--- Log opened Sat Dec 01 00:00:10 2018
2018-12-01T00:01:51 < malinus> I wish I've known about BKPT #imm, pretty usefull for when using assert or other non-recoverable errors.
2018-12-01T00:45:33 < Thorn> https://www.fastcompany.com/28121/they-write-right-stuff
2018-12-01T00:58:50 < mawk> eh there's a cubemx update
2018-12-01T00:59:34 < mawk> they say "complete graphical rework" in the change log but it's still using  ugly Java GUI widgets
2018-12-01T01:00:41 < malinus> mawk: it's just more confusing
2018-12-01T01:00:44 < malinus> imho
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2018-12-01T01:44:03 < englishman> Severe weather has delayed the package. It will be delivered as soon as conditions permit.
2018-12-01T01:44:08 < englishman> it was sunny and beautiful today
2018-12-01T01:44:10 < englishman> fucking UPS
2018-12-01T01:44:31 < Steffanx> it was a dark day that caused this.
2018-12-01T01:44:50 < englishman> severely nice weather
2018-12-01T01:45:03 < englishman> guess which major parts distributor it is coming from
2018-12-01T01:45:19 < englishman> that marked it as shipped FEDEX as i wanted and put a ups tracking number in the FEDEX TRACKING NUMBER field
2018-12-01T01:45:31 < Steffanx> must be WORRA.
2018-12-01T01:46:07 < Steffanx> was referring to black friday as the dark day. but arrow probably didnt do that
2018-12-01T01:46:36 < englishman> idk i didnt order anything on black friday
2018-12-01T01:46:55 < englishman> material goods give me no pleasure
2018-12-01T01:46:58 < englishman> samtec ruined that for me
2018-12-01T01:50:04 < Steffanx> itll be over soon
2018-12-01T01:54:13 < jadew> ffs, I have to ground my chair
2018-12-01T01:54:26 < jadew> (one of them)
2018-12-01T01:54:36 < jadew> it sparks every time I get up
2018-12-01T01:55:03 < jadew> I need one of those wireless anti-static bracelets
2018-12-01T01:56:21 < englishman> crt: is it grey
2018-12-01T02:00:00 < Steffanx> Very dark grey
2018-12-01T02:03:13 < englishman> that was quick
2018-12-01T02:03:17 < englishman> what will you name him?
2018-12-01T02:03:34 < Steffanx> Billy.
2018-12-01T02:03:48 < englishman> billy is taken
2018-12-01T02:04:02 < Steffanx> Billy is gone. So the name is free
2018-12-01T02:04:36 < Steffanx> Billy the Kit
2018-12-01T02:08:15 < sync> billy mays
2018-12-01T02:08:35 < Steffanx> He should call it Catacipor.
2018-12-01T02:08:43 < englishman> wow spaceshiptwo is still a thing
2018-12-01T02:09:00 < Steffanx> Or ctcpr
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2018-12-01T02:15:07 < Thorn> SFIA Monthly Livestream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tKAggEBHAw
2018-12-01T02:19:02 < englishman> phishing links in video description
2018-12-01T02:20:17 < englishman> hmm no
2018-12-01T02:20:24 < englishman> something jacking my dns
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2018-12-01T02:47:30 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzaXw2ztCqU conan in japan
2018-12-01T03:01:10 < invzim> https://www.ebay.com/itm/111839278916
2018-12-01T03:01:17  * invzim just ordered one
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2018-12-01T03:02:34 < englishman> neat
2018-12-01T03:03:09 < invzim> Ganssle seal of approval, http://www.ganssle.com/tem/tem362.html#article2
2018-12-01T03:05:01 < jadew> invzim, got that?
2018-12-01T03:05:24 < invzim> 02:01  * invzim just ordered one
2018-12-01T03:05:38 < jadew> ah
2018-12-01T03:05:49 < jadew> missed that
2018-12-01T03:06:22 < invzim> Not that I *need* it, but will be nice to see if my fancy mm is up to snuff
2018-12-01T03:06:38 < invzim> not that I really need a fancy mm either, but it's kind of a thing you should have :)
2018-12-01T03:06:39 < jadew> what dmm do you want to calibrate?
2018-12-01T03:07:03 < invzim> none really, hope they're ok :)
2018-12-01T03:07:06 < jadew> I made my own reference a while ago, just to track how my DMMs evolve
2018-12-01T03:07:32 < invzim> got a SDM3055 which I use all the time, love to have it on my bench and ready to go
2018-12-01T03:07:55 < invzim> also got a fluke 17b+ which I don't use so much, and a few crap ones I never use
2018-12-01T03:09:38 < jadew> the problem with that reference is that you don't know if the meter it was measured with was calibrated
2018-12-01T03:10:26 < jadew> btw, calibration doesn't mean adjustment, so even if your meters are fine, it would still be called calibration if you measured their accuracy and recorded the data
2018-12-01T03:13:48 < jadew> the reference I built only has one output voltage
2018-12-01T03:14:11 < jadew> not as useful I guess
2018-12-01T03:16:12 < invzim> https://irkenlabs.com/images/news/jvspacrev15.JPG
2018-12-01T03:16:21 < invzim> assembled 60 of these, PTH is a PITA.  40 to go..
2018-12-01T03:17:26 < jadew> I wonder if you could use those pots of melted solder to do all the through hole components at once
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2018-12-01T03:17:53 < Ultrasauce> you just invented wave soldering
2018-12-01T03:17:56 < invzim> I'm forking it out to China, damn the costs even if they are high
2018-12-01T03:17:56 < jadew> maybe if you apply flux before touching the solder
2018-12-01T03:18:02 < jadew> Ultrasauce, yeah, but at home
2018-12-01T03:18:10 < englishman> and also table soldering
2018-12-01T03:18:26 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/Se885Ue.jpg
2018-12-01T03:18:27 < englishman> like dis
2018-12-01T03:18:39 < jadew> hah
2018-12-01T03:18:50 < jadew> so it works
2018-12-01T03:18:56 < englishman> of course
2018-12-01T03:19:12 < jadew> I was afraid it wouldn't stick
2018-12-01T03:19:15 < englishman> china wasnt around in the 70s to solder all those leads for you
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2018-12-01T03:32:28 < sync> jadew: the trick is, you buy a surplus wave soldering machine
2018-12-01T03:33:16 < jadew> that should be directed at invzim, but I'm not sure it's worth doing it yourself
2018-12-01T03:33:31 < jadew> unless you're trying to protect IP
2018-12-01T03:33:52 < jadew> otherwise, china does through hole fairly cheap
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2018-12-01T03:34:22 < englishman> tribes was released 20 years ago today
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2018-12-01T03:52:55 < Laurenceb124> sup
2018-12-01T03:53:03 < Laurenceb124> wew I can talk... for now
2018-12-01T03:54:22 < Laurenceb124> sup crt
2018-12-01T03:54:41 < Laurenceb124> I have been getting b& from literally everywhere and doing CE documentation, funtimes
2018-12-01T03:54:49 < Laurenceb124> yeah
2018-12-01T03:55:21 < Laurenceb124> I can still post on 8chan using tor but they seem to have blocked all my sealposting bots, and I'm permab& from 4chan
2018-12-01T03:55:45 < Laurenceb124> spamming every chan with pictures of seals 24/7
2018-12-01T03:57:32 < Laurenceb124> of course
2018-12-01T03:57:59 < Laurenceb124> next week I do EMC testing, finally some actual work
2018-12-01T03:58:47 < Laurenceb124> probably cuz I'd been b& :(
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2018-12-01T04:41:04 < Hamilton> :D
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2018-12-01T08:01:29 < bitmask> how do you choose thermal relief pad criss crossy size
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2018-12-01T08:17:25 < bitmask> yes? it depends what you're trying to achieve
2018-12-01T08:30:13 < bitmask> yea, the cross legs, the 4 conduction paths, I thought my description was perfect :P
2018-12-01T08:32:47 < bitmask> I'll just overestimate with 4A per pad so a tracewidth of 100 mil / 3 actual connections =~30 mil
2018-12-01T08:44:25 < dongs> bitmask: you dont
2018-12-01T08:44:29 < dongs> stencil place will do it for you
2018-12-01T08:44:38 < dongs> or you follow manufacturer recomendation
2018-12-01T08:44:54 < dongs> oh what
2018-12-01T08:44:55 < dongs> neer mind
2018-12-01T08:45:01 < dongs> bitmask: 12mil
2018-12-01T08:45:03 < dongs> done
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2018-12-01T08:45:12 < bitmask> how much current is that good for?
2018-12-01T08:45:19 < dongs> doesn't matter
2018-12-01T08:45:28 < dongs> dn't have anythign that needs current going through them
2018-12-01T08:45:36 < dongs> or increase on a case bycase basis
2018-12-01T08:46:25 < bitmask> well these are for 2-3A I wouldn't call it high current by any means but its more than say logic
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2018-12-01T08:46:48 < dongs> why do you need to send it through a via
2018-12-01T08:46:50 < dongs> err
2018-12-01T08:46:53 < dongs>  through a thermal pad
2018-12-01T08:47:00 < dongs> make those things connect directly.
2018-12-01T08:47:26 < bitmask> oh, altium did it automatically, and reading about it made it seem like hand soldering was difficult without them
2018-12-01T08:47:50 < bitmask> its for through hole jst connectors
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2018-12-01T10:22:37 < Getty> Cracki: always fascinating that comic sans is still a thing in those product descriptions.....
2018-12-01T10:23:12 < Getty> you practical need a fax machine to get the memo about comic sans being outdated, that might explain it :D
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2018-12-01T14:45:38 < Getty> but at least its not comic sans............. <badumtss>
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2018-12-01T15:23:00 < kakimir> invzim: is it any good?
2018-12-01T15:23:10 < kakimir> I need one
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2018-12-01T15:27:56 < kakimir> I don't quite like the concept of mcu controlled voltage level though
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2018-12-01T16:04:24 < aandrew> so... was it just me or did we get denied ddos king last night
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2018-12-01T17:05:58 < kakimir> electric previa http://packages.8dromeda.net/evprevia/gallery/
2018-12-01T17:07:41 < kakimir> englishman: you can see how drive unit is splitted
2018-12-01T17:08:17 < englishman> yea, I saw some YouTube teardown a while back
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2018-12-01T17:10:43 < kakimir> hammond boxes are bolted to silicone seals of power connectors
2018-12-01T17:11:32 < kakimir> only point of the motor and inverter that is not sealed unless driveunit is whole is that pass throught of power terminals
2018-12-01T17:18:22 < jadew> kakimir, that ebay reference probably uses the MCU to trigger the strobe input of the reference IC
2018-12-01T17:18:45 < jadew> which outputs those voltages on a single pin (IIRC)
2018-12-01T17:19:27 < jadew> so I don't think it the MCU will affect the output at all
2018-12-01T17:20:05 < jadew> hmm, maybe not
2018-12-01T17:20:52 < jadew> yeah, ignore that
2018-12-01T17:21:24 < kakimir> I mean I don't like concept that there is not something mechanical to restrict change of voltage
2018-12-01T17:21:29 < jadew> wth is the strobe pin for?
2018-12-01T17:21:49 < jadew> kakimir, well, it might be more reliable like this
2018-12-01T17:22:18 < kakimir> also probs forgets voltage when power is cycled
2018-12-01T17:22:28 < kakimir> worst case sets 10volts
2018-12-01T17:22:37 < jadew> heh
2018-12-01T17:23:53 < kakimir> https://www.ebay.com/itm/AD584-2-5V-5V-7-5V-10V-High-Precision-Voltage-Reference-Module-Reference-Sources/263056184562 hey look
2018-12-01T17:23:58 < kakimir> my favourit connectors
2018-12-01T17:24:08 < mawk> where can I find the thunderbolt 3 specs ?
2018-12-01T17:24:12 < mawk> intel said they would open source it
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2018-12-01T17:29:23 < kakimir> I don't quite like the idea that such reference has some probs cheap ass buck regulator in it
2018-12-01T17:30:13 < kakimir> there is something wrong with their information page
2018-12-01T17:34:17 < jpa-> hm, i don't think it has any SMPS in it, that looks like just a pi filter
2018-12-01T17:36:21 < jpa-> but SMA seems like a stupid connector choice there
2018-12-01T17:36:52 < jadew> someone will think it's a good idea and will buy it
2018-12-01T17:38:55 < jpa-> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51ZotBNy3PL.jpg   but it's stupid also in other ways
2018-12-01T17:39:12 < jpa-> U1 is 78M12, they're driving AD584 at 12V while the specs require 15V
2018-12-01T17:39:47 < jpa-> and D1 power led ground connection goes to the SMA connector, just so that you can get a few extra microvolts of drop over that unnecessarily thin ground trace
2018-12-01T17:40:29 < jadew> lol, you're right
2018-12-01T17:42:51 < jpa-> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51iTlecSxbL.jpg  i wonder why they didn't just fill the whole bottom section with gnd
2018-12-01T17:43:47 < jadew> probably to increase the thermal resistance
2018-12-01T17:44:08 < jpa-> i wonder whether that is good or bad :P
2018-12-01T17:44:18 < jadew> yeah, me too
2018-12-01T17:45:01 < jadew> on one hand it makes the component more isolated
2018-12-01T17:45:17 < jadew> on the other hand it makes the component more isolated, so it's more susceptible to temperature variations
2018-12-01T17:45:35 < jadew> the ground plane would have acted like a thermal capacitor
2018-12-01T17:45:53 < jadew> takes a while to charge, but when it's charged, it stops some of the noise
2018-12-01T17:48:00 < jadew> I've seen a lot of crap like this on similar boards
2018-12-01T17:48:16 < englishman> mawk: im pretty sure intel never said that
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2018-12-01T17:48:37 < englishman> royalty-free doesnt mean 0 cost or vetting
2018-12-01T17:48:46 < mawk> I just browsed google headlines
2018-12-01T17:49:06 < mawk> stuff like "Intel will open-release Thunderbolt 3 interface spec in 2018"
2018-12-01T17:49:17 < mawk> well not open source it yeah
2018-12-01T17:49:27 < mawk> but I take "open release" as offering a pdf somewhere at least
2018-12-01T17:50:04 < englishman> "a non-exclusive, royalty-free licence"
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2018-12-01T18:40:19 < kakimir> hello laurencer
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2018-12-01T18:48:41 < Laurenceb124> sup
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2018-12-01T19:19:31 < kakimir> teach me your skills
2018-12-01T19:43:26 < jadew> there's something extremely satisfying about writing a small piece of code that scratches a long-time itch
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2018-12-01T19:46:26 < veverak> true to that
2018-12-01T19:46:38 < veverak> jadew: I know something even better
2018-12-01T19:46:40 < veverak> removing code
2018-12-01T19:46:41 < veverak> :)
2018-12-01T19:47:14 < jadew> don't know about that, I collect everything, just in case
2018-12-01T19:47:28 < jadew> whenever I delete something I'm always second guessing myself
2018-12-01T19:47:39 < jadew> not when refactoring my own code tho
2018-12-01T19:48:10 < jadew> but whenever I had to deal with other people's stuff, it always felt weird to trash their work
2018-12-01T19:49:25 < jadew> well, now all I have to do is remember what I was doing in the first place
2018-12-01T19:49:46 < jadew> because this detour had nothing to do with what I was originally doing
2018-12-01T19:52:50 < veverak> jadew: that seems that you react more based on emotion, than reasonable decision
2018-12-01T19:53:01 < veverak> and I strictly believe in KISS philosophy
2018-12-01T19:53:18 < veverak> so when I see that part of the codebase is not necessary / can be made much simpler - off it goes
2018-12-01T19:53:47 < veverak> => codebase should be as big as it needs to be, no bigger, no smaller :)
2018-12-01T19:55:04 < veverak> and it's not like I do this whenever I can, I only do it when I have high confidence that the code is not necessary
2018-12-01T20:00:44 < jadew> it's not about emotion
2018-12-01T20:00:55 < jadew> it's about being bitten in the ass in the past and remembering the lesson
2018-12-01T20:01:52 < jadew> also, when you're trashing other people's work you become the shithead who threw away what they did in the past week or so
2018-12-01T20:02:09 < jadew> not a great position to be in
2018-12-01T20:03:10 < veverak> why?
2018-12-01T20:03:12 < veverak> :D
2018-12-01T20:03:42 < veverak> jadew: what is the problem? you do have some versioning system I suppose...
2018-12-01T20:07:23 < jpa-> git revert does not fix social problems :P
2018-12-01T20:08:01 < jpa-> i guess what jadew is saying is that it can be a bad idea to go deleting other people's code, even if it is not necessary and even if it could be restored from history
2018-12-01T20:09:48 < veverak> I know
2018-12-01T20:10:17 < veverak> thing is, I hate when social correctness stands in a way of development of code
2018-12-01T20:10:27 < veverak> hence, I call bullshit on this one
2018-12-01T20:11:16 < veverak> of course deleting something and calling the original author names/being rude is bad
2018-12-01T20:11:47 < veverak> it's just that "I deleted the code for X as it is no longer necessary" is something that _should_ be OK
2018-12-01T20:13:14 < mawk> it's not ok
2018-12-01T20:13:18 < mawk> people are fragile, veverak 
2018-12-01T20:14:14 < mawk> when you're in a position to delete code you want to be gentle with your colleagues if you don't want to be viewed as an evil manager playing the game of the evil capitalist satan
2018-12-01T20:14:33 < veverak> I am gentle, I gently tell them it was not necessary <delete>
2018-12-01T20:14:45 < veverak> but it should not stop the person from hitting <delete>
2018-12-01T20:16:08 < veverak> "gentle" behavior should be only in the way you administer the deletion, in any way it should not stop person from deleting something
2018-12-01T20:17:52 < veverak> mawk: so again, deleting uncessary code is OK and if somebody makes it personal, well, than he simply should stop acting childish and deal with it...
2018-12-01T20:18:39 < Steffanx> At least explain the why
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2018-12-01T20:19:46 < veverak> but of course :)
2018-12-01T20:20:57 < Steffanx> Not like a colleague of mine. Discuss how/what to implement, you do it. And then he desided to do it all over totally different.
2018-12-01T20:21:09 < Steffanx> Fuck that.
2018-12-01T20:21:32 < Steffanx> In his own time.
2018-12-01T20:21:37 < veverak> yep, but that is not gentle/reasonable administration of deletion, which I told is necessary
2018-12-01T20:21:48 < Steffanx> :)
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2018-12-01T20:22:58 < Steffanx> Welcome MrMobius
2018-12-01T20:24:11 < jadew> veverak, programmers are not reasonable people
2018-12-01T20:24:40 < jadew> if you imply that their code is bad, they'll be offended
2018-12-01T20:24:54 < veverak> fuck them than
2018-12-01T20:25:32 < veverak> I am for good manners when dealing with people, but if I reasonably explain that the code is bad and the person is offended, well fuck him
2018-12-01T20:25:45 < jadew> the only thing you can do is ask them to make it work a certain way and let the change come from that
2018-12-01T20:26:06 < veverak> nope?
2018-12-01T20:26:25 < jadew> yeah, that's not how it works
2018-12-01T20:26:39 < jadew> you can do that, but then you end up with someone who won't be happy working with you
2018-12-01T20:27:07 < veverak> at that point I am not happy working with him anyway
2018-12-01T20:27:09 < jadew> he'll then stop enjoying what he's doing and produce even worse code
2018-12-01T20:27:31 < veverak> which is something that his problem really
2018-12-01T20:28:15 < jadew> if you're working that close with him already, it's going to be your problem too
2018-12-01T20:29:39 < veverak> if hi got problem with hearing that he has done bad job
2018-12-01T20:29:48 < veverak> he is not good part of a team anyway
2018-12-01T20:29:55 < jadew> everyone has a problem with that
2018-12-01T20:30:21 < veverak> of course, but not everyone has problem handling it 
2018-12-01T20:30:26 < jadew> I think programmers have a bigger problem than other people because it's a more involved process
2018-12-01T20:30:33 < veverak> bullshit
2018-12-01T20:30:34 < veverak> :)
2018-12-01T20:31:55 < Steffanx> Programmers always complain about other programmers's code.
2018-12-01T20:32:06 < Steffanx> and in the end they also complain about their own
2018-12-01T20:32:46 < veverak> basic thing about being good about osmething, is the abillity to take criticism when you fail
2018-12-01T20:33:11 < Steffanx> As long as it's constructive im ok with it :P
2018-12-01T20:33:25 < veverak> somehow I feel that something is wrong when I have to say that loud... because I believe that is basic knowledge and should be obvious
2018-12-01T20:33:30 < veverak> Steffanx: which I was saying is necessary
2018-12-01T20:34:06 < veverak> and tbh when somebody has problem with constructive criticisim, both of us should not be on the same team anyway
2018-12-01T20:36:23 < jadew> programming is like a belief system
2018-12-01T20:36:35 < jadew> if you tell someone his way of doing it is wrong, you're in for a fight
2018-12-01T20:37:10 < jadew> not sure why that is, but it probably has to do with the fact that it requires so much thinking and it creates thinking patterns in our brains
2018-12-01T20:37:19 < Steffanx> Nah i disagree
2018-12-01T20:37:22 < veverak> wat
2018-12-01T20:37:40 < Steffanx> I wouldnt be able to work with someone like that
2018-12-01T20:37:52 < veverak> me neither
2018-12-01T20:37:56 < jadew> it's just an observation, but whenever I attacked someone's way of doing things, they were extremely deffensive
2018-12-01T20:38:05 < veverak> maybe you said it in wrong way?
2018-12-01T20:38:07 < veverak> :)
2018-12-01T20:38:09 < jadew> we are averse to change
2018-12-01T20:38:13 < veverak> not really
2018-12-01T20:38:14 < jadew> and changing the way we think it's hard
2018-12-01T20:38:21 < veverak> it is
2018-12-01T20:38:31 < veverak> but not impossible, nor it is bad to hear criticism
2018-12-01T20:38:55 < jadew> also, I'm not saying it's pleasant or easy to deal with people in this manner, but it's necessary if you want to have a good environment at work
2018-12-01T20:38:58 < jadew> anyway, ttyl
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2018-12-01T20:39:02 < veverak> jadew: if you criticse somebody in a wrong way, he gets deffensive, hence the problems
2018-12-01T20:39:04 < veverak> no
2018-12-01T20:39:06 < veverak> that's bullshit 
2018-12-01T20:39:28 < veverak> jadew: to have good envrionment requires honesty, to have honesty you need to be able to tell constructive criticism
2018-12-01T20:39:51 < veverak> and hear it
2018-12-01T20:40:05 < jadew> you're not marrying them tho
2018-12-01T20:40:09 < veverak> environment where you can't tell that something is wrong is not a 'good' environment
2018-12-01T20:40:28 < veverak> I fail to see how that is connected to marriage :)
2018-12-01T20:40:35 < jadew> "honesty"
2018-12-01T20:40:55 < jadew> you have to work with what you're given
2018-12-01T20:41:13 < jadew> I have to run
2018-12-01T20:41:15 < jadew> ttyl
2018-12-01T20:41:15 < veverak> no, you don't, you only _have_ to die
2018-12-01T20:41:18 < veverak> :)
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2018-12-01T20:41:51 < veverak> and if what I've got is bullshit, I call it bullshit, and it's not excuse to avoid doing what is right
2018-12-01T20:41:56 < Steffanx> and pay taxes.
2018-12-01T20:42:00 < veverak> oh, yeah, that one
2018-12-01T20:42:03 < veverak> Steffanx: well...
2018-12-01T20:42:09 < veverak> Steffanx: let's say you have to...
2018-12-01T20:42:11 < veverak> :)
2018-12-01T20:42:18 < Steffanx> :P
2018-12-01T20:44:09 < veverak> nah
2018-12-01T20:44:35 < veverak> they should put dongs on jadew team, that could show them what can be done :)
2018-12-01T20:44:37  * veverak hides
2018-12-01T20:44:39 < Steffanx> jadew is self-employed for a good reason :P
2018-12-01T20:44:46 < Steffanx> so is dongs
2018-12-01T20:44:54 < veverak> boring than :/
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2018-12-01T20:45:12 < jpa-> being self-employed doesn't mean that one wouldn't have teammates, though
2018-12-01T20:45:34 < Steffanx> true, and perhaps its even easier to chose em
2018-12-01T20:45:48 < veverak> I think I would actually like being with dongs in one team, not sure he would like tbh
2018-12-01T20:45:49 < jpa-> not really
2018-12-01T20:45:54  * veverak using VIM, linux, kicad and C++...
2018-12-01T20:46:56 < Steffanx> yeah youre going ot have a hard time
2018-12-01T20:47:38 < veverak> :)
2018-12-01T20:48:31 < Steffanx> so hows the employement going jpa-
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2018-12-01T20:48:59 < jpa-> Steffanx: same old, same old
2018-12-01T20:49:44 < Steffanx> hmm, boring then
2018-12-01T20:50:01 < jpa-> yeah, nothing exciting
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2018-12-01T20:53:07 < Steffanx> time for more essential scrap then, jpa-
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2018-12-01T20:53:46 < jpa-> my time seems to be disappearing somewhere nowadays
2018-12-01T21:00:32 < Steffanx> hm
2018-12-01T21:00:43 < mawk> because of the lack of daylight jpa- 
2018-12-01T21:00:47 < Steffanx> Get out of bed a bit earlier 
2018-12-01T21:00:52 < mawk> invest in artificial sun light bulbs
2018-12-01T21:01:04 < Steffanx> jpa- does need daylight, he has a wake up light
2018-12-01T21:01:43 < Steffanx> hows your yellow jacket thing mawk?
2018-12-01T21:02:00 < jpa-> we have a huge amount of light, when looking from the outside our apartment is always the brightest on the block :P
2018-12-01T21:02:50 < Steffanx> but thats because you are such sunshine 
2018-12-01T21:03:01 < veverak> :D
2018-12-01T21:04:30 < englishman> wow
2018-12-01T21:05:18 < Steffanx> was it samtec?
2018-12-01T21:05:22 < Steffanx> or wow arrow?
2018-12-01T21:05:36 < mawk> it's going well Steffanx 
2018-12-01T21:05:44 < mawk> but now scum overtook the yellow jackets
2018-12-01T21:05:51 < mawk> if you check out live streams on RT or something
2018-12-01T21:06:12 < mawk> and the french govt is exploiting the fact that the scum are burning down police cars to say it's the far right who's responsible
2018-12-01T21:06:12 < mawk> lol
2018-12-01T21:06:39 < mawk> the far-right communist-voting suburban youth
2018-12-01T21:07:14 < Steffanx> heh.
2018-12-01T21:07:19 < Steffanx> its anywhere close to you?
2018-12-01T21:07:26 < englishman> good thing they are not protesting in tourist season
2018-12-01T21:07:39 < mawk> yeah I'm near to one of the centers
2018-12-01T21:07:52 < mawk> but the biggest is happening at the champs-élysées near the presidential palace
2018-12-01T21:10:22 < mawk> it all started from a simple online petition to say no to the rise on gasoline tax
2018-12-01T21:10:29 < mawk> it's interesting
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2018-12-01T21:10:59 < mawk> the petition text was ending with "and put a yellow jacket under your windshield in sign of friendship for middle-class drivers like us"
2018-12-01T21:11:10 < mawk> so the yellow jacket thing came from that
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2018-12-01T21:12:02 < mawk> but any spark would have done it, the original sin of Macron was to delete the exceptional tax on the high fortunes, I think
2018-12-01T21:12:10 < Steffanx> in dutchland we also had a yellow jacket gathering.
2018-12-01T21:12:21 < mawk> and at the same time raise various taxes for middle-class
2018-12-01T21:12:25 < Steffanx> locally a whopping number of 15 people gathered :D
2018-12-01T21:12:36 < mawk> lol
2018-12-01T21:12:40 < BrainDamage> here a yellow jacket is a type of wasps
2018-12-01T21:12:52 < BrainDamage> so that would be a really weird thing to do
2018-12-01T21:13:29 < mawk> there are two deaths for now
2018-12-01T21:13:48 < mawk> yellow jacket protesters got ran over by angry drivers that wanted to pass the stopping point
2018-12-01T21:14:24 < mawk> surveillance footage show one of the death happening after a woman voluntarily hit the gas pedal with a protester in front of her
2018-12-01T21:14:33 < mawk> so she's being charged with voluntary homicide
2018-12-01T21:15:11 < mawk> or manslaughter as you english say
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2018-12-01T21:17:53 < englishman> yeah idk if you know but yellowjacket = guêpe mr mawk
2018-12-01T21:18:56 < englishman> occupy baguette street
2018-12-01T21:19:08 < mawk> I thought wasp was that big scary cousin of guêpes
2018-12-01T21:19:19 < mawk> but it's hornet actually
2018-12-01T21:19:23 < mawk> I mistaked the two
2018-12-01T21:19:51 < mawk> there's at least one baguette street in France englishman 
2018-12-01T21:19:54 < mawk> in a town called Compiègne
2018-12-01T21:20:01 < mawk> where's there's the best public uni of all country
2018-12-01T21:20:09 < mawk> UTC or something
2018-12-01T21:20:20 < englishman> in montreal, there are many rue barré
2018-12-01T21:21:13 < mawk> barré is the name of a french humorist that got fired from public radio because he called for abstention during the Macron election
2018-12-01T21:23:35 < mawk> "between the pest and the cholera, choose nothing !"
2018-12-01T21:23:45 < englishman> ca sonne qu'il est «mets des lunettes de soleil» barré
2018-12-01T21:24:02 < mawk> the adversary of macron was that far-right woman, and thanks to the wonderful 2-turns no-blanks-counted election of france not voting for one amounts to voting for the other
2018-12-01T21:24:17 < mawk> so people feel compelled to have the "utilitary vote" and vote for the least bad c
2018-12-01T21:24:20 < mawk> candidate
2018-12-01T21:24:29 < mawk> and not voting for the least bad gets you labelled as fascist
2018-12-01T21:24:46 < mawk> even the crypto-communist leader that called for blanks got accused of being far-right loving
2018-12-01T22:13:25 < Streaker> .
2018-12-01T22:13:55 < Steffanx> ..
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2018-12-01T23:00:40 < invzim> he, jlcpcb has NO IDEA what a credit note is
2018-12-01T23:03:25 < englishman> why would jlcpcb need to issue one?
2018-12-01T23:07:41 < invzim> cancelled order -> cc refund -> currency difference
2018-12-01T23:07:43 < invzim> accounting
2018-12-01T23:09:25 < invzim> the original charge and refund doesn't perfectly zero each other out, so I need records for what happened
2018-12-01T23:12:38 < Steffanx> Contact your CC company?
2018-12-01T23:13:08 < zyp> just attach the original invoice on the refund transaction in your accounting system
2018-12-01T23:13:10 < Steffanx> idk how shit like hits works :P
2018-12-01T23:13:28 < zyp> just documentation requirements for proper accounting
2018-12-01T23:13:36 < zyp> doesn't matter much, nobody is gonna review it :p
2018-12-01T23:13:39 < invzim> it's a minimal delta, took the stripe screenshot they gave me + saved email as pdf and attached it
2018-12-01T23:13:56 < zyp> yeah, it's not worth overdoing
2018-12-01T23:14:21 < zyp> unless the tax office decides to audit you, nobody cares about those records .p
2018-12-01T23:14:40 < zyp> s/cares about/are even going to look at/
2018-12-01T23:14:50 < invzim> and IF they audit me, I don't think they will care about inproper documentations for 2NOK
2018-12-01T23:14:56 < zyp> exactly
2018-12-01T23:18:42 < Steffanx> and even if they do care, is easy to explain right?
2018-12-01T23:18:46 < englishman> what if the difference was to your benefit, would they have to refund you more?
2018-12-01T23:19:31 < englishman> did you pay in usd via cc conversion
2018-12-01T23:19:54 < invzim> yup, usd - bank did they currency conversion
2018-12-01T23:20:01 < invzim> the
2018-12-01T23:20:16 < englishman> so nothing to do with jlcpbc?
2018-12-01T23:20:27 < invzim> except the refund, no
2018-12-01T23:20:41 < zyp> they just need to document the refund
2018-12-01T23:20:42 < jadew> isn't this stuff supposed to revert fees and all that too?
2018-12-01T23:20:46 < zyp> i.e. a receipt for the refund
2018-12-01T23:20:54 < invzim> zyp got the idea :)
2018-12-01T23:21:04 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-7
2018-12-01T23:21:06 < zyp> I'm familiar with accounting requirements :)
2018-12-01T23:22:12 < zyp> invzim, did you get MVA registered yet?
2018-12-01T23:22:17 < invzim> zyp: yup
2018-12-01T23:22:21 < zyp> nice
2018-12-01T23:22:45 < invzim> it's nice, they owe ME money now as I have no Norwegian sales
2018-12-01T23:22:48 < Steffanx> time to wait for senpai to tell a serious company wouldnt use jlcpcb :P
2018-12-01T23:23:01  * invzim is not a serious company :)
2018-12-01T23:23:05 < zyp> invzim, yeah
2018-12-01T23:23:27 < jadew> what's this MVA thing?
2018-12-01T23:23:29 < jadew> VAT?
2018-12-01T23:23:31 < zyp> VAT
2018-12-01T23:23:32 < invzim> yes
2018-12-01T23:23:51 < jadew> so if you sell your stuff outside of the country they give you money back?
2018-12-01T23:23:57 < zyp> yes
2018-12-01T23:24:01 < jadew> that's great
2018-12-01T23:24:13 < jadew> I'm not VAT registered, maybe I should become
2018-12-01T23:24:18 < invzim> and for imports, you don't get ass-raped by DHL
2018-12-01T23:24:24 < zyp> well, technically it doesn't have anything to do with sales
2018-12-01T23:24:47 < zyp> the point is you get VAT refunded for all purchases
2018-12-01T23:25:04 < invzim> things will probably get massively more complicated by 2021 when EU starts with their VAT thingie
2018-12-01T23:25:09 < zyp> and VAT is not due on exports
2018-12-01T23:26:09 < zyp> invzim, uh, what thing?
2018-12-01T23:26:27 < invzim> foreign entity will pay EU VAT directly
2018-12-01T23:26:35 < zyp> ah
2018-12-01T23:26:48 < jadew> what does that mean exactly?
2018-12-01T23:26:58 < zyp> rate will depend on recipient country then?
2018-12-01T23:27:22 < zyp> I thought the point of EU VAT was that sellers country sets the rate
2018-12-01T23:27:45 < invzim> guess so, if you're in Germany and buy stuff from US amazon, US amazon will collect german VAT or something to that effect
2018-12-01T23:28:16 < jadew> could be better when you're a buyer
2018-12-01T23:28:29 < jadew> sounds like an insane thing to deal with if you're a small seller
2018-12-01T23:28:43 < jadew> maybe it's optional?
2018-12-01T23:28:54 < jadew> as a service provided to you by the seller?
2018-12-01T23:30:05 < jadew> I rather like not being VAT registered (makes sense for me)
2018-12-01T23:30:27 < zyp> over here you don't get to choose
2018-12-01T23:30:42 < zyp> you need to register if you have sales for over 50k NOK in a year
2018-12-01T23:30:57 < jadew> here it's 60k euro
2018-12-01T23:31:08 < invzim> "The existing relief from VAT on consignments imported into the EU from outside the EU with a value of less than €22 will be abolished in 2021. However, where distance sales of goods imported into the EU are facilitated by an electronic marketplace including platforms or portals and have an intrinsic value of €150 or below, the marketplace operator will be liable to pay the VAT in the EU country where the customer is located.  Where the €150 th
2018-12-01T23:31:46 < zyp> that is pretty optional, yes
2018-12-01T23:32:18 < invzim> so expect ebay/aliexpress & friends to implement this
2018-12-01T23:32:25 < zyp> yes
2018-12-01T23:33:20 < jadew> what happens with intra-communitary sales?
2018-12-01T23:33:27 < jadew> who gets the VAT?
2018-12-01T23:33:34 < jadew> the buyer's country or the seller's?
2018-12-01T23:33:59 < zyp> still seller, I guess
2018-12-01T23:34:58 < jadew> then why are we paying for shit importend from outside the EU? they don't have VAT
2018-12-01T23:36:25 < jadew> I think VAT is a tax on a country's buyers, which is why when you sell to customers outside of the EU, they don't have to pay VAT
2018-12-01T23:37:27 < jadew> so it would make sense to require sellers within the EU to charge for VAT based on the billing country
2018-12-01T23:38:18 < invzim> jadew: it's tax, it's not suppose to make sense.  The purpose is to fund the state, and simply sending you an invoice would not work as the amount on it would mean people would protest
2018-12-01T23:38:37 < jadew> heh, true
2018-12-01T23:38:54 < jadew> afk
2018-12-01T23:39:50 < zyp> I got an invoice for 22k NOK the other day
2018-12-01T23:40:12 < zyp> just fees, for the city
2018-12-01T23:40:27 < invzim> bet it didn't say thank you for your contribution to society :)
2018-12-01T23:40:48 < zyp> no, it's connection fees for water and sewer
2018-12-01T23:42:46 < Steffanx> Wut.
2018-12-01T23:43:00 < Steffanx> 2.2k euro :o
2018-12-01T23:43:14 < zyp> yeah
2018-12-01T23:43:28 < Steffanx> Or is that incl. the actual work to get you connected?
2018-12-01T23:43:38 < Thorn> tax invoices should come with a breakdown: $X due including: $A to the police, $B to healthcare, $C to the parliament etc.
2018-12-01T23:43:41 < zyp> and a couple of months I paid them 17k NOK to approve the paperwork for my house
2018-12-01T23:43:45 < zyp> Steffanx, nah, just fees
2018-12-01T23:43:48 < Steffanx> Yay
2018-12-01T23:44:07 < zyp> it's a fixed fee that anybody has to pay when getting hooked up
2018-12-01T23:44:13 < Steffanx> That changes so often, no thank you Thorn 
2018-12-01T23:45:05 < Steffanx> Just to have them enter your name in some application 
2018-12-01T23:45:45 < Steffanx> *register
2018-12-01T23:45:57 < zyp> Thorn, my yearly tax statement has a breakdown on how much goes to the city and country
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2018-12-02T01:34:58 < jadew> does anyone have an eyepiece micrometer on their inspection microscope?
2018-12-02T01:35:26 < jadew> I'm not sure what I need, but I want to be able to measure stuff
2018-12-02T01:37:50 < Thorn> buy a stuffmeter
2018-12-02T01:38:14 < jadew> already got one of those
2018-12-02T01:40:51 < jadew> I need to measure something now, but would be nice to have one for the future
2018-12-02T01:46:38 < jadew> seems like most of the ones available are for a 19mm inner diameter eyepiece
2018-12-02T01:46:54 < jadew> found one
2018-12-02T01:47:31 < jadew> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-24mm-Microscope-Eyepiece-Graticule-Measuring-Glass-Micrometer/221775726972
2018-12-02T02:00:56 < jadew> hey
2018-12-02T02:12:13 < jadew> can you give cats away like that?
2018-12-02T02:12:19 < jadew> don't they come back?
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2018-12-02T03:19:01 < jadew> wth is that? http://86.121.142.214/stuff/IMG_20181202_030440.jpg
2018-12-02T03:19:37 < jadew> the scale on top is 0.1 mm per division
2018-12-02T03:21:27 < kakimir> alien
2018-12-02T03:26:01 < jadew> looks like it
2018-12-02T03:26:09 < jadew> I'm taking some closer pictures
2018-12-02T03:27:18 < kakimir> squid from outter space
2018-12-02T03:28:11 < cjbaird> fungal spore is my guess. (Plant seeds min-out at 1mm?)
2018-12-02T03:33:48 < jadew> http://86.121.142.214/stuff/IMG_20181202_033227.jpg
2018-12-02T03:36:18 < jadew> I don't know what it is
2018-12-02T03:36:49 < jadew> but I don't think it was there when I bought the calibration slide
2018-12-02T03:37:17 < jadew> I think I'll dust tomorrow
2018-12-02T03:46:19 < jadew> has a very creepy look at higher zoom: http://86.121.142.214/stuff/IMG_20181202_033228.jpg
2018-12-02T03:49:23 < cjbaird> Looks like hypnae.. yeah, fungal spore.
2018-12-02T03:57:31 < Laurenceb124> ur mum
2018-12-02T04:15:58 < cjbaird> Ah, since the last time-- I've passed my Advanced ('Extra') Amateur Radio exams. It'll be a very long 3 weeks waiting for the callsign is assigned and legal, though. (VK2CJB)
2018-12-02T04:16:30 < cjbaird> Still went ahead and built the QCX, though.
2018-12-02T04:16:59 < jadew> you get to choose the last 3 letters?
2018-12-02T04:17:58 < cjbaird> Yep. ($20 fee) ... I have a while to wait before the guy with VK2CB carks it..
2018-12-02T04:19:14 < cjbaird> ..or I could just move to the Northern Territory-- so few guys up there, VK8CB is unassigned.
2018-12-02T04:23:51 < cjbaird> 'CU in the NT' <- edgy car bumper stickers all over the place here
2018-12-02T04:38:17 < jadew> why is it edgy?
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2018-12-02T05:00:20 < cjbaird> Dick Smith being a codger -- http://50.97.94.44:8008/live
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2018-12-02T05:21:45 < cjbaird> "..all of my heros-- Kingsford Smith, Hilter, ..." (just on the livestream then..)
2018-12-02T05:23:38 < jadew> he's listening to Dick Smith telling stories about how great it is to be rich
2018-12-02T05:24:08 < jadew> who would have known
2018-12-02T05:25:14 < cjbaird> Dick Smith-- aussie electronics entrepuere during the 1970s, had the biggest electronics chain here for a while. Also flew a helicopter across the world a few times. 
2018-12-02T05:26:06 < cjbaird> jadew: pretty-much. A biut earlier covered how much a privledged upbringing he had.
2018-12-02T05:26:40 < jadew> we should all aspire for that
2018-12-02T05:26:50 < jadew> being filthy rich
2018-12-02T05:26:59 < cjbaird> 1
2018-12-02T05:29:16 < cjbaird> Also helps to bait the media a lot and getting a brand from that -- dicksmithadventure.com.au/april-fools-iceberg-prank-1978/ .. Also the bus jumping motorcycles stunt.
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2018-12-02T06:34:08 < jadew> https://pcbshopper.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/PCBnet.gif
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2018-12-02T07:27:44 < PeterM> crt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDQ7hXMLxGc 
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2018-12-02T07:34:11 < PeterM> ughhhh
2018-12-02T07:38:47 < bitmask> what happens if you send a gerber to a fab with overlay on top of exposed copper?
2018-12-02T07:40:23 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/mnI1MVn
2018-12-02T07:42:28 < bitmask> I'll fix it, just was curious 
2018-12-02T08:11:56 < dongs> sup dongs
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2018-12-02T08:39:55 < jpa-> bitmask: you mean silkscreen on top of pads? most places automatically remove it
2018-12-02T08:40:14 < bitmask> oh ok
2018-12-02T08:40:17 < bitmask> yea thats what I meant
2018-12-02T08:40:26 < bitmask> well I fixed it anyway
2018-12-02T08:40:57 < jpa-> yeah, that is a good idea; sometimes the automatic removal isn't particularly smart
2018-12-02T08:41:29 < jpa-> it tends to leave small ugly leftovers of lines or to remove whole line
2018-12-02T08:44:11 < dongs> jesus christ this is some filth shit
2018-12-02T08:44:18 < dongs> https://twitter.com/lexaloffle/status/1052502949077737473
2018-12-02T08:44:24 < dongs> how the fuck are they doing % 5 on a float
2018-12-02T08:48:14 < dongs> allright
2018-12-02T08:48:33 < dongs> local x,y,s=u+cos(a)*l,v+sin(a)*l how does this work tehn
2018-12-02T08:48:47 < dongs> why is tehre a comman
2018-12-02T08:48:49 < dongs> comma
2018-12-02T08:48:58 < dongs> is this some lua faggot shit
2018-12-02T08:49:41 < jpa-> yeah
2018-12-02T08:49:52 < dongs> how does it work
2018-12-02T08:50:22 < dongs> x,y,s gets assigned x = u+cos(a)*l; y = v+sin(a)*l and s is unsassigned?
2018-12-02T08:50:38 < jpa-> i have no idea :P
2018-12-02T08:51:03 < dongs> lol
2018-12-02T08:51:10 < dongs> thats the only one that makes sense in that code anyway
2018-12-02T08:51:13 < dongs> the only flow of things
2018-12-02T08:51:16 < dongs> cuz s= is assigned later
2018-12-02T08:51:20 < dongs> without being used again
2018-12-02T08:51:39 < jpa-> it is used, b(x,y,a-s,l-q%5)b(x,y,a+s,l-q%5)
2018-12-02T08:51:57 < jpa-> because of course writing two function calls end-to-end makes sense
2018-12-02T08:52:31 < dongs> it is used, after beign assigned above tho
2018-12-02T08:52:37 < dongs> s=.06+cos(x/50+t()/3)/l/6
2018-12-02T08:52:46 < dongs> but i mean, s is not used after the local x,y,s= thing
2018-12-02T08:52:50 < dongs> until being assigned
2018-12-02T08:52:50 < jpa-> ah, true
2018-12-02T08:54:00 < dongs> w>l/9 and 9 or 4 gotta be soem abuse of precedence
2018-12-02T08:54:40 < jpa-> that's equivalent to    (w>l/9) ? 9 : 4
2018-12-02T08:55:29 < jpa-> because ? : was too easy to read for lua folk ;)
2018-12-02T08:56:06 < dongs> christ really
2018-12-02T08:56:34 < dongs> how do you even make sense of that
2018-12-02T08:58:14 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/AOXdgFU.png looks liek i did something right at least
2018-12-02T08:58:15 < dongs> lols
2018-12-02T09:00:07 < jpa-> the code is clever but quite logical; it just recursively draws two lines at angles offset from the previous level
2018-12-02T09:00:56 < dongs> cant figure out where coordinate system of this pico8 shit is
2018-12-02T09:01:21 < dongs> or why my shit is swapped
2018-12-02T09:03:39 < jpa-> your moon is in the correct place, though
2018-12-02T09:05:36 < dongs> hmm
2018-12-02T09:05:42 < dongs> good point
2018-12-02T09:06:40 < dongs> hmm yeah. 
2018-12-02T09:06:46 < dongs> but sin/cos stuff is completely opposite
2018-12-02T09:06:58 < dongs> its actually ousdie the 128x128area
2018-12-02T09:10:35 < jpa-> "PICO-8 uses an input range of 0.0 to 1.0 to represent the angle, a percentage of the unit circle. Some refer to these units as "turns". "
2018-12-02T09:10:53 < jpa-> so div by 2pi
2018-12-02T09:11:04 < jpa-> (err, multiply)
2018-12-02T09:11:40 < dongs> oh
2018-12-02T09:11:42 < dongs> for sin/cos?
2018-12-02T09:11:59 < jpa-> yeah
2018-12-02T09:12:19 < jpa-> kinda nice actually
2018-12-02T09:12:37 < jpa-> i always have to sprinkle pi all over my code in C
2018-12-02T09:12:47 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/TUbU0oE.png
2018-12-02T09:12:48 < dongs> not bad
2018-12-02T09:12:54 < dongs> now just sign
2018-12-02T09:13:53 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/NXTr4OD.png
2018-12-02T09:13:53 < dongs> score
2018-12-02T09:14:38 < dongs> ah my green/darkgreen is swapped
2018-12-02T09:18:08 < dongs> i guess their graphics engine does hard clipping on negative etc
2018-12-02T09:23:13 < dongs> cool, works on hardware
2018-12-02T09:28:55 < jpa-> :)
2018-12-02T09:40:31 < cjbaird> spinning cubes next
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2018-12-02T10:00:35 < dongs> jpa-: thanks, lexaloffe duder was impressed
2018-12-02T10:03:16 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/TlgQnmt.jpg
2018-12-02T10:03:17 < dongs> on hw
2018-12-02T10:03:33 < PaulFertser> dongs: wtf are you doing with pico-8? Its description suggests the target audience is very limited consisting of faggot nerds wasting their time?
2018-12-02T10:03:51 < dongs> PaulFertser: well im at a demoparty
2018-12-02T10:04:00 < dongs> and this faggot nerd came over and gave a lecture on pico8
2018-12-02T10:04:08 < dongs> the only thing I took away from it was that tree drawing
2018-12-02T10:04:18 < dongs> so i made it run on my hw and gained some faggot nerd points
2018-12-02T10:05:09 < PaulFertser> Cool story bro
2018-12-02T10:05:12 < dongs> lol
2018-12-02T10:05:29 < PaulFertser> The tree is really nice though
2018-12-02T10:05:55 < dongs> yeha i dont even know wehre to start understanding it algorithm-wise
2018-12-02T10:06:05 < dongs> all i know is it does some faggot math with sin/cos
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2018-12-02T10:09:09 < dongs> whats pumping crt
2018-12-02T10:12:36 < PaulFertser> The code looks like magic.
2018-12-02T10:20:16 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/nQ7y9v91.html readable-C version
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2018-12-02T12:08:46 < Steffanx> Meh
2018-12-02T12:12:40 < Hamilton> [unpopular_opinion] The whole concept of "pets" being cat/dogs or fox/tigers is a cruelty to animals...They live in an envirorment which is not suitable to their nature and live without their mates/offsprings...Would humans be happy if they lived without their mates in caves alongside bears? [/unpopular_opinion]
2018-12-02T12:12:54 < dongs> Hamilton: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2018-12-02T12:13:10 < Hamilton> lol OK 
2018-12-02T12:14:54 < Steffanx> Just remind dongs of this, the next time he talks about furries wnd crap, Hamilton ;)
2018-12-02T12:16:19 < Steffanx> So is ohsix. Hes gone
2018-12-02T12:23:17 < Steffanx> The good ##stm32 days
2018-12-02T12:24:11 < dongs> haha
2018-12-02T12:24:18 < dongs> o6 still here tho
2018-12-02T12:24:20 < dongs> still autisming
2018-12-02T12:24:26 < dongs> still on my ignore
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2018-12-02T12:48:38 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: hope this compensates it for you, no vocals, promise: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Be-loLSUWT0
2018-12-02T12:53:03 < BrainDamage> that's a pretty nice cover
2018-12-02T12:53:57 < PaulFertser> She was trained as a professional piano player but then switched to more popular music.
2018-12-02T12:54:17 < BrainDamage> how the hell can she tollerate wearing headphones over hair
2018-12-02T12:54:37 < PaulFertser> And apparently she has a talent to nicely arrange music, not only perform.
2018-12-02T13:00:54 < jpa-> Hamilton: would humans be happy if they lived on ##stm32 alongside trolls?
2018-12-02T13:01:32 < Steffanx> I prefer something more.. subtile PaulFertser: 
2018-12-02T13:01:35 < Steffanx> https://youtu.be/AlGfT3PGqgU
2018-12-02T13:04:15 < Steffanx> jpa- when the cat is misbehaving i kick it out.
2018-12-02T13:05:35 < Steffanx> Same happens in ##stm32
2018-12-02T13:05:57 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, :) 
2018-12-02T13:06:01 < jpa-> Steffanx: you have a cat?
2018-12-02T13:06:08 < Steffanx> Yea
2018-12-02T13:06:15 < jpa-> cute :)
2018-12-02T13:06:17 < BrainDamage> does that mean that laurenceb's assimilable to a cat?
2018-12-02T13:07:07 < PaulFertser> Nice Steffanx!
2018-12-02T13:08:27 < Steffanx> http://imgur.com/a/u8eMoez jpa- 
2018-12-02T13:08:56 < jpa-> aww
2018-12-02T13:10:19 < Steffanx> Did you spot my "free time pants" aka jogging pants 
2018-12-02T13:11:02 < jpa-> that's the only kind of pants i use nowadays
2018-12-02T13:13:01 < Steffanx> :)
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2018-12-02T13:37:27 < con3> that toxicity cover <3
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2018-12-02T15:16:49 < Adluc> can a CAN pass through 200 ohm series resistors? (RX/TX between MCU and transceiver)?
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2018-12-02T15:26:45 < jpa-> with the 120 ohm termination resistors, it seems somewhat unlikely
2018-12-02T15:26:48 < jpa-> but might work
2018-12-02T15:31:00 < Adluc> jpa-: its between transceiver and MCU. 120ohm R's are on the "loop" of transceivers
2018-12-02T15:31:08 < Adluc> Cracki: will test anyway, thanks for the hopes :D
2018-12-02T15:31:41 < jpa-> Adluc: ah
2018-12-02T15:31:58 < jpa-> well those are probably high-impedance inputs so shouldn't cause any trouble
2018-12-02T15:32:12 < Adluc> yeah, I guess, just wanted to validate assumption
2018-12-02T15:33:40 < PaulFertser> As a side-note, we have a CAN line that's 5km long working pretty stable with 10k baud.
2018-12-02T15:34:34 < BrainDamage> where's it deployed?
2018-12-02T15:37:06 < PaulFertser> One is a testing line in Engels/Saratov, and there's a real production line somewhere but I do not have a clue where. Used to get information from cathodic protection monitoring stations deployed along an oil/gas tube.
2018-12-02T15:37:31 < veverak> nice! :)
2018-12-02T15:46:15 < PaulFertser> The line length needs to be taken into account when calculating CAN timings due to propogation delays.
2018-12-02T15:53:21 < englishman> cool
2018-12-02T15:59:59 < Steffanx> !wz canada
2018-12-02T16:00:07 < Steffanx> wz is dead. :o
2018-12-02T16:00:15 < Steffanx> now i cant tell if englishman  is cool or not.
2018-12-02T16:14:51 < englishman> it didnt throw any errors, it might still be looking. it's easy to miss canada, hidden all the way down there.
2018-12-02T16:15:10 < englishman> !wz rabat
2018-12-02T16:15:14 < englishbot> [Rabat, Morocco] Clear. Temp is 19°C. NNE wind: 9 kph. Humidity: 55%.
2018-12-02T16:19:16 < antto> !wz varna
2018-12-02T16:19:22 < englishbot> [Varna, Bulgaria] Clear. Temp is 4.0°C. Humidity: 76%.
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2018-12-02T17:00:12 < Steffanx> thanks....
2018-12-02T17:00:13 < Steffanx> i guess
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2018-12-02T17:05:08 < Steffanx> Hows the day superbia1
2018-12-02T17:05:10 < Steffanx> and hows the foot.
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2018-12-02T17:33:48 < englishman> i can send an address to the car navigation via google maps in chrome, but not from google maps in mobile chrome or the android maps app
2018-12-02T17:34:03 < englishman> everything about this car is half-assed
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2018-12-02T17:35:51 < Steffanx> Pretty dutch
2018-12-02T17:38:56 < Steffanx> I wouldnt know
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2018-12-02T17:42:51 < Steffanx> Want be to ask about ranewen, superbia1 ?
2018-12-02T17:46:57 < Steffanx> ?
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2018-12-02T18:42:02 < Laurenceb124> sheeeet
2018-12-02T18:42:04 < Laurenceb124> https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/B797/production/_104399964_foodmine3.jpg
2018-12-02T18:42:16 < Laurenceb124> uni guys have been working on their led croplamps
2018-12-02T18:44:08 < Laurenceb124> >Energy piles
2018-12-02T18:44:23 < Laurenceb124> hitting levels of autism that shouldnt even be possible
2018-12-02T18:44:51 < Laurenceb124> >foodmine
2018-12-02T18:49:42 < BrainDamage> at PNI one guy was growing hops indoors with hydroponics and led lamps and giving them a custom profile taste
2018-12-02T18:50:09 < Laurenceb124> yeah but was it running off energy piles?
2018-12-02T18:50:23 < BrainDamage> no, and it was actually working
2018-12-02T18:51:57 < BrainDamage> there was a sensor that might interest the highaltitude guys, it was one of the classic quartz sensors for airborne particle deposition, but they also had a builtin heater so they could discriminate the particle type based on the evaporation time and temp
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2018-12-02T19:05:58 < Laurenceb124> nice
2018-12-02T19:06:36 < Laurenceb124> it'd be cool to launch a heavily instrumented long duration superpressure balloon
2018-12-02T19:06:54 < Laurenceb124> to look at what particle accumulation/icing etc effects happen
2018-12-02T19:07:12 < Laurenceb124>  #highaltitude managed to get up to almost 2 years flight duration
2018-12-02T19:07:43 < Laurenceb124> looks like there is an "icing half life" of about 9 months to a year at ~14km altitude 
2018-12-02T19:08:23 < Laurenceb124> but I bet google loon could extend that a lot by using their ballast system to avoid bad weather conditions
2018-12-02T19:09:30 < Laurenceb124> if they can make loon work it'd be way more useful that starlink as it doesnt need a >$200 custom receiver
2018-12-02T19:10:44 < bitmask> Having fun talking to yourself?
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2018-12-02T19:10:48 < Laurenceb124> yes
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2018-12-02T19:17:47 < kakimir> hello sensuals
2018-12-02T19:18:31 < kakimir> I wonder if we should code this evenings
2018-12-02T19:19:17 < kakimir> acomp and dac
2018-12-02T19:20:27 < kakimir> I try to use vref, positive comp input and comp output to detect sudden sinking of usb vbus as I abuse it
2018-12-02T19:21:21 < kakimir> first I thought I do hysteresis with output to voltage divider
2018-12-02T19:23:07 < kakimir> now I thought I do slight positive offset to divider as interrupt enters I can read if voltage is still bellow threshold meaning if it has sank further down from moment interrupt was triggered by acomp
2018-12-02T19:23:39 < kakimir> it takes time afterall to enter interrupt
2018-12-02T19:24:37 < kakimir> maybe suspend chargng, disable all kinds of shiets and enter sleep
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2018-12-02T19:28:30 < Laurenceb124> > vbus as I abuse it
2018-12-02T19:28:33 < Laurenceb124> NONCE!!
2018-12-02T19:32:01 < kakimir> if I do proper sb bc sequence it delays at least 1month
2018-12-02T19:32:13 < kakimir> usb bc sequence*
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2018-12-02T19:33:13 < kakimir> this type of trash anyway always seem to abuse usb
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2018-12-02T19:42:36 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GVjJ660Y0BQrYw5Ohqq1MwRqrFJTwiXx/view?usp=sharing rev0.2
2018-12-02T19:42:52 < kakimir> white ring is d20mm
2018-12-02T19:43:40 < Steffanx> why not revision 2?
2018-12-02T19:44:43 < bitmask> you did what I did and put silkscreen over exposed copper, does that not bother you?
2018-12-02T19:45:26 < kakimir> gerber will be generated without silkscreen over coppers
2018-12-02T19:45:34 < bitmask> how does that work
2018-12-02T19:45:45 < bitmask> is that an option? or you mean you will change it before then
2018-12-02T19:45:49 < kakimir> select in plotter
2018-12-02T19:45:57 < bitmask> altium?
2018-12-02T19:46:13 < kakimir> kicad
2018-12-02T19:46:19 < bitmask> ok thanks for the info
2018-12-02T19:47:46 < kakimir> wait.. there is no such option
2018-12-02T19:47:59 < kakimir> I think I'll check my gerbers
2018-12-02T19:48:06 < bitmask> stop making shit up kakimir :P
2018-12-02T19:48:30 < kakimir> there is "Exclude pads from silkscreen layer"
2018-12-02T19:51:10 < kakimir> I don't know how the shit works
2018-12-02T19:51:36 < kakimir> checked my gerbers and silkscreen is over the pads
2018-12-02T19:51:55 < kakimir> shit has always worked though
2018-12-02T19:52:31 < kakimir> Steffanx: because it is gay to revision prototypes anything above 0.9
2018-12-02T19:53:13 < kakimir> like revision something 1.0 and shit is unusable
2018-12-02T19:53:39 < kakimir> then correct some issues and revision it 2.0
2018-12-02T19:55:50 < kakimir> and then for production revision it back to 1.0
2018-12-02T19:56:08 < kakimir> and then you have 2 1.0 revisions
2018-12-02T19:56:30 < kakimir> I have seen such revision progress where first there is 1.1 sample
2018-12-02T19:56:38 < kakimir> then there is 2.0 sample
2018-12-02T19:56:48 < kakimir> and then 1.0 sample
2018-12-02T19:56:54 < kakimir> that is final
2018-12-02T20:01:25 < kakimir> sub 1.0 revisioning gives room for 10major interations and 10 or more slight changes and you can then throw A, B, C after it when you need slight change after slight change
2018-12-02T20:03:17 < kakimir> in one project I made slight placement change according to mech engineer request and revisioned it from 0.9 to 0.91
2018-12-02T20:04:12 < kakimir> after that there was still need to change some component place so I threw B after it
2018-12-02T20:04:27 < Steffanx> Yeah that does sounds better. not "{
2018-12-02T20:04:29 < Steffanx> :P
2018-12-02T20:04:39 < Steffanx> Could've gone with 0.10
2018-12-02T20:04:46 < Steffanx> or just 10 :P
2018-12-02T20:05:12 < kakimir> I think 0.9 - 1.0 revisioning is transient area
2018-12-02T20:05:30 < kakimir> where pcb can be both prototype or final
2018-12-02T20:06:13 < kakimir> or trial revision
2018-12-02T20:08:18 < Laurenceb124> https://postimg.cc/KkqRcp4m
2018-12-02T20:08:48 < kakimir> why not revision 95429 stef
2018-12-02T20:08:59 < Steffanx> Dear Laurenceb124 are you like my cat?
2018-12-02T20:09:11 < Laurenceb124> dunno
2018-12-02T20:09:19 < Steffanx> do you want to be?
2018-12-02T20:09:36 < Laurenceb124> >want to be like a cat?
2018-12-02T20:09:37 < bitmask> don't insult your cat
2018-12-02T20:09:49 < Laurenceb124> Steffanx confirmed as Alba-chan
2018-12-02T20:10:59 < Steffanx> related: https://pastebin.com/KXpaSPsG
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2018-12-02T20:12:07 < Laurenceb124> so I get free food
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2018-12-02T20:12:56 < Steffanx> want waffles?
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2018-12-02T20:14:21 < kakimir> also Steffanx I don't think full version numbers should be jumped over without reasoning
2018-12-02T20:14:44 < kakimir> *revision / version
2018-12-02T20:18:48 < qyx> wut
2018-12-02T20:18:51 < qyx> semver to the rescue
2018-12-02T20:19:03 < qyx> why should be the next revision after 0.9 -> 1.0?
2018-12-02T20:19:40 < qyx> it is simple, start with 0.1.0
2018-12-02T20:19:51 < qyx> make hotfix, bump to 0.1.1
2018-12-02T20:20:08 < qyx> add feature (customer would not complain), make it 0.2.0
2018-12-02T20:20:28 < qyx> remove feature/introduce incompatible change, make it 1.0.0
2018-12-02T20:20:59 < qyx> but there is an exception, when major = 0, you can add incompatibilities as you wish withut going to 1.0.0 (keep 0.y.z)
2018-12-02T20:21:50 < qyx> go to 1.0.0 fter the first "public" release
2018-12-02T20:22:54 < kakimir> interesting
2018-12-02T20:23:04 < Steffanx> add 10 features go to 0.10.[whatever] qyx ?
2018-12-02T20:23:13 < kakimir> is it somekind of versioning rule somewhere?
2018-12-02T20:23:22 < kakimir> gnu software?
2018-12-02T20:23:30 < Steffanx> semver
2018-12-02T20:23:34 < qyx> yes, it is quite common
2018-12-02T20:23:45 < qyx> cemver.org
2018-12-02T20:23:47 < qyx> *semver.org
2018-12-02T20:23:56 < Steffanx> ah, i see
2018-12-02T20:24:00 < qyx> Steffanx: yes, 0.167.0
2018-12-02T20:24:03 < Steffanx> never heard about semver
2018-12-02T20:24:27 < qyx> it is loved and hated, you have to choose
2018-12-02T20:25:22 < Steffanx> Yes, 63.0.1 is much better :P
2018-12-02T20:25:32 < Steffanx> i acctually dislike that
2018-12-02T20:25:45 < Steffanx> firefox/chrome/wathever version numbering
2018-12-02T20:25:55 < qyx> also http://qyx.krtko.org/wiki/hardware-semantic-versioning
2018-12-02T20:26:09 < Steffanx> although i might actually not care as much as i think. i hardly ever need firefox/chrome/whatever version
2018-12-02T20:26:10 < qyx> once I had a feeling it should be recorded
2018-12-02T20:30:15 < Steffanx> heh
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2018-12-02T21:10:42 < kakimir> Laurenceb124: I found your fetish
2018-12-02T21:10:46 < kakimir> https://womenintheworld.com/2018/11/30/dominatrix-specializes-in-turning-white-right-wing-men-into-socialists/
2018-12-02T21:11:15 < Laurenceb124> old
2018-12-02T21:11:36 < kakimir> you have been using their services for a while now
2018-12-02T21:11:38 < Laurenceb124> that was on 4chan 2 days ago
2018-12-02T21:13:48 < kakimir> what if
2018-12-02T21:14:32 < kakimir> I have subconcious draw to the baddest neo-marxist ultra-feminist women
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2018-12-02T21:15:24 < kakimir> maybe..
2018-12-02T21:20:37 < kakimir> :| how did you know
2018-12-02T21:22:36 < kakimir> no
2018-12-02T21:23:30 < Steffanx> DYK
2018-12-02T21:25:25 < sync> paul, van?
2018-12-02T21:35:06 < kakimir> superbia1: https://youtu.be/utLxorx3ZQA?t=422 some fast chess
2018-12-02T21:38:39 < jadew> anyone with a micrometer willing to measure the actual thickness of a 2 layer board? (from copper to copper and if possible from bare dielectric to bare dielectric)
2018-12-02T21:39:06 < jpa-> jadew: eh, wouldn't it vary from manufacturer to manufacturer?
2018-12-02T21:39:25 < jadew> it would, but I'm curious what real values look like
2018-12-02T21:39:34 < jadew> it would vary from the same manufacturer too
2018-12-02T21:40:21 < Thorn> should be 1.5mm core + glue + 2 copper layers + plating if any + solder mask if any
2018-12-02T21:40:33 < jpa-> i get 1.47..1.51mm for bare dielectric for a few boards from seeed and jlcpcb
2018-12-02T21:40:59 < jpa-> soldermask stops me from measuring the copper only
2018-12-02T21:41:55 < jadew> jpa-, thanks!
2018-12-02T21:42:12 < jadew> that's quite some distance from 1.6
2018-12-02T21:42:40 < jadew> the copper would make up only 0.07mm for 1 oz
2018-12-02T21:42:43 < sync> I think 1.6 is overall
2018-12-02T21:43:04 < jadew> yeah, it looks like it
2018-12-02T21:43:06 < jpa-> for soldermask to soldermask, i get 1.59..1.61mm, except for one weird board that gives 1.67; i think that might have double-thick copper for some reason
2018-12-02T21:43:43 < sync> I sometimes add cutouts in the mask/copper exactly to check for stuff like that
2018-12-02T21:44:11 < jadew> yeah, I wonder if that also means thinner prepreg
2018-12-02T21:44:23 < jadew> probably not
2018-12-02T21:44:43 < jpa-> that board doesn't have non-copper area that i could measure
2018-12-02T21:45:12 < jadew> still, it's very telling
2018-12-02T21:45:13 < jadew> thanks
2018-12-02T21:45:16 < qyx> jadew: only a digital caliper available, seeed's 2layer 35um copper with soldermask is 1.62mm
2018-12-02T21:45:32 < qyx> the blue one, if it matters
2018-12-02T21:45:43 < jadew> if you read the specification on seeed's studio website, you'd think the dielectric is 1.6mm
2018-12-02T21:45:59 < qyx> yeah
2018-12-02T21:46:30 < jpa-> heh, the digikey ruler seems to have 1.6mm dielectric and 1.7mm overall
2018-12-02T21:46:47 < jadew> no way...
2018-12-02T21:47:01 < jadew> thick mask?
2018-12-02T21:47:23 < jadew> or maybe 2 oz copper
2018-12-02T21:47:29 < qyx> seeed's dielectric+sodlermask is 1.57mm
2018-12-02T21:48:38 < qyx> older green 2l board from seeed is 1.58mm total (copper + soldermask)
2018-12-02T21:48:51 < jpa-> digikey's datasheet claims it should be 0.062inch = 1.5748mm
2018-12-02T21:48:54 < qyx> (07/2017)
2018-12-02T21:49:55 < qyx> even older seeed, 1.69mm
2018-12-02T21:49:56 < jpa-> hmm, 1.65mm actually, it's surprisingly difficult to find a place there so that there is no silkscreen on either side :P
2018-12-02T21:49:58 < jadew> jpa-, total?
2018-12-02T21:50:10 < jpa-> jadew: not specified
2018-12-02T21:50:45 < jadew> qyx, interesting
2018-12-02T21:51:07 < jpa-> heh, one end of the ruler consistently reads 1.68mm and the other end 1.65mm
2018-12-02T21:51:41 < jpa-> uneven soldermask or something
2018-12-02T21:53:21 < kakimir> superbia1: nt
2018-12-02T21:54:51 < jadew> jpa-, qyx, thanks for the measurements
2018-12-02T21:55:25 < jpa-> typical man, he's only interested in how big pcbs i have
2018-12-02T21:56:29 < jadew> haha
2018-12-02T21:57:05 < kakimir> I use my chess board as decoration nowdays
2018-12-02T21:58:34 < kakimir> shit I clicked
2018-12-02T21:59:29 < jadew> kakimir is black?
2018-12-02T21:59:51 < jadew> sorry, white
2018-12-02T22:04:04 < Steffanx> He's so white, you wont see him when he lays down in the snow.
2018-12-02T22:04:24 < qyx> finnish white?
2018-12-02T22:04:30 < Steffanx> For sure
2018-12-02T22:09:12 < jpa-> not iceland-white though
2018-12-02T22:09:51 < zyp> playing chess?
2018-12-02T22:10:04 < zyp> ah, nice
2018-12-02T22:11:40 < Steffanx> superbia1 is using his computer 
2018-12-02T22:14:32 < kakimir> engine? I doubt
2018-12-02T22:14:38 < Steffanx> bot
2018-12-02T22:15:04 < zyp> don't think so, doesn't look like inhuman play :p
2018-12-02T22:15:44 < veverak> nice! :)
2018-12-02T22:16:36 < Laurenceb124> fingolian
2018-12-02T22:16:59 < Laurenceb124> BENIS
2018-12-02T22:17:01 < Steffanx> i love you too superbia1
2018-12-02T22:20:02 < Laurenceb124> >iceland >white
2018-12-02T22:20:35 < Laurenceb124> bjork.jpg
2018-12-02T22:21:31 < zyp> superbia1, I can play a round too
2018-12-02T22:23:01 < Laurenceb124> I've been asked to write a paper on usb audio class sensors
2018-12-02T22:23:02 < Laurenceb124> wtf
2018-12-02T22:23:29 < zyp> superbia1, I joined late, didn't see much tactics, just that you already had a lead :p
2018-12-02T22:23:33 < Steffanx> haha, dont forget to mention ##stm32 in the references.
2018-12-02T22:24:23 < kakimir> you played really easy
2018-12-02T22:24:37 < kakimir> not that I had nothing to match that
2018-12-02T22:24:42 < kakimir> *anything
2018-12-02T22:24:59 < kakimir> nope
2018-12-02T22:25:13 < zyp> I don't care who, I just wanna play :p
2018-12-02T22:25:41 < zyp> no
2018-12-02T22:26:07 < zyp> I've played kakimir and some other people from here before
2018-12-02T22:26:20 < zyp> but not in any sort of ranked match
2018-12-02T22:26:34 < zyp> no big opinion really
2018-12-02T22:27:02 < zyp> I don't have much experience playing with a clock, I've only played casual chess
2018-12-02T22:28:03 < Thorn> tomorrow is a big day. 2 launches (if SpaceEx doesn't delay yet again) and an asteroid rendezvous
2018-12-02T22:28:05 < Steffanx> enjoy
2018-12-02T22:28:40 < Thorn> 1131 GMT Soyuz, 1700 GMT Osiris-REX rendezvous, 1831 GMT F9
2018-12-02T22:29:54 < Steffanx> hm
2018-12-02T22:31:33 < Thorn> and 2 more launches tomorrow including another F9
2018-12-02T22:33:14 < Steffanx> is there some special website with info about all this?
2018-12-02T22:33:18 < Steffanx> + links to streams?
2018-12-02T22:33:55 < Thorn> https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/ tracks all launches
2018-12-02T22:34:23 < Steffanx> ty :):
2018-12-02T22:34:29 < Thorn> but there are also iss dockings/undockings, EVAs and occasionally interplanetary mission events
2018-12-02T22:34:48 < Thorn> that website doesn't list any of that
2018-12-02T22:36:07 < Thorn> I had the ISS operations plan up to end of 2019 (from a russian forum) but it went down the drain thanks to roskosmos
2018-12-02T22:40:42 < jadew> gg
2018-12-02T22:40:44 < Steffanx> awh zyp
2018-12-02T22:40:57 < zyp> nice one
2018-12-02T22:41:22 < zyp> didn't think much about the clock
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2018-12-02T22:45:41 < zyp> sure
2018-12-02T22:46:45 < kakimir> superbia1: nope
2018-12-02T23:00:22 < Steffanx> oh noes, superbia1
2018-12-02T23:06:12 < jadew> white almost lost the horse :)
2018-12-02T23:06:55 < Steffanx> stop it, superbia1  :P
2018-12-02T23:07:17 < Steffanx> awh
2018-12-02T23:07:30 < jadew> gg
2018-12-02T23:07:41 < zyp> nice one
2018-12-02T23:09:26 < zyp> I'd like to, but I gotta go
2018-12-02T23:12:11 < day> superbia1: im not swiss :<
2018-12-02T23:12:12 < Steffanx> what is it? Orange chocoate?
2018-12-02T23:12:32 < Steffanx> No you are a day.
2018-12-02T23:13:36 < Steffanx> Sorry my hungarian is ab it rusty
2018-12-02T23:20:17 < Thorn> SCC 2018 live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ZI2U6U1b4 (couldn't found any Engrish streams)
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2018-12-02T23:23:15 < Steffanx> Blyat Blyat suka na tochku?
2018-12-02T23:23:31 < Steffanx> ^ thats all i hear usually.
2018-12-02T23:23:55 < sync> idi nachui
2018-12-02T23:24:09 < Thorn> dat racis'
2018-12-02T23:24:32 < Steffanx> Is Russian a race?
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2018-12-03T00:34:36 < Steffanx> Gooday superbia 
2018-12-03T00:34:43 < Steffanx> You're up late
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2018-12-03T02:02:44 < Thorn> can you uv map in fusion 360
2018-12-03T02:04:00 < Thorn> apparently not
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2018-12-03T08:01:42 < Sadale> It's interesting how STM8S001J3 connects multiple internal MCU ports to one single pin in parallel.
2018-12-03T08:01:49 < Sadale> I wonder if there's other MCU with similar design.
2018-12-03T08:02:43 < Sadale> There're a few I/O pins on the microcontroller. Almost all of those I/O pins are connected to multiple internal MCU pins.
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2018-12-03T08:41:43 < jpa-> Sadale: doesn't pretty much every STM32 do that also?
2018-12-03T08:41:58 < Sadale> I meant it isn't alternative function.
2018-12-03T08:42:06 < jpa-> so, like in STM32F1?
2018-12-03T08:42:23 < Sadale> It's something like connecting PA1, PC7, PC8 and PD2 to the same pin.
2018-12-03T08:42:27 < Sadale> in parallel.
2018-12-03T08:42:57 < jpa-> ah, yeah, kinda funny that they keep the original gpio names in the paralleling also
2018-12-03T08:43:23 < Sadale> See the datasheet of STM8S001J3, page 24 "Pin description".
2018-12-03T08:43:56 < Sadale> anyway ttyl. lunch time
2018-12-03T08:44:26 < jpa-> yeah, but having multiple functions in parallel is nothing new, only special (and rather useless) thing there is how they have multiple gpio pins also in parallel
2018-12-03T08:44:49 < jpa-> but i guess it keeps software compatibility with larger models
2018-12-03T09:02:43 < Sadale> crt, in fact that's sort of common for teaching students with mediocre spoken English in general.
2018-12-03T09:02:50 < Sadale> s/mediocre/substandard/
2018-12-03T09:04:15 < Sadale> In Hong Kong if you're studying for a degree, you'd get a teacher speaking English retardedly slow. If you're studying for a subdegree, you'd get written English test material with spoken Cantonese lecture.
2018-12-03T09:04:36 < Sadale> (That's why many of us cannot speak English well!)
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2018-12-03T09:21:31 < Steffanx> In dutchland it all in english, even when there no non-dutch students
2018-12-03T09:21:37 < Steffanx> There are*
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2018-12-03T09:23:35 < Steffanx> But yeah. Then we sometimes have the same problem. 
2018-12-03T09:27:43 < bitmask> hmm why is altium showing a polygon pour as exposed copper?
2018-12-03T09:28:00 < bitmask> it doesnt show it when I only have solder layer enabled
2018-12-03T09:28:05 < bitmask> but does in 3d mode
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2018-12-03T10:00:23 < qyx> laff
2018-12-03T10:00:59 < qyx> in which eastern eu country is W pronounced as F?
2018-12-03T10:02:45 < Steffanx> Idk
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2018-12-03T10:06:29 < Sadale> If you want to seek for legal assistant, you'd have to get a "laugh"er
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2018-12-03T10:12:39 < qyx> huh? sk/cz doesn't even use W
2018-12-03T10:13:21 < qyx> I mean in the common language
2018-12-03T10:15:10 < qyx> I don't know a single one
2018-12-03T10:17:53 < Haohmaru> dafuq is that
2018-12-03T10:17:54 < qyx> .sk
2018-12-03T10:18:15 < qyx> maybe there are such names in poland
2018-12-03T10:18:35 < Haohmaru> Cracki not sure about -off, but slavic last names for men usually end with "ov"
2018-12-03T10:18:47 < Haohmaru> ehm, also the middle names
2018-12-03T10:19:08 < Haohmaru> so if yer father is Ivan, yer middle name would be Ivanov
2018-12-03T10:19:30 < qyx> yeah, that applies to .ua, .ru and some southern countries
2018-12-03T10:19:44 < Haohmaru> now, -ow could be explained with perhaps a tendancy for some countries to use W as V
2018-12-03T10:20:12 < qyx> we don't have the -ov suffix here
2018-12-03T10:20:31 < qyx> although all female surnames end with -ova
2018-12-03T10:20:51 < Haohmaru> yes, if it's a girl, her middle name would be Ivanova
2018-12-03T10:21:00 < Haohmaru> last name also would end in -ova
2018-12-03T10:21:16 < Haohmaru> [/justsayin]
2018-12-03T10:21:37 < Haohmaru> hm?
2018-12-03T10:22:31 < qyx> see this for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Czech-language_surnames
2018-12-03T10:22:34 < Haohmaru> how could you forget
2018-12-03T10:23:48 < Haohmaru> kokoschka >:)
2018-12-03T10:24:10 < Haohmaru> that's a female chicken in .bg
2018-12-03T10:24:54 < qyx> I am just trying to tell you that I cannot thik of any word/name in this region which would be mispronounced that way
2018-12-03T10:25:43 < qyx> and I don't even know of a language using W here except the .pl one
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2018-12-03T10:26:21 < Haohmaru> wut link
2018-12-03T10:26:30 < qyx> what link
2018-12-03T10:26:46 < Haohmaru> you know i didn't read all the bullsh*.. ehm "conversations" above
2018-12-03T10:27:07 < Haohmaru> ur welcome ;P~
2018-12-03T10:28:25 < qyx> do germans really pronounce know as knoff?
2018-12-03T10:28:36 < qyx> interesting
2018-12-03T10:29:09 < Haohmaru> oops
2018-12-03T10:29:41 < Haohmaru> schwartzkopff
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2018-12-03T10:31:21 < Haohmaru> also, it's not uncommon for us to pronounce the V softer some times, so it sounds like an F then
2018-12-03T10:31:43 < Haohmaru> not so much in the -ova case, but often in the -ov case
2018-12-03T10:32:02 < Haohmaru> so it might sound like Ivanof sometimes
2018-12-03T10:38:05 < Ecco> Hmm
2018-12-03T10:38:16 < Ecco> For some reason Altium doesn't want to connect a component to the appropriate nets
2018-12-03T10:38:23 < Ecco> it seems properly connected in the schematics
2018-12-03T10:38:29 < Ecco> but in the PCB the pads don't have any net assigned
2018-12-03T10:38:37 < Ecco> and if I do "update PCB", it says "no difference"
2018-12-03T10:41:18 < Ecco> Oh, got it
2018-12-03T10:41:20 < Ecco> tricky shit
2018-12-03T10:41:35 < Ecco> On the schematics, the wire was attached on a pin
2018-12-03T10:41:40 < Ecco> and not at the *tip* of a pin
2018-12-03T10:42:39 < PeterM> and that my friends is why you make oyur shit on grids and  you snap shit to grids
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2018-12-03T10:44:15 < PeterM> it doesnt
2018-12-03T10:44:51 < PeterM> he had the wire routed  over the same pixels of the pin
2018-12-03T10:45:13 < PeterM> well, line in the schematic routed over the same pixels as the pin
2018-12-03T10:45:47 < PeterM> yes, like when you want to route one net over another
2018-12-03T10:45:56 < PeterM> ie to escape a net
2018-12-03T10:46:04 < PeterM> they are allowed to cross
2018-12-03T10:46:56 < PeterM> and either does altium, hence his issue
2018-12-03T10:47:39 < PeterM> only if it connects at the end of the pin, which if on a grid, is what your shit should snap to if you have grid snapping turned on
2018-12-03T10:48:40 < PeterM> so you can cross traces
2018-12-03T10:48:47 < PeterM> and pins to escape them
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2018-12-03T10:50:38 < PeterM> it doesnt
2018-12-03T10:51:04 < PeterM> no? you just route it to the end of the pin
2018-12-03T10:51:39 < PeterM> no, you have to route it to the end of the pin, it doesnt find its own way there
2018-12-03T10:51:46 < PeterM> you have to click the actual end of the pin
2018-12-03T10:52:46 < PeterM> yeah, and from the pervious conversation in here your concept of a lot of things differs from a lot of peoples concepts
2018-12-03T10:54:20 < PeterM> i just pointed out an observation, why did you think i was attacking you?
2018-12-03T10:55:02 < PeterM> no, if i was to sound disrespectful id say fuck off cunt
2018-12-03T10:55:08 < PeterM> so fuck off
2018-12-03T11:10:26 < Haohmaru> don't cha have something like a ERC?
2018-12-03T11:10:52 < Haohmaru> mr Cracki
2018-12-03T11:11:28 < Haohmaru> ehm, i meant Ecco
2018-12-03T11:27:00 < PeterM> i think theres something specifically for that problem too, reports >single pin nets
2018-12-03T11:28:22 < Ecco> Ha, interesting
2018-12-03T11:28:30 < Ecco> for some reason I didn't get any error when compiling the schematics
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2018-12-03T12:17:50 < Ecco> Is putting a via right on a pad a bad idea?
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2018-12-03T13:25:45 < jadew> Ecco, most of the time, yeah
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2018-12-03T13:29:12 < karlp> depends who you talk to :)
2018-12-03T13:29:39 < karlp> but yeah,t raditionally bad idea.
2018-12-03T13:30:11 < Thorn> soyuz launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0
2018-12-03T13:31:20 < karlp> Steffanx: am I meant to be able to taste a difference between "ordinary" stroopwaffels and "roomboter" stroopwaffels?  (from albert hein?)
2018-12-03T13:31:29 < karlp> they taste ~identical
2018-12-03T13:33:19 < qyx> stream is no worky
2018-12-03T13:34:14 < qyx> 00oh works in privaet window, weird
2018-12-03T13:35:20 < zyp> karlp, apparently "roomboter" just means "butter", which I'd expect there to be in most stroopwaffels
2018-12-03T13:35:51 < Steffanx> Yeah, i dont kniw karlp
2018-12-03T13:36:27 < Steffanx> Problem is. There are huge differences between brands.
2018-12-03T13:36:49 < Steffanx> Shouldve gotten Kanjer :P
2018-12-03T13:36:50 < zyp> I ate my last kanjers the other day
2018-12-03T13:37:09 < Steffanx> Oh noes
2018-12-03T13:45:23 < karlp> yeah, these were both albert heijn house brand, the ingredients show _more_ butter in the butter ones, but they're ~same in taste and appearance otherwise.
2018-12-03T13:45:38 < karlp> htey taste good, just not sure what difference I'm meant tobe looking for.
2018-12-03T13:45:52 < zyp> probably just a more buttery taste
2018-12-03T13:47:32 < con3>  Started streaming on May 9, 2017
2018-12-03T13:47:34 < con3> god damn
2018-12-03T13:49:31 < Thorn> next up: Osiris-REX coverage starting 16:15UTC on nasa tv
2018-12-03T14:00:39 < PeterM> "i cant believe theres more butter!"
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2018-12-03T14:22:22 < zygron_> i fucking hate sales people
2018-12-03T14:22:31 < zygron_> oops wrong nick
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2018-12-03T14:24:30 < zyp> I'm happy sales people exists, so they can take care of that shit instead of me
2018-12-03T14:27:38 < kakimir> yes
2018-12-03T14:27:46 < kakimir> they make also money
2018-12-03T14:27:58 < kakimir> that is used to keep people working
2018-12-03T14:28:12 < zyp> exactly
2018-12-03T14:28:36 < PeterM> sales people are engineers too, they are people engineers, and they hate people jsut as much as all other engineers
2018-12-03T14:28:50 < jpa-> engineers hate people?
2018-12-03T14:29:10 < PeterM> only to the extent that they make your job more difficult
2018-12-03T14:29:27 < PeterM> like, if there was no people, you wouldnt have a job, because you wouldnt exist
2018-12-03T14:30:07 < PeterM> so your job would be simultaneously impossible, and also non existant so no work would need doing and thus it would be already done
2018-12-03T14:30:48 < mitrax> three days ago i sent a quote request to a german manufacturer of stereoscopic camera modules that count people (for retail and transportation application), the guy answered with a mail that basically said "what is this for? your company doesn't seem to be doing that kind of stuff, can i direct you to a company in France that does that kind of stuff?" i said "no thanks, we just need a quote, 
2018-12-03T14:30:48 < mitrax> a third party will handle the integration and installation anyway, we're just asked to supply the hardware" (it's part of a public tender thing we obtained) i also gave some information regarding the application
2018-12-03T14:30:58 < Haohmaru> that's it, i'm taking away all your pillz!
2018-12-03T14:32:25 < mitrax> he answer: "honestly this does sound a bit odd. "and then he goes into Gestapo mode asking who the third party is 
2018-12-03T14:32:40 < mitrax> just give me a fucking price for god's sake
2018-12-03T14:33:08 < Haohmaru> are they trying to sell their cameras or are they fishing for somethin?
2018-12-03T14:33:38 < mitrax> i wonder
2018-12-03T14:33:46 < zyp> that sounds more like a bullshit company
2018-12-03T14:34:00 < jpa-> they want a contact they can use in future, and also want to make sure they don't sell cameras to people who can't install them and come back to give crap
2018-12-03T14:35:20 < zyp> I mean, if they are that picky about who they sell to, it sounds that they want to sell tailored solutions, not off the shelf hardware
2018-12-03T14:35:36 < PeterM> can you contact someone you think already my have a business relationship with them?
2018-12-03T14:36:12 < mitrax> jpa-: i understand their concerns, but there's a way to express it, their way of doing it is not very engaging
2018-12-03T14:36:36 < mitrax> https://people-sensing.com/de/public-transport/
2018-12-03T14:37:47 < mitrax> it's funny considering their advertising video says "Easy set-up in minutes" :)
2018-12-03T14:38:03 < mitrax> Cracki: the one i asked for a quote
2018-12-03T14:38:50 < mitrax> they do sell hardware
2018-12-03T14:39:05 < zyp> Cracki, that looks like hardware with software included though
2018-12-03T14:39:31 < mitrax> their APS-R-POE has ethernet connectivity and you can gather the counting info through different protocols
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2018-12-03T14:46:07 < mitrax> maybe he got suspicious cause i seemed reluctant to give out information about the final customer or the third party doing the integration... but 1- i don't have to 2- each time i did they ended up getting phone calls from sales representatives trying to sell them other shit. Anyway, i'm done ranting, i had to let some steam out :)
2018-12-03T14:54:19 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRmC88mDK7Y kakimusics
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2018-12-03T14:59:29 < kakimir> hello babbyshaker
2018-12-03T15:00:07 < Haohmaru> don't shake le babies
2018-12-03T15:00:28 < Haohmaru> unless u liek small amounts of vomit
2018-12-03T15:05:46 < kakimir> puke
2018-12-03T15:09:50 < Laurenceb124> https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article222494530.html
2018-12-03T15:11:00 < Haohmaru> Laurenceb124 i think ur addicted to the newz
2018-12-03T15:11:06 < Haohmaru> :/
2018-12-03T15:19:32 < Ecco> Meh
2018-12-03T15:19:38 < Ecco> Polygon pour doesn't connect to same-net pads :/
2018-12-03T15:20:03 < Ecco> hmm
2018-12-03T15:20:07 < Ecco> restarting Altium fixed this
2018-12-03T15:20:07 < Ecco> weird
2018-12-03T15:25:11 < jadew> mitrax, just be direct
2018-12-03T15:25:47 < jadew> I don't want to offer any information about our project. Can you please just give me the quote. Thank you, bye.
2018-12-03T15:26:45 < jadew> and when they do, you act grateful and give them a pat on the head, so they're less resistant when you decide to actually place the order
2018-12-03T15:27:38 < jadew> I've met the behaviour you describe too, and I agree, it's very frustrating
2018-12-03T15:28:06 < jadew> but you don't have to put up with it
2018-12-03T15:29:44 < marble_visions> cubemx says there are stm32l010's now
2018-12-03T15:29:49 < marble_visions> but no errata https://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/microcontrollers/stm32-32-bit-arm-cortex-mcus/stm32-ultra-low-power-mcus/stm32l0-series/stm32l0x0-value-line/stm32l010f4.html
2018-12-03T15:29:56 < jadew> mainly, I think they just want to make sure they're selling you the best tool for the job, but it doesn't always come across like that
2018-12-03T15:30:01 < marble_visions> why so, has anyone used them and found anything sketchy?
2018-12-03T15:32:31 < karlp> marble_visions: maybe no errata then...
2018-12-03T15:32:57 < karlp> but pay attentiont to errata for other l0 series, and contact your FAE if you have concerns :)
2018-12-03T15:35:32 < marble_visions> karlp: yes, will the errata for l0 as a whole
2018-12-03T15:41:05 < Thorn> when Laurenceb124 was a teenager https://imgur.com/gallery/wHYRSir
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2018-12-03T15:58:55 < Haohmaru> aww
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2018-12-03T16:18:18 < englishman> canucks in space
2018-12-03T16:20:13 < englishman> mitrax: "we're an OEM and don't have that information"
2018-12-03T16:20:13 < englishman> done
2018-12-03T16:20:44 < mitrax> it's ok i got a price :)
2018-12-03T16:21:09 < mitrax> "I am very sorry for all those questions. And you are right. It is done in goodwill and to protect our company from bad reputation. Because if the system does not perform well, it will be the manufacturer of the counting sensor who will be held accountable. "
2018-12-03T16:29:54 < sync> nice mitrax
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2018-12-03T16:30:59 < mitrax> "Having all of this in mind, you could expect a price of 600€>x<700€."
2018-12-03T16:31:25 < mitrax> not bad i expected a higher price for a niche product
2018-12-03T16:32:05 < Haohmaru> eggspectations -> blown away
2018-12-03T16:32:11 < sync> yeah, that is actually not bad
2018-12-03T16:38:35 < mitrax> yeah... for retail i guess they sell a lot more sensors than for transportation and it's more or less the same thing
2018-12-03T16:49:20 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/NkPULcN.jpg
2018-12-03T16:50:59 < marble_visions> mitrax: i've seen a lot of that behavior when purchasing expensive stuff or stuff in bulk
2018-12-03T16:51:59 < marble_visions> some entities are genuinely concerned and want to help with support, others do analytics
2018-12-03T16:52:24 < qyx> samtec should be concerned too
2018-12-03T16:52:30 < englishman> fuck samtec
2018-12-03T16:52:32 < qyx> I mean a bit less
2018-12-03T16:53:21 < Thorn> what is the story with samtec
2018-12-03T16:53:30 < Thorn> how did it become a meme
2018-12-03T16:53:33 < marble_visions> or maybe you've hit some exotic export laws
2018-12-03T16:53:38 < Thorn> I must have missed that
2018-12-03T16:53:39 < marble_visions> mitrax: ^
2018-12-03T16:54:28 < englishman> they gave me incorrect information, have a shit logistics chain, 20+ people at their company gave 0 fucks, cost me $9k usd, months of lost time, shit is ongoing
2018-12-03T16:55:14 < englishman> i gave them 100k+ business in my first year, this was a single order of $30k for about 700 cables
2018-12-03T16:55:18 < englishman> 0 fucks.
2018-12-03T16:55:22 < englishman> zeero
2018-12-03T16:56:14 < englishman> before all that - they consistently quote 5 day build times when it actually takes 3-4 weeks
2018-12-03T16:56:14  * karlp just loves their meter long triangle shipping tubes.
2018-12-03T16:56:19 < englishman> every single order
2018-12-03T16:56:24 < karlp> so portable, so easy to deliver, so badly packed
2018-12-03T16:56:42 < englishman> also the 5 connectors taking 4cm in a 100cm long tube
2018-12-03T16:56:47 < karlp> indeed .)
2018-12-03T16:56:55 < karlp> I bought 20 or 40 or something, but still, fucking nothing
2018-12-03T16:57:05 < englishman> anyway, i have deemed samtec too risky to do business with
2018-12-03T16:57:15 < englishman> any future projects requiring high-speed internal cables will be rigidflex
2018-12-03T16:57:51 < englishman> saving not only my hair and lifespan, but assembly and logistics cost
2018-12-03T16:57:58 < englishman> fuck samtec
2018-12-03T16:57:59 < englishman> fuck them
2018-12-03T16:58:41 < englishman> i talked to my salesman who is also salesman for the new company i will be at, and learned about their samtec purchases
2018-12-03T16:58:42 < marble_visions> englishman: good to know, thank you
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2018-12-03T16:58:43 < englishman> that will be changing.
2018-12-03T17:04:18 < karlp> talk about complicating things: https://www.silabs.com/community/mcu/32-bit/knowledge-base.entry.html/2018/11/11/understand_the_gnua-zyam
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2018-12-03T17:21:05 < Haohmaru> splush
2018-12-03T17:21:17 < Haohmaru> "oops"
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2018-12-03T18:17:30 < Thorn> osiris-rex stream started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0
2018-12-03T18:18:01 < Haohmaru> <mexican_wave.gif>
2018-12-03T18:19:07 < Haohmaru> wat lab?
2018-12-03T18:19:19 < Haohmaru> oh
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2018-12-03T18:28:44 < qyx> Thorn: is it going to sample now?
2018-12-03T18:32:57 < Laurenceb> s a r g o n
2018-12-03T18:34:26 < Laurenceb> https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5582295,-1.7859616,3a,37.5y,80.26h,90.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZKW22wLBq2UzAio8z1DVoA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
2018-12-03T18:35:15 < Thorn> qyx: probably not, today is "the arrival"
2018-12-03T18:40:50 < qyx> at least some hires images could be made available
2018-12-03T18:43:35 < englishman> wikipedo says it already arrived
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2018-12-03T18:45:04 < Thorn> live coverage bergins
2018-12-03T18:47:25 < qyx> she waves a lot
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2018-12-03T19:03:13 < Laurenceb> Sargon needs to clean up all the litter
2018-12-03T19:08:34 < Thorn> now they're harassing flight controllers in real time lol
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2018-12-03T19:10:00 < englishman> love it
2018-12-03T19:10:58 < englishman> 1915, when they were known as naca
2018-12-03T19:15:48 < Thorn> cut the asteroid mission, we have soyuz docking in progress lol
2018-12-03T19:16:49 < englishman> when is jwst going up Thorn
2018-12-03T19:17:37 < Thorn> dunno
2018-12-03T19:17:50 < Thorn> the jew space telescope
2018-12-03T19:18:15 < englishman> lildongs https://streamable.com/arwdi
2018-12-03T19:18:53 < englishman> the vicious hunter
2018-12-03T19:19:05 < Steffanx> Active beast :P
2018-12-03T19:19:39 < Steffanx> Is the real mr. D also fluffy?
2018-12-03T19:20:29 < englishman> yes a great big hairy russian jew
2018-12-03T19:21:42 < Thorn> spacex in 1 hr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq8kS6UoOrQ
2018-12-03T19:21:51 < englishman> will the dragon capsule have a colour docking camera
2018-12-03T19:33:50 < Laurenceb> kek just saw trailer for mortal engines
2018-12-03T19:34:19 < Laurenceb> >Hester Shaw (Hera Hilmar), emerges as the only one who can stop London — now a giant, predator city on wheels — from devouring everything
2018-12-03T19:34:24 < Laurenceb> orbital sides
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2018-12-03T19:43:48 < Steffanx> Welcome mr sir
2018-12-03T19:44:00 < Steffanx> What can I do for you?
2018-12-03T19:46:10 < qyx> they stopped the stream in case something goes wrong?
2018-12-03T19:48:01 < Steffanx> Nasa or spacex
2018-12-03T19:48:25 < qyx> nasa, iss docking
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2018-12-03T19:56:45 < englishman> qyx, it ended a while ago
2018-12-03T19:56:57 < qyx> wat
2018-12-03T20:00:51 < englishman> it docked, etc
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2018-12-03T20:15:30 < Steffanx> yeah, suddenly some music started to paly
2018-12-03T20:16:14 < Thorn> "hi this is spacex we delayed the launch once again bye"
2018-12-03T20:17:45 < Steffanx> 18:34 UTC.?
2018-12-03T20:19:22 < Thorn> the stream is live
2018-12-03T20:20:00 < Steffanx> Thorn has Cracki  on ignore?
2018-12-03T20:20:15 < englishman> many do
2018-12-03T20:20:21 < Thorn> online != live
2018-12-03T20:20:30 < Steffanx> it means the same thing
2018-12-03T20:20:33 < Thorn> they are known to play muzak for 10+ minutes
2018-12-03T20:20:46 < Thorn> before the actual webcast starts
2018-12-03T20:20:47 < Steffanx> sometimes i wonder if he has me on ignore as well.
2018-12-03T20:21:00 < englishman> apparently this guy will be the last canuck in space
2018-12-03T20:21:08 < Steffanx> for now?
2018-12-03T20:21:17 < englishman> for 20+ years
2018-12-03T20:21:23 < Steffanx> or do you have plans to nuke canada
2018-12-03T20:21:25 < englishman> until new negotiations
2018-12-03T20:21:46 < Steffanx> trump doesnt like canadians?
2018-12-03T20:22:04 < englishman> nothing to do with nasa
2018-12-03T20:22:32 < englishman> since they started training this guy, no plan for additional asstronauts was put in place and no places were made available
2018-12-03T20:23:24 < Steffanx> ah
2018-12-03T20:33:42 < Laurenceb> 30s
2018-12-03T20:33:45 < jadew> wow, nice liftoff
2018-12-03T20:33:53 < Laurenceb> wut
2018-12-03T20:33:57 < Laurenceb> lag?
2018-12-03T20:34:05 < Laurenceb> ur trollin
2018-12-03T20:34:05 < jadew> I'm kidding
2018-12-03T20:34:08 < jadew> yeah
2018-12-03T20:34:37 < Steffanx> i love you too, jadew
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2018-12-03T20:41:30 < englishman> next falcon heavy is in jan apparently
2018-12-03T20:43:02 < Laurenceb> > that was some long thruster action
2018-12-03T20:43:04 < Laurenceb> ur mum
2018-12-03T20:43:13 < jadew> can't believe how accurate it was
2018-12-03T20:43:44 < c10ud> so good it's boring
2018-12-03T20:45:41 < Thorn> Cracki: https://www.tractoptics.com/uploads/general/TightGroup.jpg
2018-12-03T20:46:45 < jadew> that landing pad was moving, wasn't it?
2018-12-03T20:48:08 < Thorn> hatch opening https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMDvPCGeE0
2018-12-03T20:52:13 < Steffanx> No Nim vids?
2018-12-03T20:52:15 < jadew> how far can it shoot?
2018-12-03T20:52:34 < jadew> looks like an effective weapon
2018-12-03T20:52:42 < jadew> or remote fire-starting device
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2018-12-03T20:55:35 < jadew> yeah, I'm wondering how it works too, I assume it's pulsing like that so it knocks the rust off via thermal shock
2018-12-03T20:55:47 < jadew> but it still looks like magic
2018-12-03T20:56:13 < Thorn> why doesn't the metal rust right back (I assume it is heated significantly in the process)
2018-12-03T20:58:12 < jadew> the light looks white to the camera
2018-12-03T20:58:40 < jadew> or maybe that's just emitted as a byproduct
2018-12-03T20:59:27 < englishman> i made some boards for a laz0r ablation company
2018-12-03T20:59:44 < englishman> they have some products from new laz0rco.
2018-12-03T21:00:22 < jadew> englishman, so how does it work?
2018-12-03T21:00:28 < englishman> lazors
2018-12-03T21:01:32 < jadew> any idea on frequency?
2018-12-03T21:01:39 < kakimir> how would you measure range of currents
2018-12-03T21:02:10 < jadew> it almost looks like what happens to metal inside a microwave
2018-12-03T21:02:19 < kakimir> like 2-3magnitudes
2018-12-03T21:02:21 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_ablation
2018-12-03T21:02:26 < englishman> idk any more than that ^
2018-12-03T21:02:45 < kakimir> with really low ohmic loss in all ranges
2018-12-03T21:02:51 < kakimir> when voltage is importance too
2018-12-03T21:03:23 < jadew> well, it looks like the light is in the UV spectrum
2018-12-03T21:04:09 < kakimir> Cracki: I mean more like technical principle how to measure many magnitudes with one device
2018-12-03T21:04:25 < kakimir> all ranges in low ohmic loss
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2018-12-03T21:04:52 < jadew> kakimir, single shunt, different amplification levels
2018-12-03T21:05:09 < Thorn> https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2018-November/198581.html
2018-12-03T21:05:10 < jadew> you can have multiple shunts too, but that means mechanical switching usually
2018-12-03T21:05:20 < Thorn> “IOC3 is hugging hugged beyond belief”, 
2018-12-03T21:05:23 < kakimir> multimeters do that
2018-12-03T21:05:35 < Thorn> “Only Sun can take such nice parts and hug up the programming interface like this. Good job guys...”, 
2018-12-03T21:05:41 < jadew> exactly, DMMs use single shunts tho
2018-12-03T21:05:54 < kakimir> I wonder if there would be solid state solutions
2018-12-03T21:06:53 < jadew> don't know, but the reason why DMMs do it like that is because it's safe
2018-12-03T21:07:13 < jadew> having a low current shunt switched in and then measuring higher current, will heat up your small current shunt
2018-12-03T21:07:40 < jadew> say you need a 10 ohm resistor for lower current stuff and then suddenly your device starts drawing 5A
2018-12-03T21:08:22 < jadew> you have have this arrangement if you know your currents won't be above a certain limit
2018-12-03T21:08:53 < kakimir> interesting thing would be to use mosfet as shunt
2018-12-03T21:08:59 < kakimir> and feedback to control it
2018-12-03T21:09:11 < kakimir> and it would range automatically
2018-12-03T21:09:48 < jadew> makes you wonder why they haven't done that already :)
2018-12-03T21:09:55 < jadew> it's probably not linear
2018-12-03T21:10:25 < jadew> the Rds probably varies enough with load current that it's unreliable
2018-12-03T21:11:27 < kakimir> jadew: it would be probs very complicated feedback mechanism
2018-12-03T21:11:32 < jadew> also, you'd have to know the voltage with high accuracy too
2018-12-03T21:11:58 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1069657950464073728
2018-12-03T21:13:34 < Laurenceb> wew google spotted irl 
2018-12-03T21:13:35 < Laurenceb> https://www.google.com/maps/@53.0200062,-1.7399362,2a,30y,123.38h,81.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz1BhguEm6tQFkTnaWG3Raw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
2018-12-03T21:15:24 < Laurenceb> le tactical streetview shorts
2018-12-03T21:15:40 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/19d-bVomC2yM1XkBgoyjCkY89MGy6WZjP/view?usp=sharing rangeswitching
2018-12-03T21:16:26 < kakimir> still nope
2018-12-03T21:16:38 < kakimir> it's a pattern of sleep program and led sequencer
2018-12-03T21:20:18 < Thorn> moneyed westerners with expensive test equipment
2018-12-03T21:21:15 < englishman> test equipment is best equipment
2018-12-03T21:21:50 < jadew> kakimir, that's probably switching in resistors for the feedback path, not for the shunt
2018-12-03T21:22:07 < englishman> russia considers finland to be the "west"?
2018-12-03T21:22:09 < kakimir> yes
2018-12-03T21:22:14 < englishman> i guess they could change that
2018-12-03T21:22:35 < kakimir> soon.
2018-12-03T21:23:23 < englishman> make lithuania pосси́я again
2018-12-03T21:35:21 < Thorn> hatch still not open
2018-12-03T21:36:24 < Thorn> sum ting wong
2018-12-03T21:38:01 < Thorn> "so what, do we open it"?
2018-12-03T21:38:11 < Thorn> "<sigh> ok go ahead and open"
2018-12-03T21:38:27 < emeb> Latest foolishness: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/synth/f373_seq2/index.html
2018-12-03T21:44:28 < Steffanx> no video + sound of the thing in action or .. is that phase 2?
2018-12-03T21:44:36 < Steffanx> step 2
2018-12-03T21:54:36 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/GerardBattenMEP/status/1069677789828276224
2018-12-03T21:55:07 < Laurenceb> >Sargon of Akkad and Johnny Wong
2018-12-03T21:57:11 < Laurenceb> moar liek Johnny Wrong
2018-12-03T21:57:17 < Steffanx> Laurenceb, you seem to have found a new obsession. Its boring.
2018-12-03T21:57:40 < Laurenceb> its fun when kiwiifarms send updates to his wife
2018-12-03T21:58:12 < Laurenceb> they have a 600page thread devoted to trolling Sargon O_o
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2018-12-03T22:18:01 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1069679948103847939
2018-12-03T22:19:09 < Steffanx> awh, mr stvn (aka crt) saves the day
2018-12-03T22:23:23 < Ecco> Hi :)
2018-12-03T22:23:39 < Ecco> Is there an STM32 emulator available?
2018-12-03T22:23:55 < Ecco> (I know the question is kinda vague)
2018-12-03T22:24:09 < emeb> Steffanx: yeah - will post video at some point. 
2018-12-03T22:24:48 < Steffanx> Real hw is the best emulator, Ecco
2018-12-03T22:25:51 < Ecco> Yeah, Qemu has pretty much everything :)
2018-12-03T22:26:07 < Thorn> Ecco: it's virtually impossible to accurately emulate all peripherals >even if you have the complete HDL< (due to many analog circuits in those peripherals for one thing)
2018-12-03T22:26:15 < Ecco> Makes sense
2018-12-03T22:26:26 < Ecco> In my specific case emulating just the ARM core would already be great
2018-12-03T22:26:36 < Ecco> oh, I got tons of those :)
2018-12-03T22:26:38 < Thorn> use the hardware and builtin debugging features
2018-12-03T22:26:56 < Ecco> hmm, dunno, maybe
2018-12-03T22:28:14 < Ecco> On a completely unrelated note: do you guys do consulting work?
2018-12-03T22:28:24 < Ecco> I have a schematics + PCB that is done
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2018-12-03T22:28:55 < Ecco> and I could be interested in having someone review them
2018-12-03T22:33:18 < Steffanx> Where is catpish :o
2018-12-03T22:35:31 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmkN8DJEZ8I
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2018-12-03T22:40:32 < qyx> Ecco: we all do consulting work for free
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2018-12-03T22:53:19 < englishman> crt: https://i.imgur.com/TtvWVzz.png
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2018-12-03T23:02:17 < englishman> that's very negative of you
2018-12-03T23:02:22 < englishman> you're becoming swiss
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2018-12-03T23:06:17 < Steffanx> nah, superbia1 knew how to be an arsehole before that.
2018-12-03T23:06:34 < Steffanx> ranewen taught him
2018-12-03T23:07:18 < Steffanx> "Who is ranewen" => its the guy he refuses to talk about. (and is actually mr superbia1 himself) :P
2018-12-03T23:11:41 < mitrax> superbia's doppelgänger?
2018-12-03T23:14:17 < Steffanx> Ya
2018-12-03T23:14:25 < Steffanx> until he killed him
2018-12-03T23:22:50 < Steffanx> sleep well
2018-12-03T23:28:42 < kakimir> https://pr0gramm.com/new/2866870 sounds
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2018-12-04T00:01:03 < englishman> emeb, what is it?
2018-12-04T00:01:25 < englishman> as in, what is a gate step sequencer
2018-12-04T00:02:55 < emeb> englishman: it's a functional block for electronic music - generates control voltages and trigger pulses that can be used to play pre-programmed melodies.
2018-12-04T00:03:25 < englishman> as in, it gates other equipment?
2018-12-04T00:03:37 < emeb> yes
2018-12-04T00:03:39 < antto> as in, modular synthesizers
2018-12-04T00:03:39 < englishman> neat
2018-12-04T00:04:01 < antto> where music is a rare thing
2018-12-04T00:04:14 < emeb> yes
2018-12-04T00:04:17 < emeb> mostly noise
2018-12-04T00:04:27 < antto> and buying moar modules
2018-12-04T00:04:31 < englishman> yeah electronic music is super rare and niche
2018-12-04T00:04:48 < antto> making videos to show the poor mortals how much wealth u haz
2018-12-04T00:04:56 < emeb> modular synthis mostly about collecting equipment
2018-12-04T00:05:16 < englishman> does it generate these sequences? or read it from some other source?
2018-12-04T00:05:35 < antto> englishman don't confuse electronic music with modular synthesizers
2018-12-04T00:05:48 < emeb> it stores them in a list and plays them out. You use the screen & touchpads to navigate a UI to enter the data it plays out.
2018-12-04T00:06:14 < englishman> ah cool
2018-12-04T00:06:49 < englishman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CV/gate
2018-12-04T00:06:51 < emeb> there are various options for how to play them - changing the relative rates that it steps thru the lists, etc.
2018-12-04T00:06:52 < englishman> there we go
2018-12-04T00:07:23 < emeb> there are three channels, each up to 16 steps long that can play at independent rates.
2018-12-04T00:07:38 < antto> how many patterns?
2018-12-04T00:07:58 < emeb> I've set the eeprom to store up to 16 "patches"
2018-12-04T00:08:13 < antto> that's not much
2018-12-04T00:08:14 < Thorn> the more computer-like the UI is the less sense it makes as a device as opposed to a piece of software
2018-12-04T00:08:19 < emeb> but there's room for much more, or to make the patches longer.
2018-12-04T00:08:31 < antto> but.. on the other hand, it sorta looks like a pedal
2018-12-04T00:08:46 < antto> so, i guess it's not meant for very serious biddness
2018-12-04T00:09:11 < emeb> Nah - this is a personal project. More just to futz with the touch sensor features of the F373
2018-12-04T00:09:19 < antto> k
2018-12-04T00:09:30 < emeb> and play with some UI ideas for navigating a tiny OLED
2018-12-04T00:09:51  * antto gives emeb a magnifying glass
2018-12-04T00:10:05 < emeb> Serious sequencers that "actual musicians" use are giant things with pots for every step/channel.
2018-12-04T00:10:23 < antto> hm?
2018-12-04T00:10:32 < antto> i thought they were computers with piano rolls
2018-12-04T00:10:54 < englishman> like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3UlKCqtZrc
2018-12-04T00:10:56 < antto> did you mean "serious modular synth autists" ?
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2018-12-04T00:17:06 < antto> emeb why did you go with such a huge voltage range for the CV?!
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2018-12-04T02:47:43 < emeb> antto: +/-7V is a bit larger than it really needs to be. Most CVs only need a 10V range. But - this output buffer is one I designed a while back for audio use and so I just dropped it in w/o changes.
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2018-12-04T03:10:35 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/a/6traUmL inner insulation is all done
2018-12-04T03:11:01 < jadew> aandrew, making an oven?
2018-12-04T03:11:21 < jadew> looks good
2018-12-04T03:11:35 < jadew> I'm going to get back to work on mine in a couple of days
2018-12-04T03:12:01 < aandrew> jadew: yeah. got all the inner insulating done now (reflect a gold and something called "floor and tunnel shield 2" from DEI
2018-12-04T03:12:26 < jadew> I just did mine with tin foil and kapton tape
2018-12-04T03:12:38 < aandrew> also used muffler repair shit (like high temp gasket maker) to seal the oven on the other side, I don't think that was necessary and it was awfully messy
2018-12-04T03:12:42 < jadew> seems to work well, but I didn't make the controller yet
2018-12-04T03:13:07 < aandrew> yeah I have a "ramp soak controller" from ali that should work, but tbh controllduino looks better
2018-12-04T03:13:32 < aandrew> controllduino? reflowduino? whatever the shit it's called
2018-12-04T03:13:52 < aandrew> I bought this oven specifically for reflow last year around this time
2018-12-04T03:14:10 < aandrew> it's a convection oven (that was important to me, I wanted to try to keep normal airflow
2018-12-04T03:14:26 < jadew> mine is convection too
2018-12-04T03:14:44 < aandrew> whether I'm going to cut a hole in the convection fan area and use a servo to draw in cool air for the cooldown or just use a servo to crack the door I'm not sure yet
2018-12-04T03:14:57 < aandrew> probably a servo on the door, that seems to work pretty good from what I've read
2018-12-04T03:15:12 < jadew> yeah, I've read the same thing
2018-12-04T03:15:36 < jadew> might make something from metal once I get a CNC
2018-12-04T03:19:11 < PeterM> aandrew i wonder if there would be any benifit in swapping the heaters out to a pair of these https://www.aliexpress.com/item/heater/2036694556.html ffor more even heating?
2018-12-04T03:19:57 < aandrew> PeterM: I'm really hoping that isn't going to be necessary
2018-12-04T03:20:10 < PeterM> fingers crossed
2018-12-04T03:20:21 < aandrew> this thing has four quartz heaters in it right now and I *hope* that with all the insulation it should heat up fairly fast
2018-12-04T03:20:51 < PeterM> im not concerned about the speed, more the uniformity
2018-12-04T03:20:55 < aandrew> I haven't put insulation around the outside of it yet but I have some fiberglass welder blanket, but I might just go get some thin fiberglass insulation "batting" instead
2018-12-04T03:21:13 < jadew> yep, uniformity is the problem
2018-12-04T03:21:46 < aandrew> well it's an enclosed, insulated space in a fairly steady ambient
2018-12-04T03:21:53 < aandrew> why wouldn't it be repeatable
2018-12-04T03:22:04 < aandrew> or sorry you said uniform as in same temp all over th einside
2018-12-04T03:22:05 < jadew> it would be repeatable, just that some parts might get hotter
2018-12-04T03:22:11 < aandrew> that's what the convection part is for
2018-12-04T03:22:14 < jadew> there's a lot of radiated heat too
2018-12-04T03:22:19 < jadew> straight from the elements
2018-12-04T03:22:26 < aandrew> and I bought a bunch of temperature indicating stickers to test that 
2018-12-04T03:23:10 < aandrew> right right
2018-12-04T03:23:43 < aandrew> I could always rig up some aluminum foil but tbh the PCB holder will be a sheet of alu, and I have two "racks" so the upper rack could hold a reflector as well
2018-12-04T03:24:07 < PeterM> ahh yeah, that works
2018-12-04T03:24:55 < aandrew> it amazes me that toaster ovens are totally uninsulated
2018-12-04T03:25:09 < aandrew> particularly the back wall and bottom, as they're in contact with the environment
2018-12-04T03:25:15 < jadew> yeah, I found that surprising as well
2018-12-04T03:25:27 < jadew> can only imagine the amount of furniture that got ruined by them
2018-12-04T03:25:35 < aandrew> yep
2018-12-04T03:25:53 < jadew> I'm glad tho
2018-12-04T03:26:13 < aandrew> when I fire this up the first time I think I'm going to put a second probe on the back wall to see just how much that floor/tunnel shield stuff protects it
2018-12-04T03:26:17 < jadew> I didn't want to deal with whatever insulation they would have had there anyway
2018-12-04T03:26:22 < aandrew> very true
2018-12-04T03:27:17 < jadew> that's a good idea, I have several spare sensors too
2018-12-04T03:34:04 < PeterM> i wonder how the glass fiber impregnated foam that is used in water heaters would hold up
2018-12-04T03:36:36 < jadew> I don't think water heaters get as hot as an oven
2018-12-04T03:37:06 < jadew> would make no sense for them to get hotter than say... 70 degrees
2018-12-04T03:39:33 < aandrew> you obviously don't shower like I do
2018-12-04T03:40:24 < PeterM> the default thermostat setting is around 60c
2018-12-04T03:40:33 < PeterM> so yes, far below that of an oven
2018-12-04T03:41:28 < jadew> the insulation could hold up, but if they had different constraints it's probably not going to be a good fit
2018-12-04T03:41:37 < jadew> they might make it hold up to say 150 or 200
2018-12-04T03:42:17 < jadew> but proper insulation for an oven would have to be proportionally higher
2018-12-04T03:43:30 < PeterM> i guess it depends on the maximum operating temperature
2018-12-04T03:44:00 < aandrew> ceramic wool is good to like 2200 degrees
2018-12-04T03:44:13 < PeterM> yeah, its just a bit messy
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2018-12-04T04:05:05 < aandrew> hah
2018-12-04T04:05:15 < aandrew> I just test fitted the original rack 
2018-12-04T04:05:29 < aandrew> it doesn't let the door close anymore because of that floor shielding
2018-12-04T04:05:41 < aandrew> I'm going to have to cut a bit of it off
2018-12-04T04:05:45 < aandrew> however
2018-12-04T04:06:05 < aandrew> it has a really handy drip tray that slides in under it which will be a perfect reflector for the bottom elements
2018-12-04T04:06:37 < aandrew> so there won't be any direct radiating heat on the board which I think is probably idea
2018-12-04T04:06:40 < aandrew> ideal
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2018-12-04T04:15:03 < PeterM> from the top too
2018-12-04T04:17:18 < aandrew> well I have a separate aluminum sheet which sits in the top rail (the oven has two rails) so anything from the top would be reflected only
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2018-12-04T04:58:19 < bitmask> grr
2018-12-04T04:58:21 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/miYUplu.png
2018-12-04T04:58:28 < bitmask> why is the top copper showing above everything else
2018-12-04T05:00:09 < jadew> that doesn't look like kicad
2018-12-04T05:00:17 < jadew> it's possible you messed up your layer stackup
2018-12-04T05:00:37 < dongs> uhhhh what
2018-12-04T05:00:38 < dongs> https://twitter.com/zacbowden/status/1069762090708160513?s=19
2018-12-04T05:01:00 < jadew> haha
2018-12-04T05:01:30 < bitmask> its altium
2018-12-04T05:01:33 < PeterM> bitmask, mind sending me your project files?
2018-12-04T05:01:50 < dongs> wot, that looks awful
2018-12-04T05:02:04 < dongs> yeah screenshot your stackup but i dont think its even
2018-12-04T05:02:05 < dongs> that
2018-12-04T05:02:05 < bitmask> just some library I downloaded
2018-12-04T05:02:08 < dongs> try shift-s in that cview
2018-12-04T05:02:10 < dongs> and shift-c
2018-12-04T05:02:15 < dongs> incase you have some stupid shit selected
2018-12-04T05:02:37 < jadew> right, maybe his top mask and core are not being drawn?
2018-12-04T05:02:59 < jadew> although that silkscreen seems to be from the top
2018-12-04T05:03:12 < bitmask> yea, those shortcuts make things worse, thats not it
2018-12-04T05:04:50 < jadew> regarding chromium... not sure how I feel about it
2018-12-04T05:05:08 < jadew> aparently it's faster than FF, but I'm not sure based on what benchmarks
2018-12-04T05:05:19 < jadew> FF seems faster to me
2018-12-04T05:05:27 < PeterM> thats not that difficult, ff has always seems slow to me
2018-12-04T05:05:33 < jadew> really?
2018-12-04T05:05:39 < PeterM> even compared to *ghasp* ie6
2018-12-04T05:05:52 < PeterM> yes, really
2018-12-04T05:06:29 < PeterM> i think it has something to do with large amount of ram available, and chrome/ie taking advantage of  that and ff not
2018-12-04T05:06:30 < jadew> the latest thing that I found working better on FF is netflix
2018-12-04T05:06:49 < jadew> chrome can start lagging at max resolution, FF doesn't
2018-12-04T05:10:27 < bitmask> grr layer stackup looks fine, wtf is going on
2018-12-04T05:10:50 < jadew> have you tried turning it off and on again?
2018-12-04T05:11:02 < bitmask> what
2018-12-04T05:11:20 < jadew> I was quoting the IT crowd
2018-12-04T05:11:24 < jadew> restart Altium
2018-12-04T05:11:27 < jadew> see if it helps
2018-12-04T05:12:08 < bitmask> yea ive tried
2018-12-04T05:18:22 < dongs> define "fine"
2018-12-04T05:18:25 < dongs> pic of it nigger
2018-12-04T05:18:45 < PeterM> not even, jsut post a zip of your project files
2018-12-04T05:18:53 < dongs> yeah or that
2018-12-04T05:18:58 < PeterM> will take jsut as long and will give all the information needed
2018-12-04T05:25:34 < bitmask> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4584mjns542hrsq/HeatedHoodieJLCPCB.zip?dl=0
2018-12-04T05:28:12 < dongs> besides gay colors, lokos fine here
2018-12-04T05:28:33 < bitmask> hmm, maybe bug in my version
2018-12-04T05:30:01 < dongs> and bitmask, you've definitely fucked up those thermals on the battery inputs, just make them direct connect there
2018-12-04T05:30:15 < dongs> i rememeber you asked something autistic few days ago and i told you to use your head
2018-12-04T05:31:20 < PeterM> yeah, it looks fine here too
2018-12-04T05:31:22 < bitmask> how are they fucked up? I replaced my footprints and the rule got trashed so they are skinny now, is that all?
2018-12-04T05:31:34 < dongs> guess so yeah
2018-12-04T05:32:08 < bitmask> ok I'll beef em up
2018-12-04T05:32:18 < aandrew> word dongs
2018-12-04T05:33:39 < emeb_mac> dongs: F3 touch stuff I did recently -> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/synth/f373_seq2/index.html
2018-12-04T05:33:41 < dongs> fucking hell my USB stuff died again
2018-12-04T05:33:51 < dongs> emeb_mac: cool
2018-12-04T05:34:06 < dongs> wow even opensroes
2018-12-04T05:34:09 < emeb_mac> dongs: worked fine - no big deal
2018-12-04T05:34:44 < emeb_mac> ya - decided to publish it all - none of the synth clients cared.
2018-12-04T05:34:47 < bitmask> also what are the rules for board edges? How close can copper pours and silkscreen get?
2018-12-04T05:35:36 < aandrew> heh I don't believe
2018-12-04T05:35:47 < aandrew> I wrote ~100 lines of VHDL and not one syntax error
2018-12-04T05:36:01 < aandrew> also my shitload of MCX connectors shipped from china
2018-12-04T05:36:55 < aandrew> lol"
2018-12-04T05:37:05 < aandrew> get $31 off when you spend $588 at random_ali_store
2018-12-04T05:38:14 < johntramp> if I have a gpio interrupt which goes high during the time i have interrupts disabled, would it trigger when i reenable them, or is that rising edge 'lost'?
2018-12-04T05:38:40 < aandrew> it's lost
2018-12-04T05:38:48 < aandrew> er
2018-12-04T05:38:49 < aandrew> I think it is
2018-12-04T05:38:54 < PeterM> aandrew fingers crossed they are decent quality
2018-12-04T05:38:57 < aandrew> easy to test
2018-12-04T05:39:05 < aandrew> PeterM: they don't have to be for this application
2018-12-04T05:39:12 < aandrew> if I can get 10MHz out of them I'll be happy
2018-12-04T05:39:15 < aandrew> (not a typo)
2018-12-04T05:39:41 < PeterM> oh, i mean decent as in they are within tolerance to mate properly
2018-12-04T05:39:42 < aandrew> johntramp: I can't remember now if it's a pin change flag that is masked to give an interrupt or not
2018-12-04T05:39:50 < aandrew> PeterM: oh. well yeah I hope so too
2018-12-04T05:39:57 < aandrew> so far I have been very fortunate with my ali orders
2018-12-04T05:40:03 < aandrew> almost as fortunate as englishman with samtec :-)
2018-12-04T05:41:24 < PeterM> hahaha, ive been pretty lucky too, i think i have only ordered one thing that ive had a problem with, and ive punched a huge amount of money through that website
2018-12-04T05:41:26 < johntramp> aandrew: hmm ok thanks,  so i should probably be checking the pin state manually 
2018-12-04T05:42:10 < PeterM> i mean, sometimes i order stuff and its garbage, but for the thing, i fully expected it to be garbage
2018-12-04T05:44:45 < aandrew> yeah I never got garbage
2018-12-04T05:44:46 < aandrew> not yet anyway
2018-12-04T05:46:24 < dongs> mate
2018-12-04T05:47:50 < jadew> all cheap coaxial connectors from china are garbage
2018-12-04T05:47:54 < jadew> ALL OF THEM
2018-12-04T05:48:55 < jadew> avoid mating them with good connectors
2018-12-04T05:50:22 < jadew> that's especially true for the miniature ones (SMA, SMB, etc)
2018-12-04T05:50:47 < jadew> if you're lucky, you may find a good source of BNC connectors tho
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2018-12-04T05:51:23 < aandrew> man I've boguht a lot of shit off ali
2018-12-04T05:51:36 < aandrew> jadew: I don't doubt it
2018-12-04T05:52:42 < jadew> not saying you can't use them in products, since you can, especially if they're meant to be mated once and be left like that
2018-12-04T05:53:16 < jadew> but they're poorly made (mechanically)
2018-12-04T05:53:40 < dongs> ah my YMU synth breakout shit is here
2018-12-04T05:53:44 < dongs> i wonder if ill get it working
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2018-12-04T06:09:48 < englishman> aandrew why didnt you just buy my reflow oven with controlleo2 and extra heater thing and servo and all that shit
2018-12-04T06:10:00 < dongs> what teh fuck
2018-12-04T06:10:00 < englishman> works gr8 made TENS of boards with it
2018-12-04T06:10:02 < englishman> before upgrading
2018-12-04T06:10:03 < dongs> dyndns is now $55 a year
2018-12-04T06:10:12 < englishman> dyndns is owned by oracle
2018-12-04T06:10:13 < dongs> it used to be like $10
2018-12-04T06:10:16 < dongs> yeah i noticed
2018-12-04T06:10:22 < dongs> it became some faggot web 5.0 site
2018-12-04T06:10:25 < dongs> took me 10 mins just to find new pricing
2018-12-04T06:10:40 < jadew> why pay for that?
2018-12-04T06:11:02 < englishman> yeah that too, doesnt your domain registrar offer that for free since 10 years
2018-12-04T06:11:58 < dongs> lol it used to be 9.95 a year
2018-12-04T06:12:14 < dongs> in 2005
2018-12-04T06:12:27 < dongs> then 11.50 in 2007
2018-12-04T06:12:32 < dongs> then 30 in 2009
2018-12-04T06:12:33 < aandrew> englishman: well I didn't know what you had for one
2018-12-04T06:12:35 < dongs> then 20 in 2011
2018-12-04T06:12:39 < dongs> then 40 in 2012
2018-12-04T06:12:44 < dongs> then 72 in 2016
2018-12-04T06:12:50 < dongs> and now niggers managed to charge me $99 before i notioced
2018-12-04T06:13:00 < englishman> aandrew its been sitting on a shelf over 2 years
2018-12-04T06:13:50 < englishman> larry ellison isnt even doing cool space shit or suing lunix anymore
2018-12-04T06:13:51 < jadew> dongs, and you want to keep using them?
2018-12-04T06:14:11 < dongs> probly not after 2 years lol
2018-12-04T06:14:18 < dongs> but they already raped me until 2020 so
2018-12-04T06:14:29 < jadew> ah, you're already too far in to request a refund?
2018-12-04T06:15:10 < dongs> http://dyn.com/legal/refund-policy doesnt work
2018-12-04T06:15:18 < dongs> which is the shit in email
2018-12-04T06:15:28 < dongs> anyway, i dont care ill keep them until 2020 and probly trash the shit after
2018-12-04T06:15:34 < dongs> assuming they don't die before then
2018-12-04T06:15:42 < dongs> at $99 i can't imagine them keeping many customersl
2018-12-04T06:15:58 < jadew> for a service you can get for free
2018-12-04T06:16:22 < dongs> yeah i mean i could just moev all my shit off mine.nu into bcas.tv or somethign
2018-12-04T06:16:26 < dongs> it'll be same amount of typing
2018-12-04T06:16:55 < jadew> what's that?
2018-12-04T06:17:23 < jadew> this is not for your own domain?
2018-12-04T06:17:24 < dongs> i just have a bunch of *.mine.nu subdomains (not my domain, that was one of the few 100s random domains dyndns offered
2018-12-04T06:17:30 < dongs> yeah
2018-12-04T06:17:43 < dongs> i mean for 10 bucks a year idgaf
2018-12-04T06:18:10 < jadew> I'm not going to even ask how you ended up paying for that
2018-12-04T06:18:26 < dongs> wot
2018-12-04T06:18:28 < jadew> that's been practically free since the begining of the internet
2018-12-04T06:18:32 < englishman> everyone used dyndns 10 years ago
2018-12-04T06:18:43 < jadew> I thought you're using dyndns for your own domain
2018-12-04T06:18:43 < dongs> yeah
2018-12-04T06:18:52 < dongs> what he said
2018-12-04T06:19:11 < dongs> im not even sure they have a free tiear anymore
2018-12-04T06:19:12 < dongs> probly not?
2018-12-04T06:19:18 < dongs> their site is retarded so i cant find shit
2018-12-04T06:21:45 < jadew> looks like my oldest domain is from 2006
2018-12-04T06:21:52 < jadew> not sure if I had any others prior to that
2018-12-04T06:22:16 < jadew> I had some shock sites at one point - those could have been older
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2018-12-04T06:40:09 < aandrew> yeah they do
2018-12-04T06:40:10 < aandrew> I use it
2018-12-04T06:40:13 < aandrew> two domains
2018-12-04T06:40:35 < aandrew> I had my own dnssrv dynamic thing but then I updated my router and never got back around to fixing it
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2018-12-04T06:41:13 < dongs> so? youre giving these cunts $9?
2018-12-04T06:41:14 < dongs> $99?
2018-12-04T06:41:23 < aandrew> me?
2018-12-04T06:41:30 < aandrew> I'm on the free domain
2018-12-04T06:41:30 < dongs> or do you mean their free tier works
2018-12-04T06:41:37 < aandrew> dyndns.net
2018-12-04T06:41:38 < dongs> on dyn.com?
2018-12-04T06:41:41 < dongs> ok lets see
2018-12-04T06:41:49 < aandrew> er no ddns.net
2018-12-04T06:42:01 < dongs> o eyah thats not dyndns.com tho
2018-12-04T06:42:35 < aandrew> oh you're talking about a different company
2018-12-04T06:42:38 < aandrew> my mistake
2018-12-04T06:42:51 < dongs> ya
2018-12-04T06:46:24 < aandrew> ok time to see if my hdl spi port is working
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2018-12-04T07:10:43 < aandrew> holy shit, it worked
2018-12-04T07:11:05 < aandrew> my generic spi port peripheral did the right thing, and the register logic I wrote worked more or less out of the box
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2018-12-04T07:53:22 < ColdKeyboard> Does anyone have an example project for STM32 that basically acts as pass-through USB CCID?
2018-12-04T07:54:26 < ColdKeyboard> I've found one for STM32072B-EVAL but I'm not sure if I can skip ST8024LACDR and directly connect lines to STM32F072 since I have a nucleo board...
2018-12-04T08:02:27 < dongs> well
2018-12-04T08:02:32 < dongs> technically, you can yeah
2018-12-04T08:02:47 < dongs> ST8024LACDR is just for level shifting
2018-12-04T08:02:52 < dongs> and card reset/power management
2018-12-04T08:02:58 < dongs> if you got a card that will take 3.3V
2018-12-04T08:03:29 < dongs> you can just directly connect usart_ck, rx( or whatever one becomes i/o) and any random gpio as rst
2018-12-04T08:03:56 < dongs> what teh shit are you trying to do
2018-12-04T08:04:13 < dongs> what's a 'passthrough' ccid?
2018-12-04T08:04:26 < dongs> i've written smartcard stuff on stm, as both host and card itself
2018-12-04T08:05:26 < bitmask> so I just randomly fixed my issue while working on the second board
2018-12-04T08:05:41 < bitmask> in 3d mode right click -> polygon -> shelve 
2018-12-04T08:05:42 < bitmask> wtf is that
2018-12-04T08:06:05 < dongs> uh, same as tgh in 2d mode?
2018-12-04T08:06:09 < dongs> no idea
2018-12-04T08:06:43 < dongs> tgh/tge
2018-12-04T08:07:42 < bitmask> ehh its showing as a violation now, not sure what I did :P
2018-12-04T08:08:05 < dongs> tga to re-fill polys
2018-12-04T08:08:11 < dongs> they become invalidated after hide
2018-12-04T08:08:14 < bitmask> oh gay it just temporarily hides it
2018-12-04T08:15:00 < dongs> thats not gay, thats very useful
2018-12-04T08:16:39 < bitmask> I just meant it wasn't what I was trying to do
2018-12-04T08:19:54 < ColdKeyboard> dongs Basically I want to plug in the smart card into a STM32 (connect it via smart card socket) and I want to be able to interact with that smart card through USB (in Windows or Unix)
2018-12-04T08:21:23 < dongs> yeah so. use the 072 sample. don't connect through power management ic.
2018-12-04T08:21:34 < dongs> but really why would you even do this
2018-12-04T08:21:43 < dongs> dedicated smartcard->ccid ICs are like $0.50
2018-12-04T08:21:46 < dongs> and smaller than STM32
2018-12-04T08:22:01 < dongs> the onyl reason you'd want to have smartcard going THROUGH stm32 is if you were gonna actually tlak to it directly from mcu
2018-12-04T08:22:05 < dongs> like for timing analysis or whatever
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2018-12-04T08:38:43 < qyx> dongs: do you know if any stm32 smartcard? or you did some emulating hackery to steal tv
2018-12-04T08:39:05 < dongs> qyx, what do you mean? is that if supposed to be somethign else
2018-12-04T08:39:13 < Haohmaru> "of"
2018-12-04T08:39:18 < dongs> i mean any STM32 can be a smartcard, as long as you can fit it on a card thin enough
2018-12-04T08:39:33 < dongs> and it has USART with isowhatevertehfuckmode
2018-12-04T08:39:35 < qyx> if->of :>
2018-12-04T08:39:44 < qyx> I know it is possible
2018-12-04T08:39:45 < bitmask> hmm, I dun think my buttons are big enough, oh well https://i.imgur.com/bBrtBtu.png
2018-12-04T08:39:50 < dongs> i used qfn F0
2018-12-04T08:40:01 < dongs> and 0.6mm pcb
2018-12-04T08:40:28 < qyx> yeah, I saw that.. I am more interested in serious SIM-sized cards
2018-12-04T08:40:42 < qyx> there are some AVR and then a ton of custom shit
2018-12-04T08:40:56 < dongs> you can buy STM32s as dies
2018-12-04T08:41:03 < qyx> hrmm
2018-12-04T08:42:42 < aandrew> there we go, got the pwm HDL doing more or less what it's supposed to
2018-12-04T08:44:51 < qyx> dongs: uh iso7816 smarcards are ~0.8mm thick, how did you fit 0.6mm pcb & qfn into the socket?
2018-12-04T08:45:19 < aandrew> qyx: you've seen those videos with the hydraulic presses?
2018-12-04T08:45:50 < dongs> qyx, the application i used it with had a finger-sized opening near top of the slot for removing the card
2018-12-04T08:45:57 < dongs> so i got F0 and a NRF24 in there.
2018-12-04T08:45:58 < qyx> :D
2018-12-04T08:46:16 < qyx> got it
2018-12-04T08:47:26 < dongs> anyway, all the actual bonded simcard chips are faggot NDAs
2018-12-04T08:47:33 < dongs> and paper-bound docs
2018-12-04T08:47:46 < dongs> i used insidesecure shit, its AVR, and all teh docs are only available on paper
2018-12-04T08:47:50 < dongs> like 30kg of books
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2018-12-04T09:26:10 < PeterM> why do load switches have either such shitty Rds(on) or cost an arm and a leg?
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2018-12-04T09:31:33 < zyp> loose guess: the shitty ones have a p-ch mosfet while the expensive ones have a n-ch mosfet and a bootstrap circuit to drive it
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2018-12-04T09:51:28 < PeterM> seems reasonable, obviously a charge pump not a bootstrap but still jsut as valid
2018-12-04T09:51:51 < PeterM> for some reason i had sorta "forgotten" about p-ch fets
2018-12-04T09:52:15 < PeterM> maybe its because they're garbage
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2018-12-04T09:53:50 < dongs> PeterM: how else would i do high-current buck controller with wide vin
2018-12-04T09:53:51 < qyx> so large stm32 flash sectors, much size
2018-12-04T09:53:52 < dongs> if not pfet
2018-12-04T09:54:32 < qyx> with a nfet?
2018-12-04T09:55:03 < dongs> link me to a a chinapart that acn use a nfet
2018-12-04T09:55:39 < qyx> surely there is $$$ analog/linear one
2018-12-04T09:57:02 < PeterM> dongs how high current, and what input range?
2018-12-04T09:57:11 < dongs> external fet for high current.
2018-12-04T09:57:15 < dongs> 4.5->50V or so
2018-12-04T09:57:22 < dongs> for an air battery
2018-12-04T09:57:29 < dongs> output is 5V @ 8-10A
2018-12-04T09:57:49 < dongs> was looking at LM5085 but will gladly use something else
2018-12-04T09:57:55 < dongs> still in derping stages
2018-12-04T10:00:14 < qyx> looks cheap
2018-12-04T10:02:19 < dongs> it is cheap
2018-12-04T10:02:28 < dongs> these cunts want even higher switching freq tho
2018-12-04T10:02:36 < dongs> i said nobodty runs 50V stuff at 1MHz even
2018-12-04T10:02:43 < dongs> even TI itself only specs the shit at 300khz
2018-12-04T10:02:55 < dongs> and their weebbench is busted so I cant actually verify it at other parameters
2018-12-04T10:03:57 < qyx> btw whats an air battery?
2018-12-04T10:04:02 < qyx> air-zinc?
2018-12-04T10:04:29 < dongs> it some trash that has unlimited(?) shelf life and only runs when activated
2018-12-04T10:04:34 < dongs> for some emergency power supply shite
2018-12-04T10:04:43 < qyx> yeah
2018-12-04T10:05:04 < qyx> it is actually not trash, because high power density and awesome
2018-12-04T10:05:22 < qyx> there are LR44-like batteries for hearing aids
2018-12-04T10:05:31 < qyx> with a label on top of them
2018-12-04T10:05:54 < qyx> they start to generate current when you remove it and let the air go inside
2018-12-04T10:06:42 < qyx> they are like 2x more mAh than alkaline/silver
2018-12-04T10:07:31 < PeterM> if they want high freq you will need to do something a bit less integrated, its hard to drive fet gates that hard in an integrated device
2018-12-04T10:08:44 < dongs> what would be less integrated in this case?
2018-12-04T10:09:04 < dongs> external fet, what else/
2018-12-04T10:09:08 < dongs> external gate driver/ heh
2018-12-04T10:09:10 < PeterM> seperate controller, driver and fets
2018-12-04T10:09:15 < dongs> i see
2018-12-04T10:09:16 < dongs> hmm
2018-12-04T10:09:23 < PeterM> you can get gate drivers cheap though
2018-12-04T10:09:30 < PeterM> EG micro does some good ones
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2018-12-04T10:13:22 < PeterM> that LM5085 non synchronous at 5v 8-10a is gonna be horrible for efficiency
2018-12-04T10:13:58 < dongs> ya?
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2018-12-04T10:15:19 < qyx> yes because nearly 20% busted on the diode
2018-12-04T10:18:17 < dongs> well shit
2018-12-04T10:19:37 < PeterM> http://egmicro.com/download/EG2104_datasheet.pdf one of these, some 60v fets, a 3525 and some passives
2018-12-04T10:20:00 < dongs> isnt that just a generic gate driver
2018-12-04T10:20:13 < dongs>  wait wat
2018-12-04T10:20:16 < dongs> thats a complete controller?
2018-12-04T10:20:23 < dongs> hm no its not
2018-12-04T10:20:35 < PeterM> thats a gate driver, single input, with deadtime generator
2018-12-04T10:20:41 < PeterM> and its like $0.2
2018-12-04T10:21:17 < PeterM> so you basically feed it a PWM signal and it will drive the halfbridge for you and not cook your fets
2018-12-04T10:21:24 < dongs> yeah sure
2018-12-04T10:21:31 < PeterM> and you use a 3525 pwm controller to generate the pwm
2018-12-04T10:21:34 < qyx> LM5141 not good?
2018-12-04T10:21:53 < dongs> PeterM: um, im hpoing for something a bit less raw , somethign that at least has a 'dc/dc controller' in name
2018-12-04T10:21:56 < dongs> lol
2018-12-04T10:22:55 < qyx> it has an app note 2.2MHz, 6A out with 60V nmos sync
2018-12-04T10:23:22 < PeterM> the LM5141 will do then, but probably somewhere in the order of 5x the price
2018-12-04T10:23:54 < dongs> yeah its $8 even in china
2018-12-04T10:23:55 < dongs> jesus
2018-12-04T10:24:03 < PeterM> also as qyx says, it has an appnote so less dev time
2018-12-04T10:24:49 < qyx> how much does the LM5085 costs in china?
2018-12-04T10:25:29 < qyx> because the price difference on mouser is like ~2x
2018-12-04T10:25:46 < dongs> ah its a nfet hbridge design eh
2018-12-04T10:26:04 < dongs> qyx wyeh i checked couple days ago it was like $1.7 or someshit
2018-12-04T10:26:05 < dongs> for samples
2018-12-04T10:26:35 < PeterM> LM5085 is pretty cheap, probs $1.20 for 100x
2018-12-04T10:27:03 < qyx> LM5141 is 2.85€/100pcs
2018-12-04T10:27:19 < qyx> so definitely less than $8
2018-12-04T10:28:23 < dongs> ah, chinagirl has no stock so its retarded 'buy from digikey and markup' price
2018-12-04T10:30:27 < dongs> hm that TI part has current sense
2018-12-04T10:30:30 < dongs> for waTt?
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2018-12-04T10:31:07 < PeterM> so it can run DCCM at low load probably
2018-12-04T10:31:25 < PeterM> let me have a look
2018-12-04T10:31:48 < Ecco> Hi :)
2018-12-04T10:32:05 < Ecco> I have a question regarding solder masks, and more specifically the solder mask silver constraint in Altium
2018-12-04T10:32:14 < dongs> yeah disable ti
2018-12-04T10:32:20 < dongs> that and the silk to silk clearance
2018-12-04T10:32:21 < Ecco> my understanding is that the constraint in Altium is here to prevent manufacturing issues
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2018-12-04T10:32:39 < dongs> there's like 4 design rules in altidumb that you gotta turn off right away
2018-12-04T10:33:00 < PeterM> your board manufacturer will take care of the thin soldermask slivers by themselves
2018-12-04T10:33:05 < Ecco> oh, ok
2018-12-04T10:33:39 < Ecco> Because I actually did a component's footprint following the datasheet and using Altium's expansion rules
2018-12-04T10:33:49 < Ecco> and it indeed yields some very thin solder mask areas
2018-12-04T10:34:01 < Ecco> I understand the fab house will discard them
2018-12-04T10:34:15 < Ecco> but if I want to do it myself, shall I simply slightly expand the mask?
2018-12-04T10:34:30 < Ecco> (so that the thin areas dissapear into one single big mask)
2018-12-04T10:36:01 < PeterM> yeah, it looks like it has the resistor for low load DCCM (once the inductor current reaches 0A, turn off synchronous mosfet so current doesnt flow from output to gnd via synchronous mosfet) and for cycle by cycle current limit (starting up into a load/capacitor without saturating the inductor)
2018-12-04T10:39:21 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/B032hpW.png i found the best pin
2018-12-04T10:40:27 < PeterM> Ecco it depends really. I don't like non default mask rules for footprints, because then if you change the rules in your design rules, it doesnt effect that compoent
2018-12-04T10:40:51 < PeterM> and you can easily forget
2018-12-04T10:45:28 < Ecco> Makes sense
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2018-12-04T10:51:30 < Haohmaru> why do i see a bunch of passive components with "DNP" in their values?
2018-12-04T10:51:40 < Haohmaru> afaik that means "do not populate"
2018-12-04T10:52:07 < Haohmaru> why do they put them in the first place
2018-12-04T10:52:57 < PeterM> testing
2018-12-04T10:53:04 < PeterM> alternative components
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2018-12-04T10:53:14 < PeterM> different configs
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2018-12-04T10:54:51 < Haohmaru> so they put the in the schematic "just in case" .. then they make PCBs, put everything on them, test, wonder if they can omit some of the crap, test, ooh - it still workz(TM), put "DNP" in the schematic..?
2018-12-04T10:55:01 < Haohmaru> * put them
2018-12-04T10:56:58 < dongs> no
2018-12-04T10:57:32 < Haohmaru> i mean, it is certainly a moar scientific process than my eggsplanation
2018-12-04T11:01:16 < zyp> it's common to add DNP parts in RF circuits, so you can later add extra passives for tuning
2018-12-04T11:01:24 < zyp> i.e. antenna matching
2018-12-04T11:02:06 < dongs> http://c220103143.lpu.scd.wezhan.cn/PrevProductContentPage/82053
2018-12-04T11:02:31 < zyp> antenna gets detuned by stuff like the enclosure, so you might have to add some capacitance here or there to tune it right again
2018-12-04T11:04:47 < Haohmaru> i'm copy/pasting from a devkit/evalboard, specifically i'm copying just the stuff i think is needed for the cortex and ethernet phy to work.. i had to change certain things (my cortex chip is a smaller version)
2018-12-04T11:05:34 < dongs> time to fire up cubemx
2018-12-04T11:05:47 < dongs> Connection to HTTP server
2018-12-04T11:06:16 < Haohmaru> and, for example, the PHY requires a precise resistor with a 6.49k value on a pin.. the dev kit also adds a 100pF cap on that, which is then marked "DNP"
2018-12-04T11:06:33 < Haohmaru> were they trying to lowpass filter it?
2018-12-04T11:06:57 < dongs> huh.. no FSMC on F103RC?
2018-12-04T11:07:20 < dongs> meh fuckit
2018-12-04T11:07:22 < dongs> will just buttbang
2018-12-04T11:10:18 < zyp> Haohmaru, probably EMC considerations
2018-12-04T11:11:04 < Haohmaru> like, to lowpass it so it doesn't get affected too much from surrounding noise?
2018-12-04T11:11:16 < zyp> or to dampen it a bit so it doesn't radiate
2018-12-04T11:12:04 < Haohmaru> hm, my impression is that the role of this resistor is to set some reference current level which is used by the PHY for driving some sh*t
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2018-12-04T11:13:15 < Haohmaru> REXT (input): "Set PHY Transmit Output Current. Connect a 6.49 kΩ resistor to ground on this pin."
2018-12-04T11:13:22 < dongs> yeah.
2018-12-04T11:13:24 < dongs> thats important.
2018-12-04T11:13:28 < dongs> and it has to be 6.49k
2018-12-04T11:13:38 < zyp> Haohmaru, this was ksz8081rnaca?
2018-12-04T11:15:21 < Haohmaru> yup
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2018-12-04T11:15:30 < zyp> I've used that a couple times
2018-12-04T11:16:22 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/Q8moB.png <- just Rext without any cap (left side, below the crystal)
2018-12-04T11:16:26 < zyp> worked fine
2018-12-04T11:17:12 < Haohmaru> so i guess the chip feeds a voltage on that resistor, and then uses the current as a reference.. but i guess it can be affected by surrounding noise, so they've put a capacitor to smooth the voltage (and make the noise in the current be eaten away by the cap)
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2018-12-04T11:17:24 < Haohmaru> but they then figured it works fine even without it
2018-12-04T11:17:28 < Haohmaru> something like that?
2018-12-04T11:17:31 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/ScDxl.png <- here's another design, this one I haven't tested in practice yet
2018-12-04T11:18:16 < zyp> pretty much same schematic, just a new layout
2018-12-04T11:19:42 < Haohmaru> hm, are these just two-copper layer boards?!
2018-12-04T11:19:52 < zyp> no, both are 4L
2018-12-04T11:23:51 < Haohmaru> ah, gud..
2018-12-04T11:24:18 < zyp> 4L is addicting, once you've gotten used to the convenience, you don't want to go back to 2L :p
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2018-12-04T11:25:19 < Haohmaru> i bet there are techniques for it, but i have no idea
2018-12-04T11:25:31 < zyp> for 4L?
2018-12-04T11:26:09 < Haohmaru> the user manual of the eval board has the PCB layout shown, so i'm trying to steal from it and to figure out wut they're doing
2018-12-04T11:26:22 < Haohmaru> yez
2018-12-04T11:26:37 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/5kDqpKW.jpg max autism
2018-12-04T11:26:41 < zyp> well, 4L is easy mode :p
2018-12-04T11:27:25 < zyp> with 4L you put power and ground planes on inner layers, so you have power/ground available anywhere, leaving the outer layers free to place components and run signals
2018-12-04T11:27:48 < Haohmaru> yes, that's as much as i know
2018-12-04T11:27:56 < zyp> while on 2L you have to worry about how to cross signals with power/ground
2018-12-04T11:27:56 < dongs> so thats it
2018-12-04T11:28:02 < dongs> the rest you just route stuff.
2018-12-04T11:29:21 < Haohmaru> yeah but i saw some interesting things on the demoboard
2018-12-04T11:30:02 < zyp> 4L doesn't cost that much more, so I prefer using it whenever there's enough complexity to justify it, even though I could probably get by with 2L
2018-12-04T11:30:12 < Haohmaru> the top side doesn't have a GND fill, the bottom does, and it sorta surrounds everything
2018-12-04T11:30:49 < zyp> how many layers are the demoboard?
2018-12-04T11:30:56 < Haohmaru> 4
2018-12-04T11:31:19 < zyp> you don't need ground pours in outer layers when you have a whole inner layer dedicated to ground
2018-12-04T11:31:42 < Haohmaru> the top only has a few small ground fills here or there for specific stuff, like around the crystals..
2018-12-04T11:33:24 < zyp> on 2L boards you generally want ground pours in both layers, because they tend to be broken up by other signals, so you stitch them together to form a ground plane
2018-12-04T11:33:41 < zyp> on 4L boards, that's not a concern
2018-12-04T11:34:25 < Haohmaru> my previous PCBs were all 2 layers.. ;P~
2018-12-04T11:35:14 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/r1ChW.JPG <- here's one I did once, that's an example of that :p
2018-12-04T11:35:55 < Haohmaru> x_x
2018-12-04T11:36:40 < zyp> power and ground in layers 2 and 3
2018-12-04T11:37:02 < Haohmaru> imma stick to QFP/QFN for now ;P~
2018-12-04T11:37:20 < zyp> I don't have a photo of the back, but I have a render of it: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/kgGn6.png
2018-12-04T11:37:42 < zyp> in 4L boards?
2018-12-04T11:37:56 < zyp> if most of the signals are in L4, put ground in L3
2018-12-04T11:38:04 < Haohmaru> my intuition told me to put gnd on the layer right below the top
2018-12-04T11:38:16 < Haohmaru> no idea if it makes a difference
2018-12-04T11:38:23 < zyp> Cracki, exactly
2018-12-04T11:39:06 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/ScDxl.png <- in this design I think I have ground in L3
2018-12-04T11:39:21 < zyp> since most of the signals are in L4
2018-12-04T11:39:50 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/44ZNT.png <- power layer looks like this
2018-12-04T11:39:55 < zyp> yeah
2018-12-04T11:40:07 < zyp> or looked, that was before I put in ethernet
2018-12-04T11:41:02 < Haohmaru> your tracks are very thin btw
2018-12-04T11:41:12 < zyp> 8 mil is not thin
2018-12-04T11:42:41 < zyp> Cracki, when you start worrying too much about which layers are getting the best ground plane, it's time to go 6L with grounds in both L2 and L5
2018-12-04T11:43:53 < Haohmaru> so, my intuition wasn't very wrong
2018-12-04T11:43:57 < zyp> I'm serious, when you have shit like DDR signals and other high speed buses, this is a common way to do it
2018-12-04T11:44:19 < zyp> where you put power is not so important
2018-12-04T11:44:29 < zyp> probably in L3 or L4
2018-12-04T11:47:07 < Haohmaru> okay, when tracks get as thin as that, do you compensate by ordering PCBs with extra thicc copper?
2018-12-04T11:47:37 < qyx> you cannot have thick copper with such traces
2018-12-04T11:47:51 < zyp> what qyx said
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2018-12-04T11:48:25 < zyp> the thicker copper you have, the thicker the minimum trace width is, otherwise you risk the traces being eaten up from the sides
2018-12-04T11:49:41 < zyp> the thing is that signal traces doesn't need to be thick, they're not transporting a lot of energy
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2018-12-04T11:50:17 < Haohmaru> hmz
2018-12-04T12:01:21 < Haohmaru> well, as i have 0.25mm pads on the chips, i fall below the 0.254mm price category anywayz, so i guess i should just use thinner tracks
2018-12-04T12:02:15 < PeterM> you specify your stack up, have signal layers thinner copper for thnner signal traces and easier routing, thicker copper on power layers for more current
2018-12-04T12:02:21 < Haohmaru> then my track to track clearance will be not 0.25 but 0.242 i think
2018-12-04T12:02:58 < Haohmaru> i think it's the same
2018-12-04T12:03:02 < Haohmaru> lemme re-check
2018-12-04T12:04:57 < Haohmaru> akchually, i think the track width maybe doesn't affect the pricing, the clearance does tho
2018-12-04T12:05:32 < zyp> PeterM, power planes don't need thick copper, they have plenty of current capacity since it's a plane anyway
2018-12-04T12:05:57 < Haohmaru> https://hardtech.bg/PcbCalculator
2018-12-04T12:06:15 < Haohmaru> "min space"
2018-12-04T12:06:48 < PeterM> zyp i said layers  not planes, ie, you have routed power "signals" not just a supply rail or two
2018-12-04T12:08:07 < zyp> outer layers usually have thicker copper than inner, so just route your power there
2018-12-04T12:09:04 < PeterM> they also have better heat dissipation, so yes, you do usually route power there
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2018-12-04T12:19:22 < PeterM> http://forum.kingpincooling.com/showthread.php?t=1095 check out the layer stack up on this graphics card (a few photos down)
2018-12-04T12:28:36 < zyp> hmm
2018-12-04T12:28:48 < zyp> five is a strange number, for each of the signal stacks
2018-12-04T12:29:26 < zyp> seems like too many for only one of them to be a reference ground, kinda wasteful for two of them to be
2018-12-04T12:30:27 < zyp> unless those stacks has one reference ground surrounded by two high speed layers and the other two are used for other low speed/power stuff
2018-12-04T12:32:07 < PeterM> im pretty sure its power stuff, iirc that gpu pulls soomething like 110a at like 1.25v
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2018-12-04T12:53:58 < karlp> (you can also, if you don't ever want to debug or probe your signals, put ground layers on the outer layers and signals on the inside.  this gives you more EM immunity, which.... can matter, but not at all always)
2018-12-04T12:54:40 < karlp> (can be cheaper than a metal enclosure for instance...)
2018-12-04T12:55:29 < sync> karlp: I thought that was a myth
2018-12-04T12:55:36 < karlp> got one right here....
2018-12-04T12:55:43 < karlp> went from failing emc to passing emc.... :)
2018-12-04T12:56:06 < karlp> it's a long thing analog sensor, so it was pretty much wearing a "hit me" sticker for radiated emissions
2018-12-04T12:56:37 < karlp> shit _worked_ before, just accuracy of sensing went down quite a lot until layers were flipped inside out.
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2018-12-04T13:01:54 < qyx> long thing analol probe?
2018-12-04T13:02:40 < karlp> as in, a string of analog sensor traces out 15-20cm on a stick,
2018-12-04T13:03:32 < karlp> I mean, real world woudl probably never matter, unless you were living beside a big fm radio transmitter, but tests must be passed right...
2018-12-04T13:03:43 < zyp> I've designed a board like that too
2018-12-04T13:05:00 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/cN8Zp.jpg <- this thing got ground on outer layers and signals on inner
2018-12-04T13:05:53 < qyx> is it a btle imu?
2018-12-04T13:06:04 < jpa-> karlp: radiated emissions? or you mean immunity?
2018-12-04T13:06:15 < karlp> immunity from radiated, not imunity from conducted yes.
2018-12-04T13:06:19 < jpa-> ah, yeah
2018-12-04T13:06:25 < karlp> I hate the wordings of these tests, but yeah, could have been clearer
2018-12-04T13:06:27 < zyp> qyx, almost, but it's older than btle
2018-12-04T13:06:41 < karlp> what's on the back of that zyp? 
2018-12-04T13:06:48 < karlp> a tiny lipo pouch?
2018-12-04T13:06:52 < zyp> yeah
2018-12-04T13:08:31 < jpa-> it's a self-destruct backpack, in case someone tries to peek the secrets hidden between those groundplanes
2018-12-04T13:12:52  * karlp laughs
2018-12-04T13:14:26 < sync> ah yes karlp for immunity that makes sense
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2018-12-04T13:56:41 < karlp> those hardtech.bg guys aren't real cheap.
2018-12-04T14:05:32 < Thorn> I love this "size: 100"
2018-12-04T14:05:38 < Thorn> mm, inches, parsecs?
2018-12-04T14:05:39 < karlp> what on earth are those kingpincooling people doing?
2018-12-04T14:06:03 < karlp> using the voltage regulators from one board to provide extra/better/more power to a different graphics card?
2018-12-04T14:06:08 < karlp> what the fuck for?
2018-12-04T14:06:14 < karlp> seems an awful lot of work
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2018-12-04T14:09:43 < dongs> what density is F103RC
2018-12-04T14:10:18 < dongs> sounds like high density from datasheet?
2018-12-04T14:10:25 < dongs> where the fuck is the list of what md/hd/xl shits are
2018-12-04T14:11:34 < Hamilton> dongs, I guess it the beginning section of datasheet
2018-12-04T14:12:02 < Hamilton> in each chapter
2018-12-04T14:12:17 < dongs> This datasheet provides the ordering information and mechanical device characteristics of
2018-12-04T14:12:20 < dongs> the STM32F103xC, STM32F103xD and STM32F103xE high-density performance line
2018-12-04T14:12:22 < dongs> microcontrollers
2018-12-04T14:13:00 < Haohmaru> high thiccness microcontrollers
2018-12-04T14:21:01 < drzacek> Hello there
2018-12-04T14:21:22 < drzacek> call me stupid if you want, but how tf do you use HAL_UART_XX functions properly?
2018-12-04T14:21:49 < dongs> step1: don't use hal
2018-12-04T14:21:54 < drzacek> I understand there are standard _RECEIVE and _TRANSMIT functions, which do exactly how I expect them - they send/receive when they are called
2018-12-04T14:22:01 < drzacek> dongs, 2late
2018-12-04T14:22:27 < drzacek> then there are _IT functions, which should be using interrupts, but that's when the confusion comes in
2018-12-04T14:22:56 < drzacek> what exactly do those functions do and when/how do you use them?
2018-12-04T14:22:59 < PeterM> karlp because they need the power, and you cant jsut buy those parts from digikey
2018-12-04T14:23:21 < dongs> drzacek: look at examples. there's a weak function that you override with your it completion handler.
2018-12-04T14:23:37 < drzacek> I would expect you need to tell (somewhere in the beginning) the irq-handler "hey dude, if you receive something on uart, tell me about it" and then I get the callback function
2018-12-04T14:24:04 < drzacek> and each time I get something over uart, that callback function is called, I can then copy the data etc
2018-12-04T14:24:29 < drzacek> All youtube/forums examples - people keep using RECEIVE_IT() function just like normal RECEIVE and it makes no sense
2018-12-04T14:24:54 < PeterM> karlp also its a board thats already optimally laid out etc 
2018-12-04T14:25:10 < drzacek> doesn't seem so random 
2018-12-04T14:25:49 < karlp> PeterM: so what are they doing, overclocking their other boards? and need more power for them?
2018-12-04T14:25:52 < Haohmaru> Cracki ur randomizer is broken
2018-12-04T14:26:02 < PeterM> yep
2018-12-04T14:26:27 < karlp> I love that they exist, but wow, what a lot of work :)
2018-12-04T14:27:45 < PeterM> the guy who wrote that post actually works for EVGA (graphics card board manufactuerer) as an EE
2018-12-04T14:28:02 < Laurenceb> STM32WB looks interesting
2018-12-04T14:28:14 < karlp> lolrence join us on the presentation tomorrow!
2018-12-04T14:28:29 < Laurenceb> ikr
2018-12-04T14:28:36 < Laurenceb> just got that email
2018-12-04T14:28:39 < karlp> PeterM: so, are you a regular gamer modding your gpus?
2018-12-04T14:28:47 < karlp> or how did you find that example so easily?
2018-12-04T14:28:51 < Laurenceb> wonder if it will last longer than their previous rf stm32
2018-12-04T14:29:16 < Laurenceb> > explains interrupt vs polling functions 
2018-12-04T14:29:31 < Laurenceb> welcome to first microcontroller class
2018-12-04T14:30:50 < PeterM> i know the guy who wrote it
2018-12-04T14:31:26 < karlp> the EE ddue topic writer?
2018-12-04T14:31:48 < PeterM> well, am familiar with him, hes a bit of a voltnut
2018-12-04T14:31:53 < Laurenceb> >dude, you're smarter than this
2018-12-04T14:32:01 < PeterM> yeah
2018-12-04T14:32:03 < Laurenceb> no I'm not I'm full retard
2018-12-04T14:32:06 < dongs> PeterM: what the HELL is that forum post doing
2018-12-04T14:32:16 < dongs> is tehre a tldr, the further down i scroll the crazier it gets
2018-12-04T14:32:22 < karlp> ikr?!
2018-12-04T14:32:30 < Haohmaru> karlp we use em coz they're local.. yes not cheap, but so far the PCBs are "okay" (disclaimer: i'm not picky like senpai)
2018-12-04T14:32:51 < Laurenceb> dongs: do they promote emdrive, zano, or timecube?
2018-12-04T14:33:44 < PeterM> cutting off the very high current, very low ripple, amazing transient response PSU from one graphics card and preparing to graft it onto another
2018-12-04T14:34:12 < Laurenceb> I found timecube guys daughter on youtube
2018-12-04T14:34:48 < Laurenceb> >the quantum quasi-crystal
2018-12-04T14:34:51 < karlp> what is the advantage that "local" is getting you?
2018-12-04T14:34:56 < karlp> nationalism aside?
2018-12-04T14:35:07 < Haohmaru> no idea
2018-12-04T14:35:21 < Haohmaru> might have something to do with the payment options
2018-12-04T14:35:27 < karlp> aisler.net is euro if you want faster turn arounds than chinafabs, and still much cheaper than those bulgars
2018-12-04T14:35:43 < Laurenceb> for work stuff I have to use EU
2018-12-04T14:35:51 < Laurenceb> dunno what happens after brexit lol
2018-12-04T14:35:56 < dongs> man wtf
2018-12-04T14:36:05 < karlp> what possible rule would say that lolrence? that's gotta be policy not regulation
2018-12-04T14:36:06 < dongs> http://xdevs.com/kpc/zombie/2900xt/modbac2.jpg
2018-12-04T14:36:06 < dongs> lol
2018-12-04T14:36:21 < jadew> wth is that?
2018-12-04T14:36:27 < Haohmaru> Cracki after you fill the data in the calculator, a calendar thing opens up in the page, and you can select on which date you want them finished, there is price on each date
2018-12-04T14:36:30 < dongs> that forum PeterM linked
2018-12-04T14:36:36 < dongs> http://forum.kingpincooling.com/showthread.php?t=1095
2018-12-04T14:36:39 < karlp> dongs: didn't you love them cutting out their own little ground plane to manhattan style in their ldo?
2018-12-04T14:36:44 < Laurenceb> karlp: cuz EU fund my babbyshake
2018-12-04T14:36:45 < dongs> yeah
2018-12-04T14:36:48 < Laurenceb> ur taxes at work
2018-12-04T14:37:05 < Haohmaru> Cracki depends.. just fill in some data if you're curious
2018-12-04T14:38:19 < PeterM> EVGA now sell a product that performs a similar function https://www.evga.com/articles/01140/evga-epower-v/ 
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2018-12-04T14:38:50 < PeterM> a lot of wank on that page but this is the spec sheet https://www.evga.com/products/pdf/100-UV-0600.pdf
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2018-12-04T14:39:14 < PeterM> up to 620A at 1.85v
2018-12-04T14:40:02 < dongs> what do you do with that? saw off half of newest gayvidia card and just patch in some fat cables for vcore/vmem?
2018-12-04T14:41:11 < PeterM> dont even saw it off, just solder over some fat copper
2018-12-04T14:41:48 < PeterM> and get some liquid nitrogen, keep everything chill and turn up the clock speed
2018-12-04T14:42:38 < Laurenceb> kek wut
2018-12-04T14:44:17 < Laurenceb> heh I just got my audiophool isolator
2018-12-04T14:44:19 < jadew> what is the point of all that?
2018-12-04T14:44:29 < Laurenceb> ukp400
2018-12-04T14:44:45 < PeterM> an expensive hobby
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2018-12-04T14:44:59 < Haohmaru> pimp my gpu?
2018-12-04T14:45:03 < jadew> I'm not sure what the final product is tho
2018-12-04T14:45:17 < Laurenceb> im using the isolator for babbyshake
2018-12-04T14:45:38 < Haohmaru> i'm calling teh cops
2018-12-04T14:45:58 < PeterM> you have the "fastest graphics card in the world", the same reason people drag rave
2018-12-04T14:46:01 < PeterM> *race
2018-12-04T14:46:24 < PeterM> my numbers are bigger than yours!
2018-12-04T14:46:41 < jadew> so what do they do with that, they feed more power to other cards?
2018-12-04T14:46:48 < jadew> so they can overclock them better?
2018-12-04T14:46:48 < PeterM> yeah
2018-12-04T14:46:51 < PeterM> yep
2018-12-04T14:46:58 < jadew> that's a lot of trouble just for that...
2018-12-04T14:47:04 < jadew> they could just design a new board
2018-12-04T14:47:07 < Haohmaru> that could be useful as a heater, for teh winter
2018-12-04T14:47:29 < PeterM> jadew you can't really BUY those parts used on that board
2018-12-04T14:47:36 < Laurenceb> you could use it for muh ai
2018-12-04T14:48:36 < PeterM> and also you're sorta underestimating the effort in designing a board like that
2018-12-04T14:49:15 < jadew> aren't they only salvaging the power supply module?
2018-12-04T14:49:21 < PeterM> yes
2018-12-04T14:49:34 < jadew> I'm sure that board doesn't have that many layers because of that
2018-12-04T14:49:44 < jadew> that part can probably be built on 2 layers no problem
2018-12-04T14:50:08 < PeterM> i can garantee that cannot be built on 2 layers
2018-12-04T14:50:28 < jadew> I mean... it's a power supply, you don't even have to design it, the IC manufacturer will give you a tool to plug in your values and it will spit out a design that works
2018-12-04T14:50:35 < Laurenceb> yeah moar liek 12
2018-12-04T14:50:53 < PeterM> no, the IC manufactuerer will tell you to fuck off
2018-12-04T14:51:05 < PeterM> you can't BUY the parts
2018-12-04T14:51:11 < qyx> how many 620A ~2V power supplies have you seen?
2018-12-04T14:51:34 < jadew> ah, missed that part
2018-12-04T14:51:35 < Haohmaru> does 620mA count?
2018-12-04T14:52:03 < PeterM> qyx a handful at most
2018-12-04T14:52:22 < Haohmaru> qyx doesn't that kill if ya touch it?
2018-12-04T14:52:30 < jadew> is that really how much a graphics card needs?
2018-12-04T14:53:00 < dongs> if you overcock it, yes
2018-12-04T14:53:08 < jadew> how the hell do you cool it?
2018-12-04T14:53:10 < PeterM> nah, the most power hungry off the shelf ones onyl pull 140A @ 1.2V, but if oyu overclock it, sure
2018-12-04T14:53:10 < dongs> get 3 more fps in LOL or overwatch
2018-12-04T14:53:16 < PeterM> liquid nitorgen
2018-12-04T14:53:17 < jadew> you can heat a room with that much power
2018-12-04T14:53:42 < Haohmaru> u mean a sauna
2018-12-04T14:53:54 < PeterM> these arent your normal "twiddle some knobs and overclock" kids
2018-12-04T14:55:18 < dongs> PeterM is actaully world #1 overclocker using the fact that australia is upside down to break all sorts of cooling records
2018-12-04T14:55:45 < Haohmaru> huehue
2018-12-04T14:56:38 < Haohmaru> i disabled this Radeon here to switch to a built-in intel video card, to make kicad refresh faster
2018-12-04T14:56:52 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2018-12-04T14:56:56 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-12-04T14:56:59 < Haohmaru> nah, it's fine
2018-12-04T14:58:05 < Laurenceb> kikad is almost usable now
2018-12-04T14:58:19 < Laurenceb> probably moar usable than eagle
2018-12-04T14:58:32 < Haohmaru> eegul
2018-12-04T14:59:58 < Haohmaru> kicad 5.1 should supposedly fix this issue with the redrawing slowness
2018-12-04T15:00:52 < jadew> Haohmaru, I'm using version 6...
2018-12-04T15:01:05 < Haohmaru> coz ur a cheatz0r
2018-12-04T15:01:28 < dongs> > implying lunix has proper support for dgpu
2018-12-04T15:01:32 < jadew> Haohmaru, there's no point in staying with the stable version
2018-12-04T15:02:03 < karlp> (discrete doesn't have ot be better, you can easily put in an old shitty one in a new mobo)
2018-12-04T15:02:11 < Haohmaru> the issue is only with eeschema, since it still uses the ancient XOR drawing code
2018-12-04T15:02:47 < Haohmaru> karlp well, the opengl of the Radeon is certainly bett0r
2018-12-04T15:02:58 < Haohmaru> but eeschema doesn't care
2018-12-04T15:06:30 < jadew> so how does switching boards help?
2018-12-04T15:06:44 < jadew> the xor shit is usually done by the CPU, no?
2018-12-04T15:07:08 < jadew> does the OS take advantage of some feature in the card?
2018-12-04T15:07:19 < dongs> > os
2018-12-04T15:07:26 < dongs> > take advantage of hardware
2018-12-04T15:07:28 < dongs> > lunix
2018-12-04T15:07:30 < dongs> ha hahah
2018-12-04T15:07:33 < dongs> nice joke judew
2018-12-04T15:14:23 < Laurenceb> kek https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-46432710
2018-12-04T15:15:51 < Laurenceb> I'm in jail
2018-12-04T15:16:50 < Laurenceb> lel https://news.sky.com/story/phrases-like-bringing-home-the-bacon-will-go-out-of-fashion-as-veganism-grows-says-academic-11570782
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2018-12-04T15:20:53 < dongs> ^ ran out of liquid nitrogen
2018-12-04T15:20:54 < jadew> https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-46397317
2018-12-04T15:21:09 < jadew> looks like modern medicine can even revert shotgun to the face
2018-12-04T15:21:14 < Laurenceb> typical murican
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2018-12-04T15:27:31 < jpa-> jadew: for stuff done by cpu, memory access to gpu ram might be slower for discrete cards than builtin intel
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2018-12-04T15:31:15 < Laurenceb> https://www.swansea.ac.uk/artsandhumanities/artsandhumanitiesadmissions/postgraduate-research/postgraduate-research-profiles/shareenahamzahz-fetishismfluidityjeanettewintersonsnarrativesofdiversepleasuredesire/
2018-12-04T15:31:16 < jadew> jpa-, that's true
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2018-12-04T15:31:57 < jadew> although, if it's an integrated card, it would have to share the RAM with the CPU
2018-12-04T15:32:01 < jadew> and that's the bottleneck
2018-12-04T15:32:26 < jpa-> also something would have to be very wrong for it to be disturbingly slower on modern hardware
2018-12-04T15:32:27 < jadew> I would guess that an external card has faster access to its RAM, simply because it's the only one using it
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2018-12-04T15:34:03 < jadew> I agree, there's something else going on
2018-12-04T15:34:55 < emeryth> I think kicad has a problem specifically with old radeon cards when in software mode
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2018-12-04T15:36:07 < jadew> Cracki, well, the idea was that if it's done by the CPU, it would have to fetch the data first, do the XOR and then put it back
2018-12-04T15:36:20 < jadew> so it would have been the same operation regardless of where the memory was
2018-12-04T15:38:45 < karlp> I'd say for it to be usr noticeable, it's probably more like "doing things very dumb ways, times 5000" rather than "5 copies instead of 1" 
2018-12-04T15:39:14 < jadew> yeah
2018-12-04T15:39:26 < emeryth> Haohmaru: did you try this? https://www.tuxstef.org/2016/11/19/kicad-schematic-editor-slow/
2018-12-04T15:39:58 < jadew> emeryth, but I heard xorg.conf is not necessary anymore
2018-12-04T15:40:46 < emeryth> not necessary for what?
2018-12-04T15:41:35 < jadew> that's what I'm being told when I try to work around linux crap and ask for help
2018-12-04T15:42:07 < jadew> "multi-monitor should work out of the box" "you don't need to touch xorg.conf anymore"
2018-12-04T15:42:10 < jadew> no shit...
2018-12-04T15:43:34 < jadew> it's true to an extent tho
2018-12-04T15:44:12 < englishman> lol that peterm link
2018-12-04T15:44:27 < emeryth> you see, they got rid of xorg.conf so technically you're not touching it
2018-12-04T15:44:44 < jadew> heh
2018-12-04T15:45:38 < englishman> holy shit a $250 power supply for your video card
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2018-12-04T16:09:37 < Haohmaru> emeryth kewl, i'll try that
2018-12-04T16:09:59 < Haohmaru> jadew i'm not using multiple monitors here
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2018-12-04T16:18:41 < Haohmaru> emeryth wowz, muchos thanks
2018-12-04T16:18:46 < Haohmaru> it workz \o/
2018-12-04T16:23:38 < dongs> anyone know arduino
2018-12-04T16:27:39 < qyx> anyone tried -fPIC on stm32?
2018-12-04T16:27:57 < dongs> i've tried -ropi on arm8
2018-12-04T16:27:59 < dongs> er arm9
2018-12-04T16:30:18 < qyx> meh, cannot get it to work and I am superlazy to debug
2018-12-04T16:30:27 < qyx> I am assuming it works
2018-12-04T16:31:15 < dongs> are you autisming some STM32-based game console?
2018-12-04T16:31:24 < jpa-> most cortex-m code generated by gcc is position independent anyway
2018-12-04T16:31:26 < dongs> that loads carts from flash
2018-12-04T16:31:57 < jpa-> only when it gets larger than the branch distance you'll start getting a lot of absolute references :P
2018-12-04T16:33:25 < qyx> no I am just trying to persuade my bootloader to place the code anywhere at their wish
2018-12-04T16:33:28 < qyx> and run it
2018-12-04T16:33:49 < qyx> ie. to not make it like 0x08000000 + 0x1000
2018-12-04T16:34:10 < dongs> DDRD register on retarduino
2018-12-04T16:34:20 < dongs> is that just 1 = input 0 = output?
2018-12-04T16:34:48 < dongs> and D is for PortD or wahtever right
2018-12-04T16:35:26 < englishman> Data DiRection portD
2018-12-04T16:37:04 < emeb> jpa-: I finally figured out what was going on with that crashy F7.
2018-12-04T16:37:30 < dongs> emeb: do you have any 0day yamaha contacts who can hook me up with proper register docs for YMU765
2018-12-04T16:37:41 < dongs> (its a decade-old fm synth chip
2018-12-04T16:37:54 < dongs> Cracki: this shit is all using raw stuff
2018-12-04T16:37:56 < emeb> dongs: nope - don't know anyone there
2018-12-04T16:38:08 < dongs> and apparently retarduino renamed all portA/B/C shit into different retarded stuff
2018-12-04T16:38:26 < emeb> the nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from
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2018-12-04T16:41:37 < bitmask> hah damn, I just realized I have shitty JST-XH connectors that use 2.54mm pitch.  Doubt it would cause a problem but at least I can fix it before gettin my boards made
2018-12-04T16:43:45 < bitmask> china clone
2018-12-04T16:44:08 < bitmask> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/JST-XH-2-54mm-Wire-Male-Female-Dupont-Connectors-Set-150Pcs-White-Cable-Jumper-Pin-Header/32842847609.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4dn5x87I
2018-12-04T16:44:17 < bitmask> these are the right hand but I have straight as well
2018-12-04T16:45:12 < bitmask> I'll check now
2018-12-04T16:45:26 < englishman> seriously?
2018-12-04T16:45:28 < englishman> just click
2018-12-04T16:45:28 < englishman> http://www.jst-mfg.com/product/search_e.php?type=1&id=1&page=4
2018-12-04T16:45:29 < englishman> and look
2018-12-04T16:45:31 < englishman> and read
2018-12-04T16:45:33 < englishman> use eyes and brain
2018-12-04T16:45:35 < englishman> hard, i know
2018-12-04T16:45:40 < bitmask> what are you talking about
2018-12-04T16:45:51 < bitmask> maybe you should learn to read
2018-12-04T16:45:56 < englishman> wat
2018-12-04T16:46:03 < englishman> your the one in here asking what numbers are
2018-12-04T16:46:10 < bitmask> you are an idiot
2018-12-04T16:46:15 < englishman> wat
2018-12-04T16:46:20 < englishman> why are you asking dumb questions
2018-12-04T16:46:26 < englishman> then complaining when you get an answer
2018-12-04T16:46:31 < bitmask> I didnt even ask a question 
2018-12-04T16:46:34 < bitmask> retard
2018-12-04T16:46:43 < englishman> good luck with your board
2018-12-04T16:46:48 < qyx> better than dongs raging
2018-12-04T16:47:01 < bitmask> haha what a buffoon
2018-12-04T16:47:22 < dongs> lewl
2018-12-04T16:47:28 < englishman> blind leading the blind
2018-12-04T16:47:38 < bitmask> are you drunk?
2018-12-04T16:47:43 < dongs> my TIM1 isnt outputting stuff
2018-12-04T16:47:45 < dongs> fuckin hell
2018-12-04T16:47:52 < dongs> oh
2018-12-04T16:47:55 < dongs> cuz i never call that function
2018-12-04T16:48:01 < qyx> so back to the question
2018-12-04T16:48:09 < qyx> bitmask: your xh is 2.54 and should be 2.50?
2018-12-04T16:48:17 < dongs> no im porting this from avr
2018-12-04T16:48:21 < dongs> so i jsut need to read what it does
2018-12-04T16:48:32 < bitmask> thats what its listed as, Ive read other places that some china clones use 2.54 as well
2018-12-04T16:48:37 < bitmask> im about to measure it
2018-12-04T16:48:54 < dongs> and its outputting
2018-12-04T16:49:26 < dongs> wrongly tho
2018-12-04T16:49:36 < englishman> oh is Cracki chatting
2018-12-04T16:49:44 < englishman> no wonder there is wrong info flying around
2018-12-04T16:51:04 < dongs> oh ffs
2018-12-04T16:51:07 < dongs> itsrunning at 8mhz
2018-12-04T16:51:08 < dongs> hmm
2018-12-04T16:51:59 < dongs> yeah its 4mhz
2018-12-04T16:52:03 < dongs> instead of... 72/2
2018-12-04T16:52:44 < dongs> gah all my F1 code is ancient and all copypasted
2018-12-04T16:52:48 < Haohmaru> slow yer horses!
2018-12-04T16:53:28 < emeb> F1 - old n busted
2018-12-04T16:53:35 < englishman> is this your tism with all those jumper wires
2018-12-04T16:54:05 < qyx> ok, relocatable code is not that easy as I though
2018-12-04T16:56:13 < Ecco> recommended chinese fab house for quick protos?
2018-12-04T16:56:26 < qyx> chinese != uick
2018-12-04T16:56:32 < englishman> so many
2018-12-04T16:56:37 < bitmask> I'm trying jlcpcb for my first
2018-12-04T16:56:51 < Ecco> pcbways quotes PCBs at $1 each!
2018-12-04T16:56:54 < englishman> allpcb.com
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2018-12-04T16:56:57 < Ecco> (10cmx7cm)
2018-12-04T16:57:05 < englishman> jlcpcb.com
2018-12-04T16:57:15 < bitmask> jlcpcb is $2 for 10x10 for the first board (10 copies)
2018-12-04T16:57:17 < englishman> pretty much all the same
2018-12-04T16:57:31 < Ecco> That's cheap
2018-12-04T16:57:34 < Ecco> well allpcb === pcbway
2018-12-04T16:57:40 < Ecco> their picker is exactly the same one :)
2018-12-04T16:57:43 < bitmask> not sure why they offer 5 boards when 10 is the same price
2018-12-04T16:57:46 < qyx> they all have the same ui
2018-12-04T16:57:57 < Ecco> oh, ok
2018-12-04T16:58:32 < englishman> if you're in usa oshpark is ok, if you're outside they can be slow
2018-12-04T16:59:25 < Ecco> Last time I tried oshpark I had 2 defective boards out of 5
2018-12-04T16:59:45 < Ecco> (a shorted trace… with a 20mil spacing to the polygon fill)
2018-12-04T16:59:46 < Ecco> never again
2018-12-04T17:00:43 < englishman> nice
2018-12-04T17:00:52 < dongs> oshfuck is useless
2018-12-04T17:02:32 < Ecco> Cracki: nope. Just ordered somewhere else.
2018-12-04T17:02:41 < Ecco> 1oz vs 2oz vs more
2018-12-04T17:02:45 < Ecco> what's the deal?
2018-12-04T17:03:06 < dongs> wtf HSE isnt starting up on this dumb port103 board
2018-12-04T17:03:12 < dongs> the hell is this shit
2018-12-04T17:03:22 < Ecco> When would a thicker layer of copper be useful?
2018-12-04T17:03:29 < Ecco> oh
2018-12-04T17:03:52 < Ecco> well I used large traces for pins which draw some current
2018-12-04T17:06:29 < englishman> absolutely useful for planes
2018-12-04T17:06:37 < englishman> there was a pro board posted earlier today with thick planes
2018-12-04T17:06:44 < bitmask> hmm allpcb is expensive
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2018-12-04T17:14:04 < dongs> oh what the fuck
2018-12-04T17:14:07 < dongs> PD0 is OSC_IN
2018-12-04T17:14:10 < dongs> and ih ave shit connected to it
2018-12-04T17:14:12 < dongs> that would explain things
2018-12-04T17:15:24 < dongs> cuz i neeed exti0
2018-12-04T17:15:28 < dongs> needed rather
2018-12-04T17:15:30 < dongs> its ok i moved it tp b0
2018-12-04T17:15:32 < dongs> pb0
2018-12-04T17:15:49 < dongs> no its breakout
2018-12-04T17:20:08  * emeb admits to doing a project with a blue pill board.
2018-12-04T17:20:33 < emeb> but at least I didn't use the ard ide
2018-12-04T17:22:15 < emeb> blue pills are pretty awful in that regard
2018-12-04T17:22:50 < emeb> right.
2018-12-04T17:23:04 < emeb> that's actually not so bad
2018-12-04T17:23:34 < emeb> I've seen some where you get +/-10
2018-12-04T17:24:10 < emeb> Anything F4 needs serious integration, regardless of layout
2018-12-04T17:24:42 < emeb> all that on-chip noise from the flash cache apparently
2018-12-04T17:24:47 < kakimir> is there a way to fill ram with pattern in ide?
2018-12-04T17:25:26 < kakimir> atmel studio
2018-12-04T17:26:13 < kakimir> avr
2018-12-04T17:26:20 < kakimir> I can change individual addresses
2018-12-04T17:26:25 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CYPSB_1543761936
2018-12-04T17:26:26 < Laurenceb> keek
2018-12-04T17:29:39 < mawk> I'm still alive Cracki 
2018-12-04T17:29:52 < mawk> I look like a leftist with my long hair so they let me pass
2018-12-04T17:30:04 < mawk> if only they knew who I voted for
2018-12-04T17:30:05 < Laurenceb> the leftists
2018-12-04T17:30:17 < Laurenceb> >implying politics is a 1d spectrum
2018-12-04T17:30:23 < mawk> I think the snipers are for potentiel terror attacks
2018-12-04T17:30:26 < mawk> not for the protesters
2018-12-04T17:30:53 < mawk> a 1D spectrum is enough to pack anything Laurenceb 
2018-12-04T17:30:59 < mawk> you can embed 2D shapes on a 1D line
2018-12-04T17:31:03 < mawk> there are theorems about that
2018-12-04T17:31:09 < mawk> so politics is a 1D spectrum, QED
2018-12-04T17:31:45 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/ff8a7b5dc7/171084.jpg
2018-12-04T17:31:52 < mawk> what's that theory Cracki 
2018-12-04T17:32:24 < Laurenceb> https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/285/505/3c9.jpg
2018-12-04T17:32:51 < mawk> people like this theory here
2018-12-04T17:32:57 < mawk> but the extremists don't
2018-12-04T17:33:03 < Laurenceb> >monarchist re-eductation gulag
2018-12-04T17:33:58 < mawk> lol
2018-12-04T17:34:09 < mawk> german far-right is doomed for 200 years
2018-12-04T17:34:15 < mawk> but we get echoes of that in France too
2018-12-04T17:34:36 < mawk> people on television start talking about the sound of marching boots whenever someone far-right says something
2018-12-04T17:36:44 < qyx> my RTC is off by 65min during the last 77 days
2018-12-04T17:37:21 < emeb> That's about 10ppm
2018-12-04T17:37:28 < qyx> more like 580ppm
2018-12-04T17:37:35 < emeb> ah right
2018-12-04T17:37:39 < qyx> actually no, we went from DST to non-DST
2018-12-04T17:37:42 < qyx> so it is off by 5min only
2018-12-04T17:37:46 < emeb> lol
2018-12-04T17:37:46 < Laurenceb> u failed
2018-12-04T17:38:03 < Laurenceb> I managed to get <1ppm on 10ppm xtals in office environment
2018-12-04T17:38:04 < qyx> thats 45ppm
2018-12-04T17:38:05 < qyx> still much
2018-12-04T17:38:13 < Laurenceb> after calibrating each one over 3 months
2018-12-04T17:38:56 < qyx> idk if wrong caps are able to make such big error
2018-12-04T17:39:02 < emeb> could be
2018-12-04T17:39:21 < emeb> what's the xtal rated for and what did you use?
2018-12-04T17:40:19 < qyx> it is a prototype populated with the first xtal I could find
2018-12-04T17:40:26 < qyx> so the answer is idk
2018-12-04T17:40:49 < qyx> there are 18p caps, probably too much
2018-12-04T17:40:52 < emeb> most 32k xtals I've seen have pretty low load caps
2018-12-04T17:40:57 < emeb> more like 4pf
2018-12-04T17:41:02 < qyx> O_o
2018-12-04T17:41:50 < emeb> and when you factor in trace & pin parasitics + the fact that you need 1/2 the cap per leg...
2018-12-04T17:42:18 < emeb> you generally end up needing pretty small caps
2018-12-04T17:42:24 < Laurenceb> just air con office
2018-12-04T17:42:30 < Laurenceb> then NP0 caps
2018-12-04T17:44:22 < englishman> if its a 50ppm xtal then you should be v pleased
2018-12-04T17:47:13 < Laurenceb> you can trim with 1ppm steps on F1 RTC
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2018-12-04T17:56:41 < qyx> I'll trim it with 50ppm step
2018-12-04T17:58:46 < karlp> emeb: I thought I'd heeard (here) that current f4 silicon revs had "fixed" / improved the adc noise?
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2018-12-04T18:17:10 < Laurenceb> karlp: old news
2018-12-04T18:17:15 < Laurenceb> they did that ages ago
2018-12-04T18:17:26 < Laurenceb> tfw https://postimg.cc/mcvWLzVN
2018-12-04T18:17:50 < dongs> i dont get it
2018-12-04T18:18:05 < Laurenceb> dongs: livestreaming riot
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2018-12-04T18:35:34 < mawk> they should feed force her frozen fries
2018-12-04T18:35:46 < mawk> so that her smile disappears
2018-12-04T18:36:18 < mawk> I say frozen fries because at the last paris riot from a few months ago protesters were stealing frozen fries from macdonalds
2018-12-04T18:36:32 < mawk> among other things
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2018-12-04T18:41:07 < mawk> lol
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2018-12-04T18:46:57 < Streaker> Iraq?
2018-12-04T18:47:11 < karlp> top movie.
2018-12-04T18:47:25 < karlp> emeb: soo, have you tried recent f4s? or is lolrence full of shit?
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2018-12-04T18:53:15 < Laurenceb> never
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2018-12-04T20:16:24 < jpa-> emeb: so, what was it?
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2018-12-04T20:47:17 < kakimir> https://pr0gramm.com/top/2868993
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2018-12-04T20:59:56 < Steffanx> images of twitter. love em.
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2018-12-04T21:00:06 < Steffanx> try this kakimir  https://twitter.com/HansReloaded/status/1069525623985618944
2018-12-04T21:01:18 < antto> hm, so it seems like that redrawing slowness is a problem of radeon/xorg not kicad specifically
2018-12-04T21:01:48 < Steffanx> lunix
2018-12-04T21:02:42 < antto> pls
2018-12-04T21:03:45 < antto> i can smell the NSA and trump's butt thru yer windewz10
2018-12-04T21:04:00  * antto hides
2018-12-04T21:04:37 < antto> dafuq is that even
2018-12-04T21:09:29 < marble_visions> jesus christ the new stmcube is ugly
2018-12-04T21:12:48 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1070029895311548417
2018-12-04T21:13:06 < Laurenceb> ragequit stmcube liek farRAGE
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2018-12-04T21:26:46 < Laurenceb> THE EU IS RACIST. NOT ENOUGH INDIANS
2018-12-04T21:26:57 < Laurenceb> tfw FarRAGE
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2018-12-04T21:36:25 < emeb> jpa-: Ultimately it was caused by not having the power settings correct for the clock rate I was running.
2018-12-04T21:36:53 < marble_visions> haha, farRAGE 
2018-12-04T21:36:57 < emeb> jpa-: but I was fooled because the code to set the power up was in there, and it was executing.
2018-12-04T21:37:32 < emeb> jpa-: But - because I have a bootloader that runs prior to the main app, the PLL was already running when I attempted to set the power up.
2018-12-04T21:38:24 < emeb> jpa-: and you can't change power settings while the PLL is running. So I had to switch back to HSE, turn off the PLL, set the power and then turn the PLL back on the way I wanted.
2018-12-04T21:38:51 < emeb> jpa-: once I did that everything started working happily.
2018-12-04T21:38:53 < kakimir> https://pr0gramm.com/top/2867348
2018-12-04T21:38:56 < kakimir> take this jam
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2018-12-04T21:40:01 < kakimir> Laurenceb: FarRAGE two-faced after all Laurencer?
2018-12-04T21:41:17 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOBIWvWp1NA here full jam
2018-12-04T21:42:24 < Steffanx> Did you eat catphish, crt?
2018-12-04T21:43:30 < Steffanx> Explains it
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2018-12-04T21:44:36 < Laurenceb> https://postimg.cc/3W0RX870
2018-12-04T21:46:57 < Laurenceb> ftw https://postimg.cc/xqGrDh3F
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2018-12-04T21:58:55 < Laurenceb> where I imagine dongs hanging out irl https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/OZORA_Festival.jpg/1280px-OZORA_Festival.jpg
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2018-12-04T22:02:02 < jpa-> emeb: heh :
2018-12-04T22:02:04 < jpa-> )
2018-12-04T22:11:33 < Laurenceb> crt: https://postimg.cc/Xr6kSN4T
2018-12-04T22:13:18 < bitmask> iz confuzed.  If you have a 3.3V cob led and wire 3 in series with a 12v source.  if you pwm the output to be the analog equivalent of 10V is that fine to do? You are still overspec'ing it arent you?
2018-12-04T22:15:08 < bitmask> if thats not ok to do, whats a good constant current IC
2018-12-04T22:15:40 < Laurenceb> >being this new
2018-12-04T22:16:07 < Laurenceb> yes
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2018-12-04T23:37:36 < aandrew> heh
2018-12-04T23:37:40 < aandrew> I ordered some pogo pins from ali
2018-12-04T23:37:44 < aandrew> today I received one of the packages
2018-12-04T23:38:16 < aandrew> it's an M2 tap
2018-12-04T23:38:36 < sync> :D
2018-12-04T23:39:40 < zyp> best pogo
2018-12-04T23:40:33 < zyp> now you can just tap your vias and screw in test leads
2018-12-04T23:41:28 < Steffanx> Haha :)
2018-12-04T23:41:44 < aandrew> yep
2018-12-04T23:45:26 < aandrew> so it seems I paid $2 for an M2 tap. I'm okay with that, but I kind of wanted the damned pogo pins
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2018-12-04T23:45:54 < Steffanx> Are they a special kind?
2018-12-04T23:46:17 < Steffanx> Your favourite ada sells a few too
2018-12-04T23:46:38 < aandrew> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/x/32845318049.html
2018-12-04T23:46:39 < aandrew> nothing special
2018-12-04T23:46:48 < Steffanx> For much more :P
2018-12-04T23:47:16 < aandrew> also got an order for 100 P50s as well: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/x/32914969423.html
2018-12-04T23:47:20 < aandrew> wonder if I'll get another tap :-)
2018-12-04T23:47:50 < sync> uhh
2018-12-04T23:47:57 < englishman> cheap
2018-12-04T23:48:07 < sync> I don't think you can actually make pogopins for that cheap that work reliably
2018-12-04T23:48:12 < englishman> too cheap
2018-12-04T23:48:12 < englishman> yeah
2018-12-04T23:48:21 < aandrew> this isn't for production
2018-12-04T23:48:37 < aandrew> if I have to fuck with them a little I'm okay with it, and if anything gets to be "real" I can spend for the real ones
2018-12-04T23:48:48 < Steffanx> ^
2018-12-04T23:49:50 < englishman> seems real cheap but it looks like ali is flooded with them
2018-12-04T23:49:53 < sync> sure, still
2018-12-04T23:49:54 < sync> yeah
2018-12-04T23:55:46 < Lux> the ones i got were about 8 usd and work fine
2018-12-04T23:56:09 < Lux> but that's really cheap, almost too cheap
2018-12-04T23:56:22 < machinehum> If I want to condition a signal down to 3V from a 3v3 MCU can I just smash it into something like this?
2018-12-04T23:56:37 < machinehum> https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/NLU2G16-D.PDF
2018-12-04T23:57:06 < sync> just put a schottky diode in series
2018-12-04T23:58:07 < machinehum> I want current to be able to flow the other way
2018-12-04T23:58:34 < machinehum> So when my signal goes down to 0V, discharge a cap or something
2018-12-04T23:58:57 < Lux> kinda crazy how those pogo-pin prices vary from 2cents up to 2$ on farnell
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2018-12-05T00:00:19 < Lux> just put a resistor in series to the driver and you should be fine
2018-12-05T00:04:38 < kakimir> neural networks in embedded solutions
2018-12-05T00:06:49 < kakimir> if I was advanced kaki or kakipro I would just neural network instead of endless twerking with controller parameters
2018-12-05T00:07:25 < Steffanx> Or not.
2018-12-05T00:07:42 < kakimir> I would just twerk them controller parameters better?
2018-12-05T00:07:51 < Steffanx> More if you where dr. Kakimir. Aka academic
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2018-12-05T00:08:26 < kakimir> when do we have ##stm32 neural networks in embedded solutions nightclass?
2018-12-05T00:09:29 < Steffanx> Youtube has it
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2018-12-05T00:32:26 < Steffanx> What are you controllering kakimir 
2018-12-05T00:33:18 < kakimir> I make conclusions of analog signals
2018-12-05T00:33:31 < kakimir> out of analog signals*
2018-12-05T00:33:59 < Steffanx> Ty for this insight kakimir 
2018-12-05T00:34:44 < Steffanx> Youre late superbia. Party is over
2018-12-05T00:36:43 < kakimir> facebook chat?
2018-12-05T00:36:48 < kakimir> what a joke
2018-12-05T00:45:01 < kakimir> I don't understand thing that employer would buy a phone for employee
2018-12-05T00:45:18 < kakimir> tech guise want to buy their own phones
2018-12-05T00:50:41 < kakimir> it's like?
2018-12-05T00:50:58 < kakimir> why don't you just use skype or anything else usable?
2018-12-05T00:53:35 < sync> you overestimate the nerdiness of the average non-IRC EE pro
2018-12-05T00:56:02 < kakimir> yes
2018-12-05T01:01:40 < zyp> kakimir, it's a matter of whether it's used for work or not
2018-12-05T01:02:27 < zyp> if you need your phone to do your job, it's reasonable that your employer pays for it
2018-12-05T01:04:00 < zyp> and if the employer puts restrictions on how that phone is used, it's also reasonable that you keep a private phone of your own choice too
2018-12-05T01:04:21 < zyp> this has the benefit of being able to put away the work phone when you're not paid to be available
2018-12-05T01:05:08 < kakimir> interestings - different supply and my analog signals are different
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2018-12-05T01:06:32 < zyp> personally I've never had a work phone, but one of my previous employers covered phone subscription and home internet as a benefit
2018-12-05T01:07:26 < kakimir> does ee need a phone?
2018-12-05T01:08:20 < zyp> depends, I guess
2018-12-05T01:09:04 < zyp> in my current job, I'm not sure I've ever received a work-related phonecall
2018-12-05T01:09:34 < zyp> people just call on skype all the time
2018-12-05T01:10:13 < kakimir> you sit in relative silence or have some concentration / distraction musics and ee the shit out of stuff
2018-12-05T01:10:20 < kakimir> there is zero phone calls
2018-12-05T01:10:42 < zyp> I have taken some skype calls on my phone, but that was just because I were skipping out of the office to deal with personal stuff
2018-12-05T01:12:54 < zyp> like that time people scheduled a big meeting the same day I had a periodic service appointment for my car
2018-12-05T01:13:32 < PeterM> Missed opportunity for Kakademic [09:07] <Steffanx> More if you where dr. Kakimir. Aka academic   
2018-12-05T01:13:46 < zyp> meeting started right when my car was done, so I ended up attending the meeting while driving back to the office
2018-12-05T01:14:20 < kakimir> :o
2018-12-05T01:14:24 < kakimir> kakademic
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2018-12-05T01:14:46 < kakimir> sounds like a combination of kaka and epidemic
2018-12-05T01:15:07 < kakimir> kaka meaning shit
2018-12-05T01:16:05 < PeterM> how else do  they expect you to look at datasheets when you're on the shitter? use your own phone? thats completely unreasonable
2018-12-05T01:16:56 < kakimir> you don't look up shit from internets while on shitter?
2018-12-05T01:17:11 < kakimir> but work even on potty?
2018-12-05T01:18:31 < PeterM> its good quiet mostly silent concentration time
2018-12-05T01:18:45 < PeterM> ideal for productivity
2018-12-05T01:19:29 < englishman> i like to race my turds against a sudoku game
2018-12-05T01:20:28 < englishman> PeterM that shit you linked yesterday was pretty wild
2018-12-05T01:22:22 < PeterM> what shit?
2018-12-05T01:25:30 < PeterM> http://egmicro.com/download/EG1186_datasheet.pdf this is pretty wild :D
2018-12-05T01:25:56 < PeterM> also altium schematics in DS, noice.
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2018-12-05T01:30:51 < sync> wat it do?
2018-12-05T01:32:32 < Thorn> looks like a synchronous buck controller with high Vin
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2018-12-05T01:35:39 < englishman> nice little 120w dcdc for tiny EVs
2018-12-05T01:35:43 < englishman> maybe
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2018-12-05T01:40:55 < zyp> how high Vin are we talking?
2018-12-05T01:41:20 < sync> well their app circuit shows a 100V cap
2018-12-05T01:41:52 < zyp> not EV then
2018-12-05T01:42:02 < zyp> I guess telecom stuff, running on 48V DC
2018-12-05T01:43:24 < zyp> page 4 mentions PoE
2018-12-05T01:43:33 < zyp> although 120W sounds a bit much for that :)
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2018-12-05T01:45:32 < bitmask> if a buck converter has a frequency of 300 kHz can you use it in a low frequency pwm mode or is that not gonna turn out well
2018-12-05T01:46:11 < englishman> VBmax is 600V
2018-12-05T01:46:45 < zyp> ah
2018-12-05T01:46:58 < bitmask> nvm soft start is 15ms
2018-12-05T01:47:09 < zyp> then maybe it's usable as a DCDC to charge the 12V battery
2018-12-05T01:47:15 < englishman> exactly
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2018-12-05T02:08:30 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtlrITxB5qg
2018-12-05T02:08:43 < kakimir> acsii boobies
2018-12-05T02:08:54 < kakimir> on ibm mainframe
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2018-12-05T03:30:00 < englishman> arduino https://giant.gfycat.com/LivelyConfusedAuklet.webm
2018-12-05T03:33:08 < Thorn> how homophobic
2018-12-05T03:39:46 < Thorn> also what about countersteering
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2018-12-05T03:48:21 < sync> you onld need 2 accels for a bike
2018-12-05T03:50:55 < sync> bosch does that trick for their ABS/ESP thing
2018-12-05T04:41:52 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/Bq_Q0OcFmYk/
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2018-12-05T05:14:53 < ds2> *whew* almost blew another pcb
2018-12-05T05:18:26 < englishman> better luck next time
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2018-12-05T06:17:15 < upgrdman_> mechanical pros: anyone know what this type of linear stage is called? http://159.89.148.27/
2018-12-05T06:17:16 < upgrdman_> i need to buy something like that. its small and light duty. single rail / acme screw combined into one
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2018-12-05T06:27:24 < upgrdman> sync, ^
2018-12-05T06:28:30 < sync> stop looking at your server logs while I'm already observing your cloner pix
2018-12-05T06:28:51 < upgrdman> lol
2018-12-05T06:30:35 < sync> I actually have no idea
2018-12-05T06:31:05 < upgrdman> bummer, ok.
2018-12-05T06:31:12 < sync> that looks fairly custom tho
2018-12-05T06:31:15 < upgrdman> i couldnt find any markings on it to give away the brand or name
2018-12-05T06:31:27 < sync> does the carriage ride on something?
2018-12-05T06:33:15 < upgrdman> ya, i'll take a photo
2018-12-05T06:34:25 < upgrdman> sync, http://159.89.148.27/20181205_123211.jpg
2018-12-05T06:34:47 < sync> huh
2018-12-05T06:34:54 < sync> so it really is a miniature linear guide
2018-12-05T06:34:56 < sync> interesting
2018-12-05T06:38:11 < sync> yeah I think this is custom stuff
2018-12-05T06:38:43 < upgrdman> sync, the company that made this machine does not do high volumes. im included to think its some COTS part
2018-12-05T06:38:59 < upgrdman> is there a name for combined screw/guide?
2018-12-05T06:39:13 < upgrdman> i dont know ME jargon :(
2018-12-05T06:42:18 < sync> linear unit/module or some shit
2018-12-05T06:43:29 < sync> the lad is tiny tho
2018-12-05T06:48:30 < upgrdman> https://www.erhardt-leimer.com/product/linear-unit-vss60/
2018-12-05T06:48:37 < upgrdman> getting close-ish
2018-12-05T06:50:43 < sync> well eh
2018-12-05T06:50:53 < sync> miniature linear units are common
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2018-12-05T06:53:48 < sync> thk kr are common
2018-12-05T07:06:11 < upgrdman> sync, many thanks! thk kr33 might do the trick
2018-12-05T07:06:23 < upgrdman> sync, any other similar options i should check out?
2018-12-05T07:06:50 < upgrdman> i dont need much quality. only moving ~1.5kg at ~100mm/second
2018-12-05T07:17:09 < sync> well check bosch (rexroth), nsk, parker
2018-12-05T07:18:02 < upgrdman> sync, ok. thanks!
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2018-12-05T07:54:35 < ds2> ground planes under antennas are a bad thing :
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2018-12-05T08:56:36 < Haohmaru> wowz, it's too early
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2018-12-05T08:58:20 < Haohmaru> wut'z happenin?
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2018-12-05T09:33:03 < Haohmaru> i'm clickering kicad
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2018-12-05T09:40:35 < Haohmaru> reinventing my old ethernet module
2018-12-05T09:41:09 < Haohmaru> ..using a cortex-m chip this time (aka, imma fail hard)
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2018-12-05T09:45:53 < Haohmaru> coz it's way over my head
2018-12-05T09:47:22 < Haohmaru> Q: i think i read in multiple places, that the 100nF caps on power pins should be put as close as possible to the pins, and i think even "avoid vias" .. and on the demoboard i see some of these caps are on the opposite side of the pcb
2018-12-05T09:47:50 < Haohmaru> ...is that bad?
2018-12-05T09:48:56 < Haohmaru> crt the old one was xmega+w5500, this one has to be with encryption capabilities
2018-12-05T09:49:38 < PeterM> oi crt is this you https://i.redd.it/554k4t1e2oz11.jpg
2018-12-05T09:49:48 < Haohmaru> and, supposedly smaller pcb (but i doubt.. i'm not a magician)
2018-12-05T09:50:54 < PeterM> vias arent that bad, just think of them as  another 1.6mm of trace
2018-12-05T09:52:03 < Haohmaru> okay, imma throw them on the back cuz they r so many
2018-12-05T09:52:29 < Haohmaru> hundreds.. thousands of capacitors!
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2018-12-05T10:21:29 < PeterM> probably not that many
2018-12-05T10:21:40 < PeterM> but hundred posible
2018-12-05T10:26:40 < qyx> Haohmaru: what is your size goal if I may ask
2018-12-05T10:28:54 < Haohmaru> smaller than the old one.. which woz 70x40mm
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2018-12-05T10:54:56 < day> Haohmaru: how fast is the module?
2018-12-05T10:55:08 < day> 100Mbit?
2018-12-05T10:56:44 < Haohmaru> yez
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2018-12-05T11:19:03 < Haohmaru> https://i.postimg.cc/kMSTTHFN/image.png <- why do i have the feeling that this is wrong?
2018-12-05T11:20:18 < Haohmaru> i mean.. slapping that big +3.3VP fill zone in the inner layer
2018-12-05T11:20:19 < jpa-> because it has so many crappy ads?
2018-12-05T11:20:54 < Haohmaru> sorry for the russian brides or whatever you're seeing :/
2018-12-05T11:22:24 < Haohmaru> most of those things are the 100nF caps
2018-12-05T11:23:36 < Haohmaru> i *think* i'm supposed to connect each VDD pin of the chip to its own capacitor
2018-12-05T11:26:10 < PeterM> its fine
2018-12-05T11:26:30 < PeterM> if its good enough for fpgas is good enough for oyu
2018-12-05T11:27:00 < qyx> is it 2 layer or what
2018-12-05T11:27:06 < Haohmaru> 4 layer
2018-12-05T11:27:27 < Haohmaru> the pink sh*t is copper fill on an inner layer
2018-12-05T11:27:43 < Haohmaru> some vias are thus connected to that fill
2018-12-05T11:27:48 < qyx> what do you need besides the ethernet?
2018-12-05T11:28:04 < qyx> is it only ethernetting?
2018-12-05T11:28:23 < Haohmaru> ethernetting and cryptographing
2018-12-05T11:28:49 < qyx> no other things? any other comms, power supplies etc?
2018-12-05T11:29:47 < qyx> F1 with ethernet, passive PoE/power jack and dc/dc converter (6-35V) fits nicely on 50x50mm dual layer
2018-12-05T11:30:07 < Haohmaru> well, it's basically supposed to be a communication bridge.. so it has one USART .. you send enything - it throws it onto TCP, something comes from TCP - it throws it onto the USART
2018-12-05T11:31:08 < Haohmaru> this time i decided to give 5V to the module, just to be safe for the future, so i slapped an on-board ncp1117 3.3V regulator
2018-12-05T11:31:31 < Haohmaru> the old version just required 3.3V to come from outside
2018-12-05T11:36:41 < Haohmaru> PeterM i have the feeling that this would reduce the effect of the caps
2018-12-05T11:37:53 < Haohmaru> i have no idea how much, maybe it's insignificant
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2018-12-05T12:13:51 < zyp> Haohmaru, the pink polygon fill seems to have crazy high clearance settings
2018-12-05T12:15:28 < Haohmaru> haven't adjusted anything yet.. just slapped it in
2018-12-05T12:16:26 < zyp> also, are you sure you want to do double sided assembly?
2018-12-05T12:16:51 < Haohmaru> i don't know really
2018-12-05T12:18:04 < Haohmaru> they don't care, they want it to be small, and they want cortex or 32bit chip.. <mega_shrug.jpg>
2018-12-05T12:18:07 < zyp> double sided assembly saves you some area on the top layer but increases complexity and cost since that means you need two p&p and reflow steps
2018-12-05T12:19:01 < zyp> and the area you save from the top is spent on the bottom and thus unavailable for routing signals there
2018-12-05T12:19:52 < zyp> by the way, what was your max board size?
2018-12-05T12:20:06 < Haohmaru> i got another problem now.. i'll have to switch to the 100pin version of the chip
2018-12-05T12:20:36 < zyp> I thought the whole point of using that thing over stm32 was that it was available in a smaller package :p
2018-12-05T12:21:25 < Haohmaru> yes, but thanks to microsh*t's nasty tables and datasheetz, i woz fooled into thinking it has all the things i need at the same time
2018-12-05T12:21:35 < zyp> but anyway, what's your size budget?
2018-12-05T12:21:53 < Haohmaru> the old module is 70x40mm
2018-12-05T12:22:47 < Haohmaru> if i have to do it with components only on one side, then i think 0603 will be too big
2018-12-05T12:22:55 < zyp> pff
2018-12-05T12:23:39 < Haohmaru> i'm allowed to use smaller components, but i didn't want to, unless there's a good reason
2018-12-05T12:23:49 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/X0LvB.png <- I think this is something like 40x90
2018-12-05T12:24:00 < zyp> qfp100, 0603
2018-12-05T12:24:32 < zyp> could easily cut off the stuff in the top and bottom that you don't need to make it smaller
2018-12-05T12:25:03 < zyp> upper right is a buck regulator, consumes a lot more area than your 1117
2018-12-05T12:25:49 < Haohmaru> there are no components on the back?
2018-12-05T12:26:37 < zyp> only connectors
2018-12-05T12:27:01 < zyp> this board stacks on top of another so there needed to be connectors facing down
2018-12-05T12:27:14 < zyp> but apart from those, everything is on the top
2018-12-05T12:28:03 < zyp> I could probably have made the board even smaller, but the size was dictated by the connectors: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/rL7QV.png
2018-12-05T12:30:13 < Haohmaru> huh
2018-12-05T12:30:33  * Haohmaru hides his HC49 crystals
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2018-12-05T12:32:57 < Haohmaru> here comes the hot news
2018-12-05T12:37:08 < Laurenceb124> hot off the press https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-46427180
2018-12-05T12:38:35 < Laurenceb124> can't fap to this.hpg
2018-12-05T12:38:39 < Laurenceb124> *jpg
2018-12-05T12:49:08 < Laurenceb124> https://postimg.cc/8jYCmGZS oh wow my sides
2018-12-05T12:49:23 < dongs> Laurenceb124: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2018-12-05T12:49:27 < dongs> you expect us to read all that shit???
2018-12-05T12:49:38 < Laurenceb124> its lulzy
2018-12-05T12:49:43 < dongs> not at all
2018-12-05T12:50:32 < dongs> go ahead.
2018-12-05T12:50:37 < dongs> lemme know how unfunny it is when youre done
2018-12-05T12:50:53 < jpa-> heh, Laurenceb124 links to the same full-of-ads postimg that Haohmaru did; but in Laurenceb124's case the content on the edges is more worthy of a read
2018-12-05T12:51:02 < dongs> haha'
2018-12-05T12:52:53 < zyp> don't you have adblock? I don't see any ads on either
2018-12-05T12:53:09 < Haohmaru> i see ads for anastasiabullsh*t
2018-12-05T12:53:50 < Haohmaru> pls
2018-12-05T12:54:10 < Haohmaru> and you're probably one of the folks who uses /ignore on irc
2018-12-05T12:55:51 < Laurenceb124> we need to regulate the market of ideas, all comments should be pre approved by moderators
2018-12-05T12:55:54 < Laurenceb124>  /reddit
2018-12-05T12:57:07 < Laurenceb124> a stm32discovery shitpost detector
2018-12-05T12:57:36  * Laurenceb124 work
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2018-12-05T13:12:16 < Haohmaru> why didn't i see this same53j18 last time o_O
2018-12-05T13:12:38 < karlp> lolrence, didn't hear any questions from you this morning in the talk?
2018-12-05T13:21:07 < jpa-> Haohmaru: it seems funny how you keep digging for esoteric microcontrollers when you could have easily met your size targets by just picking the cheapest stm32 + external phy :P
2018-12-05T13:22:07 < karlp> flybacking...
2018-12-05T13:22:20 < karlp> or, in the common vernacular, autisming
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2018-12-05T13:29:07 < jpa-> i usually consider the risk of trying out some less commonly used mcu way too high compared to benefits
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2018-12-05T13:35:31 < Haohmaru> the ones i checked didn't have uSart
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2018-12-05T14:02:54 < PeterM> curious question to altium (and potentially other eda tool users), what size schematic sheets do you usually use?
2018-12-05T14:09:57 < zyp> A4 or so
2018-12-05T14:10:05 < Haohmaru> A4
2018-12-05T14:10:56 < zyp> A3 is also common, but it tends to turn out shit if you downscale it to A4 for printing, and I don't have an A3 printer
2018-12-05T14:12:13 < zyp> besides, if you divide your design into natural modules, it'll fit nicely on A4 sheets anyway
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2018-12-05T14:14:36 < PeterM> yeah, i usually use A3, I find A4 a little tight with standard grids, but A3 scaled to A4 for print still prints just fine
2018-12-05T14:14:58 < PeterM> I guess it depends on what you use to downscale it
2018-12-05T14:16:04 < zyp> my shit has plenty of space even on A4 sheets
2018-12-05T14:16:16 < zyp> but I might be using more sheets than you, I guess
2018-12-05T14:16:31 < Haohmaru> yeah, i use hierarchical shiitz
2018-12-05T14:16:38 < PeterM> I usually split my sheets for functional blocks etc
2018-12-05T14:17:11 < PeterM> so most sheets easily fit stuff on A4
2018-12-05T14:18:01 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/16UQA/D4A-AC-RL-EM.pdf <- here's a fairly simple design, four sheets (io, measurement chip general, measurement inputs, isolation circuitry)
2018-12-05T14:19:21 < zyp> and yes, that's a 48-pin chip divided into four schematic symbols
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2018-12-05T14:20:03 < PeterM> yeah, thats straight forward, i do that often (splitting parts)
2018-12-05T14:20:21 < PeterM> i have issues where i need mass duplicates of small subsystems
2018-12-05T14:21:22 < zyp> I haven't done any hierarchical designs myself yet, but I know you can make multilevel hierarchical designs
2018-12-05T14:21:54 < zyp> so you could have a subsystem divided into a bunch of sheets that you connect together in a parent sheet, and then you have repeated instances of the parent sheet in the toplevel sheet
2018-12-05T14:22:52 < karlp> any idea what omron's deal is with having both "standard" and "general purpose" relays?
2018-12-05T14:23:19 < zyp> make it harder to choose
2018-12-05T14:23:33 < karlp> looks like general purpose is the slightlier shitter version
2018-12-05T14:23:40 < PeterM> I need to look into that, how to make sure it generates "sane" incrimented net names etc
2018-12-05T14:24:31 < zyp> as long as you only have one level of multi-instancing, I don't think the other intermediate levels matter
2018-12-05T14:26:24 < PeterM> sorry, im not sure i follow
2018-12-05T14:27:13 < zyp> incremented net names only matters when you have multiple instances of a subsheet
2018-12-05T14:27:36 < PeterM> yeah, that is something i figure i would do
2018-12-05T14:28:08 < zyp> if the subsheet also has subsheets but only one instance of each, that wouldn't require another level of incremented names
2018-12-05T14:29:01 < PeterM> ok, sure, but then when i hit update pcb, then what net names go out to the board? just completely random, but connected correctly names?
2018-12-05T14:29:26 < zyp> you're asking about multiple instances in general now?
2018-12-05T14:30:19 < PeterM> uhh, i guess? 
2018-12-05T14:30:25 < zyp> each instance gets the net name from the schematic, plus a suffix for the instance
2018-12-05T14:30:35 < PeterM> makes sense
2018-12-05T14:31:03 < zyp> hmm, prefix actually
2018-12-05T14:31:14 < PeterM> yeah, i assumed thats what you meant
2018-12-05T14:32:23 < Laurenceb> arggg office365
2018-12-05T14:32:28 < Laurenceb> eye cancer
2018-12-05T14:32:44 < Laurenceb> >can't escape from calendar mode
2018-12-05T14:33:05 < zyp> now you're stuck in time
2018-12-05T14:33:28 < karlp> lower left, click on the mail icon again
2018-12-05T14:34:10 < Laurenceb> aha thanks
2018-12-05T14:34:15 < PeterM> when was heirarchical designs introduced?
2018-12-05T14:34:31 < Laurenceb> me in the bag https://postimg.cc/z3cDDysL
2018-12-05T14:40:39 < PeterM> fuck, introduced in 18, im still on 17 because i didnt think i'd do to much EDA while back at uni so i cancled my sub
2018-12-05T14:40:57 < zyp> what?
2018-12-05T14:42:10 < karlp> shoulda used kicad ;)
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2018-12-05T15:02:35 < dongs> what?
2018-12-05T15:02:41 < dongs> hierarchical shit has been in altidumb forever
2018-12-05T15:02:44 < dongs> or do you mean multiboard?
2018-12-05T15:10:19 < PeterM> all good, i got it worked out, i thoguth it was a different feature to the standard parent child schem stuff
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2018-12-05T15:52:57 < dongs> Laurenceb: beep
2018-12-05T15:53:04 < dongs> Laurenceb: https://twitter.com/zanoconspiracy/status/1070314686434820096
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2018-12-05T16:30:30 < qyx> yesterday I was reading a TI appnote analol frontend design of a PM2.5/PM10 particulate matter sensor
2018-12-05T16:30:51 < qyx> (tidub65c.pdf)
2018-12-05T16:31:48 < qyx> and found out that exactly the same pcb uses nearly half of the china-made sensors
2018-12-05T16:32:35 < dongs> why would chinks innovate anything
2018-12-05T16:32:41 < qyx> https://www.ebay.com/itm/PM2-5-GP2Y1014AU0F-Dust-Smoke-Particle-Sensor-Module-replace-GP2Y1010AU0F/201570060004
2018-12-05T16:32:44 < qyx> this for example
2018-12-05T16:38:41 < englishman> dongs>	
2018-12-05T16:38:42 < englishman> Laurenceb: https://twitter.com/zanoconspiracy/status/1070314686434820096
2018-12-05T16:38:44 < englishman> lol irl
2018-12-05T16:39:15 < dongs> lol
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2018-12-05T17:07:07 < karlp> qyx: heh, just had a "wat? what is plumcore?!" moment before I remembered what was going on
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2018-12-05T17:11:07 < jadew> dongs, is that your account?
2018-12-05T17:17:32 < dongs> yes
2018-12-05T17:17:51 < dongs> i mean isnt that obvious
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2018-12-05T17:41:40 < karlp> qyx: why are you publishing decimal numbers to mqtt with decimal digits, but not scaled properly to sane units?
2018-12-05T17:42:23 < karlp> like, meteo_rh = 9597.000 ? why not 95.97 ? temp is 159.000, why not 15.9?  you want to make things need _less_ documentation, not more :)
2018-12-05T17:43:06 < karlp> charger board temp looks a bit high isn't it? 9500.000?
2018-12-05T17:43:53 < dongs> maybe its Kelvin
2018-12-05T17:45:17 < karlp> 95.00 more likely,
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2018-12-05T17:51:57 < englishman> Ivan Reedman is, by nature, an innovator. He thrives on solving problems and creating solutions. He is considered by peers to be creative, unconventional, resourceful, flexible, and enthusiastic.
2018-12-05T17:52:04 < Laurenceb> kek that tweet
2018-12-05T17:52:10 < englishman> Attacking Hardware Systems Using Resonance and the Laws of Physics
2018-12-05T17:52:10 < Laurenceb> also >zanoconspiracy
2018-12-05T17:52:20 < englishman> Everything has a resonant frequency. By finding the resonant frequency of certain electronic sensors, programmable logic, and other devices, it is possible to subvert certain systems that are supposedly secured by the electronic components targeted in this research.
2018-12-05T17:52:24 < Laurenceb> waits thats literally dongs account
2018-12-05T17:52:48 < Laurenceb> wew blackhat.. how the mighty fall
2018-12-05T17:52:59 < englishman> basically tedX now
2018-12-05T17:53:32 < dongs> i looked up attendance fees, apparently it costs like 1500 GBP to go watch reedman spew bullshit
2018-12-05T17:53:38 < dongs> what the shit
2018-12-05T17:53:42 < dongs> why would anyone go to that shitshow
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2018-12-05T17:55:33 < englishman> i have a pal going to S4
2018-12-05T17:55:41 < englishman> a way more hardcore haxxor conf
2018-12-05T17:55:42 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBjmm48zwQU
2018-12-05T17:56:11 < Laurenceb> expected to see me for a sec
2018-12-05T17:57:26 < Laurenceb> a pro conference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e71gqdBYsmM
2018-12-05T17:58:41 < englishman> smaXtec: an STM32 MCU and 3D MEMS accelerometer to better inseminate cows
2018-12-05T17:59:34 < Laurenceb> not sure if troll
2018-12-05T18:01:19 < Laurenceb> how I picture ##stm32-con https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfaLjxT7njo
2018-12-05T18:01:49 < dongs> thats how i picture Laurenceb-con
2018-12-05T18:02:21 < Laurenceb> my sides at the end
2018-12-05T18:02:38 < Laurenceb> hail Britannia amirite
2018-12-05T18:04:33 < Laurenceb> >Mosley was charismatic. Gary is not
2018-12-05T18:04:36 < Laurenceb> >Gary
2018-12-05T18:04:50 < Laurenceb> orbital sides
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2018-12-05T18:06:53 < qyx> karlp: you are being bedantic!
2018-12-05T18:06:59 < qyx> more like pedantic
2018-12-05T18:07:06 < Laurenceb> oh wow the comments
2018-12-05T18:07:28 < Laurenceb> >I'm guessing you have two members and they are related
2018-12-05T18:08:03 < karlp> not really, if you're goign to publish a "temperature" and it's going to have decimals and be a string, why not make it a sane unit out of the box?
2018-12-05T18:08:08 < qyx> because, as you may see, 80% of the code is driven by super laziness and snprintf didn't know about %f
2018-12-05T18:08:21 < qyx> and I was lazy to investigate it 5min more
2018-12-05T18:08:37  * karlp shrugs, your fire :)
2018-12-05T18:08:54 < karlp> it's gonna save you time later if you actually have consistent units instead of having to check :)
2018-12-05T18:09:00 < qyx> so I decided that for a PoC is is enough
2018-12-05T18:09:01 < qyx> I know
2018-12-05T18:09:20 < qyx> I am refactoring those bullshits one by one
2018-12-05T18:10:06 < qyx> also some of the concepts proven to be not ideal, so many changes are ongoing
2018-12-05T18:10:41 < qyx> btw where did you find those things?
2018-12-05T18:13:00 < karlp> you have the classic "mistake" of committed default settings in your repo.
2018-12-05T18:14:52 < qyx> lolz
2018-12-05T18:15:06 < qyx> so hackerz
2018-12-05T18:16:05 < qyx> actually it is about time to implement tls
2018-12-05T18:16:24 < karlp> well, more than tls...
2018-12-05T18:17:05 < karlp> unless you're doing client certs too.
2018-12-05T18:17:26 < qyx> sure
2018-12-05T18:17:53 < karlp> you need access control, tls would jsut prevent other people from listening in on _me_ listening to you, which I'm not meant to be doing anyway :)
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2018-12-05T18:42:50 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/garyraikes2?lang=en
2018-12-05T18:43:50 < Laurenceb> my sides
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2018-12-05T19:08:08 < emeb> shades of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roderick_Spode
2018-12-05T19:10:09 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BrAtX2eBoNw/
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2018-12-05T19:11:58 < emeb> big kitty
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2018-12-05T19:13:55 < emeb> Thorn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOgZDUFvk4Y
2018-12-05T19:14:59 < Thorn> yeah I follow them on instagram
2018-12-05T19:16:03 < emeb> lol @ licking the pink blanket - just like a cat I used to have.
2018-12-05T19:16:43 < Thorn> CRS-16 launch with fresh mouse food T - 1 h https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esh1jHT9oTA
2018-12-05T19:17:23 < englishman> thanks
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2018-12-05T19:17:45 < dongs> WeedX is still allowed to laucnh govt projects?
2018-12-05T19:17:57 < englishman> dongs do you want a weed story
2018-12-05T19:18:02 < dongs> sup
2018-12-05T19:18:16 < englishman> this canuck $3b weed company was caught funneling $700m into worthless caribbean companies
2018-12-05T19:18:28 < englishman> http://www.qcmfunds.com/wp-content/uploads/Quintessential_Aphria_Report_20181203.pdf
2018-12-05T19:18:31 < englishman> page 8 and up
2018-12-05T19:18:39 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcr5tYPRwSk
2018-12-05T19:18:42 < englishman> presentation
2018-12-05T19:18:47 < englishman> stock is down more than 50% in the last 3 days
2018-12-05T19:19:17 < englishman> said companies are owned by a certain "insider"
2018-12-05T19:19:46 < englishman> tweets include #greedisgood #florida etc
2018-12-05T19:24:17 < emeb> Steffanx: added video -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp38Tmbr5Ow
2018-12-05T19:24:25 < emeb> no sound tho :P
2018-12-05T19:30:34 < dongs> why would you have a synth vid without sound
2018-12-05T19:31:57 < Thorn> clean energy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__oJUS2cqr0
2018-12-05T19:34:51 < day> Thorn: :D
2018-12-05T19:35:30 < englishman> cool
2018-12-05T19:48:33 < Steffanx> Cool ty emeb. Will watch :)
2018-12-05T19:51:21 < Steffanx> Oh no sound. Missed that part :P
2018-12-05T20:16:31 < englishman> kaboom
2018-12-05T20:22:42 < dongs> what the fuck was that white thing floating by
2018-12-05T20:22:45 < dongs> the landing module
2018-12-05T20:23:06 < Thorn> cock ring
2018-12-05T20:24:00 < englishman> whoa
2018-12-05T20:24:00 < englishman> whoa
2018-12-05T20:24:02 < englishman> careful
2018-12-05T20:24:04 < englishman> careful elon
2018-12-05T20:24:07 < dongs> that landing doesnt look good
2018-12-05T20:24:08 < dongs> lmao
2018-12-05T20:24:10 < englishman> CUT VIDEO
2018-12-05T20:24:10 < englishman> lolll
2018-12-05T20:24:19 < dongs> damn
2018-12-05T20:24:52 < dongs> wat
2018-12-05T20:25:00 < englishman> (((censored)))
2018-12-05T20:25:04 < dongs> fuckin jews
2018-12-05T20:25:16 < Thorn> why no stage 1 footage
2018-12-05T20:26:23 < Thorn> there're 100 cameras on the coast
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2018-12-05T20:31:19 < englishman> laaame
2018-12-05T20:31:38 < emeb> I'm sure we'll see it all later.
2018-12-05T20:31:44 < emeb> big sploosh
2018-12-05T20:33:04 < qyx> wheres kaboom
2018-12-05T20:33:06 < emeb> needs moar WD-40
2018-12-05T20:33:39 < Thorn> https://clips.twitch.tv/WimpyBeautifulAnteaterCoolStoryBob https://clips.twitch.tv/CleverSpineyEggPrimeMe
2018-12-05T20:34:21 < Thorn> stuck grid fin apparently
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2018-12-05T20:37:08 < englishman> ty
2018-12-05T20:37:47 < Thorn> Grid fin hydraulic pump stalled, so Falcon landed just out to sea. Appears to be undamaged & is transmitting data. Recovery ship dispatched. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1070386062164283392
2018-12-05T20:42:37 < Thorn> elon is sorry about cutting off the video roskosmos style
2018-12-05T20:43:38 < dongs> did they ever find out waht happened with that manned capsule thing
2018-12-05T20:44:34 < dongs> the one that didnt make it to iss
2018-12-05T20:44:52 < qyx> the one that landed in kazachstan or where it was?
2018-12-05T20:45:12 < englishman> they had a samtec connector on one of the boosters
2018-12-05T20:45:14 < englishman> and it failed RoHS
2018-12-05T20:45:19 < dongs> hehe
2018-12-05T20:45:26 < dongs> all the news end on oct12
2018-12-05T20:45:30 < dongs> when it says "ivnestigation started"
2018-12-05T20:45:59 < dongs> sure the crew was fine
2018-12-05T20:48:25 < Thorn> dongs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5boa6wAK0Sc
2018-12-05T21:02:57 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NmOIuQj7q_8lOJq51n2rudx1kXLKhKns/view?usp=sharing any clue what is this?
2018-12-05T21:05:12 < kakimir> dual 4input nand gate?
2018-12-05T21:06:39 < kakimir> so much excess pins
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2018-12-05T21:06:57 < kakimir> interesting piece
2018-12-05T21:07:07 < kakimir> ceramic and shiet
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2018-12-05T21:07:53 < kakimir> gold looking stuff
2018-12-05T21:08:01 < kakimir> that is not probs gold maybe
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2018-12-05T21:14:48 < kakimir> I don't think I will do anything with it
2018-12-05T21:14:52 < kakimir> but look at it
2018-12-05T21:15:11 < kakimir> and keep it on upper shelf
2018-12-05T21:17:23 < englishman> C2168 = week 21, 1968?
2018-12-05T21:17:55 < englishman> sounds early
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2018-12-05T21:22:41 < kakimir> year of apollo flight to moon?
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2018-12-05T21:22:46 < englishman> https://www.elnec.com/en/support/ic-logos/?method=logo
2018-12-05T21:22:48 < englishman> it isnt here
2018-12-05T21:22:54 < kakimir> was dip even a thing then?
2018-12-05T21:23:02 < englishman> way too early for korea too i think
2018-12-05T21:23:20 < kakimir> it is there
2018-12-05T21:23:25 < kakimir> nice page
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2018-12-05T21:25:05 < kakimir> no it's not the exact one
2018-12-05T21:25:11 < kakimir> I thought it aws alpha industries
2018-12-05T21:26:07 < kakimir> https://www.elnec.com/en/support/ic-logos/manufacturer-description/?manuf=Alpha+Industries
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2018-12-05T21:28:54 < englishman> https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMI-S1757-WHITE-CERAMIC-Gold-Plated-Pins-Vintage-IC-RARE-CPU-Gray-Trace-/172381074695
2018-12-05T21:28:58 < englishman> could be a very niche AMI logo
2018-12-05T21:30:48 < englishman> whoa
2018-12-05T21:30:48 < englishman> https://www.elnec.com/captcha.php
2018-12-05T21:30:52 < englishman> i love that captcha
2018-12-05T21:32:25 < kakimir> http://www.decadecounter.com/vta/articleview.php?item=392
2018-12-05T21:32:39 < kakimir> could it be an early microprocessor?
2018-12-05T21:34:47 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1070399755526656000
2018-12-05T21:35:21 < englishman> AMI founded 1966
2018-12-05T21:36:25 < kakimir> what does ami stand for?
2018-12-05T21:37:52 < englishman> american microsystems, bought by on 10 years ago
2018-12-05T21:38:31 < englishman> https://www.ebay.com/itm/RAREST-Pre-MOS-Technology-MCS6502-AMI-Semiconductor-1960s-Computer-Chip-Set-NOS-/362394350204
2018-12-05T21:38:31 < englishman> yes
2018-12-05T21:38:33 < englishman> kakimir: 
2018-12-05T21:40:37 < kakimir> wow
2018-12-05T21:41:19 < kakimir> those chips have kept their price
2018-12-05T21:41:58 < englishman> cool Thorn
2018-12-05T21:43:23 < kakimir> colletor's items
2018-12-05T21:43:37 < kakimir> I think I'd better start coding for that chip
2018-12-05T21:44:30 < englishman> kakimir: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/super-ic-chip-vintage-ami-70s-gold-1794225966
2018-12-05T21:46:37 < kakimir> how the hell I have such chip
2018-12-05T21:48:54 < Steffanx> You stole it from a museum when you were drunk
2018-12-05T21:51:56 < kakimir> friend had it in his barn/warehouse in pile of old crusty electronics
2018-12-05T21:52:12 < kakimir> I bought the pile for 10eur
2018-12-05T21:52:36 < Thorn> kakimir school of business
2018-12-05T21:52:44 < kakimir> like really vintage maybe bakelite tsr plugs and stuff
2018-12-05T21:53:36 < kakimir> if it was any older stuff it would have been lathed out of wood
2018-12-05T21:53:49 < kakimir> probs had wooden stuff too cannot remember
2018-12-05T21:57:55 < englishman> https://www.startengine.com/atlis-motor-vehicles
2018-12-05T21:58:09 < englishman> $45k truck, 300 mile range, 15min charge time, $1m crowdfunding
2018-12-05T21:59:32 < kakimir> http://firstmicroprocessor.com/ holy shit
2018-12-05T22:00:05 < englishman> https://d19j0qt0x55bap.cloudfront.net/production/startups/atlis-motor-vehicles/campaign/images/052679cf-a136-4682-9983-8dce374b252f.jpg
2018-12-05T22:01:06 < kakimir> if they designed and developed first microprocessor from 1968-1970
2018-12-05T22:01:09 < kakimir> what is this then?
2018-12-05T22:01:22 < jadew> can you imagine how shit the code is
2018-12-05T22:01:34 < jadew> or was
2018-12-05T22:01:45 < englishman> i dont think your chip is from 1968 kaks
2018-12-05T22:01:49 < englishman> 1978 maybe
2018-12-05T22:03:34 < Steffanx> What does the sticker say kakimir 
2018-12-05T22:06:12 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PbAg3XhyMsr444sP_Gt0_itATGJjpwX5/view?usp=sharing that someone probs payed a months pay for it back in the days
2018-12-05T22:06:52 < englishman> 300 markka
2018-12-05T22:07:03 < kakimir> 300markkaa
2018-12-05T22:07:38 < englishman> still expensive
2018-12-05T22:08:08 < Steffanx> what currency did you have before the euro kakimir?
2018-12-05T22:08:28 < Steffanx> oh markka lol
2018-12-05T22:08:59 < Steffanx> before my internet life finland didnt exist
2018-12-05T22:09:07 < Steffanx> still wonder if it does
2018-12-05T22:09:10 < englishman> this is so true
2018-12-05T22:11:04 < kakimir> finnish internet presence is a bit bigger for it's population size
2018-12-05T22:14:20 < kakimir> none
2018-12-05T22:16:43 < kakimir> okay ami had 7200 and 7300 microcontrollers in 71-73
2018-12-05T22:16:59 < kakimir> I expect this to be newer than those
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2018-12-05T22:22:04 < kakimir> wow story of the first microprocessor is interesting
2018-12-05T22:24:06 < kakimir> 1st mp chip set, 1st aerospace mp, 1st fly-by-wire computer, 1st military mp, 1st production mp, 1st 20-bit microprocessor ... and the list goes on
2018-12-05T22:25:06 < kakimir> first mp use in digital signal processing application, execution pipeline, paraller processing, integrated math co-processors
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2018-12-05T22:29:15 < kakimir> http://firstmicroprocessor.com/documents/2013powerpoint.ppt
2018-12-05T22:34:52 < englishman> insurance fraud in russia https://i.imgur.com/vix3mLb.gifv
2018-12-05T22:49:47 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_AiResearch
2018-12-05T22:50:11 < kakimir> so first microprocessor chipset was actually honeywell
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2018-12-05T22:54:33 < englishman> dongs: JC4 scene release
2018-12-05T22:56:41 < Steffanx> sexy
2018-12-05T22:57:37 < Steffanx> are you a gamer englishman?
2018-12-05T22:57:52 < englishman> i like sudoku
2018-12-05T23:02:21 < englishman> hmmm
2018-12-05T23:02:37 < englishman> arrow sent me some extra parts
2018-12-05T23:04:11 < emeb> happened to me too a few weeks back. Ordered 5x of an IC from mouser - they sent me a rail of 20.
2018-12-05T23:04:50 < englishman> how nice of them
2018-12-05T23:05:37 < kakimir> they know who to bribe
2018-12-05T23:06:01 < kakimir> with extra chips
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2018-12-05T23:21:14 < aandrew> heh
2018-12-05T23:30:46 < Steffanx> jadew did you know imdb ratings are back?
2018-12-05T23:30:46 < kakimir> I feel dirty after coding
2018-12-05T23:30:57 < Steffanx> Are you sure it was coding?
2018-12-05T23:31:04 < kakimir> yes
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2018-12-05T23:31:18 < Steffanx> Are you sure?
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2018-12-05T23:31:22 < kakimir> yes
2018-12-05T23:31:29 < kakimir> I left it in a mess
2018-12-05T23:31:36 < kakimir> it works.
2018-12-05T23:31:43 < Steffanx> why you do things like that
2018-12-05T23:32:05 < kakimir> last part I made lacks coherence
2018-12-05T23:32:13 < Steffanx> you scared catphish away
2018-12-05T23:32:31 < kakimir> then major rewrite to adc auxiliary functions
2018-12-05T23:32:43 < kakimir> voltage conversions etc.
2018-12-05T23:32:43 < Steffanx> i still have no clue what youre working on
2018-12-05T23:32:58 < kakimir> left that old shit commented here and there
2018-12-05T23:33:17 < kakimir> and I don't still have that highest priority interrupt set
2018-12-05T23:33:37 < kakimir> and it's singlefile
2018-12-05T23:33:43 < kakimir> 2000lines
2018-12-05T23:33:58 < kakimir> *shivers*
2018-12-05T23:35:06 < antto> -std=kaki18
2018-12-05T23:35:11 < kakimir> I think codedumpster.c is about the same size if I clean up
2018-12-05T23:35:42 < Steffanx> dont give us that std antto
2018-12-05T23:37:55 < antto> big funny, much joke, such lol
2018-12-05T23:38:08 < antto> very kek
2018-12-05T23:38:12 < Steffanx> had a bad day antto
2018-12-05T23:38:14 < Steffanx> ?
2018-12-05T23:38:23 < antto> how did you know
2018-12-05T23:38:31 < Steffanx> you always seem to have that
2018-12-05T23:38:54 < kakimir> nice Stef
2018-12-05T23:39:05 < kakimir> you smart
2018-12-05T23:39:06 < antto> then you know that old woman who sold you yer crystal ball just scammed u
2018-12-05T23:40:02 < Steffanx> Ya.
2018-12-05T23:40:48 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rBZEZqBfTjqixu6Ib6VMN9Zmdp26edO2/view?usp=sharing Steffanx 
2018-12-05T23:40:50 < Steffanx> Can we do something to make tomorrow a better day antto 
2018-12-05T23:41:11 < antto> lemme think about it
2018-12-05T23:41:16 < antto> nope
2018-12-05T23:41:54 < Steffanx> Crt can you cheer up antto?
2018-12-05T23:42:10 < Steffanx> What am i looking at kakimir.
2018-12-05T23:42:11 < antto> o_O
2018-12-05T23:42:17 < Steffanx> Secret kakimuch.
2018-12-05T23:42:24 < antto> i'm sure he has better things to do
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2018-12-05T23:43:11 < kakimir> me?
2018-12-05T23:43:12 < kakimir> no
2018-12-05T23:43:27 < kakimir> I'm just so sick I limit my typing
2018-12-05T23:43:43 < kakimir> especially if it involves thinking
2018-12-05T23:43:54 < antto> kakiless
2018-12-05T23:44:25 < kakimir> Steffanx: what does physics symbol U mean?
2018-12-05T23:45:34 < kakimir> maybe voltage?
2018-12-05T23:45:39 < antto> voltage?
2018-12-05T23:46:18 < kakimir> then we see there is delta voltage ramping up
2018-12-05T23:46:52 < antto> something must be pumping teh voltage
2018-12-05T23:47:04 < kakimir> it also seems to have delta voltage threshold.. that delta voltage never seems to exceed that threshold
2018-12-05T23:48:07 < antto> if the other traces aren't voltages too, then that plot sux
2018-12-05T23:48:23 < kakimir> there also seems to be some sort of incremented counter "period_count"
2018-12-05T23:48:48 < Steffanx> Ty kakimir
2018-12-05T23:48:50 < kakimir> it never seems to exceed that upper threshold line but doesn't always reach it
2018-12-05T23:49:12 < kakimir> but cleary when it does that counter clears
2018-12-05T23:50:04 < Steffanx> I guess i wont even try to understand. Better for me and you :P
2018-12-05T23:50:13 < kakimir> also that counter seems to go up faster when it exceeds those thresold lines
2018-12-05T23:50:37 < antto> that's when teh RedBull kicks in
2018-12-05T23:51:19 < kakimir> that's when the shit happens when it exceeds those lines
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2018-12-05T23:52:01 < kakimir> reaches them
2018-12-05T23:52:14 < antto> that's when teh dolan rests his blond a$$ onto the big red butten by accident
2018-12-05T23:54:00 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kKFo29iuSFsycNa006H5beyapiaYjrKQ/view?usp=sharing when that counter doesn't reach those lines it seems to not rise as fast though
2018-12-05T23:56:33 < kakimir> to say that speed of increasing counter has link to mode of operation of the device too
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2018-12-05T23:58:22 < kakimir> it just to keep fixed thresholds when mode of operation change drastically changes speed of deltaU increase speed
2018-12-05T23:58:32 < Steffanx> i feel like a rubber duck.
2018-12-05T23:59:02 < kakimir> you are my therapist
2018-12-05T23:59:22 < Steffanx> what kind of sickness do you have?
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2018-12-06T00:01:17 < kakimir> bipolar coding disorder
2018-12-06T00:02:19 < Steffanx> ty
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2018-12-06T00:06:18 < kakimir> I used my boss one day as rubber duck in skype
2018-12-06T00:06:45 < kakimir> I think he banned me for a week after that
2018-12-06T00:07:10 < ac_slater> hey guys. Sorry to ask about HAL questions here. I have an STM32F4. I'm using the HAL to do HAL_UART_Transmit(). After about 860 bytes, it just starts printing zeros
2018-12-06T00:07:14 < ac_slater> what the hell could that be
2018-12-06T00:07:31 < ac_slater> Maybe I'm not flushing it or something
2018-12-06T00:09:09 < kakimir> stack size?
2018-12-06T00:10:20 < ac_slater> kakimir: which stack?
2018-12-06T00:10:25 < kakimir> you transmit more than 860 bytes in one transmit?
2018-12-06T00:10:30 < kakimir> or multiple
2018-12-06T00:10:32 < ac_slater> kakimir: just a single byte, sorrty
2018-12-06T00:10:35 < ac_slater> sorry* 
2018-12-06T00:10:59 < kakimir> so you send 860bytes out successfully?
2018-12-06T00:11:37 < kakimir> with separate transmissions?
2018-12-06T00:11:51 < ac_slater> Not sure if you're familiar with freertos, but in my `__io_putchar()` syscall overload, I push the byte (since it's byte oriented) into a FreeRTOS queue. In my ApplicationIdleHook(), I look at the queue and pop a char and send HAL_UART_Transmit() with that one byte
2018-12-06T00:11:52 < kakimir> then everything after that is nul?
2018-12-06T00:12:24 < ac_slater> so far, the way I do it works pretty well. Up until ~860 bytes
2018-12-06T00:12:42 < ac_slater> it's probably not a HAL/UART problem now that I think about it
2018-12-06T00:13:01 < kakimir> highly unlikelly
2018-12-06T00:13:22 < kakimir> it's something to do with mem stuff
2018-12-06T00:14:01 < kakimir> do you have a debugger?
2018-12-06T00:14:13 < ac_slater> kakimir: yea I'm using AC6
2018-12-06T00:14:21 < ac_slater> and I'm on a nucleo board with a built in STLINK
2018-12-06T00:15:17 < ac_slater> I'll figure it out
2018-12-06T00:15:32 < ac_slater> It's probably not HAL_UART_Trasmit at that's fine by itself
2018-12-06T00:15:34 < ac_slater> thanks!
2018-12-06T00:15:44 < kakimir> it can be in freertos configuration
2018-12-06T00:16:23 < kakimir> I have only vary basic knowledge / xp of freertos
2018-12-06T00:16:36 < kakimir> *the very basic
2018-12-06T00:21:54 < kakimir> my freertos experiment eventually faulted
2018-12-06T00:22:25 < kakimir> something to do with tasks and stuff
2018-12-06T00:22:54 < kakimir> every time I wrote second task it faulted or so
2018-12-06T00:25:00 < ac_slater> lol
2018-12-06T00:25:08 < ac_slater> I think the issue is just me being quick about things
2018-12-06T00:25:11 < ac_slater> I really need to think about it
2018-12-06T00:25:13 < ac_slater> thanks kakimir 
2018-12-06T00:25:15 < qyx> why are you transmitting in the idle hook?
2018-12-06T00:25:15 < ac_slater> I really appreciate it
2018-12-06T00:25:17 < Steffanx> dont do that kakimir
2018-12-06T00:25:32 < ac_slater> qyx: why not though?
2018-12-06T00:25:56 < kakimir> ac_slater: I'm just a rubber duck
2018-12-06T00:26:00 < qyx> because when there is always a task ready to run, your idle hook is not entered
2018-12-06T00:26:01 < kakimir> do your thing
2018-12-06T00:26:26 < qyx> oh, you get zeroes?
2018-12-06T00:26:29 < ac_slater> qyx: right. My understanding is that there should typically be room for the idle hook to be called.
2018-12-06T00:26:46 < ac_slater> qyx: yea. It works, It just eventually transmits zeros
2018-12-06T00:26:51 < ac_slater> I'll paste the code
2018-12-06T00:29:25 < kakimir> I think there was some sort of service task or so that does stuff when there is stuff to do
2018-12-06T00:29:56 < kakimir> like clock out some bytes from buffer before buffer goes out of control
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2018-12-06T00:34:30 < kakimir> or forced periodic idle task idk.
2018-12-06T00:42:37 < jadew> sup?
2018-12-06T00:42:47 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/a/dmZN8vJ
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2018-12-06T00:44:17 < Laurenceb124> what a time to be alive
2018-12-06T00:45:06 < Laurenceb124> til some britbong called Gary is reforming the nazi cuz he thinks he is a reincarnation of hitler
2018-12-06T00:48:22 < Laurenceb124> garyraikes2 on twitter
2018-12-06T00:48:59 < jadew> I worked 8 hours today (almost), for money (which is not a common occurence these days) and there's more work to be done tomorrow
2018-12-06T00:49:23 < jadew> and I kinda liked it, but guess what I had to do
2018-12-06T00:49:51 < jadew> penetration testing and code review
2018-12-06T00:50:09 < Laurenceb124> >penetration testing
2018-12-06T00:50:11 < Laurenceb124> no homo
2018-12-06T00:50:14 < jadew> haha
2018-12-06T00:51:27 < jadew> voluntary
2018-12-06T00:52:21 < jadew> thing is, I don't think companies are eager to pay for such a service, not until they get bitten in the ass
2018-12-06T00:53:14 < jadew> (I was contemplating the idea of doing this more often)
2018-12-06T00:53:25 < jadew> and yeah... it's probably a hard sell
2018-12-06T00:53:56 < jadew> haha
2018-12-06T00:56:28 < day> jadew: there are huge companies in india doing it professionally. i dont think it's a small market. even my company is using them for product security audits. (and that means something) :P
2018-12-06T00:57:31 < jadew> day, why would you turn to india for this?
2018-12-06T00:57:56 < Laurenceb124> sheet my irc got raided https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46460442
2018-12-06T00:58:07 < jadew> they must have the highest ratio of bad developers to normal developers in the world
2018-12-06T00:58:16 < day> dunno. i believe the company we were producing the product for already worked with them and aranged everything so it was kind of a nobrainer
2018-12-06T00:58:36 < day> i identify as an india racist
2018-12-06T00:58:58 < jadew> heh, for me it's not racism... it's just statistics
2018-12-06T00:59:00 < day> it's not my fault, it's theirs :P
2018-12-06T00:59:03 < jadew> I've dealt with lots of indian developers
2018-12-06T00:59:04 < Laurenceb124> >on an online gaming server
2018-12-06T00:59:08 < Laurenceb124> the absolute state
2018-12-06T00:59:29 < day> yeah ive worked with a few of them too. nightmare
2018-12-06T00:59:44 < day> i think scaming is part of their genes
2018-12-06T01:00:30 < Laurenceb124> >nihilistic anarchists who say that civilization was a mistake and we should destroy it
2018-12-06T01:00:40 < Laurenceb124> sides status: orbital
2018-12-06T01:01:14 < jadew> day, for what kind of product did you need that service?
2018-12-06T01:01:40 < Laurenceb124> should I tell bbc news about ##stm32?
2018-12-06T01:01:58 < day> embedded linux device with ethernet port. nothing fancy
2018-12-06T01:02:20 < jadew> code review too?
2018-12-06T01:04:02 < Laurenceb124> next on bbc news: we uncover how depraved individuals from across the globe gather online to insult arduino developers
2018-12-06T01:04:42 < day> don't think so. im not working in R&D so im not sure what exactly was specified. but i believe it was mainly a simple check for obvious security holes on the os level (which services are running yada yada)
2018-12-06T01:05:03 < jadew> so nothing useful :P
2018-12-06T01:05:25 < PeterM> englishman that utility vehicle you linked, 15 min charge time? are they using hobbyking lipos or drill batteries or something? LOL
2018-12-06T01:05:42 < englishman> lol indeed
2018-12-06T01:09:33 < PeterM> their "Founder, Director, Chief Executive Officer" has a face that makes me think he has down syndrome too
2018-12-06T01:14:16 < day> well the whole idea was stupid. we have no way of actually patching these units in the field, and they are never connected to the internet anyways. if they get hacked then it's max like one unit.
2018-12-06T01:14:27 < day> but the customer demands, so the customer gets :P
2018-12-06T01:29:31 < Laurenceb124> akkad of youtuber, popular Popular Youtuber, Sargon of Akkad youtuber of Popular Youtuber, Sargon of Akkad of akkad of akkad, Popular Youtuber, Sargon of Akkad
2018-12-06T01:32:20 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59RpnKCj9pQ 
2018-12-06T01:52:21 < Laurenceb124> spam his vids with that comment, you know you want to
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2018-12-06T03:52:41 < Laurenceb124> https://hannahwitton.com/about/
2018-12-06T03:55:56 < aandrew> so
2018-12-06T03:56:11 < aandrew> if anyone ever was wondering if they could get PCB mount US plug bits and pieces: https://www.heyco.com/Power_Components/product.cfm?product=PCB-Contacts&section=Power_Components
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2018-12-06T03:56:32 < aandrew> NEMA 5-15 or IEC type B, these are the bare metal bits that you can PCB mount directly so your circuit board can plug into the wall
2018-12-06T04:00:55 < Laurenceb124> kek
2018-12-06T04:01:05 < Laurenceb124> US plugs always look so flaky
2018-12-06T04:02:21 < englishman> lol, nice find
2018-12-06T04:02:37 < Laurenceb124> bs1363 ftw
2018-12-06T04:02:54 < englishman> what were you looking for when you found those
2018-12-06T04:04:00 < aandrew> UK plugs always look like melee weapons
2018-12-06T04:04:09 < aandrew> englishman: I was looking for those specifically
2018-12-06T04:04:13 < aandrew> just couldn't fucking find anything
2018-12-06T04:04:26 < aandrew> NEMA 5-15R is the official name, as is IEC type B
2018-12-06T04:04:51 < englishman> isnt it 5-15P
2018-12-06T04:05:00 < aandrew> well P is plug, R is receptacle
2018-12-06T04:05:02 < aandrew> so you're right
2018-12-06T04:07:58 < englishman> tism
2018-12-06T04:08:21 < englishman> im going to swap this one circuit over to 240V but keep all the receptacles
2018-12-06T04:08:28 < englishman> i hope these LED lightbulbs dont explode
2018-12-06T04:08:34 < aandrew> tism?
2018-12-06T04:08:39 < PeterM> aut
2018-12-06T04:08:42 < aandrew> au
2018-12-06T04:08:43 < aandrew> ah
2018-12-06T04:09:10 < PeterM> im patiently waiting for the snap crackle pop of englishmans lightbulbs
2018-12-06T04:09:31 < englishman> everything else on the circuit is 240V compatible
2018-12-06T04:09:35 < englishman> im just not sure about the bulbs
2018-12-06T04:09:40 < Laurenceb124> kek wut http://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/
2018-12-06T04:09:45 < Laurenceb124> its the timecube of plugs
2018-12-06T04:10:21 < englishman> The British 13 Amp plug and socket is considered the safest in the world.
2018-12-06T04:10:23 < englishman> stopped reading
2018-12-06T04:10:35 < Laurenceb124> >The committee entrusted with improving electrical installations included just one woman
2018-12-06T04:10:40 < Laurenceb124> patriarchy at work
2018-12-06T04:10:45 < PeterM> im sure even the bulbs would be fine, at worst they'll be a lot brighter and die sooner imo
2018-12-06T04:11:09 < englishman> with incandescent that might be true, but led, i have no idea
2018-12-06T04:11:12 < PeterM> i sorta agree with them being the safest, hideous but safe
2018-12-06T04:12:06 < PeterM> if they are high dollar lights, they'll probably be multi voltage smps, if they are cheapo shit, they'll be capacitive droppers and will pump more current
2018-12-06T04:12:13 < PeterM> either way im very keen to find out :D
2018-12-06T04:12:39 < englishman> im betting that it's cheaper to sell teh same bulb in us and eu than it is to mfg two bulbs
2018-12-06T04:12:55 < englishman> basically
2018-12-06T04:13:38 < Laurenceb124> need an anarchist meme guy socket covers edit
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2018-12-06T04:14:08 < Laurenceb124> >socket covers are UNREGULATED!!!
2018-12-06T04:15:04 < Laurenceb124> so is USB...
2018-12-06T04:15:24 < PeterM> on super cheap china special bulbs that definitely isnt the case
2018-12-06T04:17:17 < Laurenceb124> uk plug pride world wide, gas the us plugs, plug war now
2018-12-06T04:24:12 < englishman> well if it splodes, i'll take it apart and see which type it was
2018-12-06T04:25:23 < englishman> aphira closed down another 16%
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2018-12-06T04:27:45 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBW34r4JbWA
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2018-12-06T04:28:32 < englishman> $7.3b company
2018-12-06T04:31:15 < sync> huh
2018-12-06T04:32:22 < dongs> englishman: is it actually worth a dl tho
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2018-12-06T04:32:29 < sync> "high tec lighting"
2018-12-06T04:32:30 < dongs> and isnt it like 60gigs
2018-12-06T04:32:36 < englishman> probably not til a few patches are out
2018-12-06T04:32:39 < englishman> and yes 50+gb
2018-12-06T04:32:53 < aandrew> those fucking "tamper resistant" outlets 
2018-12-06T04:32:55 < aandrew> I hate them 
2018-12-06T04:33:10 < aandrew> it's code in ontario (probably canada) so this entire house has them
2018-12-06T04:33:12 < aandrew> fuck I hate them
2018-12-06T04:34:27 < dongs> get some kids and see if tehy can stick forks into them
2018-12-06T04:35:00 < sync> looking at the scan time of his card it is probably some cheap mifare trash
2018-12-06T04:37:14 < englishman> scotiabank estimates legal cannabis will be a $25b/year market at wholesale
2018-12-06T04:37:16 < englishman> nuts
2018-12-06T04:37:30 < Getty> It will be gigantic
2018-12-06T04:37:38 < englishman> they were also bullish on aphira tho
2018-12-06T04:37:39 < dongs> who needs electronics or all that autism
2018-12-06T04:37:39 < englishman> lel
2018-12-06T04:37:41 < dongs> just sell weed
2018-12-06T04:37:56 < dongs> ynm
2018-12-06T04:38:08 < Getty> it is one of the most effective pain killer, i gave my neighbor for a time when he had huge problems
2018-12-06T04:38:16 < Getty> nothing else helped
2018-12-06T04:38:48 < Getty> if that becomes common knowledge and more accepted, the complete medicine market will be twisted around huge ;)
2018-12-06T04:39:12 < Getty> so you dont need to bet on the stoners to see the upcoming dimension of that market
2018-12-06T04:42:01 < jadew> the only reason why I'm against drugs (of any kind - and that includes alcohol) is because it makes people dumber
2018-12-06T04:42:22 < jadew> and dumb people are dangerous to other people
2018-12-06T04:42:53 < Getty> it depends like on everything on the dosage, and weed is not that damaging as people always make it
2018-12-06T04:43:04 < Getty> alcohol is ;)
2018-12-06T04:43:19 < jadew> I've kept hearing this argument for 15 years from various sources
2018-12-06T04:43:37 < Getty> weed is pretty much nothing more as another medicine, it just can be abused if used in higher dosage to get some more effect
2018-12-06T04:43:46 < Getty> its like human catnip
2018-12-06T04:43:53 < jadew> except it's addictive
2018-12-06T04:43:56 < Getty> no
2018-12-06T04:43:58 < Getty> thats not true
2018-12-06T04:44:01 < englishman> yes
2018-12-06T04:44:03 < Getty> no
2018-12-06T04:44:05 < englishman> it also makes you violent
2018-12-06T04:44:08 < Getty> LOL
2018-12-06T04:44:12 < Getty> totally ,)
2018-12-06T04:44:20 < Getty> more like "yeah, let us clear that problem tomorrow" ;)
2018-12-06T04:44:38 < jadew> that's why the guy who was telling me the same thing you did, once he got a job, he had to sneak into the bathroom from time to time to smoke a joint
2018-12-06T04:45:00 < jadew> might not make you violent, but it makes you stupid
2018-12-06T04:45:08 < jadew> (for a brief time)
2018-12-06T04:45:23 < Getty> jadew: there are people doing the same with gummibears
2018-12-06T04:45:49 < Getty> jadew: there are people reacting to specific stimulation with addiction, this person would have been dragged into other "addictions" quick
2018-12-06T04:45:52 < Getty> like video games 
2018-12-06T04:46:03 < englishman> Canada has arrested the chief financial officer of China’s Huawei Technologies, who now faces extradition to the United States
2018-12-06T04:46:04 < englishman> whoa
2018-12-06T04:46:07 < Getty> this is not weed making him addictive, its his mind that making him addictive
2018-12-06T04:46:18 < Getty> there is no physical addictive element in weed
2018-12-06T04:46:20 < jadew> englishman, link?
2018-12-06T04:46:22 < Getty> none, nada
2018-12-06T04:46:41 < Getty> there is more in coffee ;)
2018-12-06T04:46:43 < englishman> https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-canada-has-arrested-huaweis-global-chief-financial-officer-in/
2018-12-06T04:46:44 < Getty> and tea
2018-12-06T04:47:11 < jadew> is that it?
2018-12-06T04:47:25 < jadew> wtf is that? a newspaper that has tweets instead of articles?
2018-12-06T04:47:33 < Getty> newspaper 4.0
2018-12-06T04:47:41 < jadew> ah
2018-12-06T04:47:45 < jadew> please turn off your adblocker
2018-12-06T04:47:49 < Getty> probably smoking weed while making the article ;-)
2018-12-06T04:47:53 < Getty> hehe
2018-12-06T04:48:13 < jadew> englishman, thanks
2018-12-06T04:48:21 < Getty> jadew: btw the non addictive part is actually the reason why its such a good pain medicine
2018-12-06T04:48:32 < Getty> jadew: all the modern medicine pain killer make you addictive... every... single... one
2018-12-06T04:48:50 < Getty> jadew: there is nothing that kills pain without addiction, beside.... cannabis
2018-12-06T04:48:51 < jadew> didn't you say it's entirely non-addictive?
2018-12-06T04:48:58 < Getty> yeah it is
2018-12-06T04:49:00 < Getty> that is the joke
2018-12-06T04:49:05 < Getty> its still not part of modern medicine ;
2018-12-06T04:49:09 < jadew> then why did you say the non-addictive part
2018-12-06T04:49:21 < jadew> _part_
2018-12-06T04:49:23 < Getty> he? i meant that part of weed that it is a non-addictive thing
2018-12-06T04:49:30 < Getty> as a list of the features
2018-12-06T04:49:41 < jadew> so... all of it
2018-12-06T04:49:47 < Getty> yeah it is totally non addictive
2018-12-06T04:49:50 < Getty> you can smoke as much as you want
2018-12-06T04:49:53 < Getty> and your body doesnt care after
2018-12-06T04:50:00 < Getty> guaranteed
2018-12-06T04:50:20 < Getty> _YOU_ personally might care, cause you liked it, but you are not body like addicted, your body will show no effect if you dont use it
2018-12-06T04:50:48 < Getty> many people actually dont like the weed effect, but they do enjoy the no-pain part in their life
2018-12-06T04:50:53 < Getty> especially cancer patient
2018-12-06T04:51:04 < Getty> in germany its btw legalized now for exactly this use case
2018-12-06T04:51:15 < sync> Getty: wat, there are a lot of pain meds that are non addictive
2018-12-06T04:51:23 < Getty> sync: really effective ones?
2018-12-06T04:51:45 < Getty> sync: i am not really aware of one but might be that what you think of is also just not available here
2018-12-06T04:52:37 < Getty> i mean even paracetamol would make you addictive after some time (on lower level but it does have body effects on removal)
2018-12-06T04:53:23 < upgrdman> ##weed32
2018-12-06T04:53:29 < Getty> hehe
2018-12-06T04:53:37 < upgrdman> what has this channel come to. i leave for a couple months, and this happens
2018-12-06T04:54:07 < Getty> as if that didn't happened with other far-off topics before here ;)
2018-12-06T04:54:41 < jadew> so... I take it ms Meng didn't carefully read the export declaration when she bought stuff from the US
2018-12-06T04:55:22 < englishman> were you shanghai'd again upgrdman
2018-12-06T04:56:05 < upgrdman> englishman, i was: shanghai'd, then beijing'd, then shanghai'd, then london'd, then shanghai'd, and in a week i will finally be america'd
2018-12-06T04:56:47 < englishman> good thing you dont have a cat
2018-12-06T04:56:53 < upgrdman> racking up lots of miles
2018-12-06T04:56:54 < dongs> upgrdman: wow nice
2018-12-06T04:56:56 < upgrdman> heh, ya
2018-12-06T04:57:26 < upgrdman> how's your gray kitty doing?
2018-12-06T04:57:34 < upgrdman> yes
2018-12-06T04:57:47 < upgrdman> and got to so some sightseeing when i was in beijing
2018-12-06T04:58:01 < upgrdman> great wall / summer palace / tiananmen square
2018-12-06T05:01:17 < upgrdman> anyone have problems with altium pdf export where some net labels and pin numbers are missing? like on the left side of all ICs, my pin numbers are missing. using ad17
2018-12-06T05:01:29 < upgrdman> downloading ad18.1.9, hopefully it has been fixed
2018-12-06T05:08:30 < upgrdman> what kinda schematic symbols do you guys use for solder bridges?
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2018-12-06T05:10:58 < englishman> upgrdman: https://streamable.com/dpri5
2018-12-06T05:11:53 < upgrdman> englishman, internet too slow. bookmarks. what is it a vid of?
2018-12-06T05:11:58 < upgrdman> *bookmarked
2018-12-06T05:12:02 < englishman> grey cat
2018-12-06T05:12:16 < upgrdman> k. will check out later.
2018-12-06T05:13:13 < upgrdman> anyone here use bluetooth earbuds or headsets? like/hate certain models?
2018-12-06T05:13:33 < englishman> i like whatever is cheapest on amazon
2018-12-06T05:13:37 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/mfIe14c.jpg
2018-12-06T05:13:40 < upgrdman> im tempted to buy the sennheiser hd1_free, or the plantronics 6200 uc
2018-12-06T05:13:42 < englishman> this is the bacon from 1 pig
2018-12-06T05:14:01 < upgrdman> tempted to go with the 6200 uc, because of the long ass battery life. would be nice when flying
2018-12-06T05:14:57 < upgrdman> ya i want good audio quality. the whole "buy nice or buy twice" fuckery
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2018-12-06T05:15:35 < upgrdman> just not sure if the "neckband" style bluetooth headphone would be annoying or not
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2018-12-06T05:34:38 < emeb_mac> gah - what to do with half-dozen boxes of old RF equipment from job I worked 8 yrs ago.
2018-12-06T05:36:44 < upgrdman> make an RF jammer and leave it near some neighbor that you hate?
2018-12-06T05:38:37 < PeterM> emeb_mac give your neighbours cancer? sterilize feral wildlife? annoy the fcc?
2018-12-06T05:39:10 < emeb_mac> heh
2018-12-06T05:39:39 < emeb_mac> Wonder if you could do much damage with 25W @ 2GHz.
2018-12-06T05:39:48 < upgrdman> mmm ya, make a tx that draws pretty pictures on a spectrogram. like those defcon faggots did, etc.
2018-12-06T05:39:58 < upgrdman> s/defcon/dickaday
2018-12-06T05:40:02 < emeb_mac> heh
2018-12-06T05:42:18 < sync> emeb_mac: probably not
2018-12-06T05:43:03 < upgrdman> im guessing it has more to do with how tightly "focused" that 25W of RF is
2018-12-06T05:43:24 < emeb_mac> when I was testing out PAs in that freq range I had some stuff up around 100W - could get a bit of a tingle if I touched the signal path.
2018-12-06T05:45:06 < PeterM> thats probbaly because 100w @ 50ohm is like 70v
2018-12-06T05:46:42 < emeb_mac> yeah - not so much about the frequency
2018-12-06T05:47:17 < PeterM> touching even 48v @ a few 100khz is pretty tingly too
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2018-12-06T06:22:57 < emeb_mac> lol
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2018-12-06T06:23:12 < emeb_mac> cost more than the lulz are worth
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2018-12-06T08:10:09 < upgrdman> hmm. dragging 2d pcb view in altidongs18 seems much faster than in 17.
2018-12-06T08:10:31 < upgrdman> oh, wait, this is a much simpler pcb than i usually dick with. nevermind.
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2018-12-06T08:17:31 < ds2> any suggestions on salvaging a PCB mistakenly made with a ground plane under the antenna (besides lots of sanding)?
2018-12-06T08:18:42 < upgrdman> prop up the antenna?
2018-12-06T08:18:48 < upgrdman> or module if its a pcb antenna
2018-12-06T08:19:38 < upgrdman> like with an hc06 or esp12e or whatever, solver headers onto the pads, so the module is floating ~0.5" above the pcb
2018-12-06T08:19:42 < ds2> module with built in antenna
2018-12-06T08:19:58 < upgrdman> s/solver/solder
2018-12-06T08:20:13 < ds2> module is mounted on there :( just wanted to do a few more tests before the fixed PCB comes in 
2018-12-06T08:29:58 < jpa-> doesn't it work enough for testing?
2018-12-06T08:30:20 < jpa-> perhaps cut off the connection to the built-in antenna, and solder a correct length piece of wire on there
2018-12-06T08:30:37 < upgrdman> ya, just fix it on the next rev, and market that version as "long range"
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2018-12-06T08:37:43 < upgrdman> why did altium redo their GUI in v18
2018-12-06T08:38:05 < upgrdman> just to be new, or was there some big improvement i'm not seeing?
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2018-12-06T08:41:07 < PeterM> if the groundplane isnt an internal layer, you can cut through it with a very sharp knife, and with the same knife pick at the corner until it lifts, then peel it off
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2018-12-06T09:02:58 < Steffanx> N crt
2018-12-06T09:09:38 < Steffanx> Idk
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2018-12-06T09:39:33 < ds2> one thing I want to verify is the soldering... Guess the wire method can work
2018-12-06T09:39:43 < ds2> it is a 2 layer PCB
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2018-12-06T09:58:52 < dongs> holy shit i ran strings on a phone rom i extracted 13 years ago and it had driver filename i need to YMU765, and now im getting hits of some c hina source sites that may actually have that file
2018-12-06T10:06:05 < dongs> fuck yes
2018-12-06T10:06:08 < dongs> got the warez
2018-12-06T10:06:20 < dongs> its for MA3 but should work for MA5
2018-12-06T10:06:23 < dongs> since its same shit mostly
2018-12-06T10:06:44 < dongs> file was: mamachdep.c
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2018-12-06T11:07:46 < dongs> Copyright©2001-2003 YAMAHA Corporation MA-3 Sound Middleware Release Note
2018-12-06T11:08:01 < dongs> CONFIDENTIAL
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2018-12-06T11:14:18 < dongs> #define MA_STATUS_REG		(???)
2018-12-06T11:14:18 < dongs> #define MA_DATA_REG			(???)
2018-12-06T11:14:20 < dongs> ....
2018-12-06T11:14:21 < dongs> wat
2018-12-06T11:14:49 < Haohmaru> so many questions..
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2018-12-06T11:26:13 < dongs> https://4donline.ihs.com/images/VipMasterIC/IC/YAMA/YAMAS00151/YAMAS00151-1.pdf?hkey=EF798316E3902B6ED9A73243A3159BB0 so pages 13+,, how the fuck do i set what is register address im trying to read?
2018-12-06T11:26:18 < dongs> or write
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2018-12-06T11:39:42 < karlp> weird choice of ac_slater to run tasks in their freertos idle hoook.
2018-12-06T11:40:14 < Haohmaru> there's some address setup time
2018-12-06T11:40:54 < Haohmaru> i see write enable and read enable pins, maybe if none of them (or both?) are set, the thing might accept address
2018-12-06T11:42:25 < Haohmaru> there is also some A0 pin/signal
2018-12-06T11:43:06 < dongs> i found code to drive it using fsmc. i think the difference is just whatever makes A0 change 
2018-12-06T11:43:54 < Haohmaru> hm, it looks like the address setup time starts from after you chip-select it, and while you set write enable
2018-12-06T11:44:13 < Haohmaru> then you let go WR and the next bytes are data
2018-12-06T11:45:26 < qyx> iw WR is used as the data write signal, it has to be assertd AFTER the D0-D7 pins are set
2018-12-06T11:45:46 < qyx> I have one powertip lcd with the same interface
2018-12-06T11:45:50 < Haohmaru> oh, duh.. A0 is address signal
2018-12-06T11:45:53 < qyx> it uses only two addresses
2018-12-06T11:46:09 < dongs> so which address is waht tho?
2018-12-06T11:46:11 < qyx> one contains video memory and the second one a "command interpreter"
2018-12-06T11:46:42 < dongs> the middleware has data and status regf
2018-12-06T11:46:44 < dongs> so thats it?
2018-12-06T11:47:06 < qyx> and the first byte of the message sent to the "command address" is interpreted like 01xxxxxx is reg read, x=addr
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2018-12-06T12:08:36 < dongs> k A0 is same thing as RS pin 
2018-12-06T12:09:05 < dongs> basically switch between command/data
2018-12-06T12:22:49 < Haohmaru> yiz
2018-12-06T12:39:25 < day> lul apparently our indian dev delivers questionable work. who would have thought :D
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2018-12-06T12:49:51 < Steffanx> Poor day
2018-12-06T12:50:32 < PaulFertser> More details needed for lulz
2018-12-06T12:50:58 < Haohmaru> lulz incomplete
2018-12-06T12:51:33 < Haohmaru> unresolved reference to details
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2018-12-06T12:58:59 < Steffanx> Happy thursday Haohmaru.
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2018-12-06T13:00:10 < jadew> day, are you sure it's a single guy?
2018-12-06T13:00:30 < Steffanx> Guy?
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2018-12-06T13:01:05 < jadew> guy/lady programmer?
2018-12-06T13:02:06 < jadew> point is, back where I used to work, we had an indian dev hired for a year or two but we were never sure if he's a single guy or a team
2018-12-06T13:02:27 < jadew> his english was bad enough that we couldn't find a personality in there
2018-12-06T13:02:39 < jadew> (we only talked through IM)
2018-12-06T13:02:46 < Haohmaru> you should CTRL+F HARDER
2018-12-06T13:03:20 < day> jadew: yeah he is sitting in the room next to me :P
2018-12-06T13:03:30 < jadew> eventually nobody used him for anything and I think he remained hired for like 8 months without doing anything, because everyone forgot about him
2018-12-06T13:04:53 < day> jadew: ive heard of those stories as well. Pretty ridiculous.
2018-12-06T13:07:30 < day> i wonder if they try to get hired by multiple companies at the same time, knowing they wont stay for long anyways but get multiple paychecks at the same time while it works :X
2018-12-06T13:08:00 < jadew> I think that's the scheme
2018-12-06T13:08:17 < jadew> and I think they are teams of multiple shitty developers
2018-12-06T13:08:56 < jadew> so you don't even get the benefit of teaching him something and then benefitting from that on the next assignment
2018-12-06T13:09:31 < day> scamnation >.>
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2018-12-06T14:37:07 < dongs> fuck F4 flash erase time is ridiculous
2018-12-06T14:37:15 < dongs> like 10 seconds
2018-12-06T14:38:37 < Haohmaru> wowz
2018-12-06T14:38:54 < Haohmaru> no charge p0mp?
2018-12-06T14:40:15 < karlp> at least it can write to flash fast...
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2018-12-06T14:42:47 < dongs> not THAT fast really
2018-12-06T14:43:01 < dongs> faggotmel flash is waaay faster :(
2018-12-06T14:45:37 < karlp> well, f4 flash write is like microseconds,
2018-12-06T14:45:41 < karlp> l1 flash write is milliseconds
2018-12-06T14:45:50 < dongs> i always confuse which one of those is fsater
2018-12-06T14:45:53 < dongs> mille or micro?
2018-12-06T14:46:05 < dongs> which one is ms vs us
2018-12-06T14:46:10 < karlp> micro is us
2018-12-06T14:46:10 < dongs> milli = ms?
2018-12-06T14:46:13 < karlp> milli is ms
2018-12-06T14:46:16 < dongs> ok, so thats faster
2018-12-06T14:46:19 < dongs> (micro
2018-12-06T14:48:39 < Getty> <facepalm> just had ordered some raspberry enclosure of amazon, cause it was like 5 cent cheaper than on RS Components and I anyway ordered there earlier... opening amazon package: enclosure is inside RS Components package
2018-12-06T14:49:00 < dongs> lols
2018-12-06T14:49:20 < dongs> so now tyou have 2 shitty rageberry cases?
2018-12-06T14:49:44 < dongs> what the hell period/pulse settings do I need to do on TIMx to get 50% duty pwm
2018-12-06T14:50:15 < dongs> nvm got it
2018-12-06T14:50:25 < Getty> dongs: no more like that amazon is selling the RS components enclosure for 5 cent cheaper than RS components does ;)
2018-12-06T14:50:35 < Getty> and its not THAT shitty ;)
2018-12-06T14:52:12 < aandrew> dongs: you set your period to x and your pulse to 0.5 x
2018-12-06T14:52:41 < aandrew> in my project I just put the PWMing int he FPGA and it's 10x better (but that's because I'm doing weird interactions between them)
2018-12-06T14:55:06 < aandrew> ugh
2018-12-06T14:55:22 < aandrew> went on freecancer for something last week and now I'm getting stupid "these jobs might be good for you" bs
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2018-12-06T15:05:13 < Haohmaru> leefrancer?
2018-12-06T15:06:10 < dongs> wtf
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2018-12-06T15:09:57 < dongs> how do  i make 14.31818 from TIm1
2018-12-06T15:10:00 < dongs> MHzx
2018-12-06T15:16:18 < zyp> by picking a crystal with a multiple of it, and dividing as appropriate
2018-12-06T15:17:11 < dongs> cant do that
2018-12-06T15:17:22 < zyp> then that's your answer
2018-12-06T15:17:39 < dongs> can't i fuck around wiht some combination of prescaler + period to achieve it?
2018-12-06T15:17:43 < zyp> no
2018-12-06T15:17:53 < zyp> what's the input clock to the timer?
2018-12-06T15:20:43 < zyp> ah, you want 315/22
2018-12-06T15:20:57 < dongs> timer = 168/2 i guess
2018-12-06T15:21:01 < dongs> its F407 disco
2018-12-06T15:21:06 < dongs> and T Im1 is at 84mhz
2018-12-06T15:21:20 < zyp> are you using usb?
2018-12-06T15:21:26 < dongs> nope
2018-12-06T15:21:43 < zyp> then you can reconfigure pll
2018-12-06T15:22:04 < zyp> set N to 315 to give you 157.5 MHz sysclock
2018-12-06T15:22:37 < zyp> timers on the 84MHz bus runs at 2x busclock, right?
2018-12-06T15:22:57 < zyp> so use one of those so timer also get fed 157.5, then set it to divide by 11
2018-12-06T15:23:08 < dongs> no, perscaler 0 = timer is at 84
2018-12-06T15:23:15 < dongs> should i pick a timer on different apb then?
2018-12-06T15:23:20 < zyp> maybe
2018-12-06T15:23:27 < zyp> hmm
2018-12-06T15:23:42 < zyp> alternatively you might be able to do this with MCO, let me reference the datasheet
2018-12-06T15:24:04 < zyp> in that case maybe you can use plli2s so you don't have to fuck with sysclk
2018-12-06T15:24:55 < dongs> i only see mco be able to divide by /5 max
2018-12-06T15:25:01 < dongs> i dont care bout sysclk jsut to test it out tho
2018-12-06T15:25:08 < zyp> hang on
2018-12-06T15:27:42 < zyp> okay, PLLI2S runs from the same input as the normal PLL, i.e. after M
2018-12-06T15:28:09 < zyp> I hope you have that configured to feed 1 MHz into the PLL
2018-12-06T15:29:24 < dongs> no i dont have plli2s setup at all
2018-12-06T15:29:38 < zyp> it's common for sysclk pll
2018-12-06T15:29:53 < zyp> hmm
2018-12-06T15:29:58 < zyp> this might not work after all
2018-12-06T15:31:33 < englishman> why cant you put a $0.30 xtal on your devboard
2018-12-06T15:31:43 < dongs> autism
2018-12-06T15:31:51 < englishman> autism is an enabler tho
2018-12-06T15:32:00 < dongs> hmm 407 datasheet says TIM resolution is 168 max
2018-12-06T15:32:09 < dongs> for APB2 domain
2018-12-06T15:32:15 < dongs> why the fuck this shit is only 84
2018-12-06T15:33:43 < zyp> fucking R-divisor only does up to /7
2018-12-06T15:35:40 < zyp> whatever, just set sysclk to 315/2 then and use a timer to divide by 11
2018-12-06T15:35:52 < dongs> right thats what im trying to do
2018-12-06T15:35:59 < dongs> but i cant get TIm1 to run > 84mhz
2018-12-06T15:36:03 < dongs> it gets halved
2018-12-06T15:36:18 < dongs> its on APB2
2018-12-06T15:36:26 < dongs> datasheet says those timers run at 168max
2018-12-06T15:36:29 < dongs> so wtf
2018-12-06T15:37:13 < dongs> APB2 clock = PCLK2?
2018-12-06T15:37:27 < dongs> yeah it is
2018-12-06T15:38:08 < dongs> PCLK2_Frequency = 78750000
2018-12-06T15:38:35 < dongs> if I undertand the clock tree
2018-12-06T15:38:48 < dongs> APBx PRESC is anything but 1
2018-12-06T15:38:54 < dongs> APBx timer clocks get doubled
2018-12-06T15:39:15 < dongs> When TIMPRE bit in the RCC_DCKCFGR register is set, if APBx prescaler is 1,2 or 4, then TIMxCLK = HCLK, otherwise
2018-12-06T15:39:18 < dongs> TIMxCLK = 4x PCLKx
2018-12-06T15:40:50 < dongs> hmm thats not 407
2018-12-06T15:40:54 < dongs> 427 only
2018-12-06T15:41:02 < englishman> timecube says 407
2018-12-06T15:42:25 < englishman> oh
2018-12-06T15:42:31 < englishman> no timx are 2x pclk
2018-12-06T15:42:45 < dongs> ?
2018-12-06T15:42:48 < englishman> both apbs
2018-12-06T15:43:02 < dongs> yes, timx runs at 2x pclk, right?
2018-12-06T15:43:05 < englishman> yea
2018-12-06T15:43:09 < dongs> its not tho
2018-12-06T15:43:47 < zyp> are you sure you're not just fucking up what you're doing with the timer?
2018-12-06T15:44:01 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/iWdK9Ez.png
2018-12-06T15:44:01 < dongs> yeah
2018-12-06T15:44:04 < dongs> i mean what can i fuck up
2018-12-06T15:44:06 < dongs> prescale = 0
2018-12-06T15:44:09 < dongs> period = 1
2018-12-06T15:44:11 < dongs> pulse = 1
2018-12-06T15:44:22 < dongs> it makes a 84 (well, like 79-someshit now) square wave
2018-12-06T15:44:28 < zyp> well, duh
2018-12-06T15:44:34 < zyp> you made a division by two
2018-12-06T15:44:44 < dongs> where?
2018-12-06T15:44:51 < zyp> period = 1
2018-12-06T15:45:02 < dongs> um then how else would i do it
2018-12-06T15:45:08 < dongs> if period = 0 there's no pulse
2018-12-06T15:45:12 < zyp> doesn't matter, set period = 10
2018-12-06T15:45:28 < zyp> and channel to 5 or something
2018-12-06T15:45:30 < dongs> not use PWM mode?
2018-12-06T15:45:34 < englishman> 168mhz clock means max 84mhz squarewave
2018-12-06T15:45:42 < zyp> yes
2018-12-06T15:45:56 < zyp> period = 1 divides by 2, period = 10 divides by 11
2018-12-06T15:46:01 < zyp> you want the latter
2018-12-06T15:46:34 < dongs> right
2018-12-06T15:46:37 < dongs> bingo, have clock
2018-12-06T15:46:44 < zyp> also with that setup you can't get exactly 50% duty, closest you get is 5/11 or 6/11
2018-12-06T15:47:54 < englishman> isnt that a ntsc frequency? why do you need it for audio?
2018-12-06T15:48:33 < dongs> pll settings for that shit are configured for it
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2018-12-06T15:56:21 < englishman> $399 to livestream ivan reedman
2018-12-06T15:56:50 < dongs> is that now?
2018-12-06T15:57:33 < dongs> https://twitter.com/wicusross/status/1070649110359932928
2018-12-06T16:03:15 < englishman> will phil reply
2018-12-06T16:04:17 < dongs> donno
2018-12-06T16:04:19 < dongs> probly not
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2018-12-06T16:41:14 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMMJ2Dgkrm0
2018-12-06T16:46:39 < Laurenceb> any Qt users here?
2018-12-06T16:46:51 < Laurenceb> I need to write to stdin of a QProcess
2018-12-06T16:47:10 < Laurenceb> I'm using write but the data never arrives
2018-12-06T16:56:20 < PaulFertser> Do you flush?
2018-12-06T17:00:57 < Haohmaru> >:)
2018-12-06T17:01:02 < Laurenceb> prob not
2018-12-06T17:01:33 < Laurenceb> Qt docs say to use closeWriteChannel() to flush, but then I cant write more data
2018-12-06T17:01:35 < Laurenceb> wtf
2018-12-06T17:01:40 < day> englishman: i didnt even know the guy. all i can find about him is being a blantant scammer. why the heck are people paying to see him? o.o
2018-12-06T17:05:47 < Laurenceb> arg wtf Qt
2018-12-06T17:05:51 < Laurenceb> no coherent docs
2018-12-06T17:06:32 < Laurenceb> yeah looks like write is my issue, I can "fix" it with breakpoints
2018-12-06T17:11:04 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: "What do you think of these bands that deny metal?" a Brazilian interviewer asks DeMaio. "They're assholes, they're just pieces of shit," he answers. "They belong in the toilet. Shit goes in the toilet. Flush them."
2018-12-06T17:16:26 < zyp> Laurenceb, have you tried passing Unbuffered to the mode argument of start()?
2018-12-06T17:19:41 < Laurenceb> zyp: yes
2018-12-06T17:20:38 < zyp> along with ReadWrite, of course?
2018-12-06T17:20:44 < Laurenceb> yes
2018-12-06T17:20:49 < zyp> hmm, ok
2018-12-06T17:20:57 < Laurenceb> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22570102/how-to-use-qprocess-write-correctly
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2018-12-06T17:22:48 < Laurenceb> hmm maybe not the same issue as i have
2018-12-06T17:29:35 < Laurenceb> aha fixed it
2018-12-06T17:29:51 < Laurenceb> I was using std.eof() to check for no more data
2018-12-06T17:30:05 < Laurenceb> that requires the other end to close
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2018-12-06T17:39:03 < englishman> day: 1600eur to see him
2018-12-06T17:40:02 < day> but why. this guy appears to be trash in every regard o.0
2018-12-06T17:40:41 < jadew> see who?
2018-12-06T17:41:00 < day> ivan reedman
2018-12-06T17:41:13 < jadew> ah, the zano scammer
2018-12-06T17:41:14 < englishman> @ToyM4ker really enjoyed that Sir. You made me feel incredibly stupid and showed more gaps in my knowledge that I need to rectify. Thank you, kicks up the arse like this helps. Stellar research
2018-12-06T17:41:18 < day> yeah.
2018-12-06T17:42:02 < day> is the event tech related on which he speaks?
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2018-12-06T17:42:12 < englishman> black hat?
2018-12-06T17:42:14 < englishman> a little
2018-12-06T17:42:38 < day> what is he doing there. wtf.
2018-12-06T17:42:53 < jadew> money
2018-12-06T17:43:14 < day> maybe the rooms going to be empty
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2018-12-06T17:43:35 < day> i cant imagine people paying for him. i mean you wont learn anything tech related from him 
2018-12-06T17:43:50 < kakimir> Laurenceb: how to become DSP pro?
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2018-12-06T17:43:58 < englishman> 1600eur for arduino fault injection talk
2018-12-06T17:44:15 < englishman> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtvM6lpW0AAqN_C.jpg
2018-12-06T17:44:44 < kakimir> independence day today
2018-12-06T17:45:02 < day> i wish...
2018-12-06T17:46:10 < englishman> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtutXBxWwAAXQf_.jpg
2018-12-06T17:46:17 < englishman> emmc dump
2018-12-06T17:46:20 < englishman> omg innovation
2018-12-06T17:46:22 < englishman> 1600eur
2018-12-06T17:46:38 < englishman> lol @ sdcard adapter
2018-12-06T17:46:42 < englishman> dongs: 
2018-12-06T17:47:01 < kakimir> pen testers
2018-12-06T17:48:23 < kakimir> Laurenceb: http://firstmicroprocessor.com/ the first micro processor chipset, 1st DSP application on microprocessor, 1st aviation microprocessor etc.
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2018-12-06T17:48:38 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-12-06T17:48:47 < englishman> ivan isnt even giving the talk
2018-12-06T17:49:23 < kakimir> Laurenceb: look thru that slideshow it's really impressive what dem did then
2018-12-06T17:49:41 < Laurenceb> thats actually quite good specs
2018-12-06T17:50:04 < kakimir> it was able to do 20x20 divisions and multiplications like 9000/second
2018-12-06T17:51:09 < kakimir> they had paraller processing and execution pipeline too
2018-12-06T17:51:20 < kakimir> they went all in
2018-12-06T17:51:50 < Laurenceb> wew someone made a shitdar sat
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2018-12-06T17:52:02 < Laurenceb> https://postimg.cc/nj67kwsq
2018-12-06T17:52:06 < Laurenceb> the memes are real
2018-12-06T17:52:22 < Laurenceb> kek @ northern Italy
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2018-12-06T17:54:35 < kakimir> Laurenceb: what is that?
2018-12-06T17:54:47 < Laurenceb> map of total poo
2018-12-06T17:54:47 < Steffanx> Its a map
2018-12-06T17:54:54 < Steffanx> With red spots
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2018-12-06T17:55:03 < Steffanx> Cant you read maps kakimir?
2018-12-06T17:55:26 < kakimir> map of poop kilograms per second?
2018-12-06T17:55:29 < Steffanx> Dont you understand the physics symbol kg
2018-12-06T17:55:44 < mawk> what's in kg/s
2018-12-06T17:56:18 < Laurenceb> rate of shitting
2018-12-06T17:56:51 < mawk> average per person per pooping session ?
2018-12-06T17:56:59 < mawk> or constant average
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2018-12-06T18:00:18 < Steffanx> Do you see the reference to our "conversation" yesterday, kakimir? :P
2018-12-06T18:01:12 < day> englishman: he's probably doing the money collection on the door. the surprise is going to be that theres noone doing a talk :P
2018-12-06T18:01:12 < Laurenceb> kekking https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=yi8_1544108880
2018-12-06T18:01:27 < day> englishman: which is the lesson
2018-12-06T18:01:46 < englishman> thats waht i would expect from a conference called "black hat"
2018-12-06T18:02:04 < day> how to crowdscam
2018-12-06T18:02:05 < Laurenceb> shit hat
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2018-12-06T18:05:49 < jadew> did bush die?
2018-12-06T18:07:28 < jadew> ah, bush senior
2018-12-06T18:11:35 < Steffanx> Lol
2018-12-06T18:11:44 < Steffanx> Good morning
2018-12-06T18:14:11 < jadew> morning
2018-12-06T18:21:15 < Laurenceb> inb4 WTC7
2018-12-06T18:21:40 < Ecco> Hi :)
2018-12-06T18:21:45 < Ecco> I'm running into this very weird bug
2018-12-06T18:21:56 < Ecco> External SQPI flash
2018-12-06T18:22:01 < Ecco> reading works really well
2018-12-06T18:23:30 < Ecco> tried sequential access as well as random access
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2018-12-06T18:25:14 < Ecco> different sizes (8, 16, 32 bits)
2018-12-06T18:25:17 < Ecco> aligned or not
2018-12-06T18:27:00 < Ecco> everything works great
2018-12-06T18:27:17 < Ecco> (i.e. I wrote something in Flash, and I read back what I wrote, no matter how I read it)
2018-12-06T18:27:20 < Ecco> so far, so good
2018-12-06T18:27:28 < Ecco> reading is made in memory-mapped mode
2018-12-06T18:27:31 < Ecco> now
2018-12-06T18:27:37 < Ecco> if I write some code in that external flash
2018-12-06T18:27:39 < Ecco> and jump to it
2018-12-06T18:27:44 < Ecco> after a few instructions
2018-12-06T18:27:48 < Ecco> it crashes
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2018-12-06T18:28:09 < Ecco> and if I read the offending instruction in GDB
2018-12-06T18:28:23 < Ecco> I get random garbage (i.e. the instruction doesn't match what I wrote in the Flash)
2018-12-06T18:29:46 < Ecco> Would you guys have any idea why this is happening?
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2018-12-06T18:35:11 < jpa-> Ecco: how do you write there? i assume not in memory mapped mode because that only supports reading?
2018-12-06T18:35:21 < jpa-> Ecco: maybe you need to flush some caches?
2018-12-06T18:35:57 < Ecco> I write by crafting my own SQPI commands
2018-12-06T18:36:11 < Ecco> caches are probably out of the way since the STM32 has been rebooted several times
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2018-12-06T18:36:15 < Ecco> I mean:
2018-12-06T18:36:28 < Ecco> 1 - Flash some code on STM32 that writes on external QSPI flash
2018-12-06T18:36:31 < Ecco> 2 - run it
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2018-12-06T18:36:47 < Ecco> 3 - Flash a new code on STM32 that setups external QSPI flash as memory-mapped and jumps to it
2018-12-06T18:36:50 < Ecco> 3 - Run it
2018-12-06T18:36:54 < mawk> how do you write exactly ?
2018-12-06T18:37:05 < mawk> you erase first right ?
2018-12-06T18:37:23 < jpa-> Ecco: so the code in 1) also does some kind of read back and verify?
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2018-12-06T18:45:45 < PaulFertser> Ecco: btw, there's a pending patch on gerrit to flash qspi.
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2018-12-06T18:55:15 < Ecco> PaulFertser: For openocd I assum? Interesting
2018-12-06T18:55:21 < Ecco> jpa-: yes
2018-12-06T18:55:28 < Ecco> it does this:
2018-12-06T18:55:30 < Ecco> 1/ Write
2018-12-06T18:55:45 < Ecco> 2/ Read back and check, using 8 bit reads, 16-bits reads, 32-bits reads
2018-12-06T18:55:53 < Ecco> aligned and unaligned
2018-12-06T18:55:57 < Ecco> sequential and random
2018-12-06T18:56:02 < Ecco> all those reads work well
2018-12-06T18:56:41 < Ecco> PaulFertser: Any pointer to this? Could be very useful :)
2018-12-06T18:56:56 < Ecco> Anyway, I really think the data is proprely written
2018-12-06T18:57:19 < Ecco> example: before executing the code at 0x90000EB8
2018-12-06T18:57:26 < Ecco> In gdb I do "x/i 0x90000EB8"
2018-12-06T18:57:32 < Ecco> proprer disassembly is shown
2018-12-06T18:57:40 < Ecco> yet, after running 16 instructions
2018-12-06T18:57:59 < Ecco> running that same "x/i 0x090000EB8" show garbage
2018-12-06T18:58:23 < PaulFertser> Ecco: http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/3918/
2018-12-06T18:58:24 < karlp> could just be bad poitners trampling things
2018-12-06T18:59:00 < karlp> PaulFertser: that's only helpful for factory time stuff though.
2018-12-06T18:59:20 < PaulFertser> Ecco: and http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/4152
2018-12-06T18:59:45 < Ecco> Interesting, thanks!
2018-12-06T19:00:22 < PaulFertser> Probably http://openocd.zylin.com/4760 is the latest and greatest
2018-12-06T19:00:57 < PaulFertser> And 4321 for the interface you're using
2018-12-06T19:01:38 < PaulFertser> Ecco: please check 4321
2018-12-06T19:01:43 < Ecco> indeed
2018-12-06T19:02:02 < karlp> I wonder why andreas wrote it all in asm rather than just c?
2018-12-06T19:05:01 < emeb> 64Mb QSPI PSRAM in 8-pin SOIC for $0.70/qty10 -> https://lcsc.com/search?q=LY68L6400
2018-12-06T19:05:14 < Ecco> wow that's cheap
2018-12-06T19:05:24 < emeb> yep
2018-12-06T19:07:06 < Ecco> what's PSRAM though?
2018-12-06T19:07:16 < emeb> DRAM w/ self refresh
2018-12-06T19:07:20 < Ecco> oh ok
2018-12-06T19:07:42 < Ecco> so I assume it draws some more power than regular SRAM?
2018-12-06T19:08:16 < emeb> doubt it - DRAM is usually lower power than equivalent SRAM - fewer transistors per bit.
2018-12-06T19:08:27 < emeb> but extra interface logic bumps it up a bit.
2018-12-06T19:08:44 < emeb> but I doubt you'd find 8MB of SRAM is particularly low power.
2018-12-06T19:09:17 < Ecco> I always assumed SRAM was using a lot less power than DRAM
2018-12-06T19:09:22 < Ecco> isn't that precisely the point of SRAM?
2018-12-06T19:09:26 < emeb> no
2018-12-06T19:09:44 < emeb> the point of SRAM is that it's fast access and no refresh required.
2018-12-06T19:09:47 < jpa-> Ecco: to troubleshoot, i'd disable caches anyway just to see if they have anything to do with it; also if you have any breakpoints set in the QSPI memory, try without them
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2018-12-06T19:10:02 < Ecco> jpa-: ok, will do
2018-12-06T19:10:26 < Ecco> emeb: but doesn't the refresh eat a significant amount of power?
2018-12-06T19:11:02 < jpa-> not necessarily
2018-12-06T19:11:14 < Ecco> oh, ok
2018-12-06T19:11:21 < Ecco> so why is it a bad thing then?
2018-12-06T19:11:36 < jpa-> DRAM is slower to access
2018-12-06T19:11:40 < emeb> DRAM support logic (including refresh) does use power, but the density of DRAM is much higher than SRAM (smaller bit cells)
2018-12-06T19:11:47 < Ecco> oh
2018-12-06T19:11:50 < Ecco> ok
2018-12-06T19:11:53 < emeb> so overall the power/bit of DRAM is lower.
2018-12-06T19:11:59 < Ecco> hmm, I see
2018-12-06T19:12:04 < jpa-> and tiny SRAM is lower power than tiny DRAM, because the refresh circuit takes approximately the same amount of power no matter the size of the ram
2018-12-06T19:12:13 < Ecco> oh, I see
2018-12-06T19:12:33 < jpa-> probably why you don't see many 16kB DRAM chips anymore :P
2018-12-06T19:12:54 < Ecco> I thought the refresh circuit was the reason my phone couldn't stay in "sleep/airplane" mode for too long before actually dying
2018-12-06T19:13:37 < jpa-> Ecco: it is probably part of it, but the power usage of 1GB+ of SRAM would be pretty high also
2018-12-06T19:13:47 < Ecco> oh, I see
2018-12-06T19:13:49 < Ecco> It makes sense
2018-12-06T19:14:23 < jpa-> (1µA seems pretty typical for 128kB; so ~10mA for 1GB)
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2018-12-06T19:21:04 < Ecco> interesting, thanks!
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2018-12-06T19:38:53 < Laurenceb> is there any way to find the number of bytes in std::cin  ?
2018-12-06T19:39:18 < emeb> ewwww - C++
2018-12-06T19:39:22 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-12-06T19:39:27 < Laurenceb> Qt dude
2018-12-06T19:41:15 < jadew> Laurenceb, try with seek() and tell()
2018-12-06T19:41:22 < Laurenceb> aha thanks
2018-12-06T19:42:00 < jadew> seekg() and tellg() I think
2018-12-06T19:42:11 < jadew> seekg(0, SEEK_END) - should put you at the end
2018-12-06T19:42:49 < jadew> np
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2018-12-06T19:44:17 < Laurenceb> tfw https://files.catbox.moe/disf38.jpeg
2018-12-06T19:44:52 < Laurenceb> ywlts michael jackson in bizarro world
2018-12-06T19:48:32 < mawk> what are you talking about Laurenceb 
2018-12-06T19:48:35 < mawk> you can't know in advance
2018-12-06T19:48:43 < mawk> at best you can have a lower bound by querying the buffer but that's all
2018-12-06T19:48:51 < Laurenceb> mawk: you can know if there is enough data to read yet
2018-12-06T19:48:57 < Laurenceb> yeah thats all I want
2018-12-06T19:49:02 < mawk> probably, but dependant on the underlying file
2018-12-06T19:49:05 < mawk> and C++ won't tell you
2018-12-06T19:49:14 < mawk> with a pipe you have some ioctls to tell you the kernel's buffer size
2018-12-06T19:49:21 < mawk> same with some sockets, tcp and udp
2018-12-06T19:49:30 < Laurenceb> hmm I'll see if it works
2018-12-06T19:49:42 < Laurenceb> otherwise I can just impliment my own secondary buffer
2018-12-06T19:49:44 < mawk> but the C++ buffer is just getting "randomly" filled when you read, it's not a very meaningful value
2018-12-06T19:50:05 < Laurenceb> I need to sync to binary data packets, so need to read 1 packet at a time
2018-12-06T19:50:19 < mawk> I'd just buffer it myself yeah
2018-12-06T19:50:44 < Laurenceb> atm I read until state machine decoder finds a header and knows the payload length
2018-12-06T19:50:51 < mawk> yes
2018-12-06T19:50:56 < Laurenceb> then I need to know the full payload is readable
2018-12-06T19:51:05 < Laurenceb> before trying to read
2018-12-06T19:51:14 < mawk> the problem with that is that it's blocking if the data isn't very structured
2018-12-06T19:51:24 < mawk> I'd just use the low-level API for this
2018-12-06T19:51:47 < mawk> like if you have a 8 bytes header at the beggining of every single message that tells the size after the header then it's fine, you read 8 bytes, you read N bytes
2018-12-06T19:52:08 < mawk> but if you don't have a header you can't read infinity bytes, the call will block until the underlying stdin file descriptor is closed by the other party
2018-12-06T19:52:13 < mawk> or if it's a file until EOF
2018-12-06T19:52:50 < Laurenceb> yeah I tried using eof but that failed
2018-12-06T19:52:59 < Laurenceb> as it waitied until the pipe had been closed
2018-12-06T19:53:04 < mawk> indeed
2018-12-06T19:53:20 < Laurenceb> I'll try seekg and if that fails write my own secondary buffer as part of the state machine
2018-12-06T19:53:25 < mawk> you can arrange to get a notification as soon as there is data to read, read it all in your own buffer, and peacefully scan it yourself between two notifications
2018-12-06T19:53:46 < mawk> so for that you put the underlying fd in nonblocking mode, then you use select, poll or epoll to get notification when data is available
2018-12-06T19:54:13 < mawk> when you get a data available notification you read it all, thanks to non-blocking mode you will just empty the kernel buffer without blocking, you buffer that, you can scan for your pattern
2018-12-06T19:54:23 < mawk> but I'd just drop the STL API for that and use the syscalls
2018-12-06T19:54:52 < mawk> you have a more or less legacy method where you get a signal delivered to your process in case of data available, but making it reliable is pretty hard
2018-12-06T19:54:56 < mawk> I'd just go with the event loop method
2018-12-06T19:55:43 < mawk> for added bonus you can watch many things in the event loop, not just sockets/pipes, but also timers, watch for signals (including SIGCHLD which means watching for child process termination), watch for lightweight IPC events using an eventfd, also more exotic things like watching for page faults or watching for OOM conditions
2018-12-06T19:56:12 < mawk> if C++ had coroutines you could even code like everything was blocking and the underlying event loop takes care of the rest
2018-12-06T19:56:28 < mawk> but unfortunately you'll have to do a giant switch-case or use some callbacks of your own fabrication
2018-12-06T19:59:30 < mawk> you have portability requirements Laurenceb ?
2018-12-06T19:59:35 < mawk> or you're just on linux
2018-12-06T19:59:58 < mawk> if you need portability you can go with the terrible select syscall, then go with epoll
2018-12-06T20:00:16 < mawk> you create a epoll descriptor, you add all your files to it, then you do a for (;;) loop asking for new events from epoll
2018-12-06T20:00:23 < mawk> then you browse the events, and loop again
2018-12-06T20:01:00 < mawk> events could be data ready to read, ready to be written, error on file, other party died, other party gracefully closed connection, urgent data available, etv
2018-12-06T20:01:01 < mawk> etc*
2018-12-06T20:03:03 < mawk> if you have a single socket/pipe from which you're reading you can do some dirty hacks to get all this without using select/poll, but it doesn't scale
2018-12-06T20:03:24 < mawk> I'd just read 1 byte in PEEK mode to know when data is available, then get the data size with PEEK|TRUNC, read that size, process it, loop
2018-12-06T20:03:41 < mawk> you're never blocked waiting for an amount of data that could never come
2018-12-06T20:03:54 < mawk> also the naive way could be just read()ing 1 byte at a time but please don't do that
2018-12-06T20:05:13 < mawk> you have variants of that hack: blocking mode, read 1 byte, nonblocking mode, read infinity byte, concat two reads, process, loop
2018-12-06T20:05:27 < mawk> but still doesn't scale, select/poll/epoll is just superior
2018-12-06T20:05:28 < Laurenceb> wew scrollback
2018-12-06T20:05:32 < mawk> lol
2018-12-06T20:05:33 < Laurenceb> yeah ideally portability
2018-12-06T20:05:40 < Laurenceb> ok tellg always returns 0
2018-12-06T20:05:46 < Laurenceb> so that code is broken
2018-12-06T20:05:49 < mawk> select is the portable one, but happens to be the one with a very crappy interface
2018-12-06T20:05:56 < mawk> it can return 0 if the C++ buffer is empty
2018-12-06T20:06:13 < mawk> and the C++ buffer isn't tied to the underlying kernel buffer
2018-12-06T20:06:19 < Laurenceb> arg
2018-12-06T20:06:30 < mawk> you just have a lower bound
2018-12-06T20:06:34 < PaulFertser> mawk: what's your opinion about Boost::ASIO support for std::future ?
2018-12-06T20:06:38 < Laurenceb> ok I'll write my own buffer to go on top of it
2018-12-06T20:08:12 < mawk> I'm not using boost very often PaulFertser , but I guess without proper coroutine support it'll stay a lot of boilerplate
2018-12-06T20:09:16 < PaulFertser> mawk: if you can't afford having a dedicated thread per stream ASIO offers fake coroutines, yes.
2018-12-06T20:09:28 < mawk> I mean with language support
2018-12-06T20:09:53 < mawk> in the syntax itself, not using some lambda functions around everything
2018-12-06T20:09:58 < PaulFertser> An example for the curious: https://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_68_0/doc/html/boost_asio/example/cpp11/futures/daytime_client.cpp
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2018-12-06T20:10:36 < PaulFertser> When threading is cheap, probably it's ok to use real threads instead of coroutines?
2018-12-06T20:11:11 < mawk> I've not benchmarked this, but my opinion would probably be that it's by mixing the two that you'll achieve the higest perfs
2018-12-06T20:11:29 < mawk> have a thread pool to spread across your number of cores, then use coroutines inside each
2018-12-06T20:11:46 < mawk> everything you do is I/O bound, so using your own lightweight scheduling makes some sense
2018-12-06T20:14:37 < PaulFertser> Fake coroutines: https://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_68_0/doc/html/boost_asio/example/cpp03/http/server4/server.cpp
2018-12-06T20:14:51 < PaulFertser> Doesn't seem to be too ugly by C++ standards.
2018-12-06T20:21:43 < jadew> Laurenceb, I just tested the seek/tell thing and I get random results, based on how the buffer gets filled
2018-12-06T20:22:00 < jadew> seems to work ok if I cat a small file and pipe it to it, but it doesn't work with larger ones
2018-12-06T20:22:04 < Laurenceb> with seekg and tellg on lunix?
2018-12-06T20:22:09 < jadew> ah, on windows
2018-12-06T20:22:13 < Laurenceb> heh
2018-12-06T20:22:14 < jadew> not sure about linux
2018-12-06T20:22:21 < Laurenceb> lunix strikes again
2018-12-06T20:23:03 < jadew> if it's an incoming stream, you should do like it was discussed above anyway
2018-12-06T20:23:40 < jadew> the way I normally do these things is I collect the data in a buffer and when I detect full data, I just consume it from that buffer
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2018-12-06T20:24:40 < jadew> if you're just piping a file, eof() should work I think
2018-12-06T20:24:56 < jadew> because the piping mechanism sends an EOF signal when it's done
2018-12-06T20:25:11 < jadew> so echo whatever | your_thing should also work with eof detection
2018-12-06T20:25:50 < jadew> I guess it depends on what you're trying to achieve
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2018-12-06T20:31:48 < jadew> Laurenceb, this works fine for example: https://pastebin.com/G4xDrspv
2018-12-06T20:32:13 < Laurenceb> ah yeah my first attempt looked like that
2018-12-06T20:32:20 < Laurenceb> eof doesnt work properly for me
2018-12-06T20:32:29 < jadew> still got the code?
2018-12-06T20:32:34 < Laurenceb> for talking between tow QProcesses
2018-12-06T20:32:46 < Laurenceb> its on my other machine
2018-12-06T20:33:12 < jadew> ah, you're trying to do IPC?
2018-12-06T20:33:23 < jadew> boost has a library specifically for that
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2018-12-06T20:33:46 < jadew> and you don't have to mess around with pipes
2018-12-06T20:33:56 < jadew> you can just send messages
2018-12-06T20:34:24 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/XmBfA7d2
2018-12-06T20:34:28 < jadew> it probably still uses pipes in the background, but you don't care about that
2018-12-06T20:34:42 < Laurenceb> ok
2018-12-06T20:36:11 < jadew> your code is bad
2018-12-06T20:36:21 < jadew> you're seeking to the same point every time
2018-12-06T20:36:38 < jadew> (leaving aside the fact that it doesn't work for other reasons)
2018-12-06T20:37:00 < jadew> it's also unsafe
2018-12-06T20:37:15 < Laurenceb> yeah I need a limit on numsensors
2018-12-06T20:37:23 < jadew> the size of arr is not based on numsensors, which basically dictates how much data it should be able to take in
2018-12-06T20:37:57 < Laurenceb> yeah its just test code
2018-12-06T20:38:05 < jadew> you're forgiven
2018-12-06T20:38:11 < Laurenceb> ok so I need offsets using ios_base::beg
2018-12-06T20:38:56 < jadew> even so, the comparison between k and the fixed number, will always be true
2018-12-06T20:39:25 < jadew> Cracki, we're analyzing something that isn't working anyway
2018-12-06T20:41:21 < jadew> he's saving disk scape
2018-12-06T20:41:23 < jadew> *space
2018-12-06T20:41:28 < Laurenceb> hmf
2018-12-06T20:41:34 < Laurenceb> no still broken
2018-12-06T20:41:46 < jadew> Laurenceb, the example I gave?
2018-12-06T20:41:52 < jadew> doesn't read to eof()?
2018-12-06T20:42:01 < Laurenceb> yeah eof is always broken
2018-12-06T20:42:09 < Laurenceb> and seek with offset always returns zero
2018-12-06T20:42:16 < Laurenceb> eof always returns true
2018-12-06T20:42:49 < Laurenceb> Cracki: yeah it tried that and all the issues go away
2018-12-06T20:43:14 < Laurenceb> its something to do with running it using QProcess
2018-12-06T20:43:20 < Laurenceb> ok
2018-12-06T20:44:09 < Laurenceb> hmm I made something that could read all the data
2018-12-06T20:44:23 < Laurenceb> I'll use that code then write my own secondary buffer then
2018-12-06T20:44:33 < Laurenceb> ah
2018-12-06T20:44:38 < Laurenceb> k
2018-12-06T20:45:07 < Laurenceb> to check that I will be able to read my data packet
2018-12-06T20:46:01 < jadew> #notallstreams
2018-12-06T20:46:24 < Laurenceb> make streams great again
2018-12-06T20:47:10 < jadew> where is that?
2018-12-06T20:50:32 < jadew> Cracki, it's well documented
2018-12-06T20:50:45 < jadew> every field is versioned
2018-12-06T20:51:02 < jadew> also, you can look at the source code to see exactly what gets in there
2018-12-06T20:51:03 < jadew> BUT
2018-12-06T20:51:24 < jadew> I also used boost serialization for storage and it failed after upgrading boost (that was years ago)
2018-12-06T20:51:41 < jadew> after that I switched to my own serialization techniques that I have full control over
2018-12-06T20:56:28 < jadew> I use json too, for some stuff
2018-12-06T20:56:44 < jadew> but for binary data, I have my own serializer
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2018-12-06T21:16:55 < zyp> I used boost serialization in a network protocol for some stuff I wrote in uni
2018-12-06T21:17:01 < zyp> wouldn't really recommend
2018-12-06T21:18:21 < zyp> IMO boost serialization is good for stuff like when an application is storing and restoring state
2018-12-06T21:18:37 < bitmask> wow, cemu works amazingly now, I'm gonna have to play some breath of the wild later
2018-12-06T21:19:00 < zyp> but as soon as you start to pass stuff between applications, having only one implementation of the protocol gets restrictive
2018-12-06T21:20:48 < zyp> compared to something like protobuf where you have one protocol definition that a bunch of independent implementations can consume
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2018-12-06T22:52:34 < aandrew> Cracki: I've never used json much
2018-12-06T22:52:46 < aandrew> most times I'm transmitting data I'm sending packed binary structures
2018-12-06T22:54:38 < aandrew> which has its portability issues for sure
2018-12-06T22:55:04 < aandrew> I should find a good small json library that handles 90% of uses and stick with it on embedded
2018-12-06T22:55:27 < aandrew> hm?
2018-12-06T22:55:33 < aandrew> json encodes everything in ascii
2018-12-06T22:55:40 < aandrew> oh bencode
2018-12-06T22:55:54 < aandrew> people jizz over pbufs too which is perhaps another path
2018-12-06T22:57:32 < aandrew> lol
2018-12-06T22:59:50 < aandrew> oh, protobuf support for C is not standard
2018-12-06T23:00:16 < aandrew> nanopb, I remember now
2018-12-06T23:06:34 < aandrew> yeah I have to check out nanopb in more detail. I don't like that it needs python to generate the C include/source
2018-12-06T23:09:31 < aandrew> I'm not sure python is much of an improvement
2018-12-06T23:09:40 < Laurenceb> argg wtf
2018-12-06T23:09:40 < aandrew> I know enough perl to be dangerous
2018-12-06T23:09:42 < Laurenceb> I hate c++
2018-12-06T23:09:54 < Laurenceb> muh stdin is still completely broken
2018-12-06T23:09:56 < aandrew> every time I write it I think I document it enough but a month later it's incomprehensible
2018-12-06T23:10:10 < Steffanx> welcome stvn crt cpct
2018-12-06T23:10:11 < Steffanx> r
2018-12-06T23:16:08 < aandrew> heh
2018-12-06T23:16:08 < aandrew> https://d341kum51qu34d.cloudfront.net/images/posts/pb_json-45e02904.png
2018-12-06T23:16:59 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsyfC2i0mmQ
2018-12-06T23:17:26 < Thorn> json should look like a huge bulge
2018-12-06T23:17:30 < Thorn> in the wire
2018-12-06T23:18:06 < Steffanx> y no xml
2018-12-06T23:19:35 < aandrew> xml: http://4ct1cetsv2d1b87u035j70u1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/a99376_snake-eat_9-pig-1.jpg
2018-12-06T23:20:02 < Steffanx> have a cat yet, crt ?
2018-12-06T23:20:33 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/q91G5isq
2018-12-06T23:20:37 < Laurenceb> why u not work
2018-12-06T23:20:47 < Laurenceb> its a heisenburg to debug too :(
2018-12-06T23:21:21 < Steffanx> numsensors*10*2 mate
2018-12-06T23:22:30 < Laurenceb> maybe I should pay an outsourcer....
2018-12-06T23:22:35 < Laurenceb> wtf how can this be so hard
2018-12-06T23:23:59 < Laurenceb> Mr stdin
2018-12-06T23:24:13 < Laurenceb> should prob just use websockets or something
2018-12-06T23:25:16 < Laurenceb> guess I could use fancy gdb trickery to connect to it and grab the variables as it runs
2018-12-06T23:25:56 < qyx> y u no spaces
2018-12-06T23:25:57 < qyx> pls
2018-12-06T23:26:27 < qyx> seriously, my ocpd triggers when there is no space after ,
2018-12-06T23:26:37 < kakimir> hello drunk
2018-12-06T23:26:47 < jadew> why,qyx?
2018-12-06T23:26:57 < qyx> also I don't get why pythoners write named parameters like param=5
2018-12-06T23:27:03 < qyx> without spaces around the =
2018-12-06T23:32:32 < Laurenceb> maybe as s is a static QByteArray
2018-12-06T23:32:40 < Laurenceb> prob a nasty way to do it right?
2018-12-06T23:33:18 < Thorn> qyx: I add spaces when I put every parameter on its own line
2018-12-06T23:33:54 < Thorn> but iirc it's against pep8
2018-12-06T23:34:06 < Steffanx> qyx, dont you know no-space coding is methlab style?
2018-12-06T23:34:11 < Steffanx> all methlab coders do that
2018-12-06T23:34:15 < Steffanx> blaxter is one of those
2018-12-06T23:34:37 < Thorn> you need to learn mumps. it requires exactly 2 spaces after 'else', no spaces in expressions, etc.
2018-12-06T23:35:07 < Steffanx> "Mumps is a viral disease". That.
2018-12-06T23:35:30 < Thorn> it's designed for healthcare thus the name
2018-12-06T23:36:32 < jadew> imo there are two major coding styles
2018-12-06T23:36:40 < jadew> the shitty ones and mine
2018-12-06T23:37:15 < Steffanx> interesting definition of major :P
2018-12-06T23:37:23 < jadew> :)
2018-12-06T23:38:13 < jadew> I didn't want to spoil the punch line by saying there's only one
2018-12-06T23:40:31 < jadew> speaking of methlab, I'm addicted to octave
2018-12-06T23:43:36 < jadew> the only time I fire up calc is when I need to see numbers in binary as I type them
2018-12-06T23:44:10 < Steffanx> see numbers as you type em?
2018-12-06T23:44:24 < Steffanx> Could use note pad for that :P
2018-12-06T23:44:29 < jadew> :P
2018-12-06T23:44:32 < jadew> in binary too
2018-12-06T23:44:37 < jadew> or hex
2018-12-06T23:44:56 < Steffanx> i use google for that
2018-12-06T23:45:32 < englishman> Thorn: thanks
2018-12-06T23:46:11 < Laurenceb> arg that didnt fix it
2018-12-06T23:46:16  * Laurenceb out of ideas
2018-12-06T23:46:24 < Laurenceb> tiem to pay an indian developer to fix it
2018-12-06T23:46:45 < jadew> Laurenceb, if you have enough money, you can pay a romanian one :P
2018-12-06T23:48:17 < Steffanx> Fuck romanians
2018-12-06T23:49:03 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-12-06T23:50:08 < jadew> on second thought, you would be better off with an indian, you don't want the code to be too high quality else your boss might know something is up
2018-12-06T23:50:30 < mawk> so it worked Laurenceb ?
2018-12-06T23:50:39 < mawk> I'm still not a huge fan of your solution
2018-12-06T23:50:54 < mawk> if you don't wanna go to developer hell use select and the raw read() syscall
2018-12-06T23:51:18 < mawk> buffering a buffered stream isn't especially pretty
2018-12-06T23:51:43 < mawk> and it's easy, use Boost::asio or the raw select call
2018-12-06T23:52:08 < Laurenceb> hmm ok
2018-12-06T23:52:15 < Laurenceb> so gcount() always returns zero
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2018-12-06T23:52:27 < mawk> yeah
2018-12-06T23:52:31 < mawk> just read some chars
2018-12-06T23:52:37 < Laurenceb> hmm
2018-12-06T23:52:37 < mawk> and the internal buffer will be filled
2018-12-06T23:52:42 < mawk> but it could be blocking, you have to be careful
2018-12-06T23:52:50 < mawk> you just better throw away the C++ interface
2018-12-06T23:52:52 < jadew> Laurenceb, this is the correct approach: https://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_63_0/doc/html/interprocess.html
2018-12-06T23:53:00 < Laurenceb> I do read some
2018-12-06T23:53:04 < jadew> you're trying to send data between processes, right?
2018-12-06T23:53:12 < Laurenceb> jadew: ok, might try that tomorrow if I cant make this work
2018-12-06T23:53:21 < Laurenceb> mawk: check my code
2018-12-06T23:53:33 < Laurenceb> aiui my code does read some bytes
2018-12-06T23:53:39 < Laurenceb> but gcount is always zero
2018-12-06T23:54:31 < mawk> "returns number of characters extracted by last unformatted input operation"
2018-12-06T23:54:37 < mawk> why are you using gcount ? it's not what you want
2018-12-06T23:54:47 < Laurenceb> hmm
2018-12-06T23:54:51 < Laurenceb> readsome  ?
2018-12-06T23:55:01 < mawk> you wanted to know the internal buffer state no ?
2018-12-06T23:55:06 < Laurenceb> yeah
2018-12-06T23:55:10 < Laurenceb> I'll try readsome
2018-12-06T23:55:17 < jadew> you can use readsome if you know there's data there
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2018-12-06T23:55:38 < mawk> seems like readsome yes
2018-12-06T23:55:42 < mawk> but it's still not ok
2018-12-06T23:55:46 < mawk> it doesn't fill the buffer
2018-12-06T23:55:48 < jadew> you have to fill a buffer with it
2018-12-06T23:55:58 < Laurenceb> yeah readsome also fails
2018-12-06T23:56:09 < mawk> actually the docs say it may fill the buffer but highly implem-specific
2018-12-06T23:56:45 < mawk> just drop that thing
2018-12-06T23:57:02 < jadew> Laurenceb, what are you trying to do there?
2018-12-06T23:57:06 < Laurenceb> why is this so hard grrr
2018-12-06T23:57:07 < mawk> in your app Laurenceb what is the nature of the data ?
2018-12-06T23:57:09 < mawk> do you have headers ?
2018-12-06T23:57:15 < Laurenceb> I could do this 4 seconds on stm32
2018-12-06T23:57:18 < jadew> why don't you just use read?
2018-12-06T23:57:20 < mawk> it's hard because you have a stream on one hand, but messages on the other hand
2018-12-06T23:57:30 < mawk> read() can't know in advance where the messages will end
2018-12-06T23:57:31 < jadew> if you want to block
2018-12-06T23:57:31 < Laurenceb> I'm trying to read binary data from stdin
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2018-12-06T23:57:39 < mawk> yeah but what kind of data
2018-12-06T23:57:48 < jadew> do you have a header?
2018-12-06T23:57:49 < mawk> you want something like datagrams ? nicely delimited ?
2018-12-06T23:57:52 < Laurenceb> its fairly similar to UBX
2018-12-06T23:57:57 < Laurenceb> mawk: yeah
2018-12-06T23:57:58 < mawk> if you don't have a header you can't know where to stop the read
2018-12-06T23:58:07 < Laurenceb> hmm
2018-12-06T23:58:11 < mawk> you can buffer data as soon as it is here and do the processing later, tho
2018-12-06T23:58:15 < mawk> if you use non-blocking operations
2018-12-06T23:58:29 < jadew> thing is, if you know how much data you need and if it can be blocking, just read that amount of data and that's it
2018-12-06T23:58:33 < mawk> using the raw read() call and your file descriptor in non-blocking mode
2018-12-06T23:58:50 < jadew> if you don't want it to be blocking, you'll have to continously read into a buffer, until you have all the data
2018-12-06T23:59:03 < Laurenceb> jadew: thats what I'm trying to do
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2018-12-06T23:59:08 < mawk> yeah but with a system of notification jadew 
2018-12-06T23:59:11 < mawk> select, poll, epoll
2018-12-06T23:59:15 < Laurenceb> so I should use read?
2018-12-06T23:59:19 < mawk> in any case yes
2018-12-06T23:59:23 < jadew> mawk, yeah
2018-12-06T23:59:25 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/q91G5isq
2018-12-06T23:59:32 < Laurenceb> ^thats my read code (also fails)
2018-12-06T23:59:41 < ds2> select or fcntrl for sigio
2018-12-06T23:59:47 < Laurenceb> k is always 0
2018-12-06T23:59:57 < Laurenceb> and eof is never true
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2018-12-07T00:00:04 < jadew> Laurenceb, can that thing block?
2018-12-07T00:00:08 < mawk> if it's a pipe it's pretty normal
2018-12-07T00:00:11 < jadew> that's the first question you should answer
2018-12-07T00:00:16 < jadew> can it block or not?
2018-12-07T00:00:44 < ds2> or fork and....
2018-12-07T00:01:04 < mawk> you just need to have the file descriptor, usually int fd = 0; for stdin, set it non-blocking with fcntl, then loop on a select call on it
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2018-12-07T00:01:20 < Laurenceb> mawk... ok
2018-12-07T00:01:22 < jadew> well, it's not clear if that is needed
2018-12-07T00:01:26 < Laurenceb> is there example code for this?
2018-12-07T00:01:35 < jadew> Laurenceb, can your code block or not?
2018-12-07T00:01:42 < Laurenceb> jadew: I have no clue
2018-12-07T00:01:48 < mawk> there's no clear header or message delimitation he said
2018-12-07T00:01:52 < Laurenceb> cant find proper docs in Qt
2018-12-07T00:02:04 < jadew> ok... blocking means that it waits for the entire input to be received
2018-12-07T00:02:11 < mawk> there are probably example codes, but you don't really need that
2018-12-07T00:02:16 < mawk> there is an example code in man select
2018-12-07T00:02:37 < Laurenceb> oh you mean my code
2018-12-07T00:02:44 < Laurenceb> nah I dont really want it to be blocking
2018-12-07T00:02:56 < mawk> yeah so select is for you
2018-12-07T00:02:59 < mawk> only if you need portability
2018-12-07T00:03:00 < jadew> for example, if the message gets delivered fast and there's never a delay, you can even block from the UI thread if you don't care much about the code
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2018-12-07T00:03:06 < mawk> otherwise select is extremely shitty and you don't want to use it
2018-12-07T00:03:15 < mawk> but he doesn't know the message size
2018-12-07T00:03:19 < mawk> he can't block at all
2018-12-07T00:03:23 < mawk> the pipe will never get closed
2018-12-07T00:03:41 < mawk> the pipe will EOF only when the other party closes it
2018-12-07T00:04:08 < mawk> I can craft you an example in C++
2018-12-07T00:04:27 < Laurenceb> thanks
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2018-12-07T00:05:32 < mawk> there will maybe be some UB because you already used std::cin/someone in the code has
2018-12-07T00:05:43 < mawk> you have to live with the slight possibility of a lost byte in some obscure platform
2018-12-07T00:05:50 < mawk> or maybe there's a way but I don't know C++ well enou gh
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2018-12-07T00:06:26 < mawk> the idea is to get whatever is in the std::cin buffer so far, stop it from reading further, get the file descriptor back, use it as usual with syscalls
2018-12-07T00:06:50 < mawk> maybe std::istream::swap will do
2018-12-07T00:07:43 < mawk> I think setting eof then calling sync can't go bad
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2018-12-07T00:11:47 < mawk> seems pretty UB-prone yes, I see no way of calming potential C++-bearded guys that will yell at me for writing such code
2018-12-07T00:11:57 < mawk> but you can live with that probably
2018-12-07T00:12:10 < mawk> don't touch std::cin and that's all
2018-12-07T00:12:23 < mawk> or better, don't use standard input for your communication pipe, use it on fd 4 or something
2018-12-07T00:12:27 < mawk> and it's perfect
2018-12-07T00:12:31 < Laurenceb> hmf
2018-12-07T00:16:11 < mawk> anyway I'm writing the example
2018-12-07T00:16:28 < Laurenceb> thanks
2018-12-07T00:27:40 < mawk> seems to work
2018-12-07T00:27:42 < mawk> let me paste it
2018-12-07T00:27:49 < mawk> works on first try ! I'm lucky
2018-12-07T00:29:03 < mawk> Laurenceb: https://paste.serveur.io/XwwSdS0C.cpp
2018-12-07T00:29:18 < mawk> nevermind the errno_exception thing, you can remove it and use errno instead if you want
2018-12-07T00:29:20 < mawk> but it's more C++-ish
2018-12-07T00:29:53 < Laurenceb> wow thanks
2018-12-07T00:29:57 < Laurenceb> rather complex
2018-12-07T00:30:04 < mawk> there's some boilerplate
2018-12-07T00:30:05 < Laurenceb> ok I've got to catch a train, bbl
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2018-12-07T00:30:15 < mawk> and mistakes also, instead of the "return 0;" I do you maybe want to return the buffer
2018-12-07T00:30:18 < mawk> to not miss data
2018-12-07T00:30:23 < mawk> the core code isn't that long
2018-12-07T00:30:31 < mawk> I just do thorough error checking and all
2018-12-07T00:30:38 < mawk> bye
2018-12-07T00:35:37 < mawk> also here there's only one file descriptor but usually you want to interleave reads from the set of fds to prevent famine situations
2018-12-07T00:35:55 < mawk> when a fd gets replenished so fast that the infinite loop at line 62 never ends
2018-12-07T00:35:58 < mawk> and other fds don't get their share
2018-12-07T00:36:28 < mawk> in your case it may also make sense to process the data there, if your pipe gets replenished too fast, but that's all edge cases
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2018-12-07T01:23:16 < englishman> peterm beep
2018-12-07T01:35:10 < jadew> it's amazing how cheap a proper second hand mill is
2018-12-07T01:35:58 < jadew> yet a shitty CNC that can't even compare in precision and power ends up costing way more
2018-12-07T01:37:04 < jadew> https://www.olx.ro/oferta/freza-metal-fu-12-IDa2ULt.html#502a8bc7e3
2018-12-07T01:37:10 < jadew> https://www.olx.ro/oferta/masina-frezat-freza-metal-IDbJrP3.html#502a8bc7e3
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2018-12-07T01:38:54 < jadew> not sure it fits next to my 3d printer, on the desk
2018-12-07T01:44:45 < dongs> how fucking many kw is that
2018-12-07T01:44:49 < dongs> 16?
2018-12-07T01:45:08 < jadew> I think 14.5
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2018-12-07T01:47:46 < dongs> well 380*32 is 12000-ish but i donno wat 64A is, peak current?
2018-12-07T01:48:19 < jadew> don't know
2018-12-07T01:48:34 < dongs> probly more power than your entire apartment block
2018-12-07T01:50:26 < jadew> I'll just use it at night
2018-12-07T01:50:32 < sync> wut dongs
2018-12-07T01:50:33 < jadew> my main concern is getting it up the stairs
2018-12-07T01:50:35 < sync> my flat has 64A
2018-12-07T01:50:50 < englishman> youre not a gypsy
2018-12-07T01:51:03 < jadew> I'm sure two strong lads can solve that problem too
2018-12-07T01:51:20 < jadew> I think we have 25 A fuses
2018-12-07T01:51:43 < jadew> for the main one - maybe
2018-12-07T01:51:44 < englishman> i was charging my car at 12kW today
2018-12-07T01:51:49 < jadew> and 16A for the other ones
2018-12-07T01:52:42 < englishman> PeterM: screw-in lightbulb works fine. but the HID floodlight that I had totally forgotten about blew the fuck up.
2018-12-07T01:54:26 < dongs> how many km do you get in the winter , like 50?
2018-12-07T01:54:31 < dongs> per chare
2018-12-07T01:54:33 < dongs> ge
2018-12-07T01:54:40 < englishman> more
2018-12-07T01:55:03 < englishman> depends on speed and stuff
2018-12-07T01:55:24 < englishman> where you are you probably wont see much difference at all. its more like -10 or -20C where it makes a difference
2018-12-07T01:55:38 < jadew> do you know how many kWh are you putting in over a year?
2018-12-07T01:55:38 < dongs> yeah, it never even goes below zero here
2018-12-07T01:55:42 < englishman> plus i can plug in at work and at most shops
2018-12-07T01:55:54 < englishman> jadew yeah the app tells me
2018-12-07T01:55:55 < dongs> does nissan have a free charge deal in u.s. too?
2018-12-07T01:56:00 < dongs> err canada
2018-12-07T01:56:01 < englishman> dont think so
2018-12-07T01:56:06 < englishman> def not canada
2018-12-07T01:56:14 < englishman> but its $dontcare
2018-12-07T01:56:18 < dongs> in japshit you get a leaf you get like 3 years of free charge anywehre thingy
2018-12-07T01:56:27 < jadew> englishman, do you have a rough number?
2018-12-07T01:56:29 < dongs> probly  cuz if you actually paid for electricity it wouldnt be worth it
2018-12-07T01:56:36 < englishman> 'anywhere' is subjective
2018-12-07T01:56:38 < jadew> we've been considering electric too, but we don't know what to expect
2018-12-07T01:56:38 < englishman> where you are, sure
2018-12-07T01:56:47 < jadew> charging would also be a bit more difficult here
2018-12-07T01:56:47 < englishman> cuz energy is all nuclear and shit
2018-12-07T01:56:50 < dongs> anywhere in japan with a charge station that expects paid
2018-12-07T01:56:57 < englishman> but at 8c/kWn it's about 1/10 the cost of gas
2018-12-07T01:57:00 < englishman> jadew looking
2018-12-07T01:57:02 < dongs> heh
2018-12-07T01:58:00 < jadew> we pay about 25c (USD) per kWh
2018-12-07T01:58:09 < zyp> dongs, considering japanese electricity prices, three years of free charge is a pretty good deal
2018-12-07T01:58:14 < englishman> jadew: November 2018, 1707.12km, 426.43kWh, 4.0km/kWh
2018-12-07T01:58:19 < dongs> yes, that was my point
2018-12-07T01:58:30 < jadew> englishman, thanks
2018-12-07T01:58:44 < englishman> October 2018, 1715.44km, 354.05kWh, 4.8km/kWh
2018-12-07T01:59:22 < englishman> September 2018, 1524.33km, 254.28kWh, 6.0km/kWh
2018-12-07T01:59:33 < zyp> why is your consumption that high?
2018-12-07T01:59:41 < jadew> cold season
2018-12-07T01:59:42 < zyp> highway commute?
2018-12-07T01:59:48 < englishman> all highway yeah
2018-12-07T01:59:52 < zyp> what speed?
2018-12-07T02:00:01 < englishman> 110-125
2018-12-07T02:00:08 < zyp> okay, makes sense
2018-12-07T02:00:10 < englishman> september was warm
2018-12-07T02:00:22 < englishman> yeah at 150km/h you can see the bars dropping
2018-12-07T02:00:22 < zyp> also, how cold?
2018-12-07T02:00:27 < englishman> nov was cold
2018-12-07T02:00:35 < zyp> haha, does it even do 150?
2018-12-07T02:00:38 < englishman> yea
2018-12-07T02:00:56 < jadew> would I be close if I said that the average is 5 km/kWh?
2018-12-07T02:00:58 < englishman> on the last road from the village to the house there's never any cops
2018-12-07T02:01:11 < zyp> I think mine is speed limited at 145 or something
2018-12-07T02:01:17 < englishman> km/h???
2018-12-07T02:01:23 < zyp> yeah
2018-12-07T02:02:14 < englishman> nov hi-lo-avg was 10.9 - -16.7 - -2.3
2018-12-07T02:02:23 < dongs> ouch
2018-12-07T02:02:27 < zyp> fun
2018-12-07T02:02:37 < zyp> over here, winter haven't really started yet
2018-12-07T02:02:44 < englishman> oct 22.3 - -8.1 - 5.4
2018-12-07T02:03:02 < englishman> it started really early here
2018-12-07T02:03:10 < englishman> like a month ago
2018-12-07T02:03:14 < zyp> we had a few days of snow, but that was weeks ago and it disappeared as fast as it came
2018-12-07T02:03:45 < englishman> sep 31.3 - -2.3 - 15.4
2018-12-07T02:03:51 < zyp> past few weeks have just alternated between raining and dry cold
2018-12-07T02:04:42 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/Ns2JOtW.jpg
2018-12-07T02:04:55 < englishman> swapped over this circuit to 240v today and installed a 6-20R
2018-12-07T02:05:08 < englishman> sometimes it wasnt recharging fully overnight
2018-12-07T02:05:13 < zyp> looks like we might get some snow next week: https://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Aust-Agder/Grimstad/Grimstad/long.html?spr=eng
2018-12-07T02:05:53 < zyp> fun
2018-12-07T02:06:33 < zyp> I haven't decided yet what to do about charging at the new house
2018-12-07T02:09:06 < sync> yes, you can turn the limiter off tho zyp
2018-12-07T02:09:18 < sync> the police here has egolfs and e-ups
2018-12-07T02:09:30 < sync> they found out that they last about 30-45mins in a chase :D
2018-12-07T02:09:32 < zyp> I'm tempted to make some cute stuff embedded in the wall, but I don't have money to pour into parts for that yet :p
2018-12-07T02:09:53 < zyp> sync, haha, cool
2018-12-07T02:10:07 < zyp> how fast does it go without the limiter?
2018-12-07T02:10:20 < dongs> lol
2018-12-07T02:10:31 < zyp> and does vcds do it?
2018-12-07T02:10:43 < englishman> get a couple of these zyp https://store.flo.ca/en/flo-home-x5-charging-station
2018-12-07T02:10:51 < englishman> powerline comms
2018-12-07T02:11:07 < zyp> nah
2018-12-07T02:11:10 < zyp> no fun :p
2018-12-07T02:11:25 < englishman> lol j1772 only
2018-12-07T02:11:38 < englishman> no wait thats what you have right
2018-12-07T02:11:45 < zyp> no
2018-12-07T02:11:53 < zyp> wife has that though
2018-12-07T02:13:57 < sync> zyp: the up around 180
2018-12-07T02:14:07 < sync> the egolf I think around 190 - 200
2018-12-07T02:14:36 < sync> no idea though what you need to do
2018-12-07T02:14:53 < zyp> aww
2018-12-07T02:15:11 < zyp> oh well, I already managed to get my first speeding ticket recently :p
2018-12-07T02:15:11 < sync> I don't have one, so I have not dicked with one yet
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2018-12-07T02:18:05 < dongs> http://linux.org/
2018-12-07T02:18:37 < jadew> lol
2018-12-07T02:18:47 < zyp> there's a fucking 40 zone on my commute, main road out from the roundabout near my office
2018-12-07T02:18:49 < jadew> did you post it on #linux too?
2018-12-07T02:18:57 < dongs> no, i think im banned
2018-12-07T02:19:43 < zyp> the road curves around a hill and has mountains on one side and barriers on the other, so it feels more like a 60 than a 40 zone
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2018-12-07T02:19:49 < jadew> I'll let them know
2018-12-07T02:19:55 < zyp> turns into 60 further up
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2018-12-07T02:20:45 < sync> haha yeah, they do that shit here as well zyp
2018-12-07T02:21:48 < zyp> they measured me to 54, got a nice 3800 NOK fine
2018-12-07T02:22:50 < sync> nice
2018-12-07T02:23:18 < dongs> fines sound in line with waht japs charge
2018-12-07T02:23:37 < dongs> i was < 50km over limit ended upp aying around 500$ or so
2018-12-07T02:23:46 < dongs> and no license for 60? days
2018-12-07T02:23:57 < dongs> > 40 < 50 for that class
2018-12-07T02:24:00 < englishman> good thing they didnt get you twice
2018-12-07T02:24:48 < englishman> jeez i dont think there are any canucks that can afford a surprise $500 expense
2018-12-07T02:25:13 < zyp> IMO the fine is reasonable enough for doing 54 in a 40, it's just that that road shouldn't be a 40
2018-12-07T02:25:25 < sync> wut
2018-12-07T02:25:46 < sync> the fine here would be like 20€
2018-12-07T02:25:49 < jadew> yeah, $500 is rather high
2018-12-07T02:26:11 < zyp> sync, what's even the point of a fee if it's only 20€?
2018-12-07T02:26:16 < zyp> fine*
2018-12-07T02:26:39 < sync> 14kmh is also not very far over the limit
2018-12-07T02:26:46 < dongs> 20eur just tells you to do it again tomorrow
2018-12-07T02:26:47 < jadew> dongs, how did you find out about linux.org?
2018-12-07T02:26:52 < zyp> dongs, exactly
2018-12-07T02:26:57 < dongs> jadew: from englishman who else
2018-12-07T02:27:06 < zyp> sync, it's 35% over
2018-12-07T02:27:16 < dongs> also, fuck the amp link on that page
2018-12-07T02:27:32 < englishman> doubletroll
2018-12-07T02:27:51 < sync> yes, but in kmh it is not a lot zyp
2018-12-07T02:28:19 < sync> obv it is not relative to the speed, but that is how it works here
2018-12-07T02:28:33 < zyp> that's stupid
2018-12-07T02:28:44 < sync> possibly
2018-12-07T02:28:44 < englishman> but its 180% the energy
2018-12-07T02:28:47 < sync> but I'm ok with it
2018-12-07T02:28:55 < englishman> 180% schoolchildren crushed
2018-12-07T02:29:06 < zyp> hmm
2018-12-07T02:29:32 < sync> the thing is, just because you are slightly faster there is no immediate danger
2018-12-07T02:29:35 < zyp> if I did like 114 in a 100, that'd be 3400 NOK, so a bit cheaper
2018-12-07T02:29:58 < zyp> not much difference in the lower classes
2018-12-07T02:30:18 < jadew> we are on a point system
2018-12-07T02:30:32 < jadew> you get some points + a fine based on the number of points you got
2018-12-07T02:30:36 < zyp> but like 25 over is 8500 at 60 and below, 6400 at 70 and above
2018-12-07T02:30:42 < jadew> if you get to 15 points you lose your license
2018-12-07T02:30:58 < zyp> we have a point system too, I got two points along with the 3800 fine
2018-12-07T02:31:07 < jadew> sounds about right
2018-12-07T02:31:11 < zyp> would lose my license at 7 or something
2018-12-07T02:31:27 < zyp> no, 8
2018-12-07T02:31:29 < jadew> how long do they last?
2018-12-07T02:31:38 < zyp> three years IIRC
2018-12-07T02:31:43 < jadew> nice
2018-12-07T02:31:45 < zyp> yeah, three years
2018-12-07T02:31:50 < zyp> lose license for six months
2018-12-07T02:31:59 < jadew> oh, that sounds great
2018-12-07T02:32:25 < jadew> in here you have to try a lot harder
2018-12-07T02:32:41 < sync> yeah
2018-12-07T02:32:46 < ds2> is there a state/country limit?
2018-12-07T02:32:53 < sync> I would loose my license all the time in norway then
2018-12-07T02:33:00 < ds2> 114 isn't that fast
2018-12-07T02:33:05 < zyp> only if they catch you
2018-12-07T02:33:37 < zyp> I've had my license for almost 13 years now and this is the first speeding ticket I've got
2018-12-07T02:33:48 < zyp> and it's not like this was the first time I drove above the limit :p
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2018-12-07T02:36:23 < zyp> if I can do another 13 years before next time, I'm not too bothered by the fine :p
2018-12-07T02:43:55 < catphish> morning humans
2018-12-07T02:52:47 < englishman> welcome back
2018-12-07T02:54:04 < catphish> i didn't go far :) just got distracted by an allwinner a20 while waiting for some parts from the china
2018-12-07T03:05:33 < jadew> dongs, is linux.org not an important site for the linux community? I see no news about it getting hacked
2018-12-07T03:05:57 < jadew> (which is why I asked about how you found out about it)
2018-12-07T03:11:28 < mawk> it's not an important site
2018-12-07T03:11:35 < mawk> it's the linux foundation shit
2018-12-07T03:11:55 < mawk> just corporations rubbing each others' backs for funding linux
2018-12-07T03:11:59 < mawk> the real thing is kernel.org
2018-12-07T03:13:14 < jadew> dongs, looks like the hacker got into the account of the person who owns the domain name, on the registrar's site
2018-12-07T03:13:25 < jadew> they probably changed the DNS settings
2018-12-07T03:13:45 < jadew> mawk, got it
2018-12-07T03:19:16 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/RFhKjm8.png
2018-12-07T03:19:57 < jadew> so probably not even related?
2018-12-07T03:20:27 < jadew> not too exciting in this case
2018-12-07T03:25:43 < catphish> that's pretty funny, hopefully the trademark owner will grab it
2018-12-07T03:27:18 < catphish> i assumed that was the account of the "hacker" and he just managed to drop catch it, though that's pretty hard to do these days so maybe not
2018-12-07T03:28:48 < jadew> catphish, no, I think he managed to steal that person's account
2018-12-07T03:28:57 < catphish> ah
2018-12-07T03:29:00 < jadew> and drop catching is not illegal
2018-12-07T03:29:15 < catphish> nobody said it was
2018-12-07T03:30:36 < catphish> hacking info a registrar account does seem more likely, theres a few high value domains there
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2018-12-07T04:42:07 < ColdKeyboard> Is there a USB<->Card Reader example? The one provided with STM32F072-EVAL board doesn't work... Device shows up as a reader but cannot read the card
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2018-12-07T05:53:56 < dongs> jadew: no clue, im sure all 3 lunix users are shattered about the takeover
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2018-12-07T07:06:20 < jadew> dongs, nobody seemed to care when I posted the link in #linux
2018-12-07T07:07:41 < jadew> $2 for a switch is expensive, right?
2018-12-07T07:08:27 < jadew> doesn't even have a cap
2018-12-07T07:12:23 < jadew> farnell has cheaper ones at $1+
2018-12-07T07:12:47 < jadew> still feels like a ripoff
2018-12-07T07:17:22 < ColdKeyboard> Anyone have an example for USB CCID reader? One from STM32F072-EVAL board doesn't work... :\
2018-12-07T07:17:33 < ColdKeyboard> Or evene better if there is a example on how to emulate smart card?
2018-12-07T07:20:38 < jadew> lol, found a listing for some buttons where it says the buttons are original Japanese and in the pictures there's the box they came in and it says "made in china"
2018-12-07T07:36:33 < PeterM> speeding fines in nsw, aus, less than 10km/h over $353, more than 10km/h over $472, mroe than 20km/h over $588, mroe than 30km/h over $1414, more than 45km/h over, $3691 - If you contest a fine and lose, $2200 mobile speed cameras tend to be in asshole kind of places too, like long down hills, over a crest from a high to low speed zone transition etc
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2018-12-07T07:51:49 < mawk> they scratch you
2018-12-07T07:55:57 < dongs> https://venturebeat.com/2014/03/30/threes-vs-2048-when-rip-offs-do-better-than-the-original-game/ haha
2018-12-07T07:56:09 < dongs> crt: works for me
2018-12-07T07:56:14 < dongs> err
2018-12-07T07:56:17 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: works for me
2018-12-07T07:56:46 < dongs> PeterM: niice
2018-12-07T08:00:36 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: perhaps you want to describe what the shit youre trying to do
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2018-12-07T08:56:14 < ColdKeyboard> Basically I want to create a CCID reader. STM has some examples but they seem very old and don't work :\
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2018-12-07T08:56:31 < ColdKeyboard> Win10 detects USB as CCID reader but it doesn't detect the card when it's inserted
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2018-12-07T10:23:06 < qyx> Steffanx: I am glad I never did matlab, somehow I was able to avoid it at the school
2018-12-07T10:23:17 < qyx> maybe I will regret it
2018-12-07T10:27:42 < PaulFertser> The language itself is pretty dumb, you'll learn it in no time when you need it.
2018-12-07T10:28:18 < PaulFertser> But probably simulink and related experience might come useful.
2018-12-07T10:29:05 < Steffanx> You got on the numpy train, qyx?
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2018-12-07T12:37:34 < Haohmaru> pfff
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2018-12-07T13:30:30 < Steffanx> superbia, Haohmaru doesnt want good days. 
2018-12-07T13:30:33 < Steffanx> Hi superbia 
2018-12-07T13:32:06 < Haohmaru> gud dei, eh, i am grrrrate prrrofesionaliste
2018-12-07T13:46:58 < Steffanx> Haohmaru: drugs are bad, m'kay
2018-12-07T13:48:51  * Haohmaru doesn't take drugs
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2018-12-07T14:12:49 < Steffanx> Do you have a good day so far Haohmaru?
2018-12-07T14:14:59 < Haohmaru> who cares
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2018-12-07T14:24:24 < Laurenceb> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-46480342
2018-12-07T14:24:27 < Laurenceb> epin fail
2018-12-07T14:24:36 < Laurenceb> Ivan Redditman at work
2018-12-07T14:25:53 < Laurenceb> wew http://archive.fo/tgDaD
2018-12-07T14:27:07 < Laurenceb> linux.org is now down lol
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2018-12-07T15:39:19 < karlp> dongs: chinafab finally imrpoving silk: https://www.seeedstudio.com/blog/2018/11/15/seeed-studios-main-quickturn-pcb-factory-upgrades-the-silkscreen-line
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2018-12-07T15:42:13 < Thorn> To pass IPC Class 2 quality control standards, the only requirement for silkscreen printed text on PCBs was that the text is ‘readable’.
2018-12-07T15:42:36 < Thorn> "is it readable?" – "well, technically yes..." – "good!"
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2018-12-07T15:43:14 < Haohmaru> not "good" .. "perrrrfect! QC PASSED, CE, RoHS"
2018-12-07T15:44:39 < englishman> class 1 and 2 are really just guidelines, class 3 has actual metrics to adhere to
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2018-12-07T15:45:21 < englishman> example, class 1 might say ambient temp has to be in a range where it doesn't cause problems
2018-12-07T15:46:15 < karlp> for more dongs enjoyment: https://librepcb.org/
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2018-12-07T15:50:40 < zyp> also this: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31140453-orbital-cloud
2018-12-07T15:50:47 < zyp> I bet dongs would hate it
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2018-12-07T16:01:24 < jadew> so weird... the guy who hacked linux.org set up a twitter account and seems to be posting garbage
2018-12-07T16:02:22 < jadew> it's funny tho
2018-12-07T16:02:54 < jadew> for his last tweet he posted a link to windows 10 lol
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2018-12-07T16:26:52 < Laurenceb> reee freaking c++
2018-12-07T16:26:58 < Laurenceb> stdin still failing
2018-12-07T16:27:12 < Laurenceb> gcount and eof and utterly non functional
2018-12-07T16:27:25 < Laurenceb> wtfd
2018-12-07T16:27:35 < Laurenceb>  >> fails
2018-12-07T16:27:40 < Laurenceb> how is this even possible
2018-12-07T16:28:08 < Haohmaru> aww
2018-12-07T16:29:13 < Thorn> are there LA probes for modern intel CPUs?
2018-12-07T16:29:38 < Thorn> all I see @ keysight is pentium II etc.
2018-12-07T16:30:31 < Laurenceb> even std::cin >>  fails to give any data
2018-12-07T16:30:45 < Laurenceb> QTextStream(stdin) works
2018-12-07T16:30:58 < Laurenceb> but it corrupts the data as it has unicode processing
2018-12-07T16:31:03 < mawk> "We didn’t do a scratch test, but we just feel like the inkjet would last more wear and tear compared to the silks which have a flat and kind of chalky appearance."
2018-12-07T16:31:04 < mawk> lol
2018-12-07T16:31:17 < mawk> aka "we did a scratch test and it's worse than the manual method"
2018-12-07T16:31:52 < mawk> don't use >> Laurenceb , unless you want \n delimitations and stuff
2018-12-07T16:31:57 < Thorn> Laurenceb have you seen this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7587595/read-binary-data-from-stdcin
2018-12-07T16:31:59 < Laurenceb> mawk: ah ok
2018-12-07T16:32:09 < mawk> >> delimits with spaces actually
2018-12-07T16:32:12 < mawk> it processes your data
2018-12-07T16:32:45 < Haohmaru> sends it to teh clouds and back in another form
2018-12-07T16:33:03 < Laurenceb> Thorn: ok this is on lunix but I'll try the reopen stuff
2018-12-07T16:33:04 < mawk> you have std::cin.read() to just read the data
2018-12-07T16:33:24 < Laurenceb> mawk: yeah that works but I have no way of knowing how much data there is
2018-12-07T16:33:35 < Laurenceb> unless I paint the array with magic numbers I guess
2018-12-07T16:33:35 < mawk> indeed
2018-12-07T16:33:45 < Laurenceb> as gcount is broken
2018-12-07T16:34:10 < Thorn> don't try to find the size of data in a stream lol
2018-12-07T16:34:12 < mawk> if you don't want to put a header in your data you have no other way
2018-12-07T16:34:15 < Thorn> just read it until EOF
2018-12-07T16:34:18 < mawk> than using select
2018-12-07T16:34:23 < mawk> it's a pipe Thorn , there's no EOF
2018-12-07T16:34:33 < Laurenceb> maybe I could use Websockets
2018-12-07T16:34:40 < mawk> ??
2018-12-07T16:34:44 < mawk> for two natives programs ?
2018-12-07T16:34:47 < Laurenceb> yes
2018-12-07T16:34:51 < mawk> if you said unix sockets I could've understood
2018-12-07T16:34:52 < Laurenceb> might be simpler than stdin
2018-12-07T16:34:56 < Laurenceb> ok
2018-12-07T16:35:03 < mawk> unix sockets can work with messages
2018-12-07T16:35:06 < mawk> in DGRAM mode
2018-12-07T16:35:08 < Laurenceb> ok
2018-12-07T16:35:09 < mawk> and that's what you want I think
2018-12-07T16:35:18 < mawk> if you absolutely don't want to use select
2018-12-07T16:35:21 < mawk> which is pretty portable tho
2018-12-07T16:35:36 < Laurenceb> hmm I wrote the stdin pipe parser, so if I could make stdin work its be less work than rewriting everything else
2018-12-07T16:35:56 < Laurenceb> ok I'll try select and if that doesnt work move to sockets
2018-12-07T16:36:12 < mawk> pipe+select or sockets in DGRAM mode is just the data acquisition part
2018-12-07T16:36:19 < mawk> your parser is still useful
2018-12-07T16:36:24 < Thorn> there should still be EOF even if it's a pipe
2018-12-07T16:36:25 < Laurenceb> ok
2018-12-07T16:36:32 < Laurenceb> Thorn: there isnt I've tried
2018-12-07T16:36:34 < mawk> yeah but when the other party closes its end Thorn 
2018-12-07T16:36:41 < mawk> it could happen in a million years
2018-12-07T16:36:43 < Laurenceb> EOF is only when the other end closes
2018-12-07T16:36:44 < mawk> he wants the data right now
2018-12-07T16:36:52 < mawk> also pipes have a buffer that get filled if you don't read
2018-12-07T16:36:58 < mawk> and the other side will start to block
2018-12-07T16:37:00 < mawk> so deadlock
2018-12-07T16:37:03 < Laurenceb> yeah my parser uses EOF to shut down the program
2018-12-07T16:37:08 < Thorn> then fix the sender to use a sensible protocol
2018-12-07T16:37:18 < mawk> or use select
2018-12-07T16:37:23 < mawk> blocking isn't mandatory
2018-12-07T16:37:28 < Laurenceb> I'll try select first
2018-12-07T16:37:35 < mawk> you can buffer data as soon as it arrives, process it while waiting for some more
2018-12-07T16:39:22 < mawk> a quick description of select: you have two sets fd_set readfds and fd_set errfds, you do an infinite loop in which you clear the sets, you add your fd to the two sets, you select(max_fd+1, &readfds, nullptr, &writefds, nullptr);
2018-12-07T16:39:36 < mawk> then query the sets for events, do err at the end
2018-12-07T16:39:39 < mawk> then loop
2018-12-07T16:39:42 < mawk> can't be simpler
2018-12-07T16:40:53 < mawk> you break out of the loop if you have an error on the fd (typically an error on a pipe means you tried to write to it while it's closed), or if a read() returns 0
2018-12-07T16:41:30 < mawk> read() could return 0 in which case it's EOF, >0 in which case you have some data to buffer, <0 in which case you need to check if errno is EAGAIN or EWOULDBLOCK then just stop reading, and if it's < 0 and errno is not these two constants then you have an error and break out of the loop
2018-12-07T16:41:38 < mawk> here you've handled all corner cases and you won't go to developer hell
2018-12-07T16:42:06 < mawk> and obviously before all that you fcntl(fd, F_SETFL, fcntl(fd, F_GETFL) | O_NONBLOCK);
2018-12-07T16:42:26 < mawk> and sprinkle some error detection at every syscall
2018-12-07T16:44:51 < Laurenceb> ok
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2018-12-07T17:12:18 < Laurenceb> reee select always returns true
2018-12-07T17:12:30 < Laurenceb> it can read data but it reads too much
2018-12-07T17:13:43 < Laurenceb> using retval = select(1, &rfds, NULL, NULL, &tv);
2018-12-07T17:13:51 < Laurenceb> retval is _always_ 1
2018-12-07T17:14:01 < Laurenceb> http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/select.2.html
2018-12-07T17:14:41 < jpa-> Laurenceb: what should i make for dinner today?
2018-12-07T17:14:55 < Laurenceb> jpa_: cooked lunix programmer pie
2018-12-07T17:14:59 < dongs> haha
2018-12-07T17:15:05 < dongs> linux.org redirects to some dumb twitter account now
2018-12-07T17:16:30 < BrainDamage> jpa-: stewed meat and use part of the broth to make risotto
2018-12-07T17:17:02 < jpa-> does one then eat the risotto with the meat or what?
2018-12-07T17:17:22 < englishman> id imagine the only things laurent knows how to make come from the frozen food section
2018-12-07T17:17:40 < BrainDamage> jpa-: you put them side to side on a plate
2018-12-07T17:17:47 < jpa-> BrainDamage: ok
2018-12-07T17:18:08 < jpa-> englishman: you think i know more? even when zyp visited only thing i had to offer was frozen pizza :P
2018-12-07T17:18:19 < englishman> BrainDamage: grey cat likes osso bucco https://i.imgur.com/CiWgCTq.jpg
2018-12-07T17:18:41 < BrainDamage> englishman: I had osso buco last week, when I came back from PNI
2018-12-07T17:18:52 < jpa-> BrainDamage: sounds quite nice actually, but might be too late to start stewing meat now
2018-12-07T17:19:45 < englishman> good stuff
2018-12-07T17:20:13 < BrainDamage> jpa-: how about a cotoletta / wiener schnitzel then?
2018-12-07T17:21:22 < BrainDamage> if you pan fry them, it takes less than 20 to produce a decent amount
2018-12-07T17:23:11 < jadew> ffs... I'm trying to buy some SMA connectors and found ones that I like at $3, but if I want the nuts too, I have to pay $2/nut and I need 2
2018-12-07T17:24:14 < jpa-> BrainDamage: hmm, good idea
2018-12-07T17:24:42 < jpa-> it would also be something new to me, here we usually have breaded chicken / fish fillets only
2018-12-07T17:25:12 < jpa-> (and unbreaded beef)
2018-12-07T17:27:54 < dongs> mmm nuts
2018-12-07T17:28:07 < karlp> cotoletta is nice, we even call them kótilettur here.
2018-12-07T17:28:15 < karlp> babel what I say.
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2018-12-07T18:16:15 < bitmask> o/
2018-12-07T18:16:19 < bitmask> \o
2018-12-07T18:17:17 < Steffanx> Guten tag
2018-12-07T18:17:32 < bitmask> how goes it
2018-12-07T18:19:44 < karlp> good, it's friday.
2018-12-07T18:19:54 < karlp> bad, the concert I wanted to go sold out half an hour before I bought tickets
2018-12-07T18:20:03 < bitmask> that sucks
2018-12-07T18:20:04 < karlp> burnt any holes in your clothes/skin yet?
2018-12-07T18:20:20 < karlp> eh, we'd been talking about it for a few days, it was laziness on our part to not have gotten tickets
2018-12-07T18:20:21 < bitmask> hah no but I havent really gotten to a point I can test it
2018-12-07T18:20:42 < bitmask> I need to order these pcbs but im broke
2018-12-07T18:21:04 < sync> pcbs are like $2
2018-12-07T18:21:22 < bitmask> then buy them for me
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2018-12-07T18:22:11 < mawk> what are you saying Laurenceb 
2018-12-07T18:22:14 < bitmask> its $20 for both including shipping
2018-12-07T18:22:15 < mawk> of course select returns true
2018-12-07T18:22:23 < mawk> you need to use the macros to check which fd is ok in the two sets
2018-12-07T18:22:25 < Laurenceb> ok wut
2018-12-07T18:22:38 < mawk> well select returns only when there is data to read
2018-12-07T18:22:43 < mawk> so it will always return something positive
2018-12-07T18:22:56 < mawk> when select returns you check if your fd is in the readfds set, then your read from it
2018-12-07T18:23:09 < mawk> you read read read until it's empty and returns the EAGAIN/EWOULDBLOCK error
2018-12-07T18:23:09 < Laurenceb> but what if I set timeout to zero?
2018-12-07T18:23:18 < mawk> don't do that
2018-12-07T18:23:19 < mawk> lol
2018-12-07T18:23:23 < mawk> otherwise select is just useless
2018-12-07T18:23:28 < Laurenceb> hmf
2018-12-07T18:23:29 < mawk> set the timeout pointer to nullptr if you want
2018-12-07T18:23:33 < mawk> but not the timeout value to zero
2018-12-07T18:23:57 < mawk> select returns if there is a timeout or if there is data to read
2018-12-07T18:24:16 < mawk> but you can pass nullptr to the timeout argument
2018-12-07T18:24:42 < Laurenceb> is there example code for this?
2018-12-07T18:24:54 < mawk> for what ?
2018-12-07T18:24:56 < mawk> for using select ?
2018-12-07T18:25:01 < Laurenceb> yeah
2018-12-07T18:25:17 < Laurenceb> I copied the linux axample code but it sounds like its not so simple
2018-12-07T18:25:37 < Laurenceb> blerg time to give up
2018-12-07T18:25:42 < mawk> for (;;) { /* clear your fd sets */ /* add your fds to the readfds set */ select(max_fd+1, readfds, nullptr, errfds, nullptr); /* check if your fd is in the readfds set and take action */ /* check if your fd is in the errfds set and take action */ }
2018-12-07T18:25:42 < Laurenceb> I'll use sockets
2018-12-07T18:25:51 < mawk> but socket are harder
2018-12-07T18:25:54 < mawk> select is easy
2018-12-07T18:25:55 < Laurenceb> hmf
2018-12-07T18:26:08 < mawk> select is just a couple line if you give up error checking
2018-12-07T18:26:12 < Laurenceb> oh
2018-12-07T18:27:20 < mawk> fd_set readfds, errfds; for { FD_CLR(&readfds); FD_CLR(&errfds); FD_SET(yourfd, &readfds); select(yourfd+1, &readfds, nullptr, &writefds, nullptr); if (FD_ISSET(yourfd, &readfds)) { /* do something */ } if (FD_ISSET(yourfd, &errfds)) { /* do something */ }}
2018-12-07T18:27:23 < mawk> here's the code
2018-12-07T18:27:32 < Laurenceb> thanks
2018-12-07T18:27:33 < mawk> before that you need to O_NONBLOCK your fd
2018-12-07T18:27:46 < mawk> fcntl(yourfd, F_SETFL, fcntl(yourfd, F_GETFL) | O_NONBLOCK);
2018-12-07T18:28:19 < mawk> in the /* do something */ block for the read event you read() your fd into a buffer
2018-12-07T18:28:20 < karlp> has lolrence still not figured out how select/poll works yet?
2018-12-07T18:28:56 < mawk> read() can return 0 then it's EOF, read() can return -1 then you check if (errno == EAGAIN || errno == EWOULDBLOCK) then nevermind the error and stop reading, and if errno is something else then the fd is broken and abort everything
2018-12-07T18:29:16 < mawk> also in the error section the fd is broken too and you can stop reading
2018-12-07T18:29:23 < karlp> mawk: heh, select without error checking is pretty hair pulling risky though.
2018-12-07T18:29:39 < mawk> yeah but it's to make the code seem small
2018-12-07T18:29:42 < mawk> otherwise he won't use it
2018-12-07T18:29:59 < mawk> yesterday I made an example with error checking using cpp exceptions but it was too complex
2018-12-07T18:30:01 < karlp> what's his problem again? unframed, unbounded data on a fd?
2018-12-07T18:30:05 < mawk> yes
2018-12-07T18:30:14 < mawk> he wants to buffer that as soon as possible and look for patterns I guess
2018-12-07T18:30:24 < karlp> fix the far side to frame would be a nice start, 
2018-12-07T18:30:27 < mawk> like delimit using \n for instance
2018-12-07T18:30:29 < mawk> yeah
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2018-12-07T18:30:42 < karlp> but yeah, select/poll the fd with a timeout into buffers, scan at leisure.
2018-12-07T18:30:43 < Laurenceb> its binary data so \n could occur anyway
2018-12-07T18:30:48 < karlp> lurn to select
2018-12-07T18:30:49 < BrainDamage> keep buffering until you find a pattern and shove in a fifo
2018-12-07T18:30:58 < karlp> (or poll, I don't mind)
2018-12-07T18:31:18 < Laurenceb> what is FD_CLR  ?
2018-12-07T18:31:24 < mawk> it's to reset the fd_set
2018-12-07T18:31:31 < Laurenceb> hmm
2018-12-07T18:31:33 < mawk> because after the select call it's in a different state
2018-12-07T18:31:37 < mawk> yes select is ugly
2018-12-07T18:31:44 < mawk> it's an argument used for input and output at the same time
2018-12-07T18:31:50 < Laurenceb> maybe I need <unistd.h>
2018-12-07T18:31:55 < mawk> so after select it's in its output state, and you need to reset to the input state before running select again
2018-12-07T18:31:58 < mawk> yes
2018-12-07T18:32:03 < mawk> man select gives you all the headers you need
2018-12-07T18:34:05 < mawk> it also gives you a code example by the way
2018-12-07T18:34:14 < mawk> for reading from stdin
2018-12-07T18:34:15 < Laurenceb> yeah thats what I used before
2018-12-07T18:34:47 < mawk> yeah
2018-12-07T18:34:56 < mawk> just remove the timeout thing and give nullptr to the timeout arg
2018-12-07T18:34:58 < mawk> if you don't want it
2018-12-07T18:35:12 < mawk> also the code example is a one shot thing, that's why my code example is in a for (;;) loop
2018-12-07T18:35:28 < Laurenceb> hmm still wont compile
2018-12-07T18:35:33 < Laurenceb> cant find FD_CLR
2018-12-07T18:35:42 < mawk> #include <sys/select.h>
2018-12-07T18:35:48 < englishman> maybe ditch all that trash and try it in Go
2018-12-07T18:37:09 < karlp> if anyone's interested in a trip down memory lane, http://www.rscada.se//ipio/index.php?lang=sv has a download of all the schematics and stuff at the bottom,
2018-12-07T18:37:13 < karlp> contains kicad schematics from 2010
2018-12-07T18:37:56 < Laurenceb> what is writefds?
2018-12-07T18:38:13 < mawk> you don't need it
2018-12-07T18:38:18 < mawk> it's for writing to the pipe
2018-12-07T18:38:19 < Laurenceb> so NULL/
2018-12-07T18:38:22 < mawk> yes
2018-12-07T18:38:29 < karlp> have you rad "man select" _at all_ ?
2018-12-07T18:39:47 < Laurenceb> yeah I tried it and it failed aerlier
2018-12-07T18:39:55 < Laurenceb> ok still wont compile
2018-12-07T18:39:58 < Laurenceb> no FD_CLR
2018-12-07T18:40:04 < Laurenceb> I added all the headers
2018-12-07T18:40:31 < mawk> all four ?
2018-12-07T18:40:49 < karlp> pic18f with full parallel bus to 100pin 10meg ethernet part,
2018-12-07T18:40:52 < karlp> the world we used to live in
2018-12-07T18:40:53 < mawk> #include <sys/select.h> #include <sys/time.h> #include <sys/types.h> #include <unistd.h>
2018-12-07T18:42:15 < Laurenceb> yeah
2018-12-07T18:42:33 < mawk> are you on some OSX ?
2018-12-07T18:42:36 < mawk> or you're on linux
2018-12-07T18:42:40 < mawk> you just must have FD_CLR
2018-12-07T18:42:42 < mawk> you didn't typo ?
2018-12-07T18:43:07 < mawk> FD_CLR is just plainly there in <sys/select.h>
2018-12-07T18:43:12 < Laurenceb> wtf
2018-12-07T18:43:16 < Laurenceb> FD_SET is ok
2018-12-07T18:43:41 < mawk> maybe you inserted a non-breaking space by mistake
2018-12-07T18:43:46 < mawk> it happens
2018-12-07T18:44:53 < zyp> pff
2018-12-07T18:44:58 < zyp> Laurenceb never inserts spaces
2018-12-07T18:45:07 < Laurenceb> no its not there
2018-12-07T18:45:31 < sync> hmm, the analog protection is a bit iffy karlp
2018-12-07T18:46:14 < mawk> you got rootkited Laurenceb 
2018-12-07T18:46:36 < Laurenceb> wtf
2018-12-07T18:46:41 < mawk> maybe you need to install libc6-dev
2018-12-07T18:46:44 < mawk> the package
2018-12-07T18:46:46 < Laurenceb> ok
2018-12-07T18:46:58 < karlp> sync: I'm not copying anything from it, just having a look
2018-12-07T18:47:05 < sync> yes
2018-12-07T18:47:15 < sync> I had just a quick look and noticed that
2018-12-07T18:47:15 < karlp> some research on mbus master shitz
2018-12-07T18:47:24 < sync> usually I put a resistor before the diodes
2018-12-07T18:47:36 < sync> so you cannot 420blazeit the protection diodes
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2018-12-07T18:47:48 < karlp> even in 2010 I don't think the design is rational to have been using an external 10meg ethernet controller with a pic.
2018-12-07T18:48:18 < Laurenceb> hmm nope
2018-12-07T18:48:30 < Laurenceb> libc6-dev wasnt installed but the problem rmains
2018-12-07T18:48:42 < mawk> look in /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/select.h
2018-12-07T18:48:47 < mawk> FD_SET is here
2018-12-07T18:48:56 < mawk> maybe it's your Qt that's messing with the include path
2018-12-07T18:50:42 < karlp> how he'd have fdset but not clr is beyond me...
2018-12-07T18:50:51 < mawk> lol
2018-12-07T18:51:21 < Laurenceb> yeah its there wtf
2018-12-07T18:51:35 < Laurenceb> I'll add the exact path
2018-12-07T18:52:01 < karlp> yeah, cos that's clear4ly going to fix it....
2018-12-07T18:52:19 < karlp> if you're doing absolute path includes in c, you're already in your own private hell
2018-12-07T18:52:45 < mawk> yeah
2018-12-07T18:52:50 < mawk> add it to the compiler path instead Laurenceb 
2018-12-07T18:52:57 < mawk> -isystem /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/select.h
2018-12-07T18:53:08 < mawk> because <sys/select.h> includes <bits/select.h> and lots of stuff
2018-12-07T18:53:11 < mawk> you need the whole -I
2018-12-07T18:53:39 < Laurenceb> oh
2018-12-07T18:53:42 < zyp> and naturally it's already in the path, Laurenceb is just fucking up
2018-12-07T18:54:17 < Laurenceb> dunno how to do this in Qt creator
2018-12-07T18:55:01 < Laurenceb> hmf time for some food, bbl
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2018-12-07T18:55:46 < karlp> sync: have a look at the POE.pdf doc, the notes on the resistor in the middle are cute :)
2018-12-07T18:55:55 < sync> yes
2018-12-07T18:56:01 < dongs> honestly with how dumb lolrence/b/ is , im surprised he figured out how to irc
2018-12-07T18:57:22 < Laurenceb> hmm works on my other machine
2018-12-07T18:57:23 < Laurenceb> wtf
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2018-12-07T18:58:29 < mawk> you're rootkited
2018-12-07T18:58:32 < mawk> the NSA is watching you
2018-12-07T18:58:59 < mawk> as a quick workaround you can try __FD_CLR instead of FD_CLR
2018-12-07T18:59:01 < mawk> but it's not a good solution
2018-12-07T18:59:06 < mawk> that include path just needs to be here
2018-12-07T18:59:15 < mawk> and it's not Qt nor anyone that includes it, it's in GCC's internals
2018-12-07T18:59:16 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/PnQPCfRZ
2018-12-07T18:59:22 < mawk> you can't remove it unless you -nostdinc
2018-12-07T18:59:45 < Laurenceb> hmm wut
2018-12-07T19:00:05 < mawk> do            FD_SET(0, &errfds); select(0+1, &readfds, nullptr, &errfds, nullptr);
2018-12-07T19:00:08 < mawk> instead of             select(0+1, &readfds, nullptr, nullptr, nullptr);
2018-12-07T19:00:14 < mawk> you want to check for errors on the fd
2018-12-07T19:00:19 < mawk> like if the pipe is closed, etc
2018-12-07T19:01:20 < sync> karlp: there is some other opensores software iirc for profibus and the like
2018-12-07T19:01:24 < sync> that was actually quite ok
2018-12-07T19:01:33 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/EEDUHAm8
2018-12-07T19:01:37 < Laurenceb> like that?
2018-12-07T19:01:51 < mawk> yes
2018-12-07T19:02:22 < mawk> because you only have one fd you can drop the FD_CLR, but it's still not a solution
2018-12-07T19:02:33 < mawk> there is something fishy with your include path
2018-12-07T19:02:53 < Laurenceb> k I've just swapped to another machine
2018-12-07T19:03:25 < mawk> ah
2018-12-07T19:03:28 < mawk> also don't forget 
2018-12-07T19:03:32 < mawk> also don't forget to O_NONBLOCK *
2018-12-07T19:03:47 < karlp> sync: yeah, there's ones for knx/eib, never needed profibus, but this is explicitly for mbus.
2018-12-07T19:04:01 < karlp> sok, just preliminary investigations
2018-12-07T19:05:34 < Laurenceb> mawk: ok thanks
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2018-12-07T19:07:14 < englishman> RTL8019AS released 2001
2018-12-07T19:07:35 < englishman> no
2018-12-07T19:07:37 < englishman> 1996
2018-12-07T19:08:55 < Laurenceb> mawk: ok it runs now, but loops forever
2018-12-07T19:08:57 < englishman> yeah karlp looks wildly out of date even for 2010
2018-12-07T19:09:18 < mawk> because you're not reading from the fd Laurenceb 
2018-12-07T19:09:24 < mawk> it will notify you as long as there is something to read
2018-12-07T19:09:29 < mawk> so that means it works, congratulations
2018-12-07T19:09:44 < Laurenceb> mah I added https://pastebin.com/YVes7s7T
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2018-12-07T19:10:33 < mawk> char buf[4096]; ssize_t n = read(0, buf, sizeof (buf)); if (n == 0) { /* EOF */ } else if (n < 0) { if (errno == EAGAIN || errno == EWOULDBLOCK) { /* do nothing */ } else { /* ERROR ! */} } else { /* data is good ! */ }
2018-12-07T19:10:37 < mawk> like this
2018-12-07T19:11:09 < mawk> yeah no don't use std::cin Laurenceb 
2018-12-07T19:11:13 < mawk> I don't think it's a good idea
2018-12-07T19:11:16 < Laurenceb> ok
2018-12-07T19:11:21 < mawk> to mix raw fd operation and C++ I/O
2018-12-07T19:11:24 < mawk> just use read() into a buffer
2018-12-07T19:11:27 < mawk> which is what you want after all
2018-12-07T19:11:29 < mawk> even easier than std::cin
2018-12-07T19:12:26 < mawk> add #include <errno.h> to get the errno variable
2018-12-07T19:12:32 < mawk> or #include <cerrno> if you're in C++
2018-12-07T19:12:34 < mawk> it's classier
2018-12-07T19:16:40 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/zUUkKu10
2018-12-07T19:19:14 < Laurenceb> hmm n is always 0
2018-12-07T19:19:19 < mawk> yeah normal
2018-12-07T19:19:22 < mawk> ah
2018-12-07T19:19:22 < mawk> no
2018-12-07T19:19:26 < Laurenceb> the data seems to be there but it cant be handled
2018-12-07T19:19:29 < mawk> where's your array
2018-12-07T19:19:36 < Laurenceb> on stack
2018-12-07T19:19:47 < mawk> size isn't zero right ? it's declared in the same scope ?
2018-12-07T19:19:52 < mawk> you can't use sizeof if not the same scope
2018-12-07T19:19:55 < Laurenceb> yeah
2018-12-07T19:20:03 < mawk> also read() will return zero on EOF, if you have zero you return; or something
2018-12-07T19:20:24 < mawk> maybe you missed the non-zero part because your console got flooded because you didn't ackownledge the EOF
2018-12-07T19:20:52 < Laurenceb> oh does EOF have to be cleared?
2018-12-07T19:21:05 < mawk> not really, you just have to break out of the loop
2018-12-07T19:21:10 < mawk> but you seem to be doing that already
2018-12-07T19:21:30 < Laurenceb> yeah
2018-12-07T19:21:38 < mawk> hmmmmm
2018-12-07T19:21:42 < Laurenceb> I just see it getting called and immediatly breaking out at 20hz
2018-12-07T19:21:47 < Laurenceb> the gui refresh rate
2018-12-07T19:21:51 < mawk> I know why your FD_CLR got wrong
2018-12-07T19:22:00 < mawk> it was supposed to be FD_ZERO, not FD_CLR
2018-12-07T19:22:09 < mawk> so it wasn't that it wasn't found, just failed overload resolution
2018-12-07T19:22:15 < Laurenceb> oh
2018-12-07T19:22:34 < Laurenceb> so I need to change lines 4 and 5?
2018-12-07T19:22:47 < mawk> you can do it, but they're fine with only one fd
2018-12-07T19:22:53 < Laurenceb> ok
2018-12-07T19:23:08 < mawk> try to log to the console at line 20
2018-12-07T19:23:13 < mawk> to see that it's indeed getting called
2018-12-07T19:23:26 < Laurenceb> nah its never called
2018-12-07T19:23:37 < Laurenceb> I set a breakpoint in the packet parser that processes s
2018-12-07T19:24:00 < mawk> and you're piping something into the program right ?
2018-12-07T19:24:03 < mawk> how do you test for that
2018-12-07T19:24:14 < Laurenceb> it works with QTextStream
2018-12-07T19:24:18 < mawk> if fd 0 is /dev/null because you didn't pipe anything then it's quite normal
2018-12-07T19:24:21 < Laurenceb> and same piping stuff
2018-12-07T19:24:26 < mawk> ah
2018-12-07T19:24:29 < Laurenceb> but QTextStream corrupts the data
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2018-12-07T19:25:09 < mawk> so s->append never gets called ?
2018-12-07T19:25:15 < Laurenceb> never
2018-12-07T19:25:25 < mawk> if n is 0 from the beggining it means the pipe is empty
2018-12-07T19:25:41 < mawk> someone emptied it for you
2018-12-07T19:25:42 < Laurenceb> hmm
2018-12-07T19:25:46 < mawk> try to use something else than 0
2018-12-07T19:25:48 < mawk> for the fd
2018-12-07T19:25:51 < mawk> like fd 4
2018-12-07T19:25:51 < Laurenceb> maybe the TextStream is still running
2018-12-07T19:25:53 < mawk> yeah
2018-12-07T19:26:03 < Laurenceb> perhaps I need to kill it
2018-12-07T19:26:16 < mawk> the pipe is empty and closed, also
2018-12-07T19:26:17 < Laurenceb> its used for the config cuz thats done with csv
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2018-12-07T19:26:29 < Laurenceb> oh
2018-12-07T19:26:41 < Laurenceb> if I delete the QTextStream it could close the pipe?
2018-12-07T19:26:59 < mawk> yes, I guess
2018-12-07T19:27:02 < Laurenceb> hmm
2018-12-07T19:27:04 < Laurenceb> doh
2018-12-07T19:27:14 < mawk> and you don't want it closed, you just want it untouched from the beggining
2018-12-07T19:27:24 < Laurenceb> maybe I should delete the QTextStream entirely and use this code for everything
2018-12-07T19:27:25 < Laurenceb> yeah
2018-12-07T19:28:01 < Laurenceb> I'll rewrite the parser to use this code to read everything then convert the headers to QString and pass to csv parser
2018-12-07T19:28:02 < mawk> yeah
2018-12-07T19:28:17 < Laurenceb> maybe QTextStream was breaking stdin
2018-12-07T19:28:20 < mawk> what I'd do is just appending everything I read from the buffer to the QString
2018-12-07T19:28:33 < Laurenceb> yeah ok, thanks
2018-12-07T19:28:38 < Laurenceb> back in a while...
2018-12-07T19:28:47 < mawk> yeah it's not recommended to mix different types of I/O on the same fd
2018-12-07T19:28:56 < mawk> C++ std::cin with fd = 0, or Qt
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2018-12-07T20:10:55 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ04mfAY2BU
2018-12-07T20:12:10 < mawk> Laurenceb do you like networking on linux ?
2018-12-07T20:12:13 < mawk> or did you do any so far
2018-12-07T20:12:17 < mawk> like using ifconfig or ip
2018-12-07T20:12:31 < Laurenceb> nope I usually do stm32 on lunix
2018-12-07T20:12:34 < mawk> a
2018-12-07T20:12:53 < mawk> I'm in a position of being the messiah for network begginers by writing a simpler program than ip
2018-12-07T20:13:00 < mawk> so I'm polling for interest for this
2018-12-07T20:13:23  * antto opens up an ear..
2018-12-07T20:13:33 < mawk> lol
2018-12-07T20:13:49 < mawk> well I wrote a netlink library for my favorite language
2018-12-07T20:14:03 < antto> pls, no sneks
2018-12-07T20:14:09 < mawk> and netlink is the heart of non-deprecated networking on linux, and since it's very complicated /bin/ip is pretty much the only entry point to the netlink subsystem
2018-12-07T20:14:22 < mawk> which snake
2018-12-07T20:14:57 < mawk> snakes are too mainstream
2018-12-07T20:15:04 < mawk> I picked an obscure language
2018-12-07T20:15:14 < antto> on noes
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2018-12-07T20:20:36 < Thorn> All in all, we hope you won’t be so picky as to compare such fine details. — seeedstudio
2018-12-07T20:28:24 < mawk> lol
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2018-12-07T20:34:10 < jadew> "My wife (subsequent-ex) actually said exactly that.  When the videographer stuck the mic in her hand and the camera in her face and asked "what does it mean to you to be married finally" her exact words: "no more blowjobs."  And she was true to her word."
2018-12-07T20:34:31 < Steffanx> Ty
2018-12-07T20:34:36 < Steffanx> Cool
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2018-12-07T20:54:44 < Steffanx> ever figured out what ic it is kakimir?
2018-12-07T20:54:49 < Steffanx> it was*
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2018-12-07T21:05:36 < mawk> some guy at the grocery store asked me if I will protest tomorrow
2018-12-07T21:05:57 < mawk> like it's some sort of résistance against nazis
2018-12-07T21:06:11 < mawk> with secret codes and all
2018-12-07T21:06:59 < Steffanx> wrong channel superbia
2018-12-07T21:07:01 < Steffanx> lol mawk
2018-12-07T21:07:04 < Steffanx> will you?
2018-12-07T21:07:11 < Steffanx> or is this more reason to move to the dutch?
2018-12-07T21:08:46 < mawk> I don't go because I have C++ parsing to do but my gf goes
2018-12-07T21:09:09 < mawk> well the revendications aren't insane, but it's full of leftists and all
2018-12-07T21:09:47 < Steffanx> c++ parsing... you're decyphering blaxters code?
2018-12-07T21:11:13 < mawk> who's blaxter ?
2018-12-07T21:11:26 < Steffanx> laurenceB.
2018-12-07T21:11:36 < mawk> I'm making an OO layer parser for C
2018-12-07T21:11:38 < mawk> ah lol
2018-12-07T21:11:55 < mawk> yeah he doesn't like spaces
2018-12-07T21:13:19 < Laurenceb> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/assets/45881.0/1531068.jpg
2018-12-07T21:14:20 < mawk> it's for a military geoloc device company
2018-12-07T21:14:54 < mawk> eg centimer accuracy, GPS-less stuff, and more stuff
2018-12-07T21:15:43 < mawk> that thought C was plenty enough and C++ was too bulky but now have a unreadable OO layer for C and ask for my services to write some doxygen-like to understand the code
2018-12-07T21:24:14 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1071083985537851392/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1071083985537851392&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.nasaspaceflight.com%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D45881.540
2018-12-07T21:40:16 < Steffanx> bye superbia
2018-12-07T21:40:33 < Steffanx> its friday the day to go out?
2018-12-07T21:44:34 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BrFv5IJnvc3/
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2018-12-07T21:58:09 < englishman> new musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL0ZdIc9XEc
2018-12-07T21:59:21 < englishman> Laurenceb: animated jpg?
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2018-12-07T22:10:23 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BrFq5rghhBa/
2018-12-07T22:11:07 < Steffanx> fuck instagram.
2018-12-07T22:11:19 < englishman> yeah what a bad website
2018-12-07T22:12:06 < Steffanx> and "videos" you cant fast forward.
2018-12-07T22:12:18 < englishman> oh, attn nerds
2018-12-07T22:12:19 < englishman> check this out
2018-12-07T22:12:26 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/h8wMHOy.jpg
2018-12-07T22:12:30 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/YaqGT4q.jpg
2018-12-07T22:14:06 < Steffanx> fancy, but what is it
2018-12-07T22:14:31 < englishman> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2018-12-07T22:14:55 < Steffanx> oh its not your hand?
2018-12-07T22:15:01 < englishman> it is
2018-12-07T22:15:11 < englishman> all i know is, rogers 6002 substrate and edge plating
2018-12-07T22:15:34 < Steffanx> Google things its a number
2018-12-07T22:15:36 < Steffanx> *thinks
2018-12-07T22:15:39 < englishman> http://www.rogerscorp.com/acs/products/34/RT-duroid-6002-Laminates.aspx
2018-12-07T22:16:03 < Steffanx> BrainDamage knows this kind of thing.
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2018-12-07T22:24:21 < Laurenceb> looks like ~10GHz
2018-12-07T22:24:45 < Ultrasauce> all the electrons are gonna fall out of those holes
2018-12-07T22:24:51 < Ultrasauce> shit design
2018-12-07T22:29:51 < kakimir> https://pr0gramm.com/top/2870235 correlation between "hentai" and "python"
2018-12-07T22:31:13 < Steffanx> cool ty
2018-12-07T22:33:51 < kakimir> friend said slush has gone into shit
2018-12-07T22:34:04 < kakimir> big corps overtake
2018-12-07T22:35:57 < Steffanx> > slush ?
2018-12-07T22:36:57 < kakimir> startup event of the year in finland
2018-12-07T22:39:29 < kakimir> time to create "pöhinä" event
2018-12-07T22:41:52 < kakimir> okay it also is drug slang name for metamphetamines.. maybe not the best name
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2018-12-07T22:43:06 < kakimir> I played tinder game today Steffanx 
2018-12-07T22:43:38 < kakimir> got one match that removed her match with me after 5min
2018-12-07T22:44:48 < Steffanx> Try grindr
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2018-12-07T22:45:13 < Laurenceb> mawk: ok tested this code
2018-12-07T22:45:17 < Laurenceb> this is really weird
2018-12-07T22:45:37 < Laurenceb> I can read data once the pipe is closed at the other end
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2018-12-07T22:48:11 < Laurenceb> looks like I will never make stdin work
2018-12-07T22:48:37 < Steffanx> poor stvn
2018-12-07T22:49:16 < Laurenceb> maybe I need some fflush
2018-12-07T22:50:44 < Laurenceb> hmm no luck there
2018-12-07T22:50:51 < Steffanx> Just redo it in methlab
2018-12-07T22:50:55 < qyx> creating filesystem on a flash with 4 sectors of 128K will be hard
2018-12-07T22:51:13 < qyx> Laurenceb: what doesnt work
2018-12-07T22:51:23 < zyp> qyx, depends what features you need from it
2018-12-07T22:51:26 < qyx> char-by-char stdin not working?
2018-12-07T22:52:33 < qyx> I didn't read the whole conversation, just trolling
2018-12-07T22:52:53 < zyp> me neither
2018-12-07T22:52:53 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/VFV2xZZc
2018-12-07T22:53:17 < Laurenceb> it only gets anthing through once the other end of the pipe is closed
2018-12-07T22:53:39 < qyx> Laurenceb: does it have line ends?
2018-12-07T22:55:21 < Laurenceb> no its binary data
2018-12-07T22:56:05 < qyx> zyp: common tasks.. saving some configs, firmware backups, etc
2018-12-07T22:56:22 < qyx> on a F4 internal flash
2018-12-07T22:56:34 < qyx> I know there are multiple other options
2018-12-07T22:57:18 < Laurenceb> qyx: any idea how to do this? Surley its a simple task
2018-12-07T22:57:20 < zyp> making something random write capable is gonna be a bit hard
2018-12-07T22:57:21  * Laurenceb confuse
2018-12-07T22:57:27 < Laurenceb> hmf
2018-12-07T22:58:24 < Laurenceb> see anything that could be causing the issues in my code?
2018-12-07T22:58:26 < qyx> once I was stuck with a similar problem, reading from the terminal which was not in canonical mode
2018-12-07T22:58:43 < qyx> but this is different
2018-12-07T22:59:10 < qyx> zyp: it is doable but the question is if it is feasible
2018-12-07T22:59:33 < qyx> having only 4 erase sectors means at most 75% of the fs is actually usable
2018-12-07T22:59:52 < zyp> yeah, I was just about to write that
2018-12-07T23:01:35 < qyx> and there will be many page movements/gc
2018-12-07T23:02:13 < zyp> that is a matter of write pattern
2018-12-07T23:03:27 < qyx> true, but as soon as your pages start becoming dirty, you have to move something otherwise you will run out of empty pagess soon
2018-12-07T23:04:28 < Laurenceb> hmm maybe I should use a fifo
2018-12-07T23:04:38 < Laurenceb> ok thats what I'll do
2018-12-07T23:04:47 < Laurenceb> unless someone can spot the error in my code
2018-12-07T23:06:18 < qyx> why are you using raw file api?
2018-12-07T23:06:33 < qyx> you have Qt and f* friends
2018-12-07T23:06:41 < qyx> (fread, fwrite, etc)
2018-12-07T23:07:16 < zyp> this is for IPC, right?
2018-12-07T23:07:22 < zyp> why not use something like this: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qsharedmemory.html ?
2018-12-07T23:07:26 < qyx> also, no asyncio in Qt?
2018-12-07T23:08:12 < Laurenceb> well its not necessarily Qt that is going to be talking to it
2018-12-07T23:08:37 < Laurenceb> I managed to make it work with QTextStream
2018-12-07T23:08:47 < Laurenceb> but it would sometimes corrupt the data due to UTF
2018-12-07T23:09:01 < zyp> isn't there a QBinaryStream?
2018-12-07T23:09:03 < Laurenceb> havent had any luck with anything lower level
2018-12-07T23:09:11 < Laurenceb> yeah there is but it breaks with stdin
2018-12-07T23:09:20 < zyp> haha
2018-12-07T23:09:21 < qyx> and QFile and QDataStream?
2018-12-07T23:09:26 < Laurenceb> for some reason QTextStream works
2018-12-07T23:09:30 < qyx> mhm
2018-12-07T23:09:41 < Laurenceb> havent tried QFile but I read it breaks with stdin
2018-12-07T23:09:49 < zyp> I guess you have stdin opened in text mode so you get buffering on line breaks
2018-12-07T23:09:59 < Laurenceb> hmm
2018-12-07T23:10:07 < Laurenceb> I thought that only happened on windows?
2018-12-07T23:10:14 < zyp> idk
2018-12-07T23:10:30 < Laurenceb> ok maybe I'll see how to re-open it on linux
2018-12-07T23:10:36 < Laurenceb> or just add \n to end of packets
2018-12-07T23:10:41 < zyp> haha
2018-12-07T23:10:49 < zyp> at least base64 encode it or something in that case
2018-12-07T23:12:27 < qyx> is the input from terminal?
2018-12-07T23:12:30 < qyx> or
2018-12-07T23:12:35 < qyx> check the canonical mode
2018-12-07T23:12:38 < qyx> and see cfmakeraw()
2018-12-07T23:12:45 < qyx> but I didn't use it personally
2018-12-07T23:13:41 < Laurenceb> hmm
2018-12-07T23:13:45 < Laurenceb> no \n didnt fix it
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2018-12-07T23:15:41 < Thorn> Apollo AGC restoration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KSahAoOLdU
2018-12-07T23:19:03 < Laurenceb> hmm I dont see how cfmakeraw helps
2018-12-07T23:19:59 < Laurenceb> maybe I could create a font encoding thats just ascii for TextStream
2018-12-07T23:20:02 < qyx> it makes the fd less terminal and more raw
2018-12-07T23:20:16 < Laurenceb> hmm ok I sort of see
2018-12-07T23:20:41 < qyx> in case something terminalish makes your stdin non binary
2018-12-07T23:21:44 < Laurenceb> oh ICANON
2018-12-07T23:23:08 < qyx> works?
2018-12-07T23:24:25 < Laurenceb> dunno yet, need to write all the handler code
2018-12-07T23:24:43 < Steffanx> Is stvn ok? Do you know?
2018-12-07T23:29:11 < Laurenceb> nah same as before
2018-12-07T23:30:39 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/V37kRxeZ
2018-12-07T23:30:43 < Laurenceb> ^current code
2018-12-07T23:30:46 < Laurenceb> it works once
2018-12-07T23:30:52 < Steffanx> lol
2018-12-07T23:31:09 < qyx> once?
2018-12-07T23:31:20 < qyx> better than nothing though
2018-12-07T23:32:01 < Laurenceb> oh wait
2018-12-07T23:32:07 < Laurenceb> that was my test script
2018-12-07T23:32:15 < Laurenceb> yeah its working with test script
2018-12-07T23:32:16 < Laurenceb> woo
2018-12-07T23:32:33 < qyx> thank me
2018-12-07T23:32:33 < Laurenceb> 20fps, 60k datapoints/s
2018-12-07T23:32:37 < Laurenceb> thanks :P
2018-12-07T23:32:44 < qyx> \o/
2018-12-07T23:32:47 < Laurenceb> heh 15% cpu
2018-12-07T23:32:51 < Laurenceb> not very efficient
2018-12-07T23:33:09 < Steffanx> depends on the cpu
2018-12-07T23:33:10 < Laurenceb> but no corrupted data unlike QTextStream
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2018-12-07T23:34:45 < aandrew> wow, reflowed my first 3 BGAs... no shorts, commencing hardware testing shortly
2018-12-07T23:35:06 < Steffanx> get to the dentist to get some photos
2018-12-07T23:35:28 < Steffanx> Its cover by your insurance right?
2018-12-07T23:35:37 < aandrew> heh
2018-12-07T23:35:42 < aandrew> no I don't carry medical insurance
2018-12-07T23:35:58 < aandrew> but yeah I have a few dentist friends who would allow me to take a few photos to check
2018-12-07T23:36:06 < aandrew> but the local assembler has an x-ray machine as well
2018-12-07T23:37:11 < Laurenceb> hmm there is no functionality with the Qt app on the other end...
2018-12-07T23:37:28 < Laurenceb> data only arrives once the pipe is closed 
2018-12-07T23:38:54 < Laurenceb> waitForBytesWritten() according to stackoverflow
2018-12-07T23:38:57 < Laurenceb> wtf terminology
2018-12-07T23:39:09 < Laurenceb> why not call it flush
2018-12-07T23:40:47 < mawk> because you didn't do O_NONBLOCK Laurenceb 
2018-12-07T23:40:54 < mawk> did you
2018-12-07T23:41:11 < mawk> also why talking of cfmakeraw
2018-12-07T23:41:15 < mawk> I thought you were using a pipe
2018-12-07T23:41:17 < mawk> not a tty
2018-12-07T23:41:29 < mawk> if you don't O_NONBLOCK the read will block, Laurenceb 
2018-12-07T23:41:34 < mawk> when I said to do it it wasn't facultative
2018-12-07T23:41:49 < mawk> fcntl(fd, F_SETFL, fcntl(fd, F_GETFL) | O_NONBLOCK); before your select loop
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2018-12-07T23:42:49 < mawk> if you O_NONBLOCK you get all the data in due time
2018-12-07T23:43:05 < qyx> and if not you don't?
2018-12-07T23:43:13 < mawk> if not read() blocks
2018-12-07T23:43:20 < qyx> huh?
2018-12-07T23:43:27 < mawk> until either EOF or the buffer hits the specified size
2018-12-07T23:43:27 < qyx> he is doing select
2018-12-07T23:43:29 < mawk> yes
2018-12-07T23:43:34 < mawk> but even with select he needs O_NONBLOCK
2018-12-07T23:43:48 < qyx> why so?
2018-12-07T23:43:58 < mawk> well select doesn't modify the fd, it just tells you when there is data to read
2018-12-07T23:44:11 < mawk> if you read() on it without O_NONBLOCK read() will block until either EOF or the given size has been read
2018-12-07T23:44:32 < mawk> if you give it O_NONBLOCK read() will never block, so just return the available data up to the specified size
2018-12-07T23:45:47 < Laurenceb> hmm ok
2018-12-07T23:45:53 < karlp> common mistake with select code to not do that.
2018-12-07T23:46:05 < Laurenceb> well atm I see no data from the Qt master process
2018-12-07T23:46:14 < mawk> don't do anything with Qt
2018-12-07T23:46:15 < Laurenceb> but data from the bash script
2018-12-07T23:46:20 < mawk> it will interfere with the fd
2018-12-07T23:46:25 < mawk> no stream, no std::cin, no nothing
2018-12-07T23:46:33 < mawk> you don't know what Qt is doing under the hood
2018-12-07T23:46:38 < Laurenceb> ok
2018-12-07T23:46:41 < Laurenceb> so fd==0  ?
2018-12-07T23:46:46 < mawk> for the best predictability I'd just drop the fd 0 and use fd 4, it's not hard
2018-12-07T23:46:51 < mawk> yes 0 if you use stdin
2018-12-07T23:46:56 < Laurenceb> ok
2018-12-07T23:46:57 < mawk> you can use STDIN_FILENO for better clarity
2018-12-07T23:46:59 < mawk> it's equal to zero
2018-12-07T23:47:03 < Laurenceb> k
2018-12-07T23:47:11 < Laurenceb> I'll try that on the slave process then?
2018-12-07T23:47:20 < mawk> try what ?
2018-12-07T23:47:22 < mawk> changing the fd ?
2018-12-07T23:48:43 < mawk> you summon like producer | consumer 4<&0 0</dev/null
2018-12-07T23:48:44 < Laurenceb> the code you pasted
2018-12-07T23:48:47 < Laurenceb> it wont compile
2018-12-07T23:48:51 < mawk> ah
2018-12-07T23:48:59 < mawk> with what error ?
2018-12-07T23:49:05 < Laurenceb> not defined those O_NONBLOCK etc
2018-12-07T23:49:14 < mawk> yeah just man fcntl for the headers
2018-12-07T23:49:17 < mawk> you need #include <unistd.h> and #include <fcntl.h>
2018-12-07T23:49:24 < Laurenceb> hmm ok
2018-12-07T23:49:35 < mawk> if you have such kind of error then it's obviously either a typo or a missing header
2018-12-07T23:49:43 < mawk> so here it was <fcntl.h>
2018-12-07T23:49:45 < aandrew> dongs: you don't happen to have zippy2's number or email do you?
2018-12-07T23:49:54 < qyx> I am assuming mawk is right because he types faster than I am able to think
2018-12-07T23:49:58 < mawk> lol
2018-12-07T23:50:11 < aandrew> haha
2018-12-07T23:50:36 < aandrew> Using ovens to pre-heat PCB's before soldering or de-soldering chips can yield uniform temperature profiles as it warms both the PCB's top and bottom. But one can't  crawl inside an oven and simultaneously perform soldering tasks. 
2018-12-07T23:50:41 < aandrew> lol
2018-12-07T23:51:01 < zyp> then you're not dedicated enough to your job
2018-12-07T23:51:34 < Laurenceb> mawk: ok thanks, but still broken with Qt master
2018-12-07T23:52:02 < Laurenceb> only way to make it "work" http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qprocess.html#closeWriteChannel
2018-12-07T23:52:12 < Laurenceb> waitforbyteswritten does nothing
2018-12-07T23:52:18 < mawk> what ?
2018-12-07T23:52:26 < Laurenceb> this is at the master side
2018-12-07T23:52:29 < mawk> ok so in the master you're using QProcess to summon the slave ?
2018-12-07T23:52:30 < mawk> right
2018-12-07T23:52:32 < mawk> hm
2018-12-07T23:52:33 < Laurenceb> yes
2018-12-07T23:52:42 < mawk> let me see
2018-12-07T23:52:42 < Laurenceb> slave works fine with bash scripts now
2018-12-07T23:52:48 < mawk> yes
2018-12-07T23:52:51 < mawk> you need to tweak it to change the fd #
2018-12-07T23:53:05 < mawk> then all weirdness due to Qt/std::cin will be gone
2018-12-07T23:53:09 < Laurenceb> oh
2018-12-07T23:53:27 < Laurenceb> hmm QProcess isnt a shell emulator
2018-12-07T23:53:37 < Laurenceb> lul do I need a bash script in the middle?
2018-12-07T23:53:38 < Laurenceb> my sides
2018-12-07T23:54:06 < zyp> if you need a shell in the middle, naturally you need to put a shell in the middle
2018-12-07T23:54:34 < Laurenceb> what a shitstorm
2018-12-07T23:54:40 < zyp> but then again why do you need that?
2018-12-07T23:54:53 < mawk> you don't need a shell emulator Laurenceb 
2018-12-07T23:54:55 < mawk> a pipe is enough
2018-12-07T23:54:59 < mawk> but is it really a pipe ?
2018-12-07T23:55:02 < Laurenceb> mawk thinks I need  producer | consumer 4<&0 0</dev/null
2018-12-07T23:55:06 < mawk> yes
2018-12-07T23:55:14 < mawk> then use 4 for fd and not 0
2018-12-07T23:55:16 < mawk> but I'm sure you can do this with Qt
2018-12-07T23:55:19 < Laurenceb> that could only be done using a bash script I think
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2018-12-07T23:55:34 < Laurenceb> I need to be able to spawn loads of these from central Qt app
2018-12-07T23:55:37 < mawk> no, under the hood at some point Qt does a dup2(/*???*/, STDIN_FILENO); call
2018-12-07T23:55:48 < mawk> you just need to make it use something else than STDIN_FILENO
2018-12-07T23:55:53 < mawk> it's probably doable
2018-12-07T23:56:03 < mawk> if it's not doable you have other ways to do it
2018-12-07T23:56:04 < mawk> hmm
2018-12-07T23:56:18 < mawk> in the slave I'd use a constructor to steal stdin before any libc/C++/Qt init
2018-12-07T23:56:20 < Laurenceb> isnt there just a way to flush the data?
2018-12-07T23:56:27 < mawk> and put /dev/null instead of stdin
2018-12-07T23:56:29 < mawk> it's maybe easier
2018-12-07T23:56:32 < Laurenceb> its all buffered within the master Qt process
2018-12-07T23:56:36 < Laurenceb> and never sent
2018-12-07T23:56:45 < mawk> how do you know it's never sent ?
2018-12-07T23:57:17 < Laurenceb> because it arrives once I use closeWriteChannel
2018-12-07T23:57:31 < Laurenceb> I can break and then trigger it and data appears in gui
2018-12-07T23:58:35 < zyp> how long before you give up on pipes and start dicking with sockets?
2018-12-07T23:59:01 < mawk> well first settle the fd 4 issue, it's pretty simple: somewhere in the slave you define this: namespace { [[gnu::constructor]] void steal_stdin() { int devnull = open("/dev/null", O_RDWR); dup2(STDIN_FILENO, 4); dup2(devnull, STDIN_FILENO); close(devnull); } }
2018-12-07T23:59:01 < Laurenceb> heh
2018-12-07T23:59:17 < mawk> then use fd 4 instead of fd 0
2018-12-07T23:59:26 < Thorn> can you work on esd sensitive stuff in latex gloves like that?
2018-12-07T23:59:27 < mawk> no more problems with Qt stealing your data in the slave
2018-12-07T23:59:41 < Laurenceb> mawk: I'm pretty sure thats not whats happening
2018-12-07T23:59:46 < Laurenceb> the problem is in the master
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2018-12-08T00:00:07 < mawk> yes
2018-12-08T00:00:09 < mawk> hm
2018-12-08T00:00:12 < mawk> you don't have a flush method ?
2018-12-08T00:00:22 < kakimir> entertainment plz
2018-12-08T00:00:39 < Laurenceb> mawk: maybe it is hidden somewhere...
2018-12-08T00:01:00 < Laurenceb> as the slave works fine and I can "fix" it using breakpoints I think its the master at fault
2018-12-08T00:01:10 < mawk> yes
2018-12-08T00:03:47 < mawk> commitTransaction() ?
2018-12-08T00:03:49 < mawk> http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qiodevice.html#public-functions
2018-12-08T00:03:56 < mawk> here are a bunch of methods of your QProcess
2018-12-08T00:04:24 < Laurenceb> thats a read
2018-12-08T00:04:44 < Laurenceb> http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qiodevice.html#setOpenMode
2018-12-08T00:06:38 < Laurenceb> nah its protested
2018-12-08T00:06:42 < Laurenceb> ok I'm giving up
2018-12-08T00:06:48 < Laurenceb> thanks for the help anyway
2018-12-08T00:06:48 < mawk> no
2018-12-08T00:06:53 < mawk> you're close to the end
2018-12-08T00:06:58 < mawk> just need to flush that buffer and that's it
2018-12-08T00:07:01 < mawk> you have data on slave
2018-12-08T00:07:02 < Laurenceb> I have to catch a train, back later maybe, thanks
2018-12-08T00:07:09 < mawk> alright
2018-12-08T00:08:17 < mawk> you have QProcess::open Laurenceb 
2018-12-08T00:08:21 < mawk> pass the flags there
2018-12-08T00:08:41 < zyp> mawk, I think we went over that yesterday or the day before
2018-12-08T00:08:49 < mawk> ah
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2018-12-08T01:16:59 < ColdKeyboard> When did STM release these 072-EVAL boards?
2018-12-08T01:17:29 < ColdKeyboard> All project examples are for Keil or IAR... Why not gcc ffs!
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2018-12-08T01:37:13 < englishman> with gcc you are expected to bring your own
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2018-12-08T01:42:45 < englishman> this train is 60 minutes late
2018-12-08T01:42:48 < englishman> might as well fucking walk
2018-12-08T01:46:17 < kakimir> you drive train?
2018-12-08T01:46:27 < kakimir> where are you going?
2018-12-08T01:47:39 < ColdKeyboard> I don't get why would they release code for Keil and IAR but not GCC... Keil and IAR are ridicilously expensive and have propriatery compilers
2018-12-08T01:47:40 < englishman> nowhere, apparently
2018-12-08T01:48:00 < kakimir> it's like they say of train company here
2018-12-08T01:48:03 < englishman> ColdKeyboard on f0/l0, keil is $0
2018-12-08T01:49:54 < kakimir> italian trains operated here have been kind of a common joke for 2 decades now
2018-12-08T01:50:51 < ColdKeyboard> englishman: I know, but it's also useless... The IDE feels like it's from the '90 and it's pain in the ass to navigate and use
2018-12-08T01:50:59 < englishman> "useless"
2018-12-08T01:51:15 < englishman> k
2018-12-08T01:51:40 < kakimir> haven't been on a delayed train for a while but jinxed myself now
2018-12-08T01:54:02 < englishman> huawei CFO spending the weekend in jail
2018-12-08T01:59:22 < jadew> I asked this chinese guy on alibaba, how much 200 nuts would cost
2018-12-08T01:59:31 < jadew> he answers: 200, 0.63c
2018-12-08T01:59:42 < jadew> now I wonder... all of them 200? or per piece
2018-12-08T02:00:01 < jadew> because the PN in the title is from a company that asks 50c/pcs
2018-12-08T02:00:06 < jadew> actually more like 60
2018-12-08T02:00:42 < jadew> sorry, $0.63, not cents
2018-12-08T02:01:05 < jadew> so any interpretation could be valid
2018-12-08T02:05:08 < aandrew> ColdKeyboard: I find it's pretty straightforward to adapt the gcc-arm-cube makefile I have to whatever they're doing
2018-12-08T02:05:19 < aandrew> never used iar, keil is shit
2018-12-08T02:07:18 < englishman> ^ paid by the hour
2018-12-08T02:07:36 < ColdKeyboard> aandrew: I agree, porting to gcc is fairly easy. I'm commenting on STM realeasing sample code for shitty platform and not for gcc which is actually usefull :)
2018-12-08T02:12:07 < aandrew> englishman: lol yes but even on fixed price I find keil a pain in the ass
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2018-12-08T02:26:20 < kakimir> la revolution
2018-12-08T02:26:48 < kakimir> internet says shit hittens the fan this weekend in france
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2018-12-08T03:15:53 < englishman> samtec still fucking me
2018-12-08T03:22:47 < kakimir> media is almost in total silence about france
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2018-12-08T05:04:59 < ColdKeyboard> Can someone suggest a good USB analyzer/sniffer software for Windows?
2018-12-08T05:08:43 < dongs> are you still autisming over CCID?
2018-12-08T05:10:07 < emeb_mac> anyone here ever try jlcpcb?
2018-12-08T05:10:41 < ColdKeyboard> Yeap. I want to emulate a card reader + card data :)
2018-12-08T05:11:28 < dongs> into what, windows desktop?
2018-12-08T05:12:45 < dongs> just take the STM32F0x2_USB-FS-Device_Lib V1.0.0/Projects/CCID sample and replace hardware i/o to a "real" card with whatever you wanna do
2018-12-08T05:12:48 < dongs> simulate T0 or T1 or whatever.
2018-12-08T05:13:34 < ColdKeyboard> That CCID is for retarded Keil
2018-12-08T05:13:42 < englishman> sur emeb_mac
2018-12-08T05:13:44 < englishman> eure
2018-12-08T05:13:46 < englishman> sure
2018-12-08T05:13:49 < dongs> no its not
2018-12-08T05:13:51 < dongs> nigger
2018-12-08T05:13:54 < englishman> i cant use a keyboard but i can order from china
2018-12-08T05:13:58 < ColdKeyboard> Also I tried it and it doesn't work on STM32F072-EVAL board
2018-12-08T05:14:04 < dongs> why wouldnt it
2018-12-08T05:14:24 < emeb_mac> englishman: any good?
2018-12-08T05:14:32 < englishman> same as all the other chinashit
2018-12-08T05:14:59 < englishman> chian tolerances, bad silk, ok alignment, thin enig
2018-12-08T05:15:01 < ColdKeyboard> Not sure, flashed it on board, it reports as CCID device
2018-12-08T05:15:13 < emeb_mac> englishman: heh
2018-12-08T05:15:14 < dongs> so how does that not work
2018-12-08T05:15:17 < ColdKeyboard> however when I plug in their provided smart card it doesn't work
2018-12-08T05:15:19 < englishman> their hasl is total shit
2018-12-08T05:15:26 < englishman> but anything leaded is shit
2018-12-08T05:15:28 < dongs> how are you 'testing' the card
2018-12-08T05:15:43 < englishman> for $2 what do you want
2018-12-08T05:15:50 < ColdKeyboard> dongs: Plugging it in and trying to read it with crapload of software. Every piece of sw finds the reader but can't read the card
2018-12-08T05:16:00 < emeb_mac> englishman: just ordered a 2L HASL. Will be interesting to see how that works.
2018-12-08T05:16:11 < englishman> it'll be fine
2018-12-08T05:18:00 < emeb_mac> englishman: buddy who recommended it did say that the copper pulls up easily during rework
2018-12-08T05:18:10 < englishman> i havent seen that
2018-12-08T05:18:25 < englishman> maybe im pro and just dont know it
2018-12-08T05:18:40 < emeb_mac> probably
2018-12-08T05:18:52 < emeb_mac> I usually don't need to rework stuff
2018-12-08T05:19:14 < emeb_mac> aside from swapping an 0603 part out from time to time
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2018-12-08T05:25:52 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: why use random software? use something to at least get ATR, i have some internal tools  to just send random apdu using WinSCard API but if you actually KNOW what to send you can just SCardConnect/SCardTransmit or wahtever to send random stuff and get replies
2018-12-08T05:30:01 < ColdKeyboard> dongs: I'm trying to create a PoC that I can build on top of later on
2018-12-08T05:30:24 < ColdKeyboard> So basically I want to have a HW, when I press a button it will show that there is a card in CCID reader, when I press it again it will say that card is removed
2018-12-08T05:30:36 < dongs> SCardStatus() will return ATR, so you'll know if card comms are working
2018-12-08T05:30:47 < dongs> yeah PoC of what
2018-12-08T05:32:38 < ColdKeyboard> Making something like custom smart-card reader or Yubikey or so
2018-12-08T06:09:02 < sync> englishman: the hasl I had from them was actually ok
2018-12-08T06:54:58 < Thorn> afaict traces can be relatively easily lifted on any cheap China PCB, be it seeed, jlcpcb or anything in between
2018-12-08T06:57:18 < dongs> yeah
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2018-12-08T07:34:40 < jadew> fusion 360 pros: is it possible to add graphics to an object?
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2018-12-08T07:36:18 < Thorn> what do you mean? like a texture map?
2018-12-08T07:36:35 < jadew> yeah
2018-12-08T07:36:44 < jadew> but maybe created inside fusion?
2018-12-08T07:36:46 < Thorn> or embossed/inset vector graphics
2018-12-08T07:37:04 < jadew> I want to make the graphic that should go on a front panel
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2018-12-08T07:39:25 < Thorn> using a 2d editor is probably best
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2018-12-08T07:40:51 < jadew> not an ideal solution tho
2018-12-08T07:41:27 < jadew> if you could color a sketch, that would be perfect
2018-12-08T07:42:36 < Thorn> can you export a sketch from f360? 
2018-12-08T07:42:45 < Thorn> I don't think so
2018-12-08T07:42:48 < jadew> don't know
2018-12-08T07:43:16 < jadew> can't see the option in the right click menu of the sketch
2018-12-08T07:43:19 < Thorn> afaik sketches are for construction only, not intended to be used on their own
2018-12-08T07:43:27 < jadew> oh you can
2018-12-08T07:43:32 < jadew> you can save as dxf
2018-12-08T07:43:56 < jadew> Thorn, yeah, I want to construct a texture :P
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2018-12-08T07:45:09 < jadew> I can probably extrude 0.01mm and color that
2018-12-08T07:45:31 < jadew> but it seems messy, especially if you want to change things
2018-12-08T07:45:54 < jadew> plus... every line will have to be a closed shape
2018-12-08T07:46:17 < Thorn> https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/fusion-360-ideastation/export-sketches-to-vector-drawing-formats-dxf-dwg-eps-whatever/idi-p/4424677
2018-12-08T07:46:23 < Thorn> status: "implemented"
2018-12-08T07:46:30 < Thorn> for some values of "implemented" lol
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2018-12-08T11:19:21 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDJ6A-0jpkE Dragon Rendezvous
2018-12-08T11:34:33 < dongs> ETA?
2018-12-08T11:39:26 < Thorn> dunno they're ahead of schedule
2018-12-08T11:39:36 < Thorn> they even started the stream early
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2018-12-08T11:41:10 < rajkosto> yo lads, whats the minimum pulse width to trigger an interrupt or a timer on stm32 (the cheapest ones) ?
2018-12-08T11:41:16 < rajkosto> i got this sync signal https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-08_10-39-11_FdVilnDl2.png its at 133MHz though
2018-12-08T11:42:00 < rajkosto> 13.33ns
2018-12-08T11:42:11 < rajkosto> it says Width (H): 15ns
2018-12-08T11:45:14 < rajkosto> arent the timer triggers and such all synced up to AHB bus
2018-12-08T11:45:16 < rajkosto> which is way less
2018-12-08T11:45:52 < rajkosto> i need to use 200MHz sampling clock on logic analyzer to see it
2018-12-08T11:45:58 < rajkosto> its 133Mhz
2018-12-08T11:46:17 < rajkosto> maybe it can be widened by some discrete electronics
2018-12-08T11:47:30 < rajkosto> its 16.66ns actually sorry, i made it narrower instead of wider when averaging
2018-12-08T11:49:41 < rajkosto> a single capacitor might do a thing
2018-12-08T11:50:28 < rajkosto> other than this pulse theres no reason to use anything more than the cheapest STM32F103C8T6 for this project
2018-12-08T11:54:04 < rajkosto> ok and for some sort of interface is there anything cheaper than those 128x32 oleds
2018-12-08T12:02:20 < rajkosto> (the signal pulse actually was 13.33ns at 120hz, its 16.66ns at 100hz, and 26.66ns at 60hz)
2018-12-08T12:05:17 < rajkosto> the solution with the HC132 seems like it would work
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2018-12-08T12:06:57 < rajkosto> but i would need to find 133MHZ capable diodes and NAND gates 
2018-12-08T12:09:03 < rajkosto> its a vsync signal but not a classic vsync that lasts a while, it lasts a single clock cycle of the BUS it's on, which is apparently that fast
2018-12-08T12:09:19 < rajkosto> its the only one ive found to tap
2018-12-08T12:09:34 < rajkosto> i need to strobe a backlight triggered by vsync
2018-12-08T12:09:39 < rajkosto> and its the only vsync thing ive found
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2018-12-08T12:12:14 < rajkosto> or try and run a stm32 at 192MHz that would capture it
2018-12-08T12:15:38 < rajkosto> The EXTI can detect an external line with a pulse width shorter than the Internal APB2 clock period.
2018-12-08T12:15:54 < rajkosto> tEXTIpw Pulse width of external signals detected by the EXTIcontroller:  min 10ns
2018-12-08T12:15:57 < rajkosto> good
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2018-12-08T12:19:56 < rajkosto> well, i get pulse, i run timer for phase delay, then i turn on backlight, then i run timer, then backlight off
2018-12-08T12:21:27 < Thorn> you can make a software counter and test how many pulses you detect in 100 seconds or so vs. how many are generated during that time
2018-12-08T12:21:49 < Thorn> and decide if the detection rate is acceptable (assuming it's going to be < 100%)
2018-12-08T12:46:52 < rajkosto> Cracki, i estimated 13 and 16 by counting how many pulses were recognized as 20ns vs 10ns
2018-12-08T12:47:02 < rajkosto> LA sample rate was 200
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2018-12-08T13:05:46 < rajkosto> so are there any good stm32f103 open source libraries and makefiles or do i gotta cube it
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2018-12-08T14:08:06 < Thorn> this dragon berthing with an 'e' is boring af
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2018-12-08T14:11:23 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/wttAfcRv4HM?t=328
2018-12-08T14:12:33 < Thorn> like the Kurs system in soyuz lol?
2018-12-08T14:13:43 < Thorn> why
2018-12-08T14:13:53 < Thorn> it works really well
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2018-12-08T14:58:20 < Steffanx> Good afternoon crt
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2018-12-08T15:08:09 < englishman> good caternoon
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2018-12-08T15:50:56 < jadew> ffs... for some reason everyone is trying to rip you off if you want to buy a particular type of nuts
2018-12-08T15:51:04 < jadew> $130 for 200 pcs
2018-12-08T15:51:14 < jadew> FROM CHINA
2018-12-08T15:51:21 < Steffanx> dont do that
2018-12-08T15:51:50 < jadew> this type of nut: http://pacificcable.com/photos/SMA-HN8-G.jpg
2018-12-08T15:51:54 < jadew> (just the nut)
2018-12-08T15:52:05 < jadew> it's for SMA connectors
2018-12-08T15:52:06 < jadew> yeah
2018-12-08T15:52:49 < Steffanx> even mouser has them for less than $130
2018-12-08T15:52:57 < jadew> no, nickel plated
2018-12-08T15:54:01 < jadew> the manufacturer of the SMA connector I'm getting, is asking $2 per nut, in qty of 100
2018-12-08T15:54:27 < jadew> still a rip off
2018-12-08T15:54:45 < jadew> it costs cents to make that
2018-12-08T15:54:53 < Steffanx> go to your local diy store and get some random nut then? D:
2018-12-08T15:55:10 < jadew> Steffanx, has to be that thick tho...
2018-12-08T15:55:42 < jadew> and there's also the thread, 36 threads per inch
2018-12-08T15:56:02 < jadew> thing is, you can buy entire connectors for less than that
2018-12-08T15:56:08 < jadew> and get the nuts from them
2018-12-08T15:56:24 < Steffanx> yeah, i was going to suggest that but ... i thought: He can come up with that himself
2018-12-08T15:57:10 < Steffanx> so no gold plated?
2018-12-08T15:57:15 < jadew> no
2018-12-08T15:57:35 < jadew> has to be nickel plated or gray looking
2018-12-08T15:58:44 < Steffanx> Time to get the plating equipment
2018-12-08T15:58:52 < jadew> heh
2018-12-08T15:59:18 < Steffanx> Gold plated you get 50 for < $4 
2018-12-08T15:59:26 < jadew> or I can use them all for a week and the yellow stuff will rub off
2018-12-08T15:59:52 < jadew> I don't think the gold plating is gold btw
2018-12-08T16:00:11 < jadew> (on the chinese ones)
2018-12-08T16:10:23 < Steffanx> idk
2018-12-08T16:11:01 < jadew> found them at 8.4c/pcs, but they're yellow
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2018-12-08T16:16:33 < Steffanx> Just have your customers play  0.33/pcs :P
2018-12-08T16:16:46 < jadew> I need 6 nuts
2018-12-08T16:17:03 < jadew> and you have to add vat to that
2018-12-08T16:17:34 < jadew> what a silly problem...
2018-12-08T16:18:16 < Steffanx> It would be like 2.50 on a product price of .. ?
2018-12-08T16:18:36 < jadew> ~$400
2018-12-08T16:19:24 < jadew> actually this version might be a bit cheaper than that
2018-12-08T16:19:39 < jadew> anyway, I know what you're saying, but I still feel like I'm being ripped off
2018-12-08T16:21:13 < bitmask> man, switching between different apps is killing my productivity.  I keep screwing up pan/rotate/etc
2018-12-08T16:21:23 < Steffanx> dont do that.
2018-12-08T16:26:26 < Steffanx> what apps are you talking about bitmask ?
2018-12-08T16:26:57 < bitmask> altium and fusion360
2018-12-08T16:28:38 < Steffanx> time to go pro and use a 3dconnexion
2018-12-08T16:28:38 < jadew> apparently if you use eagle, it can sync with fusion
2018-12-08T16:28:47 < jadew> and you can have your board updated easily in the 3d design
2018-12-08T16:29:43 < bitmask> well I think my altium work is just about done so hopefully its not an issue for much longer
2018-12-08T16:30:01 < Steffanx> i like my 3dconnexion, got a 2nd hand one for semi-cheap
2018-12-08T16:30:13 < Steffanx> spacenavigator *
2018-12-08T16:30:37 < bitmask> although I tend to start over from scratch frequently when I realize I don't like what I've done :)
2018-12-08T16:30:45 < jadew> man... everyone here seems to have one
2018-12-08T16:30:52 < jadew> I should probably get one too
2018-12-08T16:32:11 < bitmask> looks interesting
2018-12-08T16:32:42 < bitmask> spacemouse or is spacenavigator something different?
2018-12-08T16:33:12 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h8X6lby3UE :P
2018-12-08T16:34:18 < Steffanx> SpaceNavigator  is the old one, spacemouse is the newer one
2018-12-08T16:35:01 < Steffanx> i believe.
2018-12-08T16:38:09 < bitmask> do you agree or disagree with the video you linked
2018-12-08T16:41:06 < Steffanx> i disagree bitmask
2018-12-08T16:41:29 < jadew> thing is, you still need the keyboard for the shortcuts
2018-12-08T16:41:46 < jadew> that's possible too
2018-12-08T16:43:34 < bitmask> wow the enterprise with the display looks neat :)
2018-12-08T16:43:46 < jadew> ?
2018-12-08T16:44:00 < bitmask> https://www.3dconnexion.com/products/spacemouse/spacemouse-enterprise.html
2018-12-08T16:44:27 < jadew> pretty sure nobody needs another thing to look at
2018-12-08T16:44:33 < Steffanx> yeah, it looks cool. until you see what it costs bitmask  :D
2018-12-08T16:44:56 < Steffanx> oh, its actually cheaper than i thought it was
2018-12-08T16:45:47 < bitmask> $400
2018-12-08T16:46:13 < Steffanx> yeah
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2018-12-08T16:46:44 < bitmask> $70 more than the pro wireless
2018-12-08T16:46:58 < bitmask> guess it doesnt come in wireless though
2018-12-08T16:50:49 < Steffanx> how much dust is there on your 3d printer bitmask ? No more 3d print stories lately.
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2018-12-08T16:51:47 < mawk> there are like 600 arrests for now
2018-12-08T16:52:00 < mawk> just having a pool mask or paint respirator is enough
2018-12-08T16:52:00 < Steffanx> is your gf one of them
2018-12-08T16:52:11 < mawk> no
2018-12-08T16:52:39 < mawk> the military police is using armored vehicles
2018-12-08T16:52:53 < mawk> they deployed 106 squads, over 110 on the entire territory
2018-12-08T16:52:59 < bitmask> heh yea its been quiet in the room lately.  I just started designing the case I'll be 3d printing for the pcb's though
2018-12-08T16:53:18 < mawk> but they're afraid of being called fascists so they only use the armored vehicles like snow pusher to get rid of barricades
2018-12-08T16:54:04 < Steffanx> im not sure i get on what side you are mawk
2018-12-08T16:54:27 < mawk> lol
2018-12-08T16:54:38 < mawk> well usually I'm pretty far-right when it comes to politics
2018-12-08T16:54:48 < mawk> but this thing is not only made of leftists
2018-12-08T16:54:52 < mawk> so I support it I guess
2018-12-08T16:56:20 < jadew> isn't far-right what used to be center-left 10 years ago?
2018-12-08T16:56:50 < mawk> a bit yeah
2018-12-08T16:56:59 < mawk> maybe not 10 years, in france it's rather 30 years
2018-12-08T16:57:19 < mawk> it all started with the last great protest in may 1968 I guess
2018-12-08T16:58:27 < Steffanx> we only see the diehard rioting here on tv. Burning cars, people destroying the arc etc. thats no fun.
2018-12-08T16:59:20 < mawk> yeah
2018-12-08T16:59:26 < mawk> well the protest was supposed to be pacific
2018-12-08T16:59:35 < mawk> but a small number of yellow vest feel like breaking things
2018-12-08T16:59:57 < mawk> also a big number of scum from suburbs comes down on the capital to break things like they know how to do
2018-12-08T17:00:07 < mawk> also antifas as usual
2018-12-08T17:00:27 < mawk> all of these stupid people are lowering favorable opinion rates about yellow vests
2018-12-08T17:00:34 < mawk> but still a 80% approval rate with latest polls
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2018-12-08T17:00:57 < mawk> but I think without some violence you don't get what you want
2018-12-08T17:01:06 < mawk> Macron accepted to drop the fuel tax raise
2018-12-08T17:01:16 < mawk> which was the initial thing of that protest
2018-12-08T17:01:32 < mawk> the yellow vest is the emergency vest law requires to have in your car, with a reflective triangle
2018-12-08T17:02:02 < mawk> but still they destroyed the arc de triomphe, they profanated the unknown soldier's flame, etc
2018-12-08T17:02:03 < Steffanx> indeed, but once it involves destroying historic buildings etc. ill not approved.
2018-12-08T17:02:07 < mawk> yes
2018-12-08T17:02:18 < Steffanx> -d
2018-12-08T17:02:36 < mawk> burning luxury boutiques and diplomatic cars was enough
2018-12-08T17:02:40 < mawk> no need to destroy nation symbols
2018-12-08T17:03:10 < mawk> there are videos of yellow vest protesters trying to stop the stupid from destroying the arc museum, or the flame
2018-12-08T17:03:20 < Steffanx> Macron accepted to drop the fuel tax raise > for now.
2018-12-08T17:03:20 < mawk> and setting barriers around it to prevent further destruction
2018-12-08T17:03:29 < Steffanx> isnt it still going to be raise in 2020 or something?
2018-12-08T17:03:39 < mawk> well at first he said there would be a 6 month hold, but after that he dropped it for good
2018-12-08T17:03:44 < mawk> but with ambiguous language that's true
2018-12-08T17:04:02 < mawk> "it is not inscribed to the 2019 budget law." "but can you clarify ?" "it is not inscribed to the 2019 budget law."
2018-12-08T17:04:37 < Steffanx> haha
2018-12-08T17:06:21 < Steffanx> He knows how to be a good politician
2018-12-08T17:06:46 < mawk> yeah
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2018-12-08T17:35:58 < bitmask> when are we gonna have CPUs with 32GB of L1 cache
2018-12-08T17:36:38 < jpa-> when someone figures out an affordable process for multi-layer ICs
2018-12-08T17:36:55 < bitmask> why havent you done that yet
2018-12-08T17:37:10 < bitmask> quit slackin
2018-12-08T17:38:09 < jpa-> but it's saturday :|
2018-12-08T17:38:23 < bitmask> no excuse
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2018-12-08T17:39:11 < jpa-> bitmask &= 0;
2018-12-08T17:39:35  * bitmask iz ded
2018-12-08T17:40:21 < jpa-> stop slacking, no excuses
2018-12-08T17:40:36 < englishman> does anyone cook with kashmiri chilis? are they a lot weaker than regular chilis?
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2018-12-08T17:57:50 < dongs> https://qz.com/1480089/att-just-declared-the-end-of-the-satellite-tv-era-in-the-us/
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2018-12-08T18:17:37 < zyp> makes sense
2018-12-08T18:18:14 < BrainDamage> here terrestrial tv is going pretty strong still
2018-12-08T18:19:12 < zyp> here every fiber ISP wants to sell you a channel package as well
2018-12-08T18:19:52 < zyp> why put up antennas when you can get everything along with the internet
2018-12-08T18:20:05 < Steffanx> Did zyp do laks usb with f4(46)?
2018-12-08T18:20:05 < BrainDamage> the antennas are already there
2018-12-08T18:20:19 < Steffanx> Nevermind. I can look for myself :P
2018-12-08T18:20:21 < zyp> Steffanx, haven't touched f446
2018-12-08T18:20:37 < zyp> but it works fine on both f407 an f401
2018-12-08T18:23:14 < Steffanx> Cool. Will try.
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2018-12-08T18:23:33 < Steffanx> Going for some force feedback.
2018-12-08T18:24:08 < jadew> BrainDamage, that's odd
2018-12-08T18:25:10 < jadew> terestrial tv has stopped being a thing here maybe 20 years ago
2018-12-08T18:25:16 < jadew> *terrestrial
2018-12-08T18:26:09 < zyp> I got tv channels included in the discount package I got from my current ISP
2018-12-08T18:26:18 < jadew> yeah, me too
2018-12-08T18:26:21 < zyp> but I haven't bothered plugging in the tv box
2018-12-08T18:26:59 < jadew> thing is, when cable became a thing, everyone got it
2018-12-08T18:27:03 < zyp> I mean, I tested it to see that I got IGMP configured correctly in my router, but after that it was just in the way so I unplugged it and put it away
2018-12-08T18:27:49 < jadew> we don't watch TV either, but it's installed
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2018-12-08T18:29:36 < jadew> anyone got these fake mitutoyo calipers? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mitutoyo-Digital-Vernier-Calipers-0-150-0-300-0-200mm-LCD-500-196-20-Calipers-Micrometer/32945147138.html
2018-12-08T18:29:41 < jadew> are they worth the price?
2018-12-08T18:30:41 < dongs> they're like $10 on hobbyking
2018-12-08T18:31:03 < dongs> https://hobbyking.com/en_us/hobbykingtm-digital-vernier-calipers-150mm.html?___store=en_us
2018-12-08T18:31:06 < dongs> oh, went up
2018-12-08T18:31:31 < jadew> well, there are $10 and $12 calipers available too
2018-12-08T18:31:39 < jadew> but I want something better than the cheapest
2018-12-08T18:31:43 < dongs> whats so good about the $40 ones
2018-12-08T18:31:46 < dongs> what makes them better
2018-12-08T18:32:01 < jadew> that's what I'd like to know, I assume the finish, tollerance, things like that
2018-12-08T18:32:12 < jadew> flat jaws maybe
2018-12-08T18:32:29 < jadew> if you have 0.01 mm resolution, it better be flat
2018-12-08T18:32:47 < jadew> also linearity
2018-12-08T18:33:04 < jadew> I've read a lot of complaints about the $12 ones
2018-12-08T18:33:23 < jadew> so I'm hoping I can get a good one without paying upwards of $100
2018-12-08T18:33:30 < dongs> the only complaint i have about mine is that if you leave the coin cell in, it will auto-discharge
2018-12-08T18:33:36 < dongs> so i bought a new jap coin cell
2018-12-08T18:33:40 < dongs> and just keep it in the case next to hte shit
2018-12-08T18:33:48 < jadew> heh
2018-12-08T18:33:53 < dongs> for once-twice a year when i need to use it
2018-12-08T18:34:08 < jadew> I have a plastic one and it has great battery life
2018-12-08T18:34:49 < jadew> but it's plastic, so what you measure depends a lot on how hard you push
2018-12-08T18:40:32 < rajkosto> openocd with simple ft2232h jtag pod works for stm32 jtag debugging ?
2018-12-08T18:40:47 < dongs> if you're autistic sure
2018-12-08T18:40:53 < dongs> you mean swd debugging syrely?
2018-12-08T18:40:55 < dongs> surely
2018-12-08T18:40:57 < rajkosto> no
2018-12-08T18:40:59 < dongs> coz why waste pins on full jtag
2018-12-08T18:41:05 < dongs> (but yea it should
2018-12-08T18:41:05 < rajkosto> board already has them exposed
2018-12-08T18:41:19 < rajkosto> dunno how to configure it in atollic truestudio, only gives me options for segger or j-link
2018-12-08T18:41:26 < dongs> samrt
2018-12-08T18:41:27 < dongs> smart
2018-12-08T18:41:36 < rajkosto> im pretty sure i did it some years ago
2018-12-08T18:41:42 < rajkosto> but needed custom scripts
2018-12-08T18:42:05 < rajkosto> and my incompetence levels have increased exponentionally since then
2018-12-08T18:43:05 < karlp> rudestudio should haver options for stlink too
2018-12-08T18:43:26 < rajkosto> every time i try and start a stm32 project i get confused by cubemx
2018-12-08T18:43:46 < rajkosto> there was a tiny library for the 0 series i used some time ago that was way better
2018-12-08T18:44:31 < karlp> also, from your earlier questions, the timers are often on bus*2 spped, so you shouldn't reall yhave any problems
2018-12-08T18:45:36 < karlp> there's libopencm3, arduino, https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/c%2B%2Bhacktastical.list for c++ stuff, all sorts of thigns 
2018-12-08T18:45:42 < karlp> mbed too.
2018-12-08T18:47:05 < Laurenceb124> lel the "el epin STEM 4 UK" project is bust
2018-12-08T18:47:10 < Laurenceb124> they went bankrupt
2018-12-08T18:47:13 < rajkosto> yes andy brown thing is what i was interested in
2018-12-08T18:47:21 < rajkosto> but it seemed to not have the usb stack for the device i was using last time
2018-12-08T18:47:25 < rajkosto> so i hate to use crappy hal
2018-12-08T18:47:45 < Laurenceb124> bloodhound supersonic bankruptcy
2018-12-08T18:50:23 < Laurenceb124> I was looking at their site just a few days ago and wondering how they funded it as all their kit looked to cost megabux
2018-12-08T18:50:26 < Laurenceb124> now we know
2018-12-08T18:59:32 < dongs> what is andybowrnw
2018-12-08T19:00:32 < dongs> < rajkosto> yes andy brown thing is what i was interested in
2018-12-08T19:00:34 < dongs> rajkosto: wat
2018-12-08T19:00:44 < rajkosto> stm++
2018-12-08T19:01:12 < dongs> oh c++
2018-12-08T19:01:14 < dongs> y a w n
2018-12-08T19:01:27 < rajkosto> it beautiful and mostly constexpr so it just compiles to register writes
2018-12-08T19:01:35 < rajkosto> of constants
2018-12-08T19:01:43 < dongs> rajkosto: https://www.lexaloffle.com/pico-8.php you should give up on stm32 and just use this
2018-12-08T19:01:58 < rajkosto> vs lots of chained function calls that just set read values out of structs and then form registers at runtime
2018-12-08T19:02:01 < rajkosto> like stm32 hal
2018-12-08T19:02:23 < rajkosto> thats not real though
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2018-12-08T19:06:53 < dongs> https://www.isro.gov.in/irnss-programme
2018-12-08T19:07:31 < rajkosto> no loo in space ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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2018-12-08T20:04:19 < jadew> great deal on mitutoyo calipers: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00IG46NL2/
2018-12-08T20:04:45 < jadew> still over my budget tho
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2018-12-08T20:13:39 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVXJhrUyuTA
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2018-12-08T20:26:29 < Laurenceb124> https://postimg.cc/xcP4FpX9
2018-12-08T20:30:46 < englishman> karlp: http://i.imgur.com/KFQeXJm.jpg
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2018-12-08T20:33:30 < qyx> what is it
2018-12-08T20:33:48 < qyx> can it be eaten?
2018-12-08T20:33:59 < rajkosto> WARM HOG SLOP ?
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2018-12-08T21:04:00 < Steffanx> catphish is back alive \o/
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2018-12-08T21:07:16 < catphish> i am alive o/
2018-12-08T21:07:30 < catphish> i went on holiday, then i got distracted by some allwiner soc :)
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2018-12-08T21:53:01 < Steffanx> Allwiner soc for what catphish 
2018-12-08T21:54:24 < catphish> Steffanx: trying to make a classic style games console, just for funs :)
2018-12-08T22:05:25 < karlp> heh, nice lofi thermo there englishman  :)
2018-12-08T22:06:21 < karlp> lolrence, context?
2018-12-08T22:06:56 < bitmask> Steffanx you are a fortune teller
2018-12-08T22:07:19 < bitmask> just fired up the 3d printer (after dusting it off of course)
2018-12-08T22:11:55 < Steffanx> :P
2018-12-08T22:36:08 < catphish> my 3d printer is getting a work out lately trying to build a pnp :)
2018-12-08T22:36:29 < Steffanx> I just got reminded of your adventures when i dusted off mine, rob235
2018-12-08T22:40:10 < bitmask> its a 3d printing party
2018-12-08T22:42:45 < bitmask> I still gotta design a mold for a smaller heating panel for my neck
2018-12-08T22:43:33 < bitmask> and I dont know how well this pcb case for the power distribution board is gonna turn out.  then I need a case for the control pcb + extras
2018-12-08T22:50:38 < bitmask> I always tell myself .12 is a good layer height, and it always takes too long :)
2018-12-08T22:53:58 < catphish> i didn't know anyone used layer heights that weren't multiples of 100mil
2018-12-08T22:55:08 < Steffanx> i always use 0.2
2018-12-08T22:57:00 < bitmask> I use .2 for bigger prints
2018-12-08T22:57:24 < bitmask> catphish depends on your z axis.  most prusa clones you want to use a multiple of .04
2018-12-08T22:58:37 < catphish> bitmask: oh, that makes sense, i have a dated but genuine makerbot replicator2, it offers .1 and .2 as the default options
2018-12-08T22:58:49 < catphish> guess it all depends how the z axis steps are set up
2018-12-08T22:59:56  * con3 swears at spi line
2018-12-08T23:02:21 < sync> in soviet russia spi clocks you
2018-12-08T23:04:54 < con3> that's what it feels like rn sync
2018-12-08T23:05:02  * con3 pulls out oscilloscope
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2018-12-08T23:29:27 < kakimir> https://i.redd.it/s88540ir60321.jpg
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2018-12-08T23:32:02 < con3> god damn kakimir
2018-12-08T23:32:08 < Steffanx>  /nick kakimirb
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2018-12-08T23:55:21 < con3> god damn that was a stupid mistake
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2018-12-09T00:00:36 < Hamilton> Is AMD really gonna be better than Intel though...so much hype about it in YT
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2018-12-09T00:02:40 < Hamilton> DidYouKnow: That intel has as minix OS inside its chip which is not usable by user but has access to even network hardwares? AMD has similar things (something something management)...
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2018-12-09T00:12:08 < Laurenceb124> banimir
2018-12-09T00:16:16 < Laurenceb124> muh brexit march 2morrow
2018-12-09T00:16:26 < Laurenceb124> wonder if it will be as epin as the frog marches
2018-12-09T00:22:51 < Steffanx> Thats no fun from a basement.
2018-12-09T00:23:04 < Steffanx> Inside a basement*
2018-12-09T00:24:48 < Hamilton> Steffanx, jesus :D
2018-12-09T00:25:18 < Hamilton> Although he is radio-enthusiast...
2018-12-09T00:25:20 < Steffanx> Where?
2018-12-09T00:25:45 < Hamilton> Steffanx, I mean Lauren probably goes out most of the time
2018-12-09T00:26:06 < Steffanx> You think?
2018-12-09T00:26:55 < Hamilton> Steffanx, Yeah? Ham radio needs like high altitude?
2018-12-09T00:44:48 < Steffanx> Idk
2018-12-09T00:47:11 < Laurenceb124> wut
2018-12-09T00:47:18 < Laurenceb124> I'm not sad enough to do HAM radio
2018-12-09T00:47:43 < Laurenceb124> fat epically loser guys
2018-12-09T00:50:06 < mawk> Lauren Ceb
2018-12-09T00:55:32 < Laurenceb124> ur french right?
2018-12-09T00:55:48 < Laurenceb124> some Frog thought I was a grrrl once and started pming me dick pics lol
2018-12-09T00:57:43 < Hamilton> so frog is not pepeTheFrog but alias for french...#stm32WiseWords
2018-12-09T00:59:09  * catphish sends Laurenceb124 picture of his cock
2018-12-09T01:00:23 < Laurenceb124> wtf he just did
2018-12-09T01:00:25 < Laurenceb124> not opening
2018-12-09T01:01:28 < Steffanx> Must be a 🐓
2018-12-09T01:02:02 < catphish> wow, my computer rendered that chacter beautifully
2018-12-09T01:02:43 < Hamilton> catphish, you mean the lego blocks?
2018-12-09T01:02:46 < Steffanx> Laurenceb. Are you sure he thought you were female? Id assume you were being childish and the guy wad a pedo.
2018-12-09T01:02:52 < Steffanx> Was*
2018-12-09T01:03:17  * Hamilton assumes there is an inter-channel war going on
2018-12-09T01:03:34 < catphish> Hamilton: Steffanx: https://i.imgur.com/5SbGZDW.png
2018-12-09T01:04:02 < Steffanx> Perfectly indeed
2018-12-09T01:06:00 < Steffanx> A cock, mate.
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2018-12-09T01:17:56 < Laurenceb124> https://postimg.cc/HVgbPv9S
2018-12-09T01:20:16 < mawk> yeah I'm french Laurenceb124 
2018-12-09T01:22:47 < mawk> bon jour
2018-12-09T01:23:21 < Laurenceb124> crt is from Ausland, the home of Fritzl
2018-12-09T01:24:06 < kakimir> aööa
2018-12-09T01:24:12 < mawk> ausland means abroad
2018-12-09T01:24:22 < mawk> äëïöü
2018-12-09T01:24:29 < kakimir> apparently french have had that yellow jacket thing going on for a while
2018-12-09T01:24:32 < mawk> àèìòù
2018-12-09T01:24:32 < mawk> yeah
2018-12-09T01:24:36 < kakimir> I have not just noticed
2018-12-09T01:24:39 < kakimir> too busy
2018-12-09T01:24:42 < mawk> lol
2018-12-09T01:24:48 < kakimir> to cuck
2018-12-09T01:24:50 < mawk> it's not spreading to your country ?
2018-12-09T01:25:11 < kakimir> mawk: I'd say never
2018-12-09T01:26:07 < kakimir> the world could be on fire and in finlands status quo
2018-12-09T01:29:00 < kakimir> can't remember if nelson mandela died in prison or not
2018-12-09T01:39:36 < mawk> quit your pseudo-science kakimir 
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2018-12-09T01:41:22 < kakimir> I will
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2018-12-09T01:49:38 < dogukan> hi
2018-12-09T01:54:19 < mawk> h
2018-12-09T01:54:20 < mawk> i
2018-12-09T01:57:53 < kakimir> hello stranger
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2018-12-09T02:17:21 < kakimir> https://pr0gramm.com/top/2874937
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2018-12-09T02:38:23 < Laurenceb124> https://www.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk/people/dr-noah-carl
2018-12-09T02:38:30 < Laurenceb124> kek dat description
2018-12-09T02:44:40 < englishman> China calls on Canada to free Huawei CFO or face consequences
2018-12-09T02:44:52 < kakimir> Laurenceb124: that gui looks like me
2018-12-09T02:44:54 < englishman> looks like im getting out of the biz at the righ ttime
2018-12-09T02:45:03 < kakimir> if he was bald
2018-12-09T02:47:00 < englishman> https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/china-calls-on-canada-to-free-huawei-cfo-or-face-consequences-11013512
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2018-12-09T02:47:33 < englishman> huawei's cfo, who is also the daughter of the ceo, was arrested in vancouver and is being held over the weekend before bail, to be extradited to usa
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2018-12-09T03:09:30 < kakimir> interesting that canada would have balls
2018-12-09T03:10:01 < kakimir> with chinese
2018-12-09T03:10:54 < kakimir> china basically owns the place
2018-12-09T03:15:34 < jadew> does your caliper do this? https://youtu.be/nv3xkJmoQ_E?t=12
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2018-12-09T03:28:55 < Thorn> delta iv launch (apparently already delayed) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBYMZK_YGgc
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2018-12-09T03:53:27 < Thorn> https://spaceflightnow.com/2018/12/07/china-launches-historic-mission-to-land-on-far-side-of-the-moon/
2018-12-09T03:59:57 < jadew> they'll discover the alien conspiracy
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2018-12-09T04:29:23 < mawk> lol
2018-12-09T04:32:05 < jadew> man... I can't make my mind regarding the calipers I want to buy
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2018-12-09T04:32:44 < jadew> I'm torn between the mitutoyo (which I can have for $82 shipped) and the cheap chinese ones
2018-12-09T04:32:52 < jadew> either a $12 one or a $20 one
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2018-12-09T04:37:15 < mawk> take the cheapest that has enough accuracy
2018-12-09T04:37:37 < sync> take the mitutoyo
2018-12-09T04:37:45 < jadew> mawk, there's more to it than that
2018-12-09T04:38:01 < jadew> the cheap ones are more likely to fail or have hidden issues
2018-12-09T04:38:28 < mawk> ah
2018-12-09T04:38:58 < jadew> I guess the fundamental question I have to answer is if I'm willing to deal with that
2018-12-09T04:39:06 < jadew> on one hand I have sure thing, on the other I have a gamble
2018-12-09T04:39:22 < jadew> which might turn out to be good enough or... not
2018-12-09T04:40:46 < mawk> so on the one hand you have $82 for a sure one, and on the other end you have something between $12 and $94 for a sure one too
2018-12-09T04:41:09 < jadew> haha, yeah
2018-12-09T04:41:11 < mawk> (1-p)×12 + p×82
2018-12-09T04:41:15 < mawk> with p the probability that it fails
2018-12-09T04:41:23 < Streaker> It's not a consumable. It's a tool. Buy a good one and use it forever.
2018-12-09T04:42:23 < jadew> that's a good point too
2018-12-09T04:42:36 < Streaker> Or until you use it to drive a screw or pry something open.
2018-12-09T04:43:26 < Thorn> I dropped mine (chinese) back side first and now it won't close fully
2018-12-09T04:44:28 < jadew> my current one is a plastic one and I seem to need an extra digit of resolution and a bit more accuracy
2018-12-09T04:44:44 < jadew> this one can measure even +-0.2 without pressure variation
2018-12-09T04:44:53 < jadew> just repeatability error
2018-12-09T04:45:23 < jadew> (but it's still better than a vernier one, since I can't read it with that much accuracy anyway)
2018-12-09T04:46:54 < jadew> oh, and there's also the fact that the mitutoyo is heavily reduced right now
2018-12-09T04:46:59 < jadew> otherwise I wouldn't be able to touch it
2018-12-09T04:47:42 < jadew> normally, I'd have to pay $70+ more for the same model
2018-12-09T04:49:26 < sync> wat jadew
2018-12-09T04:49:32 < sync> a vernier is good to at least 5/100
2018-12-09T04:49:43 < sync> which is about as much as you can expect from a caliper
2018-12-09T04:50:00 < jadew> we're talking mm or inch?
2018-12-09T04:50:24 < jadew> (I'm talking mm btw)
2018-12-09T04:50:27 < sync> > 5/100 of an inch
2018-12-09T04:50:30 < sync> pls
2018-12-09T04:51:09 < jadew> personally, I can't read it that well, I think 0.2 is the best I can do
2018-12-09T04:51:42 < jadew> maybe 0.1 if I really try
2018-12-09T04:51:45 < sync> what
2018-12-09T04:51:49 < jadew> mm
2018-12-09T04:51:55 < sync> yes obviously
2018-12-09T04:52:00 < sync> but why can't you read it better?
2018-12-09T04:52:02 < jadew> I mean how well I can read a caliper
2018-12-09T04:52:25 < jadew> it's too small
2018-12-09T04:52:49 < jadew> it's hard to tell the difference between 0.1 and 0.2
2018-12-09T04:52:52 < sync> maybe you need to get glasses
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2018-12-09T04:53:41 < jadew> heh, maybe I haven't used one too much to get a better feel
2018-12-09T04:53:55 < jadew> let me grab mine (haven't used it in years, since I got the digital one)
2018-12-09T04:59:38 < jadew> turns out I didn't know how to read one
2018-12-09T04:59:49 < jadew> I just checked mine and figured out what the scale at the bottom is
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2018-12-09T05:01:01 < jadew> so it has a 0.05 mm accuracy, that's nice
2018-12-09T05:01:42 < sync> what did I say?
2018-12-09T05:01:57 < sync> you never realized how the vernier worked?
2018-12-09T05:02:08 < jadew> yeah, not until now
2018-12-09T05:02:40 < jadew> your comments made me think about it so I tried to figure out what that scale at the bottom is :D
2018-12-09T05:03:50 < sync> good
2018-12-09T05:03:54 < sync> then my tactic worked :)
2018-12-09T05:04:05 < jadew> it did :)
2018-12-09T05:04:16 < jadew> thing is, my vernier one doesn't seem great either
2018-12-09T05:04:35 < jadew> it's very stiff, maybe that'll change if I oil it
2018-12-09T05:04:48 < jadew> it seems to get stuck in various places
2018-12-09T05:05:00 < sync> yeah get the crap out and maybe adjust the gib
2018-12-09T05:07:38 < jadew> I think I could read to 0.025 with this if I'm careful
2018-12-09T05:08:57 < Thorn> how do I change repository directory in new cubemx? it's not in user preferences
2018-12-09T05:09:25 < sync> yeah but that is not really what a caliper is made for
2018-12-09T05:10:42 < Thorn> oh ok help -> updater settings
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2018-12-09T05:47:17 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/AeroDork/status/1071597596991467520
2018-12-09T05:47:53 < Thorn> >Over the years, truckers, loggers, and drug traffickers gradually hijacked these satellites
2018-12-09T05:48:23 < Thorn> live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQgm_rWTJuk
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2018-12-09T06:12:25 < englishman> countdown started
2018-12-09T06:15:19 < Thorn> starbucks go?
2018-12-09T06:15:57 < jadew> clicked just in time
2018-12-09T06:16:06 < jadew> oups
2018-12-09T06:16:07 < englishman> whoa
2018-12-09T06:16:31 < englishman> that depends
2018-12-09T06:16:38 < jadew> it didn't blow up yet
2018-12-09T06:17:02 < jadew> ok... so I guess we'll see this launch again next month?
2018-12-09T06:17:37 < jadew> who's going to go to check it out?
2018-12-09T06:17:52 < jadew> and after how much time?
2018-12-09T06:18:22 < jadew> oh, they're trying again?
2018-12-09T06:18:33 < jadew> what was wrong?
2018-12-09T06:21:06 < Thorn> >​A hold was called approximately T-minus 7 seconds due to a problem detected by the Terminal Countdown Sequencer Rack
2018-12-09T06:21:25 < Thorn> nice TCS rack
2018-12-09T06:21:58 < jadew> think they'll try again?
2018-12-09T06:23:59 < Thorn> delta iv seems to have a huge number of delays and scrubs
2018-12-09T06:24:15 < Thorn> sometimes they try several times during a window
2018-12-09T06:24:28 < Thorn> but it depends on the nature of the problem
2018-12-09T06:25:16 < englishman> lack of a decent twitter game
2018-12-09T06:27:31 < Thorn> that's it, they're defueling
2018-12-09T06:28:54 < jadew> they have a guy for every knob?
2018-12-09T06:29:50 < Thorn> lol 1-800 number
2018-12-09T06:31:19 < englishman> chinese won this one
2018-12-09T06:51:07 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BrIxOy5g8-B/
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2018-12-09T08:31:54 < emeb_mac> freaky - ordered pcbs from jlcpcb yesterday @ ~7PM, got email that they're shipped today ~11:30PM
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2018-12-09T08:46:16 < PeterM> whats freaky about that
2018-12-09T08:49:22 < emeb_mac> Never seen a cheap fab house go so fast
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2018-12-09T09:00:14 < jpa-> remember that it was daytime there :P
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2018-12-09T09:03:57 < emeb_mac> crt: just 2L
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2018-12-09T09:24:18 < jadew> I ordered the mitutoyo
2018-12-09T09:26:09 < jadew> after playing a little with the vernier caliper, I realized that the chinese ones will probably have similar finish
2018-12-09T09:26:19 < jadew> didn't mage to make it slide too well even after cleaning and oiling it
2018-12-09T09:45:59 < rajkosto> ok do not connect trst and srst together if making a board
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2018-12-09T10:24:20 < psprint> Anyway, Python is like McDonald's, while C++ is like Subway: in the beginning it can be a bit intimidating to have so much choice, but, once you learn what works and what doesn’t, the result will generally be a better sandwich. 
2018-12-09T10:24:39 < psprint> (a quotation from Quora)
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2018-12-09T11:19:33 < karlp> that's giving a lot of fucking credit to subway....
2018-12-09T11:20:00 < karlp> I don't get it either, python has no choice? wat?
2018-12-09T11:32:37 < jadew> not to mention McDonalds and Subway are making different things
2018-12-09T11:33:13 < jadew> and neither is great
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2018-12-09T12:43:43 < jpa-> both are decent, just like python and c++ both are decent but neither is great
2018-12-09T12:44:10 < jpa-> i haven't really seen a great programming language yet, much easier to find great restaurants
2018-12-09T12:45:35 < rajkosto> is there reliable but cheap ac->12v dc power supplies
2018-12-09T12:46:45 < rajkosto> need more than 1.5A
2018-12-09T12:48:17 < rajkosto> maybe 18.5v laptop power supplies are more plentiful ?
2018-12-09T12:48:58 < jpa-> depends what is cheap to you
2018-12-09T12:49:05 < jpa-> (and what is reliable)
2018-12-09T12:49:17 < jpa-> tme.eu has a quite good selection IMO
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2018-12-09T13:18:54 < karlp> what form factor are you looking for?
2018-12-09T13:26:46 < Streaker> You can get dirt cheap dodgy Chinese DIN rail 12V adaptors
2018-12-09T13:26:53 < Streaker> on Ali.
2018-12-09T13:28:31 < kakimir> get meanwell
2018-12-09T13:29:27 < Lux> or get an atx psu for 12V
2018-12-09T13:30:02 < Lux> it's stuff you have lying around mostly too
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2018-12-09T14:20:13 < rajkosto> karlp, not bigger than laptop adapter
2018-12-09T14:45:59 < dongs> lunix pros, what app/service do i use to put a random command line app to be accessible via telnet on any port
2018-12-09T14:46:18 < dongs> like i telnet nigger.com 5555 and it runs my shit (but including processing telnet codes so console is resized and stuff
2018-12-09T14:46:49 < dongs> yes
2018-12-09T14:46:52 < dongs> no
2018-12-09T14:46:55 < dongs> its aware of console
2018-12-09T14:47:37 < dongs> already seen that
2018-12-09T14:47:42 < dongs> doesnt need to be
2018-12-09T14:47:47 < dongs> that doesnt work cuz netcat doesnt emulate telnet
2018-12-09T14:48:02 < dongs> nc -l -p 5555 -e nigger.app or wahetver
2018-12-09T14:48:11 < dongs> but that doesnt process telnet specific codes
2018-12-09T14:48:20 < jpa-> i usually do that with ssh
2018-12-09T14:49:30 < dongs> doesnt need to be secure
2018-12-09T14:50:03 < dongs> surely all those penis-drawing telnet things where you telnet warez.com 333 and it prints starwars in ascii aren't custom-written to be telnet-capable
2018-12-09T14:50:16 < dongs> or telnet bbses etc
2018-12-09T14:50:21 < dongs> they're just console apps, right
2018-12-09T14:50:32 < rajkosto> they are written to understand telnet codes
2018-12-09T14:50:37 < dongs> usure
2018-12-09T14:50:42 < rajkosto> yes
2018-12-09T14:50:46 < dongs> kay
2018-12-09T14:50:47 < rajkosto> especially bbses
2018-12-09T14:50:55 < rajkosto> because they provide arrow key navigation and everything
2018-12-09T14:51:02 < dongs> right
2018-12-09T14:53:08 < dongs> yuea thats just regular telnet.
2018-12-09T14:53:13 < dongs> but yeah, i got the idea
2018-12-09T14:53:25 < dongs> will fuck around with netcat/possibly curses stuff and see if it can work
2018-12-09T15:00:39 < jpa-> dongs: /usr/sbin/in.telnetd -debug 1234 -L ./test.sh   works for me, with test.sh containing just   #!/bin/bash    /bin/nano     ; the test.sh wrapper is needed to disgard the arguments (ip address etc.) the telnet server normally passes to login program
2018-12-09T15:00:58 < jpa-> atleast stuff like resizing window etc. works through that
2018-12-09T15:01:21 < BrainDamage> yup, you just need to wrap it in a shell
2018-12-09T15:01:38 < BrainDamage> the shell handles the boilerplate for you
2018-12-09T15:01:49 < jpa-> boilerplate?
2018-12-09T15:02:02 < jpa-> not sure what's important about shell here
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2018-12-09T15:02:19 < BrainDamage> handling some escape codes
2018-12-09T15:02:26 < jpa-> IMO it is the telnet server that does the important mapping from telnet codes to terminal codes
2018-12-09T15:03:15 < BrainDamage> also that, but you already mentioned it
2018-12-09T15:03:43 < jpa-> i don't think bash is doing anything there, i don't think it even knows its running inside a telnet session
2018-12-09T15:04:51 < BrainDamage> mmm, on second analysis, you're right
2018-12-09T15:05:03 < BrainDamage> I should stop irc'ing after 2 days without sleep
2018-12-09T15:05:26 < Steffanx> You still make more sense then some others, so no need to stop BrainDamage  :P
2018-12-09T15:06:25 < jpa-> time to get more damage
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2018-12-09T15:30:48 < sync> BrainDamage: why would you do that
2018-12-09T15:31:12 < BrainDamage> stop ircing or skipping sleep?
2018-12-09T15:33:03 < Laurenceb124> I for one welcome our social media javascript app developer overlords
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2018-12-09T15:34:03 < BrainDamage> in retrospective Steffanx, you're right
2018-12-09T15:36:00 < Laurenceb124> >it's a Popular Youtuber, Sargon of Akkad of youtube of Akkad of Sargon of youtube of akkad makes a 1:30 hour video to make a point that could have been said in 1 minute episode
2018-12-09T15:36:32 < Laurenceb124> this meme keeps giving
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2018-12-09T15:48:01 < Steffanx> "they" 
2018-12-09T15:48:03 < Steffanx> ?
2018-12-09T15:55:25 < Laurenceb124> OHHHH TOMMEH TOMMEH ROBINSON
2018-12-09T15:55:29 < Laurenceb124> it begins
2018-12-09T15:56:08  * Laurenceb124 loads up the livestream and gets comfy
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2018-12-09T16:00:25 < Laurenceb124> no shit sherlock
2018-12-09T16:00:30 < Laurenceb124> >being this new
2018-12-09T16:02:46 < Laurenceb124> >tommeh is saving britain now he's leader of UKIP, and with Popular Youtuber, Sargon of Akkad and Dankulas memitic powers they will MAKE ISRAEL BRITAIN GREAT AGAIN
2018-12-09T16:05:22 < Laurenceb124> the memes https://postimg.cc/4HP4SfzZ
2018-12-09T16:05:34 < Laurenceb124> big bus 4 u
2018-12-09T16:08:13 < Laurenceb124> oh wow https://postimg.cc/vxh9tdTx
2018-12-09T16:09:45 < Laurenceb124> this stream keeps giving https://postimg.cc/6TpdBymd
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2018-12-09T16:16:36 < Laurenceb124> ywlts qtards, 4chan, and yellow vests all move to uk https://postimg.cc/fVz3fFQY
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2018-12-09T16:21:09 < BrainDamage> https://ptpb.pw/L-sY.png there, to break monotony of the topic, heart twisters
2018-12-09T16:27:30 < rajkosto> so what is best pin to use for EXTI
2018-12-09T16:28:20 < jpa-> PA0 often has special low-power wakeup capabilities in addition to EXTI
2018-12-09T16:28:31 < Steffanx> Any that supports it? And depending on your needs it could be helpful to pick one that has a single interrupt vector ( some extis go to the same )
2018-12-09T16:29:27 < Steffanx> Yeah, what is x and y BrainDamage? Time "pulse time" and time between a pulse?
2018-12-09T16:32:43 < BrainDamage> just pulse duration
2018-12-09T16:34:22 < Steffanx> hm
2018-12-09T16:36:15 < BrainDamage> a pointcare plot is plot where one axis is element x and the other is x+1
2018-12-09T16:36:42 < BrainDamage> and can be easily exchanged therefore distinguishing them is meaningless
2018-12-09T16:36:50 < BrainDamage> so cracki's comment is garbage, like usual
2018-12-09T16:38:06 < Steffanx> oh, first time i heard about pointcaré :P
2018-12-09T16:39:31 < BrainDamage> it's used to visalise sparse clouds of data points
2018-12-09T16:45:38 < BrainDamage> no, it'd mean a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-degree_atrioventricular_block
2018-12-09T16:47:20 < BrainDamage> in this case it's a sane heart
2018-12-09T16:48:09 < BrainDamage> ... sane sinus rhythm has timing constraints ...
2018-12-09T16:48:17 < BrainDamage> and smoothness constraints
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2018-12-09T17:03:30 < Ultrasauce> Fraudulent ONEness of religious academia has retarded your opposite rationale brain to a half brain slave.
2018-12-09T17:13:37 < Rajko> can the timer inputs handle a 13.33ns pulse as trigger just like EXTI can ?
2018-12-09T17:14:41 < dongs> hm why are common cathode multicolor leds more common than common anode
2018-12-09T17:15:11 < Rajko> why are common cathode 7-segment displays more common
2018-12-09T17:15:19 < dongs> i donno, are they?
2018-12-09T17:15:23 < jpa-> because common anode is easier to drive and more versatile, so i bought them all
2018-12-09T17:15:29 < dongs> pfft
2018-12-09T17:15:30 < Rajko> (because then you can use NPN transistor to easily switch the anode to ground)
2018-12-09T17:15:58 < jpa-> but for 7 segments it's different because they are often multiplexed, so it helps to have the cathode be the high-current side
2018-12-09T17:16:16 < dongs> https://forum.digikey.com/t/common-anode-vs-common-cathode/808 what the fuck why does digikey have a forum
2018-12-09T17:16:16 < Rajko> its 3:1 for the RGB leds too
2018-12-09T17:16:33 < Rajko> easy to just connect common cathode to power supply
2018-12-09T17:17:14 < Rajko> and then you can drive the anode either with gpio or for more current a NPN transistor with base connected to gpio via 10k or similar resistor
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2018-12-09T17:25:06 < Rajko> nevermind i twisted it all around in my head, common anode is the better one im thinking about
2018-12-09T17:30:38 < dongs> right but if i look for two color dip leds
2018-12-09T17:30:44 < dongs> 60+ common cathode
2018-12-09T17:30:46 < dongs> 15 common anode
2018-12-09T17:30:52 < dongs> and most of the 15 are obsolete or disc
2018-12-09T17:30:59 < Rajko> DIP
2018-12-09T17:32:01 < Rajko> get a  6 pin SMD RGB and wire whichever direction you want as common ;)
2018-12-09T17:32:28 < dongs> that'd be cool if I didn't have an existing enclosure to work wiht
2018-12-09T17:34:11 < Rajko> get common cathode and just drive the anode with 3.3v GPIO
2018-12-09T17:34:30 < Rajko> and hope you dont exceed the per-pin and per-chip limits
2018-12-09T17:34:37 < dongs> sure,. right
2018-12-09T17:42:29 < bitmask> hmmm, how to wrap this carbon fiber for hand warmers, decisions decisions
2018-12-09T17:43:44 < qyx> wrap it in alu foil
2018-12-09T17:44:37 < bitmask> I want to keep it like my other heating panels but if I want it surrounding the hand pockets then silicone isnt gonna work well
2018-12-09T17:49:31 < bitmask> hmm, I wonder if ear warmers would work :)
2018-12-09T17:49:49 < bitmask> maybe a strip going from ear, over head, to other ear
2018-12-09T17:50:44 < dongs> autism heater
2018-12-09T17:50:50 < bitmask> :)
2018-12-09T17:52:10 < Steffanx> How many did you meat in irl at that scene you were last week dongs?
2018-12-09T17:52:16 < Steffanx> *meet
2018-12-09T17:52:17 < Steffanx> lol
2018-12-09T17:52:48 < dongs> IRL autists?
2018-12-09T17:52:50 < dongs> probly evryone there
2018-12-09T17:53:15 < dongs> there were even few dudes from eruope there
2018-12-09T17:53:16 < bitmask> dongs meats autists
2018-12-09T17:53:22 < Steffanx> Yeah.
2018-12-09T17:53:41 < dongs> norway + nl + france + i forget some other plcaes
2018-12-09T17:54:40 < Steffanx> btw BrainDamage, did you write pointcaré on purpose? => poincaré :D. Explains why google didnt understand.
2018-12-09T17:56:54 < mawk> point carré
2018-12-09T17:57:02 < mawk> squarepoint
2018-12-09T17:57:41 < Steffanx> Nah, Henri Poincaré.
2018-12-09T17:57:50 < mawk> yeah I know
2018-12-09T17:58:00 < mawk> but that's what poincarré means
2018-12-09T17:58:23 < mawk> but I think it's not point, it's "not"
2018-12-09T17:58:29 < mawk> point means not in old french
2018-12-09T17:58:35 < mawk> not square then
2018-12-09T17:58:45 < mawk> maybe he had a crook ancestor
2018-12-09T17:59:32 < Steffanx> heh, who knows.
2018-12-09T17:59:50 < mawk> he has a cousin who was a french president
2018-12-09T17:59:59 < mawk> raymond poincaré
2018-12-09T18:02:53 < Steffanx> hm
2018-12-09T18:05:15 < mawk> I sold 8 hours for my C++ parsing thing
2018-12-09T18:05:17 < mawk> it's been 3 weeks
2018-12-09T18:05:21 < mawk> and 3000 LoC later
2018-12-09T18:05:34 < mawk> well not really 3000 because there has been a lot of trial and error
2018-12-09T18:05:37 < mawk> and boilerplate
2018-12-09T18:06:04 < srk> olol
2018-12-09T18:06:21 < mawk> so more like 10k
2018-12-09T18:06:21 < srk> parser for what?
2018-12-09T18:06:58 < mawk> C++ code
2018-12-09T18:07:07 < mawk> for some doxygen ripoff
2018-12-09T18:07:15 < mawk> I generate graphics and stuff
2018-12-09T18:08:16 < srk> juicy
2018-12-09T18:08:39 < mawk> so I'm crunching AST nodes
2018-12-09T18:09:15 < mawk> I have a VarDecl containing a InitializerListExpr containing a list of initializers for a specific struct, initializers can be BinaryExpression, UnaryExpression, more InitializerList, DeclRefExpr, and so on for 1000 lines
2018-12-09T18:09:35 < mawk> so for every near-terminal AST branch I have to make a human-readable representation
2018-12-09T18:14:56 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: yup
2018-12-09T18:15:05 < Steffanx> ok :P
2018-12-09T18:15:22 < BrainDamage> same way I accidentally omit the l in public key crypto texts
2018-12-09T18:15:57 < mawk> lol
2018-12-09T18:18:05 < Rajko> wtf is the gpio_analog mode
2018-12-09T18:18:09 < Rajko> vs gpio_in_floating
2018-12-09T18:27:01 < dongs> probly connect to adc for pins that support it
2018-12-09T18:27:07 < dongs> i only used that on F1
2018-12-09T18:27:11 < jadew> or analog comparator
2018-12-09T18:27:15 < dongs>  to decrease power consumption
2018-12-09T18:27:20 < dongs> do that on all pins at boot
2018-12-09T18:27:25 < dongs> then configure needed ones as whatever
2018-12-09T18:27:30 < dongs> it was in some appnote or someshit
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2018-12-09T18:45:37 < Rajko> except ADC is alternate function so you dont even use GPIO
2018-12-09T18:47:35 < Rajko> }GPIOMode_TypeDef;
2018-12-09T18:50:29 < Rajko> so i have to run GPIO_Init even though i use the pin in ADC via alt function ?
2018-12-09T18:50:45 < dongs> what series
2018-12-09T18:51:30 < Rajko> stm31f103
2018-12-09T18:53:23 < dongs> not on F1, but like i said, in all my F1 projects i first set all pins to Analog_In
2018-12-09T18:53:37 < dongs> there's no 'alt function' setting on F1 anyway
2018-12-09T18:53:42 < dongs> not in GPIO_InitStruct
2018-12-09T18:55:03 < dongs> fucking nigger the bullshit faggot sidepanels in altidumb are so fucking rage inducing
2018-12-09T18:55:11 < dongs> for some nigger reason it split properties/libraries panel
2018-12-09T18:55:18 < dongs> and i cant igugre out how to make it a fucking t ab of each other
2018-12-09T18:55:25 < dongs> or just get rid of libraries because fucking trash
2018-12-09T19:03:01 < bitmask> heh the magnets I embedded in silicone turned green...
2018-12-09T19:03:12 < bitmask> might need to pop em out and clean em
2018-12-09T19:03:32 < bitmask> not sure what caused the reaction
2018-12-09T19:03:51 < bitmask> I assume
2018-12-09T19:04:04 < bitmask> whatever neodymiums are coated with, nickel sounds right
2018-12-09T19:04:30 < bitmask> :)
2018-12-09T19:05:07 < bitmask> maybe I'll swap em entirely and reuse the green ones for new castings
2018-12-09T19:20:54 < mawk> green is a nice color
2018-12-09T19:21:13 < mawk> and once it's oxydized maybe it will protect the inners
2018-12-09T19:21:18 < mawk> it's common
2018-12-09T19:31:06 < bitmask> ehh it looks a little funky
2018-12-09T19:43:22 < dongs> Cracki: i know what it is. its fucking awful ux for what should have remained a fucking dialog
2018-12-09T19:43:41 < dongs> and docking/moving them around is buggy in general
2018-12-09T19:50:30 < jadew> dongs, can't you drag one on top of the other?
2018-12-09T19:50:35 < jadew> in the middle or at the bottom?
2018-12-09T19:50:40 < dongs> you'd think
2018-12-09T19:50:46 < dongs> but i have
2018-12-09T19:50:49 < dongs> properties
2018-12-09T19:50:50 < dongs> ---
2018-12-09T19:50:52 < dongs> library
2018-12-09T19:50:56 < dongs> if I drag library title bar
2018-12-09T19:51:01 < dongs> it actually drags 'properties'
2018-12-09T19:51:06 < dongs> fucking buggy shitware
2018-12-09T19:51:39 < jadew> can you separate them if you do that?
2018-12-09T19:51:54 < jadew> have them both undocked
2018-12-09T19:51:57 < dongs> oh gawd
2018-12-09T19:52:02 < dongs> the panels button is buggy too
2018-12-09T19:52:07 < dongs> no, i managed to merge them as tabs arleady
2018-12-09T19:52:14 < jadew> ah, cool
2018-12-09T19:52:18 < dongs> BUT
2018-12-09T19:52:21 < dongs> that breaks the panels button
2018-12-09T19:52:35 < dongs> it doesnt show all the 'shown' panels as checkboxes unless you have the one selected and on top
2018-12-09T19:52:42 < dongs> so i have [properties][libraries]
2018-12-09T19:52:52 < dongs> if prop is selected, librarires doesnt have a shown checkbox in panels button
2018-12-09T19:53:13 < dongs> same for libs. oh well.
2018-12-09T19:53:18 < dongs> this is jsut dumb fail Delphi UI
2018-12-09T19:56:54 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/OXOOzI0.gif
2018-12-09T19:58:07 < Rajko> so my EXTI interrupt is working and im toggling a gpio inside of it 
2018-12-09T19:58:18 < Rajko> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-09_18-57-40_gUa1tASH8.png but some other interrupt is preempting it sometimes ?
2018-12-09T19:58:40 < dongs> systick?
2018-12-09T19:58:51 < Rajko> that is dead time of like 32ms btw
2018-12-09T19:59:17 < Rajko> (each of the upper pulses is 8ms apart)
2018-12-09T19:59:44 < Rajko> ooooh you can do that ?
2018-12-09T20:00:00 < Rajko> i was thinking of having the pin directly trigger the timer if possible
2018-12-09T20:00:00 < dongs> with timers sure
2018-12-09T20:00:04 < dongs> ETR
2018-12-09T20:00:52 < Rajko> however i also need to measure time between pulses so just doing it all in exti handler is simpler
2018-12-09T20:01:53 < dongs> w o t
2018-12-09T20:01:58 < dongs> that is literally waht hardware timers are for
2018-12-09T20:02:03 < dongs> just setup input capture on ch1/2
2018-12-09T20:02:09 < dongs> and you get period measured
2018-12-09T20:02:11 < dongs> automatically
2018-12-09T20:02:18 < dongs> and you can interrupt/wahtever on it if you want or DMA the results somewehre
2018-12-09T20:02:46 < Rajko> https://avatars2.githubusercontent.com/u/18431666?s=460&v=4
2018-12-09T20:03:00 < Rajko> i would prefer to do all this in a cpld/fpga lol
2018-12-09T20:03:13 < dongs> oh this is that autistic thing where too-fast signal is trying ot be measured?
2018-12-09T20:03:19 < Rajko> yes
2018-12-09T20:03:26 < Rajko> its not too fast, its a single clock cycle... at 75MHz
2018-12-09T20:03:32 < Rajko> with my stm32 at 72MHz
2018-12-09T20:03:42 < dongs> overclock it to 124mhz
2018-12-09T20:03:47 < dongs> or 144
2018-12-09T20:04:12 < Rajko> i have F407 which can 2x oversample it in cpu freq
2018-12-09T20:04:21 < Rajko> but thats too big for this purpose of just setting up some timers
2018-12-09T20:04:40 < jadew> lol dongs, what program is that?
2018-12-09T20:04:56 < Rajko> Altium
2018-12-09T20:05:01 < Rajko> the 18 disaster i assume ?
2018-12-09T20:05:03 < dongs> altium of course
2018-12-09T20:05:10 < Rajko> tho its not dark themed
2018-12-09T20:05:14 < dongs> yes 18
2018-12-09T20:05:14 < jadew> how come it's so bad?
2018-12-09T20:05:18 < dongs> of course, that was the first thing I turned off
2018-12-09T20:05:19 < jadew> they made their own interface?
2018-12-09T20:05:20 < Rajko> the 3d view is such a disaster in 18 i hate it
2018-12-09T20:05:22 < dongs> the dumb fucking nigger theme
2018-12-09T20:05:35 < Rajko> antialiasing is off if you are moving the 2d viewport too
2018-12-09T20:05:47 < Rajko> i have a beast gpu let me have it on all the time for that smuth
2018-12-09T20:05:51 < dongs> jadew: waht do you mean? its probly some custom faggot delphi tabbed /dockable panel control shit
2018-12-09T20:06:09 < dongs> Rajko: whatcha talkin about i have no problems with 3D view
2018-12-09T20:06:12 < dongs> i have some shitty quadro
2018-12-09T20:06:17 < dongs> whats wrong with it?
2018-12-09T20:06:22 < dongs> (i dont care about AA/etc
2018-12-09T20:06:24 < Rajko> sucks compared to 17
2018-12-09T20:06:47 < dongs> in what way
2018-12-09T20:06:48 < Rajko> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-09_19-06-21_JKCMno5Bq.png it seems all interrupts are disabled periodically
2018-12-09T20:06:55 < Rajko> oh is it my DEBUG semihosting lol
2018-12-09T20:07:16 < dongs> the only thing that bugged me about 3D view change between like.. V14-15 and sometime after that is they separated view for 3D/2D
2018-12-09T20:07:30 < dongs> before that change, you'd get 3D view same as whatever 2D zoom/position level was
2018-12-09T20:07:41 < Rajko> im printing stuff out on it
2018-12-09T20:07:48 < dongs> now the viewport for 2d/3d is separate
2018-12-09T20:07:56 < Rajko> just a short line
2018-12-09T20:08:27 < Rajko> jtag at 1MHz
2018-12-09T20:09:16 < dongs> sounds like F103
2018-12-09T20:09:18 < Rajko> stm32f103RBT6
2018-12-09T20:10:32 < Rajko> most pins can be EXTI
2018-12-09T20:10:36 < Rajko> other than boot1
2018-12-09T20:10:52 < Rajko> so all the ETR pins would coincide with EXTI
2018-12-09T20:10:56 < dongs> ETR is usually on ch1
2018-12-09T20:10:57 < dongs> of whatever timer
2018-12-09T20:12:15 < dongs> PA0/PA12/PD2/
2018-12-09T20:12:29 < dongs> are  ETR for TIM2/TIM3
2018-12-09T20:12:35 < dongs> are  ETR for TIM2/TIM1/TIM3
2018-12-09T20:15:35 < Rajko> in release mode there are no pauses so it must be the jtag https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-09_19-13-38_tng7YBrjH.png
2018-12-09T20:31:06 < Rajko> one timer expiring in oneshot mode can trigger another oneshot timer without CPU intervention, right ?
2018-12-09T20:33:36 < dongs> probly yeah
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2018-12-09T20:34:13 < Rajko> and that 2nd oneshot timer can be a gate to a PWM generator :O
2018-12-09T20:34:38 < qyx> yeah, set master mode select on the first one and trogger input on the second one
2018-12-09T20:34:45 < qyx> there is an enable input you can use
2018-12-09T20:34:54 < qyx> but check the routing in the RM
2018-12-09T20:35:04 < qyx> there is a table of possible combinations
2018-12-09T20:35:06 < dongs> sounds like you should just string together some nand gates to slow the clock down and just use a 555 for your pwm shit
2018-12-09T20:35:24 < dongs> STM32 not required
2018-12-09T20:35:31 < Rajko> yeah but then its not configurable via OLED display
2018-12-09T20:35:44 < qyx> also, what do you want to do?
2018-12-09T20:36:05 < Rajko> external pulse triggers delay + duty cycle
2018-12-09T20:36:11 < qyx> sample something with a 10ns resolution?
2018-12-09T20:36:20 < Rajko> my external pulse is only 13.33ns
2018-12-09T20:36:39 < qyx> you only want to use it as a trigger?
2018-12-09T20:36:51 < qyx> or you need to measure its width
2018-12-09T20:36:53 < Rajko> i also need to measure time between pulses
2018-12-09T20:36:57 < Rajko> but never its width
2018-12-09T20:37:02 < qyx> ok then doable
2018-12-09T20:47:11 < Rajko> i dont mind using EXTI for the pulse detection even, since its a constant 910ns between input pulse rising edge and gpio toggle in exti interrupt routing
2018-12-09T20:49:35 < jpa-> Rajko: i would use a timer to capture the time of the pulse & to trigger timer interrupt; and then compute the distance in the interrupt like      time_now = TIMx->CCR1; time_between_pulses = (uint16_t)(time_now - time_prev); time_prev = time_now;
2018-12-09T20:51:10 < Rajko> "trigger timer interrupt" ?
2018-12-09T20:52:02 < jpa-> yeah, the timer capture function basically does   "copy current timer CNT value to CCRx register, and then trigger the timer interrupt if it is enabled"
2018-12-09T20:52:28 < jpa-> so then you can read the CCRx register when the interrupt comes and the latency doesn't matter, because the time was captured in hardware
2018-12-09T20:52:47 < jpa-> and you can spend some time in the interrupt, as long as you finish before the next interrupt comes
2018-12-09T20:55:14 < Rajko> i cant use ETR for the pulse input though, so i would have to manually reset the timer in the interrupt code
2018-12-09T20:56:47 < Rajko> what does EXTI "event" mode do, btw
2018-12-09T20:56:48 < jpa-> why would you want to reset it?
2018-12-09T20:56:55 < Rajko> get current count and reset
2018-12-09T20:56:58 < jpa-> no
2018-12-09T20:57:06 < jpa-> let it keep counting, subtract new count from old count
2018-12-09T20:57:14 < jpa-> err, old count from new count, but anyway
2018-12-09T20:57:20 < Rajko> wraparound
2018-12-09T20:57:43 < jpa-> if you set ARR to 65535 so it counts full 16-bit range, you can just cast to (uint16_t) and it will handle wraparound automatically
2018-12-09T20:58:15 < jpa-> (or if using 32 bit timer, you can of course count to full 32-bit range also if you need to measure longer times)
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2018-12-09T20:58:40 < Rajko> yes but if nothing ever resets the timer i might as well just use the inbuilt ARM CPU cycle counter
2018-12-09T20:59:09 < jpa-> only if EXTI is the highest-priority interrupt on your system
2018-12-09T20:59:35 < jpa-> if you have other stuff running that you cannot interrupt immediately, it is better to have the timer capture hardware (which ARM systick doesn't have) to take the timestamp
2018-12-09T20:59:50 < Rajko> but what tells it to "take the timestamp"
2018-12-09T21:00:11 < jpa-> the timer input pin changing state, you can set it to trigger on rising edge or on falling edge or both
2018-12-09T21:00:22 < Rajko> which i cant use as it cant detect a 13.33ns pulse
2018-12-09T21:00:45 < jpa-> it can't?
2018-12-09T21:01:04 < Rajko> someone here said it cant since the timer inputs are sampled at timer frequency
2018-12-09T21:01:09 < Rajko> (or some division of)
2018-12-09T21:02:02 < jpa-> hm, i think it should detect edges shorter than that unless you enable the filter, but now that you ask i'm not so sure
2018-12-09T21:07:28 < jpa-> yeah, looks like that is correct, it is maxed out at timer freq
2018-12-09T21:08:48 < jpa-> (or more correctly, bus freq)
2018-12-09T21:11:27 < jpa-> looks like the minimum pulse width for EXTI is 10ns so that would work, too bad that it can't trigger timers
2018-12-09T21:12:06 < Rajko> 1. make interrupt highest priority 2. use it to just software trigger timer
2018-12-09T21:12:22 < Rajko> same as directly triggering the timer with a fixed delay
2018-12-09T21:12:31 < jpa-> yeah, or just reading systick or whatever
2018-12-09T21:12:46 < Rajko> when i mentioned arm cycle timer i didnt mean systick
2018-12-09T21:12:50 < Rajko> i meant the actual cycle timer
2018-12-09T21:12:56 < jpa-> you mean dwt?
2018-12-09T21:13:21 < jpa-> sure, but i usually leave that alone so that i can reset it when profiling
2018-12-09T21:13:44 < Rajko> i would have to setup a timer just for counting the time between the pulses then
2018-12-09T21:13:59 < Rajko> and i would reset it every time instead of letting it overflow and run continuously
2018-12-09T21:14:03 < Rajko> because i can just use dwt if i wanted that
2018-12-09T21:14:33 < jpa-> makes sense as long as you have only one thing in the system you want to time :)
2018-12-09T21:15:05 < Rajko> plenty of timers left
2018-12-09T21:16:35 < jpa-> looks like STM32F3 high-res timers could detect down to 12.5 ns pulses
2018-12-09T21:31:52 < jadew> is there another website, other than aliexpress or alibaba to buy stuff from china?
2018-12-09T21:32:04 < jpa-> ebay ;)
2018-12-09T21:32:07 < jadew> maybe a way to find and get in touch with the high quality manufacturers?
2018-12-09T21:32:10 < Rajko> dealextreme ? banggood ? those are all stores and not marketplaces though
2018-12-09T21:32:12 < jadew> heh, yeah, other than that too :)
2018-12-09T21:32:26 < jadew> Rajko, yeah, equally bad
2018-12-09T21:32:36 < jpa-> every manufacturer is high-quality in their own opinion
2018-12-09T21:32:36 < Rajko> https://lcsc.com/ ?
2018-12-09T21:33:02 < jadew> Rajko, good idea, I'll check there too
2018-12-09T21:33:14 < bitmask> holy shit I'm an idiot
2018-12-09T21:33:23 < bitmask> I just printed the wrong part
2018-12-09T21:33:28 < bitmask> which I just notice 4 hours later
2018-12-09T21:34:44 < aandrew> amazon as well
2018-12-09T21:34:47 < jadew> Rajko, they only have 3 parts and they look cheap
2018-12-09T21:35:10 < jadew> aandrew, I'm sure I'll find the same crap I find on ebay tho
2018-12-09T21:35:22 < sync> yup
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2018-12-09T22:11:08 < Steffanx> "JANUARY 1979 – REVISED OCTOBER 2018", yay Texas Instruments.
2018-12-09T22:13:48 < karlp> nice, what part?
2018-12-09T22:15:09 < Steffanx> AM26LS31C, Quadruple Differential Line Driver
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2018-12-09T22:16:08 < karlp> what did tehy feel the need to add in 2018?
2018-12-09T22:17:35 < Steffanx> idk, only some info about an update in 2016, where they swapped the vcc and gnd pin
2018-12-09T22:18:06 < Steffanx> (and some older stuff)
2018-12-09T22:19:48 < Steffanx> such friendly voice crt
2018-12-09T22:21:21 < Steffanx> yes
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2018-12-09T22:38:44 < aandrew> so I mounted 3 BGAs (MAX10, STM32 and a SDR SDRAM) ... so far neither the STM32 nor hte FPGA show up in SWD/JTAG
2018-12-09T22:38:48 < aandrew> kind of sucks
2018-12-09T22:39:01 < aandrew> reflowed them a few more times to try to get them to go, but no go
2018-12-09T22:39:11 < qyx> did you turn the power on?
2018-12-09T22:39:23 < aandrew> so before I pull the STM32 off and reball it and try again I'm going to swap clk/io on SWD just to make sure I didn't make a boneheaded pinning error
2018-12-09T22:39:25 < Thorn> stm32 is 0.8mm?
2018-12-09T22:39:26 < aandrew> but I doubt it
2018-12-09T22:39:28 < aandrew> Thorn: yes
2018-12-09T22:39:52 < aandrew> RST# is pulled high, BOOT is pulled low, there's no excessive current draw, just can't see shit
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2018-12-09T22:42:06 < aandrew> and on the FPGA I'm 99.9% sure I 've got all the strapping right but TDO is all 1s
2018-12-09T22:43:15 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/BFENCis.jpg
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2018-12-09T22:45:19 < aandrew> bitmask: degaussing coil and playing with linear motor design?
2018-12-09T22:45:29 < aandrew> nice tablecloth
2018-12-09T22:45:39 < Steffanx> its a bed.
2018-12-09T22:45:46 < bitmask> carbon fiber heater, its my bed sheet :)
2018-12-09T22:45:50 < Thorn> bitmask trademark work bed
2018-12-09T22:45:53 < bitmask> yup
2018-12-09T22:46:15 < bitmask> it will be a glorious day when I get my own work bench
2018-12-09T22:46:48 < aandrew> most people don't make their sexbots out of carbon fiber. you must be into some rough stuff
2018-12-09T22:46:57 < bitmask> you know it
2018-12-09T22:47:20 < bitmask> just trying to stay warm outside
2018-12-09T22:47:29 < Steffanx> !wz bitmask
2018-12-09T22:47:30 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-12-09T22:47:42 < bitmask> !wz long branch
2018-12-09T22:47:44 < aandrew> we have a bot?
2018-12-09T22:47:49 < aandrew> I had no idea
2018-12-09T22:47:51 < Steffanx> !wz andrew
2018-12-09T22:47:53 < englishbot> [Andrews, Texas] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 7.7°C.
2018-12-09T22:47:55 < aandrew> lol
2018-12-09T22:48:05 < aandrew> !wz n2k2r8
2018-12-09T22:48:05 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-12-09T22:48:13 < aandrew> !wz n2k 2r8
2018-12-09T22:48:13 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-12-09T22:48:15 < bitmask> not a very good one
2018-12-09T22:48:20 < Steffanx> !wz waterloo
2018-12-09T22:48:22 < englishbot> [Waterloo, Iowa] Clear. Temp is -0.2°C. WSW wind: 1.6 kph. Humidity: 72%.
2018-12-09T22:48:23 < aandrew> !wz cambridge ontario
2018-12-09T22:48:24 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-12-09T22:48:26 < Steffanx> wrong one.
2018-12-09T22:48:29 < aandrew> !wz cambridge canada
2018-12-09T22:48:30 < englishbot> [Cambridge, Canada] Partly Cloudy. Temp is -6.4°C. Humidity: 59%.
2018-12-09T22:48:33 < aandrew> close enough
2018-12-09T22:48:40 < aandrew> Steffanx: you're in ontario?
2018-12-09T22:48:45 < Steffanx> lolno
2018-12-09T22:48:53 < Steffanx> !wz groningen
2018-12-09T22:48:54 < englishbot> [Groningen, Netherlands] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 6.6°C. SE wind: 7.2 kph. Humidity: 77%.
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2018-12-09T22:49:06 < Steffanx> !wz melbourne
2018-12-09T22:49:07 < englishbot> [Melbourne, Australia] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 18.4°C. North wind: 2.1 kph. Humidity: 61%.
2018-12-09T22:49:10 < Steffanx> awh
2018-12-09T22:49:14 < Steffanx> nice temp.
2018-12-09T22:49:19 < aandrew> was going to say the only other person physically close to me was scared off
2018-12-09T22:50:16 < Steffanx> hm
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2018-12-09T23:19:32 < aandrew> yep it wasn't a swdck/swdio swap. pulling the fucking part off and trying my first reball
2018-12-09T23:21:29 < con3> for some reason the interrupt pending bit is set, but the callback is never called
2018-12-09T23:21:35 < con3> hmm
2018-12-09T23:36:43 < aandrew> well it looked like it had reflowed rather nicely (pulled the BGA off and looked at it
2018-12-09T23:37:04 < aandrew> one of the corner balls (already removed the balls so don't remember which nwo) looked like it was missing the ball though so that could have been a bad connection
2018-12-09T23:38:34 < aandrew> so that could have been VDDA, PB15, PA13 or PE4
2018-12-09T23:38:53 < aandrew> none of which seem like they could have prevented SWD from coming up. maybe VDDA
2018-12-09T23:38:56 < con3> Cracki: enabled interrupts?
2018-12-09T23:44:25 < con3> Cracki: oh yes I have, just checking something quickly
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2018-12-09T23:59:19 < con3> Cracki: eh looks like it's the stop mode, not the interrupt causing an issue. Setting my device in stop mode with wfi, though the interrupt would pull it out of stop mode, but looks like in this mode the interrupts aren't triggered
--- Day changed Mon Dec 10 2018
2018-12-10T00:01:34 < con3> Cracki: going to try that now, not sure why the interrupt isn't waking it
2018-12-10T00:06:43 < con3> thanks Cracki, looking at the link rn
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2018-12-10T00:11:35 < con3> Arguably the most complicated low-power mode available in the STM32L0 series
2018-12-10T00:11:40 < con3> god dammit
2018-12-10T00:22:26 < PeterM> !wz penrith, australia
2018-12-10T00:22:28 < englishbot> [Penrith, Australia] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 25.7°C. SSW wind: 1.1 kph. Humidity: 63%.
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2018-12-10T00:27:32 < karlp> !wz reykjavik
2018-12-10T00:27:33 < englishbot> [Reykjavik, Canada] Clear. Temp is -3.1°C. Humidity: 60%.
2018-12-10T00:27:39 < karlp> damnit, gets me everytime
2018-12-10T00:28:04 < karlp> !wz birk
2018-12-10T00:28:05 < englishbot> [Birkenhead, United Kingdom] Rain. Temp is 8.3°C. NW wind: 4.8 kph. Humidity: 86%.
2018-12-10T00:28:28 < karlp> !wz reykjavik, iceland
2018-12-10T00:28:30 < englishbot> [Reykjavik, Iceland] Light Snow. Temp is 0.3°C. NNE wind: 6.4 kph. Humidity: 91%.
2018-12-10T00:28:36 < karlp> it's s nowing?!
2018-12-10T00:28:47 < karlp> I wonder when that was updating.
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2018-12-10T00:52:02 < aandrew> hm ok lesson 1: after placing 216 fucking 0.4mm balls into the grid, when you heat it the fucking template lifts and everything falls out
2018-12-10T00:52:25 < zyp> are you reballing?
2018-12-10T00:52:59 < aandrew> yes, I pulled the stm32 off and am trying to reball to try again
2018-12-10T00:53:16 < zyp> oh
2018-12-10T00:53:21 < zyp> 0.8mm pitch?
2018-12-10T00:53:25 < qyx> 0.4mm? wlcsp¿
2018-12-10T00:53:32 < qyx> ah no
2018-12-10T00:53:34 < aandrew> 0.8mm pitch uses 0.4mm balls
2018-12-10T00:53:50 < zyp> did it fuck up during reflow?
2018-12-10T00:54:25 < aandrew> when you reflow the balls in the template the aluminum stencil expands like crazy and lifts right up
2018-12-10T00:54:35 < aandrew> and all the fucking balls fall on to the device but aren't melted yet
2018-12-10T00:54:45 < zyp> haha
2018-12-10T00:54:59 < zyp> sounds like you're using the stencil wrong
2018-12-10T00:55:03 < zyp> or heating it wrong
2018-12-10T00:55:04 < aandrew> yes obviously but I'm not sure how
2018-12-10T00:55:30 < aandrew> it has four hex socket cap screws to hold the template down but it doesn't seem like I've got it screwd down hard enough I guess
2018-12-10T00:56:21 < aandrew> hm
2018-12-10T00:56:22 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gplCdxOXyIw
2018-12-10T00:56:25 < zyp> so anyway, why do you need a second attempt to solder the chip, how did the first fuck up?
2018-12-10T00:56:29 < aandrew> they lift it off without heating first
2018-12-10T00:56:36 < aandrew> zyp: well first attempt was with no paste
2018-12-10T00:56:40 < aandrew> ENIG board
2018-12-10T00:56:42 < zyp> ah
2018-12-10T00:56:49 < zyp> did you flux it?
2018-12-10T00:56:49 < aandrew> I'm suspecting there wasn't enough sodler and I had a lot of open connections
2018-12-10T00:56:52 < aandrew> I did yes
2018-12-10T00:56:56 < zyp> hmm, okay
2018-12-10T00:57:38 < aandrew> yep they all seem to show NOT reflowing in the template
2018-12-10T00:57:49 < aandrew> ok so that is my mistake
2018-12-10T00:57:53 < aandrew> MOAR FLUX
2018-12-10T00:58:10 < aandrew> ever try to solder to alu or stainless steel?
2018-12-10T00:58:16 < aandrew> both are ridiculously hard
2018-12-10T00:58:24 < zyp> which stm32 is this?
2018-12-10T00:58:29 < aandrew> STM32F756
2018-12-10T00:58:48 < aandrew> ok, so  that is how it's done and how I'm fucking it up
2018-12-10T00:58:50 < aandrew> not too bad
2018-12-10T00:58:54 < aandrew> attempt #3 now
2018-12-10T00:59:03 < aandrew> this is mostly being done as a learning exercise, I've never done it before
2018-12-10T00:59:24 < zyp> that's where the fun is :)
2018-12-10T00:59:32 < zyp> I should do some bga again some time
2018-12-10T00:59:40 < aandrew> and they reflow with heat under the chip as well using a pro hotplate (not a hotplate but a pro version)
2018-12-10T00:59:43 < aandrew> I'll be using air from under
2018-12-10T00:59:48 < aandrew> ok let's try again
2018-12-10T01:00:19 < zyp> any reason why you're using the bga version of the chip apart from just because? :p
2018-12-10T01:00:57 < zyp> I mean, qfp208 is huge compared to bga216, but on the other hand I don't think you're routing out all 216 balls :p
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2018-12-10T01:02:17 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/vmSgc.png <- this is still so fucking ridiculous
2018-12-10T01:02:33 < zyp> Cracki, 28x28mm
2018-12-10T01:02:42 < zyp> bga is 13x13mm
2018-12-10T01:03:23 < zyp> but the qfp100 is 14x14mm, so unless you need signals you can't get from that, there's no big benefit
2018-12-10T01:03:36 < zyp> why would who do what?
2018-12-10T01:03:59 < zyp> ah, yeah
2018-12-10T01:04:16 < zyp> «fully pin to pin compatible» «Pins 19 to 49 are not compatible»
2018-12-10T01:04:31 < zyp> it's not the first example of that
2018-12-10T01:05:06 < zyp> and it's just shifted a bit, they could have fixed it with bonding
2018-12-10T01:06:55 < zyp> hmm, disregard what I said about routing out all signals
2018-12-10T01:08:09 < zyp> bga216 is six rings, inner two are just power stuff
2018-12-10T01:08:39 < zyp> so it'd be perfectly doable to route it all out on a 4L board
2018-12-10T01:09:08 < zyp> dump the inner rings directly into power planes, outer two routes out on top and middle two on bottom
2018-12-10T01:09:39 < zyp> in general, yeah
2018-12-10T01:11:23 < zyp> 5/5 leaves 16 mil for the vias and 5/5 and 16 mil vias shouldn't be too expensive
2018-12-10T01:14:58 < PeterM> arent 16mil vias standard these days?
2018-12-10T01:15:03 < PeterM> (or 0.2mm)
2018-12-10T01:15:10 < zyp> probably
2018-12-10T01:16:19 < zyp> I'm looking at oshpark specs now just to establish a baseline, they are 5/5 with 18mil vias, but they also write that you can probably go below the annular ring spec by one mil without any problem, which is effectively 16 mil
2018-12-10T01:17:04 < PeterM> the 0.8mm bga stm32s are quite easy to route, if i recall correctly, because of the missing ring of balls you can route like 90% of the balls even on 2l
2018-12-10T01:18:58 < zyp> bga216 is a 15x15 grid with only the center 3x3 missing
2018-12-10T01:20:20 < PeterM> yeah, i was thinking of the 176ufbgas
2018-12-10T01:22:46 < PeterM> wait nope, i guess my memory is shit, they're 0.65mm
2018-12-10T01:27:59 < zyp> hrm, I'm out of books to read again, anybody got anything to recommend now?
2018-12-10T01:30:28 < karlp> what ar ebooks again?
2018-12-10T01:30:32 < zyp> I walked through a bookstore the other day, noticed they had a new book by murakami, but I'm not sure I'm in the mood to start on that now
2018-12-10T01:52:39 < fenugrec> zyp, the Hornblower series ? IIRC a bit predictable but a fun read nonetheless
2018-12-10T02:11:00 < karlp> Thorn: or Ultrasauce : whichever ofyou suggested, "grails" thanks, it's pretty nice, finally got around to it.
2018-12-10T02:11:44 < dongs> what
2018-12-10T02:11:50 < dongs> grails is some java filth is not?
2018-12-10T02:12:35 < karlp> it is, but not that :) this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69sQ3N9ZVUo
2018-12-10T02:14:23 < dongs> what is this some ambient shit?
2018-12-10T02:15:08 < aandrew> zyp: space
2018-12-10T02:15:17 < aandrew> need some space and the pinned versions were too large
2018-12-10T02:15:28 < aandrew> and the WLCSP was just a little too fine pitch for the rest of the board
2018-12-10T02:15:51 < aandrew> anyway -- this time it worked better but I fucked it up because I got impatient and tried the hot air with the lowest air setting
2018-12-10T02:16:02 < aandrew> so another reball attempt is about to begin
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2018-12-10T02:41:33 < bitmask> my room and I are covered in silicone
2018-12-10T02:46:06 < bitmask> a little messy (a few magnets poked through and the carbon fiber for the top one wasn't centered and is almost poking through) but thats fixable
2018-12-10T02:46:07 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/ow2DIH7.png
2018-12-10T03:24:55 < aandrew> ok attempt number what, five?
2018-12-10T03:25:00 < aandrew> reflowing in the oven now
2018-12-10T03:27:41 < aandrew> well that reflowed almost immediately which is great but several balls touched
2018-12-10T03:27:45 < aandrew> I'll see if I can touch up only those areas
2018-12-10T03:27:51 < aandrew> that was MUCH more successful
2018-12-10T03:34:37 < Thorn> has anyone made a bytecode interpreter / virtual machine on cortex-m?
2018-12-10T03:40:44 < aandrew> this part might almost be usable
2018-12-10T03:51:52 < aandrew> motherfucker
2018-12-10T03:52:00 < aandrew> these last 4 balls just do not want to go
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2018-12-10T04:36:19 < aandrew> nope. still no go
2018-12-10T04:36:36 < aandrew> I'm pretty sure that reflow should have worked
2018-12-10T04:36:49 < aandrew> now I'm getting a little nervous
2018-12-10T04:36:51 < dongs> RIP, is this your $5000 fpga proj
2018-12-10T04:36:58 < aandrew> yeah
2018-12-10T04:37:02 < dongs> wahts wrong with it?
2018-12-10T04:37:05 < dongs> did you get the main boards fabbed?
2018-12-10T04:37:11 < aandrew> STM32 won't come up in SWD, FPGA doesn't show up in JTAG
2018-12-10T04:37:45 < dongs> RIP
2018-12-10T04:37:51 < aandrew> power supplies look good, operate well under load. nothing's getting hot, fixed a minor mistake in JTAG which was causing the TDI to only go down to ~1.5V
2018-12-10T04:38:18 < aandrew> reflowed both, then removed the STM32 and spent all fucking afternoon learning how to reball half assedly, put it back on, exact same result
2018-12-10T04:38:59 < Thorn> I'd assemble stm32 with minimum components (no onboard dc/dc) on a fresh pcb
2018-12-10T04:39:04 < ds2> is there a easy way to reball?
2018-12-10T04:39:08 < aandrew> lol no
2018-12-10T04:39:15 < ds2> blah
2018-12-10T04:39:58 < Thorn> and measure its current
2018-12-10T04:40:15 < Thorn> is it coming out of POR 
2018-12-10T04:40:18 < aandrew> ds2: basically you clean the part, lay down a thin (THIN) layer of flux, use the template and jig to put balls on it, spend a good amount of time fucking aroudn with that, then pull the template off, spent another few minutes making sure all the balls are where they should be on the part, carefully bring it over to reflow and cook them on, then spend another few iterations fixing up any bridged balls
2018-12-10T04:40:55 < aandrew> I think I've got it half-assed down now that I would consider myself good enough to not be afraid of it but it's finicky fucky work
2018-12-10T04:41:14 < aandrew> Thorn: yeah I have 9 full panels in assembly, this was my partial hand assembly
2018-12-10T04:41:27 < aandrew> it's entirely possible I'm missing some critical component but I am pretty sure that's not the case
2018-12-10T04:41:33 < ds2> that is making assembly houses look cheap
2018-12-10T04:41:44 < aandrew> and the fact that both STM32 and FPGA aren't coming up is worrying
2018-12-10T04:41:54 < aandrew> ds2: well this was done specifically as a learning experience
2018-12-10T04:41:58 < Thorn> btw have you measured Vcap pins?
2018-12-10T04:41:58 < ds2> any hard shorts on the power rails to ground?
2018-12-10T04:42:10 < aandrew> but yes, if you have to reball something it better be worth at least $250 in time
2018-12-10T04:42:42 < ds2> aandrew: *nod* I thought about it but having an unproven design, unproven temp profile is too many variables for me
2018-12-10T04:43:04 < ds2> assembly houses can reball and mount for like $150ish
2018-12-10T04:43:07 < aandrew> Thorn: one moment let me check it
2018-12-10T04:43:22 < aandrew> ds2: yeah that's why I'm saying for me it's not worth it unless you're doing it for love/curiosity
2018-12-10T04:43:52 < aandrew> a $15 stm32 isn't worth it unless you can't get it done properly / get new parts in time
2018-12-10T04:44:15 < ds2> aandrew: I am doing something like that but going to break it up into stages - first one is an assembly house job to rule out my process then will do another with my process once the design is proven
2018-12-10T04:44:25 < aandrew> oh for sure
2018-12-10T04:44:30 < aandrew> this is the very first board very first bringup
2018-12-10T04:44:41 < aandrew> I hand-assembled just enough to test the power supplies
2018-12-10T04:44:44 < dongs> youre not gonna fry any STM32s with a wrong temp prfile lols
2018-12-10T04:44:44 < aandrew> they all seem good
2018-12-10T04:44:52 < ds2> yes too many variables = quick way to go bald or get a new dent in your bench ;)
2018-12-10T04:45:05 < ds2> dongs: not fry but bad joints
2018-12-10T04:45:09 < aandrew> so I then went and said "well it's gonna be like 2w to get boards, may as well try and see"
2018-12-10T04:45:13 < ds2> opens and shorts are just as frustrating
2018-12-10T04:45:18 < dongs> i thought thats why he paid a pro pcba palce to do it
2018-12-10T04:45:32 < ds2> no xrays handy
2018-12-10T04:45:33 < aandrew> PDR_ON is grounded and BYPASS_REG is connected to +3.3
2018-12-10T04:45:38 < aandrew> now you watch one of those is wrong
2018-12-10T04:45:39 < dongs> aandrew: how does xray look
2018-12-10T04:45:48 < aandrew> dongs: haven't done it, I only did this on friday 
2018-12-10T04:45:49 < dongs> oh, shit, is it one of those STMs where y ou can fuck up by not placing vcap or someshit
2018-12-10T04:45:59 < dongs> screenshot of stm schematic plox
2018-12-10T04:46:00 < aandrew> STM32F756
2018-12-10T04:46:02 < dongs> ill tell you if you fucked it up
2018-12-10T04:47:40 < dongs> in 216-bga?
2018-12-10T04:47:43 < aandrew> "power supply supervisor is enabled with PDR_ON high" -- mine is grounded, which just means no internal reset
2018-12-10T04:47:46 < aandrew> yeah
2018-12-10T04:47:56 < aandrew> dongs: yeah 0.8mm 216 ball BGA yes
2018-12-10T04:48:17 < dongs> umm
2018-12-10T04:48:18 < aandrew> so PDR_ON grounded is not bad for me
2018-12-10T04:48:21 < dongs> why would you disable PDR
2018-12-10T04:48:47 < aandrew> no idea tbh, I have no clear reason for it
2018-12-10T04:49:19 < dongs> you shouldnt have fucke wiht it
2018-12-10T04:49:23 < dongs> wheres cscreenshto of the shit
2018-12-10T04:49:34 < aandrew> hm, this byass_reg being 3.3v sounds bad though
2018-12-10T04:49:41 < aandrew> might have to supply 1.2V on VCAP
2018-12-10T04:49:43 < aandrew> on moment dongs
2018-12-10T04:49:59 < dongs> is _REG low? or floating
2018-12-10T04:50:11 < aandrew> BYPASS_REG is tied high (to 3.3v)
2018-12-10T04:50:19 < dongs> oh, youre fucked then
2018-12-10T04:50:36 < dongs> you need 1.2V for core at vcap
2018-12-10T04:50:45 < aandrew> I bet what happened is I swapped packages (I was on WLCSP) and I bet those two should be swapped; PDR to 3.3 and REG to GND
2018-12-10T04:50:59 < aandrew> nah this isn't terrible, I have 1.2V Vcore for the FPGA
2018-12-10T04:51:03 < aandrew> I'll just flywire the shit and try again
2018-12-10T04:51:25 < aandrew> yep that is it I bet
2018-12-10T04:51:30 < aandrew> fuck I hope so
2018-12-10T04:52:41 < dongs> you fucked it up pretty bad, i take it you cant easily change it?
2018-12-10T04:52:55 < dongs> i mean untie vreg_bypass from gnd
2018-12-10T04:52:58 < dongs> err vcc
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2018-12-10T04:53:38 < dongs> hope youre not using PA0
2018-12-10T04:53:53 < dongs> because it becomes a reset pin for 1.2 domain in that mode
2018-12-10T04:54:17 < aandrew> PA0 I was usign for an optional wakeup
2018-12-10T04:54:20 < aandrew> so no not a big dela
2018-12-10T04:54:21 < aandrew> deal
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2018-12-10T04:54:49 < aandrew> actually I was using it for an analog input (wtf, I always save PA0)
2018-12-10T04:54:54 < aandrew> but it's optional so no big deal
2018-12-10T04:54:59 < aandrew> fuck let's hope this is it
2018-12-10T04:56:07 < dongs> next time dont do that, bypass reg stuff is for an extremely edge case where you think you can do better job low-powering your shit than internal vreg
2018-12-10T04:57:32 < Thorn> why would someone care about low power when there is an fpga on the board
2018-12-10T04:57:49 < Thorn> unless there's a mode where the fpga is completely shut down
2018-12-10T04:58:08 < dongs> i think he just fucked up
2018-12-10T04:58:20 < dongs> i dont buy this package swapping thing as being the culprit
2018-12-10T05:00:50 < aandrew> no like I said I'm like 99% sure this happened when I swapped to the TFBGA216 
2018-12-10T05:01:33 < dongs> how? the symbol had those pins flipped or something onsch?
2018-12-10T05:01:48 < aandrew> dongs: yeah I think so. once this works I will check; it's an altium vault
2018-12-10T05:02:03 < dongs> < aandrew> dongs: yeah I think so. once this works I will check; it's an altium fault < FTFY
2018-12-10T05:02:12 < aandrew> it's also entirely possible I fucked up without altium's help
2018-12-10T05:02:24 < aandrew> I'm not passing the buck, ultimately I should have caught this in review
2018-12-10T05:04:36 < PeterM> so you're just gonna flywire to vcap1/2 from your fpga vcore and pray?
2018-12-10T05:04:52 < dongs> and put PA0 to a 1.2V reset IC if youve got one
2018-12-10T05:05:10 < aandrew> nah I'll just tie it high, vcore is always up when 3.3V is up
2018-12-10T05:05:15 < aandrew> there's nothing fancy going on on that rail
2018-12-10T05:05:34 < aandrew> Connecting to target via SWD
2018-12-10T05:05:34 < aandrew> Found SW-DP with ID 0x5BA02477
2018-12-10T05:05:34 < aandrew> Found SW-DP with ID 0x5BA02477
2018-12-10T05:05:34 < aandrew> Scanning AP map to find all available APs
2018-12-10T05:05:34 < aandrew> AP[1]: Stopped AP scan as end of AP map has been reached
2018-12-10T05:05:37 < aandrew> AP[0]: AHB-AP (IDR: 0x74770001)
2018-12-10T05:05:39 < aandrew> Iterating through AP map to find AHB-AP to use
2018-12-10T05:05:42 < aandrew> AP[0]: Core found
2018-12-10T05:05:44 < aandrew> AP[0]: AHB-AP ROM base: 0xE00FD000
2018-12-10T05:05:47 < aandrew> CPUID register: 0x410FC271. Implementer code: 0x41 (ARM)
2018-12-10T05:05:49 < aandrew> Found Cortex-M7 r0p1, Little endian.
2018-12-10T05:05:51 < dongs> hax
2018-12-10T05:05:52 < aandrew> FPUnit: 8 code (BP) slots and 0 literal slots
2018-12-10T05:05:54 < aandrew> CoreSight components:
2018-12-10T05:05:57 < aandrew> ROMTbl[0] @ E00FD000
2018-12-10T05:05:59 < aandrew> ROMTbl[0][0]: E00FE000, CID: B105100D, PID: 000BB4C8 ROM Table
2018-12-10T05:06:02 < aandrew> ROMTbl[1] @ E00FE000
2018-12-10T05:06:04 < aandrew> ROMTbl[1][0]: E00FF000, CID: B105100D, PID: 000BB4C7 ROM Table
2018-12-10T05:06:07 < aandrew> ROMTbl[2] @ E00FF000
2018-12-10T05:06:08 < dongs> i wonder how many romtbls there are
2018-12-10T05:06:09 < aandrew> ROMTbl[2][0]: E000E000, CID: B105E00D, PID: 000BB00C SCS-M7
2018-12-10T05:06:12 < aandrew> ROMTbl[2][1]: E0001000, CID: B105E00D, PID: 000BB002 DWT
2018-12-10T05:06:14 < aandrew> ROMTbl[2][2]: E0002000, CID: B105E00D, PID: 000BB00E FPB-M7
2018-12-10T05:06:17 < aandrew> ROMTbl[2][3]: E0000000, CID: B105E00D, PID: 000BB001 ITM
2018-12-10T05:06:19 < aandrew> ROMTbl[1][1]: E0041000, CID: B105900D, PID: 000BB975 ETM-M7
2018-12-10T05:06:22 < aandrew> ROMTbl[0][1]: E0040000, CID: B105900D, PID: 000BB9A9 TPIU
2018-12-10T05:06:24 < aandrew> booyeah.
2018-12-10T05:06:27 < aandrew> thanks dongs
2018-12-10T05:06:29 < aandrew> ok so marking this down in the board errata
2018-12-10T05:06:34 < PeterM> should we kick for flod bnefore he finishes
2018-12-10T05:06:43 < PeterM> oh wait nvm
2018-12-10T05:06:44 < aandrew> that was it :)
2018-12-10T05:07:07 < aandrew> the surprising news is that that stm32 survived being reflowed 3 times, pulled off the board, attempted reball 5 times and reflow back on the board
2018-12-10T05:07:38 < aandrew> that chip has been reheated more than grandpa's meatloaf
2018-12-10T05:07:41 < PeterM> uhh, so the fpga shows up on jtag now too?
2018-12-10T05:07:46 < aandrew> doubtful
2018-12-10T05:07:49 < aandrew> but let's see
2018-12-10T05:08:01 < aandrew> thsi means I should solder on the USB PHY and FTDI as well now
2018-12-10T05:08:08 < aandrew> but let's see what FPGA says... probably nada
2018-12-10T05:08:32 < Thorn> I did a lot of bad stuff to my QFN LPC824 trying to solder them properly but none of them failed
2018-12-10T05:08:56 < PeterM> mate, half the 2nd hand ICs from china work fine and they're desoldered in a back alley with a blowtorch
2018-12-10T05:09:26 < aandrew> TotalIRLen = ?, IRPrint = 0x..000000000000000000000000
2018-12-10T05:09:31 < aandrew> yeah it can't scan the JTAG chain
2018-12-10T05:09:34 < aandrew> didn't think that'd help
2018-12-10T05:09:54 < aandrew> and I'm not keen on trying another reball tonight
2018-12-10T05:10:02 < aandrew> although that is 1mm pitch 
2018-12-10T05:10:04 < aandrew> not 0.8
2018-12-10T05:10:17 < aandrew> I'm fucking covered in 0.4mm fluxed balls
2018-12-10T05:10:27 < aandrew> it's like a fucking glitter bomb went off
2018-12-10T05:10:36 < aandrew> keep finding them around
2018-12-10T05:11:20 < dongs> PeterM: lol, i t ook my phone to a repair shop in HK to swap a shattered camera lens
2018-12-10T05:11:32 < dongs> nigga blowtorched the original off with something that looked like paint stripper
2018-12-10T05:13:32 < dongs> https://www.jewson.co.uk/tool-hire/decorating/strippers/products/5665/hot-air-paint-stripper/
2018-12-10T05:13:40 < PeterM> im not surprised, some times that shit is the best option, because the thermal conductivity of materials is so low, if you heat it fast the old part will cook, the adhesive will get jsut hot enough to melt and the other stuff will be untouched
2018-12-10T05:14:06 < PeterM> theres a fine line between working and fucked  though
2018-12-10T05:15:11 < dongs> im sure he's done it so many times its probly more or less guarntaeed to work
2018-12-10T05:15:46 < PeterM> yeah, its one of those, in the hands of the right person even a sledgehammer is a precision tool
2018-12-10T05:16:33 < aandrew> I used to strip boards for parts with a blowtorch. heat it a bit, whack it against the concrete floor. repeat a few times then spend some time sweeping up and cleaning up parts
2018-12-10T05:16:45 < aandrew> I was ~15 when I was doing that. :-)
2018-12-10T05:16:59 < aandrew> PeterM: indeed
2018-12-10T05:18:19 < aandrew> I did find out that 60% isoprop and 40% acetone makes a mighty fine flux remover though
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2018-12-10T05:32:04 < aandrew> anyway this is a huge fucking relief
2018-12-10T05:32:15 < aandrew> FPGA's next
2018-12-10T05:32:31 < aandrew> gotta stop fucking aroudn with this and switch to another contract that I'm a little behind on because i was obsessed with this
2018-12-10T05:44:18 < aandrew> dongs: yep it's altium
2018-12-10T05:47:01 < aandrew> dongs: https://imgur.com/a/n9QlqHo
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2018-12-10T05:57:40 < PeterM> !wz penrith, australia
2018-12-10T05:57:41 < englishbot> [Penrith, Australia] Rain. Temp is 26.7°C. Humidity: 62%.
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2018-12-10T06:01:49 < Rajko> is it possible to make a stm32 pin be the same as an input pin or just invert it, without cpu intervention ?
2018-12-10T06:03:06 < aandrew> you might be able to do something creative with DMA
2018-12-10T06:03:29 < Rajko> or somehow bind timer input to output
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2018-12-10T07:13:16 < dongs> aandrew: lmao. reason why i never use fucking vault trash
2018-12-10T07:14:06 < dongs> Rajko: timer input / etr on master triggering slave timer with inverted pwm i guess
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2018-12-10T11:54:08 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/ken_kremer/status/1071529135581868042
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2018-12-10T14:04:31 < jadew> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-09/for-huawei-cfo-an-idyllic-summer-playground-turns-into-a-prison
2018-12-10T14:05:14 < jadew> "Instead, she was arrested by Canadian authorities and faces a U.S. extradition request on charges she conspired to defraud banks, including HSBC Bank Plc, so that they unwittingly cleared millions of dollars in transactions linked to Iran, in violation of U.S. sanctions."
2018-12-10T14:06:01 < jadew> "defraud banks" - sell stuff to countries the US doesn't like?
2018-12-10T14:06:22 < karlp> indeed.
2018-12-10T14:06:47 < karlp> land of the free remember
2018-12-10T14:07:15 < jadew> what's worrying about this story is that she wasn't even a US citizen
2018-12-10T14:07:24 < jadew> nor was she in US at the time
2018-12-10T14:07:46 < jadew> I can only assume that huawei had US technology in the phones they sold
2018-12-10T14:08:02 < jadew> and I guess that once you have that in your product, you have to abide by those laws?
2018-12-10T14:09:42 < jadew> does it matter if you use US technology or not?
2018-12-10T14:09:49 < PeterM> nah US has extradition treaties with canada, so if you break a US law, you can be extradited
2018-12-10T14:10:08 < jadew> yeah, but how did she break that law tho?
2018-12-10T14:10:17 < PeterM> it was a US trade sanction she broke
2018-12-10T14:10:21 < PeterM> sold stuff to iran
2018-12-10T14:10:23 < jadew> would you have to have US technology in your product, or not?
2018-12-10T14:10:25 < PeterM> that wasnt allowed to be
2018-12-10T14:10:28 < PeterM> no
2018-12-10T14:10:50 < jadew> so, anyone who deals with iran is an enemy of the US?
2018-12-10T14:11:08 < PeterM> possibly
2018-12-10T14:11:24 < jadew> well, that's what I'd like to find out, because I have a feeling it's not that
2018-12-10T14:11:41 < jadew> I think it might be related to that document you sign when you buy components from the US
2018-12-10T14:11:45 < jpa-> i'd assume it is about moving money from USA to iran
2018-12-10T14:12:16 < jadew> jpa-, nah, the early story was because huawei sold phones to iran
2018-12-10T14:12:24 < jpa-> i.e. huawei sold stuff in USA, got money on their USA bank accounts, somehow it is wrong then that they move that money to iran
2018-12-10T14:12:33 < jpa-> aha
2018-12-10T14:12:40 < PeterM> nah
2018-12-10T14:13:04 < PeterM> its because huawei used an unofficial subsidiary to sell stuff to iran
2018-12-10T14:13:25 < jadew> knowingly in violation of the sanctions?
2018-12-10T14:13:48 < jadew> and again - do those sanctions apply if you're not using US technology in your product?
2018-12-10T14:14:32 < PeterM> yes, knowingly in ciolation of the sanctions
2018-12-10T14:14:42 < jadew> interesting
2018-12-10T14:16:26 < PeterM> i think the sanctions apply regardless of the US technology
2018-12-10T14:16:46 < PeterM> i think the issue is that huawei has certain  company registrations in  the US
2018-12-10T14:17:02 < PeterM> and so technically it was a US company selling stuff to iran that wasnt meant to be
2018-12-10T14:19:31 < PeterM> tbh it's probably jsut a bit of dick waving/strutting  rather than any good reason
2018-12-10T14:30:32 < karlp> chilling effects are real.
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2018-12-10T15:46:37 < day> PeterM: i read "US/EU" sanctions in some news article. i find it quite funny that, that would imply a chinese citizen in China has to obey them.
2018-12-10T15:50:11 < day> my prediction is: she will never be moved into the usa
2018-12-10T15:55:47 < jpa-> canada will return her to hong kong, the flight just happens to be diverted to land in usa, one passenger mysteriously disappears
2018-12-10T15:56:46 < day> thats the only clean way for the usa to get out of this dilemma
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2018-12-10T16:18:03 < fenugrec> the irony of CN, calling "inhuman" her treatment in Canada... of all places
2018-12-10T16:19:07 < fenugrec> pretty sure convicted murderers are treated better in CAN than even the most innocent suspect in CN
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2018-12-10T16:54:27 < Ecco> Holy shit guys
2018-12-10T16:54:35 < Ecco> remember how I was looking for a cheap fab house in China last week?
2018-12-10T16:54:35 < day> fenugrec: erdogan top'd it by being "concerned about the course the french police is taking"
2018-12-10T16:55:05 < Ecco> placed my order wednesday
2018-12-10T16:55:08 < Ecco> paid $25
2018-12-10T16:55:14 < Ecco> I just received my PCBs Oo
2018-12-10T16:55:26 < day> i thought you wanted cheap o0
2018-12-10T16:55:37 < Ecco> well, $25 for 20 PCBs doesn't seem very expensive
2018-12-10T16:55:44 < day> j/k
2018-12-10T16:55:46 < Ecco> also, it's 2x10PCBs (2 different models)
2018-12-10T16:55:50 < Ecco> :-)
2018-12-10T16:55:53 < Ecco> I'm seriously impressed
2018-12-10T16:57:00 < englishman> cool Ecco
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2018-12-10T16:57:05 < englishman> what country are you in and what ship method
2018-12-10T16:57:11 < Ecco> France, DHL
2018-12-10T16:57:14 < englishman> nice
2018-12-10T16:57:22 < Ecco> By the way, didn't have any customs to pay either
2018-12-10T17:04:44 < day> Ecco: which fab?
2018-12-10T17:04:48 < Ecco> pcbway
2018-12-10T17:12:00 < englishman> lol @ altium FAULT
2018-12-10T17:12:10 < englishman> trashing thousands of dollars of aandrewboards
2018-12-10T17:12:29 < englishman> how much should i charge to swap 100 0402-size diodes
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2018-12-10T17:39:46 < aandrew> Ecco: nice. which house did you go to
2018-12-10T17:39:51 < aandrew> englishman: lol
2018-12-10T17:40:03 < aandrew> englishman: swap as in remove, clean, place and resolder?
2018-12-10T17:40:09 < englishman> yea
2018-12-10T17:40:15 < aandrew> car-san here charges shop time for that shit, $85/hr
2018-12-10T17:40:22 < aandrew> I assume that's 3h of work
2018-12-10T17:40:29 < aandrew> depends on how many boards and how dense
2018-12-10T17:40:29 < englishman> 3h wow
2018-12-10T17:40:40 < englishman> 20 boards, 5 diodes each they are all together
2018-12-10T17:40:56 < aandrew> that's not so bad, I'd still not quote anything under $250
2018-12-10T17:41:02 < englishman> yeah i quoted 400
2018-12-10T17:41:05 < englishman> cuz i dont care + dont have time
2018-12-10T17:41:17 < aandrew> that's probably way more realistic after you factor in all the dicking around
2018-12-10T17:42:39 < englishman> running over there to get the boards and parts
2018-12-10T17:42:48 < englishman> getting pulled over for driving while stoned
2018-12-10T17:42:51 < englishman> $400 ticket
2018-12-10T17:42:52 < englishman> etc
2018-12-10T17:42:57 < englishman> yeah i should have quoted more
2018-12-10T17:43:29 < aandrew> wait you're also playing courier?
2018-12-10T17:43:38 < englishman> no its only a few blocks away
2018-12-10T17:43:41 < aandrew> oh you're being cheeky now
2018-12-10T17:44:17 < englishman> i wont get to charge for the 15 minutes of small talk
2018-12-10T17:44:33 < aandrew> sure you do, you just bury it in the time spent on actual work. :-)
2018-12-10T17:45:11 < englishman> are you going to buy a bunch of guns before trudeau bans them next month
2018-12-10T17:45:26 < aandrew> lol no
2018-12-10T17:53:45 < jadew> I don't understand why the chinese aren't making higher quality RF connectors
2018-12-10T17:54:03 < jadew> for starters, they could stop coating them with shit
2018-12-10T17:54:44 < karlp> "I don't understand why I keep buying the cheapest possible garbage, and am surprised that I get garbage"
2018-12-10T17:55:00 < jadew> karlp, I'm not buying garbage tho
2018-12-10T17:55:14 < jadew> but I wish the chinese would make cheaper versions of what I'm buying
2018-12-10T17:55:18 < aandrew> actually my stupid cheap MCX connectors came
2018-12-10T17:55:22 < aandrew> let me take a closeup pic
2018-12-10T17:55:23 < jadew> $30 for a fucking connector is just insane
2018-12-10T17:55:25 < aandrew> they seem okay
2018-12-10T17:56:09  * emeb_mac has a drawer full of cheep chinese SMA end-launchers
2018-12-10T17:56:14 < emeb_mac> they also seem OK
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2018-12-10T17:56:29 < jadew> all the chinese have to do is use proper coating and make theirs a bit better and people would gladly pay $5/pcs instead of $0.20
2018-12-10T17:56:50 < jadew> emeb_mac, they're fine for a couple of insertions
2018-12-10T17:57:10 < jadew> not suitable for something that's going to be subjected to a bit more abuse
2018-12-10T17:57:15 < jadew> and the coating wears off quickly
2018-12-10T17:57:51 < emeb_mac> jadew: interesting. These have been in use for a couple years now and still seem fine.
2018-12-10T17:58:04 < jadew> emeb_mac, no coating residue either?
2018-12-10T17:58:17 < emeb_mac> jadew: not AFAICT
2018-12-10T17:58:18 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/a/fx1GY9S
2018-12-10T17:58:20 < jadew> (on the PTFE insulator - if it's PTFE)
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2018-12-10T18:00:10 < jadew> let me show you what I mean
2018-12-10T18:00:14 < emeb_mac> OTOH it's not like I'm doing a mate/demate cycle every day...
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2018-12-10T18:02:14 < emeb_mac> I remember when I was working on high-rel aerospace stuff we always had these things called "connector savers" on the deliverable HW to keep the cycles low on the connectors.
2018-12-10T18:02:57 < Laurenceb> yay back to stdin
2018-12-10T18:03:05 < Laurenceb> the truly epic fail continues
2018-12-10T18:03:07 < jadew> emeb_mac, you mean adapters?
2018-12-10T18:03:11 < emeb_mac> Installed immediately after assy, not removed until final system integration.
2018-12-10T18:03:28 < emeb_mac> jadew: basically SMA M to SMA F
2018-12-10T18:03:30 < jadew> yeah, I use those too on the test equipment
2018-12-10T18:04:34 < emeb_mac> we had them on the D-submini connectors too.
2018-12-10T18:05:10 < jadew> http://188.25.248.79/stuff/IMG_20181210_180153.jpg
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2018-12-10T18:05:50 < jadew> ruined a couple of connector with that one before I realized what was happening
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2018-12-10T18:06:00 < jadew> *connectors
2018-12-10T18:06:36 < jadew> that's a couple of years old and I haven't used it since
2018-12-10T18:06:48 < jadew> now I clean all connectors before mating them
2018-12-10T18:07:18 < jadew> but the cheap ones do tend to collect that residue after a while
2018-12-10T18:07:29 < Laurenceb> someone give me some ideas pls
2018-12-10T18:07:37 < Laurenceb> I need spaghetti to throw at the wall
2018-12-10T18:07:46 < Laurenceb> how to flush QProcess::write
2018-12-10T18:18:32 < karlp> fuckboi, you still on that sthi?
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2018-12-10T18:25:12 < zyp> haha
2018-12-10T18:25:18 < jadew> another thing that bugs the crap out of me is that in the EU, the same product costs 10 times more than in the US, even tho, it's an european product
2018-12-10T18:25:20 < jadew> example:
2018-12-10T18:25:26 < jadew> https://www.ecmstockroom.com/products/22511925/view
2018-12-10T18:25:34 < jadew> https://ro.mouser.com/ProductDetail/HUBER%2bSUHNER/SUCOFORM_141
2018-12-10T18:26:12 < jadew> ugh... that link doesn't work
2018-12-10T18:26:39 < Laurenceb> kek karlp
2018-12-10T18:26:45 < Laurenceb> tiem to spam the Qt forumz
2018-12-10T18:26:45 < jadew> https://ro.mouser.com/ProductDetail/HUBER%2bSUHNER/SUCOFORM_141?qs=sGAEpiMZZMve4%2fbfQkoj%252bEKkc1QROpAq4s0GJPTJ40M%3d
2018-12-10T18:28:03 < jadew> after tax, 1 meter of that cable costs 9 more times than in the US
2018-12-10T18:28:17 < karlp> land of opportunity.
2018-12-10T18:28:31 < karlp> get away from this land of bears eating sheep, move to the promised land
2018-12-10T18:28:37 < karlp> start a business, buy cheap cables
2018-12-10T18:28:43 < jadew> hah
2018-12-10T18:29:20 < jadew> I might, maybe they can also sell me some connectors for under $10000
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2018-12-10T18:30:58 < jadew> all RF shit is super expensive in europe
2018-12-10T18:31:16 < jadew> it's expensive all over the place, but it looks like here it comes at a premium
2018-12-10T18:31:30 < jadew> 5-7 eur/meter is the same thing
2018-12-10T18:31:45 < jadew> not 9 times, but still...
2018-12-10T18:31:54 < jadew> how can it be so much cheaper in the US?
2018-12-10T18:32:05 < jadew> from an EU company
2018-12-10T18:33:32 < jadew> I've been trying to find some connectors for a couple of days already and the best I could do was either $30/pcs or $0.4/pcs from china
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2018-12-10T18:36:24 < karlp> I'll sell you some for $20/pc...
2018-12-10T18:36:41 < karlp> I'm sure I could convince you I was a western retailer selling the same china pieces...
2018-12-10T18:37:55 < jadew> yeah, if I don't buy from a reputable seller or if I don't sample them at first, that's something that can surely happen
2018-12-10T18:38:40 < marble_visions> all, can i rely on x macros being portable?
2018-12-10T18:39:29 < marble_visions> i mean, has anyone found out that compiler differ in preprocessing capabilities?
2018-12-10T18:39:37 < marble_visions> s/compiler/compilers/
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2018-12-10T18:40:26 < karlp> macros can do all sorts of things, depending on how far you're going with them,
2018-12-10T18:40:57 < karlp> I'd generally suggest using plain functions and static and lto and not using macros unless they're actually improving legibility
2018-12-10T18:41:32 < marble_visions> karlp: lto -- link time optimizations?
2018-12-10T18:41:46 < karlp> yar
2018-12-10T18:42:07 < karlp> ask yourself why you have preprocessor things that are complicated enough taht you even _think_ you might have portability concerns.
2018-12-10T18:45:33 < marble_visions> karlp: Cracki: nice, thanks.
2018-12-10T18:46:27 < marble_visions> i'll meditate on that 
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2018-12-10T19:53:57 < Thorn> Drop & Run https://twitter.com/GrantWTrent/status/1072169333156179968
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2018-12-10T20:56:22 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rf5F5IxeHpUr4P40-LzszazcBTcY8YUX/view?usp=sharing
2018-12-10T20:57:05 < kakimir> "big" caps are 0603
2018-12-10T20:58:00 < Steffanx> ever figured out what the ic was kakimir ?
2018-12-10T20:58:10 < kakimir> see some afterthought behind that 4x4mm coil
2018-12-10T20:59:50 < kakimir> Steffanx: should eevforum it
2018-12-10T21:00:25 < Steffanx> Better remove all those huge solder blobs :P
2018-12-10T21:01:05 < kakimir> I tried
2018-12-10T21:01:09 < kakimir> no use
2018-12-10T21:01:27 < kakimir> you mean one in front of SLM6510?
2018-12-10T21:01:45 < Steffanx> yes, and perhaps that ic closer to "me",
2018-12-10T21:02:28 < kakimir> see led.. you can tell I have baked that board excessivelly
2018-12-10T21:02:33 < kakimir> actually that is second one
2018-12-10T21:02:41 < kakimir> first one turned brown
2018-12-10T21:03:39 < Steffanx> haha
2018-12-10T21:07:56 < Thorn> my new projects is going to have 5 or 6 qfn/dfn/etc packages. some rough anal sex ahead
2018-12-10T21:08:36 < kakimir> I spent like 1-2hours to get that mcu there
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2018-12-10T21:08:52 < kakimir> and it's perfect
2018-12-10T21:09:15 < kakimir> firstly stencil holes were so small that some pads didn't get any paste
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2018-12-10T21:10:17 < kakimir> so I did some sensual soldering to that footprint
2018-12-10T21:11:42 < kakimir> first get excess solder off from center pad and then touch all them pads until it was perfect
2018-12-10T21:12:04 < kakimir> hotplate + blower
2018-12-10T21:12:19 < kakimir> bridging on one side so learned a new trick
2018-12-10T21:12:46 < kakimir> flux and solder iron tip poking to that bridge
2018-12-10T21:14:14 < kakimir> I didn't know it would work
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2018-12-10T21:31:48 < Steffanx> didnt you stencil it kakimir ?
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2018-12-10T21:34:58 < kakimir> sure
2018-12-10T21:35:16 < kakimir> about half of components first
2018-12-10T21:35:28 < kakimir> straight to the paste
2018-12-10T21:35:35 < kakimir> then mcu mess
2018-12-10T21:35:56 < kakimir> then reflow components around mcu to solder blobs on pads
2018-12-10T21:36:11 < kakimir> while poking them with tweezers
2018-12-10T21:36:42 < Steffanx> whokay
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2018-12-10T21:38:18 < kakimir> you don't just apply paste to that size mcu pads after removing the stencil
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2018-12-10T21:38:56 < Steffanx> you dont apply paste after the stencil. :P
2018-12-10T21:39:05 < Steffanx> *+removing
2018-12-10T21:39:31 < kakimir> yes
2018-12-10T21:39:34 < kakimir> my point
2018-12-10T21:39:47 < kakimir> I needed to do some iron work with that footprint
2018-12-10T21:41:50 < kakimir> you need a footjob
2018-12-10T21:44:25 < Steffanx> whats with your arm?
2018-12-10T21:50:12 < Steffanx> enlighten us crt
2018-12-10T21:51:09 < Steffanx> jimmy aint here, you are.
2018-12-10T21:51:23 < Steffanx> i think
2018-12-10T21:53:44 < Steffanx> go sleep crt
2018-12-10T21:54:50 < kakimir> his crazy!
2018-12-10T21:54:56 < Steffanx> He is
2018-12-10T21:54:58 < kakimir> maniac!
2018-12-10T21:55:28 < Steffanx> Did you watch Django Unchained?
2018-12-10T21:56:15 < qyx> are there pythons?
2018-12-10T21:58:23 < kakimir> no
2018-12-10T21:59:38 < Steffanx> imaging waking up with youtube :D
2018-12-10T22:03:38 < Steffanx> uk. nuff said.
2018-12-10T22:06:49 < Laurenceb124> fucking white males!!! white males
2018-12-10T22:09:17 < Laurenceb124> tfw https://postimg.cc/ZBHx7ykr
2018-12-10T22:09:41 < kakimir> *rubbings*
2018-12-10T22:11:46 < Laurenceb124> how I picture Cracki irl https://postimg.cc/8j4gRZn5
2018-12-10T22:12:51 < kakimir> 5/5
2018-12-10T22:13:42 < kakimir> that intensive focus + beard scratch
2018-12-10T22:14:06 < aandrew> why is keanu reeves studying hitler
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2018-12-10T22:18:53 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUdro-6u2Zg using laser diode as a sensitive sensor for sub-micron vibration
2018-12-10T22:22:57 < Thorn> I thought I was the only one reading about Hitler in this channel
2018-12-10T22:24:31 < kakimir> I think I tried to read 50 shades of gray to see what is it about
2018-12-10T22:24:49 < kakimir> it was 10times more boring than the movie
2018-12-10T22:25:14 < kakimir> it was terribly boring
2018-12-10T22:26:28 < kakimir> if it was building some kind of tension 1) I didn't get it 2) it was really subtle
2018-12-10T22:27:19 < kakimir> oh
2018-12-10T22:27:35 < kakimir> contract fetish
2018-12-10T22:28:03 < kakimir> interesting perspective
2018-12-10T22:28:21 < Thorn> btw µCurrent has a competitor (aka ripoff lol) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmXfyLyN38c
2018-12-10T22:29:49 < kakimir> I need a movie wizard man
2018-12-10T22:33:51 < qyx> buy a movie contract then
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2018-12-10T22:37:06 < kakimir> got netflix and fucked in ass
2018-12-10T22:37:49 < Steffanx> and you liked it
2018-12-10T22:38:19 < kakimir> for a moment yes
2018-12-10T22:38:52 < kakimir> I can see algorithm has thrown in the towel
2018-12-10T22:39:02 < kakimir> it cannot please me anymore
2018-12-10T22:40:33 < kakimir> or is it really that majority of the users want to see bad tv-movies from 90's after they have gone thru the good stuff
2018-12-10T22:41:44 < kakimir> Steffanx: villasukat
2018-12-10T22:41:54 < kakimir> do you use them?
2018-12-10T22:42:49 < Steffanx> the what?
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2018-12-10T22:43:41 < Laurenceb124> https://postimg.cc/QFzsQsW3
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2018-12-10T22:44:07 < kakimir> jeez I like to wear villasukat in bed - keeps my feet warm
2018-12-10T22:44:38 < kakimir> Laurenceb124: trap?
2018-12-10T22:44:47 < Steffanx> do i look like someone who knows that that is kakimir ?
2018-12-10T22:44:52 < Laurenceb124> kakimir: no, moderator of 8chan
2018-12-10T22:45:13 < Laurenceb124> the face of autism
2018-12-10T22:45:37 < Laurenceb124> hot or not?
2018-12-10T22:45:52 < kakimir> I like
2018-12-10T22:45:59 < kakimir> as long as not a trap
2018-12-10T22:46:19 < kakimir> you have hot date planned?
2018-12-10T22:46:51 < Steffanx> https://postimg.cc/fkfn0c5k he's prepared kakimir
2018-12-10T22:46:59 < Steffanx> ^ face of autism.
2018-12-10T22:47:09 < Laurenceb124> kakimir: lul "she" lives in liverpool
2018-12-10T22:47:12 < Laurenceb124> so maybe...
2018-12-10T22:47:40 < Laurenceb124> keeek
2018-12-10T22:48:20 < kakimir> you have my support Laurenceb124 
2018-12-10T22:50:00 < Steffanx> do you still have that tie, Laurenceb124 ?
2018-12-10T22:50:11 < Laurenceb124> yes
2018-12-10T22:50:18 < Steffanx> sexy
2018-12-10T22:50:23 < Laurenceb124> I have a collection of weird ones
2018-12-10T22:50:44 < Laurenceb124> different species of fish, they are organised by country of origin in my wardrobe
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2018-12-10T22:51:31 < Laurenceb124>  *autism intensifies*
2018-12-10T22:51:37 < Steffanx> yeah
2018-12-10T22:52:35 < Steffanx> its sad you dont speak dutch Laurenceb124 . In the netherlands we have this documentary of this 53 year old autist, that still lives with his parents.
2018-12-10T22:52:43 < Steffanx> He has a very specific opinion about germans.
2018-12-10T22:52:48 < Laurenceb124> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4PTf7LgsIE
2018-12-10T22:55:57 < Steffanx> https://youtu.be/xoev3aokYxk?t=20 this parts you'll understand.
2018-12-10T22:57:33 < Steffanx> He rages about germans on the highway. 
2018-12-10T22:57:47 < mawk> lol
2018-12-10T22:58:47 < mawk> I tried automatic subtitle translation Steffanx 
2018-12-10T22:58:59 < mawk> "dog dirty dirty race beat dog dirty"
2018-12-10T23:00:25 < Steffanx> mawk, when you go dutch you should know this.
2018-12-10T23:00:41 < Steffanx> He's like our hero.
2018-12-10T23:00:45 < mawk> lol
2018-12-10T23:00:51 < Steffanx> And his dutch is too perfect.
2018-12-10T23:01:02 < mawk> some time ago I saw some videos about mossels and eurovision or something
2018-12-10T23:01:10 < mawk> de mosselman
2018-12-10T23:01:12 < Steffanx> lol
2018-12-10T23:03:57 < mawk> lol
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2018-12-10T23:04:08 < mawk> yeah it's a trend or something
2018-12-10T23:04:16 < mawk> since it's a spectrum I'm on it
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2018-12-10T23:04:34 < mawk> points have no length or area in the physical word, I can't be 0% autistic
2018-12-10T23:04:38 < mawk> therefore I'm special
2018-12-10T23:04:49 < Steffanx> awh your french friend doenst want to be in ##stm32
2018-12-10T23:05:00 < mawk> :(
2018-12-10T23:05:24 < mawk> he's using the same ISP as me
2018-12-10T23:05:39 < mawk> also his first name starts with B, most likely for Bernard
2018-12-10T23:05:45 < mawk> so he must be at least 40 years old I think
2018-12-10T23:05:55 < mawk> maybe Benoît or Bertrand tho
2018-12-10T23:05:59 < mawk> but also old people's names
2018-12-10T23:06:15 < mawk> unless he's kinda from a rich family, Benoît is still a given name in the 16th district of Paris
2018-12-10T23:06:38 < Steffanx> Benjamin
2018-12-10T23:06:47 < mawk> Benjamin is kinda jewish
2018-12-10T23:06:53 < mawk> and jewish are a little part of the population
2018-12-10T23:06:55 < mawk> so less likely
2018-12-10T23:07:19 < mawk> but jewish are more likely to make higher study and maybe understand electronics so I don't know
2018-12-10T23:07:25 < mawk> or he joined ##stm32 by mistake
2018-12-10T23:07:41 < Steffanx> no he was here once
2018-12-10T23:07:46 < Steffanx> a regular
2018-12-10T23:08:00 < qyx> I am sure you will find his name on the interwebs
2018-12-10T23:08:12 < Steffanx> But he had difficulties coping with ##stm32
2018-12-10T23:08:32 < qyx> and Steffanx is right with the name
2018-12-10T23:08:37 < qyx> hah
2018-12-10T23:08:52 < mawk> https://www.lejsl.com/edition-de-macon/2014/02/09/bertrand-vernoux-se-presente
2018-12-10T23:09:02 < mawk> I think it's him
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2018-12-10T23:09:10 < mawk> IP is in the same region, same last name and same first name first letter
2018-12-10T23:09:17 < qyx> no
2018-12-10T23:09:19 < mawk> :(
2018-12-10T23:09:29 < qyx> check airspy
2018-12-10T23:09:47 < mawk> airspy ?
2018-12-10T23:10:15 < mawk> ah
2018-12-10T23:10:19 < mawk> so it's Benjamin
2018-12-10T23:11:45 < mawk> http://www.cnis-mag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Benjamin-Vernoux-g-Youssef-Toul-d-small.jpg
2018-12-10T23:12:23 < qyx> btw is it true that yellows are demanding french language and french history certificates for all foreigners living in france?
2018-12-10T23:12:27 < mawk> so he's a wheel in the hack community I guess
2018-12-10T23:12:38 < mawk> yes qyx 
2018-12-10T23:12:46 < mawk> it's the one on the left Cracki 
2018-12-10T23:12:54 < mawk> the one on the right is his colleague, named Youssef yes
2018-12-10T23:12:57 < mawk> middle eastern name
2018-12-10T23:13:19 < mawk> they're not all demanding this qyx , since yellow vest is being mostly taken over by leftists
2018-12-10T23:13:28 < mawk> but a significative part of them are demanding things like that yes
2018-12-10T23:13:33 < mawk> also referendum on immigration, stuff
2018-12-10T23:13:49 < mawk> because of this the media keep saying yellow vest is far-right and all
2018-12-10T23:13:57 < mawk> to discredit it
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2018-12-10T23:14:22 < mawk> they tell the story that will make people not zap
2018-12-10T23:14:28 < mawk> so it has to be outrageous
2018-12-10T23:14:37 < mawk> especially for continuous info channels like in France
2018-12-10T23:15:16 < mawk> revolutions are scary
2018-12-10T23:15:21 < mawk> an even worse thing could take over
2018-12-10T23:15:23 < Steffanx> I googled qyx ;)
2018-12-10T23:16:43 < mawk> for a small example there was ever since we're a republic a tradition of splitting budget chiefs (Questeurs) from the Assemblée to every party when a new assembly is elected
2018-12-10T23:16:54 < mawk> but Macron didn't want to, he gave all the posts to his own party
2018-12-10T23:18:14 < mawk> same for the laws he wanted to pass, there is a constitution article that allows to pass law without vote by putting at stake the assembly seats (like if the assembly really don't want the law the law doesn't pass but a new assembly is elected), normally meant for budget laws when you don't want a blackout
2018-12-10T23:18:25 < mawk> he used that article for the laws he wanted to pass without debate
2018-12-10T23:18:35 < mawk> they didn't really had a choice
2018-12-10T23:18:42 < mawk> everyone was shamed into voting for him
2018-12-10T23:19:03 < mawk> because of the 2-turns direct election system where blanks aren't taken into account, not voting for Macron meant voting for Le Pen
2018-12-10T23:19:15 < mawk> so everyone voted for Macron because they viewed that poor blonde woman as a threat for the republic
2018-12-10T23:19:22 < mawk> and see where that lead them
2018-12-10T23:19:49 < mawk> or blanks at least
2018-12-10T23:20:00 < mawk> less than half of the registered voters voted for macron
2018-12-10T23:20:06 < mawk> uh, no
2018-12-10T23:20:14 < mawk> less than half of the active population
2018-12-10T23:22:51 < mawk> less than half voted at all, actually
2018-12-10T23:23:05 < mawk> so anyone elected technically doesn't represent the people
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2018-12-10T23:23:29 < karlp> Cracki: sure, more nationalists in europe, just what we need.
2018-12-10T23:27:42 < mawk> Le Pen doesn't even revendicate being nationalist or far-right
2018-12-10T23:28:01 < mawk> she wants to be called "neither left nor right" or "popular right" maybe
2018-12-10T23:28:08 < mawk> claim
2018-12-10T23:28:53 < mawk> yeah
2018-12-10T23:28:56 < mawk> they're afraid because of her father
2018-12-10T23:29:17 < mawk> the scary big racist from Brittany with his glass eye and greasy jokes
2018-12-10T23:30:09 < mawk> lost his eye in a bar fight, dodged several murder attempts including one bombing
2018-12-10T23:30:34 < mawk> and got stabbed in the back by his daughter who wanted to normalize and leftize the party
2018-12-10T23:31:28 < mawk> yeah
2018-12-10T23:31:33 < mawk> well they just follow orders
2018-12-10T23:31:36 < mawk> and the order were very clear
2018-12-10T23:31:50 < mawk> scare them, be offensive, use your entire stock of tear gas, do preventive arrests
2018-12-10T23:31:55 < mawk> preventive arrests aren't even constitutional
2018-12-10T23:32:15 < mawk> there has been thousands and thousands of preventive arrests, and only like 10% have been deferred in front of a judge
2018-12-10T23:32:23 < mawk> these arrests were totally unjustified
2018-12-10T23:32:34 < mawk> well they have good secret service also
2018-12-10T23:34:01 < mawk> yeah
2018-12-10T23:34:47 < mawk> there are lots of amateur videos of people getting their cheeks/eyes/hands ripped apart by rubber ball launchers
2018-12-10T23:34:52 < mawk> shot at point blank range
2018-12-10T23:34:58 < mawk> lol
2018-12-10T23:35:06 < aandrew> wtf
2018-12-10T23:35:18 < mawk> yeah
2018-12-10T23:35:28 < Steffanx> No one told him to pick it up
2018-12-10T23:35:34 < zyp> look ma! no hands!
2018-12-10T23:35:56 < zyp> good evening, what's the context?
2018-12-10T23:36:13 < mawk> french protests
2018-12-10T23:36:24 < mawk> yeah these things aren't meant to be shot at such close range Cracki 
2018-12-10T23:36:27 < mawk> nor in the head
2018-12-10T23:36:49 < mawk> normally a formal investigation is conducted by police's police in these cases
2018-12-10T23:37:00 < mawk> but they will "forget" to do so it this context
2018-12-10T23:37:20 < mawk> if a french policeman just draws his gun there is a formal investigation
2018-12-10T23:37:35 < mawk> and if he shoots he's immediately detained for 24 hours for interrogation
2018-12-10T23:37:40 < mawk> indeed
2018-12-10T23:37:57 < mawk> well in regular situation no, policemen aren't that protected by the justice
2018-12-10T23:38:05 < mawk> normally french policemen are very watched
2018-12-10T23:38:09 < mawk> but this situation is special
2018-12-10T23:38:13 < mawk> yeah
2018-12-10T23:38:19 < mawk> they have the backing of their hierarchy atm
2018-12-10T23:38:23 < mawk> which is unusual
2018-12-10T23:39:39 < Steffanx> At least the rioting people got new apple-ware
2018-12-10T23:39:45 < Laurenceb124> I'm failing at c++/qt
2018-12-10T23:39:50 < Laurenceb124> what does this do? stream << "data" << QByteArray{};
2018-12-10T23:40:02 < Laurenceb124> the last part with the QByteArray ?
2018-12-10T23:40:24 < Laurenceb124> yeah but why apply it to "data"  string?
2018-12-10T23:40:50 < zyp> Laurenceb124, probably a dummy write to trigger flushing or something
2018-12-10T23:40:59 < mawk> it's not applying Laurenceb124 
2018-12-10T23:41:01 < Laurenceb124> oh I see
2018-12-10T23:41:02 < mawk> it's just chaining
2018-12-10T23:41:10 < mawk> it's like stream << "data"; stream << QByteArray{};
2018-12-10T23:41:15 < Laurenceb124> ok
2018-12-10T23:41:17 < mawk> you see stream << something just returns stream
2018-12-10T23:41:23 < mawk> so that you can chain such operations
2018-12-10T23:41:36 < mawk> if you look at the signature it's std::ostream& operator<<(std::ostream&, const something&);
2018-12-10T23:41:42 < mawk> the stream is returned
2018-12-10T23:42:17 < mawk> and the operator priority makes it left-associative, so stream << a << b << c; is like ((stream << a) << b) << c;
2018-12-10T23:42:23 < mawk> yeah
2018-12-10T23:42:53 < Laurenceb124> ok
2018-12-10T23:43:27 < Laurenceb124> looks like you are supposed to use streams to talk to sub processes
2018-12-10T23:45:03 < mawk> yes Laurenceb124 and that's shitty
2018-12-10T23:45:11 < mawk> you ought to be able to use what you want
2018-12-10T23:45:29 < mawk> well it seems it's not the case actually
2018-12-10T23:45:32 < mawk> as Cracki just linked
2018-12-10T23:45:41 < mawk> anyway if you don't like QProcess you can write your own Laurenceb124 
2018-12-10T23:46:00 < Laurenceb124> hmm maybe I will have to
2018-12-10T23:46:09 < Laurenceb124> atm I still cant write to my sub process
2018-12-10T23:46:10 < mawk> I wrote one once, you give it the path you want, and it reads back the data, can easily modify it to add a stdin on whatever fd # you want
2018-12-10T23:46:19 < mawk> let me retrieve it
2018-12-10T23:47:37 < mawk> Laurenceb124: https://paste.serveur.io/gz8mdnyL.hpp https://paste.serveur.io/uCxiB8hw.hxx
2018-12-10T23:48:35 < Laurenceb124> ok
2018-12-10T23:48:54 < Laurenceb124> I think I'll create a simple app just to test this
2018-12-10T23:48:56 < aandrew> well, I reballed the fpga and put it back on
2018-12-10T23:49:04 < aandrew> that only took two attempts and only one ball to clean up after
2018-12-10T23:49:08 < aandrew> so that's a LOT beter
2018-12-10T23:49:22 < aandrew> now once the board cools I can see if a) it's shorted and b) if the FPGA comes up on JTAG now
2018-12-10T23:53:08 < mawk> tell me if you want info on my code Laurenceb124 
2018-12-10T23:53:16 < mawk> it's a standalone C++ system() alternative
2018-12-10T23:53:25 < mawk> the good old system() libc function
2018-12-10T23:55:18 < Laurenceb124> I'll try Qt first
2018-12-10T23:55:26 < Laurenceb124> actually I'll try Qt with aplay
2018-12-10T23:55:33 < mawk> eg int retcode, std::string out, err; std::tie(retcode, out, err) = check_output("echo", "ok"); std::cout << out << std::endl;
2018-12-10T23:55:35 < mawk> you use it like that
2018-12-10T23:55:35 < Laurenceb124> then I can try to play sounds
2018-12-10T23:55:52 < aandrew> nope. exact same issue
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2018-12-11T00:07:56 < mawk> also Laurenceb124 it's a bit late to tell you that since you implemented select() and all, but there is a datagram mode for pipes since linux 3.4
2018-12-11T00:08:01 < mawk> but of course you kinda lose portability
2018-12-11T00:08:16 < mawk> a unix socket pair in DGRAM mode would be more portable
2018-12-11T00:08:21 < mawk> and kinda easier to deal with
2018-12-11T00:08:45 < mawk> but also comes with its downsides depending on the type of application
2018-12-11T00:09:15 < mawk> but anyway IPC using high level C++-style streams or QStreams or whatever sounds like a bad idea from the beggining
2018-12-11T00:09:24 < mawk> you just don't have enough control
2018-12-11T00:11:04 < karlp> but c++ is win? right? surely c++ ways are best....
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2018-12-11T00:31:43 < veverak> karlp: which ways?
2018-12-11T00:31:48 < veverak> there is so many of them... :)
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2018-12-11T00:38:02 < Laurenceb124> arg wtf Qt
2018-12-11T00:38:14 < Laurenceb124>     p.readAllStandardOutput(); gives many megabytes
2018-12-11T00:38:22 < Laurenceb124> I mean p.bytesToWrite
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2018-12-11T00:40:23 < Laurenceb124> magic disappearing data land
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2018-12-11T00:44:46 < Laurenceb124> wtf Qt
2018-12-11T00:45:08 < Laurenceb124> why did they even bother with a write method if its broken
2018-12-11T00:48:51 < Steffanx> Its not Blaxter-proof... :(
2018-12-11T00:49:49 < antto> outsorce every aspect of the job, eggcept the "getting teh moneyz" part
2018-12-11T00:51:12 < antto> sw33t!
2018-12-11T00:52:23 < antto> so.. a boss only care about getting teh moneyz
2018-12-11T00:52:31 < antto> that's kinda.. sad
2018-12-11T00:53:01 < antto> so.. wut he do wit teh moniez?
2018-12-11T00:53:36 < antto> yachts?
2018-12-11T00:53:38 < jadew> Cracki, doesn't seem like that's how the world works these days
2018-12-11T00:54:04 < jadew> there's a lot of money in selling shit to unsuspecting customers
2018-12-11T00:54:04 < antto> chips and whains?
2018-12-11T00:54:26 < jadew> isn't that how most kickstarters work?
2018-12-11T00:55:20 < jadew> you promise something you have no clue how to make and then you hire some random guy, who had the lowest bid on your freelancer project, to build it
2018-12-11T00:55:28 < jadew> and that's how most engineering jobs end up in India
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2018-12-11T00:56:33 < antto> huh.. that is "people with ideas"
2018-12-11T00:56:42 < jadew> they don't need a lot of money, so if you pay $10, instead of $2, you know you're getting the best
2018-12-11T01:02:03 < jadew> if it did, it meant that there are no crooks
2018-12-11T01:02:21 < jadew> *if it was
2018-12-11T01:04:58 < Laurenceb124> p.waitForBytesWritten(-1);
2018-12-11T01:05:02 < Laurenceb124> what the fuck Qt
2018-12-11T01:05:15 < Laurenceb124> thats not documented anywhere, found it in copypasta codez
2018-12-11T01:05:23 < Laurenceb124> works with aplay now
2018-12-11T01:05:32 < Laurenceb124> anything else fails
2018-12-11T01:05:43 < Thorn> if I had Laurenceb124's passport and job I'd have finished this project long time ago
2018-12-11T01:05:48 < Laurenceb124> kek
2018-12-11T01:05:55 < jadew> lol
2018-12-11T01:06:04 < jadew> infinite maybe?
2018-12-11T01:06:11 < Laurenceb124> Cracki: I dunno lol, seems to send the data right away
2018-12-11T01:06:18 < Laurenceb124>  >=0 has no effect
2018-12-11T01:06:46 < Laurenceb124> yeah but if I set a crazy time it just exits right away
2018-12-11T01:07:09 < Laurenceb124> maybe there is some sort of abort condition so it ends up doing nothing
2018-12-11T01:07:46 < jadew> they should have one called waitForIt()
2018-12-11T01:07:51 < Laurenceb124> heh
2018-12-11T01:09:01 < Laurenceb124> hardware is at work so I cant test
2018-12-11T01:09:19 < Laurenceb124> but my "slave" process is just a copypasta of aplay now (for reading stdin)
2018-12-11T01:10:07 < Laurenceb124> https://pastebin.com/zaT7xLPq
2018-12-11T01:11:11 < Laurenceb124> plays horrible screeching :P
2018-12-11T01:11:30 < Laurenceb124>  *autistic screeching*
2018-12-11T01:12:43 < Laurenceb124> keek
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2018-12-11T01:22:25 < _unreal_> do any of you know ASM?
2018-12-11T01:22:51 < PeterM> like x86 asm?
2018-12-11T01:22:59 < Laurenceb124> why.jpg
2018-12-11T01:23:06 < Laurenceb124> thumb2 is unironically nice
2018-12-11T01:23:10 < PeterM> or pic asm or cortex m asm?
2018-12-11T01:23:22 < PeterM> or do you mean australian skate magazine?
2018-12-11T01:23:23 < _unreal_> PIC
2018-12-11T01:23:44 < Laurenceb124> oh my god
2018-12-11T01:23:51 < Laurenceb124> I'd rather kill myself
2018-12-11T01:24:09 < PeterM> i think englishman might, but really this channel isnt intended for PIC users
2018-12-11T01:24:10 < _unreal_> http://www.dakeng.com/u2.html would love to convert the  tiny asm to C
2018-12-11T01:24:19 < _unreal_> there is no channel for it
2018-12-11T01:24:46 < englishman> idk about that PeterM
2018-12-11T01:24:47 < _unreal_> I didnt write it and i'm not sure what the code is saying
2018-12-11T01:24:50 < englishman> btw the lightbulb works PeterM
2018-12-11T01:25:02 < englishman> but i forgot about another device on that circuit and it blew the FUCK up
2018-12-11T01:25:20 < _unreal_> ya just step sequencing... I just dont know what its saying.
2018-12-11T01:25:45 < _unreal_> the step sequencing is in the code at the very bottom 1110111.....
2018-12-11T01:25:53 < PeterM> englishman is it brighter, or the same? also, what device was it that popped? :D got any pics?
2018-12-11T01:26:15 < englishman> it was a HID floodlight up on the top of a pole. the light burned out years ago and i forgot about it
2018-12-11T01:26:49 < PeterM> oh, nice
2018-12-11T01:27:00 < englishman> no it doesn't seem brighter
2018-12-11T01:27:07 < _unreal_> There are 2 things I'd like to do... one is add some to the code to make it so it could be used with a 16f877.. same code just add more step/dir in's and more phase outs
2018-12-11T01:27:09 < PeterM> double noice
2018-12-11T01:27:29 < _unreal_> and just convert the code to C so I could use it on arduino or my stem32 discovery
2018-12-11T01:28:12 < _unreal_> Cracki, I agree....
2018-12-11T01:34:20 < _unreal_> sigh....
2018-12-11T01:37:20 < aandrew> _unreal_: why use a chip like that
2018-12-11T01:37:34 < aandrew> there are stepper drivers that take care of that for you already without having to futz around with software
2018-12-11T01:55:07 < _unreal_> aandrew, because I have a need
2018-12-11T01:55:23 < _unreal_> and no there are not stepper drivers to do what I need. not with out great expense
2018-12-11T01:55:43 < _unreal_> I have a CNC machine setup with unipolar motors
2018-12-11T01:56:17 < _unreal_> and I have a bunch of unipolar drivers that I'm working on building... BUT I need phase control because they are just phase input only
2018-12-11T01:56:31 < _unreal_> so step/dir to phase and I'm good....
2018-12-11T01:57:02 < _unreal_> I'm not going to spend a small fortune on big motor controllers when I all ready have them....
2018-12-11T01:57:34 < _unreal_> it would be nice however to use the 16f877 chips i have on hand just so I can use one chip to take 3 step/dir instead of multi chips to do the same thing..... 
2018-12-11T01:58:07 < _unreal_> I have a bunch of sla7024s
2018-12-11T01:58:13 < _unreal_> yes
2018-12-11T01:58:28 < _unreal_> I have a bunch of sla7024/26's
2018-12-11T01:58:42 < _unreal_> unipolar stepper motor driver with current control 
2018-12-11T01:58:59 < _unreal_> very simple very compact....
2018-12-11T01:59:19 < _unreal_> 7 resistors, 5 caps and a pot is all it takes
2018-12-11T01:59:23 < _unreal_> there is?
2018-12-11T01:59:36 < _unreal_> what is the pic channel name
2018-12-11T02:00:05 < _unreal_> I'M SHOCKED... :)
2018-12-11T02:00:56 < _unreal_> I dont want to use/learn pic I just want to get one simple project done and forget about them for ever
2018-12-11T02:01:25 < aandrew> _unreal_: you have a need to drive steppers, or a need to reverse engineer this specific part?
2018-12-11T02:01:52 < _unreal_> modify one to use on an other if possible other ise I can just use what is published on the site as is
2018-12-11T02:02:17 < _unreal_> more like 3 or 4
2018-12-11T02:03:24 < aandrew> _unreal_: so you have problem A. There are solutions B and C, but you don't like B for one set of reasons and C for another set of reasons
2018-12-11T02:03:26 < _unreal_> the from that site, there is the 16f87 and the 12c508.. there is code for both of them to do exactly what I need BUT.... I was thinking it would be nice to add/modify the code to use the 16f877 that I have that has a shart... load of IO on it. and could do the entire job with one chip instead of multi
2018-12-11T02:03:45 < aandrew> _unreal_: what is it you would like us to help you with, besides pointing out that there are several ways to do this that you don't seem to like
2018-12-11T02:03:50 < _unreal_> I have the chips to do what I need but I was thinking it would be great to use those chips that I purchased JUST for that years and I do mean yeasr ago... finally
2018-12-11T02:04:14 < aandrew> _unreal_: we all of us here have piles of devices we'd like to use :-)
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2018-12-11T02:04:18 < aandrew> that's not an unusual problem
2018-12-11T02:04:33 < Laurenceb124> pic16f ?
2018-12-11T02:04:46 < Laurenceb124> wtf dude
2018-12-11T02:04:50 < _unreal_> ya this office is pilled with that very problem :) 
2018-12-11T02:05:17 < Thorn> pic16 must be defenestrated asap
2018-12-11T02:05:32 < _unreal_> def what?
2018-12-11T02:05:52 < Thorn> or incinerated
2018-12-11T02:06:00 < Thorn> or widlarized
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2018-12-11T02:06:06 < aandrew> I rather liked PIC16F. built my career on them
2018-12-11T02:06:16 < Laurenceb124> I liked atmega8
2018-12-11T02:06:19 < aandrew> PIC16C74A to start, then F77, the F877
2018-12-11T02:06:21 < _unreal_> thats a new word on me defenestrated
2018-12-11T02:06:22 < Laurenceb124> but I wouldnt stilluse it
2018-12-11T02:06:32 < aandrew> that's how i started out my professional career
2018-12-11T02:06:38 < aandrew> nowadays I won't touch PICs without a lot of money 
2018-12-11T02:10:16 < _unreal_> heh ya I recently purchased universal programmer.. just so I could program the chips that I purchased.....
2018-12-11T02:10:44 < _unreal_> then I got to thinking about it. it would be nice to modify the code to add support for a few more channels using the f877
2018-12-11T02:10:57 < _unreal_> Cracki, Thats what I would assume
2018-12-11T02:11:15 < _unreal_> but with out a lot of research I'd be a LOT lost
2018-12-11T02:11:42 < Laurenceb124> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46362259
2018-12-11T02:12:16 < englishman> thanks for the important news laurent
2018-12-11T02:12:49 < Thorn> for a moment I thought f877 was a stm32, not a pic16 :/
2018-12-11T02:13:05 < _unreal_> haaa... had you fooled
2018-12-11T02:13:31 < _unreal_> I got one for ya
2018-12-11T02:13:36 < _unreal_> kl03csp
2018-12-11T02:14:11 < _unreal_> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQS9bJvouGwh7gNKNyz3pC6SOha6CPVmvUUKe9AzsLpJeK4AJdVtg
2018-12-11T02:14:19 < _unreal_> I litteraly have one of these sitting on my desk
2018-12-11T02:14:42 < _unreal_> would be cool to play with but I've never found any demo boards....
2018-12-11T02:14:58 < _unreal_> and I dont know of any micro BGA boards for reflowing
2018-12-11T02:15:05 < _unreal_> its just a single chip in a business card
2018-12-11T02:15:34 < _unreal_> 32bit arm cortex m0+ 32kb flash... 
2018-12-11T02:15:54 < _unreal_> I was not thinking about using it for that
2018-12-11T02:16:00 < _unreal_> I cant anyways its mounted in a card
2018-12-11T02:16:21 < _unreal_> :p
2018-12-11T02:16:54 < _unreal_> was thinking it would be cool to have one of those bga to DIP conversion boards 
2018-12-11T02:16:57 < _unreal_> reflow it on :)
2018-12-11T02:17:18 < _unreal_> my father gave me a hand full
2018-12-11T02:17:39 < _unreal_> like I have an i.mx 6 cpu
2018-12-11T02:17:47 < _unreal_> ditting in one of these cards :)
2018-12-11T02:18:00 < _unreal_> sitting
2018-12-11T02:18:11 < _unreal_> oh well
2018-12-11T02:18:21 < _unreal_> brb getting more apple jack
2018-12-11T02:18:27 < _unreal_> homemade
2018-12-11T02:18:36 < _unreal_> tiss the season
2018-12-11T02:23:19 < _unreal_> huh?
2018-12-11T02:24:20 < _unreal_> ahh
2018-12-11T02:24:49 < _unreal_> pffffff............ apple jack is starting to kick in
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2018-12-11T02:25:04 < _unreal_> aandrew, you built your career on the pic?
2018-12-11T02:25:30 < Thorn> by replacing it with a real mcu
2018-12-11T02:25:46 < karlp> heh, got gadget ethernet up, link up crashed network-manager on the host. wheee
2018-12-11T02:26:10 < karlp> _unreal_: where you went wrong was buying a programmer to "make use of these old chips I have"
2018-12-11T02:26:17 < karlp> that was throwing good money after bad.
2018-12-11T02:26:18 < Thorn> achievement unlocked
2018-12-11T02:26:34 < karlp> well, got gadget ether up at least, that was success .)
2018-12-11T02:26:37 < _unreal_> hay I built one years ago
2018-12-11T02:26:42 < _unreal_> programmer that is
2018-12-11T02:26:56 < _unreal_> worked great for the 16f84
2018-12-11T02:27:19 < _unreal_> i'm talking 1998 when i was a senior in high school
2018-12-11T02:27:52 < _unreal_> I still have that little sucker in a draw... little serial programmer. only worked with the f84
2018-12-11T02:28:08 < _unreal_> maybe it used pic-prog 
2018-12-11T02:28:17 < _unreal_> oh well I dont remember... wehre talking win98 here
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2018-12-11T02:41:26 < jadew> ... I give up
2018-12-11T02:41:47 < jadew> 3 days of continous searching for the connector I wanted and no luck
2018-12-11T02:42:12 < jadew> best match is a $33 connector, so that's not gonna work
2018-12-11T02:42:37 < karlp> 3 days labour is a lot of connectors...
2018-12-11T02:42:54 < jadew> karlp, that's true too
2018-12-11T02:44:19 < Thorn> use pin headers
2018-12-11T02:44:25 < jadew> haha
2018-12-11T02:44:30 < Thorn> most universal connector ever
2018-12-11T02:44:48 < Thorn> ask any arduino master
2018-12-11T02:44:53 < jadew> Cracki, they wouldn't talk to me, they want volume
2018-12-11T02:47:28 < karlp> sweet, usb0+wlan0 bridge dhcp server, eth0 now dhcp client. this is beautiful
2018-12-11T02:48:05 < karlp> I don't even know if I need to get the combo usb eth gadget + serial console.
2018-12-11T02:48:19 < Laurenceb124> https://postimg.cc/9zdPxWNQ
2018-12-11T02:56:27 < karlp> fuck yes, unplug device cable, plug in otg cable with thumbdrive, insta mount success
2018-12-11T02:56:30 < karlp> great night
2018-12-11T02:57:18 < Laurenceb124> not with android right?
2018-12-11T02:58:37 < karlp> no, allwinning
2018-12-11T02:58:50 < karlp> nanopi duo2
2018-12-11T03:00:27 < Laurenceb124> woah lunix got something right
2018-12-11T03:00:52 < karlp> fucking great, all "just works"
2018-12-11T03:01:08 < karlp> (after all the other steps....)
2018-12-11T03:02:09 < jadew> karlp, what did you make:r?
2018-12-11T03:02:52 < karlp> nothihng, just testing ideas will work :)
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2018-12-11T03:08:09 < Laurenceb124> clearly tiem to stick a bazillion babbyshake sensors on it
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2018-12-11T03:10:50 < Laurenceb124> >not after birth abortion
2018-12-11T03:12:42 < Laurenceb124> https://postimg.cc/SXjRMGHM
2018-12-11T03:13:40 < jadew> wedding photos?
2018-12-11T03:14:12 < Laurenceb124> kek
2018-12-11T03:14:30 < Laurenceb124> I dont _think_ its a lesbian wedding
2018-12-11T03:15:33 < jadew> the photographer was stopped tho
2018-12-11T03:15:52 < jadew> I wonder if he had to run after taking that photo
2018-12-11T03:15:58 < jadew> *spotted
2018-12-11T03:17:24 < Laurenceb124> heh
2018-12-11T03:25:30 < jadew> after ordering for many years from aliexpress, always from the same address, they finally decided to use ip based location to figure out that I live in Poland...
2018-12-11T03:26:57 < sync> :D
2018-12-11T03:27:46 < Laurenceb124> The energy coming from my $10,000 solar panels on my $900,000 suburban home which feeds my $6000 EV charger which fuels my $60,000 Tesla is free! It comes from the sun.
2018-12-11T03:28:48 < jadew> at least something is free
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2018-12-11T03:41:08 < jadew> what IRC client are you guys using on windows?
2018-12-11T03:42:34 < jadew> lots of irssi bots I see
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2018-12-11T03:53:18 < jadew> we have irssi on first place, with 26 users
2018-12-11T03:53:27 < jadew> znc, 17
2018-12-11T03:53:30 < jadew> weechat: 13
2018-12-11T03:53:36 < jadew> quassel: 12
2018-12-11T03:53:42 < jadew> irccloud: 12
2018-12-11T03:53:47 < jadew> mirc: 7
2018-12-11T03:54:06 < jadew> and xchat, 4, the same as textual
2018-12-11T03:54:25 < jadew> everything else has less than 2 users
2018-12-11T03:54:33 < jadew> less or equal
2018-12-11T03:57:15 < mawk> hexchat jadew please
2018-12-11T03:57:18 < mawk> very different from xchat
2018-12-11T03:57:19 < _unreal_> jadew, I use to use my zipit original with irssi
2018-12-11T03:57:27 < mawk> it's a fork with a lot more features
2018-12-11T03:57:29 < mawk> and theming abilities
2018-12-11T03:57:30 < _unreal_> I'm using xchat
2018-12-11T03:57:31 < jadew> mawk, two hexchat clients
2018-12-11T03:57:32 < mawk> and scripting
2018-12-11T03:57:37 < mawk> a
2018-12-11T03:57:49 < mawk> then use hexchat _unreal_ 
2018-12-11T03:57:55 < _unreal_> :p
2018-12-11T03:57:56 < mawk> it's a superset of xchat
2018-12-11T03:58:37 < _unreal_> omg what is with the dog....
2018-12-11T03:58:42 < _unreal_> guess I'll take him out
2018-12-11T03:59:31 < Laurenceb124> xchat here
2018-12-11T03:59:37 < mawk> take him down
2018-12-11T03:59:40 < mawk> use hexchat Laurenceb124 please
2018-12-11T03:59:45 < Laurenceb124> kek ok
2018-12-11T03:59:58 < mawk> you have nick coloration and all
2018-12-11T04:00:22 < mawk> Laurenceb124: https://pix.watch/AX3fxu/9Is4Q-.png
2018-12-11T04:00:57 < jadew> mawk, great color choice, I'm red on my client too :P
2018-12-11T04:01:03 < mawk> lol
2018-12-11T04:04:43 < _unreal_> I use to use this version of MIRC called peacemaker
2018-12-11T04:04:51 < _unreal_> full of scripts
2018-12-11T04:05:22 < _unreal_> lol google does not even reference it
2018-12-11T04:05:34 < _unreal_> I wonder if I still have a copy of the install on some old harddrive
2018-12-11T04:05:36 < _unreal_> prob do
2018-12-11T04:06:08 < jadew> I got used to weechat at some point
2018-12-11T04:06:09 < mawk> mIRC is the devil's work
2018-12-11T04:06:13 < mawk> yeah weechat is nice
2018-12-11T04:06:17 < jadew> maybe I should switch back to it
2018-12-11T04:06:20 < mawk> but my server broke and I lost my config
2018-12-11T04:06:31 < mawk> so used hexchat as a temp solution that became permanent
2018-12-11T04:06:39 < Laurenceb124> interdasting
2018-12-11T04:06:55 < jadew> weechat has python scripting, right?
2018-12-11T04:06:59 < Laurenceb124> I need to call the waitForBytesWritten(-1) at >50hz or it all goes horribly wrong
2018-12-11T04:07:00 < jadew> what do the other ones have?
2018-12-11T04:07:22 < Laurenceb124> 100hz seems to work reliably
2018-12-11T04:07:28 < mawk> yes jadew 
2018-12-11T04:07:38 < mawk> Laurenceb124: ...
2018-12-11T04:07:45 < mawk> that's a clear sign of great fuckedupness
2018-12-11T04:07:47 < mawk> don't do that
2018-12-11T04:08:14 < Laurenceb124> mawk: well unless I call it that fast the whole thing just locks up
2018-12-11T04:08:25 < mawk> what happens at time of lock up ?
2018-12-11T04:08:28 < mawk> exactly
2018-12-11T04:08:28 < Laurenceb124> and the data accumulates inside the write buffer 
2018-12-11T04:08:43 < mawk> the slave doesn't consume it ?
2018-12-11T04:08:45 < Laurenceb124> and only gets sent when I close the write channel
2018-12-11T04:08:47 < Laurenceb124> nope
2018-12-11T04:08:59 < mawk> so it's not in the pipe buffer
2018-12-11T04:08:59 < Laurenceb124> I can see it in the buffer inside the master Qt application
2018-12-11T04:09:02 < mawk> it's in Qt's buffer
2018-12-11T04:09:03 < Laurenceb124> nope
2018-12-11T04:09:06 < Laurenceb124> yeah I mean
2018-12-11T04:09:10 < mawk> yeah
2018-12-11T04:09:17 < mawk> so Qt is bad for this application
2018-12-11T04:09:25 < mawk> especially if you use it for high-speed data transfer
2018-12-11T04:09:25 < Laurenceb124>     qDebug()<<p.bytesToWrite();
2018-12-11T04:09:28 < mawk> you don't want buffering
2018-12-11T04:09:33 < Laurenceb124> ^shows a few megabytes when it locks up
2018-12-11T04:09:50 < mawk> pipes have an underlying buffer already
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2018-12-11T04:10:07 < mawk> use buffering over that only if you feel you will produce faster than the slave will consume
2018-12-11T04:10:10 < mawk> which shouldn't happen
2018-12-11T04:10:39 < mawk> and if the slave doesn't consume fast enough write() will just block
2018-12-11T04:10:44 < mawk> on the master side
2018-12-11T04:10:57 < Laurenceb124> yeah
2018-12-11T04:11:05 < jadew`> ok.. this might work
2018-12-11T04:11:07 < mawk> so Laurenceb124 time to try without Qt if you can't figure out how to disable buffering
2018-12-11T04:11:15 < jadew`> I have to re-learn the shortcuts
2018-12-11T04:11:31 < Laurenceb124> https://pastebin.com/zaT7xLPq
2018-12-11T04:11:36 < Laurenceb124> mawk: ^ my test code
2018-12-11T04:11:57 < Laurenceb124> that version calls at 50hz and it sometimes glitches out
2018-12-11T04:12:13 < Laurenceb124> if I rewrite it to 100hz its always reliable
2018-12-11T04:12:52 < mawk> yeah that's fucked up Laurenceb124 
2018-12-11T04:12:55 < mawk> it shouldn't glitch
2018-12-11T04:13:04 < mawk> it should either work, or block until consumed then work
2018-12-11T04:13:28 < Laurenceb124> looks like something is broken internally in Qt O_o
2018-12-11T04:13:58 < Laurenceb124> dont have hardware here to test with actual hardware, I'll try that technique tomorrow
2018-12-11T04:14:02 < mawk> :(
2018-12-11T04:14:06 < mawk> you'll go to hell
2018-12-11T04:14:09 < Laurenceb124> heh
2018-12-11T04:14:12 < mawk> it's not a technique, it's a terrible hack
2018-12-11T04:14:17 < Laurenceb124> kek
2018-12-11T04:14:27 < Laurenceb124> for some reason it fixes it
2018-12-11T04:15:03 < mawk> why don't you just move the waitForBytesWritten right after the right ?
2018-12-11T04:15:08 < mawk> and ditch the sleep
2018-12-11T04:15:13 < mawk> it feels more natural
2018-12-11T04:15:50 < mawk> or just ditch the sleep and keep the flush where it is, if you want to buffer some stuff in chunks before sending
2018-12-11T04:15:56 < Laurenceb124> because I was trying to break it :P
2018-12-11T04:16:26 < mawk> ah
2018-12-11T04:16:36 < jadew`> weechat isn't working great under putty
2018-12-11T04:16:41 < jadew`> no links recognition
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2018-12-11T04:16:54 < mawk> that's not weechat's fault jadew 
2018-12-11T04:17:00 < mawk> you can try another terminal emulator
2018-12-11T04:17:11 < jadew> still, doesn't do what I want
2018-12-11T04:17:13 < mawk> I don't like putty very much, I use cygwin with mintty
2018-12-11T04:17:30 < jadew> I'm used to putty
2018-12-11T04:19:01 < mawk> when you're fed up with dirty hacks you can use something else than Qt for spawning the slave Laurenceb124 
2018-12-11T04:19:07 < mawk> it's pretty easy
2018-12-11T04:19:47 < mawk> you create all your pipes, you fork(), you do your slave thing, in the master you read from/write to the pipes
2018-12-11T04:19:49 < Laurenceb124> I'll see how I get on with it :D
2018-12-11T04:20:04 < Laurenceb124> jadew: clearly you need to spawn a thread to flush weechat with an undocumented argument of -1 at 100hz
2018-12-11T04:20:10 < mawk> lol
2018-12-11T04:20:34 < jadew> I don't think it's written in Qt
2018-12-11T04:25:00 < jadew> any ideas on how those extruded aluminium boxes are cut?
2018-12-11T04:25:14 < jadew> I need to know the length tollerance
2018-12-11T04:25:21 < jadew> *tolerance
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2018-12-11T04:46:49 < jadew> I always forget
2018-12-11T04:47:08 < jadew> 2.1mm is the most common DC connector dimension, right?
2018-12-11T04:48:51 < mawk> 2.1mm ? which connector ?
2018-12-11T04:49:22 < jadew> those DC jacks you find on everything
2018-12-11T04:49:30 < jadew> that would be the diameter of the center conductor
2018-12-11T04:49:33 < mawk> 2.1mm sounds very small
2018-12-11T04:49:33 < mawk> ah
2018-12-11T04:49:43 < jadew> that's how they specify them
2018-12-11T04:49:44 < mawk> ah you mean the onboard part
2018-12-11T04:49:46 < jadew> 2.1, 2.5
2018-12-11T04:49:51 < jadew> yeah
2018-12-11T04:50:15 < jadew> I think it's 2.1
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2018-12-11T05:34:38 < jadew> Autodeks made the best decision by having a free tier for Fusion
2018-12-11T05:34:45 < jadew> autodesk
2018-12-11T05:35:01 < jadew> it will make a lot of people fall in love with it
2018-12-11T05:35:33 < jadew> and even if not enough people get to upgrade to a paid subscription, they can just cut access to everyone
2018-12-11T05:35:55 < jadew> and they'll have a huge number of people wanting to buy it
2018-12-11T05:36:02 < jadew> me included
2018-12-11T05:36:32 < jadew> it's so.... great
2018-12-11T05:36:48 < jadew> even the cloud thing is cool (I wish it was optional)
2018-12-11T05:37:47 < jadew> they have that mobile app, so when you go to talk to a machinist, if the drawings you bring are not enough, you can quickly pull the 3D model on your phone and show him the missing info
2018-12-11T05:48:27 < Thorn> should I upgrade to Altium Disaster 19?
2018-12-11T05:51:55 < ds2> what format does Autodesk natively save in?
2018-12-11T05:52:02 < ds2> Autodesk Fusion
2018-12-11T05:52:09 < jadew> ds2, it doesn't
2018-12-11T05:52:12 < jadew> you can export
2018-12-11T05:52:23 < jadew> (the entire project)
2018-12-11T05:52:29 < jadew> basically saving it...
2018-12-11T05:52:36 < jadew> but it's a custom thing
2018-12-11T05:53:10 < englishman> CTCP reply to jadew: VERSION mIRC v3.92
2018-12-11T05:53:15 < englishman> nice statistic gathering bro
2018-12-11T05:53:23 < englishman> but your stats might be juked
2018-12-11T05:53:44 < jadew> could be
2018-12-11T05:54:21 < jadew> Cracki for example considered I don't need to know
2018-12-11T05:54:40 < englishman> Thorn: not yet
2018-12-11T05:54:50 < jadew> [03:42.14] [Cracki VERSION reply]: you don't need to know
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2018-12-11T05:55:17 < Thorn> ok thx
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2018-12-11T05:56:17 < Thorn> official webinar on new features in 19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7TczbTQl4U
2018-12-11T05:56:22 < ds2> oh blah
2018-12-11T05:56:38 < ds2> I'll stick with Alibre
2018-12-11T05:56:40 < englishman> Спасибо!
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2018-12-11T06:43:47 < jadew> I found the flaw in the CE
2018-12-11T06:43:55 < jadew> "While manufacturers are responsible for ensuring product compliance and affixing the CE marking, importers must make sure that the products they place on the market comply with the applicable requirements and do not present a risk to the European public. The importer has to verify that the manufacturer outside the EU has taken the necessary steps and that the documentation is available upon request."
2018-12-11T06:44:44 < jadew> this is the part that makes it perfectly fine for non complient manufacturers from overseas to compete with EU-made products, without having to deal with the same compliance issues
2018-12-11T06:45:46 < Thorn> because the responsibility is shifted onto the importer?
2018-12-11T06:45:50 < jadew> yes
2018-12-11T06:46:02 < jadew> and if the importer is the end-user, then nobody checks anything
2018-12-11T06:46:30 < jadew> (because they're not placing them on the market)
2018-12-11T06:47:27 < jadew> everyone is allowed to buy anything, but as a manufacturer, you're not allowed not to jump through a bunch of legal hoops, spend money on useless testing 
2018-12-11T06:47:45 < jadew> and ultimately, be liable
2018-12-11T07:16:06 < sync> nobody checks anything ever jadew
2018-12-11T07:16:32 < jadew> that's my impression too, but you still have to do the tests and put the documentation together
2018-12-11T07:16:41 < sync> no you don't
2018-12-11T07:16:53 < sync> the only thing you *have* to do is write down that you comply
2018-12-11T07:17:01 < sync> nobody forces you to actually do the testing
2018-12-11T07:17:23 < jadew> and if you're asked to prove that you comply?
2018-12-11T07:17:49 < sync> well, yes and no
2018-12-11T07:17:54 < sync> you say that you do
2018-12-11T07:18:15 < sync> and then basically the other party has to sue you and *prove* that you don't comply
2018-12-11T07:18:19 < sync> which nobody ever does
2018-12-11T07:18:27 < jadew> I see
2018-12-11T07:18:29 < jadew> that's good to know
2018-12-11T07:18:32 < sync> because it is a hassle and why would you do that
2018-12-11T07:18:48 < jadew> well, I intend to comply anyway - main reason I'm using a big chunk of aluminium in this thing
2018-12-11T07:19:14 < jadew> also, am I reading this right, is test equipment extempt from FCC regulations?
2018-12-11T07:19:19 < sync> I mean, you will get suprise buttseks'd if your product is grossly interfering with something or killing its users
2018-12-11T07:19:26 < sync> but apart from that #yolo
2018-12-11T07:19:35 < sync> FCC is a completely different ballgame
2018-12-11T07:20:20 < jadew> if I want to sell to the US, I have to be FCC compliant too?
2018-12-11T07:20:22 < jadew> or just CE?
2018-12-11T07:21:06 < sync> CE has no meaning in the us
2018-12-11T07:21:35 < jadew> ah, I hoped there's some agreement, I guess there isn't
2018-12-11T07:24:39 < jadew> https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2002-title47-vol1/pdf/CFR-2002-title47-vol1-sec15-103.pdf
2018-12-11T07:25:00 < jadew> on page 1
2018-12-11T07:25:12 < jadew> letter (c)
2018-12-11T07:25:21 < jadew> apparently test equipment is exempt
2018-12-11T07:26:00 < jadew> that's good
2018-12-11T07:26:07 < sync> only if it is purely digital :DD
2018-12-11T07:26:19 < jadew> really?
2018-12-11T07:26:33 < jadew> it doesn't say purely digital :)
2018-12-11T07:27:07 < jadew> few pieces of test equipment are purely digital anyway
2018-12-11T07:27:29 < jadew> looking at some of my agilent test gear, it doesn't seem to have the FCC logo on the back
2018-12-11T07:27:57 < jadew> just the CE
2018-12-11T07:28:05 < jadew> and ISM 1-A next to it
2018-12-11T07:28:09 < jadew> which I'm not sure what it means
2018-12-11T07:28:18 < jadew> something related to medical stuff (not sure)
2018-12-11T07:29:28 < sync> it says digital
2018-12-11T07:29:42 < jadew> well... MCUs are digital
2018-12-11T07:29:48 < jadew> and some other ICs too
2018-12-11T07:30:10 < sync> but yeah, test equipment is exempt
2018-12-11T07:30:15 < jadew> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81vU3s2JeLL._SL1500_.jpg
2018-12-11T07:30:21 < sync> depending on what you do you might need UL tho
2018-12-11T07:30:27 < jadew> I don't have this one, but you can see there's no FCC marking
2018-12-11T07:30:36 < jadew> there doesn't seem to be on signal generators either
2018-12-11T07:31:05 < jadew> and those are pretty far from purely digital
2018-12-11T07:32:42 < sync> yeah, it's the same deal tho
2018-12-11T07:33:05 < sync> although ime FCC cracks down harder than others
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2018-12-11T07:34:04 < jadew> well, it's good it doesn't apply then
2018-12-11T07:34:53 < jadew> most of my future projects will be test equipment or related, so that's good
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2018-12-11T10:11:05 < rajkosto> for equal brightness of high power leds, is it better to wire them serial or parallel
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2018-12-11T10:13:45 < zyp> wiring them in series would make sure they all run at the same current
2018-12-11T10:14:17 < rajkosto> dont the ones that have slightly different brightness have a slightly different voltage drop ?
2018-12-11T10:16:22 < zyp> you're thinking about it the wrong way around
2018-12-11T10:16:24 < rajkosto> in that case a slightly higher current might equialize their brightness ?
2018-12-11T10:17:08 < zyp> what you want is to avoid the voltage drop causing them to have different brightness
2018-12-11T10:17:39 < rajkosto> its just luck of the draw tolerance 
2018-12-11T10:19:05 < zyp> well, consider this, let's say we wire two of them together directly in parallel to the same current source (or current limiting resistor)
2018-12-11T10:20:25 < zyp> let's say one of them will have a slightly lower drop than the other, this will cause this led to be the path of least resistance, giving it an unproportionally high amount of the total supplied current, making it a lot brighter than the other
2018-12-11T10:24:52 < rajkosto> is 3014  the brightest package ?
2018-12-11T10:27:06 < rajkosto> well i can either use a boost converter constant current board to drive them in series up to 88v or just a constant current LED regulator with no boost (so can drive up to 9.4v off a 12v supply)
2018-12-11T10:28:10 < zyp> well, you can't wire leds in parallel without current limiting resistors
2018-12-11T10:28:45 < rajkosto> constant current supplies are more efficient than sticking resistors next to the elds
2018-12-11T10:29:28 < zyp> yes, but then you need one channel per led or string of leds
2018-12-11T10:30:18 < rajkosto> you cant just wire 4 groups of 3 leds in series and use one constant current driver for that ?
2018-12-11T10:30:32 < zyp> because any time you hook leds in parallel without anything else between, small variations in Vf will lead to big variations in which way the current goes
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2018-12-11T10:31:08 < zyp> current takes the path of least resistance, and when you're talking diodes, that's the path of lowest Vf
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2018-12-11T10:32:49 < zyp> consider how a V/I chart for a led looks
2018-12-11T10:34:55 < zyp> when you wire two leds in parallel, V = V1 = V2, I = I1 + I2, when you apply I to the two leds in parallel, the resulting V is where the sum of the led currents hits I
2018-12-11T10:36:19 < zyp> if the leds differ a lot in Vf, one of them might be below the knee in the curve, resulting in most power going to one led and almost none to the other
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2018-12-11T10:37:54 < dongs> sup dongs
2018-12-11T10:38:03 < rajkosto> but u are dongs
2018-12-11T10:40:14 < rajkosto> zyp, https://www.ebay.com/itm/540mm-LED-Backlight-Strip-Kit-For-24-inch-Update-CCFL-LCD-Screen-To-LED-Mo-N1Y3/332920294124 these seem to run 3 in series and then all that in parallel... for 70 leds
2018-12-11T10:41:16 < dongs> heh
2018-12-11T10:42:31 < dongs> rajkosto: i jsut had some customer get 24" panels that used to be CCFL that were outfitted with those led shits 
2018-12-11T10:42:44 < dongs> i asked them for panel part#$... and i search it.. and its ccfl
2018-12-11T10:42:50 < dongs> and the shit was obviously led
2018-12-11T10:42:50 < rajkosto> yes
2018-12-11T10:43:03 < rajkosto> these replacement kits are the same thickness as the thin tubes
2018-12-11T10:43:04 < dongs> so iw as like how? and they're like oh, we update all old panels this way before sending
2018-12-11T10:43:06 < rajkosto> and can slide right in
2018-12-11T10:43:07 < dongs> heh
2018-12-11T10:44:23 < rajkosto> and they have the same control circuitry as the original ccfl inverters
2018-12-11T10:44:31 < rajkosto> so enable/brightness works
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2018-12-11T10:45:14 < rajkosto> i have ccfl panels here that when you search their model... you get the led panel variant only
2018-12-11T10:45:37 < rajkosto> as the manufacturer just replaced all ccfl panels anyway with the same thing but led
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2018-12-11T11:10:00 < Haohmaru> lm358 SOIC8 woz soldered backwordz, the 5V regulator didn't like it.. the question is.. does the opamp got chances to be okay?
2018-12-11T11:10:17 < Haohmaru> or should i burry it
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2018-12-11T11:29:36 < Haohmaru> answer: it w0rkz \o/
2018-12-11T11:55:43 < kakimir> when I invert signed integer
2018-12-11T11:55:49 < kakimir> to positive
2018-12-11T11:56:08 < kakimir> by *-1
2018-12-11T11:56:37 < kakimir> what if value of integer is INTn_MIN?
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2018-12-11T12:10:28 < kakimir> usart_print_decimal_ui16((uint16_t)(global_temperature_celsius_x1 * -1));//Invert, cast and print
2018-12-11T12:11:07 < kakimir> why does this shit the bet where without invert it doesn't?
2018-12-11T12:11:38 < kakimir> it just says recipe failed
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2018-12-11T12:12:29 < kakimir> global_temperature_celsius_x1 is int8_t
2018-12-11T12:13:02 < kakimir> I think I have done this for a dozen of times before without problems
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2018-12-11T13:04:53 < jpa-> kakimir: "recipe failed"? "shit the bet"?
2018-12-11T13:06:03 < zyp> haha
2018-12-11T13:06:09 < kakimir> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/07c17314/ did this to compile it
2018-12-11T13:06:19 < kakimir> instead of if else with their own prints
2018-12-11T13:06:42 < zyp> wtf
2018-12-11T13:07:07 < jpa-> why don't you just   global_temperature_celsius_x1 = -global_temperature_celsius_x1;
2018-12-11T13:07:51 < kakimir> I should only read it
2018-12-11T13:08:01 < jpa-> ok
2018-12-11T13:08:14 < zyp> also it's an int8
2018-12-11T13:08:18 < kakimir> man.. it's global variable where the temperature is written periodically?
2018-12-11T13:08:39 < jpa-> yeah, makes sense not to write to the global
2018-12-11T13:08:49 < zyp> -128 will overflow :p
2018-12-11T13:08:52 < jpa-> i'd write to a local variable to avoid a multiply, but it's not like it matters much on cortex-m
2018-12-11T13:09:36 < kakimir> I didn't say but print with variable * -1 worked outside if else condition
2018-12-11T13:09:51 < jpa-> so how does it "not work"?
2018-12-11T13:09:54 < zyp> also, what's the point of usart_print_decimal_ui16?
2018-12-11T13:10:04 < kakimir> but when I placed it inside the condition recipe failed
2018-12-11T13:10:25 < jpa-> kakimir: what does "recipe failed" mean? it fails to compile?
2018-12-11T13:10:25 < zyp> I don't see any benefit from having a 16bit version of that func
2018-12-11T13:10:30 < kakimir> yes
2018-12-11T13:10:35 < kakimir> without any specific errors
2018-12-11T13:10:42 < zyp> haha
2018-12-11T13:10:52 < jpa-> sounds like you fail to use your compiler :)
2018-12-11T13:11:01 < kakimir> it's ide
2018-12-11T13:11:20 < kakimir> I don't touch it
2018-12-11T13:11:30 < jpa-> "it's ide" doesn't mean you don't have to know what you are doing
2018-12-11T13:11:48 < kakimir> I seriosly don't have a clue
2018-12-11T13:12:03 < zyp> maybe try to get a clue then
2018-12-11T13:12:31 < zyp> instead of going "idk what I'm doing plz halp", maybe try to figure out what you're doing
2018-12-11T13:12:31 < kakimir> why would it shit the bet when I place that inverted variable print inside condition and compile ok when it's outside of it
2018-12-11T13:13:00 < zyp> because you fucked up something and if you read the actual compiler error you would know how
2018-12-11T13:13:19 < zyp> so figure that out instead of asking other people to guess at how you fucked up
2018-12-11T13:14:18 < kakimir> without any clue it's fruitless chase
2018-12-11T13:14:27 < zyp> exactly
2018-12-11T13:14:33 < zyp> that's why you need to get a clue
2018-12-11T13:14:48 < kakimir> that is why I asked
2018-12-11T13:15:05 < zyp> you're not asking the right questions
2018-12-11T13:15:15 < kakimir> exactly
2018-12-11T13:15:37 < kakimir> how do I see the real compiler output in this visual studio / atmel studio thing?
2018-12-11T13:16:04 < kakimir> googling
2018-12-11T13:16:04 < jpa-> kakimir: try to make a blatant error to see if you *ever* see the real compiler errors
2018-12-11T13:17:09 < kakimir> this thing prints only line errors
2018-12-11T13:17:18 < kakimir> apparently
2018-12-11T13:17:53 < jpa-> if you really can't find out what's happening, at the extreme you can use strace/dtruss/process monitor to see what the IDE and compiler are doing
2018-12-11T13:18:29 < jpa-> kakimir: do you have the output window open? have you checked all the options from "Show output from:"? https://www.visualmicro.com/page/User-Guide.aspx?doc=Output-Window.html
2018-12-11T13:19:38 < kakimir> *facepalm*
2018-12-11T13:20:03 < kakimir> it has output button
2018-12-11T13:20:25 < kakimir> and I use it regulary *facepalm*
2018-12-11T13:26:10 < kakimir> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/fa7fe094/
2018-12-11T13:26:49 < kakimir> it took effort to replicate the error.. it needed just the right condition to occur
2018-12-11T13:27:15 < kakimir> if with invert and else without invert
2018-12-11T13:27:36 < kakimir> interesting enough if both had inverted variable output it compiled
2018-12-11T13:27:45 < kakimir> *interesingly
2018-12-11T13:29:23 < Streaker> *interedoubly
2018-12-11T13:30:06 < kakimir> something got truncated and idk. it was bad maybe
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2018-12-11T14:22:23 < PaulFertser> kakimir: have you tried adding -mrelax ?
2018-12-11T14:22:35 < PaulFertser> kakimir: as per https://stackoverflow.com/a/15782933 
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2018-12-11T14:55:59 < kakimir> oh that it is for
2018-12-11T14:56:08 < kakimir> -mrelax
2018-12-11T14:56:13 < kakimir> thanks PaulFertser 
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2018-12-11T14:57:23 < PaulFertser> kakimir: did it help?
2018-12-11T14:58:45 < rajkosto> can i have uart DMA its one received byte always to the same address ?
2018-12-11T15:00:15 < kakimir> PaulFertser: I'll try if the problem reoccurs later
2018-12-11T15:00:40 < kakimir> with -mrelax I expect larger binary
2018-12-11T15:02:36 < kakimir> if binary size is less than 4kB that problem doesn't occur and final version without diagnosis output will fit to 4kB chip
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2018-12-11T15:08:49 < karlp> dongs approved coin mining: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/zkYQ9uWCXs-~7lZ5aQIvcw
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2018-12-11T15:28:09 < Laurenceb> wtf
2018-12-11T15:28:14 < Laurenceb> none of the fixes work
2018-12-11T15:28:21 < Laurenceb> Qt even more broken than before
2018-12-11T15:28:41 < Laurenceb> guess I'll try converting everything to hex and using QTextStream before giving up
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2018-12-11T15:37:00 < englishman> laurent tries Qt: day 47
2018-12-11T15:42:22 < Laurenceb> accurate
2018-12-11T15:42:28 < Laurenceb> tiem for some lunch
2018-12-11T15:42:46 < Laurenceb> then i will fail at QTextStream
2018-12-11T15:42:48 < c10ud> #qt
2018-12-11T15:43:15 < Laurenceb> I'm B&
2018-12-11T15:43:20 < c10ud> lol
2018-12-11T15:43:33 < c10ud> how?
2018-12-11T15:43:44 < Laurenceb> not for shit I did, its their pedo spammer blocker
2018-12-11T15:43:49 < Laurenceb> its gone wrong
2018-12-11T15:49:15 < Laurenceb> https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-first-picture-train-passenger-13717657
2018-12-11T15:49:55 < Laurenceb> I heard she liked refugee poles
2018-12-11T15:52:52 < c10ud> r/incels leaking
2018-12-11T15:53:04 < Laurenceb> kek
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2018-12-11T16:01:35 < aandrew> they cant stop saying things like "heading to", awesome
2018-12-11T16:03:25 < Laurenceb> she was heading to her doom
2018-12-11T16:11:06 < c10ud> where's britain heading though? I kinda liked London
2018-12-11T16:11:38 < Laurenceb> wut
2018-12-11T16:11:49 < Laurenceb> its aweful
2018-12-11T16:12:02 < Laurenceb> like a britbong theme park filled with tourists
2018-12-11T16:12:21 < Laurenceb> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46521930
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2018-12-11T16:43:53 < bitmask> alright, gonna order my first pcbs today
2018-12-11T16:44:04 < bitmask> lets hope I didn't fuck it all up
2018-12-11T16:50:02 < emeryth> print them on paper first and check the footprints
2018-12-11T16:51:28 < kakimir> don't fuck up
2018-12-11T16:52:02 < bitmask> I did print them but I should probably do it again since I've made changes since, its worth a sheet of paper and a little ink
2018-12-11T16:55:42 < jpa-> don't worry, we'll be ready to ridicule you once the fail becomes apparent
2018-12-11T16:55:51 < bitmask> :)
2018-12-11T16:56:01 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/TiEdLfN the case for one of the boards came out decent
2018-12-11T16:57:14 < bitmask> I think I want to print it in PETG though
2018-12-11T16:57:41 < Ecco> Hi :)
2018-12-11T17:00:53 < aandrew> that did turn out pretty nice
2018-12-11T17:00:59 < aandrew> what kind of plastic is that, it kind of glows blue
2018-12-11T17:01:53 < Ecco> I was wondering: is it a bad idea to power external chips from an STM32?
2018-12-11T17:02:09 < Ecco> I'm looking at a Flash chip
2018-12-11T17:02:35 < bitmask> its silky aqua PLA+ from atomic filament
2018-12-11T17:02:41 < Ecco> and it as a non-zero power down consumption
2018-12-11T17:02:42 < bitmask> its a bitch to print with
2018-12-11T17:02:49 < jpa-> Ecco: you mean from gpio? i've done it, it works, just check the specs
2018-12-11T17:02:54 < Ecco> jpa-: yep
2018-12-11T17:03:14 < jpa-> main problem is what to do about the decoupling cap for the IC
2018-12-11T17:03:17 < Ecco> in the sample schematics from ST, they hook the flash's VCC to a 3.3V rail
2018-12-11T17:03:24 < Ecco> well, shouldn't it decouple the GPIO?
2018-12-11T17:03:37 < Ecco> I mean, just hook it to the GPIO output too, as if it were VCC?
2018-12-11T17:03:55 < jpa-> kinda, but then you get a big current spike when you switch the GPIO on
2018-12-11T17:04:04 < Ecco> indeed. Is that a bad thing?
2018-12-11T17:04:05 < englishman> what kind of current will pass thru that pin when its load is 0.1uF?
2018-12-11T17:04:24 < Ecco> Actually my concern is very dumb
2018-12-11T17:04:32 < Ecco> I'd like to use an external flash chip
2018-12-11T17:05:04 < Ecco> but it has a 10 uA standby current
2018-12-11T17:05:16 < jpa-> englishman: more than absolute maximum, if there is no series resistor
2018-12-11T17:05:17 < Ecco> I'd like it better if I could make it zero
2018-12-11T17:05:22 < englishman> right
2018-12-11T17:05:27 < englishman> concern: valid
2018-12-11T17:05:34 < Ecco> oh, that's itneresting
2018-12-11T17:05:39 < jpa-> if there is series resistor, it easily has too much voltage drop
2018-12-11T17:05:52 < jpa-> if it has series inductor, you get to analyze weird oscillations
2018-12-11T17:05:54 < Ecco> so it should be (low-resistor) ---- (cap-to-gnd) --- device
2018-12-11T17:05:58 < Ecco> ?
2018-12-11T17:06:01 < jpa-> maybe
2018-12-11T17:06:11 < Ecco> seems awfully complicated
2018-12-11T17:06:19 < jpa-> is this for a product or for hobby?
2018-12-11T17:06:24 < Ecco> for a product
2018-12-11T17:06:40 < englishman> good thing you asked the IRC professionals
2018-12-11T17:06:43 < Ecco> :-D
2018-12-11T17:06:52 < Ecco> Well, I'm pretty sure it'd work anyway in practice :)
2018-12-11T17:07:17 < englishman> I've heard Elon Musk saying that
2018-12-11T17:07:37 < karlp> does it have an enable pin?
2018-12-11T17:07:47 < karlp> where does "standby" current come from?
2018-12-11T17:08:03 < Ecco> karlp: well, yes, it has a CS pin
2018-12-11T17:08:04 < karlp> don't _power_ it from a gpio, but _enable_ it from a gpio...
2018-12-11T17:08:14 < karlp> which flash?
2018-12-11T17:08:19 < Ecco> AT25SF641
2018-12-11T17:08:26 < Ecco> Problem: it draws current even when disabled
2018-12-11T17:08:43 < jpa-> looks like last time i did similar with M25PE16, i just used BSH105 on the GND pin and controlled that from GPIO
2018-12-11T17:09:15 < jpa-> Ecco: 2µA deep power down sounds pretty little
2018-12-11T17:09:50 < Ecco> yes, but you need to send it a command to switch to deep power-down
2018-12-11T17:09:51 < jpa-> also, it exceeds the GPIO capacity by taking up to 25mA when operating
2018-12-11T17:10:02 < Ecco> (IIRC)
2018-12-11T17:10:32 < karlp> Ecco: you need to have the commands in place to use it anyway.
2018-12-11T17:10:36 < karlp> so what's the problem?
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2018-12-11T17:10:43 < karlp> use as per manufacturers directions....
2018-12-11T17:10:45 < karlp> no problem.
2018-12-11T17:11:07 < Ecco> well, sure, there's a tried-and-tested way
2018-12-11T17:11:19 < Ecco> I didn't realize the max power draw was too high
2018-12-11T17:11:30 < karlp> it's only 10uA with just CS high/low,
2018-12-11T17:11:32 < Ecco> but that appart, I was wondering if one could save power in idle
2018-12-11T17:11:36 < karlp> you can get down to 2uA with deep sleep command,
2018-12-11T17:11:45 < Ecco> sure, it's no big deal
2018-12-11T17:11:45 < karlp> if that's not good enough, you have other problems....
2018-12-11T17:12:10 < Ecco> you're right
2018-12-11T17:12:12 < jpa-> powering from GPIO is not wrong, it's just a MOSFET anyway, but the current you can take is pretty small (i'd only do it for up to maybe 1mA)
2018-12-11T17:28:24 < Ecco> hmm, I see
2018-12-11T17:28:26 < Ecco> thanks :)
2018-12-11T17:32:02 < Laurenceb> ok wtf Qt
2018-12-11T17:32:03 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/VNtjgAMS
2018-12-11T17:32:20 < Laurenceb> I managed to get hex to stream to the sub process, but it looks like that
2018-12-11T17:32:24 < Laurenceb> sent
2018-12-11T17:32:36 < Ecco> Another question: how do you determine the value of an external pull-up (or pull-down)?
2018-12-11T17:32:38 < Laurenceb> 3421342134213421342134213421342134213421\n
2018-12-11T17:32:47 < Ecco> I'm seeing 1M, 100K and 10K regularly used
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2018-12-11T17:44:40 < Laurenceb> yeah I can only get QDataStream to talk to QTextStream
2018-12-11T17:44:42 < Laurenceb> grrr
2018-12-11T17:46:15  * Laurenceb too confused to know what to do
2018-12-11T17:46:47 < Laurenceb> datastream -> datastream, textstream -> textstream and textstream->datastream are all broken
2018-12-11T17:46:59 < Laurenceb> datastream -> textstream pushes through data
2018-12-11T17:47:09 < Laurenceb> guess I could write a decorrupted to fix the data 
2018-12-11T17:48:45 < Laurenceb> ok
2018-12-11T17:48:53 < Laurenceb> but thats not talking to Qt
2018-12-11T17:49:01 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/VNtjgAMS
2018-12-11T17:49:10 < Laurenceb> looks like I can search for \u0005
2018-12-11T17:51:37 < Laurenceb> I'll write a wrapped to extract the hex
2018-12-11T17:51:40 < Laurenceb> *wrapper
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2018-12-11T17:57:39 < rajkosto> Ecco, 4.7k, 2.2k and 1k too
2018-12-11T17:58:05 < Ecco> Sure, but how do you pick the proper value?
2018-12-11T17:58:35 < rajkosto> the highest that you can get away with reliably
2018-12-11T17:59:43 < rajkosto> is it just to keep a line at known level before the mcu starts up ?
2018-12-11T18:00:02 < rajkosto> is it the only thing keeping the line high (open drain driver)
2018-12-11T18:01:26 < rajkosto> if its only for initial state before mcu bootup, 10k is typical
2018-12-11T18:01:42 < rajkosto> if its for i2c, you need some stronger current like 4.7k or 2.2k
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2018-12-11T18:04:25 < rajkosto> the 100nf caps dont really hurt anything though
2018-12-11T18:04:51 < rajkosto> while smaller ohm value pullup resistors will pull more idle current
2018-12-11T18:11:28 < bitmask> its fine to tie the grounds of two buck converters together, correct?
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2018-12-11T18:12:03 < rajkosto> dont you usually have one dc ground for everything ?
2018-12-11T18:12:27 < bitmask> probably, I havent learned this shit yet
2018-12-11T18:13:04 < bitmask> well not just input and output, but the inputs and outputs of 2 bucks at different voltages
2018-12-11T18:13:11 < rajkosto> draw a diagram
2018-12-11T18:13:57 < rajkosto> he only said grounds
2018-12-11T18:13:58 < rajkosto> not outputs
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2018-12-11T18:15:07 < bitmask> yea , one will be set to 5V and another 10V, the 10V is only for one thing but since its controlled with a mosfet with the gate being tied to a mcu powered by the 5V I would think I want all grounds together
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2018-12-11T18:15:45 < rajkosto> yes you usually only have one dc ground
2018-12-11T18:15:54 < bitmask> k thanks
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2018-12-11T18:16:22 < bitmask> I gotta start reading up on this stuff 
2018-12-11T18:18:42 < Thorn> spacewalk live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBQqk8cc7MM
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2018-12-11T18:21:10 < Ecco> I've read that the way to save the most power was to configure an STM32's pins as analog input
2018-12-11T18:21:13 < Ecco> is that correct?
2018-12-11T18:21:18 < jadew> can he see all the arduino blinkies from there?
2018-12-11T18:21:18 < Ecco> (I mean, when sleeping)
2018-12-11T18:21:43 < Ecco> ok
2018-12-11T18:22:15 < Ecco> Why would  pull-down consume more power, for example?
2018-12-11T18:22:51 < jadew> it shouldn't, a good practice is high impedance input + pull down
2018-12-11T18:22:59 < Ecco> ok
2018-12-11T18:23:14 < Ecco> I have a hard time understanding something
2018-12-11T18:23:24 < Ecco> I thought Hi-Z input meant that the pin was virtually floating
2018-12-11T18:23:29 < jadew> yes
2018-12-11T18:23:37 < jadew> meaning very little current is flowing in
2018-12-11T18:23:46 < Ecco> so wouldn't "+ pull-down" be counterintuive?
2018-12-11T18:23:47 < jadew> and you want that pulled down, so the logic states don't change
2018-12-11T18:24:14 < jadew> I don't know if analog without the pull down is a better option tho
2018-12-11T18:24:19 < jadew> might be different from chip to chip
2018-12-11T18:24:30 < Ecco> Yeah, that's probably where I read it
2018-12-11T18:24:33 < mawk> cubeMX says you need to configure as analog input to save power
2018-12-11T18:24:34 < jadew> my go-to solution is digital input + pull down
2018-12-11T18:24:40 < mawk> and some appnote too I guess
2018-12-11T18:24:46 < Ecco> How is "hi-z + pulldown" different from "output 0" ?
2018-12-11T18:24:52 < Ecco> I means it won't sink current easily?
2018-12-11T18:24:52 < mawk> but "analog input" is just a gpio state
2018-12-11T18:24:58 < mawk> you don't have to power up the ADC
2018-12-11T18:25:04 < Ecco> Output mode, 0 in output register
2018-12-11T18:25:08 < jadew> ah, in that case it might make sense
2018-12-11T18:25:28 < jadew> perhaps if you configure it as a digital IO, it connects some gates to the pin
2018-12-11T18:25:28 < Ecco> Yeah, ok, that's clear
2018-12-11T18:25:52 < jadew> afk
2018-12-11T18:25:53 < Ecco> So if I set output to zero, some current might flow in the STM32
2018-12-11T18:26:18 < Ecco> if it's "Hi-Z + pull-down", no current will flow in
2018-12-11T18:26:31 < Ecco> In both cases though, measuring the voltage w/o anything connected will yield OV
2018-12-11T18:26:34 < Ecco> is that correct?
2018-12-11T18:27:01 < Rickta59> have you tried different ways of doing this and measured it in your setup Ecco ?
2018-12-11T18:27:39 < Ecco> Rickta59: not at all
2018-12-11T18:27:57 < Rickta59> i guess i'm jaded, i just test everything to verify documents
2018-12-11T18:31:10 < englishman> how do you hiZ a stm32 gpio?
2018-12-11T18:32:21 < Thorn> set it to input
2018-12-11T18:37:30 < mawk> or open collector output
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2018-12-11T18:40:26 < englishman> exactly
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2018-12-11T18:44:03 < aandrew> hm I should get busy on this stm32 usb shits
2018-12-11T18:57:50 < Laurenceb> woah its working
2018-12-11T18:58:19 < Laurenceb> textstream -> textstream with stdin fnctl stuff run on stdin before I init the rx textstream
2018-12-11T18:58:25 < Laurenceb> and it can send hex in real time
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2018-12-11T18:59:45 < mawk> I'm afraid of looking at what you've done Laurenceb 
2018-12-11T18:59:53 < Laurenceb> heh
2018-12-11T18:59:55 < mawk> you've mixed O_NONBLOCK stuff with Qt text streams ?
2018-12-11T18:59:55 < Laurenceb> its working
2018-12-11T18:59:57 < mawk> lol
2018-12-11T18:59:58 < Laurenceb> yes
2018-12-11T19:00:08 < mawk> sounds like what guys says at my school
2018-12-11T19:00:13 < mawk> "it compiles, let's get out of here"
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2018-12-11T19:01:04 < Laurenceb> in my case I go to bubbles
2018-12-11T19:01:48 < Laurenceb> https://www.google.com/maps/@52.9161779,-1.4640835,3a,75y,277.84h,84.41t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sBkW_uJrzwrck9NRzy3r1SA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DBkW_uJrzwrck9NRzy3r1SA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D22.095133%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
2018-12-11T19:02:03 < mawk> lol
2018-12-11T19:02:09 < mawk> "spa"
2018-12-11T19:02:14 < Laurenceb> ikr
2018-12-11T19:03:14 < Laurenceb> >when you see a skanky grrrl and see her walk round the back
2018-12-11T19:04:51 < Laurenceb> https://www.google.com/maps/@52.9218954,-1.4782793,3a,75y,73.4h,93.06t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sYvx4g4Ikx0JdniKmF7KFiA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DYvx4g4Ikx0JdniKmF7KFiA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D346.07376%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
2018-12-11T19:04:55 < Laurenceb> we have several
2018-12-11T19:05:14 < Laurenceb>  "gentleman’s lounge"
2018-12-11T19:05:32 < Laurenceb> keek
2018-12-11T19:05:52 < Laurenceb> >get b& for smoking weed rather than fugging the skanky grrls
2018-12-11T19:06:43 < mawk> here it's for middle-eastern descendants to smoke shisha
2018-12-11T19:06:52 < mawk> you can smell it hundreds of meter apart
2018-12-11T19:06:54 < Laurenceb> uk is weird, brothels are technically illegal but radfems have convinced the government to leave them alone
2018-12-11T19:07:04 < mawk> yeah because women's right to prostitute
2018-12-11T19:07:16 < mawk> in France they penalized the clients AND the prostitute
2018-12-11T19:07:20 < mawk> so everyone is disgruntled
2018-12-11T19:07:29 < Laurenceb> there is some policy like they leave them alone if they are female run lol
2018-12-11T19:07:37 < BrainDamage> here just the clients are punished
2018-12-11T19:07:55 < Laurenceb> same here, they have to pay to fug drug addicts
2018-12-11T19:07:56 < BrainDamage> but they won't give an easy time to the prostitutes either
2018-12-11T19:08:48 < mawk> lol
2018-12-11T19:08:53 < mawk> looks like a guy with a wig
2018-12-11T19:08:56 < mawk> it's a failed trans
2018-12-11T19:09:12 < mawk> I didn't see my brother-in-law who became a sister-in-law face yet
2018-12-11T19:09:20 < Laurenceb> https://postimg.cc/crSG3Wrq
2018-12-11T19:09:22 < mawk> but even before his transition he had a feminine face
2018-12-11T19:09:25 < mawk> with green long hair
2018-12-11T19:09:58 < mawk> lol
2018-12-11T19:10:04 < mawk> also some guy on my french compsec channel became a girl recently
2018-12-11T19:10:06 < mawk> it's all around me
2018-12-11T19:10:08 < mawk> it's an epidemic
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2018-12-11T19:11:49 < mawk> lol
2018-12-11T19:12:26 < mawk> usually I don't deliver some code until I've worked on it for so long it can be framed and displayed in an art exhibition
2018-12-11T19:12:34 < mawk> so I'm usually 3 weeks later behind my deadlines
2018-12-11T19:13:25 < Laurenceb> https://postimg.cc/0MjDZhjP
2018-12-11T19:13:32 < Laurenceb> >inharmonious chatroom
2018-12-11T19:14:25 < mawk> "rewards given based on rank" wtf
2018-12-11T19:14:31 < mawk> that's what rewards are for
2018-12-11T19:14:39 < mawk> rewards based on nothing are just universal salary or whatever communist bullshit
2018-12-11T19:14:40 < rajkosto> no, everyone must get participation trophies
2018-12-11T19:14:45 < mawk> lol
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2018-12-11T19:17:25 < mawk> lol
2018-12-11T19:17:36 < mawk> "don't forget that slavery is freedom"
2018-12-11T19:17:48 < mawk> that's what sounds like brainwashing
2018-12-11T19:19:14 < Thorn> the boom is in motion
2018-12-11T19:19:32 < mawk> https://www.0xcc.sh/
2018-12-11T19:19:41 < mawk> a compsec conference for women only
2018-12-11T19:19:52 < mawk> well, for people identifying as women
2018-12-11T19:20:14 < mawk> in Paris we had a "summer camp against racism" for black people only, this summer
2018-12-11T19:20:33 < mawk> these people always surprize me
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2018-12-11T19:25:38 < jadew> can men go?
2018-12-11T19:26:09 < Laurenceb> >0xcc >not something with xx in it
2018-12-11T19:26:18 < mawk> no jadew 
2018-12-11T19:26:24 < mawk> not if you don't identify as a woman
2018-12-11T19:26:44 < jadew> yeah, I'm reading the FAQ
2018-12-11T19:26:54 < jadew> Q: Am I welcome?
2018-12-11T19:27:00 < jadew> A: No.
2018-12-11T19:27:09 < Laurenceb> kek
2018-12-11T19:27:59 < jadew> "We don't care about your age, background or anything else, that's non of our business and frankly no one should care. As long as you're keen to learn that's all we ask! :D"
2018-12-11T19:28:03 < jadew> but we do care about your gender
2018-12-11T19:28:25 < jadew> I wonder what would happen if there were infosec gatherings that were men only
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2018-12-11T19:30:59 < jadew> no more gentelmen's clubs
2018-12-11T19:32:41 < jadew> all men gatherings should be held at strip clubs
2018-12-11T19:33:01 < jadew> if there's anything women don't like, is other women
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2018-12-11T19:34:53 < jadew> I've never been to a strip club
2018-12-11T19:54:43 < jadew> think 1 mm is too much tolerance for the inner width of an extruded aluminium case?
2018-12-11T19:55:19 < jadew> 100 mm
2018-12-11T19:55:53 < jadew> inside space
2018-12-11T19:56:16 < jadew> have to go, wife's calling me to dinner
2018-12-11T19:56:17 < jadew> ttyl
2018-12-11T20:15:31 < Adluc> what via/drill size you guys use on signal lines? kicad
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2018-12-11T20:23:33 < Thorn> it has to do with manufacturer's tolerances, not kicad
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2018-12-11T20:41:07 < Laurenceb> >when u google at get ur own code
2018-12-11T20:41:09 < Laurenceb> reee
2018-12-11T20:41:44 < Laurenceb> this shit seems to be broken on newer qcustomplot https://github.com/Laurenceb/Display_gui/blob/master/graph.cpp#L280
2018-12-11T20:41:59 < Laurenceb> isnt scrolling properly, like there is some scaling bug
2018-12-11T20:42:00 < kakimir> weird stuff happens in my project
2018-12-11T20:42:24 < kakimir> anyone know effects of strong static magnets to electronics?
2018-12-11T20:42:36 < Laurenceb> next to nothing
2018-12-11T20:42:43 < kakimir> then it's not that
2018-12-11T20:44:05 < kakimir> are you saying you don't know or that there is no effects?
2018-12-11T20:44:45 < Laurenceb> well there is hall effect but its small
2018-12-11T20:45:03 < Laurenceb> ok this is weird, effect gets worse as I rescale the window so its larger
2018-12-11T20:45:41 < Laurenceb> some sort of co-ordiante issue somewhere...
2018-12-11T20:45:47 < Laurenceb> i canna spell
2018-12-11T20:46:41 < kakimir> maybe my connector forms a resonator
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2018-12-11T20:49:01 < Thorn> when I cross-probe in Altium Disaster it flashes the other document briefly and goes back to the original one even if I hold the mouse button
2018-12-11T20:49:17 < Thorn> am I doing something wrong or is it another bug
2018-12-11T20:54:17 < Laurenceb> hmm my qcustomplot is incompatible with my qt version
2018-12-11T20:54:20 < Laurenceb> that might do it
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2018-12-11T20:59:30 < BrainDamage> is this still the horse telemetry?
2018-12-11T21:02:14 < Thorn> what connector do I use for RTD
2018-12-11T21:02:32 < Thorn> I guess I need a huge screw terminal
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2018-12-11T21:24:22 < qyx> for rtd? why so?
2018-12-11T21:24:55 < Thorn> they have these fork terminals
2018-12-11T21:25:12 < qyx> for thermocouples you need special connectors OR do a cold junction compensation, but those are not RTDs
2018-12-11T21:25:16 < qyx> mhm
2018-12-11T21:25:33 < qyx> I am using molex microfit for Pt sensors
2018-12-11T21:26:04 < Thorn> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB14FqqNVXXXXXvXVXXq6xXFXXXo/2-meters-RTD-PT100-Cable-Stainless-Probe-100mm-3-Wires-50-C-to-400-C-Temperature.jpg_640x640.jpg
2018-12-11T21:26:27 < qyx> I also saw bare wire versions
2018-12-11T21:26:30 < Thorn> and they're pretty huge, they don't fit into standard 5mm screw terminals
2018-12-11T21:26:56 < Thorn> well it's easy to make one with wire cutters lol
2018-12-11T21:27:55 < qyx> I would use some spring terminals then
2018-12-11T21:28:04 < qyx> wago cage clamp or what
2018-12-11T21:28:25 < Laurenceb> While Europeans were pouring out sh*t into the street and dying of the black plague, Muslims in Africa invented algebra
2018-12-11T21:28:31 < Laurenceb> checkmate
2018-12-11T21:29:44 < qyx> Thorn: there were pcb screw terminals suitable for forks, I am trying to find them
2018-12-11T21:34:17 < qyx> https://www.dhresource.com/0x0s/f2-albu-g3-M01-95-D9-rBVaHFYRFFqAN1t2AADFVmcrcwk378.jpg/pcb-terminal-m4-pc-board-holder-screw-terminals.jpg
2018-12-11T21:34:20 < qyx> such things
2018-12-11T21:35:00 < kakimir> I want them too
2018-12-11T21:35:22 < qyx> or you can try this https://www.tme.eu/sk/details/dg35c-b-04p/svorkovnice-do-dps/degson-electronics/dg35c-b-04p-13-200ah/
2018-12-11T21:36:17 < Laurenceb> kek this Julian Von Abele guy
2018-12-11T21:36:26 < Laurenceb> epic rage comments generated
2018-12-11T21:36:36 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/qcitheory/comments/4grbig/im_the_creator_of_qci_theory_ama/  not sure if genius or troll physics
2018-12-11T21:36:46 < Laurenceb> either way he fails at explaining properly
2018-12-11T21:37:00 < Thorn> yea the last one is what I had in mind
2018-12-11T21:37:12 < Thorn> but 8.25mm o_O lol
2018-12-11T21:37:31 < Thorn> they're used on 20A PSUs
2018-12-11T21:38:07 < Thorn> though I guess I've no choice except cutting off those forks
2018-12-11T21:38:12 < Thorn> thanks
2018-12-11T21:38:19 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/qcitheory/comments/a54gcx/is_there_an_alternate_universe_in_which_julian/
2018-12-11T21:38:24 < Laurenceb> orbital sides
2018-12-11T21:38:46 < Thorn> approaching the hole https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBQqk8cc7MM
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2018-12-11T21:54:42 < Thorn> started cutting
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2018-12-11T21:58:37 < Steffanx> *stvn
2018-12-11T21:58:50 < qyx> not enough motoric skills
2018-12-11T22:02:28 < Thorn> 4 hours
2018-12-11T22:03:56 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/timjacobwise/status/1068046132964675584
2018-12-11T22:05:27 < Thorn> the interpreter's use of nasa jargon is awkward
2018-12-11T22:07:13 < Thorn> it sounds very different from the original, far too "technical" and formal
2018-12-11T22:09:51 < Thorn> she is also losing 1/3 to 1/2 of the conversation, translating pieces of it and then inventing transitions between them lol
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2018-12-11T22:11:07 < Thorn> 3 dudes including the ground dude
2018-12-11T22:11:13 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uvxNW_1544553726
2018-12-11T22:11:39 < Laurenceb> typical bongland scenes
2018-12-11T22:12:54 < qyx> is he sure with what he is doing?
2018-12-11T22:12:55 < Thorn> I half expect them opening the hole and starting the leak again
2018-12-11T22:14:04 < Thorn> fun fact: nasa insisted on extra meteorite protection for soyuz
2018-12-11T22:14:58 < qyx> was it aused by a meteorite?
2018-12-11T22:15:18 < Thorn> comrade Meteorite in the assembly hangar
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2018-12-11T22:17:24 < Laurenceb> I see multifoil
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2018-12-11T22:38:44 < bvernoux> does anyone has tried the STM32H7 ADC Oversampler feature ?
2018-12-11T22:38:55 < bvernoux> It is first time I see such amazing feature in an MCU
2018-12-11T22:40:28 < qyx> afaik L4 has it too
2018-12-11T22:40:39 < qyx> but I has not tried it yet
2018-12-11T22:41:16 < qyx> has/have
2018-12-11T22:43:31 < Ecco> hi again
2018-12-11T22:43:46 < Steffanx> Welcome again.
2018-12-11T22:43:53 < Ecco> Regarding configuring pins as Hi-Z to save power
2018-12-11T22:43:57 < Ecco> I found ST's doc :)
2018-12-11T22:44:01 < Ecco> 'To avoid extra I/O current, all pins should be configured as analog input (AIN); in this mode the Schmitt trigger input is disabled, providing zero consumption for each I/O pin.'
2018-12-11T22:44:39 < Ecco> I don't get it :(
2018-12-11T22:45:03 < Ecco> oh
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2018-12-11T22:45:07 < Ecco> why?
2018-12-11T22:45:22 < Ecco> that's for "inbetween" values?
2018-12-11T22:45:42 < Ecco> gotcha
2018-12-11T22:45:49 < Ecco> I understand what it does
2018-12-11T22:45:54 < Ecco> but then why?
2018-12-11T22:46:16 < Ecco> why is that hysteresis behavior a good thing?
2018-12-11T22:46:25 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ihFJvUdA2Arnu6vkBcU2tP_gQqBdpiF8/view?usp=sharing
2018-12-11T22:46:34 < Ecco> it looks like button debouncing  a little
2018-12-11T22:47:31 < Ecco> got it :)
2018-12-11T22:47:33 < Ecco> thanks
2018-12-11T22:48:53 < jadew> any ideas if it's possible to bend the legs of this LED in fusion?
2018-12-11T22:48:54 < jadew> http://188.25.248.79/stuff/led.png
2018-12-11T22:48:59 < Thorn> "Hold the cutter. Make sure it does not touch anyone." (c) nasa tv
2018-12-11T22:49:08 < jadew> do I have to draw them bent?
2018-12-11T22:49:12 < jadew> no, I drew it
2018-12-11T22:50:04 < jadew> all I could find by googling was drawing something taht's already bent
2018-12-11T22:50:24 < jadew> let's see
2018-12-11T22:51:19 < jadew> yeah, that's the method I've seen before
2018-12-11T22:51:46 < jadew> yeah
2018-12-11T22:52:02 < jadew> I don't think it can be done
2018-12-11T22:53:13 < Laurenceb> https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/11FF2/production/_104741737_mfsputinbig.jpg
2018-12-11T22:58:25 < englishman> Thorn: those look like regular screw terms? I have like the same thing in the kettle
2018-12-11T22:58:33 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=sfRSE_1544558514
2018-12-11T22:59:22 < emeb> jlcpcb order arrived - < 5day turnaround. Boards seem decent quality.
2018-12-11T22:59:44 < englishman> cool
2018-12-11T23:00:20 < emeb> They shipped DHL. Waived shipping fee on 1st order so it was free for me. Seems the charge would have been ~$12
2018-12-11T23:00:25 < jadew> Cracki, that's interesting, yeah, but it's also about building it like that
2018-12-11T23:00:30 < jadew> so I guess that's what I'm going to do
2018-12-11T23:00:37 < Laurenceb> https://imgoat.com/uploads/f8229696f7/173167.jpeg
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2018-12-11T23:11:01 < jadew> Cracki, sorry, yeah: https://www.tme.eu/en/Document/9718673f74bf7b0b483c077635e333c1/FYL-3014ED1A.pdf
2018-12-11T23:11:34 < jadew> the bent leads are the only difficult thing there
2018-12-11T23:11:37 < jadew> (for me)
2018-12-11T23:13:38 < englishman> wow working with nasa people sounds annoying as fuck
2018-12-11T23:13:48 < englishman> oh
2018-12-11T23:13:51 < englishman> no they are roscosmos people
2018-12-11T23:15:55 < jadew> Cracki, max and min
2018-12-11T23:16:10 < jadew> 3mm nominal
2018-12-11T23:16:32 < jadew> yep
2018-12-11T23:16:53 < jadew> so.. how do I create a sketch in plane that's parallel to another plane and passes through a point?
2018-12-11T23:17:27 < jadew> so I can draw the bent legs, on a plane that passes through the center of the leg
2018-12-11T23:18:19 < jadew> https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/fusion-360-ideastation/construction-plane-parallel-to-plane-through-point/idi-p/5427462
2018-12-11T23:20:00 < jadew> yeah... you can't link it
2018-12-11T23:20:29 < jadew> well, as long as you can create the plane through the center of the leg, that's fine
2018-12-11T23:20:53 < jadew> the obvious solution would be to have the legs as components
2018-12-11T23:20:58 < Thorn> it's the hole
2018-12-11T23:21:10 < jadew> but it's not a great solution
2018-12-11T23:21:32 < jadew> a couple of mm, should be parametric
2018-12-11T23:21:52 < jadew> I'm going to bend a couple of LEDs and see what the average result is
2018-12-11T23:22:19 < englishman> Thorn what do you mean it's a hole! i saw that before i didn't think it was the hole!
2018-12-11T23:22:25 < englishman> lol
2018-12-11T23:22:59 < Thorn> we've been here for 5 and a half hours, it's the hole, ok?
2018-12-11T23:23:22 < jadew> Cracki, under Modify
2018-12-11T23:23:27 < jadew> at the bottom of that menu
2018-12-11T23:26:54 < Thorn> a file
2018-12-11T23:26:59 < Thorn> it's called a file
2018-12-11T23:30:02 < englishman> aandrew: they took the job
2018-12-11T23:30:06 < englishman> wtf
2018-12-11T23:30:11 < englishman> does noone know how to use a hotair
2018-12-11T23:30:16 < aandrew> englishman: hm? what job, the reball?
2018-12-11T23:30:22 < aandrew> er no the diodes
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2018-12-11T23:30:38 < aandrew> you should have quoted more :-)
2018-12-11T23:30:44 < aandrew> that's how I always feel when someone accepts a quote 
2018-12-11T23:30:45 < englishman> for real right?!?!?!
2018-12-11T23:30:52 < aandrew> it's like FUCK I left money on the table
2018-12-11T23:31:11 < jadew> Cracki, I just made it right angle
2018-12-11T23:31:19 < jadew> and extruded from the plane of shorter leads
2018-12-11T23:31:20 < Laurenceb> arggg qt
2018-12-11T23:31:28 < englishman> i'm exchanging AOZ8211DI-03 for DESD3V3S1BL-7B
2018-12-11T23:31:28 < Steffanx> poor Laurenceb
2018-12-11T23:31:29 < jadew> englishman, where do you find these people?
2018-12-11T23:31:30 < englishman> wtf is the difference
2018-12-11T23:31:31 < Laurenceb> anyone here used qcustomplot?
2018-12-11T23:31:34 < englishman> jadew: idk
2018-12-11T23:31:42 < Laurenceb> I need to remove old data from the plot
2018-12-11T23:32:35 < Laurenceb> used to be like this  customPlot->graph(n)->removeDataBefore(key-holdtime);
2018-12-11T23:32:38 < jadew> Cracki: http://188.25.248.79/stuff/led2.png
2018-12-11T23:32:39 < Laurenceb> but then the api changed
2018-12-11T23:32:46 < jadew> Cracki, it does
2018-12-11T23:32:57 < jadew> but you have to take the units into account too
2018-12-11T23:33:02 < englishman> wtf, that AOZ8211DI-03 is a single TVS diode
2018-12-11T23:33:07 < englishman> i didnt even know you could buy those
2018-12-11T23:33:20 < jadew> for example x * y, where x is 1 mm and y is 1 mm, will result in 1 mm^2
2018-12-11T23:33:25 < jadew> and you can't use that as a dimension
2018-12-11T23:33:35 < jadew> you'll have to divide it by 1 mm in order to get back to mm
2018-12-11T23:33:42 < Laurenceb> is there still a way to search by date in google?
2018-12-11T23:33:46 < jadew> yep
2018-12-11T23:33:59 < jadew> you can divide the values first, by 1 unit to get unitless values
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2018-12-11T23:34:59 < jadew> now I wonder if I can't just buy right angle LEDs, like that one
2018-12-11T23:35:50 < jadew> they're not that common, that's for sure
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2018-12-11T23:38:42 < mawk> yes Laurenceb 
2018-12-11T23:38:48 < mawk> there is something like a settings menu for tha
2018-12-11T23:38:49 < mawk> t
2018-12-11T23:38:57 < mawk> also Laurenceb burn your code please
2018-12-11T23:39:04 < mawk> don't use O_NONBLOCK with Qt streams
2018-12-11T23:39:08 < jadew> Cracki, yeah
2018-12-11T23:39:17 < mawk> or you'll burn in the eternal flames of Hell
2018-12-11T23:39:53 < Thorn> do I need DW01 protection with MCP73871
2018-12-11T23:41:36 < aandrew> Thorn: I would be very surprised if the MCP73871 doesn't have undervoltage protection
2018-12-11T23:42:08 < Thorn> it has UVLO, I'm not completely sure about overcurrent/overvoltage protection though
2018-12-11T23:42:37 < aandrew> Integrated Reverse Discharge Protection but no specific lockotu that I can see
2018-12-11T23:42:53 < aandrew> althogh  0.1C Preconditioning for Deeply Depleted Cells is a nice feature
2018-12-11T23:43:16 < jadew> Cracki, the lens is 3mm
2018-12-11T23:43:31 < jadew> the bottom part is 3.85
2018-12-11T23:43:33 < aandrew> it's got current limit
2018-12-11T23:44:17 < jadew> you missed the base
2018-12-11T23:44:26 < jadew> the base of the LED is 3.85
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2018-12-11T23:45:06 < jadew> oh, I didn't see that
2018-12-11T23:45:17 < Laurenceb> arg wtf
2018-12-11T23:45:20 < jadew> I don't want that LED tho
2018-12-11T23:45:28 < Laurenceb> >spend ages installing latest Qcustomplot
2018-12-11T23:45:35 < Laurenceb> >same bug and it also broke the axes
2018-12-11T23:45:40 < jadew> I just used it to get dimmensions for a 3 mm LED
2018-12-11T23:46:01 < jadew> but yeah, that cut is weird
2018-12-11T23:46:13 < Laurenceb> mawk: this code worked with older Qt  https://github.com/Laurenceb/Display_gui/blob/master/graph.cpp#L280
2018-12-11T23:46:33 < Laurenceb> mawk: now the scroll doesnt work and it off by a factor related to window height
2018-12-11T23:46:40 < Laurenceb> struggling to get my head round it
2018-12-11T23:46:48 < Laurenceb> if all the data is zero it works correctly
2018-12-11T23:47:06 < Laurenceb> its like line 295 is wrong
2018-12-11T23:47:08 < mawk> what does this code do exactly ?
2018-12-11T23:47:23 < jadew> don't know, I used silver paint
2018-12-11T23:47:54 < englishman> aandrew: im already almost done
2018-12-11T23:48:04 < Laurenceb> mawk: makes dash patterns move with the data
2018-12-11T23:48:12 < aandrew> englishman: yeah I figured it wasn't a huge job, just a pain in the dick
2018-12-11T23:48:14 < jadew> they're probably copper alloy with tin coating
2018-12-11T23:48:40 < mawk> what are dash patterns Laurenceb ?
2018-12-11T23:48:46 < mawk> can you give an example
2018-12-11T23:48:53 < mawk> and I'll try to make a working readable code
2018-12-11T23:48:57 < mawk> and compare it to yours
2018-12-11T23:49:06 < Laurenceb> mawk: http://csharphelper.com/blog/2015/02/draw-dashed-lines-with-different-styles-in-c/
2018-12-11T23:49:07 < Thorn> why the enormous cap https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MCP73871-PowerBoost-USB-5V-DC-Solar-Lipoly-Lithium-Lon-Polymer-Charger-Board-3-7V-4-2V/32779475903.html
2018-12-11T23:49:11 < aandrew> you know watchign all this scroll by just makes me think of how fortunate I was to stay the fuck away from Qt
2018-12-11T23:50:05 < mawk> how do you want them to move Laurenceb ?
2018-12-11T23:50:21 < Laurenceb> actually something really weird is going off, as even a nonzero but constant y values screws it
2018-12-11T23:50:35 < mawk> valgrind that piece of code Laurenceb please
2018-12-11T23:50:39 < mawk> before anything
2018-12-11T23:50:47 < jadew> Thorn, you can always take it apart and use the much smaller capacitor inside
2018-12-11T23:50:52 < Laurenceb> mawk: its a scrolling realtime display, the dash has to scroll with the data
2018-12-11T23:50:55 < englishman> lol @ gobro
2018-12-11T23:50:56 < Thorn> ok
2018-12-11T23:51:10 < Laurenceb> gofail, the lunix camera
2018-12-11T23:51:13 < Laurenceb> gosegfault
2018-12-11T23:51:39 < mawk> valgrind will tell you if you use uninitialized data or stuff
2018-12-11T23:51:52 < mawk> which is the source of 99.999% of "weird bugs"
2018-12-11T23:51:58 < mawk> bugs like "I add a printf and it works now"
2018-12-11T23:52:07 < mawk> or "I swap two unrelated lines and it works"
2018-12-11T23:55:17 < Laurenceb> hmm it looks ok according to valgrind
2018-12-11T23:55:25 < mawk> no error ?
2018-12-11T23:55:28 < Laurenceb> nope
2018-12-11T23:55:33 < mawk> or uninitialized data use
2018-12-11T23:55:34 < mawk> strange
2018-12-11T23:55:44 < mawk> even I get a couple errors when I valgrind my code
2018-12-11T23:56:02 < Laurenceb> yeah I saw a couple of warnings about unrelated stuff 
2018-12-11T23:56:05 < mawk> unreclaimed memory, out of bounds access, etc
2018-12-11T23:56:06 < mawk> ah
2018-12-11T23:56:17 < Laurenceb> this is really weird
2018-12-11T23:56:23 < mawk> let me see if I understand your code
2018-12-11T23:56:35 < Laurenceb> it looks like mismatch is proportional to value*window height
2018-12-11T23:56:39 < mawk> you don't like spaces ?
2018-12-11T23:56:44 < Laurenceb> and is not a factor of delta y
2018-12-11T23:56:52 < mawk> `for (int n = 0; n < 5; n++)' is pretty
2018-12-11T23:56:59 < mawk> and `for (int n=0;n<5;n++)' is not
2018-12-11T23:57:12 < mawk> no it's worse, you wrote `for(...)'
2018-12-11T23:57:43 < englishman> why do dual TVS diodes have a polarity marking?
2018-12-11T23:57:55 < qyx> I was curious too
2018-12-11T23:58:02 < qyx> you mean the bipolar ones, yes?
2018-12-11T23:58:06 < englishman> yeah
2018-12-11T23:58:16 < englishman> these DESD3V3S1BL-7B have one
2018-12-11T23:58:19 < englishman> top AND bottom
2018-12-11T23:59:48 < englishman> also, what chip is this https://i.imgur.com/ogJtz8b.jpg?2
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2018-12-12T00:00:50 < jadew> Cracki, nice
2018-12-12T00:01:00 < jadew> yeah, it saved all your pojects
2018-12-12T00:01:13 < jadew> thanks for sharing!
2018-12-12T00:01:18 < jadew> :P
2018-12-12T00:01:34 < jadew> yeah, it's just the LED
2018-12-12T00:02:54 < zyp> englishman, probably just for consistency since other diodes have it
2018-12-12T00:03:39 < englishman> plausible
2018-12-12T00:03:48 < mawk> you're doing something strange at line 295 Laurenceb 
2018-12-12T00:04:02 < mawk> what's QCPData ?
2018-12-12T00:04:23 < Laurenceb> mawk: thats the working code (with Qt 4)
2018-12-12T00:04:42 < mawk> ah
2018-12-12T00:04:45 < jadew> there are non-polar capacitors that are also have a polarity mark, which in those cases indicate to which pin the shield is connected
2018-12-12T00:04:47 < Laurenceb> with qt5 it gives incorrect scrolling rate
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2018-12-12T00:04:57 < Laurenceb> mawk: same code, qt4 versus qt5
2018-12-12T00:04:59 < jadew> could be the same for those diodes
2018-12-12T00:05:30 < Laurenceb> something has screwed it, and I've tried qcustomplot 2 with qt5, same scrolling error
2018-12-12T00:05:38 < jadew> but I'm not sure it makes as much sense as it does for caps
2018-12-12T00:05:54 < Laurenceb> scroll rate is off by a factor of ~y in pixels /20 or so
2018-12-12T00:06:18 < jadew> the idea there was to keep the inside shielded
2018-12-12T00:06:26 < jadew> I suppose it can apply to TVS diodes too
2018-12-12T00:06:43 < jadew> so whatever EMI is generated is keept to a minimum
2018-12-12T00:07:11 < Laurenceb> mawk: but this happens with "DC" data, which should not matter as y-y_old =0
2018-12-12T00:07:36 < mawk> which line ?
2018-12-12T00:07:44 < Laurenceb> line 297
2018-12-12T00:07:53 < Laurenceb> hmm y_old is last thing on stack at that point
2018-12-12T00:08:00 < Laurenceb> maybe something is overwriting it
2018-12-12T00:08:17 < mawk> you shouldn't worry about stack in C++
2018-12-12T00:08:21 < mawk> stack is opaque
2018-12-12T00:08:30 < Laurenceb> k
2018-12-12T00:08:49 < mawk> can you explicit your maths ?
2018-12-12T00:08:54 < mawk> so that I check
2018-12-12T00:09:08 < Laurenceb> its just pythagoras to measure line length that is going to be deleted
2018-12-12T00:09:29 < mawk> that's the only math you're doing ?
2018-12-12T00:09:33 < Laurenceb> I've gtg to catch the shops, thanks for the help 
2018-12-12T00:09:34 < Laurenceb> yes
2018-12-12T00:09:45 < Laurenceb> bbl
2018-12-12T00:10:27 < mawk> you can use hypot(x-x_old, y-y_old); instead of your sqrt thing
2018-12-12T00:10:36 < mawk> it's the euclidean distance
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2018-12-12T00:27:37 < mra90> when we write interrupt or expection handler shall be create separate stack for them?
2018-12-12T00:29:09 < zyp> please rephrase your question, it's a bit unclear exactly what you're asking and the answer can be both yes and no
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2018-12-12T00:31:39 < antto> why do i suspect he is ASMing?
2018-12-12T00:31:44 < zyp> the hardware supports both running everything on one stack and putting interrupt/exception handlers on a separate stack
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2018-12-12T00:32:57 < mra90> zyp: so my question is exacly about this
2018-12-12T00:33:11 < mra90> why would I move handler to other stack
2018-12-12T00:33:15 < zyp> what is your application?
2018-12-12T00:33:23 < mra90> firmware
2018-12-12T00:33:56 < zyp> if you have a normal singlethreaded application, there is no major benefit using a separate stack for handlers
2018-12-12T00:34:25 < mra90> yes it is single thread, what is the adavanteg then?
2018-12-12T00:35:16 < zyp> in a multithreaded application however, each thread has their own stack, and if you don't have a separate handler stack as well, every thread stack must reserve space for handlers, since handlers can be triggered when any thread is active
2018-12-12T00:36:06 < zyp> in other words, in a multithreaded application, you save memory by having a separate handler stack, because each thread stack can be made smaller
2018-12-12T00:36:31 < mra90> hmm I don't see the saving but ok
2018-12-12T00:36:47 < zyp> in a singlethreaded application, the space you'd save on the single thread stack is exactly the amount you need for the handler stack, so the sum is the same
2018-12-12T00:37:00 < zyp> well, consider this
2018-12-12T00:37:33 < karlp> "firmware" nice answer br0
2018-12-12T00:37:36 < zyp> you have three threads, let's say they use 100, 200 and 300 bytes of stack each
2018-12-12T00:38:06 < mra90> zyp: ok
2018-12-12T00:38:07 < mra90> and
2018-12-12T00:38:08 < zyp> let's say that in addition, handlers needs 150 bytes of stack
2018-12-12T00:38:42 < zyp> if you have a separate handler stack, that means you need 100 + 200 + 300 + 150 = 750 bytes of stack in total
2018-12-12T00:39:08 < zyp> if not, you need (100 + 150) + (200 + 150) + (300 + 150) = 1050 bytes of stack in total
2018-12-12T00:39:42 < mra90> ahh ok this way it make sense
2018-12-12T00:39:59 < mra90> btw, what is the benefit of having separate stack for each thread?
2018-12-12T00:40:15 < zyp> that's how multithreading works
2018-12-12T00:41:47 < mra90> zyp: ok byt we can also easy keep everything on one single stack right?
2018-12-12T00:42:48 < mra90> Cracki: because? What would happen if we continue on single stack?
2018-12-12T00:42:55 < zyp> multithreading implies that you can pause one thread of execution in the middle, in which case it will have a lot of state
2018-12-12T00:43:02 < zyp> all that state is saved on its stack
2018-12-12T00:43:27 < zyp> since each thread is independent, it has its own state
2018-12-12T00:43:32 < zyp> i.e. its own stack
2018-12-12T00:44:14 < zyp> when you switch from one thread to another, you push all the registers onto the stack, switch to the next threads stack and pop the registers from there
2018-12-12T00:44:30 < zyp> when you switch back to the first stack, you get back the same register contents that got saved
2018-12-12T00:46:24 < mra90> hmm, but I could also do it this way - save all registers on a stack then on the same stack hanle the exception and once I am done rewind back to the place of backuped registers
2018-12-12T00:46:52 < zyp> yes, but that is not multithreading :)
2018-12-12T00:47:08 < mra90> zyp right please replace exception with another thread
2018-12-12T00:47:22 < zyp> well, there is one big difference
2018-12-12T00:47:45 < mra90> so I mean handle other thread on the same stack and once you are done go back to previous state
2018-12-12T00:47:56 < mra90> zyp: which one?
2018-12-12T00:48:26 < zyp> picture you have one thread executing, then it gets interrupted and you run an interrupt handler on the same stack
2018-12-12T00:49:13 < zyp> in this case, handler call stack gets stored above the thread state on the same stack
2018-12-12T00:49:28 < zyp> this is fine, this is what singlethreaded applications do
2018-12-12T00:49:56 < zyp> the difference is that the handler always returns before the thread resumes
2018-12-12T00:50:24 < zyp> when the handler returns, it has already removed its state again from the stack
2018-12-12T00:50:51 < zyp> but when you are switching between threads, you are doing that in the middle of execution
2018-12-12T00:52:15 < mra90> so you mean one thread can still go one while other is done
2018-12-12T00:52:28 < zyp> say you switched from thread A to thread B, and then thread B kept pushing state onto the same stack
2018-12-12T00:52:33 < mra90> and they are ment to work in parallel?
2018-12-12T00:52:38 < zyp> then thread B is paused and you switch back to thread A
2018-12-12T00:52:58 < zyp> if the state for thread B is still present, thread A would overwrite it
2018-12-12T00:53:02 < zyp> and yes
2018-12-12T00:53:14 < mra90> make a lot of sense
2018-12-12T00:53:15 < zyp> the whole point of multithreading is to have multiple threads that executes in parallel
2018-12-12T00:53:31 < mra90> ok clear now, thank you guys for a disscusion :)
2018-12-12T00:55:15 < zyp> Cracki, does it matter? :p
2018-12-12T00:55:57 < zyp> whois says so
2018-12-12T00:56:55 < mra90> including being on Intel campus
2018-12-12T00:57:35 < mra90> offtopic anyway
2018-12-12T00:58:05 < zyp> Cracki, do you always look up who owns the ip ranges of people here? :p
2018-12-12T00:58:47 < zyp> oh, haha
2018-12-12T00:59:12 < mra90> ;D
2018-12-12T01:00:16 < zyp> I think you need a better understanding of multithreading to pass a job interview that contains a discussion about handler and thread stacks :p
2018-12-12T01:06:48 < zyp> I think I read an article recently that said that somebody fucked up and then just covered up the hole
2018-12-12T01:07:03 < zyp> I got the impression they had figured out who and when also
2018-12-12T01:08:11 < zyp> maybe I misremember, that article seems to disagree
2018-12-12T01:11:01 < aandrew> yep space is weird because of all the assumptions we make on earth
2018-12-12T01:11:49 < kakimir> mailbag time
2018-12-12T01:12:06 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrhCGrZyIVM
2018-12-12T01:13:34 < englishman> $10m bail for huawei CFO
2018-12-12T01:13:37 < englishman> literally nothing
2018-12-12T01:14:11 < kakimir> just a nuisance
2018-12-12T01:14:22 < kakimir> nothing to be bothered about
2018-12-12T01:16:03 < kakimir> a bit overkill
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2018-12-12T01:22:19 < kakimir> maybe soon
2018-12-12T01:53:59 < kakimir> hmm copy of logs at works was not done.. how do I now analyze data at home 2AM
2018-12-12T01:55:29 < kakimir> kde file manager has some sort of pending operation thing you need to flush it or so
2018-12-12T01:56:46 < kakimir> I did
2018-12-12T01:56:52 < kakimir> it said 2 pending operations
2018-12-12T01:57:06 < kakimir> then I just pressed remove drive button
2018-12-12T01:57:13 < kakimir> assumed it would do them operations
2018-12-12T01:57:20 < kakimir> kde
2018-12-12T01:58:56 < kakimir> idk *shrug*
2018-12-12T02:01:37 < kakimir> it's the future
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2018-12-12T02:04:20 < kakimir> it has it's advantages
2018-12-12T02:05:01 < kakimir> but it should ask if apply pending operations before removing the drive
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2018-12-12T02:05:29 < Laurenceb124> the demiurge!!!
2018-12-12T02:06:38 < Laurenceb124> I think qcustomplot coordsToPixels is broken
2018-12-12T02:09:40 < Laurenceb124> lul this Julas Le Abele guy
2018-12-12T02:09:53 < Laurenceb124> ah yeah
2018-12-12T02:10:00 < Laurenceb124>  "The Omnisphere"
2018-12-12T02:10:12 < Laurenceb124> I think the radical centrists were right
2018-12-12T02:10:17 < Laurenceb124> he is just a right wing SJW
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2018-12-12T02:10:34 < Laurenceb124> >invents random terminology using existing words and redefining them
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2018-12-12T02:10:48 < Laurenceb124> >spergs the terminology over everything
2018-12-12T02:13:26 < Laurenceb124>  "The omnisphere is a complex valued plane"
2018-12-12T02:13:39 < Laurenceb124>  "The patriarchy invalidates my experiences"
2018-12-12T02:13:44 < Laurenceb124> sounds pretty similar
2018-12-12T02:14:54 < con3> why must life be like this
2018-12-12T02:15:04 < Laurenceb124> what if I told you.... THE OMNISPHERE IS THE DEMIURGE!!
2018-12-12T02:16:11 < con3> god damn Cracki XD
2018-12-12T02:18:38 < jadew> has it occured to anyone that we might be manipulated really hard
2018-12-12T02:19:12 < jadew> like.. the entire thing, on the entire political spectrum, could be a fabrication
2018-12-12T02:19:31 < jadew> so no matter which side you chose, you lose
2018-12-12T02:19:58 < Laurenceb124> the omnisphere did this to us all
2018-12-12T02:20:49 < Laurenceb124> kek the omnisphere subreddit comments
2018-12-12T02:20:56 < Laurenceb124> getting trolled hard
2018-12-12T02:21:03 < jadew> what's this omnisphere you talk about?
2018-12-12T02:21:27 < jadew> is it a movie?
2018-12-12T02:21:44 < Laurenceb124> The guy behind omnisphere is a PhD student who was caught on camera saying ebil racist shit
2018-12-12T02:22:06 < jadew> what does omnisphere mean?
2018-12-12T02:22:17 < Laurenceb124> some sort of new timecube
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2018-12-12T02:25:27 < Laurenceb124> https://www.researchgate.net/project/Action-Bends-the-Omniscape
2018-12-12T02:25:29 < Laurenceb124> my sides
2018-12-12T02:26:54  * Laurenceb124 hits Cracki over the head with a quartic scalar boson
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2018-12-12T02:30:53 < Laurenceb124> >Goal: To formulate a finite and consistent quantum gravity theory
2018-12-12T02:30:59 < Laurenceb124> doubt.jpg
2018-12-12T02:34:53 < Laurenceb124> I think the ideas might make some sense but he is so autiastic he is incapable of writing a coherent sentence
2018-12-12T02:35:38 < Laurenceb124> autism level: in high omnispheric orbit
2018-12-12T02:38:22 < Laurenceb124> >the space of vacuum-vacuum universe histories is treated, not just as an infinite-dimensional mathematical space, but as a real physical dynamic matrix that can respond to the concentration of action
2018-12-12T02:38:25 < Laurenceb124> orbital sides
2018-12-12T02:39:22 < Laurenceb124> it reads like physics equivalent of an SJW paper
2018-12-12T02:39:54 < Laurenceb124> ridiculous random OTT terminology
2018-12-12T02:40:05 < Laurenceb124> RIP
2018-12-12T02:40:12 < Laurenceb124> the omniscape predicted this
2018-12-12T02:41:15 < Laurenceb124> what if the patriarchy is a direct result of the omniscape O_o
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2018-12-12T02:42:24 < Laurenceb124> wew his book is now in amazon top 10 for physics
2018-12-12T02:42:36 < Laurenceb124> the absolute state of the rest of the top ten
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2018-12-12T03:53:42 < Laurenceb124> You are banned! ;_;
2018-12-12T03:53:54 < Laurenceb124> You have been banned from 8chan for the following reason:
2018-12-12T03:53:58 < Laurenceb124> sealposting
2018-12-12T03:54:11 < Laurenceb124> damn
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2018-12-12T06:10:53 < jadew> what letter is this? http://5.12.205.67/stuff/letter.png
2018-12-12T06:13:47 < sync> J
2018-12-12T06:13:57 < jadew> thanks, is it difficult to identify?
2018-12-12T06:14:10 < jadew> can you mistake it for an I?
2018-12-12T06:14:38 < jadew> (trying to figure out if it's a good font for my logo)
2018-12-12T06:18:15 < aandrew> no, I wouldn't mistake that for an I
2018-12-12T06:18:22 < aandrew> what's an I look like in that font though
2018-12-12T06:18:23 < MrMobius> are you asking because written letters vary slightly by country?
2018-12-12T06:18:37 < jadew> aandrew, it doesn't matter, I don't have an I in the name
2018-12-12T06:19:06 < jadew> MrMobius, yes, for me it's rather easy to confuse it with an I
2018-12-12T06:19:18 < jadew> because it looks almost exactly like we write the I by hand
2018-12-12T06:19:38 < jadew> but I kinda liked the font, so I figured I'd give it a chance
2018-12-12T06:20:43 < englishman> http://fabiensanglard.net/dreamcast_hacking/
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2018-12-12T06:32:51 < Thorn> fun fact: qfn20 is not much larger than a sot23-6
2018-12-12T06:46:14 < aandrew> Thorn: yes, yes it is
2018-12-12T06:46:20 < aandrew> er 20
2018-12-12T06:53:18 < englishman> 3x3 is about the same size
2018-12-12T06:53:40 < englishman> 20 pin stm8 around the same size as 6 pin attiny
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2018-12-12T07:02:05 < PeterM> and then into the tiny bga packages...
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2018-12-12T08:42:14 < ds2> I hate the new digikey website so very much
2018-12-12T08:49:08 < ds2> yes
2018-12-12T08:49:15 < ds2> it is so damn useless
2018-12-12T08:50:37 < ds2> yep
2018-12-12T08:50:47 < ds2> even the text searchs are messed up
2018-12-12T08:50:59 < ds2> so painful to search for a magnetometer that will work in 1.8V
2018-12-12T08:51:54 < ds2> paper catalogs
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2018-12-12T09:03:51 < ds2> is the farnell site as bad as the newark site?
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2018-12-12T09:28:56 < bitmask> PCBs ordered!
2018-12-12T09:32:15 < bitmask> already approved, at least they made it past the first step :)
2018-12-12T09:38:59 < bitmask> consider me encouraged
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2018-12-12T09:44:35 < bitmask> no, thank you
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2018-12-12T09:54:53 < Steffanx> Pull filter design crt?
2018-12-12T09:58:26 < dongs> hi dongs
2018-12-12T09:59:06 < dongs> karlp: haha what is that, it kills all other buttcoins but launches some other one?
2018-12-12T10:00:42 < dongs> crt: haha
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2018-12-12T10:03:50 < dongs> do tell
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2018-12-12T10:20:18 < dongs> self-hilfe
2018-12-12T10:25:46 < Ecco> bitmask: where at?
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2018-12-12T10:30:07 < rajkosto> is there an atomic operation to fetch existing timer count value and also reset it to 0 ?
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2018-12-12T10:45:15 < rajkosto> also how do i easily reference which clock is going to which timer internally ?
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2018-12-12T10:54:29 < dongs> look at clock tree
2018-12-12T10:54:36 < dongs> most timers are clocked at 2x APBx that they're at
2018-12-12T10:54:41 < dongs> or 1x apb
2018-12-12T10:55:02 < rajkosto> yes i want to know what APB they are at, is it which RCC_APB1PeriphClockCmd i use to enable them ?
2018-12-12T10:55:10 < rajkosto> and also where do i get the timer multiplier
2018-12-12T10:55:16 < rajkosto> i can get the APBx clock via RCC_GetClocksFreq
2018-12-12T10:55:17 < dongs> yes
2018-12-12T10:55:30 < dongs> multiplier is in datasheet/reference manual
2018-12-12T10:55:34 < dongs> its fixed (iirc?)
2018-12-12T10:55:34 < rajkosto> lol these shitty guides are bad then, they divide by APB2 clock when they use APB1 to enable clock
2018-12-12T10:55:45 < rajkosto> its not fixed in the cube
2018-12-12T10:55:59 < rajkosto> it automatically goes 2x if the APB clock is not max
2018-12-12T10:56:22 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-12_09-56-10_7cNe3HTKq.png vs https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-12_09-56-19_ngpsgpWbE.png
2018-12-12T11:00:33 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-12_10-00-24_0jr62oWk4.png x2 if not max
2018-12-12T11:04:05 < dongs> yeah, thats what i remember clocktree saying.
2018-12-12T11:04:27 < dongs> last pic looks like you finally found clocktree
2018-12-12T11:04:29 < dongs> congrats
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2018-12-12T11:31:47 < rajkosto> BIG SHARQ ?
2018-12-12T11:37:25 < karlp> dongs: yar, gotta make sure your virus is the only one!
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2018-12-12T12:10:23 < con3> god damn this deep sleep
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2018-12-12T12:23:09 < con3> Think I'll just let this processor sleep for eternity 
2018-12-12T12:49:40 < Steffanx> Hammer time
2018-12-12T12:52:30 < con3> \0/
2018-12-12T12:53:06 < Ecco> hmm
2018-12-12T12:53:11 < Ecco> Altium refuses to push obstacles
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2018-12-12T13:01:41 < Ecco> Actually, it's even worse than that: I can't even drag a track to move it
2018-12-12T13:02:07 < con3> Ecco: push obstacles?
2018-12-12T13:03:27 < Ecco> you know, when you try to drag a track it can move other tracks
2018-12-12T13:03:58 < Thorn> wrong shift-R mode?
2018-12-12T13:04:02 < con3> ah
2018-12-12T13:04:12 < Ecco> Thorn: nope… It's indeed "push'n'hug'
2018-12-12T13:04:34 < Ecco> If I set "ignore" the track does indeed move
2018-12-12T13:04:45 < Ecco> but in push or hug'n'push, my track just won't move :/
2018-12-12T13:04:51 < Ecco> I guess a DRC rule must be violated
2018-12-12T13:04:54 < Ecco> but I have no idea which
2018-12-12T13:05:10 < Thorn> it may be violating some rule
2018-12-12T13:05:24 < Thorn> especially if it's highlighted by DRC
2018-12-12T13:05:29 < Thorn> it won't move
2018-12-12T13:06:14 < Ecco> well it's not highlighted
2018-12-12T13:06:20 < Ecco> and I tried running a design rule check
2018-12-12T13:06:27 < Ecco> didn't get anything that seemed relevant
2018-12-12T13:12:49 < Thorn> Altium Disaster
2018-12-12T13:15:41 < Steffanx> So the G0 is real now :o
2018-12-12T13:16:22 < Steffanx> Its not even as Gay as the name suggests
2018-12-12T13:16:54 < Steffanx> 8 pin son package. Such fancy
2018-12-12T13:17:06 < Steffanx> kakimir can drop his attiny
2018-12-12T13:17:16 < Thorn> lpc844 is apparently also out
2018-12-12T13:17:28 < Thorn> 2x flash & ram, fast config memory
2018-12-12T13:22:44 < Steffanx> ;)
2018-12-12T13:23:22 < PaulFertser> Some guy at work says https://www.eremex.ru/products/delta-design/ is better than kicad and altium.
2018-12-12T13:24:22 < Thorn> is there a crack
2018-12-12T13:24:29 < Ecco> Sure, it Инновационный подход к разработке электроники
2018-12-12T13:25:25 < PaulFertser> Ecco: well, I guess topor auto-router can be called innovative enough.
2018-12-12T13:29:25 < kakimir> there is 0 reasons to drop attiny
2018-12-12T13:29:34 < kakimir> if it suits purpose
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2018-12-12T13:46:39 < karlp> is stm32g meant to replace f1 shits?
2018-12-12T13:47:05 < karlp> or is ist just f0 fixed to have m0+ now?
2018-12-12T13:47:39 < zyp> my impression is the latter
2018-12-12T13:48:18 < zyp> unless there'll be a g1 later
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2018-12-12T13:50:20 < karlp> seems very incremental.  must have been a lot of push for it.
2018-12-12T13:50:30 < karlp> 10 year commitments to all of f0 still
2018-12-12T13:50:58 < karlp> the smaller packages are nice for lots of projects I guess
2018-12-12T13:51:45 < karlp> anyone checked which periphs it is?
2018-12-12T13:52:03 < karlp> is it all l0 stuff?
2018-12-12T13:52:06 < karlp> that would be nice (for me)
2018-12-12T13:53:06 < karlp> what have they done to "reduce bom cost" as it claims so much?
2018-12-12T13:53:11 < zyp> I haven't checked, but I assume it would get newest versions of the periphs
2018-12-12T13:55:52 < zyp> "embeds an accurate internal clock allowing further cost saving" perhaps?
2018-12-12T14:00:55 < Haohmaru> PaulFertser is that guy of yours russian?
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2018-12-12T14:05:34 < karlp> oh, neat, only one vdd/vss pair in 64pin packages
2018-12-12T14:06:20 < Haohmaru> wowz, is that legal?
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2018-12-12T14:11:37 < PaulFertser> Haohmaru: yes
2018-12-12T14:12:03 < Haohmaru> that eggsplains
2018-12-12T14:12:08 < Haohmaru> gud for him then
2018-12-12T14:13:18 < PaulFertser> Haohmaru: many here agree that altium is rage-inducing, so no wonder people are looking at all available alternatives.
2018-12-12T14:13:45 < Haohmaru> *shrug*
2018-12-12T14:14:12 < Haohmaru> i don't have any eggsperience or observations about other EDAs
2018-12-12T14:14:19 < rajkosto> with a "soft pll" how do i figure out if ive lost lock 
2018-12-12T14:14:33 < Haohmaru> but i see lots of people jumping from eegul to kicad
2018-12-12T14:14:40 < karlp> better current consumption that l0 too, for the most part, as far as I cna see.
2018-12-12T14:14:45 < rajkosto> > using eagle in 201X
2018-12-12T14:14:56 < karlp> what is a "soft pll" ?
2018-12-12T14:15:11 < rajkosto> faking a pll with stm timers and triggers
2018-12-12T14:16:00 < rajkosto> so that if i miss a pulse from the external trigger its no big deal
2018-12-12T14:16:35 < karlp> so you figure out if you 've lost lock based on your own design then?
2018-12-12T14:17:33 < rajkosto> was asking for ideas
2018-12-12T14:18:39 < kakimir> rageinduction
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2018-12-12T14:23:43 < karlp> full usbc pd shits in this g0 too.
2018-12-12T14:28:54 < karlp> what do you do with two port usbc pd , with only one usb otg periph?
2018-12-12T14:30:03 < karlp> two versions of the packages in 32pin/28pin is going ot be helpful for people :)
2018-12-12T14:34:38 < karlp> nice reference manual, "The content of this section will be provided later."
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2018-12-12T14:36:07 < kakimir> is it common to have separate test firmware to test hw?
2018-12-12T14:36:50 < karlp> kakimir: not unusual at least.
2018-12-12T14:37:05 < kakimir> I plan to do this trick
2018-12-12T14:37:06 < karlp> it's arguably preferable ot use the same fw as you release, so you know it actualy works,
2018-12-12T14:37:20 < kakimir> to save 8cents per a unit
2018-12-12T14:37:23 < karlp> https://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers/stm32g0-series.html?querycriteria=productId=SS1960 shows usb2 crystalless host/device, the usual "new" usb periph,
2018-12-12T14:37:33 < karlp> but ref man doesn't have it, datasheets don't have it, 
2018-12-12T14:37:33 < jpa-> i usually have it as a command in main firmware so that i don't have to flash many times as that is slow
2018-12-12T14:37:49 < kakimir> my application program weight is slightly under 4kilos
2018-12-12T14:37:56 < kakimir> without diagnosis
2018-12-12T14:39:00 < kakimir> I'm writing progress steps for hw testing to paper
2018-12-12T14:39:12 < jpa-> why not use word?
2018-12-12T14:39:43 < kakimir> I'm meditating with this paper
2018-12-12T14:40:10 < kakimir> anyway 2 pages done and maybe 2 more to go for all the steps
2018-12-12T14:40:24 < kakimir> I don't think I would fit that to 200bytes
2018-12-12T14:43:03 < Ecco> Found it: differential routing constraint wasn't ok
2018-12-12T14:43:11 < jpa-> yeah, seems reasonable to put it in separate firmware
2018-12-12T14:43:30 < jpa-> or you can even load it to flash, or execute the steps directly from PC side script to be able to more easily show status & diagnostics
2018-12-12T14:43:38 < jpa-> err, *load to ram
2018-12-12T14:47:54 < kakimir> no need
2018-12-12T14:48:22 < kakimir> I will have serial output
2018-12-12T14:48:44 < kakimir> that will be interpretted by software
2018-12-12T14:49:28 < kakimir> I need 2 serial ports
2018-12-12T14:49:44 < kakimir> one from test jig to provide some voltage data
2018-12-12T14:50:03 < kakimir> another one from the device
2018-12-12T14:50:27 < jpa-> and your pc will renumber them randomly? ;)
2018-12-12T14:50:53 < kakimir> I think I will add signature to those streams
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2018-12-12T14:52:10 < karlp> where's bitmask? https://www.banggood.com/8-In-1-Electric-USB-Clothes-Heating-Pads-Adjustable-Temp-Thermal-Clothing-Jacket-p-1380543.html
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2018-12-12T15:06:47 < Steffanx> His silicon version also exists on the aliexpress
2018-12-12T15:06:51 < Steffanx> Silicone.
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2018-12-12T15:11:29 < Streaker> AliExpress has the best silicone.
2018-12-12T15:11:46 < Streaker> https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32828071350.html
2018-12-12T15:22:26 < Steffanx> Local law does not allow me to see that. Lol
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2018-12-12T15:38:24 < englishman> CCCP Delta Design
2018-12-12T15:50:25 < jpa-> heh, if you send data on CDC ACM on the first bulk read, linux will echo it back to the device:  https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14866899/linux-cdc-acm-device-unexpected-characters-sent-to-device
2018-12-12T15:51:57 < jpa-> this seems to happen no matter what you do on the host side, because kernel sends the first read request as soon as you open the fd, and you can't disable echo before opening it
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2018-12-12T16:12:49 < Thorn> is the AT command debacle finally fixed?
2018-12-12T16:14:01 < jpa-> Thorn: what's that? modemmanage?
2018-12-12T16:14:28 < Thorn> I think so
2018-12-12T16:14:35 < Thorn> where it would send AT commands to cnc machines / 3d printers
2018-12-12T16:15:10 < jpa-> yeah, not fixed, ubuntu still installs modemmanager by default
2018-12-12T16:15:20 < Thorn> so I ordered cable mount XH-2Y connectors from lcsc and they sent them without pins. how to order pins from lcsc
2018-12-12T16:15:27 < jpa-> you never know, it might be a modem! perhaps it's even connected to a phoneline!
2018-12-12T16:16:02 < Thorn> I still keep my 56k modem (but I don't have a landline anymore lol)
2018-12-12T16:22:32 < kakimir> lanline
2018-12-12T16:23:52 < kakimir> I wonder if it's better to do my own referenced measurement devices for test jig or use some bench multimeters
2018-12-12T16:24:06 < kakimir> those would just output voltage in serial
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2018-12-12T16:42:43 < karlp> pins and receptacles and shit is confuzing, I agree thorn.
2018-12-12T16:42:53 < karlp> especially with all the otpions you can get for each piece.
2018-12-12T16:44:15 < Thorn> I actually searched for compatible pins when I placed the order but failed to find any and ordered anyway hoping that they'd be included. didn't work out
2018-12-12T17:12:26 < Thorn> https://lcsc.com/products/Contacts_11075.html next step: find which ones are compatible
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2018-12-12T17:31:32 < Laurenceb> arg wtf
2018-12-12T17:31:47 < Laurenceb> qcustomplot cant redraw the same pattern without screwing up
2018-12-12T17:32:09 < Laurenceb> prob some sort of antialisaing setting O_o
2018-12-12T17:34:54 < englishman> what's the big difference with MO+?
2018-12-12T17:35:01 < englishman> movable vectab
2018-12-12T17:35:09 < englishman> no divide instructions till
2018-12-12T17:35:17 < englishman> memory protetion
2018-12-12T17:35:28 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_i1n74auxw
2018-12-12T17:35:32 < Laurenceb> a u t i s m
2018-12-12T17:35:58 < Laurenceb> omnisphere is my new favourite word
2018-12-12T17:38:20 < englishman> that single vdd/vss pair is nice
2018-12-12T17:39:07 < englishman> all their QFNs are EP tho
2018-12-12T17:39:16 < englishman> so annoying
2018-12-12T17:40:39 < englishman> oh, not 4x4 qfn28
2018-12-12T17:40:40 < englishman> cool
2018-12-12T17:40:53 < sync> oh god Laurenceb
2018-12-12T17:40:55 < sync> wtf
2018-12-12T17:41:25 < Laurenceb> lel the comments
2018-12-12T17:49:09 < Laurenceb> hmm
2018-12-12T17:49:21 < Laurenceb> >draw dotted line with QPen
2018-12-12T17:49:34 < Laurenceb> >redraw same dotted line with a few pixels offset
2018-12-12T17:49:54 < Laurenceb> >the dash pattern gets more and more different towards the right hand side
2018-12-12T17:50:01 < Laurenceb> wtf is going on
2018-12-12T17:52:16 < kakimir> I got an interesting idea for production testing
2018-12-12T17:53:15 < kakimir> reset pin as GPIO drives by toggling external mux
2018-12-12T17:53:42 < kakimir> that switches between different analog signals on the test jig + serial output
2018-12-12T17:54:31 < kakimir> pattern of 0 volts and supply voltage establishes the lock to right position of the mux
2018-12-12T17:55:27 < kakimir> *alignment
2018-12-12T17:55:43 < kakimir> alignment is checked again before writing anything to eeprom
2018-12-12T17:56:28 < kakimir> it might retry or fail the test however I choose
2018-12-12T17:56:34 < kakimir> if alignment is lost
2018-12-12T17:56:54 < kakimir> what do you think?
2018-12-12T17:57:28 < sync> no
2018-12-12T17:57:51 < kakimir> hard pass for that one
2018-12-12T17:57:53 < kakimir> ?
2018-12-12T17:58:09 < kakimir> explain
2018-12-12T17:59:00 < kakimir> personally I think having digital channel in there is not good
2018-12-12T17:59:11 < englishman> like a self-test?
2018-12-12T17:59:15 < kakimir> yes
2018-12-12T17:59:19 < englishman> why does it have to be the reset line
2018-12-12T17:59:27 < kakimir> I happen to have testpad for it
2018-12-12T18:00:39 < kakimir> because of UPDI
2018-12-12T18:00:53 < kakimir> also txd pin happens to have AIN in it
2018-12-12T18:01:02 < kakimir> and I have testpad for it
2018-12-12T18:01:42 < kakimir> first I planned digital conversion on computer and then stuffing that data to rxd pin
2018-12-12T18:01:59 < Laurenceb> oh wow I fixed qcustomplot
2018-12-12T18:02:07 < Laurenceb> it defaults to adaptive resampling
2018-12-12T18:02:17 < Laurenceb> but thats hidden to user
2018-12-12T18:02:34 < Laurenceb> wew now its killing my cpu
2018-12-12T18:02:55 < kakimir> it's just warming it up
2018-12-12T18:03:00 < kakimir> englishman: what do you think?
2018-12-12T18:03:27 < englishman> sounds hacky
2018-12-12T18:03:44 < englishman> also i dont follow
2018-12-12T18:03:47 < Laurenceb> hmm maybe it can access the resampled data internally to fix the plotting
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2018-12-12T18:04:01 < Laurenceb> this is barely realtime on my xeon megamachine
2018-12-12T18:04:04 < kakimir> englishman: what do you not understand?
2018-12-12T18:04:10 < kakimir> I need some external voltage levels
2018-12-12T18:04:20 < kakimir> also I need to device to report out some data
2018-12-12T18:04:38 < kakimir> keep it simple
2018-12-12T18:04:56 < kakimir> vommit it with serial one direction
2018-12-12T18:05:28 < englishman> idk i'm doing other stuff and not really putting energy into understanding
2018-12-12T18:05:39 < kakimir> thats ok
2018-12-12T18:05:41 < englishman> sounds like there is a lot going on
2018-12-12T18:05:42 < englishman> yeah
2018-12-12T18:06:23 < kakimir> there is minimal stuff going on
2018-12-12T18:07:41 < Steffanx> Did you get the new stm32g0 yet kakimir? Drop that attiny.
2018-12-12T18:07:44 < englishman> altium 19.0.9 out
2018-12-12T18:07:50 < Steffanx> Stm32 in 8 pin son package.
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2018-12-12T18:08:33 < Laurenceb> g0 wut
2018-12-12T18:08:42 < Laurenceb> woah
2018-12-12T18:08:44 < Steffanx> Yeah, G0.
2018-12-12T18:09:09 < Laurenceb> heh most not available yet
2018-12-12T18:09:35 < Steffanx> Very true
2018-12-12T18:10:06 < kakimir> Steffanx: I need more like 14pins
2018-12-12T18:10:16 < Laurenceb> 2.5Msps 12bit adc O_o
2018-12-12T18:10:27 < kakimir> is it 5V?
2018-12-12T18:10:36 < kakimir> if it is I'm interested
2018-12-12T18:10:37 < Laurenceb> wtf why would u want 5vb
2018-12-12T18:10:42 < kakimir> because of stuff
2018-12-12T18:10:44 < Laurenceb> it does do 1.8v :P
2018-12-12T18:10:57 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/RJxa66A
2018-12-12T18:10:59 < bitmask> ordered
2018-12-12T18:11:08 < englishman> build count difference between 0.7 and 0.8 = 7
2018-12-12T18:11:15 < englishman> build count difference between 0.8 and 0.9 = 86
2018-12-12T18:14:00 < bitmask> I hope whoever I stole the steam icon from doesn't mind :)
2018-12-12T18:14:48 < Laurenceb> looks like I need to use this?  https://www.qcustomplot.com/documentation/classQCPAbstractPlottable1D.html#a14cf167457cda163575e6eec2a0b178d
2018-12-12T18:28:24 < Ecco> Is there a way in Altium to see the "path" betweent o pads
2018-12-12T18:28:37 < Ecco> namely, I'd like to view the current path through a ground plane
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2018-12-12T18:39:15 < karlp> bitmask: did you see all the banggood/ali usb powered clothes heating pads we found today?
2018-12-12T18:39:27 < bitmask> no?
2018-12-12T18:39:47 < bitmask> usb powered? that sounds useless
2018-12-12T18:39:57 < karlp> why? jsut use a power bank
2018-12-12T18:40:15 < bitmask> you have a link?
2018-12-12T18:40:48 < bitmask> 5V just seems really low for heating stuff
2018-12-12T18:40:57 < karlp> 12:52 <karlp> where's bitmask? https://www.banggood.com/8-In-1-Electric-USB-Clothes-Heating-Pads-Adjustable-Temp-Thermal-Clothing-Jacket-p-1380543.html
2018-12-12T18:41:02 < bitmask> you get maybe 10W?
2018-12-12T18:41:02 < karlp> nothing says it has to stay at 5v.
2018-12-12T18:41:19 < karlp> how many W are you doing in your heater?
2018-12-12T18:41:22 < bitmask> oh I guess thats true
2018-12-12T18:41:37 < karlp> they have a few other models available in related, different numbers of pads and sizes and shit
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2018-12-12T18:42:26 < bitmask> each panel is about 18-22W
2018-12-12T18:42:51 < bitmask> but I'll be cycling through so that it doesnt draw too much power at once
2018-12-12T18:44:19 < karlp> huh, aws stockholm is cheaper than aws ireland. (for ec2 t3.micro at least)
2018-12-12T18:44:24 < bitmask> that looks neat but I don't think its powerful enough
2018-12-12T18:44:58 < karlp> cheaper than your pcbs by themselves ;)
2018-12-12T18:45:35 < bitmask> yea, I didn't do this to save money necessarily though.  I just like having a project to work on
2018-12-12T18:47:08 < bitmask> and mine is multifunction :) has a usb port for charging your phone and leds to use as a flashlight to see in the dark heh
2018-12-12T18:47:22 < bitmask> and controlled with buttons/oled display
2018-12-12T18:48:40 < karlp> oh totally, I get you're getting a lot more out of it than a heated jacket 
2018-12-12T18:48:56 < Ecco> I'm often seeing an external pull-up (or pull-down) on a GPIO
2018-12-12T18:49:16 < Ecco> example: external flash chip hooked to STM32, ref design by ST has a pull-up on CSX
2018-12-12T18:49:30 < Ecco> Question: why bother with an extra component?
2018-12-12T18:49:40 < karlp> so things behave before the stm32 is powered up/operational
2018-12-12T18:50:06 < karlp> or keep behaving when the host is misbehaving, etc.
2018-12-12T18:50:17 < bitmask> even though those pads use wires I bet they are more comfortable than mine.  I think I went a bit overboard with the silicone
2018-12-12T18:52:49 < Ecco> ok, so it's really a safeguard
2018-12-12T18:53:10 < Ecco> On the external flash for example, I hardly see when it's actually useful
2018-12-12T18:53:36 < Ecco> Would you have an example?
2018-12-12T18:53:54 < karlp> dude.
2018-12-12T18:53:59 < karlp> what were you asking about yesterday?!
2018-12-12T18:54:11 < karlp> what does the flash do when cs is de-asserted?
2018-12-12T18:54:57 < Ecco> :-)
2018-12-12T18:55:00 < Ecco> It draws some current
2018-12-12T18:55:16 < Ecco> well, sure, but so what? I mean, that's in the case where you have fucked up your firmware, right?
2018-12-12T18:55:31 < Ecco> It doesn't seem to be so bad
2018-12-12T18:55:46 < bitmask> do most pcb houses have a status page with each step? jlcpcb's is pretty neat: https://i.imgur.com/EyiKK6U.png
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2018-12-12T19:31:47 < antto> allpcb has some status info
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2018-12-12T19:37:54 < karlp> elecrow has lots of it, sends pics of the pcbs as they get packaged up
2018-12-12T20:00:08 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vkbDNGCjQk
2018-12-12T20:00:55 < Laurenceb> Trump voters spotted
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2018-12-12T20:08:22 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia0GQ7SSUk8 wtf am i watching
2018-12-12T20:16:35 < Laurenceb> keek https://gab.ai/PastorLindstedt
2018-12-12T20:16:38 < Laurenceb> surely a troll
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2018-12-12T20:26:29 < kakimir> see that background image
2018-12-12T20:26:34 < kakimir> savage.
2018-12-12T20:27:33 < kakimir> that granulation
2018-12-12T20:27:38 < kakimir> sophisticated.
2018-12-12T20:28:23 < fenugrec> ok, who's the animal that ordered the last remaining stock of almost 2000x GP19NC60HD at mouser. Lead time is 26 weeks.
2018-12-12T20:28:55 < fenugrec> who does that, order every last one
2018-12-12T20:28:59 < kakimir> hmm
2018-12-12T20:29:03 < kakimir> what are you building?
2018-12-12T20:29:12 < fenugrec> fixing a VFD
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2018-12-12T20:31:44 < fenugrec> plccenter : good deal, 1.65ea + 151$ shipping
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2018-12-12T20:33:22 < englishman> lol
2018-12-12T20:33:27 < englishman> octopart still shows 2k stock
2018-12-12T20:33:40 < englishman> someone really needed some igbts
2018-12-12T20:33:57 < kakimir> fenugrec: how small?
2018-12-12T20:34:35 < englishman> fenugrec: https://plccenterripoff.wordpress.com/
2018-12-12T20:35:34 < fenugrec> englishman, yea, I could get them straight from ST also, but 37$ shipping kills it. I'll just try the -KD suffix and hope they're not too different.
2018-12-12T20:36:27 < fenugrec> kakimir, what do you mean 'small', the VFD ? 750W
2018-12-12T20:36:47 < kakimir> what do you use it for?
2018-12-12T20:38:01 < Laurenceb> https://postimg.cc/jWGm7VdW
2018-12-12T20:38:45 < Laurenceb> tfw
2018-12-12T20:39:15 < kakimir> they are voting mayhem out Laurenceb
2018-12-12T20:39:21 < Laurenceb> https://postimg.cc/N9xhqJB5
2018-12-12T20:39:25 < kakimir> what does it mean for britain?
2018-12-12T20:39:33 < Laurenceb> the end, its over
2018-12-12T20:39:42 < kakimir> when does great brittain dissolve?
2018-12-12T20:39:54 < Laurenceb> Alba-chan is our new PM
2018-12-12T20:40:11 < Laurenceb> https://postimg.cc/bGQWkCG3
2018-12-12T20:40:57 < fenugrec> kakimir, one of these https://data-cdn.kjauktion.dk/images/auctions/517/large_0325.jpg?v=5
2018-12-12T20:41:16 < kakimir> cutter?
2018-12-12T20:41:33 < kakimir> Laurenceb: yes!
2018-12-12T20:41:33 < fenugrec> Cracki, sure, it's close enough. Rise/fall times are in the same ballpark. I'll just replace the pair in the failed phase and hope for the best
2018-12-12T20:42:44 < kakimir> I wonder if mlcc and passives shortage has to do something with gambling
2018-12-12T20:44:50 < fenugrec> wonder if mouser will notice... we'll see in 26 weeks !
2018-12-12T20:45:59 < kakimir> my gurus company bought some special pro ADC chips so that manuf noticed and asked them what you doin
2018-12-12T20:46:22 < kakimir> thing is those chips were just for protos
2018-12-12T20:47:30 < kakimir> was it that there was like 52 really nice ADC chips in one board
2018-12-12T20:47:44 < kakimir> stuffing data to some hardcore fpga
2018-12-12T20:50:12 < kakimir> it was some really nice scientific thing where they capacitivelly measured stuff
2018-12-12T20:51:58 < kakimir> yes something where they cannot really know what stuff they are measuring is but some algorithms can form some sort of image what it could be
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2018-12-12T20:57:10 < kakimir> I think they did only hw and company buying the hw made that fancy algorithm stuff
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2018-12-12T21:06:59 < Laurenceb> tiem to write my own adaptive plotter
2018-12-12T21:07:40 < kakimir> Laurenceb: ?
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2018-12-12T22:00:11 < kakimir> crt you should know mate
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2018-12-12T22:00:29 < Steffanx> he refuses to know.
2018-12-12T22:00:39 < kakimir> common problem
2018-12-12T22:01:18 < Steffanx> I always imagine your voice to be like that.. maiite
2018-12-12T22:01:45 < kakimir> I don't hear any annoyings in his voice
2018-12-12T22:02:09 < Steffanx> high pitched.
2018-12-12T22:03:19 < aandrew> https://www.fastcompany.com/90277202/japan-is-giving-away-houses-for-free
2018-12-12T22:03:25 < aandrew> time for dongs to become a real estate tycoon
2018-12-12T22:04:57 < jadew> link doesn't work
2018-12-12T22:05:02 < Steffanx> yes it does
2018-12-12T22:05:12 < jadew> weird, refreshed and it worked
2018-12-12T22:06:01 < jadew> those houses don't look that great
2018-12-12T22:06:09 < jadew> thanks Cracki
2018-12-12T22:07:33 < jadew> knoichiwa
2018-12-12T22:07:44 < jadew> *konichiwa?
2018-12-12T22:10:00 < kakimir> become dongs
2018-12-12T22:10:03 < kakimir> move to japan
2018-12-12T22:10:15 < kakimir> have abandoned house and build lab in it
2018-12-12T22:10:37 < kakimir> :o
2018-12-12T22:12:02 < Ik90> Hi please help.., Samsung SD card is showing write protected while doing format
2018-12-12T22:12:48 < Ik90> Yes did no luck.. Any tool
2018-12-12T22:13:03 < Steffanx> do you own a macboook?
2018-12-12T22:13:18 < Ik90> Windows 10
2018-12-12T22:14:49 < Ik90> When I attempt to delete folders it reappears when done refresh
2018-12-12T22:15:56 < kakimir> Cracki: problem with copying them logs was not that it wasn't copyed to usb stick
2018-12-12T22:16:17 < kakimir> problem was I had session without saving log and copied old file
2018-12-12T22:16:54 < kakimir> it appeared like it didn't copy as data was from previous session
2018-12-12T22:17:03 < Laurenceb>  i'm an Asian guy, what pisses us most about these white dudes is not that they score with asian girls, its how they assume their 'westerness' is somehow something that makes them better than the locals and mistake peoples hospitality as yielding to their advances. 
2018-12-12T22:17:18 < Laurenceb> they are the niggers of Japan
2018-12-12T22:17:29 < Laurenceb> repost from /r/hapas
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2018-12-12T22:17:45 < kakimir> kindof
2018-12-12T22:18:44 < bitmask> alright, battery packs done, pcbs ordered, 3 heating panels molded, case for one of the pcbs printing now.  just gotta design/print the case for the second pcb, cut some wires to connect everything, and write the code!
2018-12-12T22:18:56 < bitmask> and assemble the pcbs when they get here of course
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2018-12-12T22:20:48 < bitmask> I'm gonna be toasty in no time :)
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2018-12-12T22:24:55 < mitrax> is there a anything else than -ffast-math to enable hardware floating point support in gcc? i'm compiling for an F4 that has an fpu but i still see references to the soft floating point routine in the output map and code
2018-12-12T22:26:39 < mitrax> -mfpu=fpv4-sp-d16 ?
2018-12-12T22:26:50 < PaulFertser> mitrax: -print-multi-lib and you'll see the right set of options.
2018-12-12T22:27:03 < jadew> what's the least thick wall you can print with a 3D printer? same as the nozzle diameter?
2018-12-12T22:27:07 < mitrax> thanks
2018-12-12T22:27:21 < PaulFertser> mitrax: softfp means using fp for calculations but not for passing arguments to/from functions. hardfp uses fpu for both.
2018-12-12T22:28:22 < PaulFertser> mitrax: also do not forget to pass same flags during compilation and linking.
2018-12-12T22:28:32 < mitrax> i see
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2018-12-12T22:29:04 < PaulFertser> I suggest to use the set from print-multi-lib to ensure the right convention would be chosen by your specific compiler version.
2018-12-12T22:29:12 < jadew> there are not tricks to print thinner walls?
2018-12-12T22:29:26 < jadew> right...
2018-12-12T22:29:33 < bitmask> jadew: for best results yes, I believe the slicer can print thin walls (its an option) by extruding less plastic as it moves but I think thats mainly for filling in gaps of walls that arent multiples of the line width
2018-12-12T22:29:58 < jadew> that makes sense
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2018-12-12T22:35:32 < mitrax> PaulFertser / Cracki: finally it uses hardfp, thanks a lot
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2018-12-12T23:20:00 < Thorn> lol I copied the url of the order detail page @ lcsc and pasted it in an incognito window. guess what happened
2018-12-12T23:20:38 < Thorn> order details with name and address
2018-12-12T23:20:51 < Thorn> without logging in
2018-12-12T23:22:04 < Thorn> and order # is on every component bag
2018-12-12T23:24:37 < Thorn> how soon until websites will have to be certified like electronic products
2018-12-12T23:26:51 < Steffanx> I see a huge new money wasting organisation
2018-12-12T23:27:16 < Laurenceb> wew qcustomplot works
2018-12-12T23:27:25 < Steffanx> for now.
2018-12-12T23:27:29 < Laurenceb> its scrollin muh data with no glitches
2018-12-12T23:28:15 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/TQFb10bP
2018-12-12T23:29:00 < rajkosto> if you just connect a lithium cell to the backup battery pins
2018-12-12T23:29:03 < rajkosto> will the stm32 charge it ?
2018-12-12T23:29:35 < Laurenceb> adaptive resampler off and antialiasing on fixed it
2018-12-12T23:29:46 < Laurenceb> then I wrote my own resampler to speed it up
2018-12-12T23:32:07 < aandrew> that sounded lke a real fucking pain in the ass
2018-12-12T23:32:13 < aandrew> got a little vid to show us what it looks like now?
2018-12-12T23:33:22 < Steffanx> yay all the statics inside the function.
2018-12-12T23:33:33 < Steffanx> *method
2018-12-12T23:36:16 < Thorn> over $150 :/ https://i.imgur.com/jvxRfmZ.jpg
2018-12-12T23:36:50 < Steffanx> hhm?
2018-12-12T23:37:52 < Thorn> I paid over $150 for the components in the picture
2018-12-12T23:38:03 < Steffanx> I think you secretly are into anime very much crt
2018-12-12T23:38:32 < Steffanx> What kind of special stuff is it Thorn
2018-12-12T23:40:48 < Thorn> why is it upside down, this is how it's lying on my desk
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2018-12-12T23:42:09 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: screenshot?
2018-12-12T23:43:11 < Thorn> there are also 24-bit adcs there
2018-12-12T23:43:27 < Thorn> and SHT31 sensors
2018-12-12T23:43:32 < Thorn> 2 kHz
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2018-12-12T23:46:09 < Thorn> this is a real adc, not an audio adc
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2018-12-12T23:48:28 < Thorn> I bought some WM8731 there last time
2018-12-12T23:48:32 < Thorn> no idea why :/
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2018-12-13T00:07:45 < englishman> For a limited time only, enter code DEC120 at checkout with a qualifying order and save $120. Shop arrow.com for the lowest prices and free 1-day shipping on every order.
2018-12-13T00:08:43 < Thorn> dec 120, 2018
2018-12-13T00:09:25 < englishman> ordering SCAMTEC cables from ARROW
2018-12-13T00:09:27 < englishman> how fucked am i
2018-12-13T00:09:55 < Thorn> 5 giant dildos out of 5
2018-12-13T00:12:02 < englishman> wtf arrow has nothing in stock
2018-12-13T00:13:41 < PeterM> englishman dongies cableman cant hook you up? or they only do normie cables
2018-12-13T00:15:22 < englishman> moq too high
2018-12-13T00:15:41 < PeterM> ripperino
2018-12-13T00:16:04 < PeterM> buy dongie cables, sell cables back to scamtec
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2018-12-13T00:36:50 < englishman> wow stm32g0 in stock at digikey already
2018-12-13T00:37:18 < Thorn> lpc84x too
2018-12-13T00:37:47 < englishman> neat
2018-12-13T00:42:30 < englishman> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Cyrix_Cx486SLCe-V25MP_DF7339E_top.jpg
2018-12-13T00:42:37 < englishman> Bumpered QFP (BQFP) package
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2018-12-13T01:06:59 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1LvleZcJm0 how to do colored lcd display out of monochromatic lcd
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2018-12-13T01:19:13 < kakimir> nice hack
2018-12-13T01:19:21 < kakimir> cheapcheap
2018-12-13T01:19:36 < kakimir> get them colors and crisp segments
2018-12-13T01:19:40 < kakimir> I like segments
2018-12-13T01:19:43 < kakimir> so crisp
2018-12-13T01:20:02 < kakimir> so purpose build
2018-12-13T01:22:01 < jadew> Thorn, be careful what data you access
2018-12-13T01:22:26 < jadew> you're not allowed to access it if it's only exposed due to a bug
2018-12-13T01:23:26 < jadew> most countries have pretty strict rules regarding website/server security
2018-12-13T01:23:50 < jadew> (not only the EU)
2018-12-13T01:24:22 < jadew> for example, when a breach like the one you just uncovered (someone is already mining that data - you can be sure of it)
2018-12-13T01:24:55 < jadew> would require documentation, reporting to the governments of the countries your users are from (when that country has legislation for it)
2018-12-13T01:25:01 < jadew> and notifying everyone of the breach
2018-12-13T01:25:32 < jadew> that's the case for the EU and CA had this written in law just 2 months ago
2018-12-13T01:25:48 < jadew> not sure how it's done in the USA tho
2018-12-13T01:26:19 < kakimir> in what kind of honey pot Thorn has his hand stuck into?
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2018-12-13T01:27:21 < jadew> anyway, this is further proof that it's more proffitable to exist as a company outside of the "western" world
2018-12-13T01:27:37 < jadew> and just do business in the west
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2018-12-13T01:31:09 < mawk> you can apply for a bug bounty Thorn maybe
2018-12-13T01:31:20 < mawk> siphon some data to show in the report
2018-12-13T01:32:40 < jadew> like they don't already know
2018-12-13T01:32:43 < jadew> they just don't care
2018-12-13T01:32:51 < mawk> then expose them
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2018-12-13T03:07:05 < Laurenceb124> little does Julian Von Abele know that the flat omnisphere conspiracy theory has now been confirmed by black muslim feminist scientists in africa
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2018-12-13T03:15:25 < Laurenceb124> muh scrolling realtime display
2018-12-13T03:15:41 < Laurenceb124> surely this will bring about world peace
2018-12-13T03:16:06 < jadew> man... working with off the shelf enclosures is a real PITA
2018-12-13T03:17:04 < jadew> just when I thought I
2018-12-13T03:17:15 < jadew> just when I thought I'm done, I realized it wouldn't work
2018-12-13T03:25:42 < bitmask> grr why can't I use the analog input on the esp8266
2018-12-13T03:29:54 < Laurenceb124> woah man http://www.metamute.org/editorial/articles/no-joke-untangling-dna-code-alt-right-comedy
2018-12-13T03:30:09 < Laurenceb124> 3. (Example A) is extra lulzy
2018-12-13T03:43:45 < jadew> I think I found some high quality connectors amongst the ones I bought from china
2018-12-13T03:43:50 < jadew> but I don't know which batch it was...
2018-12-13T03:44:03 < jadew> (SMA connectors)
2018-12-13T03:44:20 < bitmask> gay, spent hours debugging this only to find out I was reading the analog input too fast... 
2018-12-13T03:51:09 < bitmask> no idea
2018-12-13T03:51:29 < bitmask> but it was the first google result for problems with analoginput on the esp8266
2018-12-13T03:52:05 < bitmask> at least it works now, I can ship off this stupid clock
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2018-12-13T04:21:34 < Laurenceb124> Far from desperate, the beginning of WP expresses an assurance grounded in a technologised whiteness represented by an invisible human labour at work in the unpopulated receding images of the gym
2018-12-13T04:21:36 < Laurenceb124> oh my god
2018-12-13T04:23:11 < Laurenceb124> kek the comments >This is Alex Jones level digging
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2018-12-13T06:55:56 < bitmask> pcbs shipped
2018-12-13T06:56:58 < bitmask> 20 hours after submission
2018-12-13T06:57:02 < bitmask> impressive
2018-12-13T07:01:58 < Sadale> wow
2018-12-13T07:02:03 < Sadale> shipped or delivered?
2018-12-13T07:02:18 < Sadale> Eitherway it's still impressive.
2018-12-13T07:02:26 < Sadale> Which pcb fab?
2018-12-13T07:06:27 < bitmask> shipped, I dont think it can go from china to the US that fast :)
2018-12-13T07:06:36 < bitmask> jlcpcb, two boards too, 10 of each
2018-12-13T07:06:49 < bitmask> I guess thats not that big a deal though since they do a lot in one panel
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2018-12-13T08:10:08 < Thorn> real computer https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/IBM2314DiskDrivesAndIBM2540CardReaderPunch.jpg
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2018-12-13T11:07:00 < Ecco> hi :)
2018-12-13T11:10:19 < Ecco> Quick Vbat question: is it OK to hook it to a lithium cell?
2018-12-13T11:10:49 < Ecco> apparently the absolute max rating is 4.0V
2018-12-13T11:10:52 < Ecco> that sucks
2018-12-13T11:11:57 < zyp> why would you connect it to a rechargeable battery?
2018-12-13T11:12:20 < Ecco> well, you might be asking the good question :)
2018-12-13T11:13:06 < Ecco> correct me if I'm wrong, but Vbat serves two purposes : keeping the RTC running and being able to keep a small part of SRAM in a deep power down state
2018-12-13T11:13:48 < zyp> it's a separate sram block, yea
2018-12-13T11:14:18 < Ecco> so in a battery-powered device, why would it be a bad idea to hook that to "the" battery?
2018-12-13T11:16:03 < zyp> how are you handling powering down the rest of the system? just putting it in deep sleep?
2018-12-13T11:16:10 < Ecco> yes
2018-12-13T11:16:47 < Ecco> hardware is dumb : battery -> LDO -> STM32 vdd
2018-12-13T11:16:59 < zyp> Vbat is only ever used when Vdd is not present, so unless you turn off the Vdd supply externally you don't need Vbat
2018-12-13T11:17:23 < zyp> (and additionally since Vdd is regulated, you could just use the same supply for Vbat if needed)
2018-12-13T11:17:26 < Ecco> oh, ok, it makes sense
2018-12-13T11:18:25 < zyp> Vbat is useful when you have a backup supply separate from the main supply
2018-12-13T11:18:33 < Ecco> I get it
2018-12-13T11:18:38 < Ecco> makes perfect sense
2018-12-13T11:18:39 < Ecco> thanks!
2018-12-13T11:19:00 < Ecco> and in that case, coin-cell (I guess), so vbat < 4.0V makes sense again
2018-12-13T11:19:00 < Ecco> ok :)
2018-12-13T11:19:03 < zyp> and in that case, using a lithium primary cell or a supercap makes more sense than a rechargeable battery
2018-12-13T11:20:36 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/rL7QV.png <- I made this once, that coin-like thing is a 220mF supercap
2018-12-13T11:21:24 < zyp> I never measured how long it lasts in practice, but according to my estimates it should keep it running for about half a week
2018-12-13T11:21:52 < Ecco> I see :)
2018-12-13T11:22:48 < zyp> I'd go with a supercap in situations where you mainly want to keep stuff across smaller outages and there's no big deal if it runs out
2018-12-13T11:23:23 < zyp> in this case time is synced with SNTP anyway, but logs are nicer when they have correct time from startup
2018-12-13T11:23:53 < zyp> otherwise a lithium primary cell should be good for years
2018-12-13T11:27:09 < Ecco> gotcha
2018-12-13T11:27:39 < Ecco> I'm looking at crystal guidelines (AN2867, Osc design for STM32)
2018-12-13T11:27:49 < Ecco> they have very harsh recommendation for crystal routing
2018-12-13T11:28:00 < Ecco> are they being a bit anal, or are they really important?
2018-12-13T11:28:41 < qyx> also your LDO Icc might be much higher than keeping the whole mcu powered
2018-12-13T11:29:18 < Ecco> qyx: wat?
2018-12-13T11:29:26 < Ecco> you mean the LDO leaks more current than the MCU?
2018-12-13T11:29:42 < zyp> yeah, that wouldn't be surprising
2018-12-13T11:29:46 < qyx> it may be the case
2018-12-13T11:29:50 < zyp> depends on the LDO
2018-12-13T11:30:14 < Ecco> yeah, but then... what's the problem?
2018-12-13T11:30:19 < Ecco> I feel like I'm missing something
2018-12-13T11:30:23 < zyp> naturally for a battery powered device with the LDO permanently on you'll pick a LDO with very low leakage
2018-12-13T11:31:40 < zyp> crystals are pretty hard to fuck up, main thing is to make sure you get the loading caps right
2018-12-13T11:32:06 < qyx> the point was If your LDO quiescent current is in the order 50-100uA, you may omit Vbat entirely and just keep the MCU on in some low power mode to keep the SRAM contents
2018-12-13T11:32:36 < zyp> apart from that I guess routing concerns are mostly about EMC and you probably don't have to care much about that
2018-12-13T11:32:48 < zyp> hmm
2018-12-13T11:33:03 < zyp> that whole separate ground plane and shit looks like bullshit
2018-12-13T11:33:11 < Ecco> qyx: oh, ok, makes sense
2018-12-13T11:33:31 < zyp> I bet it's easier to make it worse by doing that than make it better
2018-12-13T11:33:57 < Ecco> ok, great :)
2018-12-13T11:34:07 < Ecco> By the way, we picked a 2uA Iq LDO
2018-12-13T11:34:30 < qyx> oh I meant Icc => Iq
2018-12-13T11:34:31 < qyx> yes
2018-12-13T11:34:36 < qyx> good one
2018-12-13T11:34:43 < Ecco> Yeah, we paid attention to that :)
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2018-12-13T11:52:39 < Ecco> I've read the doc about picking the right load caps
2018-12-13T11:52:52 < Ecco> how the hell am I supposed to figure out the stray capacitance of my PBC??
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2018-12-13T11:54:11 < sync> measure or simulate or #yolo
2018-12-13T11:54:33 < Ecco> What would #yolo give? :-D
2018-12-13T11:54:41 < Ecco> Can Altium simulate?
2018-12-13T12:09:16 < zyp> Ecco, guessing :D
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2018-12-13T12:28:12 < Ecco> :-)
2018-12-13T12:28:45 < Ecco> Oh, I understood the meaning of #yolo, I just meant "ok, but then, what do you guys guess?"
2018-12-13T12:30:54 < PeterM> 0.66pf/cm
2018-12-13T12:31:23 < PeterM> *0.36 pf/cm
2018-12-13T12:33:54 < PeterM> http://www.saturnpcb.com/pcb_toolkit.htm
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2018-12-13T13:32:51 < karlp1> aandrew: japan might be giving away houses, but southern italy will even pay you to take over houses
2018-12-13T13:36:59 < zyp> I like to think there's probably a good reason nobody wants to live there
2018-12-13T13:40:24 < Steffannn> Is illegal immigration a good reason?
2018-12-13T13:41:19 < Steffannn> House the hows zyp?
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2018-12-13T13:42:01 < zyp> Steffannn, getting nicer every day
2018-12-13T13:42:11 < zyp> still waiting for plumbers to show up
2018-12-13T13:42:18 < zyp> most other stuff is done
2018-12-13T13:42:23 < Steffannn> Cool :)
2018-12-13T13:43:00 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/vnos3.jpg <- server room is turning out nice
2018-12-13T13:44:29 < Steffannn> Server room?
2018-12-13T13:45:07 < zyp> yeah, I'm planning to put server and stuff under the stairs
2018-12-13T13:45:43 < zyp> ran plenty of conduit there when I prepared for the network, will have fiber outlet there :p
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2018-12-13T14:24:25 < Steffannn> No door or whatever to it? 
2018-12-13T14:27:07 < jpa-> that's zyp's mancave on the left and the door will be behind a bookshelf; you wouldn't want to leave the server room entry exposed to any visitor
2018-12-13T14:28:19 < karlp> wjat are you doing on the stairs? carpetting the middle only?
2018-12-13T14:29:23 < jpa-> looks like just protection sheet so that workmen don't scratch his nice wood stairs with their boots
2018-12-13T14:31:25 < karlp> oh, fair enough.
2018-12-13T14:38:21 < Thorn> I wonder if the workers are immigrants
2018-12-13T14:40:10  * karlp wonders why that is interesting/reelvant
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2018-12-13T14:50:50 < jadew> it could be relevant
2018-12-13T14:51:08 < jadew> for example, I just came from the doctor, who was an immigrant and his english wasn't great
2018-12-13T14:51:23 < jadew> I left with almost 0 information from his office
2018-12-13T14:51:45 < jadew> he kept to himself
2018-12-13T14:52:17 < jadew> told me to come again and that he only works on thursday
2018-12-13T14:52:19 < jadew> right...
2018-12-13T14:54:05 < jadew> the situation could be completely reversed in other fields I guess
2018-12-13T14:55:50 < jadew> also, there's a high chance that the workers are immigrants, from what I hear there's a shortage of construction workers in Europe
2018-12-13T14:56:30 < jadew> even we are importing them from the east
2018-12-13T14:57:20 < jadew> (lots of them)
2018-12-13T14:57:23 < karlp> isn't the quality of their romanian more useful tha the quality of their english?
2018-12-13T14:58:23 < jadew> karlp, who are you talking about? the workers or the doctors?
2018-12-13T14:59:09 < karlp> you and yoru doctor.
2018-12-13T14:59:26 < karlp> I've got _no_ idea why thorn cares about the nationality of the workers building zyp's house.
2018-12-13T15:00:01 < jadew> I don't really care about his romanian or english skills, but I think that because his romanian wasn't great, he refrained from commenting on my issue
2018-12-13T15:04:07 < Thorn> around here most work of this type is performed by immigrants, I'm wondering what the situation is like elsewhere
2018-12-13T15:04:23 < jadew> Thorn, it's the same
2018-12-13T15:04:44 < jadew> what happens is that in high wage countries, people don't do that anymore, because they want a lot of money
2018-12-13T15:05:05 < jadew> so workers from poorer countries do those jobs
2018-12-13T15:05:19 < jadew> for example, a romanian might go to work in the UK
2018-12-13T15:05:54 < jadew> but that means that there are less workers in Romania (because most of them work outside of the countries and refuse to work here for less)
2018-12-13T15:06:14 < jadew> so we have to import from other countries too
2018-12-13T15:11:16 < jadew> design jobs are the best (programming, electronics, graphic design, etc)
2018-12-13T15:11:30 < jadew> foreigners get to take your job and you don't even know it
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2018-12-13T15:15:32 < jadew> sucks for those who used to benefit from the inability of employers to seek lower paid employees, but otherwise, I don't see anything wrong with it (there might be something, but I can't see it yet)
2018-12-13T15:16:49 < jadew> is this bad for the employer too? don't know, but it's his choice anyway
2018-12-13T15:17:02 < jadew> for the lower wage employer is definitely a good thing
2018-12-13T15:18:00 < jadew> is it good/bad for the country? again... not clear - on one hand you get cheaper products (produced by your country), on the other hand you lose jobs
2018-12-13T15:18:33 < jadew> would be interesting to see an analysis of this whole thing, by a capable economist
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2018-12-13T15:48:34 < Steffannn> Will Thorn be an immigrant worker once too?
2018-12-13T15:48:51 < Steffannn> Move to the great europe.
2018-12-13T15:50:04 < Steffannn> You can be Laurenceb's code monkey
2018-12-13T15:54:40 < Thorn> why not the other way round
2018-12-13T15:59:28 < englishman> are you sure of what you are saying there Thorn
2018-12-13T16:00:40 < Thorn> yeah I guess Laurenceb isn't going to be a good code monkey
2018-12-13T16:10:54 < Steffannn> Haha
2018-12-13T16:11:53 < PaulFertser> I'm told that after brexit the UK will stop hiring romanians to build houses and will start hiring skilled russian IT personnel.
2018-12-13T16:12:29 < PaulFertser> (not to build houses though, so it's unclear who is going to fill that niche)
2018-12-13T16:14:23 < Thorn> how do you find anything on https://training.ti.com/
2018-12-13T16:14:47 < Thorn> zero useful navigation there
2018-12-13T16:15:08 < Thorn> and "how to something something ardweeno" in recommended videos
2018-12-13T16:19:38 < englishman> https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Accessories-%7C-Parts/PC-Components/Memory/CORSAIR-VENGEANCE-RGB-PRO-Light-Enhancement-Kit/p/CMWLEKIT2
2018-12-13T16:19:40 < englishman> ramless ram
2018-12-13T16:19:49 < englishman> <Thorn> moneyed westerners
2018-12-13T16:22:09 < aandrew> PaulFertser: given the state of houses in .ro I'm not sure you should have been hriing them in the first place
2018-12-13T16:22:35 < karlp> no-one ever does.
2018-12-13T16:22:45 < karlp> they hire a nice local sounding, local looking prime contractor
2018-12-13T16:22:55 < karlp> who then subcontracts, and subonctracts and subcrontracts...
2018-12-13T16:23:23 < aandrew> I mean there are some *amazing* .ro craftsmen. I've hired a few here in canada
2018-12-13T16:23:49 < karlp> it's almost as if the nationality of the worker isn't actually relevant....
2018-12-13T16:23:55 < aandrew> haha
2018-12-13T16:23:56 < aandrew> nonsense
2018-12-13T16:24:00 < aandrew> everyone knows .ros are gypsies
2018-12-13T16:24:38 < mawk> don't shatter our world representation karlp 
2018-12-13T16:32:30 < Thorn> how do you control leds via ddr4 memory bus
2018-12-13T16:32:39 < Thorn> is there an fpga in those modules?
2018-12-13T16:36:08 < karlp> apparently there's i2c on ddr pins
2018-12-13T16:37:16 < karlp> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5ydn8n/got_the_gskill_trident_z_rgb_protocol_figured_out/
2018-12-13T16:38:26 < karlp> of ocurse, someone's hissy fit about github means the code's "relocated" somewhere
2018-12-13T16:38:55 < karlp> https://gitlab.com/CalcProgrammer1/KeyboardVisualizer/issues/257
2018-12-13T16:59:23 < Laurenceb>  >being this new
2018-12-13T16:59:46 < Laurenceb> tfw https://postimg.cc/3Wt0GbL1
2018-12-13T17:00:32 < Laurenceb> https://postimg.cc/xXDfNvSg
2018-12-13T17:10:03 < mawk> what did the little girl do Laurenceb 
2018-12-13T17:10:20 < Laurenceb> stole her mums chocolate then said a black guy did it
2018-12-13T17:12:30 < mawk> lol
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2018-12-13T17:37:17 < Laurenceb> twitter bullying a 2 year old
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2018-12-13T17:42:00 < Laurenceb> wew it got 4channed
2018-12-13T17:42:01 < Laurenceb> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Physics-Reforged-Parallel-Universes-Dimensions/dp/1517765633/ref=zg_bs_278409_51?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=NZGN1CY3DZ41M44HNHJ9
2018-12-13T17:42:08 < Laurenceb> dat 4.8 rating
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2018-12-13T17:49:25 < mawk> lol
2018-12-13T17:51:00 < englishman> Today's Low -24.5℃
2018-12-13T17:53:58 < Thorn> server motherboard project by Robert Feranec  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXZJ6jrpIKU
2018-12-13T17:55:49 < englishman> cool
2018-12-13T17:56:34 < englishman> yesterday i learned that hard gold isn't the same as gold finger plating
2018-12-13T17:56:40 < englishman> they are separate electroplating lines
2018-12-13T17:59:37 < englishman> also in enig, the nickel layer is thicker than the gold
2018-12-13T17:59:44 < englishman> as the copper will migrate through gold
2018-12-13T18:00:15 < dongs> yes
2018-12-13T18:00:46 < dongs> is feranic still doing those shitty i.mx boards
2018-12-13T18:00:53 < englishman> local bro is installing an enig line
2018-12-13T18:01:06 < dongs> lol hes not using altium
2018-12-13T18:01:12 < englishman> $0.18 / sqin for enig
2018-12-13T18:01:40 < Thorn> does not contain Altium Disaster
2018-12-13T18:03:36 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpgTud1iQ-4
2018-12-13T18:03:37 < englishman> ?
2018-12-13T18:05:27 < englishman> or do you mean that microsoft board
2018-12-13T18:05:48 < Thorn> yes the board
2018-12-13T18:06:02 < Thorn> he has done some allegro tutorials recently btw
2018-12-13T18:06:16 < Thorn> but iirc not enough for a complete course
2018-12-13T18:06:26 < englishman> it could be altidumb
2018-12-13T18:06:38 < englishman> much less ugly than those apple schematics
2018-12-13T18:06:38 < dongs> microsoft board
2018-12-13T18:06:48 < dongs> yeah but apple schematics arent public
2018-12-13T18:06:55 < dongs> just because that faggot rossman steals them
2018-12-13T18:06:58 < dongs> doesnt mean they need to be looked at
2018-12-13T18:07:11 < dongs> FUCK ROSSMAN; ROSSMAN SUX; ROSSMAN IS DYING; ROSSMAN IS DEAD TO ME; ROSSMAN HIT WTC
2018-12-13T18:07:11 < englishman> https://youtu.be/FXZJ6jrpIKU?t=748
2018-12-13T18:07:15 < englishman> that kinda looks like altidumb
2018-12-13T18:07:28 < dongs> no that color scheme is ocrad pdf
2018-12-13T18:07:41 < englishman> ah
2018-12-13T18:08:47 < englishman> only 8 layer, cool
2018-12-13T18:09:05 < dongs> i didnt go that far. that allegro pcb viewer looks terrible
2018-12-13T18:09:20 < englishman> its the pcb layout tool?
2018-12-13T18:09:23 < dongs> yeah
2018-12-13T18:09:23 < englishman> i thought it was a gerber tool
2018-12-13T18:09:25 < dongs> no
2018-12-13T18:09:27 < englishman> hmm
2018-12-13T18:09:28 < englishman> gross
2018-12-13T18:09:32 < dongs> it said allegro viewer or someshit in top
2018-12-13T18:09:43 < dongs> and allegro = some ocrad-related pcb alyout shite
2018-12-13T18:10:32 < englishman> i wouldnt even know which exe to click on
2018-12-13T18:10:40 < englishman> out of the 17 exes
2018-12-13T18:10:58 < dongs> allegro capture CIS or allegro capture CIS plus or allegro capture CIS LGBTQ+
2018-12-13T18:11:13 < Thorn> dongs: was it you who set fire to rossman's shop a few months ago
2018-12-13T18:11:18 < dongs> yes
2018-12-13T18:11:29 < dongs> i flew to NYC just for that
2018-12-13T18:11:32 < dongs> fucking hate that faggot
2018-12-13T18:11:39 < englishman> never assume malice where incompetence will suffice
2018-12-13T18:11:52 < Thorn> you didn't do a very good job, only his basement was flooded
2018-12-13T18:12:13 < Thorn> with china soldering stations that they sell online
2018-12-13T18:12:37 < dongs> fuck rossman
2018-12-13T18:12:40 < dongs> fucking nigger
2018-12-13T18:12:47 < dongs> i hate his shit more than I hate your retarded cat youtube links
2018-12-13T18:13:22 < dongs> k back to this autistic schematic
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2018-12-13T18:16:37 < dongs> is there any way to make ports local to sheet
2018-12-13T18:18:37 < dongs> hmm not port. power port.
2018-12-13T18:19:15 < dongs> If a Power Port is specifically wired to a Port object, then that power net becomes local to that sheet - net connections beyond the sheet must then be defined by the wiring of the Port/Sheet Entry combination.
2018-12-13T18:19:19 < dongs> nice
2018-12-13T18:29:13 < Laurenceb> how do I resize an image in gimp ?
2018-12-13T18:29:24 < Laurenceb> wtf is going on, weird dotted lines everywhere
2018-12-13T18:29:27 < karlp> image->resize...
2018-12-13T18:29:29 < Laurenceb> wtf I can teven
2018-12-13T18:29:35 < karlp> yeah, you're pretty wtf
2018-12-13T18:29:42 < Laurenceb> its just drawing grey rectangles everywhere
2018-12-13T18:30:02 < Haohmaru> yer doing something weird thenz
2018-12-13T18:31:21 < Laurenceb> I'll upload it
2018-12-13T18:31:50 < Laurenceb> https://postimg.cc/jLgdXZFh/6e345789
2018-12-13T18:31:55 < Laurenceb> I need it in 64x64 pixel
2018-12-13T18:32:04 < Thorn> how do i detect a usb charger vs. a host port. my battery controller has a 1.5A/500mA mode select input and I'd like to use it
2018-12-13T18:32:37 < karlp> lolrence: open image. image menu -> scale image.... ?
2018-12-13T18:32:41 < karlp> don't press anything else.
2018-12-13T18:32:50 < karlp> then file->export again.
2018-12-13T18:33:15 < Laurenceb> ah ok thanks
2018-12-13T18:33:26 < Laurenceb> it was importing as layer or something weird
2018-12-13T18:33:31 < Laurenceb> killed gimp and restarted
2018-12-13T18:33:41 < Haohmaru> u murderer
2018-12-13T18:33:42 < karlp> I don't know how you get through the day sometimes :)
2018-12-13T18:33:57 < Haohmaru> karlp with a bunch of scars
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2018-12-13T18:35:49 < dongs> Thorn: what kinda charger?
2018-12-13T18:36:11 < Thorn> >Have a look at the USB charging spec that you referred to (I looked at v1.2), there actually are almost complete schematics with algorithms described on how to detect what kind of (charger) port you are connected to.
2018-12-13T18:36:28 < Thorn> one that can supply > 500 mA
2018-12-13T18:36:53 < dongs> do you want to tell device thats plugged in that you can supply 500-1.5A?
2018-12-13T18:37:07 < Thorn> not supply, consume
2018-12-13T18:37:14 < Thorn> I'm not making a charger
2018-12-13T18:37:29 < dongs> then read the dcp spec, its resistors on dp/dm
2018-12-13T18:37:42 < dongs> tps2513a is the host-side deivce that can tell usb plugged in device that it can draw stuff
2018-12-13T18:37:48 < dongs> maybe datasheet mentions what you need resistor-wise
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2018-12-13T18:40:02 < dongs> bwaha'
2018-12-13T18:40:07 < dongs> i got invited on freecancer to a project
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2018-12-13T18:40:24 < dongs> laptop Motherboard design.
2018-12-13T18:40:26 < dongs> $8-$15 USD/hour   |   40 hours / week   |   Unspecified
2018-12-13T18:40:26 < dongs> Project Description
2018-12-13T18:40:26 < dongs> CPU capable of running Linux 64 bit- optionally can be with RISCV open source instruction set. make CPU as powerful and fast as possible. -GPU portion for graphics requirements in linux- as powerful and good as possible..
2018-12-13T18:40:32 < dongs> l o l
2018-12-13T18:40:39 < dongs> lemme quickly get on this amazing offer at $8/hr
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2018-12-13T18:41:12 < englishman> copypaste that microsoft schematic
2018-12-13T18:41:24 < dongs> ahahahahahahahah
2018-12-13T18:41:29 < dongs> NOT A BAD IDEA
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2018-12-13T18:41:43 < Thorn> ok thanks
2018-12-13T18:41:55 < englishman> no constraints on laptop size in that description
2018-12-13T18:42:02 < jadew> dongs, you can make that into an $60/hr job
2018-12-13T18:42:14 < jadew> they don't know how much you're working
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2018-12-13T18:42:52 < englishman> https://www.grand-seiko.com/global-en/about/movement/mechanical/9S85
2018-12-13T18:42:55 < englishman> mems tech used to make watches
2018-12-13T18:42:57 < englishman> neato
2018-12-13T18:43:14 < dongs> Basically my only requirements are that it can run LINUX 64 bit, and also work correctly with our HDMI port, USB ports, and PCIE SSD, RAM, wifi etc... Also it needs to be capable of rendering graphics as best as possible.
2018-12-13T18:43:32 < dongs> basically i ahve no fucking clue, just make
2018-12-13T18:43:34 < dongs> at 8/hr
2018-12-13T18:43:40 < dongs> does riscv evn have pcie
2018-12-13T18:43:47 < dongs> i thought it was all retarded hobby shite
2018-12-13T18:44:09 < Haohmaru> "as best as poshiburu"
2018-12-13T18:44:18 < Haohmaru> moar best.. bester!
2018-12-13T18:44:26 < Laurenceb> hmm weird
2018-12-13T18:44:39 < Laurenceb> muh graph in debug build works fine
2018-12-13T18:44:44 < Laurenceb> release build is glitchy
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2018-12-13T18:45:05 < jadew> Laurenceb, uninitialized stuff?
2018-12-13T18:45:14 < Laurenceb> yeah must be
2018-12-13T18:45:23 < Laurenceb> time to check all the warnings :S
2018-12-13T18:45:28 < jadew> lol
2018-12-13T18:46:01 < Laurenceb> bbl
2018-12-13T18:46:11 < Haohmaru> nah, sweep em under teh rug with a broom
2018-12-13T18:46:41 < jadew> disable warnings and distribute the debug version :P
2018-12-13T18:50:01 < Haohmaru> strip teh debug symbols to make it smol
2018-12-13T18:50:15 < jadew> haha
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2018-12-13T19:07:09 < englishman> workspaces renamed to "project group"
2018-12-13T19:07:09 < englishman> why
2018-12-13T19:12:39 < dongs> what workspaces
2018-12-13T19:12:44 < englishman> altidumb
2018-12-13T19:12:49 < dongs> some new shit?
2018-12-13T19:12:52 < dongs> fuck 19 until they fix routing
2018-12-13T19:13:33 < dongs> holy shit
2018-12-13T19:13:37 < englishman> whats wrong with routing
2018-12-13T19:13:39 < dongs> im getting 6meg/sec over chinese LTE
2018-12-13T19:13:44 < dongs> have you tried to route anything in 19?
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2018-12-13T19:13:52 < dongs> place->track doesnt work
2018-12-13T19:13:59 < dongs> the logic for bending/etc is fucked
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2018-12-13T19:19:17 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/ycjITjp.png
2018-12-13T19:19:36 < englishman> 19.0.9
2018-12-13T19:20:32 < marble_visions> lol @ ^
2018-12-13T19:21:26 < englishman> https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/soviet-big-red-missile-button-switch-surplus/60862
2018-12-13T19:21:34 < marble_visions> stop running altium on stm32, looks like you're out of flash bounds with that 0x8000FFFF address :D
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2018-12-13T19:50:46 < dongs> hm how the fuck do i make a nettie object that doesnt DRC violate when placed inside 
2018-12-13T19:51:06 < dongs> ah nvm i can keep it outisde pins
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2018-12-13T20:04:50 < englishman> digikey put back the old filter mode \o/
2018-12-13T20:04:55 < dongs> yes
2018-12-13T20:04:59 < dongs> slider or whatever newshit was
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2018-12-13T20:59:01 < bitmask> pcbs will be here monday, woot woot
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2018-12-13T21:08:18 < aandrew> wtf are you donig up at this hour dongs
2018-12-13T21:08:27 < aandrew> net ties are fucking stupid
2018-12-13T21:08:32 < aandrew> I thought they'd be good
2018-12-13T21:08:39 < aandrew> but they're literally a physical object you have to move around
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2018-12-13T21:28:18 < Steffanx> oh no
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2018-12-13T21:43:59 < bitmask> go back to your self fellating elephants
2018-12-13T21:47:13 < Steffanx> ^
2018-12-13T21:52:21 < Steffanx> hi
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2018-12-13T21:59:06 < zyp> Steffanx, carpenters finished the wall for my server room today: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/IMXpZ.jpg
2018-12-13T21:59:39 < zyp> also: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/KhSMN.jpg https://bin.jvnv.net/file/60jwm.jpg
2018-12-13T22:00:46 < zyp> the box next to the power outlet in the last pic is for network, planning to run dual cat6 and dual duplex fiber
2018-12-13T22:01:01 < zyp> that should be enough network :p
2018-12-13T22:02:25 < Steffanx> Ah there is the entrance :)
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2018-12-13T22:04:41 < Steffanx> ill miss your rock basement server room photos :P
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2018-12-13T22:10:27 < bitmask> when you fork a project on github what is the proper thing to do with the readme? do you keep the original or link to it?
2018-12-13T22:13:56 < malinus> bitmask: link to it? Why? everyone can tell it's a fork. You can write what the changes are, if you don't expect to push back.
2018-12-13T22:14:11 < Thorn> there is an automatic link to the original repo
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2018-12-13T22:14:38 < Thorn> something like bitmask/smart-dildo (forked from dongs/smart_dildo)
2018-12-13T22:16:49 < bitmask> well I guess I want to keep his instructions 
2018-12-13T22:17:42 < Thorn> any commit you make is eventually going to be merged back into the main repo (at least that's the idea). so why would you trash the readme 
2018-12-13T22:18:09 < Thorn> unless you actually intend to fork the project and develop it independently
2018-12-13T22:18:25 < bitmask> yes that
2018-12-13T22:18:49 < bitmask> I mean he can take my changes but I don't know if he has any desire to
2018-12-13T22:18:57 < bitmask> alright I'll just edit his readme then
2018-12-13T22:20:09 < qyx> you can change anything you want in the forked repo
2018-12-13T22:20:21 < qyx> you can then make a pull request for anything you want
2018-12-13T22:20:36 < qyx> and the original repo owner may pull anything from you if they want
2018-12-13T22:21:39 < zyp> qyx, that's slightly untrue
2018-12-13T22:21:56 < qyx> anything I say may be untrue
2018-12-13T22:22:56 < zyp> when you're forking something, you're still bound by the original license terms, which usually states that you need to keep the original license notice
2018-12-13T22:23:31 < qyx> ok but thats not the problem of git (/github) itself
2018-12-13T22:23:50 < zyp> so you can't fork something and then go stripping out all the copyright info
2018-12-13T22:24:44 < zyp> qyx, I don't think he were asking about git limitations
2018-12-13T22:26:10 < zyp> but yeah, you guys have some good points otherwise
2018-12-13T22:26:27 < zyp> I'd say what to do depends on what the intention for the fork is
2018-12-13T22:27:34 < zyp> if you're forking to patch something and submit a PR to have it merged back in the original repository, change only what you need to, make sane commits that are easy to review, etc
2018-12-13T22:28:13 < zyp> if you're forking to make an actual fork and you don't care about contributing back, go wild
2018-12-13T22:30:13 < zyp> contributing back to the original project is generally preferable though, that way you get your thing fixed, but you don't have to keep maintaining it yourself after
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2018-12-13T23:26:58 < Thorn> why capacitance drops with dc bias https://training.ti.com/ldo-basics-capacitor-vs-capacitance?cu=1135683
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2018-12-13T23:37:24 < englishman> cool
2018-12-13T23:37:33 < englishman> 20% rated capacitance at 6V
2018-12-13T23:38:13 < antto> that's when yer capacitors go out on a protest
2018-12-13T23:39:02 < antto> "we can't take it anymore!"
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2018-12-13T23:57:35 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/ZaTuFB5QXHo?t=302
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2018-12-14T00:51:10 < qyx> I have a prototype here using the SX1231 radio
2018-12-14T00:51:38 < qyx> I was tempted to desolder one from a random RFM69 module
2018-12-14T00:52:24 < qyx> but fuk, SX1231 on the RFM69 is QFN28/0.5
2018-12-14T00:52:36 < qyx> while the original SX1231 is QFN24/0.65
2018-12-14T00:52:54 < qyx> probably they are repackaging it and remarking as RF69
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2018-12-14T00:53:34 < kakimir> drove 8hours today
2018-12-14T00:53:46 < kakimir> at one sitting
2018-12-14T00:53:53 < catphish> i drove 1 (in 2 sittings)
2018-12-14T00:54:10 < qyx> across the finland?
2018-12-14T00:55:18 < kakimir> I didn't leave car
2018-12-14T00:55:32 < kakimir> over 700km
2018-12-14T01:15:42 < englishman> qyx there are a couple different registers
2018-12-14T01:16:06 < englishman> hoperf is likely packaging them and getting some custom settings yeah
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2018-12-14T02:39:28 < ds2> oshpark is early!
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2018-12-14T03:48:43 < dongs> Cracki: i dont get it
2018-12-14T03:49:26 < dongs> yea?
2018-12-14T03:49:29 < dongs> ive never seen it
2018-12-14T03:52:45 < aandrew> anyone here used the HAL USB shits on STM32?
2018-12-14T03:53:02 < aandrew> trying to understand the fifo stuff with HAL_PCDEx_SetxxFifo
2018-12-14T03:53:14 < dongs> haha, hal
2018-12-14T03:56:03 < aandrew> yeah yeah
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2018-12-14T04:54:55 < sync> yes aandrew, although I outsoresed that specific shit
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2018-12-14T05:13:01 < aandrew> I've got a working example just trying to understand the shit
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2018-12-14T05:45:13 < jadew> are you guys aware of a tool that can cut leads from a perpendicular position?
2018-12-14T05:45:59 < jadew> should be narrow too, so I can cut leads that are difficult to reach with side snips
2018-12-14T05:46:05 < PeterM> dont all tools cut leads from a perpendicular position?
2018-12-14T05:46:13 < jadew> perpendicular to the board
2018-12-14T05:46:22 < jadew> so it takes the lead in
2018-12-14T05:46:29 < jadew> then cuts it at the base
2018-12-14T05:46:52 < PeterM> ive seen lead forming tools that do it, but none for already mounted components
2018-12-14T05:47:50 < jadew> I haven't seen one either
2018-12-14T05:50:13 < aandrew> jadew: sounds like nail clippers
2018-12-14T05:50:28 < jadew> something like that, yeah, but tiny
2018-12-14T05:50:45 < aandrew> ... tiny nail clippers. :-)
2018-12-14T05:50:53 < jadew> :)
2018-12-14T05:51:50 < sync> there are sidecutters like that
2018-12-14T05:53:19 < sync> lindström 8211
2018-12-14T05:54:44 < sync> ofc there are other more expensive or cheaper alternatives
2018-12-14T05:55:26 < jadew> that looks promising
2018-12-14T05:55:38 < jadew> thanks
2018-12-14T06:50:02 < ds2> still using TH parts?!
2018-12-14T06:58:36 < Thorn> do these batteries have any internal protection? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2-PCS-Samsung-New-100-Original-18650-ICR18650-26F-M-2600-mAh-Li-ion-3-7/32361692616.html
2018-12-14T07:04:41 < PeterM> unlikely
2018-12-14T07:08:32 < Thorn> so do I actually need all this DW01 stuff https://i.imgur.com/8AxYAwk.png
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2018-12-14T07:22:38 < PeterM> unless you have some other way to do protection or dont care about it, yes
2018-12-14T07:23:58 < Thorn> ok especially since the first user is going to be myself, better safe than sorry lol
2018-12-14T07:26:56 < jadew> ds2, some parts have to be TH
2018-12-14T07:27:16 < jadew> ex: button switches
2018-12-14T07:27:46 < Thorn> dongs seems to like smd pushbuttons
2018-12-14T07:27:49 < jadew> they have higher mechanical resistance
2018-12-14T07:28:36 < jadew> well, smd push buttons are fine, but if your switch is horizontal, not so much
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2018-12-14T07:40:49 < dongs> yeah i got some decent smd pushbuttons
2018-12-14T07:40:52 < dongs> jadew: even side switchesa re OK
2018-12-14T07:41:27 < dongs> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/smd-smt-side-push-button-tact_60104431684.html these are nice
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2018-12-14T07:43:29 < jadew> dongs, it's a power button
2018-12-14T07:44:15 < dongs> what mine?
2018-12-14T07:44:19 < jadew> those switches do look nice tho
2018-12-14T07:44:20 < dongs> just a tactile button
2018-12-14T07:44:22 < jadew> no, mine
2018-12-14T07:44:24 < jadew> yeah
2018-12-14T07:50:02 < dongs> they're called TC-020 or someshit, but every chink place has different part#s for htem
2018-12-14T07:50:09 < dongs> im pretty sure htey're a clone of some ALPS or something thing
2018-12-14T07:51:04 < dongs> https://www.alps.com/prod/info/E/HTML/Tact/SurfaceMount/SKSC/SKSC_list.html shorter version of same thing
2018-12-14T07:56:10 < Thorn> btw does anyone know if DW01 is a clone of something western or an original design?
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2018-12-14T08:53:56 < ds2> smd switchers can be cheaper for assembly (no second opt)
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2018-12-14T09:03:33 < Thorn> I somehow need to finish this crap https://i.imgur.com/QoTwf5h.png
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2018-12-14T09:36:58 < dongs> not enough SMA
2018-12-14T09:37:04 < PeterM> place all components befoer routing is a good start
2018-12-14T09:37:49 < dongs> yeah, i don't even start routing anything until everything is placed
2018-12-14T09:39:27 < jadew> same here
2018-12-14T09:40:24 < jadew> top-down design seems to be a good practice regardless of what your doing
2018-12-14T09:42:02 < kakimir> what are you autisming about here?
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2018-12-14T09:44:36 < kakimir> jadew: nice
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2018-12-14T09:44:58 < kakimir> *Thorn nice board
2018-12-14T09:46:10 < Thorn> it'd also be nice to finish schematics
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2018-12-14T09:56:54 < kakimir> it looks a bit generic
2018-12-14T09:57:27 < kakimir> but you have figured out that interface part already I assume
2018-12-14T09:58:16 < kakimir> that is some gpios to pin row and thats pretty much it?
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2018-12-14T10:30:21 < dongs> why i cant find design files for TPS61088 EVM
2018-12-14T10:35:08 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/8IlHjdw.png and thi sis the highest quality layout thats available in their fucking users manual pdf
2018-12-14T10:35:41 < dongs> i dont know, how hard is it to paste hirespics into a document when making shit
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2018-12-14T10:39:57 < jadew> seems good enough
2018-12-14T10:40:04 < dongs> i mean i cant even fuckign read the refdes on half the shit
2018-12-14T10:40:07 < dongs> no its fuckign retarded
2018-12-14T10:40:07 < jadew> the jist is many vias and big caps, close to it
2018-12-14T10:40:22 < jadew> doesn't say what's under it tho
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2018-12-14T11:01:15 < Thorn> why would you need a 10A boost converter
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2018-12-14T11:15:35 < Steffanx> The juice.
2018-12-14T11:18:22 < Steffanx> Lolled (irl)
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2018-12-14T11:34:19 < Thorn> Object accessed after being destroyed!
2018-12-14T11:34:24 < Thorn> Altium Disaster
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2018-12-14T12:11:17 < Steffanx> Dont make altium do that Thorn 
2018-12-14T12:15:29 < Sadale> I guess I've made something dumb.
2018-12-14T12:15:52 < Sadale> Using 5 I/O pins to drive 16 LEDs + 9 input buttons + 1 slider switch input
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2018-12-14T13:16:38 < dongs> cocks
2018-12-14T13:16:54 < dongs> yeah very dumb
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2018-12-14T13:41:53 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGcKjy_UNQ4 dave teaches tricks
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2018-12-14T14:36:45 < Steffanx> Welcome kakimir. Hows the day.
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2018-12-14T14:41:36 < aandrew> Thorn: your i2c battery monitor bat- and hte bottom of the divider should go to bat- not gnd, shouldn't it?
2018-12-14T14:43:19 < aandrew> dongs: always hated r/a smt pushbuttons. I see the plastic tits on that one but I'm always worried about them coming off the pads
2018-12-14T14:44:41 < karlp> it's fine when they're held in place by the casing
2018-12-14T14:44:53 < aandrew> Thorn: hm no, you can't have 2k to ground on a lipoly it'll drain dead. maybe two 100k but not 1k
2018-12-14T14:45:04 < karlp> also, probably fine for the ones that have four pads,
2018-12-14T14:45:13 < aandrew> 2k is a very "heavy" divider though
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2018-12-14T14:45:20 < aandrew> karlp: probably
2018-12-14T14:46:00 < karlp> we have some taller right angle ones here that are SMT pads, and two mounting holes, (unsolderd) and we've bent them over when theyðre just on your desk
2018-12-14T14:46:10 < karlp> only _two_ smt pads,
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2018-12-14T14:47:39 < aandrew> 2x mcp3421 seems awful expensive to measure battery
2018-12-14T14:49:18 < karlp> very unthorn even.
2018-12-14T14:51:44 < qyx> Sadale: whats your schematic
2018-12-14T14:52:05 < Sadale> qyx, mostly charlieplexing :3
2018-12-14T14:54:18 < Ecco> hya
2018-12-14T14:54:36 < aandrew> damn man that i2c adc is $2.5 in singles
2018-12-14T14:54:38 < Ecco> I'd like to make a "version" of a PCB with solder bridges so that I can easily measure currents at some given points
2018-12-14T14:54:41 < aandrew> Thorn: you're on crack
2018-12-14T14:54:48 < Ecco> Question 1: does that seem like a bad idea?
2018-12-14T14:55:18 < aandrew> Ecco: I don't like solder bridges, prefer 0.100" 2 pin headers, you can even put a trace between them on the pcb and cut it if you want to measure current
2018-12-14T14:55:48 < Ecco> ok
2018-12-14T14:55:49 < aandrew> solder bridges on high current or sensitive signals is just an unknown resistor of lowish ohms. 
2018-12-14T14:55:56 < Ecco> yeah I see
2018-12-14T14:56:16 < Ecco> So that brings me to Question 2 : I'm happy with my current routing in Altium
2018-12-14T14:56:19 < aandrew> if you don't like 0.100" PTH headers then put an 0805 0 ohm resistor there or something (same idea with trace between so you DNP it normally)
2018-12-14T14:56:27 < Ecco> is there an easy way to add those "current tespoints"?
2018-12-14T14:56:37 < aandrew> I like PTH for anything I have to measure or hook up to. too many times I've ripped pads off boards
2018-12-14T14:56:49 < aandrew> Ecco: just place the component where you want it
2018-12-14T14:56:56 < aandrew> you don't have to reroute unless there is no room
2018-12-14T14:57:16 < Ecco> well, the problem is that once you "split" the thing, it should make two "nets", shouldn't it?
2018-12-14T14:57:59 < aandrew> Thorn: those 2x mcp3421 don't even have address selection, so you have to order two different BOM lines
2018-12-14T14:58:18 < aandrew> Ecco: not if your component has both pins shorted
2018-12-14T14:58:27 < Ecco> makes sense
2018-12-14T14:58:39 < Ecco> But then I have to cut the trace when I want to measure
2018-12-14T14:58:49 < Ecco> Seems more complicated than just putting a drop of solder by default
2018-12-14T14:59:25 < aandrew> sure, but like I said 99.9% of the time you're not cutting that trace
2018-12-14T14:59:42 < aandrew> so the bringup you just cut and install the header and measure to your heart's content
2018-12-14T14:59:49 < aandrew> and when you're done you can short it with a jumper
2018-12-14T14:59:57 < Ecco> hmm, makes sense
2018-12-14T15:00:11 < aandrew> but to each their own, that's just how I do it and htere's nothing inherently bad about a solder bridge unless it's high current or sensitive logic
2018-12-14T15:00:16 < aandrew> gotta take kid to school
2018-12-14T15:00:21 < Ecco> :)
2018-12-14T15:00:23 < Ecco> ok, thanksè
2018-12-14T15:00:26 < Ecco> thanks!
2018-12-14T15:01:57 < Laurenceb> https://postimg.cc/Pp8jPZDH
2018-12-14T15:04:21 < karlp> notfunny.jpg
2018-12-14T15:05:56 < Laurenceb> confirmed as welsh
2018-12-14T15:07:21 < karlp> not even not funny, just not even comprehensible
2018-12-14T15:09:43 < Laurenceb> tfw https://postimg.cc/bZCrnxZS
2018-12-14T15:10:58 < karlp> even less comprehensible
2018-12-14T15:11:05 < Ecco> Cracki: yep
2018-12-14T15:11:17 < Ecco> but those take too much room in my case
2018-12-14T15:11:26 < Laurenceb> karlp confirmed as paypig
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2018-12-14T15:11:40 < Laurenceb> she looks like such a nice grrrl
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2018-12-14T15:13:22 < Laurenceb> she is dead
2018-12-14T15:14:36 < Laurenceb> od'd
2018-12-14T15:15:04 < Laurenceb> now I'm worried about my cousin :-S
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2018-12-14T15:17:01 < Laurenceb> findom
2018-12-14T15:19:16 < Steffanx> And his aunt is a porn star, his dad a pedo in thailand. I dont believe it :P
2018-12-14T15:21:47 < Laurenceb> wut
2018-12-14T15:21:59 < Laurenceb> > dad a pedo in thailand
2018-12-14T15:22:09 < Laurenceb> that part isnt accurate
2018-12-14T15:22:18 < Laurenceb> his wife is >16
2018-12-14T15:22:24 < Laurenceb>  """wife"""
2018-12-14T15:25:50 < dongs> aandrew: i donno i shipped a lot of boards with those. never had a button torn off 
2018-12-14T15:25:57 < dongs> yes, i know i also worried about the 'coming off the pads' thing.
2018-12-14T15:26:16 < dongs> the plastic actuator/button is actually easier to break than the thing off the pads
2018-12-14T15:26:50 < day> when u realize dongs is the normal one in the channel...
2018-12-14T15:30:16 < dongs> yeah Laurence/b/ sometimes goes off on some crazy shit
2018-12-14T15:30:19 < dongs> about stuff nobody cares about
2018-12-14T15:32:08 < Laurenceb> I am enlightened https://postimg.cc/QVkZycpB
2018-12-14T15:34:17 < dongs> not even gonna click
2018-12-14T15:34:27 < dongs> also stop using that shitfaggot site and use imgur or somerthing
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2018-12-14T15:48:03 < karlp> he's probably getting a slice of the ad revenues
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2018-12-14T15:58:57 < Laurenceb> smh ppl slandering my family
2018-12-14T15:59:16 < Laurenceb> do you even know the age of consent in Thailand bro 
2018-12-14T16:03:15 < Steffanx> <day> when u realize dongs is the normal one in the channel... < Dongs made us like this...
2018-12-14T16:04:03 < Steffanx> And after did this to use he backed of.
2018-12-14T16:04:10 < Steffanx> us*
2018-12-14T16:04:16 < Steffanx> Off*?
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2018-12-14T16:28:33 < englishman> Thorn: are you using 19?
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2018-12-14T16:38:40 < invzim> hazaa, jlcpcb stuff in production
2018-12-14T16:38:58 < invzim> got a faint hope it will be in my hands before the holidays
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2018-12-14T16:54:20 < englishman> Maker.io powered by DigiKey
2018-12-14T16:54:32 < englishman> From Maker to Market
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2018-12-14T16:56:17 < englishman> at least in their "10 steps to success" they put funding after prototyping
2018-12-14T16:56:27 < bitmask> have you seen those handheld routers? if I understand it correctly it has a screen that uses like augmented reality and you follow the outline and the router can move a tiny bit within its boundaries and so you follow the line roughly and it follows precisely, thats awesome
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2018-12-14T16:57:46 < bitmask> https://www.shapertools.com/
2018-12-14T16:57:48 < bitmask> so cool :P
2018-12-14T17:03:40 < karlp> fucking modem manager, it's even attempting to probe the linux gadget serial
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2018-12-14T17:19:29 < Laurenceb> https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Books-Physics/zgbs/books/14545
2018-12-14T17:19:37 < Laurenceb> top ten entry O_o
2018-12-14T17:20:43 < Laurenceb> >xkcd, omg science guy, and omnisphere guy
2018-12-14T17:20:48 < Laurenceb> the absolute state
2018-12-14T17:23:07 < rajkosto> uhhh
2018-12-14T17:23:17 < rajkosto> my globals that are initialized to 0 have trouble not being 0
2018-12-14T17:23:26 < dongs> is Laurenceb a herbivore man
2018-12-14T17:23:43 < Laurenceb> welcome to 2005 dongs
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2018-12-14T17:26:16 < rajkosto> if i make a static int g_something = 0; i cant change it from 0
2018-12-14T17:26:24 < rajkosto> but if i make its initial value 15
2018-12-14T17:26:29 < rajkosto> can be changed just fine
2018-12-14T17:26:31 < rajkosto> writing to it does nothing ?
2018-12-14T17:27:53 < rajkosto> can i set a data breakpoint on it instead
2018-12-14T17:28:22 < rajkosto> its at debug level
2018-12-14T17:28:46 < dongs> rajkosto: are you fucking with it from interupts,
2018-12-14T17:28:49 < dongs> if so maybe make volatile
2018-12-14T17:28:49 < dongs> etc
2018-12-14T17:28:55 < rajkosto> nah
2018-12-14T17:30:39 < rajkosto> the one that isnt initialized to 0 ends up in .data:20000034 _ZL7g_width
2018-12-14T17:30:52 < rajkosto> the one that does ends up in .bss:20000184 _ZL7g_phase     % 4 
2018-12-14T17:31:16 < rajkosto> i might be writing past end on the array before it
2018-12-14T17:31:30 < rajkosto> cuz it hueg
2018-12-14T17:31:49 < rajkosto> takes too much time
2018-12-14T17:34:43 < rajkosto> ah yes vsprintf is adding a null at the very end
2018-12-14T17:38:48 < Laurenceb> oh wow hunting ppl from my school on faceberg
2018-12-14T17:39:05 < Laurenceb> my best mate has converted to islam and married a nigerian
2018-12-14T17:39:11 < Laurenceb> the absolute state
2018-12-14T17:40:03 < Laurenceb> facebook: where u can convince urself ur not a loser by finding ppl from ur school
2018-12-14T17:56:47 < Haohmaru> and they can too
2018-12-14T18:01:23 < Laurenceb> kek he is selling paving slabs on ebay to make a living
2018-12-14T18:01:39 < Laurenceb> >still better than shakking the babby
2018-12-14T18:02:40 < Steffanx> Zyp's new charger https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0288583EN/research-project-“fastcharge”:-ultra-fast-charging-technology-ready-for-the-electrically-powered-vehicles-of-the-future
2018-12-14T18:08:49 < bitmask> dhl express is awesome
2018-12-14T18:09:03 < bitmask> china to US in one day
2018-12-14T18:09:16 < bitmask> too bad I still have to wait until monday
2018-12-14T18:16:11 < Steffanx> Or they meant "charging capacity" like later on in the article.
2018-12-14T18:17:29 < englishman> i had a whole pile of esp32 modules and devboards and cannot find them anywhere
2018-12-14T18:17:41 < englishman> has anyone seen them
2018-12-14T18:18:02 < Steffanx> The garbage truck driver?
2018-12-14T18:18:27 < englishman> 450kW is pretty stout
2018-12-14T18:20:03 < englishman> cables made by Phoenix Contact
2018-12-14T18:20:07 < englishman> cool
2018-12-14T18:20:12 < englishman> they might actually deliver
2018-12-14T18:22:22 < bitmask> hmm ,what shape button caps should I make
2018-12-14T18:25:26 < Steffanx> Elephant.
2018-12-14T18:25:32 < bitmask> yes!
2018-12-14T18:26:39 < bitmask> oh shit, I just remembered I have some flexible PLA (sample) that I never tried.  maybe buttons would be cool 
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2018-12-14T18:30:19 < bitmask> http://bputah.com/Disco2%20Parts/Land_Rover_Discovery_Horn_Button_A.jpg
2018-12-14T18:30:23 < bitmask> maybe something like that
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2018-12-14T18:31:09 < bitmask> whats wrong with buttons
2018-12-14T18:35:04 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/PGgu5ZE.png how's my boost converter
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2018-12-14T18:36:18 < rajkosto> yoooo
2018-12-14T18:36:51 < rajkosto> how big is the boost
2018-12-14T18:37:06 < dongs> 5 to 9 or 12
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2018-12-14T18:43:28 < englishman> yay found em
2018-12-14T18:43:33 < englishman> in a place i had checked 3 times already
2018-12-14T18:46:26 < rajkosto> dongs, lame, when you boostin to 200
2018-12-14T18:46:27 < karlp> fucking javascript
2018-12-14T18:46:37 < karlp> found a "change" between jquery 2.1 and 2.2.
2018-12-14T18:48:17 < aandrew> hm, my FTDI circuit is fine, it's the USB3340 which is fucking with me
2018-12-14T18:48:54 < karlp> https://jsfiddle.net/fhm62xz5/
2018-12-14T18:49:00 < karlp> not that anyone here really cares I guess.
2018-12-14T18:51:03 < Steffanx> Nah, doesnt work well on a phone
2018-12-14T18:53:17 < zyp> Steffanx, hmm, not convinced
2018-12-14T18:53:39 < zyp> of the charging operators I remember from germany, Allego is the one I'm the least impressed with
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2018-12-14T18:54:13 < zyp> and this doesn't seem all that different from what the operators are doing anyway
2018-12-14T18:54:30 < karlp> hrm, seems to be https://github.com/jquery/jquery/commit/86e62d8b37ff9ad40e7c21c2c0c440a9cdfc550e with no idea why that's changed at all.
2018-12-14T18:55:01 < zyp> I've got eight 350kW chargers twenty minutes away now
2018-12-14T18:55:40 < zyp> sure, 450 is more, but in practice it doesn't matter until there's a car that can saturate the 350kW one :p
2018-12-14T18:56:25 < aandrew> motherfuck
2018-12-14T18:56:35 < aandrew> "The RESETB pin must be high when using the analog switches so that the VDD33 supply is present. If the VDD33 sup- ply is applied externally and RESETB is held low the switches will be off."
2018-12-14T18:56:41 < aandrew> so no passthrough when in reset
2018-12-14T19:05:39 < aandrew> yep. misread the datasheet
2018-12-14T19:05:40 < aandrew> oh well
2018-12-14T19:05:42 < aandrew> so much for that
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2018-12-14T19:16:46 < Laurenceb> how can I debug a Qt application that just quits as soon as it opens?
2018-12-14T19:17:05 < Laurenceb> but only in release mode, so I cant get debug info
2018-12-14T19:18:33 < aandrew> that sucks
2018-12-14T19:18:50 < rajkosto> you should still be able to debug it even in release mode
2018-12-14T19:18:53 < rajkosto> and symbols should work too
2018-12-14T19:18:58 < aandrew> you could try debugging it raw (e.g. looking at the map file to get an idea of what function you're in)
2018-12-14T19:19:00 < rajkosto> its just that optimizations will be enabled
2018-12-14T19:19:09 < Laurenceb> hmm ok
2018-12-14T19:19:23 < Laurenceb> if I could get printf to work that would be a help
2018-12-14T19:19:26 < Laurenceb> I'll try that first
2018-12-14T19:20:16 < Thorn> aandrew: it's not 2K, it's "to be calculated", this is why they're marked by red circles
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2018-12-14T20:03:02 < Laurenceb> hmm QProcess reports CrashExit
2018-12-14T20:03:05 < Laurenceb> v useful
2018-12-14T20:03:35 < Laurenceb> I fixed all the compiler warnings but error is unchanged
2018-12-14T20:06:36 < antto> don't just stop at 0 warnings.. keep going
2018-12-14T20:06:50 < antto> at least down to -200 warnings
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2018-12-14T20:12:04 < emeb> trying to do timer-triggered DAC w/ DMA using HAL lib on an F3. I have this working on F3 w/ old StdPeriph lib but figuring out the right dance steps for HAL is a huge PITA.
2018-12-14T20:13:33 < emeb> One fun part - HAL DAC source broken down into dac.c and dac_ex.c - if you don't link in dac_ex.c then it still compiles & runs but silently fails to properly configure DAC CR.
2018-12-14T20:14:01 < emeb> (weakly defined config funcs in dac.c)
2018-12-14T20:15:28 < Steffanx> did you know LL_* stuff is closer to peripheral lib stuff?
2018-12-14T20:15:42 < jpa-> did you know: don't use crap?
2018-12-14T20:16:43 < Steffanx> what the super great alternative, except laks?
2018-12-14T20:17:00 < jpa-> well for DAC, just use the registers
2018-12-14T20:17:06 < jpa-> there isn't that much to setup anyway
2018-12-14T20:17:47 < Steffanx> but then there is the timers and dma
2018-12-14T20:17:58 < Steffanx> but... not that too much either :p
2018-12-14T20:18:02 < Steffanx> thats
2018-12-14T20:18:14 < Steffanx> and welcome jpa-, hows the day
2018-12-14T20:18:22 < jpa-> pretty ok
2018-12-14T20:18:35 < Steffanx> im glad to hear that
2018-12-14T20:19:07 < jpa-> how's holland? flooded yet?
2018-12-14T20:19:19 < emeb> jpa-: yeah - homemade reg access stuff is probably overall simpler
2018-12-14T20:19:37 < Steffanx> yeah, but i think the guy wasnt referring to water jpa-.
2018-12-14T20:21:44 < jpa-> Steffanx: have you made a lot of gifts?
2018-12-14T20:23:51 < aandrew> Thorn: ah
2018-12-14T20:24:01 < aandrew> I usually mark parts that I don't know the values to as "TBD" for their value
2018-12-14T20:24:11 < aandrew> makes them stand out like sore thumbs in the BOM
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2018-12-14T20:26:05 < Laurenceb> hmf I'm out of debugging ideas
2018-12-14T20:26:25 < Laurenceb> muh application only crashes if its run in release mode and fed some data over stdin
2018-12-14T20:26:32 < Laurenceb> dunno how to simulate this
2018-12-14T20:28:13 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: take a look at the core dump?
2018-12-14T20:30:11 < mawk> lol Laurenceb 
2018-12-14T20:30:16 < mawk> you're seriously asking the question ?
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2018-12-14T20:30:32 < jpa-> yeah, crashes how? if it is hardfault, maybe you could take some gdb macros from Laurenceb's repo and use them to decode it
2018-12-14T20:30:36 < mawk> you did all the things I said would send you to developer hell
2018-12-14T20:30:49 < mawk> no wonder it crashes
2018-12-14T20:38:03 < emeb> zyps gdb macros are pretty handy
2018-12-14T20:45:23 < jpa-> how about zippe's macros?
2018-12-14T20:49:57 < Thorn> jpa-: iinm it's still his qt app on windows
2018-12-14T20:50:15 < Thorn> unless I missed a part of the show
2018-12-14T20:50:19 < zyp> haha
2018-12-14T20:53:02 < Thorn> englishman: nope still on 18
2018-12-14T20:53:22 < zyp> emeb, zippe's*
2018-12-14T20:53:31 < zyp> I haven't had anything to do with them
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2018-12-14T20:55:24 < mawk> follow the true way of programming Laurenceb 
2018-12-14T20:55:30 < mawk> I've not launched gdb in years
2018-12-14T20:56:56 < emeb> zyp: aha. too many z*p*s
2018-12-14T20:57:03 < mawk> CrashExit means slave process returned >0 also
2018-12-14T20:57:10 < mawk> or just a signal
2018-12-14T20:57:46 < zyp> emeb, sorry about that :)
2018-12-14T20:59:28 < upgrdman> is there a respected website/yt channel/whatever for headphone reviews?
2018-12-14T21:02:27 < zyp> heh
2018-12-14T21:02:50 < zyp> good look weeding them from the hifi bullshit
2018-12-14T21:03:34 < zyp> luck*
2018-12-14T21:05:10 < emeb> audiophool
2018-12-14T21:05:13 < Laurenceb> mawk: never programmed on pc before seriously
2018-12-14T21:05:45 < Laurenceb> so perman00b
2018-12-14T21:05:59 < Laurenceb> I'll look for core dump
2018-12-14T21:06:46 < Laurenceb> but there isnt one
2018-12-14T21:06:55 < Laurenceb> hmf back to square 1
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2018-12-14T21:07:26 < Laurenceb> guess I could try to slow it down with lots of sleeps then there might be time to attach gdb
2018-12-14T21:07:26 < jpa-> enable coredumps with ulimit? :P
2018-12-14T21:07:39 < jpa-> why can't you just start within gdb?
2018-12-14T21:07:39 < Laurenceb> what is ulimit?
2018-12-14T21:07:54 < Laurenceb> jpa-: it only crashes when its started using QProcess
2018-12-14T21:07:54 < Steffanx> Dont you qtcreator?
2018-12-14T21:08:03 < Laurenceb> yeah its all in qcreator
2018-12-14T21:08:15 < jpa-> Laurenceb: so put gdb on the process that uses QProcess and set it to follow children?
2018-12-14T21:08:28 < Laurenceb> jpa: huh didnt know that existed
2018-12-14T21:08:38 < Laurenceb> jpa-: where is the menu for configuring that?
2018-12-14T21:08:41 < jpa-> (heck, of all the people on ##stm32, I'd expect Laurenceb would know how to follow children!)
2018-12-14T21:08:51 < Laurenceb> thats my dad
2018-12-14T21:08:57 < jpa-> set follow-fork-mode child
2018-12-14T21:09:01 < Laurenceb> ok
2018-12-14T21:09:33 < Laurenceb> aha I see it in menu, thanks
2018-12-14T21:11:10 < Laurenceb> woah this is slow and killing cpu
2018-12-14T21:11:22 < Laurenceb> but seems to be doing something
2018-12-14T21:11:36 < Steffanx> Get more cpu
2018-12-14T21:12:07 < Laurenceb> looks like it wont let me probe usb :-/
2018-12-14T21:12:22 < Laurenceb> so I cant connect to anything to test now
2018-12-14T21:12:41 < Laurenceb> sudo qtcreator?
2018-12-14T21:18:48 < Laurenceb> nope no luck
2018-12-14T21:18:57 < Laurenceb> looks like I'll have to just ship the debug build
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2018-12-14T21:24:39 < zyp> jpa-, haha
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2018-12-14T21:35:37 < aandrew> motherfucking YES
2018-12-14T21:35:37 < aandrew> Info : JTAG tap: fpga.tap tap/device found: 0x0310a0dd (mfg: 0x06e (Altera), part: 0x310a, ver: 0x0)
2018-12-14T21:37:35 < Ultrasauce> holy shit you got it
2018-12-14T21:37:39 < Ultrasauce> how much rework did it take
2018-12-14T21:39:38 < zyp> is that related to the bga reballing?
2018-12-14T21:40:55 < aandrew> had NOTHING to do with reballing, and I am 100% confident my other FGPA is perfectly fine
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2018-12-14T21:42:33 < zyp> well, I remember the reballing was a stm32
2018-12-14T21:42:43 < zyp> unless I'm mixing up or have missed something here
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2018-12-14T21:46:30 < aandrew> I reflowed the STM32, then reballed the STM32, then discovered I'd swapped PDR_ON and BYPASS_REG
2018-12-14T21:46:48 < aandrew> so I tied the VCAP pins to the FPGA's 1.2V supply and STM32 came up
2018-12-14T21:46:56 < aandrew> but the FPGA was still being a bitch (TDO stuck low) 
2018-12-14T21:47:20 < aandrew> so I reflowed the FPGA, reballed the FPGA, replaced the FPGA and finally wrote down ALL the relevant signals and started measuring one at a time
2018-12-14T21:47:26 < aandrew> admittedly that should have been done FIRST
2018-12-14T21:47:58 < aandrew> and when I discovered that the 2V5 rail was 0.2V but the LDO generating it was putting out 2.5V (tested very early on) I started taking a closer look
2018-12-14T21:48:19 < aandrew> and discovered that I'd swapped an C and and L, so the 2.5V going to the FPGA was capacitively coupled to the regulator output
2018-12-14T21:48:22 < aandrew> that doesn't work so well. :-)
2018-12-14T21:50:19 < aandrew> during placement
2018-12-14T21:50:23 < aandrew> in schematic it's right
2018-12-14T21:50:35 < aandrew> man so fucking relieved
2018-12-14T21:52:57 < aandrew> Cracki: oh no I have most things broken out
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2018-12-14T21:55:29 < zyp> aandrew, sounds fun
2018-12-14T21:56:04 < zyp> Cracki, wouldn't help, if the LED was still on the regulator side of the cap (that should have been an inductor)
2018-12-14T21:56:14 < aandrew> Info : JTAG tap: auto0.tap tap/device found: 0x00191043 (mfg: 0x021 (Lattice Semi.), part: 0x0191, ver: 0x0)
2018-12-14T21:56:17 < aandrew> Info : JTAG tap: auto1.tap tap/device found: 0x00191043 (mfg: 0x021 (Lattice Semi.), part: 0x0191, ver: 0x0)
2018-12-14T21:56:20 < aandrew> Info : JTAG tap: auto2.tap tap/device found: 0x0310a0dd (mfg: 0x06e (Altera), part: 0x310a, ver: 0x0)
2018-12-14T21:56:23 < aandrew> yay
2018-12-14T21:56:30 < Thorn> the L would be closer to the fpga than the power led most likely
2018-12-14T21:56:33 < aandrew> Cracki: well I checked all the rails; they're all fine
2018-12-14T21:56:45 < aandrew> what I did not check was to check the rails *at* the device
2018-12-14T21:57:01 < aandrew> the 2.5V regulator is fine, then it goes through an LC to power the analog rail of the fpga
2018-12-14T21:57:05 < aandrew> it's that analog rail I didn't verify
2018-12-14T21:57:11 < aandrew> anyway time to go
2018-12-14T21:57:15 < aandrew> holy fuck I feel so relieved
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2018-12-14T22:17:35 < englishman> arrow randomly switched to spanish
2018-12-14T22:17:43 < englishman> 1  artículo(s) añadido(s) al carrito
2018-12-14T22:22:03 < Steffanx> Mate.
2018-12-14T22:24:50 < Steffanx> Hows the arduino, crt
2018-12-14T22:26:21 < Ultrasauce> you blew your arduino?
2018-12-14T22:26:26 < Ultrasauce> is that like, reverse teledildonics?
2018-12-14T22:26:42 < rajkosto> how do i use stm32 to control high voltage you guys
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2018-12-14T22:27:24 < englishman> mosfet
2018-12-14T22:29:15 < rajkosto> 270 VDC OK ?
2018-12-14T22:29:54 < rajkosto> can stm32 be fast enough to be used for buck/boost pwm regulation ?
2018-12-14T22:30:36 < zyp> of course it can
2018-12-14T22:32:47 < rajkosto> this wasnt answered yesterday, does stm32 automatically charge lithium batteries connected to vbat ?
2018-12-14T22:33:01 < zyp> no
2018-12-14T22:33:20 < zyp> that's absolutely not what vbat is for
2018-12-14T22:33:36 < zyp> rechargeable lithium batteries are generally above the vbat rated voltage
2018-12-14T22:33:47 < rajkosto> the coin cells.
2018-12-14T22:34:00 < zyp> 3V lithium primary cells are not rechargeable
2018-12-14T22:34:02 < upgrdman> heh, youtube's new fullscreen functionality it pretty cool
2018-12-14T22:34:07 < upgrdman> scroll to see more, etc
2018-12-14T22:36:34 < rajkosto> zyp, my entire life has been a lie
2018-12-14T22:37:15 < zyp> aww
2018-12-14T22:37:29 < rajkosto> i always thought the ones on motherboards, etc get slowly recharged as the system is in use
2018-12-14T22:37:45 < zyp> «primary» in the context of batteries means non-rechargeable by the way
2018-12-14T22:38:46 < rajkosto> seems like its better to just attach a i2c eeprom instead of using the vbat 80B/4K sram then
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2018-12-14T22:40:32 < zyp> depends what your use is
2018-12-14T22:40:52 < zyp> if you also want rtc, powering vbat is natural
2018-12-14T22:41:12 < rajkosto> i mean it could be a clock, it has a display
2018-12-14T22:41:15 < zyp> otherwise, it depends on what sort of access pattern you expect to have
2018-12-14T22:41:41 < zyp> eeprom is fine if you're not gonna write it too often and want to have full retention, i.e. config stuff
2018-12-14T22:42:23 < zyp> if you're gonna write it regularly, you need to start considering write cycles, which easily shifts the equation in the favor of ram
2018-12-14T22:42:37 < zyp> but then on the other hand you get i2c frams in the same form factor as the eeproms
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2018-12-14T22:52:38 < mawk> you can force core dumps on linux Laurenceb 
2018-12-14T22:52:42 < mawk> no need to hack with sleeps and all
2018-12-14T22:52:47 < mawk> also you can direct gdb to trace children
2018-12-14T22:52:53 < mawk> even less need to hack with sleep
2018-12-14T22:53:00 < mawk> just run master in gdb
2018-12-14T22:53:03 < mawk> and let it trace the child
2018-12-14T22:54:55 < mawk> also Laurenceb don't hide behind your noobness, it's just laziness
2018-12-14T22:55:33 < mawk> you can take some time to find the canonical solution, or at least a not so bad one, but you kept the O_NONBLOCK thing with something totally unrelated, despite me saying several times that mixing low-level I/O with Qt/C++ I/O is the perfect way to mess things up
2018-12-14T22:59:47 < Laurenceb> ok
2018-12-14T23:01:45 < mawk> if you wanted you could even ditch select and use some pipe tricks
2018-12-14T23:01:51 < mawk> instead of O_NONBLOCK and select and all
2018-12-14T23:02:06 < mawk> but you still can't use C++ I/O or Qt I/O
2018-12-14T23:02:12 < mawk> only open() read() write() and stuff
2018-12-14T23:03:45 < mawk> you have several solutions
2018-12-14T23:03:47 < mawk> all on linux
2018-12-14T23:03:55 < mawk> first is packet mode, very easy
2018-12-14T23:04:05 < mawk> you enable packet mode, then pipe is magically transformed into datagram mode
2018-12-14T23:04:06 < bitmask> anyone see the ballad of buster scruggs?
2018-12-14T23:04:33 < Steffanx> pass
2018-12-14T23:04:43 < bitmask> but but cohen brothers
2018-12-14T23:05:05 < Steffanx> i think jadew said it was the best movie ever, but .. i laughed at him
2018-12-14T23:05:22 < Steffanx> but then i dont like cohen.
2018-12-14T23:05:50 < bitmask> well time to put it on, laters
2018-12-14T23:08:12 < Steffanx> goodby.
2018-12-14T23:08:13 < Steffanx> e
2018-12-14T23:09:35 < Laurenceb> raising arizona was good
2018-12-14T23:09:43 < Laurenceb> everything else they have made was aweful
2018-12-14T23:12:01 < Laurenceb> unwatchable incoherent nonsense
2018-12-14T23:12:36 < Steffanx> ^
2018-12-14T23:12:45 < Steffanx> does that sound familiar a bit Laurenceb ?
2018-12-14T23:15:54 < Laurenceb> 4chan is more fun than cohen brothers
2018-12-14T23:16:12 < mitrax> No country for old men was quite good, the ending is a bit of a let down though
2018-12-14T23:16:29 < Laurenceb> its was dreadful
2018-12-14T23:17:56 < mitrax> ahahah
2018-12-14T23:18:42 < Steffanx> did you see doctor schultz yet crt ?
2018-12-14T23:20:32 < mitrax> Django unchained?
2018-12-14T23:20:36 < Steffanx> yeah
2018-12-14T23:20:46 < Steffanx> but that's a no.
2018-12-14T23:21:15 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/goddessscandy/status/956418321951412224
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2018-12-14T23:22:09 < Steffanx> sure
2018-12-14T23:22:12 < Steffanx> email?
2018-12-14T23:22:23 < Laurenceb> dick pics inbound
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2018-12-14T23:23:03 < mitrax> i really enjoyed Hereditary
2018-12-14T23:23:11 < Steffanx> 6.8GB / 10MByte .. meh thats quite a few emails/attachments.
2018-12-14T23:23:12 < Laurenceb> https://vocaroo.com/i/s1DJTKKEf5uR
2018-12-14T23:24:24 < Steffanx> try netflix
2018-12-14T23:24:36 < Steffanx> dutchflix has it
2018-12-14T23:24:55 < Steffanx> dont know about aussieflix
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2018-12-14T23:42:55 < Thorn> what do I do with a 24 bit ADC with separate digital/analog power and ground on a 2 layer board
2018-12-14T23:43:19 < Thorn> should I at least add a ferrite bead to the analog power?
2018-12-14T23:49:25 < antto> why would he know such a thang
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2018-12-15T00:00:21 < invzim> I'm getting some stuff from digikey
2018-12-15T00:00:52 < invzim> can anyone recommend some nice brand-name tweezers I can add on to the order?
2018-12-15T00:02:05 < emeb> lol - got my timer/dma/dac working. fsking remap bits.
2018-12-15T00:03:08 < Thorn> the ads1220 EVM doesn't have any beads between Vdd and AVdd
2018-12-15T00:03:40 < emeb> filtering is for pussies
2018-12-15T00:04:00 < emeb> real men live with digital noise on the analog supply and like it
2018-12-15T00:05:07 < Thorn> oh they have spare pads for you to play with. by default populated by 0Ω resistors
2018-12-15T00:06:22 < Thorn> >There is enough inductance in the ferrite that can starve the ADS1220 of needed current when powering up.  If you want to add some filtering between the DVDD and AVDD supply inputs I would suggest replacing the ferrite with a small value of resistance in the range of 1 to 10 ohms
2018-12-15T00:06:37 < Thorn> from Bob the TI Guru
2018-12-15T00:07:22 < emeb> I've seen that used on analog stuff before
2018-12-15T00:07:26 < invzim> Cracki: I got ONE pair that is really nice, tips doesn't move sideways at all etc - but been used so much the markings have worn off
2018-12-15T00:07:28 < Thorn> apparently the POR ckt in it is not good
2018-12-15T00:07:40 < invzim> picked up some off lcsc, but not same quality
2018-12-15T00:07:50 < Thorn> Cracki: yes they're talking AVdd
2018-12-15T00:07:52 < emeb> 10ohm resistor in the power supply, filter cap on power pin
2018-12-15T00:09:07 < Thorn> wel I'm adding a 0603 footprint in series with AVdd, before the decoupling cap (i.e. the cap is closest to the IC)
2018-12-15T00:09:16 < emeb> yep
2018-12-15T00:09:34 < emeb> botulism in 3... 2... 1...
2018-12-15T00:09:39 < Thorn> I recently cleaned my freezer
2018-12-15T00:09:48 < Thorn> can't believe the things I found there
2018-12-15T00:10:20 < emeb> We're cleaning the garage. Boxes of shit that's been out there for 30yrs
2018-12-15T00:10:25 < invzim> FRIDGE for a year?
2018-12-15T00:10:44 < emeb> Just found a box of magazines that the termites got into - yikes!
2018-12-15T00:10:56 < emeb> talk about voracious readers
2018-12-15T00:34:39 < emeb> kill them with fire
2018-12-15T00:34:59 < emeb> the world is not short of mice.
2018-12-15T00:35:32 < emeb> and a mousetrap is quick - more humane death than poison, or any predator they'd ever be eaten by.
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2018-12-15T00:40:06 < emeb> rofl
2018-12-15T00:40:20 < emeb> slow starvation = humane!
2018-12-15T00:47:25 < emeb> heh
2018-12-15T00:47:35 < emeb> "send them to live in the country"
2018-12-15T00:54:32 < emeb> until one day it wakes up and attacks you in your sleep
2018-12-15T01:04:54 < emeb> reminds of some pals in college - wanted to make hard cider in their dorm room.
2018-12-15T01:05:08 < emeb> bought some unpasteurized apple juice. Set it on the heater.
2018-12-15T01:05:46 < emeb> It fermented for a few days, got foamy, bubbly, eventually turned into vinegar.
2018-12-15T01:06:33 < emeb> Never actually got "fun".
2018-12-15T01:13:48 < emeb> ya - best to add the right yeast beasties.
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2018-12-15T01:47:21 < mawk> Laurenceb: 
2018-12-15T01:47:38 < mawk> I made two examples of reading pipe with nicely delimited messages, without using select()
2018-12-15T01:47:47 < mawk> one of the two ways is portable on UNIX normally
2018-12-15T01:48:09 < mawk> https://paste.serveur.io/2WC7O0ne.c
2018-12-15T01:48:20 < mawk> do_packet is the canonical method, using O_DIRECT
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2018-12-15T01:48:45 < mawk> you read datagrams of max size 64k
2018-12-15T01:49:11 < mawk> and do_peek is using the trick of waiting for data to be available then querying buffer size and read the rest
2018-12-15T01:51:56 < Steffanx> you're too good for him mawk :P
2018-12-15T01:52:10 < mawk> lol
2018-12-15T02:18:09 < englishman> emeb sounds like they forgot the airlock
2018-12-15T02:18:17 < englishman> also cider needs to be back-sweetened
2018-12-15T02:18:43 < englishman> other than that, not much more to making cider!
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2018-12-15T04:27:36 < con3> I've got a question..I'm looking at the HAL_Delay function and I'm slightly lost as to how it's working. I have a systick handler, but it's getting stuck in an infinite loop the second time I call Hal_delay and I can't see how this would ever work.
2018-12-15T04:27:43 < con3> here's the function : https://hastebin.com/etoqubohew.cpp
2018-12-15T04:28:08 < con3> if I want a 500 millisecond delay, I'd do the following HAL_Delay(500);
2018-12-15T04:28:57 < con3> this would in the hastebin code assign wait = 500, will wait is less than the max delay which is some huge value, it gets incremented
2018-12-15T04:29:26 < con3> then in the next while loop it pretty much says while((0-0)<wait){}
2018-12-15T04:30:09 < con3> Am I losing my mind or is there no way it'll ever exit the while loop? Is there some secondary function being called that I'm not aware of?
2018-12-15T04:33:49 < Thorn> what do you mean by 0 - 0? is there an overflow?
2018-12-15T04:34:41 < Thorn> is your tick frequency correct?
2018-12-15T04:35:27 < con3> Thorn: the while loop has this :   while ((HAL_GetTick() - tickstart) but prior to this tickstart = HAL_GetTick(), so not 0-0 but that portion is pretty much subtracting the value from itself so it'll always be 0
2018-12-15T04:36:03 < Thorn> HAL_GetTick() should return an ever increasing number
2018-12-15T04:36:43 < con3> Thorn: it does
2018-12-15T04:37:12 < con3> but seeing as tickstart = HAL_GetTick(), the while loop will be while(0<wait){}
2018-12-15T04:37:25 < con3> and wait seems to be ever increasing
2018-12-15T04:37:38 < Thorn> so (HAL_GetTick() - tickstart) should also be increasing
2018-12-15T04:38:02 < Thorn> tickstart and wait aren't assigned to in the loop, why would they increase
2018-12-15T04:38:29 < Thorn> they're set once at the start of HAL_Delay()
2018-12-15T04:39:00 < con3> hmm
2018-12-15T04:40:51 < con3> they don't
2018-12-15T04:41:54 < con3> I popped a delay of 1000 in, prior to entering the loop wait was increased by one due to the if statement so wait was 1001
2018-12-15T04:42:10 < con3> hal_gettick returned 9350
2018-12-15T04:42:32 < con3> so the while loop looked like this while((9350-9350) <10001){}
2018-12-15T04:42:39 < con3> then it just stays in that loop
2018-12-15T04:43:06 < con3> I feel lick the tick should be increasing somewhere..
2018-12-15T04:43:21 < con3> or the wait should be decreasing or something to exit the damn while
2018-12-15T04:44:24 < Thorn> wait can't increase, the code is perfectly clear about that
2018-12-15T04:44:47 < Thorn> your loop is while((gettick()-9350) <10001){}
2018-12-15T04:45:02 < Thorn> what increases is the return value of gettick()
2018-12-15T04:45:48 < Thorn> if gettick() increases then gettick() - 9350 increases and it will eventually become >= 10001 -> loop exits
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2018-12-15T04:47:24 < con3> it's not increasing though..just stays 9350
2018-12-15T04:47:47 < Thorn> how do you know
2018-12-15T04:48:26 < con3> It's stuck in an infinite loop, have the expressions values displayed in atollic and they just stay 9350
2018-12-15T04:48:46 < con3> I think I need to get some sleep
2018-12-15T04:48:58 < con3> 5am coding is no bueno
2018-12-15T04:49:17 < Thorn> try stepping through it
2018-12-15T04:55:23 < con3> Cracki: Will do, thanks for the help Cracki and Thorn !
2018-12-15T04:57:22 < con3> Cracki: I agree, I can see that the systick is called, so the tick must increase. I just don't understand why it isn't exiting. I didn't know about the Ram thing, the tick value remaining constant was very weird
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2018-12-15T05:09:29 < con3> Cracki: I think I'm at the point where I should get some sleep and come back :p this is just probably me doing something stupid and I'm going to waste you guys time. had a heavy coding session, so going to sleep for a few hours and should be back later. Will report back
2018-12-15T05:09:38 < con3> Thanks for the help everyone
2018-12-15T05:09:53  * con3 looks at time : 5:09 am
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2018-12-15T10:47:43 < Thorn> is there a way to obtain a single combined interrupt signal from sx1276/rfm95?
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2018-12-15T12:16:40 < kakimir> have you seen first man on the moon?
2018-12-15T12:16:53 < Steffanx> Not yet.
2018-12-15T12:16:58 < kakimir> planning to?
2018-12-15T12:17:38 < kakimir> soundtrack deserves 5/5
2018-12-15T12:17:38 < Steffanx> Isnt the title "First Man"?
2018-12-15T12:17:44 < kakimir> yes
2018-12-15T12:18:15 < kakimir> I confused it with "ensimmäinen kuussa"
2018-12-15T12:18:30 < kakimir> first on the moon if translated to english
2018-12-15T12:19:27 < kakimir> we went to wrong theatre so I need to see the movie again because I missed x15 scene
2018-12-15T12:20:02 < Steffanx> Lolwut?
2018-12-15T12:20:14 < kakimir> I'm in helsinki
2018-12-15T12:20:28 < kakimir> there was 2 theatres
2018-12-15T12:20:36 < kakimir> literally 3minutes metro ride appart
2018-12-15T12:21:30 < kakimir> 5/5 soundtrack
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2018-12-15T12:21:45 < kakimir> almost wetted my eyes
2018-12-15T12:24:24 < rajkosto> dongs, you using AD19 yet
2018-12-15T12:27:54 < Sadale> interesting. Despite that I'm giving the same amonut of power, some LEDs are brighter, some are dimmer. 
2018-12-15T12:29:34 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz1cpQ0jLEg soundtrack
2018-12-15T12:29:40 < rajkosto> are you using constant current power supply
2018-12-15T12:29:43 < rajkosto> are they in series or parallel
2018-12-15T12:30:04 < Sadale> charlieplexing :P
2018-12-15T12:30:08 < kakimir> try "The Landing" if you want go straight to the peak moment
2018-12-15T12:30:12 < Sadale> So it's mostly parallel.
2018-12-15T12:30:35 < rajkosto> constant current on parallel doesnt divide current equally unless you have one constant current regulator per parallel branch
2018-12-15T12:30:49 < Sadale> The good thing about the dimmer one is that it won't lit when I put in a large resistor, which is what I want.
2018-12-15T12:31:05 < Sadale> I use a multimeter to measure the current consumption.
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2018-12-15T12:54:05 < Steffanx> Good evening charlie
2018-12-15T13:06:52 < Steffanx> Why lucifer? Is he a devil?
2018-12-15T13:09:07 < invzim> knew I saw it somewhere, but can't find it on the zypsnips
2018-12-15T13:09:26 < invzim> anyone got part# for 10pin 1.27mm shrouded smd swd connector?
2018-12-15T13:11:28 < Steffanx> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/cortex-debug-headers-cables.md
2018-12-15T13:12:47 < invzim> cheers, MOAR COFFEE :)
2018-12-15T13:14:49 < Sadale> I wonder what would happen if I'm using unconventional components prefixes for a board. Would PCB assembly accept that?
2018-12-15T13:15:16 < invzim> so call the resistors C and capacitors R? :)
2018-12-15T13:15:33 < Sadale> not really. but calling them in an obscure language. like capacitor would be wawa.
2018-12-15T13:15:40 < Sadale> wawa1, wawa2, etc.
2018-12-15T13:16:05 < invzim> it would be incredibly error prone for sure
2018-12-15T13:16:09 < Sadale> It's sort of an art project I guess. :3
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2018-12-15T13:16:14 < Sadale> well, that's what I thought.
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2018-12-15T13:17:03 < Sadale> I just found that it could be much cheaper if I get somone else to do that. Soldering myself manually would generate time-cost of around $40 per unit.
2018-12-15T13:17:18 < Sadale> Getting an assmebly to do that would be like at most $5 per unit I guess.
2018-12-15T13:17:39 < invzim> well, you can put whatever you want on the silk as long as the assembly drawings have a sane designator
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2018-12-15T13:17:59 < Sadale> I see. So the silk mark and the assembly drawing can be different?
2018-12-15T13:19:11 < Sadale> Ah. I remember. There're two different layers showing the name of the components. One of them is silk mark. Another is used for fab or documentation.
2018-12-15T13:19:20 < Sadale> invzim, thanks for your idea :3
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2018-12-15T13:22:06 < invzim> thumbs-up for https://www.digikey.no/product-detail/en/3220-10-0300-00/1175-1629-ND/
2018-12-15T13:22:28 < invzim> now to see if lcsc has something similar
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2018-12-15T13:50:51 < Steffanx> Interesting number crt
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2018-12-15T15:35:20 < invzim> doh, don't rush when buying components
2018-12-15T15:35:58 < invzim> got some oscillators and went with brand without paying attention to ppm, got 100ppm instead of normal 20 :(
2018-12-15T15:36:12 < mawk> so 5 times better invzim 
2018-12-15T15:36:15 < mawk> you should be happy
2018-12-15T15:36:59 < invzim> 5 times better at being worse :)
2018-12-15T15:39:01 < invzim> does it indicate error pr absolute, or does jitter come into play too?
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2018-12-15T17:50:29 < rajkosto> how do i get altium to align my components according to designator in pcb
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2018-12-15T18:00:24 < bitmask> I love it when you call me big poppa
2018-12-15T18:11:39 < mawk> you're not in Laurenceb's PM bitmask you're on the channel
2018-12-15T18:12:01 < bitmask> oh shit
2018-12-15T18:12:03 < bitmask> my bad
2018-12-15T18:15:37 < bitmask> man, designing this pcb case is way more annoying than I hoped it would be
2018-12-15T18:20:27 < bitmask> the buttons are too deep so I need to design button caps into the face plate and so theres the main box that goes in my pocket and then the face plate snaps over the fabric to outline the oled and buttons 
2018-12-15T18:21:11 < bitmask> since it has external components its just more difficult than throwing it in a box
2018-12-15T18:31:52 < bitmask> sorry you asked, huh
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2018-12-15T18:38:31 < mawk> the ultimate solid-state is clouded human consciousness
2018-12-15T18:38:47 < mawk> no moving parts ever after that
2018-12-15T18:42:02 < bitmask> one comment says from 2014, that true?
2018-12-15T18:42:16 < bitmask> funny either way
2018-12-15T18:43:14 < mawk> yeah there are no tractors atm in paris
2018-12-15T18:43:23 < mawk> and I remember seeing that some years ago
2018-12-15T18:43:31 < mawk> but they could've done it again
2018-12-15T18:45:09 < mawk> almost all military police squadrons are deployed on french territory
2018-12-15T18:45:17 < mawk> no-one with a yellow jacket can take a train, a highway, etc
2018-12-15T18:45:28 < mawk> so it can't happen again yet
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2018-12-15T19:01:54 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/G3CFwvg.png
2018-12-15T19:01:58 < bitmask> maybe something like this will work
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2018-12-15T19:11:50 < rajkosto> yooo where did you find the step model for the 128x32 oled lcd
2018-12-15T19:14:58 < Steffanx> Internet
2018-12-15T19:28:33 < rajkosto> with the whole board
2018-12-15T19:28:57 < Steffanx> i wouldnt be surprised if he made it himself
2018-12-15T19:29:08 < Steffanx> bitmask is a man with time.
2018-12-15T19:29:27 < bitmask> hah nah I got it on grabcad
2018-12-15T19:29:45 < Steffanx> awh too bad
2018-12-15T19:33:43 < bitmask> grabcad is my go to
2018-12-15T19:33:48 < bitmask> good stuff on there
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2018-12-15T20:11:41 < rajkosto> i need the SPI version which is also wider
2018-12-15T20:23:27 < bitmask> modify it
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2018-12-15T20:59:28 < Thorn> Cracki: what do you mean both, there are 6 of them
2018-12-15T21:00:25 < Thorn> DIO[5:0]
2018-12-15T21:01:11 < Thorn> yes they're mostly used for interrupts but these is also a mode where 2 of them are used for data streaming
2018-12-15T21:01:26 < Thorn> and there's no way to program one of them to assert on any interrupt
2018-12-15T21:01:54 < Thorn> looks like some people OR them with diodes
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2018-12-15T22:41:14 < kakimir> yet another ubiquiti
2018-12-15T22:41:35 < kakimir> now I have 2 devices in my site controller for APs
2018-12-15T22:43:12 < Steffanx> sexy
2018-12-15T22:43:57 < kakimir> Unifi AP AC Lite
2018-12-15T22:44:05 < kakimir> and Unifi AP AC LR
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2018-12-15T22:50:11 < Steffanx> Wasnt your appartment very tiny?
2018-12-15T22:50:40 < kakimir> it's my hobby at family farm
2018-12-15T22:51:04 < Steffanx> still havent found yourself a larger room?
2018-12-15T22:51:08 < kakimir> optic ethernets, ubiquiti APs, WDS
2018-12-15T22:51:23 < kakimir> not yet 10G
2018-12-15T22:51:47 < Steffanx> i have 10G, but its totally overkill.
2018-12-15T22:51:50 < Steffanx> fibre
2018-12-15T22:51:53 < kakimir> Steffanx: appartment?
2018-12-15T22:52:19 < Steffanx> yeah
2018-12-15T22:52:53 < kakimir> nope
2018-12-15T22:53:08 < kakimir> it needs to be pretty sweet deal if I change it
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2018-12-15T23:04:51 < qyx> much farming with 10g
2018-12-15T23:05:01 < qyx> does it enhance production?
2018-12-15T23:08:47 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-15_22-03-07_V5IPFcwGF.png with 284 leds on one strip, i cant power them purely in series, what to do
2018-12-15T23:10:48 < kakimir> 2psus
2018-12-15T23:11:01 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHkdH294UAc musics
2018-12-15T23:11:04 < kakimir> 1991
2018-12-15T23:11:49 < qyx> I would try CCFL inverter
2018-12-15T23:12:21 < rajkosto> that makes AC not DC
2018-12-15T23:12:31 < qyx> with rectifier of course
2018-12-15T23:12:43 < rajkosto> what rectifier can handle 950VDC
2018-12-15T23:13:03 < rajkosto> (i would need to have a constant current buck regulator after the rectifier too)
2018-12-15T23:13:10 < qyx> any common hifgh voltage diode?
2018-12-15T23:13:22 < qyx> why, isnt the inberter current limited?
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2018-12-15T23:18:16 < rajkosto> does that translate ?
2018-12-15T23:18:21 < rajkosto> through a rectifier and capacitor
2018-12-15T23:18:57 < Steffanx> crt ^
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2018-12-15T23:25:29 < rajkosto> also are CCFL drivers strobable at 1ms via their ENA pin ?
2018-12-15T23:26:15 < rajkosto> http://www.ges.cz/sheets/o/oz9938.pdf "ignition and shutdown timers" 
2018-12-15T23:29:12 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/w9nyXkU.png
2018-12-15T23:29:27 < bitmask> gettin somewhere
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2018-12-16T00:40:12 < kakimir> https://i.imgur.com/8Bz2FqF.jpg
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2018-12-16T00:54:03 < catphish> tl;dr
2018-12-16T00:58:06 < catphish> i have the attention span of something, i forget what
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2018-12-16T01:16:45 < kakimir> catphish: Tubulinea?
2018-12-16T01:17:05 < kakimir> let's pump
2018-12-16T01:17:09 < catphish> sure
2018-12-16T01:17:11 < kakimir> I feel down
2018-12-16T01:17:59 < catphish> in some places pump means fart (verb)
2018-12-16T01:18:14 < kakimir> oh
2018-12-16T01:18:23 < kakimir> where?
2018-12-16T01:19:31 < catphish> according to wiktionary.org - scotland, but definitely also other parts of the uk hence how i know
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2018-12-16T01:41:52 < Steffanx> Out of snus kakimir ?
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2018-12-16T01:42:13 < Steffanx> You need stroopwafels
2018-12-16T01:43:41 < Laurenceb_12> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA4F3K1xI8g
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2018-12-16T01:55:58 < catphish> my mother is english and my father is english, you know what that kind of inbreeding does to a person :|
2018-12-16T02:07:44 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/kBCEzq0.png
2018-12-16T02:07:45 < bitmask> not sure if I like the buttons
2018-12-16T02:12:37 < bitmask> true, its not done yet but maybe I'll follow your advice and keep the buttons as is for now
2018-12-16T02:16:59 < catphish> i'd favour https://i.imgur.com/boq0a5L.png
2018-12-16T02:17:57 < catphish> possibly with some slight softening on the edges, but not much, but what would i know :)
2018-12-16T02:21:10 < catphish> simple, nice to press, https://i.imgur.com/6tkCGJU.png
2018-12-16T02:21:22 < bitmask> heh I already knocked the curve down, not to flat like yours but we'll see
2018-12-16T02:22:00 < bitmask> I like (and originally had) what you did but I thought the curve would be easier to press, I'll see what happens, gonna print a test now
2018-12-16T02:22:48 < catphish> i was basing it on this which i have on my desk and like: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/614sfP79lPL._SL1000_.jpg
2018-12-16T02:23:51 < catphish> maybe yours is better though, i might be wrong :)
2018-12-16T02:23:57 < bitmask> yea, thats good when its right in front of you, I was worried about having to reach around to press my chest :)
2018-12-16T02:24:14 < bitmask> i'll print a few of em and see
2018-12-16T02:25:28 < catphish> some kind of controller? heating?
2018-12-16T02:27:22 < bitmask> heated hoodie 
2018-12-16T02:28:02 < catphish> sounds terrifying
2018-12-16T02:29:04 < bitmask> why
2018-12-16T02:31:41 < catphish> mostly because i don't like things i'm wearing to have the scope to catch fire :)
2018-12-16T02:32:26 < bitmask> meh, i'll survive
2018-12-16T02:32:50 < catphish> probably
2018-12-16T02:44:31 < Laurenceb_12> https://postimg.cc/jLPkvL7g
2018-12-16T02:45:03 < Laurenceb_12> tfw
2018-12-16T02:48:36 < Laurenceb_12> https://postimg.cc/kBqx34Hh
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2018-12-16T04:16:10 < bitmask> Bunny
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2018-12-16T05:15:36 < Laurenceb_12> keek asian memmi waifu video is "going viral"
2018-12-16T05:17:00 < Laurenceb_12> the absolute state of ausfags
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2018-12-16T06:01:36 < bitmask> whyz tomorrow gotsta be a sunday
2018-12-16T06:01:43 < bitmask> I wantz me package
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2018-12-16T06:58:41 < dongs> sup dongs
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2018-12-16T07:07:33 < Thorn> do you like my routing https://i.imgur.com/OHfx8Y0.png
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2018-12-16T07:49:38 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/joehode/status/1074030468478222337
2018-12-16T07:56:44 < Thorn> T - 20 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sufgd_gp7mk
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2018-12-16T09:20:41 < dongs> oops i missed it
2018-12-16T09:20:45 < dongs> rewinding
2018-12-16T09:20:50 < dongs> who's; the launcher
2018-12-16T09:20:57 < dongs> who teh fuck is rocket lab
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2018-12-16T09:22:02 < dongs> they need to work on focus
2018-12-16T09:22:05 < dongs> on rocket  cams
2018-12-16T09:22:08 < dongs> shits fuzzy as fuck
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2018-12-16T11:58:42 < Steffanx> Da da crt
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2018-12-16T13:05:49 < Thorn> Altium Disaster
2018-12-16T13:06:02 < invzim> anyone intimate with the UK way of doing mains power?
2018-12-16T13:06:28 < Thorn> shows unrouted net violations where there are obviously none
2018-12-16T13:07:37 < invzim> Thorn: try to reroute the nets in question and make sure the endpoints of the traces 'snap'?
2018-12-16T13:07:44 < invzim> think I've seen this
2018-12-16T13:08:13 < invzim> even if the copper clearly is continuous
2018-12-16T13:08:18 < Thorn> it's even more fun than that. the errors are in a pattern
2018-12-16T13:09:01 < Thorn> it has a center ground pad with 4 small "pads" sticking out of it
2018-12-16T13:09:46 < Thorn> I think these small things aren't sitting deep enough in the center pad
2018-12-16T13:10:39 < Steffanx> Pebkac it seems
2018-12-16T13:11:20 < Thorn> to make it even more hilarious, all of them are named pad 3, so every error message says "unrouted net between pad 3 and pad 3"
2018-12-16T13:13:58 < Thorn> quality Australian software
2018-12-16T13:15:28 < PeterM> maybe you should make your footprints so you dont name all pads pad 3?
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2018-12-16T13:25:02 < catphish> invzim: well i live there :) but not sure how well i know it :)
2018-12-16T13:26:11 < catphish> i know they push electrons down the wires, then pull then back again a few milliseconds later
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2018-12-16T13:31:25 < noob0s> Hey, I have been stuck on this for such a long time, can some one help me please. So im trying to get mbedtls running on a stm32f413. I have build the library and some functionalities are working but hashing doesnt seem to work
2018-12-16T13:31:43 < noob0s> when gdb the hash it prints bunch of garbage
2018-12-16T13:32:04 < noob0s> like this "\363\001\275ff\003\316\304\376\370!\257\312\021\370\201)\024\256Iq\217C\037\177Za\323k\213vB"
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2018-12-16T13:59:04 < jpa-> binary hash is binary
2018-12-16T14:00:08 < jpa-> looks like it is exactly 32 bytes, which is what one would expect for 256 bit hash
2018-12-16T14:00:15 < jpa-> too bad he didn't bother to wait for an answer
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2018-12-16T14:08:54 < Steffanx> Thank you jpa-
2018-12-16T14:09:49 < rajkosto> to make buck regulator be constant current instead of constant voltage all you do is change what is being fed back ?
2018-12-16T14:16:29 < Thorn> take your feedback from a series resistor. add current sense amp if required
2018-12-16T14:17:47 < rajkosto> wouldnt the voltage on the resistor always be Vused-Vsupplied
2018-12-16T14:17:55 < rajkosto> other way around*
2018-12-16T14:19:32 < Thorn> voltage drop across a shunt (R is small) ΔV = I * R
2018-12-16T14:21:25 < Thorn> http://www.electronicslab.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/LM3404.jpg
2018-12-16T14:21:26 < rajkosto> and only the diode/mosfet ratings matter if the input voltage is huge ?
2018-12-16T14:21:48 < rajkosto> i cant really find common boost converters that go higher than 60V
2018-12-16T14:21:54 < rajkosto> and i need like 100V constant current
2018-12-16T14:23:15 < Thorn> so which one do you need, buck or boost?
2018-12-16T14:23:28 < rajkosto> buck if i use huge rectified mains voltage as input
2018-12-16T14:23:50 < rajkosto> boost if i wanna get 12 or 12V to 100V
2018-12-16T14:23:55 < rajkosto> 24*
2018-12-16T14:24:40 < Thorn> googling for 100V led driver returns some buck ICs
2018-12-16T14:25:02 < rajkosto> ive found a cheap board that says it can do up to 88V
2018-12-16T14:25:08 < rajkosto> boosting from 12-24V
2018-12-16T14:25:17 < rajkosto> shame its not a little higher
2018-12-16T14:25:32 < Thorn> try flyback instead
2018-12-16T14:25:40 < Thorn> flyback can go up to kV
2018-12-16T14:25:49 < rajkosto> yeah but that needs custom transformer ?
2018-12-16T14:25:58 < Thorn> with right components of course
2018-12-16T14:26:00 < rajkosto> also whatever controller needs to have EN output that when goes to gnd immediately cuts off output
2018-12-16T14:26:49 < Thorn> there are some pre-made flyback transformers on aliexpress but it's probably best to calculate your own, buy core, wire etc. and make your own
2018-12-16T14:26:57 < rajkosto> oof
2018-12-16T14:27:09 < rajkosto> how would flyback work for current anyway
2018-12-16T14:29:13 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-16_13-29-04_eo0B9MGgj.png do you trust comic sans
2018-12-16T14:30:57 < rajkosto> (see no way of changing the output current on these, or interrupting the regulator)
2018-12-16T14:30:57 < Thorn> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/ucc28740.pdf claims constant current
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2018-12-16T14:45:25 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1072209484741795846
2018-12-16T14:45:46 < kakimir> englishman: https://puu.sh/CiuZ7/a7bd080a0e.jpg
2018-12-16T14:45:53 < kakimir> datacat
2018-12-16T14:46:09 < kakimir> datasniff
2018-12-16T14:48:37 < antto> https://i.imgur.com/XD47DfM.jpg moderatorcat
2018-12-16T14:49:36 < Thorn> dog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zcn0ywlj4Rg
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2018-12-16T14:58:00 < Steffanx> is that your cat kakimir ?
2018-12-16T14:59:34 < kakimir> no I stole it
2018-12-16T14:59:41 < kakimir> from #elsewhere
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2018-12-16T15:02:00 < Steffanx> you strike me as someone who stills has those floppys
2018-12-16T15:02:32 < kakimir> I have floppy drive now
2018-12-16T15:02:43 < kakimir> I think I have thrown away all the floppys
2018-12-16T15:02:55 < kakimir> my father still have a cabinet of floppys
2018-12-16T15:03:34 < Steffanx> ever found out what the ic was btw?
2018-12-16T15:03:49 < Steffanx> (going to ask you weekly until you know) :P
2018-12-16T15:04:19 < kakimir> I think today in train I will join eevforum
2018-12-16T15:04:25 < kakimir> and post
2018-12-16T15:11:09 < kakimir> ask again at around 18 UTC Steffanx 
2018-12-16T15:11:34 < kakimir> I will be in train by then
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2018-12-16T15:16:26 < Steffanx> ill forget.
2018-12-16T15:19:51 < kakimir> hastag me too
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2018-12-16T15:53:07 < Steffanx> ohno its alive
2018-12-16T15:56:42 < rajkosto> jlcpcb is 2$ for 10x10cm pcb really
2018-12-16T15:57:17 < rajkosto> oh shipping is huge
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2018-12-16T16:24:14 < catphish> i wouldn't say shipping was huge, but unfortunately at $2 it's certainly more than the product, worthwhile if you're combining though i'm sure
2018-12-16T16:28:20 < mawk> for the transit time it's cheap
2018-12-16T16:28:25 < mawk> $20 for 2-3 days from china is cheaop
2018-12-16T16:33:37 < rajkosto> its 8.9$ for normal registered mail
2018-12-16T16:35:12 < catphish> indeed
2018-12-16T16:37:48 < Laurenceb_12> ricardo.gif
2018-12-16T16:38:55 < rajkosto> they seem to do v-cut for free though
2018-12-16T16:39:00 < rajkosto> if you choose "panel by jlpcb"
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2018-12-16T16:42:54 < Laurenceb_12> lel Tony Blair wants to cancel Brexit
2018-12-16T16:45:03 < Steffanx> What do you want Laurenceb_12 ?
2018-12-16T16:46:10 < Laurenceb_12> hard Brexit tbh
2018-12-16T16:46:10 < mawk> blair is still doing politics Laurenceb_12 ?
2018-12-16T16:46:27 < Laurenceb_12> mawk: yeah after he destroyed Iraq
2018-12-16T16:46:49 < Steffanx> hard brexit = brexit without a deal?
2018-12-16T16:47:24 < catphish> Steffanx: that would be the hardest, it's a scale
2018-12-16T16:47:38 < Laurenceb_12> Steffanx: yeah
2018-12-16T16:49:33 < Laurenceb_12> whats Brown and sticky?
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2018-12-16T16:50:27 < Laurenceb_12> ^Autism test
2018-12-16T16:50:57 < mawk> how can he do it again Laurenceb_12 
2018-12-16T16:51:03 < mawk> his public image isn't destroyed ?
2018-12-16T16:51:15 < mawk> our might Hollande has a totally destroyed image, he will never ever return to politics
2018-12-16T16:51:21 < mawk> it has been true for almost every former president
2018-12-16T16:51:28 < mawk> they're publicly dead
2018-12-16T16:51:42 < mawk> so when you're a former PM and you started a shit war you must be doubly dead
2018-12-16T16:51:47 < Laurenceb_12> Blair probably thinks he can win favours from the remain protesters
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2018-12-16T16:57:05 < mawk> he should get a golden retreat in counseling or law or something, like our former presidents
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2018-12-16T19:21:14 < rajkosto> how do i cheaply make 600mm long but only 4mm wide pcbs
2018-12-16T19:22:52 < catphish> that sounds mechanically unwise
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2018-12-16T19:24:57 < catphish> rajkosto: allpcb are happy to quote for such boards https://i.imgur.com/VRAC3zx.png
2018-12-16T19:25:54 < rajkosto> i cut it into < 10cm pieces so i can get for 2$ but then i have to solder them all together and make sure its all aligned while doing so (13pcs in length)
2018-12-16T19:25:56 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-16_18-24-50_rLaSIrLHh.png
2018-12-16T19:26:56 < catphish> even cheaper if you penalize them
2018-12-16T19:27:35 < catphish> https://i.imgur.com/3iQF2h8.png
2018-12-16T19:27:36 < rajkosto> yes automatic panelization so i get v-scoring
2018-12-16T19:27:53 < rajkosto> allpcb is the most expensive of the ones ive tried lol
2018-12-16T19:28:13 < rajkosto> aluminum backed is single layer board only ?
2018-12-16T19:28:32 < catphish> no idea, never ordered such a thing
2018-12-16T19:28:51 < Steffanx> Anyone knows about a more proper crimper to crip this stuff: https://nl.farnell.com/multicomp/2226tg/crimp-terminal-24-28awg/dp/1593529 Im kinda done with the cheap skate china tool.
2018-12-16T19:31:26 < Steffanx> although, i guess that means the tool will be > 200 dollar/euro
2018-12-16T19:46:29 < qyx> have you checked samtec?
2018-12-16T19:46:36 < Steffanx> scamtec?
2018-12-16T19:46:38 < Steffanx> meh
2018-12-16T19:46:55 < qyx> rajkosto: what is it going to be?
2018-12-16T19:47:19 < qyx> is it that 950V LED electrocuting tool?
2018-12-16T19:47:29 < rajkosto> its only 100V electrocuting now
2018-12-16T19:47:48 < rajkosto> using less 7020 leds than many many 3014 leds
2018-12-16T19:48:44 < rajkosto> the 3014 strip would be so much more even though
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2018-12-16T20:08:53 < rajkosto> crimp tools are always super expensive
2018-12-16T20:09:01 < rajkosto> and they usually only work for one thing
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2018-12-16T20:11:55 < Steffanx> i disagree.
2018-12-16T20:12:25 < Steffanx> the 10 dollar tool is too simplistic.
2018-12-16T20:22:02 < Steffanx> i dont care about your "i can google". Was more intererested in someone with experience with some tools.
2018-12-16T20:22:49 < rajkosto> qyx, i have 720V AC CCFL drivers that after rectification could give me the death voltage for the 3014 (and they also would probably limit it to 7.4ma as thats what is checked on the pcb)
2018-12-16T20:25:47 < rajkosto> but i have no idea how to control those and if their safety features would even let them drive the leds
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2018-12-16T20:29:40 < Steffanx> Sorry Cracki. I shouldn't "hate" so much.
2018-12-16T20:34:28 < Steffanx> It has to come back sooner or later.
2018-12-16T20:35:41 < rajkosto> its a hyperloop
2018-12-16T20:35:57 < Steffanx> Ah damn. Doomed.
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2018-12-16T21:04:58 < qyx> Steffanx: we bought 600e harting crimping tool at work
2018-12-16T21:05:01 < qyx> it was awesome
2018-12-16T21:05:42 < Steffanx> :P
2018-12-16T21:09:35 < Steffanx> Was it better than the 13 dollar tool qyx ?
2018-12-16T21:10:14 < qyx> idk, we didn't have any other for crimping d-sub contacts
2018-12-16T21:10:19 < qyx> but mechanically yes
2018-12-16T21:11:00 < qyx> also it was able to crimp in mil-std quality!
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2018-12-16T22:11:47 < Laurenceb_12> just use solder 
2018-12-16T22:11:53  * Laurenceb_12 ebil laugh
2018-12-16T22:13:54 < Steffanx> ty Laurenceb_12
2018-12-16T22:14:15 < Steffanx> Hows the process communication going?
2018-12-16T22:14:53 < Laurenceb_12> it works, using debug build for it
2018-12-16T22:15:15 < Laurenceb_12> on to ODB2 interface
2018-12-16T22:15:30 < Laurenceb_12> then I have to add RS485 O_o
2018-12-16T22:16:22 < Steffanx> odb2 as in, just getting a cheap arse elm327 and use some lunix tool to talk to it?
2018-12-16T22:17:24 < Laurenceb_12> nah a freematics esp32 thing
2018-12-16T22:17:37 < Laurenceb_12> I'm not going to touch the tarduino code... it seems to work atm
2018-12-16T22:18:56 < Laurenceb_12> Qt bluetooth code make bluetooth usable on lunix, I'm impressed
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2018-12-16T22:52:39 < Laurenceb_12> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=45824.740
2018-12-16T22:52:40 < Laurenceb_12> wow
2018-12-16T22:52:44 < Laurenceb_12> they are still at it
2018-12-16T22:55:51 < Laurenceb_12> oh wow http://www.emdrive.com/thrustvload.pdf
2018-12-16T22:56:56 < Laurenceb_12> >The word “prove” is itself subjective, and yet does tend toward an more rigid interpretation
2018-12-16T22:59:01 < Laurenceb_12> stop oppressing me with your social construct of "proof"
2018-12-16T23:16:54 < Laurenceb_12> I got busted https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2018/11/13/teenager-arrested-for-driving-fake-ambulance/
2018-12-16T23:18:50 < kakimir> uk.exe
2018-12-16T23:19:19 < kakimir> fake ambulances are a thing
2018-12-16T23:21:47 < kakimir> laurenceb has one
2018-12-16T23:23:29 < Laurenceb_12> ikr
2018-12-16T23:26:36 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_12 ambulance: https://www.flickr.com/photos/135115250@N07/26598476221/in/photostream/
2018-12-16T23:26:41 < Steffanx> +'s
2018-12-16T23:27:22 < Steffanx> although i think this corsa is a bit too recent
2018-12-16T23:38:23 < Steffanx> do i need to feel sorry for your kid crt ?
2018-12-16T23:38:32 < Steffanx> Will he be ok?
2018-12-16T23:45:17  * qyx running duktape on F411
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2018-12-16T23:46:35 < qyx> SRAM needed to compute 1+2 30K
2018-12-16T23:46:44 < qyx> and ~110K code size
2018-12-16T23:52:40 < Steffanx> The javascript stuff?
2018-12-16T23:53:35 < qyx> yes
--- Day changed Mon Dec 17 2018
2018-12-17T00:18:35 < Steffanx> Why?
2018-12-17T00:19:00 < Steffanx> "because i can"?
2018-12-17T00:20:02 < rajkosto> what about the micropython stuff
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2018-12-17T00:45:23 < kakimir> you could fly to space with 30K of sram
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2018-12-17T00:49:32 < qyx> i don't like micropython's implementation
2018-12-17T00:49:58 < qyx> it wants to be a full featured env with HAL and stuff
2018-12-17T00:50:30 < qyx> I just need an easily embeddable interpreter
2018-12-17T00:52:30 < qyx> maybe I got it wrong
2018-12-17T00:59:10 < jadew> javascript seems like an awkward choice for an embeded scripting language
2018-12-17T00:59:47 < jadew> (because of the memory stuff)
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2018-12-17T01:00:02 < kakimir> when you need to go full gay
2018-12-17T01:00:02 < jadew> can do a bit too much
2018-12-17T01:01:18 < jadew> what movies have you seen lately?
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2018-12-17T01:09:23 < kakimir> First Man
2018-12-17T01:09:32 < kakimir> I recommend
2018-12-17T01:10:21 < jadew> thanks, I'll check them out
2018-12-17T01:12:40 < jadew> none of them are on netflix, so that's a good sign, they must be good
2018-12-17T01:13:34 < jadew> I'll give it another try
2018-12-17T01:13:41 < jadew> ah, neat
2018-12-17T01:13:51 < jadew> I don't know why I didn't get past the first episode the first time around
2018-12-17T01:15:30 < jadew> watching it now
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2018-12-17T01:47:13 < karlp> qyx: did you look at https://github.com/jerryscript-project/jerryscript as well?
2018-12-17T01:47:20 < karlp> were you using elua in teh past?
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2018-12-17T02:03:41 < Laurenceb_12> https://postimg.cc/MXPVzVrL
2018-12-17T02:03:42 < Laurenceb_12> tfw
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2018-12-17T02:32:01 < antto> dafuq is this?
2018-12-17T02:32:24 < antto> sick building syndrome hell?
2018-12-17T02:35:29 < antto> kek man?
2018-12-17T02:36:49 < antto> these super-hero movies are getting dumber and dumber
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2018-12-17T03:13:05 < jadew> Cracki, saw ant-man and the wasp and yeah it was nice
2018-12-17T03:13:43 < jadew> and that photo with the buildings... damn
2018-12-17T03:14:48 < jadew> looks like hell
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2018-12-17T05:20:47 < johntramp> would you expect that sampling a gyroscope at increasing rates would significantly increase the noise levels in the data?
2018-12-17T05:28:16 < johntramp> by increasing from 3khz to 6khz I am seeing noise increase from +/-18dps to +/-60dps 
2018-12-17T05:28:40 < johntramp> https://www.st.com/en/mems-and-sensors/lsm6dsm.html  using this part here
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2018-12-17T06:49:03 < dongs> wow room copy in altidumb disaster is retarded
2018-12-17T06:49:08 < dongs> it doesnt keep room orientation
2018-12-17T06:49:10 < dongs> and
2018-12-17T06:49:25 < dongs> it takes with it shit thats in room but not part of that class etc AND locked
2018-12-17T06:49:32 < dongs> and still moves it during roomcopy
2018-12-17T06:49:34 < dongs> fucking trash
2018-12-17T06:51:34 < dongs> and overlapping rooms, fuck you
2018-12-17T06:51:41 < dongs> DONT MOVE SHIT THAT BELONGS TO OTHER ROOM
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2018-12-17T08:38:48 < qyx> karlp: yeah I know jerryscript, it is even bigger and only a single global instance
2018-12-17T08:39:46 < qyx> and I did use lua at school, not eLua though
2018-12-17T08:40:52 < qyx> and it is a "full featured" environment too, not just an easdily embeddable interpreter
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2018-12-17T09:31:32 < Thorn> 0 Violations (0 Highlighted)
2018-12-17T09:35:32 < Thorn> do you like my board https://i.imgur.com/GM4Kk1M.png
2018-12-17T09:48:41 < Thorn> 0% stm32 there
2018-12-17T09:51:08 < qyx> stm32, mercury and cadmium free
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2018-12-17T09:58:12 < PeterM> is your board known to the state of california to cause cancer?
2018-12-17T09:58:26 < PeterM> i mean, it is a product of ##stm32, it cant be helped...
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2018-12-17T10:24:55 < Ecco> Hi :)
2018-12-17T10:25:01 < Ecco> I'm looking at a sample schematics from ST
2018-12-17T10:25:14 < Ecco> They hook a cap-to-gnd + pull-up on NRST
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2018-12-17T10:25:17 < Ecco> Why?
2018-12-17T10:26:14 < Ecco> :_D
2018-12-17T10:26:43 < Ecco> wat? nrst should be pull up…
2018-12-17T10:30:40 < zygron_> Ecco: it's a simple RC circuit to do a power up reset, it keeps the MCU from starting until the the capacitor is charged, the charge delay is based on the RC constant, it's a simple circuit to ensure the CPU doesn't start until the power supply voltage has settled out
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2018-12-17T10:31:52 < mitrax> crt: hi sir
2018-12-17T10:33:08 < mitrax> i am :/
2018-12-17T10:33:49 < mitrax> crt: that's my shed
2018-12-17T10:34:22 < Ecco> zyp: oh, super interesting
2018-12-17T10:34:40 < Ecco> is it actually needed or is it some form of cargo cult?
2018-12-17T10:34:46 < zyp> wrong person
2018-12-17T10:34:50 < Ecco> huh, I meant zygron :)
2018-12-17T10:35:01 < zyp> but no, you don't need it
2018-12-17T10:35:36 < zyp> there's an internal power reset thing that does the job
2018-12-17T10:37:27 < zyp> crt, dunno, I think I posted these already: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/IMXpZ.jpg https://bin.jvnv.net/file/KhSMN.jpg https://bin.jvnv.net/file/60jwm.jpg
2018-12-17T10:41:08 < Thorn> crt wants to move in?
2018-12-17T10:43:12 < Thorn> https://www.chipdip.ru/product/vanilin
2018-12-17T10:44:17 < Thorn> "lightweight" taken literally
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2018-12-17T10:58:32 < PeterM> maybe they meant open hardware as in it is opened with holes
2018-12-17T11:00:43 < PeterM> what is this goddamn wee-boo bullshit
2018-12-17T11:01:04 < PeterM> also hi curt
2018-12-17T11:19:39 < kakimir> hey guise
2018-12-17T11:19:49 < kakimir> I need precision voltage source to my test jig
2018-12-17T11:19:59 < kakimir> recommend a voltage reference
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2018-12-17T11:20:50 < kakimir> good accuracy, easy to use
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2018-12-17T11:48:00 < dongs> knoiwing thorn its probly STM8
2018-12-17T11:48:15 < Thorn> lpc824
2018-12-17T11:52:12 < jadew> kakimir, one of those ebay voltage references?
2018-12-17T11:52:57 < jadew> you can always make one
2018-12-17T11:57:51 < PeterM> lm399
2018-12-17T11:58:05 < Thorn> ltz1000
2018-12-17T11:58:31 < jadew> problem with lm399 is that it's not accurate
2018-12-17T11:58:32 < PeterM> 2dw232
2018-12-17T11:58:34 < jadew> it's just stable
2018-12-17T11:58:58 < jadew> there are some references that are also accurate
2018-12-17T11:59:05 < PeterM> its accurate enough
2018-12-17T11:59:09 < jadew> ltz1000 suffers from the same issue I think
2018-12-17T11:59:21 < jadew> PeterM, not as accurate as you'd think
2018-12-17T11:59:31 < jadew> it's actually way off from the nominal value
2018-12-17T11:59:50 < jadew> (I made a reference using it)
2018-12-17T12:00:23 < jadew> mine is above 7V
2018-12-17T12:00:48 < jadew> about 7.027004
2018-12-17T12:00:58 < jadew> (what I wrote on the box)
2018-12-17T12:02:16 < kakimir> I need 2.5volts
2018-12-17T12:02:26 < jadew> how precise?
2018-12-17T12:02:28 < qyx> which is only 1.1% off, the datasheet says 2% initial tolerance
2018-12-17T12:02:59 < kakimir> jadew: initial accuracy under 0.1% lets say
2018-12-17T12:03:04 < jadew> qyx, yeah, but that's not that great, and kakimir didn't really specify his required accuracy anyway
2018-12-17T12:03:10 < jadew> see, it wouldn't do it
2018-12-17T12:03:50 < qyx> kakimir: adr361b for example?
2018-12-17T12:03:56 < qyx> I used this one
2018-12-17T12:04:06 < qyx> although much worse ppm/C than lm399
2018-12-17T12:04:15 < qyx> it is accurate to 3mV/2.5V
2018-12-17T12:05:03 < kakimir> 9ppm/C is not that bad
2018-12-17T12:05:10 < PeterM> 2dw232
2018-12-17T12:06:22 < qyx> is it china made?
2018-12-17T12:06:39 < jadew> possibly, it's difficult to find a datasheet for it
2018-12-17T12:06:49 < qyx> yeah
2018-12-17T12:06:52 < qyx> I am trying to do that
2018-12-17T12:07:00 < qyx> but I found REF5025 instead
2018-12-17T12:07:12 < jadew> me too
2018-12-17T12:07:20 < qyx> 0.05% and 3ppm/C
2018-12-17T12:08:52 < kakimir> ref5025 is the winner
2018-12-17T12:22:43 < PeterM> for some reason i have a bag of 2dw232s that i know are decent, and by bag i mean, probably 2000
2018-12-17T12:23:36 < PeterM> its initial accuracy is pretty average, about the same as a ltz1000
2018-12-17T12:26:33 < PeterM> tempco is OK, 5-10ppm/c, ageing is reasonably significant, but you can accelerate the aging, noise is very very good
2018-12-17T12:28:45 < karlp> by deliberately accelerating aging, is that because it flattens out after a certain "age" ?
2018-12-17T12:29:01 < Thorn> >zener soup
2018-12-17T12:29:57 < PeterM> pretty much
2018-12-17T12:29:59 < karlp> qyx: fair enough, just remember watching a video on jerryscript at some point, was curious abotu the comparison.
2018-12-17T12:30:13 < karlp> who was using elua here then commerically? mitrax maybe?
2018-12-17T12:30:16 < Thorn> >My bet is they simply relabelled old stock transistors and sold them. Try them for gain, it might be a Germanium PNP transistor
2018-12-17T12:30:17 < PeterM> it falls into the flat part of the bathtub curve
2018-12-17T12:30:19 < Thorn> lol
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2018-12-17T12:36:48 < c10ud> is there a quick way to port old (3) cmsis defines to new (5?)?
2018-12-17T12:37:02 < c10ud> fml
2018-12-17T12:37:36 < karlp> PeterM: does that help with accuracy/stablikty? I'm only used to thinkinf of baththub curves for failures.
2018-12-17T12:39:20 < qyx> karlp: I would like to find a project without any dependencies, target-specific code or libraries
2018-12-17T12:39:53 < qyx> something like i = interpreter_create(); i.function("print", print); i.run("print(5)"); i.destroy()
2018-12-17T12:40:07 < PeterM> yeah, it does, because you have initial "run in" stability and end of life "wear out" stability, both which are poor
2018-12-17T12:40:42 < PeterM> i think its because of the stresses in the silicon die or something, so the thermal cycling relieves them or something liket hat
2018-12-17T12:51:25 < karlp> qyx: where do you want to get the js from?
2018-12-17T12:51:30 < karlp> PeterM: thanks
2018-12-17T12:53:22 < qyx> from a flash file system, optionally memory mapped to do xip
2018-12-17T12:53:57 < qyx> if not bytecode compiled
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2018-12-17T13:16:18 < jpa-> qyx: pawn is ok for simple stuff; it's about 17kB of flash and can run with like ~4kB RAM
2018-12-17T13:16:51 < Steffann> Why superbia? Why you read those docs? Youre a programmer
2018-12-17T13:16:55 < Steffann> Code money.
2018-12-17T13:17:32 < jpa-> qyx: pawn is also easy to program in and relatively good error messages when code crashes; but quite limited language
2018-12-17T13:20:37 < Steffann> Crt = superbia confirmed
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2018-12-17T13:21:14 < Steffann> Try r/pumper on reddit superbia 
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2018-12-17T13:22:32 < Thorn> what is this http://rhomb.io/
2018-12-17T13:25:12 < zyp> dumb.io
2018-12-17T13:26:41 < zyp> hmm, actually
2018-12-17T13:27:13 < zyp> seeing how they have five interchangeable core boards with various chips it doesn't seem all that pointless anymore
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2018-12-17T13:33:08 < kakimir> how would I add data points to serial output for easy extraction?
2018-12-17T13:33:32 < kakimir> I can print them all once
2018-12-17T13:34:21 < jpa-> i usually do    printf("LOLOLOL: %d %d\n", x, y);  and grep the output fro LOLOLOL => instant success
2018-12-17T13:34:51 < kakimir> what if I have thousands of those lines
2018-12-17T13:35:05 < kakimir> every line is basically a line of CSV
2018-12-17T13:35:14 < jpa-> yeah.. so treat it like CSV?
2018-12-17T13:35:16 < kakimir> then I want to make one CSV file out of them
2018-12-17T13:35:28 < kakimir> but there is all sorts of mess between them
2018-12-17T13:35:30 < jpa-> grep LOLOLOL /dev/ttyACM0 > mycsv.csv
2018-12-17T13:35:52 < kakimir> okay
2018-12-17T13:48:39 < zyp> Thorn, design doesn't seem all that awful either, every module socket gets usb
2018-12-17T13:48:51 < zyp> on the other hand, ethernet is provided by a LAN9514
2018-12-17T13:49:45 < zyp> hmm
2018-12-17T13:50:14 < zyp> actually, they have RGMII on the module connectors, it's just the board I'm looking at that doesn't utilize it
2018-12-17T13:53:59 < karlp> problem with this things is expense for production, so it's totally fine for niche market, low volume high margin stuff I guess.
2018-12-17T14:12:01 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzOU45p2keY
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2018-12-17T14:12:56 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-17_13-12-07_NNaEOMyoL.jpg yo is this a fake chip
2018-12-17T14:17:18 < PeterM> superbia i often use them for isolated feedback for hv smps, 10/10
2018-12-17T14:17:31 < PeterM> the silabs digital isolators
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2018-12-17T14:22:56 < rajkosto> how can you tell its fake, the top isnt aligned to the bottom
2018-12-17T14:27:33 < Laurenceb> I think u need to reflow that
2018-12-17T14:27:43 < Laurenceb> is that unmelted solder paste everywhere?
2018-12-17T14:28:19 < PeterM> the fuck is wrong with the pins on it
2018-12-17T14:28:31 < PeterM> they look like ass where they meet the package
2018-12-17T14:28:35 < Laurenceb> looks like perman00b solder pasting
2018-12-17T14:29:07 < rajkosto> im asking because the other stm32 i have look completely different
2018-12-17T14:29:26 < Laurenceb> looks legit to me
2018-12-17T14:29:35 < Laurenceb> they have different factories
2018-12-17T14:30:47 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-17_13-30-44_VRs4fYbjM.jpg
2018-12-17T14:31:13 < kakimir> what do you think about MPC508A 
2018-12-17T14:31:15 < Laurenceb> insert Jordan Peterson joke here
2018-12-17T14:31:24 < Laurenceb> CLEAN UR PCB
2018-12-17T14:31:38 < kakimir> nice price of 7euros
2018-12-17T14:31:45 < kakimir> it must be what I need
2018-12-17T14:33:07 < Thorn> a 7 euro analog mux? then your opamps must be $30 and the adc $650
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2018-12-17T14:34:56 < rajkosto> another legit one https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-17_13-34-49_xNx0fWLB0.jpg
2018-12-17T14:35:03 < rajkosto> either the smallest package is just the worst or its a fake
2018-12-17T14:35:35 < PeterM> question: does it work
2018-12-17T14:36:29 < kakimir> I think I'll want MUX36S08IPWR
2018-12-17T14:38:10 < kakimir> fu it needs +10V single supply
2018-12-17T14:41:55 < kakimir> all this good stuff needs proper supplies
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2018-12-17T15:24:37 < rajkosto> i have no idea where pin 1 is on this ST eeprom
2018-12-17T15:25:27 < kakimir> recommend a counter IC that can count to 8
2018-12-17T15:26:33 < kakimir> okay I need to go with 4bits
2018-12-17T15:28:12 < jpa-> hmh, STM32F0 forces the wakeup pins to have pull-down resistor enabled
2018-12-17T15:28:35 < jpa-> i guess i have to play with some series capacitor or something to avoid it drawing 70µA standby current when input signal is high
2018-12-17T15:53:18 < qyx> kakimir: what do you want analol mux for
2018-12-17T15:53:34 < kakimir> ATO testing equipment
2018-12-17T15:54:24 < qyx> proper tools use reed relays
2018-12-17T15:56:00 < qyx> see https://www.pickeringtest.com/products/pci
2018-12-17T16:13:24 < kakimir> babbys first voltage trippler
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2018-12-17T16:15:21 < kakimir> raise your hand if you have done charge pumppin
2018-12-17T16:15:57 < PeterM> *raises hand* gate drive is a cunt
2018-12-17T16:16:56 < kakimir> what is difference between asynchronous and syncronous binary counters PeterM?
2018-12-17T16:16:58 < PeterM> that is, if you're working with voltages about vgs max
2018-12-17T16:18:59 < kakimir> oh outputs change in sync
2018-12-17T16:19:07 < kakimir> not like howyoudoing
2018-12-17T16:19:10 < PeterM> sorta, theyy're clocked along
2018-12-17T16:19:20 < PeterM> they only change when they are clocked
2018-12-17T16:19:31 < PeterM> but async is free running with input change
2018-12-17T16:19:49 < kakimir> ?
2018-12-17T16:20:09 < kakimir> tell it to like 5year old
2018-12-17T16:20:21 < kakimir> *like to 5year old
2018-12-17T16:21:17 < kakimir> I need to count low pulses
2018-12-17T16:21:29 < kakimir> I want counter ic to control mux inputs
2018-12-17T16:21:45 < kakimir> mux value is not used when incrementing value
2018-12-17T16:21:56 < kakimir> *incrementing mux position
2018-12-17T16:23:14 < PeterM> you want a syncronous counter in that case
2018-12-17T16:23:33 < kakimir> thanks
2018-12-17T16:23:34 < PeterM> async counters are basically jsut stacked freq dividers
2018-12-17T16:24:11 < kakimir> what logic value was the shit nowdays?
2018-12-17T16:24:19 < kakimir> logic family
2018-12-17T16:24:39 < kakimir> I'm rambling and it's not even 5PM yet
2018-12-17T16:25:26 < qyx> do you really want to glue logic ics together?
2018-12-17T16:25:36 < kakimir> LVC was modern shiet
2018-12-17T16:25:39 < kakimir> iirc
2018-12-17T16:26:18 < PeterM> dunno, i try to avoid most 74 stuff
2018-12-17T16:26:42 < kakimir> mee too it sounds old
2018-12-17T16:26:55 < kakimir> LVC was 3.3V operation then..
2018-12-17T16:28:02 < kakimir> interesting fact about my production tester: it has 0 lines of code
2018-12-17T16:28:09 < kakimir> all is done in target
2018-12-17T16:32:13 < kakimir> G series logic - Toggle Speed 1125Mhz
2018-12-17T16:32:22 < kakimir> introduced 2004
2018-12-17T16:32:32 < PeterM> are they from potato semi?
2018-12-17T16:32:37 < kakimir> probs
2018-12-17T16:32:41 < kakimir> reading wiki
2018-12-17T16:32:51 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_family#Monolithic_integrated_circuit_logic_families_compared
2018-12-17T16:32:53 < PeterM> not even joking
2018-12-17T16:33:16 < karlp> heh, I'd forogtten about those guys :)
2018-12-17T16:33:22 < PeterM> http://www.potatosemi.com/
2018-12-17T16:34:03 < karlp> given the part numbers, yeah, looks like potato class.
2018-12-17T16:36:51 < kakimir> so funky idea to do gigahertz logics
2018-12-17T16:37:24 < qyx> finally you can assemble your own xeon
2018-12-17T16:38:21 < fenugrec> how serious is potatosemi actually ? seems you can actually buy their products
2018-12-17T16:39:35 < PeterM> i dunno, but they've been around for a long time, atleast since 2004
2018-12-17T16:39:38 < kakimir> ACT it is
2018-12-17T16:40:20 < kakimir> I wonder who buys their chips to serious projects
2018-12-17T16:40:21 < Laurenceb> looks like a troll name
2018-12-17T16:41:03 < PeterM> people who want to make ghz binary counters
2018-12-17T16:41:15 < PeterM> from ghz flip flops
2018-12-17T16:41:28 < kakimir> should I use DIP packages in production tester
2018-12-17T16:41:37 < qyx> and not sing a single line of vhdl
2018-12-17T16:41:50 < qyx> using
2018-12-17T16:41:58 < Thorn> if you need GHz logic why not use PECL
2018-12-17T16:43:49 < fenugrec> googledrive to their main office is hilarious
2018-12-17T16:44:08 < fenugrec> yeah
2018-12-17T16:44:42 < fenugrec> well they might<ve been landscaping at that time, but the halfpainted celica is nice
2018-12-17T16:45:46 < Laurenceb> potatoe car
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2018-12-17T16:46:09 < Laurenceb> https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/251443-i-can-count-to-potato
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2018-12-17T16:46:53 < chipant> Is there any open source non-os modbus master stack available ?
2018-12-17T16:48:10 < karlp> you can / should be able to stub the "os" calls that libmodbus makes without much difficulty
2018-12-17T16:48:37 < karlp> non-operating system, library only without the assumption of syscalls like read/write/open doing things.
2018-12-17T16:48:46 < karlp> there's modbusino, 
2018-12-17T16:48:59 < karlp> does freemodbus not have master code? I've never looked.
2018-12-17T16:50:11 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvUU8joBb1Q
2018-12-17T16:50:35 < kakimir> I thought about line regulating voltage reference
2018-12-17T16:50:46 < kakimir> filtering line somehow
2018-12-17T16:50:50 < chipant> freemodbus does not have for master. 
2018-12-17T16:51:13 < kakimir> but hey it's 0.1ppm/V typical
2018-12-17T16:51:46 < karlp> I'd try stubbing out libmodbus first honestly,
2018-12-17T16:52:01 < karlp> nuttx might hve master mode, but it's kinda an os :)
2018-12-17T16:52:15 < karlp> (I'd also question what you're doing to want master mode without an os)
2018-12-17T16:53:55 < chipant> karlp, initially I am just looking for a bare metal master stack and thinking to make use of timers instead of OS.
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2018-12-17T16:57:38 < chipant> karlp, I seem to move forward with the same idea at this point. I have used freemodbus slave for a slave device and I was obsessed with freemodbus master. I had found a third party software added master support which had a lot of RTT os calls all around. 
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2018-12-17T17:00:16 < karlp> ya, freemodbus forks are everywhere.
2018-12-17T17:00:27 < karlp> no-one's prepared to say, "give me your patches, I'll try and pull them all together again"
2018-12-17T17:03:43 < chipant> Yes I understand, thank you karlp :) 
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2018-12-17T17:13:54 < bitmask> come on DHL
2018-12-17T17:14:24 < jpa-> can't i come by ryanair instead?
2018-12-17T17:14:43 < bitmask> no
2018-12-17T17:14:48 < jpa-> :/
2018-12-17T17:14:51  * jpa- gets into the box
2018-12-17T17:14:56 < bitmask> :)
2018-12-17T17:15:07 < bitmask> excited, can't wait to try these boards
2018-12-17T17:15:30  * karlp has boards, but not all the parts :)
2018-12-17T17:15:52 < bitmask> I need to finalize the case and get it printed
2018-12-17T17:16:07 < bitmask> I dont like how it snaps together yet
2018-12-17T17:17:16  * qyx has boards and waiting for mouser
2018-12-17T17:17:34 < bitmask> well aren't you guys lucky... :P
2018-12-17T17:17:51  * jpa- has everything except battery
2018-12-17T17:18:09 < bitmask> I really hope I didnt screw these boards up, they aren't complicated but I didn't really know what I was doing for my first time
2018-12-17T17:18:51 < bitmask> I have batteries but not enough, I want to double the capacity
2018-12-17T17:19:52 < bitmask> I have 3s3p but I think one of the series packs isn't good
2018-12-17T17:20:21 < bitmask> not only does it mix battery capacities/brand but one of the batteries I think is kinda bad and doesn't hold a charge
2018-12-17T17:20:40 < bitmask> so I should stick with the two good ones
2018-12-17T17:22:38 < bitmask> heh
2018-12-17T17:23:40 < fenugrec> I don't think I can build an uglier EEPROM programmer than this http://imgbin.ca/view-image/d59dbde9df68c29e06e7eb3572cdba11.jpg . bonus ; stm32-based, opensauce and everything ! "handles" 5V parts by using 5V-tolerant pins !
2018-12-17T17:24:21 < mawk> doesn't eeprom need 30V or something ?
2018-12-17T17:24:25 < mawk> or it's the old ones maybe
2018-12-17T17:24:33 < mawk> or the non-rewritable ones
2018-12-17T17:24:57 < fenugrec> yeah, newer 28C* is the modern kind of EEPROM, LV-programmable. Just a 10ms write cycle per page
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2018-12-17T17:33:47 < fenugrec> wish they made the top header pins on those stmdisco boards stick out a bit more. Regular header sockets like that barely have enough to hold on
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2018-12-17T17:49:32  * karlp guesses retroputing shitz
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2018-12-17T18:01:18 < rajkosto> i mean the stm32 chip works but how do you know its real and not a clone
2018-12-17T18:01:37 < zyp> how real do you need it to be?
2018-12-17T18:01:49 < rajkosto> exactly the same pwm waveforms as the real ones
2018-12-17T18:02:13 < rajkosto> jtag semihosting fully works as usual so the jtag device id is proper
2018-12-17T18:02:43 < zyp> jpa-, to be fair, I dislike ryanair more than DHL
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2018-12-17T18:06:45 < fenugrec> Cracki, haxing my hp3478a firmware
2018-12-17T18:09:50 < fenugrec> so yeah, "retroputing shitz" sortof applies
2018-12-17T18:11:59 < Ecco> Hi :)
2018-12-17T18:12:10 < Ecco> I'm looking at a CLK signal for an external flash
2018-12-17T18:12:21 < Ecco> at 48 MHz, it starts to look like a sine wave
2018-12-17T18:12:32 < Ecco> and at 96MHz, unsurprisingly, the flash just doesn't work
2018-12-17T18:12:40 < Ecco> what can cause the signal to be degraded?
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2018-12-17T18:17:52 < karlp> termination on the lines
2018-12-17T18:17:58 < karlp> even probing them will have an impact.
2018-12-17T18:18:25 < Ecco> hmm, I don't understand
2018-12-17T18:18:42 < karlp> then just turnt he clock down and move on with your day.
2018-12-17T18:18:43 < Ecco> You mean sampling them with the scope is what gives the poor result
2018-12-17T18:18:55 < Ecco> yeah, but I'd really like to run the flash full speed
2018-12-17T18:19:06 < Ecco> and also to understand what's going on :)
2018-12-17T18:19:07 < qyx> whats the bandwidth of your scope?
2018-12-17T18:19:13 < Ecco> good question
2018-12-17T18:19:44 < qyx> also, CLK FROM the flash?
2018-12-17T18:19:53 < Ecco> 100 MHz
2018-12-17T18:20:02 < Ecco> qyx, right, to the flash :)
2018-12-17T18:20:42 < qyx> the scope is one part of the problem as karlp says
2018-12-17T18:21:32 < qyx> if stm32 is driving the line, check OSPEEDR
2018-12-17T18:23:32 < qyx> where did I see that FROM btw?
2018-12-17T18:23:52 < kakimir> how do color codes work in serial communication like in putty? what to google for?
2018-12-17T18:24:02 < qyx> ansi color codes
2018-12-17T18:24:48 < karlp> hrm, I thought we had a falstad link to poorly termianted probe lines.
2018-12-17T18:24:50 < karlp> can't find it.
2018-12-17T18:25:12 < kakimir> qyx: it works the same in serial communications as in ssh terminal?
2018-12-17T18:25:25 < qyx> it depends on the terminal, not the trnsport used
2018-12-17T18:25:30 < kakimir> yes
2018-12-17T18:25:34 < kakimir> putty.exe is fine
2018-12-17T18:26:01 < qyx> so try and see
2018-12-17T18:26:17 < qyx> in xfce4-terminal, it works fine
2018-12-17T18:28:45 < kakimir> can I get sound using escape sequences :)
2018-12-17T18:29:15 < kakimir> like beeppers and stuff
2018-12-17T18:29:20 < qyx> there is a bell characters
2018-12-17T18:29:23 < qyx> -s
2018-12-17T18:29:36 < kakimir> does those make sounds :o ?
2018-12-17T18:30:22 < kakimir> very nice
2018-12-17T18:31:28 < kakimir> wow I can have blinking text too
2018-12-17T18:34:42 < kakimir> no
2018-12-17T18:35:12 < kakimir> this is not an interactive interface
2018-12-17T18:36:39 < kakimir> interesting that I can get even blinking colored texts
2018-12-17T18:36:54 < kakimir> I can get that big red cross blinking
2018-12-17T18:37:13 < kakimir> they said it's important for failure to blink red
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2018-12-17T18:38:37 < karlp> (use curses...)
2018-12-17T18:38:45 < karlp> otherwise you're gonna rebuild it all.
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2018-12-17T19:06:13 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/P1020474.JPG   https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/P1020485.MP4    i just had to make one of these after i saw it on hackaday :P
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2018-12-17T19:09:26 < qyx> I was going to ask the same
2018-12-17T19:09:31 < qyx> but I didn't want to look dumb
2018-12-17T19:10:25 < jpa-> i would have answered qyx's question, but i guess the question got stuck in my dumb-filter
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2018-12-17T19:39:43 < Steffann> Lol superbia. I was just pumping. Like you
2018-12-17T19:39:44 < Steffann> And crt
2018-12-17T19:39:47 < Steffann> All pumpers
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2018-12-17T19:54:00 < Steffann> Is superbia on holiday? 
2018-12-17T20:00:01 < Steffann> Wut? No work as in you are jobless superbia?
2018-12-17T20:00:12 < Steffann> If so, thats sad.
2018-12-17T20:04:12 < Steffann> I guess.
2018-12-17T20:04:53 < Steffann> But at my work that means we have to get some stuff finished = lots of worm
2018-12-17T20:04:58 < Steffann> Work
2018-12-17T20:06:43 < Steffann> Hows the foot sir?
2018-12-17T20:06:47 < superbia> why get stuff finished
2018-12-17T20:07:14 < superbia> everybody is skiing, started like 2 weeks ago....
2018-12-17T20:07:23 < superbia> and will last for a few more weeks
2018-12-17T20:07:44 < superbia> if we count this week, 3 more for sure
2018-12-17T20:08:51 < Steffann> Here xmas only starts next week.
2018-12-17T20:10:11 < superbia> ye, but even low level scum is free this friday
2018-12-17T20:10:21 < superbia> family to visit, prepare they must
2018-12-17T20:12:13 < Steffann> Hm
2018-12-17T20:14:32 < mawk> you're a Steffanx counterfeit Steffann 
2018-12-17T20:18:31 < mawk> yesterday I saw a reportage about the Appelscha Witch, in Friesland
2018-12-17T20:19:04 < mawk> with read hair, potions, cauldrons, brooms, and a DVD press to sell witchcraft seminaries videos
2018-12-17T20:20:26 < Steffann> first time i hear about it
2018-12-17T20:21:45 < mawk> how do you pronounce appelscha ?
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2018-12-17T20:21:50 < mawk> like appelsga ?
2018-12-17T20:21:57 < mawk> and not appelska
2018-12-17T20:22:05 < Steffanx> yes.
2018-12-17T20:22:27 < Steffanx> We dutchies like the "Sch" sound.
2018-12-17T20:22:30 < mawk> that's what I thought
2018-12-17T20:22:33 < Steffanx> SGGG
2018-12-17T20:22:37 < mawk> the french tv voice said appelska the whole time
2018-12-17T20:22:41 < mawk> yeah
2018-12-17T20:22:49 < mawk> that's what make people say dutch is the northern arabic
2018-12-17T20:22:59 < Steffanx> haha.
2018-12-17T20:23:37 < Steffanx> but SCH is SG  with bit the G sound is a bit softer usually.
2018-12-17T20:23:48 < Steffanx> -bit
2018-12-17T20:23:57 < Steffanx> damn
2018-12-17T20:24:08 < Steffanx> but the G sound is a bit softer usually*
2018-12-17T20:24:19 < mawk> I see
2018-12-17T20:30:03 < superbia> bedtime
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2018-12-17T20:41:04 < Steffanx> adios superbia
2018-12-17T20:50:06 < superbia> Steffanx: some stm porn to end the day https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1851/5125/products/IGd22F1_530x@2x.jpg?v=1540699708
2018-12-17T20:51:18 < kakimir> usb c
2018-12-17T20:51:20 < kakimir> future
2018-12-17T20:51:26 < Ultrasauce> the finger hole so you can use it to punch someone is good
2018-12-17T20:59:50 < kakimir> superbia: is it your design?
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2018-12-17T21:22:08 < Steffanx> Cool superbia
2018-12-17T21:27:14 < Steffanx> the kb controller.
2018-12-17T21:28:17 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/0RmrxpL.png
2018-12-17T21:28:17 < bitmask> they have arrived!
2018-12-17T21:31:02 < Steffanx> y no smd
2018-12-17T21:31:14 < bitmask> theres some
2018-12-17T21:31:21 < bitmask> stop bitching
2018-12-17T21:31:32 < bitmask> I'm using what I have 
2018-12-17T21:31:59 < Steffanx> werent you going to do those pcbs yourself?
2018-12-17T21:32:19 < qyx> maybe a super stupid question, how are you going to prope those test pads?
2018-12-17T21:32:24 < qyx> *probe
2018-12-17T21:32:43 < bitmask> there are no test pads, they are just for a personal project I dont need anything fancy
2018-12-17T21:33:01 < qyx> and what are 5V, A6 and A7?
2018-12-17T21:33:37 < bitmask> they are to solder wires to if I ever come up with something extra to add manually, A6 and A7 are unused pins 
2018-12-17T21:33:54 < qyx> arent they under the nano thing?
2018-12-17T21:34:19 < bitmask> yes but the nano is propped up a little because of the pin headers so there is a little room
2018-12-17T21:34:37 < bitmask> I doubt I'll be using them anyway, just added em incase
2018-12-17T21:42:56 < bitmask> what soldering tip do you guys use for smd, point or chisel
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2018-12-17T21:51:41 < Steffanx> I only have chisel atm. Although the smallest on is pretty pointy bitmask 
2018-12-17T21:52:27 < bitmask> ok I'll stick with the one I have, I wanted to swap it out for a new one but I thought I had another of the same kind (small chisel) but the only spare chisels I have are bigger
2018-12-17T21:52:36 < bitmask> maybe I should order one but I think I'll be ok for now
2018-12-17T21:52:46 < zyp> hmm, I have an old pic of my solder tips somewhere, let me find it
2018-12-17T21:53:12 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/MQZGE.JPG
2018-12-17T21:53:38 < Steffanx> Cute tips
2018-12-17T21:53:46 < bitmask> wow
2018-12-17T21:53:54 < zyp> the rightmost is kinda useless, don't remember last I used that
2018-12-17T21:54:13 < zyp> the middle one I've worn out and replaced with a similar but slightly longer one
2018-12-17T21:54:18 < Steffanx> Is that a weller?
2018-12-17T21:54:47 < zyp> and then I've also got one that's like a cone that's cut at an angle
2018-12-17T21:54:58 < zyp> the latter is good for soldering cables
2018-12-17T21:55:10 < zyp> oh, and PTH
2018-12-17T21:55:27 < zyp> in general I use the sharp pointy one
2018-12-17T21:55:33 < zyp> chisel tip for larger stuff
2018-12-17T21:56:21 < zyp> problem with the pointy one is that solder pools a bit up the side of it, not at the point
2018-12-17T21:56:36 < zyp> and yes, it's an old WS80
2018-12-17T21:58:15 < zyp> yeah
2018-12-17T21:58:46 < zyp> and tip also gets colder because thermal resistance goes up as it gets thinner
2018-12-17T22:00:57 < zyp> the rightmost solder tip has a smaller plated area, so solder pooling in the wrong place is not a problem, but on the other hand it's so thin it feels like thermal resistance gets too high to supply enough power for pads that are too well connected to big pours
2018-12-17T22:03:24 < PaulFertser> I had a chance to try something like https://www.jbctools.com/nase-2-tools-nano-rework-station-product-929-category-1-menu-1.html recently. It really kicked ass.
2018-12-17T22:03:34 < zyp> I was about to mention that one
2018-12-17T22:03:47 < zyp> I had one of those at a previous employer
2018-12-17T22:03:51 < zyp> I really miss that
2018-12-17T22:05:06 < zyp> «Output peak power: 14W per tool», but in practice it feels a lot better at dumping power into the solder joint than my 80W weller
2018-12-17T22:05:32 < PaulFertser> Indeed! And it plots a graph where you see output power realtime.
2018-12-17T22:06:01 < Steffanx> mine shows it as a bar/number, it does not plot it.
2018-12-17T22:06:24 < zyp> when I can afford spending >1k EUR on a soldering station, I'm buying one of those
2018-12-17T22:07:05 < Steffanx> mine = the jbc CD-B 
2018-12-17T22:08:20 < zyp> and unfortunately I don't solder enough at my current job that I can talk my boss into getting one :p
2018-12-17T22:09:10 < zyp> although if I had one I probably wouldn't have semi-ruined a PCB by delaminating a pad last week :p
2018-12-17T22:09:19 < PaulFertser> Have any of you tried TS100 as a portable solution?
2018-12-17T22:09:40 < zyp> no, but I've thought about getting one
2018-12-17T22:10:39 < PaulFertser> I've read that the tip there is really nicely coupled to the heater so it has comparable performance.
2018-12-17T22:10:49 < PaulFertser> I'm a bit confused by the length of it though.
2018-12-17T22:10:58 < zyp> doesn't it use some other brand tips?
2018-12-17T22:11:49 < zyp> but yeah, I also think the tips looks awfully long
2018-12-17T22:15:02 < Steffanx> You're talking about the distance from the grip to the pointy end i assume?
2018-12-17T22:15:15 < zyp> yes
2018-12-17T22:15:36 < zyp> https://www.jbctools.com/nt115-a-nano-handle-product-1351.html <- compare to this
2018-12-17T22:17:06 < Steffanx> but thats SHORT.
2018-12-17T22:17:11 < Steffanx> ultra short
2018-12-17T22:17:18 < zyp> yes
2018-12-17T22:17:24 < zyp> that's part of why it's so awesome
2018-12-17T22:18:53 < zyp> grab a pen, hold it naturally, look at how far from the tip you're holding it
2018-12-17T22:20:11 < Steffanx> but im not sure i want to solder how i write, but... then i have no experience with that nano thingy...
2018-12-17T22:22:11 < zyp> why not? you're grabbing a pen close to the tip for precision
2018-12-17T22:22:38 < zyp> and the only reason you're not grabbing a soldering iron just as close is because normally you'd burn your fingers if you did :p
2018-12-17T22:23:54 < Steffanx> nah, ill stick with mine. The tips are pretty short already. I have to try to know how it works.
2018-12-17T22:27:47 < Steffanx> I'd better spend the money on a microscope. That also helps 
2018-12-17T22:28:18 < Steffanx> With the accuracy
2018-12-17T22:31:06 < Steffanx> *i'd rather
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2018-12-17T22:34:01 < Steffanx> bitmask where your pcbs from jlcpcb?
2018-12-17T22:34:05 < Steffanx> did they do em in under a day?
2018-12-17T22:34:16 < bitmask> yea
2018-12-17T22:34:18 < bitmask> they were shipped 20 hours after I submitted
2018-12-17T22:35:54 < Steffanx> Its kinda sad. 2 dollar for the pcb. 20+ for the shipping :D
2018-12-17T22:36:26 < bitmask> yea I know right
2018-12-17T22:38:52 < Steffanx> Once it was 5 for dhl, but that was a discount -_-
2018-12-17T22:41:40 < bitmask> yea it was $12 for 7-14 day and $16 for dhl so I went with dhl
2018-12-17T22:42:29 < Steffanx> oh here its 19.74 euro for dhl
2018-12-17T22:49:14 < bitmask> how do to choose a pulldown resistor value
2018-12-17T22:49:21 < bitmask> how do i*
2018-12-17T22:50:50 < bitmask> 10K? 100K?
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2018-12-17T22:51:27 < Laurenceb_12> move a 3d printer to mars, and it could build a mars civilisation
2018-12-17T23:05:03 < Laurenceb_12> d i p o l e  d r i v e
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2018-12-17T23:13:29 < kakimir> sexdrive
2018-12-17T23:16:49 < Laurenceb_12> dipole drive is the funniest physics troll yet
2018-12-17T23:16:57 < Laurenceb_12> other than the omnisphere of course
2018-12-17T23:17:11 < Laurenceb_12> Demi Lardner???
2018-12-17T23:18:14 < Laurenceb_12> >dipole drive still makes more sense than babbyshake
2018-12-17T23:20:15 < Laurenceb_12> oh wow http://proton.energy/hygenic-earth-energy/
2018-12-17T23:21:07 < Laurenceb_12> e a r t h     e n e r g y
2018-12-17T23:22:49 < Laurenceb_12> > one or more Hygeneration wells extracts the elemental hydrogen, using Proton’s patented Hygenerator.
2018-12-17T23:22:58 < Laurenceb_12> >elemental hydrogen
2018-12-17T23:26:14 < Laurenceb_12> >carbon oxide
2018-12-17T23:27:30 < Laurenceb_12> obviously from the earth
2018-12-17T23:27:40 < Laurenceb_12> hygienically
2018-12-17T23:28:13 < Laurenceb_12> keek
2018-12-17T23:30:40 < zyp> they're basically claiming to do steam reforming in the well itself
2018-12-17T23:31:55 < qyx> any C pros here
2018-12-17T23:31:57 < qyx> https://github.com/pellepl/spiffs/blob/master/src/spiffs_nucleus.h#L410
2018-12-17T23:32:00 < qyx> whats the purpose of this
2018-12-17T23:32:23 < qyx> because warning: ISO C99 doesn't support unnamed structs/unions [-Wpedantic]
2018-12-17T23:33:17 < Laurenceb_12> Cracki: it sort of makes sense but then they fall off the deep end
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2018-12-17T23:33:30 < qyx> Cracki: how do you access them then?
2018-12-17T23:34:02 < qyx> omitting the "intermediate" struct name?
2018-12-17T23:34:08 < zyp> yes
2018-12-17T23:34:31 < qyx> ok, the compiler doesn't like it because ~pedantic
2018-12-17T23:34:49 < qyx> I will need to disable the warning or what
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2018-12-17T23:53:09 < Laurenceb_12> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-46597965
2018-12-17T23:53:11 < Laurenceb_12> keeking
2018-12-17T23:57:31 < qyx> no switch for no-pedantic it seems
2018-12-17T23:59:17 < karlp> just dont' give -pedantic then?
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2018-12-18T00:02:35 < qyx> I want it elsewhere and I could't find a way to remove it from CFLAGS in a cloned scons environment
2018-12-18T00:02:41 < qyx> (in 5 minutes)
2018-12-18T00:03:37 < qyx> so I noted it and postponed :>
2018-12-18T00:03:39 < PaulFertser> How about -Wno-pedantic ?
2018-12-18T00:03:47 < qyx> no worky
2018-12-18T00:03:58 < qyx> idk wh
2018-12-18T00:09:13 < Steffanx> Y?
2018-12-18T00:18:45 < bitmask> I think I used too much solder but whatever its fine :P https://i.imgur.com/yozi7UQ.png
2018-12-18T00:18:58 < bitmask> I need to get some tweezers
2018-12-18T00:19:07 < bitmask> and a pcb vice
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2018-12-18T00:25:58 < bitmask> too big
2018-12-18T00:26:10 < bitmask> .032"
2018-12-18T00:26:13 < Laurenceb_12> looks good enough to me
2018-12-18T00:26:26 < bitmask> yea it will work just fine
2018-12-18T00:26:58 < bitmask> alright time for all these JST connectors
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2018-12-18T00:30:35 < catphish> what's the deal with the STM32MP1?
2018-12-18T00:30:38 < catphish> is it coming?
2018-12-18T00:31:09 < karlp> (there's beeen no new chat about it here either that I've ever seen)
2018-12-18T00:31:49 < catphish> thought if anyone would know, this channel would :)
2018-12-18T00:32:00 < karlp> maybe the people that lurk here.
2018-12-18T00:33:55 < Steffanx> ntfreak was our guy with inside info in the past
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2018-12-18T00:51:50 < kakimir> inside guy
2018-12-18T00:53:52 < Laurenceb_12> mp1 wut
2018-12-18T00:53:55 < Laurenceb_12> weird stm32
2018-12-18T00:54:00 < Laurenceb_12> need available H7
2018-12-18T00:55:14 < qyx> ok, spiffs works
2018-12-18T00:55:23 < Laurenceb_12> kek its in lunix kernel
2018-12-18T00:55:28 < qyx> 1.5h to integrate it
2018-12-18T00:56:59 < Laurenceb_12> wait wut A7
2018-12-18T00:57:02 < Laurenceb_12> wtf ST
2018-12-18T00:57:11 < qyx> cortex a7?
2018-12-18T00:57:19 < Steffanx> Dual core ya
2018-12-18T00:57:23 < Steffanx> But no real info
2018-12-18T00:57:33 < Laurenceb_12> inb4 it need yuuugee external power hungry ram
2018-12-18T00:57:58 < Laurenceb_12> might as well get Rpi if it does
2018-12-18T00:58:01 < Laurenceb_12> also
2018-12-18T00:58:05 < Laurenceb_12> >embedded lunix
2018-12-18T00:58:09 < qyx> rpi is not stm
2018-12-18T00:58:10 < Laurenceb_12> not even once
2018-12-18T00:58:28 < qyx> if it was in tqfp..
2018-12-18T00:58:30 < Laurenceb_12> rpi is about as useful as stm with external rama nd lunix
2018-12-18T01:01:25 < Laurenceb_12> i.e. useless python/lunix infected aids
2018-12-18T01:01:32 < qyx> Steffanx: where did you see the a7
2018-12-18T01:02:04 < Laurenceb_12> qyx: github/lunix kernel
2018-12-18T01:02:07 < Steffanx> https://github.com/ARM-software/tf-issues/issues/600
2018-12-18T01:03:03 < qyx> https://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/automotive-infotainment-and-telematics/automotive-infotainment-socs/infotainment-processors/sta1295.html
2018-12-18T01:03:31 < Laurenceb_12> >infotainment
2018-12-18T01:03:36 < Laurenceb_12> cancer.jpg
2018-12-18T01:03:57 < Laurenceb_12> just show goatse to the children, problem solved
2018-12-18T01:04:23 < kakimir> :]
2018-12-18T01:04:31 < kakimir> :d
2018-12-18T01:05:04 < Steffanx> Could be that qyx
2018-12-18T01:05:18 < kakimir> that's funny Laurenceb_12 
2018-12-18T01:05:45 < Steffanx> What did you just say kakimir?
2018-12-18T01:05:54 < Steffanx> Out of snus? Need waffles?
2018-12-18T01:06:05 < kakimir> Laurenceb_12 said something funny
2018-12-18T01:06:20 < Steffanx> No more beer today 
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2018-12-18T01:07:28 < Steffanx> 00.07 superbia 
2018-12-18T01:11:44 < Thorn> catface oh you
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2018-12-18T01:19:50 < Thorn> GPS III SV01 Mission T - 14 h https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMtpVS0xM1c 
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2018-12-18T02:05:50 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/CSKUW6T
2018-12-18T02:27:57 < bitmask> yea I ordered a few, figured they were small enough to throw on the board
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2018-12-18T04:23:55 < Thorn> how do I outjob
2018-12-18T04:51:38 < Thorn> how do I import all my gerbers into a single camtastic document?
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2018-12-18T05:47:52 < englishman> this android pie update has rebooted 9 times and been crunching for 60 minutes
2018-12-18T05:47:56 < englishman> even in the future nothing works
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2018-12-18T08:33:17 < ds2> that's why he had to move? ;)
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2018-12-18T08:48:35 < Haohmaru> le moi
2018-12-18T08:50:10 < Haohmaru> what was teh issue?
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2018-12-18T08:51:50 < Haohmaru> ahumz
2018-12-18T08:51:58 < Haohmaru> well, let there b light
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2018-12-18T08:53:56 < Steffanx> Idk
2018-12-18T09:00:05 < machinehum> hi
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2018-12-18T09:07:01 < machinehum> How was everyone's days?
2018-12-18T09:09:05 < qyx> it is just starting
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2018-12-18T11:18:03 < qyx> https://privatebin.net/?76187622474012e6#NnBHIcV56vrlVwUvCxQ975JZhk7MK6I7B5WHDbGvpHE=
2018-12-18T11:18:12 < qyx> anyone encountered this kind of error with spiffs?
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2018-12-18T11:22:53 < invzim> damn you digikey!
2018-12-18T11:23:39 < invzim> they made a mistake, something with authorizing a creditard and left the order unprocessed for 3 days
2018-12-18T11:36:19 < kakimir> woke up to increasing feeling that I maybe forgot to put alarm clock on
2018-12-18T11:36:51 < kakimir> I open my eyes and see the numbers 11:15
2018-12-18T11:37:28 < kakimir> #milleniallife *putsshadeson*
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2018-12-18T12:03:47 < Sadale> I don't quite understand the idea of privatebin. If they have server-side access log enabled, the encryption just won't work quite well.
2018-12-18T12:04:07 < Sadale> never mind. It has a #. I think the # part isn't sent to the server.
2018-12-18T12:08:14 < kakimir> hmm I need to add a contactor to my test jig
2018-12-18T12:08:15 < zyp> yes, that's the point
2018-12-18T12:09:46 < qyx> I resolved the issue
2018-12-18T12:09:58 < qyx> a missing break caused chip erase instead of sector erase
2018-12-18T12:12:05 < karlp> incorrect use of {} ?
2018-12-18T12:13:15 < zyp> fall through in a switch, I assume
2018-12-18T12:13:33 < zyp> probably in the command selector
2018-12-18T12:13:38 < karlp> compiler so old it didn't warn you? :)
2018-12-18T12:14:09 < qyx> mhm
2018-12-18T12:14:42 < Thorn> is my routing ok https://imgur.com/a/PYbajE3
2018-12-18T12:17:14 < karlp> what's with the mixed sizes of thermal vias?
2018-12-18T12:17:33 < karlp> and why did you make a usb pwoer only port, lazy bones
2018-12-18T12:18:50 < zyp> I'm a bit iffy about the ground plane in the middle of the board
2018-12-18T12:19:20 < zyp> you have a big cut on the bottom and pretty much nothing that patches over it on top
2018-12-18T12:21:02 < Thorn> yeah the ground is less than ideal
2018-12-18T12:23:30 < Thorn> karlp: it's to remove excess solder when soldering manually without paste
2018-12-18T12:23:41 < Thorn> I think kakimir recommended it
2018-12-18T12:26:39 < kakimir> what?
2018-12-18T12:27:06 < Thorn> large via in a center pad for the excess solder to leak into it
2018-12-18T12:27:16 < Thorn> I'm not sure what to do about the ground though
2018-12-18T12:28:36 < kakimir> kakipro
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2018-12-18T13:02:52 < invzim> balls - jlcpcb defaults to 'ups' which is actually SF express it seems, and to add insult to injury more expensive than DHL
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2018-12-18T13:03:42 < invzim> my christmas plans are in jeopardy :(
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2018-12-18T13:48:14 < kakimir> what key combination produced line change in kicad text field editor?
2018-12-18T13:48:20 < kakimir> shift enter doesn't wok
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2018-12-18T13:57:25 < jadew> crt, I would have filled that with shit
2018-12-18T14:00:13 < jadew> I got some cheap TPU to play with
2018-12-18T14:00:22 < jadew> it prints really bad
2018-12-18T14:05:20 < Thorn> is this better https://i.imgur.com/uREHYfm.png
2018-12-18T14:05:36 < Thorn> vs https://i.imgur.com/Cobw2YX.png
2018-12-18T14:06:25 < kakimir> what kind of restore times you have noticed on polyfuses?
2018-12-18T14:07:23 < Thorn> I noticed they never recover fully, resistance increases significantly even after soldering them
2018-12-18T14:18:47 < Thorn> yeah I think my gnd much better now
2018-12-18T14:18:53 < Thorn> +is
2018-12-18T14:26:12 < kakimir> oh
2018-12-18T14:26:23 < kakimir> interesting :o
2018-12-18T14:27:16 < kakimir> I thought you could cycle them and they keep characteristics
2018-12-18T14:32:22 < karlp> kakimir, just enter?
2018-12-18T14:36:10 < englishman> wow, xiaomi mi a2 is actually bricked
2018-12-18T14:36:27 < englishman> i didnt think that was possible anymore
2018-12-18T14:40:58 < kakimir> karlp: yes
2018-12-18T14:41:09 < kakimir> I facepalmed already
2018-12-18T14:41:14 < kakimir> to myself
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2018-12-18T14:58:09 < zyp> englishman, any bootloader that lets you overwrite the bootloader or lacks a way to force-enter bootloader mode can be bricked
2018-12-18T14:58:56 < englishman> that's what i thought fastboot, edl modes and the new a/b redundant partitioning was for
2018-12-18T14:59:21 < zyp> true
2018-12-18T14:59:23 < zyp> so what fucked up?
2018-12-18T14:59:31 < englishman> no idea
2018-12-18T14:59:41 < englishman> installed ota android pie upgrade, got a boot loop
2018-12-18T14:59:54 < englishman> can't flash due to vendor locking, some partitions are locked due to the upgrade
2018-12-18T15:00:05 < zyp> sounds like a warranty claim
2018-12-18T15:00:10 < englishman> no warranty on chink phones
2018-12-18T15:00:29 < englishman> i'm going to go to costco and get a samsung
2018-12-18T15:00:34 < englishman> i think i had a good run of chinese phones
2018-12-18T15:00:39 < zyp> ah
2018-12-18T15:00:42 < englishman> went through 3 in a year
2018-12-18T15:00:43 < qyx> no udf and stuff?
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2018-12-18T15:00:55 < qyx> ehm dfu
2018-12-18T15:01:12 < zyp> if you're buying cheap stuff without warranty, the trick is to just buy extras :p
2018-12-18T15:03:45 < qyx> or what is it, mi flash
2018-12-18T15:03:46 < englishman> buying two is more than buying one new samdong with 2y warranty :(
2018-12-18T15:03:54 < englishman> plus it'll be nice to have amoled again
2018-12-18T15:04:35  * qyx is still using SE k550i
2018-12-18T15:05:19 < jadew> I don't understand how a company like amazon can ship without tracking
2018-12-18T15:06:15 < jadew> and the shipping price was what I'd expect it to cost me, if I sent it via EMS, which has tracking and arrives much faster
2018-12-18T15:06:48 < jadew> "Arriving today by 8 PM"
2018-12-18T15:06:50 < jadew> yeah, right
2018-12-18T15:07:15 < jadew> I don't think the mailman works on this weather
2018-12-18T15:07:35 < jadew> so I can't even go to the post office and say "here's my tracking number, give me my stuff"
2018-12-18T15:08:19 < englishman> guess i'll get a galaxy a8
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2018-12-18T15:09:33 < jadew> I recently got a Huawei P20 lite
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2018-12-18T15:09:49 < jadew> not the best camera, but otherwise ok
2018-12-18T15:10:12 < jadew> don't know how it compares to the a8, but I see the a8 costs a bit more
2018-12-18T15:11:23 < englishman> i think they are pretty close
2018-12-18T15:11:57 < englishman> it's a few bux more yeah
2018-12-18T15:12:15 < englishman> probably the oled+warranty+retail sales channels
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2018-12-18T15:32:28 < Laurenceb_12> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-46592080
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2018-12-18T15:32:45 < Laurenceb_12> https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/1765F/production/_104293859_dae37ae1-36cf-4c59-a788-f3f6ab05bc9b.jpg   the horror
2018-12-18T15:33:05 < Laurenceb_12> wonder when Prince Harry is going to prison
2018-12-18T15:33:19 < Sadale> nazi!
2018-12-18T15:33:58 < Sadale> seriously? Someone got jailed for the symbol on the latter pic?
2018-12-18T15:34:00 < jadew> "a long history of violent racist beliefs", a judge said.
2018-12-18T15:34:11 < jadew> they got jailed for holding a belief
2018-12-18T15:34:32 < jadew> (and they believed that in the past too, not just recently)
2018-12-18T15:34:39 < jadew> according to the judge
2018-12-18T15:35:30 < Laurenceb_12> they had anarchists cookbook too
2018-12-18T15:35:43 < Laurenceb_12> like 100% of ppl at my school when we emailed it around
2018-12-18T15:36:10 < Laurenceb_12> protip: 100% of the shit in anachists cookbook is complete bs that would never work
2018-12-18T15:36:20 < Laurenceb_12> <- knows from experience :P
2018-12-18T15:36:41 < karlp> not 100%
2018-12-18T15:36:49 < karlp> but a high portion yes.
2018-12-18T15:37:00 < Laurenceb_12> well the "setting shit on fire" drolling tard parts would work
2018-12-18T15:37:02 < Laurenceb_12> but...
2018-12-18T15:37:07 < Laurenceb_12> *drooling
2018-12-18T15:38:08 < Laurenceb_12> 12 year old me: *wut ppl are saying complete bs on the internet... wut??*
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2018-12-18T15:39:31 < qyx> I don't think setting shit on fire is inherent feature of anarchist philosophy
2018-12-18T15:40:03 < Laurenceb_12> keeek
2018-12-18T15:41:00 < Laurenceb_12> anarchist level: when u disagree with even the anarchists
2018-12-18T15:41:24 < jadew> well, anarchism isn't hard to disagree with, it's stupid
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2018-12-18T15:43:10 < Thorn> Blue Origin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E-3Bk2wpxo SpaceX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMtpVS0xM1c
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2018-12-18T15:43:34 < qyx> neither that is true but I am not going to argue
2018-12-18T15:45:37 < Laurenceb_12> >blue origin actually build something
2018-12-18T15:45:41 < Laurenceb_12> lies, lies
2018-12-18T15:46:33 < jadew> qyx, are you implying there's actually an argument to be made for anarchism?
2018-12-18T15:48:28 < Laurenceb_12> keek the boy racers have been busy https://postimg.cc/5Q5G7vPW
2018-12-18T15:50:47 < Thorn> there are also Delta IV and Soyuz launches in a few hours
2018-12-18T15:50:59 < Thorn> nobody sleep
2018-12-18T15:51:12 < jadew> was just going to say that I'm going to take a quick nap
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2018-12-18T15:52:52 < qyx> jadew: yes, because basically as it is, it promotes a stateless society, which is not harmful itself
2018-12-18T15:53:12 < jadew> it is harmful because it's useless
2018-12-18T15:53:18 < jadew> and it never worked
2018-12-18T15:53:19 < qyx> meh
2018-12-18T15:53:45 < jadew> there's a reason there was always someone in charge, since even before humans started to exist
2018-12-18T15:53:54 < jadew> bad shit happens
2018-12-18T15:54:20 < Laurenceb_12> >he says using opensource software and systems
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2018-12-18T16:06:20 < Thorn> blue origin webcast failed to start on time
2018-12-18T16:07:18 < Thorn> looks like they scrubbed the launch
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2018-12-18T16:09:03 < englishman> Thorn did you see spaceshiptwo flew a little bit into "space" and didnt blow up this time
2018-12-18T16:09:55 < Thorn> yeah they published a short video, too chicken for a proper webcast
2018-12-18T16:10:39 < englishman> death toll stands at 4
2018-12-18T16:10:40 < englishman> for now
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2018-12-18T16:12:12 < Thorn> spacex delays launch for 20 min
2018-12-18T16:19:54 < bitmask> o/ o/ o/
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2018-12-18T16:21:36 < englishman> aww no landing?
2018-12-18T16:23:35 < bitmask> I didnt realize they had limitations on that
2018-12-18T16:23:44 < bitmask> just the tip
2018-12-18T16:27:38 < qyx> stopped?
2018-12-18T16:29:01 < qyx> 14:36Z ends the launch window, no?
2018-12-18T16:31:29 < Thorn> 0 launches out of 2 lol
2018-12-18T16:31:31 < bitmask> damn
2018-12-18T16:31:55 < bitmask> thats annoying
2018-12-18T16:32:02 < bitmask> get your shit together spacex
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2018-12-18T16:32:23 < Thorn> delta iv 0157 GMT dec 19 
2018-12-18T16:32:42 < bitmask> what was the first launch that failed
2018-12-18T16:32:54 < Thorn> blue origin
2018-12-18T16:33:16 < bitmask> what were they ejaculating into space
2018-12-18T16:34:57 < bitmask> a spy satellite failed to launch as well? 
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2018-12-18T16:35:51 < bitmask> oh french spy and american spy
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2018-12-18T17:27:29 < Ecco> How do you guys check PCBs ou of an SMT line?
2018-12-18T17:27:40 < Ecco> Do you know of any website I could read on the topic?
2018-12-18T17:27:58 < karlp> how long is a ball of string
2018-12-18T17:28:25 < Ecco> well, I get your point, but I guess there are some common techniques
2018-12-18T17:29:49 < Ecco> For example, I'd like to measure the power usage when the device is sleeping
2018-12-18T17:29:58 < Ecco> I assume that's a rather widespread concern
2018-12-18T17:30:33 < Ecco> Yet I have no idea how to simply measure microamps in an industrial way
2018-12-18T17:30:52 < englishman> eevblog to the rescue
2018-12-18T17:30:58 < karlp> you want to do that on _every single board_ ?!
2018-12-18T17:31:20 < Ecco> Well, why not?
2018-12-18T17:32:33 < Ecco> I mean, what if a decoupling cap has gone bad or was poorly soldered?
2018-12-18T17:32:51 < Laurenceb> tfw https://postimg.cc/jCQBkgwW
2018-12-18T17:33:04 < Ecco> It could yield an unexpected high leakage current, and a terrible battery life when sleeping
2018-12-18T17:33:12 < Ecco> (on a battery powered device)
2018-12-18T17:34:31 < Laurenceb> https://postimg.cc/7bYNwmtJ
2018-12-18T17:34:54 < qyx> ked a test jig, buy some $$$ NI instruments, move some boxes around in labview and you are done
2018-12-18T17:34:57 < qyx> *het
2018-12-18T17:35:00 < qyx> uhm, *get
2018-12-18T17:36:46 < Ecco> :)
2018-12-18T17:40:57 < qyx> why do you laugh, it is done exactly this way
2018-12-18T17:41:20 < Ecco> Oh, I'm not laughing, I had just never heard of NI before
2018-12-18T17:41:59 < karlp> well, you can do it programatiically controlling any other tools you like too
2018-12-18T17:42:10 < karlp> it's a matter of what's worth testing, and what that costs per unit
2018-12-18T17:43:29 < Ecco> indeed
2018-12-18T17:44:39 < qyx> yeah, you can get cheaper daq/measurement systems
2018-12-18T17:44:52 < qyx> you can find many usb "student" multipurpose daq tools
2018-12-18T17:45:03 < qyx> with DMM inputs, temperature inputs, DI and DO
2018-12-18T17:49:32 < englishman> review for a samsung phone: Beware that this is not an iPhone. I was wondering where the iPhone 9 was since the 10 came out not too long ago. Imagine how distressed I was when this showed up in the mail. I would like to speak to the Grand Master of Best Buy.
2018-12-18T17:49:42 < englishman> one star
2018-12-18T17:52:18 < Laurenceb> https://postimg.cc/ThKhGbxJ
2018-12-18T17:54:35 < Laurenceb> cringe level >9000
2018-12-18T17:55:31 < Laurenceb> Mr Hand... https://postimg.cc/Bj6VwJHb
2018-12-18T18:10:34 < qyx> so it seems there is no standard way of transferring files from embedded (think of stm32) devices to host pc and back
2018-12-18T18:10:44 < qyx> there is dfu, usb only
2018-12-18T18:10:56 < qyx> there is mass storage, which is not usable in all cases
2018-12-18T18:11:00 < Laurenceb> mass storage?
2018-12-18T18:11:07 < qyx> there is mtp without known implementation
2018-12-18T18:11:41 < qyx> mass storage is braindead, you cannot read/write on the device while you are reading/writing on the host
2018-12-18T18:11:52 < qyx> also, you have to use host recognized FS
2018-12-18T18:12:17 < Ecco> so that's FAT, which had licensing issue IIRC
2018-12-18T18:12:31 < qyx> there is probably a sftp implementation in the wolfssl's ssh server
2018-12-18T18:12:40 < qyx> and thats about all
2018-12-18T18:12:51 < karlp> don't you mean, "there are _many_ standard ways of transferring files"....
2018-12-18T18:13:00 < Ecco> yeah, exactly what I was about to say
2018-12-18T18:13:05 < Ecco> you could list xmodem too
2018-12-18T18:13:26 < qyx> eh
2018-12-18T18:13:38 < qyx> I was thinking of more current means
2018-12-18T18:14:14 < qyx> with features comparable to mounting a remote FS
2018-12-18T18:14:48  * Ecco has a stupid idea
2018-12-18T18:15:02 < qyx> express yourself
2018-12-18T18:15:08 < Ecco> To measure the sleep consumption of an STM32
2018-12-18T18:15:25 < Ecco> 1/ Hook a large-ish cap between VCC and GND
2018-12-18T18:15:32 < Ecco> 2/ Let it charge
2018-12-18T18:15:40 < Ecco> 3/ Put MCU to sleep
2018-12-18T18:15:50 < Ecco> 4/ unplug the power supply
2018-12-18T18:16:08 < Ecco> 5/ let the thing sleep for a short while (I don't know, a few seconds)
2018-12-18T18:16:14 < Ecco> 6/ Put power back on
2018-12-18T18:16:26 < Ecco> 7/ Wake MCU up and see if it shut down in the process
2018-12-18T18:16:47 < qyx> it is enough to measure Vdd after waking up
2018-12-18T18:17:09 < qyx> knowing the sleep time, starting Vdd and Vdd after the cap was discharged a bit
2018-12-18T18:17:15 < qyx> you can compute the charge consumed
2018-12-18T18:19:02 < kakimir> if cap has low leakage
2018-12-18T18:19:21 < kakimir> some leak like shit dont they?
2018-12-18T18:20:32 < Ecco> But the power supply has to be shut down, right?
2018-12-18T18:21:20 < qyx> you can control it using the mcu itself
2018-12-18T18:21:31 < qyx> sou it can measure itself when it is measuring itself, you know
2018-12-18T18:21:36 < qyx> -u
2018-12-18T18:22:58 < Ecco> qyx: I'm afraid I don't follow
2018-12-18T18:23:48 < qyx> add a power switch between your power supply and cap+mcu
2018-12-18T18:24:01 < qyx> the power switch may be controlled by a gpio
2018-12-18T18:24:18 < Ecco> oh, yeah, ok
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2018-12-18T18:25:03 < Ecco> still raises a question though: non-sleep mode takes an order of magnitude more power 
2018-12-18T18:25:37 < Ecco> so wouldn't the power between "mcu is awaken" and "power is restored by mcu" be more significant?
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2018-12-18T18:42:29 < Laurenceb> kek https://www.subscribestar.com/sargon
2018-12-18T18:42:39 < Laurenceb> >You gain access to my Discord server at Perioikos level
2018-12-18T18:42:47 < Laurenceb> moar liek virgin level amirite
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2018-12-18T19:05:56 < Ecco> Dumb question : I'd like to drive a switch on an external circuit using a GPIO. What's the easiest way to do that?
2018-12-18T19:06:43 < Ecco> I assume either a relay or an optocoupler
2018-12-18T19:06:45 < karlp> you might like to clarify how you're defining those terms so people have a chance of understanding what the problem might be.
2018-12-18T19:06:54 < Ecco> but I don't quite get the difference
2018-12-18T19:08:08 < Haohmaru> Ecco wut's the problem?
2018-12-18T19:08:16 < Haohmaru> wut does "driving a switch" mean
2018-12-18T19:08:31 < Ecco> I agree my question was far from clear
2018-12-18T19:08:39 < Ecco> I need to rephrase :)
2018-12-18T19:08:47 < qyx> your englush is equally unclear Haohmaru 
2018-12-18T19:09:12 < Haohmaru> qyx i haz eggscuse!
2018-12-18T19:10:06 < Haohmaru> you know i mispell sh*t intentionally, right?
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2018-12-18T19:10:13 < Haohmaru> aww
2018-12-18T19:10:30 < Haohmaru> he couldn't deal with mah eggscuse
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2018-12-18T19:50:19 < kakimir> what kind of smd resistors have small noise?
2018-12-18T19:50:28 < kakimir> or
2018-12-18T19:50:37 < kakimir> are we even talking about smd resistors
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2018-12-18T20:13:38 < Laurenceb> my sides https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/a7c2gk/are_you_stockpiling_stuff_yet/
2018-12-18T20:13:43 < Laurenceb> the absolute state of reddit
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2018-12-18T20:16:41 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/KOIl2nm.jpg
2018-12-18T20:16:53 < bitmask> someone make me a ui
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2018-12-18T20:24:17 < Haohmaru> i heard Laurenceb is teh ui maker
2018-12-18T20:24:34 < bitmask> heh
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2018-12-18T20:35:34 < Steffanx> Crt.
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2018-12-18T20:44:20 < rajkosto> is this UI good enough ? https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-12_18-00-22_lsAlFaMym.gif
2018-12-18T20:44:27 < aandrew> balls. stm32 usb shows up and works fine in osx/linux, windows fails to configure it saying that "Device Descriptor Request Failed"
2018-12-18T20:47:00 < PaulFertser> bitmask: is that the insane module that requires I2C without ACKs?
2018-12-18T20:47:12 < rajkosto> its why i bought the SPI one
2018-12-18T20:47:40 < aandrew> bitmask: nice. I have a bunch of 0.96" OLEDs I use for little displays
2018-12-18T20:47:41 < bitmask> dunno, I'm just using adafruit's driver (ssd1306)
2018-12-18T20:48:12 < PaulFertser> bitmask: bitbanging?
2018-12-18T20:48:21 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=VFuH_1545152942
2018-12-18T20:48:23 < Laurenceb> kekking
2018-12-18T20:49:10 < bitmask> nah it uses hardware i2c using the Wire library
2018-12-18T20:49:19 < bitmask> I'm using arduino if that wasn't obvious
2018-12-18T20:51:42 < PaulFertser> I can't understand why nobody there really tried to short pins 19 and 20 as described on https://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=219419.msg1626156#msg1626156
2018-12-18T20:53:11 < PaulFertser> But it's another display apparently.
2018-12-18T20:53:45 < aandrew> hm?
2018-12-18T20:53:56 < aandrew> IIRC these drivers have data in and data out shorted together for I2C
2018-12-18T20:54:36 < PaulFertser> aandrew: they should, yes. But apparently the one they're talking about doesn.t
2018-12-18T20:56:49 < qyx> karlp: found a thing to play with https://github.com/zuckschwerdt/obexftp/blob/fd9a530b58873c58cf8b8c862d76a3b8902aa437/apps/obexftpd.c
2018-12-18T21:12:56 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/brexit/comments/a7aitl/nodeal_brexit_travel_warning_dont_go_on_holiday/
2018-12-18T21:13:01 < Laurenceb> oh wow this subreddit
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2018-12-18T21:18:19 < Steffanx> Try r/pumper Laurenceb 
2018-12-18T21:18:27 < superbia> evening senor
2018-12-18T21:18:29 < Laurenceb> uh oh
2018-12-18T21:18:55 < Steffanx> Welcome superbia. Hows the foot
2018-12-18T21:19:29 < superbia> is amazing, the only way it could be better is if i could kick you in the ass with it
2018-12-18T21:20:06 < Steffanx> No, youre nicer than that.
2018-12-18T21:20:17 < superbia> sorry no links tonight
2018-12-18T21:20:25 < aandrew> ugh I fucking hate debugigng USB
2018-12-18T21:20:47 < superbia> are your traces straight
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2018-12-18T22:11:26 < Laurenceb> crt spotted 
2018-12-18T22:11:27 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFn5k3Jsd9s
2018-12-18T22:12:50 < Laurenceb> woah wtf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMYU20arVRw
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2018-12-18T22:18:22 < Laurenceb> I demand reparations from mawk https://postimg.cc/WhXcv39V
2018-12-18T22:22:07 < Laurenceb> keek
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2018-12-18T22:33:16 < karlp> qyx: heh, obex is even more "standard" but uncommon :)
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2018-12-18T22:58:15 < Laurenceb> kek the replies https://twitter.com/bbcstories/status/1075005257254621186
2018-12-18T23:00:20 < Steffanx> My issues are way more serious Laurenceb . Like those moments youtube stops loading when you skip parts of a video
2018-12-18T23:01:59 < Laurenceb> oh wow https://twitter.com/aweeshoe/status/1075041011171250176
2018-12-18T23:02:09 < Laurenceb> when  /pol/ is ur teacher
2018-12-18T23:18:34 < englishman> got a galaxy s9
2018-12-18T23:18:36 < englishman> it was on sale
2018-12-18T23:18:44 < englishman> i guess they will put out a new phone in 10 minutes
2018-12-18T23:19:40 < Steffanx> englishman but no iphone..
2018-12-18T23:19:43 < superbia> s9 eeew
2018-12-18T23:19:54 < superbia> i bet pro Steffanx is not using samsungu
2018-12-18T23:20:00 < Steffanx> Nope.
2018-12-18T23:20:04 < Steffanx> Im cheap. I motorola.
2018-12-18T23:20:04 < superbia> there
2018-12-18T23:20:37 < Steffanx> what do you have now?
2018-12-18T23:20:48 < Steffanx> I know.
2018-12-18T23:21:00 < englishman> same here crt
2018-12-18T23:21:08 < kakimir> S7 samsunk
2018-12-18T23:21:10 < Steffanx> it saddens me
2018-12-18T23:21:23 < Steffanx> All those apple faggots in ##stm32
2018-12-18T23:21:29 < qyx> thats why I keep my SE
2018-12-18T23:21:33 < kakimir> #faggots32
2018-12-18T23:21:45 < Steffanx> You... of all people qyx ?
2018-12-18T23:22:02 < kakimir> a lot of people have SE
2018-12-18T23:22:08 < kakimir> it's pretty nice size and stuff
2018-12-18T23:22:27 < qyx> and working deterministically without updates and interwebs
2018-12-18T23:22:29 < Steffanx> Do you have the pink-gold one crt ?
2018-12-18T23:22:48 < superbia> stock android
2018-12-18T23:22:50 < superbia> niggers
2018-12-18T23:22:51 < kakimir> Steffanx: how about you? let me guess one plus?
2018-12-18T23:22:56 < Steffanx> no, i just told you
2018-12-18T23:23:00 < Laurenceb> https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uDk1_1545164979  muh arduino
2018-12-18T23:23:02 < jadew> SE?
2018-12-18T23:23:06 < Laurenceb> muh accelerometer
2018-12-18T23:23:09 < Steffanx> [22:20:04] <Steffanx> Im cheap. I motorola.
2018-12-18T23:23:18 < Laurenceb> muh 3d printing
2018-12-18T23:23:31 < Steffanx> i liked it. white yankees stealing packages.
2018-12-18T23:23:41 < kakimir> Steffanx: what model
2018-12-18T23:23:46 < Steffanx> Already seen elsewhere
2018-12-18T23:24:03 < Steffanx> motorola 5gs plus iirc
2018-12-18T23:24:15 < Steffanx> g5s plus*
2018-12-18T23:24:32 < kakimir> that is a sensible choise
2018-12-18T23:25:02 < Steffanx> two good things.
2018-12-18T23:25:15 < kakimir> html5 generally
2018-12-18T23:25:28 < englishman> i got a pink phone
2018-12-18T23:25:34 < kakimir> englishman: ironically?
2018-12-18T23:25:41 < englishman> no, to feel fancy
2018-12-18T23:25:46 < qyx> jadew: sony ericsson
2018-12-18T23:25:58 < Steffanx> oooh, no iphone 
2018-12-18T23:26:00 < kakimir> I had pink phone that smelled like woman that had it before me
2018-12-18T23:26:14 < Steffanx> thats why you kept it?
2018-12-18T23:26:16 < qyx> Steffanx: no, k550i as I said
2018-12-18T23:26:27 < kakimir> I'm pretty sure uk seller I bought it from deals stolen phones
2018-12-18T23:26:31 < karlp> aandrew: what usb class are yiou having problems with?
2018-12-18T23:26:48 < jadew> qyx, ah, thought that might be it, but I haven't had a SE in more than 10 years
2018-12-18T23:26:54 < jadew> or maybe... about 10
2018-12-18T23:26:55 < karlp> good evening 
2018-12-18T23:26:58 < qyx> mine is ~10y old
2018-12-18T23:27:00 < superbia> evening pro karlp 
2018-12-18T23:27:07 < karlp> not feeling very pro this week.
2018-12-18T23:27:13 < karlp> lots of things not really working very well.
2018-12-18T23:27:18 < jadew> qyx, running windows?
2018-12-18T23:27:20 < qyx> here too
2018-12-18T23:27:30 < qyx> jadew: no, it is a "feature phone"
2018-12-18T23:27:31 < kakimir> my guru uses something like 3310 still
2018-12-18T23:27:31 < Steffanx> qyx you said that 8 hours ago. I was phoneless today, so no irc :P
2018-12-18T23:27:38 < kakimir> because new phones are a mess
2018-12-18T23:27:44 < superbia> karlp: https://www.gentoo.org/downloads/
2018-12-18T23:27:55 < kakimir> I tried to give him free new phone
2018-12-18T23:28:04 < Steffanx> Company i work for like once/week does not allow my phone to get into the building -_-
2018-12-18T23:28:09 < karlp> superbia: relevance?
2018-12-18T23:28:20 < superbia> nothing works
2018-12-18T23:28:23 < kakimir> Steffanx: why they gay over your phone?
2018-12-18T23:28:31 < qyx> Steffanx: no byod?
2018-12-18T23:28:52 < jadew> my TPU prints aren't working
2018-12-18T23:28:55 < Steffanx> No kakimir. Just no phones allowed for non-employees.
2018-12-18T23:29:26 < kakimir> interesting
2018-12-18T23:30:00 < kakimir> are they this fancy for no reason or is there some legit reasoning behind it?
2018-12-18T23:30:19 < Steffanx> Probably to protect their stuff, not sure though. 
2018-12-18T23:30:25 < jadew> it's probably a Steffanx-only rule, but they told him nobody is allowed
2018-12-18T23:30:34 < Steffanx> because: market=>defence
2018-12-18T23:30:53 < karlp> I like how the sqlite changelog doesn't even mention that this is a critical security update
2018-12-18T23:31:07 < karlp> superbia: how is gentoo going to help that?
2018-12-18T23:31:18 < superbia> it would've told you not to use sqlite
2018-12-18T23:31:37  * karlp peers at superbia
2018-12-18T23:31:44 < Steffanx> not really jadew. its semi-serious. All the fancy badges and stuff even to go to the toilet.
2018-12-18T23:32:09 < jadew> Steffanx, nice, so there's interesting stuff going on there
2018-12-18T23:32:17 < Steffanx> yeah
2018-12-18T23:33:26 < karlp> or at least, they believe there is ;)
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2018-12-18T23:41:53 < rajkosto> how good is this buck converter ? https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-18_22-41-44_iasiX7Pvs.png
2018-12-18T23:42:21 < Steffanx> Perfect 
2018-12-18T23:42:51 < jadew> production ready
2018-12-18T23:43:05 < superbia> serbian seal of quality
2018-12-18T23:43:15 < Laurenceb> https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sBwAvOhwgDo/XBBDVR9w3NI/AAAAAAAATmo/Ab8siZLGVgU1Y6kI18qfwM7Gf3FNAdtLQCLcBGAs/s1600/raidersofthedeletedtweets.jpg
2018-12-18T23:43:30 < kakimir> rajkosto: it lacks .. dimension
2018-12-18T23:43:43 < kakimir> go in all 3 dimensions next time
2018-12-18T23:43:46 < rajkosto> here is the bottom https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-18_22-43-43_ZgiEfaggM.png
2018-12-18T23:44:21 < rajkosto> do you like my capacitor triangle on the top
2018-12-18T23:48:58 < kakimir> so coherent
2018-12-18T23:49:04 < kakimir> does it work?
2018-12-18T23:49:10 < jadew> that looks like more trouble than making the board yourself
2018-12-18T23:50:06 < kakimir> I wonder what I will do after my current job
2018-12-18T23:50:21 < jadew> retirement
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2018-12-18T23:52:17 < Steffanx> You expect it to stop soon kakimir?
2018-12-18T23:52:37 < kakimir> no
2018-12-18T23:52:47 < kakimir> I kept expecting it to stop
2018-12-18T23:53:37 < kakimir> I didn't - it was all my trust issues
2018-12-18T23:53:56 < Steffanx> Dont trust issue.
2018-12-18T23:54:04 < kakimir> :o
2018-12-18T23:54:28  * jadew learned a new word today
2018-12-18T23:54:39 < jadew> conniving
2018-12-18T23:54:45 < kakimir> whaa
2018-12-18T23:54:49 < kakimir> never heard
2018-12-18T23:55:07 < jadew> according to google: "given to or involved in conspiring to do something immoral, illegal, or harmful."
2018-12-18T23:55:34 < jadew> "a heartless and conniving person"
2018-12-18T23:55:52 < Steffanx> Whokay..
2018-12-18T23:56:06 < Steffanx> We need Ultrasauce to be around more. 
2018-12-18T23:56:19 < jadew> keep it close, in case you decide to watch 1922
2018-12-18T23:58:31 < Ultrasauce> no
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2018-12-19T00:05:56 < Steffanx> Ok. Sorry Ultrasauce 
2018-12-19T00:06:14 < Ultrasauce> sorry i cant be everything you need ;_;
2018-12-19T00:06:49 < Steffanx> Haha :P
2018-12-19T00:07:02 < Steffanx> You can. I know you can.
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2018-12-19T00:16:35 < rajkosto> kakimir, yes it works
2018-12-19T00:16:59 < rajkosto> guess the inductor being 18uH instead of recommended 6.8uH doesnt matter
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2018-12-19T00:20:48 < englishman> what the shit
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2018-12-19T00:20:57 < englishman> when you put in a sim card for the first time, the phone factory resets
2018-12-19T00:21:00 < englishman> what utter bullshit
2018-12-19T00:21:06 < englishman> gotta set up all this garbage again
2018-12-19T00:21:43 < Steffanx> Lolwut?
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2018-12-19T00:21:51 < rajkosto> the fuck
2018-12-19T00:21:54 < Steffanx> Is that some samsung feature?
2018-12-19T00:22:00 < rajkosto> why would that happen
2018-12-19T00:22:18 < rajkosto> your user data is so much more important to be erased when you change sims
2018-12-19T00:22:37 < englishman> https://www.samsung.com/ca/support/mobile-devices/galaxy-smartphone-factory-data-reset-when-i-insert-sim-card-into-my-new-device/
2018-12-19T00:23:14 < kakimir> I see class lawsuit happening
2018-12-19T00:23:44 < kakimir> but also backup you data
2018-12-19T00:23:57 < kakimir> do as I say not as I do
2018-12-19T00:24:16 < kakimir> also good to know as I plan to change sim card
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2018-12-19T00:29:06 < Steffanx> It only happens once i assume?
2018-12-19T00:29:52 < Steffanx> Yea.
2018-12-19T00:29:55 < jadew> I haven't noticed that with any new phones
2018-12-19T00:30:07 < jadew> but I don't change my phone too often either
2018-12-19T00:32:37 < kakimir> I wonder if I'm in danger with s7
2018-12-19T00:33:26 < kakimir> interesting
2018-12-19T00:33:39 < kakimir> it's progressive politics then!
2018-12-19T00:34:19 < kakimir> probs phone locks down also if it cannot make contact to it's sim card?
2018-12-19T00:34:37 < Ultrasauce> samsung does fde by default these days i believe, maybe it generates a key from the sim card or stores it there
2018-12-19T00:35:30 < jadew> that's such a stupid feature
2018-12-19T00:36:23 < jadew> thieves won't read your phone's memory if they can't get in
2018-12-19T00:36:39 < jadew> you can't read the phone's memory if it stops working
2018-12-19T00:36:56 < jadew> and the government can do it anyway, because there are restrictions on how good encryption you can use
2018-12-19T00:37:31 < jadew> also, wtf could anyone have there that needed encryption and couldn't be done in some other way
2018-12-19T00:39:24 < jadew> the only time you hear about FDE is when someone is faced with a broken phone and 0 ways of recovering their photos
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2018-12-19T00:50:06 < kakimir> yes
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2018-12-19T00:53:43 < kakimir> why now
2018-12-19T00:53:49 < rajkosto> FRONT TOWARD ENEMY
2018-12-19T00:53:53 < kakimir> of any moments
2018-12-19T00:54:00 < kakimir> what makes it the time
2018-12-19T00:54:04 < kakimir> the moment
2018-12-19T00:56:14 < Steffanx> And then in capitals :P
2018-12-19T00:58:10 < karlp> conniving is a great word, doesn't get used enough
2018-12-19T01:15:43 < mawk> connivence
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2018-12-19T03:01:35 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axYKPbr9_MA
2018-12-19T03:02:11 < jadew> "on a good day, the brothers make 2 euros"
2018-12-19T03:02:39 < jadew> "this is the only income for their family of 6"
2018-12-19T03:02:57 < aandrew> karlp: just bulk
2018-12-19T03:03:01 < aandrew> vendor specific stuff
2018-12-19T03:03:11 < aandrew> I'm clearly not doing something right because it's pissing windows off
2018-12-19T03:15:04 < Thorn> lol all tonight's launches are scrubbed
2018-12-19T03:15:36 < jadew> glad I went to sleep
2018-12-19T03:15:43 < jadew> so none of the launches happened?
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2018-12-19T03:15:53 < jadew> the ones you posted earlier?
2018-12-19T03:16:29 < Thorn> 0/4 lol
2018-12-19T03:16:41 < Thorn> 3 are rescheduled for tomorrow
2018-12-19T03:17:59 < aandrew> tdd.exe can see the device but sees that configuration descriptor and all subsequent descriptors are not available
2018-12-19T03:18:09 < Thorn> delta iv with spysat and soyuz in south america
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2018-12-19T03:23:10 < dongs> sup dongs
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2018-12-19T04:57:02 < Thorn> I'm done with this crap. outjob, zip, upload
2018-12-19T05:05:05 < Thorn> jlcpcb lost my gerber files after I changed shipping details
2018-12-19T05:05:12 < Thorn> world class web brogramming
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2018-12-19T05:18:58 < Thorn> I fixed my ground plane
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2018-12-19T05:20:49 < jadew> I'm installing linux
2018-12-19T05:20:55 < jadew> first time it froze during installation
2018-12-19T05:21:04 < jadew> had to reboot and start over
2018-12-19T05:21:21 < jadew> mint
2018-12-19T05:21:31 < jadew> mint cinnamon
2018-12-19T05:21:53 < jadew> yeah
2018-12-19T05:22:54 < jadew> I don't like the way it looks
2018-12-19T05:26:06 < jadew> man... the install thing takes a lot to get started
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2018-12-19T05:37:50 < jadew> if I time out, it froze again
2018-12-19T05:38:48 < Thorn> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/HOT-Toilet-Sticker-Wall-Stickers-IPoop-Toilet-stickers-Mini-Black-Switch-Stickers-Wall-Decor-For-Kid/343271_32672163255.html
2018-12-19T05:39:54 < jadew> I'd click, but I'm afraid doing anything on linux will break it
2018-12-19T05:41:46 < jadew> installation has finished!
2018-12-19T05:43:52 < jadew> looks good so far, monitors are working
2018-12-19T05:51:53 < jadew> crt, nvidia
2018-12-19T05:52:01 < jadew> but something weird did happen
2018-12-19T05:52:40 < jadew> I just rebooted it and when I selected mint 19 (the current one), it booted the old one
2018-12-19T05:52:45 < jadew> had to reboot and it worked again
2018-12-19T05:53:44 < jadew> I hope the issue where it addresses disks based on when they get detected hasn't returned
2018-12-19T05:54:16 < jadew> (making sda for example mean any disk in the PC)
2018-12-19T06:04:12 < Thorn> https://www.boringcompany.com/ webcast started
2018-12-19T06:07:02 < Thorn> some weird muzak there
2018-12-19T06:07:11 < jadew> and it doesn't go full screen
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2018-12-19T06:10:19 < jadew> I think we are on hold
2018-12-19T06:13:27 < jadew> it gets boring after a while
2018-12-19T06:14:38 < jadew> (pun intended)
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2018-12-19T06:24:04 < srk> they've managed to run car in the tunnel? wow!
2018-12-19T06:25:56 < jadew`> the IT department sucks
2018-12-19T06:26:03 < jadew`> because their stream just stopped working
2018-12-19T06:28:05 < jadew`> is he going to make better subways?
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2018-12-19T06:29:05 < Thorn> what about earthquakes
2018-12-19T06:29:11 < srk> safe.
2018-12-19T06:32:39 < jadew`> thunderfoot is taking notes at this moment
2018-12-19T06:35:32 < Thorn> that tunnel is claustrophobic
2018-12-19T06:35:40 < srk> standard size :D
2018-12-19T06:36:16 < Thorn> webcast is kaputt
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2018-12-19T06:44:31 < srk> "hyperloop is too difficult so we use wheels"
2018-12-19T06:46:20 < Thorn> finally CGI somewhat above amateur level
2018-12-19T06:46:43 < srk> more wheels!
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2018-12-19T09:02:28 < dongs> so uh
2018-12-19T09:02:45 < dongs> what would cause identical pcbas with F401 on it have 0.01mA standby current and 0.25mA standby current
2018-12-19T09:02:48 < dongs> same firmware
2018-12-19T09:02:50 < dongs> same assembly batch
2018-12-19T09:02:52 < dongs> same pcb
2018-12-19T09:02:56 < dongs> some sleep at 0.01, some at 0.25
2018-12-19T09:04:12 < Haohmaru> a corrupted capacitor
2018-12-19T09:04:22  * Haohmaru doesn't know
2018-12-19T09:05:09 < Haohmaru> can you narrow down on which supply rail the abnormality is?
2018-12-19T09:05:20 < jpa-> dongs: floating pins?
2018-12-19T09:05:55 < jpa-> though 250uA is a bit high for that, i usually see ~50uA difference between having a lot of pins floating vs. pulling them down
2018-12-19T09:06:04 < Haohmaru> enable pull resistorz on them pinz
2018-12-19T09:06:14 < jpa-> hm, actually in standby that might not even matter
2018-12-19T09:06:39 < Haohmaru> wut if u hold teh chip in reset?
2018-12-19T09:06:56 < jpa-> then it will take a lot of current anyway
2018-12-19T09:07:14 < Haohmaru> hm
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2018-12-19T09:25:21 < dongs> jpa-: identical hardware
2018-12-19T09:25:28 < dongs> standby, all pisn are highz
2018-12-19T09:25:35 < dongs> except pa0 and pc13/14 whatever rtc shtis
2018-12-19T09:25:37 < dongs> and reset pin
2018-12-19T09:25:39 < dongs> this is done by hardware
2018-12-19T09:26:17 < dongs> Haohmaru: the otherpower rail is off when mcu is sleeping.
2018-12-19T09:26:31 < dongs> enable pin is low, and pulled down 
2018-12-19T09:26:43 < dongs> so when its gpuo goes highz, its off too.
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2018-12-19T09:28:55 < jpa-> i wonder about that; the CPU core voltage rail goes off, but the GPIO input buffer is powered by VDD directly i think; but indeed you can't control pull-up/down in standby mode and i haven't had trouble with floating inputs there
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2018-12-19T10:12:10 < dongs> besides that would be a problem on all boards, and not just some
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2018-12-19T10:50:24 < superbia> Cloudflare Location: Vienna
2018-12-19T10:59:26 < Steffanx>     Ty
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2018-12-19T11:07:31 < Haohmaru> dongs could it be maybe something else on the board.. not this chip..?
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2018-12-19T11:25:18 < Steffanx> Welcome Haohmaru. Hows the day today?
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2018-12-19T12:21:00 < Haohmaru> what is the opposite of "sharp" ?
2018-12-19T12:21:13 < jadew`> blunt
2018-12-19T12:21:27 < Haohmaru> so.. iz like a blunt soldering iron
2018-12-19T12:21:40 < Haohmaru> and slightly jittery hands
2018-12-19T12:22:02 < jadew`> not sure what you're talking about
2018-12-19T12:22:33 < Haohmaru> mr Setffaxn asked me hao mah day iz
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2018-12-19T12:23:31 < jadew`> well, soldering irons aren't supposed to be sharp :P
2018-12-19T12:23:49 < Haohmaru> now now
2018-12-19T12:24:29 < Haohmaru> ..and i'm not supposed to be soldering 0805 by hand
2018-12-19T12:25:10 < jadew`> heh, mouser is selling some stuff that has no properties
2018-12-19T12:25:15 < jadew`> and no datasheet
2018-12-19T12:25:24 < jadew`> not even on the manufacturer's page
2018-12-19T12:25:29 < jadew`> it's just a PN
2018-12-19T12:25:33 < Steffanx> Buy alll
2018-12-19T12:25:37 < jadew`> lol
2018-12-19T12:25:48 < jadew`> (some washers)
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2018-12-19T12:26:43 < dongs> found the problem, at least the cause, 
2018-12-19T12:27:27 < dongs> there's a LIS3DL or similar on the board, i think sampled type was different from mp order. or maybe mp order was made from 2 different batches
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2018-12-19T12:27:47 < dongs> same config draws +.10mA on one vs 0.01mA on another
2018-12-19T12:27:57 < dongs> .10-.20 or so extra
2018-12-19T12:28:03 < dongs> either that or shitty soldering, still investigating
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2018-12-19T13:30:59 < Thorn> T - 2h 37 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVIrgayWlI0
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2018-12-19T14:39:00 < qyx> mouser selling and not sending
2018-12-19T14:39:16 < qyx> 2 days and the order is still not completed :S
2018-12-19T14:43:56 < Thorn> Omuamua confirmed alien spacecraft https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr0LX8VVCHI
2018-12-19T14:45:49 < invzim> qyx: call them..  Had this exact same thing with digikey, and they manually needed to authorize creditcard
2018-12-19T14:50:18 < qyx> is it what the young physicist is telling?
2018-12-19T15:07:02 < karlp> This board is like a freight train, with its 120MHz Cortex M4 with floating point support. Your code will zig and zag and zoom, and with a bunch of extra peripherals for support, this will for sure be your favourite new chipset.
2018-12-19T15:08:41 < Thorn> chipset, n.: a word often used by someone who has no idea what they're talking about
2018-12-19T15:11:06 < qyx> z&z&z code
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2018-12-19T15:43:54 < qyx> fuk export rules
2018-12-19T15:44:21 < qyx> what the hell is with IS25WP016D-JNLE
2018-12-19T15:45:36 < qyx> it is a damned nor flash
2018-12-19T15:45:42 < qyx> without any crypto
2018-12-19T15:47:10 < qyx> maybe because the manufacturer is issi, sounds like isis
2018-12-19T15:48:07 < Thorn> btw what's with builtin security in new double digit cortex-m, is there any crypto in the core now?
2018-12-19T15:48:49 < qyx> they have those arm trustzones
2018-12-19T15:53:28 < zyp> yeah, trustzone stuff is just memory isolation
2018-12-19T15:55:48 < Thorn> ok so it doesn't fall under 5a002 then
2018-12-19T15:55:53 < Thorn> good
2018-12-19T15:57:03 < qyx> next time I'll order puya instead of issi
2018-12-19T15:59:42 < Thorn> spacex scrub
2018-12-19T15:59:59 < dongs> cancelled?
2018-12-19T16:00:02 < dongs> 7 mins on jewtube remaining
2018-12-19T16:00:25 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1075353149219717120
2018-12-19T16:00:47 < Thorn> how to catbomb dongs using a spacex tweet
2018-12-19T16:01:43 < Thorn> if m is months then maybe
2018-12-19T16:02:05 < Thorn> see above
2018-12-19T16:09:45 < Ultrasauce> maybe you should call them and tell them how to do it better
2018-12-19T16:19:08 < englishman> keep it in the family
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2018-12-19T17:58:42 < Thorn> soyuz launch T - 40 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPypo7BQctY
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2018-12-19T18:16:06 < qyx> btw how did the russian space surgery finish?
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2018-12-19T18:26:53 < englishman> does Taiwan Semiconductor Corporation = TSMC? there are some diodes with the Taiwan Semiconductor Corporation brand not sure if it's the same as the fab
2018-12-19T18:27:21 < englishman> https://www.digikey.com/en/supplier-centers/t/taiwan-semiconductor
2018-12-19T18:27:53 < englishman> they seem different
2018-12-19T18:29:46 < Ecco> I'm looking at the H7 spec
2018-12-19T18:29:50 < Ecco> it has an opamp
2018-12-19T18:29:53 < Ecco> well, 2 actually
2018-12-19T18:29:55 < karlp> tsmc is semiconductor manufacturing company I thought
2018-12-19T18:29:58 < Ecco> what could these be used for?
2018-12-19T18:30:09 < karlp> tsc would be somewone else.
2018-12-19T18:30:15 < englishman> right
2018-12-19T18:30:30 < karlp> https://www.taiwansemi.com/en
2018-12-19T18:30:37 < englishman> vs tsmc.com
2018-12-19T18:30:43 < karlp> yar
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2018-12-19T18:37:11 < Thorn> T - 1 min
2018-12-19T18:39:15 < englishman> nice OSD there arianespace
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2018-12-19T18:45:21 < Thorn> NOT per hour!
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2018-12-19T18:54:31 < Thorn> Robert Feranec discovers that altium is not the only skill a designer needs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGNlUFm0VV0
2018-12-19T18:58:52 < upgrdman> heh, finally. neat: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Windows-Kernel-Internals/Windows-Sandbox/ba-p/301849
2018-12-19T19:01:14 < kakimir> is there sma to test pogo-stick adapters?
2018-12-19T19:02:35 < kakimir> that separates ground to some sort of chasis
2018-12-19T19:02:57 < kakimir> nah
2018-12-19T19:03:21 < kakimir> I wonder if pin row connections are okay for production tester..
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2018-12-19T19:18:35 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/bUj1WVH.gifv
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2018-12-19T20:10:28 < upgrdman> Cracki, its a more-convenient VM
2018-12-19T20:10:44 < upgrdman> auto generated, quick, uses less space, auto-destroyed, etc,
2018-12-19T20:21:05 < englishman> cool upgrdman
2018-12-19T20:21:13 < upgrdman> :)
2018-12-19T20:24:48 < kakimir> my home city will have a tram
2018-12-19T20:24:52 < kakimir> so cool
2018-12-19T20:25:46 < kakimir> or at least it is on table now
2018-12-19T20:28:35 < upgrdman> why is a tram intriguing, kakimir 
2018-12-19T20:28:44 < upgrdman> just the novelty of it, or... ?
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2018-12-19T20:32:25 < englishman> as a stereotypical american that would never ever think of using public transport, what an appropriate question
2018-12-19T20:36:58 < upgrdman> englishman, i use public transport exclusively when in china. and ya... wtf would anyone WANT to use public transport if private transport is available and good
2018-12-19T20:37:19 < englishman> you can do other stuff at the same time
2018-12-19T20:37:30 < englishman> instead of the menial task of driving
2018-12-19T20:37:38 < upgrdman> yes i know. i do that when in china
2018-12-19T20:38:00 < kakimir> rail transport can cover greater distance in same time too
2018-12-19T20:38:12 < kakimir> even with the stops
2018-12-19T20:38:23 < qyx> it is questionable here
2018-12-19T20:38:24 < aandrew> wtf
2018-12-19T20:38:34 < aandrew> http://www.vishay.com/docs/48410/48410.pdf
2018-12-19T20:39:13 < kakimir> they plan to use duo type train
2018-12-19T20:39:23 < kakimir> can use 2 types of track
2018-12-19T20:39:34 < qyx> train goes 120-160km/h here, if a good highway is available, you can go 130km/h, usually 140km/h
2018-12-19T20:39:43 < kakimir> germany?
2018-12-19T20:39:56 < qyx> ie. doing 270km visiting parents takes 3:32 by train, 3:00 by car
2018-12-19T20:40:16 < kakimir> germany then
2018-12-19T20:40:19 < qyx> no, slovakia
2018-12-19T20:43:41 < BrainDamage> train goes ~120 for commuters and 350 for high speed here
2018-12-19T20:43:52 < qyx> but if they update at least part of the railways to 160, it may become faster
2018-12-19T20:44:16 < qyx> most of them ist still old from the communism era
2018-12-19T20:45:43 < qyx> but it will depend on how much $$ will be take by politicians and how much goes to the actual trains&stuff
2018-12-19T20:47:03 < qyx> I wm curious why ST didn't release register descriptions for their TOF laser sensors
2018-12-19T20:47:25 < qyx> instead they are priving a library for it
2018-12-19T20:48:01 < jadew`> that sandbox thing is pretty cool
2018-12-19T20:49:10 < kakimir> problem in my home city is that there is a row of suburban areas each 5km appart
2018-12-19T20:49:40 < kakimir> formed along the highway
2018-12-19T20:50:41 < kakimir> and railroad track
2018-12-19T20:50:55 < kakimir> everybody practically need a car
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2018-12-19T21:21:52 < jadew`> I bought an USB 3.0 stick that has a writing speed of about 6 Mb/s or less :/
2018-12-19T21:21:54 < jadew`> Kingston
2018-12-19T21:23:07 < superbia> it works
2018-12-19T21:23:27 < Steffanx> superbia does.not
2018-12-19T21:31:02 < superbia> it has a writing speed
2018-12-19T21:31:28 < superbia> i am not guilty that you buy dirtiest chinesiche fakes
2018-12-19T21:32:25 < Steffanx> Hows your writing speed?
2018-12-19T21:34:11 < kakimir> chinietzcshe
2018-12-19T21:35:33 < Steffanx> Not too bad jlcpcb ware. Order sunday evening get it wednesday morning.
2018-12-19T21:50:48 < Ecco> Quick question: on a system with an LCD attached on the FSMC, which do you think would be better: Quad-SPI Flash or FSMC Flash?
2018-12-19T21:50:54 < englishman> rip google Allo, noone knew what it was and it died.
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2018-12-19T21:51:09 < Ecco> Secondary question: how could I make a back-of-the-envelope calculation for this?
2018-12-19T21:51:50 < englishman> not sure about quadspi but lcd controllers are typically set up to work well with the fsmc
2018-12-19T21:52:49 < Ecco> sure, this I've already done
2018-12-19T21:52:53 < Ecco> my question wasn't clear
2018-12-19T21:53:03 < Ecco> given an LCD is already hooked on the FSMC
2018-12-19T21:53:10 < Ecco> if I want to add a Flash memory to run code from
2018-12-19T21:53:32 < Ecco> is it better to use Quad-SPI or to hook it on the FSMC as well, knowning that the LCD is here already
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2018-12-19T21:56:29 < qyx> this is an important detail: run code
2018-12-19T21:57:03 < Ecco> why? Because memory access will be random?
2018-12-19T21:57:12 < qyx> although quadspi can be memory mapped and supports code execution, is would be slower than fsmc
2018-12-19T21:57:20 < Ecco> yeah, that's what I assumed
2018-12-19T21:57:38 < Ecco> but that's not exactly the question, right?
2018-12-19T21:57:42 < qyx> also, I would buy mcu with a bigger flash in this case
2018-12-19T21:57:48 < qyx> idk, you asked
2018-12-19T21:57:56 < qyx> 20:53 < Ecco> if I want to add a Flash memory to run code from                                                                       │··········································································································································
2018-12-19T21:58:02 < qyx> fuk byobu
2018-12-19T21:58:03 < Ecco> QSPI vs FSMC, sure
2018-12-19T21:58:04 < Ecco> :-D
2018-12-19T21:58:17 < Ecco> But what about QSPI vs (FSMC shared with LCD)
2018-12-19T21:59:15 < qyx> idk, I have never tried to share those two things
2018-12-19T21:59:22 < qyx> actually I have never used paralel flash
2018-12-19T21:59:41 < qyx> because many pins -> much work -> less profit
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2018-12-19T22:26:24 < bitmask> hmm if I'm reading the resistance with my cheap multimeter and Im using the 2000 setting and it reads 800 does that mean 8k ohms?
2018-12-19T22:26:57 < bitmask> or is it still 800
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2018-12-19T22:29:03 < bitmask> oh 2000 would be 80k?
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2018-12-19T22:32:20 < Ecco> Turns out there's an AN for my previous question (AN5188)
2018-12-19T22:32:34 < Ecco> answer is "it's complicated, because I/D caches can play a big role"
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2018-12-19T23:01:28 < aandrew> Holy crap these P50 pogo pins are tiny
2018-12-19T23:01:29 < mitrax> interesting document, i thought running code from external SDRAM would be much slower than flash, turns out it's only 10% slower
2018-12-19T23:04:14 < mitrax> oh nevermind that's with internal sram as ram
2018-12-19T23:08:06 < qyx> Ecco: whats your mcu?
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2018-12-19T23:13:09 < kakimir> https://imgur.com/gallery/DXt9Q6e
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2018-12-19T23:52:36 < upgrdman> i think i un-broke my website. works for me. can anyone else access farrellf.com ?
2018-12-19T23:53:06 < mitrax> works for me
2018-12-19T23:53:27 < upgrdman> k thanks
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2018-12-20T00:02:23 < kakimir> waitaminute
2018-12-20T00:02:29 < kakimir> is that uncle upgrdman 
2018-12-20T00:02:40 < upgrdman> ?
2018-12-20T00:02:54 < kakimir> you were not here for a while
2018-12-20T00:03:09 < upgrdman> oh ya. im back, for now.
2018-12-20T00:03:23 < kakimir> what were you doin?
2018-12-20T00:03:43 < upgrdman> i was shanghai'd, then beijing'd, then shanghai'd, then london'd, then shanghai's, and now i am america'd
2018-12-20T00:05:20 < kakimir> I have feedback for your telemetryviewer
2018-12-20T00:05:52 < upgrdman> :)
2018-12-20T00:06:57 < Steffanx> Hows the bicycling going? Ever got that fancy seat thingy?
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2018-12-20T00:07:47 < kakimir> upgrdman: does it have some sort of buffering or filtering for data?
2018-12-20T00:07:47 < upgrdman> Steffanx, that "web" style seat? got it, it was uncomfortable, so i returned it.
2018-12-20T00:08:00 < upgrdman> i started biking again now that im back in the us
2018-12-20T00:08:26 < upgrdman> my ass is so sore :) it needs to build up tolerance all over again :(
2018-12-20T00:08:34 < karlp> how far are you biking again?
2018-12-20T00:08:43 < Steffanx> Hah. Ok
2018-12-20T00:08:59 < upgrdman> karlp, 26 miles... so uh 41.6km
2018-12-20T00:09:12 < karlp> right, ok. far enough to care :)
2018-12-20T00:09:17 < upgrdman> at least once per day. sometimes twice per day... so 52 miles
2018-12-20T00:09:20 < karlp> my commute is only 9.5k
2018-12-20T00:09:26 < karlp> (each way)
2018-12-20T00:09:36 < upgrdman> cool
2018-12-20T00:10:15 < upgrdman> kakimir, not yet
2018-12-20T00:10:22 < Steffanx> Hmm thats quite a trip
2018-12-20T00:10:29 < upgrdman> kakimir, basically whenever a full packet is received, it gets processed.
2018-12-20T00:11:08 < upgrdman> kakimir, i'm currently doing 10k packets/second with ease, but ya, there's lots of room for improvement
2018-12-20T00:11:41 < kakimir> I did 1 hz update from serial
2018-12-20T00:11:51 < kakimir> some graphs started live their own life
2018-12-20T00:11:59 < upgrdman> depending on how autistic i feel like being, i may make my own oscilloscope/data logger board, and hope to run ADCs at >50MSPS
2018-12-20T00:12:20 < upgrdman> kakimir, ?
2018-12-20T00:12:29 < kakimir> I try to find the screenshot
2018-12-20T00:13:15 < englishman> thats a big commute upgrd
2018-12-20T00:14:10 < upgrdman> englishman, i bike for exercise. it's kinda fun too, but health is the priority.
2018-12-20T00:15:55 < kakimir> upgrdman: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XLsMUz4uOml31nZFkltLE7q9WB0Qth-X/view?usp=sharing some channels are like watching a demo device
2018-12-20T00:15:56 < upgrdman> now i just need to find a kinda fun way for upper-body work outs. i was thinking about a kayak, but don't have room to store one.
2018-12-20T00:16:30 < kakimir> I mean at first all seemed to work okay
2018-12-20T00:16:58 < zyp> plumbers finally came: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/PQeYP.jpg https://bin.jvnv.net/file/NesMi.jpg
2018-12-20T00:18:22 < upgrdman> kakimir, hmm
2018-12-20T00:19:30 < upgrdman> not sure, and i have not had any reports of misinterpreted telemetry data
2018-12-20T00:19:58 < kakimir> mut that is the same data in real time in both putty and telemetryviewer - I'm certain
2018-12-20T00:20:02 < kakimir> but
2018-12-20T00:20:13 < upgrdman> i guess i could add some better logging to my code
2018-12-20T00:20:15 < karlp> man, contributing to kicad is a miserable experience
2018-12-20T00:20:23 < karlp> makes linux look fun and pleasant
2018-12-20T00:20:56 < Steffanx> Is there a sauna zyp?
2018-12-20T00:21:08 < upgrdman> kakimir, can you "Save Layout" that and give me the file it makes? it should be a small text file which will tell me your connection settings / chart settings / etc.
2018-12-20T00:21:10 < zyp> unfortunately not
2018-12-20T00:21:18 < Steffanx> Or can you dim your lights?
2018-12-20T00:21:20 < kakimir> upgrdman: I have a file of my serial data
2018-12-20T00:21:36 < zyp> Steffanx, yeah, that will be possible
2018-12-20T00:21:49 < Steffanx> Or is that something else. 2nd photo, on the left
2018-12-20T00:21:57 < upgrdman> kakimir, that'd help too, but the Layout file is critical for me to try and duplicate problems
2018-12-20T00:21:57 < kakimir> it's just cp2104 usb thingy
2018-12-20T00:22:05 < zyp> Steffanx, on the bottom? thermostat
2018-12-20T00:22:05 < kakimir> no file
2018-12-20T00:22:38 < Steffanx> Yeah. Thermostat for.. seperate shower heating?
2018-12-20T00:22:39 < kakimir> I just selected the usb adapter
2018-12-20T00:22:39 < zyp> dimming will be handled by trådfri bulbs
2018-12-20T00:23:28 < upgrdman> kakimir, in that screenshot, lower-left area, there is a Save Layout button. if you click that it will save the program's state to a text file. if i can look at that, maybe i can see why data get fucked up
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2018-12-20T00:23:58 < kakimir> I don't have the layout anymore - I closed the window
2018-12-20T00:24:21 < Steffanx> Redo it
2018-12-20T00:24:28 < upgrdman> ok. well if you ever try again, and have that problem again, please save the layout file and give it to me
2018-12-20T00:26:42 < kakimir> all scales were with 1.000 factor
2018-12-20T00:27:02 < upgrdman> k
2018-12-20T00:27:10 < kakimir> stuff was pretty much like in the screenshot
2018-12-20T00:27:21 < kakimir> I also made it differently at times
2018-12-20T00:27:40 < kakimir> leaving stuff out putting more stuff to it
2018-12-20T00:27:43 < upgrdman> hmm. i see your locale uses a , as the decimal separator. i doubt that would cause the problem, but i've never tried my software in a locale that used ,
2018-12-20T00:28:12 < zyp> my locale does that too, it's fucking retarded
2018-12-20T00:28:23 < kakimir> does what?
2018-12-20T00:28:26 < zyp> use ,
2018-12-20T00:28:33 < kakimir> for decimal point?
2018-12-20T00:28:35 < zyp> yes
2018-12-20T00:28:38 < karlp> so confusing.
2018-12-20T00:28:43 < upgrdman> it's possible my code is brittle and slightly fucks up when it expects . but gets a ,
2018-12-20T00:28:47 < karlp> so much broken sw that mishandles it.
2018-12-20T00:28:56 < upgrdman> i'll try spinning up a VM in a different locale
2018-12-20T00:28:59 < kakimir> upgrdman: why does it rely on locale anyway?
2018-12-20T00:29:04 < karlp> end up geting shit with , for both thousands separator _and_ .
2018-12-20T00:29:14 < upgrdman> kakimir, can you share your file of serial data with me?
2018-12-20T00:29:17 < kakimir> yes
2018-12-20T00:29:42 < kakimir> a minute
2018-12-20T00:29:57 < upgrdman> kakimir, it should not. but i'm an ignorant american and maybe i hardcoded some shit that breaks when it expects a . but gets a ,
2018-12-20T00:30:18 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/136L1arW2Jr6l6D0k_bUwNlOsKinn27uB/view?usp=sharing
2018-12-20T00:31:05 < kakimir> hey you get the header of names and units too
2018-12-20T00:31:19 < upgrdman> ya
2018-12-20T00:31:27 < kakimir> that was fed 1hz from serial
2018-12-20T00:31:32 < upgrdman> k
2018-12-20T00:31:46 < kakimir> I used 3hz update frequency because I was not totally sure what it does
2018-12-20T00:31:58 < kakimir> as comms is one direction
2018-12-20T00:33:05 < upgrdman> the "Sample Rate" you specify in my software is just for Fourier transforms and how much to scroll when you use your scroll wheel. i should eventually move that setting elsewhere because it confuses many
2018-12-20T00:34:11 < kakimir> I found it had no effect I could notice in my view
2018-12-20T00:34:17 < upgrdman> ya, it does not.
2018-12-20T00:34:37 < upgrdman> for you, it would just affect how quickly the x-axis scrolls when you use your scroll wheel
2018-12-20T00:34:52 < kakimir> that's unexpexted
2018-12-20T00:35:42 < upgrdman> :)
2018-12-20T00:35:43 < upgrdman> https://github.com/farrellf/TelemetryViewer/blob/master/Telemetry%20Viewer/src/OpenGLChartsRegion.java#L583
2018-12-20T00:36:14 < upgrdman> i know. it's on my list of shit to unfuck. but i have little free time these days
2018-12-20T00:36:35 < kakimir> don't worry
2018-12-20T00:36:41 < kakimir> it's pretty much irrelevant
2018-12-20T00:37:25 < kakimir> I mean liveview is the bomb and there just isn't any other software there that does it like this
2018-12-20T00:37:47 < upgrdman> hmm and now that i think about if, if your sample rate is set to <4, you probably can't scroll... haha, fail.
2018-12-20T00:38:03 < kakimir> oh - wait you can scroll it
2018-12-20T00:38:36 < upgrdman> oh, maybe getSampleRate returns a float or double. nevermind then, it would use float math and work.
2018-12-20T00:38:49 < kakimir> how about ranging?
2018-12-20T00:38:55 < kakimir> something to do with ranging?
2018-12-20T00:39:07 < upgrdman> ranging?
2018-12-20T00:40:57 < bitmask> ranging
2018-12-20T00:41:04 < kakimir> how graphs scale on the view
2018-12-20T00:41:16 < kakimir> to the view
2018-12-20T00:41:31 < upgrdman> maybe but i doubt it
2018-12-20T00:54:47 < kakimir> I wonder if any new oscopes have perfect CRT emulation
2018-12-20T00:55:03 < kakimir> that would make stuff look like it was on CRT tube
2018-12-20T00:56:13 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPUdhm2VE-o to listen musics
2018-12-20T00:57:01 < kakimir> what do you mean?
2018-12-20T00:57:16 < kakimir> do you mean if there is something else cats would preffer?
2018-12-20T00:57:19 < Steffanx> englishman wanna trade cats for stroopwafels?
2018-12-20T00:57:48 < englishman> yes
2018-12-20T00:57:54 < englishman> give me your cats
2018-12-20T00:58:19 < Steffanx> She wont like canada
2018-12-20T00:58:30 < Steffanx> And she hates cats
2018-12-20T01:04:44 < kakimir> defence victory for Steffanx 
2018-12-20T01:04:55 < Steffanx> Nah
2018-12-20T01:05:00 < kakimir> you can keep you cat for now
2018-12-20T01:11:26 < kakimir> https://youtu.be/piZPIMYfq0c?t=112 I can see 320kbps mp3 artifacts
2018-12-20T01:15:15 < bitmask> hmm I need a heat level icon, I'm using a thermometer right now but I'm not sure if I like it
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2018-12-20T01:15:28 < bitmask> its tough with 32 pixels 
2018-12-20T01:15:48 < kakimir> you need graphics artist?
2018-12-20T01:16:03 < kakimir> heat level - is it static or level?
2018-12-20T01:16:29 < kakimir> dynamic*
2018-12-20T01:16:52 < kakimir> why not animation?
2018-12-20T01:18:31 < kakimir> are you planning to fit some purposeful information to that 32pixel?
2018-12-20T01:22:40 < bitmask> static
2018-12-20T01:22:57 < bitmask> I just need like 4 different levels
2018-12-20T01:23:09 < bitmask> I just want the heat settings dont really need any other info
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2018-12-20T01:29:45 < bitmask> I have an idea
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2018-12-20T01:41:00 < kakimir> Cracki: his own toolset I quess
2018-12-20T01:43:11 < kakimir> sometimes I think I should drop everything and start doing musics
2018-12-20T01:45:34 < kakimir> Cracki: are you trying to alter your voice to call ransom calls or do "anonymous" videos with the mask on to youtubes?
2018-12-20T01:46:30 < kakimir> oh
2018-12-20T01:47:27 < kakimir> and wanted to see if it was in real speed or so?
2018-12-20T01:49:02 < kakimir> it probably is
2018-12-20T01:49:19 < kakimir> there is less effort into those ramps than you think
2018-12-20T01:49:32 < kakimir> just some fixed a
2018-12-20T01:50:09 < Thorn> ISS Expedition 57 crew returns to Earth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0EGCONttEY
2018-12-20T01:50:46 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAdqazixuRY kuka robots
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2018-12-20T01:59:36 < Laurenceb_12> oops
2018-12-20T02:00:36 < kakimir> oh
2018-12-20T02:00:43 < kakimir> I was so confused about it
2018-12-20T02:00:52 < Laurenceb_12> sheeeet the incels have found the beheading video of the Danish travelthots
2018-12-20T02:00:55 < Laurenceb_12> nasty shit
2018-12-20T02:01:04 < Laurenceb_12> le blood fountains
2018-12-20T02:01:11 < kakimir> sick
2018-12-20T02:01:23 < Laurenceb_12> inb4 kakimir is fappin to it
2018-12-20T02:01:50 < kakimir> don't
2018-12-20T02:01:59 < Laurenceb_12> Louisa Vesterager Jespersen
2018-12-20T02:02:18 < kakimir> Laurenceb_12: so it was beheading not just stabbing?
2018-12-20T02:02:32 < Laurenceb_12> kakimir: yeah
2018-12-20T02:04:10 < Laurenceb_12> oh wow the reddit philosophers have got it all worked out
2018-12-20T02:04:26 < kakimir> what is wrong with morocco anyways
2018-12-20T02:04:38 < Laurenceb_12> https://postimg.cc/0bJGt24V
2018-12-20T02:04:44 < Laurenceb_12> I see nothing wrong with this
2018-12-20T02:05:57 < Laurenceb_12> >reddit finally realise they need to kill themselves
2018-12-20T02:10:30 < kakimir> you can bend it
2018-12-20T02:10:35 < kakimir> not prevent it
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2018-12-20T02:17:57 < kakimir> tabula rasa
2018-12-20T02:18:12 < kakimir> I see really empty window
2018-12-20T02:34:59 < kakimir> what is it?
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2018-12-20T02:49:51 < Thorn> soyuz undocking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0EGCONttEY
2018-12-20T02:51:34 < ds2> no new holes?
2018-12-20T02:52:01 < Thorn> they say leak checks are ok
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2018-12-20T03:21:52 < Thorn> delta iv launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1tDfkxmFWM
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2018-12-20T03:40:56 < Thorn> scrub lol
2018-12-20T03:44:31 < Thorn> soyuz has undocked
2018-12-20T04:00:43 < Thorn> deorbit burn in about 1h 45 min
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2018-12-20T05:46:38 < Thorn> coverage resumes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0EGCONttEY
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2018-12-20T05:47:48 < englishman> thanks
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2018-12-20T05:50:11 < englishman> welcome back baird
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2018-12-20T05:54:51 < englishman> wow those recovery vehicles were available in red alert 2
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2018-12-20T06:56:18 < englishman> wow that is some funky wx
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2018-12-20T08:09:06 < bitmask> meh
2018-12-20T08:09:07 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/dlfbJLC.png
2018-12-20T08:09:15 < bitmask> I cant decide what to do
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2018-12-20T10:43:57 < jadew`> any new thermal cameras?
2018-12-20T10:44:07 < jadew`> (cheap too)
2018-12-20T10:44:25 < jadew`> I'm surprised the seek thermal has held its price
2018-12-20T10:44:43 < jadew`> was hoping the market would be flooded by now with higher resolution thermal cameras
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2018-12-20T10:46:14 < dongs> thermapp still the best one
2018-12-20T10:46:18 < dongs> seek is jsut toy garbage
2018-12-20T10:46:20 < dongs> jews #1
2018-12-20T10:46:33 < jadew`> has the price gone down on thermapp?
2018-12-20T10:46:55 < jadew`> or still ~900?
2018-12-20T10:47:00 < dongs> nope still 999
2018-12-20T10:47:10 < dongs> there's 640x480 version for 3.5k now
2018-12-20T10:47:12 < dongs> that looks new
2018-12-20T10:48:56 < jadew`> yeah, it's a bit out of my budget
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2018-12-20T10:49:36 < jadew`> I was hoping to sell the seek, add a couple of hundreds and get something better, but that would have worked if there was something in the 500-600 range
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2018-12-20T12:03:46 < Ecco> Hiya
2018-12-20T12:03:57 < Ecco> I'm reading about the LPUART
2018-12-20T12:04:08 < Ecco> Is there anything the LPUART cannot do that USART can?
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2018-12-20T12:10:16 < Ecco> Other quesiton: why do some STM32 have both USB-FS and USB-HS?
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2018-12-20T12:13:23 < zyp> don't think about it as FS and HS, think about it as usb port 1 and 2
2018-12-20T12:14:00 < zyp> one of them happens to be FS/HS capable, while the other one can only do FS
2018-12-20T12:14:06 < Ecco> oh, ok
2018-12-20T12:14:19 < Ecco> are both controllers programmed the same way?
2018-12-20T12:14:30 < Ecco> (as long as you stay at 12Mbit/s)
2018-12-20T12:14:37 < zyp> yes, it's two instances of the same core
2018-12-20T12:14:42 < Ecco> oh, ok :)
2018-12-20T12:14:47 < Ecco> Then why is one slower?
2018-12-20T12:14:48 < zyp> they are just instanced with a bit different parameters
2018-12-20T12:14:51 < Ecco> ok
2018-12-20T12:14:55 < Ecco> why?
2018-12-20T12:15:01 < zyp> cost?
2018-12-20T12:15:07 < Ecco> but if it's the same core?
2018-12-20T12:15:20 < zyp> OTG_FS also has fewer endpoints and stuff
2018-12-20T12:15:25 < zyp> so it all adds up to fewer transistors
2018-12-20T12:15:30 < Ecco> oh, ok
2018-12-20T12:16:04 < zyp> you can think of the OTG_FS instance as a subset of the OTG_HS instance, the latter can do everything the former can do and a bit more
2018-12-20T12:16:09 < Ecco> gotcha
2018-12-20T12:16:10 < Ecco> thanks!
2018-12-20T12:16:23 < Ecco> Another question: I see that the OTG_HS can be configured with an external PHY
2018-12-20T12:16:29 < Ecco> what would be the use case for that?
2018-12-20T12:16:32 < zyp> HS
2018-12-20T12:16:43 < zyp> it has an internal phy also, but the internal phy only does FS
2018-12-20T12:16:48 < Ecco> ohh
2018-12-20T12:16:49 < Ecco> ok :)
2018-12-20T12:16:55 < zyp> so you need to run ULPI to an external phy to get HS
2018-12-20T12:28:09 < karlp> lpuart can wakeup on patterns and things, that uart can't
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2018-12-20T12:45:23 < Ecco> allright
2018-12-20T12:45:30 < Ecco> but what about the other way around?
2018-12-20T12:46:56 < karlp> what do you mean?
2018-12-20T12:47:07 < karlp> what can a uart do that a lpuart can't?
2018-12-20T12:47:11 < Ecco> yep :)
2018-12-20T12:47:13 < Ecco> If anything
2018-12-20T12:47:20 < karlp> go read the ref man yourself if you want to find that.
2018-12-20T12:47:41 < karlp> you can start with the "main features" section in the beginning of each chapter
2018-12-20T12:48:07 < Ecco> ok, thanks
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2018-12-20T13:13:13 < jadew`> I have to buy 62 values of resistors
2018-12-20T13:13:43 < jadew`> any idea if there's a way to let mouser select the cheapest versions that meet my requirements?
2018-12-20T13:14:59 < Haohmaru> write them a lett0r?
2018-12-20T13:15:38 < Haohmaru> "hai, pls, can i haz 62 rezist3rz, thx"
2018-12-20T13:17:17 < qyx> select one and then search for the same manufacturer and same type/model
2018-12-20T13:17:37 < qyx> or open datasheet/list of the selected manufacturer and search by part no
2018-12-20T13:17:52 < jadew`> might do that
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2018-12-20T13:25:25 < jadew`> $3 for 100 resistors :/
2018-12-20T13:26:50 < Haohmaru> hopefully that's not all u gonna buy from mous0r
2018-12-20T13:27:24 < jadew`> I'm going to buy 62 * that
2018-12-20T13:27:33 < jadew`> + some other stuff
2018-12-20T13:27:41 < Haohmaru> then ur gud
2018-12-20T13:28:20 < jadew`> not particularly happy tho
2018-12-20T13:28:52 < Haohmaru> y?
2018-12-20T13:29:00 < jadew`> they're way too expensive
2018-12-20T13:29:41 < jadew`> that's $3 before tax, so it comes to about $3.6 / 100 pcs
2018-12-20T13:29:56 < zyp> well, duh, you're only buying 100
2018-12-20T13:30:07 < zyp> just grab a reel of 5k for $10 if you want them cheaper
2018-12-20T13:30:21 < jadew`> I don't need that many
2018-12-20T13:30:33 < Haohmaru> yeah.. u know an actual hooman has to walk his a$$ over to get u some rezist3rz
2018-12-20T13:30:35 < jadew`> but they used to cost a lot less
2018-12-20T13:30:57 < Haohmaru> blame teh hooman
2018-12-20T13:31:12 < Haohmaru> he decided he wants to buy a yacht
2018-12-20T13:31:47 < zyp> jadew`, then just redesign so you don't need 62 different values but a bunch of the same instead, then buy some reels
2018-12-20T13:32:03 < jadew`> zyp, it's not for a product, I just want them for testing
2018-12-20T13:32:12 < zyp> oh, haha
2018-12-20T13:32:19 < zyp> then buy a resistor book or something
2018-12-20T13:32:32 < jadew`> they don't make that for e192 values
2018-12-20T13:32:36 < jadew`> or I couldn't find one
2018-12-20T13:33:32 < Haohmaru> hire a botnet, make program them to googlesearch for "e192 resistor book" .. wait a bit..
2018-12-20T13:33:40 < Thorn> maybe what you need is a few substitutuion boxes?
2018-12-20T13:34:03 < jadew`> Thorn, nope, using them for RF stuff
2018-12-20T13:34:54 < Haohmaru> !wz varna
2018-12-20T13:34:55 < englishbot> [Varna, Bulgaria] Overcast. Temp is -0.2°C. Humidity: 67%.
2018-12-20T13:35:03 < jadew`> !wz bucharest
2018-12-20T13:35:05 < englishbot> [Bucharest, Romania] Overcast. Temp is -1.8°C. West wind: 1.1 kph. Humidity: 87%.
2018-12-20T13:35:26 < zyp> !wz grimstad
2018-12-20T13:35:28 < englishbot> [Grimstad, Norway] Light Drizzle. Temp is 5.3°C. Humidity: 97%.
2018-12-20T13:35:46 < Haohmaru> zyp u must be cheating
2018-12-20T13:35:53 < zyp> :>
2018-12-20T13:35:53 < Thorn> !wz uuoo
2018-12-20T13:35:55 < englishbot> [UUOO, (null)] Snow. Temp is -7°C but feels like -12°C. ESE wind: 11 kph. Humidity: 93%.
2018-12-20T13:35:57 < Haohmaru> how come u haz such much warm up there
2018-12-20T13:36:14 < zyp> south coast
2018-12-20T13:36:20 < zyp> it's colder up north
2018-12-20T13:36:24 < zyp> !wz andenes
2018-12-20T13:36:25 < englishbot> [Andenes, Norway] Clear. Temp is 1°C but feels like -5°C. SSE wind: 28 kph. Humidity: 65%.
2018-12-20T13:36:28 < jadew`> Haohmaru, cold air goes to the bottom
2018-12-20T13:36:37 < zyp> flying north on saturday
2018-12-20T13:36:38 < Haohmaru> damn it
2018-12-20T13:36:55 < qyx> jadew`: what resistors are you buying?
2018-12-20T13:37:14 < jadew`> qyx, various resistors from the e192 series
2018-12-20T13:37:16 < jadew`> 0603
2018-12-20T13:37:23 < qyx> and they are $3 per 100?
2018-12-20T13:37:30 < jadew`> most of them, yeah :/
2018-12-20T13:37:38 < qyx> am I going to save your money?
2018-12-20T13:37:44 < qyx> paste an example
2018-12-20T13:38:11 < jadew`> https://ro.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Vishay/CRCW06038R66FNEA
2018-12-20T13:38:16 < jadew`> wait
2018-12-20T13:38:18 < jadew`> that doesn't work
2018-12-20T13:38:43 < karlp> wtf are you doing that e96 series isn't enough?
2018-12-20T13:38:48 < karlp> and you're only buygin 62 values anyway?!
2018-12-20T13:39:07 < qyx> 8.66ohm O_o
2018-12-20T13:39:28 < jadew`> karlp, yeah, they're the output of a script I made
2018-12-20T13:39:36 < karlp> fix your fucking scripts then
2018-12-20T13:39:37 < jadew`> values I might want to try
2018-12-20T13:39:40 < karlp> you're fucking insane
2018-12-20T13:39:44 < jadew`> lol
2018-12-20T13:39:49 < Haohmaru> o_O
2018-12-20T13:40:01 < karlp> "oh noes, I wanted to use absurd uncommon resistor values and they cost money!!!!"
2018-12-20T13:40:08 < Haohmaru> use combinations of "normal" valued resistors
2018-12-20T13:40:09 < karlp> make your script piuck from e96 !
2018-12-20T13:40:43 < jadew`> karlp, if I could laser trim them, I would
2018-12-20T13:40:50 < jadew`> e96 is too loose
2018-12-20T13:40:58 < Haohmaru> wut if teh script says 8.6600995 ohms 0.00001%
2018-12-20T13:41:17 < jadew`> well, the script gave other values, but I made it spit out e192 values
2018-12-20T13:41:42 < Haohmaru> is it time to put a trimpot?
2018-12-20T13:41:50 < zyp> karlp, haha
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2018-12-20T13:49:06 < karlp> obey teh script!
2018-12-20T13:49:12 < karlp> do not question the purpose!
2018-12-20T13:49:48 < Thorn> how sensitive is the circuit to resistor values
2018-12-20T13:50:09 < Haohmaru> how precise are yer other passives in that circuit? ;P~
2018-12-20T13:50:41 < jadew`> Cracki, both
2018-12-20T13:51:50 < jadew`> for some stuff, it would be possible to print and trim them yourself, but it's not worth it for the volumes I'm going to produce
2018-12-20T13:51:57 < qyx> for that price you may buy e196 resistor book
2018-12-20T13:52:14 < qyx> 192
2018-12-20T13:52:24 < jadew`> qyx, I searched for one
2018-12-20T13:52:54 < jadew`> I didn't look on farnell tho
2018-12-20T13:52:58 < karlp> smtzone has a 720 value kit that looks like e196 or something, but only in 0402
2018-12-20T13:53:11 < karlp> if you want 0603 you get e96 like everyone else
2018-12-20T13:54:17 < Thorn> if you're doing RF you're supposed to use 0402 unless there is a high power signal, no?
2018-12-20T13:54:29 < jadew`> Thorn, not necessarily
2018-12-20T13:54:44 < jadew`> smaller means higher capacitive coupling
2018-12-20T13:56:07 < jadew`> yeah, I'm not sure if that garbage at the end of the link is your session number or something
2018-12-20T13:56:14 < jadew`> (that's why I didn't include it in the paste)
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2018-12-20T13:59:56 < jadew`> karlp, the 720 value kit seems to be e96 and not complete
2018-12-20T14:00:21 < jadew`> Cracki, depends on how it's mounted
2018-12-20T14:00:22 < karlp> yeah, I didn't check a lot, I've only got their 510 value stuff.
2018-12-20T14:00:42 < karlp> "not complete" is a funny complaint for someone who only wants 62 values though :)
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2018-12-20T14:01:15 < jadew`> karlp, heh
2018-12-20T14:01:35 < jadew`> better odds of finding what I need in there
2018-12-20T14:01:55 < jadew`> would be nice if you could configure your kits
2018-12-20T14:02:14 < jadew`> for example, I would like 1 to 10, 10 to 100 and 100 to 1k
2018-12-20T14:02:26 < karlp> you don't hve to buy all 4,
2018-12-20T14:02:35 < karlp> you can buy just one of the boxes of the full kit
2018-12-20T14:02:56 < qyx> did you try rouding all your resistors to 1R, 10R, 100R, 1K if the circuit still works?
2018-12-20T14:03:17 < qyx> you could save your time
2018-12-20T14:03:57 < jadew`> qyx, the circuit will still work, but what I'm going for here is very high linearity
2018-12-20T14:04:16 < jadew`> (across frequency)
2018-12-20T14:13:56 < jadew`> Cracki, not really, they're usually all over the place
2018-12-20T14:14:03 < jadew`> (within the tollerance)
2018-12-20T14:16:24 < jadew`> yeah, it's possible the QA step gives direct feedback to the machines that produce them
2018-12-20T14:16:45 < Thorn> jadew` are you designing a high accuracy VNA or something
2018-12-20T14:16:51 < jadew`> Thorn, close!
2018-12-20T14:17:12 < Thorn> very high accuracy VNA?
2018-12-20T14:17:19 < jadew`> but I'm not saying what it is yet
2018-12-20T14:17:50 < jadew`> it's actually designed and built, there are just a couple more details to polish
2018-12-20T14:19:00 < jadew`> the enclosure design seems to be more challenging than I thought it would
2018-12-20T14:21:52 < jadew`> it imposed a couple of constraints that almost doubled the BOM in connector prices alone
2018-12-20T14:22:49 < Thorn> is it something Dr. Shahriar Shahramian would make a teardown video about?
2018-12-20T14:22:59 < jadew`> he would, yeah :)
2018-12-20T14:23:08 < Laurenceb> wew https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-46623754
2018-12-20T14:23:12 < jadew`> so I'm not sending him one lol
2018-12-20T14:23:18 < Laurenceb> trolls from #openpilot I guess
2018-12-20T14:23:41 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: will they get real prison time, what's your opinion?
2018-12-20T14:23:57 < Laurenceb> yes, guarenteed
2018-12-20T14:24:16 < Laurenceb>  > implying the reports themselves weren't made by trolls
2018-12-20T14:26:27 < Laurenceb> who could have forseen this....
2018-12-20T14:26:29 < Laurenceb> https://news.slashdot.org/story/18/12/19/2258219/giant-trap-deployed-to-catch-plastic-littering-the-pacific-ocean-isnt-working
2018-12-20T14:28:51 < Laurenceb> >to reddit perman00bs try to build something
2018-12-20T14:29:55 < Laurenceb> keeek https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=13087628&cid=57834340
2018-12-20T14:30:03 < Laurenceb> ultimate btfo comment
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2018-12-20T14:32:46 < englishman> !wz blanc-sablon
2018-12-20T14:32:47 < englishbot> [Blanc-Sablon, Canada] Overcast. Temp is -7°C but feels like -14°C. West wind: 22 kph. Humidity: 80%.
2018-12-20T14:33:35  * Laurenceb forwards to MI5
2018-12-20T14:34:02 < englishman> #openpilot lol
2018-12-20T14:34:10 < englishman> deader than dead
2018-12-20T14:34:47 < Laurenceb> cuz they are too busy trolling airports
2018-12-20T14:34:50 < Laurenceb> now we know
2018-12-20T14:35:42 < Laurenceb> >Boyan Slat
2018-12-20T14:35:44 < Laurenceb> keeek
2018-12-20T14:36:00 < Laurenceb> moar liek Boyant
2018-12-20T14:36:37 < Laurenceb> what the f https://postimg.cc/CRHxCp1h 
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2018-12-20T14:46:32 < Laurenceb> Popular Youtuber, Sargon of Akkad of akkad
2018-12-20T14:53:39 < Laurenceb> keek https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/anna-soubry-brexit-leave-traitor-hitler-peoples-vote-threat-a8692261.html
2018-12-20T14:53:49 < Laurenceb> >Mike Stuchbery
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2018-12-20T15:16:08 < Steffanx> Hows the day Haohmaru?
2018-12-20T15:17:39 < superbia> good day
2018-12-20T15:17:42 < superbia> dad Steffanx 
2018-12-20T15:18:07 < Steffanx> Where is dad?
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2018-12-20T15:22:38 < superbia> are you not a dad
2018-12-20T15:26:13 < Steffanx> Not that i know
2018-12-20T15:26:49 < kakimir> daddy stef
2018-12-20T15:27:15 < kakimir> he is not a dad but he can be a daddy
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2018-12-20T15:42:05 < Steffanx> Want stroopwafels kakimir?
2018-12-20T15:42:43 < kakimir> no
2018-12-20T15:42:55 < kakimir> my life is healthy
2018-12-20T15:43:00 < Steffanx> What if i ship without asking?
2018-12-20T15:43:16 < kakimir> I don't urge waffles anymore
2018-12-20T15:43:29 < Laurenceb> https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Y2vaaU2UnT4/XBhi3_e3hWI/AAAAAAABfOs/ccsa6sqgsRsuhJKopA4AJvVUdKPOy-tvwCLcBGAs/s1600/tumblr_phprstX5sU1xoyw8po1_250.gif
2018-12-20T15:43:49 < Steffanx> And healthy my arse -> snus
2018-12-20T15:45:01 < kakimir> it's totally safe
2018-12-20T15:45:52 < kakimir> it only makes cavity under lip to go only so deep
2018-12-20T15:48:23 < kakimir> nowdays they don't have glass filled snus anymore
2018-12-20T15:48:30 < kakimir> literal pieces of glass
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2018-12-20T16:06:32 < karlp> I have only 3 little stroopies left.
2018-12-20T16:08:10 < karlp> heh, 300-400ms ping time to a 3g modem across town.
2018-12-20T16:08:12 < karlp> niceeeee
2018-12-20T16:11:10 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHEbwTDYZEk kakimusics
2018-12-20T16:11:14 < Laurenceb> keeke https://www.gofundme.com/thetrumpwall
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2018-12-20T16:34:11 < kakimir> anyone used big ass fets to form a CV load?
2018-12-20T16:49:02 < Laurenceb> I read that as
2018-12-20T16:49:14 < Laurenceb> >has anyone put big ass farts on their CV ?
2018-12-20T16:49:30 < Laurenceb> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6512919/Pervert-23-faces-jail-admits-having-sex-corpse-lifting-lids-coffins.html
2018-12-20T16:50:13 < kakimir> that reminds me of Laurenceb 
2018-12-20T16:53:50 < kakimir> dominance 100
2018-12-20T16:59:32 < Haohmaru> Steffanx moar blunt than yesterday
2018-12-20T16:59:40 < Steffanx> Good.
2018-12-20T16:59:51 < Haohmaru> >:(
2018-12-20T17:00:13 < englishman> too many blunts
2018-12-20T17:00:38 < Steffanx> You'rr beautiful.
2018-12-20T17:00:40 < Steffanx> E
2018-12-20T17:01:21  * Haohmaru gives crt a magnifying glass
2018-12-20T17:01:53 < Haohmaru> oh i tought you lost a neutron
2018-12-20T17:07:13 < Steffanx> Give him some neurons.
2018-12-20T17:08:28 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/OthbkZN.jpg
2018-12-20T17:10:24 < Steffanx> Sounds familiar.
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2018-12-20T17:26:27 < mawk> lol
2018-12-20T17:26:37 < mawk> coding on the weekend is a good thing
2018-12-20T17:26:42 < mawk> blaming the user too
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2018-12-20T17:36:13 < bitmask> are there any lcd emulators? I'm tired of waiting for my program to upload
2018-12-20T17:38:00 < bitmask> I guess photoshop works but its hard to convert
2018-12-20T17:38:22 < zyp> just make one?
2018-12-20T17:38:50 < zyp> last time I dicked around with an oled display, I made some SDL shit to take the same output
2018-12-20T17:39:27 < bitmask> SDL?
2018-12-20T17:39:43 < zyp> ref. https://bin.jvnv.net/file/ijmPl.jpg https://bin.jvnv.net/file/hTFsT.png
2018-12-20T17:40:00 < bitmask> nice
2018-12-20T17:42:06 < zyp> bitmask, something like this: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/dlHeI
2018-12-20T17:42:30 < zyp> just keep the API the same and you can build for either
2018-12-20T17:42:53 < bitmask> thanks
2018-12-20T17:45:27 < englishman> dongs
2018-12-20T17:45:28 < englishman> How to run a brilliant tech startup into the ground - Jeri Ellsworth tells the story of CastAR
2018-12-20T17:45:35 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/1AJqr <- you'll also need the SDL_*-stuff from here
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2018-12-20T18:16:56 < bitmask> zyp I installed the python bindings but if you just use the C++ library do you need to use a window manager? I see you are using it mac and Ive never done native mac apps
2018-12-20T18:17:43 < zyp> huh?
2018-12-20T18:18:18 < zyp> SDL is just to create a window to draw on, it should work the same on macos/windows/linux
2018-12-20T18:18:20 < bitmask> does sdl handle window creation?
2018-12-20T18:18:29 < bitmask> oh ok
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2018-12-20T20:21:39 < mawk> some drunk hobo asked me if I wanted to fuck in a back alley
2018-12-20T20:21:49 < mawk> "yes of course"
2018-12-20T20:22:01 < Steffanx> Sexy.
2018-12-20T20:23:02 < Steffanx> Will you be ok mawk?
2018-12-20T20:23:10 < superbia> it's better than in swiss, where i get fresh pussy offered
2018-12-20T20:23:15 < superbia> and cocaina
2018-12-20T20:23:31 < Steffanx> No rolex?
2018-12-20T20:23:37 < superbia> cocain
2018-12-20T20:23:42 < Getty> Rio... Rio is better for both ;)
2018-12-20T20:24:01 < superbia> bedtime, travel tommorow
2018-12-20T20:24:06 < Steffanx> have fun
2018-12-20T20:24:06 < mawk> I said no so he stayed next to me for 5 minutes looking at me playing a game on my phone
2018-12-20T20:24:10 < mawk> then he left
2018-12-20T20:24:22 < Steffanx>  awh
2018-12-20T20:24:22 < mawk> I was playing super hexagon
2018-12-20T20:24:53 < superbia> bedtime
2018-12-20T20:25:11 < Steffanx> have fun
2018-12-20T20:26:11 < mitrax> mawk: did you take your eyes off your screen while playing?
2018-12-20T20:27:20 < mawk> not really mitrax
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2018-12-20T20:27:51 < mawk> I think the long hair confused him
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2018-12-20T20:28:08 < mawk> then after he saw I was a man he thought it was the chance of his life for coming out
2018-12-20T20:28:49 < Steffanx> Was it a yellow faggot?
2018-12-20T20:30:39 < mitrax> maybe 5 min is the time it took for him to jerk off while you were playing, but you didn't notice
2018-12-20T20:30:49 < Steffanx> hows paris nowadays mawk, getting a bit quiet lately.
2018-12-20T20:33:21 < mawk> lol mitrax
2018-12-20T20:33:55 < mawk> no he was like a 30 years old alcoholic, maybe homeless
2018-12-20T20:34:03 < mawk> but definitely very alcoholic
2018-12-20T20:34:11 < mawk> the gilets jaunes thing looks like dying
2018-12-20T20:34:24 < mawk> they took Macron's bait
2018-12-20T20:37:41 < mitrax> nah
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2018-12-20T20:57:05 < mawk> he "added" 100€ to the minimum wage, which consists of 80€ of already-voted measures on an exceptional prime that won't finance the pensions, and 20€ of mandatory inflation-following
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2018-12-20T20:57:35 < mawk> hi catphish 
2018-12-20T20:57:39 < mawk> you'll be better here than in ##linux 
2018-12-20T20:57:46 < catphish> lol
2018-12-20T20:58:01 < catphish> every time i go there i regret it :)
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2018-12-20T21:05:25 < kakimir> you simply don't go to general topic channels
2018-12-20T21:06:56 < Steffanx> ##stm32 is pretty general
2018-12-20T21:09:11 < kakimir> I mean general name channels
2018-12-20T21:09:32 < kakimir> stm32 is definitelly a strict small subset of electronics
2018-12-20T21:11:19 < kakimir> in a sense of channel name
2018-12-20T21:11:24 < kakimir> not the content
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2018-12-20T21:33:19 < catphish> is there anything more boring than copying registers from a datasheet into a struct?
2018-12-20T21:33:38 < zyp> sure
2018-12-20T21:33:38 < catphish> i've never had trouble with any other channel
2018-12-20T21:33:54 < zyp> dicking around with getting header generators to work :p
2018-12-20T21:33:57 < catphish> ##electronics is ok, and ##networking is the best channel on this network by far
2018-12-20T21:34:48 < catphish> ok, it's probably not, but i've been looking after it for a few years, so it's tolerable :)
2018-12-20T21:35:16 < englishman> super hexagon looks hard
2018-12-20T21:35:18 < englishman> great music
2018-12-20T21:35:26 < zyp> it's fun
2018-12-20T21:35:37 < zyp> been some years since I played
2018-12-20T21:35:53 < catphish> it does look hard
2018-12-20T21:35:57 < zyp> not sure I ever completed all levels
2018-12-20T21:36:24 < catphish> my kinda music though :)
2018-12-20T21:38:14 < englishman> https://gopherprotocol.com/
2018-12-20T21:38:16 < Steffanx> Warez music.
2018-12-20T21:38:21 < englishman> i thought this was a satire site
2018-12-20T21:38:24 < englishman> i'm still not certain
2018-12-20T21:39:16 < catphish> i actually need to design something that can synthesize this kind of sound
2018-12-20T21:39:34 < catphish> i started looking at it, combination of simple waveform generators and fm synths
2018-12-20T21:39:38 < englishman> https://gopherprotocol.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/electronics-581598_1920.jpg
2018-12-20T21:39:51 < Steffanx> great template though
2018-12-20T21:39:55 < englishman> maybe talk to resident electronic organ designer eeeemeb
2018-12-20T21:40:00 < zyp> very modern
2018-12-20T21:40:36 < qyx> integration level 7400
2018-12-20T21:40:46 < catphish> that's some nice pcb :)
2018-12-20T21:41:05 < Steffanx> catphish isnt it just chiptune? Enough projects around on the web
2018-12-20T21:41:16 < Steffanx> even for tarduino
2018-12-20T21:41:22 < catphish> i'm interested in reproducing the kinds of audio outputs found in 16 bit PCs and games consoles, from what i've seen, some have square/triangle/sine/sawtooth generators, which is trivial, while others have configurable fm synths which is rather more complex
2018-12-20T21:42:01 < catphish> essentially i'm trying to build something (using a modern arm SoC) that approximates an 80s games console
2018-12-20T21:43:29 < catphish> graphics wasn't too hard, reduced the resolution and colour depth, wrote a sprite renderer, sound will need to be a little more creative
2018-12-20T21:43:58 < catphish> it's all good funs
2018-12-20T21:44:21 < catphish> except right now i'm having to copy out register names :)
2018-12-20T21:44:21 < englishman> this looks like a pump n dump do-nothing shell company tbh
2018-12-20T21:44:27 < englishman> possibly autogenerated
2018-12-20T21:44:50 < englishman> If deployed, GOPH’s new network is as radical a departure from the old “series of tubes” as the first network was from the old brick-and-mortar world. Before the ‘90s, computers couldn’t talk to each other. In GOPH’s world, theoretically billions of devices are in constant communication 
2018-12-20T21:45:36 < catphish> englishman: is that just a joke site, poking fun at companies that doesn't appear to DO anything?
2018-12-20T21:45:43 < englishman> im not sure
2018-12-20T21:46:01 < englishman> $100m market cap last week
2018-12-20T21:46:37 < englishman> Because GOPH has the ability to create tracking Blockchain-based offerings and tokens, it is well positioned to capitalize in several potential markets.
2018-12-20T21:46:43 < englishman> but the company was founded in 2009
2018-12-20T21:46:54 < catphish> if it's a joke, it's way too well done
2018-12-20T21:47:03 < englishman> Could GOPHER have helped out Elon Musk at Tesla?
2018-12-20T21:47:07 < englishman> no way, it's a scam
2018-12-20T21:47:10 < catphish> do i'm thinking maybe there really *is* a product well hidden under all that marketing crap
2018-12-20T21:47:22 < englishman> gopher://tesla.com
2018-12-20T21:47:37 < catphish> or... is it possible to actually build something like this, and get investment without having any actual technology at all?
2018-12-20T21:47:50 < englishman> they claim to have their product, whatever it is deployed at 9400 convenience stores
2018-12-20T21:47:58 < englishman> im pretty sure it is
2018-12-20T21:48:04 < catphish> yeah that was the only solid claim i sa
2018-12-20T21:48:05 < catphish> *saw
2018-12-20T21:48:06 < englishman> check out juicero
2018-12-20T21:48:53 < catphish> still reads like a bad joke
2018-12-20T21:50:42 < englishman> Gopher does not intend to be an active participant in the cryptocurrency arena, except to the extent that it licenses its technology including the Gopher Radio Coin.
2018-12-20T21:50:59 < englishman> they are making AI, microchips, 5G shit
2018-12-20T21:51:02 < englishman> it makes no sense
2018-12-20T21:51:54 < englishman> Gopher Protocol Inc. (OTCQB: GOPH) ("Gopher"), a company specializing in the creation of Internet of Things (IoT) and Artificial Intelligence, enabling mobile technologies, is now embedding its Avant! AI into its GRC – (Gopher Protocol Coin).
2018-12-20T21:52:18 < upgrdman> look pretty SEO'd
2018-12-20T21:52:28 < upgrdman> surprised they didn't toss "blockchain" into that sentence
2018-12-20T21:53:13 < englishman> just two weeks ago got $4.5m cash funding and $3m more next year from a private investor
2018-12-20T21:54:54 < englishman> lol i just stumbled on this looking for some actual gopher protocol info
2018-12-20T21:57:09 < catphish> englishman: yeah i don't get it at all
2018-12-20T21:58:56 < catphish> i wonder if one could run a reasonable scam by making a trivial but potentially useful product, selling it in small volumes, then using those sales to pretend you're starting to sell something much more impressive, get funding, and disappear with the money
2018-12-20T21:59:05 < englishman> https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1471781/000161577418012657/s113943_10q.htm#a001_v1
2018-12-20T21:59:13 < englishman> $1.7m total assets
2018-12-20T21:59:34 < englishman> $2m accounts payable
2018-12-20T21:59:57 < catphish> their main asset is "Investment in Mobiquity Technologies, Inc."
2018-12-20T22:00:03 < englishman> $15m in sales wow
2018-12-20T22:00:13 < englishman> last q
2018-12-20T22:00:39 < catphish> for a tech company, they have very low margins
2018-12-20T22:01:21 < catphish> it makes no sense to make only 6% gross margin on a silicon product
2018-12-20T22:02:38 < catphish> they're also big into acquisitions
2018-12-20T22:02:49 < englishman> well if they really are a growing company, the margins can be low or negative
2018-12-20T22:03:20 < catphish> i suppose setup costs would be included in the cost of sales
2018-12-20T22:03:26 < catphish> so yeah, could make sense
2018-12-20T22:04:41 < catphish> i'd recommend investing in these guys: https://companycheck.co.uk/company/05523199/ATECH-MEDIA-LTD/financials
2018-12-20T22:04:53 < catphish> strong and steady growth ftw
2018-12-20T22:06:35 < englishman> their office is 500 square feet
2018-12-20T22:06:39 < englishman> my office is bigger
2018-12-20T22:06:55 < englishman> During 2016, the Company relocated its headquarters to 2500 Broadway, Suite F-125, Santa Monica, California. The Company paid approximately $5,000 per month in rent for this office space, and paid a $1,979 security deposit 
2018-12-20T22:06:59 < englishman> for 500sqft
2018-12-20T22:07:01 < englishman> 5k/month
2018-12-20T22:07:04 < englishman> ouch
2018-12-20T22:07:18 < catphish> that's tiny
2018-12-20T22:07:29 < catphish> my office is twice that size
2018-12-20T22:07:40 < englishman> is that your company
2018-12-20T22:07:50 < catphish> it is
2018-12-20T22:08:28 < Steffanx> lol
2018-12-20T22:08:35 < englishman> young crew
2018-12-20T22:08:38 < Steffanx> can in invest 2 english pound?
2018-12-20T22:08:42 < Steffanx> *i
2018-12-20T22:08:56 < catphish> no, we don't actually borrow money, never needed to :)
2018-12-20T22:09:38 < catphish> Steffanx: but i can take your 2 GBP and use it to buy beer
2018-12-20T22:09:47 < catphish> and you will get -100% return
2018-12-20T22:09:53 < kakimir> upgrdman: did you try to repeat the issue in telemetryviewer?
2018-12-20T22:10:04 < upgrdman> kakimir, not yet, no time
2018-12-20T22:10:09 < upgrdman> (sorry)
2018-12-20T22:10:23 < englishman> website says founded in 2004 but company register says you incorporated in 2005
2018-12-20T22:10:42 < englishman> can you buy a beer for 2gbp
2018-12-20T22:10:54 < Steffanx> Yeah, cheap beer
2018-12-20T22:11:04 < qyx> I can buy a beer for ~1.20€
2018-12-20T22:11:07 < Steffanx> id rather ship some stroopwafels :p
2018-12-20T22:11:23 < qyx> it is a pity I don't drink beer
2018-12-20T22:11:32 < catphish> englishman: 1) the business was founded a while before it was incorporated i guess 2) yes, about 1GBP minimum for a beer from a supermarket
2018-12-20T22:12:00 < catphish> the beer i drink is about 1.80 :)
2018-12-20T22:12:06 < catphish> so a 2GBP investment is ideal
2018-12-20T22:12:37 < englishman> thats quite the last name
2018-12-20T22:13:00 < Steffanx> Did you buy the report?
2018-12-20T22:13:02 < catphish> that it is
2018-12-20T22:13:18 < catphish> i assume he's just browsing the website
2018-12-20T22:13:19 < Steffanx> oh its there
2018-12-20T22:13:37 < Steffanx> i knew that
2018-12-20T22:13:49 < englishman> maybe its time to update your photos
2018-12-20T22:14:21 < catphish> but i look young and attractive
2018-12-20T22:14:40 < englishman> you can look frail and curmudgeonly instead
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2018-12-20T22:20:40 < englishman> so what does your company do
2018-12-20T22:20:52 < englishman> it has a lot of nice colours and icons
2018-12-20T22:25:29 < Steffanx> Welcome crt
2018-12-20T22:27:37 < catphish> englishman: it does whatever you want it to do :)
2018-12-20T22:27:54 < catphish> englishman: as long as that is ruby development
2018-12-20T22:27:56 < englishman> ok let me rephrase
2018-12-20T22:28:02 < englishman> what does your company do that GOPH can't do better?
2018-12-20T22:28:50 < catphish> well, we have a bigger office than them, so i guess we can swing cats around better
2018-12-20T22:29:50 < catphish> i was thinking we might try getting into the "whatever you want done" market, ie overpriced government IT projects
2018-12-20T22:30:00 < englishman> i bid on some of those
2018-12-20T22:30:06 < englishman> lots of potential
2018-12-20T22:30:43 < catphish> we can put together a database-style product with storage, web frontend, hardware if needed pretty fast
2018-12-20T22:30:48 < englishman> especially if you fit the niche of being big enough to do the work but small enough to do it fast
2018-12-20T22:31:21 < catphish> yeah we're just about reaching the point where we can deliver without being excessively bogged down in internal beurocracy
2018-12-20T22:31:30 < catphish> looking to get some ISO qualifications
2018-12-20T22:32:21 < catphish> although my interests lie more in sitting at home playing with MCUs
2018-12-20T22:33:31 < englishman> i ordered my first esp32 project today
2018-12-20T22:33:52 < englishman> are you still doing the run timer thing
2018-12-20T22:37:26 < catphish> englishman: sort of, the hardware is essentially complete, but not sure if i can be bothered to do a production run
2018-12-20T22:37:38 < englishman> dont, do a prototype run
2018-12-20T22:37:52 < catphish> well that's what i mean really, like 20 units
2018-12-20T22:38:09 < Steffanx> hows the pick and placer? :P
2018-12-20T22:38:21 < catphish> i have my single prototype running to check reliability / battery life, it's been running a month or 2 now, and no issues
2018-12-20T22:38:30 < catphish> it's lost about 5 seconds off its RTC in that time, so i'm happy
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2018-12-20T22:39:46 < catphish> Steffanx: on that topic, i'm not sure, i pretty much finished assembling it last week, but i'm not totally sure it's good enough to be useful :)
2018-12-20T22:40:07 < catphish> and setting up all the feeders etc seems like more effort than it's worth
2018-12-20T22:40:33 < catphish> it was a fun project, but i don't think i'll use it for any actual builds
2018-12-20T22:42:28 < catphish> englishman: i suppose i'm more interested in learning that actually finishing anything that doesn't have a customer waiting :)
2018-12-20T22:45:19 < englishman> yeah amazing how that works
2018-12-20T22:46:50 < Steffanx> hah yes
2018-12-20T22:47:42 < catphish> playing with (allwinner) ARM SoCs for now, they're both cool and horrible at the same time
2018-12-20T22:49:38 < Steffanx> Just lunix i assume?
2018-12-20T22:51:05 < catphish> nope, you should know me better than that by now
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2018-12-20T22:52:33 < catphish> i'm implementing a bare metal OS for one of them to learn how the hardware works
2018-12-20T22:55:05 < Steffanx> How much documentation is there nowadays for the allwiner?
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2018-12-20T22:56:43 < catphish> it's actually not that bad
2018-12-20T22:57:52 < catphish> they publish more docs than any other arm SoC maker, and combined with their linux source code, one can definitely write code thatw orsk
2018-12-20T22:57:55 < catphish> *that works
2018-12-20T22:59:35 < catphish> the chip i'm using comes with a 614 page datasheet documenting most of the registers
2018-12-20T23:00:19 < Steffanx> 614 isnt even that much. H7 is like 3.2k pages :P
2018-12-20T23:00:38 < catphish> this is the H3
2018-12-20T23:00:50 < Steffanx> stm32H7 i meant
2018-12-20T23:00:55 < catphish> oh
2018-12-20T23:01:09 < catphish> oh, yeah STM32 documentation is 100x better
2018-12-20T23:01:21 < upgrdman> any of the publicly doc'd allwinner chip do hdmi @ 4k?
2018-12-20T23:01:23 < catphish> allwinner docs are "barely adequate"
2018-12-20T23:01:25 < catphish> btu better than nothing
2018-12-20T23:03:43 < catphish> upgrdman: someone was actually talking about that in #linux-sunxi yesterday, the A20 can do 4k @ 15hz (ie the same bitrate as 1080p @ 60hz), the A64 can do 4k@24fps
2018-12-20T23:03:56 < upgrdman> hmm k
2018-12-20T23:03:57 < catphish> not sure any of them can do full 4k@60
2018-12-20T23:04:42 < englishman> not much of anything can do 4k60
2018-12-20T23:05:54 < catphish> 4k@30 is only double the data rate of 1080 so it's probably achieveable on some of them, i don't know the details though, i don't have a 4k tv
2018-12-20T23:06:51 < catphish> my project scales up a 480x270 framebuffer to 1080p@60 to approximate the graphics of yesteryear :)
2018-12-20T23:12:40 < rajkosto> huh
2018-12-20T23:12:59 < rajkosto> when a constant current supply wants to turn off a led strip, all it does is pull the voltage low enough for none of them to light
2018-12-20T23:13:05 < rajkosto> not actuall to 0
2018-12-20T23:18:45 < bitmask> zyp thanks btw, https://imgur.com/a/SaGKu1b
2018-12-20T23:18:52 < karlp> anyone have any low volume china consolidator agent?
2018-12-20T23:19:10 < karlp> doesn't need to be cheapest ever, but fees on small parcels are starting to rack up
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2018-12-20T23:23:58 < Steffanx> Im not sure what this is bitmask .. Temperature indicators?
2018-12-20T23:25:21 < bitmask> yea, working on the UI, zyp helped me start an oled emulator to play with because uploading a sketch every time I want to tweak something takes forever
2018-12-20T23:25:39 < bitmask> using SDL
2018-12-20T23:25:53 < rajkosto> heh i just made one in winforms
2018-12-20T23:26:04 < Steffanx> winforms, yay
2018-12-20T23:26:17 < bitmask> havent heard of that, though I hadn't heard of sdl until today either
2018-12-20T23:27:20 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-12_18-00-22_lsAlFaMym.gif its so i dont have to actually look at the display or press physical buttons, replaced the OLED driver functions to output to UART instead, then i capture that on PC and display
2018-12-20T23:28:54 < bitmask> why have I seen that before
2018-12-20T23:29:09 < rajkosto> because i shown it when you jokingly mentioned UI
2018-12-20T23:29:16 < bitmask> ahhh
2018-12-20T23:29:19 < rajkosto> text is good enough for me
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2018-12-20T23:59:48 < zyp> bitmask, nice :)
2018-12-20T23:59:59 < bitmask> ty
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2018-12-21T00:02:57 < englishman> https://hackaday.com/2018/12/19/rigol-mso5000-hacked-features-unlocked/
2018-12-21T00:02:57 < englishman> The hack is quite simple. The Linux system running on the scope has a default root password of, you guessed it, “root”. After logging in over SSH with these credentials, the user just needs to modify the startup file to add the “-fullopt” flag to the “appEntry” application.
2018-12-21T00:04:23 < zyp> haha, nice
2018-12-21T00:09:22 < kakimir> they probs "forgot" it there
2018-12-21T00:09:33 < zyp> almost tempted to get one of those now
2018-12-21T00:11:05 < Steffanx> Heh cool
2018-12-21T00:11:20 < kakimir> zyp: but you almost should not get one
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2018-12-21T00:13:49 < zyp> unfortunately I got other stuff I should rather spend the money on
2018-12-21T00:14:06 < Steffanx> kakimir will get you one
2018-12-21T00:14:20 < kakimir> I wonder how dave was suprised of bugs in it's operation as if those were new.. mso1054z has many similar flaws
2018-12-21T00:14:35 < kakimir> and he has it in his shelf but apparently never drives it
2018-12-21T00:16:55 < catphish> lol @ the epic DoS attack against london gatwick airport
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2018-12-21T00:17:35 < catphish> one UAV every few hours = thousands of cancelled flights
2018-12-21T00:17:39 < Steffanx> Do they know who/why?
2018-12-21T00:17:50 < Steffanx> Yet
2018-12-21T00:18:08 < catphish> nope, apparantly absolutely no idea, seems like just a colossal prank
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2018-12-21T00:23:38 < kakimir> https://imgur.com/gallery/JFvKmum
2018-12-21T00:25:26 < Steffanx> Yeah golden oldy
2018-12-21T00:25:31 < catphish> love it
2018-12-21T00:35:39 < kakimir> do opposums smell?
2018-12-21T00:37:06 < catphish> do they have noses?
2018-12-21T00:37:14 < catphish> if so, probably yes
2018-12-21T00:37:25 < rajkosto> how do i get stm32 to output 5V pwm signal instead of 3.3v
2018-12-21T00:37:38 < catphish> rajkosto: you don't
2018-12-21T00:37:50 < catphish> you'll need to amplify ot
2018-12-21T00:37:52 < catphish> *it
2018-12-21T00:39:52 < rajkosto> i need to inverting amplifier it
2018-12-21T00:39:59 < rajkosto> bjt as a switch
2018-12-21T00:40:19 < catphish> or just buy something like https://www.adafruit.com/product/735
2018-12-21T00:40:49 < rajkosto> this converts to lower not higher
2018-12-21T00:40:56 < catphish> i'm pretty sure it does both
2018-12-21T00:41:24 < rajkosto> https://www.adafruit.com/product/395 this one is cooler
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2018-12-21T00:41:39 < rajkosto> but assume i got nothing but jellybean mosfets and bjts
2018-12-21T00:41:57 < catphish> you can make your own
2018-12-21T00:43:22 < catphish> potentially as simple as just a single BJT or mosfet to pull down to 0v and a couple of resstors
2018-12-21T00:43:52 < rajkosto> but thats open drain
2018-12-21T00:44:37 < catphish> essentially yes, but you can use a pull-up resistor to 5v to make a weak push-pull that will satisfy most logic requirements
2018-12-21T00:44:57 < catphish> depends how complicated you want to go
2018-12-21T00:45:04 < rajkosto> its a 1MHz+ pwm
2018-12-21T00:45:24 < catphish> in fact the STM32 itself can do open drain with 5v tolerance
2018-12-21T00:45:42 < catphish> well then you best get designing :)
2018-12-21T00:46:22 < catphish> probably all depends what you're driving
2018-12-21T00:47:14 < rajkosto> https://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/thinkpad/DF6113.pdf
2018-12-21T00:47:21 < rajkosto> its DIM input
2018-12-21T00:47:38 < rajkosto> which needs to be "inverse polarity" anyway, so i can just use an inverting BJT configuration
2018-12-21T00:49:10 < rajkosto> strange that the datasheet says DIM up to 3.2V
2018-12-21T00:49:16 < catphish> doesn't that want an analog input?
2018-12-21T00:49:37 < rajkosto> when the board i have needs 5V for full brightness
2018-12-21T00:49:42 < rajkosto> after that it doesnt change anymore
2018-12-21T00:49:52 < rajkosto> i mean 5V for lowest brightness
2018-12-21T00:50:08 < catphish> that datasheet you sent implies it's 3v3 for full brightness
2018-12-21T00:50:22 < catphish> i'd connect DIM straight to a STM32 DAC
2018-12-21T00:50:50 < rajkosto> i dont interface with it directly but with a board that came with the led strips
2018-12-21T00:51:07 < catphish> well then, i dunno
2018-12-21T00:51:28 < catphish> maybe they divide the DIM signal, i'd be surprised
2018-12-21T00:54:51 < aandrew> so did they catch dongs with his drone yet?
2018-12-21T00:56:48 < catphish> nein
2018-12-21T00:57:25 < catphish> i think someone's in a lot of trouble though when they get caught :)
2018-12-21T00:58:18 < aandrew> I think someone's fully aware of the consequences and this isn't some rando with a hobbyking special
2018-12-21T00:59:00 < catphish> i suspect that the truth lies somewhere in between, i think this is an elaborate prank by someone who knows what they're doing
2018-12-21T00:59:58 < catphish> tomorrow's news: drone pilot caught "i wanted to show you all what brexit will be like"
2018-12-21T01:20:15 < aandrew> heh that's not a bad theory actually
2018-12-21T01:20:20 < aandrew> there are some total nutters out there
2018-12-21T01:20:30 < aandrew> wonder if they'll still be smiling with real prison time
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2018-12-21T01:25:54 < kakimir> kaked
2018-12-21T01:52:08 < kakimir> horse shoe soldering iron tip :o
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2018-12-21T02:29:51 < ds2> that was an interesting experience throwing together an app
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2018-12-21T02:38:34 < ds2> a GUI to visualize a thermal sensor dev board
2018-12-21T02:38:55 < ds2> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/digi-key-evaluation-boards/DKSB1015A/906-1002-ND/4360804
2018-12-21T02:38:57 < ds2> that
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2018-12-21T02:49:42 < Laurenceb_12> keeek this "drone" shit
2018-12-21T02:49:46 < Laurenceb_12> wtf is even going on
2018-12-21T02:49:57 < Laurenceb_12> prob psyop to ban drones
2018-12-21T02:54:33 < dongs>  < englishman> How to run a brilliant tech startup into the ground - Jeri Ellsworth tells the story of CastAR
2018-12-21T02:54:36 < dongs> lol
2018-12-21T02:55:39 < dongs> too bad its a shitty fucking podcast
2018-12-21T02:55:46 < dongs> i aint got 2 hours to listen to some nerds jerking it
2018-12-21T02:56:57 < MrMobius> I thought Quinn Dunki was kind of hot
2018-12-21T02:57:10 < MrMobius> because I had her confused with Jeri Ellsworth
2018-12-21T02:57:17 < MrMobius> different 6502 nerd
2018-12-21T02:57:42 < aandrew> yeah castAR sounded really truly amazing, but I don't want to sit through 2h to hear the 30s why
2018-12-21T03:05:11 < ds2> that seems to be the trend.. damn videos and other media... get the the point with a simple write up
2018-12-21T03:16:36 < dongs> yeah, lke when rtx2080 came out, 20 retarded "youtube" reviews and like 5 written ones
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2018-12-21T04:08:05 < Thorn> Altium Disaster
2018-12-21T04:08:24 < Thorn> how the fuck do you tear off a panel after it has docked under another panel
2018-12-21T04:08:42 < Thorn> I drag it by its header and all other panels move with it
2018-12-21T04:10:13 < Laurenceb_12> <Alex Jones> the drone "attack" is actually a real terrorist attack and the drone thing is cover </alex jones>
2018-12-21T04:13:15 < Laurenceb_12> hi MAGAPEDES has anyone got any dank DRONE PEPES for my memi stash?
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2018-12-21T04:31:37 < Thorn> there are no tabs
2018-12-21T04:31:54 < Thorn> there would be no problem if there had been tabs
2018-12-21T04:31:58 < Thorn> yes
2018-12-21T04:32:34 < Thorn> turns out you have to drag a panel unto an "arrow" to un-tile it
2018-12-21T04:32:50 < Thorn> the "docking indicators" that appear when you start dragging
2018-12-21T04:33:01 < Thorn> no there's nothing useful in the context menu
2018-12-21T04:33:15 < Thorn> worst UI editing I've ever seen
2018-12-21T04:34:29 < Thorn> they should look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM0JlcZaLMM for example
2018-12-21T04:36:54 < Thorn> I had to read that page (for v18)
2018-12-21T04:37:04 < Thorn> the UI itself is completely non-intuitive
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2018-12-21T04:51:50 < rajkosto> catphish, i reverse engineered the board https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-21_03-51-31_O5AhSKpTN.png
2018-12-21T04:52:09 < dongs> whats this shit?
2018-12-21T04:52:12 < dongs> led dimmer?
2018-12-21T04:53:19 < rajkosto> the CreatAll CA-155 board
2018-12-21T04:53:38 < rajkosto> the most common/cheapest CCFL->LED driver board
2018-12-21T04:53:57 < dongs> the board is $3 on aliexpress.......
2018-12-21T04:54:24 < rajkosto> even better, you can get it with the leds for like 3.5$ on ebay
2018-12-21T04:55:12 < rajkosto> depends on tube length i guess, the more common ones are cheaper
2018-12-21T04:57:21 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-21_03-57-19_IUbDuggm8.png layout
2018-12-21T04:58:27 < catphish> rajkosto: wow that's odd if you're right
2018-12-21T04:58:53 < catphish> DIM in isn't usued at all?
2018-12-21T04:59:16 < rajkosto> catphish, DIM directly interrupts "Current sense"
2018-12-21T04:59:30 < rajkosto> i think this was done so that both PWM and analog dimmers can be used.
2018-12-21T04:59:36 < catphish> oh yeah i see it now
2018-12-21T05:00:23 < catphish> shame they didnt jus expose the 3v3 dimmer pin :)
2018-12-21T05:00:34 < rajkosto> its ENA
2018-12-21T05:00:38 < rajkosto> ENA sucks though
2018-12-21T05:00:51 < rajkosto> doesnt like PWM at all, just goes unstable
2018-12-21T05:01:53 < rajkosto> the output is VIN-VOUT
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2018-12-21T05:12:01 < rajkosto> nah, for my kit it operates in buck mode, not boost mode which is what the chip datasheet shows
2018-12-21T05:15:44 < rajkosto> you just move the diode to the left and the inductor to the right i suppose
2018-12-21T05:15:48 < rajkosto> like any buck regulator
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2018-12-21T05:17:44 < rajkosto> R3 and R6 control 5V or 3.3V DIM i guess ? look at datasheet "ENA+DIM inverted analog dimming"
2018-12-21T05:18:07 < rajkosto> tho they connect it to FB not CS
2018-12-21T05:37:51 < rajkosto> Cracki, https://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/thinkpad/led-unboosty.shtml
2018-12-21T05:38:36 < rajkosto> its this design
2018-12-21T05:39:11 < rajkosto> exact cs and shunt resistor values
2018-12-21T05:41:34 < rajkosto> halves the power usage.
2018-12-21T05:41:40 < rajkosto> 25W -> 8W
2018-12-21T05:41:45 < rajkosto> etc
2018-12-21T05:41:59 < rajkosto> CCFL very hungery
2018-12-21T05:42:12 < rajkosto> and led strips are cheaper than ccfl thin tubes
2018-12-21T05:47:40 < rajkosto> the layout on this one is fantastic https://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/thinkpad/led-cheapybuck.shtml
2018-12-21T06:05:12 < jadew`> morning
2018-12-21T06:06:30 < jadew`> heh
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2018-12-21T06:22:51 < jadew`> this is a first, found 31 capacitors on TME that meet a particular criteria, 0 on mouser
2018-12-21T06:23:36 < jadew`> so I guess I'll have a TME order too
2018-12-21T06:23:44 < jadew`> time to move some of the items over
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2018-12-21T08:53:35 < englishman> altium 19.0.10 out
2018-12-21T08:53:52 < englishman> still 10 days left til 2019 and they are already 300 builds in
2018-12-21T09:04:27 < Steffanx> Ita gonna be a good altium year
2018-12-21T09:04:30 < Steffanx> Its
2018-12-21T09:04:38 < Haohmaru> it's
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2018-12-21T09:30:21 < Sadale> oh. altium news again.
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2018-12-21T09:30:33 < Sadale> I wonder what sort of rants you guys would make for this release :P
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2018-12-21T09:45:37 < Haohmaru> who's ronie?
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2018-12-21T09:51:33 < Steffanx> Haohmaru haohru today?
2018-12-21T09:52:01 < Haohmaru> like yesterday
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2018-12-21T10:04:03 < Steffanx> More blunt than the day before?
2018-12-21T10:04:15 < Steffanx> Is there an end to it all?
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2018-12-21T11:32:24 < kakimir> when you add trimmer to resistor divider
2018-12-21T11:32:32 < kakimir> to fine tune it
2018-12-21T11:32:42 < kakimir> do you put it high side or lowside?
2018-12-21T11:32:59 < kakimir> I can't decide
2018-12-21T11:33:49 < kakimir> is this bourns 3005 any good trimmer?
2018-12-21T11:34:14 < kakimir> wirewound doesn't sound good
2018-12-21T11:34:21 < kakimir> I want cermet rite?
2018-12-21T11:57:27 < Haohmaru> u need to read on trimpot feng shui
2018-12-21T11:59:06 < kakimir> yes
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2018-12-21T12:48:24 < qyx> if you cannot decide, put it to both sides
2018-12-21T13:10:23 < Haohmaru> or flip a coin and put it in parallel with the whole divider
2018-12-21T13:10:25  * Haohmaru runs
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2018-12-21T13:17:51 < Thorn> what filesystems do you use for serial flash?
2018-12-21T13:18:08 < kakimir> fat
2018-12-21T13:18:34 < Thorn> preferraby simple, as little overhead as possible and log-structured
2018-12-21T13:19:00 < Thorn> no nested directories etc. is fine
2018-12-21T13:28:28 < qyx> Thorn: I did sffs, not log structured, although designed in a way to not lose consistency
2018-12-21T13:28:32 < qyx> but it is slow as hell
2018-12-21T13:28:34 < qyx> there is spiffs
2018-12-21T13:28:45 < qyx> I did integrate it in one project few days ago, it is usable
2018-12-21T13:29:19 < qyx> and there is also ARM's littlefs
2018-12-21T13:29:25 < qyx> I didn't try this one
2018-12-21T13:31:18 < qyx> I would try littlefs, because ARM
2018-12-21T13:31:27 < qyx> if not, I would fallback to spiffs
2018-12-21T13:31:42 < qyx> and definitely do not try the one made by me
2018-12-21T13:33:00 < Thorn> is it online somewhere
2018-12-21T13:34:23 < qyx> https://github.com/pellepl/spiffs
2018-12-21T13:34:34 < qyx> https://github.com/ARMmbed/littlefs
2018-12-21T13:34:57 < Thorn> I mean the one made by you
2018-12-21T13:35:39 < qyx> https://github.com/iqyx/sffs
2018-12-21T13:35:51 < qyx> but it is old
2018-12-21T13:36:03 < qyx> I don't know how is its completion state
2018-12-21T13:36:15 < qyx> probably garbage collection is not finished
2018-12-21T13:38:37 < qyx> as you can see, it always does linear search for file blocks
2018-12-21T13:59:47 < Thorn> interesting stuff, thanks
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2018-12-21T14:44:27 < jadew> JBP: Clean your room.
2018-12-21T14:44:49 < jadew> Me: Gee man... you're asking a lot.
2018-12-21T14:51:21 < Thorn> should I use a pcb antenna for 868Mhz (sx1276)?
2018-12-21T14:51:31 < Steffanx> No.
2018-12-21T14:52:07 < Thorn> why not
2018-12-21T14:52:21 < Haohmaru> cuz Setffaxn is not in teh mood
2018-12-21T14:52:29 < jpa-> like any antenna, it will work if you design it correctly, and will work badly if you dont
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2018-12-21T15:01:03 < Thorn> or should I use this instead https://www.aliexpress.com/item/50PCS-LOT-868MHZ-Built-in-spring-antenna-2DB-3DB-copper-Gain-impedance-standing-wave-ratio-L/32805063234.html
2018-12-21T15:01:39 < Thorn> >PCB antenna design is fussy and depends on many factors, ie it only takes the fiberglass fibers that make up the PCB structure being aligned differently to affect performance
2018-12-21T15:01:41 < Thorn> wat
2018-12-21T15:08:00 < mawk> it depends on many factor but I don't think the fiberglass play a role
2018-12-21T15:10:08 < Steffanx> Hoahs your mood Haohmaru 
2018-12-21T15:10:26 < Steffanx> Haohs*
2018-12-21T15:11:06 < Thorn> the only thing close to a VNA that I have is a limesdr mini
2018-12-21T15:11:13 < Thorn> which is not very close lol
2018-12-21T15:12:18 < mawk> use a ceramic antenna if you're not a pcb antenna master designer
2018-12-21T15:13:08 < Thorn> from what I've seen they still seem to require a matching network and some pcb layout magic
2018-12-21T15:13:14 < Thorn> -> VNA plz
2018-12-21T15:23:56 < qyx> isn't there a reference design with 50ohm out in the datasheet?
2018-12-21T15:24:15 < qyx> in SX1231 it is for all common frequencies
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2018-12-21T15:50:55 < bitmask> o/
2018-12-21T15:55:39 < Steffanx> Gutenday mr rob235
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2018-12-21T16:26:10 < jadew> cheap microscope upgrade: http://5.12.177.232/stuff/IMG_20181221_161506.jpg
2018-12-21T16:26:57 < jadew> at that magnification, each division is 0.5mm, so the subdivisions are 0.05
2018-12-21T16:28:23 < bitmask> im having troubles designing the pcb case for my pocket :(
2018-12-21T16:28:45 < jadew> pocket heater?
2018-12-21T16:29:10 < bitmask> heated hoodie but the controls go in the pocket 
2018-12-21T16:29:18 < bitmask> chest pocket
2018-12-21T16:29:29 < jadew> make it have pocket
2018-12-21T16:29:39 < jadew> so you can put something in that pocket, while it's in the pocket
2018-12-21T16:30:00 < jadew> * make it have a pocket
2018-12-21T16:30:01 < Steffanx> What is it jadew? Is it sw or..?
2018-12-21T16:30:04 < bitmask> so I need the pcb pushed up against the outer fabric with a cutout for the lcd and stuffs and a faceplate that snaps in to hold it  there and hide the frayed edges of the cutting
2018-12-21T16:30:21 < Steffanx> Cant be sq
2018-12-21T16:30:22 < Steffanx> Sw
2018-12-21T16:30:22 < jadew> Steffanx, nope, an eyepiece graticule
2018-12-21T16:30:32 < Steffanx> Cool. Where did you get it?
2018-12-21T16:30:39 < jadew> ebay, let me get the link
2018-12-21T16:30:59 < jadew> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Microscope-Eyepiece-Graticule-Measuring-Glass-Ø-24-mm-10-mm-100-dev-Stage/221774738411
2018-12-21T16:31:29 < jadew> at 1x, it's 1 cm long
2018-12-21T16:31:48 < jadew> so with a 0.5x barlow lens, it's 1 cm long when you have the dial at 2
2018-12-21T16:32:02 < jadew> (I calibrated mine against a calibration slide)
2018-12-21T16:32:14 < Steffanx> Buying. If it fits my microscope.
2018-12-21T16:32:17 < jadew> the dial's position is not perfect, but now I know where it has to be
2018-12-21T16:32:20 < jadew> wait!
2018-12-21T16:32:26 < jadew> which microscope do you have?
2018-12-21T16:32:32 < jadew> there are two types of eyepieces
2018-12-21T16:32:36 < jadew> (that I know of)
2018-12-21T16:32:45 < jadew> this one is a 24mm version
2018-12-21T16:32:49 < jadew> there are also 19mm versions
2018-12-21T16:33:52 < jadew> this will probably work on most inspection microscopes tho
2018-12-21T16:34:04 < jadew> so if you have something like the amscope, then this is it
2018-12-21T16:34:16 < Steffanx> Yes, i have to look into it.
2018-12-21T16:34:44 < Steffanx> I have the scope from that strangeparts youtube china girl.
2018-12-21T16:35:02 < Steffanx> Youve seen the vid perhaps.
2018-12-21T16:35:08 < jadew> I have not
2018-12-21T16:35:32 < jadew> link?
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2018-12-21T16:50:49 < jadew> I think I'll get one for the biological one too
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2018-12-21T16:59:37 < Steffanx> Will link later today
2018-12-21T17:00:26 < jadew> thanks
2018-12-21T17:01:36 < jadew> there are other shapes available, but I think this one is the best
2018-12-21T17:02:21 < jadew> if you decide to get more of them, you might consider a second eyepiece as well, because mounting them without getting dust on seems like an impossible task
2018-12-21T17:02:41 < jadew> all you can do is try many times until you're happy with the amount of dust you left on it
2018-12-21T17:03:26 < jadew> so it's simpler to just switch the eyepiece than the graticule
2018-12-21T17:07:53 < Steffanx> Heh ok
2018-12-21T17:26:31 < jadew> heh
2018-12-21T17:26:35 < jadew> winter hasn't peaked here yet
2018-12-21T17:26:58 < jadew> has a bit of a phase delay?
2018-12-21T17:29:58 < jadew> we had snow, +10 C now we have snow and -2 C
2018-12-21T17:30:07 < jadew> but it doesn't feel bad enough
2018-12-21T17:30:20 < jadew> !wz bucharest
2018-12-21T17:30:22 < englishbot> [Bucharest, Romania] Overcast. Temp is -2.2°C. SW wind: 1.1 kph. Humidity: 87%.
2018-12-21T17:30:31 < aandrew> lol I'm in toronto. it *rained* today
2018-12-21T17:30:52 < jadew> that's something
2018-12-21T17:31:10 < jadew> shouldn't you have like -10 this time of the year?
2018-12-21T17:32:27 < aandrew> yes
2018-12-21T17:32:32 < aandrew> it's unseasonably warm
2018-12-21T17:32:36 < aandrew> not unheard of
2018-12-21T17:32:46 < aandrew> but still shitty that its not going to be a white christmas
2018-12-21T17:38:22 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZFeCjUpqOI
2018-12-21T17:38:46 < Laurenceb> cant fap to this
2018-12-21T17:39:06 < Laurenceb>  (either of these videos)
2018-12-21T17:39:11 < jadew> Cracki, what?
2018-12-21T17:39:55 < Laurenceb> >I was driven off youtube by nazi hate criminals
2018-12-21T17:39:58 < Laurenceb> my orbital sides
2018-12-21T17:43:46 < Laurenceb> mucricans have trigger happy police
2018-12-21T17:43:52 < Laurenceb> but do they have pedo police https://postimg.cc/mhSZ3FNH
2018-12-21T17:43:58 < jadew> wait, there's a video of this?
2018-12-21T17:44:50 < mawk> liveleak probably
2018-12-21T17:44:52 < jadew> not sure I'd want to see it
2018-12-21T17:45:00 < mawk> sometimes "bestgore" have them
2018-12-21T17:46:12 < mawk> scum muslims here are sharing the video on twitter
2018-12-21T17:46:15 < mawk> and commenting it
2018-12-21T17:46:27 < mawk> the suburban muslim youth
2018-12-21T17:46:53 < mawk> I'd think about the people that know me in that situation, not much about me
2018-12-21T17:47:04 < mawk> the reasoning is simple, if I'm dead I can't be sorry for my own death
2018-12-21T17:47:12 < mawk> nor have regrets for what I didn't do or anything
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2018-12-21T18:11:55 < mawk> lol
2018-12-21T18:18:35 < Laurenceb> > Ms Ueland had been studying outdoor activities at the University of Southeastern Norway.
2018-12-21T18:18:37 < Laurenceb> keek
2018-12-21T18:18:43 < Laurenceb> thats a fail degree
2018-12-21T18:18:47 < mawk> lol
2018-12-21T18:19:57 < karlp> each to their own, 
2018-12-21T18:20:03 < karlp> plenty of work in that field really.
2018-12-21T18:21:06 < jadew> karlp, you mean outdoors?
2018-12-21T18:21:12 < karlp> yeah.
2018-12-21T18:21:44 < karlp> I  know peope with thos sorts of "degrees" and it helped them focus what they were doing, and how they could make it a career properly.
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2018-12-21T18:41:53 < englishman> Thorn: yeah fibreglass has a direction and it can affect your RFs
2018-12-21T18:42:53 < englishman> aandrew raining here too
2018-12-21T18:47:35 < englishman> last week it was -24
2018-12-21T18:51:06 < jadew> what kind of package is this? https://ro.mouser.com/images/yageo/lrg/CC_capacitor_SPL.jpg
2018-12-21T18:51:17 < jadew> looks like a brick
2018-12-21T18:52:20 < jadew> should be 0603, but it doesn't look like it
2018-12-21T18:55:11 < Steffanx> -24F
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2018-12-21T19:15:31 < jadew> lol @ mouser specifications: 0.1 pF capacitor with a tolerance of 0.25 pF
2018-12-21T19:16:09 < jadew> so anywhere between -0.15 and 3.5
2018-12-21T19:16:20 < jadew> 0.35
2018-12-21T19:16:32 < Haohmaru> don't stare at it! it gon' change its capacitance
2018-12-21T19:16:56 < mawk> tolerances for caps are skewed towards the positive jadew no ?
2018-12-21T19:17:01 < mawk> or something like that
2018-12-21T19:17:57 < jadew> mawk, don't know
2018-12-21T19:18:18 < jadew> personal experience says otherwise, but that's just anecdotal evidence
2018-12-21T19:18:35 < jadew> most caps I've measured, measured lower than the nominal value
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2018-12-21T20:06:17 < englishman> with voltage derating, aging, dc bias, and temp derating, that could turn into a 0.1pF cap into a -1uF cap
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2018-12-21T20:10:06 < mawk> negative capacitance would be |C|du/dt = -i
2018-12-21T20:10:10 < mawk> doesn't seem to violate any law
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2018-12-21T20:39:38 < Laurenceb_12> ok who wants to ring Gatwick airport and say you saw a drone?
2018-12-21T20:40:11 < mawk> lol
2018-12-21T20:56:50 < Laurenceb_12> runway literally just got closed because someone did that
2018-12-21T20:56:59 < Laurenceb_12> this is like a magnet for irl trolls
2018-12-21T20:59:00 < kakimir> aviation
2018-12-21T20:59:09 < kakimir> sometimes you forget how it works
2018-12-21T20:59:21 < englishman> attn mawk https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/201812/20/01-5208802-le-terme-douchebag-est-une-insulte-tranche-un-juge.php
2018-12-21T20:59:25 < englishman> breaking french language news
2018-12-21T20:59:47 < Laurenceb_12> wtf lol
2018-12-21T21:00:27 < mawk> lol
2018-12-21T21:00:35 < mawk> judge rules that douchebag is an insult
2018-12-21T21:00:41 < mawk> if that wasn't transparent enough
2018-12-21T21:00:55 < mawk> doens't surprize me, it's Trudeau's country
2018-12-21T21:01:20 < Laurenceb_12> orbital sides https://postimg.cc/bDwW9Cbk
2018-12-21T21:04:32 < englishman> old
2018-12-21T21:04:38 < englishman> what a horrible site that is too
2018-12-21T21:06:19 < kakimir> postimg?
2018-12-21T21:06:43 < englishman> y
2018-12-21T21:06:52 < kakimir> at least it doens't have all the blinking Ads and stuff
2018-12-21T21:06:59 < kakimir> and forced registeration
2018-12-21T21:07:00 < Steffanx> englishman he just uses it to annoy you. He succeeded, again
2018-12-21T21:07:30 < kakimir> but ublock origin of course
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2018-12-21T21:14:50 < Steffanx> jadew: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Minsvision-1080P-HDMI-digital-camera-7-45X-trinocular-stereo-microscope-LED-adjustable-light-source-phone-repair/32880372287.html
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2018-12-21T21:29:28 < kakimir> when do we see first mcu with ANN accelerator
2018-12-21T21:33:07 < Laurenceb_12> keeek
2018-12-21T21:33:25 < Laurenceb_12> >police are looking for a professional electronic engineer in connection with the drone attacks
2018-12-21T21:33:47 < Laurenceb_12> >they believe the drones are very long range and autonomous or connecting via 3G mobile
2018-12-21T21:33:51 < Laurenceb_12> I'm in jail
2018-12-21T21:34:23 < Laurenceb_12> ywlts Ivan Reedman let off because he isn't competent enough to make something that flies
2018-12-21T21:36:44 < kakimir> interesting
2018-12-21T21:37:11 < Laurenceb_12> their "master controller" from DJI and their Mossad jammer both failed
2018-12-21T21:37:31 < kakimir> I wonder how long it takes to realize it might have been foreign state
2018-12-21T21:37:40 < kakimir> not just one lunatic
2018-12-21T21:38:15 < kakimir> interesting
2018-12-21T21:38:39 < ds2> install a phalanx cannon
2018-12-21T21:45:04 < kakimir> it's harder if drone flies in 2km in approach path
2018-12-21T21:45:14 < kakimir> to use hawk
2018-12-21T21:45:39 < mawk> mawk
2018-12-21T21:46:07 < kakimir> use mawk
2018-12-21T21:47:02 < mawk> use a petroleum drone
2018-12-21T21:47:05 < mawk> it's very discret
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2018-12-21T21:48:38 < kakimir> unless you are foreign state
2018-12-21T21:53:18 < kakimir> if you combine all images in social media in that area you could form a pretty nice map
2018-12-21T21:53:54 < kakimir> they probs do it already
2018-12-21T21:54:10 < kakimir> but it's not really the time to release such thing
2018-12-21T21:59:03 < jadew> Steffanx, yeah, looks like the same head I have
2018-12-21T21:59:25 < jadew> is that camera any good?
2018-12-21T22:00:15 < kakimir> can I get lipoly from UK to FIN?
2018-12-21T22:00:51 < kakimir> netherlands works at least
2018-12-21T22:01:03 < kakimir> time to replace laptop battery
2018-12-21T22:01:11 < kakimir> wearlevel 40%
2018-12-21T22:02:15 < jadew> Cracki, no, they're not mislabled, and yeah, they're quite expensive
2018-12-21T22:04:20 < jadew> Cracki, yeah, but if you buy a couple, you can find one that's about what you're after
2018-12-21T22:05:21 < jadew> Cracki, a couple of pF
2018-12-21T22:05:35 < jadew> depends on the dielectric
2018-12-21T22:06:13 < jadew> it's not as practical as it sounds :P
2018-12-21T22:10:26 < jadew> wife walked in when I was watching one of Naomi 'SexyCyborg' Wu's videos
2018-12-21T22:10:46 < jadew> luckily it's the only one where she was fully dressed
2018-12-21T22:11:51 < Steffanx> its ok-ish jadew
2018-12-21T22:11:59 < Steffanx> its hdmi, so.. need a screen for it
2018-12-21T22:12:04 < Steffanx> id rather have something usb
2018-12-21T22:12:12 < Steffanx> @ jadew
2018-12-21T22:12:50 < jadew> yeah, I don't want an extra screen either
2018-12-21T22:13:37 < jadew> how wide?
2018-12-21T22:13:51 < jadew> yeah, it doesn't sound correct
2018-12-21T22:15:39 < jadew> I've used both PCB printed inductors and capacitors and you can get under 1 pF capacitance with a rather small PCB area
2018-12-21T22:15:54 < jadew> (not much under)
2018-12-21T22:16:06 < jadew> yeah
2018-12-21T22:18:36 < jadew> Steffanx, does it at least stay in focus with the eyepieces when you zoom in/out?
2018-12-21T22:19:10 < Steffanx> No, it has a seperate lens.
2018-12-21T22:20:00 < jadew> I've been trying to get my DSLR in there, but had little luck
2018-12-21T22:20:29 < jadew> I think that if you can get a 3rd eyepiece in there, you could make it be in focus with the other two
2018-12-21T22:20:43 < jadew> and then you can just mount some other type of camera on top of that eyepiece
2018-12-21T22:23:38 < Steffanx> a cheapskate hmdi-usb would work. if 1080p
2018-12-21T22:23:47 < Steffanx> would work for me
2018-12-21T22:24:45 < jadew> that's what I was thinking about
2018-12-21T22:24:50 < jadew> one of those microsoft life cams
2018-12-21T22:25:09 < jadew> would be great in there, as long as you had the optics right
2018-12-21T22:26:04 < jadew> I wonder what I have to do to mount a third eyepiece
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2018-12-21T22:26:31 < jadew> that would enable me to just attach a webcam to it and be done
2018-12-21T22:28:54 < jadew> the ones I've read that are any good, all had hdmi
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2018-12-21T22:40:42 < Thorn> >Mfr: ResistorToday
2018-12-21T22:41:04 < Thorn> rt.com diversifies its business?
2018-12-21T22:41:21 < Thorn> Putin's Propaganda and Precision Resistors
2018-12-21T22:50:10 < Steffanx> awh, real chinese camera jadew. Opened it up and all ics lost thir markings -_
2018-12-21T22:50:12 < Steffanx> -_-
2018-12-21T23:11:28 < Steffanx> are you a gentleman like that superbia1 ?
2018-12-21T23:20:07 < Steffanx> it does, you just dotn know yet
2018-12-21T23:20:09 < Thorn> musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNOFJzlfua4
2018-12-21T23:20:48 < Steffanx> better russian music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBSELrm2-g0
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2018-12-21T23:27:01 < Steffanx> Hows the holiday superbia1
2018-12-21T23:27:38 < Laurenceb_12> no holiday for him, he fell for the Chinese waifu meme
2018-12-21T23:28:18 < upgrdman> wuts the chifu meme, Laurenceb_12 ?
2018-12-21T23:28:41 < Laurenceb_12> mail order wife so even incels can get laid
2018-12-21T23:28:52 < Steffanx> boring.
2018-12-21T23:29:06 < upgrdman> lol
2018-12-21T23:29:43 < Laurenceb_12> today I discovered secrit chinese forum where they lol at our failure
2018-12-21T23:29:50 < Laurenceb_12>  (using google translate)
2018-12-21T23:30:44 < Laurenceb_12> they were planning all their brothel and drug den activities in my neighbourhood on there
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2018-12-21T23:31:58 < Laurenceb_12> >western loser pay ukp40 to fugg ugliest grrl in china
2018-12-21T23:40:05 < Laurenceb_12> tfw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwhb3KZ5NLY
2018-12-21T23:40:36 < Steffanx> stop making stupid people famous Laurenceb_12 .
2018-12-21T23:41:05 < Laurenceb_12> keek sorry
2018-12-21T23:41:57 < Laurenceb_12> still not as goofy as most Russian rappers
2018-12-21T23:44:48 < Laurenceb_12> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoVaHeSpigA
2018-12-21T23:45:24 < englishman> important news: tls cert renewed on https://www.worksonmymachine.pro/
2018-12-21T23:45:38 < englishman> browse securely with confidence
2018-12-21T23:45:49 < Laurenceb_12> wtf
2018-12-21T23:48:59 < Laurenceb_12> https://postimg.cc/bsXHcq9r
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2018-12-21T23:50:41 < Laurenceb_12> oh wow https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1428408/Suicide-by-DIY-guillotine-and-an-ingenious-timing-device.html
2018-12-21T23:51:04 < Laurenceb_12> >when ppl say mak:ers have never achieved anything
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2018-12-21T23:54:27 < Laurenceb_12> no arduino or iot integration
2018-12-21T23:55:14 < zyp> internet of suicide
2018-12-21T23:57:12 < englishman> https://v.redd.it/vld6mim30l521/DASH_9_6_M
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2018-12-22T00:01:26 < aandrew> Jesus re: decapitation 
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2018-12-22T00:10:33 < kakimir> how is innovation?
2018-12-22T00:11:37 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhrrQi5JHgk&feature=youtu.be&t=229 musk
2018-12-22T00:18:38 < Laurenceb_12> oh wow
2018-12-22T00:18:52 < Laurenceb_12> >drone video is actually the police helicopter
2018-12-22T00:18:58 < Laurenceb_12> mass hysteria confirmed
2018-12-22T00:20:04 < Laurenceb_12> the only known video of the "drone"
2018-12-22T00:20:14 < Laurenceb_12> they reported police heli as the drone
2018-12-22T00:22:49 < Laurenceb_12> >took 2 days for "pro" video analysts to actually look at the video
2018-12-22T00:23:07 < Laurenceb_12> ikr, a dji drone prob wount totaly wreck an engine
2018-12-22T00:23:20 < Laurenceb_12> it's prob have to come back in to land
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2018-12-22T00:38:00 < Laurenceb_12> inb4 Davey is the MGTOW guy
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2018-12-22T00:57:52 < Rajko> can i have an ADC in the background averaging BILLIONS OF SAMPLES ?
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2018-12-22T00:59:06 < Rajko> like run the adc in the background for 10ms with no interrupts and get one sample out
2018-12-22T01:02:47 < Rajko> i know i can take enough samples to fill a DMA buffer and get an interrupt, and in the interrupt average all the samples but thats not what im about
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2018-12-22T01:04:31 < catphish> Rajko: no, it can do some averaging, but not an unlimited amount
2018-12-22T01:04:41 < Rajko> yeah
2018-12-22T01:04:47 < catphish> Rajko: large dma buffer is likely what you want
2018-12-22T01:05:08 < Rajko> yeah but then in the interrupt i have to loop that entire buffer and add it up
2018-12-22T01:05:18 < Rajko> dead time
2018-12-22T01:05:37 < Rajko> i can double buffer it but then that adds complexity
2018-12-22T01:05:41 < Rajko> and can miss buffers
2018-12-22T01:07:17 < Rajko> lol i just want to avoid adding a 220uF capacitor to smooth out a 250hz PWM signal
2018-12-22T01:07:18 < catphish> Rajko: you might be better off interrupting more regularly and just adding to a total
2018-12-22T01:07:40 < Rajko> its a large cap
2018-12-22T01:08:13 < catphish> the ADC can definitely do *some* averaging, to leverage that to interrupt less often, and run longer samples, which give you more accuracy by hardware means
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2018-12-22T01:08:38 < Rajko> i just meant continuous
2018-12-22T01:09:05 < Rajko> it would need to average 1/125s worth of samples
2018-12-22T01:09:07 < Rajko> to get one value
2018-12-22T01:09:09 < catphish> i don't understand this requirement at all
2018-12-22T01:09:22 < catphish> ^ this
2018-12-22T01:09:36 < catphish> if the input is pwm i'd be using a timer, not an ADC
2018-12-22T01:09:37 < Rajko> wastes a timer
2018-12-22T01:09:47 < Rajko> i aint usin adcs for anything
2018-12-22T01:10:19 < catphish> <Rajko> can i have an ADC in the background averaging BILLIONS OF SAMPLES ?
2018-12-22T01:10:20 < catphish> <Rajko> i aint usin adcs for anything
2018-12-22T01:11:09 < Rajko> yes
2018-12-22T01:11:13 < catphish> oh, you mean the adc is spare so you want to use it
2018-12-22T01:11:50 < catphish> sounds too messy, i'm not getting involved :)
2018-12-22T01:12:30 < Rajko> im already using 3 timers
2018-12-22T01:12:31 < Rajko> chained
2018-12-22T01:13:02 < Rajko> get pulse
2018-12-22T01:13:08 < Rajko> wait N us
2018-12-22T01:13:17 < Rajko> activate output for M us
2018-12-22T01:13:20 < Rajko> all single shot
2018-12-22T01:14:08 < Rajko> the PWM shit might nto even a PWM
2018-12-22T01:14:11 < Rajko> might just be a trim pot
2018-12-22T01:14:15 < Rajko> thats why i use ADC
2018-12-22T01:14:29 < Rajko> and i would average lots of ADC samples so i can use smaller caps
2018-12-22T01:14:58 < Rajko> it can be either
2018-12-22T01:15:12 < Rajko> adc works universally, with cap
2018-12-22T01:16:10 < Rajko> lol why
2018-12-22T01:16:15 < Rajko> with 220uF cap the pwm is a flat line
2018-12-22T01:16:46 < Rajko> i can use a smaller, SMD ceramic cap
2018-12-22T01:16:54 < Rajko> and average a bunch of adc samples
2018-12-22T01:17:05 < Rajko> which is what i wanted to do, just asking if it can do it automatically
2018-12-22T01:18:03 < Rajko> 37mV vpp of sawtooth with only 44uF cap
2018-12-22T01:18:18 < Rajko> 10mV vpp of sawtooth with 150uF cap
2018-12-22T01:19:07 < Rajko> except... thats how all of them are ?
2018-12-22T01:21:36 < Rajko> am i wasteful by using 3 timers
2018-12-22T01:21:42 < Rajko> for a simple delay + pulse
2018-12-22T01:22:02 < Rajko> get EXTI, oneshot one timer to do the delay
2018-12-22T01:22:17 < Rajko> when that timer is done, it triggers another timer to do the pulse of specific width
2018-12-22T01:22:36 < Rajko> they are all prescaled to microsecond resolution
2018-12-22T01:22:49 < Rajko> you cant master a timer to itself ?
2018-12-22T01:22:54 < Rajko> master/slave trigger
2018-12-22T01:23:04 < Rajko> they are both configured at the same time
2018-12-22T01:23:08 < Rajko> then first is fired
2018-12-22T01:24:15 < Rajko> oh and one is used just as a microsecond timer to count the time between EXTI
2018-12-22T01:24:24 < Rajko> so thats 3
2018-12-22T01:25:32 < Rajko> explain how
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2018-12-22T01:27:24 < Rajko> they dont really have 2 registers like that as far as ive seen
2018-12-22T01:28:14 < Rajko> theres only one autoreload register
2018-12-22T01:28:32 < Rajko> and it just outputs 1/interrupts/triggers the slave once it reaches that value
2018-12-22T01:30:29 < Rajko> i need to software trigger the entire thingamajig
2018-12-22T01:30:54 < Rajko> nah systick is only 1ms
2018-12-22T01:31:02 < Rajko> and getting it down to 1us would mean massive interrupts
2018-12-22T01:31:12 < Rajko> i can use DWT but then debugging can mess it up
2018-12-22T01:31:38 < Rajko> how do i configure both phase and width on ONE timer
2018-12-22T01:31:45 < Rajko> and also trigger it with software
2018-12-22T01:32:16 < Rajko> theres only one register to put the number of ticks in
2018-12-22T01:33:03 < Rajko> oh and i also need the complementary pin to work right
2018-12-22T01:33:19 < Rajko> always the inverse of the output pin
2018-12-22T01:34:19 < Rajko> this means it needs to output during the "phase" time as well
2018-12-22T01:34:26 < Rajko> on the complementary
2018-12-22T01:34:58 < Rajko> too many documentations thats too confusing
2018-12-22T01:35:52 < Rajko> cant find shit
2018-12-22T01:36:38 < Rajko> STM32F103RBT6
2018-12-22T01:38:19 < Rajko> its too manual
2018-12-22T01:38:23 < Rajko> give code to paste pls
2018-12-22T01:38:33 < qyx> pls
2018-12-22T01:38:35 < Rajko> no i use stdperiph
2018-12-22T01:39:09 < Rajko> stdperiph is whats in cmsis
2018-12-22T01:39:13 < qyx> the pwm mode is max 10 lines even in libopencm3
2018-12-22T01:39:21 < Rajko> its not a pwm tho
2018-12-22T01:39:56 < qyx> ok, so ext trigger to reset it
2018-12-22T01:39:59 < Rajko> its a software triggered oneshot pulse after a delay
2018-12-22T01:40:36 < qyx> whz software triggered?
2018-12-22T01:40:57 < qyx> aha
2018-12-22T01:41:17 < qyx> interesting
2018-12-22T01:41:36 < qyx> I would think timers shouldmcatch them too
2018-12-22T01:41:40 < Rajko> nope
2018-12-22T01:41:43 < Rajko> timer inputs are clocked
2018-12-22T01:44:24 < Rajko> freerunning means you can overflow
2018-12-22T01:44:28 < Rajko> and then have an if to compare
2018-12-22T01:44:36 < Rajko> easier to just reload it every read
2018-12-22T01:44:49 < qyx> owerflowmis easy
2018-12-22T01:44:53 < qyx> yes
2018-12-22T01:44:56 < qyx> no if needed
2018-12-22T01:44:57 < Rajko> yes but this way i can check if it took too long
2018-12-22T01:45:03 < Rajko> by checking the timer overflow bit
2018-12-22T01:45:09 < Rajko> and then reset my average
2018-12-22T01:45:21 < Rajko> while a freerunning timer will always be overflowed
2018-12-22T01:47:06 < Rajko> i lied when i said i dont use the adc for anything
2018-12-22T01:47:09 < Rajko> i use it to debounce buttons.
2018-12-22T01:48:27 < Rajko> theres 2 buttons per pin, thats why ADC
2018-12-22T01:48:43 < Rajko> its super common.
2018-12-22T01:48:57 < Rajko> one pulls it down lower than the other
2018-12-22T01:50:00 < Rajko> smaller ribbon cables
2018-12-22T01:50:01 < zyp> ADC for buttons is common for button panels in monitors and shit
2018-12-22T01:50:04 < Rajko> can snake through smaller holes
2018-12-22T01:50:29 < zyp> just one signal for all buttons, bunch of resistors in series, one button hooked to each tap
2018-12-22T01:50:55 < Rajko> yeah i try not to overdo it so i can press more than one button at a time sometimes
2018-12-22T01:51:38 < zyp> Rajko, why not do a scan matrix instead though?
2018-12-22T01:51:51 < Rajko> Cracki, theres a couple of ways of doing it
2018-12-22T01:53:08 < zyp> sounds noise sensitive :)
2018-12-22T01:53:51 < Rajko> good enough for 6 butans
2018-12-22T01:57:07 < zyp> yeah
2018-12-22T01:57:08 < Laurenceb_12> wtf
2018-12-22T01:57:18 < Laurenceb_12> yeah just make it diital
2018-12-22T01:57:33 < Laurenceb_12> keeek
2018-12-22T01:57:37 < zyp> I think I'd rather use a shift register or an i2c io expander or something than dick around with resistors and adc
2018-12-22T01:57:45 < Laurenceb_12> was wondering when he would be referenced
2018-12-22T01:58:14 < zyp> but then again I don't do anything where the cost difference matters anyway :p
2018-12-22T01:58:52 < zyp> you can throw on a whole mcu, but then you get to maintain firmware for it
2018-12-22T02:00:08 < zyp> :)
2018-12-22T02:00:41 < zyp> aren't moderm mcus more powerful than p2 anyway?
2018-12-22T02:01:01 < zyp> yeah
2018-12-22T02:01:21 < zyp> stm32h7 does 400 MHz
2018-12-22T02:01:39 < zyp> although I think x86 gets more MIPS/MHz than cortex-m
2018-12-22T02:01:57 < zyp> so p2 might still be ahead in actual performance
2018-12-22T02:02:01 < zyp> mp1?
2018-12-22T02:02:24 < zyp> wat, cortex-a stm2
2018-12-22T02:02:24 < zyp> 32
2018-12-22T02:02:37 < zyp> yeah, found some shit on google
2018-12-22T02:02:42 < zyp> dual a7 apparently
2018-12-22T02:03:26 < zyp> wonder how much it has in common with cortex-m stm32
2018-12-22T02:03:39 < zyp> possibly not much more than the name :)
2018-12-22T02:05:18 < zyp> :D
2018-12-22T02:06:46 < zyp> I'm still looking forward to more multicore stm32s, apart from stm32wb
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2018-12-22T02:07:10 < Rajko> except they dont got no RAM
2018-12-22T02:07:37 < zyp> some general purpose stm32 with a m4 and a m0+ or even two m4s would be useful
2018-12-22T02:08:33 < zyp> I figure one core dedicated to low-latency processing
2018-12-22T02:10:12 < Rajko> is that the planet coooor
2018-12-22T02:11:42 < zyp> my 3d printer firmware shit runs the motion code in a 100 kHz timer interrupt, I bet the interrupt overhead is pretty crazy
2018-12-22T02:12:27 < zyp> would have been nice to be able to just dedicate a core to that, avoiding all context switching overhead
2018-12-22T02:13:57 < Rajko> 12 cycles
2018-12-22T02:14:01 < Rajko> 6 cycles if already in interrupt
2018-12-22T02:14:05 < zyp> it depends
2018-12-22T02:14:52 < zyp> when going from thread to handler mode and back, hardware needs to stack all registers that may be overwritten
2018-12-22T02:15:18 < zyp> and my motion code is also using the FPU, so that includes those as well
2018-12-22T02:19:03 < zyp> hmm
2018-12-22T02:20:32 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/sX4wW <- the ISR is actually fairly big
2018-12-22T02:20:55 < zyp> and this is running on a f401, so at 100 kHz it has around 1000 cycles per iteration
2018-12-22T02:21:38 < zyp> I'm not sure how that actually works out, but it runs and the other code doesn't seem to be starved for cpu time
2018-12-22T02:21:52 < zyp> 96 MHz IIRC
2018-12-22T02:22:32 < zyp> ah, no, 84 MHz
2018-12-22T02:23:12 < zyp> and hopefully no looping :)
2018-12-22T02:23:55 < zyp> on the other hand, it might be saturating the cpu sporadically
2018-12-22T02:24:38 < zyp> IIRC a saturated cpu would just make it move slower
2018-12-22T02:25:09 < zyp> and if it only happens for short periods it probably don't interfere with the other tasks (heater management, usb comms, etc…)
2018-12-22T02:25:58 < zyp> haha
2018-12-22T02:26:38 < zyp> I like that you can just feed it to a timer in stm32 and have it decode it for you
2018-12-22T02:27:09 < Laurenceb_12> oh wow this is a new one https://mobile.twitter.com/carolecadwalla
2018-12-22T02:27:21 < Laurenceb_12> >Brexit was a hedge fund short
2018-12-22T02:28:55 < zyp> Cracki, haha, reminds me of when I implemented 8.24 fixedpoint multiplication or something like that on avr8
2018-12-22T02:30:24 < zyp> I remember this was when I was fresh out of uni, first project at my first programming job
2018-12-22T02:31:34 < zyp> oh, they didn't make me do it
2018-12-22T02:31:48 < zyp> I already had some floating point code that worked, but it was slow
2018-12-22T02:32:16 < zyp> so I rewrote it to use uint32s instead, IIRC with 8.24 format
2018-12-22T02:33:02 < zyp> 8.24 * 8.24 is 16.48, so to get 8.24 out of that in standard C, you need to do a uint64 multiplication and shift by 24
2018-12-22T02:33:42 < zyp> IIRC that won a little bit of speed over softfloat, but it was still pretty slow
2018-12-22T02:34:26 < zyp> 8.8 * 8.8 results in 16.16, not 8.24
2018-12-22T02:34:54 < zyp> but yeah, you have a point, I guess one could extract 4.12 and multiply 4.12 by 4.12 :p
2018-12-22T02:35:20 < zyp> yeah
2018-12-22T02:35:38 < zyp> depends on the range of the values you're multiplying
2018-12-22T02:36:06 < zyp> IIRC my values were ±1.0 or so
2018-12-22T02:36:32 < zyp> I think they were unit vectors
2018-12-22T02:36:39 < zyp> or maybe it was unit quaternions
2018-12-22T02:38:26 < zyp> anyway, I ended up spending a while figuring out how to chain together the 8*8 muls to give me 8.24*8.24->8.24
2018-12-22T02:39:08 < zyp> ended up with some inline asm with 16 muls and a bunch of adds
2018-12-22T02:39:32 < zyp> IIRC it was 3-4 times faster than the original softfloat code
2018-12-22T02:39:52 < zyp> while the int64 version was only like 30% faster than the original
2018-12-22T02:41:30 < zyp> not the most useful code I've written, but it was an interesting exercise
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2018-12-22T03:59:28 < dongs> is there a way to submit product description edits to mouser/digikey
2018-12-22T04:00:08 < dongs> ok i see it
2018-12-22T04:00:10 < dongs> 'see an error' link
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2018-12-22T06:22:15 < aandrew> lol dongs congrats
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2018-12-22T06:26:33 < englishman> this samsung pay stuff is pretty cool
2018-12-22T06:26:48 < englishman> the $100 transaction limit of nfc is bypassed by spoofing magstripe
2018-12-22T06:27:07 < englishman> all the membership cards are in the same app so i basically dont need a wallet anymore
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2018-12-22T07:23:56 < jadew> anyone heard of Diotec Semiconductor?
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2018-12-22T07:33:39 < Thorn> I think I have some diotec diodes or tvs or something
2018-12-22T07:38:27 < jadew> I'm buying some transistors from them, and I wanted to make sure it's not some chinese no-name company
2018-12-22T07:38:32 < jadew> turns out they're germans
2018-12-22T07:42:34 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fJKdEL9XNg
2018-12-22T07:43:25 < jadew> and in the morning, you can just set them free in the neighbour's garden
2018-12-22T07:52:00 < jadew> that was a good video Thorn
2018-12-22T07:55:04 < jadew> Cracki, what does it mean?
2018-12-22T07:55:12 < Thorn> https://lcsc.com/brand-detail/11525.html
2018-12-22T07:55:31 < jadew> ah, hehe
2018-12-22T07:55:44 < Thorn> >(DIOTEC) Made in Asia Brands
2018-12-22T07:55:48 < jadew> yeah :)
2018-12-22T07:56:20 < englishman> awesome Thorn
2018-12-22T07:57:30 < jadew> englishman, if you build one, you won't have to buy food for your cat anymore
2018-12-22T08:02:42 < Thorn> that guy has been doing mousetrap videos for years btw. he is like Cody of mousetraps
2018-12-22T08:10:40 < Thorn> does Altium Disaster compare PCB to schematics (netlist) when you DRC?
2018-12-22T08:10:48 < Thorn> diptrace has a separate command for that
2018-12-22T08:12:40 < englishman> hmm, wouldn't that be when you sync sch and pcb
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2018-12-22T09:20:40 < zyp> yeah, that would be sync, doesn't have anything to do with DRC
2018-12-22T09:59:59 < Thorn> turns out you can disable dx/dy in the HUD by pressing shift+D
2018-12-22T10:00:10 < Thorn> why on earth would anyone want to do that
2018-12-22T10:00:19 < Thorn> Altium Disaster
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2018-12-22T11:15:26 < Steffanx> Wb
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2018-12-22T11:52:23 < rajkosto> Cracki, hey, the PWM 2 mode of the timer you wanted me to use seems to require external stimulus, how do i trigger it from the CPU ?
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2018-12-22T12:20:10 < jadew> https://youtu.be/uNn6q0TXdDM?t=1490
2018-12-22T12:27:29 < Steffanx> Ty
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2018-12-22T15:24:51 < Thorn> >Continue to monitor upper level winds. Pushing T-0 to 9:21 a.m. EST, 14:21 UTC
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2018-12-22T15:42:23 < bitmask> sometimes designing parts is fun, but when its not, its really really not
2018-12-22T15:42:27 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/DCZKEdz
2018-12-22T15:43:01 < bitmask> I dont really like it but oh well
2018-12-22T15:45:22 < Thorn> https://i.imgur.com/zy6kimK.gifv
2018-12-22T15:54:03 < Steffanx> Kept waiting for a third
2018-12-22T16:01:52 < Thorn> GPS III Space Vehicle 01 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVIrgayWlI0
2018-12-22T16:02:08 < Thorn> station, houston, you are go for muzak
2018-12-22T16:02:15 < Thorn> https://i.imgur.com/S0tUJYl.gifv
2018-12-22T16:08:27 < Thorn> webcast starting
2018-12-22T16:08:55 < Steffanx> affirmative
2018-12-22T16:10:00 < Steffanx> awh no recover
2018-12-22T16:10:00 < Steffanx> y
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2018-12-22T16:17:42 < Steffanx> and done...
2018-12-22T16:20:22 < Thorn> they're launching or what
2018-12-22T16:20:38 < Thorn> >on internal power, in startup
2018-12-22T16:20:45 < bitmask> lame
2018-12-22T16:20:52 < bitmask> hodl hodl hodl
2018-12-22T16:20:54 < Thorn> there is the hold
2018-12-22T16:21:54 < Steffanx> it was there 5 min ago, when i said it :P
2018-12-22T16:21:55 < bitmask> how much money did they just waste
2018-12-22T16:22:06 < Steffanx> "waste"?
2018-12-22T16:22:29 < bitmask> setting it up just to stop
2018-12-22T16:26:28 < Steffanx> not a single dollar
2018-12-22T16:27:17 < bitmask> well thats not true but probably close
2018-12-22T16:27:54 < bitmask> the fuel can just be saved I guess
2018-12-22T16:28:17 < Steffanx> it all depends on your definitions of "waste"
2018-12-22T16:28:41 < Steffanx> when you still use this situation to gather information is the money wasted?
2018-12-22T16:28:47 < bitmask> well the cloud of whatever, hydrogen? not sure what that process is
2018-12-22T16:29:07 < bitmask> how did they gather information? the wind was too strong and they scrubbed it
2018-12-22T16:29:24 < Steffanx> but they said they'd still continue a bit to gather information about stuff
2018-12-22T16:29:35 < Steffanx> and then the stream ended
2018-12-22T16:29:37 < bitmask> oh, didnt hear that
2018-12-22T16:30:40 < Steffanx> :P
2018-12-22T16:34:40 < dongs> did they abort
2018-12-22T16:35:05 < bitmask> yes
2018-12-22T16:35:06 < bitmask> too windy
2018-12-22T16:35:30 < dongs> RIP
2018-12-22T16:41:09 < Steffanx> sleep well
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2018-12-22T16:58:36 < jadew> scammers are getting really good
2018-12-22T16:59:05 < Steffanx> ?
2018-12-22T16:59:12 < jadew> I just got an e-mail saying a service that I use, tried to charge me but my payment method didn't work, so they're asking me to update my details :)
2018-12-22T16:59:23 < jadew> the e-mail looks very legit
2018-12-22T16:59:51 < jadew> except it comes from a stupid e-mail address and on the wrong e-mails address that I use for that service, but still, I can see that working
2018-12-22T17:00:25 < jadew> it's for an e-mail service provider
2018-12-22T17:00:47 < jadew> (for sending only)
2018-12-22T17:01:29 < jadew> so they checked my DNS records for the DKIM and based on that they knew I use that service
2018-12-22T17:01:46 < jadew> then they used the e-mail address they found on the website
2018-12-22T17:03:11 < jadew> it comes at a great time too, because just last week I sent ~400k emails for a customer, but from their account
2018-12-22T17:03:22 < jadew> I thought I messed up and used mine by mistake
2018-12-22T17:06:20 < jadew> do people working in gold mines go through metal detectors when they go home?
2018-12-22T17:06:26 < Thorn> jadew is moonlighting as a spammer?
2018-12-22T17:07:04 < jadew> Thorn, no, it was a legit notification
2018-12-22T17:08:32 < jadew> but since it wasn't a regular occurence, their system wasn't capable of delivering it
2018-12-22T17:16:38 < dongs> i didn't know lolrence/b/ lived near gatwick airport
2018-12-22T17:18:14 < jadew> they arrested two people
2018-12-22T17:18:17 < jadew> how did they find them?
2018-12-22T17:19:02 < dongs> black vans i would presume
2018-12-22T17:26:31 < dongs> https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-c-programming-guide/index.html#arithmetic-instructions__throughput-native-arithmetic-instructions
2018-12-22T17:26:35 < dongs> huh, thats interesting
2018-12-22T17:26:47 < dongs> integer compute reduced nearly 2.5x from oldest cuda to newest
2018-12-22T17:26:55 < dongs> and 2x from 1080 to 2080
2018-12-22T17:27:01 < dongs> number of ops per clock cycle
2018-12-22T17:27:23 < dongs> i even double checked to make sure compute capability numbers didn't go backwards or something
2018-12-22T17:27:38 < dongs> not only integer too, most other ops reduced as well
2018-12-22T17:28:04 < dongs> do any of you niggers do integer stuff on cuda
2018-12-22T17:51:23 < Steffanx> We niggers dont cuda.
2018-12-22T17:51:36 < Steffanx> God doesnt allow us to do that
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2018-12-22T18:36:50 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zewyvQEqsS4 musk - long version
2018-12-22T18:36:57 < kakimir> the musk
2018-12-22T18:47:11 < kakimir> kaki track of friday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbudFAFaT40
2018-12-22T18:51:33 < Steffanx> Time to find a good saturday track
2018-12-22T18:52:13 < kakimir> shit
2018-12-22T18:52:16 < kakimir> me a mess
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2018-12-22T19:37:10 < Laurenceb_12> >A new boy band of questionable character dubbed the Breunion Boys has been formed in a 'desperate' bid to change the mind of people who voted to leave the European Union.
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2018-12-22T19:55:33 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdS9iq9-Kps peaceful saturday music kakimir
2018-12-22T19:57:49 < Steffanx> si
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2018-12-22T20:02:31 < Steffanx> You'd think musk had his own weather control device by now
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2018-12-22T20:57:47 < bitmask> nice, I'm finally getting somewhere with this front pocket case, just gotta start tweaking shit now
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2018-12-22T21:52:08 < Steffanx> Hah
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2018-12-22T22:16:47 < Laurenceb_12> Dave is here O_o
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2018-12-22T22:31:04 < bitmask> thank god for super glue
2018-12-22T23:02:07 < Steffanx> yw rob235
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2018-12-22T23:07:29 < superbia> herzlich willkommen
2018-12-22T23:10:51 < Laurenceb_12> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=46795.1380
2018-12-22T23:11:06 < Laurenceb_12> possible titanium bigspacething under construction
2018-12-22T23:17:03 < Laurenceb_12> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/assets/47001.0/1534178.jpg
2018-12-22T23:17:49 < superbia> why are you following nasa like a little dog
2018-12-22T23:18:41 < Laurenceb_12> >nasa
2018-12-22T23:18:50 < Laurenceb_12> its just the forum name
2018-12-22T23:19:10 < Laurenceb_12> this is the elon musk crazyproject irl
2018-12-22T23:19:29 < Laurenceb_12> moar parts https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/assets/47001.0/1534809.jpg
2018-12-22T23:31:20 < Laurenceb_12> ywlts future of space exploration built in a field
2018-12-22T23:33:13 < superbia> real blogs news Laurenceb_12 https://gradha.github.io/articles/2018/11/package-managers-the-lazy-alternative-to-git-submodules.html
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2018-12-23T00:00:37 < Laurenceb_12> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/20/great-pacific-garbage-patch-20m-cleanup-fails-to-collect-plastic
2018-12-23T00:02:39 < superbia> delft
2018-12-23T00:04:02 < superbia> np
2018-12-23T00:48:20 < Steffanx> Welcome superbia, hows the day
2018-12-23T00:50:01 < superbia> welcome brother, waiting for santa gift
2018-12-23T00:50:25 < Steffanx> Hm
2018-12-23T00:50:35 < Steffanx> Its not xmas yet
2018-12-23T00:51:33 < superbia> i am waiting the delivery boi, were you good this year ? or were you bad bad boy
2018-12-23T00:53:51 < Steffanx> Idk. Im not the one to judge. Ill ask santa
2018-12-23T00:54:36 < superbia> https://yushakobo.jp/shop/helix-keyboard-kit/
2018-12-23T00:58:25 < Steffanx> Whokay...
2018-12-23T01:00:46 < rajkosto> wtf is the panel in altium that let me see all components and their values and sort by value
2018-12-23T01:00:59 < rajkosto> i can only find sch list now that doesnt have components as an object type, just designator
2018-12-23T01:02:29 < rajkosto> (even better would be able to see Value in PCB list, not just comment)
2018-12-23T01:03:41 < rajkosto> because this sucks https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-23_00-03-40_ZX7q4g4Um.png
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2018-12-23T02:45:37 < dongs> rajkosto: what
2018-12-23T02:45:39 < dongs> youre doing it wrong
2018-12-23T02:45:52 < rajkosto> sch list lets me choose part yes i had it wrong
2018-12-23T02:46:07 < rajkosto> and then you gotta reorganize the columns to see description
2018-12-23T02:46:11 < dongs> 'comment' must include all the info you need to carry over from sch to pcb
2018-12-23T02:46:24 < rajkosto> i aint gonna make a component per value
2018-12-23T02:46:32 < rajkosto> value is what you edit
2018-12-23T02:46:36 < rajkosto> blech
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2018-12-23T03:00:30 < dongs> ?
2018-12-23T03:00:32 < dongs> haha value
2018-12-23T03:00:34 < dongs> are you retarded
2018-12-23T03:00:37 < dongs> thats not how altium works
2018-12-23T03:02:29 < dongs> easiest way to make sure you ca n actually see values of parts on PCB is to have comment with some standard pattern that all the parts use. I do for example "CAP0603 100nF 16V X7R"
2018-12-23T03:02:31 < dongs> or CAP0805 etc etc.
2018-12-23T03:02:56 < dongs> for caps/res i also have a value parameter, which is waht gets shown in schematic
2018-12-23T03:03:08 < dongs> that one usually just says 100nF or 10uF 50V (i.e. adding voltage for visual
2018-12-23T03:03:23 < dongs> for res, same thing, RES0603 10K in comment, 10K in Value parameter
2018-12-23T03:03:52 < dongs> this way when you sync to pcb, you always keep all the params about a part, since comment is the only field thats shared and parameters arent
2018-12-23T03:04:37 < dongs> also when you click parts on pcb layout etc you only see their comment
2018-12-23T03:04:40 < dongs> and nothing else
2018-12-23T03:05:10 < dongs> so if all your shit has comment of "LOL RESISTOR" you're gonna have a hard time navigating through your shit
2018-12-23T03:05:48 < rajkosto> dongs, what about description
2018-12-23T03:06:02 < rajkosto> you would think description or value passes through, not COMMENT
2018-12-23T03:06:15 < rajkosto> which i ahve as LOL RESISTOR for resistors when i made them
2018-12-23T03:06:25 < dongs> i usually put descriptive stuff there from datasheet like "High Efficiency, Synchronous Buck Controller" or etc.
2018-12-23T03:06:40 < dongs> but its only for visual, it's not needed for layout.
2018-12-23T03:08:07 < dongs> not saying my way is best/whatever but thats what works for me. real "proper" altidumb expects you to haev a sch symbol for EACH resistor value etc.
2018-12-23T03:08:11 < dongs> which is pretty fucktarded.
2018-12-23T03:08:35 < dongs> i just have generic RES0603, CAP0805, etc which i copypaste and change comment+value when a new one is introduced
2018-12-23T03:08:49 < dongs> some people go even further and just have a RES or CAP with all the different footprints
2018-12-23T03:09:14 < dongs> i forgot why I didn't like that, mabe again something to do with sch>pcb sync
2018-12-23T03:30:13 < aandrew> damn
2018-12-23T03:30:30 < aandrew> thank you dongs, I know exactly what I am going to do with every sch I ever have to release now
2018-12-23T03:30:45 < aandrew> I'm going to change all the comments to LOL RESISTOR etc
2018-12-23T03:32:26 < rajkosto> dongs, yeah but i only see the value on the schematic so i forget to change description or comment
2018-12-23T03:32:41 < rajkosto> and then i have to hunt them down
2018-12-23T03:32:45 < rajkosto> as theres no way to sort by value in sch list
2018-12-23T03:33:28 < aandrew> my schematics are a bit of a mixed bag as to whether i"m displaying description or value
2018-12-23T03:34:07 < aandrew> the altium vault likes using "ohms" and "farads" so that the value is 10000 or 0.000000001 which makes sense on some level but I just don't like it
2018-12-23T03:34:28 < rajkosto> i cant use the new components thing in 19
2018-12-23T03:34:37 < rajkosto> just says "Parameter not set to instance of object" if i try to place or download
2018-12-23T03:34:38 < rajkosto> which si good
2018-12-23T03:34:42 < rajkosto> vault components suck
2018-12-23T03:35:34 < dongs> rajkosto: you have to learn not to forget
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2018-12-23T03:37:43 < rajkosto> i dont use it often enough to do
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2018-12-23T05:48:02 < jadew> morning
2018-12-23T05:57:10 < jadew> another cancelation?
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2018-12-23T08:14:44 < englishman> dongs
2018-12-23T08:14:45 < englishman> protip
2018-12-23T08:14:53 < englishman> use the sch value, voltage etc shits
2018-12-23T08:15:39 < englishman> then put =Value =Voltage etc in comment field
2018-12-23T08:18:15 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/9jC9HXx.png
2018-12-23T08:56:12 < englishman> crt https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/The_Six_Platonic_Solids.png
2018-12-23T09:01:09 < englishman> the pinnacle of lunix technology
2018-12-23T09:03:14 < englishman> no
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2018-12-23T09:17:36 < englishman> no
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2018-12-23T09:36:42 < Thorn> so Altium Disaster can only group BOM by 2 columns (comment and footprint) and you can't add any other columns to the group by list?
2018-12-23T09:36:55 < Thorn> iirc diptrace can group by any column(s)
2018-12-23T09:37:00 < Thorn> Altium Disaster
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2018-12-23T10:04:24 < Thorn> and you can't output parameters in BOM?
2018-12-23T10:05:53 < englishman> no
2018-12-23T10:06:01 < englishman> you link them into the comment field
2018-12-23T10:07:07 < englishman> it's this way because bom/pickplace outputs necessairly need to be a subset of the very descriptive schematic data
2018-12-23T10:13:19 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEKdzpcbh-U
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2018-12-23T10:17:10 < Thorn> are inverting op amp inputs better protected from esd than non-inverting inputs (thanks to virtual ground)?
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2018-12-23T11:19:34 < Steffanx> U233 crt.
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2018-12-23T11:31:03 < Steffanx> Welcome
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2018-12-23T12:18:15 < dongs> < englishman> then put =Value =Voltage etc in comment field
2018-12-23T12:18:17 < dongs> lol no.
2018-12-23T12:18:25 < dongs> in BOM that just looks like RES0603 =Value
2018-12-23T12:18:32 < dongs> and on PCB etc.
2018-12-23T12:18:37 < dongs> its not a dynamic substitute
2018-12-23T12:24:14 < dongs> s t o n e d
2018-12-23T12:45:00 < Steffanx> Drugs is bad mkay
2018-12-23T12:51:59 < Thorn> c00be 5.0.0 in mac os doesn't understand apple+C/V keys any more
2018-12-23T12:54:28 < Thorn> that's progress, as in "the tumor is progressing"
2018-12-23T12:55:45 < Steffanx> Does the new UI even use thr os x menu bar Thorn?
2018-12-23T12:55:59 < dongs> the shit is c00be
2018-12-23T12:56:04 < Steffanx> Cuube
2018-12-23T12:57:09 < Thorn> https://i.imgur.com/1MdrMnT.png
2018-12-23T12:57:20 < Thorn> the menu + the about window lol
2018-12-23T12:57:32 < Thorn> at least the quit item is useful
2018-12-23T12:59:55 < dongs> im surprised cube uses native menus on macos
2018-12-23T13:00:02 < dongs> being javashit and all
2018-12-23T13:02:10 < Thorn> all apps get this minimal menu
2018-12-23T13:03:14 < Thorn> meanwhile in Thailand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkH5bHiPa6c
2018-12-23T13:34:28 < Steffanx> Hows the switzerland today superbia1 
2018-12-23T13:47:13 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/mikelectricstuf/status/1076790183062892546
2018-12-23T14:03:16 < Steffanx> Ah. 
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2018-12-23T14:11:45 < zyp> dongs, it doesn't, that's how apps that doesn't support native menu looks
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2018-12-23T14:14:33 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/minxsscubesat/status/1076536171151396864 I2C claims another victim
2018-12-23T14:15:38 < kakimir> power cycling reduces life of components?
2018-12-23T14:21:17 < dongs> zyp: oh okay well i donno about apple faggotry.
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2018-12-23T14:30:06 < jadew> kakimir, sounds like bullshit
2018-12-23T14:30:21 < Steffanx> Home isnt europe?
2018-12-23T14:30:34 < Steffanx> Since when romania isnt europe superbia1
2018-12-23T14:31:00 < jadew> Steffanx, Romania is the center of the world, it's a thing by itself
2018-12-23T14:31:32 < jadew> Romania is not part of Europe. Europe, is anexed to Romania.
2018-12-23T14:36:19 < tctm> Romania will never be Europe.
2018-12-23T14:36:32 < dongs> isnt romania some shithole
2018-12-23T14:36:38 < dongs> where hackers live
2018-12-23T14:36:42 < tctm> Romania and Swissland will fight those European sheeplickers together
2018-12-23T14:36:43 < dongs> that root your wordpress
2018-12-23T14:42:33 < Steffanx> oh its thats why superbia1 moved to swissersland
2018-12-23T14:43:47 < tctm> wait
2018-12-23T14:43:48 < tctm> what
2018-12-23T14:43:50 < tctm> noooo.
2018-12-23T14:44:08 < tctm> superbia1, where did you move to?
2018-12-23T14:46:18 < tctm> Steffanx said you moved to swissland?
2018-12-23T14:47:05 < tctm> where in swissland, if I may ask?
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2018-12-23T14:47:35 < tctm> any two places within the borders of swissland are close enough for beering
2018-12-23T14:53:23 < tctm> superbia1, uhm... I don instagram so to me that´s a box of cryptic glibberish content that I can´t parse
2018-12-23T14:55:20 < Steffanx> Jappy culture? I read canedian, french etcn, but no jappy.
2018-12-23T14:55:24 < Steffanx> *canadian
2018-12-23T14:57:51 < tctm> it´s all the same
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2018-12-23T15:03:02 < Thorn> >The -Wold-style-cast diagnostic can now emit fix-it hints telling you when you can use a static_cast, const_cast, or reinterpret_cast.
2018-12-23T15:03:33 < tctm> uhm... 
2018-12-23T15:03:43 < tctm> especially const_cast.
2018-12-23T15:03:44 < Thorn> let your compiler teach you c++
2018-12-23T15:03:46 < tctm> always use const_cast.
2018-12-23T15:04:20 < tctm> Thorn, I was about to ask whether that´s coming from a compiler changelog or an IDE. but the -Wold-style-cast seems very compilerish :p
2018-12-23T15:04:33 < Thorn> gcc 8 changelog
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2018-12-23T15:20:17 < Thorn> T - 30 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRiLPoy_Mzc
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2018-12-23T15:37:31 < Steffanx> lol Thorn, those vidoes are annoying. Suddenly the music starts to play. I always are like "wut is this" "oooh, spacex stream"
2018-12-23T15:38:43 < Thorn> just play Centhron - Slutbutt at full volume in another tab like I do
2018-12-23T15:39:30 < Steffanx> No that makes me cry Thorn
2018-12-23T15:39:39 < Steffanx> and very deaf
2018-12-23T15:41:44 < Steffanx> No ty to that as well, superbia1. I dont know why, but the "classical" music always feels so random to me.
2018-12-23T15:43:24 < Steffanx> id rather listen to something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlGfT3PGqgU 
2018-12-23T15:44:16 < Thorn> stream is live
2018-12-23T15:44:23 < PaulFertser> Talking about music, I was trying to print sax reeds lately, got amazing results setting first layer height to 0.12 and width to 0.2 (with 0.4 nozzle!).
2018-12-23T15:44:59 < Steffanx> you play that PaulFertser ?
2018-12-23T15:45:30 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: no, just wanted to have random fun and printed Xaphoon clone from thingiverse :)
2018-12-23T15:45:51 < Steffanx> hah
2018-12-23T15:47:08 < PaulFertser> The reeds need to have a very thin end, so I'm doing 0.12 for the first layer and 0.04 for the others, and it ends up looking just fine.
2018-12-23T15:48:13 < PaulFertser> I calibrate the bed with a metal feeler gauge to 0.1 and set -0.1 for the Z offset in slic3r settings.
2018-12-23T15:49:40 < dongs> looks like its going up this time
2018-12-23T15:51:05 < Steffanx> and down very hard
2018-12-23T15:51:12 < dongs> -lift off
2018-12-23T15:51:50 < dongs> my dong
2018-12-23T15:51:52 < dongs> is fucking huge
2018-12-23T15:52:11 < Steffanx> poor wifecop
2018-12-23T15:53:20 < dongs> they're starting to pump
2018-12-23T15:53:23 < dongs> attn crt
2018-12-23T15:56:23 < Thorn> the webcast will be 2 hours long?
2018-12-23T15:56:37 < dongs> yweah they'er gonna coast for liek 2 hours
2018-12-23T15:56:38 < dongs> to get in place
2018-12-23T16:01:14 < Thorn> what was that chunk falling off
2018-12-23T16:02:33 < jadew> UFO
2018-12-23T16:04:09 < Steffanx> and that it was
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2018-12-23T16:28:31 < dongs> motherfucking chinks
2018-12-23T16:28:42 < dongs> ok lets provide a evb and schematic right
2018-12-23T16:29:09 < dongs> let's not mention in schematic that a pin on a 3 pin header acutally have a default postiion that must always be shorted
2018-12-23T16:41:00 < Steffanx> Laurenceb can i tell you are droner and get the  £50,000 reward?
2018-12-23T16:41:06 < Steffanx> *the droner
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2018-12-23T16:47:31 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BrupXERFa22/
2018-12-23T16:54:34 < englishman> dongs: https://www.worksonmymachine.pro
2018-12-23T16:55:09 < dongs> englishman: show me screenshot of =Value in comment transferred to pcb lol
2018-12-23T16:55:29 < dongs> i mean i did it and i hover over part and it says RES0603 =VALUE
2018-12-23T16:55:33 < dongs> which is fucking useles
2018-12-23T16:55:38 < dongs> for actually seeing the part value
2018-12-23T16:55:51 < dongs> i dont care if i can press some shit on BOM to make it substitute on export
2018-12-23T16:55:58 < dongs> that doesnt solve the routing/sch cross reference problem
2018-12-23T16:56:55 < englishman> K, because it is a dynamic value
2018-12-23T16:57:15 < dongs> of course, but unless i can see it, it makes no diff
2018-12-23T16:57:16 < englishman> and it works the same as just writing in comment
2018-12-23T16:57:21 < dongs> how?
2018-12-23T16:57:29 < englishman> Magic?
2018-12-23T16:57:56 < englishman> Altidumb is starting
2018-12-23T17:01:59 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/xG1uZnn.png
2018-12-23T17:02:16 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/B5LaFio.png
2018-12-23T17:02:55 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/kXGnbAK.png
2018-12-23T17:03:06 < dongs> ?
2018-12-23T17:03:13 < dongs> is =Value must be only by itself?
2018-12-23T17:03:18 < dongs> I can't do R0603 =Value?
2018-12-23T17:03:29 < englishman> should work
2018-12-23T17:03:51 < englishman> =[ParameterName] – displays the value defined for a specified component parameter. Enter the actual name of a component parameter as the special string name. For example, for a component parameter named PowerRating, enter =PowerRating. This can approach can be used to display a component parameter such as Description by creating a user parameter (under the Parameters tab of the Properties panel) with a
2018-12-23T17:03:51 < englishman> value of =Description, and then enabling that parameter's visibility in the schematic.
2018-12-23T17:04:32 < dongs> i know what what does
2018-12-23T17:05:23 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/Gjru17V.png
2018-12-23T17:05:41 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/eGPb8rN.png
2018-12-23T17:05:42 < englishman> hahaha
2018-12-23T17:05:45 < englishman> altium disaster
2018-12-23T17:05:59 < dongs> yeah dude.
2018-12-23T17:06:00 < dongs> so its useless.
2018-12-23T17:06:08 < dongs> when i load shit into my dicknpalce
2018-12-23T17:06:09 < dongs> i have a script
2018-12-23T17:06:17 < dongs> that assigns stuff like RES etc based on the naming
2018-12-23T17:06:19 < dongs> of 'comment'
2018-12-23T17:06:23 < dongs> so i can quickly prepare reels of shit
2018-12-23T17:06:51 < dongs> putting same shit into =Value is literally useless beacuse i use value to display a SHORT readable string for schematic
2018-12-23T17:06:56 < dongs> while keeping comment descriptive for assembly
2018-12-23T17:08:17 < englishman> if it put =Value =Voltage it only displays voltage
2018-12-23T17:08:22 < dongs> nice
2018-12-23T17:09:06 < englishman> =Value, =Voltage prints #NAME?
2018-12-23T17:09:37 < englishman> anyway =Value is what i put there
2018-12-23T17:09:59 < dongs> yeah not gonna work for my workflow
2018-12-23T17:11:20 < englishman> good thing i'm above the menial and repetitive task of assembly now
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2018-12-23T17:20:44 < Steffanx> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/369454/can-i-combine-comment-field-from-other-parameters-in-altium-designer ... isnt that the answer
2018-12-23T17:20:46 < Steffanx> ?
2018-12-23T17:20:54 < Steffanx> partially.
2018-12-23T17:22:43 < dongs> my gawd that looks awful
2018-12-23T17:24:58 < englishman> nice
2018-12-23T17:25:28 < dongs> theoretically that could work if i added another paramter for case size or whatever
2018-12-23T17:25:31 < dongs> or voltage
2018-12-23T17:25:31 < dongs> or other trash
2018-12-23T17:25:44 < dongs> but i fucking hate paramters especially now that they're in a retarded sidebar with no keyboard navigation
2018-12-23T17:25:52 < dongs> back in properties dialog you could ctl=tab to switch to the props
2018-12-23T17:25:57 < dongs> now you gotta click, FUCK THAT SHIT
2018-12-23T17:27:44 < englishman> zyp's house is coming along nicely https://i.imgur.com/9LJbxVU.jpg
2018-12-23T17:28:33 < Steffanx> hah
2018-12-23T17:28:54 < dongs> whats the funny
2018-12-23T17:29:07 < dongs> anway
2018-12-23T17:29:15 < dongs> non-90" rotated rooms in altidumb = disaster
2018-12-23T17:29:18 < dongs> like
2018-12-23T17:29:23 < dongs> i made these blocks of shit
2018-12-23T17:29:34 < dongs> and spread them 6 around circle
2018-12-23T17:29:39 < dongs> so like 30/60 degree
2018-12-23T17:29:42 < dongs> if I click the room
2018-12-23T17:29:50 < dongs> it shows the resizing rectangle still at 90 degrees
2018-12-23T17:29:54 < dongs> and if I try stretching it
2018-12-23T17:30:14 < dongs> it turns rectangular room into parallelogram
2018-12-23T17:31:44 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/3xu4aWY.png
2018-12-23T17:31:47 < dongs> look at this lolfilth
2018-12-23T17:36:47 < aandrew> awesome
2018-12-23T17:37:12 < aandrew> the only thing you can do is to keep the rooms rectangular and rotate the copied traces/parts maybe
2018-12-23T17:38:31 < dongs> no, i rotated the room
2018-12-23T17:38:35 < dongs> thats why that border is rotated
2018-12-23T17:38:38 < dongs> but the drag handles arent
2018-12-23T17:39:31 < dongs> but once you rotated it youer fucked, cant do anything
2018-12-23T17:39:40 < aandrew> no I see you rotated the room
2018-12-23T17:39:51 < dongs> when I had to modify some rooms, i had no other choice but to move/unrotate them, then DMC, then rotate them back
2018-12-23T17:40:05 < dongs> no
2018-12-23T17:40:15 < dongs> you can rotate by arbitrary angle by entry
2018-12-23T17:40:20 < dongs> there's no free rotate thing
2018-12-23T17:40:55 < dongs> no, rotation has bene around since forever.
2018-12-23T17:40:57 < dongs> its normal
2018-12-23T17:41:07 < dongs> just don't expect to do much with it after you're done rotating.
2018-12-23T17:42:51 < dongs> one could sorta hope if you rotate a room, "snap 45/90" routing would re-snap to the room rotation vector
2018-12-23T17:43:01 < dongs> like, in case you want to fix stuff.
2018-12-23T17:43:11 < aandrew> yep
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2018-12-23T19:19:18 < Laurenceb_12> https://i.ibb.co/vYH6Gnh/Expanding-Brain.jpg
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2018-12-23T19:37:56 < Laurenceb_12> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGGGCcxnegA
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2018-12-23T19:50:01 < englishman> Paul Gait, 47, and Elaine Kirk-Gait, 54, were released without charge this morning after being arrested at their Crawley home, near the airport, on Friday.
2018-12-23T19:50:37 < invzim> paste matters!  Got a fresh 50g jar the other day, and man does it make a difference
2018-12-23T19:50:37 < englishman> Mr Tingley said there is no available footage of the drones and police are relying on witness accounts.
2018-12-23T19:50:45 < englishman> oh most certainly yes
2018-12-23T19:51:01 < englishman> it needs to be fresh like a baked pumpkin pie
2018-12-23T19:51:40 < invzim> supposed to be stable at room temp for a year, maybe I left the old one open for too long between use
2018-12-23T19:51:48 < englishman> gc 10?
2018-12-23T19:51:55 < invzim> no leaded 
2018-12-23T19:52:14 < englishman> what leaded paste is room temp storable?
2018-12-23T19:52:27 < invzim> https://www.digikey.no/product-detail/en/TS391AX50/TS391AX50-ND/7802229?utm_medium=email&utm_source=oce&utm_campaign=2450_OCE18RT&utm_content=productdetail_NO&utm_cid=500477&so=57764194&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiT1dZNE9URXhZVEV6WTJKbCIsInQiOiJOQUtKc1JqUkRTNmpCYTcrMmdlQ3ppZG53YjRlSlgzN0VPaHM5OTJLNWJ6Uk95OHgwZFZzSkZpUGl5bE5yZ1wvbW45NlNuREk2Rmw0b1ZhTWhXa0phTmtmOG9zNUFxVjdlZWxPcWdMdW5hZTZyRUY0ZVFlM2FVcDNySWNSK1BSSjAifQ%3D%3D
2018-12-23T19:52:32 < englishman> does loctite make a leaded one
2018-12-23T19:52:41 < englishman> oh, cool
2018-12-23T19:53:00 < invzim> I was super impressed with last one, and increasingly not so impressed with continued use
2018-12-23T19:53:04 < englishman> so your 1950s tech is getting upgraded
2018-12-23T19:54:04 < invzim> I think the lesson learned is to throw this stuff away even if it's only half used when it starts to misbehave
2018-12-23T19:54:26 < englishman> ive found that putting used paste back in the main jar makes it not last as long, so i have a second working jar and add fresh paste to it when it gets a little dry or needs more paste
2018-12-23T19:54:28 < invzim> I added gel flux once which helped, second dose of gel flux just made it very smeary
2018-12-23T19:55:49 < invzim> can you get the gc10 stuff in small qty?
2018-12-23T19:56:29 < invzim> at 14usd pr can for the chipquik stuff it's not the end of the world
2018-12-23T19:57:21 < englishman> there could be someone reselling it
2018-12-23T19:57:29 < englishman> “All organizations and citizens,” reads Article 7 of China’s National Intelligence Law, “must support, assist with, and collaborate in national intelligence work, and guard the national intelligence work secrets they are privy to.”
2018-12-23T19:58:24 < englishman> i could mail you some, i just got a 600g tube and im pretty much not going to use it
2018-12-23T19:59:09 < invzim> good for now :)  it's not like I'm trying to become an assembly house
2018-12-23T19:59:16 < Steffanx> Hows the business ending englishman ?
2018-12-23T19:59:23 < englishman> The two Chinese characters that make up Huawei’s name literally mean, “To Serve China.”
2018-12-23T19:59:38 < qyx> haha
2018-12-23T19:59:43 < englishman> it's ok, still behind on paperwork
2018-12-23T20:00:22 < Steffanx> https://www.eleshop.nl/loctite-gc10-soldeerpasta-loodvrij-500-gram-pot.html what i have to pay for that stuff.
2018-12-23T20:00:30 < Steffanx> 20 euro bucks
2018-12-23T20:01:29 < invzim> time to get picking, 176 parts, 45 unique
2018-12-23T20:01:39 < englishman> solderpasta
2018-12-23T20:02:35 < qyx> jadew picking time?
2018-12-23T20:03:10 < Steffanx> Soldeerpasta.
2018-12-23T20:04:10 < qyx> speaking of sols, whats new with insight?
2018-12-23T20:08:54 < Steffanx> wut?
2018-12-23T20:11:00 < qyx> it is 20th sol or so for the insight lander
2018-12-23T20:11:43 < Steffanx> ah
2018-12-23T20:12:32 < qyx> oh it has been placing some instruments recently
2018-12-23T20:22:20 < rajkosto> how do you use timer for pwm duty cycle measurement
2018-12-23T20:23:37 < zyp> input capture, one channel captures rising edge, one channel captures falling edge, then just interrupt on whichever and compare
2018-12-23T20:23:52 < rajkosto> but i dont want to interrupt 250 kilotimes a second
2018-12-23T20:24:11 < zyp> how often do you want to measure duty?
2018-12-23T20:24:18 < rajkosto> ocassionally
2018-12-23T20:25:12 < rajkosto> the signal was meant to drive something with small inductors which is why its so fast, but it doesnt really update that fast
2018-12-23T20:25:26 < zyp> if you dedicate a timer to it, you can set it to reset on leading edge
2018-12-23T20:25:39 < rajkosto> and then just read both values whenever ?
2018-12-23T20:25:44 < zyp> yeah
2018-12-23T20:25:57 < zyp> one channel will then give you period time and the other will give you pulse time
2018-12-23T20:26:29 < zyp> IIRC this is described as «pwm capture mode» in the timer docs in the RM
2018-12-23T20:26:59 < rajkosto> its ok if the signal is 5v ppk ?
2018-12-23T20:27:16 < rajkosto> as long as idont use the AIN pins which arent 5v tolerant
2018-12-23T20:27:23 < zyp> as long as you hook it to a FT pin
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2018-12-23T21:07:11 < jpa-> and as long as Vdd is on
2018-12-23T21:08:16 < zyp> englishman, heating cables in the downpipes from the roof is not all that common
2018-12-23T21:08:22 < zyp> not all that uncommon*
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2018-12-23T21:16:12 < jpa-> totally normal here
2018-12-23T21:19:38 < Laurenceb_12> https://www.flameintroductions.co.uk/
2018-12-23T21:22:04 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_12: is the gatwick droner. 
2018-12-23T21:22:14 < Steffanx> Give me my 50k
2018-12-23T21:22:22 < Laurenceb_12> kek I fit their profile
2018-12-23T21:22:38 < Laurenceb_12>  >PhD student with background in electronics
2018-12-23T21:40:04 < Steffanx> Is there even real footage of the "drone"?
2018-12-23T21:48:14 < englishman> huh never seen that
2018-12-23T21:48:43 < englishman> Steffanx: "Mr Tingley said there is no available footage of the drones and police are relying on witness accounts."
2018-12-23T21:50:49 < kakimir> jadew: we talk about other european countries than baltic countries as europe
2018-12-23T21:56:48 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Hss8KTbK6IxlKBNmsOw0KKY90b9OmPSr/view?usp=sharing friend has music time machine
2018-12-23T21:57:20 < kakimir> those printjet cover arts really bring you back to the days
2018-12-23T22:00:56 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/18FO_KxyCttxz0NbI1uawDN0dKKPilf2M/view?usp=sharing
2018-12-23T22:01:10 < Steffanx> Is that you in the pic kakimir?
2018-12-23T22:03:37 < Steffanx> Anyway, the one in the pick should make sure his manhood doesnt fly away.
2018-12-23T22:03:55 < kakimir> it's about to show it's manhood
2018-12-23T22:04:12 < Steffanx> Ah you had some sexy time. Great
2018-12-23T22:06:01 < kakimir> no
2018-12-23T22:06:05 < kakimir> just show it
2018-12-23T22:06:07 < kakimir> it
2018-12-23T22:08:54 < Steffanx> Darth vader much?
2018-12-23T22:09:08 < kakimir> friends
2018-12-23T22:09:46 < Steffanx> Best of it all is the good old wordart.
2018-12-23T22:09:49 < Steffanx> I miss word art
2018-12-23T22:09:58 < Steffanx> Used it a lot in high school
2018-12-23T22:12:25 < kakimir> want to see photo of me?
2018-12-23T22:12:58 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-B3ZfPzeu9IGA1p4f9AgZqUF8LTEM_xH/view?usp=sharing
2018-12-23T22:17:29 < Steffanx> :P
2018-12-23T22:19:27 < Steffanx> Are you a cat daddy yet, crt?
2018-12-23T22:24:53 < Laurenceb_12> Steffanx: only footage of the drone is confirmed as a police helicopter
2018-12-23T22:25:39 < Laurenceb_12> https://postimg.cc/LqPr2QyP
2018-12-23T22:29:13 < Laurenceb_12> the collective mass delusion drone
2018-12-23T22:29:27 < invzim> and done, about 2+ hrs - it's pulling out the qty1 parts that sucks time
2018-12-23T22:30:07 < Laurenceb_12> tfw u see a "drone" https://postimg.cc/jLg9NnCZ
2018-12-23T22:31:11 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i3lxV2pQET_1fo0pNRDbmbaMvftv_weD/view?usp=sharing cylinder walls are okay
2018-12-23T22:33:19 < Laurenceb_12> https://postimg.cc/QKkqbwXp
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2018-12-23T22:53:44 < Steffanx> Whats the emergency number in the theepot, crt?
2018-12-23T22:54:22 < Steffanx> 000?
2018-12-23T22:54:56 < jpa-> https://i.imgur.com/XUauJ35.jpg
2018-12-23T22:55:28 < Steffanx> Lol jpa-
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2018-12-23T23:02:57 < Laurenceb_12> oh wow
2018-12-23T23:02:58 < Laurenceb_12> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1610.03452.pdf
2018-12-23T23:04:08 < Laurenceb_12> https://postimg.cc/F7sxrpb1
2018-12-23T23:04:12 < Laurenceb_12> orbital sides
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2018-12-23T23:09:41 < Laurenceb_12> >figure 13
2018-12-23T23:10:52 < Laurenceb_12> 11 and 12 are also v lulzy
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2018-12-23T23:25:33 < Laurenceb_12> https://postimg.cc/njWTNQ50
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2018-12-23T23:38:54 < kakimir> shit
2018-12-23T23:39:03 < kakimir> it's 24th in half an hour
2018-12-23T23:39:11 < kakimir> it's when santa comes
2018-12-23T23:39:42 < kakimir> scare all the childrent
2018-12-23T23:40:01 < kakimir> julbog
2018-12-23T23:40:06 < jadew> santa comes tomorrow night
2018-12-23T23:40:10 < kakimir> yes
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2018-12-23T23:40:28 < kakimir> it's the day santa comes
2018-12-23T23:40:32 < kakimir> tommorow
2018-12-23T23:42:11 < jadew> any recommendations for an inductorless buck converter? ~250 mA, < 1.5 MHz
2018-12-23T23:42:21 < kakimir> that is specific
2018-12-23T23:43:12 < kakimir> why you need inducterless?
2018-12-23T23:43:37 < jadew> my board is too small and I can't deal with the magnetic field
2018-12-23T23:44:11 < kakimir> my board had huge magnetic connector
2018-12-23T23:44:20 < kakimir> it messes with the buck circuit
2018-12-23T23:44:37 < jadew> makes it less efficient, I assume?
2018-12-23T23:44:59 < jadew> because the inductor's field build-up is slowed down by the magnet?
2018-12-23T23:45:46 < kakimir> idk
2018-12-23T23:45:59 < kakimir> current sensing from shunt is altered
2018-12-23T23:46:19 < jadew> that shouldn't be affected
2018-12-23T23:46:25 < jadew> not much anyway
2018-12-23T23:46:42 < kakimir> I don't know really
2018-12-23T23:46:49 < kakimir> haven't looked into it
2018-12-23T23:47:03 < kakimir> changed inductor to get decent operation
2018-12-23T23:47:35 < jadew> bigger?
2018-12-23T23:47:36 < kakimir> another option is to move magnetic connector distance of 2mm
2018-12-23T23:47:45 < kakimir> bigger saturation current
2018-12-23T23:50:32 < kakimir> maybe it was not shunt but voltage threshold
2018-12-23T23:50:48 < kakimir> or coil saturating
2018-12-23T23:51:10 < kakimir> idk *shrug* I have other aspects to work on until I get back to it
2018-12-23T23:54:30 < kakimir> Steffanx: joining eevblog forum
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2018-12-24T00:01:24 < jadew> my other option is to dissipate 1.2 W more and keep it all linear
2018-12-24T00:03:01 < jadew> total power dissipated on the board would be between 3.5 and 4 W
2018-12-24T00:03:05 < jadew> that's going to be a hot board
2018-12-24T00:08:13 < jadew> the LTC3245 looks interesting
2018-12-24T00:08:27 < Steffanx> Lol see i forgot kakimir 
2018-12-24T00:09:10 < Steffanx> Ltc good luck getting it
2018-12-24T00:09:21 < jadew> mouser has it
2018-12-24T00:09:34 < jadew> problem is I already placed the order yesterday :/
2018-12-24T00:19:27 < Thorn> cheap stm8 in qfn https://lcsc.com/product-detail/ST-Microelectronics_STMicroelectronics_STM8S003F3U6TR_STM8S003F3U6TR_C35556.html
2018-12-24T00:30:17 < Steffanx> What did i tell you about random superbia1?
2018-12-24T00:32:13 < Laurenceb_12> fucking magnets
2018-12-24T00:32:22 < Laurenceb_12> oh wait that actually makes sense
2018-12-24T00:32:34 < Laurenceb_12> a parmentant magnet could saturate an inductor
2018-12-24T00:38:26 < Thorn> look at the stock level https://lcsc.com/product-detail/ST-Microelectronics_STMicroelectronics_STM8S003F3P6_STM8S003F3P6_C18615.html
2018-12-24T00:41:28 < qyx> ltc is cool
2018-12-24T00:43:01 < Laurenceb_12> https://mobile.twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1076458808703180800
2018-12-24T00:43:03 < Laurenceb_12> wtf 
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2018-12-24T01:17:45 < Laurenceb_12> https://postimg.cc/FfrM48Fz
2018-12-24T01:18:05 < Laurenceb_12> now everyone knows about the fun and easy way to get laid
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2018-12-24T01:23:48 < Laurenceb_12> 2014 was the year of the raep
2018-12-24T01:24:31 < kakimir> having a good memories coming back?
2018-12-24T01:24:40 < kakimir> *having good memories
2018-12-24T01:28:12 < Laurenceb_12> keek
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2018-12-24T02:11:56 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/dy4ei43
2018-12-24T02:12:01 < bitmask> lookin good
2018-12-24T02:16:37 < bitmask> blue is the power distribution and clear is the control unit for my heated hoodie project
2018-12-24T02:18:43 < bitmask> more miserable people 
2018-12-24T02:22:04 < bitmask> If I ever start to turn into a cynical asshole remind me to get off IRC once in a while ;)
2018-12-24T02:26:41 < Laurenceb_12> cutfag
2018-12-24T02:27:03 < bitmask> what does that mean
2018-12-24T02:27:35 < Laurenceb_12> someone who cuts themselves
2018-12-24T02:27:42 < bitmask> but why the finger?
2018-12-24T02:27:53 < bitmask> its usually somewhere hidden
2018-12-24T02:27:54 < Laurenceb_12> eat the pain
2018-12-24T02:28:09 < Laurenceb_12> podesta.jpg
2018-12-24T02:33:37 < Laurenceb_12> my dad is addicted to codine
2018-12-24T02:33:42 < Laurenceb_12> along with tight asian pussy
2018-12-24T02:34:06 < bitmask> crap, I forgot a power switch
2018-12-24T02:34:13 < bitmask> thats pretty important :P
2018-12-24T02:38:43 < bitmask> i'll just disconnect batteries for now
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2018-12-24T05:29:18 < dongs> The couple had been arrested on suspicion of disrupting civil aviation services and endangering people or operations, the police said in a statement. They are both from Crawley, a town just south of the airport, and the husband’s Facebook page suggested that he was a drone hobbyist. The couple’s pages included several photos of remote-controlled helicopters.
2018-12-24T05:29:23 < dongs> But on Sunday, Detective Chief Superintendent Jason Tingley of the Sussex police said in a statement, “Both people have fully cooperated with our enquiries and I am satisfied that they are no longer suspects in the drone incidents at Gatwick.”
2018-12-24T05:29:27 < dongs> lmao
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2018-12-24T05:30:07 < dongs> Laurenceb: can i turn you in and we'll split 50k reward
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2018-12-24T05:57:50 < jadew> did they recover any of the drones?
2018-12-24T05:58:59 < dongs> according to latest news, tehre might not have even been a drone
2018-12-24T05:59:04 < dongs> there's no video evidence
2018-12-24T05:59:11 < dongs> and they're relying on "67 eyewitness reports"
2018-12-24T05:59:12 < dongs> lmao
2018-12-24T05:59:54 < jadew> so they won't catch anyone
2018-12-24T06:00:04 < dongs> yep
2018-12-24T06:01:26 < rajkosto> why not 69
2018-12-24T06:01:48 < jadew> 2 of them didn't want to confess
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2018-12-24T07:02:01 < englishman> wow 72 cents for stm8 those prices are CRAZY
2018-12-24T07:02:52 < englishman> not sure what is more funny, that someone shut down an airport for 3 days with a hobbyking drone or that the drone never existed
2018-12-24T07:06:55 < dongs> lol
2018-12-24T07:16:20 < jadew> ffs.. why are evaluation boards so freaking expensive
2018-12-24T07:16:57 < jadew> $100 for this buck converter's eval board
2018-12-24T07:17:06 < jadew> it's like they don't want you to use their part
2018-12-24T07:17:54 < jadew> obviously
2018-12-24T07:18:07 < jadew> spares me the trouble of making my own
2018-12-24T07:18:44 < jadew> but since this seems like a lot of effort, I can just keep scrolling until I find something else
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2018-12-24T07:20:01 < dongs> the brokebitch way to design
2018-12-24T07:20:11 < dongs> or you could just get the $100 gboard, test your shit, then make a product and sell it
2018-12-24T07:20:26 < jadew> there's a chance it's not what I want tho
2018-12-24T07:20:29 < dongs> but then again you'll wait 3 months for pcbs from china by slowboat
2018-12-24T07:20:42 < jadew> that's true too
2018-12-24T07:20:58 < jadew> thing is, I'll get the board eventually, but not before checking other options
2018-12-24T07:21:19 < jadew> maybe some other manufacturer makes their evalutation boards easier to obtain
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2018-12-24T07:22:32 < jadew> also, I already have something that's working, so I can just find a solution for what bothers me
2018-12-24T07:22:34 < englishman> speaking of which, how is that thermocouple logger gong
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2018-12-24T07:23:08 < jadew> englishman, I'll let you know when I start working on it
2018-12-24T07:23:15 < englishman> cool
2018-12-24T07:23:21 < englishman> mine has been working gr8 since september
2018-12-24T07:23:23 < jadew> and the next day, when I'm done
2018-12-24T07:23:30 < jadew> well, I didn't needed one yet
2018-12-24T07:23:43 < englishman> right
2018-12-24T07:26:39 < fenugrec> what is ##stm32's favorite jellybean NPN in SOT223 ?
2018-12-24T07:27:28 < dongs> 223?
2018-12-24T07:27:43 < dongs> isnt that kinda big
2018-12-24T07:28:09 < fenugrec> I need powa handling somewhere between sot23 and to220, so yeah, "kinda big" but still manageable
2018-12-24T07:28:13 < fenugrec> sot89 alternately
2018-12-24T07:30:57 < dongs> does 2N7002 exit in 223?
2018-12-24T07:30:58 < dongs> heh
2018-12-24T07:31:04 < fenugrec> o they make 2222's in to263
2018-12-24T07:32:06 < fenugrec> *236
2018-12-24T07:34:44 < englishman> whatever the equiv AOZ nfet is
2018-12-24T07:35:48 < fenugrec> kinda need a bjt
2018-12-24T07:41:06 < dongs> lmao
2018-12-24T07:41:10 < dongs> fuckin CRT
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2018-12-24T07:45:19 < blacktronics> That actually cracked me up
2018-12-24T07:52:29 < englishman> he's not wrong
2018-12-24T08:11:44 < jadew> speaking of which, I solved my buck converter selection issue
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2018-12-24T08:12:02 < jadew> I'll use a linear regulator instead
2018-12-24T08:12:28 < jadew> well, multiple regulators, to split the power
2018-12-24T08:14:37 < dongs> .
2018-12-24T08:14:41 < dongs> yeah that sounds really smart
2018-12-24T08:14:56 < jadew> it's actually better, it was a noise sensitive application anyway
2018-12-24T08:14:57 < dongs> if you're at the point in desgin where you can replace a $100 evb buck reg with a linear
2018-12-24T08:15:13 < jadew> I got away with a switching regulator on previous revisions because I had enough room on the board
2018-12-24T08:15:14 < dongs> its probly shit anyway
2018-12-24T08:15:52 < jadew> well, now I had to either find a buck convertor that doesn't generate as high EMI or go with linear ones
2018-12-24T08:16:33 < jadew> and I'm not going to spend more time on the $100 eval board, on the off-chance that it might work, when I can just go linear and get better performance anyway
2018-12-24T08:16:45 < jadew> without a lot of hassle
2018-12-24T08:20:04 < dongs> well allright
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2018-12-24T08:20:54 < dongs> VPWM pin accepts square waveform from 20K to 100K. By adjusting duty cycle, output voltage can be adjusted according to needs. When duty=0, output voltage = 1/6 of the preset value by the feedback resistor divider at FB pin. When duty = 100%, output voltage = preset value.
2018-12-24T08:20:58 < dongs> dumbest pin ever
2018-12-24T08:22:24 < dongs> no clue
2018-12-24T08:22:24 < jadew> to set the output between 1/6 and 100%
2018-12-24T08:22:29 < dongs> no
2018-12-24T08:22:37 < dongs> because you can set that with a fucking FB pin
2018-12-24T08:22:38 < dongs> you know
2018-12-24T08:22:43 < dongs> the non-autistic way
2018-12-24T08:23:25 < jadew> maybe in case you don't have a DAC available
2018-12-24T08:23:52 < jadew> wait, the FB pin takes a resistor
2018-12-24T08:23:59 < jadew> so you can't change that with a MCU
2018-12-24T08:24:03 < dongs> bro
2018-12-24T08:24:06 < dongs> do you even resistor
2018-12-24T08:24:16 < dongs> you can just parallel a bunch and highz -> pull down wiht gpio
2018-12-24T08:24:53 < jadew> much simpler than PWM
2018-12-24T08:27:08 < dongs> well, it is, because it would be portable to literally any vreg out there
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2018-12-24T08:27:23 < dongs> number of the ones that can take PWM input to adjust vout is... probly just this chink trash
2018-12-24T08:27:31 < jadew> "Infineon Technologies Components may only be used in life-support devices or systems with the express written approval of Infineon Technologies, if a failure of such components can reasonably be expected to cause the failure of that life-support device or system, or to affect the safety or effectiveness of that device or system."
2018-12-24T08:27:39 < jadew> is that the case with most companies?
2018-12-24T08:27:42 < dongs> yes
2018-12-24T08:27:45 < dongs> have you not read datasheets?
2018-12-24T08:27:53 < dongs> literally all of them have that shit on last page
2018-12-24T08:28:14 < dongs> most of them actually say they CANNOT be used in life-support systems
2018-12-24T08:28:19 < dongs> dont even bother for permission
2018-12-24T08:28:49 < jadew> must make design of such devices a lot more difficult
2018-12-24T08:29:57 < jadew> good thing the datasheets for no-name chinese products don't have that
2018-12-24T08:30:30 < dongs> lel
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2018-12-24T08:37:07 < dongs> youre only in troublwe if you try using genuine 'murican parts
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2018-12-24T09:07:13 < Thorn> “SDAIN” and “SDAOUT” are tied together and serve as SDA. The “SDAIN” pin must be connected to act as SDA. The “SDAOUT” pin may be disconnected. When “SDAOUT” pin is disconnected, the  acknowledgement signal will be ignored in the I2C-bus. 
2018-12-24T09:07:19 < Thorn> fucking perverts
2018-12-24T09:08:42 < Thorn> how do I know if they're tied together on these displays or not
2018-12-24T09:12:20 < dongs> Lol
2018-12-24T09:12:28 < dongs> solution: use SPI
2018-12-24T09:12:41 < dongs> but yeah i bet they're tyying it together to avoid switching pin direction
2018-12-24T09:14:09 < Thorn> small 128x32 displays only come with i2c
2018-12-24T09:14:22 < Thorn> no room for more pins
2018-12-24T09:40:18 < dongs> cracki, because of how io pad works on the controller chip
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2018-12-24T11:56:37 < Ecco> Hi :)
2018-12-24T11:56:55 < Ecco> I've been reading the STM32H750 datasheet, and something's bugging me
2018-12-24T11:57:01 < Steffanx> Hm
2018-12-24T11:57:19 < Ecco> apparently, the lowest current draw that allows for keeping SRAM content is around 1mA
2018-12-24T11:59:03 < Ecco> Compared to 50uA for STM32F412
2018-12-24T11:59:18 < Ecco> Am I correct reading the datasheet? Is that normal?
2018-12-24T12:00:14 < Thorn> you can try power analyzer in cube
2018-12-24T12:00:26 < Ecco> good idea, let me try
2018-12-24T12:00:33 < Thorn> iirc f401/41x are specifically designed for lower power
2018-12-24T12:00:35 < Ecco> Meanwhile, would those numbers seem correct?
2018-12-24T12:00:41 < Thorn> unlike other higher performance lines
2018-12-24T12:00:55 < Ecco> Aren't the "L4" supposed to be the low power ones?
2018-12-24T12:01:07 < Thorn> yeah, I mean among F
2018-12-24T12:01:11 < Ecco> oh, ok
2018-12-24T12:01:37 < Thorn> F and H actually
2018-12-24T12:12:10 < Ecco> But would that explain a 20x difference?
2018-12-24T12:31:53 < qyx> I assume fast and large SRAM needs more power
2018-12-24T12:32:14 < qyx> L4 is 80MHz, H7 is idk how many
2018-12-24T12:39:45 < Steffanx> 400MEGAAHurtz.
2018-12-24T12:42:40 < Steffanx> it seems you are correct Ecco. stop mode doesnt go below 1mA
2018-12-24T12:43:17 < Steffanx> At least, when you look at the max values and not the typical
2018-12-24T12:44:03 < Steffanx> but i might be wrong, i dont know what all this D1-3 means :P
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2018-12-24T14:02:40 < Ecco> Steffanx: AFAIK, D1-3 allows to have finer granularity for STOP/STANDBY
2018-12-24T14:02:47 < Ecco> you can STOP parts of the chip, and STANDBY others
2018-12-24T14:04:07 < Steffanx> ah
2018-12-24T14:05:48 < karlp> "want lots of power, complains that it takes lots of power"
2018-12-24T14:08:26 < Steffanx> karlp ...
2018-12-24T14:11:17 < kakimir> hello xmas
2018-12-24T14:13:16 < Steffanx> It's not xmas yet kakimir
2018-12-24T14:13:26 < Steffanx> Not even for crt
2018-12-24T14:13:37 < kakimir> it is
2018-12-24T14:14:29 < Steffanx> its not
2018-12-24T14:14:43 < Ecco> karlp: well, I'm sorry, but no
2018-12-24T14:14:56 < Ecco> I'm not talking about RUN power usage
2018-12-24T14:14:59 < kakimir> movie recommend: hogfather
2018-12-24T14:15:20 < Ecco> I think that, for once, my question wasn't completely dumb :)
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2018-12-24T14:45:09 < kakimir> https://i.imgur.com/B5WrzcX.mp4 cat
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2018-12-24T16:43:30 < jadew> small package, UK to Romania, 2 weeks and counting
2018-12-24T16:44:37 < jadew> it normally takes a couple of days
2018-12-24T16:45:19 < jadew> apparently there are lots of packages this time of the year and regular post sucks everywhere
2018-12-24T16:46:13 < Steffanx> not here
2018-12-24T16:46:22 < Steffanx> china -> dutchland, 5 days
2018-12-24T16:46:27 < Steffanx> got it today
2018-12-24T16:46:33 < jadew> damn...
2018-12-24T16:46:55 < jadew> it used to be like that in here too, for a very short while
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2018-12-24T16:47:25 < jadew> I thought something changed on the route here, but I guess our post did
2018-12-24T16:50:28 < jadew> everything ran by the state is shit
2018-12-24T16:50:36 < dongs> ty> and the drone is pretty cool for £30
2018-12-24T16:50:38 < dongs> ty> i am going to put stickers on it "Gatwick Flyer"
2018-12-24T16:50:47 < jadew> the post just this october started accepting card payments
2018-12-24T16:52:55 < dongs> http://jayride.imgix.net/e/e2f01b6e-a587-4311-986e-c385aea5e4e1.jpg?fit=crop&w=640&h=380
2018-12-24T16:53:11 < englishman> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-24/sydney-opal-tower-cracking-building-evacuation/10666734
2018-12-24T16:53:12 < englishman> rip crt
2018-12-24T16:55:18 < Steffanx> oops
2018-12-24T17:04:04 < Steffanx> would be a big loss
2018-12-24T17:08:56 < Thorn> Dave's test equipment collection has exceeded design load on the building structure
2018-12-24T17:10:28 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/BrsO972BrE6/
2018-12-24T17:13:20 < dongs> motherfucker
2018-12-24T17:13:31 < dongs> almsot clicked thinking it was context from previous line
2018-12-24T17:13:48 < Steffanx> dont you like cats?
2018-12-24T17:14:06 < Thorn> <dongs> almost clicked but there was a puma so I didn't
2018-12-24T17:15:02 < Steffanx> hah thats how i kinda read it too
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2018-12-24T19:36:26 < englishman> is there any way to have an assdroid phone emulate an NFC tag
2018-12-24T19:37:11 < englishman> it works for payments I wonder why cloning tags won't work
2018-12-24T19:44:22 < catphish> englishman: it can't do dumb data tags, only smart ones
2018-12-24T19:45:23 < catphish> i forget the protocol names now, but it only supports the protocol where the reader requests a specific application
2018-12-24T19:45:40 < catphish> not the kind where the reader just blindly issues block reads
2018-12-24T19:46:19 < englishman> weird
2018-12-24T19:47:27 < catphish> the reason being that android allows you to associate an application with one of those application names, so for example it knows what app should handle requests for a payment card, afaik there's no concept of the currently running application just taking full control
2018-12-24T19:47:50 < catphish> you have to have your app launch in response to a request from a reader
2018-12-24T19:48:27 < catphish> the currently running app can take control of the NFC for the purpose of being a reader, but not card emulation
2018-12-24T19:49:24 < catphish> i had to implement the full stack in my sport timing thing, so it tells an android device which app to launch before the communication happens, but it turns out that's actually quite cool, but useless if you just want your phone to emulate a door entry card
2018-12-24T19:50:21 < englishman> interesting
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2018-12-24T19:53:30 < englishman> thanks
2018-12-24T19:53:56 < Laurenceb_12> https://postimg.cc/SYRZ6PGr
2018-12-24T19:55:04 < Laurenceb_12> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrVzhXOANSk
2018-12-24T20:00:50 < aandrew> hello chatters
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2018-12-24T20:06:31 < catphish> hello aaaaaaandrew
2018-12-24T20:07:54 < englishman> did you break all your toys already
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2018-12-24T20:12:49 < aandrew> no man. I got or am in the process of getting a divorce for christmas
2018-12-24T20:13:32 < Steffanx> lol
2018-12-24T20:13:47 < catphish> well that doesn't sound fun
2018-12-24T20:13:52 < Steffanx> iirc you are an experienced man when it comes to that
2018-12-24T20:14:28 < aandrew> we're currently at the "let's hear all the shit that I'm supposedly guilty of and how I'm a horrible husband, father, man, human being" stage, with a heaping serving of arbitrary demands to leave immediately, leave after new years, stay in the house but not ever talk to her, but pretend with friends and family everything is fine
2018-12-24T20:14:45 < aandrew> Steffanx: divorced once about 15y ago, married 11y this time
2018-12-24T20:14:57 < Steffanx> ah
2018-12-24T20:15:24 < aandrew> dunno, I'm ... tired. I'm ready and willing to leave but frankly worried about the kids, particuarly my 9yo son who is somewhere on the spectrum for reals and quite attached to me
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2018-12-24T20:16:08 < aandrew> I'm almost 100% certain my wife has some kind of personality disorder but you can't tell her that. she's been gaslighting me for years
2018-12-24T20:16:54 < catphish> i do hope i don't get divorced any time soon
2018-12-24T20:17:03  * catphish goes to be nice to wife just in case
2018-12-24T20:17:50 < Steffanx> have fun catphish  \o
2018-12-24T20:19:50 < Laurenceb_12> clearly the patriarchy is to blame
2018-12-24T20:21:55 < catphish> now she has tea and is happy :)
2018-12-24T20:23:57 < Steffanx> :D
2018-12-24T20:28:29 < Steffanx> so better visit a counseler (or whatever you call such people) and get things sorted out aandrew ?
2018-12-24T20:28:39 < Steffanx> ##stm32 counseling wont work, i think
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2018-12-24T21:26:46 < jpa-> aandrew: maybe seek custody?
2018-12-24T21:26:56 < Laurenceb_12> >Irvin Antillon, 49, who is accused of kicking protesters on the ground, is a member of a black nazi group, Batallón 49, who travelled to Charlottesville last year
2018-12-24T21:27:00 < Laurenceb_12> the memes are real
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2018-12-24T21:34:52 < Laurenceb_12> https://postimg.cc/WdSDDm82
2018-12-24T21:35:04 < Laurenceb_12> happy christmas from Alba-Chan
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2018-12-24T21:50:23 < kakimir> hello
2018-12-24T21:58:20 < aandrew> Steffanx: oh I know. just feeling kind of low atm, normal blogging will resume shortly
2018-12-24T21:58:59 < Steffanx> Hah np aandrew.
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2018-12-24T22:44:46 < aandrew> I've told my dad. that's it for the moment
2018-12-24T22:45:36 < Steffanx> lol, such motivational speaker.
2018-12-24T22:46:01 < aandrew> money's easy to come by, thankfully the world loves hw/sw guys who know their shit
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2018-12-24T22:47:05 < Steffanx> and you all base this on a single thing aandrew  mentioned?
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2018-12-24T22:47:38 < aandrew> but we'll see. her narrative last night changed from you need to leave immediately to you are going to crush the 9yo if you leave. you will be responsible for him killing himself in a few years
2018-12-24T22:47:49 < aandrew> literal what came out of her mouth
2018-12-24T22:48:07 < aandrew> I have been trying to record every interaction but I didn't last night
2018-12-24T22:48:08 < aandrew> yep
2018-12-24T22:48:27 < Steffanx> There goes the ##stm32 counseling. yay
2018-12-24T22:48:31 < aandrew> I've been trying to immunize the kids against that without putting shit in their heads
2018-12-24T22:49:11 < aandrew> basically just telling them that sometimes people will talk about other people and if that makes you wonder, you should always talk to that person directly instead of listening to what ohters say about them
2018-12-24T22:49:50 < aandrew> basically describing gossip and putting it in a way that prepares them for that shit. not just from mom but from anyone (friends etc)
2018-12-24T22:50:12 < aandrew> treading a very fine line never to say anything about what's actually happenning nor talking about their mom in any way
2018-12-24T22:50:56 < aandrew> my first wife did that with the kids too which is why I am much better prepared
2018-12-24T22:51:14 < aandrew> this one though I swear has some kind of narcicism or someshit
2018-12-24T22:51:30 < aandrew> anyway
2018-12-24T22:51:35 < aandrew> </blog>
2018-12-24T22:51:48 < Steffanx> too bad it took you 11 years to figure that out then
2018-12-24T22:52:53 < aandrew> no, figured it out quite a while ago but was tryign to avoid leaving another set of kids
2018-12-24T22:53:29 < Steffanx> oh, hmm
2018-12-24T22:53:41 < Steffanx> sucks then
2018-12-24T22:53:54 < aandrew> I swore I would never do that again, that fucking killed me. those kids are doing pretty good now though. my oldest daughter's 19 and a trained firefighter and my 17yo son look slike he wants to be a vet
2018-12-24T22:54:42 < aandrew> for the differences my first wife and I had she did pretty good with the kids outside of the tryign to demonize me (which ended up backfiring pretty good)
2018-12-24T22:55:05 < aandrew> anyway I gotta find a decent family lawyer who isn't going to roll over
2018-12-24T22:57:10 < catphish> or just come to a sensible agreement and save a fortune getting 3rd parties to argue on your bahalf?
2018-12-24T23:00:10 < Steffanx> sensible agreement.. isnt that the issue far too often?
2018-12-24T23:00:35 < catphish> well it sounds awful and i just hope i'm never in that situation
2018-12-24T23:01:27 < aandrew> catphish: that is the ideal, but I think I've already made it clear I"m not dealing iwth ideals here
2018-12-24T23:02:40 < aandrew> well family law there's a LONG way before you get anywhere near a judge
2018-12-24T23:02:48 < aandrew> and inf act the system is set up to try to get people to work together which is good
2018-12-24T23:02:50 < catphish> well surely idealy they negotiate and hopefully never get near a judge
2018-12-24T23:03:54 < catphish> but i guess sometimes people can be unreasonable :(
2018-12-24T23:04:26 < aandrew> best day in years was when the judge dressed down my first wife in the courtroom
2018-12-24T23:04:47 < catphish> Cracki: it might be that i'm the phychopath
2018-12-24T23:04:59 < Steffanx> lol totally true.
2018-12-24T23:05:03 < aandrew> I was arguing that I'm available to babysit the kids and she was like "kids want the babysitter" (bs but ok) and the judge basically told her to shut up, he's their father and if he's available he gets priority
2018-12-24T23:05:09 < aandrew> basically "kids do not get a say in this matter"
2018-12-24T23:06:01 < aandrew> yeah. I am fortunate that in canada family law has come a long way from the olden days, but still has quite a way to go
2018-12-24T23:06:08 < Steffanx> or not, kinda depends on the age of the kids.
2018-12-24T23:06:20 < aandrew> they were like 8 and 10
2018-12-24T23:06:22 < aandrew> something like that
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2018-12-24T23:07:54 < Steffanx> Poor gay dads.
2018-12-24T23:14:11 < catphish> fun fact: gay women are twice as likely to divorce as gay men
2018-12-24T23:14:32 < catphish> so i think we can conclude who is to blame in hererosexual cases
2018-12-24T23:14:56 < Steffanx> lolol
2018-12-24T23:24:12 < Laurenceb_12> amerimutt came round my house today
2018-12-24T23:24:14 < Laurenceb_12> no homo
2018-12-24T23:24:35 < Laurenceb_12> his daughter is now senior prison guard or something
2018-12-24T23:24:37 < Laurenceb_12> the memes
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2018-12-24T23:25:07 < Laurenceb_12> he has rare pepe stickers on his van O_o
2018-12-24T23:26:37 < Laurenceb_12> keeek
2018-12-24T23:26:47 < Laurenceb_12> I think it is Italian
2018-12-24T23:27:11 < Laurenceb_12> tfw muh dad is Italian/Syrian/Danish
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2018-12-24T23:28:22 < Laurenceb_12> the personification of the amerimutt
2018-12-24T23:28:26 < Laurenceb_12> its me
2018-12-24T23:29:48 < Laurenceb_12> tfw "sexual emergency"
2018-12-24T23:30:05 < catphish> none of these words mean anything to me
2018-12-24T23:30:50  * catphish stays in british bubble
2018-12-24T23:32:18 < catphish> patrick stewart will spread the british culture far and wide!
2018-12-24T23:32:40 < Laurenceb_12> Cracki: lies, the combustion chambers were too small
2018-12-24T23:33:01 < Laurenceb_12> no way 6 million cattle were incinerated
2018-12-24T23:43:15 < Steffanx> So i tried to run laks usb on a f446 zyp. No luck yet, there seem to be minor changes in the usb peripheral.
2018-12-24T23:43:47 < Steffanx> and atm i have no clue why/where its failing
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2018-12-25T00:41:38 < kakimir> ate so well that I passed out
2018-12-25T00:42:00 < kakimir> 2hours ago
2018-12-25T00:42:02 < kakimir> woke up
2018-12-25T00:42:05 < kakimir> need a movie
2018-12-25T00:44:11 < Steffanx> pornhub?
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2018-12-25T00:45:25 < kakimir> yes
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2018-12-25T01:07:02 < Steffanx> Happy crt day.
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2018-12-25T02:49:32 < Laurenceb_12> https://mobile.twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1077154062586531840?p=v
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2018-12-25T02:51:39 < specing> Hello. Has anyone updated st-link 2.0 to 2.1 on a discovery kit using FOSS software. Is it possible? As far as I understand, 2.1 forwards target chips USART via USB. Is this correct? My discovery kit has USART1 wired to the stlink mcu
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2018-12-25T02:54:12 < karlp> iirc, 2.0 had the uart-usb sometimes, depending on board connection
2018-12-25T02:54:23 < karlp> and 2.1 added the mass storage mbed style flashing only?
2018-12-25T02:54:45 < karlp> just update using the stlink updater to the lastest available
2018-12-25T02:54:48 < specing> I haven't seen any uart enumerate in dmesg or /dev/tty*
2018-12-25T02:55:18 < karlp> maybe yours wasn't wired that way then.
2018-12-25T02:55:56 < specing> The schematics clearly show target chip's USART1 wired to the st-link device
2018-12-25T02:56:03 < karlp> I mean, it _totally_ makes sense to wire a uart to the debugger and just _not_ do anything with it irght?
2018-12-25T02:56:07 < specing> it is a stm32f072rb discovery
2018-12-25T02:56:24 < karlp> read teh user manual again?
2018-12-25T02:57:42 < specing> the only hit for USART in the 31-page pdf is on the schematics page, no hits for either USART, UART or serial in the text part
2018-12-25T02:58:41 < specing> It is weird to me, too
2018-12-25T02:58:50  * specing checks product page for more docs
2018-12-25T03:00:27 < karlp> no, they're thinking of the usb-uart on most of the recent stlinks, that's why they asked that?
2018-12-25T03:00:37 < karlp> do you have sb11/sb12 on or off?
2018-12-25T03:01:27 < karlp> but yeah, it's not mentioned the way it is for all the disco baords where it's supported
2018-12-25T03:01:33 < specing> karlp: they are in their default state, which accordying to doc is OFF
2018-12-25T03:01:37  * specing rechecks
2018-12-25T03:01:43 < karlp> you're into "hacking" mode if you want this
2018-12-25T03:02:04 < karlp> buy any of the nucleo f0 boards instead?
2018-12-25T03:02:38 < karlp> but definitely try the stlink updater first, check whether it just gets enabled by a fw update
2018-12-25T03:03:07 < specing> sb11,sb12 are not connected
2018-12-25T03:03:41 < karlp> well, they'd need to be connected for it to _work_ but you'd need fw that supports it to make the device appear on your host anyway
2018-12-25T03:03:45 < specing> Why would I be into "hacking" mode if I wanted this? Having USART forwarded would be more convenient than another dongle
2018-12-25T03:04:30 < specing> Cracki: I was told that semihosting means put puts the string to print into a buffer then uses a into-debugger instruction, so it is actually forwarded over JTAG and not USART
2018-12-25T03:04:31 < karlp> I mean "hacking mode" because it's not supported out of the box like it is on the other newer ones,
2018-12-25T03:05:01 < specing> Cracki: thus this has nothing to do with USART1 being connected to stlink :)
2018-12-25T03:05:20 < karlp> yeah, cracki'ðs a bright one :)
2018-12-25T03:05:34 < specing> okay, USART is not connected, due to sb11 and sb12 not being merged
2018-12-25T03:05:50 < specing> my guess is that it was intended before software was written to support it
2018-12-25T03:06:08 < karlp> all newer boards have it, yes.
2018-12-25T03:06:08 < englishman> I love f072 what a great chip
2018-12-25T03:06:17 < karlp> so have you actually tried an stlink update yet?
2018-12-25T03:06:29 < specing> karlp: I was actually thinking of buying one of those f344 discovery board for the SMPS parts ;)
2018-12-25T03:06:59 < specing> englishman: yes it seems like a great start as it is the simplest, yet feature-packed (and the code easily portable to <$1 f030)
2018-12-25T03:07:01 < karlp> your time must be cheap :)
2018-12-25T03:07:07 < englishman> disco boards dont come with stlink 2.1? I guess only nucleos do?
2018-12-25T03:07:22 < karlp> englishman: most of the newere ones do, i guess f072 was one of the last?
2018-12-25T03:07:27 < specing> karlp: I am learning this in my free time
2018-12-25T03:07:28 < englishman> possibly
2018-12-25T03:07:29 < karlp> l053 has the usb-uart working.
2018-12-25T03:08:07 < englishman> I have that disco but not nearby
2018-12-25T03:08:51 < englishman> why do you want to do that anyway? 
2018-12-25T03:08:58 < specing> Is there any other discovery other than f334 that has a SMPS converter attached to the stm32?
2018-12-25T03:09:00 < englishman> curious
2018-12-25T03:09:24 < specing> do what? usb-uart forwarding?
2018-12-25T03:09:30 < englishman> yeah
2018-12-25T03:09:50 < specing> for debugging. It is what I was doing on AVR (had no debugger for it).
2018-12-25T03:09:57 < englishman> ah
2018-12-25T03:10:04 < specing> I appologise if I did not know of better ways :)
2018-12-25T03:10:07 < englishman> stm32 has very nice onchip debugging
2018-12-25T03:10:16 < specing> I heard
2018-12-25T03:10:20 < englishman> printf debugging isn't really needed
2018-12-25T03:10:25 < englishman> once you set it up.
2018-12-25T03:10:38 < englishman> Keil is 100% free for f0/l0 too
2018-12-25T03:10:42 < specing> does the break instruction stall the execution or does it resume immidiately?
2018-12-25T03:10:49 < specing> nah I'm using gcc
2018-12-25T03:11:28 < karlp> semihosting stalls, it's definitely slow.
2018-12-25T03:11:35 < karlp> writing to a uart isn't magical either.
2018-12-25T03:12:19 < englishman> well you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink :)
2018-12-25T03:12:55 < specing> karlp: so it is actually better to DMA to usart and forget about it?
2018-12-25T03:13:11 < specing> I'm going to do SMPS control so it must not stall the cpu
2018-12-25T03:14:47  * karlp welcomes the return of flyback.
2018-12-25T03:15:43 < specing> karlp: DMAing to UART avoids stalling the CPU
2018-12-25T03:16:19 < karlp> yes, sprinkle dma on things, magic!
2018-12-25T03:16:22 < specing> I don't expect there to be many prints either, just sectional ones to make sure everything is working as intended
2018-12-25T03:17:04 < specing> apparently I have 16 KB of SRAM on board, which should take some time to exhaust :)
2018-12-25T03:17:05 < karlp> (you can implement rtt wihtout segger btw too)
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2018-12-25T03:17:29 < karlp> rtt is just a formalized way of saying, "here's some ram, let's use it as structured logging" and using any debugger to read it out.
2018-12-25T03:17:44 < karlp> not much trace on cm0 though...
2018-12-25T03:17:53 < karlp> you get itb, which is ~simlar to rtt
2018-12-25T03:18:27 < specing> at this point soldering and duct-taping an usb-serial dongle to the board sounds much easier
2018-12-25T03:19:00 < karlp> just leave it floating on your desk, why solder/tape?
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2018-12-25T03:19:34 < specing> for it to not float away
2018-12-25T03:19:49 < specing> I have many of these modules anyway, $0.7 from china free shipping
2018-12-25T03:21:32 < specing> is ##electronics leaking here? Can someone plug that leak?
2018-12-25T03:22:38 < BrainDamage> use a buttplug to seal the leak
2018-12-25T03:22:52 < BrainDamage> hi
2018-12-25T03:23:34 < BrainDamage> yeah, that's literally tap water where my grandma lives
2018-12-25T03:23:47 < BrainDamage> about 10km from the plant
2018-12-25T03:23:51 < BrainDamage> I've even visited it
2018-12-25T03:24:14 < karlp> BrainDamage: we have that issue here too :)
2018-12-25T03:24:37 < karlp> we're finally installing some proper water fountains with bottle filling support around town to try and stop the spread of bottles so mcuh
2018-12-25T03:25:35 < BrainDamage> we've started doing the same
2018-12-25T03:25:52 < BrainDamage> the weird thing is that people don't realize it's the same water from the aqueduct
2018-12-25T03:26:06 < BrainDamage> they think there's magic filters inbetween
2018-12-25T03:26:31 < BrainDamage> there's even the same /very faint/ smell of chlorine
2018-12-25T03:26:45 < BrainDamage> but the resting time in the bottle makes it go away
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2018-12-25T05:44:33 < dongs> so how the fuck does nettie work in altium disaster, i made a component and footprint thats just a 8mil trace
2018-12-25T05:44:52 < dongs> but if I put it between 2 nets (like i wanna connect agnd/dgnd under some qfn)
2018-12-25T05:45:03 < dongs> it throws component clearance violation
2018-12-25T05:48:29 < rajkosto> i have a footprint that includes a net tie
2018-12-25T05:48:40 < rajkosto> but i have to... have the same net on both
2018-12-25T05:48:47 < rajkosto> or it makes violations
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2018-12-25T05:51:19 < rajkosto> "The software automatically ignores short circuits created within a Net Tie PCB component, so a DRC error is not created."
2018-12-25T05:51:23 < rajkosto> "When creating the Net Tie symbol and footprint, set the Component Type to either Net Tie, or Net Tie in BOM."
2018-12-25T05:51:31 < dongs> yeah, i did all that
2018-12-25T05:51:41 < dongs> this is a clearance constraint tho
2018-12-25T05:51:52 < dongs> maybe i should just enbiggen it. lemme see.
2018-12-25T05:51:56 < rajkosto> not a short circuit constraint ?
2018-12-25T05:52:34 < dongs> correct
2018-12-25T05:53:42 < dongs> nice, that fixed it
2018-12-25T05:54:40 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/sT4fc89.png
2018-12-25T05:56:36 < rajkosto> where youre gonna put that IRL
2018-12-25T05:56:42 < dongs> hm?
2018-12-25T05:56:50 < rajkosto> so tiny
2018-12-25T05:57:01 < dongs> there's nothing to put, teh compoennt is just a trace
2018-12-25T05:57:01 < rajkosto> not a component ? but a trace ?
2018-12-25T05:57:22 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/96OIw6F.png
2018-12-25T05:57:23 < dongs> yes
2018-12-25T05:59:19 < dongs> the clearance thign was 'clearance between agnd/gnd' and it was between pads 1/2 of the nettie, so i just made it longer by one click
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2018-12-25T06:41:01 < dongs> The following content has been identified by the YouTube community as inappropriate or offensive to some audiences.
2018-12-25T06:48:52 < dongs> wat
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2018-12-25T07:28:14 < dongs> What did Cinderella say to the photographer?
2018-12-25T07:28:23 < dongs> "Someday my prints will come"
2018-12-25T07:28:33 < englishman> bad
2018-12-25T07:28:36 < dongs> sry
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2018-12-25T07:36:05 < bitmask> murry christmas
2018-12-25T07:40:50 < rajkosto> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Match_Girl yes merry christmas
2018-12-25T07:47:36 < rajkosto> yes please dont
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2018-12-25T08:50:46 < ColdKeyboard> Is there a HAL Periph lib for STM32F373?
2018-12-25T08:50:56 < ColdKeyboard> Or even a SDADC example for F3?
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2018-12-25T11:42:47 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wNDyKB4VlU
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2018-12-25T11:50:25 < Steffanx> Cats.
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2018-12-25T13:15:00 < antto> https://i.imgur.com/lUN8QWR.jpg
2018-12-25T13:20:07 < Steffanx> it seems the cat has a good day antto. How about you?
2018-12-25T13:20:21 < antto> it's an old pic
2018-12-25T13:23:34 < zyp> god jul
2018-12-25T13:24:21 < Steffanx> du også
2018-12-25T13:28:21 < specing> Are there any other discovery/nucleo kits (apart from f3348) that include multiple SMPS on board?
2018-12-25T13:30:54 < Steffanx> idk
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2018-12-25T13:43:19 < specing> Are there any other inexpensive kits with "interesting" components on board? e.g. a 3+ (2x3 fets) phase motor driver or whatever
2018-12-25T13:52:37 < specing> How complicated is using device USB without a library?
2018-12-25T13:56:49 < Steffanx> depends on your experience with usb i guess
2018-12-25T14:07:24 < dongs> specing: there's a couple motor controller kits from ST, mostly to advertise thier bridge/fet drivers
2018-12-25T14:08:22 < dongs> https://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/p-nucleo-ihm001.html for example
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2018-12-25T14:10:09 < dongs> https://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/motor-control-solution-eval-boards.html?querycriteria=productId=SC1077
2018-12-25T14:10:23 < dongs> and a bunch of boards here
2018-12-25T14:11:07 < dongs> https://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/stm3210b-mckit.html as well as this
2018-12-25T14:11:16 < dongs> my pal used this to make some ghetto bldc driver with one click
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2018-12-25T14:23:19 < zyp> specing, you'll basically be writing a small usb stack if you don't want to use a preexisting one
2018-12-25T14:25:45 < zyp> you'll need a layer to manage hardware (endpoint registers and buffer read/writes), a layer to handle events and state and a layer to handle a few standard control requests
2018-12-25T14:26:03 < zyp> in addition to whatever functionality you want to implement for your device
2018-12-25T14:26:19 < specing> so basically one lengthy interrupt handler 
2018-12-25T14:27:19 < zyp> IMO it's easier to poll the registers than to use interrupts
2018-12-25T14:28:00 < Steffanx> Talking about usb, i got laks usb partially running on F446, but i guess i need more proper tools + knowledge to get it running. It gets to "Enumeration done", then it receices an OUT packet for ep 0 and thats where it seems to end.
2018-12-25T14:28:04 < specing> no doubt
2018-12-25T14:28:30 < specing> Steffanx: "laks"?
2018-12-25T14:28:38 < zyp> oh, and you also need a way to supply the device and config descriptors, but you can do that externally and just put them in as binary blobs
2018-12-25T14:28:39 < Steffanx> Yeah, that's zyps stuff
2018-12-25T14:29:28 < zyp> specing, https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/usb
2018-12-25T14:29:54 < specing> zyp: so I just pack everything into a tight record?
2018-12-25T14:29:54 < Steffanx> Best change in F446 is that it has the Soft Disconnect bit set by default.
2018-12-25T14:30:18 < Steffanx> While the other/older F4s didnt have it set by default
2018-12-25T14:30:23 < zyp> hmm, which core does F446 have?
2018-12-25T14:30:35 < zyp> still dwc_otg?
2018-12-25T14:30:39 < Steffanx> yes
2018-12-25T14:30:53 < zyp> what Soft Disconnect bit?
2018-12-25T14:31:11 < dongs> i guess configurable pullup thing?
2018-12-25T14:31:53 < Steffanx> OTG_DCTL, SDIS bit. (i think it was called OTG_FS_DCTL in the past, but .. whats in a name)
2018-12-25T14:32:36 < zyp> I don't see that bit in my code, but ok
2018-12-25T14:32:41 < Steffanx> no, you dont have it.
2018-12-25T14:32:59 < Steffanx> Because it was not set for the F4[whatever older than 446]
2018-12-25T14:33:13 < Steffanx> So you there was no need to clear it
2018-12-25T14:33:23 < zyp> maybe the problem you have is related to the new core version changing the logic of the NOVBUSSENS bit
2018-12-25T14:33:34 < zyp> hmm, or not
2018-12-25T14:33:54 < zyp> you shouldn't get to enumeration done if that was the issue
2018-12-25T14:34:13 < zyp> specing, one for the device descriptor, one for the config descriptor
2018-12-25T14:34:22 < specing> seems easy zyp 
2018-12-25T14:34:35 < zyp> anything is easy if you know how
2018-12-25T14:34:59 < specing> actually the reference manual for f072 has a USB section about as long as on USART (as far as page count goes) 
2018-12-25T14:35:05 < specing> so I thought there must be a catch
2018-12-25T14:35:07 < Steffanx> i just need some more proper usb debugging tools, perhaps lunix can give me more information. Windows just says "ding dong":D
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2018-12-25T14:35:36 < zyp> Steffanx, you're looking at the usb_rblog?
2018-12-25T14:35:44 < Steffanx> I did look at that yes.
2018-12-25T14:36:35 < zyp> hmm
2018-12-25T14:37:17 < zyp> if you get to the point where it receives a packet but doesn't act correctly on it, it sounds like it might be the buffer read that's failing in some way
2018-12-25T14:37:24 < Steffanx> It ends up in USB_generic::handle_out, it has no handlers for the EP so it does nothing. And it gets a usb reset.
2018-12-25T14:37:41 < zyp> uh
2018-12-25T14:37:45 < Steffanx> or whatever.
2018-12-25T14:37:56 < zyp> you're getting an OUT packet on EP0 without a SETUP packet first?
2018-12-25T14:38:09 < zyp> control transactions always starts with SETUP
2018-12-25T14:41:00 < Steffanx> I do get a setup - GET_DESCRIPTOR
2018-12-25T14:41:31 < zyp> can you pastebin the whole log?
2018-12-25T14:41:56 < Steffanx> if only i used your rblog python stuf
2018-12-25T14:41:57 < Steffanx> f
2018-12-25T14:42:56 < zyp> that'd be preferable, yes, but just a dump of the buffer itself would also help
2018-12-25T14:43:46 < Steffanx> https://pastebin.com/MkUHdwZ8
2018-12-25T14:43:46 < zyp> specing, the reference manual only tells you what you need to know to implement the hardware layer
2018-12-25T14:44:19 < zyp> specing, the rest of usb you'll have to consult the usb manual for, which is probably longer than the entire f072 reference manual :)
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2018-12-25T14:46:44 < zyp> Steffanx, hmm
2018-12-25T14:47:09 < zyp> looks like host finds device, reads device descriptor correctly, issues a reset and then nothing more happens
2018-12-25T14:50:32 < zyp> the last log entry at timestamp 286 indicates the start of another SETUP packet 
2018-12-25T14:51:32 < Steffanx> Oh, i might have paused it too soon, => few seconds after starting, but it ends up doing not much.
2018-12-25T14:51:52 < zyp> it should have gotten another RXFIFO status right after that last one
2018-12-25T14:52:02 < Steffanx> ill wait a bit longer
2018-12-25T14:53:02 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/usb/dwc_otg.h#n20 <- ref. this, SETUP packets always arrive first with a type=6 event, followed by a type=4 event
2018-12-25T14:53:25 < zyp> stack reads out the packet at the first event and processes it at the second
2018-12-25T14:53:59 < Steffanx> https://pastebin.com/hNL8emqp that's till windows complains it does not understand.
2018-12-25T14:54:55 < zyp> that just shows the same thing happening over and over
2018-12-25T14:55:07 < zyp> with the host timing out after five seconds each time
2018-12-25T14:55:17 < zyp> seems like hardware gets stuck somewhere
2018-12-25T14:55:23 < Steffanx> Yes, that's what i assumed..
2018-12-25T14:56:01 < zyp> got to go, can look more at it later
2018-12-25T14:56:21 < Steffanx> ill try to find a lunix system. I only lunix in vms these days
2018-12-25T14:56:31 < dongs> USB in VMs works prety good
2018-12-25T14:56:45 < Steffanx> but does it require a proper ubs device?
2018-12-25T14:59:40 < dongs> what do you mean
2018-12-25T14:59:44 < dongs> oh to be forwarded?
2018-12-25T14:59:54 < dongs> possibly, good point
2018-12-25T15:00:09 < dongs> at least in vmware you can just say "connect anything that plugs in into foreground VM"
2018-12-25T15:00:16 < dongs> you can try that and see what happens
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2018-12-25T15:31:03 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sHxrpAN1nN5QS5B2qnjWCVwHAEqPjK1v/view?usp=sharing
2018-12-25T15:32:12 < specing> zyp: so there is a catch :)
2018-12-25T15:32:33 < specing> zyp: I also got worried because there were no USB code examples at the end
2018-12-25T15:33:16 < dongs> the biggest catch is it requires C++
2018-12-25T15:34:41 < Steffanx> there are examples specing.
2018-12-25T15:34:50 < Steffanx> if you are referring to zyps stuff
2018-12-25T15:37:59 < specing> why would it require C++?
2018-12-25T15:38:09 < dongs> not just C++, some gcc-only C++
2018-12-25T15:38:38 < specing> that is fine, I am using gcc. But why does it require C++?
2018-12-25T15:39:21 < dongs> beacuse all the shit is C++
2018-12-25T15:43:47 < Thorn> TIL: modern C++ is "gcc-only C++"
2018-12-25T15:43:56 < Thorn> >$7000 compilers
2018-12-25T15:45:25 < Steffanx> hah, Thorn  couldnt resist
2018-12-25T15:46:29 < Thorn> btw sdcc for stm8 got updated, supports modern C, large memory model and has better register allocation (-> lower stack usage)
2018-12-25T15:46:44 < Steffanx> no more cosmic.
2018-12-25T15:46:50 < Thorn> it's now the best compiler for stm8 (or at least they claim it is)
2018-12-25T15:47:21 < specing> dongs: I guess that is part of the reason I asked about implementing it myself
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2018-12-25T16:10:18 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GQ6pIvDeebFfcEykjgogeHWqX7AD7bk3/view?usp=sharing englishman, my network project
2018-12-25T16:13:46 < dongs> HUIHAIVEI
2018-12-25T16:14:00 < kakimir> yes
2018-12-25T16:14:27 < Steffanx> Why finnish stick to finnish?
2018-12-25T16:14:34 < kakimir> so I need to get proper router to kakezone
2018-12-25T16:14:46 < Steffanx> it looks so awful for technical documents
2018-12-25T16:14:49 < Steffanx> and it's fucking xmas kakimir  :P
2018-12-25T16:14:55 < kakimir> yes
2018-12-25T16:15:02 < Steffanx> hi
2018-12-25T16:15:43 < kakimir> hello
2018-12-25T16:15:49 < kakimir> merry christmas
2018-12-25T16:16:00 < Steffanx> how is your day today
2018-12-25T16:16:13 < kakimir> really lazy
2018-12-25T16:16:20 < Steffanx> excellent xmas day
2018-12-25T16:16:22 < kakimir> that chart is everything I have done today
2018-12-25T16:16:23 < Steffanx> will you eat deer today?
2018-12-25T16:16:27 < kakimir> no
2018-12-25T16:16:29 < kakimir> pork
2018-12-25T16:16:33 < kakimir> a lot of pork
2018-12-25T16:16:50 < Steffanx> like a completely grilled pork?
2018-12-25T16:16:54 < Steffanx> stuffed
2018-12-25T16:17:15 < kakimir> like ass of the pig baked in oven for 12hours
2018-12-25T16:17:19 < Steffanx> yay
2018-12-25T16:17:22 < Steffanx> 12 hours :D
2018-12-25T16:17:25 < kakimir> yes
2018-12-25T16:17:38 < kakimir> skinkka in svedish
2018-12-25T16:17:41 < kakimir> kinkku in finnish
2018-12-25T16:18:10 < Steffanx> when i google for skinkka: https://scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/827715a72bf5c3f24715d06f01444d47/5CBBED4E/t51.2885-15/e35/41633326_1869691903146333_6260135112158983457_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com&ig_cache_key=MTg3NzgzMDg0NTQ5NjM3MjM4MQ%3D%3D.2
2018-12-25T16:18:12 < Steffanx> that url
2018-12-25T16:18:41 < kakimir> skinka*
2018-12-25T16:19:11 < englishman> why is it all in swedish
2018-12-25T16:19:39 < Steffanx> because its not?
2018-12-25T16:19:40 < kakimir> let's promote swedish
2018-12-25T16:24:33 < Steffanx> ej
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2018-12-25T18:30:18 < Thorn> https://raamoprusland.nl/dossiers/geopolitiek/1169-so-who-won-2018
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2018-12-25T18:56:00 < zyp> kakimir, what sort of shit hardware do you have that only does 100FDX on fiber?
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2018-12-25T19:33:15 < Steffanx> AZ
2018-12-25T19:34:03 < Steffanx> M k(~barthess@nat-16-metro-pool-1-ip-2.cosmostv.by)n.  P
2018-12-25T19:35:24 < mawk> ok Steffanx 
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2018-12-25T19:51:24 < Steffanx> Lol whops
2018-12-25T19:51:37 < Steffanx> Phone in pants was talking
2018-12-25T19:53:14 < dongs> lolwat
2018-12-25T19:54:57 < Steffanx> I guess the screen wasnt locked. It happens.
2018-12-25T19:55:49 < specing> I heard the emergency responders are quite used to spurious calls made in this manner
2018-12-25T20:07:36 < mawk> my C parsing thing is almost done
2018-12-25T20:07:41 < mawk> it looks quite pro
2018-12-25T20:09:11 < specing> you are parsing C or parsing in C?
2018-12-25T20:09:22 < mawk> parsing C
2018-12-25T20:09:24 < mawk> from C++
2018-12-25T20:09:34 < mawk> I'm almost parsing C++, the two languages are very similar
2018-12-25T20:09:38 < mawk> but I target C code
2018-12-25T20:11:44 < mawk> let me screencap it
2018-12-25T20:13:03 < mawk> https://pix.watch/bv7cKI/yweAI7.png
2018-12-25T20:16:17 < Steffanx> Mawk in french -_-
2018-12-25T20:16:22 < mawk> lol
2018-12-25T20:16:24 < mawk> yeah
2018-12-25T20:16:29 < mawk> because the client is french
2018-12-25T20:16:40 < mawk> but the source code is in english
2018-12-25T20:17:05 < mawk> if you grab the things on the graph everything moves
2018-12-25T20:17:10 < mawk> it's calculated using a negative gravity model
2018-12-25T20:17:16 < mawk> so it moves quite organicly
2018-12-25T20:17:45 < mawk> also the edges of the graphs are calculated as springs with a given stiffness and damping factor
2018-12-25T20:18:06 < mawk> but doing all of this in JS comes with some cost, it takes a few seconds to load
2018-12-25T20:18:17 < Steffanx> Oh its js.
2018-12-25T20:18:18 < Steffanx> Yay
2018-12-25T20:18:23 < mawk> the graph is js
2018-12-25T20:18:31 < mawk> the parsing is C++, and the generation of the graph is in python
2018-12-25T20:18:44 < mawk> and the talking between C++ and python is with google's protobuf
2018-12-25T20:19:28 < Steffanx> Ah
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2018-12-25T20:21:10 < mawk> in the C++ I take clang's representation of the source code, the AST, then I shake it a bit to take the nodes I want and I make my own AST
2018-12-25T20:21:18 < mawk> with way less cross-refs and stuff
2018-12-25T20:21:26 < mawk> so easier to parse from python
2018-12-25T20:21:30 < mawk> then I pass it on to python
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2018-12-25T20:25:46 < Steffanx> What was the goal of all this again?
2018-12-25T20:26:09 < mawk> having a simple representation of a terrible attempt of making OO in C
2018-12-25T20:26:20 < mawk> because they refused C++ at the beggining of the project
2018-12-25T20:26:22 < mawk> and now it's too advanced
2018-12-25T20:26:23 < Laurenceb_12> https://preview.redd.it/7kplhw5m98621.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=ad63eb0f5158a40e43a2fc1d941a8c73465e4d9c
2018-12-25T20:26:32 < Steffanx> Sounds familiar.
2018-12-25T20:26:53 < mawk> yeah I already talked about it
2018-12-25T20:27:19 < Steffanx> No i mean, using "OO" C instead of C++.
2018-12-25T20:27:24 < mawk> ah lol
2018-12-25T20:27:25 < mawk> yeah
2018-12-25T20:27:27 < Steffanx> i know a (work) project that did it
2018-12-25T20:27:34 < mawk> well people have some prejudice against C++
2018-12-25T20:27:39 < Steffanx> Let's use C because one team member does not know C++
2018-12-25T20:27:39 < mawk> like, it adds a runtime penalty
2018-12-25T20:27:45 < mawk> lol
2018-12-25T20:28:10 < mawk> but if you disable both RTTI and exceptions then you have absolutely no runtime penalty for what you don't use, so if you code like in C you'll get the asm like in C
2018-12-25T20:28:37 < mawk> plus you get templates for free
2018-12-25T20:29:14 < Adluc> mawk: lib for that js graph thing?
2018-12-25T20:29:26 < mawk> http://visjs.org/
2018-12-25T20:46:01 < kakimir> zyp: the cheapest
2018-12-25T20:48:15 < kakimir> I'm positivelly suprised
2018-12-25T20:48:27 < kakimir> as those have not bricked
2018-12-25T20:49:34 < kakimir> zyp: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uRriC2bGEL9lBSzrxzwSUizeuo69XO22/view?usp=sharing
2018-12-25T20:49:47 < dongs> kiketastic
2018-12-25T20:51:20 < kakimir> note that I have 2 separate singlemode cables
2018-12-25T20:51:25 < kakimir> SC connectors
2018-12-25T20:51:40 < kakimir> I could run 2 connections there
2018-12-25T20:52:47 < kakimir> hey I go to shengzhen.. I should go there with empty bags
2018-12-25T20:53:10 < kakimir> to get stuff like gigabit fiber converters
2018-12-25T20:55:46 < kakimir> that I have no way to test when I buy them
2018-12-25T20:56:05 < kakimir> dongs: how is christmas?
2018-12-25T20:57:04 < kakimir> are you in north america with family?
2018-12-25T20:57:13 < dongs> no lol
2018-12-25T20:57:17 < dongs> nobody gives a fuck about christmas in japan
2018-12-25T20:57:37 < catphish> tonight is a night for good whiskey https://i.imgur.com/NVsqqCB.jpg
2018-12-25T20:57:43 < kakimir> how about lunar new year?
2018-12-25T20:58:05 < kakimir> or christ was born/ded new year?
2018-12-25T20:58:32 < kakimir> you have had some catphish? :)
2018-12-25T20:59:20 < catphish> kakimir: yep :)
2018-12-25T20:59:30 < kakimir> I can see it in your eyes
2018-12-25T21:02:53 < catphish> i suspect that's more the result of illness, tiredness, and sitting comfortably in a very hot room
2018-12-25T21:02:56 < kakimir> is stuff even that much cheaper in shengzhen market than via ebay?
2018-12-25T21:03:20 < kakimir> catphish: I was in food coma yesterday
2018-12-25T21:03:26 < catphish> kakimir: probably not dramatically, if by ebay you mean via china post
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2018-12-25T21:04:20 < catphish> i believe china post is heavily subsidized, so they can ship stuff to you at china price, on the other hand, i've never been to shenzen (my wife refuses to go near the place) so i wouldn't know
2018-12-25T21:04:44 < kakimir> what is the deal with converters with one or two SC ports
2018-12-25T21:05:16 < catphish> SC?
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2018-12-25T21:06:40 < kakimir> http://www.fiberopticshare.com/sc-vs-lc.html
2018-12-25T21:07:25 < kakimir> some converters have FDX1000 with just one SC connector
2018-12-25T21:07:40 < kakimir> mine has 2 connectors 2 fibers and FDX100
2018-12-25T21:10:12 < Steffanx> what did you pay kakimir ?
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2018-12-25T21:10:38 < Steffanx> You killed him
2018-12-25T21:11:17 < kakimir> Steffanx: under 30eur
2018-12-25T21:11:31 < kakimir> came with shitty psus that I threw instantly to bin
2018-12-25T21:11:32 < Steffanx> for everyhing?
2018-12-25T21:11:37 < kakimir> 2 converters
2018-12-25T21:11:42 < kakimir> cable was like 50eur
2018-12-25T21:11:49 < kakimir> 1eur = 1meter
2018-12-25T21:11:59 < kakimir> chinesium
2018-12-25T21:12:12 < kakimir> 2 fibers with SC connectors
2018-12-25T21:12:24 < PaulFertser> If I have a foam + alu foil heat insulation, is it better to attach it to print bed foil first (to reflect IR back right away but risking heating up the foil itself and letting it radiate IR down through foam) or foam first (to reflact back IR that passes through foam but risking letting it absorb more of it while it's passing back and forth)?
2018-12-25T21:14:01 < kakimir> I will buy another set of converters for reduntancy now
2018-12-25T21:14:53 < PaulFertser> Cracki: printer manufacturer doesn't insulate the bed at all, and the insulation manufacturer says it's good for saunas.
2018-12-25T21:16:27 < kakimir> sauna season is on
2018-12-25T21:16:34 < kakimir> everyday sauna
2018-12-25T21:16:56 < PaulFertser> I'm not sure but even if I find that out, I can't be sure that is applicable because with a print bed I'm attaching insulation directly to the heater, sauna is different.
2018-12-25T21:17:38 < mawk> lol Laurenceb 
2018-12-25T21:17:49 < mawk> "spur mutual understanding"
2018-12-25T21:17:55 < mawk> I hope they don't actually believe that
2018-12-25T21:18:01 < mawk> the only thing they will provoke is more hatred
2018-12-25T21:18:29 < mawk> viewing this card would give murder velleities to anyone with their temporal lobes untouched
2018-12-25T21:18:47 < mawk> velleities
2018-12-25T21:19:03 < mawk> https://translate.google.fr/#view=home&op=translate&sl=fr&tl=en&text=vell%C3%A9it%C3%A9s
2018-12-25T21:19:06 < mawk> lol
2018-12-25T21:20:50 < PaulFertser> Cracki: I have some 3M glue and I know it's good enough to glue it foil first to the heater. But I can secure the insulation by a plywood board underneath.
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2018-12-25T21:35:36 < kakimir> I just gave one eizo monitors to my cousins to play fortnite tonight
2018-12-25T21:36:40 < kakimir> I made them walk from neighbour so that I'm not involved in anything but giving a monitor to them for no particular purpose
2018-12-25T21:36:56 < kakimir> I already asked them to show some dances
2018-12-25T21:37:01 < kakimir> so cool
2018-12-25T21:37:16 < kakimir> it's like retarded but cool same time
2018-12-25T21:37:48 < kakimir> some hand swinging thing
2018-12-25T21:38:54 < kakimir> hmm I think I will install my uap-ac-lite to wall and call it a day
2018-12-25T21:39:14 < kakimir> now it's just hanging from it's wire in my cabin shelves
2018-12-25T21:40:45 < kakimir> I also gave them a switch and ethernet cables
2018-12-25T21:46:50 < Laurenceb_12> https://hackaday.com/2018/12/24/arduino-and-pi-share-boardspace/
2018-12-25T21:47:23 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qwA0WmUKoMmLwLo9BDzbprvHQj5Me_IA/view?usp=sharing christmas is a time to spend together
2018-12-25T21:48:06 < kakimir> you need to know ham reference
2018-12-25T21:49:52 < Steffanx> hows the ham kakimir
2018-12-25T21:50:40 < kakimir> ham is good
2018-12-25T21:50:54 < kakimir> you need to place sweet mustard on top of it
2018-12-25T21:51:28 < kakimir> ate to much yesterday I went in coma
2018-12-25T21:55:05 < kakimir> how did bbc micro do?
2018-12-25T21:55:12 < kakimir> I have not heard of it since
2018-12-25T21:55:16 < kakimir> it was launched
2018-12-25T22:02:58  * catphish in tatters remains of british empire, never seen one
2018-12-25T22:03:03 < catphish> *tattered
2018-12-25T22:06:57 < catphish> i'm still annoyed by the complexity / lacking documentation of cheap PC-ish ARM SoCs
2018-12-25T22:07:13 < catphish> these allwinner things are sexy, but the complexity is high
2018-12-25T22:07:50 < catphish> i love the docs for the STM32, walks you through whatever you might want to do
2018-12-25T22:08:22 < catphish> allwinner docs are basically just a list of registers (and then not necessrily complete)
2018-12-25T22:08:30 < catphish> which is better than most cortex-a devices
2018-12-25T22:09:04 < catphish> i think the thing they use the the RPi has moderately good documentation, but the one part i'm the most interested in (the display output) is not well documented
2018-12-25T22:09:57 < catphish> well they're all pretty similar sadly, so can't blame any particular company
2018-12-25T22:11:18 < catphish> this allwinner seemed like a safe bet, but after days of trying, i still can't get anything to display on the display (unless, weirdly, a better OS than mine has booted on it previously and then it's been reset)
2018-12-25T22:13:11 < catphish> well there are several issues here
2018-12-25T22:13:22 < catphish> one is that they keep changing SoC in the Pi
2018-12-25T22:13:41 < catphish> the original one has pretty extensive docs
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2018-12-25T22:14:57 < catphish> but neither the SoC manual nor the video driver manual contain the word "HDMI", so not sure there's much hope
2018-12-25T22:15:20 < catphish> so i gave up on the RPi idea
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2018-12-25T22:15:59 < catphish> i'd be pretty sure it was native, but haven't checked
2018-12-25T22:17:43 < catphish> i was on that same page right now
2018-12-25T22:17:52 < catphish> i was about to ask, is this not supposed to be open source?
2018-12-25T22:17:56 < catphish> maybe it's not :(
2018-12-25T22:18:32 < catphish> i guess it's not
2018-12-25T22:18:52 < catphish> oh yeah, that's the other crazy thing about the Pi, the bootloader runs on the GPU
2018-12-25T22:18:57 < catphish> i'm not into that
2018-12-25T22:19:23 < catphish> i thought it would
2018-12-25T22:19:52 < catphish> now compare that to this allwinner a20 manual (the most complete of their manuals i believe) http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/A20/A20%20User%20Manual%202013-03-22.pdf
2018-12-25T22:20:26 < catphish> it doesn't have many words of explanation, but it does have registers listed and named
2018-12-25T22:21:49 < catphish> i'm using a more modern allwinner chip which is somewhat cheaper, better, and the documentation is slightly more "sporadic", but generally available
2018-12-25T22:23:17 < catphish> the second one
2018-12-25T22:23:48 < catphish> with that said, it's all supported by linux, so one can copy/paste from linux
2018-12-25T22:24:47 < catphish> lol
2018-12-25T22:25:33 < catphish> yeah weirdly "reserved" sometimes means "you should know what this does, don't ask"
2018-12-25T22:33:47 < kakimir> tia568a or b?
2018-12-25T22:33:53 < kakimir> what is your flavour?
2018-12-25T22:35:01 < catphish> kakimir: whichever one the cable maker sends me :)
2018-12-25T22:35:24 < Laurenceb_12> https://postimg.cc/Z0LmrZgc
2018-12-25T22:36:55 < catphish> haha
2018-12-25T22:37:20 < catphish> one problem
2018-12-25T22:37:48 < catphish> isn't that particular dispute between muslims and jews, neither of whom could give less of a damn about what jesus did
2018-12-25T22:38:22 < catphish> and by muslims and jews, what i really mean is "people who live in one part of the country, and people who live in the other"
2018-12-25T22:38:34 < catphish> because who really cares about that religious crap in 2018
2018-12-25T22:39:09 < englishman> internet trolls
2018-12-25T22:39:31 < Steffanx> *troll activity
2018-12-25T22:39:45 < catphish> to troll, you have to have a triggerable audience :)
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2018-12-25T22:43:42 < catphish> TIL that apropos is a word
2018-12-25T22:44:41 < PaulFertser> Cracki: my need is to insulate the bottom of the bed so that all the heat goes up as the heater is weak and thus slow.
2018-12-25T22:57:11 < qyx> anyone knows where to get load cells in EU cheaply?
2018-12-25T22:57:15 < zyp> kakimir, t568b
2018-12-25T22:57:19 < kakimir> yes
2018-12-25T22:57:31 < kakimir> that is the right answer as I just made cable with t568b
2018-12-25T22:58:36 < zyp> I've never seen anything else used unless you count one end of the old crossover cables people used back before everything had auto-MDI-X
2018-12-25T22:59:31 < qyx> same here
2018-12-25T23:00:19 < zyp> kakimir, also where did you even find those media converters? even the cheapest shit I've seen does gigabit
2018-12-25T23:00:58 < catphish> i've heard most people use t568b
2018-12-25T23:04:31 < zyp> doesn't matter much though
2018-12-25T23:04:38 < catphish> indeed
2018-12-25T23:05:33 < zyp> you can obviously do whatever as long as you do it the same in both ends, but all modern equipment will work just fine even if you don't
2018-12-25T23:07:01 < catphish> as long as you have either t568a or t568b at each end you're good
2018-12-25T23:07:15 < catphish> ideally the same one, or people think you're a little mad :)
2018-12-25T23:08:06 < zyp> hmm
2018-12-25T23:09:03 < zyp> I wonder if gigabit phys handle swapping of other pairs than 2/3
2018-12-25T23:09:09 < catphish> also, while swapping the pairs will work for ethernet, it's not going to work for anything else that uses the cable
2018-12-25T23:09:38 < catphish> zyp: with gigabit you have to cross 2 pairs of pairs, or nothing
2018-12-25T23:10:05 < catphish> if you cross only pairs 2/3, it might work, but some gigabit devices will fail and fall back to 100Mbit
2018-12-25T23:10:14 < zyp> the old crossover cables only crosses 2/3
2018-12-25T23:10:30 < catphish> yeah, i've seen those cause gig equipment to negotiate to 100M
2018-12-25T23:10:43 < zyp> I haven't tested
2018-12-25T23:11:23 < zyp> all my recent detailed experience is on 100M stuff from work
2018-12-25T23:12:12 < catphish> some gig stuff is more tolerant and you can connect any of the 4 pairs to any other and it'll figure it out :)
2018-12-25T23:12:21 < zyp> the 100M phys I use handle both auto-MDI-X and polarity being swapped
2018-12-25T23:12:39 < zyp> but naturally pairs 1 and 4 wouldn't do anything as they are not even hooked up
2018-12-25T23:12:50 < catphish> well yeah those pins won't do anything in 100M
2018-12-25T23:13:12 < zyp> to be fair, my devices doesn't even have them, they use D-coded M12 connectors
2018-12-25T23:13:29 < zyp> (only four pins in the connector, unused pairs are completely left out)
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2018-12-25T23:13:43 < catphish> nobody fully understands gigabit ethernet, but the only correct way to wire them is either straight through or with 1/4 and 2/3 crossed
2018-12-25T23:14:12 < catphish> and really, there's no sanity in making a cable anything other than straight through in this century
2018-12-25T23:14:31 < zyp> I've never seen anybody actually cross 1/4, I doubt it's ever been done on purpose
2018-12-25T23:14:47 < zyp> after all, 1gbase-t is bidir on all pairs
2018-12-25T23:15:09 < catphish> actually, those might not be the right pins to cross for 1G
2018-12-25T23:16:21 < catphish> zyp: that's true, but it's actually a little more complicated than that i recently learned
2018-12-25T23:16:35 < zyp> in what sense?
2018-12-25T23:16:39 < catphish> there *is* a crossover needed in gigabit, though it's generally handled internally
2018-12-25T23:16:57 < catphish> i don't know why, but after a lot of reading, it turns out it is actually a thing
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2018-12-25T23:18:18 < catphish> a correct ethernet crossover cable is t568a to t568b like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable#/media/File:Vergleich_2von2_Crossoverkabel.jpg
2018-12-25T23:18:33 < catphish> and for reasons i don't understand, this is how gigabit actually runs
2018-12-25T23:19:57 < catphish> even though there are no dedicated tx and rx pairs, i assume there are differences in how each end transmits (else how would collisions be avoided)
2018-12-25T23:20:06 < zyp> I bet autoneg is unidir on 2/3
2018-12-25T23:20:15 < zyp> yes, there's a clock master
2018-12-25T23:20:54 < catphish> that makes sense, so anyway, i don't understand it, but i'm assured there's a crossover somewhere on all 4 lines
2018-12-25T23:21:31 < catphish> i've read it in the official spec (which defines the cable, then goes on to say nobody ever actually needs to use such a cable)
2018-12-25T23:21:51 < zyp> I don't fully know how it works either, but eh :)
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2018-12-25T23:37:25 < ds2> GigE uses ECAN's
2018-12-25T23:37:32 < kakimir> zyp: it was years ago
2018-12-25T23:37:33 < ds2> so they all speak on the same wires
2018-12-25T23:37:42 < kakimir> I had those in my stock for like 5years
2018-12-25T23:37:48 < kakimir> until my dream actualized
2018-12-25T23:39:23 < kakimir> commercial nas or pc based solution?
2018-12-25T23:41:01 < ds2> hmmm wonder if kickstarter got hacked
2018-12-25T23:41:10 < kakimir> dongs.
2018-12-25T23:45:43 < Steffanx> Dependa on your needs kakimir 
2018-12-25T23:45:54 < Steffanx> Some multibay synology isnt that cheap either
2018-12-25T23:46:03 < kakimir> multibay indeed
2018-12-25T23:46:06 < kakimir> raid is must
2018-12-25T23:46:09 < ds2> what kind of storage media?
2018-12-25T23:46:11 < ds2> oh rotating
2018-12-25T23:46:17 < kakimir> 3.5" rotating
2018-12-25T23:46:27 < kakimir> or is 2.5" better nowdays?
2018-12-25T23:46:31 < Steffanx> Nah
2018-12-25T23:46:59 < Steffanx> Freenas is nicw
2018-12-25T23:47:01 < Steffanx> Nice.
2018-12-25T23:47:39 < kakimir> should I have seperate pc as firewall / router?
2018-12-25T23:48:11 < Steffanx> Depends on your needs
2018-12-25T23:48:22 < Lux> kakimir: i've looked at that thing for a nas: https://www.pine64.org/?product=rockpro64-4gb-single-board-computer
2018-12-25T23:48:39 < Steffanx> Get a unifi fw/router kakimir :P
2018-12-25T23:48:42 < kakimir> my situation is that I need a router / firewall too
2018-12-25T23:48:43 < Lux> you can also get a nas case for it: https://www.pine64.org/?product=rockpro64-metal-desktopnas-casing
2018-12-25T23:49:01 < Lux> and it should easily handle gbit networking speeds
2018-12-25T23:49:38 < kakimir> pine hmm
2018-12-25T23:49:47 < kakimir> you throw raid card there?
2018-12-25T23:50:25 < Lux> yeah it takes a 4x pci-e to sata card
2018-12-25T23:50:53 < Lux> for the router i got that: https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x/
2018-12-25T23:51:04 < kakimir> what is the terabyte number nowdays that is the solid buy
2018-12-25T23:51:06 < Lux> pretty cheap at 50 bucks and works well so far
2018-12-25T23:51:10 < kakimir> that doesn't brick immidietelly
2018-12-25T23:51:23 < Steffanx> 10TB
2018-12-25T23:51:30 < kakimir> seriously?
2018-12-25T23:51:35 < Lux> but it won't do full gbit routing, more like 500-800mbit
2018-12-25T23:51:37 < Steffanx> Wd red or something :P
2018-12-25T23:51:50 < Steffanx> Only costs 320 euro bucks
2018-12-25T23:51:58 < Steffanx> :P
2018-12-25T23:51:59 < ds2> what are you using the raid for?
2018-12-25T23:52:34 < kakimir> it's to deal with the first disk failure
2018-12-25T23:52:56 < ds2> what about the NAS itself?
2018-12-25T23:53:18 < kakimir> ?
2018-12-25T23:53:23 < ds2> RAID can get you performance or redundancy or so some combo depending on the level
2018-12-25T23:53:37 < kakimir> redundancy and capacity
2018-12-25T23:53:41 < kakimir> in that order
2018-12-25T23:53:42 < ds2> are you streaming stuff off the NAS or just an archival thing or using it as a build storage
2018-12-25T23:53:47 < kakimir> archive
2018-12-25T23:53:52 < kakimir> and automatic backups
2018-12-25T23:54:02 < ds2> so performance is not high on the list then
2018-12-25T23:54:19 < kakimir> nope
2018-12-25T23:54:45 < ds2> IMO, from a recovery stand point... a mirroring setup is probally easiest
2018-12-25T23:55:33 < ds2> a lot of "RAID" has extra metadata overhead that makes it a PITA to recover if you lost the orignal HW.. I have had some off the shelf NAS's die but the at least 1 HD is still good
2018-12-25T23:56:09 < Lux> that's why you do software raid
2018-12-25T23:56:47 < ds2> that's not much better...the @#$#@$@# meta data it add still complicates recovery
2018-12-25T23:57:08 < kakimir> I understood that softraid is better if you don't need the performance
2018-12-25T23:57:19 < kakimir> because else you are dependant on raid controller
2018-12-25T23:57:28 < kakimir> you need the exact flavour to work
2018-12-25T23:57:34 < Lux> in soho you'll never need the performance
2018-12-25T23:57:36 < kakimir> if controller fails
2018-12-25T23:57:55 < ds2> having done enough recovery that I find the trouble of manually mirroring it worth while... (pay up front rather then panic when something bad happens)
2018-12-25T23:58:20 < ds2> unless you are using it for video stuff
2018-12-25T23:58:24 < Lux> i'd also get an external hard drive you do backups on once a month or so
2018-12-25T23:58:47 < Steffanx> I used freenas with zfs2
2018-12-25T23:58:48 < Lux> from the nas
2018-12-25T23:58:58 < Steffanx> Works like a charm
2018-12-25T23:59:17 < Steffanx> But nothing died yet
2018-12-25T23:59:31 < kakimir> I wont backup my nas
2018-12-25T23:59:36 < kakimir> my nas is the backup
2018-12-25T23:59:39 < Steffanx> So cant tell hwo recovering will work out
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2018-12-26T00:00:38 < ds2> does freenas use the MD driver?
2018-12-26T00:00:43 < Steffanx> Its also my media server, but have the media on a different disk. (Have to upgrade to more disk soon)
2018-12-26T00:02:08 < Steffanx> No? Thats what zfs does right?
2018-12-26T00:02:20 < Lux> kakimir: you should ;)
2018-12-26T00:02:27 < kakimir> no
2018-12-26T00:02:33 < kakimir> my nas is the plan b
2018-12-26T00:02:58 < ds2> MD would be underneath zfs
2018-12-26T00:02:59 < kakimir> is it normal to do client side crypting for data on nas?
2018-12-26T00:03:10 < ds2> MD creates a virtual drive out of a bunch of physical drives
2018-12-26T00:03:38 < ds2> but in the process it adds metadata that makes it hard to just pop the drive into another machine and start pulling data out
2018-12-26T00:03:54 < kakimir> my friend said lvm is important
2018-12-26T00:04:15 < ds2> lvm has that same problem
2018-12-26T00:04:37 < ds2> if you enjoy figuring out lvm utterances before you can read out your data...
2018-12-26T00:04:39 < Steffanx> Afaik zfs does it all by itself
2018-12-26T00:05:27 < Steffanx> But im no expert. Im happy there is a GUI for most things :P
2018-12-26T00:06:04 < qyx> btrfs/zfs whatever,  I like dmraid + lvm + ext4
2018-12-26T00:06:27 < ds2> if the GUI can still work for you then everything I am saying is irrelevant
2018-12-26T00:07:20 < Steffanx> Nah, no. Probably not.
2018-12-26T00:07:50 < Steffanx> Ive no clue what to do when the hw, except the disks, die.
2018-12-26T00:08:14 < Steffanx> I can probably import the pool(s)
2018-12-26T00:08:55 < qyx> *mdraid I meant
2018-12-26T00:09:01 < ds2> no... you misunderstood what I am saying
2018-12-26T00:09:31 < ds2> if the GUI can still work - you are not that deep in... problem is when things fail, it goes sideways and GUIs don't work anymore
2018-12-26T00:10:18 < Steffanx> Or the GUI is amazingly good. Lol.
2018-12-26T00:11:02 < ds2> Cracki: got names of those? 
2018-12-26T00:11:43 < ds2> Hmmmm 3ware and LSI... need to keep an eye out for them
2018-12-26T00:11:59 < ds2> Cracki: do they behave sanely if one drive is missing (i.e. degraded mode)?
2018-12-26T00:12:54 < ds2> I have see stuff that hangs if one drive is still connected but dead/dying
2018-12-26T00:13:28 < ds2> yes, hence why I have such a low opinion of them
2018-12-26T00:13:57 < ds2> the only "RAID" setup that I have ever found satisfactory is one of those old NetApp boxes
2018-12-26T00:20:39 < Steffanx> From what I can see its actually just moving the disks to a new system and import them there (using the gui or command line) ds2
2018-12-26T00:20:51 < Steffanx> If that doesnt work im reqlly screwed anyway
2018-12-26T00:20:55 < Steffanx> Really*
2018-12-26T00:21:29 < Steffanx> That means i lost 3 from the 5 disks probably.
2018-12-26T00:24:20 < zyp> not much point in using hardware raid nowadays, software gives you more flexibility and you don't have to rely on one piece of hardware to give you access to your data :p
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2018-12-26T00:26:05 < zyp> yeah
2018-12-26T00:26:42 < zyp> IIRC I benchmarked my raid to 800 MB/s read and write, that's plenty fast enough :p
2018-12-26T00:26:57 < zyp> 16x3TB in raidz3
2018-12-26T00:27:50 < zyp> lots of porn and lots of other stuff too
2018-12-26T00:28:04 < Steffanx> dont tell your wife
2018-12-26T00:28:08 < zyp> still <40% full too, after having had it for five and a half years
2018-12-26T00:28:53 < ds2> 3 of 5? that's a raid not just mirroring (RAID1 or RAID0 IIRC)
2018-12-26T00:28:56 < Steffanx> ill give up on laks usb stuff for now zyp. Cant make it work lack the knowledge/tools to make it work.
2018-12-26T00:29:38 < zyp> Steffanx, hmm, we could poke around with it together some time
2018-12-26T00:29:39 < Steffanx> Checked with libopencm3 and I already did the fixes they had for the f446
2018-12-26T00:29:48 < zyp> did you make any more progress since earlier today?
2018-12-26T00:29:55 < Steffanx> No, not really.
2018-12-26T00:30:28 < Steffanx> I have no clue why it ends with the OUT transfer complete status.
2018-12-26T00:30:37 < Steffanx> before it's reset again
2018-12-26T00:30:44 < zyp> huh?
2018-12-26T00:30:53 < Steffanx> it seems to end with that, from what i see in the log
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2018-12-26T00:31:46 < Steffanx> Im no expert so i might say weird/incorrect shit :P
2018-12-26T00:31:50 < zyp> the log you showed me earlier today showed first a normal descriptor read that completed successfully, then a reset followed by a SETUP-packet that only triggered one of the two events it should
2018-12-26T00:31:57 < zyp> as far as I could tell
2018-12-26T00:33:11 < zyp> Steffanx, if you have time to poke around in gdb, we could probe some registers
2018-12-26T00:37:30 < Steffanx> Oh i do.
2018-12-26T00:37:45 < Steffanx> actually using TrueStudio atm but that shouldnt be an issue
2018-12-26T00:38:16 < zyp> hmm, wait a moment, let me revisit the log you posted earlier today
2018-12-26T00:39:48 < karlp> Steffanx: what are these "fixes for f446" ?
2018-12-26T00:40:33 < Steffanx> Just the vbus sense bit that change it's function and others no longer exist
2018-12-26T00:40:52 < Steffanx> the the soft disconnect bit being set by default.
2018-12-26T00:41:30 < Steffanx> *and the
2018-12-26T00:41:31 < karlp> we've had detection of the slightly newer version of the otg core for a while now, or are you trying to _not_ have some of the auto connect stuff?
2018-12-26T00:41:56 < Steffanx> im actually just trying to make laks run.
2018-12-26T00:42:18 < Steffanx> properly.
2018-12-26T00:42:57 < zyp> hmm, 
2018-12-26T00:43:33 < zyp> actually, I think it might be more useful to add another line to rblog
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2018-12-26T00:48:27 < zyp> Steffanx, try adding something like: usb_rblog.log("handle_rxfifo end: %08x %08x", otg.reg.GINTSTS, otg.reg.GRXSTSR); to the end of handle_rxfifo()
2018-12-26T00:51:25 < Steffanx> i should get that rblog python stuff to work probably, more useful than printing it using gdb
2018-12-26T00:51:48 < Steffanx> it = the raw rblog data
2018-12-26T00:51:49 < zyp> also true
2018-12-26T00:51:58 < Steffanx> anyway https://pastebin.com/S0zTBQf7
2018-12-26T00:53:16 < zyp> wait, wat
2018-12-26T00:54:51 < zyp> hmm, okay, there's a ton of interupt flags set that I simply don't care about :p
2018-12-26T00:55:34 < zyp> anyway, that print doesn't seem to be very useful, it seems to happen too early
2018-12-26T00:56:51 < zyp> maybe a 1ms sleep before the print would help
2018-12-26T00:57:07 < zyp> i.e. Time::sleep(1);
2018-12-26T00:58:18 < zyp> the problem with probing shit in the debugger here is that when the host times out and sends a reset after five seconds, the stuff I'm interested in seeing would get flushed
2018-12-26T01:02:05 < kakimir> I wonder if I should hack my huawei and call it a day
2018-12-26T01:02:50 < Steffanx> ill first get the python stuff to work, otherwise it takes too much time
2018-12-26T01:03:13 < Steffanx> the sleep doesnt seem to change anything in the output, at least not in the last few items i checked
2018-12-26T01:03:42 < englishman> by "huawei" don't you mean "stolen Nortel IP"
2018-12-26T01:05:58 < kakimir> nortel
2018-12-26T01:06:03 < kakimir> I need to check that
2018-12-26T01:06:15 < kakimir> https://blog.hqcodeshop.fi/archives/289-Huawei-E5186-Firmware-Upgrade-with-Multicast-Upgrade-Tool.html
2018-12-26T01:06:56 < Steffanx> a .fi website not in finnish.
2018-12-26T01:06:57 < Steffanx> DAMN
2018-12-26T01:11:11 < kakimir> englishman: stolen or sold?
2018-12-26T01:15:40 < englishman> https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/former-nortel-exec-warns-against-working-with-huawei-1.1137006
2018-12-26T01:15:53 < englishman> https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/dnd-may-abandon-1b-move-to-former-nortel-site-because-of-surveillance-bugs-1.1477766
2018-12-26T01:17:42 < kakimir> canadian companies are the fav of china
2018-12-26T01:20:11 < Steffanx> zyp: https://pastebin.com/K9xfDFXq
2018-12-26T01:21:45 < zyp> ah, nice
2018-12-26T01:21:47 < zyp> that looks better
2018-12-26T01:22:05 < zyp> wait, wat
2018-12-26T01:22:10 < zyp> ah
2018-12-26T01:22:48 < Steffanx> Yeah, i posted the log with and without the 1 ms sleep before printing the handle_rxfifo end
2018-12-26T01:23:10 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JbE6qdiSOkrzbYpbhx3Dy5jhz27l0Owh/view?usp=sharing ham
2018-12-26T01:23:38 < Steffanx> Expected more.. pig.
2018-12-26T01:24:08 < Steffanx> Did you just start with the pig kakimir ?
2018-12-26T01:26:14 < kakimir> yesterday
2018-12-26T01:26:40 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fFsKKMF4esHQWnKYGPD--VhqRlShZBOV/view?usp=sharing mancave uap-ac-lite
2018-12-26T01:27:17 < Steffanx> no fancy led?
2018-12-26T01:27:38 < Steffanx> Mine is a nice night light in the hall way
2018-12-26T01:27:40 < Steffanx> up stairs
2018-12-26T01:28:06 < kakimir> leds off
2018-12-26T01:29:06 < kakimir> next thing is to paint those moose horns
2018-12-26T01:29:11 < kakimir> whyte
2018-12-26T01:30:21 < zyp> Steffanx, I'm a bit confused at what I'm looking at, what changes do you have from master laks?
2018-12-26T01:32:54 < zyp> judging by lines 50-54 in your trace, handle_out responds to type=3 event, not type=2 event like it should, I don't get why
2018-12-26T01:33:45 < zyp> i.e. handle_out log should have come as second line in block, not fourth
2018-12-26T01:34:11 < Steffanx> maybe i fucked up while messing around, not impossible.
2018-12-26T01:34:34 < zyp> do you have a git diff?
2018-12-26T01:35:18 < Steffanx> I wish to say yes, but i see i copied it from some other project... no git no more. Will pull a new copy and do the changes
2018-12-26T01:35:24 < zyp> haha, ok
2018-12-26T01:36:24 < zyp> anyway, if that is actually happening, it shouldn't be harmful, the event is just the status stage that gets ignored anyway
2018-12-26T01:36:52 < Steffanx> Yeah it seems i messed up there. while messing around
2018-12-26T01:37:22 < zyp> how? did you change this to 0x3? https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/usb/dwc_otg.h#n33
2018-12-26T01:37:26 < Steffanx> yessir
2018-12-26T01:37:30 < Steffanx> not sure why
2018-12-26T01:37:39 < zyp> okay, that's not gonna work
2018-12-26T01:37:48 < zyp> are you sure the others are sane?
2018-12-26T01:38:12 < Steffanx> nah, ill pull a new copy and do the minor changes required and report back
2018-12-26T01:38:43 < zyp> okay, I might pop out for a shower soon but I'll be back after
2018-12-26T01:40:12 < zyp> or later, shower's apparently busy now :p
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2018-12-26T01:44:52 < kakimir> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HTB-1100S-Optical-Media-Converter-10-100Mbps-RJ45-Single-Mode-Duplex-Fiber-SC-port-Converter-25KM/32696062004.html the box is still sold.. probs not made by original manuf
2018-12-26T01:44:57 < Steffanx> i just fucked that up very recently i remember now, zyp  :P
2018-12-26T01:46:12 < zyp> haha
2018-12-26T01:46:16 < Steffanx> anyway, just pulled master, did the tiny changes and .. its back to where i was this afternoon. 
2018-12-26T01:46:32 < zyp> good, now get me another trace :p
2018-12-26T01:47:56 < zyp> kakimir, although you get gigabit just as cheap :p
2018-12-26T01:48:18 < kakimir> planning to get single fiber single mode converters now
2018-12-26T01:48:40 < kakimir> so I get 2 1gbps lines in best case
2018-12-26T01:49:06 < Steffanx> https://pastebin.com/dYwZddpH must be it zyp
2018-12-26T01:49:11 < Steffanx> thats incl sleep
2018-12-26T01:49:13 < zyp> do you really need to fuck around with media converters at all? just use switches with SFP ports instead
2018-12-26T01:49:46 < zyp> Steffanx, okay, that looks less confusing
2018-12-26T01:50:19 < Steffanx> haha, im glad you can even spot that.
2018-12-26T01:50:50 < zyp> well, I was looking at the event sequence
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2018-12-26T01:53:02 < zyp> hmm, that is pretty weird
2018-12-26T01:53:15 < specing> marble_visions: have you done interrupts on the f030? If so, how?
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2018-12-26T01:55:01 < zyp> Steffanx, line 8 has type=6 event, line 9 shows type=4 event is pending, line 10 handles type=4 event, that's the normal sequence
2018-12-26T01:55:45 < zyp> line 18 shows type=6 event coming again, but according to line 19 there's nothing pending in the fifo
2018-12-26T01:56:40 < zyp> in other words, there's an event from the hardware that doesn't come
2018-12-26T02:02:23 < Steffanx> hm
2018-12-26T02:03:03 < zyp> oh
2018-12-26T02:03:15 < zyp> seems like the sequence might have been changed
2018-12-26T02:03:21 < zyp> or, uh
2018-12-26T02:03:30 < zyp> it worked in the beginning, so idk
2018-12-26T02:05:04 < zyp> http://www.chibios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3439 <- seems like this might be related
2018-12-26T02:05:42 < zyp> try moving both lines from type=4 handler to the end of the type=6 handler, leaving type=4 handler empty
2018-12-26T02:06:02 < specing> marble_visions: ah, found gem#13 right now
2018-12-26T02:07:17 < Steffanx> hah, your google-fu is better than mine on this one. I guess it helps when you know what to look for.
2018-12-26T02:07:42 < zyp> triggering CNAK from type=6 handler is known to cause issues on other parts though
2018-12-26T02:08:00 < zyp> (I submitted a patch to fix that to libopencm3 before)
2018-12-26T02:08:26 < zyp> karlp, could this be why libopencm3 doesn't work correctly for f7?
2018-12-26T02:08:37 < Steffanx> it does work though :P
2018-12-26T02:08:53 < zyp> newest?
2018-12-26T02:09:00 < Steffanx> i mean, the fix.
2018-12-26T02:09:15 < Steffanx> "work" as in at least it enumerates now
2018-12-26T02:09:22 < zyp> interesting
2018-12-26T02:09:30 < zyp> and annoying
2018-12-26T02:10:11 < zyp> if old core version only works doing it one way and the new core version only works doing it the other way, this sounds like a maintenance hassle
2018-12-26T02:10:45 < zyp> got a trace of enumeration now?
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2018-12-26T02:13:38 < Steffanx> https://pastebin.com/30u7kQp8
2018-12-26T02:17:00 < zyp> funky
2018-12-26T02:17:23 < zyp> after the reset, there's no type=4 event at all, just 6, 2 and 3
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2018-12-26T02:27:42 < zyp> karlp, s/f7/efm32/, adding a comment to the relevant github issue now
2018-12-26T02:28:29 < Steffanx> hm, if only one knew why it doesnt happen. Anyway, i guess ill stick with this for now :P
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2018-12-26T02:29:04 < Steffanx> My HID sim thingy does what it should do, for now.
2018-12-26T02:29:10 < zyp> Steffanx, let me know if you have any other problems
2018-12-26T02:29:47 < Steffanx> yeah sure, thanks!
2018-12-26T02:29:48 < zyp> the old problem related to handling events in the type=6 handler was that data went missing from the fifo
2018-12-26T02:30:00 < zyp> so I'm curious if that problem disappeared now :p
2018-12-26T02:30:30 < zyp> you'd only see it on control out transfers though, and pretty much anything during enumeration is control in
2018-12-26T02:31:36 < Steffanx> ill see that soon enough than. Going to play with some HID Physical interface device-device.
2018-12-26T02:31:51 < Steffanx> on control
2018-12-26T02:31:57 < Steffanx> oh control*
2018-12-26T02:33:27 < Steffanx> i misread that somehow
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2018-12-26T02:37:24 < zyp> well, HID output and feature reports are sent over control requests
2018-12-26T02:37:30 < zyp> so yeah
2018-12-26T02:40:40 < Steffanx> anyway, thanks again. Time to go for a nap
2018-12-26T02:48:43 < Steffanx> Not those jews again .
2018-12-26T02:49:29 < specing> I am rooting for bacteria. Bacteria will prevail.
2018-12-26T02:54:19 < specing> (esp. the antibiotic resistant kind)
2018-12-26T02:55:06 < Steffanx> Does cracki have a cat?
2018-12-26T03:04:04 < Laurenceb_12> antibiotic not antisemitic
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2018-12-26T04:30:11 < karlp> what have you tried?
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2018-12-26T05:37:55 < rajkosto> visual studio pyhon is fantastic.
2018-12-26T05:38:23 < rajkosto> i use python to script c++ environments and it even supprots debugging the native app and automatically going into python and out of it back to native
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2018-12-26T07:13:25 < dongs> too bad python is for faggots
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2018-12-26T07:13:53 < jadew> what did santa bring you dongs?
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2018-12-26T08:14:02 < dongs> yep
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2018-12-26T08:50:56 < dongs> plz poke my dong
2018-12-26T09:25:11 < antto> is that sorta like "pull my finger" ?
2018-12-26T09:36:02 < antto> i'm not even sure what a dong is
2018-12-26T09:36:09 < antto> is it like a ding-dong?
2018-12-26T09:40:55 < antto> is it a free sample?
2018-12-26T09:41:14 < antto> can i test it with a hammer?
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2018-12-26T10:10:29 < jadew> anyone got an account on partcommunity?
2018-12-26T10:11:10 < jadew> stupid manufacturers think it's ok to host your models on a 3rd party site that requires more data than it should, in order to let you download a file
2018-12-26T10:11:19 < jadew> and when you decide to register, it won't allow you
2018-12-26T10:11:23 < jadew> because unknown error
2018-12-26T10:16:33 < jadew> holly fuck...
2018-12-26T10:16:47 < jadew> outlook.com asks me for my credit card to validate that I'm a fucking adult
2018-12-26T10:16:56 < jadew> when creating a damn e-mail address
2018-12-26T10:21:36 < dongs> haha outlook.com
2018-12-26T10:21:42 < dongs> who teh fuck uses that shit besides niggers
2018-12-26T10:22:01 < jadew> I need a throw away e-mail, but they seem to block a lot of stuff
2018-12-26T10:23:13 < jadew> An unknown error occurred
2018-12-26T10:23:22 < jadew> ffs
2018-12-26T10:23:28 < jadew> what a retarded service
2018-12-26T10:23:30 < dongs> mailinator?
2018-12-26T10:23:40 < dongs> also have tyou tried looking at same part on digikey
2018-12-26T10:23:44 < dongs> they usually directly link to 3d models
2018-12-26T10:23:56 < jadew> didn't try digikey, just mouser and farnell
2018-12-26T10:24:02 < jadew> they both link to this garbage service
2018-12-26T10:24:46 < jadew> also tried with one of my emails on a custom domain, that didn't work either, I thought maybe they're looking for something in particular, but I'm starting to think it's just broken
2018-12-26T10:25:17 < jadew> yep, same story on digikey
2018-12-26T10:25:21 < jadew> they link to this garbage
2018-12-26T10:25:22 < dongs> link to part
2018-12-26T10:25:25 < dongs> what is this cuck shit'
2018-12-26T10:25:28 < jadew> https://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=PN22LENA03QE\
2018-12-26T10:25:32 < jadew> https://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=PN22LENA03QE
2018-12-26T10:26:27 < dongs> it doesn't like timecop+spam@gmail 
2018-12-26T10:26:29 < dongs> thinks its invalid
2018-12-26T10:26:32 < dongs> well, im not gonna sign up there
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2018-12-26T10:26:43 < dongs> thats perfectly valid address.
2018-12-26T10:26:54 < jadew> I know, I tried several so far
2018-12-26T10:27:08 < jadew> (several non throw-away, on custom domains)
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2018-12-26T10:32:08 < jadew> you think you're better than us?
2018-12-26T10:33:12 < jadew> tbh, at this point I'm wondering what they're criteria is
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2018-12-26T10:43:00 < jadew> I wrote to mouser
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2018-12-26T10:50:05 < jadew> did they answer?
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2018-12-26T11:04:43 < rajkosto> i still havent un-retarded my stm32 timers because i dont know how to supply ETR inputs from the cpu instead of a pin
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2018-12-26T11:26:44 < dongs> not sure what you re comaplining about, do you know what 'E" in ETR stands for?
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2018-12-26T11:27:51 < Steffanx> !wz melbourne
2018-12-26T11:27:53 < englishbot> [Melbourne, Australia] Clear. Temp is 23.2°C.
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2018-12-26T12:12:08 < catphish> wow this is some impressive china pricing https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Smart-Watch-Tracker-Phone-Camera-Bluetooth-Apple-Android-Compatible/382621770600
2018-12-26T12:12:58 < catphish> in fact it's far from unique https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DZ09-Smart-Watch-Phone-Camera-Bluetooth-Apple-Android-Compatible-Christmas/153088849225
2018-12-26T12:13:01 < catphish> that's mad
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2018-12-26T12:38:52 < Thorn> >382 sold in last hour
2018-12-26T12:39:10 < Thorn> how many will they actually ship lol
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2018-12-26T12:52:10 < Steffanx> Whats the screen resolution? Probably between low and fucking low awful.
2018-12-26T12:52:20 < Steffanx> Want real pics
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2018-12-26T13:00:23 < Steffanx> Thats why i like aliexpress. It has reviews often with pics
2018-12-26T13:12:08 < dongs> lol tyeah those chink watches are fuckign awful
2018-12-26T13:12:17 < dongs> theyt run some MTK failware with like 32mnegs ram
2018-12-26T13:12:55 < PaulFertser> As if 32M of RAM is too low for watches :)
2018-12-26T13:14:51 < PaulFertser> It would probably be nice to have some properly hackable "smart bracelett".
2018-12-26T13:20:48 < emeryth> PaulFertser: there's a very nice very hackable chinese smartwatch based on NRF52 https://hackaday.io/project/85463-color-open-source-smartwatch
2018-12-26T13:24:19 < Steffanx> Heh the thumbnail of that coloue test screen looks nice
2018-12-26T13:25:34 < PaulFertser> emeryth: nice indeed!
2018-12-26T13:26:36 < Steffanx> But the screen is... Terrible
2018-12-26T13:27:50 < emeryth> it's a super low power color memory LCD, for me that's a plus
2018-12-26T13:27:54 < Thorn> y no sma in stock @ lcsc
2018-12-26T13:28:25 < emeryth> think of it as a monochrome LCD with 6 bonus colors
2018-12-26T13:31:04 < dongs> Thorn: kikemir bought it all up
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2018-12-26T13:31:36 < Steffanx> Where is kakimir?
2018-12-26T13:32:05 < Steffanx> Can someone cheer crt up a bit? Ty!
2018-12-26T13:36:48 < antto> https://i.imgur.com/CEVJMsp.png
2018-12-26T13:36:55  * antto opens up his umbrella
2018-12-26T13:38:31 < Steffanx> Its sad you gone to hide the made in kicad text mr savov
2018-12-26T13:39:36 < antto> <idontbelieveyou.gif>
2018-12-26T13:39:38 < Steffanx> Is this a kicad 3d view antto?
2018-12-26T13:39:57 < antto> yez.. it's actually from teh raytracer
2018-12-26T13:40:58 < Steffanx> And y u no smd more?
2018-12-26T13:41:10 < Steffanx> The inductor feels lonely
2018-12-26T13:41:34 < antto> there are 7 1206 ceramic caps on the back side
2018-12-26T13:41:45 < antto> i promise!
2018-12-26T13:42:27 < antto> i hope this thing doesn't blow up :/
2018-12-26T13:44:23 < Steffanx> I like the oldskool vertical resisors :P
2018-12-26T13:44:27 < Steffanx> Resistors
2018-12-26T13:44:41 < Steffanx> And diodes
2018-12-26T13:46:10 < antto> okay, i didn't eggspect so much positive comments from here
2018-12-26T13:46:26 < antto> something must be wrong, or it's cuz it's xmas?
2018-12-26T13:52:43 < Steffanx> Hi antto how is your day?
2018-12-26T13:53:18 < antto> you asked me earlier, and for me, it is still the same day
2018-12-26T13:53:22 < Steffanx> Im still not sure if your negativity is an act or if you are depressed as hell.
2018-12-26T13:54:02 < antto> hm.. i thought i'm just a honest realist
2018-12-26T13:56:16 < Steffanx> With a negative mindset?
2018-12-26T13:56:37 < Steffanx> Its ok. Its ##stm1408
2018-12-26T13:57:34 < antto> 1408?!
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2018-12-26T13:58:42 < Steffanx> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0450385/ - genuine terror
2018-12-26T13:58:59 < antto> well, blame yourself! you know my days ain't "woohoo", yet that's all you ask me about
2018-12-26T13:59:10 < antto> ask me wut comedy i watched last night?
2018-12-26T13:59:43 < antto> (no, it wozn't home alone 3)
2018-12-26T13:59:49 < Steffanx> Home alone is goos
2018-12-26T13:59:52 < Steffanx> D
2018-12-26T14:00:12 < antto> but they play this on TV eeeevery xmas
2018-12-26T14:00:28 < Steffanx> As long as Culkin is in it. 
2018-12-26T14:00:38 < antto> well, he ain't in 3
2018-12-26T14:02:42 < Steffanx> Yeah i dont like it then
2018-12-26T14:03:07 < Steffanx> What did you watch last night antto? :)
2018-12-26T14:03:36 < antto> i watched some movie with collin ferrel and this guy from Ted, "spare father" but maybe the translation is broken
2018-12-26T14:03:47 < antto> and two episodes of allo-allo
2018-12-26T14:06:23 < Steffanx> I dont know that movie.
2018-12-26T14:06:29 < Steffanx> Nor allo-allo
2018-12-26T14:06:35 < antto> u wot
2018-12-26T14:06:47 < antto> allo-allo is f*cking epic
2018-12-26T14:07:19 < antto> so much lolz and kekz
2018-12-26T14:09:13 < Steffanx> 1982-1992 is kinda before my time.
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2018-12-26T14:10:21 < antto> they ran this series here on local TV somewhere about 2000-ish, and it woz watched a lot
2018-12-26T14:10:53 < antto> also married with children
2018-12-26T14:13:08 < zyp> allo-allo ran on norwegian tv as well when I was a kid
2018-12-26T14:15:03 < zyp> apparently in that timeslot where I used to visit grandparents, because I remember it was often on tv there
2018-12-26T14:15:42 < Steffanx> I cant comment because then ill be too negative :P
2018-12-26T14:15:49 < Steffanx> I dont like such comedy
2018-12-26T14:16:41 < antto> wtf, don't u have a heart?
2018-12-26T14:16:56 < antto> is it made of stone?
2018-12-26T14:17:08 < zyp> not sure I'd say it's that funny, haven't watched it for years :p
2018-12-26T14:17:38 < antto> it's more entertaining than "friends"
2018-12-26T14:22:23 < Steffanx> Not unlikely
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2018-12-26T14:36:12 < Steffanx> What brewing?
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2018-12-26T15:30:57 < Thorn> mac with 10.14 refuses to detect my ftdi device unless I plug it into my keyboard
2018-12-26T15:51:57 < Thorn> Magnu$ just blundered a piece https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythhm02iFKc
2018-12-26T15:52:48 < Thorn> Engrish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM-aaCDcq54
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2018-12-26T16:54:10 < invzim> i2c is giving me a headache
2018-12-26T16:55:29 < invzim> but yay for me, I made test-points for it \o/
2018-12-26T16:57:21  * antto hates i2c
2018-12-26T16:57:28 < antto> spi ftw
2018-12-26T16:58:31 < invzim> if i2c 'just worked' I wouldn't mind, but everyone seems to have their own variation on start/stop/repeated start bits etc
2018-12-26T17:16:01 < dongs> oh wow. fucking rage story incoming bros
2018-12-26T17:16:06 < dongs> about opensores no less
2018-12-26T17:17:44 < dongs> so i was given a several shitty i3 pcs to combine into one/setup/clean them up etc. i did that at home and bring them back to the place and doing final touches. win10pro of course, and apparently there was no lan cable nearby, but came wiht some retarded buffalo USB wifi dongle that of course didn't have a driver on windows update OR on buffalo site, short of downloading 200megs of some "airstation cd" 
2018-12-26T17:17:49 < dongs> thing. there was also an ancient buffalo WHR-300 someshit router laying around there and i was told i could waste it.
2018-12-26T17:17:58 < dongs> so i go download fucking dd-wrt, hoping to use client mode in it sto bridge wifi to lan so i can download the fucking airstation shit
2018-12-26T17:18:37 < dongs> first fail: latest build of  dd-wrt is too big for flash on that device. gfoogle and go back to like 2010 builds to get something that flashes. success.
2018-12-26T17:18:38 < specing> this is relevant to stm32 how?
2018-12-26T17:18:44 < dongs> yeah fuck off im getting ther
2018-12-26T17:19:01 < dongs> first login poage, it tells me my shit is insecure i should change the default passsword/login
2018-12-26T17:19:06 < dongs> i change to root/blank (as in, no password)
2018-12-26T17:19:21 < dongs> next box pops up: plz relogin. i can no longer connect as root/blank because... opensores
2018-12-26T17:20:03 < dongs> google to find out that default pass was dd-wrt and it siletly didn't bother telling me that 'blank' is not allowed and didn't change the password. ok, whatever. try to change to client mode which should be literally one click like it is in mikrotik and similar devices.
2018-12-26T17:20:21 < dongs> connected to AP, nothing passes thorugh. google again. apparently "client" mode does some NAT + DHCP + fuck knows what because opensores
2018-12-26T17:20:37 < aandrew> i2c gives everyone headaches
2018-12-26T17:20:41 < dongs> trying to switch to client bridge. finally something works. geting something like 20mbit both ways agtain because opensores
2018-12-26T17:21:05 < aandrew> > win10pro of course
2018-12-26T17:21:07 < aandrew> found the problem
2018-12-26T17:21:09 < dongs> download usb wifi dongle drivers as part of 200megs "cd" for a 200k driver because fuck buffalo
2018-12-26T17:21:24 < dongs> finally, the shit is installed and im getting like 80/80 mbit bypassing the bvufalo shit.
2018-12-26T17:21:42 < dongs> unplug it, get a hammer and smash that shit to bits because fuck opensores
2018-12-26T17:21:45 < dongs> end rant
2018-12-26T17:22:52 < aandrew> heh yes that shit sucks balls
2018-12-26T17:23:03 < aandrew> wireless on linux has always been a pain in the dick
2018-12-26T17:25:51 < specing> again: this is relevant to stm32 how?
2018-12-26T17:26:10 < Steffanx> You should post dongs ircnanny talk
2018-12-26T17:26:18 < Steffanx> stumble upon, message ohsix  etc.
2018-12-26T17:26:33 < dongs> specing, I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on.
2018-12-26T17:26:57 < Steffanx> That one is boring.
2018-12-26T17:28:34 < dongs> yeah, so is specing
2018-12-26T17:28:37 < dongs> ^_^
2018-12-26T17:33:13 < bitmask> how was everyones christmas
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2018-12-26T17:35:22 < Steffanx> First issue was: You started with shit and then got shit. 
2018-12-26T17:36:20 < dongs> oh yeah absolutely
2018-12-26T17:39:17 < specing> you are producing a toxic atmosphere to the point where with 130 clients connected, there is barely any talk about stm32 any more
2018-12-26T17:39:23 < Steffanx> im suprirsed you even do that. boring IT reinstallation work.
2018-12-26T17:39:38 < Steffanx> Yes absolutely true specing.
2018-12-26T17:42:05 < dongs> toxic, haha. specing please start talking about stm32 then
2018-12-26T17:43:12 < specing> wait, aren't you supposed to be ignoring me, permanently?
2018-12-26T17:43:28 < Steffanx> talking about toxic :P
2018-12-26T17:43:57 < invzim> allreet, testpoints and logic up before even writing a single piece of code trying to interface this piece
2018-12-26T17:44:44 < invzim> datasheet has i2c errata and workaround stuff (POR into unknown state + electrical issues), so will likely need it
2018-12-26T17:44:52 < specing> I did talk yesterday, about implementing USB without using a preexisting library
2018-12-26T17:44:56 < englishman> found this in Thorn area https://i.imgur.com/szFISGc.jpg
2018-12-26T17:45:29 < dongs> specing: that was a great discussion, how's your own USB lib going?
2018-12-26T17:45:47 < dongs> the core is dwc_otg, you can find plenty of C reference code either in ST libs or even in lunix kernel
2018-12-26T17:47:38 < specing> I was just testing the waters, there is no USB lib, yet
2018-12-26T18:04:03 < zyp> dongs, I think he were talking about f072, that one doesn't have dwc_otg
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2018-12-26T18:09:44 < specing> I was.
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2018-12-26T18:52:56 < antto> upgrd, dngrd.. how is it called when you do neither of the two?
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2018-12-26T19:05:04 < upgrdman> antto, statusquogrdman?
2018-12-26T19:05:27 < antto> that's kinda long
2018-12-26T19:14:02 < BrainDamage> constgrdman
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2018-12-26T19:14:11 < Laurenceb_12> 56% Kang soon
2018-12-26T19:14:14 < Laurenceb_12> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-46686049
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2018-12-26T19:14:31 < Laurenceb_12> Britbongs btfo
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2018-12-26T19:17:25 < Laurenceb_12> Loading... 56%
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2018-12-26T19:37:08 < Steffanx>  The of writing hid descriptors <3
2018-12-26T19:37:11 < Steffanx> *joy
2018-12-26T19:37:40 < zyp> always fun
2018-12-26T19:40:35 < Steffanx> Yeah, specially when its like 400 lines.
2018-12-26T19:42:12 < specing> Steffanx: Huh? 400 lines sounds a bit excessive, no? 
2018-12-26T19:44:03 < Steffanx> Nah no. Physical interface devices have a report for each effect.
2018-12-26T19:44:55 < Steffanx> nah thats not entirely true but :P
2018-12-26T19:45:10 < Steffanx> it has quite a few reports to manage the effects
2018-12-26T19:48:33 < Steffanx> and its only this much when you want to support kinda all of it
2018-12-26T19:48:37 < Steffanx> which i dont :P
2018-12-26T19:54:08 < antto> <boss> u have to
2018-12-26T19:54:24 < Steffanx> im glad im on holiday.
2018-12-26T19:54:42 < antto> <boss> it ends this instant, didn't you get the memo?
2018-12-26T19:55:53 < Steffanx> Hi antto
2018-12-26T19:56:25  * antto hides under teh bedsheetz
2018-12-26T19:58:49 < Steffanx> sleep well
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2018-12-26T21:13:33 < rajkosto> yoo i need to drive a gate of a dual n-channel mosfet from stm32
2018-12-26T21:13:50 < rajkosto> but neither of its terminals are connected to gnd so it cant be gnd referenced
2018-12-26T21:13:53 < rajkosto> how do i shift the signal up
2018-12-26T21:15:15 < BrainDamage> gate drivers can handle floating sources
2018-12-26T21:18:22 < rajkosto> all i have is jellybean parts
2018-12-26T21:18:28 < rajkosto> and the dual n-channel power mosfet
2018-12-26T21:20:51 < qyx> what freq?
2018-12-26T21:21:59 < rajkosto> 100KHz
2018-12-26T21:22:41 < qyx> uhm, ac couple the gates
2018-12-26T21:22:56 < qyx> a single cap will do
2018-12-26T21:22:58 < rajkosto> what about 60hz
2018-12-26T21:23:18 < qyx> with a resistor to discharge the gate if no driving signal is applied
2018-12-26T21:23:33 < qyx> but consider your duty cycle
2018-12-26T21:23:45 < rajkosto> is anywhere from 10% to 100% so ac coupling wont work
2018-12-26T21:24:05 < qyx> you can add a Zd-D parallel to the resistor
2018-12-26T21:24:31 < rajkosto> isnt there a simple circuit for shifting the ground of a signal up
2018-12-26T21:24:40 < qyx> idk
2018-12-26T21:24:47 < qyx> anyway, afk
2018-12-26T21:25:43 < rajkosto> actually adding another switch between high and low would work if i could somehow isolate it
2018-12-26T21:25:52 < rajkosto> connect gate to either D or S
2018-12-26T21:33:19 < BrainDamage> https://i.stack.imgur.com/qT9IJ.png copy the circuit from C2 onwards
2018-12-26T21:34:08 < BrainDamage> and use schottcky diodes if you have them
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2018-12-26T21:36:14 < rajkosto> the diode block actually works ?
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2018-12-26T21:37:15 < rajkosto> wouldnt that make it open collector or whatever 
2018-12-26T22:51:15 < englishman> will my 12v->200v boost circuit work
2018-12-26T22:51:43 < englishman> 2A thru fet and source resistor to boost, would like 40mA output
2018-12-26T22:52:55 < Laurenceb_12> sounds liek what I want for my "crop"lamps
2018-12-26T22:53:24 < Laurenceb_12> https://postimg.cc/phTv7ZPc tfw
2018-12-26T22:54:42 < englishman> don't post that domain again
2018-12-26T22:55:13 < marble_visions> specing: i'll answer you in #ada since i think this is more ada-related than stm32 related.
2018-12-26T22:55:17 < Laurenceb_12> le reddit imgur
2018-12-26T22:55:20 < marble_visions> happy holidays everyone.
2018-12-26T22:55:35 < specing> marble_visions: thanks :)
2018-12-26T22:55:36 < Laurenceb_12> have a nice day murican
2018-12-26T22:56:03 < Laurenceb_12> would you like fries with ur holidays?
2018-12-26T22:56:27 < marble_visions> Laurenceb_12: i'm not american
2018-12-26T22:56:38 < Laurenceb_12> you talk like one
2018-12-26T22:56:49 < Laurenceb_12> I would know
2018-12-26T22:57:24 < marble_visions> Cracki: not german-speaking as well
2018-12-26T22:57:29 < englishman> stop laurent
2018-12-26T22:57:32 < englishman> just stop
2018-12-26T22:57:43 < englishman> you're not funny
2018-12-26T22:58:01 < Laurenceb_12> ^triggered
2018-12-26T22:58:17 < mawk> you'll get banned Laurenceb_12 
2018-12-26T22:58:24 < mawk> you need to be smart
2018-12-26T22:58:47 < Laurenceb_12> ur saying I just need to trigger the muricans more slowly?
2018-12-26T22:58:50 < mawk> yes
2018-12-26T22:59:03 < Laurenceb_12> maybe tell them to turn on the TV and watch their "president"
2018-12-26T22:59:21 < marble_visions> Laurenceb_12: where are you from?
2018-12-26T22:59:23 < mawk> you wait a few hours for the anger to pass, you lighten their mood with things they like you doing, and you can start over your memes
2018-12-26T22:59:26 < mawk> it's all about tact
2018-12-26T22:59:51 < Laurenceb_12> marble_visions: britbongland/alabama
2018-12-26T23:01:53 < Laurenceb_12> jk actually Fl panhandle, but same shit
2018-12-26T23:02:14 < Laurenceb_12> see the top gear episode involving Hilldawg based irl trolling
2018-12-26T23:04:33 < marble_visions> right
2018-12-26T23:08:01 < Laurenceb_12> trolling muricans: fun until you get shot
2018-12-26T23:09:01 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ
2018-12-26T23:09:10 -!- mode/##stm32 [+bbbb *!*@host86-130-23-101.range86-130.btcentralplus.com still!*@* not!*@* funny!*@*] by englishman
2018-12-26T23:09:14 <@englishman> lol oops
2018-12-26T23:09:21 -!- Laurenceb_12 was kicked from ##stm32 by englishman [still not funny]
2018-12-26T23:10:08 -!- mode/##stm32 [-bbb funny!*@* not!*@* still!*@*] by englishman
2018-12-26T23:11:39 <@englishman> which CCC talks should be watched
2018-12-26T23:16:26 < zyp> probably the ones people are talking about all over IRC in the days after
2018-12-26T23:16:41 < zyp> that's how I choose
2018-12-26T23:17:05 < Steffanx> Better go next year englishman
2018-12-26T23:17:36 <@englishman> isn't camp next year
2018-12-26T23:18:09 < Steffanx> ##stmeeting is next year
2018-12-26T23:18:20 < zyp> I've been meaning to go to CCC some year, but I never find time
2018-12-26T23:20:18 <@englishman> A deep dive into the world of DOS viruses
2018-12-26T23:21:18 <@englishman> Hunting the Sigfox: Wireless IoT Network Security
2018-12-26T23:21:43 <@englishman> The Mars Rover On-board Computer
2018-12-26T23:21:48 <@englishman> lots of good stuff
2018-12-26T23:22:07 < marble_visions> the mars rover sounds nice
2018-12-26T23:22:34 < karlp> englishman: I skim the titles and intros of all of them, decide myself?
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2018-12-26T23:23:16 <@englishman> I didn't ask how, I asked which!
2018-12-26T23:23:50 < karlp> englishman: I was saying, I can't decide for you :)
2018-12-26T23:23:58 <@englishman> ##stm32eeting
2018-12-26T23:25:27 <@englishman> "The" Social Credit System:
2018-12-26T23:25:27 <@englishman> Why It's Both Better and Worse Than We can Imagine
2018-12-26T23:25:59 <@englishman> Space Ops 101
2018-12-26T23:25:59 <@englishman> An introduction to Spacecraft Operations
2018-12-26T23:26:01 <@englishman> cool
2018-12-26T23:28:26 < catphish> this is relevant to stm32 how?
2018-12-26T23:28:37 < Steffanx> its CCC, its relevant
2018-12-26T23:28:46 < catphish> :P
2018-12-26T23:28:56 < Steffanx> talk to spec-ing catphish. Go go go.
2018-12-26T23:29:19 < zyp> Cracki, what if I'm a tech interested radical leftist?
2018-12-26T23:29:53 <@englishman> catphish, would you like to fill this chat void with legitimate and interesting stm32 content
2018-12-26T23:30:04 < catphish> yes i would
2018-12-26T23:30:06 < Steffanx> Cracki you seem to take it to ##stm32 as well.
2018-12-26T23:30:15 <@englishman> ok, fill
2018-12-26T23:30:56 < catphish> Cracki: conservative party conference
2018-12-26T23:31:05 < Steffanx> Pegida meeting?
2018-12-26T23:32:08 < catphish> Cracki: NAMBLA meetings
2018-12-26T23:32:52 < Steffanx> catphish, where is the stm32 in this?
2018-12-26T23:32:59 < Steffanx> Even crt is more ontopic.
2018-12-26T23:33:17 < zyp> anybody here done anything ZLL before?
2018-12-26T23:33:42 < catphish> Steffanx: how should i know?
2018-12-26T23:33:43 < Steffanx> pass
2018-12-26T23:34:00 < zyp> (zigbee light link)
2018-12-26T23:34:26 < Steffanx> I only press the button on my tradfri remote..
2018-12-26T23:34:32 < Steffanx> that's my experience with ZLL 
2018-12-26T23:34:40 < zyp> :)
2018-12-26T23:35:01 < zyp> I wonder if ZLL supports signalling scene triggers
2018-12-26T23:35:16 < catphish> i'm currently busy ranting about this ridiculous piece of hardware: https://imgur.com/a/EbkWE2X
2018-12-26T23:35:41 < zyp> it seems like all ZLL remotes with scene buttons just stores scene configs locally on each remote
2018-12-26T23:35:42 < catphish> specifically, horizontal filter configurable, vertical filter, not configurable
2018-12-26T23:35:58 < catphish> if you want vertical blurring, you're in luck, otherwise get bent
2018-12-26T23:36:22 < catphish> horizontally, you can have whatever you like :)
2018-12-26T23:36:33 < zyp> I wanna have something that can send raw scene triggers that can be picked up by a central/gateway thing that then acts on it
2018-12-26T23:36:45 < zyp> zwave does the latter
2018-12-26T23:37:19 < catphish> Cracki: not at all, look at the horizontal transitions, they're perfect
2018-12-26T23:37:26 < zyp> but I want to have something that can also control a group directly (on/off/dim)
2018-12-26T23:38:00 < catphish> Cracki: so, i'm scaling up a 480x270 framebuffer to 1920x1080
2018-12-26T23:38:10 < catphish> Cracki: this is done in the hardware of my SoC
2018-12-26T23:38:35 < catphish> it allows me to configure the filtering in the horizontal axis (hence why it looks sharp) but not in the vertical axis (where the only option is blurry)
2018-12-26T23:39:02 < zyp> essentially I want to have a controller that can both control a ZLL group directly so it's possible to turn on/off the light even if the central controller is down
2018-12-26T23:39:17 < catphish> i just set them to 0% 100% 0% 0%
2018-12-26T23:39:28 < zyp> and also send scene triggers that can trigger other stuff
2018-12-26T23:39:29 < catphish> so that only one coefficient is active, and the edges are sharp
2018-12-26T23:39:46 < catphish> the mode isn't configurable, it's always filtered :(
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2018-12-26T23:40:03 < catphish> but my changing the coefficients,  one can emulate NN
2018-12-26T23:40:12 < catphish> (as i've done in my example)
2018-12-26T23:40:17 < zyp> gira has a really nice looking ZLL remote, with two on/off buttons and six scene buttons, that'll fit nicely into standard switch frames
2018-12-26T23:40:30 < catphish> unfortunately my demo also has JPEG artifacts, can't do anything about those
2018-12-26T23:40:35 < zyp> but its scene stuff is just using locally stored scene configs, which is not what I want
2018-12-26T23:41:03 < zyp> so I'm tempted to make my own
2018-12-26T23:41:04 < catphish> but in the vertical, it looks like arse
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2018-12-26T23:42:13 < catphish> i can rotate, but only once
2018-12-26T23:42:20 < catphish> and scale, only once
2018-12-26T23:42:25 < catphish> H3
2018-12-26T23:42:27 < catphish> (same thing)
2018-12-26T23:49:19 < catphish> that's DE3
2018-12-26T23:49:22 < catphish> i'm using DE2
2018-12-26T23:49:55 < catphish> though it looks to be the same
2018-12-26T23:50:48 < catphish> the screen it divides into 16 equal sections, you can apply different coefficients to each area
2018-12-26T23:50:54 < catphish> helps keep things symmetrical
2018-12-26T23:51:19 < catphish> there's 4 coefficients per output pixel
2018-12-26T23:51:38 < catphish> 1 byes in that register for each
2018-12-26T23:52:20 < catphish> here we go: Support 16-phase 4-tap horizontal anti-alias filter, 16-phase linear filter in vertical.
2018-12-26T23:52:50 < catphish> seemingly so
2018-12-26T23:53:10 < catphish> because my data is RGB
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2018-12-26T23:53:43 < catphish> yeah i can probably convert to UAV then use the video pipeline
2018-12-26T23:53:49 < catphish> arfgh
2018-12-26T23:54:36 < catphish> the video scaler takes its data from the video layer
2018-12-26T23:56:16 < catphish> so, there's 4 "overlay" modules, 1 designed for video, and 3 designed for UI
2018-12-26T23:56:27 < catphish> each one feeds into a scaler
2018-12-26T23:56:44 < catphish> but... the video overlay module can be reconfigured as a UI overlay and accept RGB
2018-12-26T23:56:49 < catphish> so maybe... that will work
2018-12-26T23:57:52 < catphish> nope
2018-12-26T23:57:53 < zyp> what's the current status on stm32wb? still unobtanium?
2018-12-26T23:58:00 < Steffanx> Afaik yes
2018-12-26T23:58:44 < zyp> shame, looks nice
2018-12-26T23:58:53 < catphish> Cracki: 5.12.3 (video scaler) input is 5.10.7 (video overlay)
2018-12-26T23:59:04 < catphish> yes, h3 is what i have
2018-12-26T23:59:13 < karlp> take it back to linux-sunxi or somwhere?
2018-12-26T23:59:39 < catphish> karlp: not linux, sorry
2018-12-26T23:59:56 < catphish> maybe make a new channel, #sunxi-dickheads
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2018-12-27T00:00:42 < catphish> karlp: ironically the topic in #linux-sunxi sppears to be stm32
2018-12-27T00:02:44 < catphish> "Figure 2-2. RT-MIXER0 Block Diagram"
2018-12-27T00:03:17 < catphish> but yes, i can feed data into OVL_V then into VIDEO SCALER
2018-12-27T00:03:21 < catphish> i'll try it now
2018-12-27T00:03:34 < catphish> it's a fairly substantial re-engineering, but looks like it might work
2018-12-27T00:04:33 < catphish> indeed
2018-12-27T00:05:05 < catphish> it's more that i want it to be configurable so i can add my desired level of filtering later (and have it be the same in both axes)
2018-12-27T00:06:34 < catphish> yeah, the overlay has a selectable location
2018-12-27T00:06:49 < catphish> which is actually a little odd given that it's *before* the scaler in the pipeline
2018-12-27T00:07:06 < karlp> imagine linux-sunxi was called linux+sunxi? :)
2018-12-27T00:07:56 < catphish> it does
2018-12-27T00:08:32 < catphish> my output from overlay is low res, input to blending is high res, scaling happens in between
2018-12-27T00:08:39 < catphish> anyway, better go engineer this
2018-12-27T00:08:50 < catphish> i'll let you know if it works
2018-12-27T00:10:11  * catphish helps
2018-12-27T00:12:37  * Steffanx helps the helper
2018-12-27T00:13:12 < Steffanx> 🍪
2018-12-27T00:15:42 < karlp> no, somethign completely unrelated to stm32
2018-12-27T00:15:53 < Steffanx> Not completely.
2018-12-27T00:16:34 < Steffanx> Its just as relevant as the ccc talk was.
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2018-12-27T00:21:39 < kakimir> https://www.welectron.com/Probe-Master-8043SK-Softie-Test-Lead-Master-Kit-120cm markoreps uses this probekit
2018-12-27T00:21:57 < kakimir> even the structure of the probe is flexible
2018-12-27T00:30:10 < marble_visions> all, what do you use for debugging? i'm currently using jlinks and they are great, but am wondering if there is something better
2018-12-27T00:34:09 < zyp> marble_visions, what would you like to improve on?
2018-12-27T00:40:09 < marble_visions> zyp: i don't know what's improvable, that's why i'm asking if i'm missing out on something cool. Cracki: Ozone is great on windows, meh on linux, but i don't mind having it as a separate tool from the dev IDEs. i've heard about the tracing functionality, i'm keen on trying systemviewer for freertos, and also the jlink scripting.
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2018-12-27T00:43:29 < marble_visions> i need to step up my game with tracing then
2018-12-27T00:45:16 < marble_visions> same
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2018-12-27T00:47:30 < bitmask> https://www.facebook.com/rosalee.perry.5/posts/2499797240035363?__tn__=K-R
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2018-12-27T00:58:00 < marble_visions> Cracki: thanks!
2018-12-27T01:05:48 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MybsY3D4eYFLKmFcEVU8CR4AXbc0kjbF/view?usp=sharing timing chain is slipping a bit
2018-12-27T01:06:18 < kakimir> better turn it a few times to make sure it's a goner
2018-12-27T01:07:15 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hbHhC3iZbzQ7qpJ8fSbAFIx6vpUsco-R/view?usp=sharing sledguru tell me if this is okay for secondary axle that goes into trasmission
2018-12-27T01:07:26 < kakimir> no
2018-12-27T01:07:54 < kakimir> yes
2018-12-27T01:08:00 < kakimir> rs viking
2018-12-27T01:08:09 < kakimir> tank class snow mobile
2018-12-27T01:09:11 < kakimir> it was sweet to see that auxiliary chassis is so large that I can pull out engine without removing auxiliary chassis from middle hole
2018-12-27T01:09:35 < kakimir> it's not the case with sports sleds
2018-12-27T01:09:51 < kakimir> remove auxiliary chassis and everything connected including wire harness
2018-12-27T01:10:21 < kakimir> only wire I need to remove now is magneto case wires
2018-12-27T01:10:47 < kakimir> no auxiliary chassis is just a big square on top of the engine
2018-12-27T01:10:56 < kakimir> aluminum pipe
2018-12-27T01:11:02 < kakimir> it has exactly one hole
2018-12-27T01:14:08 < kakimir> Cracki: when I spin it in another direction I think it engages to starting motor I feel something spinning up
2018-12-27T01:14:26 < kakimir> I don't think it should but everything inside is fucked
2018-12-27T01:15:07 < kakimir> I'm about to retrive piston rings from this engine
2018-12-27T01:15:37 < kakimir> it feels like there is about 0 intact pistons though
2018-12-27T01:16:31 < kakimir> I don't see any other way for total loss of compression that every single piston is in pieces
2018-12-27T01:18:15 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ybnAhvxTaKPnbzzJx0cfNbrgXjO3m2rr to build it back I just reverse name order
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2018-12-27T01:26:21 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/15lHvWmrKu1yQeepThg_hJpx7d9QtC85G/view?usp=sharing auxiliary chassis or frame is that aluminum thing
2018-12-27T01:26:27 < kakimir> around the engine
2018-12-27T01:26:57 < kakimir> so in this one engine will pop out without removing it *praises*
2018-12-27T01:27:43 < kakimir> to put the size is perspective that is 1litre engine
2018-12-27T01:30:25 < kakimir> *in
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2018-12-27T01:31:47 < catphish> Cracki: switched to the "video" pipeline, works perfectly: https://i.imgur.com/eQz2OKz.png
2018-12-27T01:40:50 < Steffanx> cats?
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2018-12-27T01:53:03 < kakimir> you found the first video in the internets!
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2018-12-27T01:57:29 < kakimir> in 90s it was hypothetical idea to watch videos from webs
2018-12-27T01:58:19 < kakimir> real media player was to watch local content
2018-12-27T01:58:52 < kakimir> how dope it would have been if you had 100Megs in early 90s
2018-12-27T01:59:24 < kakimir> they got that thing set up in 90's
2018-12-27T01:59:29 < kakimir> and kept it up since
2018-12-27T02:00:48 < kakimir> time to hack huihaivei
2018-12-27T02:01:13 < kakimir> got back plastic lid now that has unique admin user passwd
2018-12-27T02:01:19 < kakimir> for the box
2018-12-27T02:01:25 < kakimir> username: admin
2018-12-27T02:01:29 < kakimir> passwd: admin
2018-12-27T02:05:38 < kakimir> but hey imagine that some people had 100megs in 90s for personal use
2018-12-27T02:06:42 < kakimir> I wonder if they did put their internet superpower in good use
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2018-12-27T02:47:34 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyMNIFZTQkg cgi short repost
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2018-12-27T02:52:17 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjJmTeBSEzU part 2
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2018-12-27T03:03:58 < karlp> I hosted music as real audio, worked for streaming, was rad at the time.
2018-12-27T03:04:12 < karlp> babby's first dmca takedown notice too.
2018-12-27T03:04:48 < kakimir> when did you start hosting streams?
2018-12-27T03:06:34 < Steffanx> STM32? :P
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2018-12-27T06:50:30 < dongs> pretty sure that "benchmark" would require wiping the drive
2018-12-27T06:50:38 < dongs> fuck benchmarks anyway, i think i have 860 as boot ssd in gaming rig
2018-12-27T06:50:44 < dongs> and I NEVER noticed any performance issues with it
2018-12-27T06:50:44 < dongs> lol
2018-12-27T06:50:57 < dongs> not even M2 version, sata
2018-12-27T06:53:34 < dongs> they stopped making 256gb ssds so I stopped buying new one for each major windows update
2018-12-27T06:53:43 < dongs> i dont need a fucking 500gb drive for boot
2018-12-27T06:54:42 < dongs> thats not waht that graph says
2018-12-27T06:54:48 < dongs> it goes from 0 to 100%
2018-12-27T06:55:29 < dongs> also there's no indication of conditions for that thing
2018-12-27T06:55:52 < dongs> a blank drive full of FF's that doesn't need erase-before-write is going to be faster than something that already has data on it
2018-12-27T06:56:05 < dongs> and again, all this shit is theoretical garbage anyway
2018-12-27T06:56:16 < dongs> the drives are already faster than interface speed
2018-12-27T06:56:20 < dongs> (i.e. sata)
2018-12-27T06:56:53 < dongs> cracki: my real-world usage says, i never gave the slightest fuck whether tehre's a "faster flash" on these or not
2018-12-27T06:57:33 < dongs> how sustained do you plan to write on a boot drive
2018-12-27T06:57:40 < dongs> like, are you gonna be editing 100gb video sequences on it?
2018-12-27T06:57:43 < dongs> why?
2018-12-27T06:57:56 < dongs> from what source
2018-12-27T06:58:05 < dongs> that will be able to sustain such write / read speeds
2018-12-27T06:58:24 < dongs> this is not under lunix i hope?
2018-12-27T06:58:29 < dongs> (because lol @ lunix raid)
2018-12-27T06:59:16 < dongs> im using samsung T5 usb3 drive when muxing few gb of videos , even same drive to same drive i haven't noticed any isuses.
2018-12-27T06:59:24 < dongs> i think there's a 850 or 860 evo inside
2018-12-27T07:00:13 < dongs> dont bother with c ucial, unless your local warranty for it is better
2018-12-27T07:01:42 < dongs> Internally, the design takes advantage of the mSATA form factor. The drive appears to be an 850 EVO or OEM variant
2018-12-27T07:01:45 < dongs> yeah
2018-12-27T07:01:47 < dongs> 850 evo in T5.
2018-12-27T07:06:26 < dongs> stopped reading at QHD
2018-12-27T07:06:29 < dongs> thats how bad you fucked up
2018-12-27T07:07:15 < dongs> Cracki: in that case samdung
2018-12-27T07:09:45 < dongs> its too bad nobody fucking makes proper 4K 24"
2018-12-27T07:09:49 < dongs> the dells are garbage
2018-12-27T07:09:52 < dongs> someone needs to step up
2018-12-27T07:09:57 < dongs> 32" is too big
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2018-12-27T07:10:51 < dongs> i run them at 125% scaling
2018-12-27T07:10:53 < dongs> look fine
2018-12-27T07:11:01 < dongs> its sharp where it matters
2018-12-27T07:11:32 < dongs> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91BzCC%2B-YYL._SL1500_.jpg who the fuck would buy this
2018-12-27T07:11:40 < dongs> $300 jap DVD boxset
2018-12-27T07:12:14 < dongs> Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them
2018-12-27T07:12:17 < dongs> i think some hairy potter shit?
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2018-12-27T07:13:09 < dongs> heh
2018-12-27T07:13:18 < dongs> fallout76 buyers got shit, period
2018-12-27T07:13:29 < dongs> the game is shit and so is the "premium" set
2018-12-27T07:14:29 < dongs> yeah the crafting fagotry ruined it
2018-12-27T07:14:34 < dongs> if I wanted to play minecrap, i'd play minecrap
2018-12-27T07:14:36 < dongs> not fallout
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2018-12-27T07:20:20 < dongs> yeh but RDR doesnt exist on PC
2018-12-27T07:20:23 < dongs> so its irrelevant
2018-12-27T07:20:26 < dongs> lol console gaming
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2018-12-27T08:05:45 < Rajko> this chinese stm32 has died
2018-12-27T08:05:49 < Rajko> 3.2ohms across 3.3v
2018-12-27T08:05:50 < Rajko> how
2018-12-27T08:09:07 < Rajko> nothing
2018-12-27T08:09:20 < Rajko> i sent pics
2018-12-27T08:09:28 < Rajko> the font/label on it looked weird
2018-12-27T08:09:31 < Rajko> and it was on a 1.5$ board
2018-12-27T08:09:46 < Rajko> it worked correctly tho
2018-12-27T08:10:05 < Rajko> 13ns EXTI pulse worked and all
2018-12-27T08:10:17 < Rajko> yeah i had it disconnected
2018-12-27T08:10:26 < Rajko> plugged it in today
2018-12-27T08:10:33 < Rajko> it just drew 800mA off usb
2018-12-27T08:10:39 < Rajko> 3.3v regulator went nuts hot
2018-12-27T08:10:56 < Rajko> its actually that resistant
2018-12-27T08:11:06 < Rajko> its a short in the chip somewhere
2018-12-27T08:11:13 < Rajko> removing the chip 0ma load
2018-12-27T08:11:56 < Rajko> are they refuse chips that just fail ?
2018-12-27T08:12:05 < Rajko> i dont think i shorted anything on it and if i did... theres nothing higher than 5v there
2018-12-27T08:12:48 < Rajko> the regulator is fine btw, its more powerful than the other 3.3v regulators i have in same package
2018-12-27T08:13:02 < Rajko> the others just shut down
2018-12-27T08:13:44 < Rajko> 3,3v
2018-12-27T08:18:03 < Rajko> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-17_13-12-07_NNaEOMyoL.jpg
2018-12-27T08:18:57 < Rajko> well shit this is the pcb i modded
2018-12-27T08:19:12 < Rajko> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/mini-Stm32f103c8t6-system-board-stm32-learning-development-board/1568685935.html
2018-12-27T08:20:09 < Rajko> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-27_07-20-04_023w5guuf.png in their pics the text is aligned 
2018-12-27T08:20:15 < Rajko> not at the top
2018-12-27T08:22:32 < Rajko> thats why i asked if it was fake
2018-12-27T08:26:02 < Rajko> well i ordered 2 blackpills now
2018-12-27T08:26:05 < Rajko> see what happens
2018-12-27T08:26:52 < Rajko> black razor pill
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2018-12-27T08:30:34 <@englishman> wow lots of crackichats
2018-12-27T08:30:51 <@englishman> why not just /ignore and enjoy a cleaner faster ##stm32
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2018-12-27T08:33:45 <@englishman> stm32, crt
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2018-12-27T09:03:45 < englishbot> [Melbourne, Australia] Clear. Temp is 36.6°C. SSE wind: 1.4 kph.
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2018-12-27T11:23:10 < Thorn> can you use µSD XC in embedded devices? (1) will the sdio command layer work (2) what about the filesystem
2018-12-27T11:23:38 < dongs> why not? of course?
2018-12-27T11:23:45 < dongs> XC is an extra shit on top of compatible with SDIO
2018-12-27T11:25:47 < dongs> filesystem also who cares?
2018-12-27T11:25:50 < dongs> they'er block devices
2018-12-27T11:26:04 < dongs> unless you mean > 64gb shit
2018-12-27T11:26:13 < dongs> in whcih case chans fatfs shit does support exfat?
2018-12-27T11:26:14 < dongs> iirc
2018-12-27T11:27:55 < Thorn> > according to Microsoft "a license is required in order to implement exFAT and use it in a product or device."[
2018-12-27T11:29:19 < dongs> are y ou selling a product or something
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2018-12-27T13:58:50 < Steffanx> If you see crt
2018-12-27T13:58:51 < Steffanx> better flee.
2018-12-27T13:59:16 < Steffanx> lol
2018-12-27T14:00:06 < Steffanx> Always nice when a HID descriptor in an official document is invalid/does not work.
2018-12-27T14:00:19 < Steffanx> https://time.is/English_Landing_Elementary_School - 6
2018-12-27T14:00:35 < Steffanx> https://time.is/englishland actually.
2018-12-27T14:02:38 < Steffanx> i know mr aussieland
2018-12-27T14:03:46 < Steffanx> да
2018-12-27T14:11:39 < Steffanx> much
2018-12-27T14:12:07 < Steffanx> Trying to get my force feedback device getting recognized by wundows.
2018-12-27T14:12:23 < Steffanx> It understand the HID descriptor, but no force feedback stuff
2018-12-27T14:13:24 < Steffanx> *understands
2018-12-27T14:16:26 < Steffanx> perhaps
2018-12-27T14:16:28 < Steffanx> idk sir
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2018-12-27T14:21:31 < Steffanx> id call it z++
2018-12-27T14:22:39 < Steffanx> 19
2018-12-27T14:22:44 < Steffanx> altium
2018-12-27T14:25:41 < Steffanx> Did he say that?
2018-12-27T14:26:30 < Steffanx> Why doesnt he like em
2018-12-27T14:27:01 < Steffanx> hm
2018-12-27T14:28:16 < dongs> wtf is an eyecare monitor
2018-12-27T14:28:35 < dongs> oh blue light filter
2018-12-27T14:28:38 < dongs> > put wled backlight in
2018-12-27T14:28:38 < Steffanx> iCare.
2018-12-27T14:28:41 < dongs> > add blue light filter
2018-12-27T14:28:43 < dongs> how about
2018-12-27T14:28:51 < dongs> > use proper gb-r backlight instead
2018-12-27T14:28:55 < dongs> then you don't need fucking bluelight filter
2018-12-27T14:29:09 < Steffanx> You woke up senpai crt.
2018-12-27T14:30:01 < dongs> yeah
2018-12-27T14:30:10 < dongs> BSD'd
2018-12-27T14:30:26 < Steffanx> Where did you read that crt?
2018-12-27T14:30:31 < Steffanx> I still need confirmation.
2018-12-27T14:31:00 < Steffanx> oh could have been me
2018-12-27T14:32:00 < Steffanx> He did ping timeout and for readerror that is the same as dead.
2018-12-27T14:33:37 < Steffanx> We should do a online funeral
2018-12-27T14:33:40 < Steffanx> an
2018-12-27T14:33:52 < Steffanx> Ok, done.
2018-12-27T14:33:55 < Steffanx> lol
2018-12-27T14:34:42 < Steffanx> ⚰️
2018-12-27T14:35:16 < Steffanx> nah enough pumping for the day
2018-12-27T14:46:12 < superbia2> hello
2018-12-27T14:49:23 < Steffanx> Welcome
2018-12-27T15:02:58 < Steffanx> Hows the holiday superbia2
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2018-12-27T15:18:12 < superbia2> amazing-u
2018-12-27T15:18:24 < superbia2> Steffanx: marry xmas irc buddy
2018-12-27T15:27:38 < Steffanx> xmas is over sir, but same to you
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2018-12-27T16:00:57 < Thorn> do you like this pencil https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pentel-Orenz-Metal-Grip-Type-Mechanical-Pencils-0-5mm-Red-XPP1005G-B/253664494610?hash=item3b0f950412:g:r24AAOSwikdapSWh
2018-12-27T16:02:31 < karlp> looks nice, I had a pentel ~like that
2018-12-27T16:03:58 < Steffanx> https://www.ebay.com/itm/uni-Mechanical-Pencil-Kurutoga-Roulette-Model-Silver-0-5-mm-M510171P-26/253988621113 jappy pencils
2018-12-27T16:04:30 < Steffanx> The rotating tip is funny, but im not sure if it really works that well.
2018-12-27T16:05:06 < Thorn> dunno never tried them
2018-12-27T16:06:00 < superbia2> pentel japanese shit
2018-12-27T16:06:17 < Thorn> ty
2018-12-27T16:06:29 < superbia2> get alpha gel pencil
2018-12-27T16:06:43 < superbia2> uber thin one, or get if you have phat hands the alpha gel with auto rotating mechanism
2018-12-27T16:06:48 < superbia2> which is like 30 euros
2018-12-27T16:06:56 < Steffanx> gel, meh
2018-12-27T16:07:03 < superbia2> alpha gel
2018-12-27T16:07:10 < superbia2> it's for alpha europeans
2018-12-27T16:07:15 < Steffanx> Still gelly.
2018-12-27T16:07:17 < Steffanx> i dont want gelly
2018-12-27T16:07:40 < superbia2> it's not gelly
2018-12-27T16:08:02 < superbia2> it's like a silicon nato strap
2018-12-27T16:08:09 < superbia2> bbl
2018-12-27T16:08:10  * superbia2 is listening to Antonio Vivaldi - La Stravaganza-Concerto No. 2 in E minor I. Allegro ::: http://relay.publicdomainproject.org/classical.aac ::: 00:31/?:?? @ 62kbps
2018-12-27T16:08:11 < Steffanx> Yes, gelly. I dont want that :P
2018-12-27T16:08:24 < Steffanx> Cold metal <3
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2018-12-27T16:25:00 < Thorn> TIL: one of the most popular forums in Taiwan is a telnet BBS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PTT_Bulletin_Board_System
2018-12-27T16:27:15 < dongs> ptt is not telnet
2018-12-27T16:27:17 < dongs> its webshit
2018-12-27T16:27:27 < dongs> an awful one but still
2018-12-27T16:28:11 < dongs> https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/index.html
2018-12-27T16:29:09 < Thorn> $ telnet ptt.cc <--- connects, outputs some kind of graphics
2018-12-27T16:29:21 < dongs> yes sure, but i mean, i doubt anyone actually uses telnet version of it
2018-12-27T16:29:57 < dongs> https://iamchucky.github.io/PttChrome/ my chink pals use this
2018-12-27T16:55:15 <@englishman> ptt doesn't mean push-to-talk?
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2018-12-27T18:43:01 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThcumGDgttQ
2018-12-27T18:48:46 <@englishman> offtopic
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2018-12-27T18:59:29 < superbia2> ontofic
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2018-12-27T20:08:00 <@englishman> A problem for Tu-144 passengers was the very high level of noise inside the cabin, measured on average at least 90-95 dB.
2018-12-27T20:08:14 <@englishman> Passengers seated next to each other could have a conversation only with difficulty, and those seated two seats apart could not hear each other even when screaming and had to pass hand-written notes instead. Noise in the back of the aircraft was unbearable.
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2018-12-27T20:11:19 < Steffanx> Offtopic
2018-12-27T20:11:35 < specing> noisy little stm32 onboard tupolevs no doubt
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2018-12-27T21:51:14 < superbia2> https://imgur.com/gallery/O7nElCf
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2018-12-27T22:44:44 < invzim> https://eumemes1.funnyjunk.com/movies/Meanwhile+at+a+package+sending+company+in+china_fbb63d_6878072.mp4
2018-12-27T22:44:51 < invzim> I knew it! :)
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2018-12-27T22:52:07 < Steffanx> you know nothing, jon snow
2018-12-27T23:23:15 < karlp> invzim: bitmask pasted that a day or two ago :)
2018-12-27T23:23:45 < karlp> allegedly it's a wish app place
2018-12-27T23:24:23 < Steffanx> and it has been around for much longer than that
2018-12-27T23:25:13 < invzim> PC lust..  anyone upgraded recently?
2018-12-27T23:26:10 < invzim> looking at i9-9900k for good single thread performance
2018-12-27T23:26:45 < qyx> I upgraded firefox over 10 versions yesterday
2018-12-27T23:32:20 < zyp> invzim, have computers improved much recently?
2018-12-27T23:35:13 < superbia2> nop
2018-12-27T23:41:32 < invzim> not a LOT I guess, but I'm currently rocking a i7-3520Mobile and would like a bit of a boost when doing fpga stuff
2018-12-27T23:42:36 < invzim> the 9900k turbo's up to 5ghz
2018-12-27T23:43:01 < invzim> if it wasn't for single thread stuff, I would go amd
2018-12-27T23:43:58 < zyp> guess mobile gets you a point
2018-12-27T23:44:59 < zyp> I find my 3770K is still plenty for what I throw at it
2018-12-27T23:45:52 < superbia2> mobile gets a huge improvement, desktop not so much
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2018-12-28T00:07:21 < superbia2> original bedtime
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2018-12-28T00:08:24 < karlp> yeah, my old work laptop is "good" but my colleagues newer/shitter laptop actually compiles things way faster, even though I have a nice SSD.
2018-12-28T00:08:53 < superbia2> that is just a lie
2018-12-28T00:09:07 < superbia2> karlp: 
2018-12-28T00:09:21 < Steffanx> superbia2 is a lie
2018-12-28T00:09:36 < superbia2> bedtime Steffanx come an djoin
2018-12-28T00:09:52 < Steffanx> bedtime?
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2018-12-28T00:21:25 < invzim> laptops..  New job provided me with a HP POS
2018-12-28T00:22:04 < invzim> I hate that thing with a vengeance
2018-12-28T00:22:33 < invzim> comes with a complimentary locked down to useless windows7 
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2018-12-28T00:23:18 < invzim> I requested local admin, and got some kind of privilege elevation crap
2018-12-28T00:24:16 < veverak> lolo
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2018-12-28T00:42:24 < Steffanx> !wz melbourne
2018-12-28T00:42:26 < englishbot> [Melbourne, Australia] Clear. Temp is 31.0°C. South wind: 1.1 kph.
2018-12-28T00:44:54 < invzim> !wz oslo
2018-12-28T00:44:55 < englishbot> [Oslo, Norway] Partly Cloudy. Temp is -2°C. ENE wind: 4 kph. Humidity: 94%.
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2018-12-28T01:03:00 < zyp> !wz enan
2018-12-28T01:03:01 < englishbot> [Enan, (null)] Overcast. Temp is 24°C. SSW wind: 5 kph.
2018-12-28T01:03:08 < zyp> !wz ENAN
2018-12-28T01:03:09 < englishbot> [Enan, (null)] Overcast. Temp is 24°C. SSW wind: 5 kph.
2018-12-28T01:03:13 < zyp> !wz andøya
2018-12-28T01:03:14 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-12-28T01:03:17 < zyp> !wz andenes
2018-12-28T01:03:18 < englishbot> [Andenes, Norway] Overcast. Temp is 2°C but feels like -2°C. South wind: 17 kph. Humidity: 100%.
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2018-12-28T01:15:22 < zyp> I know you guys are sick of me asking, but I'm out of books again, what should I buy next?
2018-12-28T01:18:30 < zyp> I think I'm in the mood for a good space opera or something
2018-12-28T01:21:12 < Ultrasauce> leviathan wakes
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2018-12-28T01:22:39 < zyp> yeah, something like that
2018-12-28T01:23:01 < zyp> unfortunately I've already read all the expanse books so far
2018-12-28T01:23:07 < Steffanx> re-read
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2018-12-28T01:24:16 < zyp> haven't been that long since I read it
2018-12-28T01:24:37 < zyp> just a bit over a yar
2018-12-28T01:24:38 < zyp> year
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2018-12-28T01:33:36 < zyp> I want more suggestions
2018-12-28T01:34:22 < zyp> doesn't have to be space opera, just something that sounds fun
2018-12-28T01:34:50 < Ultrasauce> i actually have a scifi anthology curated by l ron hubbard and it has some good shit
2018-12-28T01:38:57 < Steffanx> nah ill buy some for you
2018-12-28T01:40:04 < fenugrec> zyp, Lensman series for some old old school scifi
2018-12-28T01:45:53 < zyp> hmm, maybe
2018-12-28T01:46:23 < zyp> considering Sleeping Giants now
2018-12-28T01:53:26 < kakimir> hello sensuals
2018-12-28T02:08:16 < Steffanx> lo
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2018-12-28T02:44:30 < _unreal_> !wz florida
2018-12-28T02:44:31 < englishbot> [Floridablanca, Colombia] Clear. Temp is 29°C but feels like 33°C. Humidity: 70%.
2018-12-28T02:44:36 < _unreal_> heh
2018-12-28T02:44:44 < _unreal_> !wz 33428
2018-12-28T02:44:45 < englishbot> [33428 - Boca Raton, FL] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 23.7°C. SSE wind: 11.3 kph. Humidity: 97%.
2018-12-28T02:44:51 < _unreal_> much better
2018-12-28T02:45:03 < Steffanx> Floridablanca never heard of that
2018-12-28T02:50:19 < kakimir> !wz kaki barama
2018-12-28T02:50:21 < englishbot> [Kaki Barama, Niger] Clear. Temp is 28°C. East wind: 15 kph.
2018-12-28T03:12:36 < rajkosto> whats the difference between UPDATE and CC1
2018-12-28T03:13:58 < kakimir> who are you asking?
2018-12-28T03:14:11 < rajkosto> anyone
2018-12-28T03:14:22 < kakimir> context?
2018-12-28T03:14:30 < rajkosto> you can set it as IT flag
2018-12-28T03:39:20 < rajkosto> i can use either and i get the overflow event in interrupt
2018-12-28T03:39:22 < rajkosto> whats the difference
2018-12-28T03:43:09 < rajkosto> ITEnable lets me enable whichever
2018-12-28T03:50:20 < rajkosto> and no, each timer other than tim1 can only trigger one interrupt
2018-12-28T03:50:34 < rajkosto> you do ITEnable to choose which ones trigger the one interrupt
2018-12-28T03:50:44 < rajkosto> then you check flags inside of it, just asking which flags to check
2018-12-28T03:54:52 < rajkosto> i need an interrupt on overflow (ARR has been applied)
2018-12-28T03:56:27 < rajkosto> but i dont want the interrupt executing if i just reset the counter from software
2018-12-28T03:56:59 < rajkosto> seems to be the same for update vs cc1
2018-12-28T03:57:20 < specing> Where could I read what happens on interrupt handler call? I have a stm32f072 and wonder if any registers are saved, are interrupts disabled/still enabled, etc
2018-12-28T03:57:34 < rajkosto> yes i mean i get the same result
2018-12-28T03:57:39 < rajkosto> if i use cc1 flag or update flag...
2018-12-28T03:57:50 < rajkosto> which one is actually triggered if counter overflows back int oarr
2018-12-28T03:58:33 < rajkosto> if i dont reset them in interrupt will the cpu keep going into interrupt ? it doesnt seem like it does
2018-12-28T03:59:20 < specing> Cracki: for example?
2018-12-28T03:59:52 < specing> Cracki: https://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers/stm32f072rb.html
2018-12-28T04:00:02 < specing> Maybe this one?  PM0215: STM32F0xxx Cortex-M0 programming manual 
2018-12-28T04:00:18 < specing> kk
2018-12-28T04:01:25 < specing> I see
2018-12-28T04:01:30 < specing> "hardware stacking of registers"
2018-12-28T04:01:32 < Steffanx> Find yourself a copy of: 
2018-12-28T04:01:32 < Steffanx> The Definitive Guide to the ARM Cortex-M
2018-12-28T04:01:34 < specing> "no overhead"
2018-12-28T04:01:42 < Steffanx> 0
2018-12-28T04:02:00 < Steffanx> Its a nice book. Not entirely free though
2018-12-28T04:02:15 < Steffanx> Except for the copies on the web
2018-12-28T04:02:18 < specing> :)
2018-12-28T04:03:08 < specing> I was just wondering this since I just hammered my first ISR into the vector table and its disassembly saved no registers
2018-12-28T04:04:18 < Steffanx> Crt your services are needed.
2018-12-28T04:04:45 < specing> Haven't tested it yet. Maybe it'll just work (tm)
2018-12-28T04:09:42 < specing> Cracki: highly likely, yes. It exits with bx lr, which presumably contains the correct EXC_RETURN value
2018-12-28T04:09:48 < specing> the latter
2018-12-28T04:10:25 < kakimir> https://youtu.be/hPkY8nBWxoU?t=167
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2018-12-28T04:14:23 < kakimir> did you see this already?
2018-12-28T04:14:37 < kakimir> are our youtubes now finally 100% synced?
2018-12-28T04:15:46 < kakimir> that thing is huge
2018-12-28T04:18:34 < kakimir> I know
2018-12-28T04:18:46 < kakimir> I have tig welding machine next to my bed
2018-12-28T04:19:43 < kakimir> problem is that analog control circuits are somehow facked
2018-12-28T04:20:11 < kakimir> went thru a bunch of caps
2018-12-28T04:20:17 < kakimir> regulators
2018-12-28T04:20:38 < kakimir> there is comparators and opamps left and ofc dull passives like resistors
2018-12-28T04:20:53 < kakimir> nothing interesting happening in resistors
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2018-12-28T08:16:15 < tjq> stm32?
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2018-12-28T09:29:10 < jadew> that break thing - it's probably not just 3D printed
2018-12-28T09:29:44 < jadew> they must be taking it through other processes too
2018-12-28T09:30:24 < jadew> like annealing
2018-12-28T09:32:29 < rajkosto> how do you config the timer input channels for software triggering only ?
2018-12-28T09:48:06 < rajkosto> i think TIM_SelectOutputTrigger needs to be something https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-28_08-48-06_mmQXxZkZ6.png
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2018-12-28T10:01:00 < jadew> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB14LvrbyMnBKNjSZFCq6x0KFXan/item.jpg
2018-12-28T10:01:48 < jadew> I would have named it Big Ass Butt Plug
2018-12-28T10:02:42 < jadew> has lots of orders
2018-12-28T10:02:57 < jadew> mainly from france and canada
2018-12-28T10:03:11 < rajkosto> Cracki, exactly, how do i trigger it from software
2018-12-28T10:03:37 < rajkosto> no i want to trigger oneshot mode of a timer
2018-12-28T10:03:38 < rajkosto> from the cpu
2018-12-28T10:04:22 < rajkosto> how do you start one channel of a timer
2018-12-28T10:06:23 < rajkosto> then why can you have more than 1 input channel configured
2018-12-28T10:07:24 < rajkosto> capture them to where
2018-12-28T10:16:16 < rajkosto> all the register docs have that note about buffered value sets and i cant find that anywhere in the stdperiph functions
2018-12-28T10:18:18 < rajkosto> everything on the internet about the timers is confusing as heck
2018-12-28T10:22:35 < rajkosto> to serve man ?
2018-12-28T10:24:39 < rajkosto> actually someone told me that im stupid for using 2 timers for this task instead of one, while it seems that its not possible to coalesce it into one timer
2018-12-28T10:26:45 < rajkosto> if i do combine it, my waveform resets if the phase + width time is longer than the triggering pulse time
2018-12-28T10:26:56 < rajkosto> (time between triggering pulses)
2018-12-28T10:33:39 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-28_09-33-40_uvQyEJqiG.png
2018-12-28T10:33:43 < rajkosto> if i use just one timer
2018-12-28T10:33:52 < rajkosto> the 2nd blue line would reset the yellow output
2018-12-28T10:34:11 < rajkosto> as in those i do the software trigger and set all the parameters
2018-12-28T10:35:18 < rajkosto> because i set CNT to 0 and ARR and CCR and then set CEN to start the timer again
2018-12-28T10:35:46 < rajkosto> if i dont "reset" everything then the timer would skip every 2nd pulse
2018-12-28T10:36:44 < rajkosto> yes
2018-12-28T10:36:48 < rajkosto> a higher phase shouldnt shorten the pulse.
2018-12-28T10:36:59 < rajkosto> 100% phase should be the limit and pulse would still work
2018-12-28T10:38:59 < rajkosto> it doesnt change often
2018-12-28T10:39:56 < rajkosto> i do the calculation based on % of the time since last blue line
2018-12-28T10:40:03 < rajkosto> phase and pulse are defined as %
2018-12-28T10:40:24 < rajkosto> as long as both are below 100% it should work
2018-12-28T10:40:39 < rajkosto> might glitch for one interval if the frequency changes
2018-12-28T10:51:24 < rajkosto> frankly i had an easier time doing this in a fpga with a softcore because i didnt have to dig around docs for it
2018-12-28T10:58:40 < rajkosto> its because pwm is dumb easy with a fpga
2018-12-28T10:59:14 < rajkosto> and theres no limits for combining/chaining
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2018-12-28T11:00:19 < rajkosto> fpga is huge and cant be gotten fake from aliexpress for a dollar
2018-12-28T11:00:52 < rajkosto> at least like 4 dollars
2018-12-28T11:01:20 < rajkosto> its easier to just figure out the stm32 timers for this
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2018-12-28T11:02:24 < rajkosto> however, they could do with a bit more pin configuration
2018-12-28T11:02:41 < rajkosto> ive found mcus that let you swap things around a LOT
2018-12-28T11:03:25 < rajkosto> the gpio pin alternate config is very limited on stm32
2018-12-28T11:03:51 < rajkosto> GPIO_PinRemapConfig
2018-12-28T11:12:41 < rajkosto> what about atsamd
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2018-12-28T11:21:47 < Thorn> TIL micropython compiles into machine code (right on the device)
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2018-12-28T11:45:48 < Thorn> should I try some 8051 just for kicks and which one?
2018-12-28T11:46:28 < zyp> hmm, one of the planes I were gonna take today is delayed
2018-12-28T11:46:52 < zyp> by about an hour, so I'd miss my connection
2018-12-28T11:47:06 < zyp> so now I'm gonna arrive an hour ahead of schedule instead
2018-12-28T11:51:38 < rajkosto> Thorn, FX2 ?
2018-12-28T11:51:47 < rajkosto> gpif designer is interesting
2018-12-28T11:52:04 < rajkosto> (way more sophisicated on the FX3 but that isnt a 8051)
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2018-12-28T11:53:54 < rajkosto> fx2 boards super cheap too
2018-12-28T11:55:01 < rajkosto> there are cool 8051s in things like usb hubs and display scalers too
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2018-12-28T12:33:25 < zyp> no, he's not in Tromsø
2018-12-28T12:34:00 < jadew> anyone got the FX-951 from hakko?
2018-12-28T12:35:17 < jadew> I want to solder chunky, metal connectors, on the ground plane without thermal relief
2018-12-28T12:35:20 < jadew> can it do it?
2018-12-28T12:41:58 < PaulFertser> https://www.amazon.com/ersa-Electronically-Temperature-Controlled-Soldering-Station/dp/B01KP7ZA34 looks like a valid option too, 80W should be plenty.
2018-12-28T12:44:09 < PaulFertser> What about preheating the surrounding area with hot air?
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2018-12-28T13:08:49 < Thorn> I'm getting context ads for R&S PSU for only $2600
2018-12-28T13:10:03 < jadew> PaulFertser, that's better priced, thanks
2018-12-28T13:10:54 < jadew> I thought about preheating the area, but it feels like too much trouble
2018-12-28T13:11:08 < jadew> if I could get away with just one good tool, that would be better
2018-12-28T13:11:35 < Thorn> jadew: use a hot plate
2018-12-28T13:11:54 < PaulFertser> jadew: I know a hardware guy who liked ersa nano for that kind of job. Though now they got JBC :)
2018-12-28T13:13:20 < jadew> PaulFertser, yeah the JBC would probably be the tool for the job, but it's super expensive
2018-12-28T13:14:11 < jadew> Thorn, what if I want to solder on the other side of the board, after the SMD stuff is already connected?
2018-12-28T13:14:35 < Thorn> preheat, turn over and solder
2018-12-28T13:43:48 < jadew> my new caliper just arrived :D
2018-12-28T13:44:06 < jadew> two weeks late, but I'm glad it's not 3
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2018-12-28T14:49:51 < dongs> fucking faggot shit.
2018-12-28T14:49:59 < dongs> altidumb has no keyboard hotkey for set net  color in schematic
2018-12-28T14:50:13 < dongs> and custom and clear net color are next to each other on menu
2018-12-28T14:50:23 < dongs> er clear all net colors
2018-12-28T14:50:34 < dongs> and the clear is not going to undo buffer...
2018-12-28T15:02:35 < antto> this sounds like a recipe
2018-12-28T15:07:16 <@englishman> lol
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2018-12-28T15:10:34 < dongs> recipe for disaster?
2018-12-28T15:10:44 < antto> ;P~
2018-12-28T15:12:57 < dongs> the real recipe is this dumb CC1310 shit i have to do
2018-12-28T15:13:14 < dongs> at least it looks like TI finally gave up on trying to merge their MSP420 shit with RF stuff
2018-12-28T15:13:23 < dongs> but I still think it would be cehaper with a M0 and some standalone china RF
2018-12-28T15:13:36 < dongs> CC1310 is cortex M3 or something
2018-12-28T15:14:29 < zyp> fun flying when nothing is on time
2018-12-28T15:14:37 < antto> i get dark clouds in my head when i start thinking about arm cortexez
2018-12-28T15:14:51 <@englishman> do you have to use code composter or whatever that ti ide is
2018-12-28T15:15:02 < dongs> thankfully i dont have to do anythign with software
2018-12-28T15:15:10 < dongs> this is ongoing bullshit where they've been trying to use msp420 for a year
2018-12-28T15:15:12 < dongs> and finalyl gave up
2018-12-28T15:15:16 < dongs> and their new revision uses the cortex shit
2018-12-28T15:15:21 < dongs> but yes i think they're using composter
2018-12-28T15:15:26 < dongs> which is probly wht they've been failing for a year
2018-12-28T15:15:26 < zyp> originally I had a three-leg flight today, but second flight got delayed enough I wouldn't make the last connection
2018-12-28T15:15:42 < zyp> so I got rescheduled to a direct flight for the last two legs instead
2018-12-28T15:16:04 < dongs> that sounds liek a win, are you coming to jp?
2018-12-28T15:16:11 <@englishman> why not that Murata module with stm32 and lorashit in one handy package
2018-12-28T15:16:21 < zyp> plane for that one arrived late, and then they had some problems with the plane so my flight got cancelled
2018-12-28T15:16:21 < dongs> cuz i cant imagine travel inside norgay needing 3 connections
2018-12-28T15:16:42 < zyp> so I get rescheduled again for another plane leaving in a couple of hours
2018-12-28T15:16:50 < zyp> no, this is all domestic :p
2018-12-28T15:16:58 < dongs> so like 30 minute flighst?
2018-12-28T15:17:06 < veverak> hmm
2018-12-28T15:17:18 < zyp> first one would be 30 min + two hours + one hour
2018-12-28T15:17:26 < zyp> direct one is also about two hours
2018-12-28T15:17:28 < veverak> got nucleo stm32l432kc as thing to throw into various projects when something is needed
2018-12-28T15:17:33 < veverak> anything more... favoured?
2018-12-28T15:17:55 < veverak> why the fuck is my aliexpress in azbuka?
2018-12-28T15:18:17 <@englishman> Norway is like japan narrow but tall, unlike japan tho only zyps parents and caribou live in the north
2018-12-28T15:18:30 < zyp> something like that
2018-12-28T15:18:45 < dongs> nobody lives in the north of japan either
2018-12-28T15:18:49 < veverak> hmm, F103 are much cheaper
2018-12-28T15:18:51 < dongs> except like 10 eskimos
2018-12-28T15:18:51 < zyp> I kinda hope next plane gets a bit delayed too
2018-12-28T15:19:21 < zyp> another 40 minutes or so and I'll be eligible for a 250EUR compensation if I understand the rules correctly
2018-12-28T15:19:25 < dongs> haha
2018-12-28T15:21:04 < Steffanx> Euro?
2018-12-28T15:21:25 < zyp> yeah
2018-12-28T15:22:20 < Steffanx> What happened with the NOK
2018-12-28T15:22:49 < zyp> compensation stuff is decided by EU rules
2018-12-28T15:23:46 < Steffanx> See the EU isnt so bad :ap
2018-12-28T15:23:50 < Steffanx> P
2018-12-28T15:29:26 < zyp> hmm
2018-12-28T15:29:58 < zyp> apparently the aircraft that's probably being used for that route is expected late
2018-12-28T15:30:14 < zyp> it's enroute now after leaving 29 minutes late
2018-12-28T15:35:05 < dongs> choked on stroopwafels
2018-12-28T15:38:56  * Steffanx kills dongs witha wooden shoe.
2018-12-28T15:39:23 <@englishman> he can fight back with a wooden sandal
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2018-12-28T15:42:11 < Steffanx> Hes unfixable. Im sorry
2018-12-28T15:44:21 < Steffanx> Cats?
2018-12-28T15:50:40 < dongs> hey this shit has SWO
2018-12-28T15:50:48 < dongs> at least its not a complete loss for debugging
2018-12-28T15:50:59 < dongs> probly still needs crap composter
2018-12-28T15:54:01 < zyp> looking at shit with 2.4GHz?
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2018-12-28T15:57:46 < dongs> no i think thy're using 433 or 90
2018-12-28T15:57:48 < dongs> 0
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2018-12-28T15:59:27 < bitmask> heyooo
2018-12-28T16:00:49 < zyp> ah
2018-12-28T16:01:28 < zyp> I'm planning to do some zigbee shit soon
2018-12-28T16:01:31 < bitmask> I need help with a voltage divider
2018-12-28T16:05:03 < Steffanx> .
2018-12-28T16:05:43 < bitmask> loading up vmware + altium to see if I can use a schematic to draw it out but might be easier to just describe it...
2018-12-28T16:05:52 < dongs> uh
2018-12-28T16:06:02 < dongs> how much "help" could you possibly need with a voltage divider
2018-12-28T16:06:17 < dongs> its 2 resistors
2018-12-28T16:07:09 < bitmask> I have a 4051 mux/demux connected to thermistors, I'm trying to convert the voltage to resistance and the resistance to temperature but I think I have the resistor in the wrong place, I put a 10k resistor from COM on the 4051 to the GND pin
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2018-12-28T16:08:14 < bitmask> at room temp the 10 bit adc is reading 800
2018-12-28T16:08:42 < Thorn> um I think you should have a divider per thermistor and mux the high impedance adc input
2018-12-28T16:08:43 < jadew> you're doing this wrong
2018-12-28T16:08:53 < jadew> 1) you have a redundant operation there
2018-12-28T16:09:01 < jadew> 2) you should use your multimeter
2018-12-28T16:09:29 < Thorn> the best way is to use a multichannel adc
2018-12-28T16:09:48 < bitmask> I didnt think about this before I ordered the pcbs so I was looking for the simplest method so I thought (aka hoped)  just one on the com would suffice
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2018-12-28T16:12:17 < superbia3> good afternoon pros
2018-12-28T16:17:26 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfXsrftqrpY
2018-12-28T16:19:58 < zyp> since there's no ZLL switch panels that does what I want, I figure I'll make my own
2018-12-28T16:21:06 < Steffanx> What kind of switch panel are we talking about?
2018-12-28T16:23:35 < bitmask> man I gotta desolder these trimpots and swap em with fixed resistors, these bucks are wilin' out
2018-12-28T16:25:08 < zyp> http://www.see-solutions.de/_other/gira/2003/bilder_2003.htm <- these things looks nice, fits in standard frames and all, and it's just dumb switches and leds
2018-12-28T16:25:23 < zyp> so I figure I'll just make a module that fits on the back
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2018-12-28T16:25:50 < Steffanx> Getto together some tradfri internals? :p
2018-12-28T16:25:54 < Steffanx> Ghetto
2018-12-28T16:26:03 < zyp> they actually make ZLL ones too that looks the same, but they don't have all the features I want
2018-12-28T16:26:51 < superbia3> testosterone switch
2018-12-28T16:27:28 < zyp> Steffanx, trådfri doesn't have the features either
2018-12-28T16:27:49 < Steffanx> Oh you mean the scene stuff?
2018-12-28T16:27:50 < zyp> I mean, I'm not sure ZLL does at all, but if I make my own I don't have to do ZLL only
2018-12-28T16:27:53 < zyp> yes
2018-12-28T16:28:34 < zyp> I wanna be able to push a button and have it send out a trigger through whatever gateway thing
2018-12-28T16:28:55 < Steffanx> Im not sure what kind of scenes you want anyway. Isnt it much easier to handle scenes in a central controller?
2018-12-28T16:29:06 < zyp> exactly, that's what I want
2018-12-28T16:29:16 < zyp> so scene triggers needs to be sent from the button to the central controller
2018-12-28T16:29:44 < zyp> anything ZLL that I've looked at only has locally stored scenes in each button panel that gets sent directly to the lights
2018-12-28T16:30:04 < zyp> and that sounds like a hassle to maintain
2018-12-28T16:30:32 < superbia3> write your own package manager
2018-12-28T16:31:28 < zyp> anyawy, shouldn't be too hard
2018-12-28T16:32:06 < zyp> ZLL keys are leaked so other people have already figured out to hack up something that talks ZLL, so I figure I can manage too
2018-12-28T16:32:36 < zyp> and using that switch panel, I don't have to worry about mechanical design, I just make a board with matching headers and stick it on the back
2018-12-28T16:33:03 < Steffanx> superbia3, are you crt? 
2018-12-28T16:35:44 < Steffanx> Hows does the tradfri gateway receive the update. From the switch or the light? 
2018-12-28T16:35:48 < Steffanx> *-s
2018-12-28T16:36:01 < Steffanx> or doesnt it get an update at all. not sure.
2018-12-28T16:36:14 < Steffanx> it does
2018-12-28T16:36:43 < Steffanx> and it seems it gets it from the light.
2018-12-28T16:40:20 < zyp> Steffanx, I don't expect it to, I expect I'll have to do my own gateway thing as well
2018-12-28T16:40:50 < zyp> i.e. it can talk plainer zigbee to my gateway thing and ZLL to the lights
2018-12-28T16:41:14 < zyp> as far as I understand, ZLL can coexist with other zigbee profiles in the same network
2018-12-28T16:41:26 < zyp> so it should be able to do both just fine
2018-12-28T16:41:29 < Steffanx> Was just talking out loud and wondering how the tradfri gateway works. 
2018-12-28T16:43:33 < superbia3> execuse me, what is tradfri gateway
2018-12-28T16:43:49 < Steffanx> its the ikea smart light stuff
2018-12-28T16:43:52 < Steffanx> "smart"
2018-12-28T16:44:30 < superbia3> whath's ikea
2018-12-28T16:44:40 < Steffanx> IKEA.
2018-12-28T16:44:50 < Steffanx> (R)
2018-12-28T16:45:10 < superbia3> is it like wallmart but in sweden?
2018-12-28T16:45:28 < Steffanx> try ikea.ro
2018-12-28T16:45:48 < Steffanx> or ikea.ch
2018-12-28T16:48:57 < Steffanx> Anyway, back to my force feedback stuff. Windows understand the HID descriptor, even knows its a force feedback device (according to dxdiag), but not a single tool to send so-called effects sees the device -_-.
2018-12-28T16:49:02 < Steffanx> Why are you doing this to me windows.
2018-12-28T16:50:11 < superbia3> why
2018-12-28T16:50:12 < specing> Steffanx: have you tried GNU+Linux and/or some UNIX?
2018-12-28T16:50:25 < superbia3> specing: linux is for virgins
2018-12-28T16:50:50 < Steffanx> No, but then i dont know if there are even tools for this for lunix/osx
2018-12-28T16:50:59 < Thorn> mac os is the only real unix left
2018-12-28T16:51:28 < Steffanx> and lunix is irrelevant anyway.
2018-12-28T16:51:53 < specing> Steffanx: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/input/ff.html
2018-12-28T16:53:21 < Steffanx> heh
2018-12-28T16:53:42 < Steffanx> i could try
2018-12-28T16:54:42 < Steffanx> "Anyway, you should keep a hand on your device, in order to avoid it to break down if something goes wrong." LOL
2018-12-28T16:55:21 < specing> understandable, as lunux has more force than windows
2018-12-28T16:55:25 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSWkw69KM1U
2018-12-28T17:06:16 < zyp> haha
2018-12-28T17:07:50 < bitmask> man, iz confuzed.  so this buck uses a trimpot to set the output voltage which is part of a voltage divider.  since there is only one trimpot, does that mean the 'other' resistor is fixed on the board? The board has spots for two resistors so I'm not sure if I need both or if there already is one? 
2018-12-28T17:08:54 < Steffanx> do you also wear a nice camo-suite like that Thorn ?
2018-12-28T17:09:40 < zyp> bitmask, you can picture a pot as two resistors in series, the point between them being the wiper
2018-12-28T17:09:46 < Thorn> bitmask: a trim pot normally has 3 terminals and works as a complete divider
2018-12-28T17:09:53 < bitmask> ohhh
2018-12-28T17:09:57 < bitmask> thanks
2018-12-28T17:10:13 < Thorn> when you turn it one resistor increases, the other decreases
2018-12-28T17:11:39 < Thorn> Steffanx: nope
2018-12-28T17:19:38 < Thorn> Steffanx: they're very popular for all kinds of activities where you may get dirty, such as working on your car etc.
2018-12-28T17:22:30 < Thorn> raccoon live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZbOciY75u0
2018-12-28T17:23:05 < Steffanx> Will there be tits Thorn ?
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2018-12-28T17:56:47 < superbia3> 4
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2018-12-28T18:22:02 < bitmask> boo, you guys were wrong, it doesnt use both ends of the trimpot, looks like it uses the trimpot for one end and a fixed for the other
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2018-12-28T18:28:52 < Steffanx> lies.
2018-12-28T18:30:51 < mawk> why do you say GNU+Linux specing 
2018-12-28T18:30:57 < mawk> you've been indoctrinated by rms
2018-12-28T18:31:04 < Steffanx> GNU-rms*
2018-12-28T18:31:06 < mawk> we must cleanse your brain
2018-12-28T18:32:04 < specing> mawk: yes. no.
2018-12-28T18:33:42 < specing> mawk: I say GNU+Linux because just saying GNU would not make it understandable
2018-12-28T18:34:15 < mawk> no I mean usually people use /
2018-12-28T18:34:15 < specing> as GNU runs on more than one kernel
2018-12-28T18:35:42 < specing> oh that. I don't remember any more, could be due to RMS
2018-12-28T18:38:19 < Steffanx> GNU/RMS
2018-12-28T18:38:22 < Steffanx> damnit
2018-12-28T18:41:21 < superbia3> what are you two fucks talking about
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2018-12-28T18:49:43 < catphish> GNU/Windows10
2018-12-28T18:50:29 < superbia3> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Anti-whaling.jpg/800px-Anti-whaling.jpg
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2018-12-28T19:03:25 < aandrew> hot
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2018-12-28T19:48:38 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/9j7wOOq.jpg
2018-12-28T19:48:46 < upgrdman> loljaps  https://i.imgur.com/wvGBYXF.jpg
2018-12-28T19:48:48 < bitmask> should I leave that 8.2k resistor?
2018-12-28T19:50:23 < bitmask> or is that only used with the trimpot that I already got rid of
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2018-12-28T20:15:48 < rajkosto> bitmask, how's that 1$ chinesium mps based dc2dc treating you ?
2018-12-28T20:16:27 < rajkosto> the 2 unpopulated spots that normally come with it are for static resistors for the feedback divider
2018-12-28T20:16:32 < rajkosto> if you remove the trimpot you would put in those
2018-12-28T20:16:34 < bitmask> its fine if I can figure out how the voltage divider works
2018-12-28T20:16:38 < rajkosto> test the output voltage before solderingi t
2018-12-28T20:17:05 < bitmask> but the right one is already connected to a 8.2k resistor which is confusing me
2018-12-28T20:17:39 < rajkosto> here is the datasheet https://www.monolithicpower.com/pub/media/document/MP1584_r1.0.pdf
2018-12-28T20:18:16 < bitmask> http://img009.hc360.cn/m8/M07/AA/BB/wKhQpVYt9feENd_8AAAAAHR4jTI860.pdf
2018-12-28T20:18:18 < bitmask> thats the one on mine
2018-12-28T20:19:07 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-28_19-19-07_MBdxfLp0g.png you sure ?
2018-12-28T20:19:38 < bitmask> that looks nothing like the pic I posted
2018-12-28T20:20:20 < superbia3> bedtime
2018-12-28T20:22:32 < Steffanx> wut?
2018-12-28T20:23:14 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-28_19-23-13_aVAgBFFKc.png
2018-12-28T20:23:35 < rajkosto> R1 is between OUT and FB, R2 is between FB and GND
2018-12-28T20:24:28 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-28_19-24-26_SFhUlY7WA.png
2018-12-28T20:24:36 < superbia3> Steffanx: bedtime
2018-12-28T20:24:49 < Steffanx> A bit early isnt it?
2018-12-28T20:24:50 < rajkosto> what output voltage do you have
2018-12-28T20:24:53 < rajkosto> want*
2018-12-28T20:24:57 < superbia3> too much serbia in my blut
2018-12-28T20:25:00 < bitmask> whats that 8.2k resistor doing though, between fb and gnd
2018-12-28T20:25:12 < Steffanx> time to be nice superbia3
2018-12-28T20:25:23 < bitmask> how would I have any output voltage? I just took the trimpot off
2018-12-28T20:25:26 < superbia3> fuck you lads
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2018-12-28T20:25:36 < rajkosto> bitmask, want
2018-12-28T20:25:45 < bitmask> oh
2018-12-28T20:25:47 < bitmask> 5v
2018-12-28T20:26:22 < bitmask> so I want 54k and 12k
2018-12-28T20:26:29 < rajkosto> sure
2018-12-28T20:26:35 < rajkosto> or you could adapt the 8.2k already there
2018-12-28T20:26:37 < rajkosto> and just place fb
2018-12-28T20:26:59 < bitmask> ok thats what I wasnt sure about, so I can either leave it or replace it
2018-12-28T20:27:39 < rajkosto> yes but then R1 is different
2018-12-28T20:27:44 < bitmask> yea I know
2018-12-28T20:27:58 < rajkosto> feedback voltage on that thing is 0.925v
2018-12-28T20:28:03 < bitmask> yea
2018-12-28T20:28:09 < rajkosto> form a voltage divider with R1 and R2 so you get 0.925v at FB
2018-12-28T20:28:13 < rajkosto> http://www.ohmslawcalculator.com/voltage-divider-calculator
2018-12-28T20:28:25 < bitmask> i know
2018-12-28T20:28:45 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-28_19-28-46_xWGAmETrD.png
2018-12-28T20:29:01 < bitmask> haha ive said I know like 3 times already
2018-12-28T20:29:09 < bitmask> thank you
2018-12-28T20:29:25 < rajkosto> it generates 54k if you put in 12k as R2 so its correct
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2018-12-28T21:12:38 < bitmask> 5.04V, that will do
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2018-12-28T22:59:44 < invzim> this has got to be a faq, things work and look good when probing with scope - the second I take the probe away from testpoint everything goes to shit
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2018-12-28T23:06:39 < PaulFertser> invzim: then it likely means scope probe capacitance (10p usually) plays a role there.
2018-12-28T23:13:23 < qyx> fuk enable, I connected smps EN together to a CAN driver Rs
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2018-12-28T23:14:04 < qyx> not realizing smps EN is active high and CAN Rs enable is active low
2018-12-28T23:14:47 < qyx> so I either have a proper VCC for disabled driver or enabled driver with no VCC
2018-12-28T23:15:09 < qyx> I am assuming neither one is going to work
2018-12-28T23:16:05 < Steffanx> wwhops
2018-12-28T23:18:21 < qyx> now I connected Rs to GND directly
2018-12-28T23:18:45 < qyx> hoping that disabling the smps puts the driver into undervoltage/POR
2018-12-28T23:19:20 < qyx> but this particular boost smps has no true disconnect
2018-12-28T23:20:20 < qyx> so with a 3V6 on its VCC, it *sometimes* draws *some* power
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2018-12-28T23:50:36 < bitmask> wtf, why are these 10k thermistors 2.2k at room temp???
2018-12-28T23:51:18 < aandrew> check the datasheet
2018-12-28T23:51:33 < bitmask> isnt 10k supposed to be the room temp resistance?
2018-12-28T23:52:01 < aandrew> no
2018-12-28T23:52:14 < aandrew> 10k is one end of its range
2018-12-28T23:54:00 < bitmask> I dont think so.. 10k should be at 25C
2018-12-28T23:54:46 < aandrew> datasheet tells all
2018-12-28T23:59:39 < bitmask> no it doesnt, they must have sent me the wrong ones, 10k means 10k at 25c
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2018-12-29T00:01:49 < Steffanx> Aliexpress?
2018-12-29T00:01:51 < Steffanx> Ebay?
2018-12-29T00:02:59 < bitmask> ebay
2018-12-29T00:05:35 < aandrew> huh
2018-12-29T00:05:38 < aandrew> you're right, my mistake
2018-12-29T00:18:49 < bitmask> and since the resistance is wrong I can't know what the B value is either, at least I'm getting a somewhat close temperature now (within 10c)
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2018-12-29T00:21:02 < aandrew> an old analog guy once showed me a real neat trick for thermistor measurement
2018-12-29T00:21:20 < aandrew> cheap current reference driving a cheap analog mux
2018-12-29T00:21:36 < aandrew> you have one 1% or 0.1% regular old reference resistor
2018-12-29T00:21:49 < aandrew> you drive current into it and measure the voltage across it with your ADC
2018-12-29T00:21:56 < aandrew> then go to the thermistor and do the same
2018-12-29T00:22:14 < aandrew> you can do this for a few points and build up a correction table
2018-12-29T00:22:25 < aandrew> do whatever interpolation you want between them (linear usually works fine) 
2018-12-29T00:22:47 < aandrew> but at powerup and periodically after you can drive the reference resistor again to find the correction needed
2018-12-29T00:22:53 < aandrew> no need for precision current references
2018-12-29T00:23:49 < rajkosto> yeah they are 10k at 25oC
2018-12-29T00:23:54 < rajkosto> increases with colder, decreases with warmer
2018-12-29T00:24:07 < rajkosto> so you just connect to ADC with a 10k pulldown
2018-12-29T00:24:16 < rajkosto> and vdda on the other side
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2018-12-29T00:27:31 < zyp> Steffanx, turns out I might be getting those 250EUR after all
2018-12-29T00:28:06 < zyp> they spent a bunch of time getting the luggage loaded up and lost their time slot and had to wait quite a while for another
2018-12-29T00:32:01 < zyp> just hope I won't fall under any bullshit exceptions
2018-12-29T00:37:04 < Steffanx> Just try :)
2018-12-29T00:37:13 < zyp> of course
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2018-12-29T01:06:47 < Steffanx> i found him crt ^
2018-12-29T01:07:12 < Steffanx> idk
2018-12-29T01:12:17 < Steffanx> no ty
2018-12-29T01:12:20 < Steffanx> i have one
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2018-12-29T01:46:19 < Steffanx> You should start recording videos moite crt
2018-12-29T01:46:50 < Steffanx> "hello pumpers"
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2018-12-29T02:01:00 < rajkosto> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iUTZajxlWI
2018-12-29T02:02:05 < Steffanx> Hmm, that must be crt, rajkosto
2018-12-29T02:19:18 < catphish> is there a way to initialise a wide type from a string in C? ie uint32_t zero_zero[] = "\0\0\0\0\0\0\00"
2018-12-29T02:20:09 < catphish> gimp saves c strings, bit they're 32 bits per pixel, i want them in a uint32_t*
2018-12-29T02:22:31 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RgxNB6oyL1X63yCT_vc68mrLgSHP1q6a/view?usp=sharing hello valves
2018-12-29T02:23:26 < catphish> nice valves
2018-12-29T02:24:09 < catphish> looks like this works: uint32_t zero_zero[] = U"\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0
2018-12-29T02:24:43 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CddXJyUUEhtNsp6RO0oRKzCWHn94GKcK/view?usp=sharing hello timing chain
2018-12-29T02:25:08 < catphish> nice timing chain
2018-12-29T02:25:23 < Steffanx> Hello reflexes of kakimir when playing with the chain.
2018-12-29T02:25:23 < catphish> are you making some kind of internal combusting machine?
2018-12-29T02:26:20 < kakimir> it would be interesting project
2018-12-29T02:26:57 < catphish> i'd enjoy building an stm32 ECU for an ICE
2018-12-29T02:27:06 < catphish> but i fear i'd get though way too much hardware
2018-12-29T02:28:14 < Steffanx> Whats an ICE? Usually there isnt too much hardware involved.
2018-12-29T02:28:44 < kakimir> I could maybe use broken engine block to start working on electrically controlled valve project
2018-12-29T02:30:26 < catphish> Steffanx: internal combustion engine
2018-12-29T02:31:02 < catphish> i mentioned this once before, someone suggested starting small with a single cylinder lawnmower engine
2018-12-29T02:31:06 < Steffanx> oh lol, english terms :P
2018-12-29T02:31:14 < Steffanx> probably sync or something
2018-12-29T02:31:43 < catphish> the hardware involved is all the pistons you destroy :)
2018-12-29T02:32:19 < catphish> or crankshafts, actually i have very little idea how an engine works or what you'd break by messing up the timing
2018-12-29T02:32:44 < catphish> but i imagine you'd damage something between those 2 :)
2018-12-29T02:33:04 < Steffanx> :)
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2018-12-29T03:05:20 < tjq> :)
2018-12-29T03:19:16 < kakimir> if you mess up spark timing - maybe no instant damage
2018-12-29T03:19:28 < kakimir> if you mess up valve timing - instant damage
2018-12-29T03:20:49 < kakimir> goes into category of "catastrophic engine failures"
2018-12-29T03:21:45 < specing> > catphish | i mentioned this once before, someone suggested starting small with a single cylinder lawnmower engine
2018-12-29T03:21:54 < specing> they make tiny engines for model airplanes
2018-12-29T03:22:28 < Thorn> ssd1306 works
2018-12-29T03:22:47 < kakimir> you don't get to understand the mechanics of 4stroke engine and methods of working on engine with model airplane engine
2018-12-29T03:22:54 < catphish> Cracki: yeah, this is kinda painful, gimp exports images in "C" format, which is a string literal containing "ARGBARGB..." data
2018-12-29T03:23:15 < kakimir> it's just like 3 moving parts and 2 fixed parts and that's all
2018-12-29T03:23:21 < specing> Cracki: they are strings, just not C ones
2018-12-29T03:23:34 < catphish> it's a string literal
2018-12-29T03:23:59 < catphish> oh, i see
2018-12-29T03:24:12 < catphish> not a string in the c way then, a byte array
2018-12-29T03:24:53 < catphish> uint32_t demo_sprite[] = U"\000\000\000\000" works i think
2018-12-29T03:25:19 < catphish> my compler seems to work out the length
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2018-12-29T03:25:59 < catphish> oh, when using it, sure, i need to know the glength
2018-12-29T03:26:07 < specing> Cracki | if anything in there can be 0, it is the end of that string
2018-12-29T03:26:13 < specing> no, a 0 can be a part of the string
2018-12-29T03:26:24 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opvopULDhVI solid high quality kakimusics
2018-12-29T03:26:25 < specing> its not a C string :)
2018-12-29T03:26:46 < catphish> but that's not really the point, it's just memory, an arbitrary list of octets, and i want to coerce it to be a uint32_t[]
2018-12-29T03:27:05 < catphish> but sure, it's not a string in the c sense
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2018-12-29T03:28:36 < catphish> yeah those people can bite me
2018-12-29T03:29:03 < catphish> but i do quite understand the problem
2018-12-29T03:30:01 < catphish> oh, i think i can cast it, just didnt have the right syntax
2018-12-29T03:31:16 < catphish> well, it contains 4 byte color values, i move pixels around as uint32_t everywhere else in my code
2018-12-29T03:31:44 < catphish> it just makes sense, that's the size of the unit of data
2018-12-29T03:32:08 < catphish> it's not a number, but it's what i want in my cpu registers
2018-12-29T03:33:08 < catphish> yes, it's pretty much always opaque, though i do know the byte order (and the cpu this runs on) and occasionally check the most significant byte for opacity
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2018-12-29T03:33:56 < catphish> ultimately it gets passed to graphics hardware as-is
2018-12-29T03:36:19 < catphish> the code is a 2d sprite renderer, it copies graphics to a framebuffer
2018-12-29T03:36:29 < catphish> while testing, i put some sprites in c code
2018-12-29T03:41:00 < catphish> it's not terribly important
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2018-12-29T06:51:36 < bitmask> nice, first test with heating.  the temp control with thermistors is working great
2018-12-29T06:52:31 < bitmask> just using a proportional controller so I gotta play with some P values (just doing error * P = duty cycle)
2018-12-29T06:53:20 < bitmask> set to 120F it stays within +- 3 with my first try
2018-12-29T06:57:33 < aandrew> I find that heating is almost always P, maybe a tiny PI
2018-12-29T06:58:29 < bitmask> yea I think i'll be ok with out I
2018-12-29T06:59:53 < aandrew> I will help you settle on the target but honestly it will depend on what you're heating
2018-12-29T07:04:17 < bitmask> i'm just gonna run some tests
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2018-12-29T07:55:37 < bitmask> https://youtu.be/xMOiasqyowc
2018-12-29T08:02:31 < bitmask> I have some pid experience, I wrote a flight controller fw
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2018-12-29T08:27:49 < rajkosto> the logo is mirrored on the pcb vs oled
2018-12-29T08:30:05 < rajkosto> this displeases me
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2018-12-29T12:08:39 < Thorn> is this really TFT https://www.aliexpress.com/item/IPS-display-0-96-inch-TFT-LCD-Display-Screen-80-160-ST7735-Drive-IC-3-3V/32955999001.html
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2018-12-29T12:14:45 < Thorn> and where is the pinout
2018-12-29T12:33:13 < dongs> thorn, nice price
2018-12-29T12:34:14 < dongs> lol @ the4 orders
2018-12-29T12:34:20 < dongs> 2 from japs, 2 from .ru
2018-12-29T12:34:27 < dongs> ah its asme jap
2018-12-29T12:36:12 < Thorn> Cracki: thanks
2018-12-29T12:41:43 < Thorn> apparently this is the same thing but 240x240 https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/1.3inch_LCD_HAT
2018-12-29T12:45:24 < dongs> damm that is nice
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2018-12-29T12:52:40 < Thorn> and reset is on a different pin
2018-12-29T12:53:24 < Thorn> will have to try contacting the seller
2018-12-29T13:07:01 < Thorn> https://www.buydisplay.com/download/manual/ER-TFT0.96-1_Datasheet.pdf
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2018-12-29T14:37:39 < sync> catphish: unless you have variable valve timing it is quite hard to break an engine just messing about
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2018-12-29T15:15:36 < superbia> good day gentleman
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2018-12-29T15:49:12 < catphish> sync: is valve timing still mechcnical in modern engines?
2018-12-29T15:49:36 < catphish> in any case, it certainly would be in any old engine you were messing about with
2018-12-29T16:16:41 < Thorn> oh crap they have touch panels for 0.91" displays
2018-12-29T16:16:51 < Thorn> >(under development)
2018-12-29T16:17:29 < catphish> i'm waiting patiently for large circular displays
2018-12-29T16:17:47 < catphish> (larger than watch size)
2018-12-29T16:18:47 < Thorn> like wall clock sized?
2018-12-29T16:19:07 < Thorn> with a .gif cuckoo
2018-12-29T16:23:32 < Steffanx> would be cool indeed
2018-12-29T16:23:37 < Steffanx> but .. probably not ever, because not useful
2018-12-29T16:24:55 < catphish> someone was asking me about them with a view to building replacement car dash displays
2018-12-29T16:27:24 < Steffanx> What size are you talking about? > 10cm?
2018-12-29T16:28:05 < catphish> about 10cm i guess
2018-12-29T16:28:20 < Steffanx> since 3.4 inch does exist
2018-12-29T16:28:24 < Steffanx> isnt even that expensive
2018-12-29T16:28:33 < catphish> does it? i've not seen such a thing
2018-12-29T16:29:00 < catphish> that's a little small, but much better than ive seen before
2018-12-29T16:29:27 < Steffanx> Yes it does
2018-12-29T16:29:48 < BrainDamage> you don't need a large circular display, do you?
2018-12-29T16:29:57 < catphish> oh yeah
2018-12-29T16:29:59 < BrainDamage> you can use a rectangular that's larger and put a plastic mask in front
2018-12-29T16:30:12 < Steffanx> but thats no fun.
2018-12-29T16:30:35 < catphish> except, i can't, that's the tricky part
2018-12-29T16:30:53 < catphish> (well this isn't my project, but the person who wants it can't)
2018-12-29T16:31:45 < catphish> nice https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/-strong-3-4-strong-strong_60710457468.html?spm=a2700.9099375.35.9.519371cdehtogw
2018-12-29T16:32:23 < Steffanx> yeah 800x800 isnt even that bad
2018-12-29T16:32:43 < Steffanx> theres also some page that shows video on it
2018-12-29T16:33:12 < catphish> theres some cheaper 320x320 ones too
2018-12-29T16:33:30 < Steffanx> https://das-tek.en.alibaba.com/product/60779706753-803264848/HDMI_to_MIPI_board_3_4_inch_800_800_Round_lcd_display_with_touch_screen.html although the video quality is baad
2018-12-29T16:33:42 < catphish> but most seem to be the same 800x800 version
2018-12-29T16:34:20 < Steffanx> 4.2" is real too, but probably $$$$: https://www.andersdx.com/display-products/4.2inch-circular-colour-tft-lcd-display/
2018-12-29T16:36:20 < Thorn> >Power Supply Voltage min/typ/max 2.5/2.8/3.3V
2018-12-29T16:36:21 <@englishman> i.imgur.com/gwtDp16.jpg
2018-12-29T16:36:23 < Thorn> what do
2018-12-29T16:36:54 < Thorn> attn englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdBUCCy3Oc0
2018-12-29T16:36:55 < Steffanx> that's no 4k englishman  
2018-12-29T16:37:24 <@englishman> certainly not, stm32f072 would not be able to double buffer 4k
2018-12-29T16:37:43 < BrainDamage> Thorn: either boost to 3.5 and ldo to 3.3 or buck boost
2018-12-29T16:38:07 < Thorn> it's the 0.91"tft
2018-12-29T16:38:10 <@englishman> power from a LiFePo directly
2018-12-29T16:38:27 <@englishman> or 2xAA
2018-12-29T16:38:28 < Thorn> it wants 2.8V typ and SPI not more than Vdd of course
2018-12-29T16:39:25 < BrainDamage> SPI is unidirectional, you can add a voltage divider
2018-12-29T16:39:27 < Thorn> I'd have to (1) power all my digital stuff with 2.8V (2) use stm32f0 with separate gpio supply (3) ???
2018-12-29T16:39:39 <@englishman> what's wrong with 1
2018-12-29T16:39:43 < Thorn> 4 dividers (or 5 with reset)
2018-12-29T16:40:11 < Thorn> dunno, not all ICs might like 2.8V for dinner
2018-12-29T16:40:30 < BrainDamage> you can get a bus isolator ic
2018-12-29T16:40:35 <@englishman> time to EngineeringTM
2018-12-29T16:41:05 < BrainDamage> or see if a level shifter can digest 2.8V supply
2018-12-29T16:42:44 <@englishman> np
2018-12-29T16:45:56 <@englishman> https://shop.dansprojects.com/wiidual-kit.html
2018-12-29T16:45:58 <@englishman> cool
2018-12-29T16:50:09 <@englishman> I like the black flex on the Dreamcast one
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2018-12-29T17:19:19 < aandrew> BrainDamage: I tend to buck/boost when running off single lipoly and need all the juice
2018-12-29T17:27:50 < Steffanx> Whats up with the lcd englishman?
2018-12-29T17:31:03 <@englishman> the cat one? some old project i forgot about
2018-12-29T17:33:44 < catphish> lol @ the girl being interviewed about being called "Alexa Seary"
2018-12-29T17:43:24 < Steffanx> did i miss a blaxter vid?
2018-12-29T17:44:08 < mawk> https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/alexa-seary-siri-waking-nightmare_us_58c80b02e4b081a56def9415
2018-12-29T17:44:16 < mawk> their URLs are extremely ugly
2018-12-29T17:44:54 < Steffanx> ah lol
2018-12-29T17:51:17 < Steffanx> hows becoming dutch going mawk?
2018-12-29T17:53:01 < mawk> I'm already dutch
2018-12-29T17:53:09 < mawk> I just have to go to the consulate get the passport
2018-12-29T17:53:21 < Steffanx> but you're not in dutchland
2018-12-29T17:53:26 < mawk> not yet
2018-12-29T17:53:36 < Steffanx> and are you a frequent visitor of our own crap website dumpert.nl yet?
2018-12-29T17:53:47 < mawk> lol
2018-12-29T17:53:48 < mawk> yes
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2018-12-29T17:53:54 < mawk> I've been on it quite a few times
2018-12-29T17:54:14 < Steffanx> Excellent. You must be following the live steam them. dumpert top 1337. With the best 1337 videos ever.
2018-12-29T17:54:31 < Steffanx> *them = then
2018-12-29T17:55:17 < mawk> lol
2018-12-29T17:55:58 < mawk> I'll have to find an internship by july
2018-12-29T17:56:08 < mawk> internship or plain contract
2018-12-29T17:57:01 < Steffanx> Are you done studying or .. ? is the internship to finish it?
2018-12-29T17:57:28 < mawk> it's to finish it
2018-12-29T17:57:40 < mawk> I still have a semester because I never went to school so they made me do it again
2018-12-29T17:57:42 < Steffanx> in what field?
2018-12-29T17:58:03 < mawk> "computer expertise, realtime and embedded computing"
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2018-12-29T17:59:02 < mawk> my girlfriend is learning dutch
2018-12-29T17:59:13 < Steffanx> hah. lol.
2018-12-29T17:59:15 < mawk> she says pronouns are confusing
2018-12-29T17:59:22 < Steffanx> GGGGG :)
2018-12-29T17:59:34 < mawk> yeah that's another fun part
2018-12-29T17:59:43 < mawk> slagroom
2018-12-29T18:00:56 < Steffanx> French is just as confusing for a dutchi
2018-12-29T18:00:57 < Steffanx> e
2018-12-29T18:01:23 < mawk> yeah I can imagine
2018-12-29T18:01:28 < mawk> most of my compatriots speak bad french
2018-12-29T18:01:30 < mawk> and even on TV
2018-12-29T18:01:39 < mawk> with my gf we spend our time spotting the french errors when people speak on TV
2018-12-29T18:01:59 < mawk> politics are good at speaking bad french
2018-12-29T18:02:39 < Steffanx> compatriots = native french?
2018-12-29T18:02:54 < mawk> yeah
2018-12-29T18:03:02 < mawk> compatriots means co-citizens
2018-12-29T18:03:06 < mawk> I thought it was an english word
2018-12-29T18:03:22 < Steffanx> it seems to be.
2018-12-29T18:03:47 < Steffanx> but, unlike Ultrasauce's dictionary, my dictionary is limited.
2018-12-29T18:03:52 < mawk> lol
2018-12-29T18:04:05 < mawk> but "patrie" is more like "Heimat" in german
2018-12-29T18:04:43 < mawk> so when a politic tries to sound serious they say "my dear compatriots"
2018-12-29T18:05:16 < Steffanx> wiktionary even says it comes from the french word compatriote
2018-12-29T18:05:33 < Steffanx> and then latin
2018-12-29T18:06:07 <@englishman> why not
2018-12-29T18:06:10 <@englishman> common patriot
2018-12-29T18:06:13 < mawk> yeah when I want to say something in english I take any latin-based french word and englishify it
2018-12-29T18:06:22 < Steffanx> cum patria.
2018-12-29T18:06:25 < Steffanx> or something
2018-12-29T18:06:26 <@englishman> come let us crush the gentry
2018-12-29T18:06:38 <@englishman> vive les patriotes
2018-12-29T18:07:04 < Steffanx> Je ne parle pas français.
2018-12-29T18:07:43 <@englishman> évidemment
2018-12-29T18:07:51 < mawk> ´´
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2018-12-29T18:08:22 < Steffanx> `
2018-12-29T18:24:27 < marble_visions> hi all
2018-12-29T18:25:11 < Steffanx> Welcome sir
2018-12-29T18:25:20 < marble_visions> is it bad form to #include <machine/endian.h> from an arm-none-eabi toolchain, since i want to get my hands on "htonl"-like functions
2018-12-29T18:25:43 < marble_visions> i think getting them from a standardized place is better than to roll my own out
2018-12-29T18:26:24 < marble_visions> Steffanx: oh my, aren't you courteous today
2018-12-29T18:26:51 < marble_visions> s/arm-none-eabi/gcc-arm-none-eabi/
2018-12-29T18:27:10 < marble_visions> since i know there are arm gcc naysayers here
2018-12-29T18:41:03 < catphish> i'm at the part of my developing where i need to write support for usb, it's quite a bit more complicated than i was expecting :)
2018-12-29T18:41:21 < marble_visions> on the desktop linux hton-like are in arpa/inet.h, on the net i see them in "in.h", so i was worried that hton-like functionality is non-standard
2018-12-29T18:41:59 < Thorn> catphish: if you want to get scared for real you are welcome to take a look at https://github.com/pthorn/cortexm-usb-driver lol
2018-12-29T18:42:21 < catphish> i don't even know what help i need yet, just starting to read about it
2018-12-29T18:42:41 < catphish> on linux, definitely #include <arpa/inet.h>
2018-12-29T18:42:50 < catphish> i just use that include, never questioned ut
2018-12-29T18:42:51 < catphish> *it
2018-12-29T18:43:47 < catphish> ^ this
2018-12-29T18:43:48 < marble_visions> i had an assumption that standard functionality was also placed in standard places, but thinking about it, one does not follow from the other
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2018-12-29T18:44:10 < marble_visions> in gcc-arm-none-eabi it's in machine/endian.h
2018-12-29T18:44:21 < bitmask> https://youtu.be/xMOiasqyowc
2018-12-29T18:45:20 < catphish> looks nice bitmask 
2018-12-29T18:45:27 < catphish> decided on your casing design yet?
2018-12-29T18:45:29 < bitmask> thanks
2018-12-29T18:45:39 < bitmask> what about?
2018-12-29T18:45:42 < bitmask> its pretty much done
2018-12-29T18:46:04 < zyp> catphish, any reason why you're writing your own?
2018-12-29T18:46:17 < marble_visions> Cracki: oh, definitely would have double-checked the ops if i had gotten sth from the internet
2018-12-29T18:46:18 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/dy4ei43
2018-12-29T18:46:36 < catphish> zyp: i'm writing everything, it's that or run linux, which i just didn't fancy on this occasion :)
2018-12-29T18:46:39 < bitmask> need to figure out the buttons and reprint in not clear but I think it will do well
2018-12-29T18:47:03 < zyp> catphish, NIH syndrome :)
2018-12-29T18:47:22 < aandrew> bitmask: nice... at least until something shorts and catches fire and you die warm
2018-12-29T18:47:41 < bitmask> worth it
2018-12-29T18:47:51 < marble_visions> aandrew: bad marketing.. should read "keeps you warm.. and that's the least it could do!"
2018-12-29T18:47:51 < bitmask> as it will still be a success
2018-12-29T18:48:20 < aandrew> marble_visions: I never was very good at marketing
2018-12-29T18:48:50 < aandrew> bitmask: where did you get your heater elements from
2018-12-29T18:49:17 < bitmask> aliexpress or maybe ebay I dont remember, the same seller was on both
2018-12-29T18:49:26 < bitmask> its just 48K carbon fiber thread
2018-12-29T18:49:37 < aandrew> oh really. interesting
2018-12-29T18:49:51 < bitmask> that I set in silicone
2018-12-29T18:49:56 < bitmask> with a mold I 3d printed
2018-12-29T18:50:18 < bitmask> used silver conductive glue to connect wire to it
2018-12-29T18:54:45 < Thorn> XXI century tech
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2018-12-29T19:32:15 <@englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZHa7ZC6Z0
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2018-12-29T20:11:36 < Steffanx> Sounds of the milleniap
2018-12-29T20:11:38 < Steffanx> L
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2018-12-29T21:28:18 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/aBkb9rv.jpg
2018-12-29T21:28:19 < bitmask> I hope people don't think its a bomb :P
2018-12-29T21:30:19 < Steffanx> lol, people will :P
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2018-12-29T21:39:24 < emeryth> should have used TECs so you have cooling in summer
2018-12-29T21:39:56 < bitmask> I dont think I want to wear a hoodie in the summer
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2018-12-29T22:09:28 < karlp> are those 18650s?
2018-12-29T22:09:33 < karlp> sure  you got enough?!
2018-12-29T22:10:25 < karlp> and what's that ball thing on the floor beside your bed?
2018-12-29T22:12:40 < karlp> mawk: icelanders regularly stop conversations to argue / debate how certain words should be declined.
2018-12-29T22:12:43 < karlp> it's absurd.
2018-12-29T22:15:28 < karlp> Thorn: nice "readme" in your usb repo, why did you delete it all?
2018-12-29T22:17:40 < Thorn> bitmask: I would
2018-12-29T22:17:51 < Thorn> (think it's a bomb)
2018-12-29T22:18:12 < bitmask> hah
2018-12-29T22:18:47 < bitmask> yes they are 18650s, no I don't think I have enough but it will do for now, the ball thing is an essential oil diffuser thing
2018-12-29T22:21:31 < Thorn> karlp: I hope there's no private info in it :/
2018-12-29T22:21:51 < mawk> that sounds sane karlp 
2018-12-29T22:21:56 < mawk> everybody should agree on the same terms
2018-12-29T22:37:43 < Steffanx> Yeah, lets first argue about how to argue.
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2018-12-29T23:13:18 < kOStiX> Any of you guys have good experience with the stm32F7 or H7 microcontrollers cache stuff?
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2018-12-29T23:24:25 < aandrew> kOStiX: I have designed with F7 and H7; what is your question?
2018-12-29T23:24:56 < aandrew> (generally speaking, don't ask if anyone has experience in x y z, just ask. oftentimes the question doesn't specifically relate to what you're asking about the experience)
2018-12-29T23:27:36 < kOStiX> agreed hehe 
2018-12-29T23:38:16 < kOStiX> Im working on a project with an stm32h753.. i have four 0.96" oleds hooked up to it driven by SPI DMA, triggered from a timer interrupt at steady intervals. After writing my data to the oled buffers (global arrays), I do an SCB_CleanDCache_by_Addr() for each of the buffers and all is working wonderfully. Then later on i added a couple of analog muxes (4051) to read some potentiometers with the 
2018-12-29T23:38:17 < kOStiX> ADC1 of the stm, using polling for waiting for the adc to be ready, the procedure is simple, select mux channel, do a conversion, store in global "knob[]" array, in loop all of the 16 mux inputs. The issue im having is that for some reason the value of the knob index 0 (knob[0]), is also getting stored in knob[2].. and the value in knob[1] is also reflected in knob[3], further on the fourth 
2018-12-29T23:38:17 < kOStiX> potentiometer isnt getting stored in the array, the fith knob gets stored in knob[4] and knob[5] - the order is all broken further on. I have been trying all kinds of stuff over the last 3 days.. cleaning/invalidating the cache of the knob buffers, setting up MPU for the knobs and the oleds.. so far nothing has resolved the issue. With the I and D caches disabled the adc reading and buffer 
2018-12-29T23:38:17 < kOStiX> storing is working ok, but the performance drop is a no go for me.. so i was wondering what direction i should look into further on
2018-12-29T23:39:20 < aandrew> this sounds more like pointer math being wrong
2018-12-29T23:39:39 < aandrew> what is the storage type for knob[] and how are you indexing it in the ADC polling routine
2018-12-29T23:39:58 < aandrew> I mean you can disable dcache to test and see, but it doesn't sound like cache
2018-12-29T23:40:09 < kOStiX> knob is a global uint16_t array
2018-12-29T23:40:24 < kOStiX> without cache enabled it all works fine
2018-12-29T23:40:33 < aandrew> balls, so much for me being a hero. lol
2018-12-29T23:40:34 < kOStiX> thats the thing
2018-12-29T23:40:49 < kOStiX> i spent 2 days before i found that out, lol
2018-12-29T23:41:09 < kOStiX> tried all kinds of stuff which was just breaking the already working stuff (without cache) hehe
2018-12-29T23:41:32 < zyp> this doesn't sound like cache to me either
2018-12-29T23:41:48 < aandrew> tell me; if you only ever read from ADC channel 1 (or watever your first one is) and don't adjust the pot, do all the values in the array look right?
2018-12-29T23:42:41 < aandrew> if you have the ability, set a data write breakpoint on one of the knob values and make sure that when the interrupt fires it's writing to the one you expected it to write to
2018-12-29T23:42:49 < kOStiX> for(k = 1; k < 16; k++) { HAL_ADC_Start(&AdcHandle); HAL_ADC_PollForConversion(&AdcHandle, 1); knob[k] = HAL_ADC_GetValue(&AdcHandle); HAL_ADC_Stop(&AdcHandle); }
2018-12-29T23:42:57 < aandrew> what does the ADC code look like? I'm almost smelling a volatile problem
2018-12-29T23:44:00 < kOStiX> ok ill fix the k at 0
2018-12-29T23:44:03 < aandrew> is a value of '1' for pollforconversion() actually waiting long enough? are you checking for return codes?
2018-12-29T23:44:58 < kOStiX> the pollforconversion waits itself within its fucntion, so there is no need to wait outside of it
2018-12-29T23:45:10 < kOStiX> while (HAL_IS_BIT_CLR(hadc->Instance->ISR, tmp_Flag_EOC))   <-- this is inside of pollforconversion
2018-12-29T23:45:11 < aandrew> no, pollforconversion waits the specified amount of itme
2018-12-29T23:45:23 < kOStiX> ah
2018-12-29T23:45:29 < aandrew> and bombs out if it didn't complete within the specified time value (which you've set to 1)
2018-12-29T23:45:38 < kOStiX> well, if it works fine without the cache enabled, i would assume that it works :)
2018-12-29T23:45:49 < aandrew> no, code runs much slower with cache disabled
2018-12-29T23:46:01 < kOStiX> ah
2018-12-29T23:46:13 < zyp> sounds like aandrew is onto something
2018-12-29T23:46:15 < aandrew> if you're not checking for HAL_OK from pollforconversion god only knows what you actually got
2018-12-29T23:46:35 < kOStiX> ok so i'll drop the pollforconversion into a condfitional while
2018-12-29T23:46:38 < kOStiX> lets see
2018-12-29T23:46:45 < aandrew> well do that and check for the return code
2018-12-29T23:46:50 < kOStiX> yes
2018-12-29T23:46:55 < aandrew> and if you notice you're getting errors, increase that '1' to something more reasonable
2018-12-29T23:46:57 < zyp> why add a loop when you can just increase the timeout value?
2018-12-29T23:47:02 < kOStiX> ill make it so that while doesnt finish unless hall_o
2018-12-29T23:47:03 < kOStiX> k
2018-12-29T23:47:08 < aandrew> no
2018-12-29T23:47:16 < kOStiX> i tried with the timeout values too
2018-12-29T23:47:19 < kOStiX> no go
2018-12-29T23:47:37 < zyp> tried what values exactly?
2018-12-29T23:47:54 < kOStiX> 10, 100
2018-12-29T23:47:55 < aandrew> for (k=1; k<16; k++) { start(); if (pollforconversion() == HAL_OK) { knob[k] = getvalue() } stop(); }
2018-12-29T23:48:03 < kOStiX> no way my conversion is taking that much
2018-12-29T23:48:18 < zyp> no way cache will change timing that much either
2018-12-29T23:48:30 < aandrew> waht I'd also do is this
2018-12-29T23:48:52 < kOStiX> while(HAL_ADC_PollForConversion(&AdcHandle, 1) != HAL_OK) continue;
2018-12-29T23:48:57 < kOStiX> adcvalnew[i] = HAL_ADC_GetValue(&AdcHandle);
2018-12-29T23:48:58 < kOStiX> i did this
2018-12-29T23:49:00 < aandrew> memset(knob, 0xaa, sizeof(knob)); for (k=1; k<16; k++) { start(); if (pollforconversion() == HAL_OK) { knob[k] = getvalue() } stop(); }
2018-12-29T23:49:33 < zyp> but still, polled ADC involves cpu only, no DMA, so it shouldn't lead to any coherency issues
2018-12-29T23:49:36 < kOStiX> no change with this last stuff
2018-12-29T23:49:52 < kOStiX> i tried interrupt adc also, it gave me the same results basically
2018-12-29T23:50:07 < aandrew> zyp: yes, but if he's got a too-short timeout he won't be getting correct results from getvalue()
2018-12-29T23:50:15 < zyp> true
2018-12-29T23:50:23 < zyp> by the way, where do you select channel?
2018-12-29T23:50:32 < aandrew> I assume he left that out but that's also a big part
2018-12-29T23:50:47 < kOStiX> select channel just before starting the adc conversion (tried with some delays also so that the mux settles)
2018-12-29T23:50:47 < aandrew> because choosing a channel takes time (and your extenral parts may take time to settle on the new value as well)
2018-12-29T23:51:02 < kOStiX> yeah i took that in mind
2018-12-29T23:51:12 < kOStiX> issues seems to be not there
2018-12-29T23:51:23 < zyp> bugs in the channel selection sounds like the most likely culprit to e
2018-12-29T23:51:24 < zyp> me
2018-12-29T23:51:34 < aandrew> that is a common issue
2018-12-29T23:51:41 < kOStiX> well, it works without cache and on numerous other projects ive done hehe
2018-12-29T23:51:54 < kOStiX> the chan selection i mean
2018-12-29T23:52:12 < zyp> well, so you claim
2018-12-29T23:52:15 < kOStiX> its just dumb addressing of the muxes, and i did account for some delays between the selection and the reading
2018-12-29T23:52:40 < kOStiX> well i mean it does work as i need it with the cache disabled hehe
2018-12-29T23:53:03 < zyp> are you 100% certain in that diagnosis? :p
2018-12-29T23:53:10 < kOStiX> yeah
2018-12-29T23:53:27 < kOStiX> ive been coding for years hehe
2018-12-29T23:53:32 < zyp> that'd explain why you're not finding a bug in your channel selection, you're not looking for it :p
2018-12-29T23:53:35 < kOStiX> building stuff with muxes and adcs
2018-12-29T23:54:12 < kOStiX> haha, i believe there is no bug in channel selection
2018-12-29T23:54:18 < kOStiX> its very straightforward
2018-12-29T23:55:29 < zyp> well, I'm not saying there is, I'm just telling you not to rule it out
2018-12-29T23:55:53 < kOStiX> for sure, i take all advice!
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2018-12-29T23:56:56 < zyp> unless you have peripheral registers configured as a cacheable area, I don't believe this can be a coherency issue
2018-12-29T23:57:20 < zyp> cpu should always have a correct view of memory it accesses alone
2018-12-29T23:57:31 < kOStiX> https://pastebin.com/j2kqGRT6
2018-12-29T23:57:33 < kOStiX> this is chan selec
2018-12-29T23:57:34 < kOStiX> t
2018-12-29T23:58:02 < aandrew> exactly. you're not using DMA so there's little that cache would impact. 
2018-12-29T23:58:02 < zyp> if it's still cache related in that case, it's possible it's a timing issue like aandrew suggested
2018-12-29T23:58:12 < kOStiX> no i dont think i setup anything cache related to peripherals
2018-12-29T23:58:29 < zyp> but that shouldn't really surface unless you have any race conditions or anything
2018-12-29T23:58:31 < kOStiX> well the oleds are on DMA, and it does impact there
2018-12-29T23:58:47 < aandrew> yes but it's reading from memory, not writing
2018-12-29T23:59:10 < kOStiX> its also writing, i mean whatever im displaying on the oleds, im writing to the buffers
2018-12-29T23:59:20 < kOStiX> or u mean the dma..
2018-12-29T23:59:22 < aandrew> you're DMAing the display data to the display buffers?
2018-12-29T23:59:25 < specing> Is it just me or is the ADC configuration documentation plain WTF?
2018-12-29T23:59:41 < aandrew> specing: s/ADC configuration/HAL//
2018-12-29T23:59:45 < kOStiX> no, yea ur right, im writing the data without dma, and dma is throwing the data to spi
2018-12-29T23:59:51 < specing> aandrew: ?
2018-12-29T23:59:56 < specing> aandrew: I don't use any HAL
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2018-12-30T00:00:13 < aandrew> specing: ah you're talking about the device PDFs
2018-12-30T00:00:23 < specing> yes, RM0091 to be precise
2018-12-30T00:00:37 < zyp> specing, what's wrong with it?
2018-12-30T00:00:48 < zyp> kOStiX, that function is kinda wtf :p
2018-12-30T00:01:09 < kOStiX> it works man :)
2018-12-30T00:01:55 < specing> "clear ADRDY by setting it to 1, set ADEN=1, wait until ADRDY=1 and then continue to write ADEN=1, then wait until ADRDY=1"
2018-12-30T00:02:19 < specing> page 231
2018-12-30T00:03:44 < zyp> kOStiX, you're welcome: https://pastebin.com/SHJk1a8A
2018-12-30T00:04:06 < kOStiX> haha cool
2018-12-30T00:04:11 < kOStiX> i never got used to that notation
2018-12-30T00:04:41 < zyp> if those are bools, you don't even need the ternary stuff
2018-12-30T00:04:56 < kOStiX> yea i see
2018-12-30T00:05:20 < kOStiX> i usually code as comprehensive as i can so that its quick for me myself to work on while developing
2018-12-30T00:07:41 < kOStiX> damn issue been driving me mad
2018-12-30T00:07:42 < aandrew> kOStiX: what works?
2018-12-30T00:07:51 < kOStiX> the channel selection
2018-12-30T00:07:57 < kOStiX> func hehe
2018-12-30T00:08:25 < aandrew> I have run across ternary order of operations causing me grief
2018-12-30T00:08:52 < specing> kOStiX, zyp : when doing C I have functions is_bit_set(), clear_bit(), set_bit() all taking address and bit position
2018-12-30T00:08:56 < specing> makes code much more readable
2018-12-30T00:08:59 < aandrew> foo = bar & 0x3 ? 123 : 456; type of thing where foo was always getting 123 or someshit (don't remember now)
2018-12-30T00:09:20 < kOStiX> yeah 
2018-12-30T00:09:28 < kOStiX> i try to write it as simple as possible
2018-12-30T00:10:11 < kOStiX> thing is that i never had any of these issues on F4 or F1
2018-12-30T00:10:35 < zyp> simple to me means less code to read and maintain
2018-12-30T00:10:45 < kOStiX> so after the days of trying different stuff, it seemed like the cache is screwing up the data in the knob buffer or the pointer, i dunno
2018-12-30T00:10:57 < zyp> not a long chain of if statements
2018-12-30T00:11:06 < kOStiX> sure man, its just what im used to myself
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2018-12-30T00:11:29 < kOStiX> i never studied any programming hehe, and been doing other kinds of work as well
2018-12-30T00:12:56 < zyp> specing, I'm inclined to disagree
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2018-12-30T00:20:49 < zyp> specing, I'd argue that common patterns like (1 << n) and bitwise ops are easily recognizable and reads just fine when you're used to seeing them
2018-12-30T00:21:12 < kOStiX> or just raw hex :)
2018-12-30T00:21:28 < zyp> IMO your functions doesn't add much value, just a bunch of ambiguity and problems
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2018-12-30T00:22:19 < specing> yes because us humans love staring at cryptic operator sequences all day
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2018-12-30T00:22:20 < zyp> the latter two are RMW operations, which may be unsafe to use on peripheral registers
2018-12-30T00:22:35 < zyp> well
2018-12-30T00:22:46 < zyp> do you also do add(a, b) rather than a + b?
2018-12-30T00:22:56 < specing> no, because that is not cryptic
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2018-12-30T00:23:18 < zyp> neither is x |= 1 << n;
2018-12-30T00:23:46 < specing> it is
2018-12-30T00:23:54 < specing> even more the bit clear one
2018-12-30T00:23:58 < zyp> who gets to decide that?
2018-12-30T00:24:10 < kOStiX> i thinks all up to everyone hehe
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2018-12-30T00:24:25 < kOStiX> just what we got used to look at comfortably
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2018-12-30T00:24:46 < zyp> kOStiX, exactly
2018-12-30T00:25:16 < zyp> bitshifts and bitwise ops are not cryptic when you use them daily
2018-12-30T00:25:18 < kOStiX> some compilers would make the code actually jump in case of a func call, and others might implement it inline
2018-12-30T00:25:35 < kOStiX> might depend also on many of these little factors
2018-12-30T00:26:14 < kOStiX> as in, how well do we know what the compiler is doing, and how much do you or the application cares for the most optimal execution, etc
2018-12-30T00:26:34 < zyp> eh, I'd expect a decent compiler to fold both the function call and the pointer ref/deref, so that's the least problem of doing it like that, I'd say
2018-12-30T00:26:42 < zyp> I'd be more worried about datatypes
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2018-12-30T00:29:31 < kOStiX> https://imgur.com/a/6sOJTTq
2018-12-30T00:29:33 < kOStiX> im working on this
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2018-12-30T00:33:44 < kOStiX> gonna be a digital audio mixer
2018-12-30T00:34:32 < kOStiX> nope, the stm32h753
2018-12-30T00:35:05 < kOStiX> and couple of high quality 4 channel adcs and an 8 channel dac
2018-12-30T00:36:20 < kOStiX> ADAU1979
2018-12-30T00:38:14 < kOStiX> yeah they sound pretty good
2018-12-30T00:38:23 < kOStiX> and can go without input filter
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2018-12-30T00:38:32 < kOStiX> https://imgur.com/a/V6avV9f
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2018-12-30T00:41:22 < kOStiX> https://imgur.com/a/kcldZz6
2018-12-30T00:41:34 < kOStiX> its a 4 board system hehe, was such a hell to route
2018-12-30T00:43:38 < kOStiX> wha tyou mean?
2018-12-30T00:45:16 < kOStiX> ah
2018-12-30T00:45:34 < kOStiX> i dont recall what clock source im using for the audio
2018-12-30T00:45:57 < kOStiX> but yea the stm is the master clock generator
2018-12-30T00:47:03 < kOStiX>   PeriphClkInitStruct.Sai1ClockSelection = RCC_SAI1CLKSOURCE_PLL2;
2018-12-30T00:47:03 < kOStiX>   PeriphClkInitStruct.Sai23ClockSelection = RCC_SAI23CLKSOURCE_PLL2;
2018-12-30T00:47:10 < kOStiX> PLL2 :)
2018-12-30T00:50:53 < kOStiX> its for the synths, for the eurorack format
2018-12-30T00:51:15 < kOStiX> i should cram some FX on the master on it hehe
2018-12-30T00:51:25 < kOStiX> every channel will have a parametric 3 band equalizer
2018-12-30T00:52:03 < kOStiX> there is a master stereo out, anotehr aux stereo out and monitor stereo out for the headphone, with headphone amp integrated
2018-12-30T00:52:29 < kOStiX> hopefuly the H7 will handle the load of all the mixers hehe, so its all gotta be as optimized as possible
2018-12-30T00:54:17 < kOStiX> but i think it should
2018-12-30T00:54:55 < Steffanx> Can someone call a news paper? Crt has never been more "ontopic" LOLOL.
2018-12-30T00:55:41 < kOStiX> i already had the 3 band equalizers on every channel, so that 24 fourth order biquad filters, plus 4 biquad filters for 4 graphic vu meters and a master FX, and with all the optimizations enabled and cache enabled it was eating up around half of the processing power at 48khz audio processing the 8 channels
2018-12-30T00:56:07 < Steffanx> Ask crt about his invention. The PULL filter
2018-12-30T00:56:33 < kOStiX> haha
2018-12-30T00:57:38 < kOStiX> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-dyZW638TU
2018-12-30T00:57:48 < kOStiX> some music i been doing on my synths
2018-12-30T01:04:14 < kOStiX> iar ewarm hehe
2018-12-30T01:05:15 < Steffanx> Whoa, those people exist?!
2018-12-30T01:05:22 < Steffanx> In the wils.
2018-12-30T01:05:24 < Steffanx> Wild.
2018-12-30T01:05:27 < kOStiX> lol
2018-12-30T01:05:58 < kOStiX> i just kept with iar since when i started using stms
2018-12-30T01:06:03 < kOStiX> 2010 or something
2018-12-30T01:07:01 < kOStiX> i dunno
2018-12-30T01:07:15 < kOStiX> one fine day ill buy it hahah
2018-12-30T01:07:33 < kOStiX> or not
2018-12-30T01:08:08 < kOStiX> yeah if all the electronics im doing would go into a more serious amounts business
2018-12-30T01:08:30 < zyp> Steffanx, the embedded company that were across the hallway from my old company were also into IAR
2018-12-30T01:08:43 < kOStiX> yeah
2018-12-30T01:09:04 < kOStiX> i hate the new iar ide interface tho
2018-12-30T01:09:11 < kOStiX> the 8.3 or dunno which one is it
2018-12-30T01:09:23 < kOStiX> slow interface
2018-12-30T01:09:36 < kOStiX> but there is no H7 support on the older 7.x version
2018-12-30T01:09:47 < kOStiX> this is my drawback
2018-12-30T01:09:50 < kOStiX> mainly
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2018-12-30T01:15:59 < kOStiX> lol 
2018-12-30T01:16:28 < kOStiX> i guess there should be some way of integrating the H7 stuff into the previous one
2018-12-30T01:16:37 < kOStiX> add some files or something haha
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2018-12-30T01:35:59 < kOStiX> apparently it is possible to integrate the h7 into older iar.. just copied a bunch of files related to h7 from iar 8.1 and now h7 devices are selectable in the project of the 7.8, gotta try remake a project in there and see if it works
2018-12-30T01:59:50 < kakimir> hello evenings
2018-12-30T02:21:03 < Steffanx> magic.
2018-12-30T02:23:10 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opvopULDhVI kaki qualitymusics
2018-12-30T02:25:19 < kakimir> no
2018-12-30T02:25:56 < kakimir> I just handpicked it
2018-12-30T02:27:04 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tqEzVcbjtiSUxig2Q_GZUG2a1WtvukkD/view?usp=sharing I got it pretty good with pressure steam washer
2018-12-30T02:32:11 < kakimir> rost there is only thing that tells that this engine has had water in it
2018-12-30T02:32:38 < kakimir> now every piston has working rings
2018-12-30T02:41:36 < kakimir> compression test tommorow
2018-12-30T02:45:06 < tjq> is that your tractor 
2018-12-30T02:45:31 < kakimir> please
2018-12-30T02:45:44 < kakimir> tractor has cylinders size of buckets
2018-12-30T02:49:43 < tjq> that's fantastic
2018-12-30T02:50:21 < Steffanx> very great cool
2018-12-30T03:01:14 < tjq> vgc is not registered.
2018-12-30T03:11:36 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i0acRamgvTuTExXqt_i2hkFA8CJ70cV6/view?usp=sharing valves
2018-12-30T03:13:57 < tjq> what happened to the engine kakimir 
2018-12-30T03:14:03 < tjq> do you know?
2018-12-30T03:14:30 < kakimir> this one has waterdamage
2018-12-30T03:14:49 < tjq> flood?
2018-12-30T03:15:05 < kakimir> mis-storage
2018-12-30T03:15:08 < kakimir> is it a word
2018-12-30T03:15:22 < kakimir> so what we call "kuusen alla"
2018-12-30T03:15:50 < kakimir> "under the spruce"
2018-12-30T03:16:32 < kakimir> so rainwater slowly went thru the engine and seized piston rings and it doesn't have compression
2018-12-30T03:16:55 < kakimir> also valves need some work
2018-12-30T03:17:21 < tjq> most people would have burned the vehicle and claimed it under fire & theft cover
2018-12-30T03:17:49 < kakimir> another engine I have has thing where pistons and valves gave high fives to each other
2018-12-30T03:17:58 < kakimir> very same enginetype
2018-12-30T03:18:07 < tjq> that's the end of the engine when that happens right?
2018-12-30T03:18:15 < kakimir> yes
2018-12-30T03:18:20 < kakimir> took piston rings out of it
2018-12-30T03:18:35 < kakimir> pistons are intact but for sure bent
2018-12-30T03:18:42 < tjq> the salvage operation 
2018-12-30T03:19:07 < tjq> pity you can't do that with transistors, you know... with holes in them
2018-12-30T03:19:07 < kakimir> and valves are permanently open
2018-12-30T03:19:25 < Steffanx> Why didnt you store the engine under your bed?
2018-12-30T03:19:27 < kakimir> you can refine it into base materials
2018-12-30T03:19:32 < tjq> lol steffan
2018-12-30T03:19:42 < kakimir> Steffanx: I have my tig welding machine there already
2018-12-30T03:20:11 < tjq> I keep a box of stroopwafels under my bed
2018-12-30T03:20:13 < Steffanx> What will you do about it?
2018-12-30T03:20:13 < kakimir> besides I bought the engine with it's water damage condition
2018-12-30T03:20:59 < tjq> Steffanx: will the people's champion be returning any time soon?
2018-12-30T03:21:13 < Steffanx> The who?
2018-12-30T03:21:17 < tjq> tectu
2018-12-30T03:21:32 < Steffanx> Idk
2018-12-30T03:21:33 < kakimir> in sale announce it had the engine with half of the sled under a tree in snow
2018-12-30T03:21:49 < tjq> tell him fleck is no longer here
2018-12-30T03:22:30 < Steffanx> Is the new johnny english movie any good?
2018-12-30T03:23:55 < tjq> I wanted to see a movie 2 days ago
2018-12-30T03:24:37 < Steffanx> But?
2018-12-30T03:24:56 < tjq> friend wasn't keen
2018-12-30T03:25:13 < tjq> so he decided we should drink alcohol
2018-12-30T03:25:29 < tjq> turned out to be a very boring day
2018-12-30T03:27:05 < Steffanx> Explains a lot
2018-12-30T03:27:13 < tjq> babel will teach me chinese
2018-12-30T03:28:21 < Steffanx> Ni hao
2018-12-30T03:38:17 < tjq> yeah
2018-12-30T03:38:21 < tjq> g'day cunts
2018-12-30T03:42:06 < tjq> meow
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2018-12-30T04:07:14 < kakimir> I will go to china soon
2018-12-30T04:13:27 < specing> yeehao!
2018-12-30T04:18:50 < Steffanx> Bye kakimir
2018-12-30T04:20:30 < kakimir> not now Steffanx 
2018-12-30T04:20:46 < Steffanx> :P
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2018-12-30T05:08:09 < antto> kakimir cheng
2018-12-30T05:12:16 < tjq> what is cheng
2018-12-30T05:13:41 < antto> the last name that will be printed on kakimir's chinese ID card
2018-12-30T05:14:04 < antto> kakimir u will b assimilated
2018-12-30T05:14:14 < tjq> is that good?
2018-12-30T05:14:54 < antto> when he goes there, he'll hit them hard, like a water drop in teh ocean
2018-12-30T05:16:19 < tjq> who else is going?
2018-12-30T05:17:08 < antto> *shrug*
2018-12-30T05:17:32 < antto> i'm certainly not going there around asia
2018-12-30T05:17:44 < antto> i know they got these huge-a$$ wasps
2018-12-30T05:18:16 < antto> or were they hornets
2018-12-30T05:18:35 < antto> <nope.gif>
2018-12-30T05:20:36 < tjq> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.asian.american/eAjh1Z6yziM
2018-12-30T05:29:11 < antto> dafuq is this?
2018-12-30T05:31:05 < tjq> the result of typing stuff into google, it would seem
2018-12-30T05:35:44 < tjq> lol
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2018-12-30T07:34:59 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-30_06-34-37_OjrCqrkJT.jpg the stm32 text on the bluepill is supposed to be centered not aligned to top, poor fake stm32
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2018-12-30T07:40:41 < tjq> fake stm32 exist?
2018-12-30T07:40:52 < rajkosto> no idea but it died real quick on the one i had
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2018-12-30T08:16:56 < kOStiX> i had some weird experiences with some stm32f103 from ebay
2018-12-30T08:17:10 < kOStiX> which solved by using mouser chips
2018-12-30T08:29:36 < tjq> yeah
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2018-12-30T10:48:32 < jpa-> kOStiX: were they plain chips, or those stm32f103 bluepill boards? they often have silly wrong component values etc.
2018-12-30T10:49:54 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2018-12-17_13-12-07_NNaEOMyoL.jpg pretty sure the text is supposed to be center v-aligned, not top v-aligned
2018-12-30T10:49:59 < rajkosto> oh the bluepill board itself is bad components ?
2018-12-30T10:50:13 < jpa-> atleast the usb pull-ups tend to be quite random on them
2018-12-30T10:50:27 < jpa-> and crystal caps, or lack of them also
2018-12-30T10:50:44 < rajkosto> well none of that would cause the chip to short its vcc to gnd
2018-12-30T10:50:51 < jpa-> yeah
2018-12-30T11:03:32 < dongs> rajkosto: cpu is gone
2018-12-30T11:03:40 < dongs> ESD or reverse polarity does that to stm
2018-12-30T11:03:45 < dongs> replace it or toss the board.
2018-12-30T11:04:17 < rajkosto> kpob
2018-12-30T11:04:22 < rajkosto> job's gone
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2018-12-30T11:53:19 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPkfCK7x7TU
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2018-12-30T12:30:05 < Thorn> live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgueBn9TF18
2018-12-30T12:48:39 < Steffanx> Why russians talk so fast
2018-12-30T12:53:08 < Thorn> >ardweeno https://github.com/arduino-libraries/ArduinoHttpClient/pull/49
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2018-12-30T13:43:51 < Steffanx> Lol open sores rager alert.
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2018-12-30T14:26:39 < Steffanx> Where is crt
2018-12-30T14:27:15 < jpa-> i replaced him with oled
2018-12-30T14:36:20 < Steffanx> hm
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2018-12-30T14:58:55 < specing> Interesting: stm code examples for usart string transmit use the TC (transmission complete) instead of the TXE (transmission (buffer) register empty)
2018-12-30T14:59:01 < specing> flag
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2018-12-30T15:25:47 < zyp> use for what? they have different purposes
2018-12-30T15:26:35 < zyp> you'd use TXE for flow control, it tells you when you can feed more data into the transmit register
2018-12-30T15:27:03 < zyp> and then you'd use TC if you need to know when a byte has finished transferring
2018-12-30T15:27:34 < zyp> e.g. if you're manually controlling the DE signal of a RS485 transceiver
2018-12-30T15:32:24 < Thorn> yeah I think I've seen them wait for TC before writing the next byte into the uart which is rather retarded
2018-12-30T15:33:15 < Thorn> (pro tip: use the flag that generates the DMA request in the same direction)
2018-12-30T15:35:12 < Thorn> Dutchland https://www.instagram.com/p/BsAho_Nlk0S/
2018-12-30T15:35:12 < zyp> DMA requests don't have directions, DMA jobs have
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2018-12-30T15:36:10 < Steffanx> Such shopped photo Thorn
2018-12-30T15:36:41 < specing> zyp: exactly, using TXE means you can transmit without interruptions on the line (i.e. at maximum speed)
2018-12-30T15:37:31 < zyp> if your software latency is close to zero, you could do the same with TC too though
2018-12-30T15:38:11 < specing> zyp: if I'll need more perf I'd use DMA, but for now a TXE interrupt ring buffer will do
2018-12-30T15:38:46 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/pAepBMv.gifv
2018-12-30T15:41:58  * specing points to channel name
2018-12-30T15:43:24 < dongs> hy specing if you gonna gatekeep you should probly try other channels or lurk moar in here first
2018-12-30T15:43:42 < Steffanx> He has been lurking here for years probably.
2018-12-30T15:45:25 < specing> Steffanx: no, for 1-2 weeks
2018-12-30T15:45:34 < Steffanx> hmm, i swear i've seen you here before.
2018-12-30T15:45:40 < dongs> i havent
2018-12-30T15:45:58 < specing> dongs: just because you have been using ##stm32 as your toilet for all these years does not mean it is okay to do so
2018-12-30T15:46:21 < Steffanx> Anyway, is wireshark doing weird things or do i miss something? https://imgur.com/a/AMzFs9c set report request, reponse and then set configuration status?
2018-12-30T15:46:24 < dongs> holy shit what kingdom do you belong to, mr white knight
2018-12-30T15:46:26 < Steffanx> I should probably dig into usb more.
2018-12-30T15:47:08 < specing> Steffanx: I was in electronics for a long time, but I was detached for 99.999% of it. The reason is that ##electronics is as toxic of an atmosphere as here (same offenders, really) and it is hard to get much help.
2018-12-30T15:49:07 < jadew> specing, are you upset that not everyone is catering to your needs?
2018-12-30T15:49:38 < jadew> we're not here to help you, we're here to help each other and in the process we become friends
2018-12-30T15:49:43 < jadew> friends talk other crap too
2018-12-30T15:49:56 < jadew> if you're not happy with this, perhaps you should hire someone?
2018-12-30T15:50:04 < Getty> Alone finding in electronics someone who does the same stuff as you do, is a mission for itself ;-)
2018-12-30T15:51:16 < Steffanx> " in the process we become friends" .. 7.5 years and counting... :P
2018-12-30T15:51:25 < Getty> lol
2018-12-30T15:51:51 < specing> Getty: even harder when the channels are filled with offtopic
2018-12-30T15:52:18 < specing> jadew: why don't you move offtopic to ##ee-offtopic or ##ee-social or something?
2018-12-30T15:52:25 < Getty> specing: No, actually if you block out offtopic, then you have less people actively watching the channel and so you get less professional feedback
2018-12-30T15:52:31 < jadew> because I like the people here
2018-12-30T15:52:49 < Getty> specing: actually happened for example to the #linode channel, they enforced ontopic, and since then the channel is pretty much dead and all professionals went away
2018-12-30T15:53:09 < specing> Getty: you get less professional feedback as the professional has to go through 1000+ lines of offtopic to see your help post
2018-12-30T15:53:29 < Getty> specing: that is not what is happening in reality
2018-12-30T15:53:51 < Getty> specing: professionals particiate cause they enjoy it, so they do read more and also: we know each other better cause everybody talks all the time
2018-12-30T15:54:04 < Getty> so if a topic comes up where X knows stuff about, people point you to him, cause they know him
2018-12-30T15:54:19 < Getty> if there is no offtopic talk or animation to increase communication, then we dont know each other
2018-12-30T15:54:51 < Getty> seriously: offtopic denial is the death of any IRC channel.
2018-12-30T15:54:52 < dongs> jesus fuck specing
2018-12-30T15:54:55 < dongs> you want professional feedback
2018-12-30T15:54:57 < dongs> sign up on linkedin or somethign
2018-12-30T15:55:01 < dongs> this is irc
2018-12-30T15:55:03 < Getty> hahaha
2018-12-30T15:55:16 < Getty> do(n)gs: all good we handle that :D
2018-12-30T15:55:18 < dongs> i've got tons of help here by not being a fucking cock
2018-12-30T15:56:00 < Steffanx> Wut? 
2018-12-30T15:56:12 < Thorn> there is an extra word in there
2018-12-30T15:56:16 < Thorn> "not"
2018-12-30T15:56:25 < jadew> haha
2018-12-30T15:57:31 < Steffanx> Anyway, you guys covered up my question with all this talk. Fuck you guy
2018-12-30T15:57:34 < Steffanx> s
2018-12-30T15:57:58 < Getty> as if anyone ever answers your questions
2018-12-30T15:58:03 < dongs> zyp will
2018-12-30T15:58:10 < karlp> don't know hid,
2018-12-30T15:58:16 < karlp> is that first three after connect?
2018-12-30T15:58:31 < karlp> doesn't _seem_ what I'd expect, but never looked at hid plugins
2018-12-30T15:58:36 < Steffanx> No, its far later in the process. When the application does some requests
2018-12-30T15:58:41 < Steffanx> *much later
2018-12-30T15:59:01 < Steffanx> Its all fine and dandy until some set reqorts come in.
2018-12-30T15:59:32 < Thorn> what does "status" mean in there
2018-12-30T15:59:47 < Thorn> is it a HID term?
2018-12-30T16:00:56 < Thorn> these are os i/o requests, not actual usb transactions?
2018-12-30T16:01:10 < Steffanx> No its the status stage of a control transfer.
2018-12-30T16:01:14 < zyp> dongs, ok
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2018-12-30T16:02:47 < zyp> Steffanx, doesn't make much sense to me
2018-12-30T16:03:05 < zyp> how does it look before that?
2018-12-30T16:03:19 < Thorn> who initiated it then
2018-12-30T16:04:08 < Thorn> and why isn't the corresponding request in the log
2018-12-30T16:04:41 < zyp> Thorn, because it's not what wireshark says what it is
2018-12-30T16:04:47 < zyp> (I assume)
2018-12-30T16:05:09 < zyp> timestamps for 146 and 147 are identical, there's no room for a request in between there
2018-12-30T16:07:22 < Steffanx> loosk fine to me, zyp https://imgur.com/a/Owat061 
2018-12-30T16:07:50 < Steffanx> (red line is when the application starts to send set report requests)
2018-12-30T16:08:32 < zyp> hmm, it happens after every set report response
2018-12-30T16:08:57 < Steffanx> Yes.
2018-12-30T16:09:06 < zyp> I assume it's some sort of artifact, perhaps the same packed being processed twice every time
2018-12-30T16:09:35 < zyp> so it's either wireshark or usbmon fucking up, I guess
2018-12-30T16:10:56 < Steffanx> Shouldnt it be "SET_REPORT Status"? 
2018-12-30T16:11:09 < Steffanx> And it being mislabled by wireshark?
2018-12-30T16:11:19 < Steffanx> i need proper usb debugging tools :P
2018-12-30T16:14:19 < zyp> on the bus, a SET_REPORT transaction only has three packets; the SETUP packet, an OUT packet carrying the report you're sending and an empty IN packet as a status stage
2018-12-30T16:14:36 < zyp> so response and status pretty much means the same thing :p
2018-12-30T16:15:58 < zyp> my understanding is that on the host side, each transfer regardless of type only has two events; URB submission and URB completion
2018-12-30T16:16:23 < zyp> and all the bus activity happens between those
2018-12-30T16:16:50 < zyp> so I'm guessing your wireshark is fucking up and logging URB completion twice
2018-12-30T16:16:55 < Steffanx> Excep that the actually data/packet is different. Request shows up as status, reponse as data and status as status.
2018-12-30T16:17:13 < Steffanx> sorry
2018-12-30T16:17:20 < Steffanx> Request as setup.
2018-12-30T16:17:27 < Steffanx> not status.
2018-12-30T16:17:44 < zyp> that doesn't sound right to me
2018-12-30T16:18:07 < Steffanx> It probably is. It happens everywhere. Or wireshark is fucking up.
2018-12-30T16:24:46 < Steffanx> awh, the beagle usb 12 doesnt do  full class-level decoding. only descriptors.
2018-12-30T16:25:14 < Steffanx> not going to spend +1k euro on that
2018-12-30T16:36:48 < dongs> is this code that works on some other laks-supported device?
2018-12-30T16:36:50 < dongs> but fails on your new shit?
2018-12-30T16:37:09 < dongs> or does it not work anywhere
2018-12-30T16:38:23 < Steffanx> Im not sure if it doesnt work because of this or if its unrelated and just wireshark showing weird stuff
2018-12-30T16:38:30 < Steffanx> And it does not seem to work anywhere.
2018-12-30T16:43:03 < dongs> my last experience with keil usb lib was pretty posibite :)
2018-12-30T16:43:04 < dongs> err
2018-12-30T16:43:05 < dongs> positive
2018-12-30T16:43:22 < dongs> its too abd they discontinued it all
2018-12-30T16:43:34 < dongs> these days keil is jsut a shitty IDE for clang
2018-12-30T16:43:38 < dongs> and dumb 'packs' that nobody wants
2018-12-30T16:43:49 < dongs> ozone is a better (and infinitely FASTER) debugger
2018-12-30T16:43:56 < Steffanx> Yes i like ozone.
2018-12-30T16:43:58 < dongs> and I suppose i could even edit code in some garbage like vs.edit or etc
2018-12-30T16:44:41 < Steffanx> or just keep editing in keil and use ozone
2018-12-30T16:44:48 < dongs> thats what i do now
2018-12-30T16:44:56 < dongs> because ozone does partial uploads for only changed blocks
2018-12-30T16:45:01 < dongs> instead of full-reload in keil
2018-12-30T16:45:23 < dongs> its faster to alt-tab into ozone and do stuff than wait for keil to switch to debug view
2018-12-30T16:45:27 < dongs> so, like, rip...
2018-12-30T16:46:50 < dongs> anyone got a non-retarded snippet that takes uint64 bytes and prints out KiB/MiB/GiB compactly?
2018-12-30T16:46:57 < dongs> something for like a download progress thing.
2018-12-30T16:47:15 < dongs> i mean i can write it but
2018-12-30T16:47:50 < dongs> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3758606/how-to-convert-byte-size-into-human-readable-format-in-java haha
2018-12-30T16:47:54 < dongs>  wow, thats kinda clever
2018-12-30T16:48:32 < dongs> i mean besides the gross fucking usage of log() and shit
2018-12-30T16:48:47 < Steffanx> its not gross.
2018-12-30T16:49:20 < dongs> i could probly abuse this zyp-style and do something like printf("%c", "kMGTPE"[exp]) type thing
2018-12-30T16:55:14 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/j5iWa yw
2018-12-30T16:55:30 < dongs> lel
2018-12-30T16:56:01 < dongs> its neat but loops?
2018-12-30T16:56:14 < dongs> im trying to see if I can fix that java shit not to use log() retardation
2018-12-30T16:56:30 < Steffanx> Such short loop..
2018-12-30T16:56:33 < dongs> i guess the loops is gonna be so tiny it doesnt amtter
2018-12-30T16:56:33 < dongs> yeah
2018-12-30T16:56:45 < zyp> it's max three iterations, go ahead and hand unroll it if you care that much :p
2018-12-30T16:56:59 < dongs> ill modify it for uint64 first
2018-12-30T16:57:19 < zyp> ah, missed the 64 part
2018-12-30T16:57:32 < dongs> oh, did you actually have something like that already? or you just wrote it
2018-12-30T16:57:44 < zyp> I just wrote it
2018-12-30T16:57:49 < zyp> but I missed that you said you wanted 64
2018-12-30T16:58:17 < Steffanx> What kind of pro software you write that has to transfer > 4.3GB?
2018-12-30T16:59:47 < dongs> im currently waiting gfor 24gb transfer to finish
2018-12-30T17:00:19 < dongs> and when its done ill use the thing that prints stuff to dispaly progress while it copies
2018-12-30T17:04:27 < dongs> woohoo copy done
2018-12-30T17:04:28 < dongs> lets see
2018-12-30T17:09:39 < dongs> huh zyp, i think the condition should be >= 1024
2018-12-30T17:09:43 < dongs> in y our if()
2018-12-30T17:09:57 < dongs> did ya actually test it? ;p
2018-12-30T17:12:25 < dongs> anyway working good with that fix
2018-12-30T17:12:35 < Steffanx> haha
2018-12-30T17:12:43 < dongs> tho gets kinda gay once it reaches gb since there's no float
2018-12-30T17:13:09 < dongs> but this is definitely better than nothing
2018-12-30T17:17:00 < tpw_rules> where tf do i get example code out of cube
2018-12-30T17:17:10 < tpw_rules> i can't figure out how to work an sd card on my stm32L1
2018-12-30T17:17:25 < dongs> what do you mean?
2018-12-30T17:17:39 < dongs> wghat example code?
2018-12-30T17:17:44 < tpw_rules> isn't there some somewhere?
2018-12-30T17:18:06 < dongs> check in C:\Users\<whatever>\STM32Cube\Repository
2018-12-30T17:18:11 < dongs> there's gonna be STM32Cube_Fw_whatever
2018-12-30T17:18:15 < dongs> and projects\ dir in each
2018-12-30T17:18:21 < zyp> no, I didn't test
2018-12-30T17:18:40 < zyp> I'm pretending to pack and move stuff, and slacking off
2018-12-30T17:20:02 < tpw_rules> oh ok there they are. thank you
2018-12-30T17:20:05 < dongs> 6G/24 copied
2018-12-30T17:21:00 < zyp> new house is almost done, so I've started driving shit over there now
2018-12-30T17:22:58 < dongs> cool
2018-12-30T17:23:02 < Steffanx>  yay
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2018-12-30T17:25:25 < zyp> still missing some formalities before I can actually move in there, but I wanted to get a head start
2018-12-30T17:26:21 < zyp> also still missing the internet connection over there :p
2018-12-30T17:32:58 < zyp> still got a month before I need to be out of old apartment, so I hope everything will be done in time
2018-12-30T17:37:29 < dongs> 18 G
2018-12-30T17:37:48 < dongs> tpw_rules: does L1 even have SDIO?
2018-12-30T17:37:55 < tpw_rules> yeah
2018-12-30T17:38:02 < dongs> ah i guess it does
2018-12-30T17:38:22 < dongs> https://docs.rs/stm32l1/0.4.0/stm32l1/stm32l151/struct.SDIO.html
2018-12-30T17:38:24 < dongs> you should switch to rust
2018-12-30T17:38:28 < dongs> then you don't need cube
2018-12-30T17:38:47 < tpw_rules> that might be v2 :P
2018-12-30T17:44:08 < zyp> rust seems a bit neat, but also kinda unfinished
2018-12-30T17:48:27 < dongs> http://statisticstimes.com/tech/top-computer-languages.php
2018-12-30T17:48:30 < dongs> rust can continue sucking dick tho
2018-12-30T17:48:35 < dongs> less than 1%, even worse trhan Ruby
2018-12-30T17:48:43 < dongs> like literally nobody except rust "developers" gives a fuck
2018-12-30T17:51:44 < zyp> haha
2018-12-30T17:52:54 < dongs> i think ohsix uses rust
2018-12-30T17:54:49 < Steffanx> where is ohsix ?
2018-12-30T17:55:02 < dongs> idle for over 30 days
2018-12-30T17:55:11 < dongs> last comms I had from him which i ignroed was him emailing me a pic of jlink box
2018-12-30T17:55:17 < zyp> what makes rust a bit interesting is that it's a plain compiled language, making it suitable for embedded
2018-12-30T17:55:26 < dongs> but i forget if that was a box that i sent him a bunch of shit in, or he actually bought a jlink ultra (i doubt it )
2018-12-30T17:55:35 < zyp> which means it's natural to compare it to C/C++, not a bunch of scripting languages
2018-12-30T17:55:58 < Steffanx> Visual Basic .NET yay
2018-12-30T17:56:13 < zyp> in that context, rust seems to have some new features that's interesting
2018-12-30T17:56:38 < zyp> but on the other hand it also seems to lack stuff that you'd take for granted in C++
2018-12-30T17:56:57 < zyp> simple shit like default arguments are apparently not supported «yet»
2018-12-30T17:59:22 <@englishman> object-oriented basic like visual basic would be interesting as an embedded language
2018-12-30T18:04:35 < Steffanx> Better C#
2018-12-30T18:04:52 < Steffanx> When are you doing assembling englishman ?
2018-12-30T18:04:55 < dongs> embedded doesn't need a better language
2018-12-30T18:04:59 < dongs> C or even C++ is totally fine
2018-12-30T18:05:23 < Steffanx> but we need something new in 2019
2018-12-30T18:06:16 <@englishman> assembling what?
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2018-12-30T18:06:58 < Steffanx> pcbs
2018-12-30T18:07:14 < Steffanx> *done doing. Lol forgot a word.
2018-12-30T18:07:33 < englishman> i have a couple more things im waiting for stuff on, but i'm mostly done, doing paperwork and figuring out where to move all this trash now
2018-12-30T18:13:42 < englishman> anyone tried rtl8710
2018-12-30T18:15:54 < dongs> ive heard about it
2018-12-30T18:16:10 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/uS7ibqR.png
2018-12-30T18:16:21 < englishman> cmsis-dap, onboard flash, real wifi
2018-12-30T18:16:35 < dongs> RTL8710 WiFi Module - Arduino - Seeed Studio
2018-12-30T18:16:52 < englishman> and pre-fcc'd modules like esp1488 etc
2018-12-30T18:18:18 < englishman> i guess the actual fcc'd modules was a little hopeful
2018-12-30T18:18:28 < englishman> not sure there is much competition for esp32 still
2018-12-30T18:18:34 < dongs> just the ones that laser-etch CE and FCC
2018-12-30T18:18:38 < dongs> on the top cover
2018-12-30T18:19:22 < englishman> goign to use arduino in some industrial equipment
2018-12-30T18:19:40 < englishman> because it's a more reliable toolchain than a bunch of lunix crap hacked to work on windows
2018-12-30T18:21:22 < zyp> is there proper documentation available for rtl8710?
2018-12-30T18:22:05 < englishman> no to that too, looks like all chinese
2018-12-30T18:42:53 < specing> zyp: have you checked out Ada?
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2018-12-30T19:08:26 < dongs> https://www.anandtech.com/show/13747/prices-of-mining-hardware-drop some shitcoin news for yall
2018-12-30T19:08:34 < dongs> specing: as in the dead language nobody cares about?
2018-12-30T19:08:56 < dongs> the way i see all these newfag languages
2018-12-30T19:09:02 < dongs> people that can't code, invent a new language
2018-12-30T19:09:10 < dongs> people that can, just sit down and code
2018-12-30T19:09:11 < specing> Ada is 50 years old
2018-12-30T19:09:23 < dongs> yes, thus my point about it being dead.
2018-12-30T19:09:26 < specing> and the last standard is from 2012. Next is 2020
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2018-12-30T19:09:58 < specing> doesen't seem very dead to me
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2018-12-30T19:16:33 < englishman> cool, it has capacitors
2018-12-30T19:16:48 < dongs> but does it have CRTs
2018-12-30T19:17:06 < englishman> totally worth $600 for a mobo
2018-12-30T19:17:09 < englishman> with two dimms
2018-12-30T19:17:19 < dongs> ah, my link
2018-12-30T19:17:20 < dongs> yeah heh
2018-12-30T19:17:29 < dongs> i suppose these could be useful for IPTV farms
2018-12-30T19:17:38 < dongs> you could stick a lot of PCIex1 DVB-S tuners in these
2018-12-30T19:17:43 < englishman> with a bunch of hdds?
2018-12-30T19:17:44 < englishman> oh
2018-12-30T19:18:00 < dongs> DVB-S to iptv
2018-12-30T19:18:07 < englishman> probably a lot more throughput than bitbutts
2018-12-30T19:20:09 < englishman> https://images10.newegg.com/BizIntell/item/13/119/13-119-028/6.jpg
2018-12-30T19:20:14 < englishman> we have the best emi
2018-12-30T19:20:42 < dongs> heh
2018-12-30T19:20:52 < dongs> those motherboard infopages are always hilarious
2018-12-30T19:21:03 < dongs> solid state caps, ferrite chokes, ESD suppresion whatever shits
2018-12-30T19:21:03 < Steffanx> so hows the buttcoin today
2018-12-30T19:21:08 < dongs> basically describing whats on the board
2018-12-30T19:21:13 < dongs> but making it sounds like its a BIG FUCKIGN DEAL
2018-12-30T19:21:39 < dongs> also wait waht the fuck is taht photo even
2018-12-30T19:21:41 < englishman> That's why Asus has engineered B250 Mining Expert with 19 decoupling capacitors.
2018-12-30T19:21:45 < dongs> some kinda castellated add-on board?
2018-12-30T19:21:49 < dongs> holy shit, 19?
2018-12-30T19:21:53 < dongs> is that for real
2018-12-30T19:22:13 < englishman> copy pasted
2018-12-30T19:22:45 < dongs> uhm
2018-12-30T19:22:50 < dongs> those are just bulk caps
2018-12-30T19:22:58 < englishman> i sure am happy asus had the chance to part those idiots from their money
2018-12-30T19:22:59 < dongs> isn't decoupling = something that would be in nF range
2018-12-30T19:23:09 < dongs> not 100uF like the shit there.
2018-12-30T19:23:23 < dongs> Stable, low-noise power is a serious benefit for 24/7 cryptocurrency mining.
2018-12-30T19:23:25 < dongs> SERIOUS BENEFIT
2018-12-30T19:27:49 < dongs> I have ran into another problem lately but has nothing to do with the motherboard is mostly my GPU will fail to start if the power is weaker, I live on apartment and we have our own generator and sometimes I'm guessing when everyone uses lots of power, the electricity gets weaker and my Asus Card dual pin power connector will fail to auto start crashing the rest of the gtx, while my rx580 will keep running 
2018-12-30T19:27:55 < dongs> with out any problem.
2018-12-30T19:27:58 < dongs> ahahah
2018-12-30T19:28:01 < dongs> poor fucking indians trying to buttcoin from their apartment
2018-12-30T19:28:08 < dongs> flickering everyones lights
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2018-12-30T20:03:47 < zyp> haha
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2018-12-30T20:14:51 < superbia> eevening Steffanx 
2018-12-30T20:15:14 < superbia> Steffanx: https://d1d2qsbl8m0m72.cloudfront.net/en/products/databook/applinote/ic/power/linear_regulator/parallel_ldo_an-e.pdf
2018-12-30T20:38:07 < Steffanx> Thanks, superbia.
2018-12-30T20:38:34 < Steffanx> The joys of HID. Spend quite some time to spot a tiny error. -_-
2018-12-30T20:44:06 < superbia> yw Steffanx 
2018-12-30T20:44:51 < Steffanx> Did you have a good day?
2018-12-30T20:45:00 < Steffanx> Or will you rage-quit soon?
2018-12-30T20:45:35 < superbia> day was allkay
2018-12-30T20:45:52 < superbia> i spend it mostly explaining how we got to moon with a weak computer
2018-12-30T20:46:00 < superbia> and how a shitty swiss watch saved the day
2018-12-30T20:46:30 < Steffanx> Answer: back then people knew how to program?
2018-12-30T20:46:34 < superbia> i was also showing online sdr websites, and examples on youtube how people decoded images that were being sent on it
2018-12-30T20:47:20 < Steffanx> Did you send them to #highaltitude to let them get into space themself?
2018-12-30T20:47:34 < Steffanx> "space"
2018-12-30T20:47:49 < superbia> no
2018-12-30T20:50:39 < Steffanx> could be nice if they want to do something like that
2018-12-30T20:51:19 < superbia> i want some https://www.saintcrispins.com/
2018-12-30T20:51:57 < Steffanx> nice glossy ones?
2018-12-30T20:52:07 < superbia> romanian prodotto
2018-12-30T20:52:27 < Steffanx> the what?
2018-12-30T20:52:34 < superbia> all romanian
2018-12-30T20:52:36 < superbia> made in house
2018-12-30T20:52:47 < superbia> and house is in romania
2018-12-30T20:52:52 < Steffanx> but it does not answer my question.
2018-12-30T20:53:00 < superbia> which ones ?
2018-12-30T20:53:08 < Steffanx> <Steffanx> nice glossy ones?
2018-12-30T20:53:14 < superbia> idk, the 1400+ euro ones
2018-12-30T20:53:27 < Steffanx> why would you spend that on shoes?
2018-12-30T20:54:17 < superbia> why not
2018-12-30T20:54:32 < Steffanx> Yeah why not. If you have the money.
2018-12-30T20:55:17 < superbia> https://www.saintcrispins.com/product/queens-oxford-round-wing-tip-with-brogueing/
2018-12-30T20:55:43 < superbia> Steffanx: https://www-saintcrispins-com.exactdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/21859_3.jpg?strip=all&lossy=1&fit=2500%2C2500&ssl=1
2018-12-30T20:56:08 < Steffanx> yeah fancy, but no thanks.
2018-12-30T20:56:44 < superbia> those are not fancy
2018-12-30T20:57:28 < superbia> Steffanx: maybe these ones for you http://www.kielman.pl/files/cache/590101f4c943d9bab2d341d1b62c87b9_f623.jpg
2018-12-30T20:57:54 < Steffanx> For that 1 time/5 years i wear a suit?
2018-12-30T20:58:41 < superbia> https://www.vass-shoes.com/sites/default/files/styles/shoes_front_page_collection/public/shoes/1130-u-cognac_antic_cognac_dark_cognac_combination-single_sole-01.jpg?itok=q7uGXgcl
2018-12-30T20:58:47 < superbia> how about these ones
2018-12-30T20:59:06 < Steffanx> https://klompenshop.nl/product/houten-klomp-nijhuis-geel-volwassenen/ all one needs
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2018-12-30T21:00:36 < superbia> nice pair of sneakers costs around 200e
2018-12-30T21:00:57 < Steffanx> Not on my world
2018-12-30T21:00:57 < superbia> so why is it wrong to have good shoes for a 1k?
2018-12-30T21:01:36 < superbia> btw. these were romanian, good shoes in west europe cost much moar
2018-12-30T21:01:49 < Steffanx> Nah, you can have em. I wouldnt ever buy it.
2018-12-30T21:02:33 < superbia> will see.. i am yet to see them in life
2018-12-30T21:02:57 < superbia> best menswear atm is in japan, but those fuckers have small feet, and small body figures
2018-12-30T21:03:45 < superbia> also their foot has different shape, so european foot doesn't fit inside a japanese shoe
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2018-12-30T21:16:20 < Steffanx> Dont they have great customer shoe makers in the swiss lands?
2018-12-30T21:17:56 < superbia> japan is really on another level
2018-12-30T21:23:42 < superbia> Steffanx: http://www.goodrichbespoke.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/IMG_1730.jpg
2018-12-30T21:28:22 < zyp> 20:03:45 < superbia> also their foot has different shape, so european foot doesn't fit inside a japanese shoe
2018-12-30T21:28:25 < zyp> wat
2018-12-30T21:28:54 < zyp> I often pick up a new pair of shoes when I go to jp
2018-12-30T21:29:37 < Steffanx> zyp, it seems its just wireshark being incorrect. about the set configuration status. It all works like a charm now and it still shows the status like that.
2018-12-30T21:29:55 < zyp> I even have an abc-mart point card somewhere with points from several purchases on it :p
2018-12-30T21:30:31 < zyp> Steffanx, good, then I were right :)
2018-12-30T21:32:07 < Steffanx> i fucked up in the descriptor and thats why tools failed. Had a usage in the wrong usage page because .. i switched usages somewhere. Whops.
2018-12-30T21:32:12 < Steffanx> The joys of HID.
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2018-12-30T21:33:53 < Steffanx> *usage pages
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2018-12-30T21:38:00 < superbia> zyp: what kind of shoes
2018-12-30T21:38:55 < Steffanx> https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/de-japanse-schoenen-van-de-traditie-3070286.jpg ofcourse
2018-12-30T21:39:17 < zyp> normal shoes
2018-12-30T21:39:37 < zyp> to be fair, they are probably not made in japan, but considering they are sold in japan I assume they fit japanese feet
2018-12-30T21:40:17 < superbia> i've only heared that japanese makers don't serve foreign customers because their domestic market demands many high quality shoes
2018-12-30T21:40:38 < superbia> so it's impossible for a foreigner to have a pair of shoes made there
2018-12-30T21:41:15 < zyp> haha
2018-12-30T21:41:46 < zyp> I don't buy shoes that are so fancy I can't just walk into a store, pick them off a shelf and try them on
2018-12-30T21:42:32 < superbia> fair point
2018-12-30T21:43:00 < zyp> I've just bought what I figure would categorize as regular sneakers
2018-12-30T21:43:10 < superbia> then i'd suggest you try to find some made to measure shoes in your size, and try them
2018-12-30T21:43:12 < zyp> in japan they are categorized as «walking»
2018-12-30T21:43:22 < superbia> sneakers are not a synonym for shoes
2018-12-30T21:43:32 < Steffanx> lolwut?
2018-12-30T21:43:50 < zyp> (as opposed to «running»)
2018-12-30T21:43:57 < zyp> hmm
2018-12-30T21:44:03 < zyp> I miss my old pair of shoes
2018-12-30T21:44:47 < zyp> bought it in jp january 2015 after arriving there and finding that the winter shoes I arrived in were way too warm for the weather
2018-12-30T21:45:00 < zyp> most comfy pair I've ever had
2018-12-30T21:45:24 < superbia> you don't have to convince me i trust you
2018-12-30T21:45:32 < zyp> was gonna buy a couple spare pairs when I went back the summer the same year, but then they were nowhere to be found
2018-12-30T21:45:35 < Steffanx> dont we sit on our butt all day long anyway? :D
2018-12-30T21:45:44 < Steffanx> no need for shoes.
2018-12-30T21:45:51 < zyp> haha
2018-12-30T21:46:22 < PaulFertser> I'm wearing something like https://www.splav.ru/img/g20131202103305960092t3n1.jpg
2018-12-30T21:46:34 < superbia> that is too warm man
2018-12-30T21:46:49 < zyp> that looks like a typical winter shoe to me
2018-12-30T21:46:51 < PaulFertser> It's ok below -10C
2018-12-30T21:47:06 < superbia> too tactical for me
2018-12-30T21:47:21 < PaulFertser> Do you like snow inside your shoes?
2018-12-30T21:47:40 < zyp> :)
2018-12-30T21:48:40 < superbia> how is it called, a winter service?
2018-12-30T21:48:47 < superbia> we have it, do you
2018-12-30T21:49:28 < PaulFertser> Kinda...
2018-12-30T21:50:58 < PaulFertser> And I do not like feeling constrained by someone else's choice to clean or not clean a certain path.
2018-12-30T21:51:31 < Steffanx> it does fit well with the 3 striped suit though :P
2018-12-30T21:52:47 < PaulFertser> I was surprised to learn many motorbikers here do not wear proper high moto boots just because it doesn't look "civilised" enough.
2018-12-30T21:58:34 < superbia> if i try to dress civilised in a suit, i get flamed by Steffanx 
2018-12-30T21:58:54 < superbia> if you try to dress non-civilised, you get flamed too
2018-12-30T21:59:02 < superbia> fuck me what is the correct way to dress then Steffanx 
2018-12-30T21:59:17 < zyp> I prefer high boots when it's icy regardless of whether there's deep snow or not
2018-12-30T21:59:45 < zyp> I feel it helps the balance
2018-12-30T22:01:48 < Steffanx> all i said is i wouldnt buy it mr superbia
2018-12-30T22:02:22 < Steffanx> like i fucking care what you wear. (as long as you wear something)
2018-12-30T22:05:14 < Steffanx> if you decided to go for a pink dress i would have certain thoughts about it, but i would let you be.
2018-12-30T22:11:50 < superbia> Steffanx: i think i found a right woman for you
2018-12-30T22:12:50 < Steffanx> i dont need another one. i have you.
2018-12-30T22:13:16 < superbia> https://www.instagram.com/p/Brml8YHnqVE/
2018-12-30T22:15:00 < Steffanx> nah ty
2018-12-30T22:15:57 < superbia> she's 30
2018-12-30T22:16:03 < Steffanx> she looks older
2018-12-30T22:20:54 < jadew> I need new winter boots too
2018-12-30T22:21:29 < jadew> the ones I have are great, but they're a bit too much
2018-12-30T22:22:40 < jadew> they're the kind of stuff you'd wear if you went hiking during the winter
2018-12-30T22:26:42 < superbia> right?
2018-12-30T22:27:00 < jadew> and that lady does look 30
2018-12-30T22:27:03 < jadew> 37
2018-12-30T22:27:17 < superbia> right
2018-12-30T22:27:23 < qyx> winter sdhoies in hot romania?
2018-12-30T22:27:35 < Steffanx> !wz romania
2018-12-30T22:27:36 < englishbot> [Romania, Pennsylvania] Clear. Temp is 4.5°C. West wind: 5.0 kph. Humidity: 64%.
2018-12-30T22:27:43 < Steffanx> its cold in romania.
2018-12-30T22:27:49 < jadew> it's an odd winter this one
2018-12-30T22:27:49 < qyx> see, it is not even freezing
2018-12-30T22:28:23 < jadew> normally it's below 0 for the entire winter
2018-12-30T22:28:25 < qyx> here it was ~12C few days ago
2018-12-30T22:28:40 < Steffanx> !wz netherlands
2018-12-30T22:28:41 < englishbot> [Netherlands New Guinea, Indonesia] Overcast. Temp is 18°C. NE wind: 9 kph. Humidity: 73%.
2018-12-30T22:28:44 < qyx> yeah, same here
2018-12-30T22:28:55 < qyx> thius winter is extraordinary hot
2018-12-30T22:29:15 < Steffanx> yes, indeed
2018-12-30T22:29:16 < jadew> I had my balcony door open the entire day
2018-12-30T22:29:25 < jadew> and it didn't get chilly
2018-12-30T22:29:32 < jadew> (not fully open, just cracked)
2018-12-30T22:29:57 < jadew> closed it about an hour ago and it was like that since 7 am, when I woke up
2018-12-30T22:30:10 < jadew> on a normal winter if I kept it open for 10 minutes it would be freezing in here
2018-12-30T22:30:45 < superbia> frozen
2018-12-30T22:31:00 < jadew> it could be a late winter
2018-12-30T22:31:14 < jadew> might hit in late January
2018-12-30T22:32:19 < englishman> klompenshop
2018-12-30T22:32:48 < Steffanx> Yes, the waffle.express for klompen.
2018-12-30T22:32:59 < englishman> vibram fivefingers is all i need
2018-12-30T22:33:48 < Steffanx> hah
2018-12-30T22:33:58 < Steffanx> those look.. interesting
2018-12-30T22:34:21 < englishman> why do those €1.1k shoes have metal bits on the toes, are they for tap dancing like fred astaire
2018-12-30T22:35:32 < englishman> or just for tapping around and telling everyone you paid €1.1k for shoes
2018-12-30T22:35:44 < Steffanx> And nice for kicking peoples butt.
2018-12-30T22:36:41 < englishman> il tap fight you
2018-12-30T22:38:00 < Steffanx> but dont make jokes or superbia will say you flame his clothing.
2018-12-30T22:38:37 < englishman> I guess you have to be really vain to succeed in .ch, I can't fault him for playing along
2018-12-30T22:48:56 < karlp> man, this !wz search is attrocious
2018-12-30T22:49:24 < englishman> haha
2018-12-30T22:49:46 < englishman> well it just queries wunderground and wunderground search is pretty bad
2018-12-30T22:50:04 < Steffanx> Why karlp. It mainly looks for cities, not countries.
2018-12-30T22:50:29 < karlp> yeah, but it regularly picks crazy tiny cities in the us instead of major international cities too
2018-12-30T22:51:04 < englishman> !wz springfield
2018-12-30T22:51:05 < englishbot> [Springfield, Massachusetts] Overcast. Temp is 2.6°C. Humidity: 52%.
2018-12-30T22:51:21 < englishman> !wz peru
2018-12-30T22:51:22 < englishbot> [Perugia, Italy] Clear. Temp is 6.9°C. NNE wind: 4.8 kph. Humidity: 57%.
2018-12-30T22:51:39 < karlp> !wz paris
2018-12-30T22:51:39 < englishbot> [Paris, France] Overcast. Temp is 9°C. Variable wind: 2 kph. Humidity: 93%.
2018-12-30T22:51:46 < karlp> !wz reykjavik
2018-12-30T22:51:47 < englishbot> [Reykjavik, Canada] Overcast. Temp is -15.1°C but feels like -22°C. NE wind: 11.7 kph. Humidity: 89%.
2018-12-30T22:51:49 < Steffanx> !wz paris us
2018-12-30T22:51:49 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-12-30T22:51:58 < Steffanx> !wz Reykjavik iceland
2018-12-30T22:51:58 < karlp> !wz brisbane
2018-12-30T22:51:59 < englishbot> [Reykjavik, Iceland] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 6.9°C. SW wind: 4.8 kph. Humidity: 88%.
2018-12-30T22:51:59 < englishbot> [Brisbane, Australia] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 25.3°C. South wind: 6.4 kph. Humidity: 64%.
2018-12-30T22:52:12 < englishman> haha Reykjavik Canada
2018-12-30T22:53:07 < englishman> !wz Reykjavík
2018-12-30T22:53:08 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-12-30T22:53:29 < superbia> !wz pristina
2018-12-30T22:53:31 < englishbot> [Pristina, Bosnia and Herzegovina] Rain. Temp is 3.4°C. Humidity: 90%.
2018-12-30T22:53:37 < superbia> !wz kosovo
2018-12-30T22:53:38 < englishbot> [Kosovo Polje, Bosnia and Herzegovina] Overcast. Temp is 2°C. NW wind: 6 kph. Humidity: 100%.
2018-12-30T22:53:49 < Steffanx> !wz super
2018-12-30T22:53:50 < karlp> heh, wunderground doesn't recognize kosovo?
2018-12-30T22:53:50 < englishbot> [Superior, Wisconsin] Overcast. Temp is -3.2°C. Humidity: 88%.
2018-12-30T22:53:52 < englishman> !wz fossvogsdalur
2018-12-30T22:53:52 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-12-30T22:53:55 < superbia> karlp: it does not
2018-12-30T22:54:32 < karlp> !wz athens
2018-12-30T22:54:33 < englishbot> [Athens, Greece] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 9.7°C. NNW wind: 3.2 kph. Humidity: 71%.
2018-12-30T22:54:42 < englishman> brrr
2018-12-30T23:15:30 < englishman> https://www.zdnet.com/article/users-report-losing-bitcoin-in-clever-hack-of-electrum-wallets/
2018-12-30T23:15:46 < englishman> phishing via error message
2018-12-30T23:23:09 < qyx> anyone using lineageos?
2018-12-30T23:24:06  * superbia is using android 9
2018-12-30T23:29:33 < englishman> used to
2018-12-30T23:33:59 < qyx> does it tend to be faster than stock images?
2018-12-30T23:34:04 < qyx> I mean less bloated
2018-12-30T23:34:57 < qyx> my galaxy tab is kitkat only with 1.5G ram, I am considering flashing it
2018-12-30T23:38:10 < englishman> depends, it has some more features and bloatware is stripped down yeah but you will probably have a crappier camera app and will have to wipe everything and deal with untested opensores
2018-12-30T23:39:14 < englishman> it's probably better than stuff lower end mfgs like lg etc. can make but Samsung is probably fine, I kind of regret installing it on my old s5
2018-12-30T23:39:33 < englishman> you can usually go back if you don't like it
2018-12-30T23:40:40 < englishman> don't forget that there are like 25 galaxy tab models too, not all are supported
2018-12-30T23:43:54 < englishman> wow has it already been 5 years since KitKat and art
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2018-12-30T23:54:09 < qyx> yeah this is gtelwifiue, it seems to be supported
2018-12-30T23:54:26 < qyx> although not officially built anymore
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2018-12-31T00:07:35 < superbia> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/203732895888572416/529011511062953994/Screenshot_20181230-190239_AliExpress.png
2018-12-31T00:24:51 < englishman> lol awesome
2018-12-31T00:26:30 < englishman> released 2015 and it's KitKat?
2018-12-31T00:28:28 < englishman> looks like it :(
2018-12-31T01:05:40 < Steffanx> bed time superbia
2018-12-31T01:07:56 < Thorn> 9 days of new year holidays started
2018-12-31T01:08:20 < Thorn> I hope I stocked up enough food to not have to go outside until jan 9
2018-12-31T01:08:32 < Steffanx> you can always eat the cat
2018-12-31T01:09:13 < englishman> if the cat doesn't eat you
2018-12-31T01:10:17 < Thorn> https://s1.stc.all.kpcdn.net/putevoditel/projectid_346574/images/tild6566-3934-4434-b230-616234666231__2.jpg
2018-12-31T01:13:59 < Steffanx> я не говорю по русски
2018-12-31T01:20:48 < Steffanx> dont you work from home Thorn? Isnt that always kinda holiday? :P
2018-12-31T01:21:14 < Thorn> >Isnt that always kinda work? :P
2018-12-31T01:21:19 < Thorn> would be more appropriate
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2018-12-31T01:28:16 < Steffanx> your boss would, yes
2018-12-31T01:30:06 < Steffanx> or clients or whatever
2018-12-31T01:35:22 < Thorn> or google
2018-12-31T01:35:46 < Steffanx> idk about google.
2018-12-31T01:35:56 < Thorn> https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9047303
2018-12-31T01:36:30 < Thorn> >Apps that fail to ... by January 9, 2019 may be removed from Google Play.
2018-12-31T01:37:39 < englishman> good
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2018-12-31T02:06:06 < Steffanx> crt. You tube is no good for you.
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2018-12-31T02:06:56 < Steffanx> Is it safe?
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2018-12-31T02:32:35 < englishman> crt you have been a pro IRC ee for 1 year already. what have you accomplished
2018-12-31T02:34:41 < catphish> so, people who design pcbs, what's the cheapest (withoug being excessively complicated or shit) way to get a small prototype batch made?
2018-12-31T02:34:56 < catphish> just a chinese board house's assembly service?
2018-12-31T02:35:48 < Steffanx> buy englishman's stuff
2018-12-31T02:36:09 < Steffanx> start Charlie's Assembly Factory. crt will like.
2018-12-31T02:36:26 < Steffanx> *Assemble.
2018-12-31T02:37:01 < Steffanx> *I
2018-12-31T02:38:23 < Steffanx> but you will be the one to fix it. Also a fucked up job sometimes
2018-12-31T02:38:25 < catphish> englishman: told me he no take new work
2018-12-31T02:38:45 < Steffanx> hence i told you to buy the factory.
2018-12-31T02:38:55 < Steffanx> :P
2018-12-31T02:39:16 < catphish> well i built a pnp machine, but it all seems like too much hassle and probably not very reliable
2018-12-31T02:40:11 < englishman> get China boards and solder shit by hand with a hotair
2018-12-31T02:40:14 < englishman> done
2018-12-31T02:40:20 < englishman> 20min tops
2018-12-31T02:40:47 < catphish> my last design has 100 passives on it, i'll die before those are placed
2018-12-31T02:40:57 < englishman> no it goes quick
2018-12-31T02:41:15 < englishman> as long as they aren't 100 different Bom lines
2018-12-31T02:41:18 < catphish> maybe i'll just keep doing by hand for now and give my pnp a try
2018-12-31T02:41:33 < englishman> plus you will have a new appreciation for having a minimal bom
2018-12-31T02:41:34 < catphish> its like 10x10 so not ridiculous
2018-12-31T02:41:51 < englishman> and standard components
2018-12-31T02:41:59 < catphish> actually also all 10 are identical so i can solder 1 set only for testing :)
2018-12-31T02:42:26 < catphish> yeah, already realised the joy of minimal bom
2018-12-31T02:42:30 < englishman> also use large parts for protos and size them down later
2018-12-31T02:43:07 < catphish> fine ideas
2018-12-31T02:43:08 < englishman> tho I have done thousands of production boards with 1206 this year. it isn't always necessary to be small
2018-12-31T02:46:07 < catphish> this thing i designed months ago and need to get round to actually building https://i.imgur.com/otQdFjw.png - 10 RFID readers
2018-12-31T02:47:46 < Steffanx> need more fiducials :P
2018-12-31T02:50:15 < catphish> lol
2018-12-31T02:50:39 < catphish> well it might also be a pnp test board, so thought i'd go mad with them :)
2018-12-31T02:51:30 < catphish> but i kinda lost interest in pnp towards the end, too much to go wrong, and too much setup for a small job
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2018-12-31T03:05:30 < Steffanx> superbia. hello.
2018-12-31T03:09:08 < Steffanx> i think he doesnt.
2018-12-31T03:10:17 < Steffanx> i can.
2018-12-31T03:11:05 < Steffanx> Try 7:00 or something.
2018-12-31T03:11:10 < Steffanx> 0700
2018-12-31T03:24:47 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/18t3VNBn8bh2hyD9niIBeHHo21YHZaM8z/view?usp=sharing
2018-12-31T03:25:06 < catphish> ngin
2018-12-31T03:28:08 < catphish> what does it do
2018-12-31T03:47:59 < tjq> kakimir ?
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2018-12-31T03:55:39 < kakimir> it is being an engine
2018-12-31T03:55:46 < kakimir> almost completed
2018-12-31T03:55:48 < tjq> how does it work?
2018-12-31T03:56:20 < kakimir> hmm
2018-12-31T03:56:30 < kakimir> read about internal combustion engines
2018-12-31T03:56:57 < tjq> sounds very difficult 
2018-12-31T03:57:56 < tjq> maybe we can discuss the FFT butterfly
2018-12-31T03:58:29 < catphish> kakimir: did you build it? what does it power?
2018-12-31T04:01:27 < kakimir> I built it
2018-12-31T04:01:31 < kakimir> actually rebuilt it
2018-12-31T04:02:08 < kakimir> friend says to me "this is how you spend your youth"
2018-12-31T04:02:35 < kakimir> or better translation would be "this is how you pour away your youth"
2018-12-31T04:02:46 < kakimir> catphish: sled
2018-12-31T04:03:29 < catphish> coooool
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2018-12-31T04:36:06 < kakimir> Interesting project
2018-12-31T04:38:19 < kakimir> I have never done engine rebuild
2018-12-31T04:39:14 < kakimir> so much concentration
2018-12-31T04:39:25 < kakimir> it's like a puzzle
2018-12-31T04:39:28 < kakimir> for men
2018-12-31T04:40:38 < kakimir> use tools, parts, materials, some craftmanship, common sense, come up with solutions to issues
2018-12-31T04:40:55 < kakimir> read manual and try to figure out what it says
2018-12-31T04:41:32 < kakimir> and end result you know only after dozens of manhours
2018-12-31T04:50:05 < kakimir> ye
2018-12-31T04:58:08 < kakimir> my sleep times are fucked up
2018-12-31T04:58:15 < kakimir> it's 5AM
2018-12-31T05:00:17 < specing> Glad that my sleep times are not the most fucked up - only 4AM here
2018-12-31T05:00:27 < kakimir> that is good
2018-12-31T05:00:50 < specing> Got adc Tj readings working, so I can go to sleep.
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2018-12-31T06:53:20 < dongs> hey crt, it looks like y ou're using #stm32 as your personal toilet
2018-12-31T06:53:27 < dongs> please stop doing that or specing will get upset
2018-12-31T06:53:43 < dongs> that he's not getting enough professional assistance
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2018-12-31T07:13:00 < dongs> same thing
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2018-12-31T12:40:30 < dongs> http://soundofsilver.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SGB_fix_2_labelled_small.jpg hmm what
2018-12-31T12:40:46 < dongs> what the hell are those thigns that look like obvious through-holes with a bunch of traces ending in them?
2018-12-31T12:41:22 < dongs> i.e. teh shit above U6 (above red  'ground') and the shit to the bottom of pins 73/74
2018-12-31T12:42:35 < jadew> looks like nothing
2018-12-31T12:42:53 < dongs> https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/retroconsoles/images/b/bc/Super_Game_Boy_PCB_rear_1.JPG/revision/latest?cb=20130614044217
2018-12-31T12:43:08 < dongs> "like nothing"?
2018-12-31T12:43:14 < dongs> you dont think its odd?
2018-12-31T12:43:20 < jadew> it is
2018-12-31T12:43:31 < jpa-> seems like the purpose of the hole is to cut the traces
2018-12-31T12:43:56 < jadew> think it's a mod?
2018-12-31T12:44:41 < dongs> every photo of that thing has those slots
2018-12-31T12:44:44 < dongs> in exactly same places
2018-12-31T12:44:54 < dongs> there's no way a bunch of nerds would be able to repeat such drilling so precisely
2018-12-31T12:44:56 < jadew> maybe they disabled something after testing
2018-12-31T12:45:05 < dongs> https://www.insidegadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/IMG_2003.jpg
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2018-12-31T12:46:14 < jadew> they seem to be purposefully routed through there
2018-12-31T12:47:15 < dongs> ok
2018-12-31T12:47:18 < dongs> err
2018-12-31T12:47:19 < dongs> plz
2018-12-31T12:47:24 < dongs> its like 1989
2018-12-31T12:47:29 < dongs> those are all probly mask rom
2018-12-31T12:48:28 < Steffanx> Is this talk spacing approved?
2018-12-31T12:48:34 < dongs> http://www.roguesportal.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Super_Game_Boy_PCB_rear_1.jpg
2018-12-31T12:49:11 < dongs> heh that slot in top right
2018-12-31T12:49:16 < jadew> if you reconnect those traces mario gets swapped with luigi
2018-12-31T12:49:33 < dongs> there's one under the left chip too
2018-12-31T12:49:36 < dongs> interesting
2018-12-31T12:49:50 < dongs> so they drilled it before or after mounting?
2018-12-31T12:49:51 < dongs> HMMM
2018-12-31T12:50:01 < jadew> after
2018-12-31T12:50:12 < zyp> dongs, looks like grounds, maybe ESD protection?
2018-12-31T12:50:29 < zyp> or if drilled before assembly, maybe for etesting
2018-12-31T12:50:43 < zyp> ground a bunch of traces, check conductivity to ground
2018-12-31T12:50:54 < jpa-> but why only those traces?
2018-12-31T12:51:11 < jadew> yeah, I think they're for programming or for enabling some debug mode
2018-12-31T12:51:40 < dongs> what about slot under left-side sram IC
2018-12-31T12:51:48 < dongs> last pic, above 'N'
2018-12-31T12:51:51 < dongs> its under the chip
2018-12-31T12:51:55 < dongs> drilled from backside?
2018-12-31T12:53:12 < zyp> hmm, ESD protection is still my bet
2018-12-31T12:53:30 < jpa-> http://soundofsilver.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Super_Gameboy_Mod_5.jpg   the holes do look cleaner on the backside
2018-12-31T12:53:46 < jpa-> and drilling from the backside would explain why they went all the way through
2018-12-31T12:53:50 < dongs> o shit thre's one under the big ic
2018-12-31T12:53:59 < dongs> right side
2018-12-31T12:54:38 < jpa-> the inside of the holes it different color than the mounting holes, so seems it was done after soldermask
2018-12-31T12:55:11 < zyp> I'm pretty sure they are just tying all the sensitive lines to ground during assembly
2018-12-31T12:55:39 < zyp> I figure chips from that time didn't have much in the way of ESD protection internally
2018-12-31T12:56:13 < jadew> zyp, think reflow soldering is worse than a drillbit spinning against the trace?
2018-12-31T12:56:25 < jadew> and the FR-4
2018-12-31T12:56:45 < zyp> the drill bit can be grounded
2018-12-31T12:56:54 < jpa-> some of the tied-down traces go to the cartridge connector, which seems like esd-risky place even after assembly
2018-12-31T12:57:44 < zyp> yeah, but after assembly it probably got some protection diodes somewhere
2018-12-31T12:58:00 < jpa-> possibly yeah
2018-12-31T12:58:57 < jpa-> http://fms.komkon.org/GameBoy/Tech/SuperGameBoy.gif   here's the schematic
2018-12-31T13:02:27 < zyp> /WR, /RD, /CS and apparently all of the data lines on the cartridge socket
2018-12-31T13:05:13 < dongs> ViDeO RaM
2018-12-31T13:05:16 < dongs> 8k vram/
2018-12-31T13:05:19 < dongs> ballsssss
2018-12-31T13:05:29 < dongs> how many bits does that fit
2018-12-31T13:06:21 < dongs> gayboy is 160x144 eh
2018-12-31T13:06:37 < dongs> ah 5.7K @ 4bit
2018-12-31T13:06:40 < dongs> i guess
2018-12-31T13:06:47 < dongs> did i calc that right
2018-12-31T13:21:39 < jpa-> dongs: i think it is not bitmapped display
2018-12-31T13:21:55 < jpa-> instead, storage for sprites and tiles & map of where to put what tiles
2018-12-31T13:44:00 < englishman> sounds plausible, in an era before esd diodes could be squeezed onto the die
2018-12-31T13:45:12 < englishman> that's pretty precise milling to go underneath those ics tho
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2018-12-31T14:09:41 < Thorn> sрecing approved kitteh https://www.instagram.com/p/BsDHDscA2rg/
2018-12-31T14:19:40 < Steffanx> Offtopic
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2018-12-31T14:20:46 < Steffanx> Fixed now.
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2018-12-31T14:56:37 < dongs> jpa-: the way snes gayboy worked tho is it rendered all the stuff on teh cart and then sent just the video+audio over to SNES for dispaly
2018-12-31T14:56:49 < dongs> since snes was too slow to emulate it 
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2018-12-31T15:32:56 < dongs> https://youtu.be/sFRXKpa6ILA?t=692
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2018-12-31T15:51:44 < Steffanx> Happy new year steven
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2018-12-31T16:09:15 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLHo9ZM3Bis
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2018-12-31T16:10:46 < specing> >_>
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2018-12-31T17:17:34 < Thorn> happy new year dongs
2018-12-31T17:18:04 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9vYVKBK-zI specing approved new year cat video for dongs
2018-12-31T17:18:15 < Steffanx> cats is ontopic.
2018-12-31T17:26:47 < Thorn> thanks Steffanx 
2018-12-31T17:26:57 < Thorn> cats are always on topic
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2018-12-31T17:52:49 < jadew> a circuit breaker just melted
2018-12-31T17:52:59 < Steffanx> oops
2018-12-31T17:53:09 < jadew> yeah... moved the wires to the next one
2018-12-31T17:53:15 < jadew> should hold until the stores open
2018-12-31T17:53:19 < Steffanx> how you manage to do that?
2018-12-31T17:53:38 < jadew> I guess it wasn't fastened properly
2018-12-31T17:54:13 < Steffanx> no pics?
2018-12-31T17:54:22 < jadew> no and I already closed the box
2018-12-31T17:54:27 < Steffanx> -_-
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2018-12-31T17:54:33 < jadew> it wasn't bad, but the null contact was charred
2018-12-31T17:54:48 < jadew> when I tried to unscrew them, the whole thing just broke
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2018-12-31T17:55:51 < jadew> I already have better circuit breakers since last year, but I didn't install them because... lazy I guess
2018-12-31T17:56:02 < Steffanx> hm
2018-12-31T17:56:29 < jadew> also, didn't read up on how RCD breakers have to be wired
2018-12-31T17:56:46 < jadew> and if I do that, I want to replace all the wiring too
2018-12-31T17:56:57 < jadew> it's using aluminium wires (very old building)
2018-12-31T18:13:52 < jadew> is everyone prepared for the new year?
2018-12-31T18:26:17 < Thorn> Koh Samui is prepared https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZGmK0x0FJA
2018-12-31T18:27:42 < Steffanx> prepared for what jadew
2018-12-31T18:28:12 < jadew> Steffanx, to enter the new year
2018-12-31T18:28:19 < jadew> I just finished cleaning
2018-12-31T18:29:48 < jadew> 2 more things to do and I can finally relax
2018-12-31T18:30:19 < Steffanx> What is there to do you cant do tomorrow? :D
2018-12-31T18:30:34 < jadew> invoices :D
2018-12-31T18:30:42 < Steffanx> oh
2018-12-31T18:30:42 < jadew> had to bill someone on this month
2018-12-31T18:30:52 < jadew> because tomorrow it's a different fiscal trimester
2018-12-31T18:32:05 < jadew> and I want to have the room in complete order before I get back to work
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2018-12-31T18:55:31 < Steffanx> 2019 stvn.
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2018-12-31T19:09:58 < Steffanx> Guten tag herr superbia1
2018-12-31T19:11:57 < Steffanx> Gut. Danke. Und  wie geht es ihnen?
2018-12-31T19:16:09 < Thorn> 24 hour new horizons flyby live event https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_JjT2lEkfM
2018-12-31T19:17:23 < Steffanx> ok
2018-12-31T19:30:23 < Steffanx> adios
2018-12-31T19:33:09 < Steffanx> enjoy your day
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2018-12-31T19:36:21 < Laurenceb_12> suppp
2018-12-31T19:43:34 < mawk> sup
2018-12-31T19:43:44 < mawk> you're not going out with buds for new year's eve Laurenceb_12 ?
2018-12-31T19:45:54 < Laurenceb_12> incel virgin NEET with no friends
2018-12-31T19:46:06 < Laurenceb_12> also
2018-12-31T19:46:11 < Laurenceb_12> THE CURRENT YEAR!!!
2018-12-31T19:46:30 < Laurenceb_12> tfw everywhere is backward and uncivilised compared to Australia
2018-12-31T19:47:33 < mawk> what
2018-12-31T19:47:52 < Laurenceb_12> My new years resolution is 2560 x 1440
2018-12-31T19:48:41 < dongs>     gtfo newb
2018-12-31T19:48:48 < dongs> 4K or go back to lunix
2018-12-31T19:49:31 < Laurenceb_12> I run lunix already
2018-12-31T19:49:47 < Laurenceb_12> does anyone know how URB stuff works for usb on lunix?
2018-12-31T19:50:01 < Laurenceb_12> https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/common/+/android-trusty-3.10/Documentation/usb/URB.txt
2018-12-31T19:50:25 < Laurenceb_12> I'm reading this and sound/usb in lunix source, and it seems CRC is ignored for usb audio?
2018-12-31T19:50:57 < Laurenceb_12> I would have thought that just repeating the previous sample would be best if CRC fails, rather than letting the data through
2018-12-31T19:51:22 < Laurenceb_12> https://docs.huihoo.com/doxygen/linux/kernel/3.7/sound_2usb_2endpoint_8c_source.html
2018-12-31T19:51:33 < Laurenceb_12> bleuch lunix source is cancer
2018-12-31T19:52:23 < mawk> you say linux but you give android link
2018-12-31T19:52:24 < mawk> what's wrong
2018-12-31T19:52:26 < Laurenceb_12> but I cant see anything to handle CRC failure on the data
2018-12-31T19:52:37 < Laurenceb_12> mawk: android has readable docs
2018-12-31T19:52:51 < mawk> you just went into the Documentation subdirectory that becomes to linux
2018-12-31T19:52:56 < mawk> it's not more readable than linux
2018-12-31T19:53:01 < mawk> that's just a git browser like any
2018-12-31T19:53:07 < mawk> that belongs*
2018-12-31T19:53:28 < mawk> you have several ways to do USB in linux Laurenceb_12 , and you didn't pick the easiest one
2018-12-31T19:53:29 < Laurenceb_12> yeah but it doesnt answer my question better than android
2018-12-31T19:53:31 < mawk> just use libusb in userland
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2018-12-31T19:53:37 < mawk> it'll save you some time
2018-12-31T19:53:46 < Laurenceb_12> mawk: yeah I just wanted to understand lunix audio
2018-12-31T19:53:54 < Laurenceb_12> how it handled usb failures
2018-12-31T19:53:59 < mawk> ah
2018-12-31T19:54:30 < Laurenceb_12> looks to me like it just passes data regardless, but it'd be nice to see that documented
2018-12-31T19:54:51 < mawk> isn't it documented in USB spec instead ?
2018-12-31T19:54:54 < Laurenceb_12>  "ISO only: packets are only "best effort"; each can have errors"
2018-12-31T19:55:02 < Laurenceb_12> in android docs is best I can find
2018-12-31T19:55:08 < Laurenceb_12> yeah its in usb spec
2018-12-31T19:55:20 < Laurenceb_12>  "Error handling is outside the scope of this document"
2018-12-31T19:55:22 < mawk> lol
2018-12-31T19:55:27 < mawk> no but it's isochronous mode
2018-12-31T19:55:37 < mawk> that means just ignore errors and go as usual, to preserve timing
2018-12-31T19:55:43 < Laurenceb_12> not exactly
2018-12-31T19:55:46 < mawk> so in case of error that'd mean just drop the frame no ?
2018-12-31T19:55:46 < mawk> ah
2018-12-31T19:55:54 < Laurenceb_12> the higher level code is made aware of the issue
2018-12-31T19:56:12 < Laurenceb_12> see the SYNC endpoint code in the endpoint code 
2018-12-31T19:56:19 < Laurenceb_12>  *endpoint.c
2018-12-31T19:56:58 < Laurenceb_12> >1021             if (urb->iso_frame_desc[i].status == 0)
2018-12-31T19:57:06 < Laurenceb_12> that checks the CRC
2018-12-31T19:57:28 < mawk> yeah
2018-12-31T19:57:32 < Laurenceb_12> so CRC failure on SYNC endpoint is ignored
2018-12-31T19:57:37 < mawk> yes
2018-12-31T19:57:40 < Laurenceb_12> but same code doesnt exist for data endpoint
2018-12-31T19:57:54 < Laurenceb_12> if I was writing it I'd have it pad the last valid data
2018-12-31T19:58:00 < Laurenceb_12> but nevermind...
2018-12-31T19:58:23 < Laurenceb_12> it'd just be nice to see where this behaviour was documented...
2018-12-31T19:58:57 < Laurenceb_12> padding would surely be optimal as most audio is << niquist
2018-12-31T19:59:26 < Laurenceb_12> but then again, errors are v rare, so its probably not worth poss making it slightly more complex
2018-12-31T20:00:01 < Laurenceb_12> good news is it looks like CRC errors dont cause the data stream to become misaligned, but again it'd be nice for that fact to be documented :-S
2018-12-31T20:01:12 < mawk> I'm not a USB jedi yet
2018-12-31T20:01:22 < Laurenceb_12> also behaviour in case of a timeout or protocol error is undocumented
2018-12-31T20:01:23 < mawk> try again in a few months
2018-12-31T20:02:27 < Laurenceb_12> the endpoint.c code only handles unrecoverable errors, so presumably timeout and protocol error in urb->iso_frame_desc[i].status is ignored and data is padded from the URB buffer...
2018-12-31T20:03:14 < Laurenceb_12>  98 static const char *usb_error_string(int err)
2018-12-31T20:03:23 < Laurenceb_12> ^thats a handler for the unrecoverable errors aiui
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2018-12-31T20:05:45 < Laurenceb_12> if I search for info on google I get a bazillion audiophool results "use oxygen free copper usb cable to avoid errors"
2018-12-31T20:07:48 < Laurenceb_12> anyway, who cares about work shit
2018-12-31T20:07:59  * Laurenceb_12 is looking for battery powered angle grinders
2018-12-31T20:08:23 < Laurenceb_12> weirdos are stickign bike locks to bridge railings near my house, tiem for the grinder
2018-12-31T20:08:32 < Steffanx> Im happy with the makita one. no clue what type.
2018-12-31T20:08:53 < Laurenceb_12> cool
2018-12-31T20:09:01 < Laurenceb_12> I dont understand this bike lock shit
2018-12-31T20:09:04 < Laurenceb_12> time to end it
2018-12-31T20:09:16 < Steffanx> Go for some lock picking.
2018-12-31T20:10:19 < Laurenceb_12> my sides https://www.justice.gov.uk/downloads/offenders/probation-instructions/pi-09-2015-annex-f-easy-read-guidance-on-licence-conditions.pdf
2018-12-31T20:10:59 < Steffanx> Hows your drivers license theory going Laurenceb_12
2018-12-31T20:11:39 < Laurenceb_12> gave up, too hard
2018-12-31T20:11:44 < Laurenceb_12>  /jk
2018-12-31T20:12:03 < Steffanx> but you didnt get it yet
2018-12-31T20:17:16 < zyp> Laurenceb_12, how about a rebar cutter? makita dsc162z would probably eat bike locks easily :p
2018-12-31T20:17:42 < Laurenceb_12> ok
2018-12-31T20:18:18 < Laurenceb_12> oh wow
2018-12-31T20:18:21 < Steffanx> but how often do you need that?
2018-12-31T20:18:29 < Laurenceb_12> https://www.dreamstime.com/editorial-stock-image-love-lock-bridge-bakewell-derbyshire-uk-april-locks-over-river-wye-image91318754
2018-12-31T20:18:34 < Steffanx> A angle grinder has more uses. around the house i assume
2018-12-31T20:18:40 < zyp> Steffanx, true enough
2018-12-31T20:18:59 < Laurenceb_12> bike lock level: over 9000
2018-12-31T20:20:45 < Laurenceb_12> bongland activities are weird
2018-12-31T20:21:01 < zyp> apparently they have plenty of angle grinders as well, DGA508Z looks nice
2018-12-31T20:21:17 < zyp> or DGA504Z for cheaper
2018-12-31T20:22:36 < zyp> I'd probably buy something like that if I were looking for an angle grinder now
2018-12-31T20:26:13 < Steffanx> heh
2018-12-31T20:30:21 < zyp> Steffanx, you got one of those?
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2018-12-31T20:31:47 < englishman> battery makitas are my fav power tools
2018-12-31T20:31:59 < zyp> yeah
2018-12-31T20:32:22 < Steffanx> yes zyp
2018-12-31T20:32:28 < Steffanx> looks like it
2018-12-31T20:32:32 < zyp> my collection is not so impressive yet, I just have a drill, impact wrench and a multitool
2018-12-31T20:32:37 < zyp> but I intend to grow it
2018-12-31T20:33:31 < Steffanx> i dont have much. Since my dad has too much of it and i can use that like any time
2018-12-31T20:33:39 < Steffanx> and my brother works for a makita dealer :P
2018-12-31T20:34:05 < zyp> one of my pals used to too, got a good deal on the drill from him a couple of years ago
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2018-12-31T20:48:56 < Laurenceb_12> wow I hate double glazing more than lunix programming
2018-12-31T20:49:10 < Laurenceb_12> >loads of parts that are incompatible
2018-12-31T20:49:16 < Laurenceb_12> >0 documentation
2018-12-31T20:49:46 < Laurenceb_12> unironically tiem to start 3d printing and casting aluminium
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2018-12-31T21:00:06 < Steffanx> no alcohol today?
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2018-12-31T21:58:40 < Hamilton> Happy new year #STM32 🎉 🎊 🎉 🎊
2018-12-31T21:59:57 < englishman> happy new innovations
2018-12-31T22:01:02 < jpa-> i can't wait to see the first Laurenceb link of 2019!
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2018-12-31T22:22:02 < Steffanx> Happy new year crt. And good morning
2018-12-31T22:22:11 < Steffanx> And same to mr Hamilton
2018-12-31T22:22:48 < Steffanx> is it gone?
2018-12-31T22:23:12 < Steffanx> I cant tell
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2018-12-31T22:33:52 < englishman> Laurenceb_12 maybe in 2019 you can use your powers for innovation instead of pasting dumb links and getting banned from irc like you did in all of 2018
2018-12-31T22:35:54 < Steffanx> I like how you have still hope englishman
2018-12-31T22:36:32 < Laurenceb_12> I'd need a new jerb for that
2018-12-31T22:36:41 < englishman> i am an optimist.
2018-12-31T22:36:53 < englishman> to a fault.
2018-12-31T22:40:18 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/WrLbvPz.jpg
2018-12-31T22:40:48 < Steffanx> hm, youre being a bad example sir
2018-12-31T22:48:21 < englishman> what are you doing tonight Steffy
2018-12-31T22:49:21 < Steffanx> Not much. 
2018-12-31T22:51:55 < englishman> cool
2018-12-31T22:52:59 < Steffanx> At the moment i was just playing with a quadrature encoder.
2018-12-31T22:55:05 < Steffanx> Difficult stuff on stm32 that is
2018-12-31T22:56:24 < englishman> is it
2018-12-31T22:56:29 < Steffanx> lol no
2018-12-31T22:59:42 < englishman> Larry Ellison added to board of Tesla
2018-12-31T22:59:46 < englishman> rip tesla
2018-12-31T23:00:22 < Thorn> happy new year to me
2018-12-31T23:00:34 < Thorn> :/
2018-12-31T23:02:24 < Ultrasauce> sup
2018-12-31T23:03:48 < Steffanx> Happy new year to Ultrasauce  and Thorn
2018-12-31T23:04:16 < Ultrasauce> your well wishes are ill-received as they are seven hours early
2018-12-31T23:04:27 < Ultrasauce> please hang up and try again
2018-12-31T23:04:36 < Steffanx> Nah what about a bit too late?
2018-12-31T23:05:14 < Ultrasauce> seasonal greetings are acceptable within a 2 hour window
2018-12-31T23:05:44 < Steffanx> i mean a bit 364 days and a few hours late.
2018-12-31T23:06:36 < Ultrasauce> these timing constraints are necessary for the optimization of other pipelined tasks
2018-12-31T23:06:59 < Steffanx> ok. im sorry.
2018-12-31T23:09:54 < Steffanx> No happy new year for you then. i cannot comply with the 2 hour window requirement.
2018-12-31T23:09:59 < Thorn> thanks Steffanx :3
2018-12-31T23:10:16 < Thorn> happy new year to you too
2018-12-31T23:10:34 < Steffanx> ty.
2018-12-31T23:11:29 < englishman> china gets two new years it isn't fair
2018-12-31T23:11:52 < Thorn> they're still celebrating in koh samui https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBsmLKuNELA
2018-12-31T23:12:03 < Ultrasauce> just adopt 365 different calendars and you get to celebrate every day
2018-12-31T23:12:57 < Ultrasauce> or if that's too complicated, a calendar with a one day year
2018-12-31T23:15:42 < qyx> oh hny
2018-12-31T23:16:30 < Steffanx> Ill just wish you a happy new hour Ultrasauce
2018-12-31T23:16:54 < Ultrasauce> and a happy new hour to you too
2018-12-31T23:17:23 < Ultrasauce> every moment spent with you is a moment worth celebrating <3
2018-12-31T23:17:52 < Steffanx> i dont know what to say.
2018-12-31T23:31:12 < Thorn> Amsterdam is also celebrating but no half-naked people there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBmWECpF_HQ
2018-12-31T23:34:46 < Steffanx> !wz amsterdam
2018-12-31T23:34:47 < englishbot> [Amsterdam, Netherlands] Overcast. Temp is 7.5°C. WSW wind: 4.8 kph. Humidity: 88%.
2018-12-31T23:34:56 < Steffanx> !wz koh samui
2018-12-31T23:34:56 < englishbot> Unable to locate query.
2018-12-31T23:35:14 < Steffanx> !wz Chaweng
2018-12-31T23:35:15 < englishbot> [Chaweng Beach, Thailand] Partly Cloudy. Temp is 27.6°C but feels like 31°C. WSW wind: 6.9 kph. Humidity: 79%.
2018-12-31T23:37:23 -!- riataman [~jpablo@mapadev.com] has joined ##stm32
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