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2020-03-01T00:23:28 < mawk> there is a coronavrouw in delft Steffanx 
2020-03-01T00:23:30 < mawk> I'm going to die
2020-03-01T00:32:50 < Cracki> >coronawoman
2020-03-01T00:33:04 < kakimir> remember to do electronics
2020-03-01T00:45:15 < Steffanx> Yeah, I'm going to die too mawk. The local student association is going to ski in north italy with 900 people. 
2020-03-01T00:47:32 < Steffanx> Exactly the kind of people you do not want to go to such region
2020-03-01T00:48:20 < specing> Haha!
2020-03-01T00:53:07 < englishman> only through suicide do you get to determine the time and manner of your death
2020-03-01T00:56:15 < Steffanx> Ty englishman  
2020-03-01T00:56:45 < englishman> those little kittens are so sick
2020-03-01T00:57:05 < Steffanx> I have corona already anyway. Started to sneeze this morning and my nose feels itchy
2020-03-01T00:57:18 < Steffanx> Awh  the poor kittens. Gonna die?
2020-03-01T00:57:28 < englishman> hopefully not
2020-03-01T00:57:54 < englishman> the black one looks exactly like lil'd but... darker
2020-03-01T01:05:12 < kakimir> are you guise prepairing your deaths already?
2020-03-01T01:05:38 < kakimir> > escalated quickly
2020-03-01T01:05:41 < Thorn> musics to listen to before you die https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXDRPtufEbA
2020-03-01T01:06:04 < kakimir> you were talking about cross bows 1 hour ago
2020-03-01T01:09:47 < Thorn> https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/fayko1/my_covid19_story_brooklyn/
2020-03-01T01:10:58 < Thorn> especially see this comment https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/fayko1/my_covid19_story_brooklyn/fj3ugu0/
2020-03-01T01:11:29 < Steffanx> Diski-Vpiski
2020-03-01T01:11:59 < kakimir> pretty similar stories here
2020-03-01T01:13:39 < englishman> im going to spend the next 3 months in a sauna
2020-03-01T01:14:19 < Steffanx> Sexy 
2020-03-01T01:14:34 < kakimir> person just arriving home via from hong kong having cough, fever, pneumonia basically told to go home it ain't anything - you didn't come from mainland china so it's not covid
2020-03-01T01:15:41 < Steffanx> Arent you happy you are already kinda quarantined,  kakimir. As in.. being in the middle of nowhere has its advantages 
2020-03-01T01:16:08 < englishman> and never leaving the house
2020-03-01T01:16:30 < kakimir> it's additional time only
2020-03-01T01:16:40 < kakimir> or should be concidered as such
2020-03-01T01:17:03 < englishman> he can still catch it from his pallet of sma connectors shipped overnight
2020-03-01T01:17:15 < kakimir> yes
2020-03-01T01:17:47 < Steffanx> Would be cool when Corona happens to cure autism 
2020-03-01T01:18:15 < englishman> only in 2% of cases
2020-03-01T01:18:25 < Steffanx> Haha
2020-03-01T01:18:26 < kakimir> :o
2020-03-01T01:22:35 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/CMarizzi/status/1233841822675488775
2020-03-01T01:28:31 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er416Ad3R1g musics
2020-03-01T01:28:39 < kakimir> slash video
2020-03-01T01:31:48 < doomba> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF3dg5seGLs
2020-03-01T01:31:50 < englishman> im stocking up on essential oils and dreamweavers
2020-03-01T01:31:51 < doomba> musics
2020-03-01T01:32:18 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HZknsKz3cU moar musics
2020-03-01T01:32:30 < BrainDamage> i do have a stock of essential oils, I prefer my house to smell good than smog
2020-03-01T01:32:40 < Thorn> with tarja turunen
2020-03-01T01:33:21 < Thorn> ##antivaxx32, ##essentialoils32, what else? ##jw32? ##mormons32?
2020-03-01T01:33:23 < kakimir> wtf :p
2020-03-01T01:33:27 < kakimir> tarja
2020-03-01T01:33:52 < kakimir> how good is her russian?
2020-03-01T01:33:58 < BrainDamage> I don't attribute them mystical healing properties
2020-03-01T01:34:02 < BrainDamage> just smell good
2020-03-01T01:34:10 < doomba> ATMEL AntiVaxR
2020-03-01T01:34:37 < Thorn> kakimir: pretty cringy tbh
2020-03-01T01:34:52 < kakimir> I bet
2020-03-01T01:34:53 < englishman> #msp43032
2020-03-01T01:35:27 < doomba> #padauk32
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2020-03-01T01:54:54 < Cracki> plague mask, stuffed with herbs and essential oils
2020-03-01T01:55:26 < Cracki> if i order one from china now, it'll be here in a month. by then it might all be over, or everyone is dying
2020-03-01T01:55:32 < Thorn> the infection has never smelled this good
2020-03-01T01:55:36 < BrainDamage> I'd love one of those, perfect environment outside to wear it too
2020-03-01T01:55:40 < Cracki> miasma theory
2020-03-01T01:55:57 < Cracki> was thinking if I have the skills and the patience to make one from paper mache
2020-03-01T01:55:58 < BrainDamage> I mean, imagine the reaction of the people seeing a plague doctor walking around
2020-03-01T01:56:08 < Cracki> exactly
2020-03-01T01:57:16 < Cracki> needs a good looking coat too, and a cane
2020-03-01T01:57:34 < Cracki> and a bottle of vicodin
2020-03-01T01:58:46 < Thorn> actually I need to call my relatives (3 doctors in the family, one is in the epidemiology service iirc), they might even help me get a full body suit + respirator
2020-03-01T01:59:47 < Cracki> davai davai
2020-03-01T02:00:13 < Thorn> unless there's already a shortage
2020-03-01T02:00:21 < Cracki> not of those things probably
2020-03-01T02:00:29 < doomba> someone told me that faceborg was having a viral virus story about how every election year there is a virus scare
2020-03-01T02:00:33 < doomba> but then they took it down
2020-03-01T02:00:41 < doomba> dat censorship
2020-03-01T02:00:44 < Thorn> I heard China bought them out all over the world
2020-03-01T02:00:49 < Cracki> must not question the narrative
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2020-03-01T02:11:58 < Thorn> quality musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ho38HpPOdE
2020-03-01T02:15:09 < qyx> awaiting election preliminary results
2020-03-01T02:15:27 < Thorn> Putin will win
2020-03-01T02:15:55 < Cracki> https://babylonbee.com/news/russians-decide-election-too-chaotic-for-them-to-successfully-interfere
2020-03-01T02:17:38 < qyx> they are saying that finlanders have many women in their government
2020-03-01T02:17:53 < qyx> how is it so we don't have that many
2020-03-01T02:18:08 < Cracki> you are less drunk?
2020-03-01T02:18:11 < BrainDamage> ours get elected by the looks
2020-03-01T02:18:22 < Cracki> ours too, they must be ugly
2020-03-01T02:18:28 < specing> they should like
2020-03-01T02:18:31 < BrainDamage> https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=mara+carfagna&iax=images&ia=images
2020-03-01T02:18:34 < specing> back biden and publically state so
2020-03-01T02:18:36 < specing> rofl
2020-03-01T02:18:42 < Cracki> would elect
2020-03-01T02:21:29 < Cracki> I'm clicking through italian political parties of merely the past 10-15 years. lots of splits and merges.
2020-03-01T02:21:46 < doomba> bububacon bububububacon
2020-03-01T02:22:33 < BrainDamage> our political system is a bit fucked up, it allows parties to form coalitions how they want, when you vote it goes to the party and the coalition
2020-03-01T02:23:36 < BrainDamage> on one side, it forces the government to appeal to broader needs, on the other, some parties can hold the government ransom by threatening to quit the coalition and lose the majority of the parliament
2020-03-01T02:23:45 < BrainDamage> something that has happened a few times
2020-03-01T02:24:35 < BrainDamage> historically, the right sided governmment have had much more uniform views while the left is a bit of chaos of most disparate beliefs
2020-03-01T02:26:42 < Cracki> stability is something I can never make leftists understand
2020-03-01T02:27:00 < Cracki> probably because they thrive in chaos and stability never benefits them
2020-03-01T02:27:37 < doomba> without chaos, how are they supposed to get handouts from the gubment in exchange for individual rights and freedoms?
2020-03-01T02:30:38 < Cracki> that question mark taunts me
2020-03-01T02:31:02 < Cracki> like, are you expecting an answer to be possible
2020-03-01T02:31:40 < doomba> only bill knows the answer
2020-03-01T02:31:56 < doomba> the Father of BatWuHan
2020-03-01T02:32:13 < Cracki> imagine goat simulator, but as a windows 95 bundled game
2020-03-01T02:32:25 < Cracki> bill would have to change his name
2020-03-01T02:34:56 < Cracki> https://store.steampowered.com/app/1214280/Walking_Simulator/
2020-03-01T02:38:09 < qyx> france and spain outbreak starts?
2020-03-01T02:38:45 < qyx> norway too
2020-03-01T02:38:49 < qyx> more than 50% increase
2020-03-01T02:42:02 < Cracki> rouge is pronounced 'roosh', the shade they throw at dyslexics went right over his head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkeYQ1msXEg
2020-03-01T02:43:41 < aandrew> it is?
2020-03-01T02:44:44 < aandrew> rouge is pronouced "rooj" (with a soft j) to me
2020-03-01T02:44:56 < aandrew> zuh sound almost
2020-03-01T02:46:03 < aandrew> almost like "huge" but softer
2020-03-01T02:46:03 < zyp> BrainDamage, I don't know italian politics, but it doesn't sound too different from what we've got here
2020-03-01T02:46:14 < aandrew> rhymes with luge
2020-03-01T02:46:36 < zyp> IMO coalitions are a good thing, makes a lot more sense than a two party system
2020-03-01T02:48:18 < zyp> oh, and we had a party actually leave the coalition a few weeks ago, so we've currently got a minority government
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2020-03-01T02:48:39 < zyp> works fine
2020-03-01T02:49:05 < aandrew> yeah I'm actually a fan of minority governments
2020-03-01T02:49:26 < aandrew> helps to ensure that the government only gets done what most people want done, not what the party wants done
2020-03-01T02:49:33 < zyp> yes
2020-03-01T02:49:51 < qyx> same here
2020-03-01T02:50:14 < aandrew> especially now that parties are so much more polarized than before, it's all about the party and fuck that shit
2020-03-01T02:50:17 < aandrew> right in the ear
2020-03-01T02:50:27 < aandrew> I don't give a shit about the party or the politics, you're elected to represent the people not your fucking party
2020-03-01T02:50:54 < zyp> also, technically here the votes go to the people in the party, not the party itself
2020-03-01T02:51:00 < BrainDamage> I don't like bipartisan system either, the problem is that as soon as a government loses majority here the other parties will start a vote to "untrust"
2020-03-01T02:51:25 < zyp> generally it doesn't make a difference, but if you get elected and leave your party, you still keep your seat for the term
2020-03-01T02:51:30 < BrainDamage> if that passes, the government is forced to resign
2020-03-01T02:51:45 < aandrew> BrainDamage: yeah that happens here too, triggering anothe expensive election cycle 
2020-03-01T02:52:15 < zyp> BrainDamage, that would be the case here too, although that wouldn't lead anywhere sensible
2020-03-01T02:52:19 < aandrew> but what usually keeps that in check is the knowledge that the population really fucking dislikes that and the party that decides to trigger an election via a confidence vote usually does not do too well at the polls
2020-03-01T02:52:38 < BrainDamage> here we're idiots
2020-03-01T02:52:46 < aandrew> the minority gov usually has to really, really be unpopular
2020-03-01T02:53:12 < aandrew> and in canada right now we have an unpopular minority, an official opposition party that has no leader, and a third party that is always pretty unpopular
2020-03-01T02:53:21 < zyp> the current parliament makeup doesn't have any potential for a majority coalition with the current party relationships
2020-03-01T02:53:34 < aandrew> we've had a lack of leadership in all parties over the last 15 years or so, it's been awful
2020-03-01T02:53:42 < aandrew> I miss the old Liberal government
2020-03-01T02:53:45 < zyp> so keeping the current government and tying their hands is the most reasonable course of action for the opposition
2020-03-01T02:53:57 < Cracki> kinky
2020-03-01T02:54:05 < aandrew> they're all fucking corrupt but the Chretien and Martin governments were fiscally sound and actually got shit done
2020-03-01T02:54:59 < aandrew> the 10 years of conservative government that followed was awful and borderline fascist, and now we have these "nuveau liberals" which are nothing but virtue politics and taking selfies and doing as much crying on camera as possible
2020-03-01T02:56:44 < qyx> unrelated, 1 want 16 channels to drive SSRs
2020-03-01T02:56:57 < qyx> any recommended part?
2020-03-01T02:57:04 < qyx> i2c LED driver?
2020-03-01T02:57:11 < aandrew> can't you drive an SSR with a pair of ULN2004s or something?
2020-03-01T02:57:18 < aandrew> er drive 16 SSRs with
2020-03-01T02:57:23 < zyp> plain gpios?
2020-03-01T02:57:28 < aandrew> ULN2004 I think is 7 channel not 8 though
2020-03-01T02:57:38 < zyp> or plain i2c io expanders
2020-03-01T02:57:45 < qyx> hm, apparently there are different kinds of sSRs
2020-03-01T02:57:46 < fenugrec> uln200x, straight out of the 90's !
2020-03-01T02:57:47 < aandrew> but there are similar ones that are cheap as fuck and can serve as sacrificial in case something goes wrong
2020-03-01T02:57:49 < qyx> some need constant current
2020-03-01T02:57:51 < qyx> some CV
2020-03-01T02:58:06 < aandrew> I've never seen an SSR that has such odd needs
2020-03-01T02:58:12 < aandrew> you give it X volts, it turns on
2020-03-01T02:58:17 < aandrew> you remove that, it turns off
2020-03-01T02:58:19 < zyp> I believe the SSRs I've used got opto inputs, will do anything 3-25V or some shit
2020-03-01T02:58:25 < fenugrec> some SSRs can't be operated from DC because they won't turn off, they need the zero-crossing
2020-03-01T02:58:28 < aandrew> exactly that kind of thing
2020-03-01T02:58:36 < qyx> fenugrec: wat
2020-03-01T02:58:37 < aandrew> fenugrec: I guess there'd be some speciality ones
2020-03-01T02:58:48 < qyx> yes, but on the secondary side
2020-03-01T02:59:00 < qyx> I mean on the high voltage side
2020-03-01T02:59:10 < qyx> yes, most SSRs can't switch DC
2020-03-01T02:59:25 < fenugrec> yeah - if it has SCRs on the HV side, it'll be AC-only
2020-03-01T02:59:26 < qyx> but I am talking about driving the LED
2020-03-01T02:59:33 < zyp> sounds like thyristor/triac stuff
2020-03-01T03:00:01 < qyx> so, GPIO expander or ULNxxxx with GPIO, with some series resistor added
2020-03-01T03:00:16 < zyp> why series resistor?
2020-03-01T03:00:22 < zyp> series resistor is in the SSR normally
2020-03-01T03:00:47 < qyx> are you sure
2020-03-01T03:01:00 < zyp> I mean, it wouldn't make sense to put a voltage rating if not
2020-03-01T03:01:09 < qyx> fair
2020-03-01T03:01:18 < qyx> but still, I either need OC protection
2020-03-01T03:01:21 < qyx> or that series resistor
2020-03-01T03:01:36 < zyp> if it works say 3-25V, it'd have a series resistor scaled so that it gives enough current to trigger a 3V and not too much current to burn out the led at 25V
2020-03-01T03:01:57 < Thorn> when I had to design an onboard SSR I put a sot-23 mosfet at the input that was driving bot an indicator led and the optocoupler led
2020-03-01T03:02:16 < qyx> I was doing the same, in series
2020-03-01T03:02:28 < qyx> but this is for external SSRs
2020-03-01T03:03:03 < qyx> I guess I may go with a 5V out with resistor calculated for, say, 5mA at 1V8 or so Vf
2020-03-01T03:04:24 < zyp> I've got a pair of active speakers next to my TV, only want them to be on when the TV is on, so I gutted an extension cord, stuffed in a SSR and connected it to a USB cable, then plugged it into the USB port on the TV
2020-03-01T03:04:41 < zyp> worked fine for 8-9 years now
2020-03-01T03:05:17 < qyx> :D
2020-03-01T03:05:35 < zyp> apart from that I'm not sure I've actually used a SSR for anything
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2020-03-01T03:24:40 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgK0uRR5jGY  muscs
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2020-03-01T03:32:30 < zyp> hmm, with minor software modifications, it should be possible to run FS USB as a shared bus without a hub
2020-03-01T03:33:43 < zyp> the signalling itself is compatible with that
2020-03-01T03:33:55 < zyp> but enumeration is not
2020-03-01T03:35:22 < zyp> address assignment relies on hubs to enable ports one by one so there's never more than one device with address 0 on the bus
2020-03-01T03:36:07 < zyp> but handling that is usually a software thing, so it should be entirely possible to preset addresses on the shared bus
2020-03-01T03:37:26 < zyp> also, I'm not sure what this would be useful for at all
2020-03-01T03:37:46 < catphish> i tried to use likedin today, everyone ignored me :'(
2020-03-01T03:37:57 < zyp> aww
2020-03-01T03:38:41 < zyp> do you want me to endorse you for ebay forwarding?
2020-03-01T03:38:42 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/15pIKADdwfAmotlx0d061UkSdk-yukxUu/view?usp=sharing missing some master override components, decoupling, testpads, timing LC network delays, connectors
2020-03-01T03:39:32 < zyp> kakimir, is this for the eeprom emulator, or are you fucking up several things at a time?
2020-03-01T03:39:36 < catphish> zyp: lol it's okay, my profile isn't terrible, i clearly just messaged some rude people :)
2020-03-01T03:39:38 < zyp> sorry, flash emulator
2020-03-01T03:39:43 < kakimir> nand emulator
2020-03-01T03:39:57 < zyp> what's all the shit for?
2020-03-01T03:41:40 < zyp> I mean, seriously, what the fuck, why are you going this route instead of an FPGA?
2020-03-01T03:43:26 < kakimir> frontend r and w bufferin, timing circuits, non-blockable commands, address counter, digital switches to connect busses, terminal command latch and comparator from w bus, state machine, sram mem/lut and master
2020-03-01T03:44:20 < kakimir> I use fpga, nobody cares
2020-03-01T03:44:38 < kakimir> I use discrete logic -> mental
2020-03-01T03:44:49 < zyp> haha
2020-03-01T03:44:56 < Thorn> engineering trolling
2020-03-01T03:45:22 < Thorn> too bad we can't build a dick-shaped shopping center
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2020-03-01T04:01:52 < jadew> Steffanx, if you have a runny nose, it might be just a regular cold
2020-03-01T04:02:11 < jadew> only a small percentage of the ncov infections have that as a symptom
2020-03-01T04:02:37 < jadew> Thorn, there is a shortage
2020-03-01T04:03:16 < jadew> the .ro govt is supposed to receive 6 million masks this week, but anyone else is having a hard time getting one
2020-03-01T04:05:30 < zyp> that's what happens when people who don't need them starts stockpiling them
2020-03-01T04:06:21 < jadew> anyone who doesn't want to get sick needs them tho
2020-03-01T04:06:29 < jadew> they were just not enough of them on the market
2020-03-01T04:07:50 < specing> yep, the shops are all out of masks
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2020-03-01T04:09:35 < zyp> masks would be more effective if they were available to wear for people who suspected they caught the virus rather than being stockpiled by healthy people
2020-03-01T04:10:29 < jadew> sure, but you start suspecting you got the virus only ~7 days in
2020-03-01T04:10:36 < jadew> and in the meantime you're spreading it
2020-03-01T04:10:53 < jadew> sometimes you might not even know you have it
2020-03-01T04:10:59 < aandrew> yep
2020-03-01T04:11:38 < zyp> say «at risk of having contracted the virus» then
2020-03-01T04:11:49 < jadew> looks like we're all at risk
2020-03-01T04:12:05 < specing> my country already released reserves
2020-03-01T04:12:16 < jadew> what reserves?
2020-03-01T04:12:24 < specing> masks, hazmat suits, ...
2020-03-01T04:12:31 < jadew> for medics?
2020-03-01T04:12:36 < specing> yes
2020-03-01T04:13:03 < zyp> tragedy of the commons
2020-03-01T04:13:08 < zyp> that's what it is
2020-03-01T04:13:09 < aandrew> yeah I'd called a couple distributors for 3M and they were under orders to sell only to medical fields
2020-03-01T04:13:42 < jadew> aandrew, online shops actually pulled the product numbers from their databases
2020-03-01T04:13:48 < jadew> and I figured it's the same thing
2020-03-01T04:14:11 < jadew> I also talked to a distributor and they said there's no way I'd get FFP3, but I might be able to get some FFP2
2020-03-01T04:14:26 < jadew> (which are equivalent to N95)
2020-03-01T04:14:43 < zyp> what's the FF?
2020-03-01T04:14:51 < jadew> zyp, I don't know
2020-03-01T04:15:14 < jadew> FFP3/P3 - same thing
2020-03-01T04:15:23 < aandrew> I got two reusable QL half masks and a bunch of 5N95 filter media. I'll probably never take them out of their packaging but they were cheap ($26 for the reusable half mask, $50 for a shitload of media)
2020-03-01T04:15:40 < aandrew> and I can always use it for sanding/spraypainting/resealing the driveway :-)
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2020-03-01T04:16:01 < jadew> yeah, those should work
2020-03-01T04:16:41 < jadew> if shit hits the fan in your city and people start wearing bottles on their heads, nobody will think you look funny
2020-03-01T04:16:51 < aandrew> lol
2020-03-01T04:17:25 < jadew> https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/V0VJBdrEUvhHwZArWxU7nQ--~A/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/https://media-mbst-pub-ue1.s3.amazonaws.com/creatr-uploaded-images/2020-01/a36d2370-425a-11ea-9fff-e45e1f6e1efa
2020-03-01T04:17:57 < zyp> most shit here is sold out
2020-03-01T04:18:06 < zyp> https://www.jula.no/catalog/klar-og-verneutstyr/beskyttelse/andedrettsbeskyttelse/hel-halvmasker/helmaske-009665/ <- this thing is still available though
2020-03-01T04:18:15 < aandrew> we always have a bit of a food supply in the pantry, but I kind of went over it shored up what was low, made sure I had tylenol cold and flu, fever reducer (ibuprofen) and anti-diarrheal on the shelf here, and made sure I have toilet paper and tissues.
2020-03-01T04:18:20 < englishman> hell mask
2020-03-01T04:18:24 < jadew> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2020/02/07/TELEMMGLPICT000223303209_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQfyf2A9a6I9YchsjMeADBa08.jpeg
2020-03-01T04:18:45 < aandrew> that's all the prep I'm going to do. already have gas and a generator and kerosene and heaters if things get particularly bad (but that's just good sense, not because of this thing)
2020-03-01T04:19:37 < jadew> aandrew, yeah, shortage of gas/electricity is what I'm most afraid of
2020-03-01T04:19:55 < aandrew> https://www.3mcanada.ca/3M/en_CA/company-ca/all-3m-products/~/3M-Quick-Latch-Rugged-Comfort-Half-Facepiece-Reusable-Respirator-6503QL-large/?N=5002385+3293732621&rt=rud is what I bought in large and medium
2020-03-01T04:20:09 < jadew> but as I was saying earlier, I don't think they'd let things get this bad, they'd rather take the chance with the virus than let people starve (maybe)
2020-03-01T04:20:34 < aandrew> natural gas is very unlikely to go out, but kerosene heaters are here, and electricity is possible just from storms which is what the generator is for
2020-03-01T04:20:37 < englishman> good thing cocaine cures coronavirus, i'm all set
2020-03-01T04:20:53 < aandrew> englishman: you got good coke from the biker gangs there no?
2020-03-01T04:21:13 < englishman> never seen a biker gang in the snow
2020-03-01T04:23:15 < englishman> covid-19 is such a stupid name
2020-03-01T04:23:22 < jadew> yeah
2020-03-01T04:23:24 < englishman> it isn't catchy at all
2020-03-01T04:23:29 < englishman> (unlike the virus)
2020-03-01T04:23:30 < jadew> unlike the virus
2020-03-01T04:23:35 < zyp> just call it sars2 then
2020-03-01T04:23:48 < zyp> SARS v2.0
2020-03-01T04:24:05 < englishman> episode 2
2020-03-01T04:24:11 < jadew> there might actually be a changelog in some lab somewhere
2020-03-01T04:24:12 < englishman> it could be sars 1.5
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2020-03-01T04:43:49 < kakigate> is there a big cocaine scene in CA englishman?
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2020-03-01T05:24:50 < emeb> STM32H750 prototype on the bench - starting to work.
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2020-03-01T05:37:16 < aandrew> nice. what are you up to
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2020-03-01T06:52:05 < emeb_mac> aandrew: just playing with new prototype audio stuffs.
2020-03-01T06:52:38 < emeb_mac> this one has one of those Lyontek QSPI RAMs on it - want to see if those are fast enough for big audio buffers.
2020-03-01T06:52:58 < aandrew> ah interesting
2020-03-01T06:53:19 < englishman> emeb_mac: question for you since this thing involves audio-ish frequencies
2020-03-01T06:53:27 < emeb_mac> englishman: sure
2020-03-01T06:53:44 < englishman> the incoming signal is a 25kHz pulse lasting about 3us
2020-03-01T06:53:58 < englishman> and its magnitude has to be measured
2020-03-01T06:54:12 < englishman> competitor's product has an fpga and stm32. only highspeed adc is in the stm32
2020-03-01T06:54:15 < englishman> so what's the fpga for
2020-03-01T06:54:39 < englishman> we do our stuff with a moving window, trigger level then foot-peak search
2020-03-01T06:54:50 < emeb_mac> interesting
2020-03-01T06:55:20 < englishman> i think they do it a little differently where they find a peak, then short the signal to ground for a fixed time so it doesn't stray negative) then sample baseline
2020-03-01T06:55:40 < englishman> but i'm not sure why the fpga is there as the adc is in the stm32 and is at least 1msps
2020-03-01T06:55:50 < emeb_mac> without knowing more about the competitors system I couldn't say. Perhaps they're doing some sort of external trigger for the ADCs?
2020-03-01T06:56:00 < aandrew> 25kHz has a period of 40us. so you're getting barely even a fragment of a period in 3
2020-03-01T06:56:12 < englishman> the peak is only 2-4us tho
2020-03-01T06:56:46 < englishman> and for a  "good" iso measurement you need to sample the peak 3 times
2020-03-01T06:56:54 < aandrew> interesting
2020-03-01T06:56:55 < emeb_mac> right - stm32 ADCs can be set up to sample around 1-10MHz depending on the family
2020-03-01T06:57:50 < emeb_mac> it's possible to have all 3 running on the same signal, out of phase so you get a pretty high aggregate sample rate.
2020-03-01T06:58:06 < englishman> true
2020-03-01T06:58:20 < englishman> even more important if you have 2 incoming signals
2020-03-01T06:58:28 < englishman> but then why the fpga
2020-03-01T06:58:34 < emeb_mac> right - no clue
2020-03-01T06:58:49 < emeb_mac> can you do a teardown on competitors ckt?
2020-03-01T06:59:12 < englishman> it's pretty complex and i only did a light design competence and cost analysis
2020-03-01T06:59:23 < englishman> but i didn't see any large parallel busses between stm and fpga
2020-03-01T06:59:45 < emeb_mac> what kind of FPGA?
2020-03-01T06:59:48 < aandrew> wonder if you can do a bandpass filter at 25kHz and just a simple peak detect on that
2020-03-01T06:59:56 < englishman> proasic3 20k gates
2020-03-01T07:00:07 < emeb_mac> so not a huge thing.
2020-03-01T07:00:10 < englishman> nope
2020-03-01T07:00:15 < aandrew> so I got a new contract at clearpath
2020-03-01T07:00:46 < aandrew> have any of you guys ever played Impossible Mission on the C64?
2020-03-01T07:01:13 < emeb_mac> I did some IFF / ADSB work a few years ago. Sampling pulses at 20MSPS to find baseline / peaks. Did it all in FPGA 
2020-03-01T07:01:14 < englishman> that kind of filtering usually doesn't work as the incoming signal frequency needs to be known. so we have to do a peak search somewhere then extract frequency from that
2020-03-01T07:01:49 < emeb_mac> Doing the measurements accurately is... interesting.
2020-03-01T07:02:23 < aandrew> englishman: so it's not 25kHz all the time?
2020-03-01T07:02:31 < englishman> no that's just the max spec
2020-03-01T07:02:38 < englishman> can measure up to 25kHz
2020-03-01T07:02:43 < aandrew> ahhh
2020-03-01T07:02:50 < aandrew> I misunderstood the problem
2020-03-01T07:03:07 < englishman> i understand
2020-03-01T07:04:07 < emeb_mac> englishman: how accurately do you need to measure the pulse peaks?
2020-03-01T07:04:25 < englishman> with NIST tracibility accuracy
2020-03-01T07:04:40 < emeb_mac> right, but what resolution?
2020-03-01T07:04:56 < englishman> oh precision is like 12bit
2020-03-01T07:05:33 < emeb_mac> ugh - STM32 ADCs unlikely to be that accurate.
2020-03-01T07:06:00 < englishman> with good power supply and oversampling it's around that
2020-03-01T07:06:18 < englishman> msp430 is around the same
2020-03-01T07:06:25 < emeb_mac> right, but oversampling on a 3us pulse is hard to do.
2020-03-01T07:12:12 < englishman> anywho the window foot-peak search works for us at lower frequencies. at higher frequencies the peak dropoff takes too long and charge begins to build up. so i figure the fpga is shorting the signal to ground for a precise time to remove extra charge. timing is also important as the decay is exponential and could go negative, ruining your baseline. so an fpga is used to tightly control the return to zero
2020-03-01T07:12:13 < englishman> phase
2020-03-01T07:12:40 < R2COM> yo
2020-03-01T07:15:52 < emeb_mac> englishman: sounds complicated. do you suspect that the FPGA is working mostly as a trigger / timing processor, or is it doing DSP on the digitized waveform?
2020-03-01T07:16:25 < englishman> if it was doing dsp, it isn't doing the measuring, and i don't see a high enough speed link to the high speed adc
2020-03-01T07:17:11 < emeb_mac> very strange
2020-03-01T07:22:38 < aandrew> you could be doing a bunch of FFT bins and averaging them to find the peak
2020-03-01T07:22:47 < aandrew> identifying the frequency and its peak
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2020-03-01T09:24:53 < jpa-> englishman: somehow the "25kHz" part sounds irrelevant when the pulse is so short, it sounds more like "we have a pulse, measure its height" - but yeah, can't see why one would need ADC for that unless you need very high timing resolution
2020-03-01T09:25:26 < jpa-> but if the length of the pulse was important to nanosecond level, i could see the point of the fpga
2020-03-01T10:04:54 < Steffanx> Yeah I'm pretty sure it is just that jadew ;)
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2020-03-01T12:41:19 < jpa-> for every jadew hiding in the basement, there is an anti-jadew licking gates  https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1233783569513877504/pu/vid/640x640/cWCZZd3CPK1l0rLQ.mp4
2020-03-01T12:50:05 < jadew> where is that?
2020-03-01T12:54:10 < Steffanx> Stop feeding jadew with stuff like that jpa-. The hysteria is almost max out already.
2020-03-01T12:54:29 < jadew> I'm actually quite chill
2020-03-01T12:54:54 < Steffanx> lol, are you sure?
2020-03-01T12:56:37 < Steffanx> if this what you call "chill"  im starting to wonder what non-chill is :P
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2020-03-01T12:59:26 < upgrdman> does java expose the last time an object was accessed? i'm guessing it tracks that for the GC, and i need it, so if I don't need to manually track it too, that'd make things easier.
2020-03-01T12:59:30 < upgrdman> oops, wrong channel
2020-03-01T12:59:49 < Steffanx> JAVAAAAH
2020-03-01T13:01:20 < upgrdman> indeed
2020-03-01T13:02:15 < Steffanx> what kind of "hacky"  stuff you're doing that you need such info
2020-03-01T13:02:16 < antto> does senpai approve java?
2020-03-01T13:02:35 < Steffanx> Im not sure. Java is hardly mentioned here, so he has nothing to rage about
2020-03-01T13:03:29 < upgrdman> Steffanx, im manually swapping large chunks of memory to disk / back to RAM when required
2020-03-01T13:04:13 < Steffanx> Hah, hacky it is then :P
2020-03-01T13:04:14 < upgrdman> java doesnt seem to have a way to say "swap this to disk if you want" ... so you cant use more memory than you actually have and let the OS page it out for you
2020-03-01T13:04:16 < upgrdman> yes
2020-03-01T13:05:02 < upgrdman> telemetryviewer can fill up memory quick if you let it run for days. and now that im adding camera support... it can fill ram real fucking quick with 4k video
2020-03-01T13:05:21 < jadew> Steffanx, I'm just concerned really, at this point it seems inevitable, so there's no point in obsessing about it anyway
2020-03-01T13:05:41 < jadew> already started focusing on other stuff
2020-03-01T13:09:25 < jadew> Steffanx, also look at what's happening in Italy, they're doing the best they can to underreport
2020-03-01T13:10:03 < jadew> they figured it's best to let 2% or more die than to take the hit to the economy, I expect more countries will follow
2020-03-01T13:10:22 < jadew> judging by the case Thorn liked last night, I think the same is happening in the US
2020-03-01T13:11:25 < jadew> *linked
2020-03-01T13:13:24 < jadew> I think South Korea is going to be the first country to come out of this
2020-03-01T13:13:58 < jadew> but I don't know how they'll deal with incoming visitors
2020-03-01T13:14:04 < Steffanx> or not. Fuck speculation based on random internet articles and unverified sores.
2020-03-01T13:14:24 < jadew> Steffanx, that article was verified by various news outlets
2020-03-01T13:15:27 < jadew> the only conclusion is that they have decided that the don't care - they'll deal with the serious cases and let it otherwise spread
2020-03-01T13:15:39 < jadew> I don't think we'll see any quarantine in the US
2020-03-01T13:15:47 < jadew> not like in Italy anyway
2020-03-01T13:16:21 < jadew> there's probably some math there that says that resistance is futile
2020-03-01T13:16:46 < jadew> and that letting it run its course is the quickest path to recovery
2020-03-01T13:18:08 < jadew> food time, ttyl
2020-03-01T13:21:09 < upgrdman> jadew, in the us: if you were in hubei in last 14 days you can forced quarantine. if not in hubei in the last 14 days but in china in the last 14 days, you have to "self quarantine" at home for 14 days.
2020-03-01T13:46:09 < jadew> upgrdman, same here, but what do you make of that story?
2020-03-01T13:46:20 < upgrdman> what story?
2020-03-01T13:46:27 < jadew> let me find the link
2020-03-01T13:47:10 < jadew> upgrdman, https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/fayko1/my_covid19_story_brooklyn/
2020-03-01T13:48:52 < upgrdman> heh, that sucks
2020-03-01T13:49:30 < upgrdman> iirc test kits are in limited availability, so maybe that's why
2020-03-01T13:49:51 < upgrdman> i fly to japan, then china... in 2 weeks :)
2020-03-01T13:50:00 < jadew> damn
2020-03-01T13:50:04 < jadew> good luck I guess
2020-03-01T13:50:11 < upgrdman> i was in china a week ago :)
2020-03-01T13:50:26 < jadew> where?
2020-03-01T13:50:39 < jadew> is everything normal over there?
2020-03-01T13:50:40 < upgrdman> i feel good tho. just under home quarantine for 2 weeks in the US.
2020-03-01T13:51:00 < upgrdman> shanghai. ~everyone is being careful, and things are "ok" i guess
2020-03-01T13:51:53 < upgrdman> i wish i could find some comfortable face mask tho. they all suck ass and tug on my nose, and fog my glasses
2020-03-01T13:52:24 < jadew> the pliable ones seem to be the most comfortable
2020-03-01T13:52:57 < jadew> don't know if 3M makes any like that tho
2020-03-01T13:57:11 < upgrdman> and i dont know about NY, but for me, the city health department called me to ask some questions, and gave me an emergency phone number to call if i feel sick.
2020-03-01T13:59:24 < upgrdman> unrelated: today i hit 14K youtube subs. god damn. i'm not even trying and it keeps getting bigger.
2020-03-01T13:59:34 < jadew> nice
2020-03-01T13:59:47 < upgrdman> i only posted one video in 2019. hahaha...
2020-03-01T14:00:05 < jadew> as I remember you had quite a few videos, no?
2020-03-01T14:00:06 < jpa-> which video?
2020-03-01T14:00:28 < jadew> actually I think I'm subscribed too, let me check :)
2020-03-01T14:00:51 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/user/upgrdman/videos
2020-03-01T14:01:12 < jpa-> it's the sexy red text
2020-03-01T14:01:57 < upgrdman> inorite
2020-03-01T14:05:16 < upgrdman> my next video will probably be of the new version of TelemtryViewer with webcam support. i better get my flir and note10 worked into that video, so I can SEO the fuck out of it. "Arduino 4K Telemetry with Flir Thermal Imaging" or some shit
2020-03-01T14:05:41 < jpa-> and cats
2020-03-01T14:10:00 < Steffanx> Flir some boobies
2020-03-01T14:10:13 < dongs> flir a fart
2020-03-01T14:10:18 < dongs> but you need to e-beg one of the 60fps ones
2020-03-01T14:10:22 < upgrdman> haha
2020-03-01T14:10:24 < dongs> 9fps shit is boring
2020-03-01T14:10:28 < upgrdman> ya
2020-03-01T14:10:30 < Steffanx> only 60fps?
2020-03-01T14:10:41 < Steffanx> slomo is the shit nowadays right?
2020-03-01T14:10:42 < dongs> i dont think there's faster flir or is there these days?
2020-03-01T14:12:29 < jadew> Iran seems to be in total disarray: https://twitter.com/aliostad/status/1233679302908137472
2020-03-01T14:13:16 < jadew> according to that account locals torched a hospital where a couple of ncov patients got transferred
2020-03-01T14:13:16 < Steffanx> "Heh you, go lay down in the floor. I'll make a pic and post in on twatter" .
2020-03-01T14:13:31 < dongs> nice
2020-03-01T14:13:33 < jadew> Steffanx, yeah, that's not excluded
2020-03-01T14:13:49 < jadew> Steffanx, except several officials died
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2020-03-01T14:14:15 < dongs> mmm there's a 1000fps flir cam
2020-03-01T14:14:19 < dongs> 640x512
2020-03-01T14:14:23 < dongs> i bet its no cheap
2020-03-01T14:16:02 < Steffanx> 29k fps too
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2020-03-01T14:27:04 < upgrdman> what kind of things benefit for 1000+ fps thermal imaging? i mean heat doesn't usually transfer that quick, no?
2020-03-01T14:28:00 < jpa-> maybe some spinning thing like turbine blades?
2020-03-01T14:28:11 < jpa-> though one could try to spin a slower camera in sync
2020-03-01T14:28:19 < Thorn> I would guess weapon, rocket engine etc testing
2020-03-01T14:28:25 < dongs> the flirs example was for bullet or something
2020-03-01T14:38:42 < englishman> jpa-: yeah the 25kHz thing is misleading, but why wouldn't we need an adc?
2020-03-01T14:39:43 < englishman> https://twitter.com/jillreports/status/1233870486670495745
2020-03-01T14:40:20 < dongs> im going to costco tomorrow...
2020-03-01T14:42:11 < jpa-> englishman: well, you can get pulse length with just comparator; and if you peak detect & low pass, you can get peak height that way also
2020-03-01T14:43:15 < englishman> how do you peak detect without an adc
2020-03-01T14:44:25 < englishman> the first unfortunately doesn't work due to thermal noise, DC level changes a lot
2020-03-01T14:54:54 < kakimir> you cannot buy over 30fps flir
2020-03-01T14:55:08 < kakimir> unless you are from us or so
2020-03-01T14:56:41 < englishman> yeah you get them from China
2020-03-01T14:57:11 < kakimir> does flir even have any equals?
2020-03-01T14:57:16 < englishman> there are tons of microbolometer mfgs in China now
2020-03-01T14:57:24 < kakimir> do they make their own imaging sensors?
2020-03-01T14:57:50 < englishman> imagers, modules, cameras
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2020-03-01T15:04:19 < kakimir> us export limitations double edged sword
2020-03-01T15:04:57 < specing> is there anything the chinese do not make nowadays?
2020-03-01T15:06:15 < kakimir> in some or most of product categories premium product is what they don't yet do
2020-03-01T15:06:24 < kakimir> product as in not only the physical device
2020-03-01T15:07:56 < kakimir> it's changing though
2020-03-01T15:13:27 < specing> What premium products do they not do?
2020-03-01T15:22:01 < kakimir> I bet many marginal product ranges
2020-03-01T15:22:50 < Thorn> fpgas, adcs
2020-03-01T15:23:08 < Thorn> mil spec / rad hard
2020-03-01T15:23:35 < Thorn> new gan/sic etc. power switches (not sure)
2020-03-01T15:25:55 < specing> Thorn: they have a space program, so I bet they produce rad hard stuff
2020-03-01T15:26:00 < specing> same with mil spec
2020-03-01T15:26:58 < specing> https://hackaday.com/2015/08/24/two-new-fpga-families-designed-in-china/
2020-03-01T15:35:13 < Lux> englishman: https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/opamp/opamp_7.html
2020-03-01T15:35:15 < Thorn> produce maybe, but can you buy it?
2020-03-01T15:35:20 < Lux> something like that should work
2020-03-01T15:36:29 < specing> Thorn: I guess you can, if you are a domestic customer
2020-03-01T15:36:38 < specing> they probably have some export controls of their own
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2020-03-01T15:39:38 < Lux> eh missed the previous talk :) so probably too simple
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2020-03-01T15:48:01 < Lux> but still pretty sure you could just solve it with some simple analog circuitry, don't know what else is on that board
2020-03-01T15:53:35 < dongs>  specing> https://hackaday.com/2015/08/24/two-new-fpga-families-designed-in-china/
2020-03-01T15:53:38 < dongs> ???
2020-03-01T15:53:40 < dongs> why did you link to 2015 news
2020-03-01T15:53:50 < dongs> i was reading that shit and it said like ice40 buttstream reverse engineerd "few months ago"
2020-03-01T15:53:58 < dongs> and i was like i thought that shits been around for years
2020-03-01T15:54:08 < dongs> followed link, yep 2015
2020-03-01T15:54:45 < specing> to prove Thorn worng?
2020-03-01T15:54:54 < specing> don't need 2020 news for that
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2020-03-01T16:15:17 < Mangy_Dog> what ide are the cool kids using to program there projects in now? Ive been using sloeber all this time but its just randomly stopped building new projects for something.... some clashing bug between java or something and so far googling doesnt seem to show any fix
2020-03-01T16:15:52 < Steffanx> never heard of sloeber. 
2020-03-01T16:15:52 < Mangy_Dog> just so you know im also using the arduino backend stuff... umm rogerclarks core
2020-03-01T16:16:03 < Mangy_Dog> its a eclipse extension/standalone
2020-03-01T16:16:05 < jpa-> i'm using vscode
2020-03-01T16:16:26 < Mangy_Dog> got vscode installed and currently trying to make heads or tails of it
2020-03-01T16:16:44 < jpa-> yeah, it's not a beginner ide
2020-03-01T16:16:47 < Mangy_Dog> i installed the arduino extension for it but cant seem to see any options for creating files
2020-03-01T16:17:11 < Mangy_Dog> i wouldnt call myself a beginner :p just dont know the layout
2020-03-01T16:17:14 < jpa-> right-click in the tree and select "Create file.."
2020-03-01T16:17:45 < Mangy_Dog> no project or location setting?
2020-03-01T16:18:01 < specing> Mangy_Dog: GPS
2020-03-01T16:18:08 < jpa-> well a directory is a project for vscode
2020-03-01T16:18:42 < Mangy_Dog> hmm
2020-03-01T16:19:03 < Mangy_Dog> and it just automatically links to the core libraries for auto code compleation and suggestions?
2020-03-01T16:19:09 < Mangy_Dog> and error highlighting?
2020-03-01T16:19:29 < jpa-> it does create .vscode directory for storing project specific options if you have some
2020-03-01T16:19:49 < jpa-> but many extensions etc. have sane defaults
2020-03-01T16:21:40 < Mangy_Dog> right ok... so saving the file and giving it the appropreate extension corrects formatting
2020-03-01T16:22:09 < Mangy_Dog> but doesnt link
2020-03-01T16:22:10 < Mangy_Dog> hmm
2020-03-01T16:26:32 < Mangy_Dog> clearly im missing a step
2020-03-01T16:27:40 < Mangy_Dog> I have the arduino extension built in as im using rogerclards core for a lot of stuff... But i clearly need to some how define the project as a arduino project or something....... as its not linking to any of the core stuff
2020-03-01T16:27:45 < Mangy_Dog> cant even set pinmode........
2020-03-01T16:32:15 < Thorn> Mangy_Dog: cool kids use gnu make
2020-03-01T16:32:26 < Mangy_Dog> gah
2020-03-01T16:36:21 < Thorn> and write makefiles by hand, of course
2020-03-01T16:36:34 < Thorn> this way you actually know what's going on during build
2020-03-01T16:36:52 < Thorn> IDEs are a cancer of embedded programming
2020-03-01T16:37:27 < Mangy_Dog> ive got by with themf or the past 5 years fine with ides :p
2020-03-01T16:37:35 < Mangy_Dog> but yeah sometimes they break too
2020-03-01T16:37:38 < Mangy_Dog> IE eclipse....
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2020-03-01T16:43:09 < karlp> well, if they've been fine, what went wrong that has led you to desire a change?
2020-03-01T16:43:36 < Mangy_Dog> its just suddenly stopped creating new files
2020-03-01T16:43:42 < Mangy_Dog> new project files
2020-03-01T16:43:49 < Mangy_Dog> and i have no idea why
2020-03-01T16:44:30 < Mangy_Dog> something has changed somewhere in the eclipse enviroment thats no longer working
2020-03-01T16:44:34 < karlp> ahh, best soluion, throw out the bathwater, find a new one...
2020-03-01T16:44:37 < tcth> > eclipse
2020-03-01T16:44:53 < Mangy_Dog> nods
2020-03-01T16:44:57 < Thorn> >eCl1p$3
2020-03-01T16:45:05 < Mangy_Dog> ive over the years had so many problems with it
2020-03-01T16:45:12 < Mangy_Dog> i really need a new stable working enviroment
2020-03-01T16:45:19 < tcth> what are your requirements?
2020-03-01T16:45:38 < tcth> For STM32 shit I found CrossWorks/CrossStudio to work well - also very affordable in any situation
2020-03-01T16:45:39 < Mangy_Dog> compatable with arduino core, ergo compatable with rogerclarks stm32 core
2020-03-01T16:45:49 < Mangy_Dog> and any other stm onnected fork that i choose to bring in
2020-03-01T16:48:01 < Mangy_Dog> Failed to create project java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException
2020-03-01T16:48:10 < Mangy_Dog> is what im currently getting in eclipse wheni try to make a new project
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2020-03-01T16:55:31 < Thorn> oh well >arduino. well then build system is not your primary problem
2020-03-01T17:01:05 < karlp> cheapest 6 usb-a-receptacles on digkey (6 vendors) have identical footprints.
2020-03-01T17:01:08  * oz4ga uses CrossWorks to
2020-03-01T17:01:19 < karlp> cheapst on lclsc are all different, and not compatible with any of them :)
2020-03-01T17:01:23  * karlp cross references more...
2020-03-01T17:02:06 < Steffanx> what about that code editor made by this swisser guy tcth :P
2020-03-01T17:04:49 < oz4ga> EmBitz ? It has gone haywire I think
2020-03-01T17:05:31 < oz4ga> the site went down due to a disk error a year or more ago
2020-03-01T17:06:17 < tcth> embitz was nice - then it became embitz
2020-03-01T17:07:46 < antto> muh IDE is universal so far ;P~
2020-03-01T17:09:34 < oz4ga> given a bit of thoughts isn't the emblock/embitz guy Dutch? Hes first name souded duch afair
2020-03-01T17:10:42 < antto> https://i.imgur.com/19RU7ie.png
2020-03-01T17:11:25 < Steffanx> You need a bigger screen sir.
2020-03-01T17:11:41 < Steffanx> More pixels.
2020-03-01T17:11:41 < antto> i got one now.. 1920x1200
2020-03-01T17:11:51 < jpa-> i was just about to say the same
2020-03-01T17:11:58 < antto> that's old screenshot
2020-03-01T17:12:10 < Steffanx> 15:33:22.. not that old
2020-03-01T17:12:21 < Steffanx> 52 not 22
2020-03-01T17:12:26 < rajkosto> antto, this takes me back to 1999
2020-03-01T17:13:06 < Thorn> antto: why do you put constexpr on functions that write to i/o ports? they're not going to nor are supposed to be evaluated a compile time
2020-03-01T17:13:06 < rajkosto> 4:3 aspect ratio too
2020-03-01T17:13:09 < rajkosto> is this on a CRT
2020-03-01T17:13:36 < rajkosto> because someone told him "constexpr all the things"
2020-03-01T17:13:43 < antto> rajkosto no, it was 5:4 LCD
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2020-03-01T17:15:42 < antto> Thorn cuz why not
2020-03-01T17:16:33 < Thorn> well if the compiler actually does what you want (if the ports aren't volatile) then you're going to have failures at run time
2020-03-01T17:17:00 < antto> i don't think i had fails
2020-03-01T17:17:20 < Thorn> which means its ignoring your constexpr
2020-03-01T17:17:28 < antto> btw, if you look closer you'd see that main() has nothing there, this was very early code
2020-03-01T17:17:40 < antto> i was writing sh*t and checking out what happens in the .lss
2020-03-01T17:19:12 < Mangy_Dog> managed to fix the problem with sloeber :o
2020-03-01T17:19:19 < Mangy_Dog> i guess ill stick with it for a little while longer
2020-03-01T17:19:27 < Mangy_Dog> (reinstalled it)
2020-03-01T17:19:42 < rajkosto> constexpr shouldnt be able to access non constexpr globals ?
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2020-03-01T17:46:33 < zyp> jpa-, think I got clock recovery figured out: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/jOMT4.png
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2020-03-01T17:56:28 < zyp> also, is there a way to save the analyzer setup in pulseview? it's getting kinda annoying to configure them again every time I open a new capture file
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2020-03-01T18:35:00 < aandrew> zyp: nice, you're writing your own classifier?
2020-03-01T18:36:15 < zyp> in sigrok you mean? that already exists
2020-03-01T18:36:48 < zyp> I'm currently working on the receiver part of my own usb controller
2020-03-01T18:37:12 < aandrew> HDL? 
2020-03-01T18:37:22 < zyp> yeah, migen/litex
2020-03-01T18:43:04 < zyp> I'm gonna try to get FS working first, while keeping it modular enough that I can drop in a HS ULPI PHY later
2020-03-01T18:43:27 < aandrew> nice
2020-03-01T18:43:59 < zyp> whether I ever get that far still remains to see, this is just for fun/learning and those projects tend to die off after a while :)
2020-03-01T18:47:46 < mawk> we're going to die Steffanx 
2020-03-01T18:47:50 < mawk> did you see what I said yesterday
2020-03-01T18:47:52 < mawk> it's in delft
2020-03-01T18:49:29 < mawk> a new one in rotterdam today too
2020-03-01T18:49:30 < Steffanx> Yeah doomsday is near
2020-03-01T18:49:31 < srk> zyp: you can use sigrok-cli to script the pipeline
2020-03-01T18:49:44 < Steffanx> We have 10 cases now mawk.
2020-03-01T18:49:53 < Steffanx> A hospital has been closed down
2020-03-01T18:49:56 < mawk> yes
2020-03-01T18:50:00 < mawk> beatrixziekenhuis
2020-03-01T18:50:37 < mawk> but that's in the middle of nowhere we're safe
2020-03-01T18:52:59 < jpa-> zyp: no, i don't think there is a good way to transfer decoder config between capture files; it remembers them if you capture from the same device, but not when loading from file
2020-03-01T18:53:28 < zyp> so decoder config is part of the file?
2020-03-01T18:53:39 < jpa-> i think it goes inside the .sr zip, yeah
2020-03-01T18:53:48 < zyp> then I guess I could hack it in
2020-03-01T18:54:54 < jpa-> hm, doesn't seem to go into .sr saves either in my version of pulseview, though i'm not on newest git
2020-03-01T18:55:36 < jpa-> https://www.sigrok.org/blog/pulseview-now-has-session-setup-saverestore-support
2020-03-01T18:55:47 < jpa-> hmm, maybe that would work for you?
2020-03-01T18:56:42 < zyp> that looks like it might be what I wanted
2020-03-01T18:57:26 < zyp> gonna download nightly and try
2020-03-01T19:03:45 < zyp> even better
2020-03-01T19:04:12 < zyp> if I've got a dump.sr and a dump.pvs, the latter is apparently loaded automatically when I open dump.sr
2020-03-01T19:04:22 < zyp> even when I replace it
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2020-03-01T19:06:36 < zyp> probably gonna break when I add or remove signals from the .sr, but still an improvement of no saving at all
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2020-03-01T19:13:36 < jpa-> zyp: out of curiosity, what does the .pvs file look like?
2020-03-01T19:14:37 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/70UXE
2020-03-01T19:15:43 < jpa-> heh, ini
2020-03-01T19:16:07 < zyp> that's what the metadata in the srzip is also
2020-03-01T19:16:10 < jpa-> yeah
2020-03-01T19:18:19 < zyp> oh, by the way, I added the litescope IO stuff to control the DP pullup as well
2020-03-01T19:18:22 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/VtjPJ
2020-03-01T19:18:56 < zyp> keeps the host from giving up on enumerating the device
2020-03-01T19:19:21 < zyp> start enumeration, capture the first packet that comes down the wire, then detach again
2020-03-01T19:19:41 < zyp> this is pretty damn neat
2020-03-01T19:19:46 < srk> cool
2020-03-01T19:20:17 < emeb> hmm... studying the STM32 QSPI docs to get this H750 + Lyontek QSPI RAM working... Seems that memory-mapped mode can only do reads or writes, but not both.
2020-03-01T19:20:57 < zyp> emeb, I'm of the impression it's meant for XIP flash, not ram
2020-03-01T19:21:06 < aandrew> I gotta spend some time with stm32-qemu and see where it is these days
2020-03-01T19:21:10 < zyp> didn't know it could to writes at all
2020-03-01T19:21:12 < aandrew> I don't think they're emulating the MAC yet
2020-03-01T19:21:13 < emeb> zyp: yep - that's what I'm thinking too.
2020-03-01T19:21:29 < emeb> writes may not be supported for memory mapped mode.
2020-03-01T19:22:05 < emeb> but even if they are you'd have to reconfigure the periph between read & write ops
2020-03-01T19:25:01 < jpa-> yeah, AN4760 says writes are only possible in indirect mode
2020-03-01T19:25:40 < zyp> good enough for flash, not very convenient for ram
2020-03-01T19:25:52 < emeb> exactly
2020-03-01T19:27:22 < jpa-> looks like STM32L4 and STM32L5 OctoSPI has support for memory mapped writes also
2020-03-01T19:27:54 < emeb> interesting - I'm seeing more & more octospi / hyperram stuff showing up.
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2020-03-01T19:28:16 < emeb> interesting that it's only on the L-series parts tho
2020-03-01T19:28:29 < jpa-> STM32H7A3 also
2020-03-01T19:28:38 < emeb> aha
2020-03-01T19:29:12 < fenugrec> octospi... have we gone full circle and come back to a byte-wide bus ?
2020-03-01T19:29:36 < jpa-> even quadspi does 8 bits already :)
2020-03-01T19:30:03 < jpa-> octospi does up to 16 bits apparently
2020-03-01T19:30:12 < emeb> lol
2020-03-01T19:35:08 < jpa-> (actually looks like octospi still does only 8 bits, but there are 2 octospi interfaces on STM32H7A3)
2020-03-01T19:35:21 < emeb> gang 'em up
2020-03-01T19:35:40 < Cracki> how is that not a parallel bus
2020-03-01T19:35:49 < jpa-> Cracki: it totally is
2020-03-01T19:35:57 < Cracki> PPI
2020-03-01T19:36:20 < Cracki> wonder who'll (or has) invented SPI with lvds
2020-03-01T19:37:45 < zyp> one of the sensors in my workstuff is using some differential serial shit
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2020-03-01T19:38:10 < zyp> it's hooked up to a rs485 transceiver connected to the spi peripheral
2020-03-01T19:38:14 < jpa-> Cracki: i think MIPI DSI is pretty similar to SPI over LVDS
2020-03-01T19:38:15 < zyp> tx clk, rx data
2020-03-01T19:38:44 < Cracki> nothing new under the sun
2020-03-01T19:39:15 < Cracki> no point in complicating it, and it doesn't get simpler than that
2020-03-01T19:41:16 < jpa-> well, differential buses with data in the same pair with clock are nicer to route than SPI style stuff with separate clock
2020-03-01T19:43:56 < zyp> you mean self clocked stuff?
2020-03-01T19:44:10 < zyp> easier to route, more work to decode :)
2020-03-01T19:45:35 < qyx> jpa-: L4+
2020-03-01T19:45:36 < qyx> too
2020-03-01T19:45:47 < qyx> I am about to do L4+ or similar with hyperram/hyperflash
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2020-03-01T21:45:00 < Laurenceb> lol stuuupid spacex
2020-03-01T21:45:12 < Laurenceb> should have 3d printed woket
2020-03-01T21:45:18 < Laurenceb> eveyone knows dat
2020-03-01T21:45:22 < Laurenceb>  /reddit
2020-03-01T21:59:43 < Cracki> any greeks here? how's your border doing?
2020-03-01T22:03:27 < Laurenceb> keeek wtf
2020-03-01T22:03:36 < Laurenceb> >try yandex as google alternative
2020-03-01T22:03:54 < Laurenceb> >dailystormer seems to appear on the first page no matter what I search for
2020-03-01T22:04:03 < Laurenceb> its like anti google
2020-03-01T22:04:53 < Laurenceb> I think they are trollin everyone tbh
2020-03-01T22:10:20 < Laurenceb> fully expecting to see "Putins haxor forumz" appearing at this rate
2020-03-01T22:16:54 < aandrew> ok, RF question
2020-03-01T22:16:56 < aandrew> https://www.amazon.ca/433MHZ-Antenna-Signal-Amplifier-Meters/dp/B07DMXSX45/ref=pd_sbs_147_1/145-7774893-5725332
2020-03-01T22:17:00 < aandrew> is that a decent antenna (dipole) for 433MHz? I will NOT have a ground plane so that seems my best bet
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2020-03-01T22:21:25 < jadew> aandrew, I made a similar one for 433 MHz
2020-03-01T22:21:28 < jadew> works pretty well
2020-03-01T22:23:38 < aandrew> this is going up on the roof of a house, so no ground plane, which is why I don't want to use those coiled spring antennas or any mag mount stuff that assumes a huge plane under it
2020-03-01T22:26:01 < jadew> that coax is probably going to be bad
2020-03-01T22:27:17 < jadew> if it's going to the roof, you'll need something much better than that
2020-03-01T22:33:14 < aandrew> yeah I may end up putting an LNA in the attic
2020-03-01T22:33:30 < aandrew> have to see; it will be tricky if I do end up going TX/RX
2020-03-01T22:35:38 < jadew> look for an antenna with a coaxial connector on the antenna itself
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2020-03-01T22:35:57 < jadew> you'll figure the details later
2020-03-01T22:37:03 < Steffanx> Why all the cheapish laptops with a semi decent screen with touch are chromebooks -_-
2020-03-01T22:37:34 < specing> That's not necessarily bad
2020-03-01T22:38:40 < Steffanx> Yes it is. The screens are mostly the only decent part. Low amount of ram and crappy cpu. Probably the reason why they can be so low priced.
2020-03-01T22:41:20 < specing> no need for windows
2020-03-01T22:42:18 < Steffanx> Yes there is. That's my main need for it :P
2020-03-01T22:42:34 < Steffanx> Some software does not run on LUNIX.
2020-03-01T22:43:21 < specing> Make it run there
2020-03-01T22:43:42 < specing> All the serious software runs on GNU+Linux
2020-03-01T22:45:20 < Steffanx> specing, we should go on a tour down memory lane together.
2020-03-01T22:45:23 < Steffanx> The past where specing was so anti-trolling and kinda SJWing :P
2020-03-01T22:45:57 < specing> ?
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2020-03-01T22:46:16 < Steffanx> oh dementia kicked it
2020-03-01T22:46:17 < specing> GNU+Linux is the only serious platform, I don't understand why you have a need to troll
2020-03-01T22:48:05 < doomba> lieunix
2020-03-01T22:48:39 < tcth> lunix
2020-03-01T22:54:23 < Steffanx> sup mr tcth
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2020-03-01T22:57:19 < tcth> not much
2020-03-01T22:57:20 < tcth> there?
2020-03-01T22:58:26 < Steffanx> Same
2020-03-01T23:00:28 < tcth> good
2020-03-01T23:00:39 < tcth> do you think they will ever bring back under the dome?
2020-03-01T23:01:00 < Steffanx> Lol. Nah, i already forgot about it. 
2020-03-01T23:01:08 < tcth> how did you managed that?
2020-03-01T23:01:19 < tcth> I can literally not watch any episode of any series without thinking of it
2020-03-01T23:01:30 < Steffanx> I replaced it with more useless information
2020-03-01T23:07:06 < Laurenceb> GNU PLUS LUNIX
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2020-03-01T23:12:54 < qyx> woohoo, so actually kicad removes redundant footprints from the pcb
2020-03-01T23:13:05 < qyx> idk why it was not working
2020-03-01T23:13:33 < antto> just press ze F8
2020-03-01T23:13:44 < antto> k*c*d is grate
2020-03-01T23:14:56 < Steffanx> nay.
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2020-03-01T23:19:32 < qyx> so, this is the next https://www.mouser.sk/ProductDetail/Amphenol-Commercial-Products/U77-A111L-2081?qs=%2Fha2pyFadug90CjOhbYUcQz2WP0yLTAUi1mRyKHylaCfFo2VDb13tQ%3D%3D
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2020-03-01T23:40:22 < Thorn> I ordered a moka pot
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2020-03-02T00:53:55 < qyx> ok so additionaly to my fedex parcel being stuck in budapest, their tracking no longer works
2020-03-02T00:55:19 < qyx> also it rains and corona is approaching
2020-03-02T01:01:34 < oz4ga> 4th corona infected here. It's also raining and my current f411 project crashes :s
2020-03-02T01:04:16 < oz4ga> Those new f401/f411 "black pill" from Ali seems fine, excep they put an USB C connector on them instead of USB micro
2020-03-02T01:04:42 < qyx> 0 here, but many in .at and 3 in .cz
2020-03-02T01:04:50 < qyx> so it is a matter of time
2020-03-02T01:07:56 < oz4ga> qyx: where are you located? .sk?
2020-03-02T01:08:17 < qyx> yep
2020-03-02T01:08:39 < oz4ga> .dk here
2020-03-02T01:26:12 < Steffanx> Time to close the border with germany
2020-03-02T01:29:49 < jadew> did a little math to answer to a post on eevblog, ncov is 5.5 times worse than SARS at this point in its development, and 21 times worse than the swine flu
2020-03-02T01:31:14 < jadew> (judging by the number of deaths)
2020-03-02T01:31:15 < Steffanx> Just wait till it's over. Then you can redo the math
2020-03-02T01:32:04 < qyx> with some probability
2020-03-02T01:32:23 < jadew> Steffanx, if it stops soon, it won't be worse than the swine flu
2020-03-02T01:32:40 < jadew> if it doesn't, it's going to make it look like a common cold
2020-03-02T01:33:10 < jadew> that ratio is a result of exponential growth, so it's going to get larger as time goes on
2020-03-02T01:34:11 < Steffanx> Perhaps all weak people died already. We all get sick, no more people die.
2020-03-02T01:34:23 < Steffanx> By the time it's done you can redo your math :P
2020-03-02T01:34:26 < jadew> heh
2020-03-02T01:35:37 < BrainDamage> calculating total deaths is not a particularly useful metric
2020-03-02T01:36:14 < jadew> well, it's the direct results that abstracts away infectivity and case fatality rate
2020-03-02T01:36:28 < BrainDamage> you can have for instance a recurrence of sars, and it'd be way worse than this
2020-03-02T01:37:04 < BrainDamage> it's not that simple because there's also many environmental factors involved
2020-03-02T01:37:18 < BrainDamage> travel, place of origin, time of discovery, etc etc
2020-03-02T01:37:45 < jadew> BrainDamage, I calculated based on day 1 being the day with the same number of deaths for all 3 viruses
2020-03-02T01:37:56 < jadew> I choose 17
2020-03-02T01:38:02 < jadew> chose
2020-03-02T01:38:03 < BrainDamage> time of discovery matters
2020-03-02T01:38:36 < BrainDamage> if you discover a sickness after it has already infected 100 people, it's way worse than if you discover after it infected 10
2020-03-02T01:38:48 < BrainDamage> due to exponential growth
2020-03-02T01:40:16 < Steffanx> I thought you said you kinda moved on jadew :P
2020-03-02T01:40:36 < jadew> Steffanx, I did, but I read a comment and had to answer :P
2020-03-02T01:40:44 < jadew> I hope I did anyway lol
2020-03-02T01:41:33 < qyx> related, rice was sold out today
2020-03-02T01:42:01 < qyx> and unrelated, https://i.imgur.com/5nw0rxv.png
2020-03-02T01:42:35 < jadew> what's wrong with that picture? it looks fuzzy
2020-03-02T01:42:56 < zyp> qyx, nice
2020-03-02T01:42:59 < BrainDamage> sfp chastity cage
2020-03-02T01:43:38 < qyx> jadew: antialiasing turned on
2020-03-02T01:44:39 < qyx> now I need to find a 3 port SGMII switch
2020-03-02T01:47:52 < zyp> say, if I have n random bits, what's the statistical chance for them containing six ones in a row?
2020-03-02T01:48:05 < zyp> (at least)
2020-03-02T01:48:11 < BrainDamage> is the probability independent?
2020-03-02T01:48:42 < Laurenceb> no homo for usa
2020-03-02T01:48:51 < BrainDamage> if yes, it's a poisson distribution
2020-03-02T01:49:04 < zyp> independent in what sense?
2020-03-02T01:49:31 < BrainDamage> the probability of getting a 1, does not depend on the previous values
2020-03-02T01:49:51 < zyp> for n=6, probability would be 1/64, for n=7 probability would be 3/128 and so on
2020-03-02T01:49:59 < qyx> he said random
2020-03-02T01:50:25 < BrainDamage> you can have random and still have conditioned probability
2020-03-02T01:51:18 < BrainDamage> anyway, if they are independent from each other, it's just (probability of 1)^n
2020-03-02T01:51:35 < zyp> I'm trying to capture a SOF packet with a bit stuff event in it, and I've done a bunch of captures now without catching one
2020-03-02T01:52:06 < qyx> catch them all.
2020-03-02T01:52:44 < zyp> I could probably set a trigger on it, but the fpga is ~full and I'm lazy
2020-03-02T01:52:57 < zyp> ah, got one
2020-03-02T01:55:34 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/IT7qA.png <- shit's working in some sense, bottom line is the output of my receiver/deserializer
2020-03-02T01:58:26 < zyp> need to add a FSM to properly handle packet boundaries and errors and shit, and then I've more or less got the receiver part of a FS PHY working
2020-03-02T01:58:53 < zyp> transmitter should be even easier
2020-03-02T02:00:03 < zyp> don't think I'm getting that far before I get a larger fpga though
2020-03-02T02:09:10 < qyx> hm, for a 8P8C shielded connector
2020-03-02T02:09:24 < qyx> if PCB signal ground == chassis ground
2020-03-02T02:09:54 < qyx> the CAP between 8P8C chassis and signal ground is redundant, isn't it?
2020-03-02T02:10:46 < qyx> yes, retarded idea
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2020-03-02T02:24:06 < emeb> qspi writes / reads working in indirect mode. next up: get mem mapped reads working.
2020-03-02T02:24:31 < zyp> nice
2020-03-02T02:25:10 < emeb> lol @ cubemx GPIO inits - had speed set to low. 100MHz clocks don't work when that is set. :P
2020-03-02T02:25:43 < qyx> emeb: using cube to do qspi?
2020-03-02T02:26:03 < emeb> nah - just used it for GPIO setup.
2020-03-02T02:26:12 < qyx> so manipulating registers?
2020-03-02T02:26:27 < emeb> easy to hit "Generate Code" and copypasta the hal_msp_init stuff.
2020-03-02T02:26:53 < qyx> I am asking if it is going to be easy to steal your code
2020-03-02T02:27:04 < emeb> but I am using the high-level HAL routines for indirect access.
2020-03-02T02:27:09 < catphish> zyp: i see a triangle number over a power of 2
2020-03-02T02:27:14 < doomba> https://www.donaldjtrump.com/nsdjfhsdf
2020-03-02T02:27:32 < catphish> 1,3,6,10,15 over 2^n
2020-03-02T02:28:00 < catphish> i assume that's the correct answer?
2020-03-02T02:28:25 < zyp> idk
2020-03-02T02:28:42 < catphish> i'll finish calculating it
2020-03-02T02:28:57 < zyp> hmm, no, that's not right
2020-03-02T02:29:29 < zyp> 1, 3, 8
2020-03-02T02:31:10 < zyp> if M is six ones, you've got M00, M01, 0M0, 00M, 10M, M10, 0M1, M11 that are all unique
2020-03-02T02:32:04 < catphish> are some of those the same?
2020-03-02T02:32:14 < zyp> «… that are all unique»
2020-03-02T02:32:53 < catphish> :(
2020-03-02T02:33:01 < zyp> I assume you forgot the M01 and 10M cases
2020-03-02T02:34:34 < catphish> i actually simplified it to the two ones case rather than six ones
2020-03-02T02:35:07 < catphish> which may not be the same, but i feel like it should be
2020-03-02T02:35:47 < catphish> you have the same number of "don't care" digita
2020-03-02T02:35:52 < catphish> *digits
2020-03-02T02:36:16 < catphish> yes, i forgot M01 and 10M like you said!
2020-03-02T02:37:32 < qyx> I copied a schematic but I suspect it to be wrong https://i.imgur.com/YfRIew6.png
2020-03-02T02:37:35 < catphish> i believe it's the same for any n digits in n+x digits though
2020-03-02T02:37:52 < catphish> ie 2 in 4 is the same as 6 in 8
2020-03-02T02:38:20 < zyp> qyx, is that a socket without magnetics?
2020-03-02T02:38:25 < qyx> yes
2020-03-02T02:38:29 < zyp> then it's totally wrong
2020-03-02T02:38:31 < catphish> so perhaps it can be simplified if you take it down to *1* one on a row
2020-03-02T02:38:42 < zyp> 4/5 is one pair, 3/6 is another
2020-03-02T02:38:51 < qyx> yeah
2020-03-02T02:38:54 < qyx> https://i.imgur.com/mZg5aOg.png
2020-03-02T02:39:04 < qyx> but in the evaluation board is is drawn like this
2020-03-02T02:39:22 < zyp> that looks correct
2020-03-02T02:39:34 < qyx> how so
2020-03-02T02:39:46 < zyp> CH2 is 4/5, CH3 is 3/6
2020-03-02T02:39:49 < qyx> wat
2020-03-02T02:39:51 < qyx> fuk
2020-03-02T02:40:00 < qyx> me blind
2020-03-02T02:40:24 < qyx> lol, thanks
2020-03-02T02:40:50 < zyp> I like magjacks, they reorder/rearrange the pins as they like
2020-03-02T02:41:01 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/EBXVH.png <- e.g. like this
2020-03-02T02:41:30 < qyx> I hate them because of uncommon footprints
2020-03-02T02:41:35 < zyp> protip; rearrange your RJ45 symbol by pairs instead of pin number
2020-03-02T02:42:15 < zyp> eh, I believe the most common magjack footprints have good multi-vendor availability
2020-03-02T02:42:19 < emeb> hmm.. mem map seems to work but there appears to be some sort of foo required to switch out of mem map mode back to indirect.
2020-03-02T02:43:25 < catphish> nope, my maths fails me again, i suck at this :(
2020-03-02T02:47:47 < qyx> now it is better
2020-03-02T02:48:00 < qyx> I rearranged my pro wires
2020-03-02T02:55:03 < emeb> OK - so HAL's QSPI API doesn't allow you to exit mem map mode - turning on mem map mode locks out all subsequent access to the periph via HAL - you have to DeInit() / Init() to return to indirect mode. :P
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2020-03-02T03:02:42 < zyp> nice
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2020-03-02T03:04:29 < ds2> is that lockout via the MPU?
2020-03-02T03:10:09 < catphish> zyp: i can't solve your maths problem and now i hate you.
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2020-03-02T03:11:41 < zyp> catphish, nice :D
2020-03-02T03:12:43 < catphish> it's almost this http://oeis.org/wiki/Bernoulli%27s_triangle over n^2
2020-03-02T03:13:04 < catphish> but it breaks down when n > 2m
2020-03-02T03:13:09 < catphish> so, i quit
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2020-03-02T03:24:08 < Laurenceb> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/assets/48895.0/1617186.jpg
2020-03-02T03:24:11 < Laurenceb> musk at wurk
2020-03-02T03:25:08 < Laurenceb> at this rate the next starship prototype will fail at 50cm height
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2020-03-02T05:06:17 < Laurenceb> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18336615
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2020-03-02T05:28:35 < englishman> can Americans even survive on rice? shouldn't they be buying frozen hot dogs
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2020-03-02T12:02:19 < karlp> iceland ratio of covid in the captial area: 12ppm, italy nationwide: 16ppm, italians on holidays in iceland, barred from entering shops and yelled "we don't need  your kind here"
2020-03-02T12:02:23 < karlp> good job iceland, well done.
2020-03-02T12:18:03 < qyx> :D
2020-03-02T12:23:18 < jadew> karlp, it's because they're trying to play it down so now nobody knows what the truth is in Italy
2020-03-02T12:24:27 < jadew> they did that because it affected their tourism industry really bad, but I think the effect of those measures were worse than if they were upfront about the whole thing
2020-03-02T12:24:46 < jadew> now even if they get the situation under control, nobody will believe them
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2020-03-02T13:27:58 < Steffanx> Secretly everyone in Romania is already dead, but they forgot to tell jadew.
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2020-03-02T13:44:56 < englishman> large local co got hit with ransomware
2020-03-02T13:45:00 < englishman> $6m demand
2020-03-02T13:45:14 < englishman> 4k computers, 12 days so far downtime
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2020-03-02T14:09:32 < doomba> the company wasn't paying taxes?
2020-03-02T14:09:42 < doomba> so the gov hit them with ransomware
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2020-03-02T14:13:01 < aandrew> jadew: they (the italians) kept some massive festival on, unreal
2020-03-02T14:13:13 < aandrew> yeah I heard there was a case in Timisoara
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2020-03-02T14:24:39 < jadew> aandrew, yeah, that guy came from a no-risk zone in Italy
2020-03-02T14:24:52 < jadew> englishman, no backups?
2020-03-02T14:25:32 < englishman> yeah, but to reimage 4k computers in 25 countries
2020-03-02T14:25:42 < englishman> while in tax season
2020-03-02T14:25:42 < jadew> yeah, that sounds bad
2020-03-02T14:34:39 < jadew> did they pay?
2020-03-02T14:34:46 < sync> englishman: beginners
2020-03-02T14:35:23 < sync> when norsk hydro was hit, they just told their assistants to get out the typewriter from the drawer and keep on working
2020-03-02T14:37:00 < englishman> altium underwood
2020-03-02T14:37:24 < englishman> |--o--
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2020-03-02T15:01:30 < jadew> meanwhile: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY8iB2kLN5k
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2020-03-02T15:39:55 < jadew> china found a solution: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51697800
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2020-03-02T15:53:46 < Mangy_Dog> jadew be happy its no the final solusion D:
2020-03-02T15:54:05 < Mangy_Dog> tbh thats where its going to head
2020-03-02T15:54:23 < Mangy_Dog> frankly china cant carry on and franky the west cant keep appeasing this :/
2020-03-02T15:54:25 < kakimir> are we already talking about final solutions ##covid32
2020-03-02T15:55:06 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJzvrDBQwOE
2020-03-02T15:55:35 < kakimir> comma II level 2 autonomous driving
2020-03-02T15:55:52 < Mangy_Dog> i dont think comfortable about this
2020-03-02T15:55:53 < Mangy_Dog> D:
2020-03-02T15:56:41 < Mangy_Dog> its also fdm printed case
2020-03-02T15:57:43 < kakimir> they need to shave cost somewhere
2020-03-02T15:57:59 < kakimir> also it's more like buying a prototype than a product
2020-03-02T15:58:25 < Mangy_Dog> tbh the idea of open source self driving alone feels uncomfortable
2020-03-02T15:58:26 < kakimir> basically it's a powerful android phone with small interface board
2020-03-02T15:58:33 < Mangy_Dog> thats the other thing
2020-03-02T15:58:56 < Mangy_Dog> the cpu just isnt pwoerful enough for the level of AI and number crunching for propper self driving
2020-03-02T15:58:57 < Mangy_Dog> D:
2020-03-02T15:59:32 < kakimir> new phones have dedicated AI accelerators
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2020-03-02T15:59:40 < kakimir> and getting better and faster every iteration
2020-03-02T16:01:39 < kakimir> so I see the logic in it to use android phone
2020-03-02T16:02:44 < Mangy_Dog> genuingly im not against open source.... but lets face it with something as so critical as self driving cars.... And the general experience of open source software (being that quite often it doesnt always work) it genuingly makes me feel a little uncomfortable that this is being put out there...
2020-03-02T16:03:03 < Mangy_Dog> not to mention, has it even had fully rigerous testing?
2020-03-02T16:03:48 < kakimir> you are the crash test dummy
2020-03-02T16:04:04 < Mangy_Dog> i ride a motorbike and i certainly wouldnt want to be around a car being piloted by this
2020-03-02T16:05:19 < kakimir> I ride a motorbike and I certainly wouldn't want to be around a car being piloted by a person
2020-03-02T16:05:30 < Mangy_Dog> i trust a person more than that phone
2020-03-02T16:05:57 < kakimir> those problems can be systematically addressed and fixed
2020-03-02T16:06:02 < Mangy_Dog> people are cunts and bad drivers you can oftern spot by the way they drive
2020-03-02T16:06:17 < Mangy_Dog> a automated car just drives.... and youll never know if its buggy or even working properly
2020-03-02T16:06:31 < Mangy_Dog> again i dont want to be the crash test dummy
2020-03-02T16:07:32 < kakimir> as a motorcyclist you are nevertheless a crash test dummy
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2020-03-02T17:56:44 < emeb> wrote my own function to disable QSPI mem map mode since HAL API doesn't have one. Works great. No need to reinit the QSPI port just to switch out of that mode.
2020-03-02T17:57:41 < emeb> sekrit recipe: send an abort cmd, wait for !BUSY then change modes. And don't forget to update the state of the HAL tracking structs.
2020-03-02T18:03:02 < kakimir> is there any interesting logic stuff in stm32f427?
2020-03-02T18:03:28 < kakimir> I want interrupt in case 8bit wide input is in certain value
2020-03-02T18:09:07 < kakimir> actually 9 bits
2020-03-02T18:11:39 < kakimir> what is it called
2020-03-02T18:12:00 < kakimir> 0.5eur avr had one too
2020-03-02T18:12:12 < kakimir> it was hmm 4inputs max
2020-03-02T18:12:29 < kakimir> also externally there was in that package only like 2inputs
2020-03-02T18:12:52 < kakimir> propagation delay was like.. 5ns
2020-03-02T18:13:48 < kakimir> wait it had like 2 outputs but multiple inputs
2020-03-02T18:15:20 < Thorn> kakimir: look at lpc15xx
2020-03-02T18:17:49 < kakimir>  you mean there is no such logic thing in f427?
2020-03-02T18:18:54 < Thorn> I don't recall such a thing in any stm32 actually
2020-03-02T18:19:37 < jpa-> usually you'd just stick FPGA next to STM32 if you needed that
2020-03-02T18:20:36 < kakimir> well I think I just bind interrupt to one of the bytes and poll
2020-03-02T18:21:35 < kakimir> people use fpgas for smallest of things
2020-03-02T18:22:02 < jpa-> why wouldn't they? there are plenty of small FPGAs
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2020-03-02T18:26:03 < kakimir> is there anything in stm that could sample pins with rising edge to one pin?
2020-03-02T18:26:14 < jpa-> DCMI
2020-03-02T18:27:12 < jpa-> and parallel slave interface in the ones that have it, but it is basically just extension of DCMI anyway
2020-03-02T18:27:35 < kakimir> that could do
2020-03-02T18:27:40 < jpa-> though if you are ok with a few clocks of delay, you can also just have the trigger go into a timer and have the timer generate DMA request and have DMA transfer from GPIO to RAM
2020-03-02T18:29:35 < jpa-> if you are really crazy, you can also have it DMA your bytes into CNT register of a stopped timer and then have compare interrupt from it
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2020-03-02T18:34:21 < kakimir> that sounds just perfect!
2020-03-02T18:34:28 < kakimir> that is the attitude!
2020-03-02T18:35:09 < Thorn> you may be crazy but are you Kakimir Crazy™?
2020-03-02T18:35:36 < jpa-> fortunately STM32 DCMI is crazy enough to accept JPEGs with 14 bits per byte
2020-03-02T18:40:34 < kakimir> paraller slave you say?
2020-03-02T18:40:38 < kakimir> *parallel
2020-03-02T18:40:44 < kakimir> could it do nand?
2020-03-02T18:42:38 < kakimir> actually
2020-03-02T18:43:48  * jpa- is just waiting for < kakimir> meh, i'll just replace all this with ECP5
2020-03-02T18:44:02 < kakimir> I should try to avoid using that SRAM chip
2020-03-02T18:44:26 < kakimir> it would make it even more simple
2020-03-02T18:45:11 < zyp> jpa-, that'd be too easy, needs to shoehorn it into one of the smallest ice40
2020-03-02T18:45:22 < emeb> +1 for ice40
2020-03-02T18:45:28 < emeb> cheep & cheerful
2020-03-02T18:45:49 < zyp> mine's full
2020-03-02T18:46:01 < emeb> full of what?
2020-03-02T18:46:04 < zyp> not impressed by how little I could stuff into HX1K
2020-03-02T18:46:29 < emeb> gah - hx1k is too small for anything but routing signals from one pin to another.
2020-03-02T18:46:36 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/IT7qA.png <- this
2020-03-02T18:47:14 < emeb> does it work?
2020-03-02T18:47:26 < zyp> i.e. the RX part of a very simple USB FS PHY and litescope with uart wishbone bridge
2020-03-02T18:47:34 < zyp> well, yeah
2020-03-02T18:48:01 < emeb> doing that all on an icestick?
2020-03-02T18:48:17 < zyp> the bottom line is the output of my deserializer, 80 is the SYNC packet, a5 is PID, f1 13 is frame number and crc
2020-03-02T18:48:34 < zyp> yes
2020-03-02T18:48:43 < emeb> nice
2020-03-02T18:49:33 < kakimir> could stm32f427 act as sram?
2020-03-02T18:49:37 < kakimir> 16bit
2020-03-02T18:50:05 < jpa-> that's quite little, considering my usb rx phy + address follower + address filter + packet type filter + repeated packets filter + output fifo only took 1300 LEs on ICE65
2020-03-02T18:50:41 < emeb> audiophool: https://wathifi.com/
2020-03-02T18:52:12 < emeb> “Found that a function called memcpy was the culprit, most memory players use memcpy and this is one of the reasons why memory play sounds worse ie digital sounding. Fortunately there is an optimised version of memcpy from [x], using this version removes the hard edge produced by memcpy.”
2020-03-02T18:56:21 < Ultrasauce> ooh lots of good shit there
2020-03-02T18:56:22 < Ultrasauce> https://jcat.eu/featured/m12-switch-gold/
2020-03-02T18:59:09 < zyp> jpa-, well, most of it is the scope and stuff
2020-03-02T18:59:48 < emeb> get yourself an icebreaker w/ UP5k and go up-market.
2020-03-02T19:00:31 < emeb> zyp: did you see my exchange w/ xobs about foboot?
2020-03-02T19:00:40 < emeb> over on ##openfpga...
2020-03-02T19:01:32 < emeb> apparently the litex-vexriscv + icestorm toolchain is so fragile that it'll only build with a specific set of tools with specific random seeds.
2020-03-02T19:01:58 < zyp> heh
2020-03-02T19:02:33 < emeb> so he carries around a "golden build" of all the tools to ensure a usable bitstream.
2020-03-02T19:03:14 < emeb> FOSS - sometimes I don't even...
2020-03-02T19:03:57 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, though that kind of eats into the usefulness of litescope if it fills up so much of a small FPGA to do basic captures
2020-03-02T19:04:01 < zyp> emeb, so far I'm finding it more pleasant to work with than ISE ever was
2020-03-02T19:04:15 < emeb> zyp: absolutely. I like it in general. 
2020-03-02T19:04:37 < emeb> I suspect that the foboot issue is a combination of corner cases & user overreach
2020-03-02T19:04:43 < Laurenceb> argg freaking cars
2020-03-02T19:04:50 < Laurenceb> Fix Or Repair Daily
2020-03-02T19:04:59 < Laurenceb> >new fuel injectors
2020-03-02T19:05:14 < Laurenceb> >engine still running rough with engine warning light
2020-03-02T19:05:32 < jpa-> why not ride the baby shaker
2020-03-02T19:05:43 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-02T19:06:02 < Laurenceb> gunna take it to the garage tbh
2020-03-02T19:06:04 < Thorn> 24 hospitalized and 83 quarantined in Moscow, all had contacts with a confirmed case who returned from Italy by air
2020-03-02T19:06:32 < Thorn> Italy will fuck up the whole Europe
2020-03-02T19:09:37 < jpa-> and then their economy will crash and they'll fuck Europe again
2020-03-02T19:12:03 < zyp> jpa-, IMO it's more a matter of the usefulness of a small FPGA
2020-03-02T19:12:33 < jpa-> zyp: that too
2020-03-02T19:13:12 < zyp> I'm using 1154 out of 1280 available cells
2020-03-02T19:13:23 < jpa-> though small fpga designs are usually simple enough that external LA is enough also
2020-03-02T19:13:32 < zyp> sure
2020-03-02T19:14:04 < zyp> could have litescope running on a second fpga next to the target :)
2020-03-02T19:14:21 < emeb> it's fpgas all the way down
2020-03-02T19:15:11 < zyp> I wonder how smart the wishbone code is, wonder if it's instancing a full crossbar to connect one master and one slave
2020-03-02T19:16:38 < zyp> I mean, litescope naturally has a lot of overhead when you consider I'm instancing a whole wishbone bus with a bridge and stuff just to talk to it
2020-03-02T19:16:51 < zyp> much less overhead if the bus is already there as part of the design
2020-03-02T19:19:21 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/Li8i1 <- this is what's being instanced at the moment
2020-03-02T19:20:03 < zyp> yesterday I had a design that wouldn't fit, so I tried reducing the CSR bus width to 8-bit
2020-03-02T19:20:18 < zyp> that actually made it consume a few more cells, but managed to route
2020-03-02T19:20:29 < jpa-> does that toolchain have anything to visualize the netlist?
2020-03-02T19:20:35 < zyp> yes
2020-03-02T19:20:55 < zyp> hang on
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2020-03-02T19:22:53 < zyp> you mean stuff like this, right: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/9pyoF.png
2020-03-02T19:23:45 < jpa-> something like that
2020-03-02T19:24:00 < jpa-> but yeah, as usual, not very useful in screenshots - i should play with it sometime :)
2020-03-02T19:24:32 < zyp> I haven't played much with it, just spent some hours fixing a segfault that prevented me from playing with it :p
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2020-03-02T19:25:47 < zyp> hmm, lattice naming is a bit deceptive
2020-03-02T19:25:58 < zyp> HX8K is only six times larger than HX1K
2020-03-02T19:26:33 < Thorn> we need additive technologies for semiconductors so that anyone can design a chip and have it manufactured
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2020-03-02T19:27:17 < zyp> I was of the impression that semiconductor manufacturing were already additive
2020-03-02T19:27:51 < zyp> adding smaller and smaller doped wells into larger ones
2020-03-02T19:30:17 < kakimir> what is typical DMA performance/Mhz 16bit wide from gpio to ram?
2020-03-02T19:30:29 < kakimir> any ballpark figures?
2020-03-02T19:31:44 < emeb> zyp: all fpga sizing is deceptive.
2020-03-02T19:32:59 < emeb> Thorn: 3D printers but for semiconductors. Load up the reprap with some N or P doped filament and go.
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2020-03-02T19:34:10 < jpa-> kakimir: typically 6 cycles for a one word DMA transfer if you only do one word per transfer
2020-03-02T19:34:16 < Thorn> yes, form the structures from molten pre-doped semiconductor, insulator and metal. you can do multilayer chips that way (semiconductor, metals, then more semiconductor)
2020-03-02T19:35:40 < jpa-> (burst mode is faster but uneven spacing)
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2020-03-02T19:38:41 < kakimir> main problem for removing sram and address counter is random access read within one page
2020-03-02T19:39:57 < kakimir> after higher address byte is received there is 2nd set command to end setting the address and after that read pulses start comming in
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2020-03-02T19:41:46 < kakimir> not going to happen
2020-03-02T19:41:54 < kakimir> better interface SRAM with FMC
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2020-03-02T19:52:20 < kakimir> 9bit IO value -> DMCI -> DMA copy into -> Timer value -> Interrupt/Event from timer -> Change gpio pin output value under 100ns right?
2020-03-02T19:53:28 < kakimir> there is such events from timers that can directly change some output pin right?
2020-03-02T19:53:47 < kakimir> in match event
2020-03-02T19:54:54 < kakimir> maybe even match output pin :o
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2020-03-02T19:59:55 < kakimir> I just removed half of the state machine and it felt good
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2020-03-02T20:03:43 < jpa-> i wish i had still that 4-year-old enthusiasm for projects: we were watching youtube of diy toy submarine - he exclaims "i have a bolt exactly like that! we can build a submarine tomorrow!"
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2020-03-02T20:04:38 < jpa-> kakimir: with interrupt latency, you'll never get under 100ns with that path
2020-03-02T20:05:07 < kakimir> I know
2020-03-02T20:05:19 < jpa-> but of course timers can trigger dma also :P
2020-03-02T20:05:37 < kakimir> I believe in stm32
2020-03-02T20:06:01 < jpa-> next up: figure out if timers + dma is turing complete - you can have one dma transfer stuff to control registers of other dma etc.
2020-03-02T20:08:03 < kakimir> you mean I do a computer inside a timer?
2020-03-02T20:08:19 < jpa-> would be a more sensible than your current project
2020-03-02T20:08:22 < kakimir> sicrit computing inside timer
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2020-03-02T20:58:48 < kakimir> If I need multiple compare channels. More than 4 or so. Can DMA be used to transfer the byte from DCMI to multiple timers with same effort?
2020-03-02T21:03:34 < qyx> what?
2020-03-02T21:04:02 < qyx> do you want to put your value from DCMI to compare registers?
2020-03-02T21:08:08 < kakimir> no
2020-03-02T21:08:14 < kakimir> to TC
2020-03-02T21:08:21 < kakimir> but there is multiple matches
2020-03-02T21:12:00 < kakimir> 6
2020-03-02T21:12:44 < kakimir> any of should result into fet gate being driven high
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2020-03-02T21:28:02 < kakimir> comparison values are static
2020-03-02T21:33:43 < antto> didn't arm gcc have attribute "address" and such?
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2020-03-02T21:49:31 < emeb> Haha - doing demo code for this H750 project. Just simple setup stuff and already up to > 40kB out of total 128kB available. Looking through the mapfile to see what's using up the flash...
2020-03-02T21:49:53 < qyx> and whats using up the flash?
2020-03-02T21:49:58 < jadew> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/13/health/candidate-who-director-general-ethiopia-cholera-outbreaks.html
2020-03-02T21:50:07 < emeb> Mostly it's giant HAL setup funcs. HAL_RCC funcs for configuring the clock are > 10kB of the total.
2020-03-02T21:50:29 < qyx> jadew: isnt it old
2020-03-02T21:50:59 < qyx> so I attempted to overwrite my onion omega2s with openwrt
2020-03-02T21:51:03 < qyx> without serial console
2020-03-02T21:51:04 < qyx> I failed
2020-03-02T21:51:12 < jadew> it is, but it's about the current WHO director, who apparently has covered up outbreaks in his own country, prior to becoming the leader of the WHO
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2020-03-02T22:01:06 < Cracki> so we're investigating the principle of always promoting the most ill suited person for the job?
2020-03-02T22:08:06 < Thorn> I got my current project because the previous programmer couldn't fit his code into flash because HAL
2020-03-02T22:08:57 < c10ud^> nowadays hal seems "better" though
2020-03-02T22:09:23 < c10ud^> what is the overhead? a few structs you should somehow replicate anyway?
2020-03-02T22:13:17 < Thorn> stream is live, T - no idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti5dN97qs3w
2020-03-02T22:14:40 < Cracki> who is this challenge for
2020-03-02T22:18:25 < Cracki> wew are they on dialup
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2020-03-02T23:15:26 < tomeaton17> https://i.redd.it/7lg1y4221nf41.jpg
2020-03-02T23:24:02 < Cracki> :P
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2020-03-02T23:36:34 < Thorn> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESIQUcnUwAE8SA3?format=jpg&name=medium #corona32
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2020-03-02T23:37:26 < Thorn> we need to shoot young people to achieve corona equity
2020-03-02T23:43:44 < Cracki> do you have that by sex? I'm sure we'd have to shoot women to achieve corona equity too
2020-03-02T23:44:26 < Cracki> https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
2020-03-02T23:45:01 < Cracki> alternative to execution: press all those young females into state mandated gf duty
2020-03-02T23:45:43 < specing> lol
2020-03-02T23:47:38 < emeb> gah - using QSPI RAM w/ indirect mode & HAL routines is horribly slow for random access to the RAM. 
2020-03-02T23:48:19 < emeb> Doing a 48kHz audio delay line: with internal RAM takes about 6% of CPU. With QSPI it takes ~42%.
2020-03-02T23:48:50 < Cracki> does it do busy waiting
2020-03-02T23:49:48 < emeb> Yes - just dumb blocking PIO for now. With nonblocking code it might speed up a bit, but the algorithm doesn't have a lot of parallelism in it. 
2020-03-02T23:50:19 < Thorn> HAHAL
2020-03-02T23:50:27 < Cracki> haram
2020-03-02T23:51:37 < emeb> downside to QSPI indirect mode is that there's a lot of setup code that needs to run for every access
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2020-03-02T23:51:49 < emeb> and of course inefficient HAL code.
2020-03-02T23:52:47 < Cracki> isn't there a peripheral that maps external ram into the memory space and handles comm?
2020-03-02T23:52:59 < emeb> Yes - QSPI in mem mapped mode
2020-03-02T23:53:04 < emeb> but that only works for reading
2020-03-02T23:53:08 < Cracki> wat why
2020-03-02T23:53:26 < emeb> It's designed for execute-in-place from flash memory.
2020-03-02T23:53:38 < emeb> no random writes to flash.
2020-03-02T23:54:39 < Cracki> so, not an FSMC?
2020-03-02T23:55:09 < emeb> not really the same.
2020-03-02T23:55:10 < Thorn> how much delay do you need anyway? 48 kHz 16 bit = 96,000 bytes per second
2020-03-02T23:55:19 < Thorn> lcsc has china spi psram
2020-03-02T23:55:28 < emeb> yes, that's what I'm using
2020-03-02T23:55:31 < Thorn> very cheap, several MB
2020-03-02T23:55:35 < emeb> Lyontek 64Mb part
2020-03-02T23:55:47 < emeb> good for up to ~86s of audio delay
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2020-03-02T23:56:51 < Thorn> is it a censorship device? can't imagine such a delay being useful for a musician
2020-03-02T23:57:25 < emeb> but when running @ 48ksps you need to write 4 bytes and read 8 bytes (for crossfading) for every sample. and the locations are scattered throughout, so it's impossible to batch up more than a few bytes per access.
2020-03-02T23:58:03 < Thorn> sounds like parallel sdram is the way to go
2020-03-02T23:58:15 < emeb> yes - that's what current system uses.
2020-03-02T23:58:31 < emeb> testing QSPI as low-cost / low pincount alternative.
2020-03-02T23:58:40 < emeb> seems like it's not a good idea. :P
2020-03-02T23:59:48 < emeb> WRT long delay - there are many uses in music for long delays. Things like loopers where you record long chunks of audio into memory and play it back over & over while adding more to it.
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2020-03-03T00:04:50 < kakimir> kicad says ufbga-201 and datasheet says ufbga176
2020-03-03T00:04:57 < kakimir> looks the same though
2020-03-03T00:05:27 < emeb> what's a few pins +/-?
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2020-03-03T00:14:39 < karlp> rest of the pins caught corona and are quarantined?
2020-03-03T00:15:14 < qyx> onion works \o/
2020-03-03T00:15:17 < qyx> 3G works
2020-03-03T00:15:25 < qyx> at least I assume
2020-03-03T00:15:27 < karlp> which bit was in doubt?
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2020-03-03T00:15:36 < qyx> both
2020-03-03T00:15:52 < qyx> but 3G fails at LCP stage
2020-03-03T00:16:17 < qyx> I need to enable roaming to make it work in this setup and there is no checkbox for that
2020-03-03T00:16:32 < qyx> probably I need to append some AT command
2020-03-03T00:17:00 < qyx> also I trashed that onion firmware and replaced with stock openwrt
2020-03-03T00:17:03 < qyx> much more usable now
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2020-03-03T00:33:26 < oz4ga> Cats are in the channels topic
2020-03-03T00:33:30 < kakimir> this chip doesn't have usb hs phy?
2020-03-03T00:33:37 < oz4ga> https://politiken.dk/incoming/img7652360.hauoq0/ORIGINALS/original_960/wm_2020_03_02
2020-03-03T00:33:38 < kakimir> just some ulpi pins
2020-03-03T00:34:12 < oz4ga> translation: "we better not interfer" XD
2020-03-03T00:34:41 < kakimir> interestings
2020-03-03T00:35:04 < kakimir> recommend usb hs phy
2020-03-03T00:35:13 < kakimir> I have never even looked one up
2020-03-03T00:36:35 < jadew> “In New York State, the person who tested positive is only the 32nd test we’ve done in this state,” he said. “That is a national scandal. [...] They’re testing 10,000 a day in some countries and we can’t get this off the ground,” - Dr. Matt McCarthy, a staff physician at New York-Presbyterian
2020-03-03T00:37:26 < jadew> if there was a way to check, I'd be willing to bet that there are thousands of infections in the US at this very moment
2020-03-03T00:37:57 < oz4ga> if we all are going to die then we at least had peace on earth
2020-03-03T00:38:22 < jadew> is that sarcasm? :)
2020-03-03T00:39:09 < kakimir> make peace with yourself
2020-03-03T00:39:13 < kakimir> and death
2020-03-03T00:39:18 < kakimir> now give me usb phy
2020-03-03T00:39:23 < doomba> i'll be on irc making failtroll commentary and laughing all the way until i die
2020-03-03T00:39:51 < oz4ga> heck me 2
2020-03-03T00:39:56 < zyp> kakimir, usb3300 is common
2020-03-03T00:40:03 < kakimir> thanks
2020-03-03T00:42:27 < doomba> they wanna try to depopulate us down to a more manageable level. i hope it works out for them.
2020-03-03T00:42:42 < doomba> they're gonna be bored sitting at starbucks all day while their slave race caters to them
2020-03-03T00:42:47 < doomba> i'll die laughing
2020-03-03T00:54:49 < Laurenceb> muh corona
2020-03-03T00:59:45 < jadew> wtf...
2020-03-03T00:59:49 < jadew> they've censored the internet
2020-03-03T01:00:09 < jadew> I tried to access a website and got an access unauthorized
2020-03-03T01:00:31 < jadew> access to this website was restricted based on the decision of whatever 1409/2019
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2020-03-03T01:01:56 < kakimir> romanian or eu directive/rule?
2020-03-03T01:02:05 < jadew> kakimir, I have no idea
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2020-03-03T01:02:58 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2020-03-03T01:03:11 < jadew> wtf... reddit discussion on this topic is gone too
2020-03-03T01:03:18 < Laurenceb> in britbongland you can bypass blocks with opendns
2020-03-03T01:03:23 < Laurenceb> what was it about?
2020-03-03T01:03:23 < jadew> and I can't find any info based on the text
2020-03-03T01:03:46 < jadew> I wanted to see if I can find any info about coronavirus on bestgore
2020-03-03T01:03:52 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-03T01:04:04 < Laurenceb> my sides
2020-03-03T01:04:23 < jadew> thought I'd find videos or something that won't appear on youtube
2020-03-03T01:04:26 < Laurenceb> we used to put that shit on pcs at school
2020-03-03T01:05:26 < jadew> this is fucking huge tho...
2020-03-03T01:05:30 < jadew> they're censoring the internet
2020-03-03T01:06:32 < karlp> so, does "jing extension of the electronic co" hve a website I can find their actualproduct lines?
2020-03-03T01:06:57 < karlp> lcsc has three pages of trivially different usb2 receptacles, alllll from jing
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2020-03-03T01:08:36 < englishman> I wish I had coronavirus so I could die and not have to read jadew chats anymore
2020-03-03T01:10:19 < karlp> My contribution to world peace: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/commit/695edf88813b87a8cedb7b82f2cff8d558679a90
2020-03-03T01:11:11 < englishman> I'm seeing that adamtech more and more
2020-03-03T01:11:21 < englishman> and I don't think it's baader-meinhof
2020-03-03T01:11:35 < zyp> Assman
2020-03-03T01:12:05 < jadew> englishman, adamtech is decent quality
2020-03-03T01:12:17 < englishman> im going to use GCT usb4105 in a product
2020-03-03T01:12:18 < jadew> not sure what you're looking at, but the shit I bought from them were good
2020-03-03T01:12:45 < englishman> like 2 distributors have mentioned them and I've seen the name here twice now
2020-03-03T01:15:12 < jadew> not a lot on ncov on that website
2020-03-03T01:17:44 < karlp> englishman: isn't there an xkb part that's even better? dongs approved?
2020-03-03T01:17:53 < karlp> or is dongs approved no longer fit for icbms?
2020-03-03T01:17:58 < englishman> GCT is on digijew
2020-03-03T01:18:12 < englishman> and it's the same footprint
2020-03-03T01:21:08 < englishman> 5 dead in Washington lolwtf
2020-03-03T01:21:43 < englishman> good thing they don't have a public medical system. nothing to overwhelm
2020-03-03T01:21:57 < Laurenceb> recreational corona virus
2020-03-03T01:22:18 < jadew> unless they start properly reporting numbers, they'll have a higher death rate than Iran
2020-03-03T01:23:05 < jadew> the numbers coming out of Korea are very reassuring
2020-03-03T01:23:35 < jadew> current death rate at 0.6%
2020-03-03T01:24:04 < jadew> much better than what we used to see in China when they started updating
2020-03-03T01:24:39 < jadew> seriously critical cases are also at 0.6%
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2020-03-03T01:26:03 < englishman> is there a 2 or 4 channel level shifter like txs that shares a partial footprint
2020-03-03T01:26:33 < englishman> or do I have to put a 4 channel shifter and just not use 2 channels on one hardware version
2020-03-03T01:26:52 < englishman> seems wasteful
2020-03-03T01:27:06 < zyp> you could do a dual footprint
2020-03-03T01:28:48 < englishman> dont think txs has a good footprint for that
2020-03-03T01:28:57 < englishman> maybe I'll just put two txs0102
2020-03-03T01:44:35 < kakimir> why is this project so big
2020-03-03T01:52:08 < aandrew> hm, clearpath uses stdperiph not cube
2020-03-03T01:52:11 < aandrew> that kind of sucks
2020-03-03T02:08:01 < kakimir> i try to save a pdf from st
2020-03-03T02:08:08 < kakimir> failed - forbidden
2020-03-03T02:08:21 < kakimir> it's open in my browser already.. what is this
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2020-03-03T02:10:14 < aandrew> yeah it's some new chrome thing, it came from an http:// not https:// right?
2020-03-03T02:13:07 < kakimir> ah
2020-03-03T02:13:15 < kakimir> chrome totally gay now
2020-03-03T02:13:51 < BrainDamage> try right click and save as on the link
2020-03-03T02:14:49 < kakimir> nopes
2020-03-03T02:16:46 < BrainDamage> then copy the link and use a separate downloader
2020-03-03T02:16:49 < BrainDamage> or use furryfox
2020-03-03T02:20:10 < kakimir> ye
2020-03-03T02:20:13 < kakimir> null>
2020-03-03T02:21:58 < englishman> chrome is pretty gay now yeah
2020-03-03T02:24:01 < tomeaton17> just use edge
2020-03-03T02:24:48 < qyx> uh I am unable to configure NAT using openwrt's firewall
2020-03-03T02:26:01 < doomba> uh
2020-03-03T02:26:04 < doomba> it's like 3 lines
2020-03-03T02:26:24 < qyx> I did clkick click in luci
2020-03-03T02:26:27 < qyx> no worky
2020-03-03T02:26:39 < doomba> config forwarding, option src 'lan', option dest 'wan'
2020-03-03T02:26:45 < doomba> who da fuq uses luci
2020-03-03T02:26:46 < englishman> I am also unable
2020-03-03T02:26:54 < doomba> luci is for noobs
2020-03-03T02:26:55 < englishman> because I dont use openwrt
2020-03-03T02:27:28 < qyx> ok, lets look at comfig files
2020-03-03T02:28:47 < doomba> it will be /etc/config/firewall
2020-03-03T02:29:04 < doomba> where zones are defined. the zones specify which networks (from /etc/config/networks) they apply to
2020-03-03T02:29:32 < doomba> a forwarding with src and dest between two zones is NAT
2020-03-03T02:29:49 < qyx> no it isnt
2020-03-03T02:30:01 < doomba> ok masquerading
2020-03-03T02:30:29 < qyx> you have to enable snat/masq in the zone itself
2020-03-03T02:30:34 < doomba> yes
2020-03-03T02:30:38 < qyx> forwarding is just forwarding
2020-03-03T02:30:41 < qyx> anyway
2020-03-03T02:30:47 < qyx> I have everything
2020-03-03T02:30:50 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gViV68mNWxvVePUQkXN3g6I-_WAFo-zj/view?usp=sharing
2020-03-03T02:30:54 < qyx> looks logical even
2020-03-03T02:31:00 < doomba> so maybe you just need to reload the fw
2020-03-03T02:31:04 < qyx> butnstill doesn't work
2020-03-03T02:31:15 < doomba> do /etc/init.d/firewall reload
2020-03-03T02:31:26 < qyx> mmt checking iptables
2020-03-03T02:34:18 < qyx> looks correct, even the counters are increasing
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2020-03-03T02:35:11 < doomba> ya this is why i don't use luci lol
2020-03-03T02:35:43 < doomba> also when you have 128MB ram or w/e, it's nice to not be running microhttpd or whatever it is and lua crap
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2020-03-03T02:36:35 < doomba> it makes more sense to edit the config files or use uci
2020-03-03T02:40:35 < BrainDamage> out of curiosity, do you have your own caching dns and/or ntp for your cluster?
2020-03-03T02:42:50 < doomba> my cluster is sitting here disassembled because it has no backplane
2020-03-03T02:43:18 < BrainDamage> I thought you were using run off the mill ethernet?
2020-03-03T02:43:29 < machinehum> New macbooks are going to have arm's
2020-03-03T02:43:34 < machinehum> cray
2020-03-03T02:43:40 < doomba> the master node is up though - sitting behind the openwrt box that does have a caching dns + ntp though
2020-03-03T02:44:13 < specing> machinehum: fascinating
2020-03-03T02:44:25 < BrainDamage> they announced  it a while ago
2020-03-03T02:44:28 < machinehum> lol
2020-03-03T02:44:36 < doomba> you think the battery life will be better? i doubt it.
2020-03-03T02:44:39 < doomba> lol
2020-03-03T02:44:53 < specing> the death of x86 has begun, then
2020-03-03T02:44:59 < BrainDamage> yes it will, but the performance will be worse, unless they start adding multiple processors
2020-03-03T02:45:02 < doomba> more like they'll be able to run more bloat - same battery life.
2020-03-03T02:45:10 < BrainDamage> but in that case I am not sure of the battery life
2020-03-03T02:45:23 < doomba> MacOS will become ElectronOS or some hipster shit
2020-03-03T02:45:45 < BrainDamage> to my knowledge mac is pretty much against javascript crap
2020-03-03T02:45:58 < doomba> apple will get a proprietary SoC from ARM that has a JPU, Javascript Processor Unit built-in to run all the electron malware
2020-03-03T02:46:08 < machinehum> lol
2020-03-03T02:46:17 < machinehum> npm is the only way to install software
2020-03-03T02:46:27 < BrainDamage> there are processors with java interpreters builtin
2020-03-03T02:46:36 < doomba> they know their primary userbase are javascript hipsters
2020-03-03T02:46:42 < doomba> so they must cater to that
2020-03-03T02:47:59 < machinehum> Hey don't forget about people using swift to develop IOS apps which requires a macbook pro for some reason!
2020-03-03T02:48:08 < specing> BrainDamage: on desktop workloads the single threaded perf matters more than having umpteen cores
2020-03-03T02:48:31 < BrainDamage> then it'll get straight worse
2020-03-03T02:49:40 < machinehum> https://imgur.com/a/gboc9Sn
2020-03-03T02:49:44 < machinehum> That got me
2020-03-03T02:49:58 < BrainDamage> mind you, the apple marketing dept is very careful to only do benchmarks against old apple products
2020-03-03T02:50:01 < BrainDamage> never the competition
2020-03-03T02:50:02 < machinehum> Rent a Mac in the Cloud!
2020-03-03T02:50:38 < specing> BrainDamage: why would they? They customers don't care about competition :)
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2020-03-03T02:52:54 < BrainDamage> I prefer to think it's an artificial situation that their marketing dept created, rather than a simple free choice
2020-03-03T02:53:06 < qyx> doomba: works, I had to chamge default forward to accept for whatever reason
2020-03-03T02:53:13 < qyx> *change
2020-03-03T02:53:29 < doomba> in the zone? yea
2020-03-03T02:53:35 < qyx> no
2020-03-03T02:53:43 < qyx> the default one
2020-03-03T02:54:03 < qyx> in the zone it was accept of course
2020-03-03T02:54:14 < zyp> hmm, ddr3 so-dimm pinout is pretty tidy
2020-03-03T02:54:14 < doomba> umm. that's weird
2020-03-03T02:54:35 < qyx> I'll check tomorrow
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2020-03-03T02:54:39 < doomba> on mine, i have the defaults forward drop
2020-03-03T02:55:02 < zyp> I mean, it makes sense for easy routing of the module too, but still
2020-03-03T02:55:03 < qyx> otherwise I would break this android thing into two
2020-03-03T02:56:11 < zyp> each end of the stick got four byte lane groups, and then all the address lines and shit are gathered in the middle
2020-03-03T02:56:58 < zyp> and that's naturally the sane way to do it, since the module would route each bytelane to a chip (or two byte lanes to a 16-bit wide chip), and feed the address lines to all
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2020-03-03T02:59:37 < qyx> doomba: https://privatebin.net/?7e461db84d5cd888#zJRsA6bHvk4UGFByNWofYMoFTmbmgYDoxL7hV2BtbtE
2020-03-03T03:00:29 < qyx> oh there is no network in the mgmt zone
2020-03-03T03:00:33 < zyp> 11 signals per byte lane, so that's 88, plus another 30-something for address/control
2020-03-03T03:02:41 < zyp> I count 33, but I'm not sure they all are required, I suspect some can be tied high or low
2020-03-03T03:03:31 < zyp> and I don't count the metadata eeprom
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2020-03-03T06:58:21 < emeb_mac> *crickets*
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2020-03-03T09:06:28 < dongs> lmao
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2020-03-03T10:17:07 < qyx> jpa-: heh same here
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2020-03-03T10:17:23 < qyx> but the thing is still in hongkong
2020-03-03T10:17:46 < qyx> since 2020-02-23
2020-03-03T11:31:43 < karlp> (qyx: don't listen to doom's apocolypse on guis for losers)
2020-03-03T12:58:56 < doomba> did somebody say doomba's apocolypse on GUIs for losers? I'm neck deep in vue.js, but i heard that.
2020-03-03T13:05:38 < karlp> ah, that's why you hate luci, it's not using enough hipster js :)
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2020-03-03T13:16:09 < doomba> yep exactly.
2020-03-03T13:16:28 < doomba> also because it's not named lucily
2020-03-03T13:16:56 < doomba> adding the 'ly' at the end is what brings venture capital - even more if it has '.io' after the 'ly'
2020-03-03T13:17:47 < kakimir> can stm32f427 run from ulpi clock?
2020-03-03T13:23:43 < jpa-> kakimir: the more common way is to feed the 24MHz to USB HS PHY from STM32 MCO
2020-03-03T13:24:20 < kakimir> makes sense
2020-03-03T13:25:21 < jpa-> STM32 can't take HSE frequency greater than 50 MHz anyway, and ULPI is 60 MHz; but i guess the way you've been crazy the past few days, you'd probably just throw in a d-flipflop to divide it
2020-03-03T13:26:16 < kakimir> I bet there is components more suitable than d-flipflop
2020-03-03T13:26:21 < kakimir> idk
2020-03-03T13:26:35 < kakimir> 24 or 25Mhz?
2020-03-03T13:26:50 < jpa-> 24 MHz is the standard for USB HS PHYs, 25 MHz for ethernet MACs
2020-03-03T13:27:19 < kakimir> that is what I thought
2020-03-03T13:27:26 < kakimir> oof.. they made a mistake
2020-03-03T13:27:43 < kakimir> eval board datasheet has "25Mhz" xtal in usb3300
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2020-03-03T13:29:22 < upgrdman> heh, that was easy. pro tip: if you're using your gpu to display 30fps video, don't replace the texture every fucking frame (60hz) ... lol.
2020-03-03T13:30:56 < upgrdman> now my telemetryviewer mjpeg code has the same gpu usage as chrome playing the mjpeg. now all i need to tweak is the cpu usage, and i think i know what to do.
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2020-03-03T13:33:01 < kakimir> fix locale
2020-03-03T13:37:09 < upgrdman> im seriously curious about this though: my note10+ can decode a 4k60 video and barely get above room temperature. same video on my 2019 i7 laptop, and cpu/gpu usage is high, running very warm, draining the battery quick.
2020-03-03T13:38:06 < upgrdman> i wonder if the pc codecs are just poorly optimized, or if my note10+ has dedicated silicon for the codec. like seriously, my phone doesn't even get warm.
2020-03-03T13:38:30 < jpa-> MJPEG codecs are so old and legacy that they probably aren't very optimized
2020-03-03T13:38:53 < upgrdman> jpa-, oh, that was two separate issues. the 4k60 video is not mjpeg. prolly h265.
2020-03-03T13:38:59 < jpa-> but for H264 and similar, make sure it is using hardware acceleration
2020-03-03T13:39:18 < upgrdman> ya my video player says its using gpu decoding
2020-03-03T13:39:34 < upgrdman> but maybe its just like half-assed CUDA that is wasteful
2020-03-03T13:40:25 < jpa-> also as note10 has only fullhd display, maybe it knows how to optimize so it doesn't even decode the full resolution
2020-03-03T13:40:48 < upgrdman> 10+ is >fhd
2020-03-03T13:41:01 < upgrdman> but ya that's possible
2020-03-03T13:41:10 < jpa-> ah yeah
2020-03-03T13:41:53 < jpa-> but yeah, i have same kind of experiences, video decoding on mobile devices is very highly optimized
2020-03-03T13:42:44 < upgrdman> inorite. im so envious. on long flights i have to watch videos on my phone, when my perfectly good laptop would be better but the battery life drops off too quick when playing 4k videos
2020-03-03T13:48:33 < Cracki> how do you play videos on your laptop
2020-03-03T13:48:59 < Cracki> also, is that discrete gpu decoding or intel integrated gpu decoding?
2020-03-03T13:49:14 < Cracki> the player can do a lot of silly shit after it's been decoded
2020-03-03T13:49:49 < kakimir> GND/TgtPwr+Cap in cortex connector
2020-03-03T13:49:59 < kakimir> what does that mean
2020-03-03T13:50:14 < kakimir> just gnd it?
2020-03-03T13:50:36 < Cracki> i'd question the "gpu decoding" claim if it's using more than half a core. decode+scaling+presentation/compositing should all run on the gpu, a player should use cpu only for parsing the file
2020-03-03T13:50:55 < Cracki> what does your notation mean?
2020-03-03T13:51:14 < Cracki> target power sounds like that isn't for vtarget sensing but for powering it
2020-03-03T13:52:29 < kakimir> aha
2020-03-03T13:52:58 < kakimir> it's in the cortex+etm 20pin connector
2020-03-03T13:52:59 < Cracki> >Some special target boards, typically those for evaluation or demonstration purposes, can use these pins to supply power to the target board.
2020-03-03T13:53:10 < Cracki> right under that table
2020-03-03T13:53:48 < Cracki> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0314h/Chdgcdcb.html
2020-03-03T13:55:10 < Cracki> I'd be careful about grounding those. seems like they assume that a debugger senses those pins before giving them power, or you have to know if you should tell it to power those pins
2020-03-03T13:55:37 < Cracki> ARM recommends that the debug equipment includes some protection if you connect it to standard target boards that have connected these pins directly to GND, for example, a current limiting circuit.
2020-03-03T13:55:39 < Cracki> >
2020-03-03T13:56:48 < kakimir> so leave unconnected
2020-03-03T13:58:08 < jpa-> i wonder why that layout is so weird, instead of just putting GND's on one edge and signals on other edge - seems like that would give GND between every signal and better high-speed behavior
2020-03-03T13:59:06 < kakimir> because lines in cable are in pin order
2020-03-03T13:59:24 < kakimir> so there is gnd between every* signals
2020-03-03T13:59:35 < kakimir> in the transmission line
2020-03-03T14:00:07 < kakimir> and that is the ideal way
2020-03-03T14:00:13 < jpa-> ah that's labeled like that and the actual pins on connectors are in two rows differently :D
2020-03-03T14:00:33 < zyp> haha
2020-03-03T14:00:47 < jpa-> way to make readable tables
2020-03-03T14:01:38 < kakimir> it's arm.com
2020-03-03T14:01:55 < Cracki> in order: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0314h/Chdgcdcb.html
2020-03-03T14:02:57 < Cracki> the suggestion of a 2-dimensional arrangement, like on the actual connector, is a poor choice for that table
2020-03-03T14:04:35 < kakimir> it's what I said earlier about arm.com
2020-03-03T14:05:03 < jpa-> but now they'll make a new documentation hub so clearly everything will be better!
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2020-03-03T14:11:26 < Cracki> those technical writers should be given a graphics making monkey for this purpose.
2020-03-03T14:14:09 < kakimir> trace lines should have 33R + 220k pulldowns?
2020-03-03T14:14:42 < kakimir> per eval board user manual
2020-03-03T14:16:15 < kakimir> lets do what it says
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2020-03-03T14:17:23 < kakimir> eval boards are perfect for aping design
2020-03-03T14:20:15 < kakimir> I expect someone at some point has paid attention to detail
2020-03-03T14:21:12 < kakimir> 100% trust in the datasheet that 30minutes earlier had clear error in hs phy xtal value
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2020-03-03T15:21:22 < doomba> walmart rice & beans section was hit this time. i managed to get 40 more lb of rice and a bunch of smaller bags of beans
2020-03-03T15:22:00 < Cracki> lol
2020-03-03T15:22:01 < jadew> for how long are you prepping?
2020-03-03T15:22:22 < Cracki> becoming a merchant, are we
2020-03-03T15:22:54 < jadew> "40 MORE lb"
2020-03-03T15:23:16 < jadew> I thought you lived a lone
2020-03-03T15:23:38 < jadew> not saying it's bad or anything, but it sounds like a lot
2020-03-03T15:23:40 < Cracki> when the looting starts, he can trade food for sexual favors
2020-03-03T15:23:47 < jadew> haha
2020-03-03T15:24:19 < Cracki> read some apocalyptic fiction, they all devolve into violence and sex, sometimes both
2020-03-03T15:25:14 < doomba> jadew: 6 months to a year
2020-03-03T15:25:30 < jadew> doomba, nice
2020-03-03T15:25:46 < doomba> evidence of panic is already happening in larger cities
2020-03-03T15:25:48 < Cracki> rice and beans, every single day
2020-03-03T15:25:54 < doomba> and slightly appearing where i live now
2020-03-03T15:25:55 < jadew> lol
2020-03-03T15:26:05 < doomba> Cracki: i'm part mexican duh
2020-03-03T15:26:08 < jadew> people aren't panicking here yet
2020-03-03T15:26:20 < Cracki> but but but potato? pasta?
2020-03-03T15:26:25 < jadew> they did buy a lot of stuff, but the panic hasn't started yet
2020-03-03T15:26:31 < Cracki> stuff for baking bread?
2020-03-03T15:26:32 < doomba> Cracki: i grow potatoes
2020-03-03T15:26:35 < doomba> i don't eat bread
2020-03-03T15:26:42 < jadew> bread is good
2020-03-03T15:26:50 < jadew> has lots of sugar and stuff
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2020-03-03T15:27:08 < doomba> also stocked up on fats
2020-03-03T15:27:21 < jadew> what kind of fats did you get?
2020-03-03T15:27:28 < doomba> ghee, avocado oil, olive oil, tallow, etc.
2020-03-03T15:27:47 < doomba> coconut oil
2020-03-03T15:27:49 < doomba> all bulk stuff
2020-03-03T15:28:11 < Cracki> put your ear on the ground for farms and food factories hiring workers
2020-03-03T15:28:19 < Cracki> before that happens I wouldn't worry too much
2020-03-03T15:28:30 < doomba> it doesn't work like that here
2020-03-03T15:28:53 < doomba> all the farmers are monocropping soy and corn for the big conglomerates. the shit isn't edible. it goes straight to processing.
2020-03-03T15:29:02 < Cracki> panic buying will eventually saturate everyone's storage capacity
2020-03-03T15:29:14 < doomba> let them panic buy
2020-03-03T15:29:23 < doomba> i'm in a pretty good spot now.
2020-03-03T15:29:37 < Cracki> are you gonna build a shed or barn to keep your stuff in?
2020-03-03T15:29:54 < doomba> no
2020-03-03T15:29:56 < jadew> we live in an apartment building and I realize how many shortcomings that has in case of a calamity
2020-03-03T15:30:01 < Cracki> tbh I'd get an excavator and dig some underground storage
2020-03-03T15:30:19 < Cracki> check your building for defensibility
2020-03-03T15:30:37 < doomba> if it gets to the point where i have to go beyond locking the doors, then ...
2020-03-03T15:30:41 < doomba> not much i can do
2020-03-03T15:30:50 < Cracki> do you have a peephole in the door, how long does it take to break down your door, do you have a second and maybe third exit
2020-03-03T15:31:05 < doomba> i don't have any weapons to protect the cache
2020-03-03T15:31:11 < doomba> felons can't own firearms so i'm screwed
2020-03-03T15:31:16 < Cracki> can you own dogs
2020-03-03T15:31:21 < doomba> yea i have a pitbul
2020-03-03T15:31:25 < Cracki> excellent
2020-03-03T15:31:38 < Cracki> does he bite the mailman or hump his leg
2020-03-03T15:31:44 < doomba> she
2020-03-03T15:31:50 < doomba> kills feral cats
2020-03-03T15:31:53 < Cracki> girls can hump legs too
2020-03-03T15:31:56 < Cracki> good good
2020-03-03T15:32:46 < jadew> doomba, not sure you saw what I wrote yesterday, but I don't think there's going to be a lockdown or any type of quarantine in the US
2020-03-03T15:32:51 < Cracki> youtube taught me that you bag those kills, freeze them for a while to kill some parasites, then feed it to your animal
2020-03-03T15:33:13 < doomba> jadew: me neither. what i'm prepping for is empty store shelves and price hiking
2020-03-03T15:33:20 < jadew> IMO you just need a nice mask a suit so you can go and buy whatever you need from the supermarket, because they won't close that
2020-03-03T15:33:27 < Cracki> go stock up on sneakers and flatscreen tvs. those will be looted before any food.
2020-03-03T15:33:37 < jadew> lol
2020-03-03T15:33:51 < jadew> I too am afraid that food will eventually run out
2020-03-03T15:33:53 < kakimir> bga pin grouping is hard
2020-03-03T15:34:27 < doomba> jadew: there have already been rationing going on in california cities - people lined up through the whole parking lots of stores waiting to get inside for a pair of sneakers
2020-03-03T15:34:39 < doomba> i expect this to happen soon here
2020-03-03T15:34:48 < doomba> as well as gas prices going up to like $10/gal
2020-03-03T15:35:02 < Cracki> in soviet murica, apple buys you
2020-03-03T15:35:17 < jadew> doomba, do you have insurance?
2020-03-03T15:35:18 < PaulFertser> The hospital to receive all Moscow SARS-CoV-2 suspects is 1-2 km from me.
2020-03-03T15:35:25 < doomba> jadew: insurance for what?
2020-03-03T15:35:32 < jadew> doomba, health insurance
2020-03-03T15:35:34 < doomba> no
2020-03-03T15:35:41 < jadew> so you can't afford to get sick
2020-03-03T15:35:45 < doomba> i can
2020-03-03T15:35:56 < doomba> ER can't refuse. but will if it's coronavirus and they're overloaded
2020-03-03T15:35:59 < kakimir> force majeure
2020-03-03T15:36:02 < jadew> PaulFertser, peachy
2020-03-03T15:36:04 < jadew> are you worried?
2020-03-03T15:36:11 < Cracki> how much are hospital bills in mexico, compared to murica? I get the impression that it's a better deal down there
2020-03-03T15:36:15 < doomba> am i worried about coronavirus? no
2020-03-03T15:36:21 < Cracki> >ER can't refuse
2020-03-03T15:36:23 < doomba> my worry is food shortages
2020-03-03T15:36:30 < Cracki> sure, but they also will give you a bill
2020-03-03T15:36:44 < doomba> a bill i can't pay
2020-03-03T15:36:48 < doomba> but it doesn't matter. i'm alive.
2020-03-03T15:36:48 < PaulFertser> jadew: considering getting infected to die sooner, not being happy with the life I'm currently living.
2020-03-03T15:36:50 < Cracki> gotcha :D
2020-03-03T15:36:52 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLprfbmpnNU musics
2020-03-03T15:36:54 < jadew> PaulFertser, the iranians burned down a hospital for that reason
2020-03-03T15:36:55 < doomba> and will just move to another country and start over
2020-03-03T15:37:05 < jadew> lol PaulFertser 
2020-03-03T15:37:08 < kakimir> you need to read the fine print
2020-03-03T15:37:11 < Cracki> must be neat to have no money anyone is allowed to squeeze out of you
2020-03-03T15:37:31 < doomba> it is actually
2020-03-03T15:37:41 < doomba> i have a doctor i see regularly, private pay.
2020-03-03T15:37:49 < doomba> it's actually cheaper than with insurance because of how fucked up the system is here
2020-03-03T15:38:02 < PaulFertser> jadew: how are your friends doing, are they wearing airtight goggles 8 hours a day?
2020-03-03T15:38:25 < jadew> PaulFertser, obviously not, but I bought a pair of fake glasses for my wife
2020-03-03T15:39:30 < jadew> she wouldn't wear protection glasses, so I figured at least she can have something between the spit ejecting from the patients and her eyes
2020-03-03T15:39:37 < PaulFertser> jadew: I have a feeling measures half-implemented are just wasteful if not actually harmful (giving false sense of security leading to neglecting other measures).
2020-03-03T15:40:28 < doomba> jadew: if nothing happens, then i'll have enough rice & beans to not grocery shop all summer and then some
2020-03-03T15:40:45 < jadew> well, I told her not to rely on any of this to keep her safe
2020-03-03T15:41:24 < jadew> masks are shown to reduce the number of infections
2020-03-03T15:41:25 < PaulFertser> Unrelated (semi-)curious event: 3 people died celebrating a birthday after dumping many kilograms of frozen CO2 into a swimming pool indoors.
2020-03-03T15:41:27 < jadew> even the surgical ones
2020-03-03T15:41:42 < jadew> they suffocated?
2020-03-03T15:41:46 < PaulFertser> jadew: likely so
2020-03-03T15:42:02 < jadew> wth were they thinking?
2020-03-03T15:42:07 < PaulFertser> Can't tell for sure, no official statements about cause of death available.
2020-03-03T15:42:09 < jadew> they wanted to bathe in sparkling water?
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2020-03-03T15:42:42 < doomba> PaulFertser: ya wasn't that in russia? they put dry ice in a hot tub?
2020-03-03T15:42:43 < PaulFertser> jadew: yes, plus cool mist. Apparently that's a popular thing to do in the USA, but they use outdoor pools.
2020-03-03T15:42:51 < PaulFertser> doomba: yes, in russia.
2020-03-03T15:42:57 < doomba> haha russians...
2020-03-03T15:43:12 < Cracki> a fearless breed
2020-03-03T15:43:38 < Cracki> I wish I had old radar installations that are 100 meters high so I could conveniently climb around on them
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2020-03-03T15:43:49 < PaulFertser> It was a birthday of an instagram "star" (pharmacist btw) with 1M subscribers. Her husband died.
2020-03-03T15:44:22 < Cracki> do pharmacists not need to know a few things about what's bad for the human body?
2020-03-03T15:44:32 < PaulFertser> Apparently they had no idea breathing CO2 is a risky idea.
2020-03-03T15:44:56 < PaulFertser> It's not a poison right
2020-03-03T15:45:12 < PaulFertser> They are supposed to know chemistry. But not physics.
2020-03-03T15:45:32 < Cracki> 1 kg of co2 would be 500 liters (22.4 l/mol, 44g/mol)
2020-03-03T15:45:48 < Cracki> so they filled a room of however many cubic meters with half a cubic meter of co2
2020-03-03T15:46:19 < Cracki> that may be a percent or less. defnitely noticeable
2020-03-03T15:46:38 < sync> well, doing so is not particularily dangerous as you will notice the lack of oxygen
2020-03-03T15:46:40 < Cracki> it's not a poison but it does things to the pH of your blood
2020-03-03T15:46:46 < kakimir> is there any highlight in kicad that could highlight a group of signals
2020-03-03T15:46:49 < sync> but if they were intoxicated they probably did not notice it or did not care
2020-03-03T15:46:56 < Cracki> oxygen doesn't disappear, it's the co2 messing with your blood pH
2020-03-03T15:47:38 < PaulFertser> They had like 20 kg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgepX8hBYkY
2020-03-03T15:47:43 < Cracki> lol
2020-03-03T15:47:51 < Cracki> yeah that _may_ displace oxygen a little
2020-03-03T15:48:18 < sync> yes, but higher ppCO2 equals a lower ppO2 unless you are doing strange stuff
2020-03-03T15:48:19 < Cracki> also nitrogen :P
2020-03-03T15:48:36 < jadew> actually you don't notice the lack of oxygen
2020-03-03T15:48:47 < sync> yes, it notices the higher ppCO2
2020-03-03T15:48:47 < jadew> but you notice the fact that you have too much CO2 in your blood
2020-03-03T15:48:56 < Cracki> (co2 makes blood acidic)
2020-03-03T15:49:01 < sync> which is why you can use noble gasses to suffocate yourself
2020-03-03T15:49:15 < PaulFertser> And water is there, so bah, you get under it, nobody sees you
2020-03-03T15:49:34 < Cracki> the diff between 0.01% co2 and 1% co2 wouldn't displace oxygen, but it will already harm you
2020-03-03T15:49:41 < Cracki> if they had used just a kilogram of the stuff
2020-03-03T15:49:58 < karlp> yeah, but a kilo doesn't get muhc party going...
2020-03-03T15:50:11 < PaulFertser> Also, isn't it just heavier enough to make a difference for those breathing close to the water surface?
2020-03-03T15:50:18 < kakimir> in video you see why russia has F/M ratio of 1.1 or so
2020-03-03T15:50:39 < Cracki> healthy
2020-03-03T15:51:10 < jadew> lol kakimir 
2020-03-03T15:51:35 < jadew> the females are doing a lot of stupid crap too
2020-03-03T15:51:45 < Cracki> davai davai
2020-03-03T15:51:47 < kakimir> men go first though
2020-03-03T15:52:03 < jadew> PaulFertser, right, maybe they fell unconscious and then they died
2020-03-03T15:52:11 < jadew> *drowned
2020-03-03T15:52:25 < Cracki> they might even drown, if they lose consciousness while in the pool
2020-03-03T15:52:39 < jadew> yeah, that's what I meant
2020-03-03T15:52:40 < Cracki> must be an allaround excellent way to die
2020-03-03T15:52:43 < kakimir> but to say that party didn't look like someone going to die soon
2020-03-03T15:52:58 < jadew> it was a killer party tho
2020-03-03T15:52:59 < Cracki> drowning, suffocating, either way, DEATH
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2020-03-03T15:55:31 < Cracki> lovely https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_acidosis
2020-03-03T15:55:32 < PaulFertser> They were warned in advance that the ice can cause burns. So at least nobody got that.
2020-03-03T15:55:43 < Cracki> heh
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2020-03-03T16:01:24 < aandrew> jadew: your wife works in healthcare?
2020-03-03T16:01:30 < jadew> aandrew, yeah
2020-03-03T16:01:42 < Cracki> til: "no no square"
2020-03-03T16:02:45 < aandrew> Cracki: you're definitely screwing with the concentration of o2 in the air, but yes acidifying the water in your lungs is probably not a good idea as well
2020-03-03T16:03:08 < Cracki> I wonder who sold them that
2020-03-03T16:03:08 < aandrew> not to mention that your body detects and creates a panic response to increased co2, not lack of o2, so that was likely a painful and panicked death
2020-03-03T16:03:21 < Cracki> nobody hears you scream under water
2020-03-03T16:03:42 < Cracki> I think around here you can't buy dry ice without a ton of safety warnings
2020-03-03T16:03:53 < aandrew> PaulFertser: not to mention the others in the room are too preoccupied with not dying themselves to notice you went missing
2020-03-03T16:03:57 < Cracki> and you probably can't buy certain quantities at all
2020-03-03T16:04:12 < Cracki> and everything is foggy as hell
2020-03-03T16:04:21 < Cracki> you'd notice a body when you stumble over it
2020-03-03T16:04:53 < aandrew> Cracki: dry ice is pretty easy to procure here, although 20kg might raise some eyebrows if you're not a regular
2020-03-03T16:05:25 < PaulFertser> aandrew: indeed
2020-03-03T16:05:26 < Cracki> how hard can it be to quickly explain the facts of dry ice: 1 kg is half a cubic meter, know the size of your room, don't let co2 concentration get above X, don't let o2 concentration get below X...
2020-03-03T16:05:46 < aandrew> or just don't fucking do that in a closed room!
2020-03-03T16:06:24 < Cracki> I know people who buy food-grade dry ice for preparing alcoholic slushie...
2020-03-03T16:06:49 < Cracki> "doctor, people died when I did this" / "don't do it then!"
2020-03-03T16:07:14 < Cracki> dunno about you but my experience is that people are notoriously bad at following commands without reason
2020-03-03T16:07:58 < Cracki> I would hope that even a drunk russian pays attention when the box says "DEATH! if you do this, that happens, and that kills you"
2020-03-03T16:08:02 < sync> no
2020-03-03T16:08:08 < sync> nobody does that
2020-03-03T16:08:09 < aandrew> lol no
2020-03-03T16:08:20 < aandrew> they would mock it and see it as a challenge to their autonomy
2020-03-03T16:08:22 < aandrew> like any drunk
2020-03-03T16:08:35 < Cracki> hahah *popcorn*
2020-03-03T16:09:21 < Cracki> I have deliberately little experience with drunks
2020-03-03T16:10:33 < Cracki> the drunks I know were up to some hilarious shit. one tried to whack the other with a moderately heavy metal sword.
2020-03-03T16:10:51 < Cracki> blood was spilled :D
2020-03-03T16:11:07 < karlp> well no good story starts with "so I was on the internet being a know it all..."
2020-03-03T16:12:30 < Ad0> I try to use stm32flash, and it never manages to enter the bootloader. I use STM32G03xxx. So it says I should follow pattern 11. I set it to Boot0(pin) = 1, nBoot1(bit) = 1 and USE_BOOT0_OPT (bit) = 1 : https://i.imgur.com/PBaCJP1.png. reset goes to gpio16 from my device, boot0 goes to gpio17. so I do stm32flash -R -i -16,17,16:-17,-16,16 -r test.bin  /dev/ttyAMA0 -b 115200 but it never enters boot.
2020-03-03T16:13:51 < karlp> does stm32flash actually know how to move gpios properly? have you verified that?
2020-03-03T16:14:02 < karlp> does this work for you with another target? or is this your first time?
2020-03-03T16:14:10 < karlp> what host are you running it on that you have these gpio numbers?
2020-03-03T16:14:11 < Ad0> I tried to set them by hand
2020-03-03T16:14:17 < Ad0> rpi3
2020-03-03T16:14:44 < Ad0> I know the GPIos work because breakpoint hits start in main (means it resets)
2020-03-03T16:15:04 < Ad0> only thing that might not work is boot0
2020-03-03T16:15:36 < Ad0> do I have to completely disconnect the STM flasher?
2020-03-03T16:16:03 < aandrew> karlp: lol
2020-03-03T16:17:28 < aandrew> Ad0: generally speaking it's best to treat the system like it's going to explode if you don't follow procedure exactly. disconnect EVERYTHING except the DUT and the rpi. verify each GPIO moves when commanded (with a meter/scope, not a port readback). proceed slowly and deliberately
2020-03-03T16:17:51 < aandrew> once you become more familiar you can start to skip steps and make assumptions (such as leaving the programmer connected)
2020-03-03T16:18:24 < aandrew> but until you know how the system behaves and have a visceral understanding of it, it's best to not deviate because it tends to create more questions and slow you down
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2020-03-03T16:18:58 < Ad0> ok thanks. but looking at the screenshot, the option bytes are correct right?
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2020-03-03T16:19:23 < Ad0> also the GPIO sequence assuming it works.
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2020-03-03T16:20:19 < nn7> did I read correctly that with an stlink I can just use some sort of print statement to send debug info to the debugger?
2020-03-03T16:20:38 < kakimir> what is the use case for boot1?
2020-03-03T16:20:39 < aandrew> nn7: this is correct, it's called SWO and it can do a lot more than that
2020-03-03T16:21:07 < Ad0> kakimir, in the patterns it's a flag that has to match together with boot0
2020-03-03T16:21:11 < nn7> aandrew, oh?
2020-03-03T16:21:16 < aandrew> nn7: you may want to look at https://github.com/orbcode/orbuculum if you want your mind blown
2020-03-03T16:21:27 < nn7> I do want my mind blown. Thank you!
2020-03-03T16:22:11 < kakimir> sure Ad0. But what is BOOT1 = 1 used for?
2020-03-03T16:23:10 < Ad0> kakimir, https://i.imgur.com/tJ58rPi.png
2020-03-03T16:23:29 < Ad0> nBoot1 *
2020-03-03T16:23:54 < nn7> kakimir, I just had the unfortunate realization in a board I made that I needed BOOT1. BOOT0 was attached to a jumper but I couldn't get the bootloader to start. The reason why was that my BOOT1 pin (PB2) was floating, and it floated high (so BOOT1 = 1).
2020-03-03T16:24:26 < kakimir> what is use case of booting from sram?
2020-03-03T16:24:53 < kakimir> bootloading trickery?
2020-03-03T16:25:23 < nn7> Maybe for a custom bootloader.
2020-03-03T16:25:51 < Ad0> I want to use the standard one in my case
2020-03-03T16:26:20 < Ad0> "The STM32G03xxx/G04xxx bootloader is activated by applying pattern11"
2020-03-03T16:27:20 < Ad0> how can I check which bootloader version the chip has?
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2020-03-03T16:29:57 < aandrew> nn7: that's never fun. was it BGA? I recently had a board where Altium's fucking footprints were *identical* except that they swapped the position of PDR_ON and BYPASS_REG in the *schematic symbol* of the two BGA variants
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2020-03-03T16:30:00 < kakimir> sounds unnecessary but I bet there is command for bootloader to return version and also some rom routine to return it
2020-03-03T16:30:20 < aandrew> I didn't notice that, and ended up populating $600 of components per board on ten boards with that error
2020-03-03T16:30:57 < aandrew> fortunately I was able to steal 1.2V from the nearby FPGA and rework a signal on PA0 (which becomes a reset when the regulator is bypassed) 
2020-03-03T16:30:59 < nn7> aandrew, I have pins, and that pin was already routed as a GPIO line, so I could still play with the board.
2020-03-03T16:31:29 < nn7> also, this is a prototype with only about $10 worth of components. 
2020-03-03T16:31:53 < nn7> I see from here http://blog.atollic.com/cortex-m-debugging-printf-redirection-to-a-debugger-console-using-swv/itm-part-1 that I need to change some code to get the printf working
2020-03-03T16:32:57 < aandrew> you need to get stdio going to SWO yes
2020-03-03T16:33:20 < aandrew> offhand I can't remember how the cool kids do that these days, I'm in the middle of wiki updates on another project so my head's elsewhere
2020-03-03T16:34:38 < karlp> nn7: just like this or similar is enough: https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/blob/master/tests/shared/trace_stdio.c
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2020-03-03T16:35:14 < nn7> I found this https://mcuoneclipse.com/2016/10/17/tutorial-using-single-wire-output-swo-with-arm-cortex-m-and-eclipse/ which has some generic code for writing.
2020-03-03T16:36:00 < aandrew> karlp: might want to point him at https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/blob/master/tests/shared/trace.c as well for the function that actually writes to the ITM :-)
2020-03-03T16:36:28 < karlp> nn7: that article is cancer :)
2020-03-03T16:36:44 < karlp> you should _not_ be setting up all the trace hardware yourself, your debugger middleware does that itself.
2020-03-03T16:37:03 < karlp> I mena, you _can_, but it's super dumb, and wastes your own code space for it.
2020-03-03T16:37:08 < aandrew> I find a lot of mcuoneclipse seems to go way overboard
2020-03-03T16:37:10 < nn7> I skipped that part
2020-03-03T16:37:19 < nn7> just used the code for handling the characters
2020-03-03T16:37:28 < aandrew> not to mention he wastes a lot of time on eclipse. :-)
2020-03-03T16:37:54 < karlp> nn7: generally, you just write to those stimulus ports, and by convention channel 0 is for "pritnf"
2020-03-03T16:37:58 < karlp> but you can do whatever you want.
2020-03-03T16:38:36 < karlp> it's actually often nicer to just write the _value_ of what you want to separate channels
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2020-03-03T16:39:01 < karlp> then youc an use, eg, "orbcat -c 4,"my formatted %d" -c 6,"some other value: %x"" or something...
2020-03-03T16:39:18 < aandrew> ^^ that
2020-03-03T16:39:25 < karlp> (saves printf entirely on the target...)
2020-03-03T16:39:44 < nn7> this is all over my head :)
2020-03-03T16:39:44 < aandrew> so much nicer because you don't waste a shitload of embedded code on vsnprintf's hot garbage, pulling in floating point shit and so on
2020-03-03T16:40:28 < Cracki> nn7, what does your environment look like for now
2020-03-03T16:41:36 < nn7> Cracki, I have TrueSTUDIO and my board has both USB (dfu) and an stlink (nrst, swdio, swclk, swotrace) hooked up
2020-03-03T16:42:07 < Cracki> do you use cubemx to start your project?
2020-03-03T16:42:20 < nn7> yes
2020-03-03T16:42:28 < Cracki> great, then the atollic link you found should be good
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2020-03-03T17:00:24 < Ad0> aandrew, https://i.imgur.com/3X87T1H.png seems like it's doing it's thing on GPIO
2020-03-03T17:09:30 < nn7> When the debugger settings ask for my "core clock", what does that correspond to on my clock configuration graph in bluemx?
2020-03-03T17:09:33 < nn7> cubemx
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2020-03-03T17:09:51 < nn7> is that SYSCLK?
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2020-03-03T17:18:21 < Cracki> yes
2020-03-03T17:19:14 < nn7> ok thanks
2020-03-03T17:21:23 < nn7> Oh! I got something back on Port 0 but it's clearly chinese
2020-03-03T17:22:09 < kakimir> if I have bga with 0402 decoupling capacitors I'm doing something wrong?
2020-03-03T17:22:27 < kakimir> I have not yet checked how bad fit it is?
2020-03-03T17:22:33 < kakimir> *.
2020-03-03T17:24:27 < Laurenceb> https://www.theepochtimes.com/google-images-show-structural-problems-of-chinas-three-gorges-dam_2997665.html
2020-03-03T17:27:04 < aandrew> nn7: apparently your stm32 got the kung flu
2020-03-03T17:27:19 < nn7> coronavirus
2020-03-03T17:27:52 < Cracki> Laurenceb, this is an artefact. imagery laid on top of low resolution height maps. https://img.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2019/07/08/Three-Gorges-Dam-20092018.jpg
2020-03-03T17:30:41 < nn7> at first I was thinking this was a frequency problem but now I don't know.
2020-03-03T17:31:23 < nn7> something has to be interpreting this to non-ascii characters
2020-03-03T17:32:11 < Cracki> what do you send, how do you send it, how do you receive it
2020-03-03T17:32:19 < Cracki> what settings do you make
2020-03-03T17:33:17 < Ad0> I erased the chip and it works now, but stm32flash doesn't support my chip
2020-03-03T17:34:04 < nn7> Cracki, I copied the SWO_PrintString and SWO_PrintChar from here: https://mcuoneclipse.com/2016/10/17/tutorial-using-single-wire-output-swo-with-arm-cortex-m-and-eclipse/
2020-03-03T17:34:04 < Laurenceb> Cracki: no shit sherlock
2020-03-03T17:34:16 < Laurenceb> I was lolling at the fact they could be that retarded
2020-03-03T17:34:31 < nn7> Cracki, in my main code I have  SWO_PrintString("This is a test\n",0);
2020-03-03T17:34:55 < Cracki> nn7, maybe don't use that page, but the atollic one
2020-03-03T17:34:58 < nn7> and I followed this for setting up TrueStudio: http://blog.atollic.com/cortex-m-debugging-printf-redirection-to-a-debugger-console-using-swv/itm-part-1
2020-03-03T17:35:24 < Cracki> DO NOT use the code in that mcuoneclipse article. it's got too many magic numbers in it, which you don't even need
2020-03-03T17:35:48 < Cracki> literally, all you need is in the atollic article. ITM_SendChar used in _write
2020-03-03T17:35:49 < nn7> I'm scared to start editing standard library files and break other things
2020-03-03T17:36:02 < Cracki> that's ok, syscalls.c is _in_ your project
2020-03-03T17:36:05 < Cracki> it's meant to be edited
2020-03-03T17:37:01 < Cracki> check out https://github.com/eblot/newlib/blob/master/newlib/libc/stdio/fopencookie.c
2020-03-03T17:37:22 < Cracki> if you want a file handle (like stdout) but don't want to mess with stdout
2020-03-03T17:37:44 < Cracki> this is what I have: swv = fopencookie(NULL, "w", (cookie_io_functions_t){ .read=NULL, .write=swv_write, .seek=NULL, .close=NULL }); 	setvbuf(swv, NULL, _IOLBF, 100);
2020-03-03T17:38:02 < Cracki> and my swv_write does: while (n--)  ITM_SendChar(*buf++);
2020-03-03T17:38:34 < Cracki> (FILE *swv for that thing)
2020-03-03T17:39:51 < Cracki> the atollic article should be enough. just edit syscalls.c
2020-03-03T17:40:00 < nn7> yeah I'm looking for it
2020-03-03T17:40:22 < Cracki> it may be in Core/Src
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2020-03-03T17:42:51 < nn7> it must be hiding from me
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2020-03-03T17:45:19 < Cracki> file search then
2020-03-03T17:45:23 < nn7> tried that
2020-03-03T17:45:30 < nn7> "find" doesn't find it
2020-03-03T17:45:51 < nn7> I'll search inside the files
2020-03-03T17:46:02 < Cracki> cubemx may have failed to generate it
2020-03-03T17:46:07 < Cracki> check internet for cause and solution
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2020-03-03T17:46:32 < Cracki> is your cubemx outdated?
2020-03-03T17:47:09 < nn7> Version 4.25.1
2020-03-03T17:47:19 < Cracki> where did you get that from?
2020-03-03T17:47:22 < nn7> Shouldn't be older than this article, I haven't been using STM32 that long
2020-03-03T17:47:22 < Cracki> that's way WAY outdated
2020-03-03T17:47:32 < nn7> says copyright 2020
2020-03-03T17:47:37 < nn7> hmm.. ok. I'll go find another
2020-03-03T17:47:40 < Cracki> where did you get it from
2020-03-03T17:47:41 < Cracki> https://community.st.com/s/question/0D50X00009Xkdg3SAB/stm32cubemx-does-not-generate-syscallsc
2020-03-03T17:47:46 < Cracki> this is a 2017 issue related to this
2020-03-03T17:48:21 < Cracki> cubemx is at 5.x
2020-03-03T17:48:45 < Cracki> 5.5 at least
2020-03-03T17:48:52 < nn7> I see that. Thanks!
2020-03-03T17:49:05 < Cracki> where did you get 4.x from?
2020-03-03T17:53:16 < nn7> I assumed the STM website.
2020-03-03T17:53:51 < nn7> Who knows, really. My google searches when trying to get started led me all over the place. Lots of false starts and tutorials that were obsolete.
2020-03-03T17:54:05 < nn7> .... I need to create an oracle account to download JRE???
2020-03-03T17:54:40 < Cracki> not for the newest release, only for outdated ones
2020-03-03T17:54:46 < Cracki> outdated or long term support
2020-03-03T17:54:57 < Cracki> they only give you shit for free if you take the newest
2020-03-03T17:55:04 < Cracki> I'm assuming you're on linux or something?
2020-03-03T17:55:23 < nn7> no, windows. CubeMX complained that I had 32-bit jre
2020-03-03T17:55:36 < Cracki> then remove that
2020-03-03T17:55:47 < Cracki> cubemx may even come with or install jre by itself
2020-03-03T17:56:37 < Cracki> the big red button doesn't ask me for anything, and I don't see that I'm logged in in any way https://java.com/en/download/
2020-03-03T17:57:20 < nn7> yeah, something is funky
2020-03-03T17:57:37 < nn7> installed that, tried to run cube, cube said jre not installed, took me back to the same webpage.
2020-03-03T17:57:50 < nn7> oh! the java setup just continued about 90 seconds after it appeared to be done
2020-03-03T17:57:58 < nn7> setup window just reappeared
2020-03-03T17:57:59 < nn7> wth
2020-03-03T17:58:25 < nn7> ok, cubemx still complains about jre 32-bit
2020-03-03T17:59:03 < nn7> expanding that webpage shows a windows offline 64-bit, I'll try that
2020-03-03T18:00:13 < nn7> that worked!
2020-03-03T18:01:01 < Cracki> if you use truestudio, make sure it's the last version (9.3.0?). they got swallowed by ST and are now branded as CubeIDE
2020-03-03T18:03:05 < nn7> Yikes! I guess I'm a bit behind.
2020-03-03T18:03:27 < nn7> Somebody must have developed CubeMX on a 14" 4k monitor.
2020-03-03T18:03:34 < Ad0> hahaha
2020-03-03T18:03:40 < Ad0> it feels quite lumpy
2020-03-03T18:03:51 < Cracki> this is their last release before getting bought https://atollic.com/release-news/atollic-truestudio-stm32-9-3-0-released/
2020-03-03T18:03:51 < nn7> must have been a cellphone interface
2020-03-03T18:04:06 < nn7> let's make everything 3x as big but add nothing to the interface
2020-03-03T18:05:24 < nn7> I'm on 9.2.0.
2020-03-03T18:05:33 < Cracki> not much diff then :P
2020-03-03T18:07:45 < nn7> Thank you for all the help, Cracki!
2020-03-03T18:07:54 < Cracki> yw
2020-03-03T18:08:04 < nn7> you are my new best friend
2020-03-03T18:15:11 < aandrew> nn7: that's all part of the web 2.0 shit. gigantic fucking icons and no tooltips or way to scale
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2020-03-03T18:29:26 < nn7> file                                      window                                         help
2020-03-03T18:30:15 < nn7> Autodesk Trueview 32-bit will not install on 32-bit windows. Handy.
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2020-03-03T18:39:41 < nn7> I found syscalls.c!
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2020-03-03T18:47:12 < doomba> https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/tornado-2-ap-er-200303_hpMain_16x9_992.jpg
2020-03-03T18:47:23 < doomba> ^ elysium class asking siri for directions to another juice bar
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2020-03-03T19:04:18 < Steffanx> What about waffle.express kakimir  
2020-03-03T19:04:46 < kakimir> no waffles
2020-03-03T19:06:25 < nn7> ahhh I see, STM intended Cube to be run from within the IDE.
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2020-03-03T19:11:51 < nn7> looks like CubeMX generates code with USBD_Get_USB_Status at the bottom which breaks things. Nice.
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2020-03-03T19:37:32 < kakimir> do I need to get HDI board with bga?
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2020-03-03T19:38:03 < kakimir> practically
2020-03-03T19:38:28 < nn7> Cracki, woot! Two hours later and printf just works!
2020-03-03T19:39:35 < kakimir> nope
2020-03-03T19:40:10 < kakimir> something changed and you don't know what caused the problem
2020-03-03T19:40:24 < englishman> pretty sure it depends kakimir
2020-03-03T19:40:36 < englishman> there's some Bga shit on cheap chink 2/4l
2020-03-03T19:40:48 < kakimir> can I get microvias without HDI?
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2020-03-03T19:42:48 < jadew> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/vvapy4/man-fined-dollar500-for-crime-of-writing-i-am-an-engineer-in-an-email-to-the-government
2020-03-03T19:43:05 < englishman> speaking of pcb fabs has anyone's fab asked for via drills in finished diameter
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2020-03-03T19:51:28 < bitmask> graphite powder and india ink ordered to make some conductive ink.  what should a 3D print and coat in copper first?
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2020-03-03T20:11:18 < BrainDamage> jadew: in some countries, it is a protected title
2020-03-03T20:12:03 < Steffanx> Electrified dildo for sor bitmask
2020-03-03T20:12:24 < Steffanx> what else?
2020-03-03T20:12:25 < bitmask> good idea, naturally antibacterial
2020-03-03T20:16:33 < Steffanx> You already printed the egg sculpture from thingiverse right?
2020-03-03T20:18:24 < bitmask> heh no
2020-03-03T20:18:32 < aandrew> jadew: I had to change the name of my business to remove the word "engineering"
2020-03-03T20:18:36 < aandrew> it's a fucking idiotic law
2020-03-03T20:18:50 < aandrew> but I haven't got the time or resources to fight it to keep the name so I just changed it to electronics
2020-03-03T20:18:53 < aandrew> fuck 'em
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2020-03-03T20:19:53 < englishman> nor the legal footing
2020-03-03T20:20:02 < BrainDamage> aandrew: protected titles is nothing new, try to call yourself a doctor
2020-03-03T20:20:23 < BrainDamage> here engineer title has been protected since >50 years
2020-03-03T20:20:24 < Cracki> does he have a degree?
2020-03-03T20:20:35 < Cracki> looks to me like their issue is that he isn't registered in that state to practice
2020-03-03T20:20:58 < BrainDamage> having the title is not enough, you need to pass a state exam
2020-03-03T20:21:01 < englishman> I Joined the order and should be a full engineer by the end of next year
2020-03-03T20:21:16 < machinehum> gratz
2020-03-03T20:21:17 < BrainDamage> this applies for all protected titles
2020-03-03T20:21:27 < aandrew> yeah I could get a P.Eng to vouch for me and then join their club and pay the dues (which is all they want) and keep the name
2020-03-03T20:21:30 < aandrew> but why
2020-03-03T20:21:47 < englishman> insurance
2020-03-03T20:21:48 < BrainDamage> mmm, vouching is not necessary here, just the exam
2020-03-03T20:21:58 < BrainDamage> it's about liabilities
2020-03-03T20:22:04 < aandrew> no, I don't have a degree so I'd need a P.Eng in good standing to vouch for my experience
2020-03-03T20:22:18 < aandrew> BrainDamage: sure, if I was doing things that I needed to sign off on I see the point
2020-03-03T20:22:23 < upgrdman> yay! my mjpeg code cpu and gpu usage is now within 2% of chrome's performance.
2020-03-03T20:22:25 < aandrew> but I don't call myself a P.Eng, never have
2020-03-03T20:22:45 < aandrew> englishman is gonna be the p.eng cabbie
2020-03-03T20:22:51 < PaulFertser> "I'm not practicing engineering, I'm just using basic mathematics and physics, Newtonian laws of motion, to make calculations and talk about what I found,"
2020-03-03T20:23:16 < englishman> p.eng doesn't exist here
2020-03-03T20:23:21 < englishman> it's just engineer
2020-03-03T20:23:39 < machinehum> us?
2020-03-03T20:23:56 < englishman> and it's not just an exam, 2 years apprenticeship, work experience and current membership
2020-03-03T20:24:48 < englishman> machinehum: QC
2020-03-03T20:25:12 < aandrew> yeah here in ON it's an ethics exam and an annual fee
2020-03-03T20:25:15 < aandrew> which again is all they care about
2020-03-03T20:25:35 < PaulFertser> Ethics exam? Why?
2020-03-03T20:25:42 < aandrew> that's all it is here
2020-03-03T20:25:53 < PaulFertser> What is it about? Not violating GPL I hope?
2020-03-03T20:26:12 < aandrew> basically saying you won't besmirch the p.eng name by taking bribes to sign off on shoddy work etc
2020-03-03T20:26:22 < aandrew> that's probably why they don't do it in qc
2020-03-03T20:27:00 < PaulFertser> That's funny
2020-03-03T20:27:13 < Cracki> your customer pushes a thick envelope across the table. wat do you do [ ] pocket it [ ] pocket it and sign off [ ] REEE
2020-03-03T20:28:05 < PaulFertser> What was the end result, did he pay the fine?
2020-03-03T20:28:14 < PaulFertser> The article is from 2017.
2020-03-03T20:28:22 < Cracki> somewhere it says he paid the 500 but he may have triggered them some more
2020-03-03T20:28:38 < machinehum> PaulFertser: lol
2020-03-03T20:28:42 < sync> here you cannot call yourself an engineer without a university degree in an engineering discipline
2020-03-03T20:28:50 < sync> but apart from that nothing is needed
2020-03-03T20:29:15 < machinehum> sync: where's here?
2020-03-03T20:29:25 < sync> germoney
2020-03-03T20:30:11 < Steffanx> You wouldnt call yourself an "engineer" anyway. You germanify everything :P
2020-03-03T20:30:15 < Cracki> I'd like there to be some trade association that protects special titles, but "engineer" is too generic
2020-03-03T20:30:33 < PaulFertser> The guy's lab: http://www.jarlstrom.com/consulting_.htm
2020-03-03T20:30:33 < Cracki> call it "licensed engineer" or "board certified engineer" or watever
2020-03-03T20:30:47 < Cracki> boddax, uart? tx idles high iirc
2020-03-03T20:30:55 < PaulFertser> Yes, idles high
2020-03-03T20:31:02 < machinehum> I wonder if I can just get a peng to vouch for me in bc
2020-03-03T20:31:23 < Cracki> peng
2020-03-03T20:31:32 < Cracki> in some languages that means loud bang
2020-03-03T20:32:07 < Cracki> acoustic lab, I wonder where his noise-deadened room is
2020-03-03T20:32:09 < PaulFertser> https://reason.com/2020/03/02/oregon-tried-to-silence-this-engineers-red-light-camera-research-now-experts-say-he-was-right-all-along/ 
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2020-03-03T20:32:28 < Cracki> so they checked his math
2020-03-03T20:32:44 < Cracki> meanwhile the racketeers want money
2020-03-03T20:35:01 < PaulFertser> "the board's history of investigating everyone ... to political candidates who promised to "engineer solutions" "
2020-03-03T20:35:13 < Cracki> they want money for licenses? fine, let those people call themselves "licensed engineers", but fuck them for going after people who have degrees and work experience simply calling themselves what they are, engineers
2020-03-03T20:35:20 < Cracki> lol
2020-03-03T20:35:39 < Cracki> criminal investigation maybe, sounds like a self-serving organization
2020-03-03T20:36:14 < Cracki> good to see the law worked for him
2020-03-03T20:36:28 < PaulFertser> god bless america
2020-03-03T20:37:20 < Cracki> do judges have to pass some kind of "common sense" exam or do they get their license at the country fair shooting booth?
2020-03-03T20:38:26 < PaulFertser> I have an impression the USA judges count on their common sense a lot.
2020-03-03T20:38:31 < Cracki> law isn't often "common sense". one might lose that if immersed too much
2020-03-03T20:40:01 < PaulFertser> otoh, law isn't a math formula either, like it or not, so the judges have quite some freedom of interpretation.
2020-03-03T20:40:42 < Cracki> I've been watching some "tram driver's day" vids on youtube. inattentive people regularly need 1 second, often even 3 seconds, to react
2020-03-03T20:41:50 < specing> PaulFertser: USA has case law, not common law as in europe
2020-03-03T20:42:37 < Cracki> what's the difference? these terms sound very similar to me
2020-03-03T20:42:40 < PaulFertser> specing: I know.
2020-03-03T20:43:05 < PaulFertser> Cracki: basically, in the US a judge can use other judge's decision on a similar case.
2020-03-03T20:43:28 < PaulFertser> Cracki: as if any case results in a "new law".
2020-03-03T20:43:43 < Cracki> and... in europe that's not so?
2020-03-03T20:43:58 < PaulFertser> But that can be challenged too usually, if one eventually proves that it contradicts the "real laws".
2020-03-03T20:44:03 < Cracki> precedents are used for guidance in a judge's ruling in europe too
2020-03-03T20:44:18 < PaulFertser> Cracki: guidance only, the verdict is still fully based on the laws.
2020-03-03T20:44:43 < Cracki> the assertion was "common law as in europe", so what is common law, if not usage of previous rulings
2020-03-03T20:44:46 < Cracki> ic
2020-03-03T20:45:13 < Cracki> so the difference is one of degree
2020-03-03T20:45:45 < PaulFertser> I guess specing didn't mean common law.
2020-03-03T20:45:54 < Cracki> hm
2020-03-03T20:46:09 < aandrew> hm, this is my first time seeing C++ templating with stm32
2020-03-03T20:46:10 < PaulFertser> But civil law.
2020-03-03T20:46:18 < Cracki> sounds more plausible, yes
2020-03-03T20:47:12 < Cracki> a common law system sounds exhausting, you have to keep up with (or constantly dig through) all the rulings out there, instead of keeping up on the laws and their changes
2020-03-03T20:47:13 < BrainDamage> in europe a judgement is based off interpretation of the law and previous references only serve for a better interpretation 
2020-03-03T20:47:31 < BrainDamage> while in the us the previous rulings form the body of the common law
2020-03-03T20:48:15 < Cracki> what's their civil code and other codes used for
2020-03-03T20:48:46 < Cracki> nvm, laws passed... obviously not everything can be modeled as a court case
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2020-03-03T20:50:58 < PaulFertser> Also, I think they pass laws to accomodate for the changing world, and if the new law contradicts former court cases, the cases after that follow the law rather than the old decisions.
2020-03-03T20:52:06 < Cracki> this almost began to sound like religion, where scholars and practicioners publish opinions and from then on, nobody dares to deviate
2020-03-03T20:52:19 < BrainDamage> yes, they do have de jure laws, but the amount and scope is considerably limited compared to europe
2020-03-03T20:52:53 < BrainDamage> prior to a case lawyers and judges have to trudge through historical archives
2020-03-03T20:53:28 < Cracki> I'm excited for the time when AI can do that
2020-03-03T20:54:01 < PaulFertser> That's probably already happening.
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2020-03-03T20:54:38 < Cracki> sounds more challenging than applying this to medicine because medicine has laws of nature underlying it
2020-03-03T20:57:34 < Cracki> sounds like some kind of constitution court
2020-03-03T20:58:31 < englishman> inside europe there is coronavirus
2020-03-03T21:00:20 < Cracki> I am thankful for the greeks
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2020-03-03T21:04:47 < antto> u greek?
2020-03-03T21:05:05 < Steffanx> he's pizza baker.
2020-03-03T21:05:17 < Steffanx> *maker
2020-03-03T21:05:43 < PaulFertser> https://www.oregon.gov/osbeels/Documents/Board_Responses/CaseNo317-cv-00652-SB.pdf see how they mention plenty of other previous decisions.
2020-03-03T21:05:48 < antto> if i've made pizza at home, am i a pizza maker?
2020-03-03T21:06:05 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: baker also works
2020-03-03T21:06:22 < Steffanx> Whats ONG?
2020-03-03T21:06:24 < antto> boddax i ate it
2020-03-03T21:06:24 < BrainDamage> lewd
2020-03-03T21:06:28 < antto> teh pizza, not the pic
2020-03-03T21:06:29 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: NGO
2020-03-03T21:06:37 < BrainDamage> ONG is the italian spelling
2020-03-03T21:06:40 < Steffanx> hah
2020-03-03T21:06:49 < Steffanx> there is this dutch boat uploading immigrants yeah
2020-03-03T21:06:57 < Steffanx> or at least sails under dutch flag. the bastards
2020-03-03T21:07:20 < Cracki> they support human trafficking
2020-03-03T21:07:30 < Cracki> without them it would be less of a problem
2020-03-03T21:07:37 < antto> boddax thing is.. when teh pizza is ready, i take it out of the oven and slice it then eat it while it's hot.. no time for pics
2020-03-03T21:07:54 < karlp> nn7: yay, welcome to the wonderful world of trace :)
2020-03-03T21:08:05 < nn7> karlp, it's a miracle
2020-03-03T21:08:23 < karlp> nn7: and printf style is just the beginning!
2020-03-03T21:09:09 < Cracki> far from it :P
2020-03-03T21:09:36 < nn7> karlp, one miracle at a time
2020-03-03T21:10:05 < Cracki> also no :P
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2020-03-03T21:22:23 < englishman> tps2662x for low current barrel jack protection
2020-03-03T21:22:26 < englishman> looks decent
2020-03-03T21:22:28 < englishman> cheap
2020-03-03T21:24:59 < englishman> til it blows yeah
2020-03-03T21:25:47 < englishman> and not that much cheaper
2020-03-03T21:27:49 < englishman> not really
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2020-03-03T21:28:53 < Laurenceb>  CULO GRANDE  !
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2020-03-03T21:29:44 < BrainDamage> don't mind Laurenceb, he's infected from corona and the fever is making him insane
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2020-03-03T21:33:49 < aandrew> so C++'s static_cast<>() is just C's explicit cast?
2020-03-03T21:33:57 < aandrew> compile time, casting one type to another
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2020-03-03T21:36:30 < PaulFertser> aandrew: heh, C++ is so complex that not, not exactly like that: https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/explicit_cast
2020-03-03T21:38:34 < Cracki> a more human text perhaps http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/typecasting/
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2020-03-03T21:39:42 < PaulFertser> afaik cplusplus.com website shouldn't be used
2020-03-03T21:40:21 < Cracki> it's not as close to the specification as cppreference
2020-03-03T21:40:44 < Cracki> the distance can be an upside and a downside
2020-03-03T21:40:50 < antto> i find cplusplus easier to understand
2020-03-03T21:40:54 < antto> coz i'm dumb
2020-03-03T21:41:34 < Cracki> I think most find it easier to understand but the language lawyering is sometimes unavoidable
2020-03-03T21:41:43 < antto> cppreference is like talking with a lawyer over mail
2020-03-03T21:42:39 < Cracki> it's jargon :)
2020-03-03T21:42:47 < specing> cppreference is the coolest language reference
2020-03-03T21:42:51 < specing> I wish Ada had something like that
2020-03-03T21:43:13 < PaulFertser> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6520052/whats-wrong-with-cplusplus-com
2020-03-03T21:43:16 < antto> it would, if it woz as eggcelent
2020-03-03T21:43:35 < Cracki> would you know people who can do this for ada? looks like a wiki, community effort
2020-03-03T21:44:05 < specing> Cracki: yeah, I know myself
2020-03-03T21:44:20 < specing> gotta visit the time lords for a time loan
2020-03-03T21:44:31 < Cracki> put up a wiki, steal the cppref style, start :D
2020-03-03T21:44:52 < PaulFertser> loan would imply you plan to generate some "time revenue" to pay the interest fee.
2020-03-03T21:44:54 < specing> iirc they allowed me to do that
2020-03-03T21:44:56 < specing> I asked
2020-03-03T21:45:11 < Steffanx> Go specing. I will love you forever
2020-03-03T21:45:21 < specing> PaulFertser: no, I'd cheat them by just dying
2020-03-03T21:45:26 < specing> ha ha
2020-03-03T21:45:29 < PaulFertser> :D
2020-03-03T21:46:01 < antto> cheat0r
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2020-03-03T21:52:08 < Cracki> haha that SO questions and its answers... show that C++ is complex and naming it std::remove may have been a bad decision
2020-03-03T21:52:31 < antto> "RAII" is a bad name already
2020-03-03T21:53:02 < Cracki> I'm sure I don't understand it yet but so far it seems to shuffle things around so what you want removed is consecutive, then you erase it
2020-03-03T21:53:28 < antto> i haven't used much of std:: sh*t
2020-03-03T21:53:57 < Cracki> I can see why people choose anything else over c++, be it java, C#, plain C, ada, rust, ...
2020-03-03T21:54:12 < antto> but they are wrong ;P~
2020-03-03T21:54:36 < Cracki> you must use vim with one hand! and emacs with the other
2020-03-03T21:54:45 < antto> no
2020-03-03T21:54:56 < antto> wut if muh nose gets itchy?
2020-03-03T21:55:04 < Laurenceb> https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/3/feel-the-bern-bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-for-president-tshirt-design-presidency-politics-election-roland-andres.jpg
2020-03-03T21:55:08 < Laurenceb> wtf I hate bernie now
2020-03-03T21:55:52 < Steffanx> Thanks.
2020-03-03T21:56:00 < Steffanx> Hows brexit Laurenceb?
2020-03-03T21:56:16 < Laurenceb> the poles are deporting themselves
2020-03-03T21:58:05 < antto> poles?
2020-03-03T21:58:31 < Cracki> those things attracted by compass needles
2020-03-03T21:59:04 < Cracki> *attracting, or is it both
2020-03-03T21:59:13 < antto> perverted needles
2020-03-03T22:00:11 < doomba> lbfw (Laurenceb's face when) in 2030 when brexit did nothing to stop great replacement
2020-03-03T22:00:55 < Cracki> nobody should talk about stopping that, but reversing it
2020-03-03T22:01:06 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/Ktgm6On.jpg
2020-03-03T22:01:33 < antto> so, polishans
2020-03-03T22:02:00 < antto> why are they all frogz?
2020-03-03T22:02:21 < Laurenceb> because /brit/
2020-03-03T22:02:23 < Cracki> meme culture knows many types of frog
2020-03-03T22:02:31 < Cracki> pepe, groyper, marvin, ...
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2020-03-03T22:05:19 < qyx> karlp: no f7 examples or I am blind?
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2020-03-03T22:06:57 < qyx> hm, latest commit may 2019
2020-03-03T22:07:57 < qyx> oh reading your comment
2020-03-03T22:12:31 < aandrew> ah, these guys are using the stm32plus repo from github
2020-03-03T22:18:16 < karlp> the -examples repo is a wasteland of copypste I couldn't work with.
2020-03-03T22:20:11 < aandrew> yeah one of hte developers has said he has asked Santa to get rid of stm32plus from this design for years but so far hasn't got his wish
2020-03-03T22:23:17 < qyx> karlp: -template is okish?
2020-03-03T22:23:32 < karlp> -template and -miniblink are both meant to be good,
2020-03-03T22:23:46 < karlp> in at least as much as you can complain to me abotu them :)
2020-03-03T22:23:53 < karlp> -examples is just a soup
2020-03-03T22:24:03 < karlp> one the list of things to overhaul, to be peripheral based, but....
2020-03-03T22:24:25 < karlp> miniblink was intended to be the "use this to check your hardware and have a ready to go example for every single board"
2020-03-03T22:24:34 < qyx> ok
2020-03-03T22:24:37 < qyx> Ill try the template thing
2020-03-03T22:24:39 < qyx> first
2020-03-03T22:24:52 < karlp> I was just getting another copypaste of the entire usb cdc thing with a led change or something over and over again.
2020-03-03T22:25:13 < karlp> or copying entire trees from one f4 board to another and fixing _some_ of the differences.
2020-03-03T22:25:36 < karlp> unfortuantely, you can't use the -template repo as a github template, because they don't support submodules properly :|
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2020-03-03T22:30:43 < kakimir> music
2020-03-03T22:35:17 < Steffanx> pizza
2020-03-03T22:35:57 < qyx> so my beloved debian gives mi libusb access error
2020-03-03T22:36:01 < qyx> *me
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2020-03-03T22:37:09 < Steffanx> sudo it
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2020-03-03T22:37:23 < qyx> it was working in the past
2020-03-03T22:37:27 < machinehum> rm -rf it
2020-03-03T22:37:33 < Steffanx> You forgot to upgrade to windows
2020-03-03T22:37:49 < qyx> you are not being helpful
2020-03-03T22:37:54 < aandrew> Cracki> you must use vim with one hand! and emacs with the other
2020-03-03T22:37:55 < aandrew> lol
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2020-03-03T22:38:38 < machinehum> Add user to dialout
2020-03-03T22:38:58 < qyx> is it dialout for sure?
2020-03-03T22:39:18 < qyx> nope, I am in dialout
2020-03-03T22:39:30 < machinehum> What's the error?
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2020-03-03T22:39:46 < kakimir> Steffanx: I think I go to get a night pizza
2020-03-03T22:39:55 < Steffanx> Go go the waffles
2020-03-03T22:40:10 < kakimir> with extra corona
2020-03-03T22:40:16 < doomba> ah yes. beloved debian
2020-03-03T22:40:17 < karlp> qyx: you might need uaccess/useat stuff now with systemd debian?  groups were always a bad idea anyway.
2020-03-03T22:40:21 < doomba> great docker host
2020-03-03T22:40:29 < doomba> not so great for anything else
2020-03-03T22:40:40 < machinehum> Install libusb-dev?
2020-03-03T22:40:45 < karlp> https://github.com/ntfreak/openocd/blob/master/contrib/60-openocd.rules does the group + the tag, so normally works on both?
2020-03-03T22:41:27 < qyx> Ill try, it works with uid=0 :>
2020-03-03T22:41:34 < qyx> except
2020-03-03T22:41:45 < qyx> Error: timed out while waiting for target halted
2020-03-03T22:42:09 < qyx> I hate that learning curve when using a new micro for the first time
2020-03-03T22:43:10 < machinehum> Using stlink?
2020-03-03T22:43:29 < Steffanx> you forgot to use HAL qyx?
2020-03-03T22:46:34 < qyx> no, fresh install, fresh openocd, fresh gcc
2020-03-03T22:46:49 < qyx> and, most importantly, fresh configs :S
2020-03-03T22:47:02 < machinehum> What's the programmer?
2020-03-03T22:47:05 < machinehum> stlink?
2020-03-03T22:47:08 < qyx> stlinkv2-1
2020-03-03T22:47:28 < machinehum> When verson of openocd?
2020-03-03T22:48:04 < qyx> # reset_config srst_only srst_nogate
2020-03-03T22:48:05 < qyx> reset_config none
2020-03-03T22:48:07 < qyx> here we go
2020-03-03T22:48:34 < qyx> Warn : Cannot identify target as a STM32 family.
2020-03-03T22:48:36 < qyx> :(
2020-03-03T22:48:39 < qyx> ok,s orry for being verbose
2020-03-03T22:48:53 < qyx> machinehum: probably old it seems
2020-03-03T22:51:06 < machinehum> If you pulled it from apt it's probably old
2020-03-03T22:51:45 < machinehum> ls /usr/local/share/openocd/scripts/interface/ | grep stlink
2020-03-03T22:51:50 < machinehum> Try em all
2020-03-03T22:52:03 < machinehum> Might just be /usr/share/
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2020-03-03T22:54:05 < machinehum> Also I would reccoment going to v0.10
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2020-03-03T22:57:29 < karlp> I would reocmmend _not_ 0.10, it's archaic like debian...
2020-03-03T22:57:42 < karlp> you're going to want git ~recent, especially for f7...
2020-03-03T22:58:12 < qyx> I cannot find binaries
2020-03-03T22:58:17 < qyx> too lazy
2020-03-03T22:58:21  * karlp shrugs
2020-03-03T22:58:39 < karlp> ./configure --prefix=$HOME/.local ....
2020-03-03T22:58:52 < qyx> --prefix=/usr
2020-03-03T22:59:08 < karlp> heh, no, I like being able to nuke stuff a bit cleaner than that :)
2020-03-03T22:59:22 < karlp> and .local/bin and shit is in paths by defualt normally,
2020-03-03T22:59:27 < karlp> so ~same effect for the most part
2020-03-03T23:00:04 < karlp> now, who remmbers which stackup on jlcpcb I chose?
2020-03-03T23:00:18 < qyx> but yeah, now waiting for sf.net
2020-03-03T23:00:54 < machinehum> qyx: It builds from source easily on deb
2020-03-03T23:01:19 < qyx> how so
2020-03-03T23:01:28 < qyx> configure.ac:12: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_MSG_WARN
2020-03-03T23:01:36 < machinehum> If you want the newest, else you can grab .1 from stretch backports
2020-03-03T23:01:47 < machinehum> qyx: lol
2020-03-03T23:02:00 < machinehum> Well from what I remember
2020-03-03T23:02:49 < karlp> autoreconf -i? autohell man, sorry.
2020-03-03T23:03:06 < machinehum> Did you do the ./bootstrap ./configure thing?
2020-03-03T23:03:20 < qyx> yes did bootstrap
2020-03-03T23:03:39 < qyx> thats the problem of building things
2020-03-03T23:04:10 < qyx> pkg-config missing
2020-03-03T23:04:43 < qyx> also thats a common problem in software, instead of yelling install pkg-config you idiot
2020-03-03T23:05:04 < qyx> it says uh oh I cannot somthing because something else
2020-03-03T23:05:45 < machinehum> oh... fuck that
2020-03-03T23:05:50 < nn7> anyone else find that the stm32cubeide build is incredibly slow?
2020-03-03T23:07:02 < qyx> repo.or.cz down
2020-03-03T23:07:08 < qyx> so submodule init fails
2020-03-03T23:07:30 < qyx> ok i guess I am not going to do that today
2020-03-03T23:10:24 < machinehum> boo
2020-03-03T23:16:30 < karlp> bleh, diff pair routing busted in todays kicad
2020-03-03T23:18:00 < machinehum> He says, after preaching being on nightly openocd
2020-03-03T23:31:10 < Laurenceb> HAARP
2020-03-03T23:35:57 < Laurenceb> https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=mXDSAQAAQBAJ&pg=PT11&lpg=PT11&dq=capel+dewi+mst&source=bl&ots=AWHdVi64Wy&sig=ACfU3U2IRjyFJHV9lf9rnpqmKbr93-X9Ug&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj_r8WvoP_nAhXHRMAKHTGlBbY4FBDoATAEegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=capel%20dewi%20mst&f=false
2020-03-03T23:38:11 < doomba> i'm on my own PKGBUILD of openocd because of stm32g0
2020-03-03T23:40:26 < Steffanx> Dont die in the process
2020-03-03T23:41:04 < qyx> doomba: https://github.com/ilg-archived/openocd/releases/
2020-03-03T23:42:10 < qyx> downloaded centos x86_64 build, works
2020-03-03T23:49:04 < doomba> with g0 ?
2020-03-03T23:49:04 < qyx> idk
2020-03-03T23:49:04 < qyx> but with f7
2020-03-03T23:49:04 < doomba> i didn't think the official openocd worked with g0 yet
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2020-03-04T00:06:41 < karlp> machinehum: I know :) never had actual bustage like that before.
2020-03-04T00:18:29 < machinehum> lol
2020-03-04T00:18:38 < machinehum> kicad is an amazing project
2020-03-04T00:18:47 < machinehum> Almost as good as autism
2020-03-04T00:21:33 < qyx> everything works now fellow IRCers, I have a blinky LCD
2020-03-04T00:21:33 < qyx> on F7
2020-03-04T00:22:09 < nn7> congrats!
2020-03-04T00:23:17 < machinehum> coo
2020-03-04T00:23:25 < PaulFertser> "12oz Mouse" is rather cool
2020-03-04T00:23:36 < machinehum> I think I had to go to nightly ocd to get the L4 working
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2020-03-04T01:17:58 < englishman> https://twitter.com/Unheilsprophet/status/1234392153264181253
2020-03-04T01:18:11 < englishman> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESIa98SUEAAAMh6?format=jpg&name=medium
2020-03-04T01:28:20 < jadew> I want to see a movie with hot chicks
2020-03-04T01:28:26 < jadew> please recommend
2020-03-04T01:31:09 < catphish> have you tried porn?
2020-03-04T01:31:33 < jadew> I have, but it slipped my mind this time
2020-03-04T01:34:01 < kakimir> what kind of movie is such where is not at least one hot chick
2020-03-04T01:34:23 < jadew> I don't want to wait half an hour to see a hot chick
2020-03-04T01:34:29 < jadew> I want bouncy tits for most of the movie
2020-03-04T01:34:43 < kakimir> jeez
2020-03-04T01:34:55 < jadew> a horror of some sort I guess
2020-03-04T01:35:20 < kakimir> horror movie with a lot of balloon size titties
2020-03-04T01:35:24 < BrainDamage> charlie's angels
2020-03-04T01:35:45 < jadew> BrainDamage, there's a new one, isn't it?
2020-03-04T01:35:51 < kakimir> horror movies have chicks with flat chests
2020-03-04T01:36:00 < kakimir> and generally anemic
2020-03-04T01:36:03 < jadew> kakimir, not true
2020-03-04T01:36:53 < jadew> they have at least enough tits that they jiggle when startled
2020-03-04T01:37:25 < jadew> that's like rule #1
2020-03-04T01:37:33 < kakimir> sweet
2020-03-04T01:38:29 < kakimir> lmgfy https://www.allhorror.com/lists/top-10-best-sexy-horror-movies
2020-03-04T01:39:26 < jadew> good list, there are 3 I didn't see
2020-03-04T01:40:41 < kakimir> what happens if I have switches to drive directly to gnd or vdd?
2020-03-04T01:41:14 < kakimir> it's like 500mA line driver if I do simple math based on switch resistance
2020-03-04T01:41:22 < kakimir> 6-7ohms
2020-03-04T01:41:38 < kakimir> fully switched in typical 2ns or so
2020-03-04T01:42:18 < kakimir> probably switch resistance alters in function of current but that's beside the point
2020-03-04T01:42:31 < kakimir> *impendance
2020-03-04T01:44:46 < kakimir> maybe I add resistors at least as placeholders
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2020-03-04T01:56:11 < machinehum> jadew: laura croft, before they got... "woke"
2020-03-04T02:04:20 < jadew> they have a chick that looks like a boy in the new charlie's angles
2020-03-04T02:04:31 < jadew> https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BN2VkMjQwZWMtMzc1NC00ZjJiLWJlNTMtNmRjOTE2ZTJmYzUwXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMjUxMTY3ODM@._V1_SY1000_CR0,0,731,1000_AL_.jpg
2020-03-04T02:05:59 < jadew> machinehum, the new tomb raider chick (2018) doesn't look bad either
2020-03-04T02:15:59 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/15hS6o3Yl-9pVlcYVXfjyIHjpehMGH25R/view?usp=sharing
2020-03-04T02:23:35 < Cracki> jadew, the boy is the emo chick from the twilight series
2020-03-04T02:24:32 < Cracki> I like the schematic. looks cared for.
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2020-03-04T02:25:55 < kakimir> thanks
2020-03-04T02:25:58 < qyx> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/X3gOd.jpg
2020-03-04T02:26:07 < kakimir> first positive thing anyone have said about this project jadew
2020-03-04T02:26:34 < qyx> magic progressbar algo
2020-03-04T02:26:38 < kakimir> qyx: what dat?
2020-03-04T02:27:19 < qyx> l LCD
2020-03-04T02:27:21 < qyx> a LCD
2020-03-04T02:27:25 < Cracki> big throbber
2020-03-04T02:29:23 < qyx> yeah
2020-03-04T02:29:29 < kakimir> is it yours?
2020-03-04T02:29:49 < kakimir> as in your project design or som
2020-03-04T02:30:24 < qyx> yes but it is too dark to take a picture of the whole thing
2020-03-04T02:30:59 < kakimir> what is it for?
2020-03-04T02:31:58 < qyx> so I am wasting 216MHz of awesomeness to render a 20fps throbber on a SPI STN LCD using a highly unoptimal lib
2020-03-04T02:32:05 < qyx> it is a HMI screen
2020-03-04T02:32:14 < qyx> with CAN and stuff
2020-03-04T02:32:34 < kakimir> home management?
2020-03-04T02:32:48 < qyx> ho, pay project
2020-03-04T02:32:51 < qyx> *no
2020-03-04T02:33:55 < Cracki> pay, ho project, pay!
2020-03-04T02:36:25 < kakimir> no pay project ho
2020-03-04T02:37:08 < kakimir> there is insane markets for such
2020-03-04T02:37:42 < antto> kakiprospector
2020-03-04T02:38:45 < qyx> those LCD backlight wires are going directly over the proximity sensor, meh
2020-03-04T02:41:11 < antto> <sloth_talking_dirty_into_proximity_sensor.jpg>
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2020-03-04T02:56:53 < englishman> qyx: your screen has fingerprints on it
2020-03-04T02:57:25 < jadew> kakimir, Cracki gave you that compliment, but I like the schematic too
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2020-03-04T02:57:53 < kakinull> can you repeat
2020-03-04T02:58:17 < kakinull> I heard a message sound from my desktop but it's 5meters away
2020-03-04T02:58:30 < jadew> kakimir, Cracki gave you that compliment, but I like the schematic too
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2020-03-04T03:00:30 < kakinull> my eyes are apparently crossed
2020-03-04T03:01:09 < bitmask> must stop spending money
2020-03-04T03:01:22 < kakinull> who how?
2020-03-04T03:01:33 < bitmask> me
2020-03-04T03:01:54 < kakinull> yes
2020-03-04T03:02:16 < bitmask> I think I got acid everywhere, I need to be more careful
2020-03-04T03:02:56 < bitmask> my pants have holes, my laptop has stains, my desk has stains, my hot plate has shit all over , wood floor has spots
2020-03-04T03:03:11 < kakinull> how you stop spending money?
2020-03-04T03:03:26 < bitmask> I dont, i will keep spending it until I have none
2020-03-04T03:04:16 < Cracki> invest in a lab coat or apron
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2020-03-04T03:04:47 < bitmask> yea, or just throw old clothes on that I dont care about
2020-03-04T03:05:16 < Cracki> best is naked. clothes can catch fire or wick up (and distribute) stuff.
2020-03-04T03:05:31 < bitmask> honestly I usually am
2020-03-04T03:05:41 < kakinull> hot solder directly dropped to your lap is not fun
2020-03-04T03:05:42 < Cracki> same reason you only approach a lathe naked
2020-03-04T03:05:43 < bitmask> i left pants on for some reason though
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2020-03-04T03:05:57 < bitmask> so holes all over
2020-03-04T03:06:13 < bitmask> alright, I need to order some phosphoric acid
2020-03-04T03:06:45 < bitmask> why is some shit so expensive, i mean $25 isnt terrible (for a liter) but I wish it were cheaper
2020-03-04T03:06:54 < Cracki> srsly, people with ties have the same problem as people with long hoodie cords, they always dunk in whatever's in front of you
2020-03-04T03:07:09 < bitmask> i usually take my cords out
2020-03-04T03:07:31 < Cracki> you could order it from china, I'm sure that's cheaper as everything is
2020-03-04T03:07:44 < bitmask> i doubt chemicals would be
2020-03-04T03:07:47 < bitmask> well i dont know
2020-03-04T03:07:55 < Cracki> or ask around if anyone can give you a liter from their 10 cubic meter reservoir
2020-03-04T03:08:59 < Cracki> where would you buy that stuff? I think I saw a kind of online shop years ago where you could get anything in any quantity, just click it, and it's legal
2020-03-04T03:09:03 < bitmask> amazon prime seems to have a lot of 1 day shipping now, what happened with that? I ordered 5 or 6 things earlier and it will be here tomorrow
2020-03-04T03:09:17 < Cracki> more courier services in more cities
2020-03-04T03:09:18 < bitmask> including graphite powder and india ink, so I can start electroforming
2020-03-04T03:09:35 < bitmask> im just gonna get it on amazon and ebay
2020-03-04T03:09:45 < Cracki> the amazon branded little vans that drive around here seem to double as courier service
2020-03-04T03:09:59 < Cracki> and they seem to deliver packets when they're idle or sth
2020-03-04T03:10:24 < bitmask> well theres amazon flex  too
2020-03-04T03:10:57 < bitmask> but thats only locally, I guess it depends where the big warehouses are?
2020-03-04T03:11:40 < bitmask> oh I didnt realize they had 140 fulfillment centers in the uS
2020-03-04T03:11:52 < bitmask> theres 6 in my state
2020-03-04T03:12:33 < Cracki> I'm glad all the china stuff I order fits in the mail box. it would be unreasonable for anyone to bring this to my door (first floor) or even need me to be there
2020-03-04T03:13:19 < Cracki> parcels need to go that way too, something in between those parcel stations out on the street, and a mailbox just for letters
2020-03-04T03:13:55 < Cracki> is it a big state? 6 in the state may still mean hours of travel
2020-03-04T03:16:32 < bitmask> not very big relatively but very densely populated, ranked #2 only after the capital which isnt even a state
2020-03-04T03:16:51 < bitmask> so im not sure how that affects times
2020-03-04T03:17:18 < Cracki> if highways are clogged regardless, same diff? :>
2020-03-04T03:17:24 < jadew> bitmask, you should make yourself a copper penis and keep it on display in the living room. When someone asks, you can just say you did a porn one time and got the best dick award.
2020-03-04T03:17:41 < bitmask> good idea
2020-03-04T03:18:03 < bitmask> im sure her grandparents would like that
2020-03-04T03:18:14 < jadew> you could gold plate it too
2020-03-04T03:18:31 < Cracki> ENIG
2020-03-04T03:19:02 < bitmask> i was considering getting gold plating solution but too expensive, maybe silver
2020-03-04T03:19:30 < jadew> you can do gold plating in water IIRC
2020-03-04T03:19:53 < Cracki> that edible fake gold from china, was brass eh
2020-03-04T03:20:01 < bitmask> what, with a piece of solid gold metal? that isnt any better
2020-03-04T03:20:12 < jadew> bitmask, yeah
2020-03-04T03:20:17 < aandrew> Cracki: people with ties have the option of a tie clip (which they should be wearing anyway
2020-03-04T03:20:57 < Cracki> makes sense
2020-03-04T03:21:30 < bitmask> none of you etch your own pcbs right?
2020-03-04T03:21:42 < aandrew> when I was a teenager, yes
2020-03-04T03:21:46 < bitmask> heh
2020-03-04T03:21:47 < aandrew> not since then though
2020-03-04T03:22:21 < jadew> I do etch some boards from time to time
2020-03-04T03:22:23 < bitmask> I bought copper clad a while ago and never tried it, I think i wanna make a power supply for my electroplating
2020-03-04T03:22:32 < bitmask> so I ordered some of that blue dry film 
2020-03-04T03:22:40 < jadew> but I don't like making vias, so I avoid it as much as I can
2020-03-04T03:22:57 < bitmask> how do/did you make vias?
2020-03-04T03:23:05 < aandrew> I think I'd like to get a little PCB mill that could do 6/6
2020-03-04T03:23:21 < aandrew> just for quick shit, I think I'd get a fair amount of use out of something like that
2020-03-04T03:23:23 < jadew> bitmask, I solder a wire from both sides
2020-03-04T03:23:24 < bitmask> yea a pcb mill would be nice, i'll do that eventually but i'm gonna try etching first
2020-03-04T03:23:37 < bitmask> ahh ok, im gonna try electroforming them
2020-03-04T03:23:55 < jadew> yeah, that sounds like a much better solution
2020-03-04T03:24:40 < aandrew> I'm not sure what I'd electroform for
2020-03-04T03:24:57 < aandrew> it's a neat idea but if I've already got the mandrel in whatever shape I want I'd likely just use that
2020-03-04T03:26:10 < bitmask> ive got a jar of this deep green liquid left over from making the copper sulfate, im not even sure what it is
2020-03-04T03:26:16 < bitmask> its like 600ml
2020-03-04T03:26:22 < aandrew> I'm looking at the jewelry that people use it to make and it's all rather ugly
2020-03-04T03:26:31 < bitmask> haha yea I agree
2020-03-04T03:26:50 < bitmask> people like that ugly bumpy textured look for that too
2020-03-04T03:26:58 < bitmask> I just want smooth coating
2020-03-04T03:27:18 < aandrew> right, and I can see that being useful for thin even conductive coatings
2020-03-04T03:27:22 < aandrew> just not something I'd run into often
2020-03-04T03:28:11 < bitmask> I wish I had a resin printer for this though, small pieces with no layer lines would be ideal to coat
2020-03-04T03:28:39 < aandrew> yeah I would like a resin printer for sure
2020-03-04T03:28:55 < aandrew> I was part of hte ono/olo/whatever kickstarter but changed CC before they charged it and now I'm real glad I didn't
2020-03-04T03:29:11 < bitmask> you can get a decent one for under $300 but then you gotta buy resin and learn how to use it well and stuff, too much time/money investment right now
2020-03-04T03:29:24 < bitmask> and space is limited and fumes might be a problem
2020-03-04T03:29:38 < bitmask> never heard of it, brb
2020-03-04T03:30:09 < bitmask> the smartphone one?
2020-03-04T03:30:16 < aandrew> resin is messy, which is the same reason I don't particularly like playign with chemistry or even painting for that matter
2020-03-04T03:30:19 < aandrew> yeah
2020-03-04T03:31:13 < bitmask> if I had a desk I could leave messy things on then I wouldnt mind
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2020-03-04T03:32:18 < jadew> then you'd be in the same situation with the next messy thing
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2020-03-04T03:35:07 < bitmask> is it ono or olo? it says both
2020-03-04T03:36:15 < bitmask> i wouldnt mind getting one and creating my own system to use regular resin with it
2020-03-04T03:37:10 < bitmask> you can get a 2K screen the elegoo uses for like $30
2020-03-04T03:37:40 < bitmask> then just throw a uv light under it
2020-03-04T03:37:58 < bitmask> i mean really you can just build your own
2020-03-04T03:38:08 < bitmask> its only one axis
2020-03-04T03:38:19 < bitmask> anyway, stop thinking about this bitmask, too much other stuff to do
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2020-03-04T03:46:15 < aandrew> it was olo but someone claimed copyright/trademark
2020-03-04T03:46:25 < bitmask> ahh
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2020-03-04T04:04:23 < Laurenceb> reee come on based Bernie
2020-03-04T04:04:35 < Cracki> expropriation without compensation
2020-03-04T04:07:23 < Thorn> >Revision 1 Sep 2013 -- First FINAL release
2020-03-04T04:08:38 < Cracki> copy 2 new draft signoff v7
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2020-03-04T04:12:36 < Laurenceb> maybe spacex should 3d print a tower to the moon
2020-03-04T04:12:40 < Laurenceb>  /reddit
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2020-03-04T04:13:26 < Laurenceb> I think I worked it all out
2020-03-04T04:13:48 < Laurenceb> Musk came up with hyperloop to give reddit something to drool over
2020-03-04T04:15:16 < Laurenceb> Hyperloop will reinvent transportation to eliminate the barriers of distance and time!!!!
2020-03-04T04:21:17 < Laurenceb> use a node.js powered AI to 3d print a hyperloop to mars
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2020-03-04T05:34:21 < machinehum>  guys i think I have the corona sickness
2020-03-04T05:34:33 < machinehum> I drank 18 corona's and now I
2020-03-04T05:34:37 < machinehum> im throwing up
2020-03-04T05:38:14 < dongs> you should hurry up and kill youself
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2020-03-04T05:52:50 < dongs> why the fuck does kikecad export its xy data in such a moron fucking format
2020-03-04T05:52:51 < dongs> god damn
2020-03-04T05:52:55 < dongs> whats wrong with csv shit
2020-03-04T05:53:05 < dongs> fucking retarded fixed-width stuff but some shit is left or right aligned
2020-03-04T05:53:06 < dongs> idiotic
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2020-03-04T05:54:41 < machinehum> thanks
2020-03-04T05:54:48 < dongs> FUCK
2020-03-04T05:54:54 < dongs> exdcel doesnt even want to import it at all
2020-03-04T05:54:57 < dongs> in any format
2020-03-04T05:55:05 < dongs> it just thinks whole thing is a one column
2020-03-04T05:55:05 < machinehum> tf you talking about
2020-03-04T05:55:07 < dongs> thanks opensores niggers
2020-03-04T05:55:14 < machinehum> christ
2020-03-04T05:55:16 < machinehum> lol
2020-03-04T05:55:43 < machinehum> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udYBNf34-K8
2020-03-04T05:56:37 < dongs> woohooo
2020-03-04T05:56:44 < dongs> enabled "legacy" text importer for excel
2020-03-04T05:57:13 < dongs> and it actually f ucking works
2020-03-04T05:59:24 < Cracki> fortran-era text formatting
2020-03-04T06:00:13 < Cracki> you get to carve values out of an "ascii art" table
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2020-03-04T06:06:10 < dongs> and i think their xy data is mirrored for bottom........
2020-03-04T06:06:36 < dongs> i wonder if anyone using kikecad ever assembles PCBs with something other than tweezers
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2020-03-04T06:10:55 < machinehum1> You know you can just use autism?
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2020-03-04T06:11:31 < machinehum> like they got 8zillion export formats, each one created from when a spaz throws a fit
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2020-03-04T06:13:25 < machinehum> jadew: what titty non porn did you settle on
2020-03-04T06:13:32 < machinehum> I'm in the mood.
2020-03-04T06:15:51 < dongs> fucking autistic cunts
2020-03-04T06:18:57 < doomba> schizophrenic dongs
2020-03-04T06:21:03 < machinehum> brb, going to the store to get more corona
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2020-03-04T06:34:32 < dongs> oh no
2020-03-04T06:34:39 < dongs> its not "mirorred' its just sign inverted
2020-03-04T06:34:41 < dongs> what the hellll
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2020-03-04T08:26:40 < dongs> hm nope its still mirrored
2020-03-04T08:26:41 < dongs> god damn
2020-03-04T08:26:46 < dongs> fucking nigger opensores trash FUCK YOU
2020-03-04T08:27:11 < dongs> imagine having machine loaded before the fucking opensores nigger data is in usable format
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2020-03-04T08:36:22 < emeb_mac> managed to do some optimizing on that H750 + QSPI RAM project. indirect write & read access sped up to the point that it's using only 10% CPU (vs 2% for internal RAM)
2020-03-04T08:37:21 < emeb_mac> drops to 8% when I run the thing at full 480MHz :)
2020-03-04T08:39:01 < emeb_mac> now chasing a strange bug where some floating pt DSP code running on the H750 has audio distortion that isn't present when I run the same code on H743.
2020-03-04T08:39:29 < emeb_mac> I suspect I'm approaching a "teachable moment"
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2020-03-04T08:58:06 < dongs> cool
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2020-03-04T10:29:49 < PaulFertser> Cracki: I had experience parsing a silly table: https://paulfertser.info/aiSh4aih.txt it was annoying in many aspects: https://www.gitorious.org/sb2ofx/sb2ofx?p=sb2ofx:sb2ofx.git;a=blob;f=Sb2ofx.hs;h=fb291cefc3c2fd7739033edd45d4ab598b61808a;hb=HEAD
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2020-03-04T10:31:37 < PaulFertser> It even autodetects column widths
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2020-03-04T10:50:17 < dongs> ya so does excel
2020-03-04T10:50:19 < dongs> very nicely
2020-03-04T10:54:41 < PaulFertser> dongs: it wouldn't parse that file, no. It had multi-row entries which are to be concatenated without adding spaces.
2020-03-04T10:54:48 < PaulFertser> And other complications.
2020-03-04T11:00:30 < dongs> well yeah
2020-03-04T11:28:23 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: i dont trust your cert.
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2020-03-04T11:38:07 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: the cacert one? Eh, sorry.
2020-03-04T11:39:21 < PaulFertser> Or the gitourious one? They're hosted on webarchive so no wonder the cert doesn't match.
2020-03-04T11:43:03 < karlp> PaulFertser: "The certificate is not trusted because it was signed using a signature algorithm that was disabled because that algorithm is not secure" nice one :) not a common ssl warning
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2020-03-04T11:44:40 < PaulFertser> karlp: tbh, I still can't fully understand why it is happening, as cacert is already using a new root cert afaict...
2020-03-04T11:45:17 < PaulFertser> karlp: if you have the necessary knowledge/understanding, please share
2020-03-04T11:46:28 < jpa-> PaulFertser: cacert might be using a new root cert, but your cert is signed by the old MD5 root cert
2020-03-04T11:46:36 < PaulFertser> karlp: http://blog.cacert.org/2019/04/root-certificates-upgraded/
2020-03-04T11:47:17 < jpa-> it sounds like you should be able to get a new updated cert from cacert
2020-03-04T11:47:21 < PaulFertser> I thought "renew" after that was enough to get a properly signed cert.
2020-03-04T11:47:43 < PaulFertser> Hm, I guess I should just ask them on IRC
2020-03-04T11:49:49 < PaulFertser> Probably my apache should provide the whole chain?
2020-03-04T11:50:58 < jpa-> yeah, maybe it is now providing the old cert or something
2020-03-04T11:53:04 < karlp> PaulFertser: i hav eno idea, just not a warning I've seen before, normally cacert just shows up as "we don't trust this ca"
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2020-03-04T12:20:48 < PaulFertser> karlp: I think I fixed it now
2020-03-04T12:25:06 < dongs> finally done assembling kikecad thing
2020-03-04T12:25:11 < dongs> other than shitty data, the boards are actually not bad
2020-03-04T12:25:16 < dongs> that and he used some NRND parts
2020-03-04T12:25:27 < dongs> cyclone 10CL and DDR memory on 2L 
2020-03-04T12:25:32 < dongs> opensoresing like a pro
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2020-03-04T12:41:12 < karlp> PaulFertser: still says sig algo disabled here, but *shrugs* I trust you :)
2020-03-04T12:44:12 < jpa-> for me it now gives ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID so i guess that is progress
2020-03-04T12:44:16 < PaulFertser> karlp: probably your browser cached old result. I fixed the chain.
2020-03-04T12:44:24 < PaulFertser> Thanks for testing jpa-, karlp.
2020-03-04T12:44:42 < jpa-> https://www.sslshopper.com/ssl-checker.html#hostname=paulfertser.info  also says that the algorithm is now sha256 instead of md5
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2020-03-04T12:48:11 < jpa-> i think where that gets cached is if one adds an exception, then browser keeps that exception in memory instead of checking for new cert (because the exception doesn't say "trust anything" but "trust this specific cert")
2020-03-04T12:48:30 < jpa-> i needed to remove the exception to see the new, glorious error message :)
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2020-03-04T12:53:32 < karlp> yeah, I clicked to rremove the exception, but was still getting it, even in a private window :|
2020-03-04T12:54:06 < karlp> I get unknown issuer now, that's "normal" for cacert
2020-03-04T12:54:38 < dongs> NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID
2020-03-04T12:54:40 < dongs> i still get this
2020-03-04T12:54:53 < dongs> shouldnt you just use letsencrypt or wahtever
2020-03-04T12:58:16 < karlp> LE bows down to the previailing broken system or something.... (putting words in peoples mouths...)
2020-03-04T13:00:30 < jpa-> is there any nice way to get an interrupt when one-shot timer reaches its end, or do i have to use a compare channel for that?
2020-03-04T13:01:26 < jpa-> hmm, apparently i should be getting UEV
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2020-03-04T13:41:23 < PaulFertser> dongs: yes, I do not like LE for the reasons karlp mentioned, and also I do not like them not even trying to cover other X.509 usecases. 
2020-03-04T13:41:50 < PaulFertser> dongs: that said, you're probably right I just should use LE.
2020-03-04T13:44:29 < PaulFertser> I admit LE made the world much better.
2020-03-04T13:46:08 < karlp> (cacert.org still bows down by using the broken ca system, it's still wild trust that "someone" gets to decide all of it, cacert.org vs some other org is equally unknown outside small social groups)
2020-03-04T13:46:45 < karlp> jpa-: yeah, one shot interrupt should be just fine? works for me
2020-03-04T13:47:39 < PaulFertser> karlp: cacert.org features a web-of-trust system, kinda similar to how GPG keysigning works, so it's much more than just "automated website certificates".
2020-03-04T13:48:01 < karlp> yes, and web of trust is fucked in the head too.
2020-03-04T13:48:15 < jpa-> karlp: yeah, i think i have some bugs lurking elsewhere
2020-03-04T13:48:43 < PaulFertser> Any known issues with Wot?
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2020-03-04T13:49:10 < karlp> the concept itself?
2020-03-04T13:51:47 < PaulFertser> It seems to be in line with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation and the results seem to confirm that; e.g. being part of WoT is the requirement for Debian Developers, and afaict the project is happy with that so far.
2020-03-04T13:52:07 < karlp> yes, but debian is it's own world, far detached from reality
2020-03-04T13:52:25 < karlp> it's not about wehther you can get coverage via it, it's whether you _should_
2020-03-04T13:52:28 < PaulFertser> No, I mean they count on the GPG WoT, not their own.
2020-03-04T13:52:52 < karlp> they're probably the only users of it :)
2020-03-04T13:53:13 < PaulFertser> Don't you have "keysigning parties"?
2020-03-04T13:54:27 < PaulFertser> btw, I can't understand why OMEMO is not counting on WoT, that seems so counter-intuitive and weird.
2020-03-04T13:54:38 < karlp> cheap dev board: https://www.avnet.com/shop/emea/products/torex/xcl230b0k1h2-evb-33v-ts-3074457345638738840
2020-03-04T13:55:34 < karlp> I bet the part won't be that cheap...
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2020-03-04T14:11:02 < englishman> is a key signing party when opensores tools larp as security professionals?
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2020-03-04T14:20:35 < karlp> bah, new kicad today, diff routing still won't complete
2020-03-04T14:20:38 < karlp> tedious
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2020-03-04T14:44:21 < PaulFertser> englishman: nope, you just check someone's ID and take his key number, and when you have access to your own key you sign that key number and send to the keyserver to certify that this key belongs to the person named accordingly and that his ID was checked.
2020-03-04T14:44:29 < PaulFertser> Nothing particularly secure about it.
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2020-03-04T14:50:51 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: because for most intents and pourposes you have other channels to verify the identity of the other party
2020-03-04T14:51:12 < BrainDamage> you don't need remote verification of a new person which is all WoT is all about
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2020-03-04T15:01:18 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: for OMEMO? I can't see how to verify the other party. E.g. if I want to talk to your via OMEMO how can I be sure I'm establishing communication with you and not dongs?
2020-03-04T15:03:09 < englishman> sounds like letsencrypt with middlemen
2020-03-04T15:04:48 < PaulFertser> I really fail to see why OMEMO shouldn't be using GPG WoT directly...
2020-03-04T15:08:02 < karlp> I don't even know what omemo is or how it came up
2020-03-04T15:13:09 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: because typically you have /other/ channels to verify the contact
2020-03-04T15:13:14 < BrainDamage> in person, etc etc
2020-03-04T15:13:42 < BrainDamage> WoT is useful when you want to verify the key of someone you never beccome in contact with, but that's not the case for most p2p coms
2020-03-04T15:14:32 < BrainDamage> WoT is same as the TLS infrastructure, you want to verify the key of someone you never came in contact before
2020-03-04T15:14:38 < BrainDamage> eg your bank's site
2020-03-04T15:14:51 < BrainDamage> karlp: omemo is the encryption system for jabber/xmpp
2020-03-04T15:15:07 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: well, it's just would be easier to send a GPG-signed email to verify OMEMO contact than to do that manually.
2020-03-04T15:15:49 < BrainDamage> email is considered the poster child of an encryption system that's not usable from the masses
2020-03-04T15:16:04 < BrainDamage> so, no
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2020-03-04T15:17:13 < PaulFertser> Isn't GPG + e
2020-03-04T15:17:20 < PaulFertser> -mail the simplest sane system out there.
2020-03-04T15:17:49 < PaulFertser> It's like everything's working ootb with modern MUAs and distro gpg2.
2020-03-04T15:17:56 < PaulFertser> Fully effortless.
2020-03-04T15:17:59 < BrainDamage> absolutely not
2020-03-04T15:18:20 < BrainDamage> you need to generate a key manually, you need to publish it
2020-03-04T15:18:29 < BrainDamage> not all clients support it
2020-03-04T15:18:31 < PaulFertser> Just once.
2020-03-04T15:18:42 < PaulFertser> You do not need key generation or publishing in the client, that's the point.
2020-03-04T15:18:47 < PaulFertser> gpg2 takes care of all
2020-03-04T15:19:03 < BrainDamage> that's still two steps more than what most people bother with
2020-03-04T15:19:23 < PaulFertser> But you need to generate the key in any case.
2020-03-04T15:19:35 < BrainDamage> the program can automatically generate one for you
2020-03-04T15:19:37 < BrainDamage> and publish
2020-03-04T15:19:53 < BrainDamage> but the gpg security model is designed for most generic usage possible
2020-03-04T15:20:11 < BrainDamage> where you want to be able to secure metadata too, so you might want to distribute the key out of band, etc
2020-03-04T15:20:14 < BrainDamage> so it's not done
2020-03-04T15:20:16 < PaulFertser> It's trivial to embed this functionality (auto-key generation and publishing) in MUA. But users seem to not need it.
2020-03-04T15:20:44 < BrainDamage> seem to not need it? then why email is widely cited as the most complex cryptosystem existing?
2020-03-04T15:21:09 < PaulFertser> That I can't explain. Seem to fully contradict my own experience with it.
2020-03-04T15:21:24 < BrainDamage> I cited you two reasons and you just denied them
2020-03-04T15:21:32 < BrainDamage> you said they don't need them
2020-03-04T15:21:43 < BrainDamage> thus conflating your user case with the average
2020-03-04T15:21:51 < PaulFertser> I said I presume they do not need them because nobody implemented it in MUAs. Popular features get implemented.
2020-03-04T15:22:12 < BrainDamage> that's a baseless assumption
2020-03-04T15:22:24 < BrainDamage> features that interest the devs get implemented
2020-03-04T15:22:38 < PaulFertser> Also, when talking about complexity on the order of O(n) you do not usually account a tiny O(1) part of it.
2020-03-04T15:22:40 < BrainDamage> but a software developer and the average user are not the same entity
2020-03-04T15:23:14 < BrainDamage> usability of a cryptosystem is based off social metrics, not algorthmical
2020-03-04T15:23:36 < BrainDamage> you're again thinking differently from the average user
2020-03-04T15:23:51 < PaulFertser> You generate ssh keys manually too. Can't see why e-mail must be different.
2020-03-04T15:24:17 < BrainDamage> ssh is a tool for the tech savy, billions of people use email
2020-03-04T15:24:22 < BrainDamage> a couple million use ssh
2020-03-04T15:25:04 < BrainDamage> the target audience for ssh is already people with the know-how
2020-03-04T15:25:11 < BrainDamage> the target audience for email isn't
2020-03-04T15:25:34 < PaulFertser> I can't see why I would want to exchange encrypted messages with someone who can't generate a gpg key.
2020-03-04T15:26:08 < BrainDamage> and there you go, you once again demonstrated, for the third time, that you're not the average user
2020-03-04T15:26:23 < BrainDamage> and your personal experience is not a valid reference
2020-03-04T15:26:53 < BrainDamage> the point of mass deployment of encryption is to ensure a baseline of safe comms for how much shaky it can be
2020-03-04T15:26:54 < PaulFertser> Average users vote for putin, I can't care less about them and their usecases.
2020-03-04T15:27:13 < doomba> does russia have an equiv to the IRS?
2020-03-04T15:27:39 < BrainDamage> tls also hangs on so many principles that can be easily broken, yet you and everyone else uses it daily
2020-03-04T15:28:06 < BrainDamage> if you have special needs, you can always resort to strict protocol checking, etc
2020-03-04T15:28:30 < PaulFertser> doomba: an agency that collects taxes? Well, I guess I do not understand your question because I can't imagine a country without one.
2020-03-04T15:28:42 < doomba> yea that
2020-03-04T15:28:51 < doomba> an agency that collects taxes and enforces tax codes
2020-03-04T15:29:07 < PaulFertser> Taxation existed even in the ancient Egypt.
2020-03-04T15:29:23 < doomba> right but after fall of USSR, i thought russia went into anarchy mode.
2020-03-04T15:29:32 < doomba> is it still pretty much like that for taxation?
2020-03-04T15:30:49 < PaulFertser> doomba: russia is much less of an anarchy (if you mean decentralised control) than the USA, and I think it was so even in the beginning of the 90s.
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2020-03-04T15:31:53 < PaulFertser> doomba: one can argue how far russia is from being a "failed state" but I'd say it's clear it's certainly not "there" yet.
2020-03-04T15:32:10 < doomba> USA is a failed state rofl
2020-03-04T15:32:26 < doomba> we put on a really good show
2020-03-04T15:32:36 < doomba> make ourselves look like we have a gov
2020-03-04T15:33:02 < doomba> normies and their credit floating keep it all together
2020-03-04T15:34:43 < PaulFertser> doomba: russia is supposed to be a "federation" but in fact putin's system controls everything, so it's really far from being an anarchy. It's rather an oligarchy consisting of his closest "friends".
2020-03-04T15:37:25 < doomba> USA is supposed to be a "republic" but in fact a tight-knit group of industry moguls control everything, so it's really far from being an anarchy. It's rather a plutocracy consisting of the business "elite".
2020-03-04T15:37:52 < PaulFertser> USA is confederation afaik
2020-03-04T15:38:02 < doomba> on paper, it's a constitutional republic.
2020-03-04T15:38:17 < PaulFertser> Different states has some quite different local laws.
2020-03-04T15:38:28 < doomba> not really.
2020-03-04T15:39:43 < PaulFertser> Louisiana even has a distinct civil law system
2020-03-04T15:40:01 < doomba> yes but on the surface, the laws are more or less the same.
2020-03-04T15:40:29 < doomba> there are certain things that do differ though. especially when it comes to tax codes and things like drug policy.
2020-03-04T15:48:33 < PaulFertser> doomba: btw, we have a rather advanced "e-goverment" system https://gosuslugi.ru , one can get plenty of civil services via it.
2020-03-04T15:48:59 < PaulFertser> doomba: online banking is also considerably advanced.
2020-03-04T15:49:03 < doomba> ya
2020-03-04T15:49:18 < doomba> ok so what happens to people who lose their jobs and miss tax payment?
2020-03-04T15:49:29 < doomba> does the KGB come break their knees and kill their mom?
2020-03-04T15:50:17 < PaulFertser> No, KGB is a different department. You'll probably get letters about that, probably some fines eventually. Then if a court decides so you can lose some of your property.
2020-03-04T15:50:41 < PaulFertser> It's much more likely you'll have issues paying for water, heat and electricity long before that.
2020-03-04T15:51:47 < PaulFertser> People comparying Israel and Russia usually come to the conclusion both governmental and private online services are way more advanced in Russia. That's surprising but apparently true.
2020-03-04T15:58:01 < PaulFertser> BTW, EMV (first wired, then wireless) was common long before it become a thing in the USA.
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2020-03-04T16:36:50 < kakinull> germany bans export of medical protection gear
2020-03-04T16:38:27 < Cracki> PaulFertser, I'd have parsed that with python or perl or even just awk and sed. that heap of haskell looks very inconvenient.
2020-03-04T16:41:40 < PaulFertser> Cracki: I'm not sure ad-hoc parsing is easier to implement than contstructing a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parser_combinator 
2020-03-04T16:42:21 < Cracki> so it's a recursive descent parser?
2020-03-04T16:45:13 < PaulFertser> Cracki: yes. BTW, I'm familiar with awk, I can imagine doing the parsing in that old language too. But I'd say for someone familiar with Parsec it's likely to be easier to do it in Haskell.
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2020-03-04T16:48:31 < PaulFertser> sed is certainly out of the question for this task, I'd say.
2020-03-04T16:52:17 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: how many times do you have to parse that table?
2020-03-04T16:52:53 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: I used to do that once a month. Those are all operations from my bank and I wanted to import then in GnuCash.
2020-03-04T16:53:28 < BrainDamage> I would reformat the table in a way that's easy to parse
2020-03-04T16:53:38 < PaulFertser> Reformatting would require same parsing.
2020-03-04T16:54:17 < PaulFertser> They were just sending this text file via e-mail, without any other sane option.
2020-03-04T17:05:13 < karlp> "The FPGA family uses a novel configurable logic unit known as the Cologne Programmable Element (CPE)"
2020-03-04T17:05:25 < karlp> chips even have fucking cologne city skyline on them :)
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2020-03-04T17:56:23 < aandrew> BrainDamage> that's still two steps more than what most people bother with
2020-03-04T17:56:40 < aandrew> "most people don't bother" isn't a good reason 
2020-03-04T17:58:12 < aandrew> karlp: which chips are those
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2020-03-04T18:16:34 < BrainDamage> aandrew: it is a social barrier, otherwise people won't do it, the goal is increase the baseline of security for everyone, not for that 1 per thousand who already does get it
2020-03-04T18:18:34 < BrainDamage> ( you have to know the function exists, needs to be activated manually, etc )
2020-03-04T18:18:52 < BrainDamage> not to mention, share the keys between multiple devices
2020-03-04T18:22:01 < aandrew> BrainDamage: I understand that, and that's what https/imaps/smtps is for. gpg signed is end-to-end and WoT which are separate issues
2020-03-04T18:22:44 < aandrew> end to end is all but impossible with the email model as it is, which is why you have gpg signed/encrypted content, but that doesn't rpevent anyone from knowing you're communicating with someone else
2020-03-04T18:25:20 < BrainDamage> that was never part of the requirement
2020-03-04T18:33:20 < karlp> aandrew: gatemate: https://www.eenewsanalog.com/news/low-cost-european-fpga-launched-ipcei-support/
2020-03-04T18:34:05 < aandrew> hah, cologne chip, I used their ISDN BRI parts
2020-03-04T18:34:56 < Thorn> technological separatism in action: nobody wants to depend on american components with their anal export controls
2020-03-04T18:36:10 < doomba> it's ok Thorn 
2020-03-04T18:36:35 < doomba> we're working hard to eliminate wrongthink and lower our wages
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2020-03-04T18:37:38 < aandrew> lol, datasheet under login. fuck that
2020-03-04T18:39:24 < dongs> german?
2020-03-04T18:39:27 < dongs> gonna be expensive as fuck
2020-03-04T18:39:33 < dongs> if you gona use proprietary shit might as well just use some chink fpga
2020-03-04T18:39:42 < dongs> y/y/y
2020-03-04T18:39:48 < zyp> coronafpga
2020-03-04T18:39:52 < dongs> yes
2020-03-04T18:39:57 < doomba> ST has my email address at least 25 times now.
2020-03-04T18:40:06 < dongs> why dont you just register
2020-03-04T18:40:14 < doomba> because i'm lazy
2020-03-04T18:40:16 < dongs> or use the login at bugmenot
2020-03-04T18:40:24 < dongs> wait, they actualyl fixed thier site where you can jsut enter email to download?
2020-03-04T18:40:29 < dongs> its been broken for years
2020-03-04T18:40:32 < doomba> yea
2020-03-04T18:40:40 < aandrew> ST has my login, never been an issue with it forgetting
2020-03-04T18:40:42 < doomba> you can d/l datasheets and manuals without entering an email
2020-03-04T18:40:42 < dongs> you'd enter shit and it would go back to main apge for shit and you cant downlaod anything
2020-03-04T18:40:51 < doomba> but for malware.exe's they ask for email addr
2020-03-04T18:40:57 < doomba> then you have to click the link in the email to get your warez
2020-03-04T18:41:06 < dongs> yeah that doenst work
2020-03-04T18:41:13 < doomba> worked for me a couple weeks ago
2020-03-04T18:41:21 < dongs> guess they fixed
2020-03-04T18:45:44 < zyp> dongs, say, how's ECP5 availability in china? I see lcsc only have one entry for one of the variants and it states discontinued
2020-03-04T18:46:13 < zyp> and then on the other hand aliexpress is full of those $15 led matrix drivers that are based on ECP5
2020-03-04T18:49:34 < dongs> yeah should be available
2020-03-04T18:49:41 < dongs> i dont think ecp5 is anywhere near close to being nrnd
2020-03-04T18:49:45 < dongs> the one with PCI hard ip right?
2020-03-04T18:50:37 < zyp> just the SERDES, it's not PCIe specific
2020-03-04T18:50:49 < dongs> iirc there's a hard pcie block there too
2020-03-04T18:51:02 < dongs> everage low-cost ECP5/ECP5-5G SERDES, SGMII, and PCIe Gen 1 (2.5 Gbps) ...
2020-03-04T18:51:07 < dongs> oh, soft ip
2020-03-04T18:51:11 < dongs> using the serdes.
2020-03-04T18:51:16 < zyp> yes
2020-03-04T18:51:45 < zyp> I saw people dicking around doing usb3 on the serdes
2020-03-04T18:52:06 < dongs> cool
2020-03-04T18:57:54 < zyp> any chance you can get me a list of prices some time? (at least for the interesting variants)
2020-03-04T18:58:24 < dongs> ya. i think i quoted 256-bga before
2020-03-04T18:58:28 < dongs> get me a part# for that and i can check
2020-03-04T18:58:48 < zyp> it doesn't exist in 256-bga
2020-03-04T18:58:58 < dongs> should
2020-03-04T18:58:59 < dongs> sec
2020-03-04T18:59:42 < zyp> ah, the ones without serdes do
2020-03-04T19:00:28 < dongs> LFE5UM5G-45F
2020-03-04T19:00:33 < dongs> ah sorry more like... 283bga
2020-03-04T19:00:42 < dongs> or 381 maybe idk
2020-03-04T19:00:44 < dongs> anyway ill check
2020-03-04T19:00:45 < zyp> 285? that's 0.5mm pitch
2020-03-04T19:00:58 < dongs> 381-CABGA (17x17) nope 0.8 or 1mm
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2020-03-04T19:01:13 < zyp> yeah, 381/554/756 is 0.8
2020-03-04T19:01:17 < zyp> 285 is 0.5
2020-03-04T19:01:46 < dongs> 5G is the shit with serdes right?
2020-03-04T19:01:58 < dongs> so 381 is the only one available
2020-03-04T19:02:05 < dongs> in normal pitch
2020-03-04T19:02:19 < zyp> the M in the name is serdes
2020-03-04T19:02:32 < zyp> 5G has 5G-capable serdes, others are 3.25 or something
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2020-03-04T19:03:17 < dongs> LFE5UM-25 -45 -85 all exist in 381-bga
2020-03-04T19:03:26 < dongs> ill ask
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2020-03-04T19:04:45 < Thorn> what is the pitch
2020-03-04T19:04:50 < zyp> 0.8
2020-03-04T19:05:01 < Thorn> sounds home-solderable
2020-03-04T19:05:03 < zyp> hmm, I think 381 might be too small
2020-03-04T19:05:12 < dongs> for...?
2020-03-04T19:05:27 < zyp> I wanna hook up a sodimm socket, that's like 130 signals
2020-03-04T19:05:36 < dongs> 203 I/O 
2020-03-04T19:06:11 < dongs> 554BGA is only 245 I/O
2020-03-04T19:06:22 < dongs> like + 40 extra for a hueg increase in size heh
2020-03-04T19:06:32 < zyp> 259 for the -85
2020-03-04T19:06:56 < zyp> the -85 got a bank more that's not present in the smaller variants
2020-03-04T19:07:16 < dongs> zyp, today i assembled this weird ass jap 2L board with ddr and altera 10lp on it
2020-03-04T19:07:21 < dongs> both BGA
2020-03-04T19:07:59 < dongs> and chinese SPI sram
2020-03-04T19:08:06 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/LizzKUE.png
2020-03-04T19:09:37 < Thorn> not even any length matching in sight
2020-03-04T19:09:44 < dongs> well, it WAS made with kikecad
2020-03-04T19:09:52 < Thorn> how do they expect it to work
2020-03-04T19:09:57 < zyp> just because it got assembled doesn't mean it works
2020-03-04T19:09:59 < Thorn> lowest possible speed?
2020-03-04T19:10:10 < zyp> hmm
2020-03-04T19:10:12 < dongs> i thought you can do I/O delay stuff on fpga
2020-03-04T19:11:29 < zyp> what memory kind is that?
2020-03-04T19:12:35 < dongs> AS4C4M16SA-7BCN
2020-03-04T19:12:58 < dongs> sdram
2020-03-04T19:13:04 < dongs> not ddr i guess
2020-03-04T19:13:05 < zyp> ah, misread and google didn't get any hits
2020-03-04T19:13:18 < zyp> yeah, if it's SDR it probably doesn't need length matching
2020-03-04T19:13:30 < zyp> I didn't bother on that lpc43xx board either
2020-03-04T19:13:40 < zyp> not that I ever got around to actually using that for something
2020-03-04T19:14:45 < dongs> IPS6404L-SQ chinese SPI sram
2020-03-04T19:14:54 < dongs> IoT RAM!!111
2020-03-04T19:15:04 < dongs> it was like $0.8 or someshit or less
2020-03-04T19:15:06 < dongs> for 64mbit
2020-03-04T19:15:28 < dongs> i wonder if thats same shit emeb is using wiht hsi qspi stuff
2020-03-04T19:17:04 < kakinull> iran has released 54thousand prisonners
2020-03-04T19:17:35 < kakinull> europe welcomes
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2020-03-04T19:23:13 < Thorn> pro tip: less -r displays ansi colors: make 2>&1 | less -r
2020-03-04T19:24:44 < dongs> peopel still using lunix?
2020-03-04T19:25:28 < Cracki> windows has grown a proper pty, they call it conhost. apparently it's capable of handling ansi sequences now.
2020-03-04T19:26:10 < Cracki> not sure how to engage that though. the "colorama" module for python translates ansi into console api calls
2020-03-04T19:26:22 < doomba> gotta get all those lunix users into the windows fold
2020-03-04T19:26:23 < zyp> dongs, by the way
2020-03-04T19:26:28 < doomba> so much telemetry
2020-03-04T19:26:38 < doomba> microsoft needs the data for JEDI contract
2020-03-04T19:26:48 < Thorn> I'm using mac os fwiw
2020-03-04T19:26:55 < zyp> if you did a board with multiple usb-c ports, where one does usb2 only and the other usb3 or whatever
2020-03-04T19:26:57 < dongs> so you're a COMPLETE FAGGOT
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2020-03-04T19:27:02 < Thorn> bsd less understands -r too
2020-03-04T19:27:03 < Laurenceb> Vitamin K !!!
2020-03-04T19:27:10 < dongs> yes zyp it works
2020-03-04T19:27:15 < zyp> would you just use two full pinout sockets, or one reduced pinout and one full pinout?
2020-03-04T19:27:20 < dongs> oh
2020-03-04T19:27:25 < dongs> i'd use reduced yeah
2020-03-04T19:27:30 < dongs> well...
2020-03-04T19:27:32 < dongs> depends really
2020-03-04T19:27:38 < dongs> if it was cost saving issue or something
2020-03-04T19:27:43 < dongs> less stock items and such
2020-03-04T19:28:25 < zyp> yeah, on one hand it makes sense to save a BOM line, on the other hand the reduced one might be easier to route and possibly cheaper, idk
2020-03-04T19:28:34 < zyp> price difference probably doesn't matter
2020-03-04T19:28:51 < dongs> they're both retarded to route
2020-03-04T19:28:53 < dongs> in teh USB2 part
2020-03-04T19:28:57 < zyp> haha
2020-03-04T19:28:57 < dongs> (the center pins)
2020-03-04T19:28:58 < dongs> so..
2020-03-04T19:28:59 < zyp> true
2020-03-04T19:29:17 < dongs> zyp, im getting evalboard for FL6000
2020-03-04T19:29:25 < dongs> its a USB3 to 4x USB2.0 thing
2020-03-04T19:29:33 < dongs> as in, true 2.0 bandwidth to 3.0 upstream
2020-03-04T19:29:38 < zyp> nice
2020-03-04T19:29:38 < dongs> instead of just hubbing 2.0 into 480mbit
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2020-03-04T19:29:55 < zyp> that is pretty cool
2020-03-04T19:30:11 < dongs> it needs a driver (its on windows update tho) but it basically shows up as a USB3 xHCI host or whatever
2020-03-04T19:30:27 < dongs> the 4 2.0 ports are behind embedded 3.0->2.0 protocol translator or whatnot + hub
2020-03-04T19:31:25 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/WZDuUYs.png
2020-03-04T19:31:50 < kakinull> dongs: i use windows only for entertainment and irc
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2020-03-04T19:37:07 < Laurenceb> web three point zero!
2020-03-04T19:38:23 < englishman> SpaceX is going to psyche and Laurent isn't
2020-03-04T19:38:31 < Thorn> wtf why is template<SIZE> etl::array_view::array_view(T(&)[SIZE]) explicit?
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2020-03-04T19:47:40 < nn7> When I programmed the Atmel processors, requesting the value of PORTA only told me whether the output or pull-up was set high, I had to query PINA to know what the actual input was. How does HAL_GPIO_ReadPin behave?
2020-03-04T19:48:27 < Cracki> atmel mixes pullups (input) and output (output)
2020-03-04T19:48:30 < Cracki> stm32 doesn't
2020-03-04T19:48:37 < doomba> Por favor mantente alejada de las PORTA
2020-03-04T19:48:43 < nn7> Cracki you're still my best friend
2020-03-04T19:48:43 < Cracki> pullup/down is one register, output state for outputs is another
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2020-03-04T19:50:27 < Cracki> well, "register". bits in a register. hal abstracts that. they may or may not be together with other functions in a register.
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2020-03-04T19:53:20 < qyx> italians https://imgur.com/a/qlY9w0m
2020-03-04T19:53:26 < qyx> the jar is full of oil
2020-03-04T19:53:31 < qyx> no fish inside
2020-03-04T19:53:47 < Cracki> jar painted from the inside?
2020-03-04T19:53:54 < Cracki> ze fuk
2020-03-04T19:53:59 < qyx> no, looks like centrifuged fish
2020-03-04T19:54:09 < Cracki> ah, treachery
2020-03-04T19:54:18 < qyx> there is only like 5mm layer of fish from the inside
2020-03-04T19:54:28 < Cracki> consumer affairs case
2020-03-04T19:54:46 < Cracki> isn't it usual in italy to get shot by the police if you spit on the ground or jaywalk?
2020-03-04T19:54:58 < Cracki> (i would understand)
2020-03-04T19:55:07 < nn7> Singapore?
2020-03-04T19:55:27 < Cracki> is that the place where you get money for killing drug dealers
2020-03-04T19:57:35 < Cracki> nice, HKCU\Console\VirtualTerminalLevel to enable ansi sequences for all console programs that don't explicitly disable them https://www.dostips.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9144
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2020-03-04T20:27:53  * specing puts on hazmat suit
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2020-03-04T20:38:37 < kakimir> my guru told that style where you outline schematic with draw line is called obituary style
2020-03-04T20:38:53 < kakimir> because obituarys have outlines similar
2020-03-04T20:39:00 < kakimir> *obituaries 
2020-03-04T20:47:59 < kakimir> needless to say I got undertone that obituary style is non-professional
2020-03-04T20:48:40 < tomeaton17> https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/fd912x/taylor_swift_is_roasted_as_she_complains_about/
2020-03-04T20:48:54 < kakimir> I personally think so myself but I can't help myself
2020-03-04T20:49:25 < kakimir> login wall
2020-03-04T20:50:46 < kakimir> I just need to draw boxes around schematics
2020-03-04T20:50:54 < kakimir> autismus confirmed
2020-03-04T20:51:15 < kakimir> kicad
2020-03-04T20:54:11 < kakimir> ?
2020-03-04T20:57:54 < kakimir> routing is my art
2020-03-04T21:03:08 < kakimir> sure
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2020-03-04T21:07:20 < Steffanx> What about waffle express kakimir ?
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2020-03-04T21:10:59 < kakimir> Steffanx: not yet
2020-03-04T21:11:08 < kakimir> maybe in post office
2020-03-04T21:11:23 < kakimir> I got "net mail" informing that I have something in post office
2020-03-04T21:11:33 < kakimir> but I don't remember my "net mail" password
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2020-03-04T21:15:02 < kakimir> as I said "waffles delivered" is code for assassination successful 
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2020-03-04T21:18:59 < englishman> cool, our products are being used to detect counterfeit money via THz spectroscopy
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2020-03-04T21:19:58 < Steffanx> knowing its msp430 powered it must be crippled englishman
2020-03-04T21:20:25 < englishman> yes
2020-03-04T21:20:33 < kakimir> englishman: care to share signature data?
2020-03-04T21:20:35 < englishman> output is 5Hz tho
2020-03-04T21:20:40 < englishman> with stm32 it is 10Hz
2020-03-04T21:20:43 < englishman> much more better
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2020-03-04T21:40:32 < antto> muchos moar bett0r
2020-03-04T21:41:34 < antto> kakimir ur password is probably "SMAftw1234"
2020-03-04T21:41:50 < kakimir> nope
2020-03-04T21:44:08 < aandrew> no his password is "i<3atmel"
2020-03-04T21:44:49 < antto> no way, he's not even on #avrs
2020-03-04T21:45:27 < antto> if he's on #avr he akchually loves rue_bed
2020-03-04T21:46:27 < aandrew> lol, I actually visited rue when I was out west
2020-03-04T21:46:33 < aandrew> he's got a pretty sweet setup
2020-03-04T21:46:45 < kakimir> it's nxp4evr
2020-03-04T21:46:47 < englishman> did you move back?
2020-03-04T21:46:58 < aandrew> yeah I'm back in ontariariariariario
2020-03-04T21:47:09 < englishman> couldn't afford hongcouver?
2020-03-04T21:47:31 < aandrew> nah, there is just nothing there for me
2020-03-04T21:47:58 < antto> kakimir wut's so gud about en-eggs-pea?
2020-03-04T21:48:00 < aandrew> we originally moved for my son's acting, but the agent out there was no better. they have a good online school system (burnabyonline) which we are still enrolled in 
2020-03-04T21:48:14 < kakimir> antto: no ideaw
2020-03-04T21:48:20 < aandrew> but living in vancouver is shit. outside the city is really quite beautiful and I liked it
2020-03-04T21:48:24 < antto> such much answer
2020-03-04T21:48:32 < aandrew> but the weather in the winter is awful, gimme snow and cold to fucking rain every fucking day
2020-03-04T21:48:48 < aandrew> I hear the summers are much better though than in ontario
2020-03-04T21:48:49 < antto> kakimir are they senpai-approved even?
2020-03-04T21:48:51 < aandrew> but I wasn't there for it
2020-03-04T21:49:44 < aandrew> and it's a silly reason, but vancouver's fetish with saving money on traffic lights by only installing half of them (facing the major traffic flows) and flashing fucking green really got under my skin
2020-03-04T21:50:14 < antto> flashing green?
2020-03-04T21:50:15 < aandrew> and so much homeless compared to even toronto, wow
2020-03-04T21:50:51 < antto> here on some newer-ish trafic lights, the green starts blinking during the last few seconds
2020-03-04T21:51:14 < aandrew> antto: a normal intersection is four lights. solid red/green/blue, flashing green or arrow to indicate advance signal
2020-03-04T21:51:16 < englishman> lol the junkies
2020-03-04T21:51:32 < Cracki> what does blue do
2020-03-04T21:51:38 < antto> four?! dafuq
2020-03-04T21:51:44 < englishman> RGB traffic lights by corsair
2020-03-04T21:51:50 < antto> muh driving courses have been a lie
2020-03-04T21:51:50 < Cracki> why do you people not manage with red yellow green?
2020-03-04T21:51:53 < aandrew> antto: in vancouver they decided to install only two lights (facing the traffic flow on the more heavy route, say e-w), then the n-s has no light at all and e-w will flash green slowly to indicate go
2020-03-04T21:52:12 < aandrew> wtf
2020-03-04T21:52:13 < aandrew> no
2020-03-04T21:52:14 < aandrew> sorry
2020-03-04T21:52:14 < englishman> in Vancouver flashing green is to indicate a pedestrian controlled light
2020-03-04T21:52:18 < aandrew> solid red/green/yellow
2020-03-04T21:52:20 < Cracki> some civilized countries apparently even have a seconds countdown
2020-03-04T21:52:31 < aandrew> Cracki: yeah we have a lot of those even in backward vancouver
2020-03-04T21:52:34 < antto> englishman haha corsair
2020-03-04T21:53:10 < aandrew> antto: I am saying ther eare four sets of RYG lights, one facing each direction at an intersection
2020-03-04T21:53:19 < antto> we have seconds countdown even on pedestrian lights
2020-03-04T21:53:23 < antto> ;P~
2020-03-04T21:53:25 < aandrew> in vancouver they only use two sets which face the major route, and hte minor route has no lights
2020-03-04T21:53:37 < antto> but i think they started removing them
2020-03-04T21:53:38 < aandrew> antto: yes that is what we have, I have never seen seconds countdown on vehicle traffic
2020-03-04T21:53:57 < antto> cuz those "BWM" folks..
2020-03-04T21:54:10 < PaulFertser> In Japan they say that the green traffic light is blue. While it's in fact green.
2020-03-04T21:54:12 < aandrew> anyway - BC is a nice place to visit, but it's kind of backward and vancouver is just a shittier toronto
2020-03-04T21:54:31 < Cracki> i got the solution: pay the homeless a warm meal a day to signal traffic. I'm sure that's cheaper than a real traffic light
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2020-03-04T21:55:20 < PaulFertser> Cracki: all new traffic lights in russia got seconds countdown, both for cars and pedestrians.
2020-03-04T21:56:00 < Cracki> eggselent
2020-03-04T21:56:08 < PaulFertser> And they're soo slim
2020-03-04T21:56:41 < Cracki> countdown helps a lot in deciding if braking is advisable or not
2020-03-04T21:56:57 < Cracki> otoh who obeys traffic laws in russia
2020-03-04T21:57:23 < PaulFertser> Cracki: in Moscow the traffic is about the same as in Tel Aviv I'd say.
2020-03-04T21:57:43 < Cracki> so lots of arguing and violence
2020-03-04T21:58:02 < PaulFertser> Compared to Germany, probably. Compared to Italy, I guess not really.
2020-03-04T21:58:21 < Cracki> whenever I visited italy traffic was... creative
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2020-03-04T21:59:58 < Cracki> around here everyone stops for everyone. if you so much as face paved road as a pedestrian, you can count on some car stopping and light-flashing you if you don't cross within reasonable time :P
2020-03-04T22:00:10 < Thorn> traffic lights is also how Russian military imports restricted FPGAs for use in weapon systems lol
2020-03-04T22:00:16 < Cracki> hah
2020-03-04T22:00:59 < Thorn> people have been busted multiple times but I heard the scheme still continues
2020-03-04T22:02:03 < Cracki> I wonder what one would need a real fpga for in a traffic light. some simple programmable logic, sure. microcontroller, sure. aren't those things basically PLCs?
2020-03-04T22:02:29 < Cracki> or are those "traffic lights" designed and built for smuggling parts
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2020-03-04T22:04:07 < Thorn> I believe the reason is HDL designs can be formally verified unlike firmware
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2020-03-04T22:04:24 < PaulFertser> Good point!
2020-03-04T22:04:38 < Thorn> you don't want traffic light algorithms to have bugs
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2020-03-04T22:04:54 < PaulFertser> (well, firmware can also be formally verified of course, but that's a less common skill)
2020-03-04T22:05:58 < Cracki> primitives in fpga are simpler than those in microcontrollers, I guess that helps too
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2020-03-04T22:06:50 < Cracki> I could imagine someone formally verifying Cortex R core, but peripherals...
2020-03-04T22:06:58 < specing> Thorn: write firmware in Ada and you can formally verify it
2020-03-04T22:07:01 < specing> SPARKAda*
2020-03-04T22:07:22 < Cracki> how would you use a timer peripheral in ada
2020-03-04T22:07:24 < specing> The proving tools are in GNAT Community and the proofs are inline with the code
2020-03-04T22:07:24 < PaulFertser> But most of the traffic lights in moscow are remotely controllable. And there I bet they have regular software making decisions.
2020-03-04T22:08:23 < specing> Cracki: Like this https://framagit.org/specing/charger_monitor/-/blob/master/code/src/monitor.adb#L195 ?
2020-03-04T22:09:17 < PaulFertser> Example for stm32, motor control in IvoryTower: https://github.com/GaloisInc/smaccmpilot-stm32f4/blob/master/src/smaccm-flight/src/SMACCMPilot/Flight/Motors.hs
2020-03-04T22:09:37 < antto> we also got these pedestrian walkways that have a button - if no one presses it - it's never gonna give green to the pedestrians
2020-03-04T22:11:34 < PaulFertser> antto: we have some here too. But it's disabled when the light is part of a city-wide system.
2020-03-04T22:11:51 < antto> eh?
2020-03-04T22:12:46 < antto> here they put them in places where people often cross the road for some reason, but they don't wanna have regular red light for the carz
2020-03-04T22:13:07 < PaulFertser> antto: the button is ignored when the traffic light serves as a part of a city-wide traffic control system. Because you can't mix that in a sane way.
2020-03-04T22:13:19 < Cracki> specing, thx that's illuminating
2020-03-04T22:13:26 < antto> ah
2020-03-04T22:13:44 < PaulFertser> antto: it's not just about the pedestrian crossing, most traffic lights are on the intersections.
2020-03-04T22:14:03 < antto> in our case, the button doesn't just turn red for the carz, it "thinks" first
2020-03-04T22:14:46 < antto> here they've put dedicated lights for these places which are otherwise not road intersections
2020-03-04T22:15:20 < antto> like, some long-ish road with a bus stop, and people who get off the bus gotta cross it
2020-03-04T22:15:58 < antto> pedestrians get ranover'ed often, so they put these
2020-03-04T22:15:59 < antto> ;P~
2020-03-04T22:20:05 < Cracki> i have such a pedestrian crossing at my nearest intersection. it's switching fast if it hasn't for a while, slower if it's used repeatedly
2020-03-04T22:21:05 < Cracki> no traffic sensing, it's doing that to let the queued up cars pass before daring to go red again
2020-03-04T22:40:15 < karlp> qyx: heh, yeah, I had some italian fish in a jar like that too, was a bit annoyed
2020-03-04T22:40:21 < karlp> it did _taste_ delish though
2020-03-04T22:40:28 < zyp> the oil?
2020-03-04T22:44:11 < karlp> well, there was fish, just not as much as expected.
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2020-03-04T23:13:25 < mawk> vis
2020-03-04T23:13:42 < mawk> Steffanx Steffanx 
2020-03-04T23:13:45 < mawk> I can read the newspaper in dutch
2020-03-04T23:13:51 < mawk> most of it anyway
2020-03-04T23:13:57 < Steffanx> what news paper?
2020-03-04T23:14:21 < mawk> indebuurt delft or something
2020-03-04T23:15:04 < Steffanx> hah
2020-03-04T23:15:06 < Steffanx> some local stuff
2020-03-04T23:16:17 < Steffanx> Did you watch "dumpertreeten" yet mawk?
2020-03-04T23:18:12 < Thorn> tYpE iS LiMitEd pRiVaTe;
2020-03-04T23:20:57 < Steffanx> Is it now ThOrN?
2020-03-04T23:29:49 < kakimir> bankruptcy of airlines is begining
2020-03-04T23:29:58 < karlp> you bet :)
2020-03-04T23:30:08  * karlp fully expects icelandair to implode,
2020-03-04T23:30:37 < kakimir> flybe is going belly up
2020-03-04T23:31:46 < Steffanx> How much COVID-19 is there in iceland karlp?
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2020-03-04T23:35:20 < kakimir> remote host closed the connection ftw is wrong with this webchat
2020-03-04T23:35:24 < kakimir> wtf*
2020-03-04T23:36:18 < kakimir> maybe it's crhrome killing scripts after a period
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2020-03-04T23:37:42 < kakimir> -.-
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2020-03-04T23:38:57 < Steffanx> Why are you using a webchat mr kakimir?
2020-03-04T23:39:06 < kakimir> I don't remember
2020-03-04T23:39:19 < Steffanx> Awh, poor thing.
2020-03-04T23:43:37 < Cracki> have you tried weebchat.freenode.net
2020-03-04T23:45:09 < karlp> Steffanx: by icelanders favourite per capitat stat, we're probably regarded as an out of controltoxic wasteland?
2020-03-04T23:45:39 < karlp> they even interviewed a dude about it, and he was like, well, it's iceland, so we just tracked everyone down, and did a better job of it.
2020-03-04T23:46:07 < karlp> 25 or something confirmed cases, one briefly hospitalized, but discharged, all the rest itchy fit "feeling a bit sick, but no big deal" at home
2020-03-04T23:46:10 < kakimir> iceland has like population of 10 people
2020-03-04T23:46:39 < kakimir> hmm should I check flight prices
2020-03-04T23:46:54 < kakimir> I mean what a time to see all the sight seeing places
2020-03-04T23:47:18 < kakimir> like in movies, only few local people around
2020-03-04T23:48:13 < Cracki> what do they do with so many canceled flights? airports literally don't have a parking space for every plane out there
2020-03-04T23:48:22 < Cracki> not even close.
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2020-03-04T23:48:51 < kakimir> they park on runway ofc
2020-03-04T23:48:56 < Cracki> you could park them on grass away from the runways
2020-03-04T23:49:05 < kakimir> just close a runway
2020-03-04T23:49:20 < Cracki> hm, right, reduced flights, reduced need for runways
2020-03-04T23:49:39 < kakimir> grass won't carry a weight of airliner
2020-03-04T23:49:53 < Laurenceb> yay muh car is running
2020-03-04T23:50:08 < kakimir> did you do engine total overhaul lurencerboi?
2020-03-04T23:50:12 < Laurenceb> looks like it needed an ecu autotune
2020-03-04T23:50:15 < Laurenceb> yeah
2020-03-04T23:50:30 < Laurenceb> put the old camshaft back in tho :-S
2020-03-04T23:50:33 < Cracki> in school we visited the local airport once, I think I asked where they're parked. I had no idea they're *constantly* moving, around the clock, or waiting for cargo or getting quick maintenance
2020-03-04T23:50:51 < karlp> kakimir: no, crackis' right, some places have absolutely no way of landing all the planes.
2020-03-04T23:50:54 < Cracki> autotune? the problem wasn't mechanical
2020-03-04T23:51:06 < Cracki> ?
2020-03-04T23:51:19 < karlp> if keflavik is shut, the "backup" airports here have absolutely nowhere near enough capacity for parking planes.
2020-03-04T23:51:26 < Laurenceb> Cracki: I replaced the fuel injection system
2020-03-04T23:51:27 < kakimir> karlp: then they fly to other place
2020-03-04T23:51:39 < Laurenceb> and it was running weird afterwards
2020-03-04T23:51:42 < Laurenceb> https://vtec.academy/wp-content/uploads/wppa/814.jpg?ver=30
2020-03-04T23:51:57 < kakimir> remember 9/11 or iceland volcanoes going off?
2020-03-04T23:51:58 < Cracki> hm, new INFECTION system is a good reason to poke some registers
2020-03-04T23:52:13 < Laurenceb> my camshaft looks like that
2020-03-04T23:52:15 < Cracki> yikes, that looks chewed on
2020-03-04T23:52:19 < Laurenceb> sort of... not that bad
2020-03-04T23:52:28 < Laurenceb> about a third that bad
2020-03-04T23:52:37 < Laurenceb> I'll leave it for now...
2020-03-04T23:52:38 < kakimir> bad lubrication?
2020-03-04T23:52:39 < Cracki> out of oil? too much debris in the oil?
2020-03-04T23:52:51 < Laurenceb> something like that, I'll replace the oil tomorrow
2020-03-04T23:53:00 < Laurenceb> oil level is ok but maybe previous owner abused it
2020-03-04T23:53:07 < Cracki> maybe
2020-03-04T23:53:17 < kakimir> some cars just don't have propper oil flow
2020-03-04T23:53:28 < kakimir> in idle especially
2020-03-04T23:53:31 < Laurenceb> some people on car forums say it might be ok for a while
2020-03-04T23:53:51 < kakimir> did you replace bolts Laurenceb
2020-03-04T23:53:56 < Cracki> which means you should think about replacing it eventually
2020-03-04T23:54:07 < kakimir> or just "it will do" with old bolts?
2020-03-04T23:54:08 < Laurenceb> kakimir: which bolts?
2020-03-04T23:54:18 < Laurenceb> cylinder head?
2020-03-04T23:54:26 < kakimir> cam bearing upper halves
2020-03-04T23:54:34 < Laurenceb> oh I didnt take them off
2020-03-04T23:54:46 < Laurenceb> I'd only take them off if I was going to replace it
2020-03-04T23:54:57 < kakimir> oh you didn't replace it
2020-03-04T23:55:12 < Laurenceb> nah I'll see what happens to it...
2020-03-04T23:56:13 < kakimir> does it have rollers?
2020-03-04T23:56:29 < Laurenceb> yeah
2020-03-04T23:56:50 < kakimir> just keep driving it
2020-03-04T23:57:20 < karlp> kakimir: not every plane that is already en route for landing at KEF has fuel to fly anywhere else :)
2020-03-04T23:57:39 < karlp> they can fly to the designated backup airports in iceland, but those two can't handle many planes.
2020-03-04T23:57:55 < kakimir> oh we are talking about icelandair
2020-03-04T23:58:08 < kakimir> then they just leave their planes wherever they are
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2020-03-05T00:00:52 < karlp> not if they're in the air when it closes,.
2020-03-05T00:02:37 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: was it running rich?
2020-03-05T00:02:54 < kakimir> then they crashland
2020-03-05T00:02:58 < Laurenceb> its a diesel
2020-03-05T00:03:11 < Laurenceb> common rail - the injectors need autotuning
2020-03-05T00:03:17 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: ah, ok
2020-03-05T00:04:05 < Laurenceb> it had a nasty Siemens system, I swapped it for Continental
2020-03-05T00:05:32 < PaulFertser> Petrol engines have long-term fine-tuning coefficient to compensate for deteriorating injectors performance.
2020-03-05T00:05:50 < Laurenceb> yeah common rail diesel is similar
2020-03-05T00:06:43 < Laurenceb> I reset it all then ran the engine for 30 minutes or so at varying rpm/load
2020-03-05T00:06:46 < PaulFertser> And they really need that especially when they have to go out of stoichiometry because regular cars have only a narrowband oxygen sensor.
2020-03-05T00:10:05 < PaulFertser> Because there is just no data to close the loop in those modes (the lambda sensor says "you're rich" but it can't tell how much exactly, so if you intend to be rich to a certain degree, you have to open-loop that) 
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2020-03-05T00:16:12 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: so what did you do to reset it?
2020-03-05T00:16:43 < Laurenceb> got my friend to do it with stolen ford ODB2 software
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2020-03-05T00:38:39 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: great
2020-03-05T00:40:34 < Laurenceb> its a "ford" DV4 engine
2020-03-05T00:41:10 < Laurenceb> actually used by many car manufacturers, the ECU is next to useless, no logged errors for a start
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2020-03-05T02:57:30 < kakimir> what to order from internets
2020-03-05T03:00:42 < BrainDamage> a pallet of 74xx logic
2020-03-05T03:02:33 < Cracki> mail order bride
2020-03-05T03:05:55 < kakimir> yes a pallet of 74xx
2020-03-05T03:05:55 < Cracki> btw, I heard advice (and it being disputed) that coronavirus is better fought with soap than hand sanitizer
2020-03-05T03:06:09 < Cracki> soap because of its envelope
2020-03-05T03:08:02 < doomba> soap and water is better
2020-03-05T03:08:09 < doomba> disputed would be the hand sanitizer companies
2020-03-05T03:10:49 < Cracki> inb4 all the soap is sold out
2020-03-05T03:11:06 < Cracki> I guess hand sanitizer is more convenient when your overlords don't let you leave your post for 8 hours
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2020-03-05T03:15:26 < aandrew> https://i.redd.it/tu901b1dvnk41.jpg
2020-03-05T03:20:37 < kakimir> movie recommd: the flu
2020-03-05T03:21:01 < kakimir> ofc happy ending
2020-03-05T03:23:46 < kakimir> null>
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2020-03-05T03:57:07 < dongs> aandrew: https://github.com/issus/altium-library/issues/47 problem solved/explained. apparently discuck doesnt show removal messages or at least not the way that idiot did it.
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2020-03-05T04:02:33 < Cracki> discord is for gulaging people, not for fun or business
2020-03-05T04:02:34 < aandrew> dongs: wow sounds like a fun guy
2020-03-05T04:04:46 < dongs> lol yeah nothing of value was lost
2020-03-05T04:05:02 < dongs> i dont even use his library, who the fuck has time to wait 10-20 seconds per component
2020-03-05T04:05:12 < dongs> and I see zero value in digikey/etc integration
2020-03-05T04:05:32 < Cracki> ... wait for a component? doesn't this cache locally or anything?
2020-03-05T04:05:34 < dongs> i dont even install supplier shit when installing altium, i couldnt care less what digikey prices for partX si
2020-03-05T04:05:54 < dongs> and if you link to all those dynamic parts propertries, each time you open one up it takes several seconds to sync that shit
2020-03-05T04:05:57 < dongs> because altium is garbage
2020-03-05T04:06:05 < dongs> if I wanted cloud-parts-shit i'd just use circuitmaker or something
2020-03-05T04:06:19 < emeb_mac> dongs: the qspi ram I'm using is the LY68L6400 https://datasheet.lcsc.com/szlcsc/Lyontek-Inc-LY68L6400SLIT_C261881.pdf
2020-03-05T04:06:25 < dongs> emeb_mac: yeah ok same -ish shit
2020-03-05T04:06:50 < dongs> also cheap right
2020-03-05T04:08:09 < emeb_mac> yes 
2020-03-05T04:08:17 < emeb_mac> < $1 @ LCSC
2020-03-05T04:08:24 < dongs> and then the dude went on talking about some movie making shit (which is apparently his hobby) and I jokingly mentioned maybe he should make a #issus-hobbies channel to talk about that shit and he was like "but this whole project is my hobby so i can talk about wahtever i want here" okay
2020-03-05T04:08:38 < dongs> fkin nigger
2020-03-05T04:09:14 < dongs> emeb_mac: does H7 or wahetver qspi peripheral do both reads and writes tehn?
2020-03-05T04:09:28 < emeb_mac> dongs: yeah, sorta.
2020-03-05T04:09:33 < dongs> or do you haev to do writes in some fake way
2020-03-05T04:09:43 < dongs> thus the mode switching stuff
2020-03-05T04:10:18 < emeb_mac> you can write and read using indirect mode. Pretty much the same as plain old spi, but it handles a lot of the low level stuff of muxing cmd/addr/data onto the bus.
2020-03-05T04:10:34 < emeb_mac> and you can run it in mem mapped mode, but that's read only
2020-03-05T04:10:50 < emeb_mac> so if you want to write you have to switch back to indirect mode.
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2020-03-05T04:14:21 < emeb_mac> that IPS640 thing looks identical to the Lyontek one.
2020-03-05T04:14:42 < emeb_mac> same commands, even same speed limitations.
2020-03-05T04:14:58 < emeb_mac> probably stole the design from each other.
2020-03-05T04:16:58 < dongs> yes, haha
2020-03-05T04:20:27 < emeb_mac> H750 has something weird on it - GPIO pins named PXY_C - alternate pads that can be connected/disconnected from the main PXY pad with a switch controlled by the SYSCFG
2020-03-05T04:20:51 < dongs> whats a PXY?
2020-03-05T04:21:01 < Cracki> pa1
2020-03-05T04:21:03 < emeb_mac> PA0
2020-03-05T04:21:12 < dongs> oh
2020-03-05T04:21:22 < emeb_mac> So you get PA0 and PA0_C
2020-03-05T04:21:36 < dongs> and its a differfent pin?
2020-03-05T04:21:38 < Cracki> any explanation for the C? complementary maybe?
2020-03-05T04:21:40 < emeb_mac> yea
2020-03-05T04:21:55 < emeb_mac> it seems to just be a different analog input
2020-03-05T04:22:00 < Cracki> analog even?
2020-03-05T04:22:11 < emeb_mac> so it can have other ADC inputs
2020-03-05T04:22:32 < emeb_mac> and you can disconnect it from the main PA0 by setting a bit
2020-03-05T04:22:46 < emeb_mac> and they don't bond it out on most pkgs
2020-03-05T04:23:40 < Cracki> pc2 and pc3 have a _c, i don't see more yet for h750
2020-03-05T04:23:46 < emeb_mac> right
2020-03-05T04:24:00 < emeb_mac> there's only 4 pads like that listed in the docs
2020-03-05T04:24:10 < emeb_mac> PA0 and PA1 too
2020-03-05T04:24:13 < Cracki> "pin type analog", TT_a io structure
2020-03-05T04:24:24 < Cracki> oh there they are
2020-03-05T04:24:35 < Cracki> footnote says "to optimize performance"
2020-03-05T04:25:02 < emeb_mac> I guess you can open up the switch and then isolate that analog input better
2020-03-05T04:25:23 < Cracki> figure 76
2020-03-05T04:25:27 < Cracki> rm
2020-03-05T04:26:54 < Cracki> two arrows "To ADC"... i wonder if it's possible to use the PA0_C pin to adc, and PA0 no-C as non-adc gpio
2020-03-05T04:27:20 < Cracki> would depend on gpiox_moder bits
2020-03-05T04:27:33 < emeb_mac> seems so, if both were bonded out
2020-03-05T04:28:28 < emeb_mac> but that's only on the TFBGA-240
2020-03-05T04:30:10 < Cracki> you don't want that eh
2020-03-05T04:30:30 < emeb_mac> bgas not my thing
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2020-03-05T04:50:45 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/ugHwwpx.jpg
2020-03-05T04:50:59 < dongs> yesterdays intel/sdram thing
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2020-03-05T04:53:17 < dongs> zyp: LFE5UM-85F-8BG381I 35 bucks and MOQ of 450 (one box of trays)
2020-03-05T04:53:21 < dongs> so yea no
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2020-03-05T05:20:49 < dongs> https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/guides/single-rail-power-supply-platform-atx12vo-design-guide.pdf
2020-03-05T05:20:53 < dongs> ATX24 is dead
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2020-03-05T05:38:54 < Cracki> tldr tons of 12v and fuck the rest?
2020-03-05T05:40:00 < Cracki> "EPS12V" was that 4 pin gnd 4 pin +12v thing eh
2020-03-05T05:40:15 < dongs> ya
2020-03-05T05:41:41 < Cracki> wonder how they get 22a (12v) for a 95w tdp. 95w is ~8 amps continuous
2020-03-05T05:41:59 < Cracki> 22A continuous too
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2020-03-05T07:30:52 < R2COM> sup coronadongs
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2020-03-05T08:41:53 < jly> does anyone have the KUNG_FLU here?
2020-03-05T08:45:35 < dongs> yes
2020-03-05T08:45:46 < dongs> do you still have toilet paper over there in australia
2020-03-05T08:52:23 < Steffanx> Hm
2020-03-05T08:54:04 < antto> no corizzle vizzle yet in .bg
2020-03-05T08:54:32 < rajkosto> oh it there just not reported yet
2020-03-05T08:55:08 < antto> i mean no confirmed case
2020-03-05T08:57:37 < antto> jly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhLDsD7NTjY
2020-03-05T08:58:11 < jadew> where are the toilet paper shortages?
2020-03-05T09:00:32 < antto> (video not recommended for senpai)
2020-03-05T09:00:41 < dongs> jesus fuck what is this autism
2020-03-05T09:00:46 < dongs> are you really soldering a fucking 3225 for 25 mins
2020-03-05T09:00:49 < antto> too late
2020-03-05T09:01:09 < jly> I'm using a garden hose instead of toilet paper now
2020-03-05T09:01:18 < antto> hahaha
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2020-03-05T09:01:58 < antto> dongs only 3 minutes
2020-03-05T09:02:11 < jly> that's why we don't have guns in australia
2020-03-05T09:02:21 < jly> people would be shooting each other over toilet paper
2020-03-05T09:03:09 < dongs> https://youtu.be/iwW4klGKsVs?t=125
2020-03-05T09:03:23 < dongs> too late jly
2020-03-05T09:04:45 < jly> that's right
2020-03-05T09:04:46 < antto> toilet poipah
2020-03-05T09:04:54 < jly> BAT AIDS
2020-03-05T09:07:28 < antto> many toilet paper here are parfumed, but there's this one brand/model that smells f*ck epic, it's called "emeka paradise"
2020-03-05T09:07:59 < antto> * f*ckin epic
2020-03-05T09:09:05 < machinehum> I stocked up in tp
2020-03-05T09:09:10 < machinehum> China ran out
2020-03-05T09:09:34 < antto> https://www.cora.ro/images/products/2486478/gallery/2486478_hd_1.jpg
2020-03-05T09:09:42 < antto> seems like .ro has it too
2020-03-05T09:10:15 < antto> jadew do u know this one?
2020-03-05T09:11:30 < jadew> antto, I don't
2020-03-05T09:11:35 < jadew> but I'll check it out
2020-03-05T09:12:03 < dongs> antto holy shit
2020-03-05T09:12:04 < dongs> that v ideo
2020-03-05T09:12:07 < dongs> you should like
2020-03-05T09:12:10 < dongs> stop make:ring
2020-03-05T09:12:24 < antto> oh no, you must have reached the essense of the video
2020-03-05T09:12:36 < antto> that would be highly triggering
2020-03-05T09:13:54 < jadew> that's not how you solder an oscillator that like that
2020-03-05T09:14:14 < antto> it's not an oscillator
2020-03-05T09:14:19 < jadew> what is it?
2020-03-05T09:14:23 < antto> a crystal
2020-03-05T09:14:28 < jadew> ah, ok
2020-03-05T09:14:38 < jly> that's not a knife
2020-03-05T09:14:40 < jadew> anyway, you should have tinned the pads and used hot air
2020-03-05T09:14:41 < dongs> annto i donno 4 drops of solder paste and hot air 
2020-03-05T09:14:43 < jly> ..... that's a knife
2020-03-05T09:14:44 < dongs> ^
2020-03-05T09:14:51 < dongs> or what judenw said
2020-03-05T09:14:53 < qyx> like all say
2020-03-05T09:15:03 < qyx> also, tweezers
2020-03-05T09:15:09 < dongs> yeah what the fuck is that stick of shit
2020-03-05T09:15:11 < qyx> where are they
2020-03-05T09:15:22 < dongs> aitusm++
2020-03-05T09:15:37 < antto> what stick?
2020-03-05T09:15:55 < jadew> lol
2020-03-05T09:15:56 < qyx> the thing you are poking the crystal with
2020-03-05T09:15:58 < dongs> teh shit you flip the crystal and atmel aroudn with
2020-03-05T09:16:10 < jly> lol
2020-03-05T09:16:11 < jadew> that video is funny
2020-03-05T09:16:13 < antto> it's the solder wire
2020-03-05T09:16:17 < jly> i saw about fuck all of that vid
2020-03-05T09:16:25 < jly> idk what the point was
2020-03-05T09:16:50 < jadew> antto, also, that conical tip is garbage
2020-03-05T09:17:05 < jadew> you need a chisel tip for better heat transfer
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2020-03-05T09:17:19 < antto> jly you encouraged me long ago to go and put together some audio codec and some cortex m.. ^ that's it
2020-03-05T09:17:53 < jly> oh that vid?
2020-03-05T09:17:58 < antto> yeah
2020-03-05T09:18:18 < antto> there's a PCM3060 on the board and other sh*t
2020-03-05T09:19:02 < qyx> lol SIM800C is like $3 on lcsc
2020-03-05T09:19:14 < qyx> are they legit
2020-03-05T09:19:19 < antto> so far progress with the software is going slow, LEDs are blinking, spi seems to work, clocks and crystals work, I2S data signal is not doing anything
2020-03-05T09:19:35 < jly> so like what will you make it into
2020-03-05T09:20:01 < antto> the goal is to "port" my tb-303 emulation onto this
2020-03-05T09:20:07 < jly> ah yes i remember now
2020-03-05T09:20:09 < jly> cool1
2020-03-05T09:20:25 < antto> if it works, imma redo the board and slap a sequencer on it
2020-03-05T09:20:32 < jly> why not
2020-03-05T09:20:41 < jly> i like electronic sound gizmos
2020-03-05T09:20:58 < jly> so you only need the DAC for that project yea?
2020-03-05T09:22:25 < antto> no, i slapped a full stereo codec, because the square wave(shaper) of the 303 has always been difficult to emulate, and i can't estimate how much brain powah the chip has for DSP, so i added the real waveshaper circuit on the board
2020-03-05T09:22:39 < jly> fair enough
2020-03-05T09:22:57 < jly> I'm a fucking retard and I use ADI sigmadsps
2020-03-05T09:24:06 < antto> http://antonsavov.net/tmp/same53_audio.pdf
2020-03-05T09:25:01 < dongs> even more triggering wiht kikecad
2020-03-05T09:25:03 < antto> page 4, Q2 and surrounding passives is the 303 square shaper, i've pushed the power rails down
2020-03-05T09:26:46 < jly> cool
2020-03-05T09:26:53 < jly> so like this is based on the orig design?
2020-03-05T09:27:45 < antto> hell no, the original is fully analog (1982), the sequencer is 4bit NEC
2020-03-05T09:27:58 < jly> oh i see
2020-03-05T09:29:11 < jly> does sound more fun that what I get up to
2020-03-05T09:29:28 < antto> http://machines.hyperreal.org/manufacturers/Roland/TB-303/schematics/roland.TB-303.schem-5.gif
2020-03-05T09:29:40 < antto> this is the synth circuit ^
2020-03-05T09:31:11 < jly> I have a boss dd-3 laying around :D
2020-03-05T09:31:17 < jly> nothing of the sort but lol
2020-03-05T09:31:33 < antto> i have a boss dr220e
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2020-03-05T09:32:07 < antto> but it has neither midi nor dinsync
2020-03-05T09:32:29 < jly> and boss ct6 lol
2020-03-05T09:32:38 < jly> that was taped to the front of my amp
2020-03-05T09:33:10 < antto> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTEz-CsMFDo
2020-03-05T09:34:10 < jly> that's good for some devilish activity 
2020-03-05T09:36:49 < antto> jadew it's a $5 iron, fixed wattage
2020-03-05T09:39:55 < antto> i filmed it with my camera, but setup was very inconvenient for soldering, not to mention that the picture from the camera was 180° rotated
2020-03-05T09:41:11 < antto> but the cortex and crystals work so far, so it's doable in such ghetto conditions
2020-03-05T09:41:38 < antto> that should encourage n00bz
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2020-03-05T09:47:57 < jly> I blew up my iron
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2020-03-05T09:55:49 < jly> thermaltronics
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2020-03-05T11:41:07 < Steffanx> The metcal jly?
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2020-03-05T12:50:06 < karlp> ps
2020-03-05T12:53:02 < upgrdman> are all the italians dead from ncov19 yet?
2020-03-05T12:53:14 < upgrdman> or the iranians?
2020-03-05T12:53:16 < jadew> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/nep9ez/photo-of-couple-boning-on-top-of-pyramids-prompts-international-investigation
2020-03-05T12:57:07 < jadew> they censored nothing: https://static.wixstatic.com/media/d1fbfe_769b963824784f5ebdd3579eb0e85d68~mv2_d_4256_2848_s_4_2.jpg/v1/fill/w_1089,h_729,fp_0.50_0.50,q_90/d1fbfe_769b963824784f5ebdd3579eb0e85d68~mv2_d_4256_2848_s_4_2.webp
2020-03-05T12:57:16 < jadew> there's no dong in site
2020-03-05T12:57:27 < jadew> just a little bush
2020-03-05T12:58:23 < jadew> checked his other works, he's a shit photographer
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2020-03-05T13:00:56 < karlp> dongs: in that xray, are they all meant to be bridged like that? or is that why it was being x-rayed?
2020-03-05T13:23:54 < dongs> thats caps under side.
2020-03-05T13:23:57 < dongs> there's no bridges
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2020-03-05T14:31:45 < jadew> "3.4% Mortality Rate estimate by the World Health Organization (WHO) as of March 3"
2020-03-05T14:31:58 < kakimir> it's a lie
2020-03-05T14:32:02 < jadew> I agree
2020-03-05T14:32:26 < kakimir> it's like saying aids has 3.4% mortality
2020-03-05T14:35:19 < kakimir> Steffanx: do you mind if I googlemaps your house?
2020-03-05T14:42:52 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n3iQnYS_1flycd7J2nV3BZR-AwRVxF0s/view?usp=sharing emergency waffle
2020-03-05T14:44:27 < Steffanx> I dont mind. As long as you dont share it kakimir
2020-03-05T14:44:45 < kakimir> I'm not like that
2020-03-05T14:47:19 < kakimir> thanks for waffles
2020-03-05T14:47:39 < kakimir> I see intense farming in google maps satellite view
2020-03-05T14:48:06 < kakimir> INTENSE.. steff lives as close a agricultural fields than I do
2020-03-05T14:49:26 < dongs> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Illustration_of_SARS-COV-2_Case_Fatality_Rate_200228_01-1.png/480px-Illustration_of_SARS-COV-2_Case_Fatality_Rate_200228_01-1.png
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2020-03-05T14:51:18 < kakimir> what is your level of prevention and preparation dongs?
2020-03-05T14:51:24 < dongs> none
2020-03-05T14:51:26 < dongs> zero fucks given
2020-03-05T14:52:02 < BrainDamage> all I do is just wash hands more carefully
2020-03-05T14:52:03 < kakimir> jp gov threw a towel in the ring
2020-03-05T14:52:38 < kakimir> everything went wrong with that cruise ship thing
2020-03-05T14:59:22 < kakimir> there are 130 teenagers in quarantine in finland
2020-03-05T15:01:40 < kakimir> someone broke their quarantine rules immediately by going to market.. who would have known 
2020-03-05T15:02:24 < BrainDamage> here adults tried to force the military quarantine
2020-03-05T15:03:10 < karlp> our kitchen has started serving us food instead of buffet?
2020-03-05T15:03:25 < BrainDamage> thatsounds fantastic
2020-03-05T15:04:04 < karlp> except, not the bread, or the side dishes... or the buttons on the water fountains, so it seems like show and appeasement, but whatever.
2020-03-05T15:04:37 < BrainDamage> I mean, normal food normally tastes better than buffet
2020-03-05T15:04:48 < BrainDamage> whatever the reason is
2020-03-05T15:05:00 < karlp> well, it's the same food, just now the kitchen staff are standing there and plating it instead of doing it ourselves.
2020-03-05T15:05:31 < BrainDamage> oh, and one idiot went to the hospital of my city to get tested while he was working here, as soon as he heard he was positive ... he dashed out and took a taxi
2020-03-05T15:05:34 < karlp> it's not like the big cafeteria became a sit down restaurant or anything
2020-03-05T15:05:41 < BrainDamage> and got driven off for 80km
2020-03-05T15:06:16 < BrainDamage> to go back home
2020-03-05T15:06:28 < karlp> it's all udnerstandable though, "don't worry if you're on the inside of the walls, it's for your own protection..."
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2020-03-05T15:06:51 < BrainDamage> yeah, but he fucked up the taxist too now
2020-03-05T15:07:34 < jadew> the problem with quarantine measures is that they're not about the infected person, but about everyone else
2020-03-05T15:08:23 < jadew> when you're taking any measures where the final outcome is in terms of % of the population, then some people are going to draw the short stick (like the people under quarantine)
2020-03-05T15:08:34 < jadew> so from a personal POV, it's better to flee
2020-03-05T15:08:42 < jadew> you have nothing to lose - you already got it
2020-03-05T15:09:00 < jadew> if you don't have it, then again, you have nothing to lose, you might end up in a place where you are less likely to get it
2020-03-05T15:09:13 < jadew> either way, breaking quarantine is the best thing you can do for your own self
2020-03-05T15:09:48 < BrainDamage> that's not strictly correct, you might get worse medical assistance outside
2020-03-05T15:09:49 < jadew> unless they address that, and make it in your interest to stay in quarantine, people are going to keep busting out
2020-03-05T15:10:37 < jadew> BrainDamage, right, but I don't think that's true, you'd get better assistance in a place where you're one of the 2 cases, rather than in a place where you are one of 2000
2020-03-05T15:11:39 < BrainDamage> better medical services are in the hospital of the bigger cities, where you're not bound to be the only infected
2020-03-05T15:12:06 < BrainDamage> and there's 2000 in the whole country, not a single place
2020-03-05T15:12:13 < jadew> BrainDamage, so you would go to a big city with no confirmed cases :)
2020-03-05T15:12:28 < BrainDamage> funny, that'd be my city
2020-03-05T15:12:28 < jadew> I choose that number at random, just to make the point
2020-03-05T15:12:36 < jadew> hehe
2020-03-05T15:14:20 < karlp> "EAGLE is only available with a Fusion 360 subscription." ($495 / year)
2020-03-05T15:14:38 < jadew> fantastic, I'm sure eagle users are going to rush in to pay that
2020-03-05T15:14:41 < karlp> they're allegedly dropping linux support too.
2020-03-05T15:15:57 < karlp> ah, no, you can only get licensed eagle with a fusion 360 sub, and you can use that licensed eagle on linux, but youwon't be able to use the fusion 360 you had to pay for, because that's only windows/mac
2020-03-05T15:16:51 < jadew> are people still using linux?
2020-03-05T15:18:17 < jadew> for me, it felt like adoption peaked a couple of years ago
2020-03-05T15:19:30 < karlp> well, even if that was true, that peak is a very non-zero number
2020-03-05T15:22:59 < jadew> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_desktop_operating_systems#/media/File:Operatingsystem_market_share.svg
2020-03-05T15:23:12 < jadew> they had to zoom in into the noise so the linux line was visible lol
2020-03-05T15:24:31 < karlp> by that chart linux and osx are almost identical :)
2020-03-05T15:24:48 < jadew> yeah
2020-03-05T15:25:10  * karlp shrugs, I'm not usign eagle anymore anyway, but still think it's a bit lame if they're abandoning it.
2020-03-05T15:25:28 < karlp> I understand not choosing to develop something, but when you have it multiplatform, it seems lame to drop it.
2020-03-05T15:25:29 < jadew> I don't think they are
2020-03-05T15:25:53 < jadew> they want to integrate it with fusion, to make them both more appealing
2020-03-05T15:26:01 < BrainDamage> it's more funny that they acquired and then decided to drive it into the ground
2020-03-05T15:26:05 < jadew> they should have forked kicad IMO
2020-03-05T15:34:53 < aandrew> BrainDamage: where do you live that you're 80km from a hospital?
2020-03-05T15:35:18 < BrainDamage> aandrew: you got that wrong, the guy was working here, 80km away from his home
2020-03-05T15:35:30 < Steffanx> Is jadew still alive?
2020-03-05T15:35:34 < BrainDamage> the hospital is a couple of km away from me
2020-03-05T15:36:50 < BrainDamage> he took a taxi to get home, and did a 80km trip
2020-03-05T15:36:54 < aandrew> BrainDamage: aha
2020-03-05T15:37:03 < aandrew> sorry, misunderstood
2020-03-05T15:37:04 < jadew> Steffanx, I wash my hands too
2020-03-05T15:37:09 < jadew> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=232442.0;attach=944060;image
2020-03-05T15:37:51 < aandrew> jadew: my sister in law in bucharest was saying on the news they interviewed a guy who was infected (tested positive): "So are you going to self-quarrantine?" "Hell no, I am much too busy, I have a business to run and I can't afford to stay at home for two weeks"
2020-03-05T15:38:29 < aandrew> jadew: was that link supposed to be a farnell link saying "we can't find anything like oooooo in the catalogue" ?
2020-03-05T15:38:36 < jadew> aandrew, yeah, I expect a high percentage of the population will think like that
2020-03-05T15:38:54 < jadew> aandrew, yeah, but they offered a suggestion
2020-03-05T15:39:06 < aandrew> karlp: eagle already lost a shitload of clients when autodesk bought them
2020-03-05T15:39:50 < karlp> aandrew: oh I know, it's about when I decided to move away.
2020-03-05T15:40:17 < karlp> the first few releases were major improvements, but then it moved towards the "and now you shall join the autodesk subscription family"
2020-03-05T15:41:39 < jadew> subscriptions make the best business sense, if you can pull it off
2020-03-05T15:42:18 < jadew> they eliminates the risk that you make too good a product and the customer won't need to upgrade
2020-03-05T15:42:33 < karlp> it also eliminates casual users from useing it, 
2020-03-05T15:42:38 < karlp> filthy casuals.
2020-03-05T15:42:48 < jadew> yeah, but look what they did with fusion
2020-03-05T15:43:13 < jadew> it's a pretty good scheme
2020-03-05T15:44:07 < karlp> for some people.
2020-03-05T15:44:49 < jadew> yeah, there's probably a region there where you make too much money to use it for free, but you're too broke to buy it
2020-03-05T15:45:18 < jadew> and that's a recent change
2020-03-05T15:49:53 < aandrew> karlp: yeah I dropped them 100% when the autodesk acquisition ocurred, and was like 80% gone when they updated the icons, fixed NOTHING and said "hey look it's so awesome, and since it's a major version update, pay me!"
2020-03-05T15:50:37 < aandrew> I'm seriously looking at shapr3d for 3d shits on the ipad
2020-03-05T15:50:42 < aandrew> it's pricey subscription though
2020-03-05T15:50:50 < aandrew> but I guess a big part is "uh, compared to what"
2020-03-05T15:57:16 < jadew> https://greatgameindia.com/dr-francis-boyle-creator-of-bioweapons-act-says-coronavirus-is-biological-warfare-weapon/
2020-03-05T15:58:48 < BrainDamage> I wouldn't exactly consider a lawyer a reputable source for that
2020-03-05T16:00:07 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inld-zDad0c anyone else into 80s-90s alt rock?
2020-03-05T16:00:40 < jadew> BrainDamage, he seems to have an interest in biological weapons (has written a book on that), so he's not just some random lawyer
2020-03-05T16:01:15 < karlp> nice one kaks, love me some siouxsie
2020-03-05T16:01:16 < BrainDamage> still not an authority on epidemiology
2020-03-05T16:01:44 < BrainDamage> more music spam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtzhvJh9NRY
2020-03-05T16:02:00 < jadew> that's true, but he's basically saying that the authorities on epidemiology know about it and are hiding it
2020-03-05T16:02:34 < jadew> personally I have little trust in WHO at this point
2020-03-05T16:02:42 < jadew> they let this happen
2020-03-05T16:03:40 < BrainDamage> ah yes, they should've magically acquired power over all states and order a quarantine over china
2020-03-05T16:03:45 < BrainDamage> except they don't have any
2020-03-05T16:03:51 < kakimir> it's M.A.D.
2020-03-05T16:03:59 < kakimir> mutually assured destruction
2020-03-05T16:04:24 < jadew> BrainDamage, they should have declared it a pandemic much earlier
2020-03-05T16:04:38 < jadew> I don't think they've done that yet
2020-03-05T16:05:06 < jadew> but probably the chinese have their hands up their asses and are playing them like puppets
2020-03-05T16:05:25 < jadew> everyone in the world saw this coming a mile away and they were saying "there's no reason to stop flights"
2020-03-05T16:06:52 < aandrew> BrainDamage: the probelm is nobody in the virology field is gonna stick their neck out about this in any official capacity
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2020-03-05T16:07:48 < kakimir> or is it just CCP trying still to safe their face
2020-03-05T16:07:50 < aandrew> BrainDamage: the WHO is to blame here, they took their sweet time and *refused* to call a spade a spade. No, they can't make china or the US do what they say, but they can speak the fuck up, that's literally their only fucking job
2020-03-05T16:08:35 < aandrew> this is NOT the music I expected from a link here
2020-03-05T16:09:11 < jadew> hah, I don't even click anymore
2020-03-05T16:09:22 < jadew> I like the one BrainDamage linked tho
2020-03-05T16:09:43 < BrainDamage> I agree that they're meat puppets, but that that's in virtue of their lack of power
2020-03-05T16:09:55 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtFav19_UhE&list=PLQL8vLGlM3mnv34ULxCZ4Tkm8DSDBroYp is what I've been into lately (alt-country/alt-folk type stuff, he was the singer behind drive-by truckers too)
2020-03-05T16:09:55 < BrainDamage> they have to suck everyone's dick to exist
2020-03-05T16:10:11 < jadew> BrainDamage, probably, but they did do a good job with previous threats
2020-03-05T16:10:19 < aandrew> not all are like the first song though, he started out really folky on this album
2020-03-05T16:11:47 < jadew> BrainDamage, I like the placebo variant better of that song
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2020-03-05T16:12:55 < englishman> dongs: going to the Olympics?
2020-03-05T16:13:19 < dongs> totally
2020-03-05T16:13:26 < englishman> cheap tix?
2020-03-05T16:13:49 < kakimir> there is nothing to save olympics
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2020-03-05T16:17:44 < kakimir> it's already a fail but there is only a choice to cancel or not to cancel
2020-03-05T16:18:34 < BrainDamage> wouldn't be the first time that olympics got cancelled
2020-03-05T16:18:52 < BrainDamage> the main problem is the billion of bucks invested and potential revenue lost
2020-03-05T16:18:54 < englishman> who wants to go see an Olympics where only the Americans can cheat?
2020-03-05T16:19:18 < kakimir> revenue is already lost
2020-03-05T16:28:05 < aandrew> dongs is in the troll triathlon
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2020-03-05T17:32:27 < emeb> lol: https://store.arduino.cc/usa/portenta-h7
2020-03-05T17:32:44 < emeb> love how they keep calling ChromART a GPU.
2020-03-05T17:34:03 < dongs> did they publish real altidumb resources for this yet
2020-03-05T17:35:00 < dongs> ive been working with some project with NRF52 and dude is writing shit in retartdeuino IDE
2020-03-05T17:35:07 < dongs> each rebuild takes like 30 seconds on my gaming rig
2020-03-05T17:35:16 < dongs> it rebuuilds EVERYTHING even if you dont change anything
2020-03-05T17:35:24 < dongs> just clicking "upload" button fucking recompiles all
2020-03-05T17:35:37 < dongs> that is fucking insane, how do people get any work done on this shit
2020-03-05T17:35:39 < aandrew> dongs: nrf52 builds do not need to do that, htey're using a shitty env
2020-03-05T17:35:48 < dongs> sorry?
2020-03-05T17:35:50 < dongs> its literally
2020-03-05T17:35:57 < dongs> retarduino ide + aidsfruit nrf52 shit
2020-03-05T17:36:01 < dongs> one click setup
2020-03-05T17:36:05 < dongs> its what everyone uses
2020-03-05T17:37:33 < aandrew> yeah no need to use that shit
2020-03-05T17:37:50 < aandrew> redbearlabs I think it is who has a decent setup
2020-03-05T17:37:54 < aandrew> but that uses gcc so you wouldn't like it
2020-03-05T17:38:16 < dongs> what
2020-03-05T17:38:26 < aandrew> sorry lab11 not redbearlabs
2020-03-05T17:38:27 < aandrew> https://github.com/lab11/nrf5x-base.git
2020-03-05T17:38:34 < dongs> retarduino IDE uses gcc tgoo
2020-03-05T17:38:45 < aandrew> yes but in a stupid build env
2020-03-05T17:38:53 < dongs> thats raw nrf shit, im talking about retarduino
2020-03-05T17:39:02 < dongs> i aint gonna rewrite half this dudes shit
2020-03-05T17:39:08 < dongs> thats not my problem and im not getting paid for it
2020-03-05T17:39:08 < aandrew> bill for it
2020-03-05T17:39:09 < aandrew> do it right
2020-03-05T17:39:23 < dongs> im jsut lol'ing at him having to wait like 1 minute on each rebuild
2020-03-05T17:39:34 < dongs> (its 30 sec on my box, and liek 1 minute on his fucking mac
2020-03-05T17:42:45 < aandrew> 9m to build qemu arm-softmmu from scratch
2020-03-05T17:47:32 < karlp> what do you run with that?
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2020-03-05T17:48:32 < aandrew> karlp: goal is to emulate enough of an stm32f407 (gpio, timers, adc, wdt, ethernet) to do some automated testing
2020-03-05T17:52:12 < dongs> someone else in here was doing something with that
2020-03-05T17:52:18 < dongs> migth have been zyp
2020-03-05T17:52:25 < dongs> not sure how much he implemented
2020-03-05T17:54:22 < zyp> maybe somebody else
2020-03-05T17:54:35 < dongs> hmmm
2020-03-05T17:54:42 < zyp> I've only use qemu with the cortex-m core itself
2020-03-05T17:54:53 < zyp> IIRC TI stellaris
2020-03-05T17:55:29 < zyp> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/zyp-qemu-hosting.notes <- this shit
2020-03-05T17:56:09 < dongs> https://medium.com/@ly.lee/stm32-blue-pill-unit-testing-with-qemu-blue-pill-emulator-9d88002a68b2
2020-03-05T17:56:58 < dongs> https://github.com/beckus/qemu_stm32/commits/stm32 seems still maintained
2020-03-05T17:56:58 < srk> heh that stm32 qemu fork is fun
2020-03-05T17:57:02 < dongs> might be some ideas to steal
2020-03-05T17:57:09 < srk> it even has full ugly adc implemented
2020-03-05T17:57:26 < zyp> the lm3s shit I used was in qemu mainline
2020-03-05T17:57:28 < srk> I'm now trying to figure out real hardware testing 
2020-03-05T17:57:31 < zyp> not a fork
2020-03-05T17:57:42 < srk> can control USB hub and do remote gdb
2020-03-05T17:58:08 < zyp> karlp is doing some on that too
2020-03-05T17:58:11 < srk> some minimal stm32 is in mainline iirc
2020-03-05T17:58:53 < PaulFertser> srk: my xmobar patch was accepted without any code changes. My issue reports against the "netlink" library are just ignored.
2020-03-05T17:59:39 < zyp> IME patches tends to be more interesting than issue reports
2020-03-05T17:59:41 < srk> hah nope
2020-03-05T18:00:02 < zyp> solutions are more interesting than problems
2020-03-05T18:00:30 < srk> PaulFertser: cool. netlink is cursed - same happened to me as well with patches to rtnetlink-hs. ignored for like a year a then author commented on the PR that upstream is elsewhere :)
2020-03-05T18:00:40 < srk> s/a/and
2020-03-05T18:01:09 < srk> pros use -machine raspi2
2020-03-05T18:01:37 < srk> aah
2020-03-05T18:01:37 < srk> lm3s6965evb          Stellaris LM3S6965EVB
2020-03-05T18:01:38 < srk> lm3s811evb           Stellaris LM3S811EVB
2020-03-05T18:01:45 < srk> yummy
2020-03-05T18:02:12 < PaulFertser> zyp: yes, patches are better but in this case I was hesitating to spend time on improving "netlink" library as I am not sure the maintainer is active enough to even consider that.
2020-03-05T18:05:57 < Cracki> has anyone used a jlink OB and noticed that it pauses the target while receiving SWO? something weird is going on with my jlink ob compared to normal jlink
2020-03-05T18:06:04 < Cracki> (f072-based ob)
2020-03-05T18:07:37 < karlp> Cracki: that can also be your traceimplementaiton
2020-03-05T18:07:52 < karlp> does it check whether the stimulus ports are free and busy spin on them? or does it write and hope?
2020-03-05T18:08:09 < karlp> that would make an OB appear to "stall" if it can't drain as fast as another jlink
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2020-03-05T18:22:00 < aandrew> netduinoplus2 is an stm32f405 which is just a 407 without ethernet mac
2020-03-05T18:22:14 < aandrew> which is funny because the netduinoplus2 board uses a spi ethernet mac 
2020-03-05T18:22:16 < dongs> 405 has ethernet too
2020-03-05T18:22:23 < aandrew> 405 does? you sure?
2020-03-05T18:22:24 < dongs> just not officially
2020-03-05T18:22:27 < dongs> i mean its there
2020-03-05T18:22:28 < aandrew> the datasheet doesn't show it
2020-03-05T18:22:30 < dongs> yeah
2020-03-05T18:22:32 < dongs> but its on the die
2020-03-05T18:22:38 < aandrew> anyway qemu doesn't have support for it anyway
2020-03-05T18:22:41 < dongs> one of those fucking cheap fucks in here
2020-03-05T18:22:46 < dongs> maybne thorn or someone else
2020-03-05T18:22:52 < dongs> who buys shit from alibaba and waits 3 months for delivery
2020-03-05T18:23:04 < dongs> was abusing ethernet-less F4's or maybe F2s 
2020-03-05T18:23:08 < dongs> to have ethernet
2020-03-05T18:23:11 < aandrew> qemu's stm32f405 support is adc, tim2-5, uarts, spi, syscfg and exti
2020-03-05T18:24:25 < aandrew> I'd have to add tim1/8, 6/7, 9-14 (maybe not all), gpio, rcc, wdt and maybe ethernet, and i2c support, at least rough-and-ready like
2020-03-05T18:24:42 < aandrew> timers and gpio should be trivial although coming up with a useful gpio access method may be tricky
2020-03-05T18:24:58 < aandrew> but having a bunch of named pipes or someshit would work as a first pass
2020-03-05T18:25:17 < aandrew> rcc doesn't have to *do* anything, just needs to not throw an exception
2020-03-05T18:25:32 < aandrew> this might be doable.
2020-03-05T18:27:27 < srk> gnu mcu eclipse qemu?
2020-03-05T18:27:44 < srk> xPack QEMU Arm?
2020-03-05T18:28:47 < aandrew> I took a quick look there, it looks like they're just using the stm32 support in qemu which is what I'm talking about
2020-03-05T18:30:06 < srk> afaik there's no stm32 in qemu https://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/Platforms/ARM
2020-03-05T18:30:12 < srk> only in forks
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2020-03-05T18:35:03 < aandrew> srk: not true
2020-03-05T18:36:23 < srk> yeah
2020-03-05T18:36:26 < srk> just well hidden
2020-03-05T18:36:41 < srk> I was looking at that just recently
2020-03-05T18:36:42 < srk> https://git.qemu.org/?p=qemu.git;a=blob_plain;f=hw/arm/stm32f205_soc.c;hb=HEAD
2020-03-05T18:36:53 < srk> pebbles adds bunch of stuff for f103
2020-03-05T18:37:06 < aandrew> yeah
2020-03-05T18:37:16 < srk> better https://git.qemu.org/?p=qemu.git;a=blob_plain;f=hw/arm/stm32f405_soc.c;hb=HEAD
2020-03-05T18:37:28 < aandrew> I have to take a look at pebble's old fork and see if I can steal any of it
2020-03-05T18:41:25 < srk> hm, f205 is masked as netduino2
2020-03-05T18:41:42 < srk> f405 should be netduino2plus but I don't have it
2020-03-05T18:42:02 < aandrew> it's in master
2020-03-05T18:42:15 < srk> yeah, proly too old qemu
2020-03-05T18:42:29 < srk> QEMU emulator version 4.2.0
2020-03-05T18:43:00 < srk> anyway that's cool
2020-03-05T18:43:21 < srk> can test in qemu as well \o/
2020-03-05T18:44:18 < aandrew> gfunkmonk's branch of pebble is *way* ahead
2020-03-05T18:45:43 < aandrew> gpio, all timers, rcc, exti even
2020-03-05T18:46:12 < srk> where is it?
2020-03-05T18:46:22 < aandrew> https://github.com/gfunkmonk/qemu
2020-03-05T18:46:47 < aandrew> i2c, dma, rng... it's got a lot in there
2020-03-05T18:48:20 < srk> aandrew: I only see rng on top of pebble's https://github.com/pebble/qemu/compare/master...gfunkmonk:master
2020-03-05T18:48:32 < aandrew> https://github.com/gfunkmonk/qemu/blob/master/hw/arm/stm32f4xx.c
2020-03-05T18:48:59 < aandrew> added stm32f429disco board was the biggest change I think
2020-03-05T18:49:16 < srk> nice
2020-03-05T18:49:26 < srk> lemme see if I can build that as well
2020-03-05T18:50:15 < srk> -disable-sdl
2020-03-05T18:50:24 < srk> it can render these as well?
2020-03-05T18:51:32 < aandrew> you'll need libdft 
2020-03-05T18:51:37 < aandrew> not sure about sdl, I won't need that
2020-03-05T18:52:16 < srk> libdft?
2020-03-05T18:52:22 < srk> w00t
2020-03-05T18:52:55 < srk> ERROR: Cannot use 'python', Python 2.6 or later is required. Note that Python 3 or later is not yet supported.
2020-03-05T18:52:58 < srk> lol
2020-03-05T18:53:25 < aandrew> heh
2020-03-05T18:53:34 < aandrew> I didn't get that, I got a missing declaration for memfd
2020-03-05T18:54:12 < srk> ./configure --python=$( which python2.7 )
2020-03-05T18:54:18 < srk> my python is 3 now looks like it
2020-03-05T18:54:42 < srk> ah that's just dtc
2020-03-05T18:55:20 < aandrew> balls, they have -werror set
2020-03-05T18:55:42 < srk> or is that libfdt from rpi linux
2020-03-05T18:55:43 < aandrew> gotta pass --disable-werror to configure
2020-03-05T18:56:44 < srk> wurkz now
2020-03-05T18:56:45 < srk> nix-shell -p qemu.buildInputs qemu.nativeBuildInputs python27 dtc
2020-03-05T18:56:54 < srk> buildz
2020-03-05T18:57:11 < srk> yeah, werror
2020-03-05T18:57:30 < aandrew> there are some other flags you would want if you're actually using it (just read the github readme.md)
2020-03-05T18:57:40 < srk> my browser crashed
2020-03-05T18:57:50 < srk> much compiling
2020-03-05T18:58:03 < dongs> libusb PROS
2020-03-05T18:58:14 < srk> oh I have netsurf
2020-03-05T18:58:20 < dongs> am i supposed to use libusb_lock_events()
2020-03-05T18:59:01 < aandrew> this is for ancient qemu (2.5?) - current is 4.x
2020-03-05T18:59:19 < srk> no idea! was looking at some libusb code today trying to figure out why the hub port goes up again when power is turned off
2020-03-05T18:59:31 < srk> cna only reset but not disable
2020-03-05T18:59:56 < aandrew> lol as soon as you hit the pebble code the warnings just fly
2020-03-05T18:59:58 < srk> aandrew: ancient indeed
2020-03-05T18:59:58 < srk> qemu-seccomp.c:164:7: error: ‘__SNR_ppoll’ undeclared here (not in a function) 164 |     { SCMP_SYS(ppoll), 241 },
2020-03-05T19:00:01 < zyp> dongs, documentation says «You only need to use this lock if you are developing an application which calls poll() or select() on libusb's file descriptors directly.»
2020-03-05T19:00:22 < zyp> «If you stick to libusb's event handling loop functions (e.g. libusb_handle_events()) then you do not need to be concerned with this locking.»
2020-03-05T19:00:33 < srk> aandrew: like I need seccomp!
2020-03-05T19:00:48 < dongs> zyp, i see. makes sense. hmm.
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2020-03-05T19:01:42 < aandrew> yeah this builds, but no stm32f407, just 429 but it is easier to go backward
2020-03-05T19:02:44 < srk> maybe like this ./configure --python=$( which python2.7 ) --disable-werror --enable-debug --target-list="arm-softmmu" --disable-seccomp
2020-03-05T19:03:28 < aandrew> guess I have seccomp
2020-03-05T19:03:51 < srk> I have very recent stuff
2020-03-05T19:04:39 < aandrew> 429 is faster (180 vs 168MHz), more flash/ram, has sdram/qspi. so I can pull that shit out
2020-03-05T19:04:55 < aandrew> this'll be fun to play with 
2020-03-05T19:04:57 < aandrew> now lunch
2020-03-05T19:05:32 < srk> get some f7s :)
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2020-03-05T19:06:42 < Steffanx> F7 is fancy. And some arent even that expensive. 
2020-03-05T19:08:37 < dongs> i have some F7 QFP64 or so that I got a bunch for free, i should do something with them
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2020-03-05T19:12:27 < karlp> check out page 38 here: epic greenwire: https://fosdem.org/2020/schedule/event/openelectronicslab/attachments/slides/3864/export/events/attachments/openelectronicslab/slides/3864/oel_fosdem_2020_designing_hardware_journey_2.pdf
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2020-03-05T19:20:12 < Steffanx> Lol. I would just redo the pcb
2020-03-05T19:21:28 < dongs> looks liek tehy tried to lift the pin and probably trashed it
2020-03-05T19:21:44 < dongs> so had to drill into the package to try and connect it
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2020-03-05T19:26:57 < jpa-> looks like a black wire
2020-03-05T19:27:32 < Thorn> I didn't make it past fig. 8
2020-03-05T19:27:55 < jpa-> was it too pro for you?
2020-03-05T19:29:44 < srk> aandrew: uu, it works
2020-03-05T19:29:49 < srk> at least with blink so far
2020-03-05T19:30:16 < benishor> I love how they (mis)spell mistakes: "misteaks"
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2020-03-05T19:35:18 < karlp> how do you "blink" the qemu?
2020-03-05T19:35:34 < karlp> do you get a gpio as a file, and you can cat it and see it changing or what?
2020-03-05T19:35:52 < srk> no you get Led On or Led Off if you toggle C12
2020-03-05T19:35:57 < zyp> haha
2020-03-05T19:36:04 < karlp> as just console output?
2020-03-05T19:36:21 < srk> and  Connect button to GPIO A pin 0
2020-03-05T19:36:28 < srk> also uart
2020-03-05T19:36:39 < srk> not sure what's in there, playing with it for few minutes only :)
2020-03-05T19:37:41 < srk> somethings borken
2020-03-05T19:37:44 < srk> rom: requested regions overlap (rom phdr #4: /home/srk/git/hello/build/simpleblink-test/image. free=0x0000000008005bac, addr=0x000000000800325c)
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2020-03-05T19:44:53 < srk> WWDG_IRQHandler () at vector_table.s:18
2020-03-05T19:44:54 < srk> 18		b defaultExceptionHandler
2020-03-05T19:44:56 < srk> stuck
2020-03-05T19:53:54 < srk> might not like >RAM AT> FLASH
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2020-03-05T20:28:57 < Thorn> T - 2 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zni3MLBHDaY
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2020-03-05T20:33:18 < Steffanx> lol, boring... Thorn :P
2020-03-05T20:34:58 < specing> Thorn: whats that some mars rover shit
2020-03-05T20:40:18 < aandrew> srk: nice, I haven't got that far yet, just built qemu
2020-03-05T20:42:20 < PaulFertser> This whole excitement about the name looks so silly. Come on, just about any short and simple enough name would work. This word they chose sounds not too simple though.
2020-03-05T20:42:26 < Thorn> they should've named the rover Toxic Masculinity
2020-03-05T20:45:02 < PaulFertser> It's hard to believe he wrote this essay himself all on his own.
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2020-03-05T20:48:44 < PaulFertser> And this Q&A session seems to be well prepared in advance.
2020-03-05T20:52:09 < aandrew> what?
2020-03-05T20:52:17 < aandrew> name for the robot is controversial? 
2020-03-05T20:52:23 < aandrew> I'm completely out of the loop on this
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2020-03-05T21:30:07 < Laurenceb> wew
2020-03-05T21:30:16 < BrainDamage> more linkspam http://blog.ptsecurity.com/2020/03/intelx86-root-of-trust-loss-of-trust.html
2020-03-05T21:30:26 < Laurenceb> just got a txt from britbong gov
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2020-03-05T21:30:35 < Laurenceb>  "covid-19 outbreak imminent"
2020-03-05T21:30:43 < Laurenceb> lol way to panic everyone
2020-03-05T21:32:01 < Laurenceb> boris larping as irl zombie apocalypse
2020-03-05T21:33:31 < antto> o hai therr mr loirens
2020-03-05T21:34:41 < antto> can you avoid getting corizzle vizzle by climbing up the stairways to space?
2020-03-05T21:35:21 < Laurenceb> probably
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2020-03-05T21:35:27 < antto> noice
2020-03-05T21:35:28 < Laurenceb> maybe emdrive can kill it
2020-03-05T21:36:03 < Laurenceb> I'll write a node.js app to kill it
2020-03-05T21:37:34 < antto> that sounds sufficiently eye-oh-tea
2020-03-05T21:37:57 < antto> maybe also use a little bit of lua
2020-03-05T21:44:42 < aandrew> hahaha
2020-03-05T21:44:44 < aandrew> corizzle vizzle
2020-03-05T21:49:15 < zyp> dongs, re: ecp5 packages, I just did a bit more looking, turns out that the variants that exists in bga256 have exactly the same amount of IO as the same variants have in bga381
2020-03-05T21:50:33 < aandrew> zyp: just more power balls?
2020-03-05T21:51:28 < zyp> the bga381 adds 72 grounds, 16 power balls, 32 NC or reserved balls and I guess another 5 I can't see in the table summary
2020-03-05T21:52:17 < zyp> correction, 21 power balls
2020-03-05T21:52:28 < zyp> I overlooked the vddio balls
2020-03-05T21:53:47 < zyp> on the other hand, only the parts without serdes are available in bga256, so I assume that is what the NC balls are for
2020-03-05T21:54:26 < zyp> so the bga381 parts can be used for variants of a design that might or might not use serdes
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2020-03-05T22:04:08 < aandrew> infected mushroom's "Before" from the Vicious Delicious album is a great track
2020-03-05T22:04:11 < aandrew> little bit of everything
2020-03-05T22:04:42 < Laurenceb> >infected mushroom
2020-03-05T22:04:45 < Laurenceb> lol takes me back
2020-03-05T22:04:53 < Laurenceb> di.fm
2020-03-05T22:05:01 < Ultrasauce> unfortunately their last good album was converting vegetarians
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2020-03-05T22:13:20 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo1BzyBwZ1E
2020-03-05T22:13:55 < kakimir> embrace cold
2020-03-05T22:14:07 < Laurenceb>  Reddit is the "gospel of personal finance" like Pornhub is "the locus of meaningful relationships".
2020-03-05T22:14:15 < Laurenceb> kekking
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2020-03-05T22:25:17 < Cracki> you would be surprised how many meaningful relationships started with a sad camwhore who just needed regular spankings
2020-03-05T22:25:27 < jadew> lol
2020-03-05T22:45:28 < leite> wtf
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2020-03-05T23:03:50  * karlp laughs
2020-03-05T23:06:37 < englishman> what the shit why is ddr4 so fuckin expensive
2020-03-05T23:09:31 < englishman> and what is with all these high end graphics cards with DVI ports
2020-03-05T23:10:34 < Ultrasauce> they didnt want to license the dp spec
2020-03-05T23:13:04 < qyx_> but DVI?
2020-03-05T23:14:39 < Ultrasauce> vesa has a track record of shitty conduct
2020-03-05T23:15:51 < zyp> is usb-c killing off traditional dp connectors yet?
2020-03-05T23:17:01 < zyp> I mean, judging by the NUC and the laptop I recently bought, it is, but elsewhere?
2020-03-05T23:22:57 < Ultrasauce> just learned that a patent portfolio for DP is licensed by the mpeg LA
2020-03-05T23:23:05 < Ultrasauce> theres a pretty good reason
2020-03-05T23:25:59 < Ultrasauce> lol https://www.mpegla.com/programs/ev-charging/
2020-03-05T23:26:01 < Ultrasauce> diversification
2020-03-05T23:26:24 < qyx_> quacktel LTE for $20 https://lcsc.com/product-detail/Communication-Modules-GNSS-Modules_Quectel-EC20CEHCLG-MINIPCIE-C_C125203.html
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2020-03-05T23:27:09 < qyx> idk if it has CE for ETSI
2020-03-05T23:29:24 < qyx> apparently yes for the EC20-E version
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2020-03-05T23:34:02 < Laurenceb> ph noes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-51751942
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2020-03-05T23:46:54 < Cracki> move it to second life
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2020-03-06T00:07:03 < englishman> zyp: a quick look at budget video cards tells me that HDMI and DVI are as popular as they were in 2008 with dp starting to become available just recently
2020-03-06T00:13:05 < Thorn> why would you need a video card with double penetration anyway
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2020-03-06T00:13:46 < zyp> are budget video cards really a thing? who buys them?
2020-03-06T00:14:25 < zyp> I figured nowadays if you don't need a decent video card, you're well covered by the onboard stuff on the cpu/mobo
2020-03-06T00:14:25 < qyx> for multimonitor setups maybe?
2020-03-06T00:14:29 < karlp> when you budgeted so hard on the cpu that it didn't have integrated graphics?
2020-03-06T00:14:38 < karlp> "I'l buy a real graphics card later"#?
2020-03-06T00:14:43 < qyx> where multi is >3
2020-03-06T00:14:45 < karlp> but yeha, fuck that, I've been on integrated graphhics only for years now
2020-03-06T00:14:52 < Ultrasauce> theres plenty of higher end cpus with no integrated also
2020-03-06T00:15:19 < karlp> yeah, the higher end wher eyou shoot off the exponential on TDP and cost for like 15% more perf :)
2020-03-06T00:15:34 < Steffanx> Only when you go AMD?
2020-03-06T00:15:36 < zyp> high end cpu and budget video card?
2020-03-06T00:20:09 < qyx> any recommended stationary embeddable 1D barcode reader?
2020-03-06T00:20:21 < qyx> with price <500e
2020-03-06T00:20:33 < qyx> so not stuff like cognex, keyence, siemens
2020-03-06T00:20:55 < Cracki> embeddable like glass front for counter tops?
2020-03-06T00:21:05 < qyx> no, embedded in a kiosk
2020-03-06T00:21:17 < Cracki> is a scanner gun with usb embedded enough?
2020-03-06T00:21:25 < qyx> no
2020-03-06T00:21:31 < qyx> :)
2020-03-06T00:21:34 < Cracki> I think I saw those optical modules sold somewhere, can't remember
2020-03-06T00:22:05 < qyx> I mean if anyone actually used one
2020-03-06T00:22:23 < qyx> I found https://www.datalogic.com/eng/oem-other-solutions/oem-barcode-readers/gryphon-i-gfe4400-2d-pd-194.html
2020-03-06T00:22:37 < Cracki> datalogic is industrial too
2020-03-06T00:22:56 < qyx> yeah bud ~150e
2020-03-06T00:22:59 < qyx> but
2020-03-06T00:23:11 < zyp> qyx, what's the goal?
2020-03-06T00:23:12 < Cracki> look for honeywell
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2020-03-06T00:23:41 < Cracki> or something like this? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32854848595.html
2020-03-06T00:23:46 < Cracki> 2d too, can't be helped :>
2020-03-06T00:23:58 < qyx> zyp: outdoor boxes, you scan and keep the thing inside
2020-03-06T00:24:22 < catphish> hello sirs
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2020-03-06T00:24:24 < Cracki> no idea what those cost but prolly also cheap https://sensing.honeywell.com/barcode-scan-engines-and-modules/scan-modules
2020-03-06T00:25:23 < qyx> the big chip is the only brain of the thing?
2020-03-06T00:25:31 < zyp> qyx, do you need it to be fast? isn't camera based stuff decent enough?
2020-03-06T00:25:57 < zyp> probably
2020-03-06T00:26:16 < qyx> I fear that the camera based stuff will lower the UX much
2020-03-06T00:26:17 < Cracki> camera, when you only look for 1d, can be very fast like >60 fps... if the thing supports reduced number of lines
2020-03-06T00:26:18 < zyp> I bet a stm32 with a camera hooked to dcmi could make a decent enough barcode reader
2020-03-06T00:26:32 < zyp> qyx, why?
2020-03-06T00:26:51 < Cracki> it'll beep even with a camera, don't worry :)
2020-03-06T00:27:18 < Cracki> you can limit the types of code it looks for
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2020-03-06T00:27:41 < qyx> idk, I still picture a 50€ android phone in front of me trying to focus on the barcode to read it
2020-03-06T00:27:47 < zyp> stores with self checkout here has gates by the exit that scans a barcode on the receipt
2020-03-06T00:27:49 < Cracki> if it's something from a proper mfg like datalogic, it'll probably run even the 2d stuff at full frame rate, which is likely 60 fps
2020-03-06T00:28:11 < Cracki> phone cameras have autofocus, barcode readers have fixed focus
2020-03-06T00:28:17 < zyp> qyx, usually you have a glass plate a couple of cm from the camera that you hold the barcode to
2020-03-06T00:28:29 < Cracki> (and tiny aperture for sharpness)
2020-03-06T00:28:41 < qyx> also, I tested a siemens reader in the past
2020-03-06T00:28:46 < qyx> it was horrible
2020-03-06T00:28:54 < qyx> 640x480 camera
2020-03-06T00:28:59 < qyx> it was not able to scan codes properly
2020-03-06T00:29:21 < Cracki> when did they make that
2020-03-06T00:29:31 < qyx> I bet 20 years ago
2020-03-06T00:29:34 < Cracki> same
2020-03-06T00:29:42 < zyp> so anyway, those gates in the stores, they use camera based stuff despite reading 1D barcodes
2020-03-06T00:29:45 < zyp> they work well
2020-03-06T00:29:48 < qyx> hm
2020-03-06T00:29:55 < qyx> that datalogic thing is camera based too
2020-03-06T00:30:00 < qyx> scans 2D too
2020-03-06T00:30:24 < qyx> I was tempted to attach a camera to the thing and do processing in software
2020-03-06T00:31:01 < qyx> but I value my time too much for that
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2020-03-06T00:31:51 < zyp> https://hackaday.io/project/1313-openmv <- maybe steal some shit from here?
2020-03-06T00:31:54 < qyx> left :(
2020-03-06T00:32:02 < qyx> yeah saw that
2020-03-06T00:34:00 < Laurenceb> is there working cube codez for dcmi?
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2020-03-06T00:48:55 < zyp> is any cube code working?
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2020-03-06T00:52:04 < kakimir> no. cube produces only non-functional code
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2020-03-06T00:58:22 < qyx> pcie obsession #4 omega2s working https://bin.jvnv.net/file/Vckgj.jpg
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2020-03-06T00:59:46 < karlp> well, fuck,  you're doing well
2020-03-06T01:00:00 < karlp> I sat down for a whole evening of usb hubbing, and am instead doing locm3 merging shits
2020-03-06T01:00:24 < qyx> it started to be ok when I trashed the original firmware
2020-03-06T01:01:15 < qyx> unrelated, HMI working https://bin.jvnv.net/file/op8Zk.jpg, together with a capsense keyboard https://bin.jvnv.net/file/T7ORB.jpg
2020-03-06T01:01:30 < karlp> is that an outward facing minipci slot thing for a user to plug in their own nG modem card?
2020-03-06T01:01:50 < karlp> or is the square footprint for a quacktel modem?
2020-03-06T01:02:14 < qyx> (ikea MÄRIT in the background)
2020-03-06T01:02:31 < qyx> both are true
2020-03-06T01:02:46 < qyx> minipci has USB and PCIe, so any modem/wifi should work
2020-03-06T01:03:13 < qyx> the footprint is for SIM800 or SIM7020, the latter is nb-iot
2020-03-06T01:06:10 < qyx> I did the thing to handle eg. 5G long range uplink using miniPCIe, modem backup + omega2s 2.4G wifi for local configuration/hotstop
2020-03-06T01:07:13 < karlp> this is some sciency thing right? making better options than exist right now?
2020-03-06T01:07:57 < qyx> yeah, most low power remote daq are either dumb or not low power
2020-03-06T01:08:10 < qyx> and NI-style things are $$
2020-03-06T01:09:28 < kakimir> are those switches on corners of m2 card?
2020-03-06T01:09:28 < qyx> but it's true that with a 1W power draw for LTE and linux  we can hardly talk about low power anymore
2020-03-06T01:15:28 < kakimir> you have power switches right?
2020-03-06T01:15:38 < kakimir> shut down ddr and run in low level
2020-03-06T01:16:15 < kakimir> boot only linux when neede
2020-03-06T01:16:33 < qyx> wat
2020-03-06T01:17:16 < qyx> those are not switches
2020-03-06T01:17:35 < kakimir> okay
2020-03-06T01:17:43 < kakimir> but you have switches for modem and such=?
2020-03-06T01:18:28 < qyx> you can turn the modem off
2020-03-06T01:18:36 < qyx> going into standby
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2020-03-06T01:19:21 < kakimir> how low iq?
2020-03-06T01:20:20 < karlp> hah!
2020-03-06T01:20:27 < karlp> fuckin h7 man..
2020-03-06T01:20:58 < karlp> flash waitstates? nahhhh, we're not doing that, we're going to have a weird table of "programming delays" where you choose one value and then you get different things based on core speed
2020-03-06T01:21:00 < qyx> idk how low, I was not optimizing the thing for microwatts because it will be used when a decent amount of power is available
2020-03-06T01:21:13 < qyx> so not even powereing down themodem
2020-03-06T01:21:31 < qyx> wat
2020-03-06T01:21:47 < kakimir> nxp?
2020-03-06T01:21:58 < karlp> look at table 13 in rm0433.
2020-03-06T01:22:00 < karlp> it's awesome
2020-03-06T01:22:01 < qyx> are you drunk kaki
2020-03-06T01:22:07 < qyx> he says h7
2020-03-06T01:22:12 < kakimir> I ate waffles
2020-03-06T01:22:14 < kakimir> many of them
2020-03-06T01:22:17  * karlp laughs
2020-03-06T01:23:07  * qyx downloading 40MB of awesomeness over LTE to look at table 13
2020-03-06T01:23:52 < qyx> Table 13. FLASH internal input/output signals
2020-03-06T01:23:54 < qyx> this one?
2020-03-06T01:24:26 < karlp> the one with the wait states and the values for the (WRHIGHFREQ) values
2020-03-06T01:25:12 < englishman> karlp: what if I'm not using a MacBook and I want more than one monitor?
2020-03-06T01:25:29 < qyx> you buy a motherboard with multiple outputs
2020-03-06T01:25:39 < englishman> zyp: budget = $200
2020-03-06T01:25:45 < karlp> englishman: msot onboard shit already has two outputs no problems
2020-03-06T01:25:55 < englishman> but idk if that is cheap or expensive these days
2020-03-06T01:26:03 < englishman> ddr4 sure is expensive tho
2020-03-06T01:26:28 < englishman> idk how to work on so few monitors
2020-03-06T01:26:35 < englishman> it'd feel like 1999
2020-03-06T01:26:43 < karlp> I do most of my work on one.
2020-03-06T01:26:56 < karlp> at dayjob I have the laptop screen for music playuing and shit
2020-03-06T01:27:01 < englishman> though I know you lunix dudes are just discovering multimonitor
2020-03-06T01:27:10 < karlp> I've occcccccasionally wanted another one, but not real often.
2020-03-06T01:27:29 < karlp> I'm just not sure what i' dput there.
2020-03-06T01:27:49 < karlp> maybe it's us linux duders just not knowing how you all used up all your space so quick?
2020-03-06T01:28:15 < qyx> how can you look at 3 monitors with 2 eyes only?
2020-03-06T01:28:27 < englishman> not with 60x40 consoles that's for sure
2020-03-06T01:28:38  * karlp laughs
2020-03-06T01:30:55 < qyx> 2020-03-06 00:35
2020-03-06T01:30:55 < qyx> Despatched to overseas (Country code: SK)
2020-03-06T01:31:00 < qyx> corona is coming \o/
2020-03-06T01:31:03 < qyx> with my backplanes
2020-03-06T01:31:23 < qyx> ordered 2020-01-11
2020-03-06T01:36:25 < zyp> englishman, heh
2020-03-06T01:37:29 < zyp> I've been running multimonitor since the crt age
2020-03-06T01:37:44 < zyp> had two crts back in the day
2020-03-06T01:38:12 < jadew> on linux?
2020-03-06T01:38:20 < zyp> yes
2020-03-06T01:38:37 < zyp> well, windows too, to be fair
2020-03-06T01:38:56 < jadew> yeah, but I'm surprised linux had something useful such a long time ago
2020-03-06T01:39:41 < karlp> it's almost like people do actually use it or somethign...
2020-03-06T01:40:05 < karlp> apart from wifi blobs from certain vendors most shit is "just works" for fucking ages now.
2020-03-06T01:40:11 < jadew> karlp, well, until recently it was always a huge PITA to set up multi-monitor on every linux install
2020-03-06T01:40:20 < qyx> uh oh
2020-03-06T01:40:32 < zyp> jadew, when is recent?
2020-03-06T01:40:37 < karlp> jadew: wat
2020-03-06T01:40:39 < jadew> zyp, 2-3 years ago
2020-03-06T01:40:46 < zyp> haha
2020-03-06T01:40:53 < qyx> are you drunk jade
2020-03-06T01:41:04 < jadew> and the config from the last install never worked on the new one
2020-03-06T01:41:09 < karlp> "the config" ?!
2020-03-06T01:41:17 < qyx> xorg is configless for quite a long time
2020-03-06T01:41:18 < jadew> karlp, it only worked with xorg.conf
2020-03-06T01:41:20 < karlp> you just click displays, and drag them around
2020-03-06T01:41:26 < jadew> yeah, that wasn't enough
2020-03-06T01:41:26 < qyx> yeah
2020-03-06T01:41:30 < zyp> multimonitor just worked right out of the box when I last ran linux on desktop at work
2020-03-06T01:41:32 < karlp> fuck off man, you only get 20 year old shit in .ro?!
2020-03-06T01:41:34 < zyp> and that was like 6-7 years ago
2020-03-06T01:41:36 < jadew> mainly because the DPI settings were incorrect
2020-03-06T01:41:46 < jadew> it wasn't reading that edid thing or whatever it's called correctly
2020-03-06T01:41:59 < Cracki> it's called edid, yes
2020-03-06T01:42:10 < karlp> so you had a busted monitor?
2020-03-06T01:42:13 < jadew> zyp, never worked for me out of the box, again, not until recently
2020-03-06T01:42:18 < jadew> karlp, worked on windows
2020-03-06T01:42:21 < Cracki> what hardware was that
2020-03-06T01:42:35 < Cracki> and dare I ask what distribution of linux
2020-03-06T01:42:36 < karlp> sure, handling busted monitors is always good, but I'm with zyp, this shit has "just worked" for fucking ages now
2020-03-06T01:42:38 < jadew> two nvidia cards, different models (almost always)
2020-03-06T01:43:03 < Cracki> I know people who choose to use arch and it may be these particular people but when they mess with monitors, they always open a terminal
2020-03-06T01:43:07 < karlp> fwiw, I've almost always just been on amd/intel built in graphics.
2020-03-06T01:43:17 < qyx> same here
2020-03-06T01:43:25 < jadew> Cracki, tried various distros over the years, all had issues with this
2020-03-06T01:43:28 < Cracki> two nvidia cards at the same time in the same computer?
2020-03-06T01:43:38 < Cracki> yeah maybe that could be a little troublesome
2020-03-06T01:43:40 < qyx> some old amd cedar thing with 32MB of dram and dual DVI since 2013 or so
2020-03-06T01:43:48 < jadew> Cracki, yeah
2020-03-06T01:43:52 < Cracki> ;)
2020-03-06T01:43:57 < jadew> I have a 3 monitors setup and always used two cards
2020-03-06T01:43:58 < qyx> now intel built in
2020-03-06T01:44:06 < jadew> one is always newer because I usually upgrade just the one
2020-03-06T01:44:11 < jadew> so they end up as being different models
2020-03-06T01:44:21 < zyp> jadew, why do you need two cards to do three monitors?
2020-03-06T01:44:26 < zyp> how old are they?
2020-03-06T01:44:30 < Cracki> maybe nobody who maintains the graphics stuff has two graphics cards to experience your situation
2020-03-06T01:44:30 < karlp> (because he's not using linux...)
2020-03-06T01:44:40 < jadew> zyp, they didn't have 3 ports obviously :)
2020-03-06T01:44:48 < qyx> so you picket the wrong ones
2020-03-06T01:44:50 < qyx> d
2020-03-06T01:44:52 < englishman> news flash: it's still a hassle to set up anything on lunix
2020-03-06T01:45:02 < zyp> also, doesn't modern shit do DP MST anyway?
2020-03-06T01:45:04 < karlp> englishman: only if you're in .ro it seems
2020-03-06T01:45:16 < Cracki> blame the user for daring to want something
2020-03-06T01:45:29 < jadew> karlp, that was not the only issue I had with linux until recently
2020-03-06T01:45:32 < jadew> I can go on
2020-03-06T01:45:43 < karlp> I'm just teasing :)
2020-03-06T01:45:47 < Cracki> btw, what are ethernet cards named on linux these days?
2020-03-06T01:45:53 < zyp> all sorts of shit
2020-03-06T01:45:55 < zyp> apparently
2020-03-06T01:46:01 < Cracki> I would be fine with hw-derived guids
2020-03-06T01:46:22 < karlp> fuck your guid bullshit
2020-03-06T01:46:32 < karlp> not for humans plz
2020-03-06T01:46:32 < Cracki> or with eth0/1... which at least is sorted by hw guid or whatever
2020-03-06T01:46:42 < Cracki> (is/should be)
2020-03-06T01:46:46 < Cracki> or ought to be
2020-03-06T01:46:57 < karlp> many/all distros used a physical location namning these days, so names are stable.
2020-03-06T01:47:29 < karlp> windows is still "Local area connection" and "Local area connection #2" isn' tit?
2020-03-06T01:47:41 < jadew> right, I remember when it was identifying hdds in random orders and was only able to boot when the random gods favored the system disk
2020-03-06T01:47:58 < Cracki> yay you don't get told which of a dozen hdds just failed
2020-03-06T01:48:39 < Cracki> tbh I wouldn't know how windows would tell you which hdd it is either
2020-03-06T01:48:54 < jadew> they weren't failing
2020-03-06T01:48:55 < zyp> Cracki, my server has /dev/slot0 … /dev/slot15
2020-03-06T01:49:15 < Cracki> and slots correspond to... sata/sas sockets on the board?
2020-03-06T01:49:17 < jadew> it was just that sda could be one hdd this time and another on the next boot
2020-03-06T01:49:21 < jadew> so the system wouldn't load
2020-03-06T01:49:23 < zyp> Cracki, yes
2020-03-06T01:49:26 < Cracki> good
2020-03-06T01:49:36 < zyp> I mean, I wrote the naming script myself
2020-03-06T01:49:39 < Cracki> lol
2020-03-06T01:49:49 < Cracki> what's the core thing to know to make this work?
2020-03-06T01:50:01 < Cracki> what data do you have to query for?
2020-03-06T01:50:32 < jadew> udev I think it's called, no?
2020-03-06T01:50:59 < jadew> the thing that handles new devices
2020-03-06T01:51:02 < zyp> yes
2020-03-06T01:52:10 < zyp> there is already a disk by path thing, so I hooked on a script to turn the path into something more readable
2020-03-06T01:52:14 < zyp> udev rule: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/Rsz84
2020-03-06T01:52:21 < zyp> script: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/yxrfg
2020-03-06T01:52:38 < Cracki> i just found the by-path stuff on google. good to know that's supposed to be stable
2020-03-06T01:52:47 < Cracki> thx, saved
2020-03-06T01:52:50 < jadew> or by uuid
2020-03-06T01:52:53 < jadew> by-id
2020-03-06T01:53:11 < jadew> they switched to using that in fstab in order to fix the booting issue
2020-03-06T01:53:34 < jadew> so sdX was still random, not sure if that's still the case
2020-03-06T01:53:59 < Cracki> lots of legacy stuff still around
2020-03-06T01:54:04 < zyp> hmm
2020-03-06T01:54:15 < zyp> I should probably do something about my raid soon
2020-03-06T01:54:20 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/owyDG
2020-03-06T01:55:10 < zyp> the drive in slot6 failed last year, replaced it with a different kind that were so shitty it were slowing the entire raid down to unusable
2020-03-06T01:55:19 < zyp> so I ended up ripping it out again and running without it
2020-03-06T01:55:25 < Cracki> I feel like ipv6 addresses denied people the ability to easily read and remember IPs. now they're almost guids, opaque binary strings. there's still structure but it's a little more complex, but it's a lot more information in one IP
2020-03-06T01:55:34 < zyp> and then I saw the drive in slot4 failed a week or two ago
2020-03-06T01:55:58 < zyp> that one is still not 5 years old, so I may still get a replacement for that
2020-03-06T01:56:01 < Cracki> once you get used to the idea that IPv6 addresses aren't meant to be handled like ipv4 addrs, life gets easier
2020-03-06T01:56:25 < Cracki> so... how much redudnancy do you have left?
2020-03-06T01:56:29 < zyp> one
2020-03-06T01:56:36 < Cracki> z3, right
2020-03-06T01:56:38 < zyp> yes
2020-03-06T01:56:48 < jadew> it's a raid 3, doesn't that mean you're already out of redundancy?
2020-03-06T01:56:53 < Cracki> z3
2020-03-06T01:56:57 < Cracki> means 3 parity
2020-03-06T01:57:02 < Cracki> raid 3 is something archaic
2020-03-06T01:57:03 < jadew> ah
2020-03-06T01:57:03 < zyp> no, it's more like a raid 7 if that existed
2020-03-06T01:57:14 < jadew> got it
2020-03-06T01:57:25 < Cracki> raid 6 is 2 parity, comparable to z2
2020-03-06T01:57:29 < zyp> with two drives down it's got one left, so it's effectively a raid5 now
2020-03-06T01:57:35 < zyp> yeah
2020-03-06T01:57:53 < zyp> I wonder what 3TB drives are decent nowadays
2020-03-06T01:58:51 < zyp> or maybe it would make more sense to restructure with larger drives instead
2020-03-06T01:58:56 < Cracki> 3T will already be below the sweet spot for price/space. I think that's around 4+ TB now
2020-03-06T01:58:58 < zyp> probably not
2020-03-06T01:59:14 < zyp> 3 vs 4 doesn't really matter
2020-03-06T01:59:21 < Cracki> ye I'd replenish with 3T disks too
2020-03-06T01:59:32 < zyp> I'm not replacing the other 15 drives any time soon
2020-03-06T01:59:51 < jadew> storing pictures used to be a lot easier in the past
2020-03-06T01:59:55 < zyp> I'm currently utilizing 46% of the available capacity
2020-03-06T01:59:58 < jadew> you put them in a box and that was it
2020-03-06T02:00:05 < zyp> so I don't need more space any time soon :)
2020-03-06T02:00:30 < Cracki> pics in a box, maybe start doing that again. metal box for a little fire resistance
2020-03-06T02:00:43 < zyp> why not a fireproof safe?
2020-03-06T02:00:57 < zyp> (I've got one)
2020-03-06T02:01:05 < Cracki> convenient
2020-03-06T02:01:08 < jadew> what do you keep there?
2020-03-06T02:01:14 < jadew> other than money
2020-03-06T02:01:17 < Cracki> children's baby photos for sure
2020-03-06T02:01:21 < jadew> yeah
2020-03-06T02:01:29 < zyp> actually not
2020-03-06T02:01:31 < Cracki> you can torture them with that later
2020-03-06T02:01:41 < zyp> baby photos are mostly in the cloud
2020-03-06T02:01:58 < jadew> you can pop them out when they're teenagers and their friends come over
2020-03-06T02:02:04 < zyp> mostly got non digital stuff in the safe
2020-03-06T02:02:14 < Cracki> by then you'll have digital wallpaper. oops.
2020-03-06T02:02:23 < zyp> passports, some papers (which are probably not important enough to require a safe anyway)
2020-03-06T02:02:52 < jadew> sounds pretty cool
2020-03-06T02:03:02 < jadew> I wouldn't mind one
2020-03-06T02:03:20 < zyp> oh, and some bitcoin
2020-03-06T02:03:40 < zyp> as in, the master seed on a piece of paper
2020-03-06T02:03:54 < jadew> you know, there were companies that accepted bitcoin in the past as payment - not anymore
2020-03-06T02:04:46 < zyp> no?
2020-03-06T02:04:58 < jadew> I haven't seen it advertised anymore
2020-03-06T02:05:10 < zyp> idk, I think I see it here and there
2020-03-06T02:05:15 < jadew> I think the rapid fluctuations are making it difficult to work with
2020-03-06T02:06:13 < jadew> what happened with that facebook coin
2020-03-06T02:06:21 < jadew> is it out yet?
2020-03-06T02:06:37 < karlp> re path shit, /dev/serial/by-id/* is awesome too, 
2020-03-06T02:06:58 < karlp> except for the handful of shitty programs that go "device names? 20 chars is enough for them...."
2020-03-06T02:08:51 < karlp> Cracki: I'd say this idea that you shoudl "remember" v4 addresses was already wrong.
2020-03-06T02:09:13 < jadew> eh, it's not that you should, but you could remember some addresses easily
2020-03-06T02:09:19 < karlp> just today I had someone "a networking professional" ask me what the IP adddress of a service was.  (they already had the fqdn that was in use) 
2020-03-06T02:09:36 < karlp> they were still somehow thinking they could whitelist a single ip, and pretend names didn't exist
2020-03-06T02:10:27 < englishman> he meant networking like linkedin
2020-03-06T02:10:41 < karlp> if only that wer etrue :|
2020-03-06T02:10:54 < karlp> sadly, I regularly run into "professional" networking people
2020-03-06T02:11:24 < jadew> do you think there's anyone still alive who survived the 1918 spanish flu, and will die from coronavirus?
2020-03-06T02:11:47 < karlp> even just today, "So, our devices in your network aren't able to reach blah.example.org, but we can reach it from here, do you have any uplink issues?"  "well, I can ping those devices from my cisco router prompt, so everything's just a-aok here dude!"
2020-03-06T02:22:34 < BrainDamage> jadew: there's buttcoin atm scattered over milan
2020-03-06T02:23:26 < BrainDamage> if they want to make buttcoin popular with brick and mortar stores they need better infra for normal currency -> bitcoing -> normal currency
2020-03-06T02:23:40 < BrainDamage> so that the transaction can go smooth without price variations
2020-03-06T02:24:38 < jadew> yeah, that's what I was thinking too, if they can make it so the store gets govt backed currency in their bank account the moment the customer makes the payment, then it would feel less risky
2020-03-06T02:25:19 < jadew> the longer the time delay, the few adopters it will see
2020-03-06T02:25:41 < jadew> and I also think that if it starts being used by shops, it will also become more stable
2020-03-06T02:26:29 < BrainDamage> yes, because you'd have value tied to more tangible things, but the problem is that the fast infra will be abused even more by the speculators
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2020-03-06T02:27:49 < Cracki> how are fees these days? I hear bitcoin isn't used for small amounts but rather something else
2020-03-06T02:28:02 < Cracki> and all I know is "something else" is a lot of competing things
2020-03-06T02:28:26 < qyx> not something else icecream?
2020-03-06T02:28:36 < Cracki> wish it were ice cream
2020-03-06T02:28:46 < Cracki> brb getting ice
2020-03-06T02:28:53 < qyx> such coin, what is it for if you can't buy icecream
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2020-03-06T02:30:11 < Cracki> elections maybe, or drugs
2020-03-06T02:31:32 < Laurenceb> oh wow
2020-03-06T02:31:48 < Laurenceb> bbc news talking about australian fires
2020-03-06T02:32:16 < Laurenceb> >women are the real victims here, the fires cause a masculinity crisis and attacks on women increase
2020-03-06T02:32:18 < Cracki> nobody talks about yellow vests being at it the 60+th time
2020-03-06T02:32:26 < Cracki> lol
2020-03-06T02:32:36 < Laurenceb> >the power of the fire challenges the power of masculinity
2020-03-06T02:32:36 < Cracki> firefighters die, women most affected
2020-03-06T02:33:22 < specing> I have a strange problem: after configuring ADC and starting it, I get two samples of the first channel. So my measurements are always off by one channel even though CHSEL is correct.
2020-03-06T02:33:50 < Cracki> two of the first channel? sounds fun
2020-03-06T02:34:06 < specing> Is there something I am missing? Should I read the data register after starting the ADC?
2020-03-06T02:34:20 < Cracki> you determine that by their value and plausible source?
2020-03-06T02:34:46 < specing> Cracki: yes, and it only happened after switching from manual triggering with ADSTART to tim15 hardware triggering
2020-03-06T02:35:09 < specing> Cracki: by value of CHSEL and Data, the measurements are all hundreds of LSBs apart
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2020-03-06T02:35:49 < specing> Hmm
2020-03-06T02:37:43 < specing> I thought it might be the ADSTART at end of ADC Init, but commenting it out results in the ADC not responding to hardware events
2020-03-06T02:42:52 < Cracki> the first two values that appear to be from the same channel, are they always identical, or do they look like separate conversions?
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2020-03-06T02:46:38 < Cracki> best I could find, someone triggers the conversion twice, maybe gives you ideas: https://community.st.com/s/question/0D50X00009XkgvL/haladcconvcpltcallback-called-twice
2020-03-06T02:48:46 < jadew> as of March 1. On March 2, the "Total tested" figure was removed from CDC's website.
2020-03-06T02:49:12 < jadew> they're hiding the fact that they're not testing people lol
2020-03-06T02:50:24 < jadew> according to their numbers they have a higher death rate than Iran lol
2020-03-06T02:50:32 < Thorn> no tests -> no positives
2020-03-06T02:50:39 < karlp> ==> no problem!
2020-03-06T02:50:57 < karlp> +also, no profits :( boo
2020-03-06T02:51:55 < qyx> who, usa?
2020-03-06T02:51:59 < jadew> qyx, yeah
2020-03-06T02:52:02 < karlp> well, many countries
2020-03-06T02:52:11 < jadew> I think they only stepped up the testing because the death rate was too high
2020-03-06T02:52:22 < karlp> a few days ago, russia was still at zero...
2020-03-06T02:52:27 < Thorn> a French MP is infected, in critical condition
2020-03-06T02:52:34 < qyx> we are testing 10 a day on average only
2020-03-06T02:52:43 < jadew> Thorn, really? got a link?
2020-03-06T02:52:44 < qyx> mainly people with symptoms
2020-03-06T02:52:59 < BrainDamage> I will expect that death rate in western countries will be quite high compared to the same quality of care in other countries
2020-03-06T02:53:03 < jadew> in here I heard they are doing hundreds of tests
2020-03-06T02:53:10 < BrainDamage> simply because western population is older on average
2020-03-06T02:53:18 < karlp> russia has "4" on the arcgis thing.
2020-03-06T02:53:23 < karlp> _riiiiightttt_
2020-03-06T02:53:35 < jadew> BrainDamage, that's an interesting observation
2020-03-06T02:53:58 < karlp> serbia still says 0.
2020-03-06T02:54:18 < karlp> .sk says 0 
2020-03-06T02:54:29 < qyx> yeah about 150 tested, 0 so far
2020-03-06T02:54:29 < karlp> albania says 0
2020-03-06T02:54:41 < karlp> I mean, fucking turkey says 0.
2020-03-06T02:54:43 < karlp> riiiiight
2020-03-06T02:54:57 < qyx> but who would ever come to .sk
2020-03-06T02:55:13 < jadew> oh, I'm wrong, we're not testing hundreds, we're testing tens
2020-03-06T02:55:17 < qyx> even our last prime minister said there is nothing in the east
2020-03-06T02:55:28 < englishman> can kitties get coronavirus
2020-03-06T02:55:28 < Thorn> jadew https://www.bfmtv.com/politique/coronavirus-un-depute-lr-hospitalise-avec-une-suspicion-de-contamination-1870046.html
2020-03-06T02:55:36 < karlp> is th east the czehc bit, or is that the west bit?
2020-03-06T02:55:50 < BrainDamage> the news here said that a lab here producing the tests is making 'hundreds of thousands per day', but I guess they are shipped all around the world
2020-03-06T02:56:03 < karlp> arcgis says .ru is 4 today.
2020-03-06T02:56:05 < karlp> surrre.
2020-03-06T02:56:17 < qyx> prague and czech part is more north/west, .sk part is the east part
2020-03-06T02:56:34 < jadew> BrainDamage, yeah, there's probably a shortage, Romania seems to have only a couple of thousands
2020-03-06T02:56:49 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/K11LJ07.jpg
2020-03-06T02:56:57 < Thorn> englishman: moscow government has been mass killing stray animals (mostly dogs afaict) for the last few days. animals rights activists are TRIGGERED
2020-03-06T02:57:36 < qyx> ^CARDMODE: +CME ERROR: SIM not inserted
2020-03-06T02:57:38 < jadew> Thorn, that happens in every civilized country
2020-03-06T02:57:47 < qyx> so, either my board or the modem is busted
2020-03-06T02:59:00 < karlp> did your sim card slot use double negatives for shit like SD?
2020-03-06T02:59:11 < karlp> like carrd detect or anything?
2020-03-06T03:00:53 < jadew> Thorn, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_dog#Romania
2020-03-06T03:02:10 < Laurenceb> you might be able to be more macho than Schwarzenegger if you lift, but will you be more macho than... a FOREST FIRE???
2020-03-06T03:02:40 < Laurenceb> like its burning trees and shit
2020-03-06T03:02:57 < Thorn> jadew: in this case it's specifically coronavirus related. apparently they believe dogs can spread it
2020-03-06T03:03:56 < karlp> music spam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht6_-_txEBg
2020-03-06T03:05:02 < BrainDamage> this is kinda interesting, I know, it's italian, but should be half understandable: https://images2.corriereobjects.it/methode_image/2020/03/05/Salute/Foto%20Salute%20-%20Trattate/Situazione%20al%205%20marzo%20ore%2017%20PER%20STAMPA-1-k8fH-U3170944858283qiD-1224x916@Corriere-Web-Sezioni-593x443.jpg?v=20200305191702
2020-03-06T03:05:27 < BrainDamage> of 3.2k infected, only 350 need intensie therapy, so 10%
2020-03-06T03:05:41 < BrainDamage> and only 1.8k are hospitalized
2020-03-06T03:06:01 < Laurenceb> maybe covid-19 is a more toxic masculinity than an australian forest fire
2020-03-06T03:06:05 < Thorn> btw there's already a plan to isolate Moscow, close all roads out of the city, stop all public transport. and they're preparing several thousand hospital beds for critical coronavirus patients
2020-03-06T03:06:16 < jadew> BrainDamage, yeah, those seem to be the figures
2020-03-06T03:06:23 < BrainDamage> so about half of the infected require assistance
2020-03-06T03:06:25 < jadew> but 10% is a lot
2020-03-06T03:06:29 < jadew> yeah
2020-03-06T03:06:36 < qyx> looks like the modem has some pins damaged
2020-03-06T03:06:53 < Thorn> 1.8k/3.2k is >50%. that will absolutely overload any healthcare system. there are not nearly enough ventilators
2020-03-06T03:06:54 < qyx> karlp: also there is no czechoslovakia for the past 30 years
2020-03-06T03:06:55 < qyx> nearly
2020-03-06T03:07:11 < BrainDamage> Thorn: ventilators are for intensive therapy
2020-03-06T03:07:20 < BrainDamage> that'd be the 10%
2020-03-06T03:07:28 < karlp> I know, but I was wondering whether they were still talking of "the east" as the h ated neighbours, or dividing your own country into good and bad
2020-03-06T03:07:41 < jadew> yeah, still not enough when it really starts to spread
2020-03-06T03:07:42 < qyx> heh, dividing the country
2020-03-06T03:07:46 < karlp> Thorn: right, but only 4 confirmed cases? :)
2020-03-06T03:07:49 < jadew> my hope is that those numbers are wrong
2020-03-06T03:07:54 < Thorn> still at most 5% of those 10% will get ventilators. the rest may get oxygen if lucky
2020-03-06T03:08:23 < jadew> for example, S. Korea which does the most extensive testing, reports less than 1% death rate and similar intensive care patients
2020-03-06T03:08:49 < BrainDamage> here military hospitals are preparing to house > 5k people per hospital for normal recovery
2020-03-06T03:08:50 < jadew> this might mean that the number of infected people everywhere else is much much higher than reported
2020-03-06T03:08:58 < qyx> so you are suspecting that for most of infected there are no symptoms?
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2020-03-06T03:09:10 < jadew> also, the 1% death rate is confirmed by the diamond princess patients
2020-03-06T03:09:16 < jadew> qyx, yes
2020-03-06T03:10:28 < doomba> cruise ship passengers come from the lowest common denominator of society - the normiest of the normies.
2020-03-06T03:10:46 < jadew> doomba, also, they're older I bet
2020-03-06T03:10:47 < doomba> if the death rate from them is 1% then it will be 0.5% for th erest
2020-03-06T03:10:57 < jadew> which is why the percentage is slightly higher than what S. Korea has found
2020-03-06T03:12:51 < jadew> even so... we're still looking at 14 to 24 million deaths this year from this thing
2020-03-06T03:13:03 < jadew> assuming a death rate between 0.6 and 1%
2020-03-06T03:13:30 < jadew> and also assuming that the 30% infection rate is correct
2020-03-06T03:14:59 < zyp> didn't find any decent footprint maps for ecp5, so I made one: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/rCCA8.png
2020-03-06T03:17:39 < zyp> DDR capable banks are 2, 3, 6 and 7, so if I'm gonna do sodimm with this footprint it's gonna need pretty much all the PL* and PR* balls
2020-03-06T03:17:41 < Thorn> >an unknown man in Norway has been pooping in golf holes for 10 years
2020-03-06T03:17:56 < zyp> not me
2020-03-06T03:17:56 < jadew> lol
2020-03-06T03:17:57 < Cracki> jadew, what makes you think infections are gonna get that much of the population? hubei has 270 ppm infected iirc
2020-03-06T03:18:25 < zyp> hmm
2020-03-06T03:18:27 < Laurenceb> meme idea: Harlam Shake but "The COVID-19" and everyone starts coughing phlegm and dieing
2020-03-06T03:18:37 < jadew> Cracki, people who understand these stuff better than me ran some models and that's what they came up with
2020-03-06T03:18:44 < Cracki> uhhhh
2020-03-06T03:18:51 < jadew> and they also said that up to 80% of the population will get it
2020-03-06T03:18:56 < Cracki> as always, "if current trends continue"
2020-03-06T03:19:03 < englishman> Laurenceb: are you super fat with high blood pressure now that you're unemployed and haven't left the house in 18 months
2020-03-06T03:19:13 < Cracki> if chinese numbers can be believed, they've got it under control
2020-03-06T03:19:13 < jadew> Cracki, I don't think it's about the trends
2020-03-06T03:19:24 < jadew> they run movement pattern simulations and stuff like that
2020-03-06T03:19:32 < Laurenceb> englishman: nah I'm too skinny :(
2020-03-06T03:19:39 < jadew> I don't think the Chinese have it under control
2020-03-06T03:20:09 < Cracki> you should suspect that most people may only carry it, but not get sick, or only get very mild symptoms
2020-03-06T03:20:09 < jadew> they might have slowed it down a little, but I think they caught it too late
2020-03-06T03:20:53 < BrainDamage> there will be observation bias unless you're randomly testing the population
2020-03-06T03:21:05 < BrainDamage> because you'll only catch those with evident symptoms
2020-03-06T03:21:07 < Cracki> arcgis page shows china leveling off. always, assuming their numbers aren't pulled out of someone's golf hole, their methods work or the virus has infected all it can
2020-03-06T03:21:09 < jadew> if the death rate is indeed under 1%, then it means China got on it way too late
2020-03-06T03:21:31 < jadew> and ended up dealing with the huge number of deaths that occurred from having LOTS of infections
2020-03-06T03:21:40 < Cracki> ok, so if we count carriers and mild symptoms towards infections, 80% would be a harmless number
2020-03-06T03:21:55 < jadew> I also think they didn't know what to expect at first and they honestly thought the death rate is higher
2020-03-06T03:22:12 < jadew> and that's why they did all that quarantine stuff
2020-03-06T03:22:32 < kakimir> I think starvation etc. doesn't count as covid19
2020-03-06T03:22:50 < BrainDamage> those are called secondary deaths
2020-03-06T03:23:02 < BrainDamage> they are still deaths, just collateral damage
2020-03-06T03:23:05 < Cracki> "it's starvation, not <other thing>" is my favorite excuse
2020-03-06T03:23:17 < kakimir> if they die before dying to covid19 -> no covid19
2020-03-06T03:23:24 < Cracki> lead poisoning
2020-03-06T03:23:35 < jadew> right, I don't want to think about the people who died during that quarantine for lack of stuff
2020-03-06T03:23:36 < kakimir> possible
2020-03-06T03:23:41 < jadew> (better stock up on toilet paper)
2020-03-06T03:23:43 < BrainDamage> same way a hurricane kills more people by tiphus and starvation
2020-03-06T03:23:55 < BrainDamage> than by direct squish
2020-03-06T03:23:56 < Cracki> typhus is awesome
2020-03-06T03:24:04 < Cracki> also lice
2020-03-06T03:24:13 < karlp> zyp: what are you planning with this ecp5? just a bigger host for your usb-phy game or somethign else?
2020-03-06T03:24:14 < Cracki> plague rats are fun too
2020-03-06T03:24:36 < BrainDamage> plague rats are one of the few things we're quite lucky in europe
2020-03-06T03:24:44 < BrainDamage> we got uber strong genetic resistance to the plague
2020-03-06T03:24:57 < BrainDamage> thanks to all the historical weedings that happened
2020-03-06T03:24:57 < Cracki> a plentiful natural resource. turn them into soylent.
2020-03-06T03:25:09 < karlp> Cracki: hubei might have 270ppm, but iceland has ~100ppm infected :)
2020-03-06T03:25:29 < BrainDamage> iceland has quantization error problems
2020-03-06T03:25:34 < karlp> no shit :)
2020-03-06T03:25:40 < karlp> but it's fun to play with :)
2020-03-06T03:25:50 < BrainDamage> germoney is taking off
2020-03-06T03:25:59 < BrainDamage> it was less than 200 only two days ago
2020-03-06T03:26:10 < Cracki> our pension system will be glad for it
2020-03-06T03:26:14 < karlp> 100% of our infected were on ski trips in n. italy or austria
2020-03-06T03:26:15 < jadew> yeah, I think they started to seriously test
2020-03-06T03:26:30 < Cracki> maybe this even opens up some job opportunities to younger people
2020-03-06T03:26:32 < BrainDamage> oh yes, our government was super glad
2020-03-06T03:26:37 < BrainDamage> err, will be
2020-03-06T03:26:55 < Cracki> let's restore the population pyramid shape
2020-03-06T03:26:56 < BrainDamage> a huge deal of italian deficit is due to carless spending on pensions
2020-03-06T03:27:12 < jadew> BrainDamage, socialist government?
2020-03-06T03:27:15 < BrainDamage> in the 80s people could go in pension with 19 years of work wage
2020-03-06T03:27:26 < Cracki> how much pension for 19 years?
2020-03-06T03:27:35 < Cracki> in germany you get pension proportional to how much you paid into it
2020-03-06T03:27:45 < BrainDamage> 600-800 euro of modern money
2020-03-06T03:27:55 < Cracki> as monthly wages, some calculation
2020-03-06T03:27:57 < Cracki> hmhm
2020-03-06T03:28:07 < jadew> it's silly to rely on pension
2020-03-06T03:28:17 < Cracki> I think we're at 50% of your last or average monthly wage as pension now
2020-03-06T03:28:22 < Cracki> very silly
2020-03-06T03:28:24 < jadew> older people didn't know that, but we have no excuse to make the same mistake
2020-03-06T03:28:44 < BrainDamage> we still have to pay them until they die
2020-03-06T03:28:53 < Cracki> older people should have made more children if they wanted pension
2020-03-06T03:28:53 < karlp> Cracki: well, duh, it should be mor elike 80 or so right?
2020-03-06T03:29:04 < karlp> at _leaast_?
2020-03-06T03:29:10 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/coronaviruscare/status/1235404513575493636
2020-03-06T03:29:27 < zyp> karlp, usb2 hooked to ulpi phy, usb3 hooked to serdes, sodimm, bunch of generic IO
2020-03-06T03:29:30 < Cracki> lol england
2020-03-06T03:30:09 < jadew> well, they can put them somewhere else
2020-03-06T03:30:11 < karlp> zyp: end goal is a usb3 connected usb2-hs protocol analyuser then?
2020-03-06T03:30:20 < jadew> all they need is empty buildings
2020-03-06T03:30:25 < BrainDamage> here we have a lot of military hospitals
2020-03-06T03:30:32 < BrainDamage> that normally don't serve civils
2020-03-06T03:30:37 < zyp> karlp, not really, hadn't even considered that :)
2020-03-06T03:31:01 < BrainDamage> also what matters is also number of doctors per capita
2020-03-06T03:31:10 < Cracki> gymnastics halls, same as for flooding or other natural catastrophes
2020-03-06T03:31:19 < BrainDamage> you can build a place fast, but you cannot train a doctor in weeks
2020-03-06T03:31:27 < jadew> BrainDamage, yeah, that too, but in cases like this you can probably train nurses pretty well
2020-03-06T03:31:34 < zyp> karlp, but I figure tons of memory might be useful for signal capture in general
2020-03-06T03:31:36 < Cracki> you can set a med tech to drawing blood and operating testing equipment
2020-03-06T03:31:47 < jadew> the procedures becoming more of a routine anyway
2020-03-06T03:32:02 < Cracki> you can even teach military service ppl how to stick a needle in someone's body
2020-03-06T03:32:08 < zyp> karlp, e.g. it could make a good LA that can do pretty long/fast captures
2020-03-06T03:32:17 < Cracki> wait, they only need to stick a thing in your mouth eh?
2020-03-06T03:32:20 < zyp> or analog captures with a suitable ADC addon
2020-03-06T03:32:23 < BrainDamage> https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Physicians/Per-1,000-people
2020-03-06T03:32:27 < BrainDamage> ahaha san marino
2020-03-06T03:32:31 < BrainDamage> city of doctors
2020-03-06T03:32:44 < Cracki> summer residences
2020-03-06T03:33:00 < BrainDamage> seriously, 50/1000 is mind boggling
2020-03-06T03:33:02 < zyp> or ethernet stuff, I'm tempted to do an addon board with a QSGMII phy
2020-03-06T03:33:04 < englishman> today i learned that this fx3-powered usb3 device at work has a max data transfer rate of 300Mbps
2020-03-06T03:33:08 < Cracki> summer residences, definitely
2020-03-06T03:33:12 < englishman> it has a $200 fpga
2020-03-06T03:33:20 < zyp> englishman, fun
2020-03-06T03:33:26 < englishman> the fuck are they doing
2020-03-06T03:33:50 < jadew> BrainDamage, it doesn't matter much if they're all dentists
2020-03-06T03:34:27 < kakimir> yes englishman
2020-03-06T03:34:28 < Cracki> do something! *grabs molar tongs*
2020-03-06T03:34:41 < kakimir> what is wrong with fpga englisman?
2020-03-06T03:34:52 < englishman> they use like 5% of gates
2020-03-06T03:35:14 < BrainDamage> kakimir: it's like bolting a ferrari engine on a tram
2020-03-06T03:35:31 < zyp> karlp, part of the thing is that there isn't a lot of interesting ecp5 boards available yet
2020-03-06T03:35:49 < kakimir> they didn't want to simulate or anything
2020-03-06T03:36:10 < BrainDamage> the development tools tell you already the area occupation
2020-03-06T03:36:10 < kakimir> just overkill the design
2020-03-06T03:36:29 < kakimir> they did board first?
2020-03-06T03:36:47 < englishman> halfway thru development they switched from ise to aldec
2020-03-06T03:36:53 < englishman> which has a yearly $2k license fee
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2020-03-06T03:50:40 < karlp> zyp: that radion or whatsit croatian one looked half decent at least
2020-03-06T03:51:07 < zyp> https://radiona.org/ulx3s/ <- this?
2020-03-06T03:51:43 < karlp> yeah
2020-03-06T03:51:53 < karlp> (not an fpga duder, just thought it looked half interesting at least)
2020-03-06T03:52:06 < karlp> I mean, why the directional arrow buttons, but whatever
2020-03-06T03:52:35 < zyp> https://radiona.org/ulx3s/assets/img/demo_gaming.gif <- for shit like this, I assume
2020-03-06T03:53:02 < karlp> well, yeah, I just think, like, really? you want to do gaming on an fpga? the fucking esp32 host is more appropriate
2020-03-06T03:53:19 < rajkosto> fpga implementations of consoles are a thing nowadays
2020-03-06T03:53:24 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZTnR3FpUEA enjoy jesper kyd soundtrack
2020-03-06T03:53:27 < karlp> anyway, I've merged a bunch of locm3 shit, I've done a _tiny_ bit of hub routing. time fo rbed I guess.
2020-03-06T03:53:32 < rajkosto> obviously that fpga is too small for one but still
2020-03-06T03:53:48 < karlp> rajkosto: sure, as one offs to show off, but for a common platform?
2020-03-06T03:54:31 < zyp> rajkosto, judging by the pics, it doesn't look too small
2020-03-06T03:54:45 < rajkosto> they already runnin amiggaaaaa on it apparently
2020-03-06T03:55:28 < zyp> karlp, anyway, yeah, it looks fun
2020-03-06T03:56:06 < zyp> I'm probably picking up one when they launch the crowdsupply (which they told me they are about to do, when I emailed them)
2020-03-06T03:56:14 < zyp> unless I get something else first
2020-03-06T03:57:14 < zyp> but it's not really comparable to the board I'm thinking about doing
2020-03-06T03:58:10 < jadew> https://qz.com/india/1811526/bizarre-coronavirus-remedies-suggested-by-indian-politicians/amp/
2020-03-06T03:58:48 < zyp> this one is also interesting: https://github.com/gregdavill/OrangeCrab
2020-03-06T03:58:51 < zyp> more memory, less IO
2020-03-06T03:59:21 < kakimir> nice pcb
2020-03-06T03:59:38 < dongs>  /amp/ nice job judenw
2020-03-06T03:59:40 < dongs> not clicking
2020-03-06T03:59:50 < zyp> also this one: https://www.crowdsupply.com/tinyfpga/tinyfpga-ex
2020-03-06T03:59:58 < zyp> less memory, but serdes routed to usb-c
2020-03-06T04:00:04 < kakimir> prices?
2020-03-06T04:00:19 < zyp> dunno, doesn't matter at the moment as they are not available yet :p
2020-03-06T04:00:48 < kakimir> let's just look photos of them and enjoy
2020-03-06T04:01:30 < zyp> https://github.com/gregdavill/ButterStick <- this one is also interesting
2020-03-06T04:03:15 < zyp> dongs, question, how are 6L protos priced compared to 4L protos?
2020-03-06T04:03:15 < kakimir> sexy connectors
2020-03-06T04:03:30 < dongs> zyp, just as expensive
2020-03-06T04:03:36 < dongs> but not by much
2020-03-06T04:04:02 < zyp> so to look at it the other way, just as affordable?
2020-03-06T04:04:27 < karlp> zyp: yeah, orange crab was another I was thinking of,
2020-03-06T04:04:42 < karlp> looked only really interesting for doing softcore test shit though, fuck all io available,
2020-03-06T04:05:01 < karlp> tinyfpga-ex was new, thanks
2020-03-06T04:05:02 < zyp> then there is this one: https://github.com/daveshah1/TrellisBoard
2020-03-06T04:05:19 < dongs> isnt that just a clone of ecp5-versa
2020-03-06T04:05:32 < dongs> they had that on sale for liek $99
2020-03-06T04:05:36 < dongs> isnt that chaeper than fabbing your own shit
2020-03-06T04:05:38 < karlp> what the fuck is "SYZYGY" ?
2020-03-06T04:05:40 < zyp> no, it's more capable
2020-03-06T04:06:04 < zyp> karlp, some pinout «standard» that somebody are trying to establish
2020-03-06T04:08:06 < zyp> dongs, it's $250 now if you want the 5G one
2020-03-06T04:09:01 < dongs> 220-2123-ND 99.00000 99.00
2020-03-06T04:09:01 < dongs> ECP5-5G VERSA DEVELOPMENT KIT -
2020-03-06T04:09:05 < dongs> when I bought it in '2017
2020-03-06T04:09:21 < zyp> yeah, but this is 2020
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2020-03-06T04:11:26 < kakimir> does propagation delay include output load that is within specification?
2020-03-06T04:12:22 < kakimir> I sneezed
2020-03-06T04:12:25 < kakimir> here we go
2020-03-06T04:12:37 < zyp> rip
2020-03-06T04:12:50 < englishman> what is the output load of coronavirus
2020-03-06T04:13:24 < kakimir> 1rip
2020-03-06T04:13:41 < kakimir> typical
2020-03-06T04:13:50 < kakimir> minimum of 0.3rip
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2020-03-06T04:48:22 < ColdKeyboard> Does every STM have the same ADC "quality"?
2020-03-06T04:48:58 < ColdKeyboard> I'm curious because STM's power profiling shield is using STM32L476 for A2D
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2020-03-06T04:49:36 < ColdKeyboard> Makes me wonder if I'm losing anything by using STM32F2 instead of L4 or F3/F4 for example
2020-03-06T05:11:52 < dongs> they might be using SDADC stuff 
2020-03-06T05:11:56 < dongs> idk if L476 has it
2020-03-06T05:12:15 < dongs> tho that might be F3 specific thing
2020-03-06T05:12:35 < Cracki> F2 and F4 are older than F3 and L-something, aren't they
2020-03-06T05:12:40 < dongs> yes
2020-03-06T05:13:11 < Cracki> for numbers, I'd pick a datasheet or two per series and compare
2020-03-06T05:13:24 < Cracki> (apart from the basic difference between normal ADC and SDADC)
2020-03-06T05:13:25 < dongs> F2 is fucking ancient
2020-03-06T05:13:32 < dongs> nobody should be using it for anything at this point
2020-03-06T05:14:37 < dongs> https://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/d9/90/d7/70/7c/ff/45/6d/DM00070480.pdf/files/DM00070480.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00070480.pdf
2020-03-06T05:14:40 < dongs> loks like F3 only
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2020-03-06T05:15:21 < Cracki> and the higher end f3 too. my cute little f303 doesn't have it
2020-03-06T05:15:56 < dongs> https://www.st.com/resource/en/application_note/dm00050879.pdf 
2020-03-06T05:16:05 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: ^ this might be of intereste if you havent read it yet
2020-03-06T05:17:18 < ColdKeyboard> dongs, thanks, I did. They talk about enabling/disabling fetching to minimize noise and basic improvements like averaging and etc.
2020-03-06T05:17:24 < dongs> yeah
2020-03-06T05:18:23 < Cracki> note that the existence of this appnote doesn't imply that f2/f4 are better, but that one too many people complained when the chips didn't show good performance even with bad practices
2020-03-06T05:18:29 < ColdKeyboard> I think they are not using SDADC because they are sampling at a very high rate.
2020-03-06T05:18:49 < ColdKeyboard> So you guys think L4 would be a better option than F2 or F2 for ADC?
2020-03-06T05:18:52 < Cracki> you can get high sample rate out of adadc too
2020-03-06T05:19:13 < Cracki> personally I'd compare L4 and F3 and maybe some other series
2020-03-06T05:19:22 < Cracki> or just pick what's handy :P
2020-03-06T05:21:44 < ColdKeyboard> That also makes sense. I'm not sure but I assume layout and signal conditioning would have a higher impact than 12bit ADC performance.
2020-03-06T05:22:00 < Cracki> L-series is low power optimized, which means low noise too. in general it's a good idea to not do much while sampling and conversion is taking place
2020-03-06T05:22:59 < ColdKeyboard> Oh that's actually a very good point!
2020-03-06T05:23:25 < Cracki> the f2/f4 appnote probably talked about such measures :P
2020-03-06T05:23:35 < dongs> https://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/group0/3f/4c/a4/82/bd/63/4e/92/CD00211314/files/CD00211314.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00211314.pdf
2020-03-06T05:23:39 < dongs> seems some STM32s have 16bit adc?
2020-03-06T05:23:42 < dongs> is that the SDADC stuff?
2020-03-06T05:23:44 < Cracki> and that
2020-03-06T05:23:47 < dongs> or doees L4 have 16bit
2020-03-06T05:24:14 < Cracki> hw oversampling
2020-03-06T05:24:25 < Cracki> may be a mode of the 12-bit adc
2020-03-06T05:24:35 < Cracki> I think it is, someone talked about that here before
2020-03-06T05:26:10 < Cracki> biggest impact to me is actually doing the adc calibration procedure (HAL has a call for that) *g* without it you get almost garbage
2020-03-06T05:26:11 < ColdKeyboard> Interesting. I'll take a look at that.
2020-03-06T05:27:01 < dongs> F2 doesn't need calibration
2020-03-06T05:27:03 < Cracki> hw oversampling just means it's doing the addition in hw. you can do that yourself on a 12-bit adc
2020-03-06T05:27:05 < dongs> thats a F3-specific thing
2020-03-06T05:27:15 < dongs> which also means tehre's different ADC peripheral hardware versions
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2020-03-06T05:44:56 < ColdKeyboard> So ST32L4x6 has 16bit (12bit + hw oversampling)
2020-03-06T05:45:13 < ColdKeyboard> I guess I'll just use STM32L496 since I have that laying around...
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2020-03-06T05:54:40 < dongs> thats why they used it then.
2020-03-06T05:55:24 < ColdKeyboard> Bastards don't give a schematic for it... which is super weird but okay... keep your secrets.
2020-03-06T05:57:12 < dongs> schematic for waht
2020-03-06T05:57:14 < dongs> discovery?
2020-03-06T05:57:28 < ColdKeyboard> X-NUCLEO-LPM01A
2020-03-06T05:57:54 < dongs> user manual should have sccehamtic at teh end
2020-03-06T05:58:07 < ColdKeyboard> It doesn't
2020-03-06T05:58:25 < ColdKeyboard> That's why I'm saying it's super weird
2020-03-06T05:59:05 < dongs> https://community.st.com/s/question/0D50X0000BaJy6FSQS/is-a-schematic-available-for-xnucleolpm01a
2020-03-06T05:59:08 < dongs> wat
2020-03-06T05:59:26 < ColdKeyboard> Yeah, exactly
2020-03-06T05:59:45 < ColdKeyboard> I'm surprised. Either they didn't design it or for some other reason they don't want to share it...
2020-03-06T06:00:20 < ColdKeyboard> I mean they are selling it for $100 but I don't see a lot of people using or buying it so no idea why not give people at least the schematic... keep the fw if you want
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2020-03-06T06:12:39 < Cracki> eembc designed that. ST only seems to distribute it
2020-03-06T06:12:51 < Cracki> if that
2020-03-06T06:17:15 < Cracki> hey, what sites are there to find the cheapest flights from X to anywhere. I'm wondering if this is the time to take a trip
2020-03-06T06:17:26 < dongs> whats wrong with google.com/flights?
2020-03-06T06:17:31 < dongs> usually works for me
2020-03-06T06:18:04 < Cracki> til
2020-03-06T06:18:23 < dongs> rly
2020-03-06T06:19:05 < Cracki> I haven't left the state in over 12 years or so
2020-03-06T06:19:09 < Cracki> poor af
2020-03-06T06:20:04 < Cracki> lol berlin is the cheapest dst for me within germany. nobody wants to go there.
2020-03-06T06:20:15 < Cracki> ooh, milan 40 bucks
2020-03-06T06:21:49 < Cracki> tempted. if the bank gives me back the 40 bucks the ATM claimed were monopoly money...
2020-03-06T06:22:30 < machinehum> Where's a good place to buy a suit that won't look like shit
2020-03-06T06:22:34 < machinehum> I'm broke
2020-03-06T06:23:46 < Cracki> what's the occasion
2020-03-06T06:25:16 < machinehum> Wedding
2020-03-06T06:25:23 < machinehum> Also I need suit
2020-03-06T06:26:21 < Cracki> if you aren't putting a ring on anything, you can show up in a potato sack
2020-03-06T06:27:51 < dongs> isnt milan italy?
2020-03-06T06:28:00 < dongs> i thought italy was the hotspot of coronavirus in europe now
2020-03-06T06:28:27 < dongs> you could go there but you prolly wont be able to come back without quarantine
2020-03-06T06:29:48 < Cracki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2020-03-06T06:30:23 < Cracki> you're threatening me with fourteen days of peace, you monster
2020-03-06T06:31:06 < Cracki> 36 bucks a night for some 4-star hotel there
2020-03-06T06:31:25 < Cracki> images don't show the broom closet that likely is
2020-03-06T06:32:43 < machinehum> I need a sick suit this weddings and to ask to shot up to bigshot VC meeting where I'll pitch my ifeas of IO dildos and 
2020-03-06T06:32:58 < machinehum> "the keurig of toylets"
2020-03-06T06:33:01 < Cracki> something with flame trim?
2020-03-06T06:33:19 < machinehum> tf is that?
2020-03-06T06:33:22 < Cracki> what's a toylet, a bowl for playing with doodoo?
2020-03-06T06:33:38 < Cracki> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81T97X4blAL._AC_UX569_.jpg
2020-03-06T06:34:03 < Cracki> bigshot vietcongs are impressed by hoodies and sneakers
2020-03-06T06:34:07 < machinehum> You snap the top down on the one time use TP cartridge
2020-03-06T06:34:28 < machinehum> Holy fuck that guy fieri shirt
2020-03-06T06:34:30 < machinehum> huge
2020-03-06T06:46:04 < Spirit532> I have a really weird issue. When I run a multichannel DMA ADC with overlap in the comparator function, one of the channels that I'm sampling(COMP3, out of 3 total) is reading a random value of ~2008
2020-03-06T06:46:24 < Spirit532> This is on an STM32G474VET6, CubeIDE with CubeMX.
2020-03-06T06:46:32 < Spirit532> The ADC has 7 channels in total, including 1 for temp
2020-03-06T06:47:11 < Spirit532> I'm running continuous DMA on a separate channel(2), into a uint16_t[18] array
2020-03-06T06:48:06 < Spirit532> Here's what I'm seeing on the uint16_t[18] array: https://i.spirit.re/i7FdW.png
2020-03-06T06:49:53 < Cracki> clarify, is that array 18 samples of channel 2, or what?
2020-03-06T06:50:01 < Cracki> ah, dma channel
2020-03-06T06:50:28 < Cracki> what does adc channel 3 do, and why do you say 2008 is random/
2020-03-06T06:52:32 < Spirit532> https://i.spirit.re/i3tIh.png
2020-03-06T06:52:35 < Spirit532> here's my entire layout
2020-03-06T06:52:54 < Spirit532> channels 2 through 7 are identical to 1
2020-03-06T06:53:01 < Spirit532> (but obviously set to different outputs)
2020-03-06T06:53:17 < Spirit532> and that array is the entire dma buffer
2020-03-06T06:53:24 < Spirit532> uint16_t adc_data[18] = {0};
2020-03-06T06:53:28 < Spirit532> HAL_ADC_Start_DMA(&hadc1, (uint32_t*)adc_data, 7);
2020-03-06T06:53:32 < Cracki> so in4 goes into [3]
2020-03-06T06:53:42 < Spirit532> yes
2020-03-06T06:53:48 < Cracki> or does in7 go into [3]
2020-03-06T06:53:57 < Cracki> does it skip disabled channels, did you configure that
2020-03-06T06:53:59 < Cracki> ah, ranks
2020-03-06T06:54:08 < Cracki> you ask for all ranks
2020-03-06T06:54:08 < Spirit532> in4 goes into rank 3
2020-03-06T06:54:35 < Cracki> k then what's on PA3 that is 2008 LSB worth
2020-03-06T06:54:42 < Spirit532> nothing
2020-03-06T06:54:49 < Cracki> floating?
2020-03-06T06:54:58 < Cracki> touch the pin maybe
2020-03-06T06:55:14 < Spirit532> nope
2020-03-06T06:55:29 < Cracki> why are you sampling it, if nothing is attached?
2020-03-06T06:56:00 < Cracki> "nope" it's not floating, or nope not touching?
2020-03-06T06:56:06 < Spirit532> not floating
2020-03-06T06:56:11 < Spirit532> and the comparator(COMP2) on it works
2020-03-06T06:56:33 < Spirit532> in- set by the dac, in+ lights up and triggers callback when I touch it with my finger
2020-03-06T06:56:34 < Cracki> hm, open RM, find circuits applicable to that pin.
2020-03-06T06:56:47 < Cracki> maybe comparator operation gives you this
2020-03-06T06:57:03 < Spirit532> should I disable comparator init and comparator start?
2020-03-06T06:57:11 < Spirit532> let'
2020-03-06T06:57:13 < Cracki> no clue
2020-03-06T06:57:16 < Spirit532> let's see what that gives me
2020-03-06T06:57:17 < Cracki> try?
2020-03-06T06:57:45 < Cracki> were you hoping to use analog voltage on that pin for comparator and adc at the same time?
2020-03-06T06:57:52 < Spirit532> yes
2020-03-06T06:57:55 < Cracki> hmmmmmmmm
2020-03-06T06:58:09 < Spirit532> displaying the analog voltage as a waveform(on an lcd) to let the user adjust the comparator threshold
2020-03-06T06:58:15 < Cracki> def skim RM. I wonder if both might interfere.
2020-03-06T06:58:30 < Cracki> or if you have to engage some (analog) buffer or w/e
2020-03-06T06:58:33 < Spirit532> and still nothing, disabled comparators completely and it still displays a stable 2016
2020-03-06T06:59:06 < Cracki> unfold rank 2,3,4 in cubemx, check that channels are chosen correctly
2020-03-06T06:59:33 < Cracki> also how fast is that thing running? clock tree.
2020-03-06T07:00:09 < Spirit532> ranks https://i.spirit.re/P92nv.png
2020-03-06T07:00:21 < Cracki> ...
2020-03-06T07:00:21 < Spirit532> https://i.spirit.re/G49T0.png
2020-03-06T07:00:22 < Spirit532> fast, very.
2020-03-06T07:00:27 < Cracki> so [3] is rank 4, is chanenl 7
2020-03-06T07:00:32 < Cracki> now wat
2020-03-06T07:01:18 < Cracki> 168 mhz and 12.5 cycles conversion + whatever sampling, that's VERY FAST
2020-03-06T07:01:26 < Spirit532> oh, wait, I'm dumb
2020-03-06T07:01:29 < Cracki> I would question your analog source's impedance
2020-03-06T07:01:34 < Spirit532> I was looking at [3], not [2]
2020-03-06T07:01:38 < Spirit532> let me fix things
2020-03-06T07:02:20 < Spirit532> ch7 should be around 2000, because it's a bidirectional current monitor that is outputting 1.64v idle
2020-03-06T07:02:41 < Spirit532> is the adc running at 168mhz as well though?
2020-03-06T07:02:44 < Cracki> and calculate your sampling time. 12.5/168e6 is 74 nanoseconds
2020-03-06T07:03:31 < Cracki> pick PLLP and set it (up and to the right) to some good divisor so you get a sane clock
2020-03-06T07:03:41 < Cracki> 74 ns is a little ambitious to be sampling analog signals
2020-03-06T07:04:26 < Cracki> ADC involves charging a capacitor over and over again. your analog signal source has to have low enough impedance so that the cap can match
2020-03-06T07:04:43 < Cracki> see linked pdfs above from dongs, one of those is general stm32 ADC recommendations appnote
2020-03-06T07:05:09 < Spirit532> I'm pretty sure the adc runs much slower than that
2020-03-06T07:05:59 < Cracki> [3] = rank 4 = adc1 ch7, which isn't even configured on the big pinout view, but that's ok
2020-03-06T07:06:03 < Cracki> how sure are you :P
2020-03-06T07:06:18 < Cracki> maybe your sysclk isn't 168 mhz
2020-03-06T07:06:38 < Spirit532> does the adc run at 168mhz?
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2020-03-06T07:06:58 < Cracki> those pictures say yes
2020-03-06T07:07:02 < Spirit532> if I sampled for 2.5 clock samples, that'd mean a ~67MHz 12bit ADC
2020-03-06T07:07:05 < Spirit532> which is just not right
2020-03-06T07:07:17 < Cracki> assuming you run it off HSI and that is indeed 16 mhz and not broken
2020-03-06T07:07:32 < Spirit532> well it seems to be reading just fine
2020-03-06T07:07:42 < Cracki> adc12 clock mux, the rhing to the left of "to adc12 (mhz)"
2020-03-06T07:08:00 < Cracki> it's reading something. do those values come close to what you expect?
2020-03-06T07:08:02 < Spirit532> oh, right...
2020-03-06T07:08:05 < Spirit532> yeah, they do
2020-03-06T07:08:21 < Cracki> then your analog voltages must have very low impedance
2020-03-06T07:08:22 < Spirit532> I mean it's reading mains conducted through my finger to a good few hundred LSBs
2020-03-06T07:09:27 < Cracki> i'd strongly recommend flipping adc12 clock mux from sysclk to pllp, and giving "PLL /P" (the blue box near the middle left) some divisor that moves it in the vincinity of 1 mhz or so
2020-03-06T07:09:37 < Cracki> that's nice and relaxed
2020-03-06T07:09:53 < Spirit532> I'd rather sample for longer
2020-03-06T07:10:12 < Cracki> sure, you can set sample time to maximum, which might be 600 cycles or something
2020-03-06T07:11:35 < Cracki> RM has formulas for input impedance and sampling time, or just increase it until it's low noise and matching what you expect to whatever precision you want
2020-03-06T07:11:39 < machinehum> I just signed a lease to move into the most hobo fucking house ever
2020-03-06T07:12:10 < machinehum> There were just beer cans all over the floor... the LL was like "yeah the tenants drink sometimes"
2020-03-06T07:12:44 < Cracki> that's like seeing the blue stains on the gas chamber and the warden says "yeah we're fumigating clothes sometimes"
2020-03-06T07:12:52 < Spirit532> I wonder how the oversampling works... 
2020-03-06T07:12:53 < Spirit532> let's see
2020-03-06T07:12:58 < Spirit532> it's got built in oversampling
2020-03-06T07:13:31 < Cracki> you want 16 bits with an adc at 168 mhz?
2020-03-06T07:13:53 < Spirit532> 13 or 14 would be nice to get a clean 12
2020-03-06T07:14:03 < Cracki> movie rec: sonic the hedgehog
2020-03-06T07:24:44 < dongs> yeah i heard it was pretty good
2020-03-06T07:27:15 < Spirit532> huh, sampling for *too* long(4x oversample 247.5 cycles) causes funny behavior
2020-03-06T07:27:23 < Spirit532> garbage readings, and the comparator starts triggering
2020-03-06T07:32:46 < Cracki> 6 microseconds
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2020-03-06T07:44:48 < Spirit532> it samples fine and is pretty stable
2020-03-06T07:44:53 < Spirit532> or should be stable enough
2020-03-06T07:52:46 < Cracki> coronavirus: canned soup sales doubled
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2020-03-06T08:19:08 < Spirit532> Man, these new chips are flexible as heck
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2020-03-06T08:19:27 < Spirit532> I just piped the internal DAC through the internal opamp in follower mode, into the internal ADC, which oversamples the reading
2020-03-06T08:19:52 < Spirit532> (doing this to accurately monitor the dac voltage because it also sets the comparator voltage, so I have to correlate)
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2020-03-06T08:59:27 < dongs> zyp: https://store.steampowered.com/app/251870 got a free steam game 4 u
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2020-03-06T09:01:56 < zyp> haha
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2020-03-06T09:42:33 < dongs> is there such thing as 3.3V RS485 driver?
2020-03-06T09:42:44 < dongs> whats the 485 swing voltage
2020-03-06T09:42:55 < dongs> is it specified to be something or just "wahtever" as long as there's differential?
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2020-03-06T09:50:43 < jpa-> dongs: +-1.5V minimum
2020-03-06T09:50:54 < jpa-> so should be perfectly possible to have 3.3V RS485 driver
2020-03-06T09:51:16 < jpa-> (+-1.5V minimum at transmitting end, receivers must be able to work with +-0.2V)
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2020-03-06T10:12:14 < dongs> hm i see
2020-03-06T10:12:23 < dongs> my 485pro pal says 3V drivers arent good enough tho
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2020-03-06T11:02:28 < karlp> wat?
2020-03-06T11:02:35 < dongs> idk
2020-03-06T11:02:54 < karlp> dongs: the one I recommended to you, the intersil one, and the one we've got in every single shipped part is a 3.3v part...
2020-03-06T11:03:06 < karlp> what does your pal mean, "aren't good enough" ?
2020-03-06T11:03:23 < karlp> is that just, "it's not the original snblah ti part that ran at 5v, so it suckz0s?"
2020-03-06T11:03:36 < dongs> which part was that? lemme retweet that shit
2020-03-06T11:03:45 < karlp> isl83.... one tick
2020-03-06T11:03:59 < karlp> isl83483
2020-03-06T11:04:30 < karlp> you can probably do better these days, with <1 unit load.
2020-03-06T11:05:11 < karlp> if you wanna go fast, there's other parts that aren't slew limited in the same family
2020-03-06T11:05:25 < dongs> i dont think this even needs to be faster than 250kbit
2020-03-06T11:05:32 < dongs> its some dmx-ish shit
2020-03-06T11:12:25 < dongs> ok its standard 485 pinout
2020-03-06T11:12:26 < dongs> nice
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2020-03-06T11:20:53 < karlp> hell yeah, aint no body got time for nonstandard bullshit
2020-03-06T11:21:44 < karlp> you can get parts with higher common mode voltage limits and shit if that matters, but whatevs
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2020-03-06T11:39:51 < karlp> oh, del created corona32: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34k3GwQtbbs
2020-03-06T11:45:03 < Thorn> dongs e.g. adm3485
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2020-03-06T11:54:07 < karlp> that's like the pricier analog version of the intersil part :)
2020-03-06T11:54:41 < karlp> same packgin options same slew rates, same ratings
2020-03-06T12:04:21 < Thorn> https://imgur.com/gallery/YQcsKXV
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2020-03-06T12:21:50 < karlp> nice deal
2020-03-06T12:31:48 < jpa-> eh, AN5166: "A resistor network (R_NTC , R_2 and R_3 ) is used to polarize the measured voltage (acting as temperature image of the electronic power drive)."        and what they are trying to say is "measure temperature with NTC resistor and ADC"
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2020-03-06T12:53:59 < englishman> dongs: hv65 something is 3.3
2020-03-06T12:54:30 < englishman> machinehum: if you're poor, rent one. if you really want to buy one, indochino
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2020-03-06T13:03:04 < dongs> ya soklved it
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2020-03-06T13:19:57 < qyx> hah, first corizzle wizzle here
2020-03-06T13:20:04 < qyx> or how did antto call it
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2020-03-06T13:54:05 < englishman> A new research paper claimed the new coronavirus has two distinct strains — and that it's possible to be infected with both at the same time
2020-03-06T13:54:10 < englishman> gotta catch em all
2020-03-06T13:54:24 < Thorn> and die twice
2020-03-06T13:55:21 < englishman> the kittens are very sick Thorn
2020-03-06T13:55:42 < englishman> I hope they make it
2020-03-06T13:55:43 < Thorn> what kittens
2020-03-06T13:56:33 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/K11LJ07.jpg
2020-03-06T13:57:04 < Thorn> that's not lil dongs is it
2020-03-06T13:57:07 < kakimir> very good
2020-03-06T13:57:08 < englishman> no
2020-03-06T13:57:25 < kakimir> very nice kittens
2020-03-06T13:57:39 < englishman> the littl black one has a white patch like lil'dongs tho
2020-03-06T13:57:59 < kakimir> lil'dongs is the father?
2020-03-06T13:58:14 < englishman> no
2020-03-06T13:58:38 < englishman> lil'dongs has no balls
2020-03-06T14:00:01 < kakimir> some stranger is the father?
2020-03-06T14:00:27 < kakimir> what an interesting time to have kittens
2020-03-06T14:00:31 < englishman> yeah not sure who
2020-03-06T14:00:37 < kakimir> like 2-3months early
2020-03-06T14:00:54 < englishman> it's always warm in the barn
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2020-03-06T15:05:15 < aandrew> fucking hell, I fed the stupid free weekly newspaper into the snowblower this morning
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2020-03-06T15:22:36 < doomba> is that bad?
2020-03-06T15:23:23 < doomba> i donno i guess if it were in the US, then you now have orange snow?
2020-03-06T15:23:58 < doomba> the ink might be black, but when you shred up 50 pages or so of "orange man bad", the paper bleeds orange.
2020-03-06T15:27:12 < BrainDamage> aandrew: you accidentally made pykrete then
2020-03-06T15:27:15 < BrainDamage> time to shoot it
2020-03-06T15:43:26 < aandrew> pykrete? 
2020-03-06T15:43:42 < aandrew> is that some kind of play on concrete?
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2020-03-06T15:49:43 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pykrete
2020-03-06T15:49:43 < PaulFertser> Apparently dogs have cold noses because they're using it as an IR sensor: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-60439-y#Sec2
2020-03-06T15:50:25 < BrainDamage> sort of, the inventor's name was pyke
2020-03-06T15:50:34 < BrainDamage> and it's a composite as well
2020-03-06T15:50:36 < dongs> I thought it was some retarded python module honestly
2020-03-06T15:57:19 < Thorn> is there something standard or semi-standard similar to: uint32_t x; uint8_t bytes[]{byte<3>(x), byte<2>(x), byte<1>(x), byte<0>(x)}; ?
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2020-03-06T16:07:14 < Ultrasauce> a union??
2020-03-06T16:08:08 < Laurenceb> forest fires burning my masculinity
2020-03-06T16:09:24 < aandrew> BrainDamage: wow TIL, thank you for that
2020-03-06T16:09:35 < aandrew> and yes I guess I did create a form of that using paper pulp instead of wood chisp
2020-03-06T16:09:45 < Laurenceb> oh wow its real
2020-03-06T16:09:47 < Laurenceb> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281378132_Women's_experience_of_violence_in_the_aftermath_of_the_Black_Saturday_bushfires
2020-03-06T16:14:06 < upgrdman> anyone know of an easy container format for mjpeg video? no audio or anything special. i just want to shit the jpegs to disk and hopefully play they back with correct timing
2020-03-06T16:14:49 < dongs> mjpeg is literally just concatenated jmpegs
2020-03-06T16:14:51 < dongs> jpegs
2020-03-06T16:16:27 < aandrew> yeah I was going to say that is literally mjpeg
2020-03-06T16:16:28 < Laurenceb> yah its what we used for balloons
2020-03-06T16:16:38 < aandrew> when I did that 4k webcam the camera chip was emitting a stream of JPEGs
2020-03-06T16:16:47 < Laurenceb> before we got b& from aprs
2020-03-06T16:17:01 < aandrew> what is b&
2020-03-06T16:17:05 < Laurenceb> banned
2020-03-06T16:17:31 < Laurenceb> using all the bandwidth for sending mjpeg livestreams
2020-03-06T16:17:36 < aandrew> ah, I was saying "bamphersand" and it wasn't fitting
2020-03-06T16:17:43 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-06T16:18:30 < upgrdman> dongs, aandrew, yes but what about timing? an mjpeg stream implicitly sets the FPS based on when the frames are delivered to the PC. but if a file is just a shitload of concat'd jpegs... how do you specify the fps (assuming it's even a constant fps, which it might not be)
2020-03-06T16:18:32 < Laurenceb> iirc its "easy" to compile libjpeg on stm32
2020-03-06T16:18:47 < dongs> upgrdman: ffmpeg -i some.mkv -acodec none -vcodec mjpeg -f mjpeg out.mjpeg and then you can hexedit it and see
2020-03-06T16:18:51 < Laurenceb> im guessing somewhere in the header...
2020-03-06T16:18:57 < dongs> its gonna be just a bunch of JFIF <shit> JFIF <shit> all over
2020-03-06T16:19:01 < Laurenceb> yeah
2020-03-06T16:19:01 < dongs> upgrdman: no timing
2020-03-06T16:19:09 < dongs> YOU decide how to time it
2020-03-06T16:19:21 < upgrdman> hmm ok
2020-03-06T16:19:35 < aandrew> exactly - if it's not in a header or oob data you can control then you need to add that
2020-03-06T16:20:22 < karlp> mjpeg == massive files :)
2020-03-06T16:20:48 < upgrdman> karlp, yes i know :) but the ease of random access and good-enough-for-me makes me put up with it for now
2020-03-06T16:21:26 < dongs> maybe you can use RFC2435
2020-03-06T16:21:30 < dongs> pack it as rtp
2020-03-06T16:21:32 < dongs> that has header timestamp
2020-03-06T16:21:38 < dongs> then you can use that for variable frame rates
2020-03-06T16:22:04 < dongs> or just pick some non-insane format
2020-03-06T16:22:07 < dongs> like mkv or someshit
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2020-03-06T16:23:34 < upgrdman> ya im just looking for the easiest standard i can implement. i was gonna be last and just dump <timestamp><jpeg><timestamp><jpeg>... but figure there might be a simple file format i can emulate so it's playable outside of my software. ill check the rfc2435
2020-03-06T16:23:42 < aandrew> I prefer my videos in ZOMGFAST
2020-03-06T16:23:43 < upgrdman> s/last/lazy
2020-03-06T16:23:57 < dongs> i dont know if anything plays mjpeg out of the box
2020-03-06T16:23:59 < englishman> you can use the windows file system as a container and put a bunch of jpegs in a folder with timing metadata
2020-03-06T16:24:07 < aandrew> upgrdman: if I may make a suggestion: embed the timestamp in the JFIF file itself
2020-03-06T16:24:17 < aandrew> that way anything can play it and won't trip over an unexpected <timestamp>
2020-03-06T16:24:24 < upgrdman> yes exactly
2020-03-06T16:24:33 < upgrdman> is jfif the header?
2020-03-06T16:24:56 < aandrew> what I'm saying is <jpeg><timestamp/></jpeg>, not <timestamp/><jpeg/>
2020-03-06T16:25:19 < aandrew> there are all kinds of tags you can add to jpeg files and all jpeg viewers ignore tags they don't understand
2020-03-06T16:25:44 < aandrew> there's a name ofr these tags too, I can't remmeber offhand and can't be arsed to look up the name
2020-03-06T16:25:51 < aandrew> but you know what I mean when I say tag so it's good
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2020-03-06T16:30:07 < upgrdman> ya
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2020-03-06T17:09:17 < Mangy_Dog> gah why i cant i auto join this chan any more D:
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2020-03-06T17:12:42 < Steffanx> Is #stm32 broken again?
2020-03-06T17:16:06 < Mangy_Dog> i dunnop
2020-03-06T17:16:24 < Mangy_Dog> just noticed it wasnt in my mirc list of chans and had to manuall ## join it
2020-03-06T17:16:28 < Mangy_Dog> manually
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2020-03-06T17:17:14 < Mangy_Dog> also anyone know who owns the programming channel? _W_ has been getting power hungry again and q+ me and put me on ignore so i cant even ask why
2020-03-06T17:20:06 < dongs> what programming channel
2020-03-06T17:20:16 < dongs> #stm32programming?
2020-03-06T17:20:16 < Mangy_Dog> #programming
2020-03-06T17:20:17 < Mangy_Dog> :p
2020-03-06T17:20:20 < dongs> oh
2020-03-06T17:20:22 < dongs> prolly some cunt
2020-03-06T17:20:33 < Mangy_Dog> im trying to be diplomatic about it
2020-03-06T17:20:34 < Mangy_Dog> :p
2020-03-06T17:20:34 < dongs> damn wtf
2020-03-06T17:20:38 < dongs> a mouser order i places like last week
2020-03-06T17:20:42 < dongs> half the parts are out of stock now
2020-03-06T17:20:48 < dongs> trying to reorder
2020-03-06T17:20:52 < dongs> china shutdown is real
2020-03-06T17:21:27 < Mangy_Dog> oh indeed
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2020-03-06T17:21:36 < Mangy_Dog> im still waiting for stuff to be shipped that i ordered in january :/
2020-03-06T17:24:14 < jadew> dongs, there's speculation that china is still not back online to the degree they claim they are
2020-03-06T17:24:35 < PaulFertser> Less than two weeks https://t.17track.net/en#nums=RV344234254CN
2020-03-06T17:24:48 < jadew> the rumor is that some factories are running empty, just wasting electricity so it looks like they're functioning
2020-03-06T17:24:54 < Cracki> upgrdman, maybe look into avi if that isn't too old, or mkv. mpeg transport streams are nice and robust too, don't need/have any index tables
2020-03-06T17:25:05 < dongs> jadew: sure, im aware
2020-03-06T17:26:16 < Cracki> normal video formats have tables for instant seeking, which is what you want though... but you have to write those, either while you write the data (into a fixed size meta section with space reserved...) or afterwards, and if you crash you're sitting there with no usable info, which is a common problem for writing mp4 on the fly
2020-03-06T17:26:17 < dongs> ts is pretty simple indeed but it does have tables
2020-03-06T17:26:23 < dongs> and to put video there you need to encapsulate it into PES
2020-03-06T17:26:28 < dongs> and PES has PTS/DTS timestamps
2020-03-06T17:26:34 < dongs> it is not as ssimple as concatenating jpegs
2020-03-06T17:26:38 < Cracki> true
2020-03-06T17:26:59 < dongs> and to actuall make it playable you need pat/pmt describing the services/PES pids.
2020-03-06T17:27:21 < dongs> and then nothing actually supports mjpeg in ts container
2020-03-06T17:27:23 < Cracki> I'm wary of "mjpeg" because last time I looked into it, "documentation" said there's no clear standard
2020-03-06T17:27:25 < dongs> so the player will be ???
2020-03-06T17:28:57 < aandrew> vlc ofc
2020-03-06T17:29:18 < dongs> https://git.videolan.org/?p=vlc.git;a=blob;f=modules/demux/mjpeg.c
2020-03-06T17:29:19 < Cracki> so the better choices are avi, quicktime/mp4, rtp stream, or mkv. wikipedia claims those have definitions for mjpeg
2020-03-06T17:29:19 < dongs> well i guess so
2020-03-06T17:31:32 < englishman> when using stm32 hardware slave NSS what's the time from when NSS goes high to MISO goes high impedance, I don't see it in datasheet
2020-03-06T17:32:01 < Cracki> I'm guessing he uses java, so I'd probably look for a java module that supports writing video/mjpeg
2020-03-06T17:32:13 < aandrew> ok I got a C++ question
2020-03-06T17:32:43 < englishman> Data output disable time 24 ns
2020-03-06T17:32:44 < englishman> ah
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2020-03-06T17:34:07 < aandrew> what the blue fuck is someshit::somefoo() : bar_(nullptr), baz_(thebaz::getstate()) { // actual code here }
2020-03-06T17:34:23 < aandrew> is that some freaky C++ constructor shit
2020-03-06T17:34:25 < dongs> static ctor?
2020-03-06T17:34:26 < dongs> yeah
2020-03-06T17:34:32 < dongs> initializing stuff in ctor
2020-03-06T17:35:25 < Cracki> supposedly equivalent to someshit::somefoo() { bar_ = nullptr; baz_ = thebaz::getstate(); ... }
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2020-03-06T17:35:32 < dongs> also if you have shit like someshit::someshit(int foo, int bar) : m_foo(foo), baz(bar) ) { // nigger } or someshint
2020-03-06T17:35:35 < dongs> yeah
2020-03-06T17:35:44 < aandrew> balls
2020-03-06T17:35:51 < aandrew> why can't they just write C like normal people
2020-03-06T17:35:52 < dongs> but the : part runs first or something
2020-03-06T17:35:53 < Cracki> it can see and use arguments
2020-03-06T17:36:02 < dongs> im sure thorn knowsn the real details
2020-03-06T17:36:19 < Cracki> there's probably some semantics that make this necessary... or not
2020-03-06T17:36:53 < Cracki> the law https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/initializer_list
2020-03-06T17:37:03 < dongs> https://www.learncpp.com/cpp-tutorial/8-5a-constructor-member-initializer-lists/
2020-03-06T17:37:04 < dongs> ya
2020-03-06T17:38:53 < Thorn> aandrew https://stackoverflow.com/questions/926752/why-should-i-prefer-to-use-member-initialization-list
2020-03-06T17:42:30 < englishman> wait stm32 SPI slave doesn't set miso to high impedance when NSS is high?
2020-03-06T17:43:02 < Laurenceb> >Hegemonic masculinity in many rural landscapes has arguably been challenged by forest fires
2020-03-06T17:43:06 < veverak> aandrew: to put it simply, someshit() : bar_(nullptr) <-- executed when someshit() is created. someshit(){ bar_ == nullptr} <-- executed directly after someshit creation
2020-03-06T17:43:12 < Laurenceb> this is the gift that keeps on giving
2020-03-06T17:43:14 < veverak> some shits do not have sane default creation state
2020-03-06T17:43:19 < veverak> hence this mechanism
2020-03-06T17:43:25 < aandrew> veverak: yeah I understand now. THanks guys :-)
2020-03-06T17:43:34 < aandrew> I think you're gonna hear a fair amount of C++ ranting here
2020-03-06T17:43:40 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb are you a MGTOW?
2020-03-06T17:43:44 < aandrew> may even rival dongs ranting of OSS and GCC in particular
2020-03-06T17:43:44 < veverak> keep it throwing at me if you want
2020-03-06T17:43:55 < veverak> but I do not procrastinate on IRC 24/7 lately
2020-03-06T17:43:58 < Laurenceb> tomeaton17: I'm just watching bbc news
2020-03-06T17:44:06 < Laurenceb> >wtf I'm MGTOW now
2020-03-06T17:44:25 < Thorn> Laurenceb has a PhD in involuntary celibacy
2020-03-06T17:44:28 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-06T17:44:30 < Laurenceb> https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=6MezPZUAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=sra
2020-03-06T17:44:45 < Laurenceb> they keep having this woman on bbc each time they talk about bushfires
2020-03-06T17:44:49 < Laurenceb> my sides are orbital
2020-03-06T17:45:09 < tomeaton17> looks like a moderator for r/gendercritical
2020-03-06T17:45:18 < Laurenceb> >gender and wildfire
2020-03-06T17:45:24 < englishman> As MISO pins of the slaves are connected together, all slaves must have the GPIO configuration of their MISO pin set as alternate function open drain
2020-03-06T17:45:30 < aandrew> englishman: no I don't believe it does
2020-03-06T17:45:35 < aandrew> that is not actually part of the SPI spec
2020-03-06T17:45:36 < englishman> wtf
2020-03-06T17:46:00 < Laurenceb> wait so you need to add pullups to MISO line?
2020-03-06T17:46:06 < Laurenceb> weird
2020-03-06T17:46:07 < englishman> so what does STm32 NSS pin even do
2020-03-06T17:46:19 < aandrew> englishman: you can use EXTI to trigger an interrupt to do it for you...
2020-03-06T17:46:29 < englishman> yeah that's what is going to happen
2020-03-06T17:46:35 < Cracki> Laurenceb, her bush is on fire?
2020-03-06T17:46:52 < Laurenceb> >mindfullness practice
2020-03-06T17:47:01 < Laurenceb> oh wow this just gets funnier
2020-03-06T17:47:11 < aandrew> you've got a Ph.D in incel studies? Sadly I only got my masters in baiting
2020-03-06T17:47:43 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-06T17:48:14 < Laurenceb> >1025 citations
2020-03-06T17:48:24 < Laurenceb> wtf I'm in the wrong line of "research"
2020-03-06T17:48:45 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb: are you striking
2020-03-06T17:48:56 < Laurenceb> nah I quit my jerb
2020-03-06T17:49:06 < tomeaton17> oh
2020-03-06T17:49:09 < englishman> no you got fired
2020-03-06T17:49:12 < Laurenceb> aiui the other guys are on strike, not that it makes any difference
2020-03-06T17:49:19 < Laurenceb> lol englishman
2020-03-06T17:49:50 < tomeaton17> my course isn't really affected by it but the humanities students are getting fucked by it
2020-03-06T17:50:05 < Laurenceb> tomeaton17: glad I'm out of that place tbh
2020-03-06T17:51:26 < englishman> in this flash chip it states explicitly that miso goes high impedance when cs is high
2020-03-06T17:51:50 < englishman> so wtf does stm32 NSS do
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2020-03-06T17:53:34 < Laurenceb> babbyshake was a waste of time 
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2020-03-06T17:58:52 < Steffanx> Was it?
2020-03-06T17:59:51 < Steffanx> Wasnt crappifily a was of time as well Laurenceb  ?
2020-03-06T17:59:58 < Steffanx> Waste*
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2020-03-06T18:36:48 < aandrew> englishman: some devices do, most don't. you can't rely on that
2020-03-06T18:37:13 < englishman> gay
2020-03-06T18:37:14 < aandrew> and some pin-compatible flash chips from different mfg or different capacities may in fact have different MISO operation
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2020-03-06T19:35:19 < Cracki> open drain with pullup would limit such spi to speeds comparable to i2c. sounds silly.
2020-03-06T19:35:51 < Cracki> maybe "open drain" for idling is its version of hi-z, and functionally equivalent. does it pushpull when active?
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2020-03-06T19:37:14 < mawk> Cracki: P = X⁴ - 26X³ + 236X² - 886X + 1155 has integer roots, what are they ?
2020-03-06T19:37:20 < mawk> wolfram alpha is forbidden
2020-03-06T19:37:23 < mawk> you cheater
2020-03-06T19:37:34 < Cracki> uhhhhh you asked me something like this before, and there's always a trick
2020-03-06T19:37:52 < mawk> lol
2020-03-06T19:37:57 < mawk> the trick is easy here
2020-03-06T19:38:30 < Cracki> what job in the world needs this more than once a month
2020-03-06T19:38:31 < Cracki> :P
2020-03-06T19:38:38 < mawk> :(
2020-03-06T19:38:45 < mawk> your brain needs to stay in shape
2020-03-06T19:39:44 < Cracki> my brain needs to go job hunting. boss just told me he hasn't had much sales recently :P
2020-03-06T19:39:56 < mawk> bad boss
2020-03-06T19:40:19 < Cracki> nah, best boss I ever had and I think he'll be up there for the foreseeable future
2020-03-06T19:40:19 < mawk> P = (X-r1)(X-r2)(X-r3)(X-r4) so obviously 1155 = r1·r2·r3·r4, and they're all integers
2020-03-06T19:40:28 < mawk> and since I'm such a nice guy I picked prime roots
2020-03-06T19:40:33 < mawk> so you just have to factor 1155
2020-03-06T19:40:37 < mawk> and you get all the roots
2020-03-06T19:40:42 < Cracki> does it help if one could see the factorization of any integer in your mind?
2020-03-06T19:40:52 < mawk> that's a trick to teach to highschoolers, math teachers always pick integer coefficients and integer roots
2020-03-06T19:41:20 < Cracki> easy to work with numbers are a convenience
2020-03-06T19:41:59 < mawk> well 1155 is 11 * 105, and 105 is divisible by 5, it's exactly 21 * 5
2020-03-06T19:42:03 < mawk> and 21 is 7 * 3
2020-03-06T19:42:08 < mawk> so you've got the factorization
2020-03-06T19:42:18 < Cracki> let me see that your claim of r1*...r4 == x^0 coefficient
2020-03-06T19:42:32 < mawk> expand (X-r1)(X-r2)(X-r3)(X-r4)
2020-03-06T19:42:36 < Cracki> yes
2020-03-06T19:42:45 < Cracki> hm yes
2020-03-06T19:42:52 < Cracki> I believe that.
2020-03-06T19:43:04 < Cracki> k 1155, lemme get the calculator
2020-03-06T19:43:13 < mawk> that makes X^4 - (r1 + r2 + r3 + r4)X^3 + (r1r2 + r1r3 + r1r4 + r2r3 + r3r4)X^2 - (r1r2r3 + r1r2r4 + r1r3r4 + r2r3r4)X + r1r2r3r4
2020-03-06T19:43:16 < Cracki> 5*231...
2020-03-06T19:43:28 < Cracki> 5*3*77, 5*3*11*7
2020-03-06T19:43:33 < mawk> yes
2020-03-06T19:43:39 < Cracki> I guess that's it
2020-03-06T19:43:40 < mawk> so here's all the roots
2020-03-06T19:43:42 < mawk> easy you see
2020-03-06T19:43:46 < Cracki> bllll
2020-03-06T19:45:07 < Cracki> when ppl look over my shoulder and urge me on, my mind is more on how to get them off my back than working the problem
2020-03-06T19:45:29 < mawk> lol
2020-03-06T19:46:01 < Cracki> strongest example was some years ago, we built a little door bell circuit that's leaky bucket and whatnot. circuit was done, but an... acquaintance kept backseat-driving my programming
2020-03-06T19:46:10 < mawk> this relation between roots and coefficients is called elementary symmetric functions
2020-03-06T19:46:13 < mawk> interesting stuff
2020-03-06T19:46:32 < Cracki> I'm like, fuck off you suck at programming, you shoot from the hip, you're arrogant and opinionated, let me think this through so it doesn't end as a pile of shit
2020-03-06T19:46:39 < mawk> lol
2020-03-06T19:46:43 < mawk> I did this in school too
2020-03-06T19:46:49 < Cracki> same
2020-03-06T19:46:50 < mawk> convinced people they were just bad so I could work alone
2020-03-06T19:47:08 < mawk> their laziness was stronger than their ego
2020-03-06T19:47:19 < Cracki> I tried really hard to let them solve the puzzle, it was a challenge :D
2020-03-06T19:47:31 < Cracki> oh that
2020-03-06T19:47:54 < Cracki> boddax, machinist helper for what
2020-03-06T19:48:17 < Cracki> my fear was that I'd ruin the fun of the puzzle for others, while having fun solving the puzzle myself
2020-03-06T19:48:39 < Cracki> I wish I had the means to turn metal. I have to 3d print parts in plastic and hope that's good enough
2020-03-06T19:48:54 < Cracki> (cost calculation too)
2020-03-06T19:49:42 < mawk> we had some 3D parts printed by a neighbor to support local economy and all that
2020-03-06T19:49:46 < mawk> the quality is very shitty
2020-03-06T19:49:55 < mawk> I don't know how much we paid for that, I hope not much
2020-03-06T19:51:20 < Cracki> I think I pay around 30 cents a cc/ml, sometimes more if they add "generous" support
2020-03-06T19:51:40 < Cracki> yes it's shit, especially when they print it on their dicked-with printers, which I always refuse
2020-03-06T19:52:19 < Cracki> dimensions can be off by 0.1mm or worse, but that can be compensated with iterating print,measure,adjust
2020-03-06T19:52:40 < Cracki> 3d prints from biodegradable materials, or metal for very custom fits
2020-03-06T19:53:13 < Cracki> or 3d printing in some collagen matrix, using needles to deposit drops of solution of this or that cell type
2020-03-06T19:54:01 < Cracki> someone skipped the 3d print part and "washed" a failed organ of everything but the connective tissue (looks like a ghost), then reinfused it with stem cells or sth, and the thing actually seemed to work
2020-03-06T19:55:11 < Cracki> mawk, I didn't actually say the "fuck off..." part, and I can't remember how I resolved the situation. I think I pushed it to some public git and let him have at it on his own
2020-03-06T19:55:56 < Cracki> the thing got replaced soon by someone who knew electronics better than I did, but I still got to do the firmware
2020-03-06T19:57:59 < mawk> yes the washing thing is cool
2020-03-06T19:58:04 < mawk> decellularization
2020-03-06T19:58:37 < Cracki> boddax, local cripple daycare may do metalwork for cheap? any jail/prison maybe?
2020-03-06T19:59:08 < Cracki> maybe some fablab/makerspace that bought some old rusty used equipment?
2020-03-06T19:59:08 < mawk> letting him play with the toy
2020-03-06T19:59:45 < catphish> is anyone here in china? if so, how's it actually going there?
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2020-03-06T20:13:13 < Steffanx> I only know of one user being from hong kong and he's not here atm catphish
2020-03-06T20:13:47 < Steffanx> or is he.
2020-03-06T20:14:32 < Steffanx> Oh, Sadale is here :P
2020-03-06T20:14:53 < englishman> yeah but he never leaves the house
2020-03-06T20:15:13 < Steffanx> Does anyone of us ever do that
2020-03-06T20:15:41 < BrainDamage> I'm about to go out and spread the plague
2020-03-06T20:15:59 < Steffanx> Did you give the dutch students some too BrainDamage?
2020-03-06T20:16:13 < BrainDamage> I might have to visit a foreign country for that, since the news seem to be suggesting that
2020-03-06T20:16:19 < Steffanx> They even made it into the nytimes: https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/05/world/europe/05reuters-health-coronavirus-netherlands.html
2020-03-06T20:18:17 < kakimir> they totally have corona
2020-03-06T20:18:24 < kakimir> there is no way the missed it
2020-03-06T20:18:28 < BrainDamage> 2k infected in a region with a 3-4M people means less than 0.5 per thousand risk to come in contact with someone infecteed
2020-03-06T20:18:49 < kakimir> reel that 2weeks forward
2020-03-06T20:18:52 < englishman> not if there are 3.5m carriers
2020-03-06T20:19:05 < englishman> that will all be dead in 2 weeks
2020-03-06T20:19:10 < BrainDamage> if there are 3.5M carriers then the disease is mostly harmless
2020-03-06T20:19:16 < kakimir> or slow
2020-03-06T20:19:19 < Steffanx> i already had covid-19
2020-03-06T20:19:20 < englishman> no it's just slow
2020-03-06T20:19:22 < englishman> fuck kakimir
2020-03-06T20:19:25 < englishman> fuck
2020-03-06T20:19:39 < Steffanx> LANGUAGE englishman
2020-03-06T20:19:58 < kakimir> steff: I took a propper sneeze of the emergency waffle box
2020-03-06T20:20:07 < Steffanx> Good good.
2020-03-06T20:20:22 < kakimir> bubble wrap smells like a perfume of sorts
2020-03-06T20:20:28 < Steffanx> wut?
2020-03-06T20:20:33 < englishman> make sure you have 2 years of waffels hoarded
2020-03-06T20:20:34 < BrainDamage> that's the anthrax
2020-03-06T20:20:57 < BrainDamage> or if it's almonds, it's just regular ol cyanide
2020-03-06T20:21:00 < kakimir> indeed.. or some cherry candy perfume idk.
2020-03-06T20:21:21 < englishman> someone gave me some firni today
2020-03-06T20:21:26 < englishman> fucking good
2020-03-06T20:21:32 < Steffanx> I can only imagine it smells baddish because the roll with 100m of bubble wrap was on the attic
2020-03-06T20:21:40 < Steffanx> and had been there for a while
2020-03-06T20:21:45 < kakimir> your attics smells good
2020-03-06T20:21:58 < BrainDamage> or maybe the posts started spraying disinfectant
2020-03-06T20:22:04 < Steffanx> i bet jly peed on it.
2020-03-06T20:22:18 < BrainDamage> then it'd smell of cat piss
2020-03-06T20:22:34 < Steffanx> yeah the awful smell
2020-03-06T20:24:34 < Steffanx> Did you share some waffle with the seniors yet, kakimir?
2020-03-06T20:25:06 < kakimir> no I'm a taster
2020-03-06T20:25:11 < Steffanx> Time to bring them a cup of tea with a waffle
2020-03-06T20:25:17 < Steffanx> or coffee
2020-03-06T20:25:19 < kakimir> give it a week or two
2020-03-06T20:28:54 < kakimir> are you asking if I'm interested?
2020-03-06T20:29:36 < kakimir> what is it?
2020-03-06T20:32:04 < Steffanx> He's not too busy. 
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2020-03-06T20:33:09 < Steffanx> I know things.
2020-03-06T20:33:28 < kakimir> so basically very similar thing that I'm doing boddax.. but sensible technical approach
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2020-03-06T20:34:05 < kakimir> nand emulator
2020-03-06T20:34:11 < kakimir> parallel
2020-03-06T20:34:27 < kakimir> with discrete logics
2020-03-06T20:34:48 < kakimir> and parallel sram as page mem / lookup table
2020-03-06T20:35:19 < kakimir> do you have the schematic boddax?
2020-03-06T20:36:01 < kakimir> why are you doing a logic analyzer?
2020-03-06T20:36:25 < kakimir> isb as in?
2020-03-06T20:36:57 < kakimir> what is the original projecty?
2020-03-06T20:38:22 < kakimir> why mod?
2020-03-06T20:38:54 < kakimir> replace it with? stm32?
2020-03-06T20:39:18 < boddax> has* 
2020-03-06T20:39:37 < kakimir> shieet I don't have parallel port
2020-03-06T20:39:53 < boddax> yhats why make it usb
2020-03-06T20:39:54 < kakimir> just a notion
2020-03-06T20:40:09 < boddax> you have usb ports?
2020-03-06T20:40:40 < boddax> because if havent parallel and usb thats a C64
2020-03-06T20:41:12 < kakimir> I have
2020-03-06T20:41:38 < aandrew> has anyone ever used ToF sensors (like ST's flightsense) with a rotating mirror assembly to more closely emulate a lidar?
2020-03-06T20:41:43 < aandrew> just cheap hobbyiest type stuff
2020-03-06T20:41:47 < kakimir> what makes minila so special it needs to be modernized to usb boddax?
2020-03-06T20:42:09 < boddax> very useful to debug any protocol
2020-03-06T20:42:31 < kakimir> isn't that the job of sigrok
2020-03-06T20:42:33 < boddax> minila cheaper and powerful
2020-03-06T20:43:04 < boddax> cpld 7..8 euro
2020-03-06T20:43:31 < boddax> board cost around 50 euro included pcb
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2020-03-06T20:43:46 < kakimir> what performance you need?
2020-03-06T20:44:18 < kakimir> did you say 128kb? per second?
2020-03-06T20:44:49 < boddax> atleast 50Mhz at 128k samples is enough
2020-03-06T20:45:19 < kakimir> yes sample count
2020-03-06T20:45:32 < kakimir> sigrok says 100mhz
2020-03-06T20:45:46 < boddax> depends what you connect
2020-03-06T20:45:56 < boddax> sigrok is just a soft
2020-03-06T20:46:07 < boddax> supports mant generic boards
2020-03-06T20:46:12 < boddax> many*
2020-03-06T20:46:19 < kakimir> external sram is not the best approach
2020-03-06T20:46:55 < boddax> cpld very cheaper 
2020-03-06T20:47:04 < kakimir> ye
2020-03-06T20:47:06 < boddax> you want play with fpga
2020-03-06T20:47:09 < antto> qyx corizzle vizzle
2020-03-06T20:47:09 < boddax> ?
2020-03-06T20:47:17 < kakimir> no
2020-03-06T20:47:38 < kakimir> how do you connect it to usb then boddax?
2020-03-06T20:47:52 < kakimir> what is the interface between cpld and usb?
2020-03-06T20:48:06 < boddax> there is alredy par to usb converter
2020-03-06T20:48:20 < kakimir> ah
2020-03-06T20:48:27 < kakimir> par over usb
2020-03-06T20:48:32 < boddax> ftdi 2232d
2020-03-06T20:48:34 < kakimir> have you tried it with it'?
2020-03-06T20:48:39 < boddax> none
2020-03-06T20:48:44 < boddax> it works
2020-03-06T20:49:06 < kakimir> sounds useful
2020-03-06T20:49:18 < kakimir> component count?
2020-03-06T20:49:25 < boddax> 93lc56 eep to save setting
2020-03-06T20:49:44 < boddax> https://www.radiolocman.com/shem/schematics.html?di=133194
2020-03-06T20:50:15 < kakimir> literally almost 0
2020-03-06T20:50:22 < boddax> here two boards separated i want renove the par and make one board
2020-03-06T20:50:36 < boddax> few compos
2020-03-06T20:51:32 < boddax> https://sigrok.org/wiki/MiniLA
2020-03-06T20:52:17 < kakimir> man that's old
2020-03-06T20:52:51 < boddax> lol what mean old ..if it works
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2020-03-06T20:55:25 < Cracki> aandrew, no but sounds fun
2020-03-06T20:55:57 < Cracki> motor on bottom, sensor on top facing down, eh?
2020-03-06T20:56:09 < aandrew> something like that
2020-03-06T20:56:28 < Cracki> dc motor with optical 96-line encoder is cheap off aliex
2020-03-06T20:56:29 < aandrew> it's i2c only which is shit but for make:r it would be cheap and enough
2020-03-06T20:56:36 < Cracki> some 3d printed fuckery, glued on mirror, done
2020-03-06T20:56:57 < aandrew> I was thinking hexagonal or octagonal mirror with dc motor and index pulse
2020-03-06T20:57:16 < Cracki> synchronizing (or merging) rotation and sampling may not be trivial but not a challenge either
2020-03-06T20:57:22 < aandrew> speed control the motor so you more or less have in-sync measurements with the sensor in continuous mode
2020-03-06T20:57:25 < Cracki> oh like in a laser printer
2020-03-06T20:57:28 < aandrew> yes
2020-03-06T20:57:31 < Cracki> that'd give you a sector, not 360
2020-03-06T20:57:35 < aandrew> yep
2020-03-06T20:57:38 < Cracki> you want a sector? better res eh
2020-03-06T20:57:44 < aandrew> possibly, but not sure
2020-03-06T20:57:47 < aandrew> have to dick with it
2020-03-06T20:58:40 < Cracki> you know, that sounds like a fun little project
2020-03-06T20:59:20 < Cracki> I already have two motors (with 2.3mm(!) shaft and 96 line encoder) coming, and a simple widget that turns 2.3mm shaft into 12mm hex (for wheels) scheduled to print
2020-03-06T20:59:40 < kakimir> boddax: that cpld is 20eur
2020-03-06T20:59:42 < Cracki> biggest challenge would be finding mirrors of suitable size :>
2020-03-06T21:01:08 < Cracki> it'd be position control, rotor position target = sensor sample number % something (edges on encoder disc perhaps)
2020-03-06T21:01:09 < boddax> maybe ..i have some here for free
2020-03-06T21:01:38 < Cracki> i guess spinning slower would be feasible too
2020-03-06T21:01:56 < Cracki> if it's just speed control, you'd need phase (rotor position) anyway
2020-03-06T21:02:01 < aandrew> yep something like that. 
2020-03-06T21:02:25 < aandrew> depends on how the sensor acts and how repeatable it is, otherwise you're doing single measurements at a time
2020-03-06T21:02:29 < aandrew> which would slow you down a lot
2020-03-06T21:02:53 < boddax> got 5 pieces kakimir
2020-03-06T21:02:55 < Cracki> do these things use laser? or just a narrow cone led pulse?
2020-03-06T21:03:00 < aandrew> laser yes
2020-03-06T21:03:09 < Cracki> I'm sure their aperture has some relaxed angle
2020-03-06T21:04:05 < Cracki> vl53l1x can do 50 hz, lol
2020-03-06T21:04:26 < Cracki> i guess the usual lidar uses triangulation?
2020-03-06T21:04:33 < Cracki> or costs a bunch more
2020-03-06T21:04:45 < aandrew> lidar is *much* more expensive
2020-03-06T21:04:53 < aandrew> now I'm comparing to safety rated but those fuckers are like $6k
2020-03-06T21:06:35 < Cracki> those "slow" tof sensors sample multiple times, with varying frequency, to disambiguate phase (because they measure phase)
2020-03-06T21:07:03 < Cracki> "real" tof would react to when photons arrive, wouldn't it
2020-03-06T21:09:52 < Cracki> those laser "tape" measures modulate their laser output at >>MHz for the purpose
2020-03-06T21:12:38 < Cracki> huh, its sampling rate is related to a "timing budget", wonder what the point of that is
2020-03-06T21:12:43 < Cracki> 20-1000 ms
2020-03-06T21:17:42 < Cracki> 60 hz, but the block diagram reveals that it's doing histograms... so it must be sampling a lot rather than having an optical filter https://ams.com/tmf8701
2020-03-06T21:19:21 < Cracki> 4 khz http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/opt3101.pdf
2020-03-06T21:37:37 < kakimir> Steffanx: stop making me fat again *omnoms*
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2020-03-06T22:01:39 < Steffanx> i told you to share with the seniors kakimir
2020-03-06T22:01:58 < kakimir> there is nothing to share
2020-03-06T22:02:03 < kakimir> soon at least
2020-03-06T22:03:12 < Steffanx> Why not?
2020-03-06T22:03:16 < Steffanx> Seniors not home?
2020-03-06T22:03:44 < kakimir> it's not coffee time
2020-03-06T22:03:57 < kakimir> and I'm eating all waffles
2020-03-06T22:04:28 < Steffanx> lol 36 waffles in 2 days?
2020-03-06T22:05:47 < Steffanx> must be a record
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2020-03-06T22:14:51 < mawk> waffels*
2020-03-06T22:20:49 < Thorn> T - 11 h 30 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MkcWK2PnsU
2020-03-06T22:22:21 < Steffanx> wafels even mawk
2020-03-06T22:24:09 < mawk> waffffels
2020-03-06T22:26:42 < kakimir> usb3.0 + fpga
2020-03-06T22:27:04 < zyp> sup
2020-03-06T22:27:10 < kakimir> I bet there is no free usb3.0 controller cores for fpga
2020-03-06T22:27:52 < kakimir> that is like the reason why you throw fx3, fdi600 etc. there right?
2020-03-06T22:29:00 < zyp> there's this thing, but it looks like a work in progress still: https://github.com/enjoy-digital/usb3_pipe
2020-03-06T22:29:43 < zyp> or rather this thing: https://github.com/enjoy-digital/daisho
2020-03-06T22:32:46 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/gallery/1ijbp86
2020-03-06T22:32:49 < kakimir> so what I really want is ECP5 board
2020-03-06T22:33:00 < kakimir> with TUSB1310A
2020-03-06T22:33:07 < kakimir> and soft my way
2020-03-06T22:33:17 < zyp> what are you doing now? still nand emu?
2020-03-06T22:33:24 < kakimir> yes
2020-03-06T22:33:28 < Steffanx> heh cool aandrew
2020-03-06T22:33:49 < zyp> what happened to doing it with discretes?
2020-03-06T22:33:55 < zyp> also why usb3?
2020-03-06T22:34:08 < kakimir> latency, transfer speed
2020-03-06T22:35:15 < zyp> does usb3 have good latency?
2020-03-06T22:35:52 < catphish> depends on the speed
2020-03-06T22:35:58 < zyp> my impression is that the faster an interface is, the more queueing it requires
2020-03-06T22:36:16 < catphish> on the contrary, faster interface = more frequent polling
2020-03-06T22:37:05 < catphish> i forget the exact numbers
2020-03-06T22:38:24 < kakimir> usb3.0 doesn't need polling
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2020-03-06T22:39:14 < kakimir> https://stackoverflow.com/a/26918988
2020-03-06T22:39:18 < zyp> I'm not familiar enough with usb3 to say
2020-03-06T22:39:19 < kakimir> 30us roundtrip
2020-03-06T22:39:33 < kakimir> compare that to 125us minimum of usb2.0
2020-03-06T22:39:59 < zyp> there's no 125us minimum
2020-03-06T22:40:21 < catphish> you can poll whenever you like afaik
2020-03-06T22:41:22 < catphish> depends on the endpoint type too
2020-03-06T22:42:06 < kakimir> I know nothing about usb3.0
2020-03-06T22:42:16 < zyp> latency through the host stack probably makes bus latency a moot point though
2020-03-06T22:42:28 < kakimir> but what better way to learn more than opensource ip core and fpga I have never used
2020-03-06T22:42:42 < zyp> what happened to doing it with discretes?
2020-03-06T22:43:38 < kakimir> I draw the schematic
2020-03-06T22:43:46 < kakimir> now I know how it should work
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2020-03-06T22:44:26 < kakimir> but it's just horrible
2020-03-06T22:44:49 < kakimir> modern fpga + usb3.0 is the way to go
2020-03-06T22:44:55 < kakimir> usb3.0 phy
2020-03-06T22:45:04 < Steffanx> lol kakimir
2020-03-06T22:45:06 < Steffanx> Good morning
2020-03-06T22:45:20 < antto> wut can that thing do?
2020-03-06T22:45:28 < Steffanx> emulate.
2020-03-06T22:45:37 < antto> emulate.. wot?
2020-03-06T22:45:47 < Steffanx> nand
2020-03-06T22:45:50 < kakimir> I mean if nothing else that thing can be used as 300Mhz logic analyzer
2020-03-06T22:46:03 < kakimir> usb-streamer type
2020-03-06T22:46:18 < Steffanx> or it can end up in the box with unused goodies
2020-03-06T22:46:35 < kakimir> or should I actually make it use gigabit ethernet
2020-03-06T22:46:44 < antto> in theory it could do anything.. in theory i could also become rich
2020-03-06T22:46:49 < kakimir> sauna>
2020-03-06T22:46:53 < zyp> kakimir, what is it communicating with anyway?
2020-03-06T22:46:54 < Steffanx> Gigabit is old. Go 10G At least.
2020-03-06T22:46:57 < catphish> i'm looking forward to azonenberg's 10gigabit ethernet test equipment :)
2020-03-06T22:47:02 < kakimir> pages zyp
2020-03-06T22:47:49 < catphish> i won't be able to afford it, but open source, and awesome
2020-03-06T22:48:11 < zyp> catphish, what equipment?
2020-03-06T22:49:14 < catphish> just trying to find details, he's building oscilloscopes with 10gig ethernet feeds, and open source software
2020-03-06T22:50:00 < catphish> lots of stuff at https://twitter.com/azonenberg
2020-03-06T22:50:14 < catphish> he's also developing an open source 10G ethernet switch
2020-03-06T22:50:19 < catphish> nothing finished yet though
2020-03-06T22:50:46 < zyp> ah
2020-03-06T22:52:11 < catphish> stuff like https://twitter.com/azonenberg/status/1228208834193154051
2020-03-06T22:52:27 < catphish> i don't exactly know what hardware and what software is his
2020-03-06T22:53:13 < catphish> plus he's super nice :)
2020-03-06T22:53:23 < Steffanx> isnt everything by him?
2020-03-06T22:54:12 < catphish> i believe he's working on both hardware and sofware
2020-03-06T22:54:28 < catphish> but i don't know if all the demos are both
2020-03-06T22:54:39 < catphish> in any case, it's cool stuff
2020-03-06T22:55:00 < jadew> did you stock on toilet paper? https://www.ebay.com/itm/283805107350
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2020-03-06T22:56:14 < Steffanx> no the news paper added some extra pages to whipe my arse
2020-03-06T22:56:15 < Steffanx> wipe
2020-03-06T22:56:58 < jadew> yeah, I should get a subscription
2020-03-06T23:01:59 < Steffanx> I assume you read about this aussie news paper that did that?
2020-03-06T23:02:54 < kakimir> zyp: when do you make your fpga ddr board?
2020-03-06T23:02:58 < kakimir> with so-dimms
2020-03-06T23:03:31 < jadew> Steffanx, I did not, very thoughtful of them
2020-03-06T23:03:53 < Steffanx> its funny
2020-03-06T23:04:24 < jadew> should include instructions on how to crumple it
2020-03-06T23:05:44 < zyp> kakimir, depends how long my attention span lasts
2020-03-06T23:06:07 < kakimir> what fpga would you use?
2020-03-06T23:08:43 < kakimir> that type of board would be pretty great as an non-volatile mem emulator
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2020-03-06T23:10:22 < catphish> and here i am, trying to decide if i can justify buying a DS1054Z
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2020-03-06T23:11:23 < specing> catphish: get a 1104x-e
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2020-03-06T23:12:04 < catphish> specing: that device is in my browser history too, i recall someone telling me it was a better buy
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2020-03-06T23:12:49 < karlp> englishman: let me know if you get exti driven spi slave working, I struggled with it :|
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2020-03-06T23:13:46 < englishman> how so?
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2020-03-06T23:19:37 < karlp> aandrew: love that escher cogs thanks!
2020-03-06T23:20:40 < Thorn> someone in a telegram chat is riding an ambulance with lights & siren (St Petersburg)
2020-03-06T23:20:56 < Thorn> he fucked his Italian girlfriend, now both have respiratory symptoms
2020-03-06T23:21:17 < karlp> englishman: I could never get the spi peripheral enabled to start clocking properly using exti for CS, woudl always be an edge out, or lose sync.
2020-03-06T23:21:19 < karlp> gave up on it.
2020-03-06T23:21:23 < Thorn> don't agree to fuck Italians
2020-03-06T23:21:29 < karlp> next board will have nss wired for slave mode.
2020-03-06T23:21:30 < Thorn> ever
2020-03-06T23:22:49 < englishman> gay
2020-03-06T23:22:58 < Steffanx> Just specify the time between CS being asserted and the first clock edge being long enough karlp? :P
2020-03-06T23:27:26 < karlp> yeah, that would have owrked, but wasn't interesting.
2020-03-06T23:27:45 < karlp> I was trying to make some generically useable spi slave to be the test target for locm3 spi master side,
2020-03-06T23:28:02 < karlp> making just some spi slve that worked in a particular environment just wasn't useful to me.
2020-03-06T23:28:36 < karlp> englishman: I could never really see why it _shouldn't_ work though, so don't go past it just being, "karl sux, hahah"
2020-03-06T23:30:40 < Steffanx> Makes me wonder what exactly you did then, karlp
2020-03-06T23:30:55 < Steffanx> *what you did exactly
2020-03-06T23:30:57 < Steffanx> or wahtever english
2020-03-06T23:31:52 < doomba> so. jlcpcb stuff "arrived at destination airport" like 2 weeks ago
2020-03-06T23:32:05 < Steffanx> the standard 2 quarantine weeks
2020-03-06T23:32:18 < doomba> i'm beginning to think that murica has gone full retard over coronavirus
2020-03-06T23:34:08 < Steffanx> beginning.
2020-03-06T23:35:02 < karlp> eh https://github.com/karlp/libopencm3-tests/blob/slave-wip/tests/freertos-spi-slave/dut/dut-spi-slave.c 
2020-03-06T23:35:15 < karlp> lots of gross attempts and hacks at trying there, not really legible
2020-03-06T23:35:44 < karlp> was getting really tedious and unfun.
2020-03-06T23:35:55 < karlp> decided that the test hardware board shoudl just have nss wired up.
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2020-03-06T23:36:15 < karlp> (I verified that with wires on a disco board iirc)
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2020-03-07T00:00:28 < karlp> heehee "The program being debugged stopped while in a function called from GDB.
2020-03-07T00:01:26 < karlp> heh, ok. I'm dumdum today
2020-03-07T00:01:36 < jly> nah
2020-03-07T00:01:51 < karlp> grabbed this "l1" disco board to test some changes affecting low/medium vs high density parts,
2020-03-07T00:02:01 < jly> nice nice
2020-03-07T00:02:11 < karlp> old code only handled low/medium, ran the old code, saved the values, ran the new code...... didn't get the same values.
2020-03-07T00:02:16 < karlp> ok, what's wrong....
2020-03-07T00:02:29 < karlp> duh, this board is actually a high density, and has always been wrong :)
2020-03-07T00:02:52 < jly> at least you figured it out
2020-03-07T00:03:03 < karlp> yeah, but now i'm tired.
2020-03-07T00:03:06 < karlp> everything takes too long
2020-03-07T00:03:16 < jly> i just started drinking my 1st coffee
2020-03-07T00:03:33 < karlp> I want to rummage a bit further for a low density board here to verify this..
2020-03-07T00:11:43 < qyx> make some devicetree changes for me if you are tired of locm3
2020-03-07T00:12:43 < qyx> unrelated, I am accepting miniPCI-e wireless card donations
2020-03-07T00:13:45 < karlp> let me know how it all goes :)
2020-03-07T00:14:00 < qyx> what, donations?
2020-03-07T00:14:00 < karlp> I need to do some lte/nbiot/lte-m module picking shit sometime
2020-03-07T00:14:04 < qyx> oh
2020-03-07T00:14:07 < karlp> no, what works, what doens't
2020-03-07T00:14:37 < karlp> hoping there's a better path than "pay $20+ for quacktel/ublox and buy different shit for every region"
2020-03-07T00:15:08 < qyx> 20€ for quacktel is actually a very decent price
2020-03-07T00:16:07 < qyx> I am about to ask our telecom for few nb-iot uSIMs
2020-03-07T00:17:04 < qyx> uh or maybe not, friday is over
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2020-03-07T00:32:51 < PaulFertser> https://befinitiv.wordpress.com/2018/10/25/wireless-uart-with-nothing-but-a-microcontroller/ (stm32 generates modulated 27 MHz RF on its MCO)
2020-03-07T00:35:21 < catphish> qyx: try getting blind dunk for 2 days, then dealing with it on monday :)
2020-03-07T00:35:35 < catphish> that's how it works in my country anyway
2020-03-07T00:38:17 < qyx> PaulFertser: uart over cb?
2020-03-07T00:39:04 < PaulFertser> qyx: yeah
2020-03-07T00:55:35 < zyp> karlp, IME stm32 spi periph sucks for slave mode
2020-03-07T00:56:02 < zyp> that said, I don't have any better ones to compare it to
2020-03-07T00:58:13 < qyx> I could't make it working too
2020-03-07T00:58:27 < qyx> I did an EXTI workaround
2020-03-07T00:59:52 < jadew> BrainDamage, situation seems to get worse in Italy, what's the anxiety level like?
2020-03-07T01:01:16 < zyp> qyx, NSS works to maintain byte sync in the hardware, but it doesn't tell you when NSS gets asserted so you know when to reset the state machine to sync to command start
2020-03-07T01:02:03 < zyp> last time I used it I ended up just resetting the command state machine if the time between a new byte and previous byte was more than some threshold
2020-03-07T01:02:19 < BrainDamage> it's not worse, it's the samme exp coefficient
2020-03-07T01:02:25 < BrainDamage> -m
2020-03-07T01:02:49 < BrainDamage> and the street feel is the same, roads deserted and places empty
2020-03-07T01:03:23 < zyp> seems like most of the infected people in norway got infected in italy
2020-03-07T01:04:00 < qyx> we have an Italy import here too now
2020-03-07T01:04:26 < BrainDamage> I also feel like a decent degree of stats are biased
2020-03-07T01:04:31 < qyx> we are cancelling flights to/from .it
2020-03-07T01:04:43 < BrainDamage> because we're one of the few countries that do test extensively
2020-03-07T01:05:03 < jadew> I agree, I think at this point, there's a huge outbreak in every EU country
2020-03-07T01:05:37 < jadew> regardless of the reported numbers
2020-03-07T01:05:54 < jadew> BrainDamage, you said the streets are empty - is that normal, or it's because of the outbreak?
2020-03-07T01:06:03 < zyp> good thing norway is not part of EU then
2020-03-07T01:06:10 < jadew> hehe
2020-03-07T01:06:11 < qyx> lol
2020-03-07T01:06:15 < BrainDamage> because of the emergency laws
2020-03-07T01:06:35 < jadew> wait, I must have missed that
2020-03-07T01:06:53 < jadew> what changed?
2020-03-07T01:06:59 < jadew> people not going to work anymore?
2020-03-07T01:07:08 < BrainDamage> from last weeek ~nothing
2020-03-07T01:07:18 < BrainDamage> from 3 weeks ago, a lot
2020-03-07T01:07:28 < BrainDamage> people are taking this quite seriously
2020-03-07T01:08:47 < jadew> I was left under the impression that despite the situation there people were still chill about it
2020-03-07T01:09:11 < BrainDamage> the few that choose to go out are chill
2020-03-07T01:09:29 < BrainDamage> but the majority of population is still taking it seriously
2020-03-07T01:09:52 < BrainDamage> I am part of the people still going out
2020-03-07T01:10:21 < jadew> I went out today without a mask and now I'm coming down with a cold
2020-03-07T01:10:27 < jadew> I hope it's not this shit
2020-03-07T01:10:36 < zyp> rip
2020-03-07T01:10:44 < jadew> thanks
2020-03-07T01:10:52 < BrainDamage> I have a clogged nose 24/7
2020-03-07T01:10:54 < Cracki> quick, make more children
2020-03-07T01:11:13 < jadew> BrainDamage, usually me too, but now it's a runny nose
2020-03-07T01:11:20 < doomba> jadew: you'll be fine. we will split your estate up among all members of the channel.
2020-03-07T01:11:20 < jadew> btw, it's best to breath on your nose
2020-03-07T01:11:24 < jadew> as much as you can
2020-03-07T01:11:26 < BrainDamage> I did talk about a bit this evening to people in the tourist industry
2020-03-07T01:11:37 < doomba> jadew: Laurenceb gets all of your arduinos
2020-03-07T01:11:43 < BrainDamage> they said they had ~80% revenue loss
2020-03-07T01:11:46 < jadew> doomba, so he gets none
2020-03-07T01:11:51 < Cracki> ouch
2020-03-07T01:12:21 < jadew> BrainDamage, yeah, my wife forwarded me a message from someone on Italy, on facebook, urging people to still come on vacation to Italy because things are fine
2020-03-07T01:12:28 < zyp> I'm flying to japan on sunday, hope the border checkpoints are not crazy
2020-03-07T01:12:30 < jadew> *in
2020-03-07T01:12:45 < BrainDamage> jadew: statistically, things ARE fine
2020-03-07T01:13:13 < Cracki> this is the best time to take a vacation. reduce stress, reduce cortisol, strengthen immune system, and you have whole beaches to yourself
2020-03-07T01:13:15 < BrainDamage> 2k infected in a place with 4M people, you have more chance to be in a road accident
2020-03-07T01:13:18 < jadew> BrainDamage, would be interesting to know how many negative tests they have too
2020-03-07T01:13:35 < doomba> if you wanna get infected, come to murica and go to any walmart hand sanitizer aisle
2020-03-07T01:13:43 < jadew> Cracki, lol
2020-03-07T01:13:46 < zyp> Cracki, yeah, I wonder how the crowds in tokyo will be compared to normal
2020-03-07T01:13:48 < jadew> that's probably true
2020-03-07T01:14:16 < Cracki> waifu shopping, all those with sniffles are 90% off
2020-03-07T01:14:53 < BrainDamage> my mother is giving me live feed of infected in the city
2020-03-07T01:15:04 < BrainDamage> 6 infected in a city of 100k people
2020-03-07T01:15:08 < BrainDamage> yeah right
2020-03-07T01:15:40 < BrainDamage> my main source of stress is other people's psychosis
2020-03-07T01:15:48 < jadew> I think those of us who will still be alive after this, will have witnessed some very awful events
2020-03-07T01:16:03 < BrainDamage> that's psychosis too
2020-03-07T01:16:08 < BrainDamage> 2.5% death rate
2020-03-07T01:16:14 < jadew> that's a lot...
2020-03-07T01:16:16 < Cracki> I fucking hope so! I want some use out of this
2020-03-07T01:16:28 < BrainDamage> that's 2-3 deaths in this channel
2020-03-07T01:16:34 < jadew> exactly
2020-03-07T01:16:43 < Cracki> are there any 70 year olds in this channel?
2020-03-07T01:16:57 < BrainDamage> 2.5% is across the board
2020-03-07T01:17:01 < Cracki> nah
2020-03-07T01:17:13 < BrainDamage> if you weight age, then it lowers a lot
2020-03-07T01:17:17 < Cracki> even the chinese numbers say risk of death is 0.1% for people under 50
2020-03-07T01:17:26 < BrainDamage> 0.2, but yes
2020-03-07T01:17:52 < BrainDamage> I used the 2.5 since I don't have a reliable age map of the channel
2020-03-07T01:17:59 < Cracki> wait, "even the chinese numbers"... I shouldn't have said that :P
2020-03-07T01:18:13 < Cracki> a/s/l everyone?
2020-03-07T01:18:33 < jadew> I think some of the ham operators here are in the high risk category
2020-03-07T01:18:38 < BrainDamage> well, one of the "positive" things of the infection spreading, is that numbers aren't faked due to "honor" anymore
2020-03-07T01:18:55 < Cracki> the ham operators I've seen irl are certainly risk categories
2020-03-07T01:19:08 < BrainDamage> gallbladder networks
2020-03-07T01:19:31 < BrainDamage> they only talk about gallbladder stones/diseases
2020-03-07T01:19:47 < jadew> BrainDamage, but they're still faked due to test shortages I think
2020-03-07T01:19:54 < jadew> in here they only test with a good reason it seems
2020-03-07T01:20:12 < jadew> so you're not going to catch the guy who thinks he's absolutely fine
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2020-03-07T01:20:42 < BrainDamage> eeeh, with only 10% of the people requiring intensive care, most people will just catch a flu
2020-03-07T01:20:49 < jadew> we'll probably have a much more accurate death number tho
2020-03-07T01:21:09 < BrainDamage> sorry, not a flu but pneumonia
2020-03-07T01:21:16 < jadew> or both
2020-03-07T01:21:19 < BrainDamage> nasty, but surviveblle
2020-03-07T01:21:30 < jadew> it's still the flu season
2020-03-07T01:21:47 < BrainDamage> I have close parents vaccinated against flu
2020-03-07T01:22:01 < BrainDamage> they told me if they catch things, it's not the flu
2020-03-07T01:22:40 < zyp> I caught the flu some weeks ago
2020-03-07T01:22:53 < jadew> zyp, good timing
2020-03-07T01:23:04 < BrainDamage> last time I caught the flu, I was 12
2020-03-07T01:23:27 < zyp> BrainDamage, I seem to catch it every five years or so
2020-03-07T01:23:30 < BrainDamage> my whole family, mother, father, sisters and nephews are ridicolously strong against diseases
2020-03-07T01:24:00 < BrainDamage> I had a vacation to turkey, ate the same things as my friends, 4 of them got salmonella, I didn't
2020-03-07T01:24:19 < BrainDamage> ~1 day sick on the last 10 years
2020-03-07T01:24:36 < jadew> good genetics
2020-03-07T01:24:44 < Laurenceb> holy shit lolllll
2020-03-07T01:25:06 < Laurenceb> my mums boyfriend (inb4 cuck memes) works for the Sheik of Dubai
2020-03-07T01:25:15 < zyp> ok
2020-03-07T01:25:21 < qyx> Laurenceb: did you do IEPE?
2020-03-07T01:25:23 < Laurenceb> maybe he can get me a princess
2020-03-07T01:25:27 < qyx> or I rememner wrongly
2020-03-07T01:25:52 < Laurenceb> qyx: nah I just grabbed a memes accel and used usb
2020-03-07T01:26:12 < Laurenceb>  -  at his uk mansion
2020-03-07T01:26:48 < qyx> such make:r level
2020-03-07T01:27:37 < Laurenceb> yeah but muh app, it has to have a laptop and app
2020-03-07T01:27:43 < BrainDamage> meme accelerator
2020-03-07T01:29:40 < Laurenceb> apparently he works as an personal architect
2020-03-07T01:29:44 < Laurenceb> drama intensifies
2020-03-07T01:30:49 < Laurenceb> keeek he is in way over his head
2020-03-07T01:30:58 < Laurenceb> inb4 cia
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2020-03-07T01:33:43 < Laurenceb> lol I texted him and he is all liek "yeah its true, and he's a top guy"
2020-03-07T01:34:17 < Laurenceb> cult'ed
2020-03-07T01:41:50 < Laurenceb>  "Everyone is his friend when they see the Harem"
2020-03-07T01:43:43 < specing> you stay out of embassiss, laurencer
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2020-03-07T02:36:31 < kakimir> interesting informing policy here
2020-03-07T02:36:51 < kakimir> there is no followups of state of infected
2020-03-07T02:37:49 < kakimir> it has been decided
2020-03-07T02:38:17 < Cracki> cheapest flight to anywhere is milan. weather in milan says 16C tomorrow. sounds good, but not like vacation weather.
2020-03-07T02:39:06 < Cracki> i think this is when few people vacation anyway. they must be glad it's happening now instead of during better weather
2020-03-07T02:39:42 < BrainDamage> wait 1 month and the weather here will be fnatastic
2020-03-07T02:40:07 < BrainDamage> if the cancellation remain, you can enjoy a perfect weather and cheap cost
2020-03-07T02:40:23 < Cracki> hmmmm
2020-03-07T02:40:57 < BrainDamage> they said that school suspension will last at least until april
2020-03-07T02:41:03 < BrainDamage> so there's hope for you
2020-03-07T02:41:09 < Cracki> 90 minute flight. I could make that a day trip and not even need a hotel
2020-03-07T02:41:28 < BrainDamage> good destinations would be liguria
2020-03-07T02:41:52 < BrainDamage> or even better, calabria, but that's far from the infection zone
2020-03-07T02:41:58 < Cracki> I do wonder what kinda red tape I have to deal with for flights between germany and italy... usually and with zombie apocalypse ongoing
2020-03-07T02:42:14 < BrainDamage> usually ~0
2020-03-07T02:42:19 < Cracki> never had to worry about that myself. ah excellent.
2020-03-07T02:42:27 < Cracki> finally this EU superstate is good for something
2020-03-07T02:42:46 < BrainDamage> you enter the EU customs and just show your passport to a bored officer
2020-03-07T02:43:01 < BrainDamage> not sure now
2020-03-07T02:43:24 < Cracki> hmm passport, I guess that's something I have to get. I only have that card thing we call Personalausweis, which is _the_ ID we have.
2020-03-07T02:43:33 < BrainDamage> id card is sufficient within eu
2020-03-07T02:43:48 < Cracki> heh, my passport expired in 2011
2020-03-07T02:43:53 < BrainDamage> so that also works
2020-03-07T02:43:59 < Cracki> excellent
2020-03-07T02:44:44 < BrainDamage> the only thing they can be anal about, make sure to spell exactly your name, second name, etc on the ticker
2020-03-07T02:44:49 < BrainDamage> ticket*
2020-03-07T02:45:01 < BrainDamage> exactly as it's written on your id
2020-03-07T02:45:12 < BrainDamage> once you've done that, it's essentially no red tape
2020-03-07T02:45:15 < Cracki> I'm good at writing block letters
2020-03-07T02:45:24 < Cracki> and I have just two words in my name
2020-03-07T02:45:56 < BrainDamage> I had friends with a second name getting issues because they only wrote the first and their id listed both
2020-03-07T02:46:20 < BrainDamage> which is idiotic red tape, but that's what bureaucracy thrieves on
2020-03-07T02:46:46 < Cracki> thieves on
2020-03-07T02:47:13 < Cracki> guess one can be glad if it's only a mad clerk and not a fine
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2020-03-07T02:50:19 < Cracki> I'm used to "hopping borders" to BE and NL because that's like "wut, road has no center line marking anymore". didn't even consider that borders to CH/AT and IT would be the same
2020-03-07T02:50:25 < Cracki> ok, CH likely isn't
2020-03-07T02:50:46 < BrainDamage> I hop borders with eu countries easily
2020-03-07T02:50:54 < BrainDamage> but airplanes are "special"
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2020-03-07T02:51:05 < jadew> right, isn't that silly?
2020-03-07T02:51:16 < kakigate> movie recommds?
2020-03-07T02:51:27 < jadew> kakigate, I'm watching that netflix thing
2020-03-07T02:51:30 < BrainDamage> ex machina
2020-03-07T02:51:35 < jadew> spenser confidential
2020-03-07T02:51:35 < Cracki> I wodner if they'll arrest and buttprobe me if I carry a bottle of shampoo with me
2020-03-07T02:51:40 < kakigate> I have nothing to do at night now until I figure out how to start usb3.0 phy + fpga
2020-03-07T02:51:50 < Cracki> watching sonic movie rn, funny and kinda cute.
2020-03-07T02:52:07 < Cracki> you gotta see the before/after shots of what sonic was scheduled to look like, it's mangy
2020-03-07T02:52:21 < jadew> you know what I want to know?
2020-03-07T02:52:27 < Cracki> until you figure that out? you could start that now?
2020-03-07T02:52:28 < jadew> when will this ncov thing end
2020-03-07T02:52:58 < Cracki> if you can believe the chinese, it's about a month from being over for them.
2020-03-07T02:53:09 < jadew> I can't, I think it's BS
2020-03-07T02:53:27 < Cracki> arcgis shows hardly any growth for them, so all the infected just have to get better or die now
2020-03-07T02:53:35 < jadew> I guess I could just go to the hospital that's treating ncov patients and get it over with
2020-03-07T02:53:40 < Cracki> rest of the world is maybe 2-3 months behind, so same
2020-03-07T02:53:46 < Cracki> nah don't
2020-03-07T02:54:16 < Cracki> ex machina, I can recommend that too
2020-03-07T02:54:24 < jadew> having antibodies for this thing will be like a super power
2020-03-07T02:54:26 < BrainDamage> there's a close competition between iran and italy for third place
2020-03-07T02:54:37 < kakigate> jadew: godmode activated
2020-03-07T02:54:40 < jadew> BrainDamage, I noticed that too, I think Iran is going to win tho
2020-03-07T02:55:33 < kakigate> fantasies in 2020: invulnerability against biological agent
2020-03-07T02:55:38 < jadew> I liked ex machina too
2020-03-07T02:57:39 < jadew> it's a good time to be young
2020-03-07T02:58:15 < BrainDamage> I bet our government is secretly gleeiing about it
2020-03-07T02:58:26 < Cracki> was ex machina the movie with the whispering cyborgs or the one where creepy silicon valley dude looks into random employee's porn habits to make the most attractive robot waifu for him
2020-03-07T02:58:31 < BrainDamage> our pension problem solved with no personal responsibility
2020-03-07T02:58:37 < BrainDamage> Cracki: yes
2020-03-07T02:58:38 < jadew> BrainDamage, I thought about that too...
2020-03-07T02:58:40 < Cracki> ah, the other was "the machine"
2020-03-07T02:58:55 < Cracki> yay pensions
2020-03-07T02:59:21 < jadew> however, they are usually majority voters for socialist governments, so they will have at least someone fight for them
2020-03-07T02:59:33 < BrainDamage> not if they are dead
2020-03-07T02:59:41 < Cracki> I am less secretly gleeful about it. everyone keeps saying "shortage of skilled workers". all I see is "sorry, we don't have any open positions"
2020-03-07T03:00:01 < Cracki> not publicly advertised anyway. I'm sure they'll hire anyone that looks promising.
2020-03-07T03:00:14 < Cracki> jadew, socialists now get their votes from 16 year olds
2020-03-07T03:00:16 < kakigate> and then they realize oh shit.. first phase has effects only on weak
2020-03-07T03:00:25 < jadew> Cracki, haha
2020-03-07T03:00:36 < Cracki> it's sad and worrying tho
2020-03-07T03:00:52 < jadew> young people tend to be socialist tho
2020-03-07T03:00:57 < Cracki> dumb kids have no idea that they're following the guy tweeting a tune on a pipe
2020-03-07T03:01:15 < jadew> even I had very strong marxist ideas when I was young and never even read Marx
2020-03-07T03:01:20 < karlp> who's in second? second best korea?
2020-03-07T03:01:26 < jadew> it's a phase of development I guess
2020-03-07T03:01:50 < Cracki> idealism. respectable. but often leads to mass graves.
2020-03-07T03:01:53 < jadew> karlp, yeah, but I actually think they're not second
2020-03-07T03:02:01 < jadew> Cracki, exactly
2020-03-07T03:02:06 < Cracki> and our history classes don't teach socialist atrocities.
2020-03-07T03:04:29 < jadew> my son makes me tell him a story from my childhood before bed, and recently I kinda ran out of appropriate stories for his age, so he's been asking me about communism
2020-03-07T03:04:38 < Cracki> lol
2020-03-07T03:05:39 < jadew> some of yesterday's questions were among the lines of why don't people under communism just shoot their leader like it happened here
2020-03-07T03:05:40 < Cracki> people sat in shelves and the bread walks into the store and picks the person with the furthest best-before date
2020-03-07T03:05:49 < jadew> and why do people want communism in the first place
2020-03-07T03:06:08 < Cracki> tell him how german politicans don't get shot
2020-03-07T03:06:28 < Cracki> perhaps it's time for the boiling frog story
2020-03-07T03:06:41 < jadew> oh, that's a good one
2020-03-07T03:06:43 < jadew> short too
2020-03-07T03:06:54 < Cracki> some communist, not sure if it was marx or not, actually advocated for a well armed proletariat
2020-03-07T03:07:14 < Cracki> modern "communists" use communism as mass control. they don't believe in it, but in ruling.
2020-03-07T03:07:35 < Cracki> is he young enough for you to sit him in the bath tub?
2020-03-07T03:07:47 < Cracki> >_> not suggesting you boil him
2020-03-07T03:07:54 < jadew> yeah, hehe
2020-03-07T03:08:35 < Cracki> I'd reach for current events. history is harder to explain because the victors write it.
2020-03-07T03:09:00 < jadew> well, good thing I don't know much history, other than what my grandparents told me
2020-03-07T03:09:21 < Cracki> the one lesson they should have taught us, but never did, is that current events are LIES, and history slowly has to uncover what was real (or never manages to)
2020-03-07T03:09:25 < jadew> I think communism will rise again
2020-03-07T03:09:38 < Cracki> it's a seasonal thing
2020-03-07T03:09:58 < Cracki> the 16yo commies around here stop going to demonstrations when the weather turns bad
2020-03-07T03:10:48 < jadew> do you have a communist party in there?
2020-03-07T03:11:02 < jadew> I heard spain had one and I was really surprised
2020-03-07T03:11:08 < Cracki> the french have been at it every weekend for the 60th? 70th? time
2020-03-07T03:11:16 < Cracki> all our parties are communist
2020-03-07T03:11:22 < Cracki> it's all the same really
2020-03-07T03:11:40 < Cracki> we have "the left", which are the legal sucessor to what ruled in soviet germany
2020-03-07T03:11:50 < Cracki> we have the greens, which are commies and shit on the environment when it suits them
2020-03-07T03:12:11 < Cracki> we have the democratic socialists, which throw workers under the bus every chance they get
2020-03-07T03:12:26 < jadew> well, so do we, but mentions of communism produces goosebumps on many people here, because most of the population lived under communism
2020-03-07T03:12:26 < Cracki> we have the christian socialists, which are very unchristian
2020-03-07T03:12:35 < Cracki> you lived under communism
2020-03-07T03:12:38 < Cracki> western germany never did
2020-03-07T03:12:46 < Cracki> these people have no idea, none.
2020-03-07T03:13:31 < Cracki> most eastern germans have some idea what it was like, if they're old enough.
2020-03-07T03:13:55 < Cracki> the communist strongholds are cities where young hipster pricks congregate.
2020-03-07T03:14:06 < jadew> the story my grandma told me are horrifying
2020-03-07T03:14:31 < jadew> people were starving because of colectivization
2020-03-07T03:14:55 < jadew> which was the apropriation of private property (livestock, land, etc)
2020-03-07T03:15:14 < Cracki> some random site says "act 62" was january 18 2020, so they msut be at 69 this weekend
2020-03-07T03:15:38 < jadew> *stories
2020-03-07T03:15:47 < Cracki> tell those stories
2020-03-07T03:15:47 < karlp> cracki obviously tbelieves in alternative options.
2020-03-07T03:16:00 < Cracki> if grandma is still alive, or your parents, have them tell
2020-03-07T03:16:36 < jadew> she is, and yeah, would be a good idea to hear them from her
2020-03-07T03:17:20 < kakigate> jadew: didn't like 40% of ukraine die like that?
2020-03-07T03:17:36 < kakigate> stalin said: only farm, no eat
2020-03-07T03:17:43 < Cracki> that was called "holodomor"
2020-03-07T03:17:51 < jadew> kakigate, yeah, I think they did
2020-03-07T03:18:37 < Cracki> famine is portrayed as a "natural disaster", nobody's fault, not even the romans'
2020-03-07T03:18:41 < jadew> also, smart people had it the worst
2020-03-07T03:18:50 < Cracki> smart people were threats to be neutralized
2020-03-07T03:19:10 < jadew> while the lower class had the most benefits, intellectuals would always be left at the end
2020-03-07T03:19:33 < jadew> when apartments were given, they were at the end of the list
2020-03-07T03:19:44 < jadew> because the workforce was the strength of the nation
2020-03-07T03:20:20 < jadew> (people working in factories)
2020-03-07T03:20:28 < Cracki> I'd distinguish between smart people and intellectuals :P intellectuals may not be the kind to contribute to society, but even if you are highly skilled, you're a threat
2020-03-07T03:20:56 < Cracki> anyone who can think for himself
2020-03-07T03:21:09 < jadew> yeah, pretty much
2020-03-07T03:21:21 < jadew> and the rations...
2020-03-07T03:21:32 < jadew> I used to go to buy bread with a card
2020-03-07T03:21:49 < jadew> I was 5 yo when that was happening
2020-03-07T03:22:01 < Cracki> I remember my mother telling about that. it's surreal.
2020-03-07T03:22:04 < jadew> and the lady there would mark how much bread I bought, because there was a limit per day per family
2020-03-07T03:22:13 < jadew> and you could buy one slice
2020-03-07T03:22:49 < jadew> we didn't have running water - unclear why, because once communism fell, we never ran out of water again
2020-03-07T03:23:12 < jadew> so we had to keep water in buckets, so we had what to drink across the day
2020-03-07T03:23:20 < jadew> (it was only running for a couple of hours per day)
2020-03-07T03:23:42 < Cracki> perhaps whoever knows how to keep it running wasn't permitted :>
2020-03-07T03:23:44 < zyp> ecp5 ddr memory pinout guidelines are a bit unclear/contradictory: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/4s3yD
2020-03-07T03:24:01 < Cracki> venezuela. there's a popular guy on twitter. he talks about toilet paper rations.
2020-03-07T03:24:14 < Cracki> untitled
2020-03-07T03:24:21 < Cracki> ah, three bullets
2020-03-07T03:24:42 < zyp> «put data lanes wherever as long as they are properly grouped» «put clocks and other shit on the same side»
2020-03-07T03:25:10 < Cracki> I take that to mean "keep _everything_ together"
2020-03-07T03:25:23 < zyp> yeah, except I have 8 data lanes and can't fit them all on one side
2020-03-07T03:25:33 < Cracki> oh
2020-03-07T03:25:51 < Cracki> those look like guidelines though, recommendations
2020-03-07T03:25:51 < zyp> even the largest packages doesn't have more than 7 groups per side
2020-03-07T03:25:54 < jadew> zyp, do they provide delay info?
2020-03-07T03:25:58 < Cracki> especially the one that says "it is recommended"
2020-03-07T03:26:17 < zyp> another chapter it's mentioning a clock bridge that hooks both sides together
2020-03-07T03:26:21 < zyp> so I figure it'll be fine
2020-03-07T03:27:41 < zyp> anyway, I figure I'll go for the bga381, since the lowend variants are not available in the larger packages
2020-03-07T03:28:35 < zyp> bga381 got four DQS groups on each side, so it'll do 8 lanes
2020-03-07T03:29:36 < rajkosto> dungeon quest siege
2020-03-07T03:30:14 < Cracki> ooh, says here one german patient is in critical condition. scheduled for an organ transplant, he was on immunosuppressants
2020-03-07T03:31:05 < zyp> apparently there's some variation between the variants
2020-03-07T03:31:16 < Cracki> til: google cache's 404 says "Error 404 (Not Found)!!1", with literally bang bang one
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2020-03-07T03:31:32 < Cracki> what does constitute a lane?
2020-03-07T03:31:39 < zyp> each side have two banks, each banks have 32-34 pins, smallest subset got 4x32 banks
2020-03-07T03:31:44 < Cracki> what do you think would happen if you put four on each side?
2020-03-07T03:32:03 < zyp> eight data bits, data mask and a differential data clock, so 11 signals
2020-03-07T03:32:10 < zyp> s/clock/strobe/
2020-03-07T03:32:47 < zyp> so yeah, if I assume the common subset, I've got 64 pins available on each side
2020-03-07T03:32:57 < zyp> data lanes will consume 44 of those
2020-03-07T03:33:45 < zyp> and then there's 33 signals otherwise (address/control/command/clock), that'll have to be assigned to the remaining 20 pins on each side
2020-03-07T03:34:11 < zyp> I figure with the clock bridge enabled it should work, since that seems to be the point of the clock bridge
2020-03-07T03:36:13 < zyp> oh, wait, I'm forgetting that I need a vref in each bank too
2020-03-07T03:36:49 < zyp> so I've got 18 pins on each side
2020-03-07T03:36:52 < zyp> still doable
2020-03-07T03:37:32 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/rCCA8.png
2020-03-07T03:38:14 < zyp> gonna be fun routing the whole left and right sides to a sodimm socket, and then somehow getting out the top and bottom signals too
2020-03-07T03:41:26 < dongs> god fucking damn
2020-03-07T03:41:33 < Cracki> much via
2020-03-07T03:41:34 < dongs> altifuck20 broke whatever bullshit pascal scripting crap
2020-03-07T03:41:47 < dongs> so im trying to use this fucking ultimatelibrarian crap
2020-03-07T03:41:59 < dongs> and it doesnt fucking load footprint properly
2020-03-07T03:42:04 < doomba> sounds like a huge hassle. just use kicad on ubuntu lunix
2020-03-07T03:42:19 < Cracki> "delphiscript", never heard of it. hope it's standard pascal.
2020-03-07T03:42:19 < dongs> yeah ok nigger
2020-03-07T03:43:30 < Cracki> "managed scripts", sounds cancery
2020-03-07T03:45:21 < Cracki> did they force you to update to altium 20?
2020-03-07T03:48:24 < englishman> do you have to use all the pins of a sodimm
2020-03-07T03:48:30 < englishman> can you just use half the chips
2020-03-07T03:48:43 < zyp> sure, if you only want half the memory
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2020-03-07T03:48:55 < tomeaton17> are you drunk?
2020-03-07T03:49:05 < englishman> can you buy a sodimm twice as big?
2020-03-07T03:49:23 < zyp> sure, if it exists
2020-03-07T03:50:01 < englishman> actually I am having a koduolu which is p strong
2020-03-07T03:50:27 < tomeaton17> get the whisky in
2020-03-07T03:50:49 < tomeaton17> especially lagavulin 16 banging stuff
2020-03-07T03:51:51 < zyp> these sodimms have a bunch of dimensions so a single stick of a given size can be built in several ways
2020-03-07T03:52:01 < tomeaton17> okay dude
2020-03-07T03:52:02 < tomeaton17> Steffanx:
2020-03-07T03:52:15 < Sadale> Steffanx, I'm always here :3
2020-03-07T03:54:25 < dongs> fuck man i wasted more time trying to import this than it would take to draw the fucking symbol
2020-03-07T03:54:29 < dongs> what a god damn waste of time
2020-03-07T03:54:34 < dongs> ultracuck is the worst piece of shitware ever
2020-03-07T03:54:53 < Cracki> whatchagonnado
2020-03-07T03:55:00 < tomeaton17> whisky
2020-03-07T03:55:01 < dongs> i dont knoiw, it does export to kikecad
2020-03-07T03:55:02 < Cracki> ^
2020-03-07T03:55:29 < Cracki> ragecode a new ecad application
2020-03-07T03:55:39 < dongs> sorry not autistic tenough
2020-03-07T03:55:55 < Cracki> how hard can it be? it's just LINES man
2020-03-07T03:56:05 < dongs> finally
2020-03-07T03:56:08 < dongs> took like 10 tries
2020-03-07T03:56:12 < tomeaton17> dongs: is clearly very autistic
2020-03-07T03:56:17 < zyp> according to what I found, a 8GB DIMM can be 64-bit wide, has a 16-bit row address, 10-bit col address, 8 banks and 2 ranks
2020-03-07T03:56:17 < dongs> to find correct PADS version to export
2020-03-07T03:56:21 < Cracki> so you weren't discouraged when it failed, nine times
2020-03-07T03:56:27 < dongs> that altifuck would load without crashing
2020-03-07T03:56:37 < zyp> a 16GB stick might have an 11-bit col address
2020-03-07T03:56:50 < Cracki> so you can save address lines?
2020-03-07T03:57:00 < zyp> smaller sticks might have fewer address lines or fewer ranks
2020-03-07T03:57:17 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/o4NwASI.png >?????
2020-03-07T03:57:19 < dongs> what in the fuck is this
2020-03-07T03:57:20 < zyp> and I also saw some specialty sticks that were only half populated, i.e. 32-bit wide
2020-03-07T03:57:39 < englishman> so max memory is really determined at design time
2020-03-07T03:57:40 < englishman> makes sense
2020-03-07T03:57:43 < Cracki> double-ended mini usb receptacle?
2020-03-07T03:57:46 < zyp> but I bet they are more expensive than an off the shelf standard stick of twice the size
2020-03-07T03:58:23 < englishman> silkscreen under the ic, nice
2020-03-07T03:58:30 < englishman> looks like an opensores design
2020-03-07T03:58:41 < tomeaton17> okay dude
2020-03-07T03:59:46 < zyp> englishman, yeah, if you don't route enough address lines or chip selects then you might not be able to fully address a larger stick, but a smaller one might be fine
2020-03-07T04:01:02 < zyp> apparently each rank has it's own clock signal and a couple other duplicated signals in addition to the chip select
2020-03-07T04:01:29 < zyp> so four pins per rank
2020-03-07T04:01:31 < tomeaton17> why are you working at this time
2020-03-07T04:02:32 < zyp> sorry, five
2020-03-07T04:04:09 < jadew> BrainDamage, if you use the S. Korea as the gold standard, the number of cases in Italy would have to be ~30k at this time
2020-03-07T04:04:27 < jadew> (based on the number of deaths)
2020-03-07T04:05:43 < BrainDamage> idk, people seems to be taking this pretty seriously
2020-03-07T04:05:52 < BrainDamage> at least wrt testing and isolation
2020-03-07T04:06:23 < BrainDamage> stats may be faked by the government, but at least it seems that people are either genuinely scared or genuinely putting an effort
2020-03-07T04:06:28 < BrainDamage> your pick on which
2020-03-07T04:07:13 < BrainDamage> death rate can be explained by the age of our population
2020-03-07T04:07:23 < jadew> oh, right
2020-03-07T04:07:44 < BrainDamage> italy and japan have the longest life expectancy but also the eldest median population
2020-03-07T04:08:28 < englishman> the death rate is 100%
2020-03-07T04:08:40 < jadew> not from this cause
2020-03-07T04:09:02 < BrainDamage> death rate is 100% after 150 years
2020-03-07T04:11:42 < Cracki> jadew, you can't use s.korea for anything because they have a death cult that spread this shit intentionally
2020-03-07T04:12:11 < jadew> well, regardless of how it was spread, it's spread
2020-03-07T04:25:14 < englishman> ti opa990
2020-03-07T04:25:18 < englishman> is alright
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2020-03-07T04:25:28 < englishman> dat voltage
2020-03-07T04:37:12 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/Wm4k8pl.jpg
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2020-03-07T05:13:00 < dongs> nice
2020-03-07T05:13:12 < dongs> USB3>USB2x4 bandwidth-splitting hub thingy works
2020-03-07T05:13:57 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/1oabp2U.png
2020-03-07T05:17:09 < zyp> nice
2020-03-07T05:19:25 < Cracki> t - 90 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MkcWK2PnsU
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2020-03-07T05:24:56 < dongs> libusb: warning [enumerate_hcd_root_hub] could not infer VID/PID of HCD root hub from 'USB\VID_1D5C&PID_6000\8&35DFAFF1&0&5'
2020-03-07T05:24:59 < dongs> causes some libusb wank tho
2020-03-07T05:25:03 < dongs> not that i care
2020-03-07T05:25:30 < zyp> heh
2020-03-07T05:25:43 < zyp> it's obviously 1D5C:6000
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2020-03-07T05:36:49 < englishman> https://www.tokyoreporter.com/japan/aichi-man-infected-with-coronavirus-goes-to-bars-to-spread-it/
2020-03-07T05:37:23 < dongs> nice
2020-03-07T05:50:48 < dongs> hmm
2020-03-07T05:50:55 < dongs> zyp, im poking at my shit with usb analyzer
2020-03-07T05:51:03 < dongs> and there's a bunch of NAK'd IN transactions between completed ones
2020-03-07T05:51:11 < dongs> is that cuz usb is polling and sucks?
2020-03-07T05:51:29 < zyp> what sort of shit is this?
2020-03-07T05:51:38 < dongs> bulk transfer. hold on lemme screenshot
2020-03-07T05:52:06 < zyp> NAK is normal flow control, means device is not ready to send yet
2020-03-07T05:52:20 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/dlpRoSP.png
2020-03-07T05:52:55 < dongs> so the host polls that shit and thers no data and it rplies with nak right?
2020-03-07T05:52:59 < zyp> correct
2020-03-07T05:53:47 < zyp> is this data being fed to USB at a given rate, or just as fast as the USB periph is able to receive it?
2020-03-07T05:54:48 < dongs> on which end?
2020-03-07T05:54:54 < zyp> device
2020-03-07T05:55:03 < zyp> this is IN, so device is sending
2020-03-07T05:55:07 < dongs> its parallel data clocked into the usb fifo
2020-03-07T05:55:14 < dongs> and im getting it out
2020-03-07T05:55:19 < dongs> external clock
2020-03-07T05:55:33 < machinehum> People on #hamradio are pussies they silenced me because I was asking if I needed a licence to have radio sex with my gf
2020-03-07T05:56:05 < dongs> the fuck is a "split transaction"?
2020-03-07T05:56:05 < zyp> dongs, what's the device?
2020-03-07T05:56:45 < zyp> split transactions are some shit to carry full/low speed transactions over a high speed bus to the transaction translator in the hub
2020-03-07T05:56:56 < dongs> hmm
2020-03-07T05:57:34 < zyp> you only need to care about them if you're gonna do high speed host capable of talking to low or full speed devices
2020-03-07T05:57:45 < dongs> im trying to track down why im losing some 512-multiples of stuff sometimes when > 100mbit is passing through this shit
2020-03-07T05:57:52 < zyp> I haven't done host at all, so I haven't studied exactly how it works
2020-03-07T05:58:23 < zyp> but I think it's called SPLIT because the response doesn't follow right after the request like a normal request
2020-03-07T05:58:44 < zyp> and then there's some NYET token as well involved with that
2020-03-07T05:59:37 < zyp> anyway, you'll only see SPLIT stuff between host and hub
2020-03-07T05:59:52 < dongs> maybe im seeing it cuz i plugged analyzer into hub
2020-03-07T05:59:56 < zyp> of course, you'll see it elsewhere too since usb is a broadcast bus
2020-03-07T05:59:56 < dongs> instead of directly to some port
2020-03-07T06:00:04 < dongs> oh, or that
2020-03-07T06:00:23 < aandrew> machinehum: lol
2020-03-07T06:01:18 < zyp> I usually filter what addrs I wanna see
2020-03-07T06:01:35 < zyp> since I usually got other spam on the same bus
2020-03-07T06:02:23 < machinehum> I was think... I might bring that thing on public transit and just transmit the fuck out of it
2020-03-07T06:02:23 < machinehum> thinking*
2020-03-07T06:02:23 < machinehum> How would they catch me?!
2020-03-07T06:02:26 < zyp> dongs, so anyway, what's the device?
2020-03-07T06:03:53 < zyp> stm32, or some usb fifo chip?
2020-03-07T06:04:26 < dongs> the latter yeah
2020-03-07T06:04:27 < dongs> not stm
2020-03-07T06:04:54 < zyp> i.e. not programmable?
2020-03-07T06:04:59 < dongs> nope
2020-03-07T06:05:10 < dongs> i suspect the probelm is libusb/winusb anyway
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2020-03-07T06:05:23 < dongs> it only happens when shit > 100mbit
2020-03-07T06:05:28 < dongs> 50-30mbit its ok
2020-03-07T06:05:35 < dongs> the fifo can do up to 360 so its not hardware problem..
2020-03-07T06:05:37 < zyp> should be easy to figure out when you've got a protocol analyzer
2020-03-07T06:05:52 < dongs> i dont see any short/weird/wrong packets tho
2020-03-07T06:05:59 < zyp> either you see all the data on the bus or you see lost data on the bus
2020-03-07T06:06:15 < dongs> yeah but its hard to tell cuz the stuff isnt packetized its just a dump of shit
2020-03-07T06:06:21 < zyp> there probably won't be any weird things on the bus
2020-03-07T06:06:58 < zyp> how deep is the fifo?
2020-03-07T06:07:24 < zyp> is there flow control on the feeding side?
2020-03-07T06:07:40 < dongs> nope
2020-03-07T06:07:46 < zyp> also, are you losing whole packages or just bytes from the stream?
2020-03-07T06:08:00 < dongs> one time i tried to reconstruct missing data
2020-03-07T06:08:06 < dongs> and it was exactly 1024 or something gone
2020-03-07T06:08:28 < dongs> i wonder if i should use isoch
2020-03-07T06:08:32 < dongs> but libusb sucks even more for that shit
2020-03-07T06:08:43 < dongs> and i'd get even less guarnatee of its arrival right
2020-03-07T06:08:46 < zyp> I don't think winusb does iso
2020-03-07T06:08:52 < zyp> you get no guarantee
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2020-03-07T06:09:19 < zyp> iso is guaranteed capacity/latency, errors are handled by dropping
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2020-03-07T06:09:35 < turnip420> Using this nic to get into #hamradio
2020-03-07T06:09:36 < zyp> bulk is reliable delivery, retransmit on error
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2020-03-07T06:10:58 < dongs> hmm
2020-03-07T06:11:00 < dongs> i see somethign
2020-03-07T06:11:43 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/ixVnxDU.png
2020-03-07T06:11:56 < dongs> but analyzer doesnt show much
2020-03-07T06:12:01 < dongs> 'data' is just 19 00 00
2020-03-07T06:12:52 < zyp> does that correlate with dropped data?
2020-03-07T06:13:36 < zyp> corrupted packages are probably not uncommon, it's supposed to be handled
2020-03-07T06:14:01 < zyp> what's the source of the fifo data?
2020-03-07T06:14:22 < dongs> my usual tv shit.
2020-03-07T06:14:22 < dongs> hmm
2020-03-07T06:14:32 < dongs> i dont know if it 'correlates' ill have to check the file and see
2020-03-07T06:14:42 < zyp> can you hook it to something that generates a predictable stream, like a counter or some shit?
2020-03-07T06:14:45 < dongs> reconfstructing it is kinda gay because data is all over hte place and isnt packetiszed/timestamped
2020-03-07T06:15:11 < dongs> yeah i really should... with some cpld breakout board or somethign
2020-03-07T06:16:03 < zyp> can you get a data col in the packet list in your analyzer software?
2020-03-07T06:17:09 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/hHfi4.png <- I'm not sure what I was testing in this screenshot, probably also some data corruption issue
2020-03-07T06:24:15 < Cracki> remember https://youtu.be/_ssbv444jdc?t=85
2020-03-07T06:27:16 < Cracki> crs 20 mission control audio is already online https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iif96DchxXo
2020-03-07T06:29:43 < turnip420> lol I said "Hi" with this nick, different ip. "What's your game, netflix broken or something"
2020-03-07T06:35:23 < Cracki> your user name is still ...!machinehu@...
2020-03-07T06:36:09 < Cracki> moar nostalgia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=513SVdhr6Ho
2020-03-07T06:42:12 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MkcWK2PnsU live
2020-03-07T06:43:43 < turnip420> dongs: ty
2020-03-07T06:44:35 < dongs> zyp: data column is there yeah
2020-03-07T06:44:53 < dongs> since its 512 bytes its also off to the side in a separate hexbox
2020-03-07T06:46:17 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/BK3Yyiu.png
2020-03-07T06:46:29 < dongs> i think i'd have to generate the shit
2020-03-07T06:46:33 < dongs> with some dummy data
2020-03-07T06:48:09 < jadew> I tuned it at the right moment
2020-03-07T06:49:07 < jadew> this stuff is more repetitive than porn, but I still watch because if it blows up I want to be able to say I saw one blowing up live
2020-03-07T06:49:14 < dongs> yes
2020-03-07T06:49:23 < dongs> literally the only reason im watching lolz
2020-03-07T06:49:32 < dongs> or like the last one when they landed into water off-camera
2020-03-07T06:52:09 < englishman> shuttling mcdonalds and blood pressure meds to americas astronauts
2020-03-07T06:52:52 < jadew> and coronavirus?
2020-03-07T06:57:34 < turnip420> Seattle is a problem for that... aka where I live
2020-03-07T06:59:04 < dongs> nice fucking landing
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2020-03-07T06:59:11 < jadew> was going to say
2020-03-07T06:59:13 < jadew> very smooth
2020-03-07T06:59:37 < englishman> 50 more landings than laurenceb
2020-03-07T06:59:44 < jadew> they're doing the PID in arduino
2020-03-07T07:01:48 < dongs> on MSP430
2020-03-07T07:03:25 < turnip420> spacex team runs lunux
2020-03-07T07:03:32 < Cracki> muricans, very cheery
2020-03-07T07:05:23 < Cracki> jadew, what's your rating for the blonde mama on the spacex stream?
2020-03-07T07:06:05 < dongs> disgusting
2020-03-07T07:06:10 < dongs> (not that you asked my opinion)
2020-03-07T07:09:18 < Cracki> eh, better than the other one
2020-03-07T07:10:17 < jadew> Cracki, she's doable
2020-03-07T07:10:43 < jadew> she wouldn't be in front of the camera if she wasn't
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2020-03-07T07:14:40 < Cracki> >_>
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2020-03-07T07:51:14 < kvlxoxo> https://i.imgur.com/2B4GPck.jpg
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2020-03-07T11:12:02 < Steffanx> Jly 
2020-03-07T11:12:38 < jly> stfn
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2020-03-07T11:23:55 < jly> help steffan I can't get out of the pot
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2020-03-07T11:59:30 < Steffanx> Drink all thee first jly
2020-03-07T12:03:43 < jly> but what will you do about jolly?
2020-03-07T12:04:47 < Steffanx> Nothing. Shes a good 🐈 
2020-03-07T12:40:26 < Steffanx> Is jly out of toilet paper yet?
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2020-03-07T15:18:13 < dongs> gran autismo
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2020-03-07T15:46:49 < Steffanx> Welcome to the game dongs.
2020-03-07T15:51:41 < antto> https://i.imgur.com/ddz0PgX.png
2020-03-07T15:54:41 < karlp> if you've got a plastic box like this: https://www.tme.eu/Document/a086c042cc6ea8d761e2bc4753c2c332/ABS-35.pdf with 2.3mm diameter holes, shoudl that be m2.5 screws self tapping into the plastic then?
2020-03-07T15:57:30 < antto> some cases have a metal thing embedded into the plastic which takes the screw
2020-03-07T15:57:39 < antto> but this case probably isn't one of them
2020-03-07T15:59:08 < antto> karlp if you only need four of these, you could use the other four to try out a few screw sizes
2020-03-07T16:00:56 < antto> dongs wut do u think about muh autismobishi ^ ?
2020-03-07T16:02:05 < karlp> and also, what's the vertical dimension of the screws? horizontal is 86.3, but vert is...?
2020-03-07T16:02:28 < karlp> is it 72.6?
2020-03-07T16:03:34 < antto> looks like it has to be 72.6
2020-03-07T16:04:55 < antto> i wish custom made cases weren't so eggspensive
2020-03-07T16:05:08 < antto> (nor fuggly)
2020-03-07T16:10:14 < karlp> internet says m2.5 for 2.3mm holes yues.
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2020-03-07T16:37:00 < englishman> ltc2051 is the 2ch version of ltc2050? spec is ever so slightly different
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2020-03-07T17:37:08 < kakimir> what would you use your fpga board zyp?
2020-03-07T17:37:13 < kakimir> *use for
2020-03-07T17:37:38 < kakimir> what kind of interfaces etc.
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2020-03-07T18:03:18 < zyp> kakimir, please clarify
2020-03-07T18:03:43 < kakimir> is it purpose build board
2020-03-07T18:03:53 < kakimir> is it generic with io fanning out
2020-03-07T18:13:18 < zyp> generic
2020-03-07T18:27:16 < zyp> so far my plans are roughly: sodimm, usb-c, maybe ethernet, bunch of generic IO
2020-03-07T18:27:52 < zyp> generic IO can be used to hook up to other hardware or LA inputs or whatever you wanna use it for
2020-03-07T18:29:00 < zyp> I figure putting a 8GB sodimm stick in it makes it nice for various sorts of data capture
2020-03-07T18:30:37 < kakimir> so it's a logic analyzer
2020-03-07T18:32:23 < zyp> not necessarily, building a logic analyzer is not my goal
2020-03-07T18:32:43 < zyp> although that's one of the things it potentially can be
2020-03-07T18:33:33 < Steffanx> Going for ddr4?
2020-03-07T18:33:52 < zyp> it could just as well be a flash emulator or some shit, keeping the image in ram, as long as DDR3 latency is low enough
2020-03-07T18:34:13 < zyp> Steffanx, ecp5 doesn't seem to do ddr4
2020-03-07T18:40:45 < kakimir> current page needs to be inside fpga
2020-03-07T18:41:36 < kakimir> i think ddr3 is pretty fine for most uses
2020-03-07T18:41:38 < kakimir> also cheap
2020-03-07T18:42:57 < zyp> that's why sodimm is interesting
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2020-03-07T18:44:21 < zyp> I could put down a couple of memory chips instead, but I figure if you want a bunch of memory it's cheaper to use an off the shelf 8GB stick or something
2020-03-07T18:44:50 < zyp> probably easier to route too
2020-03-07T18:47:13 < kakimir> for bulk of mem it's a best option
2020-03-07T18:47:51 < boddax> just installed debian but dont like the WM gnome
2020-03-07T18:48:03 < dongs> install windows 10
2020-03-07T18:48:06 < dongs> like a normal human being
2020-03-07T18:48:31 < boddax> lol dongs im not normal
2020-03-07T18:48:35 < zyp> best depends on the metric, I'm optimizing for ease, cost and amount of memory
2020-03-07T18:49:02 < zyp> you wouldn't want to do it if you're optimizing for size
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2020-03-07T18:59:19 < kakimir> indeed
2020-03-07T18:59:27 < kakimir> but generic solutions are bulky anyway
2020-03-07T19:00:37 < kakimir> and diy fpga board is too expensive to be made for every single specific purpose
2020-03-07T19:00:44 < kakimir> separatelly
2020-03-07T19:00:45 < doomba> http://jotly.io/
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2020-03-07T19:02:14 < Cracki> >MongoDB
2020-03-07T19:03:04 < Steffanx> whops doomba.
2020-03-07T19:03:17 < Steffanx> Honey pot much?
2020-03-07T19:03:21 < doomba> i thought about making a todo app with blockchain and IoT
2020-03-07T19:03:34 < doomba> and i would use mongodb and all sorts of new emerging web technologies
2020-03-07T19:03:43 < doomba> and post it to hackernews and get lots of VC funding so i can buy a porsche
2020-03-07T19:04:00 < doomba> in order to do that, i'd need to come up with a name... so i chose jotly
2020-03-07T19:04:09 < doomba> like "jot notes" or "jot something down"
2020-03-07T19:04:13 < BrainDamage> blockchain is already a shitty database, no need for mongodb
2020-03-07T19:04:18 < Cracki> jot.ly taken?
2020-03-07T19:04:21 < doomba> but add 'ly' because all startups need ly
2020-03-07T19:04:29 < Cracki> hm, jot.ly not taken
2020-03-07T19:04:32 < doomba> so then i also need a .io domain because that's essential for a successful tech startup too
2020-03-07T19:04:48 < doomba> but to my dismay, it appears someone already had this idea - and even used mongodb.
2020-03-07T19:04:57 < doomba> and according to their website, you can clearly see they're already on their 2nd round of VC funding.
2020-03-07T19:05:24 < Cracki> i see articles from 2011
2020-03-07T19:05:26 < Cracki> it's ded jim
2020-03-07T19:05:42 < Cracki> https://techcrunch.com/2011/12/13/jotly-lives-parody-app-goes-live-in-itunes/
2020-03-07T19:06:11 < BrainDamage> don't forget the standard template with the obnoxious sliding javascript, and then write "made with ♥"
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2020-03-07T19:13:18 < jadew> Italy announced 1.2k new cases for today
2020-03-07T19:13:31 < jadew> and 36 deaths
2020-03-07T19:13:40 < jadew> we're at ~100 deaths/day now
2020-03-07T19:14:16 < jadew> assuming china is telling the truth and they only had 28 today
2020-03-07T19:17:25 < BrainDamage> daily death is a useless information unless you extrapolate on a trend of several days
2020-03-07T19:18:06 < jadew> well, I'm gonna guess the trend is exponential
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2020-03-07T19:18:23 < jadew> we'll probably see 200/day during next week
2020-03-07T19:18:23 < BrainDamage> you can curve fit an exponential too
2020-03-07T19:18:24 < Steffanx> We have a whopping 188. Im gonnaa dieeeeeeeeeeeee
2020-03-07T19:19:34 < jadew> I predict a real estate crash after this is over
2020-03-07T19:20:00 < jadew> and with it, another global economical crisis
2020-03-07T19:20:36 < jadew> at least the people in power had some training with the last one and they're still around
2020-03-07T19:21:36 < doomba> jadew: in case you haven't noticed, there's a global economic crisis at the same time there is a pandemic scare and a US election year.
2020-03-07T19:21:55 < doomba> this has been the case for like the last 20 years at least
2020-03-07T19:21:55 < jadew> doomba, eh... this will not be due to the scare
2020-03-07T19:22:08 < boddax>  april there also meteor :))
2020-03-07T19:22:11 < jadew> I'm talking 2007 level crisis
2020-03-07T19:22:20 < boddax> 29 april
2020-03-07T19:22:25 < Steffanx> Yeah, we're dead.
2020-03-07T19:22:29 < englishman> exfat coming to tesla
2020-03-07T19:22:31 < doomba> jadew: 2007, economic crisis... 2008 US election year... 2009 H1N1 scare.
2020-03-07T19:22:34 < englishman> thanks Microsoft for opensoresing
2020-03-07T19:22:43 < boddax> just ordered my coffin yesterday
2020-03-07T19:22:53 < jadew> lol boddax 
2020-03-07T19:23:07 < boddax> aliexpress coffin
2020-03-07T19:23:08 < doomba> jadew: 2000 economic recession? 2000 US election year? 2002 SARS?
2020-03-07T19:23:35 < jadew> doomba, the 2007 crisis swept the entire globe
2020-03-07T19:23:49 < doomba> we aren't gonna have an economic crisis
2020-03-07T19:23:56 < jadew> it was an almost simultaneous crash of all real estate markets
2020-03-07T19:23:59 < doomba> it's going to be an economic catastrophe this time
2020-03-07T19:24:18 < specing> Lol
2020-03-07T19:24:51 < doomba> but who cares?
2020-03-07T19:25:01 < doomba> my credit is already like -400
2020-03-07T19:25:08 < doomba> and i'm unhirable
2020-03-07T19:25:24 < Steffanx> Yes do do that doomba
2020-03-07T19:25:26 < doomba> in 2007 i was in prison. nothing's changed here.
2020-03-07T19:25:30 < boddax> i've born with catastrophic situation in my wallet ..no worries
2020-03-07T19:25:41 < englishman> cool i can buy 3 more houses instead of just 2
2020-03-07T19:25:45 < doomba> yea
2020-03-07T19:25:56 < Steffanx> such moneyed westener this englishman
2020-03-07T19:26:20 < doomba> the only thing a real estate market crash will do is bring prices down low enough that i can buy a couple rental properties, fix them up, and ride the next wave.
2020-03-07T19:26:56 < englishman> this year we will try an intercalated corn crop steffys
2020-03-07T19:27:15 < doomba> Steffanx: lol no.
2020-03-07T19:27:20 < Steffanx> Buy some houses in Detroit
2020-03-07T19:27:23 < doomba> EXACTLY
2020-03-07T19:27:35 < doomba> we used to have 3 houses
2020-03-07T19:27:37 < doomba> 1 burned down
2020-03-07T19:27:43 < boddax> but i'm very sorry for those people invested billions in the markets ..lost all how pity
2020-03-07T19:27:48 < doomba> i funded 1.5 of them
2020-03-07T19:28:20 < doomba> the house that burned down, i paid $1000 for to take over the land contract, and then rented it out to a state agency that used it as a boarding house for mentally challenged.
2020-03-07T19:28:37 < doomba> it was pure money. until the damn mexicans blew it up with their walmart air conditioner
2020-03-07T19:28:46 < upgrdman> im eagerly awaiting the next real estate crisis. im ready to buy a nice big house for cheap.
2020-03-07T19:28:51 < Steffanx> didnt you sue them doomba
2020-03-07T19:28:59 < doomba> Steffanx: sue who? the tenants?
2020-03-07T19:29:03 < Steffanx> YEAH
2020-03-07T19:29:07 < doomba> the insurance payout was like $250K
2020-03-07T19:29:07 < Steffanx> not going to china upgrdman?
2020-03-07T19:29:12 < Steffanx> ah
2020-03-07T19:29:23 < upgrdman> Steffanx, i am, but real estate time times to bottom out
2020-03-07T19:29:32 < doomba> which ofc went all to taxes and moar housing
2020-03-07T19:29:46 < boddax> 3 euro for 200 sqm house with swimming pool 
2020-03-07T19:29:48 < doomba> so yea another recession is gonna be great because houses will be less than $10K again.
2020-03-07T19:29:58 < Steffanx> not ever going to happen here
2020-03-07T19:30:01 < Steffanx> NOT EVER.
2020-03-07T19:30:09 < Steffanx> A house for 10K euro. lol
2020-03-07T19:30:24 < Steffanx> Cant even get a (decent) car for that.
2020-03-07T19:30:29 < doomba> the house i'm in right now was less than $35K
2020-03-07T19:30:45 < doomba> and now according to zillow it's around $90K
2020-03-07T19:30:52 < boddax> wood or cemment doomba?
2020-03-07T19:30:54 < BrainDamage> doomba: prices of the houses are very different in usa compared to europe
2020-03-07T19:31:06 < doomba> boddax: it's a 100+ year old farm house
2020-03-07T19:31:25 < boddax> nice ..where?
2020-03-07T19:31:31 < doomba> mind you, the reason houses are so cheap here (and this is a two story house with 4 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms) is because of locaiton
2020-03-07T19:31:39 < Steffanx> Even such house wouldnt ever be close to 35k here
2020-03-07T19:31:44 < BrainDamage> here you'll struggle to find an apartment less than 50k, even if they are to be completely rebuilt
2020-03-07T19:31:48 < doomba> it's in the middle of fucking nowhere with no jobs and nothing going economic-wise
2020-03-07T19:31:53 < doomba> people are all low-income
2020-03-07T19:32:01 < upgrdman> $90k house? shit, where i live, $90k won't even buy you land to pitch a tent on.
2020-03-07T19:32:02 < doomba> only place to shop is dollar general
2020-03-07T19:32:12 < doomba> so that's the tradeoff
2020-03-07T19:32:15 < upgrdman> it must suck to be poor
2020-03-07T19:32:19 < boddax> toothpick house here for 10k Brain
2020-03-07T19:32:32 < doomba> there really doesn't seem to be a middleground
2020-03-07T19:33:06 < doomba> either you live in the city and make $200K/year to live in a coffin and eat ramen noodles. or you live in the middle of fentanyl-town and sell drugs to pay rent.
2020-03-07T19:33:09 < Steffanx> you were in california right, upgrdman?
2020-03-07T19:33:14 < upgrdman> yes
2020-03-07T19:33:18 < doomba> at least in fentanyl-town, you get a whole house and a backyard to yourself.
2020-03-07T19:33:19 < upgrdman> near LA
2020-03-07T19:33:36 < englishman> i'm also paying extra to not live near doomba
2020-03-07T19:33:47 < doomba> it's not that bad here tho :)
2020-03-07T19:34:05 < doomba> if you work remotely for minwage like i do, it's easy life. keep your expenses down and there's nothing to complain about.
2020-03-07T19:34:07 < upgrdman> 150 square meter house is a decent middle-class neighborhood is like $800k. $1-1.5M in a nice neighborhood.
2020-03-07T19:34:12 < doomba> i'd rather be here than in a place like LA
2020-03-07T19:34:48 < doomba> plus we don't have a california invasion happening here... this state sucks too much even for them.
2020-03-07T19:34:51 < englishman> upgrdman wants to move into edward scissorhands neighbourhood
2020-03-07T19:34:57 < upgrdman> haha
2020-03-07T19:35:02 < doomba> we don't want cali people coming here either
2020-03-07T19:35:18 < Steffanx> but you do want upgrdman. He is a nice guy doomba
2020-03-07T19:35:19 < upgrdman> doomba, here == ?
2020-03-07T19:35:21 < doomba> ohio
2020-03-07T19:35:42 < doomba> cali people will come here with their retarded ass tech startups and jack up all of our housing prices
2020-03-07T19:35:45 < bitmask> this ink is more conductive than I thought, time to get muh plate on
2020-03-07T19:35:47 < upgrdman> ok. been to ohio as a kid. don't rememeber much of it tho
2020-03-07T19:35:59 < doomba> but it'll never work out of them
2020-03-07T19:36:09 < Steffanx> does it make a good electrified dildo bitmask?
2020-03-07T19:36:09 < englishman> https://www.voltera.io/
2020-03-07T19:36:14 < englishman> somone at work wanted to buy this
2020-03-07T19:36:16 < doomba> ohio's industries are farming and healthcare - and it will stay that way.
2020-03-07T19:36:17 < bitmask> it will, oh it will
2020-03-07T19:37:28 < bitmask> i did one layer of a line thats like 50mm x 8mm and I was expecting like 2-3 kOhm and its only 800 ohm
2020-03-07T19:37:37 < bitmask> doesnt really mean much but at least it works
2020-03-07T19:38:36 < BrainDamage> 12mΩ/sq @ 70um height
2020-03-07T19:38:50 < BrainDamage> that's not exactly negligible
2020-03-07T19:39:03 < englishman> A single ink cartridge will allow you to print up to 85 Hello World boards. This also equates to 100 m of conductive trace at 8 mil width, or 200 cm2 of solid pour. The number of boards you are able to print will depend on size and complexity of the circuits you are building.
2020-03-07T19:39:03 < englishman> The ink cartridge has an official shelf life of 6 months and should be stored in the refrigerator when not used.
2020-03-07T19:39:18 < englishman> somehow printing your own circuits is MORE expensive than paying chinese
2020-03-07T19:39:25 < upgrdman> lol
2020-03-07T19:39:31 < BrainDamage> that's always been the case
2020-03-07T19:39:32 < englishman> the fuck are they drilling for
2020-03-07T19:39:32 < englishman> too
2020-03-07T19:39:35 < englishman> without plating
2020-03-07T19:39:36 < englishman> ??????????
2020-03-07T19:39:47 < englishman> they show a bunch of their pcbs with vias
2020-03-07T19:39:51 < upgrdman> are there glorified laser cutters for fast/DIY PCBs?
2020-03-07T19:40:01 < BrainDamage> the only reason to dyi a pcb is for the rapid prototype
2020-03-07T19:40:04 < englishman> you can just mill pcbs
2020-03-07T19:40:06 < englishman> if you want one layer
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2020-03-07T19:40:12 < BrainDamage> or two layers
2020-03-07T19:40:28 < englishman> if you want to plug your own vias yeah
2020-03-07T19:40:37 < englishman> and you are autistic enough to align the shit
2020-03-07T19:40:49 < englishman> Unlock design freedom with rivets!
2020-03-07T19:40:49 < englishman> Design with two layers and easily make connections without compromises.
2020-03-07T19:40:51 < englishman> oh god
2020-03-07T19:41:12 < BrainDamage> drill fiducials before miiling
2020-03-07T19:41:13 < bitmask> when I see laser for pcb its usually about spray painting black onto the copper and using a laser to burn away where you want to etch and then etch..
2020-03-07T19:41:22 < BrainDamage> then sw can align
2020-03-07T19:41:25 < upgrdman> anyone used one of those usb-c hubs that acts like a docking station (4k hdmi/dp, usb-pd, etc.) ? they decent or a gimmick?
2020-03-07T19:41:38 < upgrdman> i cant find many decent options for 4k usb-c monitors :/
2020-03-07T19:41:50 < englishman> Power User Bundle
2020-03-07T19:41:51 < englishman> $444.99 USD
2020-03-07T19:42:03 < englishman> well they are not selling to chinese
2020-03-07T19:42:05 < upgrdman> lg has one that looks nice, but its aimed at apple only. has no buttons, and no windows drivers.
2020-03-07T19:42:05 < englishman> thats for sure
2020-03-07T19:42:32 < BrainDamage> and yes, you can pick 'n place copper rivets to get PTH
2020-03-07T19:42:45 < BrainDamage> but they have to be punched
2020-03-07T19:43:03 < kakimir> zyp: what EDA you use?
2020-03-07T19:43:19 < boddax> zypeda
2020-03-07T19:44:02 < Steffanx> Every pro uses altidongs..
2020-03-07T19:44:05 < BrainDamage> if the z axis has sufficient ridigidy and strength, you could just attach an automatic center punch
2020-03-07T19:44:20 < BrainDamage> and drive it over every rivet
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2020-03-07T19:55:27 < kakimir> is there any grunt work I could help with zyp?
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2020-03-07T19:58:45 < bitmask> I was going to keep it a secret but I'll give you guys a good laugh...
2020-03-07T19:59:04 < kakimir> what did you do?
2020-03-07T19:59:18 < bitmask> I have to replace my macbook screen because Im an idiot and shot a magnet at the screen
2020-03-07T19:59:50 < Thorn> r/firstworldproblems
2020-03-07T19:59:51 < bitmask> I'm making a magnetic stirrer to save $30 and I went to test a part of it, it spun up a lot faster than I was expecting and before I knew it a magnet flew off right into my screen
2020-03-07T20:00:02 < bitmask> so now its a $400 stirrer
2020-03-07T20:00:32 < bitmask> it was 15mm from missing the screen too
2020-03-07T20:00:36 < bitmask> just hit the side
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2020-03-07T20:05:37 < BrainDamage> is the magnet coated with an inert material at least?
2020-03-07T20:07:23 < bitmask> its not the stir bar, its the part spinning the stir bar
2020-03-07T20:07:41 < bitmask> i didnt screw it on yet, just wanted to test the effective distance
2020-03-07T20:08:12 < bitmask> i ordered some ptfe coated stir bars
2020-03-07T20:09:45 < jpa-> sounds pretty dangerous if it spins fast enough to actually damage a screen
2020-03-07T20:09:56 < jpa-> and also, do macbook screens now cost $400?
2020-03-07T20:11:19 < bitmask> you can get a replacement (not from apple) for $350 for the panel itself, or about $500 for an easier repair that includes the whole assembly
2020-03-07T20:11:35 < bitmask> id rather save money and do more work
2020-03-07T20:11:53 < jpa-> yeah, still pretty expensive - is it retina screen or something?
2020-03-07T20:11:54 < bitmask> shipping is like 40 
2020-03-07T20:11:59 < bitmask> yea
2020-03-07T20:12:14 < jpa-> so you had too much money to start with :)
2020-03-07T20:12:37 < bitmask> heh yea, if only I spent less int he beginning I could be spending less now
2020-03-07T20:13:02 < bitmask> at least I dont have to go through apple, that would probably cost $1600
2020-03-07T20:13:59 < bitmask> well I finally got an order, time to make some money to pay for this, bbl
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2020-03-07T20:33:32 < karlp> englishman: the lpkf pcb mills are aligned jsut by having two peg holes you mount on an you just flip, works well enough
2020-03-07T20:33:50 < karlp> (still have to plug holes, but if that's the thing you need)
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2020-03-07T21:31:14 < englishman> amd so sekur omg intel is dying https://www.zdnet.com/article/amd-processors-from-2011-to-2019-vulnerable-to-two-new-attacks/
2020-03-07T21:33:25 < BrainDamage> http://blog.ptsecurity.com/2020/03/intelx86-root-of-trust-loss-of-trust.html this one is a bit more serious
2020-03-07T21:33:55 < zyp> bitmask, you don't got insurance that covers that?
2020-03-07T21:34:08 < englishman> is that another physical access required one
2020-03-07T21:34:25 < englishman> i think i read that the other day
2020-03-07T21:34:35 < englishman> with the 486
2020-03-07T21:36:02 < zyp> kakimir, you seriously interested?
2020-03-07T21:36:15 < kakimir> yes
2020-03-07T21:36:50 < BrainDamage> englishman: no, this one compromises TPM, DRM, ME and pretty much any kind of "secure computing" in the computer
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2020-03-07T21:37:20 < zyp> kakimir, if you're after a working solution, you should probably buy something that already exists and is designed by people who knows what they are doing
2020-03-07T21:37:29 < BrainDamage> and worse, if malware acquires root priviledges, it can use this to install itself semi-permanently
2020-03-07T21:37:43 < qyx> zyp: re nand emulator?
2020-03-07T21:37:46 < BrainDamage> because you can even override board firmware with that key bypass
2020-03-07T21:37:54 < zyp> qyx, re: my fpga shit
2020-03-07T21:38:00 < zyp> that currently only exists in my head
2020-03-07T21:38:00 < specing> BrainDamage: this is excellent
2020-03-07T21:38:13 < specing> BrainDamage: so we can finally install Libreboot without stripping down the box?
2020-03-07T21:38:17 < qyx> I meant what are you recommending to kaki
2020-03-07T21:38:32 < specing> err Coreboot
2020-03-07T21:38:37 < BrainDamage> specing: yes, you have to wait they compromise the subkey for your cpu series model
2020-03-07T21:38:50 < zyp> qyx, please clarify your question
2020-03-07T21:38:51 < BrainDamage> because you need that + cpu series key
2020-03-07T21:39:21 < BrainDamage> but that's a much more reasonable target
2020-03-07T21:41:43 < kakimir> zyp: there is nothing with usb3
2020-03-07T21:41:47 < zyp> kakimir, I mean, it'd be fun to do something together, but I'm not sure my timeline would work for you
2020-03-07T21:42:10 < kakimir> and is there anything with so-dimm?
2020-03-07T21:42:11 < zyp> since I'm flying to .jp for three weeks tomorrow
2020-03-07T21:42:20 < kakimir> ye
2020-03-07T21:43:47 < qyx> sry I was lost
2020-03-07T21:43:59 < qyx> now I understand when I found kakis question
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2020-03-07T21:48:06 < zyp> kakimir, what nand is it you want to emulate anyway? my understanding is that they have some sort of flow control so you don't need to worry that much about timing, am I wrong?
2020-03-07T21:48:22 < kakimir> there is busy
2020-03-07T21:48:30 < kakimir> after operations that access the flash
2020-03-07T21:48:33 < zyp> as in, there's probably a command state machine that requires tight timing, but not the data path itself
2020-03-07T21:48:42 < kakimir> but the page buffer needs to be delayless
2020-03-07T21:49:15 < kakimir> only 2112bytes need to be accessable with next cycle
2020-03-07T21:49:20 < zyp> so there's a command to put a page into a buffer, and then it's fed out without flow control?
2020-03-07T21:49:49 < kakimir> yes
2020-03-07T21:50:10 < kakimir> asynchronous \RE falling edge
2020-03-07T21:50:17 < zyp> 2112 bytes? why not power of two?
2020-03-07T21:50:23 < zyp> 2048 + header?
2020-03-07T21:50:24 < kakimir> ecc
2020-03-07T21:50:27 < zyp> ah
2020-03-07T21:51:13 < kakimir> I think I could draw ECP5 board without sodimm
2020-03-07T21:51:23 < kakimir> that could be within my skills
2020-03-07T21:52:00 < zyp> so basically you need a 2k buffer, something to hook it to a data source and something to feed it out when read
2020-03-07T21:52:28 < zyp> that sounds like something that'd fit in an ice40
2020-03-07T21:52:47 < kakimir> ideally I would go without usb3.0 phy
2020-03-07T21:52:59 < zyp> why would you need usb3?
2020-03-07T21:53:50 < kakimir> it makes the board more usable
2020-03-07T21:54:16 < zyp> my understanding is that usb3 on ecp5 serdes is very experimental at the moment
2020-03-07T21:54:27 < upgrdman> are there any cellular modules that make it easy for an MCU to transmit a few Mbps of data to a server?
2020-03-07T21:54:28 < kakimir> maybe with phy then
2020-03-07T21:54:47 < zyp> upgrdman, like sim900 or whatever?
2020-03-07T21:54:53 < upgrdman> k
2020-03-07T21:56:13 < zyp> I mean, I guess that's pretty old, you might want to look at some LTE cat-m or cat-nb nowadays
2020-03-07T21:56:38 < zyp> not cat-nb if you want megabits
2020-03-07T21:58:00 < zyp> I think nrf has some interesting cat-m parts
2020-03-07T21:58:36 < zyp> haven't used them, but I once helped review a design using one
2020-03-07T22:01:53 < qyx> upgrdman: quacktel ec20/ec21
2020-03-07T22:02:06 < qyx> those (or similar) should be LTE cat4/cat6 modules
2020-03-07T22:02:30 < qyx> but you need USB host for that
2020-03-07T22:02:43 < qyx> I have never seen a module with other interface
2020-03-07T22:03:26 < upgrdman> hmm k
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2020-03-07T22:15:09 < boddax> who kill me first corona virus or asteroid 1998 OR2 on april 29 ..i like more the asteroid
2020-03-07T22:18:36 < zyp> nrf9160 was the thing I saw
2020-03-07T22:19:17 < Steffanx> ublox must have something. Dont they all do uart/AT-commands?
2020-03-07T22:20:22 < qyx> yes but "few mbps" is not very convenient over UART
2020-03-07T22:20:47 < Steffanx> oh that might complicate stuff a bit indeed
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2020-03-07T22:21:07 < Steffanx> unless it's a few mbps for a short amount of time :P
2020-03-07T22:21:47 < zyp> it better be, otherwise it gets expensibe quickly :p
2020-03-07T22:22:21 < qyx> also SIM7020
2020-03-07T22:22:29 < qyx> or 7010 or whatevre
2020-03-07T22:22:58 < zyp> 1 Mb/s continously is just a bit shy of 11 GB/day
2020-03-07T22:23:29 < Steffanx> upgrdman is a moneyed westener. he can pay for it easily
2020-03-07T22:24:11 < qyx> one operator here offers unlimited LTE for about 20€/mo
2020-03-07T22:24:20 < qyx> "unlimited" means 300G
2020-03-07T22:24:26 < qyx> but still a plenty
2020-03-07T22:24:27 < Steffanx> unlimited with limited speed?
2020-03-07T22:24:31 < zyp> apparently nrf9160 will only do like 300kb/s of actual throughput
2020-03-07T22:24:34 < qyx> no, full speed up to 300G
2020-03-07T22:24:36 < zyp> so I guess that's ruled out
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2020-03-07T22:28:11 < upgrdman> that's cool. in the us, tmobile is the cheapest choice. "unlimited 4g" is $70/month. throttles after 50GB/month, but still pretty usable when throttled.
2020-03-07T22:28:27 < Steffanx> oh it seems we have to too for 5 euro bucks more, not too bad qyx
2020-03-07T22:28:48 < Steffanx> oh that's excl VAT. so add 20% more
2020-03-07T22:28:51 < upgrdman> google fi is also $70/month, but they SEVERELY throttle after 15GB/month (256kbps)
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2020-03-07T22:29:38 < upgrdman> only nice thing about google fi is there roaming data is as fast as local data. tmobile roaming data is slow as shit unless you pay extra
2020-03-07T22:29:46 < kakigate> google.fi
2020-03-07T22:29:48 < kakigate> ?
2020-03-07T22:30:02 < upgrdman> google project fi
2020-03-07T22:30:15 < aandrew> word
2020-03-07T22:30:44 < upgrdman> i wonder if these cheap euro 4g plans work internationally. maybe i should buy a euro sim and just use it in usa/china
2020-03-07T22:30:51 < qyx> The Nordic Thingy:91 is an easy-to-use cellular IoT prototyping platform
2020-03-07T22:30:52 < qyx> uh
2020-03-07T22:31:01 < qyx> upgrdman: no
2020-03-07T22:31:13 < upgrdman> k :/ figures.
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2020-03-07T22:36:09 < karlp> do they not _work_ just not with free billing?
2020-03-07T22:36:12 < AndrevS> qyx, The Nordic Thingy:91, do you have one? 
2020-03-07T22:36:21 < karlp> I mean, you don't get eu roaming, but ... otherwise?
2020-03-07T22:44:36 < qyx> otherwise I would say they work as always worked
2020-03-07T22:45:41 < Laurenceb> til muricans change their engine oil every 3000 miles
2020-03-07T22:45:46 < Laurenceb> the state of murica...
2020-03-07T22:47:32 < karlp> man, why the fuck is 0,0 outside the top left of the frame in kicad pcb by default? why would that be a helpful defualt?
2020-03-07T22:47:37 < doomba> 3000 miles?
2020-03-07T22:47:40 < doomba> datz crazy
2020-03-07T22:47:42 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, lol. most don't
2020-03-07T22:47:54 < doomba> i change my oil when it's running like shit
2020-03-07T22:47:57 < upgrdman> 5-6k more likely. if nothing else, to be cheap
2020-03-07T22:48:02 < doomba> or the dip stick looks bad
2020-03-07T22:48:22 < doomba> the 3000 miles thing is normie consumer scam
2020-03-07T22:48:28 < Laurenceb> my oil was last changed in 2016
2020-03-07T22:48:33 < doomba> to keep people rotating through the oil change places
2020-03-07T22:48:56 < zyp> I think I did it once a year when I still had a car needing that
2020-03-07T22:49:06 < zyp> or more like I were meaning to but lazy
2020-03-07T22:49:08 < Laurenceb> that was probably part of the reason the camshaft was shit
2020-03-07T22:49:36 < zyp> Laurenceb, when are you scrapping the shit and buying a tesla? we know you're a musk fanboy
2020-03-07T22:49:42 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-07T22:49:57 < Laurenceb> I was going to try "chiptuning"
2020-03-07T22:50:12 < Laurenceb> everything looks like really nasty avr based hacks
2020-03-07T22:50:20 < zyp> probably is too
2020-03-07T22:50:28 < Laurenceb> looks like fun tho
2020-03-07T22:51:09 < zyp> I replaced the ECU in my old car with some aftermarket DIY shit
2020-03-07T22:51:36 < zyp> was fun to mess around with, but eh
2020-03-07T22:51:49 < Steffanx> You volvo?
2020-03-07T22:51:56 < zyp> yes
2020-03-07T22:52:08 < Steffanx> The good old car. It's scrapped now?
2020-03-07T22:52:27 < zyp> four years ago
2020-03-07T22:52:49 < doomba> "when i still had a car needing that"
2020-03-07T22:52:56 < doomba> before you switched to elysium vehicle
2020-03-07T22:52:59 < zyp> doomba, that as in oil changes
2020-03-07T22:52:59 < doomba> err electricvehicle
2020-03-07T22:53:55 < kakigate> chiptuning is totally whack Laurenceb
2020-03-07T22:54:12 < kakigate> ecutuning is for real men
2020-03-07T22:54:21 < Laurenceb> yeah thats what I figured
2020-03-07T22:54:39 < Laurenceb> is there eeprom on the ecu to store settings?
2020-03-07T22:56:15 < kakigate> idk
2020-03-07T22:56:32 < kakigate> there is microcontroller
2020-03-07T22:56:52 < Laurenceb> its got a sid804
2020-03-07T22:56:55 < qyx> AndrevS: no
2020-03-07T22:59:56 < qyx> so, it is about time to start messing with LoRaWAN
2020-03-07T23:00:16 < kakigate> http://wiki.obdtuning.com/index.php?title=File:Siemens_SID_804_Platine1.jpg
2020-03-07T23:00:26 < qyx> is there anyone else besides englishman with strong LoRa expertise?
2020-03-07T23:02:23 < kakigate> Laurenceb: mpps and winols
2020-03-07T23:02:51 < Laurenceb> googoling
2020-03-07T23:03:32 < karlp> a friend of mine sells aftermarket ecus for jeeps, runs arm7 shit.
2020-03-07T23:04:36 < Laurenceb> oh nice, winols looks like what I want
2020-03-07T23:05:28 < karlp> "I know how the arm7 shit works, I'm not moving to a new part, even if it costs less and does more"
2020-03-07T23:06:44 < aandrew> karlp: some of that shit is arm R series, which you can't just switch away from easily
2020-03-07T23:07:13 < aandrew> and there's usually also supply chain agreements too, like this exact part done on this exact process will be available for 10y
2020-03-07T23:07:45 < karlp> no, this is "made by baldur" it's really arm7tdmi stuff, he's just choosing not to.
2020-03-07T23:08:08 < karlp> he's not doing ECUs for a 1000pax company 
2020-03-07T23:08:21 < karlp> https://controls.is/shop/
2020-03-07T23:13:26 < aandrew> ah I see
2020-03-07T23:14:57 < karlp> well respected in this community: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnzL75-vJ1c
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2020-03-07T23:15:45 < aandrew> karlp: damn
2020-03-07T23:15:57 < karlp> it's kidna nuts :)
2020-03-07T23:16:25 < aandrew> KFC made it
2020-03-07T23:16:40 < karlp> KFC is one of the grand old players.
2020-03-07T23:16:52 < aandrew> that is fucking NUTS, wow
2020-03-07T23:18:10 < karlp> so yeah, 10 year supply chain isn't really the priority :)
2020-03-07T23:19:08 < karlp> you can see KFC lose a wheel on the hydroplane track
2020-03-07T23:22:20 < doomba> lol
2020-03-07T23:22:34 < doomba> yeah and then they kept going like "wheel? ah fuck it."
2020-03-07T23:41:33 < qyx> 2 new coronas today, 200% increase
2020-03-07T23:44:43 < qyx> is jadew still alive?
2020-03-07T23:44:49 < qyx> or quarantined with no interwebs
2020-03-07T23:51:49 < upgrdman> Laurenceb and dongs will prolly like this clothing store i walked by  https://imgur.com/a/x90o3mR
2020-03-07T23:52:36 < qyx> upgrdman: what do you need the LTE thing for?
2020-03-07T23:53:33 < upgrdman> qyx, toying with the idea of transmitting telemetry to a server so i can monitor shit from anywhere. could be useful at work.
2020-03-07T23:54:44 < qyx> are you targetting any particular application?
2020-03-07T23:54:58 < qyx> you said few mbps, thats quite a low of telemetry
2020-03-07T23:55:02 < qyx> *lot
2020-03-07T23:55:09 < upgrdman> streaming debug shit
2020-03-07T23:55:14 < qyx> oh
2020-03-07T23:55:36 < upgrdman> ya. 921600baud really, but it'd be nice to have some extra speed
2020-03-07T23:55:51 < qyx> then yeah, lte-m is probably the way
2020-03-07T23:56:03 < qyx> but check the coverage
2020-03-07T23:56:09 < qyx> we have nb-iot only afaik
2020-03-07T23:56:44 < qyx> or lte cat1
2020-03-07T23:57:02 < upgrdman> it might be easiest if i look into android/usb-otg, and just use an old smartphone to forward shit it reads from usb-otg
2020-03-07T23:57:27 < upgrdman> and i have a few old 4g phones just collecting dust
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2020-03-08T01:03:25 < jly> good morning stefffan
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2020-03-08T01:04:59 < Steffanx> Gooday jly. Did you wipe your arse yet?
2020-03-08T01:05:50 < jly> no we have no toilet paper
2020-03-08T01:06:02 < jly> I was help up at gunpoint yesterday at the supermarket
2020-03-08T01:06:09 < jly> had to go back home with no toilet paper :(
2020-03-08T01:06:16 < zyp> aww
2020-03-08T01:06:41 < jly> there is a new type of adult onset autism in australia, I believe it's a mutation of the coronavirus
2020-03-08T01:06:48 < jly> something to do with toilet paper....
2020-03-08T01:07:43 < zyp> just went through a bunch of boxes finding various travel stuff
2020-03-08T01:08:12 < zyp> and I'm realizing I've got a fuckton of shit I need to organize
2020-03-08T01:08:36 < zyp> shit that I haven't bothered looking for since I moved
2020-03-08T01:09:27 < zyp> and I'm not only talking about shit I don't need, also shit I sometimes thinks «oh, I should have had that now, where did it go?» but never bother looking for
2020-03-08T01:09:30 < Steffanx> The joy when you find things you forgotten about
2020-03-08T01:09:39 < Steffanx> Youve
2020-03-08T01:09:49 < zyp> yeah
2020-03-08T01:10:07 < zyp> I found some tools and stuff I've been missing
2020-03-08T01:10:10 < zyp> like my desk vise
2020-03-08T01:10:16 < jly> i need to buy a rifle
2020-03-08T01:10:31 < Steffanx> Qt
2020-03-08T01:10:40 < Steffanx> Whops
2020-03-08T01:10:56 < Steffanx> No you dont jly. I dont trust you with one
2020-03-08T01:10:57 < zyp> dug out a whole pile of RAM mount parts too
2020-03-08T01:11:06 < Steffanx> Cant even handle a theepot, jly.
2020-03-08T01:11:13 < zyp> some of those are useful when travelling
2020-03-08T01:11:26 < zyp> and they were spread between multiple boxes
2020-03-08T01:11:43 < zyp> so I dug it all out, grabbed what I need and dumped the rest in a new box and labelled it
2020-03-08T01:12:29 < Steffanx> Box label: eventually useful things I will certainly forget I even had it
2020-03-08T01:13:01 < zyp> true
2020-03-08T01:13:28 < zyp> part of the problem is that the boxes are mainly organized by time
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2020-03-08T01:14:11 < zyp> they've been through three moves and been partly unpacked and then repacked
2020-03-08T01:14:37 < Laurenceb> muh Qt app
2020-03-08T01:14:43 < Laurenceb> database all the babbyshake
2020-03-08T01:15:07 < Steffanx> But only after doing some crappifilly 
2020-03-08T01:15:12 < zyp> I've got a ton of e.g. usb cables, but they are all over the place
2020-03-08T01:15:12 < Laurenceb> 1) muh sensorz 2) muh app 3) muh database 4) ??? 5) muh results 
2020-03-08T01:15:31 < Laurenceb> database therefore success
2020-03-08T01:15:41 < zyp> I've also got a box labelled USB that contains USB shit, but that's older than everything else, most of the contents of that is so old it's useless
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2020-03-08T01:17:25 < Steffanx> USB B never gets old
2020-03-08T01:17:29 < Laurenceb> if we collect moar data then put it all in the database then amazing things will happen
2020-03-08T01:17:44 < Laurenceb> like cure for cancer by feeding it into an AI
2020-03-08T01:17:53 < Laurenceb> like IBM Watson
2020-03-08T01:17:57 < Laurenceb>  /s
2020-03-08T01:18:46 < Steffanx> Dont be so negative about your awesome (old) job Laurenceb  :P
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2020-03-08T01:19:06 < Laurenceb> the Renaissance began in 1200 when Mark Zuckerberg invented the time series database
2020-03-08T01:19:06 < Steffanx> Hows your Russian gf holding up?
2020-03-08T01:19:14 < Laurenceb> kek she went home aiui
2020-03-08T01:19:21 < Laurenceb> also jobless
2020-03-08T01:19:33 < BrainDamage> did you shag her at least once?
2020-03-08T01:19:44 < Steffanx> Oh they retired the entire project?
2020-03-08T01:19:45 < Laurenceb> was going to hang out in Siberia and learn MMA fighting or something..
2020-03-08T01:19:47 < Laurenceb> yes
2020-03-08T01:19:55 < Laurenceb> ^ to Steffanx
2020-03-08T01:20:17 < Steffanx> Lol. No to mr bd I bet
2020-03-08T01:20:41 < Laurenceb> she had scars on her face from MMA fighting...
2020-03-08T01:20:49 < Laurenceb> crazy nasty bitch
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2020-03-08T01:22:07 < tomeaton17> based and red pilled
2020-03-08T01:22:11 < Laurenceb> babbyshake: not as retarded as reddit but damn it was close
2020-03-08T01:22:17 < Laurenceb> sheet what are you doing here
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2020-03-08T01:22:27 < Laurenceb> are you still at Nottingham?
2020-03-08T01:23:11 < tomeaton17> me?
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2020-03-08T01:23:31 < Laurenceb> yes
2020-03-08T01:23:52 < tomeaton17> I was never at nottingham am in 2nd year at manchester reading eee
2020-03-08T01:24:39 < Laurenceb> doh
2020-03-08T01:24:50 < Laurenceb> I confused you for someone at Nottingham uni lol
2020-03-08T01:25:07 < Laurenceb> phew that was getting a bit too close for comfort lmao
2020-03-08T01:25:09 < Steffanx> Do we have more of those?
2020-03-08T01:25:30 < tomeaton17> I see
2020-03-08T01:25:58 < Laurenceb> protip: avoid working at Nottingham uni
2020-03-08T01:26:14 < tomeaton17> nottingham has actually gone above manchester in the eee rankings it wasnt when I applied
2020-03-08T01:26:21 < tomeaton17> I am planning to do my masters at imperial
2020-03-08T01:26:24 < Laurenceb> weird
2020-03-08T01:26:29 < Laurenceb> yeah Imperial is pro
2020-03-08T01:26:40 < Laurenceb> but I was Physics undergrad
2020-03-08T01:27:08 < Laurenceb> then did PhD on medical stuff, and got involved in stupid research projects, its a long story...
2020-03-08T01:27:13 < tomeaton17> There was a really cool applied machine learning course in the eee department there
2020-03-08T01:27:24 < Steffanx> And now you have your PhD in crappifilly or babyshaking?
2020-03-08T01:27:28 < BrainDamage> embrace extend and estinguish?
2020-03-08T01:28:05 < Laurenceb> tomeaton17: sounds good
2020-03-08T01:28:16 < Laurenceb> Steffanx: nah those were both research projects
2020-03-08T01:28:24 < tomeaton17> They require above a 75% average though
2020-03-08T01:28:36 < Laurenceb> luckily I managed to avoid my thesis getting turned into nonsense, but it was v tricky
2020-03-08T01:28:40 < Steffanx> Big datuuh is all tomeaton17 needs
2020-03-08T01:28:58 < Laurenceb> literally half the other guys and gals quit their PhDs
2020-03-08T01:29:19 < Laurenceb> one guy literally has his research project stolen by an assistant prof
2020-03-08T01:30:04 < Laurenceb> I was pretty naive when I signed up as a grad student, its not like undergrad where everyone is nice to you and its well managed
2020-03-08T01:30:05 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: Its either that or Analogue and Digital Integrated Circuit Design
2020-03-08T01:30:21 < tomeaton17> but I thought machine learning is in demand now right?
2020-03-08T01:30:44 < Steffanx> Fuck demand
2020-03-08T01:31:12 < Laurenceb> I signed up for two PhDs before I started my medical sensing work
2020-03-08T01:31:37 < tomeaton17> Oh well I want to have a job
2020-03-08T01:31:47 < Laurenceb> quit the first one as there was ~0 supervision and I didnt know what I was supposed to be doing, quit second one as I was being micromanaged
2020-03-08T01:31:52 < Laurenceb> lol good idea 
2020-03-08T01:32:08 < Steffanx> A job you like tomeaton17 
2020-03-08T01:32:47 < tomeaton17> Well I do like machine learning stuff
2020-03-08T01:33:37 < englishman> Laurenceb: don't fucking modify your old ass car
2020-03-08T01:34:18 < tomeaton17> the company I did my internship with are contracting me to install the door system I made at another site so I could get a job there
2020-03-08T01:34:27 < Laurenceb> englishman: its fun lol
2020-03-08T01:35:12 < tomeaton17> I also had an stm32 module last semester
2020-03-08T01:35:19 < tomeaton17> but it was using mbed cmonBruh
2020-03-08T01:36:10 < Laurenceb> PhD tales: guy comes over from Mexico on Mexican gov grant, spends ages learning english, doesnt know anyone etc, puts loads of work in, studying for PhD looking at greenhouse automation to increase crop yields
2020-03-08T01:36:55 < Laurenceb> after one year, his assistant supervisor gets grant funding to do the research himself, tells Mexican guy to fuck off and build "a weatherstation"
2020-03-08T01:37:11 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, got any screenshits of your qt sensor viz app?
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2020-03-08T01:37:20 < upgrdman> i want to judge your work
2020-03-08T01:37:29 < Laurenceb> Mexican guy doesnt know wtf is going on, quits and goes home after another 6 months
2020-03-08T01:37:34 < Laurenceb> hmm maybes...
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2020-03-08T01:39:39 < Laurenceb> shit, maybe the supervisor was Trump in disguise 
2020-03-08T01:40:31 < Laurenceb> upgrdman: https://imagebin.ca/v/5EqXGJdCcRIP
2020-03-08T01:40:42 < Laurenceb> amazing featurez
2020-03-08T01:41:54 < upgrdman> haha ok
2020-03-08T01:42:05 < Laurenceb> https://imagebin.ca/v/5EqXiPo9pD0a
2020-03-08T01:42:11 < upgrdman> i like how "connected" is in a spinner box
2020-03-08T01:42:22 < upgrdman> like you can just scroll through the states, haha
2020-03-08T01:42:24 < BrainDamage> the horseecg had a bit more design
2020-03-08T01:42:42 < Laurenceb> upgrdman: yeah so you can see wtf is going on when it breaks
2020-03-08T01:44:49 < Laurenceb> its supposed to be n00b friendly, so it automatically finds and syncs to usb sensors, usb gps, bluetooth gps, bluetooth odb2, bluetooth remote displays and usb audio sources
2020-03-08T01:45:02 < Laurenceb> so all the nasty annoying shit was in the backend
2020-03-08T01:55:40 < kakigate> lurence: how is money?
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2020-03-08T01:59:23 < antto> <positive denormal number>
2020-03-08T02:03:17 < kakigate> BrainDamage: how is quarantine?
2020-03-08T02:04:45 < kakigate> I think by now your town is included?
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2020-03-08T02:10:01 < BrainDamage> we have 6 infected in 100k people, still not fully quarantined
2020-03-08T02:10:02 < jly> the autism attack is severe
2020-03-08T02:10:40 < BrainDamage> but things like masses are cancelled, any non essential medical service, schools are suspended until april, etc
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2020-03-08T02:10:54 < jly> here i am with muh humanized anti-CD20 monoclonal antibodies and not having a covid19 autism seizure
2020-03-08T02:10:54 < englishman> it's ok
2020-03-08T02:11:00 < englishman> you're already infected
2020-03-08T02:11:19 < jly> i'm more susceptible than most for this bat aids thing
2020-03-08T02:11:49 < BrainDamage> it's not thhat unlikely though, my newphews had flu ~ 2 weeks ago
2020-03-08T02:12:01 < BrainDamage> felt queasy for a day, then passed
2020-03-08T02:12:19 < jly> yeah i think i have a cold, it usually goes away in 2 days but my immune system has taken long service leave
2020-03-08T02:12:46 < BrainDamage> I have a ridicolously strong immune system, my whole family has, my parents and my sisters too
2020-03-08T02:12:53 < jly> i had too lol
2020-03-08T02:13:08 < BrainDamage> I had a trip to turkey where we all ate the same things, all my friends got salmonella and I didn't
2020-03-08T02:13:40 < Cracki> did they eat plague rats?
2020-03-08T02:13:40 < jly> indeed
2020-03-08T02:13:53 < Cracki> what is there to eat in turkey
2020-03-08T02:13:58 < doomba> turkey
2020-03-08T02:14:02 < jly> ^
2020-03-08T02:14:12 < Cracki> I think we had this exact conversation before
2020-03-08T02:14:25 < Laurenceb> how does gender intersect with forest fires?
2020-03-08T02:14:38 < Cracki> itchy bush
2020-03-08T02:15:10 < doomba> intersectionalism and forest fires have very much in common, usually it is when a dumpster catches on fire and burns down a nearby forest.
2020-03-08T02:16:37 < kakigate> iskender kebab
2020-03-08T02:16:43 < kakigate> the best
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2020-03-08T02:17:58 < Cracki> kebab around here is either chicken or calf/beef. no lamb.
2020-03-08T02:18:28 < BrainDamage> I've had mutton kebab in turkey
2020-03-08T02:19:01 < Cracki> and the kebab dude around the corner was out of beef at 9pm, 10pm is closing time
2020-03-08T02:19:05 < Cracki> how's mutton
2020-03-08T02:19:57 < jly> do you know davie504 BrainDamage 
2020-03-08T02:20:52 < kakigate> kebab is mystery meat
2020-03-08T02:20:55 < jly> i think he is going to jail for eating a pineapple pizza in italy
2020-03-08T02:21:00 < kakigate> don't ask
2020-03-08T02:21:23 < Laurenceb> https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1410509-norf-fc
2020-03-08T02:21:49 < jly> is that some brit thing?
2020-03-08T02:21:59 < Laurenceb> https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1413677-norf-fc
2020-03-08T02:22:01 < Laurenceb> yes
2020-03-08T02:22:25 < jly> hmmmm
2020-03-08T02:22:49 < Laurenceb> https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1413690-norf-fc
2020-03-08T02:22:52 < Cracki> if it were just kids in kebab, but they do things to the little girls before they kebab them!
2020-03-08T02:23:03 < jly> I never understood the ones you posted ages ago
2020-03-08T02:23:37 < jly> have you got any australian coronavirus toilet paper memez
2020-03-08T02:23:52 < Laurenceb> https://news.knowyourmeme.com/photos/1505317-norf-fc
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2020-03-08T02:24:51 < jly> that's not it
2020-03-08T02:27:55 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/misterantibully/status/1220797491400052738
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2020-03-08T02:34:50 < Laurenceb> > Communist Lung Herpes
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2020-03-08T02:54:19 < BrainDamage> jly: nope
2020-03-08T02:56:01 < jly> i see
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2020-03-08T03:01:24 < jadew> happy woman's day
2020-03-08T03:01:32 < jadew> what did you guys buy for your women?
2020-03-08T03:02:08 < jly> a pump to blow her up
2020-03-08T03:02:20 < jadew> hah
2020-03-08T03:02:28 < jadew> inspired gift
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2020-03-08T03:35:24 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1236342831217815552
2020-03-08T03:39:34 < specing> Lol jly 
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2020-03-08T03:47:25 < Laurenceb> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51774777
2020-03-08T03:47:31 < Laurenceb> radfem virus
2020-03-08T03:50:02 < Laurenceb> https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Geek_Feminism_Wiki
2020-03-08T03:50:13 < Laurenceb> wtf I love rational wiki now
2020-03-08T03:50:54 < Laurenceb> >category: someone is wrong on the internet
2020-03-08T03:50:57 < Laurenceb> kek'd
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2020-03-08T04:04:10 < Cracki> isn't that all of rationalwiki
2020-03-08T04:04:36 < Laurenceb> >everyone else is wrong, but not us, the wiki
2020-03-08T04:05:06 < jadew> are you worried about ncov?
2020-03-08T04:05:16 < jadew> didn't you hear that it's just the flu?
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2020-03-08T05:29:39 < Spirit532> Has anyone used the HRTIM as a timebase source directly?
2020-03-08T05:31:08 < Spirit532> ah wait that's not how it works
2020-03-08T05:31:26 < Spirit532> it's 6/7 timers with output compares magic'd together
2020-03-08T05:31:32 < Spirit532> not actually high resolution timer
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2020-03-08T09:29:48 < jpa-> Spirit532: it's basically 144 MHz timer + 32-stage multiphase logic element; but only for output, not for input
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2020-03-08T09:42:07 < Spirit532> is there an elegant way to handle crosstalk?
2020-03-08T09:42:38 < Spirit532> I have one of the ADC input pins shorted to ground, so I was thinking of sampling interleaved, with a useful channel separated by the shorted channel
2020-03-08T09:42:42 < Spirit532> which should discharge the internal cap
2020-03-08T09:43:06 < Spirit532> but I'm not sure how to do that with CubeIDE(not very good with HAL) and DMA/continuous conversion
2020-03-08T09:43:21 < Spirit532> if I just set up regular conversion with interleaved channels, I still get massive crosstalk
2020-03-08T09:44:06 < jpa-> Spirit532: AFAIK STM32 ADC automatically discharges the cap between measurements anyway
2020-03-08T09:44:12 < Spirit532> it does not
2020-03-08T09:44:17 < Spirit532> I get ridiculous crosstalk
2020-03-08T09:44:19 < Spirit532> hundreds of LSB
2020-03-08T09:44:42 < jpa-> that sounds like some other problem - is your input impedance ridicuously high?
2020-03-08T09:45:18 < Spirit532> 100 ohms, pulled up to 5V through some single-digit kohm resistors
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2020-03-08T09:45:30 < Spirit532> the 100 ohms is there because there's a zener to protect the input
2020-03-08T09:45:32 < jpa-> and how long sample time?
2020-03-08T09:45:42 < Spirit532> apparently doesn't matter
2020-03-08T09:45:52 < Spirit532> tried everything from 2.5 cycles to 640 cycles
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2020-03-08T09:45:58 < jpa-> then it definitely sounds you have some other problem there
2020-03-08T09:45:59 < Spirit532> clocked slowly, clocked quickly
2020-03-08T09:46:04 < Spirit532> and I don't know what the issue is
2020-03-08T09:46:14 < jpa-> does the correct signal get through at all?
2020-03-08T09:46:21 < Spirit532> there's just crosstalk, and it's so severe that it's triggering the comparators also on the same pins
2020-03-08T09:46:26 < Spirit532> yes, the signal does get through
2020-03-08T09:46:28 < jpa-> and which STM32 is this?
2020-03-08T09:46:31 < Spirit532> stm32g474
2020-03-08T09:47:33 < jpa-> have you noted the ADC related erratas?
2020-03-08T09:47:41 < Spirit532> which ones?
2020-03-08T09:47:43 < Spirit532> what do they say?
2020-03-08T09:47:45 < jpa-> especially "The result of an ADC conversion done more than 1 ms later than the previous ADC conversion or ADC calibration
2020-03-08T09:47:46 < jpa-> might be incorrect.
2020-03-08T09:48:02 < jpa-> also "ADC input channel switching disturbs ongoing conversions"
2020-03-08T09:48:16 < Spirit532> 1ms later... but
2020-03-08T09:48:24 < Spirit532> I'm running continuous conversions
2020-03-08T09:48:26 < jpa-> ok
2020-03-08T09:48:36 < Spirit532> does it have to calibrate every 1ms!?
2020-03-08T09:48:57 < jpa-> nope, just not have long pauses
2020-03-08T09:49:10 < jpa-> do you have rev Z or rev Y device? it's the last character on the line with part number
2020-03-08T09:49:23 < jpa-> rev Y has most of the erratas fixed anyway
2020-03-08T09:49:35 < Spirit532> Z
2020-03-08T09:57:16 < Spirit532> https://i.spirit.re/B0Q1Z.png
2020-03-08T09:57:21 < Spirit532> here's my config
2020-03-08T09:57:32 < Spirit532> each channel is interleaved with sampling of CH3, which is shorted directly to VSS
2020-03-08T09:58:53 < jpa-> does your perceived crosstalk change if you change the order of the channels?
2020-03-08T09:59:25 < Spirit532> seems so
2020-03-08T09:59:27 < Spirit532> let me check
2020-03-08T09:59:43 < jpa-> i never had to interleave ground samplings like that, and i haven't seen crosstalk that would be visible over the normal ~3 LSB noise
2020-03-08T09:59:54 < jpa-> but i haven't used G4
2020-03-08T10:02:15 < Spirit532> it seems static
2020-03-08T10:02:17 < Spirit532> but just /wrong/
2020-03-08T10:03:04 < jpa-> are you using multiple ADCs simultaneously or something advanced like that?
2020-03-08T10:03:25 < Spirit532> only one, see pic 
2020-03-08T10:06:11 < Spirit532> what's strange is that the output seems to go wonky only when it changes dramatically
2020-03-08T10:06:40 < jpa-> are you using DMA?
2020-03-08T10:06:44 < Spirit532> yes
2020-03-08T10:06:51 < Spirit532> circular half word continuous
2020-03-08T10:07:03 < Spirit532> into uint16_t[]
2020-03-08T10:07:08 < jpa-> https://community.st.com/s/question/0D50X0000BVnBhASQV/bug-report-dma-and-adc-initialization-order-changed-in-stm32f4-hal-v1241-causing-incorrect-adc-operation   there is this cube bug
2020-03-08T10:10:04 < Spirit532> nope, DMA first here
2020-03-08T10:10:18 < Spirit532> when ADC is initialized first, it doesn't work at all
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2020-03-08T10:12:14 < jpa-> do you have a hex dump of your wonky data?
2020-03-08T10:12:31 < Spirit532> what's strange is that when the ADC is started, and the two channels I'm looking at are 0 on the board(or close to it anyway), I get okish readings
2020-03-08T10:12:37 < Spirit532> 15 on one, 50 on the other
2020-03-08T10:12:42 < Spirit532> out of 2^12
2020-03-08T10:12:51 < jpa-> that's pretty far out of correct already
2020-03-08T10:13:09 < Spirit532> but as soon as one of the channels goes high(4Vish), that channel gets stuck around the high values
2020-03-08T10:13:20 < jpa-> 4V? the adc input range is only up to 3.3V?
2020-03-08T10:13:37 < Spirit532> it was specified as 5v-tolerant
2020-03-08T10:13:42 < Spirit532> ... did I fry it?
2020-03-08T10:13:46 < jpa-> read the footnotes :)
2020-03-08T10:14:06 < Spirit532> so I'm guessing this adc is just toast after this?
2020-03-08T10:15:13 < jpa-> could be, though hard to know
2020-03-08T10:15:29 < Spirit532> nope, they are not
2020-03-08T10:15:47 < Spirit532> unplugged the input, got good readings
2020-03-08T10:16:05 < Spirit532> around 0(a few lsb) when floating
2020-03-08T10:16:26 < Spirit532> ~3800 when connected to 5V, which is immediately clamped by the 3.3v zener
2020-03-08T10:16:33 < jpa-> looks like STM32G474 datasheet is particularly bad at telling the ADC input voltage range - some other devices have had notes in the pin definition table
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2020-03-08T10:17:59 < PaulFertser> Is there any stm32 part where one can measure voltages more than Vdda? How can it be possible with SAR?
2020-03-08T10:18:00 < Spirit532> had a minor disconnect
2020-03-08T10:18:09 < Spirit532> okay, so the zeners still work
2020-03-08T10:18:21 < Spirit532> it clamps to just under 3.3, 3.15V
2020-03-08T10:18:25 < Spirit532> which is plenty here
2020-03-08T10:18:30 < Spirit532> and I did NOT fry the adc
2020-03-08T10:20:07 < jpa-> PaulFertser: yeah, it's quite clear also from datasheet that conversion range is from 0 to Vref+ (with is Vdda typically); but it's not quite clear whether higher voltages are allowed - some of the ADC pins are declared as 5V-tolerant and no footnote saying "not in analog mode" like on other STM32 devices
2020-03-08T10:20:58 < PaulFertser> jpa-: indeed. I'm not fully woken up but I kinda have an impression Spirit532 wanted to actually measure that rather than just tolerate.
2020-03-08T10:21:12 < Spirit532> sorry, no, I don't
2020-03-08T10:21:18 < Spirit532> just tolerate, but externally protected
2020-03-08T10:22:31 < jpa-> is your Vref+ btw. the Vdda (3.3V?) or are you using VREFBUF to run it at 2.5V reference?
2020-03-08T10:22:33 < Spirit532> low input is 50-60mv, high is 2400-2500mv
2020-03-08T10:23:07 < Spirit532> and I've set "VREFBUF MODE" to "External Voltage Reference", VREF+ shorted to VDDA+
2020-03-08T10:23:14 < Spirit532> directly across the qfp pins
2020-03-08T10:23:21 < Spirit532> with a decoupling cap right next to it
2020-03-08T10:23:27 < jpa-> ok
2020-03-08T10:23:28 < PaulFertser> Why are you using a zener and not just regular clamp diode to vdda for protection?
2020-03-08T10:23:44 < Spirit532> that's a question for past me.
2020-03-08T10:24:18 < jpa-> zener does have it advantages
2020-03-08T10:24:32 < Spirit532> plus clamping TO vdda would send any external spikes straight into the micro
2020-03-08T10:24:36 < Spirit532> which is not particularly pleasant
2020-03-08T10:24:36 < jpa-> protects against negative voltages also with a single diode, and also against larger currents
2020-03-08T10:25:11 < jpa-> also diode to Vdda can capacitively couple noise to/from there, though that is rarely a large problem
2020-03-08T10:25:34 < Spirit532> with 60mv low, 2500mv high, I get a count of 1600-1700(oscillating) low, 3220-3240 high
2020-03-08T10:25:39 < Spirit532> which is just /wrong/, again
2020-03-08T10:26:38 < Spirit532> and the impedance is 500 ohms, not 100
2020-03-08T10:26:41 < Spirit532> my bad
2020-03-08T10:26:52 < jpa-> low enough anyway
2020-03-08T10:27:09 < jpa-> and the GPIOs are configured in analog mode, right?
2020-03-08T10:27:40 < Spirit532> they can't not be
2020-03-08T10:27:47 < Spirit532> double functions as opamp input
2020-03-08T10:27:51 < Spirit532> er, COMP
2020-03-08T10:27:57 < Spirit532> comparator IN+
2020-03-08T10:28:51 < Spirit532> those, by the way, seem to be working ok-ish
2020-03-08T10:29:07 < Spirit532> just the ADC that's freaking out
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2020-03-08T10:42:36 < PaulFertser> jpa-: thank you!
2020-03-08T10:43:08 < jpa-> for what now?
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2020-03-08T10:56:36 < Spirit532> this is such a strange issue
2020-03-08T10:56:59 < Spirit532> if the values are unchanged prior to starting the microcontroller(halt or full power cycle), the readings are correct
2020-03-08T10:57:16 < Spirit532> high input reads somewhere just shy of 3.3V, low input reads <10, normal
2020-03-08T10:57:37 < Spirit532> but as soon as that low input goes high for just a short moment(~3.1V), the ADC just LATCHES onto that value
2020-03-08T10:57:51 < Spirit532> and rapidly fluctuates between ~2000 and ~3000 counts
2020-03-08T10:58:01 < Spirit532> wtf!?
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2020-03-08T11:00:47 < Spirit532> okay, this has to be a silicon bug
2020-03-08T11:00:59 < Spirit532> the ADC WORKS!
2020-03-08T11:01:05 < Spirit532> you know what doesn't!?
2020-03-08T11:01:07 < Spirit532> DMA!
2020-03-08T11:01:21 < Spirit532> whenever the values go low, it just... apparently doesn't write them?
2020-03-08T11:01:44 < Spirit532> if I manually go through a for loop and reset the array, everything is fine!
2020-03-08T11:01:47 < Spirit532> ... wat?
2020-03-08T11:02:30 < Spirit532> oh, but it gets weirder.
2020-03-08T11:02:45 < Spirit532> or... does it?
2020-03-08T11:02:49 < Spirit532> no, not really, that's the issue.
2020-03-08T11:02:52 < Spirit532> I'm baffled.
2020-03-08T11:03:33 < Spirit532> I will investigate further tomorrow, ping me with ideas
2020-03-08T11:04:56 < jpa-> check DMA status register & CNDTR to see if it is actually even running
2020-03-08T11:05:03 < jpa-> it could have stopped due to some error flag
2020-03-08T11:05:24 < Spirit532> I only start it once and it keeps running
2020-03-08T11:05:40 < Spirit532> unless it's the adc that's re-sending the requests?
2020-03-08T11:05:43 < jpa-> but do you check that it keeps running? if it is not writing results, it sounds like it is not running
2020-03-08T11:06:05 < Spirit532> what could be causing it to do so?
2020-03-08T11:07:04 < jpa-> there's a bunch of things that can stop DMA transfers, but nothing that is immediately obvious from your description - but that's why there are status registers you can check
2020-03-08T11:07:04 < PaulFertser> jpa-: for elaborate explanations on zener vs. clamp. Appreciate it. For me not being an EE such details are not obvious at all.
2020-03-08T11:07:11 < jpa-> PaulFertser: ah, np :)
2020-03-08T11:26:57 < zyp> Spirit532, not sure what the context here is, but I'm unsure about your «they can't not be» statement
2020-03-08T11:27:24 < Spirit532> huh?
2020-03-08T11:27:27 < zyp> analog mode generally means disconnecting the digital input buffer
2020-03-08T11:27:50 < zyp> you can still use the ADC without setting the pins in analog mode, but you might get extra noise on the signals
2020-03-08T11:28:06 < Spirit532> the context was comparators require analog to be selected
2020-03-08T11:28:32 < zyp> are you sure?
2020-03-08T11:28:41 < Spirit532> cube says so
2020-03-08T11:28:48 < qyx> do they?
2020-03-08T11:29:23 < zyp> that might be a cube restriction, which is reasonable enough because you'll want to have them in analog mode
2020-03-08T11:29:32 < zyp> again, because of the noise
2020-03-08T11:29:50 < zyp> but hardware wise I think it'll work either way
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2020-03-08T14:06:13 < dongs> lol has anyone ever used stm32flash rts/dtr thing to toggle iO
2020-03-08T14:06:47 < dongs> i have DTR going to NRST, and RTS going to BOOT via inverter
2020-03-08T14:07:08 < dongs> so i'd need to pull rts high, then toggle dtr, it does that but final dtr toggle makes rts go low too
2020-03-08T14:07:11 < dongs> at same time
2020-03-08T14:07:13 < dongs> fucking opensres lol
2020-03-08T14:10:30 < jpa-> try stm32loader
2020-03-08T14:10:40 < jpa-> it's python so must be great
2020-03-08T14:30:19 < invzim> yay, assembled boards ordered 10th of Jan completed and will be here next week
2020-03-08T14:38:30 < antto> https://i.imgur.com/BFRJVDF.png
2020-03-08T14:38:39 < Steffanx> ty antto
2020-03-08T14:38:45 < antto> ;P~
2020-03-08T14:38:52 < antto> what for?
2020-03-08T14:39:02 < Steffanx> sometype_t
2020-03-08T14:39:14 < antto> TBD_t better?
2020-03-08T14:39:56 < Steffanx> idk. not my code
2020-03-08T14:41:27 < Steffanx> Will it blow?
2020-03-08T14:41:45 < jpa-> isn't having your mousepad on the screen a bit unergonomic?
2020-03-08T14:42:21 < antto> i should've used leafpad
2020-03-08T14:43:24 < Steffanx> What is a mousepad?
2020-03-08T14:43:51 < BrainDamage> there's a third advantage to zener as clamp, the iv relation is much sharper than a diode, so you have less leaks at voltages lower than the treshold
2020-03-08T14:43:58 < antto> when ur mau5 is pregnant
2020-03-08T14:46:30 < dongs> jpa-: on windows obviously
2020-03-08T14:46:52 < dongs> stm32fags tells "GPIO control only available in LUNIX lol
2020-03-08T14:46:55 < dongs> i should probably fix ti...
2020-03-08T14:47:00 < dongs> not sure if worth
2020-03-08T14:47:05 < dongs> cant be THAT hard
2020-03-08T14:47:11 < dongs> but then i'd have to make it build with vstudio too
2020-03-08T14:47:15 < dongs> isntead of cygwin or wahtever trash
2020-03-08T14:48:25 < Steffanx> lunix on windows.
2020-03-08T14:54:01 < jpa-> dongs: just use python, it's great on every platform
2020-03-08T14:57:08 < antto> snek
2020-03-08T14:58:58 < Steffanx> Stop trolling jpa-. :P
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2020-03-08T15:43:15 < dongs> uh
2020-03-08T15:43:18 < dongs> stm32loader does nothing
2020-03-08T15:43:23 < dongs> with rts/dtr
2020-03-08T15:44:25 < Laurenceb> wait is that that python code?
2020-03-08T15:45:47 < Laurenceb> pyserial broken on ur machine?
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2020-03-08T16:01:51 < mawk> your UI is ugly antto 
2020-03-08T16:02:01 < mawk> after people like dongs will come say opensores sucks
2020-03-08T16:02:12 < mawk> use distro for the aesthetic man of the 21st century
2020-03-08T16:02:14 < mawk> like KDE
2020-03-08T16:03:09 < dongs> lol.
2020-03-08T16:03:18 < antto> kde is h0rr0r
2020-03-08T16:04:01 < dongs> the fact that tehre's more than one lunix desktop
2020-03-08T16:04:06 < dongs> is the reason whyt they're all shit
2020-03-08T16:04:12 < dongs> isntead of focusing their efforts into one thing
2020-03-08T16:04:18 < dongs> they waste time wiht like 100 retarded autistic projects
2020-03-08T16:04:23 < jadew> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/08/coronavirus-italy-quarantine-virus-reaches-washington-dc
2020-03-08T16:04:39 < antto> dongs many of them have interchangable components
2020-03-08T16:04:45 < dongs> antto: i dont care
2020-03-08T16:04:52 < dongs> so does windows
2020-03-08T16:04:53 < antto> well YOU SHOULD
2020-03-08T16:05:20 < antto> crapdows' crapness is intensifying irrevirsibly
2020-03-08T16:05:23 < jpa-> dongs: you think 100 retarted autists (the whole user base of linux) combined could produce a good desktop?
2020-03-08T16:05:50 < jadew> lol
2020-03-08T16:05:55 < mawk> windows xp vista 7 8 8.1 10, sounds like fragmentation to me
2020-03-08T16:05:58 < antto> one day it will cross YOUR line too, and you're gonna want to toss it and evacuate, then u gonna look for alternatives
2020-03-08T16:06:00 < specing> There is a good "desktop"
2020-03-08T16:06:02 < dongs> https://github.com/florisla/stm32loader/releases
2020-03-08T16:06:05 < dongs> where is windows version?
2020-03-08T16:06:09 < specing> It's called a window manager
2020-03-08T16:06:19 < specing> "desktops" are for windows refugees
2020-03-08T16:06:32 < jpa-> dongs: .zip
2020-03-08T16:07:01 < BrainDamage> I'm banned from exiting the region
2020-03-08T16:07:03 < antto> dongs read my prophecy ^
2020-03-08T16:07:22 < jadew> BrainDamage, interesting, for how long - did they say?
2020-03-08T16:07:31 < BrainDamage> 4 april at least
2020-03-08T16:08:30 < PaulFertser> Did they add some laws to punish those trying to evade the ban?
2020-03-08T16:10:15 < BrainDamage> penal offence, up to 3 months jail
2020-03-08T16:10:58 < BrainDamage> well, you can exit, but you need a well justified reason
2020-03-08T16:11:09 < BrainDamage> eg health issues, etc
2020-03-08T16:12:04 < BrainDamage> frankly I kind of want to get it asap and get over with so that it finishes
2020-03-08T16:14:31 < mawk> is that a good idea
2020-03-08T16:15:08 < mawk> on one hand you have psychological damage from fearing catching it, and on the other hand you have the physical damage of catching it
2020-03-08T16:15:09 < boddax> mostly of people here not yet got how easily to contract the virus
2020-03-08T16:16:33 < BrainDamage> mental scars hurt me more than physical, and it's not the fear of catching it, it's the boredom and loneliness that gets me
2020-03-08T16:17:08 < BrainDamage> all entertainment closed, pubs and restaurants closed after 18, etc
2020-03-08T16:17:15 < boddax> even the politician that dont want close or increase the checkup for yje coming foreigner and immiigrant now he has virus too
2020-03-08T16:17:20 < mawk> put yourself in a big cardboard box and ship yourself to dutchland
2020-03-08T16:17:22 < mawk> I come pick you up
2020-03-08T16:17:33 < mawk> lol boddax 
2020-03-08T16:19:50 < boddax> more the people respect rules before we exit from this situation ..look at the china still at home from near 2 months and not yet finished
2020-03-08T16:28:09 < Steffanx> Can we entertain you somehow BrainDamage?
2020-03-08T16:28:41 < BrainDamage> continue talking about lunix as usual
2020-03-08T16:28:42 < englishman> isnt it already illegal for more than 3 italians to be in the same place together
2020-03-08T16:28:48 < Steffanx> mawk: you dont want him to get here. We have 265 (confirmed) cased and 2 dead. so.. not sure if were doing much better
2020-03-08T16:29:08 < Steffanx> and then we have those 900 students that just returned from north italy
2020-03-08T16:29:28 < PaulFertser> We should make a virtual pub. Drinking while IRCing.
2020-03-08T16:29:38 < englishman> dont you have a bunch of kernels to recompile or useless console programs to rewrite because you dont like the aesthetic of the commandline switches?
2020-03-08T16:29:52 < PaulFertser> Or the language!
2020-03-08T16:29:59 < englishman> or the lanugage
2020-03-08T16:30:09 < englishman> python++
2020-03-08T16:30:56 < englishman> dong irl https://i.imgur.com/r5dxVPR.jpg
2020-03-08T16:31:15 < englishman> i hear laughter is contagious
2020-03-08T16:31:45 < dongs> < jpa-> dongs: .zip
2020-03-08T16:31:50 < dongs> whats a nigga gonna do wiht .zip on windows?
2020-03-08T16:31:52 < dongs> i want exe
2020-03-08T16:32:08 < jpa-> you of course already have python
2020-03-08T16:32:13 < jpa-> every good computer has python
2020-03-08T16:32:20 < dongs> no
2020-03-08T16:32:23 < antto> snek invasion
2020-03-08T16:32:25 < dongs> why the fuck would i ahve python on windows
2020-03-08T16:32:35 < specing> why do you have windows, dongs 
2020-03-08T16:32:38 < specing> install Linux
2020-03-08T16:32:42 < dongs> so i can compute
2020-03-08T16:32:50 < specing> the sooner you do it, the better
2020-03-08T16:32:50 < antto> +1 linux
2020-03-08T16:32:54 < specing> liberate your computer
2020-03-08T16:32:56 < antto> i confirm
2020-03-08T16:32:57 < specing> liberate yourself
2020-03-08T16:33:08 < antto> join us
2020-03-08T16:33:42 < antto> <brainwashing_music.flac>
2020-03-08T16:33:47 < englishman> i shouldnt buy a desktop this week i should wait for 10th gen intel right
2020-03-08T16:33:57 < specing> englishman: buy talos
2020-03-08T16:34:03 < dongs> englishman: yeah but... nothing good is out yet i think?
2020-03-08T16:34:04 < englishman> never heard of it
2020-03-08T16:34:10 < dongs> are any z490 boards even out
2020-03-08T16:34:13 < englishman> yeah but 1-2 months?
2020-03-08T16:34:16 < dongs> or anything non-gaymer
2020-03-08T16:34:17 < englishman> i can wait
2020-03-08T16:34:18 < dongs> yeah 1-2 months
2020-03-08T16:34:18 < BrainDamage> wait for price crash after china
2020-03-08T16:34:21 < specing> englishman: buy talos
2020-03-08T16:34:27 < englishman> specing: speak english
2020-03-08T16:34:29 < specing> englishman: buy talos
2020-03-08T16:34:57 < specing> englishman: https://www.raptorcs.com/content/base/products.html
2020-03-08T16:35:00 < englishman> joining cracki on the list of awful chatters
2020-03-08T16:35:03 < antto> jo nes schprachen ze francois
2020-03-08T16:35:42 < dongs> lol what is this lunix trash
2020-03-08T16:35:47 < specing> je ne parle francois
2020-03-08T16:35:50 < englishman> brand-new IBM POWER9 processor
2020-03-08T16:36:03 < dongs> https://www.raptorcs.com/content/TL2DS1/intro.html
2020-03-08T16:36:04 < dongs>  $5000
2020-03-08T16:36:05 < dongs> what
2020-03-08T16:36:09 < dongs> wait the fuck
2020-03-08T16:36:11 < dongs> its not even intel
2020-03-08T16:36:14 < specing> Finest Linux hardware
2020-03-08T16:36:15 < englishman> has ibm innovated anything since 1969
2020-03-08T16:36:20 < dongs> negative
2020-03-08T16:36:31 < specing> dongs: IBM > Intel
2020-03-08T16:36:52 < englishman> ignoring lame troll
2020-03-08T16:36:59 < boddax> just erased forever lunix Bedian from my hd
2020-03-08T16:37:00 < specing> ....
2020-03-08T16:37:12 < englishman> https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i5-10400-6-core-cpu-pictured-nda-information-leaked
2020-03-08T16:37:14 < englishman> videocardz.com
2020-03-08T16:37:18 < englishman> feeling dirty linking that
2020-03-08T16:37:18 < specing> One day Microsoft will move to Linux
2020-03-08T16:37:22 < englishman> /newz/
2020-03-08T16:37:28 < dongs> haha newz
2020-03-08T16:37:30 < BrainDamage> microsoft already moved to linux
2020-03-08T16:37:30 < dongs> WaReZ
2020-03-08T16:37:33 < specing> and then you'll be like "I wanted to use Linux since forever. Linux is great"
2020-03-08T16:37:36 < BrainDamage> azure runs lunix
2020-03-08T16:37:38 < specing> and I'll be like "..."
2020-03-08T16:37:51 < specing> BrainDamage: they haven't quite yet moved
2020-03-08T16:37:57 < englishman> howcome the "unlocked" gaymer shit has double the tdp
2020-03-08T16:38:03 < specing> BrainDamage: they need to make a windows update that installs Linux
2020-03-08T16:38:41 < antto> still not gonna use their crap, they gonna fill it with spyware and crapware
2020-03-08T16:38:58 < boddax> or macsos
2020-03-08T16:39:12 < antto> cortana.exe -> cortana.so
2020-03-08T16:39:16 < antto> same sh*t
2020-03-08T16:40:00 < dongs> englishman: anything 65W on there looks great
2020-03-08T16:40:02 < englishman> if i get a 64 core threadnigger does that mean i can run 64 altidums
2020-03-08T16:40:04 < dongs> the K/KF shit without GPU
2020-03-08T16:40:08 < englishman> yeah
2020-03-08T16:40:16 < dongs> englishman: no, cuz altidumb is still single threaded garbage
2020-03-08T16:40:23 < englishman> i5-10500 or i5-10600
2020-03-08T16:40:41 < antto> Garbage Designer
2020-03-08T16:41:33 < englishman> why is ram so expensive tho
2020-03-08T16:41:34 < englishman> fuck
2020-03-08T16:42:04 < BrainDamage> if I were to build a desktop nowdays I'd make it fanless
2020-03-08T16:42:05 < BrainDamage> http://fabiensanglard.net/the_beautiful_machine/index.html
2020-03-08T16:42:10 < antto> luckily i can get away with just 8GB
2020-03-08T16:42:34 < antto> or less
2020-03-08T16:43:01 < BrainDamage> ( I don't understand how he can get so anal about aesthetics then use that ugly-ass keyboard )
2020-03-08T16:43:15 < BrainDamage> those gray keys are straight from the 80s
2020-03-08T16:44:05 < antto> ah, u don't understand the mechanical keyboard cult
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2020-03-08T16:45:59 < boddax> look like neXT cube
2020-03-08T16:47:17 < englishman> https://centtech.com/wp-content/uploads/December-92019-Press-Release.pdf
2020-03-08T16:47:21 < englishman> via centaur coming back
2020-03-08T16:47:53 < PaulFertser> Have you folks seen nrf91 already?
2020-03-08T16:49:38 < PaulFertser> It's kinda weird they embed such a low-perf MCU in it for the user code.
2020-03-08T16:52:04 < englishman> CPU running CoreMark @64 MHz from flash, clock = HFXO,
2020-03-08T16:52:04 < englishman> cache enabled
2020-03-08T16:52:04 < englishman> 2.88 mA
2020-03-08T16:52:04 < jpa-> cortex-M33?
2020-03-08T16:52:10 < englishman> seems p quick
2020-03-08T16:52:58 < PaulFertser> They need a monster CPU for LTE, TLS etc. And then they give you just that loosy CM3 for all of your code.
2020-03-08T16:53:17 < PaulFertser> it would make much more sense to develop the main app on the baseband processor and use the controller for IO.
2020-03-08T16:53:43 < jpa-> they probably can't give you access to the baseband processor if they want it to pass certifications
2020-03-08T16:53:44 < englishman> https://infocenter.nordicsemi.com/pdf/nrf91_at_commands_v1.0.pdf
2020-03-08T16:53:56 < englishman> they probably dont let you have access due to god damn it jpa
2020-03-08T16:54:09 < BrainDamage> what jpa- said
2020-03-08T16:54:22 < BrainDamage> the baseband processor is isolated even in modern SoC
2020-03-08T16:54:48 < jpa-> i can't find info on what kind of baseband processor there is, though
2020-03-08T16:55:21 < jpa-> and besides, for low power usage you'd usually want a low-power processor to collect data and only rarely power up the cellular side
2020-03-08T16:55:26 < englishman> Modem peak current consumption 525 mA
2020-03-08T16:56:22 < PaulFertser> For battery powered IoT this makes sense indeed.
2020-03-08T16:57:01 < englishman> $20 samples qty
2020-03-08T16:57:11 < englishman> tahts pretty good
2020-03-08T16:57:33 < englishman> small too
2020-03-08T16:58:57 < PaulFertser> http://i-syst.com/ this company sent flashing support for OpenOCD for those and they sell some weird debug adapter.
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2020-03-08T17:58:07 < dongs> PaulFertser: whty the fuck is their homepage a fucking blogspot.com
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2020-03-08T18:00:38 < Thorn> live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK8JTgSJ4UY
2020-03-08T18:02:44 < PaulFertser> dongs: blame canada
2020-03-08T18:02:50 < specing> Hmm, looks like register bit naming in SVD files doesen't correspond to datasheet
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2020-03-08T18:03:16 < dongs> for stm32?
2020-03-08T18:03:26 < dongs> wasn't that the reason why libopencm3 or whatever was made
2020-03-08T18:03:32 < dongs> so they can autism register names in thei own way
2020-03-08T18:03:35 < dongs> that didnt match cmsis
2020-03-08T18:03:48 < doomba> i thought the register defs match cmsis p much
2020-03-08T18:04:03 < dongs> maybe it was STM official headers that didnt
2020-03-08T18:04:10 < dongs> and libopencm3 does
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2020-03-08T18:10:13 < Laurenceb> does anyone sexually identify as covid-19 yet?
2020-03-08T18:13:52 < specing> a bunch of italians and chinese 
2020-03-08T18:18:05 < specing> Anyway, I still have the problem where on bootup the first ADC channel is converted twice, even though CHSEL is set to something else.
2020-03-08T18:21:08 < specing> But this only happens when triggering the ADC with TIM15, it doesen't happen when triggering with ADSTART in TIM6 ISR.
2020-03-08T18:25:13 < specing> even tried settings WAIT in cfgr1 to no avail
2020-03-08T18:25:26 < specing> in case anything was missed
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2020-03-08T18:59:41 < mawk> I should start a philosophy blog
2020-03-08T18:59:44 < mawk> people should think like me
2020-03-08T19:02:31 < antto> you gotta make it interesting
2020-03-08T19:02:41 < antto> should be all rap.. rhymes
2020-03-08T19:02:45 < mawk> lol
2020-03-08T19:02:47 < mawk> no
2020-03-08T19:02:51 < mawk> I want to talk about religion
2020-03-08T19:03:03 < antto> religion is f*cked up
2020-03-08T19:03:09 < mawk> I'm certain to attract a cloud of fundamentalists that want my head up a fork
2020-03-08T19:03:17 < mawk> guaranteed audience
2020-03-08T19:04:39 < englishman> why would you think that
2020-03-08T19:04:44 < englishman> the internet is an echo chamber
2020-03-08T19:05:06 < mawk> I'm not sure atheists would listen to me either
2020-03-08T19:06:36 < englishman> you'd only attract 4chan trolls like Laurent until you inevitably morph into the daily stormer and get deplatformed
2020-03-08T19:06:57 < mawk> lol
2020-03-08T19:07:31 < Steffanx> just go pro-black pete and you will have your head chopped off mawk
2020-03-08T19:07:55 < mawk> lol
2020-03-08T19:08:09 < mawk> the zwarte piet were very zwart here in delft
2020-03-08T19:10:47 < englishman> he'll be an ace in canuck politics
2020-03-08T19:11:14 < AndrevS> come on, it ain't the season for a "zwarte-pieten-discussie" 
2020-03-08T19:12:31 < mawk> the underlying debate is valid all year
2020-03-08T19:18:04 < AndrevS> I guess you're right
2020-03-08T19:20:37 < antto> hm.. corizzle vizzle has come here too
2020-03-08T19:20:48 < mawk> izzle izzle
2020-03-08T19:21:00 < mawk> because your language sounded too much like italian
2020-03-08T19:21:02 < mawk> so the virus liked it
2020-03-08T19:21:08 < antto> the map looks like the whole EU is f*cked
2020-03-08T19:21:17 < mawk> let's go to groenland
2020-03-08T19:23:52 < boddax> tested my aliexpress coffin very confortable 
2020-03-08T19:24:23 < jadew> BrainDamage, do you know anyone who has ncov?
2020-03-08T19:25:21 < boddax> lots people has but no sign
2020-03-08T19:28:44 < Steffanx> COVID-19 jadew.
2020-03-08T19:29:28 < englishman> I went to one of my fav bakeries this morning that's always super packed
2020-03-08T19:29:31 < englishman> there was noone
2020-03-08T19:29:36 < englishman> I love coronavirus
2020-03-08T19:29:54 < zyp> wonder how many people on this plane got it
2020-03-08T19:30:01 < zyp> also, hi from russian airspace
2020-03-08T19:30:05 < englishman> all of them
2020-03-08T19:30:09 < zyp> nice
2020-03-08T19:30:36 < englishman> congrats on not getting shot down over crimea
2020-03-08T19:30:49 < Steffanx> Already on your way to jappyland zyp?
2020-03-08T19:31:02 < zyp> yes
2020-03-08T19:31:10 < Steffanx> thought you said that was a few weeks from now
2020-03-08T19:31:23 < Steffanx> that wasnt a few weeks ago  :P
2020-03-08T19:32:12 < tomeaton17> covid-19 sing it to come on eileen
2020-03-08T19:32:26 < zyp> Steffanx, time flies
2020-03-08T19:32:49 < Steffanx> Did you like the "Beter voorkomen dan chinezen" song/joke mawk?
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2020-03-08T19:34:16 < mawk> lol no Steffanx 
2020-03-08T19:34:26 < BrainDamage> jadew: no, do you realize how statistically unlikely it is?
2020-03-08T19:34:28 < Steffanx> Not? Damn you mawk
2020-03-08T19:34:45 < BrainDamage> there's over 3M people in this region, and 5k infected
2020-03-08T19:34:45 < mawk> better safe than sorry ?
2020-03-08T19:34:52 < BrainDamage> sorry, 2k
2020-03-08T19:34:53 < mawk> better safe than chinese
2020-03-08T19:35:03 < Steffanx> or perhaps 100k are infected and just have a minor cold?
2020-03-08T19:35:11 < mawk> so Steffanx explainnnn
2020-03-08T19:35:18 < jadew> BrainDamage, 5k detected
2020-03-08T19:35:19 < BrainDamage> and 20 infected in my province with 400k people
2020-03-08T19:35:39 < englishman> any suggestions of what to do in silicon valley
2020-03-08T19:35:41 < jadew> and out of the ~1k people that came out of Italy to Romania, several were infected
2020-03-08T19:35:41 < BrainDamage> yes, and anyone who's not detected, how can they possibly know they have it?
2020-03-08T19:35:47 < jadew> so the odds are not that small
2020-03-08T19:35:54 < Steffanx> its a terrible wold play on "Beter voorkomen dan genezen" mawk
2020-03-08T19:35:57 < jadew> well, they do get sick eventually
2020-03-08T19:36:11 < mawk> yes Steffanx we have that exact saying in french too
2020-03-08T19:36:17 < mawk> mieux vaut prévenir que guérir
2020-03-08T19:36:23 < mawk> better prevent than heal
2020-03-08T19:36:44 < englishman> SV seems kinda boring if you aren't working there innovating like it's just a huge jungle of offices
2020-03-08T19:36:52 < englishman> there's the computer museum and the Intel museum
2020-03-08T19:37:22 < BrainDamage> we have the same here, meglio prevenire che curare
2020-03-08T19:37:33 < BrainDamage> better prevent than heal/cure
2020-03-08T19:37:47 < mawk> curare means cure ?
2020-03-08T19:37:52 < BrainDamage> yes
2020-03-08T19:37:55 < mawk> it's the name of an amazonian poison
2020-03-08T19:37:57 < mawk> curare
2020-03-08T19:38:03 < BrainDamage> that's curaro in italian
2020-03-08T19:38:07 < mawk> ah lol
2020-03-08T19:38:22 < mawk> a bit like gift which means poison in german
2020-03-08T19:38:27 < BrainDamage> guarire also works, but it's in passive form
2020-03-08T19:38:32 < mawk> guérir
2020-03-08T19:38:35 < mawk> you stole it
2020-03-08T19:38:37 < englishman> in anticipation of the tp shortage I have bought every bidet on Amazon
2020-03-08T19:38:45 < mawk> lol
2020-03-08T19:40:52 < englishman> https://www.siliconvalleyguide.org/
2020-03-08T19:40:59 < englishman> holy shit sv looks boring as hell
2020-03-08T19:41:15 < englishman> thing #1 Is take a selfie in front of the Facebook sign
2020-03-08T19:41:27 < mawk> lol
2020-03-08T19:41:54 < Laurenceb> lol silicone valley
2020-03-08T19:42:28 < englishman> oh there's a museum at Moffett field
2020-03-08T19:42:37 < Laurenceb> a cancerous place where Zuckerberg should stay
2020-03-08T19:43:06 < Laurenceb> >go to see faceberg offices as a tourist
2020-03-08T19:43:08 < Laurenceb> cant wait
2020-03-08T19:43:12 < zyp> mawk, in norwegian too
2020-03-08T19:43:12 < englishman> yeah wtf
2020-03-08T19:43:20 < zyp> and for extra fun it also means married
2020-03-08T19:43:56 < mawk> lol
2020-03-08T19:46:02 < Laurenceb> >Yoda Fountain
2020-03-08T19:46:12 < Laurenceb> wtf I want to go to Silicone valley now
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2020-03-08T19:50:32 < zyp> > Silicone
2020-03-08T19:50:51 < zyp> is that the porn parody of Silicon Valley?
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2020-03-08T19:52:49 < Steffanx> lol
2020-03-08T19:53:08 < mawk> silicone is how you write silicon is superior languages
2020-03-08T19:53:28 < BrainDamage> silicone is the same in italian, silicon is silicio
2020-03-08T19:53:58 < BrainDamage> but sometimes when people translate use silicone and then you get hilarious texts
2020-03-08T19:54:04 < mawk> silicium you mean ?
2020-03-08T19:54:28 < zyp> similar in norwegian
2020-03-08T19:54:42 < zyp> silicon is silisium, silicone is silikon
2020-03-08T19:55:10 < mawk> yes
2020-03-08T19:55:31 < zyp> also it took me way too long to realize they are named so similarly because silicone is made of silicon
2020-03-08T19:58:00 < jadew> 1500 new cases in Italy today, 133 dead
2020-03-08T19:58:21 < jadew> bringing the worldwide dead/day to 230
2020-03-08T19:58:33 < jadew> quite a jump from two days ago
2020-03-08T19:59:24 < englishman> https://www.sbhrs.org/
2020-03-08T19:59:26 < englishman> this looks cool
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2020-03-08T20:20:06 < Laurenceb> https://craptowns.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/autocomplete.jpg?w=640
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2020-03-08T21:00:04 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4R5-y0Dc1s
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2020-03-08T21:55:58 < mawk> hastings is full of chavs
2020-03-08T22:10:10 < tomeaton17> >in hastings
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2020-03-08T22:14:56 < jadew> https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/06/coronavirus-french-protective-mask-manufacturer-scraps-nhs-order-to-keep-masks-in-france
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2020-03-08T22:22:24 < Cracki> in group preference. the HEALTHY course of action.
2020-03-08T22:22:32 < Steffanx> That's what you get when the dumb commoners buy all of the masks.
2020-03-08T22:25:40 < englishman> my new bat flavoured vape should ensure that i have immunity before the real virus arrives
2020-03-08T22:28:31 < Steffanx> i thought you already survived it.
2020-03-08T22:34:39 < kakigate> better get hiv to protect from sars2
2020-03-08T22:35:57 < upgrdman> windows pros: what's you favorite (least hated) video player program?
2020-03-08T22:36:05 < kakigate> vlc
2020-03-08T22:43:22 < tomeaton17> think mpv is better for 4k
2020-03-08T22:46:12 < Steffanx> i like mpv too, its simple it works.
2020-03-08T22:47:04 < tomeaton17> I think it has better colour when watching hdr but thats pretty niche requirement
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2020-03-08T22:51:41 < kakimir> I see some of those small fpga boards have "usb bootloader"
2020-03-08T22:51:49 < kakimir> how does it even work?
2020-03-08T22:52:09 < kakimir> onboard flash has bitstream that does bootloading via usb?
2020-03-08T22:57:42 < kakimir> aha.. some fdti chips have jtag and spi support
2020-03-08T22:57:55 < kakimir> ftdi
2020-03-08T23:01:07 < kakimir> point me to fpga channel
2020-03-08T23:01:33 < kakimir> I have a lot of stupid questions to ask
2020-03-08T23:02:03 < Laurenceb> https://cy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafan
2020-03-08T23:02:08 < Laurenceb> serious business
2020-03-08T23:02:33 < upgrdman> kakimir, iirc many fpgas have silicon bootloaders for stuff like that.
2020-03-08T23:03:09 < upgrdman> like its built in and unless you disable it, the fpga will try to load a buttstream from usb if it doesn't find one from qspi or whatever
2020-03-08T23:03:57 < upgrdman> but yes, some ftdi chips also support jtag.
2020-03-08T23:05:07 < Steffanx> How much more fpga do you want that just #fpga kakimir?
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2020-03-08T23:05:32 < qyx> fpga with a single #?
2020-03-08T23:05:32 < Steffanx> *than
2020-03-08T23:05:35 < qyx> sunch unequality
2020-03-08T23:05:40 < Steffanx> Yeah ##
2020-03-08T23:05:49 < qyx> nvm then
2020-03-08T23:05:52 < Steffanx> but its nice to confuse kakimir
2020-03-08T23:06:42 < Steffanx> or is it redirected
2020-03-08T23:06:45 < Steffanx> idk
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2020-03-08T23:40:33 < karlp> englishman: when I moved to sv, my flat mate and I went and took a pile of pictures of us in front of company signs too :)
2020-03-08T23:40:47 < karlp> but it was like analog,and linear and shit, no fucking facebook
2020-03-08T23:41:19 < karlp> bu tyeah, get out of the valley
2020-03-08T23:41:32 < karlp> only hting it's good for is being close enough to go climibn or skiing on weekends
2020-03-08T23:41:57 < karlp> how long ar eyou there? got your own car?
2020-03-08T23:43:26 < karlp> hrm, looks like they never got scanned.
2020-03-08T23:47:51 < englishman> I have two weekends to kill, one I'm spending with pals in sc, the other is open, plus a Friday
2020-03-08T23:47:56 < englishman> yes rental car
2020-03-08T23:48:27 < englishman> when did you live there?
2020-03-08T23:49:57 < karlp> 2001-2005
2020-03-08T23:50:12 < karlp> well, mid 2004 really, then 6 months on teh road.
2020-03-08T23:50:46 < karlp> http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=540 is nice
2020-03-08T23:51:18 < karlp> mt diablo is more ejust for exercise, it's hot and dry,but you get a good view.
2020-03-08T23:52:20 < englishman> actually I've been all around the north bay and sf and sc but this is my first time in sv
2020-03-08T23:53:09 < karlp> yeah, it's horrible :)
2020-03-08T23:53:20 < karlp> flat and boring, and nasty police state 
2020-03-08T23:53:30 < karlp> I can't comment on food/bars, that's going to have all changed.
2020-03-08T23:54:11 < englishman> yeah I figure on going out with locals anyway
2020-03-08T23:54:35 < qyx> firewood task force
2020-03-08T23:54:39 < qyx> huh
2020-03-08T23:54:57 < karlp> driving along skyline is nice, route 35, can run over some cyclists if you're lucky.
2020-03-08T23:56:13 < englishman> highway 1 north of fort bragg was a cyclist hellholr
2020-03-08T23:57:40 < englishman> hopefully coronavirus paranoia keeps people home so there won't be much traffic and the parks will be empty
2020-03-08T23:58:16 < m4t> hi, i'm working with a blue pill and latest 'STM32 Cores' in arduino. the cc1101 spi radio datasheet says it brings SO low after it is done processing various commands. will SPI.transfer() automatically wait for this to occur before returning or do i need to do e.g. while(digitalRead(PA6)); after issuing such commands?
2020-03-08T23:58:51 < qyx> I would say that less than 5% people here know
2020-03-08T23:59:15 < karlp> now, side mount dual led, that's not common anode/common cathode?  like this: but side mounthttps://lcsc.com/product-detail/Others_Lite-On-LTST-C295KGKRKT_C364568.html
2020-03-08T23:59:21 < karlp> https://lcsc.com/product-detail/Others_Lite-On-LTST-C295KGKRKT_C364568.html with a proper link
2020-03-08T23:59:44 < karlp> even liteon's "side mount" line all seems to be common anode or common cathode, but I need dual.
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2020-03-09T00:00:31 < qyx> I failed to find a single color side mount lately, so..
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2020-03-09T00:04:06 < BrainDamage> englishman: if it's anything like here, you'll see the opposite
2020-03-09T00:04:55 < BrainDamage> people are bored and social activities are closed, plus they want to maintain a healthy lifestyle, so you see a lot more people running / biking alone
2020-03-09T00:04:57 < karlp> qyx: oh, I found single colour no problem...
2020-03-09T00:05:09 < karlp> dual colour common annode/cathode too.
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2020-03-09T00:15:43 < englishman> BrainDamage: dammit coronavirus sucks
2020-03-09T00:15:52 < englishman> why do people want this, again?
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2020-03-09T00:19:01 < antto> KOPOHA BuPyC
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2020-03-09T00:20:09 < antto> i guess it'd be interesting on teh bus tomorrow
2020-03-09T00:20:20 < jly> hmmm
2020-03-09T00:20:40 < Cracki> m4t, link datasheet? a slave keeping miso low instead of releasing it sounds wrong. perhaps check that.
2020-03-09T00:22:00 < m4t> might just be reset https://imgur.com/a/czMzt2d
2020-03-09T00:22:43 < m4t> but... SPI.transfer() *does* wait for MISO to go low before returning?
2020-03-09T00:24:04 < Cracki> that thing sounds weird
2020-03-09T00:24:13 < karlp> 50c for a blue/red is as cheap as I can find: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/everlight-electronics-co-ltd/EASV2010BRA0/1080-1512-1-ND/7926527
2020-03-09T00:24:14 < qyx> why should it
2020-03-09T00:24:31 < Cracki> a normal spi slave has to obey, not signal readiness on miso
2020-03-09T00:24:40 < karlp> good thing here is that covid is a rich peoples disease
2020-03-09T00:24:41 < qyx> and you should ask some arduiners, they know
2020-03-09T00:25:16 < Cracki> ther'es likely a library for arduino and this cc1101 thing
2020-03-09T00:25:17 < qyx> karlp: are you doing a covid blue/red detector for rich people?
2020-03-09T00:27:05 < Cracki> m4t, if this thing is as fidgety as it sounds, you'll have to poll those lines yourself
2020-03-09T00:27:15 < Cracki> this is outside of spi behavior
2020-03-09T00:27:18 < m4t> k
2020-03-09T00:27:28 < Cracki> >When CSn is pulled low, the MCU must wait until CC1101 SO pin goes low before starting to transfer the header byte. 
2020-03-09T00:27:38 < qyx> lol
2020-03-09T00:27:39 < Cracki> that, too, is weird.
2020-03-09T00:28:34 < karlp> qyx: nah, this is usb  hub speed indicator leds.
2020-03-09T00:28:55 < m4t> shrug. "CC1101 is configured via a simple 4-wire SPI-compatible interface (SI, SO, SCLK and CSn) where CC1101 is the slave"
2020-03-09T00:28:59 < karlp> rich people is that only people with covid here are people who've been on ski trips to italy/austria or people in contact with them
2020-03-09T00:29:00 < Cracki> m4t, look for arduino libs for cc1101. google says there is at least one
2020-03-09T00:29:07 < m4t> yeah i have
2020-03-09T00:29:22 < m4t> some of them have atmega-isms in them
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2020-03-09T00:29:40 < m4t> #define wait_Miso()  while(digitalRead(MISO)>0)
2020-03-09T00:29:46 < m4t> (that isn't one of them)
2020-03-09T00:29:47 < Cracki> heh
2020-03-09T00:30:07 < qyx> karlp: we were going skiing to italy because it is actually cheaper than in .sk
2020-03-09T00:30:19 < m4t> i was wondering if the stm32 hardware interface or stm32duino accounted for such behavior, but i guess not - thanks
2020-03-09T00:30:56 < qyx> no, stm32 SPI has no special configuration for/detection of this behaviour
2020-03-09T00:31:00 < qyx> you may simulate in software
2020-03-09T00:31:12 < qyx> the arduino lib may or may not do that, we don't know
2020-03-09T00:32:10 < karlp> fucking tedious though, there's 14 led pin signals for use with bi colour leds in "USB mode" but only 7 of them if you want to use "speed indicator mode" and that _requires_ independent configured leds, in a dual package for them to square wave at 1kHz
2020-03-09T00:32:44 < qyx> this year there was no italy because of the kid.. we missed the opportunity to get covid there
2020-03-09T00:33:07 < Cracki> m4t, you may get away with not checking those conditions... for the paragraph I am at, it says "you don't need to wait, this is just for when it's sleeping"
2020-03-09T00:33:15 < karlp> guess I'll just use these normal mount leds, and hope there's enough visibvility, stop autisming for a while
2020-03-09T00:33:48 < qyx> on a proto I made few days ago, I soldered normal LEDs on their side :X
2020-03-09T00:35:06 < Cracki> what you linked talks about "SRES strobe" specifically. I guess they can't avoid a little delay there, so that's how they signal readiness. otherwise you'd have to wait blindly, which is even uglier.
2020-03-09T00:35:48 < m4t> looking @ an spi capture of a device i have that uses cc1101 (not my hardware/firmware), it does seem to take some extra time to go high after the SRES strobe
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2020-03-09T00:37:41 < m4t> maybe about 8 bytes worth of remaining high (comparing to the duration of the SRES byte itself)
2020-03-09T00:42:18 < qyx> interesting, quacktel modules available at lcsc are not available anywhere else
2020-03-09T00:42:25 < qyx> they don't have english datasheets
2020-03-09T00:42:43 < qyx> nor any reasonable google hits
2020-03-09T00:44:09 < qyx> and reciprocally, lcsc doesn't list any quacktels available here
2020-03-09T00:44:15 < qyx> except for EC20
2020-03-09T00:45:01 < qyx> I was using L1O, L70, L76, M66FA, none of them at lcsc
2020-03-09T00:45:26 < qyx> but there are things like M26 or BC26 for ~$4
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2020-03-09T00:55:51 < Spirit532> I have an interesting issue
2020-03-09T00:56:00 < Spirit532> A regular voltage divider, fed from a linear power supply
2020-03-09T00:56:14 < Spirit532> Then converted in the ADC, gives me a slightly nonlinear output
2020-03-09T00:56:15 < Spirit532> https://i.spirit.re/DaIRm.png
2020-03-09T00:56:46 < Spirit532> The supply voltage(and thus vref) stays within ~12mV through the entire range
2020-03-09T00:56:50 < qyx> what resistor values?
2020-03-09T00:56:59 < Spirit532> 11k/500
2020-03-09T00:57:17 < qyx> and sampling time?
2020-03-09T00:57:32 < qyx> do you have a cap parallel to the 500R?
2020-03-09T00:57:42 < Spirit532> 168MHz/div16, 12bit res, 247.5 cycles, 4x oversampling
2020-03-09T00:57:48 < Spirit532> and no, no capacitor 
2020-03-09T00:57:57 < qyx> should be ok
2020-03-09T00:57:58 < Spirit532> there's a big bus cap above the divider(over 11k)
2020-03-09T00:58:13 < qyx> try piggyback a 10n over the 500R
2020-03-09T00:58:22 < Spirit532> what for?
2020-03-09T00:58:33 < Spirit532> think it's not enough time to charge the cap?
2020-03-09T00:58:41 < Spirit532> I can change the sampling time to 640
2020-03-09T00:58:49 < qyx> usually there is not
2020-03-09T00:58:54 < qyx> yeah or try that
2020-03-09T00:59:26 < Spirit532> also, another fun ST fuckup I found out about
2020-03-09T00:59:44 < Spirit532> when using FreeRTOS, the heap allocators simply don't work with newlib's floats
2020-03-09T00:59:50 < Spirit532> but someone made a patch for that
2020-03-09T00:59:58 < Spirit532> (6 months ago, and it still isn't fixed)
2020-03-09T01:00:18 < qyx> is it ST related?
2020-03-09T01:00:21 < Spirit532> yeah, cube
2020-03-09T01:01:07 < Spirit532> changing the sampling time didn't fix anything
2020-03-09T01:01:08 < qyx> hm, idk, I was using freertos with heap3
2020-03-09T01:01:22 < Spirit532> but when you enable floats for vsnprintf, it crashes
2020-03-09T01:01:23 < qyx> which is only a wrapper around malloc/free from newlib
2020-03-09T01:01:39 < Spirit532> the sampling time isn't the issue :(
2020-03-09T01:01:56 < Spirit532> from 18 to 31V, it still drifts -300 +300mv in either direction
2020-03-09T01:02:01 < Spirit532> (from the true reading)
2020-03-09T01:02:16 < qyx> did you check on the scope?
2020-03-09T01:02:29 < qyx> isn't there any noise?
2020-03-09T01:02:31 < Spirit532> there's plenty of decoupling and the voltage itself is very stable
2020-03-09T01:02:46 < qyx> switching noise?
2020-03-09T01:02:52 < qyx> is it your stspin thing?
2020-03-09T01:02:59 < Spirit532> nope, that is ded
2020-03-09T01:03:11 < Spirit532> I will be bringing up a proper servo drive later, this isn't it
2020-03-09T01:03:19 < qyx> k
2020-03-09T01:03:21 < Spirit532> the entire board consumes 36mA from 24V and there's a lot of ferrite noise suppression
2020-03-09T01:03:27 < Spirit532> but at the moment there's only two switchers, in series
2020-03-09T01:03:35 < Spirit532> 24->12, 12->5, then lin from 5 to 3.3
2020-03-09T01:03:52 < qyx> ad you are measuring 24V:
2020-03-09T01:03:56 < Spirit532> https://i.spirit.re/xjc8H.png
2020-03-09T01:04:00 < Spirit532> could the zener be the issue?
2020-03-09T01:04:10 < Spirit532> C17 is not present
2020-03-09T01:04:18 < Spirit532> (but not needed)
2020-03-09T01:04:26 < qyx> uh maybe zener leakage?
2020-03-09T01:04:34 < qyx> when pproaching 3V3?
2020-03-09T01:04:46 < Spirit532> but it never approaches 3.3
2020-03-09T01:05:19 < Spirit532> at 30V there will be 1.304V on the zener
2020-03-09T01:05:20 < Spirit532> or thereabouts
2020-03-09T01:05:41 < qyx> idk then
2020-03-09T01:05:48 < Spirit532> :<
2020-03-09T01:05:53 < qyx> can you try oversampling by 256?
2020-03-09T01:05:59 < Spirit532> sure...
2020-03-09T01:08:02 < Spirit532> 640.5 cycles, 256x oversampling with 8 bit shift, 24V at 24, 30.3V at 30V, 17.72V at 18V
2020-03-09T01:08:08 < Spirit532> so it isn't the cap, for sure
2020-03-09T01:08:55 < qyx> so the range is compressed
2020-03-09T01:09:27 < Spirit532> I think so
2020-03-09T01:10:46 < zyp> sup?
2020-03-09T01:11:00 < qyx> yre you in jp yet?
2020-03-09T01:11:03 < qyx> corona negative?
2020-03-09T01:11:09 < Spirit532> more funky ADC issues zyp 
2020-03-09T01:11:12 < Spirit532> this time nonlinearity 
2020-03-09T01:11:19 < zyp> qyx, no, flying over coronaland now
2020-03-09T01:11:33 < Spirit532> the random non-writing errors disappeared on their own, magically, so I ain't touching that
2020-03-09T01:12:01 < qyx> what are you using to measure the input voltage?
2020-03-09T01:12:16 < Spirit532> yeah, bus voltage for a funny motor driver
2020-03-09T01:12:37 < qyx> I mean, what with
2020-03-09T01:12:52 < Spirit532> you just saw that it was a voltage divider
2020-03-09T01:13:44 < qyx> and the other device which you are comparing with?
2020-03-09T01:13:48 < qyx> the psu itself?
2020-03-09T01:13:50 < englishman> can you plz make that schematic harder to read
2020-03-09T01:13:53 < Spirit532> a 60 000 count multimeter
2020-03-09T01:13:57 < Spirit532> lol
2020-03-09T01:14:12 < qyx> much counts
2020-03-09T01:14:19 < Spirit532> more than needed here for sure
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2020-03-09T02:20:57 < englishman> looks like coronavirus only kills smokers
2020-03-09T02:21:08 < englishman> so: northern italy, all of china, japan
2020-03-09T02:21:35 < englishman> is this the latest move by big vape to make cigarettes illegal?
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2020-03-09T02:26:46 < kakimir> snus
2020-03-09T02:27:02 < kakimir> when you travel to nordic countries englishman
2020-03-09T02:27:19 < kakimir> we go to sweden and get snus 1kilo
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2020-03-09T02:55:14 < specing> lol
2020-03-09T02:58:21 < kakigate> swedish delicacy
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2020-03-09T02:59:20 < Laurenceb> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/assets/48895.0/1618653.jpg
2020-03-09T02:59:35 < Laurenceb> work for mr Musk they said, it will be safe they said
2020-03-09T03:08:46 < Laurenceb> https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/03/09/0024224/meet-the-man-being-sued-by-the-ftc-over-his-kickstarter-campaign-for-a-high-tech-backpack
2020-03-09T03:08:49 < Laurenceb> lolowned
2020-03-09T03:09:37 < antto> shouldn't u b in bed, loirens?
2020-03-09T03:11:17 < Laurenceb> u can sleep when ur dead
2020-03-09T03:11:59 < antto> and we're getting closer and closer to that
2020-03-09T03:12:05 < englishman> imagine searching through 50 pockets for whatever the shit you decided you needed to carry around
2020-03-09T03:12:41 < Laurenceb> ikr wtf
2020-03-09T03:12:52 < Laurenceb> its like babbyshake box of fail in a bag
2020-03-09T03:14:48 < antto> i had a collegue who i've never seen without his backpack... on his back
2020-03-09T03:15:09 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-09T03:16:05 < antto> and his eyes were kinda.. glowing always ;P~
2020-03-09T03:17:20 < antto> and he listened to hardcore-speed-industrial-noise
2020-03-09T03:29:46 < jadew> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8083527/Germany-France-condemned-EU-members-blocking-export-medical-supplies.html
2020-03-09T03:29:58 < jadew> EU unity at work
2020-03-09T03:42:24 < englishman> laurent doesnt even link dailyfail ironically
2020-03-09T03:43:15 < jadew> if it's not a good enough source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu/eu-fails-to-persuade-france-germany-to-lift-coronavirus-health-gear-controls-idUSKBN20T166
2020-03-09T03:46:07 < kakigate> 0 deaths in germany
2020-03-09T03:46:22 < kakigate> they follow the same information policy than finland
2020-03-09T03:46:41 < jadew> which is?
2020-03-09T03:46:43 < Laurenceb> masterrace confirmed
2020-03-09T03:47:37 < kakigate> jadew: non-informing
2020-03-09T03:47:50 < jadew> heh
2020-03-09T03:48:12 < kakigate> they don't even tell a city anymore
2020-03-09T03:48:16 < kakigate> just a region
2020-03-09T03:48:30 < jadew> awful
2020-03-09T03:49:12 < Cracki> logistic growth, watch maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg
2020-03-09T03:49:40 < jadew> Cracki, saw that earlier today
2020-03-09T03:51:47 < kakigate> pleibs look only deaths
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2020-03-09T05:38:24 < machinehum> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMKXbLBgkEc
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2020-03-09T06:45:14 < Spirit532> Another dumb question
2020-03-09T06:45:21 < Spirit532> I have a timer, with no outputs
2020-03-09T06:45:35 < Spirit532> I initialize it with HAL, set the reload register, all that
2020-03-09T06:45:54 < Spirit532> Then I do CR1=enable to start it
2020-03-09T06:46:16 < Spirit532> A short while after I do CR1=disable, to pause it, then I read off ->CNT, then I set ->CNT to 0, then I restart it
2020-03-09T06:46:22 < Spirit532> (I want to count periods without interrupts)
2020-03-09T06:46:27 < Spirit532> Why am I getting garbage readings?
2020-03-09T06:46:45 < Spirit532> It doesn't overflow.
2020-03-09T06:48:22 < Spirit532> and the moment I ask the question, I realize that the counter period is irrelevant here.
2020-03-09T06:48:37 < Spirit532> I need the prescaler.
2020-03-09T06:52:16 < Cracki> you'll want to set period to maximum (65535 or w/e) so it does NOT wrap around
2020-03-09T06:52:20 < Cracki> ... that quickly
2020-03-09T06:52:36 < Cracki> yes prescaler should be something you find useful
2020-03-09T06:52:51 < Spirit532> yeah, just not in the way I thought 
2020-03-09T06:52:57 < Cracki> how so?
2020-03-09T06:53:11 < Spirit532> because the prescaler is what sets how fast the timer counts
2020-03-09T06:53:12 < Spirit532> (duh)
2020-03-09T06:53:13 < Cracki> you ran at 168 mhz, with prescaler 1 on a 16 bit timer?
2020-03-09T06:53:33 < Spirit532> told you it was a dumb question, my brain had foresight.
2020-03-09T06:53:37 < Cracki> :P
2020-03-09T06:53:58 < Cracki> also, why are there still flights from my place to milan, when milan is supposedly on lockdown
2020-03-09T06:54:22 < Cracki> 40 bucks and I could go there and back
2020-03-09T06:54:27 < Spirit532> you'll just land and be on lockdown
2020-03-09T06:57:13 < Cracki> it's inland too, no beaches. all I could do is sightsee, which is nice, but rn I'd rather soak up some rays
2020-03-09T06:58:27 < Cracki> ooh, google recommends an actual park, not just paved squares and architecture that sings to my blood
2020-03-09T07:04:53 < Cracki> wtf 2 weeks ago price was half that
2020-03-09T07:09:36 < Cracki> I need to stop looking into this or I'm gonna do it for real
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2020-03-09T08:25:24 < antto> our gubbermint has aranged that we gon manufacture masks, so i guess we won't have problems with that, nor with toilet paper
2020-03-09T08:28:13 < antto> and banned teh eggsport of masks and such
2020-03-09T08:43:51 < antto> kakigate wut kind of gate r u
2020-03-09T08:44:39 < antto> FET gate, heaven's gate, ...?
2020-03-09T08:45:09 < antto> oh, it's right in the name.. ur a kakigate
2020-03-09T08:45:13 < antto> sumfin new
2020-03-09T08:45:31  * antto searches for kakigate datasheet
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2020-03-09T09:10:52 < Steffanx> He's an arsehole, antto  ;)
2020-03-09T09:11:21 < antto> nooo
2020-03-09T09:11:52 < Steffanx> Kaki = 💩  , gate = entry/exit. . Arsehole.
2020-03-09T09:12:15 < jpa-> I can certify that this translation is correct.
2020-03-09T09:13:08 < Steffanx> antto:  your boss just called. He wonder why you arent at work yet
2020-03-09T09:13:30 < jly> ey steffan
2020-03-09T09:14:54 < Steffanx> Hi sir
2020-03-09T09:15:50 < dongs> yo zyp where do you want ur wirez
2020-03-09T09:15:53 < dongs> japan or norgay
2020-03-09T09:15:55 < dongs> they're done this week
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2020-03-09T09:37:52 < antto> Steffanx coz i'm not there yet
2020-03-09T09:38:22 < antto> one must first leave ~/ to reach /j0b/
2020-03-09T09:38:50 < antto> i don't have dual quantum properties
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2020-03-09T10:59:13 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/gx2RWPt.gifv
2020-03-09T11:02:22 < doomba> some people pass out under moderate Gs
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2020-03-09T11:33:31 < jadew> original video: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=367140430679539
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2020-03-09T11:50:07 < jadew> germany has 1.1k cases and no deaths
2020-03-09T11:51:33 < jpa-> south korea has 7k cases and 35 dead
2020-03-09T11:51:46 < jpa-> clearly you can come out of your bunker now
2020-03-09T11:52:04 < jadew> 1.1k and no deaths is more impressive tho
2020-03-09T11:52:26 < doomba> lol kim jong launching missiles again. they must have coronavirus there because any time kim starts launching shit it's because he wants some aid money
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2020-03-09T12:26:15 < englishman> I can't, the doors have been barricaded with toilet paper. I'll have to poop my way out
2020-03-09T12:26:47 < Steffanx> Toilet paper?
2020-03-09T12:28:34 < doomba> there is a more optimized way
2020-03-09T12:29:40 < doomba> sign up for twitter and advertise your location as a safe space. SJW cancel culture trannies will show up by the dozen and clear the barricades with their tears as a rapid parallel operation.
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2020-03-09T12:56:46 < tomeaton17> tim encoder mode is basically just an edge counter right?
2020-03-09T13:04:20 < dongs> no it counts graycode A/B shit from encoder
2020-03-09T13:04:37 < dongs> thats why it can change CNT both up and down
2020-03-09T13:05:03 < tomeaton17> ok I think i need to use it because pin interrupts is using too much processing time
2020-03-09T13:05:15 < dongs> absolutely, but its limited to channels1/2 of a timer
2020-03-09T13:05:25 < dongs> you can't run it on arbitrary pins
2020-03-09T13:06:01 < dongs> or i should say pairs of channels or whatever. maybe works on 3/4 as well
2020-03-09T13:06:06 < dongs> been a while since i sused.
2020-03-09T13:06:08 < dongs> used
2020-03-09T13:08:25 < srk> I have one connected to 3/4 on f103 cause 1/2 is i2c as well, will test soon
2020-03-09T13:10:15 < tomeaton17> hm okay I can't have 2 32bit counters then
2020-03-09T13:16:41 < tomeaton17> tim5 is being used by mbed 
2020-03-09T13:24:13 < aandrew> lol englishman 
2020-03-09T13:25:06 < aandrew> dongs: how do you count gray code from quadrature encoder?
2020-03-09T13:25:32 < jpa-> aandrew: how not?
2020-03-09T13:26:00 < aandrew> AFAIK it's not gray code at all
2020-03-09T13:26:29 < aandrew> you have an A and B and depending on which edge hits first you know direction, and edges themselves give you rate
2020-03-09T13:26:51 < aandrew> there's no gray code involved in that
2020-03-09T13:27:19 < jpa-> aandrew: it's gray code
2020-03-09T13:27:43 < aandrew> I guess you could call it a two bit gray code
2020-03-09T13:27:56 < jpa-> yeah, because that's exactly what it is
2020-03-09T13:30:28 < tomeaton17> I should have just used it from the start
2020-03-09T13:35:10 < Steffanx> Lol. Let's not call it exactly what it is for the funz
2020-03-09T13:39:31 < aandrew> Steffanx: that's not what I was driving at
2020-03-09T13:39:54 < aandrew> I never looked at it as a gray code because to me a 2 bit gray code is ridiculous
2020-03-09T13:40:42 < aandrew> I've always understood it to be called a quadrature encoder since it gives you two signals 90 degrees out of phase
2020-03-09T13:40:55 < aandrew> nobody calls these things 2-bit gray encoders
2020-03-09T13:41:31 < aandrew> at any rate this is potayto potahto
2020-03-09T13:41:41 < Steffanx> Haha. No worries aandrew . 
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2020-03-09T14:13:11 < karlp> make open source hw, act surprised when someone else makes it and sells it: https://twitter.com/ico_TC/status/1236930699317456896
2020-03-09T14:19:37 < sync> :D
2020-03-09T14:20:08 < aandrew> karlp: I saw that, seems we follow similar people
2020-03-09T14:34:04 < Steffanx> You read twatter?
2020-03-09T14:49:15 < dongs> the fuck is icebreakjer
2020-03-09T14:51:34 < karlp> just an lattice ice dev board
2020-03-09T14:55:45 < dongs> so who cares
2020-03-09T14:55:52 < dongs> were tehy selling it "opensores" for $99 or something?
2020-03-09T14:55:55 < dongs> and china undercut them?
2020-03-09T14:56:17 < dongs> $69 and $20 shipping on
2020-03-09T14:56:26 < dongs> *ok
2020-03-09T14:57:59 < sync> more like 20 bux on aliexpress
2020-03-09T14:58:01 < sync> but yeah
2020-03-09T14:58:39 < aandrew> Steffanx: yep
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2020-03-09T15:22:44 < englishman> another opensores breakout board?
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2020-03-09T15:23:11 < englishman> how is it 3x better than lattice icestick that you can get on digijew?
2020-03-09T15:23:29 < sync> 3x more opensores
2020-03-09T15:29:56 < karlp> bigger fpga at least
2020-03-09T15:30:05 < karlp> more than 1 pmod
2020-03-09T15:30:09  * karlp shrugs
2020-03-09T15:37:41 < doomba> digikenazi
2020-03-09T15:38:22 < doomba> i have this nice corsair rm750x atx psu
2020-03-09T15:38:31 < doomba> it's been unboxed but never used
2020-03-09T15:38:43 < doomba> and i'll never build a gaming PC
2020-03-09T15:38:58 < doomba> was gonna use it for the cluster, but now i'm kind of thinking i want to make the cluster 12V powered
2020-03-09T15:39:10 < doomba> and avoid all the ATX nonsense
2020-03-09T15:42:19 < doomba> so the question then is.
2020-03-09T15:42:44 < doomba> is it all or nothing wrt copper weight on pcbs made by jlc?
2020-03-09T15:43:23 < doomba> i.e. can i have 2oz pours for some power traces and 1oz for everything else? or am i stuck with the same weight on the whole pcb?
2020-03-09T15:45:48 < grindhold> affair only one thickness per board, doomba
2020-03-09T15:46:15 < grindhold> what's the problem with more thickness on non-power tracks?
2020-03-09T15:46:37 < Cracki> doomba, I'd be surprised if they could do multiple thicknesses for the same layer
2020-03-09T15:47:27 < Cracki> doesn't their standard stackup for >>2 layers have mixed 1oz and .5oz? or was that some other pcb house I remember
2020-03-09T15:48:16 < aandrew> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000253607503.html lol @ 780nm class IIIa laser on a TOF lidar module
2020-03-09T15:48:31 < aandrew> it says both "class IIIa" and "class I". no fucking way I'd trust that
2020-03-09T15:49:56 < Cracki> does it pulse?
2020-03-09T15:50:15 < Cracki> maybe it's 3a continuous but 1 when pulsed? sketchy regardless
2020-03-09T15:56:22 < doomba> 2oz thickness is ok for stuff like qfn ?
2020-03-09T15:57:00 < aandrew> yep
2020-03-09T15:57:25 < karlp> Cracki: inner layers are 1/2 oz, outer are 1oz, seems pretty normal
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2020-03-09T16:11:09 < aandrew> oh interesting
2020-03-09T16:11:11 < aandrew> Lasers in this class are mostly dangerous in combination with optical instruments which change the beam diameter or power density, though even without optical instrument enhancement direct contact with the eye for over two minutes may cause serious damage to the retina. Output power does not exceed 5 mW.
2020-03-09T16:11:26 < aandrew> IIIa isn't all that dangerous after all unless you're fixing to make it so
2020-03-09T16:12:39 < aandrew> IIIa is <5mW, but again don't trust ali anything to be safe
2020-03-09T16:13:40 < aandrew> power density can't be more than 2.5mW/cm2 
2020-03-09T16:14:13 < aandrew> so I guess if it's 5mW that means you need a 2cm2 beam? that seems REALLY big
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2020-03-09T16:38:35 < aandrew> ah see
2020-03-09T16:38:36 < aandrew> Classes 1M and 2M broadly replace the old class 3A under IEC and EN classification. Prior to the 2001 amendment there were also lasers, which were, Class 3B but were eye-safe when viewed without optical instruments. These lasers are Class 1M or 2M under the current Classification system.
2020-03-09T16:38:59 < aandrew> A Class 3R laser is a continuous wave laser, which may produce up to five times the emission limit for Class 1, or Class 2 lasers. Although the MPE can be exceeded, the risk of injury is low. The laser can produce no more than 5 mW in the visible region.
2020-03-09T16:39:04 < aandrew> muh retinas
2020-03-09T16:43:47 < BrainDamage> I've got retina damage from a diving torch
2020-03-09T16:45:07 < aandrew> At the time of writing we are not aware of any Class 4 LEDs.
2020-03-09T16:45:08 < aandrew> lol
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2020-03-09T17:45:42 < karlp> heh, someone says they're working on an embedded system and don't have a compiler that supports c99.
2020-03-09T17:45:54 < karlp> so glad I'm not in that person's little pit of hell.
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2020-03-09T17:50:04 < emeb> lol. what is it? a 6502 with cc65?
2020-03-09T17:50:40 < karlp> no idea, they're expecting to be able to compile a large posix app with openssl and things anyway, so fuck knows how they think they're going to have a good time.
2020-03-09T17:59:52 < Laurenceb> ree I hate cars
2020-03-09T18:00:07 < Laurenceb> anyone know if a turbo can fail so that the impeller still turns?
2020-03-09T18:01:44 < BrainDamage> if the shaft breaks or the flanges break
2020-03-09T18:04:19 < Laurenceb> the shaft can crack?
2020-03-09T18:05:14 < BrainDamage> that shit rotates at 30-50k rpm
2020-03-09T18:09:07 < karlp> apparently https://www.ghs.com/products/rtos/integrity.html is c89 only...
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2020-03-09T18:27:06 < englishman> sure Laurenceb
2020-03-09T18:27:15 < englishman> did you mesure boost
2020-03-09T18:27:37 < Laurenceb> nah I dont have a manometer
2020-03-09T18:27:50 < Laurenceb> turbo impellor rotates fine
2020-03-09T18:27:55 < englishman> lots of shit to go wrong on turbos, when they work at 100krpm at exhaust temps
2020-03-09T18:28:06 < Laurenceb> it doesnt seem to be developing enough peak power
2020-03-09T18:28:14 < englishman> time to get a $5 Amazon boost gauge
2020-03-09T18:28:22 < Laurenceb> I might take it to garage and get them to try it
2020-03-09T18:28:23 < Laurenceb> yeah
2020-03-09T18:28:24 < englishman> maybe it's because your car sucks
2020-03-09T18:28:26 < englishman> and not the turbo
2020-03-09T18:28:26 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-09T18:28:36 < englishman> why do you assume the turbo
2020-03-09T18:28:43 < englishman> and not the billion other things
2020-03-09T18:28:43 < Laurenceb> also I dont hear any turbo wine
2020-03-09T18:28:50 < englishman> I thought you were an academic
2020-03-09T18:28:51 < englishman> good
2020-03-09T18:28:54 < englishman> why would you want to?
2020-03-09T18:28:58 < Laurenceb> lol ok
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2020-03-09T19:12:16 < sync> BrainDamage: what is this, locomotives?
2020-03-09T19:12:23 < sync> 50krpm is slow for a turbo
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2020-03-09T19:51:28 < kakigate> depends on size of the spool
2020-03-09T19:54:09 < jadew> lol @ the OSHW that got manufactured in china
2020-03-09T19:55:48 < jadew> it's not even a copy, they just manufactured it
2020-03-09T20:08:00 < PaulFertser> karlp: looks like they're surprised it became popular enough to be copied, it's not like they're complaining.
2020-03-09T20:08:39 < jadew> I'm sure they don't mind being undercut on their own product
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2020-03-09T20:17:28 < jadew> Romania is slowly preparing for shut down
2020-03-09T20:17:39 < jadew> schools just got closed
2020-03-09T20:17:56 < jadew> yesterday all traffic to and from Italy got banned
2020-03-09T20:18:31 < specing> two months too late
2020-03-09T20:18:46 < specing> Today my university closed
2020-03-09T20:19:12 < Thorn> I've finally learned how to use my new moka pot
2020-03-09T20:19:22 < specing> All this was avoidable, if only gov closed the borders 2 months ago...
2020-03-09T20:19:47 < tomeaton17> specing: what country?
2020-03-09T20:20:29 < mawk> Steffanx: my manager was inquiring about my mental health because they have me do a lot of php lately
2020-03-09T20:20:32 < mawk> "how are you holding up ?"
2020-03-09T20:21:02 < aandrew> HAHAHAHAHAH
2020-03-09T20:21:05 < aandrew> that's awesome mawk 
2020-03-09T20:21:44 < jadew> tomeaton17, china
2020-03-09T20:21:49 < jadew> everyone should have banned china
2020-03-09T20:22:13 < Laurenceb> like a virgin, molested by the scottish pm for the very first time...
2020-03-09T20:22:19 < Thorn> live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfobx9fDPDA
2020-03-09T20:22:23 < specing> tomeaton17: Slovenia
2020-03-09T20:27:20 < jpa-> has any developed country actually "closed the borders" since 1989 or so?
2020-03-09T20:27:34 < jpa-> i.e. forbidding its own citizens from abroad from returning
2020-03-09T20:28:28 < mawk> maybe yugoslavia
2020-03-09T20:28:31 < mawk> and serbia ?
2020-03-09T20:28:42 < mawk> during some parts of the war
2020-03-09T20:29:06 < jpa-> maybe yeah
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2020-03-09T20:33:37 < jpa-> jadew: did you read this already? https://www.reddit.com/r/Covid2019/comments/fah93r/a_vaccine_isnt_coming/
2020-03-09T20:33:52 < specing> jpa-: you can close the borders and all returning must go through MANDATORY 14day quarantine at military bases
2020-03-09T20:34:10 < jadew> jpa-, no, reading it now, thanks
2020-03-09T20:34:10 < specing> right now we have home self-quarantine that not even doctors follow
2020-03-09T20:34:21 < specing> you can imagine that it doesen't work
2020-03-09T20:39:15 < jadew> jpa-, that's like having two worst case scenarios in a row
2020-03-09T20:39:55 < jadew> I heard about this theory a couple of weeks ago, but I don't know what to think...
2020-03-09T20:40:01 < jadew> we need more data
2020-03-09T20:42:18 < Steffanx> hah mawk
2020-03-09T20:44:41 < jpa-> jadew: now just wait until we learn that it has long term effects like HIV or similar :)
2020-03-09T20:48:08 < jadew> yeah, that would be awful
2020-03-09T20:51:52 < tomeaton17> specing: I see
2020-03-09T20:52:02 < tomeaton17> I think that my uk uni will get closed after the easter holidays
2020-03-09T20:52:09 < tomeaton17> because my cause is rammed with asians
2020-03-09T20:56:32 < specing> Hahahaha!
2020-03-09T20:56:58 < specing> most foreigners here are from former SFRJ
2020-03-09T20:59:53 < tomeaton17> I see
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2020-03-09T21:00:14 < tomeaton17> I think its because the internationals get charged 22.5k a year instead of 9.25k
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2020-03-09T21:03:27 < specing> tomeaton17: here its free for all
2020-03-09T21:03:49 < specing> well, there is a 25eur/year fee for student union
2020-03-09T21:08:57 < BrainDamage> here you're charged based off on your wealth, the price goes from 0 to ~1.2k/year
2020-03-09T21:09:38 < BrainDamage> private univs can cost easily 10k/year or more
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2020-03-09T21:38:10 < boddax> my neighbor got it
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2020-03-09T21:39:55 < qyx> jpa-: that doesn't look good
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2020-03-09T21:46:36 < tomeaton17> specing: I wish it was free
2020-03-09T21:48:08 < specing> tomeaton17: => higher taxes
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2020-03-09T21:57:15 < jadew> boddax, where?
2020-03-09T21:57:49 < boddax> florence hes 71 years old
2020-03-09T21:58:01 < jadew> sucks
2020-03-09T21:58:15 < Steffanx> Where did he get it from mr boddax?
2020-03-09T21:58:16 < Steffanx> you?
2020-03-09T21:58:18 < boddax> live hundred meter from my home
2020-03-09T21:58:40 < boddax> who knows wher got dont know
2020-03-09T21:58:43 < jadew> how is he feeling?
2020-03-09T21:58:49 < jadew> did they take him away?
2020-03-09T21:59:26 < boddax> have bad cough at the moment
2020-03-09T21:59:38 < boddax> yes bring to hospital
2020-03-09T21:59:54 < boddax> hard to breath
2020-03-09T22:00:43 < jadew> did you go over there to shake hands and wish him good luck?
2020-03-09T22:01:10 < BrainDamage> kiss him on the mouth
2020-03-09T22:02:07 < Steffanx> Yes, be done with it.
2020-03-09T22:07:40 < tomeaton17> Well I will probably be in over 50 grand debt when I leave uni
2020-03-09T22:09:28 < Thorn> I was going to joke that CoV won't be able to find my city on a map but I forgot that Italians have a nest here (https://medium.com/whirlpool-corporation/the-lipetsk-refrigeration-plant-a-25-years-long-story-4a45d03be3dc)
2020-03-09T22:09:38 < Thorn> result: 3 confirmed cases already
2020-03-09T22:10:18 < BrainDamage> yes, we're the plague spreaders
2020-03-09T22:10:39 < Thorn> all 3 recently returned from Italy
2020-03-09T22:10:48 < Steffanx> Get that AK47 out of the back of your car and kill em all Thorn
2020-03-09T22:10:56 < Steffanx> and drink a shitload of vodka
2020-03-09T22:11:18 < Steffanx> or is it too late already?
2020-03-09T22:11:43 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/B9bp4BehrC6/?igshid=kvtksajnpvrj
2020-03-09T22:11:58 < Thorn> the governor, looking concerned
2020-03-09T22:13:08 < qyx> IoT-ers, where do you get your nb-iot modules from
2020-03-09T22:13:21 < karlp> Thorn: ... what was going wrong before? or ... what are you doing now? (re moka pot)
2020-03-09T22:14:40 < Thorn> karlp: I found that you need to put it in cold water when it's almost done (before it starts bubbling) or it's going to be bitter
2020-03-09T22:16:29 < boddax> in a minute our premier will talk ..what will happen
2020-03-09T22:16:51 < boddax> maybe total block whole country
2020-03-09T22:18:01 < Steffanx> have a stream with proper translation?
2020-03-09T22:18:32 < qyx> boddax: where
2020-03-09T22:18:34 < boddax> Brain can translate 
2020-03-09T22:19:24 < boddax> tv La7 channel around 9.30pm
2020-03-09T22:20:04 < qyx> I mean which country :)
2020-03-09T22:20:34 < BrainDamage> italy
2020-03-09T22:21:18 < boddax> Italy-19
2020-03-09T22:23:42 < Steffanx> So can you still do your down hill biking or is that forbidden as well now BrainDamage?
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2020-03-09T22:36:27 < Steffanx> So I opened the La7 stream. I hardly ever hear people speak italian. There are so few words I can recognize.
2020-03-09T22:44:25 < BrainDamage> since tomorrow morning whole country in lockdown
2020-03-09T22:45:52 < Steffanx> And what does that mean?
2020-03-09T22:46:07 < Steffanx> Not allowed to travel outside italy or .. no traveling at all?
2020-03-09T22:46:26 < BrainDamage> movement between provinces only allowed with a justification
2020-03-09T22:46:37 < BrainDamage> that includes even within italy itself
2020-03-09T22:47:12 < Steffanx> hm
2020-03-09T22:47:43 < BrainDamage> no urban transport limitation yet
2020-03-09T22:47:43 < boddax> no sense at all
2020-03-09T22:49:06 < boddax> imposible to check
2020-03-09T22:49:26 < BrainDamage> well, you have to put a bit faith
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2020-03-09T22:49:42 < Steffanx> In dutchland its funny. 321 cases confirmed. They're still in the "lets find the sores"-mode. Kinda useless since for almost 1/3 of them they have troubles to find that out.
2020-03-09T22:49:56 < BrainDamage> but italians being what they are they will cheat plentiful
2020-03-09T22:50:00 < tomeaton17> he sores is open now
2020-03-09T22:50:23 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: death rate in Italy sounds very worrying, compared to the other EU countries.
2020-03-09T22:50:30 < Steffanx> HAh, you have faith in your fellow italians it seems
2020-03-09T22:50:52 < tomeaton17> PaulFertser: what is it
2020-03-09T22:50:56 < boddax> even here looking for patient 0 while one month before there alredy people died
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2020-03-09T22:51:14 < Steffanx> People grow old in Italy PaulFertser :P
2020-03-09T22:51:28 < Steffanx> idk the age of those that died though
2020-03-09T22:51:42 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: the death rate per age stratum is roughly the same as the rest of the world
2020-03-09T22:51:45 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_outbreak#Epidemiology
2020-03-09T22:52:32 < tomeaton17> ok
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2020-03-09T22:53:34 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: interesting, so somehow more elderly people get infected than in the other countries.
2020-03-09T22:53:52 < tomeaton17> its at the churches
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2020-03-09T22:54:17 < Steffanx> Yeah only old people go to church.
2020-03-09T22:54:57 < tomeaton17> exactly
2020-03-09T22:55:05 < Steffanx> Not even entirely a joke. I think it dutchland its pretty much the case. The average age gets higher each year.
2020-03-09T22:55:05 < PaulFertser> no kidding?
2020-03-09T22:55:30 < tomeaton17> I don't know a single person my age who does
2020-03-09T22:55:37 < Steffanx> i have to back that up with real data though :P
2020-03-09T22:55:52 < PaulFertser> I mean that going to church makes the matters visibly worse compared to the other countries.
2020-03-09T22:56:04 < tomeaton17> oh no thats just a theory
2020-03-09T22:59:39 < Steffanx> It's all to blame on religion PaulFertser :P
2020-03-09T22:59:58 < BrainDamage> in korea it spreaded pretty fast due to a cult as well
2020-03-09T23:00:52 < Steffanx> Here it dutchland it seems the spreading started around the Carnival-time.. 
2020-03-09T23:01:21 < Steffanx> Carnival isnt entirely a religion thing, but .. the catholic kinda took it "over" and probably made it a bit more popular.
2020-03-09T23:01:43 < Steffanx> *"took it over".
2020-03-09T23:02:20 < tomeaton17> i think my festival tickets will get cancelled
2020-03-09T23:02:40 < tomeaton17> oh god is it roman catholics
2020-03-09T23:02:56 < Steffanx> Good tomeaton17
2020-03-09T23:03:17 < Steffanx> Then you can save your money for the important matters in life.
2020-03-09T23:03:40 < tomeaton17> im a student Steffanx 
2020-03-09T23:04:17 < Steffanx> Yes., you gotta save munny.
2020-03-09T23:04:23 < Steffanx> your munny*
2020-03-09T23:04:58 < tomeaton17> I already do 
2020-03-09T23:05:11 < tomeaton17> but i think i am allowed to enjoy something once in a while
2020-03-09T23:05:48 < Steffanx> What festivals btw?
2020-03-09T23:06:26 < tomeaton17> parklife
2020-03-09T23:08:45 < Steffanx> I looked it up. Then i saw the headliners and hardly have a clue who those people are :P
2020-03-09T23:08:49 < Steffanx> hardly as in .. not at all
2020-03-09T23:09:19 < tomeaton17> haha
2020-03-09T23:11:27 < PaulFertser> I guess moscow metro is likely to be as dangerous as a church then.
2020-03-09T23:11:32 < karlp> Thorn: ok, I think you've taken moka potting to a different level than me :)
2020-03-09T23:12:08 < BrainDamage> I just use a moka pot with a weighted valve
2020-03-09T23:12:13 < BrainDamage> and very low heat
2020-03-09T23:12:29 < BrainDamage> the valve makes sure that coffee goes through only when it reaches ~3 atm
2020-03-09T23:12:39 < BrainDamage> unlike the 1 atm of the standard moka
2020-03-09T23:13:06 < BrainDamage> not as good as a bar's which is 10 atm, but considerably less bitter
2020-03-09T23:13:13 < BrainDamage> not to mention, 0 effort from me
2020-03-09T23:13:17  * karlp just puts it on high and likes it how it is.
2020-03-09T23:13:26 < karlp> (though these days I've been putting hops in with the coffee)
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2020-03-09T23:14:22 < Steffanx> hops?!
2020-03-09T23:15:15 < BrainDamage> chickory is a tradition in north east italy
2020-03-09T23:18:00 < Thorn> also it turns out that I can get freshly roasted specialty grade coffee for about as much as supermarket shit https://shop.tastycoffee.ru/
2020-03-09T23:18:30 < BrainDamage> yeah, I can get quality tea for _less_ the cost of tea in supermarkets here
2020-03-09T23:18:32 < karlp> Steffanx: I have a lot of slightly older ones, and i'm not brewing much these days, so putting a bit in.  it's afine line though, too much becomes very bitter.
2020-03-09T23:18:45 < karlp> is chicory the orzo thing?
2020-03-09T23:18:53 < karlp> I had that in florence, quite liked it.
2020-03-09T23:19:09 < BrainDamage> no, chickory the salad leaf
2020-03-09T23:19:32 < BrainDamage> orzo is barley
2020-03-09T23:19:38 < BrainDamage> barley coffee is a tuscan thing
2020-03-09T23:20:00 < Thorn> chicory was a very common substitute in soviet union because real coffee was mostly unavailable
2020-03-09T23:20:25 < qyx> I have a tuscan gres porcellanato
2020-03-09T23:22:22 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: can you get oolong for cheap?
2020-03-09T23:22:55 < BrainDamage> what do you consider cheap?
2020-03-09T23:22:57 < PaulFertser> I'd drink barleywine now but our supermarkets rarely have that style
2020-03-09T23:23:33 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: at least 2x cheaper than http://oolong-tea.org :)
2020-03-09T23:24:31 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: https://www.adagiotea.co.uk/oolong/index.html
2020-03-09T23:24:33 < PaulFertser> Thorn: thank you for the coffee reference!
2020-03-09T23:25:46 < BrainDamage> formosa oolong costs 30 bucks for half a kg
2020-03-09T23:26:03 < BrainDamage> that's a year worth of tea
2020-03-09T23:26:54 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: that's cheaper indeed. Too bad russia is not in the EU, heh.
2020-03-09T23:27:26 < Thorn> PaulFertser: also https://bravos.coffee/ https://www.torrefacto.ru/ but they seem more expensive
2020-03-09T23:27:28 < PaulFertser> Do you "gonfu" tea?
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2020-03-09T23:27:39 < tomeaton17> anyone watch westworld
2020-03-09T23:27:40 < Steffanx> Neither is .co.uk PaulFertser ;)
2020-03-09T23:27:46 < Steffanx> Sure tomeaton17.
2020-03-09T23:28:00 < PaulFertser> Thorn: torrefacto I've heard about before, they're more expensive indeed.
2020-03-09T23:28:03 < tomeaton17> im watching the finale episode of season 2
2020-03-09T23:28:06 < tomeaton17> no spoilers
2020-03-09T23:28:10 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: they consider geographical europe, not political
2020-03-09T23:28:10 < Steffanx> ok
2020-03-09T23:28:14 < PaulFertser> How is the brexit going btw. Any real changes since then?
2020-03-09T23:28:18 < tomeaton17> dolores is so bad now
2020-03-09T23:28:20 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: they ship to russia too
2020-03-09T23:28:28 < Steffanx> No spoilers tomeaton17  :P
2020-03-09T23:28:51 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: wow, thanks, I had no idea EU might mean Europe, it just makes no sense at all :) 
2020-03-09T23:30:17 < BrainDamage> 5 bucks shipping is super reasonable too
2020-03-09T23:30:44 < PaulFertser> €6.95 surcharge for the russians
2020-03-09T23:31:11 < BrainDamage> ah well, still reasonable
2020-03-09T23:33:32 < BrainDamage> I would recommend the sampler
2020-03-09T23:33:36 < BrainDamage> they have pretty decent teas
2020-03-09T23:33:46 < Thorn> so the plan is to enjoy tea & coffee while we're waiting to die from the CoV?
2020-03-09T23:34:18 < BrainDamage> the little pleasures in life
2020-03-09T23:35:38 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: so how do you usually brew tea?
2020-03-09T23:36:33 < BrainDamage> for black teas I just microwave a mug of water, put a filter as big as the mug inside the mug, add leafs, stir, wait, and pull out the filter
2020-03-09T23:37:08 < BrainDamage> for white and oolong, still microwave, then put a thermometer and wait until the temp drops to a sane level, then steep
2020-03-09T23:37:17 < BrainDamage> green tea I wash it first like chinese
2020-03-09T23:37:59 < BrainDamage> I have a teapot with builtin strainer, but I only use it with guests
2020-03-09T23:38:39 < BrainDamage> generally I'm quite picky in steeping temp vs time vs tea amount
2020-03-09T23:39:24 < Steffanx> Am i bad when i say just buy some teabags (with the tea already in it) and just dip it for a while? :P
2020-03-09T23:40:15 < BrainDamage> loose leaf tea is less bitter than teabags because it's not ground
2020-03-09T23:40:43 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: sorry
2020-03-09T23:40:43 < BrainDamage> if you like it, good for you, but I don't like bitter things
2020-03-09T23:40:54 < tomeaton17> breakfast tea >
2020-03-09T23:44:13 < BrainDamage> irish breakfast blend is better than english breakfast blend though
2020-03-09T23:44:34 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: hm, interesting, why do you prefer it to "gongfu" where you can get a different taste on each iteration?
2020-03-09T23:46:09 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: I do it after I've extensively tried a tea and I know what setup I like best
2020-03-09T23:47:16 < BrainDamage> I have even notes about the times amount and temp I've tried
2020-03-09T23:47:39 < BrainDamage> if I want variation, I can always do it, but at least i have a reference about what I like best
2020-03-09T23:48:16 < tomeaton17> not true BrainDamage
2020-03-09T23:48:20 < tomeaton17> rule brittania
2020-03-09T23:49:10 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: I kinda like the feeling of progression/development/diversity I get with gongfu, it's like a flow of logically changing tastes every time.
2020-03-09T23:50:35 < tomeaton17> BrainDamage: I actually havent tried it
2020-03-09T23:50:38 < qyx> Thorn: what module did you use for SX1276?
2020-03-09T23:51:48 < Thorn> qyx: rfm95 and a CDSENET module
2020-03-09T23:52:32 < Thorn> https://aliexpress.com/item/32808552151.html
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2020-03-10T00:00:49 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: shipping is 11.90 for me, because 5 shipping plus 7 surcharge.
2020-03-10T00:01:10 < BrainDamage> sure, but even with 12e shipping it's still convenient
2020-03-10T00:01:18 < BrainDamage> esp since you can ship up to 2kg
2020-03-10T00:01:50 < BrainDamage> they sell it in laminated pouches, so it resists time quite well
2020-03-10T00:04:10 < PaulFertser> Yep, makes sense. Thank you for the reference indeed, ordering.
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2020-03-10T00:08:47 < BrainDamage> overall it's a pretty decent company, one time I had a shipment that almost reached free shipping cost, I just didn't notice
2020-03-10T00:09:02 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: do you recommend https://www.adagiotea.co.uk/pu_erh/pu_erh_poe.html ? I'm considering ordering 454g of that Formosa oolong, plus 454g of this Pu Ehr.
2020-03-10T00:09:05 < BrainDamage> they didn't charge me anything extra and added a book on teas for free
2020-03-10T00:09:28 < BrainDamage> so that I was eligible for free shipping
2020-03-10T00:09:40 < BrainDamage> yup, I love that one
2020-03-10T00:09:57 < BrainDamage> be careful, it's *extremely intense*
2020-03-10T00:10:17 < BrainDamage> you want to stay very short on the steep time, at least for the first attempts
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2020-03-10T00:11:29 < PaulFertser> I'm likely to be doing it multi-infusion style, so the first attempt will be like 10 seconds I guess.
2020-03-10T00:11:54 < Steffanx> So how you make your tea when you're not home BrainDamage 
2020-03-10T00:12:17 < Steffanx> Or do you have a pocket microwave and temperature sensor
2020-03-10T00:12:29 < PaulFertser> I drink water when I'm not home :)
2020-03-10T00:12:45 < PaulFertser> If I'm offered a teabag I ask for plain water instead.
2020-03-10T00:12:57 < Steffanx> Only water at work. Hm
2020-03-10T00:13:13 < BrainDamage> I have another mug filter, and the office has a microwave
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2020-03-10T00:13:19 < BrainDamage> and I just make black tea
2020-03-10T00:13:37 < BrainDamage> black tea steeps fine in boiling water
2020-03-10T00:13:43 < BrainDamage> and has the most caffeine
2020-03-10T00:14:20 < specing> PaulFertser: good, good
2020-03-10T00:14:28 < specing> tea bags are a major source of microplastics
2020-03-10T00:15:57 < qyx> Thorn: is the cdsenet module good?
2020-03-10T00:16:02 < qyx> looks nice
2020-03-10T00:16:11 < qyx> I wanted to have something properly screened
2020-03-10T00:16:31 < qyx> also with a legit SX1276 instead of the hope one
2020-03-10T00:16:34 < PaulFertser> And this UK shop has an opt-in checkbox for the "email spam", unlike many others where you need to be careful to uncheck it when registering.
2020-03-10T00:17:16 < Thorn> qyx: appears to be better than rfm95 but I can't really say qualitatively how much better
2020-03-10T00:20:21 < Steffanx> After-purchase spam should be forbidden. I hate those "rate us pleaaaase" emails
2020-03-10T00:22:03 < Steffanx> So what does specing use for his tea?
2020-03-10T00:23:07 < jly> Greetings kumpl
2020-03-10T00:24:13 < Steffanx> Hello hello.
2020-03-10T00:27:44 < specing> Steffanx: I use tea that comes in a large box
2020-03-10T00:27:58 < specing> you grab as much as you want with your hand and drop it into hot water
2020-03-10T00:28:33 < Steffanx> And..
2020-03-10T00:29:53 < Steffanx> No filter(ing) for specing?
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2020-03-10T00:31:45 < specing> Steffanx: for that I use a metal filtering tool (I forgot the english name for it)
2020-03-10T00:32:17 < Steffanx> I see. 
2020-03-10T00:32:32 < BrainDamage> strainer
2020-03-10T00:32:33 < PaulFertser> When I'm drinking a plain cheap tea at home I just put it in a cup, no filtering devices.
2020-03-10T00:33:08 < BrainDamage> or infuser
2020-03-10T00:33:30 < jly> i got it at aldi
2020-03-10T00:33:53 < jly> https://www.aldi.com.au/en/groceries/pantry/just-organic/just-organic-detail/ps/p/just-organic-green-tea-50pk75g/
2020-03-10T00:34:07 < PaulFertser> Tea leafs drop to the bottom after soaking enough water.
2020-03-10T00:34:44 < Steffanx> But doesnt it get way to strongly flavoured in the end?
2020-03-10T00:35:09 < BrainDamage> depends how fast you drink it
2020-03-10T00:35:17 < BrainDamage> for small amounts you can skip it
2020-03-10T00:36:42 < Steffanx> Damn I need this https://www.inkedshop.com/products/tastes-like-ass-tea-infuser
2020-03-10T00:36:49 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I'm ok with it being reasonably strong. I felt dizziness few times "overdosing" on it, that I didn't like.
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2020-03-10T00:40:38 < Steffanx> Heh tea overdose 
2020-03-10T00:40:39 < Laurenceb> keeek watching bbc news
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2020-03-10T00:40:48 < Laurenceb> >interviewing people on street 
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2020-03-10T00:41:07 < Laurenceb> >"why are people panic buying toilet roll, wrong end"
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2020-03-10T00:42:31 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/r5dxVPR.jpg
2020-03-10T00:43:11 < karlp> specing: how are tea bags a source of microplastics?
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2020-03-10T00:43:17 < Laurenceb> keek
2020-03-10T00:43:41 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I once was at an outdoor music festival and saw a guy almost die from "boiled tea" substance abuse, his friend saved him by putting a teaspoon in his throat to get the tongue out of the airway.
2020-03-10T00:43:41 < Laurenceb> karlp: some expensive ones are perforated plastic
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2020-03-10T00:44:26 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chifir
2020-03-10T00:44:52 < karlp> well, that just sounds dumb
2020-03-10T00:45:17 < qyx> are you drinking polyolefins?
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2020-03-10T00:46:26 < PaulFertser> qyx: I'm not
2020-03-10T00:46:47 < qyx> oh even PVC
2020-03-10T00:54:27 < jly> I've got the coronavirus mate
2020-03-10T00:54:41 < specing> rly?
2020-03-10T00:54:49 < jly> probably
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2020-03-10T01:05:13 < Steffanx> Such bad joke jly 
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2020-03-10T01:06:03 < jly> I feel unwell
2020-03-10T01:06:14 < tomeaton17> can you breathe?
2020-03-10T01:06:46 < jly> not perfectly
2020-03-10T01:06:54 < jly> but it think it's just a general cold
2020-03-10T01:07:03 < qyx> can you free your nose with a screwdriver?ň
2020-03-10T01:07:14 < jly> give me a minute, i'll try
2020-03-10T01:07:22 < qyx> k, waiting
2020-03-10T01:08:27 < PaulFertser> 91 confirmed cases in AU (including people from Diamond Princess) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_Australia 
2020-03-10T01:08:30 < Thorn> oops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuzPL4fC4y4
2020-03-10T01:10:53 < jly> I've had a cold for about a month
2020-03-10T01:11:07 < jly> steffanx stole my T cells
2020-03-10T01:11:33 < qyx> did it help?
2020-03-10T01:11:37 < qyx> also https://imgur.com/gallery/u1RC2Iu
2020-03-10T01:12:18 < Laurenceb> ur abbo dna will defend you
2020-03-10T01:12:19 < Steffanx> Out of Rooibos T, jly?
2020-03-10T01:12:32 < jly> or maybe B cells idk
2020-03-10T01:12:37 < jly> ask dr ocrelizumab
2020-03-10T01:12:52 < jly> Laurenceb: can't say I have any of those
2020-03-10T01:14:03 < kakimir> qyx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxTKJgsxwpE
2020-03-10T01:17:46 < jly> lol
2020-03-10T01:18:40 < jly> finland was better
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2020-03-10T01:20:25 < Steffanx> Perkele
2020-03-10T01:21:00 < karlp> 91 in aus is only like what, 3ppm?
2020-03-10T01:21:12 < jly> Perkele (Finnish: [ˈperkele] ( listen)) means evil spirit in Finnish and is a popular Finnish profanity.
2020-03-10T01:21:56 < karlp> iceland's got ~185ppm infected
2020-03-10T01:22:21 < BrainDamage> having extremely low population density will also help
2020-03-10T01:22:48 < karlp> autralia only has low density on maps. it's pretty ordinary density for where most people are.
2020-03-10T01:23:04 < BrainDamage> concentrated on the coastline?
2020-03-10T01:23:09 < karlp> yeah.
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2020-03-10T01:23:18 < karlp> and not even all the coastline
2020-03-10T01:23:31 < karlp> like, not even close to all the coastline
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2020-03-10T01:29:02 < jly> I'm hiding in a cardboard box
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2020-03-10T01:31:20 < Lux> pretty sure the actual numbers are a lot higher than official, as not everyone infected is tested
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2020-03-10T01:32:14 < BrainDamage> jly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZaIFvcUoSY
2020-03-10T01:32:19 < Lux> only the numbers in south-korea are correct as they tested pretty much anyone with slight symtoms
2020-03-10T01:32:50 < Lux> actually here they just shut down the university :)
2020-03-10T01:33:31 < Lux> but it's close to italy
2020-03-10T01:34:34 < kakimir> BrainDamage: have you bunker'd yet?
2020-03-10T01:34:50 < kakimir> have you seen infected?
2020-03-10T01:35:07 < BrainDamage> my province has 27 people, out of >300k
2020-03-10T01:35:42 < BrainDamage> 90ppm
2020-03-10T01:36:00 < BrainDamage> karlp has higher risk right now than me
2020-03-10T01:36:24 < Lux> still pretty likely that it's actually more
2020-03-10T01:36:40 < BrainDamage> even if it's a order of magnitude more, it's still low
2020-03-10T01:36:42 < Lux> but corona isn't that bad so whatever
2020-03-10T01:36:59 < BrainDamage> and we're testing anyone anyone that presents in hospital with flu-like symptoms
2020-03-10T01:37:02 < Lux> apparently 0.6% death rate
2020-03-10T01:37:27 < BrainDamage> here's much higher, but it is infecting a lot o the elder population
2020-03-10T01:37:32 < Lux> you can also have infected people who just get a cough
2020-03-10T01:37:46 < Lux> it's higher cause not everyone is diagnosed
2020-03-10T01:37:53 < jly> ty BrainDamage 
2020-03-10T01:38:14 < jly> i need to get a grenade launcher
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2020-03-10T01:40:39 < BrainDamage> jly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M203_grenade_launcher is legal in the usa
2020-03-10T01:41:03 < jly> hope i can get it from digikey
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2020-03-10T01:43:02 < englishman> fun fact: the $200 tax was introduced in 1934 when $200 was unaffordable. it is illegal to raise this tax.
2020-03-10T01:44:31 < Cracki> ok what's the highest ppm of infected we can find anywhere?
2020-03-10T01:45:43 < specing> englishman: illegal? Why?
2020-03-10T01:46:11 < englishman> idk it has to be done with some special murican politics
2020-03-10T01:46:26 < englishman> but it's been $200 for almost 100 years
2020-03-10T01:46:51 < englishman> hence the explosion in popularity of cool ass guns and rocket launchers n shit in usa
2020-03-10T01:48:24 < Laurenceb> britbong law is rage inducing
2020-03-10T01:48:31 < Laurenceb>  "rocket launchers" are illegal
2020-03-10T01:48:37 < Laurenceb> no info on what one is
2020-03-10T01:48:47 < englishman> so rpgs are ok
2020-03-10T01:48:48 < Laurenceb> so launching a firework is technically illegal
2020-03-10T01:48:52 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-10T01:49:25 < Laurenceb> its also illegal to detonate a thermonuclear device
2020-03-10T01:49:43 < englishman> Honda kills the Clarity Electric vehicle as sedan sales continue to struggle
2020-03-10T01:49:50 < englishman> lol you mean a car with 80km range doesn't sell?
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2020-03-10T01:52:33 < Laurenceb> https://preview.redd.it/rqi3mzb83yqy.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=705a32a0bc4209c5c0d6b5b129e1ac1ca1f66491
2020-03-10T01:54:05 < Laurenceb> shit, its illegal for britbong citizens to detonate a thermonuclear device anywhere in the world
2020-03-10T01:54:49 < Laurenceb> unless under the authorisation of hm armed forces
2020-03-10T01:55:01 < Laurenceb> nuking mars is still ok
2020-03-10T01:57:06 < BrainDamage> tired: diy space rocket race, inspired: diy space rocket race
2020-03-10T01:57:22 < BrainDamage> diy space nuke race, sorry
2020-03-10T01:57:35 < englishman> diy rocket space race
2020-03-10T01:57:42 < BrainDamage> yes, those exist
2020-03-10T01:58:20 < Laurenceb> space masterrace
2020-03-10T01:58:34 < englishman> what is the intersection of countries that don't have any infections and countries capable of biological warfare
2020-03-10T01:58:49 < Laurenceb> >when u realise earth is the aliens death camp
2020-03-10T01:58:52 < englishman> nauru is responsible for coronavirus
2020-03-10T02:01:20 < englishman> where is mawk
2020-03-10T02:03:00 < Laurenceb> >the earthlings all died from COVID-19, there was no gassing
2020-03-10T02:03:34 < tomeaton17> based
2020-03-10T02:04:13 < Laurenceb> tfw u get arrested for launching a firework without a loicense
2020-03-10T02:05:23 < Laurenceb> ok serious mode
2020-03-10T02:05:31 < Laurenceb> where do I download german patents
2020-03-10T02:05:41 < tomeaton17> 4chan
2020-03-10T02:06:12 < englishman> german patents are illegal due to excessive lunix usage
2020-03-10T02:06:24 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-10T02:06:46 < englishman> scientists in london will pay volunteers £3,500 to be infected in experiments to develop a vaccine for the deadly virus
2020-03-10T02:06:51 < englishman> found a new job for you larent
2020-03-10T02:07:13 < tomeaton17> I saw that
2020-03-10T02:07:16 < tomeaton17> am tempted
2020-03-10T02:07:25 < jadew> is that for real?
2020-03-10T02:07:29 < Laurenceb> sheet
2020-03-10T02:07:39 < Laurenceb> I could isolate the virus to make a bioweapon
2020-03-10T02:07:46 < Laurenceb> then sell it to Kim Jung Ill
2020-03-10T02:07:48 < kakimir> jadew calculates 1+1 in his head
2020-03-10T02:08:13 < jadew> kakimir, I'm already booking a ticket
2020-03-10T02:08:23 < tomeaton17> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6OtF7daIPM
2020-03-10T02:08:34 < kakimir> after all in romania 3500 pounds is millionare
2020-03-10T02:08:42 < jadew> lol
2020-03-10T02:08:44 < jadew> it's not
2020-03-10T02:08:52 < kakimir> ik
2020-03-10T02:09:01 < jadew> it used to be tho
2020-03-10T02:09:18 < jadew> would have meant 190 million a decade or so ago
2020-03-10T02:09:34 < jadew> now it's just 19k
2020-03-10T02:10:04 < jadew> the old generation still speaks in millions
2020-03-10T02:10:53 < jadew> they come back with some juice, some cheese and some vegetables and they've spent 1 million
2020-03-10T02:12:33 < Cracki> the equivalent of dad jokes
2020-03-10T02:13:30 < jadew> an older friend of mine was telling me about his discussions with his grandmother, who lived through many economical changes
2020-03-10T02:13:50 < Cracki> til: beavers have bacteria in their equivalent of an appendix that can break down cellulose... but not all of it right away. they eat their own poop to give it another spin.
2020-03-10T02:13:59 < jadew> and he said he asked her once how much she was earning when she was young and she said 20
2020-03-10T02:14:07 < jadew> - and how much did an egg cost?
2020-03-10T02:14:10 < jadew> - 5 million.
2020-03-10T02:14:13 < Cracki> maybe coronavirus is a plot to kill off all the old people so we forget history quicker
2020-03-10T02:14:28 < Cracki> 20 wat per wat
2020-03-10T02:14:48 < jadew> 20 romanian money per day or per month (don't know)
2020-03-10T02:14:55 < Cracki> so four eggs a day
2020-03-10T02:15:00 < jadew> no
2020-03-10T02:15:04 < jadew> an egg was 5 million
2020-03-10T02:15:10 < englishman> laurent stopped chatting cuz he's filling out a coronavirus infection application form
2020-03-10T02:15:18 < Cracki> ah so four MICRO eggs per day
2020-03-10T02:15:26 < jadew> yeah :P
2020-03-10T02:15:47 < jadew> englishman, he said a neighbour of his got it
2020-03-10T02:15:53 < jadew> or was suspected
2020-03-10T02:15:59 < Cracki> were eggs luxury goods
2020-03-10T02:16:12 < jadew> Cracki, no, she was just confusing periods
2020-03-10T02:16:40 < jadew> at some point all food was luxury
2020-03-10T02:16:42 < Cracki> perhaps eggs would have helped with forgetfulness
2020-03-10T02:16:49 < kakimir> I have lattice diamond open now
2020-03-10T02:17:07 < kakimir> it's a wall of buttons and abbreviations 
2020-03-10T02:17:09 < Cracki> communism, it's so good, you can't afford it
2020-03-10T02:17:25 < Cracki> a diamond lattice
2020-03-10T02:17:55 < Cracki> did they give their gui a 45 degree turn so it looks diamondish
2020-03-10T02:22:16 < kakimir> I don't think this is something you just start using
2020-03-10T02:22:45 < kakimir> like some eclipse IDE for micro
2020-03-10T02:23:49 < Cracki> heeehe
2020-03-10T02:24:26 < Cracki> ides have some common core. you edit text, there's a compile button, you can save "the project"
2020-03-10T02:25:31 < Cracki> last time I got to deal with fpga IDEs, they had tons of features that nobody prepared us for, so it means reading the introduction. same for mechanical CAD
2020-03-10T02:31:08 < Cracki> humans help beavers build dams https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDuUf-mWY7Q
2020-03-10T02:37:51 < zyp> kakimir, part of the point of the lattice parts are that you don't need to use the lattice tools
2020-03-10T02:38:12 < kakimir> I just have a look
2020-03-10T02:38:39 < kakimir> http://www.latticesemi.com/ecp5-evaluation 99bucks
2020-03-10T02:38:42 < kakimir> nobrainer?
2020-03-10T02:38:54 < kakimir> I mean there is nothing out there but that
2020-03-10T02:40:53 < zyp> there's also the versa thing
2020-03-10T02:41:07 < kakimir> that is versa
2020-03-10T02:41:08 < kakimir> 5g
2020-03-10T02:41:23 < kakimir> not the pci-e one
2020-03-10T02:41:24 < zyp> and a bunch of third party stuff that's «available soon» 
2020-03-10T02:41:37 < kakimir> "available soon"
2020-03-10T02:41:57 < zyp> (tm)
2020-03-10T02:42:14 < zyp> versa also comes in a 5G version
2020-03-10T02:42:19 < zyp> $250-ish
2020-03-10T02:42:22 < Ultrasauce> not a lot of useful stuff on that board
2020-03-10T02:42:23 < Ultrasauce> get the versa
2020-03-10T02:42:42 < kakimir> show me
2020-03-10T02:43:11 < zyp> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/lattice-semiconductor-corporation/LFE5UM5G-45F-VERSA-EVN/LFE5UM5G-45F-VERSA-EVN-ND/6286581
2020-03-10T02:44:13 < zyp> mouser got it in stock
2020-03-10T02:45:12 < doomba> https://i.imgur.com/XbC0BXZ.jpg
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2020-03-10T02:48:33 < kakimir> pci-e sounds easier than usb3.0
2020-03-10T02:50:19 < karlp> doomba: harhar
2020-03-10T02:50:25 < antto> pea sea oi ee
2020-03-10T02:51:00 < zyp> kakimir, well, at least it's officially supported
2020-03-10T02:51:10 < kakimir> well that too
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2020-03-10T03:00:15 < kakimir> I think that board is safe bet
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2020-03-10T03:43:25 < Laurenceb> https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNet/depatisnet?window=1&space=main&content=einsteiger&action=treffer&firstdoc=1
2020-03-10T03:43:39 < Laurenceb> hmm thats not right
2020-03-10T03:44:00 < Laurenceb> anyways, DE000002754114A1=stratosolar btfo'd
2020-03-10T03:48:19 < englishman> The original concept was to concentrate and direct light concentrated by a buoyant cassegrain reflector telescope structure down a buoyant reflective pipe [4] to the ground for use in conventional steam turbine power generation.
2020-03-10T03:48:33 < englishman> sounds like it was always a troll company
2020-03-10T03:49:22 < englishman> http://www.stratosolar.com/uploads/5/6/7/1/5671050/published/558274728.png
2020-03-10T03:49:27 < englishman> nice flitesim x render
2020-03-10T03:50:20 < englishman> http://www.stratosolar.com/blog/archives/05-2011
2020-03-10T03:50:23 < englishman> 9 years old?
2020-03-10T03:50:29 < englishman> and you're still on it?
2020-03-10T03:50:35 < englishman> zano could have come and gone 3 times
2020-03-10T03:52:26 < Laurenceb> >trying to get funding from google
2020-03-10T03:52:42 < Laurenceb> the basic concept is a cool idea tho
2020-03-10T03:52:53 < Laurenceb> I need to find something thats actually patentable
2020-03-10T03:53:09 < Laurenceb>  DE000002754114A1 looks like the basic idea was patented in 1977
2020-03-10T03:53:36 < englishman> perhaps you can combine your passion for renewable energy with your hatred of anime
2020-03-10T03:53:45 < kakimir> you want some of that google money Laurenceb?
2020-03-10T03:53:49 < Laurenceb> NO
2020-03-10T03:53:54 < Laurenceb> google can die in a fire
2020-03-10T03:54:04 < kakimir> get their money first
2020-03-10T03:54:14 < Laurenceb> my friend from uni worked at makani, look how that one worked out...
2020-03-10T03:54:52 < Laurenceb> they turned it into a retarded ground level kite boondoggle thing
2020-03-10T03:55:05 < Laurenceb> it was meant to be a jet stream wind turbine
2020-03-10T03:55:46 < Laurenceb> kakimir: is openfoam any good for basic drag modelling?
2020-03-10T03:55:51 < Laurenceb> werent you using it?
2020-03-10T03:56:02 < Laurenceb> I was to sim this thing...
2020-03-10T03:56:04 < kakimir> I were autisming over it
2020-03-10T03:56:05 < Laurenceb> *want
2020-03-10T03:56:07 < Laurenceb> k
2020-03-10T03:56:12 < kakimir> not using
2020-03-10T03:56:17 < Laurenceb> ok lmao
2020-03-10T03:56:26 < kakimir> but what I recall drag modelling is hard
2020-03-10T03:56:32 < Laurenceb> yeah it a pita
2020-03-10T03:56:52 < Laurenceb> but the good news is all the basic shapes were simmed/wind tunneled to death by about 1965
2020-03-10T03:57:49 < kakimir> what is up with all the propellers in that thing Laurenceb?
2020-03-10T03:58:18 < kakimir> or "screws"
2020-03-10T03:58:44 < kakimir> they are generating electricity on board?
2020-03-10T04:00:47 < kakimir> why didn't they go with tow motor/generator and one big ass wing?
2020-03-10T04:01:02 < Laurenceb> huh
2020-03-10T04:01:12 < kakimir> they are generating electricity on board
2020-03-10T04:01:20 < jadew> just talked to someone in China, she said things are getting back to normal
2020-03-10T04:01:25 < Laurenceb> oh makani yeah
2020-03-10T04:01:34 < jadew> and that in her region there were no new cases in more than 2 weeks
2020-03-10T04:01:39 < Laurenceb> it has high speed turbines onboard
2020-03-10T04:01:49 < kakimir> virus obeys ccp orders jadew
2020-03-10T04:04:57 < jadew> how will we know if anyone here is going to die?
2020-03-10T04:06:55 < kakimir> Laurenceb: what did google do?
2020-03-10T04:08:41 < englishman> if you don't remember them, were they ever really alive?
2020-03-10T04:10:32 < kakimir> indeed
2020-03-10T04:11:02 < Laurenceb> kakimir: they shut down makani
2020-03-10T04:11:11 < Laurenceb> bought up the company then shut it down
2020-03-10T04:11:18 < kakimir> it's what google does
2020-03-10T04:11:26 < kakimir> buys a company and then scraps it
2020-03-10T04:11:33 < jadew> what was that company doing?
2020-03-10T04:11:40 < kakimir> flying wind mill
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2020-03-10T04:12:32 < BrainDamage> why wing vs blimp? too much drag?
2020-03-10T04:12:45 < Laurenceb> yeah I was modelling this
2020-03-10T04:13:09 < Laurenceb> if a wing can generate lift then in theory it can be made to act like a kite
2020-03-10T04:13:22 < Laurenceb> so it doesnt get blown down in high stratospheric winds
2020-03-10T04:13:42 < BrainDamage> I mean, all the drag that a blimp has is requirements on tensile strength of the tether
2020-03-10T04:13:58 < Laurenceb> but it looked like in practice it wasnt worth bothering, as the tether line needed to be stronger and that counteracted the benefits due to tether drag
2020-03-10T04:14:32 < Laurenceb> there was maybe a benefit to a wing over the south island of new zealand
2020-03-10T04:14:33 < kakimir> in makani kite?
2020-03-10T04:14:50 < Laurenceb> where the jet stream/stratospheric vortex is nasty and hard to avoid
2020-03-10T04:15:12 < Laurenceb> kakimir: yes, but thats a wind power device and was originally design to hover in the middle of the jet stream
2020-03-10T04:15:34 < kakimir> in.. 10km?
2020-03-10T04:15:35 < Laurenceb> I'm looking at stratospheric solar power blimp type devices that avoid nasty wind conditions
2020-03-10T04:15:38 < Laurenceb> yeah
2020-03-10T04:15:45  * Laurenceb zzz
2020-03-10T04:15:58 < kakimir> eh.. 10km.. eh
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2020-03-10T04:25:59 < kakimir>  they didn't see a problem in that when they started
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2020-03-10T05:44:02 < englishman> I heard branjb died of coronavirus and noone cared
2020-03-10T05:47:16 < dongs> who?
2020-03-10T05:52:25 < Thorn> https://www.reddit.com/r/Covid2019/comments/fg0imt/coronavirus_doc_in_wuhan_high_blood_pressure_is/
2020-03-10T05:52:38 < Thorn> High Blood Pressure Is Major Death Risk
2020-03-10T05:53:23 < jadew> so drink a lot
2020-03-10T05:53:34 < Thorn> https://www.reddit.com/r/Covid2019/comments/fah93r/a_vaccine_isnt_coming/
2020-03-10T05:56:09 < jadew> who wants to bet the USA will have more deaths and cases than Italy in 3 weeks time?
2020-03-10T05:57:22 < Thorn> last week, a taxi driver came into a hospital and infected 40 doctors/nurses. don't remember which city
2020-03-10T05:57:32 < jadew> in the US?
2020-03-10T05:57:35 < Thorn> yes
2020-03-10T05:57:39 < jadew> jeez...
2020-03-10T05:57:39 < Thorn> how many incidents like these are undiscovered
2020-03-10T05:57:47 < Thorn> they still don't have tests
2020-03-10T05:58:06 < jadew> oh, I thought they managed to get tests
2020-03-10T05:58:12 < jadew> then perhaps it's a bad bet
2020-03-10T05:58:27 < Thorn> + unknown number of passengers before that
2020-03-10T05:59:33 < Thorn> so the actual # of cases is impossible to calculate accurately at this point, e^{a*x} is very sensitive to a
2020-03-10T06:00:41 < jadew> we're at 17 confirmed cases now
2020-03-10T06:00:53 < jadew> I wonder at what number the panic will settle in
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2020-03-10T06:01:57 < Thorn> when people start going severe and die en masse
2020-03-10T06:02:55 < Cracki> it helps to report that a casualty was old and frail
2020-03-10T06:03:37 < Cracki> the two germans that died so far, one was an old man and he died in egypt, and another was an old woman
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2020-03-10T06:06:55 < Cracki> my lemonade is vegan... now I want to know what a certified non-vegan lemonade has to contain
2020-03-10T06:07:05 < jadew> I'm off to bed, hope everyone is cured by noon
2020-03-10T06:07:23 < jadew> Cracki, bio apples
2020-03-10T06:07:39 < Cracki> :P
2020-03-10T06:08:08 < jadew> night o/
2020-03-10T06:08:13 < Thorn> night
2020-03-10T06:08:52 < Cracki> raised arm salutes are coming in fashion again
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2020-03-10T09:04:41 < dongs> what the fuck is "exit"????
2020-03-10T09:04:54 < dongs>     }else if(buff[i] == '\0'){
2020-03-10T09:04:54 < dongs>       exit;
2020-03-10T09:04:56 < dongs> ????
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2020-03-10T09:12:04 < jpa-> dongs: sounds like define somewhere
2020-03-10T09:12:15 < jpa-> #define exit break    ;)
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2020-03-10T09:14:12 < dongs> you gotta be fucking kidding me
2020-03-10T09:14:17 < dongs> who the efuck woudl do that
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2020-03-10T09:20:09 < antto> dongs where'd u read that?
2020-03-10T09:21:48 < dongs> some retards retarduino code
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2020-03-10T09:22:41 < antto> don't read crapduino "code" .. it's crap
2020-03-10T09:22:46 < dongs> ya no shit
2020-03-10T09:23:11 < antto> as its name suggests
2020-03-10T09:26:30 < antto> https://i.imgur.com/pS8f20w.png ;P~
2020-03-10T09:27:18 < antto> mr bitmask is in muh code
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2020-03-10T09:38:29 < dongs> autism
2020-03-10T09:38:31 < dongs> .hpp
2020-03-10T09:38:33 < dongs> who the fuck
2020-03-10T09:38:34 < dongs> uses that shit
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2020-03-10T09:41:38  * antto <-
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2020-03-10T10:04:46 < c10ud> jpa- featured on hackaday
2020-03-10T10:07:47 < PaulFertser> c10ud: link please
2020-03-10T10:08:28 < c10ud> PaulFertser, https://hackaday.com/2020/03/10/the-best-voltage-and-current-reference-this-side-of-a-test-lab/
2020-03-10T10:08:38 < PaulFertser> c10ud: thnx
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2020-03-10T10:31:27 < Steffanx> Did you send that in or is someone monitoring essentials crap, jpa-  ?
2020-03-10T10:31:40 < Steffanx> And why JPA and not jpa-  :o
2020-03-10T10:33:09 < jpa-> Steffanx: i sent my own crap in
2020-03-10T10:33:37 < jpa-> Steffanx: and on the pcb its my initials and not my nick! :)
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2020-03-10T11:30:15 < PaulFertser> jpa-: such a nice and elaborated article, thank you for sharing!
2020-03-10T11:33:06 < PaulFertser> s/elaborated/elaborate/
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2020-03-10T11:41:50 < PaulFertser> jpa-: btw, did you give the schematics any simulated testing prior to manufacturing?
2020-03-10T11:42:32 < jpa-> PaulFertser: nope
2020-03-10T11:45:47 < qyx> jpa- has a new pcb?
2020-03-10T11:45:48 < qyx> where
2020-03-10T11:46:45 < PaulFertser> qyx: http://essentialscrap.com/vref/
2020-03-10T11:47:44 < jpa-> i have new pcbs every week, this one was special only in that it worked ;)
2020-03-10T11:47:55 < PaulFertser> The board looks milled
2020-03-10T11:48:09 < jpa-> yeah, it is
2020-03-10T11:59:26 < karlp> TIL abotu kibble balances
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2020-03-10T12:04:15 < jpa-> hello tectu
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2020-03-10T12:06:14 < qyx> karlp: re: nbiot modules, apparently EU operators tend to certify some modules for usage in their network
2020-03-10T12:06:20 < tcth> hi there
2020-03-10T12:06:37 < qyx> karlp: for example deutsche telekom has ~4 modules, so there is not that many to choose from
2020-03-10T12:07:07 < qyx> and they operate a significant part of the europe
2020-03-10T12:08:39 < karlp> I actually think nbiot is too nb for me really, unless they're going to make them way cheaper.
2020-03-10T12:08:41 < qyx> I sent them few questions about the certification itself, if that means I cannot use anything other because either it doesn't work or they don't allow it
2020-03-10T12:09:06 < karlp> I'm really not excited about this idea of having to have different SKUs for every fucking region just to switch modems.
2020-03-10T12:09:26 < qyx> you don't have to, there are modems supporting ~10 different bands
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2020-03-10T12:10:10 < qyx> ie. BG96MA from quacktel has 6 NB-IoT bands + fallback 4 band 2G
2020-03-10T12:10:19 < qyx> *4 bands from 2G
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2020-03-10T12:38:20 < dongs> NiggerBand IoT
2020-03-10T12:38:47 < dongs> qyx: ya, i did some LTE trash for goox and they have a list of KC-certified shits
2020-03-10T12:38:55 < dongs> they wont issue you a simcard for a module unless its certified
2020-03-10T12:39:02 < dongs> so no RaNdOm ChInQ stuff
2020-03-10T12:39:06 < dongs> if you want it to be on the network
2020-03-10T12:39:39 < dongs> is BG96MA in china?
2020-03-10T12:39:49 < dongs> omg 5G IOT MODULE
2020-03-10T12:42:34 < karlp> speaking of, here's some music for you dongs: https://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast-episode.aspx?id=719
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2020-03-10T12:46:27 < englishman> jpa-: cool
2020-03-10T12:46:38 < englishman> my company makes p much the same thing and sells it to nist
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2020-03-10T12:47:16 < englishman> which they calibrate against physical standards so it becomes the nist current reference
2020-03-10T12:47:33 < englishman> it sure doesn't cost millions of dollars
2020-03-10T12:47:36 < englishman> and has msp430
2020-03-10T12:54:06 < englishman> I should have said verified not calibrated. there are no adjustments
2020-03-10T12:54:45 < dongs> holy shit
2020-03-10T12:54:48 < dongs> more stories from retarduino
2020-03-10T12:55:08 < dongs> this dude made a struct with a bunch of String inside and put it in a header. somehow C++ being retarded shit it is, made a copy of said struct in every cpp file
2020-03-10T12:55:19 < dongs> adding like 8k per file (to bss/ram)
2020-03-10T12:55:37 < dongs> ended up using like 100k ram, which after getting rid of retarded struct dropped down to 20k
2020-03-10T12:57:31 < karlp> yar, I did tht once. put a static thing in a header, got copies per file.... felt pretty dumb.
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2020-03-10T12:57:52 < karlp> only i didn't run out of ram, I just tried to use them as if it was one instance, 
2020-03-10T12:59:21 < PaulFertser> dongs: C++ is being no different to C there. So C is equally retarded.
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2020-03-10T13:00:33 < dongs> PaulFertser: well, it does SOMETHING because it actually built in C++
2020-03-10T13:00:44 < dongs> i think in C that would result in multiple objects being liknked
2020-03-10T13:01:03 < dongs> struct NiggerFaggot crap[] = { // about 8k worth of shit };
2020-03-10T13:01:07 < dongs> is what was in .h file
2020-03-10T13:01:32 < karlp> so C would have said "dupilcte definition" 
2020-03-10T13:01:36 < dongs> yeah
2020-03-10T13:01:37 < PaulFertser> By default you won't get any warnings with C in cases like that, no.
2020-03-10T13:01:43 < karlp> if you made them static you'd get copies per file still
2020-03-10T13:01:43 < dongs> wut
2020-03-10T13:01:52 < dongs> karlp: yeah it was const, too
2020-03-10T13:01:57 < dongs> maybe not satatic
2020-03-10T13:01:59 < dongs> already delted either way
2020-03-10T13:02:06 < karlp> c++ name mangled them so you didn't need get dupes
2020-03-10T13:02:07 < dongs> idk why it was in ram if it was const
2020-03-10T13:02:12 < dongs> [prolly cuz String is a retardedd class
2020-03-10T13:02:17 < dongs> karlp: yes, right
2020-03-10T13:02:37 < dongs> hmm
2020-03-10T13:02:39 < dongs> actaulyl no
2020-03-10T13:02:43 < dongs>  .bss._ZL14DSP_STRING_MAP
2020-03-10T13:02:46 < dongs> they're all called this
2020-03-10T13:02:49 < dongs> in every file
2020-03-10T13:02:53 < dongs> oh wait
2020-03-10T13:02:56 < dongs> ZL13, ZL14 etc
2020-03-10T13:02:57 < dongs> lmao'
2020-03-10T13:03:01 < dongs> prolly per each instance of .cpp
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2020-03-10T13:04:26 < dongs> zyp: did you ever replied where you want your wires? they should be done anyday now. jp or no?
2020-03-10T13:05:16 < dongs> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/03/09/risc_v_intel_amd_arm/ nice article
2020-03-10T13:05:31 < qyx> dongs: did they require CE of the device before issuing SIMs? or whatever thing you have in .jp
2020-03-10T13:05:40 < dongs> qyx: thats what i meant
2020-03-10T13:05:44 < dongs> KC = gook equiv of CQ
2020-03-10T13:05:46 < dongs> er CE
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2020-03-10T13:06:05 < dongs> they won't issue sims to a device that has uncertified module
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2020-03-10T13:06:19 < qyx> but there are 2 different things, there are modules with ETSI/CE and without DT
2020-03-10T13:06:28 < qyx> and modues having both ETSI/CE and DT
2020-03-10T13:06:29 < qyx> BUT
2020-03-10T13:06:36 < dongs> as long as its KC they don't care (in my case)
2020-03-10T13:06:37 < qyx> do they require your device to be certified?
2020-03-10T13:06:39 < dongs> i dont know about EU shit tho
2020-03-10T13:06:42 < dongs> yea
2020-03-10T13:06:46 < dongs> device needs to go through cert too
2020-03-10T13:06:51 < qyx> I mean the whole device, not the module
2020-03-10T13:06:53 < qyx> hm, oh
2020-03-10T13:06:53 < dongs> but module doesnt need to be re-certified
2020-03-10T13:06:54 < dongs> yes
2020-03-10T13:07:01 < qyx> yeh understood
2020-03-10T13:07:10 < dongs> im gonna have a bunch of lora tarsh getting certirifed soon
2020-03-10T13:07:16 < dongs> fucking aids IoT garbage
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2020-03-10T13:07:56 < dongs> the gateway has LTE shit
2020-03-10T13:08:05 < dongs> actually hateway already passed cert
2020-03-10T13:08:13 < dongs> it did have some KC-done lte thing in it
2020-03-10T13:08:24 < dongs> tehre's a few nodes still work in progress
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2020-03-10T13:09:55 < qyx> is it a super confidential thing?
2020-03-10T13:10:22 < qyx> I would like to see the cert report of the LTE thing recertification
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2020-03-10T13:12:32 < karlp> anyone know what's inside this? https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/accessories-and-monitors/cables-and-adapters/adapters/CABLE-BO-TP-Ethernet-Ext-Cable/p/4X90F84315 is it a "standard" compact ethernet thing?
2020-03-10T13:14:10 < karlp> it's not rj point 5,
2020-03-10T13:14:23 < karlp> but it's by all accounts a passive conenctor, not usb
2020-03-10T13:15:10 < zyp> maybe magnetics?
2020-03-10T13:16:45 < zyp> dongs, I'm in jp now, so if they can be here within a couple of weeks they can be sent here
2020-03-10T13:18:11 < karlp> it's got 14 contacts, and round at one end, otherwise similar to ix industrial, but...
2020-03-10T13:19:18 < zyp> it says «Unique port», I read that as proprietary
2020-03-10T13:19:49 < zyp> 14 contacts can be 8 signals and a bunch of grounds, or perhaps center taps
2020-03-10T13:19:58 < zyp> if it has magnetics
2020-03-10T13:20:04 < qyx> yeah I understand it the same
2020-03-10T13:20:07 < qyx> maybe LED signals
2020-03-10T13:20:45 < jpa-> englishman: what kind of accuracy is that?
2020-03-10T13:22:57 < karlp> hrm, I guess ix industrial would have meant no leds. seems pretty special
2020-03-10T13:23:13  * karlp isn't convinced this laptop is thin enough to warrant it, but whatever, not mine.
2020-03-10T13:24:07 < zyp> doesn't have to be external magnetics
2020-03-10T13:24:19 < zyp> could be 8 signals and NC pins
2020-03-10T13:24:23 < zyp> or leds
2020-03-10T13:26:07 < englishman> jpa-: around what yours is? as good opamp and 0.01% resistors will let you get. even at small currents (largest tia gain is like 10Gohm) that's plenty of precision
2020-03-10T13:27:53 < jpa-> englishman: heh :)
2020-03-10T13:28:10 < BrainDamage> with 0.01% resistor you need to be concerned about temp changes
2020-03-10T13:28:39 < jpa-> they usually have a quite low temperature coefficient at that tolerance
2020-03-10T13:33:01 < englishman> the fun part is, if we want our own current reference, we have to build another one and send it to nist, so they can check it, and tell us our reference is as good as their reference, which is ours
2020-03-10T13:33:57 < karlp> do you mean nist nist, or canadian nist, or is nist shared?
2020-03-10T13:35:11 < tomeaton17> what do you guys use for wiring diagrams
2020-03-10T13:36:50 < zyp> mspaint
2020-03-10T13:37:02 < tomeaton17> seriously?
2020-03-10T13:37:21 < zyp> no.
2020-03-10T13:37:30 < tomeaton17> ok
2020-03-10T13:37:44 < zyp> I mean, what sort of wiring diagrams are you thinking of?
2020-03-10T13:39:28 < englishman> nist nist
2020-03-10T13:40:45 < tomeaton17> just showing how mcu is connected to sensr arrays
2020-03-10T13:40:47 < jpa-> i use xpaint  http://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/kytkis778.png
2020-03-10T13:42:03 < karlp> too cool even for colours
2020-03-10T13:42:08 < karlp> nice, very hipster cred
2020-03-10T13:42:31 < tomeaton17> I will try in altium I guess
2020-03-10T13:43:18 < englishman> Vizio
2020-03-10T13:43:46 < tomeaton17> englishman: good idea
2020-03-10T13:44:11 < jpa-> karlp: i only use color for the more complex stuff http://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/negative.png
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2020-03-10T13:44:26 < tomeaton17> very neat
2020-03-10T13:45:06 < karlp> bleh, dutch IT is working from home out of covid, won't fix anything til next week. good job guys.
2020-03-10T13:45:43 < tomeaton17> visio isn't included in my office 365
2020-03-10T13:46:28 < tcth> karlp, I send everybody to home work two weeks ago. Yesterday the Swiss government officially recommended/asked all employeers to let their employees work from home wherever possible or if not to at least allow them to shift their arrival/departure times to even out the high commuter rates
2020-03-10T13:46:48 < tcth> tomeaton17, I am pretty sure it never was part of office 365. I always had to get separate licenses for as far as I can remember
2020-03-10T13:46:59 < Steffanx> I'm not, karlp 
2020-03-10T13:47:03 < tomeaton17> tcth: I see
2020-03-10T13:47:11 < tomeaton17> maybe they have it on university computer
2020-03-10T13:47:12 < Steffanx> Only noord-brabant is doing that
2020-03-10T13:47:31 < tcth> fracking town?
2020-03-10T13:47:46 < Steffanx> No COVID-19 where I live, yet.
2020-03-10T13:48:05 < Steffanx> 50km away is far enough :P
2020-03-10T13:48:13 < tcth> tomeaton17, for like two (or three?) years they included visio into the overall office 365 experience as in: same application bundle/style/feel/integrations. But it´s always a separate license
2020-03-10T13:48:24 < jadew> 2 confirmed cases in my city
2020-03-10T13:48:33 < tomeaton17> okay
2020-03-10T13:48:41 < tcth> so how´s jadew dealing with covid?
2020-03-10T13:49:09 < jadew> hopefully I won't have to
2020-03-10T13:49:22 < tcth> did you lock your kids in the basement yet?
2020-03-10T13:49:34 < jadew> yes
2020-03-10T13:49:50 < jadew> I pulled my kid out of school a couple of days before the government shut down the schools
2020-03-10T13:51:06 < karlp> Steffanx: this is in boxmeer? not my problem, they did something to their own network, it can stay broken til they fix it.
2020-03-10T13:51:19 < tcth> closing down schools has been a heavily discussed topic here. They decided not to close down the public schools as assessments show that that would make matters worse because then you have a shit load of kids that can´t go to school with either no-one to take care of them (so they end up lurking around on the streets) or the economical impact would be much bigger because parents can´t attend work anymore. So instead they decided to just put a lot of focu
2020-03-10T13:51:19 < tcth> s on explaning what´s going on, how to handle it and how to wash your hands at school.
2020-03-10T13:51:20 < tomeaton17> no site wide access to visio
2020-03-10T13:51:23 < tomeaton17> time to visit the bay
2020-03-10T13:51:40 < karlp> me and the wife were dancign this morning, school was re-opened. (after strikes)
2020-03-10T13:51:50 < tcth> tomeaton17, visio is one of the only tools where I still don´t have a decent alternative for...
2020-03-10T13:52:06 < tcth> karlp, sexy dancing?
2020-03-10T13:52:08 < karlp> dia is ok for some stuff.
2020-03-10T13:52:23 < tomeaton17> karlp: is it open sores?
2020-03-10T13:52:26 < karlp> tcth: hah, I wish, no, it was while brushing both the daughteres teeth
2020-03-10T13:52:34 < tcth> hah :p
2020-03-10T13:52:45 < karlp> tomeaton17: yar
2020-03-10T13:52:54 < karlp> I don't love dia, but it works sometimes.
2020-03-10T13:53:03 < karlp> there was something else I was using too.... hrmmm.
2020-03-10T13:53:09 < tcth> > I don't love dia, but it works sometimes.
2020-03-10T13:53:10 < tcth> that ^
2020-03-10T13:53:22 < tcth> karlp, would be looking forward if you can come up with the name
2020-03-10T13:53:29 < tcth> Mac has a really nice tool for this sort of stuff
2020-03-10T13:53:42 < karlp> oh yeah, libreoffice draw can do a lot of it.
2020-03-10T13:53:59 < karlp> depends how heavy you were after. if you want boxes with lines ebtween them clicking together, works fine
2020-03-10T13:54:12 < tcth> nah I need more than that
2020-03-10T13:54:17 < tcth> if you have a mac, this is the way to go: https://www.omnigroup.com/omnigraffle
2020-03-10T13:55:18 < tcth> back when I looked into visio alternatives I also looked into yED, smartdraw and visualparadigm
2020-03-10T13:56:02 < tcth> tomeaton17, you might want to check out yED:  yworks.com/products/yed
2020-03-10T13:56:11 < karlp> well, what are you after in visio? libreoffice draw does a lot more than you might think....
2020-03-10T13:57:35 < karlp> I think I actually used this one the most last time I was making them: https://www.websequencediagrams.com/
2020-03-10T13:57:45 < karlp> let me store the source as just some text as well.
2020-03-10T13:58:19 < karlp> draw.io maybe?
2020-03-10T14:01:07 < tomeaton17> I think draw.io would be easiest I don't need anything really complex
2020-03-10T14:01:09 < tomeaton17> thanks
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2020-03-10T14:16:49 < tomeaton17> got the line sensors working now
2020-03-10T14:16:56 < tomeaton17> time to hook it up to pid loop
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2020-03-10T14:44:01 < aandrew> I like how englishman measures time in zanos
2020-03-10T14:46:01 < aandrew> Cracki> raised arm salutes are coming in fashion again
2020-03-10T14:46:02 < aandrew> LOL
2020-03-10T14:46:24 < aandrew> jpa-> #define exit break
2020-03-10T14:46:26 < aandrew> *barf*
2020-03-10T14:47:36 < doomba> #define printf printf("This message paid for by Michael Bloomberg.\r\n");printf
2020-03-10T14:47:46 < aandrew> Mr jpa- is hackaday famous?
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2020-03-10T14:56:41 < aandrew> jpa-: wouldn't U2 oscillate like crazy under conditions?
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2020-03-10T15:15:15 < tomeaton17> the corona is in my uni halls
2020-03-10T15:18:30 < Cracki> eh, it'll kill the professors only
2020-03-10T15:19:06 < Cracki> huffing chalk is bad for you
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2020-03-10T16:00:38 < jpa-> aandrew: not really, considering its response time is a lot slower than what the output transistors respond at; and it's a pretty stable circuit to begin with, as Q1 and Q2 form a voltage follower
2020-03-10T16:03:06 < Laurenceb> when ur gender identity is stm32
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2020-03-10T16:48:41 < Cracki> buy more panic
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2020-03-10T17:22:00 < Laurenceb> Doxxing is a religious act
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2020-03-10T17:39:45 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGvW_9rLfc8
2020-03-10T17:40:34 < Laurenceb> >BrainDamage gets to be a compulsory basement dweller
2020-03-10T17:41:19 < BrainDamage> I'm pretty sad about it, try living with no social interactions
2020-03-10T17:43:59 < Cracki> >valuing humans over animals
2020-03-10T17:44:33 < Cracki> sure, there's one thing one should only do with another human, but for the rest...
2020-03-10T17:45:20 < Cracki> had a dude at uni/work who wanted me to give him a call via skype/slack. I am deesgusted
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2020-03-10T17:46:36 < Cracki> I heard that the chlorine in swimming pools is enough to kill the virus, and the water dilutes it below potency anyway
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2020-03-10T17:47:02 < Cracki> so maybe visit a bath house
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2020-03-10T17:49:44 < Laurenceb> >should only do
2020-03-10T17:49:48 < Cracki> health officials have to explain the tide pod eaters that they shouldn't dowse themselves in chlorine or alcohol because that would merely disinfect skin, not the rest of the body
2020-03-10T17:49:48 < Laurenceb> bigot
2020-03-10T17:49:52 < Laurenceb> zoophobic
2020-03-10T17:50:05 < Cracki> fuck the duck, bigot
2020-03-10T17:50:17 < Steffanx> Boot up your twitch account. Go talk to the people, BrainDamage  :P
2020-03-10T17:51:41 < BrainDamage> I've seen people talking unhironically that drinking alcoholic beverage would help them
2020-03-10T17:52:02 < Cracki> yey heard from the bank today. 11 days ago it swallowed some bills, 8 days ago I demanded answers, today they call. ATM subcontractor seems to take his sweet time
2020-03-10T17:52:13 < Cracki> fire water has always been medicine
2020-03-10T17:52:23 < Steffanx> In southern dutchland they're going more serious slowly. Just cancelled all major events, and asked people to call of smaller events (they didnt know of)
2020-03-10T17:57:01 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: that UK shop had a confusing wording regarding free shipping so I assumed they would bill just the tracking surcharge. That wasn't the case so I emailed them and they returned me 5 EUR "as a token of apology" and changed the wording to make it explicit that losers like me never get free shipping from them.
2020-03-10T17:58:18 < PaulFertser> Nice folks. Too bad the royal mail sucks royally.
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2020-03-10T17:59:41 < PaulFertser> Today it became official: putin stays as the president for another 12 years :(
2020-03-10T18:01:10 < Laurenceb> based Putin
2020-03-10T18:02:12 < englishman> jpa-: karlp for your reference https://doi.org/10.6028/jres.123.019
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2020-03-10T18:02:30 < Cracki> putin better make some kids to succeed him
2020-03-10T18:02:34 < Laurenceb> keeek I was wondering how much it would cost to have startosolar prototypes made
2020-03-10T18:02:45 < Laurenceb> https://www.promotionpiggy.co.uk/advertising-blimps
2020-03-10T18:02:49 < Laurenceb> then I saw it...
2020-03-10T18:03:57 < PaulFertser> Cracki: putin has two daughters already. But he never officially confirmed that.
2020-03-10T18:04:13 < Laurenceb> too much blimpf, not enough wind tunnel data, prices or spec sheets
2020-03-10T18:04:21 < Cracki> president babushka
2020-03-10T18:04:26 < PaulFertser> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katerina_Tikhonova
2020-03-10T18:04:42 < Laurenceb> maybe they can seek asylum in my bed
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2020-03-10T18:05:13 < PaulFertser> Is there any other country where president is not admitting his own daughters?
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2020-03-10T18:05:49 < Laurenceb> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fb4ef7174-be15-11e6-a53a-ca2ad7b229f9.jpg?crop=3333%2C1875%2C83%2C188&resize=1180
2020-03-10T18:05:56 < Laurenceb> yeah britbongland
2020-03-10T18:06:32 < qyx> PaulFertser: did he won
2020-03-10T18:07:28 < Laurenceb> https://www.blimps.co.uk/Information/Outdoor-Blimps.aspx
2020-03-10T18:07:29 < PaulFertser> qyx: not yet, but there's little uncertainty
2020-03-10T18:07:38 < Laurenceb> >1 decade lifetime
2020-03-10T18:07:38 < Laurenceb> doubt.jpg
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2020-03-10T18:10:06 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: btw, how is brexit going? Any changes in VAT or other aspects of it? Anything at all?
2020-03-10T18:10:23 < Laurenceb> nope, the Poles left but that was it
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2020-03-10T18:11:41 < Steffanx> No more cheap house renovations for Laurenceb  
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2020-03-10T18:15:10 < Cracki> why did specifically the poles leave
2020-03-10T18:15:44 < Laurenceb> dunno
2020-03-10T18:15:58 < Cracki> czechs too? hungarians? ...
2020-03-10T18:16:15 < Laurenceb> we did have loads of poles round here, maybe they were more visible
2020-03-10T18:16:29 < Laurenceb> there were busloads of poles leaving before christmas
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2020-03-10T18:16:46 < Cracki> I think you have loads more of other people around there, and they're certainly more visible than poles
2020-03-10T18:16:55 < Cracki> maybe poles stand out in london
2020-03-10T18:17:17 < Laurenceb> >london
2020-03-10T18:17:29 < Laurenceb> I live in Norf fc
2020-03-10T18:17:29 < PaulFertser> "Johnson and his new wife settled in Islington, North London, an area known as the home of the left-liberal intelligentsia. Under the influence of this milieu Johnson moved in a more liberal direction on issues like climate change, LGBT rights and race relations."
2020-03-10T18:17:34 < Cracki> we all have to live with the shitstains on our countries
2020-03-10T18:17:51 < Laurenceb> my school was liek 25% polish
2020-03-10T18:18:06 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_the_United_Kingdom
2020-03-10T18:18:23 < BrainDamage> lists polish a close second after indians
2020-03-10T18:18:31 < Laurenceb> ^doesnt tell you where they live
2020-03-10T18:18:41 < Cracki> it is true that there is a surprising number of so-called "fascist femboys"
2020-03-10T18:18:43 < Laurenceb> Indians are in London, Leicester and a few other places
2020-03-10T18:18:56 < Cracki> they're rejected by the woke left because they won't take the pink pills
2020-03-10T18:19:04 < Laurenceb> Poles take over smaller cities/towns 
2020-03-10T18:19:22 < BrainDamage> immigrants tend to cluster together anyway
2020-03-10T18:19:28 < BrainDamage> alien country, etc etc
2020-03-10T18:19:38 < Cracki> when did those poles leave poland, possibly during ww2?
2020-03-10T18:19:50 < Laurenceb> my school headmaster was polish lol
2020-03-10T18:19:57 < Laurenceb> but yeah he came during ww2
2020-03-10T18:20:15 < Cracki> I love the argument "but I was born here, I grew up here, I DON'T KNOW anyone in the country where my ancestors came from"
2020-03-10T18:20:18 < BrainDamage> if you see the same page they increased tenfold in the past 15 years
2020-03-10T18:20:24 < Laurenceb> the ww2 poles seem to have all stayed, its the more recent eu factory worker crew who left
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2020-03-10T18:20:28 < Cracki> like, bitch, your ancestors didn't know anyone where you are now either, so gtfo
2020-03-10T18:21:24 < BrainDamage> if you are born in a country you are a citizen of that country, your ancestry is irrelevant
2020-03-10T18:22:01 < Cracki> citizen is the right word, yes
2020-03-10T18:22:06 < BrainDamage> it's called a birthright for a reason
2020-03-10T18:22:35 < Cracki> birthright has no relation to where you were born, but to whom you were born
2020-03-10T18:22:57 < Cracki> the word is used in that sense everywhere except when people want to justify citizenship
2020-03-10T18:23:21 < BrainDamage> pretty sure the term is generic and you're making this shit up
2020-03-10T18:23:26 < Cracki> >_>
2020-03-10T18:23:46 < Cracki> if the term is generic, and doesn't have the meaning I claim it does, then it also doesn' thave the meaning you claim it has
2020-03-10T18:24:00 < Cracki> nevermind
2020-03-10T18:26:13 < Cracki> wikipedia educates me on the terms: jus soli (right of soil) vs jus sanguinis (right of blood)
2020-03-10T18:26:21 < Cracki> romans did the latter
2020-03-10T18:27:03 < Cracki> plenty of states today give you citizenship based on blood/genetics if you show up
2020-03-10T18:27:58 < BrainDamage> yes, some birthrights come from ancestry and others come from location of birth
2020-03-10T18:28:04 < PaulFertser> Did you know the popular Python web framework Flask was literally a joke: https://web.archive.org/web/20180514202042/http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2010/4/3/april-1st-post-mortem/ ?
2020-03-10T18:28:21 < Cracki> python is full of pythonisms
2020-03-10T18:30:02 < Cracki> >it introspects the interpreter frame to figure out the name of the function that called a template render function to automagically guess the name of the template.
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2020-03-10T18:37:25 < Cracki> ruby's popularity, at least its marketing, had a huge helping of introspection. in responsible hands that could be a good thing.
2020-03-10T18:38:21 < kakimir> pci-e has jtag pins
2020-03-10T18:38:31 < kakimir> how and when are those utilized?
2020-03-10T18:38:57 < kakimir> does normal mobo have jtag capacity?
2020-03-10T18:44:56 < englishman> so how's things BrainDamage
2020-03-10T18:48:15 < BrainDamage> same as previous days, boring and depressing
2020-03-10T18:50:16 < englishman> same as previous years*
2020-03-10T18:50:41 < doomba> kakimir: why wouldn't it?
2020-03-10T18:50:51 < PaulFertser> Why being smart is not enough to entertain oneself :(
2020-03-10T18:51:28 < doomba> mobos go through several tests while they're being manufactured - and boundary scans are probably likely
2020-03-10T18:51:28 < kakimir> because entertainment is inherently stupid 
2020-03-10T18:51:33 < doomba> so there's jtag shit exposed somewhere
2020-03-10T18:51:45 < doomba> maybe not populated with headers but it's gotta be there
2020-03-10T18:51:57 < kakimir> but does mobo have jtag connections to pci-e slots?
2020-03-10T18:52:19 < doomba> no idea
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2020-03-10T18:53:06 < doomba> what i do know is we're all going to get coronavirus if we don't stop using cash and refusing to consume silicon valley things.
2020-03-10T18:53:33 < kakimir> pci-e has jtag pins doomba
2020-03-10T18:53:59 < doomba> pins just for jtag and only jtag?
2020-03-10T18:54:08 < doomba> that seems kinda dumb
2020-03-10T18:54:19 < doomba> why would they waste pins for jtag
2020-03-10T18:56:19 < dongs> wa> rossmann is an absolute retard to anyone who knows the bare minimum about electronic building/repair
2020-03-10T18:56:22 < dongs> wa> also highly autistic
2020-03-10T18:56:28 < dongs> y/n/m
2020-03-10T18:56:43 < dongs> zyp cool. dong me an address in email
2020-03-10T18:56:49 < dongs> should ship today or someshit i think
2020-03-10T18:56:59 < doomba> m
2020-03-10T19:02:40 < englishman> what's cash
2020-03-10T19:02:52 < englishman> where was that dong
2020-03-10T19:03:03 < englishman> true as fuck
2020-03-10T19:03:25 < englishman> what is an electronic builder
2020-03-10T19:04:25 < Laurenceb> the horrifying prospect of a randy Alex Salmond...
2020-03-10T19:04:43 < Laurenceb> putting the Scotch into you
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2020-03-10T19:13:45 < karlp> englishman: thanks, filing for later :)
2020-03-10T19:14:26 < PaulFertser> Not sure if this was already mentioned here: https://medium.com/@davetroy/why-we-should-care-commonly-asked-questions-and-answers-about-covid-19-6b166f1876e9 (the article seems reasonable and easy-to-understand even for non "aspi")
2020-03-10T19:16:01 < Laurenceb> I bet Cracki would like a randy Alex Salmond
2020-03-10T19:18:26 < karlp> heh, person who wanted c89 support for their "oh noes, my embedded..." was for greenhills integrity.  green hills especially advertises c++11 and c++14 support _for_ integrity.
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2020-03-10T19:21:20 < karlp> BrainDamage: not all countries do birthrights based on where you born at all. (iceland for instance)
2020-03-10T19:21:43 < englishman> jus soli is some archaic shit
2020-03-10T19:22:05 < karlp> the UK does it I believe?
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2020-03-10T19:33:34 < Ultrasauce> >Your best defense is frequent hand-washing with soap and water, and not touching your face, nose, eyes, and other mucous organs.
2020-03-10T19:33:36 < Ultrasauce> dealbreaker
2020-03-10T19:41:26 < Steffanx> Hm
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2020-03-10T19:44:11 < PaulFertser> Someone's gotta learn masturbating handsfree.
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2020-03-10T19:57:50 < mawk> how's your mucous organs doing Ultrasauce ?
2020-03-10T19:58:06 < Ultrasauce> woefully untouched
2020-03-10T19:58:27 < mawk> lier
2020-03-10T19:58:31 < mawk> you keep touching yourself
2020-03-10T19:58:32 < mawk> I can sense it
2020-03-10T20:00:56 < Mangy_Dog> https://youtu.be/gGuMFdqZXYI  WOOHOOO progress
2020-03-10T20:01:44 < Steffanx> what is that mr Mangy_Dog?
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2020-03-10T20:04:51 < aandrew> looks like a crimper
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2020-03-10T20:39:00 < Laurenceb> >cant touch mucous organs
2020-03-10T20:39:02 < Laurenceb> sheeeetttt
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2020-03-10T21:47:19 < Laurenceb> wtf https://phoenixuas.co.uk/
2020-03-10T21:49:26 < BrainDamage> no propulsion?
2020-03-10T21:49:49 < BrainDamage> sounds kind liimited utility
2020-03-10T21:52:09 < qyx> Thorn: found RN2483 from Microchip
2020-03-10T21:52:18 < qyx> anyone used this one?
2020-03-10T21:53:09 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: it uses variable bouyancy and gravitational potential energy
2020-03-10T21:53:15 < Laurenceb> super unconventional
2020-03-10T21:53:50 < invzim> can you do OTA fw update over lora?
2020-03-10T21:54:09 < BrainDamage> oh, I've seen a prototype using that, but it was a sub
2020-03-10T21:54:24 < Thorn> qyx: I haven't, uart + onboard stack = no thanks for me
2020-03-10T21:54:51 < qyx> oh yeah I forgot
2020-03-10T21:55:09 < qyx> actually I have two different usecases, one of them is a simple LoRaWAN
2020-03-10T21:55:15 < qyx> so this is super convenient
2020-03-10T21:55:56 < qyx> heh repeating words I read few seconds ago
2020-03-10T22:00:26 < Laurenceb> http://www.adballoons.com.cn/product.php?id=192
2020-03-10T22:00:30 < Laurenceb> do want
2020-03-10T22:03:49 < englishman> lol @ Xilinx raising prices 25%
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2020-03-10T22:13:06 < mawk> when announcing coronavirus news on live french tv an old presenter was coughing badly lol
2020-03-10T22:13:15 < mawk> it's a comedy sketch
2020-03-10T22:13:31 < mawk> well it isn't, but could've been
2020-03-10T22:13:43 < englishman> mawk: 
2020-03-10T22:13:56 < englishman>    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7LOcFaEJA8  
2020-03-10T22:19:50 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: fun story about the Poles
2020-03-10T22:20:11 < Laurenceb> my school was a concentration camp for Italians during ww2, staffed by poles
2020-03-10T22:20:33 < Laurenceb> there were still parts of the razor wire fence and bases of the guard towers
2020-03-10T22:20:51 < srk> qyx: we use em, slowly switching to rfm95/sx1276
2020-03-10T22:20:58 < Laurenceb> Italians eternally btfo'd
2020-03-10T22:21:03 < specing> Laurenceb: aren't you in the UK?
2020-03-10T22:21:11 < Laurenceb> yes
2020-03-10T22:21:25 < specing> so, concentration camp for italians staffed by poles in the UK?
2020-03-10T22:21:29 < specing> OK
2020-03-10T22:21:33 < Laurenceb> the Italians were slave labour for railway maintainance
2020-03-10T22:21:45 < Laurenceb>  """detention""" camp
2020-03-10T22:21:55 < specing> Is that why your railways suck?
2020-03-10T22:22:35 < Laurenceb> lol
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2020-03-10T22:25:24 < Laurenceb>  "its a detention camp when we do it"
2020-03-10T22:25:41 < qyx> srk: why?
2020-03-10T22:26:05 < srk> qyx: cause as Thorn pointed out it's a bit boring modem like uart
2020-03-10T22:26:18 < qyx> :D ok
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2020-03-10T23:05:20 < onio> Hi I am trying to use CMSIS RTOS v2 in STM32CubeIDE how do I go about adding it to my project I will like to use features such as osTimerNew() function
2020-03-10T23:10:18 < karlp> did you start your project in cubemx thingy?
2020-03-10T23:10:26 < karlp> did you pick the rtos there? and generate your project from that?
2020-03-10T23:10:32 < karlp> or are you trying to start from a blank slate?
2020-03-10T23:13:50 < onio> karlp, No I started the project STM32CubeIDE which seems to have CubeMX integrated
2020-03-10T23:15:41 < onio> STM32CubeIDE version 1.2
2020-03-10T23:16:21 < c10ud^> I think 1.3 is out, but that does not matter, you can update from within the program
2020-03-10T23:16:57 < c10ud^> also, just select the cmsis rtos v2 from the integrated cubemx
2020-03-10T23:17:08 < c10ud^> and you're good to go
2020-03-10T23:17:31 < c10ud^> probably timers have to be enabled,I don't remember the default configuration
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2020-03-10T23:19:05 < onio> c10ud^, I will have to look around I could not recall having option to integrated cubemx. Let me check now
2020-03-10T23:19:44 < c10ud^> could be named freertos and then you select the wrapper (cmsisv1 or v2)
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2020-03-10T23:25:23 < tomeaton17> based and redpilled
2020-03-10T23:29:28 < onio> c10ud^, I found how to add it. It is not allowing me to select FREERTOS CMSIS_V2
2020-03-10T23:29:38 < upgrdman> pros: favorite hex editor for windows?
2020-03-10T23:31:43 < onio> only CMSIS_V1 is selectable
2020-03-10T23:31:51 < c10ud^> maybe it's missing something, I remember enabling it with no issue
2020-03-10T23:32:02 < c10ud^> you could try updating your cubeide
2020-03-10T23:32:20 < onio> that is what I am trying to do now. Thanks
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2020-03-10T23:34:03 < karlp> so, usb HS, want to have the option of both usb micro b for cable connected upstream, or usb a-male for plugging directly in, if I want to avoid stubs, I really need to have like 0 ohm resistors to switch between them then right?
2020-03-10T23:34:10 < karlp> or like three way solder jumper pads
2020-03-10T23:34:20 < karlp> (i mean, or just two pcbs...)
2020-03-10T23:35:40 < tomeaton17> https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/fcepg7/updoot_for_ban/
2020-03-10T23:35:48 < Thorn> karlp: type c
2020-03-10T23:38:01 < Thorn> musics https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxzSZG7g8c8zP1XK8_brInPfZxWVxrgYr
2020-03-10T23:38:12 < Spirit532> karlp, the connectors can be in parallell
2020-03-10T23:39:27 < tomeaton17> Steffanx:
2020-03-10T23:40:36 < Steffanx> tomeaton17: 
2020-03-10T23:41:31 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: so have you got corona yet?
2020-03-10T23:44:20 < karlp> Spirit532: what do you mean? that will leave stubs for the other unconnected port.
2020-03-10T23:44:30 < Spirit532> stubs?
2020-03-10T23:44:35 < karlp> Thorn: that doesn't really fix the "socket on one version, plug on the other" problem..
2020-03-10T23:45:07 < karlp> Spirit532: if you just wire them both up, you'll have dangling stubs on the usb lines to the other port.
2020-03-10T23:45:17 < Spirit532> that doesn't really matter
2020-03-10T23:45:17 < karlp> I don't imagine that's a good idea forr usb-hs, even if it works just fine on usb-fs.
2020-03-10T23:45:22 < Spirit532> nah, it's fine
2020-03-10T23:45:32  * karlp peers suspicously.
2020-03-10T23:45:32 < qyx> karlp: toradex ixora has such thing, micro-b is on the bottom side, usb-a is on the top side
2020-03-10T23:45:49 < qyx> and connected in parallel
2020-03-10T23:45:58 < karlp> top/bottom might work. that would also fix the cross over required for b vs a.
2020-03-10T23:46:11 < karlp> I had them side by side, and it was looking really gross.
2020-03-10T23:46:25 < qyx> or usb mux :X
2020-03-10T23:47:28 < karlp> I can get behind this both sides version :)
2020-03-10T23:48:59 < karlp> hrm, holes are all getting in the way....
2020-03-10T23:49:26 < qyx> otherwise I would route micro-b first in the middle, usb-a on the end
2020-03-10T23:49:38 < qyx> the 5mm stub might not be that bad
2020-03-10T23:50:12 < qyx> with the traces going through the pins
2020-03-10T23:50:39 < karlp> in the middle?
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2020-03-10T23:50:55 < Steffanx> Yeah i hope I'm done with it, tomeaton17 tomeaton17 
2020-03-10T23:51:00 < Steffanx> tomeaton17:  
2020-03-10T23:51:03 < Steffanx> Lol
2020-03-10T23:51:33 < qyx> usb going to the usb-a connector and you put the micro-b in the middle of the traces
2020-03-10T23:51:44 < qyx> I mean uh
2020-03-10T23:53:34 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: okay I heard the first time
2020-03-10T23:53:41 < qyx> karlp: https://i.imgur.com/v4ehWkv.png
2020-03-10T23:54:03 < tomeaton17> I just got banned from a discord for shitposting because im quite drunk
2020-03-10T23:54:04 < qyx> or rotate on the usb-a
2020-03-10T23:54:07 < tomeaton17> good stuff
2020-03-10T23:54:15 < karlp> https://imgur.com/a/EJOYOFS
2020-03-10T23:54:50 < qyx> heh
2020-03-10T23:55:39 < karlp> not using a non-holy usb micro, not making case cutouts that good to hold things in place
2020-03-10T23:56:13 < Laurenceb> muh MGTOW
2020-03-10T23:56:16 < Laurenceb> >discord
2020-03-10T23:57:21 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb: muh unemployed
2020-03-10T23:57:44 < Laurenceb> I suspect ur on MGTOW unironically
2020-03-10T23:58:01 < Laurenceb> I went to a J4MB meetup in Derby recently
2020-03-10T23:58:04 < tomeaton17> no I am not
2020-03-10T23:58:12 < Laurenceb> they got me a drink it was all cool
2020-03-10T23:58:12 < tomeaton17> I have a girlfriend 
2020-03-10T23:58:22 < karlp> qyx: added another image to https://imgur.com/a/EJOYOFS maybe?
2020-03-10T23:58:24 < Laurenceb> and no rohypnol
2020-03-10T23:58:33 < Laurenceb> >implying MGTOWE is a bad thing
2020-03-10T23:58:33 < tomeaton17> I am really handsome no unironically Laurenceb 
2020-03-10T23:58:38 < Laurenceb> no homo
2020-03-10T23:58:47 < Laurenceb> I hung out with antifembot
2020-03-10T23:58:51 < tomeaton17> okay dude
2020-03-10T23:58:53 < Laurenceb> and she was smoking weed
2020-03-10T23:59:00 < Laurenceb> it was all good
2020-03-10T23:59:01 < tomeaton17> just visit my website and you can see that I am the real deal
2020-03-10T23:59:06 < qyx> karlp: and what about placing them on the same side
2020-03-10T23:59:09 < qyx> when they are side-by-side
2020-03-10T23:59:37 < qyx> I meant the other way around, micro-b has smaller stub than usb-a
2020-03-10T23:59:56 < Laurenceb> https://gab.com/Anti_Fembot
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2020-03-11T00:00:00 < qyx> but yeah, your micro-b footprint is a bit dumb
2020-03-11T00:00:10 < karlp> it's thje channel micro-b....
2020-03-11T00:00:12 < qyx> there is no place to route from the back
2020-03-11T00:00:38 < Laurenceb> she is so fucking weird irl
2020-03-11T00:00:45 < Laurenceb> like even moar weird than online
2020-03-11T00:00:45 < karlp> I did A first as it was already on the bottom, could swap them all I guess.
2020-03-11T00:01:08 < karlp> on the same side I have cross over issues, as one of them is a plug and the other is a socket.
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2020-03-11T00:01:52 < tomeaton17> >females are weird irl
2020-03-11T00:02:01 < Laurenceb> she was about 3 feet tall and wearing a leather miniskirt
2020-03-11T00:02:07 < Laurenceb> trying to sell me weed
2020-03-11T00:02:25 < jadew> shit is getting real in here
2020-03-11T00:02:29 < jadew> 12 more cases today
2020-03-11T00:02:37 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb: okay dude
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2020-03-11T00:03:08 < jadew> several of them in this city
2020-03-11T00:03:12 < karlp> qyx: are you using the USB_Micro-B_Molex-105017-0001 footprint?
2020-03-11T00:03:16 < qyx> yes
2020-03-11T00:03:16 < Laurenceb> next I should try going to a fathers for justice meetup
2020-03-11T00:03:25 < Laurenceb> for even weirder characters
2020-03-11T00:03:45 < Thorn> https://imgur.com/gallery/XQ0hfIN https://imgur.com/gallery/1AasyDm #corona32
2020-03-11T00:04:01 < karlp> is that actualyl footpritn compatible with the amphenol one I'v ebeen using?
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2020-03-11T00:04:36 < qyx> uhm idk, didn't try
2020-03-11T00:04:43 < qyx> I am buying molexes from tme
2020-03-11T00:04:46 < qyx> *molices
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2020-03-11T00:05:31 < karlp> stupid measure shit in kicad is not snapping in the footprint editor
2020-03-11T00:05:35 < karlp> snaps in the pcb editor
2020-03-11T00:05:49 < qyx> heh
2020-03-11T00:05:58 < qyx> place both on the pcb
2020-03-11T00:06:02 < qyx> if they overlap
2020-03-11T00:06:28 < karlp> good idea!
2020-03-11T00:06:41 < karlp> I was about to re-derive it from the pdfs
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2020-03-11T00:07:10 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb: are you actually unemployed?
2020-03-11T00:07:29 < Laurenceb> yes
2020-03-11T00:07:33 < Laurenceb> N337
2020-03-11T00:07:57 < karlp> nah, they're outer pegs are further apart
2020-03-11T00:08:00 < tomeaton17> neet
2020-03-11T00:08:01 < Laurenceb> I pass the time shitposting and meeting weird groups
2020-03-11T00:08:07 < tomeaton17> fair enough
2020-03-11T00:08:11 < tomeaton17> I do like shitposting 
2020-03-11T00:08:19 < tomeaton17> but I am not unemployed
2020-03-11T00:08:24 < tomeaton17> well I guess I am but not really
2020-03-11T00:08:44 < karlp> reminds me though, I need to order some tme shit, 
2020-03-11T00:08:57 < karlp> sent in my czechapost customs authorization today...
2020-03-11T00:09:11 < qyx> meh customs
2020-03-11T00:10:02 < karlp> first time, everything else just arrived at tiptrans no problem, today got an email asking for customs declarations.  thank you google translate :)
2020-03-11T00:10:19 < qyx> are you talking czech to you?
2020-03-11T00:10:33 < qyx> *they
2020-03-11T00:10:41 < karlp> ok, this stupid amphenol footprint is kicad gospel copying the amphenol document, and the amph document going, "here's a footprint that matches the old _and_ the new usb-if recommneded footprints"
2020-03-11T00:10:45 < Laurenceb> MGTOW meetups are a great way to meet grrrls
2020-03-11T00:10:52 < karlp> rather than "here's a fotprint that matches this particular hardware"
2020-03-11T00:10:53 < Laurenceb> proving incels wrong yet again
2020-03-11T00:11:02 < karlp> so all those extra lands are for the surface mount only versions
2020-03-11T00:11:11 < karlp> yeah, getting emailed iin czech.
2020-03-11T00:11:18 < qyx> interesting
2020-03-11T00:11:28 < qyx> because they are polish
2020-03-11T00:11:34 < qyx> afaik
2020-03-11T00:12:04 < qyx> they usually reply in the language I use, either SK or EN
2020-03-11T00:12:33 < antto> who them?
2020-03-11T00:12:41 < qyx> tme
2020-03-11T00:12:43 < antto> tme?
2020-03-11T00:12:47 < karlp> I'm talking about czecha post
2020-03-11T00:12:51 < qyx> oh
2020-03-11T00:13:05 < karlp> but I need to order from tme, and get stuff sent to .cz
2020-03-11T00:13:10 < onio> is there a way to check if STM32L071C8Tx support CMSIS_V2. I can only seem to get CMSIS_V1 into project. I have just update to STM32CubeIDE version 1.3
2020-03-11T00:15:00 < Laurenceb> >announce incel event
2020-03-11T00:15:08 < Laurenceb> >incels turn up and loads of grrrls
2020-03-11T00:15:15 < Laurenceb> >incel problem solved
2020-03-11T00:15:18 < Laurenceb> >world peace
2020-03-11T00:16:06 < qyx> lorence pls
2020-03-11T00:17:04 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb: you are the master of incels
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2020-03-11T00:18:12 < Laurenceb> sheet
2020-03-11T00:18:31 < Laurenceb> if I organise this I will become world president
2020-03-11T00:18:56 < antto> how would a chinese guy pronounce Laurence?
2020-03-11T00:19:38 < Laurenceb> Mr President
2020-03-11T00:19:55 < antto> <idontbelieveyou.jpg>
2020-03-11T00:20:19 < qyx> so RTS is output
2020-03-11T00:20:57 < qyx> so I need to crossover RXD/TXD, but not RTS/CTS
2020-03-11T00:21:07 < qyx> if connecting a modem to STM32
2020-03-11T00:21:13 < karlp> rts goes to cts an dvice versa iirc.
2020-03-11T00:21:47 < qyx> RTS is marked as input on the modem
2020-03-11T00:21:57 < qyx> and as output on the STM
2020-03-11T00:22:13 < karlp> this might be dcd/dce terminolgy mixing  it up?
2020-03-11T00:22:19 < karlp> welcome to the bad old says of serial...
2020-03-11T00:22:22 < qyx> probably
2020-03-11T00:22:43 < qyx> https://i.imgur.com/HuP0Qhx.png
2020-03-11T00:22:50 < antto> why does ST label UART stuff confoozingly
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2020-03-11T00:26:49 < srk> qyx: you can either do RTS/CTS or just DMA uart for rn
2020-03-11T00:27:06 < srk> without DMA you overrun some stuff
2020-03-11T00:27:17 < srk> (another reason for spi :))
2020-03-11T00:27:51 < qyx> DMA won't help me if I run out of buffer
2020-03-11T00:28:05 < qyx> tahts what hw flow control for
2020-03-11T00:28:09 < qyx> is
2020-03-11T00:28:10 < qyx> even
2020-03-11T00:28:49 < srk> it's some weird behavior of L4s and co
2020-03-11T00:29:19 < srk> you can get ovr even on 56,7k
2020-03-11T00:30:01 < srk> guess it depends on core/peripheral clock heavily
2020-03-11T00:30:22 < upgrdman> anyone here use gradle? like it?
2020-03-11T00:30:38 < karlp> dongs claims on "new" amphenol footprints are confusing, I'm not interestedin footpritning tongith
2020-03-11T00:30:46 < karlp> I'm going to leave this bit and go do the rest of it.
2020-03-11T00:30:53 < karlp> upgrdman: noone else is java-ing :)
2020-03-11T00:31:03 < tcth> who´s javaing?
2020-03-11T00:31:05 < upgrdman> heh
2020-03-11T00:31:05 < tcth> and what?
2020-03-11T00:31:07 < upgrdman> me
2020-03-11T00:31:12 < upgrdman> telemetryviewer
2020-03-11T00:31:14 < tomeaton17> yikes java
2020-03-11T00:31:16 < tcth> aaah, that thing
2020-03-11T00:31:24 < tcth> you´re really going strong on that. I remember that project from years ago
2020-03-11T00:31:26 < karlp> I was _starting_ to look at gradle when I was last using java..
2020-03-11T00:31:36 < karlp> and that was a while ago....
2020-03-11T00:32:21 < upgrdman> tcth, haha ya. its one of the project where "i should spend a month to make a useful tool" and a month later "this is really useful, i should spend another month adding this feature" and then the loop never ends.
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2020-03-11T00:32:41 < tcth> upgrdman, ah, I´ve been there. Basically 2 of my companies are just that.
2020-03-11T00:33:33 < upgrdman> i guess on the plus side, it has upped my game tremendously. i now have a respectable amount of experience with opengl, networking, threading, etc.
2020-03-11T00:33:35 < antto> i am winamping
2020-03-11T00:33:49 < qyx> are you from the past
2020-03-11T00:33:51 < tcth> upgrdman, yep, that´s always valuable
2020-03-11T00:33:56 < tcth> winamp... is it 2005 again?
2020-03-11T00:33:57 < antto> yes
2020-03-11T00:34:13 < upgrdman> and XMMS in gnome1.x era... oh god the memories
2020-03-11T00:34:16 < BrainDamage> it seriously whips the llama's ass
2020-03-11T00:35:07 < antto> my version is from 2003
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2020-03-11T00:36:04 < Laurenceb> https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/15/winamp-returns-in-2019-to-whip-the-llamas-ass-harder-than-ever/
2020-03-11T00:36:06 < Laurenceb> wtf
2020-03-11T00:36:28 < Steffanx> Ftw
2020-03-11T00:36:47 < upgrdman> can winamp play videos?
2020-03-11T00:36:58 < Laurenceb> zoophilia much
2020-03-11T00:37:02 < upgrdman> im raging hard trying to find a video player on windows that doesnt suck ass
2020-03-11T00:37:04 < antto> mine can, but i wouldn't use it for that
2020-03-11T00:37:18 < karlp> upgrdman: what are you building with now? maven or ant or ?
2020-03-11T00:37:20 < upgrdman> vlc glitches if gpu decoding is enabled and i scrub time
2020-03-11T00:37:32 < antto> vlc is h0rr0r
2020-03-11T00:37:38 < upgrdman> smplayer is nice, but often doesnt use the gpu when it could
2020-03-11T00:37:42 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: maye mpv?
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2020-03-11T00:38:01 < upgrdman> karlp, just being lazy. using eclipse. right-click > export > runnable jar.
2020-03-11T00:38:12 < upgrdman> figure its time to be a big boy and do it properly
2020-03-11T00:38:14 < Steffanx> Mpv was mentioned the last time upgrdman  asked about a video player.
2020-03-11T00:38:26 < Steffanx> Like yesterday or 2 days ago
2020-03-11T00:38:33 < upgrdman> ya i bookmarked it. guess i should download it now
2020-03-11T00:38:38 < qyx> I should stop reading you
2020-03-11T00:38:42 < jly> you coffee fiend
2020-03-11T00:38:49 < Steffanx> T
2020-03-11T00:39:08 < jly> grnT
2020-03-11T00:39:21 < Steffanx> Stop reading who/what mr qyx?
2020-03-11T00:39:56 < upgrdman> oh ya, that's why i didnt download MPV. they doesnt have "normal" windows builds, just nightlys :/
2020-03-11T00:40:04 < qyx> you all, you are distracting me from work
2020-03-11T00:40:17 < Steffanx> Yeah, fuck us
2020-03-11T00:40:25 < upgrdman> also, its in a .7z file.... wtf. i have 7zip, but wtf use .7z
2020-03-11T00:40:42 < qyx> I received a rar yesterday, I said the same
2020-03-11T00:40:50 < BrainDamage> you can always download the nightly with the same date as the release
2020-03-11T00:40:52 < qyx> I hope nobody uses arj
2020-03-11T00:41:07 < Steffanx> Works fine for me so far, upgrdman  
2020-03-11T00:41:08 < BrainDamage> uharc, back in the early 00 times and pirate torrents
2020-03-11T00:41:21 < upgrdman> Steffanx, downloading now
2020-03-11T00:41:53 < upgrdman> i wish google fi's throttling wasn't so fucking slow. 256kbps in 2020... god damn
2020-03-11T00:41:55 < BrainDamage> https://sourceforge.net/projects/mpv-player-windows/files/stable/
2020-03-11T00:42:04 < BrainDamage> are you sure it doesn't have stables
2020-03-11T00:42:10 < Steffanx> 7zip is the first thing I download after installing windows
2020-03-11T00:42:26 < srk> llame
2020-03-11T00:42:36 < srk> install chocolatey first xD
2020-03-11T00:42:49 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, huh. the links on mpv.io is to the nightlys :/ ok
2020-03-11T00:42:59 < srk> -//- ^^
2020-03-11T00:43:08 < antto> https://i.imgur.com/KWo8S11.png
2020-03-11T00:43:33 < Steffanx> You listen to your own music antto?
2020-03-11T00:43:50 < antto> it's a dirty job, but someone has to do it
2020-03-11T00:44:02 < BrainDamage> that looks like weechat, so I am assuming it's a xmms skin?
2020-03-11T00:44:11 < antto> bruh
2020-03-11T00:44:22 < antto> this is winamp
2020-03-11T00:44:40 < BrainDamage> sorry, I gave you a chance to save your dignity
2020-03-11T00:44:43 < srk> does it work with wine?
2020-03-11T00:45:20 < antto> the skin is my own btw ;P~
2020-03-11T00:45:40 < Steffanx> Such paint skills 
2020-03-11T00:45:46 < antto> yeah
2020-03-11T00:46:02 < jly> bloody hell mate
2020-03-11T00:46:23 < jly> did you get all those mp3s off NAPSTER?
2020-03-11T00:46:33 < upgrdman> speaking of skins. wtf, why are all the VLC skins low-dpi. everything is small as shit on a 4k monitor. is dpi-aware too difficult in 2020?
2020-03-11T00:46:37 < BrainDamage> using a 56k modem
2020-03-11T00:46:43 < jly>  \o/
2020-03-11T00:46:48 < qyx> wtf skins?
2020-03-11T00:46:57 < qyx> anybody uses skins?
2020-03-11T00:47:00 < jly> foreskins?
2020-03-11T00:47:16 < antto> speaking of DPI, wtf is with those high-dpi monitors
2020-03-11T00:47:36 < srk> obviously for viewing high-dpi foreskins
2020-03-11T00:47:45 < jly> i'm running 640x480 mate
2020-03-11T00:48:06 < srk> I've upgraded to hd on my laptop
2020-03-11T00:48:52 < jly> took me forever
2020-03-11T00:48:57 < jly> 1080p now
2020-03-11T00:49:04 < srk> same
2020-03-11T00:49:17 < jly> last 2 machines 1366x768
2020-03-11T00:49:19 < srk> had to patch kernel so it works after like 4 years
2020-03-11T00:49:46 < Steffanx> 4k is nice antto  
2020-03-11T00:50:11 < antto> no use for me
2020-03-11T00:50:26 < Steffanx> You dont know that
2020-03-11T00:50:30 < srk> imx6q .. decent for work, can't even mpv or firefox so it's completely distraction free
2020-03-11T00:50:33 < srk> except for irc
2020-03-11T00:50:34 < BrainDamage> it's not the resolution per se, it's the dpi, if you take a 4k monitor but then it's 30in, then it's not sharper than 1080p 15in
2020-03-11T00:50:35 < Steffanx> Ever tried it?
2020-03-11T00:50:54 < Steffanx> 27" here. 
2020-03-11T00:51:07 < antto> i don't have room for 30 inch shizzle
2020-03-11T00:51:48 < Steffanx> Wut? 
2020-03-11T00:52:04 < srk> imagine a 30" CRT
2020-03-11T00:52:08 < srk> on your TABLE
2020-03-11T00:52:13 < Steffanx> Hah
2020-03-11T00:52:17 < jly> john carmack did
2020-03-11T00:52:19 < Steffanx> Jly would love that
2020-03-11T00:52:23 < BrainDamage> those used to be a thing
2020-03-11T00:52:35 < jly> the king of autism himself
2020-03-11T00:52:47 < antto> i got a desk, 17inch monitor, 24inch monitor, two keyboards/mau5es, and i also solder on this desk, and catzilla sits on it
2020-03-11T00:52:58 < BrainDamage> when I worked in a pc shop the worst customers were the graphic studios
2020-03-11T00:53:06 < BrainDamage> 24 in crt
2020-03-11T00:53:24 < BrainDamage> and the CRT had to be extra long in order to have a flat display
2020-03-11T00:53:24 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: do you have sky sportys
2020-03-11T00:53:34 < Steffanx> Idk. Why?
2020-03-11T00:53:35 < jly> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/HsnM3hXc/autismo.png
2020-03-11T00:53:39 < BrainDamage> they were 15kg bricks to bring around
2020-03-11T00:53:57 < tomeaton17> Just wondering
2020-03-11T00:54:03 < srk> jly: :D
2020-03-11T00:55:26 < Steffanx> Isnt it paid stuff tomeaton17 ?
2020-03-11T00:55:29 < srk> like.. you have to sit in the corner
2020-03-11T00:56:09 < Steffanx> Jly likes sitting in the corner. He's a naughty boy. So he was often in the naughty corner
2020-03-11T00:57:40 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: yeah I pay £100 a month for it
2020-03-11T00:57:49 < Steffanx> What?
2020-03-11T00:58:38 < Steffanx> 100 pounds/month for f*cking TV?
2020-03-11T00:59:17 < kakigate> what 74 series chips to have always stocked?
2020-03-11T00:59:42 < Steffanx> None. I just buy when I need it. Which I hardly ever do.
2020-03-11T01:00:12 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: no, I also get 50 Mbyte internet as well
2020-03-11T01:00:28 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: and it is split between 5 of us so only 20 pounds
2020-03-11T01:00:49 < Steffanx> Hm, is the internet that expensive in ukland?
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2020-03-11T01:01:32 < Steffanx> And slow. For that amount of money.
2020-03-11T01:02:03 < qyx> what, are you doing IPTV over FWA?
2020-03-11T01:02:22 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: I always get confused but it is about 500 megabits per second down I think thats pretty good
2020-03-11T01:02:29 < tomeaton17> the most expensive part is the TV 
2020-03-11T01:02:38 < Steffanx> Ah, 500, not 50. Lol
2020-03-11T01:02:49 < Steffanx> Oh and you said byte
2020-03-11T01:02:50 < tomeaton17> but we all really like football so are happy to pay because the rent is only £300 a month
2020-03-11T01:02:53 < Steffanx> I'm sleept
2020-03-11T01:02:56 < Steffanx> Sleepy
2020-03-11T01:02:57 < tomeaton17> Sorry I get confused
2020-03-11T01:03:06 < Steffanx> No you confused me. Hah
2020-03-11T01:03:12 < qyx> 300gbp/mo for a football?
2020-03-11T01:03:14 < Steffanx> Let's be confused together
2020-03-11T01:03:33 < tomeaton17> no £300 for the property
2020-03-11T01:03:53 < tomeaton17> £100 for 500mbit internet and all tv channels inc sport
2020-03-11T01:04:09 < Laurenceb> norf fc
2020-03-11T01:04:26 < Steffanx> The pounds 
2020-03-11T01:04:39 < qyx> when will you do euro?
2020-03-11T01:04:46 < tomeaton17> i mean I think £350 a month for rent including bills is really good
2020-03-11T01:04:48 < Steffanx> You should adopt Laurenceb , tomeaton17 . He needs a roof to sleep under
2020-03-11T01:04:59 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/6fa3sz/deano_visits_int/
2020-03-11T01:05:01 < tomeaton17> qyx: never. rule britannia
2020-03-11T01:05:14 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb: yeah I think you would like it in my house, you would fit in with the incels
2020-03-11T01:06:11 < Laurenceb> >tie loicense
2020-03-11T01:06:41 < BrainDamage> careful, when incels reach critical mass they become infectious
2020-03-11T01:06:50 < Steffanx> Lol
2020-03-11T01:07:17 < BrainDamage> see 4chan for example
2020-03-11T01:07:20 < Steffanx> So you still have your balloon tie, Laurenceb ? 
2020-03-11T01:07:23 < Laurenceb> yes
2020-03-11T01:08:06 < Laurenceb> I know an irl deano...
2020-03-11T01:08:22 < Steffanx> Wtf is a deano.
2020-03-11T01:08:30 < Steffanx> Nevermind. Dont want to know
2020-03-11T01:08:49 < Laurenceb> https://gavinjames.co.uk/now/
2020-03-11T01:08:54 < Laurenceb> pls dont bully...
2020-03-11T01:10:00 < Laurenceb> https://www.google.com/search?q=deano+4chan&safe=strict&client=ubuntu&hs=RzB&channel=cs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjbm5-lg5HoAhUVrHEKHdTCAZQQ_AUoAXoECAsQAw&biw=1366&bih=658#imgrc=i-WO4J4Euw4hDM
2020-03-11T01:11:11 < Steffanx> Laurenceb:  uses safe search?
2020-03-11T01:11:19 < Laurenceb> of course
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2020-03-11T01:12:16 < Laurenceb> #nofap
2020-03-11T01:12:45 < Laurenceb> oh wow lmao
2020-03-11T01:12:52 < Laurenceb> britcucks outdo iran
2020-03-11T01:13:05 < Laurenceb> health secretary infected with coronavirus
2020-03-11T01:13:09 < Laurenceb> my orbital sides
2020-03-11T01:13:38 < specing> orbital XD
2020-03-11T01:13:40 < Laurenceb> tfw Iran is lolling at our fail level now
2020-03-11T01:13:44 < specing> why orbital?:D
2020-03-11T01:13:58 < Laurenceb> its from a Ben Garrison cartoon
2020-03-11T01:14:24 < Laurenceb> the trolls have orbital sides or something
2020-03-11T01:14:35 < Laurenceb> from back when he was antifa
2020-03-11T01:15:47 < antto> pics or it didn't happen
2020-03-11T01:16:06 < jly> how do you fix orbital sides mate
2020-03-11T01:16:35 < antto> if they are conjugate pairs they don't need fixing
2020-03-11T01:16:47 < Laurenceb> https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/965123-ben-garrison
2020-03-11T01:16:48 < jly> ty
2020-03-11T01:16:49 < Laurenceb> found it
2020-03-11T01:17:19 < jly> THE iNTERNET
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2020-03-11T01:18:22 < antto> i see a vomitting toilet
2020-03-11T01:18:36 < Laurenceb> >ben garrison >making sense ever
2020-03-11T01:19:37 < tomeaton17> sounds pretty incel to me
2020-03-11T01:20:00 < tomeaton17> I really love late night crime cable tv
2020-03-11T01:20:14 < tomeaton17> thats why I pay £100 a month Steffanx 
2020-03-11T01:20:51 < Steffanx> Aha
2020-03-11T01:21:20 < jly> if I download it all for you
2020-03-11T01:21:28 < jly> can you give me some money mate
2020-03-11T01:23:38 < tomeaton17> no
2020-03-11T01:23:53 < tomeaton17> jly: you cant provide live sports
2020-03-11T01:24:38 < jly> i'll record myself and a foosball table
2020-03-11T01:24:45 < jly> same thing yea?
2020-03-11T01:25:21 < tomeaton17> okay that sounds great
2020-03-11T01:25:50 < tomeaton17> well my football tickets will probably be cancelled because of covid-19
2020-03-11T01:25:52 < BrainDamage> true aussie live play sounds lovely
2020-03-11T01:26:03 < Steffanx> I warn you. You dont want to see jly in his pink dress
2020-03-11T01:26:05 < BrainDamage> especially if they include plenty of alcohol and profanities
2020-03-11T01:27:53 < jly> hmm I like the alcohol part
2020-03-11T01:28:34 < tomeaton17> christ
2020-03-11T01:28:46 < tomeaton17> sounds quite ugly
2020-03-11T01:29:15 < jly> I never went to a game
2020-03-11T01:29:24 < jly> it was more fun trolling fans
2020-03-11T01:29:56 < tomeaton17> I usually sit next to away fans
2020-03-11T01:30:09 < tomeaton17> its good if you win but if you lose its pretty horrible
2020-03-11T01:32:05 < Steffanx> Soccer fans are the worst 
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2020-03-11T01:35:22 < karlp> qyx: much better, last image added in https://imgur.com/a/EJOYOFS now :)
2020-03-11T01:36:32 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: why
2020-03-11T01:36:40 < qyx> karlp: looks good
2020-03-11T01:37:10 < qyx> I'll have a tight fit with connectors too https://imgur.com/a/EJOYOFS
2020-03-11T01:37:13 < karlp> I've switched back to a nice through hole usb-a connector now too. all much better
2020-03-11T01:37:14 < qyx> where is kaki, our SMA master
2020-03-11T01:37:21 < karlp> that's not the right link?
2020-03-11T01:37:25 < karlp> that's my alæbum again?
2020-03-11T01:37:35 < qyx> fuk
2020-03-11T01:37:41 < qyx> https://i.imgur.com/TL9sRv2.png
2020-03-11T01:37:42 < qyx> this one
2020-03-11T01:39:16 < antto> mr kaki is the gate keep0r
2020-03-11T01:39:40 < karlp> added a full overview of the autism hub to the bottom ofthat album now too.
2020-03-11T01:39:48 < BrainDamage> why mix of side and lateral mounts?
2020-03-11T01:40:14 < kakigate> you summoned me
2020-03-11T01:41:02 < qyx> BrainDamage: to mount the front panel
2020-03-11T01:41:20 < qyx> also to avoid all connectors in line
2020-03-11T01:41:47 < qyx> ie. practical and mechanical reasons
2020-03-11T01:48:26 < qyx> karlp: is it stackable?
2020-03-11T01:51:45 < Laurenceb> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51827356
2020-03-11T01:51:53 < Laurenceb>  *iranians lolling*
2020-03-11T01:56:50 < jly> can you test me
2020-03-11T01:59:09 < karlp> qyx:? hrm? it's intended to be horizontally plugged together, yes.
2020-03-11T01:59:42 < karlp> man, 4 layer routing is like, "doo de doo, drop a via here,drop a via there, dancing through the daisies"
2020-03-11T01:59:53 < karlp> need ground? dro a via, need 3v3? drop a via!
2020-03-11T02:03:17 < qyx> not stackable, yeah, daisy chained horizontally
2020-03-11T02:03:30 < qyx> half dumb now
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2020-03-11T02:04:06 < karlp> power multi dropped along the back, double terminals for all
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2020-03-11T02:06:32 < ds2> then you find hte annular rings are too big
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2020-03-11T02:20:24 < karlp> nah, I'm routing .25mm tracks, there's heaps of space for the most part 
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2020-03-11T03:11:07 < jadew> new data about how it spreads
2020-03-11T03:11:46 < jadew> based on cases that had cctv footage
2020-03-11T03:12:20 < jadew> patient got infected from 4.5 meters away, on a bus
2020-03-11T03:13:00 < jadew> in another case, someone got infected by getting on a bus 30 minutes after an infected person left the bus
2020-03-11T03:13:51 < jadew> lasts from two to 3 days on most surfaces at 37 °C (longer when cold)
2020-03-11T03:15:20 < jadew> 5 days in sewage
2020-03-11T03:18:35 < englishman> sounds like busses and sewage should be avoided
2020-03-11T03:19:06 < jadew> yep, also take vitamin D
2020-03-11T03:19:30 < jadew> apparently it reduces the risk of contacting all sorts of respiratory diseases
2020-03-11T03:19:48 < jadew> *contracting
2020-03-11T03:20:04 < englishman> good thing milk is bad for you in 2020 because of the vegan agenda
2020-03-11T03:20:26 < jadew> why is milk bad for you?
2020-03-11T03:20:38 < englishman> are you a baby cow?
2020-03-11T03:20:42 < jadew> yes
2020-03-11T03:21:11 < jadew> I identify as one
2020-03-11T03:22:03 < jadew> Korean numbers indicate that the death rate will settle somewhat higher than I hoped...
2020-03-11T03:22:08 < jadew> maybe around 1%
2020-03-11T03:22:54 < jadew> so we're looking at 1% to 3.4%, conservatively speaking
2020-03-11T03:24:41 < jadew> with an estimate of 40 to 70% of people getting in this year, we're talking between 32 million and 190 million dead this year
2020-03-11T03:24:53 < jadew> *it
2020-03-11T03:28:45 < mawk> I made a DNS/mDNS parser
2020-03-11T03:28:50 < mawk> 10% of it
2020-03-11T03:29:00 < jadew> what's mDNS?
2020-03-11T03:29:06 < mawk> multicast DNS
2020-03-11T03:29:11 < mawk> it's the best invention since linux
2020-03-11T03:29:27 < mawk> as long as you have two computers on the same LAN you can resolve their respective hostnames from one another without any infrastructure
2020-03-11T03:29:31 < mawk> they just need to be on the same LAN
2020-03-11T03:29:48 < jadew> got it
2020-03-11T03:32:11 < mawk> https://gitlab.serveur.io/nicolas/mdns-collector/-/blob/master/listener/__main__.py
2020-03-11T03:32:43 < mawk> it's a miracle it doesn't crash
2020-03-11T03:32:52 < mawk> with all the special cases like header compression
2020-03-11T03:33:06 < mawk> I'm sure there are 4830943 bugs awaiting in DNS resolution software out there
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2020-03-11T03:53:08 < zyp> dongs, emailed
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2020-03-11T04:07:47 < aandrew> lol
2020-03-11T04:08:00 < aandrew> I got a cheap blood oximiter from amazon
2020-03-11T04:08:15 < aandrew> clip it on, heart rate and SpO2 is displayed, 98%, great
2020-03-11T04:08:33 < aandrew> hold my breath, it drops to 97, 96, then back up to 98 and 99%. wtf man am I breathing through my asshole or something?
2020-03-11T04:09:18 < zyp> sounds about right
2020-03-11T04:10:11 < jadew> aandrew, that's an interesting test
2020-03-11T04:10:29 < jadew> I managed to get my oxygen level down quite a bit by holding my breath
2020-03-11T04:10:54 < jadew> I don't remember seeing a rise in level tho
2020-03-11T04:11:01 < jadew> maybe your finger wasn't fully inserted?
2020-03-11T04:11:18 < jadew> did you guys buy toilet paper?
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2020-03-11T04:13:40 < zyp> tokyo is sold out
2020-03-11T04:14:17 < jadew> there's still stuff on the shelves in here, but panic didn't really settle in
2020-03-11T04:14:20 < jadew> it's starting tho
2020-03-11T04:14:24 < jadew> we got 12 new cases today
2020-03-11T04:14:50 < jadew> many related to a guy who was to Israel and declared that he didn't leave the country
2020-03-11T04:14:59 < jadew> if he makes it, he's going to jail
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2020-03-11T04:30:40 < doomba> https://simulated.earth/kumbaya.mp3
2020-03-11T04:30:42 < doomba> enjoy
2020-03-11T04:36:33 < aandrew> jadew: yeah I also remember being able ot get it down into the 80s, MAYBE high 70s at the hospital when I was screwing with one, but not this stupid one
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2020-03-11T04:43:59 < c_j_b> stlink now has that "CODE_OF_CANCEL_CULTURE.md" Explain.
2020-03-11T04:44:15 < doomba> c_j_b: the texane one?
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2020-03-11T04:44:48 < c_j_b> yup. I was updating TNT, and noticed it in the build-stink. Git repo says Feb 20th addition?
2020-03-11T04:49:10 < c_j_b> Current project is reprogramming some RS41 Radiosondes I recovered...
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2020-03-11T05:53:01 < jadew> I think at the current rate, Italy is going to catch up with China in ~3 weeks
2020-03-11T05:54:01 < jadew> I hope they're almost done with the old cases and no significant number of new ones are being created
2020-03-11T06:16:37 < c_j_b> I hope they beat the Chinese robot who built this STM32F100 Disco Baord... https://imgur.com/a/Ay0YJXv
2020-03-11T06:21:22 < Ultrasauce> is that the through plating popping out?
2020-03-11T06:27:25 < c_j_b> (better light: https://imgur.com/a/mK9GffN) .. Nope, seems to have just not seated properly. The other side has balls of solder that didn't wet the via/pads correctly.
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2020-03-11T06:33:17 < c_j_b> Factory demo code still works though. Not using the HSE I expect.
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2020-03-11T07:57:27 < Cracki> by the numbers, germany is about 8 days behind italy. awesome.
2020-03-11T08:01:44 < Cracki> I wish I took note of how individuals progressed from "flu is worse, all cool" to "send help I don't wanna die"
2020-03-11T08:23:03 < c_j_b> I hope everyone is laughing over the Australian hysteria over toilet paper.
2020-03-11T08:25:11 < c_j_b> "omg! I might have to self-quarantine for a whole 14 days, and the most important essential is toilet paper!" (..not coffee, milk, sugar, zooper doopers, ...)
2020-03-11T08:25:54 < c_j_b> "Online shopping? What's that?"
2020-03-11T08:30:47 < Cracki> ;)
2020-03-11T08:31:33 < Cracki> besides, as long as you get warm water from a tap, you can just hop in the shower/bathtub and shower your ass
2020-03-11T08:31:42 < Cracki> bidet without the bowl
2020-03-11T08:32:20 < Cracki> I was thinking, what could be the dumbest thing to cause a buying frenzy over, and then meme that into existence
2020-03-11T08:34:31 < Cracki> bought a bottle of alcohol and a bottle of chlorine-based stuff, there was no shortage of that
2020-03-11T08:35:03 < c_j_b> There's also "Waffle Stomping"..
2020-03-11T08:35:19 < c_j_b> Eat with the right, wipe with the left..
2020-03-11T08:36:40 < Cracki> what do waffles and stomping have to do with that?
2020-03-11T08:36:51 < Cracki> is waffle the drain grate?
2020-03-11T08:36:54 < c_j_b> Another annoying texane-stlink change/regression, it's jumped from autotools to cmake. 
2020-03-11T08:37:36 < Cracki> majority here seems to think there are better alternatives to texane stlink
2020-03-11T08:37:36 < c_j_b> The drain in the shower..
2020-03-11T08:38:00 < Cracki> I write with the left. my writing looks like shit.
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2020-03-11T08:46:04 < PaulFertser> c_j_b: ST folks are now contributing directly (and nicely) to OpenOCD, so running master branch is recommended.
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2020-03-11T08:51:40 < c_j_b> Oh well.. (..only 10 years of workflow interrupted..)
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2020-03-11T08:59:02 < Cracki> while you're at it, switch your keyboard and mouse, your operating system, the voltage and frequency of your mains electricity
2020-03-11T09:00:11 < c_j_b> ...to use TCL again, like it's 1996?
2020-03-11T09:00:54 < Cracki> maybe not that, but try perl. I hear it's the future.
2020-03-11T09:01:26 < c_j_b> Or whatever it's calling itself now..
2020-03-11T09:02:11 < Cracki> if you don't like tcl, you better stay away from commercial FPGA IDEs
2020-03-11T09:03:53 < Spirit532> If only OpenOCD actually delivered end product reliably
2020-03-11T09:04:13 < Spirit532> I tried making OpenOCD work with the G4 series - the only answer I found was "lol get everything and build it yourself"
2020-03-11T09:05:59 < Cracki> you can blame the open source devs and/or ST itself.
2020-03-11T09:06:25 < Cracki> ST still hasn't fixed the freertos+newlib memory issue
2020-03-11T09:07:14 < Cracki> some dude found this issue last year and decided to do a (slightly messy) write up on how to fix it per-project
2020-03-11T09:08:45 < Cracki> yesterday I found some thesis workers at my uni trying to contribute a huge code dump to some open source project... without coordinating even just a little bit with the developers.
2020-03-11T09:09:01 < Cracki> they basically had to redo everything *shrug8
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2020-03-11T09:13:20 < jpa-> Spirit532: yeah, it's a big problem that openocd hasn't released a new stable in 3 years
2020-03-11T09:13:48 < Spirit532> lol Cracki 
2020-03-11T09:13:55 < Spirit532> I fixed this exact issue with his exact patch
2020-03-11T09:13:57 < Spirit532> and mentioned it here
2020-03-11T09:13:57 < Spirit532> ha
2020-03-11T09:14:05 < Cracki> openocd might want to do beta releases or something
2020-03-11T09:14:33 < Cracki> I can understand the desire to want to release stable things, but that shouldn't prevent you from releasing something, nightlies in the worst case
2020-03-11T09:14:54 < jpa-> and considering the previous stable isn't really all that stable either
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2020-03-11T09:19:11 < Cracki> i see a jenkins with builds every other day
2020-03-11T09:20:44 < Cracki> no access to any binaries tho
2020-03-11T09:29:29 < c_j_b> openocd -f interface/stlink-v2-1.cfg -c "transport select hla_swd" -f target/stm32f4x.cfg -c init -c "reset init"
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2020-03-11T09:29:35 < c_j_b> well that was a PITA to figure out
2020-03-11T09:31:33 < jpa-> nowadays it's just   openocd -f interface/stlink.cfg -f target/stm32f4x.cfg
2020-03-11T09:31:58 < c_j_b> Not with 0.10.0 it isn't
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2020-03-11T09:32:14 < jpa-> yeah, the 3 years old version is a bit crappy
2020-03-11T09:32:54 < jpa-> in more ways than this - profiling is crazy slow, many newer stm32 families are not supported, it has problems with some gdb versions etc.
2020-03-11T09:33:22 < c_j_b> No joy with the F103 board. Will try to build the git repo
2020-03-11T09:33:38 < jpa-> if you have f1, use stm32f1x.cfg
2020-03-11T09:34:02 < c_j_b> I was.
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2020-03-11T09:44:54 < c_j_b> Nup, f4x works, f1x doesn't.
2020-03-11T09:45:59 < c_j_b> ah, usb port issues.
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2020-03-11T09:47:52 < c_j_b> ....you know, perhaps that crystal should be soldered back in first... -_-
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2020-03-11T10:01:17 < c_j_b> ...the fucking thing was in a socket
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2020-03-11T10:16:32 < Cracki> ♫ socketing in the 90s ♫
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2020-03-11T10:54:14 < dongs> karlp: sup?
2020-03-11T10:55:42 < dongs> karlp: talkin about zypsnips?
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2020-03-11T10:59:13 < dongs> 17:59 <bitmask> I'm making a magnetic stirrer to save $30 and I went to test a part of it, it spun up a lot faster than I was expecting and before I knew it a magnet flew off right into my screen
2020-03-11T10:59:17 < dongs> 18:00 <bitmask> so now its a $400 stirrer
2020-03-11T10:59:19 < dongs> lmao
2020-03-11T11:02:22 < Steffanx> Reading your backlog?
2020-03-11T11:03:07 < jpa-> no zypsnips
2020-03-11T11:03:27 < jpa-> karlp is now cataloging not only our successful part selections but also the failures :)
2020-03-11T11:06:50 < Cracki> bitmaaask where are you I need to know how the hell you spun that thing too fast
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2020-03-11T11:07:47 < jpa-> Cracki: he put a magnet on top of of spinning motor, just attached by magnetism; then magic happened and magnetism let him down
2020-03-11T11:08:48 < Cracki> sounds like he yolo'd it and gave the motor full voltage
2020-03-11T11:09:25 < jpa-> are there other kinds of voltage than full voltage?
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2020-03-11T11:09:59 < Cracki> in the words of the rossmann, a little bit of 18V and a lot of zero volts
2020-03-11T11:10:41 < Cracki> man I wish I had a (400-30) bucks display
2020-03-11T11:12:34 < dongs> fuck you and fuck rossman
2020-03-11T11:12:36 < dongs> fucking jew
2020-03-11T11:12:41 < jpa-> i think bitmask can sell you a slightly used one
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2020-03-11T11:22:34 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/NewTimesRwanda/status/1237048775526547456 #corona32
2020-03-11T11:26:54 < Cracki> good stuff
2020-03-11T11:27:12 < Cracki> they're ahead of western nations with that
2020-03-11T11:36:54 < PaulFertser> Looks like they have foot-operated pumps there.
2020-03-11T11:38:37 < Thorn> so, there's an ongoing catastrophe in Italy https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-italian-doctor-says-fighting-covid-19-outbreak-is-like-war-11954229
2020-03-11T11:40:41 < karlp> dongs: yeah, got some annotations on usb parts I'll update later, no big deal, just some clarity for the future beyond just the snipped irc bits
2020-03-11T11:41:54 < Thorn> >They followed all the indications given: a week or ten days at home with a fever without going out and risking contagion, but now they can't take it anymore. They don't breathe enough, they need oxygen.
2020-03-11T11:46:59 < Cracki> uh, they need oxygen because sick, or they need "fresh air" because cooped up too long and going stir crazy
2020-03-11T11:47:26 < karlp> my favourite news from today is iran has ~70 something deaths from covid, but 27 or something overnight from alcohol poisoning attempting to cure/innoculate themselves....
2020-03-11T11:47:40 < karlp> with another hundred or something hospitalized with alcohol poisoning
2020-03-11T11:47:42 < Cracki> read something on twitter from an italian yesterday, a lot of nuance goes lost in the translation, not to mention idioms coming out meaning the opposite
2020-03-11T12:11:39 < karlp> nice, asked liteon for 3d models of their dual leds.  get sent models for single leds :)
2020-03-11T12:11:46 < karlp> at least they respond though!
2020-03-11T12:12:33 < karlp> so weird, nice webpage for product group selection, then absolute shit storm of matching up long text ids between two sections to get the pdfs later.
2020-03-11T12:13:07 < karlp> like, who designed this page: https://optoelectronics.liteon.com/en-global/Led/LED-Component/Detail/448
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2020-03-11T13:43:47 < Laurenceb> https://slashdot.org/~Rei_is_a_dumbass
2020-03-11T13:43:49 < Laurenceb> keeeek
2020-03-11T13:44:04 < tcth_> up to this date I still don´t know what slashdot really is
2020-03-11T13:44:13 < karlp> oh, I actually had a question for you that was serious, but now you've polluted my mind with garbage again and I can't remember what it was now.
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2020-03-11T13:45:20 < tcth_> let me add to the pollution then: I am thinking of getting into HAM
2020-03-11T13:45:41 < dongs> wow, people still post on slashdot?
2020-03-11T13:45:44 < dongs> i have an account from like 1995
2020-03-11T13:45:50 < dongs> 4 digits uid
2020-03-11T13:46:03 < tcth_> Nice, I was merely 2 years old back then
2020-03-11T13:46:18 < dongs> Karma: Excellent
2020-03-11T13:46:39 < Laurenceb> slashdot is like reddit without the circlejerk retardation
2020-03-11T13:46:48 < tcth_> I see
2020-03-11T13:46:56 < tcth_> so basically stack overflow w/o the question focus
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2020-03-11T13:49:04 < Laurenceb> Rei is indeed a dumbass
2020-03-11T13:49:20 < c_j_b> reddit bullied me too much and I left ;_;
2020-03-11T13:50:41 < Laurenceb> Rei = Radfem from Iceland who works on google censorship team
2020-03-11T13:51:09 < Laurenceb> freebsdgrrrl 2.0
2020-03-11T13:51:19 < Cracki> cold hard nipples
2020-03-11T13:51:37 < Laurenceb> at least Rei comes without girl on the internet syndrome
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2020-03-11T13:52:16 < Laurenceb> gotis
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2020-03-11T13:53:32 < Cracki> >ticking time bomb
2020-03-11T13:53:57 < Cracki> srsly a test that's supposed to push crew dragon to its limits obviously reached its limits ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2020-03-11T13:54:11 < Laurenceb> >what is a troll account
2020-03-11T13:54:29 < Cracki> trolls against the wall
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2020-03-11T13:55:56 < dongs> what happend now
2020-03-11T13:56:16 < Cracki> rossssmannn
2020-03-11T13:57:16 < tcth_> BrainDamage, you around?
2020-03-11T13:57:28 < c_j_b> openocd stm32f103 happenings \o/ .. For some reason the debugger is flashing "VVVVV" in morse code constantly.
2020-03-11T13:57:42 < BrainDamage> tcth_: 
2020-03-11T13:57:45 < BrainDamage> yes
2020-03-11T13:57:56 < tcth_> BrainDamage, wtf is going on over there? I hear a lot of taddles
2020-03-11T13:57:58 < dongs> c_j_b: youre still alive?
2020-03-11T13:58:09 < dongs> figured you died of  fores fires or sars 2.0
2020-03-11T13:58:42 < tcth_> dongs, how do we know that didn´t happen to the real dongs and you´re just wannabe blaxter?
2020-03-11T13:59:03 < BrainDamage> taddles?
2020-03-11T13:59:08 < tcth_> twaddle*
2020-03-11T13:59:37 < c_j_b> Didn't die riding a scooter across the country, either.
2020-03-11T14:00:00 < dongs> nice
2020-03-11T14:00:04 < tcth_> ticino seems to freak out but nobody in switzerland takes them serious because the past 20 years they have been real diva bitches always flaming switzerland trying to migrate to become a part of italy instead and now that shit is going down they do the typical italian move once again and switch sides and bitch against italy.
2020-03-11T14:00:44 < karlp> so what the fuck company is being talked abotu here?! https://twitter.com/ico_TC/status/1237672114997678080
2020-03-11T14:00:48 < c_j_b> Remember when you bullied me back in 2013 about setting fires across Australia? That was literally happening again-- every place I camped at had a massive bushfire start a day after I left. 
2020-03-11T14:01:13 < BrainDamage> when people are scared they act irrational, my sister got sent back from the border despite having authorization to work
2020-03-11T14:01:59 < tcth_> BrainDamage, yeah that´s what I was hoping to get a bit more info from you on. What´s the border situation? Is Italy trying to keep people in?
2020-03-11T14:02:36 < BrainDamage> yes, the order is to not cross provinces unless you have an explicit reason for
2020-03-11T14:02:49 < c_j_b> I was waking up at almost every campsite in 200-metre visibility bushfire smoke, having thought I'd outrun the smoke the previous afternoon-- nope, another fire started nearby.
2020-03-11T14:02:54 < BrainDamage> all social activities are suspended and all commercial too past 18
2020-03-11T14:02:56 < tcth_> BrainDamage, that sounds like a sensible move
2020-03-11T14:03:33 < tcth_> that´s like the most decent thing I have seen Italy doing in like a decade
2020-03-11T14:03:39 < c_j_b> No-one else has that TP Panic like in Aussie? (/I/ stockpiled on coffeee..)
2020-03-11T14:03:59 < BrainDamage> fun thing, my sister works for a company that does medical inventory management for most switzerland ( galenica )
2020-03-11T14:04:16 < tcth_> ah, yeah
2020-03-11T14:04:20 < tcth_> so what was the rejection based on?
2020-03-11T14:04:20 < BrainDamage> and they have a decent fraction if italians working there
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2020-03-11T14:04:24 < BrainDamage> fear
2020-03-11T14:05:34 < BrainDamage> she already does home working 4 days out of 5, pre-accorded, but had to go there specifically to debug some things in person
2020-03-11T14:06:02 < BrainDamage> I mean pre-accorded when this thing started
2020-03-11T14:06:46 < BrainDamage> it seems to me the general thought is that italians are the new plague spreader from the '1000 era
2020-03-11T14:07:06 < BrainDamage> and we're all infected
2020-03-11T14:07:42 < tcth_> not only to you, Sir. Not only to you...
2020-03-11T14:12:08 < c_j_b> So whatever happened to dropping a nuke on a city to stop the spread of a disease?
2020-03-11T14:12:32 < tcth_> do you even know how europe works? ^^
2020-03-11T14:15:20 < karlp> small ones, the best ones, best ones anyones ever seen.
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2020-03-11T15:05:51 < tomeaton17> is it possible to include board outline in pcb printout without converting shape to primitives?
2020-03-11T15:10:48 < Laurenceb> wut
2020-03-11T15:10:55 < Laurenceb> what cad software?
2020-03-11T15:11:12 < tomeaton17> oh sorry I forgot to say altium
2020-03-11T15:11:23 < Laurenceb> never used it sorry
2020-03-11T15:11:26 < tomeaton17> I thought everyone used altium here
2020-03-11T15:11:32 < Laurenceb> what is the format atm?
2020-03-11T15:11:34 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb: do you use Kikecad?
2020-03-11T15:11:42 < Laurenceb> a bit, and a bit of eagle
2020-03-11T15:11:54 < tomeaton17> Its just not being included at the moment and I can't see a setting for it 
2020-03-11T15:11:56 < Laurenceb> these days I mostly do finite element and fluid dynamics tbh
2020-03-11T15:13:04 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb: do you use maxwell?
2020-03-11T15:13:33 < Laurenceb> I have done, but not atm
2020-03-11T15:13:52 < tomeaton17> I used that in my emf class but a really old 2d version
2020-03-11T15:14:07 < tomeaton17> apparently the 3d version is too complex WeirdChamp
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2020-03-11T15:49:12 < Thorn> 3 months after the virus https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4VebahDorcU/VBzf-2DbetI/AAAAAAAAGhY/RhsSttGTeYY/s1600/crustypunks3.jpg
2020-03-11T15:55:25 < PaulFertser> The cat looks pretty clean.
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2020-03-11T16:20:56 < karlp> that's a horrible place to keep a saw
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2020-03-11T16:34:05 < karlp> lol "14:30:11  GyrosGeier | Amiga people are one of the biggest PCB designer demographics now"
2020-03-11T16:37:30 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/hTB6SzM.png
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2020-03-11T16:39:04 < Laurenceb>  +20% per day intensifies
2020-03-11T16:39:31 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: old
2020-03-11T16:40:02 < Laurenceb> at first it was liek "lol Iranian MPs have coronavirus"
2020-03-11T16:40:17 < Laurenceb> but then it was liek *uk PMs cough and die*
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2020-03-11T16:42:48 < BrainDamage> sounds like the best scenario for you
2020-03-11T16:42:58 < BrainDamage> brexit problem solved
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2020-03-11T16:44:04 < Laurenceb> bring back the Poles, drive out the Cockney drug dealers
2020-03-11T16:44:13  * karlp lols.  mentor graphics calls g++ under the covers to run some constraints and rule checking.
2020-03-11T16:50:09 < dongs> https://twitter.com/JasnTru/status/1237746757364142081
2020-03-11T16:50:18 < dongs> karlp: in pcb cad????
2020-03-11T16:50:37 < dongs> or thei fpga shit
2020-03-11T16:54:23 < karlp> I'm guessing from the source it's their asic stuff.
2020-03-11T16:54:35 < karlp> bug reports from customers that don't have g++ installed.
2020-03-11T16:55:54 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb: are you a remainer
2020-03-11T16:57:16 < karlp> anyone know what you use to browse mdns from osx?
2020-03-11T16:58:40 < karlp> safari used to have it built in, but it's been removed since v11 in 2017.
2020-03-11T16:58:41 < tomeaton17> discovery on app store?
2020-03-11T16:59:03 < karlp> there's nothing built in?
2020-03-11T16:59:06 < karlp> not even cli?
2020-03-11T16:59:08 < englishman> lol karlp
2020-03-11T16:59:21 < englishman> what fucking FPGA company would switch to only opensores tools
2020-03-11T16:59:38 < englishman> that's a sure way to guarantee that only opensores tools buy your chips
2020-03-11T17:00:23 < tomeaton17> karlp: don't know sorry I just used that
2020-03-11T17:00:37 < karlp> englishman: well, I _presume_ they meant for someone knew, but there's no further information anyway so "+srhugs"
2020-03-11T17:00:47 < tomeaton17> oh actually there is dns-sd 
2020-03-11T17:00:52 < karlp> tomeaton17: got a link to the actual app? discovery" on the app store gives me ... maybe not the same results
2020-03-11T17:00:54 < englishman> Xilinx raised their prices 25% yesterday
2020-03-11T17:01:04 < englishman> on everything older than zynq
2020-03-11T17:01:12 < englishman> even artix7
2020-03-11T17:01:47 < tomeaton17> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/discovery-dns-sd-browser/id1381004916?mt=12 karlp  but its just a front end to dns-sd
2020-03-11T17:02:28 < karlp> right, I was just using "discovery" and finding... other things
2020-03-11T17:02:50 < karlp> tomeaton17: have you used it? does it work ok?
2020-03-11T17:03:07 < karlp> I can't even see the screenshots
2020-03-11T17:03:31 < tomeaton17> I used it once a while ago don't really remember but it worked okay
2020-03-11T17:03:57 < tomeaton17> you could just use dns-sd on cli
2020-03-11T17:04:14 < karlp> can you show me the difference between dns-sd -B and dns-sd -L for some service?
2020-03-11T17:05:03 < karlp> nvm, I want -B
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2020-03-11T17:15:19 < aandrew> https://www.infowars.com/islamic-scholar-who-said-coronavirus-was-allahs-punishment-gets-coronavirus/ lol
2020-03-11T17:15:47 < aandrew> englishman: I disagree 100% on that
2020-03-11T17:15:51 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: do you know how to inject position in gpsd to a gps device to speed up fix?
2020-03-11T17:16:21 < aandrew> you make your own toolset OSS, hire on a few devs for all the mtn dew and cheetos they can eat and get the best of both worlds
2020-03-11T17:16:36 < aandrew> I can't think of a single FPGA vendor toolset that cannot be improved by open-sourcing it
2020-03-11T17:16:59 < aandrew> they've all got bugs YEARS old that would take someone a couple hours to fix if they only could be bothered to do so
2020-03-11T17:17:00 < BrainDamage> to me maintaining their own ide and compiler infra for a fpga vendors sounds like a liability
2020-03-11T17:17:04 < englishman> ^opensores tool
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2020-03-11T17:17:31 < BrainDamage> it doesn't have to be open sores per se, but competition and offloading would be good
2020-03-11T17:17:36 < BrainDamage> vs single vendor errything
2020-03-11T17:17:46 < aandrew> you OSS it and control the releases that you support of course
2020-03-11T17:17:52 < jadew> according to our data, Israel is fucked too
2020-03-11T17:18:09 < aandrew> but the tool itself is 100% OSS so I can write my own fucking patches and submit PRs like any other well maintained product
2020-03-11T17:18:15 < jadew> we had several cases from Romanian tourists that went there
2020-03-11T17:18:59 < BrainDamage> stm32 has been turned into jaden's journal of descent into paranoia
2020-03-11T17:19:54 < jadew> I haven't commented on this in quite a while
2020-03-11T17:20:10 < jadew> like... 2 or 3 days, only maybe answered to some other people commenting
2020-03-11T17:21:50 < BrainDamage> yes, but you barely talk of anything else in general
2020-03-11T17:21:54 < jadew> the problem with opensourcing your shit and having users contribute with tools and all that, is that they can then take those tools and support your competition
2020-03-11T17:22:22 < jadew> and you may find yourself in the situation in which you've actively contributed with money and HR for your competition
2020-03-11T17:22:40 < jadew> BrainDamage, I just did :P
2020-03-11T17:22:42 < BrainDamage> has that actually happened? eg in intel vs amd
2020-03-11T17:22:43 < aandrew> jadew: if your tools are all that is keeping your multi-hundred-million-dollar FPGA company afloat you're already fucked six ways from Sunday
2020-03-11T17:22:55 < BrainDamage> or the gpu cases
2020-03-11T17:24:05 < aandrew> it would actually be really nice to have a tool that can generate bitstreams for intel/xilinx/lattice parts, although I don't know that that would necessarily be a real selling feature
2020-03-11T17:24:56 < aandrew> probably just like compilers, you "compile" the HDL to some intermediate description language and then shove it off to device-specific P&R. the netlist coming back could go to a common timing analysis module
2020-03-11T17:25:17 < aandrew> as long as the delays/etc are sufficiently communicated in the netlist
2020-03-11T17:26:05 < BrainDamage> rtl
2020-03-11T17:26:10 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Register-transfer_level
2020-03-11T17:26:32 < aandrew> yep
2020-03-11T17:26:42 < Cracki> I don't get the argument either. a hw company makes money from people USING (1) their HW (2). free usability (free toolchain) would be excellent.
2020-03-11T17:26:54 < Cracki> sure it may help competition because they benefit from free tools too...
2020-03-11T17:27:11 < Cracki> but you now have resources to spare you can throw at making hw better.
2020-03-11T17:27:15 < jadew> Cracki, yeah, but if your tools are shit, fewer people are going to switch over
2020-03-11T17:27:27 < Cracki> then you have to make your tools not-shit
2020-03-11T17:27:58 < jadew> yeah, which is more difficult if you can't just take the tools that were implemented for one of your competitors
2020-03-11T17:28:08 < Cracki> it makes sense to do a "hostile takeover" of some open source project because you get _some_ contributions you didn't pay for
2020-03-11T17:28:09 < jadew> so that competitor has 0 incentive to go opensource with anything
2020-03-11T17:28:28 < BrainDamage> nobody says you have to open sores your own tools, they can be developed from scratch
2020-03-11T17:28:37 < BrainDamage> then they benefit everyone
2020-03-11T17:29:18 < aandrew> the issue most companies seem to have is that they are afraid that their secret sauce (internal timings, routing strategies, etc.) are part of their IP and releasing that will harm the company
2020-03-11T17:32:40 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/dcohen104/status/1233392763095396353
2020-03-11T17:34:37 < Thorn> weinstein got 23 years
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2020-03-11T17:41:57 < Cracki> whose pronouns did he mess up
2020-03-11T17:44:49 < Thorn> we need 3d printers for silicon with 12 nm resolution and a unit cost of $10k + an open sauce physical design package
2020-03-11T17:48:46 < dongs> weinwho
2020-03-11T17:49:36 < Cracki> people will pimp the gimp to use layers for the third dimension, and then you'll get huge bitmap datasets for your printer
2020-03-11T17:50:22 < zyp> I feel that the current opensource fpga stuff has come a long way since I last looked at it a couple of years ago
2020-03-11T17:50:53 < Cracki> so have the people behind it
2020-03-11T17:51:05 < zyp> I guess that if they keep progressing, there might come a critical point where fpga vendors see benefit in actually supporting those
2020-03-11T17:51:21 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/0G1vun9.gifv
2020-03-11T17:51:53 < Cracki> then we get the arm situation where vendors take eclipse and gcc and brand it and it's awful
2020-03-11T17:52:10 < Cracki> except now it's open source awful and not TCL+secret sauce awful
2020-03-11T17:52:30 < Cracki> but jadew, I didn't know your standards had slipped!
2020-03-11T17:53:00 < zyp> Cracki, who cares? nobody forces you to use that, you can still use your own gcc toolchain
2020-03-11T17:53:48 < zyp> that people will make shit tools out of good oss tools is not an argument against good oss tools
2020-03-11T17:53:54 < Cracki> right, which is better than having awful compilers made by vendors. I like gcc or llvm as a standard.
2020-03-11T17:54:05 < zyp> yes
2020-03-11T17:54:43 < Cracki> I think what I'm getting at is that mfgs will be lazy if they own the market
2020-03-11T17:54:43 < zyp> I'm using some TI CGT shit for work, it's a bit annoying to work with
2020-03-11T17:54:50 < jadew> thing is, unless there's some really good OSS tool, companies will keep making their tools
2020-03-11T17:54:57 < jadew> and keep the closed source
2020-03-11T17:55:10 < zyp> sure
2020-03-11T17:55:10 < jadew> because they see that as an area where they can gain an advantage over the competition
2020-03-11T17:55:12 < Cracki> oh well, for 3d cad, commercial is a decade ahead of open sores
2020-03-11T17:55:17 < Cracki> because there's demand and competition
2020-03-11T17:55:25 < zyp> jadew, that's where that critical point comes in
2020-03-11T17:55:32 < jadew> yeah, you're right
2020-03-11T17:55:42 < Cracki> demand mostly from people who demand better UX. engineers are used to suffering.
2020-03-11T17:56:13 < Cracki> fpga market has _some_ competition... it sure could use more of that
2020-03-11T17:56:19 < jadew> Cracki, they're used to that until they learn that they don't have to
2020-03-11T17:56:52 < Cracki> they see their chips as the product, the tool support as secondary at best?
2020-03-11T17:57:25 < Thorn> https://nypost.com/2020/03/11/woman-quarantined-with-body-of-husband-who-died-of-coronavirus/
2020-03-11T17:57:48 < Cracki> I think you could make money by making a commercial IDE that supports major fpgas better than the mfgs do it
2020-03-11T17:58:16 < Cracki> would have to rely on reverse engineering or NDAs
2020-03-11T17:58:37 < Thorn> there's Synplify
2020-03-11T17:58:38 < Cracki> can they not cremate his body instead of making her sit on it?
2020-03-11T17:58:43 < jadew> Thorn, at least in china they had body gathering teams
2020-03-11T17:58:52 < Cracki> bring out your dead!
2020-03-11T17:58:56 < Thorn> but it only does RTL -> gate level afaik
2020-03-11T17:58:57 < Cracki> hey I'm not dead yet
2020-03-11T17:59:01 < Cracki> moar pls
2020-03-11T17:59:24 < jadew> if that lady makes it, she'll have some awful nightmares afterwards
2020-03-11T17:59:28 < Cracki> rtl to gate level is a good piece of work already
2020-03-11T17:59:29 < jadew> they've probably already started
2020-03-11T17:59:46 < jadew> hell, she's in one right now
2020-03-11T17:59:57 < BrainDamage> it's a tiny town, they're probably not equpped for the transport
2020-03-11T18:00:10 < BrainDamage> we do have transport of bodies otherwise
2020-03-11T18:00:16 < BrainDamage> also, funerals are banned
2020-03-11T18:00:23 < jadew> BrainDamage, what's the PPE situation there?
2020-03-11T18:00:33 < BrainDamage> ppe?
2020-03-11T18:00:36 < jadew> enough hazmat and masks?
2020-03-11T18:00:47 < jadew> personal protection equipment
2020-03-11T18:01:08 < jadew> (for the health workers)
2020-03-11T18:01:09 < BrainDamage> I'm in one of the larger cities and my province has less infected than people outside the danger area
2020-03-11T18:01:37 < BrainDamage> so much that we're receiving sick from other places to take care of them
2020-03-11T18:02:04 < BrainDamage> so the situation here is moderately calm
2020-03-11T18:02:23 < jadew> happens here as well, but this is mostly due to the fact that we have the best hospitals in the country
2020-03-11T18:02:31 < jadew> and because we're so many
2020-03-11T18:02:40 < BrainDamage> 40 infected over ~300k people
2020-03-11T18:02:53 < jadew> not bad
2020-03-11T18:03:12 < BrainDamage> and only 1 in my city, which has 100k people and 4 hospitals
2020-03-11T18:03:15 < jadew> what are they saying about those measures - when are they going to revise them?
2020-03-11T18:03:32 < jadew> here it's march 22 I think for schools, but I bet they won't open until fall
2020-03-11T18:03:46 < BrainDamage> 5 april
2020-03-11T18:04:58 < jadew> the slope of the number of cases is lowering in there, so maybe it's working
2020-03-11T18:05:25 < jadew> I guess we'll find out in a couple of hours
2020-03-11T18:05:36 < BrainDamage> the only thing that matters is average over a couple of days
2020-03-11T18:05:49 < BrainDamage> 1-2 days results are too noisy from external factors
2020-03-11T18:06:10 < BrainDamage> but yesterday's reports had infection rate cut out to 1/3rd of previous days
2020-03-11T18:06:29 < jadew> I noticed
2020-03-11T18:07:59 < Thorn> reduce testing rate -> reduce detection rate
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2020-03-11T18:09:00 < Thorn> should I learn some category theory?
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2020-03-11T18:09:19 < BrainDamage> testing rate is the same, also reported publicly
2020-03-11T18:09:48 < BrainDamage> https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-testing-covid-19-tests-per-capita-chart-us-behind-2020-3?IR=T
2020-03-11T18:10:31 < BrainDamage> we're not efficient as sk, but you cannot claim we've been negligent
2020-03-11T18:12:13 < qyx> we have 126 test per m
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2020-03-11T18:18:49 < Laurenceb> send ur strength to based Weinersteiner
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2020-03-11T18:18:54 < Laurenceb> btfoing the thots
2020-03-11T18:19:44 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: do you know how to inject position to a gps device using gpsd to accelerate a fix?
2020-03-11T18:19:58 < BrainDamage> it's a ublox using the binary protocol
2020-03-11T18:20:01 < Laurenceb> fraid not
2020-03-11T18:20:12 < Laurenceb> I ragequit getting it to work properly
2020-03-11T18:20:31 < Laurenceb> managed to get it to accept the ubx binary and set system time
2020-03-11T18:20:48 < Laurenceb> but for configuring the gps I setup a rules.d file to run a shell script
2020-03-11T18:20:58 < BrainDamage> I have that working ine, even the pps output
2020-03-11T18:21:15 < Laurenceb> the script disabled gpsd, too control of the serial port, then injected the ubx commands to configure it
2020-03-11T18:21:22 < Laurenceb> oh there was a big issue...
2020-03-11T18:21:45 < BrainDamage> gpsctl can send directly commands proxied through gpsd
2020-03-11T18:21:48 < Laurenceb> I remember: I had to setup /dev/ubloxgps, then simlink it to the true port
2020-03-11T18:22:09 < Laurenceb> yeah I ran into issues doing it that way, cant remeber why, it was over a year ago
2020-03-11T18:22:39 < BrainDamage> mmm, if using nmea iirc it has a param to send manual position
2020-03-11T18:23:02 < BrainDamage> maybe i should just really disconnect gpsd, set to nmea, send pos, switch back to binary and reconnect gpsd
2020-03-11T18:23:20 < karlp> jadew: time to relax, come visit iceland for the 26th!
2020-03-11T18:23:29 < Laurenceb> yeahh thats similar to my solution
2020-03-11T18:24:14 < Laurenceb> but about 1 time in 100 gpsd would not start properly
2020-03-11T18:24:21 < Laurenceb> and the only solution was ot reboot
2020-03-11T18:24:40 < BrainDamage> i have no such issues
2020-03-11T18:24:48 < BrainDamage> I even got dgps over ip working
2020-03-11T18:24:52 < Laurenceb> probably something to do with how it was being shutdown, but I never got chance to investigate properly
2020-03-11T18:25:05 < Laurenceb> dont work on babbyshake any more so who cares lol
2020-03-11T18:25:31 < Laurenceb> this was for wambulance laptop
2020-03-11T18:25:43 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: position alone won't give you much of an advantage (if any) because position was useful for old receivers to avoid wasting time trying to receive from sats that are not visible. But with modern receivers they have more correlators than the birds so it listens to all of them at the same time.
2020-03-11T18:25:52 < Laurenceb> I made the gui pop up a window to tell them to reboot when gpsd broke lmao
2020-03-11T18:26:12 < Laurenceb> PaulFerster: its still faster
2020-03-11T18:26:24 < Laurenceb> but battery backup on ublox saves most of the hassle
2020-03-11T18:26:29 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: how fast is faster?
2020-03-11T18:26:53 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: second for a fix instead of 10-30s
2020-03-11T18:26:54 < Laurenceb> if you have battery backed ram running and turn it on within a few days and within a mile or so I was getting lock in <5s
2020-03-11T18:26:58 < Laurenceb> yeah
2020-03-11T18:27:15 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: for ~seconds fix you need current ephemeris data
2020-03-11T18:27:29 < BrainDamage> already fetching it through interwebs
2020-03-11T18:27:33 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: ephemeris are good for 2-4 hours, not more.
2020-03-11T18:27:42 < karlp> that's why the interwebs are useful
2020-03-11T18:27:59 < Laurenceb> well battery backup saves time to fix on ublox even after a few days when I try it
2020-03-11T18:28:01 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: if you feed it current ephemeris indeed that's useful.
2020-03-11T18:28:26 < BrainDamage> I also feed dgps data from univ in rome, milan and poland
2020-03-11T18:28:32 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: are you saying that after a few days you were able to get a fix in less than 30 seconds thanks to the battery backup alone?
2020-03-11T18:28:44 < BrainDamage> so there's good chance i have the same sky view info
2020-03-11T18:28:49 < Laurenceb> PaulFertser: yes
2020-03-11T18:28:57 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: no way it can be true :)
2020-03-11T18:29:12 < Laurenceb> PaulFertser: with no bbram it has no clue what the time is or where it is
2020-03-11T18:29:17 < Laurenceb> so it makes lots of sense to me
2020-03-11T18:29:45 < Laurenceb> its literally initialised at the center of the earth
2020-03-11T18:30:01 < Laurenceb> and has to find a sat to grab approx time
2020-03-11T18:30:15 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: every sat transmits its full current ephemeris data in 30 seconds cycles. You can't get proper fix without having those one way or the other. So either you need to feed it externally with that or you need to receive. And for reception you need 30 seconds.
2020-03-11T18:30:38 < Laurenceb> thats not what I've seen
2020-03-11T18:30:49 < Laurenceb> it prob uses saved ephemeris as an approximation
2020-03-11T18:30:50 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: and after 30 seconds any modern receiver is able to get a 3D fix without any additional data.
2020-03-11T18:31:05 < Laurenceb> again not what I've seen
2020-03-11T18:31:06 < PaulFertser> It can't be giving a valid 3d fix without current data, no.
2020-03-11T18:31:13 < Laurenceb> prob 1.5 minutes at least with ublox8
2020-03-11T18:31:42 < Laurenceb> yeah it is larger error in the first minute or so
2020-03-11T18:31:47 < PaulFertser> GPS is not magic, and the documents describing the format and timings etc are available.
2020-03-11T18:32:06 < Laurenceb> sure but the ublox firmware is using approximations etc
2020-03-11T18:33:52 < PaulFertser> If it's giving a 3d fix using stale ephemeris then it's a firmware bug I'd say.
2020-03-11T18:35:28 < Laurenceb> maybe there are settings to control this, while since I looked through ublox documentation
2020-03-11T18:39:46 < qyx> BrainDamage: rtcm?
2020-03-11T18:40:22 < qyx> are those sources free?
2020-03-11T18:40:29 < qyx> I mean the ones you mentioned
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2020-03-11T18:45:06 < BrainDamage> the dgps sources? yes
2020-03-11T18:47:09 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Networked_Transport_of_RTCM_via_Internet_Protocol
2020-03-11T18:48:20 < Laurenceb> neat
2020-03-11T18:49:21 < BrainDamage> all you need in gpsd is a line like dgpsip://gps1.geod.agh.edu.pl
2020-03-11T18:49:38 < Laurenceb> with EGNOS I was seeing prob 99% of wambulance points with <1m error at 15hz output
2020-03-11T18:49:59 < Laurenceb> wonder how good proper dgps would get
2020-03-11T18:50:41 < Laurenceb> prob wouldnt avoid nasty multipath errors around interchanges
2020-03-11T18:51:00 < Laurenceb> I was seeing up to 10m error worst case occasionally
2020-03-11T18:55:22 < qyx> BrainDamage: I know what dgps is but I though those RTCM over IP were not freely accessible
2020-03-11T18:55:43 < BrainDamage> there are some free sources
2020-03-11T18:55:49 < BrainDamage> one is one I pasted
2020-03-11T18:55:58 < BrainDamage> generally univs providing them
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2020-03-11T19:03:34 < Thorn> how do I name 4 functions returning 4 bytes of an uint32_t? msb(), ?, ?, lsb()
2020-03-11T19:05:48 < BrainDamage> lsb_1 lsb_2, etc
2020-03-11T19:06:27 < Thorn> https://godbolt.org/z/_rP_x7
2020-03-11T19:10:41 < jpa-> i would have   unpack_uint8(x, 0);  unpack_uint8(x, 1);  etc.
2020-03-11T19:11:34 < jpa-> i.e. static inline uint8_t unpack_uint8(uint32_t x, uint8_t idx) { return (x >> (idx * 8)) & 0xFF; }
2020-03-11T19:12:27 < Steffanx> Wheres your constexpr 
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2020-03-11T19:12:35 < jpa-> in mythical c++ land
2020-03-11T19:12:39 < Steffanx> Damnit
2020-03-11T19:12:41 < Thorn> no more Russian visas for Italians since March 13
2020-03-11T19:13:24 < BrainDamage> it was super hard to get a russian visa for italians in the first place
2020-03-11T19:13:28 < BrainDamage> not much difference
2020-03-11T19:15:25 < englishman> for shit like wanbulance isn't ppk okay
2020-03-11T19:15:37 < englishman> if you even need that precision
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2020-03-11T19:18:51 < karlp> Thorn: get a real language that lets you do multi return...
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2020-03-11T19:19:20 < karlp> why on earth would you want four separate functions for gettinga byte out of a word anyway?
2020-03-11T19:19:42 < BrainDamage> or just resturn a struct
2020-03-11T19:19:56 < karlp> that sounds like AbstractedByteExtractionFactory Implements IWildlyCOmplicatedAPItoGetBytesFromWords
2020-03-11T19:21:39 < Steffanx> Camel case -_-
2020-03-11T19:23:55 < Thorn> my code will at least get optimized away, no actual function calls in the object code
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2020-03-11T19:49:51 < jadew> karlp, what's on the 26th?
2020-03-11T19:52:02 < Steffanx> OHNO CORONA close to me. Run jadew, run
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2020-03-11T20:01:20 < karlp> jadew: romania v iceland!
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2020-03-11T20:04:54 < upgrdman> windows pros: what's better: cygwin or mingw or ?
2020-03-11T20:07:37 < upgrdman> or is wsl better?
2020-03-11T20:08:09 < Steffanx> What is better?
2020-03-11T20:08:12 < Steffanx> and what is your goal?
2020-03-11T20:08:37 < upgrdman> gcc/make/etc for windows
2020-03-11T20:09:40 < upgrdman> im trying to figure out JNI and cross-platform faggotry. so i'm spinning up VMs for a bunch of OS's
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2020-03-11T20:10:01 < Steffanx> WSL is easy. but .. its more lunix than windows.
2020-03-11T20:10:16 < upgrdman> i could just use visual studio in windows, but it'd make my life easier to just use gcc/make/etc to keep changes between OS's minimal
2020-03-11T20:10:30 < Steffanx> for me  mingw works fine enough most of the time
2020-03-11T20:10:34 < upgrdman> k
2020-03-11T20:10:39 < upgrdman> good enough, thx
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2020-03-11T20:12:30 < Steffanx> But that i mainly did Qt and just made it install mingw etc.
2020-03-11T20:12:39 < upgrdman> k
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2020-03-11T20:21:03 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: I would also suggest to consider msys2. It's actively maintained, it can build both fully native apps and cygwin-style apps, it has a reasonable package manager (pacman from archlinux).
2020-03-11T20:21:40 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: but if you just need a VM with filesharing then WSL would be the easiest way I guess.
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2020-03-11T21:40:07 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, cool. so i don't know shit about this stuff. afaik, mingw/cygwin/msys just provide common gnu and unix tools, right? why do you prefer msys2? just a nicer package manager?
2020-03-11T21:41:30 < ds2> OT rant - why does gnuplot have to be such pain when it comes to plotting rows of a CSV...@#%#$@%#%#$# it was easier to get it to work in octave :(
2020-03-11T21:43:04 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: not exactly, they're all quite different. cygwin is kinda like a GNU distro with their own rudimentary package manager and a great deal of POSIX compatibility that requires additional DLL (cygwin1.dll or whatever they call it) to work.
2020-03-11T21:43:20 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: mingw is long since deprecated and forgotten (doesn't even support C99)
2020-03-11T21:44:03 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: mingw32-w64 is the modern mingw version, same on GNU/Linux and Windows, has C99, suitable for building (and cross-building) fully native Windows apps.
2020-03-11T21:44:55 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: msys2 is kinda like cygwin (partially forked from it) but it uses pacman and also it makes it handy to build not only msys2-specific software but also native apps.
2020-03-11T21:46:35 < upgrdman> k
2020-03-11T21:51:31 < upgrdman> never used pacman, used to deb. looks like "pacman -Syu" is equivalent to "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" and "pacman -S name" is the equiv of "apt-get install name"?
2020-03-11T21:52:59 < PaulFertser> Oh, I'm not an Arch user too, so can't exactly tell you details like that right away.
2020-03-11T21:53:31 < PaulFertser> I remember it was kinda weird, probably -Ss or something
2020-03-11T21:57:09 < upgrdman> k
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2020-03-11T22:09:03 < Steffanx> I asssume PaulFertser means mingw-w64 and not mingw32-w64? :P
2020-03-11T22:10:36 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: the compiler is called i686-w64-mingw32-gcc
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2020-03-11T22:16:59 < veverak> upgrdman: seems about right
2020-03-11T22:17:21 < veverak> upgrdman: but "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"  is false
2020-03-11T22:17:39 < veverak> pacman does not have versions like ubuntu/debian, so nothing like 'apt-get upgrade' exists
2020-03-11T22:17:48 < veverak> pacman -Syu is apt-get update
2020-03-11T22:29:41 < Steffanx> Hah PaulFertser. Now you're being precise ;)
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2020-03-11T22:42:33 < PaulFertser> I like your nitpicking Steffanx :)
2020-03-11T22:44:07 < doomba> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ujPDBt_l0M
2020-03-11T22:49:37 < Steffanx> I only do that because you asked me to do that, PaulFertser
2020-03-11T22:50:58 < Steffanx> Hows your Corona doomba?
2020-03-11T22:51:11 < Steffanx> Corona of glans penis
2020-03-11T22:51:33 < doomba> doing well. we just planned a trip to wuhan for july
2020-03-11T22:51:46 < doomba> corona wants to go back and see hometown
2020-03-11T22:51:53 < doomba> and wants me to meet famiwy
2020-03-11T22:52:01 < BrainDamage> wuhan -> madagascar
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2020-03-11T22:54:59 < Steffanx> Cant get into Madagascar right?
2020-03-11T22:55:42 < PaulFertser> SHUTDOWNEVERYTHING!
2020-03-11T22:56:28 < Steffanx> Dutchland is too late with that now. 
2020-03-11T22:57:02 < qyx> we are shutting down while still having only 10 cases
2020-03-11T22:57:08 < qyx> but I am suspecting much more
2020-03-11T22:57:49 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: that's a reference to https://plagueinc.fandom.com/wiki/Shut_Down_Everything
2020-03-11T22:58:03 < Steffanx> yeah. i just read denmark and austria too, qyx
2020-03-11T22:58:08 < Steffanx> i know i know PaulFertser
2020-03-11T22:58:50 < PaulFertser> So that works only for Madagascar anyway
2020-03-11T23:00:32 < BrainDamage> it's a ripoff from a meme from pandemic 2
2020-03-11T23:01:21 < bitmask> alright, these magnets aren't going anywhere!
2020-03-11T23:01:23 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/aqHIfjB
2020-03-11T23:01:40 < Steffanx> what if they all go together?
2020-03-11T23:02:11 < bitmask> shush
2020-03-11T23:02:40 < BrainDamage> is the cracked one the one that flew off?
2020-03-11T23:03:47 < bitmask> its not cracked, just an imperfection in the epoxy, im not using the one that flew off
2020-03-11T23:05:59 < BrainDamage> are you going for just stirrer or hotplate / stirrer combo?
2020-03-11T23:06:41 < bitmask> for now just stirrer
2020-03-11T23:09:33 < qyx> are you making a covid testing lab?
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2020-03-11T23:09:51 < bitmask> no idea what that is
2020-03-11T23:10:29 < bitmask> so sure :)
2020-03-11T23:10:56 < bitmask> oh googled
2020-03-11T23:11:03 < bitmask> hell no
2020-03-11T23:11:24 < oz4ga> Steffanx: Yes Denmark is shutting down. All eudaction and no critical public service is closing. Assembly of more than 100 will be banned pls more to come :(
2020-03-11T23:12:08 < oz4ga> #we_are_screwed_2
2020-03-11T23:12:42 < bitmask> ugh, 23 cases in my state so far
2020-03-11T23:12:43 < PaulFertser> There were no russia-wide rules but in moscow any gatherings of more than 5000 are banned.
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2020-03-11T23:15:27 < bitmask> oh damn, 2 in my county, thought it was all north of my state
2020-03-11T23:16:14 < specing> > russia
2020-03-11T23:16:22 < specing> > 1 km inter-person safety distance
2020-03-11T23:16:24 < oz4ga> bitmask: ur doomed 2
2020-03-11T23:16:29 < bitmask> hah sure
2020-03-11T23:16:52 < BrainDamage> specing: except moscow has one of the highest density population in the world
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2020-03-11T23:17:58 < BrainDamage> population/area is not as representative as population/(sum of city areas)
2020-03-11T23:19:51 < specing> BrainDamage: not when putin orders everyone to work the fields for the empire
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2020-03-11T23:20:38 < PaulFertser> specing: he doesn't. They sell oil, so no fields needed.
2020-03-11T23:21:26 < oz4ga> with a bit of luck he will sit till 2036 alone
2020-03-11T23:22:03 < specing> PaulFertser: oil fields!
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2020-03-11T23:22:46 < oz4ga> oil and gas
2020-03-11T23:23:43 < PaulFertser> specing: and btw, russia is not an empire since long
2020-03-11T23:24:10 < PaulFertser> specing: I guess we're still far from being like pakistan though.
2020-03-11T23:24:11 < oz4ga> PaulFertser: No its amob
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2020-03-11T23:27:53 < kakimir> I ate the emergency waffless
2020-03-11T23:28:28 < Steffanx> all of em?
2020-03-11T23:28:34 < kakimir> yes
2020-03-11T23:28:42 < Steffanx> 36 waffles in a week or 2? DAMN
2020-03-11T23:28:48 < kakimir> yes
2020-03-11T23:28:51 < Steffanx> Good bye kakimir, welcome diabetus
2020-03-11T23:31:03  * Laurenceb is getting confused by flags
2020-03-11T23:31:15 < Laurenceb> the flapping frequency decreases further from the pole
2020-03-11T23:31:21 < Laurenceb> also the amplitude increases
2020-03-11T23:31:29 < Steffanx> Laurenceb:  doing Vexillology?
2020-03-11T23:31:40 < Laurenceb> maybe
2020-03-11T23:32:29 < Laurenceb> near the pole the Strouhal number seems to be sort of valid from the flag I'm watching atm
2020-03-11T23:32:48 < Laurenceb> but wtf happens towards the tip of the flag ...
2020-03-11T23:36:48 < qyx> https://i.imgur.com/bnMYpOW.png
2020-03-11T23:36:53 < qyx> only a single pin has left
2020-03-11T23:37:25 < qyx> strouhal sounds czech
2020-03-11T23:42:10 < Laurenceb> https://spectrum.library.concordia.ca/981633/1/wind.pdf
2020-03-11T23:42:13 < Laurenceb> sheeeet
2020-03-11T23:42:15 < Laurenceb> literally
2020-03-11T23:42:26 < Laurenceb> >vortex shedding at the trailing edge
2020-03-11T23:42:31 < Laurenceb> suddenly it all makes sense
2020-03-11T23:43:49 < doomba> qyx: 220R is a ferrite bead with part number 220R or is it 220 ohms reactance?
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2020-03-11T23:47:09 < Laurenceb> send ur energy to based weinersteiner in his battle against the thot menace
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2020-03-11T23:48:55 < Laurenceb> this flag shit is seriously hard to model it seems
2020-03-11T23:50:32 < Laurenceb> looks like nobody could model flags properly pre cfd in fact
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2020-03-12T00:05:13 < Laurenceb> >Weinstein didn't go MGTOW
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2020-03-12T00:18:57 < tomeaton17> didn't go Men Go okay makes sense
2020-03-12T00:19:55 < BrainDamage> what the hell does that akronym even mean?
2020-03-12T00:22:34 < tomeaton17> men going their own way
2020-03-12T00:23:01 < tomeaton17> very based and redpilled
2020-03-12T00:23:12 < specing> MGTOW = voluntary celibacy
2020-03-12T00:23:21 < qyx> doomba: 220R is 220R reactance at 100MHz, asi usually stated on ferrite beads
2020-03-12T00:23:25 < Laurenceb> no thats volcel
2020-03-12T00:23:37 < Laurenceb> MGTOW allows hookers aiui
2020-03-12T00:23:38 < specing> then what is MGTOW
2020-03-12T00:23:43 < specing> ah, ok
2020-03-12T00:24:16 < doomba> MGTOW = dudes who use the excuse that all women are gold diggers as the reason they can't get laid
2020-03-12T00:24:18 < Laurenceb> Incel, Volcel, and MGTOW, know the difference!
2020-03-12T00:24:29 < doomba> incel = batshit retards
2020-03-12T00:24:39 < tomeaton17> true
2020-03-12T00:24:44 < Laurenceb> incel =  male radfems
2020-03-12T00:25:18 < Laurenceb> >incel literally started as a radfem group
2020-03-12T00:26:01 < Steffanx> Lol. That doesnt make it more clear
2020-03-12T00:26:21 < Steffanx> More of this channerlanguage I dont speak
2020-03-12T00:26:38 < Laurenceb> incel=flyback, volcel=doomba, mgtow=tomeaton17
2020-03-12T00:27:02 < doomba> yea volcel is pretty accurate for me
2020-03-12T00:27:21 < Steffanx> You keep adding more unknown shit Laurenceb  .. radfem?!
2020-03-12T00:27:32 < doomba> i do try to get a fling going with some random fatty when the weather is nice though
2020-03-12T00:27:36 < Laurenceb> radical feminist
2020-03-12T00:27:41 < doomba> <-- no shame
2020-03-12T00:27:49 < doomba> if it has a legit vag, i will bang.
2020-03-12T00:28:02 < doomba> i.e. born with it
2020-03-12T00:28:07 < Steffanx> Sexy.
2020-03-12T00:28:51 < doomba> was with this crazy snake girl last summer
2020-03-12T00:28:59 < doomba> taller and fatter than me lol
2020-03-12T00:29:05 < doomba> and had like 50 snakes in her house
2020-03-12T00:29:25 < jadew> 51, counting yours
2020-03-12T00:29:41 < Laurenceb> lmao
2020-03-12T00:29:49 < doomba> she works at walmart
2020-03-12T00:30:15 < doomba> walmart is a great place to meet women
2020-03-12T00:30:21 < Steffanx> Uhn
2020-03-12T00:30:25 < Steffanx> M
2020-03-12T00:30:25 < specing> jadew: lol
2020-03-12T00:30:26 < Laurenceb> >insert people of walmart link here
2020-03-12T00:30:37 < Steffanx> People at Walmart.com?
2020-03-12T00:30:40 < doomba> yes
2020-03-12T00:30:44 < Steffanx> Or whatever that website was
2020-03-12T00:30:48 < doomba> people of walmart need love too
2020-03-12T00:31:01 < Laurenceb> in uk walmart is called asda
2020-03-12T00:31:04 < Laurenceb> its just as bad
2020-03-12T00:31:20 < Steffanx> I heard 7-11 is great
2020-03-12T00:31:48 < doomba> though it really sucks being single in your 30's where i live
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2020-03-12T00:31:50 < Laurenceb> sheet I just got a letter from nhs
2020-03-12T00:32:00 < doomba> there isn't much to choose from unless you REALLY lower your standards
2020-03-12T00:32:01 < Laurenceb> >I need MMR vaccine
2020-03-12T00:32:08 < Laurenceb> I never had it
2020-03-12T00:32:21 < Laurenceb> imagine how autistic I will be after the vaccine
2020-03-12T00:32:55 < jadew> doomba, if you choose that direction, sure
2020-03-12T00:33:02 < jadew> but you could increase your standards instead
2020-03-12T00:33:13 < jadew> and you'd end up with newly single 20 year olds
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2020-03-12T00:33:23 < jadew> super hot and ready at any time
2020-03-12T00:34:07 < Laurenceb> inb4 "rape" accusations
2020-03-12T00:34:21 < Laurenceb> >insert accused.blog link here
2020-03-12T00:34:29 < doomba> jadew: i'm not into younger women tho
2020-03-12T00:34:47 < Laurenceb>  /nick Chris_Hanson
2020-03-12T00:35:03 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb: im not mgtow
2020-03-12T00:35:10 < tomeaton17> i have a girlfriend
2020-03-12T00:35:55 < tomeaton17> but i am anti feminazi
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2020-03-12T00:36:04 < jadew> I have to declare how much trash I produced last year, I think this is the last month when I can do that (if it wasn't February), but I don't want to go there because of ncov
2020-03-12T00:36:18 < Laurenceb> https://www.accused.blog/2012/12/ellie-sends-crazy-text-messages.html
2020-03-12T00:36:24 < Laurenceb> ^this never gets old
2020-03-12T00:36:35 < jadew> I'll have to call them tomorrow and see what other options I have and how much the fine is
2020-03-12T00:36:39 < doomba> i think i'm gonna bang the 300lb chick at the liquor store
2020-03-12T00:36:46 < Laurenceb> he kind of deserved everything he got because he was so retarded tbh
2020-03-12T00:36:53 < doomba> this morning i told her a stupid chuck norris joke
2020-03-12T00:36:56 < Laurenceb> at least he left us the blog for epic lulz
2020-03-12T00:37:01 < doomba> to get me planted into her brain a lil
2020-03-12T00:37:45 < Laurenceb> >I was still on my sofa, only having just discovered that my date was a prostitute 10 minutes before when a long text message arrived on my phone.
2020-03-12T00:37:55 < Laurenceb> sides status: already orbital
2020-03-12T00:38:08 < qyx> jadew: submit the thing electronically?
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2020-03-12T00:39:24 < Laurenceb> >I am of sound mind
2020-03-12T00:39:26 < jadew> qyx, I hope it's possible
2020-03-12T00:39:28 < Laurenceb> doubt.jpg
2020-03-12T00:39:49 < jadew> these green shit protection people agencies are a huge PITA to deal with
2020-03-12T00:40:14 < jadew> when I started my company I had to find out if I need a permit so I wrote to them
2020-03-12T00:40:34 < qyx> re pcie obsession #5: aisler ENIG gold is good for about ~10 insertions into the PCIe slot
2020-03-12T00:40:49 < jadew> several months later I ended up there (with other matters) and they were like "oh right, we have your answer right here"
2020-03-12T00:40:53 < jadew> it was printed on a piece of paper
2020-03-12T00:41:05  * Laurenceb is planning to start a company
2020-03-12T00:41:08 < jadew> they didn't bother to mail it back, or announce me that they have given me an answer
2020-03-12T00:41:17 < Laurenceb> need to get a PO box first, so stalkers cant find me
2020-03-12T00:43:12 < qyx> pro traces https://i.imgur.com/FBcSgO4.png
2020-03-12T00:43:20 < qyx> it took quite a long time to kicad them
2020-03-12T00:43:41 < BrainDamage> here the trash wagons have scales on them, as well as the recycling platform has a scale where you enter and one where you exit
2020-03-12T00:43:48 < BrainDamage> and you're autommatically billed
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2020-03-12T01:01:19 < jadew> BrainDamage, that could easily be done here, but then you would kill bureaucracy
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2020-03-12T01:03:34 < Steffanx> So how do you know how much you produced jadew?
2020-03-12T01:03:49 < Steffanx> Tell them it was 1gram and be done with it?
2020-03-12T01:04:00 < jadew> Steffanx, I don't, everyone pulls a number out of their ass
2020-03-12T01:04:13 < jadew> it's usually 1 cubic meter of trash per month
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2020-03-12T01:04:53 < Steffanx> Where I live you just pay for a emptied container. No matter how much was in there
2020-03-12T01:05:00 < jadew> it's a perfect example of stupid regulations made by idiots
2020-03-12T01:05:17 < jadew> yeah, this is not for payment, the payment was done
2020-03-12T01:05:23 < jadew> I have to report how much trash I have produced
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2020-03-12T01:05:35 < jadew> like anyone is weighing their own trash before taking it out
2020-03-12T01:05:47 < Steffanx> Hm lol
2020-03-12T01:08:13 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/2Z7D482.mp4
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2020-03-12T01:11:13 < doomba> jadew: it's fine. the UV from the sun will disinfect pretty quickly. and you get the same amount of carcinogens from residues leftover that you would in the food that is placed on them
2020-03-12T01:12:45 < doomba> i'd eat off those plates before i ate off a a plate at Denny's in USA
2020-03-12T01:13:04 < doomba> here they don't even wash them because the dishwasher too busy on FB
2020-03-12T01:13:22 < tomeaton17> my lecturer makes us draw all circuit diagrams by hand in reports apparently that stops people from cheating??
2020-03-12T01:13:46 < jadew> I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that plates at Denny's have less shit on them than the ones in the video
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2020-03-12T01:15:26 < doomba> i donno. i've been to denny's where the plates smell like baby wipes
2020-03-12T01:16:40 < specing> kek
2020-03-12T01:16:45 < Thorn> >If a morgue worker dies they'd still need to come in to work one more time
2020-03-12T01:17:39 < tomeaton17> do people still use schematic stencils
2020-03-12T01:18:16 < jadew> I know someone who still does the routing by hand
2020-03-12T01:18:20 < jadew> on paper!
2020-03-12T01:19:21 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/MI7ttUW.jpeg
2020-03-12T01:19:53 < tomeaton17> Damn they must be old
2020-03-12T01:20:18 < tomeaton17> I think I might buy one i'm not drawing 20 trannies with a ruler
2020-03-12T01:21:28 < BrainDamage> do you have to use a ruler in exams too?
2020-03-12T01:23:43 < tomeaton17> BrainDamage: no they dont care really but they prefer it
2020-03-12T01:26:30 < BrainDamage> in nearly all exams I had, you wouldn't have time to draw carefully with a ruler
2020-03-12T01:41:42 < aandrew> jadew: why have you not engineered a solution for that
2020-03-12T01:41:57 < aandrew> PCB with a single coil etched on it, metal plate on top with springs on the edges
2020-03-12T01:42:17 < aandrew> make a simple LC osc, feed it to a F-V converter
2020-03-12T01:42:23 < aandrew> put trash can on, that freq is 0kg
2020-03-12T01:42:54 < aandrew> put 20kg (or whatever) in the bin, mark that as 20kg. repeat every couple kg or whatver resolution you want
2020-03-12T01:43:15 < aandrew> now you have easily weighed garbage. IoT the shit out of it and it's automated reporting for your bureaucracy
2020-03-12T01:43:56 < qyx> idk if you know
2020-03-12T01:44:03 < qyx> there are things called strain gauges
2020-03-12T01:44:10 < qyx> </troll>
2020-03-12T01:44:13 < aandrew> qyx: why bother
2020-03-12T01:44:35 < qyx> IoT the shit out of it
2020-03-12T01:44:35 < qyx> lol
2020-03-12T01:45:48 < aandrew> if you used three arduinos and an rpi I bet you could get some serious funding before your Trashero IPO
2020-03-12T01:48:36 < specing> Lol
2020-03-12T01:49:06 < specing> ##stm32 really is THE startup incubator
2020-03-12T01:57:22 < Laurenceb> >three arduinos and a rpi
2020-03-12T01:57:28 < Laurenceb> #startupincubator
2020-03-12T01:58:12 < Laurenceb> I'm a gunna launch muh stratosolar clone startup....
2020-03-12T01:58:32 < Laurenceb> soon as I can work out under what conditions a blimp self destructs due to flag style flapping...
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2020-03-12T01:58:57 < specing> Laurenceb: your sides are intergalactic by now?
2020-03-12T01:59:04 < Laurenceb> yes
2020-03-12T01:59:10 < specing> Good
2020-03-12T01:59:11 < specing> :D
2020-03-12T01:59:13 < Laurenceb> >muh blimp sides are flapping
2020-03-12T01:59:23 < Laurenceb> but thats probably a bad thing
2020-03-12T01:59:42 < Laurenceb> holy shit I worked it all out
2020-03-12T01:59:58 < Laurenceb> >triangular solar cell hoisted by three blimpfs
2020-03-12T02:00:05 < Laurenceb> IPO here we come
2020-03-12T02:00:58 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/drumpfisfinished/comments/8wlnl7/drumpfman_is_immature_baby_xd/
2020-03-12T02:02:26 < BrainDamage> when I did the startup competition, one of the projects in competition was an iot trash compactor
2020-03-12T02:02:55 < BrainDamage> the compactor not only reduced volume, but also weighted the trash, and called THEIR OWN PROPRIETARY TRASH COLLECTORS
2020-03-12T02:03:11 < Laurenceb> win
2020-03-12T02:03:21 < BrainDamage> the evaluation was not excited about the bins per se, rather than the service
2020-03-12T02:03:32 < Laurenceb> ok I fail
2020-03-12T02:03:47 < Laurenceb> if blimp internal pressure is > local dynamic pressure, no flapping
2020-03-12T02:03:49 < Laurenceb> simples
2020-03-12T02:03:49 < BrainDamage> the hot startup keyword is selling a service because you can guarantee yourself continous revenue
2020-03-12T02:10:11 < Laurenceb> yeah
2020-03-12T02:19:47 < tomeaton17> I don't really have to draw circuits in exams anymore
2020-03-12T02:19:58 < Laurenceb> hmm I think I worked out how to avoid flapping sides
2020-03-12T02:20:22 < Laurenceb> just two sheets of plastic film (PET/BOPP etc) with polystyrene spaces 
2020-03-12T02:20:26 < Laurenceb> *spacers
2020-03-12T02:21:44 < Laurenceb> if the whole thing is under some tension but isnt a pressurised shell that looks like it would stop flapping
2020-03-12T02:22:38 < Laurenceb> U<rho_air/(rho_wall_area_density^1.5)*sqrt(wall_flexural_stiffness)
2020-03-12T02:22:58 < Laurenceb> where U is critical airspeed at which the wall starts flapping 
2020-03-12T02:23:45 < Laurenceb> so even a tiny bit of stiffness in the form of spaced plastic films solves the problem
2020-03-12T02:23:57 < Laurenceb> I'm tempted to try a demo with plastic bags
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2020-03-12T02:24:50 < Laurenceb> tricky bit is that it has to be under constant tension for this design to work
2020-03-12T02:27:06 < Laurenceb> spinoff idea: a flag that doesnt flap
2020-03-12T02:30:50 < BrainDamage> trivially done with a rigid frame
2020-03-12T02:31:17 < Laurenceb> yeah its kind of useless
2020-03-12T02:31:29 < Laurenceb> more useful for a blimp where it needs to be light
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2020-03-12T02:32:08 < Laurenceb> a flag would need a frame anyway to keep the membrane under tension, doh
2020-03-12T02:32:44 < Laurenceb> hmm I wonder if this is a problem with parafoils
2020-03-12T02:33:09 < BrainDamage> not sure where you're considering flapping, is it the lateral fins in the blimp?
2020-03-12T02:33:13 < BrainDamage> or the tail fins?
2020-03-12T02:33:43 < Laurenceb> on the tail fins and on horizontal planar solar panels
2020-03-12T02:34:35 < Laurenceb> was an idea for a stratosolar design: large blimp tethered in stratosphere with horizontal panels suspended below
2020-03-12T02:34:58 < Laurenceb> maybe a circular hoop with tension membrane in the middle, like a trampoline
2020-03-12T02:35:07 < Laurenceb> then panels mounted to the membrane
2020-03-12T02:35:53 < Laurenceb> my original design was a flying saucer type inflatable thing, but it had a quite high drag coefficient and would be hard to build
2020-03-12T02:35:59 < tomeaton17> https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300628?from=timeline&isappinstalled=0&fbclid=IwAR0yorUDNFr2N7lyO-rbeYCaFKD7jaJj6zxMT8RLF8XdBDa1bavQvFB1esc sign it pls
2020-03-12T02:36:05 < BrainDamage> can't you just add a square or cylindrical support structure to the tail fins?
2020-03-12T02:36:24 < Laurenceb> yeah the tail fins can probably be dealt with
2020-03-12T02:36:46 < BrainDamage> you only need to fix the tips
2020-03-12T02:36:47 < Laurenceb> a thin flexible panel might start vibrating tho, that could trash it
2020-03-12T02:37:00 < BrainDamage> because you have one side attached to the blimp
2020-03-12T02:37:23 < Laurenceb> even if the panel edge is a rigid hoop, I think similar dynamics to flapping flag apply in the middle
2020-03-12T02:37:26 < BrainDamage> so side + tip is a sufficient degrees of freedom lock to keep it in tension
2020-03-12T02:37:40 < BrainDamage> yeah panel would need a grid mesh
2020-03-12T02:38:11 < Laurenceb> I should build some prototypes, only needs plastic bags and cardboard + wind lol
2020-03-12T02:39:01 < BrainDamage> a couple of desk fans should give you plenty of turbolence
2020-03-12T02:39:01 < Laurenceb> if it can be made to work I could build a 5kW prototype with ~3k$ of kit from alibaba
2020-03-12T02:39:48 < BrainDamage> put one in front one on the back, ala hemholtz coils
2020-03-12T02:39:55 < BrainDamage> that should give you a consistent flux
2020-03-12T02:40:07 < Laurenceb> I was always confused how advertising blimps near my house stay up in really nasty weather with ~10 degree off vertical tether
2020-03-12T02:40:08 < BrainDamage> not laminar, but good enough for ghetto
2020-03-12T02:40:26 < Laurenceb> then I realise they are rigged to generate ~10 degree angle of attack and act like a kite
2020-03-12T02:40:52 < Laurenceb> that works very nicely for low altitude stuff and you can fit a thick and strong tether line
2020-03-12T02:41:21 < kakimir> you have blimps for advertising?
2020-03-12T02:41:30 < Laurenceb> yeah they are really common
2020-03-12T02:41:38 < Laurenceb> round nottingham anyway
2020-03-12T02:41:45 < Laurenceb> b& in some places
2020-03-12T02:41:46 < kakimir> I have never even seen a blimp
2020-03-12T02:41:48 < englishman> flights sure are cheap rn
2020-03-12T02:42:16 < englishman> I know a blimp pilot kakimir
2020-03-12T02:42:29 < englishman> he says it was boring as fuck
2020-03-12T02:42:37 < kakimir> no shit
2020-03-12T02:42:43 < Thorn> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES0pfkWXYAA1ro9?format=jpg&name=large
2020-03-12T02:43:24 < Laurenceb> https://moretimespace.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/farageballoonbylblack.jpg
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2020-03-12T02:44:28 < Laurenceb>  10m advertising blimps are <$1k on alibaba
2020-03-12T02:45:08 < BrainDamage> strap bombs to them
2020-03-12T02:45:14 < BrainDamage> cheaper than quadcopter
2020-03-12T02:45:26 < BrainDamage> only need a release mechanism
2020-03-12T02:45:31 < Laurenceb> shhhh
2020-03-12T02:45:45 < Laurenceb> now you alerted the CIA to the true purpose of my "business"
2020-03-12T02:47:24 < Laurenceb> seeing as they are so cheap, weather resistant, and easy to get permission for, every house could have a low altitude solar blimp lol
2020-03-12T02:49:52 < Laurenceb>  /s
2020-03-12T02:50:13 < Laurenceb> thats the half backed, makani power tier implementation of the idea
2020-03-12T02:50:55 < Laurenceb> https://www.abcinflatables.co.uk/product/site-marking-blimps/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIq_bU7NuT6AIVSPhRCh22NQcQEAAYAyAAEgICO_D_BwE
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2020-03-12T02:56:34 < Laurenceb> oh wow
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2020-03-12T02:56:58 < jly> are you still awake blxtr?
2020-03-12T02:57:00 < Laurenceb> >COVID-19 will lead to self isolation, which will put women a risk of domestic violence and death
2020-03-12T02:57:06 < Laurenceb> I've heard it all now
2020-03-12T02:57:12 < Laurenceb> *at
2020-03-12T02:57:15 < jly> hahahahahahaha
2020-03-12T02:57:23 < jly> yeah anywhere they can fit in their narrative
2020-03-12T02:57:52  * Laurenceb is watching PMs question time
2020-03-12T02:58:02 < jly> which country?
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2020-03-12T02:58:19 < Laurenceb> each time Boris says "level up", I think of law and order: special victims unit
2020-03-12T02:58:22 < Laurenceb> UK of course
2020-03-12T02:58:27 < jly> ah nice
2020-03-12T02:58:31 < jly> so are we all going to die?
2020-03-12T02:58:47 < Laurenceb> probably
2020-03-12T02:58:55 < jly> just need to know, before I die a 2 week anime binge is needed
2020-03-12T03:02:24 < Laurenceb> in response to Coronavirus, I'm planning to raep
2020-03-12T03:02:31 < Laurenceb> because the patriarchy
2020-03-12T03:03:34 < jly> good idea
2020-03-12T03:05:05 < Laurenceb> on 8chan, we have "nightshift", when things become exceptionally deranged
2020-03-12T03:05:11 < Laurenceb> I think irc is kind of similar
2020-03-12T03:05:51 < Laurenceb> usually elaborate stories involving crabs, propane, and sea lions
2020-03-12T03:06:33 < Laurenceb> shitposts are compulsory, but they have to involve one or more troll topics
2020-03-12T03:07:21 < Laurenceb> once a critical shipost mass is reached, its time to raid mumsnet with copypastas
2020-03-12T03:08:56 < Laurenceb> d e s i g n a t e d troll topics
2020-03-12T03:14:19 < jly> i thought 8chan exploded
2020-03-12T03:14:38 < Laurenceb> 8kun
2020-03-12T03:15:09 < Laurenceb>  britfeel
2020-03-12T03:16:24 < jly> not surer what britfeel means
2020-03-12T03:16:34 < Laurenceb> british feelings
2020-03-12T03:16:46 < Laurenceb> once we got raided by mumsnet, that was extra lulzy
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2020-03-12T03:17:07 < Laurenceb> they were shitposting us with tendies memes and stuff
2020-03-12T03:18:06 < jly> thinking I need to purchase a dictionary 
2020-03-12T03:19:20 < jly> Mumsnet makes parents' lives easier by pooling knowledge, advice and support on everything from conception to childbirth, from babies to teenagers.
2020-03-12T03:21:11 < Laurenceb> what it actually is: bored mums trollin incels
2020-03-12T03:21:13 < jly> Laurenceb: will prince andrew and assange be delivered in the same box
2020-03-12T03:21:26 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-12T03:21:42 < jly> i'd love to see a prince andrew polygraph teste
2020-03-12T03:21:49 < jly> it'd blow up the machine
2020-03-12T03:29:24 < englishman> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/business/media/tom-hanks-coronavirus.html
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2020-03-12T03:29:55 < englishman> <dommbba> but rich people cant get coronavirus
2020-03-12T03:31:03 < jly> ty
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2020-03-12T03:31:26 < jly> i have the bug too
2020-03-12T03:32:32 < englishman> Laurenceb: tesla now more valuable than boeing
2020-03-12T03:32:33 < jly> he got it from me in australia
2020-03-12T03:32:42 < jly> i like that englishman 
2020-03-12T03:33:34 < Thorn> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/business/media/tom-hanks-coronavirus.html
2020-03-12T03:33:48 < englishman> hi thonr
2020-03-12T03:34:03 < englishman> sad to hear your irc scroll is only 8 lines
2020-03-12T03:34:13 < englishman> maybe time to upgrade from that 80x60 monitor
2020-03-12T03:34:44 < jly> also https://youtu.be/uGtWxq7aH9Q?t=50
2020-03-12T03:34:54 < jly> this is an important video
2020-03-12T03:35:40 < Thorn> •  U.S. WILL SUSPEND ALL TRAVEL FROM EUROPE TO U.S. FOR NEXT 30 DAYS EFFECTIVE FRIDAY AT MIDNIGHT
2020-03-12T03:35:40 < Thorn> •  TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS WILL NOT APPLY TO UK
2020-03-12T03:36:15 < englishman> redundant statements
2020-03-12T03:36:23 < jly> the whole thing is blown
2020-03-12T03:36:29 < englishman> NBA cancelled
2020-03-12T03:37:54 < jly> good
2020-03-12T03:39:11 < englishman> is the cat store quarantined
2020-03-12T03:39:53 < jly> mrkn went missing 2 days ago
2020-03-12T03:40:22 < jly> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/uHMZ1Ggm/mrkn.JPG
2020-03-12T03:41:40 < englishman> oh NO
2020-03-12T03:41:42 < englishman> now that's news
2020-03-12T03:42:02 < jly> :[
2020-03-12T03:42:16 < jly> i checked all the bins near the local chinese restaurant 
2020-03-12T03:42:21 < jly> nothing
2020-03-12T03:42:31 < jly> mrkn has the microchip too, nothing yet
2020-03-12T03:43:33 < englishman> :(((((
2020-03-12T03:45:32 < jly> :[
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2020-03-12T04:06:55 < Thorn> holy fuck, mosqitos
2020-03-12T04:07:00 < Thorn> >March 12
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2020-03-12T04:17:26 < friendofafriend> Had them in Feb, during a warm up.
2020-03-12T04:28:04 < Laurenceb>  #freeweinersteiner
2020-03-12T04:28:11 < Laurenceb> btfo the thots
2020-03-12T04:35:19 < friendofafriend> “I will say that although this is a first conviction, it is not a first offense,” Burke told Weinstein [...] before
2020-03-12T04:35:28 < friendofafriend> ... he sentenced him to 20 years in prison.  HOW THE HELL CAN YOU SAY THAT?!
2020-03-12T04:37:01 < Laurenceb> lol its already trending
2020-03-12T04:37:39 < friendofafriend> That's so bonkers to say during sentencing, couldn't get better appeal grounds if you paid.
2020-03-12T04:38:07 < Laurenceb> Stop trading pussy for fame and changing your story to rape, your all over paid hookers at the end of the day be happy you woke up just because it was without your dignity you made that call to trade it
2020-03-12T04:38:09 < Laurenceb> based
2020-03-12T04:40:13 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhxIHvcpaNI RIP zyp
2020-03-12T04:40:48 < friendofafriend> All the starlets give it up to weird sewer monsters.  This has been a fun learning experience.
2020-03-12T04:49:00 < Laurenceb> lol this hashtag is based
2020-03-12T04:53:18 < friendofafriend> They just cancelled the whole NWA season.
2020-03-12T04:53:30 < friendofafriend> Oops, NBA**.
2020-03-12T04:53:33 < Laurenceb> oh noes not the sportsball
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2020-03-12T05:21:12 < Cracki> shitposting you say
2020-03-12T05:22:28 < Cracki> firefighters. supermajority of white males. nobody shrieks about there being too few foreigners or too few women.
2020-03-12T05:24:24 < friendofafriend> Shut up and die on the job, bigot.
2020-03-12T05:25:22 < friendofafriend> What's it, timber, fishing, underwater welding?  Being an oinker driving a gumball machine is pretty safe.
2020-03-12T05:30:35 < zyp> dongs, the fuck do I want to go to US for
2020-03-12T05:31:09 < zyp> dongs, also, how does this tracking number you sent me work? where do I track it
2020-03-12T05:38:27 < Thorn> https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/italy-doctors-coronavirus-covid-19-quarantine-milan-health/
2020-03-12T05:39:04 < Cracki> I heard putin is now emperor for life
2020-03-12T05:39:56 < Thorn> the crown will be provided by the coronavirus
2020-03-12T05:39:58 < Cracki> >There are a lot of young people in our Intensive Care Units (ICUs) - our youngest is a 38-year-old 
2020-03-12T05:40:15 < Thorn> Trump is probably infected already btw
2020-03-12T05:40:59 < Cracki> I'm relieved if the youngest is 38 because  the secound youngest is probably 5-10 years older than that
2020-03-12T05:41:30 < Thorn> >I mean even 20-year-olds with no underlying conditions, in need of assisted breathing because of horrible pneumonia.
2020-03-12T05:42:30 < englishman> the ultimate vape
2020-03-12T05:42:46 < Cracki> I question the translation. "you have no idea" sounds like an easy to grasp idiom but it may have meant "nobody knows"
2020-03-12T05:43:51 < Cracki> i guess the 0.2% dying under 50 from this have to come from somewhere
2020-03-12T05:44:13 < Cracki> 0.2% chance*
2020-03-12T05:45:11 < specing> coronavirus tried to infect trump, but decided its too much and quit on the second day of job
2020-03-12T05:45:48 < englishman> discount toilet paper found to be the source of coronavirus
2020-03-12T05:51:37 < Thorn> btw how many people in a city like Milan would use public transportation vs. cars to commute to work?
2020-03-12T05:54:50 < specing> probably not that many
2020-03-12T05:55:15 < specing> its mostly students, schoolchildren and pensioners that use public transport
2020-03-12T05:55:46 < specing> at least in my city, we border italy
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2020-03-12T06:23:27 < bitmask> anyone use a b3606 power supply?  I needed something quick and cheap that can do CV/CC and go down to 0V, doesnt seem bad for $14
2020-03-12T06:24:05 < bitmask> guess I should call it a buck module
2020-03-12T06:27:11 < specing> a buck for a buck
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2020-03-12T06:40:45 < Cracki> that thing has variable voltage and current limits?
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2020-03-12T06:48:34 < bitmask> yup
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2020-03-12T08:56:25 < PaulFertser> Not many offers for b3606. Plenty for b3603 though.
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2020-03-12T09:07:57 < antto> *cough* corizzle vizzle *cough*
2020-03-12T09:08:39 < antto> *cough* *cough* .... *cough* *cough* *cough* *COUGHHHH*
2020-03-12T09:09:28 < antto> <panic_intensifies.jpg>
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2020-03-12T09:48:38 < jpa-> i wonder if DHL is scared of my china package, they've been bouncing it around for a week now
2020-03-12T09:48:49 < jpa-> i always get text message "We'll deliver this today!" and no-one shows up
2020-03-12T09:50:58 < Steffanx> I'm scared of you too
2020-03-12T09:51:22 < jpa-> :|
2020-03-12T09:51:41 < jpa-> i have just a cough, not corona!
2020-03-12T09:52:19 < PaulFertser> You can't tell without RP-PCR
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2020-03-12T09:52:46 < PaulFertser> RT-PCR
2020-03-12T09:54:11 < jadew> I also have a cough
2020-03-12T09:55:41 < PaulFertser> I’ve got a bike, you can ride it if you like I’d give it to you if I could, but I borrowed it
2020-03-12T09:57:49 < jly> good old sid 
2020-03-12T09:58:02 < jly> or is it syd
2020-03-12T09:58:14 < Spirit532> hey look
2020-03-12T09:58:15 < Spirit532> https://github.com/Spirit532/ILI9163C_STM32_HAL_DMA
2020-03-12T09:58:24 < Spirit532> I wrote a bad display lib that pushes 30fps at 40mhz spi
2020-03-12T09:58:40 < Spirit532> I'm ready for criticism
2020-03-12T09:59:41 < jpa-> Spirit532: looks like you are just waiting while the DMA runs, you could be drawing the next frame or something instead
2020-03-12T09:59:53 < Spirit532> it's blocking on purpose
2020-03-12T10:00:08 < jpa-> what's the purpose?
2020-03-12T10:00:14 < Spirit532> running too fast
2020-03-12T10:00:15 < Spirit532> D:
2020-03-12T10:00:43 < Spirit532> if the cpu begins a new frame before the previous is sent, fucky business can occur
2020-03-12T10:00:47 < jpa-> "If you see some of your code in this library, let me know and I will credit you."     haha :D
2020-03-12T10:00:50 < Spirit532> if there's sufficient load the line can be commented out
2020-03-12T10:01:18 < jpa-> Spirit532: yeah, usually you'd use double buffering for that, draw to new buffer while sending previous
2020-03-12T10:01:32 < Spirit532> but that *would* end up killing this big chip
2020-03-12T10:01:43 < Spirit532> as if 50kb of hogged ram wasn't enough
2020-03-12T10:01:43 < Spirit532> lol
2020-03-12T10:02:00 < jpa-> though you can also do rolling refresh kind of thing, in the draw functions if lowest point you are going to draw at is line Y, wait only until DMA has written up to line Y
2020-03-12T10:02:16 < Spirit532> the dma transfer speeds aren't really an issue
2020-03-12T10:02:49 < Spirit532> the display is already running at realtime video speeds, which is total overkill for most applications
2020-03-12T10:03:05 < jpa-> true
2020-03-12T10:03:36 < jpa-> i didn't notice it was so small resolution
2020-03-12T10:03:45 < Spirit532> 160x128 is perfect for a ton of stuff
2020-03-12T10:03:48 < jpa-> sure
2020-03-12T10:03:59 < Spirit532> I wrote this for a status display of a turbomolecular pump(or high speed spindle, whatever you want) controller
2020-03-12T10:04:07 < Spirit532> don't ask why I have a g474 in a tiny motor driver
2020-03-12T10:04:17 < jpa-> why not?
2020-03-12T10:04:21 < Spirit532> dollars
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2020-03-12T10:04:36 < jpa-> probably insignificant difference compared to development time
2020-03-12T10:04:46 < Spirit532> oh yeah I'm feeling that
2020-03-12T10:05:02 < Spirit532> feels like the $2.5 extra I spent on the micro is giving me so much breathing room
2020-03-12T10:06:13 < jpa-> are you doing some kind of BLDC control algorithm on the chip?
2020-03-12T10:06:26  * Spirit532 runs
2020-03-12T10:06:27 < Spirit532> no
2020-03-12T10:06:39 < jpa-> ok
2020-03-12T10:06:41 < Spirit532> well, sort of
2020-03-12T10:06:51 < Spirit532> it's a 4 phase motor, two hall sensors, comparator interrupts
2020-03-12T10:07:33 < Spirit532> the motor runs at 1500Hz, so 6kHz interrupt firing rate
2020-03-12T10:07:58 < Spirit532> somewhat demanding, but not for a chip running at 168MHz with most of the stuff handled deep in hardware
2020-03-12T10:08:03 < jpa-> and just basic 4-step or 8-step control of fets?
2020-03-12T10:08:17 < Spirit532> 4 step
2020-03-12T10:08:20 < jpa-> yeah
2020-03-12T10:08:26 < Spirit532> with TIM generated pwm
2020-03-12T10:08:40 < Spirit532> no shoot-through or anything, just four fets sinking each coil from a common tap
2020-03-12T10:09:28 < jpa-> should be plenty of computation power for vector control also, but that would require current sensors - might reduce vibrations a bit though
2020-03-12T10:09:43 < Spirit532> there are no vibrations on a turbomolecular pump
2020-03-12T10:09:50 < Spirit532> not at running speeds(70-100%)
2020-03-12T10:10:11 < Spirit532> because a turbomolecular pump is a giant rotor spinning at supersonic speeds over most of its area, but in vacuum
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2020-03-12T10:10:30 < Spirit532> hence, 1500Hz - that's 90krpm
2020-03-12T10:10:50 < Spirit532> I also have a current sensor on the fet sinks, but mostly for monitoring, and a little control loop in the future
2020-03-12T10:10:57 < jpa-> well surely the 4-step control introduces some amount of torque jitter - but yeah, probably it's a non-issue because it's designed to work with it
2020-03-12T10:11:08 < Spirit532> there's basically none, the rotor inertia is gigantic
2020-03-12T10:11:18 < Spirit532> it takes a good second to kick it over using one of the coils
2020-03-12T10:11:24 < jpa-> heh :)
2020-03-12T10:11:43 < Spirit532> mostly because the motor sits in vacuum too, and there's nowhere to sink the heat
2020-03-12T10:13:41 < jpa-> but but, vector control also reduces heat!
2020-03-12T10:13:58 < Spirit532> what is there to vector when the rotor spins at 1500 revolutions per SECOND
2020-03-12T10:14:14 < Spirit532> and the inertia/bearings are so good, basic bang-bang control keeps it within single digit RPM
2020-03-12T10:14:15 < jpa-> the coil current
2020-03-12T10:14:29 < Spirit532> the only time the motor *really* uses a ton of power is when starting up
2020-03-12T10:14:31 < jpa-> any amount of current vector going in wrong direction is just excess heat
2020-03-12T10:14:34 < Spirit532> so the first minute or three
2020-03-12T10:14:38 < jadew> same thing we saw in China: https://youtu.be/eWtWqw_ORDg
2020-03-12T10:14:40 < jpa-> and with 4-step control, you are going up to 45 degrees wrong
2020-03-12T10:14:42 < jadew> now in Iran
2020-03-12T10:14:51 < jpa-> i'm trying to sell vector control to everyone because i find it fascinating :)
2020-03-12T10:14:59 < Spirit532> vector control is very cool
2020-03-12T10:15:03 < Spirit532> but not here
2020-03-12T10:15:15 < jpa-> to be honest, i agree - if it works already, it works
2020-03-12T10:15:26 < Spirit532> you dump the first few watt-minutes into it at startup
2020-03-12T10:15:33 < Spirit532> and then every few... I don't know, seconds?
2020-03-12T10:15:38 < Spirit532> it drops below -1Hz
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2020-03-12T10:15:42 < Spirit532> so you just give it a little blip
2020-03-12T10:16:04 < Spirit532> a turbopump in vacuum, if just left to spin, can take many hours to come down from 90krpm to a standstill
2020-03-12T10:22:47 < Cracki> what bearings do these use
2020-03-12T10:22:55 < Cracki> can't be air, no air in vacuum :P
2020-03-12T10:26:54 < Spirit532> usually a passive magnetic top bearing, and an ultra high speed, thin oil lubricated, deep groove spaced ball bearing on the bottom
2020-03-12T10:27:03 < Spirit532> I have some pics
2020-03-12T10:27:30 < Spirit532> https://i.spirit.re/xoLFa.jpg
2020-03-12T10:27:35 < Spirit532> those two rings are magnets
2020-03-12T10:27:46 < Spirit532> rotor
2020-03-12T10:27:47 < Spirit532> https://i.spirit.re/uCptb.jpg
2020-03-12T10:27:59 < Spirit532> https://i.spirit.re/JNnQ0.jpg
2020-03-12T10:28:00 < Spirit532> bearing
2020-03-12T10:28:20 < Spirit532> (the bearings are not usually filthy and destroyed, obviously)
2020-03-12T10:28:39 < Spirit532> and a safety bearing next to the magnetic bearing
2020-03-12T10:28:41 < Spirit532> https://i.spirit.re/EsGpW.jpg
2020-03-12T10:29:10 < Spirit532> because the mag bearing is elastic, and you don't want things to eat themselves, so in case the top part of the rotor makes contact, it doesn't immediately explode into death
2020-03-12T10:29:50 < Spirit532> the safety bearing on top is super similar to the bottom one in how they look, just a bit bigger and not usually rated for 60krpm(this pump) operation continuous
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2020-03-12T11:35:23 < dongs> how the fuck do I view HID descriptor of something on assdroid
2020-03-12T11:38:43 < jadew> you can't connect it to a PC?
2020-03-12T11:52:03 < dongs> why pc?
2020-03-12T11:52:07 < dongs> how would you do it on a pc
2020-03-12T11:52:11 < dongs> i mean i guess i can dig my laptop out
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2020-03-12T11:53:27 < jadew> dongs, you can dump the descriptor
2020-03-12T11:54:37 < jadew> I think USBLyzer does that
2020-03-12T11:54:45 < jadew> but I remember using some linux command line tool
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2020-03-12T12:01:30 < PaulFertser> lsusb should be able to show full HID descriptor decoded.
2020-03-12T12:02:31 < dongs> what if its a HID descriptor
2020-03-12T12:02:44 < PaulFertser> You might need to temporarily unbind (e.g. by unloading the whole kernel module) "usbhid" from the device.
2020-03-12T12:03:36 < PaulFertser> dongs: hold on, trying on my gear
2020-03-12T12:03:51 < doomba> dongs: hold on dear, trying!
2020-03-12T12:05:57 < dongs> err, what if its a BLE HID descriptor. holy shit im retarded
2020-03-12T12:07:00 < jadew> \ø/ I can submit the trash report online
2020-03-12T12:07:32 < PaulFertser> For the reference, lsusb -v output after unbinding "usbhid": http://paste.debian.net/1134613/
2020-03-12T12:08:21 < PaulFertser> For BLE, no idea yet.
2020-03-12T12:09:53 < PaulFertser> It's apparently called "report map", not "hid descriptor".
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2020-03-12T12:15:34 < PaulFertser> If you run bluetoothd with debug you'll see report map in the log (like in this example: https://01.org/jira/browse/BA-176 )
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2020-03-12T12:16:40 < PaulFertser> If you're after HOG, that is, HID-over-GATT
2020-03-12T12:18:05 < PaulFertser> This is how to enable debug on systemd-based distros: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1420792#c2
2020-03-12T12:22:22 < Cracki> thx Spirit532, very awesome stuff
2020-03-12T12:32:01 < karlp> qyx: so how did you make those trace? you manually drew a pile of overlapping straight lines didn't you?
2020-03-12T12:33:45 < jpa-> could have been that trick with curves on the pcb edges layer :)
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2020-03-12T12:49:24 < Steffanx> Is that kicad4pros?
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2020-03-12T12:54:59 < qyx> karlp: push&shove router and curves on the edge.cuts :)
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2020-03-12T12:55:25 < qyx> the two on the top are just freehand-clicked (unchecked 45deg traces only)
2020-03-12T13:04:23 < karlp> so, you curve on the edge cuts, pns route through the restricted channel, then delete the edge cuts?
2020-03-12T13:04:35 < karlp> retarded to the max, but interesting I guess.
2020-03-12T13:05:18 < jpa-> kicad has a great workflow! ;)
2020-03-12T13:05:36 < karlp> well, just tellyourself you don't need curved traces and it's all fine I guess :)
2020-03-12T13:05:47 < karlp> man, it is a _glorious_ day here today.
2020-03-12T13:06:03 < dongs> autismcad
2020-03-12T13:09:53 < doomba> autism is me putting a 3.3v LDO, microusb, 1.27mm and 2.54mm pin headers on a US quarter sized pcb to make an adapter to break out j-link and provide power to the target
2020-03-12T13:10:15 < dongs> pics or it iddnt happen
2020-03-12T13:10:33 < dongs> also, it might be news to you but
2020-03-12T13:10:38 < dongs> jlink does NOT provide target power
2020-03-12T13:10:47 < doomba> https://i.postimg.cc/GpjVr1nT/IMG-20200311-114654.jpg
2020-03-12T13:10:54 < doomba> jlink provides target power now
2020-03-12T13:10:56 < dongs> the 3.3V VREF pin is for target *voltage* measurement so it can adjust the I/O buffers appropriately
2020-03-12T13:10:58 < doomba> with my autism board
2020-03-12T13:11:31 < dongs> at least thats a legit jlink-edu
2020-03-12T13:11:34 < dongs> and not a chink knockoff
2020-03-12T13:11:39 < dongs> you may live for another day
2020-03-12T13:11:46 < doomba> thanks. fuck you.
2020-03-12T13:12:11  * doomba takes his plate and sits back down with the rest of the peasants
2020-03-12T13:13:22 < qyx> karlp: exactly
2020-03-12T13:14:49 < englishman> noone asked you karlp
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2020-03-12T13:37:30 < karlp> well, it is a lovely day anyway :)
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2020-03-12T13:38:50 < PaulFertser> dongs: legit jlink can provide power via a dedicated pin if you enable it
2020-03-12T13:41:31 < karlp> well czech fucking post have just ruined the entire purpose of having a warehouse in czech
2020-03-12T13:41:49 < karlp> charged me ~20€ handling on a 40€parcel.
2020-03-12T13:42:05 < dongs> PaulFertser: yes, b ut not the pin faggots usually try to send 3V to
2020-03-12T13:42:06 < PaulFertser> Target power supply via pin 19 of the JTAG/SWD interface (up to 300 mA 
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2020-03-12T13:42:09 < dongs> yes
2020-03-12T13:42:22 < dongs> but chink st-dink clones send 3.3V over the vref pin
2020-03-12T13:42:27 < PaulFertser> Not vref pin of course :)
2020-03-12T13:42:29 < dongs> because why the fuck not
2020-03-12T13:42:52 < PaulFertser> And it's 5 V on pin 19.
2020-03-12T13:43:11 < zyp> dongs, where do I check tracking for that tracking number you sent me?
2020-03-12T13:43:20 < dongs> oyu don,.t it was re-sent as DHL
2020-03-12T13:43:22 < dongs> because SF was like $50
2020-03-12T13:43:28 < dongs> i have new tracking i will email
2020-03-12T13:43:42 < zyp> ah
2020-03-12T13:44:37 < dongs> and now you have it
2020-03-12T13:45:19 < zyp> yep
2020-03-12T13:45:23 < zyp> thanks
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2020-03-12T14:12:59 < jadew> anyone here trading stocks in the EU?
2020-03-12T14:13:16 < jadew> I feel like it's a good time for placing some bets
2020-03-12T14:16:58 < veverak> lol
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2020-03-12T14:21:03 < PaulFertser> So dongs have you figured out how to view HOG report map?
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2020-03-12T14:22:51 < dongs> nope, i didnt even know lunix supported bluetooth, let alone BLE 5.0
2020-03-12T14:23:41 < PaulFertser> dongs: apparently it's quite easy to get the report map logged.
2020-03-12T14:24:17 < PaulFertser> dongs: do you imply android is using some fully userspace bluetooth stack, not the Linux upstream?
2020-03-12T14:30:58 < doomba> vishay siliconix!@!@$!@@~#
2020-03-12T14:45:19 < zyp> PaulFertser, I'm not of the impression that android is using bluez, if that's what you're asking
2020-03-12T14:45:28 < zyp> I might be wrong, of course
2020-03-12T14:46:33 < PaulFertser> zyp: there're both kernelspace parts and userspace parts of bluetooth handling, but I'd expect any Linux-based system to use bluez userspace, yes. 
2020-03-12T14:47:51 < zyp> PaulFertser, https://bluez-android.github.io/ suggests otherwise
2020-03-12T14:48:02 < PaulFertser> zyp: thank you.
2020-03-12T14:48:16 < PaulFertser> Android is apparently developed by sick fucks.
2020-03-12T14:48:32 < PaulFertser> I'm glad I'm not using all that shit.
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2020-03-12T14:49:31 < zyp> what shit, and why do you imply bluez is superior?
2020-03-12T14:51:23 < PaulFertser> I prefer free software, so for me bluez is superior by definition. If there's a competing free software stack then I'm sure at least some popular GNU/Linux distros would use it if it was any better than bluez.
2020-03-12T14:55:09 < zyp> last I checked, android is also free software
2020-03-12T14:55:22 < zyp> presumably including the bluetooth stack
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2020-03-12T14:57:32 < PaulFertser> Apparently yes.
2020-03-12T14:58:10 < karlp> i was under the impression that android was using the same as everyone else, then went and used something else, and had recently given up and moved back again.
2020-03-12T14:58:35 < zyp> PaulFertser, by the way, since you're an openocd guy, what should I get if I want some off the shelf generic jtag adapter?
2020-03-12T14:58:42 < karlp> that page you linked zyp is for ancient androids too
2020-03-12T14:58:57 < zyp> which is probably another way to ask «which ftdi chip is better for generic jtag?»
2020-03-12T14:59:05 < zyp> karlp, yes
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2020-03-12T15:00:28 < karlp> well, looks like they've using fluoride now, which is the successor ot bluedroid, so not back to bluez afterall
2020-03-12T15:01:06 < PaulFertser> zyp: I assume you already have jlink, so why bother with ftdi?
2020-03-12T15:02:30 < zyp> I've got a jlink at work, this is for private stuff
2020-03-12T15:03:52 < zyp> also, I'm thinking of fpgas, not mcu
2020-03-12T15:04:01 < zyp> hence generic
2020-03-12T15:04:45 < PaulFertser> zyp: if you were after the cheapest reasonable device I would recommend "TUMPA" v2 because it's also useful for rs232 and uart, and possibly spi and i2c. It push-pulls (not OD) srst though. If you want something well-known and established, Olimex devices are ok.
2020-03-12T15:05:06 < PaulFertser> zyp: you can use jlink to play back SVF the same way you do it with ftdi-based adapters (assuming OpenOCD).
2020-03-12T15:06:26 < zyp> I was thinking more of chips than boards
2020-03-12T15:06:44 < PaulFertser> Aren't all of them FT2232H anyway?
2020-03-12T15:07:05 < PaulFertser> Well, you can do the same with single- or four- channel variants.
2020-03-12T15:07:07 < zyp> are they? if so I guess the answer I'm looking for is ft2232h
2020-03-12T15:07:20 < dongs> zyp, 2232 is pretty good
2020-03-12T15:07:33 < zyp> idk what's good, but something that'd do both uart and jtag at the same time would be good
2020-03-12T15:07:34 < PaulFertser> But for proper operation you want nice high-speed wide-vcc buffer and termination resistors.
2020-03-12T15:08:06 < PaulFertser> So just a 232h breakout board would suck.
2020-03-12T15:08:28 < zyp> fair point, although I'm not planning to do anything other than 3.3V at the moment
2020-03-12T15:11:13 < PaulFertser> iirc it's 3.0 - 3.6 V range if you're not using an additional buffer.
2020-03-12T15:12:31 < dongs> if you want a nice breakout with arm20jtag socket on it and some IO the thing digikey sells for $30
2020-03-12T15:12:34 < dongs> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/particle-industries-inc/PROGSHIELD/1878-1008-ND/7896999
2020-03-12T15:12:56 < dongs> i used this to prog some lcmos2 stuff
2020-03-12T15:13:19 < dongs> LCMX02
2020-03-12T15:13:37 < PaulFertser> dongs: lacking termination resistors?
2020-03-12T15:13:57 < dongs> termi-whats?
2020-03-12T15:14:21 < PaulFertser> Devices to do line impedance matching.
2020-03-12T15:14:33 < dongs> i mean this is bitbanged jtag
2020-03-12T15:14:39 < dongs> what do you need impedance matching for
2020-03-12T15:14:43 < dongs> youre not clocking it at 5ghz
2020-03-12T15:15:10 < PaulFertser> Ringing depends on how sharp the edges are. So you can be bitbanging it 1 kHz and still have issues.
2020-03-12T15:16:35 < dongs> idk, it worked for me
2020-03-12T15:16:47 < dongs> also lattice IDE directly supports FT stuff thinking its their own cable
2020-03-12T15:17:03 < dongs> and FTDI breakout board without jtag socket on it was same price
2020-03-12T15:17:19 < PaulFertser> Also, MPSSE is not literally bitbanging over USB, it allows you to queue long series including input and output.
2020-03-12T15:17:31 < dongs> yeah i am aware, i am just trolling about bitbanging part
2020-03-12T15:18:15 < PaulFertser> Sometimes you can get away without proper line impedance matching, sometimes not. Remember that you're connecting high-drive push-pull CMOS outputs to high-Z CMOS inputs.
2020-03-12T15:20:16 < dongs> https://github.com/particle-iot/shields/tree/master/photon-shields/programmer-shield
2020-03-12T15:20:19 < dongs> huh apparently its opensores
2020-03-12T15:20:30 < PaulFertser> Real EEs please correct and/or expand on this topic.
2020-03-12T15:24:27 < zyp> PaulFertser, also depends on whether your signal lines are long enough to think of as transmission lines
2020-03-12T15:25:21 < PaulFertser> zyp: indeed. And typical 20 cm IDC cable is apparently long enough.
2020-03-12T15:28:03 < karlp> re that business insider piece from braindamage yesterday about testing rates, iceland has done ~2398tests/million. (from yesterday)
2020-03-12T15:30:06 < tomeaton17> Hi
2020-03-12T15:42:13 < englishman> you can always get away with improper impedance matching
2020-03-12T15:42:35 < englishman> especially with opensores crap that never has to be emc'd
2020-03-12T15:42:49 < englishman> https://www.worksonmymachine.pro/
2020-03-12T15:46:12 < PaulFertser> englishman: when ringing is big enough to get detected by the inputs, no, not enough signal integrity for communication.
2020-03-12T15:46:36 < englishman> plz refer to the above link
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2020-03-12T15:53:41 < Laurenceb> https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11262/production/_111224207_1.jpg
2020-03-12T15:53:50 < Laurenceb> this is how i ride
2020-03-12T16:05:57 < cjb__> Possible to unlock protected flash in stm32 devices with anything FOSS?
2020-03-12T16:07:12 < cjb__> (now got the Radiosonde being a target, but its needs that unlock bit cleared before even erase works)
2020-03-12T16:09:18 < cjb__> All the blogz all say "i gave up and used ST-LINK"..
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2020-03-12T16:12:31 < PaulFertser> cjb__: of course it's possible.
2020-03-12T16:13:01 < PaulFertser> cjb__: stm32f1x mass_erase 0
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2020-03-12T16:14:47 < cjb__> stm32x device protected
2020-03-12T16:14:47 < cjb__> stm32x mass erase failed
2020-03-12T16:14:50 < cjb__> (including stm32f1x unlock 0)
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2020-03-12T16:23:15 < cjb__> Hmm. "reset \ halt \ flash protect 0 0 last off" seems to have done the trick, while the 'proper' commands didn't.
2020-03-12T16:35:40 < PaulFertser> Those are different commands for different types of locks.
2020-03-12T16:35:59 < PaulFertser> I wasn't sure about the kind of protection involved.
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2020-03-12T16:43:46 < cjb__> <(^ ^)> Radiosounde reflashed!
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2020-03-12T17:23:34 < qyx> covid update, we have state of emergency, closing borders
2020-03-12T17:24:03 < jadew> just got some info from someone working at the main hospital dealing with this
2020-03-12T17:24:22 < jadew> apparently the main transmission vector is by touch
2020-03-12T17:24:47 < jadew> so getting it on clothes, shoes, and hands obviously
2020-03-12T17:25:50 < jadew> if someone coughs your way you're still dead tho
2020-03-12T17:26:07 < Cracki> touch + mucuous membranes
2020-03-12T17:26:24 < Cracki> nah you aren't. you have to be old or frail to even have a chance at dying
2020-03-12T17:26:30 < zyp> apparently norway is going crazy now, good thing I left when I did
2020-03-12T17:26:43 < Cracki> are they sacrificing their children to moloch?
2020-03-12T17:26:51 < jadew> zyp, looking forward to quarantine when you get back?
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2020-03-12T17:27:33 < dongs> zyp you could just stay in japan anyway
2020-03-12T17:27:34 < zyp> jadew, considering I've been working from home since kid was born, it's not gonna make much practical difference
2020-03-12T17:27:55 < jadew> zyp, right, same here
2020-03-12T17:28:04 < dongs> oh zyp 2.0 is out?
2020-03-12T17:28:26 < zyp> ya, last summer
2020-03-12T17:28:29 < doomba> only if you're using zyp-C
2020-03-12T17:29:29 < zyp> jadew, gonna be fun to see if my return flight still flies and whether I'm allowed across borders
2020-03-12T17:29:56 < Cracki> USB-D will be barrel jack waveguide
2020-03-12T17:30:35 < zyp> but I figure worst case travel insurance will have me covered if I have to stay longer
2020-03-12T17:35:10 < BrainDamage> jadew: you're not dead if you can survive a pneumonia
2020-03-12T17:35:23 < jadew> BrainDamage, yeah
2020-03-12T17:36:26 < jadew> did you guys see Contagion?
2020-03-12T17:36:44 < jadew> it's the same scenario
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2020-03-12T18:02:58 < upgrdman> windows pros: is there a nice one-liner to add a directory to the PATH (permanently, not just for one session)? guessing powershell has someshit for that?
2020-03-12T18:07:03 < Mangy_Dog> forgot its name but yes
2020-03-12T18:07:13 < Mangy_Dog> there is a way to set a global path
2020-03-12T18:07:16 < Mangy_Dog> umm
2020-03-12T18:07:25 < Mangy_Dog> best google :D
2020-03-12T18:09:37 < jpa-> https://superuser.com/questions/390701/how-can-i-permanently-append-an-entry-into-the-systems-path-variable-via-comma
2020-03-12T18:10:01 < Cracki> upgrdman, set -p or pset or setp or something like that
2020-03-12T18:10:20 < Cracki> it's probably in that SO
2020-03-12T18:10:29 < Cracki> setx!
2020-03-12T18:10:59 < jpa-> hm, setx looks interesting indeed
2020-03-12T18:11:10 < Cracki> setx something something PATH=%PATH%;yourthing
2020-03-12T18:11:22 < Cracki> but be careful about path length. it's limited.
2020-03-12T18:11:29 < Cracki> you may break things
2020-03-12T18:11:30 < Mangy_Dog> system path variable that sit...
2020-03-12T18:11:33 < Mangy_Dog> forgot its name :D
2020-03-12T18:11:38 < zyp> I used setx in the dockerfile for that windows buildenv shit I did a couple of weeks ago
2020-03-12T18:12:33 < Cracki> one could look into how various setup generators (msi, nsis, inno, ...) do this. they have those facilities. they may just manipulate registry itself.
2020-03-12T18:13:06 < Cracki> it's also a good idea to check if your path is already in PATH
2020-03-12T18:13:17 < Cracki> remember that paths on windows are case-INsensitive
2020-03-12T18:15:02 < Cracki> i thought of "p" earlier because the `route` command needs -p to make route changes permanent
2020-03-12T18:15:19 < Cracki> related modifier, unrelated operation
2020-03-12T18:19:13 < Laurenceb> https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=15955030&cid=59821642
2020-03-12T18:31:09 < Cracki> when men build a kitchen, it has cat6 outlets
2020-03-12T18:32:23 < Cracki> wats this fortune cookie speech bubble thing on the lower slashdot logo? mine says "Home life as we understand it is no more natural to us than a cage is to a cockatoo." -- George Bernard Shaw  
2020-03-12T18:33:36 < Cracki> chuckled http://motd.ambians.com/quotes.php/name/linux_cookie/toc_id/1-1-5/s/1000
2020-03-12T18:35:46 < BrainDamage> poe is insufficient to run a microwave
2020-03-12T18:37:13 < Simon--> but if you had 48 port poe+ ...
2020-03-12T18:38:02 < Simon--> it would still be a bit short :)
2020-03-12T18:40:13 < Cracki> why though, if it can output a kilowatt or a little less you can run a microwave
2020-03-12T18:40:41 < Cracki> trunking
2020-03-12T18:40:43 < BrainDamage> you'll need ~1.5kW
2020-03-12T18:41:00 < BrainDamage> 1kW is RF power, not input power
2020-03-12T18:41:12 < Cracki> ok, take two switches
2020-03-12T18:41:44 < BrainDamage> yup, that works but at that point it'd be easier to run the mains cable
2020-03-12T18:42:21 < zyp> my kitchen indeed has a cat6 outlet above the microwave
2020-03-12T18:42:41 < Cracki> aliex probably has little microwave modules/parts that draw 50 watts or whatever one poe port can support
2020-03-12T18:42:49 < Cracki> then you make an array and put your pizza on top
2020-03-12T18:42:52 < jpa-> zyp: are you gonna put wifi hotspot there?
2020-03-12T18:43:20 < zyp> jpa-, no, I used to have the ikea zigbee gateway there before I replaced it with another zigbee coordinator
2020-03-12T18:43:26 < Thorn> Boris Johnson live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0chs7bVQ8Y
2020-03-12T18:43:38 < Cracki> will he do a propulsive landing
2020-03-12T18:44:21 < jpa-> zyp: correct frequency atleast :)
2020-03-12T18:44:40 < zyp> jpa-, the gateway sat on top of the cupboard, microwave is in the middle, so there's a 60cm distance
2020-03-12T18:45:17 < jpa-> i guess modern microwaves leak so little that it has no effect
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2020-03-12T18:45:35 < zyp> ref. https://bin.jvnv.net/file/PoGWT.jpg
2020-03-12T18:46:12 < jpa-> that doesn't look like a kitchen at all :D
2020-03-12T18:46:59 < zyp> it was still being assembled at the time
2020-03-12T18:47:01 < jpa-> i've seen some places that have matching microwave & oven & dishwasher like that, always have to open them all to find out which is which
2020-03-12T18:47:19 < zyp> haha
2020-03-12T18:47:53 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/eu8xE.jpg
2020-03-12T18:48:15 < zyp> I mean, that's not different from having to open all the drawers to figure out where the spoons are kept
2020-03-12T18:48:53 < jpa-> the oven hood looks like it should have a TV on it
2020-03-12T18:48:53 < qyx> whats that kitchen for when you are stuck in .jp
2020-03-12T18:49:07 < jpa-> zyp: true
2020-03-12T18:49:26 < jpa-> though of course it should be the second drawer from top
2020-03-12T18:49:45 < qyx> and what is in the first?
2020-03-12T18:49:51 < jpa-> cutting boards
2020-03-12T18:50:20 < zyp> jpa-, which of the second drawers? I've got six second drawers from the top
2020-03-12T18:50:47 < jpa-> madness
2020-03-12T18:50:53 < zyp> why?
2020-03-12T18:51:04 < jpa-> it would exceed my memory capacity ;)
2020-03-12T18:51:35 < zyp> IIRC there's 21 drawers total
2020-03-12T18:52:07 < BrainDamage> I would be afraid scratching that laminate top
2020-03-12T18:52:17 < zyp> why?
2020-03-12T18:52:29 < jpa-> they are surprisingly durable
2020-03-12T18:52:29 < BrainDamage> ruining the perfect aesthetics?
2020-03-12T18:52:36 < zyp> meh
2020-03-12T18:53:27 < BrainDamage> also, is it a light's trick or is the sink black as well?
2020-03-12T18:53:49 < zyp> yes
2020-03-12T18:54:09 < upgrdman> stm32cubemonitor... they're trying compete with my shit now ;)
2020-03-12T18:54:11 < zyp> some composite thing
2020-03-12T18:54:35 < jpa-> upgrdman: yeah i was wondering if they bought out upgrdcorporation
2020-03-12T18:54:36 < zyp> https://www.ikea.com/no/no/p/haellviken-innbyggingskum-1-1-2-kum-m-avrenning-svart-kvartskompositt-s79158196/
2020-03-12T18:55:07 < BrainDamage> looks pretty neat
2020-03-12T18:55:16 < zyp> yeah, I'm happy with it
2020-03-12T18:56:28 < zyp> I don't think there's much I'd want to change about the kitchen if I started over from scratch today, pretty happy with how it turned out overall
2020-03-12T18:57:01 < zyp> maybe I'd go for some different panels on the wall over the counter
2020-03-12T19:05:09 < jpa-> from hackaday coronacomments: "I’m no doctor but i play one on tv --"
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2020-03-12T19:14:55 < Steffanx> Welcome boddax. Hows life
2020-03-12T19:15:12 < boddax> form the moment still alive
2020-03-12T19:15:33 < boddax> the coffin is under the bed ..just roll me in
2020-03-12T19:15:51 < boddax> hows situation un dutchland?
2020-03-12T19:16:20 < Steffanx> Getting worse. More serious
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2020-03-12T19:17:18 < Steffanx> No time for a coffin yet
2020-03-12T19:17:19 < boddax> until the people going around around without rules and precaution cant stop
2020-03-12T19:18:35 < boddax> lol just supertitious im worried sure
2020-03-12T19:20:19 < boddax> the guy neighbor bring few days ago i speack about him here channel is died yesterday
2020-03-12T19:26:26 < karlp> fuckin truphone pricing is nuts
2020-03-12T19:26:38 < Steffanx> hm, boddax
2020-03-12T19:26:56 < karlp> really appealing to not have to worry about sims and shit, but getting 50 meg for a year is fucking insane.
2020-03-12T19:27:02 < Steffanx> i never heard of truphone
2020-03-12T19:27:10 < karlp> esim shit.
2020-03-12T19:27:36 < Steffanx> Ai Ooh Tea orientated?
2020-03-12T19:27:46 < karlp> presumably,
2020-03-12T19:28:29 < karlp> I'm evaluating whether LTE can replace "dealing with customer IT" but it seems tobe, "now  you get to deal with telco in customer country instead"
2020-03-12T19:30:38 < jpa-> there is also "IOT World Alliance" sim stuff, but IIRC that is "ask for price"
2020-03-12T19:31:43 < jpa-> drimsim seems somewhat affordable, ~10 EUR per gigabyte
2020-03-12T19:33:06 < jpa-> except in algeria, where it costs 16200 EUR per gigabyte :D
2020-03-12T19:34:03 < karlp> I'm so uninterested in this, people are going to want to start considering bandwidth of data again, such lame
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2020-03-12T19:50:39 < Laurenceb> IOT world police
2020-03-12T19:50:50 < Laurenceb> >we will use 5G for IOT
2020-03-12T19:50:56 < Laurenceb> that meme always make sme lol
2020-03-12T19:51:07 < Laurenceb> wtf is the power budget doing to look like
2020-03-12T19:51:15 < Laurenceb> >u will need to stick a sim card in ur toaster
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2020-03-12T20:12:18 < mawk> I have a headache Steffanx 
2020-03-12T20:12:24 < mawk> my coworkers are scared of me
2020-03-12T20:12:26 < Steffanx> ohno
2020-03-12T20:12:29 < Steffanx> better stay home
2020-03-12T20:12:31 < mawk> they want to work from remote now
2020-03-12T20:12:35 < mawk> don't want to cross me
2020-03-12T20:12:37 < Steffanx> lol
2020-03-12T20:12:51 < mawk> they say it's because of new RIVM recommandations but I don't believe it
2020-03-12T20:13:27 < Steffanx> poor mawk
2020-03-12T20:15:42 < Steffanx> Why woudl they else, they already hate you mawk?
2020-03-12T20:15:52 < mawk> lol no
2020-03-12T20:15:53 < mawk> they love me
2020-03-12T20:15:54 < Steffanx> Or cant you tell when a dutchy is joking?
2020-03-12T20:16:15 < mawk> it's you who can't tell when a frenchie is
2020-03-12T20:16:17 < mawk> :(
2020-03-12T20:16:32 < Steffanx> sorry, its the internet barrier
2020-03-12T20:16:52 < Steffanx> And my anti-virus protection is bothering
2020-03-12T20:17:16 < Steffanx> the minister told us to avoid social contacts AND groups larger than 100 people. 
2020-03-12T20:17:24 < Steffanx> IRC.. 100+ people. Im dead.
2020-03-12T20:18:23 < Steffanx> although irc might be more anti social
2020-03-12T20:18:40 < mawk> lol
2020-03-12T20:19:48 < Steffanx> He didnt talk about offline social contacts. Perhaps its his way to tell us to quit using social media
2020-03-12T20:21:10 < Steffanx> So will you stay home with your headache mr mawk?
2020-03-12T20:22:31 < mawk> yes
2020-03-12T20:27:47 < Steffanx> Damn i should do that too
2020-03-12T20:28:26 < Steffanx> Drink too much, have a headache, stay home because corona
2020-03-12T20:28:43 < Steffanx> i mean COVID-19. 
2020-03-12T20:29:22 < jpa-> i have a work trip tomorrow, first time i'm seeing another person face-to-face in two months for work purposes; i'm so terribly scared!
2020-03-12T20:29:42 < Steffanx> ohnooo
2020-03-12T20:30:02 < zyp> nice, have fun
2020-03-12T20:30:17 < Steffanx> Ask the kakiguy to go for you. Or do they know your face already?
2020-03-12T20:31:05 < jpa-> of course they do, i have mugshot on github!
2020-03-12T20:31:21 < Steffanx> Thats not you
2020-03-12T20:31:30 < Steffanx> Thats just the guy you are a big fan of.
2020-03-12T20:33:19 < mawk> lol
2020-03-12T20:33:24 < Steffanx> or is it the guy that married your wife?
2020-03-12T20:34:52 < jpa-> i doubt she would have married a guy that looks like that
2020-03-12T20:35:35 < upgrdman> hmm. lots of usb-c-to-hdmi adapters that do 4k30. isn't usb3 only 5Gbps? 3840*2160*30*24 ~=6Gbps
2020-03-12T20:36:14 < jpa-> upgrdman: are they actually usb3 protocol to hdmi, or just usb-c alternate mode to hdmi?
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2020-03-12T20:36:50 < Steffanx> who wants 4k at 30fps?
2020-03-12T20:37:10 < jpa-> people who watch movies on big screens?
2020-03-12T20:37:10 < zyp> people with nice monitors for work?
2020-03-12T20:37:28 < mawk> we want 60fps
2020-03-12T20:37:31 < upgrdman> jpa-, i dont know, but im using one of them and it works. its a usb-c hub with hdmi/usba/usba/usbc ports.
2020-03-12T20:37:44 < Steffanx> 30 feels even a bit sluggish for non-movie work.
2020-03-12T20:37:46 < upgrdman> im guessing its not alt mode, since it can work as a hub while doing hdmi
2020-03-12T20:37:54 < upgrdman> Steffanx, ya its annoying as fuck
2020-03-12T20:38:31 < upgrdman> but i needed a hub, and couldnt find any that output 4k60 unless its thunderbolt. any my surface pro 7 doesnt have thunderbolt
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2020-03-12T20:38:36 < jpa-> upgrdman: does it work as a USB3.0 hub while doing hdmi?
2020-03-12T20:38:44 < upgrdman> yes
2020-03-12T20:38:53 < upgrdman> it even charges laptop via pd
2020-03-12T20:38:54 < zyp> upgrdman, it's altmode
2020-03-12T20:38:55 < Spirit532> usbc is also thunderbolt
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2020-03-12T20:39:01 < zyp> two lanes of usb3 and two lanes of displayport
2020-03-12T20:39:02 < Spirit532> and it can do multiple altmodes
2020-03-12T20:39:03 < Spirit532> yes
2020-03-12T20:39:13 < upgrdman> Spirit532, not all usbc is thunderbolt. my laptop doesnt do tbolt
2020-03-12T20:39:25 < upgrdman> zyp, oh ok
2020-03-12T20:39:27 < zyp> yeah, thunderbolt is not involved
2020-03-12T20:39:32 < Steffanx> I still have to check if my Dell laptop does thunderbolt.
2020-03-12T20:40:08 < zyp> I was looking at those usb-c hubs today, I want one but I didn't find one I liked
2020-03-12T20:40:18 < upgrdman> it feels nice that we can FINALLY plug one cable in a laptop, and it gets charged + outputs video + has a hub
2020-03-12T20:40:20 < Steffanx> oh when im at it, back to the real problems. The dell charger cable has a led ring. I fucking had to get out of bed to cover the cable beecause it was annoying me as hell.
2020-03-12T20:40:31 < Steffanx> it even fades.
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2020-03-12T20:41:28 < zyp> the thing I dislike about most of those usb-c hubs is that they have captive cables, I want one with a socket so I can use it with a longer cable if I want
2020-03-12T20:41:43 < zyp> and that doesn't leave so many options
2020-03-12T20:41:57 < upgrdman> zyp, i ended up buying this. its overpriced but feels nice. https://www.microcenter.com/product/470052/satechi-slim-type-c-multi-port-adapter    i just wish it had an extra usb port
2020-03-12T20:42:04 < jpa-> upgrdman: yeah, looks like displayport alt mode can have usb3 in parallel, but it seems hdmi alt mode cannot - so the hub probably has displayport-to-hdmi converter internally
2020-03-12T20:42:18 < upgrdman> k
2020-03-12T20:42:51 < zyp> jpa-, I think most usb-c to hdmi stuff is using displayport alt mode
2020-03-12T20:43:07 < zyp> my impression is that hdmi alt mode is pretty uncommon
2020-03-12T20:43:24 < jpa-> yeah, the hdmi alt mode looks pretty dumb
2020-03-12T20:43:33 < jpa-> but it does have stuff like CEC that displayport might not have
2020-03-12T20:43:48 < Steffanx> upgrdman still uses this huge TV as monitor?
2020-03-12T20:44:02 < zyp> the whole hdmi vs displayport thing is pretty dumb, they are evolving into the same thing
2020-03-12T20:44:21 < upgrdman> Steffanx, for my desktop yes. but its driven at 4k60 by my gtx1080.
2020-03-12T20:44:25 < upgrdman> this is for my laptop
2020-03-12T20:44:43 < upgrdman> this hub is just being used as a docking station when im china'd
2020-03-12T20:44:53 < zyp> latest hdmi rev has dropped TMDS and went for 16b/18b instead
2020-03-12T20:45:30 < zyp> meanwhile displayport has evolved from 8b/10b to 128b/132b
2020-03-12T20:46:31 < zyp> also, displayport can run CEC over the AUX channel
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2020-03-12T21:07:04 < Laurenceb> >Reddit users who have self-isolated or been placed under quarantine are sharing things they wish they had picked up before being stuck inside.
2020-03-12T21:07:08 < Laurenceb> important news
2020-03-12T21:07:13 < Laurenceb> hopefully they all die
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2020-03-12T21:12:18 < Steffanx> same applies to you Laurenceb.
2020-03-12T21:12:37 < Laurenceb> triggered
2020-03-12T21:12:46 < Laurenceb> I'm calling Sir Tim to have you b&
2020-03-12T21:12:59 < Laurenceb> html 7.0 will have autobanning built in
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2020-03-12T21:25:41 < BrainDamage> html at least is a versioned standard
2020-03-12T21:25:46 < BrainDamage> unlike web 3.0
2020-03-12T21:29:13 < doomba> we're on web 3.js now
2020-03-12T21:29:27 < doomba> with ads in console when you run npm
2020-03-12T21:52:57 < Laurenceb> hmm looks like advertising blimps have l/d of around 3
2020-03-12T21:53:03 < Laurenceb> surprisingly high
2020-03-12T21:53:17 < Laurenceb> but hybrid airships are still retarded
2020-03-12T22:02:16 < Steffanx> So make Laurence Balloon Corp. a great company.
2020-03-12T22:03:16 < Laurenceb> a great, great company, truly the best
2020-03-12T22:03:34 < Laurenceb> I mean there are some great companies out there, but this one is truly amazing, take it from me folks
2020-03-12T22:03:55 < Laurenceb> make companies great again!
2020-03-12T22:06:24 < Steffanx> Hah, i heard the trump voice too when i wrote that :P
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2020-03-12T22:13:14 < BrainDamage> blimps, the technology of the future
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2020-03-12T22:41:24 < Laurenceb> maybe we could ask an AI how to cure coronavirus
2020-03-12T22:44:13 < antto> 42
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2020-03-12T22:50:09 < antto> 2nd attempt: https://i.imgur.com/zdFTSq0.png
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2020-03-12T23:02:54 < Ultrasauce> that wxwidgets theme
2020-03-12T23:03:53 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2020-03-12T23:04:01 < Laurenceb> my head hurts just looking at that
2020-03-12T23:05:06 < doomba> https://www.amazon.com/Happy-Birthday-Toilet-Paper-Prank/dp/B085F3XNQQ
2020-03-12T23:05:19 < doomba> facebook did a firmware update a few days ago to cause the normies to buy out all the TP
2020-03-12T23:05:33 < doomba> they even bought up all the novelty item toilet paper
2020-03-12T23:10:25 < antto> why loirens?
2020-03-12T23:10:35 < qyx> pcie obsession #7: https://imgur.com/a/Dvn5RW9
2020-03-12T23:11:38 < antto> wut's that huge TQFP?
2020-03-12T23:11:58 < qyx> its a huge sama5d27-som1
2020-03-12T23:12:17 < antto> korteggz A?
2020-03-12T23:12:24 < qyx> yes
2020-03-12T23:12:32 < qyx> also, cheap HASL for card edge connectors
2020-03-12T23:12:32 < antto> how do you even code on that sh*t
2020-03-12T23:12:40 < qyx> but fukit for protos
2020-03-12T23:12:45 < antto> ghetto
2020-03-12T23:13:00 < qyx> in micropython and c on lunix
2020-03-12T23:13:23 < antto> is that eggsposed copper on the sides of the PCB on purpose?
2020-03-12T23:14:17 < doomba> what are you using a cluster of sama5d27 for
2020-03-12T23:14:38 < antto> oh, this is made in k*c*d, isn't it
2020-03-12T23:18:03 < qyx> yes on purpose
2020-03-12T23:18:22 < qyx> and it is not a cluster
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2020-03-12T23:24:06 < antto> my TQFP looks such much smol-er now https://i.imgur.com/O6EqmPZ.jpg
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2020-03-12T23:24:35 < qyx> lol similar retarted label
2020-03-12T23:24:58 < antto> i sprinkled some silly text around the board
2020-03-12T23:25:25 < antto> https://i.imgur.com/nuQICXD.jpg
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2020-03-12T23:51:56 < Laurenceb> where can I buy insulated aluminium wire?
2020-03-12T23:52:20 < Spirit532> qyx, what format are the cards in?
2020-03-12T23:52:22 < Spirit532> something custom?
2020-03-12T23:55:28 < Laurenceb> nvm https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-power/bellwirecca/bell-wire-cca-conductor-100m/dp/CB1461562?mckv=sYZHhbbs4_dc|pcrid|224645119674|kword||match||plid||slid||product|CB14615|pgrid|52698577371|ptaid|pla-614721633830|&CMP=KNC-GUK-CPC-SHOPPING&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyJ_rh_aV6AIVibHtCh1X2QBnEAQYASABEgLX8_D_BwE
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2020-03-13T00:01:07 < catphish> thats some crappy cable :)
2020-03-13T00:04:14 < Laurenceb> perfect for prototype solar blimp
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2020-03-13T00:06:21 < Laurenceb> https://www.megaflatables.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/IMG_0263-1024x1018.jpg
2020-03-13T00:06:27 < Laurenceb> perfect branding...
2020-03-13T00:07:51 < Laurenceb> https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/participants-walk-in-the-2010-gay-pride-parade-along-av-reforma-on-picture-id122351814?s=612x612
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2020-03-13T00:10:16 < englishman> karlp: hologram?
2020-03-13T00:10:39 < Laurenceb> like the plane that hit wtc?
2020-03-13T00:11:12 < karlp> englishman: hologram what?
2020-03-13T00:11:20 < englishman> .io
2020-03-13T00:12:02 < karlp> ah, right.
2020-03-13T00:12:21 < karlp> still pricing per meg, so "data is precious, you must think abotu it"
2020-03-13T00:12:25 < englishman> yes
2020-03-13T00:12:28 < englishman> it's lte
2020-03-13T00:12:51 < karlp> so? it's super cheap for users, why should it be expensive for "devices"
2020-03-13T00:12:57 < englishman> what do you think this is lorawan? where you can abuse that 300 baud limit all day?
2020-03-13T00:13:42 < karlp> I'm talking baout replacing a 100meg lan connection that you don't even think abotu with lte,
2020-03-13T00:13:56 < englishman> maybe call your cellco corporate div
2020-03-13T00:14:07 < englishman> if buying >100
2020-03-13T00:14:25 < karlp> that's the problem though, it's all over, not just local.
2020-03-13T00:14:34 < englishman> rip
2020-03-13T00:14:44 < englishman> is worldwide roaming cheap for you?
2020-03-13T00:14:53 < karlp> but yeah, that's what it feels like, avoid dealing with corporate IT, instead deal regional telcos
2020-03-13T00:14:58 < karlp> no, each one would be fixed,
2020-03-13T00:15:08 < karlp> just don't want to have to deal with all the telcos one by one.
2020-03-13T00:15:10 < karlp> blah
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2020-03-13T00:19:23 < qyx> what about the customer buying what fits?
2020-03-13T00:19:39 < qyx> or a single .eu operator, single usa operator
2020-03-13T00:20:29 < qyx> Spirit532: 160x100mm eurocard, half depth, 2U instead of 3U
2020-03-13T00:20:35 < qyx> so about 55x80mm
2020-03-13T00:24:26 < karlp> qyx: that's what we'd almost definitely be doing, just means more skus
2020-03-13T00:25:06 < karlp> and now someone has to manage all the fucking accounts.
2020-03-13T00:26:29 < qyx> Laurenceb: it is cca, isn't it?
2020-03-13T00:27:20 < Laurenceb> yeah
2020-03-13T00:27:33 < Laurenceb> is that mostly aluminium by volume?
2020-03-13T00:31:05 < qyx> idk
2020-03-13T00:31:23 < qyx> hm, those molex PCI-e connectors are a bit loose in the PCB
2020-03-13T00:31:55 < qyx> pad holes should be definitely smaller
2020-03-13T00:32:33 < qyx> peg hole too
2020-03-13T00:35:49 < qyx> now I need to find a super low power ethernet switch to convert the passive backplane to something which can be broken
2020-03-13T00:38:13 < doomba> normies were out in full force at the grocery store
2020-03-13T00:38:23 < doomba> coughing and not covering their faces
2020-03-13T00:38:32 < doomba> carts full of toilet pap.er
2020-03-13T00:45:58 < englishman> trudeau has the batflu
2020-03-13T00:47:03 < doomba> too bad it doesn't kill LGBTQ
2020-03-13T00:48:23 < englishman> it only kills smokers. and cybercriminals
2020-03-13T00:49:37 < Laurenceb> oh sheet 4 realz?
2020-03-13T00:49:56 < Laurenceb> keeek oh wow
2020-03-13T00:49:58 < englishman> and 4chan posters
2020-03-13T00:50:09 < englishman> which is a type of cybercriminal
2020-03-13T00:52:21 < Laurenceb> v& and b&
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2020-03-13T01:32:48 < jadew> https://youtu.be/HZqnccEI9oc?t=1400
2020-03-13T01:34:08 < jadew> seems like the prevalent idea among health workers - if you're old and there's a queue, they'll let you die
2020-03-13T01:34:29 < jadew> I bet those people are happy now that they've contributed to the health fund all their lives
2020-03-13T01:37:53 < Thorn> btw looks like you're at significant risk if you've been taking blood pressure meds
2020-03-13T01:38:19 < Thorn> you will have more ACE2 receptors that the virus binds to
2020-03-13T01:38:33 < jadew> pretty sure not the meds are the problem, but the fact that you have blood pressure issues
2020-03-13T01:39:31 < qyx> so the meds are the problem?
2020-03-13T01:40:49 < jadew> pollution seems to be a factor too
2020-03-13T01:40:58 < jadew> I guess that if you live in a big city you're more at risk
2020-03-13T01:41:19 < englishman> hey thorn
2020-03-13T01:41:21 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYS4_CTTOPU
2020-03-13T01:41:23 < englishman> can you tell me what this is
2020-03-13T01:42:21 < Thorn> englishman: google translate says it's Kyrgyz language
2020-03-13T01:42:33 < englishman> ha it said it was uzbek for me
2020-03-13T01:43:20 < qyx> englishman: what lorawan gw did you use?
2020-03-13T01:43:28 < qyx> a proper ome?
2020-03-13T01:43:34 < englishman> i dicked around the with the RAK wireless one
2020-03-13T01:43:37 < englishman> it was pretty shitty
2020-03-13T01:43:39 < qyx> or a single SF only?
2020-03-13T01:43:42 < Thorn> anyway not everything that uses Cyrillic is Russian or even in the same family
2020-03-13T01:43:45 < englishman> they have better stuff now but so does everyone else
2020-03-13T01:43:52 < englishman> yeah Thorn but i figured id ask
2020-03-13T01:43:53 < englishman> thx
2020-03-13T01:44:07 < qyx> k
2020-03-13T01:49:49 < Laurenceb> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Air-Ads-Inflatable-Advertising-Promotional-Balloon/dp/B072FNSGLJ/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=advertising+blimp&qid=1584055019&sr=8-5
2020-03-13T01:49:51 < Laurenceb> based
2020-03-13T01:56:39 < englishman> haha norway has more infected than japan
2020-03-13T01:56:45 < englishman> good job getting out zyp
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2020-03-13T01:59:48 < jadew> he's the one making sure japan doesn't fall short
2020-03-13T02:02:25 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/UWMFwgN.jpeg
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2020-03-13T02:09:06 < emeb_mac> zyp: did you see that OrangeCrab FPGA board is finally up on Groupgets?
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2020-03-13T02:40:38 < jadew> lol, I never took the time to read the content on the facebook group of my apartment building - it's freaking gold
2020-03-13T02:41:49 < jadew> someone posts the following joke: "There are rats around the building. Please take measures", then there's an answer (in the same joke): "We took measures: 25-30cm in length, 6-10 in width. We didn't weigh them."
2020-03-13T02:42:21 < jadew> that was the joke, then a neighbour answers: "At which entrance?"
2020-03-13T02:44:24 < jadew> also, the arguments are lengthy, hurtful and make reference to things that happened decades ago
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2020-03-13T03:06:32 < Laurenceb> >fast and furious nine
2020-03-13T03:06:37 < Laurenceb> N I N E
2020-03-13T03:07:51 < Laurenceb> all the German grrls rated me 9 out of ten
2020-03-13T03:09:12 < englishman> the last one barely had any cars
2020-03-13T03:09:28 < englishman> to think the first one was 20 years ago and was a car remake of point break
2020-03-13T03:12:03 < Laurenceb> wonder if i can order a giant goatse blimp
2020-03-13T03:13:24 < englishman> might have to go direct2china cut out the UK censorship middleman
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2020-03-13T03:39:58 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/do2t1fI
2020-03-13T03:39:59 < bitmask> not bad at all, now to see if the components fit
2020-03-13T03:56:18 < zyp> emeb_mac, yeah, I also saw shipping to norway is almost $50
2020-03-13T04:01:36 < englishman> i had this vendor offer me this cool cmos sensor today
2020-03-13T04:01:45 < englishman> admittedly very cool 140dB dynamic range
2020-03-13T04:01:52 < englishman> however the readout is a diff analogue signal
2020-03-13T04:02:03 < englishman> so you need like a 200msps differential adc
2020-03-13T04:02:07 < englishman> and that's your digital interface
2020-03-13T04:02:23 < englishman> i guess it could be easier to integrate to a som than lvds
2020-03-13T04:02:36 < englishman> but still
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2020-03-13T04:04:28 < zyp> wat
2020-03-13T04:04:37 < kakigate> yes
2020-03-13T04:05:34 < zyp> emeb_mac, on the other hand I found tinyfpga bx in a physical store yesterday, so I bought one
2020-03-13T04:05:59 < kakigate> in jp?
2020-03-13T04:06:08 < zyp> so now I got something a little bit more capable than icestick at least
2020-03-13T04:06:11 < zyp> kakigate, yes
2020-03-13T04:06:54 < kakigate> bring me one too
2020-03-13T04:07:01 < zyp> nah
2020-03-13T04:07:13 < Thorn> >Trump and Pence are declining testing despite being exposed
2020-03-13T04:08:44 < kakigate> http://jahonen.kapsi.fi/Electronics/USB-FPGA%20HSIO/USB-FPGA-HSIO.jpg zyp: I get this free from my guru
2020-03-13T04:09:16 < kakigate> more controller type of thing but something to play with at least
2020-03-13T04:09:27 < Ultrasauce> now you get to wrestle with an ancient version of quartus
2020-03-13T04:09:53 < Ultrasauce> the real gift
2020-03-13T04:10:10 < kakigate> wait.. not supported by current version?
2020-03-13T04:10:14 < zyp> I found zybo and some max10 shit as well yesterday
2020-03-13T04:10:30 < kakigate> I thought CIV was rather fresh
2020-03-13T04:10:35 < zyp> but I don't wanna mess around with that
2020-03-13T04:11:20 < kakigate> Ultrasauce: are you saying IV is so old it's software support has ended?
2020-03-13T04:11:22 < Ultrasauce> ah it's just up to III that's been dropped
2020-03-13T04:11:36 < kakigate> that's what I though
2020-03-13T04:11:39 < Laurenceb> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SOLAR-CELLS-5x5-MONO-SEMIFLEX-22-5-efficiency-A-grade-SUNPOWER/254435629206?hash=item3b3d8b9896:m:m342dn5tmKRNQeTa9i4PNbA
2020-03-13T04:11:42 < Laurenceb> sweeet
2020-03-13T04:12:20 < Ultrasauce> (i have it on good authority that quartus still sucks)
2020-03-13T04:12:39 < englishman> kakigate i have a kuduolu
2020-03-13T04:13:02 < kakigate> aha
2020-03-13T04:13:08 < emeb_mac> zyp: oof! $50 is ludicrous for something so small
2020-03-13T04:13:27 < kakigate> estonian beverage englishman?
2020-03-13T04:13:32 < englishman> y
2020-03-13T04:13:42 < emeb_mac> I backed it, but frankly $99 is a bit steep for an ECP5-25k
2020-03-13T04:14:00 < englishman> the led expansion board is around that price right?
2020-03-13T04:14:56 < zyp> emeb_mac, yeah, I thought that too
2020-03-13T04:15:16 < zyp> and combined, $150 is not that far off from the versa, which can be had from digikey/mouser with free shipping
2020-03-13T04:16:11 < zyp> so I'll wait and see
2020-03-13T04:17:05 < Ultrasauce> and breaking out the serdes is kinda important too imo
2020-03-13T04:18:21 < zyp> Ultrasauce, orangecrab is using a non-serdes part as far as I can see
2020-03-13T04:18:31 < kakigate> zyp: kodu = koti, olu = olut
2020-03-13T04:18:44 < kakigate> home beer
2020-03-13T04:19:36 < kakigate> it's very primitive type of beer
2020-03-13T04:20:15 < zyp> like prison beer, brewed in a toilet?
2020-03-13T04:21:05 < kakigate> no.. in finnish person's favourite item.. a free plastic bucket
2020-03-13T04:21:13 < emeb_mac> toilet beer.
2020-03-13T04:21:20 < emeb_mac> I think I've had that before
2020-03-13T04:21:36 < Thorn> why is dipole independent of ground plane while monopole does depend on one?
2020-03-13T04:21:40 < kakigate> and yes the bucket is usually in toilet
2020-03-13T04:21:51 < zyp> Thorn, balanced vs single ended
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2020-03-13T04:22:01 < kakigate> or sauna / shower room
2020-03-13T04:22:10 < emeb_mac> monopole reflects off the gnd plane and looks like a dipole
2020-03-13T04:22:36 < emeb_mac> electromagnetic field theory - how does it work?
2020-03-13T04:23:22 < englishman> http://www.garshol.priv.no/blog/388.html
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2020-03-13T04:40:02 < kakigate> finnish kotiolut is low alcohol
2020-03-13T04:40:12 < kakigate> couple of percents
2020-03-13T04:40:37 < kakigate> kids are allowed to have it
2020-03-13T04:45:23 < kakigate> it's on par with juice
2020-03-13T04:45:43 < kakigate> juice with alcohol rather
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2020-03-13T08:23:23 < antto> when i played cstrike the last few times, i used the nickname "CAMAPA Mpa3u KOHE" .. can anyone guess wut it means? >:)
2020-03-13T08:35:44 < Spirit532> I need to rub something in the face of my friend
2020-03-13T08:35:47 < Spirit532> https://github.com/Spirit532/ILI9163C_STM32_HAL_DMA#blocking-dma
2020-03-13T08:35:51 < Spirit532> Please verify that I'm sane here
2020-03-13T08:36:00 < Spirit532> And that this is the only real way to do it without blocking elsewhere(!!!!)
2020-03-13T08:36:32 < Spirit532> the "blocking dma" section
2020-03-13T08:38:48 < jpa-> Spirit532: you could just have "start frame update" and "wait frame update complete" as separate functions, and then your main code could be like   draw_frame(); start_frame_update(); do_some_other_stuff(); wait_frame_update_done();
2020-03-13T08:39:02 < jpa-> but if you have nothing else to do or it is done in interrupts, there is no point and blocking there is fine
2020-03-13T08:39:32 < Spirit532> sure, but in this case my argument is that the scheduler both of these functions run in can yank control away regardless
2020-03-13T08:39:47 < Spirit532> so your suggestion IS correct, but it's still unnecessary, I think
2020-03-13T08:39:49 < jpa-> yeah, if you have rtos that's fine too
2020-03-13T08:40:59 < jpa-> most people just have the drawing functions draw to the display ram directly, which is slower and causes more tearing but saves ram - but the way you are doing it seems ok for your case,
2020-03-13T08:41:26 < Spirit532> yeah, I outlined that doing this is hogging RAM but is the fastest way in general
2020-03-13T08:41:45 < jpa-> well not the fastest, as double buffering or display list rendering would be faster
2020-03-13T08:41:52 < Spirit532> display list rendering?
2020-03-13T08:42:08 < Spirit532> double buffering is just about as fast, in this case the ceiling is the SPI/DMA Tx rate
2020-03-13T08:42:19 < Spirit532> I can't push it past 80 fps because it only runs at 41.5MHz
2020-03-13T08:42:39 < jpa-> no point pushing past 80 fps anyway, but if you had a *lot* of stuff to draw you wouldn't be writing on SPI all the time
2020-03-13T08:43:13 < Spirit532> yeah, but in that case your t_draw becomes longer than t_transmit
2020-03-13T08:43:24 < Spirit532> at which point you can just run it delay-free entirely
2020-03-13T08:43:31 < Spirit532> and let dma chug away in the background
2020-03-13T08:43:48 < jpa-> display list rendering is when you have a list of objects (line objects, text objects etc.) and then just render a couple of lines at a time to a buffer that is continuously being transferred by DMA in the background - very low ram usage, high speed, but complex and a total overkill for your situation
2020-03-13T08:43:58 < Spirit532> ah yeah
2020-03-13T08:44:34 < Spirit532> the only issue with delay-free dma transmission is you need double buffering
2020-03-13T08:44:39 < jpa-> Spirit532: you are assuming that you know the times in advance and they are constant, which may very well be true for your case - but for a general purpose graphics library it wouldn't be
2020-03-13T08:44:49 < Spirit532> times are always constant for transmit
2020-03-13T08:44:49 < jpa-> but of course there is no point writing yet another general purpose graphics library
2020-03-13T08:44:57 < Spirit532> yup
2020-03-13T08:45:03 < Spirit532> this is probably the simplest solution
2020-03-13T08:45:08 < Spirit532> albeit one that eats a ton of ram
2020-03-13T08:45:28 < antto> terabytes!
2020-03-13T08:45:32 < Spirit532> but with a chip that has 128k and only costs what, $6?
2020-03-13T08:45:41 < Spirit532> can easily just burn 64k on fancy grafiks.
2020-03-13T08:46:07 < antto> fancy jee-eff-eggz
2020-03-13T08:46:24 < Spirit532> I can't wait until this g474 becomes bottom of the barrel
2020-03-13T08:46:32 < Spirit532> when we get single-dig megs of ram and double-digit megs of flash for $5
2020-03-13T08:46:38 < Spirit532> at some 480MHz
2020-03-13T08:47:11 < Spirit532> at some point 128k of ram and 512k of flash cost $50
2020-03-13T08:47:16 < Spirit532> so it'll happen, eventually
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2020-03-13T09:01:43 < antto> bruh, the news on TV here is all "JE SUIS CORIZZLE VIZZLE"
2020-03-13T09:02:09 < Steffanx> Je suis antto 
2020-03-13T09:05:09 < antto> nein.
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2020-03-13T10:36:15 < Steffanx> Wclm jly
2020-03-13T10:37:44 < jly> hi
2020-03-13T10:55:03 < Steffanx> No Formula One for you this weekend, jly
2020-03-13T10:55:19 < jly> ty
2020-03-13T10:55:32 < jly> never went to it once
2020-03-13T10:57:24 < jly> the world end 
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2020-03-13T11:18:59 < Cracki> >some Millennials and Gen Z-ers have been referring to Coronavirus as "Boomer Remover."
2020-03-13T11:21:35 < jadew> I noticed that too
2020-03-13T11:27:26 < Cracki> the seven deaths in germany so far are all 60+ most around 70
2020-03-13T11:30:45 < Cracki> some at my uni are going bonkers, totally hysterical, abandoning their duty. I think there's a silver lining to looking for jobs in this situation. anyone who is still works right now, must have an actually important job, not bourgeois
2020-03-13T11:31:22 < jadew> I agree
2020-03-13T11:31:30 < jadew> it's not a good time to be a hero for your job
2020-03-13T11:31:35 < jadew> *company
2020-03-13T11:31:50 < Cracki> it's a good time for a company to be the hero to its employees
2020-03-13T11:31:57 < jadew> yep
2020-03-13T11:31:57 < Cracki> bills don't pay themselves
2020-03-13T11:32:14 < Cracki> anyone who fires or refused to hire right now doesn't deserve to stay in business
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2020-03-13T11:52:58 < mawk> in french there are words that are their own opposites
2020-03-13T11:56:05 < Steffanx> Hows home sicking mawk?
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2020-03-13T12:21:14 < mawk> I'm good again Steffanx 
2020-03-13T12:21:17 < mawk> headache is gone
2020-03-13T12:21:23 < mawk> but all the company works from home now
2020-03-13T12:21:48 < qyx> did you put them in quarantine?
2020-03-13T12:21:52 < mawk> lol
2020-03-13T12:21:58 < mawk> no, it's recommandations from the ministry of health
2020-03-13T12:23:02 < mawk> I like working from home because I can smoke, but my productivity will be down 200%
2020-03-13T12:23:57 < Cracki> how do yall handle the normies wanting video conferences and telephone calls
2020-03-13T12:24:13 < mawk> lol
2020-03-13T12:24:17 < Cracki> I will not let those people look into my home or even on my desktop
2020-03-13T12:24:18 < mawk> I had to do a video conference this morning
2020-03-13T12:24:27 < mawk> the main topic was "this video conference software sucks"
2020-03-13T12:24:31 < mawk> it was microsoft teams
2020-03-13T12:24:31 < Cracki> orly
2020-03-13T12:24:36 < Cracki> good to know
2020-03-13T12:24:48 < Cracki> around here they (or the one weird fucker) want to use slack
2020-03-13T12:25:03 < mawk> we use slack as well, but we didn't pay for it
2020-03-13T12:25:06 < mawk> no video call with that
2020-03-13T12:25:07 < Cracki> if it were telephone calls, I could maybe handle that.
2020-03-13T12:25:40 < mawk> you can blur your background
2020-03-13T12:25:44 < mawk> with the right software
2020-03-13T12:26:56 < Cracki> I will not risk that.
2020-03-13T12:27:18 < Cracki> this is indian scammer level of surveillance
2020-03-13T12:27:38 < Cracki> indian code monkeys have to deliver live and recorded desktop when they prorgam anything
2020-03-13T12:28:04 < Cracki> just in case (hah) they dick around
2020-03-13T12:28:34 < Cracki> it's all so tiresome, to quote a great chinaman
2020-03-13T12:32:21 < mawk> lol
2020-03-13T12:32:52 < mawk> but they agre if I cut my webcam I think
2020-03-13T12:32:55 < mawk> sound only is fine
2020-03-13T12:33:19 < karlp> mawk: oh yes, teams is so fucking shit
2020-03-13T12:37:00 < englishman> mawk
2020-03-13T12:41:40 < Steffanx> mawk 
2020-03-13T12:41:57 < mawk> :(
2020-03-13T12:46:44 < englishman> mawk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7LOcFaEJA8
2020-03-13T12:52:15 < mawk> lol
2020-03-13T12:52:17 < mawk> Catégorie
2020-03-13T12:52:19 < mawk> Actualités et politique
2020-03-13T12:53:53 < englishman> mdr
2020-03-13T12:55:19 < doomba> wtf XT25F32
2020-03-13T12:55:31 < doomba> a mystery spi nor with no datasheet
2020-03-13T13:07:15 < Cracki> >56% mystery me...mory
2020-03-13T13:07:46 < Cracki> rock pi?
2020-03-13T13:09:02 < Cracki> random vk.com wall says >you can safely put 25Q32 flash instead of XT25F32 and fill in the tuner firmware
2020-03-13T13:13:12 < qyx> openwrt pros
2020-03-13T13:13:26 < qyx> how do I enable pcie without all that packaging burden
2020-03-13T13:16:21 < PaulFertser> qyx: what exactly do you mean?
2020-03-13T13:17:03 < qyx> there is an onion openwrt for omega2, official openwrt for omega2
2020-03-13T13:17:09 < qyx> but both lack pcie support
2020-03-13T13:17:35 < qyx> I need kmod-pcie-mt7620
2020-03-13T13:17:39 < qyx> there is no such thing
2020-03-13T13:18:04 < PaulFertser> qyx: isn't wifi on those things connected via internal pcie bus?
2020-03-13T13:18:11 < karlp> you can hack aroudn it with make kernel_menuconfig and just build it in....
2020-03-13T13:18:20 < PaulFertser> And usb
2020-03-13T13:18:26 < qyx> I am not interested in those
2020-03-13T13:18:33 < karlp> yar, but qyx wants pcie for pcie's sake :)
2020-03-13T13:18:45 < qyx> omega2s has 1 external PCIe lane
2020-03-13T13:18:48 < PaulFertser> I mean it's part of the kernel already most probably.
2020-03-13T13:18:53 < qyx> uh oh
2020-03-13T13:19:07 < PaulFertser> qyx: do you have /sys/bus/pci ?
2020-03-13T13:19:09 < qyx> root@OpenWrt:~# dmesg|grep pci
2020-03-13T13:19:12 < qyx> nothing
2020-03-13T13:19:31 < qyx> I have
2020-03-13T13:19:45 < karlp> have a look at package/kernel/mt76/Makefile though, it's not terribly difficult to add in new kmod packages.
2020-03-13T13:20:22 < qyx> there is even a /sys/bus/pci/drivers/mt7603e
2020-03-13T13:20:32 < qyx> internal wifi is working
2020-03-13T13:20:33 < karlp> that's a wifi chip.
2020-03-13T13:20:38 < karlp> yar
2020-03-13T13:21:01 < karlp> actually, mt76 is a bad example, as it's external source kmods
2020-03-13T13:21:40 < PaulFertser> qyx: the question is rather about /sys/bus/pci/devices , if there's something in there it means pcie is already enabled in the board DTS.
2020-03-13T13:21:43 < qyx> the wifi is recognized as mt76_wmac
2020-03-13T13:22:01 < karlp> package/kernel/linux/modules/netdevices.mk is how to package them...
2020-03-13T13:22:11 < qyx> PaulFertser: nothing inside
2020-03-13T13:22:26 < karlp> and the other files in that dir.
2020-03-13T13:22:53 < karlp> you just need to list the .ko, and the KCOFIG you need.
2020-03-13T13:23:14 < qyx> I am going to check that
2020-03-13T13:23:24 < PaulFertser> qyx: it's disabled by the dtsi SoC: https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/openwrt.git;a=blob;f=target/linux/ramips/dts/mt7628an.dtsi;h=61016c8b4081235fefba6c37afa3b7fb1d5b2819;hb=HEAD#l481
2020-03-13T13:24:13 < qyx> cat /proc/device-tree/pcie@10140000/status
2020-03-13T13:24:14 < qyx> disabled
2020-03-13T13:24:15 < qyx> :(
2020-03-13T13:25:05 < qyx> applying a dts overlay wouldn't help?
2020-03-13T13:25:18 < PaulFertser> qyx: you need to add something like this https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/openwrt.git;a=blob;f=target/linux/ramips/dts/mt7628an_cudy_wr1000.dts;h=71aefcb525b0a9f2bdd508eed2bdbdacf1c883ec;hb=HEAD#l115
2020-03-13T13:25:33 < PaulFertser> qyx: so a dts overlay would help indeed. Or custom dts.
2020-03-13T13:26:05 < qyx> I want to avoid compiling anything
2020-03-13T13:26:17 < qyx> ie. I want to use the image at downloads.openwrt.org if possible
2020-03-13T13:26:28 < qyx> but I can live with some modifications after installation
2020-03-13T13:27:13 < PaulFertser> qyx: due to how vendor usually configure bootloaders many boards embed full DTS in kernel image, unfortunately. You can try adding an external overlay and modify command line.
2020-03-13T13:28:39 < PaulFertser> (embed full compiled DTS, that is, DTB)
2020-03-13T13:34:09 < PaulFertser> qyx: you can probably make a script to repack the image with a tweaked DTB, it doesn't seem to be too complicated.
2020-03-13T13:35:42 < qyx> I mean I don't need the changes to be included in the image itself
2020-03-13T13:35:49 < qyx> if it is possible to apply them at runtime
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2020-03-13T13:37:53 < PaulFertser> qyx: I would probably try looking if you have /sys/bus/platform/drivers/mt7628-pci and if yes, if it's possible to do something like "echo 10140000.pcie > bind" there. But I have doubts.
2020-03-13T13:43:03 < qyx> I have mt7620-pci and bind tells me no such device
2020-03-13T13:44:22 < karlp> I've no experience (yet) with dt-overlays I'm sorry
2020-03-13T13:44:42 < PaulFertser> qyx: I suggest you self-build the whole image for testing all the features you need. Then when you get it all working probably you'll find some runtime hack.
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2020-03-13T13:45:02 < PaulFertser> karlp: afaict dt overlays are applied by the bootloader. So if you do not count on bootloader to provide DTB, sol.
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2020-03-13T13:55:49 < qyx> apparently no 3.2 Loading Overlays via Configfs
2020-03-13T13:55:58 < qyx> or maybe there are multiple solutions
2020-03-13T13:56:28 < PaulFertser> qyx: building OpenWrt from source is usually not problematic
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2020-03-13T15:58:59 < qyx> PaulFertser: yeah but I am not a gentoo-type sadomasochist, if I can go with precompiled official packages, I would like to use them
2020-03-13T15:59:24 < karlp> yeah, well, you not always going to like that for openwrt.
2020-03-13T15:59:28 < PaulFertser> qyx: well, in this case apparently you can't
2020-03-13T15:59:45 < karlp> you might like the image builder, but trying to use "only" the default images will end up using more flash space too
2020-03-13T15:59:59 < PaulFertser> qyx: also, with self-built kernel and kernel modules you'll still be able to use precompiled userspace packages.
2020-03-13T16:00:33 < Laurenceb> oh no the sportsballl
2020-03-13T16:00:35 < Laurenceb> noooo
2020-03-13T16:00:40 < Laurenceb> not the sportsball
2020-03-13T16:01:55 < PaulFertser> qyx: and yes, IB can pack you an image with custom DTB.
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2020-03-13T16:04:33 < Laurenceb> how will we recover from sportsball being cancelled
2020-03-13T16:04:38 < Laurenceb> I hate coronavirus now
2020-03-13T16:08:25 < Laurenceb> millions of norf fc fans will have no meaning to their lives
2020-03-13T16:09:32 < qyx> PaulFertser: oh so I just need to get IB and select the correct profile, it builds the same thing as avaialble oficially?
2020-03-13T16:16:43 < Laurenceb> >britbong mail charges £400/year for a PO box
2020-03-13T16:16:45 < Laurenceb> wtf reeee
2020-03-13T16:16:55 < PaulFertser> qyx: yes
2020-03-13T16:18:37 < dongs> d> louis rossmann got the covid from fixing a chinamans iphone x
2020-03-13T16:18:38 < dongs> d> because he licks the screen on every phone he gets
2020-03-13T16:18:55 < karlp> qyx: but you can add your own packages and files into the image, instead of trying to mofidy them after it boots
2020-03-13T16:22:21 < doomba> dongs: licking iphones and doorknobs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ujPDBt_l0M&t=1m14s
2020-03-13T16:35:28 < jpa-> meanwhile in finland: https://jaffa.xyz/lidl_lahti.jpeg
2020-03-13T16:37:24 < doomba> rice and beans and potaterz
2020-03-13T16:38:33 < jpa-> but no toilet paper so i'm calling fake
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2020-03-13T17:06:51 < Laurenceb> sheet
2020-03-13T17:07:03 < Laurenceb> uk at consistent +35%/day coronavirus
2020-03-13T17:08:02 < jpa-> are your babies shaking already?
2020-03-13T17:08:34 < Steffanx> No, the project was cancelled. The babies died
2020-03-13T17:08:54 < jpa-> corona could scare them to shake anywa
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2020-03-13T17:11:37 < specing> Laurenceb: your sides are viral now?
2020-03-13T17:12:31 < Cracki> buy stocks in linen sheets now. there will be demand, for covering all the bodies
2020-03-13T17:13:18 < Cracki> or maybe invest in cremation tech, or excavator manufacturers (there will be mass graves!!!)
2020-03-13T17:13:43 < Cracki> I'd divest from retirement homes, they will be empty for decades
2020-03-13T17:14:44 < Cracki> upper management in most companies will be wiped out. everyone will be promoted way beyond his stupidity
2020-03-13T17:16:24 < qyx> karlp: yeah I did, flashed sysupgrade, works
2020-03-13T17:16:32 < qyx> now I am trying to modify the dts
2020-03-13T17:16:34 < Cracki> invest in baby supplies. there will be lots of fucking during statewide house arrests and while people are dying
2020-03-13T17:18:02 < jpa-> i'd start printing "I survived COVID-19" shirts now to be ready to sell them to jadew and his family when everyone else has died
2020-03-13T17:21:38 < qyx> ok, dts change apparently works because the board no longer boots
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2020-03-13T18:03:23 < PaulFertser> qyx: I would suggest testing by booting initramfs image from bootloader.
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2020-03-13T18:49:00 < Laurenceb> covid-19 moar leik corvid-19
2020-03-13T18:49:04 < Laurenceb> the crows did this
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2020-03-13T18:57:55 < jadew> jpa-, other than me and my wife, nobody in our family seems to understand the gravity of the situation
2020-03-13T18:58:14 < jadew> they still go out like this thing isn't even happening
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2020-03-13T19:00:30 < Cracki> and they should
2020-03-13T19:01:14 < Cracki> they should wash their hands, keep polite distance, and stay away from the looting and the pillaging and the raping
2020-03-13T19:02:17 < karlp> ie, they shouldn't still go out like this isnt' even happening?
2020-03-13T19:02:24 < karlp> make up your mind crackster
2020-03-13T19:07:44 < specing> jadew: yeah, that's how people act about climate change
2020-03-13T19:09:49 < Steffanx> What is climate change?
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2020-03-13T19:18:13 < Cracki> what are they supposed to do, stay home and board up teh windows?
2020-03-13T19:18:35 < Cracki> maybe don't make vulcanoes go off and maybe switch your coal power plants for nuclear
2020-03-13T19:18:46 < Laurenceb> holy shit i've just found the cure for covid-19
2020-03-13T19:18:53 < Laurenceb> not sure if I want to share it
2020-03-13T19:19:15 < specing> Laurenceb: death?
2020-03-13T19:19:18 < Cracki> liberal bumper stickers?
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2020-03-13T19:20:12 < Cracki> terrorism wins if you live in fear of the virus... but also if you welcome it in the front door
2020-03-13T19:20:16 < Laurenceb> boots own brand anti-malaria pills
2020-03-13T19:20:20 < Laurenceb> inb4 they all sell out
2020-03-13T19:21:08 < Laurenceb> its based on Chloroquine, which works according to pubmed
2020-03-13T19:21:28 < Cracki> divide your relatives into 60+ and younger ones. lock the 60+ers up at home with some milk bones to chew on for a month, the others can continue living
2020-03-13T19:21:45 < Laurenceb> inb4 everyone buys them
2020-03-13T19:21:56 < Laurenceb> oh wait normies are too dumb to read pubmed
2020-03-13T19:21:59 < Cracki> wat, malaria meds?
2020-03-13T19:22:02 < Laurenceb> yes
2020-03-13T19:22:06 < Cracki> how does that work against coronavirus
2020-03-13T19:22:15 < Cracki> gief link
2020-03-13T19:22:51 < jpa-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloroquine#SARS-CoV-2  old news
2020-03-13T19:22:57 < Steffanx> This news is like oold
2020-03-13T19:24:10 < Cracki> good, then this stuff is gonna be available to hospitals to give to sick people
2020-03-13T19:24:16 < Cracki> or isn't it
2020-03-13T19:24:39 < jpa-> well, before clinical trials they won't just give it for fun
2020-03-13T19:24:56 < jpa-> perhaps in severe cases
2020-03-13T19:25:10 < jpa-> but might be too late to give then
2020-03-13T19:25:41 < Cracki> its side effects in general, and for specific other illnesses, seem to be documented
2020-03-13T19:26:04 < Steffanx> So get you and your babies COVID-19 and start those trials Laurenceb  
2020-03-13T19:30:06 < Laurenceb> jpa-: yeah but in uk anyone can get it over counter
2020-03-13T19:30:56 < Laurenceb> how will coronavirus recover from this
2020-03-13T19:37:51 < Cracki> some other antiviral https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oseltamivir#Resistance
2020-03-13T19:40:07 < qyx> PaulFertser: tried googling first, how to recompile kernel only? make target/linux/clean; make?
2020-03-13T19:40:26 < qyx> it is superslow
2020-03-13T19:40:59 < PaulFertser> qyx: it won't be recompiling whatever's already compiled. So I'd expect your command to do the right thing.
2020-03-13T19:41:06 < karlp> yeah, it is...
2020-03-13T19:41:07 < PaulFertser> Building full kernel ain't fast
2020-03-13T19:41:15 < Laurenceb> where we're going we dont need no doctors
2020-03-13T19:41:25 < qyx> it is buildonging other things too
2020-03-13T19:41:25 < Laurenceb> read pubmed and make ur own medicine
2020-03-13T19:41:39 < karlp> make target/linux/{clean,compile} 
2020-03-13T19:41:58 < karlp> but this is the yuk parts of openwrt.
2020-03-13T19:42:12 < Laurenceb> but will coronavirus make the patriarchy more powerful?
2020-03-13T19:42:21 < Laurenceb> and how does it intersect with gender
2020-03-13T19:42:29 < PaulFertser> qyx: it's printing but not actually wasting too much time on building
2020-03-13T19:44:03 < jadew> Laurenceb, people knew about that drug since a month and a half ago
2020-03-13T19:44:21 < jadew> it's probably long sold out
2020-03-13T19:45:32 < Cracki> or being produced and sale controlled
2020-03-13T19:45:56 < aandrew> most people don't need any antiviral
2020-03-13T19:46:10 < aandrew> just the super old and weak, and it's likely those will need to be hospitalized because they'll need ventilation anyway
2020-03-13T19:47:26 < jadew> aandrew, they recommend that drug for mild to serious cases
2020-03-13T19:49:25 < qyx> PaulFertser: [    0.388493] mt7620-pci 10140000.pcie: PCIE0 no card, disable it(RST&CLK)
2020-03-13T19:49:28 < qyx> \o/
2020-03-13T19:51:25 < qyx> so perst and refclk is missing, lets change pinmux too
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2020-03-13T20:14:55 < Laurenceb> my gender identity is covid-19
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2020-03-13T21:11:32 < jadew> our president has named a new PM, and it's a guy who is in isolation at the moment
2020-03-13T21:15:17 < qyx> so after enabling pcie, the board generates considerably more heat
2020-03-13T21:15:28 < qyx> refclk still not working
2020-03-13T21:24:24 < Steffanx> So hows Hamilton holding up?
2020-03-13T21:24:44 < Steffanx> Got some real Iranian Insider news for us?
2020-03-13T21:24:50 < Hamilton> Steffanx, still alive...
2020-03-13T21:25:04 < Hamilton> Steffanx, I'm the only iranian around these parts seems like
2020-03-13T21:25:19 < Steffanx> Yeah for sure
2020-03-13T21:25:37 < Steffanx> Is half of Iran sick in bed yet?
2020-03-13T21:25:58 < Hamilton> Steffanx, half? lol no
2020-03-13T21:26:01 < Hamilton> But Corona-chan is very pleased in its visit here
2020-03-13T21:26:21 < Hamilton> Steffanx, You frequent 4chan? (/cvg/) ?
2020-03-13T21:26:28 < Steffanx> Not at all
2020-03-13T21:26:42 < Steffanx> Not ever, Hamilton 
2020-03-13T21:27:02 < Hamilton> Well I check /cvg/ and /pol/ recently...they're quite funny and interesting
2020-03-13T21:27:12 < Steffanx> Nah thanks
2020-03-13T21:27:16 < Hamilton> Steffanx, How many cases in Iceland?
2020-03-13T21:27:27 < Steffanx> Idk. I'm from dutchland
2020-03-13T21:28:25 < Hamilton> Steffanx, Have you heard of the meme running around about "Beware the ides of March" ? 
2020-03-13T21:29:01 < Steffanx> Doesnt ring a bell
2020-03-13T21:30:28 < PaulFertser> qyx: good progress!
2020-03-13T21:31:37 < Steffanx> More heat isnt progress. It means more energy is wasted :P
2020-03-13T21:31:50 < Steffanx> Unless you actually planned to use it as a heater
2020-03-13T21:32:00 < qyx> no more ideas, it cannot detect the card
2020-03-13T21:33:38 < PaulFertser> qyx: have you tried 'scoping the signals?
2020-03-13T21:33:52 < PaulFertser> Probably some more (or better) pinmuxing is needed.
2020-03-13T21:34:07 < specing> Iran is going to be okay, given that you don't have that many old people
2020-03-13T21:34:10 < specing> Italy is fucked
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2020-03-13T21:43:15 < Hamilton> specing, The main problem is overloading the hospitals for ventilators...If that would be the case, I guess everywhere except Japan or Nordics would have a bad time
2020-03-13T21:43:52 < specing> why except those two?
2020-03-13T21:43:59 < specing> Japan has really old population as well
2020-03-13T21:44:06 < Hamilton> specing, good hospital per 1k
2020-03-13T21:44:26 < Hamilton> *number of hospitals per 1k
2020-03-13T21:45:06 < Hamilton> I wonder how did China manage this shit? If this virus is this viral, even having a single untreated case returns the numbers to the pandemic again...
2020-03-13T21:45:15  * qyx pulling out 60MHz scope to check PCI-e
2020-03-13T21:45:40 < jpa-> maybe the masks really help!
2020-03-13T21:50:20 < Cracki> maybe a combination of the asian custom of wearing a mask if _you_ are sick, house arrest, strict hygiene, disinfecting public spaces, some "experimental" medicine, or maybe it has infected everyone and _that_ few developed the illness
2020-03-13T21:50:23 < Hamilton> jpa-, Well some chinese official said that the virus is actually airborne 
2020-03-13T21:50:38 < Cracki> if you cough/sneeze, it is "airborne" in droplets
2020-03-13T21:50:56 < Cracki> translations lose some meaning
2020-03-13T21:51:10 < Hamilton> Cracki, not just droplets. I mean I think I remember that it stays in air
2020-03-13T21:51:25 < jpa-> there is plenty of officials saying incorrect stuff also
2020-03-13T21:51:30 < Cracki> so that means air out any closed rooms
2020-03-13T21:51:34 < Cracki> that too
2020-03-13T21:51:59 < Cracki> and if it's airborne, I would guess that daylight UV kills it soon enough
2020-03-13T21:52:24 < Hamilton> Cracki, The real question is how is the cases so low in india and africa
2020-03-13T21:52:41 < Cracki> the numbers of how long it can survive on surfaces can go high, in good conditions. it is destroyed quickly under some other conditions
2020-03-13T21:52:52 < Cracki> indians are used to germs?
2020-03-13T21:53:08 < Cracki> africa has no reporting infrastructure, or isn't that densely populated yet, or the same as india?
2020-03-13T21:53:52 < Cracki> look at the most developed countries in africa. you'll get numbers from those
2020-03-13T21:54:00 < jpa-> can also be related to the amount of tourism
2020-03-13T21:54:01 < Cracki> and those numbers progress as expected
2020-03-13T21:54:04 < jpa-> and business travel
2020-03-13T21:54:16 < Hamilton> Cracki, Corona-chan don't need no reporting infra. It broadcasts with people droping dead and scary bodies stacked in cemetries
2020-03-13T21:54:19 < jpa-> the less wealthy the country, the less people travel abroad
2020-03-13T21:54:27 < Cracki> lol yes business travel. Lao Yang traveled to africa in 2011.
2020-03-13T21:55:42 < Cracki> also maybe lack of testing capacity
2020-03-13T21:56:06 < Cracki> or "he died of something, tragic, NEXT!"
2020-03-13T21:56:36 < qyx> it survives in air for about 3 hours
2020-03-13T21:56:38 < Cracki> or their population pyramid is still a pyramid, so very few old people
2020-03-13T21:56:44 < qyx> citation needed though
2020-03-13T21:56:50 < qyx> I read it today, some paper
2020-03-13T21:57:12 < qyx> 24h on porous materials, up to 72h on plastics and metals
2020-03-13T21:57:16 < Cracki> "citation needed" is more of a redditism than a wikipedoism
2020-03-13T21:58:18 < Cracki> >In the Kenyan capital Nairobi, authorities banned all major public events and said they would restrict foreign travel.https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-spreads-african-countries-200313153229327.html
2020-03-13T21:59:02 < Cracki> so they're willing to get ahead of this, unlike some european countries that don't deserve to be honored with a mention
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2020-03-13T22:02:53 < kakimir> so I installed https://gitlab.com/DavidGriffith/minipro/-/tree/master
2020-03-13T22:03:21 < kakimir> I have hard time finding documentation to add a chip
2020-03-13T22:03:32 < Hamilton> Cracki, jpa-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pshp3uZzHTw
2020-03-13T22:03:37 < kakimir> anyone played with this? source code is your documentation?
2020-03-13T22:04:18 < jpa-> "high concentrations of droplets in the air in a relatively closed environment for a long time."
2020-03-13T22:04:35 < jpa-> not surprising, next prove that it is actually a practically significant vector
2020-03-13T22:05:07 < qyx> no refclk :(
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2020-03-13T22:05:28 < jpa-> also, wtf kind of plumbing do they have if virus from feces is getting spread into the air?
2020-03-13T22:06:23 < Cracki> Hamilton, "have admitted that... could be one possible..."
2020-03-13T22:06:31 < Cracki> that is three modifiers
2020-03-13T22:06:48 < Cracki> -> sure, can't be ruled out, but that's it
2020-03-13T22:07:25 < Cracki> aerosol means droplets, "high concentration of droplets in the air" (0:41)
2020-03-13T22:07:55 < Hamilton> jpa-, 4chan happooners say that it can spread through farts
2020-03-13T22:07:59 < Cracki> well feces... you flush your toilet, that isn't laminar flow even without a log in the way
2020-03-13T22:08:14 < Cracki> because farts are funny
2020-03-13T22:08:46 < Cracki> allow me to demonstrate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsPJa_lVPHQ
2020-03-13T22:09:47 < Cracki> there was one episode/movie where they got annihilated because some people (in story) found this distasteful
2020-03-13T22:10:08 < jpa-> "airborne disease" is also a flexible term because it can be anything from common cold (get sneezed at) to anthrax (bacteria spores flying around for hours)
2020-03-13T22:11:21 < Cracki> the distinction is moot. air can be contaminated and stay contaminated for a while.
2020-03-13T22:11:56 < Cracki> it's important to know that one single virus isn't enough to make you sick
2020-03-13T22:12:38 < jpa-> what if you are very lucky?
2020-03-13T22:14:04 < Cracki> confetti and and party horns
2020-03-13T22:15:14 < Cracki> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimal_infective_dose
2020-03-13T22:15:52 < Steffanx> Where is the virus in that story?
2020-03-13T22:19:41 < Cracki> some numbers for a mouse "model" and MERS: 10^3, 10^5, 10^6 "plague forming units" (non-defective virus particles) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5869108/
2020-03-13T22:20:46 < Cracki> and that doesn't say how this was presented to the body/model (intravenous, filtered through airways?)
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2020-03-13T22:44:45 < kakimir> anyone used minipro?
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2020-03-13T23:10:19 < kakimir> https://paste.ee/p/wW5H3 entry looks like this
2020-03-13T23:11:18 < Laurenceb> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.07002
2020-03-13T23:11:21 < Laurenceb> interdasting
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2020-03-13T23:18:54 < kakimir> you are investigating blimp shaker now?
2020-03-13T23:18:59 < Steffanx> lol i dont even have a clue what that is about Laurenceb
2020-03-13T23:19:20 < Laurenceb> perodactyls
2020-03-13T23:19:26 < Laurenceb> or however you spell it
2020-03-13T23:19:32 < Laurenceb> kakimir: yeah lol
2020-03-13T23:19:35 < kakimir> it's about how sheet like stuff acts in fluid flow Steffanx
2020-03-13T23:19:57 < kakimir> oscillation modelling or something
2020-03-13T23:20:13 < Laurenceb> >Surprisingly, we find that all cases that exhibit large (but
2020-03-13T23:20:13 < Laurenceb> physically reasonable) deflections converge to states of steady deflection
2020-03-13T23:21:06 < Laurenceb> if you can tolerate the fatigue then you can just let things flutter it seems
2020-03-13T23:21:50 < kakimir> that is the case when edges of the sheet are fixed in place?
2020-03-13T23:21:55 < Laurenceb> I did actually find a paper on multiphysics pterodactyl wings
2020-03-13T23:21:57 < Laurenceb> yeah
2020-03-13T23:22:25 < Laurenceb> to stop all flutter the tension has to be crazy high
2020-03-13T23:22:28 < kakimir> it's true
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2020-03-13T23:22:52 < Laurenceb> several times the dynamic pressure force if the whole sheet was edge on to the wind
2020-03-13T23:24:31 < kakimir> you are working on farage balloons?
2020-03-13T23:24:40 < kakimir> bring meme to reality
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2020-03-13T23:27:30 < mawk> what do dutch people do with toilet paper Steffanx 
2020-03-13T23:27:34 < mawk> I couldn't buy it
2020-03-13T23:27:43 < mawk> then I tried on the AH website, they say it's too busy
2020-03-13T23:27:50 < mawk> I'll try tomorrow in the morning when they restock the stores
2020-03-13T23:28:20 < Steffanx> Apparently they are doign what the aussies were doing
2020-03-13T23:28:26 < mawk> yeah but why
2020-03-13T23:28:31 < mawk> eat it ?
2020-03-13T23:28:45 < Steffanx> COVID-19 HAMSTEREN
2020-03-13T23:28:45 < mawk> also I'm out of meds again
2020-03-13T23:28:48 < mawk> lol
2020-03-13T23:29:27 < Steffanx> hm
2020-03-13T23:29:32 < mawk> I insulted the addiction center lady
2020-03-13T23:29:37 < mawk> I hope she doesn't write it on my record
2020-03-13T23:29:44 < Steffanx> lol why would you even do that
2020-03-13T23:29:52 < mawk> cuz she wouldn't give me my meds
2020-03-13T23:29:59 < kakimir>  mawk is going to raid some stores soon
2020-03-13T23:29:59 < mawk> she said "wait monday sorry, the doc is gone"
2020-03-13T23:30:03 < Steffanx> i guess she had a very good reason for that.
2020-03-13T23:30:10 < mawk> "how am I going to go through the weekend ? you want me to go out and buy heroin ?"
2020-03-13T23:30:14 < mawk> "- not my problem, sorry"
2020-03-13T23:30:17 < mawk> then I insulted her
2020-03-13T23:30:21 < Steffanx> True story :P
2020-03-13T23:30:46 < kakimir> you can do it mawn
2020-03-13T23:30:51 < kakimir> mawk
2020-03-13T23:30:53 < mawk> I bought some joints again
2020-03-13T23:30:57 < Steffanx> Why dont you go out and get new stuff when you know you'll run out... sooner?
2020-03-13T23:30:57 < mawk> to go through the weekend
2020-03-13T23:31:05 < mawk> cuz I couldn't
2020-03-13T23:31:13 < mawk> I need the magic prescription
2020-03-13T23:31:16 < mawk> only they can give it to me
2020-03-13T23:31:26 < kakimir> what are you addicted to? subutex?
2020-03-13T23:31:28 < mawk> and they delayed and delayed the meeting with the doc
2020-03-13T23:31:35 < mawk> until the day the doc is gone, right before weekend
2020-03-13T23:31:38 < mawk> methadone kakimir 
2020-03-13T23:31:46 < mawk> it's not really addicted to when it's a medication
2020-03-13T23:31:54 < mawk> also methadone does strictly nothing, it has such a long half-life
2020-03-13T23:31:58 < mawk> you only notice it when it's gone
2020-03-13T23:32:01 < mawk> then it's very hard
2020-03-13T23:32:44 < kakimir> most of addiction treatment seems to be just replacing addiction to illegal drug to legal drug though
2020-03-13T23:32:57 < mawk> well I guess it's true for some people
2020-03-13T23:33:05 < mawk> that never taper it off
2020-03-13T23:33:09 < mawk> but it's not the common case
2020-03-13T23:33:15 < Steffanx> I guess you got bitten by SARS-CoV-2 in another way mawk 
2020-03-13T23:33:17 < mawk> these center incitate people to go down on the dose
2020-03-13T23:33:27 < mawk> well first toilet paper yes
2020-03-13T23:33:38 < mawk> then I'm sick since yesterday, maybe it's the scary virus, I don't know
2020-03-13T23:33:43 < mawk> feels a bit like flu
2020-03-13T23:33:47 < Steffanx> sick as in .. 
2020-03-13T23:33:48 < Steffanx> ohno
2020-03-13T23:33:56 < mawk> but I can't distinguish it much from withdrawals, that doesn't help
2020-03-13T23:34:15 < Steffanx>  /!\ COVID-19 ALERT /!\
2020-03-13T23:34:18 < mawk> lol
2020-03-13T23:34:35 < Steffanx> Now you can stay home and see the doctor on monday
2020-03-13T23:34:36 < mawk> I will survive
2020-03-13T23:34:36 < kakimir> covid-19 + heroine withdrawal
2020-03-13T23:34:47 < kakimir> combo master
2020-03-13T23:34:51 < mawk> yes Ill infect the doctor on monday
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2020-03-13T23:34:56 < Steffanx> because the government told you to not go to work when you feel sick
2020-03-13T23:35:01 < mawk> but he doesn't even speak english, he'll just nod and sign the prescription
2020-03-13T23:35:06 < mawk> I hope at least
2020-03-13T23:35:13 < mawk> until they figure out my medical insurance is expired since 3 months
2020-03-13T23:35:16 < Steffanx> im still not sure how that even works.. a doctor that does not speak english
2020-03-13T23:35:19 < Steffanx> i'd find a new doctor
2020-03-13T23:35:23 < mawk> I bought a new one, but it's there in 8 days
2020-03-13T23:35:24 < Steffanx> who doesnt speak english
2020-03-13T23:35:26 < kakimir> he already flew to Madagascar
2020-03-13T23:35:29 < Steffanx> or .. at least a little
2020-03-13T23:35:29 < mawk> lol
2020-03-13T23:35:34 < mawk> it's addiction doctor, it's hard to find
2020-03-13T23:35:38 < Steffanx> ah
2020-03-13T23:35:49 < mawk> I can't be picky, this med is life or death
2020-03-13T23:35:57 < Steffanx> Hows your gfs dutch going? Better get her to learn dutch faster
2020-03-13T23:36:02 < mawk> or rather something that allows normal life, like getting out and earn money
2020-03-13T23:36:12 < mawk> building up vocabulary lol
2020-03-13T23:36:18 < mawk> but the pronunciation is not there yet for her
2020-03-13T23:36:33 < Steffanx> Did you go for the curse words first?
2020-03-13T23:37:19 < mawk> yes
2020-03-13T23:37:24 < mawk> kankerhoer
2020-03-13T23:38:01 < Laurenceb> I got an emergence sms a while ago
2020-03-13T23:38:08 < mawk> what did it say
2020-03-13T23:38:13 < Laurenceb>  "covid-19 outbreak imminent!!"
2020-03-13T23:38:22 < Laurenceb> with lots of instructions
2020-03-13T23:38:26 < mawk> lol
2020-03-13T23:38:52 < mawk> iphone ?
2020-03-13T23:39:09 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR0lOtdvqyg
2020-03-13T23:39:22 < karlp> doh, tme rejects my czech shipping address.
2020-03-13T23:39:34 < mawk> czech ?
2020-03-13T23:39:36 < mawk> did you move ?
2020-03-13T23:39:51 < mawk> Laurenceb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXIetP5iak
2020-03-13T23:39:54 < mawk> it's your PM
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2020-03-13T23:41:16 < karlp> mawk: nah, have been using tiptrans.com to consolidate shipping to iceland
2020-03-13T23:41:24 < mawk> a
2020-03-13T23:41:25 < Laurenceb> >far right watch
2020-03-13T23:41:30 < Laurenceb> not sure if ironic
2020-03-13T23:41:33 < karlp> iceland has per parcel handling fees that make small packkages very expensive
2020-03-13T23:41:38 < Laurenceb> >all Tory videos
2020-03-13T23:41:42 < Laurenceb> yeah its ironic
2020-03-13T23:41:56 < Steffanx> So hows the hamstering going mawk?
2020-03-13T23:42:11 < mawk> what hamster
2020-03-13T23:42:15 < Steffanx> No toilet paper, but.. 
2020-03-13T23:42:20 < mawk> https://translate.google.fr/#view=home&op=translate&sl=nl&tl=fr&text=hamsteren
2020-03-13T23:42:24 < mawk> "thésaurisation" in french
2020-03-13T23:42:29 < mawk> I don't even know that word loo
2020-03-13T23:42:31 < mawk> lol
2020-03-13T23:42:32 < Steffanx> HAMSTEREN. like the other crazy dutch
2020-03-13T23:42:43 < mawk> hamster is guinea pig
2020-03-13T23:43:21 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_XjXfPXyME
2020-03-13T23:43:45 < Steffanx> Hoarding. Mawk
2020-03-13T23:44:07 < mawk> ah
2020-03-13T23:44:09 < mawk> well I don't do it
2020-03-13T23:44:12 < mawk> since I'm a good citizen
2020-03-13T23:44:14 < Steffanx> Yet
2020-03-13T23:44:17 < mawk> lol
2020-03-13T23:44:22 < mawk> I'll just take showers
2020-03-13T23:44:27 < mawk> instead of using toilet paper
2020-03-13T23:44:31 < mawk> but I'm trying to order online at AH and the site is blocked
2020-03-13T23:44:34 < Steffanx> A good citizen or just naive?
2020-03-13T23:44:41 < mawk> :(
2020-03-13T23:44:44 < mawk> a very good citizen
2020-03-13T23:45:02 < mawk> toilet paper isn't vital
2020-03-13T23:45:24 < kakimir>  toilet paper reflects the comforts
2020-03-13T23:45:38 < Steffanx> Except when the centre lady refuses to help you mawk ;)
2020-03-13T23:45:43 < mawk> lol
2020-03-13T23:45:45 < mawk> I think she didn't hear me
2020-03-13T23:45:56 < mawk> and it's not really about help and so on
2020-03-13T23:45:56 < Steffanx> And it was in French I bet
2020-03-13T23:46:02 < kakimir> "as long as I get my ass wiped I can act everything is normal"
2020-03-13T23:46:03 < mawk> lol no in english
2020-03-13T23:46:05 < mawk> "FUCK YOU !!!"
2020-03-13T23:46:07 < Steffanx> Awh
2020-03-13T23:46:21 < Steffanx> French curse words sound friendlier
2020-03-13T23:46:22 < mawk> it was on the phone
2020-03-13T23:46:27 < mawk> "VA TE FAIRE ENCULER !!!"
2020-03-13T23:46:42 < mawk> it's like "fuck you" but by the rear door
2020-03-13T23:47:16 < mawk> if a cancer doctor refuses to give chemotherapy because he's on vacation and tell "ask again monday" it's not right
2020-03-13T23:47:20 < Steffanx> Nothing wrong with a back door lover right?
2020-03-13T23:47:24 < mawk> lol
2020-03-13T23:47:29 < mawk> here it's the same kind of situation, it's a vital med
2020-03-13T23:47:43 < mawk> I'd rather get covid-19 than run out of meds
2020-03-13T23:48:26 < Steffanx> Are you sure?
2020-03-13T23:48:31 < mawk> yes
2020-03-13T23:48:39 < Steffanx> Very sure?
2020-03-13T23:48:42 < mawk> yes yes
2020-03-13T23:49:06 < mawk> I wouldn't wish the feeling of running ouf ot it on everyone
2020-03-13T23:49:10 < Steffanx> What if the COVID-19 is lethal, for you?
2020-03-13T23:49:16 < mawk> why would it be
2020-03-13T23:49:20 < mawk> I'm a healthy young man
2020-03-13T23:49:23 < mawk> in the flower of the age
2020-03-13T23:49:42 < qyx> ealthy?
2020-03-13T23:49:47 < qyx> dying without meds?
2020-03-13T23:49:47 < Steffanx> What if you happen to have an unknown condition?
2020-03-13T23:50:01 < Steffanx> What if :P
2020-03-13T23:50:09 < mawk> what if an asteroid strikes me right now !
2020-03-13T23:50:17 < Steffanx> Yeah I know right 
2020-03-13T23:50:18 < antto> KOPOHA Bupyc
2020-03-13T23:50:22 < mawk> not dying qyx don't worry
2020-03-13T23:50:29 < mawk> some other meds can kill you if you don't take them tho
2020-03-13T23:50:33 < mawk> alcohol, benzodiazepines, barbiturics
2020-03-13T23:50:34 < Steffanx> Cyka blyat antto 
2020-03-13T23:50:36 < mawk> all the GABAergics
2020-03-13T23:50:42 < PaulFertser> Are you supposed to be able to get off methadone ever?
2020-03-13T23:50:47 < qyx> mediatek is killing me atm
2020-03-13T23:50:47 < mawk> yes
2020-03-13T23:50:58 < PaulFertser> Takes years?
2020-03-13T23:50:59 < mawk> I already went from 80 to 60 PaulFertser 
2020-03-13T23:51:01 < mawk> yss
2020-03-13T23:51:08 < mawk> it's been 4 years to get 20mg down
2020-03-13T23:51:19 < kakimir> I would rather have yet widely unresearched novel virus to give me disease of lifetime than live without my meds - not addicted
2020-03-13T23:51:40 < mawk> it's not "live without my meds", it's "endure the withdrawal", kakimir 
2020-03-13T23:51:44 < mawk> it's not a psychological thing
2020-03-13T23:51:46 < Steffanx> Ohno, kakimir is on meds too.
2020-03-13T23:51:57 < Steffanx> Wasnt the waffle care package enough?
2020-03-13T23:52:00 < PaulFertser> mawk: still better be on therapy like that than risk taking street shit?
2020-03-13T23:52:06 < kakimir> it was the worst steff
2020-03-13T23:52:13 < kakimir> I felt so unwell
2020-03-13T23:52:33 < mawk> of course PaulFertser , methadone is pharmaceutical quality, very long high life so does no high at all, gets followed by a doctor, is very non-toxic, and so on and so on
2020-03-13T23:52:40 < mawk> the greatest side effect is constipation
2020-03-13T23:52:43 < Steffanx> What if I put you in a 1x1m box for a few weeks mawk?
2020-03-13T23:52:49 < Steffanx> Just some water and bread
2020-03-13T23:52:52 < mawk> lol
2020-03-13T23:52:59 < mawk> you might want to sell that idea to the us army
2020-03-13T23:53:03 < mawk> great means of torture
2020-03-13T23:53:26 < PaulFertser> Cold turkey
2020-03-13T23:53:46 < Steffanx> The only way
2020-03-13T23:53:55 < mawk> the worst way
2020-03-13T23:54:02 < mawk> relapse is very high with that "method"
2020-03-13T23:54:06 < mawk> it's not a method at all
2020-03-13T23:54:19 < Steffanx> Not if I keep you in the box a bit longer
2020-03-13T23:54:30 < mawk> when I try to buy on ah.nl it redirects to https://www.ah.nl/mededeling
2020-03-13T23:54:32 < mawk> can't buy anything
2020-03-13T23:54:44 < qyx> and what is ah.nl
2020-03-13T23:54:51 < mawk> a store
2020-03-13T23:54:58 < qyx> k
2020-03-13T23:54:58 < mawk> albert heijn
2020-03-13T23:55:03 < mawk> our friend albert, feeding the dutch
2020-03-13T23:55:09 < PaulFertser> But if it gives no high at all, why are there chances for relapse in that case?
2020-03-13T23:55:34 < mawk> methadone is never the primary drug, methadone is a substituanyt
2020-03-13T23:55:40 < mawk> the primary drug will be heroin, whatever
2020-03-13T23:56:03 < mawk> and so without proper medical control there will be strong psychological withdrawal years after the cold turkey quitting
2020-03-13T23:56:10 < Steffanx> So time to visit ah early tomorrow mawk
2020-03-13T23:56:14 < mawk> yes
2020-03-13T23:56:15 < PaulFertser> :(
2020-03-13T23:56:31 < PaulFertser> Wishing you best of luck mawk 
2020-03-13T23:56:48 < qyx> I am still missing pcie clk
2020-03-13T23:56:51 < mawk> thanks
2020-03-13T23:56:53 < qyx> and my reset is low
2020-03-13T23:56:59 < qyx> and my rfkill too
2020-03-13T23:57:18 < PaulFertser> rfkill shouldn't prevent pci enumeration anyhow
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2020-03-13T23:59:52 < qyx> what about the pcie phy?
--- Day changed Sat Mar 14 2020
2020-03-14T00:00:07 < qyx> I found SOCs having a SPI controlled PHY
2020-03-14T00:00:22 < qyx> bud this doesn't look like i
2020-03-14T00:00:23 < qyx> t
2020-03-14T00:02:10 < PaulFertser> idk. I'd probably try copying not just &pcie entry but also &pcie0 entry with mt76 driver from e.g. dts/mt7628an_cudy_wr1000.dts just to see if it makes any difference.
2020-03-14T00:03:22 < PaulFertser> I'd also start reading the SoC datasheet to understand more about how to use its pcie.
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2020-03-14T00:27:49 < kakimir> any minipro related channels?
2020-03-14T00:30:09 < Steffanx> as in the programmer?
2020-03-14T00:30:23 < Steffanx> Try to find a some oldguy irc channel then :P
2020-03-14T00:34:08 < Steffanx> L
2020-03-14T00:39:45 < m4t> #proghq
2020-03-14T00:39:54 < m4t> more open source oriented
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2020-03-14T00:41:39 < upgrdman> weird. i put taskmanager on my second monitor. when i play gta-v, GPU usage is 1-2% ... wtf. i wonder if their anti-cheat shit hides things from the OS?
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2020-03-14T00:50:41 < englishman> all the grocery stores were fully stocked except for old people food
2020-03-14T00:50:48 < englishman> only Costco is a problem apparently
2020-03-14T00:51:17 < englishman> old people food being: butter, canned peas, ground medium beef
2020-03-14T00:55:25 < qyx> PaulFertser: re rfkill, asserting rfkill for a WWAN modem disconnects it even from the USB
2020-03-14T01:03:47 < englishman> I saw something cool today
2020-03-14T01:03:54 < englishman> a "manual" CMOS sensor
2020-03-14T01:04:30 < englishman> a device that scans a mirror over an area so each "pixel" can be captured by a photodiode and tia/adc
2020-03-14T01:04:49 < englishman> maybe even a charge accumulator idk
2020-03-14T01:05:01 < englishman> it was weird
2020-03-14T01:05:34 < englishman> the advantage is 10 kW/cm² power density with 60um "pixels"
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2020-03-14T01:26:09 < upgrdman> tia == ?
2020-03-14T01:26:15 < qyx> maximum input power density?
2020-03-14T01:26:18 < qyx> upgrdman: transimpedance amp
2020-03-14T01:26:24 < upgrdman> k
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2020-03-14T01:34:42 < englishman> qyx: max input power 25kW
2020-03-14T01:36:11 < karlp> lame, kicad design rules don't let me specify clearance to diff pairs.
2020-03-14T01:36:54 < englishman> 60x60mm
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2020-03-14T02:05:25 < kakimir> china internets not working too well
2020-03-14T02:05:40 < kakimir> downloading programmer software 18MB
2020-03-14T02:05:59 < kakimir> estimate 1-24hours
2020-03-14T02:06:18 < kakimir> oh wow 101days
2020-03-14T02:06:36 < kakimir> it's like 56k modem
2020-03-14T02:09:41 < Ultrasauce> http://omae.wa.mou.shindei.ru/music/doodles/35.ogg shameless self-musicspam
2020-03-14T02:25:10 < karlp> right, last steps. shield to ground connectons for the host side...
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2020-03-14T02:47:42 < karlp> ok, I think it'ðs just silk then...
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2020-03-14T02:50:42 < Ultrasauce> got a bit of a liðp there
2020-03-14T02:54:24 < kakimir> how bad it is if I did device self test with chip connected?
2020-03-14T02:54:33 < kakimir> target chip in socket
2020-03-14T03:08:36 < jadew> for those of you who can't find TP: https://survivalschool.us/top-10-things-wipe-ass-woods/
2020-03-14T03:17:17 < jadew> romania is at 95 detected cases
2020-03-14T03:22:59 < jadew> my prediction is that by the end of this month, there'll be about 20k dead
2020-03-14T03:24:26 < jadew> and unless really serious measures are taken, more than 250k by the end of the following month
2020-03-14T03:26:57 < Thorn> regional media in Russia has been reporting numbers of patients with flu, respiratory infections and pneumonia (I don't recall such level of interest in the past years). the numbers are increasing despite early spring
2020-03-14T03:27:24 < jadew> it's probably the wuhan flu
2020-03-14T03:29:15 < jadew> I expect the number of deaths per day to start to decrease in Italy in one or two weeks, but they'll start picking up everywhere else
2020-03-14T03:30:25 < sync> is that a problem tho? 
2020-03-14T03:30:53 < jadew> sync, which part?
2020-03-14T03:34:18 < doomba> thoughts on using a 470mf supercap to power a g0?
2020-03-14T03:34:33 < doomba> anyone tried using supercaps for really low power blinkies?
2020-03-14T03:34:52 < jadew> how fast does that thing discharge itself?
2020-03-14T03:34:59 < doomba> i don't know
2020-03-14T03:38:05 < jadew> jeez... you can buy a 3000 F one
2020-03-14T03:38:18 < sync> jadew: lots of dead people
2020-03-14T03:38:50 < doomba> yea
2020-03-14T03:39:05 < doomba> i was watching vids earlier of people making banks of them to replace car batteries lol
2020-03-14T03:39:11 < Thorn> well in Iran they're digging trenches
2020-03-14T03:39:16 < jadew> sync, if you or someone close to you is among them, sure
2020-03-14T03:39:47 < doomba> but i'm wondering if a small smt one 0.47F would be doable to power a g0 if it was sleeping 95% of the time
2020-03-14T03:39:55 < jadew> Thorn, they might end up doing that everywhere
2020-03-14T03:40:01 < doomba> just in powerdown mode to keep the status registers and rtc
2020-03-14T03:40:21 < doomba> and they charge up really quick
2020-03-14T03:40:48 < doomba> i wonder how fast it would discharge when the chip spins up and is lighting an oled tho
2020-03-14T03:41:50 < englishman> Ultrasauce: i'd click except i saw .ogg
2020-03-14T03:43:09 < Ultrasauce> sorry my encoding respects your freedom
2020-03-14T03:49:03 < englishman> ty tho it was trippy
2020-03-14T03:49:46 < Thorn> musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbBU06irWT8
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2020-03-14T03:54:06 < englishman> good 1
2020-03-14T03:57:25 < Thorn> reporting from Italian quarantine zone https://www.instagram.com/marzio_toniolo/?hl=en
2020-03-14T04:00:55 < jadew> in artsy pictures?
2020-03-14T04:01:10 < englishman> currently entering romania https://i.imgur.com/fLYQJTp.jpg
2020-03-14T04:05:00 < sync> no, not really jadew
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2020-03-14T04:50:19 < aandrew> https://twitter.com/CucumberTonic/status/1238492191628156929
2020-03-14T05:08:54 < Thorn> advanced modern C++, 23 lectures, Russian https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3BR09unfgcgJPQZKaacwzGmcXMtEA-19
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2020-03-14T06:15:39 < R2COM> so i had to buy paper towel for like legit reasons, and suddenly saw its not available anywhere, then i found out that  population is mass buying paper towels and toilet paper cuz of corona virus...
2020-03-14T06:15:56 < R2COM> i was of a higher opinion about population in this country
2020-03-14T06:16:11 < R2COM> how uneducated and stupid people are
2020-03-14T06:16:21 < R2COM> like..how is toilet paper going to protect them against virus?
2020-03-14T06:22:06 < jadew> R2COM, they're buying everything they need so they don't have to go out and expose themselves to the danger of catching it
2020-03-14T06:22:50 < R2COM> but then it means they need to buy 100kg of fruits, vegetables, water, meat, seeds (to plant own food), and tons of other shit
2020-03-14T06:22:51 < jadew> this thing is going to last for months, so it kinda make sense to want to reduce the number of trips you have to make to the supermarket
2020-03-14T06:23:02 < jadew> R2COM, they probably did
2020-03-14T06:23:08 < R2COM> no they didnt wtf 
2020-03-14T06:23:14 < R2COM> how much fgood can ONE fridge hold?
2020-03-14T06:23:22 < R2COM> if you overbuy its gonna get spoiled
2020-03-14T06:23:37 < R2COM> no residential house is prepared for long term  "no-coming-out" scenario
2020-03-14T06:24:00 < R2COM> but all shit is available, its just these stupid sheeple created shortage specifically for toilet paper
2020-03-14T06:24:02 < R2COM> LoL
2020-03-14T06:24:08 < R2COM> toilet
2020-03-14T06:24:10 < R2COM> paper...
2020-03-14T06:24:30 < jadew> it's the same all over the world
2020-03-14T06:24:37 < R2COM> no not all over world
2020-03-14T06:24:43 < R2COM> and as i said most people are just dumb
2020-03-14T06:24:50 < R2COM> basic hygiene is all you need
2020-03-14T06:24:52 < jadew> people bought a number of essential items, and that was one of them
2020-03-14T06:25:04 < jadew> I guess stores are not that well stocked, because it's voluminous
2020-03-14T06:25:22 < R2COM> americans are so stupid, they eat greezy chips with hands and never wash hands
2020-03-14T06:25:42 < jadew> R2COM, wouldn't it be worse if they didn't wipe their ass either?
2020-03-14T06:26:26 < jadew> if the hysteria was misplaced, stocks will replenish soon
2020-03-14T06:26:33 < R2COM> dude...
2020-03-14T06:26:36 < R2COM> i dont wipe my ass
2020-03-14T06:26:38 < R2COM> i wash it
2020-03-14T06:26:48 < jadew> without wiping first?
2020-03-14T06:26:51 < R2COM> its not hygienic to wipe ass
2020-03-14T06:26:56 < jadew> (I think we had this convo before lol)
2020-03-14T06:26:58 < R2COM> wipe, wash , wipe
2020-03-14T06:27:02 < R2COM> but
2020-03-14T06:27:09 < R2COM> 99.9% of americans only wipe
2020-03-14T06:27:14 < R2COM> they dont wash
2020-03-14T06:27:31 < jadew> so... it's good they got toilet paper? :)
2020-03-14T06:27:52 < jadew> I think stocks will be replenished soon tbh
2020-03-14T06:27:56 < R2COM> but why to buy WAY more thgan you need and  create shortage so that people who really need it cannot buy7?
2020-03-14T06:28:54 < jadew> R2COM, because if they buy everything early, they don't have to mingle later on between people who could be sick
2020-03-14T06:29:06 < R2COM> they will ming ANYWAY
2020-03-14T06:29:26 < R2COM> just overbuying 1 item does not in ANY WAY improve your situation
2020-03-14T06:29:29 < R2COM> not at all
2020-03-14T06:29:32 < R2COM> anyway
2020-03-14T06:29:51 < R2COM> 320mln people living here are really stupid
2020-03-14T06:30:09 < jadew> I really think the TP issue is related to volume
2020-03-14T06:30:31 < jadew> and if everyone bought only 3 times how much they usually buy, it would still be the same situation
2020-03-14T06:31:30 < R2COM> ...
2020-03-14T06:31:31 < jadew> stores have probably optimized their space to only accommodate moderate spikes in TP demand
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2020-03-14T08:05:30 < m4t> nah ppl are just dumb
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2020-03-14T08:58:43 < Cracki> huge exercise in game theory
2020-03-14T08:59:04 < Cracki> if everyone acts irrational, you're fucked if you don't
2020-03-14T08:59:58 < Cracki> shops should be so blunt and ration things. around here they've always had disclaimers like "only quantities common to households"
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2020-03-14T09:00:23 < Cracki> you buy tp? you get a pack per person and a stamp on the wrist
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2020-03-14T09:40:45 < dongs> i was just at some random local store they have 100s of rolls of tp
2020-03-14T09:40:47 < dongs> and nobody buying
2020-03-14T09:45:53 < Cracki> local phenomenon
2020-03-14T09:46:12 < Cracki> tell them to move everything but three packs back into store. people will lose their minds.
2020-03-14T09:46:47 < Cracki> the best a shop can do is keep shelves stocked to the brim.
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2020-03-14T11:20:54 < Steffann> How much toilet paper do you want mawk : https://www.instagram.com/p/B9r7Er4pUaT/
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2020-03-14T12:05:37 < invzim> jap style toilet ftw :)
2020-03-14T12:10:25 < Cracki> they're sold out, you have to use a garden hose now
2020-03-14T12:16:07 < Steffann> So this Dell laptop has physical buttons below the touch pad. But those buttons also have touch functionality. So when i press that button i often double click since it registers both events. There seems no way to disable the touch functionality -_-
2020-03-14T12:16:45 < Steffann> Can someone fire that employee that came up with that idea (probably someone at Alps Alpine)
2020-03-14T12:22:44 < Steffann> And the real reason why we all need more toilet paper: https://www.adweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/pornhub-insights-corona-virus-traffic-country.jpg
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2020-03-14T12:47:48 < invzim> I dislike pretty much every laptop !=lenovo
2020-03-14T12:48:55 < invzim> starting a new job in May (unless they withdraw the offer) and hope they don't have some retarded HP policy
2020-03-14T12:49:27 < Steffanx> lenovo war einmal...
2020-03-14T12:50:30 < invzim> Still hang onto my t430s with i7 that I found at an ee-recycling station :)
2020-03-14T12:56:38 < Steffanx> im not into dumpster diving.
2020-03-14T12:58:35 < specing> invzim: nice find
2020-03-14T13:03:54 < invzim> this is years ago and it was still in warranty, zero defects - most likely put there by mistake
2020-03-14T13:06:08 < specing> kek
2020-03-14T13:06:25 < specing> yeah, I cry thinking how many good working machines are put to waste every day
2020-03-14T13:14:47 < Steffanx> i bet the previous owner had lunix installed on it.
2020-03-14T13:16:23 < specing> doubt it
2020-03-14T13:16:32 < antto> can anyone toss me some svd from a stm32 chip (or other arm cortex M chip) ?
2020-03-14T13:16:36 < invzim> government organization, win7 :)
2020-03-14T13:17:15 < specing> antto: they are on stm's site
2020-03-14T13:17:33 < antto> i bet they are
2020-03-14T13:17:37 < Steffanx> https://www.st.com/resource/en/svd/stm32f7_svd.zip for antto
2020-03-14T13:17:44 < Steffanx> because you are such friendly guy
2020-03-14T13:17:58 < Steffanx> replace f7 with any family and download them all
2020-03-14T13:19:03 < Steffanx> note: They're not entirely error-free
2020-03-14T13:19:09 < antto> 10-q Steffanx
2020-03-14T13:26:04 < antto> my parser did not complain so far
2020-03-14T13:27:10 < antto> interesting.. only 6 levels deep and no clusters used
2020-03-14T13:27:32 < Steffanx> Did you use Haksell?
2020-03-14T13:27:44 < Steffanx> or Ada?
2020-03-14T13:27:56 < antto> no, what for?
2020-03-14T13:28:04 < Steffanx> The parser.. duh
2020-03-14T13:28:15 < antto> it's C++
2020-03-14T13:28:21 < zyp> antto, I haven't looked at those files in particular, but I'm of the impression that they are not very well grouped, is that right?
2020-03-14T13:28:47 < antto> zyp i don't know.. i hate xml so i'm not really eyeballing the contents
2020-03-14T13:29:37 < zyp> what do you mean by no clusters?
2020-03-14T13:29:41 < Steffanx> What has XML done to you?
2020-03-14T13:29:46 < antto> but i made a basic parser which is able to walk-around the whole XML and print the context to a text file with indentation, and also prints some simple starts like, how many times an element occurs on a given level, sorted
2020-03-14T13:29:47 < zyp> Steffanx, existed
2020-03-14T13:29:59 < antto> xml is h0rr0r
2020-03-14T13:30:00 < Steffanx> So Zyp is on his way back to his home country because the government asked him to do so?
2020-03-14T13:30:07 < zyp> lol no
2020-03-14T13:30:27 < antto> zyp SVD allows for clusters which can contain any combination of registers/clusters
2020-03-14T13:31:13 < zyp> I see
2020-03-14T13:31:50 < antto> the elements peripheral, register, cluster, and field, are allowed to have attribute "derivedFrom"
2020-03-14T13:32:06 < antto> but so far i see this used directly on the peripheral (gud for me)
2020-03-14T13:32:17 < zyp> Steffanx, that the outbreak is hitting norway hard at the moment is a pretty bad reason to make me go home
2020-03-14T13:32:34 < zyp> «hey, please come home and get infected»
2020-03-14T13:34:46 < zyp> statistically it looks like it'd make more sense to extend the trip and stay longer
2020-03-14T13:35:00 < Steffanx> heh
2020-03-14T13:35:51 < zyp> happy I went last weekend though
2020-03-14T13:36:01 < zyp> had I booked a week later, the trip would have been cancelled
2020-03-14T13:37:55 < antto> zyp, http://paste.debian.net/1134893/
2020-03-14T13:38:22 < antto> this is the stats my parser spits out
2020-03-14T13:40:09 < zyp> uh, ok
2020-03-14T13:40:40 < zyp> not sure how to read that
2020-03-14T13:40:53 < zyp> and it doesn't really matter, I'm not that interested
2020-03-14T13:40:54 < antto> the first line is a legend ;P~
2020-03-14T13:41:18 < zyp> oh, ok
2020-03-14T13:41:18 < doomba>   -> SEGGER J-Link software may only be used with original SEGGER products and authorized OEM products.
2020-03-14T13:41:19 < doomba>   -> The use of the licensed software to operate SEGGER product clones is prohibited and illegal.
2020-03-14T13:41:27 < doomba> ur all goin' ta jail
2020-03-14T13:41:40 < antto> not me doomba
2020-03-14T13:41:51 < zyp> me neither
2020-03-14T13:42:04 < Steffanx> Im dead.
2020-03-14T13:42:06 < antto> i haz the DAP
2020-03-14T13:42:28 < antto> stupid hexchat autocorrects my intentional "teh" >:/
2020-03-14T13:42:40 < Steffanx> Eggcellent.
2020-03-14T13:42:49 < Steffanx> Good tool is good.
2020-03-14T13:46:02 < antto> zyp, peripheral:1:attr -----> 33 ... this means that the element "peripheral" on level 1 with attributes appears 33 times
2020-03-14T13:47:03 < antto> "name" appears on all levels besides level 5
2020-03-14T13:48:19 < antto> with this stats i can easily tell if there are nested sh*t like clusters on levels 3 and 4 means "yes"
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2020-03-14T13:49:28 < Mangy_Dog> Anyone else here used FT810 BT81* embedded graphics before?
2020-03-14T13:49:55 < Mangy_Dog> im getting the feeling only me :p but i need to brain storm so umm need to talk to som eone else who knows the chip
2020-03-14T13:53:09 < zyp> probably only you
2020-03-14T13:53:28 < Mangy_Dog> nods
2020-03-14T13:53:36 < Mangy_Dog> thought as muh
2020-03-14T13:53:37 < Mangy_Dog> much
2020-03-14T13:53:55 < zyp> what's the issue?
2020-03-14T13:54:12 < Mangy_Dog> well its a few issues really
2020-03-14T13:54:17 < Mangy_Dog> but like i say brainstorming
2020-03-14T13:54:40 < Mangy_Dog> one issue is, it draws data on the lcd screen via a stripped down opengl command set
2020-03-14T13:54:46 < Mangy_Dog> which on one hand is great
2020-03-14T13:54:54 < Mangy_Dog> but its limited to 2048 commands per draw
2020-03-14T13:55:13 < Mangy_Dog> in the past ive been able to get away with doing a fair amount with that. but one issue is text.
2020-03-14T13:55:46 < Mangy_Dog> while in code its 1 comman to send a string of text... it actually gets broken down to multiple commands in that 2048 command strema.
2020-03-14T13:55:47 < Mangy_Dog> stream
2020-03-14T13:55:52 < Mangy_Dog> one command per character
2020-03-14T13:56:10 < antto> https://i.imgur.com/AN2ah6U.mp4
2020-03-14T13:56:11 < Mangy_Dog> so if i wanted to draw a paragraph of text or something... i qould quickly run out of commands
2020-03-14T13:56:45 < Mangy_Dog> kitty likes fetch :D
2020-03-14T13:56:49 < Mangy_Dog> awwwww
2020-03-14T13:57:17 < Mangy_Dog> the other issue is asset storage...
2020-03-14T13:58:03 < Mangy_Dog> the normal way to add asses is to convert them into a file and put it on the sd card The file is for the most part just a binary, but you add a header to read and assign the assets...
2020-03-14T13:58:25 < Mangy_Dog> i want to change this so i can store multiple sets of assets on a flash chip
2020-03-14T13:59:02 < Mangy_Dog> im 100% sure it can be done its just not nativily suported in teh current library... ill need to trick the library into reading from the flash chip in certain conditiosn
2020-03-14T13:59:07 < Mangy_Dog> or
2020-03-14T13:59:24 < Mangy_Dog> i need to come up with a way to make th flash chip fat and just transfer the files over
2020-03-14T14:00:02 < Mangy_Dog> and tell the code to access this chip as if it was a sd card
2020-03-14T14:02:52 < antto> https://i.imgur.com/8o1V64Z.mp4
2020-03-14T14:03:16 < Mangy_Dog> lol
2020-03-14T14:03:20 < Mangy_Dog> arse plant
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2020-03-14T14:24:49 < Steffanx> lol i just posted that in the stm32 telegram, antto :P
2020-03-14T14:24:52 < Steffanx> the cat dog
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2020-03-14T14:41:18 < antto> tele-wat
2020-03-14T14:43:19 < antto> aww bruh.. the stm SVD has $newline in some of the text
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2020-03-14T15:52:30 < Mangy_Dog> hay i have a techy question,  winbond 64 Mb flash is 8MB, for some silly reason i had it in my head it was actuall 4MB.... Anyway if i ran some kind of fat system on it... Through one of the common libraries. What over heads are there? Will it still be a full 8MB or would i loose some?  im assuming the file table must take up some space but no idea how much
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2020-03-14T15:55:47 < specing> Mangy_Dog: make a virtual 8MB fat fs on your computer and see
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2020-03-14T15:56:32 < Mangy_Dog> im assuming it will
2020-03-14T15:56:51 < Mangy_Dog> but the fat fs on a pc is going to be differen to something thats designed to be embedded
2020-03-14T15:56:55 < Mangy_Dog> different
2020-03-14T15:57:08 < Steffanx> Nah, the FS wont be that much of a difference.
2020-03-14T15:57:19 < Thorn> spi flash (no builtin wear leveling) + FAT = not the best idea
2020-03-14T15:57:33 < Mangy_Dog> its not regular writeing
2020-03-14T15:58:17 < specing> Mangy_Dog: there are multiple FAT filesystem
2020-03-14T15:58:22 < specing> 16 bit, 24 bit, 32 bit etc
2020-03-14T15:58:29 < specing> use the 16 bit one
2020-03-14T15:58:52 < Mangy_Dog> the idea im having is this, Its for my embedded graphics system for embedded UI... And at boot up the program checks to see if a SD card is inserted, if it detects it, it compares the files on the sd card and whats in the flash chip. and updates the flash chip to mirror the sd card... Its not a regular event and would only happen at update times
2020-03-14T15:59:05 < Mangy_Dog> speccing im assuming 16bit as well
2020-03-14T15:59:17 < specing> oh, there is a 12bit version as well
2020-03-14T15:59:24 < specing> mount -t fat -o fat=12
2020-03-14T15:59:31 < Mangy_Dog> im in windows
2020-03-14T15:59:35 < specing> Use Linux
2020-03-14T16:00:07 < Mangy_Dog> i dont want to have to fish out one of my spare pis just to test this...
2020-03-14T16:00:29 < specing> mkfs.fat -F 12
2020-03-14T16:00:46 < specing> Mangy_Dog: Install it on your main computer
2020-03-14T16:00:53 < Mangy_Dog> ...
2020-03-14T16:01:25 < Steffanx> just ignore him.
2020-03-14T16:01:27 < specing> /dev/loop1                     8164         0      8164   0% /mnt/test
2020-03-14T16:01:29 < specing> fat12
2020-03-14T16:01:41 < specing> 28 KB lost to metadata?
2020-03-14T16:02:02 < Mangy_Dog> 28KB is actually quire a lot
2020-03-14T16:02:05 < Mangy_Dog> quite
2020-03-14T16:02:26 < Steffanx> Time to invent your own FS time.
2020-03-14T16:02:35 < Steffanx> *then
2020-03-14T16:03:01 < specing> you could also use CBFS - coreboot filesystem
2020-03-14T16:03:08 < specing> it is literaly designed for 8MB flash
2020-03-14T16:03:36 < Steffanx> Do you actually need a proper file system or would a random binary blob work just as well Mangy_Dog?
2020-03-14T16:04:17 < Steffanx> but then you probably have to do your own tools to actually write to the sd card
2020-03-14T16:04:26 < Mangy_Dog> tbh im not sure... I originally thought I could get away with just  filling the flash with a binary of the asset files 
2020-03-14T16:04:47 < Mangy_Dog> but it looks like the gameduino library im working with is very much geared towards reading file names off fat
2020-03-14T16:05:04 < Thorn> Mangy_Dog: look at game asset pack formats, such as Doom WAD etc.
2020-03-14T16:05:18 < Thorn> they're simpler than FAT and have lower overhead
2020-03-14T16:05:45 < Mangy_Dog> and im not entirely sure how to stream data to the memory of the graphic chip manually
2020-03-14T16:05:58 < Thorn> or say .zip without compression
2020-03-14T16:06:32 < Mangy_Dog> thorn the system isnt built around that
2020-03-14T16:06:42 < Mangy_Dog> thats my point... im not sure how to adapt it to anything other than what its built around
2020-03-14T16:06:54 < Thorn> build a better system
2020-03-14T16:07:06 < Mangy_Dog> again.... im not sure how 
2020-03-14T16:07:08 < Mangy_Dog> or if i can
2020-03-14T16:07:47 < Steffanx> YES YOU CAN \O/
2020-03-14T16:08:02 < Mangy_Dog> i also didnt want to have to go into full 100% from new system because i dont really have the time to build something from scratch
2020-03-14T16:08:24 < Mangy_Dog> steff well yes i probably can if i gave myself the 6 months to the year it would take
2020-03-14T16:09:17 < mawk> send me toilet paper Steffanx 
2020-03-14T16:09:26 < mawk> I bought some on AH.nl this morning but next delivery slot is in 6 days
2020-03-14T16:10:29 < Steffanx> Just go to the fucking store lol.
2020-03-14T16:10:34 < mawk> but I went
2020-03-14T16:10:34 < Steffanx> sorry, language.
2020-03-14T16:10:36 < mawk> it's empty
2020-03-14T16:10:37 < Steffanx> ok :P
2020-03-14T16:10:38 < mawk> all of them
2020-03-14T16:10:41 < Steffanx> here it isnt
2020-03-14T16:10:42 < mawk> I did 3 stores
2020-03-14T16:10:51 < mawk> which pretty much the number of stores in delfrt
2020-03-14T16:10:53 < mawk> delft*
2020-03-14T16:10:53 < Mangy_Dog> yeah none of the shops near here have loo roll :p
2020-03-14T16:11:08 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1238529108780384258
2020-03-14T16:11:10 < Steffanx> the people mania, gotta love it
2020-03-14T16:11:49 < Steffanx> What does he say Thorn?
2020-03-14T16:11:52 < Mangy_Dog> were ok for another week... before we run out D:
2020-03-14T16:11:54 < Mangy_Dog> then
2020-03-14T16:11:59 < Mangy_Dog> its washing cloths time
2020-03-14T16:12:02 < Steffanx> Everything is fine or .. no need to hoard, there is enough etc etc. Thorn?
2020-03-14T16:12:20 < Thorn> Steffanx: just anti-Trump propaganda
2020-03-14T16:13:04 < Steffanx> because that's what happens here "no need to hoard, there is enough bla bla" . 
2020-03-14T16:13:22 < Steffanx> and that has nothing to do with the USSR
2020-03-14T16:17:21 < Steffanx> ohm
2020-03-14T16:27:11 < Thorn> russian PM: "coronavirus situation in Europe is critical"
2020-03-14T16:28:37 < specing> He's not wrong
2020-03-14T16:32:10 < Steffanx> He's far from wrong. At least in dutchland it's getting pretty critical
2020-03-14T16:32:11 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/GXS2jBu.png
2020-03-14T16:32:12 < bitmask> spinnies!
2020-03-14T16:42:00 < karlp> thanks for the Ultrasauce music spamz :)
2020-03-14T16:49:35 < karlp> specing: heh, we implemented fat12 for an embedded systems course in uni
2020-03-14T16:50:03 < kakimir> hybrid influencing is at full steam
2020-03-14T16:52:18 < kakimir> boys from east at least
2020-03-14T16:52:38 < kakimir> other parties may be involved
2020-03-14T16:53:19 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S8NlGwZ3MBsE-SZ92woDZeJKMrYu5JlD/view?usp=sharing does anyone know how to drive this thing?
2020-03-14T16:53:28 < kakimir> I think some of these settings may be wrong
2020-03-14T17:03:33 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fCzdeA61PUpFMoSNhjJNmoDh76n2kOcL/view?usp=sharing here are the settings
2020-03-14T17:04:29 < Cracki> another starlink mission from spacex, t - 22h https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVuS4IS2Kvs
2020-03-14T17:07:40 < kakimir> what do you think about using lower melting point solder for ie. soldering flash ic?
2020-03-14T17:08:54 < Ultrasauce> use a dip socket
2020-03-14T17:09:07 < kakimir> eh..
2020-03-14T17:11:09 < kakimir> if I made a design that needed easily replaceable flash I would use sub-board with 2.54mm pin row
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2020-03-14T17:36:46 < kakimir> okay I read the data from flash and compared it to original file
2020-03-14T17:36:58 < kakimir> 30% mismatch
2020-03-14T17:37:04 < Steffanx> ohno
2020-03-14T17:37:25 < kakimir> I think I need to get a new flash ic
2020-03-14T17:37:50 < kakimir> I used pretty excessive heat and also did device self test with flash connected
2020-03-14T17:38:09 < kakimir> nothing has ever died though
2020-03-14T17:38:12 < kakimir> with heat
2020-03-14T17:38:40 < kakimir> one possibility is signal integrity as the flash chip doesn't have any cache read thing
2020-03-14T17:39:09 < kakimir> this particular chip
2020-03-14T17:48:57 < specing> kakimir: rerun the verification and see if it is the same bytes?
2020-03-14T18:03:25 < Steffanx> What are you even up to mr kakimir?
2020-03-14T18:05:04 < kakimir> verification stops to first mismatch
2020-03-14T18:05:50 < kakimir> first things first I order a pile of nand chips
2020-03-14T18:05:53 < Steffanx> i mean why you are doing all of this. Whats the plan with the NAND
2020-03-14T18:06:22 < kakimir> idk.
2020-03-14T18:06:48 < Steffanx> -_-
2020-03-14T18:06:48 < kakimir> couple of months ago I didn't know anything about parallel nand
2020-03-14T18:07:11 < kakimir> now I know even how to emulate nand
2020-03-14T18:07:26 < kakimir> that type of thing
2020-03-14T18:07:37 < kakimir> but unbricking some iot I have is the plan
2020-03-14T18:07:51 < Steffanx> emulate.. didnt you just rebuild some entire nand flash chip (interface) in logic ICs?
2020-03-14T18:08:07 < kakimir> no I'm waiting to get fpga board
2020-03-14T18:08:20 < kakimir> then I start learning how usb works
2020-03-14T18:08:27 < kakimir> logical
2020-03-14T18:08:50 < kakimir> projects spawning projects
2020-03-14T18:08:58 < kakimir> no project is ever finished
2020-03-14T18:09:15 < Steffanx> and then world domination?
2020-03-14T18:09:36 < kakimir> indeed.
2020-03-14T18:13:27 < kakimir> how does the spare area work in nand?
2020-03-14T18:13:49 < kakimir> ecc engine of flash doesn't do anything with it right?
2020-03-14T18:15:15 < kakimir> so I assume if there is errors in the main data area
2020-03-14T18:15:29 < kakimir> nand controller or nand driver does something with spare area?
2020-03-14T18:17:35 < kakimir> spare area is not large enough to store flipped bit locations though
2020-03-14T18:18:30 < kakimir> so I assume it's all used for parity data then or something
2020-03-14T18:19:21 < Ultrasauce> afaik the approach varies but just marking good/bad pages is typical
2020-03-14T18:20:23 < Ultrasauce> and getting any fancier than that gets very nontrivial very quickly
2020-03-14T18:20:23 < invzim> one nand thingie I was looking at used the security/spare space for hamming code
2020-03-14T18:20:33 < invzim> caluclated by host
2020-03-14T18:20:39 < kakimir> so just flag storage?
2020-03-14T18:20:40 < Ultrasauce> i read somewhere that the controller firmware for an intel ssd is half a million lines of code
2020-03-14T18:22:21 < kakimir> a lot of it is not core functionality
2020-03-14T18:23:15 < kakimir> housekeeping tasks and optimizing
2020-03-14T18:23:32 < kakimir> and trying to figure out wtf host wants
2020-03-14T18:24:24 < englishman> they have big controller ICS those ssds
2020-03-14T18:25:06 < kakimir> software is where you can get ahead for "free"
2020-03-14T18:25:19 < kakimir> instead of adding raw performance
2020-03-14T18:26:13 < Ultrasauce> i imagine jffs2 or something has some decent design documentation
2020-03-14T18:26:24 < englishman> "it's only software" is a good attitude imo
2020-03-14T18:26:33 < englishman> it's just code
2020-03-14T18:26:41 < englishman> nothing special
2020-03-14T18:26:47 < kakimir> aah so filesystem deals with the spare area?
2020-03-14T18:26:59 < Ultrasauce> that one in particular is designed for raw flash
2020-03-14T18:27:11 < kakimir> in area where filesystem is applied
2020-03-14T18:27:51 < kakimir> when controller is in boot mode I assume spare area is not used for anything?
2020-03-14T18:28:18 < kakimir> if uncorrectable error then uncorrectable error
2020-03-14T18:35:08 < Steffanx> You are incorrectable, kakimir
2020-03-14T18:35:18 < Steffanx> *un
2020-03-14T18:35:24 < kakimir> thanks for trying though
2020-03-14T18:36:34 < Steffanx> Sorry, my native language kicked in.
2020-03-14T18:37:17 < Steffanx> Will you be alright kakimir?
2020-03-14T18:37:45 < kakimir> idk. I don't know what that is
2020-03-14T18:38:25 < Steffanx> Same
2020-03-14T18:41:05 < kakimir> maybe this is alright
2020-03-14T18:42:30 < kakimir> yeah
2020-03-14T18:43:20 < kakimir> unless you are absolutely f'ed you are alright..
2020-03-14T18:44:26 < kakimir> it's easily forgotten
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2020-03-14T18:59:00 < kakigate> what do you have in your mouser/digikey/lcsc.txt file?
2020-03-14T18:59:24 < kakigate> or cloud memo
2020-03-14T19:07:38 < englishman> found a product with AD8300
2020-03-14T19:07:46 < englishman> we have been buying 1k/year of this since 2003
2020-03-14T19:07:58 < englishman> for an output with 1% precision at like 20Hz
2020-03-14T19:08:16 < englishman> shit sure has come a long way
2020-03-14T19:19:07 < kakigate> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Single-mode-SC-UPC-1-8-1x8-1-to-8-Module-Fiber-Optical-PLC-Splitter/252956746954 what are these used for?
2020-03-14T19:19:17 < kakigate> I mean you cannot just split ethernet right?
2020-03-14T19:20:07 < qyx> wat
2020-03-14T19:20:21 < qyx> they are used for passive FO
2020-03-14T19:20:26 < qyx> GPON and such
2020-03-14T19:23:03 < kakigate> ah
2020-03-14T19:23:12 < kakigate> nothing for home players right
2020-03-14T19:24:48 < Steffanx> Why not?
2020-03-14T19:24:53 < Steffanx> If you have a purpose for it.
2020-03-14T19:25:08 < Steffanx> You have a purpose for nand emulation, so.. why not that? :P
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2020-03-14T19:34:41 < kakigate> you cannot see purpose for nand emulator?
2020-03-14T19:34:49 < kakigate> instantly have your build booted up
2020-03-14T19:35:56 < Cracki> is it gonna talk to a host for everything or will it have local ram
2020-03-14T19:36:07 < Steffanx> Will it be faster than regular NAND kakigate?
2020-03-14T19:36:14 < Steffanx> otherwise it wont be "instant" 
2020-03-14T19:36:16 < kakigate> Steffanx: certainly possible
2020-03-14T19:37:08 < Steffanx> but will it be
2020-03-14T19:37:49 < Steffanx> i know you have to start somewhere ;)
2020-03-14T19:38:18 < kakigate> faster erase and program at least
2020-03-14T19:38:58 < kakigate> sequential read performance too
2020-03-14T19:39:16 < kakigate> random page read maybe
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2020-03-14T19:40:26 < kakigate> I think page read time of nand parallel chip is something like 100us
2020-03-14T19:40:36 < kakigate> wait time
2020-03-14T19:40:38 < Steffanx> where will the data be stored?
2020-03-14T19:40:43 < kakigate> host
2020-03-14T19:40:58 < kakigate> + buffered in fpga for sequential read
2020-03-14T19:40:58 < Steffanx> oh you will go USB or something?
2020-03-14T19:41:09 < kakigate> usb3.0 definitelly
2020-03-14T19:44:06 < kakigate> I would use pcie but connecting target would be annoying
2020-03-14T19:48:51 < bitmask> stupid question, how do you swap direction of current flow based on the output of a 555 timer
2020-03-14T19:49:52 < Ultrasauce> H-bridge
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2020-03-14T19:54:15 < bitmask> k
2020-03-14T19:59:17 < Ultrasauce> depending on the application a half-bridge and a capacitor might work, or two low side drivers and pullup resistors, etc
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2020-03-14T20:22:23 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nORMOZaBv8Y
2020-03-14T20:22:46 -!- Maya-sama is now known as Miyu
2020-03-14T20:23:50 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: hey, how are you doing?
2020-03-14T20:24:37 < BrainDamage> still bored and lonely
2020-03-14T20:24:43 < BrainDamage> health is fine
2020-03-14T20:25:28 < Steffanx> So all people are supposed to say in their homes or .. can you still go to work?
2020-03-14T20:25:35 < Steffanx> (maybe not you, but the average italian_
2020-03-14T20:25:36 < Steffanx> )
2020-03-14T20:26:15 < BrainDamage> you can go to work, you can buy groceries and you can go to the doctor
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2020-03-14T20:26:30 < BrainDamage> you can take a walk/jog provided you have no contact with anyone
2020-03-14T20:26:30 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: being bored and lonely is not healthy afaict, heh. Oh, are you going to work, not working from home?
2020-03-14T20:27:08 < BrainDamage> if you're around the police can stop you and they'll record the reason you're around
2020-03-14T20:27:18 < BrainDamage> if the reason is false, you risk penal consequences
2020-03-14T20:27:31 < Steffanx> I wouldnt be surprised if dutchland will be the same soon
2020-03-14T20:27:43 < PaulFertser> This all seems to be making sense given the medical system overload...
2020-03-14T20:28:21 < BrainDamage> well intellectual work is priviledged that it doesn't require a lot of physical interaction
2020-03-14T20:28:28 < BrainDamage> "we lucky few"
2020-03-14T20:28:54 < BrainDamage> a lot of service industry is plain stopped
2020-03-14T20:29:00 < PaulFertser> Were you going to pubs or something like that often before they all closed?
2020-03-14T20:29:05 < BrainDamage> yes
2020-03-14T20:29:14 < BrainDamage> multiple times per week
2020-03-14T20:29:35 < Steffanx> I got the idea that wasnt just for the social interaction(s)
2020-03-14T20:29:59 < BrainDamage> that is true, but believe or not, it was mostly social interaction
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2020-03-14T20:30:17 < Steffanx> :)
2020-03-14T20:30:35 < BrainDamage> you only seen the worst, due to observation bias
2020-03-14T20:30:41 < jpa-> finland is not even locked down yet and i'm already getting bored
2020-03-14T20:30:43 < PaulFertser> Heh, I didn't think you're a type of person with such an active social life. Guess I'm just too biased judging based on my own behaviour, heh.
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2020-03-14T20:31:26 < Steffanx> what changed jpa-?
2020-03-14T20:31:50 < jpa-> a lot of the stuff that's easy and relaxing to do with a child such as going to playgrounds or shopping or library or swimming hall etc. is more or less "not recommended" now
2020-03-14T20:31:54 < Steffanx> Going from depressed to bored seems like a step forward.
2020-03-14T20:32:03  * PaulFertser has spent most of the winter "self-isolating". Just because there's nowhere to go and nothing to do.
2020-03-14T20:32:24 < Cracki> vitamin D pills for everyone!
2020-03-14T20:32:31 < jpa-> Steffanx: i've actually been mostly not depressed for almost a year now, but bored & depressed kind of goes hand-in-hand for me - i'm not bored if i have energy to do things
2020-03-14T20:32:35 < qyx> playgrounds are in "your own risk" mode here
2020-03-14T20:32:38 < qyx> no libraries, no swimming
2020-03-14T20:32:52 < Cracki> I wonder if solarium is still ok to visit. all the UV should make it safer than the average place.
2020-03-14T20:33:07 < qyx> restaurants are still opened, but they are considering closing all except food/grocery stores
2020-03-14T20:33:16 < Steffanx> Does corona survive in water with chlorine for long?
2020-03-14T20:33:17 < qyx> and drug stores of course
2020-03-14T20:33:29 < Steffanx> *SARS-CoV-2
2020-03-14T20:33:30 < jpa-> Cracki: i thought the lack of UVC was supposed to make solariums safer than sunbathing, but that wouldn't help for viruses :)
2020-03-14T20:33:59 < jpa-> Steffanx: probably not, but the dressing rooms and showers might be good places to catch it
2020-03-14T20:35:15 < Cracki> I think I read just a few days ago, about one end of the UVC spectrum being easier on the skin but being just as effective against viruses... so maybe whatever UVA/UVB they use in a solarium would close enough too?
2020-03-14T20:35:58 < jpa-> Steffanx: as for depression, a somewhat large part of it is the lack of distinction between work place & home, thus making it difficult to take break of stress.. that's kind of getting worse now
2020-03-14T20:36:44 < Cracki> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-21058-w
2020-03-14T20:36:46 < Steffanx> Yeah, I would totally get in trouble with that too. I need that distinction.
2020-03-14T20:37:18 < Steffanx> Somehow I got every good at turning of the work state after i leave the office.
2020-03-14T20:37:49 < Steffanx> I mean after the driving home. Then work is done.
2020-03-14T20:37:53 < Steffanx> *drive
2020-03-14T20:37:58 < jpa-> i never knew i needed it before i no longer had it - and took a long time to realize even then; and now my lifestyle / scheduling has become kind of dependent on working from home
2020-03-14T20:38:40 < Steffanx> oops
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2020-03-14T20:39:25 < englishman> someone at work who is self-isolating after coming back from .ch
2020-03-14T20:39:33 < jpa-> i also never knew what the trouble was with having same kind of things as hobby as i do for work, until now that the distinction is missing
2020-03-14T20:39:41 < englishman> means that the big party we were planning for tonight is cancel
2020-03-14T20:39:43 < englishman> led
2020-03-14T20:40:01 < jadew> jpa-, that's the problem with doing what you love
2020-03-14T20:40:19 < jadew> you eventually stop enjoying it, but I found that I still enjoy it if I do it for myself
2020-03-14T20:40:32 < englishman> jpa- have you ever read the book one hundred years of solitude
2020-03-14T20:40:37 < Steffanx> no deadlines, no nothing. That's when it's just a hobby.
2020-03-14T20:40:48 < englishman> (google autosuggested one hundred years of waffels)
2020-03-14T20:40:55 < Steffanx> Whoa.
2020-03-14T20:40:59 < jpa-> englishman: i haven't
2020-03-14T20:41:12 < englishman> recommended
2020-03-14T20:41:14 < Steffanx> If you eat the as fast as kakimir did, then you need ALOT of them englishman
2020-03-14T20:41:22 < Steffanx> *them
2020-03-14T20:41:33 < jpa-> maybe i'll warez it and read it now that i have nothing else to do anyway
2020-03-14T20:41:41 < englishman> good idea
2020-03-14T20:41:48 < kakimir> my diet failed
2020-03-14T20:41:55 < Steffanx> kakimir will die due to a bad case of instant diabetus soon
2020-03-14T20:42:16 < Steffanx> Was the book written by a finnisher?
2020-03-14T20:42:19 < kakimir> I was getting close to 70kg mark
2020-03-14T20:42:33 < englishman> kakimir: you are missing out on farm kittens by not being on telegram
2020-03-14T20:42:33 < kakimir> now I don't even want to go to scale
2020-03-14T20:42:48 < kakimir> I'm on telegram though
2020-03-14T20:43:18 < jadew> Romania has entered emergency state too, btw
2020-03-14T20:43:29 < jadew> but it's unclear what that means
2020-03-14T20:43:30 < Steffanx> you only had like < 100 cases?
2020-03-14T20:43:32 < englishman> well wtf dude pm me your nick or whatever telegay uses
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2020-03-14T20:43:50 < Steffanx> he can just search for "stm32"  and join the pro channel
2020-03-14T20:43:53 < Steffanx> isnt it semi public?
2020-03-14T20:44:11 < englishman> idk how telegay works it's too millenial for me
2020-03-14T20:44:26 < Steffanx> did you know the messages are even publicly available on the webs?
2020-03-14T20:44:53 < kakimir> i don't know how to even find you englishman
2020-03-14T20:45:02 < englishman> I assumed all chats are public or at least faxed directly to putin
2020-03-14T20:45:09 < jadew> Steffanx, we're at 113 now
2020-03-14T20:45:17 < jadew> mainly people from Italy
2020-03-14T20:45:33 < jadew> but a couple that got infected by people who lied about where they've been too
2020-03-14T20:45:59 < kakimir> I cannot even find stm32
2020-03-14T20:46:06 < kakimir> 2512 subscribers?
2020-03-14T20:46:54 < Steffanx> I messaged you a message kakimir
2020-03-14T20:46:58 < mawk> i'm dying Steffanx 
2020-03-14T20:47:00 < mawk> I have fever now
2020-03-14T20:47:02 < mawk> come save me
2020-03-14T20:47:04 < mawk> (bring toilet paper)
2020-03-14T20:47:08 < boddax> maybe they are romanian back from ---italy
2020-03-14T20:47:17 < Steffanx> lol, fever due to no drugs?
2020-03-14T20:47:27 < jadew> boddax, they are
2020-03-14T20:47:27 < kakimir> steff: I doubt
2020-03-14T20:47:57 < kakimir> how do you even message someone with this? how to even find someone?
2020-03-14T20:48:02 < PaulFertser> englishman: a nice book indeed!
2020-03-14T20:48:08 < Steffanx> i mean on irc, kakimir
2020-03-14T20:48:12 < jpa-> here in finland they've requested data from mobile phone operators of people who have been abroad and are sending text messages suggesting self-guarantine
2020-03-14T20:48:14 < boddax> mostly of people in good healt are out from covid-19 in 5 or 6 days
2020-03-14T20:48:16 < englishman> idk either kakimir
2020-03-14T20:48:28 < englishman> indeed paul
2020-03-14T20:48:41 < kakimir> all I open is russian or indian chats
2020-03-14T20:48:44 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: are you kidding, are you too is among of those not having read it?
2020-03-14T20:48:44 < Steffanx> i guess i should read it too now.
2020-03-14T20:48:51 < mawk> maybe Steffanx, but it never gave me fever before
2020-03-14T20:48:54 < mawk> only cluster headache
2020-03-14T20:48:55 < boddax> smokers and old people sadly have problems
2020-03-14T20:48:59 < mawk> which is stil very painf
2020-03-14T20:49:01 < mawk> ul
2020-03-14T20:49:17 < Steffanx> Im sure i didnt read it PaulFertser
2020-03-14T20:49:23 < mawk> what about e-smokers
2020-03-14T20:49:35 < englishman> even worse
2020-03-14T20:49:40 < mawk> :((
2020-03-14T20:49:41 < jadew> e-smokers drop dead at first contact with covid-19
2020-03-14T20:49:51 < Steffanx> SARS-CoV-2 you mean
2020-03-14T20:49:57 < jadew> yes
2020-03-14T20:49:59 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: well, if you're strictly opposed to "magic realism" and such, you won't enjoy it.
2020-03-14T20:50:05 < jadew> screw their namings...
2020-03-14T20:50:18 < mawk> I want realism too
2020-03-14T20:50:30 < PaulFertser> Thank you Steffanx, I noticed you're trying to nitpick on yourself today, appreciated ;)
2020-03-14T20:50:50 < Steffanx> Im into that PaulFertser. But there is a limit.
2020-03-14T20:51:10 < Steffanx> There magic has to fit into the magic world the writer created.
2020-03-14T20:51:47 < Steffanx> I HATE it when the story becomes  (or just feels for me )even illogical for the world created by the writer.
2020-03-14T20:51:49 < PaulFertser> Magic realism has a distinct feel to it. It's kind of convincing you that you might be seeing this very magic in your own real life.
2020-03-14T20:52:07 < Steffanx> Too many series/movies have a few of those moments too.
2020-03-14T20:52:22 < mawk> the hamsters of delft https://indebuurt.nl/delft/nieuws/hamsteren-niet-nodig-zo-zien-de-schappen-van-deze-delftse-supermarkt-eruit~97310/
2020-03-14T20:52:26 < Steffanx> Where they kinda destroy my joy instantly.
2020-03-14T20:52:49 < mawk> I agree Steffanx 
2020-03-14T20:53:04 < mawk> you know what other story isn't internally consistent? the bible !
2020-03-14T20:53:10 < mawk> join my atheist worship group today
2020-03-14T20:53:13 < Steffanx> Is it?
2020-03-14T20:53:26 < mawk> yes
2020-03-14T20:53:34 < PaulFertser> It's kinda like esoteric books but without all the fake religious shit. 
2020-03-14T20:53:36 < mawk> you can start at 1:1 in genesis
2020-03-14T20:53:39 < mawk> it doesn't take long
2020-03-14T20:53:42 < Steffanx> Walking over water etc. perfectly fits into the story.
2020-03-14T20:53:47 < mawk> lol
2020-03-14T20:54:28 < jpa-> it seems the real world is really not very internally consistent either
2020-03-14T20:54:41 < mawk> only in appearance
2020-03-14T20:54:58 < mawk> and human behavior is only emergent, it doesn't abide by any definite rule
2020-03-14T20:55:00 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: what about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Glass_Bead_Game , have you read that?
2020-03-14T20:55:04 < mawk> we don't ask for humans to make sense
2020-03-14T20:55:14 < jpa-> yeah, with real world each of us tells ourselves that the inconsistencies are only in how we interpret the world around us
2020-03-14T20:55:16 < Steffanx> I dont read much PaulFertser. I did in the past, but those were mainly kids books :P
2020-03-14T20:55:21 < Ultrasauce> i just read demian, quite enjoyed it
2020-03-14T20:55:35 < Ultrasauce> got the rest of hesse's bibliography lined up
2020-03-14T20:55:38 < Steffanx> My interpretations are usally kinda consistent jpa-
2020-03-14T20:55:50 < mawk> hesse sounds a bit too german
2020-03-14T20:56:27 < jpa-> Steffanx: i feel like i'm constantly in state of cognitive dissonance
2020-03-14T20:56:48 < englishman> got any more open source music Ultrasauce
2020-03-14T20:57:09 < Ultrasauce> that link i sent earlier has a whole directory full
2020-03-14T20:57:13 < Ultrasauce> some of it is pretty rough
2020-03-14T20:57:36 < jpa-> "work is important" "work is useless" "i'm right" "i'm wrong" "i trust my own decisions more" "i do stupid mistakes all the time"
2020-03-14T20:57:40 < Steffanx> but there wont be suddenly a creature inside your head that is very angry because some of your ancestors killed them when they came to the planet jpa-
2020-03-14T20:57:43 < jpa-> *should
2020-03-14T20:57:45 < Steffanx> or is there?
2020-03-14T20:58:04 < Steffanx> and that creature got out of the of a tree-ish thing.
2020-03-14T20:58:13 < Steffanx> -of the
2020-03-14T20:58:27 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I once got a kids book in a kids library. It was about Robinson Crusoe but by some French author. And it was full of (what I read as) BDSM bigotry and such.
2020-03-14T20:58:48 < jpa-> Steffanx: yeah, but there is a bunch of creatures inside my gut that do no thinking but still decide whether i'll live or die
2020-03-14T20:59:13 < Steffanx> PaulFertser:  Mine were mostly about WOII related.. Oh and horror stories i read too, for some reason. I hate horror now.
2020-03-14T20:59:45 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday,_or,_The_Other_Island I guess
2020-03-14T21:01:39 < Ultrasauce> englishman: http://omae.wa.mou.shindei.ru/music/doodles/14.ogg to pick a random good one
2020-03-14T21:02:14 < mawk> jpa- do you feel like you don't have the skills or abilities required to be where you are ?
2020-03-14T21:02:26 < mawk> you're in luck, that's usually what smart people think of themselves
2020-03-14T21:02:28 < BrainDamage> jpa-: there's always the option of therapy, it doesn't solve the root problem but having a bit stress relief can give you mental capacity to solve them
2020-03-14T21:02:29 < Steffanx> Heh, i see i should stop changing what i want to write in the middle of a sentence without removing the words that became obsolete.
2020-03-14T21:03:04 < jpa-> BrainDamage: sure, been there done that, it helped to the extent it can
2020-03-14T21:03:45 < jpa-> i'm kind of waiting for my wife's work situation to stabilize so i can decide what to do about my own career
2020-03-14T21:03:57 < BrainDamage> how long?
2020-03-14T21:04:15 < jpa-> how long therapy? about a year
2020-03-14T21:04:19 < jpa-> weekly
2020-03-14T21:04:24 < BrainDamage> no, how long do you have to wait
2020-03-14T21:04:28 < jpa-> no idea
2020-03-14T21:05:17 < PaulFertser> Was it CBT or some other kind of therapy?
2020-03-14T21:05:28 < jpa-> so far it's been back and forth between unemployment and employment, and to be able to take up the employment when available it really helps if i can take care of child at home etc. on quick notice
2020-03-14T21:05:32 < BrainDamage> how old is your child? perhaps you could take consulting jobs and bring it with you
2020-03-14T21:06:26 < jpa-> PaulFertser: mostly random talking, the some "exercises" i've tried i didn't really end up doing
2020-03-14T21:06:41 < BrainDamage> it won't fully give home/work separation, but at least an environmental change
2020-03-14T21:07:19 < PaulFertser> in russia there're plenty of weird "Gestalt therapists" and almost nobody practicies standard CBT.
2020-03-14T21:07:45 < jpa-> BrainDamage: he's in daycare actually, but not full day - and kind of doesn't make sense to be at the amount of work either of us currently does - and i kind of like being able to spend a lot of time with him, just that it kind of rules out commute & full time work
2020-03-14T21:09:24 < jpa-> i've been considering renting an office somewhere, but with all the moving & other investment that would entail it would require more predictable future
2020-03-14T21:11:40 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: may I suggest a short novel book instead, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todos_los_fuegos_el_fuego , one doesn't need to read a whole book to get a feel of it, as each short novel is an isolated piece of art.
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2020-03-14T21:12:53 < mawk> too spanish sorry
2020-03-14T21:12:54 < jpa-> but i don't really understand how some couples manage to both work full time; it seems we run out of time and energy even as it is, and feels like every month there is some flu or other reason why child cannot go to daycare and that instantly messes up any schedules
2020-03-14T21:14:04 < PaulFertser> mawk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milorad_Pavi%C4%87 then
2020-03-14T21:14:07 < emeb> zyp: ULX3S just popped up on crowdsupply
2020-03-14T21:15:05 < emeb> $99 for ECP5-12F, $135 for -85F. $12 shipping outside US.
2020-03-14T21:15:14 < emeb> Funny that it's originating in US...
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2020-03-14T21:28:55 < PaulFertser> So folks, if I should assume russia would face similar situation as Italy in a week or two, what recommendations can you give me?
2020-03-14T21:29:20 < BrainDamage> keep 2 weeks of food in the pantry
2020-03-14T21:29:45 < BrainDamage> if you need medicines or anything else, stock it up now
2020-03-14T21:30:17 < BrainDamage> and stock up also on entertainment, books, etc
2020-03-14T21:30:17 < jpa-> if you are young-ish, nothing that special - but if you can help elderly relatives avoid getting it, that would be great
2020-03-14T21:30:23 < BrainDamage> because it's going to be boring
2020-03-14T21:30:47 < BrainDamage> yeah, your personal risk is small, unless you're in a danger cathegory
2020-03-14T21:31:35 < PaulFertser> I think I should probably refrain from riding a motor bike too.
2020-03-14T21:31:53 < BrainDamage> I don't see a problem with that
2020-03-14T21:32:06 < BrainDamage> unless you think of the risk of getting into an accident
2020-03-14T21:32:11 < PaulFertser> That
2020-03-14T21:32:18 < PaulFertser> While the hospitals are overloaded
2020-03-14T21:32:28 < kakimir> projects figth boredness
2020-03-14T21:32:38 < kakimir> go crazy
2020-03-14T21:32:45 < Steffanx> Im not easily bored BrainDamage.
2020-03-14T21:32:49 < PaulFertser> I can't entertain myself so I can't stock up on entertainment :(
2020-03-14T21:33:00 < boddax> avoid crowded people place ..wash hand anytime you go shopping dont touch nose and eyes
2020-03-14T21:33:00 < Steffanx> I can do "nothing" (and relax) very well
2020-03-14T21:33:25 < boddax> stok clovers disinfectant and mask
2020-03-14T21:33:30 < PaulFertser> jpa-: how can I possibly help my relatives with avoiding getting it?
2020-03-14T21:33:54 < PaulFertser> soap works well, i can't understand the craze about disinfectants.
2020-03-14T21:34:07 < Steffanx> Dutchland will face a simular situation as in Italy as well, soon. Probably very soon.
2020-03-14T21:34:12 < Steffanx> With 1000 cases and counting.
2020-03-14T21:34:19 < boddax> soap ok wash fot atleast 40 seconds
2020-03-14T21:34:45 < mawk> why do you advocate stocking up BrainDamage ?
2020-03-14T21:34:53 < mawk> because you think there will be shortages ?
2020-03-14T21:35:03 < qyx> no, because stores are super full
2020-03-14T21:35:04 < mawk> or because you think the rest will also hamster like dicks so you should too
2020-03-14T21:35:10 < Steffanx> People hoard, no matter what.
2020-03-14T21:35:10 < jpa-> PaulFertser: well, don't visit them; and perhaps do shopping for them, but don't go in?
2020-03-14T21:35:16 < BrainDamage> neither
2020-03-14T21:35:21 < PaulFertser> It's easier to not waste time standing in a long (sparse) line trying to buy food I guess.
2020-03-14T21:35:28 < BrainDamage> because there's long queues at supermarkets
2020-03-14T21:35:30 < qyx> mawk: and to avoid people when the covid is here
2020-03-14T21:35:36 < Steffanx> Yeah, are those queues real BrainDamage?
2020-03-14T21:35:40 < qyx> yes
2020-03-14T21:35:42 < Steffanx> i saw some vid of a huuuuge queue
2020-03-14T21:35:43 < qyx> even here in .sk
2020-03-14T21:36:03 < qyx> we are shopping in small local stores instead
2020-03-14T21:36:05 < jpa-> also to avoid having to go to shop when you yourself have covid
2020-03-14T21:36:08 < mawk> Steffanx: on pornhub ?
2020-03-14T21:36:09 < PaulFertser> jpa-: yes, makes sense, but for that I'll need to either ride a motor bike or go by an always-overloaded moscow metro.
2020-03-14T21:36:10 < qyx> not lidl/kaufland, they are full
2020-03-14T21:36:15 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: depends where, some supermarkets here yes
2020-03-14T21:36:17 < Steffanx> Sure mawk
2020-03-14T21:36:17 < boddax> stay atleat 1 meter distance from any people , no kiss no hugs no handshake
2020-03-14T21:36:18 < mawk> maybe that joke only works in french where queue means tail
2020-03-14T21:36:23 < BrainDamage> the one next to home home fortunately not
2020-03-14T21:36:32 < jpa-> PaulFertser: yeah, and i'd need to travel hundreds of kilometers, so not really realistic in many cases
2020-03-14T21:36:48 < kakimir> funland doesn't have quick tests
2020-03-14T21:37:08 < Steffanx> no, it didnt work mawk
2020-03-14T21:37:21 < boddax> or rent house top mountin small town and stay some months over there
2020-03-14T21:37:27 < mawk> :(
2020-03-14T21:37:32 < Steffanx> there is no such thing in dutchland
2020-03-14T21:37:48 < boddax> there no mountin in dutchland
2020-03-14T21:37:52 < PaulFertser> btw, does anyone know what's the deal with RT-PCR tests, isn't it like the very common lab thing and one just needs the "virus DNA" produced for testing?
2020-03-14T21:38:13 < kakimir> they said start investigating acquiring quick tests week ago.. apparently test are nevertheless now sold out
2020-03-14T21:38:32 < kakimir> so no tests is the next phase
2020-03-14T21:38:51 < jpa-> PaulFertser: yeah, but AFAIK it takes about 30 minutes of PCR machine time per test, so that limits the amount of tests one can do
2020-03-14T21:38:51 < Steffanx> And not really "small" villages you can hide in, boddax
2020-03-14T21:38:55 < Steffanx> dutchland is too small for that
2020-03-14T21:39:21 < BrainDamage> pcr requires incubations in thermooscillators and then electrophoresis
2020-03-14T21:39:23 < PaulFertser> jpa-: I see
2020-03-14T21:39:34 < BrainDamage> the first step even if done in batch takes many hours
2020-03-14T21:40:43 < boddax> better if mediastream start early to give hints
2020-03-14T21:41:50 < PaulFertser> Thank you all for the advices.
2020-03-14T21:42:56 < mawk> don't touch your face and wash your hands !
2020-03-14T21:43:00 < mawk> the only advice you need
2020-03-14T21:43:07 < Steffanx> and not your dick either
2020-03-14T21:43:17 < mawk> the dick is fine I'm sure
2020-03-14T21:43:27 < mawk> as long as you don't plug it into someone else's mouth
2020-03-14T21:44:00 < boddax> if you get covid-19 your dick fall in the floor at day 5
2020-03-14T21:44:12 < mawk> :(
2020-03-14T21:44:22  * mawk ducktapes his dick
2020-03-14T21:44:46 < Steffanx> Did you trace your case back to the sores yet mawk?
2020-03-14T21:45:23 < PaulFertser> mawk: I know everyone talks about touching face and washing hands but I wonder if anyone has reasonable estimates on the effectiveness of those measures alone.
2020-03-14T21:45:34 < englishman> msp430 causes coronavirus
2020-03-14T21:45:42 < Steffanx> ohno
2020-03-14T21:45:49 < PaulFertser> For now russian officials still claim all the cases are not communal.
2020-03-14T21:45:53 < Steffanx> but coronavirus itself isnt too bad englishman
2020-03-14T21:46:01 < boddax> colliteral effect
2020-03-14T21:46:02 < Steffanx> Its COVID-19 that sucks :P
2020-03-14T21:46:09 < englishman> that infection curve is rather vertical rn
2020-03-14T21:46:10 < PaulFertser> Indeed
2020-03-14T21:46:24 < mawk> some coworker that went to the Tilburg carnival, most likely
2020-03-14T21:46:26 < mawk> work is my only outside interaction besides groceries
2020-03-14T21:46:30 < mawk> the effectiveness of soap PaulFertser ? very effective
2020-03-14T21:46:32 < mawk> the virus is weak, even mechanical scrubbing remves likes 90%
2020-03-14T21:46:51 < Steffanx> lol PaulFertser. I still have to surpress the urge to correct you on everything slightly ambigious you say :P
2020-03-14T21:47:07 < mawk> bad steffan
2020-03-14T21:47:25 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: soap is super effective and #1 weapon in humanity's war against all types of pathogens that adhere to skin
2020-03-14T21:47:35 < PaulFertser> mawk: that I know, but taking everything into account, if you continue going to public places and all, how really common is that hands -> face -> infection route compared to the air droplets and such.
2020-03-14T21:47:40 < Steffanx> but my dry skin doesnt like the soap
2020-03-14T21:47:41 < Steffanx> my poor hands
2020-03-14T21:47:57 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: hehehe 
2020-03-14T21:48:03 < englishman> after soap invented world population went from 300 million to 7 billion - conspiracy or coincidence?
2020-03-14T21:48:21 < boddax> UV-C lamp
2020-03-14T21:48:22 < mawk> I don't know the number PaulFertser , but I assume that the hands to face isn't that unlikely, but indeed if you're <3m in front of a coughing infected man it's a bad place to nbe
2020-03-14T21:48:25 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: you can distance yourself from others, but you cannot avoid to touch the same surfaces
2020-03-14T21:48:39 < BrainDamage> eg door handles, elevator buttons, etc
2020-03-14T21:48:50 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: indeed. Still handwaving though, no numbers ;)
2020-03-14T21:48:53 < mawk> assume every door is a dirty smelly public toilet door
2020-03-14T21:49:00 < englishman> after the CIA invented coronavirus, world population went back from 7 billion to 300 million - jaedw probably
2020-03-14T21:49:06 < mawk> lol
2020-03-14T21:49:18 < mawk> some china official claimed that englishman 
2020-03-14T21:49:22 < mawk> said the US did it
2020-03-14T21:49:31 < Steffanx> Trump denied. so its untrue
2020-03-14T21:49:33 < englishman> they sound just as intelligent as US officials
2020-03-14T21:50:06 < englishman> the moon landing was real. nasa discovered coronavirus there
2020-03-14T21:50:48 < Steffanx> I heard canada will be without its leader soon
2020-03-14T21:50:57 < englishman> there was a leader?
2020-03-14T21:51:01 < mawk> good thing
2020-03-14T21:51:08 < PaulFertser> Queen of Canada
2020-03-14T21:51:12 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: numbers would be result of simulations, not real world data
2020-03-14T21:51:23 < mawk> bye baby justin
2020-03-14T21:51:28 < BrainDamage> so any bias in the hypothesis would reflect on the result
2020-03-14T21:51:34 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: yes, for real world we'd need to ask some group to not wash their hands :)
2020-03-14T21:51:48 < Steffanx> He claimed the title for sure, englishman
2020-03-14T21:52:40 < englishman> First confirmed case of COVID-19 on P.E.I. announced
2020-03-14T21:53:46 < Steffanx> P.E.I. ..?
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2020-03-14T21:53:54 < Steffanx> Prince Edward Island?
2020-03-14T21:53:58 < englishman> a tiny irrelevant island in the middle of nowhere
2020-03-14T21:54:03 < Steffanx> ah
2020-03-14T21:54:08 < englishman> where a single IRC chatter resides
2020-03-14T21:54:14 < qyx> who
2020-03-14T21:54:17 < englishman> dox
2020-03-14T21:54:33 < BrainDamage> one who speaks using forbite language
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2020-03-14T21:54:41 < Steffanx> Looks like a nice island
2020-03-14T21:54:50 < englishman> it is
2020-03-14T21:54:55 < Steffanx> Is he a nice cook too?
2020-03-14T21:54:57 < englishman> and now its only resident has the wu flu
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2020-03-14T21:55:01 < qyx> is he chatting over packet radio?
2020-03-14T21:55:27 < BrainDamage> I have it on good sources that during winter it's a "sandbar death trap" due to the extreme temperatures
2020-03-14T21:56:30 < kakimir> jesus these countries are going for herd immunity strategy..
2020-03-14T21:56:48 < Steffanx> these
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2020-03-14T21:57:02 < kakimir> al of them
2020-03-14T21:57:22 < Steffanx> why did you eat allll of your waffles already
2020-03-14T21:57:34 < kakimir> I wonder if it's herd immunity via natural selection
2020-03-14T21:57:55 < BrainDamage> optimizing for flu resistance is not a great idea
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2020-03-14T21:58:07 < BrainDamage> there's better targets to optimize for
2020-03-14T21:58:08 < kakimir> there is evidence contrary to any lasting immunity
2020-03-14T21:58:16 < BrainDamage> not particularly
2020-03-14T21:58:32 < BrainDamage> there's only one official reinfected case, rest are hearsay
2020-03-14T21:58:40 < kakimir> aah
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2020-03-14T21:59:43 < mawk> I read a random reddit post that said you don't get immunized
2020-03-14T21:59:46 < mawk> he claimed to be working in some lab
2020-03-14T22:00:28 < kakimir> let's wait data from italy
2020-03-14T22:00:35 < mawk> https://www.reddit.com/r/Covid2019/comments/fah93r/a_vaccine_isnt_coming/
2020-03-14T22:00:38 < mawk> it was this
2020-03-14T22:00:43 < kakimir> if any will ever reach our ears
2020-03-14T22:01:09 < Steffanx> Yes, reddit is a good sores for information.
2020-03-14T22:01:26 < englishman> i read on reddit that mawk has a tiny peepee
2020-03-14T22:01:43 < mawk> :((
2020-03-14T22:01:45 < englishman> the guy claimed to be an expert on the subject
2020-03-14T22:01:48 < mawk> that's totally untrue
2020-03-14T22:01:54 < englishman> and linked a bunch of sources
2020-03-14T22:01:54 < mawk> I can prove it
2020-03-14T22:02:05 < Steffanx> He tried to cheat and cut of the queue.
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2020-03-14T22:02:32 < mawk> don't touch ma queue
2020-03-14T22:02:59 < Cracki> that's a french word, isn't it
2020-03-14T22:03:15 < Steffanx> oui
2020-03-14T22:03:17 < kakimir> it's as if virus knew that countries counteract in herd immunity strat
2020-03-14T22:03:44 < kakimir> probs strats are made years ago and just applied whenever something comes up
2020-03-14T22:04:19 < Steffanx> Some dutch anounced today they find some useful anti-bodies ...
2020-03-14T22:04:38 < Steffanx> or was it yesterday. Anyway, they did announce it
2020-03-14T22:05:15 < kakimir> was it like "this works" or "this in theory might be useful"
2020-03-14T22:05:39 < Steffanx> As in more than theory. but .. it might takes months before it can be used on humans
2020-03-14T22:05:48 < Steffanx> The usual.
2020-03-14T22:05:55 < mawk> it means peepee Cracki 
2020-03-14T22:06:06 < Cracki> oh, google says butt
2020-03-14T22:06:21 < Cracki> good to know :P
2020-03-14T22:07:42 < mawk> litteraly it means tail
2020-03-14T22:07:49 < mawk> also file
2020-03-14T22:08:21 < Steffanx> https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.11.987958v1 read that kakimir.
2020-03-14T22:09:43 < BrainDamage> we also have an ongoing experimentation of an antiviral medicine with decent degree of success on ~70 patients so far
2020-03-14T22:09:52 < BrainDamage> and are planning to increase the study
2020-03-14T22:09:58 < kakimir> https://v.ylilauta.org/59/8ca47e00.mp4
2020-03-14T22:11:23 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: nice link!
2020-03-14T22:16:29 < Ultrasauce> qyx: me
2020-03-14T22:17:08 < Ultrasauce> ive never heard ax.25 on the repeaters here
2020-03-14T22:17:49 < Steffanx> Human trials right away, BrainDamage?
2020-03-14T22:18:03 < kakimir> so there are multiple cases of reinfection
2020-03-14T22:18:08 < kakimir> not just one
2020-03-14T22:18:10 < mawk> plenty of volunteers probably
2020-03-14T22:18:38 < Steffanx> Stories or real cases kakimir
2020-03-14T22:18:59 < mawk> anecdotal evidence
2020-03-14T22:19:16 < Steffanx> So hows the COVID-19 progressing mawk?
2020-03-14T22:19:42 < mawk> the fever has lowered
2020-03-14T22:19:45 < mawk> maybe thanks to paracetamol
2020-03-14T22:19:49 < Steffanx> heh
2020-03-14T22:19:53 < mawk> it's fluctuating since friday
2020-03-14T22:19:57 < mawk> up then down then up then down
2020-03-14T22:20:08 < Steffanx> So youre actually measuring
2020-03-14T22:20:21 < mawk> I'm measuring the head pain lol
2020-03-14T22:20:25 < BrainDamage> maybe it's malaria instead of covid
2020-03-14T22:20:33 < mawk> and gauging the temperature
2020-03-14T22:20:36 < mawk> "normal" "hot" "super hot"
2020-03-14T22:20:40 < mawk> precise units
2020-03-14T22:20:51 < mawk> is it better BrainDamage ?
2020-03-14T22:21:53 < BrainDamage> don't think so
2020-03-14T22:22:09 < kakimir> https://archive.is/V6IgT
2020-03-14T22:22:24 < Steffanx> certificate alert.
2020-03-14T22:22:29 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fever#/media/File:Febbre.gif
2020-03-14T22:22:32 < Steffanx> *security
2020-03-14T22:23:21 < kakimir> Steffanx?
2020-03-14T22:23:26 < mawk> more like D then BrainDamage 
2020-03-14T22:23:27 < kakimir> chrome?
2020-03-14T22:24:10 < PaulFertser> Wait, is mawk literally infected by SARS-CoV-2 ?
2020-03-14T22:24:38 < mawk> Steffanx: https://i.imgur.com/rbxnQQA.jpg
2020-03-14T22:24:46 < mawk> I have that near my home
2020-03-14T22:24:50 < mawk> probably not PaulFertser 
2020-03-14T22:24:50 < Steffanx> Not impossible PaulFertser
2020-03-14T22:24:54 < mawk> but maybe
2020-03-14T22:25:01 < mawk> they won't test me anyway, not sick enough
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2020-03-14T22:25:12 < Steffanx> We didnt deal with it very well for the first few cases PaulFertser
2020-03-14T22:25:33 < Steffanx> now we're heading towards the italy-situation
2020-03-14T22:25:48 < PaulFertser> mawk: is it possible you got flu?
2020-03-14T22:25:53 < BrainDamage> I like how italy became the poster child of what not to do
2020-03-14T22:26:02 < mawk> flu is way more painful than this PaulFertser , doesn't look like flu to me
2020-03-14T22:26:05 < Steffanx> Yet we did it exactly the same way BrainDamage
2020-03-14T22:26:06 < BrainDamage> we always manage to make a stellar impression
2020-03-14T22:26:13 < mawk> lol
2020-03-14T22:26:18 < Steffanx> The first few weeks it was mainly reaction. No proactive prevention.
2020-03-14T22:26:34 < Steffanx> Now were too late and its still mainly reaction.
2020-03-14T22:26:38 < BrainDamage> it was a self criticism, not one against others
2020-03-14T22:27:01 < PaulFertser> mawk: flu has a very fast onset, meaning you feel first symptoms and then just a few hours later, fever.
2020-03-14T22:27:08 < Steffanx> I was merely saying even when we see it going wrong elsewhere we make the same mistakes
2020-03-14T22:27:25 < mawk> well I started to feel headache at some point friday afternoon, one hour later I had to go home because I couldn't work with that pain
2020-03-14T22:27:37 < mawk> but with the flu usually there is back pain or muscle pain or whatever
2020-03-14T22:28:18 < BrainDamage> one of my friends said that one of his colleagues got it
2020-03-14T22:28:23 < BrainDamage> he was a denialist
2020-03-14T22:28:41 < BrainDamage> he said he went from dry cough in the morning to hospital level symptoms in the evening
2020-03-14T22:28:56 < BrainDamage> everyone at work was in full schadenfreude
2020-03-14T22:29:00 < mawk> lol
2020-03-14T22:29:01 < PaulFertser> mawk: I just get vaccinated against "the flus" each year.
2020-03-14T22:29:19 < mawk> yeah some people do that
2020-03-14T22:29:28 < Steffanx> i never got that PaulFertser.
2020-03-14T22:29:37 < Steffanx> Sure the usual vaccinations as a kid, but after that.. none
2020-03-14T22:29:45 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: why not?
2020-03-14T22:29:56 < mawk> theyonly give it to old people here
2020-03-14T22:30:10 < BrainDamage> here anyone can get it if you pay 10 bucks
2020-03-14T22:30:14 < PaulFertser> They give it here for free to whoever wants it.
2020-03-14T22:30:17 < BrainDamage> but it's free for sick and elderly
2020-03-14T22:30:35 < Steffanx> I dont feel the need PaulFertser
2020-03-14T22:30:40 < BrainDamage> which I guess it's pretty reasonable
2020-03-14T22:30:56 < Steffanx> Not the old people mawk.
2020-03-14T22:31:00 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I do not like getting flu so if I can be protected from it, why not.
2020-03-14T22:31:07 < mawk> I mean there Steffanx 
2020-03-14T22:31:11 < mawk> like in france
2020-03-14T22:31:14 < Steffanx> Im hardly ever sick PaulFertser.
2020-03-14T22:31:17 < mawk> I'm still not realizing I moved countries
2020-03-14T22:31:56 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: that's great
2020-03-14T22:32:22 < Steffanx> When im stick its mostly max. a day or 2. and not reaally sick. But sick enough to decide not to work :P
2020-03-14T22:32:25 < Steffanx> *sick
2020-03-14T22:32:31 < Steffanx> manflu.
2020-03-14T22:33:08 < BrainDamage> I think the first time I'm going to get sick is going to suck a lot, I'm not used to it at all
2020-03-14T22:33:15 < PaulFertser> I think I have kinda common cold now. A bit of running nose.
2020-03-14T22:33:45 < Steffanx> Yes, sure i get those too. But i dont really consider that sick. more an inconvenience
2020-03-14T22:34:31 < PaulFertser> Sneezing inside a helmet sucks.
2020-03-14T22:34:47 < Steffanx> Hah, sneezing behind the wheel in a car is annoying too.
2020-03-14T22:34:56 < PaulFertser> 10x less though
2020-03-14T22:34:59 < Steffanx> I dont like to close my eyes while driving.
2020-03-14T22:35:23 < BrainDamage> i have photic sneeze reflex, it sucks while driving
2020-03-14T22:35:44 < BrainDamage> i have to account of not being able to see for a couple of seconds coming out of a gallery
2020-03-14T22:36:19 < BrainDamage> ( I can chain sneeze even 2-3 times in a row )
2020-03-14T22:36:44 < Steffanx> Yay. Where do you get perks like that :P
2020-03-14T22:37:11 < BrainDamage> it's not really a perk
2020-03-14T22:37:26 < Steffanx> No, ofcourse it isn't. 
2020-03-14T22:37:27 < BrainDamage> I inherited all the genetic quirks of my parents for some reason
2020-03-14T22:37:36 < BrainDamage> I also have joint hypermobility
2020-03-14T22:38:10 < BrainDamage> I can easily clap my hands upright behind my back
2020-03-14T22:38:14 < PaulFertser> If both of them have it...
2020-03-14T22:38:19 < BrainDamage> or lick my elbow
2020-03-14T22:38:59 < Steffanx> :)
2020-03-14T22:39:14 < BrainDamage> on the other hand I can dislocate my joints easily
2020-03-14T22:39:36 < BrainDamage> I ended up in the ER with a dislocated jaw one night after yawning
2020-03-14T22:39:44 < BrainDamage> it made for a pretty awkward trip
2020-03-14T22:47:02 < mawk> lol
2020-03-14T22:47:18 < emeb> there was a time in my teens/20s when my jaw would lock up that way sometimes. Always managed to get it back on my own tho. Seem to have grown out of it.
2020-03-14T22:51:27 < mawk> did you see my truck Steffanx 
2020-03-14T22:52:23 < Steffanx> Yeah, must be a student car :P
2020-03-14T22:52:28 < Steffanx> *truck
2020-03-14T22:52:57 < mawk> yeah
2020-03-14T22:53:04 < mawk> he's too afraid to drive it today I think
2020-03-14T22:53:55 < Steffanx> Pretty old mobile even.  30-04-1974
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2020-03-14T23:43:52 < Thorn> when you switch an antenna to a better one does your noise floor (as seen by the receiver) increase or decrease?
2020-03-14T23:44:19 < Thorn> better == better matched, not more directional
2020-03-14T23:51:21 < karlp> fucking top nice quite BrainDamage "19:51:28     BrainDamage | so any bias in the hypothesis would reflect on the result"
2020-03-14T23:56:23 < PaulFertser> btw, Steffanx did you probably want to tell me that the virus has no DNA, just RNA?
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2020-03-15T00:12:16 < Steffanx> I dont recall I was going to tell you that, PaulFertser  
2020-03-15T00:13:31 < Steffanx> perhaps i have COVID-19 and memory loss is a new symptom
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2020-03-15T00:22:27 < Thorn> how do you set rssi threshold for fsk radios? it should be above the noise floor, do you need to measure the floor and set the threshold dynamically?
2020-03-15T00:27:17 < BrainDamage> Thorn: for electronic noise, it doesn't change, for atmospheric it obviously increases
2020-03-15T00:27:53 < BrainDamage> a simple diode, properly biased, works fine to measure power
2020-03-15T00:28:24 < BrainDamage> you put one centered on the input filter, and one outside
2020-03-15T00:28:34 < BrainDamage> that's your RSSI
2020-03-15T00:28:57 < BrainDamage> for high freq atmospheric noise is irrelevant and you can just assume constant noise
2020-03-15T00:29:14 < BrainDamage> and just measure signal intensity over a fixed number
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2020-03-15T01:07:51 < qyx> so my pcie phy apparetnyl lacks RX terminating resistors
2020-03-15T01:08:03 < qyx> as the guy here found out https://www.abclinuxu.cz/blog/GardenOfEdenConfiguration/2019/10/opus-magnum
2020-03-15T01:08:19 < qyx> quite interesting post
2020-03-15T01:09:23 < zyp> emeb, looks like a better deal than orangecrab
2020-03-15T01:09:53 < Thorn> qyx: how do you set rssi threshold in your sx12xx etc. radios? do you hardcode it in firmware or set it dynamically?
2020-03-15T01:10:12 < qyx> Thorn: I did hardcode it
2020-03-15T01:10:31 < qyx> also it is used for rssi threshold interrupt
2020-03-15T01:10:48 < qyx> with 32bit sync word it did not matter much if you kept it low
2020-03-15T01:11:13 < qyx> rssi threshold occured but no reception was started because there was no match
2020-03-15T01:11:46 < qyx> I mean false positive rssi thresholds occured
2020-03-15T01:12:51 < Thorn> yes I see a lot of garbage rx with a 2 byte sync word if I set rssi threshold low enough
2020-03-15T01:14:37 < qyx> if you use additional check layers it doesn't matter either
2020-03-15T01:14:44 < qyx> but you may miss a valid packet
2020-03-15T01:15:06 < qyx> when you started receiving an invalid one because of wrong sync match
2020-03-15T01:20:16 < Thorn> when there's a lot of garbage real packets are being missed, sometimes even completely
2020-03-15T01:25:12 < zyp> emeb, so at a glance both the orangecrab and the ulx3s -85 is gonna be about $150 shipped, orangecrab got more/faster memory and a higher speed grade fpga (8 vs 6), while the ulx3s got a larger fpga and more IO
2020-03-15T01:49:40 < englishman> zyp: I'm making a smorgastarta
2020-03-15T01:50:39 < zyp> englishman, hmm?
2020-03-15T01:50:55 < englishman> hmm
2020-03-15T01:51:00 < englishman> I guess it is sweedish
2020-03-15T01:51:02 < englishman> nvm
2020-03-15T01:51:04 < zyp> yes
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2020-03-15T02:11:16 < emeb> zyp: good summary
2020-03-15T02:11:37 < emeb> and don't forget ULX3S also has an ESP32. :P 
2020-03-15T02:25:13 < zyp> I'm kinda indifferent to that
2020-03-15T02:25:49 < zyp> also the early bird is sold out, so the -85 is more expensive now
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2020-03-15T03:34:56 < upgrdman> windows gcc pros: im trying to compile a single file c program along with a .lib static library (ftdi d2xx) ... in visual studio it works fine. with gcc, im trying "gcc -o test main.c ftd2xx.lib" and i get a bunch of "undefined reference to `__imp_FT_CreateDeviceInfoList'" etc. Any ideas what im fucking up?
2020-03-15T03:39:31 < specing> you didn't link to that library
2020-03-15T03:39:47 < specing> that provides __imp_FT_CreateDeviceInfoList
2020-03-15T03:40:01 < upgrdman> ftd2xx.lib is it
2020-03-15T03:40:10 < upgrdman> works in vc++ :(
2020-03-15T03:42:35 < upgrdman> oh
2020-03-15T03:42:47 < upgrdman> i forgot to -DFTD2XX_STATIC which i didnt in vcpp
2020-03-15T03:42:58 < upgrdman> but now i have another error. lol, fuck.
2020-03-15T03:43:00 < upgrdman> Warning: corrupt .drectve at end of def file
2020-03-15T03:43:00 < upgrdman> Warning: corrupt .drectve at end of def file
2020-03-15T03:43:00 < upgrdman> C:/msys64/mingw64/bin/../lib/gcc/x86_64-w64-mingw32/9.2.0/../../../../x86_64-w64-mingw32/bin/ld.exe: ftd2xx.lib(x64/Release/fteeftx.obj):(.rdata$r+0x10): undefined reference to `??_R3TFtEEFTX@@8'
2020-03-15T03:43:04 < upgrdman> etc
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2020-03-15T03:47:43 < bitmask> awww yea, smd components and shit on a bakelite board
2020-03-15T03:47:50 < bitmask> this is never gonna work
2020-03-15T03:48:42 < upgrdman> FUCK
2020-03-15T03:48:43 < upgrdman> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/25161814/warning-corrupt-drectve-at-end-of-def-file
2020-03-15T03:49:02 < upgrdman> why the hell at .libs compiler-specific. those fucking niggers.
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2020-03-15T04:15:37 < Laurenceb> >coronavirus spread at radfem event
2020-03-15T04:15:43 < Laurenceb> wtf I love coronavirus now
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2020-03-15T05:34:38 < jadew> sup?
2020-03-15T05:46:21 < kakigate> suppi sup sup
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2020-03-15T07:43:47 < dongs> https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20191216005837/en/Kinetic-Technologies-Announces-Closing-MegaChips%E2%80%99-Smart-Connectivity pp[s
2020-03-15T07:43:50 < dongs> oops
2020-03-15T07:44:07 < dongs> https://www.bloomberg.com/press-releases/2019-12-16/kinetic-technologies-announces-closing-of-megachips-smart-connectivity-acquisition
2020-03-15T07:44:15 < dongs> oh, businesswire link works too
2020-03-15T07:44:17 < dongs> was ded for me
2020-03-15T07:44:27 < dongs> so now ST's STDP* stuff has been sold to megashits, and now resold to kinetic
2020-03-15T07:48:07 < dongs> https://www.cablematters.com/pc-1220-126-usb-c-triple-4k-displayport-mst-hub-usb-c-to-displayport-splitter-with-dual-displayport-and-hdmi-for-windows.aspx whoa cool
2020-03-15T07:48:11 < dongs> DP1.4 MST splitter
2020-03-15T07:48:16 < dongs> i wonder what chipset that uses
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2020-03-15T07:52:39 < dongs> https://youtu.be/9KvFxxiQ7ls?t=56
2020-03-15T07:52:42 < dongs> 3x 4k@60
2020-03-15T07:52:45 < dongs> not bad
2020-03-15T07:55:25 < englishman> so humans might be able to buy them again
2020-03-15T07:55:42 < dongs> ST stuff?
2020-03-15T07:55:57 < dongs> well, actually once megacocks bought them they did eventually apear on digikey and shit a few years later
2020-03-15T07:56:52 < englishman> what a concept
2020-03-15T07:56:58 < englishman> selling your products
2020-03-15T07:57:10 < dongs> rite?
2020-03-15T07:57:33 < dongs> i guess when ST owned them their idea was "unless we sell 100k of these to a single customer, we might as well not even sell them"
2020-03-15T07:59:48 < dongs> https://youtu.be/9KvFxxiQ7ls?t=77 PADS layout
2020-03-15T07:59:52 < dongs> so you know they're serious
2020-03-15T08:01:19 < dongs> https://www.sanwa.co.jp/product/syohin.asp?code=AD-DP14MST3DP haha JP version is $200
2020-03-15T08:01:59 < bitmask> who wants to bet this thing doesnt even come close to working :P
2020-03-15T08:01:59 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/FbKdzvD.jpg
2020-03-15T08:02:45 < dongs> hmm synaptics
2020-03-15T08:03:02 < jpa-> bitmask: what should it do? heat up and smoke?
2020-03-15T08:03:15 < bitmask> no, thats what it will do
2020-03-15T08:03:54 < dongs> https://www.synaptics.com/products/video-interface-ics
2020-03-15T08:03:56 < dongs> there they are
2020-03-15T08:04:01 < dongs> synaptyics must be banned by google
2020-03-15T08:04:10 < dongs> zero hits looking up synaptics + mst + hbr3 etc
2020-03-15T08:04:14 < dongs> had to go to their main page
2020-03-15T08:04:16 < bitmask> it should create a 66% duty cycle 20 second period signal that drives an h-bridge so that 14 seconds it passes current forward and 7 seconds backwards
2020-03-15T08:04:33 < dongs> VMM5330 sounds like some shit tehy boght from someone else
2020-03-15T08:06:16 < dongs> https://e2e.ti.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/138/TAHINI-CREEK-REV2V3.pdf lol someone uploaded confidential intel warez
2020-03-15T08:13:33 < englishman> damn im so unimpressed with these warez!
2020-03-15T08:14:52 < englishman> i have all these sony cmos sensor dox at work and they dont even mention basic shit like optical/digital dynamic range im sure that all those numbers are 100% made up because they are not in any datasheet, programming guide or integration guide
2020-03-15T08:15:16 < jpa-> i'm not surprised that intel designs all their stuff in comic sans
2020-03-15T08:23:21 < bitmask> well fuck me it works
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2020-03-15T08:49:14 < Cracki> lol I intentionally use comic sans to piss of the purists. it's also a good way to mark "unfinished" docs or stuff you want to prevent the spread of
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2020-03-15T13:34:03 < karlp> https://sourceforge.net/projects/napkinlaf/
2020-03-15T13:39:09 < qyx> nobody uses java
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2020-03-15T13:57:12 < invzim> man, they should release doom eternal already and consider poor people trapped at home with their kids and spouses
2020-03-15T14:03:26 < doomba> poor people need to die
2020-03-15T14:03:31 < doomba> that's what they want
2020-03-15T14:13:14 < Cracki> I'm still surprised that germany has so many cases but so few deaths still, compared to italy
2020-03-15T14:14:11 < Cracki> someone speculated that italy had lots more chinese tourists and that spread it farther
2020-03-15T14:15:17 < doomba> germany has so few deaths because they're only able to report german citizens, for which only 5% of the population in germany are.
2020-03-15T14:18:46 < invzim> Read that half the cases in Norway comes from people visiting Austria
2020-03-15T14:18:48 < invzim> thanks
2020-03-15T14:19:21 < PaulFertser> I'm surprised russia doesn't seem to have exponential growth of pneumonia cases.
2020-03-15T14:19:44 < PaulFertser> With a rather loosy quarantine measures.
2020-03-15T14:21:16 < Mangy_Dog> or theyre just not reporting the stats
2020-03-15T14:25:50 < Cracki> and still open borders, as if the goal were genocide
2020-03-15T14:26:16 < Cracki> frenchies are rioting for the 70th weekend now
2020-03-15T14:26:25 < jadew> who has open borders?
2020-03-15T14:26:35 < Cracki> germoney
2020-03-15T14:26:45 < jadew> stupid...
2020-03-15T14:26:51 < Cracki> that's what I say!
2020-03-15T14:27:08 < jadew> oth you guys have lots of replacement young people, who won't die from this
2020-03-15T14:27:21 < Cracki> excuse is "all is lost anyway, let's keep going"
2020-03-15T14:27:57 < jadew> the cultural enrichment percentage is going to increase
2020-03-15T14:28:15 < Cracki> on the one hand, they talk about needing to *slow* the spread, ban public events now, but fuck border control
2020-03-15T14:29:09 < jadew> Romania seems to be on top of it (surprisingly), but it still grows exponentially
2020-03-15T14:29:29 < jadew> we're switching to emergency state as of tomorrow
2020-03-15T14:29:30 < Cracki> I'm waiting for the day when this government is finally replaced by a real one, and all these problems are solved with dedication
2020-03-15T14:30:19 < Cracki> I think the chinese did good. they keep supplying everyone, but at home, and they disinfect everything outside twice a day
2020-03-15T14:30:27 < qyx> we have emergency since thursday, border control too
2020-03-15T14:30:33 < qyx> and it increased from 6 to 54 now
2020-03-15T14:30:50 < jadew> qyx, the detected cases increased
2020-03-15T14:30:54 < jadew> they were already there :)
2020-03-15T14:31:01 < qyx> yeah
2020-03-15T14:31:19 < jadew> I think if you have 100 detected cases, you probably have several hundreds undetected
2020-03-15T14:31:31 < jadew> like... 500 to 1000
2020-03-15T14:31:31 < PaulFertser> Mangy_Dog: exponential groth of pneumonia would be impossible to hide I guess
2020-03-15T14:31:50 < Cracki> I still have no idea how to explain the vast difference in fatalities. italy is supposed to be well equipped with medical facilities, is germany better?? or are we more resistant to this stuff? or is it the lack of chinese tourists?
2020-03-15T14:31:58 < jadew> PaulFertser, they can just refuse to report it
2020-03-15T14:32:05 < jadew> you could watch the obituaries
2020-03-15T14:32:11 < PaulFertser> Italy has less hospital beds per person.
2020-03-15T14:32:24 < jadew> https://nypost.com/2020/03/14/heartbreaking-video-shows-coronavirus-devastating-toll-on-italy/
2020-03-15T14:32:50 < Cracki> we have 8 fatalities so far, the youngest is 60 and died in egypt, the rest are 67-90
2020-03-15T14:33:41 < Cracki> I hear the chinese have "fever clinics". you get your temp taken, you get a tomography of your lungs, then you get PCRed
2020-03-15T14:33:52 < Cracki> they have all that still from SARS
2020-03-15T14:34:09 < Cracki> (except maybt eh portable xrays/tomographs)
2020-03-15T14:35:19 < PaulFertser> Thailand has surprisingly few cases too.
2020-03-15T14:35:22 < Cracki> CT around here is a big ceremony. the chinese are equipped to take just a few minutes per patient per CT
2020-03-15T14:36:04 < Cracki> hm not sure if it's CT but plain xray probably.
2020-03-15T14:36:18 < PaulFertser> Plain xray should be fast indeed
2020-03-15T14:36:46 < PaulFertser> https://data.oecd.org/healtheqt/hospital-beds.htm 
2020-03-15T14:37:10 < Cracki> depends on image acquisition. if it's those big plates that then get scanned at millimeters per second in a big fridge sized box...
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2020-03-15T14:47:33 < boddax> few cases ?? number given from other countries is fake!! terrorized from economical crack
2020-03-15T14:48:57 < Cracki> t - 30 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVuS4IS2Kvs
2020-03-15T15:07:59 < Cracki> cue the muzak
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2020-03-15T15:09:05 < mawk> oooo
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2020-03-15T15:19:02 < mawk> Cracki: at germany borders there are policemen with no protection equipment doing random checks asking passagers if they feel feverous
2020-03-15T15:19:05 < mawk> if you say no, you pass
2020-03-15T15:19:13 < Cracki> >_>
2020-03-15T15:19:22 < mawk> with the NL/DE border at least
2020-03-15T15:19:28 < mawk> maybe stricter with france
2020-03-15T15:19:35 < Cracki> maybe I should visit the border, I'm just a few km away
2020-03-15T15:21:00 < Cracki> I've never seen any uniformed people there ever, not police, not customs, not even those that give you parking tickets
2020-03-15T15:21:59 < mawk> yeah, schengen
2020-03-15T15:22:23 < Cracki> "the 1st 5th launch". this booster seems to be on its fifth flight, and that's a first
2020-03-15T15:22:42 < Cracki> lol
2020-03-15T15:22:51 < Cracki> I heard this sound funny a few seconds ago
2020-03-15T15:23:08 < Cracki> near t-12s
2020-03-15T15:23:49 < jadew> they added 15 minutes?
2020-03-15T15:23:59 < englishman> wheres the boom
2020-03-15T15:23:59 < mawk> yes
2020-03-15T15:24:02 < jadew> or it already failed?
2020-03-15T15:24:31 < Cracki> they reset the countdown
2020-03-15T15:24:40 < Cracki> 15 minutes is a default
2020-03-15T15:24:42 < jadew> it's not counting down anymore
2020-03-15T15:24:55 < jadew> so... it's canceled?
2020-03-15T15:25:01 < Cracki> listen to t-12 seconds, some hissing stopped abruptly, that was some kind of abort
2020-03-15T15:25:05 < Cracki> it's in hold
2020-03-15T15:25:09 < Cracki> they're looking
2020-03-15T15:25:49 < Cracki> sounds like they don't have a launch "window" but launch instant
2020-03-15T15:25:54 < jadew> glad I didn't click at t-30 min
2020-03-15T15:25:59 < Cracki> so it'll launch tomorrow maybe
2020-03-15T15:26:24 < BrainDamage> Cracki: our health system is based on the concept of "day hospital", get your stuff done and go home asap, so hospital beds are scaled accordingly
2020-03-15T15:26:36 < Cracki> same here, "more economical"
2020-03-15T15:27:19 < Cracki> I think... last time I was in a hospital, it still had lots of beds, and some chairs and benches near diagnostics etc
2020-03-15T15:28:21 < Cracki> not sure how they handle operations. I think you still get a bed assigned just in case they have to keep you for observation
2020-03-15T15:29:05 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/EccGiMJ.png
2020-03-15T15:29:19 < Cracki> all the patients we received into the OR tract came in beds too
2020-03-15T15:29:33 < Cracki> per fascia wat
2020-03-15T15:29:40 < BrainDamage> per age bin
2020-03-15T15:29:42 < Cracki> ah
2020-03-15T15:29:50 < Cracki> bundles of sticks
2020-03-15T15:30:15 < Cracki> wew women most affected, almost one in four!
2020-03-15T15:30:40 < BrainDamage> don't you mean least affected?
2020-03-15T15:30:58 < Cracki> https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-homeless-women/
2020-03-15T15:31:35 < Cracki> also "men die in wars, women most affected", it was an actual news piece
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2020-03-15T15:32:31 < Cracki> "-- arguably more so than men" https://www.jstor.org/stable/3877825?seq=1
2020-03-15T15:36:39 < BrainDamage> hopefully the healed count will start to rise soon ( it's faster to die than to recover )
2020-03-15T15:37:23 < englishman> the boomer concluder
2020-03-15T15:38:14 < jadew> BrainDamage, yeah, I kinda wonder when exactly they are considered healed
2020-03-15T15:42:00 < Cracki> about to eat sliced bread from october. place your bets
2020-03-15T15:42:31 < jadew> it's gonna be crunchy
2020-03-15T15:42:45 < Cracki> nah, it's been in the plastic bag ever since
2020-03-15T15:42:52 < Cracki> it's a bit dry but far from duck food
2020-03-15T15:42:55 < BrainDamage> if it was sealed, chances are it might be ok-ish
2020-03-15T15:43:10 < BrainDamage> they usually put a shitton of alcohol as preserver
2020-03-15T15:43:11 < Cracki> yeah it's amazing. if you handle it like a surgeon, it may stay fresh.
2020-03-15T15:43:28 < Cracki> not in this. I've had bags that spoiled within a week
2020-03-15T15:43:40 < Cracki> i am clearly not a surgeon
2020-03-15T15:44:17 < BrainDamage> I've had bread that if you took it fast out of the container and ate it, you'd feel the alcohol sting in your throat
2020-03-15T15:44:29 < jadew> https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/13/asia/china-coronavirus-us-lijian-zhao-intl-hnk/index.html
2020-03-15T15:45:43 < BrainDamage> let them rant, if they had real proofs they would't wage a media war
2020-03-15T15:46:34 < jadew> I've read in a romanian article on this topic that the US CDC had very early cases of death by pneumonia with turned out to be covid-19
2020-03-15T15:46:41 < jadew> I'm trying to find the source of that information tho
2020-03-15T15:46:51 < Cracki> lol is this like the "russia election meddling" conspiracy theory? where everyone knows it wasn't them
2020-03-15T15:47:02 < Cracki> israel is gonna be the first nation to have a vaccine
2020-03-15T15:47:25 < Cracki> purely by chance they decided to start a vaccine for coronaviruses before all of this
2020-03-15T15:47:35 < jadew> the chinese are saying that the athletes that came to china were already sick
2020-03-15T15:47:37 < Cracki> ok, it's a huge class and an obvious one, sars, mers, ...
2020-03-15T15:47:47 < jadew> and were found to have a strange pneumonia
2020-03-15T15:47:53 < jadew> that was in November I think
2020-03-15T15:48:57 < jadew> October
2020-03-15T15:49:10 < Cracki> maybe bill gates is responsible for the wu flu
2020-03-15T15:49:43 < Cracki> https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/first-covid-19-case-can-be-traced-back-to-november-2017-in-chinas-hubei-province-report/articleshow/74608199.cms
2020-03-15T15:49:46 < karlp> hrm, stick with stupid phoenix 5.08 mm pitch, or switch all to china cheap 5mm pitch.
2020-03-15T15:49:53 < karlp> no question, round metric numbers for the win
2020-03-15T15:50:28 < jpa-> why not cheap 5.08mm pitch?
2020-03-15T15:50:31 < Cracki> I wonder if they mistake "17" (day of month) for 2017
2020-03-15T15:50:39 < jadew> I think they did
2020-03-15T15:51:04 < Cracki> looks like machine stupidity. only the url has it expanded
2020-03-15T15:51:28 < jpa-> usually means the original title had 2017 and it was later fixed
2020-03-15T15:52:01 < jadew> jpa- is right
2020-03-15T15:53:32 < mawk> NL has sars antibodies before it started too Cracki 
2020-03-15T15:54:03 < Cracki> oh and somewhere they ask for plasma donations from recovered patients, to inject into sick people
2020-03-15T15:54:35 < jpa-> china has been doing serum transfers but with varying success
2020-03-15T15:54:54 < Cracki> wonder if a pint of plasma can be exchanged for a roll of TP or a can of soup
2020-03-15T15:55:57 < jadew> not on amazon it seems
2020-03-15T15:56:07 < BrainDamage> china has sent plasma and serums to italy from some of the recovvered
2020-03-15T15:56:58 < jadew> from one of the harvesting plants
2020-03-15T15:57:50 < jpa-> Cracki: you can now order toilet paper from most drug selling forums, pay with bitcoint and have it delivered to a dead drop
2020-03-15T15:58:21 < Cracki> xD aliex has  results for bat soup. three tshirts, a towel, some kitchen thingy, and some halloween deco
2020-03-15T15:58:22 < jadew> I would sell one roll of TP for 1 btc
2020-03-15T15:58:22 < BrainDamage> the anarco-libertarian dream
2020-03-15T15:59:08 < jadew> oh, and it looks like bitcoin is crashing
2020-03-15T15:59:22 < Cracki> they'll cut that stuff. you get half TP, half rolled up news paper
2020-03-15T15:59:41 < tomeaton17> .btc
2020-03-15T15:59:49 < Cracki> btc crashing? never
2020-03-15T15:59:58 < Cracki> it's just doing what it always does
2020-03-15T16:00:00 < jadew> lost 50% value in the past month
2020-03-15T16:00:06 < Cracki> sounds normal
2020-03-15T16:00:08 < Cracki> buy now
2020-03-15T16:00:13 < jadew> haha
2020-03-15T16:00:22 < tomeaton17> its well know to be very stable
2020-03-15T16:00:36 < jadew> yeah
2020-03-15T16:00:42 < mawk> it's just a slight dip before the $100 000 mark
2020-03-15T16:00:44 < mawk> don't worry
2020-03-15T16:00:48 < jadew> I think it's gonna crash really bad this time
2020-03-15T16:00:50 < Cracki> running start
2020-03-15T16:00:59 < mawk> has mcfee eaten his dick on national tv yet ?
2020-03-15T16:01:04 < Cracki> it'll go from 100k to 200k within 23 hours
2020-03-15T16:01:27 < dongs> https://youtu.be/JVuS4IS2Kvs?t=894 'liftoff... disregard'
2020-03-15T16:01:45 < Cracki> has he chopped it off or removed some vertebrae
2020-03-15T16:02:02 < tomeaton17> i thought he lost his mind from stims
2020-03-15T16:02:09 < mawk> yeah
2020-03-15T16:02:13 < mawk> he was taking a lot of rc stims
2020-03-15T16:02:18 < mawk> like mdpv and such, lots of paranoia 
2020-03-15T16:02:25 < mawk> "bath salts" like the media say
2020-03-15T16:02:37 < Cracki> walking test tube
2020-03-15T16:02:52 < tomeaton17> yeah stims arent for me
2020-03-15T16:04:07 < mawk> when I was taking mdpv I thought CIA had drones behind my walls and everything
2020-03-15T16:04:13 < mawk> after only 2 days
2020-03-15T16:04:19 < mawk> and limited money
2020-03-15T16:04:31 < Laurenceb> muh coronavirus
2020-03-15T16:04:36 < mawk> so I can't imagine in which state mcaffe found himself with the big stash he could've bought himself
2020-03-15T16:04:40 < Laurenceb> inb4 its all over an liek 10k people died
2020-03-15T16:04:46 < mawk> I don't know how he's not dead
2020-03-15T16:05:29 < jadew> Laurenceb, I think there will be around 20k dead at the end of this month
2020-03-15T16:05:34 < tomeaton17> doesnt sound very enjoyable mawk 
2020-03-15T16:05:42 < Cracki> maybe he channeled some money into new drug research
2020-03-15T16:06:03 < mawk> in lab rats it's been tested to be 80× more addictive than meth or something in that figure tomeaton17 , even if it's not enjoyable you keep taking it
2020-03-15T16:06:07 < tomeaton17> i thought he made the drugs himself
2020-03-15T16:06:20 < mawk> you need a solid degree in chemistry for that
2020-03-15T16:06:32 < mawk> and some classified substances, or make everything yourself and all
2020-03-15T16:06:36 < tomeaton17> sounds like a bad idea to try it in the first place
2020-03-15T16:06:43 < mawk> the vast majority of production of these things is china
2020-03-15T16:06:53 < mawk> even though it's death penalty for production of some analogs there
2020-03-15T16:07:09  * Laurenceb is working on his blimp design
2020-03-15T16:07:18 < tomeaton17> oh right
2020-03-15T16:07:23 < Laurenceb> or rather I'm not, I decided it was retarded and Musk-esque
2020-03-15T16:08:03 < Laurenceb> better to work on something thats a scaled down version of a real stratospheric solar system, rather than a retarded gimmick demo
2020-03-15T16:08:14 < tomeaton17> can you make westworld
2020-03-15T16:08:30 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-15T16:08:47 < Laurenceb> might scale it down so it just fits in my living room
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2020-03-15T16:08:56 < Laurenceb> inb4 I blow up the house with leaking H2
2020-03-15T16:09:25 < Cracki> wat's cooking
2020-03-15T16:09:43 < BrainDamage> make blimp to escape infection
2020-03-15T16:09:43 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/CharlotteAlter/status/1238984831436034050
2020-03-15T16:09:44 < Laurenceb> I wish BOC weren't assholes to deal with
2020-03-15T16:09:47 < Cracki> hindenburg!
2020-03-15T16:09:50 < Laurenceb> lol BrainDamage
2020-03-15T16:10:03 < Cracki> whats a boc, bong of color?
2020-03-15T16:10:14 < Laurenceb> uk gas monopoly company
2020-03-15T16:10:27 < Laurenceb> actually I think there is Air Products in Nottingham
2020-03-15T16:10:32 < Cracki> simply avoid old ppl like the plague
2020-03-15T16:10:36 < Cracki> they're saved
2020-03-15T16:11:08 < Cracki> we manufacture the finest airs for your enjoyment
2020-03-15T16:11:18 < tomeaton17> Thorn: ok boomer
2020-03-15T16:11:28 < Laurenceb> >when u use hydrogen as a lifting gas an people say "hindenburg"
2020-03-15T16:11:44 < Laurenceb> >because people are going to set ur blimp on fire at 20km altitude
2020-03-15T16:12:04 < Laurenceb> you know, liek maybe the 20km high smoking lounge
2020-03-15T16:12:32 < BrainDamage> on the other hand, a giant flaming fireball crashing down sounds badass
2020-03-15T16:13:46 < Laurenceb> it would just be some plastic film litter by the time it got to the ground
2020-03-15T16:13:49 < Cracki> how does the thin air up there affect it, if it burns?
2020-03-15T16:14:06 < englishman> dying of asphyxiation minutes before you hit the ground
2020-03-15T16:14:13 < Cracki> lot less oxygen should ensure it's not just going boom
2020-03-15T16:14:29 < BrainDamage> it'd slow down combustion
2020-03-15T16:14:34 < Laurenceb> aiui flammability does down a bit
2020-03-15T16:14:39 < BrainDamage> if not estinguish at all
2020-03-15T16:14:41 < Laurenceb> the low temperature helps a little too
2020-03-15T16:15:02 < BrainDamage> hydrogen is flammable in concentrations between 15% and 80% iirc
2020-03-15T16:15:15 < BrainDamage> in STP air
2020-03-15T16:16:11 < Cracki> how's high altitude lightning
2020-03-15T16:16:34 < Laurenceb> Cracki: grounded by the HV tether lines/conductors
2020-03-15T16:16:40 < Cracki> random google pics lead me to believe normal lightning is up to 10 km and farther up it's "weird"
2020-03-15T16:16:55 < Cracki> grounded means it will attract lightning?
2020-03-15T16:16:58 < BrainDamage> I'd be more concerned about things like the electronics catching fire
2020-03-15T16:16:59 < Laurenceb> now one open question is if a load of these would effect global climate by shorting out thunderstorms
2020-03-15T16:17:17 < Laurenceb> we tried lighting latex balloons filled with H2 over in #highaltitude
2020-03-15T16:17:26 < Laurenceb> v bad idea, but not due to the H2
2020-03-15T16:17:51 < Laurenceb> the balloons spit high speed chunks of burning latex for ~10m in every direction
2020-03-15T16:17:53 < BrainDamage> wouldn't the lightning EMI scramble up the electronics?
2020-03-15T16:17:57 < Cracki> by shorting you limit thunderstorms to stay below the power needed to cause lighting... sounds like that'd tame them?
2020-03-15T16:18:00 < Laurenceb> like a napalm bomb
2020-03-15T16:18:34 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: the whole thing would be dumb, no electronics
2020-03-15T16:18:43 < Laurenceb> Cracki: yeah
2020-03-15T16:19:06 < Cracki> so you get electricity, potentially
2020-03-15T16:19:25 < Cracki> grounding it would... heat up the ground?
2020-03-15T16:19:25 < Laurenceb> >atmospheric electricity
2020-03-15T16:19:43 < BrainDamage> you're exchanging electricity for rain
2020-03-15T16:19:50 < BrainDamage> not sure people would be happy
2020-03-15T16:20:02 < Laurenceb> https://hackaday.com/2015/11/22/who-is-john-galt-finally-answered/
2020-03-15T16:20:20 < Cracki> wouldn't that "just" shift humidity upwards until stuff comes down?
2020-03-15T16:20:56 < Cracki> I'm not seeing how a storm has to have lightning to turn humidity into rain
2020-03-15T16:20:57 < dongs> video title should have been
2020-03-15T16:21:01 < dongs> powering with autistic stupidity
2020-03-15T16:21:09 < dongs> starring laurence/b/
2020-03-15T16:21:27 < BrainDamage> Cracki: charge separation is a consequence of convection of ice particles and rain droplets
2020-03-15T16:21:38 < Cracki> >corona motor
2020-03-15T16:21:58 < Cracki> consequence, sure
2020-03-15T16:22:11 < Cracki> but what happens if you prevent accumulation of charge
2020-03-15T16:22:26 < Cracki> by conducting it away
2020-03-15T16:22:54 < Cracki> I'm thinking of that experiment with the dripping tap and the charged plates deflecting the drop
2020-03-15T16:22:57 < BrainDamage> then the convection goes even faster and water will rain much more
2020-03-15T16:23:17 < BrainDamage> so locally it will rain, a lot
2020-03-15T16:23:18 < Cracki> so... grounded storm = rain right here very much
2020-03-15T16:23:27 < Cracki> sounds useful
2020-03-15T16:23:43 < Cracki> send some blimps up above dry agriculture
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2020-03-15T16:24:10 < Cracki> or post them around cities to spare the city dwellers from getting wet
2020-03-15T16:24:40 < Cracki> or send them up at night when nobody is bothered. free non-pressure washing of shit off sidewalks
2020-03-15T16:24:44 < BrainDamage> well, it's make thunderstorm floods way more intense
2020-03-15T16:24:51 < BrainDamage> it won't make it rain where it doesn't
2020-03-15T16:25:05 < BrainDamage> and it'll make other zones more arid by discharging more water locally
2020-03-15T16:25:21 < Cracki> so blimp anchors have to move around
2020-03-15T16:25:34 < Cracki> order a blimp anchor like a pizza
2020-03-15T16:27:37 < dongs> https://img.ifunny.co/images/777ee88364ab6f026961ed9b2b18a49c0ffa95ef8e43387f76af5b2acbd77375_1.jpg
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2020-03-15T16:29:24 < englishman> lol
2020-03-15T16:29:32 < Cracki> horseless carriage, stinks more than a horse, slower, bumpier, expensive upkeep, expensive to buy, nobody knows how to operate it
2020-03-15T16:30:08 < Cracki> only consolation is that most people playing with AI seem to be poor at it
2020-03-15T16:34:39 < Steffanx> hm
2020-03-15T16:35:02 < dongs> thats cuz they're using python
2020-03-15T16:35:14 < dongs> god damn retards
2020-03-15T16:35:21 < dongs> can you iamgine using the least suitable bullshit interpreted langauge
2020-03-15T16:35:29 < dongs> for somethign that needs to be processed fast
2020-03-15T16:35:36 < dongs> and then they have no fucking idea what they're doing
2020-03-15T16:35:42 < dongs> so thety're writing absolute shit unreadable code
2020-03-15T16:36:01 < BrainDamage> the pything libs only load the wiring to the native code
2020-03-15T16:36:23 < BrainDamage> it could be a plain text file without much loss of functionality
2020-03-15T16:36:36 < BrainDamage> and the same applies for other languages
2020-03-15T16:36:45 < Steffanx> Hows the COVID-19 progressing mawk?
2020-03-15T16:36:57 < dongs> BrainDamage: i dont care
2020-03-15T16:37:01 < dongs> python is a faggot language
2020-03-15T16:37:03 < Cracki> python is easy. it does attract the "simpleton" crowd. it's similar to php.
2020-03-15T16:37:14 < dongs> if there are native libs then they can call the shit from C just same way
2020-03-15T16:37:15 < Cracki> but a difficult language only makes it unnecessarily difficult to work on a problem.
2020-03-15T16:37:17 < dongs> but yet niggers choose python
2020-03-15T16:37:17 < mawk> dunno Steffanx 
2020-03-15T16:37:21 < mawk> it's fluctuating
2020-03-15T16:37:27 < mawk> for now it's fine, but I bet in a few hours it'll be back
2020-03-15T16:37:56 < Steffanx> awesome.
2020-03-15T16:38:01 < Thorn> dongs: if python is unreadable then what is readable? perl? OS/400 CL?
2020-03-15T16:38:02 < tomeaton17> imagine getting triggered by ifunny
2020-03-15T16:38:07 < mawk> at least python is a consistent language with which you can accomplish complex tasks Cracki 
2020-03-15T16:38:12 < mawk> all the countrary of PHP
2020-03-15T16:38:22 < Cracki> I do most of my work in python, unless it's embedded stuff
2020-03-15T16:38:33 < Cracki> it's glue code, and python is very good at that
2020-03-15T16:39:24 < Cracki> and if you have to write non-glue, you can use cython
2020-03-15T16:39:59 < Cracki> my comparison to php was to say... eternal september
2020-03-15T16:40:46 < Cracki> low barrier to entry means you get more of those. it's not barrier to entry though, it's low friction *throughout*
2020-03-15T16:41:15 < Cracki> as a professional, I would always prefer the easier to work with language because it wastes less of my effort
2020-03-15T16:41:48 < BrainDamage> I prefer to think python as a consistent interface to various libs
2020-03-15T16:42:10 < Cracki> yeah the wealth of libraries having python bindings is one of its strengths
2020-03-15T16:42:13 < mawk> noooooooo BrainDamage 
2020-03-15T16:42:25 < mawk> not my python
2020-03-15T16:42:52 < Cracki> I'd love to get into some other languages but when you look for libraries... you have to lower your expectations
2020-03-15T16:43:27 < tomeaton17> like?
2020-03-15T16:44:11 < Cracki> one example: opencv. c# bindings exist, but not officially. javascript bindings (or a crosscompilation) exist, but not for much of the whole API, and docs are lacking
2020-03-15T16:44:16 < Cracki> i'd like to use more lisp...
2020-03-15T16:44:28 < Cracki> common lisp has a foreign function interface, sure
2020-03-15T16:44:49 < Cracki> numpy is a "killer app" for python.
2020-03-15T16:44:54 < Cracki> it's matlab, except not matlab
2020-03-15T16:45:14 < Cracki> looks like someone made "numpy" for common lisp https://github.com/numcl/numcl
2020-03-15T16:45:36 < dongs> Thorn: C is readable
2020-03-15T16:45:56 < Cracki> how do you handle multidimensional arrays in C easily
2020-03-15T16:46:11 < Cracki> you'd want objects/classes for that at least
2020-03-15T16:46:14 < dongs> int nigger[][][];
2020-03-15T16:46:17 < dongs> whats wrong with that?
2020-03-15T16:46:24 < Steffanx> I can write some unreadable C for you dongs.
2020-03-15T16:46:26 < Cracki> load that from file :P
2020-03-15T16:46:29 < doomba> it's the 3d negromatrix
2020-03-15T16:46:31 < dongs> cracki, and?
2020-03-15T16:46:47 < Cracki> file contains unknown dimension sizes
2020-03-15T16:46:53 < dongs> just because you can do it in one line of gaython doesn't make it superior
2020-03-15T16:46:57 < doomba> it will be used for watermelon and rims
2020-03-15T16:47:05 < Cracki> now you have to pass around a struct containing the pointer and dimension sizes
2020-03-15T16:47:07 < dongs> that just means you're a lazy cunt
2020-03-15T16:47:10 < Cracki> so now you have an "object"
2020-03-15T16:47:13 < dongs> yeah and?
2020-03-15T16:47:26 < Cracki> C is nice, but on a lower level of abstraction
2020-03-15T16:47:30 < tomeaton17> they're different paradigms suitable for different things
2020-03-15T16:47:44 < Cracki> obviously there are things python can't do but C can, because the problem requires that level
2020-03-15T16:48:24 < Cracki> lol that numcl thing is (c) IBM
2020-03-15T16:48:39 < bitmask> good morning
2020-03-15T16:49:13 < Steffanx> Gooday mr bitmask
2020-03-15T16:49:38 < bitmask> time to test my circuit, first test last night was a success, couldnt believe it
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2020-03-15T16:51:38 < Cracki> russian proverb: not my circuit, not my mosfets
2020-03-15T16:51:59 < Cracki> *polish
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2020-03-15T17:14:13 < Laurenceb> oh noes
2020-03-15T17:14:17 < Laurenceb> not muh Disneyland
2020-03-15T17:14:28 < Steffanx> Goodbye Laurence
2020-03-15T17:15:18 < Laurenceb> we're all going to die, and we wont even got to go to Disneyland or sportsball
2020-03-15T17:15:24 < Laurenceb> *get
2020-03-15T17:17:36 < Steffanx> Cant even get drunk in the pub.
2020-03-15T17:19:13 < Laurenceb> sick hobby: load worldometer and watch the death toll counter increase
2020-03-15T17:20:34 < Steffanx> That or baby shaking.
2020-03-15T17:22:55 < specing> babby shaking
2020-03-15T17:29:06 < Cracki> doesn't that thing update on its own?
2020-03-15T17:29:27 < Cracki> perhaps with some linear extrapolation between polls
2020-03-15T17:30:56 < bitmask> https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
2020-03-15T17:31:10 < Cracki> ooh new deaths for germany
2020-03-15T17:32:57 < mawk> what happens if I don't have insurance Steffanx 
2020-03-15T17:32:59 < mawk> I go to jail ?
2020-03-15T17:33:02 < mawk> can I negociate to pay the fee myself ?
2020-03-15T17:33:17 < mawk> I bought an insurance but didn't receive the card yet
2020-03-15T17:33:21 < mawk> at zorgdirect
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2020-03-15T17:50:20 < Thorn> NSAIDs make condition of ##corona32 patients worse. apparently many young people who ended up in ICUs took them to reduce fever https://twitter.com/olivierveran/status/1238776545398923264
2020-03-15T17:50:22 < bitmask> could a mosfet be partially fried and still work but produce a lot of heat?
2020-03-15T17:50:39 < bitmask> not sure why this one fet is so hot
2020-03-15T17:51:13 < specing> corona32?
2020-03-15T17:51:20 < mawk> when my gf had the flu she took NSAIDs Thorn 
2020-03-15T17:51:25 < Thorn> usually in a partially fried mosfet the gate starts to conduct
2020-03-15T17:51:26 < specing> Is that legacy thing before we get corona64?
2020-03-15T17:51:27 < mawk> it triggered atrocious dental pain
2020-03-15T17:51:36 < bitmask> hmm
2020-03-15T17:51:39 < mawk> then at the ICU they said "of course you shouldn't take this, it triggers infections"
2020-03-15T17:51:58 < mawk> and that the market authorization would be revoked any instant
2020-03-15T17:52:03 < mawk> that didn't happen apparently
2020-03-15T17:58:03 < Cracki> thx thorn, I bought ibuprofen yesterday, looks like for nothing
2020-03-15T17:58:27 < Cracki> I have paracetamol tho :P
2020-03-15T17:59:34 < Cracki> wat, NSAIDs off the market? good to know
2020-03-15T18:00:00 < kakigate> NSAIDs can be generalized to be counter-beneficial in any infection
2020-03-15T18:00:03 < Thorn> what do you replace them with though? opioids?
2020-03-15T18:00:23 < kakigate> also you can hide fever with NSAIDs and that is why they banned them in cina
2020-03-15T18:00:30 < Steffanx> No school for you tomorrow mawk.
2020-03-15T18:00:39 < Steffanx> nor going to the pub
2020-03-15T18:00:44 < Steffanx> or the gym
2020-03-15T18:01:08 < Steffanx> oh and your kid cant go to the kindergarten
2020-03-15T18:01:40 < kakigate> ibu claimed to increase ACE2 too
2020-03-15T18:02:01 < kakigate> also blood pressure++
2020-03-15T18:02:48 < Steffanx> Need citations for this kakigate :P
2020-03-15T18:03:00 < Steffanx> I mean: Do you know this, or are you reading this right now somewhere
2020-03-15T18:03:30 < kakigate> only thing only a claim is ACE2 thing
2020-03-15T18:03:58 < kakigate> other two are general wikipedia-level knowledge
2020-03-15T18:04:07 < Steffanx> Time to do a Biology study?
2020-03-15T18:04:35 < Thorn> http://www.nephjc.com/news/covidace2
2020-03-15T18:04:51 < englishman> infection rate soaring higher than spacex
2020-03-15T18:07:31 < kakigate> funland doesn't comply to any WHO recommendations..
2020-03-15T18:08:48 < PaulFertser> Thorn: what's your opinion about the russian situation? If communal infection is on its way, why there's no evidence of exponential growth of pneumonia cases?
2020-03-15T18:09:17 < doomba> because russia and iran are just mass-executing the infected
2020-03-15T18:09:24 < doomba> just like we did in syria
2020-03-15T18:09:50 < Steffanx> doomba:  this reminds me of https://media.dumpert.nl/foto/6f8d945e_Schermafbeelding_2020_03_14_om_06.58.37.png.png
2020-03-15T18:09:56 < mawk> and not paracetamol kakigate ?
2020-03-15T18:09:57 < doomba> they've long pulled the liveleak vids showing 2 miles long lines of blindfolded civilians being lead to the end of a peer, shot in the back of the head and thrown in
2020-03-15T18:09:58 < mawk> hiding fever
2020-03-15T18:09:59 < Steffanx> jpeg compression <3
2020-03-15T18:10:03 < mawk> it's an antipyretic too
2020-03-15T18:11:24 < kakigate> literally only two practical thing parlament has done is recommended to not organize events larger than 500participants and 10million euros for fight against the virus
2020-03-15T18:11:51 < Steffanx> How many people does finland have kakigate?
2020-03-15T18:11:55 < Steffanx> and how many of those go outside anyway
2020-03-15T18:12:01 < kakigate> 5.7
2020-03-15T18:12:10 < kakigate> or something
2020-03-15T18:12:16 < Steffanx> Here we have 17.something M in a country much smaller.
2020-03-15T18:12:43 < Steffanx> and things are going sideways
2020-03-15T18:13:11 < englishman> did you stock up on waffel schnapps
2020-03-15T18:13:16 < Steffanx> not at all
2020-03-15T18:13:17 < Steffanx> fuck waffles.
2020-03-15T18:13:32 < kakigate> do you even have green/red/fem gov steff?
2020-03-15T18:13:52 < Steffanx> Whats red? Communism?
2020-03-15T18:14:06 < PaulFertser> doomba: I do not think hiding regular mass murderings is possible in a country with wide spread internet connectivity.
2020-03-15T18:14:07 < kakigate> far left and modest red
2020-03-15T18:14:31 < emeb> lol yes - saw some of that stroopwafel flavored liquor at the store. hard pass.
2020-03-15T18:15:05 < kakigate> PaulFertser: me neather
2020-03-15T18:15:41 < doomba> PaulFertser: it is. they can publish the videos of it and stories about it all they want. main stream media will say it's fake news and the NPCs will go about their business
2020-03-15T18:15:54 < Steffanx> It's very hard to give it a colour kakigate. 
2020-03-15T18:16:16 < PaulFertser> doomba: but the videos will still be there. And so far there aren't any.
2020-03-15T18:16:45 < Thorn> PaulFertser: someone recently compiled reports from regional media, according to which the #s of hospital patients with flu and pneumonia are growing exponentially
2020-03-15T18:16:56 < Thorn> I can't find the link though
2020-03-15T18:17:12 < Thorn> conspiracy theorists are already saying "we have more dead than Italy"
2020-03-15T18:17:31 < kakigate> should I be worried if stuff in my internal network time to time appears with new key to putty client?
2020-03-15T18:17:50 < PaulFertser> Thorn: exponential growth would necessarily mean hospitals overload, and that's impossible to hide.
2020-03-15T18:18:07 < Steffanx> Not if you keep reinstalling hte OS or something, kakigate?
2020-03-15T18:18:14 < kakigate> nope
2020-03-15T18:18:15 < Thorn> PaulFertser: here's a "balanced viewpoint" https://thebell.io/chislo-zabolevshih-pnevmoniej-v-moskve-v-yanvare-vyroslo-na-37
2020-03-15T18:18:19 < Steffanx> oh trash your keys.
2020-03-15T18:18:35 < Steffanx> putty sucks anyway.
2020-03-15T18:18:56 < PaulFertser> And if it's already happening you should be able to tell in how many days the overload is going to happen.
2020-03-15T18:19:34 < kakigate> once I had connection to raspi open and opened another connection.. both times it said host is new
2020-03-15T18:20:09 < PaulFertser> Thorn: this article is truly meaningless :( It doesn't make any sense to compare just two numbers when talking about trends. Absolutely no sense.
2020-03-15T18:22:50 < Steffanx> mawk around 17.30 they'll come with new updates/regulations. Better learn dutch to watch it live :P
2020-03-15T18:24:45 < Thorn> rumor: Putin has already signed a decree declaring state of emergency but with an open date
2020-03-15T18:25:24 < specing> He will Putout the pandemic
2020-03-15T18:25:45 < BrainDamage> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/273407092344356874/688757595615527039/vqf0tjm1gtm41.png
2020-03-15T18:28:13 < bitmask> haha
2020-03-15T18:29:04 < kakigate> not totally correct.. In USA it's fine as long as you are rich or very rich
2020-03-15T18:29:58 < kakigate> you have personal nurse to watch over you and serve your requests.. it's like hotel for sick
2020-03-15T18:30:38 < kakigate> doctors are the best than money can buy
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2020-03-15T18:31:58 < kakigate> and they test you relentlessly
2020-03-15T18:34:11 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA4KS546rZo
2020-03-15T18:35:20 < BrainDamage> "omg 0_o ppl in nl have t-25 minutes to buy some weed before the shops close till 6 april"
2020-03-15T18:35:21 < BrainDamage> "gov. wants them to close at 18:00"
2020-03-15T18:35:39 < BrainDamage> better stock up Steffanx and mawk
2020-03-15T18:38:50 < mawk> I still have a few joints left
2020-03-15T18:38:53 < englishman> haha
2020-03-15T18:41:54 < karlp> jpa-: fair point, cheapest 5.08 is ~10c a piece, but cheapest 5.00 is ~6c a piece.
2020-03-15T18:42:33 < karlp> and just my own sensibility is to fuck off stupid things like 5.08 on principle.  what's that 1/4" or somethjing?
2020-03-15T18:42:59 < englishman> 0.2
2020-03-15T18:43:04 < englishman> and yes
2020-03-15T18:43:08 < englishman> fuck that
2020-03-15T18:44:00 < Thorn> the Chinese are universally labeling 2.5mm XH as 2.54 so whether it's actually going to be 5 or 5.08 is an open question
2020-03-15T18:44:29 < englishman> only if you use aliexpress as your supply chain
2020-03-15T18:50:18 < Thorn> btw I recently had to put a 9 pin XH socket into a 2.54mm footprint (designed for a dupont header) on 25 identical boards. it fit every time.
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2020-03-15T18:54:34 < Steffanx> I dont smoke. Not anything BrainDamage 
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2020-03-15T19:16:56 < Thorn> Mentor Graphics will issue extra PADS/Xpedition licenses for Russian engineers working from home due to ##corona32
2020-03-15T19:17:40 < Steffanx> Lol
2020-03-15T19:20:41 < Thorn> (only if your employer is already a customer)
2020-03-15T19:22:15 < Laurenceb> sheet
2020-03-15T19:22:28 < Laurenceb>  +21% on yesterday in uk
2020-03-15T19:23:49 < Laurenceb> everyone is going to die confirmed
2020-03-15T19:24:23 < Thorn> no worries, Poland will repopulate the former UK
2020-03-15T19:24:49 < Laurenceb> lmao
2020-03-15T19:30:30 < Laurenceb> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51852637
2020-03-15T19:30:34 < Laurenceb> herp derp
2020-03-15T19:30:43 < Laurenceb> >because renewable energy runs 24/7
2020-03-15T19:43:39 < specing> Laurenceb: wind actually does
2020-03-15T19:44:31 < jadew> 368 dead reported today in Italy
2020-03-15T19:44:50 < jadew> we're at 600/day worldwide
2020-03-15T19:47:00 < jadew> I think yesterday they didn't report correctly, because it didn't fit my prediction, but they recovered today and the numbers are following the trend precisely
2020-03-15T19:48:10 < jadew> they should have had ~271 dead yesterday, with about 295 today
2020-03-15T19:48:59 < jadew> (they only reported 175 yesterday)
2020-03-15T19:49:42 < jadew> so my prediction for these two days was 566 for Italy, and it's now 543
2020-03-15T19:49:57 < jadew> slightly better than the curve was predicting
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2020-03-15T19:58:33 < Cracki> what's your prediction for... now + 60 days
2020-03-15T20:00:30 < Cracki> I'm getting pressured into using teamspeak/mumble/... because people need to talk for an hour "in front of" a handful of people instead of writing an email
2020-03-15T20:01:31 < Cracki> dude wants to "discuss" what to do now... while there's nothing we can base any plans on
2020-03-15T20:12:21 < qyx> press conference is happening now, we are closing everything with some exceptions for the enxt 14 days
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2020-03-15T20:27:52 < Thorn> https://yandex.ru/web-maps/covid19
2020-03-15T20:34:47 < Cracki> I need cloud-to-butt butt for "covid"
2020-03-15T20:35:51 < Cracki> these medical distinctions between the virus and the disease (literally dis-ease, pneumonia) are splitting hairs to most people. it's like HIV and AIDS
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2020-03-15T20:37:29 < PaulFertser> But that's important really. Having HIV is kinda OK these days while having AIDS is a total disaster.
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2020-03-15T20:41:49 < englishman> what you are referring to as gnu/aids is actually gnu+aids
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2020-03-15T20:45:34 < mawk> lol
2020-03-15T20:46:11 < mawk> you know you're going straight to hell with these comments englishman 
2020-03-15T20:46:25 < englishman> mawk
2020-03-15T20:46:25 < mawk> when our father Stallman in heavens will judge your life deeds
2020-03-15T20:46:34 < mawk> yes ?
2020-03-15T20:46:38 < englishman> C'est une pandémie seulement si ça vient de la province Pandémie en France, sinon c'est juste un rhume mousseux
2020-03-15T20:46:43 < mawk> lol
2020-03-15T20:46:51 < mawk> a foamy cold
2020-03-15T20:50:00 < qyx> ok so my device reboots because of UVLO
2020-03-15T20:50:16 < qyx> nucleo board 5V is dropping < 4.3V
2020-03-15T20:51:07 < Cracki> why is it doing that
2020-03-15T20:55:30 < qyx> because theres a diode for some reason
2020-03-15T20:55:35 < qyx> series diode
2020-03-15T20:55:36 < qyx> on usb
2020-03-15T21:00:36 < Cracki> ah, one of the "cheap" ones that drops 0.7v instead of less
2020-03-15T21:01:14 < Cracki> arduinos care about that because they like to run at 5v. nucleos seem not to?
2020-03-15T21:01:38 < qyx> 5V is not really used, theres LDO after it anyway
2020-03-15T21:01:46 < Cracki> what's your device that uvlos at 4.3v?
2020-03-15T21:01:50 < Cracki> right
2020-03-15T21:01:51 < qyx> I ws just using it to power a 5V thing
2020-03-15T21:01:58 < qyx> because no psu here
2020-03-15T21:02:04 < Cracki> bypass :D
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2020-03-15T21:15:45 < englishman> Vbusmin is 4.4V below 100mA, plus your diode
2020-03-15T21:15:51 < englishman> looks within spec to me
2020-03-15T21:17:27 < Steffanx> No hamsteren mawk: https://mobile.twitter.com/Darch/status/1239234789728759813
2020-03-15T21:20:07 < Thorn> https://www.instagram.com/p/B9vVQ7XAQwl/
2020-03-15T21:26:01 < Cracki> what's the next irrational thing people will buy in a frenzy?
2020-03-15T21:26:16 < englishman> look on the bright side steffy
2020-03-15T21:26:24 < englishman> .ch has 2x as many cases as .nl
2020-03-15T21:28:31 < jadew> Cracki, sorry, I was afk
2020-03-15T21:28:55 < jadew> for now + 60 days it's 850k
2020-03-15T21:28:56 < Cracki> it's ok, I forgot already what it was
2020-03-15T21:29:00 < Cracki> heh
2020-03-15T21:29:26 < jadew> end of the month, I think we'll have around 20k
2020-03-15T21:30:24 < jadew> the death curve is out of phase with the number of cases, so the quarantine measures should start showing up in the numbers
2020-03-15T21:30:39 < jadew> hopefully it will start leveling off before that
2020-03-15T21:31:19 < jadew> end of next month, ~250k
2020-03-15T21:34:12 < Steffanx> Bye jadew
2020-03-15T21:34:23 < Steffanx> Hows hoarding 
2020-03-15T21:34:34 < jadew> almost done
2020-03-15T21:35:21 < jadew> I didn't prepare for too long
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2020-03-15T21:35:42 < tomeaton17> did you buy loads of toilet paper?
2020-03-15T21:35:57 < jadew> I bought enough for a month or so
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2020-03-15T21:36:35 < tomeaton17> haha classic
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2020-03-15T21:37:36 < jadew> well, in cases like this, you have to prepare against the panic too
2020-03-15T21:37:51 < jadew> I think two weeks from now stores will be fully stocked again
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2020-03-15T21:38:19 < jadew> some items might be missing completely at some point, but there'll surely be replacements
2020-03-15T21:38:58 < qyx> leaves will be sprouting
2020-03-15T21:38:58 < tomeaton17> obviously
2020-03-15T21:39:22 < qyx> many things to clean your poo
2020-03-15T21:39:55 < tomeaton17> yes a very crucial requirement for survival which has been used since the human race began
2020-03-15T21:40:19 < jadew> yeah, but I don't think people want this to be survival island
2020-03-15T21:40:39 < jadew> they want things to go on just like before, with proper TP and warm food
2020-03-15T21:41:44 < jadew> also, the fact that this will last for at least 6 months, doesn't help anyone go like "you know what, I'll just buy less."
2020-03-15T21:43:40 < qyx> pcie obsession #8: backplane arrived https://bin.jvnv.net/file/VnRZl.JPG
2020-03-15T21:43:43 < tomeaton17> people arent going to be panic buying for 6 months 
2020-03-15T21:44:10 < jadew> qyx, looks neat
2020-03-15T21:44:26 < jadew> what are those stands tho?
2020-03-15T21:44:29 < jadew> are they custom?
2020-03-15T21:44:52 < qyx> which stands?
2020-03-15T21:45:04 < qyx> for miniPCI-e?
2020-03-15T21:45:06 < tomeaton17> is it sdr?
2020-03-15T21:45:21 < jadew> yeah, the ones where there's no connector
2020-03-15T21:45:28 < jadew> the board seems to sit on something
2020-03-15T21:46:38 < mawk> I just thought, I have three cardboard boxes of student's chinese pastas
2020-03-15T21:46:43 < mawk> I'm saved, no need to hamster
2020-03-15T21:47:16 < mawk> lol "gifje"
2020-03-15T21:47:48 < qyx> jadew: oh those are not stands for the pcb, they are a replacement for miniPCI-e card screws
2020-03-15T21:49:11 < qyx> https://www.tme.eu/sk/details/119a-92a00.set/konektory-ku-kartam/attend/119a-92a00-r02-set/
2020-03-15T21:50:42 < jadew> oh, I get it now
2020-03-15T21:50:53 < jadew> perspective problem
2020-03-15T21:57:31 < mawk> you need to expand your mind jadew
2020-03-15T21:57:34 < mawk> you have perspective issues
2020-03-15T21:57:46 < mawk> join my prayer group today and open your third eye
2020-03-15T21:58:31 < mawk> having no meds is less bad than I thought Steffanx 
2020-03-15T21:58:37 < mawk> some joint and some paracetamol does the trick
2020-03-15T21:58:42 < mawk> if I forget the back pain for a second
2020-03-15T22:04:40 < bitmask> oh noes, houston we have a problem
2020-03-15T22:05:20 < mawk> you're in trouble too bitmask 
2020-03-15T22:05:24 < mawk> if there's a shortage of meds
2020-03-15T22:05:29 < mawk> quick hamster some
2020-03-15T22:06:16 < bitmask> my circuit doesn't work well for low voltages and thats what its meant to be for
2020-03-15T22:06:38 < mawk> have a negative supply for the mass
2020-03-15T22:06:40 < mawk> problem solved
2020-03-15T22:06:53 < bitmask> these mosfets threshold is 1.9 and 1.0v and im only gonna have like 1.3v
2020-03-15T22:08:06 < bitmask> it still works somehow but it gets hot at 1A
2020-03-15T22:08:28 < bitmask> since I probably wont be using it at 1A it would probably be fine but I should probably fix it
2020-03-15T22:10:24 < kakimir> >china recloses 2 cities after just 1day open
2020-03-15T22:14:12 < Steffanx> Will you get some tomorrow or .. is it work time for mawk?
2020-03-15T22:14:20 < Steffanx> i cannot imagine you will go to work though
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2020-03-15T22:18:36 < mawk> we tele-work
2020-03-15T22:18:41 < mawk> I'll go at the lunch break
2020-03-15T22:18:44 < mawk> if they didn't close their offices
2020-03-15T22:18:46 < mawk> that would be the worst
2020-03-15T22:19:03 < mawk> I'm doing software currently so I can telework
2020-03-15T22:19:09 < mawk> hardware guys go in the office, but like 2 at a time
2020-03-15T22:19:16 < mawk> and production guys need to go there too
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2020-03-15T22:20:46 < Steffanx> HW guys at work will probably remote desktop into the office. Altium works surprisingly well over RDP.
2020-03-15T22:21:33 < karlp> isn't that how aandrew uses altium all the time?
2020-03-15T22:21:42 < karlp> he runs it on an esxi server iirc.
2020-03-15T22:21:50 < Steffanx> oh perhaps, but that is local i assume?
2020-03-15T22:22:02 < Steffanx> He uses his kids to get cheap licenses.
2020-03-15T22:22:37 < mawk> lol
2020-03-15T22:22:45 < mawk> my step father did that with me too
2020-03-15T22:22:54 < mawk> take me to apple store to get student cutoff
2020-03-15T22:23:00 < Steffanx> hah
2020-03-15T22:24:13 < karlp> Steffanx: I presume it's wihin his office yes, but still.
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2020-03-15T22:45:41  * Laurenceb is playing with finite element blimps
2020-03-15T22:46:05 < Laurenceb> interesting finding - stressed skin works really well as a design element, as might be expected
2020-03-15T22:46:35 < Cracki> lampshades?
2020-03-15T22:46:36 < Laurenceb> but if the skin is distorted by a side load, it can lose all effective stiffness
2020-03-15T22:46:39 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-15T22:47:06 < Laurenceb> as it bows and behaves like a much lower stiffness element
2020-03-15T22:48:28 < Laurenceb> for my saucer blimps, an outer aerodynamic fairing skin around the perimeter makes it much stronger
2020-03-15T22:53:24 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1239217522093764608
2020-03-15T22:54:08 < Steffanx> Yeah, awesome.. when true
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2020-03-15T22:54:21 < Laurenceb> how the hell were aircraft designed pre finite element/CFD
2020-03-15T22:54:28 < Laurenceb> just a blimp is a nightmare...
2020-03-15T22:54:51 < specing> they were just built and then they flew
2020-03-15T22:54:54 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-15T22:54:58 < specing> none of this CFD rubbish
2020-03-15T22:55:05 < Laurenceb> >pilot died, stiffen this part
2020-03-15T22:55:15 < Steffanx> Its not rocket science ;)
2020-03-15T22:55:24 < specing> by the time you draw up the mesh, the plane would have already circled the globe
2020-03-15T22:55:32 < Steffanx> Then it would be a rockoon, and not a blimp.
2020-03-15T22:55:46 < Hamilton> Last time I was here, there was a law about being on-topic :)
2020-03-15T22:55:55 < Steffanx> Law?
2020-03-15T22:56:05 < Laurenceb> I have a shitpost Loicense
2020-03-15T22:56:11 < Steffanx> Nowadays mainly COVID-32 is the topic.
2020-03-15T22:56:15 < Thorn> welcome to ##corona32
2020-03-15T22:56:20 < Hamilton> I don't know...I said something and people said stay on topic :D
2020-03-15T22:56:29 < Laurenceb> from her majesty the queen
2020-03-15T22:56:50 < Steffanx> i bet it was specing Hamilton. He was like that when he joined ##stm32
2020-03-15T22:57:16 < Hamilton> Steffanx, nah, I remeber it was an English guy
2020-03-15T22:57:17 < specing> yes
2020-03-15T22:57:24 < specing> Stay on topic
2020-03-15T22:58:07 < Steffanx> Did he also tell you to use Ada and not C, Hamilton?
2020-03-15T22:59:04 < Hamilton> Steffanx, no Imma rewrite #stm32 in rust...you know better security and inclusive community :D
2020-03-15T23:00:51  * specing takes away Hamilton's oxygen
2020-03-15T23:00:53 < specing> no more rusting
2020-03-15T23:00:58 < specing> not under my watch
2020-03-15T23:01:02 < specing> also no more C or C++
2020-03-15T23:01:29 < specing> But I'll tolerate Haskell
2020-03-15T23:01:34 < mawk> lol inclusive community
2020-03-15T23:01:35 < Hamilton> specing, You work in space industry?
2020-03-15T23:01:49 < specing> Hamilton: no
2020-03-15T23:01:59 < mawk> he just recognizes the mighty glory of Ada
2020-03-15T23:02:01 < specing> I'm a hobbyist right now
2020-03-15T23:02:14 < specing> And Ada is the best embedded language I've ever seen
2020-03-15T23:02:16 < specing> like
2020-03-15T23:02:17 < specing> by far
2020-03-15T23:02:50 < mawk> à dada sur mon poney
2020-03-15T23:02:59 < Steffanx> je ne parle pas français
2020-03-15T23:03:05 < mawk> it's a children's song
2020-03-15T23:03:09 < mawk> with "ada" in it
2020-03-15T23:03:17 < mawk> "riding my poney"
2020-03-15T23:03:58 < Cracki> lol "bombshell". if a german 'government source' says anything, you can be sure it's "orange man bad"
2020-03-15T23:04:05 < Hamilton> by the way did the americans "find" the cure? Telegram channels here are talking about it
2020-03-15T23:04:19 < Cracki> israel will have the cure first, if they don't already
2020-03-15T23:04:22 < Hamilton> Telegram is the shit here
2020-03-15T23:04:22 < Cracki> they have a headstart
2020-03-15T23:04:26 < Laurenceb> Ada is pretty cool
2020-03-15T23:05:01 < Laurenceb> inb4 muh empowered wamman
2020-03-15T23:05:31 < Laurenceb> keeek daily mail comment sections on corona virus
2020-03-15T23:05:38 < Laurenceb> >illuminati did corona virus
2020-03-15T23:05:47 < Laurenceb> havent seen that meme for a while
2020-03-15T23:07:23 < Thorn> in Russian, "ada" means "of hell" -> cue jokes about books named "Programming language Ada" (when they were still relevant that is)
2020-03-15T23:08:28 < Hamilton> Laurenceb, > daily mail the tabloid 
2020-03-15T23:08:29 < Hamilton> > spiderman meme
2020-03-15T23:10:02 < Laurenceb> Illuminati versus New World order, round 1, FIGHT!
2020-03-15T23:12:26 < mawk> ada is still relevant Thorn !
2020-03-15T23:12:31 < mawk> teached in my school for embedded
2020-03-15T23:12:36 < mawk> and we took part in adacore contest
2020-03-15T23:12:41 < mawk> I made a realtime embedded flappy bird for the contest
2020-03-15T23:12:43 < mawk> and I lost lol
2020-03-15T23:12:53 < mawk> taught* omg
2020-03-15T23:13:40 < mawk> americans are trying to buy german scientists to get the cure first
2020-03-15T23:13:51 < mawk> that's what you're saying Cracki ?
2020-03-15T23:14:01 < mawk> it woudn't surprize me too much of orange man, if he's into patriotism
2020-03-15T23:14:38 < Cracki> it would surprise me if the USA would *not* offer money to a company that works on a vaccine
2020-03-15T23:14:43 < mawk> but we're in luck erasmum university in NL found antibodies which are much quicker to get on the market than vaccines
2020-03-15T23:14:47 < mawk> and can be used in quick tests too
2020-03-15T23:14:51 < Laurenceb> https://www.illuminatiofficial.org/
2020-03-15T23:14:53 < Laurenceb> my sides
2020-03-15T23:14:56 < mawk> lol
2020-03-15T23:15:05 < Cracki> selling led strips?
2020-03-15T23:15:19 < Cracki> not quite
2020-03-15T23:15:23 < Laurenceb> this is genius
2020-03-15T23:15:30 < Cracki> >authentic items
2020-03-15T23:15:31 < mawk> JOIN THE ILLUMINATI
2020-03-15T23:15:33 < mawk> To begin, submit your information below
2020-03-15T23:15:36 < Laurenceb> >charge people to join "the illuminati"
2020-03-15T23:15:39 < Laurenceb> keeeeekkk
2020-03-15T23:15:49 < Cracki> wat, no dollar notes?
2020-03-15T23:15:58 < mawk> it's a mailing list or something
2020-03-15T23:16:03 < mawk> let's give them my email
2020-03-15T23:16:10 < Hamilton> Laurenceb, actually I think joining includes monthly fees
2020-03-15T23:16:25 < Laurenceb> lmao
2020-03-15T23:16:34 < Hamilton> My man Steve Wozniak paid a one time sum to join
2020-03-15T23:16:50 < mawk> https://illuminati.am/globalist-agenda/
2020-03-15T23:17:05 < mawk> sounds like a SJW initiative
2020-03-15T23:17:07 < mawk> when I read that text
2020-03-15T23:17:48 < Cracki> "one race, the dog race!"
2020-03-15T23:17:52 < mawk> lol
2020-03-15T23:17:54 < Cracki> it probably is
2020-03-15T23:18:25 < Cracki> globalism IS the elite's plan
2020-03-15T23:18:58 < Cracki> how the fuck can they try to pass globalism off as a cure for greed like that
2020-03-15T23:20:01 < Cracki> same with communism. "eat the rich" may have been coined by a pleb but the rich know they are inedible, so they use that propaganda to push and pull chess pieces
2020-03-15T23:21:40 < Cracki> same coin. look at democrat primary elections. sanders, biden, bloomberg, all different sides (3 sides yes stfu) of the same coin
2020-03-15T23:22:01 < Laurenceb> lol google results for illuminati have been scrubbed
2020-03-15T23:22:16 < Laurenceb> >just news articles about how idiots believe in illuminati
2020-03-15T23:22:30 < Laurenceb> wtf I believe in illuminati now
2020-03-15T23:23:21 < Hamilton> Cracki, one problem I have with this theories is about consistency and perseverance. Like throughout history (~200 years), every "rich plotter" parent should have the "talk" with his child that goes like : look son! this globe u see, this is ours! disregard the plebs, we'll be kings and stuff 
2020-03-15T23:23:43 < Cracki> yes, that happens
2020-03-15T23:23:53 < Hamilton> And the son goes, okay daddy?
2020-03-15T23:24:09 < Cracki> preferably when the son has been raised properly, and will already sense this truth
2020-03-15T23:24:16 < Hamilton> How much determination, planning and organization such a feat would need?
2020-03-15T23:24:30 < Cracki> also it's not such tightly knit families
2020-03-15T23:24:34 < Cracki> it's a tribe
2020-03-15T23:24:43 < Cracki> it's a long game
2020-03-15T23:25:05 < Cracki> "march through the institutions" is an attempt to teach this to pawns outside of the tribe
2020-03-15T23:26:16 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/coronaviruscare/status/1239255007213617154
2020-03-15T23:27:12 < Steffanx> can Hamilton confirm that?
2020-03-15T23:27:15 < Hamilton> Cracki, Still, you have to assume a high amount of perseverance for human species to undergo such long plan...like no deviations> no greed? 
2020-03-15T23:27:32 < Cracki> huh? this is BASED on greed
2020-03-15T23:27:53 < Cracki> greed, lust for power, FEAR of the plebs
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2020-03-15T23:28:03 < Cracki> imagine vampires
2020-03-15T23:28:59 < Hamilton> Cracki, there should be sacrifices of this "tribe" for their 'plan' to work. And we are talking about immoral plotters...what is the possibility that no one of them goes rouge and screws up the whole idea
2020-03-15T23:29:27 < Cracki> oh yes sacrifices, there have been some
2020-03-15T23:29:52 < Cracki> single defectors are irrelevant
2020-03-15T23:30:22 < Hamilton> lol who tried to log in as me :)))
2020-03-15T23:30:38 < Cracki> the board is controlled. you can't make a move that threatens the status quo
2020-03-15T23:30:56 < Cracki> all moves you can make are harmless, or only harm you
2020-03-15T23:31:22 < Cracki> think The Matrix
2020-03-15T23:31:44 < Cracki> they are used to the cattle waking up and fighting back
2020-03-15T23:31:48 < Cracki> it's part of their natural cycle
2020-03-15T23:34:40 < Hamilton> Steffanx, yeah I guess that's right.
2020-03-15T23:38:39 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/edkellyus
2020-03-15T23:38:43 < Laurenceb> mastermind at work
2020-03-15T23:39:29 < Steffanx> Dear Laurenceb, do you expect us to read all of that?
2020-03-15T23:40:34 < Steffanx> And then the guy doesnt seems to be "at work". He doesn't twat that much.
2020-03-15T23:40:54 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/ClementYChow/status/1239291639891243009
2020-03-15T23:41:37 < Steffanx> "Given your earlier RT... had you taken any NSAIDs?"  Hah.
2020-03-15T23:42:59 < Steffanx> Anyway, Not high risk is still a risk and he got it. So what is the trying to say?
2020-03-15T23:43:23 < Thorn> I bought nimesulide, guess it wasn't the best idea
2020-03-15T23:44:54 < Steffanx> I dont recall ever using an NSAID. "Just" paracetamol.
2020-03-15T23:48:04 < Hamilton> A few days later is the iranian new year :( one of the saddest
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2020-03-15T23:56:05 < englishman> bars, restaurants, theaters and gyms closed
2020-03-15T23:56:59 < Thorn> I've been wondering if the US is going to lift their sanctions to at least allow shipments of medical supplies
2020-03-15T23:57:05 < englishman> will have to learn bodyweight fitness
2020-03-15T23:57:08 < Thorn> yeah right, not happening
2020-03-15T23:59:04 < Steffanx> Heh canada closing down as well Englishman?
2020-03-15T23:59:11 < englishman> just the clean part
2020-03-15T23:59:55 < Steffanx> This is a perfect time for another social experiment. Shut down the internet. Or at least cripple it heavily 
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2020-03-16T00:00:15 < englishman> that's ok I have the switch
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2020-03-16T00:01:05 < Steffanx> .OdnetniN
2020-03-16T00:01:37 < englishman> and kittens
2020-03-16T00:01:57 < englishman> Thorn: you're missing out on kittens as well by not being on telegay
2020-03-16T00:03:40 < tomeaton17> https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/fj5r2b/young_men_are_about_to_get_slaughtered_in_austria/
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2020-03-16T00:06:16 < kakimir> I left the house first time for 2weeks or so
2020-03-16T00:06:31 < Steffanx> Got a serious cough now?
2020-03-16T00:06:31 < specing> Thorn: they are actually sanctioning medical supplies?
2020-03-16T00:06:37 < specing> Thorn: wow, that's low
2020-03-16T00:06:57 < kakimir> bought pizza
2020-03-16T00:07:52 < kakimir> I bet next week funland runs out of masks
2020-03-16T00:08:10 < kakimir> and tests
2020-03-16T00:09:27 < kakimir> something ridiculous comes up
2020-03-16T00:09:34 < Steffanx> Uh?
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2020-03-16T00:12:35 < kakimir> it's like winners bias Steffanx. I expect more of failures
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2020-03-16T00:18:34 < Cracki> tomeaton17, are you gonna take pink pills now?
2020-03-16T00:19:00 < Cracki> do you have the build for it? are you femboy trap material? :P
2020-03-16T00:19:29 < Cracki> (I obviously agree with the post)
2020-03-16T00:20:36 < tomeaton17> Cracki: haha mainly i sent here to bait laurence
2020-03-16T00:21:24 < Cracki> sometimes I think he's chaotic neutral (centrist scum)
2020-03-16T00:21:40 < kakimir> gambling machines were powered off
2020-03-16T00:21:46 < kakimir> in store
2020-03-16T00:21:49 < tomeaton17> very based and red pilled
2020-03-16T00:22:25 < Cracki> I don't think his flying saucers are going to be Reichsflugscheiben though
2020-03-16T00:23:31 < tomeaton17> anyone use a seedbox
2020-03-16T00:24:22 < Cracki> I use my home computer with half of a 12 TB raid, a VPN, and a tolerable 40 Mbit/s upstream
2020-03-16T00:24:58 < Cracki> maybe a nas would be more power efficient
2020-03-16T00:27:09 < tomeaton17> at the moment i have one at home too but I am rate limited by my vpn hosted on my vps
2020-03-16T00:27:32 < qyx> I use my home computer with 100GB and a tolerable 10MBit/s LTE
2020-03-16T00:27:45 < qyx> and a VPN
2020-03-16T00:28:19 < Cracki> try ipredator vpn
2020-03-16T00:28:41 < Cracki> I've never noticed any limiting... unless it's by my uplink, and they don't ever throttle
2020-03-16T00:29:46 < tomeaton17> i
2020-03-16T00:30:05 < tomeaton17> I would prefer to host my vpn myself
2020-03-16T00:30:42 < Cracki> understandable
2020-03-16T00:30:47 < karlp> hrm, should I put esd protection on the usb ports? it adds..... not really much cost at all, 
2020-03-16T00:31:08 < karlp> USBLC6-4SC6 only 22 in stock on lcsc, 0 at mosuer, (35k on order!)
2020-03-16T00:31:28 < tomeaton17> I saw I could get a 1Gbps full duplex 50gb vps for 6 usd a month 
2020-03-16T00:32:19 < karlp> foot prints are free I guess.
2020-03-16T00:33:30 < qyx> I am using TPD2EUSB30
2020-03-16T00:33:53 < qyx> 107k stock at mouser
2020-03-16T00:34:03 < qyx> and 0.15/1000pcs
2020-03-16T00:34:33 < qyx> 0.20, sry
2020-03-16T00:38:56 < qyx> so, any favourite single li-ion/lip cell fuel gauge?
2020-03-16T00:41:03 < Cracki> I don't know if that's common or not, but get one that can model rising internal resistance due to age
2020-03-16T00:41:52 < Cracki> (worsening voltage drop under load, I'd rather know that than brown out)
2020-03-16T00:42:28 < karlp> bleh, nup4202 in stock on lcsc, but twice the price
2020-03-16T00:43:28 < karlp> qyx: that's expensive for a single channel.
2020-03-16T00:43:47 < karlp> doesn't do vbus protection iether? why did you choose that one?
2020-03-16T00:45:06 < qyx> I am using it for ethernets too
2020-03-16T00:45:29 < karlp> ok :)
2020-03-16T00:45:39 < qyx> heh
2020-03-16T00:45:45 < qyx> idk actually
2020-03-16T00:45:59 < qyx> I just picked up some common and available part
2020-03-16T00:46:41 < qyx> theres also a 4 channel version
2020-03-16T00:46:51 < karlp> yeah, that's even more expensive unobtainiuym
2020-03-16T00:47:04 < karlp> I was only quoting four channel ones, it goes nicely with my stacked usb ports.
2020-03-16T00:47:53 < qyx> or don't use anything because yolo
2020-03-16T00:48:01 < qyx> 80% of hubs have nothing
2020-03-16T00:48:32 < qyx> did you see my backplane
2020-03-16T00:48:42 < karlp> NUP4202 in stock on lcsc+dk/mouser, perfectly suitable, 22c/port pair.  USBLC6-4xx, low stock on lcsc, backordered on mouser, and stock on digikey
2020-03-16T00:48:51 < karlp> both seem ~same forr me.
2020-03-16T00:49:03 < karlp> yeah, I know most hubs have fuck all, but hey, this whole thing is autisim right
2020-03-16T00:49:06 < karlp> footprints arre free..
2020-03-16T00:49:30 < karlp> and the whole fucking BOM for 5 boards is only about $6/board, and $4 of that is the hub chip. :)
2020-03-16T00:49:37 < karlp> $28/5 for pcbs...
2020-03-16T00:50:01 < qyx> china enig?
2020-03-16T00:50:14 < Thorn> specing: for Iran I believe they do
2020-03-16T00:50:49 < karlp> nah, just hasl lead free.
2020-03-16T00:51:00 < karlp> it's only four layers for impendence, not for density
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2020-03-16T00:51:30 < karlp> think I should less autism on the port protection on v1, and more on the input protection :)
2020-03-16T00:51:34 < qyx> tomeaton17: hetzner has 3e/mo vpos with 2g ram or so, 20TB of ssd and 20TB of traffic/mo
2020-03-16T00:51:39 < karlp> but out of autism for tonight...
2020-03-16T00:51:44 < karlp> time to kill athenians...
2020-03-16T00:52:14 < qyx> tomeaton17: 20GB of ssd of course
2020-03-16T00:57:22 < tomeaton17> qyx: whats the network speed?
2020-03-16T00:57:28 < qyx> 1gbps
2020-03-16T00:57:33 < qyx> single ipv4, /64 ipv6
2020-03-16T00:59:00 < qyx> https://www.hetzner.com/cloud, prices, CX11
2020-03-16T01:02:18 < aandrew> John Travolta went to get tested last night. Thankfully the results came back negative: he only had Saturday Night Fever
2020-03-16T01:03:22 < tomeaton17> qyx: 1 vcore? I have a similar on ovh but paying £3.60 a month and only 100Mbps but I get unlimited traffic
2020-03-16T01:08:35 < specing> damn you people are rich
2020-03-16T01:08:50 < specing> I pay 1.22 eur a month for 1 GB ram, 1 IPv4, 20 GB SSD and 1 vcore
2020-03-16T01:11:29 < tomeaton17> from where
2020-03-16T01:11:58 < tomeaton17> does it support arch specing 
2020-03-16T01:13:58 < specing> tomeaton17: no idea, but you can install whatever through the management console
2020-03-16T01:14:02 < specing> tomeaton17: Aruba Cloud
2020-03-16T01:16:32 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/scott_mintzer/status/1239290389963714562
2020-03-16T01:22:01 < qyx> what did boris say about collective immunity?
2020-03-16T01:22:03 < qyx> rip Laurenceb 
2020-03-16T01:28:20 < tomeaton17> I see
2020-03-16T01:28:23 < tomeaton17> I use arch btw
2020-03-16T01:29:08 < Cracki> arch is for gentoo users with electricity bill
2020-03-16T01:30:00 < Cracki> how does hetzner react to torrent traffic?
2020-03-16T01:39:11 < jadew> https://imgur.com/gallery/e34qMC7
2020-03-16T01:39:44 < Cracki> german calls police
2020-03-16T01:40:59 < Cracki> staged tho. germans don't pop off like that.
2020-03-16T01:41:12 < jadew> that's what the comments are saying too
2020-03-16T01:41:16 < Thorn> brb emigrating to Germany
2020-03-16T01:41:45 < Cracki> Deutsche in den Kommentaren!
2020-03-16T01:42:51 < Cracki> when germans laugh, the world gets uncomfortable
2020-03-16T01:46:04 < jadew> Thorn, that thread pretty much says the same thing we've heard from Italy
2020-03-16T01:46:31 < jadew> I should move to the US tho, I'm under 40 and my BMI is in order
2020-03-16T01:47:25 < jadew> time to lose weight
2020-03-16T01:47:52 < jadew> I assume parks are full in the US after news of these developments has spread
2020-03-16T01:48:29 < jadew> there should be some body positive messages out there I think
2020-03-16T01:49:15 < antto> KOPOHA Bupyc
2020-03-16T01:50:02 < Cracki> coronavirus has a lipid outer layer. that's fat! NO FAT SHAMING! the poor virus is crying
2020-03-16T01:50:37 < doomba> insulting the virus is offensive and NOT OK
2020-03-16T01:50:41 < doomba> #cancelcracki
2020-03-16T01:51:15 < Cracki> >genetic predisposition /12
2020-03-16T01:51:18 < antto> phatt is teh new thicc
2020-03-16T01:51:28 < Cracki> what races live in seattle
2020-03-16T01:55:08 < jadew> hmm, you can't print a twitter feed
2020-03-16T01:59:51 < doomba> Cracki: hipster
2020-03-16T02:00:08 < doomba> hipsters that are very anti-consumer, and all work at amazon.
2020-03-16T02:00:35 < doomba> they're so anti-consumer, they wait 2 whole weeks before buying the new iphone when it comes out.
2020-03-16T02:01:37 < jadew> well, hipsters are not fat usually
2020-03-16T02:01:52 < doomba> it's true
2020-03-16T02:02:27 < doomba> kinda hard to get fat when all you eat are organic free range cage-free hormone-free ethically grown soy pellets
2020-03-16T02:02:56 < jadew> I'll buy some BTC when it reaches $100/btc
2020-03-16T02:03:10 < jadew> how do you do that?
2020-03-16T02:06:11 < doomba> Interestingly, estrogenic compounds had been found to reduce influenza A virus replication in primary human nasal epithelial cells derived from female, but not male, donors.128 In addition, resveratrol, a phytoestrogen from grape seeds and red wine, had been reported to be a potent anti‐MERS agent in vitro.129 Therefore, 17β‐Estradiol or phytoestrogen could also be an alternative option to be
2020-03-16T02:06:13 < doomba> considered for the treatment of COVID‐19. 
2020-03-16T02:06:15 < doomba> there you have it folks
2020-03-16T02:06:38 < doomba> if you want to survive coronavirus, become a soycuck
2020-03-16T02:07:02 < jadew> heh
2020-03-16T02:07:20 < jadew> I'm skeptic of that quote
2020-03-16T02:07:48 < jadew> for the simple fact that resveratrol is expensive and its effects should be visible in decades
2020-03-16T02:08:02 < jadew> so you can't really test it yourself, you have to take their word for it
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2020-03-16T02:10:52 < jadew> you know that twitter feed that people said it's fake...
2020-03-16T02:11:17 < jadew> Iran was reporting myocardic failure too
2020-03-16T02:16:03 < Laurenceb> https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
2020-03-16T02:16:05 < Laurenceb> kek
2020-03-16T02:16:10 < Laurenceb> megadeaths
2020-03-16T02:17:00 < jadew> they just released their data? :)
2020-03-16T02:17:11 < Laurenceb> i think they broke their site
2020-03-16T02:17:39 < englishman> hmm
2020-03-16T02:17:48 < englishman> 900k dead in the holy see
2020-03-16T02:22:33 < doomba> holy-C and the red sea file system?
2020-03-16T02:23:10 < Laurenceb> lollll
2020-03-16T02:23:15 < Laurenceb> rip terry
2020-03-16T02:34:42 < Thorn> https://observablehq.com/@yurivish/dont-be-italy
2020-03-16T02:36:17 < doomba> https://i.imgur.com/TpEUZrM.jpg
2020-03-16T02:49:36 < kakimir>  Ottawa has released controversial new medical care guidelines for COVID-19 infected patients, including an edict to give priority to newly arrived immigrants over native Canadians.
2020-03-16T02:50:19 < kakimir> "The simple reality of the matter is that the majority of old stock Canadians are over the age of 45," stated Minister of Health, Patty Madju.
2020-03-16T02:50:20 < karlp> bleh, worldometers doesn't list iceland.
2020-03-16T02:50:26 < karlp> we'd be number one on cases/milllion pop
2020-03-16T02:53:38 < karlp> also, wee transparency in numbers: https://www.covid.is/tolulegar-upplysingar
2020-03-16T02:54:25 < mawk> fake kakimir 
2020-03-16T02:54:31 < karlp> oh, it has iceland, just doesn't list us with a per million figure
2020-03-16T02:54:58 < kakimir> mawk: maybe
2020-03-16T02:55:11 < kakimir> or satire rather
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2020-03-16T02:56:44 < mawk> lol
2020-03-16T02:56:56 < mawk> coronavirus info site with ads on it 
2020-03-16T02:57:02 < mawk> https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
2020-03-16T02:59:25 < karlp> well duh
2020-03-16T02:59:31 < karlp> bw and hosting isn't free
2020-03-16T03:00:13 < mawk> they're a for profit company
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2020-03-16T03:03:18 < Thorn> re Iran https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1239183321940348928
2020-03-16T03:07:00 < Thorn> no eat meow https://twitter.com/InkstoneNews/status/1239248246595301378
2020-03-16T03:17:26 < kakimir> luckilly there was chinese diet to scapegoat.. phef
2020-03-16T03:18:53 < kakimir> should I order ecp5 versa?
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2020-03-16T04:37:46 < englishman> https://www.scmagazine.com/home/security-news/news-archive/coronavirus/coronavirus-tracking-app-locks-up-android-phones-for-ransom/
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2020-03-16T05:06:57 < zyp> nice
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2020-03-16T05:53:20 < dongs> haha
2020-03-16T06:13:35 < kakigate> stupidity pays
2020-03-16T06:13:42 < kakigate> I did some calculations
2020-03-16T06:14:02 < kakigate> finland has 5.7 or so million population
2020-03-16T06:14:15 < jadew> you figured out when you're going to die?
2020-03-16T06:14:39 < kakigate> if virus spreads to whole population one million people will need at least supplementary oxygen
2020-03-16T06:14:52 < jadew> that sounds wrong
2020-03-16T06:15:02 < kakigate> and at least 250k will need invasive methods
2020-03-16T06:15:08 < jadew> only 10% need critical care, no?
2020-03-16T06:15:27 < jadew> that meaning oxygen
2020-03-16T06:15:40 < kakigate> wasn't it something between 10 and 20
2020-03-16T06:15:58 < jadew> and epidemiologists think that at most 80% of the population will get it
2020-03-16T06:16:16 < kakigate> ye
2020-03-16T06:16:20 < kakigate> I rounded it up
2020-03-16T06:16:27 < jadew> heh
2020-03-16T06:16:33 < kakigate> but anyway.. massive numbers
2020-03-16T06:16:35 < kakigate> massive
2020-03-16T06:16:39 < jadew> yeah
2020-03-16T06:17:19 < jadew> oh, you're higher in numbers than Romania
2020-03-16T06:17:29 < kakigate> yes
2020-03-16T06:17:44 < jadew> maybe a week ahead
2020-03-16T06:18:01 < jadew> less
2020-03-16T06:18:02 < BrainDamage> you're assuming that 5M get it at once
2020-03-16T06:18:18 < kakigate> it doesn't matter
2020-03-16T06:18:35 < jadew> yeah, no matter how thin you spread it, they're still too many
2020-03-16T06:18:46 < jadew> and you can't spread it too thin, because of the economical effects
2020-03-16T06:19:19 < jadew> the only people who are going to be spared by this are those who can live in isolation already
2020-03-16T06:19:35 < jadew> I'd be a prime candidate if I wasn't married for example
2020-03-16T06:20:15 < jadew> I expect to eventually get it
2020-03-16T06:20:34 < jadew> but I'm going to do the best I can not to
2020-03-16T06:21:55 < kakigate> BrainDamage: if it spreads to the whole population you are looking at million needing at least supplementary oxygen
2020-03-16T06:22:10 < jadew> man... the slope on that death curve is looking more and more like a cliff
2020-03-16T06:23:12 < BrainDamage> kakigate: the whole point is that you don't need them at once
2020-03-16T06:23:21 < kakigate> yes
2020-03-16T06:23:42 < kakigate> but the number.. whoah
2020-03-16T06:23:54 < kakigate> supplementary oxygen is not a problem
2020-03-16T06:24:06 < jadew> BrainDamage, unfortunately the health system everywhere is not equipped to handle that much volume (even if perfectly spread across a longer period of time)
2020-03-16T06:24:24 < kakigate> 250k people at lowest estimates will need invasive care
2020-03-16T06:24:29 < zyp> jadew, depends how long period of time
2020-03-16T06:24:42 < BrainDamage> jadew: [citation needed]
2020-03-16T06:24:47 < jadew> zyp, by the looks of it, it's going to be concluded this year
2020-03-16T06:25:04 < BrainDamage> yes, so you claim time ddoesn't matter, and then it matters
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2020-03-16T06:25:40 < jadew> BrainDamage, even with the relatively small number of cases in Italy, you still don't have enough resources to properly treat everyone
2020-03-16T06:25:49 < jadew> and it hasn't even peaked yet
2020-03-16T06:26:07 < BrainDamage> that's still irrelevant to the argument?
2020-03-16T06:26:24 < BrainDamage> if the contagion was less fast, we could handle them fine
2020-03-16T06:26:32 < jadew> yes, but it isn't
2020-03-16T06:27:00 < BrainDamage> out curve is flattening considerably https://www.corriere.it/speciale/salute/2020/mappa-coronavirus-italia/
2020-03-16T06:27:09 < jadew> and there's no way to make it spread less fast in normal conditions, because nobody is immune
2020-03-16T06:27:22 < BrainDamage> except it's happening? see also korea
2020-03-16T06:27:39 < jadew> korea is still in the containment phase I believe
2020-03-16T06:27:44 < jadew> they're still tracking everyone
2020-03-16T06:28:03 < BrainDamage> it's always in the containment phase until half of the population has gone through
2020-03-16T06:28:11 < jadew> well, no
2020-03-16T06:28:23 < zyp> seems like norway is locking down pretty hard at the moment, wonder how that's gonna work out
2020-03-16T06:28:40 < jadew> as long as you know who has it and who might also get it from them, you can tackle it like that, by following the branches
2020-03-16T06:29:11 < jadew> once you lose track, the only thing you can do is to try to stop it differently (with a region-wide quarantine)
2020-03-16T06:29:15 < jadew> which is what's happening in Italy
2020-03-16T06:29:21 < jadew> hopefully we'll see the results toon
2020-03-16T06:29:24 < jadew> soon
2020-03-16T06:29:41 < zyp> in norway everybody is told to stay at home
2020-03-16T06:29:47 < jadew> but that can't be maintained for ever, and once restrictions will be lifted, it will spike again
2020-03-16T06:29:55 < jadew> like it will spike in China
2020-03-16T06:30:12 < BrainDamage> the point is that you loosen the restrictions gradually
2020-03-16T06:30:15 < jadew> zyp, we're told the same, but people still have to work
2020-03-16T06:30:28 < kakigate> zyp: in finland most of the people stay at home without asking and some wont stop going out even with asking
2020-03-16T06:30:36 < BrainDamage> so that the infection rate remains controlled
2020-03-16T06:30:41 < jadew> BrainDamage, if you don't work, you can't pay for your basic needs
2020-03-16T06:30:58 < jadew> also, you can't completely kill the economy, which is what would happen if this lasts for ever
2020-03-16T06:31:02 < BrainDamage> I don't see how that contrasts with what I sai
2020-03-16T06:31:04 < zyp> luckily norway has pretty good social security nets
2020-03-16T06:31:04 < kakigate> BrainDamage: controlling infection rate sounds... delicate
2020-03-16T06:31:26 < jadew> BrainDamage, my point is that you can't keep too many restrictions in place
2020-03-16T06:31:49 < jadew> if you force people to stay home, the economy goes to shit and they won't want to stay home eventually anyway, because they need money
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2020-03-16T06:32:10 < jadew> ideally you want the lockdown right before it peaks
2020-03-16T06:32:10 < BrainDamage> I feel like there's some serious communication problems
2020-03-16T06:32:28 < BrainDamage> because what I am saying does not disagree with you, and you're still missing my point
2020-03-16T06:32:36 < zyp> jadew, that sounds like a self-fulfilling action
2020-03-16T06:32:52 < jadew> BrainDamage, ok, let me see if I understand your point then
2020-03-16T06:33:25 < jadew> you mean that if you have some restrictions in place, you could reduce the spread enough, that the health system could cope with it. Correct?
2020-03-16T06:33:32 < BrainDamage> no
2020-03-16T06:33:58 < BrainDamage> I am saying that as you deploy infrastructure to handle the increase of spread, you can loosen the restrictions
2020-03-16T06:34:26 < BrainDamage> because your capacity to handle the sick has increasedd
2020-03-16T06:34:33 < jadew> ok, I get it
2020-03-16T06:34:47 < BrainDamage> and yes, current status cannot be held indefinetly
2020-03-16T06:34:54 < BrainDamage> only short term solution
2020-03-16T06:35:25 < BrainDamage> for example we're building a giant hospital in the world's fair center
2020-03-16T06:35:28 < jadew> I don't know if what you're suggesting is doable tho, is your country planning something like that?
2020-03-16T06:35:35 < BrainDamage> it's already doing it
2020-03-16T06:35:43 < BrainDamage> about halfway through
2020-03-16T06:35:46 < jadew> it sounds like something for which you would need to know all the variables
2020-03-16T06:35:53 < jadew> to actually pull it through
2020-03-16T06:36:14 < BrainDamage> that place alone will have the capacity to hold about 5k sick in ICU
2020-03-16T06:36:25 < BrainDamage> and it's not the only one getting deployed
2020-03-16T06:36:56 < BrainDamage> current schedule is trying to get it equipped by next month, but due to the infra being slowed down by the same containment measure, the date might slip a bit
2020-03-16T06:37:17 < jadew> well, that's actually a good plan
2020-03-16T06:37:39 < BrainDamage> ( and failing to deliver on time is pretty much italian )
2020-03-16T06:37:40 < jadew> but 5k in ICU means only 50k sick
2020-03-16T06:37:49 < BrainDamage> 50k sick at once
2020-03-16T06:37:52 < jadew> yeah
2020-03-16T06:37:57 < BrainDamage> and that's only one center
2020-03-16T06:38:07 < BrainDamage> as I said, it's not the only one getting equipped
2020-03-16T06:38:13 < BrainDamage> about 1 per region
2020-03-16T06:38:48 < BrainDamage> it's the first getting deployed because it's urgent, because here in lombardy we have 10k infected right now
2020-03-16T06:39:07 < jadew> could be a selling point for kickstarting tourism again: "Come get sick in Italy. We have the best accommodations."
2020-03-16T06:39:57 < jadew> yeah, sounds like a good plan, but I'm curious to see how they'll loosen the restrictions so they don't go overboard with the number of sick
2020-03-16T06:40:04 < jadew> good plan tho
2020-03-16T06:40:39 < jadew> is anyone else planning to do this?
2020-03-16T06:43:31 < BrainDamage> no idea, I'm not as informed about other countries
2020-03-16T06:43:52 < BrainDamage> I would assume china is planning something similar given its productive capacity
2020-03-16T06:44:27 < jadew> they must be, yeah
2020-03-16T06:44:50 < jadew> finding enough health workers might be a problem
2020-03-16T06:45:13 < BrainDamage> at least for that we're lucky
2020-03-16T06:45:26 < BrainDamage> we have one of the highest doctor concentration per capita of the world
2020-03-16T06:46:32 < BrainDamage> https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Physicians/Per-1,000-people
2020-03-16T06:47:13 < BrainDamage> 4 doctors per thousan people, it's actually quite a bit
2020-03-16T06:47:25 < BrainDamage> ofc not all of them would be useful doctors to face this sickness
2020-03-16T06:47:49 < jadew> BrainDamage, well, I think in emergencies all doctors can be asked to work on this
2020-03-16T06:48:04 < jadew> they get emergency training and they start taking shifts
2020-03-16T06:48:27 < BrainDamage> you can even train regular people to work as eg nurses
2020-03-16T06:48:33 < jadew> yeah
2020-03-16T06:49:05 < BrainDamage> the "nice" thing is that being a standard sickness you can estabilish a standard protocol
2020-03-16T06:49:20 < BrainDamage> then the doctors with the know-how can supervise an handle the anomalies
2020-03-16T06:49:51 < jadew> what I find weird is that so far nobody has come out to tell everyone how a patient with covid-19 is being treated
2020-03-16T06:50:30 < BrainDamage> because for viruses you essentially go through it with palliative care
2020-03-16T06:50:37 < BrainDamage> unless an antiviral is found
2020-03-16T06:50:56 < BrainDamage> we do have one that is undergoing test, that is promising
2020-03-16T06:51:02 < jadew> well, I've heard already about a couple of antivirals
2020-03-16T06:51:07 < jadew> which one?
2020-03-16T06:51:36 < kakigate> I think I should pull my recently applied unemployed status or go to some work/program before my professional title literally says morgue oven operator
2020-03-16T06:52:02 < BrainDamage> one moment
2020-03-16T06:52:03 < kakigate> or grave digger
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2020-03-16T06:52:22 < jadew> kakigate, there was a shortage in china
2020-03-16T06:52:29 < kakigate> of what?
2020-03-16T06:52:31 < BrainDamage> remdesivir
2020-03-16T06:52:39 < jadew> the one for HIV
2020-03-16T06:52:51 < BrainDamage> it's an experimental antiviral for treatment of ebola
2020-03-16T06:52:59 < jadew> oh
2020-03-16T06:53:02 < BrainDamage> not even approved by health care ministry
2020-03-16T06:53:16 < BrainDamage> but it's being offered to people in desperate conditions
2020-03-16T06:53:21 < BrainDamage> if they want to take the risk
2020-03-16T06:55:33 < BrainDamage> i can link you the articles, but they are in italian
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2020-03-16T06:55:52 < jadew> please do
2020-03-16T06:56:01 < jadew> I understand italian and there's google translate anyway
2020-03-16T06:56:58 < jadew> io poso parlare italiano 
2020-03-16T06:57:01 < BrainDamage> https://www.greenme.it/vivere/salute-e-benessere/coronavirus-italia-sperimentazione-remdesivir/
2020-03-16T06:57:26 < BrainDamage> and this is a more  reliable link, from the gov itself https://www.aifa.gov.it/web/guest/-/aifa-e-gilead-annunciano-che-l-italia-e-tra-i-paesi-che-testeranno-l-antivirale-remdesivir-per-il-trattamento-del-covid-19
2020-03-16T06:57:36 < jadew> thanks
2020-03-16T06:58:11 < jadew> is it posso?
2020-03-16T06:58:20 < BrainDamage> yes, posso
2020-03-16T06:59:19 < BrainDamage> apparently remdesivir is documented to be effective against mers
2020-03-16T06:59:37 < jadew> I think the romanians are also testing it
2020-03-16T06:59:52 < jadew> my wife told me they are using something that she hasn't heard about and can't find it
2020-03-16T07:00:03 < jadew> that sounds like it might be it
2020-03-16T07:00:19 < jadew> *she can't find it
2020-03-16T07:00:19 < BrainDamage> so given the genetic similarity there's hope of effectiveness
2020-03-16T07:00:47 < jadew> probably expensive and difficult to find tho
2020-03-16T07:01:16 < jadew> would be better if one of the other ones worked
2020-03-16T07:01:20 < BrainDamage> it's super experimental, if you start mass deploying the side effects on the population at large might be nasty
2020-03-16T07:01:27 < jadew> maybe chloroquine, since it's probably the cheapest
2020-03-16T07:01:54 < BrainDamage> however, once one is starting to get few hundred/thousand of tests, the mass production can begin
2020-03-16T07:02:23 < jadew> yeah, you at least know what to expect as a side effect
2020-03-16T07:13:13 < kakigate> have you bought your oxygen bottle yet?
2020-03-16T07:16:54 < jadew> kakigate, I couldn't find one
2020-03-16T07:17:22 < kakigate> I could order one now
2020-03-16T07:17:33 < jadew> from where?
2020-03-16T07:17:37 < kakigate> as I have such contract in my use
2020-03-16T07:17:44 < kakigate> AGA
2020-03-16T07:17:45 < jadew> medical one?
2020-03-16T07:17:48 < kakigate> nope
2020-03-16T07:18:06 < jadew> is it safe to breath from that one?
2020-03-16T07:18:19 < kakigate> welding.. I bet some humidifying device is needed addition to flow regulator
2020-03-16T07:18:32 < jadew> I have flow regulators around here
2020-03-16T07:19:01 < kakigate> I have seen bottles that have a box in the hose filled with water
2020-03-16T07:19:06 < kakigate> and it bobbles there
2020-03-16T07:19:37 < kakigate> so it's not dew point -150celsius or something
2020-03-16T07:19:59 < kakigate> don't know if strictly necessary
2020-03-16T07:20:34 < kakigate> maybe if your lungs are full of fluid you don't need humidified oxygen
2020-03-16T07:20:42 < jadew> haha
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2020-03-16T09:39:43 < jly> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akE2Sgg8hI8
2020-03-16T09:39:46 < jly> it is cat
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2020-03-16T09:43:52 < jly> has anyone got the virus here?
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2020-03-16T10:42:49 < R2COM> https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Sound-Essence-STX-II/dp/B00ONSBF4K//ref=as_li_ss_tl?creativeASIN=B00ONSBF4K&imprToken=JwwO6HvIZ8E5ox1yZcSRbg&slotNum=3&ie=UTF8&linkCode=w61&tag=buildg-20&linkId=04719a0f01903c795c61fe4ef5f59f39
2020-03-16T10:42:52 < R2COM> lolz
2020-03-16T10:43:07 < R2COM> sound card with option to "swap dip packaged opamps"
2020-03-16T10:43:14 < R2COM> xD
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2020-03-16T11:15:07 < jly> of course
2020-03-16T11:25:47 < Steffanx> I got a virus jly
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2020-03-16T12:24:40 < karlp> bleh, infineon wants to "migrate" my existing account to their new systems.
2020-03-16T12:25:01 < karlp> needs a password with: uppercase, lowercas, digit, special char _and_ 10 chars.. need all of it.
2020-03-16T12:25:36 < mawk> lol
2020-03-16T12:25:43 < mawk> they should compute entropy of the password you type in instead
2020-03-16T12:25:47 < mawk> and have a lower bound
2020-03-16T12:33:43 < karlp> and they won't let me change emails anyway. fucking garbage
2020-03-16T12:39:44 < jpa-> K4rlp'spassword  <-- there you go
2020-03-16T12:44:44 < karlp> holy shit, trying paint programs on the laptop for the daughter
2020-03-16T12:45:00 < karlp> they're alll wayyyy more complciated than the draw thing in google notes
2020-03-16T12:45:13 < karlp> too many options, too many things that fuck up the screen or change modes
2020-03-16T12:46:59 < tomeaton17> have you tried paint
2020-03-16T12:47:59 < karlp> pinta was garrbage, using krita now. seems to be getting there
2020-03-16T12:48:10 < karlp> gimp was totally useless forr this
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2020-03-16T13:02:40 < mawk> corona saved my life
2020-03-16T13:03:00 < mawk> yeah gimp is a very bad paint
2020-03-16T13:03:12 < mawk> look at whiteboard type stuff maybe
2020-03-16T13:03:15 < mawk> usually very simple
2020-03-16T13:03:26 < karlp> yeah, I didn't even try, I knew that would suck for her.
2020-03-16T13:06:08 < jpa-> tuxpaint is for children, but even it is a bit annoying with graphics modes etc.
2020-03-16T13:07:17 < karlp> will try that later, thanks for the suggestion
2020-03-16T13:08:04 < karlp> yeah, google keep notes was the good one ont he phone
2020-03-16T13:08:41 < mawk> as a child I always found ways to mess up programs
2020-03-16T13:08:48 < mawk> like associate .exe files with the notepad on my grandpa's windows computer
2020-03-16T13:13:45 < karlp> fucking l4+ naming is garbage.
2020-03-16T13:14:01 < karlp> we already had l4r, now we have l4p and l4q as well. 
2020-03-16T13:15:01 < srk> tell me bout it, had to adjust parsers for these 
2020-03-16T13:15:11 < srk> my favorite is still STM32GBK
2020-03-16T13:16:12 < karlp> what's that one?
2020-03-16T13:16:36 < srk> some ethereal G4
2020-03-16T13:17:39 < mawk> stm32 for great britain
2020-03-16T13:22:22 < Steffanx> i thought microsoft Sketch was simplistic, but it seems they complicated sketch it with sketch 360 with layers and stuff
2020-03-16T13:22:32 < Steffanx> -sketch
2020-03-16T13:23:24 < Steffanx> (somewhere in that sentence :P )
2020-03-16T13:24:38 < karlp> bleh, get all the way into infineon, can't change the email of the account, can't delete the account with emailing them, needs to come from the old email.
2020-03-16T13:52:53 < jly> the dogs
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2020-03-16T14:19:27 < Cracki> dayum some more dead germans, all 80+, 3/4 with comorbid.
2020-03-16T14:23:22 < mawk> let's go to the pharmacy
2020-03-16T14:23:25 < mawk> I expect a 2km queue
2020-03-16T14:23:29 < mawk> I have to get my magic pillz
2020-03-16T14:23:32 < mawk> corona saved me
2020-03-16T14:23:42 < mawk> the doctor called to cancel the appointment and faxed the script to the pharmacy
2020-03-16T14:24:23 < mawk> if I had had to go there, they would've asked me for my insurance card
2020-03-16T14:24:26 < mawk> which I don't have
2020-03-16T14:24:39 < srk> :D
2020-03-16T14:24:51 < srk> insurance cards are silly
2020-03-16T14:25:01 < specing> mawk: how can you take the medicine out of pharmacy without an insurance card?
2020-03-16T14:25:06 < specing> Here it's required for that
2020-03-16T14:25:06 < mawk> by paying with cash
2020-03-16T14:25:29 < srk> you can't be un-insured but yet they'll take you card away when changing jobs etc
2020-03-16T14:25:37 < mawk> in pharmacy they give me a weird look but I can pay by cash
2020-03-16T14:25:42 < mawk> but for the doctor they absolutely don't want
2020-03-16T14:25:44 < mawk> they want the card
2020-03-16T14:25:49 < mawk> same for hospital
2020-03-16T14:26:09 < specing> why don't you copy the card?
2020-03-16T14:26:11 < aandrew> morning my coronachatters
2020-03-16T14:26:22 < mawk> I thought about that but I don't want to go to jail lol
2020-03-16T14:26:24 < mawk> it's pretty easy
2020-03-16T14:26:28 < specing> Why
2020-03-16T14:26:29 < mawk> I have the card, just expired
2020-03-16T14:26:30 < specing> its your card
2020-03-16T14:26:33 < mawk> just needed to change the date
2020-03-16T14:26:40 < mawk> but that sounds a lot like forgery
2020-03-16T14:26:43 < specing> the date is on the card?
2020-03-16T14:26:47 < mawk> yes
2020-03-16T14:26:53 < mawk> it's the european insurance card
2020-03-16T14:26:54 < specing> Isn't the card just an ID and the rest is in some gov database?
2020-03-16T14:27:04 < mawk> not with foreign insurance like I had before
2020-03-16T14:27:06 < mawk> I just moved to NL
2020-03-16T14:27:19 < mawk> and I bought a dutch insurance but it takes time to come cuz corona
2020-03-16T14:27:28 < Cracki> around here, if you're privately insured, you always pay cash/debit/whatever, then you send your insurance the bill
2020-03-16T14:27:36 < Cracki> so pharmacies are very used to that
2020-03-16T14:28:05 < mawk> yeah same in france
2020-03-16T14:28:08 < mawk> and for the doctor
2020-03-16T14:28:09 < Cracki> I don't remember if they needed to know my insurance, they only needed the doc's script
2020-03-16T14:28:53 < Cracki> hm yes, I guess they wanted my insurance card for the easy contact data copy but they don't deal with them at all
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2020-03-16T15:31:17 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/DYjLY7A.png zyp's uni rekt USA
2020-03-16T15:31:48 < veverak> LOL
2020-03-16T15:31:51 < veverak> :D
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2020-03-16T15:57:14 < qyx> heh
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2020-03-16T16:35:35 < karlp> now fucking teams has "trouble updating your messages"
2020-03-16T16:35:37 < karlp> fucking garbage
2020-03-16T16:39:35 < PaulFertser> What's fucking teams?
2020-03-16T16:40:12 < PaulFertser> Is https://zoom.us/ the solution?
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2020-03-16T16:43:53 < karlp> might be. even google meetings work just fine.
2020-03-16T16:43:55 < PaulFertser> Or one can self-host https://trueconf.com/products/server/video-conferencing-server.html
2020-03-16T16:44:13 < karlp> I'm not interested in self-hosting honestly, I do enough sysadmin as it is :)
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2020-03-16T16:44:30 < PaulFertser> How about WebRTC Jitsi?
2020-03-16T16:45:03 < karlp> needs the rest of the team to be on board
2020-03-16T16:45:16 < karlp> and if it's the jitsi I used last, there's no way I understand why anyone  uses it :)
2020-03-16T16:45:30 < dongs> zoom is what a bunch of unis are using now for online classes
2020-03-16T16:45:34 < dongs> i heard its a bit overloaded 
2020-03-16T16:45:35 < dongs> lolz
2020-03-16T16:45:45 < karlp> this is mostly just convincing a couple of people that just because we have an office 365 subscription doesn't mean we have to use teams for everything
2020-03-16T16:47:01 < PaulFertser> wtf karlp is forced to use microsoft software?
2020-03-16T16:50:28 < Cracki> I hear mumble servers are popular with the leftists
2020-03-16T16:50:36 < Cracki> it's like teamspeak but more hammer and sickle
2020-03-16T16:53:17 < PaulFertser> OpenWrt devs use mumble
2020-03-16T16:53:21 < englishman> what's the lunix version of Excel called, tuxsheets?
2020-03-16T16:53:53 < PaulFertser> englishman: https://orgmode.org/manual/The-Spreadsheet.html ;)
2020-03-16T16:54:02 < englishman> currently doing image processing in excel btw
2020-03-16T16:54:17 < srk> sc
2020-03-16T16:54:54 < srk> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sc_(spreadsheet_calculator)
2020-03-16T16:55:13 < Thorn> https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/reports/covid-19-by-the-end-of-may-most-world-airlines-will-be-bankrupt-517512
2020-03-16T16:55:28 < srk> yes pls!
2020-03-16T16:55:44 < srk> pity it won't take any cars away
2020-03-16T16:56:19 < specing> yeah
2020-03-16T16:56:28 < englishman> if we only travelled by bicycle the virus would have never left china
2020-03-16T16:56:42 < specing> it'll mean even more cars used, as public transport is nonexistant
2020-03-16T16:57:02 < srk> in London it meant more bikes 
2020-03-16T17:00:48 < doomba> englishman: the virus would have been transported by gates foundation planes to all countries
2020-03-16T17:01:11 < doomba> https://i.imgur.com/cXUtumY.jpg
2020-03-16T17:01:51 < englishman> zyp emeb are you considering the ecp5 with serded
2020-03-16T17:01:55 < englishman> serdes
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2020-03-16T17:02:47 < englishman> doesn't look like it will add much for usb3
2020-03-16T17:03:48 < englishman> hmm no only usb3 10g is 128/132 so the 8/10 is still useful
2020-03-16T17:04:19 < englishman> the ide for the serdes versions is payware so opensores has an actual advantage there
2020-03-16T17:04:38 < doomba> any glaring mistakes here? https://i.imgur.com/csLDABi.png
2020-03-16T17:04:39 < emeb> englishman: I've got a ULX3S with an LFE5U-85S on it. Haven't played with the serdes though.
2020-03-16T17:04:58 < specing> englishman: what if opensores is GPL?
2020-03-16T17:05:06 < englishman> only 5um has serdes tho?
2020-03-16T17:05:56 < englishman> the fuck do I care what the license for the dev tools are?
2020-03-16T17:07:04 < emeb> englishman: hmm - I guess so. 
2020-03-16T17:07:26 < emeb> good thing I didn't try. :P
2020-03-16T17:08:08 < emeb> wonder if they're the same die, just with the serdes disabled @ test.
2020-03-16T17:08:19 < englishman> probably
2020-03-16T17:08:33 < englishman> they are just little blocks at the bottom
2020-03-16T17:08:36 < specing> englishman: I meant the license for generated binaries
2020-03-16T17:09:21 < englishman> if opensores doesn't allow closed sores is it really free? what I can do with it is limited. sounds very nonLIBRE
2020-03-16T17:09:31 < emeb> I suppose you could try building for 5UM, then edit the bitstream to change it to 5U and see if the serdes work.
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2020-03-16T17:10:04 < emeb> the FOSS tools are pretty flexible for shenanigans like that.
2020-03-16T17:10:12 < specing> englishman: it is
2020-03-16T17:10:44 < specing> englishman: the AdaCore free download of GNAT produces GPL binaries
2020-03-16T17:10:52 < specing> englishman: you cannot close-source them
2020-03-16T17:11:06 < englishman> useless then
2020-03-16T17:11:41 < specing> the paid version allows you to produce close source
2020-03-16T17:11:56 < specing> It's a good system
2020-03-16T17:12:07 < specing> gratis for free software use and paid for commercial
2020-03-16T17:12:09 < mawk> that's the great debate between stallman and the rest englishman 
2020-03-16T17:12:18 < PaulFertser> specing: how is it possible to produce a GPL binary? Doesn't seem to make sense.
2020-03-16T17:12:21 < mawk> linus' troops think freedom include freedom to make closed source software
2020-03-16T17:12:32 < mawk> but stallman wanted his license like a source-opener virus
2020-03-16T17:12:41 < specing> PaulFertser: hmm?
2020-03-16T17:12:45 < jpa-> PaulFertser: require linking to gpl-licensed standard library?
2020-03-16T17:12:47 < englishman> sorry but the sores code for my missile isn't going on sjwhub
2020-03-16T17:12:49 < specing> PaulFertser: the binary includes code from the compiler
2020-03-16T17:12:57 < specing> PaulFertser: which is GPL
2020-03-16T17:13:02 < specing> PaulFertser: therefore the whole binary is GPL
2020-03-16T17:13:15 < PaulFertser> specing: aha, I see
2020-03-16T17:13:27 < englishman> the advantages of using opensores over working and tested payware are disappearing by the minute
2020-03-16T17:13:37 < mawk> nonsense
2020-03-16T17:13:38 < specing> englishman: GNAT is working and tested
2020-03-16T17:13:44 < mawk> why would open source not be tested and working
2020-03-16T17:14:05 < mawk> you can have a case against the GPL, but it's not the same as open source
2020-03-16T17:14:06 < specing> but someone has to pay for that working and tested
2020-03-16T17:14:41 < specing> if you have a no strings attached open source toolchain (e.g. under apache 2.0), then how are you going to pay for its development?
2020-03-16T17:15:14 < mawk> you can pay for open source software maintainance
2020-03-16T17:15:20 < mawk> amazon did it for freertos
2020-03-16T17:15:20 < specing> people that work on such tools and are not paid for it, are effectively slave labour.
2020-03-16T17:15:22 < mawk> it's still free
2020-03-16T17:15:35 < mawk> there's also this tidelift subscription model thing to support opensource devs
2020-03-16T17:15:36 < mawk> and so on
2020-03-16T17:15:40 < mawk> and corporate donations
2020-03-16T17:16:03 < specing> mawk: that's one model, but only big corps can do it reliable (as they have other sources of income to cover it)
2020-03-16T17:16:15 < mawk> yes
2020-03-16T17:16:47 < specing> AdaCore probably needs somewhere around 4000 eur a month for each of its 100-200 employees
2020-03-16T17:16:54 < specing> no way donations are going to cover for that
2020-03-16T17:17:22 < specing> And it is a business that is probably solely working on GNAT, there are no other reliable sources of income
2020-03-16T17:18:28 < specing> And the fact that they CAN provide a fully open toolchain and not go bankrupt under those conditions is just amazing
2020-03-16T17:19:03 < mawk> yeah
2020-03-16T17:19:15 < mawk> and host contests with cash prizes
2020-03-16T17:19:20 < mawk> like the one I did
2020-03-16T17:27:50 < emeb> englishman: daveshah who does a lot of the reverse engr and place/route tools for Symbiotic (the FOSS toolchain folks) believes that the 5U and 5UM are the same die
2020-03-16T17:28:22 < englishman> I believe it
2020-03-16T17:28:46 < englishman> could just be an export thing
2020-03-16T17:28:51 < englishman> because serdes is encryption
2020-03-16T17:28:53 < englishman> or something
2020-03-16T17:29:27 < emeb> need to check if the pinout is the same. could be that they bond out extra normal I/O instead of serdes on the 5U
2020-03-16T17:30:11 < emeb> so you could turn on & connect serdes internally but surprise! no I/O.
2020-03-16T17:30:34 < englishman> sux since 5um is the only devboard from lattice
2020-03-16T17:30:37 < emeb> but you could enable loopback to see if it works.
2020-03-16T17:36:54 < emeb> ah no - diffed the pinouts of the 5U and 5UM - the serdes I/O is shown as "reserved" on the 5U, and all the power pins for the serdes transceivers are shown as GND connections.
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2020-03-16T17:48:43 < emeb> englishman: lol - posed the questions re 5U vs 5UM to the gang over on ##openfpga and now they're rooting around in their bins for spare chips to probe those supposed unused pins.
2020-03-16T17:48:58 < englishman> heh
2020-03-16T17:49:29 < englishman> more people in there than ##fpga
2020-03-16T17:49:38 < mawk> I stole toilet paper at work Steffanx 
2020-03-16T17:49:39 < emeb> it's pretty active
2020-03-16T17:49:46 < Steffanx> lol mawk
2020-03-16T17:49:59 < englishman> rip the dispenser off the wall
2020-03-16T17:50:04 < mawk> lol
2020-03-16T17:50:06 < mawk> they had 100 rolls
2020-03-16T17:53:55 < emeb> englishman: seems that the 5U serdes pins are bonded, and the VDD pins are which are called GND on the pinout are not actually GND.
2020-03-16T17:54:05 < doomba> mawk be like https://i.imgur.com/TpEUZrM.jpg
2020-03-16T17:54:11 < englishman> heh
2020-03-16T17:54:20 < englishman> curiouser and curiouser
2020-03-16T17:54:22 < mawk> lol doomba 
2020-03-16T17:54:56 < doomba> <mawk> say A ROLL to my little friend!
2020-03-16T17:55:00 < mawk> lol
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2020-03-16T18:01:15 < mawk> ohno I'm coughing now Steffanx 
2020-03-16T18:01:19 < mawk> am I going to die ?
2020-03-16T18:02:10 < mawk> the pharmacy lady almost didn't want me to pay by cash, I had to argue for 5 minutes
2020-03-16T18:02:30 < mawk> which third world country doesn't accept visa card anyway
2020-03-16T18:02:40 < englishman> ikr
2020-03-16T18:03:19 < emeb> just spray the cash with IPA
2020-03-16T18:03:21 < mawk> in france we can pay by visa, electron, visapay, maestro, mastercard, amex, ...
2020-03-16T18:03:27 < mawk> yeah they clean it I think
2020-03-16T18:03:35 < mawk> I should've stocked up on IPA
2020-03-16T18:03:38 < mawk> I'm almost out
2020-03-16T18:03:46 < mawk> not the beer englishman , don't get excited
2020-03-16T18:14:23 < Thorn> https://kod.ru/content/images/2020/03/image-123.png
2020-03-16T18:15:45 < mawk> where is that from Thorn lol
2020-03-16T18:15:49 < mawk> ad agency ?
2020-03-16T18:15:53 < Thorn> tiktok
2020-03-16T18:15:57 < mawk> lol
2020-03-16T18:16:07 < mawk> they're in luck, corona saves their ass
2020-03-16T18:16:16 < mawk> otherwise people would talk about it
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2020-03-16T18:17:40 < Thorn> https://theintercept.com/2020/03/16/tiktok-app-moderators-users-discrimination/
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2020-03-16T18:23:40 < Cracki> lol
2020-03-16T18:24:07 < Cracki> so if you throw around dollar notes, you must be poor
2020-03-16T18:26:11 < mawk> yeah
2020-03-16T18:28:36 < Steffanx> is it a "dry cough" mawk?
2020-03-16T18:28:42 < Steffanx> chest pain?
2020-03-16T18:28:44 < mawk> dunno
2020-03-16T18:28:47 < mawk> a bit yes
2020-03-16T18:28:50 < mawk> yesterday
2020-03-16T18:29:07 < mawk> it wasn't a dry cough is weekend, but it's becoming dry
2020-03-16T18:29:08 < Steffanx>  /!\ COVID-19 /!\
2020-03-16T18:29:11 < mawk> lol
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2020-03-16T18:29:20 < mawk> just a cold
2020-03-16T18:29:23 < mawk> don't worry
2020-03-16T18:30:09 < Thorn> you should've picked a country to emigrate more carefully. no corona in central africa
2020-03-16T18:30:28 < mawk> NL is the 3rd country in the world best prepared to an epidemic, according to WHO in 2019
2020-03-16T18:30:36 < mawk> after USA and UK
2020-03-16T18:30:41 < Thorn> according to who?
2020-03-16T18:30:44 < mawk> but since Trump I guess USA lost his place
2020-03-16T18:30:47 < mawk> yes
2020-03-16T18:30:49 < Steffanx> Yes, we see that.. *not* mawk
2020-03-16T18:30:56 < mawk> :(
2020-03-16T18:30:59 < mawk> very prepared Steffanx 
2020-03-16T18:31:08 < Steffanx> we have no clue what to do
2020-03-16T18:31:10 < mawk> have trust in markje ruttje
2020-03-16T18:31:12 < Steffanx> "we" as in they
2020-03-16T18:31:25 < mawk> don't hamster and all be fine
2020-03-16T18:31:42 < mawk> my gf is asking me every hour "but are you sure we shouldn't hamster ??"
2020-03-16T18:32:01 < mawk> but I have infinite trust in Mark, and he said stores are nowhere near being empty
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2020-03-16T18:33:57 < englishman> smorgastarte is good
2020-03-16T18:34:01 < Steffanx> lol does she really use the word "hamster" mawk?
2020-03-16T18:34:05 < englishman> especially after a 1 day rest
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2020-03-16T18:34:30 < mawk> no Steffanx , but she's aware of the hamsters, she talked about the video of the  minister of justice or whatever mimicking hamster
2020-03-16T18:34:47 < Steffanx> That was a sign language talker.
2020-03-16T18:34:59 < Steffanx> That gifje
2020-03-16T18:35:13 < emeb> hmm... urban dictionary does not yet have this usage of hamster defined.
2020-03-16T18:35:26 < Steffanx> Hoarding.
2020-03-16T18:35:28 < Steffanx> or hoard.
2020-03-16T18:35:39 < Steffanx> its dutch emeb
2020-03-16T18:35:42 < mawk> hamsteren
2020-03-16T18:35:50 < mawk> gifje
2020-03-16T18:35:52 < Steffanx> emeb: mawk is semi-dutch
2020-03-16T18:35:59 < Steffanx> living in dutchland
2020-03-16T18:36:01 < mawk> I'm totally dutch :(
2020-03-16T18:36:01 < emeb> shocked that UD doesn't include dutch slang
2020-03-16T18:36:02 < Steffanx> speaking french
2020-03-16T18:36:11 < Steffanx> its not slang. its real.
2020-03-16T18:36:36 < mawk> I'm 1/2 dutch, 1/4 french, 1/4 luxembourgisch
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2020-03-16T18:36:49 < mawk> or rather 100% dutch, 100% french, 100% luxembourgisch
2020-03-16T18:36:54 < emeb> til
2020-03-16T18:36:54 < mawk> for a total of 300% mawk
2020-03-16T18:38:17 < Steffanx> Fat arse.
2020-03-16T18:38:24 < mawk> :(
2020-03-16T18:38:53 < Steffanx> lol
2020-03-16T18:51:00 < Laurenceb> muh heritage
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2020-03-16T18:59:39 < Laurenceb> >britbongs get a press conference on coronavirus delivered by SAGE
2020-03-16T18:59:41 < Laurenceb> my sides
2020-03-16T19:01:06 < tomeaton17> are they orbital?
2020-03-16T19:02:11 < Laurenceb> yes
2020-03-16T19:02:15 < Laurenceb> tfw chucklehead
2020-03-16T19:02:36 < Laurenceb> lolling as the internet hate machine spreads its bile
2020-03-16T19:02:59 < Laurenceb> and worst of all, copyright infringement
2020-03-16T19:05:09 < Laurenceb> https://encyclopediadramatica.wiki/index.php/INTERNET_HATE_MACHINE
2020-03-16T19:05:16 < Laurenceb> >no ben garrison on the page
2020-03-16T19:05:18 < Laurenceb> epin fail
2020-03-16T19:11:06 < tomeaton17> why have they ruined search in the latest windows update the autocomplete is so much worse
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2020-03-16T19:18:04 < jpa-> Steffanx: hamstraus is in finnish also
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2020-03-16T19:19:16 < Steffanx> Heh. The first word ever that slightly looks like the dutch one jpa- :D
2020-03-16T19:21:08 < mawk> ik wil hamster eten
2020-03-16T19:21:11 < mawk> met saus
2020-03-16T19:24:28 < BrainDamage> keeping a pantry is a good practice irregardless current pandemic
2020-03-16T19:24:44 < BrainDamage> just don't go overboard with food accumulation
2020-03-16T19:25:13 < mawk> my flat is smal
2020-03-16T19:25:15 < mawk> l
2020-03-16T19:25:17 < mawk> so is my wallet
2020-03-16T19:25:36 < BrainDamage> the expense is one time only
2020-03-16T19:25:49 < BrainDamage> afterwards it's just a pipeline
2020-03-16T19:25:59 < mawk> yeah
2020-03-16T19:26:24 < BrainDamage> low on space is a valid concern, yes
2020-03-16T19:31:18 < emeb> and don't forget - you can get several days worth of canned / dried food into the space that a few rolls of TP take up.
2020-03-16T19:32:31 < srk> lol
2020-03-16T19:32:35 < srk> priorities
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2020-03-16T19:44:45 < englishman> can't wipe your ass with beans. but you can eat toilet paper.
2020-03-16T19:46:34 < BrainDamage> you can use artichokes
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2020-03-16T19:48:10 < emeb> I've still got a pile of newspapers left over from before I canceled the subscription.
2020-03-16T19:53:57 < antto> ST's SVD files have <newlines> in the description strings >:(
2020-03-16T19:55:38 < srk> not only
2020-03-16T19:55:42 < srk> also other trash
2020-03-16T19:55:49 < srk> like &#123;
2020-03-16T19:56:29 < srk> filterCrap = unwords . words . filter (\c -> Char.ord c < 127) . filter ( not . (flip elem ['\n', '\t', '\r']))
2020-03-16T19:56:32 < srk> xD
2020-03-16T19:56:35 < antto> thing is.. they seem to have wrapped the whole .svd file to 80-char width or such, and it's most often the <description>Blahblah blah blohb meeeh</description> that doesn't fit
2020-03-16T19:57:01 < jpa-> strip newlines and pretty-print the xml
2020-03-16T19:57:03 < antto> so i wonder, could it have also appeared in some other.. more important element
2020-03-16T19:57:10 < srk> use the provided filterCrap function :D
2020-03-16T19:57:22 < antto> provided?
2020-03-16T19:57:39 < srk> yeah, few lines before
2020-03-16T19:57:59 < srk> you can use my parser as well if you want
2020-03-16T19:58:12 < antto> what language is that?
2020-03-16T19:58:15 < srk> haskell
2020-03-16T19:58:19 < antto> x_x
2020-03-16T19:58:30 < antto> i don't sp33k haskell
2020-03-16T19:58:40 < srk> https://github.com/HaskellEmbedded/data-stm32
2020-03-16T19:59:01 < srk> there's also modm-devices, svd2ada, svd2rust 
2020-03-16T19:59:19 < srk> stuff that does the same thing (generating defs for $LANG from svds)
2020-03-16T19:59:45 < antto> plus i'm mainly interested in generating headers for same54, but also eyeballing how my parser deals with other vendor's SVDs, or at least some randomly picked stm32f496
2020-03-16T19:59:50 < antto> * 469
2020-03-16T19:59:59 < srk> yeah, did the same recently
2020-03-16T20:00:12 < antto> but i need C++-friendly headers
2020-03-16T20:00:14 < srk> with svd2ada svds for arm cortex stuff
2020-03-16T20:00:18 < srk> modm-devices then?
2020-03-16T20:00:30 < srk> https://github.com/distrap/hgdbq
2020-03-16T20:00:32 < antto> haven't heard about those, lemme throw an eyeball at them
2020-03-16T20:00:32 < srk> https://github.com/distrap/hgdb
2020-03-16T20:00:34 < srk> cat
2020-03-16T20:00:34 < srk> ffs
2020-03-16T20:02:46 < Steffanx> Haksell.
2020-03-16T20:03:06 < antto> h4ks0r
2020-03-16T20:03:07 < srk> Agda
2020-03-16T20:03:48 < Steffanx> I wonder how much specing contributed to https://github.com/AdaCore/svd2ada/
2020-03-16T20:04:08 < antto> 105% ?
2020-03-16T20:04:16 < Steffanx> At least
2020-03-16T20:04:18 < Steffanx> Welcome antto
2020-03-16T20:04:43 < specing> Steffanx: I didn't have to. It works well
2020-03-16T20:05:10 < antto> srk on first look i don't see anything useful there *shrug*
2020-03-16T20:05:27 < Laurenceb> sheet 53 dead
2020-03-16T20:05:36 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: btw, in Russian there's a word "to hamster" but it means "to eat something fast without the others noticing".
2020-03-16T20:06:05 < antto> https://i.imgur.com/6wxXfBd.png
2020-03-16T20:06:14 < antto> muh parz0r earlier today
2020-03-16T20:06:55 < srk> antto: CMSIS-SVD/Cortex_M
2020-03-16T20:07:05 < Steffanx> antto are you leeloo?
2020-03-16T20:07:15 < Steffanx> Posting code in SCREENSHOTS.
2020-03-16T20:07:34 < jpa-> it's copy protection
2020-03-16T20:07:39 < jpa-> so we don't steal the codez
2020-03-16T20:08:10 < antto> the whole thing is kinda long and many pastebin sites think it's spam
2020-03-16T20:08:29 < antto> also i got lots of "#if 0" disabled old code
2020-03-16T20:08:39 < srk> antto: https://github.com/HaskellEmbedded/data-stm32/blob/master/src/Data/CMX/Parse/MCU.hs
2020-03-16T20:08:44 < srk> gore
2020-03-16T20:09:11 < Laurenceb> damn flightradar24 looks emplty
2020-03-16T20:09:53  * PaulFertser doesn't understand arrows :(
2020-03-16T20:10:09 < antto> srk wut is this, i don't understand
2020-03-16T20:10:54 < Steffanx> Our prime minister is giving a talk atm. He is kinda in the "We've lost the war"-mode. hm.
2020-03-16T20:11:33 < srk> antto: magic, saves you some typing
2020-03-16T20:11:49 < antto> and what do i gain?
2020-03-16T20:11:53 < jpa-> our government is mostly women now, no comparisons to war heard so far
2020-03-16T20:12:18 < srk> antto: your brain's gonna explode
2020-03-16T20:12:23 < Steffanx> He doenst use the word "war"  but he is totally into that mode for sure jpa-
2020-03-16T20:12:26 < srk> twice
2020-03-16T20:12:30 < antto> imma skip then
2020-03-16T20:12:42 < antto> muh brain is already eggsploding
2020-03-16T20:13:35 < srk> PaulFertser: no need to, you just use them in this case (as HXT forces em on you)
2020-03-16T20:13:58 < antto> hm, i think i might be able to easily solve all the newline crap, since muh sh*t is a templated function >:)
2020-03-16T20:14:39 < srk> PaulFertser: this is way more fun than xml - https://paste.rs/qqU.hs
2020-03-16T20:15:04 < PaulFertser> srk: heh, I was doing a similar "no need to understand how it's working or what it really means" with parsec successfully.
2020-03-16T20:15:21 < srk> monadic parser combinators are the best thing
2020-03-16T20:15:27 < antto> Steffanx, here ya go: https://pastebin.com/C9t5E9mY
2020-03-16T20:16:51 < srk> PaulFertser: with parsec the only "hard" thing is backtracking (i.e. you sometimes need 'try'), attoparsec does that by default which makes it even easier to use
2020-03-16T20:17:08 < Steffanx> hah antto :P
2020-03-16T20:17:23 < antto> the interesting sh*t begins from about 1196 onwards
2020-03-16T20:17:23 < PaulFertser> srk: yep
2020-03-16T20:19:13 < karlp> specing so drunk on adaaid that thinks paid compilers are any sort of path forward.
2020-03-16T20:19:48 < specing> karlp: stop pretending that people don't pay for compilers
2020-03-16T20:19:58 < specing> Keil and IAR are still in business
2020-03-16T20:20:27 < antto> apt install gcc
2020-03-16T20:20:29 < antto> ;P~
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2020-03-16T20:20:51 < Steffanx> 'apt' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
2020-03-16T20:20:51 < Steffanx> operable program or batch file.
2020-03-16T20:20:53 < srk> antto: it's like a complete program in one file, I see! :D
2020-03-16T20:21:03 < antto> srk it is
2020-03-16T20:21:10 < antto> that's... the whole thing
2020-03-16T20:21:12 < antto> so far
2020-03-16T20:21:36 < antto> including old remainings from the atmel ATDF parser i was writing
2020-03-16T20:21:43 < antto> (which turned into a mess)
2020-03-16T20:23:29 < srk> btw there are few real bugs in these SVD not only garbage in description but bit shifts/wrong RCC positions
2020-03-16T20:23:39 < srk> rare but I managed to find a few
2020-03-16T20:24:20 < antto> there are errors in the atmel headers related to xmega which originate from the ATDF files
2020-03-16T20:24:28 < antto> overlapping flash sections
2020-03-16T20:24:41 < srk> <3
2020-03-16T20:24:46 < antto> so i won't be surprised
2020-03-16T20:24:46 < srk> but that's easy to check for
2020-03-16T20:24:55 < srk> bit positions are hard
2020-03-16T20:25:05 < srk> you need to compare it to pdf data
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2020-03-16T20:27:36 < antto> so far i only found 1 problem with atmel's SVDs: the SVD format page says that empty XML elements can't be written in the short form, and in the same54.svd in a few places there's "<description/>"
2020-03-16T20:27:56 < antto> but that's pretty "meh"
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2020-03-16T20:27:59 < srk> you can validate these 
2020-03-16T20:28:23 < antto> why do i have to validate bit positions?
2020-03-16T20:28:23 < srk> according to schema, or generate a parser from it
2020-03-16T20:28:39 < srk> you don't have to
2020-03-16T20:28:52 < srk> only if you want to be sure they are correct
2020-03-16T20:29:17 < antto> if the .svd is wrong imma bother $vendor
2020-03-16T20:29:27 < antto> or butcher something together myself
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2020-03-16T20:39:38 < Cracki> validate XML, you mean?
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2020-03-16T20:43:46 < Steffanx> if the SVDs of atmel/microchip are as bad as the datasheet then you will easily find errors
2020-03-16T20:43:50 < Steffanx> DAMN those are bad
2020-03-16T20:43:55 < BrainDamage> <bit pos=1>0</bit>
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2020-03-16T20:54:18 < srk> Cracki:     longDescription = ''
2020-03-16T20:54:18 < srk>       Novena boards contain a device-dependent descriptive EEPROM that defines various parameters such as serial number, MAC address, and featureset. This program allows you to view and manipulate this EEPROM list.
2020-03-16T20:54:22 < srk>     '';
2020-03-16T20:54:22 < srk> fuck
2020-03-16T20:54:29 < Cracki> I'll take it
2020-03-16T20:54:36 < srk> Cracki: <device schemaVersion="1.2" xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xs:noNamespaceSchemaLocation="CMSIS-SVD.xsd" 
2020-03-16T20:54:39 < srk> this
2020-03-16T20:54:47 < Cracki> ye
2020-03-16T20:55:08 < srk> XSD whatever it means, you can at least use it to write parser according to it xD
2020-03-16T20:55:36 < Cracki> I always yolo it with python's elementtree bindings
2020-03-16T20:56:13 < Cracki> some xpath if I feel like it. never had to actually visit/walk a tree
2020-03-16T20:59:21 < Cracki> cool, spacex found a launch "window", in almost 2 days
2020-03-16T20:59:34 < Cracki> 44h
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2020-03-16T21:10:20 < Laurenceb> >Al Gore invented the internet
2020-03-16T21:10:34 < Laurenceb> >the internet is used to harass women and girls
2020-03-16T21:10:45 < Laurenceb> >Al Gore is the Patriarchy
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2020-03-16T21:22:10 < kakimir> does host key fingerprint stay forever or does it have expiration?
2020-03-16T21:22:44 < kakimir> does it matter if I use Ip address or hostname to connect?
2020-03-16T21:22:53 < kakimir> how fingerprint is formed
2020-03-16T21:22:55 < BrainDamage> for what? ssh?
2020-03-16T21:22:57 < kakimir> yes
2020-03-16T21:23:15 < BrainDamage> stays forever until the admin generates a new one, which happens ~never
2020-03-16T21:23:23 < kakimir> do client have time limit for holding fingerprint
2020-03-16T21:23:26 < BrainDamage> fingerprint is the hash of the public key
2020-03-16T21:23:29 < BrainDamage> no
2020-03-16T21:24:06 < kakimir> if this happens constantly
2020-03-16T21:24:15 < kakimir> what is going on?
2020-03-16T21:24:43 < BrainDamage> that something is fucky, is the server being reinstalled?
2020-03-16T21:24:52 < kakimir> maybe
2020-03-16T21:25:00 < kakimir> does dist-upgrade count?
2020-03-16T21:25:03 < BrainDamage> no
2020-03-16T21:25:26 < BrainDamage> you need to delete /etc/sshd to wipe the keys
2020-03-16T21:25:35 < BrainDamage> they get generated the first time you launch sshd
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2020-03-16T21:27:17 < BrainDamage> the cache is there to prevent an attack called man-in-the-middle
2020-03-16T21:27:45 < BrainDamage> where someone else pretends to be the server you talk to and then relay the connection transparently
2020-03-16T21:28:01 < BrainDamage> ips are fine as long as they don't change
2020-03-16T21:28:10 < kakimir> how do I confirm the fingerprint
2020-03-16T21:28:11 < BrainDamage> if they change, then you should use hostname
2020-03-16T21:28:26 < kakimir> let's say there is man in the middle
2020-03-16T21:28:34 < kakimir> I can access the server though
2020-03-16T21:28:48 < kakimir> I also have the claimed fingerprint
2020-03-16T21:29:23 < kakimir> how to see if match?
2020-03-16T21:29:31 < antto> holy sh*t, tons of elements in stm SVD with newlines it seems o_O
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2020-03-16T21:29:39 < antto> including important ones
2020-03-16T21:29:51 < kakimir> SVD?
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2020-03-16T21:30:32 < PaulFertser> kakimir: you confirm the fingerprint the first time you access the server
2020-03-16T21:30:50 < kakimir> I have been confirming fingerprints for a while
2020-03-16T21:31:00 < kakimir> no idea what the original is
2020-03-16T21:31:03 < PaulFertser> kakimir: if you're MITM'd during that, well, you're supposed to know the right fingerprint in advance via some other channel.
2020-03-16T21:32:01 < BrainDamage> do you have physical access to the server?
2020-03-16T21:32:12 < kakimir> I have physical access too
2020-03-16T21:32:18 < kakimir> how to read fingerprint
2020-03-16T21:32:19 < BrainDamage> ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_ecdsa_key.pub
2020-03-16T21:32:48 < BrainDamage> replace ecdsa with rsa, etc to see the different keys
2020-03-16T21:34:17 < BrainDamage> to print them all at once:
2020-03-16T21:34:20 < BrainDamage>  ls /etc/ssh/*.pub | xargs -n 1 ssh-keygen -l -f
2020-03-16T21:34:39 < BrainDamage> make sure to match the algo
2020-03-16T21:35:50 < kakimir> could there be change of algo that causes non-established security?
2020-03-16T21:36:07 < kakimir> in server side or client side(client has not been updated though)
2020-03-16T21:36:40 < kakimir> like switch from rsa to ecdsa with some system upgrade?
2020-03-16T21:36:48 < antto> no, false, only the description elements
2020-03-16T21:37:15 < antto> kakimir cmsis-svd files
2020-03-16T21:37:17 < BrainDamage> no, client and server negotiate the algo, the key per algo doesn't change
2020-03-16T21:37:29 < BrainDamage> and you get a big fat warning if the server key changes
2020-03-16T21:37:30 < kakimir> yes but if it changes
2020-03-16T21:37:40 < kakimir> aha
2020-03-16T21:38:09 < BrainDamage> the keys are saved in .ssh/known_hosts
2020-03-16T21:38:12 < kakimir> I have not seen any warnings though
2020-03-16T21:38:23 < BrainDamage> does the server ip changes?
2020-03-16T21:38:41 < BrainDamage> the key is cached per ip/hostname
2020-03-16T21:38:54 < BrainDamage> if the ip changes, you'll keep getting prompts
2020-03-16T21:39:10 < kakimir> aha
2020-03-16T21:39:22 < kakimir> that would also cause that
2020-03-16T21:39:58 < kakimir> I can sleep my mornings again
2020-03-16T21:40:02 < kakimir> thanks BrainDamage
2020-03-16T21:40:14 < BrainDamage> if you have dhcp, go to the settings and set assigned ips by mac
2020-03-16T21:40:24 < BrainDamage> that'll make things simpler in general, not just ssh
2020-03-16T21:40:43 < kakimir> yes I was doing that same time than I got non-established prompts
2020-03-16T21:41:10 < kakimir> I thought only key fingerprint was stored and no link to address
2020-03-16T21:41:49 < kakimir> I checked now if thing I set static few months ago is still known host
2020-03-16T21:41:53 < kakimir> it still is
2020-03-16T21:44:21 < BrainDamage> one problem with roaming ips is that if you have 2 machines that roam ips, you'll risk that one gets the ip of the other
2020-03-16T21:44:32 < BrainDamage> and then the cache will throw you warnings that the key changed
2020-03-16T21:44:49 < BrainDamage> because it remembered the key of machine a, when now its ip is assigned to machine b
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2020-03-16T21:47:10 < kakimir> usually dhcp tries to keep the ip though
2020-03-16T21:47:23 < kakimir> it just assigns the same ip every time even when not set static
2020-03-16T21:48:01 < BrainDamage> yes, but it's not 100% reliable
2020-03-16T21:48:06 < kakimir> yes
2020-03-16T21:48:19 < BrainDamage> if you restart both the dhcp and the target machine, the cache is lost
2020-03-16T21:48:58 < BrainDamage> if you restart only the machine, the server remembers the old one, if you restart just the client, the client requests the old ip first
2020-03-16T21:49:08 < BrainDamage> but if you restart both, then there's no cache
2020-03-16T21:49:28 < BrainDamage> that's why you should assign the macs statically
2020-03-16T21:52:30 < kakimir> there is no .ssh :/
2020-03-16T21:52:49 < kakimir> home/.ssh/ right?
2020-03-16T21:53:03 < qyx> nie
2020-03-16T21:53:05 < qyx> *no
2020-03-16T21:53:06 < BrainDamage> ~/.ssh
2020-03-16T21:53:10 < qyx> /home/user/.ssh
2020-03-16T21:53:40 < qyx> BrainDamage is more correct
2020-03-16T21:54:20 < kakimir> ah
2020-03-16T21:54:33 < kakimir> brainfart.. *I'm trying to known hosts my server
2020-03-16T21:54:49 < kakimir> in lunix terminal should change color when not local
2020-03-16T21:55:00 < BrainDamage> mine does
2020-03-16T21:55:09 < BrainDamage> it's a thing of the shell prompt
2020-03-16T21:55:30 < BrainDamage> you can customize it, and many do use diff colours if you're on a remote session
2020-03-16T21:56:25 < BrainDamage> the syntax is pretty esoteric though
2020-03-16T21:56:46 < kakimir> terminal program should just have checkbox
2020-03-16T21:56:54 < BrainDamage> terminal doesn't know
2020-03-16T21:57:04 < kakimir> so it's ssh script?
2020-03-16T21:57:04 < BrainDamage> for terminal it's all text
2020-03-16T21:57:15 < kakimir> that injects ansi
2020-03-16T21:57:18 < BrainDamage> ssh is like tcp, doesn't know either
2020-03-16T21:57:31 < BrainDamage> it's the shell that makes the text
2020-03-16T21:57:32 < kakimir> so your remote has script then?
2020-03-16T21:57:36 < BrainDamage> yes
2020-03-16T21:58:05 < kakimir> and it's kinda tricky?
2020-03-16T21:58:22 < BrainDamage> well, the syntax is ugly as shit if you want to customize
2020-03-16T21:58:31 < BrainDamage> but if you copypaste someone else, it's just 1 line
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2020-03-16T21:59:03 < kakimir> if there was shell/terminal auxiliary data interface stuff could be done locally
2020-03-16T21:59:49 < kakimir> or terminal program would just see if ssh is running at current terminal
2020-03-16T21:59:58 < kakimir> then change bg
2020-03-16T22:00:06 < kakimir> have you concidered that option?
2020-03-16T22:00:15 < BrainDamage> while that's doable in principle, ssh can be called even just as tunnel
2020-03-16T22:00:19 < BrainDamage> not for a shell
2020-03-16T22:00:30 < kakimir> no scripting all your remotes that all not might be even yours?
2020-03-16T22:00:54 < kakimir> launch parameters are visible though?
2020-03-16T22:01:08 < BrainDamage> yes, but you're starting to get real complicated
2020-03-16T22:01:31 < kakimir> yes
2020-03-16T22:01:42 < BrainDamage> especially when you account that ssh can switch shells, etc
2020-03-16T22:02:09 < BrainDamage> it can work for the default case, but if you want to account for everything, you end up ramping up the complexity a lot
2020-03-16T22:02:17 < kakimir> I wouldn't have a clue how to do that though
2020-03-16T22:02:30 < kakimir> even simple one
2020-03-16T22:02:36 < BrainDamage> my recommendation is instead of changing the server's shell, change the local one
2020-03-16T22:02:45 < BrainDamage> you'll see if you're logged remotely immediately
2020-03-16T22:02:53 < BrainDamage> that's what I've done
2020-03-16T22:03:33 < BrainDamage> this is one guide if you want it custom
2020-03-16T22:03:36 < BrainDamage> https://www.howtogeek.com/307701/how-to-customize-and-colorize-your-bash-prompt/
2020-03-16T22:03:50 < BrainDamage> otherwise, just google shell ps1 templates or something of the sort
2020-03-16T22:03:57 < BrainDamage> and copypaste one that you like
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2020-03-16T22:28:51 < qyx> so lcsc asks $30 for DHL
2020-03-16T22:29:12 < qyx> quite much for 3 quacktels
2020-03-16T22:32:02 < specing> cheap
2020-03-16T22:32:07 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
2020-03-16T22:32:25 < specing> germans shops charge $25 to ship stuff two countries down
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2020-03-16T22:33:27 < qyx> in this case I may get mikrotik's LTE locally even cheaper
2020-03-16T22:34:41 < Cracki> they usually don't know what the cheapest method is. they go to the postal service, they quote something for "insured and tracked" or whatever, and customer pays
2020-03-16T22:35:45 < Cracki> and if you say "Warensendung" (shipment of wares), which is the cheapest because untracked and uninsured etc, they say "you might as well throw it in the bin"
2020-03-16T22:36:22 < Cracki> we don't have USPS-in-NYC level of malice around here, thankfully
2020-03-16T22:36:34 < specing> Sometimes progress has to be signed into an EU directive for things to move forward
2020-03-16T22:36:57 < Cracki> I wish all eu directives meant progress
2020-03-16T22:37:20 < Cracki> they come up with all kinds of shit they deserve to be removed from office for
2020-03-16T22:38:06 < specing> yeah
2020-03-16T22:38:38 < Steffanx> FREE EV FOR specing directive?
2020-03-16T22:39:00 < specing> I already have one, and they are affordable anyway
2020-03-16T22:39:07 < specing> actually I have two
2020-03-16T22:39:14 < Steffanx> One of those illegal toys right?
2020-03-16T22:39:15 < specing> because they are cheap
2020-03-16T22:39:22 < specing> One of them is illegal, yes
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2020-03-16T22:57:23 < mawk> if it's a new ip you need to reconfirm fp
2020-03-16T22:57:33 < mawk> only if there really is a MITM risk then ssh will yell at you
2020-03-16T22:57:45 < mawk> but there's the bootstrap issue with that
2020-03-16T22:57:49 < mawk> hence SSHFP dns records
2020-03-16T22:57:53 < mawk> kakimir ^
2020-03-16T22:58:32 < englishman> can you really call a $300 electric scooter from amazon an EV
2020-03-16T22:58:37 < englishman> an electric conveyance sure
2020-03-16T22:58:41 < englishman> but vehicle, meh
2020-03-16T22:58:55 < specing> englishman: yes, it is a vehicle and its electric
2020-03-16T22:59:38 < englishman> i thought every swiss person was assigned a tesla at birth along with a SG 551
2020-03-16T22:59:42 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2020-03-16T22:59:48  * Laurenceb just went to supermarkets
2020-03-16T23:00:02 < Laurenceb> no point, just empty shelves
2020-03-16T23:00:06 < specing> Laurenceb: your sides are empty?
2020-03-16T23:00:10 < Laurenceb> yeah
2020-03-16T23:00:22 < englishman> thanks brexit
2020-03-16T23:00:26 < Laurenceb> sides status: starving child and vulture.jpg
2020-03-16T23:00:34 < englishman> does anyone remember brexit
2020-03-16T23:00:47 < Laurenceb> lol now nobody cares about brexit
2020-03-16T23:00:47 < specing> Look at this on the bright side
2020-03-16T23:00:52 < specing> all the old leavers will die
2020-03-16T23:00:59 < specing> leaving just young remainers alive
2020-03-16T23:01:06 < specing> and you'll rejoin the EU by 2021
2020-03-16T23:01:10 < Laurenceb> poles rubbing hands.gif
2020-03-16T23:03:49 < Laurenceb> apparently they emptied all the supermarkets between 4:30 and 6:30
2020-03-16T23:04:08 < Laurenceb> after mastermind Boris did his "dont panic" press conference
2020-03-16T23:04:40 < Laurenceb> I went too late and it was literally empty shelves with a few confused people looking for any food
2020-03-16T23:06:01 < Laurenceb> tfw http://pirate.shu.edu/~mckenndo/Starving%20child.jpg
2020-03-16T23:07:00 < englishman> borders closed
2020-03-16T23:07:12 < englishman> this is exactly like that 2003 flash game
2020-03-16T23:07:14 < antto> clorders bosed
2020-03-16T23:07:22 < englishman> right down to madagascar having no cases
2020-03-16T23:07:45 < Laurenceb> >few thousand ppl die of virus
2020-03-16T23:07:53 < Laurenceb> >millions starve to death
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2020-03-16T23:08:13 < englishman> calm down there fatty
2020-03-16T23:08:20 < englishman> you'll get your frozen cakes tomorrow
2020-03-16T23:08:23 < Laurenceb> no tendies for me
2020-03-16T23:08:31 < BrainDamage> if left unchecked it'd easily make millions of deaths as well
2020-03-16T23:08:40 < kakimir> Laurenceb: you as all of us should understand to use calculator
2020-03-16T23:09:10 < antto> we got the first corizzle vizzle case in Bansko, and it's some uk kid with his uncle where they got the virus from the uncle's sister and they knew it but they went "hey, wanna ski in Bansko? let's go"
2020-03-16T23:09:16 < Laurenceb> but it hasnt spiralled out of control anywhere yet
2020-03-16T23:09:26 < kakimir> create projection for unchecked spread Laurenceb
2020-03-16T23:09:41 < kakimir> it will become unchecked if not checked
2020-03-16T23:09:47 < kakimir> or restricted
2020-03-16T23:09:48 < Laurenceb> death=exp(alpha*t)
2020-03-16T23:10:09 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: https://www.corriere.it/speciale/salute/2020/mappa-coronavirus-italia/
2020-03-16T23:10:17 < BrainDamage> that looks quite an exp to me
2020-03-16T23:10:29 < BrainDamage> the derivative is flattening only after quarantine measures
2020-03-16T23:10:36 < kakimir> now how about for people needing medical care Laurenceb?
2020-03-16T23:11:06 < antto> loirens can only provide comedical care
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2020-03-16T23:23:52 < kakimir> Laurenceb
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2020-03-16T23:25:15 < kakimir> are you dumb like that? 
2020-03-16T23:25:25 < Steffanx> i would rather give the medical care to myself kakimir
2020-03-16T23:28:46 < Steffanx> oh that's not what you said. I read you wanted to give Laurenceb medical care :P
2020-03-16T23:29:07 < machinehum> https://github.blog/2020-03-16-npm-is-joining-github/
2020-03-16T23:29:16 < Steffanx> Is bad reading a sign of COVID-19 ?
2020-03-16T23:29:36 < kakimir> unchecked spread means approximately that everybody needing medical care die, health care system collapses completely and it becomes a task of removing bodies from everywhere.. houses, streets, cars, hospitals, hospital courtyards, stadiums
2020-03-16T23:29:51 < Steffanx> Thanks machinehum. What will you npm now
2020-03-16T23:30:31 < Steffanx> I hope not kakimir. Ill work from how now as much as possible.
2020-03-16T23:32:33 < Steffanx> Wont the finnish die alone in their basement kakimir? To be found mummified in the basement decades later.
2020-03-16T23:32:40 < kakimir> yes
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2020-03-16T23:33:00 < kakimir> that is the finnish way
2020-03-16T23:33:32 < englishman> github.blog
2020-03-16T23:33:41 < Steffanx> github.io was taken i guess
2020-03-16T23:34:48 < BrainDamage> well, the freezing temps will help preserving the corpses
2020-03-16T23:35:16 < kakimir> Steffanx: but UK
2020-03-16T23:35:46 < kakimir> Laurenceb: have you done (UK) anything concrete?
2020-03-16T23:36:13 < Steffanx> I still wonder if this photo of some run in the UK i saw today was real.
2020-03-16T23:38:30 < englishman> border services agent at the country's biggest airport caught it
2020-03-16T23:38:32 < englishman> oops
2020-03-16T23:38:52 < englishman> in hawaii they just give you a lei
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2020-03-16T23:52:00 < kakimir> do you even test englishman?
2020-03-16T23:53:01 < englishman> yeah 30k tests so far
2020-03-16T23:53:13 < englishman> 417 pozzed
2020-03-16T23:55:04 < kakimir> 30k tests so far
2020-03-16T23:55:12 < kakimir> you are f'ed
2020-03-16T23:56:03 < englishman> how so
2020-03-16T23:57:26 < kakimir> your border has been open whole time without mandatory quarantines?
2020-03-16T23:58:36 < englishman> there
2020-03-16T23:58:40 < englishman> there's a lot in that question
2020-03-16T23:59:01 < englishman> but the only correct answer is no
2020-03-16T23:59:50 < kakimir> closed as today?
--- Day changed Tue Mar 17 2020
2020-03-17T00:00:05 < englishman> who is closed
2020-03-17T00:00:09 < englishman> pool's closed
2020-03-17T00:00:41 < karlp> heh, icelandair on the news, "we only expect a 30% reduction" and "we have good cash reserves, we expect to survive this comfortably"
2020-03-17T00:00:48 < karlp> absolute blatant bald faced lies.
2020-03-17T00:01:19 < kakimir> englishman: what is the testing policy there?
2020-03-17T00:01:47 < englishman> idk
2020-03-17T00:02:19 < tomeaton17> well I hope you guys bought online entertainment shares before this all happened
2020-03-17T00:02:37 < englishman> disney down 7% today
2020-03-17T00:02:40 < kakimir> tomeaton17: ahhh... I missed that totally
2020-03-17T00:03:17 < englishman> or did you mean like, activision
2020-03-17T00:03:20 < englishman> down 10%
2020-03-17T00:03:43 < tomeaton17> everything is down now
2020-03-17T00:04:17 < tomeaton17> I reckon netflix and the like will start going back up soon
2020-03-17T00:07:18 < tomeaton17> my embedded systems project got cancelled today so unfortunately I wont be able to work with mbed again
2020-03-17T00:09:13 < kakimir> if my ebay order is stuck in china.. has been for a month or so
2020-03-17T00:09:46 < kakimir> how does the refund policy go?
2020-03-17T00:10:20 < kakimir> I need to ask them though if it's in a boat or so
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2020-03-17T00:24:09 < doomba> it's either on the boat or the airplane
2020-03-17T00:24:27 < doomba> they have a constellation of mid-air refueled planes in the air 24/7 with shit being shipped from china
2020-03-17T00:24:32 < doomba> not enough airports to land them all
2020-03-17T00:24:38 < doomba> that's why when you order from jlcpcb, it takes a month.
2020-03-17T00:24:41 < doomba> it's sitting in the sky
2020-03-17T00:26:42 < kakimir> yes
2020-03-17T00:27:45 < englishman> Doritos are sold out
2020-03-17T00:27:47 < englishman> lol
2020-03-17T00:27:51 < jly> fuck..
2020-03-17T00:29:39  * karlp is about out of doritos actually, had them on the shopping list :)
2020-03-17T00:31:45 < BrainDamage> making a party to celebrate the infection?
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2020-03-17T00:33:07 < englishman> potatoes and carrots are back but cheap bread is gone
2020-03-17T00:33:18 < englishman> panic buying sounds complicated
2020-03-17T00:37:48 < emeb> why buy panic when you can get it for free on the internet?
2020-03-17T00:40:43 < BrainDamage> I probably linked it already, but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGvW_9rLfc8
2020-03-17T00:42:47 < jly> yeah it is getting rather annoying tbh
2020-03-17T00:45:19 < BrainDamage> I wonder if open sauce software will get a sleeve of commits with everyone bored at home
2020-03-17T00:45:38 < mawk> I still have to work
2020-03-17T00:45:44 < mawk> maybe from the unemployed coders yeah
2020-03-17T00:46:11 < BrainDamage> you still have to work, but post-work entertainments are cut down significantly
2020-03-17T00:46:24 < jly> i need to buy a beers
2020-03-17T00:46:44 < BrainDamage> then again, I guess most open source contributors don't have much of a social life in the first place ...
2020-03-17T00:46:57 < mawk> yeah
2020-03-17T00:48:28 < specing> yeah
2020-03-17T00:48:38 < specing> I contribute and have no social life, AMA
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2020-03-17T00:50:44 < BrainDamage> https://medium.com/swlh/how-is-computer-programming-different-today-than-20-years-ago-9d0154d1b6ce
2020-03-17T00:55:58 < qyx> heh
2020-03-17T00:56:45 < jly> waifus
2020-03-17T01:02:54 < Steffanx> Where is stvn? Is he alright? Do you know?
2020-03-17T01:03:28 < jly> he's in lockdown
2020-03-17T01:04:20 < Steffanx> Hm
2020-03-17T01:04:54 < Steffanx> Why
2020-03-17T01:07:24 < jly> too much pumping
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2020-03-17T01:14:45 < Steffanx> The hum couldn't handle it
2020-03-17T01:20:32 < jly> game over
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2020-03-17T01:32:04 < qyx> I have two PCBs stacked, how to connect USB  between them?
2020-03-17T01:32:10 < qyx> the stacking height is variable
2020-03-17T01:32:18 < qyx> a PFC/FFC cable?
2020-03-17T01:32:24 < jly> why not
2020-03-17T01:32:35 < jly> FFC sounds cool to me
2020-03-17T01:32:46 < jly> seen it heaps
2020-03-17T01:32:47 < qyx> not usb certified
2020-03-17T01:34:25 < jly> just USB2 stuff I've seen
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2020-03-17T01:43:17 < kakimir> pin row
2020-03-17T01:43:57 < englishman> qyx: samtec mezzanine connector of couree
2020-03-17T01:43:59 < englishman> course
2020-03-17T01:44:23 < englishman> what is the range of stack heights
2020-03-17T01:57:21 < zyp> emeb, interesting discussion
2020-03-17T01:57:52 < emeb> zyp: the serdes one over on ##openfpga?
2020-03-17T01:58:14 < zyp> yes, just read through it
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2020-03-17T01:58:59 < emeb> yeah. might be interesting to try & see if it works
2020-03-17T01:59:44 < zyp> one point though is that the 5U is available in 256bga without the serdes pins mapped out
2020-03-17T02:00:58 < zyp> serdes is the difference between the 256bga and the 381bga, all the other IO are available in the same quantity
2020-03-17T02:01:23 < englishman> could still be the same die
2020-03-17T02:01:30 < zyp> so I figure you'd pick the 256bga if you don't need serdes and the 381bga if you want to maintain compatibility with serdes parts
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2020-03-17T02:02:01 < zyp> yes, but emeb's theory is that they test which parts have good serdes after packaging
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2020-03-17T02:02:16 < zyp> because apparently serdes is bonded out on non-serdes parts
2020-03-17T02:03:30 < emeb> well, that doesn't invalidate the concept.
2020-03-17T02:03:30 < englishman> maybe? would bonding alone have that poor of a yield.
2020-03-17T02:03:55 < emeb> just that they allocate a certain number of die for the 256pkg that they don't care about serdes.
2020-03-17T02:04:12 < emeb> so the test prog is shorter - cheaper parts!
2020-03-17T02:04:21 < englishman> or does it cost more to have a different bonding process for the part without serdes, than to have one process for both.
2020-03-17T02:04:56 < emeb> doubt it - the number of pads bonded vs not is not much different.
2020-03-17T02:05:02 < emeb> test time is the $$$ issue
2020-03-17T02:05:12 < emeb> wire bonders are fast
2020-03-17T02:05:57 < englishman> is changing the process fast tho.
2020-03-17T02:05:57 < zyp> makes sense
2020-03-17T02:06:23 < Laurenceb> keek muricans are bulk buying guns to shoot the coronavirus
2020-03-17T02:06:29 < emeb> plus, in my experience the kind of testing that is done at wafer probe is very cursory
2020-03-17T02:07:02 < emeb> because it's hard to get good control of signal integrity with the probes.
2020-03-17T02:07:19 < BrainDamage> generally you put your testing circuits in the area that's going to be cut off by the saws
2020-03-17T02:07:28 < emeb> whereas fully packaged parts are much closer to the final product and the load boards can be better controlled.
2020-03-17T02:07:50 < emeb> BrainDamage: yeah - PCMs go in the scribe line.
2020-03-17T02:08:03 < emeb> but that's just basic transistor parameters
2020-03-17T02:08:19 < emeb> wafer probe testing usually has some actual functionality.
2020-03-17T02:08:22 < zyp> btw. I made this map of the 381bga a couple of weeks ago: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/rCCA8.png
2020-03-17T02:08:23 < BrainDamage> yea, you cannot test for in-depth functionality without wasting a lot of area
2020-03-17T02:09:00 < emeb> zyp: nice diagram.
2020-03-17T02:09:19 < emeb> Xilinx usually has stuff like that in their docs. Lattice sometimes does, but not always.
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2020-03-17T02:18:03 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/GoughCJ/status/1239587299136098305
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2020-03-17T02:20:59 < englishman> cool
2020-03-17T02:20:59 < englishman> i had a 38 fever a few weeks ago with a cold
2020-03-17T02:20:59 < englishman> it sucked
2020-03-17T02:21:59 < emeb> I symptoms like that 1st week of Feb.
2020-03-17T02:23:15 < emeb> Joked about having corona at the time - had just gotten back from a convention w/ lots of furriners...
2020-03-17T02:23:50 < antto> KOPOHA
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2020-03-17T02:35:04 < Laurenceb> brexit will cause chaos they said, there will be nothing to eat they said...
2020-03-17T02:35:26 < Laurenceb> NO TENDIES!!!!
2020-03-17T02:36:14 < Laurenceb> if I was american this would cause me to massacre a classroom of small children
2020-03-17T02:36:37 < kakimir> musics laurenceb
2020-03-17T02:36:53 < Laurenceb> >literally bare shelves in every shop
2020-03-17T02:36:57 < Laurenceb> wtf
2020-03-17T02:37:00 < emeb_mac> but Laurenceb is a brit so he'll just embark on a life of knife crime
2020-03-17T02:37:10 < BrainDamage> fortunately classrooms are closed, so nobody to shoot
2020-03-17T02:37:44 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb: just go to waitrose
2020-03-17T02:38:06 < Laurenceb> lolwot
2020-03-17T02:38:11 < Laurenceb> prob empty too
2020-03-17T02:38:24 < BrainDamage> instead of a gun, take a super soaker and load it with warm chicken broth laced with used tissues
2020-03-17T02:38:31 < BrainDamage> be a modern plague spreader
2020-03-17T02:38:42 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb: no I went and all of the expensive groceries were gone but the cheap ones werent
2020-03-17T02:38:54 < Laurenceb> sounds about right
2020-03-17T02:39:01 < Laurenceb> I think Boris caused mass panic
2020-03-17T02:39:04 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb: where do you shop?
2020-03-17T02:39:18 < Laurenceb> I was too lazy and caught the last few people from the rush
2020-03-17T02:39:32 < Laurenceb> tried everywhere apart from M&S and Waitrose
2020-03-17T02:39:38 < tomeaton17> You seem like a guy who shops at pound land
2020-03-17T02:39:49 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-17T02:40:04 < Laurenceb> there is only so much people can stock up on
2020-03-17T02:40:10 < Laurenceb> I'll have to come back in a few days
2020-03-17T02:40:18 < tomeaton17> exactly it will be back to normal soon
2020-03-17T02:40:28 < tomeaton17> but luckily I have hoarded super noodles
2020-03-17T02:40:49 < Laurenceb> >britbong tendies
2020-03-17T02:41:39 < tomeaton17> pretty sure everyone eats noodles m8
2020-03-17T02:41:48 < kakimir> no idea what are tendies
2020-03-17T02:42:07 < Laurenceb> a meme food
2020-03-17T02:42:11 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb are you a neckbeard or something
2020-03-17T02:42:19 < Laurenceb> https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/tendies-stories
2020-03-17T02:42:27 < Laurenceb> just a meme researcher
2020-03-17T02:42:42 < tomeaton17> very based and redpilled
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2020-03-17T03:17:13 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/josephcorcoran/status/1239519525588144130
2020-03-17T03:17:59 < Thorn> >Italians
2020-03-17T03:27:20 < Laurenceb> https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
2020-03-17T03:27:26 < Laurenceb> that doesnt look so good
2020-03-17T03:33:07 < kakimir> wait.. wasn't it 100k ?
2020-03-17T03:33:13 < englishman> looks like there arent any new cases on diamond princess
2020-03-17T03:35:05 < BrainDamage> that cruise must've been hell
2020-03-17T03:41:56 < rajkosto> what about grand princess
2020-03-17T03:42:47 < englishman> hey raj
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2020-03-17T03:58:02 < Laurenceb> https://www.surepulsemedical.com
2020-03-17T03:59:14 < Laurenceb> >insert startup generator script here
2020-03-17T03:59:39 < kakimir> lurence: when you come to funland
2020-03-17T03:59:42 < Laurenceb> https://www.nzdd.co.nz/service/surepulse kek
2020-03-17T03:59:49 < Laurenceb> maybe when coronachan is over
2020-03-17T04:01:50 < doomba> The analog supply (VDDA33) pins on the USB2514B QFN are 5, 10, 29 & 36. They require a connection to +3.3V through a ferrite bead. Be sure to place bulk capacitance on each side of the ferrite bead. 
2020-03-17T04:02:04 < doomba> so... put fat caps on each side of the bead to ground?
2020-03-17T04:02:48 < doomba> that resembles a filter
2020-03-17T04:03:19 < Laurenceb> hmm
2020-03-17T04:03:33 < Laurenceb> it doesnt say if each one should be isolated from the others
2020-03-17T04:03:52 < doomba> there's a schematic that shows only one bead - but it's a pseudoschematic, so i'm not sure
2020-03-17T04:04:02 < doomba> i'll look at the schematic for the evaluation kit and see what they did
2020-03-17T04:07:30 < Laurenceb> nice plan
2020-03-17T04:09:08 < englishman> why are you using anything that isn't gl850g
2020-03-17T04:10:56 < doomba> to be autistic
2020-03-17T04:18:40 < zyp> doomba, yes, that's what it means
2020-03-17T04:18:48 < zyp> and yes, the whole point is to form a filter
2020-03-17T04:21:36 < kakimir> englishman: any good canadian newspapers in english?
2020-03-17T04:22:39 < doomba> zyp: 0.1uF is bulk enough?
2020-03-17T04:22:55 < englishman> not a newspaper but the publicly funded news co is called CBC and they are ok in English (better in French) you can see them at CBC.ca/news
2020-03-17T04:23:33 < englishman> on big events like this they are decent. when it's slowthey just talk about Indians and rape
2020-03-17T04:23:44 < kakimir> ah
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2020-03-17T04:40:35 < zyp> doomba, no
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2020-03-17T05:03:08 < jadew> morning
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2020-03-17T05:26:41 < kakimir> morgon
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2020-03-17T05:53:33 < jadew> any idea where I can order dry yeast online?
2020-03-17T05:53:56 < jadew> not available in Romania anymore
2020-03-17T06:01:17 < kakimir> jeez
2020-03-17T06:01:47 < kakimir> you are making your own hand sanitizer?
2020-03-17T06:02:04 < jadew> no
2020-03-17T06:02:30 < kakimir> order from some beer country
2020-03-17T06:02:32 < jadew> I have some left over surgical sanitizer since my kid was born
2020-03-17T06:02:52 < kakimir> ?
2020-03-17T06:03:02 < jadew> I used to use that before touching him
2020-03-17T06:03:13 < kakimir> ?
2020-03-17T06:03:14 < jadew> in his early days
2020-03-17T06:03:50 < kakimir> you have high standards for precaution
2020-03-17T06:04:48 < Thorn> I bought 2 bottles of сhlorhexidine
2020-03-17T06:04:50 < jadew> I know
2020-03-17T06:04:56 < Thorn> need to get more
2020-03-17T06:05:01 < jadew> Thorn, hope you won't need them
2020-03-17T06:05:31 < jadew> ah, nvm
2020-03-17T06:05:36 < jadew> thought you meant something else
2020-03-17T06:05:38 < jadew> why only 4
2020-03-17T06:05:44 < jadew> ?
2020-03-17T06:06:09 < jadew> I wonder if that's the substance in the disinfectant I use
2020-03-17T06:06:14 < jadew> it has a very nice smell
2020-03-17T06:07:58 < jadew> https://sterillium.info/en/product-range
2020-03-17T06:08:03 < jadew> not sure which one I got
2020-03-17T06:09:27 < dongs> whats standard pinout for RS485 on RJ45/modbus
2020-03-17T06:09:29 < dongs> pins 7/8?
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2020-03-17T08:45:33 < PaulFertser> dongs: not exactly http://www.modbus.org/docs/Modbus_over_serial_line_V1.pdf 3.5.1
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2020-03-17T10:02:37 < qyx> PaulFertser: my motor inverter has it on 7/8
2020-03-17T10:05:28 < Steffanx> Modbus. Modbus has not standards, more common practices :P
2020-03-17T10:06:23 < jpa-> do you people normalize your PID terms? i.e. if measurement is typically -1...1 and actuator is -10000...+10000, is your P term 5000 or 0.5?
2020-03-17T10:07:52 < PaulFertser> qyx: weird, did you check that doc?
2020-03-17T10:07:58 < Cracki> I normalized my actuator to +-1 so I'd have 0.5, but if I had it at +-10000 I'd use P=5000
2020-03-17T10:08:13 < qyx> PaulFertser: yeah
2020-03-17T10:08:33 < qyx> I also tried 4/5 on the inverter first but it didn't work
2020-03-17T10:08:37 < PaulFertser> Am I reading it wrong?
2020-03-17T10:08:44 < Cracki> (I make sure my terms are independent of step size but that should be commonplace)
2020-03-17T10:08:50 < qyx> it has modbus MASTER on the 4/5 pair
2020-03-17T10:09:09 < qyx> or what was it
2020-03-17T10:09:24 < qyx> and the "secondary" modbus on 7/8 is used for control
2020-03-17T10:11:37 < qyx> PaulFertser: page 39 https://inverterdrive.com/file/Invertek-Optidrive-E3-Manual
2020-03-17T10:11:58 < PaulFertser> qyx: well, it's non-standard then.
2020-03-17T10:12:21 < jpa-> Cracki: yeah, seems to be the sanest even though the scaling is a bit arbitrary
2020-03-17T10:14:35 < PaulFertser> qyx: also, they do not even enable parity control which modbus requires.
2020-03-17T10:16:19 < PaulFertser> Hm, and it has CANopen too.
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2020-03-17T10:25:49 < Steffanx> Heh, that modbus document is from 2002. I expected it to be older.
2020-03-17T10:27:02 < Steffanx> Did they only find out years later that some standard might be handy?
2020-03-17T10:34:06 < dongs> PaulFertser: yea i found that later. 4/5 pins
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2020-03-17T11:13:53 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: Anyway, how can you say its "non-standard" when the standard might have been introduced after the "standard" those motor drives use. ;)
2020-03-17T11:16:45 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: if those drivers are that old, indeed, that's inappropriate.
2020-03-17T11:25:54 < Steffanx> Hah :P
2020-03-17T11:27:30 < Steffanx> I do wonder why they didnt come with something like this before. And perhaps some "rules" about how to send strings, > 16 bit values, floats.. etc. 
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2020-03-17T11:46:21 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: http://www.modbus.org/docs/PI_MBUS_300.pdf doesn't even mention RS-485.
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2020-03-17T11:49:03 < kakigate> somebody show this to lurencer https://imgur.com/gallery/5P1N1GI
2020-03-17T11:49:14 < kakigate> and they did it not once
2020-03-17T11:49:18 < kakigate> but twice
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2020-03-17T12:00:12 < Steffanx> i thnk kakigate is an active 4channer too
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2020-03-17T12:19:47 < karlp> PaulFertser: modbus doesn't _require_ parity control, it's the recommended default to use 19200@8e1, but you'll see plenty of things where that is not the default, nor even necessarily an available option
2020-03-17T12:20:07 < karlp> and there's no compliance testing of any sort anyway, so "requires" is a pretty strong word in modbus :)
2020-03-17T12:20:37 < PaulFertser> karlp: I know but the standard says every device must support that, everything else is optional.
2020-03-17T12:20:47 < karlp> yes, and that's irrelevant.
2020-03-17T12:21:11 < PaulFertser> When you're developing your own modbus device why would YOU be ignoring the standard?
2020-03-17T12:21:15 < karlp> there's no standards testing, no compliance marks, and sure as shit not every device does that
2020-03-17T12:21:32 < karlp> ask otherr people? ours defaults to 19200@8e1, because we try and do the best we can :)
2020-03-17T12:21:42 < PaulFertser> So it's relevant for you.
2020-03-17T12:21:45 < karlp> but I've had plenty of devices across my desk that were 9600@8n1 fixed.
2020-03-17T12:21:51 < PaulFertser> Yes, indeed.
2020-03-17T12:21:59 < karlp> sure its' _relevant_ but it's not any sort of real requirement.
2020-03-17T12:22:00 < PaulFertser> Other people are dumb.
2020-03-17T12:22:16 < karlp> the _requirement_ is that if you're building masterrs, you _must_ be more flexible than the standard
2020-03-17T12:22:30 < PaulFertser> Yep
2020-03-17T12:22:37 < karlp> that's ~about  all you get
2020-03-17T12:23:59 < karlp> (and if you think people in that sort of world, who can't even get baud+parity right are paying _any_ attention to a much later group doc attempting to standardize pinouts on rj connectors, you are _dreaming_
2020-03-17T12:58:56 < jadew> I hear stores are empty in the US
2020-03-17T13:00:15 < Steffanx> stores or .. some stores.
2020-03-17T13:01:04 < jadew> I don't know... maybe not all of them, but the ones I got pictures from has been thoroughly raided
2020-03-17T13:01:24 < Steffanx> oh
2020-03-17T13:01:27 < Steffanx> pics.
2020-03-17T13:01:39 < Steffanx> better verify them thoroughly.
2020-03-17T13:01:50 < jadew> my mom made them
2020-03-17T13:01:57 < Steffanx> ive seen too many fake ones around lately.
2020-03-17T13:02:05 < qyx> viral pictures
2020-03-17T13:02:39 < Steffanx> Better tell your mom to come back to Romania.
2020-03-17T13:02:51 < jadew> I'm sure she considered it
2020-03-17T13:03:21 < doomba> you are inside of the maze now.
2020-03-17T13:03:22 < jadew> they still have bottled water and wine tho
2020-03-17T13:03:24 < doomba> there is no escape.
2020-03-17T13:04:27 < jadew> eh, I'm sure they'll restock, but it's such a weird feeling to go into a store and see that the product you're looking for is no longer available
2020-03-17T13:04:36 < jadew> like it happened for me with yeast
2020-03-17T13:04:57 < jadew> luckily there are ways of making bread without it, but still... inconvenient
2020-03-17T13:06:30 < doomba> just wait until the harvest comes up short
2020-03-17T13:06:36 < jadew> heh
2020-03-17T13:06:39 < doomba> because surplus is nearly depleted
2020-03-17T13:06:47 < doomba> and they cuoldn't plant in 19
2020-03-17T13:06:52 < doomba> same for 2020
2020-03-17T13:07:48 < jadew> kinda wish I lived on a farm now
2020-03-17T13:08:11 < jadew> you get a couple of chickens and some dogs to protect them and you have eggs daily
2020-03-17T13:08:21 < jadew> add some cows to the mix, milk too
2020-03-17T13:08:34 < doomba> eggs and cows release too much CO2. grete says NO
2020-03-17T13:08:37 < doomba> *greta
2020-03-17T13:08:56 < doomba> wait for your amazon delivery or starve
2020-03-17T13:09:15 < jadew> online stores are out of stock of in-demand products too
2020-03-17T13:09:29 < jadew> like flour and TP
2020-03-17T13:10:25 < jadew> this wouldn't be a problem under communism
2020-03-17T13:11:21 < jadew> people would not have enough spare money to buy enough food to last them for the next year
2020-03-17T13:11:48 < jadew> and there wouldn't be enough food in stores to begin with
2020-03-17T13:15:40 < jadew> mawk, what's the situation there? I understand that the median age among the dead is lower than in Italy
2020-03-17T13:15:57 < mawk> where ?
2020-03-17T13:15:59 < mawk> NL or FR ?
2020-03-17T13:16:01 < jadew> in France
2020-03-17T13:16:07 < mawk> I'm not sure
2020-03-17T13:16:09 < jadew> oh, right, you moved to NL
2020-03-17T13:16:11 < mawk> I'm only sure that the people are stupid
2020-03-17T13:16:11 < jadew> I forgot
2020-03-17T13:16:17 < mawk> and kissing each other and going out to the market
2020-03-17T13:16:25 < mawk> mass suicide
2020-03-17T13:16:36 < mawk> for the median age yeah looks like italy
2020-03-17T13:16:50 < mawk> we have hospital personel saying guys as young as 19 needs to be intubated
2020-03-17T13:16:58 < mawk> and that only 50% of critical patients are above 70
2020-03-17T13:17:14 < jadew> the news I'm ready says 60
2020-03-17T13:17:41 < jadew> which is below what the Italians are reporting (they have more older patients in critical care)
2020-03-17T13:17:58 < Steffanx> afaik that was only 1 guy mawk :P
2020-03-17T13:18:27 < Steffanx> and i recall it wasnt even a native dutch, so .. a weakling (joking...  )
2020-03-17T13:18:29 < mawk> for france ?
2020-03-17T13:18:33 < Steffanx> no dutchland
2020-03-17T13:18:46 < jadew> we have 3 guys in ICU
2020-03-17T13:19:08 < mawk> it depends on the hospital I gues
2020-03-17T13:19:10 < mawk> I don't know the national median
2020-03-17T13:19:12 < mawk> I read it for a parisian hosital
2020-03-17T13:19:16 < mawk> I mean in the french hospital
2020-03-17T13:19:18 < mawk> in NL I don't know
2020-03-17T13:20:13 < Steffanx> So hows your COVID-19 mawk
2020-03-17T13:20:31 < Steffanx> The pills for your other issue magically solved it?
2020-03-17T13:20:37 < mawk> yes
2020-03-17T13:20:41 < mawk> I got magic pillz
2020-03-17T13:20:43 < mawk> but only for 2 weeks
2020-03-17T13:20:49 < mawk> I hope the pharmacy will stay open
2020-03-17T13:20:59 < mawk> I can get them in any NL pharmacy anyway, I can always go to the hospital
2020-03-17T13:21:07 < Steffanx> I cannot imagine a pharmacy will be closed
2020-03-17T13:21:21 < mawk> I asked the pharmacist lady, she wasn't sure that she wouldn't be closed in 2 weeks
2020-03-17T13:21:26 < Steffanx> I would rather avoid a hospital atm :D
2020-03-17T13:21:38 < jadew> Steffanx, they can stay open, but they're private, so they can close if the owners want that
2020-03-17T13:21:58 < mawk> and for my pet covid I don't know, still a slight fever and coughing
2020-03-17T13:22:10 < jadew> mawk, you contacted it?
2020-03-17T13:22:20 < mawk> going good enough to be able to bear the stupid video meeting that's been going on since 9:30 and still going on now
2020-03-17T13:22:22 < Steffanx> Did your gf get it yet mawk?
2020-03-17T13:22:31 < mawk> I don't know jadew , probably not
2020-03-17T13:22:34 < mawk> but I'm a bit sick
2020-03-17T13:22:40 < jadew> damn
2020-03-17T13:22:41 < mawk> she's not coughing
2020-03-17T13:24:06 < qyx> hm, apparently we have a company in .sk making lung ventilators
2020-03-17T13:24:24 < qyx> and apparently we have them in stock 3x more than italy
2020-03-17T13:24:31 < qyx> <someone> said
2020-03-17T13:24:59 < jadew> we're not making anything, so we're screwed
2020-03-17T13:25:09 < mawk> china's sending stuff over
2020-03-17T13:25:42 < jadew> we're only relying on our strong immune system, built on eating pre-chewed gum found on the street
2020-03-17T13:27:36 < mawk> lol
2020-03-17T13:28:45 < Steffanx> All I do to stop the spreading is work from home. Which isnt too bad, my home pc is much faster than my pc at work :)
2020-03-17T13:29:30 < mawk> then you RDP to your work pc and it's megaslow
2020-03-17T13:29:50 < Steffanx> RDP isnt megaslow it works well
2020-03-17T13:30:14 < Steffanx> The only thing i should not do is use my native screen res (4K). That does make it a bit more sluggish.
2020-03-17T13:30:37 < Steffanx> native = the resolution of my screens at home
2020-03-17T13:31:06 < mawk> then your company's network pipe doesn't suck
2020-03-17T13:31:13 < zyp> heh, just got a call from an Altium salesman regarding the license I've got, he wanted to give a discount on upgrading to AD20
2020-03-17T13:31:17 < mawk> I installed everything locally to be able to not use RDP
2020-03-17T13:31:28 < mawk> for how much ?
2020-03-17T13:31:45 < zyp> he quoted something like 1k EUR
2020-03-17T13:32:01 < zyp> which is almost tempting
2020-03-17T13:32:22 < zyp> but the company that formally owns the license I've got doesn't exist anymore
2020-03-17T13:32:27 < srk> :D are they afraid of kicad?
2020-03-17T13:32:38 < mawk> the law probably handles this case zyp 
2020-03-17T13:32:40 < mawk> someone inherited it
2020-03-17T13:32:57 < zyp> yeah, it wouldn't be unreasonable
2020-03-17T13:35:38 < zyp> I mean, I was one of the founders/owners of said company, so effectively I've indirectly owned the license all along
2020-03-17T13:36:34 < jadew> yeah, in here law says that when a company is dissolved, the assets belong to the owner(s)
2020-03-17T13:38:11 < PaulFertser> X11 forwarding over ssh with high latency is megaslow.
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2020-03-17T13:38:43 < zyp> if I got some more contract work for altium it'd probably make sense to upgrade to AD20
2020-03-17T13:38:54 < srk> I'm now using x11spice and spicy from spice-gtk
2020-03-17T13:39:15 < mawk> xrdp and so on is slow for me
2020-03-17T13:39:17 < mawk> rdp is ok
2020-03-17T13:39:22 < mawk> and I heard x2go is very good
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2020-03-17T13:46:19 < BrainDamage> personally I like xpra a lot
2020-03-17T13:46:44 < BrainDamage> not only it's fast, it has screen/tmux like functionality where you can independently attach and reattach sessions
2020-03-17T13:46:51 < BrainDamage> and it works on a per-program basis
2020-03-17T13:47:05 < BrainDamage> ( you can still forward a whole desktop )
2020-03-17T13:50:24 < zyp> hmm
2020-03-17T13:50:33 < zyp> Altium's EULA says the license is non-transferable
2020-03-17T13:51:07 < jadew> it's not a transfer tho... it just fell in your lap :P
2020-03-17T13:51:50 < jadew> it's more like the owner morphed
2020-03-17T13:52:48 < Steffanx> Can altium revoke licenses? If not, you can always explain them the situation
2020-03-17T13:53:37 < BrainDamage> it sounds to me it's in their interest to let you upgrade
2020-03-17T13:53:52 < BrainDamage> if they cut your license, they get 0 money and you likely wouldn't get any
2020-03-17T13:54:07 < BrainDamage> if they let you upgrade, you spend 1k
2020-03-17T13:55:28 < Steffanx> Yeah, indeed. That exactly.
2020-03-17T13:56:21 < jadew> I would just go "Please send me the link where I can make the payment for the upgrade."
2020-03-17T13:56:27 < jadew> or if you already got one, just use it
2020-03-17T13:56:40 < jadew> they don't care where the money came from
2020-03-17T13:56:58 < jadew> although, they might issue an invoice to your now non-existing company
2020-03-17T13:57:05 < jadew> that might end up being a problem for someone
2020-03-17T14:00:54 < zyp> I wouldn't pay 1k without getting it in the right name
2020-03-17T14:02:03 < zyp> but unless somebody is gonna come and offer me a couple of thousand to do some layout, I can't really justify paying for the upgrade any time soon
2020-03-17T14:03:20 < srk> no worries, soon it will require uptodate version so cloud login works
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2020-03-17T14:19:48 < Cracki> the non-transferable is so nobody starts selling licenses on ebay
2020-03-17T14:20:16 < mawk> if a judge ordered the transfer I'm sure altium is okay with it
2020-03-17T14:20:17 < Cracki> maybe they'll want to implant an rfid dongle in your neck
2020-03-17T14:20:24 < mawk> a judge or a cessation act of the old company or whatever
2020-03-17T14:21:20 < jadew> Cracki, I think in europe licenses are transferable regardless of what the EULA says
2020-03-17T14:21:45 < mawk> most EULAs are abusive yes
2020-03-17T14:21:48 < mawk> they invariably lose inc ourt
2020-03-17T14:21:54 < Cracki> ^
2020-03-17T14:21:58 < jadew> but zyp is not in the EU
2020-03-17T14:22:25 < mawk> I'm sure except in the US any judge would rule any EULA as having at least one abusive clause
2020-03-17T14:22:33 < mawk> or a californian judge maybe
2020-03-17T14:31:32 < Cracki> thanks to wuflu I'm doing my taxes early/on time for the first time ever. they owe me :D
2020-03-17T14:33:29 < jadew> can't say it's affecting me in any good way
2020-03-17T14:33:38 < doomba> thanks to wuflu i'm still uncollectible :)
2020-03-17T14:33:40 < jadew> I haven't done any work in week
2020-03-17T14:33:49 < doomba> and the IRS has bigger fish to fry
2020-03-17T14:34:05 < doomba> my piddly $12K in delinquent taxes are the least of their concerns
2020-03-17T14:34:31 < doomba> sure, i might not be able to get anything from the communist bread truck during the apocolypse but that's what seeds are for
2020-03-17T14:34:39 < Cracki> lol yes that sounds like petty cash
2020-03-17T14:35:06 < doomba> they send me letters like "hey. we're gonna take your shit."
2020-03-17T14:35:10 < doomba> i ignore them
2020-03-17T14:35:11 < Cracki> I still have to send out some applications. I'm really curious to see how engineering companies are about hiring right now.
2020-03-17T14:35:21 < doomba> then they send letters like "you don't have anything we can take. you're uncollectible."
2020-03-17T14:35:21 < Cracki> what would they take anyway
2020-03-17T14:35:27 < Cracki> they can't rob you of essentials
2020-03-17T14:35:35 < Cracki> around here, a fucking tv is considered essential
2020-03-17T14:35:41 < doomba> yea thankfully they can't take your only house / vehicle
2020-03-17T14:35:53 < jadew> they'll take his potatoes
2020-03-17T14:36:05 < Cracki> can they tell potato from stone
2020-03-17T14:36:07 < Cracki> likely not
2020-03-17T14:36:12 < doomba> they can garnish my wages, that's about it.
2020-03-17T14:36:18 < Cracki> here, you can have the heavy juicy ones
2020-03-17T14:36:26 < doomba> they also put a lien on me
2020-03-17T14:36:36 < doomba> but it's ineffective because i don't borrow money
2020-03-17T14:36:36 < Cracki> sounds occult
2020-03-17T14:36:39 < jadew> doomba, you can't file for bankruptcy?
2020-03-17T14:36:50 < doomba> jadew: bankruptcy doesn't apply to government debt
2020-03-17T14:37:04 < jadew> oh... you made the mistake of going to school?
2020-03-17T14:37:16 < doomba> i went to school AND didn't pay income tax for years
2020-03-17T14:37:33 < jadew> ah
2020-03-17T14:37:44 < jadew> what's the statue of limitation on that tho?
2020-03-17T14:37:57 < doomba> i was 1099 working from home taking care of my sick father who had a heart surgery - and needed every dollar to keep a roof over our heads
2020-03-17T14:38:08 < doomba> so i went 3-4 years without paying taxes and got stuck in a debt loop
2020-03-17T14:38:40 < Cracki> ttyl, spoiled students want lectures so they'll get them on video
2020-03-17T14:38:54 < doomba> jadew: for teh student loans it's like 30 years
2020-03-17T14:39:09 < doomba> but they don't just wipe the debt after - they convert it into income
2020-03-17T14:39:23 < doomba> i.e. you no longer owe the student lenders, you owe the gov for the same amount + interest and penalty
2020-03-17T14:39:31 < jadew> lol
2020-03-17T14:39:50 < doomba> which is the same thing that will happen if they "forgive" student loans in USA - and nobody seems to understand that
2020-03-17T14:40:15 < doomba> i.e. people on W2 incomes will never see a tax refund ever again if their student loans are forgiven
2020-03-17T14:40:52 < jadew> I don't understand tax refunds
2020-03-17T14:40:57 < jadew> you pay tax in advance?
2020-03-17T14:41:25 < doomba> yes
2020-03-17T14:41:28 < doomba> if you're self employed like me
2020-03-17T14:41:31 < doomba> it's even worse
2020-03-17T14:41:40 < doomba> i have to make "estimated tax payments" every time i get paid
2020-03-17T14:42:00 < doomba> and then at the end of the year, i have to come up with every dollar possible to write shit off if i want any of it back
2020-03-17T14:42:07 < doomba> but that doesn't apply to me because i'm so far behind
2020-03-17T14:42:24 < jadew> in here we just do that every 3 months
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2020-03-17T14:42:44 < jadew> we put all the invoices and bills together, and come up with what we owe the state
2020-03-17T14:42:46 < doomba> i decide how much i have to pay, and pay it, and then at the end of the year when i file, they IRS be like "thanks bro."
2020-03-17T14:42:47 < jadew> and pay that
2020-03-17T14:43:07 < doomba> that's how i got behind. i wasn't making the estimated payments
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2020-03-17T14:43:17 < doomba> then at the end of the year i'd see my tax bill for like $8000 or w/e
2020-03-17T14:43:21 < doomba> and be like "fuck this... not paying"
2020-03-17T14:43:46 < doomba> make $10000 for the year, owe $8000
2020-03-17T14:43:59 < jadew> sounds about right
2020-03-17T14:44:31 < doomba> coronavirus is helping
2020-03-17T14:45:11 < doomba> as long as i keep setting money aside to make the estimated payments, i'm good. even tho it doesn't actually pay down the debt
2020-03-17T14:45:17 < doomba> it keeps me from going to jail for tax evasion rofl
2020-03-17T14:45:39 < doomba> they be like "lol ur uncollectible but keep paying us arbitrary amounts! :)"
2020-03-17T14:45:50 < doomba> so i just keep paying into the void
2020-03-17T14:45:56 < doomba> and the penalties and interest keep going up
2020-03-17T14:46:16 < jadew> what's the taxation rate in the US?
2020-03-17T14:46:22 < doomba> really low compared to europe
2020-03-17T14:46:28 < jadew> in most of europe is usually above 50%
2020-03-17T14:46:35 < doomba> yea we're definitely below 50%
2020-03-17T14:46:52 < doomba> maybe close to 50% if you aggregate all the different taxes together though
2020-03-17T14:47:08 < doomba> for self-employed people at least
2020-03-17T14:47:33 < doomba> if you're self-employed, you have to write off EVERYTHING you can otherwise you get screwed
2020-03-17T14:47:44 < doomba> beacuse the tax code is set up to kind of usher people into W2 slave labor
2020-03-17T14:48:30 < jadew> in here, unless you're making more than 1 million euro/year, you're getting taxed on sales
2020-03-17T14:48:35 < jadew> and expenses don't matter
2020-03-17T14:48:53 < jadew> it's a stupid system
2020-03-17T14:49:05 < jadew> and the taxation rate is 62%
2020-03-17T14:49:07 < doomba> we have income tax, sales tax, school tax, property tax, water tax, air tax, walking tax, blinking tax, etc.
2020-03-17T14:49:18 < doomba> even gift tax
2020-03-17T14:49:24 < Steffanx> Doesnt sound there is a difference doomba
2020-03-17T14:49:27 < Steffanx> we have that all
2020-03-17T14:49:38 < Steffanx> we = dutchland
2020-03-17T14:49:48 < doomba> jadew: so you pay 62% tax
2020-03-17T14:49:48 < Steffanx> now we have COVID-19 tax.
2020-03-17T14:50:01 < specing> Steffanx: really?
2020-03-17T14:50:05 < Steffanx> lolno.
2020-03-17T14:50:07 < doomba> and then merkle ships in a bunch of brown people who get all the free shit and don't pay any tax because they're not citizens?
2020-03-17T14:50:11 < jadew> doomba, we pay only 43.7% direct tax
2020-03-17T14:50:21 < jadew> the rest is indirect in the form of VAT (19%)
2020-03-17T14:50:45 < jadew> "only"
2020-03-17T14:51:00 < Steffanx> There will be indirect COVID-19 tax for sure specing. Since someone has to pay for it all.
2020-03-17T14:51:11 < doomba> yea
2020-03-17T14:51:16 < doomba> COVID-19 tax for sure
2020-03-17T14:51:35 < Steffanx> Now they're going to help all (smaller) companies with money that magically appeared or something.
2020-03-17T14:51:37 < doomba> i think in the US, we'll see mandatory health insurance again
2020-03-17T14:51:46 < Steffanx> is that a bad thing doomba?
2020-03-17T14:51:52 < doomba> yes
2020-03-17T14:52:21 < doomba> it was a disaster
2020-03-17T14:52:21 < Steffanx> Yes, better go bankrupt when a random yankee shoots you in the foot.
2020-03-17T14:52:31 < doomba> that's exactly what happens here
2020-03-17T14:52:37 < jadew> Steffanx, looks like in NL, the tax rate is even higher than in romania
2020-03-17T14:52:42 < Steffanx> Yes, isnt it awesome. doomba :P
2020-03-17T14:52:48 < jadew> 51.7% + 21% VAT
2020-03-17T14:53:00 < jadew> that's fucking crazy...
2020-03-17T14:53:08 < jadew> you are slaves
2020-03-17T14:53:09 < Steffanx> You should look up the taxes on gas in dutchland jadew
2020-03-17T14:53:13 < doomba> and making millenials pay for boomers who get shot in the foot was a broken system
2020-03-17T14:53:16 < Steffanx> or diesel
2020-03-17T14:53:22 < jadew> so are we I guess
2020-03-17T14:53:38 < jadew> Steffanx, right, I think they're pretty high in here too, but I didn't check
2020-03-17T14:54:02 < doomba> boomers are sitting on all the wealth, and got their friends in gov and insurance industry to join together and create a mandatory health insurance thing
2020-03-17T14:54:05 < karlp> jadew off thinking that the numerical tax rate is the relevant thing to compare...
2020-03-17T14:54:12 < karlp> you keep doing this...
2020-03-17T14:54:28 < jadew> karlp, is it not?
2020-03-17T14:54:33 < karlp> how would it be?
2020-03-17T14:54:55 < karlp> all that matters is what your take home pay can buy you,
2020-03-17T14:54:59 < karlp> and what services the state provides..
2020-03-17T14:55:00 < Steffanx> jadew:  55% on diesel, 65% on gas 
2020-03-17T14:55:26 < karlp> whether you get paid 200 and take home 35 or paid 50 and take home 35 has ~zero bearinng on your quality off life, other than OMG massive tax rate!
2020-03-17T14:55:33 < jadew> karlp, are you sure the state is providing you with 70% of what you need?
2020-03-17T14:55:44 < karlp> it's not a 100% game.
2020-03-17T14:55:46 < doomba> oh ya i forgot that
2020-03-17T14:56:00 < doomba> ya'll euroz have high taxes but you live in civilized countries
2020-03-17T14:56:04 < jadew> karlp, it is, because of 100% of your money, you only get to spend 30%
2020-03-17T14:56:06 < doomba> with healthcare and shit like that
2020-03-17T14:56:09 < jadew> the rest is taken away from you
2020-03-17T14:56:13 < jadew> and wasted, mainly
2020-03-17T14:56:38 < karlp> jadew: it was never your money
2020-03-17T14:56:49 < doomba> if the USA had the tax rates you do, we'd be a combination of syria and venezuela
2020-03-17T14:56:50 < jadew> sure it was, you worked for it
2020-03-17T14:56:56 < jadew> if you didn't do the work, there would be 0 money
2020-03-17T14:57:05  * karlp sighs
2020-03-17T14:57:26 < jadew> the value that was created and then removed was entirely created by you
2020-03-17T14:58:39 < mawk> but you created that value because you were born and taught and so on thanks to the government
2020-03-17T14:58:42 < mawk> it's a difficult question
2020-03-17T14:58:56 < jadew> mawk, yes, while my parents were paying taxes
2020-03-17T14:59:03 < jadew> and being ripped off in the same way
2020-03-17T14:59:10 < jadew> they could have sent me to a better school, if that wasn't the case
2020-03-17T14:59:25 < jadew> and the state didn't give birth to me, nor raised me
2020-03-17T14:59:27 < doomba> how would they send you to a better school if said better school didn't exist because they didn't pay taxes for it?
2020-03-17T14:59:33 < jadew> it was again, my parents, with their own money
2020-03-17T14:59:45 < jadew> doomba, a private school
2020-03-17T14:59:55 < doomba> private schools are for the tax beneficiaries
2020-03-17T14:59:58 < doomba> not the tax payers
2020-03-17T15:00:06 < doomba> if you weren't born in that class, fuck you.
2020-03-17T15:00:09 < doomba> go to public school
2020-03-17T15:00:36 < jadew> my point is that you can't say "you got schooled by the state", when better alternatives exist for the same money
2020-03-17T15:00:38 < jadew> or LESS
2020-03-17T15:00:50 < doomba> lol not here
2020-03-17T15:00:59 < doomba> they check your elysium card
2020-03-17T15:01:12 < doomba> you have to be born on the checklist
2020-03-17T15:01:15 < jadew> because as it was proven time and time again, the state does everything worse, while costing twice as much
2020-03-17T15:02:03 < doomba> there's two different species
2020-03-17T15:02:12 < doomba> the tinfoilers like to call them the reptilians
2020-03-17T15:02:39 < doomba> they're the parasitic dumpster humans in all of the positions of privilege in the world
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2020-03-17T15:05:51 < jadew> I was wrong on those percentages
2020-03-17T15:05:59 < jadew> it's 20% VAT of the remaining percentage
2020-03-17T15:06:08 < jadew> so ~10% for most of us, from the total
2020-03-17T15:06:28 < jadew> that still takes NL in the 60% region
2020-03-17T15:06:46 < jadew> while romania lands is in the 50% region
2020-03-17T15:11:07 < jadew> https://raportuldegarda.ro/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/grafic-transmiterea-virusului-covid19-romania.png
2020-03-17T15:12:12 < jadew> snippet from the epidemiologic report
2020-03-17T15:14:36 < karlp> anyone got IPC-7351?
2020-03-17T15:50:02 < dongs> http://www.edatop.com/down/faq/pcb/pcb-hwrf-PCB-604.pdf some random chinese site seems to
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2020-03-17T16:00:29 < karlp> nice thanks, I'd only found IPC-SM-782A which is from 1999, the prredefcedssory, 
2020-03-17T16:00:36 < karlp> yours is much more up to date
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2020-03-17T16:35:29 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/I60Igzu.png
2020-03-17T16:35:48 < Steffanx> Do you trust in GOD?
2020-03-17T16:35:53 < bitmask> forgot to clean the quarter first but not bad for a few minutes and my first plating
2020-03-17T16:36:04 < bitmask> no i dont
2020-03-17T16:37:33 < Steffanx> Oh you plated it. i thought you cleaned the right one :P
2020-03-17T16:38:01 < bitmask> hah
2020-03-17T16:38:28 < bitmask> copper does tarnish quick, i was playing with it too much
2020-03-17T16:39:02 < bitmask> I should sell these as hand sanitizers for $10
2020-03-17T16:39:22 < bitmask> pennies are too small!
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2020-03-17T17:03:39 < qyx> "A collection of signals like PCA0, PCA1, PCA2, WRITE, READ cannot be contained in a bus"
2020-03-17T17:03:46 < qyx> so kicad busses are useless
2020-03-17T17:04:14 < qyx> I cannot make a bus with ethernet signals
2020-03-17T17:04:16 < karlp> correct..
2020-03-17T17:04:19 < karlp> they'rre pretty garbage.
2020-03-17T17:04:46 < qyx> meh
2020-03-17T17:04:59 < karlp> heirarchical sheets can avoid some of it...
2020-03-17T17:05:14 < karlp> but yeah, not very cool
2020-03-17T17:06:26 < tomeaton17> opensores
2020-03-17T17:07:08 < Steffanx> Isn't something like that what a harnass can be used for in Altidongs?
2020-03-17T17:07:25 < Steffanx> In other words. Kikad needs harnasses? :P
2020-03-17T17:08:28 < dongs> kikecad buses sound like Eagle buses
2020-03-17T17:08:32 < dongs> i think it had same kinda restruction
2020-03-17T17:08:38 < dongs> you could only put numbered shit in tehre
2020-03-17T17:08:44 < dongs> but its been a while since i last gave a shit
2020-03-17T17:10:28 < doomba> they oscillate?
2020-03-17T17:11:12 < qyx> doomba: eagle can have arbitrary names in the bus
2020-03-17T17:11:20 < qyx> no.
2020-03-17T17:11:22 < qyx> dongs: ^
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2020-03-17T17:27:06 < qyx> karlp: I was trying to do it hierarchical
2020-03-17T17:27:11 < qyx> but what for..
2020-03-17T17:27:30 < qyx> if I could make ethernet a single bus, USB the same, SD the same
2020-03-17T17:27:37 < qyx> then ok, it is reasonable and great
2020-03-17T17:27:56 < qyx> but if not there would be a mess of wires in the root sheet
2020-03-17T17:28:11 < qyx> eg. having sheet with front panel connectors, sheet with 5 port ethernet switch
2020-03-17T17:28:41 < qyx> and try to connect the two, thats 10 pairs + 10 LEDs
2020-03-17T17:32:40 < karlp> yeah, heirarchical only sort of helps some of it...
2020-03-17T17:33:18 < englishman> fuck opamps
2020-03-17T17:34:12 < tomeaton17> https://i.redd.it/pz89ztucobm41.jpg englishman
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2020-03-17T17:51:19 < Steffanx> Except that the guy does 1.5 -_-
2020-03-17T18:06:26 < englishman> he only counts to +-1
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2020-03-17T18:08:01 < PaulFertser> karlp: are you probably familiar with devices like this: https://www.wago.com/us/controllers-bus-couplers-i-o/controller-modbus/p/750-815_300-000 ? It uses 9600 8n1 and incompatible DE9 pinout. :)
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2020-03-17T18:21:03 < Steffanx> I can sell you a converter PaulFertser  
2020-03-17T18:22:06 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: from what to what?
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2020-03-17T18:31:27 < ColdKeyboard> Damn nucleo. I have an example firmware that works on Nucleo board. But when I load it on a custom board that has same pinout, everything except the SPI works.
2020-03-17T18:31:45 < ColdKeyboard> But it works fine on Nucleo
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2020-03-17T18:38:53 < englishman> time for the logic analuzer
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2020-03-17T18:41:48 < ColdKeyboard> SPI is not generating clock at all
2020-03-17T18:42:09 < ColdKeyboard> But if I change pins pull-up/pull-down I can see them sitting on 1/0
2020-03-17T18:42:38 < Steffanx> Incompatible pinout to compatible PaulFertser  
2020-03-17T18:42:42 < englishman> is it the same chip
2020-03-17T18:43:01 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: lol :)
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2020-03-17T18:52:09 < ColdKeyboard> Lol
2020-03-17T18:52:12 < ColdKeyboard> It's the same chip
2020-03-17T18:52:45 < emeryth> ColdKeyboard: check your crystal
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2020-03-17T19:00:52 < ColdKeyboard> Both are internal. And USART works, GPIOs work but SPI1 is not (STM32L476)
2020-03-17T19:11:25 < Thorn> is the mcu exactly the same?
2020-03-17T19:11:52 < Thorn> is soldering ok? try probing mcu pins directly
2020-03-17T19:13:47 < englishman> tax season is delayed
2020-03-17T19:13:50 < englishman> I love coronavirus
2020-03-17T19:14:20 < karlp> PaulFertser: for instance, yes, wago's a shitstorrm of software too, it _might_ be supported with the right software, but like someone else said, it's not "incompatible DB9" if they had their pinout before the "standard" 
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2020-03-17T19:16:05 < englishman> if you put the pinout in the user manual, you don't need a standard
2020-03-17T19:16:14 < englishman> that's how our rs485 products work
2020-03-17T19:16:15 < PaulFertser> karlp: you know B stands there for the shell size right, and it's a big one, 25 pins fit inside ;)
2020-03-17T19:16:37 < englishman> also fixed 9600 8n1
2020-03-17T19:17:48 < karlp> englishman: hehe :) that's ~largely what I've been trying to get across to paul :)
2020-03-17T19:18:03 < karlp> it doesn'ðt really matter what the "standards" say, they're just guidelines.
2020-03-17T19:18:37 < karlp> parity and pinout are at least "well behaved"
2020-03-17T19:19:10 < karlp> shitty devices are ones that ... respond to broadcasts, or respond with invalid errorr codes, or that sort of protocol violation
2020-03-17T19:19:30 < karlp> but even on pinout, it's like "doesn't work? swap a/b and try again"
2020-03-17T19:20:40 < englishman> what's the alternative to rs485 anyway
2020-03-17T19:20:45 < englishman> I mean, besides lora
2020-03-17T19:20:52 < karlp> can or knx I guess.
2020-03-17T19:21:03 < karlp> hrm, knx is wrorng layer isn't it?
2020-03-17T19:21:17 < karlp> mbus if you want to get into single vendor transceiver bullshit
2020-03-17T19:21:31 < karlp> but that's rs485, you dont' have to use modbus :)
2020-03-17T19:21:40 < karlp> you can decide to "fix it!" and make up a new version of it.
2020-03-17T19:21:47 < englishman> knx over rs485
2020-03-17T19:21:58 < karlp> bacnet runs over rs485, ms/tp.
2020-03-17T19:23:24 < englishman> hmm
2020-03-17T19:23:36 < englishman> I wonder if switching to can would be a good idea for us
2020-03-17T19:23:48 < englishman> we can't put many digital electronics in sensor heads due to noise
2020-03-17T19:24:11 < englishman> but that noise is mostly due to spi over a big cable rather than high freq sensor noise or thermals
2020-03-17T19:24:32 < englishman> high freq mcu noise*
2020-03-17T19:26:51 < Steffanx> does msp430 do CAN?
2020-03-17T19:27:23 < englishman> another good reason to switch to can
2020-03-17T19:27:29 < englishman> !!!
2020-03-17T19:29:16 < PaulFertser> englishman: why do you decide to not follow the modbus standard? And what's the deal with 9600, why not 19200, are your lines really that long?
2020-03-17T19:29:43 < qyx> can can!
2020-03-17T19:29:52 < englishman> probably a client demanded it
2020-03-17T19:30:15 < PaulFertser> karlp: I've seen a mass-produced device which used modbus over uart over CAN PHY!
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2020-03-17T19:48:08 < aandrew> modbus over CAN? jesus fucking christ
2020-03-17T19:50:40 < Thorn> uart signaling over can phy if I got it right
2020-03-17T19:51:30 < Thorn> -> no can frames
2020-03-17T19:52:48 < PaulFertser> Yes
2020-03-17T20:00:08 < PaulFertser> https://blog.zapb.de/stm32f1-exceptional-failure/ <- was this already mentioned? f1 read-out protection compromise
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2020-03-17T20:15:21 < englishman> cool, he posted it
2020-03-17T20:15:49 < englishman> I guess he managed to contact all the stm32 users to advise them of the vulnerability
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2020-03-17T20:17:36 < ColdKeyboard> So what are the reasons SPI would not work/clock? RCC has been started for SPI and GPIOs 
2020-03-17T20:18:11 < srk> can you debug?
2020-03-17T20:18:14 < srk> with gdb?
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2020-03-17T20:19:21 < ColdKeyboard> Uhmmm... I could but I'm really good with gdb :)
2020-03-17T20:19:32 < ColdKeyboard> Is there a GUI version or a tutorial for newbies to learn cli?
2020-03-17T20:19:48 < srk> yeah, tons of tutorials
2020-03-17T20:20:20 < srk> what you need is to be able to p (print) b (break) run, c (continue)
2020-03-17T20:20:27 < srk> Ctrl-C to stop execution
2020-03-17T20:20:39 < srk> load and commands to attach to your target
2020-03-17T20:24:52 < englishman> wait so STM32f1 has no rdp2?
2020-03-17T20:25:09 < englishman> and they just read out flash by moving vtor
2020-03-17T20:25:17 < englishman> and looking at the vector table
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2020-03-17T20:27:28 < englishman> lol the STM32f1 documentation page is broken as fuck
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2020-03-17T20:27:46 < englishman> programming and reference manuals are 404
2020-03-17T20:27:55 < englishman> hey ablomas
2020-03-17T20:28:41 < emeryth> now the question is does it work on gd32?
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2020-03-17T20:38:54 < PaulFertser> englishman: not all, just those using openocd master branch, soon: http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/5425/
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2020-03-17T20:42:29 < englishman> what's the false positive rate of the coronavirus test
2020-03-17T20:42:59 < Streaker> there isn't "a" Coronavirus test
2020-03-17T20:43:00 < englishman> what does that mean Paul, stm32f1 has no rdp2 if you are using openocd?
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2020-03-17T20:48:09 < PaulFertser> englishman: it just doesn't have it at all. But if you're using openocd you'll get a warning that the protection is broken (after the patch is merged).
2020-03-17T20:49:04 < Steffanx> No 404 here, englishman
2020-03-17T20:49:43 < Cracki> nice >In summary, the flash read-out protection of the STM32F1 does not block memory accesses via the ICode bus.
2020-03-17T20:54:56 < Cracki> hm well obviously, now that I think about it. this readout protection should disable debug interfaces entirely. that they're able to affect execution through official channels while it's "protected"...
2020-03-17T20:59:14 < kakimir> any idea how many terabytes a whole linux distribution is?
2020-03-17T20:59:27 < kakimir> if you download every package and every source package
2020-03-17T21:00:12 < PaulFertser> kakimir: https://www.debian.org/mirror/size
2020-03-17T21:00:27 < kakimir> ha
2020-03-17T21:00:28 < kakimir> doable
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2020-03-17T21:01:50 < kakimir> PaulFertser: you have local mirror?
2020-03-17T21:05:19 < PaulFertser> kakimir: no, never needed that
2020-03-17T21:06:12 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/coronaviruscare/status/1239986390227546113
2020-03-17T21:07:27 < PaulFertser> lol twitter "Hi, who are the people running this account please? Where are you getting information from? "
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2020-03-17T21:15:24 < kakimir> she doesn't know how twitter works
2020-03-17T21:15:52 < kakimir> 1) you use nickname
2020-03-17T21:16:07 < kakimir> 2) talk shit you cannot back up
2020-03-17T21:16:35 < kakimir> -> 100M followers
2020-03-17T21:17:40 < PaulFertser> The second comment there is from russian nick that translates as "Retweeting people with Down's | LGBT party"
2020-03-17T21:18:01 < Steffanx> but their bio says:
2020-03-17T21:18:02 < Steffanx> #COVID19 (#Coronavirus) Alerts, News & Info from reputed sources. Updates, Verified Facts on SARS-CoV2 #Pandemic Strategies & Cures. Only the truth, no rumours.
2020-03-17T21:18:04 < Steffanx> kakimir
2020-03-17T21:18:51 < kakimir> Sweden is in problems
2020-03-17T21:19:38 < jadew> with terrorism?
2020-03-17T21:19:59 < tomeaton17> Are you actually more likely to die if you smoke?
2020-03-17T21:20:06 < tomeaton17> from corona
2020-03-17T21:20:15 < jadew> yes
2020-03-17T21:20:28 < tomeaton17> oh thats not good
2020-03-17T21:21:20 < tomeaton17> need to quit then
2020-03-17T21:21:30 < Steffanx> too late
2020-03-17T21:21:49 < kakimir> tomeaton17: use some common sense man.. disease that destroys lungs and makes oxygen intake restricted. And you have already done that by yourself
2020-03-17T21:22:16 < kakimir> when you quit remember that stuff comming out of your lungs is not corona
2020-03-17T21:22:28 < jadew> well, you still have a chance of getting an advantage if you quit now
2020-03-17T21:22:35 < kakimir> a lot of slime starts to come up tomeaton17
2020-03-17T21:22:35 < tomeaton17> Well I'm not a 40 a day bloke I dont smoke everyday
2020-03-17T21:22:54 < kakimir> what kind of smoker doesn't smoke every day?
2020-03-17T21:22:57 < jadew> if you don't get ncov in a couple of months, you may benefit from some regeneration
2020-03-17T21:23:21 < tomeaton17> I used to smoke everyday but I have cut down now to a couple or none a day
2020-03-17T21:24:09 < kakimir> I have only couple days worth of snus
2020-03-17T21:24:14 < kakimir> shieet
2020-03-17T21:24:33 < PaulFertser> tomeaton17: https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202003.0078/v1 smokers have more ACE2 so SARS-CoV-2 has easier time attaching to cells.
2020-03-17T21:24:51 < kakimir> must break quarantine and drive to sweden
2020-03-17T21:24:52 < PaulFertser> quitting now won't help with that
2020-03-17T21:25:17 < tomeaton17> ok
2020-03-17T21:25:19 < kakimir> but in 2weeks or so you can already notice better oxygen intake
2020-03-17T21:25:29 < tomeaton17> might as well stop anyway
2020-03-17T21:26:25 < PaulFertser> Of course. Smoking tobacco is such an odd way to get no high and plenty of harm.
2020-03-17T21:26:48 < Steffanx> Better ask kakimir to get you some snus
2020-03-17T21:27:04 < kakimir> snus is excelent for stoping smoking
2020-03-17T21:27:11 < tomeaton17> when I am drinking is when I find it difficult
2020-03-17T21:27:21 < PaulFertser> No wonder :)
2020-03-17T21:27:24 < tomeaton17> I think snus is illegal in uk
2020-03-17T21:27:56 < tomeaton17> I am not going to become a neckbeard and vape
2020-03-17T21:28:23 < kakimir> that amount of nicotine blows you away and you don't even remember what a paper tube full of poison was all about
2020-03-17T21:29:15 < tomeaton17> I tried dokha once and that was too much for me
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2020-03-17T21:47:52 < PaulFertser> https://www.fox13news.com/news/salt-lake-city-police-ask-criminals-to-do-their-part-to-stop-coronavirus-spread "& thank you criminals in advance"
2020-03-17T21:49:58 < BrainDamage> best time to patent troll is during an epidemic apparently https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200316/14584244111/softbank-owned-patent-troll-using-monkey-selfie-law-firm-sues-to-block-covid-19-testing-using-theranos-patents.shtml
2020-03-17T21:55:35 < Steffanx> trollol
2020-03-17T21:58:23 < specing> they could send back some covid infected letters
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2020-03-17T22:05:45 < kakimir> delivering potent virus can be non-trivial
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2020-03-17T22:09:48 < Steffanx> not if you do it for us.. in person, kakimir
2020-03-17T22:10:24 < kakimir> delivering without host as delivery platform
2020-03-17T22:10:45 < BrainDamage> as I said the other day, super soaker full of chicken broth at skin temp
2020-03-17T22:10:51 < BrainDamage> just spray them in the face
2020-03-17T22:10:55 < BrainDamage> super effective
2020-03-17T22:11:04 < kakimir> why chicken broth?
2020-03-17T22:11:27 < BrainDamage> because agar agar would be too dense to be sprayed effectively
2020-03-17T22:11:37 < BrainDamage> it's the 2nd most common culture medium
2020-03-17T22:12:21 < kakimir> you should be working in virus lab
2020-03-17T22:14:49 < kakimir> "how can we get samples of this virus" BD: "no problem I just grow a virus culture in this chicken broth"
2020-03-17T22:15:32 < BrainDamage> a lab has requirements of sterility etc
2020-03-17T22:15:51 < BrainDamage> here you don't care if your sample gets contaminated by bacterias, etc
2020-03-17T22:20:59 < kakimir> you don't seem to have an idea how virus works
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2020-03-17T22:21:45 < BrainDamage> they need to infect cells to reproduce
2020-03-17T22:21:57 < BrainDamage> I know that
2020-03-17T22:22:11 < BrainDamage> and chicken broth doesn't have cells to reproduce on
2020-03-17T22:22:25 < BrainDamage> but it still has nutrients and suitable ph
2020-03-17T22:22:39 < BrainDamage> so it'll take long time for the virus to die
2020-03-17T22:22:57 < kakimir> virus doesn't need nutrients
2020-03-17T22:23:08 < kakimir> it doens't consume anything
2020-03-17T22:24:57 < kakimir>  only thing that it needs is medium that doesn't destroy it's shell
2020-03-17T22:25:11 < BrainDamage> you're right, I stand corrected
2020-03-17T22:25:53 < PaulFertser> Some bacteria can fight viruses with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRISPR
2020-03-17T22:26:13 < kakimir> it's non-living biological agent
2020-03-17T22:35:37 < kakimir> and some viruses can use bacteria as host
2020-03-17T22:36:07 < Laurenceb> when the lulz run out, its time to stop trolling: trollaware.co.uk
2020-03-17T22:36:23 < Steffanx> such 4040
2020-03-17T22:36:25 < Steffanx> -o
2020-03-17T22:36:27 < Steffanx> -0
2020-03-17T22:36:28 < Steffanx> damnit
2020-03-17T22:36:32 < Steffanx> typing is hard
2020-03-17T22:36:49 < Steffanx> And not even a 404 lol
2020-03-17T22:37:48 < Steffanx> Anyway, how are the local pubs Laurenceb
2020-03-17T22:37:52 < Steffanx> are they closed down yet?
2020-03-17T22:40:43 < kakimir> pubs stay open
2020-03-17T22:43:21 < Laurenceb> no freaking food
2020-03-17T22:43:26 < Laurenceb> wtf Boris
2020-03-17T22:43:59 < kakimir> that is the problem I talked about with sweden
2020-03-17T22:44:29 < kakimir> they are signaling to finnish gov that they have slight food problem
2020-03-17T22:45:59 < Cracki> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETKsNAyWAAQRE57.jpg:orig
2020-03-17T22:46:55 < kakimir> finland has own production of 80%
2020-03-17T22:46:58 < kakimir> sw 50%
2020-03-17T22:47:02 < kakimir> uk maybe less
2020-03-17T22:47:03 < kakimir> ?
2020-03-17T22:54:19 < kakimir> swe has massive ghetto problem
2020-03-17T22:54:52 < kakimir> massive social problems
2020-03-17T22:59:10 < karlp> ok, so I htink my path of "lets follow KLC, get footprints upstream" is a waste of time.
2020-03-17T22:59:28 < karlp> hoops getting more numerous and tighter, makes the value proprosition pretty fucking slim
2020-03-17T23:00:52 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI
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2020-03-17T23:02:55 < qyx> I started drawing a pcb
2020-03-17T23:03:00 < qyx> and suddenly I lost patience
2020-03-17T23:04:11 < qyx> I couldn't find a suitable 3 port ethernet switch without afncy features with 3 TP MDIs
2020-03-17T23:04:21 < qyx> ideally in less than 32 pins
2020-03-17T23:05:18 < karlp> not asking much are you?
2020-03-17T23:05:29 < karlp> who needs three port switches out side industrial field stuff?
2020-03-17T23:05:33 < karlp> ~no-one
2020-03-17T23:06:03 < qyx> thres plenty of such switches
2020-03-17T23:06:10 < qyx> but usually one port is MII/RMII
2020-03-17T23:06:55 < qyx> also fuk omega2, it doesn't have 50ohm terminating resistors
2020-03-17T23:07:12 < qyx> and qyx forgot to include them
2020-03-17T23:07:52 < fenugrec> has anyone used CANopenNode / CANfestival ?
2020-03-17T23:08:41 < srk> no but I wrote canopen implementation recently
2020-03-17T23:08:58 < qyx> oss?
2020-03-17T23:09:12 < srk> yes
2020-03-17T23:09:13 < fenugrec> srk, why did you homebrew, lack of features, bloat or licensing ?
2020-03-17T23:09:30 < srk> none :)
2020-03-17T23:09:32 < srk> https://github.com/distrap/ivory-tower-canopen
2020-03-17T23:09:52 < srk> https://github.com/distrap/cidl
2020-03-17T23:09:55 < fenugrec> you wanted your own wheel ? heh
2020-03-17T23:10:13 < srk> https://github.com/distrap/cidl/blob/master/src/Cidl/Monad.hs#L197
2020-03-17T23:10:33 < qyx> wat .hs
2020-03-17T23:10:34 < srk> yeah, my own square wheel :)
2020-03-17T23:11:13 < srk> https://github.com/distrap/can4disco
2020-03-17T23:11:14 < srk> related
2020-03-17T23:12:02 < srk> I can also run blackbox canopen node on posix using stdin/out "UART" as SLCAN
2020-03-17T23:13:09 < srk> needs bump to recent stack but works well so far
2020-03-17T23:14:01 < srk> fenugrec: it's mostly about using more expressive and safe language(s)
2020-03-17T23:14:05 < fenugrec> I've used https://github.com/CANopenNode/CANopenSocket for quick tests but need something on baremetal now
2020-03-17T23:14:56 < srk> what MCU?
2020-03-17T23:15:34 < fenugrec> f042
2020-03-17T23:15:49 < srk> huh, too small :)
2020-03-17T23:16:41 < tomeaton17> The 20 pin tssop f042 is really nice
2020-03-17T23:17:54 < fenugrec> I did consider the 20pin version, decided against it and really happy I did. Ran out of pins a few hours after changing to lqfp32
2020-03-17T23:18:05 < Thorn> qfn is even smaller
2020-03-17T23:18:15 < Thorn> who needs tssop
2020-03-17T23:19:47 < fenugrec> tssop made more sense for proto
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2020-03-17T23:26:29 < karlp> why does qyx want three twisted pair?!
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2020-03-17T23:27:02 < jadew> graphs from 20 days ago: http://5.12.44.107/stuff/ncov-day-35/
2020-03-17T23:27:14 < jadew> graphs now: http://5.12.44.107/stuff/ncov-day-55/
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2020-03-17T23:27:49 < Steffanx> See we're doing well.
2020-03-17T23:28:13 < jadew> in what way?
2020-03-17T23:28:58 < jadew> the death rate seems to beat the swine flu annual in the next couple of weeks
2020-03-17T23:29:24 < Steffanx> You need a better smooth line drawing algoritm instead of drawing individual lines
2020-03-17T23:29:33 < Thorn> cfr in Italy is almost 8%
2020-03-17T23:29:34 < jadew> not sure if that's the correct name
2020-03-17T23:29:35 < jadew> the number of deaths
2020-03-17T23:30:00 < jadew> Steffanx, why?
2020-03-17T23:31:19 < jadew> when I made those graphs 20 days ago, we weren't sure if the numbers were an artifact of how the chinese were reporting
2020-03-17T23:31:27 < qyx> karlp: two front-facing and one to the backplane, cap-coupled
2020-03-17T23:31:32 < jadew> now we know... it's worse than it looked at that point
2020-03-17T23:32:32 < karlp> qyx: that's super specialized :)
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2020-03-17T23:33:02 < karlp> can you get a three port hub?
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2020-03-17T23:33:24 < karlp> or a four part one that can be pinstrapped?
2020-03-17T23:33:29 < karlp> and just ignorre the rest of the pins?
2020-03-17T23:34:22 < qyx> yeah, I found a 4 port one, one rgmii + 3x 100base-tx mdi
2020-03-17T23:53:08 < Steffanx> Jadew why what?
2020-03-17T23:53:39 < BrainDamage> kakimir: found a solution to set the background on client side fyi
2020-03-17T23:54:29 < BrainDamage> edit .ssh/config , add a section called Host iporhostname, then under that section add RemoteCommand printf '\e[48;2;255;255;255m\e[K'
2020-03-17T23:54:42 < BrainDamage> replace 255 255 255 with whatever colour you want
2020-03-17T23:54:51 < BrainDamage> that'll set the bg colour
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2020-03-18T00:03:53 < doomba> https://i.imgflip.com/3sztli.jpg
2020-03-18T00:03:54 < karlp> ssh/config can do so much :)
2020-03-18T00:05:05 < karlp> UserKnownHostsFile /dev/null, HostName and ProxyJump are somee of my favourites...
2020-03-18T00:05:23 < karlp> StrictHostKeyCheckking no is good too
2020-03-18T00:05:56 < karlp> HostName is kinda just a wrapper for editing /etc/hosts, but it's user level, no root required
2020-03-18T00:08:29 < doomba> karlp: try diz one VisualHostKey yes
2020-03-18T00:09:04 < doomba> works great with UserKnownHostsFile /dev/null
2020-03-18T00:09:22 < Thorn> https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-expat-news/half-dutch-coronavirus-intensive-care-patients-are-under-50
2020-03-18T00:09:29 < doomba> so you can memorize the ascii art and know if the NSA be haqqin u
2020-03-18T00:10:25 < karlp> I use visualhostkey yes,
2020-03-18T00:10:52 < karlp> I actually use /dev/null for subnets where I am spinning up new machines all the time, often on the same ip, so I don't want the warnings.
2020-03-18T00:11:36 < karlp> jadew: awww, our game has been postponed to june
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2020-03-18T00:17:30 < BrainDamage> I just realized I can automatically export my command aliases to all hosts I ssh to
2020-03-18T00:17:44 < BrainDamage> rsync them to a temp dir then have the shell source it
2020-03-18T00:17:51 < karlp> yeah, RemoteCommand is pretty open...
2020-03-18T00:18:13 < karlp> then ssh -D, you can do anything!
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2020-03-18T00:53:17 < jly> good morning corona brothers
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2020-03-18T00:59:58 < machinehum> o_O
2020-03-18T01:02:16 < Steffanx> Is it still humming?
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2020-03-18T01:07:11 < jly> MICROPYTHON
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2020-03-18T02:31:23 < Laurenceb> this corona shit isnt funny any more 
2020-03-18T02:31:27 < Laurenceb> I need my tendies
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2020-03-18T02:31:50 < specing> your what
2020-03-18T02:32:09 < specing> my sides are viral
2020-03-18T02:32:59 < Laurenceb> lol
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2020-03-18T02:33:40 < Laurenceb> I dont give a shit about coronavirus
2020-03-18T02:33:47 < Laurenceb> I want something to eat ffs
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2020-03-18T02:34:04 < Laurenceb> everyone is going to starve soon at this rate
2020-03-18T02:34:24 < specing> Lol
2020-03-18T02:34:32 < specing> your sides are hungry???
2020-03-18T02:34:39 < specing> Poor laurencer, poor
2020-03-18T02:35:24 < Laurenceb> literally empty shelves in every supermarket
2020-03-18T02:35:47 < specing> Haha
2020-03-18T02:35:48 < Laurenceb> its chaos in britbongland
2020-03-18T02:35:57 < specing> eat BoJo, he's full of calories
2020-03-18T02:36:03 < Laurenceb> good plan
2020-03-18T02:39:28 < jly> Champion motorcycle racer Indiana Munoz has died after being run over by her own bike.
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2020-03-18T02:39:57 < jly> good morning Laurenceb 
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2020-03-18T02:41:10 < Laurenceb> lol
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2020-03-18T05:39:53 < c_j_b> Considering naming the local Balloon group 'Hunter Amateur Radio Ballooning' - aka HARBL. But I'd be in the shit if anyone found out it's an old 4chan joke..
2020-03-18T05:40:32 < c_j_b> (..but another guy made a heap of suggestions involving 'latex'..)
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2020-03-18T10:44:07 < mawk> Steffanx
2020-03-18T10:44:10 < mawk> Zet ... op ..., en zet bij Multicast/Broadcast, Broadcast Filtering op Disabled
2020-03-18T10:44:12 < mawk> does it sound dutch ?
2020-03-18T10:50:41 < Steffanx> sounds good mawk
2020-03-18T10:51:15 < Steffanx> except that i probably would not use use the comma.
2020-03-18T10:51:46 < Steffanx> its not wrong though
2020-03-18T10:52:17 < mawk> but then how do you distinguish multicast/broadcast from broadcast filtering
2020-03-18T10:52:35 < mawk> maybe: zet brodcast filtering op disabled bij multicast/broadcast ?
2020-03-18T10:55:15 < Steffanx> Sorry, i meant the , between "..., en" 
2020-03-18T10:55:42 < Steffanx> but it doesnt REALLY matter, dutch isnt too strict when it comes to commas i think.
2020-03-18T10:55:54 < Steffanx> Its mainly used for readability.
2020-03-18T10:56:05 < Steffanx> as in probably many languages
2020-03-18T11:05:02 < qyx> in .sk it is super strict
2020-03-18T11:05:26 < mawk> ah I see, thanks
2020-03-18T11:07:27 < Steffanx> mawk: https://taaladvies.net/taal/advies/vraag/467/komma_voor_en/
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2020-03-18T11:21:40 < Steffanx> Why are you doing documentation in dutch anyway, mawk?
2020-03-18T11:21:48 < Steffanx> The tool seems to be in english
2020-03-18T11:22:12 < Steffanx> its fucking annoying to have documentation in dutch for tools in english :P
2020-03-18T11:22:18 < mawk> it's documentation for dutch people
2020-03-18T11:22:20 < mawk> lol
2020-03-18T11:22:22 < mawk> yeah
2020-03-18T11:22:24 < mawk> but the rest is already in dutch
2020-03-18T11:22:28 < mawk> just adding some stuff
2020-03-18T11:22:31 < Steffanx> hm
2020-03-18T11:23:03 < Steffanx> At work we kinda (try to) write everything in english
2020-03-18T11:23:07 < jly> welcome
2020-03-18T11:23:28 < Steffanx> hellooooo
2020-03-18T11:23:34 < t4nk_freenode> it's basically silly; how are they going to be able to 'engineer' anything... if they can't even understand english I say.
2020-03-18T11:24:19 < Steffanx> Perhaps its not for engineers?
2020-03-18T11:24:22 < mawk> it's documentation for the assembly people
2020-03-18T11:24:32 < mawk> they don't speak as good english as in the R&D department
2020-03-18T11:24:46 < mawk> also they never understand me I think
2020-03-18T11:24:50 < mawk> with my sweet french accent
2020-03-18T11:25:00 < Steffanx> Yeah, we also did that in english before.. now we're moving to dutch because they failed to understand. Not sure why we even did it in english anyway.
2020-03-18T11:25:34 < Steffanx> One problem. Assembly people dont read.
2020-03-18T11:25:50 < t4nk_freenode> lol, mawk, don't tell me you're the stuttering stanley in the stm32 youtube video series ;)
2020-03-18T11:25:52 < Steffanx> Give them a PC and some tools they have to click around it and they wont read and just click around.
2020-03-18T11:26:11 < Steffanx> Better give them a PC with everything pre-configured and let them touch nothing.
2020-03-18T11:27:54 < mawk> lol
2020-03-18T11:27:56 < mawk> lol t4nk_freenode no
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2020-03-18T11:40:08 < Steffanx> how much do you google translate mawk?
2020-03-18T11:42:55 < karlp> bleh, tme.eu says as a personal account I can't ship to another country.
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2020-03-18T11:47:53 < Steffanx> Welcome tectu@home
2020-03-18T11:48:00 < mawk> for what Steffanx ? reading ?
2020-03-18T11:48:03 < mawk> I try not to
2020-03-18T11:48:12 < mawk> or only individual nouns or verbs, not whole phrases
2020-03-18T11:48:21 < Steffanx> To write the docs
2020-03-18T11:48:27 < mawk> a
2020-03-18T11:48:38 < mawk> no, I just look at the rest of the doc to see how to construct phrases lol
2020-03-18T11:49:05 < Steffanx> heh
2020-03-18T11:52:32 < jadew> so... seriously now, any ideas on where I can buy some yeast online?
2020-03-18T11:52:49 < jadew> (from the EU)
2020-03-18T11:52:49 < Steffanx> just go sleep in front of the local store
2020-03-18T11:53:20 < jadew> Steffanx, and have the next guy cough on my neck?
2020-03-18T11:53:34 < qyx> jadew: make your own?
2020-03-18T11:53:48 < qyx> but it takes ~2 weeks
2020-03-18T11:53:51 < jadew> qyx, it takes 10 days
2020-03-18T11:53:53 < jadew> yeah...
2020-03-18T11:54:18 < karlp> do you really not have yeast?
2020-03-18T11:54:24 < karlp> why do you need yeast _today_ ?
2020-03-18T11:54:28 < jadew> karlp, yeah...
2020-03-18T11:54:45 < jadew> because I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow and I don't want to fight for it either
2020-03-18T11:55:17 < jadew> since there's a country wide shortage, when it's going to hit the shelves, people are going to fight for it
2020-03-18T11:55:29 < jadew> and it will go out of stock in no time
2020-03-18T11:55:45 < jadew> especially since they now know it's an item that can go out of stock
2020-03-18T11:56:05 < karlp> are you planning on baking alllll your own bread? or are you just going full preppper and stockpiling yeast "in case" ?
2020-03-18T11:56:20 < karlp> have you got enough flour?
2020-03-18T11:56:23 < jadew> we were already baking our own bread
2020-03-18T11:56:26 < PaulFertser> Switch to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matzo , no yeast needed ;)
2020-03-18T11:56:38 < jadew> karlp, yeah, we have flour
2020-03-18T11:56:41 < karlp> got any sultanas/raisins?
2020-03-18T11:56:50 < karlp> tiem to grow yourself a starter.
2020-03-18T11:56:52 < jadew> we do, yeah
2020-03-18T11:57:07 < jadew> you can use those as a replacement?
2020-03-18T11:57:08 < karlp> you've definitely got enough wild beasties around you
2020-03-18T11:57:27 < karlp> not directly, but there's noramlyl enough wild yeasts on the skins to get a culture started
2020-03-18T11:57:31 < jadew> PaulFertser, thanks for that, I'll bookmark it
2020-03-18T11:57:39 < karlp> put them in some flour with some sugar and water
2020-03-18T11:57:59 < jadew> karlp, interesting
2020-03-18T11:58:06 < jadew> how do you know it's yeast what you are growing?
2020-03-18T11:58:16 < karlp> because it largely doesn't matter :)
2020-03-18T11:58:22 < jadew> heh
2020-03-18T11:58:46 < karlp> lacto, brett and cerevisis will all leaven dough
2020-03-18T11:58:53 < karlp> just different timing
2020-03-18T11:59:01 < karlp> and you're building a culture up, 
2020-03-18T11:59:03 < karlp> you'
2020-03-18T11:59:11 < karlp> ve been reading about sourrdough, not just ranting about lackk of yeast right?
2020-03-18T11:59:53 < jadew> karlp, yeah, I'm aware of that too, but it also takes a long time to prepare
2020-03-18T12:00:01 < jadew> and it's a rather complex process
2020-03-18T12:00:03 < karlp> like a few days.
2020-03-18T12:00:06 < karlp> and no, it's not rreally.
2020-03-18T12:00:13 < jadew> you've done it before?
2020-03-18T12:00:26 < karlp> it's complex if you're reading some artisanl hand fed portland communal sourdough
2020-03-18T12:00:28 < jadew> the thing I've read seemed to require a lot of steps over more than a week
2020-03-18T12:00:42 < karlp> a few days to a week.
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2020-03-18T12:03:27 < jadew> I guess that's the best option if I can't find yeast
2020-03-18T12:03:39 < jadew> it's not like we'll have anything else to do while locked in
2020-03-18T12:04:02 < jadew> well, I'll work, but my wife will need something to do on netflix breaks
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2020-03-18T12:05:06 < jadew> thanks for the tips
2020-03-18T12:05:26 < Steffanx> You made your own bread even before this jadew?
2020-03-18T12:05:33 < jadew> Steffanx, yeah
2020-03-18T12:05:50 < Steffanx> Just used a bread making machine or .. ?
2020-03-18T12:05:55 < jadew> both ways
2020-03-18T12:06:00 < Steffanx> such time consuming
2020-03-18T12:06:13 < Steffanx> You will have no time to make this picologger clone :P
2020-03-18T12:06:36 < jpa-> jadew: if you have any yeast at all, you can get that to multiply quite easily
2020-03-18T12:06:51 < jadew> yeah, but I like this type of bread better, and I couldn't get used to the idea that people at the bakery were touching my bread with their bare hands
2020-03-18T12:07:02 < jpa-> Steffanx: we use bread machine daily also
2020-03-18T12:07:03 < jadew> Steffanx, hehe
2020-03-18T12:07:30 < jadew> jpa-, I wasn't aware that it was an option
2020-03-18T12:07:36 < jadew> I'll have to read on it
2020-03-18T12:07:40 < Steffanx> Have a good reason for that jpa-? Or do you just like the smell of fresh baken bread in the morning?
2020-03-18T12:08:09 < jadew> Steffanx, for one, you know how it's made
2020-03-18T12:08:13 < jadew> and who touched it
2020-03-18T12:09:26 < Steffanx> i dont care about the latter AT ALL.
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2020-03-18T12:11:01 < jpa-> Steffanx: it saves some money and makes it easier to control the amount of bread, i.e. avoid any going stale or running out
2020-03-18T12:11:08 < Steffanx> How bad is your germaphobia jpa-?
2020-03-18T12:11:10 < Steffanx> i mean jadew
2020-03-18T12:11:11 < Steffanx> lol
2020-03-18T12:12:06 < jly> hmm
2020-03-18T12:12:23 < jpa-> there is a classic finnish lifehack: if you have dirt under your nails, knead a bread dough and they'll get clean
2020-03-18T12:12:58 < Steffanx> hah
2020-03-18T12:13:01 < Steffanx> i like that one
2020-03-18T12:13:23 < BrainDamage> if you use a bread machine it makes sense because you waste less time setting it up than going buying fresh bread
2020-03-18T12:14:54 < jpa-> also handy for making pizza, pita breads etc.
2020-03-18T12:16:21 < PaulFertser> I had a bread machine and it worked nicely for a year or two, and then started to hang in the middle of a process sometimes. It got annoying enough and I started messing with it, adding caps, trying to power the control board from external source etc. First result is that it started kneading at the same time as heating which was apparently not appropriate. And then I made the final mistake and
2020-03-18T12:16:27 < PaulFertser> mismatched polarity powering the board.
2020-03-18T12:18:29 < Steffanx> Smoked bread could be nice.
2020-03-18T12:18:36 < karlp> jadew: how did you think sourdough cultures were grown?  it's just "sour" because it normalyl has lacto in the mix, 
2020-03-18T12:18:45 < karlp> but the concept of just feeding some yeast is identical.
2020-03-18T12:19:49 < jadew> Steffanx, weirdly enough, my germaphobia is much better now, because people are starting to be more hygienic
2020-03-18T12:20:05 < jadew> my behaviour hasn't changed, I was already in pandemic mode
2020-03-18T12:20:29 < jadew> karlp, never really thought about it, but yeah, it makes sense
2020-03-18T12:20:58 < Steffanx> You ever cared about who touched your bread before all this jadew?
2020-03-18T12:21:21 < jadew> Steffanx, it's why we started baking our own bread
2020-03-18T12:21:34 < Steffanx> You just forced your wife to do it uh? :P
2020-03-18T12:21:46 < jadew> haha
2020-03-18T12:21:49 < jadew> no, we got a machine
2020-03-18T12:22:13 < BrainDamage> also how people managed to find and cultivate yeast in the first place
2020-03-18T12:22:18 < BrainDamage> just make a sordough starter and put on your window for few days
2020-03-18T12:22:22 < jadew> I've thrown away lots of bread loafs because at the moment of purchasing them, they were touched wrong
2020-03-18T12:22:31 < Steffanx> HAHA.
2020-03-18T12:22:34  * karlp laughs
2020-03-18T12:22:56 < BrainDamage> bonus point they will taste unique because the yeast tends to be geographically specific on the climate
2020-03-18T12:23:00 < jpa-> how do people sell bread there? around here they are in plastic bags in stores
2020-03-18T12:23:10 < jpa-> pretty much no-one goes to bakery to buy bread
2020-03-18T12:23:21 < Steffanx> Now I'm at work i can at least laugh out loud without people wondering why i laugh :D
2020-03-18T12:23:36 < jpa-> and even in bakeries, they use either gloves or utensils to put the bread into bag
2020-03-18T12:23:39 < jadew> jpa-, I don't like the plastic wrapped ones... they taste different
2020-03-18T12:23:44 < Steffanx> I sometimes go to the bakery to buy uncut bread.
2020-03-18T12:24:01 < jadew> the ones in bakeries are great, but they get handled without gloves sometimes
2020-03-18T12:24:06 < Steffanx> *sliced
2020-03-18T12:24:21 < Steffanx> Yes, the germs will kill you.
2020-03-18T12:25:00 < jadew> Steffanx, I'd think that doesn't have to be stated anymore :)
2020-03-18T12:25:04 < Steffanx> I still have to go back to finland to get the bread i bought once there.. It was yellowish and the most awful bread i ever had.
2020-03-18T12:25:36 < jadew> lol
2020-03-18T12:25:50 < jadew> might have had egg in it
2020-03-18T12:26:08 < BrainDamage> germans have brean with cheese baked in
2020-03-18T12:26:09 < karlp> maybe they didn't scream at it properly while it was leavening
2020-03-18T12:26:18 < karlp> not just the germans!
2020-03-18T12:26:28 < Steffanx> no egg. it had red pieces in it iig
2020-03-18T12:26:39 < Steffanx> might have been paprika
2020-03-18T12:26:47  * karlp had some bread with beetroot in it recently, was better than expected
2020-03-18T12:26:50 < karlp> but it was more pink than red
2020-03-18T12:26:52 < Steffanx> it was normal bread at all, but .. yeah you are in finland, dont speak finnish and buy something that looks at bread.
2020-03-18T12:27:00 < Steffanx> *wasnt
2020-03-18T12:27:05 < jadew> Steffanx, or some sort of peppers
2020-03-18T12:27:13 < Steffanx> yeah, it was weird and tasted awful
2020-03-18T12:27:15 < jadew> we make bread with olives a lot
2020-03-18T12:27:16 < Steffanx> i still blame jadew
2020-03-18T12:27:34 < Steffanx> or jpa- because he is to blame.
2020-03-18T12:28:01 < jadew> oh, onions are also a thing in bread
2020-03-18T12:28:09 < Steffanx> Something changed in my irc client. it no longer autocompletes nicks in the order it did before, heh.
2020-03-18T12:28:09 < jadew> and potatoes
2020-03-18T12:28:50 < BrainDamage> bread with olive oil in it is excellent
2020-03-18T12:29:21 < jadew> we make pizza dough with olive oil, didn't try bread
2020-03-18T12:31:31 < jpa-> Steffanx: maybe it was carrot bread? it sometimes get a horrible taste if it spoils
2020-03-18T12:31:48 < Steffanx> unlikely.
2020-03-18T12:32:27 < Steffanx> Once i will go back to finland just to find out what it was.
2020-03-18T12:32:41 < jpa-> you're always welcome :)
2020-03-18T12:33:18 < jpa-> if you come during the next few years we'll put you outside in a tent however and only look from the window when you eat the bread, to avoid your coronavirus
2020-03-18T12:33:57 < Steffanx> Awesome
2020-03-18T12:34:03 < Steffanx> Do you have good wifi?
2020-03-18T12:35:56 < jpa-> mediocre
2020-03-18T12:37:11 < englishman> bread is just empty starchy calories tho
2020-03-18T12:37:16 < englishman> makes you ameri-fay
2020-03-18T12:37:20 < englishman> ameri-fat
2020-03-18T12:37:34 < Steffanx> Waffles with maple syrup is what you need?
2020-03-18T12:37:39 < Steffanx> pancakes or whatever you called em
2020-03-18T12:37:45 < englishman> certainly not daily
2020-03-18T12:38:07 < englishman> we used to make bread all the time now we make yogurt
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2020-03-18T12:39:26 < karlp> fucking empty calorie bullshit, I thought you were better than that englishman 
2020-03-18T12:39:35 < Steffanx> lol the rage
2020-03-18T12:39:44 < englishman> lol
2020-03-18T12:40:01 < englishman> there's a few vitamins or whatever but it's mostly starch
2020-03-18T12:40:05 < englishman> like beer
2020-03-18T12:40:52 < Steffanx> alcohol-free beer.
2020-03-18T12:42:46 < jpa-> englishman: were you eating so much bread that you managed to get vitamin deficiency in modern age?
2020-03-18T12:43:11 < jpa-> it's not like every food item you eat has to have every vitamin, that's why you eat more than one thing
2020-03-18T12:43:33 < englishman> no just switched to better food
2020-03-18T12:43:57 < Steffanx> what is that food?
2020-03-18T12:44:17 < karlp> the calories are still calories, no calories at all in vitamins,
2020-03-18T12:44:50 < englishman> fruits vegetables nuts, meats and some extra fats from dairy
2020-03-18T12:45:28 < jpa-> but on the other hand if your problem was too much energy intake, then yeah, of course it makes sense not to eat stuff that contains lot of energy like bread
2020-03-18T12:45:49 < englishman> increasing the % of fat and protein content of total calories
2020-03-18T12:46:12 < jpa-> and yeah, of course one should eat fruits, vegatables, nuts etc., but that doesn't preclude eating bread also
2020-03-18T12:46:33 < BrainDamage> bread is good for structural reasons
2020-03-18T12:46:43 < BrainDamage> you soak up condiments, etc
2020-03-18T12:46:45 < englishman> no, but when we are bread it was mostly bread. it gets you full so fast most of your calories end up coming from the carbs
2020-03-18T12:48:27 < qyx> are you fruitarian?
2020-03-18T12:51:38 < englishman> no that's silly
2020-03-18T12:52:39 < Steffanx> Nuts?
2020-03-18T12:53:00 < Steffanx> Wasn't your great example all into nuts?
2020-03-18T12:53:15 < Steffanx> aka Mr. Jobs.
2020-03-18T12:57:19 < englishman> me irl https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x3xueXaG2rI
2020-03-18T12:59:54 < englishman> our goji plants have germinated
2020-03-18T13:02:22 < sync> oh god
2020-03-18T13:05:25 < Steffanx> You mean that jesus guy around ~0:15 englishman?
2020-03-18T13:06:53 < Thorn> T - 1 h or 4 h https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4sMhHbHYXM
2020-03-18T13:09:28 < jpa-> englishman: funny, i eat 2-4 slices of bread every day and still manage to eat a bunch of fruits etc. in addition to normal meals
2020-03-18T13:10:06 < englishman> too much bread for me
2020-03-18T13:10:23 < englishman> no wonder you make your own!
2020-03-18T13:15:24 < qyx> is this legit https://i.imgur.com/Wf0JFnt.png
2020-03-18T13:16:33 < Steffanx> 2-4 slices much?
2020-03-18T13:16:44 < Steffanx> my slices are like .. 1cm?
2020-03-18T13:19:23 < englishman> eating toast for breakfast
2020-03-18T13:19:35 < englishman> with some chicken pâte wifeishman made
2020-03-18T13:20:01 < Steffanx> Will you be alright?
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2020-03-18T13:22:31 < qyx> are your chicken bird flu tested?
2020-03-18T13:24:42 < t4nk_freenode> don't you guys ever get tired of this useless fear-mongering?
2020-03-18T13:24:57 < srk> yes
2020-03-18T13:25:02 < Steffanx> No?
2020-03-18T13:25:43 < englishman> I can feel the gluten slowing down my heart already
2020-03-18T13:25:48 < Cracki> we're all gonna die YAY
2020-03-18T13:25:50 < Cracki> better?
2020-03-18T13:26:09 < Cracki> this thing will re-pyramid the population buttplug
2020-03-18T13:26:12 < Steffanx> Yes, one day we will all die.
2020-03-18T13:27:10 < Steffanx> So how's your day t4nk_freenode
2020-03-18T13:28:44 < englishman> Thorn: https://streamable.com/qnueh
2020-03-18T13:29:23 < Steffanx> Does that "freenode" in your nick imply you are on other networks as well t4nk_freenode?
2020-03-18T13:30:28 < t4nk_freenode> in a distant past I was, Steffanx ... not anymore, but I guess I was in a fearm-mongering state when I registered ;) now I'm stuck with it
2020-03-18T13:30:47 < Steffanx> i bet it was efnet
2020-03-18T13:30:52 < t4nk_freenode> nope
2020-03-18T13:30:54 < t4nk_freenode> ircnet
2020-03-18T13:32:59 < t4nk_freenode> but my day has been 'fine', got some groceries and stuff, gonna go get some more in a bit
2020-03-18T13:33:34 < t4nk_freenode> then look for a quiet evening
2020-03-18T13:34:09 < t4nk_freenode> maybe play a bit with the stm32f407vet6 board I got a few days ago.. my first stm
2020-03-18T13:36:35 < t4nk_freenode> though I was under the impression that this chip had a high-speed phy onboard.. but it hasn't :|
2020-03-18T13:36:51 < t4nk_freenode> usb that is
2020-03-18T13:36:59 < Steffanx> Didnt get a milkyway?
2020-03-18T13:37:45 < t4nk_freenode> no, they were on the streets, mobs fighting over the last milkyway
2020-03-18T13:38:38 < Steffanx> What uncivilized country are you in?
2020-03-18T13:39:00 < t4nk_freenode> same as yours I fear ;)
2020-03-18T13:39:08 < t4nk_freenode> if you're dutch
2020-03-18T13:39:47 < Steffanx> OOHNO.
2020-03-18T13:39:56 < t4nk_freenode> yup, we're doomed!
2020-03-18T13:40:01 < t4nk_freenode> dooooooooomed I say!
2020-03-18T13:40:16 < Steffanx> Soon we have more (wannabee) dutch in here than finnishers.
2020-03-18T13:40:59 < t4nk_freenode> make up your mind... will we all die, or will we all become wannabee dutch?
2020-03-18T13:41:25 < Steffanx> in the end we'll die. for sure.
2020-03-18T13:41:44 < Steffanx> We'll never know if the finnishers die. No one will find them.
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2020-03-18T14:14:14 < Cracki> t-2:30 mins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4sMhHbHYXM
2020-03-18T14:14:40 < Cracki> *2 min 30
2020-03-18T14:15:33 < englishman> Boeing has already told the government it cannot meet its liquidity needs under current market conditions and may cease operations.
2020-03-18T14:21:02 < Thorn> American military industrial complex is crumbling under an attack by the tiniest of enemies, wreaking havoc on aggressive imperialist plans of Uncle Sam and his vassals worldwide
2020-03-18T14:24:26 < Cracki> ooh first state rotated weirdly there
2020-03-18T14:24:45 < karlp> englishman: banks here are giddy with glee.  THey've been clamouring to have liquditiy requirrements relaxed to "more normal" levels after the GFC, and they've been relaxed today,
2020-03-18T14:24:58 < karlp> and on top of that, state is promising to back loans to tourism industry
2020-03-18T14:25:19 < karlp> banks are going to hand out cash left right and center and take all the profit, absolved of all risk
2020-03-18T14:25:29 < englishman> I thought you murdered all the bankers
2020-03-18T14:25:32 < karlp> hah
2020-03-18T14:25:44 < karlp> we did very little really, despite social media claiming otherwise
2020-03-18T14:26:05 < karlp> a few of the more egrarious crimes were punished, most nothing really..
2020-03-18T14:26:27 < karlp> we then even opened up a "foreign investment incentive" plan that basically let them all bring their offshort stashes back in at a big discount
2020-03-18T14:26:29 < karlp> but htat's old new
2020-03-18T14:26:31 < karlp> old news
2020-03-18T14:26:47 < englishman> nice
2020-03-18T14:26:48 < Thorn> 1st stage is kaputt
2020-03-18T14:26:54 < englishman> it's just the typical corruption here
2020-03-18T14:27:21 < englishman> like the finance minister forgetting to declare he has a villa in the Riviera when declaring foreign assets
2020-03-18T14:27:57 < Cracki> sad. it would have been the first one to complete five flights.
2020-03-18T14:31:14 < qyx> oh deploy ahead?
2020-03-18T14:31:22 < jadew> and they didn't show the crash
2020-03-18T14:33:36 < doomba> "My wife asked me one day why I carry a firearm in the house. I said, 'Decepticons'. She laughed. I laughed. The toaster laughed. I shot the toaster."
2020-03-18T14:33:42 < Cracki> they deployed yes
2020-03-18T14:34:20 < Cracki> first stage wobbled once that I saw. I guess they got worried and decided to stalin it into the sea
2020-03-18T14:34:49 < Cracki> when seconds count and all that
2020-03-18T14:35:08 < jadew> and they cut the feed
2020-03-18T14:35:24 < Cracki> some normie tried sharing his outlook calendars with me. I don't care to set up outlook. wat do
2020-03-18T14:35:49 < jadew> thunderbird might have an extension to handle them
2020-03-18T14:36:19 < Cracki> to stalin, v., how they threw a collapsing hillary clinton into a black van like a piece of meat
2020-03-18T14:36:48 < Cracki> with all the secret police blocking the view while she gets throttled
2020-03-18T14:37:12 < jadew> are you talking about the last elections?
2020-03-18T14:37:13 < Cracki> ugh thunderbird. I might see if I have outlook online in some way.
2020-03-18T14:37:19 < Cracki> nah
2020-03-18T14:37:31 < Cracki> you know, stalin had all his enemies and friends erased from pictures and so on
2020-03-18T14:37:49 < Cracki> you act up, you become inconvenient, they erase you from view and kill you off quietly
2020-03-18T14:37:51 < jadew> didn't know that lol
2020-03-18T14:38:03 < Cracki> google stalin erased photos
2020-03-18T14:38:17 < Cracki> these soviets got really good with a paint brush
2020-03-18T14:38:38 < Cracki> soviet photos sometimes have BLATANT gaps where you just know a person stood there
2020-03-18T14:38:49 < Cracki> "memory holed"
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2020-03-18T14:45:43 < kakigate> in late 80's local bank did a stunt
2020-03-18T14:46:20 < aandrew> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETW0m-JUUAECghI?format=jpg&name=medium
2020-03-18T14:46:29 < kakigate> they loaded wheelbarrow full of money
2020-03-18T14:47:37 < Cracki> omg it's exchange even, not just outlook
2020-03-18T14:48:25 < kakigate> bank manager went outside with the wheelbarrow and advertised that there was money for loan
2020-03-18T14:49:06 < kakigate> it was crazy time back then
2020-03-18T14:51:32 < kakigate> you could get loan for anything and pretty much how much you ever wanted
2020-03-18T14:52:21 < Cracki> loans are just an invitation to become a slave
2020-03-18T14:52:36 < Cracki> if there's just a slight chance that you can't pay it back, you're a slave
2020-03-18T14:52:55 < Cracki> the money trump promises right now, is likely just loans
2020-03-18T14:52:58 < kakigate> in finland there is no personal bankrupcy
2020-03-18T14:53:24 < Cracki> and if this situation isn't over really soon, lots small businesses are dead anyway, except with more debt
2020-03-18T14:55:28 < invzim_> the very foundation of our economic system is continuous growth, either by accident or design depending on how you want to look at it
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2020-03-18T14:56:38 < Cracki> that's bait.
2020-03-18T14:56:49 < Cracki> if it's based on growth or not, doesn't matter
2020-03-18T14:57:11 < Cracki> what matters is whether it can be maintained in a steady state
2020-03-18T14:57:46 < Cracki> ultimately we depend on input anyway, which is power and raw materials
2020-03-18T15:08:04 < jadew> I agree about loans
2020-03-18T15:08:18 < jadew> and don't know what to think about personal bankruptcy
2020-03-18T15:08:42 < jadew> someone has to pay and I'm tempted to say the banks, but the individual is as much as fault as the bank
2020-03-18T15:09:03 < jadew> one is greedy, the other one is greedy and stupid
2020-03-18T15:10:39 < Steffanx> No personal backrupcy means you are in debt forever kakigate?
2020-03-18T15:10:52 < kakigate> yes
2020-03-18T15:12:08 < mawk> is the debt inheritable ?
2020-03-18T15:12:10 < mawk> like in Japan
2020-03-18T15:12:19 < mawk> they take 80 years loans that grandchildren keep paying
2020-03-18T15:12:25 < jadew> lol
2020-03-18T15:12:52 < kakigate> no :p
2020-03-18T15:13:02 < kakigate> jp next level
2020-03-18T15:16:53 < kakigate> no wonder they have the most debt
2020-03-18T15:17:24 < englishman> whats out there for decent small SoMs, smaller than cm3 or Jetson nano
2020-03-18T15:17:37 < englishman> and besides imx8 that I already know of
2020-03-18T15:18:11 < englishman> and more powerful than stm32mp1
2020-03-18T15:18:29 < karlp> Cracki: evolution happily works with shared calendars from outlook,
2020-03-18T15:18:40 < karlp> Cracki: or just use outlook web.
2020-03-18T15:19:07 < englishman> you're still on ignore
2020-03-18T15:20:14 < karlp> ah well. his loss then :)
2020-03-18T15:20:43 < karlp> englishman: looked through gumsticks and toradex's catalog?
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2020-03-18T15:21:21 < englishman> toradex yes
2020-03-18T15:21:22 < karlp> https://www.acmesystems.it/ is mostly going to be a bit low powered for you I guess.
2020-03-18T15:21:30 < englishman> gumstix is still around??!?
2020-03-18T15:21:31 < karlp> then it's cowboy allwinner stylee
2020-03-18T15:22:19 < englishman> oh yeah re allwhiner it has to be buyable for 10 years. so pretty much rules out cheap and awesome chinese stuff
2020-03-18T15:23:56 < Laurenceb> still no food
2020-03-18T15:23:57 < Laurenceb> wtf
2020-03-18T15:26:56 < karlp> englishman: olimex I think said that allwinner have said (yay, chinese whispers) that they can rebuild anything if the orders are sufficient.
2020-03-18T15:27:16 < karlp> but if you're doing classic industrial, "I only want to buy 10, but I want to buy 10 pear year for 10 years" then yeah, you're fucked
2020-03-18T15:27:36 < karlp> but if you'rre not in a volume for that, imx8 nano shit I guess?
2020-03-18T15:28:01 < karlp> SAMa5a and stm32mp1 are both way less capable, but no-one else is doign it?
2020-03-18T15:29:43 < englishman> imx8 looks p good tbh
2020-03-18T15:30:06 < englishman> and my experience with imx6 was not bad
2020-03-18T15:31:13 < karlp> imx6 still available too :)
2020-03-18T15:31:31 < englishman> yeah w are using it in a new product.
2020-03-18T15:43:50 < Steffanx> awh karlp. No Eurovision song contest this year.
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2020-03-18T15:51:34 < mawk> good thing
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2020-03-18T15:55:00 < karlp> was just saying to people earlier today that they were in denial to have not cancelled it yet :)
2020-03-18T15:55:05 < PaulFertser> englishman: https://octavosystems.com/octavo_products/osd32mp15x/ pretty small, industrial, upstream Linux support in the works
2020-03-18T15:55:15 < karlp> he asked for more powerful than mp1 though :)
2020-03-18T15:56:21 < PaulFertser> They have AM335x too
2020-03-18T15:57:09 < PaulFertser> But probably MP1 isn't too weak for the task and worth considering, you can never be sure.
2020-03-18T15:58:18 < karlp> hows mp1 compare to sama5d rerally?
2020-03-18T15:59:20 < englishman> none of these smaller ones have mipi-csi
2020-03-18T15:59:28 < englishman> it's not a killer but seems weird
2020-03-18T16:00:44 < karlp> is that for hmi display or is that for camera in shits?
2020-03-18T16:00:54 < englishman> camera in
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2020-03-18T16:27:12 < Cracki> https://youtu.be/h9iJaN4HKG8?t=43
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2020-03-18T17:45:39 < Laurenceb> no tendies
2020-03-18T17:45:41 < Laurenceb> reee
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2020-03-18T18:01:23 < Steffanx> Eat some bread instead Laurenceb
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2020-03-18T18:04:25 < doomba> real NEET moms have a chest freezer full of tendies
2020-03-18T18:06:44 < doomba> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADvJ8p8yY-c
2020-03-18T18:07:14 < Steffanx> doomba is that funny or not?
2020-03-18T18:07:44 < Laurenceb> Steffanx: no bread anywhere in britbongland since the weekend
2020-03-18T18:08:16 < Steffanx> Who took it.
2020-03-18T18:08:58 < Laurenceb> dunno its weird
2020-03-18T18:09:13 < Laurenceb> apparently everyone went mad when Boris did his press conference
2020-03-18T18:09:26 < Laurenceb> 50% of all supermarket stock gone in ~2 hours
2020-03-18T18:09:35 < Laurenceb> I was late to the party
2020-03-18T18:09:49 < Laurenceb> down to <10% of stock round here atm
2020-03-18T18:10:07 < Laurenceb> just non edible stuff and wine etc
2020-03-18T18:10:49 < Laurenceb> shows if there is a war everyone would just starve
2020-03-18T18:11:02 < Laurenceb> all our food can be gone in hours
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2020-03-18T18:26:57 < englishman> brexit @ work
2020-03-18T18:27:20 < englishman> do you make anything in England besides horrible cheese?
2020-03-18T18:27:35 < englishman> Wensleydale or whatever
2020-03-18T18:27:51 < englishman> can you eat that for the rest of your life?
2020-03-18T18:28:04 < mawk> no good food ever came out of any english kitchen
2020-03-18T18:28:21 < doomba> yea that's what happens when you don't listen to tinfoilers
2020-03-18T18:28:24 < englishman> what about chips n beans
2020-03-18T18:28:32 < mawk> dunno about that
2020-03-18T18:28:33 < doomba> i was telling ya'll to buy non-perishables 3-4 weeks ago
2020-03-18T18:28:36 < englishman> beans and potatoes imported
2020-03-18T18:28:40 < doomba> and you were like "doomba is an idiot"
2020-03-18T18:28:46 < doomba> now your stores are empty and you're like "durrrrr..."
2020-03-18T18:28:46 < englishman> still true
2020-03-18T18:28:50 < mawk> NL is still in great shape
2020-03-18T18:28:51 < mawk> stores aren't empty
2020-03-18T18:28:54 < englishman> my store is fine
2020-03-18T18:28:58 < englishman> there's less Doritos
2020-03-18T18:29:13 < englishman> also I have 2 years of food anyway
2020-03-18T18:29:13 < mawk> for me only pasta and toilet paper is gone
2020-03-18T18:29:17 < mawk> the rest is here
2020-03-18T18:29:20 < doomba> stores here are completely cleared out except for anti-greta food
2020-03-18T18:29:33 < doomba> which is weird. i donno why they are so afraid of beef.
2020-03-18T18:29:41 < englishman> maybe their supply chains are shit
2020-03-18T18:29:46 < doomba> their black rectangles must have told them beef is climate change
2020-03-18T18:39:55 < Steffanx> What you guy dont like black pudding?
2020-03-18T18:40:08 < Steffanx> For breakfast 
2020-03-18T18:42:36 < englishman> https://i.redd.it/bz1a7k7kbcn41.png
2020-03-18T18:46:08  * karlp grins
2020-03-18T18:47:48 < Laurenceb> I realised babbyshake was like Trump
2020-03-18T18:47:57 < Laurenceb> >big beautiful G.U.I.
2020-03-18T18:48:04 < Laurenceb> >the government will pay
2020-03-18T18:48:32 < Laurenceb> >its going to have bluetooth, I don't know what bluetooth is, but I know it will be amazing
2020-03-18T18:50:50 < Laurenceb> >its going to produce numbers, lots of numbers, some of them will be big, and some will be small, it will be amazing, there will be a database, Mexico will pay for the database
2020-03-18T19:01:27 < Laurenceb> 1)numbers 2)database 3)??? 4)science!
2020-03-18T19:01:58 < englishman> you invented big data
2020-03-18T19:02:54 < englishman> surely the other half of the experiment was submitting thousands of babies to a simulated controlled wanbulance and seeing if they become autistic?
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2020-03-18T19:27:52 < Laurenceb> lol
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2020-03-18T21:00:18 < mawk> Steffanx: is there something happening right now ?
2020-03-18T21:00:22 < mawk> I hear people clapping all around
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2020-03-18T21:24:19 < Steffanx> oh yeah, they planned on doing that mawk
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2020-03-18T21:27:40 < mawk> what :(
2020-03-18T21:27:52 < mawk> explain Steffanx 
2020-03-18T21:27:55 < mawk> I am lost
2020-03-18T21:27:58 < mawk> why the clapping
2020-03-18T21:28:03 < mawk> are dutchies compulsive clappers ?
2020-03-18T21:28:10 < mawk> why is google available in frysian ?
2020-03-18T21:28:13 < mawk> so many questions
2020-03-18T21:29:40 < invzim> he, average age of corona fatalities in Norway so far: 89
2020-03-18T21:29:51 < mawk> in france median age is 70 iirc
2020-03-18T21:29:55 < mawk> and decreasing
2020-03-18T21:30:33 < invzim> Guess the young ones can fight a bit longer and we shouldn't read too much into it at this point
2020-03-18T21:32:29 < kakimir> if health care collapses if you are over 40 you don't want to get the virus
2020-03-18T21:32:47 < PaulFertser> mawk: there was a USSR joke that goes like this: A man is standing on Red Square and giving out blank pieces of paper. Gets arrested in few minutes and the interrogators ask: "why is there nothing written on the pamphlets?" He answers: "Why, isn't it all pretty clear already?"
2020-03-18T21:33:15 < kakimir> :]
2020-03-18T21:34:12 < mawk> lol
2020-03-18T21:34:43 < mawk> PaulFertser: you know piotr pavlenski ?
2020-03-18T21:34:49 < mawk> the guy that nailed his balls to the red square
2020-03-18T21:34:57 < mawk> he's a political refugee in france
2020-03-18T21:35:30 < mawk> and he decided to lure a politician into sending a dick vid to him posing using his girlfriend as bait, then sent it to french parliament members
2020-03-18T21:35:37 < mawk> one of them put it on twitter and everyone saw it
2020-03-18T21:36:10 < kakimir> such chad
2020-03-18T21:36:29 < mawk> the politician was until then amongst favorite for the Paris mayor race
2020-03-18T21:36:33 < mawk> that caused him to drop out
2020-03-18T21:36:40 < mawk> stupid socialist is about to get reelected
2020-03-18T21:37:03 < Steffanx> They wanted to thank everyone for their hard work the last few weeks mawk
2020-03-18T21:37:25 < Steffanx> They did the same last night around 20.00
2020-03-18T21:37:25 < mawk> where did they plan that ?
2020-03-18T21:37:39 < Steffanx> Facebook. 
2020-03-18T21:37:50 < PaulFertser> mawk: yeah, I know that story but I think it was different. At least he says it was different, like the video was a year or so old. And the point was that the guy was always pro-family/morals/whatsnot and this video highlighted his hypocrisy.
2020-03-18T21:37:53 < Steffanx> but it was announced kinda everywhere. The news, random websites etc.
2020-03-18T21:38:27 < PaulFertser> mawk: his scrotum was pierced in advance btw, so he put a nail through an already existing hole.
2020-03-18T21:38:27 < mawk> a
2020-03-18T21:39:55 < mawk> how different PaulFertser ?
2020-03-18T21:39:57 < mawk> ah, I see
2020-03-18T21:40:30 < mawk> the girlfriend claims it was a vid she genuinely sollicited, and that piotr just stole the video from her
2020-03-18T21:40:35 < mawk> but dunno
2020-03-18T21:40:38 < kakimir> https://twitter.com/verge/status/1240048157192597514 make 11kusd vent for 1usd.. company goes mad
2020-03-18T21:40:42 < PaulFertser> mawk: well, it depends on the video date.
2020-03-18T21:41:38 < mawk> yeah it was not a recent vid
2020-03-18T21:41:44 < mawk> he just released it recently
2020-03-18T21:51:49 < Steffanx> mawk doenst your gf facebook all day long so she couldve read about it?
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2020-03-18T21:58:33 < mawk> no
2020-03-18T21:58:37 < mawk> she's not on facebook
2020-03-18T22:01:43 < Steffanx> hah ok.
2020-03-18T22:01:50 < Steffanx> i bet you wouldnt let her anyway :P
2020-03-18T22:09:27 < Cracki> PaulFertser, could you explain that joke to me. "pretty clear" is how he gets arrested for nothing. that is his message. and that's what he gets arrested for.
2020-03-18T22:10:53 < PaulFertser> Cracki: no, it's not nothing. "Everybody" understands that he's protesting against the government. It's just so obvious that doesn't need to be written or spoken.
2020-03-18T22:11:40 < PaulFertser> Like in clapping protests here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Belarusian_protests
2020-03-18T22:12:16 < Cracki> oh dear god the germans are clapping again. in solidarity with each other in this trying time.
2020-03-18T22:12:33 < Cracki> germans love clapping. it's like it absolves them or the original sin of being germans.
2020-03-18T22:13:47 < Cracki> I wonder, would the russians arrest people on a square that stand far enough apart that it's not an assembly
2020-03-18T22:15:20 < Cracki> >arresting a one-armed man for clapping
2020-03-18T22:15:26 < Cracki> give that bandit a medal
2020-03-18T22:18:46 < PaulFertser> Cracki: russian government is very afraid of "orange revolution", and also they do not care about obeying the law, so they can arrest anybody just in case.
2020-03-18T22:18:57 < Cracki> what's orange
2020-03-18T22:19:04 < PaulFertser> The Ukraine protests
2020-03-18T22:19:07 < Cracki> hm
2020-03-18T22:19:40 < Cracki> they do understand that arresting people "just in case" is what makes a government the enemy of the people
2020-03-18T22:21:21 < PaulFertser> They control all state-wide TV channels and use that for non-stop propaganda. So arresting some "enemies funded by the USA" is not problematic.
2020-03-18T22:22:06 < kakimir> what is orange revolution?
2020-03-18T22:22:12 < PaulFertser> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution
2020-03-18T22:23:26 < specing> Let's remember for a moment the spanish represssion of catalonia's independence vote
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2020-03-18T22:23:43 < BrainDamage> that was a pretty foul thing
2020-03-18T22:23:46 < specing> This happened in a supposedly civilised country, a member of EU and NATO
2020-03-18T22:24:07 < BrainDamage> self determination of populations if one of the basic tenants of so called civilized places
2020-03-18T22:24:13 < PaulFertser> It's hard to imagine that really happened.
2020-03-18T22:25:55 < Cracki> that lukashenko guy sounds intriguing, if the wikipedia article is to be believed
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2020-03-18T22:27:28 < Cracki> how is that right of self determination justified? are they distinct peoples/ethnicities?
2020-03-18T22:28:20 < specing> so many sanctions against russia
2020-03-18T22:28:31 < specing> but when spain does the same, no sanctions
2020-03-18T22:28:46 < Cracki> they should sanction turkey instead of throwing more money at them. turkey is flooding europe
2020-03-18T22:28:47 < PaulFertser> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination#Self-determination_versus_territorial_integrity
2020-03-18T22:29:11 < Cracki> self determination includes border control, right?
2020-03-18T22:29:21 < PaulFertser> well... read the article ;)
2020-03-18T22:30:03 < Cracki> >world government
2020-03-18T22:30:06 < doomba> The Orange Revolution was a series of NPC gatherings that took place in the United States in the wake of the 2016 Presidential Election. Nationwide, the revolution was highlighted by legions of social-media-controlled automatons chanting "Orange Man Bad" in unison while blocking traffic.
2020-03-18T22:30:08 < Cracki> *torches article*
2020-03-18T22:30:22 < Cracki> kek
2020-03-18T22:31:45 < Cracki> czechs and slovaks were one country once too. they split up. I think that's fair.
2020-03-18T22:32:00 < Cracki> austrians and hungarians too.
2020-03-18T22:34:03 < Cracki> lukashenko said "better to be a dictator than gay". I like him but why not both
2020-03-18T22:34:14 < PaulFertser> Yugoslavia issue is still not fully settled (Kosovo)
2020-03-18T22:34:35 < Cracki> are they fighting over territory or is it blood feuds
2020-03-18T22:34:57 < PaulFertser> idk
2020-03-18T22:35:37 < Cracki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ someone is surely working on it
2020-03-18T22:36:22 < PaulFertser> specing: specing: sanctions started with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnitsky_Act , compare with what Spain did.
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2020-03-18T22:59:01 < jadew> situation seems more fucked than the day before
2020-03-18T22:59:24 < Steffanx> What did you do jadew
2020-03-18T22:59:29 < jadew> I slept
2020-03-18T22:59:35 < jadew> but I'm watching those numbers
2020-03-18T22:59:56 < Steffanx> That's what you get when you sleep at such unusual time
2020-03-18T23:00:36 < jadew> the quarantine efforts are starting to show in Italy's death curve
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2020-03-18T23:10:19 < Laurenceb> no freaking food
2020-03-18T23:10:46 < jadew> Laurenceb, you have no food?
2020-03-18T23:14:32 < Hamilton> What happened to italy? 400+ death in one day?
2020-03-18T23:14:46 < jadew> yeah, but the rate of increase is decreasing
2020-03-18T23:15:24 < jadew> so they're on the right track to stopping the quarantine and resuming country-wide infection
2020-03-18T23:15:33 < qyx> heh
2020-03-18T23:16:28 < Hamilton> I still don't get how this virus could be contained...even if one single person is a carrier and all other beings are controlled, he could start an epidemic in a few months 
2020-03-18T23:17:13 < jadew> exactly, it can't be contained
2020-03-18T23:17:34 < BrainDamage> you cannot contain it, but you can limit contagion so that your health system doesn't overload
2020-03-18T23:17:36 < jadew> they're just trying to delay it long enough, but I don't think that's possible either
2020-03-18T23:17:55 < jadew> they'll throttle the cases a bit, but not enough
2020-03-18T23:18:55 < Hamilton> BrainDamage, There is a limit to health care workers stamina. And economy...How could people stay in quarantine for 3 months and economy pay for those health care workers
2020-03-18T23:19:29 < BrainDamage> Hamilton: the plan is to increase health care capacity at the same time relax restrictions a bit
2020-03-18T23:19:32 < jadew> BrainDamage, after we talked about your countries plan, I was running the numbers in my head when I went to bed
2020-03-18T23:19:37 < jadew> I don't think that plan will work
2020-03-18T23:19:55 < BrainDamage> jadew: unless you have numbers to show, I trust experts more than you
2020-03-18T23:20:00 < qyx> and what about the boris's plan!
2020-03-18T23:20:00 < jadew> unless I remember things wrong, by one order of magnitude
2020-03-18T23:20:04 < BrainDamage> especially with your tendency to panic
2020-03-18T23:20:13 < jadew> BrainDamage, did you say 5k ICU beds, or 50k?
2020-03-18T23:20:23 < jadew> BrainDamage, I obviously was right about everything so far
2020-03-18T23:20:40 < BrainDamage> holy crap, do you have a bit of self-awareness?
2020-03-18T23:20:43 < jadew> everyone who thought I was wrong to panic, was wrong
2020-03-18T23:21:00 < BrainDamage> yes, it's wrong to panic, even now
2020-03-18T23:21:01 < Hamilton> How did '1bn population' china manage it ?
2020-03-18T23:21:08 < Hamilton> Ubermensch
2020-03-18T23:21:11 < jadew> anyway, you said 5k ICU beds or 50k?
2020-03-18T23:21:19 < BrainDamage> 5k ICU per facility
2020-03-18T23:21:25 < jadew> ok, that's not enough
2020-03-18T23:21:31 < jadew> you have 60 million people
2020-03-18T23:21:42 < jadew> let's be generous and say only 50% get sick
2020-03-18T23:21:44 < BrainDamage> it won't be 60 millions infected at once ...
2020-03-18T23:21:53 < jadew> and that those who need critical care will only need it for 1 week each
2020-03-18T23:21:56 < BrainDamage> if you have 50% infected, your social system is dead
2020-03-18T23:22:19 < jadew> if you magically succeed in spreading them homogenously across a year, without killing the economy in the process
2020-03-18T23:22:35 < BrainDamage> it won't be just italy, it'll be everyone that has to do it
2020-03-18T23:22:38 < jadew> then you end up with 57k critical cases constantly under ICU
2020-03-18T23:22:44 < BrainDamage> that is correct
2020-03-18T23:22:58 < jadew> so how would those 5k beds help
2020-03-18T23:23:00 < jadew> ?
2020-03-18T23:23:10 < jadew> the death rate will sky rocket
2020-03-18T23:23:12 < BrainDamage> what part of per facility is hard to understand?
2020-03-18T23:23:22 < BrainDamage> and I said one facility per region
2020-03-18T23:23:23 < jadew> well, you only talked about 2 facilities
2020-03-18T23:23:27 < BrainDamage> no
2020-03-18T23:23:31 < jadew> and how many we're talking about?
2020-03-18T23:23:37 < jadew> more than 10?
2020-03-18T23:23:38 < BrainDamage> italy has 24 regions
2020-03-18T23:23:52 < BrainDamage> but only two are being built urgently due to pressing needs
2020-03-18T23:23:53 < englishman> my solution is to y
2020-03-18T23:24:05 < englishman> hyperventilate and chat on irc about it
2020-03-18T23:24:16 < BrainDamage> that's also jadew's plan
2020-03-18T23:24:30 < englishman> using a fucking shitty assdroid kB I might add
2020-03-18T23:25:14 < jadew> BrainDamage, with 120k ICU beds it might be doable then
2020-03-18T23:25:35 < Cracki> so they're _building_ capacity. how can you guys disagree when you aren't
2020-03-18T23:26:05 < jadew> I guess we're not disagreeing
2020-03-18T23:26:11 < Laurenceb> nearly 20% daily increase in italy
2020-03-18T23:26:13 < Cracki> if you want numbers that don't add up, I have a few choices :P
2020-03-18T23:26:13 < englishman> just went for a run, training for half marathon in oct
2020-03-18T23:26:41 < BrainDamage> fun thing, patient 1 here spread it because he was a sport nut
2020-03-18T23:26:51 < Cracki> Sport ist Mord
2020-03-18T23:26:53 < Cracki> german proverb.
2020-03-18T23:26:56 < BrainDamage> he partecipated to multiple half marathons, soccer games, etc
2020-03-18T23:26:56 < englishman> cuz gyms are closed
2020-03-18T23:27:04 < englishman> nice
2020-03-18T23:27:16 < englishman> infecting healthy people who will spread it more
2020-03-18T23:27:21 < Cracki> marathons don't involve much spit swapping but soccer games...
2020-03-18T23:28:00 < Cracki> I've seen some of what these soccer players have the nerve to do out on the field
2020-03-18T23:28:17 < englishman> lots of tongue in soccer
2020-03-18T23:29:07 < Cracki> jadew, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIYMH1hA4mw
2020-03-18T23:29:33 < Cracki> love that synth sound
2020-03-18T23:29:57 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: we're on a ~linear trend now
2020-03-18T23:30:00 < BrainDamage> no more exp
2020-03-18T23:30:15 < Cracki> past the inflection point?
2020-03-18T23:30:28 < BrainDamage> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
2020-03-18T23:30:31 < BrainDamage> ops
2020-03-18T23:30:35 < BrainDamage> https://www.corriere.it/speciale/salute/2020/mappa-coronavirus-italia/
2020-03-18T23:30:36 < Cracki> too late
2020-03-18T23:30:37 < BrainDamage> this one
2020-03-18T23:30:56 < jadew> BrainDamage, it's still exponential, it's just that the exponent is lower every day
2020-03-18T23:30:58 < jadew> which is good
2020-03-18T23:31:05 < BrainDamage> the daily increase of cases is constant now
2020-03-18T23:31:09 < Cracki> hm yes those daily new cases look like they're about to level off
2020-03-18T23:31:14 < BrainDamage> that's NOT an exponential
2020-03-18T23:31:21 < jadew> you had the same number yesterday?
2020-03-18T23:31:21 < BrainDamage> it's a linear curve
2020-03-18T23:31:23 < englishman> linear in the logarithmic
2020-03-18T23:31:29 < jadew> lol englishman 
2020-03-18T23:31:35 < BrainDamage> nope, those are linear plots
2020-03-18T23:31:43 < Cracki> if it were still in the exponential part, the derivative should look exponential too
2020-03-18T23:31:48 < BrainDamage> exactly
2020-03-18T23:31:48 < Cracki> it looks like leveling off
2020-03-18T23:32:21 < Cracki> so... 30k now, we could guess 60-80k when it's over?
2020-03-18T23:32:38 < jadew> oh, you guys are looking at the number of cases
2020-03-18T23:32:45 < jadew> I'm ignoring that across the board
2020-03-18T23:32:52 < Cracki> what should we be looking at
2020-03-18T23:32:58 < jadew> number of deaths
2020-03-18T23:33:03 < karlp> the one that makes jade panic more :)
2020-03-18T23:33:04 < Cracki> that's isolated incidents
2020-03-18T23:33:11 < englishman> surely # active is a better metric
2020-03-18T23:33:32 < Cracki> n=2978 is not sufficient data
2020-03-18T23:33:37 < Cracki> *bigbrain*
2020-03-18T23:33:45 < jadew> Cracki, it's the best indication of how it's evolving, granted, with a phase delay
2020-03-18T23:33:47 < Cracki> :P
2020-03-18T23:33:57 < Cracki> yes, phase delay of a week or two
2020-03-18T23:34:06 < jadew> yeah
2020-03-18T23:34:16 < Cracki> BUT
2020-03-18T23:34:23 < jadew> but they're more likely to properly test critically ill people, rather than the population at large
2020-03-18T23:34:27 < Cracki> deaths are magnified by overburdened health system
2020-03-18T23:34:35 < Cracki> #cases develops independent of that
2020-03-18T23:34:43 < jadew> so the number of active cases can be anything, it's based on how they decided to test that week
2020-03-18T23:34:45 < Cracki> deaths develops very dependent on health system
2020-03-18T23:35:21 < Cracki> I'd rather go with active cases. they can test, or guess by symptoms, a lot quicker, than they can take care of a dying person
2020-03-18T23:35:25 < jadew> yeah, but they've increased with a rather constant ratio, which indicates that the Italian health system hasn't been overflown yet
2020-03-18T23:35:52 < jadew> when that happens, I expect to see a change in the ratio
2020-03-18T23:35:53 < englishman> what makes you think they are testing dead people more often than the living
2020-03-18T23:36:13 < Cracki> the gray curve there, eh? that's still in the exponential indeed
2020-03-18T23:36:13 < jadew> englishman, when someone goes to the ICU, they'll need a diagnostic to treat them
2020-03-18T23:36:25 < englishman> what if they test the same dead guy twice?
2020-03-18T23:36:35 < sync> not if you are dead when you get to the hospital
2020-03-18T23:36:43 < jadew> unlike for non-ICU patients, which they may or may not test, based on how they feel that day, and based on overall load
2020-03-18T23:36:52 < englishman> what if they test him 3 times
2020-03-18T23:37:08 < jadew> englishman, he's still dead just one time
2020-03-18T23:37:23 < englishman> what if they test him 4 times but do it carefully
2020-03-18T23:37:36 < Cracki> cue the monty python jokes
2020-03-18T23:37:49 < Cracki> *whaking of table*
2020-03-18T23:38:14 < Steffanx> ##stm32 should be locked down. Lol
2020-03-18T23:38:39 < jadew> Steffanx, half of it, already is :)
2020-03-18T23:39:05 < Cracki> *whack* https://youtu.be/vZw35VUBdzo?t=81
2020-03-18T23:40:18 < jadew> what I find surprising is that the BTC hasn't crashed further
2020-03-18T23:40:31 < jadew> I was expecting it to be like 2k USD by now
2020-03-18T23:41:12 < Cracki> people realize they only have so much storage to stuff full of TP
2020-03-18T23:41:14 < jadew> I wonder if many people are foolishly investing in it at this moment
2020-03-18T23:41:26 < Cracki> why would that be foolish, expect it to dip more?
2020-03-18T23:41:28 < jadew> Cracki, heh
2020-03-18T23:41:36 < jadew> yeah, I expect it to crash entirely
2020-03-18T23:41:45 < Cracki> not gonna happen
2020-03-18T23:41:54 < jadew> why not?
2020-03-18T23:42:21 < jadew> there's going to be a shortage of money soon
2020-03-18T23:42:32 < ds2> have they figured out if reinfection is happening?
2020-03-18T23:42:39 < Cracki> even if it did what it did from 2018 to 2019, it'll rise again
2020-03-18T23:42:43 < jadew> ds2, yeah, apparently it doesn't
2020-03-18T23:42:56 < jadew> Cracki, don't know...
2020-03-18T23:43:14 < Cracki> shortage of money means it'll dip further, doesn't mean it's gonna stay there
2020-03-18T23:43:21 < Cracki> recovery is inevitable
2020-03-18T23:43:31 < jadew> I expect a world-wide economy depression, with various markets crashing in several steps
2020-03-18T23:43:33 < BrainDamage> it fills a unique niche, as long as it has a pourpose it'll recover
2020-03-18T23:43:59 < jadew> Cracki, it might recover, if people don't completely lose confidence in it
2020-03-18T23:44:01 < BrainDamage> the only possibility of it not recovering is that another cryptobabble will take its place
2020-03-18T23:44:06 < Cracki> even if you invest in bitcoin now and it drops more, you can invest more then, and it'll rise again
2020-03-18T23:44:18 < jadew> which is hard to imagine if it loses 90% of its value over a couple of months
2020-03-18T23:44:32 < Cracki> there was plenty of opportunity for ppl to lose confidence in btc, AND FIAT CURRENCY TOO
2020-03-18T23:44:43 < jadew> yeah, if it does crash like I think it will, I will buy some, just in case
2020-03-18T23:44:52 < Cracki> people still believe the monopoly paper money and digital stuff we "have" is stable
2020-03-18T23:45:07 < jadew> Cracki, people already lost their confidence in fiat currency
2020-03-18T23:45:09 < Cracki> it's stable because people want it to be. it's like society. it could all be gone tomorrow but it won't
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2020-03-18T23:45:36 < jadew> money is in high demand now
2020-03-18T23:45:40 < jadew> actual money
2020-03-18T23:45:53 < Cracki> you mean actual goods
2020-03-18T23:45:56 < jadew> and I think it will be until the depression starts
2020-03-18T23:46:03 < ds2> sea shells and beads? 
2020-03-18T23:46:07 < jadew> well, money in general, not just goods
2020-03-18T23:46:10 < jadew> people are going to lose jobs
2020-03-18T23:46:10 < Cracki> noodles and tp
2020-03-18T23:46:21 < jadew> companies are going to go bankrupt, there is going to be a huge need for money
2020-03-18T23:46:34 < jadew> and this is just the begining
2020-03-18T23:46:44 < Cracki> you will soon visit a strip club (in full hazmat suit) and stuff sheets of TP into the stripper's thong
2020-03-18T23:47:05 < jadew> exactly. sheets
2020-03-18T23:47:15 < Cracki> sheet of TP = paper money
2020-03-18T23:47:24 < Cracki> guess who owns the TP factories
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2020-03-18T23:47:40 < Cracki> they can make more TP!
2020-03-18T23:48:54 < jadew> BrainDamage, also, I would disagree regarding your view on panic.
2020-03-18T23:48:59 < jadew> it is not always bad.
2020-03-18T23:49:37 < jadew> people panic when they sense danger and don't have enough information to take decisions that they have confidence in
2020-03-18T23:49:43 < Cracki> does it turn into enough sensible action and not too much hysteria?
2020-03-18T23:50:17 < Cracki> people have confidence in buying shit loads of TP. it's still hysterical.
2020-03-18T23:50:18 < jadew> panic is helpful because it's a state in which you overanalyze anything, until you get to that point, where you are happy with the understanding you have
2020-03-18T23:50:46 < jadew> if you're not happy with it, then you should keep panicking, otherwise you risk becoming complacent in an unfavorable situation, which might actually have a solution
2020-03-18T23:50:46 < Steffanx> We have you to over-analyze
2020-03-18T23:50:50 < Cracki> be aware of the danger of neuroses and anxiety and depressive disorder
2020-03-18T23:51:29 < jadew> personally, I'm not panicked anymore
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2020-03-18T23:52:07 < jadew> I've gotten over this about the time when the rest of the world started to panic
2020-03-18T23:52:41 < Steffanx> I'm not convinced.
2020-03-18T23:52:54 < Cracki> what helped me is that I only bought what I could carry with my own two hands (and some bags)
2020-03-18T23:52:54 < Steffanx> You're not OVER it.
2020-03-18T23:52:56 < jadew> I think I know what to expect next, and in what parameters, so now it's only a matter of navigating the shitstorm ahead
2020-03-18T23:53:35 < Cracki> had some contact with ppl from uni today. one sounded panicked. he was looking for a job, any job, 20 bucks is 20 bucks, that kinda panicked
2020-03-18T23:54:06 < Cracki> like he didn't to anything to secure his existence
2020-03-18T23:54:22 < englishman> imx8 is cool
2020-03-18T23:54:27 < Steffanx> Is it?
2020-03-18T23:54:36 < englishman> what are you supposed to do with all those cortex m cores on the higher end chips?
2020-03-18T23:54:52 < Steffanx> Does it come with a ancient lunix kernel?
2020-03-18T23:54:53 < ds2> imx8 is a recipe for confusion just like the IMX.RT debacle
2020-03-18T23:55:03 < englishman> why ds2
2020-03-18T23:55:04 < Cracki> confusion?
2020-03-18T23:55:20 < Cracki> I may or may not have to handle those things soon
2020-03-18T23:55:39 < karlp> englishman: "run your critical time senstive operations"
2020-03-18T23:55:55 < englishman> so, hocus pocus
2020-03-18T23:55:58 < karlp> which seems to be, "we may bother to write a low power mode for quick wakeup, maybe"
2020-03-18T23:56:10 < ds2> englishman: too many distinct flavors of the IMX8... why can't they use different names
2020-03-18T23:56:16 < karlp> ds2:hear hear!
2020-03-18T23:56:20 < englishman> the one or two cores on the lower end chips seem sufficient if they have adequate low power modes
2020-03-18T23:56:23 < karlp> imx.rt was fucking disaster of a name
2020-03-18T23:56:31 < ds2> wtf is with the IMX.RT... no damn MMU like any other IMX
2020-03-18T23:56:33 < ds2> GRRRRR
2020-03-18T23:56:39 < englishman> ha yeah and they are quite different
2020-03-18T23:56:49 < karlp> and then all the lite,dual,nano,mini,quad,ultra and with massively different periphs too
2020-03-18T23:58:34 < ds2> I am waiting for them to offer a Kinetis/Super with an MMU ;)
2020-03-18T23:59:32 < Steffanx> Do you have the same issue with all those mcus that start with "stm32" ?
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2020-03-19T00:00:26 < Steffanx> Theres even one that starts with "stm32" that has a cortex-A7.
2020-03-19T00:01:08 < ds2> yes... I am rather unhappy about that
2020-03-19T00:01:46 < Steffanx> Ok. I like your consistency :)
2020-03-19T00:01:58 < ds2> makes quoting software work a lot more complicated  ``write firmware for a stm32 board'' <-- is that a Linux job or is that a bare metal Keil disaster?
2020-03-19T00:02:09 < englishman> are there any alternatives to imx series if you are looking for something with 10 year lifetime
2020-03-19T00:02:23 < ds2> so far TI hasn't done this yet
2020-03-19T00:02:40 < englishman> some imx have 15 year lifetime
2020-03-19T00:02:45 < Steffanx> TI likes to rename their stuff. Even more shitty
2020-03-19T00:02:54 < englishman> fuck ti mcus
2020-03-19T00:02:56 < ds2> I can deal with renaming
2020-03-19T00:02:57 < englishman> fuck them
2020-03-19T00:03:03 < Steffanx> Mspmate 
2020-03-19T00:03:22 < englishman> if I want a good adc I'll put a ti adc
2020-03-19T00:03:32 < englishman> if I want a timer that doesn't work I'll put msp430
2020-03-19T00:03:42 < ds2> which probally is a Burr Brown ADC
2020-03-19T00:03:55 < ds2> or national
2020-03-19T00:04:55 < doomba> aidsfruit shut down
2020-03-19T00:05:00 < qyx> englishman: st has longetivity program
2020-03-19T00:05:03 < qyx> too
2020-03-19T00:05:17 < englishman> yeah but mp1 is pretty tame
2020-03-19T00:05:43 < qyx> mp1 is vool
2020-03-19T00:05:45 < qyx> cool
2020-03-19T00:06:38 < Steffanx> Forever doomba?
2020-03-19T00:07:08 < karlp> wotchoo doing that you need so much more processing in so little space? gotta get that heat out somewhere
2020-03-19T00:10:40 < qyx> fuk my pcie, I exchangex RXP/RXN
2020-03-19T00:10:46 < qyx> with a note that it is intentional
2020-03-19T00:11:03 < qyx> because pcie has pair swapping support mandatory
2020-03-19T00:11:19 < qyx> I am curious if that makes the MT7688 pcie controller unhappy
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2020-03-19T00:22:38 < karlp> heh, wouldnt' surprise me
2020-03-19T00:23:37 < Laurenceb> holy sheet
2020-03-19T00:23:49 < Laurenceb> >gov will distribute basic food packages
2020-03-19T00:24:06 < Laurenceb> literally murican style ration packs for the britbongs
2020-03-19T00:24:41 < Laurenceb> ywlts preppers vindicated
2020-03-19T00:27:02 < ds2> when are they going to plug the chunnel? :D
2020-03-19T00:27:40 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-19T00:27:49 < englishman> karlp: yet to be determined lol
2020-03-19T00:28:05 < englishman> what does Laurenceb consider food I wonder
2020-03-19T00:28:10 < englishman> Doritos and canned spam
2020-03-19T00:28:15 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgLg4bPjdd4 music video
2020-03-19T00:28:22 < sync> Laurenceb: pls provide primary info link
2020-03-19T00:28:46 < englishman> karlp: current generation product uses a $170 FPGA and new one might need to move even more bitz
2020-03-19T00:29:19 < englishman> although they probably could have used a $50 one
2020-03-19T00:29:55 < kakimir> I wonder if it's too late to ecp5 versa
2020-03-19T00:30:11 < qyx> are you all into fpga now
2020-03-19T00:30:25 < kakimir> yes, but not into all fpga
2020-03-19T00:30:38 < qyx> slightly related, anyone used the Kendryte thing yet?
2020-03-19T00:30:55 < qyx> K210 or whatever is it
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2020-03-19T00:32:22 < karlp> lolrence was always talking about it, but I'm guessing he got sidetracked searching for tendies on his stratosolar
2020-03-19T00:34:06 < doomba> mmmmm solartendies
2020-03-19T00:36:24 < englishman> dongu read into it iirc
2020-03-19T00:36:31 < englishman> it's dumb for some reason
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2020-03-19T00:38:50 < qyx> meanwhile another Omega2s board https://i.imgur.com/h8vmNGc.png
2020-03-19T00:39:56 < karlp> is this a _fix_ or another one?
2020-03-19T00:40:04 < karlp> are you puttign omega2s on each card?
2020-03-19T00:40:28 < karlp> or is that just same formfactor but not plugging into your backplane?
2020-03-19T00:41:15 < karlp> aside, how do you do the copper edges in kicad?
2020-03-19T00:41:20 < qyx> this is a different project
2020-03-19T00:41:32 < qyx> initially I wanted to use sama5d27 again (because lunix req)
2020-03-19T00:41:48 < qyx> but meh, if the omega runs stock openwrt, I won't bother with sama5d27
2020-03-19T00:42:12 < qyx> also I was tempted to use imx6ull for this one
2020-03-19T00:42:30 < qyx> but I have not done anything with imx6 so far, so..
2020-03-19T00:43:03 < qyx> and this is a quick payproject, I don't want to autism much
2020-03-19T00:44:16 < karlp> where do you get "quick pay project" on the side from?
2020-03-19T00:44:36  * karlp wonders if he's ever actually heartd what qyx's dayjob is...
2020-03-19T00:44:57 < karlp> your rack thing is a science/postdoc/academia data logging recording thingy isn't it?
2020-03-19T00:45:11 < qyx> re copper edges: I put a graphic poly on the F.Mask layer
2020-03-19T00:45:22 < qyx> yes, but thats not board for it :)
2020-03-19T00:45:36 < qyx> this goes into a fischer elektronik extruded alu case
2020-03-19T00:51:08 < karlp> speaking of money in a time of crisis, /me just signed a new loan, whee
2020-03-19T00:54:04 < doomba> are those vias around the usb pairs to the pcie (presumably for lte card) like a shielding?
2020-03-19T00:58:38 < qyx> the usb paris to the pcie are pcie pairs
2020-03-19T00:58:48 < qyx> they are to make the ground plane compact
2020-03-19T00:59:03 < qyx> also I don't expect them to work because it is not working even on the proto
2020-03-19T00:59:04 < karlp> spraa7h.pdf doomba
2020-03-19T00:59:35 < qyx> whats that
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2020-03-19T01:00:55 < karlp> ti's high speed layout guidelines
2020-03-19T01:02:05 < doomba> scaa082a.pdf
2020-03-19T01:03:20 < karlp> still, today I learned abotu backdrilling vias: https://e2e.ti.com/blogs_/b/analogwire/archive/2015/06/10/differential-pairs-four-things-you-need-to-know-about-vias
2020-03-19T01:03:26 < karlp> I bet that costs fucking $
2020-03-19T01:03:45  * doomba looks at theoretical overview section and spins mousewheel to find the 0day skiddie warez section
2020-03-19T01:05:19 < doomba> ok so stripline is the little squiggly lines i see on high speed shit like ram
2020-03-19T01:05:21 < doomba> ?
2020-03-19T01:05:34 < doomba> it's calculated to ensure all the signals arrive at the same time?
2020-03-19T01:05:55 < karlp> ah, sorry, "High-Speed Interface Layout Guidelines" not "High-Speed Layout Guidelines" :)
2020-03-19T01:06:06 < karlp> well, sort of,
2020-03-19T01:06:18 < karlp> that's just length matchign, and yes.
2020-03-19T01:06:32 < karlp> but stripline is really the name for how you make the impedances match, not the timing
2020-03-19T01:09:06 < karlp> or microstrip, I never remember which is which
2020-03-19T01:09:39 < karlp> ok, right, stripline you can't see (it's internal) and microstrip you can see :)
2020-03-19T01:11:43 < qyx> another interesting one is coplanar waveguide
2020-03-19T01:11:55 < qyx> for 50ohm RF
2020-03-19T01:12:44 < qyx> poor man's 2L one is 1.5mm PCB thickness, 35um copper, 0.8mm trace width, 0.15mm clearance
2020-03-19T01:13:07 < karlp> isn't that just microstrip?
2020-03-19T01:13:32 < qyx> afaik in microstrip clearance doesn't matter
2020-03-19T01:13:43 < qyx> but idk, basically yes
2020-03-19T01:13:44 < karlp> oh, now, cpw is with having ground tracks beside it as well, at set distances
2020-03-19T01:14:27 < englishman> karlp: if that looks expensive check out Embedded Capacitance Material
2020-03-19T01:14:56 < karlp> honestly, the embedded cap stuff looks cheaper
2020-03-19T01:15:01 < karlp> that shit is cool :)
2020-03-19T01:15:16 < karlp> but that shit is just "put this in the layer stack just like you do with copper foil"
2020-03-19T01:15:35 < karlp> whereas backdrilling is z-precision as well as another pass with drills from both sides.
2020-03-19T01:15:53 < karlp> anyway, TIL about backdrilling. yay.
2020-03-19T01:16:05 < karlp> also, more about mqttv5, fucking beast of a thing
2020-03-19T01:16:50 < karlp> doomba: for your initial question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_fence is probably more what you were thinking?
2020-03-19T01:17:11 < qyx> Data-eye diagrams at 25Gbps
2020-03-19T01:17:21 < qyx> not anything I am gonna see soon
2020-03-19T01:17:24  * karlp laughs
2020-03-19T01:17:36 < karlp> yeah, the definition of "high speed" has continually crept :)
2020-03-19T01:17:41 < qyx> kicading at 25Gbps
2020-03-19T01:17:58 < karlp> 100M ethernet was "whoahhhhh" and now it's like, "meh, 2L and yolo bois"
2020-03-19T01:18:06 < qyx> the same
2020-03-19T01:18:12 < qyx> if I make the PCIe working on 2L
2020-03-19T01:18:17 < qyx> and it even passes some EMC
2020-03-19T01:18:27 < qyx> will be uh oh
2020-03-19T01:19:15 < karlp> heh, one of our products passed emitted Em testing fine, but failed accuracy testing under EMI until we went to four layer.
2020-03-19T01:23:23 < englishman> thats annoying
2020-03-19T01:23:41 < englishman> stupid high impedance analolgue lines
2020-03-19T01:25:21 < karlp> yeah, no big deal though, 4L for production quantities isn't a deal breaker.
2020-03-19T01:26:18 < englishman> how much did your attempt to save $0.05 cost the company
2020-03-19T01:27:20 < karlp> nothing, it had been done on 2l just because,
2020-03-19T01:27:45 < karlp> who really expects to complain about 1.5% accuracy lose instead of 1% when you parked it beside an AM radio?
2020-03-19T01:28:19 < karlp> better question might be, "has ##stm32 pro EEing been generally positive or generally negative" ? :)
2020-03-19T01:30:49 < englishman> yeah this one gay thing failed emc for an analolgue output that noone will use at 900MHz because the pcb resonated at that frequency
2020-03-19T01:31:39 < englishman> al worden died
2020-03-19T01:33:44 < karlp> good times :)
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2020-03-19T01:44:03 < ds2> strip line is all about taming those gross parasitic L's and C's
2020-03-19T01:45:44 < Laurenceb> >britbong schools will close with no exams
2020-03-19T01:45:54 < Laurenceb> >pupils will still get exam results
2020-03-19T01:45:57 < Laurenceb> my orbital sides
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2020-03-19T01:46:28 < jly> goodmorning
2020-03-19T01:47:05 < karlp> you still have sides? I thought you were starving?
2020-03-19T01:49:08 < jly> is blxtr talking about his sides again?
2020-03-19T01:49:26 < qyx> any recommended USB-A, right angle THT straight version?
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2020-03-19T01:50:00 < englishman> usbc
2020-03-19T01:50:25 < karlp> qyx: plug or receptacle?
2020-03-19T01:50:34 < karlp> let me finish up the locaal usb.parts notes I have :)
2020-03-19T01:50:37 < qyx> do you know any usb-c barcode readers englishman?
2020-03-19T01:50:48 < qyx> receptacle
2020-03-19T01:51:03 < qyx> https://www.tme.eu/sk/details/ubal-4r-d14-4s/konektory-usb-a-ieee1394/jst/ubal-4r-d14-4s-lf-sn/
2020-03-19T01:52:13 < karlp> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/parts.usb.txt#L130
2020-03-19T01:52:19 < kakimir> Laurenceb: do your police force have any weapons?
2020-03-19T01:52:27 < karlp> that's receptacles in the "standard" footprint
2020-03-19T01:52:37 < karlp> you can find others if you want different arrangements,
2020-03-19T01:52:43 < karlp> but there's _lots_ in that footprint
2020-03-19T01:52:45 < kakimir> *that project lethal force
2020-03-19T01:53:05 < ds2> a club is a weapon
2020-03-19T01:54:10  * karlp grumbles about tme.
2020-03-19T01:54:22 < ds2> get a TARDIS
2020-03-19T01:54:28 < karlp> qyx: oh, I've got nothing on right angle sorry
2020-03-19T01:54:36 < karlp> RA/vert whatever you want to call that
2020-03-19T01:54:49 < karlp> but $1.68 seems crazy expensive
2020-03-19T01:55:20 < qyx> I may use dual stacked instead
2020-03-19T01:55:36 < qyx> I can fit 3 vertical into 20mm probably
2020-03-19T01:55:56 < qyx> but 5€ for 3 connectors is quite much
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2020-03-19T01:57:31 < karlp> allow me to present: https://lcsc.com/product-detail/for_qyxs_pleasure_C12049.html
2020-03-19T01:58:48 < qyx> lol 0.10$
2020-03-19T01:59:40 < karlp> <<<<- cheep like thorn :)
2020-03-19T01:59:50 < jly> can we put together a crowdfunding campaign to help Laurenceb find his sides?
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2020-03-19T02:00:53 < karlp> that jing part is footprint comaptible with all the western stuff like https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/w-rth-elektronik/61400826021/732-2107-ND/2060603 
2020-03-19T02:00:58 < karlp> and that one is in kicad libs, fwiw
2020-03-19T02:01:12 < karlp> also, if you _want_ to pay $1.98 per portpair
2020-03-19T02:01:38 < karlp> dual stacked usb2-a receptacles seemed to be _all_ the same footprint.
2020-03-19T02:02:51 < qyx> this one is in stock https://www.tme.eu/sk/details/usb-a-d-ra/konektory-usb-a-ieee1394/adam-tech/
2020-03-19T02:02:55 < qyx> probably compatible
2020-03-19T02:04:12 < doomba> https://lcsc.com/product-detail/karlp_wuz_here_C432213.html
2020-03-19T02:06:20  * karlp giggles
2020-03-19T02:06:23 < karlp> thanks man
2020-03-19T02:06:27 < karlp> you sending me some g0s?
2020-03-19T02:07:09 < doomba> you haven't played with the new stm32 g-strings yet?
2020-03-19T02:07:27 < karlp> unfortunately no
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2020-03-19T02:07:41 < karlp> I've had some lined up as stocking stuffers a few times,
2020-03-19T02:07:51 < karlp> expect to try and pad some bills soon with on
2020-03-19T02:07:56 < qyx> which 7port hub are you using?
2020-03-19T02:08:02 < qyx> 2517?
2020-03-19T02:08:05 < karlp> yeah
2020-03-19T02:08:10 < qyx> k
2020-03-19T02:08:27 < karlp> looked at using two cascaded gl whatsit or terminus tech, but decided it wasn't the bit I wanted to skimp on
2020-03-19T02:08:43 < qyx> 2x fe1.1!
2020-03-19T02:08:50 < karlp> and the config of two cascaded ones via strapping and/or dual eeproms seemed needlessly complicated
2020-03-19T02:09:01 < karlp> there's enough autism on this already :)
2020-03-19T02:11:34 < qyx> is there a need to do strapping and eeprom if I2C is available?
2020-03-19T02:15:32 < karlp> i2c from where?
2020-03-19T02:15:43 < karlp> this is an stm32 free zone!
2020-03-19T02:16:14 < karlp> _newer_ hubs have config via hub commands, because you know, that woudl be sane.
2020-03-19T02:16:33 < qyx> i2c from lunix
2020-03-19T02:16:40 < karlp> .... how?
2020-03-19T02:16:45 < karlp> there's a usb port...
2020-03-19T02:17:07 < karlp> you want me to lay a second cable,all the time, so you can reconfigure after power cycles?
2020-03-19T02:17:21 < karlp> nah. usb2517 for first round autisim :)
2020-03-19T02:17:42 < qyx> wait what
2020-03-19T02:17:52 < qyx> I'll use usb2517
2020-03-19T02:17:57 < qyx> but how to configure it
2020-03-19T02:18:07 < karlp> what?
2020-03-19T02:18:17 < qyx> probably pin strapping is enough, I am read the DS now
2020-03-19T02:18:26 < qyx> LEDs I don't need
2020-03-19T02:18:29 < karlp> yeah, I'm planning on using pin straps.
2020-03-19T02:18:31 < qyx> OC for 2 ports only
2020-03-19T02:18:44 < qyx> vbus enable too
2020-03-19T02:18:57 < karlp> I've popualted all the foorptints for the eeprom and all config straps but I expect to just use one of the pin strappable defaults
2020-03-19T02:18:58 < qyx> the rest is self powered and always connected
2020-03-19T02:19:36 < karlp> yeah, you don't reallyt seem to have arbitrary bitmaps of what's always connected and shit, on all the hub parts I looked at, it was a pretty fixed set of options of what was allowed to be fixed/selfpowered
2020-03-19T02:20:04 < karlp> are you going to use the powering/oc stuff anyway? that's my autism :)
2020-03-19T02:21:41 < qyx> only for the two front panel facing ports
2020-03-19T02:25:19 < Laurenceb> I wonder if coronavirus cures autism
2020-03-19T02:25:40 < Laurenceb> I hate to think what retarded coronavirus related shit reddit is up to
2020-03-19T02:26:55 < jadew> Laurenceb, only in 1 to 3.4% of the cases
2020-03-19T02:27:02 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-19T02:30:57 < jadew> you know, I was considering something regarding the response we see in various countries
2020-03-19T02:31:41 < jadew> it's possible that governments are trying to synchronize their peaks and quarantines
2020-03-19T02:31:48 < karlp> "10 Tips for Saving Electricity During the CoVid-19 Lockdown"
2020-03-19T02:32:05 < karlp> (how you konw it's a lolrence region company spamming you)
2020-03-19T02:32:18 < karlp> "8. You may be making more tea while you are home, only fill the kettle with the amount of water you need."
2020-03-19T02:32:51 < jadew> speaking of tea, I don't think I have enough
2020-03-19T02:33:50 < jadew> I hope they'll include one or two bags in the weekly ration
2020-03-19T02:34:02 < doomba> A covid-19 patient walks into a bar... j/k the bars are closed.
2020-03-19T02:35:11 < jadew> I liked this one: https://ruinmyweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/coronavirus-travel-memes-2.png
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2020-03-19T02:40:14 < jadew> hah, local shops are clearing stock
2020-03-19T02:40:28 < jadew> lots of big discounts
2020-03-19T02:40:36 < jadew> I guess people don't have money anymore for gadgets
2020-03-19T02:41:17 < qyx> local non-food shops?
2020-03-19T02:41:21 < jadew> yeah
2020-03-19T02:41:31 < qyx> they are closed here since Sat
2020-03-19T02:41:38 < jadew> https://www.emag.ro/
2020-03-19T02:41:41 < doomba> if the black rectangles had only told people to buy more black rectangles instead of toilet paper...
2020-03-19T02:42:01 < jadew> qyx, probably that's why, they know it's coming and are trying to squeeze a bit more profit while they can
2020-03-19T02:42:25 < jadew> doomba, what black rectangles? I don't get the reference
2020-03-19T02:44:37 < doomba> jadew: the black rectangles that direct society
2020-03-19T02:44:44 < doomba> le smart fone
2020-03-19T02:44:51 < jadew> ah
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2020-03-19T04:34:53 < R2COM> huge majority of people are just uneducated animals
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2020-03-19T04:47:11 < kakimir> R2COM is super educated animal
2020-03-19T04:47:30 < kakimir> btw. google "solar punk"
2020-03-19T04:47:54 < kakimir> R2COM: you went to walmart and shitpaper was 404?
2020-03-19T04:49:36 < kakimir> how was your day?
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2020-03-19T06:10:04 < R2COM> kakimir i dont use toilet paper much cuz i wash my ass; im not a dirty american with shitty ass and greasy mouth and hands from french fries
2020-03-19T06:10:24 < R2COM> americans have very poor hygiene culture
2020-03-19T06:11:00 < R2COM> also i dont go to walmart, its a nigger store
2020-03-19T06:11:24 < dongs> lol
2020-03-19T06:13:31 < kakimir> finnish toilets all have bidet
2020-03-19T06:13:38 < kakimir> personally I don't use it
2020-03-19T06:13:55 < kakimir> whole ass is wet after that
2020-03-19T06:14:39 < kakimir> also I don't know how it removes anything without mechanical component
2020-03-19T06:16:19 < kakimir> if I wanted extra clean I would use combination of things
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2020-03-19T07:26:13 < dongs> waht
2020-03-19T07:27:09 < dongs> LMAO
2020-03-19T07:27:16 < dongs> i am watching this altidumb SEMINAR
2020-03-19T07:27:18 < dongs> and
2020-03-19T07:27:26 < dongs> presenter didnt know '2' keyboard shortcut
2020-03-19T07:27:31 < dongs> to switch from 3d to 2d view
2020-03-19T07:27:33 < dongs> what the fuck
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2020-03-19T07:27:50 < dongs> he was trying to poke at shit for a minute until i was like "PRESS 2" in chat
2020-03-19T07:27:56 < dongs> and he switched to 2d mode right away
2020-03-19T07:28:05 < jpa-> maybe he was more used to kicad
2020-03-19T07:28:18 < dongs> altium routing is worse than kikecad now
2020-03-19T07:28:27 < jpa-> that's an achievement
2020-03-19T07:50:42 < dongs> its completely fucking fucked god damn
2020-03-19T07:50:54 < dongs> they compltely fucked push n shove routing
2020-03-19T07:52:19 < rajkosto> why would they do such a thing
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2020-03-19T08:20:11 < jpa-> hehe, digikey value added products, estimated shipping: same day; then when i ordered, now it is "134 days"
2020-03-19T08:21:33 < ds2> what's the point of using altium? it is getting up to near orcad/allegro pricing
2020-03-19T08:22:06 < rajkosto> its much more user friendly than those
2020-03-19T08:23:46 < ds2> ?? i find eagle more userfriendly then altium but to be fair it has been a few decades since I touched it
2020-03-19T08:24:06 < ds2> eatting 3 days of schematic entries was teh last straw 
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2020-03-19T08:49:07 < dongs> 'eating'
2020-03-19T08:49:15 < dongs> eagle is absolute shit
2020-03-19T08:49:26 < dongs> altidumb is getting close to it in retarded shit tho
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2020-03-19T09:44:42 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/bDt/plain   where *actually* is this gcc default _start implementation coming from?
2020-03-19T09:44:51 < jpa-> i can't seem to find it in libgcc or newlib source code
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2020-03-19T09:49:03 < jpa-> never mind, it's in libgcc crt0.o, it's just somehow aliased with _mainCRTStartup so _start wasn't visible in objdump output, but was visible in nm
2020-03-19T09:49:28 < Steffanx> Yw
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2020-03-19T10:12:21 < ds2> for smaller stuff, eagle works pretty well, big stuff sure
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2020-03-19T10:25:47 < dongs> no way.
2020-03-19T10:26:00 < dongs> have you used it in the last 10 years
2020-03-19T10:26:07 < dongs> its been shittier and shittier ever since it was bought by autodesk
2020-03-19T10:27:34 < ds2> my comments are exclusively for preautodesk
2020-03-19T10:27:43 < ds2> as far ask I am concern, eagle died when autodesk acquired it.
2020-03-19T10:27:51 < ds2> as far as I mean
2020-03-19T10:28:07 < dongs> then they're irrelevant, its been shit before acquisition and got worse post
2020-03-19T10:28:47 < ds2> depends on what you are using it for... impedence controlled and other complex stuff, sure
2020-03-19T10:38:25 < jadew> karlp, did you find a service that does back drilled vias?
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2020-03-19T10:59:48 < Steffanx> want to know something about the deaths by COVID-19 in dutchland jadew? 75% of those that died werent on the ICU.
2020-03-19T10:59:53 < Steffanx> Just do with this info what you want :P
2020-03-19T11:00:13 < effractur> well mostly on there own choice
2020-03-19T11:00:17 < jadew> Steffanx, really? how did that happen?
2020-03-19T11:00:29 < jadew> they were taken by surprise or what?
2020-03-19T11:00:30 < effractur> did not want to be intubated
2020-03-19T11:00:30 < Steffanx> what effractur said.
2020-03-19T11:00:34 < effractur> old people
2020-03-19T11:00:38 < jadew> wtf...
2020-03-19T11:00:40 < jadew> why not?
2020-03-19T11:00:46 < effractur> there 80+
2020-03-19T11:00:49 < effractur> done with live
2020-03-19T11:00:52 < Steffanx> Why would you when youre about to die anyway
2020-03-19T11:00:57 < effractur> want to die in peace
2020-03-19T11:00:58 < jadew> so they said "oxygen? no thanks."
2020-03-19T11:01:15 < effractur> intubated is in artifical coma
2020-03-19T11:01:21 < jadew> oh
2020-03-19T11:01:38 < jadew> well, it's not for ever
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2020-03-19T11:01:44 < jadew> just until you get over this crap
2020-03-19T11:02:01 < effractur> even then you are quite weak 
2020-03-19T11:02:02 < jadew> interesting choice
2020-03-19T11:02:17 < effractur> it happens quite often
2020-03-19T11:02:20 < effractur> in NL at least
2020-03-19T11:02:21 < jadew> effractur, yeah, I'd still take my chances
2020-03-19T11:02:32 < Steffanx> i wouldnt. 
2020-03-19T11:02:32 < effractur> yea but your not 85+
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2020-03-19T11:03:24 < Steffanx> bad heart, just had 3 operations, 80-85+... then i would also be: nah fuck it.
2020-03-19T11:04:15 < Steffanx> I was just going, you're death rate numbers are influenced by choices like this. So how good is this number really? :P
2020-03-19T11:04:26 < Steffanx> *going to say
2020-03-19T11:04:28 < jadew> heh
2020-03-19T11:04:30 < Steffanx> damnit
2020-03-19T11:04:34 < Steffanx> *your
2020-03-19T11:04:47 < jadew> I don't know if that's that common in other places tbh
2020-03-19T11:04:47 < Steffanx> Im to distracted since i work from home.
2020-03-19T11:05:10 < jadew> it didn't even cross my mind that it would happen in such high numbers
2020-03-19T11:05:22 < jadew> you don't enjoy working from home?
2020-03-19T11:05:29 < effractur> it is in NL normal atleast to discuss the otions
2020-03-19T11:05:37 < effractur> if treatment is worth it
2020-03-19T11:06:01 < effractur> lot of htem also where at home and not in the hospital
2020-03-19T11:06:10 < Steffanx> Note: We "only" have 2k cases and 58 deaths. So its 75% of the 58 deaths.
2020-03-19T11:06:36 < jadew> still, a big percentage
2020-03-19T11:06:48 < Steffanx> Note 2: Those numbers are what the article said it was, i bet it changed already.
2020-03-19T11:06:52 < jadew> you might expect that if they were competing with other young people for those beds
2020-03-19T11:07:00 < jadew> then it might be an understandable position to take
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2020-03-19T11:08:02 < effractur> die with dignity is something a lot of people want in NL 
2020-03-19T11:08:20 < effractur> so they don't want to die intubated on an IC if they are old
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2020-03-19T11:11:18 < jadew> makes some sense I guess, but I still find it a bit strange that the percentage is so high
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2020-03-19T11:40:52 < jadew> Steffanx, by my estimate, you have close to 40k total cases in NL
2020-03-19T11:42:02 < jadew> assuming no strict measures in the past couple of weeks
2020-03-19T11:56:53 < mawk> how did you estimate
2020-03-19T11:56:58 < mawk> from the number of deaths ?
2020-03-19T11:57:04 < jadew> yeah
2020-03-19T11:57:37 < jadew> the phase delay from contacting the disease to death is ~ 22 days
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2020-03-19T11:57:49 < jadew> and I used a doubling time of 8 days (also based on the recent death statistics)
2020-03-19T11:58:15 < jadew> also, I assumed the death rate to be 1%
2020-03-19T11:58:24 < jadew> the number of cases would be lower if it is higher
2020-03-19T11:58:28 < mawk> 8 days ? how did you get to that ?
2020-03-19T11:58:32 < jadew> but I'm gonna go with 1%
2020-03-19T11:58:45 < jadew> mawk, I checked the doubling time of the number of deaths outside of china
2020-03-19T11:58:52 < mawk> in france they say 3 days
2020-03-19T11:58:58 < mawk> in NL dunno
2020-03-19T11:59:04 < jadew> who says that and based on what?
2020-03-19T11:59:17 < jadew> if they're looking at what they consider as active cases, that's just BS
2020-03-19T11:59:25 < jadew> it's entirely unreliable
2020-03-19T12:00:06 < mawk> some guys on national news
2020-03-19T12:00:09 < jadew> the 1% CFR is fairly reliable because of the south korean numbers and most importantly, the diamond princess ones
2020-03-19T12:01:41 < jadew> so I think that to calculate the number of total cases, in a country that hasn't employed quarantine measures, this is a fairly close estimate:
2020-03-19T12:01:53 < jadew> nr_of_deaths * 100 * 2^2.75
2020-03-19T12:03:57 < jadew> Spain for example, might get hit a lot worse than Italy
2020-03-19T12:04:12 < jadew> because I think they have more than 400k active cases right now
2020-03-19T12:04:29 < jadew> while Italy probably has only around 300k
2020-03-19T12:04:59 < jadew> and Spain is in a poor financial state too
2020-03-19T12:12:01 < jadew> also, it looks like my prediction for this month is going to be met
2020-03-19T12:12:11 < jadew> hopefully the one for next month, won't be
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2020-03-19T12:15:34 < jadew> if I'm right about this, then ~22 days from now Spain should have roughly 4000 deaths
2020-03-19T12:16:17 < jadew> so, on 10 April
2020-03-19T12:17:40 < mawk> what's your 2**2.75 ?
2020-03-19T12:18:01 < jadew> that accounts for the phase delay
2020-03-19T12:18:16 < jadew> total number of cases NOW, based on the total number of deaths NOW
2020-03-19T12:19:16 < jadew> so the calculation figures out how many total cases were 22 days ago, and then it doubles those 2.75 times, to account for those 22 days
2020-03-19T12:20:45 < jadew> I don't expect it to be extremely accurate, since doubling time is not accurate to the hour, and the CFR also has a bit of margin, as well as all the other variables
2020-03-19T12:21:09 < jadew> but I think I have more confidence in it than other ways of estimating things, by looking at active cases and all that
2020-03-19T12:23:18 < jadew> based on this formula, by the time you get the first death, statistically speaking, you should have about 600 total cases
2020-03-19T12:23:52 < jadew> the moment you have a couple more, you can figure out how much a particular country has the situation under control
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2020-03-19T12:31:37 < Steffanx> Hows your COVID-19 mawk?
2020-03-19T12:33:46 < mawk> if you know the margins you can compute error estimates jadew 
2020-03-19T12:33:51 < mawk> using partial derivatives
2020-03-19T12:33:58 < mawk> still feverous Steffanx 
2020-03-19T12:34:03 < mawk> but not coughing that much
2020-03-19T12:34:08 < mawk> probably not covid
2020-03-19T12:34:24 < mawk> or maybe and my ecigarette respirator prevents me from coughing, we never know
2020-03-19T12:35:55 < Steffanx> Did you quarantine yourself?
2020-03-19T12:36:36 < mawk> yes
2020-03-19T12:36:38 < mawk> stuck in the home
2020-03-19T12:38:02 < jadew> mawk, how long have you had the fever for?
2020-03-19T12:38:05 < jadew> did it break at all?
2020-03-19T12:38:10 < mawk> since last friday
2020-03-19T12:38:12 < mawk> break ?
2020-03-19T12:38:22 < mawk> it's fluctuating
2020-03-19T12:38:44 < mawk> small fever for a long time, and "high" fever peaks
2020-03-19T12:39:31 < jadew> when did you get the first symptoms?
2020-03-19T12:39:37 < mawk> friday as well
2020-03-19T12:39:48 < mawk> one minute I was doing fine, then the minute after big headache
2020-03-19T12:39:53 < mawk> then the evening fever started
2020-03-19T12:40:16 < mawk> then I laid down in the dark and took shitton of paracetamol, and it became bearable
2020-03-19T12:40:43 < jadew> heard about ibuprofen, right?
2020-03-19T12:40:47 < mawk> but since this is pretty much the only symptom I have it's probably not corona
2020-03-19T12:40:49 < mawk> yeah
2020-03-19T12:40:51 < jadew> that you shouldn't take anti-inflamatories
2020-03-19T12:40:53 < mawk> french government said to not take it
2020-03-19T12:40:53 < jadew> cool
2020-03-19T12:41:00 < mawk> but I knew beforehand
2020-03-19T12:43:35 < Steffanx> Is that story even confirmed? The no NSAID story.  
2020-03-19T12:43:36 < Steffanx> https://www.bbc.com/news/51929628
2020-03-19T12:43:48 < Steffanx> "There has been no research into ibuprofen and the new coronavirus (Covid-19).".
2020-03-19T12:43:57 < Steffanx> "But there has been some for other respiratory infections, suggesting ibuprofen is linked to more complications and more severe illness - although we don't know that the ibuprofen itself is causing this, according to Paul Little, a"
2020-03-19T12:43:59 < mawk> no research between the virus and NSAIDs
2020-03-19T12:43:59 < Steffanx> there we go.
2020-03-19T12:44:04 < mawk> but for other infections yes
2020-03-19T12:44:26 < Steffanx> True that.
2020-03-19T12:45:14 < jadew> I just got a hold of the treatment schedule used at the main hospital in Romania, dealing with this
2020-03-19T12:45:25 < jadew> and for the critical cases, they do use anti-inflamatories
2020-03-19T12:50:49 < mawk> if it's necessary of course they give it
2020-03-19T12:59:40 < jadew> mawk, apparently it's often required in those cases
2020-03-19T13:01:04 < jadew> that document says that both the chinese and the italians are using them for patients with ARDS
2020-03-19T13:01:33 < mawk> a
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2020-03-19T13:04:24 < jadew> in Italy, it says they give them dexamethasone after 24 hours since they were diagnosed with ARDS
2020-03-19T13:09:06 < englishman> Day 2 of Corona Lockdown: I haven't left my house in 3 months
2020-03-19T13:09:39  * karlp laughs
2020-03-19T13:10:10 < karlp> jadew: I'd never even heard of back drilled vias, so I didn't need them, so no, I didnt' find anyone advertising it.
2020-03-19T13:10:22 < karlp> I've never even noticed it as an option on anything cheap :)
2020-03-19T13:10:34 < jadew> me neither, but it looks interesting
2020-03-19T13:12:27 < jpa-> http://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/via_drill.jpg http://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/vdd_short.png   i once had a circuit that didn't work properly until I back drilled the pin 8 via ;)
2020-03-19T13:12:49 < englishman> lol
2020-03-19T13:13:05 < dongs> blame kikecad
2020-03-19T13:13:08 < dongs> for this kinda symbol
2020-03-19T13:13:11 < dongs> who teh fuck would make that
2020-03-19T13:13:21 < jpa-> yeah, i stole it from some random github repo
2020-03-19T13:13:29 < englishman> that's what you deserve
2020-03-19T13:13:33 < jpa-> guaranteed quality, designed by kicad professionals
2020-03-19T13:13:40 < dongs> what the hell part is taht anywaY?
2020-03-19T13:13:43 < dongs> that pins 1-8 are gnd
2020-03-19T13:13:49 < jpa-> dongs: some bluetooth module
2020-03-19T13:13:52 < dongs> ooh
2020-03-19T13:14:09 < jadew> jpa-, but it looks like the short was done in the schematic, not in the symbol :P
2020-03-19T13:14:18 < dongs> ...
2020-03-19T13:14:30 < dongs> yeah but look how easy it is to make that mistake, cuz its drawn like a piece of shit
2020-03-19T13:14:38 < jadew> yeah, that's true
2020-03-19T13:14:42 < jpa-> jadew: yeah, and the symbol follows the pin layout of the chip, so it is not completely crazy, even though i don't prefer that kind of symbols myself
2020-03-19T13:14:49 < Steffanx> lol dongs' ragings are still in progress.
2020-03-19T13:15:06 < Steffanx> Did you rage at the atlium guy yet?
2020-03-19T13:19:08 < mawk> my crickets are singing
2020-03-19T13:19:20 < mawk> if the pet shop is closed my spider will die
2020-03-19T13:19:26 < mawk> I don't know where else to find crickets
2020-03-19T13:20:19 < Steffanx> heh
2020-03-19T13:21:18 < jadew> you can let it loose in the woods
2020-03-19T13:21:40 < doomba> feed your crickets to your bats for wuhan restaurant
2020-03-19T13:23:07 < mawk> lol
2020-03-19T13:23:14 < zyp> sup? how's virusing?
2020-03-19T13:23:21 < doomba> oh we all good here zyp !
2020-03-19T13:23:24 < mawk> my virus culture is doing fine
2020-03-19T13:23:25 < dongs> sup zyp are you going to be able to go back to norgay
2020-03-19T13:23:29  * doomba opens up Virus Creation Lab for MS-DOS.
2020-03-19T13:23:30 < dongs> or are you stuck in japan 4 life
2020-03-19T13:23:35 < doomba> we makin viriisus!!!
2020-03-19T13:24:04 < zyp> dongs, dunno, planning to wait and see
2020-03-19T13:26:37 < dongs> zyp have you routed anything in altidumb20 lately
2020-03-19T13:26:42 < dongs> or is your work still stuck on 18/19
2020-03-19T13:27:30 < zyp> my work outsourced pcb stuff, I'm doing software
2020-03-19T13:28:00 < zyp> the altium license I got is from my old work, which is stuck on 15
2020-03-19T13:28:00 < dongs> ya but dont you route stuff for fun
2020-03-19T13:28:03 < dongs> ah
2020-03-19T13:28:23 < zyp> although did you see the tweet the other day?
2020-03-19T13:28:43 < zyp> .no altium dealer called me up about the license, wanted to offer me AD20 update for like 1k EUR
2020-03-19T13:29:24 < dongs> there's not a lot I like in 20 and a lot i DON'T like
2020-03-19T13:30:08 < dongs> https://www.twitch.tv/videos/569733707 check out this aids from yesterday
2020-03-19T13:30:45 < dongs> traces dont move, wehn they do, tehy fuck other traces all togheter etc
2020-03-19T13:30:55 < dongs> it adds additional bends/shit into stuff without asking
2020-03-19T13:31:04 < dongs> impossible to snap stuff together to the clearance rule
2020-03-19T13:31:39 < zyp> fun
2020-03-19T13:31:53 < jpa-> hey, kicad has that feature also, i bet they've stolen it
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2020-03-19T13:33:19 < dongs> like at 3:00 when it tries to add those kinks into the fucking simple trace
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2020-03-19T13:33:27 < zyp> I often find it preferrable to just redraw tracks rather than pulling them around when I want to move them
2020-03-19T13:33:28 < dongs> and theres no way to make it straight
2020-03-19T13:33:42 < dongs> yes, but thats exactly waht im talking about here
2020-03-19T13:33:46 < zyp> the loop removal shit works well
2020-03-19T13:33:48 < dongs> at 3:00 it keeps snapping to bullshit
2020-03-19T13:33:58 < dongs> and i cant even make a normal 45" angle shit out of pad into line
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2020-03-19T13:34:23 < zyp> hit space?
2020-03-19T13:34:28 < dongs> i did
2020-03-19T13:34:30 < dongs> i am NOT that dumb
2020-03-19T13:34:40 < dongs> i know of the direction inversion stuff.
2020-03-19T13:34:56 < zyp> so they fucked up some shit
2020-03-19T13:34:57 < zyp> fun
2020-03-19T13:35:06 < dongs> yes, like all of routing
2020-03-19T13:35:26 < zyp> good thing I can't afford AD20
2020-03-19T13:36:57 < dongs> they added that new anyangle push and shove shit
2020-03-19T13:37:06 < dongs> when you drag something and it makes topor-esque lines
2020-03-19T13:38:25 < dongs> oh well
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2020-03-19T14:51:01 < qyx> find a cat https://bin.jvnv.net/file/Oq8CX.JPG
2020-03-19T14:51:53 < mawk> easy
2020-03-19T14:52:02 < mawk> how old is he ?
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2020-03-19T14:59:24 < Cracki> my bet is around a year
2020-03-19T15:01:26 < qyx> idk, I see it for the first time
2020-03-19T15:02:18 < Cracki> pspspsps
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2020-03-19T15:06:48 < englishman> kitty quarantine
2020-03-19T15:08:31 < jpa-> eh, I didn't know -ffast-math makes isnan() just return false always  https://godbolt.org/z/45NqSK
2020-03-19T15:10:14 < Cracki> can fast math ops even generate nans?
2020-03-19T15:11:54 < jpa-> hardware fpu surely does
2020-03-19T15:15:58 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: imx8 should be getting relatively solid support in upstream Linux
2020-03-19T15:17:42 < Cracki> so that means nan propagation without detection
2020-03-19T15:20:07 < Cracki> so it's the programmer's job to ensure those values can not occur anywhere
2020-03-19T15:25:03 < jpa-> yeah, removing isnan() is just the same kind of fuck-you optimization as removing   if (!pointer) return error;   when undefined behavior occurs somewhere 
2020-03-19T15:30:09 < aandrew> haha yes, yes it is
2020-03-19T15:30:38 < aandrew> with NAN though won't math using NANs propagate nicely instead of exploding?
2020-03-19T15:30:48 < aandrew> i.e. NAN+3 = NAN, exp(NAN,-3) = NAN?
2020-03-19T15:30:54 < jpa-> only until you convert to integer
2020-03-19T15:32:13 < zyp> depends what your definition of nicely is
2020-03-19T15:33:36 < tomeaton17> ur nan
2020-03-19T15:35:22 < zyp> coworker made some logging/graphing shit in matlab which have been working fine for a long time, and then suddenly we got some graphs where some of the lines stopped like a third of the way into the plot
2020-03-19T15:36:29 < zyp> turned out we suddenly had some nan values in the data, and some of the lines had some sort of IIR filter
2020-03-19T15:36:43 < zyp> so once it hit a nan in the data, the rest of that line also became nan
2020-03-19T15:37:33 < zyp> (while the right thing to do would be to simply discard that sample)
2020-03-19T15:38:05 < Cracki> yay
2020-03-19T15:38:39 < Cracki> or see if a FIR can do the job well enough
2020-03-19T15:40:14 < zyp> IIRC it was a super lazy filter like 0.99*prev + 0.01*sample or some shit
2020-03-19T15:41:48 < aandrew> yeah input sanitation should have been done
2020-03-19T15:43:00 < zyp> the whole matlab stuff and data analysis and whatever isn't really my job, I'm mainly doing lower level stuff, so I don't care too much about that
2020-03-19T15:43:07 < Cracki> matlab can do gaussian lowpass for you, even with nan handling
2020-03-19T15:43:23 < aandrew> $ curl https://corona-stats.online/CA
2020-03-19T15:43:36 < zyp> I think they revised the filtering code later
2020-03-19T15:45:27 < mawk> lol aandrew 
2020-03-19T15:46:27 < Cracki> I'd like to trade corona stock
2020-03-19T15:46:29 < mawk> should use text/plain content-type tho
2020-03-19T15:46:41 < Cracki> numbers going up means good things
2020-03-19T15:49:11 < karlp> hrm, that corona-stats.online reports a death in iceland, which we've not claimed
2020-03-19T15:49:25 < karlp> cute though
2020-03-19T15:49:55 < karlp> says it was updated 40 minutes ago though, so must be updating from somewhere central, not from national reporting individually
2020-03-19T15:51:02 < Steffanx> the end of iceland is near.
2020-03-19T16:04:33 < karlp> hardly.
2020-03-19T16:20:57 < doomba> Wuhan Bat Flavor Bouillon 8 cubes 3.1 oz 88g | Fast Ship $2.99
2020-03-19T16:22:11 < aandrew> lol
2020-03-19T16:31:50 < doomba> https://brrr.money
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2020-03-19T16:38:36 < jpa-> meh, my code is full of + and - and * and / signs and i have to throw dice for each one to try and get them into correct places
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2020-03-19T16:52:21 < mawk> can I make up words like in german Steffanx ?
2020-03-19T16:52:24 < mawk> what do you think of coronahoer ?
2020-03-19T16:57:13 < englishman> lol this competitor website from .nl is straight out of 1999
2020-03-19T16:57:48 < englishman> spinning powered by SGI logo
2020-03-19T16:59:35 < englishman> email link has #nospam# in it
2020-03-19T17:01:51 < emeb> jpa-: isn't that basically the way machine learning works?
2020-03-19T17:02:10 < emeb> throw a bunch of math into a bucket and stir until you get the results you want
2020-03-19T17:11:12 < zyp> yup
2020-03-19T17:14:42 < Steffanx> Depends. Do you want to call your mother a Coronahoer, mawk?
2020-03-19T17:15:25 < karlp> bleh, downlooad 8gig vmware disk image.
2020-03-19T17:15:39 < Steffanx> mawk: Anyway, yes you can
2020-03-19T17:15:40 < karlp> convert to qcow2, 13gig.
2020-03-19T17:16:05 < karlp> make a blank image using that as a backing file, fire up windows, run an app, close it down, 8gig in the diff file 
2020-03-19T17:16:18 < karlp> ah well, works at least.
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2020-03-19T17:22:41 < Laurenceb> wtf
2020-03-19T17:22:48 < Laurenceb> rice at £34/kg on amazon
2020-03-19T17:23:28 < specing>  Haha
2020-03-19T17:23:54  * karlp ponders how the uk ended up with just no food.
2020-03-19T17:33:39 < englishman> totally not brexit
2020-03-19T17:41:43 < Laurenceb> THEY want us to believe Coronavirus is round
2020-03-19T17:41:53 < Laurenceb> THEY also want us to believe the world is round
2020-03-19T17:42:05 < Laurenceb> coincidence? I think not
2020-03-19T17:43:54 < Laurenceb> > the actual death toll from the virus would be closer to 4 million Americans
2020-03-19T17:44:01 < Laurenceb> wtf I love Coronavirus now
2020-03-19T17:49:31 < BrainDamage> went shopping
2020-03-19T17:49:39 < BrainDamage> rice, pasta, etc was well stocked
2020-03-19T17:49:47 < BrainDamage> fresh bread completely empty
2020-03-19T17:49:51 < BrainDamage> and so was flour
2020-03-19T17:51:00 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: did you know the steam rocket limo driver died?
2020-03-19T17:51:10 < Laurenceb> old news
2020-03-19T17:51:28 < Laurenceb> keek
2020-03-19T17:51:42 < Laurenceb> >uk pupils will receive exam results using "estimation"
2020-03-19T17:51:44 < Laurenceb> my sides
2020-03-19T17:51:45 < BrainDamage> practice social distancing, join irc today
2020-03-19T17:51:47 < emeb> BrainDamage: I did shopping on Tues - plenty of fresh fruit/veg, canned goods, frozen foods. But things I did not see: meat, flour, pasta, dried beans.
2020-03-19T17:51:50 < Laurenceb>  /dev/rand
2020-03-19T17:51:56 < Laurenceb> is ur grade
2020-03-19T17:53:52 < PaulFertser> When I was examining students I let them press "enter" on my notebook to fetch the next word from /dev/urandom to be used as the exam question number. Some were pressing shift multiple times prior to that, some messed with the touchpad (to influence the kernel rng). Some just pressed Enter right away.
2020-03-19T17:53:56 < specing> flour is almost sold out here as well, but the rest seems well stocked
2020-03-19T17:54:04 < specing> and I was there like 10 mins before closing
2020-03-19T17:56:54 < emeb> I guess this means that most people still like their gluten.
2020-03-19T17:58:07 < englishman> BrainDamage: here, fresh bread was well stocked, it was the shitty stale extruded cheap sandwich bread that was out
2020-03-19T17:58:16 < PaulFertser> Here people are buying buckwheat.
2020-03-19T17:59:39 < emeb> mmm... soba noodles
2020-03-19T18:00:13 < Cracki> did you fail those that were superstitious?
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2020-03-19T18:00:42 < PaulFertser> Cracki: nope, I was usually telling them I'm not the one to judge, "the compiler" is.
2020-03-19T18:01:49 < PaulFertser> Also, doing meaningless things is sometimes an artistic performance rather than actual superstition.
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2020-03-19T19:01:37 < qyx> PaulFertser: hows your Moscow COVID patients, I read something about them running from the hospital
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2020-03-19T19:20:39 < PaulFertser> qyx: yes, there were few cases like that, it's unclear what exactly happened but it doesn't seem to affect anything much.
2020-03-19T19:23:02 < Hamilton> Do any of you guys use i3wm? I'm wasting time like crazy to get the basic functoinalities like sound control, brightness control, themes running
2020-03-19T19:23:36 < PaulFertser> Haha, how is that basic of _window management_?
2020-03-19T19:23:54 < PaulFertser> I just have alsamixer in a popup-window on my xmonad.
2020-03-19T19:24:26  * Hamilton Meanwhile PaulFertser looks at his Gento+that_Haskell_based_wm and murmors : kidz these days
2020-03-19T19:25:11 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, How's the things are up there in Russia?
2020-03-19T19:25:37 < PaulFertser> No, I didn't think anything about kids. I thought about how "theme" is an odd concept when all my decorations is a one-pixel wide red line around the focused window.
2020-03-19T19:26:01 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, :D the gtk apps themes 
2020-03-19T19:26:46 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: idk about the whole russia but in moscow people are preparing for quarantine measures, schools soon to be closed, etc. All public transport still works, the official claim it's safe thanks to air sterilisation in newer metro trains etc.
2020-03-19T19:27:35 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, yeah seems like somehow very cold/very hot climates got away with it
2020-03-19T19:28:15 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: there're no obvious signs of the overloading of our medical system currently. And some even claim that wide spread of tuberculosis made our hospitals better prepared for SARS patients.   
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2020-03-19T19:28:41 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: it's not nearly cold here, it was a very warm winter.
2020-03-19T19:30:27 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, 😃
2020-03-19T19:30:48 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: many businesses have already switched to remote work
2020-03-19T19:31:14 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, 10$ oil when?
2020-03-19T19:31:56 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: russia is so stupid :( this oil drop made ruble (russian currency) drop enormously, and it's likely not the deepest point.
2020-03-19T19:32:14 < Hamilton> I don't know how hard will this price hit Iran since they are not selling that much...guess the petrol price would plummet at least 
2020-03-19T19:33:07 < PaulFertser> In russia petrol price always rises, regardless of the oil prices trends :/
2020-03-19T19:33:16 < Hamilton> :D
2020-03-19T19:35:40 < Mangy_Dog>  https://youtu.be/XPhDH62EZmA   <<< Just uploaded. Part 1 of my working stargate miniature project WOOOOOOOO.... Dont get excited only part 1 still got tons of work to do....
2020-03-19T19:35:52 < Steffanx> in dutchland prices were lower. a whopping 1.5 cents/litre. 
2020-03-19T19:36:08 < Steffanx> And now i cannot benifit from it because i dont have to drive to work.
2020-03-19T19:37:02 < jpa-> 1.5 cents/litre? that's some cheap fuel!
2020-03-19T19:37:06 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: are you allowed to drive for fun?
2020-03-19T19:37:14 < Steffanx> Yes
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2020-03-19T19:37:25 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: in Germany they have a law kinda prohibiting that.
2020-03-19T19:37:29 < Steffanx> But .. there is no fun in randomly driving around
2020-03-19T19:37:32 < PaulFertser> So you're lucky ;)
2020-03-19T19:37:42 < PaulFertser> Some find it fun.
2020-03-19T19:39:47 < PaulFertser> Riding without purpose is a bit more fun than driving.
2020-03-19T19:40:14 < Hamilton> Not every wanderer is lost
2020-03-19T19:40:51 < Steffanx> I bet i would doing it on a bike much more PaulFertser
2020-03-19T19:41:04 < Steffanx> *be doing and liking
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2020-03-19T19:42:05  * jpa- imagines Steffanx doing it on a bike
2020-03-19T19:42:07 < qyx> Steffanx: 1.5 eurocents?
2020-03-19T19:42:19 < Steffanx> yes
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2020-03-19T19:42:23 < Steffanx> qyx.
2020-03-19T19:42:24 < qyx> per liter?
2020-03-19T19:42:31 < Steffanx> Yes qyx
2020-03-19T19:42:33 < qyx> of what?
2020-03-19T19:42:47 < Steffanx> diesel.
2020-03-19T19:42:48 < PaulFertser> That's hard to believe what you say Steffanx , there must be a mistake somewhere.
2020-03-19T19:43:05 < Steffanx> You did understand i said it was 1.5 cents lower, didnt you qyx?
2020-03-19T19:43:13 < englishman> jpa- found a bug in nanopb.
2020-03-19T19:43:25 < qyx> Steffanx: no, lol
2020-03-19T19:43:35 < jpa-> englishman: oh noses
2020-03-19T19:43:42 < englishman> in the windows executable --help, --nanopb_out switch isn't listed.
2020-03-19T19:43:46 < Steffanx> lol, fooled ya qyx :P
2020-03-19T19:44:11 < jpa-> englishman: in protoc? yeah, i don't think there is a way to get it listed, it works by protoc's plugin mechanism
2020-03-19T19:44:20 < englishman> oh. gay
2020-03-19T19:44:28 < englishman> feature not bug
2020-03-19T19:44:47 < jpa-> with 0.4.1 just use   nanopb_generator foo.proto   and let it call protoc for you
2020-03-19T19:44:51 < Steffanx> What is hard to believe PaulFertser?
2020-03-19T19:45:25 < englishman> oh cool
2020-03-19T19:45:41 < englishman> in that case can you update the readme :)
2020-03-19T19:45:49 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: that the cost 1.5 c/L but now we see where misunderstanding was. I think you missed "By" there.
2020-03-19T19:46:34 < Steffanx> nah, you guys just misintepreted it. 
2020-03-19T19:46:37 < englishman> 1.5 cents per litre
2020-03-19T19:46:40 < jpa-> englishman: good point, looks like i've updated other docs but not readme
2020-03-19T19:46:42 < Steffanx> *misinterpreted
2020-03-19T19:47:01 < englishman> how do you misinterpret cents/litre
2020-03-19T19:47:28 < englishman> thanks jpa-
2020-03-19T19:47:36 < englishman> nanopb rules!
2020-03-19T19:47:52 < englishman> 🤘
2020-03-19T19:49:25 < Steffanx> Yes yes, next time I will be more clear, englishman. So there can be no misunderstanding what so ever.
2020-03-19T19:49:39 < englishman> 94 c/l here today
2020-03-19T19:49:50 < Steffanx> What are the nanopb rules englishman?
2020-03-19T19:49:55 < englishman> or .61 yuro
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2020-03-19T19:50:45 < Steffanx> The price here is around 1.28 per liter. That is around 1.5 cents lower than before this new oil price drop.
2020-03-19T19:50:56 < Steffanx> 1.28 euro bucks.
2020-03-19T19:51:32 < specing> I think governments should keep increasing the tariffs
2020-03-19T19:51:46 < specing> both to cover coronavirus response and to make people go to renawables
2020-03-19T19:51:56 < Steffanx> Yes and when everyone goes electric increase the prices on electricity.
2020-03-19T19:51:59 < Steffanx> perfect solution.
2020-03-19T19:52:21 < Steffanx> and keep burning coal.
2020-03-19T19:52:22 < Steffanx> and gas
2020-03-19T19:52:43 < specing> yes
2020-03-19T19:52:55 < specing> but by that time the gas price will already be ridiculously high
2020-03-19T19:53:46 < Steffanx> And Ada will all be forgotten by that time
2020-03-19T19:53:56 < englishman> surely dutchland has enough windmills and little boys with the fingers in dikes to power all the electric cars with wooden tires
2020-03-19T19:55:15 < jpa-> englishman: readme updated
2020-03-19T19:55:28 < jpa-> Steffanx: nanopb rules are: bloatier by every version
2020-03-19T19:55:50 < englishman> tyvm
2020-03-19T19:56:18 < Steffanx> jpa-: Yes, that is wat i noticed. People are unhappy with you, you know.
2020-03-19T19:56:43 < Steffanx> what
2020-03-19T19:58:51 < jpa-> Steffanx: i know
2020-03-19T19:59:01 < jpa-> Steffanx: it keeps me awake every night
2020-03-19T19:59:51 < Steffanx> Solution: Stop releasing new versions.
2020-03-19T20:00:27 < jpa-> i tried that but they were still unhappy
2020-03-19T20:00:45 < jpa-> 2 billion users generate quite a bit of hate
2020-03-19T20:00:58 < englishman> jpa-: nanopb_generator doesn't work lol
2020-03-19T20:01:03 < englishman> but protoc does
2020-03-19T20:01:10 < jpa-> englishman: hehe :)
2020-03-19T20:01:37 < jpa-> englishman: file an issue report :)
2020-03-19T20:01:47 < englishman> yeah I will
2020-03-19T20:01:49 < englishman> lol
2020-03-19T20:02:00 < englishman> now your readme says to do something that doesn't work
2020-03-19T20:02:01 < Steffanx> More issues every day -_-
2020-03-19T20:02:25 < englishman> is it something compiled with every release? the modified date is 2013
2020-03-19T20:03:06 < jpa-> englishman: modified date of what?
2020-03-19T20:03:21 < englishman> nanopb_generator.exe
2020-03-19T20:03:54 < BrainDamage> specing: our fuel still has WWII war taxes
2020-03-19T20:04:30 < specing> BrainDamage: yeah, taxes are hard to remove once they are in place
2020-03-19T20:04:32 < BrainDamage> adding unrelated taxes doesn't work because as the need is gone, the money just gets repourposed
2020-03-19T20:04:46 < specing> BrainDamage: we still have 2008 financial crisis VAT +2% increase
2020-03-19T20:06:24 < englishman> Canada income tax was a WWI temporary measure
2020-03-19T20:06:42 < jpa-> englishman: probably an effect of the python-to-exe converter
2020-03-19T20:07:01 < Cracki> Mangy_Dog, that is some incredible production quality. I'm surprised no tv/movie production company has picked you up, or even industrial design places
2020-03-19T20:08:32 < Mangy_Dog> its not for a lack of trying
2020-03-19T20:18:58 < PaulFertser> Hamilton: "Not every wanderer is lost" <- this sounds surprisingly (for this channel) poetic.
2020-03-19T20:19:16 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, lol
2020-03-19T20:19:34 < Hamilton> PaulFertser, I thinks it is from Bilbow character in Hobbit 
2020-03-19T20:21:04 < Hamilton> All that glisters is not gold—
2020-03-19T20:21:04 < Hamilton> Often have you heard that told.
2020-03-19T20:21:04 < Hamilton> Many a man his life hath sold
2020-03-19T20:21:04 < Hamilton> But my outside to behold.
2020-03-19T20:21:04 < Hamilton> Gilded tombs do worms enfold.
2020-03-19T20:21:05 < Hamilton> Had you been as wise as bold,
2020-03-19T20:21:07 < Hamilton> Young in limbs, in judgment old,
2020-03-19T20:21:09 < Hamilton> Your answer had not been inscrolled
2020-03-19T20:21:11 < Hamilton> Fare you well. Your suit is cold—
2020-03-19T20:21:13 < Hamilton> Cold, indeed, and labor lost
2020-03-19T20:22:39 < qyx> karlp: did you respect that 120uF requirement on downstream ports?
2020-03-19T20:22:41 < qyx> what with?
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2020-03-19T20:45:34 < boddax> whole family 4 people in quarantine next house of mine
2020-03-19T20:52:24 < PaulFertser> Mangy_Dog: such a fine video in so many aspects. You're doing amazing job indeed.
2020-03-19T20:54:22 < englishman> got a TE datasheet corrected
2020-03-19T20:54:34 < englishman> The fucking pinout was wrong
2020-03-19T20:54:39 < specing> ahhaha
2020-03-19T20:55:06 < jpa-> Mangy_Dog: once it works, where will you travel?
2020-03-19T20:55:19 < srk> aaa, stargate <3
2020-03-19T20:56:00 < BrainDamage> it's our duty as species to try to make our plagues bridge all biological gaps possible, including interplanetary ones
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2020-03-19T21:28:07 < qyx> is this ok https://i.imgur.com/ds93TOg.png
2020-03-19T21:28:15 < qyx> connecting USB shield with a capacitor on the host side?
2020-03-19T21:28:35 < qyx> no ferrite beads, no CM choke, meh
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2020-03-19T21:29:42 < qyx> silabs USB design guidelines say ferrite beads should be on VBUS, GND and shield
2020-03-19T21:34:30 < qyx> cypress says connect shield with a resistor on the device side
2020-03-19T21:34:42 < qyx> smsc says connect shield with a cap on the device side
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2020-03-19T22:04:19 < doomba> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQM__8Jn978
2020-03-19T22:11:33 < Mangy_Dog> WHOLT FUCK!
2020-03-19T22:11:45 < Mangy_Dog> also that was loud
2020-03-19T22:11:58 < Mangy_Dog> the electronics in the cistern
2020-03-19T22:12:03 < Mangy_Dog> should have given it away
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2020-03-19T22:15:38 < karlp> qyx: I thought it was that downstream wasn't allowed to be more htan 500uF?
2020-03-19T22:15:41  * karlp will recheck.
2020-03-19T22:15:52 < karlp> have 100uF on each downstream after the switches
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2020-03-19T22:16:34 < karlp> I went with tieing all the shields together, and then to ground with a cap and resistor in one point.
2020-03-19T22:16:54 < karlp> gotta be careful to read docs on being host side/hub side, not device side.
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2020-03-19T22:20:34 < karlp> qyx: here's teh current schematic: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/ACYV0/usb-test-harness.pdf
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2020-03-19T22:23:42 < mawk> I made a tweet mass exporter/deleter script
2020-03-19T22:23:53 < mawk> to escape the thought police
2020-03-19T22:25:45 < Cracki> does it use oauth or account pw?
2020-03-19T22:26:03 < mawk> oauth
2020-03-19T22:26:07 < Cracki> can you feed it with the twadder archive so it can get all the tweets? the api seems limited to 3200 tweets
2020-03-19T22:26:17 < mawk> limited to 3200 yes
2020-03-19T22:26:21 < mawk> otherwise you need to pay twitter
2020-03-19T22:26:24 < Cracki> so you did bother registering an app with them? last time I bothered, they took 6 months to get back to me
2020-03-19T22:26:34 < mawk> but once you delete the first 3200 I guess you have the next 3200 and so on so it's fine for deletion
2020-03-19T22:26:36 < Cracki> you don't need to pay twitter, you just have to download "your data"
2020-03-19T22:26:38 < mawk> yeah I registered an app
2020-03-19T22:26:41 < mawk> it was instant
2020-03-19T22:26:43 < Cracki> there's a js with all the tweets in there
2020-03-19T22:26:56 < mawk> because I said I wouldn't use it for data analysis, publishing twitter data, etc etc
2020-03-19T22:27:04 < Cracki> heh
2020-03-19T22:27:30 < mawk> my script gives a URL you have to visit, then that url is on twitter's site and gives a PIN code you give back to my script
2020-03-19T22:27:41 < mawk> and using that PIN I get an access token which is valid forever
2020-03-19T22:27:44 < Cracki> all I do with twitter is collect graphs. I have followers and followings on >10k accounts
2020-03-19T22:27:50 < mawk> that's how you do offline/out of band tools
2020-03-19T22:27:56 < mawk> nice
2020-03-19T22:29:11 < karlp> Cracki: what do you use it for?
2020-03-19T22:29:45 < mawk> Cracki: https://paste.serveur.io/HqNhkx1Y.py
2020-03-19T22:29:52 < mawk> for now it just prints and exports to csv
2020-03-19T22:29:58 < Cracki> :)
2020-03-19T22:30:02 < mawk> then I'll arrange the csv to mark tweets I want out, and reimport it
2020-03-19T22:30:13 < mawk> and delete them
2020-03-19T22:30:21 < Cracki> oh, right, python has this pathlib thing. I might have to look into that, now that I see it
2020-03-19T22:30:33 < mawk> it's cool stuff
2020-03-19T22:30:42 < Cracki> nicer than os.path.join
2020-03-19T22:31:12 < mawk> the script could work on windows I guess, but on windows the rename trick for file atomicity doesn't work
2020-03-19T22:32:01 < Cracki> why would you need that for credentials
2020-03-19T22:32:09 < Cracki> anything accessing those concurrently?
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2020-03-19T22:34:46 < Cracki> their developer application pipeline looks actually usable
2020-03-19T22:35:22 < Cracki> last time I tried, it was freeform text over email or sth like that
2020-03-19T22:37:25 < mawk> just good practice
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2020-03-19T22:37:49 < mawk> but I guess if the thing you're writing is less than 4k or whatever the write is atomic
2020-03-19T22:37:54 < mawk> not extra sure
2020-03-19T22:38:02 < mawk> the danger is interleaving on concurrent write
2020-03-19T22:38:42 < mawk> maybe in truncate mode
2020-03-19T22:41:27 < Cracki> if you absolutely want to make sure that nobody ever opens that file and finds it in an inconsistent state, then this atomic stuff is right
2020-03-19T22:42:56 < Cracki> i've had some zero byte files before with things. that's always disappointing.
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2020-03-19T22:47:21 < Cracki> shutil.move can replace an existing file on windows
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2020-03-19T22:49:30 < Cracki> contradicts docs that say "If the destination already exists but is not a directory, it may be overwritten depending on os.rename() semantics."
2020-03-19T22:49:47 < Cracki> os.rename would fail on windows. shutil.move did not when I tried it just now
2020-03-19T22:52:25 < Steffanx> Good day jly
2020-03-19T22:52:45 < jly> hello kumpel
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2020-03-19T22:53:20 < Steffanx> Good day catphish
2020-03-19T22:53:30 < jly> welcome
2020-03-19T22:54:27 < catphish> g'day
2020-03-19T22:54:34 < catphish> although actually today is shit
2020-03-19T22:55:25 < Steffanx> Mangy_Dog:  cant you use something like this to move that thing of your stargate gate? https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/4000111106606.html or is it to slow/large?
2020-03-19T22:55:55 < Steffanx> (i call it a "thing"  because i have to admit i never watched stargate)
2020-03-19T22:56:08 < Steffanx> Why catphish. Are all of the stores out of stock?
2020-03-19T22:56:25 < karlp> qyx: bleh, just read the 120uF.
2020-03-19T22:56:30 < karlp> bulllllshit, but ok, maybe.
2020-03-19T22:57:04 < karlp> doh, lcsc cart timed out
2020-03-19T22:58:19 < karlp> pretty sure I'm going to say, yolo, 100uF per port is better than heaps of other hubs anyway....
2020-03-19T22:59:05 < PaulFertser> Mangy_Dog: btw, I might have misunderstood that but why didn't you cut part of those springs to make them shorter but more preloaded when installed in place?
2020-03-19T22:59:17 < qyx> karlp: classic electrolytic?
2020-03-19T22:59:29 < karlp> yar, 
2020-03-19T22:59:30 < qyx> I pciked up some polymer, idk if actually suitable
2020-03-19T22:59:47 < karlp> not sure I can be arsed adding more really.
2020-03-19T23:00:41 < karlp> I could probably double them all, but...
2020-03-19T23:01:13 < catphish> Steffanx: 1) the server migration i've been planning for the last 2 weeks has just been cancelled due to people not knowing if they can travel or not, i've got to start over, and nobody knows what's going to happen, making planning impossible 2) my cat seems to be dying
2020-03-19T23:01:31 < qyx> karlp: I also added this :S https://i.imgur.com/RVE2T1O.png
2020-03-19T23:01:48 < karlp> could put 220uF for only a slightly bigger footprint, but meh.
2020-03-19T23:02:04 < qyx> but SP0503 makes the layout complicated
2020-03-19T23:02:11 < karlp> on each downstream?!
2020-03-19T23:02:13 < karlp> fuck that shit
2020-03-19T23:02:52 < qyx> I am tempted to remove those FBs on GND/shield
2020-03-19T23:03:01 < qyx> nobody cares
2020-03-19T23:08:28 < qyx> ok, it is considerably easier now
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2020-03-19T23:20:43  * karlp laughs
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2020-03-19T23:29:37 < Cracki> uh, average age of corona deaths in italy is 81. italian national health institute. that's in line with germany's numbers.
2020-03-19T23:30:27 < Cracki> 80% had comorbidities, same thing
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2020-03-19T23:41:53 < jly> carbonara
2020-03-19T23:43:48 < Cracki> I have to try authentic carbonara sometime. what they dump in the trough in the cafeteria is like noodles floating on milk
2020-03-19T23:44:09 < jly> it's fun
2020-03-19T23:44:16 < jly> all the happy pepper
2020-03-19T23:44:47 < jly> i still add garlic though
2020-03-19T23:45:03 < Cracki> gotta keep the vampires away
2020-03-19T23:45:07 < Cracki> fucken vampires
2020-03-19T23:45:27 < qyx> https://i.imgur.com/uV2SZhZ.png
2020-03-19T23:45:30 < qyx> nice caps bro
2020-03-19T23:45:30 < Cracki> why are they repelled by garlic when vampires have body odor
2020-03-19T23:45:55 < jly> qyx: i like U6
2020-03-19T23:48:10 < karlp> qyx: those are sexy
2020-03-19T23:48:56 < karlp> mine are just like https://bin.jvnv.net/file/LeOcJ/Screenshot%20from%202020-03-19%2021-48-39.png
2020-03-19T23:49:26 < jly> i like those surface mount ones
2020-03-19T23:49:56 < qyx> how did you manage to set clearance around diff paris
2020-03-19T23:50:01 < qyx> oh wait
2020-03-19T23:50:05 < karlp> board setup diff pair clearance?
2020-03-19T23:50:12 < karlp> it's still pretty clunky,
2020-03-19T23:50:15 < qyx> not between them
2020-03-19T23:50:18 < qyx> around them I mean
2020-03-19T23:50:47 < qyx> hah you set clearance of the copper pour
2020-03-19T23:50:57 < karlp> yeah :)
2020-03-19T23:51:02 < karlp> seemed easiest
2020-03-19T23:51:11 < karlp> because I was a bit disappointed with the board rules.
2020-03-19T23:51:40 < qyx> nearly identical layout of the hub
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2020-03-20T01:29:08 < Laurenceb> wew
2020-03-20T01:29:20 < Laurenceb> drove 150miles to try to find food today
2020-03-20T01:30:29 < specing> Lol
2020-03-20T01:30:35 < specing> your sides are starving?
2020-03-20T01:35:41 < jly> how are your sides today Laurenceb 
2020-03-20T01:36:51 < qyx> is your car working again?
2020-03-20T01:40:01 < Laurenceb> qyx: yup, sort of
2020-03-20T01:40:11 < Laurenceb> intermittent engine warning light O_o
2020-03-20T01:42:17 < Laurenceb> uni got evacuated today
2020-03-20T01:42:25 < Laurenceb> nobody allowed on site
2020-03-20T01:44:58 < specing> Laurenceb: have you found food?
2020-03-20T01:45:15 < aandrew> yeah both my contracts are closed (work from home) - one had a possible infection closeit down, the other is just doing it out of caution
2020-03-20T01:45:18 < Laurenceb> enought to last me, yeah
2020-03-20T01:48:21 < Laurenceb> saw charity vans handing out food to hoards of hungry people early, 28 days later style
2020-03-20T01:52:00 < jly> have you got the bug Laurenceb 
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2020-03-20T02:15:03 < englishman> so big city laurent drove hours to a small town that didn't hoard to hoard their food
2020-03-20T02:17:31 < englishman> Italy has the oldest population in Europe, with about 23% of residents 65 or older
2020-03-20T02:17:45 < englishman> not for long
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2020-03-20T02:53:50 < jadew> china is picking up again
2020-03-20T02:55:28 < ds2> dCase/dt increasing?
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2020-03-20T03:15:47 < Laurenceb> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chez-copelands-experiments-with-explosives-were-lawful-supreme-court-rules-vt77nf52w
2020-03-20T03:15:54 < Laurenceb> freedumz intensifies
2020-03-20T03:16:03 < Laurenceb> muricans btfo'd yet again
2020-03-20T03:16:32 < jadew> ds2, yeah
2020-03-20T03:19:17 < jadew> lol, Lidl taking advantage of the current situation, rushed to open a new store two days ago
2020-03-20T03:21:02 < Laurenceb> That particular mass produced variety of hive mind IMBECILE are the self annointed and self appointed "thought police" who have the HUBRIS to task themselves to
2020-03-20T03:21:02 < Laurenceb> "enlighten" the rest of a critical thinking humanity and do so by every Big Lie their poisoned intellect can conceive, being a proponent of every EVIL ABOMINATION that can be inflicted on man, woman, adult or child...as if THEY THE CLUELESS are qualified to be "leaders" of us all. What "qualification" it is, being EXEMPLARY PERVERTS and agents of HELL trying to sell the gullible a bill of goods is EXACTLY what is represented by those Pied P
2020-03-20T03:21:02 < Laurenceb> ipers followed by a HERD of equally "brilliant" like minded VERMIN
2020-03-20T03:23:08 < Laurenceb> holy shit this guy is a good source of copypastas
2020-03-20T03:28:12 < Laurenceb> >represented himself in supreme court
2020-03-20T03:28:20 < Laurenceb> how based can one guy get
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2020-03-20T04:03:15 < Laurenceb> https://preview.redd.it/alz025cn0pn41.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=f964831f3661021a3f40f898ee07b0ec2dfcdd4a
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2020-03-20T04:17:38 < dongs> what incel reddit did you pull that one out of, laurence/b/
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2020-03-20T04:52:18 < kakimir> diarrhea
2020-03-20T04:52:24 < dongs> http://www.elsa-jp.co.jp/products/ubuntu/veluga-5000-ubuntu/ haha
2020-03-20T04:52:32 < dongs> why the fuck would you waste a moderfn laptop on niggerbuntu
2020-03-20T04:52:38 < dongs> can it even suppory any of the hardware in that thing
2020-03-20T04:53:20 < kakimir> windows is handicapped
2020-03-20T04:53:43 < kakimir> also modern developer needs windows for absolutely nothing
2020-03-20T04:54:00 < dongs> if you use 2020 definition of "developer" yes
2020-03-20T04:54:06 < dongs> real programmers prefer a proper OS and proper IDE
2020-03-20T04:54:20 < kakimir> I said developer
2020-03-20T04:54:21 < dongs> printf-debugging javascript "developer" can copypaste javascript even on macbook air
2020-03-20T04:54:22 < kakimir> yes
2020-03-20T04:54:50 < kakimir> but there are some superdevelopers that want or rare case even need such laptop
2020-03-20T04:55:00 < dongs> not to run lunix, no
2020-03-20T04:55:11 < dongs> lunix can't take advantage of any of that hardware
2020-03-20T04:57:14 < kakimir> why not?
2020-03-20T05:01:03 < kakimir> which part of the hardware?
2020-03-20T05:10:09 < rajkosto> should all work if its not nvidia optimus
2020-03-20T05:18:06 < dongs> um, any?
2020-03-20T05:18:18 < dongs> video/audio/touchpad/whatever?
2020-03-20T05:18:20 < dongs> USB
2020-03-20T05:18:22 < dongs> thunderbolt
2020-03-20T05:18:23 < dongs> lol
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2020-03-20T05:37:30 < c_j_b> I'm a developer! I have over 20 cloned but unmodified projects on Github!
2020-03-20T05:37:44 < c_j_b> Hire me.
2020-03-20T05:38:58 < c_j_b> Will develops for TP.
2020-03-20T05:41:36 < kakimir> flightradar24 looks normal
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2020-03-20T11:19:49 < Steffanx> c_j_b is still alive i see.
2020-03-20T11:20:05 < Steffanx> still driving around on your mopetish vehicle?
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2020-03-20T12:24:44 < Steffanx> Heh, i didn't know (some) stm32s have the rx/tx of the u(s)art swappable.
2020-03-20T12:24:59 < Steffanx> Such easy mistake to make, so easy to fix.
2020-03-20T12:30:07 < karlp> it's all v2 uarts onwards, iirc.
2020-03-20T12:30:17 < karlp> same time they brought in autobaud and rs485 driver control
2020-03-20T12:30:47 < karlp> so f0,7/l0,4,5 I think?
2020-03-20T12:30:49 < srk> need to setup some field or just af?
2020-03-20T12:32:04 < karlp> bit 15 in CR2 "SWAP" 
2020-03-20T12:32:57 < srk> I see
2020-03-20T12:33:09 < srk> it's uartv3 for me
2020-03-20T12:36:16 < karlp> haskell always one step ahead... :)
2020-03-20T12:36:32 < karlp> what did you decided made the v1-v2 split?
2020-03-20T12:36:35 < srk> no, it's stupid v1/v2 is only cause of F1
2020-03-20T12:37:03 < karlp> how does f1 affect this?
2020-03-20T12:37:04 < doomba> aren't there some stm32 that have errata like "woopz we reversed rx/tx. sry bros"
2020-03-20T12:37:22 < karlp> doomba: not that I've seen, can you find one?
2020-03-20T12:37:23 < srk> AF.. it's way too much brainfuck to optimize right away but I've managed to at least merge SPI to one 
2020-03-20T12:37:35 < doomba> karlp: maybe it wasn't stm32. i saw dave talking about some mcu that did that
2020-03-20T12:37:47 < karlp> srk: why would AF shit have anything to do with uart peripheral versions?
2020-03-20T12:37:49 < doomba> can't recall what vid it was though
2020-03-20T12:37:57 < karlp> isn't haskell purely keeping things abstracted for ryou?
2020-03-20T12:38:06 < englishman> uart2 you can swap rxtx if you fuck up
2020-03-20T12:38:21 < karlp> which is exactly what steffy said that started this :)
2020-03-20T12:38:32 < englishman> too far back.
2020-03-20T12:38:50 < srk> karlp: not exactly AF but the way F1 pins are set-up (one is output and the other one is input)
2020-03-20T12:38:53 < Steffanx> I can repeat it for you englishman.
2020-03-20T12:38:55 < doomba> that's what you get for using Linux 1.0.9 on a CRT
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2020-03-20T12:39:06 < srk> karlp: which is different to set both to AF mode on the reset
2020-03-20T12:39:24 < srk> good that I figured out so I can add a note why it is the case (for now) :)
2020-03-20T12:39:51 < karlp> so you bled your gpio and af setup into your pure haskell world?! 
2020-03-20T12:39:59 < karlp> ivory tower's looking a little blemished there :)
2020-03-20T12:40:19 < srk> wut
2020-03-20T12:40:32 < srk> btw it's actually two different version sci2_v1_1 / sci2_v1_2
2020-03-20T12:41:19 < c_j_b> Steffanx: Did a ride from Newcastle to Adelaide and back (I mentioned?) Set most of Australia on fire as i went..
2020-03-20T12:41:20 < srk> the HAL is not bleeding to pure stuff at all, it's actually encapsulated very neatly
2020-03-20T12:41:39 < Steffanx> Yeah i read something about that c_j_b. Im proud of you.
2020-03-20T12:41:57 < c_j_b> No luck with the Volcano.
2020-03-20T12:41:59 < Steffanx> Then you went to Wuhan and set the world on fire?
2020-03-20T12:42:13 < karlp> we're still trying to get our volcano to pop at the moment
2020-03-20T12:42:19 < karlp> it's being a bit teasy
2020-03-20T12:42:50 < doomba> stm32 has ruined my meme
2020-03-20T12:43:32 < doomba> every time someone says "af" i think "alternate function" instead of "as fuck"
2020-03-20T12:44:28 < Steffanx> Its your yankee-background.
2020-03-20T12:44:28 < srk> alternation fucktion
2020-03-20T12:44:41 < Steffanx> Normal people dont have that issue doomba :P
2020-03-20T12:44:43 < c_j_b> Currently uhmming and ahhing about going innawoods to survive Coronaggedon. Postie bike would need some work first.
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2020-03-20T12:47:01 < c_j_b> Been camping on my Mum+Sis's livingroom floor for the last 3 months, so not much of a task.
2020-03-20T12:48:03 < c_j_b> Gumtree Rentals have all been "must have tits" and "you'll be living with 3 bogans and methheads for your $180/week room". 
2020-03-20T12:48:32 < specing> kek
2020-03-20T12:49:44 < Steffanx> $180 sounds fine.
2020-03-20T12:49:52 < specing> per week
2020-03-20T12:49:59 < Steffanx> yeah
2020-03-20T12:50:23 < srk> meth included?
2020-03-20T12:50:32 < Steffanx> that's like 100 euro bucks.
2020-03-20T12:51:12 < Steffanx> assuming c_j_b was talking about aussie bucks and not yankee bucks.
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2020-03-20T12:52:12 < doomba> $180/week
2020-03-20T12:52:16 < doomba> bro
2020-03-20T12:52:42 < doomba> come to methville ohio you can get a whole 2 story house for less than that
2020-03-20T12:53:15 < englishman> is that baird
2020-03-20T12:53:22 < doomba> and our gas prices just hit < $1
2020-03-20T12:53:32 < doomba> we're gonna be venezuela by May
2020-03-20T12:53:39 < c_j_b> The last place was AU$160/w, and for 5 years practically had the whole house on a 4 acre block to myself. :< (Although that was lucking-out and finding some Grey Nomads who really just wanted a house-sitter)
2020-03-20T12:55:02 < doomba> i'm behind on germinating
2020-03-20T12:55:44 < doomba> gotta get them seedz in their little egg cartons this weekend
2020-03-20T13:04:01 < jpa-> hmm, i never before realized that rad/s is almost the same as RPM
2020-03-20T13:07:25 < Steffanx> almost. with a factor 10 somewhere?
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2020-03-20T13:43:25 < mawk> Steffanx: "Broadcast/Multicast filter configuratie in Aruba" is the "in" correct ?
2020-03-20T13:43:36 < mawk> google translate says "op" but that sounds weird
2020-03-20T13:43:54 < mawk> aruba is a software, not the island
2020-03-20T13:44:02 < Steffanx> hah, "op" Aruba would be right when it would be the island :P
2020-03-20T13:44:11 < Steffanx> but "in" Aruba is correct.
2020-03-20T13:45:13 < mawk> ah, thanks
2020-03-20T14:02:59 < BrainDamage> aruba is a big network service provider here
2020-03-20T14:03:10 < BrainDamage> cloud, certified mail, etc
2020-03-20T14:06:11 < jpa-> Steffanx: hmm yeah :D
2020-03-20T14:06:29 < jpa-> math is hard
2020-03-20T14:08:04 < Steffanx> Yes apparently. A colleague of mine did some simple gain/offset calibration and apparently it now corrects the values in the wrong direction. As in.. makes it worse instead of better. Not sure how we even missed that
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2020-03-20T14:15:19 < mawk> almost jpa- 
2020-03-20T14:15:32 < Cracki> ten rippems
2020-03-20T14:16:09 < Cracki> 60/tau
2020-03-20T14:17:42 < Cracki> 60/6.3, 5% diff
2020-03-20T14:28:41 < mawk> wat
2020-03-20T14:29:01 < mawk> 1 rad/s = 9.549 rpm
2020-03-20T14:33:29 < Steffanx> That's almost 10 mawk :P
2020-03-20T14:42:12 < mawk> noooo
2020-03-20T14:42:13 < mawk> very far
2020-03-20T14:54:14 < dongs> https://twitter.com/PhilosophyTube/status/1240972074388250625 lol
2020-03-20T15:00:13 < englishman> nanopb on msp430 takes so much flash
2020-03-20T15:00:20 < englishman> due to 32b library functions
2020-03-20T15:00:22 < englishman> lol
2020-03-20T15:00:28 < doomba> leftist imbeciles
2020-03-20T15:00:31 < doomba> "durrr let's not pay rent"
2020-03-20T15:01:09 < doomba> "heyyyyyy everybody. send your landlord a letter. better yet. use your iPhone X to send them an email saying you're no longer participating in capitalism."
2020-03-20T15:02:07 < englishman> lol @ admitting in writing you can't meet your obligations
2020-03-20T15:04:25 < karlp> lawyers gonna make so much bank.
2020-03-20T15:04:38 < karlp> that's before we even get to hastily written laws...
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2020-03-20T15:13:09 < BrainDamage> it's not even sure to me if can't or won't
2020-03-20T15:13:45 < doomba> people don't wanna live with their choices
2020-03-20T15:14:18 < doomba> nobody forced me to take student loans and go into debt and end up stuck in a debt spiral for years that's almost impossible to climb out of
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2020-03-20T15:15:44 < doomba> i'm with the landlords
2020-03-20T15:15:52 < doomba> you don't wanna pay rent, fk u. evicted.
2020-03-20T15:16:38 < doomba> and in .eu there's plenty of migrants being shipped in that need housing and the gov will pay for it. that's guaranteed rent money.
2020-03-20T15:17:53 < doomba> paid for with all the taxes from the evicted natural born citizens of your .eu member states working as baristas and uber drivers sleeping in tent cities under bridges
2020-03-20T15:18:31 < doomba> nothing ya'll can do about it either because they took your guns lel
2020-03-20T15:18:39 < doomba> gave them to habib
2020-03-20T15:19:31 < doomba> "welcome, habib. here's one acid kit, a shank, and some ammo for this AK. here are the keys to your flat. here's some payment cards to get you started. go spin the economic wheel - our citizens aren't doing it anymore."
2020-03-20T15:23:26 < BrainDamage> one thing I am a bit curious, firearms in the us are to protect citizens from the tiranny of the state, has that ever happened?
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2020-03-20T15:24:26 < BrainDamage> I mean without being billed as a terrorist
2020-03-20T15:26:25 < karlp> of course not...
2020-03-20T15:26:37 < karlp> the whole point is that the state must be overthrown in that case,
2020-03-20T15:26:43 < karlp> always seemed so flawed.
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2020-03-20T15:27:26 < BrainDamage> yes, the simple definition of a terrorist is dependent if your coup succeeds
2020-03-20T15:28:14 < BrainDamage> and given the massive risk involved, people must be driven to desperation for one
2020-03-20T15:35:22 < englishman> BrainDamage: they succeed in escalating force to violent enough levels that nothing remains of you, your house or your family
2020-03-20T15:35:37 < englishman> see: ruby ridge, Waco, etc
2020-03-20T15:44:46 < c_j_b> Cliven Bundy.. seemed to work out for him.
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2020-03-20T15:54:34 < aandrew> morning coronachatters
2020-03-20T15:55:13 < doomba> morning paandrewmic
2020-03-20T15:57:54 < aandrew> doomba: LOL
2020-03-20T15:57:55 < aandrew> that's good
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2020-03-20T17:50:25 < Cracki> life pandemic! population 80 million, life expectancy 80 years, means 2800 dead EVERY DAY
2020-03-20T17:51:18 < Cracki> average age of wuflu deaths is over 80
2020-03-20T17:51:26 < jpa-> why won't anyone think of the cells? 300 million dead every minute, in each of you!
2020-03-20T17:51:36 < Cracki> so instead of dying of cancer or heart problems, they die of the virus
2020-03-20T17:51:53 < Cracki> and now our economy is getting rammed in the ass
2020-03-20T17:52:06 < Cracki> it seems that a new pair of shoes isn't essential enough
2020-03-20T18:02:00 < jadew> you can't even short most stocks anymore, because everyone is shorting them already
2020-03-20T18:02:39 < jadew> lots of big companies are nose diving
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2020-03-20T18:03:55 < englishman> sounds untrue a f
2020-03-20T18:04:27 < englishman> or at least underlines your complete misunderstanding of how the market works
2020-03-20T18:05:07 < jadew> oh, I don't understand most of it, but I'm running a demo account on a trading platform and tried to short various stocks and you can't
2020-03-20T18:05:22 < jadew> because there are no more stocks available to borrow
2020-03-20T18:05:47 < jpa-> shorting is way too risky IMO, bear certs are much simpler to use
2020-03-20T18:05:52 < jadew> obviously, this is true only for the companies that are clearly going to have trouble in the times ahead
2020-03-20T18:06:34 < englishman> more deaths than recoveries in canada
2020-03-20T18:06:49 < englishman> maybe switching to a 100% soy diet wasn't a good idea
2020-03-20T18:06:56 < jadew> speaking of canada, I understand that you're already under lock down?
2020-03-20T18:07:00 < jadew> is that true?
2020-03-20T18:07:05 < englishman> wtf does that mean
2020-03-20T18:07:14 < englishman> cops come to my house and lock the doors?
2020-03-20T18:07:22 < jadew> someone said you're not allowed to leave the house, yeah
2020-03-20T18:07:29 < englishman> someone is retarded
2020-03-20T18:07:44 < jpa-> but in theory, the expected level of drop has already been priced into the stock prices already and any new news could just as well cause prices to go up
2020-03-20T18:07:59 < jadew> oh, so they were exaggerating
2020-03-20T18:08:01 < englishman> yeah of course Boeing puts are expensive now
2020-03-20T18:08:07 < englishman> they are dead
2020-03-20T18:08:16 < englishman> like tesla calls in January
2020-03-20T18:08:26 < englishman> the hype train knows no limits
2020-03-20T18:08:31 < jadew> I tried to short a chain a hotels
2020-03-20T18:08:55 < englishman> sounds like your broker sucks, or europeans aren't allowed to gamble or whatever
2020-03-20T18:09:07 < jadew> and some other stuff I thought wouldn't get much business in the next couple of months
2020-03-20T18:09:27 < jadew> englishman, it's not that, I think I'm just too late to the game (again, demo account anyway)
2020-03-20T18:09:43 < jpa-> how much stocks you already have in the account can also affect your ability to short - who would borrow stocks to someone who doesn't have money to pay back when they lose
2020-03-20T18:09:43 < jadew> but their shares have already dropped by 50%
2020-03-20T18:10:09 < jpa-> put / call options and bear certs etc. are better IMO, i don't know why you would want to short directly
2020-03-20T18:10:15 < jadew> jpa-, I thought the margin would be enough, no?
2020-03-20T18:10:32 < jadew> because I don't know what those are :)
2020-03-20T18:10:46 < jadew> I just started playing with this yesterday
2020-03-20T18:11:01 < jadew> finally found a platform that works in Romania
2020-03-20T18:11:32 < jpa-> yeah, that's exactly what margin account is for - but how much margin account you need varies
2020-03-20T18:12:29 < jadew> what platform are you using?
2020-03-20T18:12:37 < jpa-> because when shorting, you can lose much more than the initial sell price of the stocks, so you need to have more money there initially - in fact, the potential loss of shorting is infinite, but potential win is limited
2020-03-20T18:12:41 < jadew> I'm using xtb.com
2020-03-20T18:12:53 < jpa-> nordnet, but i've never shorted using them because i consider it too risky (unbounded loss)
2020-03-20T18:13:18 < jadew> you can set a limit to how much you lose, no?
2020-03-20T18:14:03 < jpa-> you can place stop loss orders, yeah, but if something very surprising happens it might be no-one is selling the stocks (for example, if the exchange is closed for some reason) and your stop loss is not happening
2020-03-20T18:14:39 < jadew> I see, and how is that different from put options?
2020-03-20T18:15:06 < jpa-> in put options someone else is doing arbitrage between the options and actually shorting the stocks - they take the risk, not you
2020-03-20T18:15:44 < englishman> your risk is limited to the purchase value of the options (as the buyer)
2020-03-20T18:15:56 < jadew> ah! I see
2020-03-20T18:16:18 < jadew> so with shorting you can lose a lot more than the purchase price, but not with put options
2020-03-20T18:16:36 < jadew> I'll have to read about put options, I don't fully understand how they work
2020-03-20T18:16:40 < jpa-> also a significant difference is that in put options you pay when you buy them, while when shorting the stock you pay only after you lose - so put options are less risky for the broker also
2020-03-20T18:17:05 < aandrew> englishman: how's covid in frogland
2020-03-20T18:17:31 < jpa-> but on the other hand, for big institutional traders with billions of money, it's a great benefit that they can keep using the money for other purposes while their shorts are active
2020-03-20T18:17:32 < englishman> aandrew: so far so good, besides the gyms being closed
2020-03-20T18:17:57 < aandrew> we have a gym in the basement so no worries there, just lots of bickering with the wife because she can't handle *any* stress whatsoever
2020-03-20T18:18:04 < aandrew> so I just try to avoid her as much as possible
2020-03-20T18:18:13 < englishman> sounds like situation normal at your place then
2020-03-20T18:18:45 < englishman> I sold all my gym stuff last year :<
2020-03-20T18:19:01 < englishman> luckily it's nice enough out to run
2020-03-20T18:20:38 < jadew> so... on this demo account, I made 3200 RON yesterday, and lost 3300 today
2020-03-20T18:21:17 < jadew> I mainly did forex and commodity trading
2020-03-20T18:21:23 < jadew> seems a lot like a gamble
2020-03-20T18:23:25 < Cracki> can you grab historical data and play with that?
2020-03-20T18:23:42 < Cracki> you need a way to run through actions without waiting real time
2020-03-20T18:23:43 < jadew> I don't know, but I wanted to do that
2020-03-20T18:24:02 < jadew> yep
2020-03-20T18:24:16 < jadew> it's interesting to see it real time too
2020-03-20T18:24:51 < jadew> and I guess it's important to have a calendar of events going with the data
2020-03-20T18:26:58 < jadew> I think Romania is going to have the first ncov death soon
2020-03-20T18:42:42 < Mangy_Dog> ncov?
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2020-03-20T18:56:10 < Steffanx> COVID-19 mr Mangy_Dog
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2020-03-20T19:13:23 < jpa-> jadew: i don't think it counts as a ncov death when you get a heart attack due to reading too much news
2020-03-20T19:14:05 < Laurenceb> shit >600 dead in italy today
2020-03-20T19:14:06 < PaulFertser> What if you're ncov-positive?
2020-03-20T19:14:10 < Laurenceb> this is getting serious
2020-03-20T19:14:34 < karlp> sasy the guy wit h no food yesterday?
2020-03-20T19:14:36 < jpa-> why is 600 the limit for serious?
2020-03-20T19:14:39 < jpa-> or italy
2020-03-20T19:14:40 < karlp> this is just catching up to you?
2020-03-20T19:16:51 < englishman> anyone in here over 60
2020-03-20T19:16:54 < englishman> besides dongs
2020-03-20T19:17:20 < aandrew> 44 here
2020-03-20T19:17:37 < englishman> ...
2020-03-20T19:19:33 < Cracki> this might be the first time I'll order shoes online... they're destroying small business right now with that lockup around here
2020-03-20T19:20:42 < srk> where?
2020-03-20T19:21:26 < srk> whole CZ is lockedup too, feelsweirdman
2020-03-20T19:21:48 < Cracki> western germany
2020-03-20T19:22:07 < Cracki> this isn't a lockup of the population, but a lockup of small business
2020-03-20T19:22:22 < srk> here you cant go out without <reason> and a mask
2020-03-20T19:22:25 < Cracki> I can still buy loaves of bread and stick them on my feet, but I can't buy fucking shoes
2020-03-20T19:22:35 < srk> lol
2020-03-20T19:22:56 < Cracki> imagine needing to look presentable right now
2020-03-20T19:23:01 < karlp> yeah, imagine it.
2020-03-20T19:23:08 < karlp> you going on fucking dates?
2020-03-20T19:23:17 < srk> I went to a date with vet today
2020-03-20T19:23:31 < srk> no need to shave or anything, just put on the mask!
2020-03-20T19:23:32 < srk> :D
2020-03-20T19:23:38 < Cracki> romantic date or date with pet
2020-03-20T19:23:46 < srk> with pet
2020-03-20T19:23:55 < Cracki> >_> did you ask for vet's number
2020-03-20T19:24:07 < srk> no, he's a dude
2020-03-20T19:24:33 < srk> I mean I already have it :D
2020-03-20T19:25:18 < Cracki> I wonder what this "free money" is they claim they'll hand out. my boss isn't too happy about needing to send me away but there hasn't been enough business lately.
2020-03-20T19:25:34 < Cracki> muricans aren't getting free money, they get loans.
2020-03-20T19:25:52 < srk> here you can get free money if you're a small business owner with children 
2020-03-20T19:26:06 < srk> I'm just getting an excuse to pay the rent $later
2020-03-20T19:26:19 < Cracki> around here I heard mention it's some kind of unemployment benefits if your regular hours get reduced due to slow market
2020-03-20T19:26:55 < srk> well, I guess everyones hours gonna get reduced except for some factories building masks and medical supplies
2020-03-20T19:27:00 < Cracki> just halting the economy isn't gonna work. even landlords need to buy food.
2020-03-20T19:27:01 < srk> and food of course
2020-03-20T19:27:06 < srk> this
2020-03-20T19:27:39 < Cracki> they said they want this to go on for four whole weeks. that's gonna cost some people their heads.
2020-03-20T19:27:53 < srk> there are people here starting to criticize countrywide lockdown without proper discussion of crisis teams as well
2020-03-20T19:28:32 < Cracki> it's hysteria and panicked reactions. they could have a little a month ago, now they're like oh shit the house is on fire
2020-03-20T19:28:36 < srk> well I'm close to being homeless as well :D
2020-03-20T19:29:24 < Cracki> find a bridge, put up some police cordon
2020-03-20T19:29:40 < Cracki> no bridges around here
2020-03-20T19:30:06 < srk> heh, my gf is civic engineer building bridges
2020-03-20T19:30:32 < Cracki> dunno where I saw it, could have been here... some deranged leftist suggested that people should tell their landlords that they'll just not pay this month. that'll land them on their asses on the street real soon.
2020-03-20T19:30:41 < Cracki> useful gf
2020-03-20T19:30:53 < Cracki> you ought to make a gf meme about that
2020-03-20T19:31:05 < Cracki> https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ideal-gf
2020-03-20T19:31:23 < doomba> works on bridges, brings home tendies. good bf points. no need for cash.
2020-03-20T19:31:49 < Cracki> oh right, the frozen tendies were fully stocked
2020-03-20T19:31:56 < Cracki> people seem to think electricity will cut out
2020-03-20T19:32:13 < doomba> that's what 120lbs of rice and beans are for
2020-03-20T19:32:27 < srk> Cracki: that's fine but not the INTERNET!!
2020-03-20T19:32:29 < doomba> they wanna fuck around and keep shit locked down for 18 months? aight then. do it.
2020-03-20T19:32:30 < Cracki> it might. we aren't on nuclear. it's all coal, gas, a little hydro/wind/PV, but good luck getting PV through this cloud cover we usually have
2020-03-20T19:32:45 < doomba> the rest of the world is already full speed ahead on agenda 21
2020-03-20T19:32:49 < doomba> USA has to catch up
2020-03-20T19:32:50 < Cracki> >gf, 120 lbs, made of rice and beans
2020-03-20T19:33:04 < doomba> so i expect us to stay locked down while the rest of the world is back to business as usual
2020-03-20T19:33:25 < doomba> they gotta make us feel real pain so we accept drastic measures to get us caught up to the rest of the world in terms of enslavement to the new world order
2020-03-20T19:34:07 < srk> NSA needs new excuses, terrorism isn't hot anymore
2020-03-20T19:34:53 < Cracki> I'm thinking maybe I should give that shoe store a call or an email, let them know they can make a quick 50 bucks from me
2020-03-20T19:39:12 < Steffanx> You shouldnt have waited with it for so long.
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2020-03-20T19:46:48 < Cracki> we had rubber clogs in the OR. they were cooked every evening. they grow several sizes the older they get.
2020-03-20T19:47:24 < Cracki> once in a while a shoe would go missing. guess what was for lunch the next day.
2020-03-20T19:49:28 < englishman> AS7341
2020-03-20T19:49:30 < englishman> cool
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2020-03-20T19:53:48 < englishman> aww, super small bandwidth
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2020-03-20T20:03:03 < srk> https://interrupt.memfault.com/blog/cortex-m-fault-debug#relevant-status-registers
2020-03-20T20:03:50 < Mangy_Dog> just some more mindless self promotion from me https://imgur.com/gallery/hO9yjvI
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2020-03-20T20:05:49 < Cracki> srk, I love IMPRECISERR, it's just what the name says
2020-03-20T20:06:41 < srk> haha
2020-03-20T20:07:20 < srk> Mangy_Dog: kewl, what do you use to make assembly videos and renders?
2020-03-20T20:07:57 < Mangy_Dog> max
2020-03-20T20:08:40 < srk> oO
2020-03-20T20:09:06 < Mangy_Dog> 3d studio max :p
2020-03-20T20:09:15 < srk> Mangy_Dog: here's my blender https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sorki/anomaly/master/renders/final.png
2020-03-20T20:09:19 < srk> I know max ;) 
2020-03-20T20:09:26 < Mangy_Dog> ahh
2020-03-20T20:09:28 < Mangy_Dog> ooohh
2020-03-20T20:09:48 < Mangy_Dog> very very nice
2020-03-20T20:09:49 < srk> did some maya and cinema as well long time ago
2020-03-20T20:09:51 < Mangy_Dog> custom drone design?
2020-03-20T20:09:54 < Mangy_Dog> nodnodnods
2020-03-20T20:09:55 < srk> yeah
2020-03-20T20:10:04 < Mangy_Dog> very cool
2020-03-20T20:10:08 < srk> freecad practice :)
2020-03-20T20:10:09 < Mangy_Dog> i want ti play with drones some point
2020-03-20T20:10:12 < Mangy_Dog> ahh
2020-03-20T20:10:32 < srk> fpv drones are mad
2020-03-20T20:10:47 < srk> lemme find a vid
2020-03-20T20:12:03 < srk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVBl_09pfEo
2020-03-20T20:12:55  * Mangy_Dog clicks
2020-03-20T20:13:23 < Mangy_Dog> ooohhhh
2020-03-20T20:13:24 < Mangy_Dog> fun fun
2020-03-20T20:13:33 < Mangy_Dog> shame the UK is sooooo nati drone now :(
2020-03-20T20:13:37 < Mangy_Dog> its really hard to get into it now
2020-03-20T20:13:46 < srk> nati?
2020-03-20T20:14:00 < Mangy_Dog> is that the name of the leglesation?
2020-03-20T20:14:04 < Mangy_Dog> legislation
2020-03-20T20:14:10 < Cracki> anti?
2020-03-20T20:14:31 < srk> no idea, there's some wild FAA proposal going to kill it in US
2020-03-20T20:14:41 < Cracki> typo, not letter salad
2020-03-20T20:15:19 < Mangy_Dog> well if i wanted to get a drone. not only do i need to register it and myself... i also need to pass a pilots lisence course and pay 1000 quid a year to keep updated
2020-03-20T20:15:21 < Cracki> you know what's not getting regulated? skynet's hunter/killer drones
2020-03-20T20:15:33 < srk> like you have to use tracker on the quad and broadcast location of both pilot and machine to internetz
2020-03-20T20:16:58 < Mangy_Dog> this all came about after the gatwick airport fiasco
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2020-03-20T20:17:26 < srk> Easy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTzBsCtK60U
2020-03-20T20:20:00 < Mangy_Dog> the best thing about all this control is.... it does utterly nothing to stop people who use drones to do bad things with..... and only penilises legit users
2020-03-20T20:21:10 < doomba> nor are amazon's delivery drones being regulated
2020-03-20T20:21:27 < doomba> they're killing it in the US preemptively to stop smaller delivery services from being able to form
2020-03-20T20:21:39 < doomba> so only the big monopolies can use drones to deliver shit
2020-03-20T20:21:59 < doomba> has nothing to do with safety
2020-03-20T20:22:28 < doomba> i built an fpv drone in ~2015
2020-03-20T20:22:42 < doomba> 1 year later it was outlawed
2020-03-20T20:22:48 < Mangy_Dog> D:
2020-03-20T20:23:05 < srk> doomba: where? :D
2020-03-20T20:23:08 < doomba> ohio
2020-03-20T20:23:11 < srk> w00t
2020-03-20T20:23:16 < doomba> but there is federal regulation for some years now
2020-03-20T20:23:18 < srk> interesting, lide state wide any drone?
2020-03-20T20:23:26 < doomba> you can't just buy a DJI or w/e
2020-03-20T20:23:44 < doomba> you have to register with the FAA by paying a fee and shit
2020-03-20T20:23:57 < doomba> but afaik it's not really enforced
2020-03-20T20:23:59 < srk> right, here you only need license for commercial work
2020-03-20T20:24:06 < doomba> nah here
2020-03-20T20:24:27 < doomba> if your drone is above X weight (pretty much every commercial drone available is above said weight, DJI makes their shit JUST above the weight intentionally)
2020-03-20T20:24:30 < Mangy_Dog> i might just build one and say fuck it
2020-03-20T20:24:39 < Mangy_Dog> I have some land anyway as long as i fly over the land there shouldnt be any issue
2020-03-20T20:24:47 < srk> well we now have harmless 70mm microquads 
2020-03-20T20:24:50 < doomba> you have to register it even for non-commercial
2020-03-20T20:24:52 < srk> which you can fly indoors :)
2020-03-20T20:24:55 < doomba> right
2020-03-20T20:24:59 < doomba> those are exempt from the FAA stuff
2020-03-20T20:25:08 < doomba> you can even build FPVs now that are below the weight... just barely.
2020-03-20T20:25:08 < srk> up to some weight?
2020-03-20T20:25:15 < srk> yeah
2020-03-20T20:25:16 < doomba> but if you're caught flying them and the cops want to harass you, they will.
2020-03-20T20:25:25 < doomba> they're not about to weigh your drone and be like "ok you're good"
2020-03-20T20:25:31 < doomba> they'll just confinscate it and charge you
2020-03-20T20:25:43 < doomba> then you have a 1-2 year court battle that saps your money
2020-03-20T20:25:46 < srk> real fun are overpowered 5"+ ones tho :(
2020-03-20T20:26:13 < doomba> by the time a judge says "yep. you weren't breaking any laws" you're bankrupt and cancelled for life
2020-03-20T20:26:18 < srk> if done responsibly (e.g. no ppl around)
2020-03-20T20:26:54 < doomba> imo the new frontier is with rovers and watercraft
2020-03-20T20:27:06 < Cracki> just declare the drone to be a prosthesis of you, and shoot the cops for assaulting you
2020-03-20T20:27:11 < doomba> drones are fun and all - but building a fully autonomous rover or boat seems like way more fun
2020-03-20T20:27:22 < Cracki> waterworld
2020-03-20T20:27:44 < Cracki> when were we supposed to be flooded? we're way past that, according to doomsday prophets
2020-03-20T20:27:48 < doomba> i've been wanting to build some kind of beverage rover that rolls around my city giving people bottles of water and soda and shit
2020-03-20T20:28:18 < Cracki> punks will tip it over and loot it
2020-03-20T20:28:24 < doomba> nah
2020-03-20T20:28:33 < Cracki> you need to include battle axes and chainsaws
2020-03-20T20:28:33 < doomba> the police would probably take it tho
2020-03-20T20:28:38 < Cracki> thieves
2020-03-20T20:28:54 < doomba> and look into the camera and be like "if you want your robot back, come pay for a fucking vendors permit"
2020-03-20T20:29:38 < Cracki> I wish somebody would take those fucking electric roller scooters that pop up around town. the recharge-and-delivery vans at night dump them in the most obnoxious places
2020-03-20T20:30:14 < doomba> i donno
2020-03-20T20:30:30 < doomba> all those silicon valley startups doing electric scooters and bicycles and stuff
2020-03-20T20:30:34 < doomba> it's NWO shit imo
2020-03-20T20:30:55 < Cracki> wallowing in subsidies
2020-03-20T20:31:06 < Cracki> they should funnel that money into nuclear power
2020-03-20T20:31:08 < doomba> once they kick everyone out of their cars, they'll ban personal/private bicycles and scooters and any kind of shit besides walking.
2020-03-20T20:31:15 < doomba> saying it's unsafe
2020-03-20T20:31:25 < doomba> and only the $20/hr google bicycles are safe
2020-03-20T20:31:46 < srk> wat 
2020-03-20T20:31:53 < Cracki> ^
2020-03-20T20:32:34 < doomba> they'll mk-ultra activate incels to mow down cyclists. "if they don't have a green google bike, run em over."
2020-03-20T20:33:04 < doomba> then run the story, "private bikes banned. google bikes safe."
2020-03-20T20:33:53 < doomba> i donno how all these javascript coders think the world their building is gonna be great
2020-03-20T20:33:58 < doomba> *they're
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2020-03-20T20:34:24 < Cracki> embedded realtime jizzscript
2020-03-20T20:34:57 < BrainDamage> embezzled*
2020-03-20T20:35:44 < srk> Cracki: lol, and some people really mean it
2020-03-20T20:35:45 < specing> doomba: they don't think
2020-03-20T20:35:49 < srk> which is a bit scary!
2020-03-20T20:35:59 < doomba> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3qxWbQ8qek
2020-03-20T20:36:06 < Cracki> mean what? that they're saving the world by making electric scooters?
2020-03-20T20:36:13 < srk> like script your ardrone ine js/python xD
2020-03-20T20:36:18 < srk> s/ine/in
2020-03-20T20:36:26 < Cracki> it's convenient
2020-03-20T20:36:30 < doomba> they're following greta's commandments
2020-03-20T20:36:37 < BrainDamage> I saw just yesterday a convo on irc where one was arguing that building cities should be privatized
2020-03-20T20:36:53 < BrainDamage> sorry, not building, but governing
2020-03-20T20:36:57 < Cracki> and in principle js could be made to work for realtime embedded work... but not by arduino-level people
2020-03-20T20:37:06 < BrainDamage> to give competition to the government
2020-03-20T20:37:21 < Cracki> uhm maybe let's stick to hanging politicians ok?
2020-03-20T20:37:38 < BrainDamage> https://boingboing.net/2018/12/21/2600-acres.html
2020-03-20T20:37:39 < Cracki> politicians are privatized government already
2020-03-20T20:37:44 < Cracki> who owns the politicians
2020-03-20T20:37:46 < BrainDamage> https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-sidewalk-labs-document-reveals-companys-early-plans-for-data/
2020-03-20T20:37:50 < srk> I'm thinking of this aprils fools project of ivory-tower-arduino where I use coroutine to implement delay
2020-03-20T20:38:00 < Cracki> company towns are weird.
2020-03-20T20:38:01 < doomba> yea sidewalk labs is a fucking nightmare dude
2020-03-20T20:38:08 < doomba> who would want to live in that?
2020-03-20T20:38:35 < BrainDamage> they also lied through their teeths over and over and over
2020-03-20T20:39:10 < doomba> here's my waifu talking about our future https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKq_pA17TaM
2020-03-20T20:40:38 < Cracki> nice prison
2020-03-20T20:40:41 < Cracki> that or fortress
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2020-03-20T20:44:09 < doomba> it's the same shit being built all over the world
2020-03-20T20:44:18 < doomba> to house the javascript hipsters
2020-03-20T20:44:30 < doomba> AI will run society
2020-03-20T20:46:07 < Cracki> I'm ok with stuffing javascript hipsters into camps
2020-03-20T20:47:15 < srk> AI .. https://medium.com/starsky-robotics-blog/the-end-of-starsky-robotics-acb8a6a8a5f5
2020-03-20T20:47:15 < Cracki> _they_ are ok with it. they love to visit camps where they get their programming and their boot in the butt
2020-03-20T20:47:37 < srk> lol
2020-03-20T20:48:05 < Cracki> dog was best employee
2020-03-20T20:48:52 < srk> I'm thinking of compiling some opengl haskell code to WASM
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2020-03-20T20:50:03 < veverak> "The biggest, however, is that supervised machine learning doesn’t live up to the hype." :D :D :D :D
2020-03-20T20:50:08 < srk> but CAS is too much fun
2020-03-20T20:50:26 < srk> veverak: :D
2020-03-20T20:50:26 < veverak> yeah the S-curve in the article says it all
2020-03-20T20:50:27 < Cracki> ML/DL is tricky, and it's not a magic wand
2020-03-20T20:50:32 < veverak> that is the reality of everything we do as humans
2020-03-20T20:50:49 < veverak> 'nothing ... wow we make so much breakthrough! ... sloooooowing down because roadblocks .... nothing'
2020-03-20T20:51:08 < Cracki> humans take years to build up the requisite cognitive power and experience, and months to learn to drive
2020-03-20T20:51:10 < srk> and they probably had the least stupid idea of em all self driving companies
2020-03-20T20:51:22 < srk> by using combination of self driving on well known paths and teleop :D
2020-03-20T20:52:11 < Cracki> freight belongs on rails anyway
2020-03-20T20:52:19 < srk> should just integrated it into Euro Truck Simulator
2020-03-20T20:52:21 < Cracki> road freight would be easier because fixed routes
2020-03-20T20:52:35 < srk> then do the same with rails, planes
2020-03-20T20:52:40 < srk> hmm :D
2020-03-20T20:52:48 < Cracki> and you tend to go on and off fast straight roads, right into industrial zones
2020-03-20T20:52:53 < veverak> the best idea I saw was from Mercedes I think? 'truck trains' -> multiple separate trucks in a row, one human in the first truck, rest is controlled with AI
2020-03-20T20:52:53 < srk> hope the internet doesn't go down
2020-03-20T20:52:59 < Cracki> rail is pretty automated already
2020-03-20T20:53:07 < veverak> and the human can overtake anything
2020-03-20T20:53:07 < srk> nah, too much error prone
2020-03-20T20:53:12 < veverak> and make the decisions
2020-03-20T20:53:16 < veverak> the AI is quite dumb
2020-03-20T20:53:20 < srk> Cracki: rail is not automated enough
2020-03-20T20:53:28 < Cracki> I've heard of freight and passenger trains running on their own, or fly-by-wire
2020-03-20T20:53:41 < srk> too many accidents due to human errors on railways
2020-03-20T20:53:53 < veverak> and too many 'old tech' with railroads
2020-03-20T20:54:02 < Cracki> yes, remove all those sources of error
2020-03-20T20:54:11 < srk> easy, just stay at home
2020-03-20T20:54:12 < srk> xD
2020-03-20T20:54:13 < veverak> srk: I think our country has good record of 'what happens if you left truck on railroad'
2020-03-20T20:54:27 < Cracki> heh, wu flu does this https://miro.medium.com/max/719/0*yRZb_FYxN3DXayf4
2020-03-20T20:54:36 < srk> veverak: as in?
2020-03-20T20:55:10 < Cracki> "left truck on railroad", "none railroad with left truck", "none pizza with left beef"
2020-03-20T20:55:17 < veverak> srk: event few years ago, somebody left truck with metal sheets (the big ones) on railroad and run away
2020-03-20T20:55:38 < veverak> the 'Pendolino' train was not able to stop because that is impossible in that speed
2020-03-20T20:55:40 < srk> ah uh
2020-03-20T20:55:49 < veverak> conductor got his legs cut off with the metal sheets
2020-03-20T20:55:59 < srk> uuh
2020-03-20T20:56:55 < veverak> out of the all things that could be in the truck, this was a jackpot
2020-03-20T20:57:42 < Cracki> shady neighbor wants the flat mate to "receive a text" for him... too cheap to buy a burner phone?
2020-03-20T20:58:06 < veverak> https://d15-a.sdn.cz/d_15/c_img_E_G/AimMZc.jpeg?fl=cro,0,60,800,450%7Cres,1200,,1%7Cwebp,75
2020-03-20T20:58:26 < Cracki> that's a gillette ad
2020-03-20T20:58:49 < Cracki> did they catch the perp?
2020-03-20T20:58:54 < veverak> Cracki: yes
2020-03-20T20:59:09 < Cracki> what was the excuse
2020-03-20T20:59:24 < veverak> he tried to cross the railroad with the red lights on..
2020-03-20T20:59:27 < veverak> not sure  tbh
2020-03-20T20:59:31 < veverak> stupidity?
2020-03-20T21:00:45 < Cracki> was that a crossing without boom gates?
2020-03-20T21:00:55 < veverak> no
2020-03-20T21:00:59 < veverak> it's even better
2020-03-20T21:01:01 < veverak> Instead of ramming through the gate, which is constructed so as to allow even a motorbike to penetrate the barrier and automatically sends a stop signal to all approaching trains if breached, the driver moved the truck only a few metres forward in order to avoid a direct impact to its cab, with its trailer carrying aluminium sheets remaining on the track.
2020-03-20T21:01:03 < veverak> this bit ^^
2020-03-20T21:01:18 < Cracki> wat
2020-03-20T21:01:28 < veverak> After a few seconds, train SC 512 Pendolino emerged from the curve leading to the crossing at 160 km/h (99 mph).
2020-03-20T21:01:42 < veverak> The train driver pulled the emergency brake, managing to slow the train to 142 km/h (88 mph) at the moment of impact.
2020-03-20T21:01:45 < veverak> not a chance 
2020-03-20T21:01:48 < Cracki> that's murder
2020-03-20T21:01:55 < srk> shiite
2020-03-20T21:02:21 < veverak> wait
2020-03-20T21:02:24 < veverak> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Stud%C3%A9nka_train_crash
2020-03-20T21:02:25 < veverak> even better
2020-03-20T21:02:27 < veverak> :)
2020-03-20T21:03:03 < Cracki> all good arguments for never having anything cross a train track.
2020-03-20T21:03:03 < srk> ah, I remember now
2020-03-20T21:03:13 < veverak> and I am pretty sure tdays AI would not be able to manage this any better
2020-03-20T21:03:18 < srk> especially not high speed track
2020-03-20T21:03:24 < veverak> Cracki: yeah, afaik Shinkansen are build like this?
2020-03-20T21:03:30 < Cracki> sensible.
2020-03-20T21:03:31 < veverak> (reason why they were so expensive)
2020-03-20T21:03:32 < srk> even TGV
2020-03-20T21:03:35 < veverak> and it's best choice ever
2020-03-20T21:03:50 < veverak> and afaik czechia is rebuilding tracks for no road crossing
2020-03-20T21:03:58 < veverak> but that takes a lot of time
2020-03-20T21:04:04 < Cracki> there is no safety if you go 160 km/h and have just seconds to react
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2020-03-20T21:04:29 < Cracki> dig dig dig
2020-03-20T21:05:32 < veverak> well
2020-03-20T21:05:38 < veverak> the road crossing is still there :/
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2020-03-20T21:06:02 < Cracki> pay a hobo to stand/sit guard
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2020-03-20T21:06:12 < veverak> does not scale
2020-03-20T21:06:21 < veverak> and I am not sure he would not make it wors
2020-03-20T21:06:21 < Cracki> offer free house and food in return for watch
2020-03-20T21:06:23 < veverak> e
2020-03-20T21:06:24 < BrainDamage> high speed rail has no rail crssing
2020-03-20T21:06:33 < BrainDamage> 350km/h sustained
2020-03-20T21:06:33 < veverak> BrainDamage: our 'high speed' has
2020-03-20T21:06:41 < veverak> but our high speed is 160k afaik
2020-03-20T21:07:00 < veverak> I think that explains why is it only 160km/h
2020-03-20T21:07:01 < veverak> :)
2020-03-20T21:08:13 < veverak> longterm plans are to build 260km/h capable network
2020-03-20T21:08:19 < veverak> but that will take some time
2020-03-20T21:08:24 < veverak> (260+-)
2020-03-20T21:08:48 < srk> In 1974 and 1979 Škoda produced 12 Škoda 66Е locomotives capable of a speed of 200 km/h (124 mph) for the Soviet Union. 
2020-03-20T21:08:51 < srk> lol
2020-03-20T21:09:05 < srk> The locomotives were refurbished in the 1990s and during testing in 2007 one locomotive reached a speed of 262 km/h
2020-03-20T21:09:08 < srk> !!!
2020-03-20T21:09:30 < BrainDamage> the locomotives per se can produce stupid speeds
2020-03-20T21:09:45 < BrainDamage> it's just the engines during test
2020-03-20T21:09:53 < srk> right :)
2020-03-20T21:10:07 < BrainDamage> iirc the record here was 500 something km/h
2020-03-20T21:10:11 < srk> but even with load you can reach such speads albeit slowly
2020-03-20T21:10:19 < srk> *speeds
2020-03-20T21:10:36 < srk> almost
2020-03-20T21:10:55 < srk> there was a good article about TGV record somewhere
2020-03-20T21:11:02 < kakigate> 350km/h collision with a lorry
2020-03-20T21:11:23 < kakigate> that would be something rite?
2020-03-20T21:12:29 < srk> https://mappingignorance.org/2020/01/22/the-limits-of-high-speed-rail/
2020-03-20T21:16:10 < BrainDamage> here the high speed rail goes parallel to the highway tracks
2020-03-20T21:16:32 < BrainDamage> I have a video where you see cars flying by behind
2020-03-20T21:16:54 < BrainDamage> it also solves a bit the problem of uninterrupted lines
2020-03-20T21:17:07 < BrainDamage> since neither allows crossing
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2020-03-20T21:49:20 < Laurenceb> but muh hyperloop
2020-03-20T21:49:59 < Laurenceb> we will solve the problem of hyperloop overheating by boiling water then storing it inside the same container as steam
2020-03-20T21:50:02 < Laurenceb> ^Musk logic
2020-03-20T21:50:26 < Steffanx> Better go back to shaking mate.
2020-03-20T21:50:31 < Steffanx> that was useful.
2020-03-20T21:53:04 < srk> I like the 'we will solve the problem of cities full of cars by drilling tunnels underneath so we can fit more cars'
2020-03-20T21:55:34 < Steffanx> Yes, at least that one was funny
2020-03-20T21:56:33 < Cracki> I like that he's not focusing on specific projects but on the general capability of digging tunnels
2020-03-20T21:56:49 < Cracki> people often complain about trains and highways disfiguring the landscape
2020-03-20T22:01:04 < specing> bicycle tunnels!
2020-03-20T22:01:14 < Laurenceb> I like that he has the understanding of a 5 year old
2020-03-20T22:01:21 < specing> no but how about we just ban cars?
2020-03-20T22:01:28 < Laurenceb> even a 5 year old knows that water expands when it boils
2020-03-20T22:01:29 < specing> it would solve so many problems
2020-03-20T22:01:55 < Cracki> expands meaning pressure rises
2020-03-20T22:02:03 < Cracki> from vacuum to less vacuum
2020-03-20T22:02:27 < Cracki> which means whatever maintains that pressure inside now has to work harder
2020-03-20T22:02:41 < Cracki> good luck just abolishing cars. people will kill you.
2020-03-20T22:02:49 < Cracki> if you're smart, you give a BETTER alternative.
2020-03-20T22:02:58 < Cracki> never fucking ever take something away from people
2020-03-20T22:03:12 < specing> I did
2020-03-20T22:03:14 < specing> bicycles
2020-03-20T22:03:35 < Cracki> taking things away is a direct threat to people
2020-03-20T22:03:45 < Cracki> and should be met with proportional force
2020-03-20T22:03:58 < specing> we'll go extinct otherwise
2020-03-20T22:04:00 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: where is the water stored? on the vehicle or what?
2020-03-20T22:04:03 < specing> we can't go on using cars
2020-03-20T22:04:07 < Cracki> prohibition is retarded
2020-03-20T22:04:10 < Cracki> be smarter.
2020-03-20T22:04:15 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: yeah
2020-03-20T22:04:38 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: dump it on the stations then
2020-03-20T22:04:49 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: the Musk "whitepaper" had water cooled air intakes where the steam went back to the space above the water -  the top of the water tank
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2020-03-20T22:05:01 < BrainDamage> o_O
2020-03-20T22:05:07 < Laurenceb> that was one of many retarded aspects
2020-03-20T22:05:27 < Laurenceb> also the fact that the "limit" he talks about on the first page doesnt exist
2020-03-20T22:05:57 < Laurenceb>  " the Kantrowitz limit"
2020-03-20T22:06:04 < Laurenceb> there is no such thing
2020-03-20T22:06:05 < Steffanx> You're talking about "He"  was his name even on the paper?
2020-03-20T22:06:18 < Laurenceb> Steffanx: he claimed to have written it himself
2020-03-20T22:06:27 < Cracki> wikipedia seems to think it exists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kantrowitz_limit
2020-03-20T22:06:48 < Cracki> with sources claimed from 1945 onwards
2020-03-20T22:07:37 < Laurenceb> written since the musk stuff
2020-03-20T22:07:54 < Cracki> not sure how the speed of a flow would relate to the speed of sound within it
2020-03-20T22:08:02 < Steffanx> link to the actual paper Laurenceb?
2020-03-20T22:08:24 < Cracki> except maybe shear forces between the substance that flows and the container
2020-03-20T22:08:35 < Laurenceb> Cracki: what would actually happen: you get a plug of air in front of the capsule that reaches a high pressure relative to the ambient pressure
2020-03-20T22:08:52 < Cracki> how does that differ from what is claimed?
2020-03-20T22:08:57 < Laurenceb> but the drag force from this plug could easily be made to be very low
2020-03-20T22:09:18 < Laurenceb> Musk claims that suddenly you get crazy high drag if the flow is choked
2020-03-20T22:09:35 < Laurenceb> thats not true and no surprise he never proves it
2020-03-20T22:09:36 < Cracki> drag, pressure, something, yes?
2020-03-20T22:09:55 < Laurenceb> https://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/hyperloop_alpha-20130812.pdf
2020-03-20T22:10:09 < Cracki> I would like to see this experimentally determined too
2020-03-20T22:10:14 < BrainDamage> I'd be surprised if the turbolence from the shock bow doesn't cause instability though
2020-03-20T22:10:32 < Laurenceb> Cracki: choked flow around objects in tubes has been very heavily studied
2020-03-20T22:11:01 < Steffanx> MS Word 2010 yay
2020-03-20T22:11:05 < Laurenceb> at the low pressures hyperloop is planned to run at you could easily just let the flow choke, then build up to a higher pressure and temperature to flow around the capsule
2020-03-20T22:11:33 < Laurenceb> or you know, just interconnect the two tubes every 100m or so and there is close to no issue at all
2020-03-20T22:12:31 < mawk> Steffanx: how do you translate the saying "this is chinese" ?
2020-03-20T22:12:39 < Cracki> hmm that document doesn't impress me
2020-03-20T22:12:44 < mawk> to say something is not understandable
2020-03-20T22:13:27 < Cracki> Laurenceb, who wrote that document again? I didn't notice authors named
2020-03-20T22:13:52 < Laurenceb> Cracki: nobody knows, but Musk has claimed he was the main author or even wrote close to all of it
2020-03-20T22:14:12 < Cracki> a benevolent interpretation is that he's the typist
2020-03-20T22:14:17 < Laurenceb> heh
2020-03-20T22:14:44 < Laurenceb> I dont see why there is a resonant mode analysis of a concrete pillar in one part...
2020-03-20T22:14:53 < Cracki> wat
2020-03-20T22:14:57 < Cracki> *undo close tab*
2020-03-20T22:14:58 < Laurenceb> >this is the most pressing design problem of hyperloop
2020-03-20T22:15:13 < Laurenceb> in the construction and design section or whatever its called
2020-03-20T22:15:23 < Cracki> ah, that was when they still wanted to put a tube on sticks in the landscape
2020-03-20T22:15:28 < Laurenceb> yeah
2020-03-20T22:16:02 < Steffanx> "dit is chinees"  mawk
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2020-03-20T22:16:18 < mawk> no others Steffanx ?
2020-03-20T22:16:28 < mawk> I heard "dit is abakadabra"
2020-03-20T22:17:10 < BrainDamage> english has "this is greek to me"
2020-03-20T22:17:17 < Cracki> https://en.bab.la/dictionary/english-dutch/it-s-all-greek-to-me
2020-03-20T22:17:36 < Steffanx> oh that's not what oyu asked mawk :P
2020-03-20T22:18:31 < Steffanx> if you meant what BrainDamage then abracadabra would be a good fit.
2020-03-20T22:18:37 < Steffanx> *bd said
2020-03-20T22:19:30 < mawk> in french we say "this is chinese" or "this is hebrew"
2020-03-20T22:19:56 < BrainDamage> it'd be sufficient to say "this is not french", considering the snobbism
2020-03-20T22:20:09 < doomba> (((chinese))) virus
2020-03-20T22:20:13 < jpa-> "this is some barbarian language"
2020-03-20T22:20:23 < Steffanx> but "chinees"  would work, but isnt that a bit inappropriate nowadays? :P
2020-03-20T22:20:23 < mawk> lol BrainDamage 
2020-03-20T22:20:25 < Steffanx> Such racism et all
2020-03-20T22:20:29 < mawk> lol
2020-03-20T22:23:51 < Steffanx> mawk: you can also say "fins"  because "fins" is also gibberish.
2020-03-20T22:23:56 < Steffanx> to me.
2020-03-20T22:24:42 < jpa-> fish swim with fins
2020-03-20T22:25:14 < Steffanx> perhaps, but not in dutchland
2020-03-20T22:25:31 < Steffanx> then it would be "vinnen"
2020-03-20T22:26:50 < mawk> v = f
2020-03-20T22:26:58 < mawk> in german
2020-03-20T22:27:03 < mawk> then dutchs ruined everything
2020-03-20T22:27:09 < mawk> v is supposed to be pronounced f
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2020-03-20T22:28:19 < Steffanx> try to hear the different between "vin"  and "fin"  mawk :)
2020-03-20T22:28:41 < Steffanx> one is a fin, the other is a finnish person.
2020-03-20T22:36:08 < karlp> w is v for icelanders.
2020-03-20T22:36:15 < karlp> v is v, and w is just v too.
2020-03-20T22:36:27 < karlp> you can call them on it, and they're like, what?
2020-03-20T22:37:03 < Steffanx> HAH
2020-03-20T22:37:04 < Steffanx> )
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2020-03-20T22:38:24 < karlp> doesn't help that they call it double vee, not double you, and it isn't in icelandic itself.
2020-03-20T22:38:39 < karlp> they're just blind to it.
2020-03-20T22:41:28 < mawk> w is v in german too
2020-03-20T22:41:32 < BrainDamage> v and w are the same in italian too
2020-03-20T22:41:38 < BrainDamage> and j and i
2020-03-20T22:41:53 < mawk> in french it depends lol
2020-03-20T22:41:58 < mawk> every letter depends on the context
2020-03-20T22:41:58 < BrainDamage> junior gets spelled iunior
2020-03-20T22:42:00 < mawk> too many exceptions
2020-03-20T22:42:10 < mawk> julia
2020-03-20T22:42:23 < BrainDamage> in italian, that'd be giulia
2020-03-20T22:42:39 < BrainDamage> in italian pronounciation is actually pretty solid
2020-03-20T22:43:03 < BrainDamage> there's about 5 or so exceptions, and they are not the context but 3 adjacent combination of letters
2020-03-20T22:44:29 < qyx> julia is you-lee-a
2020-03-20T22:44:30 < tcth_> > italy
2020-03-20T22:45:12 < BrainDamage> gl, sc, gh, sch and probably one I forgot
2020-03-20T23:21:49 < Steffanx> swisserlanguage is weird too tcth_.
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2020-03-20T23:25:30 < Steffanx> lol bye tcth_
2020-03-20T23:39:15 < jadew> jpa-, funny
2020-03-20T23:40:48 < Steffanx> Is jadew doing sarcasm?
2020-03-20T23:41:27 < jadew> it was in relation to a comment he made about "the first death in Romania"
2020-03-20T23:41:38 < jadew> no sarcasm on my part
2020-03-20T23:42:02 < jadew> maybe just a little :P
2020-03-20T23:42:21 < jadew> turns out these days are great for shopping in here
2020-03-20T23:42:28 < jadew> very few customers
2020-03-20T23:44:35 < karlp> foudn yeast yet?
2020-03-20T23:44:44 < jadew> no
2020-03-20T23:44:48 < jadew> still out of stock everywhere
2020-03-20T23:45:40 < jadew> they've ramped up production, and it's expected to hit the shelves soon, but it's probably going to disappear very fast
2020-03-20T23:47:21 < jadew> online stores have completely removed the product from their site - not clear why they did that
2020-03-20T23:47:29 < jadew> but it's the same move they did with the masks
2020-03-20T23:48:01 < jadew> possibly because of the inquiries
2020-03-20T23:49:31 < jadew> toilet paper seems to be still in stock
2020-03-20T23:49:42 < jadew> even if some positions are going out of stock from time to time
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2020-03-20T23:57:38 < Steffanx> How many masks did you buy jadew?
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2020-03-21T00:05:25 < mawk> 10^3
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2020-03-21T00:19:12 < karlp> fack, cant' find my notes on what dmm I was going to buy
2020-03-21T00:32:32 < karlp> bleh, was going to use a meter to pad a tme order, but they only have older brymen parts, not the newer S suffix parts
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2020-03-21T00:39:00 < jly> good morning Steffanx 
2020-03-21T00:39:20 < Steffanx> Hellooo welcooome 
2020-03-21T00:39:33 < jly> have bat?
2020-03-21T00:39:40 < jly> go.bat
2020-03-21T00:39:45 < Steffanx> No sir
2020-03-21T00:41:38 < jly> have you found the bug yet?
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2020-03-21T00:52:31 < Steffanx> Yeah. It was a flea.
2020-03-21T00:53:07 < jly> Is jolly safu?
2020-03-21T00:53:07 < karlp> stupid tme doesn't have the usb2517 in stock either.  what was I thinking choosing a cheap case there...
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2020-03-21T00:58:05 < qyx> tme has nearly none such things
2020-03-21T00:58:18 < karlp> well, it has nice cheap polish cases,
2020-03-21T00:58:31 < karlp> but I thought I'd be able to get some other bits to make the order worthwhile
2020-03-21T00:58:37 < karlp> they onyl seem to have older byrmen meters, 
2020-03-21T00:58:38 < qyx> such things = chips with soo many legs
2020-03-21T00:58:45 < karlp> re your 120uF requirement,
2020-03-21T00:58:46 < qyx> in QFN O_o
2020-03-21T00:59:03 < qyx> yeah, thats not mine
2020-03-21T00:59:18 < qyx> also I used 100u too :P
2020-03-21T00:59:20 < karlp> I found that 220uF in 6.3x5.4 is ~equally cheap
2020-03-21T00:59:36 < karlp> but I was looking at the docs of the ap3511 switch, and it's got charts with 1uF, 33uF, and 10uF :)
2020-03-21T00:59:50 < karlp> so I'm a little concerned about dumping a 220uF electro there :)
2020-03-21T01:00:47 < karlp> but it sometimes talks about Cin being 33uF electro, I'd put the bulk caps on teh port side of the switch, but perhaps they're meant to be on the input side of the switches
2020-03-21T01:01:19 < karlp> ah no, typical application circuit, output side, 0.1uF and 150uF in parallel
2020-03-21T01:01:59 < karlp> fuck 150 though.
2020-03-21T01:02:01 < karlp> yolo
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2020-03-21T01:06:42 < jadew> Steffanx, I bought ~10 for my wife, and I'm cycling through 3 when I go out
2020-03-21T01:09:04 < jadew> karlp, what price range?
2020-03-21T01:13:15 < jly> pseudoephedrine
2020-03-21T01:14:26 < englishman> who is going house shopping
2020-03-21T01:14:31 < englishman> they are on sale this week
2020-03-21T01:15:02 < jly> maybe I will
2020-03-21T01:16:36 < jadew> englishman, they'll be on a better sale in a couple of months
2020-03-21T01:16:44 < jadew> just before the crash of the banking system
2020-03-21T01:18:04 < karlp> meters? eh, infinite, getting aroudn to buying a 40th bday present.
2020-03-21T01:18:15 < karlp> I was looking at the 525s or the 867s
2020-03-21T01:18:23 < jadew> ah, neat
2020-03-21T01:18:28 < jly> i want to buy an amplifier
2020-03-21T01:18:36 < karlp> you have the 867 or the 867s?
2020-03-21T01:18:38 < jadew> I have the 867, don't know if it has an S after it
2020-03-21T01:18:53 < karlp> it's a little hard to find the comparison, in some of them it's an updated display
2020-03-21T01:18:56 < karlp> in some it adds features
2020-03-21T01:18:58 < jadew> no S
2020-03-21T01:19:11 < karlp> like 525 vs 525s adds non contact EM field for mains detection
2020-03-21T01:19:17 < englishman> happy birthday karlp
2020-03-21T01:19:20 < jadew> right
2020-03-21T01:19:27 < jadew> yes, happy birthday!
2020-03-21T01:19:28 < karlp> englishman: was like 8 months ago :)
2020-03-21T01:19:30 < jadew> ah
2020-03-21T01:20:04 < jadew> I thought that when you turn 40, you're supposed to get a convertible
2020-03-21T01:20:25 < englishman> get yourself one of these https://teledynelecroy.com/tdr-and-s-parameters/series.aspx?mseries=592
2020-03-21T01:20:32 < englishman> it's like $40k, very appropriate
2020-03-21T01:20:33 < karlp> not that infinite :)
2020-03-21T01:20:55 < englishman> you could get a 1992 miata
2020-03-21T01:20:56 < karlp> I was thinking of replacing hte $10 meter I've had floating around since I was like 17 or so.
2020-03-21T01:21:07 < karlp> I bet I actually _couldn't_ get a miata.
2020-03-21T01:21:19 < englishman> oh yeah maybe you're right.
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2020-03-21T01:22:43 < karlp> well, apparently a few people have them thouhg:https://www.mazda.is/is/moya/news/mazda-miata-hittingur
2020-03-21T01:22:50 < karlp> I don't remember ever seeing one here though
2020-03-21T01:23:00 < englishman> how long is convertible season
2020-03-21T01:23:24 < karlp> hahah
2020-03-21T01:23:38 < englishman> oh cool, you can actually buy the 1.5L
2020-03-21T01:24:54 < jly> happy birthday karlp 
2020-03-21T01:24:58 < jly> are you in australia?
2020-03-21T01:25:30 < karlp> nah, 
2020-03-21T01:25:39 < karlp> maybe go visit 2022 next.
2020-03-21T01:25:42 < karlp> see how things are.
2020-03-21T01:25:58 < karlp> have some fam visiting (in theory) this summer, but *shrugs*
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2020-03-21T01:26:21 < jly> is 11am ok for first beer of the day?
2020-03-21T01:26:34 < doomba> only if it's corona
2020-03-21T01:26:41 < jly> lowenbrau
2020-03-21T01:26:48 < englishman> New York liquor stores are deemed essential businesses
2020-03-21T01:26:56 < karlp> I just upgraded my beer glass to wine duty, sure it's ok to h ave a beer
2020-03-21T01:27:00 < karlp> it's a weekend isn't it jly?
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2020-03-21T01:27:20 < jly> karlp: good point, in all this self isolation I don't even know what year it is
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2020-03-21T01:29:34 < karlp> englishman: looks like one for sale: https://bilasolur.is/CarDetails.aspx?bid=84&cid=100702
2020-03-21T01:29:51 < englishman> Engar upplýsingar fundust um ökutæki.
2020-03-21T01:29:57 < karlp> https://bilasolur.is/CarDetails.aspx?bid=84&cid=100702&sid=636391&schid=b9aed241-166b-4e67-bea0-acddf35fe46f ?
2020-03-21T01:30:05 < englishman> cool
2020-03-21T01:30:17 < karlp> that's the _only_ one for sale
2020-03-21T01:30:21 < karlp> well, used.
2020-03-21T01:30:24 < englishman> 25% discount after 19k km
2020-03-21T01:30:28 < jly> lol
2020-03-21T01:30:31 < englishman> any early 90s one?
2020-03-21T01:30:31 < karlp> shitty fucking mileage for a 1.5L
2020-03-21T01:30:44 < englishman> gas is cheap now tho
2020-03-21T01:30:44 < jly> nah mate XD Falcon with the 351
2020-03-21T01:30:46 < englishman> who cares
2020-03-21T01:30:50 < jly> and ashtrays in back doors too
2020-03-21T01:31:03 < karlp> early 90s cars aren't really for sale here unless they're a modified land cruiser orr patrol
2020-03-21T01:31:07 < karlp> nothing else is worth keeping at that age
2020-03-21T01:31:09 < englishman> :<
2020-03-21T01:31:12 < englishman> inspections?
2020-03-21T01:31:13 < karlp> salt and rust ate them all
2020-03-21T01:31:19 < englishman> oh
2020-03-21T01:31:24 < englishman> thats why convertibles
2020-03-21T01:31:28 < englishman> noone drives them in winter
2020-03-21T01:31:40 < karlp> well, yeah, the cruiser club has all sorts of classics
2020-03-21T01:31:57 < karlp> but they arent' "for sale" the way you have in north america with 30000000000 million people
2020-03-21T01:32:12 < englishman> i picked up 300kg of topsoil in the tesla today
2020-03-21T01:32:18 < englishman> soon it'll be more valuable than gold
2020-03-21T01:32:23 < englishman> if jadew/doomba get their way
2020-03-21T01:32:30 < karlp> waterworld hey
2020-03-21T01:32:31 < doomba> https://i.imgur.com/BSTZSGU.jpg
2020-03-21T01:33:39 < karlp> I should get one of these for my multimeter
2020-03-21T01:33:40 < jly> yeah muscles
2020-03-21T01:33:48 < jly> rolling papers?
2020-03-21T01:33:49 < karlp> three phase SMU, 
2020-03-21T01:34:12 < karlp> only 1/4 the price of your wavepulser englishman 
2020-03-21T01:34:21 < karlp> oh shit, url is https://www.calmet.com.pl/en/features
2020-03-21T01:34:41 < karlp> https://www.calmet.com.pl/en/power-calibrators-and-power-quality-calibrators/966-ts33-three-phase-fully-automatic-test-system-with-reference-standard-and-integrated-current-and-voltage-source probably a betterr long term url
2020-03-21T01:34:45 < englishman> yeah thats 40Hz not 40GHz
2020-03-21T01:35:24 < karlp> can the eye even see more than 40hz?! aliens!
2020-03-21T01:35:33 < karlp> teledyne is selling you kool aid!
2020-03-21T01:35:49 < karlp> quick, usb hub proiject name
2020-03-21T01:36:31 < karlp> autismhub, syndromehub and friends are appealing
2020-03-21T01:36:39 < englishman> github
2020-03-21T01:36:44 < karlp> hah
2020-03-21T01:36:57 < karlp> thegithub, a hub for gits
2020-03-21T01:37:05 < c_j_b> gronkhub
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2020-03-21T01:37:32 < BrainDamage> ron hub-bard
2020-03-21T01:37:38 < jly> lol
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2020-03-21T01:38:02 < jly> how is the scene BrainDamage ?
2020-03-21T01:38:27 < BrainDamage> depressing as usual
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2020-03-21T01:38:57 < jly> I've locked myself up
2020-03-21T01:40:27 < karlp> tempted to go with icehub.
2020-03-21T01:40:40 < karlp> trendy iceland, ice is like meth, always cool, and not in use
2020-03-21T01:40:54 < karlp> except for the whole icehub.net...
2020-03-21T01:41:23 < karlp> hubbish...
2020-03-21T01:44:03 < jly> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wjetwYea/brd.png
2020-03-21T01:44:23 < jly> my friend flew to Sydney to search for birds it seems
2020-03-21T01:46:19 < Laurenceb> C:\> WUHAN.BAT
2020-03-21T01:47:23 < jly> C:\>nigger
2020-03-21T01:47:23 < jly> 'nigger' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
2020-03-21T01:47:23 < jly> operable program or batch file.
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2020-03-21T02:04:31 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/XbAd8Nj.png
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2020-03-21T02:05:18 < jly> ty sir, is their any more white cat news?
2020-03-21T02:05:29 < jly> THERE
2020-03-21T02:05:40 < englishman> did i send you the bathtub one
2020-03-21T02:05:47 < jly> yeah that was very good
2020-03-21T02:05:51 < englishman> yeah lol
2020-03-21T02:06:44 < jly> I'm still sad about mrkn's disappearing act
2020-03-21T02:07:02 < englishman> yeah. but why would you let your kitty outside
2020-03-21T02:07:05 < englishman> poor mrkn
2020-03-21T02:07:14 < jly> yeah :(
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2020-03-21T02:22:03 < jly> hi kakimir
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2020-03-21T02:33:47 < jadew> BrainDamage, is Italy still operating below the maximum ICU level?
2020-03-21T02:42:35 < kakigate> jly is everywhere. *sweating*
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2020-03-21T02:42:57 < jly> hi kakigate 
2020-03-21T02:43:06 < kakigate> hello
2020-03-21T02:43:15 < kakigate> what kind of project to start
2020-03-21T02:43:42 < jly> a cure for the bat flu
2020-03-21T02:44:21 < jly> and VisualDSP for free
2020-03-21T02:46:51 < jadew> https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2020/03/17/facebook-deleting-coronavirus-posts-leading-to-charges-of-censorship/
2020-03-21T02:47:05 < jadew> facebook & co are censoring the news
2020-03-21T02:47:21 < jly> hahahaha
2020-03-21T02:47:41 < jadew> "do not panic" by not allowing the truth to be shown
2020-03-21T02:48:32 < jadew> I find it difficult to find amateur video from Italy
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2020-03-21T02:54:09 < qyx> why openwrt
2020-03-21T02:54:11 < qyx> Mode: Master  Channel: unknown (2.407 GHz)
2020-03-21T02:54:50 < jadew> neat
2020-03-21T02:54:53 < jadew> how did you do that?
2020-03-21T02:55:13 < jadew> but your device will have to be able to tune to that channel too
2020-03-21T02:55:25 < qyx> idk
2020-03-21T02:55:39 < qyx> I have one phy, it has a STA and an AP
2020-03-21T02:55:46 < qyx> if the STA is not connected, the AP doesn't work
2020-03-21T02:56:00 < qyx> for whatvere reason
2020-03-21T02:56:22 < qyx> and iwinfo says it it tuned to 2.407GHz
2020-03-21T02:58:03 < oz4ga> signs of life. good we are all not dead by corona
2020-03-21T02:58:45 < karlp> englishman: is that us/italy thing normalized for population or is it just bullshit?
2020-03-21T02:59:17 < englishman> normalized for what
2020-03-21T02:59:21 < englishman> lack of testing?
2020-03-21T02:59:29 < englishman> it's just numbers
2020-03-21T02:59:32 < karlp> qyx: yarh, ap+sta in openwrt is normally pretty lame
2020-03-21T02:59:47 < karlp> no, I mean, comparing cases is abusrd when you have hugly different populations
2020-03-21T03:00:20 < karlp> qyx: I'venot tried for a whiel, but last I was looking at it, if STA couldn't connect, the AP was ~dead because the sta was continually trying to connect and couldn't timeshare with the ap properly.
2020-03-21T03:00:21 < qyx> I found your comments somewhere on githubs
2020-03-21T03:00:26 < karlp> heh
2020-03-21T03:00:37 < karlp> allegedly newer hostpad fixes this, but I'm not terrribly convinced.
2020-03-21T03:00:40 < qyx> it looks the same here
2020-03-21T03:00:50 < karlp> I gave up on it, hoped it would get better "in the future"
2020-03-21T03:01:07 < karlp> but I've not seen a lot of evidence that anything meaningful has improved.
2020-03-21T03:01:09 < qyx> now even the STA doesn't work
2020-03-21T03:01:42 < qyx> Sat Mar 21 01:00:57 2020 daemon.notice netifd: radio0 (8569): Command failed: Not found
2020-03-21T03:01:44 < karlp> englishman: I mean, "cases" for the two countries should be cases per capita.
2020-03-21T03:01:48 < qyx> I have log full of those
2020-03-21T03:01:54 < karlp> that... is not normal
2020-03-21T03:01:59 < karlp> are you on master?
2020-03-21T03:02:15 < karlp> that looks like netifd bustage from some stuff recentlyish. that should be reported.
2020-03-21T03:02:20 < qyx> also executable path /usr/sbin/wpad does not match process  path (/proc/exe)
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2020-03-21T03:02:54 < qyx> ok, reboot
2020-03-21T03:03:44 < karlp> that's super busted... wtf is that
2020-03-21T03:05:18 < qyx> disabled sta, reboot, now ap works at least
2020-03-21T03:07:31 < qyx> yeah channel is now 6 instead of that weird one
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2020-03-21T03:10:24 < qyx> after changing sta ssid to a nonexistent one and enabling, the whole thing breaks
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2020-03-21T03:22:43 < jadew> man... the whole fucking internet is being censored
2020-03-21T03:23:25 < jadew> I remember seeing a video from Italy on a Romanian news channel, and then a second one somewhere else, from people who had relatives dying of the ncov in Italy and they're nowhere to be found anymore
2020-03-21T03:24:55 < jly> indeed
2020-03-21T03:25:01 < jly> the chinese bug 
2020-03-21T03:25:22 < jly> they engineered the jews to shut it down
2020-03-21T03:25:50 < jadew> most videos I can find from Italy are from before the lockdown
2020-03-21T03:26:13 < jadew> either that, or they're still roaming the streets en masse
2020-03-21T03:26:54 < jly> imagine a world without china
2020-03-21T03:27:11 < jly> where bats do not live in fear
2020-03-21T03:27:16 < jadew> lol
2020-03-21T03:28:11 < jly> donald pump
2020-03-21T03:28:18 < jly> his new border will be around china
2020-03-21T03:42:48 < englishman> A woman in her 70s, in Japan:
2020-03-21T03:42:48 < englishman> Day #1: 38° fever for a few minutes
2020-03-21T03:42:48 < englishman> Day #2-3: went on a bus tour
2020-03-21T03:42:52 < englishman> v smart
2020-03-21T03:43:15 < englishman> 70 is the new 20
2020-03-21T03:43:22 < zyp> sup
2020-03-21T03:43:38 < englishman> nanopb on msp430 sucks
2020-03-21T03:43:43 < englishman> due to 32 bit library functions
2020-03-21T03:44:10 < englishman> the fun part? everything on msp320 sucks
2020-03-21T03:44:19 < zyp> msp430 sucks
2020-03-21T03:44:24 < zyp> don't need more words than that
2020-03-21T03:44:47 < englishman> it makes me want to ignore ti's cortex-a parts
2020-03-21T03:44:51 < englishman> just because msp430 sucks so much
2020-03-21T03:45:17 < zyp> as far as I remember, lm4f sucks too
2020-03-21T03:45:31 < MrMobius> *sigh* we revisit this propaganda every 6 months or so
2020-03-21T03:45:50 < englishman> i revisit it every day.
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2020-03-21T04:20:48 < Laurenceb> reee Trump stole muh ideas
2020-03-21T04:20:58 < Laurenceb> for curing the bat flu
2020-03-21T04:21:36 < jadew> https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/03/20/greek-researchers-discover-mechanism-leading-to-coronavirus-pneumonia/
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2020-03-21T04:44:26 < englishman> In response to COVID-19, all online courses are available for free to all NI customers until the end of April.
2020-03-21T04:44:31 < englishman> great time to learn labVIEW
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2020-03-21T04:52:01 < jadew> heh
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2020-03-21T06:20:53 < jadew> currently we have 1 ncov death per minute
2020-03-21T06:43:37 < kakigate> if funland has case of there is code words
2020-03-21T06:45:08 < kakigate> "cause of death is not disclased for privacy of deceased"
2020-03-21T06:45:26 < jadew> heh
2020-03-21T06:46:41 < kakigate> special policy as neighbour of ussr russia has lead into interesting policies that have kept evolving even after dissolution of ussr
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2020-03-21T06:47:59 < englishman> i hope you have plenty of ammo for your konepistooli
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2020-03-21T06:51:22 < kakigate> not too much
2020-03-21T06:54:53 < kakigate> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi53_WqZFMU sleep musics for englishman
2020-03-21T06:55:25 < englishman> ty kaku
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2020-03-21T07:50:38 < emeb_mac> whew - liquor stores are "essential" - can stay open during lockdown.
2020-03-21T07:54:17 < kakigate> it has been like 2 days of emergency law
2020-03-21T07:55:47 < kakigate> I bet it has increased the thirst quite a lot
2020-03-21T08:12:08 < jpa-> englishman: wife is panicked about returning to work on monday - not because of ncov but because there is some labview work waiting for her :)
2020-03-21T08:42:14 < emeb_mac> labview - worse than ncov
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2020-03-21T08:55:08 < jadew> I think Moses is at it again, and this time it's punishing the chinese: https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=acAC2_1584621737
2020-03-21T08:55:15 < jadew> *he's
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2020-03-21T09:28:48 < jly> GOODAY SPORT
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2020-03-21T09:43:26 < qyx> 02:44 < englishman> it makes me want to ignore ti's cortex-a parts
2020-03-21T09:43:29 < qyx> octavo \o/
2020-03-21T09:44:44 < qyx> jpa-: lol labview
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2020-03-21T09:48:11 < jly> IRC is great for coronavirus
2020-03-21T09:49:46 < qyx> pcie obsession blogging #8: some new miniPCIe LTE modems use PCIe pairs for USB3 SS
2020-03-21T09:50:03 < qyx> they does autodetection on boot if SS is available
2020-03-21T09:50:47 < qyx> long story short, they sometimes fail to detect in miniPCIe slots with PCIe lanes connected
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2020-03-21T09:54:23 < srk> lol
2020-03-21T09:54:25 < srk> You can restart the car (in the middle of the road, even) by holding the two on-wheel buttons.
2020-03-21T09:54:35 < srk> right :D
2020-03-21T09:55:46 < jly> meow
2020-03-21T09:56:00 < srk> haha, looks like you can crash tesla UI with javascript :D:D
2020-03-21T09:59:28 < jly> sup bois https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/TP0p8ZZ1/lol.png
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2020-03-21T10:23:15 < karlp> qyx: yeyah, the big takeaway was that if you try and do STA+AP, and you get the STA password wrong, the AP stops working.
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2020-03-21T10:35:26 < qyx> karlp: theres apparently some dynap package to solve it
2020-03-21T10:35:41 < qyx> if connection fails, it reconfigures the whole thing back to AP
2020-03-21T10:36:54 < qyx> dynapoint or how is it called
2020-03-21T11:11:33 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUnVxjaWIBM\
2020-03-21T11:11:35 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUnVxjaWIBM
2020-03-21T11:22:26 < Cracki> https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_20_marzo.pdf
2020-03-21T11:22:35 < Cracki> high average age
2020-03-21T11:23:27 < Cracki> sad stories of dying faces foment fear and hysteria
2020-03-21T11:24:13 < Cracki> jadew, put a dozen coffins in relation to how many die regularly of old age
2020-03-21T11:24:14 < jadew> that article was saying that they're seeing more 30 and 40 year olds
2020-03-21T11:24:20 < Cracki> "more"
2020-03-21T11:24:23 < Cracki> look at the numbers
2020-03-21T11:24:28 < Cracki> you will see outliers
2020-03-21T11:24:37 < t4nk_freenode> yeh, in other words: fear mongering, and the worst fear mongerers are right here, non-stop-24-7
2020-03-21T11:24:39 < Cracki> you will see some numbers
2020-03-21T11:25:04 < Cracki> statistics is when you don't pick your numbers, you look at the whole
2020-03-21T11:25:30 < Cracki> and the whole says, 70-80% had preexisting conditions, average age above 80
2020-03-21T11:25:43 < Cracki> which is when people die all kinds of things, because they're old
2020-03-21T11:26:41 < Cracki> the pile-up of coffins is because a few more than normal die, and capacities to handle this were never needed
2020-03-21T11:27:12 < Cracki> it's uneconomical to maintain capacities you neither need regularly nor have seen in a long while
2020-03-21T11:27:48 < t4nk_freenode> and in case of braincapacity, it seems almost impossible to have some, For some
2020-03-21T11:28:04 < Cracki> if you want a conspiracy theory: someone looked at cellular service subscriber numbers for china. according to those numbers, 7-14 million people must have "gone offline permanently"
2020-03-21T11:29:01 < Cracki> t4nk_freenode, I wouldn't say that. I'd say to be wary of propaganda designed to manufacture fear, make people lose their minds, and react according to plan
2020-03-21T11:29:22 < t4nk_freenode> and what are you, and the others here doing?
2020-03-21T11:29:35 < Cracki> be specific
2020-03-21T11:30:12 < t4nk_freenode> yapping about some clear nonsense 24/7 ...couldn't that be exactly BE the fear-mongering?
2020-03-21T11:30:20 < Cracki> is there anything you don't like about my conduct
2020-03-21T11:30:26 < Cracki> use concrete examples
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2020-03-21T11:32:20 < Cracki> I'll take that for an answer :)
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2020-03-21T11:33:07 < t4nk_freenode> well, the actual answer was.. that if it neede clarification.. the trouble of explaining would exceed the whole matter in the first place
2020-03-21T11:33:48 < jadew> t4nk_freenode, you think the fear of this thing is irrational?
2020-03-21T11:34:00 < t4nk_freenode> shoe-bet-ya
2020-03-21T11:34:09 < qyx> yre you boris?
2020-03-21T11:34:27 < jadew> t4nk_freenode, what do you know that I don't?
2020-03-21T11:34:43 < t4nk_freenode> history, for one!
2020-03-21T11:34:58 < jadew> go on
2020-03-21T11:35:35 < Cracki> jadew, don't engage. it's pointless. he addressed me but couldn't even point out where I perpetrate "fear-mongering"
2020-03-21T11:35:38 < Cracki> clear trolling
2020-03-21T11:35:53 < t4nk_freenode> lol
2020-03-21T11:36:05 < t4nk_freenode> I've been pretty clear indeed
2020-03-21T11:36:18 < t4nk_freenode> if you don't undertand, I'm sorry for that
2020-03-21T11:36:57 < jadew> let me show you something
2020-03-21T11:37:07 < qyx> I don't understand neither
2020-03-21T11:37:16 < t4nk_freenode> I can :)
2020-03-21T11:37:22 < qyx> we know jadew is in panic mode, but otherwise we are all ~ok
2020-03-21T11:37:32 < jadew> you should be too
2020-03-21T11:37:39 < jadew> but I'm not exactly in panic mode
2020-03-21T11:37:49 < jadew> anyway, give me 20 seconds
2020-03-21T11:37:52 < t4nk_freenode> I've been here for a couple of days now
2020-03-21T11:38:04 < t4nk_freenode> after I bought a few stm32 chips
2020-03-21T11:38:04 < tcth_> morning people - how`s life?
2020-03-21T11:38:23 < srk> viral
2020-03-21T11:38:28 < Cracki> I wish
2020-03-21T11:38:34 < t4nk_freenode> but I have hardly seen any discussion about chips
2020-03-21T11:38:38 < jpa-> t4nk_freenode: uh, you do realize that this is #corona32, the #stm32 name is just a holdover
2020-03-21T11:38:44 < t4nk_freenode> lol
2020-03-21T11:38:51 < jpa-> corona discussions 32 hours a day
2020-03-21T11:38:55 < jadew> ok, so here it is
2020-03-21T11:39:00 < t4nk_freenode> youknow.. someone warned me for that befor I came here
2020-03-21T11:39:07 < jadew> http://188.25.126.97/stuff/ncov-day-35/cov-deaths.png
2020-03-21T11:39:08 < Cracki> great, we like it this way
2020-03-21T11:39:09 < srk> feel free to start any chip related discussion
2020-03-21T11:39:12 < jadew> http://188.25.126.97/stuff/ncov-day-55/cov-deaths.png
2020-03-21T11:39:19 < jadew> http://188.25.126.97/stuff/ncov-day-59/cov-deaths.png (today)
2020-03-21T11:39:32 < jpa-> t4nk_freenode: so that's what they warn about now? usually the ##stm32 disclaimer was that "they may give you answers, but it's a channel full of dickheads"
2020-03-21T11:39:45 < t4nk_freenode> lol
2020-03-21T11:40:01 < jadew> that graph looks even worse than I predicted it would
2020-03-21T11:40:37 < qyx> t4nk_freenode: few days is not statistically relevant
2020-03-21T11:40:42 < jpa-> jadew: yeah, hopefully your graphing package can handle fully vertical lines also
2020-03-21T11:40:47 < jadew> 4 days ago when I made the previous one, I told my wife I don't think it's even going to get out of that time division by the time it gets to 12k, and it seems it's true
2020-03-21T11:40:51 < qyx> jadew: .d
2020-03-21T11:40:56 < Cracki> jadew, world population / life expectation[years] / 365 is how many die every day regardless
2020-03-21T11:40:57 < jadew> jpa-, heh
2020-03-21T11:41:09 < qyx> jpa-: :D
2020-03-21T11:41:09 < Cracki> now what fraction of that is attributed to this virus
2020-03-21T11:41:21 < t4nk_freenode> but jadew .. for example.. how many of your close friends have died?
2020-03-21T11:41:26 < t4nk_freenode> of the virus that is
2020-03-21T11:41:34 < jadew> t4nk_freenode, that's a retarded question
2020-03-21T11:41:38 < jadew> it's not at full spread
2020-03-21T11:41:45 < jadew> this is just the beginning
2020-03-21T11:41:49 < jadew> you realize that, right?
2020-03-21T11:42:00 < t4nk_freenode> I guess that's your way of saying... none?
2020-03-21T11:42:16 < Cracki> jadew, 280k people die every day on this planet. the virus is what, a percent of that?
2020-03-21T11:42:17 < Steffanx> You're a dickhead jpa-  
2020-03-21T11:42:32 < jpa-> Steffanx: my son calls me "poopyhead"
2020-03-21T11:42:38 < jadew> t4nk_freenode, yeah, like no Italians died of it a couple of weeks ago
2020-03-21T11:42:41 < jadew> what is your point?
2020-03-21T11:42:46 < Steffanx> Hah, where did he get that from jpa-  
2020-03-21T11:42:56 < jpa-> Steffanx: daycare
2020-03-21T11:43:12 < jpa-> he's told me that they call everyone poopyheads in the daycare
2020-03-21T11:43:33 < Cracki> italy: 60 million / 82.5 years / 365 = 2000 people every day, old age
2020-03-21T11:43:34 < jadew> Cracki, there might be some overlap there, but did you see that video from Italy with the obituaries?
2020-03-21T11:43:43 < t4nk_freenode> my point is.. as long as I'm not dying.. I'm not gonna be scared to death
2020-03-21T11:43:44 < jadew> 10 times more pages
2020-03-21T11:43:45 < Cracki> big numbers, remember
2020-03-21T11:43:57 < jadew> t4nk_freenode, not even for your loved ones?
2020-03-21T11:44:09 < jpa-> t4nk_freenode: why would dying scare you?
2020-03-21T11:44:11 < jadew> for old people the odds are not 1 in 500
2020-03-21T11:44:17 < jpa-> i'm more scared of being sick :)
2020-03-21T11:44:26 < t4nk_freenode> lol, I got rid of those a long time ago, jadew ;)
2020-03-21T11:44:30 < jpa-> (and possibly permanent lung damage)
2020-03-21T11:44:30 < Cracki> also obits aren't an official registry of deaths, they're when someone wants to put it there
2020-03-21T11:44:39 < jadew> yep, being sick, food shortages, etc
2020-03-21T11:44:45 < jadew> lots of shit can go wrong because of this
2020-03-21T11:45:01 < Cracki> lots of that shit is because of panic, not because of retired people dying
2020-03-21T11:45:09 < jadew> Cracki, I think in some countries it's mandatory to put it there
2020-03-21T11:45:12 < jadew> don't know about Italy
2020-03-21T11:45:16 < jadew> I think it's mandatory in here
2020-03-21T11:45:17 < jpa-> also if whole australia dies before May 31th, i won't get my remaining $4000 from this project
2020-03-21T11:45:46 < Steffanx> So better keep jly  alive
2020-03-21T11:45:52 < t4nk_freenode> yeah, no, jpa-, not scared of dying, .. I'd invite it even! However.. the thought of pain or fear at the moment of death is a bit scary( which is a tad silly of course, because it would be all over)
2020-03-21T11:46:02 < Steffanx> Is jly alright? Do you know?
2020-03-21T11:46:48 < Steffanx> Lol t4nk_freenode with this kind of talk you're suddenly a perfect ##stm32-fit
2020-03-21T11:46:55 < Steffanx> Hah
2020-03-21T11:46:58 < t4nk_freenode> hehe
2020-03-21T11:47:25 < t4nk_freenode> they bought stm32, now they just wanna die.
2020-03-21T11:47:52 < jpa-> no, not immediately, only after downloading the STM32CUBE
2020-03-21T11:48:09 < srk> Is ST alright?
2020-03-21T11:48:18 < Steffanx> Do you know?
2020-03-21T11:48:23 < jpa-> there is a good reason why ST requires you to register before downloading, otherwise they have no way to track the death percentage
2020-03-21T11:48:31 < srk> lol
2020-03-21T11:48:33 < t4nk_freenode> lol
2020-03-21T11:52:47 < tcth_> STM32 time boyz: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60786312/stm32-abort-i2c-slave
2020-03-21T11:53:48 < Cracki> >SDA line must be stay in low state
2020-03-21T11:53:49 < Cracki> wat
2020-03-21T11:54:06 < tcth_> hah
2020-03-21T11:55:13 < Steffanx> Fuck SO. Join ###stm32 
2020-03-21T11:55:24 < Steffanx> Hi mr tcth_ gooday to tou
2020-03-21T11:55:27 < Steffanx> You.
2020-03-21T11:55:50 < tcth_> to you too
2020-03-21T11:56:11 < Steffanx> Wanna share some COVID-19 love?
2020-03-21T11:56:18 < tcth_> nah
2020-03-21T11:56:22 < tcth_> I am trying to cmake
2020-03-21T11:57:38 < tcth_> I need to link a static library into a shared one but without exposing it to the consumer of the DLL to keep dependencies low. The shared library only uses it internally. In theory --whole-archive should do the trick (and listing it as a PRIVATE dependency in target_link_libraries()) but somehow the usage requirement (linking to the internally used static lib) is still propagated to the consumer of the shared library.
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2020-03-21T12:20:32 < tcth_> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60786651/cmake-transitive-private-dependency-in-shared-library
2020-03-21T12:32:35 < qyx> same prices for all colors at jlcpcb https://i.imgur.com/zffqu6u.png
2020-03-21T12:32:55 < qyx> afaik nonstandard colors were more expensive in the past
2020-03-21T12:35:19 < zyp> do they have kawaii pinku?
2020-03-21T12:38:41 < c10ud> is that a pciex connector?
2020-03-21T12:39:35 < qyx> zyp: no :(
2020-03-21T12:40:15 < qyx> c10ud: pcie x1 connector without the pcie inside
2020-03-21T12:40:23 < c10ud> oh ok
2020-03-21T12:40:37 < tcth_> LoRa PCIe extension card would have been fun ^^
2020-03-21T12:41:42 < srk> yeah, just use USB :D
2020-03-21T12:42:47 < tcth_> so what´s with this LibrePCB hype?
2020-03-21T12:43:35 < tcth_> all I read is the author´s comment on reddit reading something like: `The reason I don´t work on KiCAD is because having my own project gives me complete freedom to implement everything how I want it`. (which is of course a legit reason)
2020-03-21T12:43:41 < tcth_> but then again... wut
2020-03-21T12:43:54 < tcth_> one must be very dedicated to start rolling out his own PCB layouting solution I guess
2020-03-21T12:44:30 < qyx> so the "libre" part of the name actually means freedom for the author
2020-03-21T12:44:33 < qyx> and not users
2020-03-21T12:46:30 < tcth_> personally I think that getting something up & running for a usable PoC is not that difficult if you´re an experienced and very dedicated sw engineer. I just see the problems later on with the more advanced features.
2020-03-21T12:46:41 < tcth_> Just look at how long it took KiCAD to implement things like push´n´shove
2020-03-21T12:46:56 < tcth_> these kind of things are extremely hard to implement ´properly´
2020-03-21T12:47:15 < tcth_> and there are literally dozens of these things that are necessary to make a decent CAD/EDA solution
2020-03-21T12:47:17 < Steffanx> Ask dongs about it please.
2020-03-21T12:47:28 < Steffanx> He had been raging about altium a lot lately
2020-03-21T12:47:29 < tcth_> LibreAIDS
2020-03-21T12:47:40 < tcth_> ^ dongs
2020-03-21T12:47:45 < tcth_> Steffanx, more than usual?
2020-03-21T12:47:53 < Steffanx> YES
2020-03-21T12:48:03 < tcth_> how come?
2020-03-21T13:02:44 < Cracki> >librepcb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu-h5y6tK34
2020-03-21T13:04:15 < Cracki> I like that he addresses libraries and establishes distinctions between things that have always been mixed together
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2020-03-21T14:15:14 < tcth_> Yeah, I fully agree. I am all aboard in how he does those things compared to KiCAD
2020-03-21T14:15:20 < tcth_> but that is unfortunately only a very small portion
2020-03-21T14:20:17 < srk> yet another package manager, meh
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2020-03-21T15:22:13 < Laurenceb> interdasting
2020-03-21T15:22:44 < Laurenceb> 7000 series aluminium + piano wire bracing btfo's all other stratospheric solar blimp designs I've tried so far
2020-03-21T15:22:52 < Laurenceb> they had it right in the 1920s it seems
2020-03-21T15:23:14 < Laurenceb> about 1/4 the structural mass of any inflatable structure
2020-03-21T15:25:12 < Laurenceb> but fractal truss hell, which is also impossible to model with a sane amount of ram
2020-03-21T15:28:42 < englishman> how much ram did computers have in 1920
2020-03-21T15:29:30 < Laurenceb> its actually quite interesting
2020-03-21T15:29:44 < Laurenceb> they used "human computers" for airship design
2020-03-21T15:30:05 < Laurenceb> and design complexity was limited by the need to keep the calculations manageable
2020-03-21T15:30:46 < Laurenceb> splitting off each generation of fractal truss makes the problem manageable
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2020-03-21T15:33:38 < Laurenceb> https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/
2020-03-21T15:33:38 < BrainDamage> can't you use a boundary element method?
2020-03-21T15:34:02 < BrainDamage> you should be able to define a green's function thanks to the repetitive structure of the fractal
2020-03-21T15:34:29 < BrainDamage> so you'd be able to evaluate the eq arbitrarily deep into the fractal iteration
2020-03-21T15:34:33 < Laurenceb> interesting
2020-03-21T15:34:54 < Laurenceb> unfortunately the design isnt truly fractal atm
2020-03-21T15:35:19 < Laurenceb> its "fractal like" but I tweaked it as there are only 3 generations
2020-03-21T15:35:50 < englishman> Laurenceb, what % of deaths per day are due to coronervirus
2020-03-21T15:36:04 < Laurenceb> englishman: good point, v low %
2020-03-21T15:36:17 < englishman> what will it be in a month
2020-03-21T15:36:39 < dongs> have opensores faggots written Korona and GCorona GUIs for lunix yet
2020-03-21T15:36:49 < Laurenceb> lol dongs
2020-03-21T15:36:52 < dongs> to count the deaths
2020-03-21T15:37:01 < Steffanx> ask jadew
2020-03-21T15:37:04 < Steffanx> he's our corona expert
2020-03-21T15:37:09 < doomba> opensoros
2020-03-21T15:37:19 < dongs> 5.7k in 24 hours in USA, fuckin RIP
2020-03-21T15:37:30 < dongs> lazy faggots dont like wearing masks, so they';re fukd
2020-03-21T15:37:42 < doomba> it's not that we don't like wearing masks
2020-03-21T15:37:47 < doomba> it's that this is murica
2020-03-21T15:38:03 < englishman> USA can't stand being behind china in anything
2020-03-21T15:38:03 < BrainDamage> outside asian countries there was no culture of masks during infections
2020-03-21T15:38:08 < doomba> as soon as "wear masks" started propagating the markets here, N95 masks shot up in price to $350 per mask
2020-03-21T15:38:14 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: I found boundary element useful for simulating stressed membranes for inflatable blimps
2020-03-21T15:38:25 < doomba> and $350 is 90% of america's two week paycheck
2020-03-21T15:38:29 < PaulFertser> dongs: curl https://corona-stats.online/JP
2020-03-21T15:38:30 < BrainDamage> so the shops are not as suppliedd
2020-03-21T15:38:30 < Laurenceb> but it doesnt look like that is very mass efficient for big stuff
2020-03-21T15:39:03 < dongs> PaulFertser: yeah and usa is like 20k now
2020-03-21T15:39:05 < dongs> so wat
2020-03-21T15:39:31 < PaulFertser> dongs: I mean this is the openfaggotry tool usable on lunix
2020-03-21T15:39:32 < englishman> dongs, that's the lunix-corona interface
2020-03-21T15:39:37 < dongs> oh lol
2020-03-21T15:39:44 < dongs> PaulFertser: does it run in cli no9rmally?
2020-03-21T15:39:47 < Laurenceb> the "only" killer issue with rigid airships is that they stuffer from gas slosh
2020-03-21T15:39:56 < dongs> and draw that table?
2020-03-21T15:39:56 < PaulFertser> dongs: with colour even
2020-03-21T15:39:59 < dongs> using unicode linebars or wahtever
2020-03-21T15:40:37 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: can't you use inner membranes to limit circulation?
2020-03-21T15:41:05 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: yeah and thats how it was done in 1920s, but it adds mass
2020-03-21T15:41:22 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: interesting paper https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20190001133.pdf
2020-03-21T15:41:42 < Laurenceb> also btfo's that wikipedia page that claims vacuum airship is impossible
2020-03-21T15:41:46 < englishman> is japan just not testing people or what
2020-03-21T15:41:53 < dongs> no, thats just how it is
2020-03-21T15:41:57 < BrainDamage> dongs: italian dataset and analysis software is literally on shithub https://github.com/pcm-dpc/COVID-19
2020-03-21T15:42:17 < BrainDamage> so yes, lunix ready
2020-03-21T15:42:20 < Laurenceb> >muh big data
2020-03-21T15:42:24 < Laurenceb> >its like 1kb
2020-03-21T15:42:38 < dongs> almsot 50k in italy
2020-03-21T15:42:39 < dongs> fucken rip
2020-03-21T15:43:32 < doomba> gates foundation wuz like "hey we need you to keep track of our virus plz use our great product, microsoft github."
2020-03-21T15:45:06 < englishman> apparently Japan has done only 18k tests
2020-03-21T15:45:23 < englishman> where Canada has done 60k+
2020-03-21T15:45:59 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: the lift scales are pretty impressive
2020-03-21T15:46:51 < BrainDamage> the only thing I don't see there is things like weather and UV resilience
2020-03-21T15:47:13 < BrainDamage> which would be fundamental for the infra approach they suggest
2020-03-21T15:47:50 < englishman> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-city-police-arrest-covid-19-1.5505349
2020-03-21T15:47:55 < englishman> then again
2020-03-21T15:48:36 < englishman> dongs how many more houses are you going to buy
2020-03-21T15:54:50 < PaulFertser> Meanwhile in russia https://www.kxan36news.com/in-stavropol-sick-doctor-facing-a-case-for-violation-of-quarantine
2020-03-21T15:55:57 < PaulFertser> (sorry about poor translation, couldn't find a good source in English)
2020-03-21T16:01:05 < Steffanx> lol better send in a "bug report"  to that website
2020-03-21T16:01:18 < Steffanx> coronavirus COVID-19?
2020-03-21T16:02:05 < Steffanx> @ mr PaulFertser
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2020-03-21T16:09:06 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: not the most retarded thing about that article...
2020-03-21T16:09:21 < PaulFertser> It looks like google translate
2020-03-21T16:11:53 < PaulFertser> Also, most journalists have absolutely no clue about anything...
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2020-03-21T16:15:59 < emeb> film at 11
2020-03-21T16:21:05 < englishman> starring mark wahlberg as a boston area tv anchor
2020-03-21T16:21:37 < BrainDamage> https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-sex-guidance.pdf
2020-03-21T16:27:33 < englishman> chat rooms may be options for you.
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2020-03-21T16:36:45 < Cracki> >Have sex with people close to you.
2020-03-21T16:36:46 < Steffanx> ##cybersex32 ?
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2020-03-21T16:37:06 < Cracki> >The next safest partner is someone you live with.
2020-03-21T16:37:39 < Cracki> what product of sibling love wrote this
2020-03-21T16:38:18 < doomba> ##covid19sex32
2020-03-21T16:38:39 < Cracki> hm yes 19-year-olds
2020-03-21T16:38:54 < dongs> lmao that pdf
2020-03-21T16:39:20 < Cracki> >Skip sex if you or your partner is not feeling well... "I'm not feeling well" "sucks to be you, open your gullet!"
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2020-03-21T16:43:38 < Steffanx> A headache is also part of COVID-19 sadly
2020-03-21T16:43:45 < dongs> so if I'm reading that PDf correctly
2020-03-21T16:43:52 < dongs> its ok to fuck your sister, as long as it helps not spreading covid?
2020-03-21T16:43:55 < dongs> (c) NYC
2020-03-21T16:46:52 < Steffanx> That was never ok, so why would it be now?
2020-03-21T16:46:53 < Cracki> parents and children are fair game too
2020-03-21T16:47:02 < Cracki> I think they've suspended age of consent for the time being
2020-03-21T16:47:30 < Cracki> martial law says you can fuck whatever you want so long as you slit its throat when you're finished
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2020-03-21T17:39:26 < mawk> Steffanx: albert heijn canceled all my order except 2 cans of beans, then they expect me to go walk across the whole city to pick it up otherwise they charge me 25€
2020-03-21T17:39:35 < mawk> they said I have to give 24 hours notice before cancellation
2020-03-21T17:39:43 < mawk> but they partially cancelled my order just now
2020-03-21T17:39:48 < mawk> :(
2020-03-21T17:42:06 < Cracki> maybe it's time for people to topple their rulers
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2020-03-21T17:42:58 < Cracki> if you can go shopping yourself, do it. you won't die.
2020-03-21T17:43:08 < BrainDamage> https://www.elektormagazine.com/news/new-eu-customs-regulation-ends-vat-exemption-for-under-22-parcels
2020-03-21T17:43:21 < Cracki> avoid stores with convenient parking spaces. those are getting sacked by car owners.
2020-03-21T17:43:30 < Cracki> bitch what
2020-03-21T17:43:45 < Cracki> now they want vat on my tiny chinese orders?
2020-03-21T17:44:01 < BrainDamage> unfortunately, yes
2020-03-21T17:44:12 < specing> gotta support local forwarders
2020-03-21T17:44:31 < Cracki> this is it, they're preparing us for outright tyranny
2020-03-21T17:44:47 < specing> Can individual countries still exempt you from VAT under 22 eur?
2020-03-21T17:45:17 < specing> because I don't see how the customs office will cope with this without hiring a lot more people
2020-03-21T17:45:32 < Cracki> around here we have the 22 eur limit, but the practical limit is that they don't collect anything under 5 euros of vat
2020-03-21T17:45:40 < Cracki> which figures to about 27 euro
2020-03-21T17:46:11 < Cracki> I trust they stick to that and continue to not bother... otherwise I'll throw coins at them
2020-03-21T17:47:16 < specing> What will hit us is the 5 eur service fee
2020-03-21T17:47:27 < specing> that the post office charges for customs work
2020-03-21T17:47:31 < Cracki> >no customs duty will be payable
2020-03-21T17:47:34 < specing> that's before VAT
2020-03-21T17:47:40 < Cracki> I'm not sure what they're saying now
2020-03-21T17:47:52 < Cracki> on the one hand, you have to declare, on the other hand, not??
2020-03-21T17:48:20 < Cracki> ah, they distinguish between different excuses to rob you
2020-03-21T17:48:38 < Steffanx> 5 euro specing? More like 13 or 17 euro bucks. 
2020-03-21T17:49:13 < BrainDamage> you'll have a simplified declaration, but you'll have to declare everything
2020-03-21T17:49:40 < Cracki> I'm ok if they want to _know_, but if they want money, they'll get coins
2020-03-21T17:50:54 < qyx> dhl asks 24e for customs work here
2020-03-21T17:50:56 < Cracki> I don't want to be an "importer" because I ordered something online. they can make the seller deal with this somehow.
2020-03-21T17:51:10 < Cracki> dhl is a bunch of road robbers
2020-03-21T17:51:38 < BrainDamage> all express courers will rob you 20 bucks if you let them handle customs
2020-03-21T17:52:30 < Cracki> how to avoid that?
2020-03-21T17:52:47 < qyx> declare yourself
2020-03-21T17:52:48 < Cracki> I mean... what shipping provider should I tell the seller to use?
2020-03-21T17:52:56 < qyx> wait hours, fill many page forms
2020-03-21T17:53:41 < qyx> if "simplified" under 150€ means filling a single easy online form, it should bemanageable
2020-03-21T17:54:27 < Cracki> these fuckers use this crisis to push such laws through
2020-03-21T17:57:19 < BrainDamage> >Currently, the possibility to declare goods with a value not exceeding  EUR 22 by presenting them to customs is limited to the period before  Member States upgrade their National Import Systems referred to in the  Annex to Commission Implementing Decision (EU) 2016/578 (5). In addition, Council Directive (EU) 2017/2455 (6)  abolishes the VAT exemption for goods with a value not exceeding EUR 22  with effect from 1 January 2021. As a 
2020-03-21T17:57:19 < BrainDamage> result, in the Member States that  upgrade their National Import Systems before 1 January 2021, the  possibility of declaring those goods by presenting them to customs would  be removed and a customs declaration would be required even if there is  no obligation to collect VAT on those goods and a relief from customs  duty applies. Delegated Regulation (EU) 2015/2446 should therefore be  amended to ensure that the possibility to declare 
2020-03-21T17:57:19 < BrainDamage> goods with an  intrinsic value not exceeding EUR 22 by presenting them to customs is  available until the EUR 22 threshold is abolished for VAT purposes.
2020-03-21T17:57:24 < BrainDamage> jesus christ
2020-03-21T17:58:15 < BrainDamage> so if your country adopts the rulings before 2021, you'll have to file customs declaration for 22 euro packages even if you don't have to pay vat
2020-03-21T17:58:41 < Cracki> postal workers will get hurt
2020-03-21T17:59:04 < BrainDamage> that's from the official eu site btw, not even an interpretation
2020-03-21T17:59:05 < BrainDamage> https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:OJ.L_.2019.181.01.0002.01.ENG&toc=OJ:L:2019:181:TOC
2020-03-21T17:59:10 < Cracki> fucking bureaucrats
2020-03-21T17:59:51 < Cracki> they need to shorten their sentences. this kind of language is impenetrable.
2020-03-21T18:00:11 < Cracki> programmers should write that shit. they'd use proper structure.
2020-03-21T18:02:50 < englishman> found a job as a tailgunner on a bread truck
2020-03-21T18:03:38 < specing> Steffanx: here its 5
2020-03-21T18:03:53 < specing> Steffanx: it goes higher if you chose express
2020-03-21T18:04:02 < specing> but the national post office charges just 5
2020-03-21T18:04:10 < Steffanx> mawk: good.. good. Fuck those online hoarders.
2020-03-21T18:04:24 < Steffanx> specing: ah, i see
2020-03-21T18:11:40 < qyx> such footprint https://i.imgur.com/jaNg6lj.png
2020-03-21T18:15:00 < Cracki> this says the swiss tried this in march 2019 already and they just didn't bother collecting small vat amounts https://www.paketda.de/news-zollfreigrenze-22-euro-abgeschafft.html
2020-03-21T18:16:04 < Cracki> I mean, if they have to, they can sum up what i receive and collect when it's a decent amount, but don't send me a fucking letter and charge me for that too
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2020-03-21T19:13:42 < Laurenceb> shit
2020-03-21T19:13:45 < Laurenceb> 800 dead in Italy
2020-03-21T19:17:07 < jadew> BrainDamage, of the previous 3 links you posted, the first two aren't working anymore
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2020-03-21T19:33:19 < doomba> italy be like "letz not be racisss... hug a chink"
2020-03-21T19:33:25 < doomba> and paid the price for it
2020-03-21T19:34:34 < doomba> so you gotta wonder - was italy a hotbed for revolutionary genetics?
2020-03-21T19:35:00 < doomba> did 23&me and gates foundation discover that italian genes have a high capability of shutting down the NWO? quite possibly.
2020-03-21T19:35:28 < jadew> I think they were just unlucky to have a strong tourism industry
2020-03-21T19:35:42 < jadew> which made them the first to face this thing
2020-03-21T19:36:07 < specing> If it were summer it'd be croatia with 1000 dead
2020-03-21T19:36:11 < jadew> Spain will catch up to them and overtake them quite a bit
2020-03-21T19:36:11 < tomeaton17>  its just because they are all really old
2020-03-21T19:36:23 < specing> that too
2020-03-21T19:36:59 < englishman> 25% of people over 60 or something
2020-03-21T19:37:12 < jadew> in Italy?
2020-03-21T19:37:15 < englishman> yea
2020-03-21T19:37:21 < englishman> median age is like 10y older than most countries
2020-03-21T19:37:30 < jadew> they must be living well
2020-03-21T19:37:41 < doomba> all that olive oil
2020-03-21T19:37:43 < englishman> well those numbers will change
2020-03-21T19:37:45 < englishman> over the next few months
2020-03-21T19:37:48 < jadew> doomba, was thinking the same :)
2020-03-21T19:37:53 < doomba> they have good omega3z
2020-03-21T19:38:16 < Cracki> german wikipedia wants to erase the statistics (mean age 80+, 80% with other health conditions, 70% men, ...)
2020-03-21T19:38:25 < Cracki> gotta love these assholes
2020-03-21T19:38:35 < doomba> germany isn't a country anymore anyway
2020-03-21T19:38:41 < Cracki> you're right it isn't
2020-03-21T19:38:51 < Cracki> these people seriously need deprogramming
2020-03-21T19:38:53 < doomba> it's a refugee camp run by a skank named merkel
2020-03-21T19:39:29 < jadew> "refugee"
2020-03-21T19:40:07 < Cracki> I foresee myself fleeing to straya
2020-03-21T19:41:07 < doomba> at least we merimutts did itright
2020-03-21T19:41:19 < jadew> this is not very statistically relevant, but the number of deaths on diamond princess has risen above 1%
2020-03-21T19:41:32 < doomba> we use the migrants to run our industries since the founding of our nation
2020-03-21T19:41:34 < jadew> and there are 15 more cases in critical condition
2020-03-21T19:41:47 < doomba> you bring them in to leech off of government programs and make your citizens bankrupt
2020-03-21T19:42:11 < doomba> then they tell your children getting raped by brown people is good
2020-03-21T19:42:21 < Cracki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2020-03-21T19:42:43 < doomba> and your citizens are too afraid to do anything about it because ya'll don't haz any guns!
2020-03-21T19:42:48 < doomba> germany need moar redneck
2020-03-21T19:42:51 < Cracki> I'd try rioting but the french do that and macron is still in power
2020-03-21T19:44:53 < jadew> romanians have very low tolerance for PC culture
2020-03-21T19:45:36 < englishman> haha, 10 people who tested negative on diamond princess, went home and got it after
2020-03-21T19:45:47 < jadew> I don't think we could be forced to accept anything under the threat of being labeled politically incorrect
2020-03-21T19:45:58 < tomeaton17> the french love a strike
2020-03-21T19:46:06 < tomeaton17> almost as much as uk university staff
2020-03-21T19:47:04 < tcth_> I am back
2020-03-21T19:47:36 < tcth_> I am not french
2020-03-21T19:47:55  * jpa- fries tcth_ 
2020-03-21T19:48:17 < tcth_> well that´s not a nice thing to do to someone else :<
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2020-03-21T19:48:48 < jpa-> but it makes you so much tastier
2020-03-21T19:48:49 < tcth_> jpa-, are you by any chance like an unknown cmake guru or something?
2020-03-21T19:48:55 < jpa-> and at a time of crisis, cannibalism is totally ok
2020-03-21T19:49:07 < tcth_> heh
2020-03-21T19:49:34 < jpa-> tcth_: no, whenever i get a cmake pull request i just hilight the previous person who touched cmakefile and have them review it
2020-03-21T19:49:50 < tcth_> hah
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2020-03-21T19:51:54 < kakigate> life-saving trans operations have been postponed for freeing resources to covid19 patients
2020-03-21T19:52:21 < tcth_> uhm... is this fake news or legit?
2020-03-21T19:52:59 < kakigate> I just see a screenshot on shitforums of some britbong tabloid
2020-03-21T19:53:00 < jpa-> well, of course they are post-poned; not so sure about life-saving but life-changing atleast
2020-03-21T19:53:21 < kakigate> so.. anybodys guess
2020-03-21T19:53:58 < tcth_> well I understood it as ´life saving organ transplant operations have been postponed´
2020-03-21T19:54:07 < kakigate> I bet that too
2020-03-21T19:54:34 < kakigate> but the thing was about sex-change operations I think
2020-03-21T19:55:06 < kakigate> priorities in western world have been changing dramatically in few days
2020-03-21T19:55:53 < tcth_> I don´t really see how priorities changes - they appear to remain the same. Lower priority stuff is just easier to get to when everything else is fine
2020-03-21T19:56:08 < tcth_> but maybe this is just business-me talking
2020-03-21T19:56:40 < kakigate> yes
2020-03-21T19:58:46 < Steffanx> here the same happens kakigate
2020-03-21T19:59:13 < Steffanx> or they try to move the patients, but somehow some other hospital dont want them or something.. because regulations or something
2020-03-21T19:59:18 < tcth_> I´ve heard the virus is more virusing in dutchland, Steffanx :(
2020-03-21T19:59:20 < Steffanx> or somethng or something.
2020-03-21T19:59:30 < Steffanx> tcth_ i recall its worse in swisserland
2020-03-21T19:59:36 < Steffanx> as in count-wise
2020-03-21T19:59:39 < tcth_> Steffanx, jup but meh
2020-03-21T19:59:49 < Steffanx> perhaps not death-rate wise
2020-03-21T20:00:14 < tcth_> relative to population size switzerland is world-wide the worst afaik
2020-03-21T20:00:56 < Steffanx> and where i live its not that hot either. still the lowest amount of infected compared to the more southern parts of dutchland
2020-03-21T20:01:10 < tcth_> yeah
2020-03-21T20:01:21 < tcth_> although I´ve heard that it hit markelo by now
2020-03-21T20:01:27 < tcth_> (like few days ago ´by now´)
2020-03-21T20:02:52 < Steffanx> Could be. Im not really looking into where it is exactly. Cant stop it anyway
2020-03-21T20:03:40 < tcth_> well you could maybe stop bringing home girls every night
2020-03-21T20:03:58 < Steffanx> Yeah, i went in semi-quarantine already.
2020-03-21T20:04:33 < Steffanx> The store and the backyard .. thats all i go outside :P
2020-03-21T20:05:35 < tcth_> had two of your people visiting here. they arrived on Thursday evening. Friday evening they received tons of videos of albert heijns beeing raided - everything completely empty lol. 
2020-03-21T20:05:40 < tcth_> that didn´t happen here - at all.
2020-03-21T20:06:09 < Steffanx> nah, ive not seen it that bad
2020-03-21T20:06:16 < Steffanx> mawk did. 
2020-03-21T20:06:22 < tcth_> was mainly in amsterdam afaik
2020-03-21T20:06:28 < tcth_> cuz city people
2020-03-21T20:06:29 < Steffanx> but nothern people are more "down to earth"  that those westeners :P
2020-03-21T20:07:08 < Steffanx> some would call it "stiff"  though :p
2020-03-21T20:07:22 < tcth_> :p
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2020-03-21T20:19:08 < mawk> my AH was pretty calm tcth_ 
2020-03-21T20:19:16 < mawk> apart from rice, pasta and toilet paper, it had good stock
2020-03-21T20:19:22 < mawk> even rookworst was still there
2020-03-21T20:19:31 < tcth_> and tony´s chocoloney?
2020-03-21T20:19:41 < mawk> yes that was in stock too
2020-03-21T20:19:46 < tcth_> good.
2020-03-21T20:19:51 < tcth_> it´s of upmost importancy
2020-03-21T20:21:24 < Steffanx> lol tcth_ knows Tony's Chocolonely
2020-03-21T20:21:30 < Steffanx> what about Kanjer Stroopwafels, mawk?
2020-03-21T20:21:33 < jpa-> first corona death in finland, but looks like it wasn't kakigate 
2020-03-21T20:21:54 < Steffanx> awh
2020-03-21T20:22:43 < Steffanx> I heard COVID-19 and diabetus arent a good combination. So perhaps that means the stroopwafels i sent him killed him.. indirectly.
2020-03-21T20:22:58 < mawk> I didn't see preciely Steffanx 
2020-03-21T20:23:04 < mawk> I was trying to get out ASAP
2020-03-21T20:23:14 < mawk> people coughing everywhere, staying close to me and all
2020-03-21T20:23:21 < Steffanx> Lol
2020-03-21T20:23:56 < tcth_> Steffanx, just ate a whole bar while IRCing
2020-03-21T20:23:57 < Steffanx> I'm coughing as well :O
2020-03-21T20:23:58 < tcth_> (no kidding)
2020-03-21T20:24:13  * mawk cancels Steffanx
2020-03-21T20:24:16 < Steffanx> Slave free chocolate 
2020-03-21T20:24:43 < Steffanx> It's a small left over from the cold I had. 
2020-03-21T20:25:06 < tcth_> > don´t worry, it´s just a cold
2020-03-21T20:25:09 < tcth_> > everybody dies.
2020-03-21T20:25:35 < Cracki> 0.2% death rate for under-40s (source WHO china)
2020-03-21T20:25:55 < Cracki> and that's for when you get the virus. if you don't, you're entirely in the clear
2020-03-21T20:25:55 < jpa-> one dude on other channel had misunderstood somehow and thought it had 30% death rate - didn't seem very panicked about it though :D
2020-03-21T20:26:06 < tcth_> lol
2020-03-21T20:26:08 < mawk> lol
2020-03-21T20:26:19 < Cracki> 30% death rate if you take today's deaths vs today's recovered
2020-03-21T20:26:34 < Cracki> those aren't very many yet
2020-03-21T20:27:03 < Cracki> not panicked? must be sitting in a bunker maybe
2020-03-21T20:27:04 < jpa-> yeah, could have been because of some calculation like that - he was like "i still have more than 50% chance of surviving this, wohoo!"
2020-03-21T20:27:22 < tcth_> jpa-, american dude?
2020-03-21T20:27:27 < jpa-> tcth_: nah, finnish
2020-03-21T20:27:44 < Cracki> in a bunker with thirtyseven cubic meters of vodka
2020-03-21T20:28:05 < jpa-> he also thought that the life purpose of viruses is to kill as many people as possible, and that this is a war between virus and humans
2020-03-21T20:28:13 < mawk> lol
2020-03-21T20:28:19 < tcth_> well switzerland saw today a 25% increase in infections compared to yesterday
2020-03-21T20:28:27 < mawk> virii aren't even alive
2020-03-21T20:28:32 < mawk> just pieces of junk floating around
2020-03-21T20:28:36 < Cracki> 20% daily increase is average for europe it seems
2020-03-21T20:28:53 < Cracki> my toaster isn't even alive but it laughed before I shot it
2020-03-21T20:28:54 < tcth_> jpa-, is this the kind of person that teaches kids at schools in your country?
2020-03-21T20:29:17 < mawk> lol Cracki 
2020-03-21T20:30:03 < Cracki> where are the wokelets when you need a virus anthropomorphized
2020-03-21T20:30:04 < tcth_> I wish I´d get that toaster joke - reading it makes me feel like it would be funny if I´d get it
2020-03-21T20:30:12 < jpa-> tcth_: nah, it's the kind of person who practices social distancing martial arts in normal situations also - it's a non-contact sport where the most repulsive person wins
2020-03-21T20:30:17 < Steffanx> Yankee joke tcth_  
2020-03-21T20:30:28 < Cracki> virus rights now! HIV has a right to rot off your asshole
2020-03-21T20:30:51 < Cracki> tcth_, google "the toaster laughed, I shot the toaster"
2020-03-21T20:31:02 < Cracki> https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/967/175/0bf.jpg_large
2020-03-21T20:32:10 < tcth_> lol
2020-03-21T20:33:02 < Cracki> german CDC uses terms like "median age" in its reports... I have my doubts about the average german understanding that
2020-03-21T20:33:24 < tcth_> well I would assume that the average german is not that much german anymore anyway?
2020-03-21T20:33:32 < Cracki> that too
2020-03-21T20:34:18 < boddax> i guess they count only people sadly died only because C19 ..not the others has many other diseases
2020-03-21T20:34:20 < jpa-> why should average german understand median? isn't it enough if the median german does?
2020-03-21T20:34:32 < PaulFertser> Oh the irony, "average" person not understanding "median".
2020-03-21T20:34:39 < Cracki> >_>
2020-03-21T20:35:11 < Cracki> by whatever measure anyway
2020-03-21T20:35:48 < Cracki> sort them by body height, body weight, blood glucose level, income, BRAIN VOLUME, IQ
2020-03-21T20:36:47 < Cracki> perhaps sort them by sex. if there 1.00 males/female, you'd hit the genderfluid freaks for a median
2020-03-21T20:37:40 < Cracki> which reminds me, someone recently talked about fast median for embedded calculations
2020-03-21T20:37:49 < tcth_> why was brain volume in all-caps?
2020-03-21T20:37:50 < Cracki> funky algorithms out there
2020-03-21T20:38:17 < Cracki> because I'm a proponent of physiognomy and taking calipers to human skulls obviously :>
2020-03-21T20:38:42 < tcth_> true german, I see
2020-03-21T20:38:57 < Cracki> also because I don't think brain volume in itself is all that insightful
2020-03-21T20:39:40 < Cracki> it has some physiological component to it, which can vary independently from IQ or general intelligence
2020-03-21T20:39:41 < tcth_> https://i.stack.imgur.com/arlQe.png
2020-03-21T20:40:05 < Cracki> build failed
2020-03-21T20:40:21 < boddax> compiler error
2020-03-21T20:40:29 < jpa-> such copy
2020-03-21T20:40:33 < Cracki> smells like abused iterator?
2020-03-21T20:40:43 < tcth_> Cracki, if you care: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60790740/the-system-cannot-find-the-file-specified-c
2020-03-21T20:40:46 < Cracki> I don't see much "iterating", just loops
2020-03-21T20:40:50 < Cracki> lol
2020-03-21T20:41:03 < Cracki> at least they post facts (screenshots, code, ...)
2020-03-21T20:41:25 < tcth_> not idea why you would post a screenshot tho
2020-03-21T20:41:27 < jpa-> if copy() is std::copy(), then that line 22 is pretty funky
2020-03-21T20:41:46 < Cracki> in the support place I'm "ruling over", people show up and just say what they think is the issue, which is most times wrong
2020-03-21T20:41:46 < tcth_> jpa-, I´ll upvote if you copy-paste that to there :p
2020-03-21T20:41:58 < Cracki> screenshot is high information content
2020-03-21T20:42:17 < Cracki> you can pick up all kinds of stuff from that, such as whether the dude fucked with his system too much
2020-03-21T20:42:54 < boddax> Steffanx is coocking dinner speculaas
2020-03-21T20:43:09 < tcth_> nice, my gf is currently cooking too
2020-03-21T20:43:21 < Cracki> dude prolly has his own copy function underneath the main(), but there is no prototype/declaration
2020-03-21T20:44:15 < tcth_> Cracki, well he´s using namespace std so that would lead to a linker error if his own copy() would have the same signature (implicitly)
2020-03-21T20:45:08 < Cracki> nvm, he posted his full code, no own copy()
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2020-03-21T20:45:30 < Cracki> why would he use std::copy tho, for copying single elements
2020-03-21T20:45:47 < Cracki> and the order of arguments makes no sense either
2020-03-21T20:46:09 < boddax> doenst flow
2020-03-21T20:46:35 < tcth_> I like the ´greedy´ tag tho.
2020-03-21T20:46:36 < tcth_> nice touch.
2020-03-21T20:46:45 < Cracki> lol those comments under his post, why do they all miss it?
2020-03-21T20:47:14 < Cracki> (except <algorithm> to make std::copy known)
2020-03-21T20:47:15 < tcth_> Cracki, extra cookies for you if you can do this one: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60786651/cmake-unexpected-transitive-private-dependency-in-shared-library
2020-03-21T20:47:35 < Cracki> hello Joel
2020-03-21T20:48:45 < tcth_> hi
2020-03-21T20:49:26 < Cracki> why does the linker want to "find/resolve/link libB, ..." anyway
2020-03-21T20:49:41 < BrainDamage> the beard is so much more professional
2020-03-21T20:49:43 < Cracki> it shouldn't want to do that, because all of that is inside libA
2020-03-21T20:49:55 < tcth_> Cracki, exactly - hence my open question 
2020-03-21T20:50:17 < Cracki> hmmm
2020-03-21T20:50:21 < tcth_> Cracki, target_link_libraries(libA PRIVATAE libB) should make libB not show up in the transitive dependencies list. yet it does.
2020-03-21T20:50:25 < tcth_> BrainDamage, thanks man
2020-03-21T20:50:27 < Cracki> no clue, try cmake on freenode?
2020-03-21T20:50:39 < Cracki> this smells close to being a bug
2020-03-21T20:50:52 < tcth_> Cracki, good idea
2020-03-21T20:51:09 < Cracki> if there are no useful ppl in #cmake, I'd hunt for a mailing list
2020-03-21T20:51:40 < Cracki> maybe pack this up into a nice tarball anyone can just try to build, and see the error in person
2020-03-21T20:51:46 < Cracki> toy libs of course
2020-03-21T20:52:02 < tcth_> yeah...
2020-03-21T20:52:11 < tcth_> should do that
2020-03-21T20:52:16 < Cracki> I'm not sure if you redacted what's really happening, or if you already reproduced this with empty/dummy toy libA/B/...
2020-03-21T20:52:16 < tcth_> although the guy in the comments already did that for me :p
2020-03-21T20:52:24 < Cracki> ah nice
2020-03-21T20:52:29 < tcth_> https://pastebin.com/DXTC2DBF
2020-03-21T20:55:06 < tcth_> Cracki, do you feel like doing more adventures?
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2020-03-21T20:56:16 < Cracki> no cmake pls, I'm most in the mood for bashing politicians' heads
2020-03-21T20:56:22 < Cracki> figuratively
2020-03-21T20:56:30 < tcth_> Cracki, then have some classic C++ CRTP: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/57779687/factory-for-crtp-based-classes
2020-03-21T20:57:27 < Cracki> I shave too often to be of any use in that situation
2020-03-21T20:57:48 < Cracki> a problem fit for struppi himself
2020-03-21T20:58:00 < tcth_> 6 months no bitters :<
2020-03-21T20:58:38 < tcth_> somehow I enjoy your style of humor today a lot more than in the past, Cracki. Did something that change on your side or on mine?
2020-03-21T20:59:47 < Cracki> let the logs judge
2020-03-21T20:59:50 < R2COM> soooo.... what are the cheap PCB manufacturers in US? (without oshpark of course...)
2020-03-21T21:00:14 < tcth_> R2COM, did you guys build the wall yet?
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2020-03-21T21:50:39 < englishman> tcth_: San Marino has the worst per-cap infection rate
2020-03-21T21:50:54 < englishman> followed by faroe islands (not a real country tho) and iceland
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2020-03-21T21:58:26 < englishman> https://streamable.com/9vjsk
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2020-03-21T22:17:53 < tcth_> alright!
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2020-03-21T22:39:04 < jadew> that document BrainDamage linked is still available in the google cache: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WjAZsFAl8VcJ:https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-sex-guidance.pdf
2020-03-21T22:39:52 < jadew> it's full of gems like "Rimming (mouth on anus) might spread COVID-19. Virus in feces may enter your mouth."
2020-03-21T22:42:01 < Mangy_Dog> :o
2020-03-21T22:42:21 < jadew> someone took a screenshot: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETohj88XQAAt_AP?format=jpg&name=large
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2020-03-21T23:07:26 < Laurenceb> >56 dead in bongland
2020-03-21T23:07:28 < Laurenceb> sheet
2020-03-21T23:11:03 < specing> their sides are dead, rip
2020-03-21T23:14:06 < karlp> qyx: yah, there's a pile of shitty bandaids, I'm quitedisappointed that it's not treated as a more serious normal case by linux-wireless people as a whole, it's always sort of treated as, "but we gve you a driver! what do you mean users want to use thing, that's userrspace problem...."
2020-03-21T23:14:09 < Steffanx> they are orbital.
2020-03-21T23:15:04  * karlp hi5s t4nk_freenode
2020-03-21T23:15:33  * qyx reading backlog
2020-03-21T23:15:35 < Steffanx> lol he hasnt spoken in hooours
2020-03-21T23:17:11 < Steffanx> i think he got COVID-19 now.
2020-03-21T23:17:48 < karlp> qyx: jlcpcb extra colours were just time delayed, not extra charge in the past I thought.
2020-03-21T23:19:38 < qyx> hm, when I last ordered, they were
2020-03-21T23:19:44 < qyx> extra charged
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2020-03-21T23:20:21 < karlp> tcth_: not jsut librecad, there's also horizoneda now too... https://horizon-eda.org/
2020-03-21T23:20:39 < karlp> seems to be similar concept as libre, "I don't want to work on kicad for various disagreements"
2020-03-21T23:22:58 < srk> gtk3, blewh
2020-03-21T23:24:53 < Steffanx> How long has librecad been around? Never head of it.
2020-03-21T23:25:03 < Steffanx> oh google says 2011
2020-03-21T23:25:19 < tcth_> karlp, interesting - never heard of it. what´s the story?
2020-03-21T23:28:00 < Steffanx> https://horizon-eda.readthedocs.io/en/latest/why-another-eda-package.html that ;)
2020-03-21T23:36:11 < kakigate> Steffanx: use QCAD
2020-03-21T23:36:17 < kakigate> you can even afford it
2020-03-21T23:40:41 < Steffanx> ei ei ei ei kakigate
2020-03-21T23:41:17 < kakigate> in finnish that is "ei helvetissä"
2020-03-21T23:42:31 < kakigate> and why not.. libre is annoying toy compared to libre
2020-03-21T23:42:39 < kakigate> *qcad
2020-03-21T23:43:11 < kakigate> in qcad I never needed to really figure anything out
2020-03-21T23:44:01 < kakigate> just draw.. UI and mechanisms are super intuitive
2020-03-21T23:46:29 < Cracki> quick question on qcad: does it have "constraints", such as "distance between these two points is a fixed X" or "this line and that line are perpendicular to each other"?
2020-03-21T23:46:44 < kakigate> nope
2020-03-21T23:46:53 < Cracki> ok so... you work on a grid?
2020-03-21T23:46:57 < kakigate> yes
2020-03-21T23:47:06 < qyx> I would say it has
2020-03-21T23:47:06 < Cracki> this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QCad#/media/File:Captura_de_QCAD_2013-10-08.png
2020-03-21T23:47:08 < qyx> I have seen some
2020-03-21T23:47:22 < Cracki> if I wanted the distance of those holes to be a round 40 or something
2020-03-21T23:47:31 < Cracki> I'd have to figure out where to place those circles myself?
2020-03-21T23:47:33 < kakigate> Cracki: those are not constraints
2020-03-21T23:47:40 < kakigate> but measurements
2020-03-21T23:47:44 < Cracki> yes sure
2020-03-21T23:47:52 < Cracki> measurements measure and show something
2020-03-21T23:48:07 < Cracki> but does it have some kind of solver inside?
2020-03-21T23:48:15 < kakigate> freecad sketch mode for 2d constraint based editor
2020-03-21T23:48:38 < kakigate> Cracki: I have not noticed such
2020-03-21T23:48:48 < qyx> Cracki: it has polar
2020-03-21T23:48:51 < Cracki> I tried freecad a little. before and after I learned autodesk inventor. freecad didn't make sense before, and made _some_ sense after.
2020-03-21T23:48:52 < qyx> do you need more?
2020-03-21T23:49:05 < Cracki> just trying to assess what qcad can do
2020-03-21T23:49:38 < Cracki> how would you do the fillet (concavity) between the straight part and the outer circle of some end?
2020-03-21T23:49:38 < kakigate> not even polar is contraint based.. it just another draw operation
2020-03-21T23:49:41 < qyx> looks like many things but as I am used to draftsight/autocad style UI, I did have some problems
2020-03-21T23:49:58 < Cracki> in inventor and freecad you'd put arcs there with a tangent contraint to the straight peice and to the circle
2020-03-21T23:50:52 < Cracki> smells like it's a kind of inkscape
2020-03-21T23:51:09 < qyx> huh no
2020-03-21T23:51:34 < qyx> ask Steffanx, he knows
2020-03-21T23:52:48 < Cracki> I think I'll stick to autodesk's stuff :P
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2020-03-22T00:04:11 < jly> tcth_: hi sir
2020-03-22T00:04:42 < Steffanx> jly did you know tcth_ eats cats?
2020-03-22T00:05:14 < tcth_> jly, hi
2020-03-22T00:05:32 < jly> how is it all coming along in the new post apocalyptic world?
2020-03-22T00:05:47 < jly> hello and welcome Steffanx 
2020-03-22T00:05:49 < Steffanx> post?
2020-03-22T00:06:00 < jly> yeah china dun goofed
2020-03-22T00:06:28 < jly> the prime minister of australia is emptying out all the archived jew-gold
2020-03-22T00:06:42 < Steffanx> awesome. tcth_ should do the same
2020-03-22T00:06:51 < Steffanx> Those bastards took it all into the mountains
2020-03-22T00:07:25 < karlp> anyone know if kicad or anywherer have a whole bunch of "footprints" for cases?
2020-03-22T00:07:45 < karlp> i know it took me personally far too much time to lay shit out based on case diagrams,
2020-03-22T00:07:59 < jly> I love kicad
2020-03-22T00:08:08 < jly> but I only used it once
2020-03-22T00:10:33 < jly> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/YQGNPAs5/finalboss.png
2020-03-22T00:12:50 < qyx> no
2020-03-22T00:12:56 < qyx> because footprints cannot have edge.cuts
2020-03-22T00:13:06 < karlp> ah, that old chestnut
2020-03-22T00:13:14 < qyx> I wanted to do such thing once
2020-03-22T00:13:26  * karlp sighs and starts another eda tool project :)
2020-03-22T00:13:49 < karlp> should be scriptable honetly, but investing in scripting kicad seem slike chasing your tail so fuck that.
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2020-03-22T00:24:33 < R2COM> i thought that power users here are rich enough at this point not to discuss kicad
2020-03-22T00:27:07 < jly> hello R2COM 
2020-03-22T00:35:42 < Steffanx> No, better leave us, low lifers, R2COM 
2020-03-22T00:44:40 < jly> I want to play video games
2020-03-22T00:49:48 < Laurenceb> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0057/9914/9683/files/Illuminati__Protocols_and_Secret_Covenant.pdf?5786586918097581157&fbclid=IwAR19T_KMpG8ygog00u_ptCqdh1pMEeIWXUN1s30BCkHukgcBXtvdvY8dQW8
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2020-03-22T00:51:05 < jly> Good work there
2020-03-22T00:52:35 < jly> What does it mean?
2020-03-22T00:53:27 < karlp> cracki/doomba makes me miss the simpler days of aretoo.
2020-03-22T00:55:44 < qyx> btw did I tell you about TPS56637, karlp?
2020-03-22T00:56:52 < karlp> maybe, looks familiar
2020-03-22T00:57:14 < karlp> 28V doesn't really seem super safe for 24V. seems a little tight.
2020-03-22T00:58:20 < R2COM> there is a magic thing called Zener for protecting ov on inputs
2020-03-22T00:58:24 < karlp> abclinuxz.cz thing is soooo dense page design
2020-03-22T00:58:36 < karlp> magic!
2020-03-22T00:59:12 < karlp> overvoltage yes, but you need a power supply that's 24v+- 10% now, and are jsut about at the absolute limit, no overvoltage condition
2020-03-22T00:59:31 < karlp> +-20% is much more flexible and puts you well over.
2020-03-22T00:59:44 < karlp> see, this is the why I've missed aretoo :)
2020-03-22T01:01:12 < qyx> oh this aretoo
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2020-03-22T01:07:23 < qyx> such layout example, 4 layers to get 5V
2020-03-22T01:08:23 < jly> not some duded-up, egg-sucking gutter trash!
2020-03-22T01:23:52 < Steffanx> Hello jly
2020-03-22T01:27:18 < jly> Hi Steffanx 
2020-03-22T01:27:30 < Steffanx> Welcome 
2020-03-22T01:28:58 < jly> Can you help me with an amplifier please
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2020-03-22T01:30:35 < Steffanx> Nah, you're noisy enough already. :P
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2020-03-22T01:33:48 < Steffanx> 3 volts jly 
2020-03-22T01:34:16 < jly> good
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2020-03-22T02:44:20 < karlp> englishman: thought of you and had to get this to you: https://imgur.com/gallery/nFSvSWP
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2020-03-22T02:44:53 < englishman> cool
2020-03-22T02:45:14 < englishman> should traverse the fjords just fine
2020-03-22T02:46:35 < karlp> now, back to killing greeks
2020-03-22T02:47:21  * qyx finishing board layout
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2020-03-22T03:23:18 < Laurenceb> the corona virus (male) infects the body (female)
2020-03-22T03:23:33 < Laurenceb> just another day under #patriarchy 
2020-03-22T03:28:02 < jly> lol
2020-03-22T03:28:08 < jly> good work doctor
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2020-03-22T03:38:50 < englishman> no coronavirus cases in russia, just an increase in pneumonia
2020-03-22T03:43:44 < jly> my friend thinks dutch people are born with tank treads instead of legs
2020-03-22T03:44:15 < jly> and the dutch government has been supplying newborns with bionic legs for decades
2020-03-22T03:57:53 < englishman> cant put wooden shoes on tank treads
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2020-03-22T03:59:42 < doomba> lol @ cia qtard
2020-03-22T03:59:45 < doomba> https://i.redd.it/nr9w0x700pn41.png
2020-03-22T04:14:27 < jadew> as of tomorrow night, we're under french-type quarantine
2020-03-22T04:14:50 < jadew> we can only go out between 6 am and 10 pm
2020-03-22T04:15:20 < jadew> and only for a couple of specific reasons
2020-03-22T04:15:53 < jadew> and when out, we have to present either a permit or a declaration on our own responsibility, regarding the activity we are conducting outside
2020-03-22T04:16:05 < jadew> also, people who break quarantine are facing 15 years in prison
2020-03-22T04:16:24 < jadew> (sick people in quarantine, not the healthy ones)
2020-03-22T04:16:28 < jadew> healthy ones just get a fine
2020-03-22T04:16:38 < jadew> sick people can't leave the house at all
2020-03-22T04:17:08 < jadew> I think Romania can't afford an outbreak of any kind, so we'll probably have to play this down until a vaccine is out
2020-03-22T04:19:54 < jadew> we only have 1300 ICU beds
2020-03-22T04:23:32 < englishman> does french-type quarantine mean a diet of baguettes and red wine
2020-03-22T04:24:06 < jadew> englishman, well, today it was pizza and beer, so pretty close
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2020-03-22T04:28:21 < jadew> I think during the night they'll be disinfecting the streets
2020-03-22T04:28:24 < jadew> they're already doing it
2020-03-22T04:35:36 < specing> what, really?
2020-03-22T04:35:40 < specing> That's extreme
2020-03-22T04:36:03 < jadew> I don't think it is
2020-03-22T04:36:14 < jadew> this thing seems to sneak up on you
2020-03-22T04:36:44 < jadew> and since we can't afford to build new hospitals like Italy is doing or how China has done, it seems like a sensible measure
2020-03-22T04:37:13 < jadew> we have to stay healthy until a vaccine is available
2020-03-22T04:38:13 < jadew> today people went out, to have picnics and walks in the park
2020-03-22T04:38:16 < jadew> they're idiots
2020-03-22T04:48:28 < specing> yeah, same here
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2020-03-22T06:58:09 < englishman> fascinating https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw0VfmXKq54
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2020-03-22T07:37:44 < jly> Gooday corona brothers
2020-03-22T07:43:56 < jadew> PayPal is not withholding any fees when you make a refund, for a month, in consideration for the ncov crisis
2020-03-22T07:44:00 < jadew> how kind of them
2020-03-22T07:46:40 < jly> how about stvn
2020-03-22T08:03:35 < rajkosto> remember when paypal refunds gave them back all the fees except the small fixed one ?
2020-03-22T08:03:37 < rajkosto> good times 
2020-03-22T08:03:57 < rajkosto> the policy to never refund ANY fees (including the large multiple % ones) only came into effect last year or so ?
2020-03-22T08:43:31 < jadew> rajkosto, yep
2020-03-22T08:44:47 < rajkosto> huh i actually got some balance since "paypal corrected pricing issue"
2020-03-22T08:44:57 < rajkosto> from:Paypal;Refund for Pricing issue 19 August 2019 to 5 March 2020, when the User Agreement was corrected.
2020-03-22T08:45:11 < rajkosto> since they were basically taking 5.7$ per 100$
2020-03-22T08:45:28 < R2COM> swine flu infected 57mln americans, 240k hospitalized, 11k died, including 1.8k children... numbers way severe than coronavirus, how come coronavirus, yet not that much panic, how come corona is so much more panic?
2020-03-22T08:45:41 < R2COM> someone is overinflating the issues, for some reason
2020-03-22T08:45:46 < R2COM> i smell bs here
2020-03-22T08:45:50 < rajkosto> its way more infectious and people who get hospitalized need to stay there for 2 weeks at least
2020-03-22T08:45:58 < R2COM> so?
2020-03-22T08:46:01 < R2COM> what about swine flu?
2020-03-22T08:46:03 < rajkosto> and % of people needing hospitalization is higher
2020-03-22T08:46:04 < R2COM> almost same thing
2020-03-22T08:46:13 < rajkosto> way lower %
2020-03-22T08:46:21 < R2COM> dude... 240k hospitalized for swine flu JUST INUSA
2020-03-22T08:46:23 < R2COM> usa*
2020-03-22T08:46:31 < R2COM> what yo utalking about
2020-03-22T08:46:31 < rajkosto> in total
2020-03-22T08:46:46 < rajkosto> if you project current % of corona to "total" you end up with a way higher number
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2020-03-22T08:46:57 < rajkosto> also italy is already out of hospital capacity ages ago
2020-03-22T08:47:26 < R2COM> italy had some liberal/democrat/populistic activities where they were hugging chinese to show support
2020-03-22T08:47:31 < R2COM> so they kinda deserve it
2020-03-22T08:47:38 < rajkosto> thats not the source anyway
2020-03-22T08:47:45 < rajkosto> first outbreak was not in that city where that video was from
2020-03-22T08:48:06 < R2COM> also italy is a host of catholyc priests who are pedophiles
2020-03-22T08:48:08 < rajkosto> "so they deserve it"... well america will be at those numbers very soon
2020-03-22T08:48:13 < R2COM> so they deserve it again
2020-03-22T08:48:20 < rajkosto> deserve it or not
2020-03-22T08:48:35 < R2COM> yeah, you serbians are living with dream that america will burn
2020-03-22T08:48:40 < R2COM> as if its gonna make your life better
2020-03-22T08:48:41 < R2COM> lolz
2020-03-22T08:49:05 < R2COM> dont worry, usa will swallow this thing
2020-03-22T08:49:08 < rajkosto> "they deserve it"
2020-03-22T08:49:08 < R2COM> not a big deal
2020-03-22T08:49:14 < R2COM> yeah they do 
2020-03-22T08:49:33 < boddax> all the countries slow to take serious decision ..everybody think NOT ME ..but C-19 is for all
2020-03-22T08:49:39 < rajkosto> good luck with your toilet paper shortages
2020-03-22T08:49:54 < R2COM> there is no shortage
2020-03-22T08:50:00 < R2COM> i can even order it in amazon if i wanted
2020-03-22T08:50:03 < BrainDamage> https://rcolyer.net/covid19/plots/United_States.png
2020-03-22T08:50:09 < R2COM> but i dont need it in such much quantities
2020-03-22T08:50:21 < BrainDamage> one week and it'll reach the same situation as italy
2020-03-22T08:50:59 < R2COM> BrainDamage it wont
2020-03-22T08:51:14 < rajkosto> why not ? americans are magic ?
2020-03-22T08:51:19 < jly> all the koalas are going to die man
2020-03-22T08:51:35 < R2COM> cuz usa>italy
2020-03-22T08:52:04 < jly> im an australian
2020-03-22T08:52:16 < R2COM> italy=little shitty european country drowned in corruption
2020-03-22T08:52:35 < jly> will dave jones get the coronavirus?
2020-03-22T08:52:40 < R2COM>  yes
2020-03-22T08:53:03 < BrainDamage> I see it's pointless argung with you when all you do is repeat your mantra as if that's the solution for everything
2020-03-22T08:53:24 < R2COM> i dont repeat anything, i just state facts see above "italy=..."
2020-03-22T08:53:30 < R2COM> and make conclusion
2020-03-22T08:53:41 < rajkosto> america number one !!! totally immune
2020-03-22T08:53:51 < rajkosto> when people dont want to go to the doctor because it costs them lots of $$$
2020-03-22T08:54:13 < R2COM> yeah right, try to cnvince me that medicine in Serbia is better
2020-03-22T08:54:15 < R2COM> lmao
2020-03-22T08:55:13 < R2COM> what you say only applies to some shit poor people or immigrants from country like yours
2020-03-22T08:55:34 < R2COM> normal working people can afford anything here
2020-03-22T08:55:40 < rajkosto> well
2020-03-22T08:55:43 < rajkosto> theyre not working anymore ;P
2020-03-22T08:55:49 < R2COM> mmm they are
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2020-03-22T08:56:13 < boddax> Italy = best country in the world :)
2020-03-22T08:56:42 < R2COM> convo with you now reminds me convo with some russians who legitimately convinced that usa is falling apart but their country is best
2020-03-22T08:56:58 < rajkosto> never said anything about my country, in fact you whois'd me to see where im from first and then mentioned that
2020-03-22T08:57:20 < R2COM> yeah cuz im curious where the merica hater is from
2020-03-22T08:57:26 < R2COM> and then im pleased to see where
2020-03-22T08:57:29 < rajkosto> "hater"
2020-03-22T08:57:35 < R2COM> yeah cuz you all are
2020-03-22T08:57:36 < R2COM> come on
2020-03-22T08:58:27 < rajkosto> saying anything other than "america number 1" is hate i guess
2020-03-22T08:59:25 < R2COM> i must admit tho that usa also has lots of trash among population
2020-03-22T08:59:35 < R2COM> result of populism and liberalism we had
2020-03-22T09:00:03 < R2COM> its usually them who bitchmoan about expensive doctors etc
2020-03-22T09:00:09 < R2COM> you know where that rumor comes from?
2020-03-22T09:00:15 < R2COM> exactly from those shit poor people
2020-03-22T09:00:17 < R2COM> who cant afford stuff
2020-03-22T09:00:30 < rajkosto> from people who cant afford to pay their 6 digit cancer treatments and die from it ?
2020-03-22T09:01:01 < R2COM> people with proper insurance get their cancer treatment covered by >80%
2020-03-22T09:01:02 < R2COM> and live
2020-03-22T09:01:10 < R2COM> i even know such examples
2020-03-22T09:01:13 < rajkosto> 20% of a million dollars is still 200 000$
2020-03-22T09:01:28 < R2COM> its not million bucks yo
2020-03-22T09:01:31 < jadew> R2COM, this is why: http://188.25.126.97/stuff/ncov-day-59/cov-deaths.png
2020-03-22T09:02:06 < rajkosto> and thats only if your insurance company doesnt try to fuck you over
2020-03-22T09:02:57 < R2COM> let me tell you something simple...you pay for insurance, insurance covers treatment
2020-03-22T09:02:59 < R2COM> its that easy
2020-03-22T09:03:04 < R2COM> there is no "f'ing over"
2020-03-22T09:03:16 < rajkosto> unless the treatment is too expensive and they try to not cover it and instead drop you as a client because its more profitable to do that
2020-03-22T09:03:18 < R2COM> you pay for proper relatively good rated insurance of course
2020-03-22T09:03:27 < R2COM> either you, if you work for yourself, or your employer
2020-03-22T09:03:39 < R2COM> but if you are poor fuck or some shit ass immigrant from some estern europe here
2020-03-22T09:03:44 < rajkosto> and good luck getting insurance after having them pay for anything moderately expensive ever again
2020-03-22T09:03:45 < R2COM> then yeah, you try to save 5$
2020-03-22T09:03:49 < R2COM> and end up dying
2020-03-22T09:03:59 < jly> sweet give me a go
2020-03-22T09:04:06 < R2COM> dude dont tell me how things work in place where i live
2020-03-22T09:04:22 < rajkosto> it'll happen to you eventually
2020-03-22T09:04:28 < R2COM> ^
2020-03-22T09:04:38 < R2COM> typical estern european
2020-03-22T09:04:49 < R2COM> feels better when someone feels bad
2020-03-22T09:04:55 < R2COM> that is exact reason why you live in shit
2020-03-22T09:04:57 < R2COM> and always will
2020-03-22T09:05:03 < rajkosto> typical american
2020-03-22T09:05:20 < R2COM> you know what is difference between american farmer and russian farmer?
2020-03-22T09:06:50 < R2COM> if you ask american farmer who has neighbor farmer with more success what is his wish, he will say "more cows, more crops etc", if you ask russian farmer who has more successful neighbor farmer he will say his wish is "to see his neighbors cows to die, or his neighrbors crops to die"
2020-03-22T09:06:55 < R2COM> that is your mentality
2020-03-22T09:07:26 < R2COM> plain and simple
2020-03-22T09:07:33 < R2COM> anyway
2020-03-22T09:07:36 < boddax> break of world globalization shit
2020-03-22T09:07:36 < R2COM> its gaming time now
2020-03-22T09:07:37 < rajkosto> dude dont tell me how things work in place where i live
2020-03-22T09:07:57 < R2COM> rajkosto...lol....i originally come from place where people like you lived
2020-03-22T09:08:02 < R2COM> so *I* can say that
2020-03-22T09:08:03 < R2COM> haha
2020-03-22T09:08:08 < rajkosto> "people like you"
2020-03-22T09:08:24 < R2COM> dude i come from almost same place where you were raised
2020-03-22T09:08:25 < R2COM> yes
2020-03-22T09:10:18 < jadew> BrainDamage, the rumor here is that you guys have an ambulance shortage and people are dying in their homes now because they're not picked up fast enough, is that true or just blown out of proportion?
2020-03-22T09:12:47 < boddax> jadew i dont think is true
2020-03-22T09:16:42 < BrainDamage> jadew: the news don't report anything like that here, sounds like just a rumor
2020-03-22T09:17:15 < jadew> pretty sure we would be in that situation
2020-03-22T09:17:42 < jadew> I don't think we have enough ambulance staff even during regular days
2020-03-22T09:19:13 < boddax> hopefully wont happen jadew
2020-03-22T09:20:17 < BrainDamage> I find that a remote scenario, ambulances are used once for 10-20 min
2020-03-22T09:20:27 < BrainDamage> while hospital beds for a month
2020-03-22T09:20:39 < BrainDamage> you'll run out of hospital beds much sooner than ambulances
2020-03-22T09:21:31 < R2COM> situation will be much worse for counstries which do not take it seriouslyu 
2020-03-22T09:21:33 < R2COM> like russia
2020-03-22T09:21:38 < R2COM> which also has huge border with china
2020-03-22T09:21:47 < R2COM> and chinese going in and out without even any check
2020-03-22T09:21:51 < R2COM> even till last days
2020-03-22T09:22:05 < R2COM> mostly workers etc
2020-03-22T09:22:35 < R2COM> cuz its essentially a chinese virus
2020-03-22T09:22:38 < boddax> who knows if they still eat bats & rats
2020-03-22T09:28:01 < R2COM> funny thing is china tries to blame usa now saying its the US who made it 
2020-03-22T09:28:02 < R2COM> lol
2020-03-22T09:29:31 < R2COM> sleep time
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2020-03-22T10:20:56 < jly> rofl china
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2020-03-22T11:28:49 < Steffanx> Lol rajkosto why you even tried to discuss anything with that guy? His elitism is the worst of the worst
2020-03-22T11:29:16 < rajkosto> i forgotr
2020-03-22T11:33:30 < Steffanx> I think R2COM  is mad because the strip clubs are closed
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2020-03-22T11:33:58 < tcth_> but that also means that his mum can stay athome
2020-03-22T11:34:27 < tcth_> </such_funny>
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2020-03-22T11:35:59 < rajkosto> https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-sex-guidance.pdf
2020-03-22T11:37:10 < Steffanx> Haha tcth_ tcth_ 
2020-03-22T11:39:47 < Steffanx> Oops. We only have one of you here
2020-03-22T11:41:08 < BrainDamage> the united states are going to get it way worse than here
2020-03-22T11:41:10 < BrainDamage> https://rcolyer.net/covid19/plots/United_States.png
2020-03-22T11:41:18 < BrainDamage> 50% infections/day constant
2020-03-22T11:41:25 < BrainDamage> that's a hell of a infection rate
2020-03-22T11:41:38 < tcth_> jup
2020-03-22T11:41:43 < tcth_> USA man...
2020-03-22T11:41:49 < tcth_> I really have no clue anymore wtf is going on there
2020-03-22T11:41:53 < tcth_> like wtf, seriously. that country.
2020-03-22T11:42:07 < tcth_> it´s like they perfected trolling
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2020-03-22T12:24:58 < zyp> BrainDamage, probably will run out of respirators before hospital beds
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2020-03-22T12:28:34 < tcth_> hi zyp. how´s norwaying?
2020-03-22T12:30:08 < zyp> dunno, I'm in jp
2020-03-22T12:30:24 < tcth_> lol, that´s right. jpa- mentioned that last time I dropped by
2020-03-22T12:32:29 < Steffanx> Damn you talk about other people much?
2020-03-22T12:32:46 < Steffanx> Such gossipper 
2020-03-22T12:32:57 < tcth_> pretty sure it was in ##stm32
2020-03-22T12:33:13 < tcth_> also, jpa-´s and my private life is very... special.
2020-03-22T12:33:19 < srk> ##scuttlebutt32
2020-03-22T12:33:25 < tcth_> lol´d
2020-03-22T12:35:02 < Steffanx> Yes jpa-  is very special. 
2020-03-22T12:38:58 < doomba> ##agenda32
2020-03-22T12:39:24 < doomba> we're all gonna get Microchipped!
2020-03-22T12:39:52 < tcth_> mawk, ping
2020-03-22T12:40:47 < Steffanx> Mawk is hunting toilet paper.
2020-03-22T12:41:01 < tcth_> ok
2020-03-22T12:41:10 < tcth_> Steffanx is not gonna sharw?
2020-03-22T12:41:15 < tcth_> share*
2020-03-22T12:41:19 < doomba> sorry. mawk is unavailable right now. the NYC covid sex guidance says masturbate or become twittertrans
2020-03-22T12:41:28 < Steffanx> I'm not going outside. So.. cant share
2020-03-22T12:41:38 < Steffanx> And I wont allow mawk in my house
2020-03-22T12:41:49 < qyx> doomba: any new acquisition?
2020-03-22T12:42:02 < tcth_> Steffanx, so what you´re saying is that if mawk comes by your house you would throw him a roll or two to to the drive way?
2020-03-22T12:42:14 < Steffanx> We could try that.
2020-03-22T12:42:23 < tcth_> mawk ^
2020-03-22T12:42:26 < doomba> qyx: nope all my acquisitions have stopped except after sleeping for 24+ hours i am feeling better right now after just waking
2020-03-22T12:42:52 < tcth_> what are you acquiring?
2020-03-22T12:42:56 < doomba> time will tell if i am over the not-covid
2020-03-22T12:43:41 < doomba> i was acquiring lots of preps weeks ago
2020-03-22T12:43:50 < doomba> before people started panicking
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2020-03-22T12:44:06 < qyx> I was more interested in microchip
2020-03-22T12:44:18 < doomba> oh that. yes
2020-03-22T12:45:13 < doomba> i have heard rumors from people frequenting the tinfoilchans that the next stage of the gates foundation virus are to continue to break down the world economy
2020-03-22T12:45:24 < doomba> then implement ID2020 once a vaccine is available
2020-03-22T12:45:32 < tcth_> > gates foundation viru
2020-03-22T12:45:35 < tcth_> wait what? what did I miss there?
2020-03-22T12:45:45 < doomba> and all humans will receive a "biomarker" (from Microchip) to show they have been vaccinated.
2020-03-22T12:46:18 < veverak> wat
2020-03-22T12:46:39 < doomba> this biomarker will ensure that the new silicon valley world government have each human's DNA on file and that they are permitted to participate in commerce.
2020-03-22T12:47:16 < doomba> and the new vertical farm genetically-personalized food supply chains will be up and running.
2020-03-22T12:47:30 < doomba> soy that is a perfect match for one's DNA.
2020-03-22T12:48:02 < Steffanx> We're doomba'd 
2020-03-22T12:48:14 < tcth_> what about TempleOS?
2020-03-22T12:48:21 < doomba> combined with years of social media posts and purchasing history, ML algorithms will tailor the food for each individual to promote either health or swift onset of disease.
2020-03-22T12:48:21 < tcth_> it MUST fit somewhere into this
2020-03-22T12:48:49 < doomba> and by the time anyone realizes what's happening, the great neo-eugenics purge of humanity will be complete.
2020-03-22T12:48:53 < Steffanx> The father of TempleOS is no longer with us remember?
2020-03-22T12:49:20 < doomba> the world population will be reduced to 500M, with a small ~10K ruling elite of transgender javascript verified checkmarks on twitter.
2020-03-22T12:49:22 < tcth_> Steffanx, at least that´s what they want you to believe
2020-03-22T12:49:55 < doomba> It appears Microchip has been chosen to manufacture the biomarker
2020-03-22T12:50:33 < tcth_> well then, time for me to get back to ´getting shit done´-land
2020-03-22T12:50:35 < doomba> we have an opportunity to haq our biomarkers to receive the "good" food from bezos' supply chains.
2020-03-22T12:50:37 < tcth_> cya later, folks
2020-03-22T12:51:04 < tcth_> doomba, where does monsantos fit into this?
2020-03-22T12:51:39 < doomba> tcth_: ohhhh the monsantos... which are now known as Sackler-Bayer-Dow-Dupont-Google are all up in it.
2020-03-22T12:51:52 < tcth_> :p
2020-03-22T12:52:21 < doomba> lol
2020-03-22T12:52:26 < tcth_> whenever we´re discussing a planty-science thing my gf brings up monsantos - with a lot of despair I think.
2020-03-22T12:52:37 < doomba> ok i'm awake now. time to do something productive
2020-03-22T12:52:45 < tcth_> same here
2020-03-22T12:53:01 < doomba> tbf monsanto is ded
2020-03-22T12:53:16 < doomba> bayer bought them and killed the name "monsanto" because it had so much bad stigma around it.
2020-03-22T12:53:30 < tcth_> yeah, so still around. just different PR :p
2020-03-22T12:53:40 < doomba> well i mean...
2020-03-22T12:53:48 < doomba> the tinfoilers were all like "zomg monsanto so bad."
2020-03-22T12:53:55 < doomba> and now a fucking drug company owns it
2020-03-22T12:54:08 < doomba> why do you think in the US they call it the Food and DRUG administration?
2020-03-22T12:54:25 < tcth_> LOL!
2020-03-22T12:54:28 < tcth_> alright, I really gotta go now 
2020-03-22T12:54:32 < tcth_> take care people o/
2020-03-22T12:54:35 < doomba> but it was the perfect time for bayer to buy because we have full control over our internet now
2020-03-22T12:54:55 < doomba> only the big dinosour media companies can do fake news now
2020-03-22T12:54:59 < doomba> everybody else gets banned
2020-03-22T12:55:15 < doomba> talk shit about monsanto? try it. you'll be cancelled by their army of SJWs
2020-03-22T12:56:29 < Steffanx> Is doomba alright? Do you know?
2020-03-22T12:56:43 < srk> doomba: is twitter down?
2020-03-22T12:57:06 < doomba> twitter is always down for me srk
2020-03-22T12:57:11 < srk> good :)
2020-03-22T12:57:18 < doomba> my router doesn't resolve its dns
2020-03-22T12:59:29 < Steffanx> You would be a good twatter.
2020-03-22T13:00:52 < doomba> i'm trying to keep my options open tho
2020-03-22T13:01:20 < doomba> well not really. but i think using social media would close a lot of doors given my penchant for filling rooms with stupid noise
2020-03-22T13:02:25 < doomba> and i strongly believe that 5-10 years from now when ML gets a little better, the US will have a full blown social credit system that makes china's dystopian nightmare look like a children's cartoon.
2020-03-22T13:02:47 < doomba> and it will all be tied into social media data going back over a decade
2020-03-22T13:02:52 < srk> isn't that in place already?
2020-03-22T13:03:03 < doomba> it is, but it's not fully immersive yet
2020-03-22T13:03:07 < srk> :D
2020-03-22T13:03:13 < srk> too much manual labor
2020-03-22T13:03:33 < doomba> for example - i can still participate in commerce and walk around in public without being arrested
2020-03-22T13:03:51 < doomba> i don't expect that to be the case by 2030
2020-03-22T13:10:48 < c10ud> i heard the doj guy wants to change that today
2020-03-22T13:13:21 < doomba> elon musk and tim cook enlisted by cali gov
2020-03-22T13:13:34 < doomba> elon will fly all the rich people to mars in cybertrucks
2020-03-22T13:14:06 < doomba> and tim cook will put the homeless coronavirus patients into labor camps to make iphones now that china isn't shipping - even for apple.
2020-03-22T13:16:26 < srk> lol
2020-03-22T13:31:33 < qyx> does anyone know if aisler is working?
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2020-03-22T13:31:51 < qyx> I can't see any corona status on their web
2020-03-22T13:31:54 < qyx> nor twatter
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2020-03-22T13:44:34 < jadew> BrainDamage, they'll probably have it the worst because they did absolutely nothing for so long
2020-03-22T13:48:49 < PaulFertser> Worse than russia?
2020-03-22T13:56:11 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: did you see their infection graph?
2020-03-22T13:56:17 < BrainDamage> 50%/day
2020-03-22T13:56:39 < BrainDamage> and not just the latest trend, overall
2020-03-22T13:56:42 < BrainDamage> that's twice the eu average
2020-03-22T13:57:35 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: yes, that sounds scary. But I can't understand how russia can be much different in that regard, what might be making the situation different?
2020-03-22T13:58:10 < BrainDamage> either lack of testing or population density is better
2020-03-22T13:58:14 < BrainDamage> or less social activities
2020-03-22T13:58:23 < BrainDamage> the cold does help in that regard >.>
2020-03-22T13:58:45 < PaulFertser> It's not that cold, at least not in moscow and st.petersburg.
2020-03-22T13:59:32 < PaulFertser> moscow is getting prepared though, some hospitals are being repurposed, some new hospitals are being urgently built
2020-03-22T13:59:42 < PaulFertser> But that doesn't explain the current results.
2020-03-22T14:00:11 < PaulFertser> Lack of testing doesn't explain that there're seemingly not many patients with pneumonia here yet.
2020-03-22T14:02:44 < BrainDamage> can also be lack of reporting
2020-03-22T14:03:24 < BrainDamage> take china for example, where starts are 'perfect"
2020-03-22T14:03:28 < BrainDamage> not even a bit of noise
2020-03-22T14:03:32 < PaulFertser> Could be but I doubt one can hide pneumonia cases on any serious scale.
2020-03-22T14:04:48 < PaulFertser> You do not read Simplifed Chineese and you're not on their weibo etc. Same for me. So it's hard to tell what people there are really knowing and thinking. Plus extreme (compared to russia) Internet censorship.
2020-03-22T14:05:15 < BrainDamage> yes, but we're doing comparisons by official stats
2020-03-22T14:05:56 < BrainDamage> what people locally know isn't particularly relevant
2020-03-22T14:18:48 < karlp> in putins russia, you don't have pneumonia, you have pre-existing tb? :)
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2020-03-22T14:24:56 < PaulFertser> karlp: tb probably kinda helps because there're more hospitals and doctors prepared for lung problems.
2020-03-22T14:30:09 < rajkosto> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/403927117727006721/691228548958257163/60fbd5d.jpg
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2020-03-22T14:36:57 < karlp> right, now I remember already why even cracki/doomba is more fun that aretoo
2020-03-22T14:38:41 < doomba> because you love us <3
2020-03-22T14:38:56 < doomba> squeeeeeeee32
2020-03-22T14:39:47 < doomba> i've been reading some science news about how they think coronachan might be spreading through fecal-to-oral channels
2020-03-22T14:40:06 < doomba> because the virus exits the body through feces
2020-03-22T14:40:13 < BrainDamage> no more rimming 4 u
2020-03-22T14:40:17 < doomba> and they said some cases had GI symptoms
2020-03-22T14:40:39 < doomba> they also said that the people quarantined on the diamond princess likely got infected through this route
2020-03-22T14:40:52 < doomba> so i wonder wtf really happens on cruise ships
2020-03-22T14:40:57 < doomba> like they're having shit parties
2020-03-22T14:41:15 < BrainDamage> more like people don't wash their hands on a cruise
2020-03-22T14:41:28 < doomba> right
2020-03-22T14:41:51 < doomba> people touch their bungs and don't wash their hands thoroughly
2020-03-22T14:42:02 < doomba> and the microbes are then consumed / inhaled
2020-03-22T14:42:18 < doomba> or farting
2020-03-22T14:42:25 < doomba> if you smell the fart, you're inhaling corona
2020-03-22T14:42:55 < doomba> they also said that those with GI symptoms didn't develop respitory stuff for a few days
2020-03-22T14:43:01 < karlp> PaulFertser: yar, the backgroudn tb levels must help, but my wife and I are also both wtf'ing at russias numbers.
2020-03-22T14:43:04 < doomba> so if i have covid, then the respitory shit should start appearing any time now
2020-03-22T14:43:33 < karlp> doomba: I really don't fucking love the incessant nonstop bullshit, it's just marginally better than aretoo
2020-03-22T14:44:10 < doomba> i didn't say you love the shit. you love Cracki and me and lolrence.
2020-03-22T14:45:02 < karlp> no.
2020-03-22T14:45:29 < doomba> hate is just love so extreme it flipped over to the other end of the spectrum
2020-03-22T14:49:29 < karlp> qyx: have you used kicad project templates at all?
2020-03-22T14:49:43 < karlp> that seeeems to be a way of doing enclosure stuff, but it seems pretty orphaned child
2020-03-22T14:53:54 < englishman> I see r2com is optimistic
2020-03-22T14:54:08 < englishman> that's good, optimism is good for health
2020-03-22T15:08:04 < karlp> qyx: check out this awesome hub project. https://github.com/dilshan/usb2-power-hub
2020-03-22T15:08:33 < karlp> separate fat bucks for each port, with swiches controlled by a pic :)
2020-03-22T15:10:17 < specing> > pic > awesome
2020-03-22T15:10:19 < specing> pick one
2020-03-22T15:10:46 < englishman> wut
2020-03-22T15:10:57 < englishman> if developing why not use a bench supply
2020-03-22T15:12:08 < karlp> no clue, and they're physical switches too,
2020-03-22T15:12:15 < karlp> dont' understand it at all 
2020-03-22T15:12:44 < englishman> fe1.1 looks like a smart choice tho
2020-03-22T15:13:12 < qyx> wat four LM2596-5.0
2020-03-22T15:13:32 < qyx> and tht ceramic cap
2020-03-22T15:13:44 < englishman> and why the pic
2020-03-22T15:14:13 < karlp> because the push buttons are connected to the pic, which turns the bucks on and off :)
2020-03-22T15:14:27 < karlp> I think the fe1.1 is the only smart part of that really.
2020-03-22T15:15:38 < qyx> karlp: notemplates, I did read something about them though
2020-03-22T15:16:07 < karlp> looks like it works ok, but is a bit hacky to create, so that explains why no-one uses them
2020-03-22T15:16:13 < karlp> also, you have to crreate the project from them.
2020-03-22T15:16:18 < karlp> ~no way to change it later.
2020-03-22T15:16:31 < karlp> you'd have to remake the project from new template and ccopy/paste stuff
2020-03-22T15:16:38 < qyx> I have this so far four LM2596-5.0
2020-03-22T15:16:38 < qyx> nope
2020-03-22T15:16:45 < qyx> https://i.imgur.com/Gxlo7K4.png
2020-03-22T15:17:06 < qyx> copy&pasting in kicad is disaster
2020-03-22T15:17:50 < karlp> yeah, so templates are workable, but not nearly the same as, "pick an enclosure now"
2020-03-22T15:18:35 < qyx> usually I change the enclosure during the process
2020-03-22T15:18:45 < karlp> yeah, that's what I was hoping for.
2020-03-22T15:18:55 < qyx> but I guess it is manageable to pick one beforehand
2020-03-22T15:19:04 < qyx> in most cases
2020-03-22T15:27:13 < jadew> first deaths in Romania today
2020-03-22T15:32:01 < jadew> based on that formula, we should have ~1345 total cases now, but I don't know the error, considering the small sample size
2020-03-22T15:37:37 < Steffanx> Dont die jadew 
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2020-03-22T15:57:13 < specing> jadew: now is the time to write a will, pick who gets your electronics
2020-03-22T15:58:04 < antto> my cat would be happy to inherit all my ziplock bags
2020-03-22T15:59:57 < specing> lol
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2020-03-22T16:04:42 < Laurenceb> lmao https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/148C8/production/_111386148_img_4574.jpg
2020-03-22T16:05:04 < Steffanx> Ill send you some 50x50cm zip lock bags antto. Can it probably fit inside.
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2020-03-22T16:23:48 < Laurenceb> ywlts the "escape to Wales" meme irl
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2020-03-22T16:32:58 < emeb> Still chuckling about englishman's comment the other day about "tailgunner on a bread truck"
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2020-03-22T16:51:28 < Laurenceb> >everyone lolled when they escaped to wales in an rv in 28 days later
2020-03-22T17:06:37 < Laurenceb> are there MPPT solar DC-DC converters that can take ~500v DC in ?
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2020-03-22T17:15:03 < Laurenceb> https://www.victronenergy.com/solar-charge-controllers/smartsolar-250-85-250-100
2020-03-22T17:15:24 < Laurenceb> might work I guess, 250v is still a bit lower than I was hoping for
2020-03-22T17:16:15 < emeb> why 500?
2020-03-22T17:18:45 < qyx> why 500?
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2020-03-22T17:26:18 < BrainDamage> jadew: I found the reason why the death rate is so high in italy
2020-03-22T17:26:43 < BrainDamage> after the sleeve of infections, they limited testing to only people with grave symptoms
2020-03-22T17:27:06 < BrainDamage> so you're seeing a high infection to death rate because the real amount of infections is untracked for
2020-03-22T17:27:24 < BrainDamage> also why test/positive ratio is so high
2020-03-22T17:28:08 < englishman> very likely affecting the skew to older people being poz as well
2020-03-22T17:28:16 < englishman> as younger / healthy will be asymptomatic
2020-03-22T17:28:43 < BrainDamage> yes, I'm reading some preprints and we have an approximate rate of ~75% asymptomatics
2020-03-22T17:28:48 < BrainDamage> which is impressive
2020-03-22T17:29:02 < englishman> the same as HIV
2020-03-22T17:29:51 < englishman> idk where to sell my picknplace other than craigslist
2020-03-22T17:29:56 < Steffanx> I think the same is happening here BrainDamage
2020-03-22T17:29:59 < englishman> as i dont really want to ship it
2020-03-22T17:30:16 < BrainDamage> you can list on ebay for local pickup only
2020-03-22T17:30:21 < specing> Why isn't italy testing en-masse?
2020-03-22T17:30:27 < BrainDamage> yes, it was
2020-03-22T17:30:37 < BrainDamage> but protocol changed when infections skyrocketed
2020-03-22T17:31:02 < Steffanx> Lack of test capacity is part of the issue i guess?
2020-03-22T17:31:05 < BrainDamage> yes
2020-03-22T17:32:45 < BrainDamage> also, phoned one of my aunts that lives in the proximity of the hostest zone, she said that approx 50% of the town members have flu-like symptoms, but nobody got tested unless grave
2020-03-22T17:33:14 < BrainDamage> ( her husband also is also sick, but wasn't tested )
2020-03-22T17:33:58 < PaulFertser> Russia claims they really do plenty of testing: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing (the article is about the whole world)
2020-03-22T17:34:29 < englishman> they are testing as much as they test their athletes for PEDs!
2020-03-22T17:35:03 < englishman> speaking of which, is meldonium a good one?
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2020-03-22T17:53:41 < PaulFertser> englishman: I'm not aware of the research results about it
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2020-03-22T18:26:13 < mawk> to be tested in nl you need high fever and contact with someone from risky area, or something
2020-03-22T18:26:19 < mawk> high is above 38°C I think
2020-03-22T18:27:13 < doomba> i was 99.5F a couple days ago. that's slightly high. 98.1F today.
2020-03-22T18:27:18 < doomba> TAKE NOTE, BILL.
2020-03-22T18:29:21 < mawk> sorry we don't speak F here
2020-03-22T18:29:40 < mawk> or rather we speak F but not °F
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2020-03-22T19:01:34 < Laurenceb> wew
2020-03-22T19:01:48 < Laurenceb> Chinooks flying over my house with pallets of food underneath
2020-03-22T19:02:18 < tcth_> mawk, do you netflix?
2020-03-22T19:02:30 < mawk> sometimes tcth_ 
2020-03-22T19:02:36 < mawk> but I don't find anything interesting there
2020-03-22T19:02:40 < Steffanx> Shoot it down with your rockoon Laurenceb 
2020-03-22T19:02:41 < mawk> I'm more into documentaries/science stuff
2020-03-22T19:02:53 < mawk> when I want to relax I watch police documentataries
2020-03-22T19:02:58 < mawk> "UNITÉ DE CHOC CHEZ LES RACAILES"
2020-03-22T19:03:10 < Steffanx> Je be parle pas français 
2020-03-22T19:03:13 < mawk> "STRIKE FORCE IN RIFF RAFF SUBURBS"
2020-03-22T19:03:20 < tcth_> mawk, do yourself a favor and watch ``Au service de la France``
2020-03-22T19:03:26 < mawk> yeah I saw it all
2020-03-22T19:03:28 < mawk> it's very nice
2020-03-22T19:03:29 < tcth_> ahahaha
2020-03-22T19:03:38 < mawk> you have to be french to understand all the jokes tho
2020-03-22T19:03:38 < tcth_> I finished s01
2020-03-22T19:03:56 < mawk> they even pick on france a bit too much for me
2020-03-22T19:04:06 < mawk> as is france was that incompetent
2020-03-22T19:04:09 < mawk> but it's still pretty funny
2020-03-22T19:04:12 < tcth_> it reminded me how nice the french language is
2020-03-22T19:04:26 < Steffanx> You still might enjoy mindhunter on netflix mawk
2020-03-22T19:04:49 < mawk> yeah I saw that too
2020-03-22T19:05:20 < Laurenceb> >britbongs will be getting mil ration packs
2020-03-22T19:05:21 < Laurenceb> lmao
2020-03-22T19:05:55 < mawk> I was sleeping instead of working friday
2020-03-22T19:06:05 < mawk> I guess I should work now to have something to present to my colleagues tomorrow
2020-03-22T19:06:17 < mawk> do some work that's quick to do but looks slow to do
2020-03-22T19:06:39 < Steffanx> You didn't call in sick?
2020-03-22T19:06:45 < mawk> no
2020-03-22T19:06:49 < mawk> well we all work from home
2020-03-22T19:06:56 < mawk> I just fell asleep in front of the computer
2020-03-22T19:07:03 < Steffanx> Yes, but you sleept for a reason I guess?
2020-03-22T19:07:10 < mawk> dunno
2020-03-22T19:07:12 < mawk> just very tired
2020-03-22T19:07:15 < mawk> for some reason
2020-03-22T19:07:19 < tcth_> tell me about dutchland
2020-03-22T19:07:47 < Steffanx> What is dutchland?
2020-03-22T19:08:22 < mawk> dunno
2020-03-22T19:08:41 < englishman> invest in wooden shoe companies
2020-03-22T19:09:01 < tcth_> englishman <3
2020-03-22T19:09:34 < Steffanx> Want some, Englishman?
2020-03-22T19:09:48 < mawk> klompen
2020-03-22T19:09:51 < mawk> klomp klomp klomp klomp 
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2020-03-22T19:10:09 < Steffanx> Did you try some yet, mawk?
2020-03-22T19:10:10 < tcth_> did everybody answer a stackoverflow question today yet?
2020-03-22T19:10:18 < Steffanx> Fuck no.
2020-03-22T19:10:29 < mawk> yes Steffanx when I was little
2020-03-22T19:10:33 < mawk> my grandparents had some
2020-03-22T19:10:41 < mawk> obviously, since they're dutch
2020-03-22T19:10:42 < Steffanx> :)
2020-03-22T19:11:49 < boddax_> forgot the name of software design schematic and export verilog ..someone recall it?
2020-03-22T19:12:47 < tcth_> not vague enough for me to help you
2020-03-22T19:13:13 < mawk> you only like vague questions tcth_ ?
2020-03-22T19:13:17 < mawk> did you know vague is a french word ?
2020-03-22T19:13:21 < mawk> it also means wave
2020-03-22T19:13:36 < mawk> it's also the name of the X nerve
2020-03-22T19:13:37 < tcth_> I wish I´d spend more time here.
2020-03-22T19:13:38 < mawk> the vagal nerve
2020-03-22T19:14:15 < mawk> the one that lowers your heart rate when you press on it
2020-03-22T19:14:19 < tcth_> boddax_, public logs might help: http://xob.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stm32/
2020-03-22T19:16:30 < Steffanx> Can I donate you a ' key tcth_ ?
2020-03-22T19:16:49 < tcth_> Steffanx, gladly :)
2020-03-22T19:17:01 < tcth_> it's greatly appreciated, thanks!
2020-03-22T19:17:11 < tcth_> how´s life, Steffanx?
2020-03-22T19:17:25 < Steffanx> Yeah ... fine so far.
2020-03-22T19:17:31 < tcth_> good
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2020-03-22T19:18:31 < englishman> :O
2020-03-22T19:18:57 < Steffanx> Same in swiss3rland?
2020-03-22T19:19:19 < tcth_> jup
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2020-03-22T19:42:24 < boddax> vague or vogue is french?
2020-03-22T19:43:27 < mawk> yes
2020-03-22T19:43:29 < mawk> both
2020-03-22T19:43:53 < mawk> vague means wave, also means fuzzy like in english
2020-03-22T19:44:16 < mawk> and vogue is the conjugated form of the verb voguer which means to sail, it also means fashion
2020-03-22T19:44:21 < mawk> it's the name of a famous magazine also
2020-03-22T19:46:38 < englishman> open source i can support https://hugokaaman.com/open-source-research-on-svbied-design-and-tactics/
2020-03-22T19:47:05 < Cracki> mawk, which way do the winds blow
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2020-03-22T19:53:58 < aandrew> SBVIED? IED I got, but SBV?
2020-03-22T19:55:15 < karlp> vb is vehicle borne, but the s?
2020-03-22T19:55:26 < karlp> going on "Two weeks ago, I published an in-depth report with European Eye on Radicalization, in which I examined the who's and what's of Remote-Controlled Vehicle-Borne Improvised Explosive Device (RC-VBIED) use. " at least..
2020-03-22T19:55:48 < karlp> s is suicide
2020-03-22T19:57:01 < mawk> I don't know Cracki 
2020-03-22T19:57:15 < Cracki> fashion is like the wind
2020-03-22T19:57:40 < mawk> yeah
2020-03-22T19:58:08 < aandrew> Cracki: so are farts
2020-03-22T19:58:22 < Cracki> i agree, fashion is like farts
2020-03-22T20:02:31 < tcth> https://fork.dev now want´s money too
2020-03-22T20:02:32 < tcth> damn
2020-03-22T20:02:44 < Cracki> fork them
2020-03-22T20:02:52 < tcth> proprietary closed source
2020-03-22T20:03:13 < Cracki> fork over the money
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2020-03-22T20:03:45 < doomba> were they on hackernews?
2020-03-22T20:03:51 < doomba> if they weren't on hackernews, they're NOBODY.
2020-03-22T20:03:58 < doomba> btw read n-gate.com it's the real news.
2020-03-22T20:04:16 < Cracki> I know gamergate, didn't know n-word gate
2020-03-22T20:04:33 < doomba> n-gate.com is awesome. i highly recommend you bookmark it and stop reading HN.
2020-03-22T20:04:47 < Cracki> trustworthy font
2020-03-22T20:04:54 < doomba> the font is a troll
2020-03-22T20:05:08 < tcth> is this comic sans?
2020-03-22T20:05:20 < doomba> i donno i use elinks to read it
2020-03-22T20:05:20 < Cracki> noooo
2020-03-22T20:05:28 < doomba> because the font is intentionally blurry to make the reader get pissed off
2020-03-22T20:05:41 < tcth> tbh I don´t even know what hackernews is
2020-03-22T20:05:51 < Cracki> >The Chinese State Council, which was Hackernews' top pick for global government last week
2020-03-22T20:06:03 < Cracki> it's like reddit but for triple digit IQ
2020-03-22T20:06:18 < tcth> is that better or worse?
2020-03-22T20:06:19 < doomba> the n-gate.com FOSDEM writups are the best too
2020-03-22T20:06:20 < jpa-> better enjoy the golden age of humanity, and all its gems such as 4chan and hackernews, while we still can
2020-03-22T20:06:50 < doomba> http://n-gate.com/privacy_policy
2020-03-22T20:07:54 < doomba> it's hilarious
2020-03-22T20:08:25 < doomba> we murimutts love to blame our censorship on machine learning
2020-03-22T20:09:10 < doomba> "it totally wasn't censorship. we just got the algorithm wrong... again."
2020-03-22T20:11:58 < mawk> same when the algorithm turns racist
2020-03-22T20:12:20 < mawk> "the reality isn't racist, it's just the bias of researchers that got into the algorithm, let us actively tweak it to remove the bias"
2020-03-22T20:12:47 < Cracki> fox eats hen, whitey to blame
2020-03-22T20:12:55 < mawk> lol
2020-03-22T20:13:14 < doomba> lol moar like "the algorithm showed all ethnicities are capable of racist hate speech - when it should have singled out whitey."
2020-03-22T20:13:16 < Cracki> if you hadn't let the hens into the fox house, this wouldn't have happened
2020-03-22T20:13:33 < Cracki> maybe reality is racist
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2020-03-22T20:19:18 < Laurenceb> > Hackernews has been pasting keywords from Wikipedia into Google Scholar for the past week, and is by now the single greatest source of epidemiological knowledge in the history of the planet
2020-03-22T20:25:13 < Laurenceb> >Someone attempts to document Linux. Hackernews is super glad that someone is trying
2020-03-22T20:25:16 < Laurenceb> I liek dis
2020-03-22T20:26:17 < BrainDamage> being snarky about others is also free
2020-03-22T20:32:36 < jly> hiiiiiii
2020-03-22T20:39:05 < Steffanx> lo
2020-03-22T20:39:16 < jly> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfSI3L5M94A
2020-03-22T20:39:25 < jly> hi Steffanx 
2020-03-22T20:39:50 < Steffanx> gooday
2020-03-22T20:40:58 < tomeaton17> millions will die
2020-03-22T20:41:30 < Steffanx> Farewell tomeaton17
2020-03-22T20:45:59 < Steffanx> special link for jly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mMBukyPP90
2020-03-22T20:48:15 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: thanks
2020-03-22T20:48:37 < tomeaton17> sorry I was just baiting some bloke got really triggered on ##electronics last night
2020-03-22T20:53:04 < Steffanx> i see
2020-03-22T20:54:04 < Cracki> tomeaton17, do tell :D
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2020-03-22T20:54:50 < tomeaton17> I think he was drunk or something just rambling about how the channel had gone crazy and loads of people were overreacted for house
2020-03-22T20:55:00 < Cracki> try asking them to calculate population [1] / life expectancy [days]
2020-03-22T20:55:16 < tomeaton17> so i couldnt resist and said millions will die and he lost the plot
2020-03-22T20:55:33 < Cracki> millions are gonna die regardless
2020-03-22T20:55:41 < Cracki> we aren't immortal
2020-03-22T20:56:00 < tomeaton17> exactly
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2020-03-22T20:56:20 < Cracki> oh great, now gatherings of more than two people are banned
2020-03-22T20:56:33 < tomeaton17> do you remember when freenode got brigaded by those people saying a mod was a nonce?
2020-03-22T20:56:50 < Cracki> everyone be like oo  oo  oo / o  oo  oo o / oo  oo  oo / o  oo  oo  o
2020-03-22T20:57:07 < BrainDamage> is that a mithosis diagram?
2020-03-22T20:57:18 < Cracki> I remember there was a great flood of shit but that's about it
2020-03-22T20:57:27 < Cracki> that's a people stepping left, people stepping right, diagram
2020-03-22T20:57:46 < tomeaton17> imo that was the most exciting thing to happen on freenode for a long time
2020-03-22T20:58:09 < Cracki> get a surf board maybe
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2020-03-22T21:01:00 < Cracki> I don't know how I survived these gloomy winters up to now
2020-03-22T21:02:16 < tomeaton17> whisky
2020-03-22T21:02:34 < qyx> so if i want more SD cards on a sdmmc interface on stm32 connected in parallel
2020-03-22T21:02:40 < qyx> is there any reason it should not work?
2020-03-22T21:03:02 < Cracki> when I was little we went to bulgaria once. I miss that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR7N1GQwtmM
2020-03-22T21:03:25 < Cracki> qyx, it's spi... can you chipselect each?
2020-03-22T21:03:44 < doomba> that last thing about a mod being a donce
2020-03-22T21:03:46 < Cracki> oh wait sdmmc, don't know that
2020-03-22T21:03:55 < doomba> that was a PRS
2020-03-22T21:04:16 < tomeaton17> Cracki: that looks very pleasant
2020-03-22T21:04:17 < doomba> to get the userbase to accept heavier moderation network-wide
2020-03-22T21:04:17 < Cracki> I know sd cards can do spi, but normal sd comms are more advanced
2020-03-22T21:04:28 < doomba> because we were coming up on an election year again
2020-03-22T21:04:53 < qyx> Cracki: yeah when using SPI mode I would just use a single CS for every card
2020-03-22T21:04:55 < doomba> and the bigtech(tm) doesn't want a repeat of 2016 where wrong-think is allowed to flourish and cause the evil orange man to get re-elected
2020-03-22T21:05:10 < Cracki> not sure if they talk about spi too. https://www.embeddedrelated.com/showthread/comp.arch.embedded/69909-1.php
2020-03-22T21:06:42 < Cracki> one guy says yes, they can sit on the same bus
2020-03-22T21:07:27 < tomeaton17> orange man bad
2020-03-22T21:07:51 < Cracki> 10-40 cards! that would make round robin recording easy
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2020-03-22T21:09:15 < qyx> heh founf the same
2020-03-22T21:09:35 < qyx> yes thats about what I was expecting from it
2020-03-22T21:09:43 < qyx> so it should work
2020-03-22T21:09:49 < qyx> now, can stm32 handle this?
2020-03-22T21:10:14 < qyx> it looks like it doesn't require any special support in the host peripheral
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2020-03-22T21:17:40 < Cracki> if you do the ALL_SEND_CID explicitly and handle address assignment, I guess? haven't used stm32 mmc peripheral, it might or might not do that for you
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2020-03-22T21:40:58 < englishman> aandrew: suicide vehicle borne IED
2020-03-22T21:41:46 < englishman> ie, modifying a Lada into an armoured tank and driving it into some soldiers then detonating
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2020-03-22T22:46:04 < PaulFertser> englishman: Lada Niva?
2020-03-22T22:46:26 < englishman> those are too awesome to blow up
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2020-03-22T22:46:53 < antto> when i was a kid, i once peed on the door handle of a police lada niva
2020-03-22T22:47:01  * antto is savage
2020-03-22T22:47:07 < PaulFertser> They're probably first mass-produced cross-over SUV in the world.
2020-03-22T22:47:29 < antto> then i waited for the cops to return to their car, of course
2020-03-22T22:48:57 < Steffanx> Arent you still 13?
2020-03-22T22:50:39 < antto> if i was 13 year old the oldest police cars i'd know would be opel astra B
2020-03-22T22:50:41 < antto> not lada ;]
2020-03-22T22:51:58 < antto> hm, G akchually
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2020-03-22T22:58:37 < Steffanx> hm
2020-03-22T23:01:47 < antto> https://images.webcafe.bg/2019/12/03/teslapatrulka/618x345.jpg
2020-03-22T23:01:49 < antto> huhuhuu
2020-03-22T23:02:16 < antto> the future looks fuggly
2020-03-22T23:07:26 < Laurenceb> https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=16019162&cid=59860046
2020-03-22T23:08:54 < aandrew> lo-poly reality
2020-03-22T23:10:31 < antto> PS1 car games had more detailed models
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2020-03-22T23:23:16 < jly> gran turismens
2020-03-22T23:26:26 < Cracki> dear italians: gelato vs "ice cream". is this a distinction like african vs indian elephant, or what's the deal
2020-03-22T23:28:11 < Cracki> or is it like real italian pizza vs murican pizza?
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2020-03-22T23:36:16 < karlp> you're pretty good at wikiing up things normally, why aren't yuou just searching for this y ourself?
2020-03-22T23:36:45 < qyx> oh hey
2020-03-22T23:36:53 < Cracki> how's the sd card stuff
2020-03-22T23:37:36 < qyx> karlp: do I understand it correctly if I strap cfg_sel[0..2] to ground, I am running with defaults and all other straps are not sampled?
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2020-03-22T23:38:11 < qyx> Cracki: the guy is probably right, you too
2020-03-22T23:38:43 < qyx> I'll probably piggyback two uSD sockets to test it
2020-03-22T23:38:57  * karlp checks
2020-03-22T23:38:59 < Cracki> don't credit me too much, my insights don't pop into my head, they come from the outside
2020-03-22T23:39:51 < karlp> I was agoing with 0b100 I think, so you get dynamic power switching, but there, there's a few defaults+one or two options
2020-03-22T23:40:46 < qyx> okay, I selected dynamic power until I actually read what is it
2020-03-22T23:41:05 < qyx> and concluded I don't need nor want it
2020-03-22T23:41:24 < karlp> I've just got six footprints and an eeprom footprint :)
2020-03-22T23:43:44 < jadew> BrainDamage, yeah, I was expecting that to be honest, from what I've heard, after community spread is confirmed and rampant, there's no point in testing everyone anymore
2020-03-22T23:44:21 < jadew> in here, because of the small number of available testing kits, they also only test symptomatic patients, so they know what treatment to follow
2020-03-22T23:44:40 < jadew> colleague of my wife is currently suspected
2020-03-22T23:45:14 < jadew> she refused testing because she didn't want to go to the hospital (and maybe catch it there)
2020-03-22T23:45:30 < karlp> qyx: I had a spreadsheet of the defaults and things at one point, really can't remember now.
2020-03-22T23:45:43 < jadew> but if she's still feeling ill by tomorrow, they'll test her anyway
2020-03-22T23:45:51 < karlp> I'm currnently grumping abotu having picked a nice cheap case the right size that's _only_ available at tme,
2020-03-22T23:45:56 < karlp> so not sure how much that reall saves...
2020-03-22T23:46:05 < qyx> wgucg one
2020-03-22T23:46:09 < karlp> vs something hammond or similar
2020-03-22T23:46:18 < karlp> https://www.tme.eu/is/en/details/abs-35/enclosures-with-panel/maszczyk/km-35-gy/
2020-03-22T23:46:51 < qyx> it looks like a standard one
2020-03-22T23:47:00 < qyx> isn't it compatible with some hammonds?
2020-03-22T23:47:09 < jadew> you can probably find that enclosure on aliexpress too if you try
2020-03-22T23:47:39 < jadew> and they're coated with biofilm too
2020-03-22T23:48:45 < karlp> yeah, just looking for same now, and not really finding it.
2020-03-22T23:50:28 < jadew> not the same size, but proof that they're available: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32941730896.html
2020-03-22T23:51:05 < karlp> I knwo I can get similar, that' sjust it though
2020-03-22T23:51:07 < karlp> they're nto all the same.
2020-03-22T23:51:17 < karlp> wow, shitty typing today. sorrry
2020-03-22T23:52:11 < jadew> if you need higher quantity, you can track down one of the manufactures in china and they'll probably have a wider selection
2020-03-22T23:52:32 < englishman> Laurenceb: your uncle harvey weinstein has the corovizzle
2020-03-22T23:52:58 < jadew> oh, just saw the price on TME
2020-03-22T23:52:58 < Laurenceb> probably
2020-03-22T23:53:06 < jadew> that's a great price, screw china
2020-03-22T23:54:42  * qyx  googling for anyone using libopencm3 SDIO
2020-03-22T23:55:30 < karlp> I only rremember people asking abotu it, never reporting back sorry
2020-03-22T23:55:50 < karlp> jadew: yeah, that's why I picked it. great price, perfect size,
2020-03-22T23:56:54 < Laurenceb> ooh nice https://www.mppsolar.com/v3/pip-gk-series/
2020-03-22T23:57:05 < Laurenceb> just what I need for solar blimp prototype
2020-03-22T23:57:19 < Laurenceb> even has a G.U.I. that runs on lunix
2020-03-22T23:57:27 < Laurenceb> and a bluetooth
2020-03-22T23:57:49 < qyx> and you need 500V for it?
2020-03-22T23:57:59 < Laurenceb> yeah
2020-03-22T23:58:13 < Laurenceb> to get enough power out of a blimp while using bell wire cable
2020-03-22T23:58:43 < Laurenceb> its still very inefficient for ~250m of line, but good enough for a demo
2020-03-22T23:58:52 < Laurenceb> it could boil a kettle every few minutes
2020-03-22T23:59:04 < bitmask> alright, metal works fine, back to trying graphite
2020-03-22T23:59:05 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/QjYNNcC.png
2020-03-22T23:59:14 < Laurenceb> the rs485 modbus network is interesting
2020-03-22T23:59:57 < Laurenceb> hmm you could run the stock gui on a rpi and it can forward data over ip
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2020-03-23T00:00:06 < Laurenceb> pretty neat device tbh
2020-03-23T00:01:40 < Laurenceb> could have a whole solar farm controlled by a single rpi with a network of those connected via rs485, and the rpi forwarding data via ip
2020-03-23T00:04:47 < englishman> why only 500v then
2020-03-23T00:05:29 < englishman> what is the point of a solar panel only 250m high? what would be the difference vs ground level
2020-03-23T00:05:36 < Laurenceb> >what is a prototype
2020-03-23T00:05:50 < englishman> a prototype has a purpose
2020-03-23T00:05:58 < Laurenceb> fair point...
2020-03-23T00:06:27 < Laurenceb> I dont have megabux to build a 100kv, 20km high system...
2020-03-23T00:06:44 < englishman> oh so your plan is to eventually stick it up above wx
2020-03-23T00:06:59 < Laurenceb> a ~1k$ system that boils a kettle would look neat
2020-03-23T00:07:00 < Laurenceb> yeah
2020-03-23T00:07:02 < englishman> but you need a flying solar pink floyd pig to sell it
2020-03-23T00:07:06 < Laurenceb> yup
2020-03-23T00:07:17 < englishman> i get it now
2020-03-23T00:07:22 < englishman> did you buy the german patent
2020-03-23T00:07:41 < Laurenceb> it expired a few days ago :-D
2020-03-23T00:07:45 < englishman> haha
2020-03-23T00:09:41 < englishman> cant you just glue together a bunch of tiny photodiodes to get 100kv
2020-03-23T00:09:48 < Laurenceb> lmao
2020-03-23T00:10:11 < Laurenceb> yeah I was planning on 125mm or 150mm square china cells
2020-03-23T00:10:18 < Laurenceb> maybe there is an alternative
2020-03-23T00:11:34 < Laurenceb> heh this china inverter gui is actually well thought out, and runs on lunix with no issues
2020-03-23T00:11:50 < Laurenceb> >cheap china shit has better software than any kickstarter crap
2020-03-23T00:12:49 < Steffanx> did it come with some keygen on a mini-disc?
2020-03-23T00:12:57 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-23T00:13:12 < Laurenceb> mini-disc was actually a good format
2020-03-23T00:16:46 < Laurenceb> I found a video of the stratosolar system irl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw
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2020-03-23T00:17:50 < Laurenceb> http://www.stratosolar.com/uploads/5/6/7/1/5671050/published/slide10.png?1543079201
2020-03-23T00:18:04 < Laurenceb> video shows what it would actually look like
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2020-03-23T00:26:41 < qyx> jlcpcb is going fullspeed, I ordered yesterday and now the boards are nearly finished, 85%
2020-03-23T00:28:12 < jadew> qyx, they'll probably look like shit
2020-03-23T00:28:39 < jadew> but that's normal
2020-03-23T00:31:49 < qyx> hm, my last 3 orders were adequate for prototypes
2020-03-23T00:32:16 < jadew> yeah, they're ok for prototypes
2020-03-23T00:33:00 < Steffanx> You're ok for a prototype 
2020-03-23T00:33:27 < jadew> prototypes are the best
2020-03-23T00:33:45 < qyx> when the whole series is 3 boards
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2020-03-23T00:34:47 < kakigate> cheap stm32 boards with ethernet?
2020-03-23T00:35:20 < kakigate> or  >= cortex-m3
2020-03-23T00:36:04 < qyx> F7 nucleo?
2020-03-23T00:41:33 < Steffanx> Yeah grab a nucleo
2020-03-23T00:41:50 < Steffanx> Some -144 have the ethernets
2020-03-23T00:42:33 < Steffanx> Or are you even cheaper than that, kakigate 
2020-03-23T00:43:06 < kakigate> I'm not
2020-03-23T00:43:15 < kakigate> price is definitelly reasonable
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2020-03-23T01:00:59 < Cracki> those nucleo-144 do not have ethernet, rest does >NUCLEO-F303ZE, NUCLEO-F412ZG, NUCLEO-F413ZH, NUCLEO-F446ZE and NUCLEO-F722ZE
2020-03-23T01:02:54 < Cracki> there are f2 in that line. didn't expect them to put f2 on the successor of disco
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2020-03-23T01:21:06 < karlp> hrm, I've completely misread that enclosure pdf in the first place
2020-03-23T01:21:14  * karlp is dum, again.
2020-03-23T01:21:27 < karlp> single screw rright in the middle of everything.
2020-03-23T01:22:04 < qyx> :D
2020-03-23T01:22:22  * karlp sighs
2020-03-23T01:22:34  * karlp decides to go and finalise some cheap 5mm terminals instead.
2020-03-23T01:22:40 < jadew> you can't accommodate it?
2020-03-23T01:23:36 < jadew> you'll probably just need a 5 mm hole or something like that
2020-03-23T01:23:52 < jadew> and it will have some plastic punching through
2020-03-23T01:25:21 < qyx>  * pkg_hash_add_from_file: Failed to open /var/opkg-lists/openwrt_routing: Out of memory.
2020-03-23T01:25:24 < qyx> uhm
2020-03-23T01:31:14 < karlp> jadew: new hold in the center wouldn't b e great :) https://bin.jvnv.net/file/sxOqK.png
2020-03-23T01:31:30 < karlp> qyx: using opkg on the device should be last resort, normally just build your images with what you need.
2020-03-23T01:32:23  * qyx installing python3 using opkg
2020-03-23T01:33:17 < qyx> 6.5M of jffs2 wasted
2020-03-23T01:33:38  * karlp laughs
2020-03-23T01:33:47 < karlp> python's not going to thrill you performance wise.
2020-03-23T01:34:00 < karlp> onion2 is bigger than my devices, but it's .... still a memory pig.
2020-03-23T01:35:22 < qyx> I want to make the mcp25625 working first using py+libupm
2020-03-23T01:35:59 < qyx> at least I was hoping it would be easier than enabling the kernel driver
2020-03-23T01:38:03 < karlp> libupm is new name for mraa is new name for iotivity? or what?
2020-03-23T01:38:41 < qyx> idk I know none of them
2020-03-23T01:41:04 < karlp> hrm, mayb eI should pluggable terminal blocks, not screw terminals
2020-03-23T01:41:17  * karlp wonders if that actually helps anything.
2020-03-23T01:44:28 < qyx> yes, if you expect the hub to fail constantly
2020-03-23T01:45:18 < qyx> ok screw that
2020-03-23T01:45:27 < qyx> I am going to play with devicetree instead
2020-03-23T01:48:09 < karlp> what's wrong with pluggable terminal blocks?
2020-03-23T01:48:37 < karlp> means I don't need to have screw terminal exposed shit
2020-03-23T01:49:33 < qyx> nothing, i use them exclusively
2020-03-23T01:49:42 < qyx> I am avoiding screw terminals if possible
2020-03-23T01:50:03 < kakigate> BrainDamage: status report
2020-03-23T01:50:50 < karlp> right.
2020-03-23T01:50:59 < karlp> yeah,
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2020-03-23T02:08:50 < qyx> so i still didn't decide what form of commercial-grade flash to use
2020-03-23T02:09:19 < qyx> still tempted to do https://the-gadgeteer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/brando-microsd-raid.jpg
2020-03-23T02:19:27 < jly> hmmm
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2020-03-23T02:55:20 < karlp> hrm, need some more parts from lcsc. haven't hit the $15 threshold yet...
2020-03-23T03:06:19 < qyx> the onion guys talk only about spidev as a mean to use the spi
2020-03-23T03:07:58 < qyx> I cannot even find the error message in the kernel sources
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2020-03-23T03:20:29 < karlp> ok, all the parts ordered except the hub, finally got that trigger pulled at least.
2020-03-23T03:21:06 < karlp> ~$15 parts for 5 hubs.
2020-03-23T03:23:12 < qyx> and then the hubs themselves another $15?
2020-03-23T03:23:17 < karlp> pretty much
2020-03-23T03:30:55 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/randpaul/status/1241780756617273345?s=21
2020-03-23T03:59:20 < jly> hi Laurenceb 
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2020-03-23T05:11:50 < R2COM> jly yo
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2020-03-23T07:39:20 < dongs> its been so long since i fucked with any of this, is MPU6000 a drop-in replacement for MPU6050 in I2C mode?
2020-03-23T07:39:26 < dongs> diagram in datasheet seems to suggest so
2020-03-23T07:39:34 < dongs> I just keep CS high ojn MPU6000 and talk to it with i2c
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2020-03-23T08:03:57 < zyp> IIRC it was something like that, yes
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2020-03-23T08:16:57 < jly> R2COM: 
2020-03-23T08:17:00 < jly> how are they;
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2020-03-23T09:43:31 < R2COM> jly terrific
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2020-03-23T09:58:01 < R2COM> i have lots of shit to do tomorrow
2020-03-23T09:58:04 < R2COM> sleeping time
2020-03-23T09:58:10 < R2COM> too much Escape From Tarkov today...
2020-03-23T10:02:26 < zyp> ok
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2020-03-23T10:10:23 < Steffanx> ohno a game from  RUSSIAN game studio.
2020-03-23T10:12:19 < R2COM> mmmyea
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2020-03-23T11:05:30 < karlp> blah, 180KB/sec from github.
2020-03-23T11:07:35 < jpa-> ISP's have received orders to prioritize netflix and youtube, to stop people from rioting on the streets
2020-03-23T11:07:43 < mawk> lol
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2020-03-23T11:08:26 < jpa-> karlp: some places have said that iceland aims to test their whole population for corona, is that actually happening?
2020-03-23T11:11:43 < karlp> that's a pretty gross overstatement :)
2020-03-23T11:11:58 < karlp> we've done like 3% of the population, which is way more than anyone else, but we've actually run out of pins
2020-03-23T11:12:16 < karlp> so testing is now more targetted, not just "come get your tests!"
2020-03-23T11:12:46 < karlp> there's a few people who love kari/decode so much that they believe if he can test enough and suck enough data into his company that he'll save the world,
2020-03-23T11:13:39 < karlp> I expect we'll continue heavily testing if we can get more pins again, yesterdays update was that we'd only be getting another 2k today I think, not the 5k ordered, and next dates were unsure.
2020-03-23T11:14:04 < karlp> wouldn't have thoughjt iceland would have been big enough to get in the way of orders from big countries, but *shrugs*
2020-03-23T11:14:38 < karlp> https://www.covid.is/data is in english
2020-03-23T11:15:39 < jpa-> pins?
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2020-03-23T11:21:37 < karlp> test swab pins
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2020-03-23T11:21:49 < jpa-> ah
2020-03-23T11:22:06 < jpa-> funny how basic things can be a roadblocker
2020-03-23T11:22:08 < karlp> you can see on the charts that the orange chunks of testing by decode just stopped again.
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2020-03-23T11:22:26 < karlp> it was probably decode overstating their abilities, but yeah.
2020-03-23T11:22:36 < karlp> their boss is "a character"
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2020-03-23T11:22:56 < karlp> his staff probably had no chance to possibly order them to prepare for him making prromises
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2020-03-23T11:23:28 < jpa-> on the other hand there has now been research that dozens of samples can be combined in one for pooled testing, so from 3% to 100% might not be that far away
2020-03-23T11:23:54 < karlp> not surre I follow.
2020-03-23T11:24:39 < jpa-> take swabs from 50 people, combine samples, run with other tests, get result whether any of them has the virus - if something is found, test each individually
2020-03-23T11:25:06 < karlp> the individual samples are still useful, or do you need to reswab those 50?
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2020-03-23T11:25:29 < jpa-> if i understood correctly the same samples can be retested if stored properly
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2020-03-23T11:25:42 < karlp> fair enough
2020-03-23T11:25:55 < karlp> stands to reason that processes would be heavily improved through usage like  this.
2020-03-23T11:26:11 < jpa-> https://www.newswise.com/articles/pooling-method-for-accelerated-testing-of-covid-19
2020-03-23T11:28:46 < jpa-> i guess sensitivity is the limit, but if it was possible to combine e.g. 1024 samples, it would be fun to combine them in 10 different combinations and get out the binary number of the patient with virus
2020-03-23T11:32:05 < PaulFertser> If there's only one
2020-03-23T11:32:45 < jpa-> yeah
2020-03-23T11:33:28 < jpa-> i guess bloom filters could work better
2020-03-23T11:33:45 < Steffanx> Just combine them. If there is a hit, quarantine them all.
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2020-03-23T11:52:19 < mawk> insurance company is trying to rip me off
2020-03-23T11:52:26 < mawk> they want me to pay premium since I registered my BSN
2020-03-23T11:52:41 < mawk> but first I had my french insurance back then, so that would mean paying two insurances at the same time
2020-03-23T11:52:50 < mawk> and also the law says I have to have an insurance 4 months after BSN registration
2020-03-23T11:53:20 < mawk> save me Steffanx 
2020-03-23T11:54:02 < Steffanx> How much is "premium"?
2020-03-23T11:54:11 < mawk> 120€
2020-03-23T11:54:15 < mawk> per month
2020-03-23T11:54:29 < mawk> so that would mean 580€ upfront
2020-03-23T11:54:41 < mawk> which I don't have lol
2020-03-23T11:55:05 < Steffanx> 480? 
2020-03-23T11:55:12 < Steffanx> Anyway, why up front?
2020-03-23T11:55:15 < mawk> 600€ sorry
2020-03-23T11:55:25 < mawk> well I have to pay the insurance since my BSN was registered 5 months ago
2020-03-23T11:55:28 < mawk> that's what they say
2020-03-23T11:55:31 < mawk> so I must pay 5 months at once
2020-03-23T11:55:57 < Steffanx> but if you can proof you had your french insurance at that time.. then its easy right?
2020-03-23T11:56:03 < mawk> maybe
2020-03-23T11:56:12 < mawk> but you shouldn't overestimate administrative people
2020-03-23T11:56:43 < mawk> also my french insurance runs until 25 december 2019, then I have none
2020-03-23T11:56:50 < mawk> they will probably make me pay from january
2020-03-23T11:56:58 < Steffanx> and febr. and march.
2020-03-23T11:56:59 < mawk> but that's still not correct, the law says 4 months after arrival in the country
2020-03-23T11:57:06 < mawk> yes I said from
2020-03-23T11:57:11 < Steffanx> oh :P
2020-03-23T11:57:17 < Steffanx> i read for. lol
2020-03-23T11:57:21 < mawk> :(
2020-03-23T11:57:54 < Steffanx> https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/zorgverzekering/vraag-en-antwoord/wat-gebeurt-er-als-ik-niet-verzekerd-ben-voor-de-zorgverzekering
2020-03-23T11:58:38 < Steffanx> oh
2020-03-23T11:58:39 < Steffanx> hm
2020-03-23T11:59:06 < Steffanx> that's perhaps another situation. Who's the insurance company mawk?
2020-03-23T11:59:26 < mawk> zorgdirect
2020-03-23T11:59:31 < PaulFertser> But will they pay for your medical expenses you were spending cash on during these month?
2020-03-23T12:00:12 < mawk> wow what's that conscience objector thing
2020-03-23T12:00:14 < mawk> I want that
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2020-03-23T12:00:23 < mawk> probably not PaulFertser 
2020-03-23T12:00:32 < mawk> https://www.hetcak.nl/regelingen/gemoedsbezwaarden
2020-03-23T12:00:38 < mawk> why didn't you tell me about that Steffanx 
2020-03-23T12:01:25 < PaulFertser> mawk: that makes no sense then, why would they charge you for insurance for the period of not providing it...
2020-03-23T12:01:30 < Steffanx> Because i gladly pay the money for the insurance mawk
2020-03-23T12:02:21 < Steffanx> PaulFertser some still cover the costs you made over those 4 months.
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2020-03-23T12:03:05 < mawk> if they ask incredible amount of documents I already threw away, probably
2020-03-23T12:03:14 < Steffanx> Anyway, see my private message mawk.
2020-03-23T12:05:18 < jadew> you know how myocarditis was mentioned a lot in the context of ncov?
2020-03-23T12:05:38 < jadew> turns out it's mentioned as a side effect for one of the drugs they're using to treat it
2020-03-23T12:06:32 < jadew> both of them have really shitty side effects, spanning from skin discoloration, to blindness, going deaf, neural damage, and more
2020-03-23T12:06:45 < jadew> *both of the ones used here
2020-03-23T12:07:06 < mawk> which ones ?
2020-03-23T12:07:37 < jadew> chloroquine and kalethra (if I spelled them right)
2020-03-23T12:08:37 < jadew> and they're treating everyone who has symptoms and tests positive atm, not just people in the risk category
2020-03-23T12:12:04 < jadew> I didn't check, but there should be a table of side effects with the percentage of patients that develop them
2020-03-23T12:12:43 < jadew> would be interesting to see if there's a correlation between that and the ncov related cases
2020-03-23T12:15:45 < Lux> iirc they are using hydroxychloroquine
2020-03-23T12:16:03 < jadew> yeah, that
2020-03-23T12:16:11 < Lux> that one has a bit better side effects than chloroquine
2020-03-23T12:16:26 < jadew> no, those are the side effects for that one
2020-03-23T12:16:32 < Lux> but tbh there aren't really any studies yet to prove how well it works
2020-03-23T12:16:38 < jadew> my wife also corrected me about the name when she read from her book about drugs
2020-03-23T12:17:31 < Lux> so probably a few more months until it's well understood and the studies running are finished
2020-03-23T12:17:53 < Lux> up to now there are sample sizes <100 done with it from what i've read
2020-03-23T12:38:52 < doomba> according to physicians the hyprdoxychloroquine + azithromycin combo is working
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2020-03-23T12:39:38 < doomba> our democratic party and the MSM they control are spreading FUD about the drug combo - saying it can cause fatal cardiac arrythmias
2020-03-23T12:40:12 < Steffanx> https://images.gscdn.nl/image/7635c0eaf1_763.jpg?w=600&s=026c76390965972aca1c2a4ad120fbbf :(
2020-03-23T12:40:16 < mawk> I'd like to sign up as a conscientious objector
2020-03-23T12:40:23 < doomba> and the physicians are saying that the risk outweighs the results - plus the condition for arrythmias can be monitored for.
2020-03-23T12:40:30 < mawk> paying private company for mandatory healthcars is 100% something I'd like to not do
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2020-03-23T12:40:42 < Steffanx> I wont cry when you get in an accident and have no insurance mawk
2020-03-23T12:40:46 < mawk> lol
2020-03-23T12:41:02 < mawk> I don't get into accidents
2020-03-23T12:41:12 < boddax> ride only tricycle mawk
2020-03-23T12:41:18 < doomba> giving people lifesaving drugs that "could" kill them via cardiac arrest is better than letting them slow-die imo
2020-03-23T12:41:43 < doomba> the only other downside is who NEEDS those drugs in normal times without covid-19?
2020-03-23T12:41:55 < mawk> poor island ppl
2020-03-23T12:42:01 < doomba> lol yea who knows
2020-03-23T12:42:17 < doomba> all i know is as of today i'm tuned out of all media
2020-03-23T12:42:36 < mawk> also you also pay taxes that serve as healthcare Steffanx 
2020-03-23T12:42:43 < mawk> then you can ask for refund of your health expenses
2020-03-23T12:42:44 < Steffanx> Yes
2020-03-23T12:42:47 < mawk> so it's ok
2020-03-23T12:42:53 < mawk> and at least you pay to a state agency
2020-03-23T12:42:58 < mawk> not a greedy private company
2020-03-23T12:43:05 < Steffanx> Yeah that's fucked up indeed
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2020-03-23T12:43:19 < doomba> in murica we pay taxes to state agencies too... that are actually private companies sanctioned by the government.
2020-03-23T12:43:22 < Steffanx> Especially when you see what kind of profits those companies make. Even in "bad"  times.
2020-03-23T12:43:47 < doomba> that's why obamacare failed
2020-03-23T12:44:39 < doomba> it was a government-run market place comprised of the private sector healthcare conglomerates and insurance companies
2020-03-23T12:45:16 < doomba> with mandatory payment to them
2020-03-23T12:45:40 < doomba> and punishment if you didn't "go to the market place and pick one of our corporate buddies to pay"
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2020-03-23T12:48:06 < jadew> doomba, the problem is that they are giving those drugs to people in the low risk category
2020-03-23T12:48:27 < jadew> not necessarily because it's good for them, but because it's good for everyone else, statistically speaking
2020-03-23T12:48:54 < doomba> i think there's a few reasons why that is happening
2020-03-23T12:48:56 < jadew> governments and health care systems do not operate in the interest of the individual anymore
2020-03-23T12:49:03 < jadew> but in the interest of everyone
2020-03-23T12:49:07 < jadew> which is slightly different
2020-03-23T12:49:38 < doomba> it's in the interest of everyone that they give the drugs to low risk category people
2020-03-23T12:49:45 < jadew> overall, it might outweigh the risks, but maybe not in your case
2020-03-23T12:49:50 < doomba> because it's a drug trial
2020-03-23T12:50:10 < doomba> if they can prove that the drugs work, it's a huge win for the GOP
2020-03-23T12:50:27 < jadew> yeah... my point is that without knowing the numbers it's difficult to tell if it's better for you to take your chances with corona or with the drug
2020-03-23T12:50:37 < jadew> and you can't trust the establishment to tell you what's good for you either
2020-03-23T12:50:45 < doomba> they can't get those numbers unless they give the drug to tons of people
2020-03-23T12:50:55 < jadew> exactly
2020-03-23T12:51:36 < doomba> which makes pharma really happy and makes the trump admin really happy if the drugs work - as the unhinged silicon valley cult leftist media has already put their foot in mouth on it
2020-03-23T12:51:53 < doomba> saying that the drug combo is dangerous and people should suffer with covid instead
2020-03-23T12:52:04 < jadew> oh, someone else said that?
2020-03-23T12:52:20 < jadew> I thought that was an individual discovery of mine and my wife's
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2020-03-23T12:53:18 < doomba> no. our MSM in the USA is using the "possible cardiac arrythmia side-effect" as the avenue to attack trump on fast-tracking the drug combo for use in the USA
2020-03-23T12:56:02 < doomba> people are dying of covid and the MSM and democratic party have done absolutely nothing except whine and bitch and complain - while continuing to attack trump administration and sowing division
2020-03-23T12:56:45 < jadew> it sucks that everything is still infused with politics
2020-03-23T12:56:53 < jadew> but don't dismiss those concerns because of that
2020-03-23T12:56:54 < doomba> people were already fed up with the MSM and mostly tuned out of it but then when they saw the MSM was STILL on "orange man bad" during covid - and people are dying - it started putting militias on edge
2020-03-23T12:56:56 < doomba> like
2020-03-23T12:57:01 < doomba> people might die of covid
2020-03-23T12:57:15 < doomba> but after this is all said and done, there's gonna be others getting assassinated and shit
2020-03-23T12:57:19 < doomba> because the people are PISSED
2020-03-23T12:57:26 < jadew> well, he did play it down, since it started
2020-03-23T12:57:31 < jadew> up until it was too bad
2020-03-23T12:57:55 < Lux> https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/a-made-in-canada-solution-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak/
2020-03-23T12:58:11 < Lux> that also seems interesting regarding new medications
2020-03-23T12:58:42 < Lux> at least quercetin is something you can take with little to no side effects
2020-03-23T13:00:36 < Lux> also here in austria we've got 3723 cases of which 3612 are mild cases
2020-03-23T13:01:02 < Lux> so at least here most of the cases as of now don't need any treatment
2020-03-23T13:02:02 < englishman> that still biases towards those sick enough to get tested too
2020-03-23T13:02:49 < englishman> cool lux, so all those kale smoothies will actually end up saving my life
2020-03-23T13:03:13 < Lux> might be :)
2020-03-23T13:03:59 < jadew> "if it works, it could save thousands of lives" - such an understatement
2020-03-23T13:04:13 < Lux> there are a few studies showing it can help with respiratory diseases
2020-03-23T13:04:42 < Steffanx> Ohno are you reaaally a smoothie hipster too now englishman?
2020-03-23T13:04:45 < jadew> speaking of that, are you guys taking vitamin D?
2020-03-23T13:04:54 < englishman> smoothies are great Steffanx
2020-03-23T13:07:47 < Steffanx> ok
2020-03-23T13:08:01 < tcth> lunch break.
2020-03-23T13:08:42 < Steffanx> no, thats is 25 minutes from now sir
2020-03-23T13:09:12 < Steffanx> Gotta stick to the schedule
2020-03-23T13:13:46 < tomeaton17> whats for lunch
2020-03-23T13:13:53 < tcth> tiny trees
2020-03-23T13:14:14 < Steffanx> broccoli for lunch?
2020-03-23T13:14:34 < Steffanx> better make it a broccoli smoohie
2020-03-23T13:14:58 < Steffanx> Did you make some boerenkool yet tcth?
2020-03-23T13:15:19 < tcth> nope. but lots of that kayle-mashed-potato stuff
2020-03-23T13:16:00 < Steffanx> lol that is boerenkool.
2020-03-23T13:16:31 < tomeaton17> cauliflower mashed potato is pleasant
2020-03-23T13:17:26 < Steffanx> i never had that
2020-03-23T13:20:16 < tomeaton17> well it actually doesnt contain potato it is a substitue for that. my friend who did the keto diet had it all the time
2020-03-23T13:26:48 < mawk> they say I risk a fine Steffanx lol
2020-03-23T13:26:53 < mawk> they're trying to scare me
2020-03-23T13:27:08 < mawk> the fine is only if you don't subscribe 3 months after receiving a letter from the government
2020-03-23T13:27:19 < Steffanx> did you receive such letter?
2020-03-23T13:28:17 < dongs> dear lunix faggots
2020-03-23T13:28:20 < Steffanx> where?
2020-03-23T13:28:31 < dongs> how do you make lunix automatically dial LTE modem wehn its plugged in
2020-03-23T13:28:36 < dongs> holy shit, there's like zero info on this
2020-03-23T13:28:45 < dongs> i undertand that I can open some terminal and type in a mile-long command line
2020-03-23T13:28:50 < dongs> but I want to plug shit in, and have it work
2020-03-23T13:28:53 < dongs> is this doable
2020-03-23T13:29:33 < mawk> no Steffanx 
2020-03-23T13:29:40 < mawk> yes dongs 
2020-03-23T13:29:43 < mawk> use modemmanager
2020-03-23T13:29:45 < mawk> or whatever
2020-03-23T13:29:49 < mawk> just systemctl enable it
2020-03-23T13:30:16 < dongs> network-manager?
2020-03-23T13:30:37 < mawk> modem-manager
2020-03-23T13:31:01 < dongs> is that.. GUI
2020-03-23T13:31:07 < mawk> no
2020-03-23T13:31:39 < mawk> but maybe the network manager GUI can configure it
2020-03-23T13:31:49 < dongs> it cant be fucking gui who the fuck uses GUI on lunix
2020-03-23T13:31:54 < dongs> it doesnt even support graphics cards
2020-03-23T13:32:23 < tomeaton17> debatable
2020-03-23T13:32:53 < mawk> NM is CLI, MM is cli
2020-03-23T13:32:57 < mawk> you have some guis around them
2020-03-23T13:32:59 < jpa-> vga text mode counts as support
2020-03-23T13:33:10 < jpa-> you can even get a penguin logo in the corner during boot
2020-03-23T13:34:07 < tomeaton17> I use arch btw
2020-03-23T13:41:49 < tcth> I had boerenkool a lot then
2020-03-23T13:41:52 < tcth> also know how to make it myself
2020-03-23T13:53:02 < qyx> dongs: modemmanager?
2020-03-23T13:54:20 < qyx> also if you your modem is modeswitched to rndis, network manager should dhcp it automagically
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2020-03-23T14:08:49 < karlp> Lux: you exported all your serious cases ;)
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2020-03-23T14:13:28 < BrainDamage> doomba: re: chloroquinone, http://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-593/ skip to 17 min
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2020-03-23T14:34:41 < tcth> fucking hell I need more single core performance. These linking times are driving me nuts.
2020-03-23T14:35:34 < Cracki> ms compiler has "incremental linking". sounds like that would help. maybe yours does too.
2020-03-23T14:35:47 < tcth> nah, this is GCC aids
2020-03-23T14:35:49 < tcth> GCC 9.2
2020-03-23T14:36:09 < jpa-> have you tried gold linker instead of gcc's legacy linker?
2020-03-23T14:36:28 < tcth> nope, let me look that up
2020-03-23T14:36:30 < Cracki> https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/GoldIncrementalLinking
2020-03-23T14:36:31 < jpa-> it's atleast supposed to be faster
2020-03-23T14:37:07 < qyx> have you tried llvm?!
2020-03-23T14:38:53 < karlp> have you tried not using c++? :)
2020-03-23T14:39:22 < tcth> is this where ada will be mentioned very shortly?
2020-03-23T14:39:56 < jpa-> in ada link time doesn't matter, you'll only have to compile once because your code will work the first time
2020-03-23T14:40:23 < Cracki> try forth. no "linking". it just runs.
2020-03-23T14:41:17 < specing> well put jpa-  :P
2020-03-23T14:41:47 < karlp> are there patterrns in c++ that make link times so garrbage? it's always c++ people who complain about epic builds.
2020-03-23T14:41:57 < karlp> I'm not entirrely convinced that it's just "all big projects are c++"
2020-03-23T14:42:06 < tcth> karlp, everything related to templates & metaprogramming.
2020-03-23T14:42:13 < specing> C++ is a highly ambiguous langauge and also templates are messy
2020-03-23T14:42:25 < tcth> I deal with a large codebase here
2020-03-23T14:42:29 < specing> Ada compile times also go up with more generics
2020-03-23T14:42:29 < tcth> (not very large, just large)
2020-03-23T14:42:54 < BrainDamage> templates end up re-creating primitives in every object file
2020-03-23T14:43:11 < BrainDamage> so your objects become large and the linker is slow
2020-03-23T14:43:51 < tcth> overclocked i7-8086k running at 5.2 GHz (12T/6C) with overclocked DDR4 memory takes around 45 minutes to build the thing I am working on.
2020-03-23T14:44:06 < specing> wow
2020-03-23T14:44:21 < specing> tcth: did you use boost::spirit or what?
2020-03-23T14:44:25 < tcth> hahaha
2020-03-23T14:44:30 < tcth> no, but there´s a fair share of boost in this
2020-03-23T14:45:02 < Cracki> build from scratch yes? and how long does linking take?
2020-03-23T14:45:14 < tcth> unfortunately some of the ´modules´ can not be exported into shared libraries which would drastically reduce linking time of the final executable as there are tons of template classes in there (yes, template classes, not class templates)
2020-03-23T14:45:49 < tcth> Cracki, by feeling I would say that linking takes around 20 minutes
2020-03-23T14:45:51 < jpa-> tcth: uh, how many millions of lines of code that is?
2020-03-23T14:45:57 < Cracki> wew
2020-03-23T14:46:16 < tcth> jpa-, I stopped counting. but it´s a project I have been working on intensively for four years and almost full-time the past 12 months
2020-03-23T14:46:17 < Cracki> 40 lines of exponential blowup
2020-03-23T14:47:36 < tcth> I don´t care about the compilation time (not linking) as I can just throw more money at the problem. I have 64 unused CPU cores in our cluster ready to go, but linking time man...
2020-03-23T14:48:33 < BrainDamage> first I guess determine if you're cpu bound or io bound
2020-03-23T14:48:42 < tcth> I´m CPU bound
2020-03-23T14:48:44 < tcth> 100% sure.
2020-03-23T14:48:52 < Cracki> can this be reduced with tests, which link small parts together? you'd have partial answers
2020-03-23T14:48:54 < tcth> did my fair share of investigations the past few weeks on this
2020-03-23T14:49:27 < tcth> Cracki, yeah, I already do that. But the biggest chunk of code relies on a lot of publicly exported/available template classes which cannot be exported into a shared library (afaik)
2020-03-23T14:49:49 < Cracki> smashed into smaller pieces maybe?
2020-03-23T14:50:13 < Cracki> any "hotspots" in the code that make linking explode particularly
2020-03-23T14:50:24 < tcth> eg this: https://pastebin.com/XN9ddqhN
2020-03-23T14:50:29 < BrainDamage> lld does support multithreaded linking fwiw
2020-03-23T14:50:36 < BrainDamage> so if compiling is always a pain, it might be worth to see if clang works on it
2020-03-23T14:50:38 < tcth> I cannot export `clamp` into a shared library
2020-03-23T14:51:00 < tcth> BrainDamage, I also have clang builds working on this. needs to be cross platform & cross compiler in the end anyway.
2020-03-23T14:51:24 < tcth> note that the clamp class example uses CRTP
2020-03-23T14:51:34 < BrainDamage> but you can run fast tests with the llvm linker
2020-03-23T14:51:42 < tcth> if I would be able to export classes like clamp into a shared library all my worries would be gone
2020-03-23T14:51:58 < tcth> BrainDamage, maybe I should look into that. I never really did much work with clang/llvm. 
2020-03-23T14:52:07 < tcth> other than just checking whether it compiles on a CI
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2020-03-23T15:19:51  * karlp wonders how much development time is saved with templates and meta programming vs time lost watching c++ compilers struggle
2020-03-23T15:21:40 < tcth> I take it you´re not a C++ person? 
2020-03-23T15:22:12 < karlp> no, so I know I'm also just teasing
2020-03-23T15:22:40 < karlp> but sometimes it does seem like wanking and "I did it this way because I'm using c++ so I could, regardless of whether it was a good idea or not"
2020-03-23T15:22:42 < Lux> karlp: yeah.. I know... major fuckup in politics
2020-03-23T15:23:05 < Lux> i hope at least the health ministry guys in tirol have to pay for it
2020-03-23T15:23:06 < karlp> Lux: isn't tyrol still saying they did nothign wrong? :)
2020-03-23T15:23:28 < tcth> karlp, I think that applies to all programming languages as it´s a developer´s personal character than language thing. Except for with ada, maybe.
2020-03-23T15:23:36 < Lux> karlp: yeah kinda, more like we are allready doing all we can so shut up
2020-03-23T15:23:46 < Lux> we can discuss this after the crisis is over
2020-03-23T15:23:57 < tcth> karlp, but I get your point. I can assure you that I am not doing anything just for fanciness. I am too much of a business person for that.
2020-03-23T15:24:01 < karlp> yeah, I didnt see a lot of need to get into it now :)
2020-03-23T15:24:01 < Lux> but in tirol we now have like 1000 cases for 500k people
2020-03-23T15:24:29 < Lux> and pretty much the same situation quarantine wise as in italy
2020-03-23T15:24:32 < tcth> Lux, you´re situated in italy?
2020-03-23T15:24:37 < karlp> lux is .at
2020-03-23T15:24:39 < tcth> aah
2020-03-23T15:24:42 < Lux> no tirol ;)
2020-03-23T15:24:44 < tcth> just figured it by the last post :p
2020-03-23T15:25:17 < Lux> interestingly the official cases are lower as they only count residents
2020-03-23T15:25:35 < tcth> lol
2020-03-23T15:25:37 < Lux> so all the people from abroad don't count to the official figures
2020-03-23T15:25:48 < tcth> typical .at move? :p
2020-03-23T15:25:59 < Lux> so official is 800 inofficial is 1k
2020-03-23T15:26:11 < Lux> no that's by who standards apparently
2020-03-23T15:26:34 < tcth> I think we´re at 7k5 noow
2020-03-23T15:27:20 < tcth> make that 8k5
2020-03-23T15:27:22 < tcth> jesus
2020-03-23T15:27:31 < tcth> how is BrainDamage holding up?
2020-03-23T15:27:34 < Lux> the crazy thing here is, before they put ischgl into quarantine lots of tourists fled the area and booked hotels in innsbruck etc before flying back the next day
2020-03-23T15:27:48 < Lux> so that's probably also a reason why it's so bad here
2020-03-23T15:28:50 < Lux> tcth: yeah exponential growth
2020-03-23T15:30:08 < tcth> Lux, my business partner learned about exponential growth at some point - now it´s the only thing I hear every fucking day as if it´s right up with the holy grail.
2020-03-23T15:30:46 < BrainDamage> tcth: bored and lonely mostly
2020-03-23T15:31:12 < specing> karlp wonders how much development time is saved with templates and meta programming <- probably a lot, if your program needs any kind of advanced containers
2020-03-23T15:32:42 < karlp> I'm sure it can, I'v ejust seen an awful lot of "we made it all generric and extensible" and it's had ~two instances, ever over project life, but _everything_ is templated and replaceable and factoried and enterprised...
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2020-03-23T15:51:26 < BrainDamage> https://www.corriere.it/international/19_febbraio_18/italy-forced-to-take-back-is-foreign-fighters-861e7f76-339c-11e9-8ba2-1cae66b0283a.shtml
2020-03-23T15:51:36 < BrainDamage> apparently even our terrorists are incompetent
2020-03-23T15:52:25 < specing> you still haven't done anything about WW2 terrorists, so I don't think anything will be done about IS ones
2020-03-23T15:52:58 < BrainDamage> ... WW2 terrorists?
2020-03-23T15:53:56 < specing> yes, mussolini and his company
2020-03-23T15:54:33 < BrainDamage> uh, what? you realize that we've literally hanged them in public places, right?
2020-03-23T15:54:49 < tcth> recently?
2020-03-23T15:55:11 < BrainDamage> 75 years ago
2020-03-23T15:56:38 < specing> if the partisans hadn't shot that fucker, he'd still be alive and free today
2020-03-23T15:57:17 < BrainDamage> so we didn't kill him, but we did
2020-03-23T15:58:33 < specing> Oh, and we still want Trst back
2020-03-23T15:58:56 < tcth> where is Mr. specing from?
2020-03-23T15:59:34 < BrainDamage> judging from the trieste's comment, slovenia
2020-03-23T15:59:44 < specing> yeah
2020-03-23T16:00:17 < tcth> I have a very limited knowledge about history - hence I asked as ¨trst¨ wasn´t much to go by :p
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2020-03-23T16:23:38 < Steffanx> Go take your EV for a walk specing. 
2020-03-23T16:30:11 < qyx> my omega2 is ded
2020-03-23T16:30:25 < qyx> I connected an interrupt source to a boot strapping pin
2020-03-23T16:30:34  * qyx using wire cutters
2020-03-23T16:30:56  * emeb cues up some Laibach.
2020-03-23T16:31:04 < qyx> ok boots now
2020-03-23T16:31:09 < qyx> mcp251x spi0.1: spi transfer failed: ret = -22
2020-03-23T16:31:18 < qyx> but still no worky
2020-03-23T16:31:39 < tcth> seems like an SPI eeprom cannot be read out successfully (if that is not obvious - not trolling here)
2020-03-23T16:33:36 < Steffanx> You're not being helpful tcth
2020-03-23T16:34:51 < tcth> ok, sry
2020-03-23T16:34:55 < Steffanx> lol
2020-03-23T16:34:56 < Steffanx> yw
2020-03-23T16:35:22 < englishman> maybe just write code better so you only have to compile once
2020-03-23T16:35:51 < qyx> probably the problem is with the SPI periph not being full duplex enough
2020-03-23T16:36:16 < karlp> many of these socs have a spi peripheral that's _very_ heavily targetted at spi nor and spi nor.... only.
2020-03-23T16:39:26  * qyx placing some printk's
2020-03-23T16:41:34 < PaulFertser> qyx: have you managed to make that pcie work btw?
2020-03-23T16:42:03 < qyx> not yet, I had to disable it because it messes with #PERST
2020-03-23T16:42:23 < qyx> and it is resetting my modem even when using USB only
2020-03-23T16:42:49 < qyx> and even if I set the pin to gpio mode in devicetree, I have to investigate further
2020-03-23T16:43:32 < PaulFertser> Nasty :/
2020-03-23T16:43:36 < qyx> also I am suspecting the problem to be swapped RX+/RX- despite mandatory support for polarity swapping
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2020-03-23T17:43:43 < bitmask> my first copper plated print! https://i.imgur.com/Nqib1hk.png
2020-03-23T17:43:44 < bitmask> needs some work but getting there
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2020-03-23T17:51:25 < Cracki> curious texture. did you rough it up with some sand paper?
2020-03-23T17:51:54 < Cracki> how does it stick to the plastic?
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2020-03-23T18:05:50 < bitmask> its brush strokes mostly
2020-03-23T18:05:56 < bitmask> painted on the graphite + ink
2020-03-23T18:06:16 < bitmask> I added too much graphite so it doesnt level itself out, its too thick
2020-03-23T18:06:25 < bitmask> i'll try a thinner solution next time
2020-03-23T18:06:33 < bitmask> and also sand it before plating
2020-03-23T18:06:43 < bitmask> well I guess most items you cant sand
2020-03-23T18:06:46 < bitmask> at least not well
2020-03-23T18:06:58 < bitmask> a box is easy though
2020-03-23T18:09:19 < englishman> laurenceb: your pal Peterson is in a coma
2020-03-23T18:10:48 < Thorn> men are almost twice as susceptible to CoV as women — Russian ministry of health
2020-03-23T18:12:25 < zyp> isn't that because men are twice as likely to be smokers or some shit?
2020-03-23T18:15:09 < englishman> isn't that true for most infectious disease
2020-03-23T18:16:09 < Thorn> dunno, many countries have been fighting smoking in the recent years
2020-03-23T18:16:47 < englishman> I heard coronavirus spread during the popcorn lung vape outbreak last year
2020-03-23T18:17:29 < Steffanx> I heard smoothies cause COVID-19
2020-03-23T18:20:01 < Steffanx> https://imgur.com/a/cxZqigK dutch stats seem to confirm it Thorn
2020-03-23T18:20:08 < Laurenceb> englishman: wut?
2020-03-23T18:20:13 < Steffanx> Man = man, vrouw = woman
2020-03-23T18:20:33 < Steffanx> Total | Hospitalized | Death
2020-03-23T18:21:26 < englishman> Laurenceb: yes
2020-03-23T18:22:21 < Thorn> are there many smokers in .nl?
2020-03-23T18:22:46 < Steffanx> What is many, still quite a few
2020-03-23T18:23:13 < Steffanx> Especially the older generation
2020-03-23T18:23:27 < Laurenceb> https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/books/jordan-peterson-treatment-russia
2020-03-23T18:23:28 < Laurenceb> wtf
2020-03-23T18:23:40 < Steffanx> https://images.gscdn.nl/image/a65bedcc9b_Schermafbeelding_2020-03-23_om_16.33.54.jpg?w=600&s=94ebf8af97e9649d951072608bf71232 dutch age stat Thorn.
2020-03-23T18:23:40 < Laurenceb> I knew his pill popping would end badly
2020-03-23T18:23:42 < Steffanx> *stats
2020-03-23T18:24:03 < Laurenceb> >just take the happy pills
2020-03-23T18:25:00 < Laurenceb> TAKE THE FUCKING HAPPY PILLS!!!
2020-03-23T18:25:24 < Laurenceb> WHY ARENT YOU SMILING???
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2020-03-23T18:40:20 < doomba> Beyerstein also notes the contradictory nature of these announcements: “Dependency goes against the core tenets of Peterson’s philosophical brand,” she writes.
2020-03-23T18:40:22 < tomeaton17> based and red pilled
2020-03-23T18:40:24 < doomba> BeyerSTEIN
2020-03-23T18:40:59 < doomba> typical social justice new world order playbook tactics.
2020-03-23T18:41:19 < doomba> can't debate on the merits, just dig up some dirt and attack ad hominem
2020-03-23T18:41:45 < k\o\w> I just built a board with an STM32F072, I am able to enter DFU mode (I think), as the device shows up as STM32 BOOTLOADER in device manager, but DfuSe doesn't see the device. any suggestions?
2020-03-23T18:42:09 < karlp> is DfuSe the one for atmel stuff?
2020-03-23T18:42:13 < karlp> isn't there dfu-util?
2020-03-23T18:42:20 < englishman> need some driver iirc
2020-03-23T18:42:24 < karlp> or is dfuse the windows one?
2020-03-23T18:42:31 < englishman> there is a st special dfuse
2020-03-23T18:42:36 < karlp> ahh, goodo
2020-03-23T18:42:43 < englishman> but also not the Zadig Driver
2020-03-23T18:42:56 < k\o\w> I might have a zadig driver from a while ago
2020-03-23T18:43:02 < englishman> rip
2020-03-23T18:43:07 < englishman> you are infected
2020-03-23T18:43:09 < k\o\w> I'll try another PC :v
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2020-03-23T18:46:12 < k\o\w> sweet that worked, ty hun
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2020-03-23T18:48:11 < Thorn> https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/doctor-who-became-coronavirus-super-21729850
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2020-03-23T18:49:39 < k\o\w> ty englishman & karlp https://i.imgur.com/dsAgErr.jpg
2020-03-23T18:49:41 < jadew> would be 15 years in prison here
2020-03-23T18:50:01 < karlp> whee
2020-03-23T19:01:14 < englishman> nice
2020-03-23T19:01:23 < englishman> usbc
2020-03-23T19:01:47 < englishman> Thorn: too many popups couldn't read
2020-03-23T19:01:58 < englishman> web69.0 sure sucks
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2020-03-23T19:15:52 < Thorn> interview with a Ukrainian nurse from Bergamo, Italy https://www.svoboda.org/a/30504295.html
2020-03-23T19:25:32 < jadew> man... google translate has gotten so good
2020-03-23T19:25:37 < jadew> the AI is growing
2020-03-23T19:26:21 < jadew> it reads like a news article
2020-03-23T19:26:43 < jadew> I wonder if the AI captures that and translates it like that
2020-03-23T19:27:16 < jadew> if you wrote like a hillbilly, would it convey that in the translation too?
2020-03-23T19:27:28 < jadew> or would it still sound like you went to school?
2020-03-23T19:28:34 < jadew> if it's the latter, they might want to offer a service for social media, to translate from english to english
2020-03-23T19:34:45 < Cracki> jadew, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETtDw5rUYAE10w1.jpg:orig
2020-03-23T19:36:37 < Thorn> >how I follow IRC recommendations
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2020-03-23T19:39:59 < jadew> Romania is going to get hit very hard too
2020-03-23T19:40:04 < jadew> people don't seem to follow the new rules
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2020-03-23T19:40:09 < BrainDamage> bergamo is the place that has it worse here
2020-03-23T19:40:46 < jadew> a lot of people think it's bullshit or some sort of government trickery
2020-03-23T19:41:03 < jadew> or just the media making a big deal out of nothing again
2020-03-23T19:41:44 < boddax_> trend looks flattening
2020-03-23T19:41:54 < jadew> boddax_, in Italy, yeah
2020-03-23T19:42:03 < Thorn> immunoglobulin M and G found in blood of those who recovered from CoV https://lenta.ru/news/2020/03/23/immune/
2020-03-23T19:42:04 < boddax_> but early to say
2020-03-23T19:42:12 < jadew> was just going to say that, the quarantine measures are finally showing in the nr. of deaths
2020-03-23T19:44:18 < jadew> BrainDamage, when did the quarantine measures start?
2020-03-23T19:44:24 < jadew> has it been 22 days?
2020-03-23T19:44:43 < Cracki> jadew, you did see the stats about death rate by age?
2020-03-23T19:44:57 < jadew> Cracki, yeah, I was aware of that
2020-03-23T19:45:18 < aandrew> ontario just closed down all nonessential businesses effective midnight tomorrow (so wedneday is closed) for two weeks min.
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2020-03-23T19:46:06 < boddax_> anyway many companies still working ..they say totally block but isnt true
2020-03-23T19:46:08 < Cracki> deaths are tragic and affect many families and friends. the whole nation going down the drain because they are forbidden from working for their livelihood is worse.
2020-03-23T19:47:22 < jadew> Cracki, yeah, there has to be a ballance
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2020-03-23T19:56:18 < mawk> jadew: in french suburbs people think it's a trickery of the white devil to get them out of the street
2020-03-23T19:56:25 < mawk> so they get out and riot
2020-03-23T19:56:31 < mawk> keep hanging out in flea markets
2020-03-23T19:56:49 < mawk> they steal masks in hospital and sell them on the street
2020-03-23T19:57:08 < mawk> you see drug dealers with better protection equipment than most doctors, meanwhile the police is told to not wear any masks to not make the population jealous
2020-03-23T19:57:26 < mawk> and the government issued a nationwide order to fetch back masks from private individuals because the stocks are too low
2020-03-23T19:57:46 < mawk> they liquidated all the 1.7 billion masks we had in 2013 to gain around 15 million euros of budget
2020-03-23T19:58:26 < mawk> I hope it gets to the internation justice court or something when all of this is over
2020-03-23T19:58:50 < jadew> mawk, what do you mean fetch back masks from private individuals?
2020-03-23T19:58:56 < jadew> from like... you?
2020-03-23T19:59:04 < mawk> yes
2020-03-23T19:59:09 < jadew> how does that work?
2020-03-23T19:59:23 < jadew> you get to sell it to them, or it's by force?
2020-03-23T19:59:24 < mawk> they told anyone possessing any amount of mask that they must hand them back to the government under penalty of a fine or prison or whatever
2020-03-23T19:59:32 < mawk> no, you give the masks to them, for free
2020-03-23T19:59:36 < jadew> lol
2020-03-23T19:59:52 < mawk> yeah it's like a wartime order
2020-03-23T19:59:57 < mawk> liberalism is dead
2020-03-23T20:00:13 < jadew> it's what you can expect from socialist governments
2020-03-23T20:00:18 < mawk> yeah
2020-03-23T20:00:42 < mawk> meanwhile all government official parade on TV to tell that masks shouldn't be worn by individuals anyway, because they wouldn't know how to use them
2020-03-23T20:00:55 < jadew> that's the same here
2020-03-23T20:00:58 < jadew> freaking stupid
2020-03-23T20:01:00 < mawk> they said word for word "see I'm a minister, and I don't know how to use a mask. I would scratch my nose, and voilà the virus is here, see"
2020-03-23T20:01:05 < Steffanx> Here they asked people to bring the masks to the local health agency stuff
2020-03-23T20:01:08 < Steffanx> here = dutchland
2020-03-23T20:01:20 < mawk> under good will ? or under penalty
2020-03-23T20:01:20 < jadew> Steffanx, mandatory?
2020-03-23T20:01:25 < Cracki> I wonder what history will say about this... history is narratives
2020-03-23T20:01:36 < Steffanx> No, hence "asked"  jadew ;)
2020-03-23T20:01:42 < jadew> ah, that's good
2020-03-23T20:01:49 < Steffanx> Many people did that ofcourse
2020-03-23T20:02:05 < jadew> you know... this is the government being shit
2020-03-23T20:02:14 < jadew> they could just throw money at the problem and get it solved
2020-03-23T20:02:25 < Steffanx> Sure they could
2020-03-23T20:02:26 < jadew> you can probably have a factory up and running in a week
2020-03-23T20:02:33 < Steffanx> but then another country throws more money on it.
2020-03-23T20:02:34 < mawk> all the factories making mask in france are making mask sure
2020-03-23T20:02:36 < mawk> but for the UK
2020-03-23T20:02:42 < mawk> UK gov passed the command before the french government
2020-03-23T20:02:51 < mawk> it's ridiculous
2020-03-23T20:02:53 < specing> lol
2020-03-23T20:03:01 < Steffanx> I bet when it comes to it they will say: fuck U.K.
2020-03-23T20:03:06 < specing> yep
2020-03-23T20:03:16 < jadew> yeah, they should say that
2020-03-23T20:03:28 < jadew> everyone else is doing it
2020-03-23T20:03:50 < Steffanx> I read some story (from a dutchy) that shipments of masks already pay for magically disappear.. because some oether country bought them while they were in an airplane.
2020-03-23T20:03:57 < mawk> lol
2020-03-23T20:04:00 < Steffanx> i wouldnt even be surprised if its reality.
2020-03-23T20:04:02 < mawk> like gas
2020-03-23T20:04:08 < Steffanx> *paid
2020-03-23T20:04:12 < mawk> you can buy boats of gas while they are on the sea
2020-03-23T20:04:16 < mawk> the boat goes to the highest bidder
2020-03-23T20:04:20 < mawk> so same for masks I see
2020-03-23T20:04:23 < specing> Didn't the EU ban export of medical equipment?
2020-03-23T20:04:23 < Steffanx> Yeah, exactly.
2020-03-23T20:04:30 < specing> of PPE* 
2020-03-23T20:04:32 < Steffanx> Did they?
2020-03-23T20:04:38 < specing> I heard something about it
2020-03-23T20:04:48 < mawk> also france send a few tons of masks to china before it hit france
2020-03-23T20:04:51 < mawk> that's maybe the worst part
2020-03-23T20:04:55 < mawk> they liquidated our last stocks lol
2020-03-23T20:05:00 < jadew> yes, very few PPE items are for sale anymore
2020-03-23T20:05:05 < jadew> not even glasses are available
2020-03-23T20:05:13 < jadew> ANY kind of protective glasses
2020-03-23T20:05:21 < jadew> it's fucking stupid
2020-03-23T20:05:26 < PaulFertser> So is there any evidence that wearing "surgical masks" help healthy people?
2020-03-23T20:05:42 < mawk> healthy can be sick without knowing I guess
2020-03-23T20:05:45 < mawk> so even just that is a net gain
2020-03-23T20:05:55 < jadew> PaulFertser, yes, and apparently it reduces the risk of contacting the disease by some percentage
2020-03-23T20:05:59 < jadew> not much, but it helps a little
2020-03-23T20:06:06 < PaulFertser> jadew: btw, have your friends started to wear the protective equipment fully properly now?
2020-03-23T20:06:12 < jadew> but what mawk said too
2020-03-23T20:06:44 < PaulFertser> mawk: without symptoms you're not distributing droplets much afaict.
2020-03-23T20:07:10 < Steffanx> Here they're even making new masks out of stuff and vacuum cleaner bags.
2020-03-23T20:07:13 < jadew> PaulFertser, yeah, they received masks and face shields from their companies
2020-03-23T20:07:25 < jadew> also, plexiglass shields were installed
2020-03-23T20:07:44 < jadew> Steffanx, yeah, here too
2020-03-23T20:07:56 < jadew> all you need is some hepa filter I guess
2020-03-23T20:08:04 < englishman> welp, all businesses closed
2020-03-23T20:08:05 < mawk> I have a sewing machine
2020-03-23T20:08:07 < mawk> let's make a mask
2020-03-23T20:08:18 < jadew> mawk, yep, you should be able to make a nice one
2020-03-23T20:08:20 < PaulFertser> jadew: like full respirator, comfortable to wear for the whole day?
2020-03-23T20:08:22 < Steffanx> Better get your pick and placer up and runnning englishman
2020-03-23T20:08:24 < jadew> perhaps even with replaceable filter
2020-03-23T20:08:30 < doomba> i saw some nurses spreading info on how to macguyver N95s out of random crap. this is kinda disturbing.
2020-03-23T20:08:44 < Steffanx> Cant your pick and placer make custom picked smoothes englishman?
2020-03-23T20:08:58 < jadew> PaulFertser, depends on how good your sewing skills are :)
2020-03-23T20:09:22 < PaulFertser> doomba: spreading misinfo you meant?
2020-03-23T20:09:35 < jadew> but is it misinformation?
2020-03-23T20:09:47 < PaulFertser> Random crap is unlikely to give N95 protection level
2020-03-23T20:09:55 < jadew> if you're using a HEPA filter and you have an air tight fit... you're pretty much good
2020-03-23T20:10:16 < jadew> sure, but it's better than just a piece of cloth
2020-03-23T20:10:24 < doomba> no. like a medical fellow at some hospital made a video showing other healthcare professionals how to jerry-rig N95-like filters out of other more-readily-available stuff found in hospitals.
2020-03-23T20:10:53 < doomba> because here in merimutt land, our nurses and doctors don't have the supplies they need
2020-03-23T20:11:02 < jadew> doomba, well, that's better than nothing
2020-03-23T20:11:04 < PaulFertser> jadew: btw, shouldn't all young people get infected so that 60 % or so of the population gets immunity and voila?
2020-03-23T20:11:27 < jadew> PaulFertser, probably a good plan, but they'd have to live by themselves
2020-03-23T20:11:29 < mawk> more like 70%
2020-03-23T20:11:32 < mawk> if you want to higher bound
2020-03-23T20:11:52 < mawk> at least Macron's retirement reform is solved now
2020-03-23T20:12:06 < jadew> if they did and got better, it would slow the spread considerably among the elderly
2020-03-23T20:12:26 < mawk> a gov-party MP joked about that on national TV "at least this corona thing will solved the retirement dossier ! haha !"
2020-03-23T20:12:38 < jadew> lol
2020-03-23T20:12:42 < PaulFertser> But it's probably too hard to infect just the young people.
2020-03-23T20:12:53 < mawk> in dutchland they want to do that apparently
2020-03-23T20:13:02 < mawk> tell the old to stay home, and leave the economy running hoping the young get it 
2020-03-23T20:13:05 < jadew> PaulFertser, yeah, they'd carry it to other people
2020-03-23T20:13:22 < mawk> but oddly we're like the only EU country doing that, even UK bailed out
2020-03-23T20:13:24 < jadew> mawk, might be the plan in more countries
2020-03-23T20:13:25 < mawk> a bit suspicious
2020-03-23T20:13:48 < PaulFertser> Are antibody tests coming soon?
2020-03-23T20:13:51 < jadew> but still, 0.2% of millions is too much
2020-03-23T20:14:02 < mawk> erasmum university have antibodies that work on coroan, they say
2020-03-23T20:14:06 < mawk> so maybe in the next months
2020-03-23T20:14:12 < mawk> erasmus*
2020-03-23T20:14:22 < Steffanx> They still need human testing at all
2020-03-23T20:14:27 < englishman> I'm going to learn to zynq
2020-03-23T20:14:33 < englishman> I have 3 weeks
2020-03-23T20:14:40 < englishman> to be a pro zynqer
2020-03-23T20:14:44 < mawk> omg Steffanx why did you mispell press
2020-03-23T20:14:47 < mawk> "persconferentie"
2020-03-23T20:14:51 < mawk> this is very ugly
2020-03-23T20:14:54 < mawk> I'm going to sue NL
2020-03-23T20:14:56 < jadew> englishman, got a dev board?
2020-03-23T20:15:01 < englishman> jadew: several
2020-03-23T20:15:01 < Steffanx> Where when mawk?
2020-03-23T20:15:07 < mawk> the dutch word, persconferentie
2020-03-23T20:15:11 < mawk> they spelled press wrong
2020-03-23T20:15:12 < englishman> instead of a camera I can use hdmi
2020-03-23T20:15:18 < jadew> englishman, neat, maybe when you're done you can recommend one
2020-03-23T20:15:23 < Steffanx> pres pres pres
2020-03-23T20:15:35 < Steffanx> and not even pers :P
2020-03-23T20:15:42 < mawk> persconferentie
2020-03-23T20:15:48 < Steffanx> yes its perfect
2020-03-23T20:15:52 < mawk> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persconferentie
2020-03-23T20:15:55 < mawk> it's not perfect
2020-03-23T20:15:57 < mawk> it's ugly
2020-03-23T20:16:19 < Steffanx> its pers, not press. easy
2020-03-23T20:16:29 < mawk> I'm speaking english exclusively from now on, it's decided
2020-03-23T20:16:31 < mawk> no more pers
2020-03-23T20:16:47 < Steffanx> neuk you, mawk :P
2020-03-23T20:16:56 < PaulFertser> Most weird ugly things in English originate from French, right?
2020-03-23T20:18:12 < englishman> vice versa
2020-03-23T20:18:36 < Thorn> <englishman>	jadew: several
2020-03-23T20:18:38 < Thorn> moneyed westerners
2020-03-23T20:18:45 < mawk> Steffanx :(
2020-03-23T20:19:05 < englishman> Thorn: Cora is only like $60
2020-03-23T20:19:11 < mawk> at least it's coherent PaulFertser 
2020-03-23T20:19:13 < mawk> mostly
2020-03-23T20:19:56 < Steffanx> french isnt coherent.
2020-03-23T20:20:10 < mawk> yes it is
2020-03-23T20:20:21 < mawk> we have only a handful of tenses
2020-03-23T20:20:25 < Steffanx> When i heave to learn exception crap, then its not :P
2020-03-23T20:20:40 < PaulFertser> mawk: many French words have really odd spelling. Plenty of letters at the end of the word that do not contribute to sounds, tricky multi-vowel combinations in the middle etc. 
2020-03-23T20:20:41 < mawk> https://www.ralentirtravaux.com/images/Les-modes-et-leurs-temps.jpg
2020-03-23T20:20:53 < mawk> there is a sound explanation to this PaulFertser 
2020-03-23T20:20:57 < Thorn> frenchc -fno-exceptions
2020-03-23T20:21:00 < mawk> lol
2020-03-23T20:21:03 < mawk> during the middle ages french scholars rediscovered ancient greece
2020-03-23T20:21:18 < mawk> so they wanted to greecize french words, like invent greek etymology to latin-based words
2020-03-23T20:21:23 < mawk> that's how we got ph instead of f and so on
2020-03-23T20:21:30 < mawk> y instead of i
2020-03-23T20:21:37 < mawk> y is litteraly "greek i" infrench
2020-03-23T20:21:49 < Steffanx> So did you watch the persconference mawk?
2020-03-23T20:21:52 < englishman> there's a lot of shit that just makes more sense in french
2020-03-23T20:22:00 < mawk> heard a summup of it Steffanx 
2020-03-23T20:22:01 < englishman> because it has the vocabulary and tenses
2020-03-23T20:22:10 < englishman> but it sucks dick for engineering
2020-03-23T20:22:14 < mawk> :(
2020-03-23T20:22:24 < mawk> we have a complete engineering vocabulary
2020-03-23T20:22:29 < mawk> you can do complete studies without hearing an english term
2020-03-23T20:22:32 < englishman> and it sucks dick
2020-03-23T20:22:33 < mawk> it works great
2020-03-23T20:22:47 < englishman> mon desktop a beaucoup de icons
2020-03-23T20:22:50 < Steffanx> until you move to a non-french country.. then you're fucked
2020-03-23T20:22:55 < mawk> lol
2020-03-23T20:22:59 < PaulFertser> mawk: of course there is :) But the result is odd. E.g. not many people can spell or pronounce "nouveau" properly. It's just odd. Bordeaux.
2020-03-23T20:23:03 < mawk> africa has tons of french speakers Steffanx don't worry
2020-03-23T20:23:14 < mawk> j'ai du nouveau bordeau dans mon caveau
2020-03-23T20:23:18 < mawk> bordeaux
2020-03-23T20:23:31 < englishman> better than an old Bordeaux. wash
2020-03-23T20:23:32 < mawk> I have new bordeaux in my cellar
2020-03-23T20:24:43 < PaulFertser> mawk: hm, do French read xenon as "kseenon" or "zeenon"?
2020-03-23T20:25:26 < Steffanx> ксенон
2020-03-23T20:25:28 < mawk> both PaulFertser 
2020-03-23T20:25:32 < mawk> I prefer the last one tho
2020-03-23T20:25:43 < Steffanx> that is the only russian word that looks like the english version. lol. 
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2020-03-23T20:25:49 < mawk> well kzenon works too
2020-03-23T20:25:50 < Steffanx> When you read H as N.
2020-03-23T20:26:00 < PaulFertser> mawk: but kseenon would be much closer to Greek I guess? 
2020-03-23T20:26:28 < BrainDamage> in italian gif is pronounced jif for much the annoyance of internet nerds
2020-03-23T20:26:41 < mawk> yes PaulFertser 
2020-03-23T20:26:44 < mawk> greek xi is ks
2020-03-23T20:26:50 < mawk> so ksenon is the most correct I guess
2020-03-23T20:26:57 < Steffanx> but you are dutch now. so you say "xseenon", where the "ee"  sounds like the a in say. mawk
2020-03-23T20:27:05 < mawk> nooooo
2020-03-23T20:27:07 < Steffanx> YES
2020-03-23T20:27:16 < emeb> Latest foolishness -> https://www.dropbox.com/s/u96vt5ltuxyltk3/0323201112.mp4?dl=0
2020-03-23T20:27:44 < Steffanx> heh emeb :)
2020-03-23T20:27:50 < BrainDamage> do you also get mandatory clogs with a dutch residence permit?
2020-03-23T20:28:03 < mawk> nice emeb 
2020-03-23T20:28:06 < Steffanx> klomen?
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2020-03-23T20:28:12 < Steffanx> *klompen
2020-03-23T20:28:12 < mawk> klompen
2020-03-23T20:30:39 < PaulFertser> Show your rebellion, wear geta instead!
2020-03-23T20:30:54 < Steffanx> SEXY
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2020-03-23T20:32:11 < jadew> hmm...
2020-03-23T20:32:28 < jadew> I just checked, the quarantine measures in Italy were imposed on 9 March
2020-03-23T20:32:40 < jadew> so only 14 days ago
2020-03-23T20:32:45 < jadew> actually.. that checks out
2020-03-23T20:32:49 < jadew> nvm
2020-03-23T20:33:35 < PaulFertser> Motivational posters on the construction site of a new hospital near moscow: https://s79369.cdn.ngenix.net/media/photo/original/20200321/bc4ee317a5d58606dc10ed956b5013ff.jpg
2020-03-23T20:34:29 < Cracki> lol
2020-03-23T20:34:32 < PaulFertser> The second one says "(we) will bury the virus along with its crown"
2020-03-23T20:34:54 < Cracki> was that some western art collective or are true russians getting those ideas
2020-03-23T20:35:12 < PaulFertser> The third one "Tired and put your hands down? Let the real FIGHTERS take your place"
2020-03-23T20:36:33 < PaulFertser> Cracki: looks like an ironic interpretation of soviet-era posters to me.
2020-03-23T20:36:46 < Cracki> very much so
2020-03-23T20:36:47 < PaulFertser> The man on the first poster is mayor of moscow.
2020-03-23T20:36:54 < Cracki> not sure how ironic tho
2020-03-23T20:37:11 < PaulFertser> I can't believe they're fully serious there.
2020-03-23T20:37:44 < Cracki> communists, communists everywhere. march through the institutions. they control the media, also all kinds of art.
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2020-03-23T20:38:21 < PaulFertser> My guess is the posters are by young russian artists who know what "New Sincerity" is.
2020-03-23T20:39:11 < mawk> who's the first guy
2020-03-23T20:39:16 < PaulFertser> mawk: moscow mayor
2020-03-23T20:39:44 < Cracki> poor construction worker, his face looks not amused
2020-03-23T20:39:45 < PaulFertser> Saying "builders! Every minute matters"
2020-03-23T20:40:46 < Cracki> yes yes emoution and urgency, run run run the enemy is shooting at your comrades
2020-03-23T20:40:56 < PaulFertser> Cracki: old soviet ideology is certainly not popular in modern russia, not among the young people that's for sure.
2020-03-23T20:41:28 < PaulFertser> Cracki: yes, I'm sure that's all postmodernism.
2020-03-23T20:41:30 < Cracki> german young people are fucking genocidal maniacs. they openly fly the hammer and sickle.
2020-03-23T20:41:38 < Cracki> some at least, not all
2020-03-23T20:42:17 < doomba> there's germans?
2020-03-23T20:42:30 < doomba> i donno why they still call it germany
2020-03-23T20:42:45 < Cracki> well, whatever walks around here and is neet or state employed
2020-03-23T20:42:53 < doomba> i thought it was supposed to be renamed to Sudanmerkelstan
2020-03-23T20:43:00 < Cracki> it's the magic dirt! magic dirt makes you german
2020-03-23T20:43:06 < Thorn> can you contract CoV by eating fresh fruit?
2020-03-23T20:43:14 < Cracki> did you wash it?
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2020-03-23T20:43:21 < doomba> Thorn: only if it was touched by fruit bats
2020-03-23T20:43:29 < Thorn> yes I did
2020-03-23T20:43:31 < Cracki> fruit don't have the biology to let it reproduce
2020-03-23T20:43:55 < antto> you gotta wash ze fruitz
2020-03-23T20:43:56 < Cracki> so at most fruit is like petri dish... but virus isn't bacterium, it needs moar than food
2020-03-23T20:44:04 < Cracki> yes wash your fruits
2020-03-23T20:44:09 < antto> but if they are cracked..
2020-03-23T20:44:28 < Cracki> did you just call me a fruit you fruit
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2020-03-23T20:44:57 < antto> yes, ur a big CRACKUMBER
2020-03-23T20:45:00  * antto runs
2020-03-23T20:45:01 < Cracki> hm, ripe banana for dessert
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2020-03-23T20:45:21 < Cracki> they were green when I bought them
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2020-03-23T20:45:49 < antto> muh cat goes mad about bananas
2020-03-23T20:46:03 < Cracki> cat + cucumber = sperg out
2020-03-23T20:46:10 < antto> i should buy her one
2020-03-23T20:46:19 < Cracki> green banana, wonder what that does
2020-03-23T20:46:52 < Cracki> I think they freak out over the color and shape, not the smell
2020-03-23T20:48:44 < doomba> it's very possible that in the next decade or so, we might all be eating a different banana
2020-03-23T20:49:11 < antto> Cracki i meant she OMNOMs bananas
2020-03-23T20:49:16 < antto> she ain't scared of them
2020-03-23T20:49:42 < Cracki> yes, that's why I wonder what she'd do if it looks green like cucumber :>
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2020-03-23T20:50:25 < PaulFertser> "For example, bananas are picked when green and artificially ripened after shipment by being gassed with ethylene. Ethylene glycol, a compound made up of ethylene gas and hydrogen peroxide, costs anywhere from $15 to $19 in the U.S. Unfortunately, there is evidence that when ingested, the compound is poisonous, and eating the compound can cause kidney failure"
2020-03-23T20:50:30 < PaulFertser> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripening
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2020-03-23T20:50:43 < Cracki> oh no they're gassed
2020-03-23T20:51:03 < Cracki> so you should buy them green or else you get gassed
2020-03-23T20:51:21 < PaulFertser> "Some fruits can be ripened by placing them in a plastic bag with a ripe banana, as the banana will release ethylene"
2020-03-23T20:54:03 < antto> it wozn't me! teh banana farted!
2020-03-23T20:54:16 < Steffanx> lol mawk. The dutch government is doing the hamsteren thing.
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2020-03-23T20:55:41 < antto> one thing i know.. my cat is repulsed by the banana peel
2020-03-23T20:55:51 < antto> when she sniffz it
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2020-03-23T20:57:17 < antto> and when she sniffz some citric fruit - her nose segfaults
2020-03-23T20:59:25 < mawk> can I see Steffanx ?
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2020-03-23T21:03:46 < kakigate> Cracki: you must rise to occasion
2020-03-23T21:04:12 < kakigate> remember me when you have the mighty empire in your hands
2020-03-23T21:06:01 < Thorn> Kakerheim
2020-03-23T21:06:25 < kakigate> I will be your ally in north
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2020-03-23T21:09:13 < PaulFertser> Thorn: do you think those motivational posters are ironic or not?
2020-03-23T21:09:27 < Cracki> eh, bananas don't go bad so quickly. the occasion will be there tomorrow still
2020-03-23T21:09:55 < Cracki> downstairs terrorists still bassing around
2020-03-23T21:11:27 < Steffanx> mawk: nah lol they said were gonna buy respiratory equipment and they said they ordered so many because they rather have to many thant too few.
2020-03-23T21:11:32 < Steffanx> Sounds like hamsteren to me.
2020-03-23T21:11:50 < mawk> lol
2020-03-23T21:11:52 < mawk> yeah
2020-03-23T21:12:05 < kakigate> do you really have like some leftist nutcases fucking around?
2020-03-23T21:12:39 < mawk> omg kakigate said leftist
2020-03-23T21:12:44 < mawk> he is converted to crackideology now
2020-03-23T21:12:52 < kakigate> I know in germany that is legal demonstration or looked another way
2020-03-23T21:13:19 < kakigate> as long as it's left
2020-03-23T21:13:46 < mawk> how couldn't it be PaulFertser 
2020-03-23T21:14:13 < Thorn> PaulFertser: I'm pretty sure those who commissioned them don't see any irony
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2020-03-23T21:17:27 < Laurenceb> Salmond 1: Thots:0
2020-03-23T21:17:42 < PaulFertser> Thorn: I prefer to think that most people in charge are not too dumb...
2020-03-23T21:20:40 < Cracki> I think we all prefer to think that but it is rarely true
2020-03-23T21:21:07 < Cracki> it wouldn't be called politics if it were based on merit/competence
2020-03-23T21:21:15 < Thorn> you can't be a leader if your subordinates won't take you seriously. so if they see how ridiculous it is they have to pretend they don't (and same goes for the workers)
2020-03-23T21:23:47 < Cracki> you become leader by kissing up to superiors, not by being liked
2020-03-23T21:24:06 < Cracki> being liked is sometimes seen as bad
2020-03-23T21:24:20 < kakigate> is that how hitler did it?
2020-03-23T21:24:27 < Cracki> nah
2020-03-23T21:24:52 < Thorn> being taken seriously is more about being feared than being liked
2020-03-23T21:25:05 < Cracki> *tony stark weapons presentation*
2020-03-23T21:27:08 < Cracki> I can't take seriously people who want to be feared or who lead by fear
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2020-03-23T21:40:33 < kakigate> https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/842-LFE5UM5G-85F-EVN
2020-03-23T21:41:20 < kakigate> could I connect to this with SMA pigtails https://www.mouser.comProductDetail/992-USB30-TERM this
2020-03-23T21:41:43 < Thorn> >$172.33
2020-03-23T21:42:01 < Thorn> kakimoney
2020-03-23T21:42:59 < kakigate> where is 172?
2020-03-23T21:43:23 < Thorn> ru.mouser.com
2020-03-23T21:43:27 < kakigate> I see 89 and 8
2020-03-23T21:44:55 < Cracki> rubles maybe. i see 8,04 eurs
2020-03-23T21:45:53 < Cracki> and 89.99 eur
2020-03-23T21:46:41 < Cracki> so.. 1.915 dollars for an euro
2020-03-23T21:46:47 < kakigate> so 50ohm SMA pigtails to serdes connectors?
2020-03-23T21:48:19 < doomba> infowars.mouser.com - There's a war on for your components! Get covid-isolators, deep state attenuators, and anti-globalist connectors here.
2020-03-23T21:48:54 < qyx> speaking of pigtails
2020-03-23T21:49:03 < qyx> jadew: are you using ufl->ufl pigtails?
2020-03-23T21:49:12 < qyx> to connect distant parts of the pcb?
2020-03-23T21:57:10 < Laurenceb> keeek doomba
2020-03-23T21:58:53 < jadew> qyx, I didn't have that problem yet, but I would if there was no other way
2020-03-23T22:00:58 < jadew> if I had enough room, I'd go for SMA tho
2020-03-23T22:01:41 < jadew> but that's just because I'm familiar with SMA and I know what to expect from it
2020-03-23T22:03:12 < jadew> several more people dead in Romania
2020-03-23T22:03:24 < doomba> From Infowars and ST Microelectronics, the new Super Male Vitality on a Module (SMVoM) is a complete solution for keeping the gay frogs away. Now ships as an ultra-low-power discrete package for the IoT (5G VERSION NOT AVAILABLE).
2020-03-23T22:03:24 < jadew> I think the situation is much worse than we thought
2020-03-23T22:04:20 < jadew> lol, speaking of the gay frogs, did he have any evidence for those claims?
2020-03-23T22:04:33 < doomba> did he have any evidence for ANY of his claims? lol
2020-03-23T22:04:36 < jadew> maybe the water did turn the frogs gay
2020-03-23T22:04:52 < doomba> i donno but if you use the old definition of gay, i'd say frogs are hella gay.
2020-03-23T22:04:54 < jadew> I'd like to see the study that looked into that
2020-03-23T22:05:07 < doomba> they don't have to work 9-5 and struggle to pay rent and deal with quarantines
2020-03-23T22:06:32 < doomba> man this... so instead of going to a higher pin count stm32, i'm using one of those gpio expanders over i2c to add even more autism to this thing.
2020-03-23T22:06:48 < doomba> it's gonna be so awesome if it works
2020-03-23T22:07:07 < Laurenceb> let me guess, an arduiuno clone?
2020-03-23T22:07:18 < doomba> no it's the backplane for my memecluster
2020-03-23T22:07:38 < doomba> the BezosKube
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2020-03-23T22:12:04 < PaulFertser> Prohibited from shipping by Royal Mail to Israel: "Printed books, newspapers, pictures and other products of the printing industry; manuscripts, typescripts and plans ... Other made-up textile articles; sets; worn clothing and worn textile articles; rags ... Electrical machinery and equipment and parts thereof; sound recorders and reproducers; television image and sound recorders and reproducers
2020-03-23T22:12:10 < PaulFertser> and parts and accessories of such articles ... Toys, games and sports requisites; parts and accessories thereof ... Dangerous toys. ... Games based on chance and parts thereof." Just WTF are you fucking serious?
2020-03-23T22:14:11 < Cracki> russian royal mail?
2020-03-23T22:14:45 < Cracki> what did the brits do to make israel refuse their stuff
2020-03-23T22:15:39 < doomba> such things are goyim temptations that will only lead to degeneracy and a weakening of the ruling power of usury.
2020-03-23T22:17:40 < PaulFertser> Cracki: russians dealed with their royal family more than one hundred years ago, so no. https://www.royalmail.com/israel
2020-03-23T22:18:25 < Laurenceb> based Royal Mail
2020-03-23T22:18:43 < Cracki> israel post website looks like early 2000s
2020-03-23T22:19:26 < Cracki> for being the home of Download Valley (where all those browser toolbars came from), they seem to live behind the times
2020-03-23T22:25:00 < PaulFertser> Cracki: IIRC pochta.ru can generate crypto signed PDFs for tracking documents.
2020-03-23T22:25:54 < PaulFertser> Cracki: and when going to the post office one can use a smartphone (with special pochta app showing QR code) for authorisation, without filling papers and showing real ID document.
2020-03-23T22:31:12 < Laurenceb> lol Boris is giving an address
2020-03-23T22:31:22 < Laurenceb> solemn Boris mode
2020-03-23T22:34:14 < PaulFertser> Cracki: they literally killed the whole family https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_the_Romanov_family . There's still one metro station and a street named after one of the killers, Pyotr Voykov.
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2020-03-23T22:39:49 < Laurenceb> fuck sake
2020-03-23T22:39:50 < Laurenceb> wtf
2020-03-23T22:39:57 < Laurenceb> total lockdown
2020-03-23T22:40:25 < Laurenceb> this shit isnt funny any more
2020-03-23T22:40:42 < jadew> Laurenceb, they just announced it here too
2020-03-23T22:40:51 < jadew> hope you bough some toilet paper
2020-03-23T22:41:07 < Laurenceb> tfw cant leave house without a loicense
2020-03-23T22:42:03 < jadew> s. korea has won
2020-03-23T22:42:09 < jadew> they're almost out of it
2020-03-23T22:42:12 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: so basically like Italy?
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2020-03-23T22:42:21 < Laurenceb> yeah
2020-03-23T22:46:18 < brdb> any recommendations on smaller color touchscreens (resistive or capacitive) not on a breakout board and where to source them? looking to build a prepackaged solution as a product with the stm32 series
2020-03-23T22:46:40 < brdb> i see digikey, mouser, newark, etc. all having the premade solutions with various MCUs onboard, but I just want the screen itself
2020-03-23T22:47:14 < brdb> or wait, maybe there are options - d'oh, but they sure aren't cheap :)
2020-03-23T22:47:20 < effractur> china
2020-03-23T22:47:28 < catphish> yay lockdown :)
2020-03-23T22:47:38 < brdb> :reeeEEE:
2020-03-23T22:47:52 < Thorn> brdb https://www.displayfuture.com/Display/display.asp?Cat=5
2020-03-23T22:47:57 < Thorn> dongs approved iirc
2020-03-23T22:48:01 < brdb> cheers Thorn i'll have a look
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2020-03-23T22:52:58 < Thorn> brdb also see https://www.aliexpress.com/store/704833
2020-03-23T22:53:54 < Thorn> I've been using https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32847751617.html
2020-03-23T22:55:51 < brdb> that's also good, though interesting datasheet -- at least there is a pinout!
2020-03-23T22:57:14 < Thorn> pinout + controller datasheet + aidsfruit (iirc) driver was enough fo me
2020-03-23T23:01:12 < Thorn> although some colors aren't bright, would be nice to have a proper gamma curve/LUT config for this particular panel
2020-03-23T23:04:59 < brdb> at that price point i can't complain about lack of anything :)
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2020-03-23T23:14:09 < englishman> Thorn: everyone at my company is laid off, no more moneyed westerners
2020-03-23T23:14:24 < Thorn> what, permanently?
2020-03-23T23:14:35 < englishman> no, until the shit is over
2020-03-23T23:14:42 < englishman> govt ordered all businesses to close
2020-03-23T23:14:51 < englishman> except grocery, pharmacy and liquor
2020-03-23T23:15:02 < Thorn> well that's an unpaid vacation, not a layoff
2020-03-23T23:15:15 < englishman> if there's a job left for everyone
2020-03-23T23:16:06 < englishman> I'm sure a lot of businesses will have to close, like my pal's restaurant and brewery
2020-03-23T23:18:28 < brdb> Thorn: how do you handle fonts, images, etc. any tips and pointers on that?
2020-03-23T23:18:48 < englishman> Thorn: I still stole all the zynqs from work to play with
2020-03-23T23:21:06 < Steffanx> Hmm, unpaid englishman? Cant work from home?
2020-03-23T23:21:27 < Thorn> brdb: currently I'm using my own stuff (lines / area fill, bitmap fonts, command line / text field input, etc.) but I've been looking at littlevgl in case I need more
2020-03-23T23:21:28 < englishman> yes unpaid
2020-03-23T23:21:35 < englishman> company is closed
2020-03-23T23:21:43 < Steffanx> interesting.
2020-03-23T23:21:56 < Steffanx> Doesnt work like that here. Gladly.
2020-03-23T23:23:30 < englishman> idk how that would even work
2020-03-23T23:23:37 < englishman> especially with the machinery etc
2020-03-23T23:23:48 < Steffanx> yeah, there is that.
2020-03-23T23:24:00 < englishman> hey I'm just taking home the kuka and thermal lance this week
2020-03-23T23:24:23 < Steffanx> i meant with it doesnt work like there here.. that when closed down its not an unpaid leave.
2020-03-23T23:24:36 < englishman> oh the government will give everyone money
2020-03-23T23:24:37 < Steffanx> unless you have a contract that permits it, but most people dont have that
2020-03-23T23:24:47 < Steffanx> That or the company.
2020-03-23T23:25:01 < englishman> which is more important for like people in production making $20/hr
2020-03-23T23:25:48 < brdb> littlevgl looks 10/10, thank you again Thorn!
2020-03-23T23:29:59 < englishman> invest in fax machine companies, an essential service
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2020-03-23T23:35:08 < Thorn> if you did IoT(tm) stuff you could set up a lab at home and keep working
2020-03-23T23:35:58 < englishman> luckily I don't touch any of that aids
2020-03-23T23:36:50 < karlp> englishman: wherre is Cora only $60
2020-03-23T23:37:59 < englishman> maybe I messed up the cad usd conversion
2020-03-23T23:38:01 < englishman> it's cheap anyway
2020-03-23T23:40:08 < karlp> emeb: hehe, you're joining jpa on making scopes!
2020-03-23T23:40:37 < Laurenceb> STATE ENFORCED NEETDOM
2020-03-23T23:43:13 < BrainDamage> not like it's going to change anything for you Laurenceb
2020-03-23T23:43:28 < englishman> ^^
2020-03-23T23:45:53 < karlp> PaulFertser:you can ripen bananas with ehtylene, but it does it naturally too...
2020-03-23T23:46:14 < karlp> the reason to _use_ added ethylene is so they can be put on sale as soon as they've arrived, instead of having to wait for them to finish ripening.
2020-03-23T23:46:45 < PaulFertser> karlp: yep
2020-03-23T23:47:40 < Thorn> Russian military deployed to Italy https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1242191463385096198
2020-03-23T23:48:22 < BrainDamage> they do it with tomatoes too
2020-03-23T23:48:28 < Thorn> despite Poland closing its airspace https://twitter.com/JudithS21297040/status/1242206074473775108
2020-03-23T23:48:45 < mawk> the wifi AP we use at work supports ssh, but only interactively
2020-03-23T23:48:47 < mawk> you can't script it
2020-03-23T23:48:48 < BrainDamage> the problem with tomatoes is that most of the flavour is developed while ripening
2020-03-23T23:49:02 < mawk> and you can't upload your public key to not type the password
2020-03-23T23:49:28 < mawk> so I used a python expect library to script it, with a builtin dict for all the AP passwords, identifying all the APs by their two-letters codes
2020-03-23T23:50:47 < karlp> BrainDamage: yar, tomatos are fun.  most of the berries too.
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2020-03-23T23:51:05 < karlp> you can get "appealing, yet tasteless" via trickery
2020-03-23T23:51:06 < Steffanx> Gooday sir
2020-03-23T23:51:26 < karlp> apples are well treated with gasses to get their amazing shelf life as well, often bromides iirc
2020-03-23T23:52:10 < jly> gooday sport
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2020-03-24T00:05:29 < doomba> covid-19 has solved the NEET problem
2020-03-24T00:08:53 < doomba> all NEETs have used neetbux to purchase all the tendies
2020-03-24T00:09:04 < doomba> may the last NEET with tendies be proclaimed king
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2020-03-24T00:18:30 < Cracki> I don't have neetbux. where do I get neetbux?
2020-03-24T00:18:43 < Cracki> oh right I'm not a neet. fuck.
2020-03-24T00:27:56 < Cracki> hey jadew, that's a fun place you live in. do they hire tram drivers? xD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APdMP3ceR2U
2020-03-24T00:28:17 < Cracki> teach me romanian, I want to curse like him
2020-03-24T00:33:31 < jly> i got a 93 toyota paseo out in the parking lot
2020-03-24T00:33:48 < sync> karlp: my apples have amaze shelf life even without gassing them
2020-03-24T00:34:06 < jly> lets get out of here
2020-03-24T00:36:37 < karlp> sync: from your trees?
2020-03-24T00:36:49 < karlp> apples do naturally, but they gas them for even longer lives.
2020-03-24T00:37:43 < sync> yeah from my trees
2020-03-24T00:38:06 < sync> those are winter apples tho
2020-03-24T00:38:22 < karlp> what sort of apples? or just something that you've always had?
2020-03-24T00:38:28 < sync> when I pick them they are sour, then they freeze around in the winter in my shed
2020-03-24T00:38:32 < sync> and in the spring they are ready
2020-03-24T00:38:53 < fenugrec> englishman have you stocked up on TP for the next 3 weeks
2020-03-24T00:40:31 < englishman> fenugrec: hell no I have one of those 90s sinks with the veggie washer I'm good
2020-03-24T00:40:41 < englishman> how you doing
2020-03-24T00:41:42 < sync> I have red brazil, white transparent and king of the pippins karlp
2020-03-24T00:48:51 < jadew> lol Cracki 
2020-03-24T00:52:07 < emeb> karlp: yes - scopes in all shapes and sizes.
2020-03-24T00:52:42 < jadew> mawk, are you aware if any other country has issued orders like the ones in France?
2020-03-24T00:54:34 < fenugrec> englishman, all good here, I don't have the luxury of a kitchen bidet but I do have a functional shower
2020-03-24T00:58:01  * catphish wonders when the coronavirus bill becomes law in the uk
2020-03-24T00:59:09 < karlp> is that the one that give sblanket surveillance with no sunset? :)
2020-03-24T00:59:33 < Cracki> germans don't need to fill out a form (gasp) but they have to explain what they're doing out and about
2020-03-24T01:00:05 < Cracki> gatherings are banned. halal are groceries, work, walking in the park alone or with direct relatives
2020-03-24T01:01:18 < Cracki> restaurants are closed, but takeout is still ok. public transport is still ok, even though it's "crowded". you're supposed to keep not just one arm's length distance but two
2020-03-24T01:02:10 < PaulFertser> Direct relatives or people you live with?
2020-03-24T01:02:19 < karlp> I think jadew was asking about the compulsory reacquisition of PPE, not the movement restrictions that like ~everyone in europe has.
2020-03-24T01:02:21 < Cracki> you're still allowed to live with people you live with.
2020-03-24T01:02:35 < PaulFertser> I mean walking in the park
2020-03-24T01:02:43 < Cracki> there was some nonsense about "straight line" relatives in some clause, so not your cousins I guess
2020-03-24T01:02:57 < PaulFertser> This makes no sense then
2020-03-24T01:03:02 < Cracki> not sure, but gatherings of two are still permitted
2020-03-24T01:03:03 < PaulFertser> Unlike what Boris ordered.
2020-03-24T01:03:09 < Cracki> walks in the park should be included in that
2020-03-24T01:03:10 < ds2> is that copied from the royal asscention bills? 
2020-03-24T01:03:32 < Cracki> I wish we had royals in power so we could put them on the chopping block
2020-03-24T01:03:56 < karlp> well, that's wonderfully consistent....
2020-03-24T01:04:36 < ds2> doesn't this more or less gives the UK what they wanted on the Brexit stuff? closed borders
2020-03-24T01:10:18 < mawk> no jadew , Steffanx said NL but not mandatory
2020-03-24T01:11:11 < jadew> that order is scary as hell
2020-03-24T01:11:16 < karlp> ds2:  no, what they wanted was magic fantasy where everything stayed the same but was somehow magically better.
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2020-03-24T01:14:32 < jadew> spain: https://www.elmundo.es/madrid/2020/03/23/5e788694fc6c83c22a8b4612.html
2020-03-24T01:15:02 < Cracki> > lying on the floor and glued to the wall
2020-03-24T01:15:28 < ds2> wonder if anyone has thrown together a quick and dirty SpO2 monitor...maybe around a discovery
2020-03-24T01:15:48 < jadew> you can buy one fairly cheaply tho
2020-03-24T01:15:54 < Cracki> you can buy spo2 ICs
2020-03-24T01:16:00 < ds2> shipping times....
2020-03-24T01:16:04 < Cracki> calibrating needs some knowledge
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2020-03-24T01:16:28 < Cracki> you could do this with a plain LED and photodiode (diode > transistor, better sensitivity)
2020-03-24T01:16:31 < ds2> what do you mean by calibrating? isn't it linear once you get the 100% point?
2020-03-24T01:16:38 < karlp> it's almost like you're new here....
2020-03-24T01:16:48  * karlp invokes the lolrencester to lecture
2020-03-24T01:16:51 < Cracki> what you get from the photodiode... is a tiny signal
2020-03-24T01:17:03 < sync> Laurenceb, pls engage
2020-03-24T01:17:08 < Cracki> you're measuring reflectivity of blood through skin
2020-03-24T01:17:19 < ds2> Cracki: AFAIK, that only gives you pulse... not SpO2
2020-03-24T01:17:21 < Thorn> if you get pneumonia you WILL feel it, no need for SpO2 lol
2020-03-24T01:17:26 < Cracki> right, for spo2 you need two wavelengths
2020-03-24T01:17:49 < Cracki> the diffs for oxygenated vs not are small
2020-03-24T01:17:59 < jly> can we have Laurenceb 
2020-03-24T01:18:04 < ds2> ah got it
2020-03-24T01:18:08 < Cracki> you want as many bits as possible. 12 bits is likely not good enough
2020-03-24T01:18:29 < Cracki> in 2016 I got to play with a maxim IC, 3010x series
2020-03-24T01:18:31 < ds2> the Maxim modules are around 16bits
2020-03-24T01:18:36 < Cracki> they promise all kinds of shit but it's an i2c adc
2020-03-24T01:18:43 < karlp> no, cracki needs to monologue a bit with wiki knowledge first I guess.
2020-03-24T01:18:43 < Cracki> 22 bits
2020-03-24T01:19:01 < qyx> grumpy karl
2020-03-24T01:19:11 < Cracki> wat he say
2020-03-24T01:19:16 < ds2> Cracki: Hmmm
2020-03-24T01:19:20 < qyx> spi_sync is not accepting my message :(
2020-03-24T01:19:39 < ds2> just a potential quick and dirty fun project 
2020-03-24T01:20:12 < Cracki> our application only called for pulse rate so I never bothered calibrating for oxygenation. I got good enough signal to see different amplitudes and it came close to what literature said
2020-03-24T01:21:02 < ds2> I messed with the Maxim stuff on a hw level... someone else did the SW... wish I snagged a dev board to play with
2020-03-24T01:21:09 < Cracki> I had enough trouble explaining to the head honcho grandpa what a lowpass is, and how that introduces phase shift, and how I adjusted for the phase shift
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2020-03-24T01:21:21 < Cracki> you can prolly get them off aliex :P
2020-03-24T01:21:33 < ds2> it is shipping times
2020-03-24T01:21:36 < Cracki> aidsfruit has some. I think they showed up a while after we needed them
2020-03-24T01:21:46 < ds2> even Amz prime shipping items are 2-3 weeks out 
2020-03-24T01:21:50 < Cracki> I think I still have the box of samples I ordered back then.
2020-03-24T01:21:58 < ds2> thought they stopped shipping as of last Wed
2020-03-24T01:22:25 < Cracki> the only breakout we did was milled on copper pcb, then they went straight to assembling 500 pieces
2020-03-24T01:23:04 < ds2> how did you mount the maxim modules by hand? the window on it seems to be an invitation to being foiled by flux smoke
2020-03-24T01:23:21 < Cracki> solder paste, bake
2020-03-24T01:23:46 < ds2> those modules tolerate overheating as much as other chips?
2020-03-24T01:23:53 < Cracki> it's ok to bake but if you go at it with manual hot air, it's like chocolate chips on a muffin... touch them and they flow
2020-03-24T01:24:27 < Cracki> nah, they don't. you can place and bake just fine but it's thin plastic and gets soft
2020-03-24T01:24:31 < ds2> more worried about fouling the window then moving.... kapton tape does wonders on the moving part
2020-03-24T01:24:42 < Cracki> it's hollow. the chip is about 2mm thick
2020-03-24T01:24:52 < Cracki> window will be ok
2020-03-24T01:25:21 < ds2> i have layed out board before for them but used an assembly house for the above reasons
2020-03-24T01:25:31 < Cracki> it will get dirty if you hotair it manually somehow. it has an air vent on the bottom I think. baking was always ok.
2020-03-24T01:25:33 < ds2> guess I'll try the oven
2020-03-24T01:25:58 < Cracki> dirty meaning condensation that stuck around for longer than anybody bothered to watch
2020-03-24T01:26:16 < Cracki> expect to do all your own algorithms. you literally get a stream of adc values.
2020-03-24T01:26:45 < Cracki> we did this for measuring on the wrist (outside/inside). bunch of drift from motion and from outside light.
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2020-03-24T01:27:26 < Cracki> you'll need some highpass against ambient shit. can't do much against motion.
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2020-03-24T01:28:37 < Cracki> we only needed rate, not phase. boss said to try autocorrelation, went well enough. looking for zero crossings is worse but I guess if I had put a lowpass on it too, it could have worked.
2020-03-24T01:29:37 < Cracki> finger gives several times better signal than wrist (or my wrist at least, I'm furred there)
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2020-03-24T01:35:24 < englishman> ds2: there are spo2 sensors in a bunch of cheap shit since a year or so but they need to be "calibrated" with running
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2020-03-24T01:37:20 < Cracki> oh, it was 18 bits, my bad
2020-03-24T01:47:26 < Cracki> I'd definitely evaluate the market now. that maxim thing was bare and I'd have wished for an application note and some recommended algorithms
2020-03-24T01:49:49 < Cracki> an appnote like this, but with the integration of maxim. we didn't want this with discrete components. https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/application-note/AN4327.pdf
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2020-03-24T02:05:00 < aandrew> yeah I read about spo2 sensing and it's straightforward but the output must be massaged quite a bit to be usefl
2020-03-24T02:05:43 < jadew> https://www.businessinsider.com/abbvies-hiv-drug-kaletra-treat-coronavirus-results-nejm-study-2020-3
2020-03-24T02:08:40 < jly> shekeli pills
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2020-03-24T02:09:39 < jly> throw a bit of daraprim on it
2020-03-24T02:10:08 < jly> I'm fully fucking blown
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2020-03-24T02:12:07 < Cracki> "disappointing" sure but now they have some data and that helps choose specific drugs for the next trial
2020-03-24T02:12:17 < jly> esci amico
2020-03-24T02:13:52 < englishman> friends dont let friends use maxim
2020-03-24T02:17:29 < ds2> heh
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2020-03-24T02:30:25 < ds2> things still going exponential 
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2020-03-24T02:39:45 < Cracki> south korea seems to be linear
2020-03-24T02:39:56 < Cracki> for two weeks now
2020-03-24T02:40:21 < ds2> anyplace in europe remotely close to being linear?
2020-03-24T02:40:22 < Cracki> and active cases drop steadily
2020-03-24T02:40:25 < Cracki> hah
2020-03-24T02:40:28 < Cracki> of course not :P
2020-03-24T02:40:52 < Cracki> according to this, germany maybe https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/
2020-03-24T02:40:55 < ds2> blah
2020-03-24T02:41:26 < jadew> I heard that unlike Italy, Germany isn't testing dead patients
2020-03-24T02:41:34 < Cracki> deaths seem to be slowing down
2020-03-24T02:41:47 < doomba> us media has people on full-retard-panic-button
2020-03-24T02:42:10 < jadew> doomba, well, the US seems to be the worst affected so far
2020-03-24T02:42:20 < ds2> is it media or the gov?
2020-03-24T02:42:36 < doomba> jadew: yea easily 75% of that is media sensationalism
2020-03-24T02:42:41 < jadew> it's probably the gov, asking to scare them into their homes
2020-03-24T02:43:01 < jadew> doomba, no, I'm talking about the reported numbers
2020-03-24T02:43:12 < jadew> you guys got like 10k new cases reported today
2020-03-24T02:43:12 < Cracki> oh, iran looks linear too but who knows if that's just them testing at constant capacity https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/iran/
2020-03-24T02:43:30 < ds2> is testing still at the DNA level?
2020-03-24T02:43:52 < doomba> dude holy fucking analytics batman
2020-03-24T02:43:58 < Cracki> there are quick tests for antibodies but they're not as reliable, and only possible after your body has started fighting
2020-03-24T02:44:01  * doomba adds worldometers.info to dns block list
2020-03-24T02:44:11 < Cracki> use some ad blocker
2020-03-24T02:44:21 < doomba> i do. the site barely loads.
2020-03-24T02:44:33 < Cracki> https://imgur.com/E6KWyxC
2020-03-24T02:44:36 < Cracki> loads fine with this
2020-03-24T02:44:39 < ds2> the body doesn't start fighting immediately with this?
2020-03-24T02:45:00 < doomba> ds2: yeah it's possible me and my mother have it
2020-03-24T02:45:03 < Cracki> the virus has to multiply first
2020-03-24T02:45:23 < doomba> she's in another state but we have both been having explosive shits for 3-4 dyas
2020-03-24T02:45:35 < doomba> if it's the wutang virus we should start having breathing probs soon i guess
2020-03-24T02:46:11 < jadew> my wife and kid have had a mild cold for quite some time now
2020-03-24T02:46:14 < doomba> i think it gives you the runs so you're constantly shitting and having to breathe in the microbes
2020-03-24T02:46:45 < doomba> then when it reaches a certain capacity in your lugs, it begins the attack.
2020-03-24T02:46:51 < Cracki> explosive shits aren't part of the symptoms?
2020-03-24T02:47:07 < doomba> Cracki: yea they said GI issues are like 43% in some people
2020-03-24T02:47:11 < Cracki> hm
2020-03-24T02:47:12 < jadew> maybe a month or so, while I have a sore throat from time to time
2020-03-24T02:47:15 < Cracki> congrats then
2020-03-24T02:47:29 < doomba> but it was said that the lung attack starts in abuot 2 days after you have GI issues
2020-03-24T02:47:42 < jadew> GI?
2020-03-24T02:47:45 < doomba> i've had nothing more than my usual allergies in the morning
2020-03-24T02:47:48 < Cracki> gastro intestinal
2020-03-24T02:47:52 < jadew> ah
2020-03-24T02:47:53 < doomba> no fever
2020-03-24T02:48:12 < doomba> basically upset stomac and the runs... no vomiting though sometimes i feel a little nausea
2020-03-24T02:48:16 < jadew> oh right, and I've been sleeping more than usual
2020-03-24T02:48:31 < jadew> I don't think I have it tho
2020-03-24T02:48:47 < jadew> I think I'm just tired by the whole situation
2020-03-24T02:48:49 < doomba> ya me neither. i think i messed up my gut floura drinking too many artificial sweetners
2020-03-24T02:49:39 < doomba> unless maybe...
2020-03-24T02:49:53 < doomba> maybe that's why the black rectangles made people buy all the TP
2020-03-24T02:50:04 < Cracki> you, drinking artificial sweeteners, is like finding out the friendly neighborhood fascist/faggot is secretly a faggot/fascist
2020-03-24T02:50:05 < doomba> maybe all the news about covid-19 is overshadowing the OTHER bioweapon china released
2020-03-24T02:50:12 < doomba> the one that makes you shit so much you buy all the toilet paper
2020-03-24T02:50:20  * doomba checks to see which toilet paper companies china just bought
2020-03-24T02:51:30 < Cracki> they make paper money from plastics, maybe they can make tp from plastics now
2020-03-24T02:51:53 < ds2> they can make papers from plastics
2020-03-24T02:52:03 < ds2> donno how well those paper will work for TP though or flushable 
2020-03-24T02:52:18 < doomba> if it disrupts the plumbing system that's a good thing tho
2020-03-24T02:52:25 < doomba> especially in murica
2020-03-24T02:53:13 < doomba> everything in murica is about buy buy buy. nothing is reusable. nothing is repurposable. everything must be a rent-seeker
2020-03-24T02:53:39 < doomba> they'd sell TP that explodes your plumbing once a month if they could get away with it
2020-03-24T02:53:46 < jly> lol
2020-03-24T02:54:04 < jly> an absolute shit show!
2020-03-24T02:54:07 < doomba> yep
2020-03-24T02:54:26 < doomba> i just installed these toilet valves that have a 5 year warranty
2020-03-24T02:54:27 < Cracki> apropos clogged drains, yt "drain addict". it's like a wild water ride
2020-03-24T02:54:33 < doomba> 5 year warranty... the only ones i could find.
2020-03-24T02:54:34 < Cracki> much fountaining
2020-03-24T02:54:44 < doomba> mothafucka... a toilet valve is supposed to be a lifetime warranty.
2020-03-24T02:54:51 < doomba> and the things started leaking after a month
2020-03-24T02:54:55 < Cracki> is any rubber in those?
2020-03-24T02:55:02 < doomba> they're plastic chinesium shit
2020-03-24T02:55:03 < Cracki> oh, a month? lol
2020-03-24T02:55:10 < doomba> designed to fail so you have to keep buying them
2020-03-24T02:55:12 < doomba> and they're like $30
2020-03-24T02:55:20 < Cracki> buy german. germans know their plumbing. I hear it's even gas tight.
2020-03-24T02:55:31 < doomba> nah
2020-03-24T02:55:52 < doomba> if any german-made toilet parts are sold in the US, there's a company here receiving them and tweaking them so they fail after a short time
2020-03-24T02:56:09 < Cracki> import via mexican border hopper
2020-03-24T02:56:57 < doomba> and they keep spinning the lifetime on things faster and faster
2020-03-24T02:57:01 < doomba> people think it's just iphones
2020-03-24T02:57:05 < doomba> it's _everything_ lol
2020-03-24T02:57:20 < doomba> your food expires 2 minutes after you go through the self-checkout.
2020-03-24T02:57:23 < jly> those motherfuckers
2020-03-24T02:57:30 < doomba> but it looks so good when you put it in the cart
2020-03-24T02:57:36 < jly> THE PANDEMIC MATE
2020-03-24T02:57:44 < jly> i better turn that fucking TV off
2020-03-24T02:57:57  * doomba tone polices jly
2020-03-24T02:58:06 < doomba> go ahead, cancel me
2020-03-24T02:58:45 < doomba> good thing china is back to normal operations
2020-03-24T03:00:18 < Cracki> yeah I love that I can order cheap mass produced shit from china. they have anything. if europe had this selection and price point, I'd be thrilled but you can't have it all
2020-03-24T03:00:32 < doomba> i wanna try to put all the heavy lifting in "the clouuuuuud" and do all my computing with self-made weirdshit out of stm32's and ARM SBCs
2020-03-24T03:00:45 < Cracki> plain fucking dc motor with a decent optical encoder on the end? hah. not in europe.
2020-03-24T03:00:51 < Cracki> not for cheap anyway
2020-03-24T03:01:01 < Cracki> good idea
2020-03-24T03:01:13 < Cracki> the hipsters these days carry their ipad and nothing else
2020-03-24T03:01:15 < doomba> in europe you still make cool stuff though
2020-03-24T03:01:20 < Cracki> all the heavy lifting in the cloud
2020-03-24T03:01:21 < doomba> USA makes... starbucks.
2020-03-24T03:01:22 < doomba> lol
2020-03-24T03:01:36 < Cracki> gargle stadia for gaming :D
2020-03-24T03:01:48 < doomba> i just need mosh and tmux
2020-03-24T03:02:08 < doomba> if my job wasn't webshit i could eliminate browsers
2020-03-24T03:02:17 < doomba> some day some day!
2020-03-24T03:03:04 < Cracki> emscripten wayland 
2020-03-24T03:03:48 < Cracki> it can do webgl. sparkly wobbly spinning desktop in firefart
2020-03-24T03:04:16 < doomba> wayfire
2020-03-24T03:08:48 < jly> help
2020-03-24T03:09:05  * doomba gives jly a xanax
2020-03-24T03:09:11 < jly> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/YQGNPAs5/finalboss.png
2020-03-24T03:09:15 < jly> he's here
2020-03-24T03:09:24 < doomba> oh that dude was easy
2020-03-24T03:09:47 < doomba> you just throw egg rolls at it until it explodes
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2020-03-24T03:37:13 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETZVklqXgAMM7fv?format=jpg&name=900x900
2020-03-24T03:37:22 < Laurenceb> musk has been smoking the weed again
2020-03-24T03:37:34 < Laurenceb> there are rows of speakers in the bottom on this "starship"
2020-03-24T03:48:56 < Laurenceb> wait wtf
2020-03-24T03:48:58 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAl88iKVcW4
2020-03-24T03:49:04 < Laurenceb> we're in meme world now
2020-03-24T03:51:54 < Laurenceb> inb4 he paid them
2020-03-24T04:13:58 < kakigate> who would have known
2020-03-24T04:14:49 < kakigate> little nigrs
2020-03-24T04:17:33 < kakigate> ah.. so in uk if someone kicks your taillights you are not legally allowed to chase them?
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2020-03-24T04:45:35 < kakigate> any lastlog answers to my question? this totally poo webchat has lastlog of like 100lines
2020-03-24T04:47:25 < kakigate> I mean running this piece of junk may be something like half a gig judged by how heavy it is
2020-03-24T04:47:41 < kakigate> but then there is 100lines of backlog
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2020-03-24T05:32:17 < dongs> https://www.mouser.com/new/memsic/memsic-mmc5883ma-magnetic-sensor/ heh
2020-03-24T05:32:22 < dongs> chinaclone'd
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2020-03-24T05:49:40 < englishman> nice
2020-03-24T05:49:45 < englishman> but isnt that like 10 years old now
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2020-03-24T06:19:13 < dongs> well, its been out of production since forever yes
2020-03-24T06:19:15 < dongs> the HMC one
2020-03-24T06:19:20 < dongs> there's a pin compatible china clone too
2020-03-24T06:19:24 < dongs> QMC5883 or whatever
2020-03-24T06:19:59 < dongs> i kinda stopped caring about mags long tiem ago, im sure there's osemthign recent now
2020-03-24T06:20:17 < dongs> my dickstarter pal is doing some airmouse type thing, im just gonna use MPU6050 because who cares
2020-03-24T06:20:24 < dongs> china still has millions of it in stock
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2020-03-24T07:12:35 < englishman> the nip government is doing the best job out of any country of controlling the numbers
2020-03-24T07:14:56 < kakimir> they wanted olympics
2020-03-24T07:15:29 < kakimir> but instead they fixed aging crisis
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2020-03-24T07:26:38 < kakimir> usb3 signals in 50ohm coax cables ok?
2020-03-24T07:28:42 < Streaker> isn't usb differential? and coax an unbalanced cable?
2020-03-24T07:30:40 < kakimir> that is why I asked
2020-03-24T07:52:07 < Spirit532> no, not ok
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2020-03-24T08:00:56 < kakimir> how do I connect usb3.0 socket
2020-03-24T08:01:01 < kakimir> to SMA inputs
2020-03-24T08:01:17 < kakimir> SMA's are only footprints
2020-03-24T08:01:19 < kakimir> not populated
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2020-03-24T08:16:29 < kakimir> I mean those sma footprints are nevertheless for diff signals
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2020-03-24T09:04:05 < jpa-> kakimir: what sma footprint is for differential signal?
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2020-03-24T09:32:48 < kakigate> jpa-: none
2020-03-24T09:33:12 < kakigate> but serdes pins are interfaced in fpga demo board via SMA
2020-03-24T09:33:28 < kakigate> serses = kinda fast diff pair tranceivers
2020-03-24T09:33:36 < kakigate> 5gbps
2020-03-24T09:33:49 < kakigate> *serder
2020-03-24T09:33:54 < kakigate> *serdes
2020-03-24T09:35:29 < kakigate> https://www.mouser.fi/datasheet/2/225/FPGA-EB-02017-1-0-ECP5-Evaluation-Board-1633766.pdf
2020-03-24T09:35:54 < kakigate> I don't think I need twice this price card that has pci-e and 2 gigabit ethernets
2020-03-24T09:35:59 < kakigate> and SDRAM
2020-03-24T09:36:04 < kakigate> this doesn't have SDRAM
2020-03-24T09:37:06 < kakigate> in pci-e card pci-e lines can be used via adapter board to usb3.0.. in this you need to use serdes test pins (SMA footprint)
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2020-03-24T09:50:15 < Ultrasauce> dont you want to write a dram controller
2020-03-24T09:52:38 < kakigate> nope
2020-03-24T09:52:44 < kakigate> also not strictly needed
2020-03-24T09:52:55 < kakigate> and also you don't write stuff like that
2020-03-24T09:53:21 < kakigate> it's provided/available or you do something else
2020-03-24T09:54:17 < jpa-> kakigate: well, i don't see what else you can do than just wire it; it won't be ideal, but it might work
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2020-03-24T10:22:56 < kakigate> I bet fcc cables do not take soldering
2020-03-24T10:23:07 < kakigate> well
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2020-03-24T10:24:51 < Steffanx> Gooday.
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2020-03-24T10:25:53 < jly> Hello young steffan
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2020-03-24T10:30:02 < Steffanx> hi jly-san
2020-03-24T10:30:40 < jly> how is the dutch place
2020-03-24T10:30:54 < Steffanx> Sunny, but cold.
2020-03-24T10:31:17 < kakigate> same as here
2020-03-24T10:31:26 < kakigate> Sun is here
2020-03-24T10:31:54 < Steffanx> 4 degrees celsius
2020-03-24T10:33:35 < Steffanx> Why didnt you invade the dutchlands in the past kakigate? You could've given us the sauna. Finlands greatest invention.
2020-03-24T10:34:05 < kakigate> Buy a sauna tent
2020-03-24T10:34:36 < Steffanx> nah
2020-03-24T10:35:41 < kakigate> I wouldn't
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2020-03-24T11:05:57 < kakigate> dongie dongs
2020-03-24T11:06:02 < kakigate> are you there?
2020-03-24T11:06:15 < kakigate> I need a connector system FCC type
2020-03-24T11:06:23 < kakigate> 0.5mm one sided
2020-03-24T11:06:29 < kakigate> 24contacts
2020-03-24T11:06:45 < Steffanx> Go visit that china parts shop.
2020-03-24T11:06:55 < kakigate> socket should have one 0.5mm pin row
2020-03-24T11:07:29 < kakigate> marvelous Steffanx.. I just realized I can solder another ffc socket to another board too
2020-03-24T11:07:45 < kakigate> so there is no soldering of fcc cables
2020-03-24T11:09:51 < Steffanx> Just make the entire pcb flexible. Why? Because in those times you just have to do things because you can.
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2020-03-24T11:56:47 < jadew> "Resta says that 50% of those with COVID-19 who are accepted into intensive care units in Italy are dying, compared with a usual mortality rate of 12% to 16% in such units nationwide."
2020-03-24T11:56:52 < jadew> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-ethics-speci/all-is-well-in-italy-triage-and-lies-for-virus-patients-idUSKBN2133KG
2020-03-24T11:59:23 < c_j_b> WHAT'S THAT??? 50% OF EVERYONE IS GOING TO DIE!!!????
2020-03-24T11:59:45 < jadew> the ones admitted to intensive care it seems
2020-03-24T12:01:32 < c_j_b> HALF OF THE WORLD POPULATION IS GOING TO DIE!!! STOP SAYING ANYTHING DIFFERENT, BOOMER DENIALIST!
2020-03-24T12:02:01 < c_j_b> (...was forced to watch a evening news programme tonight during dinner :/)
2020-03-24T12:02:57 < Cracki> don't blame the media. they just do their masters' bidding.
2020-03-24T12:03:38 < c_j_b> An actual thing said was "..all the health-care workers who are dying just trying to do their jobs..."  ....zero medics have died in Australia. 
2020-03-24T12:03:46 < Cracki> if you're accepted into *intensive* care, you're in critical condition. of course you're gonna die.
2020-03-24T12:03:53 < jadew> I have to say, this martial law shit is worrying me almost as much as the virus
2020-03-24T12:03:58 < Cracki> everyone who isn't stuck in there is doing fine
2020-03-24T12:04:05 < Cracki> it should worry you more
2020-03-24T12:04:51 < c_j_b> And with Italy's situtation, only the worst of the worst are getting ICU..
2020-03-24T12:04:55 < Cracki> they cheat, they lie, they make shit up
2020-03-24T12:04:56 < jadew> what worries me is that it can always take an evil turn
2020-03-24T12:05:13 < jadew> like in france with those masks mawk was talking about
2020-03-24T12:05:23 < Cracki> this is already the evil turn. you just aren't supposed to notice :D
2020-03-24T12:06:10 < jadew> also that, our government keeps people uninformed in the idea of "let's not create panic"
2020-03-24T12:06:35 < jadew> which means lots of idiots are out without masks, while the numbers are much higher than reported, because they can't test enough
2020-03-24T12:06:57 < jadew> which is now evident in the rather high number of first deaths
2020-03-24T12:07:04 < jadew> in 48 hours we had 7 deaths
2020-03-24T12:07:30 < c_j_b> imho in AU, the ones saying the "governement is letting people dies!!!" is the fucking ABC framing things to be the most clickbaitable.
2020-03-24T12:07:58 < Cracki> they can perfectly keep people calm and informed at the same time. all it takes is reassurance and an explanation of the numbers. not this fear mongering.
2020-03-24T12:08:12 < jadew> Cracki, I agree
2020-03-24T12:08:19 < c_j_b> Also the Finance Reporter keeps making jokes that people take seriously.
2020-03-24T12:08:21 < Cracki> tell me the ages of those that died?
2020-03-24T12:08:29 < jadew> Cracki, in here?
2020-03-24T12:08:35 < Cracki> y
2020-03-24T12:08:35 < jadew> let me check
2020-03-24T12:09:02 < Cracki> I'd bet average age is within years of life expectancy
2020-03-24T12:09:10 < jadew> oh, sorry, there were 7 dead in 24 hours
2020-03-24T12:09:44 < c_j_b> Consdering the symptoms, I've had two cronoavirus infections in the past (obs not '19)
2020-03-24T12:09:53 < Cracki> you have 700 deaths in romania every day figuring from population and life expectancy.
2020-03-24T12:10:36 < jadew> nr. 7: 65 yo male
2020-03-24T12:10:40 < c_j_b> Oh no, not Olimex ;_;
2020-03-24T12:10:47 < jadew> 6: 64 yo male
2020-03-24T12:11:01 < jadew> 5: 71 yo male
2020-03-24T12:11:08 < Cracki> I'm losing my bet! you have 75y life expectancy
2020-03-24T12:11:20 < jadew> 4: 72 yo female
2020-03-24T12:11:35 < jadew> looking for data on the first 3
2020-03-24T12:11:36 < c_j_b> (ah, they're Bulgarian..)
2020-03-24T12:12:19 < jadew> the other 3 are a 70 yo male
2020-03-24T12:12:35 < jadew> and the other two are 67 and 74 - don't know the gender
2020-03-24T12:12:51 < c_j_b> Would also like ABC to stop asking anyone with a medical cert "WHAT'S THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO??"
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2020-03-24T12:13:06 < jadew> the 70 one had diabetes and hypertension - who doesn't?
2020-03-24T12:13:12 < c_j_b> "The virus makes everyone want to have sex with cats. That's the worst--case scenario."
2020-03-24T12:13:29 < jadew> the other two had other severe illnesses - according to the news article
2020-03-24T12:13:30 < Cracki> diabetes and hypertension makes overweight likely
2020-03-24T12:13:48 < jadew> Cracki, right, I wonder if that's a factor
2020-03-24T12:13:56 < Cracki> that's what I've been saying, this virus kills "easy prey"
2020-03-24T12:14:17 < jadew> if I get out of this, I'll be out in the park, exercising daily
2020-03-24T12:14:24 < jadew> and I'll enjoy life more
2020-03-24T12:14:35 < jadew> stakes, fruit, picnics, and more sex
2020-03-24T12:14:56 < jadew> and less work
2020-03-24T12:15:13 < PaulFertser> jadew: it's an interesting statement, can you make it verifiable by specifying some metric and gathering some data to have statistics for the next year?
2020-03-24T12:15:18 < Cracki> these people barely hang on.
2020-03-24T12:15:30 < Cracki> yes make more children
2020-03-24T12:15:38 < jadew> PaulFertser, which statement?
2020-03-24T12:15:43 < PaulFertser> jadew: that you'll enjoy life more
2020-03-24T12:16:04 < jadew> you want me to count how many stakes I'll eat while having a picnic?
2020-03-24T12:16:47 < PaulFertser> jadew: i think that would help quantify the improvements in your life enjoyment, yes.
2020-03-24T12:17:14 < jadew> I feel like it would take something from the experience
2020-03-24T12:17:19 < Cracki> how do you measure happiness? by happy faces on a calendar?
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2020-03-24T12:17:47 < jadew> I think there will be a spike in happiness after this is over
2020-03-24T12:18:01 < jadew> because happiness requires things to be bad first
2020-03-24T12:18:26 < jadew> as I think happiness is directly related to the pyramid of needs, and to fulfilling those needs
2020-03-24T12:18:26 < PaulFertser> Yep and they're going to be relatively bad after, but less bad.
2020-03-24T12:18:36 < jadew> but in order to register, you have to have unmet needs first
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2020-03-24T12:19:44 < jadew> so after this shit is done, 80% of the population will feel happiness just by being able to wipe their ass with toilet paper
2020-03-24T12:21:08 < qyx> :D
2020-03-24T12:22:20 < PaulFertser> I am sure there exists a non-intrusive app that you can use each time you feel happy or unhappy or at the end of a day to record "how was your day: 0-5", and so that would give at least some statistics.
2020-03-24T12:23:03 < jadew> there's one for women to record their sexual encounters
2020-03-24T12:23:12 < jadew> and I think they can add notes on that too
2020-03-24T12:23:29 < jadew> they can add tags
2020-03-24T12:25:30 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: google hedonistic treadmill
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2020-03-24T12:25:57 < BrainDamage> there's some more or less serious resarch on it
2020-03-24T12:27:59 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: interesting! So let's make an experiment to determine if the current events change the jadew's setpoint :)
2020-03-24T12:28:19 < jadew> assuming I live
2020-03-24T12:30:03 < PaulFertser> That's highly likely
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2020-03-24T12:30:18 < jadew> PaulFertser, that's what I'm telling myself
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2020-03-24T12:31:26 < karlp> jadew: heh, I said that the martial law was the real purpose of the disease a while ago, this whole thing just aa test run to see how many powers could be collected :)
2020-03-24T12:34:23 < jadew> karlp, even if it isn't, I'm sure it will be used for that purpose in some countries, or at the very least as an experiment
2020-03-24T12:35:00 < karlp> israel, hungary, uk so far...
2020-03-24T12:35:24 < karlp> been a little surprrised the us hasn't been sneaking things in, but I've nto followed them too closely
2020-03-24T12:36:41 < jadew> what did they sneak in?
2020-03-24T12:36:45 < BrainDamage> here the law has explicitly a concept called "emergency state" which allows higher power, but makes any ruling associated to those powers confined to the duration of the emergency itself
2020-03-24T12:36:54 < Streaker> they're going to steal your precious bodily fluids
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2020-03-24T12:37:13 < karlp> our govermnent has tried to reactivate somethign that lets the police compel anyone to do any job they require, without pay.
2020-03-24T12:37:22 < jadew> BrainDamage, same here, but it can be extended
2020-03-24T12:37:33 < karlp> (it's not getting through, even her own party was like, uhhh, you'd better fix that dusty old law you found first y0"
2020-03-24T12:37:37 < kakigate> karlp: why?
2020-03-24T12:37:56 < jadew> karlp, jeez...
2020-03-24T12:37:59 < jadew> that is worrying
2020-03-24T12:38:11 < karlp> neh, not happening here at least.
2020-03-24T12:38:13 < kakigate> there is no ficial solution to tasks anymore to expected problems?
2020-03-24T12:38:42 < karlp> more worrying to me is that the conservatives here are riding this wave, "look how we're saving everything, we're fucking great" but it's really just what any of them would have done
2020-03-24T12:39:08 < kakigate> I mean every propper country has such law in case shtf
2020-03-24T12:40:27 < kakigate> in finland that law didn't pass
2020-03-24T12:40:32 < kakigate> for now
2020-03-24T12:40:56 < jadew> they might have it, but it strips you away of any dignity and free will
2020-03-24T12:41:12 < jadew> it's right there with the ability of taking your private shit, like you're nothing
2020-03-24T12:41:46 < jadew> "we don't care you might also need this thing. we want it more."
2020-03-24T12:41:50 < kakigate> thou are propperty of the state
2020-03-24T12:42:12 < jadew> yeah, that's pretty much what martial law seems to mean
2020-03-24T12:42:41 < jadew> you suddenly turn from member of society to subject
2020-03-24T12:43:35 < kakigate> I have no problem with such laws but while goverment has big capital intrests whispering into their ear that is a big problem
2020-03-24T12:43:50 < kakigate> if such law is activated
2020-03-24T12:43:53 < doomba> "memeber of society" == "subject"
2020-03-24T12:43:59 < jadew> once this happens I guess we can only hope that people in power are not lunatics and don't vote in any law that can have unwanted consequences
2020-03-24T12:44:00 < doomba> == "compute node"
2020-03-24T12:44:12 < jadew> like people getting beat for protecting their property
2020-03-24T12:44:32 < kakigate> once such happens situation is very dire in any measure
2020-03-24T12:45:45 < kakigate> there is major fisical problems and societal problems or elite just goes into full thug mode
2020-03-24T12:46:25 < kakigate> or both
2020-03-24T12:47:12 < jadew> remember those videos from china in which people were being beaten and dragged out of their homes for compulsory quarantine in those concentration camps?
2020-03-24T12:47:30 < kakigate> sure
2020-03-24T12:47:46 < jadew> under martial law, we're one bad law away from that
2020-03-24T12:48:03 < jadew> and they get into effect 2 hours after they're issued
2020-03-24T12:48:20 < kakigate> in china they don't need martial law
2020-03-24T12:48:21 < jadew> so they could issue it in the morning and by night you're beaten and locked
2020-03-24T12:48:35 < BrainDamage> there's long term consequences of that
2020-03-24T12:48:45 < kakigate> in china they are the law
2020-03-24T12:48:50 < BrainDamage> if you do it, you better not let the choke hold loosen
2020-03-24T12:48:57 < BrainDamage> or people will jump back at you
2020-03-24T12:49:24 < BrainDamage> china has people under strangehold since decades, information control, strict military enforcement, etc
2020-03-24T12:49:40 < jadew> BrainDamage, that's an interesting point
2020-03-24T12:49:53 < kakigate> BrainDamage: not just decades
2020-03-24T12:49:58 < kakigate> it's the history of china
2020-03-24T12:50:56 < BrainDamage> jadew: the only way you can do stuff like that in a western country is somewhat convince the masses that the crappy measures are necessary
2020-03-24T12:51:35 < jadew> you think there would be mass disobedience?
2020-03-24T12:51:36 < kakigate> you think it's this one?
2020-03-24T12:52:06 < BrainDamage> eg we still have people who complain harshly how the government handled the g8 in genoa in 2001
2020-03-24T12:53:27 < doomba> i find it interesting that in today's age of the black rectangle, people still think governments use the threat of violence to rule over their people
2020-03-24T12:54:12 < jadew> BrainDamage, we had a similar occurrence last year
2020-03-24T12:54:56 < jadew> it's clear to everyone that government can go overboard and the guys who are "just following orders" will actually follow those orders
2020-03-24T12:54:58 < kakigate> doomba: me too
2020-03-24T12:55:10 < doomba> governments' only jobs now are to ensure people buy the products the governments' corporate owners tell them to.
2020-03-24T12:55:28 < BrainDamage> government mandated violence still exists
2020-03-24T12:55:57 < BrainDamage> it just doesn't come without consequences, but it's easy and effective
2020-03-24T12:56:00 < doomba> by this time next year, we'll all be gone. especially me.
2020-03-24T12:56:20 < doomba> maybe about 15 people will be left. 14 of them will be bots. and one of them will be the most obedient slave to the new world order.
2020-03-24T12:56:28 < karlp> well, that will be a relief, we can maybe have a little less of this being a cesspit of tinfoil hattery 
2020-03-24T12:56:45 < doomba> i nominate you, karlp. to be that bootlicker that remains.
2020-03-24T12:57:22 < doomba> i will lobby for you. you're the best man for the job!
2020-03-24T12:59:41 < BrainDamage> oh and one thing, no matter how advanced your society is, you'll always have episodes of violence as long as you allow people free agency
2020-03-24T13:00:08 < BrainDamage> the quality of the society, you can measure in the frequency they happen
2020-03-24T13:00:29 < BrainDamage> ( it goes both ways, people driven to desperation and people abusing others )
2020-03-24T13:00:34 < jadew> the more, the better?
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2020-03-24T13:03:29 < tcth> how´s the world out there today? still silly?
2020-03-24T13:04:39 < karlp> sunny and not as windy.
2020-03-24T13:05:08 < karlp> BrainDamage: you don't believe we can reach a higher plane? 
2020-03-24T13:05:19 < karlp> only have violence against other species?
2020-03-24T13:09:34 < mawk> lol
2020-03-24T13:10:34 < mawk> martial law wouldn't hurt in france atm
2020-03-24T13:10:44 < karlp> don't you already have it?
2020-03-24T13:10:51 < karlp> a friend is sailing the world, 
2020-03-24T13:10:57 < mawk> we have state of emergency since terror attacks
2020-03-24T13:11:03 < mawk> but it's not martial law
2020-03-24T13:11:05 < karlp> currently landed in french st martin.
2020-03-24T13:11:08 < mawk> the army has absolutely no power in france
2020-03-24T13:11:19 < karlp> took the kids to a beach (noö-one else on the beach but htem) for exercise
2020-03-24T13:11:23 < mawk> if army guys see a robbery or whatever, they can't even intervene, let alone use their weapons
2020-03-24T13:11:30 < karlp> police showed up and told them to go back to their boat
2020-03-24T13:11:31 < mawk> nice
2020-03-24T13:11:35 < mawk> yeah
2020-03-24T13:11:37 < mawk> there's confinement
2020-03-24T13:11:59 < mawk> 135€ fee if you're outside without a special government authorization
2020-03-24T13:12:09 < mawk> 1500€ if you do it again, then prison if you do it again
2020-03-24T13:12:13 < mawk> but it only works on civilized people
2020-03-24T13:12:32 < mawk> the police doesn't even try to enforce confinment in the Saint-Denis suburb area of Paris
2020-03-24T13:13:03 < mawk> the law only works on those that fear the state
2020-03-24T13:13:10 < karlp> that's not true.
2020-03-24T13:13:23 < karlp> it doesn't have to be fear,
2020-03-24T13:13:48 < mawk> if you understand the law it's even better yes
2020-03-24T13:13:52 < mawk> and do it willingly
2020-03-24T13:13:58 < mawk> but that's a false hope for most people
2020-03-24T13:14:23 < mawk> "we're young, we don't fear that virus, stop talking about it and let us go outside"
2020-03-24T13:14:29 < mawk> that's what you hear on tv
2020-03-24T13:20:17 < Cracki> at least london now has something that overshadows knife crime
2020-03-24T13:21:48 < Cracki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8104412/london-stabbings-2019-knife-crime-statistics/
2020-03-24T13:23:26 < tcth> ´knife crime´ wtf is that even supposed to mean
2020-03-24T13:23:27 < Cracki> if I had to pick, I'd rather die when I'm 80, than randomly in the middle of my life
2020-03-24T13:23:33 < Cracki> it means you get stabbed to death
2020-03-24T13:23:54 < Cracki> i.e. knives fly around and stab you, no people involved at all, no sir
2020-03-24T13:24:22 < tcth> "This is nothing but a national crisis. Some teenagers see either being murdered or killing another person as a rite of passage when that used to be getting a job or going to university."
2020-03-24T13:24:23 < tcth> wtf
2020-03-24T13:24:23 < jadew> our president just announced a couple of minutes ago stricter quarantine measures and that the army is going to enforce them
2020-03-24T13:24:41 < tcth> Cracki :D
2020-03-24T13:24:44 < jadew> people over 65 are strictly forbidden from leaving the house
2020-03-24T13:24:47 < Cracki> dying, a rite of passage. hm... they must believe in the afterlife
2020-03-24T13:25:03 < Cracki> yes, protect vulnerable groups!
2020-03-24T13:25:44 < Cracki> contact with sick and older people should also be restricted to keep them from getitng infected. just locking them up at home doesn't do that.
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2020-03-24T13:26:23 < jadew> yep, I had a hard time convincing my grandmother to stop accepting visits from anyone
2020-03-24T13:26:37 < jadew> I think she understands the danger now
2020-03-24T13:26:50 < Cracki> telephone!
2020-03-24T13:26:57 < jadew> yep, that's what I said
2020-03-24T13:27:00 < Cracki> or, hell, if the weather permits, chat off a balcony
2020-03-24T13:27:07 < jadew> and that she shouldn't even open the door
2020-03-24T13:27:13 < tcth> https://blog.zapb.de/stm32f1-exceptional-failure/
2020-03-24T13:27:40 < Cracki> they give percentages in the 90s, but not perfect
2020-03-24T13:27:44 < Cracki> what's preventing that
2020-03-24T13:28:13 < Cracki> any particular corners they just can't reach?
2020-03-24T13:29:14 < Cracki> I see no answers there :S one of the authors was here recently, what was his name again
2020-03-24T13:33:57 < Cracki> those percentages might be calculated or empirical. if they're calculated... ah, it's related to those 32-element vector tables.
2020-03-24T13:34:49 < Cracki> those percentages are almost integer for 128 * np.array([0.914, 0.891, 0.945]) == array([116.992, 114.048, 120.96 ])
2020-03-24T13:43:41 < mawk> they maybe can't reach all the bytes since they can't use all the interrupts
2020-03-24T13:43:54 < mawk> exceptions rather
2020-03-24T13:50:07 < Cracki> I suspect it's some sieve like pattern all over, where they can reach x of 128 bytes repeatedly
2020-03-24T13:50:29 < Cracki> so I guess you can interpolate the missing bytes from what instruction would make the most sense there
2020-03-24T13:50:44 < PaulFertser> Or data
2020-03-24T13:50:55 < Cracki> yes, you only have 256 choices per byte :>
2020-03-24T13:50:59 < Cracki> in both cases
2020-03-24T13:51:59 < Cracki> disassembly should kinda work, and you know exactly what bytes you're missing
2020-03-24T13:52:49 < doomba> the vector table stuff looks to have the same pattern as the unfetchable addresses
2020-03-24T13:55:01 < PaulFertser> known-plaintext attacks might also be applicable in certain cases
2020-03-24T13:55:43 < PaulFertser> Because you might have access to encrypted firmware updates
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2020-03-24T13:59:43 < specing> if you set multiple bits in ADC chsel and then trigger ADC in absence of any other settings, how do you know which channel it just converted? I assume it goes around the chsel list in the chosen direction and advances by one on every trigger?
2020-03-24T14:01:49 < Cracki> what stm32 is that?
2020-03-24T14:02:14 < specing> Cracki: f072rb
2020-03-24T14:02:58 < specing> I was hoping there would be a "converted channel register" that would say that
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2020-03-24T14:03:07 < zyp> no, you just have to know
2020-03-24T14:03:39 < Cracki> are you sure it's a bit vector and not the number of the channel?
2020-03-24T14:03:39 < zyp> also, if you're selecting more than one channel you ought to use DMA
2020-03-24T14:03:45 < karlp> ^ ^ ^ 
2020-03-24T14:04:01 < Cracki> rm doesn't contain "chsel". what do you mean specifically
2020-03-24T14:04:05 < zyp> Cracki, if it's like the ADC in other families, it's a list of channel numbers
2020-03-24T14:04:18 < Cracki> nvm, got the programming manual...
2020-03-24T14:04:23 < Cracki> ic
2020-03-24T14:05:16 < zyp> specing, if you wanna read like 5 channels, you set up a 5-word DMA job, point it at a 5-entry buffer and start it
2020-03-24T14:05:32 < zyp> then the contents of your buffer match the order you asked for in the channel list
2020-03-24T14:06:44 < zyp> if you want a continous capture, you can set the DMA to circular mode
2020-03-24T14:11:11 < doomba> covid-19 is stressful, sign up for auto-pay!
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2020-03-24T14:12:08 < doomba> donate money to EFF to help us keep sending you requests for donation in this great time of need and covid-19!
2020-03-24T14:12:46 < BrainDamage> the EFF at least does a decent job at its mission goal
2020-03-24T14:12:56 < BrainDamage> even if now there's other priorities
2020-03-24T14:12:59 < doomba> now is a great time to sign up for our telemetry botnet to get the latest on covid-19!
2020-03-24T14:13:39 < BrainDamage> you know that people at the EFF wrote several pieces of software that contribute to the safety and privacy on the internet, right?
2020-03-24T14:13:44 < BrainDamage> like https everywhere
2020-03-24T14:13:46 < doomba> Digikey is committed to spamming you more because covid-19! we have all the parts you need!
2020-03-24T14:13:49 < specing> jadew: "Large hospital in NE Romania closes after 52 doctors and nurses tested positive for the new coronavirus"
2020-03-24T14:13:51 < specing> kek
2020-03-24T14:13:51 < karlp> no, doomba isn't really into reality
2020-03-24T14:14:08 < jadew> specing, yeah...
2020-03-24T14:15:36 < doomba> you want me to buy stuff. tell me you're gonna donate it to help people with the bat flu
2020-03-24T14:15:47 < doomba> but none of the emails i've received so far have said any such thing.
2020-03-24T14:16:28 < doomba> the auto-pay ones were the funniest
2020-03-24T14:17:44 < doomba> IMPORTANT update from <your wireless carrier> regarding COVID-19 - As a company that cares deeply about our community and employees, we're taking all the necessary measures to continue to provide dependable service you can count on during challenging times. Sign up for auto-pay, motherfucker.
2020-03-24T14:19:20 < BrainDamage> you're becoming more and more monotonous
2020-03-24T14:21:39 < englishman> and out of nowhere
2020-03-24T14:22:03 < PaulFertser> It seems that WHO recommendations for the medical personnel are not fully adequate (judging by how many doctors get ill), or am I missing something important?
2020-03-24T14:22:35 < specing> PaulFertser: lack of PPE
2020-03-24T14:22:48 < BrainDamage> doctors can also get ill outside patient care
2020-03-24T14:23:03 < jadew> what I'd appreciate from my mobile phone provider is if they started tracking everyone and made something like s. korea has
2020-03-24T14:23:09 < PaulFertser> specing: WHO doesn't say they need to wear anything special most of the time, only during the "aerosol-producing manipulations".
2020-03-24T14:23:17 < englishman> BrainDamage: do you like cats
2020-03-24T14:23:31 < karlp> jadew: damn man, you were just saying you  were afraid of the  police state, now yhou're requesting it?!
2020-03-24T14:24:00 < jadew> karlp, I'm afraid the thin line might be crossed
2020-03-24T14:24:26 < jadew> but until that line is reached, we're not doing enough
2020-03-24T14:24:57 < doomba> once that line is crossed, there's no going back.
2020-03-24T14:24:59 < BrainDamage> englishman: who doesn't?
2020-03-24T14:25:43 < englishman> karlp but we don't send him any
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2020-03-24T14:28:46 < englishman> BrainDamage: fresh kittens https://streamable.com/vjmf6
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2020-03-24T14:39:06 < PaulFertser> Humans are better (especially after training) than cats in almost everything (night vision would be an obvious exception here). And yet many of us enjoy watching cats in action more. Weird.
2020-03-24T14:39:34 < jadew> we watch more sports than cat videos
2020-03-24T14:40:11 < jadew> oh, you said "many of us", missed that
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2020-03-24T14:43:24 < jpa-> PaulFertser: and jumping
2020-03-24T14:43:27 < jpa-> and looking cute
2020-03-24T14:49:43 < englishman> can you jump 4x your height
2020-03-24T14:49:45 < englishman> i think not
2020-03-24T14:50:05 < englishman> can you sleep 19 hours per day
2020-03-24T14:50:07 < englishman> i think not
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2020-03-24T15:19:21 < Steffanx> Can you force your butler to get you some food? Let you out? etc. :P
2020-03-24T15:19:27 < Steffanx> i have no butler sadly.
2020-03-24T15:20:00 < Thorn> Putin visits coronavirus hospital https://twitter.com/dimsmirnov175/status/1242439080836771841
2020-03-24T15:20:32 < Steffanx> Why putin gets to be the yellow one?
2020-03-24T15:20:41 < karlp> so the snipers know where to aim?
2020-03-24T15:20:44 < Steffanx> is that so its easier to know who to snipe
2020-03-24T15:20:46 < Steffanx> ylol
2020-03-24T15:20:48  * karlp laughs
2020-03-24T15:21:15 < jadew> that's probably the best suit they could get
2020-03-24T15:21:58 < Thorn> the yellow one has a hole
2020-03-24T15:22:12 < aandrew> jadew: how is .ro?
2020-03-24T15:22:17 < Steffanx> DEAD
2020-03-24T15:22:30 < jadew> aandrew, don't know
2020-03-24T15:22:43 < jadew> seems to be bad
2020-03-24T15:23:28 < jadew> unlike wealthier countries, we don't really have a buffer I think (we can't hold off too many active cases at once), so I think we'll stay at this level of quarantine until it's all over
2020-03-24T15:23:54 < Steffanx> none can hold of too many at once.
2020-03-24T15:24:00 < Steffanx> lol that the idea behind "too many" :P
2020-03-24T15:24:11 < jadew> heh
2020-03-24T15:25:03 < jadew> that's true, my point was that we can't deal with this like Italy did, we would have much more dead
2020-03-24T15:25:25 < Cracki> not even westerners have the capacity. they make icus and quarantine wards from normal wards where usually people are booked for elective surgeries and overnight observation
2020-03-24T15:25:39 < Steffanx> what Cracki said
2020-03-24T15:25:48 < jadew> yeah, that's what we're doing too
2020-03-24T15:26:12 < Steffanx> We even turn hotel rooms into hosptital rooms atm
2020-03-24T15:26:15 < jadew> we only had 1300 ICU units and they're working on getting that number to 2500
2020-03-24T15:26:20 < Cracki> maybe westerners have more capacity for electives like hip replacement and ripping out veins ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2020-03-24T15:26:21 < Steffanx> hospital,
2020-03-24T15:26:38 < Steffanx> How many people are there in romanialand jadew?
2020-03-24T15:26:50 < jadew> Steffanx, less than 20 million I think
2020-03-24T15:26:53 < Steffanx> I recall dutchland had 1500.
2020-03-24T15:26:57 < Steffanx> for 17M people.
2020-03-24T15:27:00 < jadew> the number has dropped considerably
2020-03-24T15:27:09 < jadew> ah, so it's fairly comparable
2020-03-24T15:27:58 < Cracki> are you sure it's 20? not 60?
2020-03-24T15:28:13 < Cracki> romania doesn't look that small
2020-03-24T15:28:33 < Cracki> nvm, you should know that better than anyone here :P
2020-03-24T15:28:40 < jadew> :)
2020-03-24T15:28:53 < jadew> we used to be ~24 million, but many left
2020-03-24T15:28:56 < jpa-> if only we had some magic system we could ask trivial questions and receive instant replies
2020-03-24T15:29:01 < specing> Romania will look a lot smaller after this :)
2020-03-24T15:29:02 < jadew> last I heard we were less than 20 million
2020-03-24T15:29:05 < Cracki> google doesn't load for me rn
2020-03-24T15:29:07 < jadew> lol specing 
2020-03-24T15:29:10 < specing> jadew: 4 million left? WTf
2020-03-24T15:29:19 < jpa-> after joining EU?
2020-03-24T15:29:40 < jadew> jpa-, yep
2020-03-24T15:29:51 < Cracki> on the one hand, you're supposed to google. on the other, you're not supposed to use that knowledge because you only googled it.
2020-03-24T15:30:17 < Cracki> is knowledge supposed to spontaneously pop into your head, or are you supposed to declare truths and the world changes to fit?
2020-03-24T15:31:36 < jpa-> "you're not supposed to use that knowledge because you only googled it"  uh what?
2020-03-24T15:32:28 < jadew> google says we were 19.53e6 in 2018, on a downwards trend
2020-03-24T15:34:13 < jadew> many valuable people left, but also lots of net negative ones
2020-03-24T15:35:18 < Cracki> how does .ro treat businesses from outside countries that want to open factories, or even research and development?
2020-03-24T15:35:35 < Cracki> I'd think it's an attractive place
2020-03-24T15:35:41 < jadew> Cracki, it is
2020-03-24T15:35:47 < jadew> we have lots of big companies here
2020-03-24T15:38:00 < jadew> NI, Analog Devices
2020-03-24T15:38:02 < Cracki> do high school graduates get stipends to study abroad? any incentive (like pay back zero) to work 1/2/5 years at home afterwards?
2020-03-24T15:38:08 < jadew> Mentor Graphics is here too
2020-03-24T15:38:32 < jadew> Cracki, I don't know, we might
2020-03-24T15:38:50 < Cracki> govt can do a lot to reduce or reverse brain drain
2020-03-24T15:39:00 < jadew> they did
2020-03-24T15:39:12 < jadew> for one, IT income is tax free
2020-03-24T15:39:16 < Cracki> !
2020-03-24T15:40:35 < jadew> we were hemorrhaging programmers at one point and that helped
2020-03-24T15:44:37 < Laurenceb> https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=16026950&cid=59866458
2020-03-24T15:45:26 < jadew> lol
2020-03-24T16:02:03 < englishman> any alternatives to ufgx in 2020
2020-03-24T16:02:15 < englishman> that are equally ez to use
2020-03-24T16:02:21 < englishman> for drawing lines and other crap
2020-03-24T16:03:08 < sync> aidsfruit
2020-03-24T16:05:51 < englishman> ez not aidsy
2020-03-24T16:07:01 < specing> jadew: what, IT income is tax free? Really
2020-03-24T16:07:03 < Thorn> englishman: littlevgl
2020-03-24T16:07:04 < specing> no income tax?
2020-03-24T16:08:09 < englishman> thats pretty cool Thorn but it's not for a gui just for some lines and text
2020-03-24T16:08:14 < englishman> an output demo
2020-03-24T16:09:09 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/meduzaproject/status/1242449795387703296
2020-03-24T16:09:31 < Laurenceb> >adafruit
2020-03-24T16:09:40 < Laurenceb> I hate to think how lame their shit will be
2020-03-24T16:09:47 < Laurenceb> ugfx all the way
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2020-03-24T17:35:25 < tcth> c´mon man
2020-03-24T17:48:15 < Steffanx> hm is tcth alright? Do you know?
2020-03-24T17:49:17 < BrainDamage> this week apparently people are into eggs
2020-03-24T17:49:27 < BrainDamage> egg is the new bread
2020-03-24T17:49:47 < Steffanx> here its flower.
2020-03-24T17:49:57 < BrainDamage> it's kind of weird how everything is well stocked except that single product
2020-03-24T17:50:12 < BrainDamage> flower flour?
2020-03-24T17:50:18 < Steffanx> flour
2020-03-24T17:50:19 < Steffanx> lol
2020-03-24T17:50:24 < tcth> BrainDamage, positive feedback loop...
2020-03-24T17:50:40 < tcth> ´oh this is running out? let´s buy much more of that than usual.´
2020-03-24T17:51:24 < BrainDamage> as long as it cycles I can't complain, I don't like monotonous cooking anyway
2020-03-24T17:53:02 < PaulFertser> BTW, we have some supermarkets working 24*7 so it's nice and fast to buy food there at about 4am, no queues at all.
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2020-03-24T17:53:59 < BrainDamage> here they intentionally limited supermarket times because our economy is based off small and medium companies
2020-03-24T17:54:17 < BrainDamage> they'd kill the economy if they were to allow supermarkets to go on in this crysis time
2020-03-24T17:54:44 < BrainDamage> however, I didn't encounter particular queue, just 3 people in line at the cash register
2020-03-24T17:55:24 < PaulFertser> I am not following, sorry.
2020-03-24T17:55:43 < karlp> italy generally avoided the devouring of corner shops by large supermarket chains
2020-03-24T17:55:55 < karlp> only way of doing that is preventing them from having the extended hours that their size lets them do
2020-03-24T17:56:08 < karlp> I remember the same argument in australia as a child.
2020-03-24T17:56:28 < tcth> meanwhile in trumpland: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-technology-encryption-idUSKBN20F1ZP
2020-03-24T17:56:29 < PaulFertser> I see, so it was a general policy for long time, not something specific to current events.
2020-03-24T17:56:42 < karlp> correct. (unless I've very much misunderstood mr damage)
2020-03-24T17:56:52 < BrainDamage> while it was a general policy, they've restricted them further during the crysis
2020-03-24T17:57:06 < BrainDamage> while eg they could occasionally open during weekends, now ist verboten
2020-03-24T17:58:16 < karlp> what is a weekend these daays anyway? :)
2020-03-24T17:58:25 < karlp> it's like good friday here day after day after day
2020-03-24T17:58:36 < karlp> I'm kind ahoping one of the tv channels starts showing groundhog day, ever day.
2020-03-24T18:00:55 < BrainDamage> that law is pretty disgusting and pretty much unenforceable
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2020-03-24T18:10:15 < BrainDamage> also, doubly disgusting that they are attempting to pass it now under the noise of the crysis
2020-03-24T18:21:16 < Steffanx> is crysis the new crisis? or just a crying sis?
2020-03-24T18:21:26 < Steffanx> or the computer game
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2020-03-24T18:47:39 < Laurenceb> >Pride cancelled due to coronavirus
2020-03-24T18:47:42 < Laurenceb> Cracki btfo'd
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2020-03-24T18:52:11 < specing> Coronavirus pride parade!
2020-03-24T18:52:16 < specing> we need it
2020-03-24T18:52:22 < specing> enough with the coronashaming
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2020-03-24T19:00:50 < Cracki> last time I saw a pride parade must have been 2013 or 2014
2020-03-24T19:00:56 < Cracki> it was... useless
2020-03-24T19:01:18 < Cracki> the kind of parade I'd look forward to isn't done these days
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2020-03-24T19:47:40 < englishman> Attackers might be trying to steal your information from wiki.ugfx.io (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). Learn more
2020-03-24T19:48:11 < englishman> let's encrypt crap expired 10 days ago
2020-03-24T19:49:20 < doomba> Click here to enter all of your information into our Attack Checker. It will notify you if the attackers have attempted to steal your information.
2020-03-24T19:50:00 < Steffanx> lol tcth
2020-03-24T19:50:21 < doomba> Dear englishman, it appears that the attackers have stolen your information. Click here to sign up for our data protection service. Sincerely, Equifax.
2020-03-24T19:52:45 < Steffanx> You're fired tcth
2020-03-24T19:55:25 < specing> PaulFertser: 24/7 supermarkets? Must be expensive food to pay for 3 shifts of staff
2020-03-24T19:56:38 < PaulFertser> specing: nope, somehow it's not expensive in the end. At least not for some big players.
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2020-03-24T19:59:01 < jpa-> i think i have learned this lesson before, but now i learned it again: using -fdata-sections or not using -fno-common affect performance of global variables quite a lot, because they cause gcc to load the address separately for each variable
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2020-03-24T20:15:26 < jadew> https://imgur.com/ML4gaeu
2020-03-24T20:17:02 < jadew> specing, yep, no income tax
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2020-03-24T20:18:53 < jadew> that is because the IT sector, even with the cuts, brings 300% per employee to the budget, compared to the average
2020-03-24T20:19:14 < jadew> or almost 300%
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2020-03-24T20:25:03 < doomba> PaulFertser: they don't pay the employees
2020-03-24T20:25:48 < doomba> walmart pays enough to get to work
2020-03-24T20:26:05 < doomba> the rest comes from taxpayers
2020-03-24T20:26:16 < onio> Hi I am trying to send I2C data with the STM32H750 micro-controller using HAL_I2C_Master_Transmit_IT() but does not seem to working. Do I need to add a callback function as all the example I have seen are not using one
2020-03-24T20:27:27 < onio> I found this page https://cpp.hotexamples.com/examples/-/-/HAL_I2C_Master_Transmit_IT/cpp-hal_i2c_master_transmit_it-function-examples.html
2020-03-24T20:27:41 < onio> but does not work for me
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2020-03-24T20:31:59 < onio> So this my function that I have written based on the page I sent https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VgKJXYx6Nw/
2020-03-24T20:32:31 < onio> Without the interrupt it works but I want to send the data over using interrupt
2020-03-24T20:38:26 < Cracki> onio, find the docs for HAL of H7
2020-03-24T20:39:04 < onio> Cracki, cool thanks.
2020-03-24T20:40:08 < Cracki> also, what does happen instead of what you expect?
2020-03-24T20:41:13 < onio> it does not return after the call. 
2020-03-24T20:41:56 < onio> in my last post if I set a breakpoint on line 42 it never gets there
2020-03-24T20:46:44 < Steffanx> Are you using the code generator onio?
2020-03-24T20:47:06 < Steffanx> cubemx and/or the stuff that comes with cubeide?
2020-03-24T20:47:07 < onio> Steffanx, yes
2020-03-24T20:47:16 < Steffanx> Did you enable the interrupt in the code generator?
2020-03-24T20:47:26 < onio> Steffanx, Yes
2020-03-24T20:47:37 < Steffanx> ok
2020-03-24T20:48:05 < qyx> is your hardware ok?
2020-03-24T20:48:13 < qyx> how does HAL code handle timeouts?
2020-03-24T20:48:32 < qyx> isnt it by any chance looping waiting for some flag to be set?
2020-03-24T20:49:18 < onio> I believe the hardware is fine. If I don't use the Interrupt version of the call then the data is transferred okay
2020-03-24T20:51:37 < Steffanx> does it ever hit the interrupt when you set a breakpoint in it?
2020-03-24T20:52:23 < onio> Yes, in fact if goes into the HAL_I2C_EV_IRQHandler
2020-03-24T20:52:25 < onio> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Csc7K5N2QQ/
2020-03-24T20:52:43 < Cracki> docs, if it helps https://www.st.com/resource/en/user_manual/dm00392525-description-of-stm32h7-hal-and-lowlayer-drivers-stmicroelectronics.pdf
2020-03-24T20:53:05 < onio> but I noticed that it never gets to the line 10
2020-03-24T20:53:23 < onio> Cracki, cool let me check doc thanks
2020-03-24T20:53:39 < Cracki> section 41/42, 41.2 likely
2020-03-24T20:55:16 < englishman> what is all this makefile shit in ugfx
2020-03-24T20:55:19 < englishman> i remember this being easier
2020-03-24T20:55:21 < onio> just got there now. I have never seen this document before. 3692 pages wow
2020-03-24T20:55:36 < Cracki> it's a dump of doxygen
2020-03-24T20:55:41 < Steffanx> it has been like that for ages englishman
2020-03-24T20:55:47 < englishman> GDISP_DRIVER_VMT
2020-03-24T20:55:52 < Cracki> cubeH7 likely contains a chm file that has equivalent info
2020-03-24T20:56:00 < Steffanx> ask tcth for a keil project.
2020-03-24T20:56:01 < onio> nice
2020-03-24T20:56:09 < englishman> it is going on a zynq
2020-03-24T20:56:16 < Cracki> cubeh7 will also have examples for everything
2020-03-24T20:56:23 < Cracki> so you don't have to trust random code on the internet
2020-03-24T20:56:41 < Steffanx> cant trust ST code either. lol
2020-03-24T20:58:05 < Cracki> you have cubeh7 if cubemx downloaded it. you can also get the zip file on st.com
2020-03-24T20:58:11 < Cracki> https://www.st.com/en/embedded-software/stm32cubeh7.html#resource
2020-03-24T21:00:16 < englishman> welp, eclipse crashing and won't open now
2020-03-24T21:00:18 < englishman> thanks ugfx
2020-03-24T21:00:40 < qyx> eclipse crashed for the greater good
2020-03-24T21:01:25 < Cracki> what went through their heads anyway, "let's make Sun disappear with this"
2020-03-24T21:01:46 < Cracki> and why did oracle never buy delphi
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2020-03-24T21:05:27 < onio> Thanks Cracki, yea I know that random code can't be trusted but I can't see it doing any silly stuff. The only think is that I am not sure if I need callback function
2020-03-24T21:06:12 < Cracki> likely not, but why do you wait for completion of an _IT function? you could just use the blocking call instead
2020-03-24T21:06:25 < Cracki> try implementing the callback.
2020-03-24T21:08:25 < onio> I am not going to wait for it. I am just trying to gain confidence of it working. I was using blocking version but I was told to use the Interrupt version
2020-03-24T21:08:40 < Cracki> ic
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2020-03-24T21:12:04 < Cracki> you get the full source of HAL. you can step into those functions and see how the _IT one differs from the blocking one
2020-03-24T21:12:08 < Cracki> maybe that helps
2020-03-24T21:14:25 < Steffanx> onio: i would check why it apparently never calls the XferISR callback . Who is supposed to set the callback.
2020-03-24T21:20:10 < onio> Steffanx, that is the tree I am barking down at now
2020-03-24T21:21:09 < Steffanx> :)
2020-03-24T21:22:56 < onio> The thing that blocks the callback function to be added is the USE_HAL_I2C_REGISTER_CALLBACKS flag
2020-03-24T21:23:47 < Cracki> cat barks down https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP3gzee1cps
2020-03-24T21:24:09 < onio> Cracki, cool let me checkout 
2020-03-24T21:24:19 < Cracki> https://community.st.com/s/question/0D50X0000BXjzHaSQJ/how-to-get-usehali2cregistercallbacks-properly-defined
2020-03-24T21:24:34 < Cracki> so... cubemx should have generated this?
2020-03-24T21:24:43 < englishman> fucking vivado
2020-03-24T21:24:43 < Cracki> maybe it didn't. they are very fallible
2020-03-24T21:25:04 < onio> Cracki, you got me there
2020-03-24T21:25:30 < Cracki> ask your IDE for all instances of this identifier? should be interesting
2020-03-24T21:25:57 < Cracki> but... if that flag isn't set, it may not want you to use "callbacks", but mess around in some handler directly
2020-03-24T21:26:49 < Cracki> inside the proper interrupt handler, cubemx put a call to some hal function that needs this info, and which would also run user defined handlers if registered
2020-03-24T21:28:12 < Cracki> another "bug report" https://community.st.com/s/feed/0D50X00009sUPaTSAW
2020-03-24T21:29:01 < Cracki> not sure what ST expects people to do
2020-03-24T21:30:25 < Cracki> if you open that stm32h7xx_hal_conf.h (or something) and don't find any #define USE_HAL_I2C_REGISTER_CALLBACKS 1U 
2020-03-24T21:30:47 < Cracki> ... that sounds buggy. because those defs exist in HAL for other series
2020-03-24T21:32:04 < Cracki> hm, L4 hal has all of them set to 1, H7 hal sets them all to 0???
2020-03-24T21:33:01 < Cracki> lol https://community.st.com/s/question/0D50X0000ArRvt6/stmcubeide-usehalregistercallbacks-definition
2020-03-24T21:33:17 < onio> interesting enough changed USE_HAL_I2C_REGISTER_CALLBACKS to 1 but still not calling callback
2020-03-24T21:36:39 < Cracki> could you show screenshots of cubemx for your nvic and related info
2020-03-24T21:38:13 < onio> okay
2020-03-24T21:40:47 < tcth> Steffanx, first for what?
2020-03-24T21:41:01 < Cracki> cubemx, i2c peripheral, nvic settings, does it have the right check marks?
2020-03-24T21:41:03 < Steffanx> Being fired tcth?
2020-03-24T21:41:36 < Steffanx> For letting a certificate expire... 10 days ago. :P
2020-03-24T21:42:04 < onio> https://imgur.com/a/vVorjLP
2020-03-24T21:42:16 < Cracki> the relevant interrupts are listed on the nvic tab of the i2c peripheral, but also under the nvic peripheral, which has the whole table of interrupts
2020-03-24T21:42:22 < tcth> Steffanx, ah, misread
2020-03-24T21:42:43 < onio> working on I2C1
2020-03-24T21:42:58 < Cracki> working?
2020-03-24T21:43:11 < Cracki> you mean to say one i2c peripheral works with those _IT functions and another doesn't?
2020-03-24T21:43:41 < Cracki> those are funny check marks
2020-03-24T21:43:48 < onio> No I mean to say that the peripheral that I am having problem with is I2C1
2020-03-24T21:43:57 < Cracki> ic
2020-03-24T21:44:23 < Cracki> what do you see on the first tab, "NVIC"
2020-03-24T21:44:30 < Cracki> you're in the code generation tab
2020-03-24T21:44:46 < onio> okay let me that up
2020-03-24T21:45:26 < onio> unfortunately I am working on Keil which is running on Windows 10 but I am using Ubuntu for this chat 
2020-03-24T21:45:34 < Steffanx> You'll have to send a community-wide exuse letter now tcth. Something like this CANNOT happen.
2020-03-24T21:45:35 < Steffanx> :P
2020-03-24T21:45:56 < Cracki> I'm on win10 too. hexchat is a tolerable irc client :P
2020-03-24T21:46:02 < tcth> Steffanx, yeah, time for a crisis!
2020-03-24T21:46:09 < Steffanx> *crysis
2020-03-24T21:46:20 < tcth> :p
2020-03-24T21:46:34 < tcth> we should play together again sometimes, Steffanx
2020-03-24T21:46:47 < Steffanx> in ever played it
2020-03-24T21:46:56 < tcth> I mean other things
2020-03-24T21:47:16 < Steffanx> ah
2020-03-24T21:47:37 < tcth> is BEF still a thing?
2020-03-24T21:47:46 < onio> https://imgur.com/a/Dp7jKo0
2020-03-24T21:48:22 < Cracki> hm, that looks as it should (if those are check marks)
2020-03-24T21:48:30 < Steffanx> tcth: what is BEF again?
2020-03-24T21:48:44 < tcth> Steffanx, russian insurgency server
2020-03-24T21:49:00 < tcth> well, that sounds very bad without the context of knowing that it´s about a game.
2020-03-24T21:49:05 < onio> yes they are silly "ticks"
2020-03-24T21:49:06 < Cracki> I'm out of ideas. I'd check the code for the _IT function and the normal one and compare. maybe they do something funny.
2020-03-24T21:49:20 < onio> Cool thanks for your time
2020-03-24T21:49:24 < Cracki> yw
2020-03-24T21:49:32 < Steffanx> tcth: No its Whiskey Strike now
2020-03-24T21:49:42 < tcth> Steffanx, worth downloading again?
2020-03-24T21:49:53 < tcth> remember I only got 1gbps/1gbps 
2020-03-24T21:51:00 < Steffanx> downgrading?
2020-03-24T21:51:18 < tcth> nah, office has more, home only this.
2020-03-24T21:51:31 < Steffanx> hm, yeah better go to the office.
2020-03-24T21:51:40 < tcth> did that already today
2020-03-24T21:51:50 < tcth> currently printing OpenFlexture microscope at the office fablab
2020-03-24T21:53:24 < Steffanx> fancy
2020-03-24T21:53:29 < Steffanx> (never heard of it0
2020-03-24T21:53:31 < Steffanx> )
2020-03-24T21:53:59 < tcth> me neither until two days ago
2020-03-24T21:57:47 < englishman> ufgx is dead then?
2020-03-24T21:58:10 < tcth> lol no
2020-03-24T21:58:24 < tcth> just provided support for some driver implementation
2020-03-24T21:59:05 < englishman> nice tactic, provide good documentation for the graphics, remove all the driver examples and delete the documentation then charge for it
2020-03-24T21:59:56 < tcth> nah, there´s tons of docs & examples. but commercial entities don´t want to waste time.
2020-03-24T22:01:30 < englishman> if you use makefiles
2020-03-24T22:04:28 < tcth> no need for makefiles, there´s single-file-inclusion
2020-03-24T22:04:37 < tcth> just include gfx_mk.c and you have everything you need.
2020-03-24T22:05:24 < jpa-> including a cool license!
2020-03-24T22:06:26 < Steffanx> loicense.
2020-03-24T22:08:56 < Steffanx> nanopb license is bad as well jpa-. You dont even take responsibility for the code you've written.
2020-03-24T22:10:26 < Cracki> I browsed ugfx a few hours ago. didn't immediately find a hello world
2020-03-24T22:10:59 < Cracki> saw the api docs... that thing does more than just graphics eh
2020-03-24T22:11:11 < Cracki> is this going the way of the Qt?
2020-03-24T22:11:13 < jpa-> Steffanx: well i'm just being honest there
2020-03-24T22:12:37 < Steffanx> What license did you use for your wedding vows jpa-?
2020-03-24T22:13:45 < jpa-> we didn't have any special vows, most finnish people are just like "i do, let's kiss" and be done with it
2020-03-24T22:14:12 < Steffanx> You didnt even listen to what the person said, did you?
2020-03-24T22:14:40 < jpa-> not sure - i barely remember anything
2020-03-24T22:15:12 < Steffanx> :)
2020-03-24T22:16:30 < jpa-> i'm very bad at remembering events; wife is always like "how can you not remember this and that??"
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2020-03-24T22:20:48 < aandrew> that's ok, I just got screamed at because I put lemon juice in the egg salad again and she specifically told me not to moments before I made it. I have it in my head that you need a bit of lemon juice in it and I cannot seem to un-remember that
2020-03-24T22:24:30 < BrainDamage> that's one way to sour up a relationship
2020-03-24T22:24:43 < Steffanx> lolled.
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2020-03-24T22:41:28 < Thorn> isn't aandrew supposed to be divorced
2020-03-24T22:43:08 < Steffanx> 5 times
2020-03-24T22:44:38 < mawk> aandrew: "why did you do this ? are you not listening ? why are you doing stupid things ? I tell you again and again and you never listen !"
2020-03-24T22:44:44 < mawk> every girlfriend ever
2020-03-24T22:44:53 < mawk> or maybe you're all very lucky
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2020-03-24T22:46:13 < aandrew> BrainDamage: lol
2020-03-24T22:46:39 < Thorn> MGTOW
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2020-03-24T22:49:15 < Steffanx> poor mawk
2020-03-24T22:49:20 < mawk> :(
2020-03-24T22:49:27 < mawk> at least I don't get hit
2020-03-24T22:49:56 < mawk> my godfather used to be beat up by his wife
2020-03-24T22:50:06 < mawk> and according to luxembourg law he couldn't divorce in the first year after marriage
2020-03-24T22:50:10 < mawk> or 2 years maybe
2020-03-24T22:50:12 < mawk> he had to endure it
2020-03-24T22:51:07 < Steffanx> Awesome.
2020-03-24T22:58:24 < Cracki> could he have her locked up for domestic abuse?
2020-03-24T22:58:36 < Cracki> being married doesn't matter if she's behind bars
2020-03-24T22:58:52 < Cracki> does the law forbid him from kicking her out in that first year or two?
2020-03-24T22:59:49 < Thorn> afaik in many european countries (+ Israel, etc.) the male gets locked up even if the female is the aggressor. welcome to feminist dystopia
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2020-03-24T23:45:15 < tcth> psssst, don´t say things like that when my gf is watching
2020-03-24T23:46:13 < Cracki> >memri shoe memes
2020-03-24T23:46:55 < Cracki> related to current store closures https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/225/386/2e0.jpg
2020-03-24T23:47:42 < karlp> now, what were we wasting time on again?
2020-03-24T23:47:51 < englishman> karlp: zynq
2020-03-24T23:48:07 < englishman> also ugfx is a bit of a waste of time
2020-03-24T23:48:13 < englishman> i remember this being easier
2020-03-24T23:48:42 < karlp> nah, I mena of _my_ projects :)
2020-03-24T23:48:43 < englishman> i just want to draw some lines and it wants to go build a ton of fonts
2020-03-24T23:48:55 < karlp> it knows you'll want fonts next :)
2020-03-24T23:49:04 < englishman> maybe, but not now
2020-03-24T23:49:14 < karlp> i think it was "alternative enclosures" and "find a 5V 30W supply again"
2020-03-24T23:49:54 < englishman> make sure they are iec 62368
2020-03-24T23:50:12 < karlp> which one is 368?
2020-03-24T23:50:38 < englishman> the one replacing 60950 and 60065
2020-03-24T23:50:45 < karlp> ah, the new LVD shit
2020-03-24T23:50:48 < emeb> englishman: I got ugfx working on zynq at one point, but I do remember it being painful.
2020-03-24T23:51:03 < englishman> :(
2020-03-24T23:51:13 < karlp> nah, I have some 62368 stuff for work, this is just for the hubbish hub.
2020-03-24T23:51:20 < englishman> have you used the axis dma?
2020-03-24T23:51:26 < Thorn> why not littlevgl
2020-03-24T23:52:02 < emeb> englishman: not personally. Some folks on my team did but I try to avoid that.
2020-03-24T23:52:24 < englishman> Thorn: will check it out now :)
2020-03-24T23:52:38 < karlp> "EnclosureHub can only ship product to addresses in the contiguous United States at this time."
2020-03-24T23:52:50 < karlp> fuck I hate north american online shopping
2020-03-24T23:53:01 < englishman> Thorn: should i take meldonium
2020-03-24T23:53:09 < emeb> englishman: I had some places where DMA might have made sense but it was so complicated that I just did my own simple DMA into a buffer in the PL.
2020-03-24T23:53:36 < englishman> emeb: what kind of bandwidth and data type?
2020-03-24T23:53:56 < Thorn> the psu in my home server burned out. smoke in the room, circuit breaker tripped
2020-03-24T23:54:06 < emeb> englishman: integer audio data @ 48ksps
2020-03-24T23:55:06 < englishman> ah... the axis interconnects seem useful for streaming video data, and the ip blocks, not sure if i can get rgb data into the ddr with my experience
2020-03-24T23:55:29 < englishman> im just playing with 1080p60 now but the idea is to move up to 4k30 bandwidths
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2020-03-24T23:57:17 < emeb> there someone doing a blog on vivado / zynq who does a lot of video
2020-03-24T23:57:22 < karlp> fucking serpac physical drawings are only in fuckign imperial
2020-03-24T23:57:26 < karlp> get.fucked.
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2020-03-25T00:06:40 < Thorn> attn englishman https://youtu.be/EkrdXKzlrSg?t=5
2020-03-25T00:09:10 < emeb> dat Messi
2020-03-25T00:09:32 < emeb> I wonder how Ichel will turn out tho - so hissy
2020-03-25T00:09:52 < qyx> fellow ircers, if I connect a microSD to STM32 using SPI
2020-03-25T00:10:15 < qyx> are there problems to fear of hidden somewhere?
2020-03-25T00:10:28 < qyx> ir is the thing "just works" nowadays?
2020-03-25T00:12:02 < emeb> never had any big issues w/ SD card in SPI mode. Used successfully on F3 parts w/o SDIO periph
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2020-03-25T00:51:27 < karlp> any freecad people know how to move origins for an imported part?
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2020-03-25T00:52:09 < karlp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/pzoub.png
2020-03-25T00:53:57 < karlp> $100 shipping from us to iceland.  nice.
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2020-03-25T00:56:44 < Steffanx> Wlcm
2020-03-25T00:56:57 < jly> hsr
2020-03-25T01:04:21 < jly> the plug has been pulled Steffanx 
2020-03-25T01:11:25  * karlp finds edit-> placement
2020-03-25T01:12:47 < qyx> it is extraordinary hard to find any flash chips for usb drives
2020-03-25T01:14:49 < qyx> on the other hand, all searches are polluted by iPhone flash chips
2020-03-25T01:14:57 < karlp> yeah, trash
2020-03-25T01:17:25 < qyx> so to get massive capacity, I have to use media made for general public
2020-03-25T01:17:41 < qyx> which is made to sell by speed
2020-03-25T01:18:13 < qyx> which is not particularly low power..
2020-03-25T01:18:29 < karlp> correct
2020-03-25T01:18:41 < karlp> how many usb devices have you seent hat impelemnt any of the low power stuff
2020-03-25T01:19:20 < qyx> the only thing capable of sleeping at 350uA and less is that damned microSD
2020-03-25T01:20:10 < karlp> emmc modules?
2020-03-25T01:20:19 < Steffanx> What was it plugging jly?
2020-03-25T01:20:42 < qyx> yeah but those are $$
2020-03-25T01:21:24 < englishman> srs q
2020-03-25T01:21:39 < englishman> this SoM maker had the choice to choose between 1.8v and 3.3v sdcard io
2020-03-25T01:21:42 < englishman> why did they choose 1.8v
2020-03-25T01:21:50 < qyx> they cannot
2020-03-25T01:22:01 < englishman> they did and we have to add a level shifter as a result
2020-03-25T01:22:12 < qyx> the interface must support 3V3 or 3V3 and 1V8
2020-03-25T01:22:14 < englishman> but changing sd voltage is trivial, it's a single pad
2020-03-25T01:22:15 < englishman> right
2020-03-25T01:22:21 < englishman> so why did they choose to do that
2020-03-25T01:22:58 < qyx> how do they initialize the card?
2020-03-25T01:23:09 < englishman> level shifter to 3v3
2020-03-25T01:23:24 < qyx> but I have read on multiple places that most of the cards work on 1V8 fromt he start
2020-03-25T01:23:36 < englishman> if so it's probably card per card?
2020-03-25T01:23:41 < englishman> it's not the sd spec
2020-03-25T01:24:01 < qyx> may be, I understand it that you have to start the card at 3V3, then use a command to switch to 1V8
2020-03-25T01:24:09 < qyx> and then actually switch
2020-03-25T01:24:32 < englishman> yeah
2020-03-25T01:24:34 < englishman> i have the same idea
2020-03-25T01:25:37 < englishman> but also afaik imx6 doesnt even support uhs-i
2020-03-25T01:25:50 < qyx> https://www.sdcard.org/developers/overview/low_voltage_signaling/index.html
2020-03-25T01:26:01 < qyx> hm here they talk about signalling levels only
2020-03-25T01:26:12 < karlp> englishman: 1.8v is required for uhs isn't it?
2020-03-25T01:26:23 < englishman> yes but you still have to switch to it
2020-03-25T01:26:24 < karlp> but yeah, 3v3 is _meant_ to be required for init?
2020-03-25T01:26:25 < karlp> yeah
2020-03-25T01:26:34 < englishman> qyx: i saw that too and lvs cards are rare as fuck
2020-03-25T01:26:37 < karlp> because they're pro?
2020-03-25T01:27:02 < englishman> clearly 2pro4me
2020-03-25T01:27:42 < qyx> I had the opposite problem, I wanted to run the MCU at 1V8 and was lazy to do level shifting and such
2020-03-25T01:28:17 < qyx> I trashed the whole idea
2020-03-25T01:28:30 < qyx> it still dwells in the mindmap somewhere though
2020-03-25T01:41:15 < qyx> eMMC balls are sparse
2020-03-25T01:42:16 < qyx> 0.5mm pitch :S
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2020-03-25T02:15:29 < doomba> when you buy bga do the ballz already come on the mofuckas?
2020-03-25T02:15:54 < doomba> or do i gotta get a stencil and all that crapola?
2020-03-25T02:16:14 < karlp> balls come on it, reballing is for repair shitz
2020-03-25T02:16:29 < doomba> cool
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2020-03-25T02:26:20 < karlp> ok, anyone know how to make qcad do units in metric instead of whatever the .dxf was inoriginally?
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2020-03-25T02:28:29 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1242257863185063937
2020-03-25T02:29:46 < englishman> Thorn: got a sec? almost have lvgl working it's just not drawing to my buffer
2020-03-25T02:30:11 < englishman> once i make an object or whatever does it draw on the next tick?
2020-03-25T02:31:34 < ds2> I don't think there is a standard way to do units reliably w/DXF... scaling by 25.4 based on notes is probally the most reliably
2020-03-25T02:32:09 < karlp> yeah, lame as shit
2020-03-25T02:32:25 < Thorn> englishman: do you call lv_disp_flush_ready()?
2020-03-25T02:32:26 < karlp> adding my own dimensions worked nicely, but why the fuck did it have to be in "native" units
2020-03-25T02:32:47 < englishman> it's in my flush callback yes
2020-03-25T02:32:48 < karlp> found a pretty suitable bud box that would work, and is on mouser, 
2020-03-25T02:32:56 < karlp> asking for a step file from tehm
2020-03-25T02:33:09 < karlp> so. kicad step export exports from the "origin"
2020-03-25T02:33:15 < karlp> which is not where the pcbs default to,
2020-03-25T02:33:21 < karlp> so fuck those cunts
2020-03-25T02:33:37 < karlp> absolutists that insist on submitted 3d models be perfectly centered on zero
2020-03-25T02:33:47 < karlp> but exports models that are not at all centered.
2020-03-25T02:33:54 < Thorn> englishman: and you do call lv_task_handler() periodically, correct?
2020-03-25T02:34:01 < englishman> yes
2020-03-25T02:34:29 < englishman> wait
2020-03-25T02:34:41 < englishman> i put them in the wrong function :o
2020-03-25T02:35:15 < englishman> it works
2020-03-25T02:38:22 < jly> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvuELpxPyWw
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2020-03-25T03:47:43 < englishman> Thorn: it seems to work theres just some issue when blitting to the framebuffer
2020-03-25T03:47:51 < englishman> ill figure it out tomorrow, no cool screenshots today
2020-03-25T03:47:54 < englishman> thanks
2020-03-25T04:00:56 < Laurenceb> fucks sake
2020-03-25T04:01:04 < Laurenceb> ebay now blocking mask sales in uk
2020-03-25T04:01:15 < Laurenceb> luckily I got in just before the ban
2020-03-25T04:02:31 < dongs> got in what, sold some masks for $$$?
2020-03-25T04:02:36 < specing> I see the invisible hand of the market is doing its job
2020-03-25T04:03:23 < Laurenceb> I have about 100 masks still shipping
2020-03-25T04:03:34 < Laurenceb> they havent cancelled orders that went through
2020-03-25T04:04:01 < aandrew> I got some 2GT timing belts (just basic mechanical shit), idlers etc
2020-03-25T04:04:10 < aandrew> idlers will be here tomorrow. belt stock wont be here for a month. lol
2020-03-25T04:04:47 < Laurenceb> for your car?
2020-03-25T04:04:54 < aandrew> no
2020-03-25T04:04:59 < aandrew> just random projects etc
2020-03-25T04:05:11 < Laurenceb> ah ok, I was wondering about my camshaft lol
2020-03-25T04:05:27 < Laurenceb> its pitted, looking for pro mechanic advice lol
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2020-03-25T04:13:45 < jadew> I think it's getting real in here
2020-03-25T04:14:15 < jadew> relative of mine died yesterday (24th of March)
2020-03-25T04:14:31 < jadew> was admitted with shortness of breath, died hours later
2020-03-25T04:14:57 < jadew> I don't know if he was tested or not
2020-03-25T04:17:16 < jadew> happened in a part of the country where a woman has broke out of quarantine and spread the disease
2020-03-25T04:17:22 < jadew> she was one of the people returned from Italy
2020-03-25T04:18:59 < jadew> regarding the banned masks
2020-03-25T04:19:20 < jadew> that's yet another stupid shit you can expect from the government
2020-03-25T04:19:31 < jadew> proof that you have retards in charge
2020-03-25T04:20:01 < doomba> they vaccinated all the syrians already
2020-03-25T04:20:15 < jadew> against what?
2020-03-25T04:20:17 < doomba> gotta flush out the EU citizens and replace em replace em replace em!
2020-03-25T04:20:30 < dongs> what the fuck
2020-03-25T04:20:40 < dongs> i was asked to make a thing to toggle some relays
2020-03-25T04:20:46 < dongs> i figured i can get a retarduino and a shield
2020-03-25T04:20:51 < dongs> a retarduino is like $25 bucks???
2020-03-25T04:20:55 < dongs> what the fuck lmao
2020-03-25T04:21:04 < doomba> yea man blue pills are like 3 for $8 tho
2020-03-25T04:21:13 < doomba> and you even get a st-link with em
2020-03-25T04:23:19 < englishman> might as well get a ft4432 or whatever
2020-03-25T04:23:30 < englishman> skip the software
2020-03-25T04:24:20 < englishman> Laurenceb: stop spending money on a 25 year old piece of shit
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2020-03-25T04:26:36 < dongs> englishman: nah it needs to be standalone
2020-03-25T04:26:43 < dongs> some water pumping shit
2020-03-25T04:26:51 < englishman> excellent sounding project
2020-03-25T04:26:54 < dongs> press butan, wait until 300ml done, switch 2 relays
2020-03-25T04:27:43 < dongs> https://www.monotaro.com/g/02359608/ 40 bucks
2020-03-25T04:28:04 < englishman> 50 for the dip version?
2020-03-25T04:32:19 < jadew> looks like my prediction was way off...
2020-03-25T04:32:33 < jadew> I said Spain will have 4k deaths by 10 April
2020-03-25T04:32:38 < jadew> looks like they'll get there much sooner
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2020-03-25T04:39:08 < dongs> 4k deaths huh
2020-03-25T04:39:12 < dongs> how many do they have infected
2020-03-25T04:39:34 < jadew> detected, 42k
2020-03-25T04:39:41 < jadew> 35k active
2020-03-25T04:39:45 < dongs> nice
2020-03-25T04:40:36 < englishman> https://i.imgur.com/f3B3sw3.png
2020-03-25T04:40:38 < englishman> gj japan
2020-03-25T04:40:42 < englishman> one of these lines is not like the others
2020-03-25T04:41:08 < dongs> is that japan's color?
2020-03-25T04:41:28 < englishman> yes
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2020-03-25T06:30:54 < jadew> oh shit...
2020-03-25T06:31:17 < jadew> remember my 20k prediction for the end of this month?
2020-03-25T06:31:29 < jadew> I think I was way off
2020-03-25T06:32:38 < jadew> so, at the first of next month, according to the current trend, we should have 44k dead
2020-03-25T06:34:32 < jadew> and almost 500k by the end of next month
2020-03-25T06:34:58 < jadew> man... I fucking hope these measures everyone is taking are good enough
2020-03-25T06:36:05 < jadew> but I don't see the trend changing by too much by the end of the month, because even if countries that are already a couple of weeks into lockdown are going to start recovering, others will be picking up
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2020-03-25T07:06:53 < jadew> http://188.25.126.97/stuff/ncov/prediction-2020-03-31.png
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2020-03-25T07:18:23 < jly> you're just a bunch of wires!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2020-03-25T07:20:41 < dongs> dongs over time
2020-03-25T07:24:46 < jly> hi  dongs 
2020-03-25T07:34:11 < jly> hi crt
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2020-03-25T07:46:38 < boddax> there a way to raw clone the content from old samsung j4+ to brand new same model?
2020-03-25T07:46:52 < boddax> cellp..sure
2020-03-25T07:47:55 < Spirit532> wrong channel for that
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2020-03-25T07:56:07 < jly> i think asking for iphone help would have triggered a better response
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2020-03-25T08:45:10 < jpa-> englishman: i started listening to "one hundred years of solitude".. i was already hoping the whole book would be about guy with big dick fucking every girl he sees, but it turns out to be something about disease and guarantine!?
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2020-03-25T10:20:17 < Steffanx> Whoa was that really you talking right there jpa- ?
2020-03-25T10:21:14 < jpa-> Steffanx: well that's what the book is about!
2020-03-25T10:35:35 < Spirit532> someone linked the stm32f1 dump article to me again, and I had an idea
2020-03-25T10:35:51 < Spirit532> is it possible to intentionally damage the SWD interface beyond repair, without killing the chip?
2020-03-25T10:36:05 < Spirit532> say, by applying a few (over)volts between SWDIO and SWCLK
2020-03-25T10:36:19 < Spirit532> maybe in reverse, to force the diode(s?) to blow(?)
2020-03-25T10:37:09 < jpa-> probably
2020-03-25T10:37:43 < jpa-> though i wouldn't rely on the readout protection as only means - it is quite easy to embed some checks for the chip unique id obfuscated in your code
2020-03-25T10:38:03 < Spirit532> sure but if someone dumps the code, that's totally useless
2020-03-25T10:38:09 < jpa-> how so?
2020-03-25T10:38:17 < Spirit532> patch it out, flash it elsewhere
2020-03-25T10:38:23 < Spirit532> unless you write some uber-polymorphic self-rewriting code
2020-03-25T10:38:30 < Spirit532> but a static image is a static image
2020-03-25T10:38:36 < jpa-> it's really not that easy to find obfuscated check inside the firmware
2020-03-25T10:39:00 < Spirit532> find anything that reads the chip ID, reconstruct from there
2020-03-25T10:39:04 < jpa-> and you have to do that for each firmware, while you can just buy the readout protection disabling as a service
2020-03-25T10:39:13 < jpa-> how do you find it?
2020-03-25T10:39:27 < Spirit532> it's always at a known memory location
2020-03-25T10:39:39 < Spirit532> put it into a new chip and run it, perhaps?
2020-03-25T10:39:51 < Spirit532> with a debugger attached, halt on memory read
2020-03-25T10:40:04 < jpa-> volatile uint32_t a = 0x2340928, b = 0x8947359;    uint32_t my_id = ((uint32_t*)a)[b]
2020-03-25T10:40:42 < jpa-> it's also possible to detect debugger being connected and skip the whole check then
2020-03-25T10:40:48 < Spirit532> sure, but whatever does the final comparison reads the hardware embedded chip uid
2020-03-25T10:40:55 < Spirit532> find that, nop it out, done
2020-03-25T10:41:06 < Spirit532> same with debugger checks - if you have the fw image, you own the device sooner or later
2020-03-25T10:41:21 < jpa-> yeah, every protection can always be defeated eventually
2020-03-25T10:41:34 < Spirit532> but nuking SWD makes it many orders of magnitude harder
2020-03-25T10:42:04 < Spirit532> good luck getting any data out without a proper lab, a microprobing station, probably an ion mill to get to the right metal layers, etc, etc
2020-03-25T10:42:08 < jpa-> well you'd need to nuke the bootloader also, as that is the easiest way on F1
2020-03-25T10:42:37 < Spirit532> does swd fully rely on the bootloader?
2020-03-25T10:42:48 < jpa-> swd has nothing to do with the bootloader
2020-03-25T10:42:53 < Spirit532> oh wait I misunderstood
2020-03-25T10:43:01 < Spirit532> you can put it into bootloader mode and read it out that way
2020-03-25T10:43:13 < jpa-> yeah, by glitching supply voltage and making it misbehave
2020-03-25T10:43:30 < Spirit532> or by setting boot0 lol
2020-03-25T10:43:34 < jpa-> and if you nuke all bootloader pins, you lose usb & usart etc.
2020-03-25T10:43:42 < Spirit532> you don't!
2020-03-25T10:43:48 < Spirit532> boot0 doesn't have anything to do with usb
2020-03-25T10:43:53 < jpa-> well of course if you normally boot into bootloader, it checks if readout protection is enabled
2020-03-25T10:43:56 < Spirit532> well aside from pullups/downs
2020-03-25T10:44:17 < Spirit532> well, my point is, nuke the 3 pins
2020-03-25T10:44:31 < Spirit532> though I'm not sure how you can nuke boot0 safely as that is also a peripheral(?)
2020-03-25T10:44:35 < jpa-> nuking input pin so that it always inputs a given level is going to be difficult
2020-03-25T10:44:39 < jpa-> nuking output pin is much easier
2020-03-25T10:44:50 < Spirit532> actually, SWD is configurable as a peripheral too
2020-03-25T10:45:00 < Spirit532> so by nuking either you're probably taking the entire port with it
2020-03-25T10:45:02 < Spirit532> if not more
2020-03-25T10:45:04 < jpa-> and i wouldn't be surprised if you can VDD glitch your way into bootloader even with boot0 disabled
2020-03-25T10:46:01 < jpa-> i've accidentally nuked io pins on stm32 with high voltage, usually it breaks the output functionality on the single pin, but input still seems to work
2020-03-25T10:46:15 < Spirit532> that'd kill SWDIO for sure
2020-03-25T10:46:31 < Spirit532> so SWD by extension
2020-03-25T10:47:05 < Spirit532> I love this disclosure timeline
2020-03-25T10:47:05 < Spirit532> https://i.spirit.re/oFCRH.png
2020-03-25T10:47:19 < Spirit532> "nothing... big entity steps in, suddenly a response"
2020-03-25T10:49:01 < jpa-> but yeah, as soon as you do anything custom, the effort needed to copy rises enormously
2020-03-25T10:49:33 < jpa-> for plain old swd working & F1 flash protection, it's probably just a couple of hundred dollars in china to get a chip dumped, no need to learn anything
2020-03-25T10:50:29 < jpa-> i haven't really dared to apply RDP level 2 (permanent SWD & bootloader disable, not available on F1) on any devices because i just know that eventually the customer is going to want some change on existing devices
2020-03-25T10:51:44 < jpa-> but i hide some tricks in the code, which will be quite annoying to find - bit banding and dma access etc. are nice tricks for hiding memory accesses
2020-03-25T11:02:13 < Spirit532> bitbang the DMA register and then wait 500ms while running some random code
2020-03-25T11:02:17 < Spirit532> suddenly, "oh, data"
2020-03-25T11:03:44 < Spirit532> though still obvious to anyone doing actual analysis
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2020-03-25T11:12:48 < jadew> I took an online COVID assessment test
2020-03-25T11:13:05 < jadew> all I said yes to, was that I had a runny nose and a sore throat at some point
2020-03-25T11:13:16 < jadew> and it said there's a high chance I have COVID-19 and that I should call 112
2020-03-25T11:13:26 < jadew> *at some point in the past 14 days
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2020-03-25T11:15:02 < kakigate69> do you know any router boards that has: +4 gigabit ports, openwrt compatible, m.2 socket with usb3.0 signaling option?
2020-03-25T11:15:59 < kakigate69> hey.. I go to openwrt channel
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2020-03-25T11:58:09 < qyx> kakigate69: there are some mikrotiks
2020-03-25T11:58:23 < qyx> also check turris omnia
2020-03-25T11:58:46 < qyx> I haven't tried it yet
2020-03-25T12:00:14 < qyx> oh it has 3x minipcie, not m.2
2020-03-25T12:00:29 < srk> it's fine but won't do recent uboot
2020-03-25T12:01:23 < srk> they don't care as they have mox now
2020-03-25T12:01:28 < karlp> does uboot need to be bleeding edge?
2020-03-25T12:01:35 < srk> no
2020-03-25T12:01:40 < karlp> (I know)
2020-03-25T12:01:45 < srk> it just needs to work 
2020-03-25T12:02:15 < srk> but requiring uboot 2015 and some ancient ubuntu to work is a joke
2020-03-25T12:03:43 < karlp> surely it ships with a functional uboot and you can just ignore it?
2020-03-25T12:04:08 < srk> well yes unless you want to run $DISTRO on it
2020-03-25T12:04:15 < srk> not the thing they ship you
2020-03-25T12:04:32 < karlp> I'm not supporting turris, I think they're egotistical weirdos, I just don't get why some peoiple insist on "OMG bootloader isn't from yesterday!!!11!"
2020-03-25T12:05:57 < srk> and for $DISTRO you typically need CONFIG_DISTRO_DEFAULTS so it works without hacks and loads /boot/extlinux.conf nicely
2020-03-25T12:06:01 < kakigate69> I have 4g modem slowly failing, I have too small router, I have already bought EM7455-modem
2020-03-25T12:06:10 < kakigate69> what would you do?
2020-03-25T12:06:15 < srk> which can be updated by $DISTRO in a standard manner
2020-03-25T12:07:13 < srk> but hey, they can boot from btrfs lol
2020-03-25T12:08:29 < karlp> fucking netbeans has lost it's brane.
2020-03-25T12:08:39 < karlp> cant' resolve #include <mosquitto.h>
2020-03-25T12:08:47 < kakigate69> If I use EM7455(in usb2.0 mode) with RMB11 routerboard as separate modem device I still have too small router and probably slower LTE connection than with current modem
2020-03-25T12:08:57 < karlp> retype the line, #include <m... autoprompt offers me mosquitto.h
2020-03-25T12:09:00 < karlp> select it,
2020-03-25T12:09:04 < karlp> nope, can't resolve include...
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2020-03-25T12:09:16 < srk> pro toolz
2020-03-25T12:09:26 < kakigate69> if I buy RMB33G routerboard I can connect EM7455 with adapter to usb3.0 and I have still too small router
2020-03-25T12:10:29 < kakigate69> but should I really keep modem separate from router?
2020-03-25T12:11:26 < kakigate69> I feel urge to get bigger router and just shove EM7455 with adapter to superspeed usb of that router
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2020-03-25T12:41:11 < qyx> kakigate69: are you expecting 100mbit/s from the LTE?
2020-03-25T12:41:38 < qyx> here the LTE speed lowered to about 2-3mbit/s with my operator during last ~ľ weeks
2020-03-25T12:41:41 < qyx> 2 weeks
2020-03-25T12:41:48 < karlp> heh
2020-03-25T12:56:11 < kakigate69> qyx: I expect 140
2020-03-25T12:57:13 < kakigate69> https://www.speedtest.net/result/9180633892 this is from early morning
2020-03-25T12:58:02 < kakigate69> peaked at 140 and then fell slowly to 133
2020-03-25T12:59:02 < kakigate69> daytime speeds are 40-70
2020-03-25T13:00:01 < kakigate69> qyx: lowered from what level?
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2020-03-25T13:05:33 < Steffanx> Not bad. Even a better upload speed than i have with my wired connection
2020-03-25T13:07:57 < PaulFertser> kakigate1984: next time please also test on dslreports.com to see bufferbloat rating.
2020-03-25T13:08:20 < kakigate1984> dslreports.com okay
2020-03-25T13:12:58 < kakigate1984> http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/61099187 okay
2020-03-25T13:13:49 < kakigate1984> D rating for bufferbloat
2020-03-25T13:13:53 < kakigate1984> so it's bad?
2020-03-25T13:14:13 < PaulFertser> kakigate1984: quite
2020-03-25T13:14:54 < kakigate1984> interesting tool
2020-03-25T13:15:05 < kakigate1984> I'll check it again at early morning
2020-03-25T13:18:00 < PaulFertser> kakigate1984: you'll need to fight bufferbloat on your side
2020-03-25T13:18:13 < kakigate1984> yes
2020-03-25T13:18:52 < kakigate1984> as I said the consumer level modem needs to go
2020-03-25T13:19:48 < kakigate1984> when you go to bridged mode with consumer level modem all bets are off
2020-03-25T13:20:16 < PaulFertser> You bridge the modem and do SQM QoS on your router, should just work I guess?
2020-03-25T13:22:46 < qyx> kakigate1984: from ~30mbit/s
2020-03-25T13:23:09 < qyx> those moneyed westeners with 140mbit/s LTE
2020-03-25T13:23:29 < kakigate1984> you know just slight signal level drop can slow your connection from 30 to 3
2020-03-25T13:23:46 < kakigate1984> if the signal level is the limiting factor
2020-03-25T13:23:57 < qyx> no, the amount of people here is the limiting factor
2020-03-25T13:24:01 < qyx> at least now
2020-03-25T13:24:10 < kakigate1984> yes
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2020-03-25T13:29:15 < Steffanx> stream play 0 0
2020-03-25T13:29:25 < Steffanx> Whops this is not the right window for that
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2020-03-25T13:41:26 < karlp> what is that even a command for?
2020-03-25T13:44:01 < Steffanx> it supposed to play an mp3 on stream 0 with file name "0" on my stm32
2020-03-25T13:44:11 < PaulFertser> lol, HP does it again https://blocksandfiles.com/2020/03/24/hpe-enterprise-ssd-40k-hours-flaw/ (the previous flaw was at 32768 hours of runtime)
2020-03-25T13:44:20 < Steffanx> *it's
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2020-03-25T13:45:40 < PaulFertser> Wouldn't have happened if the firmware was in Ivory Tower or SPARK Ada!
2020-03-25T13:45:50 < Steffanx> Totally.
2020-03-25T13:46:25 < karlp> yes, then it could simply stop executing instead of crashing.
2020-03-25T13:46:38 < karlp> "we've reached the end of the design limit"
2020-03-25T13:46:57 < karlp> "oh, was our design limit dumb? too bad, we've got proven correct dumbness"
2020-03-25T13:47:42 < PaulFertser> Design limits are easier to check than C language implementation.
2020-03-25T13:47:50 < Steffanx> My current project has a simple commandline interface for testing/debugging/whatever i want to use it for. karlp
2020-03-25T13:48:55 < karlp> PaulFertser: sure, but doesn't help if they're already wrong.
2020-03-25T13:49:29 < PaulFertser> karlp: and stop executing is still better than making all the data inaccessible.
2020-03-25T13:50:03 < karlp> oh definitely, I'm just sick of "use this, your bugs go away"
2020-03-25T13:50:18 < karlp> when it's really, "no, they just move to a different place"
2020-03-25T13:50:38 < Steffanx> lol dont be sick. We have enough COVID-0x13 already.
2020-03-25T13:50:49 < karlp> bugs in design are just as critical as bugs in implementation,
2020-03-25T13:51:01 < karlp> and sometimes even harder to see until they've been demonstreated as wrong.
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2020-03-25T13:51:09 < PaulFertser> In the usual case you have bugs in both :)
2020-03-25T13:51:14 < karlp> indeed
2020-03-25T13:51:33 < karlp> but I'm not 100% convinced that using "better" languages eliminates one with zero impact on the other
2020-03-25T13:51:36 < PaulFertser> And I do not see how making less bugs in implementation implies making more in design.
2020-03-25T13:52:01 < karlp> those languages often are "better" because they forced you to make a design decision (the whole, making it a design issue)
2020-03-25T13:52:24 < karlp> so there's "more" design requirements.
2020-03-25T13:52:31  * karlp shrugs
2020-03-25T13:52:54  * karlp is happily using a "better" language than C to avoid bugs, so I'm on board,
2020-03-25T13:53:06 < karlp> just tired of it being espoused as magic sauce to fix everything
2020-03-25T13:53:18 < PaulFertser> Better language being what?
2020-03-25T13:53:37 < karlp> lua instead of c for all my linux userspace
2020-03-25T13:53:46 < srk> come to the dark side, use Haskell!
2020-03-25T13:53:57 < srk> PaulFertser: I'm now playing with Agda, pretty mad
2020-03-25T13:54:24  * karlp plays along and enables haskell on openwrt, to see how big it is.
2020-03-25T13:54:34 < srk> hah! what arch? :D
2020-03-25T13:54:47 < karlp> it doesn't matter right?
2020-03-25T13:54:55  * PaulFertser just got some new job assignments to extend old C firmware that he inherited from another dev years ago...
2020-03-25T13:54:56 < karlp> if it matters, you can see why haskell is garbage right away :)
2020-03-25T13:55:05 < karlp> haskell is high and pretty?
2020-03-25T13:55:08 < srk> final binaries are fine but compiler is big and not that easy to build on any arch
2020-03-25T13:55:21 < srk> you can crosscomp tho
2020-03-25T13:55:38 < karlp> I don't just have a haskell interpreter on the target and .hs files?
2020-03-25T13:55:42 < karlp> I have to compile them first?
2020-03-25T13:55:49 < PaulFertser> Haskell is compiled language
2020-03-25T13:56:14 < srk> you can have all if you manage to bootstrap it for your arch :)
2020-03-25T13:56:15 < karlp> nvm then, not going to spend time setting up demos on that right now, short enough on time these days
2020-03-25T13:59:58 < BrainDamage> haskell has no stable ABI
2020-03-25T14:00:19 < BrainDamage> so when one lib changes a function, you end up recompiling the whole dep chain
2020-03-25T14:00:33 < BrainDamage> this for shared linking
2020-03-25T14:00:53 < BrainDamage> it's a nightmare for package maintainers
2020-03-25T14:01:17 < srk> really? most of this is automated here
2020-03-25T14:01:37 < BrainDamage> it's still a huge burden in terms of wasted cpu load
2020-03-25T14:01:49 < srk> not recompiling whole dep chain is an illusion
2020-03-25T14:01:52 < BrainDamage> each lib update triggers a cascade of builds
2020-03-25T14:01:56 < srk> yes
2020-03-25T14:03:45 < BrainDamage> eg
2020-03-25T14:03:46 < BrainDamage> community/haskell-yesod-static 1.6.0.1-344
2020-03-25T14:03:46 < BrainDamage>     Static file serving subsite for Yesod Web Framework.
2020-03-25T14:03:58 < BrainDamage> 344 means it has been rebuilt 344 times for that version
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2020-03-25T14:15:05 < Steffanx> heh
2020-03-25T14:16:19 < srk> we could discuss if compiling software if its dependencies change is a waste of time or not but it feels like a waste of time
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2020-03-25T14:17:56 < srk> cpu time is cheap nowadays and lots of it is wasted for way shittier purposes
2020-03-25T14:18:21 < srk> memory is something completely different
2020-03-25T14:18:43 < karlp> ahh, it's haskell, so it's good cpu wastage
2020-03-25T14:19:00 < jpa-> srk: what about bandwidth for all people who have to download bazillion updated packages?
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2020-03-25T14:19:05 < srk> compiling software doesn't imply haskell
2020-03-25T14:19:36 < srk> jpa-: what about bandwidth used for youtube or netflix to repeatedly play same shit over and over?
2020-03-25T14:19:51 < srk> jpa-: not even comparable scale :D
2020-03-25T14:21:50 < jpa-> but but.. kittens!
2020-03-25T14:22:18 < srk> <3
2020-03-25T14:23:08 < srk> hah, just imagine the computing power needed for re-encoding daily youtube uploads :D:D
2020-03-25T14:23:20 < veverak> come on, that's bullshit argumenting, "but isn't that bad?" "no, because others are doing it more so we are innocent!" 
2020-03-25T14:23:23 < srk> and to store em :D
2020-03-25T14:26:15 < srk> its like saying CI and software updates are bad cause of wasted cpu load and bandwidth
2020-03-25T14:26:36 < englishman> JavaScript is an environmental disaster
2020-03-25T14:27:38 < srk> well compare how much cpu/mem various js players eat vs using mpv / vlc
2020-03-25T14:27:52 < srk> would make for a fun blogpost
2020-03-25T14:28:20 < karlp> not really?
2020-03-25T14:28:31 < srk> would be also fun to know minimal hw requirements of each :D
2020-03-25T14:30:11 < doomba> that's what they have macbook pros for
2020-03-25T14:30:32 < srk> xD
2020-03-25T14:31:32 < jpa-> srk: if you want to save power, use a tablet - seems they are at least 2x more efficient than PCs in video playback
2020-03-25T14:32:41 < srk> ok :)
2020-03-25T14:33:15 < srk> thanks for your advice, I'm now using imx6q which can't play videos :)
2020-03-25T14:34:00 < karlp> definitely lower power then :)
2020-03-25T14:34:01 < srk> (to ssh to x86 desktop for compiling)
2020-03-25T14:34:19 < jpa-> but how do you get your kittens?
2020-03-25T14:34:37 < srk> yeah, 4 computers running in this room, two notebooks and two desktops lol
2020-03-25T14:34:43 < srk> jpa-: kittens are running around ;)
2020-03-25T14:34:47 < srk> jpa-: now they are sleeping
2020-03-25T14:35:34 < srk> I use the desktop when I'm done working, it's good distraction free environment, no firefox, no media players
2020-03-25T14:35:42 < srk> just terminals :D
2020-03-25T14:35:46 < srk> and irc /o\
2020-03-25T14:39:31 < srk> karlp: btw I wasn't able to compile opencm3 natively on it
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2020-03-25T14:40:59 < karlp> if you share some details I might be able to care :)
2020-03-25T14:41:40 < karlp> natively meaning what? were you trying to use the bare tiny imx6 thing that someone put forward a few years ago?
2020-03-25T14:42:03 < karlp> I think they were just using it fr vector table generation and startup for some bare metal experiments, we never got any further code I don't think
2020-03-25T14:42:20 < karlp> but otherwise, it's just make plus gcc?
2020-03-25T14:42:22 < srk> no just using native armv7l gcc 
2020-03-25T14:42:37 < srk> instead of gcc-arm-embedded
2020-03-25T14:42:58 < srk> might look again, spent some time on it but gave up as I just needed pc_hosted blackmagic not the firmware
2020-03-25T14:43:13 < karlp> armv7l is a linux toolchain?
2020-03-25T14:43:16 < karlp> that won't work...
2020-03-25T14:43:25 < jpa-> why would you compile opencm3 for armv7l anyway?
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2020-03-25T14:43:41 < srk> on
2020-03-25T14:43:46 < srk> ffs
2020-03-25T14:44:03 < karlp> well, you still need a compiler targetting eabi-none, not linux...
2020-03-25T14:44:17 < srk> I see
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2020-03-25T14:44:42 < karlp> that's probably all you were running into
2020-03-25T14:44:43 < jpa-> i couldn't compile libopencm3 using x86 gcc :|
2020-03-25T14:45:00 < karlp> jpa-: opensores  garbage!
2020-03-25T14:45:16 < jpa-> must be!
2020-03-25T14:45:37 < karlp> imagine, if we delete the github repo, the  bugs go away and the quality goes up :)
2020-03-25T14:45:37 < srk> yeah, then it should be doable by using "cross" compiled arm on arm gcc
2020-03-25T14:45:51 < karlp> srk: sure, 
2020-03-25T14:46:04 < srk> will check
2020-03-25T14:46:19 < srk> like there's no gcc-arm-embedded for arm!
2020-03-25T14:46:27 < karlp> hrm, I think there is....
2020-03-25T14:46:29 < srk> nooo
2020-03-25T14:46:34 < srk> dontwant
2020-03-25T14:47:26 < karlp> heh, they only have aarch64 on arm.com :)
2020-03-25T14:47:52 < karlp> speak to your distro if you don't wnat to build from source then
2020-03-25T14:48:00 < srk> well
2020-03-25T14:48:07 < srk> it's in progress
2020-03-25T14:48:11 < srk> nixos already does aarch64
2020-03-25T14:48:33 < srk> and recently armv7l VMs were added to these aarch64 boxes :D
2020-03-25T14:49:10 < karlp> guess you're building from source then :)
2020-03-25T14:49:18 < srk> bunch
2020-03-25T14:49:26 < srk> I'm unable to compile e.g. llvm
2020-03-25T14:49:44 < srk> so I asked around and found a guy building armv7l stuff which was able to help
2020-03-25T14:50:18 < srk> *who
2020-03-25T14:50:50 < srk> the rest is fine, now I have x11/wayland/i3/sway/mpv and surf-gtk!
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2020-03-25T14:52:04 < srk> reminds me of my gentoo times with lowend amd like 10y ago
2020-03-25T14:52:55 < srk> and of course you still need kernel patches for display to work :D
2020-03-25T14:54:02 < BrainDamage> why do you use i3 /and/ sway?
2020-03-25T14:54:20 < srk> isn't it obvious from the log? :D
2020-03-25T14:54:49 < srk> sway mainly cause I wanted to test wayland performance
2020-03-25T14:55:12 < srk> i3 cause .. I don't have native haskell compiler yet ;)
2020-03-25T14:55:48 < srk> few days ago I've managed to build x86->armv7l cross ghc, need to test that
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2020-03-25T15:47:49 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1242806611384717313
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2020-03-25T15:52:48 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/leonidragozin/status/1242810039414534144
2020-03-25T15:56:58 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqRgISFuE0k
2020-03-25T16:00:33 < englishman> cmH2O what a bullshit unit. even units are mercury-free these days
2020-03-25T16:13:58 < sync> yes, my interferometer uses mmHg for the airpressure
2020-03-25T16:14:11 < sync> at least it is not inHg or some other awful unit
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2020-03-25T16:15:52 < karlp> mmHg/blah is ~same as hPa anyway isn't it?
2020-03-25T16:16:35 < Thorn__> lol mac os thinks j-link is a network interface
2020-03-25T16:17:26 < karlp> hrm, no, not as close as I thought
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2020-03-25T16:22:43 < Steffanx> jadew: learn to dutch and read the latest report of our health government agency stuff: https://www.rivm.nl/sites/default/files/2020-03/Epidemiologische%20situatie%20COVID-19%2025%20maart%202020%20DEF_0.pdf
2020-03-25T16:25:11 < qyx> karlp: mmH2O maybe
2020-03-25T16:25:58 < qyx> mhm, BOM cost 39€ so far
2020-03-25T16:28:29 < karlp> ah, yes, it's .101, close enough to 
2020-03-25T16:33:07 < qyx> re uSD: max pin C=10pF, max line C=40pF, max line H=16nH
2020-03-25T16:33:28 < qyx> with this constraints I will be able to connect 2 cards on a single SPI max
2020-03-25T16:33:48 < qyx> or lower the freq, connect 4 and yolo
2020-03-25T16:38:50 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/arjendre/status/1242663621055770624
2020-03-25T16:40:48 < Steffanx> lol iceland
2020-03-25T16:40:53 < doomba> ya he got v2 and v1
2020-03-25T16:40:58 < qyx> so icelanders are douple infected
2020-03-25T16:41:07 < doomba> v3 is hantavirus that just got released in china about a week ago
2020-03-25T16:41:32 < doomba> media too busy talking about covid-19 right now tho.
2020-03-25T16:41:33 < qyx> upgraded to v2 while the legacy v1 is still present
2020-03-25T16:42:21 < doomba> it's gonna take until at least service pack 6 before people realize these are bioweapons
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2020-03-25T16:42:48 < jadew> Steffanx, that report seems to be in line with the rest of the world
2020-03-25T16:43:09 < jadew> I guess that's good news for young people
2020-03-25T16:44:07 < jadew> interesting that you even had children hospitalized
2020-03-25T16:44:16 < jadew> but I guess that was more of a precaution than anything
2020-03-25T16:45:15 < karlp> Id' guess that ~everywhere has similar realities to iceland actually, just we went and foudn it all because it was small and easy
2020-03-25T16:48:48 < jadew> did you guys see that graph I made
2020-03-25T16:48:51 < jadew> ?
2020-03-25T16:52:28 < englishman> i haven't clicked any of your links or read any of your chats in 3 months
2020-03-25T16:52:55 < jadew> that's good, then you don't know what's coming
2020-03-25T16:53:24 < englishman> definitely not going to start reading your chats now
2020-03-25T16:54:28 < jadew> you live in the middle of nowhere, I wouldn't be worried about this thing either
2020-03-25T16:54:42 < jadew> you'll probably be part of the 30% that didn't catch it
2020-03-25T16:55:37 < Steffanx> Smoothies will save you.
2020-03-25T16:55:49 < jadew> they might, vitamins.
2020-03-25T16:55:54 < Steffanx> Damn englishman. What have you done with all this extra time you didnt waste?
2020-03-25T16:56:02 < Steffanx> Visit the kittens?
2020-03-25T16:56:05 < Laurenceb> damn
2020-03-25T16:56:10 < Laurenceb> my uncle has coronavirus
2020-03-25T16:56:14 < englishman> uncle charlie
2020-03-25T16:56:15 < Laurenceb> mild so far...
2020-03-25T16:56:18 < jadew> how old?
2020-03-25T16:56:43 < Laurenceb> hello cia
2020-03-25T16:56:48 < Laurenceb> about 65 or so
2020-03-25T16:56:53 < englishman> i'm still pretty busy Steffanx
2020-03-25T16:57:01 < jadew> Laurenceb, nasty
2020-03-25T16:57:09 < jadew> hope he gets well
2020-03-25T16:57:16 < Laurenceb> thanks
2020-03-25T16:57:17 < Steffanx> Is weinstein your uncle Laurenceb? 
2020-03-25T16:57:20 < specing> Laurenceb: do you like your uncle?
2020-03-25T16:57:21 < Laurenceb> lmao
2020-03-25T16:57:30 < Laurenceb> he has bad karma
2020-03-25T16:57:44 < Steffanx> He should visit your aint. She can spread it to her customers.
2020-03-25T16:57:48 < Steffanx> *aunt
2020-03-25T16:58:14 < Laurenceb> once he dropped a mail order russian bride head first off a 500m cliff in Uruguay...
2020-03-25T16:58:19 < Laurenceb> other than that he is cool
2020-03-25T16:58:35 < Steffanx> Laurenceb and his "too good to be true"-stories
2020-03-25T16:58:47 < jadew> lol
2020-03-25T16:58:56 < Laurenceb> apparently  "it was an accident"
2020-03-25T16:59:12 < englishman> last time you told that story it was paraguay
2020-03-25T16:59:14 < Steffanx> Weinstein confirmed.
2020-03-25T16:59:43 < jadew> at least it's the same story, so it's probably true, which is disturbing
2020-03-25T16:59:56 < qyx> "ve heard the possibility that the number of the death caused by the viruses sync with the place which started 5G. I’m scared"
2020-03-25T17:00:04 < Steffanx> Yeah lol.
2020-03-25T17:00:24 < jadew> what?
2020-03-25T17:00:36 < Laurenceb> its ok, they scraped her off and sent her back to her family
2020-03-25T17:02:56 < jadew> if you search for "coronavirus 5G" you will find lots of articles debunking this
2020-03-25T17:03:04 < jadew> none of them making the claim
2020-03-25T17:03:14 < jadew> I smell a conspiracy
2020-03-25T17:05:38 < englishman> musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0k0Yb7Y3FM
2020-03-25T17:07:03 < jadew> thanks for ruining my youtube suggestions
2020-03-25T17:09:42 < qyx> in that regard we are safe. No 5G gere
2020-03-25T17:10:22 < boddax> then whar will happen with the next 6G ?
2020-03-25T17:10:48 < jadew> you'll need to get tinfoil hats with lead lining
2020-03-25T17:15:59 < englishman> the cure for 5g is 6g
2020-03-25T17:17:34 < englishman> personally, i preferred the cancer caused by 1G analolgue cellular
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2020-03-25T17:20:37 < PaulFertser> How far do you need to be falling to reach terminal velocity?
2020-03-25T17:22:16 < jadew> doesn't it depend on your shape/density?
2020-03-25T17:22:22 < englishman> if you are starting from orbit, you're already there
2020-03-25T17:22:54 < PaulFertser> jadew: well of course, but I'd expect it to be kinda close for different humans
2020-03-25T17:23:20 < jadew> ah, didn't realize you're talking about humans hehe
2020-03-25T17:25:19 < PaulFertser> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_skydiving
2020-03-25T17:27:48 < jadew> 500 km/h - neat
2020-03-25T17:28:05 < jadew> I wonder how that feels
2020-03-25T17:28:42 < jadew> you would need some stationary objects around you to really appreciate it
2020-03-25T17:29:07 < PaulFertser> "It is estimated that the human body will reach 99% of terminal velocity after falling 1,880 feet (573 meters) which takes anywhere from 10-14 seconds."
2020-03-25T17:30:05 < jadew> fat people are slow even when they fall from the sky
2020-03-25T17:30:28 < PaulFertser> 10s is plenty to realise you're falling to death...
2020-03-25T17:30:30 < Cracki> related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yltlJEdSAHw
2020-03-25T17:31:31 < englishman> PaulFertser, doesnt that imply another question
2020-03-25T17:31:37 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: you don't need to reach terminal velocity to die though 
2020-03-25T17:31:44 < englishman> the speed of death is much less than terminfuck man
2020-03-25T17:32:10 < BrainDamage> you can die even falling from standing upright
2020-03-25T17:32:20 < BrainDamage> at least, my uncle managed to
2020-03-25T17:32:43 < Cracki> it is said that earth/ground is elastic enough that when a human impacts, it jumps
2020-03-25T17:33:50 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: yes, I was just wondering when cliff height is no longer relevant regarding the speed.
2020-03-25T17:34:32 < BrainDamage> iirc the LD50 for theight is about 12m
2020-03-25T17:34:41 < jadew> Cracki, unless the ground is concrete or stone
2020-03-25T17:35:12 < jadew> but yeah, dirt is pretty forgiving
2020-03-25T17:59:56 < mawk> PaulFertser: the calculation is fu
2020-03-25T17:59:58 < mawk> n
2020-03-25T18:00:28 < mawk> if you know the reynolds number of a human
2020-03-25T18:33:09 < Laurenceb> >Prince Charles has coronavirus
2020-03-25T18:33:14 < Laurenceb> wtf I love corona virus now
2020-03-25T18:35:07 < Laurenceb> jadew: u have to use yandex for lulzy links
2020-03-25T18:39:59 < englishman> Laurenceb: tfw the queen outlives charles and andrew is crowned
2020-03-25T18:40:08 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-25T18:40:43 < Laurenceb> Prince Charles is really annoying tbh
2020-03-25T18:40:55 < Laurenceb> he used to land in a chinook outside my old house
2020-03-25T18:41:48 < Laurenceb> and his goons would wander around outside with their submachine guns and sniper rifles like it was call of duty or something
2020-03-25T18:42:05 < Laurenceb> just so he could go to the pub along the street
2020-03-25T18:43:08 < specing> That's what state dickheads do
2020-03-25T18:43:25 < Laurenceb> yeah
2020-03-25T18:43:35 < Laurenceb> I wouldnt care but this regularly happened at 8am
2020-03-25T18:44:20 < Streaker> What do people do in a pub at 8AM ?
2020-03-25T18:45:13 < Laurenceb> nobody is there at that time, so he can have the place to himself
2020-03-25T18:45:33 < englishman> eat bangers and mash
2020-03-25T18:45:48 < englishman> with HP sauce
2020-03-25T18:45:52 < BrainDamage> what's the point of going to the pub alone?
2020-03-25T18:46:05 < Laurenceb> such is life for monarchy
2020-03-25T18:46:18 < Laurenceb> for some reason the goons were always Scottish
2020-03-25T18:46:43 < Laurenceb> really pleasant characters, "get back in ur house, fuckhead!" "what the fuck you looking at u cunt?"
2020-03-25T18:48:11 < specing> makes you wanna get a rifle and shot them, amirite?
2020-03-25T18:48:37 < englishman> fyi they were probably regular rifles not sniper rifles
2020-03-25T18:49:24 < englishman> and i bet it was a sikorsky
2020-03-25T18:49:32 < englishman> all kinds of holes in this story
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2020-03-25T18:55:50 < Laurenceb> does the corona virus consent to infecting ur body?
2020-03-25T18:57:54 < benishor> does it respect gdpr? otherwise it must be fined!
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2020-03-25T19:27:27 < mawk> you should let yourself get infected, otherwise it means you're killing a poor virus whose done nothing and just wants to live
2020-03-25T19:27:35 < mawk> let yourself get infected to save a virus life
2020-03-25T19:27:58 < mawk> I'm joking but some ecology nuts say the exact same thing about mosquitos or bed bugs
2020-03-25T19:28:57 < Steffanx> Does it want anything?
2020-03-25T19:29:20 < Steffanx> Do you want anything mawk?
2020-03-25T19:29:25 < mawk> yes
2020-03-25T19:29:35 < mawk> I want to leave something useful to the world
2020-03-25T19:29:42 < mawk> I will be remembered as mister mawk who invented X
2020-03-25T19:29:48 < mawk> if everything goes according to plan
2020-03-25T19:29:49 < Steffanx> Or is it just some weird process in your body, pertially influenced by conditions outside the body, that does something?
2020-03-25T19:29:56 < mawk> nooooo
2020-03-25T19:29:59 < mawk> I'm mawk
2020-03-25T19:30:03 < mawk> I'm not my brain nor my body
2020-03-25T19:30:13 < Steffanx> proof it
2020-03-25T19:30:27 < mawk> would a brain floating in a jar be able to type these words ?
2020-03-25T19:30:37 < mawk> would a dead body out of the morgue fridge be able to do it ?
2020-03-25T19:30:43 < mawk> I have something more than my constituing parts
2020-03-25T19:30:55 < mawk> lol let's stop the joke or you'll think I believe in god
2020-03-25T19:30:56 < boddax> your soul
2020-03-25T19:31:20 < Steffanx> I've never talked to a dead body, nor a brain floating in a jar, so i cannot tell you what it can and cannot do.
2020-03-25T19:31:34 < mawk> it can smell and float around but not much else
2020-03-25T19:31:45 < Steffanx> The question is.. does the "weird process"  still work inside the jar or inside the dead body
2020-03-25T19:34:35 < Steffanx> Do you really want people to remember you by mawk or .. your real name mawk?
2020-03-25T19:34:41 < Steffanx> *name,
2020-03-25T19:36:13 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: so Boris just rides around on a push bike while some useless members of the royal family fly helis and walk around with security guys carrying machine guns, seriously?
2020-03-25T19:36:26 < specing> mawk | I'm joking but some ecology nuts say the exact same thing about mosquitos or bed bugs
2020-03-25T19:36:34 < specing> humans dying is good for the planet
2020-03-25T19:36:48 < Laurenceb> PaulFertser: yeah, they charter choppers from the RAF
2020-03-25T19:37:23 < specing> boris on a push bike? I'd like to see that
2020-03-25T19:37:47 < jpa-> Steffanx: now you are just acting as if you really existed, while everyone knows this IRC (Imaginary Realtime Chat) is just a computer simulated chat program
2020-03-25T19:37:54 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: you britbongs are really odd. Why the hell do you continue to feed them, are they doing anything useeful for the country at all?
2020-03-25T19:38:20 < Laurenceb> because tradition I guess
2020-03-25T19:39:05 < PaulFertser> specing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG3wSRrOp8g
2020-03-25T19:39:14 < Steffanx> jpa-: I never said i really existed jpa-. I was just fantasizing about it. Can a computer simulation simulate that?
2020-03-25T19:40:00 < jpa-> well it can claim to
2020-03-25T19:41:04 < englishman> how can our waffels be real if our chats arent real
2020-03-25T19:41:49 < jpa-> i've never received any real waffles
2020-03-25T19:42:02 < jpa-> all i have received is lines of text claiming waffles exist
2020-03-25T19:43:35 < PaulFertser> Can anybody please explain the "not in that order" part of the Boris conversation?
2020-03-25T19:43:37 < englishman> i had some last night and was nourished by them. n=1 statistics claim it is true.
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2020-03-25T19:49:10 < BrainDamage> we kicked our royal family out in the 45 and then EU forced us to bring them back
2020-03-25T19:49:26 < BrainDamage> we had to change our constitution to let them back in
2020-03-25T19:50:21 < PaulFertser> What was the rationale for the EU to do that?
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2020-03-25T19:51:20 < specing> that's silly, the EU didn't exist in 1945
2020-03-25T19:52:33 < mawk> fever is back Steffanx I'm going to die
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2020-03-25T19:52:55 < mawk> I broke my thermometer also
2020-03-25T19:52:57 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: I guess the faults of the fathers are not the faults of the sons
2020-03-25T19:53:43 < BrainDamage> ever since they got back they've been involved in shady shit and even got into few trials
2020-03-25T19:53:52 < BrainDamage> so much for a chance to be back
2020-03-25T19:53:54 < mawk> tell that to saadi khadafi
2020-03-25T19:54:00 < mawk> who was murdered in lybia
2020-03-25T19:55:43 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Savoy#House_of_Savoy_today
2020-03-25T19:57:14 < BrainDamage> really nice people
2020-03-25T19:58:58 < mawk> yeah
2020-03-25T19:59:01 < mawk> french descent I bet
2020-03-25T19:59:04 < mawk> savoie has good food
2020-03-25T19:59:22 < mawk> there is 100VAC between my laptop and my gf's laptop
2020-03-25T19:59:29 < mawk> when she touches me it zaps both of us
2020-03-25T19:59:36 < mawk> it's pretty painful
2020-03-25T20:03:36 < PaulFertser> mawk: one of the PSUs lacks PE wire it seems
2020-03-25T20:04:44 < mawk> PE ?
2020-03-25T20:04:54 < BrainDamage> protective earth
2020-03-25T20:04:55 < mawk> well it could lack anything it want, isn't there supposed to be galvanic isolation ?
2020-03-25T20:04:57 < mawk> ah
2020-03-25T20:05:01 < mawk> yeah, one of them lacks it indeed
2020-03-25T20:05:07 < mawk> but my flat isn't grounded anyway
2020-03-25T20:05:11 < mawk> no ground wire in the walls
2020-03-25T20:05:18 < mawk> so unless they're on the same power strip it won't do anything
2020-03-25T20:05:29 < BrainDamage> jesus
2020-03-25T20:05:38 < mawk> lol
2020-03-25T20:05:58 < BrainDamage> i hope you're not on ground floor
2020-03-25T20:06:10 < mawk> no, 2nd floor
2020-03-25T20:06:16 < BrainDamage> still pretty low
2020-03-25T20:06:31 < BrainDamage> if you'll touch phase you'll get a nice shock from inductive coupling
2020-03-25T20:06:32 < PaulFertser> mawk: caps are isolating galvanically, yes, but you still get zapped :)
2020-03-25T20:06:38 < mawk> even at that height BrainDamage ?
2020-03-25T20:06:41 < BrainDamage> before the differential kicks in
2020-03-25T20:06:42 < BrainDamage> yes
2020-03-25T20:06:54 < mawk> isn't it supposed to be invere square with the height ?
2020-03-25T20:07:01 < mawk> PaulFertser :(
2020-03-25T20:07:20 < BrainDamage> I'm at fourth floor and I have several nF of capacitance to the earth pin
2020-03-25T20:07:29 < mawk> nice
2020-03-25T20:08:02 < BrainDamage> so yes, it goes with inverse square, but the coefficient is so big that even at tall places you still get good coupling
2020-03-25T20:08:18 < PaulFertser> mawk: that's how most PSUs work, pretty normal. So either connect both casings to ground or connect none of them (and do not touch central heating battery etc).
2020-03-25T20:08:20 < BrainDamage> that's why at the 2nd floor you'll get a nice shock
2020-03-25T20:09:52 < mawk> but there's no ground PaulFertser 
2020-03-25T20:10:03 < mawk> well one of them is connected to "ground" that goes nowhere
2020-03-25T20:10:06 < mawk> ends in the power strip
2020-03-25T20:10:22 < Steffanx> Old dutch house quality.
2020-03-25T20:10:27 < mawk> yeah
2020-03-25T20:12:06 < BrainDamage> in eastern europe they bury their cables in the walls without conduits
2020-03-25T20:12:17 < mawk> that's how they do in this flat too
2020-03-25T20:12:21 < mawk> and in my previous one in france
2020-03-25T20:12:27 < mawk> not even metal casing where the outlet is
2020-03-25T20:12:29 < BrainDamage> o_O
2020-03-25T20:12:34 < mawk> which would be useless anyway since no ground
2020-03-25T20:13:01 < BrainDamage> I guess lives cost less than a bunch of plastic tubings
2020-03-25T20:13:04 < PaulFertser> mawk: but even if it goes nowhere you can still connect them together.
2020-03-25T20:13:26 < mawk> PaulFertser: I meant not having ground amounts to none of them being connected right
2020-03-25T20:13:29 < mawk> but it still zaps me
2020-03-25T20:13:43 < mawk> also the other PSU has no ground wire
2020-03-25T20:13:45 < BrainDamage> make the infamous double plug cord
2020-03-25T20:13:59 < mawk> what's that ?
2020-03-25T20:14:12 < BrainDamage> an extension cord that has a plug on each end
2020-03-25T20:14:16 < mawk> lol
2020-03-25T20:14:27 < mawk> I want to do that
2020-03-25T20:15:49 < BrainDamage> then you can tie together the PE
2020-03-25T20:16:30 < mawk> did you do the terminal velocity calculation PaulFertser ?
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2020-03-25T20:21:10 < mawk> getting the terminal velocity is easy, but you can also get the whole velocity curve
2020-03-25T20:21:20 < mawk> it's an arctangent or something
2020-03-25T20:21:22 < mawk> pretty cool
2020-03-25T20:22:22 < PaulFertser> mawk: sorry, I didn't I just looked up some random pages on the Internet to get the ready answer.
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2020-03-25T20:22:31 < mawk> :((
2020-03-25T20:22:49 < mawk> ma = -mg + kv², k is the quadratic drag coefficient
2020-03-25T20:23:01 < mawk> just say a = 0 when you reach terminal velocity
2020-03-25T20:23:07 < mawk> then v = sqrt(mg/k)
2020-03-25T20:23:17 < mawk> hardest part is determining k, you need the reynolds number of a human
2020-03-25T20:23:35 < mawk> and it's not ethical to put humans in aircraft tester rooms with giant fans
2020-03-25T20:23:52 < BrainDamage> if you have terminal velocity in normal case you can extract it
2020-03-25T20:24:06 < mawk> ah nice
2020-03-25T20:24:13 < mawk> so let's go on liveleak to find freefalling humans
2020-03-25T20:26:56 < mawk> to solve the DE there's a cool method
2020-03-25T20:27:06 < mawk> forgot the name, I call it the ugly physicist hack
2020-03-25T20:27:21 < mawk> write a as dv/dt then the dt around to try to make something sensible
2020-03-25T20:28:44 < PaulFertser> They say horizonal skydiver has C about 1.0, feet first about 0.7.
2020-03-25T20:29:01 < mawk> ah nice
2020-03-25T20:29:46 < PaulFertser> "A 75-kg skydiver descending head first has a cross-sectional area of approximately A=0.18m2 and a drag coefficient of approximately C=0.70"
2020-03-25T20:30:49 < ds2> not quite 2x
2020-03-25T20:31:02 < PaulFertser> My ISP just broke DNSSEC :/
2020-03-25T20:31:40 < sync> noice
2020-03-25T20:32:27 < PaulFertser> Their second-line support made me wait for about 5 minutes, then told to send logs to email.
2020-03-25T20:32:43 < mawk> so k = 0.063
2020-03-25T20:33:24 < mawk> so terminal velocity is 130m/s for 100kg human
2020-03-25T20:33:27 < mawk> a I right
2020-03-25T20:33:36 < mawk> that seems a bit too fast
2020-03-25T20:34:28 < PaulFertser> But that's nose down, maximum speed.
2020-03-25T20:34:34 < PaulFertser> And heavy body
2020-03-25T20:34:44 < sync> you could wear a lead vest
2020-03-25T20:35:02 < ds2> a cone shaped lead vest
2020-03-25T20:35:15 < mawk> let's take 60kg, like me, that's 350km/h
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2020-03-25T20:42:49 < Steffanx> dont die mawk
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2020-03-25T20:44:47 < englishman> you could jump from an altitude of 35km
2020-03-25T20:47:09 < ds2> or make a big splash, a gold vest
2020-03-25T20:47:37 < sync> rather spend your money un uranium
2020-03-25T20:49:05 < englishman> uranium vest > lead vest
2020-03-25T20:50:04 < ds2> but then you'll get neutrons all over the place
2020-03-25T20:51:37 < BrainDamage> depleted uranium has pretty much no residual radioactivvity
2020-03-25T20:52:03 < BrainDamage> so no gamma and no neutron
2020-03-25T20:52:17 < BrainDamage> because it's nearly entirely made by u238
2020-03-25T20:52:53 < BrainDamage> which is stable stuff leftover from refinement of raw uranium that's a mix of 235 which is fissile and 238 which is not
2020-03-25T20:52:56 < englishman> and you can rest easy knowing that u235 is going to power iranian homes
2020-03-25T20:53:18 < BrainDamage> delicious yellow cakes in the ovens
2020-03-25T20:54:17 < ds2> pretty much is not none
2020-03-25T20:54:29 < BrainDamage> you're radioactive yourself
2020-03-25T20:54:32 < ds2> I do wonder if dU is less active then Potassium (natural assortment)
2020-03-25T20:54:41 < sync> don't eat a banana then :)
2020-03-25T20:54:43 < mawk> dU = dU/dt dt ?
2020-03-25T20:54:51 < ds2> :)
2020-03-25T20:55:07 < ds2> s/dU/U238/
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2020-03-25T21:08:08 < englishman> https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85054
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2020-03-25T21:40:38 < fenugrec> wow, pouet.net right out of the 90's
2020-03-25T21:41:40 < fenugrec> well, Y2K strictly speaking
2020-03-25T21:49:15 < Laurenceb> keeek Y2K
2020-03-25T21:49:25 < Laurenceb> that was moar bullshit than emdrive
2020-03-25T21:56:10 < Laurenceb> Incels gunna cough on the thots
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2020-03-25T22:12:37 < englishman> best 5k time so far this year
2020-03-25T22:12:41 < englishman> and a beautiful day outside
2020-03-25T22:19:22 < Steffanx> and what time is that?
2020-03-25T22:19:35 < Steffanx> <> 33:44 ?
2020-03-25T22:20:57 < englishman> a little better than that
2020-03-25T22:21:02 < englishman> but nothing special
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2020-03-25T23:02:26 < karlp> whos time is 33:44?
2020-03-25T23:06:00 < Steffanx> I googled the average time
2020-03-25T23:06:08 < Steffanx> for 35-40 yo. assuming englishman is in that category
2020-03-25T23:13:46 < karlp> friend was in heavy training for berlin marathon... not any more!
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2020-03-25T23:18:45 < Steffanx> Heh, i can see myself running. but a marathon? NEVER
2020-03-25T23:22:51 < englishman> i'd like to do a half marathon, even if it won't be this year i could still train for it
2020-03-25T23:22:56 < englishman> but a marathon, idk
2020-03-25T23:25:34 < karlp> ah, he was only going to do a half.
2020-03-25T23:25:44 < karlp> but was going to try for 1:45,
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2020-03-25T23:30:59 < englishman> good time
2020-03-25T23:49:08 < Laurenceb> I used to be good at sports
2020-03-25T23:49:16 < Laurenceb> but then I became a basement dweller
2020-03-25T23:53:13 < specing> now you are good at e-sports
2020-03-25T23:53:56 < srk> !!
--- Day changed Thu Mar 26 2020
2020-03-26T00:07:31 < Laurenceb> >dyson will be making ventilators
2020-03-26T00:07:36 < Laurenceb> this is going to end well
2020-03-26T00:08:20 < jadew> considering it's such a simple technology, I think many companies will start making them
2020-03-26T00:08:35 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: so what does “to fuck off and die – and not in that order” mean?
2020-03-26T00:08:41 < jadew> probably a bunch of people are already working on prototypes in their garages
2020-03-26T00:08:53 < Laurenceb> lulwut PaulFertser
2020-03-26T00:09:01 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: that's what Boris told a cabbie
2020-03-26T00:09:05 < Laurenceb> havent heard that one lol
2020-03-26T00:09:27 < Laurenceb> jadew: Dyson are emdrive tier bullshitters
2020-03-26T00:09:35 < Laurenceb> by Dyson himself is cool
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2020-03-26T00:09:59 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG3wSRrOp8g
2020-03-26T00:10:21 < PaulFertser> Why "not in that order"?
2020-03-26T00:10:54 < jadew> uhm, that trend line of mine was extremely close for today
2020-03-26T00:11:15 < jadew> 21357 vs 2254
2020-03-26T00:11:26 < jadew> sorry
2020-03-26T00:11:36 < jadew> 21357 vs 21148
2020-03-26T00:12:13 < jadew> I assume the worldometer site ends the day at 00:00 UTC, so there are still two more hours to go
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2020-03-26T00:13:17 < ds2> worldometer?
2020-03-26T00:13:24 < jadew> https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
2020-03-26T00:15:10  * Laurenceb realised the uk gov logo looks like a tramp stamp
2020-03-26T00:18:40 < Laurenceb> I still have this stored in my shed lol http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3046791.stm
2020-03-26T00:18:54 < Laurenceb> Mr Dyson let me grab it
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2020-03-26T00:22:01 < Laurenceb> the Dyson staff were throwing it in a skip and Mr Dyson was heading back to his hotel with two hookers
2020-03-26T00:23:02 < Laurenceb> >getting an entourage and coke and hookers for some perspex shit
2020-03-26T00:24:26 < emeb> Laurenceb knows all the cool ppl
2020-03-26T00:25:38 < Laurenceb> I used to live hear the National Exhibition Center when I was a young troll, used to sneak in through a hole in the fence and raid the skips at the back
2020-03-26T00:25:54 < emeb> any good stuff?
2020-03-26T00:26:02 < emeb> besides magic water ramps?
2020-03-26T00:26:13 < Laurenceb> nah that was the best thing I ever raided
2020-03-26T00:26:45 < Laurenceb> I got rumbled by the Dyson staff as I was pulling it through the fence, but Mr Dyson let me off lol
2020-03-26T00:26:53 < emeb> lol
2020-03-26T00:27:06 < Laurenceb> >get BBC round to photo ur shit display
2020-03-26T00:27:14 < emeb> "Wot's all this then?"
2020-03-26T00:27:18 < Laurenceb> >throw it in the skip immediately after
2020-03-26T00:27:44 < emeb> and some poor sap spent a year building the damn thing
2020-03-26T00:27:59 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-26T00:28:44 < jadew> Laurenceb, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpEqtGa2vTI
2020-03-26T00:28:53 < Laurenceb> he literally had a hooker on each arm, they could hardly speak english and were like "we go hotel now?"
2020-03-26T00:29:23 < karlp> goit a weird dxf, https://bin.jvnv.net/file/UYmv6.png can I "mirror" the inside line that's truncated around the center easily?
2020-03-26T00:29:38 < karlp> that's the pcb space, "inside" the box.
2020-03-26T00:30:25 < karlp> or at least, that's the way I interpret https://www.budind.com/pdf/hb388.pdf
2020-03-26T00:30:29 < Thorn> can you snap to the center of the center circle when copy/pasting?
2020-03-26T00:31:35 < karlp> no idea.
2020-03-26T00:31:49 < karlp> unless they mean that the dotted bit is accounting for the taper at the top?
2020-03-26T00:32:04 < karlp> and it's the 4.106" across the bottom? and slightly less at the top?
2020-03-26T00:32:24 < karlp> and I should just use 4.106 x 2.856 for the pcb space?
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2020-03-26T00:36:35 < qyx> btw qcad, did you remove those libraries to get free version?
2020-03-26T00:37:01  * karlp shrugfs
2020-03-26T00:37:08 < karlp> I just installed it from... no idea?
2020-03-26T00:37:13 < karlp> I read there was some drama I ignored it
2020-03-26T00:37:22 < karlp> librecad fails to import shit so I ignored it
2020-03-26T00:37:41 < karlp> this is qcad community 3.24.2.6 ?
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2020-03-26T00:39:41 < qyx> I downloaded a binary trial with some DWG libs and such
2020-03-26T00:39:54 < qyx> I would like to convert some of my DWGs first
2020-03-26T00:40:04 < qyx> but it runs only for ~15min or so
2020-03-26T00:40:34 < qyx> to get community version you have to delete those non-free libraries it seems
2020-03-26T00:43:49 < jadew> more ventilators: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV7rZ-unJSI
2020-03-26T00:45:26 < karlp> ok, this will work: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/MOwVt.png
2020-03-26T00:45:35 < karlp> (white is the new, more readily available box)
2020-03-26T00:45:59 < jadew> found the one with corner screws?
2020-03-26T00:47:01 < karlp> well, just a different vendor altogether
2020-03-26T00:47:06 < karlp> one that's on dk/mouser not just tme
2020-03-26T00:47:13 < karlp> and yeah, corner screws.
2020-03-26T00:47:30 < karlp> found a nice looking onw that just snaps, but I'm concerned the snaps will get in the way even more so where the ports go
2020-03-26T00:47:35 < karlp> so this is ok for now :)
2020-03-26T00:47:54 < karlp> learnt just enough qcad to hurt myself I guess.
2020-03-26T00:53:58 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6fWpdXvOYk
2020-03-26T00:54:30 < jadew> the biggest issue I see with these ventilators is that you can't easily control the volume
2020-03-26T00:54:40 < jadew> you have to move shit up and down
2020-03-26T00:55:04 < doomba> how do these ventilators work?
2020-03-26T00:55:14 < jadew> did you not click on any of the links?
2020-03-26T00:55:17 < jadew> they push air
2020-03-26T00:55:35 < doomba> i was thinking out loud
2020-03-26T00:56:06 < karlp> -bash: cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on device
2020-03-26T00:56:08 < karlp> nice...
2020-03-26T00:56:27 < qyx> haha
2020-03-26T00:56:36 < qyx> huh jadew are they serious with that thing
2020-03-26T00:56:46 < jadew> qyx, they're serious with all of them
2020-03-26T00:56:47 < qyx> also does it move the same air in/ou?
2020-03-26T00:57:02 < jadew> air is moved out by itself
2020-03-26T00:57:14 < qyx> are there some check valves?
2020-03-26T00:57:20 < jadew> yeah
2020-03-26T00:57:26 < jadew> that thing is a mechanical ventialtor
2020-03-26T00:57:43 < jadew> which is used in the field and sometimes in hospitals for quick interventions
2020-03-26T00:58:01 < jadew> you just motorize it with something that can compress it
2020-03-26T00:58:30 < jadew> I've heard in many parts of the world, they're already doing this by hand to many patients, because they ran out of automated ones
2020-03-26T00:59:17 < jadew> obviously, the real deal has more bells and whistles, but in an emergency situation anything is better than nothing
2020-03-26T00:59:17 < qyx> I though the thing ismore complex
2020-03-26T00:59:54 < jadew> a real one probably is
2020-03-26T01:00:05 < jadew> they are probably able to control the mixture of the air
2020-03-26T01:01:19 < jadew> but again, if you have to choose between having one person stuck doing this manually and doing it ghetto style...
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2020-03-26T01:12:35 < jadew> did a bit more research: real ventilators are able to set a particular pressure that will be there both on inspiration and expiration
2020-03-26T01:16:05 < qyx> are they making negative pressure on expiration?
2020-03-26T01:16:24 < jadew> no, they have to keep pressure going, to keep the alveolae opened
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2020-03-26T01:16:55 < qyx> so the main concern is to keep them open?
2020-03-26T01:17:05 < jadew> also to keep the traheea from closing and obstructing his breathing
2020-03-26T01:17:15 < jadew> it's one of the concerns, depends on the patient
2020-03-26T01:17:18 < jadew> there are several modes
2020-03-26T01:17:30 < jadew> constant pressure, assistive
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2020-03-26T01:18:16 < jadew> I assume there's one mode more useful than others for this thing
2020-03-26T01:18:52 < qyx> is there an IoT enabled open source ventilator controller available yet?
2020-03-26T01:19:00 < jadew> for sure
2020-03-26T01:19:08 < jadew> some indians made one controlled by a mobile phone
2020-03-26T01:19:19 < jadew> and they were saying how each patient has a phone... :P
2020-03-26T01:19:34 < qyx> yeah.. rebooting android..
2020-03-26T01:19:39 < jadew> yeah
2020-03-26T01:19:53 < jadew> or shitty apps hogging everything down
2020-03-26T01:20:17 < Cracki> india, aidsfruit-level ventilators, good luck
2020-03-26T01:21:39 < BrainDamage> here some hospitals ran out of oxygen masks and they jury rigged masks out of decathlon diving masks
2020-03-26T01:22:02 < jadew> can't they 3d print them?
2020-03-26T01:22:22 < BrainDamage> they 3d print the connection to the gas system
2020-03-26T01:22:32 < BrainDamage> there's no point printing a whole mask
2020-03-26T01:22:48 < BrainDamage> buying it is cheaper and more available
2020-03-26T01:22:54 < BrainDamage> there's more than 20k in stock
2020-03-26T01:23:02 < jadew> ah, neat
2020-03-26T01:23:14 < Cracki> meat bag inflators. love those things.
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2020-03-26T01:24:04 < BrainDamage> https://www.macitynet.it/la-maschera-decathlon-respiratore-stampa-3d/
2020-03-26T01:24:09 < Cracki> most make:rs (me included) have no idea about basic pneumatics. all I know is from AvE
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2020-03-26T01:25:23 < jadew> that's pretty neat
2020-03-26T01:25:35 < jadew> is that mask for scuba or for free diving?
2020-03-26T01:25:45 < BrainDamage> free diving
2020-03-26T01:27:55 < jadew> Cracki, I don't think there's that much to take in
2020-03-26T01:28:15 < jadew> the problem is more about how to follow some curves properly
2020-03-26T01:28:23 < jadew> (pressure curves) and have proper feedback
2020-03-26T01:28:53 < Cracki> ambu bagging someone is for emergencies, to get air into those lungs right the fuck now. it does harm. you aren't supposed to use this method indefinitely
2020-03-26T01:28:54 < jadew> I'm gonna guess a big part of the cost is in that
2020-03-26T01:30:14 < Cracki> before I let indians use a mobile phone to run any control loops, I'd rather they use an arduino. that's realtime _capable_ at least.
2020-03-26T01:31:01 < qyx> the phone is _capable_ too
2020-03-26T01:31:30 < jadew> Cracki, some guys at harvard used an arduino for their design
2020-03-26T01:31:30 < Cracki> pneumatics has all these widgets/primitives, such as pressure reducers, that you should know if you want to do something from scratch.
2020-03-26T01:32:06 < Cracki> well the phone runs android or ios. those aren't giving you realtime. if you want realtime android, you get realtime linux with interface between android user space and kernel space
2020-03-26T01:32:15 < jadew> and that design was better than the rest, because it allowed you to control the flow much better
2020-03-26T01:32:23 < Cracki> (some ppl at my uni did realtime android)
2020-03-26T01:32:49 < Cracki> again, from the little that AvE's shitposting teaches me, you have to control flow and pressure
2020-03-26T01:32:51 < jadew> Cracki, pressure reducers are like the first thing you learn about once you get a compressor
2020-03-26T01:33:28 < Cracki> none of those bag squeezers have any kind of pneumatics except for valves to direct inspired and expired air
2020-03-26T01:33:37 < jadew> Cracki, yeah
2020-03-26T01:33:52 < jadew> I saw one that might have had
2020-03-26T01:33:57 < Cracki> even ave's shitpost videos contain supplementary oxygen
2020-03-26T01:33:58 < jadew> but it wasn't bag driven
2020-03-26T01:34:08 < jadew> oxygen can be introduced through the back
2020-03-26T01:34:33 < jadew> usually hospitals have pipes of oxygen and nitrogen maybe? right next to each bed
2020-03-26T01:34:37 < jadew> and they can mix them from there
2020-03-26T01:34:47 < jadew> then they could theoretically feed it into the bag
2020-03-26T01:34:59 < jadew> (at the correct mixture)
2020-03-26T01:35:57 < Cracki> a big part of the cost of a real ventilator is certification, all the testing for that, all the safety redundancies (i hope!), making sure nothing breaks in the first place, that it's pretty idiot proof, that it catches every single condition of operator AND patient that goes out of desired parameters, reacting properly, ...
2020-03-26T01:36:16 < jadew> yep
2020-03-26T01:36:21 < jadew> they have alarms and crap like that
2020-03-26T01:36:29 < Cracki> ave said real vents recycle the oxygen. not sure how. must be some membrane.
2020-03-26T01:36:46 < Cracki> they use not just piped in o2 and whatever else, but some chemicals
2020-03-26T01:36:49 < jadew> at the very least they have CO2 monitoring, which has to correlate with flow and the rate
2020-03-26T01:36:55 < Cracki> oh yes, that too
2020-03-26T01:37:17 < Cracki> also, operating room vents have to add in narcotics at the right doses
2020-03-26T01:37:33 < Cracki> I guess that's not really needed here, but it could be useful
2020-03-26T01:37:55 < jadew> yeah, but still, in the case of shortage, anything that can free up the staff is useful
2020-03-26T01:38:03 < Cracki> bicycle pumps :D
2020-03-26T01:38:08 < jadew> lol
2020-03-26T01:38:15 < Cracki> that is what they do here
2020-03-26T01:38:35 < Cracki> I would guess india has ten times more bicycle pumps than ambu bags
2020-03-26T01:39:04 < Cracki> or do they ride their bicycles on solid rubber, or do they have gas stations with air hoses that much
2020-03-26T01:39:10 < jadew> I would think india is more prepared than other countries
2020-03-26T01:39:44 < jadew> I mentioned this before, but I saw a documentary where it said that for them, the swine flu is a seasonal disease
2020-03-26T01:39:58 < Cracki> prepared in that they have lots of people "to spare"
2020-03-26T01:40:03 < jadew> so they might have increased capacity because of that
2020-03-26T01:40:13 < Cracki> increased resistance if anything
2020-03-26T01:40:15 < jadew> that too
2020-03-26T01:40:23 < Cracki> all the ones who will die, have died
2020-03-26T01:40:33 < jadew> haha
2020-03-26T01:41:02 < Cracki> someone on twitter complained that we aren't keeping pantries stocked anymore, that we're dumber than squirrels
2020-03-26T01:41:35 < Cracki> a year in the life of a squirrel consists of surviving the winter
2020-03-26T01:41:41 < Cracki> grocery store goes brrr
2020-03-26T01:42:00 < jadew> you know, that's a valid complaint
2020-03-26T01:42:26 < jadew> my grandmother, who has lived through some tough times, always has enough food in store to last for a couple of months
2020-03-26T01:42:36 < jadew> she always prepares for the winter, even if she doesn't have to
2020-03-26T01:43:04 < Cracki> what do they call it, a "funnel event"
2020-03-26T01:43:11 < Cracki> something that culls the herd
2020-03-26T01:43:11 < jadew> and you can be 100% sure that after this is over, every household will be the same for the next 50 years
2020-03-26T01:43:27 < Cracki> dumb squirrels are popsicles
2020-03-26T01:44:10 < Cracki> people die of some disease. fewer per instance die if diseases come more often. likely comparable amount per time no matter the frequency.
2020-03-26T01:44:31 < jadew> yeah, I was thinking the same thing
2020-03-26T01:44:49 < Cracki> you can be 100% sure there will be suicides from the economic destruction of small business
2020-03-26T01:45:04 < Cracki> amazon is doing splendid. walk-in business is crashing.
2020-03-26T01:45:05 < jadew> didn't consider that, but I'm sure there will be
2020-03-26T01:45:32 < jadew> restaurants are going to close, that's for sure
2020-03-26T01:45:36 < Cracki> that is why this hysteria needs to end. it will affect us harder than the virus deaths.
2020-03-26T01:45:40 < jadew> unless they start delivering
2020-03-26T01:46:06 < Cracki> my local kebab advertises delivery now. 15 bucks minimum. one kebab is 4.50
2020-03-26T01:46:21 < Cracki> I wonder if bored youths would be a cheap means of delivery.
2020-03-26T01:46:38 < jadew> of delivering covid maybe
2020-03-26T01:46:44 < Cracki> once an hour, send someone to deliver a dozen individual orders to streets within walking/cycling distance
2020-03-26T01:46:45 < qyx> here they are nearly all making deliveries now
2020-03-26T01:46:51 < qyx> even those who didn't
2020-03-26T01:47:11 < Cracki> if you don't trust diseased punks, maybe you can send old people with their walkers on deliveries
2020-03-26T01:47:54 < jadew> https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/11214941/coronavirus-mum-stockpiling-for-four-years/
2020-03-26T01:48:00 < jadew> that's gonna last you for a year
2020-03-26T01:48:01 < Cracki> that's just retarded
2020-03-26T01:48:08 < qyx> restaurants are allowed to provide only delivery or "pick-up" service
2020-03-26T01:48:10 < qyx> no people inside
2020-03-26T01:48:26 < Cracki> people like her are the reason grocery stores have empty shelves of TP and pasta
2020-03-26T01:48:43 < jadew> Cracki, the article says she's been doing this for 4 years
2020-03-26T01:48:48 < Cracki> ah
2020-03-26T01:48:50 < jadew> she's the reason it's not worse
2020-03-26T01:49:09 < Cracki> yes, that pic is not four years for a family. depending on the kids this may be a week or two
2020-03-26T01:49:30 < jadew> that's enough for a year I think
2020-03-26T01:49:37 < jadew> if you had 1 or two kids
2020-03-26T01:49:45 < jadew> assuming you won't eat only that shit
2020-03-26T01:49:59 < qyx> hey she is writing she is not a panic buyer
2020-03-26T01:50:06 < qyx> oh 4 years
2020-03-26T01:50:07 < qyx> ok
2020-03-26T01:50:38 < Cracki> ah, there's a second picture! I didn't expect that :>
2020-03-26T01:50:51 < Cracki> *uses scroll wheel on a Sun article*
2020-03-26T01:51:18 < aandrew> wonder how long it'll take digikey to ship during covid
2020-03-26T01:51:36 < aandrew> my amazon orders are spotty; most are still fine but others are showing me prime delivery 1month out
2020-03-26T01:51:52 < Cracki> tape and reel, part distance is now a multiple of fourty millimeters
2020-03-26T01:52:01 < aandrew> hahaha
2020-03-26T01:52:08 < aandrew> you mean 2000mm
2020-03-26T01:52:43 < Cracki> ppl are insane. this is an exercise in government playing "simon says" and sheep jumping
2020-03-26T01:53:23 < Cracki> an arm's length would be plenty. keeps ppl from breathing down your neck or outright touching you (or raping you, according to government officials)
2020-03-26T01:55:34 < Cracki> why has business not invented "the apothecary" for custom orders? it's a quasi reality here. you redirect your deliveries to some post office or pet shop that wants to earn a little on the side, and you pick them up there
2020-03-26T01:56:19 < Cracki> could even work with higher throughput than right now. I don't need anyone to ring at my fucking door between 8am and 8pm
2020-03-26T01:56:37 < jadew> there'd be a queue
2020-03-26T01:56:45 < jadew> I'd rather have someone at my door than stand in line
2020-03-26T01:56:48 < Cracki> not if capacity is right
2020-03-26T01:57:25 < Cracki> imagine it. you order on digikey. something in their warehouse compiles the order, packs it up, sends it to your apothecary of choice, you get notified when it's there, you go and pcik it up when it's good
2020-03-26T01:57:56 < Cracki> provide "busy" indicators for the apothecary so people can pick less busy times to come
2020-03-26T01:58:11 < jadew> why not get it to your door tho?
2020-03-26T01:58:18 < Cracki> if I'm on the move anyway, which is in the mornings and evenings, I can just swing by
2020-03-26T01:58:27 < Cracki> because if I'm working, I am not at home
2020-03-26T01:58:28 < jadew> you leave home?
2020-03-26T01:58:35 < Cracki> not right now, but usually?
2020-03-26T01:58:51 < jadew> so why not get it delivered at work?
2020-03-26T01:59:10 < Cracki> order isn't for work
2020-03-26T01:59:29 < jadew> I want a pizza now
2020-03-26T01:59:35 < Cracki> besides I see the delivery ppl at work, they're totally lost. a square kilometer of shit has ONE house number.
2020-03-26T01:59:56 < Cracki> they wander the hallways, like in asterix at the mad house
2020-03-26T02:00:44 < Cracki> half the time, the fuckwit that ordered it didn't even put enough info on the address to route the parcel INSIDE the complex. you have to look them up in the directory, or google them and hope they put their name on the staff list of their institute.
2020-03-26T02:02:01 < Cracki> we have in-house postal service. they're supposed to receive all parcels from outside. obviously.
2020-03-26T02:02:23 < jadew> you switched jobs or something?
2020-03-26T02:02:32 < jadew> I thought you worked for a fairly small business
2020-03-26T02:03:54 < qyx> institute of 5 people
2020-03-26T02:04:29 < qyx> that recommended miniPCIe fooprint had 0.6mm wide pads with only 0.2mm clearance
2020-03-26T02:04:38 < qyx> it was pain to solder, many bridges
2020-03-26T02:05:53 < qyx> the pin itself is 0.15mm only so I narrowed them a bit to 0.5mm
2020-03-26T02:06:40 < Cracki> well I have one job at a tiny place. and there's some stuff to do at uni too.
2020-03-26T02:08:33 < Cracki> that sun article... "she had been compiling it for over 30 years". no, this stuff doesn't sit there for 30 years. it gets rotated obviously. she "has been practicing" this for 30 years.
2020-03-26T02:08:44 < Cracki> they make it sound like stamp collections
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2020-03-26T02:10:38 < qyx> they say 4 years
2020-03-26T02:10:59 < Cracki> yes. they say multiple things.
2020-03-26T02:11:08 < qyx> most of the things there have usage licenses for more than 4 years
2020-03-26T02:11:31 < Cracki> the whiskas probably not
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2020-03-26T02:33:43 < ds2> how is worldinfo meter different from the jhu data?
2020-03-26T02:38:00 < jadew> I think it updates more often
2020-03-26T02:38:05 < jadew> and uses more sources
2020-03-26T02:38:15 < jadew> including user contributed data
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2020-03-26T02:38:43 < jadew> and provides a very comprehensive change log, with links to articles
2020-03-26T02:43:50 < ds2> but no matching raw data I take it?
2020-03-26T02:44:01 < ds2> the jhu git repo is handy for doing my own graphs
2020-03-26T02:44:39 < Ecco> https://blog.zapb.de/stm32f1-exceptional-failure/
2020-03-26T02:45:19 < jadew> ds2, yeah, I use their data too
2020-03-26T02:45:34 < ds2> nice... how are you handling the CSV?
2020-03-26T02:45:46 < jadew> but for my last graph, I used the worldometer data, which is also available, but not with that much granularity
2020-03-26T02:46:06 < Cracki> jadew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2khWPKVQ-Q
2020-03-26T02:46:27 < Cracki> he's being facetious in that video
2020-03-26T02:46:56 < ds2> have you seen - https://coronadatascraper.com/ I like their population adjusted map to see how deep we are in for a location
2020-03-26T02:47:02 < jadew> ds2, I open it in calc, compute the sum, copy it into notepad, arrange it columns, back to calc, then csv and then I use it in octave
2020-03-26T02:47:29 < ds2> jadew: how are you pulling the labels in octave? octave can pull in a CSV directly but the labels turn into 0's
2020-03-26T02:47:44 < jadew> I don't use labels
2020-03-26T02:47:57 < jadew> I was only interested in the total number of deaths so far
2020-03-26T02:47:58 < ds2> oh.
2020-03-26T02:48:08 < jadew> so I didn't care about individual countries or anything like that
2020-03-26T02:48:25 < ds2> I see... my interest is in the slopes for different areas
2020-03-26T02:48:54 < Cracki> labels https://previews.123rf.com/images/inspirestock/inspirestock1402/inspirestock140219717/26383513-toe-tag-hanging-on-woman-lying-on-table-in-morgue.jpg
2020-03-26T02:49:53 < qyx> on USB device, can I connect VBUS_DET directly to 3V3 if it is permanently connected to the bus?
2020-03-26T02:50:17 < Cracki> vbus_det? is that for sensing presence of vbus voltage?
2020-03-26T02:50:26 < qyx> yes
2020-03-26T02:50:44 < Cracki> uhhh I guess?
2020-03-26T02:51:13 < qyx> me too
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2020-03-26T02:51:23 < Cracki> your device has dedicated bus sensing? I know they exist but I only ever had ones where you had to do that yourself and poke the usb peripheral accordingly
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2020-03-26T02:56:28 < bitmask> alright, got another 3d print in the plating bath, lets see what happens
2020-03-26T03:24:06 < jly> how about charlie's medallions 
2020-03-26T03:30:56 < qyx> ok, I asked aisler if they are still manufacturing
2020-03-26T03:31:01 < qyx> I am curious
2020-03-26T03:31:15 < qyx> china may be a better option atm
2020-03-26T03:31:58 < Cracki> lol
2020-03-26T03:32:37 < Cracki> I see no reason for them to stop working. they have no essential customer contact.
2020-03-26T03:33:59 < qyx> but I need the PCBs here and not in dutchland
2020-03-26T03:34:40 < aandrew> bitmask: what are you doing to plate the plastic? what's the initial layer to get the plating to stick?
2020-03-26T03:41:43 < jly> all the good stuff happens in Steffanx land
2020-03-26T03:41:46 < jly> stroopwafels
2020-03-26T03:46:36 < bitmask> graphite + ink
2020-03-26T03:52:30 < Laurenceb> jews are the real victims of coronavirus
2020-03-26T03:52:55 < Laurenceb> with parliament talking about coronavirus, they dont have time to punish Jeremy Corbyn for his antisemitism
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2020-03-26T03:56:15 < jly> I thought prince charles was the real victim
2020-03-26T03:56:32 < Laurenceb> >it was his last day today
2020-03-26T03:56:50 < Laurenceb> no moar jew bashing in parliament *sad*
2020-03-26T03:57:34 < Laurenceb> maybe he will become Ben Garrisons apprentice
2020-03-26T03:57:49 < jly> what are you talking about
2020-03-26T04:00:58 < bitmask> dont ask him questions, it will only make things worse
2020-03-26T04:01:09 < bitmask> ;)
2020-03-26T04:01:35 < jly> (:
2020-03-26T04:01:45 < jly> you can tell i'm bored
2020-03-26T04:02:57 < jly> I'm self isolating
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2020-03-26T04:08:55 < bitmask> it worked, just very dull, hopefully it will be complete different when I get brightener: https://i.imgur.com/sJUse3I.png
2020-03-26T04:12:45 < doomba> looks like some kind of alien turd
2020-03-26T04:19:52 < jly> WiSH THE FUCKING PUB WAS OPEN
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2020-03-26T04:42:48 < Cracki> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition#United_Kingdom
2020-03-26T04:42:53 < Cracki> start a mob maybe
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2020-03-26T07:21:03 < R2COM> yo
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2020-03-26T08:51:01 < boddax> wow russian government sent big help thanks a lot to them  ''from russia with love''
2020-03-26T08:53:06 < boddax> very funny what you expected from EU ? ..well nothing , it come from other countries
2020-03-26T08:53:26 < boddax> from EU can expect only additional taxes
2020-03-26T09:04:04 < R2COM> how naive and stupid
2020-03-26T09:04:28 < R2COM> they did that for IT to vode against russian sanctions, and they did it cuz italian gov. is one of the most corrupt and easily bribed
2020-03-26T09:04:41 < R2COM> "help from russi"....give me a break
2020-03-26T09:04:53 < R2COM> vote*
2020-03-26T09:05:38 < R2COM> also, why would someone expect something from someone instead of doing stuff for oneself?.... jeez...
2020-03-26T09:06:01 < R2COM> no wonder why italy is in dipshit, even without coronavirus
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2020-03-26T09:18:35 < R2COM> yo jly
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2020-03-26T09:19:50 < jly> hi R2COM 
2020-03-26T09:19:54 < jly> how are you ?
2020-03-26T09:21:16 < R2COM> im great
2020-03-26T09:21:27 < jly> excellent
2020-03-26T09:21:56 < R2COM> getting ready for bed
2020-03-26T09:22:02 < jly> perfect
2020-03-26T09:22:22 < jly> i've got aids
2020-03-26T09:25:30 < R2COM> fuck i dont feel like sleeping but need to work early tomorrow
2020-03-26T09:25:32 < R2COM> it sucks
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2020-03-26T09:26:18 < R2COM> proly will go to bed and turn on some youtube video about space or aliens on low volume
2020-03-26T09:26:23 < R2COM> i fall asleep well under such shit
2020-03-26T09:26:51 < R2COM> nothing much to watch after i finished all seasons of HUsos
2020-03-26T09:27:35 < R2COM> ok cya
2020-03-26T09:28:11 < jly> xoxo
2020-03-26T09:28:38 < jly> see you tomorrow
2020-03-26T09:28:42 < R2COM> sure
2020-03-26T09:30:15 < jly> you better
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2020-03-26T11:13:39 < PaulFertser> So I tried to glue a rubber patch to a rubber push bike inner tube. Failed horribly. Great cohesion, and almost no adhesion at all. Was it because I used "white spirit" to clean the surfaces or because I used a polyurethane glue?
2020-03-26T11:18:02 < Streaker> I think plastic glues work by dissolving the plastic so they won't work on rubber
2020-03-26T11:18:14 < BrainDamage> you need to sandpaper both surfaces with one with rough grit if you want to improve cohesion
2020-03-26T11:18:29 < BrainDamage> and you need an epoxydic (spelling?) glue
2020-03-26T11:18:37 < BrainDamage> err, improve adhesion
2020-03-26T11:19:02 < Streaker> you get a specific glue for tires. it is made of rubber? atleast it is flexible and wont crack when the tire flexes.
2020-03-26T11:19:16 < Streaker> epoxy glues will tear the rubber when the rubber stretches.
2020-03-26T11:20:38 < Steffanx> Now i wonder what kind of push bike PaulFertser is referring to. Not one of those kids toys?
2020-03-26T11:21:08 < Steffanx> And i usually just use the glue that comes with the bicycle tire repair kit. Which is some kind of rubber cement glue.
2020-03-26T11:22:00 < Steffanx> Its an excellent glue to sniff i just read.
2020-03-26T11:24:36 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: yes, I used a small file to roughen the surface
2020-03-26T11:25:40 < PaulFertser> Streaker: polyurethane is very flexible though. When I say cohesion is good I mean that I got a perfect flexible thin film of that glue after pulling it a bit from my patch :)
2020-03-26T11:26:20 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: in this case I mean my road racing bicycle, and of course I also pull on the pedals because they're of clip-in type.
2020-03-26T11:26:49 < PaulFertser> Streaker: agreed, epoxy glues are not suitable
2020-03-26T11:26:55 < Streaker> PaulFertser: I thought polyurethane glue was the glue used to join water pipes etc. I just googled it and it is something else.
2020-03-26T11:27:11 < PaulFertser> Streaker: indeed, I was always using some rubber cement glues that come with the patches and they worked just fine
2020-03-26T11:28:40 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: btw, I also preheated the surfaces with a hair dryer prior to attaching, I've read it helps a lot with polyurethane.
2020-03-26T11:30:30 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: "Merida road 903", an entry-level road racing, alu frame, carbon fork, shimano tiagra, 2x9.
2020-03-26T11:30:55 < Streaker> http://www.madehow.com/Volume-6/Rubber-Cement.html
2020-03-26T11:31:11 < Streaker> I wonder if you can DIY rubber cement with gasoline/petrol.
2020-03-26T11:33:01 < PaulFertser> btw, I got tubeless on my motorbike and it's really nice, I just always carry few rubber plugs with a tool and a small hand pump, and it saved my trip several times.
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2020-03-26T11:35:22 < PaulFertser> So the real question is, I guess, if white spirit is known to be unsuitable for cleaning surfaces prior to gluing.
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2020-03-26T11:42:23 < Steffanx> To behonest i dont know. And i never do it. Isnt white spirit a bit greasy (or whatever the proper word for it in english is)?
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2020-03-26T11:44:53 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: well, it kinda feels that way but I'm not sure it actually affect adhesion.
2020-03-26T11:55:26 < veverak> how many of you write desktop-executable tests for your embedded stuff?
2020-03-26T11:56:07 < qyx> lets start with a narrower question: how many of you write tests
2020-03-26T11:56:22 < qyx> for embedded, multiply by 0.1
2020-03-26T11:56:29 < qyx> for desktop executable, multiply by 0.1
2020-03-26T11:57:10 < srk> :D
2020-03-26T11:57:57 < Steffanx> Use Haksell or Ada, then you dont need tests...
2020-03-26T11:58:04  * srk prefers quickcheck properties nowadays
2020-03-26T12:04:50  * veverak got rapidcheck, but ...
2020-03-26T12:05:08 < veverak> well, testing a lot of separate random inputs is cpu intensive, so it's more like 'separate set of tests'
2020-03-26T12:06:08 < veverak> and debugging student homeworks on university gave me good sense of 'corner cases for code' so I prefer to have main set of tests 'traiditonal' (as I generate the data)
2020-03-26T12:08:36 < mawk> >haksell
2020-03-26T12:09:04 < mawk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkvfdlflLh8
2020-03-26T12:09:07 < mawk> best haksell video
2020-03-26T12:09:53 < Steffanx> hah
2020-03-26T12:10:14 < mawk> what is "filmpje"
2020-03-26T12:10:16 < mawk> what is that ugly p
2020-03-26T12:10:28 < mawk> why not filmtje
2020-03-26T12:10:54 < Steffanx> because i bet there is some rule that says when to use what
2020-03-26T12:11:00 < Steffanx> its also "boompje" 
2020-03-26T12:11:07 < mawk> little tree ?
2020-03-26T12:11:09 < mawk> that's ugly
2020-03-26T12:11:11 < mawk> who made that rule
2020-03-26T12:11:23 < Steffanx> yes
2020-03-26T12:11:49 < mawk> I bought gas and electricity from stedin, but eneco sends me a bill
2020-03-26T12:11:53 < mawk> are they the same thing ?
2020-03-26T12:12:15 < mawk> cuz I just paid 200€ to eneco and my bank account is already negative
2020-03-26T12:12:22 < mawk> but on the other hand I like heating and electricity
2020-03-26T12:12:29 < veverak> anyway, I have simulation layer that does basic simulation of the  code in the visualizer (well, it's a robot...) and I used part of that codebase to write tests
2020-03-26T12:12:31 < mawk> my company still didn't pay me
2020-03-26T12:12:35 < veverak> somehow I feel that this is necessary
2020-03-26T12:12:51 < Steffanx> The best one is "columnpje" mawk. Because then you do no pronounce the n but you have to write it.
2020-03-26T12:12:54 < Steffanx> *not
2020-03-26T12:13:01 < mawk> lol
2020-03-26T12:14:14 < Steffanx> one is gas the other is electricity i guess mawk?
2020-03-26T12:16:06 < mawk> a
2020-03-26T12:16:10 < mawk> I hope the 200€ was the gas one
2020-03-26T12:16:17 < mawk> and electricity is cheap
2020-03-26T12:16:22 < Steffanx> Shouldnt be that hard to see right?
2020-03-26T12:17:25 < mawk> I don't have credentials to my account
2020-03-26T12:17:30 < mawk> I had to wait for the last warning letter
2020-03-26T12:17:38 < mawk> they cut everything in 2 days according to the letter
2020-03-26T12:17:43 < mawk> I hope they get my bank wire on time
2020-03-26T12:18:45 < Steffanx> ohno that's not it. In the past it was the same company, but they had to split up. One that manages the infrastructure and one that sells you the gas/electricity. 
2020-03-26T12:19:36 < jadew> our health minister has resigned
2020-03-26T12:20:15 < Steffanx> Same happened here a while. After he collapsed while giving a talk.
2020-03-26T12:20:20 < Steffanx> *a while ago
2020-03-26T12:20:41 < jadew> here, he announced that they'll test everyone in my city, then he quit the next morning (today)
2020-03-26T12:20:58 < jadew> it's unclear why
2020-03-26T12:21:14 < jadew> it's either because they didn't want the plans to be public or because they can't do it
2020-03-26T12:21:44 < jadew> I'm not even sure what I think about being tested, I don't want someone's glove next to my face after it was breathe on by 1000 other people
2020-03-26T12:22:04 < mawk> probably they can't do it
2020-03-26T12:22:12 < mawk> there's a shortage of basic stuff like pipettes and tubes
2020-03-26T12:22:23 < jadew> and tests (in romania)
2020-03-26T12:22:25 < mawk> without mentionning the more specialized equipmet
2020-03-26T12:22:29 < mawk> like cell breaking material
2020-03-26T12:23:52 < PaulFertser> Some private companies in ru started testing for SARS-CoV-2, it's about 20 EUR.
2020-03-26T12:24:03 < jadew> that's cheap
2020-03-26T12:24:07 < jadew> in here it's about 80 EUR
2020-03-26T12:25:09 < PaulFertser> russia is awesome
2020-03-26T12:25:41 < mawk> my shady supplier of prescription meds started selling corona meds now
2020-03-26T12:25:52 < mawk> he sells chloroquine and all that stuff
2020-03-26T12:25:56 < mawk> not that cheap tho
2020-03-26T12:26:00 < PaulFertser> Dangerous stuff
2020-03-26T12:26:56 < Steffanx> Shady mawk ?
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2020-03-26T12:27:41 < mawk> yes, I mean illegal
2020-03-26T12:28:01 < mawk> I had bought antidepressants for a friend years ago
2020-03-26T12:28:18 < qyx> why is everyone putting pullup resistors on SDIO lines when the spec says they must be LOW when the card is powered up?
2020-03-26T12:28:44 < jadew> "for a friend"
2020-03-26T12:28:58 < Steffanx> In dutchland the director of a [whatever]chloroquine need security because he was threatened by shady people like that... mawk
2020-03-26T12:29:08 < Steffanx> * manufacturer
2020-03-26T12:29:22 < jadew> heh
2020-03-26T12:29:27 < jadew> wait till people get hungry
2020-03-26T12:31:41 < mawk> hydroxy
2020-03-26T12:31:48 < Steffanx> Have a copy and location when I can read that qyx?
2020-03-26T12:32:01 < Steffanx> *where
2020-03-26T12:32:21 < mawk> lol jadew 
2020-03-26T12:32:23 < mawk> for real
2020-03-26T12:32:34 < qyx> Steffanx: trying to find it again
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2020-03-26T12:43:44 < doomba> google and bing have failed us
2020-03-26T12:43:48 < doomba> and the main stream media too
2020-03-26T12:44:24 < doomba> i saw in the headlines that the USA passed the $2T stimulus bill
2020-03-26T12:44:50 < doomba> so far all of the news circulating about it are citing other news sites - none of them are citing the bill itself.
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2020-03-26T12:46:00 < doomba> i found some strange document on new york times servers that looks like maybe it was a schedule for talking about the bill
2020-03-26T12:46:36 < jadew> who would you choose to be the health prime minister in these trying times:
2020-03-26T12:47:00 < jadew> a) https://www.euractiv.ro/library/phpthumb/phpThumb.php?src=%2Fimages%2Farticole%2F18159.jpg&w=1140&f=jpeg&q=90&hash=2b904cbc8e9a377a5ba
2020-03-26T12:47:00 < doomba> so i'm looking for the bill...
2020-03-26T12:47:14 < jadew> link isn't working... stupid image protection
2020-03-26T12:47:29 < jadew> a) https://www.euractiv.ro/library/phpthumb/phpThumb.php?src=%2Fimages%2Farticole%2F18159.jpg&w=1140&f=jpeg&q=90&hash=2b904cbc8e9a377a5b4153db03c3ba8a
2020-03-26T12:47:35 < doomba> and all that comes up are news media talking about the bill without linking to the bill or even naming it so people can search for it.
2020-03-26T12:47:37 < jadew> b) https://www.antena3.ro/thumbs/big3/2020/03/25/nelu-tataru-noi-precizari-despre-situatia-de-la-spitalul-din-suceava-sunt-cazuri-din-ce-in-ce-mai-652838.jpg
2020-03-26T12:50:19 < karlp> why the fuck are we judging on appearance jadew?
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2020-03-26T12:51:34 < jadew> karlp, not being self-aware is not a good sign
2020-03-26T12:51:52 < jadew> smart people that don't care about their own appearance don't look like that
2020-03-26T12:52:10 < jadew> that guy looks like he does, but he's too dumb to get it right
2020-03-26T12:57:43 < Cracki> pick a, looks less sweaty and about to clutch his chest
2020-03-26T13:00:06 < Cracki> thx veverak, srk for pointing me to some usable property checkers. I saw the concept a while ago, even had to deal with some academic things (full blown software model checkers that actually prove correctness) but missed out on the tame sorts.
2020-03-26T13:00:47 < veverak> Cracki: my favourite is actually 'klee'
2020-03-26T13:00:56 < veverak> as it does symbolic verification over real code
2020-03-26T13:01:07 < veverak> but my C++ version is too high for it :)
2020-03-26T13:02:43 < srk> Cracki: there's quickcheck port for most langs nowadays
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2020-03-26T13:07:00 < Cracki> yes, I found something for python and something for C. I might actually make use of that
2020-03-26T13:07:57 < Cracki> wikipedia links three options for C. one of them links to some phishing site (from github). the second exposes a lot of guts.
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2020-03-26T13:09:50 < veverak> C
2020-03-26T13:10:07 < veverak> nah, I rather do not want to see the API
2020-03-26T13:17:56 < qyx> Steffanx: I didn't find anything, could be a dream
2020-03-26T13:18:06 < Steffanx> Good dreams :)
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2020-03-26T13:20:09 < Steffanx> Lol love to see code like this: "if(sendamessage) _delay_ms(1); // otherwise it goes to fast for the control panel .. sendmessage(); " ... Especially when its a response to a message the control panel sent :D
2020-03-26T13:20:56 < Steffanx> Awesome thing is i have to delay as well, since I'm just reimplementing the slave part of the system.
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2020-03-26T13:23:17 < jadew> looks like great programming
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2020-03-26T15:00:57 < zyp> Steffanx, nice lack of flow control
2020-03-26T15:06:35 < Steffanx> Yeah, its awesome.
2020-03-26T15:09:24 < Steffanx> im not even sure where the limitation comes from. Especially since its just a pretty slow uart bus (baud rate = 2400 ) and compared to the slave the master isnt that slow.
2020-03-26T15:12:30 < qyx> isn't it halfduplex?
2020-03-26T15:14:32 < Steffanx> nein.
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2020-03-26T15:56:28 < englishman> gas €0.45/l here
2020-03-26T16:00:05 < benishor> cheap af
2020-03-26T16:00:44 < englishman> good opportunity to raise gas tax
2020-03-26T16:00:46 < benishor> it's around €1 where I'm from
2020-03-26T16:01:21 < benishor> btw, I see an impedance mismatch considering your nickname and brittons' love for eu
2020-03-26T16:01:32 < benishor> so why use €?
2020-03-26T16:01:48 < englishman> pragmatism
2020-03-26T16:01:57 < benishor> how so?
2020-03-26T16:02:05 < englishman> noone uses £
2020-03-26T16:02:14 < benishor> not even in the uk?
2020-03-26T16:02:18 < englishman> so it's like speaking Arab in an Israel
2020-03-26T16:03:44 < englishman> we should probably switch to 元
2020-03-26T16:05:26 < englishman> gas is 3.5元/l
2020-03-26T16:05:34 < karlp> wha tis that, won?
2020-03-26T16:05:36 < karlp> or baht?
2020-03-26T16:05:45 < englishman> rmb yuan
2020-03-26T16:05:54 < karlp> hrm, I thought it was a different symbol
2020-03-26T16:06:01 < englishman> ¥?
2020-03-26T16:06:22 < karlp> hrm, no, I've mixed it up with something else
2020-03-26T16:06:55 < karlp> I think I always had this in my mind: https://dictionary.hantrainerpro.com/chinese-english/translation-yue_moon.htm
2020-03-26T16:07:17 < benishor> https://fsymbols.com/signs/yen-yuan/
2020-03-26T16:07:55 < benishor>  In China, the character was later abbreviated with the different character 元, which has the same pronunciation in Mandarin (but not in Japanese).
2020-03-26T16:08:03 < benishor> so it's the same mary with a different hat
2020-03-26T16:08:07 < Steffanx> where is benishor from?
2020-03-26T16:08:32 < benishor> Steffanx: Romania that is
2020-03-26T16:08:51 < benishor> the land of the old and righteous thracians
2020-03-26T16:08:59 < Steffanx> and jadew
2020-03-26T16:09:10 < englishman> and vampires
2020-03-26T16:09:16 < Steffanx> and romas
2020-03-26T16:09:26 < benishor> we do have some, yes
2020-03-26T16:09:37 < englishman> vampires?
2020-03-26T16:09:38 < benishor> as most eastern european countries do
2020-03-26T16:09:42 < benishor> vampies *and* roma
2020-03-26T16:10:01 < benishor> the big catch however is that you can counteract one with the other
2020-03-26T16:10:21 < benishor> actually it's rroma, not roma
2020-03-26T16:10:29 < englishman> even though they both suck out your life essence
2020-03-26T16:10:32 < benishor> the double r makes a whole difference 
2020-03-26T16:10:46 < benishor> agree, except some do it by day whereas the others do it by night
2020-03-26T16:11:00 < englishman> ah yes completely different
2020-03-26T16:11:34 < benishor> if they would refrain to simply sucking that would be a pleasant thing
2020-03-26T16:11:42 < benishor> but when it comes to sucking your life essence .. 
2020-03-26T16:11:52 < benishor> I'll have to say no to that
2020-03-26T16:13:23 < BrainDamage> they should take a hint from sexual demons and try to suck your life essence from another part of the body
2020-03-26T16:14:22 < benishor> for some reason that reminded me of Graham Masterton's Djinn
2020-03-26T16:14:25 < benishor> pretty scary book
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2020-03-26T16:24:15 < Laurenceb> coronavirus is checking ur multicellular privilege, mammal-lord
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2020-03-26T16:29:05 < englishman> karlp https://bifreidatolur.samgongustofa.is/
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2020-03-26T16:29:30 < englishman> just 2500 cars sold in .is
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2020-03-26T16:29:43 < englishman> no wonder you can't get a miata
2020-03-26T16:29:43 < Laurenceb> where even is that?
2020-03-26T16:30:29 < englishman> tesla the #1 brand in .is
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2020-03-26T16:32:54 < Laurenceb> iceland?
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2020-03-26T16:35:06 < jadew> https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/nurses-appear-to-put-live-coronavirus-patient-in-body-bag-in-iran-c-742670
2020-03-26T16:35:29 < jadew> I think after Korea, Iran will be the next to get out of this
2020-03-26T16:35:49 < jadew> probably a good time to buy iranian stocks
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2020-03-26T16:38:30 < Laurenceb> kek wtf
2020-03-26T16:38:36 < Laurenceb> >he's gunna die anyway
2020-03-26T16:39:33 < jadew> probably not her first rodeo
2020-03-26T16:43:12 < jadew> math says you'll have 7440 dead in ~20 days in the UK
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2020-03-26T16:43:43 < jadew> might be less tho, I don't remember when you started with the lockdown
2020-03-26T16:44:29 < karlp> englishman: how do you get tesla being #1? also, where the fuck are all those teslas? I'm sure as shit not seeing them on the road
2020-03-26T16:44:42 < englishman> well there's only 300 lol
2020-03-26T16:44:48 < englishman> check for new cars only
2020-03-26T16:44:53 < englishman> it includes used ones by default
2020-03-26T16:44:55 < karlp> that's just for 2020 too,
2020-03-26T16:45:27 < karlp> 2019 tesla was barely a blip for 2019.
2020-03-26T16:45:28 < englishman> they only started selling them in 2020 afaik
2020-03-26T16:45:54 < englishman> it was recent anyway
2020-03-26T16:46:17 < karlp> we had a tesla showroom in a shopping center here at least 18 months ago, longer I think actually
2020-03-26T16:46:21  * karlp shrugs
2020-03-26T16:46:35 < karlp> are you doing stock research or what? why looking at .is figures? we're miniscule
2020-03-26T16:46:39 < englishman> maybe just the model 3 then? idk
2020-03-26T16:46:50 < karlp> and still, new cars only, is still toyota number 1?
2020-03-26T16:47:03 < karlp> oh, new registerd, but used?
2020-03-26T16:47:05 < karlp> weird
2020-03-26T16:47:08 < karlp> I wonder how that happens,
2020-03-26T16:47:21 < englishman> imports?
2020-03-26T16:47:28 < karlp> I guess?
2020-03-26T16:49:47 < englishman> even at 3.5元/l it's still much cheaper with electric
2020-03-26T16:50:10 < karlp> both polaris and can-am both outselling landrover
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2020-03-26T16:50:20 < englishman> haha
2020-03-26T16:51:16 < karlp> landrover well better than them both last year thogh
2020-03-26T16:51:28 < karlp> not really sure the first 2.5 months of this year are very useful 
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2020-03-26T16:51:39 < karlp> still, why ar eyou looking at icelandic car sales?
2020-03-26T16:52:33 < englishman> one of the countries with public and recent data
2020-03-26T16:52:53 < englishman> also clean electricity
2020-03-26T16:55:18 < karlp> heh
2020-03-26T16:55:23 < karlp> sort of.
2020-03-26T16:55:38 < karlp> most of the emissions credits have been sold,
2020-03-26T16:55:50 < karlp> it's not really green.
2020-03-26T16:56:10 < benishor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH2guTTyX8s&feature=youtu.be&t=15
2020-03-26T16:56:33 < englishman> really?
2020-03-26T16:56:38 < englishman> Over 80% of electricity in Iceland is generated in hydroelectric power stations.
2020-03-26T16:56:41 < englishman> top of the wikipedia page
2020-03-26T16:57:24 < karlp> sure
2020-03-26T16:57:36 < karlp> the generation is all green.
2020-03-26T16:57:42 < karlp> but that's not how energy trading works.
2020-03-26T16:58:04 < karlp> though the aluminium plants claming green aluminium would love you to look over that
2020-03-26T16:58:33 < englishman> well, i need enlightening, please continue
2020-03-26T16:59:57 < karlp> trying to find the right links,
2020-03-26T17:00:14 < karlp> but basically, energy retailing is separate from energy generation, by law, eea wide.
2020-03-26T17:00:25 < karlp> back later, have a meeting first sorry
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2020-03-26T17:18:16 < Laurenceb> is there a hvdc link to uk under construction?
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2020-03-26T17:30:23 < Cracki> jadew, I think that body bag thing is staged. staging something that will send europeans into hysterics is a fun pastime of middle easterners
2020-03-26T17:32:34 < jadew> I doubt they care about us at the moment
2020-03-26T17:32:46 < jadew> they're probably at the peak of their outbreak
2020-03-26T17:32:55 < jadew> and that's a country with a single peak
2020-03-26T17:33:06 < jadew> they'll get very fast over it
2020-03-26T17:34:12 < jadew> I wonder what happened with the gate lickers
2020-03-26T17:34:27 < Cracki> the wat
2020-03-26T17:35:11 < jadew> https://youtu.be/23QqBOLf48o?t=15
2020-03-26T17:35:12 < Cracki> kek https://nypost.com/2020/03/02/iranians-licking-religious-shrines-in-defiance-of-coronavirus-spread/
2020-03-26T17:35:31 < Cracki> is that real metal or just shiny plastic
2020-03-26T17:35:47 < jadew> metal
2020-03-26T17:37:00 < Cracki> maybe it's silver or copper. those kill some germs.
2020-03-26T17:37:11 < Cracki> either way, their god will judge them
2020-03-26T17:37:13 < benishor> smart
2020-03-26T17:37:53 < benishor> "take this coronavirus! I'm going to become immune to your shit!!111"
2020-03-26T17:38:17 < Cracki> darwin smiles upon you
2020-03-26T17:38:59 < Cracki> culling the herd leaves you with fewer mouths to feed, and tougher genetics
2020-03-26T17:39:34 < benishor> faster herd too
2020-03-26T17:39:50 < Cracki> faster how
2020-03-26T17:39:51 < benishor> the slow (thick) are being eaten
2020-03-26T17:40:01 < Cracki> this isn't zombies yet
2020-03-26T17:40:19 < Cracki> those that do the eating will turn fat too
2020-03-26T17:40:38 < Cracki> this is a gigantic game of snake. in the end you will have one american-sized persian
2020-03-26T17:41:04 < karlp> englishman: so, because retail and generation are separate (transmission is too, but that's not as relevant to this)  teh retailers "buy" their energy from the generators, and they can pay for an origin certificate to ceritfy that it's "green"
2020-03-26T17:41:17 < karlp> so generators can sell those to ~anyone.
2020-03-26T17:41:52 < karlp> and as it happens, most of the generation in iceland has had it's certs sold abroad, so ze germans can buy green energy.
2020-03-26T17:42:20 < karlp> the aluminium smelters here aren't paying the premium for "green energy" so they can't _really_ say they're doing green aluminimum
2020-03-26T17:42:33 < karlp> but they side step aroudn it a bit and claim it's green because they're in iceland.
2020-03-26T17:42:44 < karlp> the laws on this are all slowly tightening.
2020-03-26T17:45:19 < karlp> ie, the penalties haven't arrived for the shitty claims yet :)
2020-03-26T17:47:57 < englishman> what am i missing? if all the generation is "green" what does that change
2020-03-26T17:49:20 < karlp> that it was also sold to someone else as green.
2020-03-26T17:49:29 < karlp> you can't sell it as green twice.
2020-03-26T17:49:53 < karlp> the rights to sell energy as green is a credit on kwh generated, that is bought and sold.
2020-03-26T17:50:03 < karlp> for instance, "Sala á skírteinunum skilaði Landsvirkjun til að mynda tæplega 900 milljónum króna á árinu 2019."
2020-03-26T17:50:23 < karlp> the (biggest) generator here sold certifications for 900 m kr in 2019,
2020-03-26T17:51:16 < karlp> the big buyers arne't paying that premium, because, duh, they came here to have cheap power, not green power.
2020-03-26T17:51:25 < karlp> but they very much like claiming it's green anyway
2020-03-26T17:51:30 < englishman> but it is
2020-03-26T17:51:33 < englishman> because it's hydro
2020-03-26T17:51:36 < karlp> no....
2020-03-26T17:51:36 < englishman> i really don't get it
2020-03-26T17:51:45 < karlp> pretend it's   not iceland,
2020-03-26T17:51:55 < karlp> and you are in mainland europe where the grid's connected
2020-03-26T17:52:12 < karlp> and you actually have 30-30-30-10 coal, oil, nucle, wind
2020-03-26T17:52:18 < karlp> whatever mix you like
2020-03-26T17:52:28 < karlp> and  you're a consumer and you want to buy only wind power
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2020-03-26T17:52:45 < karlp> you can't actually control that the electrons onlyt came from the wind plant
2020-03-26T17:52:54 < englishman> that's fine
2020-03-26T17:53:02 < karlp> ok, so iceland participates in that market...
2020-03-26T17:53:05 < englishman> it's still 10% wind
2020-03-26T17:53:31 < karlp> and you _should_ only claim to be using green energy if you're paying the premium for the wind.
2020-03-26T17:53:45 < karlp> ie, only 10% of the energy consumed is allowed to be called "wind"
2020-03-26T17:53:52 < karlp> (in my mix above)
2020-03-26T17:54:07 < englishman> that's fine too, those wind producers charge a premium
2020-03-26T17:54:11 < karlp> indeed.
2020-03-26T17:54:16 < karlp> wel, they don't
2020-03-26T17:54:21 < karlp> they sell certifications to the retailers
2020-03-26T17:54:25 < englishman> ok, but the buyers pay the premium
2020-03-26T17:54:28 < karlp> correct
2020-03-26T17:54:39 < karlp> and the aluminium smelters in iceland are _not_ paying the premium
2020-03-26T17:54:58 < englishman> so even though you sell power on the eu market you don't have eu pricing
2020-03-26T17:55:12 < karlp> what do you mean by "eu pricing" ?
2020-03-26T17:55:29 < englishman> what you're implying is the buyers have cheaper pricing on .is than .eu and so they move there
2020-03-26T17:56:10 < karlp> there's nothingparticularly special there.
2020-03-26T17:56:12 < doomba> hrm got the covid email from gl-inet. and is reminded to see if they have the mudi with the faster LTE module back in stock.
2020-03-26T17:56:13 < englishman> oh, you're saying the "green" ideology is being sold twice
2020-03-26T17:56:14 < englishman> ok
2020-03-26T17:56:19 < karlp> correct
2020-03-26T17:56:23 < englishman> but still, it's 99% hydro
2020-03-26T17:56:24 < karlp> the smelter shouldn't say it's green,
2020-03-26T17:56:42 < karlp> yes, the electrons they use are (of course) from icelandic hydro/geo.
2020-03-26T17:56:52 < karlp> but someone in germany is "using" those kwh.
2020-03-26T17:57:04 < karlp> and paid for that privilege
2020-03-26T17:57:07 < englishman> that's a little gay
2020-03-26T17:57:15 < karlp> modern market enconomy baby
2020-03-26T17:57:27 < englishman> is the generation included in eu's breakdown
2020-03-26T17:57:28 < karlp> it's intended to provide incentives to operators of green plants.
2020-03-26T17:57:38 < doomba> damn EP06-A still out of stock
2020-03-26T17:57:40 < englishman> or is it insignificant
2020-03-26T17:57:51 < karlp> what do you mean in "eu's breakdown" ?
2020-03-26T17:57:58 < englishman> in your 30-30-30-10 split for example
2020-03-26T17:58:17 < karlp> that's teh split of actual generation I proposed.
2020-03-26T17:58:29 < englishman> surely once enough green power is mandated, eu will have to decrease dirty power due to lack of demand
2020-03-26T17:58:41 < karlp> correct.
2020-03-26T17:58:52 < karlp> then you start having to pay penalties to operate "dirty" plants
2020-03-26T17:58:59 < karlp> which is carbon credit trading
2020-03-26T17:59:01 < englishman> sounds gr8
2020-03-26T17:59:04 < karlp> the other side of the same coin really.
2020-03-26T17:59:06 < englishman> .is being ahead of the curve
2020-03-26T17:59:17 < karlp> not really, it's not our game, we just joined in.
2020-03-26T17:59:19 < englishman> stands to profit
2020-03-26T17:59:22 < englishman> teslas for everyone
2020-03-26T17:59:28 < karlp> riiiight
2020-03-26T18:00:05 < karlp> .is total generation is a drop in the ocean compared to all of mainland europe, 
2020-03-26T18:00:08 < doomba> carbon credit is such a scam
2020-03-26T18:00:27 < karlp> it's why it's ridiculous for people to talk about it being our "obligation" to build smelters here, to save the planet
2020-03-26T18:00:28 < doomba> we don't know if it will even work because people are gonna be greedy
2020-03-26T18:00:40 < karlp> doomba: well, it _is_ working, but sure, it could be better
2020-03-26T18:00:46 < englishman> well you have like, the population of strasbourg
2020-03-26T18:00:55 < karlp> englishman: duh, I know that :) 
2020-03-26T18:01:09 < englishman> my little town has like 2x as many people
2020-03-26T18:01:23 < karlp> but we have people literalyl claiming we should damn every river to "provide clean power for european industry" like euro industry would even notice :)
2020-03-26T18:01:40 < englishman> well
2020-03-26T18:01:43 < englishman> that is what my area did
2020-03-26T18:01:50 < karlp> the smelters came here mostly because the state offered to pay for building the plants entirely for them.
2020-03-26T18:01:57 < englishman> and now we a) have cheap power b) sell it at premium to foreigners
2020-03-26T18:02:23 < englishman> that's why i use like 15MWh/year
2020-03-26T18:02:49 < doomba> i hope i get a coronacheck so i can upgrade my solar batteries :)
2020-03-26T18:02:57 < doomba> lifepo4 baby!
2020-03-26T18:03:47 < doomba> the carbon credit stuff just has to get us to the point where we're using clean energy to build things to produce even more clean energy
2020-03-26T18:03:58 < karlp> that's... what it's for
2020-03-26T18:04:05 < englishman> ha my bad, 42MWh/year
2020-03-26T18:04:40 < doomba> karlp: until merimutts game it
2020-03-26T18:04:50 < karlp> well, it's still what it's for...
2020-03-26T18:05:54 < englishman> thx for the explanation karl
2020-03-26T18:06:16 < doomba> i have a strong suspicion that our supply chain is gonna be rekt by covid-19
2020-03-26T18:06:29 < doomba> and that means lots of bankrupt farmers are going to be switching to solar
2020-03-26T18:06:47 < doomba> turning their soy & corn fields into solar farms
2020-03-26T18:06:51 < doomba> or wind farms
2020-03-26T18:07:34 < doomba> this is what the big agtech startups have been hedging on, i think.
2020-03-26T18:07:43 < doomba> it's going to be a huge rapid transformation
2020-03-26T18:10:31 < karlp> englishman: you're welcome
2020-03-26T18:11:16 < karlp> I  think you mis-spellt "lots of bankrupt farmers are going to have their famrs bought off them and turned to solar"
2020-03-26T18:12:49 < specing> doomba: how are bankrupt farmers gonna afford solar panels?
2020-03-26T18:12:56 < specing> and who will buy their electricity?
2020-03-26T18:15:43 < Cracki> coal burners are gonna buy it in spades, at least the carbon credits
2020-03-26T18:16:15 < karlp> englishman: https://www.aib-net.org/facts/european-residual-mix has more of it for different places
2020-03-26T18:17:19 < karlp> englishman: also https://www.landsnet.is/vidskipti/vidskipti/gjaldskra/upprunaabyrgdir/ on page 4 of the charty thingy, you can see the residual mix for iceland, (only up to 2018 so far, boo) but you can see that in 2015, they hadn't sold all of it (yet) so residual mix was still msotly hydro
2020-03-26T18:17:23 < karlp> by 2018 it's ~all gone
2020-03-26T18:18:10 < karlp> there's the prices for icelandic certs too.
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2020-03-26T18:50:38 < Laurenceb> >balconies in Spain
2020-03-26T18:50:50 < Laurenceb> >ppl sit on them and clap for health workers
2020-03-26T18:51:00 < Laurenceb> >balconies opposite me in uk
2020-03-26T18:51:32 < Laurenceb> >ppl sit on them smoking weed and shouting UR A NONCE... NO UR A PEDO at each other
2020-03-26T18:53:06 < Steffanx> ok
2020-03-26T18:53:51 < Laurenceb> lol someone just threw a knife
2020-03-26T18:54:04 < Laurenceb> ywlts quarantine remote stabbings
2020-03-26T18:54:35 < doomba> Laurenceb: go ask ##javascript what they're gonna do with their coronavirus stimulus checks... oh wait. they all make $75K/year or more doing fuckall.
2020-03-26T18:54:45 < jpa-> balconies in finland: someone has written "Everything will be fine!" on their, someone else has written "Doubt it." on another
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2020-03-26T19:08:27 < specing> jpa-: write "its too warm for winter" on yours
2020-03-26T19:12:57 < Steffanx> perkele santana would work too
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2020-03-26T19:27:47 < jpa-> "santana" :)
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2020-03-26T19:40:39 < jadew> (audio) https://imgur.com/61Z6Cqf
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2020-03-26T20:17:34 < Steffanx> or was it supposed to be "satana" jpa-
2020-03-26T20:17:46 < Steffanx> the man in some video made it sound like any of that
2020-03-26T20:17:58 < Steffanx> to scare away a bear
2020-03-26T20:18:10 < jpa-> "saatana"
2020-03-26T20:19:39 < Laurenceb> keek my neighbours are still trying to kill each other
2020-03-26T20:20:44 < boddax_> he sounds like santana
2020-03-26T20:22:14 < Steffanx> oh, ofcourse jpa-. I needed more a's. duh
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2020-03-26T20:30:28 < jpa-> meh, someone please fourier-transform my brain
2020-03-26T20:30:40 < jpa-> i'm trying to do realtime estimation of motor harmonics
2020-03-26T20:31:35 < jpa-> and the imaginary / real components of the current feedback that has been clarke & park transformed into rotor coordinate system as a complex number
2020-03-26T20:32:28 < jpa-> if i have a positive frequency harmonic, it's simple; accumulate    current * expf(I * rotor_angle)   and i get a nice sinewave for both the real & imaginary part
2020-03-26T20:32:41 < jpa-> er, by expf(-I * rotor_angle) that is
2020-03-26T20:33:00 < jpa-> and if i have a negative frequency harmonic, multiply by expf(I * rotor_angle) and i again get the estimate nice and tidy
2020-03-26T20:33:46 < jpa-> *but* if i don't know whether i have positive or negative frequency, and try to have both of those estimates running, then the imaginary parts cancel out and i get estimate only for the real part of the current :|
2020-03-26T20:34:08 < jpa-> which makes sense but it still bends my brain
2020-03-26T20:34:35 < Simon--> trapezoidal drive ftw
2020-03-26T20:35:14 < jpa-> for some reason i've never actually found a rotor that has trapezoidal back-emf
2020-03-26T20:36:04 < Simon--> no http://0x.ca/sim/esc/motor_backemf/ :)
2020-03-26T20:37:27 < jpa-> yeah i've seen scope shots, but mine are always pretty sinusoidal
2020-03-26T20:37:38 < jpa-> or if not, then weirdly harmonically distorted
2020-03-26T20:38:30 < Simon--> I found it pretty easy to invent expressions that would plot to the same as the distorted back-emf
2020-03-26T20:38:35 < jpa-> but now i have a motor that appears to be prone to harmonic disturbances at +3x rotary speed and at -2x rotary speed.. which is weird, but i don't feel like just hardcoding +3 and -2
2020-03-26T20:38:39 < Simon--> not sure where I saved any of those, but..
2020-03-26T20:46:12 < Cracki> I have one question about clarke and park. things that are named suggest some complexity because otherwise people would call them by their substance. is it basically transforming from a fixed frame of reference to a rotating one, thus transforming a rotating quantity into a "static" one, such as a force vector that leads ahead of the rotor? I suspect the thing is conceptually simple but hidden behind the name and coded in math
2020-03-26T20:48:53 < srk> pretty much. my intuition is that it's two vectors (i/q), one ahead and one out of rotor
2020-03-26T20:50:30 < Cracki> thx. I'm constantly amazed that people need to shroud ideas in coded clutter that can be grasped by a grade schooler
2020-03-26T20:51:11 < Cracki> the transformation is a technical detail that can be grasped separately. the effect is important.
2020-03-26T20:51:36 < srk> d / q not i / q
2020-03-26T20:54:07 < Cracki> eh, base vectors aligned sensibly :)
2020-03-26T20:54:30 < Cracki> i/q sounds more familiar in radio applications
2020-03-26T20:55:54 < srk> this
2020-03-26T20:56:11 < mawk> maths is full of things like this
2020-03-26T20:56:20 < mawk> behold the FUNDAMENTAL THEOREM OF ARITHMETIC
2020-03-26T20:56:38 < mawk> but I'm sure I can find worst examples
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2020-03-26T20:58:34 < BrainDamage> Cracki: remember also that you have two angles, one ideal that you want, and the prone produced by the magnetic field
2020-03-26T20:58:50 < BrainDamage> -pr
2020-03-26T20:59:33 < Cracki> that's already beyond me because it involves actual physics. I understand that the magnetic field doesn't change instantaneously in response to current
2020-03-26T21:00:07 < Cracki> just trying to open up some of those Black Boxes that have random people's names on them
2020-03-26T21:00:52 < BrainDamage> the magnetic field is istantaneous to current, but the current isn't instantaneous to voltage
2020-03-26T21:01:03 < BrainDamage> and your control is in voltage
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2020-03-26T21:02:11 < BrainDamage> so if you measure the current you know exactly where the magnetic field is and where the torque is applied
2020-03-26T21:02:26 < Cracki> ah
2020-03-26T21:03:09 < Cracki> what is to be understood by "prone" angle?
2020-03-26T21:03:13 < mawk> I think my favorite is the "Riesz-Fréchet representation theorem"
2020-03-26T21:03:16 < BrainDamage> that was a typo
2020-03-26T21:03:23 < BrainDamage> "one"
2020-03-26T21:03:25 < Cracki> ah
2020-03-26T21:03:43 < BrainDamage> so measure the current -> know where the field is
2020-03-26T21:03:56 < BrainDamage> from where it is, and where you want it to be, you have an error signal
2020-03-26T21:04:17 < BrainDamage> and on top of that error signal, you have to account that the coils respond slowly to your input
2020-03-26T21:04:24 < Cracki> ok so I have the rotor, the magnetic field, and where I want to drag the magnetic field using voltage
2020-03-26T21:04:36 < BrainDamage> yes
2020-03-26T21:04:38 < jpa-> Cracki: yeah, clarke & park is very simple when thought about in terms of complex numbers - but the original formulation as matrices is not so obvious
2020-03-26T21:07:08 < Cracki> both complex numbers  and rotation matrices do the same thing, they're different encodings of the idea. my math professors often didn't distinguish between the means and the end
2020-03-26T21:07:27 < jpa-> similarly for fourier transform, it appears pretty trivial as complex numbers and actually the fundamental idea in both is the same - transform a rotating/oscillating quantity into DC quantity so that it is easier to estimate
2020-03-26T21:07:28 < Cracki> it's like teaching programming by reciting source line by line and expecting students to nod
2020-03-26T21:08:08 < jpa-> yeah, but the complex number * and expf() and similar hide a lot of non-obvious stuff
2020-03-26T21:08:40 < Cracki> I tend to explain fourier transform as "check how well this thing correlates with a given frequency" because correlation is multiply and sum/integrate
2020-03-26T21:08:47 < jpa-> it's pretty easy to write clarke transform as   current * expf(I * M_TAU/3)   and be done with it
2020-03-26T21:08:51 < Cracki> (more or less)
2020-03-26T21:09:02 < Cracki> heh
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2020-03-26T21:09:31 < jpa-> yeah, but mere correlation doesn't imply a reversible transform, which is the important part
2020-03-26T21:10:00 < jpa-> similarly clarke transform would be quite useless if it wasn't bidirectional
2020-03-26T21:10:30 < BrainDamage> the best explanation I can make of the fourier transform: apply euler's formula to the complex exponential, this turns into cos(x) + isin(x)
2020-03-26T21:10:47 < BrainDamage> let's call this your 'test function', and x is like a knob you can sweet
2020-03-26T21:10:50 < BrainDamage> sweep
2020-03-26T21:11:09 < Cracki> not nitpicking but... `current * expf(I * M_TAU/3)`, is I something other than current?
2020-03-26T21:11:11 < BrainDamage> the integral sweeps the knob and samples your input function on the test function for every point
2020-03-26T21:11:33 < jpa-> BrainDamage: i would explain it like this: complex multiplication by expf(-I * angle) rotates the vector; in fourier transform you rotate every vector back to zero if the frequency matches
2020-03-26T21:11:40 < jpa-> Cracki: imaginary unit
2020-03-26T21:11:44 < Cracki> ah!
2020-03-26T21:11:54 < BrainDamage> and produces a plot of how much the original function projects to the base ( ie the frequency )
2020-03-26T21:12:03 < Cracki> M_TAU is a constant too, that'd make the expf() a constant...
2020-03-26T21:12:16 < jpa-> and well, usually you'd have  current_phase1 * expf(0) + current_phase2 * expf(I * M_TAU/3) + current_phase3 * expf(I * 2 * M_TAU/3)
2020-03-26T21:12:25 < jpa-> Cracki: yeah, it does
2020-03-26T21:12:34 < jpa-> it is just a vector at that angle
2020-03-26T21:12:39 < Cracki> ah ok I see, you're just rotating them to 0/120/240 degrees
2020-03-26T21:12:47 < jpa-> exactly
2020-03-26T21:12:59 < jpa-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha%E2%80%93beta_transformation  gives the same coefficients as in these matrices
2020-03-26T21:12:59 < Cracki> or rather rotating _back_ from those positions into positive real axis?
2020-03-26T21:13:16 < jpa-> this is the forward transform, so rotating *to* those positions
2020-03-26T21:13:28 < Cracki> k, phase currents are then reals, ic
2020-03-26T21:14:09 < Cracki> eh, I'm glad I got to look into the "clarke" box for tonight
2020-03-26T21:14:12 < boddax> hard disk things?
2020-03-26T21:14:24 < jpa-> i write the reverse transform as    voltage_phase2 = dot_product(voltage_vector, expf(I * M_TAU/3)   etc, but i'm not sure if there is a nicer formulation as dot_product() is not really a standard complex number operation
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2020-03-26T21:19:18 < Mangy_Dog> ITS FINISHED! https://www.therpf.com/forums/threads/my-bandai-millennium-falcon-pg-build.307091/post-5048079  ill do proper photos tomorrow :)
2020-03-26T21:20:11 < mawk> corona killed my taste buds Steffanx 
2020-03-26T21:20:18 < mawk> or maybe it's something else
2020-03-26T21:20:28 < mawk> but now my ecig is disgusting
2020-03-26T21:20:28 < srk> Mangy_Dog: ++ mad
2020-03-26T21:20:35 < Steffanx> haha perfect mawk
2020-03-26T21:20:36 < Cracki> very detailed o.o
2020-03-26T21:20:48 < BrainDamage> mawk: there's some reports of corona messing with taste and smell
2020-03-26T21:20:51 < mawk> also I smell stables everywhere I go
2020-03-26T21:20:56 < mawk> I thought it was my neighbors pipes or something
2020-03-26T21:21:05 < mawk> but I smell it in the whole city and my gf doesn't
2020-03-26T21:21:07 < Cracki> stables? where you park horses?
2020-03-26T21:21:09 < BrainDamage> that's a damn impressive build quality
2020-03-26T21:21:11 < mawk> yes Cracki 
2020-03-26T21:21:57 < Cracki> maybe the farmers are throwing shit on their fields... I think they start with that after the ground has thawed
2020-03-26T21:22:26 < Cracki> wouldn't smell of straw or hay I think
2020-03-26T21:22:58 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/PfcjHDD.jpg
2020-03-26T21:23:03 < BrainDamage> maybe you're smelling phosgene
2020-03-26T21:23:23 < mawk> russian chemical attack ?
2020-03-26T21:23:34 < Steffanx> Youire being poisened.
2020-03-26T21:23:46 < Steffanx> By the french secret service
2020-03-26T21:23:46 < mawk> :(
2020-03-26T21:23:48 < mawk> lol
2020-03-26T21:23:54 < mawk> they feel endangered by me
2020-03-26T21:24:01 < mawk> I know too much about Macron
2020-03-26T21:24:05 < mawk> and his secret sex dungeon
2020-03-26T21:24:07 < Cracki> looks chocolatey
2020-03-26T21:25:07 < bitmask> crap, I think my electroforming tank is leaking
2020-03-26T21:25:16 < Steffanx> dont do that bitmask
2020-03-26T21:25:40 < bitmask> I guess theres a reason buckets have that nub on the bottom center
2020-03-26T21:25:54 < mawk> why ?
2020-03-26T21:26:05 < BrainDamage> for strength
2020-03-26T21:26:23 < BrainDamage> it's also the place where the mold has the injection point
2020-03-26T21:26:48 < mawk> yes I was more expecting that second reason
2020-03-26T21:26:51 < bitmask> its probably the injection point, I cut it off with a razor blade so my magnetic stirbar didnt keep hitting it.  there was a tiny hole left, void in the plastic.  didnt think it went all the way through but i guess it did a little
2020-03-26T21:27:19 < Cracki> imperfect injection, it's like the tip of a glue tube?
2020-03-26T21:27:37 < Cracki> melt it with the soldering iron?
2020-03-26T21:27:51 < bitmask> yea that might be fine, or put on a tiny bit of epoxy
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2020-03-26T22:50:11 < kakigate1984> Steffanx: your countrys numbers are impressive
2020-03-26T22:53:03 < englishman> USA now has the gold medal for most coronavirus
2020-03-26T22:53:30 < kakigate1984> but look end results in netherlands
2020-03-26T22:54:02 < kakigate1984> it's fucked m8.. big time
2020-03-26T22:56:18 < kakigate1984> 99% end result is death
2020-03-26T22:57:14 < englishman> coronavirus was invented by big vape to kill all the smokers hastening the transition to a normalized 6 juul a day habit
2020-03-26T22:58:44 < doomba> yep
2020-03-26T22:59:02 < doomba> in all my years of smoking, i never saw a film on my windshield
2020-03-26T22:59:14 < doomba> i donno how vapers can see anything
2020-03-26T22:59:26 < doomba> their lungs must be coated in PG/VG
2020-03-26T22:59:40 < kakigate1984> legalize snus
2020-03-26T23:00:56 < Ultrasauce> bitmask: what plating formulation are you using
2020-03-26T23:02:44 < qyx> plating formulation? iqos
2020-03-26T23:03:02 < qyx> oh you are no more talking about lung coating
2020-03-26T23:03:43 < Steffanx> what kakigate1984?
2020-03-26T23:03:50 < Steffanx> im not following.
2020-03-26T23:04:20 < Ultrasauce> copper plated alveoli would not be very useful
2020-03-26T23:05:13 < kakigate1984> nl has pretty macabre end result table in curing covid19 compared to other countries Steffanx
2020-03-26T23:05:43 < doomba> zinc coated alveoli would be, however
2020-03-26T23:06:03 < doomba> add a little fish tank cleaner and you're good to go!
2020-03-26T23:06:16 < Steffanx> Not really kakigate1984
2020-03-26T23:06:57 < Steffanx> We're no longer testing massively.
2020-03-26T23:07:45 < doomba> (Assoc. Press) Zoomer Dies After Vaping Chloroquine Phosphate
2020-03-26T23:09:22 < Steffanx> And then we are a pretty small country with 17.2M people in it. so....
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2020-03-26T23:09:35 < Steffanx> and old people
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2020-03-26T23:40:25 < qyx> Steffanx: how much did you test?
2020-03-26T23:40:38 < qyx> a day
2020-03-26T23:41:05 < Steffanx> I dont know the numbers qyx
2020-03-26T23:41:27 < qyx> we have still only ~200 cases which is weird
2020-03-26T23:41:52 < qyx> even if they were testing symptomatic cases only, it would be great number
2020-03-26T23:42:11 < qyx> 2 critical, 2 discharged
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2020-03-26T23:46:10 < rajkosto> R2COM, america number one !!! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565217199162392597/692851707360706581/unknown.png
2020-03-26T23:46:41 < Steffanx> he's sick in bed.
2020-03-26T23:47:29 < ds2> qyx: where are you?
2020-03-26T23:48:38 < qyx> ds2: .sk
2020-03-26T23:50:26 < aandrew> hello chatters
2020-03-26T23:50:28 < aandrew> how's corona
2020-03-26T23:51:34 < Steffanx> Its COVID-0x13
2020-03-26T23:55:54 < doomba> https://i.imgur.com/67WD0Z7.jpg
2020-03-26T23:56:19 < qyx> aisler confirmed they are manufacturing nominally
2020-03-26T23:56:44 < qyx> too many orders for 4L, those are delayed
2020-03-26T23:56:45 < doomba> jlcpcb was back to normal like a month ago
2020-03-26T23:57:05 < qyx> yeah they made my boards in 1.5 day
2020-03-26T23:57:15 < qyx> then they waited 5 days for shipment
2020-03-26T23:57:28 < doomba> jlc & lcsc workers were already on total lockdown so it was nearly impossible for them to be affected too much - i saw the YT videos of their new facility.
2020-03-26T23:57:37 < doomba> it's like a prison complex in the middle of freaking nowhere
2020-03-26T23:57:44 < qyx> links
2020-03-26T23:57:46 < doomba> the slaves get shipped in and work there for their entire sentence
2020-03-26T23:59:35 < doomba> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFD1mU4bPaU&t=45s
--- Day changed Fri Mar 27 2020
2020-03-27T00:00:07 < doomba> it's a CG'd rendition of the new facility
2020-03-27T00:00:23 < doomba> you can see the inmate housing units next to the main factory building
2020-03-27T00:00:52 < doomba> in silicon valley, they call em "campuses"
2020-03-27T00:01:31 < qyx> such flowers
2020-03-27T00:08:49 < Laurenceb> sheet 
2020-03-27T00:08:57 < Laurenceb> 2655 dead so far today
2020-03-27T00:09:05 < Laurenceb> >when ur the next digit
2020-03-27T00:09:15 < qyx> blogging microsd/pcie obsession #1: https://i.imgur.com/HjR8iaB.png
2020-03-27T00:09:48 < BrainDamage> are you making the pcie version of the raid0 sdcard array?
2020-03-27T00:09:54 < qyx> :>
2020-03-27T00:11:30 < Laurenceb> qyx: how are the cards interfaced?
2020-03-27T00:11:39 < qyx> plain old SPI
2020-03-27T00:12:18 < qyx> BrainDamage: no, long term datalogging, I need to pack several TBs in the thing
2020-03-27T00:12:24 < Laurenceb> via a microcontroller?
2020-03-27T00:12:31 < qyx> yeah
2020-03-27T00:12:35 < Laurenceb> sounds a bit slow but if it does the jerb...
2020-03-27T00:12:44 < Laurenceb> sounds babbyshake tier lol
2020-03-27T00:12:51 < BrainDamage> I hope at least you won't put them in raid0
2020-03-27T00:13:01 < BrainDamage> and rely on the filesystem
2020-03-27T00:13:03 < qyx> the data are going through CAN during normal operation
2020-03-27T00:13:05 < Laurenceb>  >10GB per journey
2020-03-27T00:13:23 < qyx> so the speed is not that critical
2020-03-27T00:13:32 < Laurenceb> >4 hours on xeon server to load into database
2020-03-27T00:13:39 < Laurenceb> the state of babbyshake
2020-03-27T00:14:35 < BrainDamage> https://nitter.net/schneiderleonid/status/1242889208651448322
2020-03-27T00:14:49 < Laurenceb> I read the tt as gg
2020-03-27T00:14:53 < Laurenceb> too much internets
2020-03-27T00:15:36 < qyx> BrainDamage: no, I am planning to do some RAID5-like data replication while having only 2 cards powered on at a time
2020-03-27T00:16:20 < englishman> i never met a nice didier
2020-03-27T00:16:28 < BrainDamage> iirc striping requires at least 3 devices
2020-03-27T00:17:24 < qyx> hm, true
2020-03-27T00:17:35 < BrainDamage> do you have a filesystem on the cards or is it raw data?
2020-03-27T00:17:52 < qyx> nothing atm
2020-03-27T00:18:18 < BrainDamage> add a checksum for each block of data on the individual card, then stripe together multiple devices
2020-03-27T00:18:25 < qyx> I am not decided on that part yet
2020-03-27T00:18:27 < BrainDamage> even crc32 will suffice
2020-03-27T00:18:45 < BrainDamage> then you can not only detect bitflips, but even correct them on the fly individually
2020-03-27T00:19:18 < qyx> I want to make sure data is readable if a single card fails or a single block in a strip fails
2020-03-27T00:19:51 < BrainDamage> yeah, then parity bit striping and checksum on the blocks
2020-03-27T00:20:14 < qyx> and also make sure I don't need to wake all the cards at the same time
2020-03-27T00:20:17 < BrainDamage> parity lets you extract the correct data, and the checksum lets you flag the bad card
2020-03-27T00:20:24 < qyx> this would make a 8*many mA peaks
2020-03-27T00:20:43 < BrainDamage> so not only you can get the correct data, you can also know what card to replace
2020-03-27T00:20:55 < BrainDamage> or what block to avoid
2020-03-27T00:21:12 < qyx> yeah
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2020-03-27T00:30:55 < karlp> awesome.  dug up three usb webcams. none of them work 
2020-03-27T00:42:41 < qyx> are their licenses void?
2020-03-27T00:43:01 < karlp> no idea.
2020-03-27T00:43:14 < Cracki> so CQ is useless and the chinese have the numbers to prove it? :D
2020-03-27T00:43:20 < karlp> got as far as stracing and decided that this was beyond my care level.
2020-03-27T00:44:05 < qyx> Cracki: .cz reports remdesivir works (in one critical case they are testing)
2020-03-27T00:44:10 < qyx> or how is it spelled properly
2020-03-27T00:44:20 < Cracki> remsomething
2020-03-27T00:44:40 < Cracki> did you just really say N=1
2020-03-27T00:44:50 < Cracki> how dare you!!
2020-03-27T00:45:26 < qyx> related, greta git covid, she says
2020-03-27T00:45:29 < qyx> *got
2020-03-27T00:46:39 < Cracki> some people gloated, others denounced and doxxed the gloaters to rabid internet mobs
2020-03-27T00:46:51 < Cracki> she's too young, she'll survive
2020-03-27T00:47:03 < qyx> she did apparently
2020-03-27T00:49:16 < Cracki> this time! muahaha
2020-03-27T00:50:32 < BrainDamage> remdesivir is also under test here
2020-03-27T00:50:40 < BrainDamage> we've got a trial of 50 patients or so
2020-03-27T00:53:12 < Cracki> this stuff ought to have been tested against previous coronavirii... I wonder why there was so little interest
2020-03-27T00:54:22 < BrainDamage> because research is crazy expensive
2020-03-27T00:54:30 < BrainDamage> or better, testing is
2020-03-27T00:55:21 < BrainDamage> and people love to cut funds to research
2020-03-27T01:08:57 < Cracki> oh hm you need infected people
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2020-03-27T01:37:42 < jly> hello electronics
2020-03-27T01:42:40 < qyx> is there any stm32 with integrated USB HS PHY?
2020-03-27T01:42:54 < qyx> or I need to use ULPI USB transceiver
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2020-03-27T01:54:56 < qyx> nope. https://i.imgur.com/iJu1R67.png
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2020-03-27T02:07:32 < bitmask> see ben's new video? great stuff
2020-03-27T02:17:14 < doomba> ben the sciency dude i forgot lastname
2020-03-27T02:25:58 < bitmask> applied science, dunno his last name
2020-03-27T02:29:42 < doomba> lol slide 1040
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2020-03-27T03:33:41 < Thorn> https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/healthmedicine/china-reports-deeply-disturbing-coronavirus-development-c-765460
2020-03-27T03:35:03 < Cracki> finally zombies?
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2020-03-27T03:35:40 < Cracki> I don't trust their claims until I see bodies
2020-03-27T03:36:00  * con3 wakes up
2020-03-27T03:36:14 < Cracki> in epidemiology you learn that "tests positive" is different from "is positive"
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2020-03-27T03:45:36 < Cracki> wew germany claims testing 127k and 348k tests per week (from 114 and 176 labs), with about 6% testing positive
2020-03-27T03:46:14 < ds2> has anyone started doing unofficial tests?
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2020-03-27T03:47:08 < Cracki> not officially
2020-03-27T03:48:55 < Cracki> this is the data people need, not random media stories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Italy#By_gender_and_age
2020-03-27T03:52:39 < ds2> no, I mean like hacker spaces running PCRs
2020-03-27T03:52:59 < ds2> assuming they can source the right taq solutions, the tests are pretty trivial
2020-03-27T03:53:22 < ds2> it is just a fancy oven/chiller... just a touch more complex then a reflow oven ;)
2020-03-27T03:53:39 < Thorn> I've seen a tweet today about a discardable qPCR chip for CoV testing
2020-03-27T03:53:59 < Thorn> literally a silicon chip
2020-03-27T03:54:20 < ds2> how big?
2020-03-27T03:54:29 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/gudeResearch/status/1242748260223156225
2020-03-27T03:55:26 < ds2> nice
2020-03-27T03:56:10 < Thorn> adafruit driver when
2020-03-27T03:56:20 < Thorn> (and breakout of course)
2020-03-27T04:06:32 < jly> i miss the grey cat
2020-03-27T04:06:57 < jadew> ok, so.. the trend seems to stick pretty well
2020-03-27T04:07:27 < jadew> for today, it was predicting 2814, there are currently 2791
2020-03-27T04:08:53 < jadew> oh and the error I think is less than 4%
2020-03-27T04:10:08 < Cracki> how well does a linear fit do
2020-03-27T04:10:14 < Cracki> linear on the last few days
2020-03-27T04:10:22 < jadew> it doesn't do
2020-03-27T04:10:25 < jadew> it's exponential
2020-03-27T04:10:44 < jadew> well, I guess it depends on how many days you take into account
2020-03-27T04:10:46 < Cracki> nonsense. take n-1 and n-2, run a line through, predict n
2020-03-27T04:10:58 < jadew> so for one day?
2020-03-27T04:11:06 < Cracki> sure why not :P
2020-03-27T04:11:10 < jadew> :)
2020-03-27T04:11:22 < Cracki> maybe the chinese were onto something with their quadratic number generator
2020-03-27T04:11:43 < jadew> I didn't try it, I'll plot a line through it and see what happens
2020-03-27T04:12:25 < Cracki> maybe try fitting things to measured surface topology of earth
2020-03-27T04:12:42 < Cracki> I wonder how far away from a squashed sphere it is
2020-03-27T04:13:03 < Cracki> you could flatten mountains and only have 0.2% error
2020-03-27T04:14:59 < Cracki> any idea where the second half of the logistic curve will sit?
2020-03-27T04:15:04 < jly> you coffee fiend.....
2020-03-27T04:15:06 < jly> https://youtu.be/uGtWxq7aH9Q?t=50
2020-03-27T04:16:49 < Cracki> almost a remix
2020-03-27T04:17:06 < jadew> Cracki, no, so far it doesn't have enough of a downwards trend
2020-03-27T04:18:17 < Cracki> the chinese have leveled off. does their data let you say where the midpoint is, before it's there?
2020-03-27T04:18:54 < Cracki> saturation should be noticeable even before it balances the exponential part (midpoint)
2020-03-27T04:19:07 < jadew> the chinese data is all fake
2020-03-27T04:19:17 < jadew> you can't draw any conclusion based on it
2020-03-27T04:19:26 < jadew> just look how different their curve is compared to the rest of the world
2020-03-27T04:19:32 < jadew> they fed us garbage
2020-03-27T04:19:46 < Cracki> german data is also fake. we likely already have mass graves that nobody will find for decades
2020-03-27T04:20:09 < Cracki> eventually some other country has to invade us and discover them
2020-03-27T04:20:17 < jadew> heh
2020-03-27T04:21:08 < Cracki> people will ask "did they really use fish bowl cleaner for anything other than cleaning fish bowls?"
2020-03-27T04:22:26 < Cracki> foreign press will shoot photos of starving people in their pyjamas, all cooped up in their houses
2020-03-27T04:23:50 < Cracki> some may ask "sure the economy is in the shitter but food shortages? that's what people died from? no, it must be intentional!"
2020-03-27T04:30:35 < jadew> Cracki, http://188.25.126.97/stuff/ncov/trend-2020-03-31.png
2020-03-27T04:30:43 < jadew> the linear trend is based on the last 3 days
2020-03-27T04:34:24 < jadew> sorry, the error seems to be less than 1% not 4%
2020-03-27T04:35:37 < jadew> this is what the trend spits out with the data available at the beginning of the day on the 26th March: http://188.25.126.97/stuff/ncov/trend.txt
2020-03-27T04:36:01 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/MalePsychology/status/1243128429144428545
2020-03-27T04:37:03 < jadew> definite proof that men and women are different
2020-03-27T04:37:07 < Thorn> original tweet has some amusing comments, too https://twitter.com/DrVeronicaMagar/status/1242811502807199746
2020-03-27T04:37:29 < Thorn> especially toxic masculinity in rats
2020-03-27T04:47:59 < jadew> this pandemic hasn't happened at a particularly good time for me
2020-03-27T04:48:20 < jadew> 10 or 15 years ago would have been much better
2020-03-27T04:49:25 < jadew> https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/graph/png/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Italy/0/e121001bec6a9cf2a6c42808969fb37e3e25e8e5.png
2020-03-27T04:50:19 < jadew> it's such an amazing filter... I get it why people think it might have been done on purpose
2020-03-27T04:55:08 < aandrew> Why would 10y ago have been better?
2020-03-27T05:09:46 < doomba> at the very least, many agendas are able to move forward thanks to it. i go as far as thinking it may have been an accidental leak out of wuhan batcave.
2020-03-27T05:10:16 < jadew> I would have been 25 :p
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2020-03-27T07:33:49 < dongs> https://twitter.com/MrDre_/status/1238612571193827335 lol
2020-03-27T07:37:17 < jly> nigger logic
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2020-03-27T09:21:04 < Steffanx> Damn it jadew . How can your autism deal with those segmented lines? I can even see where the segments start and end
2020-03-27T09:21:53 < jadew> you mean the divisions?
2020-03-27T09:22:14 < jadew> you follow it with the mouse
2020-03-27T09:24:13 < srk> https://blog.zapb.de/stm32f1-exceptional-failure/
2020-03-27T09:26:53 < Steffanx> No, I mean there is a tiny space between the segments jadew
2020-03-27T09:27:35 < jadew> oh, it doesn't show up on my pc
2020-03-27T09:27:41 < jadew> care to make a screenshot?
2020-03-27T09:28:01 < jadew> ah, you're right
2020-03-27T09:28:01 < Steffanx> Zoom in..
2020-03-27T09:28:08 < jadew> it shows up on the thick line
2020-03-27T09:28:10 < jadew> I didn't notice it
2020-03-27T09:28:21 < jadew> remember, I'm the one who sits very far from the monitor :P
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2020-03-27T09:42:18 < jadew> I'm just following government recommendations
2020-03-27T09:44:04 < Steffanx> 1.5 meter?
2020-03-27T09:44:58 < jadew> I don't remember, what the measurement was, I'll have to get the tape measure out again
2020-03-27T09:45:57 < jadew> 1 to 1.3 m
2020-03-27T09:46:18 < jadew> but I can get closer sometime (maybe down to 60 - 70 cm)
2020-03-27T09:46:41  * jpa- is ready and waiting
2020-03-27T09:46:52 < jadew> haha
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2020-03-27T10:06:04 < jadew> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-52053799
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2020-03-27T10:38:28 < jly> hello jadew 
2020-03-27T10:38:32 < jly> thankyou for coming
2020-03-27T10:57:50 < Steffanx> Hello Welcome
2020-03-27T10:59:25 < jly> hi sir
2020-03-27T10:59:31 < jly> have you innovated a new PuLL filter 
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2020-03-27T11:02:56 < Steffanx> No I heard CRT got it patented.
2020-03-27T11:05:11 < jly> ah CRT?
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2020-03-27T11:07:07 < jly> I heard he wasn't liked due to a novel penis pump invention 
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2020-03-27T11:07:59 < jly> of chinese origin
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2020-03-27T11:08:26 < Steffanx> hm
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2020-03-27T11:10:34 < jly> yes
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2020-03-27T12:00:48 < Steffanx> ty
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2020-03-27T13:25:56 < PaulFertser> Boris tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-prime-minister-boris-johnson-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-covid-19-2020-3
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2020-03-27T13:30:57 < Steffanx> Yeah i just read about it. lol
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2020-03-27T13:33:44 < Steffanx> Good bye blaxter.
2020-03-27T13:36:04 < PaulFertser> He said he'd be continuing brexiting from his home office, so nothing really changes.
2020-03-27T13:39:56 < specing> BoJo got the virus? WOw
2020-03-27T13:41:57 < BrainDamage> I guess his border policies aren't very effective
2020-03-27T13:42:46 < mawk> you don't like breaksit PaulFertser ?
2020-03-27T13:43:33 < PaulFertser> mawk: I do not like populism
2020-03-27T13:43:38 < Steffanx> Yes you do.
2020-03-27T13:44:32 < PaulFertser> mawk: how do you feel today?
2020-03-27T13:44:47 < Steffanx> I dont like the term "populism"  due to its negative connotation
2020-03-27T13:45:26 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: well, ok, put it another way, I've seen too much vagueness from Boris regarding this topic.
2020-03-27T13:45:45 < Steffanx> i had to use google translate for that word. i would never have come up with "connotation"  myself
2020-03-27T13:46:22 < mawk> still a bit hot
2020-03-27T13:46:24 < mawk> nothing changes
2020-03-27T13:46:35 < Steffanx> hows the cough?
2020-03-27T13:46:39 < mawk> nothing respiratory at all
2020-03-27T13:46:43 < mawk> I never had much cough to begin with
2020-03-27T13:46:50 < Steffanx> i see
2020-03-27T13:46:55 < mawk> I'm probably just regular sick
2020-03-27T13:47:05 < Steffanx> for > week?
2020-03-27T13:47:09 < jadew> populism is when a nation cares more about itself than for other people they owe nothing to?
2020-03-27T13:47:09 < mawk> yes
2020-03-27T13:47:13 < mawk> long regular sick
2020-03-27T13:47:14 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: instead of saying something specific like "this and that will allow our GDP to become N by 2022", or "we are going to spend X extra money to enforce the Ireland - NI new customs policies but we're gaining Y because <reasons>". And instead all I seem to hear from him is "make the kingdom great again".
2020-03-27T13:47:15 < mawk> lol
2020-03-27T13:47:45 < mawk> I suppose they say that too somewhere PaulFertser 
2020-03-27T13:47:49 < mawk> but it's hidden
2020-03-27T13:48:07 < mawk> newspapers have agendas, at least for france I guess, probably UK too
2020-03-27T13:48:38 < mawk> 7 billionnaires control the entirety of the french printed press
2020-03-27T13:48:40 < PaulFertser> mawk: have you seen any "house of commons" videos from the UK? It's the most expensive and silly way to perform stand-up comedy...
2020-03-27T13:48:41 < mawk> and television
2020-03-27T13:48:48 < mawk> lol
2020-03-27T13:49:10 < Thorn> there is a case in Putin's administration, everyone is being tested
2020-03-27T13:49:17 < Thorn> Till Lindemann has corona
2020-03-27T13:49:33 < mawk> https://www.bastamag.net/IMG/jpg/medias5.jpg
2020-03-27T13:49:44 < jadew> I heard that 50% of the UK already has it
2020-03-27T13:49:56 < Steffanx> i heard it was 51.123%
2020-03-27T13:50:26 < Steffanx> Time for lunch.
2020-03-27T13:50:28 < mawk> you're lying
2020-03-27T13:50:58 < jadew> https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/oxford-study-coronavirus-may-have-infected-half-of-u-k.html
2020-03-27T13:51:20 < PaulFertser> If it was really about 50 % then that would reflect accordingly in the pneumonia cases. Also, it's easy to prove, just pick 10 random people and test 'em.
2020-03-27T13:51:22 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: populism is consider a harsh criticism for a politician
2020-03-27T13:51:40 < mawk> in south korea they have numbers like that as well
2020-03-27T13:51:43 < mawk> in some cluster cities
2020-03-27T13:51:55 < mawk> like they tested a random sample of sane-looking people and a large number of them were infected
2020-03-27T13:52:00 < BrainDamage> we have some cluster cities with 50% infected too
2020-03-27T13:52:08 < jadew> PaulFertser, yeah, we're going to do that here
2020-03-27T13:52:11 < BrainDamage> where we tested random samples
2020-03-27T13:52:18 < jadew> we're going to do 4000 random tests in my city
2020-03-27T13:52:33 < jadew> to get a sense of the % of the infected population
2020-03-27T13:52:37 < mawk> do you like Roche now Steffanx ?
2020-03-27T13:52:40 < PaulFertser> BTW, it's not really visible from russia but is the EU really lacking when it comes to helping the member states? Were people from overloaded Italy somehow treated in other countries' hospitals? 
2020-03-27T13:52:49 < mawk> yes PaulFertser 
2020-03-27T13:53:03 < mawk> nobody's helping greece dealing with Erdoğan's border terrorism
2020-03-27T13:53:11 < BrainDamage> they shut down the borders
2020-03-27T13:53:16 < mawk> also again when greece hit recession, all the EU did was hold their head under water
2020-03-27T13:53:22 < BrainDamage> and even economical aids came really late
2020-03-27T13:54:12 < mawk> or same with Hungary and my beloved Orbán, the EU parliament is trying hard to influence their politics
2020-03-27T13:54:47 < jadew> this was all started by France and one other country (don't remember)
2020-03-27T13:55:04 < jadew> they were the first to stop the export of medical goods to other EU countries
2020-03-27T13:55:06 < PaulFertser> mawk: I mean I have no idea if brexit is good for the UK or not. But I'd like to see clear arguments from the parties envolved, economics models and all that. And instead it all sounds like a TV talk show where every fucker is talking nonsense about some topic only slightly related to what the others are discussing.
2020-03-27T13:55:26 < mawk> yeah jadew 
2020-03-27T13:55:47 < srk> beloved Orban? wtf? :)
2020-03-27T13:55:47 < mawk> well it makes sense if france had very few masks and caregivers dying all around
2020-03-27T13:55:52 < mawk> just joking srk lol
2020-03-27T13:55:57 < srk> wasnt sure
2020-03-27T13:56:17 < jadew> mawk, the problem was that they had the factories, while other countries didn't
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2020-03-27T13:56:23 < Laurenceb> keek Boris btfo'd
2020-03-27T13:56:40 < mawk> I guess when france has at least enough masks for like 50% of doctors they will lift the ban
2020-03-27T13:56:46 < mawk> but for now the situation is catastrophic
2020-03-27T13:57:01 < jadew> anyway, from what I'm hearing for the future we will start stockpiling (the EU)
2020-03-27T13:57:07 < mawk> yeah
2020-03-27T13:57:13 < BrainDamage> stockpiling what?
2020-03-27T13:57:13 < jadew> and Romania was the first country approved to start doing that
2020-03-27T13:57:15 < srk> jadew: hope this will make ppl reconsider moving production to china :)
2020-03-27T13:57:19 < mawk> we were stockpiling before, we had 1.3 billion masks
2020-03-27T13:57:22 < jadew> BrainDamage, masks, hospital equipment, etc
2020-03-27T13:57:31 < jadew> for cases such as this
2020-03-27T13:57:33 < mawk> in 2011 or so they removed that stock to gain 15 million euros in the budget, just like that
2020-03-27T13:57:45 < BrainDamage> well, more like you want it to be part of the social culture
2020-03-27T13:57:54 < mawk> now they want to send the guy that did this to the internation justice court
2020-03-27T13:57:55 < BrainDamage> stockpiling is an economical waste
2020-03-27T13:58:02 < jadew> BrainDamage, it will probably be part of that too
2020-03-27T13:58:13 < BrainDamage> while if the population actively use them as necessary, then you have a fluorishing market
2020-03-27T13:58:14 < mawk> masks aren't that expensive
2020-03-27T13:58:19 < jadew> BrainDamage, not necessarily
2020-03-27T13:58:24 < jadew> maybe when it's done by the state
2020-03-27T13:58:35 < jadew> but private citizens can stockpile and not waste too much of it
2020-03-27T13:58:36 < srk> mawk: they quickly get expensive when whole world needs em
2020-03-27T13:58:47 < mawk> yeah
2020-03-27T13:58:50 < mawk> so stockpiling is good
2020-03-27T13:58:50 < veverak>  but you can't stockpile everything
2020-03-27T13:58:55 < mawk> you can trade them when there is a new epidemic
2020-03-27T13:59:09 < BrainDamage> went to the pharmacy today: hand sanitizer sold at 18 euro/bottle
2020-03-27T13:59:13 < mawk> lol
2020-03-27T13:59:26 < mawk> in france a pharmacist lady was caught selling echographic gel as hand sanitizer
2020-03-27T13:59:37 < srk> was reading that rich in russia are stockpiling on ventilators 
2020-03-27T13:59:39 < mawk> and diverting mask supply meant for doctors to sell to her customers
2020-03-27T14:00:07 < srk> wow
2020-03-27T14:00:22 < mawk> http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/nice-la-pharmacienne-vendait-illegalement-des-masques-et-du-gel-artisanal-27-03-2020-8288886.php
2020-03-27T14:00:25 < jadew> BrainDamage, and yet, everyone was frowning upon price gougers
2020-03-27T14:00:52 < jadew> my point was all along that they're (perhaps unknowingly) doing a social service by profiteering from this
2020-03-27T14:01:22 < BrainDamage> I'm kind of debating whenever I should give a call to the financial dept of the police or not
2020-03-27T14:01:37 < BrainDamage> then they can decide to do nothing
2020-03-27T14:01:45 < veverak> srk: so they will stockpile each hospital equipment from now on? you never know what can hit you... ;)
2020-03-27T14:01:47 < jadew> expensive hand sanitizer means more people will have access to it
2020-03-27T14:01:56 < jadew> if it was cheap, people would buy it in bulk
2020-03-27T14:02:08 < BrainDamage> that's a fucked up reasoning
2020-03-27T14:02:20 < BrainDamage> you just don't sell it in bulk
2020-03-27T14:02:21 < jadew> but because it's more expensive, they will buy less, so there's going to be more to go around
2020-03-27T14:02:28 < veverak> I mean, the obvious answer is to be able to make these thinks at high ammount when they are needed, not to stockpile everything
2020-03-27T14:02:32 < veverak> we really need star trek replicators
2020-03-27T14:02:38 < jadew> BrainDamage, it's difficult to control that
2020-03-27T14:02:44 < jadew> the same person could come in twice
2020-03-27T14:02:58 < jadew> then his friend, then his brother, sister, mother, etc
2020-03-27T14:03:03 < BrainDamage> it's not the same person coming back twice that makes your stockpiles run dry
2020-03-27T14:03:13 < BrainDamage> that's only a factor of 2
2020-03-27T14:03:38 < jadew> BrainDamage, it's expense per household
2020-03-27T14:03:44 < jadew> and I think it really works
2020-03-27T14:03:47 < jadew> same with masks
2020-03-27T14:04:02 < jadew> if a mask is 10c, you're going to buy several boxes
2020-03-27T14:04:15 < jadew> if it's 20 eur, you're probably just going to get a couple
2020-03-27T14:04:34 < mawk> people don't have unlimited economic power
2020-03-27T14:04:38 < BrainDamage> and people who can't afford a mask will end up getting sick and spending 10 times that
2020-03-27T14:04:40 < mawk> if they can't buy it, they don't get it
2020-03-27T14:05:10 < jadew> BrainDamage, more would be able to get them than if they were super cheap
2020-03-27T14:05:24 < jadew> we just lived this
2020-03-27T14:05:29 < BrainDamage> ... no?
2020-03-27T14:05:29 < jadew> they were cheap => they were gone
2020-03-27T14:05:32 < srk> veverak: problem is that they also need medical personel who's able to use that 
2020-03-27T14:05:39 < BrainDamage> you're conflating two problems
2020-03-27T14:05:53 < BrainDamage> the stockpiles and production were never enough for the whole population
2020-03-27T14:05:59 < jadew> the real problem is that the market didn't adjust itself to the demand
2020-03-27T14:06:02 < BrainDamage> simply because the market was extremely limitedd
2020-03-27T14:06:11 < BrainDamage> the market doesn't magically spawn factories
2020-03-27T14:06:14 < jadew> if you have 1 million things and 1 billion people want them, you should increase the price a LOT
2020-03-27T14:06:35 < BrainDamage> yes, but here it's price gouging on an essential need
2020-03-27T14:06:46 < jadew> yeah, which is fine
2020-03-27T14:06:49 < veverak> srk: well, that's simple, they only need neuron-based smart-AI latest-devel agile node.js software for it
2020-03-27T14:06:58 < veverak> srk: won't need medical personel!
2020-03-27T14:07:02 < BrainDamage> no it's not, the states have imposed prices on basic needs
2020-03-27T14:07:13 < BrainDamage> you cannot suddendly sell a box of pasta for 20e
2020-03-27T14:07:16 < jadew> BrainDamage, when this thing broke out, hand sanitizer was still cheap, and so were masks
2020-03-27T14:07:20 < jadew> as a result, it all ran out
2020-03-27T14:07:28 < BrainDamage> ...
2020-03-27T14:07:36 < BrainDamage> you're repeating like a broken record
2020-03-27T14:07:45 < jadew> if the market adjusted itself fast enough (which is something price gougers were naturally doing), then more people would have had access to both
2020-03-27T14:07:46 < srk> well just repurpose some car factories xD
2020-03-27T14:07:54 < jadew> well, it's a simple argument
2020-03-27T14:08:04 < jadew> what's your counter argument that it is wrong?
2020-03-27T14:08:05 < BrainDamage> but you're not reading mine
2020-03-27T14:08:13 < BrainDamage> which is why I'm going to quit now
2020-03-27T14:08:20 < jadew> you're saying you can't sell something for X
2020-03-27T14:08:22 < jadew> but you clearly can
2020-03-27T14:08:28 < jadew> because they are doing just that in your area
2020-03-27T14:08:32 < BrainDamage> no I didn't
2020-03-27T14:08:47 < jadew> 14:07:13 <BrainDamage> you cannot suddendly sell a box of pasta for 20e
2020-03-27T14:09:02 < BrainDamage> that is correct, pasta is classified as a basic need
2020-03-27T14:09:13 < srk> in Italy? :D
2020-03-27T14:09:13 < jadew> this thing applies to everything
2020-03-27T14:09:15 < BrainDamage> masks are not a basic need
2020-03-27T14:09:20 < jadew> they kinda are now
2020-03-27T14:09:33 < jadew> but it doesn't even matter if it's a basic need or not
2020-03-27T14:09:58 < jadew> price should always be dictated by supply and demand, if it isn't, that resource is going to be exhausted faster than desirable
2020-03-27T14:10:27 < BrainDamage> that's stupid and every textbook on economics proves your wrong
2020-03-27T14:10:43 < BrainDamage> because people can make cartels, people don't have unlimited buy power, etc
2020-03-27T14:11:01 < BrainDamage> there are things that you do want for your population to have access to
2020-03-27T14:11:07 < BrainDamage> those are classified as basic needs
2020-03-27T14:11:30 < BrainDamage> things that if the population lacks, the whole econmy snowballs into a shit solution
2020-03-27T14:11:48 < BrainDamage> now masks are not legally classified as basic need, but they are *pratically*
2020-03-27T14:12:22 < BrainDamage> the distinction is between the legal value and the practical one
2020-03-27T14:12:24 < jadew> BrainDamage, your solution to the problem seems more complex than it has to be, and less enforceable
2020-03-27T14:12:42 < BrainDamage> it's not 'my' solution, it's what every state does
2020-03-27T14:12:42 < jadew> for example, let's say there's a limit of two bottles of hand sanitizer per person
2020-03-27T14:12:53 < jadew> and let's say that there's a guy who can recognize me at the entrance
2020-03-27T14:13:14 < jadew> what's stopping me from buying 2 bottles from each of the 200 pharmacies in my city?
2020-03-27T14:13:28 < BrainDamage> nothing, except you have finite time
2020-03-27T14:13:41 < jadew> money would
2020-03-27T14:13:45 < BrainDamage> it takes a lot of time an energy to visit every pharmacy
2020-03-27T14:14:13 < BrainDamage> again, those policies don't have to be perfect
2020-03-27T14:14:15 < jadew> not as much as you'd think, they tend to be in clusters around busy areas
2020-03-27T14:14:19 < BrainDamage> they just have to work on average
2020-03-27T14:14:29 < jadew> you go to a big intersection and you have access to maybe a dozen pharmacies
2020-03-27T14:14:36 < BrainDamage> same reason why masks work, they don't give perfect protection
2020-03-27T14:15:00 < BrainDamage> but if you can cut transmission rate by 60%, then you've shrunk down the epidemy considerably
2020-03-27T14:15:13 < BrainDamage> so yes, some will still hoard, doesn't matter
2020-03-27T14:15:26 < BrainDamage> it'll take them lot of energy and time
2020-03-27T14:15:30 < BrainDamage> most won't
2020-03-27T14:15:47 < jadew> I think some won't
2020-03-27T14:15:57 < jadew> if it's such a desirable item, they'll make the time
2020-03-27T14:16:02 < BrainDamage> why is there laws against murder?
2020-03-27T14:16:03 < jadew> it's not like they're going to work anymore
2020-03-27T14:16:14 < BrainDamage> afterall you can just kill someone and get away with it
2020-03-27T14:16:26 < BrainDamage> it's not enforceable
2020-03-27T14:16:31 < jadew> BrainDamage, murder is morally wrong, offer & demand laws aren't
2020-03-27T14:16:54 < BrainDamage> it's morally wrong when the result endangers both individuals and a population as whole
2020-03-27T14:17:48 < jadew> mmm.. not sure that is true, morality stems from the fact that we are social beings and it's a code we can follow to make sure others will still play with us
2020-03-27T14:18:12 < jadew> it's not about the inflicted damage, but more about how we can behave so things can continue to be good for us
2020-03-27T14:18:14 < BrainDamage> now you're just going on philosophy, while I have statistics on my side
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2020-03-27T14:19:02 < Steffanx> internet stats or real one?
2020-03-27T14:19:23 < BrainDamage> if they are published on the internet, does it make them not real?
2020-03-27T14:19:33 < jadew> thing is, I understand your point, but unless there's enough of that resource, I think it's just better to rise prices
2020-03-27T14:19:40 < jadew> if setting a limit also works, fine
2020-03-27T14:20:02 < jadew> but I find it less efficient than just allowing the market to do what it does best
2020-03-27T14:20:23 < BrainDamage> the market is only guaranteed to reach a stability point at steady state
2020-03-27T14:20:43 < BrainDamage> there's no economical theory that predicts the disasters that happen inbetween
2020-03-27T14:20:56 < BrainDamage> other than specific effects
2020-03-27T14:21:09 < jadew> well, if you analyze the prices set by price gougers, you will see that they are extremely high at first and then they lower them, if they can't sell enough
2020-03-27T14:21:34 < jadew> they are taking a risk by pricing things high, because production could ramp up and they'd end up with a bunch of stock they can't sell
2020-03-27T14:22:14 < BrainDamage> do you realize scalping is illegal, right?
2020-03-27T14:22:15 < jadew> they, as opposed to supermarkets, have a much tighter feedback loop, because the change doesn't have to go through the supply chains and all that
2020-03-27T14:22:28 < jadew> BrainDamage, I do, but I don't think it should be
2020-03-27T14:23:16 < jadew> if there is a demand for those seats, at those prices, event houses could just start selling them higher to begin with
2020-03-27T14:23:37 < PaulFertser> Boris offers tea instead of answers https://youtu.be/r799U_-jAnk
2020-03-27T14:23:37 < BrainDamage> that's artificial scarcity
2020-03-27T14:23:49 < BrainDamage> look at debeers cartel
2020-03-27T14:23:59 < jadew> BrainDamage, yeah, but the event house decides how much scarcity it wants to deal with
2020-03-27T14:24:10 < jadew> airlines are doing it
2020-03-27T14:24:13 < BrainDamage> it does alreay
2020-03-27T14:24:32 < BrainDamage> but a third party individual reselling doesn't have the same risks that the owner does
2020-03-27T14:24:52 < BrainDamage> if a concert has no attendance, even if the tickets are paid, it's a loss for the organizer
2020-03-27T14:25:22 < BrainDamage> if masks are sold in bulk to an individual and not redistributed to the population, it's a loss in welfare for the state
2020-03-27T14:25:29 < jadew> BrainDamage, they don't have to sell all tickets that high
2020-03-27T14:25:56 < jadew> my point is that the organizer can compete with the scalpers and make more money in the process
2020-03-27T14:26:20 < BrainDamage> no because the scalpers have much less risks than the supplier
2020-03-27T14:26:29 < BrainDamage> they are always in a position of advantage
2020-03-27T14:26:33 < jadew> don't get me wrong, I think they are parasites, but if you allow them to exist and be dealt with by the market, I think the outcome will be better all around
2020-03-27T14:32:05 < jadew> BrainDamage, I wish yeast was that expensive
2020-03-27T14:32:32 < jadew> 2 million bags were shipped this week
2020-03-27T14:32:38 < jadew> (from the manufacturer)
2020-03-27T14:32:44 < jadew> they were briefly in stock yesterday
2020-03-27T14:32:56 < jadew> with a limit of 10 bags per order
2020-03-27T14:33:05 < jadew> I didn't catch ANY
2020-03-27T14:33:25 < jadew> the system was basically stuck and no shipping hours were available
2020-03-27T14:33:36 < jadew> by the time it became usable again, they were all gone
2020-03-27T14:43:30 < Steffanx> Im not sure what to say about Roche, mawk
2020-03-27T14:43:47 < jadew> roche holding?
2020-03-27T14:43:54 < jadew> are you guys buying stocks?
2020-03-27T14:44:32 < Steffanx> lol no
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2020-03-27T14:48:13 < jadew> looks like USA has the most reported cases as of today
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2020-03-27T15:05:00 < Steffanx> ok
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2020-03-27T16:03:25 < karlp> jadew: fwiw, and I'm somewhat loathe to fuel you at all these days, denmark is/was selling hand sanitizer where first bottle cost ~500kr, and subsequent bottles were like 2000kr (icelandic krona numbers, because it was on our news, but the intent is hopefully clear)
2020-03-27T16:04:59 < Steffanx> I read about that too, wasnt it kinda fake newsish?
2020-03-27T16:05:01 < Steffanx> or a joke
2020-03-27T16:05:04 < Steffanx> or marketing
2020-03-27T16:05:06 < Steffanx> or wahtever you want to call it
2020-03-27T16:09:58  * karlp shrugs
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2020-03-27T16:10:45 < karlp> doesn't seem unreasonable, or any reason to doubt it?
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2020-03-27T16:40:38 < karlp> hrm, got a word document with high(er) resolution dimension drawings than just a png on a website.
2020-03-27T16:40:50 < karlp> looks lovely, crisp, nice drawings.
2020-03-27T16:40:58 < karlp> go to copy it into my own doc, 
2020-03-27T16:41:08 < karlp> discover that it's dozens of individual lines and elements.
2020-03-27T16:41:17 < karlp> no-way someone created it in word, 
2020-03-27T16:41:27 < karlp> there must be some design tool that exported to docx.
2020-03-27T16:42:30 < karlp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/SvXCF.png  I guess i'm just goign to have to screenshot it again to get single elements
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2020-03-27T16:51:58 < karlp> nice.  there's text like "23.8 +- 0.3"
2020-03-27T16:52:18 < karlp> the +- symbol  is part of the graphic, and the "23.8 0.3" is text centered on top, 
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2020-03-27T17:22:25 < Cracki> jadew, "if current trends continue" + linear extrapolation is usually enough for doomsday cults such as acid rain or manhattan under 100 meters of water or whatever other fever dreams they have
2020-03-27T17:23:04 < Cracki> I'm also poking fun at flat earthers taking a day's hike on a flat plain, extrapolating linearly from that, and concluding that earth doesn't curve
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2020-03-27T17:24:59 < jpa-> i predict that if current trends continue, soon we will have over 1000 stm32 variants and over a million pages of documentation to read
2020-03-27T17:25:09 < jpa-> oh wait, we are there already
2020-03-27T17:26:50 < boddax> jpa you coding with stm32 dev board?
2020-03-27T17:27:15 < Cracki> guys guys have you seen this link that hasn't been posted four times already? https://blog.zapb.de/stm32f1-exceptional-failure/
2020-03-27T17:27:34 < srk> repost!
2020-03-27T17:27:36 < Steffanx> TY Cracki
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2020-03-27T17:29:09 < jpa-> boddax: nah, i generally just make the final / proto pcb to start with
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2020-03-27T17:29:45 < jpa-> Cracki: i think zapb_ might be interested, that's the kind of stuff he does!
2020-03-27T17:30:23 < boddax> jpa commercial devel?
2020-03-27T17:31:23 < jpa-> boddax: hobby, commercial, lifestyle, i do them all
2020-03-27T17:31:25 < Cracki> merchant devil
2020-03-27T17:32:56 < boddax> jpa- nice do you have any online shared project?
2020-03-27T17:33:08 < jadew> Cracki, well, current trends will continue for now
2020-03-27T17:33:16 < jpa-> boddax: yeah but they are probably very difficult to find
2020-03-27T17:34:04 < jadew> the delay between infection to death is ~22 days and most countries haven't been under lockdown for so long
2020-03-27T17:34:31 < Cracki> the trend of trends continuing will continue
2020-03-27T17:34:48 < jadew> I think we'll start seeing some changes in 2 weeks or so
2020-03-27T17:35:14 < Steffanx> What if you wont make it that far?
2020-03-27T17:35:24 < boddax> people stay home change your dress and shoes when back to home and disinfect all you bought at the mall ..it stick at surface for hours
2020-03-27T17:35:24 < jadew> then they will stop
2020-03-27T17:35:27 < Cracki> germany shows some effect already. only ~10% daily growth instead of 20%
2020-03-27T17:36:01 < Cracki> maybe we should do what the asians do and stick our old people in body bags. no germs will reach them in there!
2020-03-27T17:36:31 < Cracki> or wherever that video of the alleged undead in a body bag was from (I saw nothing in that video, and nobody could point out any movement)
2020-03-27T17:37:11 < jadew> Cracki, yeah, it was only based on the discussion they were having (the nurses)
2020-03-27T17:37:15 < jadew> it was from Iran
2020-03-27T17:37:32 < jadew> saw this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWFr6khY2U4
2020-03-27T17:37:57 < Cracki> can't trust translations ever
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2020-03-27T17:38:06 < Cracki> or that people in those videos are actually truthful
2020-03-27T17:38:15 < Cracki> you can only trust cold hard corpses
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2020-03-27T17:39:26 < boddax> what do you think about ozonator inside home ..dangerous but kill any bacteria and viruses
2020-03-27T17:39:56 < Cracki> some paper suggested UV radiation around 200 nm for germicidal properties
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2020-03-27T17:40:19 < Cracki> it's too short a wavelength to affect more than the very upprt layer of skin (250nm would be dangerous)
2020-03-27T17:40:37 < Cracki> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-21058-w
2020-03-27T17:40:45 < boddax> ozone is a gas can reach any place
2020-03-27T17:41:16 < Cracki> I wouldn't mess with ozone. no idea if it mixes with normal air, rises or drops down, health effects...
2020-03-27T17:41:44 < boddax> yeah dangerous if over doses+
2020-03-27T17:41:59 < jpa-> dangerous at any dose
2020-03-27T17:42:15 < Cracki> healthy at any weight
2020-03-27T17:42:42 < Cracki> hm, maybe FOOF your home. that should remove pathogens
2020-03-27T17:43:09 < Cracki> love it https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2010/02/23/things_i_wont_work_with_dioxygen_difluoride
2020-03-27T17:45:10 < boddax> i love fooFoo Fighters
2020-03-27T17:46:08 < Steffanx> No you dont.
2020-03-27T17:46:31 < boddax> why not
2020-03-27T17:46:59 < Steffanx> lol
2020-03-27T17:49:42 < englishman> emeb: have you ever tried HLS
2020-03-27T17:51:18 < emeb> englishman: I messed around with it a few years ago, but nothing serious. It's probably changed a lot since then.
2020-03-27T17:51:52 < emeb> My main conclusion at the time was that it's good for a very limited set of problems. 
2020-03-27T17:52:08 < englishman> would it be useful for a non-fpga person or do you still need to be an expert?
2020-03-27T17:52:16 < englishman> ie is it to solve development problems not design problems
2020-03-27T17:52:57 < emeb> If you are working on a problem that fits into the domain that HLS is good for then you may be able to get good results w/o really understanding FPGA design 
2020-03-27T17:53:11 < englishman> in that sense it seems interesting, no?
2020-03-27T17:53:15 < emeb> But once your problem strays outside that range then you will experience pain
2020-03-27T17:53:22 < karlp> what is it?
2020-03-27T17:53:25 < englishman> i could give a certain filter to a normal programmer to implement in fpga
2020-03-27T17:53:37 < emeb> and if you don't understand FPGAs you won't know where the boundary is or how to fix the issues that arise.
2020-03-27T17:53:45 < srk> and what's its domain?
2020-03-27T17:53:45 < englishman> that's what i fear
2020-03-27T17:54:17 < srk> bluespec was recently opensources btw
2020-03-27T17:54:36 < srk> s/s/d
2020-03-27T17:56:12 < englishman> karlp: xilinx's c/c++ -> rtl solution
2020-03-27T17:56:18 < englishman> with some useful libraries
2020-03-27T17:56:38 < englishman> but you can also output to the zynq ps which seems a little weird
2020-03-27T17:57:35 < emeb> right - it tries to partition your C/C++ into stuff that goes into the ARM and stuff that goes into the FPGA. Then it generates Verilog for the FPGA stuff from your C/C++ and synthesizes that.
2020-03-27T17:58:06 < emeb> It's a great vision, but the C->Verilog mapping is... fraught.
2020-03-27T17:58:30 < emeb> and for that matter the SW/HW partitioning isn't too easy either.
2020-03-27T17:59:11 < emeb> So for best performance you end up having to code your C using design patterns that are known to work well.
2020-03-27T17:59:49 < emeb> Which for me says you're better off just doing the partitioning yourself and learning Verilog.
2020-03-27T18:00:25 < srk> heh, C/C++ as input lang sounds weird 
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2020-03-27T18:00:42 < boddax> i prefer verilog too
2020-03-27T18:00:58 < englishman> i'm furloughed so my goal over the next few weeks is to make a little video processor with this zybo i stole
2020-03-27T18:01:21 < englishman> i have hdmi in and out, and framebuffers in the ddr
2020-03-27T18:01:31 < englishman> (the zybo demo)
2020-03-27T18:01:44 < englishman> but i think what i want to do is add my own ip block and have that output go to the ps
2020-03-27T18:02:02 < englishman> so i have to learn: axis and axi4 ip block creation
2020-03-27T18:02:26 < emeb> yep
2020-03-27T18:02:38 < englishman> it was easy enough to work with the framebuffers in ps, but it will certainly be too slow
2020-03-27T18:02:41 < emeb> there are some reasonable tutorials out there that should help you get started.
2020-03-27T18:02:52 < englishman> yep now that i know what i am looking for :)
2020-03-27T18:03:24 < englishman> some basic concepts like: how to properly reset the ip blocks from ps still escape me tho
2020-03-27T18:03:36 < srk> lol, that's a bunch of HDMIs https://www.crowdsupply.com/numato-lab/opsis
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2020-03-27T18:21:14 < boddax> srk do you own that board?
2020-03-27T18:21:35 < srk> no, I was just checking out milkymist and found this 
2020-03-27T18:21:45 < srk> there's also NeTV which can do HDMI
2020-03-27T18:23:13 < boddax> interested about that sdram 100 pin
2020-03-27T18:23:39 < boddax> look like cypress ic but cant read the detail
2020-03-27T18:24:32 < srk> boddax: https://github.com/timvideos/HDMI2USB-numato-opsis-hardware
2020-03-27T18:24:48 < boddax> srk thank you 
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2020-03-27T19:38:25 < Steffanx> welcome
2020-03-27T19:40:36 < doomba> to the valley of the real
2020-03-27T19:41:07 < doomba> jadew: when's the last time you saw 12 monkeys?
2020-03-27T19:41:37 < doomba> pretty good time to watch it now. gonna watch it this weekend.
2020-03-27T19:43:51 < Steffanx> the movie or series
2020-03-27T19:44:00 < doomba> the movie from 1990's
2020-03-27T19:44:01 < Steffanx> i wasnt too impressed by the series
2020-03-27T19:45:06 < doomba> truthstream media made an hour long docu today about what comes after coronavirus
2020-03-27T19:46:10 < Steffanx> corona 2: Hypervirus
2020-03-27T19:46:13 < doomba> and how for at least the next 18 months, society will be put through "waves" of measures to stop outbreaks
2020-03-27T19:47:28 < doomba> giving TPTB time to implement the new surveillance and social control structures they've been trying to push through for years
2020-03-27T19:48:15 < Steffanx> ok
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2020-03-27T20:16:52 < zyp> hi hi
2020-03-27T20:17:59 < zyp> fucking assholes cancelled my return flight again
2020-03-27T20:18:44 < zyp> «sorry, we don't have any flights we can rebook you to until may»
2020-03-27T20:19:59 < zyp> so now I get to have a dance with the travel insurance about getting new return tickets covered
2020-03-27T20:20:25 < zyp> that part should be pretty straight forward
2020-03-27T20:27:10 < aandrew> lol doomba 
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2020-03-27T21:00:34 < invzim> zyp: vacation in northern italy?
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2020-03-27T21:06:29 < machinehum> hi
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2020-03-27T21:18:13 < zyp> invzim, japan
2020-03-27T21:19:19 < jpa-> steal a boat
2020-03-27T21:19:37 < boddax> actually north italy is safe enough
2020-03-27T21:25:49 < aandrew> https://149366101.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Russia.jpg lol
2020-03-27T21:31:55 < invzim> zyp: sucks, but Japan is for sure not the worst place one can get stuck
2020-03-27T21:32:58 < zyp> I'm not stuck, I got new tickets with a different company
2020-03-27T21:35:46 < invzim> allreet, hope it's not a terrible one
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2020-03-27T21:52:18 < mawk> that they don't want to give the authorization to testing labs to brew their own cell lysis solution Steffanx 
2020-03-27T21:52:29 < mawk> they want people to buy only roche's formulation
2020-03-27T21:52:34 < mawk> but it's out of stock
2020-03-27T21:52:57 < mawk> so NL can't carry massive testing because roche doesn't want to relax the vendor contract bs
2020-03-27T21:53:02 < ds2> lysis?
2020-03-27T21:53:13 < mawk> cell breakdown
2020-03-27T21:53:23 < ds2> thought that was a thermal process?
2020-03-27T21:53:28 < mawk> so that the RNA floats freely in solution
2020-03-27T21:53:36 < mawk> or DNA or whatever's inside the cell
2020-03-27T21:53:42 < mawk> dunno about the termal part
2020-03-27T21:53:55 < mawk> but what's missing currently in indeed that solution
2020-03-27T21:54:02 < mawk> and like 80% of NL labs use Roche equipment
2020-03-27T21:54:08 < ds2> thought it was the Taq that is special
2020-03-27T21:54:36 < mawk> guess that's not out of stock yet
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2020-03-27T21:55:30 < ds2> hmm that's is a solution
2020-03-27T21:55:36 < ds2> must be confusing it with the unziping
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2020-03-27T22:10:50 < Steffanx> they do now mawk
2020-03-27T22:11:00 < Laurenceb> keeek oh wow
2020-03-27T22:11:13 < Laurenceb> apparently there are crime gang checkpoints in uk now
2020-03-27T22:11:20 < Laurenceb> with fake police
2020-03-27T22:11:27 < Laurenceb> you have to pay the toll to pass
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2020-03-27T22:11:54 < Laurenceb>  "coronavirus checkpoint"
2020-03-27T22:12:06 < Steffanx> First they said all the info was freely available on the web mawk.
2020-03-27T22:12:08 < jly> rofl
2020-03-27T22:12:22 < Steffanx> Now after the drama the decided to release the required information, mawk
2020-03-27T22:12:47 < jly> a
2020-03-27T22:12:53 < Steffanx> b
2020-03-27T22:13:07 < jly> boris mate
2020-03-27T22:13:09 < Steffanx> Good morning this saturday jly
2020-03-27T22:13:14 < jly> he got the bug
2020-03-27T22:13:39 < jly> Coronavirus Australia live updates: Sydney man charged with mass toilet paper theft
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2020-03-27T22:14:36 < Laurenceb> >when ur watching the death toll counter scroll round but ur the next digit
2020-03-27T22:14:56 < jly> where is boris mate
2020-03-27T22:14:56 < Laurenceb> >(you)
2020-03-27T22:15:00 < Laurenceb> dead 
2020-03-27T22:15:17 < jly> have you lost your sides again Laurenceb 
2020-03-27T22:15:17 < Steffanx> What is the point of this > in front of your sentences Laurenceb? This is not fucking 4chan or wahtever chan.
2020-03-27T22:15:24 < jly> or are they strapped on?
2020-03-27T22:15:41 < Laurenceb> Steffanx: I was indoctrinated by the chans
2020-03-27T22:16:43 < jly> https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/coronavirus-boris-johnson-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/news-story/bf2a4375839024c789faa1410ba322fa
2020-03-27T22:17:14 < Laurenceb> >lol stuupid Iranians their heath minister caught the virus
2020-03-27T22:17:17 < Steffanx> So hows the quarantining going jly?
2020-03-27T22:17:37 < Laurenceb> >implying he ever leaves the basement anyway
2020-03-27T22:17:53 < Steffanx> I know he does. 
2020-03-27T22:17:56 < Steffanx> *did
2020-03-27T22:18:04 < Laurenceb> https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=16054712&cid=59878876
2020-03-27T22:18:07 < Laurenceb> keeeekk
2020-03-27T22:18:20 < Laurenceb> "I think I might invent a meal in a pill which also cures all diseases" t. Musk
2020-03-27T22:18:36 < jly> Steffanx: i keep going places
2020-03-27T22:18:59 < jly> so not good lol
2020-03-27T22:19:18 < Steffanx> Not good indeed.
2020-03-27T22:19:28 < Steffanx> Especially not when you're jly
2020-03-27T22:19:51 < jly> ty
2020-03-27T22:20:29 < jly> yeah I reenginiggered a beer garden
2020-03-27T22:22:51 < jly> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-lO9Rm1u2c
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2020-03-27T22:25:18 < Steffanx> Jolly doesnt do that. Gladly
2020-03-27T22:27:26 < jly> haha
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2020-03-27T22:35:29 < jly> Steffanx: can you post jolly
2020-03-27T22:35:46 < Steffanx> No Jolly is afk
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2020-03-27T22:44:47 < jly> can you go and find jolly?
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2020-03-27T22:58:13 < karlp> zyp: good luck with travel insurance. bunch of .au friends had alllll travel inusrance voided when the govt declared the rest of the world unsafe
2020-03-27T22:58:21 < Laurenceb> ywlts incels COUGH on the thots
2020-03-27T23:00:25 < Laurenceb> https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=16054692&cid=59878518
2020-03-27T23:07:25 < Laurenceb> https://www.amazon.com/Corona-Chan-Spreading-Infectious-Suspense-Pulpdemic-ebook/dp/B0865LLFW4
2020-03-27T23:10:05 < Cracki> death counter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roynWT8EcE8
2020-03-27T23:10:57 < jly> DC
2020-03-27T23:15:18 < ds2> prehaps non terrestrial travel is a better option
2020-03-27T23:19:08 < jly> ty
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2020-03-28T00:02:15 < qyx> pcie obsession #n+1: https://imgur.com/a/M4z4oz4
2020-03-28T00:02:48 < karlp> looking good man :)
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2020-03-28T00:05:29 < Laurenceb> https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
2020-03-28T00:05:36 < Laurenceb> power consumption going down
2020-03-28T00:07:18 < qyx> time to order some subrack components
2020-03-28T00:07:38 < Cracki> very nostalgia much gauge
2020-03-28T00:08:08 < srk> hah, pretty cool
2020-03-28T00:08:16 < Cracki> I see no change in monthly and yearly graphs, doctor blaxploitation
2020-03-28T00:09:57 < Laurenceb> see the last week 
2020-03-28T00:10:37 < Cracki> you mean the nuclear/coal/ccgt/wind column?
2020-03-28T00:10:48 < Cracki> total demand looks very boring
2020-03-28T00:11:12 < Cracki> looks like wind dropped over the past few days and "ccgt" made up for it
2020-03-28T00:11:24 < qyx> whats ccgt
2020-03-28T00:11:36 < Cracki> Combined Cycle Gas Turbines
2020-03-28T00:11:41 < Cracki> no clue what that is
2020-03-28T00:11:48 < qyx> aha, me neither
2020-03-28T00:12:18 < Steffanx> Where is the visitor counter?
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2020-03-28T00:20:50 < karlp> power goes down in the office here with everyone working from home: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/4Pfy0.png
2020-03-28T00:22:34 < qyx> why is it in kWh?
2020-03-28T00:24:02 < karlp> soryr, energy goes down
2020-03-28T00:24:15 < karlp> those are kwh per 15minute interval shits
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2020-03-28T00:39:50 < Steffanx> Someone worked for days in a row this week
2020-03-28T00:42:12 < qyx> kWh per 15min :P
2020-03-28T00:42:20 < qyx> karlp: nice that etactica
2020-03-28T00:43:27 < qyx> oh this is hosted
2020-03-28T00:44:22 < qyx> also wtf are you doing there, 10kWh per 15min, thats 960kWh per day
2020-03-28T00:46:28 < karlp> big office.
2020-03-28T00:46:37 < karlp> (not just us, that's the entire floor of the building)
2020-03-28T00:46:49 < karlp> ah, it was on hourly too, not 15min
2020-03-28T00:47:55 < qyx> getting 7mbps down, 5mbps up on this congested LTE
2020-03-28T00:49:43 < catphish> that seems quite a lot for a bust mobile link
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2020-03-28T00:50:49 < qyx> kakimir was raging recetnyl he is getting 140mbps only
2020-03-28T00:51:05 < qyx> but not every LTE is the same
2020-03-28T01:00:25  * karlp needs ~24€ from mouser
2020-03-28T01:05:19 < karlp> stupid st nucleos
2020-03-28T01:05:25 < karlp> g071 nucleo doesn't have usb on it.
2020-03-28T01:06:26 < englishman> g072
2020-03-28T01:06:39 < englishman> oh g
2020-03-28T01:06:45 < englishman> there's a g without usb??
2020-03-28T01:11:34 < karlp> well, g070 has no usb, it's the "buy this when you want an avr/msp499 but an stm32 instead"
2020-03-28T01:11:37 < karlp> g071 has usb,
2020-03-28T01:11:44 < karlp> but nucleo64 boards don't have usb.
2020-03-28T01:12:00 < karlp> so kinda lame for doing real eval with.
2020-03-28T01:13:50  * karlp thinks an l5 nucleo is more fun
2020-03-28T01:16:14 < englishman> https://opensource.googleblog.com/2020/03/pigweed-collection-of-embedded-libraries.html
2020-03-28T01:16:23 < srk> g4 nucleo!
2020-03-28T01:16:33 < karlp> yeah, looks like googlers decided to rebuild the world again, as usual
2020-03-28T01:16:38 < karlp> got a g4 nucleo and a l5 nucleo
2020-03-28T01:16:41 < karlp> cortex-m33 here we come!
2020-03-28T01:16:49 < englishman> just add python
2020-03-28T01:16:49 < srk> englishman: I'm writing the very same thing atm 
2020-03-28T01:16:53 < srk> in haskell :D
2020-03-28T01:18:01 < karlp> bars are all closed, buy more junk
2020-03-28T01:18:45 < srk> m33!
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2020-03-28T01:22:06 < qyx> is m33 any good?
2020-03-28T01:22:14 < qyx> except that crypto stuff
2020-03-28T01:22:42 < srk> no idea, just added it to the list of cores recently :)
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2020-03-28T01:23:43 < karlp> not a clue, just expanding the list of nucleos on file for testing with
2020-03-28T01:23:52 < karlp> all parts and cases now bought for the hubbish project,
2020-03-28T01:23:59 < karlp> just need to get the pcb revised for the new box
2020-03-28T01:24:52 < qyx> https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/estorage/eufs/
2020-03-28T01:24:58 < qyx> G3 2lane interface O-o
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2020-03-28T03:24:41 < jadew> doomba, it's been a while
2020-03-28T03:29:16 < jadew> 3270 dead today, 3.4% more than the trend suggested
2020-03-28T03:29:43 < jadew> considering Italy is at almost 1000 dead per day, I wonder what the real death toll was in China
2020-03-28T03:30:12 < jadew> must have been in the 10s of thousands if not higher
2020-03-28T03:31:39 < jadew> hope that's just a spike for Italy, they seemed to be leveling off for a bit
2020-03-28T03:36:03 < Cracki> if you could get hourly numbers, what would you do
2020-03-28T03:36:43 < Cracki> irrespective of that, those predictions need confidence intervals
2020-03-28T03:37:03 < Cracki> the noisier your base data, the wider the interval (for whatever probability)
2020-03-28T03:37:28 < Cracki> that confidence corridor also widens the farther you extrapolate
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2020-03-28T03:38:09 < Cracki> contrary to what some characters said in that one DS9 episode, there is no way to become more precise the farther away you extrapolate
2020-03-28T03:39:30 < jadew> DS9?
2020-03-28T03:40:37 < jadew> and I know the confidence widens, for today, the trend's precision was of 0.7% and the real error was of 0.24%
2020-03-28T03:40:40 < jadew> so pretty good
2020-03-28T03:43:24 < jadew> I think that even if you are 10% or even 20% off, you're still getting valuable information
2020-03-28T03:43:42 < jadew> especially when you're dealing with an exponential trend, so increase is much larger than the error
2020-03-28T03:44:03 < jadew> *the increase
2020-03-28T03:45:41 < Cracki> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_Probabilities
2020-03-28T03:46:20 < jadew> ah
2020-03-28T03:46:52 < jadew> anyway, I think for now the trend is very reliable, because the effects of the lockdown measures haven't kicked in yet
2020-03-28T03:47:01 < Laurenceb> https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/
2020-03-28T03:47:03 < Cracki> https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Tamarian_language
2020-03-28T03:47:04 < Laurenceb> this isnt so good
2020-03-28T03:47:22 < jadew> Laurenceb, it isn't, no
2020-03-28T03:47:34 < Cracki> death counter go brrrrr
2020-03-28T03:47:50 < Cracki> https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/money-printer-go-brrr
2020-03-28T03:50:16 < englishman> Laurenceb: isn't the normal yearly UK flu death toll like 20k
2020-03-28T03:50:25 < Laurenceb> >when ur cheering as the muricun deaths counter is going up, but then the uk counter goes up and ur the digit
2020-03-28T03:51:05 < Laurenceb> englishman: worst case yeah
2020-03-28T03:51:18 < Laurenceb> but coronavirus is 300k predicted for uk
2020-03-28T03:51:27 < englishman> cool
2020-03-28T03:51:34 < englishman> that's a lot
2020-03-28T03:51:41 < englishman> and just this year
2020-03-28T03:51:43 < englishman> ?
2020-03-28T03:51:49 < Cracki> don't count your chickens before they hatch
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2020-03-28T03:52:23 < jadew> right... I have high hopes that we won't reach that .7 * .02 number
2020-03-28T03:52:49 < jadew> with good lockdown measures, we can probably hold this thing off until a vaccine is available
2020-03-28T03:53:14 < englishman> Laurenceb: have you seen / read logan's run
2020-03-28T03:53:18 < jadew> the economy can work (slowly) even in these conditions
2020-03-28T03:53:39 < Cracki> so what fraction of the population will ultimately die in your model?
2020-03-28T03:53:42 < Laurenceb> englishman yeah
2020-03-28T03:53:44 < Cracki> fraction, not absolute number
2020-03-28T03:54:05 < Laurenceb> I saw 60% infected, 0.6% death rate predicted
2020-03-28T03:54:09 < Laurenceb> for those infected
2020-03-28T03:54:18 < jadew> the death rate is ~2%
2020-03-28T03:54:32 < Cracki> 0.6% is less than die every year anyway
2020-03-28T03:55:03 < Cracki> 2% is because more people have had this stuff than have been tested
2020-03-28T03:55:35 < Cracki> start figuring out how you can use this situation to your advantage
2020-03-28T03:55:42 < jadew> no, you can get the proof for that by looking at the diamond princess which has had 100% test coverage and at south korea, which has had decent enough testing
2020-03-28T03:55:48 < jadew> *and tracking
2020-03-28T03:56:20 < Cracki> who has the money for an ocean cruise? OLD PEOPLE
2020-03-28T03:56:26 < jadew> about a week ago, the Diamond Princess situation was suggesting ~1%, but it's slowly creeping up
2020-03-28T03:56:27 < Cracki> not representative
2020-03-28T03:57:00 < srk> Cracki: that's like a terrible horror movie
2020-03-28T03:57:44 < Cracki> how many were on that cruise ship? 600? just from life expectancy you'd expect a passenger from that group to die every 7 weeks
2020-03-28T03:57:51 < Cracki> :D
2020-03-28T03:58:21 < jadew> 3000
2020-03-28T03:58:22 < srk> Cracki opening another blackboxes
2020-03-28T03:58:40 < Cracki> great, 3000/80 years is one every 10 days
2020-03-28T03:58:42 < zyp> karlp, we left before norway made that decision
2020-03-28T03:58:55 < zyp> if we had left like five days later, the insurance would be void
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2020-03-28T04:02:33 < Cracki> 3711 passengers. 10 dead (wikipedia). january 20 possible start of infection. now it's ~65 days later, from life expectancy 8 should have died. I can live with a difference of 2.
2020-03-28T04:03:14 < Cracki> let 80 years pass. the coronavirus will have killed EVERYONE.
2020-03-28T04:03:31 < srk> lol
2020-03-28T04:04:35 < jadew> Cracki, so you think that over a period of say 2 years, the total number of deaths worldwide is going to be the same, with or without ncov, right?
2020-03-28T04:04:39 < Cracki> cause of death: nodded off in front of TV, blood clot in the legs, stroke
2020-03-28T04:04:55 < Cracki> cause of death: slipped on sidewalk
2020-03-28T04:05:55 < Cracki> jadew, I'm saying this will, statistically, on average, shave some time off everyone's life expectancy. some get zeroed out, some have luck.
2020-03-28T04:06:27 < Cracki> most will be hit hard but recover. some will die from this now, instead of from something else in a few weeks or months, because they are frail
2020-03-28T04:07:18 < jadew> you know, given the filter-like effect, you are correct and I've thought about this too, but it doesn't change the fact that it's killing lots of people who might have had years ahead, even in that frail state
2020-03-28T04:07:26 < jadew> maybe even decades
2020-03-28T04:07:33 < Cracki> that is true
2020-03-28T04:08:23 < Cracki> individually tragic. globally "business as usual". some sickness, some natural catastrophe, something, will kill people
2020-03-28T04:08:36 < Cracki> that's why we fuck.
2020-03-28T04:09:00 < Cracki> hey laurence, you're a doctor, prescribe vigorous fucking to everyone pls
2020-03-28T04:09:37 < Cracki> allow me to draw parallels. people die in car accidents all the time.
2020-03-28T04:10:34 < jadew> not anymore, they're in lockdown
2020-03-28T04:10:37 < Cracki> awful to watch someone die. still a statistic we live with.
2020-03-28T04:10:59 < Cracki> same with smoking. that definitely shaves years off your life.
2020-03-28T04:11:35 < Cracki> living near a coal power plant, same. fukushima? that cost you and everyone else much less than you think.
2020-03-28T04:12:40 < Cracki> flying in a plane costs you life. eating healthy adds. getting an xray costs a little. thinking positively adds a little more.
2020-03-28T04:14:11 < Cracki> life isn't deterministic. you can't demand your full 80+ years. tomorrow an anvil could drop on your head. or not. you could live with the gamble, or ask for insurance which consists of dropping a tiny anvil on your head every morning.
2020-03-28T04:15:18 < Cracki> grocery store had diapers on sale today. they're 9 months early. maybe buy those cheap now, sell them later
2020-03-28T04:18:41 < srk> :) it's something completely different when you put things in perspective
2020-03-28T04:19:13 < srk> compared to what we are massaged with
2020-03-28T04:22:44 < Cracki> 0.007 years https://www.ozy.com/acumen/the-biggest-health-risk-after-fukushima-diabetes/85971/
2020-03-28T04:22:58 < Cracki> that is two and a half days
2020-03-28T04:23:24 < Cracki> if you lived near it
2020-03-28T04:23:48 < Cracki> >The main health effect of the nuclear disaster [has been] the social disruption
2020-03-28T04:24:00 < srk> rekt
2020-03-28T04:24:27 < Cracki> same with wuflu. the virus will be less awful than all the jobless indebted people
2020-03-28T04:25:25 < jadew> you don't know that
2020-03-28T04:25:43 < jadew> there is a balance, but it's difficult to figure out how much this virus weights yet
2020-03-28T04:25:45 < Cracki> I find it likely
2020-03-28T04:26:00 < jadew> if left unchecked, it could ravage humanity
2020-03-28T04:26:25 < jadew> we just don't know enough about it and the safest course of action is to stop it in its tracks until we do
2020-03-28T04:26:56 < jadew> the EUCDC said it's not going to be seasonal
2020-03-28T04:27:14 < jadew> meaning it won't go away during the summer or anything like that, it's for ever if we don't stop it
2020-03-28T04:27:32 < jadew> and we don't know how it's going to mutate
2020-03-28T04:27:43 < jadew> could switch to 80% death rate, what then?
2020-03-28T04:28:04 < jadew> it's virulent enough that it could still spread just fine even with that death rate
2020-03-28T04:28:34 < Cracki> "not seasonal" may also mean it's not gonna return every winter
2020-03-28T04:28:53 < Cracki> something else will come along.
2020-03-28T04:29:02 < jadew> yeah, but the seasonal property is given by the fact that it doesn't transmits well during the summer
2020-03-28T04:29:10 < jadew> this one doesn't seem to have a problem with that
2020-03-28T04:29:42 < Cracki> because strayans are piling up the bodies? says here "13 deaths"
2020-03-28T04:30:26 < jadew> what are strayans?
2020-03-28T04:30:38 < Cracki> those cunts that wear ground harnesses
2020-03-28T04:31:11 < Cracki> https://i.imgur.com/OxdJPOYg.jpg
2020-03-28T04:31:27 < Cracki> straya. murica.
2020-03-28T04:31:53 < Cracki> https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2017/11/21/fukushimas_evacuation_may_have_done_more_harm_than_good_110464.html
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2020-03-28T04:33:30 < Cracki> ok that article is shit, they compare car crash vs cancer without involving probability
2020-03-28T04:34:48 < Cracki> >Twenty-five percent of elderly residents died within 90 days of the evacuation, notes Tsubokura. https://www.ozy.com/acumen/the-biggest-health-risk-after-fukushima-diabetes/85971/
2020-03-28T04:35:13 < Cracki> that isn't from cancer. that's because they're frail. one gust of wind can kill them.
2020-03-28T04:35:44 < Cracki> wuflu is one giant gust of wind to earth's population
2020-03-28T04:39:19 < englishman> https://i.redd.it/vo8durwn8bp41.jpg
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2020-03-28T05:05:43 < doomba> jadew: china released for gates foundation
2020-03-28T05:05:50 < doomba> released it
2020-03-28T05:06:19 < doomba> they didn't have a reduction in new cases, they're just not reporting anymore
2020-03-28T05:09:39 < doomba> the cycle of "self-quarantine" and "social distancing" will switch on and off like a light switch for every country for the next 18 months - pushing people from one extreme to another to break down society's will and psyche.
2020-03-28T05:10:13 < doomba> and you will accept the new rules because you'll just want it to stop.
2020-03-28T05:11:43 < jadew> doomba, so what's the solution? taking it all at once and making a one-time mass grave?
2020-03-28T05:13:51 < doomba> i lived through a micro-variant of this tactic in prison. it's easy to fortify your psyche against it. but the first step is to recognize that it is social manipulation.
2020-03-28T05:14:27 < doomba> tell your friends. stock up on food when they let you all "go back to normal" and be ready for the next wave.
2020-03-28T05:15:02 < doomba> understand that this cycle will continue for some time. understand that they're trying to break your spirit. don't let them.
2020-03-28T05:15:44 < doomba> and be especially vigilant about what the proposed solutions are for "what's after the pandemic"
2020-03-28T05:16:20 < doomba> what kind of basic human rights WILL they take from this? pay attention.
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2020-03-28T09:48:35 < catphish> who is "they" and what benefit would there be to "them"?
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2020-03-28T10:00:50 < PaulFertser> catphish: they are people in power and the more power they get over the citizens, the more benefits they have for themselves.
2020-03-28T10:01:36 < catphish> what benefits though?
2020-03-28T10:02:28 < PaulFertser> Money, control
2020-03-28T10:05:00 < PaulFertser> It's not a coincidence many states have something like "the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government." Because it's well-known that governments get corrupt and start working solely for their own benefit every now and then.
2020-03-28T10:05:28 < catphish> good thing we get to choose ours
2020-03-28T10:06:03 < PaulFertser> That's working just till you get too far from the balance point.
2020-03-28T10:06:15 < catphish> the irony being that people love voting for authoritarians
2020-03-28T10:06:29 < catphish> if they're scared enough
2020-03-28T10:07:26 < PaulFertser> Exactly. And sometimes there's no way back by voting alone once the government gets too much power.
2020-03-28T10:08:34 < catphish> my country has suspended all elections because emergency :)
2020-03-28T10:08:49 < PaulFertser> "As terrorism is gaining recognition as a crime under international law, the concept of right to revolution is seen as a legal mechanism to distinguish terrorists from freedom fighters." :D
2020-03-28T10:08:50 < catphish> we're all assuming it's temporary :)
2020-03-28T10:10:49 < jadew> authoritarianism looks different depending on where you are socially
2020-03-28T10:11:28 < jadew> if you're a parasite, the more socialist the government, the better, but at the same time, business owners get the sharp edge
2020-03-28T10:11:42 < jadew> and most private employees
2020-03-28T10:12:24 < jadew> similarly, a liberal government (in the classical sense), will seem like it's taking privileges away from the parasites
2020-03-28T10:12:39 < jadew> and it all seems to be done by force, in both cases
2020-03-28T10:13:53 < jadew> people vote for a government that is willing to take a stance against what they don't like
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2020-03-28T10:15:23 < jadew> nobody wants their freedom to be limited, but they have no problem when other people's freedom is, for their own benefit
2020-03-28T10:15:39 < jadew> that's what people are voting for
2020-03-28T10:16:07 < jadew> or against
2020-03-28T10:16:55 < catphish> well right now people are more than willing to have their own freedom limited, because they believe it's in their own interest, that's a cool trick to pull
2020-03-28T10:17:20 < jadew> and you don't think it is?
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2020-03-28T10:20:26 < catphish> i don't know what i think
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2020-03-28T10:24:28 < catphish> but i think it's clear that temporary restrictions are inevitable globally right now, lets just hope they don't spill into ongoing powers
2020-03-28T10:25:36 < catphish> the good news is that it turns out the law being used to implement restrictions here right now is nearly 40 years old and seemingly doesn't get abused in normal times :)
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2020-03-28T10:32:32 < ds2> time will tell
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2020-03-28T12:38:14 < Steffanx> Hello ReadError_
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2020-03-28T15:01:39 < Cracki> say aah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6_2iH1Hhgw
2020-03-28T15:02:43 < Cracki> spherical cheetah
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2020-03-28T15:09:42 < jpa-> hmm.. either we have reached a new level of lockdown boredom, or my wife knows something i don't - she is now teaching our 4-year-old how to use a geiger counter :D
2020-03-28T15:10:59 < karlp> zyp: in australia, already issued insurance was voided for people.
2020-03-28T15:11:51 < Steffanx> How can teaching your kid ever be boredom jpa-?
2020-03-28T15:12:55 < jpa-> Steffanx: you could teach idealistic parent 101
2020-03-28T15:13:39 < Steffanx> Teach the kid dutch.
2020-03-28T15:13:52 < Steffanx> How to make stroopwafels
2020-03-28T15:13:59 < Steffanx> Gardening?
2020-03-28T15:14:00 < Cracki> where'd you get a geiger counter from during this lockdown?
2020-03-28T15:14:16 < Steffanx> You dont need  geiger counter to teach a kid how to use one.
2020-03-28T15:14:22 < Cracki> bury a banana in the woods, see if you can find it
2020-03-28T15:14:23 < Steffanx> There is an app for that
2020-03-28T15:14:38 < Steffanx> i bet jpa- even has an ipad just for the kid
2020-03-28T15:14:40 < jpa-> Cracki: uh, what home doesn't have a geiger counter?
2020-03-28T15:15:02 < Cracki> for the right price I'd definitely buy one :>
2020-03-28T15:15:05 < jpa-> Steffanx: no, but he does have an old android tablet after my wife bought an ipad for herself
2020-03-28T15:15:31 < jpa-> Cracki: https://www.adafruit.com/product/483  IIRC our is something like this
2020-03-28T15:15:41 < Steffanx> Im surprised you even let your wife bring an apple device into the house.
2020-03-28T15:16:02 < jpa-> Steffanx: i'm the one who convinced her to switch from windows to mac os x in 2009
2020-03-28T15:16:08 < Cracki> of course, totally forgot there are those kits!
2020-03-28T15:16:13 < jpa-> it's been all downhill to the apple tree from there
2020-03-28T15:16:21 < Steffanx> Is jpa- alright? Do you know?
2020-03-28T15:16:37 < jpa-> first ipod, then iphone, then ipad, ipen, iheadphones
2020-03-28T15:16:51 < Steffanx> ipen?
2020-03-28T15:17:11 < jpa-> it's kind of wacom tablet on the ipad
2020-03-28T15:19:16 < Cracki> https://img.igen.fr/2015/11/macgpic-1448881585-105543806016959-sc-op.jpg
2020-03-28T15:19:57 < jpa-> oh yeah, and the imouse also
2020-03-28T15:20:13 < zyp> karlp, how does that work?
2020-03-28T15:22:35 < jpa-> sounds like "force majeuvre" clauses
2020-03-28T15:23:02 < zyp> sounds retarded
2020-03-28T15:23:14 < zyp> what the fuck is the point of insurance if it's void when you actually need it
2020-03-28T15:24:54 < Cracki> seems to be a common thing in america. loss of income insurance? gtfo, you had no power because power plant flooded, flood damage isn't in your contract
2020-03-28T15:25:13 < zyp> good thing I'm not american
2020-03-28T15:25:34 < Cracki> this happens when they aren't held to account
2020-03-28T15:26:12 < zyp> my company seems pretty straight forward; you're covered if you follow the government guidelines
2020-03-28T15:26:51 < Cracki> I like when you can have trust in something. in some places they only want to swindle you out of your money
2020-03-28T15:27:31 < zyp> norway announced a travel advisory on the 14th recommending not going abroad
2020-03-28T15:27:40 < zyp> if you left before, you're covered
2020-03-28T15:27:59 < zyp> if you were due to leave after, refunding your tickets is covered
2020-03-28T15:28:04 < zyp> but it's void if you actually go
2020-03-28T15:28:14 < doomba> why not alpine?
2020-03-28T15:28:29 < zyp> I left on the 8th, so I should be good
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2020-03-28T15:29:07 < zyp> and my original tickets got cancelled without an offered alternative, so new tickets should be covered
2020-03-28T15:29:13 < zyp> it's a pretty clear cut case
2020-03-28T15:29:45 < doomba> we're gonna be cycled in and out of quarantine for 18-24 months and then a new digital ID law will be passed that requires everyone to get the covid-19 vaccination.
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2020-03-28T15:30:13 < zyp> heh
2020-03-28T15:30:17 < doomba> however
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2020-03-28T15:30:23 < doomba> in most countries, this will be a good thing.
2020-03-28T15:31:05 < doomba> in USA, you'll be able to get vaccinated - but if you want the "proof" that you're vaccinated, health insurance will be mandatory.
2020-03-28T15:31:47 < Cracki> id2020, bill gates
2020-03-28T15:31:48 < doomba> if you cannot afford health insurance, you can get medicaid/medicare. and there will be stipulations for receiving that - like being forced to work only certain low wage jobs, unable to get loans, etc.
2020-03-28T15:31:56 < Cracki> "event 201", bill gates
2020-03-28T15:32:26 < doomba> this is how people will be "cancelled" out of society.
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2020-03-28T15:33:38 < jpa-> doomba: uh, why would the USA need such an elaborate way to do that? it seems you've managed to force people into eternal poverty pretty well as it is
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2020-03-28T15:34:40 < doomba> jpa-: because currently - if you want out of poverty, all you have to do is make a significant sacrifice of a basic human need for a time.
2020-03-28T15:34:47 < boddax> time to print own money at home laser or ink printer ..even black/white is valid
2020-03-28T15:34:55 < doomba> the post-covid-19 measures they're bringing in will eliminate that.
2020-03-28T15:35:34 < doomba> the caste system will grow even stronger
2020-03-28T15:36:29  * karlp shrugs, sounded very retarded to me too,
2020-03-28T15:36:47 < BrainDamage> boddax: fun thing, many lasers printers print nearly invisible patterns to identify them
2020-03-28T15:36:58 < BrainDamage> in the case they are used to print money
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2020-03-28T15:37:21 < karlp> I love how doomba still believes that the poor can "just sacrifice a bit for a while, and they can be rich"
2020-03-28T15:37:31 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code
2020-03-28T15:37:33 < doomba> i'm not saying be rich karlp
2020-03-28T15:37:55 < doomba> they can break the cycle of poverty though
2020-03-28T15:38:39 < boddax> no production from farms etc.. money is only toilette paper we can print ourself
2020-03-28T15:40:22 < doomba> many of you will be down here soon
2020-03-28T15:40:31 < doomba> and we got ya.
2020-03-28T15:40:53  * doomba will teach karlp how to be happily impoverished
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2020-03-28T15:49:22 < englishman> karlp: my travel agent just refunded me like $5k for flights, hotels and car didn't even have to go thru insurance
2020-03-28T15:50:12 < karlp> yeah, I expect a lot of lawyer work over the next few months/years on someo of this :)
2020-03-28T15:54:53 < catphish> i don't know what's happening with my holiday, i've been told i can have credit towards any other holiday, but that sucks because i spent ages getting a good deal and booking more than a year in advance
2020-03-28T15:55:03 < catphish> hoping i can find something comparable
2020-03-28T15:55:33 < Cracki> maybe they'll agree to give you the same deal only later?
2020-03-28T15:56:42 < Cracki> stuff may be even cheaper soon because nobody dares to vacation anymore, or it may get expensive again when everyone needs to rush into vacation after the lockdown
2020-03-28T16:02:23 < PaulFertser> do you folks not buy tickets on your own and book via booking.com and airbnb and somesuch?
2020-03-28T16:03:04 < englishman> depends
2020-03-28T16:03:06 < catphish> depends what it is
2020-03-28T16:03:36 < catphish> i book package holidays through a large travel company (TUI), or i just book the cheapest flight and airbnb
2020-03-28T16:04:04 < catphish> depends if i want budget or luxury / all inclusive
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2020-03-28T16:06:08 < Steffanx> the entire situation sucks catphish ;)
2020-03-28T16:06:57 < Laurenceb> https://news.slashdot.org/story/20/03/27/2343212/school-quits-video-calls-after-naked-man-guessed-the-meeting-link
2020-03-28T16:07:04 < Laurenceb> zyp ?
2020-03-28T16:10:05 < aandrew> https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/26/norwegian-school-whereby
2020-03-28T16:10:06 < zyp> haha, saw that in norwegian news yesterday
2020-03-28T16:10:08 < aandrew> oh
2020-03-28T16:10:11 < aandrew> you posted that here
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2020-03-28T16:13:11 < zyp> PaulFertser, I always book flights and accomodation myself
2020-03-28T16:15:42 < doomba> Laurenceb: so... my mother says she's not leaving the house until there is a vaccine.
2020-03-28T16:16:04 < doomba> and i told her "HAHA you're a NEET now. am i gonna have to drive over there and put a box of tendies on your front steps?"
2020-03-28T16:16:10 < doomba> "what's a NEET?"
2020-03-28T16:16:10 < Laurenceb> lmao
2020-03-28T16:17:46 < zyp> NEET is orthogonal to not leaving the house though
2020-03-28T16:18:11 < Laurenceb> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-drones-council-stay-at-home-social-distancing-neath-port-talbot-a9430601.html
2020-03-28T16:19:24 < Laurenceb> http://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2020/03/27/5639888013226131346/1024x576_MP4_5639888013226131346.mp4
2020-03-28T16:19:31 < Laurenceb> my sides have left earth orbit
2020-03-28T16:19:42 < englishman> day 2 of quarantine. haven't left the house in 3 months
2020-03-28T16:19:53 < Laurenceb> >ywlts loicense to walk on the street enforcement drones
2020-03-28T16:24:26 < boddax> advanced toys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUVEbTK__mI
2020-03-28T16:24:37 < Laurenceb> holy shit 260 dead in bongland
2020-03-28T16:24:41 < Laurenceb> this is not going well
2020-03-28T16:25:20 < englishman> what is bongland
2020-03-28T16:25:49 < doomba> britain
2020-03-28T16:27:18 < doomba> bongland, or britbongistan is a 3rd world islamic state of the island formerly known as the United Kingdom.
2020-03-28T16:28:09 < boddax> UK is one of the best country in the world
2020-03-28T16:29:03 < Laurenceb> keeek
2020-03-28T16:31:05 < englishman> top 170
2020-03-28T16:33:07 < Laurenceb> https://i.warosu.org/data/lit/img/0132/87/1560419153570.jpg
2020-03-28T16:34:17 < Laurenceb> >sport and fitness award pepe
2020-03-28T16:34:19 < Laurenceb> my sides
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2020-03-28T16:43:54 < boddax> who work with easyeda? how to add name at the bus?
2020-03-28T16:46:36 < Steffanx> pass
2020-03-28T16:47:29 < boddax> Steffanx cae you working ?
2020-03-28T16:51:50 < Steffanx> uh what boddax?
2020-03-28T16:52:02 < boddax> altium?
2020-03-28T16:53:15 < Steffanx> kinda
2020-03-28T16:57:51 < boddax> tought OrCad Dos
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2020-03-28T18:59:39 < englishman> Laurenceb: what will you do when the nation runs out of HP sauce and you can't import any more from the netherlands because you don't have a trade agreement after brexit?
2020-03-28T19:02:53 < Laurenceb> die of coronavirus
2020-03-28T19:05:57 < Steffanx> What is HP sauce?
2020-03-28T19:07:36 < mawk> a british monstruosity
2020-03-28T19:07:58 < englishman> HP sauce is to the uk as vegemite is to australia
2020-03-28T19:08:42 < Steffanx> lol
2020-03-28T19:16:37 < BrainDamage> the uk has marmite anyway
2020-03-28T19:16:41 < BrainDamage> also bovril
2020-03-28T19:21:40 < Laurenceb> natex ftw
2020-03-28T19:33:05 < Laurenceb> https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=16055240&cid=59881582
2020-03-28T19:33:51 < Laurenceb> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Natex-Reduced-Salt-225-Pack/dp/B00ACM500G
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2020-03-28T20:12:30  * Laurenceb is confused
2020-03-28T20:12:32 < Laurenceb> https://www.findagrave.com
2020-03-28T20:12:36 < Laurenceb> is this a troll site?
2020-03-28T20:14:46 < Laurenceb> seems to claim ppl I know are alive and actually dead
2020-03-28T20:14:47 < Laurenceb> wtf
2020-03-28T20:15:30 < jadew> you don't need that in the UK
2020-03-28T20:16:24 < jadew> one of the first things your government talked about (roughly one month ago), when the ncov threat became apparent, was were to dig the mass graves
2020-03-28T20:16:46 < jadew> you are covered
2020-03-28T20:17:08 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-28T20:17:23 < Laurenceb> I'm sure there are trolls on there
2020-03-28T20:17:45 < Laurenceb> the logo font was making me think the whole thing was a larp, maybe not
2020-03-28T20:18:08 < Laurenceb> I think ppl are trollin their relatives with it
2020-03-28T20:18:41 < Laurenceb> ok just found the person I was looking for logged into faceberg atm
2020-03-28T20:18:43 < Laurenceb> bit tricky if they died in 2014...
2020-03-28T20:19:16 < Laurenceb> >when u larp as dead but then die irl from coronavirus
2020-03-28T20:19:53 < Laurenceb> >when ur gender identity is a decomposing corpse
2020-03-28T20:29:42 < mawk> who are you looking for
2020-03-28T20:30:48 < Laurenceb> secrit
2020-03-28T20:30:50 < Laurenceb> https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1270276-ben-garrison
2020-03-28T20:31:39 < Laurenceb>  *autistic screeching*
2020-03-28T20:32:47 < mawk> tell me
2020-03-28T20:44:56 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: hey :) Got some weird article https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogoh/2020/03/26/from-russia-with-love-putins-medical-supplies-gift-to-coronavirus-hit-italy-raises-questions/ but I can't find anything more reliable than that. La Stampa official website doesn't have anything related it seems.
2020-03-28T20:45:28 < Laurenceb> https://www.deviantart.com/juracan/art/Autistic-Screeching-Vaxxers-666904999
2020-03-28T20:50:03 < Cracki> PaulFertser, looks like a hit piece. russia bad etc. no specific claims in there.
2020-03-28T20:50:33 < Cracki> they don't like putin making friends. they want him to stand alone in a corner.
2020-03-28T20:51:10 < PaulFertser> Well, russia _is_ bad. And I do not expect Forbes to put out total bullshit, but in this case it's really weird, can't see any confirmation.
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2020-03-28T20:51:36 < Cracki> look into the author
2020-03-28T20:52:15 < Cracki> > struggles to camouflage his distress
2020-03-28T20:52:19 < Cracki> putin: blank face
2020-03-28T20:54:01 < Cracki> the italian "source" is likely someone who doesn't like the italian prime minister
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2020-03-28T20:56:25 < PaulFertser> I hoped there's more info in Italian press, but I can't read it, hence asking.
2020-03-28T20:56:39 < Cracki> boddax is italian?
2020-03-28T20:56:46 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb: is that you?
2020-03-28T20:57:12 < Laurenceb> tomeaton17: nah
2020-03-28T20:57:15 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: the linked article is paywalled
2020-03-28T20:57:43 < tomeaton17> my orbital sides
2020-03-28T20:57:49 < tomeaton17> did I do it right?
2020-03-28T20:57:55 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: hm, probably anything else on the topic that's easy to find knowing the language?
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2020-03-28T21:00:05 < Cracki> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-russia-eu/russian-aid-to-italy-leaves-eu-exposed-idUSKBN21D28K
2020-03-28T21:01:24 < PaulFertser> Cracki: btw, I've just read through a document prepared by russian military doctors re covid-19, it's really elaborate and sane, with plenty of links to WHO, other reputable sources, research articles etc.
2020-03-28T21:02:21 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: I'm struggling to find another source
2020-03-28T21:02:33 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: thank you for trying!
2020-03-28T21:02:41 < PaulFertser> So I conclude it's all bullshit.
2020-03-28T21:03:16 < Cracki> what can you find out about the political alignment of that italian paper? they may have just invented their source, or the source voices an opinion founded on hate
2020-03-28T21:03:33 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: it would be interesting to eventually learn if this russian help was of any help in the end
2020-03-28T21:05:03 < BrainDamage> Cracki: it's a mixed bag, historically it has shifted his political position several times, so I cannot tell you for sure
2020-03-28T21:05:21 < Cracki> ah, I know the kind
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2020-03-28T21:11:29 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: the only negative news that I can find re: russian that aren't internal problems that you have, is that your country is conducing a misinformation caimpaign online on the virus being synthetic made to solve our elder population and pension crysis
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2020-03-28T21:11:46 < Steffanx> crisis.
2020-03-28T21:12:44 < Cracki> do they blame bill gates for it? his fingerprints are on a lot of stuff related to this
2020-03-28T21:13:03 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: heh, ok
2020-03-28T21:13:24 < Cracki> who would have to gain from culling the undead
2020-03-28T21:13:35 < BrainDamage> the state finances, a lot
2020-03-28T21:13:52 < BrainDamage> a great part of our spending budget goes to pensions
2020-03-28T21:14:23 < BrainDamage> this because in the 80s they recklessly allowed people to go in pension with only 20 years of work, and still have a tolerable wage
2020-03-28T21:14:26 < Cracki> there's no way to blame italians specifically. this thing started in china and spreads worldwide
2020-03-28T21:14:50 < Cracki> very forward thinking of them
2020-03-28T21:15:03 < BrainDamage> I agree it's not plausible, but that doesn't change that the caimpaign exists
2020-03-28T21:15:23 < BrainDamage> and most of the network traffic seems to originate from russia
2020-03-28T21:15:31 < BrainDamage> posting in italian forums
2020-03-28T21:15:43 < Cracki> no matter who or what caused it, the effects are there. either mourn the dead or celebrate the money, or both
2020-03-28T21:16:03 < Cracki> russian trolls I'm sure
2020-03-28T21:16:13 < Cracki> they love to be the big bad meanie
2020-03-28T21:16:24 < BrainDamage> exactly, to all people who talk about the conspiracy I simply reply that it's irrelevant to the crisis at hand
2020-03-28T21:16:37 < BrainDamage> natural or not it's still there and we have to deal with it
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2020-03-28T21:17:31 < Cracki> are they still beating the "masks don't work" drum? because they work, and old ppl should be given masks preferentially
2020-03-28T21:18:16 < BrainDamage> not here at least
2020-03-28T21:18:24 < boddax_> PROBLEM IS AFTER 1 MONTH CANNOT BUY MASK ANYWHERE HERE 
2020-03-28T21:18:31 < BrainDamage> ^
2020-03-28T21:18:38 < boddax_> look like someone hiding
2020-03-28T21:18:49 < rajkosto> i can, they are just 10x the price they used to be
2020-03-28T21:19:06 < Cracki> my mind just fused your nicks into "bondage"
2020-03-28T21:19:15 < BrainDamage> I'm not even mad
2020-03-28T21:19:23 < Cracki> can't buy TP either :D
2020-03-28T21:19:30 < Steffanx> Dutchland just recall 600.000 masks from the hospitals because there were issues with em. OOPS
2020-03-28T21:19:30 < BrainDamage> TP is fine here
2020-03-28T21:19:33 < Steffanx> *recalled
2020-03-28T21:19:44 < Steffanx> Gotta love china-quality
2020-03-28T21:20:02 < BrainDamage> I have one mask that my neighbour gifted me
2020-03-28T21:20:20 < rajkosto> they are single use
2020-03-28T21:20:22 < BrainDamage> but the wear and tear is showing, I might resort to diy one myself
2020-03-28T21:20:43 < BrainDamage> rajkosto: yes, I am aware, but a used mask is still better than no mask
2020-03-28T21:20:54 < BrainDamage> just diminishing effectiveness
2020-03-28T21:20:58 < Steffanx> You use one when you go outside?
2020-03-28T21:21:01 < rajkosto> not if its got germs on it
2020-03-28T21:21:09 < rajkosto> that you are inhaling continuously
2020-03-28T21:21:26 < BrainDamage> it's a virus, not germs, it doesn't replicate on the mask
2020-03-28T21:21:40 < boddax_> i have one too and washed many times alredy
2020-03-28T21:21:46 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: yes
2020-03-28T21:21:55 < rajkosto> doesnt replicate but can be stuck there
2020-03-28T21:21:58 < rajkosto> just waiting to be inhaled
2020-03-28T21:22:01 < boddax_> con pass also flies now 
2020-03-28T21:22:03 < Steffanx> does everyone in italy do that nowadays or .. ?
2020-03-28T21:22:21 < BrainDamage> rajkosto: while that's true, I just wait several days between uses
2020-03-28T21:22:30 < rajkosto> do you wait 9 days
2020-03-28T21:22:37 < BrainDamage> more than a week
2020-03-28T21:22:42 < BrainDamage> so yes
2020-03-28T21:22:45 < rajkosto> what if you spray alcohol on them
2020-03-28T21:22:57 < boddax_> geeting loose
2020-03-28T21:23:05 < Cracki> drown it in chlorine or alcohol maybe
2020-03-28T21:23:07 < BrainDamage> alcohol would kill it, but it'd also severely damage it
2020-03-28T21:23:18 < Cracki> bake it maybe
2020-03-28T21:23:22 < PaulFertser> What if you put it into freezer?
2020-03-28T21:23:37 < rajkosto> virus probably survives freezer but not 100oC bake
2020-03-28T21:23:41 < boddax_> uv lamps for eprom eraser
2020-03-28T21:23:48 < Cracki> I think freezing virus samples is a perfect way to preserve them
2020-03-28T21:23:50 < rajkosto> thats a good idea actualy
2020-03-28T21:23:55 < BrainDamage> uv lamp would have penetration problems
2020-03-28T21:23:57 < rajkosto> i have UV lamps for PCB masks
2020-03-28T21:24:09 < BrainDamage> you can only sterilize the surface layer
2020-03-28T21:24:19 < rajkosto> arent the masks kinda transparent
2020-03-28T21:24:20 < BrainDamage> while most of the filter effect comes from the inner
2020-03-28T21:24:43 < rajkosto> the cheap ones that they sell anyway
2020-03-28T21:25:00 < BrainDamage> mine doesn't, it's a ffp2
2020-03-28T21:25:23 < rajkosto> only see people wearing cheap surgical masks
2020-03-28T21:25:28 < rajkosto> cant find anything better
2020-03-28T21:25:42 < boddax_> anyway i think its more easy to take from touching mall foods than inhale from air
2020-03-28T21:25:51 < rajkosto> wash all your mall foods
2020-03-28T21:26:01 < BrainDamage> just cook them
2020-03-28T21:26:03 < boddax_> right now people stay away each from other
2020-03-28T21:26:17 < BrainDamage> and discard the boxes
2020-03-28T21:26:21 < boddax_> i mean from plastic packages
2020-03-28T21:26:29 < rajkosto> they "stay away from each other" but can still cough behind your back
2020-03-28T21:26:37 < rajkosto> or cough into the air you then walk into
2020-03-28T21:26:45 < Cracki> aerosol just sits there. there is no ventilation.
2020-03-28T21:27:05 < BrainDamage> nope, the average droplet size has negative buoyancy
2020-03-28T21:27:17 < BrainDamage> it falls down after a minute or so
2020-03-28T21:27:42 < BrainDamage> more than the plastic packages it's other objects that you touch fwiw
2020-03-28T21:27:48 < BrainDamage> like the shopping cart handle
2020-03-28T21:27:54 < BrainDamage> which is touched by erryone
2020-03-28T21:28:00 < rajkosto> yeah well
2020-03-28T21:28:06 < rajkosto> spray alcohol sanitizer on your hands after that
2020-03-28T21:28:08 < rajkosto> and wash all the things you buy
2020-03-28T21:28:30 < BrainDamage> no, I clean the shopping cart with alcohol
2020-03-28T21:28:43 < BrainDamage> it's simpler
2020-03-28T21:28:45 < rajkosto> cuz someone can sneeze at them
2020-03-28T21:28:55 < rajkosto> on the shelves
2020-03-28T21:29:07 < Cracki> disinfect all the people stepping too close
2020-03-28T21:29:08 < Laurenceb> I have masks shipping... maybe
2020-03-28T21:29:11 < BrainDamage> the probability there is remote
2020-03-28T21:29:13 < Laurenceb> from before ebay b& them
2020-03-28T21:30:34 < PaulFertser> They say other coronaviruses survive at -20 C for up to two years :)
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2020-03-28T21:35:11 < englishman> BrainDamage: what if you stick a plastic bag over your head and flood it with cheap trimix using positive pressure to keep the wu flu out
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2020-03-28T21:35:51 < englishman> just add a wetsuit and flippers
2020-03-28T21:36:12 < mawk> Cracki: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyY96Hd6rBQ
2020-03-28T21:36:16 < BrainDamage> I have already a wetsuit andd flippers >.>
2020-03-28T21:36:20 < mawk> you hear the muezzin calling in big french cities
2020-03-28T21:36:27 < BrainDamage> and a diving regulator
2020-03-28T21:36:43 < mawk> I have them too, but filling bottles yourself is pretty dangerous
2020-03-28T21:36:47 < Cracki> I weep for france
2020-03-28T21:37:02 < mawk> like if some oil leaks in it you rather want to get the virus I guess
2020-03-28T21:37:31 < englishman> is diving gas sterilized or could the virus survive in your tank
2020-03-28T21:37:46 < BrainDamage> yes, no way in hell I'd pressurize the tank myself
2020-03-28T21:37:49 < mawk> just filtered I guess
2020-03-28T21:37:52 < mawk> not sterilized
2020-03-28T21:37:56 < mawk> but if the air is bad you smell it
2020-03-28T21:37:57 < BrainDamage> also, I have no tanks, I usually just rent them
2020-03-28T21:38:01 < mawk> and don't use the tank
2020-03-28T21:38:26 < englishman> you could also use a huge plastic water bottle as a helmet and flood it with gas
2020-03-28T21:38:43 < mawk> MEOPA gas for extra laugh
2020-03-28T21:38:59 < BrainDamage> maintaining constant positive pressure would be a waste of gas
2020-03-28T21:39:06 < BrainDamage> if you keep it unsealed
2020-03-28T21:39:12 < englishman> we are talking about your life here
2020-03-28T21:39:39 < BrainDamage> well, more like it'd be useless wrt autonomy
2020-03-28T21:40:00 < BrainDamage> a 15L tank lasts me about 1h
2020-03-28T21:40:09 < englishman> just saying. If there is a mask shortage, you could switch to scuba tanks
2020-03-28T21:40:10 < mawk> but under water
2020-03-28T21:40:12 < mawk> BrainDamage: 
2020-03-28T21:40:16 < mawk> on the surface it lasts way longer
2020-03-28T21:40:19 < englishman> there is no scuba tank shortage afaik
2020-03-28T21:40:20 < BrainDamage> true, the pressure is higher
2020-03-28T21:40:42 < machinehum2>  /join #rust
2020-03-28T21:40:45 < BrainDamage> the pressure difference would be at best 2 atm higher
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2020-03-28T21:40:57 < BrainDamage> since I don't dive deeper than 18m
2020-03-28T21:40:59 < machinehum> Excuse me
2020-03-28T21:41:25 < englishman> you could also flood your apartment with diving gas
2020-03-28T21:41:26 < BrainDamage> so the consumption rate would be 1/3rd
2020-03-28T21:41:55 < englishman> the pressure seal should also keep the doors sealed against looters/mormons
2020-03-28T21:42:09 < qyx> simply electrolyse potting water in your apartment
2020-03-28T21:42:11 < englishman> if they open inwards
2020-03-28T21:43:31 < BrainDamage> a bag tied on your head with a little airflow to prevent fogging should work
2020-03-28T21:43:39 < BrainDamage> and a separate regulator for breathing
2020-03-28T21:43:44 < englishman> perfect. and stylish
2020-03-28T21:43:55 < BrainDamage> or a fish bowl
2020-03-28T21:44:14 < englishman> is there a space suit shortage
2020-03-28T21:45:14 < BrainDamage> went to the doctor the other day to fetch a recipe for my parents, the nurse was dressed in a full body tyvek suit
2020-03-28T21:45:29 < BrainDamage> looked like something out a csi episode
2020-03-28T21:45:35 < englishman> like a fedex package
2020-03-28T21:48:04 < mawk> I did 40 meters with the nitrox mix
2020-03-28T21:48:07 < mawk> but I stopped doing it
2020-03-28T21:48:26 < mawk> because either spend all money to go on a paradisiac island, or dive into a swimming pool
2020-03-28T21:48:34 < mawk> and I'm poor, and I've seen the swimming pool enough times
2020-03-28T21:48:41 < mawk> or maybe dive off the britanny coast but I hate ocld
2020-03-28T21:48:41 < BrainDamage> there's ok places to swim to here
2020-03-28T21:48:44 < mawk> cold*
2020-03-28T21:49:05 < BrainDamage> but after a while they get monotonous
2020-03-28T21:49:46 < englishman> chatting on irc is much more interesting
2020-03-28T21:49:50 < mawk> yeah
2020-03-28T21:49:52 < mawk> I agree
2020-03-28T21:50:28 < englishman> if I starve the cats a little bit they eat all the flies
2020-03-28T21:50:57 < BrainDamage> the main problem for me is not so much the places as finding other people who want to dive as well
2020-03-28T21:51:10 < BrainDamage> because diving alone not only is boring as fuck, it's also dangerous
2020-03-28T21:57:22 < Cracki> local police and fire fighters maybe?
2020-03-28T21:58:04 < Cracki> those ppl usually have to dive for corpses and discarded weapons and safes dumped into rivers
2020-03-28T22:13:48 < bitmask> wheres muh covid monies
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2020-03-28T23:15:39 < qyx> how do you charge a backup supercap, diode + R?
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2020-03-28T23:19:42 < Thorn> good question, I've seen circuits with a couple of series diodes to drop the voltage but what about Vf of a diode when the current is very low (at the end of charging)? it should go to 0 basically
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2020-03-28T23:33:06 < mawk> hm
2020-03-28T23:33:21 < mawk> yeah
2020-03-28T23:33:32 < mawk> well, define very low
2020-03-28T23:33:34 < mawk> it's exponential, after all
2020-03-28T23:33:45 < mawk> a "little" current will still give ~Vf
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2020-03-28T23:46:20 < Steffanx> Hm
2020-03-28T23:48:24 < qyx> I have a 5V source, buck it to 3V3
2020-03-28T23:48:37 < qyx> and I need a few seconds backup for the whole circuit
2020-03-28T23:48:47 < qyx> the best would be to have buck with 2 inputs
2020-03-28T23:49:45 < mawk> I saw a flag "van zorgwerkers we hou vol, we staan met jullie" or something
2020-03-28T23:49:47 < qyx> hm, probably I could connect the supercap to the buck input with a mosfet
2020-03-28T23:49:51 < mawk> can't remember the order of words
2020-03-28T23:50:33 < Thorn> maybe there're cheap ORing controllers, not sure what the lowest price level for those is
2020-03-28T23:51:32 < qyx> LTC4041
2020-03-28T23:52:02 < qyx> not that cheap
2020-03-28T23:52:41 < qyx> basically theres plenty of headroom from 5V to 3V3
2020-03-28T23:52:49 < qyx> so I could tolerate some Vf
2020-03-28T23:53:01 < qyx> but that would be non-pro
2020-03-28T23:53:26 < qyx> it would limit the usable energy in the cap too
2020-03-28T23:55:21 < Thorn> Italian death metal https://vk.com/rus_dark_com?w=wall-86395725_11626
2020-03-28T23:56:45 < qyx> maybe a simple inrush current limiter works, TPS2595
2020-03-28T23:59:23 < qyx> it doesn't disconnect reverse current :S
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2020-03-29T00:00:28 < BrainDamage> qyx: pmos to gnd?
2020-03-29T00:01:07 < BrainDamage> oh nvm, I was scrolledd up, you already said it
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2020-03-29T00:10:52 < qyx> dual LM66100 should be enough
2020-03-29T00:11:02 < qyx> and not even expensive
2020-03-29T00:23:38 < qyx> The shortcoming of the previous implementation happens when both input voltages are the same for a long
2020-03-29T00:23:41 < qyx> period of time, then both devices will completely turn off, powering down the output load.
2020-03-29T00:23:53 < qyx> that would definitely be the case when the cap charges
2020-03-29T00:34:53 < doomba> This is a firmware update for version TP-HandSanitizer-HotPocket. Mosquitos spread covid-19. NPCs, purchase all of the mosquito repellent now.
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2020-03-29T00:37:30 < Cracki> must have missed the hot pocket thing.
2020-03-29T00:37:49 < doomba> maybe the hotpocket part was murica only
2020-03-29T00:38:02 < doomba> kebabs in merkelstan?
2020-03-29T00:38:18 < Cracki> sounds equivalent
2020-03-29T00:38:27 < Cracki> hotpockets are hot? is that it?
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2020-03-29T00:46:16 < aandrew> https://happymag.tv/uranus-has-started-leaking-gas-nasa-scientists-confirm/
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2020-03-29T00:48:05 < Cracki> gaymag.tv
2020-03-29T00:50:09 < doomba> WHOIS results for gaymag.tv - Registrant Name: Laurence Bong
2020-03-29T00:52:39 < specing> lol
2020-03-29T00:54:08 < Cracki> sound meter from uni-t... thirteen bucks. I wonder if that can pick up anything. they claim 1.5 dB accuracy
2020-03-29T00:59:21 < jly> gaypiss
2020-03-29T01:05:35 < karlp> Thorn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irgaoIU9dV0 is perhaps better, less effort with the vk logins for the rest of us.
2020-03-29T01:06:42 < karlp> if we're doing italo though... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHsm5UDdo7M
2020-03-29T01:07:49 < qyx> this shoudl work https://i.imgur.com/QMVmuzK.png
2020-03-29T01:08:42  * karlp has a hard time looking at the two caps lined up a divider
2020-03-29T01:09:43 < karlp> making progress shoving stuff into the new box here:  https://bin.jvnv.net/file/4ycG9.png
2020-03-29T01:12:09 < jly> i like  your box karl
2020-03-29T01:12:15 < qyx> whats wrong with two caps and a divider?
2020-03-29T01:12:47 < qyx> is karlp a freecad pro now?
2020-03-29T01:13:09 < jly> then it'll be procad
2020-03-29T01:13:19 < karlp> karl is a fucking horror show at 3d 
2020-03-29T01:13:36 < qyx> also he is using adwaita theme
2020-03-29T01:13:43 < karlp> but I can email bud and say, hey chaps, do you have a step file?
2020-03-29T01:14:05 < karlp> and he can export from kicad and he foudn the bits that let hime rotate and translate separate objects to line them up in freecad.
2020-03-29T01:14:09 < qyx> why are those USB-A conenctors protruding so much?
2020-03-29T01:14:30 < karlp> still reallllly unhappy with the process of dxf import into kicad into putting edge cuts and drill holes
2020-03-29T01:14:44 < karlp> well, the dual front ones, I'm considering that yeah, I guess they should end up flush
2020-03-29T01:15:06 < qyx> and the chaining one?
2020-03-29T01:15:07 < karlp> the "right" hand "downstream" side, I've wanted sticking out to make sure that it plugs together properly.
2020-03-29T01:15:27  * karlp isn't sure how much pro he can ge tin freecad to make two models and then try and mate them :)
2020-03-29T01:15:28 < qyx> if they plug exactly-properly, it would be harder to break them
2020-03-29T01:15:36 < qyx> because the box won't allow it
2020-03-29T01:15:41 < karlp> but _should_ be possible to do correctly, yes.
2020-03-29T01:16:50 < karlp> honestly, I'd be happy to get the rest of it right first go
2020-03-29T01:17:07 < karlp> if I get mating pcbs with boxes with adjacent boxes right first go, that would be well above and beyond
2020-03-29T01:19:12 < ds2> why is it so hard for people to track inventory
2020-03-29T01:19:41 < ds2> if amazon can get their act together, why can't others....#@$@#$@!
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2020-03-29T01:27:20 < karlp> they tracked it just fine,
2020-03-29T01:27:33 < karlp> it was just easier to say "we lost it sorry" rather t  han "we sold your shit to someone else"
2020-03-29T01:28:09 < karlp> qyx: mixing freecad and qcad and kicad is a trainwreck
2020-03-29T01:30:02 < qyx> heh
2020-03-29T01:30:10 < doomba> "sorry. your 100lbs of dried pinto beans were lost in shipment." aka "peter thiel needed them for his compound."
2020-03-29T01:30:39 < karlp> qyx: apparently freecad can do the thigns i'm doing in 2d qcad, but I haven't learnt that yet :)
2020-03-29T01:31:18 < qyx> I was told the same
2020-03-29T01:31:21 < doomba> "elon needed those beans for his spacex slaves. but hey cheer up. you can watch the launch videos to keep your mind off the fact that you're starving."
2020-03-29T01:31:26 < qyx> but i was lazy to investigate it further
2020-03-29T01:34:15 < ds2> karlp: in the last 12 months I keep running into - computer says it is online but there is none on the shelf...this is across multiple venders... right now it is even worse
2020-03-29T01:34:47 < karlp> yeah, so I have dxf and step and pdf from bud, used the dxf to make a simplified image to import to kicad, then really shittily, unhappily made things in kicad line up with the drawings imported, then export step to freecad and combine with bud step file for the box and translate and rotate and check it's all still right.
2020-03-29T01:34:48 < ds2> the employees just say... it shows one... better call and get someone to check rather then fix their system
2020-03-29T01:35:02 < karlp> but hey, way fucking better than buying a box and sittin gthere with calipers and hoping
2020-03-29T01:35:05 < ds2> karlp: are you still using qcad?
2020-03-29T01:35:35 < karlp> out of librecad and qcad, both of which were installable easily, qcad worked, librecad didn't so... yeah, 
2020-03-29T01:35:42 < karlp> no-ones told me anything else to use.
2020-03-29T01:36:09 < karlp> the licensing split looks ugly, but I'm just not getting into another world of shit
2020-03-29T01:36:14 < ds2> thought qcad free version is so obsolete...didn't the free side get renamed to librecad?
2020-03-29T01:36:34 < ds2> what platform and do you need 3D?
2020-03-29T01:38:37 < ds2> freecad is painfully slow
2020-03-29T01:40:28 < karlp> well, I'm using a qcad 3.24.2.6 from mar 2020, so apparenrtlty I'm just missing features from a "pro" version
2020-03-29T01:40:50 < karlp> I don't notice freecad 0.18 being slow, but I don't know that I'm doing anything that requires anything
2020-03-29T01:41:00 < karlp> I just have .steps that I want to view and mix and match
2020-03-29T01:41:04 < karlp> and maybe measure on
2020-03-29T01:41:24 < ds2> I tried importing PCB models into freecad and it took minutes
2020-03-29T01:41:41 < ds2> compared to other packages on the same system which took seconds
2020-03-29T01:41:45 < karlp> hrm, mine was not really particularly noticable
2020-03-29T01:41:57 < karlp> pcb models from where?
2020-03-29T01:42:10 < ds2> OrCAD/Allegro STEP exports
2020-03-29T01:42:14 < karlp> I'm on nightly kicad too, I seem to recall hearing that step model export is more advanced now?
2020-03-29T01:42:16  * karlp shrugs
2020-03-29T01:42:48 < ds2> except for the simpliest Eagle enm exports, it is painful but freecad is the only free enm reader/translator :(
2020-03-29T01:44:06 < jly> quarantine https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/rWl948E1/brd.png
2020-03-29T01:44:10 < jly> just me and my friend.
2020-03-29T01:44:46 < Steffanx> Hi jly
2020-03-29T01:45:40 < jly> hi sir
2020-03-29T01:46:17 < Steffanx> And gn
2020-03-29T01:46:59 < jly> o//
2020-03-29T01:52:29 < qyx> https://i.imgur.com/ve7hqi3.png I am not entirely sure where to put USB and ETH phy
2020-03-29T01:53:28 < Ultrasauce> is that centre mounting hole negotiable?
2020-03-29T01:53:31 < Ultrasauce> seems a bit excessive
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2020-03-29T01:54:37 < qyx> which one is centre?
2020-03-29T01:54:50 < Ultrasauce> by c28
2020-03-29T01:54:52 < qyx> the three smaller can be moved a bit
2020-03-29T01:55:03 < qyx> yes
2020-03-29T01:56:49 < Zilenc3> I have a NUCLEO-F746ZG and I've installed CubeIDE. WhenI plug into the nucleo I don't see it being registered as a device under device manager. What should I take a look at? and by plug in, I mean to the usb micro.
2020-03-29T01:58:59 < Zilenc3> It's not registering as an unknown device either, just delivering power that's all
2020-03-29T01:59:01 < qyx> wrong hole.
2020-03-29T01:59:39 < qyx> it won't be registered until you flash it with a suitable firmware, eg. the one you will make
2020-03-29T01:59:52 < qyx> you have to use the stlink's USB port (mini-b)
2020-03-29T02:00:39 < qyx> wait what
2020-03-29T02:01:13 < Zilenc3> I only have micro-b
2020-03-29T02:01:24 < karlp> yeah, micros both sides now qyx :)
2020-03-29T02:01:36 < karlp> mini is deprecated remember, we'v ebeen saying that for years :)
2020-03-29T02:02:09 < karlp> so Zilenc3, which port are you plugged into?
2020-03-29T02:02:21 < Zilenc3> CN1, ST-Link
2020-03-29T02:02:47 < qyx> such nastiness, two micro-b
2020-03-29T02:02:57 < karlp> and it'ðs plugged in to the computer too? :) (just checking)
2020-03-29T02:03:08 < Zilenc3> It's not two micro-b's the other is something different. Squareish
2020-03-29T02:03:17 < Zilenc3> Yup LD4 is blinking red
2020-03-29T02:03:24 < karlp> micro a-b (both host and device)
2020-03-29T02:03:44 < Zilenc3> Ah
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2020-03-29T02:06:41 < Zilenc3> It has worked in the past, but I have been moving it around in suitcases without ESD bags. The main board isn't powered FYI. 
2020-03-29T02:06:58 < qyx> missing jumper?
2020-03-29T02:06:59 < Zilenc3> If I plug in an arduino, then power the arduino the main board is powered
2020-03-29T02:07:41 < Zilenc3> JP3 is on U5V
2020-03-29T02:07:52 < Zilenc3> JP4 is on
2020-03-29T02:07:58 < qyx> and JP5?
2020-03-29T02:08:27 < Zilenc3> JP5, 6, 7 on, CN4(both) on
2020-03-29T02:08:48 < qyx> then idk
2020-03-29T02:08:50 < Zilenc3> JP1 off
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2020-03-29T02:14:39 < rajkosto> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUJKhXsXYAE5j4D?format=jpg&name=medium
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2020-03-29T05:26:47 < aandrew> lol I just realized one of the aliexpress stores I ordered from is "nosferatu store"
2020-03-29T05:27:11 < aandrew> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/834273
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2020-03-29T06:16:11 < jly> aandrew: are you a pot smoker
2020-03-29T06:23:36 < aandrew> no
2020-03-29T06:23:46 < aandrew> it was for security camera lenses
2020-03-29T06:24:22 < Thorn> motherfucking stm32cubeide wiped my project directory when I tried to create a project there
2020-03-29T06:24:49 < Thorn> thankfully I already pushed the code to a gitlab but there were also some pdf files etc. there
2020-03-29T06:26:16 < Cracki> awesome. good to know it's capable of that.
2020-03-29T06:26:31 < Cracki> haven't had trouble with the truestudio preincarnation yet
2020-03-29T06:27:25 < Thorn> and it doesn't build my project that I imported into it either
2020-03-29T06:28:10 < jly> Thorn: i used an stm32cube
2020-03-29T06:28:41 < jly> into the keil mdk5
2020-03-29T06:29:25 < jly> fucking 1EDGE 2EDGE mate lol
2020-03-29T06:50:28 < Cracki> I did have that problem too with cubeide. it wouldn't import my truestudio shit and build it
2020-03-29T06:50:36 < Cracki> which is silly, it's just a rebrand
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2020-03-29T08:15:43 < upgrdman> gcc pros: i want to make a library (a DLL) that itself uses another library (a DLL) but I want to statically link in that other library. is that possible if i only have that other library in the form of a dll+lib file intended for dynamic linking?
2020-03-29T08:19:56 < jpa-> not easily at least
2020-03-29T08:20:24 < jpa-> and because of DLLMain etc. mechanisms, in general case it is not possible transparently
2020-03-29T08:42:54 < Thorn> gcc and dll/lib?
2020-03-29T08:43:17 < Thorn> not .so/.a?
2020-03-29T08:54:52 < jpa-> Thorn: mingw probably
2020-03-29T09:02:49 < boddax> MINGW or MXE or MSYS64 ?
2020-03-29T09:03:14 < upgrdman> msys2, which i think uses mingw-w64?
2020-03-29T09:08:38 < boddax> yes lots of bug and compiling probs
2020-03-29T09:08:53 < boddax> better cross compile from linux
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2020-03-29T09:18:07 < PaulFertser> boddax: compiling under msys2 is pretty close to cross-compiling compiling, not problematic.
2020-03-29T09:23:30 < boddax> cross compile from linux is also faster
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2020-03-29T10:16:42 < boddax> kakamir is not aroud
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2020-03-29T10:23:26 < PaulFertser> upgrdman__: have you considered https://www.drdobbs.com/packing-dlls-in-your-exe/184416443 ?
2020-03-29T10:25:24 < PaulFertser> Oh, even better, https://github.com/fancycode/MemoryModule
2020-03-29T10:28:38 < PaulFertser> (the latter seems to be fully reimplementing the windows dynamic linker)
2020-03-29T10:33:46 < PaulFertser> btw, what would be beneficial in packing a DLL inside, why bother?
2020-03-29T10:41:56 < upgrdman__> PaulFertser, im just hoping to keep things cleaner. to learn JNI, im writing a simple library to interface java with the ftdi d2xx library (yes, i know many exist. im using this as a learning experience.) and it would be nice if my library was just 1 dll file instead of 2 (or instead of 1 + "install the driver on your own")
2020-03-29T10:45:14 < upgrdman__> and while the d2xx library is offered as both static and dynamic, gcc can't link the .lib file. googling reveals that im not alone.
2020-03-29T10:45:26 < upgrdman__> ftdi docs only recommends visual studio
2020-03-29T10:45:58 < upgrdman__> so... i might be lazy and just compile my lib with vs. but it'd be nice to stick with msys2/gcc if there was a clean way to do that.
2020-03-29T10:48:25 < boddax> i think there mingw pyrhon lib talking to ftdi
2020-03-29T10:49:16 < boddax> *python
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2020-03-29T10:59:30 < PaulFertser> upgrdman__: aha, so you have a full static library, so no ftdi dll is involved, you're asking about linking a real static library into a DLL, I see, so both I and jpa- misunderstood your real question.
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2020-03-29T11:13:48 < PaulFertser> upgrdman__: but static library is like an object file, so why is linking a static library into DLL can be problematic? What errors do you get?
2020-03-29T11:14:20 < upgrdman__> PaulFertser, that's the problem. if i use the static version of d2xx, it wont compile with gcc. i have to compile with visual studio.
2020-03-29T11:14:42 < upgrdman__> so if i want to use gcc, i have to use the dynamic version of d2xx
2020-03-29T11:16:08 < PaulFertser> upgrdman__: I wonder what does gcc say
2020-03-29T11:16:40 < PaulFertser> upgrdman__: and are you using --whole-archive linker option?
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2020-03-29T11:31:37 < upgrdman> anyone know what song is playing here? shazam doesn't know :(  https://youtu.be/hL6u5eWRBXM?t=98
2020-03-29T11:41:47 < AndrevS> sonny, I've got no clue 
2020-03-29T11:41:53 < AndrevS> n=r*
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2020-03-29T12:12:48 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: my internet search suggests me GNU ld should have no issues statically linking external libraries in a DLL when you use --whole-archive option.
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2020-03-29T12:47:40 < boddax> share your project upgradman :P
2020-03-29T12:49:32 < upgrdman_> PaulFertser, will look into it. thanks
2020-03-29T12:51:03 < upgrdman_> boddax, its not done yet. but i've been spending a lot of time improving TelemetryViewer. i'd like to add support for ftdi's d2xx and d3xx api's. with d2xx fifo mode, i can already get ~360Mbps reliably. after more optimization work, i hope i can visualize that much data (but doubt it)
2020-03-29T12:51:23 < upgrdman_> i may end up going full autism and explore compute shaders, etc.
2020-03-29T12:52:31 < upgrdman_> i'm curious if I can visualize a couple Gbps of live data. it would probably require a high end gpu, but we'll see
2020-03-29T12:53:19 < upgrdman_> end goal is to make an 8ch usb3 oscope, with 16ch log anal. not sure if i'll ever get there, but it'll be fun trying.
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2020-03-29T14:15:32 < boddax> upgradman_  wow ..big project can you show a preview ?
2020-03-29T14:16:04 < boddax> you mean constellation and eyes data ?
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2020-03-29T14:28:22 < upgrdman> boddax, http://farrellf.com/TelemetryViewer/
2020-03-29T14:30:12 < upgrdman> d2xx and d3xx are not implemented yet. next version will have some improvements, and next next version will probably support d2xx/triggering/etc.
2020-03-29T14:31:54 < upgrdman> things done so far, but not released yet: webcam support https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RrMwODF1F0 and lots of small performance improvements and refactoring
2020-03-29T14:32:17 < upgrdman> focusing on UX right now
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2020-03-29T15:10:25 < boddax> yup big job but not got whats the source of signal
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2020-03-29T16:07:26 < tcth> sup o/
2020-03-29T16:08:11 < zyp> upgrdman_, cool stuff, so it's easily configurable for arbitrary signals?
2020-03-29T16:08:42 < tcth> upgrdman_, nice!
2020-03-29T16:08:51 < zyp> can it do multiple data sources at different data rates too?
2020-03-29T16:13:39 < tcth> upgrdman_, that project really grew on you, right? :D 
2020-03-29T16:13:44 < tcth> upgrdman_, I remember when you started it all those years ago
2020-03-29T16:13:48 < tcth> upgrdman_, it´s nice to see the progress!
2020-03-29T16:13:56 < tcth> if only it wouldn´t be java </rant>  :p
2020-03-29T16:14:14 < upgrdman_> zyp, it currently only supports receiving data from one source, but i have been thinking about supporting multiple simultaneous sources
2020-03-29T16:14:37 < upgrdman_> and ya its really easy to configure for csv or binary data
2020-03-29T16:15:08 < upgrdman_> download the jar, and connnect to the "test" port to play around
2020-03-29T16:15:23 < upgrdman_> tcth, ya
2020-03-29T16:20:10 < aandrew> morning chatters
2020-03-29T16:20:14 < tcth> hi
2020-03-29T16:20:16 < aandrew> another beautiful day in quarantine
2020-03-29T16:20:21 < tcth> how´s mother russia?
2020-03-29T16:20:30 < aandrew> you're thinking PaulFertser, I'm in Canada
2020-03-29T16:20:35 < tcth> true.
2020-03-29T16:20:40 < tcth> how´s mother canada?
2020-03-29T16:21:03 < aandrew> although my paternal grandmother was Russian. I didn't know until about 15y after she died that she spoke fluent Russian
2020-03-29T16:21:27 < aandrew> it's canada. we have a joke of a government making half measures 
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2020-03-29T16:23:19 < Ultrasauce> and of course trying to achieve absolute power in the process
2020-03-29T16:23:54 < aandrew> yep. Ultrasauce: you're Canadian?
2020-03-29T16:24:00 < Ultrasauce> yes
2020-03-29T16:30:48 < Steffanx> which government doesnt get blame for taking half measurements atm?
2020-03-29T16:30:56 < Steffanx> Except for south korea perhaps
2020-03-29T16:31:02 < Steffanx> *blamed
2020-03-29T16:31:26 < jadew> the romanian government took good measures, but they're not enforced well enough
2020-03-29T16:31:31 < jadew> and we're lacking in other areas
2020-03-29T16:32:18 < Steffanx> fuck the enforcing. people should be willing enough to do what they're asked to do.
2020-03-29T16:33:58 < doomba> yes. submit to the NWO
2020-03-29T16:34:36 < doomba> give up your basic human rights, freedoms, and futures of your children & grand children for a $1000 check and some shit from walmart.
2020-03-29T16:35:16 < doomba> mommy government will save you
2020-03-29T16:35:33 < jadew> we're not getting any money
2020-03-29T16:36:46 < doomba> because you don't need carrots anymore
2020-03-29T16:36:52 < doomba> they already took everything lol
2020-03-29T16:38:25 < Steffanx> Here there was this "rule": Dont place 100 people in a small spot. Result: Hey, let's organize a wedding for 500 people, but to avoid having > 100 people in a room, let's limit it to 96.
2020-03-29T16:38:32 < Steffanx> I mean. WTF.. how dumb can you be?
2020-03-29T16:39:04 < Steffanx> The spread all the 500 people over like 5 rooms, in the same building -_-
2020-03-29T16:39:07 < Steffanx> *they
2020-03-29T16:39:53 < jadew> yeah... stupid
2020-03-29T16:41:18 < Steffanx> Now you'll get a fine when you do things like that. Apparently "we" need that.
2020-03-29T16:41:22 < aandrew> Ultrasauce: yeah I thought they were maybe doing okay until they tried to put that fucking power grab into the aid bill
2020-03-29T16:41:55 < aandrew> jadew: yeah my niece in .ro is had a party with her friends... in the same house as my elderly mother in law
2020-03-29T16:42:08 < aandrew> why my inlaws aren't putting their foot down is beyond me
2020-03-29T16:43:02 < aandrew> doomba: can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not but that's exactly the attitude that's killing the US right now
2020-03-29T16:43:17 < Steffanx> haha, i didnt evne want to ask that aandrew. 
2020-03-29T16:43:26 < jadew> aandrew, because only 30 people have died here
2020-03-29T16:43:30 < jadew> yet
2020-03-29T16:45:27 < aandrew> you've got Trump calling it a hoax (although he's backed away from that now), you've got people saying "trump shouldn't be taking advice of medical leaders, because how do we know they even know what they're talking about?" ... it's a mess. I worry because I'm their neighbour and they're currently ahead of china in infections and quite possibly dead
2020-03-29T16:46:37 < englishman> did you get home zyp
2020-03-29T16:46:44 < englishman> did your family come with you?
2020-03-29T16:46:52 < boddax> it looks like soon EU crackied
2020-03-29T16:47:20 < Steffanx> uh
2020-03-29T16:47:50 < boddax> EU near to the game over
2020-03-29T16:48:07 < boddax> ..finally ..hope so :P
2020-03-29T16:48:25 < jadew> aandrew, also the "it's just a flu" shit that's still going on
2020-03-29T16:48:29 < Steffanx> Yes, you imported this virus boddax.
2020-03-29T16:48:31 < Steffanx> i blame you
2020-03-29T16:49:02 < boddax> cheaper powerful virus bought in ghuanzung
2020-03-29T16:49:41 < englishman> there's an infection here
2020-03-29T16:49:46 < englishman> in the garden
2020-03-29T16:49:54 < englishman> it is overrun with turkies
2020-03-29T16:50:15 < englishman> they are stomping all over everything
2020-03-29T16:51:12 < aandrew> lol
2020-03-29T16:51:21 < aandrew> shoot a few, get thanksgiving taken care of
2020-03-29T16:51:23 < Steffanx> Crazy bird flu?
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2020-03-29T16:51:31 < boddax> make them inside oven
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2020-03-29T16:51:53 < boddax> when cooked no more dangerous
2020-03-29T16:52:40 < doomba> aandrew: programmed response for anyone saying things outside the group-think
2020-03-29T16:53:04 < Steffanx> How many guns do you have doomba?
2020-03-29T16:53:08 < doomba> 0
2020-03-29T16:53:31 < Steffanx> oh, not allowed to i guess?
2020-03-29T16:53:44 < doomba> even if i were, the number would still be 0
2020-03-29T16:54:10 < Steffanx> That's easy to say when you're not allowed to :P
2020-03-29T16:54:16 < doomba> unless i got into hunting. but have never been interested.
2020-03-29T16:54:29 < doomba> i like fishing tho
2020-03-29T16:54:40 < doomba> don't need guns for that unless you're some kind of retard
2020-03-29T16:55:35 < doomba> people are in denial
2020-03-29T16:56:27 < doomba> i think that's why they strongly oppose anyone who talks about society's new management system being rolled out
2020-03-29T16:57:04 < doomba> sometimes i think they actually want to live in that system
2020-03-29T16:57:23 < doomba> they're begging for it
2020-03-29T16:59:14 < doomba> their god is the flow of material comforts propped up on imaginary credit.
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2020-03-29T17:00:55 < doomba> jewgle trends shows searches for all manner of topics surrounding self-sufficiency and growing food are on the rise. so at least some folks are getting it.
2020-03-29T17:03:51 < qyx> growing rice
2020-03-29T17:04:33 < englishman> hey lunix users, what's your favourite antivirus scanner
2020-03-29T17:04:56 < englishman> is McAfee still the best?
2020-03-29T17:05:18 < doomba> kasperksy is way better imo
2020-03-29T17:05:47 < doomba> us gov said not to use russian botnet... and you know what they say. always use whatever the gov tells you is bad. it's usually the best.
2020-03-29T17:06:05 < doomba> that's why i only use huawei too
2020-03-29T17:07:49 < BrainDamage> englishman: only in virtue of john mcafee being himself
2020-03-29T17:08:26 < boddax> switch to opanbsd or netbsd englishman
2020-03-29T17:08:29 < englishman> answering the pertinent questions
2020-03-29T17:11:50 < mawk> what did my man john do ?
2020-03-29T17:12:01 < mawk> we're bath salts buddies
2020-03-29T17:18:05 < catphish> can stm32 do TLS with hardware assisted encryption?
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2020-03-29T17:31:22 < kakimir> https://www.eurodk.com/en/products/mt-rb/routerboard-3011uias-rm
2020-03-29T17:33:47 < englishman> catphish: pretty sure stm32 crypto is only 256 bit?
2020-03-29T17:33:51 < englishman> dont quote me on that tho
2020-03-29T17:34:34 < catphish> that sounds like a reasonable amount of bits
2020-03-29T17:35:12 < englishman> tbh before buying a crypto chip make sure you can both buy and export them
2020-03-29T17:35:35 < Laurenceb> >only 256 bit
2020-03-29T17:36:03 < Laurenceb> >running ur nuclear launch system on stm32 hardware crypto
2020-03-29T17:36:19 < catphish> my needs here are pretty noob, pretty standard IoT setup
2020-03-29T17:36:36 < englishman> found you a job Laurenceb https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/28/fruit-and-veg-will-run-out-unless-britain-charters-planes-to-fly-in-farm-workers-from-eastern-europe
2020-03-29T17:36:44 < catphish> i dont want data going over the internet in cleartext
2020-03-29T17:36:53 < Laurenceb> >things that will actually happen
2020-03-29T17:37:04 < Laurenceb> hmm how come this never happened pre 2004
2020-03-29T17:37:13 < Laurenceb> really works the old brain cells
2020-03-29T17:37:32 < englishman> what happened in 2004
2020-03-29T17:37:52 < Laurenceb> eastern eurofags
2020-03-29T17:39:17 < kakimir> slavery re-initiated in 3-2-1 
2020-03-29T17:39:49 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-29T17:39:52 < Laurenceb> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/assets/48895.0/1622690.jpg
2020-03-29T17:40:16 < Laurenceb> Musks autistic latina pussy magnet
2020-03-29T17:40:30 < Laurenceb> >drawing them over the nearby border
2020-03-29T17:40:58 < Laurenceb> then smashing the windows of their houses with shock waves and bulldozing their villages
2020-03-29T17:41:12 < Laurenceb>  *Cortez intensifies*
2020-03-29T17:41:53 < qyx> catphish: check wolfssl
2020-03-29T17:42:07 < qyx> or is it mbedtls now
2020-03-29T17:42:10 < qyx> or polarssl is mbedtls
2020-03-29T17:42:22 < qyx> either way, check them all
2020-03-29T17:42:35 < catphish> will do, thanks
2020-03-29T17:43:00 < qyx> one of them had stm32 crypto support for sure, but idk now which one
2020-03-29T17:43:03 < Laurenceb> meanwhile autistic latino guy is liek: "Musk, u have to see my electric bus, like dude, electric bus man, electric party bus"
2020-03-29T17:43:15 < Laurenceb> nevar forget his Mexico City conference
2020-03-29T17:44:23 < Laurenceb> >when u were gunna go to Mars but then got distracted by coke and hookers in the electric party bus with ur new mexican gangsta friends
2020-03-29T17:51:02 < catphish> according to cube, no chip has both ethernet and AES
2020-03-29T17:51:23 < qyx> why
2020-03-29T17:51:28 < qyx> F746 for example?
2020-03-29T17:51:53 < catphish> well i hope it's wrong, that's just what the GUI says
2020-03-29T17:52:54 < qyx> ok no aes in F746
2020-03-29T17:53:15 < catphish> ah, there's 2 kinda of crypto, AES acceleration and "cryptographic processor"
2020-03-29T17:53:36 < catphish> it seems ethernet is kind of a specialist requirement, pushes the price way up
2020-03-29T17:54:44 < Laurenceb> for some reason this is very lulzy https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/10D2A/production/_111460986_2.53086737.jpg
2020-03-29T17:55:06 < Laurenceb> someone needs to shop in "chaturbate.com"
2020-03-29T17:55:14 < catphish> crypto isn't a big deal, can always do it in the CPU
2020-03-29T18:01:18 < catphish> is the F746 a common choice for ethernet?
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2020-03-29T18:02:15 < catphish> i always struggle choosing STM32's, there's so many and my requirements are super vague, i just want ethernet, uart, and some gpio
2020-03-29T18:08:04 < catphish> i wonder if i'd be better with a discrete ethernet IC
2020-03-29T18:10:24 < qyx> f407 is too bad?
2020-03-29T18:10:41 < qyx> it is old, some peripherals are of older type
2020-03-29T18:11:30 < catphish> one problem is that get ethernet, you need a *huge* stm32
2020-03-29T18:12:41 < boddax> the pne was looking for youtube sound i think is   Kontinuum / Kyrr
2020-03-29T18:13:58 < qyx> F107 had ethernet in 64pin packages
2020-03-29T18:14:09 < qyx> F407 in 100pin and up afaik
2020-03-29T18:15:22 < catphish> F107 does have it in 64 pin and is cheap, so that might work
2020-03-29T18:18:55 < Steffanx> Nah f1 is obsolete :P
2020-03-29T18:20:04 < catphish> well why can't they make a replacement then :(
2020-03-29T18:22:05 < specing> the chinese did ;p
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2020-03-29T18:25:56 < emeb> haha
2020-03-29T18:26:03 < catphish> or just use an arduino, those never get obsolete! :D
2020-03-29T18:26:47 < emeb> don't worry about "old" or "obsolete" - if you can still buy it then go
2020-03-29T18:27:22 < catphish> the F107 does seem reasonable, st still sell it, so probably fine
2020-03-29T18:27:41 < catphish> just need to find an ethernet PHY to go with it i guess, i've nevr worked with ethernte before
2020-03-29T18:29:19 < emeb> I used LANC8720 
2020-03-29T18:29:22 < emeb> cheap, easy
2020-03-29T18:29:31 < emeb> downside is that it's QFN so a bit harder to solder
2020-03-29T18:29:43 < catphish> or i could just piggyback a F746 nucleo onto a carrier board :)
2020-03-29T18:30:03 < catphish> but i always like to make my projects reproducible
2020-03-29T18:30:34 < qyx> whoa I mentioned F107
2020-03-29T18:30:47 < qyx> it is deader than trump
2020-03-29T18:33:08 < catphish> https://www.mouser.co.uk/datasheet/2/268/39662c-80953.pdf
2020-03-29T18:33:16 < catphish> that looks like a nice way to compromise
2020-03-29T18:35:32 < catphish> or i could get over my fear of big chips
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2020-03-29T18:38:06 < Cracki> big black chips
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2020-03-29T18:45:35 < catphish> The STM32F417 also integrates a crypto/hash processor providing hardware acceleration for AES 128, 192, 256, Triple DES, and hash (MD5, SHA-1)
2020-03-29T18:45:53 < catphish> beautiful, that'll do, once a few cents more than the 407
2020-03-29T18:47:08 < emeb> I used an F427 in 100pin pkg. Pretty easy.
2020-03-29T18:47:21 < emeb> plus *newer*
2020-03-29T18:56:28 < catphish> 427/437 a dramatic improvement over 407/417?
2020-03-29T18:56:34 < catphish> and why do they need so many?!
2020-03-29T19:16:07 < englishman> the difference is the DMA2D iirc
2020-03-29T19:16:17 < englishman> which is a dma blitter? iirc also
2020-03-29T19:17:31 < boddax> about 446 ?
2020-03-29T19:17:38 < catphish> looks like it claims to be lower power too, but not much in i
2020-03-29T19:17:41 < catphish> *in it
2020-03-29T19:17:53 < catphish> any of those will be fine for me anyway
2020-03-29T19:18:05 < catphish> now just trying to understand the ethernet interface
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2020-03-29T19:19:53 < englishman> i thought it was iot application
2020-03-29T19:19:56 < englishman> surely you have wifi
2020-03-29T19:20:01 < englishman> just add esp1488
2020-03-29T19:20:18 < englishman> i got a mousetrap that has esp1488 in it
2020-03-29T19:22:06 < catphish> i'm not a big fan of wifi, more config, more hassle
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2020-03-29T19:24:07 < catphish> although i would be tempted at this point to try to find a ready made ethernet + MCU module!
2020-03-29T19:28:52 < catphish> https://www.wiznet.io/product-item/w7500p/
2020-03-29T19:38:29 < Laurenceb> >esp1488
2020-03-29T19:38:31 < Laurenceb> top kek
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2020-03-29T20:07:16 < jadew> https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=H0t0_1585227613
2020-03-29T20:08:37 < onio> hi all! out of curiousity has anyone been able to compile c++ code using stm32cubeide-1.3? whenever I try get undefined reference to appmain() see example here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Xwd9m24v94/
2020-03-29T20:09:19 < onio> I have tried renaming the "main.c" to "main.cpp" but did not help
2020-03-29T20:09:22 < Cracki> I've had trouble with cubeide too (with imported projects). others had success (with fresh projects)
2020-03-29T20:09:32 < Cracki> perhaps try the last truestudio? :P
2020-03-29T20:10:03 < onio> Cracki, this is a fresh project that I had to create to proof the issue and it persists
2020-03-29T20:10:08 < Cracki> :D
2020-03-29T20:10:21 < Cracki> I wish you all the luck you need
2020-03-29T20:10:35 < onio> Cracki, thanks I need that
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2020-03-29T20:24:23 < aandrew> a mousetrap with wifi? heh
2020-03-29T20:26:16 < karlp> hrm, boddax listening to icelandic music too?
2020-03-29T20:26:45 < aandrew> urf. office WAY cleaner and more organized than before, but still so much to do. I can at least use the desks now though
2020-03-29T20:30:16 < Steffanx> For .. a week max? ;)
2020-03-29T20:30:27 < aandrew> shaddap :-)
2020-03-29T20:32:46 < Steffanx> Ok ok. I'm proud of you aandrew  
2020-03-29T20:33:19 < aandrew> lol
2020-03-29T20:33:36 < aandrew> I bought four more shelves and built 3 of them, they're all more or less full 
2020-03-29T20:34:24 < aandrew> https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/5-shelf-galvanized-steel-shelving-unit/A-p8533846e, they were 50% off. I bought 4 about a year ago too, so now I have 7 installed and full
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2020-03-29T20:35:13 < aandrew> they're just about the right balance of size and space, you can fit like 16 home depot containers in it. found those on sale about the same time I bought the shelves the first time and I use them as cheap project boxes
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2020-03-29T20:48:56 < Cracki> I have some shelves in that format too. the verticals come in 90 cm lengths, with connecting slips of sheet metal. I wish they came with some extra connectors so I could stack them up 3 high (2.7m)
2020-03-29T20:49:14 < Cracki> 1.80 is nice to reach but doesn't use my ceiling height
2020-03-29T21:00:50 < PaulFertser> So moscow is going into at least 5 days relatively strict lock down. Even cycling/running/walking is prohibited.
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2020-03-29T21:11:56 < specing> PaulFertser: it's okay, just say you are protesting when you are out
2020-03-29T21:14:25 < PaulFertser> specing: haha
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2020-03-29T21:42:27 < catphish> have the outer header pins been removed from nucleos?
2020-03-29T21:42:44 < catphish> they just seem to have arduino headers now
2020-03-29T21:46:39 < qyx> arduino is all you need
2020-03-29T21:48:31 < catphish> lol
2020-03-29T21:48:46 < catphish> that may be the case, i'll have to check
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2020-03-29T22:19:43 < Steffanx> Are you sure catphish?
2020-03-29T22:20:21 < Steffanx> i have no nucleos that do not have (pads/holes for) pin headers.
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2020-03-29T22:43:52 < qyx> sdcard obsession #n+1 https://i.imgur.com/1u9H5qz.png
2020-03-29T22:43:59 < qyx> only USB PHY is missing
2020-03-29T22:45:47 < Thorn> this is even more postmodern and conceptual than kakimir's SMA connectors
2020-03-29T22:53:12 < catphish> Steffanx: sorry, i meant some have holes, but no pins installed
2020-03-29T22:53:32 < catphish> the older ones i use have pins installed in all the holes
2020-03-29T23:06:11 < Steffanx> oooh. ok :P
2020-03-29T23:06:20 < Steffanx> No need to panic
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2020-03-29T23:11:42 < Steffanx> And the silk is all over the place qyx. Can you deal with that?
2020-03-29T23:13:08 < qyx> yeah
2020-03-29T23:14:02 < qyx> and if i wasn't dumb I would have put those cards on the back side of the board
2020-03-29T23:16:12 < Thorn> you should put socket numbers on silkscreen unless they're completely irrelevant
2020-03-29T23:21:08 < Cracki> ^
2020-03-29T23:21:31 < Cracki> they probably are irrelevant. they're all on a bus and enumerate by device id
2020-03-29T23:22:11 < Cracki> if a card can wiggle some output pin, maybe maybe give each a led it can blink, or not
2020-03-29T23:22:44 < qyx> they are 4 on a same SPI bus, not using SDIO
2020-03-29T23:22:49 < Thorn> they do have individual CS pins don't they
2020-03-29T23:23:06 < qyx> but they are irrelevant
2020-03-29T23:23:45 < qyx> I concluded the whole life is about progressing
2020-03-29T23:23:54 < qyx> so I removed holes for a mezzanine board
2020-03-29T23:23:57 < qyx> removed USB
2020-03-29T23:24:21 < qyx> I need to be sure it works without those features first
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2020-03-29T23:26:42 < englishman> does the sd spec require miso to go high-z when cs is deasserted
2020-03-29T23:27:05 < englishman> because if not, lol @ qyx figuring that out in prototype
2020-03-29T23:27:38 < qyx> I checked kingston and sandong datasheets, such connection is allowed in both
2020-03-29T23:27:46 < qyx> didn't check the specs though
2020-03-29T23:28:24 < englishman> apparently it's not in the jedec nor flash spec so some chips do it and some don't
2020-03-29T23:29:00 < qyx> also if you have to comply to SD specs, you are basically unable to connect them in parallel in SDIO mode neither
2020-03-29T23:29:05 < qyx> despite specs allowing that
2020-03-29T23:29:18 < qyx> becaue 40pF cap limit for the whole line
2020-03-29T23:30:10 < Thorn> btw what's the difference between SD and SDIO and why are peripherals in stm32 called SDIO as opposed to SD?
2020-03-29T23:30:13 < englishman> thats low
2020-03-29T23:30:24 < qyx> one card is allowed to have 10pF, host has something, traces too, filtering/ESD diodes too
2020-03-29T23:30:39 < qyx> so I just hope it will work
2020-03-29T23:30:43 < qyx> it works on all ardweenos
2020-03-29T23:32:06 < catphish> i'm trying to build what i thought would be the world's simplest project, a building RFID access control system with a MCU, ethernet, and some FETs for maglocks
2020-03-29T23:32:21 < catphish> ethernet seems to be big complexity though
2020-03-29T23:32:32 < qyx> why
2020-03-29T23:32:59 < catphish> why to which part?
2020-03-29T23:33:29 < qyx> why is ethernet a big compelxity,
2020-03-29T23:36:17 < Thorn> nfc/rfid is definitely big complexity and poorly documented compared to ethernet
2020-03-29T23:36:25 < catphish> 1) integrated ethernet dramatically reduces the selection of stm32 chips 2) ethernet requires several external parts
2020-03-29T23:37:08 < catphish> Thorn: true! and i got that working, i just hadn't realised ethernet would be complicated
2020-03-29T23:40:16 < catphish> hopefully i can just buy a nucleo board, develop on it, and duplicate the ethernet design
2020-03-29T23:40:30 < Cracki> aidsfruit grade ethernet module?
2020-03-29T23:40:41 < Thorn> anything in EE is complicated, e.g. rs-485 or even GPIOs if you have to do it to industrial / aerospace / mil spec
2020-03-29T23:40:59 < qyx> https://i.imgur.com/9t4lyO5.png
2020-03-29T23:41:04 < qyx> catphish: ^
2020-03-29T23:41:15 < qyx> remove the caps and add magjack or transformer+RJ45
2020-03-29T23:41:16 < Thorn> it's just that unlike oither interfaces, with ethernet there's no shortcut
2020-03-29T23:41:35 < catphish> qyx: thanks, no cryatal needed with that PHY?
2020-03-29T23:41:37 < doomba> Cracki: aidsfruit certified MAKE:R-blog-cred enhancement modules
2020-03-29T23:41:38 < qyx> open the nucleo board manual
2020-03-29T23:41:45 < qyx> and copy
2020-03-29T23:41:56 < qyx> catphish: it depends, I plan to use MCO output from the MCU
2020-03-29T23:42:05 < qyx> you can configure the phy for different modes
2020-03-29T23:42:16 < qyx> by default it expects a 25MHz xtal
2020-03-29T23:42:23 < qyx> and outputs refclk for the MCU
2020-03-29T23:42:35 < catphish> qyx: the PHY i looked at can use a 50MHz from the MCU
2020-03-29T23:42:51 < qyx> yeah thats possible too
2020-03-29T23:42:57 < catphish> but that doesn't seem trivial
2020-03-29T23:43:25 < catphish> qyx: how is KSZ getting its 25/50MHz?
2020-03-29T23:43:52 < qyx> on the XI pin
2020-03-29T23:43:56 < qyx> or using an XTAL
2020-03-29T23:44:46 < catphish> what is RMII_CLK? is that something stm32 provides?
2020-03-29T23:45:30 < qyx> no, you can use MCO or any other means to generate 25 or 50MHz clk
2020-03-29T23:45:56 < qyx> if the PLL is able to do that
2020-03-29T23:46:14 < catphish> i'll try that, thanks
2020-03-29T23:46:27 < catphish> what is ksz80b1rna?
2020-03-29T23:47:06 < qyx> blame kicad font
2020-03-29T23:47:11 < qyx> KSZ8081RNA
2020-03-29T23:47:37 < qyx> or a newer one KSZ8091RNA
2020-03-29T23:47:51 < qyx> it has some new features (eg. EEE)
2020-03-29T23:49:43 < qyx> catphish: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/ethernet-phys-jacks.txt
2020-03-29T23:51:09 < catphish> qyx: oh yeah, that's the same part i've been looking at, i wanted the QFP but that only supports MII
2020-03-29T23:51:29 < catphish> could work though
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2020-03-30T00:45:40 < qyx> looking at F7 clock tree, huh
2020-03-30T00:47:28 < qyx> theres a dedicated PLL capable of outputting on both MCO1 and MCO2
2020-03-30T00:47:56 < qyx> with input either from HSE or HSI
2020-03-30T00:48:43 < qyx> HSE can be output directly too
2020-03-30T00:49:17 < qyx> probably the easiest would be to use a 25MHz xtal, set sysclk to 200MHz instead of 216MHz and output 25MHz to the ethernet PHY
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2020-03-30T01:27:56 < Zilenc3> qyx, You'll never guess what the problem was for my ST link not connecting
2020-03-30T01:28:15 < Zilenc3> I used a power USB cable, not a power + data
2020-03-30T01:28:46 < Zilenc3> I have too many USB micros lying around and I completely forgot that some of them were power only
2020-03-30T01:29:00 < qyx> :D
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2020-03-30T01:37:50 < Ultrasauce> lol I went through the schematic trying to find a particular failure that could result in the situation you described and drew a blank
2020-03-30T01:40:23 < Steffanx> Whoops
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2020-03-30T02:16:45 < Thorn> https://t.me/COVID2019_official/131  almost 40% of patients on ventilators in Moscow are under 40
2020-03-30T02:17:20 < doomba> must be a new strain
2020-03-30T02:17:33 < doomba> first version was only killing boomers
2020-03-30T02:18:03 < doomba> new strain checks your credit score
2020-03-30T02:18:44 < Zilenc3> Does STM release IOC files for their boards they've developed?
2020-03-30T02:19:28 < Thorn> Zilenc3: you can choose a board when creating a new project, you will get a prepopulated cube config. save that -> ioc file
2020-03-30T02:19:52 < qyx> Thorn: we have 314 cases, 2 critical, 1 critical on ventilator
2020-03-30T02:20:07 < Zilenc3> Hmmm Ok. I'll try making a new project, last time I could only select the MCU
2020-03-30T02:20:10 < qyx> we are doing something wrong
2020-03-30T02:21:17 < Zilenc3> Thorn, Found it. Didn't see the tab up-top
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2020-03-30T02:33:51 < Thorn> Medvedev says CoV is a threat to humankind https://www.instagram.com/p/B-U3ogagu4Y/
2020-03-30T02:34:06 < Thorn> I think this is a first among "world leaders"
2020-03-30T02:34:16 < Cracki> eh
2020-03-30T02:34:23 < Cracki> it's not.
2020-03-30T02:34:35 < Cracki> FAR from 100% die.
2020-03-30T02:34:43 < Cracki> what's his angle
2020-03-30T02:34:50 < Cracki> why is he fear mongering
2020-03-30T02:38:09 < Thorn> "stay at home motherfuckers or we'll have to take even more extreme measures" basically
2020-03-30T02:41:06 < Cracki> what are they gonna do? shoot people? yesterday they had 13 deaths from the virus so they can afford to shoot about 13 people
2020-03-30T02:42:19 < Thorn> Putin chickened out and didn't say "quarantine" in his address, they're now trying to explain that he did mean quarantine lol
2020-03-30T02:42:40 < doomba> Thorn: does your media bash putin like they do the orange man here?
2020-03-30T02:43:03 < doomba> it's almost like every country has a set script they're all playing out to condition the citizens for something
2020-03-30T02:43:22 < Steffanx> Lol. Isnt the media state controlled in russia? 
2020-03-30T02:43:42 < Steffanx> If you say bad things you will go to jail
2020-03-30T02:44:40 < doomba> say bad things, go to jail...
2020-03-30T02:45:04 < doomba> over here it's the same thing - just instead of jail, you end up like sandra bullock from The Net.
2020-03-30T02:46:08 < doomba> Thorn: here in the US https://imgur.com/gallery/MthuFVH
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2020-03-30T02:47:02 < doomba> once this passes, freenode will have to take measures to ensure nobody is doing any wrong-think.
2020-03-30T02:47:34 < doomba> and this channel will have two people in it. lol
2020-03-30T02:47:54 < doomba> ChanServ and Laurenceb
2020-03-30T02:48:09 < Thorn> government media wouldn't dare say anything remotely against Putin. but they recently aired a long interview split into multiple episodes which put him in really bad light (they pulled the last 2 episodes but it was too late). but the remaining alternative media + youtube channels, facebook and telegram authors are hating him like he's Hitler and wishing him dead, especially after the oil crash
2020-03-30T02:48:56 < doomba> damn that reminds me i forgot to look at gas prices today
2020-03-30T02:49:04 < doomba> somebody said they are under $1/gal now
2020-03-30T02:51:15 < Laurenceb> is Leo here 
2020-03-30T02:51:17 < Laurenceb> nope
2020-03-30T02:51:25 < Laurenceb> he hates Putin lol
2020-03-30T02:51:54 < Thorn> and likes to touch his students amirite
2020-03-30T02:52:08 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2020-03-30T02:52:26 < Laurenceb> he writes high frequency trading applications in arm binary code on notepads
2020-03-30T02:52:31 < Laurenceb> thats his jerb
2020-03-30T02:53:31 < Laurenceb> I saw him programming with toggle switches but he may have been trolling
2020-03-30T02:53:57 < Laurenceb> no students involved
2020-03-30T02:54:10 < qyx> putin banned his habs?
2020-03-30T02:54:30 < Laurenceb> nah he left Russia cuz of putin
2020-03-30T02:54:39 < Laurenceb> before that he worked in some secrit lab
2020-03-30T02:54:44 < qyx> oh he lives in UK, doesnt he?
2020-03-30T02:54:48 < Laurenceb> yeah
2020-03-30T02:55:05 < qyx> corona-wise, it is the same
2020-03-30T02:56:28 < Laurenceb> I was going to get a Putin calendar to troll people at babbyshake jerb...
2020-03-30T02:56:32 < Laurenceb> but then I got fired
2020-03-30T02:58:28 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYsTmIzjkw
2020-03-30T03:00:16 < Laurenceb> the state of nasaspaceflight forum
2020-03-30T03:00:18 < Laurenceb> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=50453.msg2063223#msg2063223
2020-03-30T03:00:51 < Laurenceb> >this is going to rotate a ~50 tonne object about its long axis with mismatched center of mass
2020-03-30T03:01:03 < jly> ARE YOUR SIDES ORBITAL Laurenceb 
2020-03-30T03:01:38 < Laurenceb> yes
2020-03-30T03:01:47 < Ultrasauce> sides are in a strictly hyperbolic trajectory
2020-03-30T03:01:54 < jly> is that why you're interested in space flight, try and get them back?
2020-03-30T03:02:04 < Laurenceb> yeah
2020-03-30T03:02:06 < Laurenceb> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=50453.msg2063226#msg2063226
2020-03-30T03:02:09 < Laurenceb> my sides 
2020-03-30T03:02:28 < Laurenceb> how to troll Musks Mars waifu
2020-03-30T03:02:53 < Laurenceb> >when she gets to mars and he has just sent her a Turkey baster
2020-03-30T03:02:59 < jly> seems legit.
2020-03-30T03:02:59 < Laurenceb> oh wait
2020-03-30T03:03:26 < Laurenceb> >when Musks ""starship"" blows up and blows out her windows and Musk wont even but her new ones
2020-03-30T03:03:32 < Laurenceb> ^that bit actually happened
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2020-03-30T03:54:37 < Thorn> musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBfsS1EGyWc
2020-03-30T04:09:58 < jly> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qHNNu4GlPs
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2020-03-30T05:04:45 < jly> mip mipp
2020-03-30T05:05:17 < jly> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/rWl948E1/brd.png
2020-03-30T05:46:20 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/JohnPrineMusic/status/1244374068226293761
2020-03-30T05:49:59 < Cracki> if anyone hears about buying/owning restrictions on processors, gpus, fpgas, ... let me know
2020-03-30T05:50:26 < Cracki> not now but it may be coming within years or decades
2020-03-30T05:52:41 < doomba> why dat?
2020-03-30T05:53:00 < Cracki> call it "quarantine"
2020-03-30T05:53:15 < doomba> i don't understand
2020-03-30T05:54:39 < Cracki> AI will need lots of crunch. if there are sudden restrictions on purchase/sale/access to large amounts of compute power...
2020-03-30T05:55:06 < doomba> still doesn't make sense
2020-03-30T05:55:13 < Cracki> why not
2020-03-30T05:56:08 < doomba> the only reason i can see them restricting puchases of large amounts of compute power is if we get switched to fedcoin or something
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2020-03-30T05:58:57 < Cracki> yeh, an AI might not be able to rely on fiat currency. it might have to resort to trade of goods and services, favors even
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2020-03-30T06:48:05 < Cracki> say your job was to fight mass manipulation, how much media lying would you tolerate? let them talk? or public executions?
2020-03-30T06:49:29 < Cracki> how much public execution until people start to worry and panic? :D
2020-03-30T06:54:32 < Cracki> how would the masses react if you bought or otherwise controlled all the major media... if liar faces disappeared and good old "news anchors" reappeared that read their sheet and left it at that
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2020-03-30T08:00:10 < ColdKeyboard> Is there a good example to demo using differential ADC on L476?
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2020-03-30T08:00:51 < ColdKeyboard> I have this init code that I'm using -> https://pastebin.com/yeDx0RPP
2020-03-30T08:01:14 < ColdKeyboard> But I'm not sure about several things... like should I set it to Channel 0 or Channel 1 or initialize both?
2020-03-30T08:01:43 < ColdKeyboard> Nothing happens when I apply voltage to PortC.0 and/or PortC.1
2020-03-30T08:17:51 < ColdKeyboard> Interestingly enought I always get the same ADC value
2020-03-30T08:18:01 < ColdKeyboard> Shorting + and - channel doesn't do anything
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2020-03-30T09:08:20 < ColdKeyboard> So HAL's __HAL_ADC_CALC_VREFANALOG_VOLTAGE is calculating my 3v3 is 3.758V... DMM says 3.314V
2020-03-30T09:11:32 < Cracki> browse L4 ref manual. does your adc need some calibration?
2020-03-30T09:11:50 < Cracki> my f3 does. the procedure is simple, described, and in hal
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2020-03-30T10:15:32 < ColdKeyboard> Did it
2020-03-30T10:16:03 < ColdKeyboard> If you're using differential mode. How do you convert ADC value to voltage?
2020-03-30T10:16:36 < ColdKeyboard> Just curious if there is a macro or should I code mine
2020-03-30T10:26:23 < invzim> pros.. anyone got this? https://teledynelecroy.com/protocolanalyzer/usb/mercury-t2
2020-03-30T10:26:58 < invzim> and (when) do I need the trigger stuff of the advanced version?
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2020-03-30T10:43:37 < jpa-> ColdKeyboard: (int16_t)ADC->DR   will work if you have set the offset register to 2048
2020-03-30T10:43:54 < jpa-> otherwise just  (int)ADC->DR - 2048
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2020-03-30T10:54:40 < Steffanx> invzim: i think the total phase beagle is the most popular alternative to that here.
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2020-03-30T11:03:56 < invzim> Steffanx: doing USB hid type stuff, and looks like the USB 12 version only does enumeration and not class-based decoding
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2020-03-30T11:06:45 < invzim> https://www.totalphase.com/products/compare/beagle-usb/
2020-03-30T11:07:53 < invzim> https://www.totalphase.com/solutions/apps/class-decoding/
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2020-03-30T11:46:04 < ds2> totalphase has been infected with MBA-itis and turned into an ass
2020-03-30T11:55:47 < Steffanx> oh they no longer list prices
2020-03-30T11:55:56 < Steffanx> oh they do
2020-03-30T11:56:11 < Steffanx> whats wrong mr ds2
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2020-03-30T12:27:09 < ds2> they are purposely crippling their SW
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2020-03-30T12:41:24 < karlp> Thorn: too formal, try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC8C9DxTkGc
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2020-03-30T13:14:08 < Steffanx> ds2:  Like what exacty? And with what purpose? 
2020-03-30T13:14:41 < Steffanx> Except for the USB 12 being crippled, but hasn't it always been like that?
2020-03-30T13:15:08 < Steffanx> and crippled is perhaps not the right word. Has less software support/features
2020-03-30T13:17:40 < jly> good morning steffan
2020-03-30T13:26:16 < Steffanx> Gooday mr jly
2020-03-30T13:33:28 < jly> o/
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2020-03-30T13:54:23 < boddax> Its ok to set the repetitioncounter to 0 ?
2020-03-30T13:54:59 < karlp> you may want to provide some context
2020-03-30T13:57:11 < boddax> TimerInitstructure
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2020-03-30T14:48:54 < karlp> qyx: did you ever find a cheap celluar modem?  I thought this shit was down to like $10-15, but I'm not finding much below $30
2020-03-30T14:49:41 < specing> karlp: I heard the quactels were $10
2020-03-30T14:49:57 < karlp> which ones?
2020-03-30T14:50:05 < specing> aliexpress ones?
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2020-03-30T14:50:11 < karlp> lte-m or lte-cat1 are all too much, 
2020-03-30T14:50:16 < karlp> 2g isn't very interesting.
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2020-03-30T15:11:18 < qyx> karlp: quacktel M66FA, SimCom SIM800C
2020-03-30T15:11:19 < qyx> oh no 2g
2020-03-30T15:11:32 < qyx> SIM7000E maybe?
2020-03-30T15:12:07 < qyx> lte-cat1 is expensive, lte-m is unavailable here
2020-03-30T15:15:12 < zyp> sup
2020-03-30T15:15:50 < karlp> yeah, lte-cat 1 was like, "are you fuckign serious? I can buy a phone for that price"
2020-03-30T15:16:10 < karlp> I don't get phones are soooo mcuh cheaper than lte modules.
2020-03-30T15:16:30 < karlp> it's gotta be just "the market" saying that only high value things get their own modems, so you can just fucking pay
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2020-03-30T15:17:18 < qyx> karlp: there were some for $15
2020-03-30T15:17:24 < qyx> zyp: still in jp?
2020-03-30T15:18:19 < zyp> yeah, for another hour or so
2020-03-30T15:18:23 < zyp> waiting at the gate now
2020-03-30T15:18:44 < qyx> karlp: https://www.sos.sk/gsm-umts-lte?params=38%3ALTE%20Cat%201%7C38%3ALTE%20Cat%204%7C38%3ALTE%20Cat%206%7C38%3ALTE%20Cat%20M1%7C38%3ALTE%20Cat%20M1%2FCat%20NB2%7C38%3ALTE%20Cat1%20M1%7C38%3ANB-IoT&category=10577&param_current=38&sorter=price_asc
2020-03-30T15:18:48 < qyx> meh
2020-03-30T15:18:58 < zyp> every other flight is cancelled
2020-03-30T15:19:00 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/5vnQQ.png
2020-03-30T15:19:26 < qyx> BG77LA-64-SGNS is 16e karlp 
2020-03-30T15:20:01 < qyx> JL7995?
2020-03-30T15:20:13 < zyp> QR807
2020-03-30T15:20:23 < zyp> but yeah, codeshare
2020-03-30T15:26:20 < karlp> qyx: yeh, that's abotu the best I've found, and it still seems super pricy.
2020-03-30T15:26:22 < karlp> boo
2020-03-30T15:33:31 < karlp> fucking libreoffice, edit page settings, it's applied live, but you can't drag teh window over to the side to see the document at the same time.
2020-03-30T15:46:58 < englishman> karlp: nrf91
2020-03-30T15:52:20 < qyx> did you use it?
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2020-03-30T16:05:42 < aandrew> I haven't used nrf91 yet, looks nifty though
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2020-03-30T16:13:07 < karlp> still ~16€, for lte-m/nb-iot even in 100s
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2020-03-30T16:15:02 < karlp> this is ~30@, but says you get a dedicated cortex-a for application work, which is an interesting path https://www.sierrawireless.com/products-and-solutions/embedded-solutions/products/wp7607-1/
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2020-03-30T16:19:51 < karlp> some of them are esim too,
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2020-03-30T16:36:15 < englishman> yeah karlp
2020-03-30T16:36:20 < englishman> nrf91 to the rescue
2020-03-30T16:36:37 < englishman> no more paying €60 for ublox LTE modules
2020-03-30T16:36:53 < englishman> and you get a god damn cortexA
2020-03-30T16:36:56 < mawk> I think we're using ublox stuff too
2020-03-30T16:37:30 < mawk> do you think if they cut pcb prices they will raise my salary ?
2020-03-30T16:39:11 < karlp> englishman: nrf91 says it's just an m33? you get an application processor there too?
2020-03-30T16:40:08 < englishman> oh yeah
2020-03-30T16:40:12 < englishman> I forget
2020-03-30T16:40:15 < englishman> there's a cortex
2020-03-30T16:40:24 < karlp> The Arm Cortex-M33 application processor is supported by 1 MB of flash and 256 KB RAM making advanced application development possible in a single device solution. 
2020-03-30T16:40:27 < englishman> plus a big one you can't touch
2020-03-30T16:40:52 < karlp> the wp7607 gives me 128MB nand and 256MB ram on an A7 runing linux
2020-03-30T16:41:01 < englishman> I guess cortexA would necessitate a lot of memory and there's no interface for that
2020-03-30T16:41:35 < englishman> $?
2020-03-30T16:42:24 < englishman> oh 30
2020-03-30T16:42:36 < englishman> in singles? not bad
2020-03-30T16:42:40 < qyx> running Legato® open source software
2020-03-30T16:43:14 < karlp> yeah, which is yocto plus "something"
2020-03-30T16:43:20 < karlp> I'd have to look at that a lot more.
2020-03-30T16:44:11 < karlp> englishman: you'd want wp7601 or 03 for NA not EMEA
2020-03-30T16:44:21 < doomba> ==> Retrieving sources...
2020-03-30T16:44:24 < doomba>   -> Downloading nRFCommandLineTools1070Linuxamd64tar.gz...
2020-03-30T16:44:26 < qyx> $60 at tme
2020-03-30T16:44:29 < doomba> shiznizzle
2020-03-30T16:45:46 < qyx> wait what, 76e incl tax
2020-03-30T16:46:08 < karlp> qyx: $30 on verical for 10 o rmore.
2020-03-30T16:46:17 < qyx> I don't believe them
2020-03-30T16:46:32  * karlp shrugs
2020-03-30T16:46:49 < qyx> ha, it is WP76071
2020-03-30T16:48:32 < qyx> so cat1
2020-03-30T16:48:57 < karlp> eyah, more like real lte, less like lte-m and nb-iot
2020-03-30T16:49:10 < englishman> can you buy direct? once I spoke with ublox sales the prices dropped off a cliff
2020-03-30T16:49:11 < qyx> but 7607 s cat4
2020-03-30T16:49:41 < qyx> englishman: I was said ubloxes can be much cheaper
2020-03-30T16:49:57 < karlp> well, non -1 doesn't existin their catalog,
2020-03-30T16:50:12 < englishman> yeah the prices on digijew are not realistic
2020-03-30T16:50:15 < qyx> on their web and on them it does
2020-03-30T16:50:23 < qyx> *on tme
2020-03-30T16:52:12 < karlp> well, I was only on this list: https://www.sierrawireless.com/products-and-solutions/embedded-solutions/iot-modules/
2020-03-30T16:52:17 < karlp> which are all -1 suffix
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2020-03-30T16:52:23 < karlp> which is enough for me
2020-03-30T16:52:47 < qyx> https://www.sierrawireless.com/products-and-solutions/embedded-solutions/iot-modules/
2020-03-30T16:52:50 < qyx> same link
2020-03-30T16:53:15 < karlp> ah, scrolled down. ok :) /me missed that
2020-03-30T16:53:20 < karlp> I was only looking for cat1
2020-03-30T16:53:22 < qyx> lol
2020-03-30T16:53:23 < kakimir> what is benefit over m.2 module
2020-03-30T16:53:29 < kakimir> other than size
2020-03-30T16:53:40 < karlp> size
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2020-03-30T16:53:58 < karlp> and in this case, it's all in one. applicaiton processor too
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2020-03-30T17:00:01 < englishman> the presence of lunix actually devalues the chip so it's cheaper than m2
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2020-03-30T17:02:05 < Thorn> Cadence is offering their $$$ courses for free for 2 weeks
2020-03-30T17:03:47 < rajkosto> i got an email about altium doing some shit 
2020-03-30T17:04:18 < rajkosto> but they always be doin some shit
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2020-03-30T18:26:06 < karlp> sweet, 30 CHF per icon: https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:pub:PUB400008:en
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2020-03-30T18:28:09 < Steffanx> lol
2020-03-30T18:28:11 < englishman> yearly
2020-03-30T18:28:11 < karlp> I'm required to use them, but I'm meant to just screenshot and redraw them all myself? what mad world is this
2020-03-30T18:28:28 < Steffanx> Now i understand where tcth get his money.
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2020-03-30T18:30:08 < Steffanx> Arent you force to use THOSE icons?
2020-03-30T18:30:52 < englishman> https://nos.nl/artikel/2328804-veel-patienten-op-ic-met-overgewicht-maar-ga-nu-niet-te-streng-dieten.html
2020-03-30T18:30:59 < karlp> well, I only need a couple, caution, warning, danger, the WE logo, risk of shock sshit
2020-03-30T18:31:01 < englishman> 2 many waffels
2020-03-30T18:31:06 < Steffanx> haha
2020-03-30T18:31:07 < Steffanx> yes
2020-03-30T18:32:15 < Steffanx> why englishman reads nos.nl?
2020-03-30T18:33:36 < englishman> waffel news
2020-03-30T18:33:49 < englishman> i have invested heavily in wooden shoes
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2020-03-30T19:12:54 < emeb> karlp: damn - that's a lot of icons
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2020-03-30T19:20:06 < karlp> I tell you what, social distancing is pretty good for keeping spending down :)
2020-03-30T19:20:37 < Steffanx> Hah true
2020-03-30T19:21:58 < emeb> Dunno about that - I'm ordering a lot of stuff off the internet lately.
2020-03-30T19:22:49 < karlp> well, I bought some stuff and justified it by "well, not spending anythign"
2020-03-30T19:23:06 < karlp> but I'm not buying any beers in bars for instance
2020-03-30T19:23:25 < Steffanx> Even my internet spending is less now emeb 
2020-03-30T19:23:34 < Steffanx> Money spending.
2020-03-30T19:23:41 < emeb> Steffanx: you must support the economy!
2020-03-30T19:24:14 < Steffanx> Yeah. The moneyed westener spirit
2020-03-30T19:24:30 < specing> karlp | I tell you what, social distancing is pretty good for keeping spending down :)
2020-03-30T19:24:48 < specing> you keep saving so that when the financial crisis catches up they'll have something to take
2020-03-30T19:25:11 < specing> I need to buy a lot of expensive stuff and fast for this very reason
2020-03-30T19:25:20 < emeb> Steffanx: yes - kill grandma to keep the wheels of industry turning!
2020-03-30T19:25:25 < specing> mmm maybe I should gift myself a 1TB SSD
2020-03-30T19:25:43 < Steffanx> The energy waste of such disk
2020-03-30T19:25:56 < specing> wat
2020-03-30T19:25:58 < Steffanx> Lol
2020-03-30T19:26:04 < specing> :)
2020-03-30T19:26:07 < Steffanx> WD green.
2020-03-30T19:26:13 < specing> that sucks
2020-03-30T19:26:29 < specing> I have HGST server HDDs, 7200 rpm and 55'C without active cooling
2020-03-30T19:26:34 < Steffanx> There are wd green SSDs too
2020-03-30T19:26:38 < Steffanx> 55C damn.
2020-03-30T19:26:42 < specing> those suck even more
2020-03-30T19:27:09 < specing> HGST Deskstar NAS
2020-03-30T19:27:14 < Steffanx> My disks are like ~30C now. But they're hardly used
2020-03-30T19:27:22 < Steffanx> In the NAD
2020-03-30T19:27:24 < specing> 55'C is idle
2020-03-30T19:27:26 < Steffanx> NAS
2020-03-30T19:27:33 < specing> I dare not imagine how hot they would get under use
2020-03-30T19:27:40 < specing> without cooling
2020-03-30T19:27:54 < Steffanx> Do you pump the heat into the ground for later use?
2020-03-30T19:30:29 < specing> ofc not
2020-03-30T19:31:02 < Steffanx> Hm
2020-03-30T19:31:03 < emeb> just bury the equipment in the back yard.
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2020-03-30T19:34:36 < zyp> this plane is pretty empty
2020-03-30T19:35:02 < zyp> we're sitting at row 16, closest other passenger is at like row 28 or so
2020-03-30T19:36:34 < specing> Steffanx: speaking of energy waste^
2020-03-30T19:37:23 < PaulFertser> zyp's going home, hooray
2020-03-30T19:37:29 < PaulFertser> Was it hard or expensive to get tickets?
2020-03-30T19:37:38 < Steffanx> nah, just pay the 1 euro extra and its done right, specing?
2020-03-30T19:38:05 < specing> Steffanx: which 1 eur extra?
2020-03-30T19:38:09 < specing> Steffanx: for what?
2020-03-30T19:38:49 < Steffanx> Climate Compensation money.
2020-03-30T19:39:01 < zyp> PaulFertser, not hard, as soon as I found out original flight was cancelled without possibility to reschedule, I went on google flights, looked at what options I had, picked the best one and bought tickets
2020-03-30T19:39:11 < specing> Steffanx: It would be more than enough if the fossil fuel subsidies stopped
2020-03-30T19:39:30 < zyp> but expensive, yes, cost around $3k for two adults + infant
2020-03-30T19:40:28 < zyp> although I'm expecting travel insurance to cover that
2020-03-30T19:40:33 < zyp> so I don't care too much
2020-03-30T19:41:26 < PaulFertser> Unless they declared it "force majeure"
2020-03-30T19:44:47 < zyp> No, I have a proper insurance company that actually insures people
2020-03-30T19:45:09 < karlp> you hope :)
2020-03-30T19:45:40 < karlp> as far as I can tell, they all claim to be that right up to the moment yhou ever try to make a claim
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2020-03-30T20:16:04 < Thorn> Putin must be green with envy now https://twitter.com/balazscseko/status/1244612142831198209
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2020-03-30T20:37:18 < qyx> Thorn: O_o
2020-03-30T20:39:22 < jadew> paypal just gave me some money back
2020-03-30T20:39:44 < jadew> from last year
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2020-03-30T20:41:03 < Thorn> moneyed westerners
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2020-03-30T20:41:59 < jadew> "Spreading fake news + rumors: up to 5 yrs in prison" - wtf?
2020-03-30T20:42:04 < jadew> who decides what is fake news?
2020-03-30T20:42:14 < mawk> a judge
2020-03-30T20:42:20 < jadew> thought police
2020-03-30T20:42:43 < qyx> jadew: someone in the comments wrote that
2020-03-30T20:42:57 < qyx> fake news = anything which helps spreading covid2019
2020-03-30T20:43:10 < jadew> I think that's the only objectionable thing
2020-03-30T20:43:23 < jadew> or to put it differently, it's the thing that makes the other things scary
2020-03-30T20:43:34 < jadew> if it wasn't for that, you'd be like "oh, so business as usual"
2020-03-30T20:43:44 < mawk> in france some alternative treatment quacks are calling coronavirus "connarovirus" which means douchebag-o-virus, and tell that if you open your third eye and drink your urine it will cure by itself
2020-03-30T20:43:48 < mawk> they're the first that should go to jail
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2020-03-30T20:44:51 < zyp> Ik ben geen robot
2020-03-30T20:45:15 < jadew> mawk, they're not wrong, but it's cow urine
2020-03-30T20:45:25 < mawk> I'm not indian
2020-03-30T20:45:28 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi9OdFmHb9E
2020-03-30T20:45:36 < mawk> me neither zyp 
2020-03-30T20:46:43 < jadew> "Experts say there is no evidence that cow urine can prevent coronavirus."
2020-03-30T20:48:21 < Steffanx> Pas op dempels, zyp
2020-03-30T20:49:45 < Laurenceb> >over 9000 britbongs in intensive care
2020-03-30T20:49:48 < Laurenceb> memetic
2020-03-30T20:50:50 < Laurenceb> cure for coronavirus in 3 easy steps, the virus dislikes high temperatures so: 1) pour petrol over yourself 2) light it 3) you will be free from coronavirus for the rest of your life
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2020-03-30T20:55:18 < boddax> russian militar helps is doing great job 
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2020-03-30T20:57:11 < boddax> but big petrol consume for theyr trucks and theyr drinks
2020-03-30T20:57:18 < mawk> jadew: there's not a single study that shows that having a parachute when jumping out of a plane will save your life
2020-03-30T20:57:23 < mawk> so absence of study doesn't mean it doesn't work
2020-03-30T20:57:27 < mawk> so let's all drink cow urine
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2020-03-30T21:08:32 < Laurenceb> the state of google chrome
2020-03-30T21:08:42 < Laurenceb> >uses my cache rather than main memory
2020-03-30T21:08:43 < Laurenceb> wtf
2020-03-30T21:08:51 < antto> choogle grome
2020-03-30T21:09:45 < antto> wuddup loirens?
2020-03-30T21:10:27 < Laurenceb> staying at home and fapping
2020-03-30T21:10:44 < antto> <toomuchdetails.jpg>
2020-03-30T21:11:42 < antto> ah, so ur browz0r is caching teh pr0nz?
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2020-03-30T21:11:49 < antto> ..browz0r is onto sumfin
2020-03-30T21:12:08 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-30T21:14:20 < antto> when ur screensav0r kicks in - browz0r loadz teh cached pr0n, cpu fans intensify
2020-03-30T21:14:30 < mawk> lol
2020-03-30T21:14:50 < antto> 1024 instructions later - CDROM EJECT
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2020-03-30T22:05:56 < aandrew> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-52094804
2020-03-30T22:12:33 < Steffanx> lol steven
2020-03-30T22:13:16 < Steffanx> why isnt this on news.com.au yet
2020-03-30T22:14:15 < mawk> "Then, after using my last two magnets in a futile attempt to remove the magnets, and getting those stuck too, I knew I was in trouble."
2020-03-30T22:19:09 < mawk> are you australian aandrew ?
2020-03-30T22:20:00 < mawk> gromit
2020-03-30T22:20:06 < mawk> I loved that cartoon
2020-03-30T22:20:51 < aandrew> nope not australian. canadian
2020-03-30T22:22:28 < englishman> wallace and gromit is english
2020-03-30T22:24:42 < englishman> Laurenceb: is this you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5XlBqHSJuQ
2020-03-30T22:25:15 < aandrew> yes, I had two dual ppro machines named wallace and gromit
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2020-03-30T22:43:02 < englishman> musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kn0V5mpJe4
2020-03-30T22:47:54 < Steffanx>  /ban englishman
2020-03-30T22:50:06 < Laurenceb> comments are disabled for this video
2020-03-30T22:50:53 < Laurenceb> when u know youtube comments will outtroll u
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2020-03-30T23:34:56 < Laurenceb> https://patents.google.com/patent/US6402093B1/en
2020-03-30T23:34:57 < Laurenceb> wtf
2020-03-30T23:35:34 < Laurenceb> do these guys even know how electric fields work
2020-03-30T23:37:43 < BrainDamage> >ice is negatively charged what
2020-03-30T23:37:48 < Laurenceb> https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cDx8_ug_GGgC&pg=PA114&lpg=PA114&dq=U.S+Patent+no.+6027075&source=bl&ots=l7axH8b2i-&sig=ACfU3U0fhAsdEJTRmNkfeIsglaJDVyZgXQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiOw_auhsPoAhXXQ0EAHeeiBnIQ6AEwA3oECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=U.S%20Patent%20no.%206027075&f=false
2020-03-30T23:37:52 < Laurenceb> >doubt
2020-03-30T23:38:19 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: it does have a surface charge effect, but surface charges dont work like that
2020-03-30T23:38:54 < BrainDamage> a dielectric under external field will get a dipole moment
2020-03-30T23:39:00 < Laurenceb> the quasi liquid layer effect on ice is real
2020-03-30T23:39:31 < Laurenceb> and the quasi liquid layer has an internal field like a capacitor
2020-03-30T23:39:46 < Laurenceb> but you cant do external work on it in the way they propose
2020-03-30T23:40:05  * Laurenceb is trying to work out how to deice solar blimp tether lines
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2020-03-30T23:50:46 < BrainDamage> make the field oscillating
2020-03-30T23:50:49 < BrainDamage> then it does work
2020-03-30T23:51:11 < BrainDamage> and it'd induce on the dipole moment of the caps by dielectric losses
2020-03-30T23:51:28 < BrainDamage> you only need to melt a thin surface on the lines, the gravity will do the rest
2020-03-30T23:52:00  * Laurenceb is unconvinced
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2020-03-30T23:54:24 < Laurenceb> it can probably be done using longitudinal waves
2020-03-30T23:54:29 < Laurenceb> to shear off the ice
2020-03-30T23:57:28 < Laurenceb> I hate mechanical engineers
2020-03-30T23:57:44 < Laurenceb> >just model this as a shear tensor
2020-03-30T23:58:05 < Laurenceb> >we dont need to worry about surface energies or anything like that
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2020-03-30T23:59:24 < Laurenceb> there is always the nuclear option: pour ethanol down the tether
2020-03-30T23:59:32 < Laurenceb>  "its okay its bioethanol"
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2020-03-31T00:00:49 < englishman> have a continuous loop with pulleys on either end constantly cycling the tether around so no one part builds up ice
2020-03-31T00:01:52 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-31T00:02:08 < Laurenceb> englishman moar liek rue-goldberg man
2020-03-31T00:02:35 < Laurenceb> >Teach 'no means no' early, and later teach 'yes sometimes also means no'
2020-03-31T00:02:46 < Laurenceb> >A recent TedTalk doing the rounds on social media showed rape victim Thordis Elva, and her rapist, and ex-boyfriend, Tom Stranger recount their experience
2020-03-31T00:02:55 < Laurenceb> kekking hard https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/03/21/resistance-university-consent-classes-shows-schools-failing/
2020-03-31T00:07:26 < Laurenceb> https://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=STAYHOME
2020-03-31T00:07:28 < Laurenceb> lol
2020-03-31T00:08:08 < doomba> https://tracker.habib.org/#!qm=White&q=REPLACED
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2020-03-31T00:13:51 < Cracki> listen to mosley speeches
2020-03-31T00:14:15 < Cracki> no, "peaky blinders" doesn't count
2020-03-31T00:15:00 < kakimir> movie recommnd
2020-03-31T00:15:13 < Cracki> greatest story never told :>
2020-03-31T00:15:25 < Cracki> some new capeshit maybe/
2020-03-31T00:17:13 < englishman> patriots day (2016)
2020-03-31T00:18:29 < Laurenceb> tabloids discovered ##stm32-offtopic
2020-03-31T00:18:31 < Laurenceb> https://media.thetab.com/blogs.dir/21/files/2018/05/chat3.png
2020-03-31T00:18:42 < Cracki> Bloodshot (2020) with Van Kerosene
2020-03-31T00:19:00 < Cracki> kek
2020-03-31T00:19:06 < Cracki> captain what
2020-03-31T00:19:50 < Laurenceb> https://media.thetab.com/blogs.dir/21/files/2018/05/chat2.png
2020-03-31T00:19:58 < BrainDamage> englishman: I've suggested this months ago
2020-03-31T00:20:51 < englishman> the spinning tether could transfer the charge faster
2020-03-31T00:21:14 < Laurenceb> looool
2020-03-31T00:21:23 < Laurenceb> >giant van de graff generator
2020-03-31T00:21:25 < BrainDamage> you know, you risk building
2020-03-31T00:21:27 < BrainDamage> yes, that
2020-03-31T00:21:31 < Laurenceb> lmao
2020-03-31T00:21:32 < BrainDamage> but accidental
2020-03-31T00:21:43 < Laurenceb> >insanity level: stratosolar.com
2020-03-31T00:22:00 < englishman> two tethers spinning in opposite directions
2020-03-31T00:22:22 < englishman> the whole thing placed in a sheath so they don't get tangled
2020-03-31T00:22:27 < BrainDamage> that'd work
2020-03-31T00:22:39 < BrainDamage> I'd be curious about the current that'd flow between the pairs
2020-03-31T00:22:43 < Laurenceb> >multiple emdrives
2020-03-31T00:23:00 < Cracki> planning to fold space next?
2020-03-31T00:23:10 < englishman> they would have 500kV potential of course as they would be the transmission lines
2020-03-31T00:23:41 < Laurenceb> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-47147269
2020-03-31T00:24:30 < Laurenceb> seems Ryan had one bullshit chat session too many
2020-03-31T00:25:17 < BrainDamage> imagine the gigavolt that the spinning wire could accumulate
2020-03-31T00:26:02 < BrainDamage> more seriously, at what height icing forms?
2020-03-31T00:26:25 < Laurenceb> ground to ~10km
2020-03-31T00:26:41 < BrainDamage> and baloon at which altitude?
2020-03-31T00:26:47 < Laurenceb> I suspect longitudinal waves in the tethers would work but its hard to model
2020-03-31T00:26:50 < Laurenceb> about 20km
2020-03-31T00:27:24 < BrainDamage> does the ice sublimate at higher layers?
2020-03-31T00:28:08 < Laurenceb> hmm maybe
2020-03-31T00:28:16 < Laurenceb> its more a case that it doesnt form
2020-03-31T00:28:28 < Laurenceb> icing conditions are rare above 10km
2020-03-31T00:29:05 < kakimir> is it true that queen elizabet has returned to her war time duty?
2020-03-31T00:29:32 < kakimir> servicing trucks
2020-03-31T00:29:39 < kakimir> or was it satire I read
2020-03-31T00:29:46 < Laurenceb> lol that
2020-03-31T00:29:53 < Laurenceb> I've seen those larp photos
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2020-03-31T02:02:14 < Laurenceb> new daily death record
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2020-03-31T02:06:54 < Cracki> intentional crash of the economy. neets won't understand. working people do.
2020-03-31T02:07:21 < Cracki> numeracy is very low
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2020-03-31T07:05:49 < Thorn> is there a raid type or some advanced filesystem that I could build out of 4 drives and it will survive the failure of any 2 of them?
2020-03-31T07:09:10 < zyp> raid6, raidz2, etc…
2020-03-31T07:10:44 < Cracki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuQwbqTWJyE
2020-03-31T07:12:27 < doomba> "we took the red pill. we are awake and ready to consume. those damn sheeple are so oblivious. already got my microchip stm32 implant"
2020-03-31T07:16:18 < aandrew> https://streamable.com/f0lrg digital airflow sensor with like $5 in parts, spits out a pulse width proportional to airflow
2020-03-31T07:16:28 < Cracki> microchip buys stm32, immediately rips cortex M out and puts pic core in
2020-03-31T07:16:41 < aandrew> oh good god
2020-03-31T07:16:46 < aandrew> that would be a nightmare
2020-03-31T07:16:52 < Cracki> muaahah
2020-03-31T07:16:54 < aandrew> although I'm happy they haven't gutted AVR
2020-03-31T07:17:08 < doomba> it would be a pic core that emulates cortex M
2020-03-31T07:17:08 < Cracki> pulse _width_ eh
2020-03-31T07:17:11 < aandrew> yep
2020-03-31T07:17:14 < Thorn> microchip is using mips in their newest pisc, aren't they
2020-03-31T07:17:15 < Cracki> what witchcraft
2020-03-31T07:17:31 < Cracki> if it's a propeller or anything that'd give rotation, or a tacho signal
2020-03-31T07:17:33 < aandrew> feed that inot a timer capture. no need to worry about analog signal integrity and it is even linear
2020-03-31T07:17:40 < Cracki> ah
2020-03-31T07:18:01 < Cracki> keep your stick on the ice
2020-03-31T07:18:13 < Cracki> so you too are building respirators now
2020-03-31T07:18:27 < aandrew> not quite
2020-03-31T07:18:36 < aandrew> but it is useful there
2020-03-31T07:18:46 < aandrew> I'm more interested in the oxygen concentrators
2020-03-31T07:18:54 < Cracki> looks like frequency rather than width but useful regardless
2020-03-31T07:19:35 < aandrew> yes, period
2020-03-31T07:19:42 < aandrew> count from rising edge to rising edge
2020-03-31T07:20:48 < Cracki> whispering because lungs disintegrate or because thin walls and it's nighttime?
2020-03-31T07:21:07 < Cracki> also dat high pitched sound aaah
2020-03-31T07:21:14 < Thorn> zyp: thanks, raid-z2 looks like what I need
2020-03-31T07:23:18 < aandrew> Cracki: nah, talking quietly becuase there's no need to talk loud
2020-03-31T07:23:57 < Cracki> neighbor takes a deep breath for every syllable. very booming voice. very bull in china shop kinda guy.
2020-03-31T07:24:32 < aandrew> heh
2020-03-31T07:25:12 < englishman> aandrew is it an air flow sensor or air mass sensor
2020-03-31T07:27:51 < aandrew> englishman: I suppose it's a mass sensor, as it relies on air removing heat from a transistor
2020-03-31T07:27:56 < aandrew> basically a rugged hot wire anemometer
2020-03-31T07:28:02 < englishman> cool
2020-03-31T07:28:08 < aandrew> well no, quite warm
2020-03-31T07:28:18 < aandrew> it maintains ~50C difference between the two sensing transistors
2020-03-31T07:28:36 < englishman> nice mindgames opening your video with a dry cough too
2020-03-31T07:28:56 < aandrew> it draws about 600mW too
2020-03-31T07:29:06 < aandrew> hahaha I thought about re-shooting but fuck it
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2020-03-31T09:20:31 < Thorn> https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/ondemand/video/5001289/
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2020-03-31T09:38:33 < Thorn> an 8-port usb hub with builtin power meter and 3A charging on all downstream ports (+ maybe PD high power charging on type c ports if any)
2020-03-31T09:38:39 < Thorn> useful project y/n
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2020-03-31T09:39:59 < englishman> imo connect it to a bench psu for the power readings
2020-03-31T09:40:46 < Thorn> it would have a display with per-port V, A and W
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2020-03-31T09:42:06 < Thorn> and of course hub class power commands should work
2020-03-31T09:42:15 < Thorn> control requests
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2020-03-31T10:01:18 < Cracki> people would just use it to charge a handful of phones or something
2020-03-31T10:02:33 < Cracki> I'm struggling to imagine uses for precise metering _and_ 8 ports. precise meter _or_ many ports seems more common
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2020-03-31T10:03:00 < Thorn> people yes, but EEs/developers will be able to reset / power down a port using the touchscreen, for example
2020-03-31T10:03:17 < Cracki> hm
2020-03-31T10:03:44 < Cracki> rudimentary protocol sniffing such as packet rate, data rate?
2020-03-31T10:04:44 < Thorn> + test PD/BC1.2 negotiation, change available power modes
2020-03-31T10:05:12 < Thorn> i.e. stuff that terminates at the hub and doesn't go all the way to the host
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2020-03-31T10:52:55 < PaulFertser> Talking about UMTS or probably LTE mobile stations. Have anybody actually measured performance for their native protocols (MBIM/QMI/NCM/RNDIS (with NAT)) vs. PPP over CDC-ACM?
2020-03-31T10:55:42 < jpa-> IMO the bigger benefit is making them easier to setup & work more reliably - PPP is not that high overhead that it would probably have a large effect on bandwidth if implemented well
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2020-03-31T10:59:51 < PaulFertser> Well, so it's interesting to learn if the overhead is at all measureable.
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2020-03-31T11:01:04 < PaulFertser> PPP is already supported by many different OSes, so it's like the common denominator. If it was working nicely then there wouldn't be much need for the other protocols.
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2020-03-31T11:03:22 < jpa-> but it really isn't/wasn't working well on any platform
2020-03-31T11:04:03 < jpa-> on linux it lead into abominations like modemmanager that messes up all cdc-acm usage, on windows it lead into manufacturer-specific helper programs for setting up the PPP, and if you had multiple installed on same system everything would be a mess
2020-03-31T11:07:08 < srk> its bunch of quirks due to AT commands, modemmanager works well, if you don't need modems well just remove it
2020-03-31T11:08:20 < jpa-> it's a bunch of legacy crap and NCM (and even RNDIS with all its quirks) is much cleaner solution and works better
2020-03-31T11:08:58 < PaulFertser> jpa-: hm, are you sure about modemmanager? I never used it, what was it for? In my experience regular "pppd" was working nicely with ttyACM
2020-03-31T11:09:12 < jpa-> it's like asking "is there overhead for running a serial port mouse over usb-serial converter?" - no, not measurable overhead, it's just silly and leads to bunch of configuration problems
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2020-03-31T11:09:34 < jpa-> PaulFertser: well, modemmanager was supposed to configure pppd automatically
2020-03-31T11:10:06 < jpa-> because it needs those silly configurations that have no significance at all in modern devices
2020-03-31T11:10:07 < PaulFertser> jpa-: but rndis is not an option because: 1. no standard API to configure the device 2. the device doing IPv4 NAT
2020-03-31T11:10:23 < PaulFertser> And even with MBIM it's still a mess. The protocol is complex and not every vendor gets it right...
2020-03-31T11:10:51 < jpa-> why would rndis require nat? and even many ppp devices did nat
2020-03-31T11:10:54 < PaulFertser> AT is silly indeed.
2020-03-31T11:12:25 < jpa-> configuration of USB devices in general is an annoying problem - i wish there was some way to easily pop some simple UI on the PC and interact with it
2020-03-31T11:12:46 < PaulFertser> Hm, well either you have CDC-ACM to configure the device + RNDIS to actually use the network or you have just RNDIS but then it requires NAT.
2020-03-31T11:12:50 < jpa-> hosting a webpage behind RNDIS/NCM works, but still requires user to type in ip address
2020-03-31T11:13:41 < PaulFertser> PPP over ACM is pretty silly, I fully agree.
2020-03-31T11:14:02 < PaulFertser> But I wonder if it's measurably slower.
2020-03-31T11:16:19 < PaulFertser> (btw, module in my netbook is using cdc_ether, not RNDIS)
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2020-03-31T11:30:56 < zyp> I think some people were working pretty hard on optimizing the interface speed when I worked at STE
2020-03-31T11:31:32 < zyp> but the protocol stack in a phone is generally a bit different from that of a pc module
2020-03-31T11:32:28 < zyp> I believe most stuff where running NCM over CAIF over whatever (HSIC, MIPI HSI, etc…)
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2020-03-31T11:33:07 < zyp> for the actual network payload
2020-03-31T11:33:28 < zyp> config and control were done through separate AT channels over CAIF
2020-03-31T11:33:45 < zyp> wait
2020-03-31T11:34:00 < zyp> my bad, not NCM over CAIF, CAIF over NCM over HSIC
2020-03-31T11:34:14 < zyp> IP over CAIF over NCM over HSIC
2020-03-31T11:35:19 < zyp> I don't recall having anything much to do in depth with any of the HSIC (USB) based platforms, but my impression is that NCM were picked for performance
2020-03-31T11:36:34 < zyp> CAIF is a mux layer to keep everything higher layer independent of transport, if you know you're doing USB, NCM+ACM should give you a similar setup
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2020-03-31T12:20:41 < jly> hello all tappers
2020-03-31T12:26:02 < Steffanx> Gooday Commander
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2020-03-31T12:34:41 < Steffanx> Gooday Commander tcth
2020-03-31T12:35:34 < tcth> hi
2020-03-31T12:35:50 < tcth> wait... how do you know I just got here?
2020-03-31T12:35:58 < tcth> does my IRC client do the /away thing?
2020-03-31T12:36:33 < PaulFertser> You just joined the chan tcth 
2020-03-31T12:36:44 < tcth> lol
2020-03-31T12:36:46 < jadew> you weren't away, you were disconnected
2020-03-31T12:36:50 < tcth> alright
2020-03-31T12:36:52 < tcth> hello people o/
2020-03-31T12:36:58 < jadew> hey
2020-03-31T12:37:10 < tcth> jadew, I meant to ask you something the other day: How does one explain the covid-19 solution to a toddler?
2020-03-31T12:37:23 < jadew> which solution?
2020-03-31T12:37:39 < jadew> we just told our son everything
2020-03-31T12:37:41 < jadew> he's 6
2020-03-31T12:38:14 < jadew> depends on how well he understands life and death I guess
2020-03-31T12:38:24 < PaulFertser> Toddlers can rarely understand anything anyway.
2020-03-31T12:38:37 < PaulFertser> Do you explain COVID-19 situation to your cats or dogs?
2020-03-31T12:38:50 < tcth> jadew, I thought so, hence my second question would be: How do you explain the concept of death to a 4-6 years old?
2020-03-31T12:39:04 < tcth> PaulFertser, trick question - I don´t have any cats or dogs :3
2020-03-31T12:39:11 < jadew> tcth, it's rough
2020-03-31T12:39:33 < jadew> first of all, you don't show emotion
2020-03-31T12:39:44 < PaulFertser> 4-6 is not a toddler
2020-03-31T12:39:52 < jadew> you speak of it like it's nothing, something absolutely normal - which it is
2020-03-31T12:40:08 < jadew> you don't want to dramatize it more than it has to be, because a huge drama will follow anyway
2020-03-31T12:41:57 < PaulFertser> How do you explain the concept of meaningless of life? Death is easy to explain. Draw a picture on paper. Burn it. The question is rather what to do with that knowledge.
2020-03-31T12:42:14 < tcth> ´because a huge drama will follow anyway´ > huh?
2020-03-31T12:42:30 < tcth> PaulFertser :D
2020-03-31T12:42:48 < jadew> tcth, they'll realize quickly that they will die too (they might ask it), then that the people they love will probably die before they will, because of age
2020-03-31T12:43:03 < jadew> so the "I don't want you to die" thing will come up from time to time
2020-03-31T12:43:35 < PaulFertser> So you have a chance to cite Cobain: "I hate myself and I want to die". Now deal with it my precious child.
2020-03-31T12:43:45 < tcth> jadew, is this a thing that gets explained ´whenever the situation allows it´ or is it more like the sex thing where you ´wait until a certain age´?
2020-03-31T12:43:54 < jadew> at which point you have to go "well, you don't have to worry about that, we'll be together for a very long time, but yes, life will end and this is why we have to make the most of it" - to also answer PaulFertser's question
2020-03-31T12:44:00 < tcth> PaulFertser, you´re in a special mood today it seems :D
2020-03-31T12:44:14 < jadew> tcth, you can't wait with this
2020-03-31T12:44:20 < jadew> because there's going to be death all around
2020-03-31T12:44:31 < jadew> the food on the table is going to be some sort of dead animal
2020-03-31T12:44:52 < jadew> you'd have to shelter them from too much of reality in order to avoid giving them this information
2020-03-31T12:44:55 < PaulFertser> Unless you raise your offspring as a vegeterian
2020-03-31T12:45:03 < jadew> personally, I never kept it a secret
2020-03-31T12:45:29 < tcth> jadew, it always sounds like you know exactly how to handle these things... is that something you researched upfront or is it more the jadew way that just happens to work out?
2020-03-31T12:45:48 < jpa-> our 4-year-old has picked up the concept of death pretty well himself through plants & animals - and also that people die when they get old
2020-03-31T12:46:01 < tcth> ah good, jpa- is here - wanted him to be there too.
2020-03-31T12:46:02 < jadew> no research on this... I just thought this is the best way of handling it
2020-03-31T12:46:21 < tcth> jpa-, did you let him kill the neighbour´s cats? :D
2020-03-31T12:47:03 < jpa-> nice thing about children is that they are very quick to accept things, "oh, animals die before we eat them? that's sad" and next day eating chicken with the new knowledge of how things work
2020-03-31T12:47:26 < tcth> given kids imagination and couriosity I am somewhat surprised that not more accidents are happening. something along the line of explaining the concept of death to a child, then it thinks it knows betters or ´wants to try it´ and jumps off a roof or something
2020-03-31T12:47:28 < jpa-> tcth: nah, but dead flies and other small animals
2020-03-31T12:47:46 < tcth> jpa-, interesting - why would that be? (the quick acceptance thing)
2020-03-31T12:47:57 < tcth> also, how would a 4 year old know what sadness is? 
2020-03-31T12:48:04 < jpa-> it's the way children are, hard to learn a ton of stuff if you question everything
2020-03-31T12:48:21 < jpa-> uh, of course they know - even a 1 year old would
2020-03-31T12:48:23 < tcth> I was always pretty sure that that was the only way to learn a ton of  stuff
2020-03-31T12:48:36 < jadew> tcth, oh right, knowing the concept of death is also important because you can explain other things in simpler terms
2020-03-31T12:48:49 < tcth> jadew, can you give me an example?
2020-03-31T12:48:54 < jpa-> they've felt plenty of sadness and missing etc. emotions by that point
2020-03-31T12:48:57 < jadew> that's the ultimate danger (that you can die), so you can quickly put some sense into them when they run off towards the street
2020-03-31T12:49:05 < jadew> "stop, you could get hit, and then you die."
2020-03-31T12:49:44 < tcth> I see
2020-03-31T12:49:57 < jpa-> tcth: questioning things is a great way to learn once you have the capability to find out missing pieces yourself and arrive at correct outcomes by reasoning, but when you know very little it is better to be fast to accept new facts and then fast also to replace them when you learn better
2020-03-31T12:50:05 < jadew> because some things are that dangerous, and if they don't have the concept, they won't know how dangerous something really is
2020-03-31T12:50:37 < tcth> jpa-, interesting - well said.
2020-03-31T12:51:04 < tcth> so in general one would conclude that death should be introduced rather quickly?
2020-03-31T12:51:06 < jadew> my son had an interesting discussion with a friend in kindergarten
2020-03-31T12:51:07 < tcth> well, as a concept.
2020-03-31T12:51:29 < jadew> the friend told him a story about a kid who didn't put his seatbelt, they had an accident and the kid died
2020-03-31T12:51:40 < jpa-> tcth: well, if they see a dead fly, i wouldn't lie that it's only sleeping
2020-03-31T12:51:53 < jadew> we haven't had any issues with him refusing to wear his seatbelt since he heard that story
2020-03-31T12:52:01 < tcth> jpa-, I kind of hope so. that would sound pretty... bad to me.
2020-03-31T12:52:50 < tcth> jadew, what I find most astonishing is that there´s apparently a will to not die - which I cannot explain. even though a kid might understand that death is a thing - nothing bad has ever been associated with it - why avoid it? (from a kids perspective)
2020-03-31T12:52:56 < PaulFertser> What's more scary, knowing that you're going to die or knowing that the whole universe is going to be absolutely cold and even protons might eventually disintegrate?
2020-03-31T12:53:32 < jadew> tcth, that's out of our control
2020-03-31T12:53:38 < tcth> PaulFertser, I can´t answer that question - I don´t really have a feeling towards either.
2020-03-31T12:53:48 < jadew> the will to live is not rational, it's an evolutionary artifact
2020-03-31T12:53:50 < jpa-> tcth: but as regarding covid-19, i have not found it necessary to mention death so far - it's a quite remote possibility anyway - we've just explained it's important to wash hands and stay home so that we don't get sick because there is a new disease going around
2020-03-31T12:53:53 < tcth> jadew, so that is something that can be expected to be a base line (from the POV of a parent)?
2020-03-31T12:54:02 < jadew> yeah
2020-03-31T12:54:23 < tcth> alright
2020-03-31T12:54:36 < tcth> jpa-, and explaining the concept of a virus and getting sick to a 4 years old is doable then?
2020-03-31T12:54:48 < tcth> in a way that is fruitful ofc
2020-03-31T12:55:07 < PaulFertser> jpa-: but it's not really true, you're really trying to not overload the hospitals, not exactly to get sick. Or are hoping for a vaccine to be available before herd immunity?
2020-03-31T12:55:14 < jpa-> tcth: of course, they've been sick, they know that "germs" make them sick, and that dog poo has germs in it
2020-03-31T12:55:26 < jpa-> it's no different to explain how covid transmits
2020-03-31T12:55:50 < tcth> alright!
2020-03-31T12:55:53 < Steffanx> i bet all your son says is "ei ei ei" nowadays. or did he skip that phase?
2020-03-31T12:56:35 < tcth> Steffanx, is that a finnish pirate?
2020-03-31T12:56:36 < jpa-> PaulFertser: well, i think the best way out would be just testing & stiffling any outbreaks until vaccine is well tested - the south korea method could work for years
2020-03-31T12:56:39 < jadew> it's also especially easy to explain covid because it doesn't affect kids that much
2020-03-31T12:56:45 < Steffanx> its means no, tcth
2020-03-31T12:56:46 < jadew> so they can take comfort in that
2020-03-31T12:56:52 < jpa-> PaulFertser: but whatever way it is, it is better not to get it, and if one does get it, better late
2020-03-31T12:57:01 < tcth> Steffanx, lol
2020-03-31T12:57:10 < jpa-> Steffanx: we've been through a few of those phases, yeah
2020-03-31T12:57:13 < tcth> well, thanks for the insights, guys.
2020-03-31T12:57:28 < Steffanx> When will there be a little tct?
2020-03-31T12:57:45 < Steffanx> *another
2020-03-31T12:57:48 < PaulFertser> jpa-: does south korea method also allows economy to function properly?
2020-03-31T12:58:10 < jadew> PaulFertser, it does, better than other methods, but I think the US is doing it best
2020-03-31T12:58:19 < jpa-> PaulFertser: it seems so to me, at least better than the alternatives
2020-03-31T12:58:32 < jpa-> how about sweden method? they don't lock down anything
2020-03-31T12:58:37 < jadew> lol
2020-03-31T12:59:10 < PaulFertser> jadew: the US by allowing to spread relatively fast to "get over it" faster?
2020-03-31T12:59:11 < Steffanx> They dont even lock down criminals. It's just a huge recreation park.
2020-03-31T12:59:16 < jadew> PaulFertser, yeah
2020-03-31T12:59:21 < Steffanx> so why would they lock down non-criminals?
2020-03-31T12:59:28 < PaulFertser> jadew: guess they have enough headroom for that.
2020-03-31T12:59:29 < jadew> and unlike other countries, they probably have the resources to deal with it all
2020-03-31T12:59:32 < jadew> yeah
2020-03-31T13:00:31 < Steffanx> Except that you end up with a huuuuuge health bill
2020-03-31T13:00:37 < Steffanx> *health care
2020-03-31T13:00:38 < jpa-> tcth: regarding "not wanting to die" being built in: it appears to me that at very young are (1-2 years) children don't fully perceive themselves as a distinct entity yet and don't really have a concept of doing things to themselves - and a bit older they get a quite strong fear of the unknown, so it's only at 5-7 years old that self-harm would typically even enter their thoughts
2020-03-31T13:00:45 < jadew> they probably want to be the first to get out of it, so they get a head start
2020-03-31T13:00:49 < jadew> it's really not a bad plan
2020-03-31T13:01:11 < tcth> jpa-, good to know!
2020-03-31T13:01:41 < jpa-> Steffanx: there is not health care bill if you have no health care to give!
2020-03-31T13:01:53 < Steffanx> Welcome to ##parenting32
2020-03-31T13:02:14 < jpa-> Steffanx: when will you make a mini-steffie?
2020-03-31T13:02:19 < Steffanx> never.
2020-03-31T13:02:37 < jadew> why not?
2020-03-31T13:02:38 < jpa-> we could have a new boomer generation after covid-19 has got rid of the old one
2020-03-31T13:03:00 < Steffanx> I cannot see myself raise a kid (or i dont want to)
2020-03-31T13:03:25 < Steffanx> *and i dont want to
2020-03-31T13:04:32 < jadew> I felt the same before I had a kid
2020-03-31T13:05:33 < Steffanx> And the issue.. the older i get the higher the chance i meet someone that already has kids. The horror :P
2020-03-31T13:05:41 < jadew> haha
2020-03-31T13:06:08 < jadew> well, you can date younger chicks
2020-03-31T13:06:19 < jadew> so no loss there
2020-03-31T13:07:33 < jadew> we have a friend who broke up with his gf when he was in his 30s
2020-03-31T13:08:00 < jadew> he started dating chicks on tinder, so every married guy was envious of him :P
2020-03-31T13:08:30 < jadew> he's now with a girl who's 10 years younger
2020-03-31T13:08:56 < Steffanx> meh
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2020-03-31T14:02:02 < jly> meh
2020-03-31T14:02:25 < jly> the teen hunter
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2020-03-31T16:01:49 < jadew> https://www.army.mil/article/233809/army_scientists_create_innovative_quantum_sensor
2020-03-31T16:05:00 < jadew> sounds to me like a 0 to 100 GHz antenna
2020-03-31T16:05:17 < jadew> but only for receiving
2020-03-31T16:05:45 < jadew> and it's not really an antenna
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2020-03-31T16:27:13 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo5g2LLxKHg
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2020-03-31T16:35:52 < englishman> 5-bit mechanical uart https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4971bc
2020-03-31T16:35:59 < englishman> encoded in baudot instead of ascii
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2020-03-31T16:36:55 < Mangy_Dog> ummmm how possible is it i just got a bunch of recycled stm32sf103c8s off ali and they all have the read/write bit flipped? :/
2020-03-31T16:37:05 < Mangy_Dog> im really struggling to upload a boot loader to these chips
2020-03-31T16:37:21 < Mangy_Dog> stlink is giving me the read protection error
2020-03-31T16:38:05 < Mangy_Dog> can not read memory, disabled read out protection
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2020-03-31T16:51:48 < Mangy_Dog> ok amanaged to turn the read out protection
2020-03-31T16:51:52 < Mangy_Dog> but new interesting thing
2020-03-31T16:51:58 < Mangy_Dog> saying its low density with only 32kb
2020-03-31T16:52:01 < Mangy_Dog> its a c8
2020-03-31T16:52:12 < Mangy_Dog> should be 128kb?
2020-03-31T16:52:24 < Mangy_Dog> unless its reading a wrong identifyer
2020-03-31T16:53:56 < emeb> probably upmarked
2020-03-31T16:54:28 < Mangy_Dog> markings reetched?
2020-03-31T16:55:16 < emeb> ya
2020-03-31T16:56:22 < Mangy_Dog> no owrse than that
2020-03-31T16:56:23 < Mangy_Dog> :/
2020-03-31T16:56:28 < Mangy_Dog> they are marked t6
2020-03-31T16:56:30 < Mangy_Dog> UUGHHHHH
2020-03-31T16:57:13 < Mangy_Dog> no wait thats ok
2020-03-31T16:57:14 < Steffanx> why is that bad?
2020-03-31T16:57:14 < Mangy_Dog> its C6
2020-03-31T16:57:24 < Steffanx> C8 or CB is what you can have.
2020-03-31T16:57:29 < Mangy_Dog> nodnods
2020-03-31T16:57:37 < Mangy_Dog> sorry i got confused
2020-03-31T16:57:44 < Mangy_Dog> C6 is the 32kb variant
2020-03-31T16:58:14 < Mangy_Dog> which stlink util is saying 32kb of flash
2020-03-31T16:58:18 < Mangy_Dog> rather than the 128
2020-03-31T16:58:20 < Steffanx> oh C6 is rea ltoo
2020-03-31T16:58:36 < Steffanx> even has a different datasheet -_-
2020-03-31T16:59:11 < Mangy_Dog> anyway marked as CB
2020-03-31T16:59:19 < Mangy_Dog> but only showing 32kb of flash
2020-03-31T17:00:10 < englishman> are you sure your tools are working
2020-03-31T17:00:48 < englishman> what is a recycled stm32? what led you to invest in those
2020-03-31T17:00:58 < Steffanx> price.. for sure
2020-03-31T17:01:51 < englishman> i hope this a learning experience
2020-03-31T17:02:11 < Mangy_Dog> yeah tools are working
2020-03-31T17:02:16 < Mangy_Dog> double checked off a good known board
2020-03-31T17:02:19 < Mangy_Dog> showing correct flash size
2020-03-31T17:02:26 < Mangy_Dog> ive managed to turn off the read protection bit
2020-03-31T17:02:35 < Steffanx> Cant the tool identify the ic?
2020-03-31T17:02:38 < Mangy_Dog> but still only showing 32kb on my new "CB" chips
2020-03-31T17:02:39 < rajkosto> Mangy_Dog, take pic of the "CB" 
2020-03-31T17:02:58 < Mangy_Dog> oki
2020-03-31T17:03:02 < rajkosto> anyway you can probe and override flash size with openocd
2020-03-31T17:03:04 < englishman> you said you ordered c8, they are printed cb and it's reporting c6?
2020-03-31T17:03:18 < Mangy_Dog> no i ordered CB this time
2020-03-31T17:03:19 < rajkosto> see if you can actually flash 128kb of data and properly read it back (use random data)
2020-03-31T17:03:39 < rajkosto> if so, then just keep using the hacked openocd to flash it, i guess
2020-03-31T17:05:11 < Mangy_Dog> the etching is near impossible to read
2020-03-31T17:05:27 < Mangy_Dog> without a magnifier
2020-03-31T17:05:32 < Mangy_Dog> just IPAed it
2020-03-31T17:05:38 < Mangy_Dog> and its near invisible
2020-03-31T17:07:36 < emeb> rub w/ acetone to see if the black repaint comes off
2020-03-31T17:08:32 < Mangy_Dog> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538814618106331139/694548617192800358/IMG_20200331_150744.jpg
2020-03-31T17:08:59 < rajkosto> it shouldnt be so dim
2020-03-31T17:10:48 < rajkosto> thhe C looks odd too
2020-03-31T17:10:53 < rajkosto> https://img10.joybuy.com/N0/s560x560_jfs/t16594/6/2083406243/71114/bb5c56ec/5a950743N76cd6717.jpg.dpg
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2020-03-31T17:10:55 < rajkosto> too smooth
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2020-03-31T17:11:37 < rajkosto> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1lDrlSXXXXXa7apXXq6xXFXXXh/Microcontroller-32-bit-STM32F103CBT6-STM32F-103CBT6-ARM-STM32L476RET6-STM32L476-RET6-VS1053B-L-VS1053B-L-new-original.jpg_q50.jpg the C is angular in all that ive seen so far
2020-03-31T17:13:29 < Mangy_Dog> yeah
2020-03-31T17:13:35 < Mangy_Dog> Its counterfeit ::/
2020-03-31T17:13:51 < Mangy_Dog> lets hope ali sides with me put in a claim
2020-03-31T17:14:02 < Mangy_Dog> spent 20 quid on this order of chips as well
2020-03-31T17:14:03 < Mangy_Dog> :/
2020-03-31T17:18:00 < fenugrec> why on earth would you buy that many F103s
2020-03-31T17:18:08 < Mangy_Dog> because i use them a lot
2020-03-31T17:18:30 < fenugrec> it's like the 16F84A of the stm32 world
2020-03-31T17:18:42 < Mangy_Dog> no idea what that is
2020-03-31T17:26:14 < emeb> haha
2020-03-31T17:26:25  * emeb remembers the PIC16F84A
2020-03-31T17:26:32 < emeb> from 20yrs ago
2020-03-31T17:26:51 < emeb> cheap flash-based PIC. use over & over!
2020-03-31T17:27:01 < Steffanx> How much inside you died just now?
2020-03-31T17:27:13 < emeb> we all bear scars
2020-03-31T17:28:59 < Steffanx> :)
2020-03-31T17:29:47 < doomba> make it rhyme. we all bear scars from using AVRs
2020-03-31T17:30:25 < emeb> we all have tics from using PICs
2020-03-31T17:30:29 < doomba> those nrf91 look neat but i donno if we can trust them?
2020-03-31T17:31:55 < karlp> trust them for what? what is the fear?
2020-03-31T17:33:45 < doomba> the fear is the mcu core being compromised via the baseband somehow
2020-03-31T17:34:06 < doomba> remote exploitation of the SiP by nation state
2020-03-31T17:34:32 < doomba> presumably via backdoor already in the silicon
2020-03-31T17:36:39 < karlp> how about you just take that fear and ignore all cellular then please, and stop talking about it too.
2020-03-31T17:38:05 < emeb> self isolation
2020-03-31T17:39:11 < doomba> or buy one and start hammering on it
2020-03-31T17:39:18 < doomba> to find out if the fear is rational or not
2020-03-31T17:39:53 < BrainDamage> or just treat it as hostile and let it sit on a dedicated bus
2020-03-31T17:40:09 < BrainDamage> then you consider your safe zone ending at the bus
2020-03-31T17:40:14 < BrainDamage> easy as that
2020-03-31T17:40:19 < doomba> yea. and use a seperate mcu for the application - which is wasteful.
2020-03-31T17:40:33 < BrainDamage> your problem
2020-03-31T17:40:41 < doomba> i didn't look at the block diagram yet. maybe this is already the case somehow.
2020-03-31T17:40:52 < doomba> but that's still no guarantee there isn't some sidechannel not documented
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2020-03-31T17:43:59 < karlp> doomba thinking there's no secret baseband processor in all cortex-m3s already....
2020-03-31T17:44:34 < BrainDamage> strobing the gpio pins at 60GHz
2020-03-31T17:44:46 < BrainDamage> and transmitting to the near compromised devices
2020-03-31T17:45:06 < emeb> so much for your "air gap" hahahahaha
2020-03-31T17:45:20 < doomba> you know why they use 60ghz? because 60ghz propagates the best when the earth is flat. therefore the earth really is flat.
2020-03-31T17:46:09 < doomba> nrf91 does intrigue me though. i think i will get one soon.
2020-03-31T17:46:15 < doomba> currently been playing with nrf51 a bit
2020-03-31T17:46:23 < englishman> I'm sure nordicks backdoors are full of hardware bugs
2020-03-31T17:47:18 < englishman> errata longer than the datasheet
2020-03-31T17:57:18 < bitmask> heyyyooo
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2020-03-31T18:14:27 < Steffanx> I liked AVR much more than PIC doomba
2020-03-31T18:14:31 < Steffanx> no scars from AVR
2020-03-31T18:14:53 < Steffanx> I didnt even hate assembly for AVR too much.
2020-03-31T18:16:04 < Steffanx> I did get scares from AVR/microchip documentation though
2020-03-31T18:16:19 < Steffanx> especially the touch crap library documentation
2020-03-31T18:16:34 < Steffanx> its awful. Full of typos and stupid errors
2020-03-31T18:17:37 < Steffanx> *scars
2020-03-31T18:18:21 < Steffanx> Microchip support is awfully helpful though. Even surprisingly fast with fixing some errors.
2020-03-31T18:23:11 < englishman> they also offer a preprogramming service right on their website
2020-03-31T18:23:17 < englishman> with a nice interface
2020-03-31T18:26:48 < karlp> yeah, I like everything about microchip apart from PIC :)
2020-03-31T18:30:52 < bitmask> man, I ordered youtuber Tech Ingredients homemade thermal epoxy 28 days ago, it finally shipped
2020-03-31T18:34:26 < englishman> yeah Karl it'd be great if they had any mcu worth ordering
2020-03-31T18:34:41 < englishman> but they offer it on flash ics which is how I saw it
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2020-03-31T18:44:04 < Mangy_Dog> cahttps://youtu.be/yzSbJ4ols6o
2020-03-31T18:44:09 < Mangy_Dog> https://youtu.be/yzSbJ4ols6o
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2020-03-31T18:50:13 < rajkosto> meanwhile, all my C8Ts from aliexpress could store 128K just fine (even tho official st-utils say they got 64K obviously)
2020-03-31T18:50:57 < Mangy_Dog> yeah i have a bunch of legit c8s
2020-03-31T18:51:02 < Mangy_Dog> and util says 645kb
2020-03-31T18:51:04 < Mangy_Dog> 64
2020-03-31T18:51:12 < Mangy_Dog> not tested if they can store 128
2020-03-31T18:51:17 < rajkosto> you can flash 128K to them though
2020-03-31T18:51:42 < rajkosto> except the rare, really bad ones
2020-03-31T18:51:47 < Mangy_Dog> i dont think its garenteed
2020-03-31T18:51:59 < Mangy_Dog> well its not but i dont know how much of a cahnce i had good C*s
2020-03-31T18:52:03 < Mangy_Dog> C8s
2020-03-31T18:52:19 < rajkosto> the ones that you cant flash 128K to, they cant clock as high either, so they seem to be rejects
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2020-03-31T19:07:06 < Laurenceb> keeek britbong police
2020-03-31T19:07:17 < Laurenceb> >we are using drones to target ramblers
2020-03-31T19:07:31 < Laurenceb> >they are rambling near villages filled with elderly people
2020-03-31T19:09:26 < Laurenceb> the funny part is they took 2 days to come up with this one
2020-03-31T19:09:33 < Laurenceb> by this reasoning they could use hellfire missiles against ramblers and dog walkers
2020-03-31T19:09:47 < Laurenceb> inb4 they get an armed drone
2020-03-31T19:12:24 < englishman> "In China, people who test positive for the virus but don’t have any symptoms are not classified as confirmed cases."
2020-03-31T19:13:13 < Mangy_Dog> Laurenceb actually the police have already been told off for over zelous tactics to stop people concregating
2020-03-31T19:13:25 < Laurenceb> yeah but it took ages
2020-03-31T19:13:29 < Mangy_Dog> that included using drones
2020-03-31T19:13:44 < Laurenceb> its the way the police nutters they have on the radio are so obviously loving every moment
2020-03-31T19:13:55 < Laurenceb> almost like they are closet fascists or something
2020-03-31T19:14:03 < Laurenceb> that couldnt possibly be the case...
2020-03-31T19:14:10 < englishman> cops can't have guns but can cop drones have guns?
2020-03-31T19:14:14 < Mangy_Dog> no of course not ..............
2020-03-31T19:14:28 < Mangy_Dog> this coujntry really id going to hell
2020-03-31T19:14:29 < englishman> can canine cops have guns?
2020-03-31T19:14:34 < Mangy_Dog> woof
2020-03-31T19:14:52 < Mangy_Dog> woof bang bark ratatrataratartartaertrartrarrtatraratrtrararara (machine gun)
2020-03-31T19:15:26 < Laurenceb> its funny because private security forces can have guns in britbong land
2020-03-31T19:15:42 < Laurenceb> say hi to ur blackwater overlords
2020-03-31T19:15:47 < englishman> haha
2020-03-31T19:15:51 < Mangy_Dog> well not exsactly
2020-03-31T19:15:52 < englishman> someone call the mall police
2020-03-31T19:16:00 < Mangy_Dog> not in the UK they cant
2020-03-31T19:16:20 < Laurenceb> Mangy_Dog wrong, its buried in the small print of the firearms acts
2020-03-31T19:16:23 < Mangy_Dog> there are special services that can carry guns such as VIP security for the monarch and PM
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2020-03-31T19:16:34 < Laurenceb> Mangy_Dog: nope
2020-03-31T19:16:44 < Mangy_Dog> but body guard for justine timberlake cant carry
2020-03-31T19:16:46 < Mangy_Dog> in the uk
2020-03-31T19:16:48 < Laurenceb> with the right loicense private security can carry
2020-03-31T19:16:51 < Laurenceb> yes he can
2020-03-31T19:17:05 < englishman> Laurenceb: canada actually does have a concealed carry permit
2020-03-31T19:17:13 < englishman> so anyone can technically carry a pistol
2020-03-31T19:17:17 < englishman> there is a licence for it
2020-03-31T19:17:25 < englishman> but you know how many have been issued? one
2020-03-31T19:17:27 < Mangy_Dog> anyway doing my social distance shop
2020-03-31T19:17:27 < englishman> literally
2020-03-31T19:17:31 < Mangy_Dog> see you in a bit
2020-03-31T19:17:36 < Laurenceb> Mandy_Dog: I've seen armed private security in London
2020-03-31T19:17:50 < Laurenceb> but they usually work closely with the police/army etc
2020-03-31T19:18:01 < Mangy_Dog> you sure they wernt for dignitaries?
2020-03-31T19:18:17 < Laurenceb> yup
2020-03-31T19:18:19 < Mangy_Dog> around embasies?
2020-03-31T19:18:36 < Mangy_Dog> spelling
2020-03-31T19:18:42 < Mangy_Dog> anyway really i have to go
2020-03-31T19:26:22 < Steffanx> heh, that's even faker than i expected Mangy_Dog.
2020-03-31T19:26:38 < Steffanx> even the revision is A and not X as the marking said
2020-03-31T19:27:45 < Steffanx> is there a list with device ids to see if indeed 0x412 corresponds with C6? (not sure if those ids are even that specific). I hardly look at those ids
2020-03-31T19:36:52 < Steffanx> So how mad are you at dutchland BrainDamage?
2020-03-31T19:37:52 < Steffanx> The italians dont seem to be too happy with dutchland. 
2020-03-31T19:39:04 < Steffanx> According to a letter in a german news paper: https://twitter.com/mousmar/status/1244734872234733569/photo/1
2020-03-31T19:39:15 < Steffanx> (its in german)
2020-03-31T19:43:56 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXDU-XN9Mxs
2020-03-31T19:50:11 < boddax> where happy not mad
2020-03-31T19:52:20 < boddax> hopefully we can out soon from this steel cage
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2020-03-31T20:38:28 < englishman> musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hTIc6LsqD0
2020-03-31T20:39:38 < Steffanx> Is englishman on COVID-0x13?
2020-03-31T20:40:25 < Steffanx> or is it just the lock down driving you crazy
2020-03-31T20:41:42 < antto> why does it sound like a mouse is singing/mumbling sumfin
2020-03-31T20:46:01 < Mangy_Dog> nodnods steffanx
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2020-03-31T20:46:11 < Mangy_Dog> well ordered another batch
2020-03-31T20:46:23 < Mangy_Dog> lets see if this new seller is ligit
2020-03-31T20:46:26 < antto> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MS_CJMcjZY
2020-03-31T20:46:29 < Mangy_Dog> the image of his trey seems to be ligit
2020-03-31T20:46:32 < Steffanx> Google already told me 0x412 is indeed C6. 
2020-03-31T20:46:39 < Mangy_Dog> nods
2020-03-31T20:46:45 < Steffanx> cant try lcsc for semi-cheap?
2020-03-31T20:46:52 < englishman> or digikey
2020-03-31T20:47:01 < Steffanx> i'd trust them more than random sketchy aliexpress
2020-03-31T20:47:02 < Mangy_Dog> not tried them
2020-03-31T20:47:04 < Steffanx> or digikey
2020-03-31T20:47:10 < Mangy_Dog> i should try them
2020-03-31T20:47:13 < englishman> or ARROW
2020-03-31T20:47:17 < karlp> great, found a usb 1.1 FS hub to connect these webcams too.
2020-03-31T20:47:19 < Mangy_Dog> arerows good
2020-03-31T20:47:25 < Mangy_Dog> but i need a large minimum order to make it viable
2020-03-31T20:47:27 < karlp> now they don't give errors on insertion, but they still don't work.
2020-03-31T20:47:30 < Mangy_Dog> as im importing from states to uk
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2020-03-31T20:47:59 < Mangy_Dog> my locals are RS and farnell
2020-03-31T20:47:59 < karlp> or farnell
2020-03-31T20:48:09 < Mangy_Dog> RS want something like 5 quid per chip
2020-03-31T20:48:12 < Mangy_Dog> farnell roughly the same
2020-03-31T20:48:35 < karlp> how many hours have you7 spent wanking over it not working? and waiting for shipping?
2020-03-31T20:49:08 < Mangy_Dog> about it not working? 1 hour
2020-03-31T20:49:16 < Mangy_Dog> i just been shopping for food :p
2020-03-31T20:49:32 < Steffanx> lol karlp, had a long day today?
2020-03-31T20:50:36 < englishman> Free delivery to United Kingdom on orders of £33 or more.
2020-03-31T20:50:37 < Steffanx> How i imagine karlp atm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsQBrbJ9T3M
2020-03-31T20:50:39 < englishman> - digikey
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2020-03-31T20:51:05  * karlp laughs
2020-03-31T20:51:16 < englishman> https://www.tme.eu/en/details/stm32f103cbt6/st-microcontrollers/stmicroelectronics/
2020-03-31T20:51:42 < englishman> free shipping over 33gbp - mouser
2020-03-31T20:52:20 < karlp> so how much did mangy "save" ?
2020-03-31T20:53:07 < englishman> maybe he did it just for the youtube revenue
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2020-03-31T20:54:02 < Steffanx> Get some nuts.
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2020-03-31T21:00:28 < fenugrec> karlp, webcam over USB 1.1 ? bleeding edge
2020-03-31T21:01:49 < jpa-> Steffanx: funny, i always imagine *you* without clothes, not karlp
2020-03-31T21:02:51 < Thorn> https://www.arabnews.com/node/1650646/world
2020-03-31T21:03:05 < Steffanx> lol jpa-. only tcth had that privilege.
2020-03-31T21:03:33 < karlp> fenugrec: well, they were/are old 640x480 usb-fs webcames,
2020-03-31T21:03:52 < karlp> and they weren't working, so I was hopingt they might work if they were on a usb-fs hub, instead of the usb2 and usb3 ports I had.
2020-03-31T21:03:58 < karlp> no luck though,
2020-03-31T21:04:17 < karlp> one of them works in a windows vm... but not in linux, which is ... yay. for 10 year old branded hardware
2020-03-31T21:04:27 < fenugrec> why, I know exactly the type. I have an Intel potatocam from 2002 that does 640x480 , grainy as a sandbox
2020-03-31T21:05:09 < karlp> my desktop pc is much faster than my work laptop, was hopgint have video calls and shit with just one computer, not two :)
2020-03-31T21:05:21 < karlp> webcams all sold out locally :)
2020-03-31T21:05:29 < karlp> well, rationally priced ones at least..
2020-03-31T21:08:08 < antto> NSFW musics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegFKyW1zvY
2020-03-31T21:13:16 < Steffanx> Da da antto
2020-03-31T21:19:04 < Mangy_Dog> :/ still $4 per chip isnt exsactly cheap
2020-03-31T21:19:20 < Mangy_Dog> esp with current exchange rates being damn near 1:1
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2020-03-31T21:25:21 < Mangy_Dog> anyway i ordered a few lots of these https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33008346838.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4d5Pct94
2020-03-31T21:26:04 < antto> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th0MsewOoLI ;P~
2020-03-31T21:26:04 < Mangy_Dog> the chips in photo look correct " pointy c " the fact that the picture is cheaply packaged in tape means that they didnt just use a stock image :p
2020-03-31T21:26:13 < Mangy_Dog> they might be refirbished
2020-03-31T21:26:18 < Mangy_Dog> ill test them when i get them
2020-03-31T21:26:32 < Mangy_Dog> but if theyre CBs then... ill be happy refirbished ot not
2020-03-31T21:26:34 < Mangy_Dog> or
2020-03-31T21:30:02 < PaulFertser> Mangy_Dog: have you tried running the tool referenced from https://github.com/keirf/Greaseweazle/wiki/STM32-Fakes on that fake chip?
2020-03-31T21:31:02 < tcth> Steffanx heh
2020-03-31T21:31:18 < tcth> Steffanx, I still have the couch
2020-03-31T21:31:36 < Steffanx>  \o/
2020-03-31T21:35:46 < Mangy_Dog> paul some one just commented me that exsact thing on youtube
2020-03-31T21:35:55 < Mangy_Dog> out of interest.... what do i compile it in?
2020-03-31T21:36:54 < Mangy_Dog> oh its already got hex
2020-03-31T21:37:42 < Mangy_Dog> sooo i upload the hex via stlink util and run serial monitor through usb?
2020-03-31T21:38:04 < PaulFertser> Mangy_Dog: I think you're supposed to look at real UART output of the thing.
2020-03-31T21:38:17 < Mangy_Dog> oh
2020-03-31T21:38:24 < Mangy_Dog> my boards arent setup for that
2020-03-31T21:38:38 < Mangy_Dog> just vertual serial through usb
2020-03-31T21:38:58 < Mangy_Dog> virtual
2020-03-31T21:39:06 < PaulFertser> Mangy_Dog: you can see it with debugger I guess.
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2020-03-31T21:41:11 < Mangy_Dog> theres no debugger in stlink util is there?
2020-03-31T21:42:03 < PaulFertser> Mangy_Dog: ahem? I'd just run openocd , gdb and put breakpoint on printk() function.
2020-03-31T21:43:12 < Mangy_Dog> k
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2020-03-31T21:46:38 < Mangy_Dog> is there a precompiled verson of openocd?
2020-03-31T21:47:40 < englishman> https://globalnews.ca/news/6755847/coronavirus-hamilton-drug-dealer-non-essential-business/
2020-03-31T21:47:58 < Mangy_Dog> lol
2020-03-31T21:48:08 < PaulFertser> Mangy_Dog: openocd is included in all major distros, yes.
2020-03-31T21:48:09 < Thorn> Mangy_Dog: https://github.com/xpack-dev-tools/openocd-xpack/releases/
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2020-03-31T21:49:21 < Steffanx> I always wonder if those chinese even know its a kinda fake chip they're selling
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2020-03-31T22:04:01 < Mangy_Dog> yeah its fair to say they probably dont know
2020-03-31T22:04:13 < Mangy_Dog> or dont question the legitimacy
2020-03-31T22:04:38 < Mangy_Dog> Thorn any for windows? :D
2020-03-31T22:04:55 < Mangy_Dog> oh wait no
2020-03-31T22:04:57 < Mangy_Dog> found it :D
2020-03-31T22:07:00 < Mangy_Dog> ok tried to run it in command line
2020-03-31T22:07:05 < Mangy_Dog> no idea what to do with it
2020-03-31T22:07:05 < Mangy_Dog> :/
2020-03-31T22:09:32 < Mangy_Dog> nm I need to swap these chips out with the C8s i have
2020-03-31T22:09:56 < Mangy_Dog> the people i m sending them to are comfortable with the lower flash
2020-03-31T22:10:05 < Mangy_Dog> of the C8 not the C6
2020-03-31T22:11:32 < Mangy_Dog> wait i have some Cb dev boards i can harvest chips off
2020-03-31T22:18:32 < englishman> openocd on windows? surely you can use the wonderful st-link utility 
2020-03-31T22:22:27 < Mangy_Dog> that doesnt have any kind of debug out though
2020-03-31T22:22:29 < Mangy_Dog> just memory
2020-03-31T22:22:35 < Mangy_Dog> and flash read out
2020-03-31T22:23:02 < Mangy_Dog> debug i mean like a serial out or code following
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2020-03-31T22:31:33 < englishman> ozone to the rescue
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2020-03-31T22:35:44 < Mangy_Dog> ?
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2020-03-31T23:12:46 < Steffanx> Segger ozone Mangy_Dog.
2020-03-31T23:13:41 < Steffanx> but Ozone and a hex file.. meh. I'd rather use jflash (lite) in that case
2020-03-31T23:13:48 < Steffanx> oh this is not a hex file, never mind
2020-03-31T23:13:50 < Steffanx> then ozone :P
2020-03-31T23:14:16 < Steffanx> but you'll have to use a command line tool to replace the stlink firmware with jlink fw.
2020-03-31T23:14:25 < Steffanx> semi-command line actually
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2020-03-31T23:41:37 < specing> Does st-flash fail every other time for anyone else?
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2020-03-31T23:45:37 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zHNBKcD2bOfEkDz1lPD_VYau2oQz2h6m/view?usp=sharing nand emulator gets simplified
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