T22:25:54 < qyx> they don't end in a single pipe
2018-08-27T22:25:57 < Steffanx> Help us out catphish  :D
2018-08-27T22:27:02 < catphish> Steffanx: you fill some hot first, then add cold until it's the right temperature, or turn them both on and adjust PID style :)
2018-08-27T22:27:43 < Steffanx> but you fill.. just to was your hands ( or something ) ?
2018-08-27T22:27:54 < PaulFertser> My question exactly
2018-08-27T22:28:16 < karlp> don't question things.
2018-08-27T22:28:20 < karlp> this is just the way it _is_
2018-08-27T22:29:19 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: do you also know about the fancy circular UK mains?
2018-08-27T22:29:43 < Steffanx> Doesnt sound familiar, no.
2018-08-27T22:30:05  * karlp laughs
2018-08-27T22:30:07 < karlp> more fun for all.
2018-08-27T22:31:45 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gIL9KDNgtpg/UoL787jy6hI/AAAAAAAAFXQ/IyCsOaMJydA/s1600/another+bottle+tap+mixer.jpg
2018-08-27T22:31:58 < Steffanx> :)
2018-08-27T22:32:04 < BrainDamage> there's actually a reason for the separate taps
2018-08-27T22:32:05 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: in every room the connect all the sockets serially, and close the circle. 
2018-08-27T22:32:34 < BrainDamage> the reason is that they have a gravity fed hot water tank which is a bacteria breeding den
2018-08-27T22:33:08 < BrainDamage> and by law they wanted no chance for the circuits to intermix
2018-08-27T22:33:15 < BrainDamage> so no backflush, etc
2018-08-27T22:33:19 < BrainDamage> so sep taps
2018-08-27T22:33:44 < BrainDamage> the ring circuit doesn't sound enough abomination until you mention that wires are sized for half current
2018-08-27T22:34:02 < BrainDamage> so if the ring splits, things suddenly catch fire
2018-08-27T22:34:19 < BrainDamage> because the wires have to carry twice the current they are rated
2018-08-27T22:34:29 < karlp> gotta save that copper!
2018-08-27T22:34:36 < karlp> fires in the future are better than hitler.
2018-08-27T22:34:47 < karlp> also, fuses.... fuses _everywhere_
2018-08-27T22:35:20 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: why else would you use that ring topology if not for using half the copper ;)
2018-08-27T22:35:53 < PaulFertser> karlp: I think they got RCDs in every wall socket but that's kinda sane probably?
2018-08-27T22:36:14 < karlp> PaulFertser: I mean the plugs. they all have a fuse in them too.
2018-08-27T22:36:35 < Steffanx> Heh, i remember that now BrainDamage . The seperate taps, but why on earth would you bath or was stuff in water that has the potential to contain a shitload of weird bacteria?
2018-08-27T22:36:48 < Steffanx> *wash
2018-08-27T22:36:48 < PaulFertser> karlp: ah, yes :)
2018-08-27T22:38:13 < Steffanx> Nevermind. Never question a Brit.
2018-08-27T22:43:05 < Laurenceb__> sup
2018-08-27T22:43:07 < Laurenceb__> muh water
2018-08-27T22:43:29 < Laurenceb__> I need to fix muh water system
2018-08-27T22:43:44 < Laurenceb__> central heating pump died and the guarentee expired in 1965
2018-08-27T22:45:36 < Steffanx> guarantee Laurenceb__
2018-08-27T22:45:52 < BrainDamage> here's a plausible explanation for laurenceb's links https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naegleria_fowleri
2018-08-27T22:45:53 < Laurenceb__> sheeet
2018-08-27T22:46:01 < Laurenceb__> the ametimutt strikes
2018-08-27T22:46:25 < Steffanx> amerimutt
2018-08-27T22:46:37 < Laurenceb__> sheet its in muh water
2018-08-27T22:46:55 < englishman> Steffanx: you start with the hot water, and quickly wash your hands with the room temperature water in the pipe, then hope you finish before the scalding hot water comes up from the central tank. then shut it off
2018-08-27T22:47:14 < Steffanx> i see englishman .
2018-08-27T22:47:19 < Laurenceb__> ^something liek that
2018-08-27T22:47:21 < Steffanx> sounds like you have real englishman experience.
2018-08-27T22:47:34 < Laurenceb__> or in my case the water is freezing cuz it all broke
2018-08-27T22:48:03 < Steffanx> !wz nottingham
2018-08-27T22:48:05 < englishbot> [Nottingham, United Kingdom] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 16.1°C. NNW wind: 9.7 kph. Humidity: 100%.
2018-08-27T22:48:12 < Steffanx> its not freezing in nottingham
2018-08-27T22:48:27 < Laurenceb__> it is in winter
2018-08-27T22:48:50 < englishman> let laurent teach you how to wire up a toaster
2018-08-27T22:49:21 < Laurenceb__> wut
2018-08-27T22:49:32 < Laurenceb__> toaster reflow?
2018-08-27T22:49:55 < englishman> how to attach a mains plug to your kettle
2018-08-27T22:50:28 < Laurenceb__> wut
2018-08-27T22:50:38 < Laurenceb__> dis is not hard
2018-08-27T22:50:48 < englishman> but you have to do it
2018-08-27T22:51:36 < zyp> so anyway, people don't still use gravity fed hot water tanks, or do they?
2018-08-27T22:51:47 < Laurenceb__> unlikely on new houses
2018-08-27T22:51:56 < Laurenceb__> shittons of installations tho
2018-08-27T22:51:57 < Laurenceb__> bbl
2018-08-27T22:52:10 < zyp> they're not getting replaced?
2018-08-27T23:01:33 < kakimir> did someone say hitler?
2018-08-27T23:02:11 < kakimir> o/
2018-08-27T23:02:38 < kakimir> o
2018-08-27T23:02:42 < catphish> qyx: i hope you're right about the excellence of the 14500 cells :) https://imgur.com/a/5AahLk4
2018-08-27T23:02:55 < catphish> they actually fit rather nicely
2018-08-27T23:03:06 < kakimir> you changed cell to li-ion?
2018-08-27T23:03:17 < kakimir> good call
2018-08-27T23:03:38 < kakimir> I mean there is only benefits
2018-08-27T23:03:54 < catphish> not really li-ion, sorry
2018-08-27T23:04:13 < kakimir> okay
2018-08-27T23:04:15 < qyx> catphish: idk, you will see
2018-08-27T23:04:17 < kakimir> but bigger cell?
2018-08-27T23:04:24 < qyx> no, it is lisocl2
2018-08-27T23:04:39 < catphish> lisocl2, mostly just higher voltage
2018-08-27T23:04:40 < qyx> catphish: they flight to the space too, must be good
2018-08-27T23:04:55 < qyx> *fly
2018-08-27T23:05:17 < qyx> also
2018-08-27T23:05:40 < qyx> I would make the antenna going around the whole pcb, but thats a different topic
2018-08-27T23:05:53 < qyx> I think you discussed it with zyp
2018-08-27T23:06:23 < catphish> i never made a decision about that
2018-08-27T23:06:41 < Steffanx> PCBs are cheap, why dont you try a few configs?
2018-08-27T23:06:45 < catphish> but... vendor docs say otherwise, they say to put it in a separate part of the board
2018-08-27T23:07:05 < Steffanx> perhaps skip all the parts yo udont really need first?
2018-08-27T23:07:24 < catphish> there's only so many i can be bothered to assemble, hopefully i get things right-ish in design
2018-08-27T23:07:33 < jadew> catphish, nice house
2018-08-27T23:07:38 < catphish> thanks :)
2018-08-27T23:08:26 < Steffanx> Did you spot his nice (wedding) suite too, jadew ? :P
2018-08-27T23:08:34 < Steffanx> re: the suit discussion
2018-08-27T23:08:50 < catphish> "suit"
2018-08-27T23:08:52 < jadew> I did not
2018-08-27T23:10:07 < Steffanx> Welcome sir mr superbia1
2018-08-27T23:13:15 < catphish> Steffanx: there ya go: https://i.imgur.com/J5yPTAw.jpg
2018-08-27T23:13:28 < catphish> one suit
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2018-08-27T23:16:53 < catphish> i won't be building this board until after i build the dev board and write some code anyway
2018-08-27T23:22:47 < mawk> I'm in the netherlands
2018-08-27T23:22:54 < mawk> and the weather is lame
2018-08-27T23:22:55 < englishman> sorry to hear that
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2018-08-27T23:24:23 < catphish> i'm in england, so you know what the weather is like
2018-08-27T23:26:18 < catphish> yes
2018-08-27T23:26:49 < catphish> thanks :)
2018-08-27T23:29:01 < tomeaton> the weather is ok atm catphish
2018-08-27T23:29:24 < catphish> i usually look more like a homeless man
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2018-08-27T23:29:37 < tomeaton> Nice
2018-08-27T23:30:47 < mawk> you look very british catphish 
2018-08-27T23:31:08 < tomeaton> I don't get how you can look british
2018-08-27T23:31:56 < catphish> by not looking like a foreigner
2018-08-27T23:32:24 < tomeaton> I don't think I do
2018-08-27T23:32:45 < englishman> the name tom eaton is quite british
2018-08-27T23:33:23 < tomeaton> Yeah englishman I come from a family of looking glass makers apparently
2018-08-27T23:33:31 < tomeaton> I would submit to that competition but im not vain
2018-08-27T23:34:07 < tomeaton> whats the prize
2018-08-27T23:34:21 < tomeaton> ok
2018-08-27T23:34:29 < tomeaton> my submission is on my website
2018-08-27T23:35:17 < tomeaton> ok
2018-08-27T23:36:01 < tomeaton> good night
2018-08-27T23:49:00 < catphish> need to mount a ferrite rod to the pcb somehow, like this thing: https://alexnld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/569b28fc-e79b-4467-901a-1260b627a136.jpg
2018-08-27T23:50:11 < emeryth> hot glue
2018-08-27T23:50:56 < catphish> i need these clips ideally: http://www.cryptomuseum.com/spy/sternchen/img/302571/015/full.jpg
2018-08-27T23:51:14 < catphish> glue is messy :(
2018-08-27T23:54:53 < c10ud> glue, thread, ties ... multiple options really
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2018-08-27T23:58:32 < catphish> i think fuse or battery clips might work well if i can find the right size
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2018-08-28T00:00:40 < c10ud> whatever floats your boat really
2018-08-28T00:02:01 < catphish> i think 2 of these will do the job :) https://www.keyelco.com/category.cfm/Battery-Coin-Cell-Holders-Contacts-Clips/Battery-Clips/p/404/id/950
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2018-08-28T00:18:11 < Steffanx> The weather is not to nice indeed mr mawk 
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2018-08-28T00:40:13 < Steffanx> !wz weather
2018-08-28T00:40:15 < englishbot> [Weatherford, Texas] Clear. Temp is 35.5°C but feels like 38°C. East wind: 13.0 kph.
2018-08-28T00:40:20 < Steffanx> there you go.
2018-08-28T00:40:38 < kakimir> !wz kaki
2018-08-28T00:40:40 < englishbot> [Kaki Barama, Niger] Clear. Temp is 30°C. Humidity: 58%.
2018-08-28T00:40:55 < kakimir> I need to visit my town
2018-08-28T00:41:19 < tomeaton> !wz southampton uk
2018-08-28T00:41:19 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-08-28T00:41:22 < tomeaton> Nice.
2018-08-28T00:41:28 < tomeaton> good bot!!
2018-08-28T00:41:56 < kakimir> !wz southampton
2018-08-28T00:41:58 < englishbot> [Southampton, United Kingdom] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 15°C. WNW wind: 7 kph. Humidity: 67%.
2018-08-28T00:42:00 < kakimir> there
2018-08-28T00:42:08 < tomeaton> good bot.
2018-08-28T00:42:16 < kakimir> !wz NZIR
2018-08-28T00:42:16 < englishbot> [NZIR, (null)] Overcast. Temp is -28.9°C. Humidity: 51%.
2018-08-28T00:42:28 < kakimir> proper winter readings
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2018-08-28T00:48:44 < kakimir> !wz Death Valley
2018-08-28T00:48:45 < englishbot> [Death Valley, California] Clear. Temp is 34.1°C. SSE wind: 12.9 kph.
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2018-08-28T00:49:31 < kakimir> !wz Dallol
2018-08-28T00:49:33 < englishbot> [Dallol Aisha, Nigeria] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 29°C but feels like 32°C. North wind: 17 kph. Humidity: 66%.
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2018-08-28T00:50:22 < kakimir> !wz Dallol, Ethiopia
2018-08-28T00:50:23 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-08-28T00:51:00 < kakimir> !wz Timbuktu, Mali
2018-08-28T00:51:01 < englishbot> [Timbuktu, Mali] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 30°C. SSE wind: 11 kph.
2018-08-28T00:51:26 < englishman> !wz nordvik
2018-08-28T00:51:27 < englishbot> [Nordvik, Finland] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 12.2°C. Humidity: 80%.
2018-08-28T00:52:05 < englishman> !wz svalbard
2018-08-28T00:52:06 < englishbot> [Svalbard, Iceland] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 8°C but feels like 4°C. SE wind: 23 kph.
2018-08-28T00:54:38 < Steffanx> !wz Middle of nowhere
2018-08-28T00:54:39 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-08-28T00:54:54 < Steffanx> it should have said: kakimir's home town
2018-08-28T00:55:46 < kakimir> !wz North Pole
2018-08-28T00:55:48 < englishbot> [North Pole, Alaska] Overcast. Temp is 11.9°C. Humidity: 100%.
2018-08-28T00:55:53 < kakimir> meh
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2018-08-28T00:56:33 < kakimir> !wz beijing
2018-08-28T00:56:34 < englishbot> [Beijing, China] Rain. Temp is 25°C. NE wind: 5 kph.
2018-08-28T01:00:51 < kakimir> !wz cairo
2018-08-28T01:00:54 < englishbot> [Cairo, Egypt] Clear. Temp is 27.5°C but feels like 30°C. NNW wind: 5.1 kph. Humidity: 69%.
2018-08-28T01:01:15 < Steffanx> !wz the end
2018-08-28T01:01:16 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-08-28T01:01:22 < kakimir> it's cold everywhere
2018-08-28T01:01:23 < tomeaton> great bot
2018-08-28T01:01:25 < Steffanx> !wz end
2018-08-28T01:01:26 < englishbot> [Ende, Indonesia] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 22°C. South wind: 2 kph.
2018-08-28T01:01:43 < tomeaton> !wz bell end
2018-08-28T01:01:43 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-08-28T01:01:44 < Steffanx> !wz earth
2018-08-28T01:01:45 < englishbot> [Earth, Texas] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 35.7°C. SW wind: 25.7 kph.
2018-08-28T01:01:51 < tomeaton> !wz twatt
2018-08-28T01:01:51 < englishbot> [Twatt, United Kingdom] Clear. Temp is 9.7°C. WNW wind: 9.0 kph. Humidity: 86%.
2018-08-28T01:02:10 < kakimir> Steffanx: we have a winner
2018-08-28T01:02:18 < kakimir> earth is the hottest place
2018-08-28T01:03:29 < tomeaton> !wz pheonix
2018-08-28T01:03:29 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-08-28T01:03:37 < tomeaton> !wz phoenix
2018-08-28T01:03:38 < englishbot> [Phoenix, Arizona] Clear. Temp is 40.0°C.
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2018-08-28T01:05:43 < kakimir> !wz tucson
2018-08-28T01:05:45 < englishbot> [Tucson, Arizona] Clear. Temp is 38.6°C. South wind: 2.2 kph.
2018-08-28T01:06:38 < tomeaton> I win
2018-08-28T01:08:03 < Steffanx> !wz death valley
2018-08-28T01:08:04 < englishbot> [Death Valley, California] Clear. Temp is 34.1°C. SSE wind: 12.9 kph.
2018-08-28T01:08:07 < Steffanx> Hm
2018-08-28T01:08:51 < tomeaton> unlucky
2018-08-28T01:10:23 < kakimir> just a minute
2018-08-28T01:11:54 < kakimir> !wz Ouadane, Mauritania
2018-08-28T01:11:56 < englishbot> [Ouadane, Mauritania] Clear. Temp is 35°C. SE wind: 8 kph.
2018-08-28T01:11:59 < kakimir> fuu
2018-08-28T01:12:44 < Thorn> !wz UUOL
2018-08-28T01:12:44 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-08-28T01:12:47 < tomeaton> !wz Dallol
2018-08-28T01:12:48 < englishbot> [Dallol Aisha, Nigeria] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 29°C but feels like 32°C. North wind: 17 kph. Humidity: 66%.
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2018-08-28T01:12:55 < tomeaton> damn that was bad
2018-08-28T01:12:57 < tomeaton> sorry
2018-08-28T01:13:03 < englishman> its 31C here today
2018-08-28T01:13:04 < englishman> v nice
2018-08-28T01:13:14 < Cracki> !wz fucking
2018-08-28T01:13:15 < englishbot> [Fucking, Austria] Overcast. Temp is 14.5°C. Humidity: 96%.
2018-08-28T01:13:53 < tomeaton> https://i.redd.it/2ck25ixivni11.jpg
2018-08-28T01:14:02 < Cracki> he was jewish.
2018-08-28T01:14:19 < tomeaton> did you see the gameplay of him
2018-08-28T01:14:23 < tomeaton> Cracki, of course
2018-08-28T01:14:30 < Cracki> didn't see his gameplay
2018-08-28T01:14:50 < tomeaton> Cracki, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI24Yn9BOWk
2018-08-28T01:14:54 < tomeaton> he is bread
2018-08-28T01:14:54 < Cracki> I heard he was a real psycho, very neurotic, very schizo
2018-08-28T01:15:03 < kakimir> !wz sahara
2018-08-28T01:15:04 < englishbot> [Sahara Heights, Canada] . Temp is 28.8°C.
2018-08-28T01:15:06 < tomeaton> when they show his face he looks crazy
2018-08-28T01:15:07 < Cracki> "bread" means little to me
2018-08-28T01:15:33 < tomeaton> Cracki, go to 10:35 on that vid he is on left
2018-08-28T01:15:42 < kakimir> !wz Taoudenni, Mali
2018-08-28T01:15:43 < englishbot> [Taoudenni, Mali] Clear. Temp is 37°C. East wind: 11 kph.
2018-08-28T01:16:20 < Cracki> "flat affect", the poker face
2018-08-28T01:16:24 < Cracki> it's a sign of mental illness
2018-08-28T01:16:34 < Cracki> it was a ticking time bomb
2018-08-28T01:17:02 < Cracki> David Katz was his name
2018-08-28T01:17:12 < tomeaton> yeah
2018-08-28T01:17:47 < Cracki> forward.com and timesofisrael.com think he's of the tribe, I'd believe them about this
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2018-08-28T01:19:04 < kakimir> https://www.google.fi/maps/@21.0310103,-8.8109351,691233m/data=!3m1!1e3 there is almost 42C
2018-08-28T01:19:05 < englishman> this is the blandest most uninteresting shooter ever
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2018-08-28T01:19:27 < tomeaton> he looks like he was made in school shooter sim 2018 character generator
2018-08-28T01:19:30 < Cracki> poor sand people getting melted to glass
2018-08-28T01:19:37 < kakimir> englishman: does your bot eat cordinates?
2018-08-28T01:19:42 < englishman> try it
2018-08-28T01:20:20 < kakimir> !wz 25.50° N, 2.51° E
2018-08-28T01:20:21 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-08-28T01:23:16 < kakimir> !wz Al-Obailah
2018-08-28T01:23:16 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-08-28T01:26:02 < kakimir> !wz Ejido Sonora
2018-08-28T01:26:03 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-08-28T01:26:46 < kakimir> !wz Mexicali
2018-08-28T01:26:47 < englishbot> [Mexicali, Mexico] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 42.1°C but feels like 39°C.
2018-08-28T01:27:10 < kakimir> have fun finding next one
2018-08-28T01:27:53 < kakimir> tomeaton?! you're up for a challenge?
2018-08-28T01:28:17 < tomeaton> kakimir, ooh nice
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2018-08-28T01:29:02 < tomeaton> kakimir, you found this https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/?sort=6&low=4 didnt you 
2018-08-28T01:31:28 < kakimir> https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=temp/patterson=-96.98,33.31,1526/loc=-115.417,32.519 negative
2018-08-28T01:32:06 < kakimir> tomeaton: I tried to find that thing
2018-08-28T01:32:11 < kakimir> but found this thing
2018-08-28T01:33:01 < Cracki> OwO whats this? https://www.haaretz.com/amp/opinion/.premium-sefi-rachlevsky-bibi-and-the-goyim-1.5239299?__twitter_impression=true
2018-08-28T01:33:51 < kakimir> dope
2018-08-28T01:34:15 < kakimir> genocide in 3..
2018-08-28T01:34:32 < kakimir> legal one too
2018-08-28T01:34:38 < tomeaton> I think you won kakimir gg
2018-08-28T01:34:56 < tomeaton> kakimir, also damn thats a cool map
2018-08-28T01:35:18 < kakimir> I thought there was nothing to find in internets anymore
2018-08-28T01:35:33 < kakimir> press "earth" and you can change stuff
2018-08-28T01:36:04 < kakimir> he sucks it?
2018-08-28T01:36:14 < kakimir> then has eye contact with you?
2018-08-28T01:37:08 < kakimir> wow
2018-08-28T01:38:07 < Cracki> tell him he stinks
2018-08-28T01:38:52 < kakimir> he just doesn't know computers?
2018-08-28T01:40:17 < kakimir> are you a catch crt?
2018-08-28T01:40:51 < tomeaton> that is very strange
2018-08-28T01:42:34 < kakimir> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=catch
2018-08-28T01:43:41 < kakimir> or a boy
2018-08-28T01:45:35 < kakimir> I think term could be used generally in context of predation
2018-08-28T01:49:27 < kakimir> crt: ask him what's up?
2018-08-28T01:54:28 < kakimir> does he have a beard?
2018-08-28T01:55:14 < kakimir> ehm
2018-08-28T01:55:56 < Thorn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depopulation_of_cockroaches_in_post-Soviet_states
2018-08-28T01:58:09 < kakimir> :D
2018-08-28T01:58:25 < kakimir> where are you exactly
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2018-08-28T02:09:12 < kakimir> has it always been like that?
2018-08-28T02:10:21 < kakimir> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4534736/Images-reveal-New-York-s-dirty-subway-70s-80s.html
2018-08-28T02:16:31 < Thorn> http://worldif.economist.com/article/12166/world-v-donald
2018-08-28T02:18:14 < kakimir> tl;dr
2018-08-28T02:19:30 < Thorn> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/LTC2209CUP-LTC2209IUP-LTC2209CUP-14-LTC2209IUP-14-16-Bit-160Msps-ADC/1000004589308.html
2018-08-28T02:20:01 < kakimir> a beast
2018-08-28T02:20:11 < kakimir> there is a problem
2018-08-28T02:20:29 < kakimir> it's too fancy for me to even get it's power rails properly done
2018-08-28T02:20:43 < kakimir> Thorn: what you are up to?
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2018-08-28T02:32:03 < Thorn> nothing at this time
2018-08-28T02:48:34 < karlp> no way I'd turst ali for a part like that
2018-08-28T02:52:10 < Thorn> I'm pretty sure it's export controlled too lol
2018-08-28T03:04:53 < kakimir> do they take appart some oscilloscopes for these or what?
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2018-08-28T03:19:17 < Laurenceb__> >New York
2018-08-28T03:19:29 < Laurenceb__> the London of Murica
2018-08-28T03:19:58 < Laurenceb__> a shothole where nothing useful is done and the home of the Donald
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2018-08-28T03:24:23 < tomeaton> Laurenceb__, 
2018-08-28T03:24:41 < tomeaton> I think you are talking about nottingham
2018-08-28T03:25:02 < Laurenceb__> nah we have a university that grabs grant money to do nothing
2018-08-28T03:25:04 < Laurenceb__> also 
2018-08-28T03:25:11 < Laurenceb__> >nottingham not shottingham
2018-08-28T03:25:28 < Laurenceb__> drive-by capital of Britain
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2018-08-28T03:29:56 < tomeaton> manchester > nottingham 
2018-08-28T03:30:06 < tomeaton> nice wasting my tax
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2018-08-28T04:11:58 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/jfhDrQN.jpg
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2018-08-28T05:04:34 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.instagram.com/p/BnABN57gwW9/
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2018-08-28T05:29:49 < englishman> thanks muchly
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2018-08-28T05:41:02 < englishman> amd is $25
2018-08-28T05:41:05 < englishman> fucking crazy
2018-08-28T05:48:11 < scrts> because of what?
2018-08-28T05:48:17 < scrts> finally beat intel cpu?
2018-08-28T05:52:43 < englishman> haha
2018-08-28T05:52:46 < englishman> good one
2018-08-28T05:52:52 < englishman> idk
2018-08-28T05:52:57 < englishman> 3 years ago it was under $2
2018-08-28T06:12:26 < scrts> lol
2018-08-28T06:12:42 < scrts> I bought nvidia shares last year in march, was about $100 each
2018-08-28T06:13:47 < scrts> what's the common name of the 2.54 pin header female?
2018-08-28T06:14:02 < scrts> is there some name for it?
2018-08-28T06:14:08 < scrts> can't properly find it on mouser
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2018-08-28T06:42:01 < englishman> Rectangular Connectors - Headers, Receptacles, Female Sockets
2018-08-28T06:43:38 < scrts> thx
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2018-08-28T11:44:37 < Cracki> best chicks
2018-08-28T11:44:42 < BrainDamage> now now, don't arouse faprenceb, otherwise we'll hear no end of it
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2018-08-28T12:06:15 < kakimir> it's hard to pick caps when there is no availibility
2018-08-28T12:06:27 < day> crt: it may lighten your mood when i tell you that Germany officially gets a 3rd gender soon \o/
2018-08-28T12:07:13 < Cracki> rofling isn't so much a lightened mood as despair
2018-08-28T12:07:40 < Cracki> third gender is when an animal acts injured to attract the compassion of predators
2018-08-28T12:08:26 < Cracki> they shall have their freeform fields on their government ID for all I care
2018-08-28T12:08:44 < Cracki> you could do it for him
2018-08-28T12:08:54 < Cracki> I'm sure you're very gentle
2018-08-28T12:09:03 < day> the gender is going to be called "divers" translates to i guess "various/ miscellaneous" :P
2018-08-28T12:09:12 < Laurenceb__> the pizza experience https://postimg.cc/image/bh9gq8yz5/
2018-08-28T12:09:28 < Laurenceb__> Cracki: I saw you and ur friends on the news
2018-08-28T12:11:25 < Cracki> wat
2018-08-28T12:11:39 < Cracki> who's the suit looking like the kids stole the salami off his pizza?
2018-08-28T12:11:54 < Laurenceb__> Mayor of Manchester
2018-08-28T12:12:07 < Cracki> he's not pakistani
2018-08-28T12:12:35 < Laurenceb__> ikr, bigoted and racist
2018-08-28T12:12:54 < Cracki> all the kids are white too
2018-08-28T12:12:57 < Laurenceb__> and pizza topping thieving
2018-08-28T12:12:57 < Cracki> what is going on?
2018-08-28T12:13:53 < Laurenceb__> they are clearly a gang of pizza topping thieves he has just captured
2018-08-28T12:14:50 < Cracki> I do find it ironic how an *island* can speak of its gene "pool"
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2018-08-28T12:15:42 < Cracki> that can't be it. it's large enough and mainlanders don't mix that much just because they can travel...
2018-08-28T12:15:55 < Cracki> perhaps it's the diet of salami-less pizza
2018-08-28T12:17:01 < Cracki> if I had to guess, I'd guess all their ancestors 100 years back can be placed within 50 kilometers of each other
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2018-08-28T12:38:44 < Laurenceb__> imagine believing that emdrive is real
2018-08-28T12:40:14 < Steffanx> Does it make your brain hurt?
2018-08-28T12:41:17 < Laurenceb__> I bet you think its real
2018-08-28T12:42:56 < BrainDamage> real it's real, work it doesn't
2018-08-28T12:46:07 < zyp> no good chats today?
2018-08-28T12:46:31 < zyp> more people should show off their houses, I enjoyed that topic yesterday
2018-08-28T12:51:42 < zyp> right now? eating lunch
2018-08-28T12:53:05 < Steffanx> What is crt doin'?
2018-08-28T12:55:37 < Steffanx> Dont go in the door.
2018-08-28T12:57:09 < Steffanx> Same zyp, but no tour from my side :P
2018-08-28T13:02:27 < karlp> hrm, I only have pics from moving day. place looks a bit unky then
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2018-08-28T13:16:14 < Steffanx> Crt, dont do your Blaxter imitation please
2018-08-28T13:16:47 < Steffanx> :P
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2018-08-28T13:32:07 < Steffanx> Try this one instead crt
2018-08-28T13:32:10 < Steffanx> https://youtu.be/oVti3b4rqQA
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2018-08-28T13:37:25 < Steffanx> Time to watch some How its made
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2018-08-28T13:43:55 < Kerr-A> So... I need to make this STM32 communicate with another STM32 but the only two pins that are "free" are the SWDIO and SWCLK pins... https://i.imgur.com/9Qv9S3j.png
2018-08-28T13:48:29 < Thorn> use a bigger package
2018-08-28T13:48:50 < englishman> bitbang SWD directly into the other chips flash
2018-08-28T13:49:36 < Kerr-A> hm.
2018-08-28T13:49:48 < Kerr-A> I didn't think about taking advantage of the SWD that wayu
2018-08-28T13:50:02 < englishman> my house is ugly from the outside, but it was a rental property for 30+ years and poorly (cheaply) maintained, when it was new in 1845 it had birch planking
2018-08-28T13:50:13 < Kerr-A> Thorn I'd prefer not to go to a bigger package if I can make this one work
2018-08-28T13:50:33 < zyp> then just remap the pins
2018-08-28T13:51:18 < Kerr-A> Unless I'm missing something, there's no I2C available on those two, so I'll end up bit banging somewhere I think
2018-08-28T13:51:37 < zyp> so move something else to those pins to free up some pins with I2C or whatever
2018-08-28T13:51:43 < zyp> or just get a bigger package
2018-08-28T13:52:02 < zyp> shoehorning tends to make for bad design decisions
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2018-08-28T13:59:10 < Kerr-A> I can move the PA2 and PA3 outputs to PA13 and PA14 then use USART on PA2 and PA3
2018-08-28T14:00:40 < englishman> unless you really need the space savings, which we can judge for you (we love judging), it usually ends up being much easier to use large packages to develop then reduce size later
2018-08-28T14:03:05 < englishman> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/High-quality-AOI-optical-testing-machine_60741935301.html
2018-08-28T14:03:20 < englishman> what are the chances its called a A486 because there is a 486 inside
2018-08-28T14:03:34 < Kerr-A> lol
2018-08-28T14:04:41 < Kerr-A> Last time I tried to get some stuff from alibaba (from a 5 year "Gold" Supplier!) We agreed on a price and I sent them $400. Then the guy said they made a mistake on the price and need $300 more before they'll ship
2018-08-28T14:05:19 < Kerr-A> So... Pass
2018-08-28T14:07:36 < Kerr-A> Mostly i'm using this particular stm32 because I already have them
2018-08-28T14:07:50 < Kerr-A> O_O
2018-08-28T14:10:27 < Kerr-A> yikes
2018-08-28T14:13:16 < BrainDamage> and another user gets scared out in 5
2018-08-28T14:14:03 < sync> probably 100% englishman 
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2018-08-28T14:58:24 < kakimir> what is up with windows image viewer
2018-08-28T14:58:34 < kakimir> it sucks all the power
2018-08-28T14:58:36 < Steffanx> Notting.
2018-08-28T14:58:51 < kakimir> it's broken
2018-08-28T14:59:02 < kakimir> actually it eats periodically all the mem
2018-08-28T14:59:28 < kakimir> graph of mem does saw edge motion
2018-08-28T15:00:03 < kakimir> always when I forgot it on it happens
2018-08-28T15:01:24 < kakimir> only thing working now is ircs
2018-08-28T15:02:02 < kakimir> took 3minutes for it to exit
2018-08-28T15:03:41 < kakimir> it's a bug definitelly
2018-08-28T15:03:47 < kakimir> and it has been around for a while
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2018-08-28T15:11:30 < Guest45> sup
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2018-08-28T15:12:24 < Laurenceband> til Influxdb fails epically with hours of audio data
2018-08-28T15:12:28 < Laurenceband>  SELECT COUNT("Channel-1") FROM audiodata ERR: Get http://localhost:8086/query?db=test&epoch=ns&q=SELECT+COUNT%28%22Channel-1%22%29+FROM+audiodata: EOF
2018-08-28T15:13:02 < Laurenceband> also its down to a crawl now a few tens of GB of data have been added
2018-08-28T15:13:06 < Laurenceband>  1/10 real time
2018-08-28T15:14:59 < zyp> I thought you concluded months ago that influxdb were unsuitable for the job
2018-08-28T15:15:06 < zyp> why are you still trying to use it?
2018-08-28T15:15:09 < Laurenceband> of course
2018-08-28T15:15:16 < Laurenceband> but managers concluded otherwise
2018-08-28T15:15:38 < Laurenceband> now they get to find out why their xeon server is running at 100% on all cores
2018-08-28T15:16:07 < Laurenceband> it gets slower the more data you add
2018-08-28T15:16:12 < Laurenceband> who would have thunk it
2018-08-28T15:18:31 < Laurenceband> the fact that that stops it replying to queries is not encouraging
2018-08-28T15:18:50 < Laurenceband> almost like its intrinsically shit
2018-08-28T15:20:27 < Laurenceband> protip: ur time series database audiophool system is not going to work
2018-08-28T15:21:44 < srk> try timescale and pg
2018-08-28T15:22:37 < Laurenceband> or just use files like a sane person
2018-08-28T15:22:43 < Laurenceband> and store metadata in the database
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2018-08-28T16:00:26 < zyp> hmm
2018-08-28T16:01:35 < zyp> is there any way I can read out the specific variant of a f042 I've got? I think it's a f042k6, but I've wrapped it up in tape and I don't really want to peel it off again to confirm
2018-08-28T16:02:17 < zyp> DBGMCU_IDCODE only tells me that it's a f04x rev. A
2018-08-28T16:06:49 < karlp> memsize regs?
2018-08-28T16:06:51 < zyp> ah, FLASH_SIZE register confirms it's a 32k flash variant
2018-08-28T16:07:00 < karlp> yar
2018-08-28T16:07:11 < zyp> idk what pincount variant it is, but that doesn't really matter
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2018-08-28T16:31:29 < zyp> uh, anybody remember where the fucking .gdbinit goes on windows?
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2018-08-28T16:32:50 < catphish> this is why i don't ask people for quotes... "Charlie, Thank you for your email. Can you give some more details in regard to your project , also the timescales etc. I can then send you the information you need."
2018-08-28T16:34:20 < karlp> zyp: it looks in project dir first too...
2018-08-28T16:35:02 < zyp> yeah, except it complains about the auto load safe path bullshit
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2018-08-28T16:36:12 < zyp> anyway, I figured it out
2018-08-28T16:36:31 < zyp> apparently the HOME environment variable doesn't exist on windows by default, setting it makes everything sane
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2018-08-28T16:56:59 < Cracki> ^
2018-08-28T17:06:52 < karlp> huh, dealership wants to charge 45k to activate android auto/smartlink.
2018-08-28T17:06:57 < karlp> seems a leeeeeetle much
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2018-08-28T17:16:40 < zyp> 45k what?
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2018-08-28T17:18:03 < zyp> ISK? so a bit over $400?
2018-08-28T17:18:57 < day> i heard that dealerships charge exclusively in dogecoin
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2018-08-28T17:38:09 < bitmask> hmm, I cant figure out how I want to do pcb -> plotter.  is gerber complicated?
2018-08-28T17:38:10 < bitmask> maybe I'll do bitmap tracing/infill
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2018-08-28T17:44:32 < Cracki> kek our university janitors just sent an email... seems there's a dude going around, saying he's the cleaning service, asking for *keys*... as if we didn't have a cleaning company already! janitor made sure to mention he was black
2018-08-28T17:44:46 < Cracki> bitmask, gerber shouldn't be complicated
2018-08-28T17:45:06 < Sadale> lol sounds fishy
2018-08-28T17:45:16 < Cracki> orly
2018-08-28T17:45:28 < Cracki> bitmask, even eagle can export something that can be converted to svg
2018-08-28T17:46:05 < bitmask> yea I may just use svg, my plotter already does svg, but I need to add support for infill and converting linewidth to multiple passes
2018-08-28T17:46:09 < Cracki> the one pcb I made with eagle and then isolation-milled was a small breakout. I basically drew lines the mill would trace, fuck radii.
2018-08-28T17:46:23 < Cracki> "infill"? for a pcb?
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2018-08-28T17:46:28 < Cracki> just isolation-mill, leave the rest
2018-08-28T17:46:48 < bitmask> I'm not milling, I'm etching
2018-08-28T17:46:51 < Cracki> or do you want to "paint" the copper on a blank pcb?
2018-08-28T17:46:57 < bitmask> yea
2018-08-28T17:47:07 < Cracki> so... what, you draw with a permanent marker?
2018-08-28T17:47:18 < bitmask> yea, heard a brand that was good for it and bought some
2018-08-28T17:47:23 < Cracki> ic ic
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2018-08-28T17:47:40 < Cracki> so polygons need hatch fill
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2018-08-28T17:48:01 < bitmask> I'll have to do some ray casting for that
2018-08-28T17:48:09 < Cracki> so pcb to gerber to svg, edit in inkscape maybe
2018-08-28T17:48:11 < Cracki> wut
2018-08-28T17:48:14 < Cracki> why raycasting
2018-08-28T17:48:26 < bitmask> how else would you find lines for infill
2018-08-28T17:48:33 < Cracki> uh...
2018-08-28T17:48:42 < Cracki> you define what needs infill
2018-08-28T17:48:50 < Cracki> or...
2018-08-28T17:49:10 < Cracki> you take the vector definition of the copper plane, offset it "shell", and the rest is "infill"
2018-08-28T17:49:16 < Cracki> like a slicer does
2018-08-28T17:49:18 < bitmask> so it just magically does it for you by saying "do this"?
2018-08-28T17:49:24 < Cracki> what does what?
2018-08-28T17:49:29 < Cracki> I think inkscape can do offset
2018-08-28T17:49:35 < Cracki> not sure how it handles selfintersection tho
2018-08-28T17:50:04 < Cracki> if you have vector data, I don't see why you'd need to cast rays for anything
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2018-08-28T17:50:10 < Cracki> except determine inside/outside
2018-08-28T17:50:22 < bitmask> exactly...
2018-08-28T17:50:26 < bitmask> thats the whole point
2018-08-28T17:50:32 < Cracki> uh
2018-08-28T17:50:46 < Cracki> that info should already be in the file, right?
2018-08-28T17:51:32 < Cracki> in any case, there are simple tests for dtermining which side of a polygon is inside
2018-08-28T17:51:33 < bitmask> if you have a circle, how would anything in a file tell you the coordinates of lines however far apart you need to draw to get infill to work
2018-08-28T17:51:46 < Cracki> if you have a circle, you have center + radius
2018-08-28T17:52:02 < Cracki> but you also have the information that this circle is either copper, or *subtracted* from copper
2018-08-28T17:52:14 < Cracki> what data *do* you have?
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2018-08-28T17:52:20 < Cracki> this is getting a bit hypothetical
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2018-08-28T17:52:46 < bitmask> yea you are completely ignoring implementation, you just seem to be assuming things work themselves out
2018-08-28T17:52:52 < Cracki> no
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2018-08-28T17:53:02 < Cracki> let's start from the beginning
2018-08-28T17:53:05 < bitmask> I'm between svg and bitmaps of black and white
2018-08-28T17:53:23 < Cracki> so? use svg?
2018-08-28T17:53:38 < Cracki> bitmap is lossy already
2018-08-28T17:54:12 < zyp> bitmask, can't you just process the gerber file directly, why do you have to make everything so hard?
2018-08-28T17:54:22 < Cracki> your task is basically a slicer for a single slice
2018-08-28T17:54:26 < zyp> after all, gerber is a plotter file format in the first place
2018-08-28T17:54:28 < bitmask> I dont know what gerber is, I'll have to look it up
2018-08-28T17:54:28 < Cracki> ^
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2018-08-28T17:54:38 < bitmask> Cracki duh
2018-08-28T17:54:56 < Cracki> ah so you just don't want to deal with gerber? :P
2018-08-28T17:55:09 < Cracki> how about checking if your favorite ECAD program can export svg?
2018-08-28T17:55:12 < Cracki> then you don't have ot
2018-08-28T17:55:18 < bitmask> I asked about gerber in the beginning, I just said I hadn't looked it up
2018-08-28T17:55:23 < Cracki> :D
2018-08-28T17:55:42 < zyp> gerber files are fairly similar to gcode
2018-08-28T17:55:49 < bitmask> ok thats good to know
2018-08-28T17:56:24 < bitmask> The first one I have is an eagle .brd file from oshpark's site
2018-08-28T17:56:38 < bitmask> but kicad can open eagle files now so I can save as gerber
2018-08-28T17:56:44 < bitmask> or maybe eagle can even do that I dunno
2018-08-28T17:56:51 < zyp> of course it can
2018-08-28T17:57:04 < bitmask> so Ill take a look at the file
2018-08-28T17:57:04 < zyp> gerber files are the standard format that every fab expects
2018-08-28T17:57:22 < Cracki> https://www.ucamco.com/en/file-formats/gerber/downloads
2018-08-28T17:57:31 < bitmask> oh right, I was using kicad in the first place because it can export to svg
2018-08-28T17:58:10 < Cracki> eagle should have an ulp for svg export
2018-08-28T17:58:20 < bitmask> no idea what that is
2018-08-28T17:58:31 < Cracki> "script"
2018-08-28T17:58:34 < bitmask> oh
2018-08-28T17:58:39 < Cracki> run from eagle
2018-08-28T17:59:20 < Sadale> I have a dumb question.
2018-08-28T17:59:23 < Cracki> eagle brd files can be binary (before autodesk) or xml (since autodesk), but nobody cares about the contents of that
2018-08-28T17:59:31 < bitmask> well if I can do gerber that would be better so i'll look at the format, thanks for the link, I got some reading to do
2018-08-28T17:59:34 < Sadale> Which side is the "top" of flex cable dot-matrix LCD?
2018-08-28T17:59:41 < zyp> Cracki, no, since eagle 6
2018-08-28T17:59:44 < Thorn> how many layers minimum do you need for ddr3 (one chip)?
2018-08-28T17:59:50 < zyp> autodesk happened a couple of years after xml
2018-08-28T17:59:55 < Cracki> oh, that long ago? then my boss must still use eagle 6...
2018-08-28T17:59:59 < Sadale> I'm interested in knowing it because the specification had mentioned the best view angle.
2018-08-28T18:00:01 < Thorn> and what about impedance control
2018-08-28T18:01:07 < englishman> you could maybe import gerbers into cambam
2018-08-28T18:01:13 < zyp> Thorn, I'd guess that 6 is a practical minimum
2018-08-28T18:01:15 < englishman> then uset he routing tools
2018-08-28T18:01:18 < bitmask> there is still the matter of infill though, I mean you can do offset for traces and stuff, but if you want say a ground plane I doubt concentric is the best method
2018-08-28T18:01:56 < zyp> Thorn, 4 would be doable if the complexity was otherwise low enough
2018-08-28T18:01:56 < Cracki> there's prolly a gerber library for most popular languages...
2018-08-28T18:02:41 < Cracki> if you want to fill 100% always, the pattern doesn't matter because it'll be black anyway, right?
2018-08-28T18:02:43 < bitmask> cambam huh? I'll have to look that up, thanks
2018-08-28T18:03:07 < zyp> Thorn, consider that each signal layer needs a reference ground, so 6L would give you two ground planes with a signal layer on each side
2018-08-28T18:03:25 < bitmask> its not the pattern, it just seems like a weird way to fill it in, zigzag just seems easier
2018-08-28T18:03:35 < Cracki> do zigzag then :P
2018-08-28T18:03:55 < Thorn> is it going to work on a cheap jlcpcb etc. 4-layer board with their standard impedance control if any (assuming I can route it)?
2018-08-28T18:05:24 < zyp> Thorn, if you can use both inner layers as ground planes and do all routing on the two outer layers, and the specs are good enough to fit the vias and stuff, I'd expect it to work
2018-08-28T18:05:56 < bitmask> http://www.cambam.info/screenshots/img/pcb-gcode.png
2018-08-28T18:05:57 < bitmask> nice
2018-08-28T18:06:20 < Thorn> spartan-6 has no support for sdr sdram in their hard memory controller at all
2018-08-28T18:06:26 < zyp> Thorn, i.e. basically like a 6L stackup, just without the two inner signal layers, and thus less routing area
2018-08-28T18:06:44 < Thorn> ok thanks
2018-08-28T18:06:55 < zyp> if you can keep all the signals on bottom, you only need one ground plane too
2018-08-28T18:07:16 < Thorn> I think there's a 4L board with xc6slx16-2ftg256 and ddr3 on ali
2018-08-28T18:07:24 < Thorn> no idea how well it works though
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2018-08-28T18:07:59 < zyp> note that I don't have much relevant practical experience
2018-08-28T18:08:44 < zyp> closest I've done to that is an 8L board I relayouted, and I didn't touch the SOC/DDR block
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2018-08-28T18:09:42 < zyp> and I also don't know how well it worked, that was the last project I did for that employer and my contract ended right after the board was sent to fab :p
2018-08-28T18:15:09 < englishman> ideal
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2018-08-28T18:31:49 < bitmask> testes
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2018-08-28T18:40:21 < Thorn> will power do as reference ground if my traces on the bottom layer do not cross the edges of the power polygon?
2018-08-28T18:42:52 < Thorn> power is supposed to be = ground @ AC
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2018-08-28T19:02:41 < bitmask> englishman cambam is awesome, thanks
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2018-08-28T19:10:46 < bitmask> grr why isnt imgur working
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2018-08-28T19:28:50 < englishman> yeah it's a trick software
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2018-08-28T19:37:12 < Steffanx> CamBam for Linux can now also be run on a Raspberry Pi.\
2018-08-28T19:37:13 < Steffanx> yeah
2018-08-28T19:38:20 < Thorn> what s CamBam, is it a new cam site?
2018-08-28T19:39:03 < srk> cam on rpi xD
2018-08-28T19:39:08 < srk> glhf
2018-08-28T19:40:11 < Cracki> wham bam thank you ma'am...
2018-08-28T19:44:22 < Steffanx> Would you like that Thorn ?
2018-08-28T19:47:22 < bitmask> looks like I'm gonna have to add gcode to my plotter
2018-08-28T19:47:34 < bitmask> (its very difficult, I know)
2018-08-28T19:47:41 < Cracki> just steal some code
2018-08-28T19:48:10 < Cracki> aren't there plenty of projects that interpret gcode and move a cartesian thingy?
2018-08-28T19:48:11 < bitmask> I was joking, its so easy
2018-08-28T19:48:28 < bitmask> I am using my own code because I enjoy doing it
2018-08-28T19:48:46 < bitmask> I know thats impossible to imagine
2018-08-28T19:48:53 < Steffanx> Yes, school is done sir
2018-08-28T19:49:10 < bitmask> yes sir, time to work on projects
2018-08-28T19:49:41 < Cracki> TIL: you get banned from twitter when you reply "I" to someone saying "N"... now I know what "The Knights Who Say Ni" is all about
2018-08-28T19:51:39 < Steffanx> ok
2018-08-28T20:00:09 < zyp> Thorn, assuming you have no power noise
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2018-08-28T20:36:21 < Steffanx> should it be?
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2018-08-28T21:02:29 < Rickta59> are the stm32 in general underspeced? I'm playing with a stm32f051 and it seems happy to run at 64MHz
2018-08-28T21:02:48 < Rickta59> DS says 48MHz max
2018-08-28T21:04:22 < Thorn> I've been running lpc824 at 2x max freq until I noticed random lockups on startup and started investingating
2018-08-28T21:09:02 < Rickta59> was that after a period of time? or right off the bat?
2018-08-28T21:11:23 < Thorn> I think the lockups didn't start immediately
2018-08-28T21:11:35 < Thorn> I was soldering chips one by one and writing code for them
2018-08-28T21:11:49 < Thorn> can't remember exactly though
2018-08-28T21:12:17 < Thorn> chips = spi/i2c sensors, rs-485 etc.
2018-08-28T21:13:30 < Rickta59> i mean i'm fine with with 48MHz .. if it can run at 125% without issues that makes me feel happy and I don't feel like the are trying to sell barely working chips
2018-08-28T21:13:57 < Rickta59> with the stm32f103 i tried them at 96 and that seemed fine also
2018-08-28T21:14:26 < Rickta59> with the msp430 .. some of them barely work above the 16MHz on the datasheet
2018-08-28T21:15:38 < Rickta59> like a 10% overclock if you are lucky
2018-08-28T21:28:53 < Rickta59> i've been stalking here for years :)
2018-08-28T21:29:22 < Rickta59> right
2018-08-28T21:29:55 < Rickta59> i contributed mostly on the linux side and with the stellaris cortex stuff and some msp430 serial stuff
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2018-08-28T21:33:35 < catphish> hello ladies and gentlesirs
2018-08-28T21:39:20 < catphish> later this week i shall find out whether i can successfully reflow a board using a hot plate, an aluminium sheet, and an IR thermometer
2018-08-28T21:40:05 < catphish> youtube videos make it look incredibly simple
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2018-08-28T21:58:01 < catphish> i really hope the distributor are helpful in getting me some timecode receiver ICs too
2018-08-28T21:58:12 < catphish> will be a huge step backwards if they're a pain about it
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2018-08-28T22:12:45 < zyp> found some progress today: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/0yFzJ.jpg
2018-08-28T22:15:02 < PaulFertser> tm32
2018-08-28T22:15:02 < PaulFertser> 21:33 < catphish> hello ladies and gentlesirs
2018-08-28T22:15:02 < PaulFertser> 21:36 < superbia> good evening Sir
2018-08-28T22:15:02 < PaulFertser> 21:39 < catphish> later this week i shall find out whether i can successfully reflow a board using a hot plate, an aluminium 
2018-08-28T22:15:06 < PaulFertser>                   sheet, and an IR thermometer
2018-08-28T22:15:08 < PaulFertser> 21:40 < catphish> youtube videos make it look incredibly simple
2018-08-28T22:15:11 < PaulFertser> 21:43 < superbia> good luck m8
2018-08-28T22:15:12 < Steffanx> ty PaulFertser  :P
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2018-08-28T22:15:22 < PaulFertser> 21:58 < catphish> i really hope the distributor are helpful in getting me some timecode receiver ICs too
2018-08-28T22:15:25 < PaulFertser> 21:58 < catphish> will be a huge step backwards if they're a pain about it
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2018-08-28T22:15:34 < PaulFertser> 22:12 < zyp> found some progress today: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/0yFzJ.jpg
2018-08-28T22:15:36 < PaulFertser> Oh my god sorry, wrong touchpad event
2018-08-28T22:15:39 < Steffanx> Whats up with these people pasting the wrong stuff lately.?
2018-08-28T22:16:50 < Steffanx> Hah i like how they use the stuff they find in the environment as tools zyp  :D
2018-08-28T22:19:10 < catphish> PaulFertser: lol
2018-08-28T22:20:22 < catphish> zyp: final concrete floor down? and what's that frame? is that permanent?
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2018-08-28T22:22:28 < Steffanx> makes me wonder what frame catphish  is referring to
2018-08-28T22:22:59 < catphish> Steffanx: the motherfucking scaffold, what the fuck frame do you think?
2018-08-28T22:23:11 < catphish> *i mean the scaffold in zyp's photo
2018-08-28T22:23:35 < Steffanx> Welcome catphish . How was your day?
2018-08-28T22:23:39 < catphish> it may have got lost in PaulFertser's epic paste
2018-08-28T22:23:48 < englishman> cool zyp 
2018-08-28T22:23:49 < catphish> Steffanx: actually very nice thank you :)
2018-08-28T22:23:57 < englishman> no basement?
2018-08-28T22:24:12 < catphish> basements aren't common in europe afaik
2018-08-28T22:24:27 < Steffanx> I know, but i was wondering what you were referring to, because i didnt see any frame i could imagine being permanent catphish  :P
2018-08-28T22:24:30 < englishman> really
2018-08-28T22:24:33 < Steffanx> Really.
2018-08-28T22:24:37 < englishman> where do you store your illegitimate daughter-wives
2018-08-28T22:24:50 < catphish> Steffanx: yeah, i think maybe it's just a scaffold for workers to stand on, but wasn't sure
2018-08-28T22:24:57 < Steffanx> We dig special basement for that in the backyard englishman
2018-08-28T22:25:01 < Steffanx> *a special basement
2018-08-28T22:25:11 < Steffanx> *bunker
2018-08-28T22:25:12 < Steffanx> whatever
2018-08-28T22:25:13 < catphish> englishman: we just keep them on the open and claim they're cousins or something
2018-08-28T22:25:17 < Steffanx> or that
2018-08-28T22:25:29 < Steffanx> How did the crt  wake up?
2018-08-28T22:25:29 < catphish> crt: what's that?
2018-08-28T22:25:50 < Steffanx> How big is your basement englishman ?
2018-08-28T22:26:04 < englishman> as big as the house
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2018-08-28T22:26:16 < Steffanx> Height if 2m?
2018-08-28T22:26:22 < Steffanx> *of
2018-08-28T22:26:23 < Steffanx> damnit
2018-08-28T22:26:33 < englishman> no its ~180 years old and made for short ass frenchies
2018-08-28T22:27:14 < englishman> so clearance to the beams is like 130cm
2018-08-28T22:27:18 < englishman> maybe not that bad
2018-08-28T22:28:16 < englishman> basement cat https://i.imgur.com/agGoDxo.jpg
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2018-08-28T22:33:25 < catphish> englishman: that's another attraction to me of canada, big basement games room
2018-08-28T22:33:53 < catphish> nice kitty
2018-08-28T22:52:45 < zyp> catphish, scaffold's for when they do the assembly, I figure
2018-08-28T22:53:04 < zyp> and roof tiles
2018-08-28T22:53:22 < zyp> probably easier to get it behind the house before the house arrives rather than carry it around
2018-08-28T22:54:56 < zyp> also, basements aren't uncommon, but probably getting more so
2018-08-28T22:55:58 < catphish> zyp: they're very rare here
2018-08-28T22:57:55 < zyp> building rules here now have fairly strict requirements for windows in habitable rooms, including how low on the wall they must be, so a basement in a flat plot will probably only be qualified for storage space
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2018-08-28T22:58:26 < zyp> which makes it not so useful
2018-08-28T22:58:58 < catphish> storage space is pretty useful
2018-08-28T22:59:09 < zyp> I mean, storage space is always good to have, but a storage room has less utility than a bedroom, and as such might not justify the cost
2018-08-28T22:59:29 < catphish> same with attic space here, only for storage, but super useful
2018-08-28T22:59:34 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10RNhMuWR2g this is what I listen at work
2018-08-28T22:59:47 < kakimir> when doing pcb layout and such
2018-08-28T23:00:11 < zyp> it's also nice to not have to worry about water ingress or shit like that
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2018-08-28T23:01:59 < zyp> half-basements are still common on slanted lots
2018-08-28T23:02:32 < zyp> allows for full sized windows on one side
2018-08-28T23:02:46 < zyp> apartment I live in now is one of those
2018-08-28T23:03:04 < zyp> hmm
2018-08-28T23:03:19 < zyp> actually, four out of the five apartments I've lived in has been like that
2018-08-28T23:05:15 < upgrdman> anyone else bored at work?  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/150kV.mp4
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2018-08-28T23:05:55 < zyp> had water ingress in one of them
2018-08-28T23:06:04 < zyp> lots of melting snow or something
2018-08-28T23:06:14 < zyp> got some nice water damage from that
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2018-08-28T23:14:55 < kakimir> what is loicence?
2018-08-28T23:16:36 < Steffanx> license kakimir
2018-08-28T23:17:19 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-28T23:17:34 < kakimir> I thought it was secret highlight for Laurenceb
2018-08-28T23:18:12 < kakimir> howe is Steffanx today?
2018-08-28T23:18:30 < Steffanx> i think Steffanx is ok today.
2018-08-28T23:18:31 < Steffanx> there?
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2018-08-28T23:18:52 < kakimir> here
2018-08-28T23:18:53 < Steffanx> Hoped for something more upgrdman  :P
2018-08-28T23:19:13 < upgrdman> ya sorry :/
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2018-08-28T23:20:01 < kakimir> what is that upgrdman 
2018-08-28T23:20:04 < kakimir> ?
2018-08-28T23:20:15 < upgrdman> it was legit work, so not as fun as dicking around. i really wanna take one of our 400kV multipliers and make a jacob's ladder... one of these days.
2018-08-28T23:20:32 < upgrdman> kakimir, arc testing in a tank of oil
2018-08-28T23:20:35 < upgrdman> 150kV
2018-08-28T23:20:47 < kakimir> you test that oil is good?
2018-08-28T23:20:53 < qyx> is that much
2018-08-28T23:20:56 < kakimir> transformer oil?
2018-08-28T23:21:29 < upgrdman> kakimir, we have a calibrated oil tester for that. this tank is for testing reliability of the electronics during arcing.
2018-08-28T23:21:47 < upgrdman> e.g. a shit design will let high voltages burn shit on the control board
2018-08-28T23:22:04 < upgrdman> qyx, no, 150kV is one of our smallest generators
2018-08-28T23:22:17 < upgrdman> kakimir, ya, transformer oil
2018-08-28T23:22:48 < kakimir> there is no electronics in that tank?
2018-08-28T23:22:56 < kakimir> just your balls
2018-08-28T23:23:29 < upgrdman> there are electronics in that tank
2018-08-28T23:23:37 < upgrdman> the multiplier and a filament transformer
2018-08-28T23:23:46 < upgrdman> but the rest are outside the tank
2018-08-28T23:24:46 < catphish> a basement with a glass front and underground back would be pretty cool
2018-08-28T23:24:55 < upgrdman> classic long beach  http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-long-beach-arrest-20180828-story.html
2018-08-28T23:25:17 < kakimir> catphish: even a basement would be cool
2018-08-28T23:25:23 < kakimir> I'm out of my natural habitat
2018-08-28T23:27:31 < kakimir> building underground is a great idea
2018-08-28T23:27:56 < kakimir> stabilized temperature
2018-08-28T23:28:50 < catphish> i want somewhere to build a games room and/or lab
2018-08-28T23:28:58 < catphish> actually mostly the lab
2018-08-28T23:29:09 < catphish> i have no friends to play games with
2018-08-28T23:29:09 < kakimir> I actually have a lab
2018-08-28T23:29:20 < catphish> i have an office, but it's a bit small
2018-08-28T23:29:34 < kakimir> lab is not where I currently live
2018-08-28T23:30:00 < catphish> well i have a huge office at work, but it's nowehere near where i live, and i prefer to do electronics at night
2018-08-28T23:30:37 < karlp> crt: eagle brd files were xml welllll before autodesk came along
2018-08-28T23:30:39 < catphish> my home office is crappy
2018-08-28T23:31:00 < kakimir> but when I was living where my lab was I couldn't afford to buy tools or continue projects anymore
2018-08-28T23:31:19 < kakimir> same thing now but I can do projects @ work
2018-08-28T23:32:47 < catphish> i could do projects at my work office, but i prefer doing it outside of office hours, partly because it's not what brings in the money, partly because i'm married now so i like to be home on time :)
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2018-08-28T23:35:02 < kakimir> I don't understand
2018-08-28T23:35:14 < kakimir> you like to do projects outside office hours
2018-08-28T23:35:22 < kakimir> but you want to go home soon
2018-08-28T23:35:23 < karlp> not crt, but I awas apparently lost int he scrollback anyway.
2018-08-28T23:37:10 < kakimir> hey kicad is needing donations now
2018-08-28T23:37:15 < kakimir> kicad users
2018-08-28T23:37:51 < kakimir> https://givetokicad.web.cern.ch/
2018-08-28T23:37:56 < karlp> not much. tried using tiva-c.
2018-08-28T23:38:02 < karlp> got angry with it and put it away
2018-08-28T23:38:29 < englishman> Raised CHF 46936 of CHF 30000
2018-08-28T23:38:33 < englishman> it seems they do not need donations
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2018-08-28T23:41:48 < kakimir> englishman: I gave them money anyway
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2018-08-28T23:42:59 < Thorn> how do I a 2315MHz LO
2018-08-28T23:43:21 < kakimir> seriously 30CHF to kicad from my debit card
2018-08-28T23:43:46 < kakimir> I love to have someone paid to fuck with kicad
2018-08-28T23:46:52 < kakimir> no
2018-08-28T23:46:55 < Steffanx> can altium become an kicad clone?
2018-08-28T23:46:59 < Steffanx> -n
2018-08-28T23:47:01 < Steffanx> lol
2018-08-28T23:47:10 < kakimir> hmm
2018-08-28T23:47:14 < kakimir> nah
2018-08-28T23:51:03 < kakimir> dowloading latest kicads now
2018-08-28T23:52:09 < kakimir> nigthtly ofx
2018-08-28T23:52:11 < kakimir> ofc
2018-08-28T23:52:50 < Steffanx> stable, lol.
2018-08-28T23:52:51 < Steffanx> ?
2018-08-28T23:53:32 < kakimir> there is no "stable"
2018-08-28T23:53:35 < kakimir> in kicad world
2018-08-28T23:54:22 < kakimir> I apply swiss cheese theory when working with kicad
2018-08-28T23:54:46 < kakimir> *swiss cheese model
2018-08-28T23:55:15 < kakimir> every new nightly downloaded is a new layer on that model
2018-08-28T23:55:59 < kakimir> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Swiss_cheese_model_of_accident_causation.png
2018-08-28T23:56:21 < kakimir> if you don't know swiss cheese model - eduncate yourself
2018-08-28T23:58:47 < kakimir> that is why air travel is so safe
2018-08-28T23:59:21 < Steffanx> Lies.
2018-08-28T23:59:31 < Steffanx> Dont to right the wrong kakimir 
2018-08-28T23:59:37 < Steffanx> Try to*
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2018-08-29T00:07:04 < qyx> which connectors do you usually use for wire-to-board purposes if the board is enclosed in a box with eg. panel mounted connectors?
2018-08-29T00:08:05 < kakimir> standard pin rows
2018-08-29T00:08:52 < kakimir> wait I forgot my own joke
2018-08-29T00:08:55 < kakimir> SMAs
2018-08-29T00:09:12 < qyx> I was about to ask
2018-08-29T00:09:38 < kakimir> qyx: it depends on signal and your panel mount connector types
2018-08-29T00:10:30 < qyx> discrete wires, common io <=24V
2018-08-29T00:11:23 < kakimir> Steffanx: http://asj.nolan-law.com/wp-content/themes/flashnews/images/stories/graphs_0004.gif
2018-08-29T00:11:48 < kakimir> qyx: no high currents?
2018-08-29T00:12:12 < qyx> low, 1A lets say
2018-08-29T00:12:29 < zyp> qyx, lots to choose from
2018-08-29T00:12:42 < kakimir> you want 1 panel connector to many seperate connectors on board?
2018-08-29T00:12:46 < zyp> e.g. whatever JST series fits your application
2018-08-29T00:12:46 < qyx> pin headers shouild do but they lsck locking
2018-08-29T00:13:06 < kakimir> qyx: what zyp said
2018-08-29T00:13:14 < zyp> I'd probably look at SH or XH
2018-08-29T00:13:15 < qyx> ok, jst you say
2018-08-29T00:13:26 < kakimir> I have SH and XH too
2018-08-29T00:13:29 < qyx> I used PA
2018-08-29T00:13:37 < qyx> and then molex microfit
2018-08-29T00:14:18 < kakimir> molex microblade
2018-08-29T00:15:13 < karlp> heaps and heaps from phoenix contaact too,
2018-08-29T00:15:18 < kakimir> I have some beefier JSTs too
2018-08-29T00:15:26 < catphish> qyx: i'd look at JST first
2018-08-29T00:15:42 < kakimir> how about those green connectors that have plug part and socket part
2018-08-29T00:15:52 < kakimir> phoenix something
2018-08-29T00:15:58 < qyx> karlp: do you mean terminals?
2018-08-29T00:16:08 < kakimir> you can get ebay cheap crappy clones too
2018-08-29T00:16:10 < qyx> cage clamp or screw?
2018-08-29T00:16:16 < karlp> allllll of them.
2018-08-29T00:16:19 < Thorn> are there any 2.4GHz i/q mixers?
2018-08-29T00:16:33 < zyp> no, there's no 2.4GHz i/q mixers.
2018-08-29T00:16:37 < catphish> JST XH are nice, or something smaller
2018-08-29T00:16:40 < karlp> seriously, phoenix connector book is like 5cm or more thick.
2018-08-29T00:16:49 < Thorn> why :/
2018-08-29T00:17:11 < qyx> yep I have seen that book
2018-08-29T00:17:14 < kakimir> crt: powerpole
2018-08-29T00:17:17 < zyp> Thorn, I mean, I assume there is
2018-08-29T00:17:28 < kakimir> with locking piece
2018-08-29T00:17:39 < Thorn> not here anyway http://www.analog.com/en/products/rf-microwave/mixers/iq-and-image-reject-mixers.html
2018-08-29T00:18:01 < catphish> afaik my SDR can mix 2.4GHz, so something exists
2018-08-29T00:18:29 < kakimir> crt true
2018-08-29T00:18:32 < Thorn> (and they're fkn expensive too)
2018-08-29T00:18:45 < zyp> isn't every analog chip expensive?
2018-08-29T00:19:02 < qyx> ok, thank you all for your connector doodle contributions
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2018-08-29T00:19:42 < Steffanx> Only when you go full autism crt
2018-08-29T00:21:19 < zyp> what's your realname?
2018-08-29T00:21:26 < catphish> mr king
2018-08-29T00:29:23 < Steffanx> I know crt by stvn and cpctr
2018-08-29T00:31:16 < Steffanx> Registered : Aug 26 02:00:52 2018 (2d 19h 30m 6s ago)
2018-08-29T00:32:11 < Steffanx> You didnt add them to a single group?
2018-08-29T00:32:39 < Steffanx> One group, multiple nicks
2018-08-29T00:32:43 < Steffanx> One password
2018-08-29T00:33:23 < Steffanx> Uh what?
2018-08-29T00:33:51 < englishman> http://www.evseupgrade.com/?mnl
2018-08-29T00:34:00 < englishman> so this guy sticks 240v plugs on 120v equipment
2018-08-29T00:34:11 < englishman> charges $250
2018-08-29T00:34:25 < englishman> brand new full featured evse are $160
2018-08-29T00:34:29 < englishman> that are actually 240v rated
2018-08-29T00:35:42 < kakimir> pretty cheap if he also installs 240v outlet
2018-08-29T00:35:50 < englishman> how could he do that
2018-08-29T00:35:52 < kakimir> and is qualified electrician
2018-08-29T00:35:53 < englishman> not like he comes to your house
2018-08-29T00:35:57 < kakimir> oh
2018-08-29T00:36:00 < englishman> you mail your shit in
2018-08-29T00:36:23 < kakimir> well
2018-08-29T00:36:23 < englishman> he slaps a 240v nema on it and disables the gfci
2018-08-29T00:36:31 < kakimir> gfci?
2018-08-29T00:36:39 < englishman> ground fault detector
2018-08-29T00:36:57 < catphish> why would you disable the ground fault protection?
2018-08-29T00:36:59 < kakimir> why would you need to do that
2018-08-29T00:37:12 < englishman> idk maybe it doesnt work on 240v
2018-08-29T00:37:50 < catphish> here it's mandatory on all circuits anyway
2018-08-29T00:37:53 < englishman> removes the temperature sensor from the outlet too
2018-08-29T00:38:02 < catphish> well that's insane
2018-08-29T00:38:03 < englishman> not here, only on outdoor and bathroom outlets
2018-08-29T00:38:18 < catphish> englishman: here it's just done in the distribution board
2018-08-29T00:38:35 < catphish> in most cases just one device covers the whole house
2018-08-29T00:38:48 < englishman> RCD in yurop
2018-08-29T00:38:55 < englishman> that makes way more sense
2018-08-29T00:39:40 < zyp> it's all RCBOs nowadays
2018-08-29T00:40:15 < englishman> i guess that is more correct
2018-08-29T00:40:17 < catphish> here it's usually an RCD in the panel, one or 2 covering all the other breakers
2018-08-29T00:40:20 < zyp> one RCD for the entire house is a poor solution, they are always too trigger-happy when you put the whole capacitive load of the entire house on it
2018-08-29T00:40:41 < catphish> i've never experienced a false positive
2018-08-29T00:40:52 < englishman> but you can install a gfci in bathrooms or outdoors that have a separate current breaker
2018-08-29T00:40:56 < englishman> the gfci outlets are super cheap
2018-08-29T00:41:05 < englishman> and they allow you to reset individual outlets
2018-08-29T00:41:20 < zyp> nah, RCBOs are the way to go
2018-08-29T00:41:22 < catphish> sometimes here outlets are used when it's impractical to replace a whole distribution board, but normally it's cheap to replace the board
2018-08-29T00:41:32 < englishman> anyway when connecting a car to mains i think a gfci would be handy
2018-08-29T00:41:49 < englishman> yeah old wiring is not even grounded
2018-08-29T00:41:57 < englishman> so gfci outlets are used instead
2018-08-29T00:41:59 < zyp> for EV outlets here, «type B» RCDs are required
2018-08-29T00:42:14 < zyp> i.e. with DC detection
2018-08-29T00:42:19 < zyp> they are fucking expensive
2018-08-29T00:42:24 < catphish> all house wiring here is grounded afaik (since forever), never seen wiring that wasn't
2018-08-29T00:42:43 < englishman> it's been a long time yeah
2018-08-29T00:42:46 < catphish> i've not looked at EV outlets
2018-08-29T00:42:59 < englishman> but, the house extension was added in 1912 here, it has ungrounded wiring
2018-08-29T00:43:38 < englishman> paper wire insulation too
2018-08-29T00:44:30 < englishman> still i find it amazing that people are paying to hack up their nice factory chargers at a price greater than a proper charger that's better anyway
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2018-08-29T00:45:26 < catphish> yeah that's weird
2018-08-29T00:46:00 < catphish> but everything is 240v here so it's simpler i guess
2018-08-29T01:11:04 < Steffanx> How much time did you spend in rehab crt?
2018-08-29T01:21:53 < kakimir> in other countries it's called a school
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2018-08-29T01:34:44 < kakimir> it's like what rehab is in your country - you send your children in there around age of 5-6
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2018-08-29T01:38:46 < kakimir> jeez, my stress eye 
2018-08-29T01:40:17 < kakimir> it's not happy
2018-08-29T01:41:21 < Steffanx> Wut?
2018-08-29T01:44:38 < Laurenceb__> <zyp> more people should show off their houses, I enjoyed that topic yesterday
2018-08-29T01:45:05 < Laurenceb__> ok then https://postimg.cc/image/6ovz3sa81/
2018-08-29T01:45:55 < Laurenceb__> le britbong house
2018-08-29T01:46:50 < kakimir> Steffanx: sterile infection
2018-08-29T01:47:21 < kakimir> autoimmune system does some fuck ups when there is excess periods of stress
2018-08-29T01:47:50 < kakimir> currently it's just warning me
2018-08-29T01:49:29 < Cracki> just immune system. auto- shows up when it attacks itself.
2018-08-29T01:50:08 < kakimir> oh
2018-08-29T01:50:23 < Cracki> Ni!
2018-08-29T01:50:26 < kakimir> Cracki: thanks for eduncating me
2018-08-29T01:50:41 < Cracki> eduncation comes from dunce :S
2018-08-29T01:50:43 < Steffanx> He rectified it
2018-08-29T01:51:05 < Steffanx> Recitified*
2018-08-29T01:51:12 < Cracki> re-citrified
2018-08-29T01:52:04 < Cracki> btw, an incremental encoder can be used to pick up audio :P
2018-08-29T01:52:50 < Cracki> aww
2018-08-29T01:57:36 < srk> <3
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2018-08-29T03:37:19 < Laurenceb__> my orbital sides http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=5395
2018-08-29T03:37:33 < Laurenceb__> literal isis bomb guy gets trolled by shitposters
2018-08-29T03:37:44 < bitmask> I forgot how to program
2018-08-29T03:37:50 < Laurenceb__> full rage mode
2018-08-29T03:44:00 < Laurenceb__> when ur looking up explosives https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/PETN-synthesis.svg/650px-PETN-synthesis.svg.png
2018-08-29T03:44:29 < Laurenceb__> trolls everywhere
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2018-08-29T04:53:23 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/nvyoOZ1.png
2018-08-29T04:53:25 < bitmask> gettin closer
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2018-08-29T04:57:21 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/AVf8Hj0.png
2018-08-29T04:57:25 < bitmask> thats with pen width set 
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2018-08-29T08:02:10 < dongs> We are currently working on EngineerZone to bring you an improved user experience. We apologize for any inconvenience and ask that you please try back in an hour.
2018-08-29T08:02:13 < dongs> motherucker what
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2018-08-29T08:56:13 < dongs> lmao
2018-08-29T08:57:48 < dongs> fucking newbs
2018-08-29T08:57:52 < dongs> how god damn hard is it to run a forum
2018-08-29T08:58:00 < dongs> ST keeps changing their fucking shitty forum software every few months
2018-08-29T08:58:04 < dongs> and deletes al the threads
2018-08-29T08:58:06 < dongs> and al the google results etc
2018-08-29T08:58:24 < dongs> their shit is hard enough to use for retards as is, if they can't find halp via google they're 100% fucked
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2018-08-29T09:32:54 < Cracki> perhaps that's to keep the tards out
2018-08-29T09:33:26 < Cracki> stm32 is serious biz
2018-08-29T09:33:42 < Cracki> only firstworlders with triple digit IQ pls
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2018-08-29T09:49:39 < Steffanx> Clive wont survive..
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2018-08-29T10:44:57 < kakimir> who is clive
2018-08-29T10:56:31 < kakimir> clivedotcom
2018-08-29T11:14:14 < kakimir> pumpmax
2018-08-29T11:14:24 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qthHlLyvplg
2018-08-29T11:14:27 < kakimir> musics
2018-08-29T11:14:32 < kakimir> BOC
2018-08-29T11:16:46 < kakimir> time to violate all the keepout areas
2018-08-29T11:16:55 < kakimir> that is the way  
2018-08-29T11:16:58 < kakimir> I roll
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2018-08-29T11:21:18 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABQ8M35oJpU moremusic
2018-08-29T11:31:05 < Steffanx> How can you not know THE clive1 kakimir 
2018-08-29T11:31:12 < Steffanx> The one and only
2018-08-29T11:58:03 < kakimir> what does it mean when mouser says in MLCC "*Derate Voltage/Temp"
2018-08-29T11:58:16 < kakimir> they are selling even the shiets?
2018-08-29T11:58:54 < kakimir> even the fail bin of pass fail tests are sold at the moment?
2018-08-29T12:11:24 < Cracki> no
2018-08-29T12:11:52 < Cracki> it means if you torture the part, its characteristics suffer either during the exceeded limit, or permanently
2018-08-29T12:12:15 < Cracki> why don't you share more than three words?
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2018-08-29T12:14:25 < Cracki> hm, check data sheet
2018-08-29T12:16:41 < Cracki> I'm browsing a random data shit now...
2018-08-29T12:16:52 < Cracki> it does explain what "derated" means when the component is sold as such
2018-08-29T12:17:10 < Cracki> but this implies carefully reading the rating charts...
2018-08-29T12:18:07 < Cracki> https://www.mouser.de/datasheet/2/281/ZRB18AR60J476ME01-01-1065054.pdf
2018-08-29T12:18:11 < Cracki> random shit
2018-08-29T12:20:22 < Cracki> seems "derated" means you can run the part at up to specified temperature, but near it, you can't run it up to normal voltage or such
2018-08-29T12:22:19 < Cracki> derated/standard: tested at less than *or* _at_ 150% specified voltage
2018-08-29T12:30:13 < zyp> just reduce the ambient temperature enough
2018-08-29T12:30:46 < jpa-> it's a good question though why mouser puts that "derate" in description but digikey doesn't for the same part
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2018-08-29T12:59:37 < Sagiftw> Hi!
2018-08-29T12:59:53 < Sagiftw> How can I perform some big computation in the background?
2018-08-29T13:00:28 < Sagiftw> I also have UI and don't want it to stuck while computing.
2018-08-29T13:02:00 < zyp> there's different methods, but they all boil down into breaking work down into small chunks in some way or another so you can run UI processing in between chunks of the computation
2018-08-29T13:02:33 < Sagiftw> zyp: What do you recommend?
2018-08-29T13:03:24 < zyp> depends what you have so far and what your computation consists of
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2018-08-29T13:05:10 < veverak> Sagiftw: you can do literally what zyp said
2018-08-29T13:06:03 < veverak> Sagiftw: or, that is what I do, for each task that has to be done, I have 'tickX' method for that, and than I do something like "for(;;){tickA(); tickB();}"
2018-08-29T13:06:13 < veverak> *function
2018-08-29T13:06:14 < zyp> you might wanna grab a RTOS kernel and run UI and computation in separate threads, that way it's transparent to each thread, since each just get paused when the other is executing
2018-08-29T13:06:54 < zyp> or you might do what veverak proposes, and have functions that only does a part of the computation each time it's called, so you can call the UI code in between
2018-08-29T13:07:10 < veverak> Sagiftw: tickX() functions are something that executes _one nonblocking and fast_ step of that task
2018-08-29T13:07:24 < Thorn> preemptive vs. cooperative multitasking
2018-08-29T13:07:32 < zyp> or you can take a third approach where the big computation runs in the main thread and the UI updating code is all interrupt triggered
2018-08-29T13:08:08 < zyp> they'll all achieve the same in a similar manner, but the code to achieve it is different, with different benefits and pitfalls
2018-08-29T13:08:21  * veverak got experience with using freertos directly / using tickX() functions, the tick functions are winning
2018-08-29T13:08:54 < zyp> veverak, depends what you're doing
2018-08-29T13:09:25 < zyp> for some applications, multithreading is the most convenient, for other applications, explicit interleaved polling is easier
2018-08-29T13:10:09 < veverak> tick functions cons: it can be tricky to design all processes in this manner pros: by my experience it's less problems, easier to debug and more predictable  + less boilerplate code
2018-08-29T13:10:16 < veverak> I suppose it's just balancing those aspects
2018-08-29T13:10:18 < veverak> zyp: yup
2018-08-29T13:10:23 < zyp> in this case I'd say it depends on the structure of your UI code and the computation to be performed
2018-08-29T13:10:51 < veverak> but we have this freertos based system, and I feel like 1/2 of the code is just for making the freertos threads work
2018-08-29T13:11:33 < veverak> then I have my separate system that has explicit interleaving (hmm, got proper term :) ), and entire asynchronous behavior is just few lines of code ... 
2018-08-29T13:12:19 < veverak> but that separate system just pushes data from one com. bus, to another 4 buses
2018-08-29T13:12:44 < zyp> yeah, I tend to go that way too for simple stuff
2018-08-29T13:12:44 < Sagiftw> Are you implying that freertos adds too much overhead to the code?
2018-08-29T13:13:19 < zyp> I would rather say it raises the barrier to entry and maintenance burden
2018-08-29T13:13:50 < zyp> if you're using freertos, that's a third party dependency in your code that you need to maintain
2018-08-29T13:14:14 < zyp> and there's more work to get it going
2018-08-29T13:14:48 < zyp> and preemptive multithreading comes with a whole bunch of pitfalls that'll catch you if you're unaware
2018-08-29T13:15:29 < Thorn> and it eats all your ram and says "more!"
2018-08-29T13:16:15 < Sagiftw> Then I'll have to think how to split the computation to small steps, which isn't too easy
2018-08-29T13:16:39 < zyp> if it's not easy, it's probably worth giving freertos a go
2018-08-29T13:17:25 < zyp> I'm not saying don't use freertos, I'm saying only use freertos if it's the right tool for the job, which it very well might be
2018-08-29T13:18:15 < Sagiftw> zyp: I'll try both approaches. Thanks a lot! :)
2018-08-29T13:18:27 < Sagiftw> veverak: Thank you too!
2018-08-29T13:18:42 < zyp> np
2018-08-29T13:19:00 < veverak> Sagiftw: I am saying that freertos adds an overhead to the code, that is not negligible, it's just question: is it worth it?
2018-08-29T13:19:08 < zyp> I'd like to hear later what experiences you make and what you end up with
2018-08-29T13:19:43 < zyp> veverak, nah, freertos isn't really that heavy resource/performance wise
2018-08-29T13:20:19 < veverak> zyp: "overhead to the code" as amount of code you have to write and stuff you have to solve/think about :)
2018-08-29T13:20:36 < jpa-> main overhead of any RTOS is the context switches and the thread stack memory; freertos doesn't waste any extra in either, but of course both of them are much larger than they would be in single thread system
2018-08-29T13:21:29 < zyp> jpa-, depends how you count
2018-08-29T13:22:18 < zyp> saving a bunch of state to .data/.bss or heap and returning isn't really any cheaper than pushing regs on stack, switching stacks and popping
2018-08-29T13:24:11 < Thorn> the problem with stacks is you can't exactly predict how much sram they will take so you have to allocate extra
2018-08-29T13:24:49 < Thorn> can't grow stacks  dynamically on a system without virtual memory
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2018-08-29T13:29:29 < Sagiftw> I'll update
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2018-08-29T13:38:00 < zyp> Thorn, depends on the code, I did some experiments on static analysis of thread stack size some years ago
2018-08-29T13:39:47 < zyp> most functions have a fixed stack frame size, so it's mainly a matter of finding the call graph so you can sum up the deepest path
2018-08-29T13:42:10 < zyp> the hardest problem I met were indirect calls, you need to do a much more thorough static analysis to track which functions an indirect call can lead to
2018-08-29T13:42:43 < zyp> indirect calls include C++ virtual functions, since they go through the vtable
2018-08-29T13:43:03 < zyp> but still, it shouldn't be impossible
2018-08-29T13:44:42 < zyp> recursive functions and functions with dynamic frame sizes (i.e. with variable sized stack arrays) would also complicate it, but I figure that could be solved by adding explicit limits for the static analyzer to consider
2018-08-29T13:51:47 < jpa-> typically though if you go with the alternative of main loop explicitly sequencing events, you don't have as much state to save as when the context switch occurs randomly
2018-08-29T13:53:33 < zyp> depends how much temporary state you have compared to persistent state
2018-08-29T13:53:56 < jpa-> yeah :P
2018-08-29T13:54:00 < jpa-> everything depends
2018-08-29T13:55:54 < zyp> here's some fun old pics from when I were messing around with stack and call graph analysis: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/j4TBZ.png https://bin.jvnv.net/file/HsiRv.png
2018-08-29T13:56:13 < zyp> generated from same code, built with and without optimizations respectively
2018-08-29T13:56:30 < zyp> third line is frame size
2018-08-29T13:59:48 < zyp> threadmain() would need 56B of stack for the deepest point in the call graph, plus whatever is required for storing context
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2018-08-29T14:00:27 < zyp> in the optimized case
2018-08-29T14:00:52 < zyp> and 68B in the unoptimized case
2018-08-29T14:03:37 < jadew> http://lookdavip.tgcom24.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Nicole-Kidman-Sag-Awards-2018-abito-Armani-5.jpg
2018-08-29T14:03:40 < zyp> main stack needs 136B plus context and interrupt stack needs 8B
2018-08-29T14:04:42 < jadew> is goolge images broken for anyone else?
2018-08-29T14:04:49 < zyp> so in this case I've predicted exactly how much stack is required
2018-08-29T14:08:00 < Thorn> this kind of diagrams is useful even if the software doesn't calculate anything automatically
2018-08-29T14:08:53 < jadew> zyp, that's nice, what did you generate those diagrams with?
2018-08-29T14:10:29 < zyp> I had gcc spit out extra data that I extracted information from and fed to graphviz
2018-08-29T14:12:22 < zyp> gcc already can output a list of function frame sizes, and then I used data from the intermediate code representations to build the call graph
2018-08-29T14:12:48 < zyp> Thorn, yeah, even if the graph doesn't know where the indirect calls go, I do
2018-08-29T14:13:22 < zyp> the two indirect calls in entry() are initializers and deinitializers,
2018-08-29T14:13:44 < zyp> and IRQ33 calls I2C::irq_er()
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2018-08-29T15:12:11 < karlp> anyone used freertos recently? are you using the freertos itself bit, or the amazone freertos version?
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2018-08-29T15:20:46 < zyp> I'm using v9.0.0 for workstuff
2018-08-29T15:20:50 < zyp> whatever that is
2018-08-29T15:21:27 < karlp> looks like you get mbedtls and a bunch of other libs included if you get the aws version.
2018-08-29T15:21:35 < karlp> but the on from sourceforge is still just the kernel itself.
2018-08-29T15:21:45 < zyp> not relevant for workstuff
2018-08-29T15:21:58 < karlp> like you get all of this https://github.com/aws/amazon-freertos/tree/master/lib
2018-08-29T15:22:41 < zyp> long term we might be porting to safertos anyway, just using freertos to make stuff work first
2018-08-29T15:22:42 < karlp> I hope they aren't diverging, and the freertos and freertos+tcp portions are the same.
2018-08-29T15:23:05 < karlp> are there any actual changes in safertos, or is it just that it got qualified, so you cna pay for it?
2018-08-29T15:23:42 < zyp> there's some api changes, but they seem minor
2018-08-29T15:24:14 < zyp> anything unsafe is dropped and functions have more return codes IIRC
2018-08-29T15:24:25 < zyp> unsafe/nondeterministic
2018-08-29T15:26:12 < zyp> I don't worry too much about that now, there's enough other stuff to get working before we have a finished product
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2018-08-29T15:58:54 < c10ud> does anyone know of a multiplier DAC that can handle phase shift of the signal? (e.g. multiply by -1)
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2018-08-29T16:34:09 < englishman> There is however a potential soldering issue with the one of our design. In the layout, we have number of pad placements to solder 2 components in series. 
2018-08-29T16:34:10 < englishman>  
2018-08-29T16:34:10 < englishman> The problem is that the area we have in the design to connect 2 components is very limited, and we think it would be very hard for xxx to solder these components on the middle pad that has only 280 um length (each component has ~100 um of soldering space).
2018-08-29T16:34:12 < englishman> wtf
2018-08-29T16:34:16 < englishman> who designs this crap
2018-08-29T16:34:26 < englishman> they want to assembly 0201 flipchips loose in the bag
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2018-08-29T16:37:54 < zyp> what?
2018-08-29T16:38:44 < englishman> like, 0201 components ligned up in series, that share a common pad
2018-08-29T16:38:54 < englishman> but they are also flipchips parts that they supply loose in a bag
2018-08-29T16:39:06 < englishman> i smell inexperience
2018-08-29T16:39:19 < englishman> "does it change anything if we supply the parts on a reel?"
2018-08-29T16:39:25 < zyp> what are also flipchip?
2018-08-29T16:40:34 < englishman> instead of packaging an item in plastic and adding bonded leads etc, the wafer is just sealed and some solder added to the wafer pads
2018-08-29T16:40:37 < englishman> kind of like bga
2018-08-29T16:40:42 < englishman> or wlcsp
2018-08-29T16:40:57 < zyp> fair, it's just that your grammar made it sound like the 0201s were flipchips
2018-08-29T16:40:58 < englishman> as far as i know anyway. i havent touched the, yet
2018-08-29T16:41:00 < englishman> they are
2018-08-29T16:41:16 < zyp> what's a 0201 flipchip?
2018-08-29T16:41:26 < Thorn> diodes? or what
2018-08-29T16:41:39 < Thorn> (i assume there're only 2 pads)
2018-08-29T16:41:53 < englishman> https://www.vishay.com/docs/53014/ch.pdf
2018-08-29T16:41:57 < zyp> in my head, 0201 is one type of packaging, flipchip is another
2018-08-29T16:42:27 < englishman> certainly not common
2018-08-29T16:42:57 < zyp> huh, never seen the term used like that before
2018-08-29T16:43:05 < zyp> never seen resistors packed like that before either
2018-08-29T16:43:34 < catphish> morning
2018-08-29T16:44:31 < zyp> englishman, just make them buy you a siplace bulkfeeder and dump the bag in, it's probably able to deal with it :)
2018-08-29T16:46:03 < englishman> i will quote them $60k for 10 boards
2018-08-29T16:46:04 < englishman> done
2018-08-29T16:46:27 < Thorn> who sells these things in bags?
2018-08-29T16:46:31 < englishman> catphish would you buy this https://www.realtor.ca/Residential/Single-Family/19829676/1086-Ch-de-la-ColonieLac-Roberge-Saint-Roch-de-M%C3%A9kinac-Quebec-G0X2E0
2018-08-29T16:46:34 < Thorn> they're like dust
2018-08-29T16:48:03 < catphish> englishman: might want a little more land, but otherwise that's the kinda thing i want, also the french worries me
2018-08-29T16:48:25 < catphish> been avoiding looking at quebec because french
2018-08-29T16:49:23 < catphish> i are excited now, most of my prototype parts are here :0
2018-08-29T16:50:43 < zyp> englishman, cute, like that it fits a whole bus in the garage
2018-08-29T16:52:03 < zyp> do real estate listings over there not usually have layout drawings?
2018-08-29T16:52:20 < catphish> seemingly not
2018-08-29T17:02:56 < jadew> I think every postal service in romania is fucked
2018-08-29T17:03:52 < jadew> the regular post sent me a package straight home even tho they should have passed it through customs so I had to take it back, now they're asking for impossible shit
2018-08-29T17:04:12 < jadew> even tho it was their mistake and I helped them by doing that...
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2018-08-29T17:04:21 < zyp> haha
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2018-08-29T17:05:41 < jadew> also, they're asking for a fee that's larger than what I would have paid if I got the package through DHL or other similar courier
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2018-08-29T17:27:28 < englishman> catphish: good, i'm glad, it keeps the anglos out, that would be $1.8m in angloland
2018-08-29T17:32:43 < day> jadew: isnt it good if it didnt go through customs??
2018-08-29T17:33:32 < jadew> day, would be fine if it was for personal use, but since I bought those components with company money, it has to be registered in accounting
2018-08-29T17:34:03 < jadew> and since it's an import, it has to also have attached proof that the import taxes have been paid
2018-08-29T17:35:00 < jadew> had so many issues with courier companies this year that I'm considering not buying shit from china anymore
2018-08-29T17:35:55 < jadew> it's like the government is actively trying to impede businesses from doing their thing
2018-08-29T17:36:11 < day> ah
2018-08-29T17:36:38 < jadew> the problems are always with the customs
2018-08-29T17:36:47 < day> tell me about it...
2018-08-29T17:37:22 < day> im guessing thats why someone burned our customs office to the ground last december  :>
2018-08-29T17:37:28 < jadew> in this case, I also had to deal with the incompetence of the regular post workers, who fucked up and then they felt outraged that they had to fix it (I was there in person to give them the package back)
2018-08-29T17:38:11 < jadew> and I was left with a feeling that if I went to the customs directly, someone might have been fired
2018-08-29T17:38:24 < jadew> because they always used a lower voice when talking about the status of my package
2018-08-29T17:38:59 < jadew> once I picked up on that, I made sure to mention how they fucked up, in every e-mail I sent them "The package that you didn't pass through customs the first time"
2018-08-29T17:39:55 < day> no more mr nice guy :D
2018-08-29T17:40:40 < jadew> yeah, they made me take two trips there too (it's across town ~ 40 minutes trip)
2018-08-29T17:41:10 < jadew> at this point it would have costed me the same to just buy the components from europe
2018-08-29T17:41:25 < catphish> englishman: i'll happily stay in englishland
2018-08-29T17:41:39 < jadew> with taxes and fees it comes down to ~$300 USD
2018-08-29T17:41:50 < jadew> could have gotten them here for about 350
2018-08-29T17:48:20 < sync> that is a nice house englishman 
2018-08-29T17:49:19 < englishman> idk those chalets were all 120-150k a decade ago
2018-08-29T17:49:30 < englishman> small lot, middle of nowhere
2018-08-29T17:53:32 < sync> compared to yuropean house prices that is quite cheap tho
2018-08-29T17:53:40 < sync> 150k would be a steal
2018-08-29T17:54:41 < englishman> but it's not in yurop
2018-08-29T17:56:51 < sync> true
2018-08-29T17:56:58 < sync> and also basically just a woodshack
2018-08-29T17:59:15 < zyp> supply and demand, must be some reason people don't want to live there :p
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2018-08-29T18:08:49 < englishman> zyp, the bus that goes in the garage is the typical motorhome that the elderly and diabetic all have
2018-08-29T18:09:09 < zyp> sure, but it's still the size of a bus and it fits in the garage
2018-08-29T18:09:19 < jadew> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/keysight-3000t-scope-1-ghz-hardware-upgrade-mod/
2018-08-29T18:09:32 < englishman> well you can't leave it outside, it'll get dirty
2018-08-29T18:10:23 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/ddjghKh.jpg as seen on the roads of north america for the summer season
2018-08-29T18:10:24 < jadew> "#3 - The mod requires installing/replacing/removing 168 components, the smallest being 0402 in size. "
2018-08-29T18:10:51 < sync> lel
2018-08-29T18:11:23 < englishman> cool
2018-08-29T18:11:40 < zyp> doesn't sound all that bad
2018-08-29T18:11:57 < zyp> I've hand assembled boards with 0402 parts
2018-08-29T18:12:06 < zyp> I mean, hand picked and reflowed
2018-08-29T18:12:19 < zyp> and then reworked tombstones :p
2018-08-29T18:12:37 < jadew> looks like it might be worth it
2018-08-29T18:12:57 < jadew> he goes on and says it meets the specs from the datasheet
2018-08-29T18:14:33 < jadew> if you ruin the PCB, you'll have a different opinion
2018-08-29T18:15:15 < zyp> you should probably have some decent equipment and experience soldering small stuff before attempting it
2018-08-29T18:15:27 < catphish> zyp: how do you do your DIY reflow?
2018-08-29T18:15:47 < englishman> its a $6k scope already
2018-08-29T18:16:13 < catphish> i just ordered a hotplate, aluminium sheet, and a thermometer to try to do it by simply heating from below
2018-08-29T18:16:18 < zyp> catphish, I've got a T-962
2018-08-29T18:16:39 < zyp> well, now I have
2018-08-29T18:16:50 < englishman> catphish: get this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Soldering-Desoldering-Station-Digital-Display/dp/B01JLMZSS6
2018-08-29T18:16:52 < catphish> oh, interesting, i was tempted to buy one of those, but wasn't sure if it was worththe money
2018-08-29T18:16:57 < englishman> it will serve you for a long time
2018-08-29T18:16:59 < zyp> when I designed that board, I were in uni, so I used some old shitty reflow oven they have
2018-08-29T18:17:18 < catphish> well i'll try my hotplate method, if it sucks, i'll reconsider buying a T-962
2018-08-29T18:17:46 < zyp> I've done a couple of simple stuff with the hotplate method
2018-08-29T18:17:50 < zyp> worked well enough
2018-08-29T18:17:52 < englishman> so it turns a $6k scope into a $16k scope
2018-08-29T18:18:35 < catphish> i can't afford a $6k scope
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2018-08-29T18:18:57 < zyp> I did that the lazy way, had a traditional electric cooktop at the time, so I just put the board directly on the cooktop :p
2018-08-29T18:19:14 < kow_> englishman, this one is cheeper https://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-quality-110V-220V-Portable-BGA-Rework-Solder-Station-Hot-Air-Blower-Heat-Gun-8858/32777900499.html
2018-08-29T18:19:26 < englishman> of course
2018-08-29T18:19:31 < englishman> its 4 weeks away
2018-08-29T18:19:43 < catphish> zyp: that's pretty much what i'm doing, but ordered an alu sheet to go in between to make sure it's flat / better distributed
2018-08-29T18:19:56 < englishman> and has the wrong plug
2018-08-29T18:20:00 < catphish> does the T-962 work well?
2018-08-29T18:20:02 < zyp> catphish, probably a good idea
2018-08-29T18:20:06 < zyp> well enough
2018-08-29T18:20:15 < zyp> haven't tried it with nonleaded solder
2018-08-29T18:20:19 < kow_> they do epacket for a few bucks more which is 2 weeks :p
2018-08-29T18:20:51 < zyp> haven't used it for some years now though
2018-08-29T18:20:53 < englishman> if amazon doesnt suck in his area he could have it tomorrow
2018-08-29T18:21:14 < kow_> amazon is hitler
2018-08-29T18:21:16 < zyp> I've gotten too lazy to hand assemble boards, it's easier to just pay somebody to run it on a P&P :p
2018-08-29T18:21:35 < catphish> i realise this is super budget, but hopefully more practical than a soldering iron: https://i.imgur.com/IseGqRR.png
2018-08-29T18:21:36 < englishman> ^
2018-08-29T18:22:06 < catphish> zyp: i decided P&P was slightly too expensive for my first run, definitely worth it for 10+ though
2018-08-29T18:22:08 < kow_> I need to find someone with a P&P
2018-08-29T18:22:11 < englishman> just when i thought i would have the week free to do my taxes
2018-08-29T18:22:16 < englishman> 2 new dicknplace contracts
2018-08-29T18:22:47 < zyp> I wanna get a small P&P some time
2018-08-29T18:23:31 < englishman> idk, my thing is a piece of shit, i have several tens of k in it, and i cant imagine anything shittier actuall working for more than 1-2 boards
2018-08-29T18:23:55 < Lux> i'd go the extra way and get a quick hot air station instead of the t-962
2018-08-29T18:24:07 < Lux> still 200$ more, but worth it imo
2018-08-29T18:24:15 < zyp> reflow > hot air
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2018-08-29T18:24:26 < englishman> i agree
2018-08-29T18:24:35 < englishman> but for protos, meh
2018-08-29T18:24:39 < Lux> but not an option reworking stuff
2018-08-29T18:24:41 < englishman> plus its great to rework
2018-08-29T18:24:54 < kow_> if I wanted reflow I'd slap a $15 pid controller on a value village toaster oven
2018-08-29T18:25:14 < Lux> https://eleshop.eu/quick-861dw-hot-air-station.html
2018-08-29T18:25:16 < englishman> i believe jadew is still working on that one too, instead of buying controlleo for $150
2018-08-29T18:25:17 < zyp> T-962 is cheap, I bought it because I wanted a solution, not another project :p
2018-08-29T18:25:28 < kow_> boring
2018-08-29T18:25:35 < englishman> ^^^
2018-08-29T18:25:47 < englishman> thats why zyp is buying a brand new house
2018-08-29T18:25:53 < englishman> he gets shit done
2018-08-29T18:25:55 < Lux> imo the controlleo isn't that great
2018-08-29T18:26:01 < catphish> i decided even stove top reflow would work better than hot air with no board heating
2018-08-29T18:26:09 < Lux> i'd just get one of those chinese ovens and save time dicking around
2018-08-29T18:26:23 < englishman> it is better than having nothing except a used toaster oven
2018-08-29T18:26:34 < catphish> if i need to, i will buy a t-962
2018-08-29T18:26:47 < catphish> but i'm doing this on personal $
2018-08-29T18:26:51 < Lux> if you have a toaster oven that works then it's ok i guess
2018-08-29T18:27:20 < zyp> I don't think I wanna melt lead in an oven I'll also use for food
2018-08-29T18:27:21 < Lux> but if you follow the instructions you need an oven with top/bottom heating elements and waste like a day adding insulation
2018-08-29T18:28:13 < catphish> i just hope i was follow a reflow profile properly with a hot plate :)
2018-08-29T18:28:17 < Lux> plus if you do all that you also spend the same as just getting a chinese oven made for the task
2018-08-29T18:28:23 < englishman> >melting lead
2018-08-29T18:28:25 < englishman> what century is it
2018-08-29T18:28:39 < catphish> englishman: long live alchemy
2018-08-29T18:29:02 < zyp> englishman, maybe I'll try rohs solder paste next time I do reflow myself
2018-08-29T18:29:09 < zyp> not sure when that will be though :p
2018-08-29T18:29:35 < englishman> :)
2018-08-29T18:30:01 < zyp> still use leaded solder too
2018-08-29T18:30:20 < catphish> i see no reason to use rohs for diy
2018-08-29T18:30:34 < zyp> basically because I got a big spool some years ago from a company throwing it out because of rohs, and it's far from running out yet
2018-08-29T18:30:44 < zyp> and what catphish said
2018-08-29T18:30:55 < catphish> lead is much easier to melt
2018-08-29T18:31:49 < catphish> well hopefully my hotplate arrives tomorrow, and i'll see what happens :)
2018-08-29T18:32:02 < jadew> I came to the conclusion that you should always use rohs
2018-08-29T18:32:21 < jadew> I find that I mix home and work stuff a lot and keeping track of which is which is really annoying
2018-08-29T18:33:08 < catphish> well, for me it's a simple matter, if i'm doing bulk i'll pay for assembly and they'll do rohs
2018-08-29T18:33:21 < catphish> anything else is prototype and who cares
2018-08-29T18:33:38 < englishman> enjoy your poison
2018-08-29T18:33:59 < catphish> will do
2018-08-29T18:34:14 < catphish> better wear gloves for pasting
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2018-08-29T19:20:06 < Sadale> I wonder if anyone's looking for freelancer or a remote employee for (embedded) programming. I'm a jack of all trades when it comes to programming. Here's my site: https://sadale.net
2018-08-29T19:20:52 < jadew> "Warning, this website has been flagged because of malicious content."
2018-08-29T19:20:57 < Sadale> jadew, what?
2018-08-29T19:21:08 < Sadale> jadew, really? details please.
2018-08-29T19:21:12 < Sadale> The site could be hacked.
2018-08-29T19:22:37 < Sadale> jadew, you're kidding, aren't you? https://transparencyreport.google.com/safe-browsing/search?url=sadale.net
2018-08-29T19:22:56 < jadew> </trolling>
2018-08-29T19:23:03 < jadew> I guess I forgot to open that tag
2018-08-29T19:23:20 < Sadale> lol you scared me! xD
2018-08-29T19:23:24 < Sadale> jadew, I hate you now! <3
2018-08-29T19:23:25 < jadew> :)
2018-08-29T19:24:06 < jadew> what's your rate?
2018-08-29T19:25:05 < Sadale> As of today, it's $30/hour.
2018-08-29T19:30:07 < Thorn> moneyed westerners
2018-08-29T19:30:07 < Thorn> mine is probably $3 or something
2018-08-29T19:30:34 < Sadale> where are you in?
2018-08-29T19:31:09 < Sadale> I'm in Hong Kong. But I won't charge low for western employers. :P
2018-08-29T19:31:45 < Sadale> Thorn, are you in India or Philippines or somewhere in Africa?
2018-08-29T19:32:09 < jadew> Sadale, depends on how you look at it, if you go the other way, they're all eastern employers
2018-08-29T19:32:51 < Sadale> I see. I guess it really depends on how much a project is worth.
2018-08-29T19:33:23 < Sadale> If there's someone dumb paying a lot of money for a project, and if the hustler isn't a bad apple, the pay would be good for the employees.
2018-08-29T19:34:22 < Sadale> hmm. I wonder why the even pages of my LCD isn't working :/
2018-08-29T19:34:28 < Sadale> anyway, I'll save that for tomorrow ;3
2018-08-29T19:34:38 < catphish> Sadale: i'm western, do you want to work for me for free?
2018-08-29T19:34:40 < Sadale> Having a day job with hobby project is a torture.
2018-08-29T19:34:51 < Sadale> catphish, lol nope. =P
2018-08-29T19:35:23 < catphish> what about an exploitative rate, like $5/day, and i only pay if i like the work?
2018-08-29T19:35:34 < Sadale> catphish, lol nope
2018-08-29T19:35:42 < Sadale> catphish, In Hong Kong we can't live off with $5/hour.
2018-08-29T19:35:51 < catphish> well then you suck :)
2018-08-29T19:35:55 < Sadale> If it's $5/day it's definitely a no :P
2018-08-29T19:36:01 < Sadale> catphish, :'(
2018-08-29T19:36:18 < catphish> i are joke :)
2018-08-29T19:36:23 < Sadale> I know :'(
2018-08-29T19:36:25 < Sadale> :'''''(
2018-08-29T19:36:31 < Sadale> you made me cry :'(
2018-08-29T19:36:41 < catphish> is there much work in embedded programming?
2018-08-29T19:36:42 < jadew> can someone identify the source music video for these chicks? https://youtu.be/cCcdYVAMGI4?t=166
2018-08-29T19:36:54 < jadew> the ones in pink shorts and tops
2018-08-29T19:37:19 < catphish> jadew: it says in the description doesn't it?
2018-08-29T19:37:28 < jadew> catphish, no, it's a mix from different videos
2018-08-29T19:37:36 < Sadale> Probably not much work opportunities for embedded programming. I guess it's far less popular than webdev or appdev.
2018-08-29T19:37:37 < catphish> 5) Robin Thicke - "Blurred Lines" Parody by Rockets Power Dancers - BlurRED Lines (REDrated Version)
2018-08-29T19:37:40 < Sadale> Anyway gotta sleep.
2018-08-29T19:37:41 < Sadale> see you
2018-08-29T19:37:44 < catphish> cya :)
2018-08-29T19:37:48 < jadew> bye
2018-08-29T19:38:37 < catphish> jadew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVSO0NfzCtM
2018-08-29T19:38:58 < jadew> awesome
2018-08-29T19:38:59 < catphish> jadew: it's right there in the description
2018-08-29T19:39:01 < jadew> where did you find it?
2018-08-29T19:39:03 < jadew> really?
2018-08-29T19:39:13 < jadew> ah... super :D
2018-08-29T19:39:14 < jadew> thanks
2018-08-29T19:39:17 < catphish> :)
2018-08-29T19:39:18 < Thorn> ##softcore32
2018-08-29T19:39:25 < jadew> hah
2018-08-29T19:39:36 < jadew> they look like such good friends
2018-08-29T19:39:41 < jadew> I want to be part of that
2018-08-29T19:39:56 < catphish> lol
2018-08-29T19:41:13 < catphish> if i was that attractive, i'd be in music videos too
2018-08-29T19:41:55 < jadew> too bad it doesn't last
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2018-08-29T20:41:21 < aandrew> holy fuck
2018-08-29T20:41:27 < aandrew> I think I fixed my connetivity issue in altium
2018-08-29T20:41:30 < Steffanx> Welcome aandrew
2018-08-29T20:41:32 < aandrew> took an entire schematic sheet to do it
2018-08-29T20:41:34 < aandrew> but it's done
2018-08-29T20:48:42 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/a/JBuxs11
2018-08-29T20:48:45 < aandrew> that's how you do it
2018-08-29T20:49:26 < aandrew> put the diffpairs into a harness, then stuff the harnesses into a larger harness, then break out the bigger and diffpair harnesses and create busses so you can bring them to a REPEAT(..) sheet entry
2018-08-29T20:49:30 < aandrew> jesus fuck
2018-08-29T20:53:23 < Cracki> what does the "repeat" do?
2018-08-29T20:54:33 < Cracki> nvm, reading docs
2018-08-29T20:55:52 < Cracki> ah, you do multichannel stuff
2018-08-29T20:56:56 < aandrew> yeah
2018-08-29T20:57:01 < aandrew> there are 5 digitizer channels
2018-08-29T20:57:40 < Cracki> looks like a transpose, that stuff you have to do with harnesses and busses
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2018-08-29T21:03:44 < Cracki> interesting to see how someone uses these features
2018-08-29T21:05:30 < Cracki> altium 18 docs: Note that the index range must start at 1, starting at 0 (zero) is not supported.
2018-08-29T21:05:34 < Cracki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2018-08-29T21:06:08 < Cracki> seems to work with 0, if it works for you
2018-08-29T21:16:46 < aandrew> hm weird, yes it does seem to work at zero
2018-08-29T21:16:52 < aandrew> I'm using 17.1 though
2018-08-29T21:16:57 < aandrew> I doubt they broke it for 18
2018-08-29T21:16:58 < aandrew> weird
2018-08-29T21:21:56 < kakimir> hello sensuals
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2018-08-29T21:22:52 < aandrew> it'd be a lot nicer if I could group all those diffpair harnesses into a bus of harnesses
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2018-08-29T21:22:55 < aandrew> but whatever
2018-08-29T21:29:49 < kakimir> kebab
2018-08-29T21:32:09 < kakimir> *slurps*
2018-08-29T21:32:42 < kakimir> typical diet of european coders
2018-08-29T21:35:29 < kakimir> anyone done USB BC and PD stuff?
2018-08-29T21:35:44 < kakimir> battery charging and power delivery
2018-08-29T21:35:58 < kakimir> + usb3 connector
2018-08-29T21:36:01 < kakimir> ?
2018-08-29T21:38:26 < englishman> yes
2018-08-29T21:40:19 < kakimir> okay I have 4S battery with BMS and I want to make an accessory product
2018-08-29T21:40:32 < kakimir> dongle that connects into that battery
2018-08-29T21:40:49 < kakimir> and charges usb-c devices
2018-08-29T21:41:11 < kakimir> to say: macbooks
2018-08-29T21:41:47 < kakimir> also phones and whatnot
2018-08-29T21:42:16 < kakimir> extra: same connector can be used to charge the battery with usb-c wall adapter
2018-08-29T21:42:25 < kakimir> with that same dongle
2018-08-29T21:46:39 < englishman> surely china already sells this for $5
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2018-08-29T22:06:13 < aandrew> I have not
2018-08-29T22:08:58 < kakimir> what I said implies there is some switching regulators with decent amount of power englishman 
2018-08-29T22:10:06 < Steffanx> He tried to say shouldnt being what a dozen chinese already do kakimir . Like doing PCB assembly and stuff :P
2018-08-29T22:10:12 < Steffanx> *be doing
2018-08-29T22:20:14 < kakimir> but usb pd and bc + usb3 is not trivial stuff combined with regulator needed
2018-08-29T22:20:36 < kakimir> it's not your typical generic board
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2018-08-29T22:51:48 < kakimir> I will ask my chinaguy if he has been involved in such project earlier
2018-08-29T22:53:23 < kakimir> they have some usb-c stuffs but not such complexity
2018-08-29T22:53:40 < kakimir> basically "do everything in every direction"
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2018-08-29T22:55:11 < kakimir> I wonder if such function would even require buttons
2018-08-29T22:55:35 < kakimir> that changes battery from load to supply and vica versa
2018-08-29T22:59:05 < zyp> kakimir, what stuff?
2018-08-29T22:59:54 < kakimir> charging of the device from usb-c
2018-08-29T22:59:55 < zyp> I have an usb-c powerbank, it uses the same port for charging and discharging, it just works
2018-08-29T23:00:24 < kakimir> qualcomm QC3?
2018-08-29T23:00:24 < zyp> usb-c handshake takes care of getting the directions right
2018-08-29T23:00:47 < kakimir> does it charge macbook?
2018-08-29T23:01:04 < kakimir> and at what current?
2018-08-29T23:01:04 < zyp> no, it's not that big, but I've seen a couple of those also
2018-08-29T23:01:17 < zyp> anker has one, 10500 mAh
2018-08-29T23:01:36 < kakimir> should I buy one and do an autopsy?
2018-08-29T23:01:46 < zyp> https://www.anker.com/store/powercore-10050/A1311011
2018-08-29T23:01:56 < zyp> uh, wrong model
2018-08-29T23:03:02 < kakimir> I mean my battery pack gives 10A current without sweat
2018-08-29T23:03:19 < kakimir> 4S2P inside
2018-08-29T23:03:20 < zyp> dunno where it went, been a couple of years since I looked at it
2018-08-29T23:04:36 < zyp> anyway, usb-c is easy, when connecting you do a dance to establish who is source and who is sink
2018-08-29T23:04:55 < kakimir> oh it's a dance :)
2018-08-29T23:05:01 < kakimir> so how does it happen?
2018-08-29T23:05:09 < zyp> devices can be always-source, preferred-source, preferred-sink or always sink
2018-08-29T23:05:29 < kakimir> so
2018-08-29T23:05:49 < zyp> you either do a pullup or a pulldown on the CC line, pullup = source, pulldown = sink
2018-08-29T23:06:04 < kakimir> wall adapter - always source
2018-08-29T23:06:06 < zyp> dual role devices switch between pulling up and down when waiting for a connection
2018-08-29T23:06:18 < kakimir> powerbank - preferred source
2018-08-29T23:06:30 < kakimir> laptop and phone - preferred sink
2018-08-29T23:06:56 < zyp> naturally if you connect a DRD to a source, it will only detect a pullup on the sink when it's pulling down
2018-08-29T23:07:12 < kakimir> DRD?
2018-08-29T23:07:17 < zyp> dual role device
2018-08-29T23:07:48 < zyp> i.e. when the powerbank is pulling down and the wall adapter is pulling up, they will detect a successful connection and enter the respective roles
2018-08-29T23:08:13 < zyp> if you connect two DRDs, it's a bit random which is pulling up and which is pulling down when the connection is detected
2018-08-29T23:08:33 < zyp> preferred means it's spending more time pulling in that direction, so it's more likely to be detected as such
2018-08-29T23:08:54 < zyp> and then user can usually override it and set it to a given role
2018-08-29T23:09:19 < kakimir> pwm?
2018-08-29T23:09:24 < zyp> nah
2018-08-29T23:09:34 < zyp> lower speed than that
2018-08-29T23:09:46 < zyp> anyway, for a macbook you're entering PD mode later anyway
2018-08-29T23:10:01 < zyp> PD is negotiated over some digital protocol
2018-08-29T23:10:38 < kakimir> oh
2018-08-29T23:10:41 < zyp> not sure if source/sink needs to be negotiated correctly before PD will work, or if PD will just override it
2018-08-29T23:10:55 < kakimir> well
2018-08-29T23:11:29 < kakimir> there is additional levels of complexity compared to normal usb2.0 one direction device
2018-08-29T23:11:54 < zyp> you're not doing standard usb data communication though
2018-08-29T23:12:01 < zyp> so you just need something that can talk PD
2018-08-29T23:12:27 < kakimir> it doesn't talk via data lines?
2018-08-29T23:12:37 < kakimir> conf PD
2018-08-29T23:12:50 < zyp> no, usb-c PD happens over the digital protocol on the CC line
2018-08-29T23:13:08 < zyp> there's a digital protocol overlaid in addition to the pullups
2018-08-29T23:13:37 < zyp> there's also legacy PD that predates usb-c, does the PD comms over the vbus line
2018-08-29T23:13:50 < kakimir> interewsting
2018-08-29T23:13:51 < zyp> IIRC usb-c PD devices can choose either
2018-08-29T23:14:12 < zyp> but you need the CC line for cable verification anyway
2018-08-29T23:14:35 < zyp> high-current capable cables have a digital tag marking them as such
2018-08-29T23:14:56 < zyp> so the source is not only talking to the sink, but also to the cable
2018-08-29T23:15:06 < kakimir> it get's interesting when device also needs to be backwards compatible
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2018-08-29T23:17:09 < kakimir> whatever it means to have backwards compatible - to what
2018-08-29T23:24:19 < kakimir> so we get only to know how the dance it carried out
2018-08-29T23:24:33 < kakimir> then there is volts and amps
2018-08-29T23:33:49 < zyp> that's what PD negotiates
2018-08-29T23:34:20 < zyp> without PD, usb-c gives you up to 3A@5V
2018-08-29T23:38:44 < kakimir> oh
2018-08-29T23:38:49 < kakimir> nic
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2018-08-30T00:04:05 < Steffanx> Welcome
2018-08-30T00:10:47 < zyp> sup?
2018-08-30T00:11:19 < zyp> I dropped by my house again tonight, now I have a wall: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/gGIAM.jpg
2018-08-30T00:12:44 < catphish> zyp: nice wall
2018-08-30T00:13:01 < catphish> zyp: i'd say you have some room templates too
2018-08-30T00:13:31 < zyp> yeah, I walked around in it to get a feeling of the sizes of the rooms
2018-08-30T00:13:50 < zyp> feels promising
2018-08-30T00:17:15 < kow_> I was just taking apart a competitors product... https://i.imgur.com/q3mZarH.jpg
2018-08-30T00:17:27 < zyp> haha
2018-08-30T00:18:01 < zyp> is this some sort of camera stuff?
2018-08-30T00:18:14 < Steffanx> Heh
2018-08-30T00:18:14 < catphish> kow_: haha
2018-08-30T00:18:45 < zyp> this reminds me of something I worked on once
2018-08-30T00:19:21 < zyp> sensor on a separate board, with MIPI CSI or something running over to a processor board with a hole that the lens is poking through
2018-08-30T00:19:30 < zyp> this looks like it can be something similar
2018-08-30T00:21:30 < kow_> nah
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2018-08-30T00:58:13 < Laurenceb__> wtf reee
2018-08-30T00:58:26 < Laurenceb__> ppl are stealing muh horsey project
2018-08-30T00:58:54 < Laurenceb__> like wtf it wasn't even finished
2018-08-30T00:59:03 < Laurenceb__> some weird muricans are using it
2018-08-30T00:59:17 < Steffanx> I assume they stole the idea, not the code?
2018-08-30T00:59:34 < Laurenceb__> nope the whole thing
2018-08-30T00:59:58 < Laurenceb__> they seem to plan to use wifi modules and mqtt for the telemetry
2018-08-30T00:59:59 < Steffanx> I guess they didnt even look at it then
2018-08-30T01:00:00 < Laurenceb__> top kek
2018-08-30T01:00:44 < Laurenceb__> the amerimutt strikes
2018-08-30T01:08:06 < Laurenceb__> they look a bit failproject tier, inb4 they glue a rpi and wifi dongle to the side
2018-08-30T01:09:10 < Laurenceb__> INB4 DEY TRY 2 USE INFLUXDB
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2018-08-30T01:29:19 < Laurenceb__> Just like heterosexuality, pregnancy is a very stupid idea
2018-08-30T01:30:00 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/bgfne9g4x/
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2018-08-30T01:43:50 < kow_> r u a braincel
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2018-08-30T01:48:06 < catphish> well that's mildly insane, i do hate children though
2018-08-30T01:51:03 < Laurenceb__> >mildly
2018-08-30T02:05:31 < karlp> well, asterisk is _awesome_
2018-08-30T02:05:48 < karlp> can't stopt it, doesn't run, seems to just hog cpu and do nothing
2018-08-30T02:06:41 < karlp> can't even apt remove it anymore.
2018-08-30T02:14:17 < catphish> you're doing it wrong
2018-08-30T02:14:55 < karlp> obviosuly
2018-08-30T02:20:57 < catphish> :(
2018-08-30T02:21:28 < catphish> asterisk is probably a fairly steep learning curve, no idea why it would sit there hogging cpu though :(
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2018-08-30T02:27:12 < karlp> some problem in the default config it seems.
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2018-08-30T02:33:11 < karlp> moved all of it away, made the basic hello world config and it at least starts/stops gracefully 
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2018-08-30T02:40:37 < karlp> heh, it works
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2018-08-30T07:44:21 < dongs> fucking. opensores. retards.
2018-08-30T07:44:27 < dongs> apparently one export mode of kikecad or geda
2018-08-30T07:44:31 < dongs> is fucking adobe postscript
2018-08-30T07:44:40 < dongs> some shitfuck customer sends "gerber data" as fucking ps files
2018-08-30T07:44:51 < dongs> and not only are they ps files, they don't even open with acrobat so they're probably malfomed too
2018-08-30T07:44:55 < dongs> absolute fucking cancer
2018-08-30T07:45:02 < dongs> what shithead wasted time coding this trash to output PS
2018-08-30T07:45:07 < dongs> when LITERALLY FUCKING NOTHING WOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT
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2018-08-30T07:45:58 < jpa-> you're lucky it's not HP-GL
2018-08-30T07:46:25 < jpa-> that's in the same export dropdown menu as gerber and postscript
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2018-08-30T08:08:08 < Cracki> someone must have thought, "PDF is evil"
2018-08-30T08:09:09 < Cracki> afaik gerber contains metadata required for proper manufacture, not just the copper mask. I'd expect all that to be missing in a postscript file?
2018-08-30T08:09:18 < Cracki> (vias, ...)
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2018-08-30T08:18:54 < jpa-> no, gerber is a dumb format
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2018-08-30T09:08:54 < zyp> kakimir, just got some spam here, this relevant to you? https://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/steval-usbpd45c.html
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2018-08-30T09:16:02 < zyp> that STUSB1602 looks like exactly what you need
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2018-08-30T09:38:28 < dongs> jpa-: why the fuck does it export postscript at ALL
2018-08-30T09:38:34 < dongs> its 2018
2018-08-30T09:38:40 < dongs> not 1988
2018-08-30T09:38:53 < dongs> there hasnt been a singe printer natively reading postscript for at least a decade
2018-08-30T09:39:01 < dongs> not that it matters for PCB production since you don't print it
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2018-08-30T10:05:03 < Steffanx> Iirc it was "porn"
2018-08-30T10:05:18 < Steffanx> Damn you stvn
2018-08-30T10:31:17 < kakimir> crt: there is channel for ##stm32-gays
2018-08-30T10:33:12 < kakimir> no you
2018-08-30T10:33:29 < kakimir> I'm in #stm32-purehetero
2018-08-30T10:34:03 < kakimir> :)
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2018-08-30T11:18:20 < kakimir> I need to find manuf house for all the accessories we have and will have in future
2018-08-30T11:19:26 < kakimir> plastic enclosures, adapters, cables, custom connector molds, custom strain reliefs, pcb design, mechanical design, assembly
2018-08-30T11:19:59 < kakimir> anyone have such manuf to recommend?
2018-08-30T11:21:33 < kakimir> I do already a lot
2018-08-30T11:21:54 < kakimir> I need some house that can take care of trivial stuffs by themselfs
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2018-08-30T11:22:31 < kakimir> I know it doesn't work like that
2018-08-30T11:22:46 < kakimir> before thing has been well established
2018-08-30T11:23:09 < kakimir> and even still it takes iteration after iteration to make shiet work satisfyingly
2018-08-30T11:23:32 < kakimir> I know there is plenty of places
2018-08-30T11:23:40 < kakimir> how to even choose?
2018-08-30T11:24:02 < zyp> price?
2018-08-30T11:24:23 < kakimir> price is pretty high priority for consumer products
2018-08-30T11:28:57 < kakimir> that is normal for me
2018-08-30T11:29:09 < kakimir> I'm at works at 20PM too
2018-08-30T11:29:15 < kakimir> 8PM
2018-08-30T11:29:17 < kakimir> *
2018-08-30T11:29:43 < kakimir> let's standardize 24h clock to ##stm32
2018-08-30T11:30:03 < kakimir> crt: that is 18:28
2018-08-30T11:30:30 < kakimir> I was up at just a moment ago
2018-08-30T11:30:51 < kakimir> good good
2018-08-30T11:34:37 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisCkxU544c
2018-08-30T11:34:47 < kakimir> your life actually
2018-08-30T11:38:01 < kakimir> but yeah
2018-08-30T11:38:11 < kakimir> you have made a dream - reality
2018-08-30T11:41:00 < kakimir> do you swallow crt?
2018-08-30T11:46:04 < kakimir> yes crt
2018-08-30T11:46:28 < kakimir> I love the manwhore animation series
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2018-08-30T12:21:18 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/s58d2321t/
2018-08-30T12:23:26 < Laurenceb__> oh wow
2018-08-30T12:23:31 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/6vkqrhtjl/
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2018-08-30T12:35:55 < Laurenceb__> crt spotted irl https://postimg.cc/image/xvyjfthrl/
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2018-08-30T12:38:49 < Laurenceb__> kek this shit must take ages to make
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2018-08-30T12:41:15 < Laurenceb__> reading /ausneet/
2018-08-30T12:41:24 < Laurenceb__> its full of ppl liek u
2018-08-30T12:44:17 < Laurenceb__> cool story bro
2018-08-30T12:47:54 < Laurenceb__> keeek
2018-08-30T12:47:54 < day> owned by a slave :^)
2018-08-30T12:48:15 < Laurenceb__> crt: use an abandoned coal mine as a breeding colony
2018-08-30T12:48:52 < Laurenceb__> you just need an isolation chamber for the generation 1 imports
2018-08-30T12:49:13 < Laurenceb__> then a breeding and indoctrination chamber for the others
2018-08-30T12:50:23 < Laurenceb__> like Fritzl but better
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2018-08-30T14:40:28 < dongs> more like fritzing
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2018-08-30T14:51:19 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/rKIPn.jpg :D
2018-08-30T14:54:33 < englishman> goes up quick
2018-08-30T14:56:06 < zyp> yeah, they should have all the modules in place today
2018-08-30T14:58:22 < zyp> yes
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2018-08-30T15:09:56 < dongs> mtehrfucker
2018-08-30T15:10:12 < dongs> i rememer new altifuck fucked up option for cross-select to include nets
2018-08-30T15:10:14 < dongs> and i turned it off somewehre
2018-08-30T15:10:16 < dongs> and now i cant find it
2018-08-30T15:10:20 < Steffanx> Awh
2018-08-30T15:10:22 < zyp> haha
2018-08-30T15:10:40 < Steffanx> Cool cool zyp. 
2018-08-30T15:11:16 < zyp> :)
2018-08-30T15:11:18 < dongs> System -> Navigation
2018-08-30T15:11:23 < dongs> FUCK YOU DUMB AUSFAGS
2018-08-30T15:11:42 < dongs> i cannot possibly imagine why would you cross-select nets
2018-08-30T15:11:47 < dongs> i mean, if a component has 'GND' in it
2018-08-30T15:11:53 < dongs> that selects GND in EVERY FUCKING PART OF THE BOARD
2018-08-30T15:11:56 < dongs> W  H  Y
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2018-08-30T15:55:57 < kakimir> did they?
2018-08-30T15:56:52 < kakimir> I need really small wire terminals
2018-08-30T15:56:58 < kakimir> crimp a wire into them
2018-08-30T15:57:04 < kakimir> then solder them to board
2018-08-30T16:24:45 < kakimir> could castellated holes be used for horizontal wire connection?
2018-08-30T16:24:56 < kakimir> wire is about thinkness of the board
2018-08-30T16:35:54 < dongs> i see kikemir still autisming as usual
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2018-08-30T16:44:36 < hans23> Hey guys, have a short and probably simple question: when storing a branch instruction into my SRAM (infinite loop) and execute it my MCU always restarts itself
2018-08-30T16:44:51 < hans23> When I perform single stepping it remains in the infinite loop
2018-08-30T16:44:58 < hans23> I'm using OpenOCD as debugger
2018-08-30T16:45:27 < hans23> It set the PC with GDB to the SRAM location (0x20000000)
2018-08-30T16:45:41 < Ecco_> maybe something happens after a large number of loops?
2018-08-30T16:45:57 < hans23> Ecco_: like what?
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2018-08-30T16:46:11 < Ecco> No idea
2018-08-30T16:46:49 < zyp> hans23, how do you execute it?
2018-08-30T16:47:05 < hans23> zyp: set $pc = 0x20000000 -> continue
2018-08-30T16:47:19 < hans23> but this also happens if I execute a large problem in SRAM
2018-08-30T16:47:24 < hans23> s/problem/program
2018-08-30T16:47:30 < Thorn> hans23: that is a usage fault
2018-08-30T16:47:32 < zyp> try 0x20000001
2018-08-30T16:47:53 < zyp> not sure if it matters in this case, or if it's just a debugger artifact
2018-08-30T16:47:56 < Ecco> Yeah but he says it works if he steps manually
2018-08-30T16:48:15 < zyp> probably an artifact then
2018-08-30T16:48:16 < hans23> no, doesn't work
2018-08-30T16:48:35 < Ecco> "When I perform single stepping it remains in the infinite loop"
2018-08-30T16:48:44 < hans23> as I said, if I execute a large program in SRAM and set a breakpoint on the infinite loop the program works as expected
2018-08-30T16:49:07 < hans23> if I remove the BP in the loop the controller resets itself
2018-08-30T16:49:10 < zyp> could it be an interrupt thing?
2018-08-30T16:49:19 < zyp> breakpoint stops you before interrupt fires
2018-08-30T16:49:20 < hans23> zyp: i set primask to 1
2018-08-30T16:50:03 < zyp> doesn't that just mask prio 1 and lower, not prio 0 that they all are by default?
2018-08-30T16:50:12 < zyp> I don't remember the semantics for primask
2018-08-30T16:50:33 < hans23> cpsid: Interrupt Disable. This sets PRIMASK.PM to 1.
2018-08-30T16:50:38 < zyp> ok, fair
2018-08-30T16:51:09 < zyp> probably a debugger artifact
2018-08-30T16:52:20 < hans23> zyp: how? that would mean all while-loops would lead to a reset, no?
2018-08-30T16:52:45 < zyp> don't think it has anything to do with the loop
2018-08-30T16:53:30 < hans23> but the program executes well until the loop
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2018-08-30T17:01:34 < hans23> Can somebody reproduce this issue?
2018-08-30T17:10:10 < dongs> set $pc = 0x20000000 -> continue
2018-08-30T17:10:12 < dongs> i see gdb
2018-08-30T17:10:14 < dongs> found your problem
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2018-08-30T17:13:09 < Sadale> could it be watchdog?
2018-08-30T17:13:59 < hans23> I have a bp on the hardfault and other standard exceptions
2018-08-30T17:14:38 < hans23> Sadale: maybe, my program is killed after sometime too
2018-08-30T17:15:06 < Sadale> Anyway, I don't know what really caused that. sorry. :/
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2018-08-30T17:20:42 < Thorn> hans23: what is your branch instruction?
2018-08-30T17:21:21 < hans23> Thorn: 'b loop'
2018-08-30T17:22:09 < Thorn> what is the binary representation?
2018-08-30T17:23:02 < hans23> 0xe7fee7fe
2018-08-30T17:23:15 < hans23> actually two branches :)
2018-08-30T17:23:34 < hans23> disassmble of the SRAM content of the branches looks fine
2018-08-30T17:38:34 < hans23> okay, seems to be the watchdog
2018-08-30T17:38:36 < hans23> damn...
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2018-08-30T17:59:39 < Sadale> wow. My guess was right. :o
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2018-08-30T18:18:07 < Thorn> has anyone used TJA104x/TJA105x (NXP CAN drivers)? they're the cheapest @ lcsc
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2018-08-30T18:43:19 < kakimir> inductor casing
2018-08-30T18:43:25 < kakimir> conductive or not conductive?
2018-08-30T18:43:35 < kakimir> those hexacon shaped things
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2018-08-30T19:13:04 < gnom> https://i.imgur.com/HVFYPdi.jpg
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2018-08-30T19:33:01 < Steffanx> Hello gnom. Welcome. Tell us about yourself, who are you and what brings you here?
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2018-08-30T19:49:49 < karlp> hans23: you seriously had a watchdog running and complained that running an infinite loop caused a reset?!
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2018-08-30T19:49:52 < karlp> nice one.
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2018-08-30T21:38:10 < englishman> finally
2018-08-30T21:39:37 < kakimir> bicycle or motorcycle?
2018-08-30T21:40:36 < kakimir> as bicycle?
2018-08-30T21:40:58 < kakimir> both are bikes
2018-08-30T21:41:08 < kakimir> both are biking
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2018-08-30T21:49:13 < Steffanx> 50km ride?
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2018-08-30T21:50:54 < kakimir> absolute or summed 900m?
2018-08-30T21:52:03 < englishman> oh fuck
2018-08-30T21:52:08 < englishman> what is this "discontinued skype" shit
2018-08-30T21:52:14 < englishman> am i going to have to upgrade
2018-08-30T21:52:24 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABQ8M35oJpU 
2018-08-30T21:52:36 < kakimir> englishman: you have to do microsoft shiets englishman 
2018-08-30T21:52:38 < zyp> final progress for today: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/OqE9t.jpg
2018-08-30T21:52:48 < englishman> it will discontinue the older Skype 7.0, otherwise Skype Classic, from September 2018. Thus, Skype users will have no choice but to update the desktop app to the latest Skype 8 version.
2018-08-30T21:53:28 < kakimir> englishman: new one is a toy
2018-08-30T21:53:43 < englishman> fuck
2018-08-30T21:53:48 < zyp> skype's been getting worse and worse for years
2018-08-30T21:53:56 < zyp> nothing new now
2018-08-30T21:53:59 < englishman> wechat is not a viable replacement
2018-08-30T21:54:05 < kakimir> I'm not sure if you need microsoft account too
2018-08-30T21:54:05 < englishman> shitty desktop support and poor logging
2018-08-30T21:54:19 < englishman> what else can i use to talk to chinese
2018-08-30T21:54:42 < kakimir> skype only
2018-08-30T21:54:47 < kakimir> email maybe
2018-08-30T21:54:52 < kakimir> watsapp
2018-08-30T21:55:03 < kakimir> if you talk with customer service and sales
2018-08-30T21:55:18 < kakimir> if you talk with engineering I doubt it
2018-08-30T21:55:45 < englishman> the online status icon is gone
2018-08-30T21:55:47 < englishman> wtf
2018-08-30T21:56:09 < englishman> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/skype/forum/skype_prevandroms-skype_startms/cant-see-contacts-online-status-after-update/07faec18-cd8d-4f99-bc63-a7f483a4e064
2018-08-30T21:56:25 < englishman> garbage
2018-08-30T21:56:33 < kakimir> you can see when they were active last time
2018-08-30T21:56:47 < kakimir> when they come around green ball is lit next to name
2018-08-30T21:57:07 < zyp> skype on my phone was also fucking up earlier this week
2018-08-30T21:57:16 < zyp> I tried to answer a call, but the answer button did nothing
2018-08-30T21:57:22 < zyp> hanging up worked though
2018-08-30T21:57:28 < zyp> trying to call back also did nothing
2018-08-30T21:57:44 < zyp> fixed by force-killing the app
2018-08-30T21:57:51 < zyp> reoccured again the next day
2018-08-30T21:58:46 < kakimir> there was a period of good software
2018-08-30T21:58:52 < kakimir> like 5years ago or so?
2018-08-30T21:59:02 < kakimir> win7 times
2018-08-30T21:59:10 < kakimir> tools where tools
2018-08-30T21:59:28 < zyp> win7 is older than that :p
2018-08-30T21:59:56 < zyp> win7 was released nine years ago
2018-08-30T21:59:57 < kakimir> functionality over looks and symmetry with mobile shiets
2018-08-30T22:01:01 < kakimir> well some software has got better since then too
2018-08-30T22:02:17 < zyp> lots of stuff has been getting better, it's just the parts getting worse we notice
2018-08-30T22:02:18 < Steffanx> heh ok, cool superbia  :)
2018-08-30T22:03:03 < kakimir> trends like user friendlines = single mode of operation + no options ruin software
2018-08-30T22:03:36 < kakimir> KDE3.5 was fine
2018-08-30T22:03:50 < kakimir> it was really goood
2018-08-30T22:04:04 < kakimir> KDE4 is still getting there
2018-08-30T22:04:23 < Steffanx> i did, but havent done it for a while superbia .
2018-08-30T22:04:32 < kakimir> gnome had phase when it was unusable for years
2018-08-30T22:04:49 < Steffanx> My excuse was: its too hot, now my excuse it: its too cold, superbia  :P
2018-08-30T22:04:58 < qyx> zyp: what will you have on the roof?
2018-08-30T22:05:17 < zyp> tiles, I figure
2018-08-30T22:05:31 < zyp> I haven't specified anything, but I believe that's what the neighbor's got
2018-08-30T22:06:05 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05ugZimbKJQ 
2018-08-30T22:06:05 < qyx> solar tiles \o/
2018-08-30T22:06:15 < kakimir> more music
2018-08-30T22:06:30 < qyx> I would accept some for testing
2018-08-30T22:07:12 < Steffanx> Soon you'll have real money so you can buy your own swiss made bike superbia
2018-08-30T22:07:14 < zyp> I'm thinking about putting up some panels later
2018-08-30T22:07:15 < kakimir> norway + solar
2018-08-30T22:07:48 < kakimir> I mean - wind must be a thing next to atlantic
2018-08-30T22:07:52 < kakimir> and waves
2018-08-30T22:08:10 < Steffanx> here solar panels are (heavily) subsidized, hows that in norway?
2018-08-30T22:08:13 < Steffanx> i assume its not?
2018-08-30T22:08:25 < zyp> tempted to start with a single panel on a microinverter to get some real world experience before I put a lot of money into it
2018-08-30T22:08:56 < zyp> Steffanx, I can apply for some sponsoring
2018-08-30T22:09:06 < kakimir> probs it's more of luxury in norway than practical thing
2018-08-30T22:09:13 < kakimir> like in finland
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2018-08-30T22:09:29 < kakimir> if you don't have storage electricity is pissed away
2018-08-30T22:09:29 < Steffanx> an e-bike then superbia1 ?
2018-08-30T22:09:51 < Steffanx> hah ok
2018-08-30T22:10:41 < qyx> too much paperwork here to get any subsidy
2018-08-30T22:12:50 < Steffanx> there is so much jew gold in switzerland, money shouldnt be an issue superbia1
2018-08-30T22:13:11 < zyp> Steffanx, apparently I can get covered up to 35% of the cost of a solar installation
2018-08-30T22:13:26 < Steffanx> oh no bad then
2018-08-30T22:13:34 < zyp> 10k NOK base plus another 1250 NOK per kWp
2018-08-30T22:13:45 < zyp> up to 15 kWp
2018-08-30T22:13:51 < kakimir> it's not the panels
2018-08-30T22:13:56 < kakimir> it's the storage
2018-08-30T22:14:05 < Steffanx> just use the grid as storage
2018-08-30T22:14:05 < zyp> the fuck do you need storage for
2018-08-30T22:14:30 < kakimir> Steffanx: give it out almost free and buy it back in normal rate
2018-08-30T22:15:02 < Steffanx> sure
2018-08-30T22:15:05 < zyp> just spend it as you make it
2018-08-30T22:15:18 < qyx> I am going offgrid
2018-08-30T22:15:21 < Steffanx> you can always go crazy and buy a shitload of leaf batteries or something
2018-08-30T22:15:22 < qyx> so most of the cost is storage
2018-08-30T22:15:45 < qyx> but not because I want
2018-08-30T22:15:49 < qyx> theres no grid accessible
2018-08-30T22:16:18 < englishman> 1st world countries do net metering
2018-08-30T22:16:23 < englishman> so there is no reason to storage
2018-08-30T22:16:24 < Steffanx> not grid accessible, how is that possible qyx ?
2018-08-30T22:16:24 < englishman> kakimir: ^
2018-08-30T22:16:35 < Steffanx> *no
2018-08-30T22:16:38 < englishman> thats what off grid is
2018-08-30T22:17:10 < qyx> Steffanx: old garden near a wineyard
2018-08-30T22:17:23 < qyx> no electricity anywhere nearby
2018-08-30T22:17:29 < zyp> with electricity prices varying throughout the day, it's gonna be more expensive at daytime when people are using it
2018-08-30T22:17:35 < zyp> which happens to be when the sun is shining too
2018-08-30T22:17:44 < englishman> they do that? sounds annoying
2018-08-30T22:18:11 < zyp> not yet, I think, but they probably will soon
2018-08-30T22:18:30 < englishman> https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Satellite-derived-monthly-average-daily-global-solar-radiation-for-Oslo-and-Inland_fig3_274947386
2018-08-30T22:19:50 < englishman> looks way worse than here
2018-08-30T22:20:02 < kakimir> englishman: not here - and it doesn't make sense anyhow
2018-08-30T22:20:18 < zyp> what doesn't make sense?
2018-08-30T22:20:25 < kakimir> because different times of day consumption is totally different
2018-08-30T22:20:45 < kakimir> and electricity market price too
2018-08-30T22:21:13 < kakimir> mid day they don't have problem to have enough electricity
2018-08-30T22:21:23 < zyp> I think varying prices make total sense, supply and demand
2018-08-30T22:21:48 < zyp> it'll also encourage smarter scheduling which will even out the load on the grid
2018-08-30T22:21:55 < kakimir> and in future if solar is scaled up there can be more electricity mid day than there is demand
2018-08-30T22:22:23 < kakimir> you know - prices must go to literally almost 0 then
2018-08-30T22:22:30 < zyp> sure
2018-08-30T22:22:47 < englishman> they have gone negative in the past
2018-08-30T22:23:15 < kakimir> you know it happens all the time
2018-08-30T22:24:24 < kakimir> it's a stock market where you must use what you buy
2018-08-30T22:24:43 < kakimir> or pay serious penalties
2018-08-30T22:26:09 < englishman> January 2018 : 6,056 kWh
2018-08-30T22:26:10 < englishman> lol
2018-08-30T22:26:38 < englishman> need a lot of solar panels
2018-08-30T22:27:06 < kakimir> solar panels to collect no solar
2018-08-30T22:27:10 < kakimir> in january
2018-08-30T22:27:54 < englishman> wind would be much more cost efficient
2018-08-30T22:28:13 < kakimir> I have thought of idea of storing heat in trailer tanks that are burried inside unused building using straw
2018-08-30T22:28:41 < zyp> haha
2018-08-30T22:28:49 < kakimir> and heat pump pumping heat from ground and maybe cooling down solar panels
2018-08-30T22:29:35 < kakimir> like 100tonnes of water burried in straw in trailer tanks
2018-08-30T22:30:01 < kakimir> metric tonnes*
2018-08-30T22:30:28 < kakimir> It should do a month or two in winter without input power
2018-08-30T22:30:37 < kakimir> for keeping house warm
2018-08-30T22:31:11 < englishman> above-ground geothermal
2018-08-30T22:31:17 < kakimir> depends if you switch from direct heating to heat pump when water in the tanks go bellow 40C
2018-08-30T22:32:00 < kakimir> and if you add like 5tonnes of ethanol or salt in the tanks
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2018-08-30T22:32:06 < zyp> I think you underestimate how much heat leakage you'll have
2018-08-30T22:32:34 < kakimir> maybe
2018-08-30T22:33:18 < kakimir> first layer of closed cell foams
2018-08-30T22:33:19 < zyp> I mean, sure you can buffer up tons of energy, but if you're leaking a kilowatt, that adds up to a lot of energy you have to add in the first place
2018-08-30T22:33:22 < kakimir> then straw
2018-08-30T22:33:37 < kakimir> then 2 layers of film with airgap
2018-08-30T22:33:48 < englishman> what you want
2018-08-30T22:33:51 < englishman> is a giant hot tub
2018-08-30T22:33:57 < englishman> in which all of finland bathes
2018-08-30T22:34:14 < kakimir> englishman: just place reactor core in bottom of it
2018-08-30T22:34:29 < kakimir> it also has bubbles when you press a button
2018-08-30T22:34:36 < englishman> and illumination
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2018-08-30T22:36:10 < kakimir> also explosion
2018-08-30T22:36:18 < kakimir> big waves
2018-08-30T22:37:02 < kakimir> zyp: kilowatt is nothing
2018-08-30T22:37:18 < kakimir> that would be really good leaking figure for such system
2018-08-30T22:37:38 < qyx> kakimir: I am burying a 3m^3 tank in a basement
2018-08-30T22:37:46 < qyx> packed in a rockwool
2018-08-30T22:38:11 < kakimir> boiler
2018-08-30T22:38:41 < qyx> I'll see if it works
2018-08-30T22:38:49 < zyp> kakimir, a kilowatt on average is the consumption of a typical small apartment
2018-08-30T22:39:14 < qyx> I did some math and it seems that it should be able to cover heating except dec/jan
2018-08-30T22:39:24 < kakimir> ultimate option would be to have 100tonnes of 95C water in tanks and then build house around it
2018-08-30T22:39:30 < zyp> I thought the point of this system was to save energy
2018-08-30T22:39:48 < qyx> zyp: the house I am building leaks ~800W with a 20°C difference
2018-08-30T22:40:12 < kakimir> my lab leaks like 1kw in warm winter day
2018-08-30T22:40:19 < kakimir> maybe 3kw if it's windy
2018-08-30T22:40:25 < qyx> given that the temperature here is >0°C most of the year, it shoudl be sufficient
2018-08-30T22:44:32 < kakimir> you know
2018-08-30T22:44:46 < kakimir> in cuba freezing temperatures have not been even recorded
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2018-08-30T22:46:53 < kakimir> maybe there is other countries too
2018-08-30T22:48:32 < kakimir> https://medium.com/@mnolangray/cities-of-the-world-where-you-dont-need-ac-or-heat-mapped-2a3d6e018970
2018-08-30T22:51:08 < kakimir> oh wow. madagaskar is an rather large island next to mainland africa
2018-08-30T22:51:29 < kakimir> size of finland
2018-08-30T22:57:05 < karlp> mmmm, japanese late 90s electronics
2018-08-30T22:57:08 < karlp> mitsubish 8bitter
2018-08-30T22:59:20 < karlp> hrm, must be a hh8
2018-08-30T23:01:47 < karlp> inside this office phone
2018-08-30T23:06:28 < Steffanx> Heh, got so much time now you even started to open up your phone karlp ? :)
2018-08-30T23:07:46 < karlp> no, got this months ago, specifically for this project.
2018-08-30T23:07:52 < karlp> asterisk is still shitting me a bit,
2018-08-30T23:07:57 < karlp> works by ip, but not by name.
2018-08-30T23:08:06 < karlp> *shrugs* how that would fail is beyond me.
2018-08-30T23:09:11 < karlp> so, it has a dtmf _decoder_ ic in it.  why would it have that? not just inputs for the buttons? is it so it can set up dtmf matrix for the keypad for transmission out the line, and then just listen in on it itself to decode ?
2018-08-30T23:11:00 < zyp> kakimir, that sounds like an awful lot
2018-08-30T23:11:11 < zyp> I just looked at my power statistics
2018-08-30T23:11:32 < zyp> highest monthly consumption over the past year was march, with 1494 kWh
2018-08-30T23:11:51 < zyp> that comes out to almost exactly 2 kW on average
2018-08-30T23:12:15 < kakimir> hmm my AC has 800kwh in meter
2018-08-30T23:12:24 < kakimir> close to 900kwh
2018-08-30T23:13:31 < kakimir> I think in winter months it rolled some 250kwh in month
2018-08-30T23:13:37 < kakimir> when I heated my lab
2018-08-30T23:13:55 < kakimir> oh.. only 8kwh a day
2018-08-30T23:14:09 < kakimir> but that is electricity
2018-08-30T23:14:34 < kakimir> 8kwh * 3 = 24kwh
2018-08-30T23:14:49 < kakimir> of heat a day
2018-08-30T23:15:25 < kakimir> and 250kwh was just normal winter month
2018-08-30T23:15:48 < kakimir> coldest month would have been close to 400
2018-08-30T23:19:12 < karlp> hrm, thi sproject might be a bit silly.
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2018-08-30T23:19:28 < karlp> I mean, it always was, but the entire mainboard is keypad shit.
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2018-08-30T23:48:19 < karlp> ah, I love old hardware: "Low Quiescent Supply Current (2.7 mA Typ)"
2018-08-30T23:48:39 < karlp> explicitly mentions good for battery powered operation
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2018-08-30T23:53:18 < karlp> "This device contains 45 active transistors" noice
2018-08-30T23:58:22 < Steffanx> lheh
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2018-08-31T00:08:14 < zyp> kakimir, what do you classify as «my lab»?
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2018-08-31T00:08:54 < kakimir> where I have my shiets
2018-08-31T00:09:10 < zyp> so your house/apt/whatever?
2018-08-31T00:09:46 < kakimir> seperate building
2018-08-31T00:09:52 < zyp> so a shed?
2018-08-31T00:10:25 < kakimir> I call it a dog house sometimes
2018-08-31T00:23:40 < Steffanx> Where is englishman ?
2018-08-31T00:23:45 < Cracki> bwahahaha university has surveillance camera against burglary... then someone robbed the place... but at night there are no lights on so the tape is pitch black
2018-08-31T00:24:15 < Steffanx> Night vision isnt a thing in germany?
2018-08-31T00:24:37 < Cracki> these fucking dumbasses SHOULD have a camera with night vision
2018-08-31T00:24:39 < englishman> hi
2018-08-31T00:24:45 < Cracki> I think it even has IR leds...
2018-08-31T00:25:04 < Cracki> I wonder why there is no motion detector for the light...
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2018-08-31T00:42:00 < tomeaton17> how much are the tuition fees at said university?
2018-08-31T00:48:33 < karlp> well, there we go: http://false.ekta.is/2018/08/nitsuka-dx2e-office-phone-teardown/
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2018-08-31T00:59:04 < englishman> DX7C-12ANU5-A1
2018-08-31T00:59:05 < englishman> nice
2018-08-31T01:00:58 < karlp> yeah, thought of dongs when I saw taht.
2018-08-31T01:01:13 < karlp> the little red sticky bits are weird, wonder what it was printed with
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2018-08-31T01:05:27 < Laurenceb__> what the fuuuuu the amerimutts are here
2018-08-31T01:06:37 < Laurenceb__> >be me >get plasterer to come to do some work > his apprentice is from Texas
2018-08-31T01:06:42 < Laurenceb__> literally why
2018-08-31T01:06:59 < Laurenceb__> inb4 he covers the entire house with alooominum siding
2018-08-31T01:07:46 < Laurenceb__> why would u go to bongland to be an apprentice plasterer
2018-08-31T01:09:33 < Laurenceb__> thats like me going to murica to lurn to install shitty wooden walls
2018-08-31T01:10:49 < karlp> heh, kinda like https://github.com/hharte/1dcoinctrl
2018-08-31T01:11:24 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/y9dd22s69/
2018-08-31T01:11:26 < Laurenceb__> my sides
2018-08-31T01:13:00 < Cracki> what does a plasterer do? install drywall?
2018-08-31T01:13:12 < Laurenceb__> >dry
2018-08-31T01:13:31 < Cracki> drywall is the murican term for Gipskartonwand
2018-08-31T01:13:35 < Cracki> which is plaster
2018-08-31T01:13:43 < Cracki> + cardboard surface
2018-08-31T01:14:11 < Cracki> ah, just spackling a wall flat
2018-08-31T01:14:16 < Laurenceb__> https://www.diydoctor.org.uk/project_images/skim/practice-laying-on.jpg
2018-08-31T01:14:23 < Laurenceb__> pasterboard in uk
2018-08-31T01:14:53 < Cracki> I think that's what masons/bricklayers do, or maybe even the painters
2018-08-31T01:14:59 < Cracki> at least in germany
2018-08-31T01:15:25 < tomeaton17> interior walls in modern (cheap) uk houses are trash 
2018-08-31T01:15:26 < tomeaton17> thin af
2018-08-31T01:15:55 < Cracki> stone from a quarry, nothing less!
2018-08-31T01:16:09 < Cracki> and a fucking moat!
2018-08-31T01:16:27 < Laurenceb__> tomeaton17: latest thing is steel framing systems
2018-08-31T01:16:55 < Laurenceb__> it looks like shop shelf racking, then the pasterboard gets screwed in with self tapping screws
2018-08-31T01:17:04 < Laurenceb__> nasty as f
2018-08-31T01:17:16 < tomeaton17> yeah seen that alot
2018-08-31T01:17:31 < englishman> just bought 3.3kWh of nissan leaf cells
2018-08-31T01:17:35 < tomeaton17> its just annoying because shelfs are difficult
2018-08-31T01:18:09 < englishman> karlp are you coming to help harvest hops this weekend
2018-08-31T01:18:12 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo9evjjOnwE
2018-08-31T01:18:14 < Laurenceb__> my sides
2018-08-31T01:19:14 < tomeaton17> https://i.redd.it/h64uyiufe9j11.jpg
2018-08-31T01:19:16 < karlp> nah man. doing fuck all this weekend.
2018-08-31T01:19:22 < karlp> should brew I guess.
2018-08-31T01:19:28 < karlp> keg party on culture night cleared me out
2018-08-31T01:20:01 < englishman> you can have some chicken https://i.imgur.com/dzw1AX8.jpg
2018-08-31T01:20:14 < karlp> wat
2018-08-31T01:20:26 < karlp> even with a bigass chest freezer, that's a lot of chicken
2018-08-31T01:20:36 < Laurenceb__> what the fuu
2018-08-31T01:20:40 < englishman> well we have two bigass chest freezers
2018-08-31T01:20:48 < Laurenceb__> day best be photoshop
2018-08-31T01:21:00 < englishman> bite size https://i.imgur.com/tbPVE4J.jpg
2018-08-31T01:21:17 < Laurenceb__> chicken is nasty tasteless "meat" anyway
2018-08-31T01:21:29 < day> what are you doing
2018-08-31T01:21:30 < englishman> sounds like youve been shopping at the supermarket
2018-08-31T01:21:36 < day> they are too big now to eat :(
2018-08-31T01:21:44 < karlp> englishman: uyeah, but those you've got are shrinkwrapped
2018-08-31T01:22:08 < englishman> do icelanders eat the feathers and beak and all?
2018-08-31T01:22:29 < Laurenceb__> >just swallow the whole bird
2018-08-31T01:22:30 < karlp> you get them back from the abbatoir like that?
2018-08-31T01:22:34 < englishman> yeah
2018-08-31T01:22:38 < karlp> ah, handy.
2018-08-31T01:22:41 < englishman> very
2018-08-31T01:22:55 < catphish> that's a lot of chicken(s)
2018-08-31T01:23:04 < englishman> yea
2018-08-31T01:23:10 < englishman> and theres still 46 left to murder
2018-08-31T01:23:58 < englishman> good q
2018-08-31T01:25:05 < catphish> i no kill chickens, they frens
2018-08-31T01:25:47 < Laurenceb__> I eat proper food
2018-08-31T01:25:58  * Laurenceb__ collapses with CJD
2018-08-31T01:26:13 < englishman> we already knew there were holes in your head
2018-08-31T01:26:19 < kakimir> englishman: so cute
2018-08-31T01:26:54 < Cracki> >Plus, we eat the whole bird. that's 65% more bird, per bird.
2018-08-31T01:27:36 < sync> Laurenceb__: like fish and chips?
2018-08-31T01:27:58 < Laurenceb__> yup
2018-08-31T01:28:30 < sync> > proper
2018-08-31T01:30:37 < Laurenceb__> wut http://246mag.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/pbs.twimg_.commediaChR77mMWYAA5JhW-d294893239862b0ca524e81f52ea598583a0efbe-678x381.jpg
2018-08-31T01:31:01 < Laurenceb__> Corbyn btfo, how will he recover
2018-08-31T01:31:47 < Laurenceb__> >ppl unironically think Corbyn is Hitler
2018-08-31T01:33:18 < catphish> too cropped, makes no sense
2018-08-31T01:34:12 < Cracki> kek
2018-08-31T01:34:42 < Laurenceb__> >if 2016 was in 2018, ppl would claim Bernie was a nazi
2018-08-31T01:35:01 < catphish> i suspect those attacking corbyn have most succeeded, i've certainly lost what appeal i saw in him initially
2018-08-31T01:35:46 < Cracki> he's a communist in the classical sense, right? that's still better than whatever the fuck *May* is supposed to be
2018-08-31T01:36:02 < catphish> that's basically correct
2018-08-31T01:36:13 < catphish> she's strong and stable innit
2018-08-31T01:36:21 < Cracki> you people need to replace your government
2018-08-31T01:36:47 < Laurenceb__> could we solve shitposting using a designated shitposting thread?
2018-08-31T01:36:57 < catphish> personally, i think may is making the best of a very very bad situation right now
2018-08-31T01:36:58 < Cracki> May celebrates the mass murder of white south africans
2018-08-31T01:37:32 < catphish> but i've always disliked her for other reasons
2018-08-31T01:37:46 < catphish> and most of her party's social policies
2018-08-31T01:37:49 < Cracki> she's a crumpet-eating Merkel
2018-08-31T01:37:56 < catphish> lol
2018-08-31T01:38:03 < Laurenceb__> >implying Crumpets aren't nice 
2018-08-31T01:38:15 < catphish> i know nothing of merkel, but i like crumpets
2018-08-31T01:38:57 < Cracki> not trying to dunk on crumpets, it was a very british thing in my mind
2018-08-31T01:39:14 < Cracki> but then, calling May british might be an insult to the brits
2018-08-31T01:39:22 < Cracki> maybe she has dual citizenship...
2018-08-31T01:39:45 < Cracki> a lot of people in positions of power have dual citizenship. that's an interesting coincidence.
2018-08-31T01:40:41 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/6ehm56qjl/
2018-08-31T01:40:45 < Laurenceb__> le virgin bar
2018-08-31T01:40:59 < Laurenceb__> >Chads out
2018-08-31T01:41:12 < Cracki> reee
2018-08-31T01:41:17 < Laurenceb__> >the incel pub
2018-08-31T01:41:37 < catphish> lol looks fun
2018-08-31T01:41:57 < Cracki> it's like lesbians kicking the gays out of their own spaces because "men don't need that" and then keeping the men out because "equality"
2018-08-31T01:42:00 < catphish> i reckon there's a ton of money to be made by a geekery
2018-08-31T01:42:47 < Cracki> employ some asians for back massages and mimikaki https://www.tofugu.com/japan/mimikaki/
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2018-08-31T01:44:18 < catphish> y tho
2018-08-31T01:44:25 < Cracki> eargasm https://fr.japantravel.com/guide/japan-culture-guide-mimikaki/22968
2018-08-31T01:44:48 < Cracki> also asian waifu thighs and hooters in ya face
2018-08-31T01:44:57 < englishman> 5-The design of this current source should not include a capacitor
2018-08-31T01:44:58 < englishman> w u t
2018-08-31T01:45:07 < Cracki> coil then?
2018-08-31T01:45:24 < Cracki> coil anyway
2018-08-31T01:45:35 < Laurenceb__> wew Brittani Ventis bf dumped her and went rage mode on 4chan
2018-08-31T01:45:46 < Cracki> thot had a bf?
2018-08-31T01:45:50 < Laurenceb__> >her house is filled with cat shit and stinks
2018-08-31T01:45:57 < Laurenceb__> kek want to believe
2018-08-31T01:46:01 < Cracki> nobody disputes that
2018-08-31T01:47:06 < Laurenceb__> the female incel
2018-08-31T01:47:48 < Laurenceb__>  /cow/
2018-08-31T01:48:03 < Cracki> The Wall is real. every day women run against it.
2018-08-31T01:48:33 < Laurenceb__> true story: /cow/ is curated by the amazing atheist
2018-08-31T01:48:33 < Cracki> Jordan Peterson: "clean your cat shit"
2018-08-31T01:48:40 < Laurenceb__> irl lolling
2018-08-31T01:49:24 < Cracki> the dude who is into BDSM and plays with the fake boxxy?
2018-08-31T01:50:54 < Laurenceb__> the dude who was the king of old reddit
2018-08-31T01:52:40 < tomeaton17> don't understand chans obsession with twitch thots
2018-08-31T01:57:52 < Laurenceb__> Nasim Aghdam liked this post
2018-08-31T02:14:45 < Thorn> why do JST XH connectors have pitch 2.5mm and not 2.54mm?
2018-08-31T02:15:25 < catphish> they just do :(
2018-08-31T02:16:18 < catphish> i guess because metric
2018-08-31T02:16:22 < Thorn> reminds me of soviet logic chips
2018-08-31T02:16:54 < catphish> in soviet russia, logic chip solder you
2018-08-31T02:26:25 < englishman> jst is jap
2018-08-31T02:26:31 < englishman> why would they use 0.1"
2018-08-31T02:31:27 < Laurenceb__> https://postimg.cc/image/l42g9ul5d/
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2018-08-31T02:48:46 < catphish> englishman: same reason everyone else does?
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2018-08-31T03:28:06 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/doctoranalog/status/1034841269455998977
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2018-08-31T04:21:11 < dongs> sup dongs
2018-08-31T04:23:40 < dongs> donging
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2018-08-31T04:25:15 < dongs> I was altiuming until 2am yesterday
2018-08-31T04:25:24 < dongs> core U laptops are absolute fucking shite
2018-08-31T04:25:28 < dongs> with intelgfx
2018-08-31T04:25:38 < dongs> place track -> lag
2018-08-31T04:25:41 < dongs> scroll sch -> lag
2018-08-31T04:25:45 < dongs> do anything -> lag
2018-08-31T04:25:46 < dongs> fucking garbage
2018-08-31T04:26:43 < dongs> even some fucking AMD Shit would be better than this UHD620
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2018-08-31T04:30:10 < dongs> whatever kikelake shit is latest as of last year
2018-08-31T04:30:18 < dongs> the problem is JEWHD620 hasnt been updated for like 5 years
2018-08-31T04:30:24 < dongs> it just got renamed a year or two ago
2018-08-31T04:30:29 < dongs> from HD620 to UHF60
2018-08-31T04:30:33 < dongs> or wahtever
2018-08-31T04:30:36 < dongs> but otherwise its same shit
2018-08-31T04:30:57 < dongs> good luck altiuming on that
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2018-08-31T04:32:06 < catphish> oh joy https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45364150
2018-08-31T04:33:12 < dongs> only cocerns americunts so who cares
2018-08-31T04:33:34 < dongs> the sooner california gets nuked into a glossy-white wasteland the better
2018-08-31T04:36:47 < catphish> i should drift away into the abyss of the night now
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2018-08-31T04:55:20 < dongs> https://i.redd.it/m97rqxo7vu611.jpg @ crt
2018-08-31T05:13:52 < dongs> https://www.ebay.com/itm/331040549437
2018-08-31T05:17:06 < Thorn> $30$05$10$00$02lol dongs$00$00
2018-08-31T05:17:41 < Thorn> can you do DDR3 in 4 layers?
2018-08-31T05:17:49 < dongs> yes
2018-08-31T05:17:58 < dongs> < Thorn> $30$05$10$00$02lol dongs$00$00
2018-08-31T05:18:00 < dongs> what the fuck
2018-08-31T05:18:20 < dongs> pretty much every shitty china asdroid box with A20 or wahtever is a 4L board
2018-08-31T05:18:22 < dongs> with DDR3
2018-08-31T05:18:31 < Thorn> testing my rs-485 protocol
2018-08-31T05:19:01 < Thorn> are they impedance controlled?
2018-08-31T05:19:12 < dongs> arent; they all
2018-08-31T05:19:41 < Thorn> even the $15 special from jlcpcb?
2018-08-31T05:19:59 < dongs> oh you mean the chink boards with A20? probably not
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2018-08-31T05:30:32 < Thorn> ok thx
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2018-08-31T05:40:56 < dongs> <dkozel> Most development with GNU Radio is done on Linux
2018-08-31T05:40:56 < dongs> <dkozel> and that's both a cause and a result. Because most of the major contributors develop on Linux, Linux is best supported so most people use it
2018-08-31T05:41:20 < dongs> haha.
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2018-08-31T06:04:24 < emeb_mac> not *that* kind of strip
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2018-08-31T07:53:50 < dongs> what happens if you AF a GPIO pin to something that doesn't have a documented mux
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2018-08-31T08:41:33 < dongs> fucking pros
2018-08-31T08:50:19 < Cracki> who are you
2018-08-31T08:51:08 < Cracki> ... or the energy to type straight
2018-08-31T08:51:47 < dongs> lol
2018-08-31T08:51:56 < dongs> this fucking dickstarter is catching up with me
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2018-08-31T08:56:20 < dongs> as in i actually have to try and do something
2018-08-31T08:56:30 < dongs> they will soon, yes
2018-08-31T08:58:42 < dongs> is that their shitty attempt at source control?
2018-08-31T08:58:48 < dongs> or wahtever the fuck it is
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2018-08-31T09:17:48 < dongs> haha.
2018-08-31T09:18:00 < dongs> is R2FAIL still talking about this irrelevant shit caled 'orcad'
2018-08-31T09:19:05 < dongs> hows cypress
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2018-08-31T09:29:21 < englishman> I don't miss him
2018-08-31T09:30:07 < englishman> maybe if he'd switch to altidumb he'd have more time to irc
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2018-08-31T09:48:13 < hans23> karlp: didn't see your response with your first guess "is the watchdog enabled?"
2018-08-31T09:48:31 < hans23> anyway, thanks for your valuable input guys!
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2018-08-31T10:00:56 < dongs> < englishman> maybe if he'd switch to altidumb he'd have more time to irc
2018-08-31T10:00:58 < dongs> lol
2018-08-31T10:01:10 < dongs> fact
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2018-08-31T10:31:58 < dongs> hm
2018-08-31T10:32:20 < dongs> so im using some trash on F0 that can only be AF'd to PA13 and that drops SWDIO
2018-08-31T10:32:45 < dongs> i briefly switch from AF0 (swd) to the shit I need, and go back (few ms later), but it still kills the debug session
2018-08-31T10:33:30 < dongs> its not a deal breaker cuz i can just debug with that shit compiled out as the AF stuff has been tested and works
2018-08-31T10:33:34 < dongs> but still annoying
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2018-08-31T10:41:36 < zyp> just write less bugs, then you don't have to debug so much
2018-08-31T10:41:42 < dongs> yeah
2018-08-31T10:41:44 < dongs> exactly
2018-08-31T10:41:57 < dongs> im mostly just using swd to watch datastructures at runtime so i dnt have to printf shit
2018-08-31T10:42:04 < dongs> not for "debugging" so much
2018-08-31T10:42:34 < zyp> I'm not really using jtag debugging much for this workstuff either
2018-08-31T10:42:42 < dongs> thats cuz youre using gcc
2018-08-31T10:42:44 < dongs> and eclipse
2018-08-31T10:42:58 < dongs> if you had real tools...
2018-08-31T10:43:00 < zyp> no, I'm not using either
2018-08-31T10:43:20 < dongs> isnt crap composter eclipse based
2018-08-31T10:44:00 < zyp> yeah, but I stopped using it, it refused to work with jlink anyway, and the last reason I kept using it was because it worked with the other ti debugger
2018-08-31T10:44:12 < dongs> what do you do now
2018-08-31T10:44:14 < srk> yeah, use real opensource tools like gcc <3
2018-08-31T10:44:16 < zyp> ozone
2018-08-31T10:44:17 < dongs> emacs + makefiles/
2018-08-31T10:44:18 < dongs> oh
2018-08-31T10:44:21 < dongs> yeah ozone is <3
2018-08-31T10:44:39 < dongs> did you hear my blog about splitting  flash regions
2018-08-31T10:44:52 < zyp> no
2018-08-31T10:45:05 < dongs> i have a proj where i got about 200k of .bitmaps that never change and ~40k of code
2018-08-31T10:45:16 < dongs> on a F401 so flash erase is slow as balls
2018-08-31T10:45:28 < dongs> so I segmented flash, bottom 128k for code and rest for r/o bitmaps
2018-08-31T10:45:51 < dongs> put all the bitmap shit into the high flash using #pragma and assigned it to that section
2018-08-31T10:46:13 < dongs> and ozone does compare when it flashes, so it never touches the high flash blocks and only reloads 1-2 affected pages
2018-08-31T10:46:24 < dongs> so went from ~9 seconds flash time to <1sec
2018-08-31T10:46:26 < dongs> for code changes
2018-08-31T10:47:07 < zyp> nice
2018-08-31T10:47:16 < zyp> hmm
2018-08-31T10:47:29 < dongs> #pragma arm section rodata = "assets"
2018-08-31T10:47:33 < dongs> for armcc
2018-08-31T10:47:39 < zyp> I should probably consider doing the same in that project I were using mcufont
2018-08-31T10:47:43 < dongs> and assets is section name from linker script
2018-08-31T10:48:48 < zyp> doesn't even have to split flash in two fixed regions, just make the static data section be aligned with a new flash page
2018-08-31T10:49:13 < dongs> yeah but how do you do that programmatically
2018-08-31T10:49:17 < dongs> if you dont know code size
2018-08-31T10:49:19 < zyp> will require a full reflash every time code section spills over in a new flash page, but that's not so often
2018-08-31T10:49:30 < zyp> ALIGN statement in the linker script
2018-08-31T10:49:35 < dongs> well, thats for gcc
2018-08-31T10:49:40 < dongs> armlink has different shit
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2018-08-31T10:49:49 < dongs> i just edited IROM1/2 sections and renamed one of htem
2018-08-31T10:49:58 < zyp> not my fault if your linker don't let you specify alignment requirements :p
2018-08-31T10:50:00 < dongs> :D
2018-08-31T10:50:02 < dongs> it probly does
2018-08-31T10:50:47 < dongs> apparently its possible too
2018-08-31T10:50:59 < zyp> should be
2018-08-31T10:51:17 < dongs> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0474e/CHDIEAJD.html
2018-08-31T10:51:22 < dongs> exactly what you sai too
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2018-08-31T10:52:21 < dongs> if I ever start running out of flash I could do this but for now i've got 512k and 128k code/384k data is enough
2018-08-31T10:52:31 < dongs> i could probly even make code 64k
2018-08-31T10:52:42 < zyp> "scatter file"
2018-08-31T10:52:48 < dongs> scat file
2018-08-31T10:52:51 < zyp> that's what armlink calls its linker scripts :p
2018-08-31T10:52:55 < dongs> yeah
2018-08-31T10:53:05 < zyp> looks very similar, almost same syntax
2018-08-31T10:53:22 < dongs> im certain not influcneced by gcc at all
2018-08-31T10:53:38 < zyp> this ti linker shit has "command files"
2018-08-31T10:53:41 < zyp> .cmd
2018-08-31T10:53:51 < zyp> also same shit
2018-08-31T10:53:52 < dongs> but anyway, tl;dr is that ozone/jlink is pretty awesome/smart
2018-08-31T10:54:02 < dongs> for doing this kinda sparse flashing
2018-08-31T10:54:07 < zyp> yeah
2018-08-31T10:54:27 < dongs> i guess they had to have this ability for flashBP stuff
2018-08-31T10:54:42 < dongs> since to do that they have to read/modify/write a page to add a breakpoint at runtime
2018-08-31T10:55:03 < zyp> or just general speedups
2018-08-31T10:55:26 < zyp> change a constant and recompile -> binary has one word different from previous so you only need to rewrite one page
2018-08-31T10:56:18 < dongs> right
2018-08-31T11:18:12 < kakimir> big castellated holes
2018-08-31T11:18:24 < kakimir> what to you thing about such
2018-08-31T11:18:43 < kakimir> I mean like 2mm wire
2018-08-31T11:18:46 < kakimir> wide
2018-08-31T11:19:00 < kakimir> btw
2018-08-31T11:19:12 < kakimir> I don't remember when my kicad last time crashed
2018-08-31T11:19:25 < kakimir> and I use nightly only!!!
2018-08-31T11:19:32 < kakimir> suck on that
2018-08-31T11:20:57 < kakimir> It's just sweet - I need to close kicad only when win 7 peasant edition forceboots
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2018-08-31T11:33:40 < Cracki> there are some people who learned to speak such that ancient speech recog can understand them... they speak with absolute pauses between words. I WANT TO MURDER THAT SPEAKER
2018-08-31T11:51:30 < Cracki> aaaah
2018-08-31T12:01:32 < kakimir> :D
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2018-08-31T12:06:11 < Cracki> fuuu I have to suffer this for another 4 hours
2018-08-31T12:06:32 < Cracki> no ear plugs :S
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2018-08-31T13:32:10 < Cracki> bailed.
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2018-08-31T13:38:59 < Steffanx> Did they use the word "basically" in every other sentence as well?
2018-08-31T13:39:14 < Steffanx> Had this math prof that used that word tooo often
2018-08-31T13:40:32 < jpa-> Obviously, everything is basically obvious
2018-08-31T13:40:34 < Cracki> he uhed a lot, but every word ended abruptly
2018-08-31T13:40:49 < Cracki> and that got on my nerves very quickly
2018-08-31T13:41:56 < zyp> you're easy to annoy :p
2018-08-31T13:41:59 < catphish> 100%
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2018-08-31T13:43:28 < Cracki> want an audio sample?
2018-08-31T13:43:57 < zyp> where are you anyway?
2018-08-31T13:44:15 < Cracki> not in the lecture. it's lunch time anyway.
2018-08-31T13:44:26 < zyp> ah, so lecturer is annoying
2018-08-31T13:44:39 < zyp> why bother attending the lecture if you're not benefiting from it?
2018-08-31T13:44:45 < Cracki> I spent half the time working on a way to "scope view" logic analyzer data... incremental (A/B) encoder data.
2018-08-31T13:45:20 < Cracki> welllllll the slides are online, but it's not quite powerpoint karaoke. they say more than is written.
2018-08-31T13:45:38 < Cracki> "block seminar"
2018-08-31T13:45:47 < zyp> sure, but are you following?
2018-08-31T13:45:48 < Cracki> mon-fri. he has 3/4 of today.
2018-08-31T13:46:01 < Cracki> rest of the week, entertaining content
2018-08-31T13:46:17 < Cracki> today, well, I'd sit through it, were it not for his intonation
2018-08-31T13:46:31 < zyp> when I went to uni, I just dropped all the lectures that weren't worth attending
2018-08-31T13:46:44 < zyp> a bunch of them because they started at 8am :p
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2018-08-31T13:47:08 < Cracki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it's a filler lecture. I need the credits because I want to finish soon.
2018-08-31T13:47:39 < zyp> how does credits work there? do they take attendance in lectures?
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2018-08-31T14:01:01 < Cracki> 30 credits/semester goal.
2018-08-31T14:01:08 < Cracki> 1 credit ~ 30 hours of work
2018-08-31T14:01:34 < Cracki> a module has credits. credits are weighting the grade.
2018-08-31T14:01:59 < Cracki> you get a grade via written or oral exam, or seminar paper, or lab exercises.
2018-08-31T14:05:52 < Cracki> and some other requirements (12 credits theory, a seminar, a lab, a thesis, x credits minor subject, ...)
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2018-08-31T14:49:10 < veverak> zyp: I have a system for that
2018-08-31T14:49:24 < veverak> zyp: first week I attend all lectures, rest of the semestr only the ones that seemed worth it frist week
2018-08-31T14:49:34 < veverak> Usually that's 1-2 worth something
2018-08-31T14:49:44 < zyp> yeah, I did something like that too
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2018-08-31T15:08:06 < veverak> last time I had course on supercomputers, the course turned out to be super boring
2018-08-31T15:08:12 < veverak> (so much potential here :/
2018-08-31T15:08:36 < veverak> anyway, I managed to not to meet the guy behind it even once
2018-08-31T15:09:03 < veverak> as his phd. students were managing the written exams ...
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2018-08-31T15:50:12 < Sadale> -,-
2018-08-31T15:50:29 < Sadale> everything's going to be boring to me when it end up being a part of a course :<
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2018-08-31T16:20:04 < karlp> speaking of allwinner, retro obsolete allwinner in new clothes: https://www.banggood.com/Lichee-Pi-NanoFW16M-Cross-Border-Core-Board-with-WIFI-Module-TF-WIFI-Adapter-Development-Board-p-1340800.html
2018-08-31T16:22:00 < kakimir> anyone recommend chinese manuf of DC/DC converters?
2018-08-31T16:22:21 < kakimir> such things that are potted in those plastic cubes
2018-08-31T16:22:32 < kakimir> I need custom buck boost
2018-08-31T16:25:09 < Sadale> like a chip?
2018-08-31T16:25:30 < karlp> this looks cool though http://www.eenewsembedded.com/news/gowin-offers-arm-based-fpga-soc?news_id=109351
2018-08-31T16:26:00 < zyp> nice, finally more cortex-m fpga stuff
2018-08-31T16:27:13 < Sadale> cool!
2018-08-31T16:27:28 < Sadale> Is there any development board for this chip? How much would that cost?
2018-08-31T16:28:54 < zyp> considering that's just an announcement, I think you'll have to wait a while for that
2018-08-31T16:29:19 < zyp> if you wanna look at existing option, microsemi has smartfusion
2018-08-31T16:31:08 < Sadale> I see. I have no experience on working with FPGA anyway :(
2018-08-31T16:31:16 < Sadale> well, I don't have the time to learn :<
2018-08-31T16:31:55 < Sadale> Perhaps I should switch to being a freelancer or part timer to free up time so that I can work on/learn about what I love. :3
2018-08-31T16:33:43 < karlp> pcb footprints for membrane pushbuttons, how important are those? is there any real major pitfalls?
2018-08-31T16:35:06 < karlp> smartfusion has emac, but no usb.
2018-08-31T16:35:23 < karlp> I guess that's fine for the target
2018-08-31T16:35:54 < veverak> Sadale: People around me are able to get jobs without 5days/8hours per week work time
2018-08-31T16:36:16 < veverak> some of them work for 5-6 hours/day, some of them work only 3-4 days, they use the rest of the week to self-educate usually
2018-08-31T16:36:28 < Sadale> veverak, I think I'm also able to if I resign from this job, which I'll do in near future :P
2018-08-31T16:36:45 < veverak> yeah, that also could help )
2018-08-31T16:36:47 < veverak> :)
2018-08-31T16:36:54 < Sadale> That's why I was asking if someone's interested in hiring remote worker here yesterday. xD
2018-08-31T16:37:42 < Sadale> On the other side I think I'll also tidy up my portfolio on upwork and resubmit my application. Last time they rejected me :(
2018-08-31T16:38:06 < Sadale> veverak, BTW are you in the US?
2018-08-31T16:38:15 < veverak> nope
2018-08-31T16:38:16  * Sadale is in Hong Kong.
2018-08-31T16:38:29 < veverak> czech republic, europe
2018-08-31T16:38:34 < Sadale> I wish I was in India or other countries that has cheaper living cost and decent internet access.
2018-08-31T16:38:50 < Sadale> living cost in Hong Kong is too high. That makes life as a freelancer more difficult.
2018-08-31T16:39:02 < Sadale> I see. :)
2018-08-31T16:39:09 < veverak> you mean countries that has bad health service, low salaries, and it's problematic to buy some stuff localy?
2018-08-31T16:39:11 < veverak> :)
2018-08-31T16:39:16 < Sadale> I guess the living cost there isn't that bad.
2018-08-31T16:39:25 < veverak> depends on city, literally
2018-08-31T16:39:53 < Sadale> For health service, that's fine as long as you have enough money =P
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2018-08-31T16:40:07 < Sadale> salary doesn't matter because remote working.
2018-08-31T16:40:25 < Sadale> so the rate is the same everywhere. :P
2018-08-31T16:40:34 < Sadale> "problematic to buy some stuff localy". hmm. you're right xD
2018-08-31T16:40:36 < veverak> Sadale: no, it is not
2018-08-31T16:40:56 < Sadale> I think the advantage of living in Hong Kong is that we can get electronic stuffs from mainland China rather easily.
2018-08-31T16:40:57 < veverak> Sadale: if car hits you and local doctor tries to help you
2018-08-31T16:41:04 < veverak> money will not affect that
2018-08-31T16:41:05 < veverak> :)
2018-08-31T16:41:08 < Sadale> veverak, ohh right. :(
2018-08-31T16:41:25 < Sadale> veverak, perhaps the doctor in the US is as bad as those poor countries :P
2018-08-31T16:41:39 < veverak> if you wish to rely on that, your choice :)
2018-08-31T16:41:48 < Sadale> ok :P
2018-08-31T16:42:08 < zyp> if you're working from home, you don't have to go outside, low risk of being hit by cars if you're staying inside all the time
2018-08-31T16:42:21 < veverak> yeah, but by my experience that kind of life sucks
2018-08-31T16:42:24 < Sadale> hmm. you have a point.
2018-08-31T16:42:33 < zyp> veverak, of course it does
2018-08-31T16:42:40 < zyp> but that's not what we're discussing :p
2018-08-31T16:42:54 < Sadale> What I'm looking for is to have enough money and reasonable work hours. :3
2018-08-31T16:43:03 < Sadale> day job doesn't suit me well.
2018-08-31T16:43:08 < zyp> have you tried just winning the lottery?
2018-08-31T16:43:15 < Sadale> lol nope.
2018-08-31T16:43:21 < zyp> better get on that then
2018-08-31T16:43:43 < Sadale> Here's my plan, tho. Go freelancing. Then move to somewhere with low living cost.
2018-08-31T16:44:17 < Sadale> And I've seen a few guys managed to work their life in this way. bah! They're working like 1~2 days per week. I envy them!
2018-08-31T16:44:39 < zyp> low living cost tends to be because nobody wants to live there :p
2018-08-31T16:44:50 < veverak> !!!
2018-08-31T16:44:53 < veverak> zyp++
2018-08-31T16:44:55 < veverak> D
2018-08-31T16:44:57 < veverak> :D
2018-08-31T16:44:59 < Sadale> I don't think so. :p
2018-08-31T16:45:11 < Sadale> I just stay at home most of the time anyway.
2018-08-31T16:45:25 < zyp> then you should consider supply and demand
2018-08-31T16:45:25 < Sadale> I've got a computer. I've got a home to live in. I've got internet. That's the happiest life ever :3
2018-08-31T16:45:38 < zyp> how old are you?
2018-08-31T16:45:47 < Sadale> Not telling.
2018-08-31T16:45:50 < Sadale> I'm a young adult.
2018-08-31T16:46:03 < Sadale> I think it's about the economy of the place.
2018-08-31T16:46:10 < zyp> yeah, I would guess early twenties at most :)
2018-08-31T16:46:29 < Sadale> In some places everything's cheap. The salary is low. And the stuffs are cheap to buy.
2018-08-31T16:46:37 < Sadale> In some other places everything's expensive :<
2018-08-31T16:46:43 < Sadale> Of course, the salary is higher.
2018-08-31T16:47:24 < zyp> why is that?
2018-08-31T16:48:18 < Sadale> because of inflation.
2018-08-31T16:48:28 < Sadale> and the economy.
2018-08-31T16:48:34 < karlp> "magic"
2018-08-31T16:49:01 < Sadale> like, if the government is printing a lot of banknotes, or if the government is having a lot of debt, everyone's going to get a lot of money.
2018-08-31T16:49:15 < englishman> why does thorn make $3/hr while i make much more than that even though he is smarter than me
2018-08-31T16:49:39 < englishman> because a bottle of vodka costs $3 there
2018-08-31T16:50:02 < Sadale> englishman, how much a bottle of vodka cost in where you're living in?
2018-08-31T16:50:06 < Thorn> moneyed westerners
2018-08-31T16:50:06 < Thorn> have a cat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zA2EJX6CPM
2018-08-31T16:50:07 < englishman> more
2018-08-31T16:50:34 < Sadale> I guess it's very profitable for Indian to work as an expat in the US.
2018-08-31T16:50:59 < Sadale> Perhaps one could work in the US for a few years and go back to India and he could retire.
2018-08-31T16:51:12 < zyp> hmm, I'm not sure what a bottle of vodka costs here now, but I suspect it's more than I earn per hour
2018-08-31T16:51:33 < Sadale> I have no idea on how much does vodka costs here. I don't drink
2018-08-31T16:51:42 < Sadale> drinking is bad for my health :3
2018-08-31T16:54:40 < Sadale> zyp, anyway why do you think it isn't a good idea to live in places that has low living cost? :/
2018-08-31T16:54:53 < Sadale> I'm rather curious about that.
2018-08-31T16:55:02 < kakimir> time to roll gerbers
2018-08-31T16:55:09 < kakimir> and next board
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2018-08-31T16:56:21 < zyp> I checked vodka prices, seems they haven't changed much, 1L bottles still starts at around 400 NOK
2018-08-31T16:56:33 < zyp> (which indeed is more than I earn per hour)
2018-08-31T16:57:07 < zyp> 400 NOK is close to $50 for anybody too lazy to do the conversion
2018-08-31T16:58:40 < zyp> in general, I don't think living in a third world country would be a very enjoyable experience
2018-08-31T16:59:12 < englishman> idk, you live in norway, it can't be that bad
2018-08-31T17:00:02 < zyp> ha :p
2018-08-31T17:00:03 < Sadale> zyp, ... that's ain't an explanation :/
2018-08-31T17:00:21 < Sadale> well, whatever :3
2018-08-31T17:00:31 < zyp> Sadale, what's your life goals? to have a lot of money?
2018-08-31T17:00:37 < Sadale> nope.
2018-08-31T17:00:43 < Sadale> To have time to do what I want. This is my goal.
2018-08-31T17:00:58 < zyp> good, so what do you want to do?
2018-08-31T17:01:00 < Sadale> But I have to work, otherwise I'd be homeless :<
2018-08-31T17:01:16 < Sadale> I do everything, mainly programming stuffs, tho. :3
2018-08-31T17:01:59 < Sadale> programming-related: setting up website/servers, game development, embedded programming. other stuffs: music, linguistic.
2018-08-31T17:02:09 < Sadale> so I pretty much just do what I want. :P
2018-08-31T17:02:31 < Sadale> Everything sucks when I'm paid to do that. It's no fun. >_<
2018-08-31T17:02:31 < englishman> the millenial career curve
2018-08-31T17:02:33 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/C5KMgbE
2018-08-31T17:02:38 < bitmask> I have too much free time on my hands
2018-08-31T17:03:01 < Sadale> bitmask, looks cool! :D
2018-08-31T17:03:18 < Sadale> bitmask, how did you make the shells?
2018-08-31T17:03:27 < bitmask> thanks, I'm trying to etch my first pcb for it, not my circuit but first time etching
2018-08-31T17:03:31 < bitmask> 3d printer
2018-08-31T17:03:37 < Sadale> bitmask, good job!
2018-08-31T17:03:42 < bitmask> got it on thingiverse, didnt design that either
2018-08-31T17:04:00 < Sadale> zyp, ^ What bitmask does is the sort of stuffs that I'd do in my free time. You get the idea.
2018-08-31T17:04:07 < zyp> Sadale, so you want a lot of time to do stuff, but all that stuff won't take you outside your room?
2018-08-31T17:04:15 < bitmask> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2947883
2018-08-31T17:04:29 < bitmask> thats the thing, some people complained about light bleeding through, hence the alu foil tape
2018-08-31T17:04:47 < Sadale> zyp, right. The whole point isn't to show it to others. It's to learn and to have fun.
2018-08-31T17:05:01 < zyp> right
2018-08-31T17:05:23 < Sadale> alright I better to get back working on my game console :3
2018-08-31T17:05:23 < zyp> it's just that most people don't tend to want to live their entire lives cooped up in their room
2018-08-31T17:05:48 < Sadale> right.
2018-08-31T17:06:08 < Sadale> zyp, perhaps living in 3rd world country doesn't suit most people. But it does (seem to) suit me well :P
2018-08-31T17:25:25 < kakimir> is there such liquid thermal conductor that can be applied straight into electronics?
2018-08-31T17:25:48 < kakimir> pour it on pcb to fill contact area into the case
2018-08-31T17:28:34 < Sadale> I think oil-dipped cooling is a thing for computers.
2018-08-31T17:28:42 < Sadale> It's like poor man's liquid cooling.
2018-08-31T17:29:01 < Sadale> They dip the motherboard and electronics with mineral oil or something. Let me check
2018-08-31T17:29:41 < Sadale> found. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_immersion_cooling
2018-08-31T17:30:11 < kakimir> some kids in 90's did computers in oil tanks
2018-08-31T17:30:13 < Sadale> I guess the same thing could be used for electronic stuffs other than computer.
2018-08-31T17:30:47 < kakimir> and you need to remember oil doesn't have convection such that air has
2018-08-31T17:31:03 < kakimir> + oil is an insulator
2018-08-31T17:31:10 < kakimir> thermal*
2018-08-31T17:32:37 < Sadale> If it's a thermal insulator why'd anyone immerse a computer into it?
2018-08-31T17:32:47 < kakimir> they said fans work
2018-08-31T17:32:57 < kakimir> but spin slowly
2018-08-31T17:33:25 < kakimir> oil has quite much bigger thermal capacity than air
2018-08-31T17:33:47 < Sadale> oh. I guess I learned it in highschool. Now I've forgot them :D
2018-08-31T17:38:18 < zyp> kakimir, of course it does have convection
2018-08-31T17:39:08 < zyp> 3M got some shit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorinert
2018-08-31T17:39:59 < englishman> drill a hole into your nearest transformer and capture the FREE liquid that comes out
2018-08-31T17:41:09 < Sadale> and be prepared to get arrested :P
2018-08-31T17:54:12 < kakimir> englishman: and get cancer
2018-08-31T17:54:39 < kakimir> is case it's an old transformer
2018-08-31T17:55:02 < Sadale> what's wrong with my mind. :<
2018-08-31T17:55:16 < kakimir> nothing but everything?
2018-08-31T17:55:21 < kakimir> what did you do?
2018-08-31T17:55:31 < Sadale> I saw soemone said "drill a hole" and the word "comes"
2018-08-31T17:55:43 < Sadale> That made me think about something inappropriate :P
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2018-08-31T17:56:00 < kakimir> Sadale: it's normal
2018-08-31T17:57:04 < englishman> a normal side effect of being indoors and alone
2018-08-31T17:57:51 < kakimir> yes
2018-08-31T17:58:18 < Sadale> lololololol
2018-08-31T17:58:27 < kakimir> in dark
2018-08-31T17:58:41 < Sadale> more like I have been in some lewd IRC communities. xD
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2018-08-31T18:30:38 < Cracki> perhaps you're still in puberty
2018-08-31T18:31:08 < kakimir> maybe you are still a man
2018-08-31T18:31:57 < Cracki> are you a trap
2018-08-31T18:35:30 < Cracki> traps welcome.
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2018-08-31T19:10:27 < Steffanx> No more trouble tomeaton17 
2018-08-31T19:13:50 < tomeaton17> Steffanx, dammit you have seen the troll nick
2018-08-31T19:14:13 < tomeaton17> not like I have an ident server to ident me :p
2018-08-31T19:14:27 < Steffanx> Yeah mate. Ive noted it in my irc note book
2018-08-31T19:14:56 < tomeaton17> uh oh Steffanx naughty book
2018-08-31T19:15:39 < Steffanx> Yes printed your photo and added it as well 
2018-08-31T19:16:20 < tomeaton17> what you got me in for guv
2018-08-31T19:17:12 < Steffanx> No clue what guv means
2018-08-31T19:18:45 < tomeaton17> guv'nor: a man in a position of authority such as one's employer or father (often used as a term of address)
2018-08-31T19:19:00 < tomeaton17> cockney 
2018-08-31T19:22:05 < Steffanx> Aha
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2018-08-31T20:16:10 < englishman> trying to figure out why this vna isnt working
2018-08-31T20:16:19 < englishman> the fucking device is retarded polarization-sma
2018-08-31T20:16:23 < englishman> what a waste of time
2018-08-31T20:16:37 < englishman> noob errors
2018-08-31T20:20:48 < Steffanx> What VNA?
2018-08-31T20:21:13 < kakimir> game of online chess anyone?
2018-08-31T20:21:25 < kakimir> I don't have friends
2018-08-31T20:21:31 < Steffanx> Pass.
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2018-08-31T20:53:14 < kakimir> recommend usb pd evaluation tools
2018-08-31T20:54:51 < kakimir> does 15" macbook require 90W of charging power?
2018-08-31T20:55:13 < kakimir> or does it charge even with 60W
2018-08-31T20:56:04 < kakimir> are usb-c devices resistant to wrong voltages being applied by PD?
2018-08-31T20:56:16 < kakimir> is it a requirement?
2018-08-31T20:57:09 < kakimir> if my usb pd implementation fucks up
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2018-08-31T21:04:55 < jpa-> AFAIK no, they aren't
2018-08-31T21:05:20 < kakimir> okay
2018-08-31T21:05:24 < kakimir> makes sense
2018-08-31T21:08:05 < jpa-> IMO it would have made sense to have just separate wires for 20V and 5V, but i guess they had their reasons
2018-08-31T21:08:18 < jpa-> it's very likely that chinese chargers will just output random voltages anyway
2018-08-31T21:10:00 < kakimir> https://www.st.com/en/interfaces-and-transceivers/stusb1602.html
2018-08-31T21:11:53 < kakimir> 600mA
2018-08-31T21:11:54 < kakimir> nah
2018-08-31T21:28:53 < englishman> hmm had a board come back that had qc passed
2018-08-31T21:28:58 < englishman> 0402 resistor cracked right in half
2018-08-31T21:29:08 < englishman> completely open
2018-08-31T21:33:29 < Steffanx> Your visual inspection would've noticed englishman ?
2018-08-31T21:33:40 < Steffanx> After seeing 1k of the same pcb
2018-08-31T21:33:52 < Steffanx> at the end of the day.
2018-08-31T21:34:26 < Steffanx> or isnt QC a thing in englishfab.
2018-08-31T21:36:14 < englishman> well it qc passed
2018-08-31T21:36:17 < englishman> so it broke sometime after
2018-08-31T21:36:41 < Steffanx> or the QC department missed it.
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2018-08-31T21:37:19 < sync> englishman: I had that happen before
2018-08-31T21:37:23 < englishman> automated check
2018-08-31T21:37:30 < sync> passed QC but after that the part failed
2018-08-31T21:37:33 < englishman> yeah
2018-08-31T21:37:49 < sync> ordered from the chinacloners?
2018-08-31T21:39:08 < englishman> i think it happened during assembly
2018-08-31T21:39:12 < englishman> cuz theres a second one
2018-08-31T21:39:50 < englishman> same resistor
2018-08-31T21:39:58 < sync> yeah, pnp crushing the parts
2018-08-31T21:40:02 < sync> we had that happen as well
2018-08-31T21:43:04 < Steffanx> due to a bad part, or just the pnp pushing it down too hard? A resistor isnt THAT easy to break(?)
2018-08-31T21:45:11 < sync> due to the machine pushing them down too hard
2018-08-31T21:45:26 < sync> it's just a piece of ceramic
2018-08-31T21:47:52 < qyx> interesting economy ranking - how much is bottle of vodka
2018-08-31T21:50:28 < Steffanx> what brand/make/type?
2018-08-31T21:51:03 < qyx> idk, there was a discussion about it
2018-08-31T21:51:05 < Steffanx> big mac index is much more clear i guess
2018-08-31T21:52:03 < qyx> karlp: speaking of allwinner, that thing in your link is quite neat
2018-08-31T21:52:14 < qyx> dram embedded on a chip
2018-08-31T21:52:56 < qyx> I saw the SAMA5D27 system-in-package the other day, it is very similar
2018-08-31T21:53:13 < qyx> you only need an external qspi fash or microsd or whatever to boot it
2018-08-31T21:55:39 < englishman> the price of a bottle of vodka has to do with taxes in most places
2018-08-31T21:56:18 < Steffanx> and that
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2018-08-31T21:58:33 < zyp> englishman, yeah, absolutely
2018-08-31T21:59:09 < zyp> costs around 400 NOK for 1L here, IIRC it cost 110 NOK on Svalbard when I went there
2018-08-31T21:59:59 < Steffanx> !c 400 NOK to us dollar
2018-08-31T22:00:01 < qyx> quick search on tesco shows 5-50e for 0.7L here
2018-08-31T22:00:32 < qyx> usually around 10-20
2018-08-31T22:01:08 < Steffanx> Here they want to tax/increase the price of beer. 20 euro for 24x0.3cl -_-
2018-08-31T22:01:13 < Steffanx> no more discounts and stuff
2018-08-31T22:01:27 < Steffanx> = 23 US dollar
2018-08-31T22:01:49 < Steffanx> and probably the stuff with more alcohol as well
2018-08-31T22:02:04 < qyx> idk what are the prices here, I don't drink
2018-08-31T22:02:12 < Steffanx> i dont drink that much either
2018-08-31T22:02:18 < Steffanx> so i dont really give a damn
2018-08-31T22:02:31 < zyp> ah, the tax rate that applies to vodka is 6.85 nok per percent of alcohol per liter
2018-08-31T22:02:39 < qyx> 0.5L lemon-beer in a alu-can is ~1e
2018-08-31T22:02:42 < Steffanx> except for the idea of a government to make stuff more expensive because its "bad"
2018-08-31T22:02:49 < zyp> so 1L of 40% pays 274 NOK in taxes
2018-08-31T22:03:04 < qyx> 0.70e sometimes
2018-08-31T22:03:22 < qyx> thats much
2018-08-31T22:03:25 < Steffanx> lol great zyp  :D
2018-08-31T22:03:27 < qyx> more than hald of the price
2018-08-31T22:03:37 < Steffanx> now i understand why you buy alcohol on your europe trips
2018-08-31T22:03:46 < zyp> ah, no, those were five years old numbers
2018-08-31T22:03:52 < zyp> rate is 7.58 now
2018-08-31T22:04:18 < Steffanx> so what theyll do is lie about the percentage?
2018-08-31T22:04:38 < zyp> I don't think that would work out very well
2018-08-31T22:05:09 < englishman> remember rob ford, mayor of toronto
2018-08-31T22:05:35 < englishman> his equally corrupt but less entertaining brother became the premier of ontario campaigning on his buck-a-beer promise
2018-08-31T22:06:01 < englishman> so take your $1 beer. and remember the price you could pay for it
2018-08-31T22:06:43 < zyp> normal store beer (4.7%) costs 22.07 NOK/L in fees
2018-08-31T22:06:57 < Steffanx> Hows the home brewing going englishman ? is the hops ready yet?
2018-08-31T22:07:00 < zyp> 11 NOK per 0.5L can
2018-08-31T22:07:05 < zyp> that's not too bad
2018-08-31T22:07:10 < englishman> steffy i will probably pick them this weekend
2018-08-31T22:07:16 < englishman> and pick up some brewing supplies tomorrow
2018-08-31T22:07:30 < englishman> for my kölsch recipe
2018-08-31T22:07:34 < Steffanx> is maple syrup beer a thing yet in canada?
2018-08-31T22:08:59 < Steffanx> stroopwafel beer is real.
2018-08-31T22:09:08 < englishman> unfortunately yes
2018-08-31T22:11:35 < zyp> also stroopwafel liquor: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/l3oJm.jpg
2018-08-31T22:15:00 < Steffanx> :)
2018-08-31T22:16:47 < kakimir> we have salmiakkikossu
2018-08-31T22:17:25 < zyp> licorice liquor?
2018-08-31T22:17:30 < zyp> got that here too
2018-08-31T22:17:51 < kakimir> https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YLXCnnXdKCo/Wlm1Ee4oT4I/AAAAAAAAi5o/QVpmwKrBLY0I5kWXbpKlRbsPDZnaQPnjQCLcBGAs/s1600/salmiakkikossu.JPG
2018-08-31T22:18:03 < kakimir> salty licorice
2018-08-31T22:18:12 < kakimir> = salmiakki
2018-08-31T22:19:08 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salty_liquorice
2018-08-31T22:19:17 < zyp> common in norway too
2018-08-31T22:20:37 < zyp> «The Dutch refer to it as "Zoute Drop" or even a variety called "Dubbel Zoute Drop" (double salted liquorice drops).»
2018-08-31T22:20:42 < zyp> saw that when I were in .nl
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2018-08-31T23:04:11 < karlp> qyx: sure, it's kinda neat, if it suits, but it's an old part from them, arm926, and cheap, but kinda a dead end path..
2018-08-31T23:48:04 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2ZibqM94bM music is required
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