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2021-06-01T04:33:23 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/memcculloch
2021-06-01T04:33:27 < Laurenceb> >proud father
2021-06-01T04:33:33 < Laurenceb> Darwin failed again
2021-06-01T04:33:42 < Laurenceb> babby emdriver formed
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2021-06-01T15:12:24 < Steffann> Jadew are you out of you sars-cov-2 hiding yet?
2021-06-01T15:53:30 < Steffann> If yes,  its time to go back https://apnews.com/article/china-bird-flu-flu-health-b5862e1d9892b25fdb470abf30432289
2021-06-01T16:04:03 < qyx> it§s only a flu
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2021-06-01T19:25:47 < jadew> Steffann, yeah, I actually took care of my grandmother for a little over a week while she went through covid
2021-06-01T19:27:01 < jadew> first day in, I just stopped caring to the point that I just drank from bottles I just bought, without disinfecting them
2021-06-01T19:28:47 < jadew> if the bird flu thing is as dangerous as covid, maybe we learned something and we stop flying people out of china for a while
2021-06-01T19:29:31 < Steffann> Lol no, we didn't learn anything 
2021-06-01T19:31:42 < jadew> "but the risk of large-scale spread is low, the government said Tuesday" - oh, ok I guess we'll just trust them because they've been very upfront in the past
2021-06-01T19:32:27 < jadew> I got a 5 GHz router today
2021-06-01T19:32:41 < jadew> amazing improvement over 2.4 GHz
2021-06-01T19:33:13 < jadew> first of all, I seem to be the only one in range using 5 GHz for now, which means there's no interference
2021-06-01T19:33:19 < jadew> at least not from other routers
2021-06-01T19:33:34 < jadew> and it works almost as well as on cable (866 Mbps)
2021-06-01T19:34:35 < jadew> I was worried my new laptop would suck because it didn't have an ethernet port, but with such high transfer speeds you don't really need a wired connection
2021-06-01T19:34:46 < jadew> the improvement would be marginal
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2021-06-01T21:02:01 < karlp> 5gig is great right up until it isn't.
2021-06-01T21:02:17 < karlp> you get way less range, and way less penetration.
2021-06-01T21:02:25 < karlp> but yeah, when it's working well, it's pretty good.
2021-06-01T21:09:45 < zyp> isn't less range mostly the effect of geting less penetration?
2021-06-01T21:10:26 < zyp> less penetration is good, means less noise from other networks
2021-06-01T21:10:45 < jpa-> https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/jpacad.jpg   this homebrew cad tool has really improved the productivity of our R&D department; i should probably open source it and compete with kicad
2021-06-01T21:11:33 < zyp> my dad had a bunch of stencils like that when I was a kid
2021-06-01T21:15:00 < zyp> my wifi stuff is reporting that it's seeing 14 other networks in range
2021-06-01T21:15:12 < zyp> 11 of them on 2.4G, two on 5G and one on both
2021-06-01T21:21:30 < zyp> two of them appears to be google cast devices' hidden networks, and then there's three devices that's probably some sort of mesh
2021-06-01T21:27:33 < karlp> decided to abort silabs experiments, focus on stm32wb, now I can't get swo working in cube ide again.  I love software. it's awesome.
2021-06-01T21:35:17 < qyx> go wl, subgig is the future
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2021-06-01T22:22:44 < Laurenceb> woah its working
2021-06-01T22:23:05 < Laurenceb> failnode
2021-06-01T22:23:38 < Steffann> the only one failing must be you then
2021-06-01T22:26:27  * Laurenceb has been vaxoomed
2021-06-01T22:26:44 < Laurenceb> this biontech shit is pretty powerful
2021-06-01T22:26:57 < Laurenceb> my entire upper arm feels completely dead
2021-06-01T22:27:36 < Laurenceb> presumably because all the muscle cells have been RNA'd
2021-06-01T22:27:53 < Steffann> lets hope it spreads to the brain.
2021-06-01T22:28:22 < Laurenceb> top trawl
2021-06-01T22:31:32 < Steffann> thanks
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2021-06-01T23:23:00 < qyx> jpa-: haha my varints are upside down
2021-06-01T23:41:37 < mawk> zyp
2021-06-01T23:41:40 < mawk> Two nonhorizontal, non vertical lines in the xy-coordinate plane intersect to form a 45° angle. One line has slope equal to 6 times the slope of the other line. What is the greatest possible value of the product of the slopes of the two lines?
2021-06-01T23:42:06 < zyp> 42
2021-06-01T23:43:23 < zyp> this sounds like a fairly simple problem with two unknowns
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2021-06-01T23:52:32 < quinor> hey guys, I've got an stm32f446re discovery board that display some low level weirdness and I think it might be fake. is there a good method of recognizing good/fake chips?
2021-06-01T23:54:04 < quinor> the markings on the chip I have my doubts about: https://imgur.com/a/leCodpd
2021-06-01T23:55:13 < quinor> I've got a second board of the same model (3 years younger though) and the new board has got a much nicer silkscreen and the engraving is much better visible on the chip's packaging
2021-06-01T23:56:41 < qyx> could you elaborate?
2021-06-01T23:56:48 < qyx> what weirdness?
2021-06-01T23:58:06 < quinor> that's the deep rabbit hole I wanted to omit but the story is "fun" so hell yeah
2021-06-01T23:58:33 < quinor> tl;dr: I'm working on some very high performance dsp code
2021-06-01T23:58:59 < quinor> when testing I've discovered some exotic performance bugs I could not explain
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2021-06-02T00:00:05 < quinor> then a very weird thing happened: I've got 2 versions of the program. slow (A) and fast(B). I 1) flash a new version of the program 2) hit the reset button, I get some diagnostic + perf data on the serial output
2021-06-02T00:00:56 < quinor> I ran A, got "low" perf readings (correct), then B, got "low" perf readings (incorrect), reset power on the board by unplugging the cable and got "high" perf readings (correct)
2021-06-02T00:01:09 < quinor> I did not reflash the board between low and high perf readings on program B
2021-06-02T00:01:40 < qyx> you know ram contents are not cleared on reset?
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2021-06-02T00:02:01 < quinor> yeah, I also made sure the control flow is not data-dependent
2021-06-02T00:03:52 < quinor> so I'm trying to figure out whether maybe the chip is fake
2021-06-02T00:04:11 < quinor> as one of the options
2021-06-02T00:08:20 < zyp> mawk, 1.5, also I was overthinking it
2021-06-02T00:13:44 < zyp> say slope is x, formula becomes arctan(x) = arctan(6x) - 45deg, solutions are x = 1/2 and x = 1/3
2021-06-02T00:14:11 < zyp> your product is x**2 * 6, the largest one thus being 1.5
2021-06-02T00:15:38 < mawk> yes
2021-06-02T00:15:52 < mawk> how did you compute the arctan(x) = arctan(6x) - 45° thing zyp ?
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2021-06-02T00:17:25 < mawk> I did θ - φ = 45°, tan(θ) = 6p, tan(φ) = p
2021-06-02T00:17:36 < mawk> so tan(θ - φ) = 1
2021-06-02T00:18:10 < mawk> and tan(a-b) = (tan(a)-tan(b))/(1 + tan(a)tan(b)) as everyone knows
2021-06-02T00:18:22 < mawk> is that how you did it zyp ?
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2021-06-02T00:24:07 < zyp> I put it into wolframalpha and got the solutions
2021-06-02T00:32:13 < Steffann> lol i was confused for a bit and went by nick colouring instead of nick name and thought zyp said " and tan(a-b) = (tan(a)-tan(b))/(1 + tan(a)tan(b)) as everyone knows" 
2021-06-02T00:32:20 < Steffann> only mawk would say something like that
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2021-06-02T02:16:15 < mawk> cheater zyp 
2021-06-02T02:16:35 < mawk> use the well known tan formula for this arctan equation
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2021-06-02T03:13:08 < kakium69> h3llo night
2021-06-02T03:13:18 < kakium69> I found good musics
2021-06-02T03:14:19 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5V-XUQ1J7s
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2021-06-02T03:20:04 < kakium69> night lurence
2021-06-02T03:21:14 < Laurenceb> bright and white
2021-06-02T03:21:30 < Laurenceb> is the sun racist?
2021-06-02T03:22:41 < kakium69> lurence from da dark side
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2021-06-02T08:00:09 < machinehum> Where the fuck do I torrent Gringo: The Dangerous Life of John McAfee
2021-06-02T08:00:13 < machinehum> ????
2021-06-02T08:01:33 < machinehum> There's only one fucking seeder and I know it's the cunt himself
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2021-06-02T12:55:40 < karlp> neat, new nucleo board only has the mini compact partial shroud cortex debug header, no 6pin "stlink" anymore 
2021-06-02T12:56:19 < karlp> has the 10pin standard mounted, but a footprint for the new 14pin st bullshit
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2021-06-02T13:56:43 < karlp> in related news, now that this nucleo board has arrived, I still continue to receive my mails about it having shipped every five minutes...
2021-06-02T13:57:27 < ventyl_> hope that there's a bug in shipping system, receive naval container worth of nucleos, profit
2021-06-02T13:59:23 < ventyl_> PaulFertser_: btw, be aware of the fact that latest Pinebook batch was put together out of questionable quality HW. Chinesium didn't pass any kind of QC, so flash in keyboard controller can sustain like 8 rewrites
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2021-06-02T14:20:16 < PaulFertser_> ventyl_: oh, no, haven't heard about it. Sounds nasty
2021-06-02T14:21:09 < ventyl_> there are mentions here and there. chip hell makes chineese sell everything
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2021-06-02T14:36:26 < karlp> BrainDamage: enjoying your holiday? I went to the effort of working the morning for some feedback for some italians, and just get the "nope, back tomorrow!" email :)
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2021-06-02T14:37:29 < BrainDamage> yeah, we got a few holidays clustered in this period
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2021-06-02T15:21:49 < BrainDamage> scratch that, my asshole father with alzheimer got strong pain and my mother is in panic
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2021-06-02T15:25:51 < Steffann> Hmpf
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2021-06-02T16:12:33 < fenugrec> I love the ebyte E32 datasheet. TTL IO spec voltage limits has : "For 5V TTL, it may be at risk of burning down"
2021-06-02T16:12:38 < fenugrec> better call my house insurance
2021-06-02T16:14:58 < aandrew> fucking LOL
2021-06-02T16:15:01 < aandrew> "Biden to beef up cyberdefence after meat processing plant hack"
2021-06-02T16:15:44 < jadew> they're installing a firewall?
2021-06-02T16:16:09 < BrainDamage> they'll hire someon who can type really fast
2021-06-02T16:16:31 < BrainDamage> also, meat processing ... sounds like soylent plant
2021-06-02T16:16:57 < jadew> btw, what's going on with the space force?
2021-06-02T16:17:39 < jadew> is that still a thing?
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2021-06-02T17:33:02 < Laurenceb> keeekkk memetic
2021-06-02T17:33:09 < Laurenceb> sounds like a bad sci-fi movie
2021-06-02T17:33:28 < Laurenceb> how come systems designed by pros never get hacked
2021-06-02T17:33:35 < Laurenceb> really gives the cranium a workout
2021-06-02T17:35:57 < jadew> speaking of that, I've managed a server that was running > 600 websites, lots of services, etc for 12 years, never got hacked
2021-06-02T17:36:07 < jadew> my secret was that I didn't allow anyone to put opensource crap on it
2021-06-02T17:36:22 < jadew> other than the distro ofc, which I managed
2021-06-02T17:36:51 < jadew> all the other servers I assigned to various projects I didn't trust, got hacked multiple times
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2021-06-02T18:52:00 < qyx> how laurenceb arm today
2021-06-02T18:52:04 < qyx> *how's
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2021-06-02T20:48:35 < ventyl_> jadew: by opensource crap you mean wordpress & co?
2021-06-02T20:50:10 < jadew> and other stuff, but yeah
2021-06-02T20:51:06 < ventyl_> yeah, those are plain PITA
2021-06-02T20:51:25 < ventyl_> you have to be subscribed to about a dozen of security mailinglists
2021-06-02T20:52:09 < BrainDamage> I think many people use dynamic content generators when static would suffice
2021-06-02T20:52:48 < ventyl_> and javascript
2021-06-02T20:52:50 < jadew> static means you know how to write HTML
2021-06-02T20:53:00 < jadew> javascript won't introduce security issues tho
2021-06-02T20:53:15 < BrainDamage> not necessarily, you can have translation tool
2021-06-02T20:53:18 < ventyl_> not at server side, but on client side it can
2021-06-02T20:53:28 < BrainDamage> it just doesn't have to be run by the server
2021-06-02T20:53:32 < BrainDamage> or continously
2021-06-02T20:53:49 < ventyl_> and yeah, you can have stuff which generates HTML out of wiki syntax or markdown
2021-06-02T20:53:52 < jadew> well, most engines are able to do that on the fly
2021-06-02T20:54:02 < jadew> they keep a cache after a page has been generated
2021-06-02T20:54:06 < jadew> and then just serve that
2021-06-02T20:54:12 < BrainDamage> yes, but it's stupid to do it
2021-06-02T20:54:17 < ventyl_> my latest iteration of homepage used to be like that. it was just a bunch of markdown files and extremely fugly bash script which generated static HTML out of it
2021-06-02T20:54:40 < BrainDamage> exactly because the only thing it saves is hd space
2021-06-02T20:54:41 < jadew> BrainDamage, it sounds too cumbersome to change/generate/upload
2021-06-02T20:54:51 < jadew> rather than just change and let things happen
2021-06-02T20:55:08 < ventyl_> nothing rsync and cron would deal with
2021-06-02T20:55:14 < ventyl_> woudln'
2021-06-02T20:55:15 < ventyl_> t
2021-06-02T20:55:19 < ventyl_> fucking ANSI keyboards
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2021-06-02T20:55:59 < jadew> it just sounds like more setup than you need
2021-06-02T20:56:19 < jadew> also, you'd have to prepare the user's machine (the user being the person who owns the content)
2021-06-02T20:56:22 < ventyl_> it bothers me to log into some web interface to redact my webpage
2021-06-02T20:56:33 < ventyl_> with this setup I had just a folder, which was mirrored onto webserver
2021-06-02T20:56:43 < ventyl_> and webserver ran cronjob
2021-06-02T20:56:59 < ventyl_> so I just uploaded .md file and related resources and then didn't care about it anymore
2021-06-02T20:57:03 < jadew> right, and if you have 20 users who are supposed to do the same thing you do, on the same server
2021-06-02T20:57:21 < jadew> don't you think it would be simpler to just have a webpage that can edit itself?
2021-06-02T20:57:22 < ventyl_> oh well, this was just a personal webpage. completely different kind of bussines
2021-06-02T20:58:00 < ventyl_> I just got bored of all the fanciness of PHP/MySQL for just a bunch of pages hosting static content
2021-06-02T20:58:05 < jadew> well, even so, it's simpler for most people to just use something ready made that just does whatever they need done
2021-06-02T20:58:17 < ventyl_> yeah, but I am a creep
2021-06-02T20:58:27 < jadew> I agree that most things don't have to be dynamic, but most people don't care about that distinction, they just need shit done
2021-06-02T20:58:37 < ventyl_> I build my personal webpage in bash and write my own operating systems
2021-06-02T20:58:52 < ventyl_> and compilers
2021-06-02T20:59:29 < jadew> is your name Terry?
2021-06-02T20:59:35 < ventyl_> nein
2021-06-02T21:00:04 < jadew> you would have liked that guy
2021-06-02T21:00:25 < ventyl_> the fact that I do retarded stuff doesn't automatically mean I like creepy people
2021-06-02T21:04:14 < jadew> I didn't find him creepy
2021-06-02T21:04:33 < qyx> are you Terry?
2021-06-02T21:04:38 < ventyl_> also, I wrote my last compiler and virtual machine about a decade ago
2021-06-02T21:04:50 < ventyl_> but it is still useful
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2021-06-02T21:17:10  * karlp holds his nose and installs autotools and libtool
2021-06-02T21:20:50 < zyp> enjoy
2021-06-02T21:24:13 < karlp> re: wordpress, at least tehse days they autoupdate themselves, so it's not just "oh, there was a breanch, we're reinstalling all these servers again"
2021-06-02T21:24:38 < karlp> so these days it's a pretty rational choice for "here, I put wordpress on a Vhost, here's your login, you can do what you want with it"
2021-06-02T21:24:45 < karlp> compared to eg, wix, et al.
2021-06-02T21:26:08 < zyp> wife wanted to try some blogging a couple of years ago, so I just spun up a wordpress docker container
2021-06-02T21:26:21 < zyp> also made it easy to clean up once she got tired of it
2021-06-02T21:26:32 < jadew> you can get free hosting for blogs
2021-06-02T21:26:36 < jadew> no need to take any risk
2021-06-02T21:26:51 < karlp> freehosting is prety hard to use your own domain with.
2021-06-02T21:26:57 < jadew> my wife wanted to try blogging too, so I just bought her a domain name and set her up with free blog hosting
2021-06-02T21:27:03 < karlp> and if you're not usingyour own domain, you'ðre someone else's product.
2021-06-02T21:27:20 < jadew> it was easy
2021-06-02T21:27:29 < jadew> at least at the time
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2021-06-02T21:29:18 < jadew> that reminds me, I have to renew her domain that she never used
2021-06-02T21:30:04 < zyp> I still got the playbook for spinning it up: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/QYNSX
2021-06-02T21:31:22 < jadew> I have to play with docker...
2021-06-02T21:31:27 < jadew> never used it
2021-06-02T21:31:42 < jadew> I just spawn new VMs if I need something
2021-06-02T21:32:05 < zyp> yeah, that's what containers are for, just without the tediousness
2021-06-02T21:32:33 < jadew> when I read on it, it said that it's meant to run one process and when the process stops the whole thing stops
2021-06-02T21:32:42 < jadew> which complicated things in my mind
2021-06-02T21:32:53 < zyp> that's common, but not required
2021-06-02T21:33:10 < BrainDamage> that's microservices
2021-06-02T21:33:28 < BrainDamage> containers are like a linux installation, minus the kernel
2021-06-02T21:34:05 < jadew> well, that part I understood, the fact that a dead process kills your whole instance was what made me look away
2021-06-02T21:34:11 < zyp> it's possible to run init in a container if you want to, but if the container is only gonna run a single app anyway you might as well just run that as init
2021-06-02T21:34:21 < BrainDamage> that's absolutely not true
2021-06-02T21:34:23 < jadew> if it can keep going, then it's something I need to revisit
2021-06-02T21:34:45 < zyp> it absolutely can, but for most containers that's pointless
2021-06-02T21:35:10 < jadew> well, I'm thinking that maybe I can run like a website inside a docker container
2021-06-02T21:35:23 < BrainDamage> sure you can
2021-06-02T21:35:35 < zyp> yeah, so what's the container supposed to do if the httpd dies?
2021-06-02T21:35:38 < jadew> which collects files and things like that over time - I don't want that stuff to go away no matter what
2021-06-02T21:36:05 < jadew> zyp, stay there until I restart it?
2021-06-02T21:36:19 < jadew> until I restart httpd
2021-06-02T21:36:20 < zyp> ah, containers aren't destroyed just because they die
2021-06-02T21:36:51 < zyp> but generally you put any state you want to keep on a volume that's mounted into the container
2021-06-02T21:37:06 < jadew> so if you generate a bunch of invoices let's say, you can still recover them once the http server dies?
2021-06-02T21:37:18 < zyp> container state persists across stop/restart
2021-06-02T21:37:27 < jadew> I see
2021-06-02T21:37:39 < zyp> but upgrading usually happens by destroying the existing container and creating a new one from a newer image
2021-06-02T21:38:07 < zyp> so you should still treat it as disposable and put stuff you want to keep on a volume
2021-06-02T21:38:33 < jadew> well, that's manageable, if it only happens during an upgrade, because that's how I do upgrades now anyway
2021-06-02T21:38:46 < jadew> I make a backup, remove everything, upload the new stuff
2021-06-02T21:38:49 < zyp> if you look at the playbook I pasted, it creates one volume for wordpress data and one volume for the mysql db, and then they are mounted into the wordpress and mysql containers respectively
2021-06-02T21:38:59 < jadew> I noticed
2021-06-02T21:39:10 < zyp> that's where all data to be kept is stored
2021-06-02T21:39:43 < zyp> IMO that makes a clean divide between disposable and important data
2021-06-02T21:40:11 < jadew> yeah, sounds good
2021-06-02T21:40:49 < zyp> and tying container lifetime to process lifetime means you don't need to have process manager logic inside the container, you can just tell the container runtime to restart the container if it dies
2021-06-02T21:41:41 < jadew> I see, I probably read the wrong tutorials, they implied that once the main process dies, everything is gone
2021-06-02T21:42:19 < jadew> which meant that I would have to find a solution to store thing permanently on the main OS
2021-06-02T21:42:33 < zyp> yeah, no, that wouldn't make sense :p
2021-06-02T21:42:37 < qyx> this is because docker tutorials are written by windows webdev millenials
2021-06-02T21:44:19 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/wqQ9K.png
2021-06-02T21:45:07 < zyp> that yocto container got a random generated name, because I didn't name it explicitly :p
2021-06-02T21:45:34 < BrainDamage> I am using home assistant too
2021-06-02T21:45:46 < ventyl_> I also need to renew my domain
2021-06-02T21:45:56 < ventyl_> but there wasn't anything there for more than a year
2021-06-02T21:46:03 < ventyl_> so I will probably let it go
2021-06-02T21:46:16 < ventyl_> maybe some beergarden will take it over
2021-06-02T21:46:41 < zyp> the plex container runs a full init, which is why it reports healthy
2021-06-02T21:47:43 < zyp> if you set the main process as init then it can only be running or stopped, but the plex container can potentially keep running in an unhealthy state if the main process dies
2021-06-02T21:47:52 < zyp> idk, has never happened though
2021-06-02T21:50:53 < jadew> can you connect over ssh to it and restart it?
2021-06-02T21:51:23 < jadew> or you would have to install ssh too?
2021-06-02T21:53:29 < zyp> you can just attach to it
2021-06-02T21:54:37 < zyp> zyp@rin ~ $ docker exec -it plex bash
2021-06-02T21:54:37 < zyp> root@plex:/# 
2021-06-02T21:54:58 < jadew> ok, it makes sense now
2021-06-02T21:55:01 < jadew> I need to try it out
2021-06-02T21:55:45 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/a9XCM
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2021-06-03T00:22:27 < BrainDamage> https://nitter.snopyta.org/BleepinComputer/status/1400140054283051013
2021-06-03T00:43:09 < karlp> is that meant to say rate limited?
2021-06-03T00:43:47 < karlp> ok, no, https://nitter.pussthecat.org/BleepinComputer/status/1400140054283051013 (currently works)
2021-06-03T00:58:33 < ventyl_> some instances may be rate limited now and then
2021-06-03T00:58:40 < ventyl_> if more than three people are using them in short time
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2021-06-03T01:36:48 < BrainDamage> it's somewhat recent change
2021-06-03T01:37:06 < BrainDamage> as in, I think twitter noticed the api abuse, and took countermeasures
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2021-06-03T01:53:08 < Laurenceb> >using twitter
2021-06-03T01:53:22 < Laurenceb> less retarded than faceberg I guess
2021-06-03T01:53:32 < Laurenceb> but thats like saying ur smarter than a qtard
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2021-06-03T01:53:52 < Laurenceb> faceberg is literally
2021-06-03T01:54:07 < Laurenceb> while() {printf("cute cat lmao\r\n");}
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2021-06-03T03:12:12 < Laurenceb> the absolute state of hyperloop
2021-06-03T03:12:23 < Laurenceb> >they just remembered they have PoE onboard
2021-06-03T03:12:34 < Laurenceb> after we spend two weeks working on a power supply
2021-06-03T03:15:14 < kakium69> is hyperloop real?
2021-06-03T03:15:40 < kakium69> and what is hyperloop?
2021-06-03T03:16:04 < kakium69> vacuum trains going speed of sound?
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2021-06-03T03:25:07 < kakium69> so many things are called hyperloops
2021-06-03T03:32:12 < kakium69> any pipe
2021-06-03T03:32:26 < kakium69> dig a tunnel - it's hyperloop too
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2021-06-03T06:05:25 < r2com> has anyone tried making lldb work with blackmagic probe, or its not possible and it will only work with gdb
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2021-06-03T08:14:19 < jpa-> r2com: lldb supports gdb-remote protocol, so theoretically it should work
2021-06-03T08:29:31 < r2com> yea
2021-06-03T08:29:55 < r2com> um but i think i wont use clang for now , it doesnt support few latest features of c++20 i want
2021-06-03T08:30:06 < r2com> it lags from gcc, but just by a little
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2021-06-03T09:29:10 < R2COM> uh
2021-06-03T09:29:27 < R2COM> why would linker complain : cannot find -lc
2021-06-03T09:29:46 < R2COM> darn.. seems like i had more luck setting up automated build system with scons on win10 than freebsd
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2021-06-03T15:04:05 < fenugrec> does anyone know a place that can sell one-offs of preprogrammed EEPROM chips (e.g. 28C64 etc)
2021-06-03T15:06:07 < zyp> why do you want it preprogrammed if it's a one off?
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2021-06-03T15:35:02 < englishman> you can get microchip preflashed right on their website
2021-06-03T15:38:12 < fenugrec> englishman, mchip doesn't do preprogrammed parallel EEPROms I think. Zyp, it's for someone else, otherwise they have to ship it to me to program then back
2021-06-03T15:38:58 < fenugrec> maybe arcade hax0rs do this kind of thing
2021-06-03T15:39:14 < englishman> sounds like an opportunity
2021-06-03T15:41:34 < fenugrec> a nice way to stock 10k parts for the occasional 10$ order
2021-06-03T15:42:21 < fenugrec> 'can u program this moonlight-erasable PLCC13 thx'
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2021-06-03T16:13:30 < karlp> man, bluetoothctl is weird. https://false.ekta.is/2021/06/xiaomi-miijia-lywsd03mmc-with-pure-bluetoothctl/
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2021-06-03T19:44:05 < karlp> well. I have trace again.  that took an awful long time.  fuckign st docs are lame.
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2021-06-03T21:00:52 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/gG7cGJn.png I massively improved my irc experience by switching to a better font
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2021-06-03T21:18:25 < ColdKeyboard> Anyone knows a tool (possible online) that allows you to put a point from which you shoot a "vector" and then see how it bounces.
2021-06-03T21:18:51 < ColdKeyboard> Or even better you set a light source and then see how an object will cast a shadow in 2D? :0
2021-06-03T21:28:18 < BrainDamage> that's called a raytracer
2021-06-03T21:28:44 < ColdKeyboard> Any names or links come to mind that allow you to play around with multiple objects and light sources? :)
2021-06-03T21:35:19 < englishman> minecraft
2021-06-03T21:47:06 < ColdKeyboard> I need something for 2D sim. Simple like you place one or more light sources on one side. Put objects (blockers) on the screen and see how the rays propagate to other end. :)
2021-06-03T21:48:04 < karlp> just use a 3d sim and make your objects "large" 
2021-06-03T21:48:13 < karlp> you're not goinf to find a dedicated 2d modelling
2021-06-03T21:48:36 < karlp> BrainDamage: nice font.....
2021-06-03T21:55:18 < englishman> terraria
2021-06-03T21:55:54 < englishman> there's a raytracing plugin for inkscape
2021-06-03T21:56:35 < englishman> i didnt get it to work on windows unfortunately, it requires python3 but windows inkscape only supports python2, typical opensores
2021-06-03T22:14:47 < steve_> BrainDamage what client is that?
2021-06-03T22:15:39 < BrainDamage> element, a matrix client
2021-06-03T22:18:55 < steve_> neat
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2021-06-03T22:22:23 < kakium69> hello evening
2021-06-03T22:41:00 < englishman> fenugrec: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16ZbqK6tZic
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2021-06-03T22:57:03 < kakium69> little one gets tossed aside
2021-06-03T23:02:51 < fenugrec> englishman, "Caaalisss" !
2021-06-03T23:03:36 < fenugrec> are you one of the 4 subscribers of that channel
2021-06-03T23:03:47 < englishman> haha
2021-06-03T23:03:56 < fenugrec> what was that water truck doing there anyway
2021-06-03T23:04:08 < englishman> raising insurance rates for the rest of us
2021-06-03T23:04:14 < englishman> probably put there by lehouillier himself
2021-06-03T23:04:18 < fenugrec> someone has to do it I guess
2021-06-03T23:04:19 < englishman> to justify the tunnel
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2021-06-04T02:07:42 < upgrdman> what letter do you guys use for dc/dc module reference designators? u?
2021-06-04T02:09:36 < qyx> u
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2021-06-04T03:03:05 < kakium69> DCDC ofc
2021-06-04T03:03:12 < aandrew> U 
2021-06-04T03:03:56 < kakium69> I have forgot
2021-06-04T03:04:00 < kakium69> what is U?
2021-06-04T03:04:08 < kakium69> I mean why it's used?
2021-06-04T03:04:14 < aandrew> any semiconductor that is not a standard "element" (transistor, scr/thyristor, etc.) is a U
2021-06-04T03:04:18 < aandrew> not sure
2021-06-04T03:04:22 < aandrew> convention
2021-06-04T03:04:28 < aandrew> like electron flow
2021-06-04T03:04:37 < kakium69> U liek undefined
2021-06-04T03:04:47 < kakium69> U like unknown
2021-06-04T03:05:11 < kakium69> I mean it keeps it clean
2021-06-04T03:05:13 < aandrew> U like "Ugh I don't want to use a two-character designator like IC"
2021-06-04T03:05:22 < kakium69> why only two?
2021-06-04T03:05:34 < kakium69> I have used up to 4
2021-06-04T03:05:39 < aandrew> because board space is a premium
2021-06-04T03:05:54 < aandrew> I have used MODx for large user-installed modules
2021-06-04T03:06:17 < aandrew> but I think everything else has always been one char. I don't even like LD for LED or BR for bridge rectifier
2021-06-04T03:06:52 < kakium69> sure 4 + number usually is 2 times bigger than the package it's assigned for
2021-06-04T03:07:25 < kakium69> leds must be LED
2021-06-04T03:07:49 < aandrew> my silk is usually 15mil tall and 4 or 5mil "thick" 
2021-06-04T03:08:24 < aandrew> I think I've gone down to 12/3 or 12/4 but you really have to have a decent silkscreen process for that to be viable 
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2021-06-04T03:08:33 < aandrew> so long designators just don't do it for me
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2021-06-04T04:28:58 < jly> the original blackmagic was when your TV started walking away in the living room
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2021-06-04T13:32:06 < karlp> yes! st has stopped emailing me every 5 minutes!
2021-06-04T13:36:43 < zyp> yay
2021-06-04T13:48:45  * Streaker checks if st mailserver is down
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2021-06-04T14:26:52 < karlp> neat, driver explicitly reports this as untested: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/aLt6v#line-13
2021-06-04T14:28:08 < zyp> good thing you know who to email now :)
2021-06-04T14:31:48 < karlp> well, this one actually works so far.
2021-06-04T14:32:16 < karlp> fucking weird, I was assured that the rtl8723du was a fixed version of the rtl8723bu, particularly fixed bluetooth, 
2021-06-04T14:32:28 < karlp> but at least so far, the bu works, and teh du doesn't at all.
2021-06-04T14:33:01 < karlp> guess I should plug an antenna in and see if the wireless works...
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2021-06-04T17:27:30 < tct> sad story time.
2021-06-04T17:27:34 < tct> go!
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2021-06-04T17:28:45 < englishman> your peak has already come and gone
2021-06-04T17:29:10 < karlp> who would want to hear sad stories?
2021-06-04T17:30:04 < jpa-> tct: There once was a chatter here called Tectu that chatted a lot and relevant stuff; then he became a rich businessman and no longer chats. The sad end.
2021-06-04T17:30:27 < tct> jpa-, well planned.
2021-06-04T17:30:33 < tct> jpa-, well played *
2021-06-04T17:30:38 < tct> jpa-, no richness tho.
2021-06-04T17:31:38 < jpa-> why not rich?
2021-06-04T17:31:47 < karlp> had to give the gold back?
2021-06-04T17:32:09 < jpa-> bet all on bitcoin going down?
2021-06-04T17:32:29 < tct> at least you guys didn't change (:
2021-06-04T17:37:25 < Steffann> No mood swings for us?
2021-06-04T17:38:35 < Steffann> So got sad stories too tct?
2021-06-04T17:41:59 < tct> nah
2021-06-04T17:42:30 < englishman> it is illegal to be sad in swissland
2021-06-04T17:43:29 < Steffann> That's a sad story indeed, englishman 
2021-06-04T17:45:02 < Steffann> It's sad tct didn't run away from freenode
2021-06-04T17:45:11 < Steffann> Like all the cool kids
2021-06-04T17:50:46 < tct> tct hardly qualifies as a cool kid
2021-06-04T17:52:06 < BrainDamage> the cool or the kid? it can be quite cold there in swissland if you go up the mountains
2021-06-04T17:58:07 < tct> it seems like ##stm32 responses are very much desperate-friday-afternoon-ish
2021-06-04T18:49:06 < karlp> ffs, realtek wifi drivers are a fucking mess.
2021-06-04T18:49:13 < karlp> I thought this had been getting all cleaned up.
2021-06-04T18:49:53 < karlp> radxa rock pi -e uses the same module as I want to use, and they "support" it by having a separate copy of the vendor realtek driver copied in to each separate chip directory...
2021-06-04T18:50:00 < karlp> 200k lines of bullshit each time.
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2021-06-04T19:00:33 < Steffann> We missed you so much tct..
2021-06-04T19:01:06 < Steffann> And us autists don't know how to react properly to that 
2021-06-04T19:06:39 < karlp> fantastic. out of tree realtek driver mod installed, plug in device, systemd-udevd spins to 100% cpu on one core. "iw list" hangs.
2021-06-04T19:07:11 < karlp> sudo kill -9 hangs. I love computers.
2021-06-04T19:07:13 < karlp> happy friday!
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2021-06-04T19:15:34 < Steffann> Are you doing this as self torture karlp ?
2021-06-04T19:15:38 < karlp> not really.
2021-06-04T19:16:01 < karlp> I'm being "professional" and using the "best" part for the job
2021-06-04T19:16:09 < karlp> instead of separate wifi+bt chips.
2021-06-04T19:16:57 < karlp> so far this has proven to be a less than ideal solution.
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2021-06-04T19:34:07 < jpa-> btw, oldnewthing has a series on ARM thumb-2 now
2021-06-04T19:47:49 < englishman> neato, thank you
2021-06-04T20:11:41 < qyx> karlp: you should have used esp8266..
2021-06-04T20:12:08 < qyx> production progress: electrical test \o/
2021-06-04T20:14:42 < Laurenceb> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-57340739
2021-06-04T20:15:03 < Laurenceb> innovation
2021-06-04T20:15:28 < Laurenceb> >studied physics with innovation
2021-06-04T20:15:30 < Laurenceb> memetic
2021-06-04T20:20:05 < karlp> esp32 might have been an option actually. needs BTLE+wifi
2021-06-04T20:20:36 < karlp> though, I want the usb connection, not sdio.
2021-06-04T20:23:53 < karlp> esp32-s2 has usb, but no BT, esp32-c3 has this weird usb-fs only peripheral that seems to be fixed for jtag and serial?
2021-06-04T20:36:30 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOFajsMt8a8
2021-06-04T21:02:52 < Laurenceb> https://www.google.com/maps/@42.974971,131.8861939,3a,75y,15.56h,80.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svvKpCkr9zzYYuhE-jqQ6Dw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
2021-06-04T21:02:55 < Laurenceb> kek Russia
2021-06-04T21:14:06 < englishman> https://circuitmaker.com/forum#posts/246969
2021-06-04T21:17:20 < fenugrec> cool, a great opportunity to move to a subscription-based cloud shit
2021-06-04T21:18:08 < englishman> uh isnt it free?
2021-06-04T21:18:32 < fenugrec> dunno, I just saw altimu 365, usually when the name includes 365 it<s a sure sign of subscription
2021-06-04T21:19:10 < englishman> cuz the license lasts only 365 days
2021-06-04T21:19:30 < englishman> ~innovation~
2021-06-04T21:21:30 < BrainDamage> I can't wait until I'll have to pay a subscription to use my moka pot
2021-06-04T21:22:29 < fenugrec> they kind of tried something similar with the juicero 
2021-06-04T21:23:03 < BrainDamage> it's a thing already with nespresso and inkjet printers and razors
2021-06-04T21:23:25 < fenugrec> time-limited razors ? wtf
2021-06-04T21:23:50 < fenugrec> amazes me what people are willing to give up for 0.001% more convenience
2021-06-04T21:24:10 < BrainDamage> no, mega expensive disposable blades
2021-06-04T21:24:20 < BrainDamage> that last only a shave or two
2021-06-04T21:24:29 < fenugrec> oh right. Yea nothing new there. Straight razors ftw
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2021-06-04T21:26:23 < englishman> you too?
2021-06-04T21:26:32 < englishman> i got one last year
2021-06-04T21:27:32 < englishman> disposable razors just irritated me and safety razors didn't do it for me either
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2021-06-04T21:28:50 < fenugrec> I actually cheat, I have the "straight razor" formfactor that takes half-blades
2021-06-04T21:29:15 < fenugrec> e.g. the disposable 0.25$ blades that snap in half
2021-06-04T21:29:34 < fenugrec> that still last longer than mach* trash
2021-06-04T21:30:08 < englishman> i have a razor like that to trim the hair around the cat's asshole
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2021-06-04T22:32:58 < tct> incontinent cat incoming
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2021-06-04T22:44:17 < Steffann> You get incontinent from shaving your asshole, tct?
2021-06-04T22:44:40 < Steffann> Asking for a friend, ofcourse
2021-06-04T22:45:38 < tct> Steffann, not so far
2021-06-04T22:51:10 < Steffann> Did you tell your gf about irc yet tct?
2021-06-04T22:51:35 < Steffann> You've got to avoid the awkward situation
2021-06-04T22:51:42 < tct> she knows.
2021-06-04T22:51:45 < tct> she doesn't judge.
2021-06-04T22:51:45 < Steffann> awkward for you that is
2021-06-04T22:51:47 < tct> most of the itme.
2021-06-04T22:51:49 < BrainDamage> he had to, I mean, when you showed up in their bed there had to be some sort of explanation
2021-06-04T22:52:10 < tct> BrainDamage, Steffann is a regular in our sex life - well established.
2021-06-04T22:52:11 < Steffann> Wasnt that you in bed?!
2021-06-04T22:53:36 < Laurenceb> hate subscription shit
2021-06-04T22:53:51 < Laurenceb> mouser needs a weird convertion program to use their footprints
2021-06-04T22:53:56 < Laurenceb> like wtf
2021-06-04T22:54:08 < Laurenceb> I need to see if it pings a server each time its used
2021-06-04T22:55:14 < qyx> y u no custom footprints
2021-06-04T22:55:25 < Laurenceb> samacsys
2021-06-04T22:55:37 < Laurenceb> its easy to get from mouser then modify
2021-06-04T22:56:05 < qyx> noice
2021-06-04T22:56:11 < qyx> download, modify and then blame mouser if it doesn't fit
2021-06-04T22:56:48 < Laurenceb> heh
2021-06-04T22:57:06 < Laurenceb> I'll try disabling networking then firing it up at some point
2021-06-04T22:57:07 < qyx> even dongs_ makes his own footprints 
2021-06-04T22:57:19 < Laurenceb> atm its registered with my spam email account
2021-06-04T22:57:59 < Laurenceb> someone must have reverse engineered the file format
2021-06-04T22:59:57 < Laurenceb> hol up
2021-06-04T22:59:59 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/olback/library-loader
2021-06-04T23:01:20 < Laurenceb> wew he reimplimented it from the ground up
2021-06-04T23:01:42 < Laurenceb> actually it looks really simple, basically a haxored zip file with all the libs inside
2021-06-04T23:02:19 < Laurenceb> cool, now I can use mouser footprints without sending telemetry to the server each time I open a part
2021-06-04T23:04:02 < Laurenceb> latest eagle is horrendous server locked crippleware
2021-06-04T23:04:26 < Laurenceb> tiem to lurn kicad before my old .exe is outmoded
2021-06-04T23:05:07 < Laurenceb> eagle 9 might as well be a ps4 gayme
2021-06-04T23:12:54 < steve_> wow missed that news, did not notice footprints are available on digikey and mouser
2021-06-04T23:13:17 < steve_> eagle 9 on linux I don't remember being like that
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2021-06-05T01:35:03 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNAsP0JkOjY cat plays some jazz sounds
2021-06-05T01:35:55 < Laurenceb> White people have an intense level of guilt. I have never seen a level of guilt that I see among white people. I mean, white people don't eat bread. Think about that. There have been wars all over the world over grains and bread and only here, white people are depriving themselves. Think about that shit.
2021-06-05T01:36:12 < Laurenceb> THINK ABOUT IT!
2021-06-05T01:36:43 < kakium69> thanks
2021-06-05T01:37:21 < Laurenceb> That's a psychosomatic symptom. 
2021-06-05T01:37:35 < kakium69> are you green texting again
2021-06-05T01:38:03 < Laurenceb> how could you tell
2021-06-05T01:38:20 < kakium69> I cannot
2021-06-05T01:38:29 < Laurenceb> But what does bread have to do with violence? What’s the connection there? 
2021-06-05T01:38:29 < Laurenceb> I think the bread is about guilt and needing to keep them in a state of deprivation and stay guilty. 
2021-06-05T01:39:13 < kakium69> dope
2021-06-05T01:40:01 < kakium69> does it go deeper?
2021-06-05T01:42:24 < kakium69> I want the conspiracy part and the connection to ancient mesopotamia and aliens
2021-06-05T01:43:48 < Laurenceb> https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/the-psychopathic-problem-of-the-white
2021-06-05T01:43:57 < Laurenceb> original source of the greentexts
2021-06-05T01:45:07 < kakium69> is this person white?
2021-06-05T01:47:32 < Laurenceb> who cares, its just a source of epin copypastas for me
2021-06-05T01:54:53 < kakium69> interesting read
2021-06-05T02:14:02 < kakium69> how is summer Laurenceb?
2021-06-05T02:29:34 < kakium69> you can answer with green text
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2021-06-05T04:15:15 < Laurenceb> oh wow
2021-06-05T04:15:18 < Laurenceb> https://it.slashdot.org/story/21/06/04/1951228/startup-stealth-data-working-to-uncover-the-identities-of-website-users
2021-06-05T04:15:21 < Laurenceb> orbital sides
2021-06-05T04:15:30  * Laurenceb gives 4chan a slow clap
2021-06-05T04:16:58 < Laurenceb> >Chad Sneed
2021-06-05T04:17:03 < Laurenceb> well played
2021-06-05T04:20:59 < Laurenceb> lol the comments
2021-06-05T04:21:02 < Laurenceb> > well well, lookit the darknet slicker pullin' up in his fancy VPN
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2021-06-05T08:51:01 < qyx> \o/ We are pleased to inform you that the items listed below have been shipped via EuroPacket
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2021-06-05T19:23:23 < R2COM> oh a nice page
2021-06-05T19:23:24 < R2COM> https://thiblahute.github.io/jpakkane.github.io/Simple-comparison.html
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2021-06-05T20:37:32 < machinehum> https://imgur.com/a/HTkYcHm where tf do I find a 16V/470uF solid state cap
2021-06-05T20:37:53 < machinehum> Tantalum is usually the goto for that?
2021-06-05T20:38:50 < R2COM> yes
2021-06-05T20:40:52 < machinehum> https://www.mouser.ca/ProductDetail/Vishay-Sprague/597D477X0016H2T?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22fXVtVLLnjP%2Fgo8XHE5rlik%3D
2021-06-05T20:40:59 < machinehum> I suppose that was easy
2021-06-05T20:41:59 < R2COM> lol at the price
2021-06-05T20:42:25 < R2COM> im assuming its some personal one-off hobby fuckery 
2021-06-05T20:42:47 < machinehum> Didn't even look at the price
2021-06-05T20:42:50 < machinehum> Christ
2021-06-05T20:43:18 < R2COM> caps can be paralleled, so I'd look into that
2021-06-05T20:43:24 < machinehum> Cheapest part I can find is 6$
2021-06-05T20:43:27 < machinehum> Yeah
2021-06-05T20:43:30 < R2COM> more but cheaper in parallel
2021-06-05T20:43:32 < machinehum> Honestly fuck that power supply
2021-06-05T20:44:00 < machinehum> It needs a lot of support components
2021-06-05T20:44:19 < R2COM> exactly, fuck the EE design, since it requires quite some components and a piece of brain
2021-06-05T20:44:48 < machinehum> lol
2021-06-05T20:47:19 < machinehum> I mean if the cost of this supply with the externals is way more than a fully integrated on?
2021-06-05T20:47:24 < machinehum> one
2021-06-05T20:48:15 < R2COM> one needs to look into requirement first, and then decide whether the discrete or fully integrated supply fits best the task
2021-06-05T20:48:29 < R2COM> w/price consideration of course as well
2021-06-05T20:49:48 < qyx> wat tantalum
2021-06-05T20:49:53 < machinehum> I'm going for a module for sure
2021-06-05T20:49:58 < qyx> who the fuk uses tantalum in 2021
2021-06-05T20:50:08 < machinehum> But this PBO-15C is a module
2021-06-05T20:50:23 < machinehum> qyx: plx provide alternative
2021-06-05T20:50:24 < R2COM> qyx whats wrong with tantaluma nd what should we use in 2021
2021-06-05T20:50:43 < qyx> did you see tantalum on any recent hw?
2021-06-05T20:50:53 < qyx> there are solid polymer alu caps
2021-06-05T20:52:13 < R2COM> and yes i do see tantalum in recent hw
2021-06-05T20:53:19 < qyx> machinehum: https://www.mouser.sk/Passive-Components/Capacitors/Polymer-Capacitors/_/N-bjuf7?P=1z0wrk5Z1z0x6edZ1yx4aw3&Ns=Pricing|0
2021-06-05T20:53:30 < R2COM> how did you conclude that in 2021 one shouldnt use tantalum
2021-06-05T20:54:40 < qyx> is there any reason to use them? we now have alternatives which are much cheaper
2021-06-05T20:55:07 < R2COM> there are various reasons including size and profile as well
2021-06-05T20:55:43 < machinehum> qyx: ty
2021-06-05T20:56:16 < qyx> ok
2021-06-05T20:56:19 < R2COM> panasonic, kemet, leading cap. manufacturers keep rolling out actually new tantalum cap products
2021-06-05T20:56:38 < R2COM> and I'm pretty sure they are aware better than you in terms of what industry needs in 2021 for caps.
2021-06-05T20:59:21 < englishman> qyx: plenty of tants in the macbook
2021-06-05T20:59:27 < englishman> https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/mFkWuHRWX4lCYrIR.huge
2021-06-05T20:59:33 < englishman> https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/nWJOMgBddrWXcvKu.huge
2021-06-05T20:59:52 < englishman> https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/bITqGuaAUjviUWjc.huge
2021-06-05T20:59:59 < englishman> https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/BPhkFyFIglVuO1Xl.huge
2021-06-05T21:00:09 < englishman> https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/h5ygPqMQVgF2bvOM.huge
2021-06-05T21:00:11 < englishman> etc.
2021-06-05T21:04:22 < englishman> oh, look at that, alu poly can come in that form factor
2021-06-05T21:04:26 < englishman> cool
2021-06-05T21:04:37 < englishman> "layered aluminum polymer"
2021-06-05T21:06:56 < machinehum> Apple PCBs fucking smexxy
2021-06-05T21:07:10 < englishman> i believe those with the 16k markings are tant tho
2021-06-05T21:15:29 < qyx> so size and profile argument busted
2021-06-05T21:16:26 < englishman> i mean idk if density is the same
2021-06-05T21:16:32 < englishman> i literally just learned they exist
2021-06-05T21:23:49 < R2COM> i mean, each design has its own specifics, one needs to consider the frequency characteristics as well as dc derating and few other things during selection, and there are times when decison like tantalum, aluminum, ceramic etc based on those specs
2021-06-05T21:24:02 < R2COM> its dumb to say "dont use X use Y"
2021-06-05T21:24:16 < R2COM> it would just depend on a specific design needs
2021-06-05T21:25:19 < R2COM> again, leading cap. manufacturers continue making tantalums in 2021, pretty sure they wouldnt do it if nobody used them
2021-06-05T21:25:36 < qyx> you are right
2021-06-05T21:26:08 < englishman> i try not to use components that don't contain any conflict minerals
2021-06-05T21:26:46 < qyx> are you from .sk
2021-06-05T21:27:01 < qyx> we say "we don't use no conflict materials"
2021-06-05T21:27:18 < englishman> that's a double negative
2021-06-05T22:23:51 < machinehum> I wonder if I can just grease a bunch of components right under this cocksucker https://imgur.com/a/KIqlryT
2021-06-05T22:24:40 < machinehum> That would be very nice for my board space issues
2021-06-05T22:27:20 < englishman> of course
2021-06-05T22:27:33 < englishman> a big advantage of having 3d renders is checking for interference
2021-06-05T22:49:59 < machinehum> I would have to check compliance wise as well
2021-06-05T22:50:16 < machinehum> Perhaps CUI has some app notes
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2021-06-06T00:13:05 < machinehum> Why is this suggesting an NTC https://imgur.com/a/tqlJDHs when the device overheats don't you want the resistance to go up? Unless I'm completing misunderstanding the purpose of the ntc. Also what does 10D-10 nomenclature mean? 10mm dia 10ohm?
2021-06-06T00:18:13 < Steffann> https://product.tdk.com/en/techlibrary/applicationnote/howto_ntc-limiter.html ;)
2021-06-06T00:22:40 < Steffann> and yes 10 ohm, dia 10mm
2021-06-06T00:23:15 < qyx> Steffann is a ntc pro
2021-06-06T00:23:57 < machinehum> Thanks
2021-06-06T00:34:46 < Steffann> i know right, qyx
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2021-06-06T02:47:22 < kakium69> hello night
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2021-06-06T03:32:31 < R2COM> kakium69 hello nigga
2021-06-06T03:32:41 < R2COM> kakium69 which software build system you use
2021-06-06T03:33:26 < kakium69> whatever comes with IDE
2021-06-06T03:34:00 < kakium69> depends
2021-06-06T03:34:40 < R2COM> i thought you are one of those advanced boyz using command line
2021-06-06T03:38:19 < kakium69> no
2021-06-06T03:39:01 < kakium69> sometimes I use makefile
2021-06-06T03:39:55 < kakium69> pretty much everyone else here haxor with command line
2021-06-06T03:40:03 < kakium69> and use vim as editor
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2021-06-06T03:40:26 < R2COM> well i use vscode as editor but in vim mode, and yes i use vim all over for text.
2021-06-06T03:40:43 < R2COM> i used command line gdb debug and build on win10 but now for fun decided to port this flow to unix environment
2021-06-06T03:41:00 < R2COM> (where one would think it should be easier cuz shit is native to unix)
2021-06-06T03:41:04 < R2COM> but having issues all over...
2021-06-06T03:41:12 < R2COM> its funny how this flow works for me on win10 better
2021-06-06T03:41:17 < R2COM> figuring out small things here and there
2021-06-06T03:45:58 < kakium69> I don't really know how build systems work
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2021-06-06T03:46:31 < kakium69> maybe simple makefile
2021-06-06T03:46:56 < kakium69> and I sodomize templates on IDE projects
2021-06-06T03:47:07 < kakium69> script templates
2021-06-06T04:34:49 < R2COM> someone fucked up cstdint when porting this arm-none-eabi-gcc to freebsd
2021-06-06T04:34:53 < R2COM> ridiculous shit
2021-06-06T04:34:54 < R2COM> wtf
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2021-06-06T04:52:09 < R2COM> from various threads online i see this shit pops up in macos & freebsd sometimes
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2021-06-06T15:19:35 < Laurenceb> suppppp
2021-06-06T15:20:01  * Laurenceb is looking for an 802.3at PoE+ module with 12V or 15V out and 30W capability
2021-06-06T15:20:10 < Laurenceb> can anyone find one in stock?
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2021-06-06T18:35:48 < mawk> Steffanx 
2021-06-06T18:35:50 < mawk> I'm on the schiermonnikoog island
2021-06-06T18:35:52 < mawk> average age is 80
2021-06-06T18:36:57 < Steffanx> Lol. Russia and France invading schiermonnikoog?
2021-06-06T18:50:03 < mawk> lol
2021-06-06T18:50:10 < mawk> no I'm with the dutch family
2021-06-06T19:14:27 < Steffann> Enjoying the wonderful Dutch nature?
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2021-06-06T19:33:32 < R2COM> are there good brothels?
2021-06-06T19:43:48 < Laurenceb> sneeeddddd
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2021-06-06T19:59:52 < R2COM> seems like I had to install gcc-arm-embedded and now I can finally properly build arm target on freebsd
2021-06-06T20:00:12 < R2COM> for some reason when installing from source arm-none-eabi-gcc it didnt properly install source files for standard headers
2021-06-06T20:05:52 < Laurenceb> keeek my dad is emailing me
2021-06-06T20:05:58 < Laurenceb> ok I'm slightly worried now
2021-06-06T20:06:06 < Laurenceb> hopefully he is just smoking weed again
2021-06-06T20:06:27 < Laurenceb> >I've worked it all out, the multiverse is real, aliens are interdimentional travellers
2021-06-06T20:09:43 < englishm1> does he get equally worried about your chats?
2021-06-06T20:21:16 < Laurenceb> lol
2021-06-06T20:37:46 < mawk> yes Steffanx 
2021-06-06T20:38:04 < mawk> biking on the dijk
2021-06-06T20:41:08 < mawk> I can get the vaccine in 2 weeks
2021-06-06T20:53:00 < Steffanx> Because you're a poor guy with  medical reasons mawk?
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2021-06-06T21:27:15 < Laurenceb> anyone know where to get PoE modules?
2021-06-06T21:27:21 < Laurenceb> stock seems really bad :(
2021-06-06T21:27:55 < zyp> aliexpress?
2021-06-06T21:29:03 < mawk> no Steffanx , look on the rivm site
2021-06-06T21:29:16 < mawk> today people born in 1984 can get it
2021-06-06T21:29:23 < mawk> my turn is soon
2021-06-06T21:29:37  * Laurenceb had his ages ago
2021-06-06T21:29:43 < Laurenceb> French btfo'd
2021-06-06T21:29:55 < mawk> I'm in Netherlands Laurenceb 
2021-06-06T21:29:58 < mawk> you're not following
2021-06-06T21:30:05 < Laurenceb> derp 
2021-06-06T21:30:06 < Laurenceb> ok
2021-06-06T21:30:12 < Steffann> oh, you meant you can make an appoitment soon, thats different
2021-06-06T21:30:19 < mawk> every french can be vaccinated now
2021-06-06T21:30:25 < mawk> meh Steffanx 
2021-06-06T21:30:26 < Laurenceb> muh 3d bill gates microchip implant
2021-06-06T21:30:31 < mawk> 1w after the date I can get it
2021-06-06T21:30:35 < mawk> that's what my family got
2021-06-06T21:30:47 < mawk> do you have a bill gates tatoo that spawned at the injection side Laurenceb ?
2021-06-06T21:30:58 < Laurenceb> lollll
2021-06-06T21:31:13 < Laurenceb> I keep shouting
2021-06-06T21:31:25 < Laurenceb> DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS!!!
2021-06-06T21:31:30 < mawk> lol
2021-06-06T21:33:27 < Steffann> What did Laurenceb? AZ?
2021-06-06T21:33:34 < Steffann> if yes, wont you die soon?
2021-06-06T21:33:41 < Laurenceb> lol
2021-06-06T21:33:52 < Steffann> *did Laurenceb get?
2021-06-06T21:33:54 < Laurenceb> no, Pfizer
2021-06-06T21:34:12 < Laurenceb> ppl die of blood clots all the time, its probably bs
2021-06-06T21:35:26 < BrainDamage> it's just slightly higher probability
2021-06-06T21:35:29 < zyp> it's all relative
2021-06-06T21:35:45 < BrainDamage> statistically significant, but not a tragedy, personal speaking
2021-06-06T21:36:03 < BrainDamage> but when you vaccinate millions people, you end up with avoidable deaths
2021-06-06T21:36:21 < mawk> really though
2021-06-06T21:36:26 < BrainDamage> so might as well err on the side of caution
2021-06-06T21:36:34 < mawk> aren't these deaths couterbalanced by deaths avoided by the vaccine?
2021-06-06T21:36:39 < mawk> then there is a net gain
2021-06-06T21:36:43 < zyp> in norway the infection rate is so low that you're more likely to die from AZ complications than waiting a couple of months extra for Pfizer and dying from covid in the mean time
2021-06-06T21:36:58 < mawk> that's normal
2021-06-06T21:37:10 < mawk> even sars-cov-2 cannot find norway on the map
2021-06-06T21:38:27 < zyp> IIRC sweden wanted all our AZ doses, because their infection rate is high enough to outweigh the risk of AZ complications
2021-06-06T21:39:40 < Laurenceb> Silvertec seem to make some nice PoE modules
2021-06-06T21:39:47 < Laurenceb> pity they have close to zero stock
2021-06-06T21:40:08 < Laurenceb> the bananapi PoE module actually looks really good
2021-06-06T21:40:46 < Laurenceb> it doesnt look too hard to build PoE, but I need it fast for hyperloop
2021-06-06T21:42:01 < zyp> how many do you need? I've got a couple of aliexpress PoE modules here
2021-06-06T21:42:10 < Laurenceb> about 1.2k
2021-06-06T21:42:48 < zyp> 1200 units? that's enough to chat up somebody on alibaba
2021-06-06T21:43:35 < Laurenceb> yeah I guess, but I'd worry about quality
2021-06-06T21:43:48 < Laurenceb> I'll see if silvertec can do anything 
2021-06-06T21:43:57 < Laurenceb> they claim to have stock shipping soon to mouser
2021-06-06T21:44:24 < zyp> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/SDAPO-AG9700-DP9700-12V-1A-IEEE802_62115295218.html <- something like this shit
2021-06-06T21:44:30 < zyp> «hi, gimme 1200 units» «ok»
2021-06-06T21:48:13 < Laurenceb> heh
2021-06-06T21:48:27 < Laurenceb> it needs >85% efficiency and operation at 80C ambient
2021-06-06T21:49:32 < Laurenceb> ag9700 wtf
2021-06-06T21:49:46 < Laurenceb> presumably a clone, thats a silvertec module
2021-06-06T22:09:25 < englishm1> sounds like a typical laurenceb project
2021-06-06T22:09:51 < englishm1> <does anyone have a solution for this simple problem> <yes> <oh wait there are complex anormal requirements i didn't mention>
2021-06-06T22:13:07 < BrainDamage> ^ perfect description
2021-06-06T22:13:54 < BrainDamage> and most of them aree xy problems ...
2021-06-06T22:17:09 < Laurenceb> wait bananapi is rebranded chinashit
2021-06-06T22:17:19 < Laurenceb> RT7402
2021-06-06T22:17:29 < Laurenceb> or RT5400B
2021-06-06T22:17:41 < Laurenceb> holy shit this is cheap
2021-06-06T22:17:49 < Laurenceb> https://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/djzhanghua/product-detailJNcxgXnlamhZ/China-30W-Poe-Module-Rt7402.html
2021-06-06T22:22:23 < Laurenceb> https://www.vtera.net/banana-pi-poe-7402-module--for-bpi-r64-board
2021-06-06T22:22:32 < Laurenceb> quite a lot of stock there
2021-06-06T22:23:03 < Laurenceb> I bet it could be thermally tied to the main PCB
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2021-06-06T22:53:14 < Laurenceb> >dat stock count
2021-06-06T22:53:37 < Laurenceb> keek this knocks ukp100k off the BOM cost
2021-06-06T22:54:37 < Laurenceb> too easy
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2021-06-06T23:18:21 < Steffann> Come on, this happens here so often. It's not JUST Laurenceb  
2021-06-06T23:19:54 < Laurenceb> https://uk.farnell.com/multicomp-pro/mpgcs-040-150-2-0/thermal-pad-silicone-150x2mm-blue/dp/3267452
2021-06-06T23:19:57 < Laurenceb> looks good
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2021-06-07T01:34:23 < kakium69> hello night
2021-06-07T01:59:08 < Laurenceb> >implying it gets dark in finngolia
2021-06-07T02:09:03 < kakium69> only in winter
2021-06-07T02:18:38 < kakium69> will you come to sauna if I invite you Laurenceb?
2021-06-07T02:19:00 < kakium69> sauna night
2021-06-07T02:19:50 < kakium69> not that I would have facilities to organize proper sauna night
2021-06-07T02:19:53 < kakium69> but if I had
2021-06-07T02:23:47 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1UmJmk0Rq4 how to sauna
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2021-06-07T03:54:50 < ColdKeyboard> Anyone knows a way how you could desing a PCB that you can attach to the phone screen and then use STM+some_circuitry to "emulate" physical touches?
2021-06-07T03:55:01 < ColdKeyboard> Any whitepapers, DIY solutions or even how this thing would be called would be appreciated :)
2021-06-07T04:00:07 < kakium69> hmm
2021-06-07T04:00:09 < kakium69> why?
2021-06-07T04:00:18 < kakium69> I mean WHY!?
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2021-06-07T04:07:34 < ColdKeyboard> Great question!
2021-06-07T04:07:53 < ColdKeyboard> I want to be able to remotely press a button on phone screen
2021-06-07T04:09:14 < kakium69> just one place?
2021-06-07T04:09:57 < kakium69> isn't there any software solutions?
2021-06-07T04:10:05 < kakium69> like remote display
2021-06-07T04:10:51 < kakium69> it's not connected to internets?
2021-06-07T04:11:09 < BrainDamage> android supports hid interfaces, just emulate a usb mouse
2021-06-07T04:11:24 < BrainDamage> or use remote connection indeed
2021-06-07T04:12:09 < kakium69> sounds better
2021-06-07T04:13:38 < ColdKeyboard> Right, but isn't there a way to do it externally?
2021-06-07T04:14:12 < ColdKeyboard> Digitizer senses change in E field, so I guess if you add a copper pad and drive it to high/low  relative to phone GND... it should detect a touch, no?
2021-06-07T04:14:55 < kakium69> I think it applies AC to grid inside display
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2021-06-07T04:15:10 < kakium69> and sees capacitance changes
2021-06-07T04:15:21 < kakium69> through the glass
2021-06-07T04:15:44 < ColdKeyboard> So I would need to create capacitor plates on PCB/FPC?
2021-06-07T04:16:18 < kakium69> you would need to switch the capacitance
2021-06-07T04:19:10 < kakium69> or just use solenoid
2021-06-07T04:19:33 < kakium69> with stylus pen tip
2021-06-07T04:19:40 < kakium69> or artificial finger
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2021-06-07T04:36:29 < ColdKeyboard> Is there a PCB equivalent of "artificial finger"?
2021-06-07T04:36:53 < ColdKeyboard> I assume companies use some automated way to test touches on phones/digitizers/screens etc
2021-06-07T04:39:32 < kakium69> assembly worker runs test mode?
2021-06-07T04:45:06 < englishman> theres a video i saw yesterday of a bunch of servos and pencil erasers or something tapping a screen to farm gold for some mobile game
2021-06-07T04:45:14 < englishman> maybe there is some mobile game gold miner you can buy from china
2021-06-07T05:34:55 < ColdKeyboard> englishman That's an interesting suggestion
2021-06-07T05:35:11 < ColdKeyboard> I guess there might be some mobile game "hacks" that are physical
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2021-06-07T06:39:07 < R2COM> https://i.imgur.com/vB6aZ2t.png
2021-06-07T06:39:52 < R2COM> so there you go, now I'm debuggin stm32 from unix in command line with cyberpunk transparent wallpaper configured with compton.. these are some elite hacking skills isnt it
2021-06-07T06:40:18 < R2COM> ah....few things missing for top level elite: some top menu fuckery icons showing some shit... status bar things...
2021-06-07T06:40:20 < R2COM> maybe dmenu
2021-06-07T06:40:42 < R2COM> after that is done, it becomes one more pic for unixporn gallery isnt it
2021-06-07T06:41:43 < R2COM> lol... anyway, at leats its proper unix, not some lunix faggotry
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2021-06-07T07:12:45 < machinehum> R2COM: How do you like FreeBDSM?
2021-06-07T07:13:27 < machinehum> I quite like the way you typed the entire path to gdb there
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2021-06-07T07:47:48 < jpa-> ColdKeyboard: pretty much anything conductive can trigger a touch, but i haven't seen anything that you could switch without actually moving it physically
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2021-06-07T08:08:12 < ColdKeyboard> jpa- I understand that part. What I'm trying to figure out is how to have something sit on screen, and only become a "touch" once you connect it to a certain potential...
2021-06-07T08:10:28 < jpa-> potential does not matter because it is capacitively coupled, only capacitance between the electrodes that the display uses to do the sensing
2021-06-07T08:12:23 < jpa-> the electrode pitch and layout varies from display to display; and you'd need to have a quite low capacitance switch for each of them
2021-06-07T08:30:48 < ColdKeyboard> I took apart one of the stylus pens that I had. If you jus use the "rubber" tip. It doesn't work. Hoever if you hold it with your finger, something metal or just attach it to the capacitor legs, it works beautifully
2021-06-07T08:31:18 < ColdKeyboard> I'm thinking if pad on PCB is round and tiny. If it's floating, it won't do anything. And then you either ground it or connect to a large capacitor to "initiate" touch...
2021-06-07T08:31:28 < ColdKeyboard> IDK, I'm open to other ideas? :)
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2021-06-07T08:36:27 < jpa-> ColdKeyboard: sure, that is the basic idea, have a pad for each electrode of the display (or the touch resolution you want, for example every 5x5 mm) and ground the ones that are under your virtual finger
2021-06-07T08:36:35 < jpa-> but you need a very low capacitance transistor to ground them
2021-06-07T08:40:34 < jpa-> the capacitance of a 5x5 mm electrode is around 0.5 pF; the output capacitance of mosfets is usually 5 pF or larger and BJTs usually 1 pF or larger
2021-06-07T08:41:03 < jpa-> so they are pretty much always connected to ground as far as the electrode is concerned
2021-06-07T08:42:33 < jpa-> AFAIK most of the displays nowadays use mutual capacitance between neighbouring electrodes, so if your electrode pitch on the PCB does not match the electrode pitch of the display you'll probably get false touches
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2021-06-07T09:45:55 < jadew> does anyone know what that package is called for the SMD crystal? https://ro.mouser.com/datasheet/2/281/p16e-522700.pdf
2021-06-07T09:46:23 < zyp> which one?
2021-06-07T09:46:42 < jadew> the big one I guess
2021-06-07T09:47:27 < jadew> they're the same size as HC49
2021-06-07T09:47:36 < jadew> but they have 3 pins, because of the built in caps
2021-06-07T09:47:59 < zyp> ah, resonators, not crystals
2021-06-07T09:48:08 < jadew> yeah, sorry
2021-06-07T09:48:50 < zyp> size wise the big one would be 4520, I guess, plus a suffix or something to indicate it's three pin
2021-06-07T09:50:37 < jadew> thanks
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2021-06-07T12:34:18 < karlp> so lolrence finally went with our initial suggestions of "just using ethernet" then right?
2021-06-07T12:53:28 < ventYl> doxygen can be a little bit confused by inline assembly
2021-06-07T12:53:56 < karlp> doxygen can be confused by ltos of things.
2021-06-07T12:55:02 < ventYl> including autosar macro shitworx
2021-06-07T12:55:33 < karlp> well, yeah, you're not helping.
2021-06-07T12:57:31 < ventYl> Autosar be like: carefully designed to break any attempt to document this little shit
2021-06-07T13:03:35 < Steffann> Get in your shelter mawk
2021-06-07T13:03:43 < mawk> BIP BIP BIP BIP
2021-06-07T13:03:48 < mawk> "test message"
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2021-06-07T13:05:30 < Steffann> No air raid siren?
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2021-06-07T13:43:13 < mawk> not on the island Steffann 
2021-06-07T13:43:17 < mawk> maybe another day
2021-06-07T13:47:38 < BrainDamage> ColdKeyboard: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/a-Schematic-of-a-capacitive-touch-screen-b-A-passive-stylus-requires-a-large-tip-to_fig3_301462084
2021-06-07T13:48:53 < BrainDamage> by switching the cap charging, you can emulate the presence or not of a finger, however, depending on how the touchscreen works a sudden appearance of a trigger may not be registered as a click, because the dynamic of a finger press are slow and smooth
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2021-06-07T14:25:03 < Laurenceb> guess how spacex will refuel to get to Mars?
2021-06-07T14:25:13 < Laurenceb> Ass 2 Ass
2021-06-07T14:25:32 < Laurenceb> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/assets/50157.0/2021020.jpg
2021-06-07T14:45:50 < ventYl> well, and?
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2021-06-07T17:31:05 < quinor> dear hivemind, looking at stm32mp1 and a question comes to me: how does the a7-m4 interface work? do they share a piece of memory, are connected with a bus or something else?
2021-06-07T17:31:10 < quinor> from the programming perspective
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2021-06-07T18:32:32 < qyx> apparently the two cores share the same buses/peripherals, iirc from the RM
2021-06-07T18:33:22 < qyx> I didn't finish my awesome stm32mp1 board yet so idk
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2021-06-07T18:55:59 < Laurenceb_> oh shit I'm banned from 8chan again
2021-06-07T18:56:06 < Laurenceb_> lol
2021-06-07T18:56:33 < Laurenceb_> >user banned for chronic shitposting
2021-06-07T19:06:17 < zyp> quinor, according to Laurenceb_ there's openamp support for messagepassing
2021-06-07T19:06:35 < zyp> but yeah, they're in a shared memory space
2021-06-07T19:07:04 < zyp> and IIRC it has a hardware semaphore peripheral
2021-06-07T19:07:50 < jadew> where can I make some flex PCBs on the cheap
2021-06-07T19:07:53 < jadew> ?
2021-06-07T19:08:01 < zyp> so I would guess it's putting the messages in shared memory somewhere and using HSEM to pass ownership back and forth
2021-06-07T19:08:55 < zyp> Laurenceb_ could probably explain better if he's not too busy shitposting
2021-06-07T19:09:37 < jpa-> jadew: pcbway makes them, but not exactly cheap as it is usually more than $100 per order
2021-06-07T19:09:52 < jadew> jpa-, yeah, I'm willing to pay...
2021-06-07T19:10:09 < jadew> I destroyed the membrane keypad of an instrument
2021-06-07T19:10:13 < zyp> there's also oshpark
2021-06-07T19:10:13 < jadew> and I'm considering my options now
2021-06-07T19:10:16 < zyp> if you want cheap
2021-06-07T19:10:41 < jpa-> jadew: did you destroy the keypad part or just the cable?
2021-06-07T19:10:49 < jadew> they keypad
2021-06-07T19:10:57 < jadew> it was made from two sheets glued together
2021-06-07T19:11:15 < jadew> I thought I can unglue them to clean some keys up because they were stuck (it wasn't working anyway)
2021-06-07T19:11:21 < jadew> the traces broke off
2021-06-07T19:11:31 < jpa-> probably pretty difficult to remake one from just normal flex pcb
2021-06-07T19:11:46 < jadew> well, I'm thinking about converting it
2021-06-07T19:12:00 < jadew> it uses a rubber keypad that presses on these two sheets that are glued together
2021-06-07T19:12:21 < jadew> I was thinking of making FPC with exposed copper and make the rubber keys conductive
2021-06-07T19:12:50 < jadew> I could also make a very thing PCB
2021-06-07T19:12:53 < jpa-> i would just make a normal PCB with tactile buttons and a standard flex cable from that
2021-06-07T19:12:57 < jadew> and use that instead, I know how to make those
2021-06-07T19:13:06 < jadew> yeah, that's the other option
2021-06-07T19:13:12 < jadew> and it would cost only ~$100
2021-06-07T19:13:29 < jpa-> why so much?
2021-06-07T19:13:36 < jadew> big area
2021-06-07T19:13:47 < jadew> 370 x 250 mm
2021-06-07T19:14:15 < jadew> I wonder how thin I can make it before it breaks by itself
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2021-06-07T20:22:11 < ColdKeyboard> BrainDamage Thanks for sending over that link btw!
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2021-06-07T21:18:20 < quinor> zyp, Laurenceb_, good info :) I'm thinking of making it my "daily driver" for hobby projects since price/energy doesn't really matter for me
2021-06-07T21:24:49 < Laurenceb_> np
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2021-06-07T22:32:55 < machinehum> Are there any "tricks" for reducing the volume of caps, say 33uF, 450V. "Generally" if you parallel/series caps I can only assume you will wind up with a larger volume 
2021-06-07T22:33:20 < machinehum> Also shout out to all the smaller caps in that size compleley sold out
2021-06-07T23:00:54 < Laurenceb_> Hi! Hello everyone, I am Character Professional SM Queen. Dear men, there is nowhere to vent your soul, the M attribute system? Is there any fantasy of Chengri to step on more than a female boss? I really want to be scolded by my palace to lick my toes? When you see it, I can’t stop it? If you don't drive your sexual fantasies, you can get a great reward from this palace. In the main palace, you will feel the unprecedented pleasure.
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2021-06-07T23:13:48 < BrainDamage> machinehum: volume is proportional to energy
2021-06-07T23:14:02 < BrainDamage> and energy is 0.5 c v^2
2021-06-07T23:14:30 < BrainDamage> so use the least necessary voltage to shrink it
2021-06-07T23:14:43 < BrainDamage> other than that, no luck
2021-06-07T23:16:40 < karlp> other than just chase the vendor trees.
2021-06-07T23:16:54 < karlp> youll very much be in a world of checking sheets for exact models.
2021-06-07T23:17:18 < karlp> you can get "higher" and "lower" density, but it's not normally a filter you can use.
2021-06-07T23:17:31 < karlp> you have to go to the vendor and peruse their whole lists...
2021-06-07T23:20:22 < machinehum> BrainDamage: Yeah already at min voltage
2021-06-07T23:21:28 < machinehum> I wonder if someone has made a more python script or something to just query the highest energy density caps
2021-06-07T23:21:52 < machinehum> I mean calculate the volume... cap/voltage etc..
2021-06-07T23:22:22 < BrainDamage> it's not 100% linear because package and connectors add wasted space
2021-06-07T23:22:41 < machinehum> Yeah fair
2021-06-07T23:22:57 < BrainDamage> so for large amount of caps, even if the eq might tell you it's convenient, it won't be
2021-06-07T23:23:10 < machinehum> I mean picking some small ass cap that's an outlyer is kinda asking for problems in the future anyways
2021-06-07T23:23:20 < BrainDamage> for small amount, say, 5 or so, you can comparre densities
2021-06-07T23:24:28  * karlp trawled manually through dozens of sheets to find the most compact cap to fit in an existing space once.  it's unpleasant.
2021-06-07T23:25:25 < karlp> given that's it's not even a drop down in mouser/digikey, you shoudl guess that it's niche enough that you wont find a pre-rolled script that can do it for you :)
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2021-06-07T23:37:05 < machinehum> Well digi has height/len x width
2021-06-07T23:37:13 < machinehum> diameter rather
2021-06-07T23:37:36 < machinehum> idk maybe I'll write it
2021-06-07T23:37:53 < machinehum> But anything small is just gone on digi+mouser+lcsc
2021-06-07T23:38:13 < machinehum> Just going to deal with a larger part
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2021-06-08T02:08:53 < aandrew> ok
2021-06-08T02:08:59 < aandrew> so for even parity, 0x7f should look like
2021-06-08T02:09:04 < aandrew> --- ___ --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ___ ___ ---
2021-06-08T02:09:07 < aandrew>     srt  0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7  par stp
2021-06-08T02:12:00 < aandrew> hm it looks like stop should also be low
2021-06-08T02:12:00 < aandrew> so
2021-06-08T02:12:03 < aandrew> --- ___ --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ___ ___ ___
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2021-06-08T19:41:20 < machinehum> https://imgur.com/a/zCa81aJ
2021-06-08T19:41:22 < machinehum> Seems to fit
2021-06-08T19:43:59 < karlp> wotcho doing?
2021-06-08T19:48:06 < machinehum> Putting two wifi radios + linux AP into a wall charger
2021-06-08T19:48:19 < machinehum> Pen testing / security device
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2021-06-08T21:43:39 < ventYl> automotive apparently went nuts
2021-06-08T21:43:47 < ventYl> more than usually
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2021-06-09T00:30:02 < kakium69> helloium
2021-06-09T00:30:33 < kakium69> one of my molars is broken
2021-06-09T00:30:51 < kakium69> I looked from mirror
2021-06-09T00:31:18 < kakium69> it's missing a corner or there is a massive cavity.. not quite sure
2021-06-09T00:31:48 < kakium69> I could check it with borescope and maybe work a fix
2021-06-09T00:32:20 < kakium69> mix merqury and.. gold?
2021-06-09T00:33:51 < Steffann> Yes
2021-06-09T00:34:08 < Steffann> Or visit a dentist kakium69 .
2021-06-09T00:35:04 < kakium69> I think the story of guy that did himself appendix surgery was interesting
2021-06-09T00:36:54 < kakium69> he was on antartic
2021-06-09T00:37:05 < kakium69> and needed a doctor for surgery
2021-06-09T00:37:15 < kakium69> but he was the doctor
2021-06-09T00:39:27 < kakium69> Steffann: what you think about that?
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2021-06-09T00:43:40 < kakium69> Steff: I need you to hold the pliers and pull on third but actually at first
2021-06-09T00:59:44 < Steffann> Great. Sauna time after?
2021-06-09T01:08:03 < kakium69> yes
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2021-06-09T01:34:54 < kakium69> mkay
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2021-06-09T02:00:49 < kakium69> can a company own a company that owns the first company?
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2021-06-09T03:19:14 < zyp> kakium69, in norway we've got laws stating how much a company is allowed to own of itself, so I would assume they extends to indirect ownership as well
2021-06-09T03:21:44 < zyp> a company can't own 100% of itself, but I would assume it's possible for me to own 50% of company A which owns 100% of company B which owns the remaining 50% of company A
2021-06-09T03:22:19 < zyp> if you reduce the graph, I effectively own 100% of company A and B
2021-06-09T03:22:33 < kakium69> yes
2021-06-09T03:22:44 < kakium69> but
2021-06-09T03:23:05 < kakium69> 100%
2021-06-09T03:23:34 < kakium69> why there is a law?
2021-06-09T03:24:23 < zyp> the thing is, if you've got a company with x shares, and the company itself owns y of those shares, then it's effectively a company with x-y shares
2021-06-09T03:25:11 < zyp> i.e. if it owns all the shares itself, it's effectively a company with 0 shares
2021-06-09T03:25:48 < kakium69> yes!
2021-06-09T03:26:00 < zyp> yeah, that's not possible
2021-06-09T03:27:18 < zyp> the law sets a minimum required share capital, and if you have zero effective shares then you've also got zero share capital
2021-06-09T03:28:20 < zyp> in norway the minimum share capital is 30k NOK, so if the price per share is set to 1k NOK, then at least 30 shares must be held outside the company
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2021-06-09T03:29:05 < zyp> i.e. a company with 50 shares @ 1k/ea is allowed to own up to 20 of them itself
2021-06-09T03:29:47 < kakium69> just break the law
2021-06-09T03:30:12 < zyp> the only reason for a company to own its own shares is really because it's easier than changing the number of shares
2021-06-09T03:30:32 < kakium69> yes
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2021-06-09T06:11:52 < ColdKeyboard> So I'm still thinking about that touch-screen testing... Digitizer should "average" or "zero" touch areas over time. So if you add a FPC on top of the screen, it may or may not detect it but after a while it should start to "ignore" it.
2021-06-09T06:12:33 < ColdKeyboard> Then if I have copper areas that are large enough to satisfy a touch size... all I have to do is make that copper area capacitively coupled to the screen or make it not coupled...
2021-06-09T06:12:40 < ColdKeyboard> Any ideas or suggestions where to start with this? :)
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2021-06-09T08:54:50 < jpa-> ColdKeyboard: why do you want to make it electronically, instead of just having a 3d printer poke the display with a fake finger?
2021-06-09T08:55:45 < jpa-> with a moveable fake finger you can also observe the display with a camera much easier than if you have an electrode array on top of it
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2021-06-09T13:11:54 < karlp> man, building an armbian build to test some stuff out, and it' slike "nah, we didn't like openwrt or buildroot or anything, so we'v egot a giant hacked up "compile.sh" that explicitly will try running "sudo apt-get...." regardles of what sort of distro you're on, and tries to "do the right thing"....
2021-06-09T13:12:12 < karlp> it's... a lot of work, and it all works well in the finished products, but it feels like the product of 10000 monkeys in the background
2021-06-09T13:13:43 < karlp> like, it will hard replace your systems source repos for docker to get a "newer" one...
2021-06-09T13:16:34 < Steffann> Lol. 
2021-06-09T13:18:17 < Steffann> "Make sure that full path to the build script does not contain spaces". Hah.
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2021-06-09T13:19:41 < karlp> using dialog by hand, instead of kconfig is like, sure, that was easy to get started, but now you can't provide help options for anything either...
2021-06-09T13:20:09 < karlp>  error ] Running this tool on non x86-x64 build host is not supported
2021-06-09T13:20:20  * karlp is running on x86-64...
2021-06-09T13:21:21 < karlp> fffs, it tries to run debootstrap (fine) but it uses dpkg explicitly to determine system architecture...
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2021-06-09T13:27:33 < karlp> and the docker build doens't work because of docker/podman cgroups fuckups.
2021-06-09T13:27:37 < karlp> I love technology
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2021-06-09T13:29:05 < karlp> they even say that their container method doesn't support actually building a disk image anyway..
2021-06-09T13:29:08 < karlp> what's the fucking point then.
2021-06-09T13:30:13 < karlp> ok, barrier to entry to actually test an improvement to armbian too high, 
2021-06-09T13:59:00 < dongs_> docker lol. fucking garbage
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2021-06-09T14:13:11 < karlp> well, was hoping to use it for it's advertised purpose of isolating other aids.
2021-06-09T14:13:53 < karlp> now, spi only runs at about 1-2Mhz, I think it should do more like 5 reliably...
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2021-06-09T21:36:34 < machinehum> Who gave me the link to that "right people" mailing list thing
2021-06-09T21:37:04 < machinehum> Because thanks, it's the only decent freelance shit I
2021-06-09T21:37:10 < machinehum> I've found through the internet
2021-06-09T21:39:08 < steve_> machinehum you do embedded work for them?
2021-06-09T22:06:08 < machinehum> Nah
2021-06-09T22:06:25 < machinehum> Well I havn't actually done anything yet - but I met with the main dude
2021-06-09T22:06:52 < machinehum> Seemed legit
2021-06-09T22:07:01 < machinehum> This would be for some blockchain work
2021-06-09T22:08:51 < steve_> neat.  Toptal seems legit too
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2021-06-10T16:16:05 < karlp> I've jsut tied it to vccA, it seemed pointless to use another pin for it, and... it's not passing any signals...
2021-06-10T16:22:30 < karlp> vccA ramps up in 120uS, which seems more than fast enough.
2021-06-10T16:29:01 < englishman> used both. tied OE to vccA. works fine. there's an appnote
2021-06-10T16:29:10 < englishman> it's to prevent oscillations in specific cases
2021-06-10T16:29:32 < englishman> and yes the appnote is rather cryptic. confirmed it with a TI EE
2021-06-10T16:30:33 < englishman> if it isn't working there is some other problem. those chips are deadly reliable
2021-06-10T16:30:44 < englishman> although i did make an oscillator with one once
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2021-06-10T18:46:14 < karlp> englishman: no, wass't ignoring you, just left for a meeting :)
2021-06-10T18:46:28 < karlp> yeah, this really wass't what I was expecting to be an issue...
2021-06-10T18:46:30 < englishman> oh. i'd ignore me
2021-06-10T18:47:01 < jpa-> gah, why do i always forget parts from my component orders
2021-06-10T18:49:21 < karlp> sch is https://bin.jvnv.net/file/qrVb4.png for those playing in this window :)
2021-06-10T18:50:21 < jpa-> that R9 resistor looks fancy
2021-06-10T18:50:43 < karlp> yeah, it's a special marking that it must be a blue one, none of those boring black chip ones
2021-06-10T18:55:28 < englishman> uh karl
2021-06-10T18:55:31 < englishman> where'd you get that pinout
2021-06-10T18:55:40 < englishman> it's wrong for DQM
2021-06-10T18:56:01 < englishman> oh "also ok"
2021-06-10T18:56:23 < englishman> nvm
2021-06-10T18:56:32 < karlp> it's DCU, 
2021-06-10T18:56:42 < karlp> that was when I was speccing what we could place.
2021-06-10T18:58:32 < englishman> do you have pullups on the outputs
2021-06-10T18:59:50 < englishman> idk i'd disconnect any load on DBG_TX and see if you get an output then
2021-06-10T19:01:17 < englishman> if it still doesn't work, switch to TXB, maybe your driver doesn't drive enough
2021-06-10T19:02:41 < karlp> I have TXB mounted at present, it was in stock, txs wasn't.
2021-06-10T19:02:56 < karlp> and TXB is the one _explicicitly_ for push pull, so should be even more winning
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2021-06-10T19:07:16 < englishman> yeah but at the same time it's even more sensitive to being driven
2021-06-10T19:08:02 < englishman> if your DBG_TX is set to input with pullup for example
2021-06-10T19:08:19 < karlp> hrm, this soudns gross.
2021-06-10T19:08:35 < englishman> well you could have chosen a unidirectional level shifter :p
2021-06-10T19:08:36 < karlp> pullups inside txb says 10k,
2021-06-10T19:08:52 < karlp> yeah, need both dirs though, I did look for one, I couldn't find a single chip solution
2021-06-10T19:09:07 < englishman> txs internal pullups are 10k.
2021-06-10T19:09:18 < karlp> cute though, nexperia has a switch on their webpage to use "night mode"
2021-06-10T19:09:24 < englishman> txb specifically restricts the use of pullups
2021-06-10T19:09:39 < karlp> on pullups, iirc, the internal allwinner ones, if they're enabled, are of the order of like 100k.
2021-06-10T19:09:44 < karlp> I guess I can check if they're enabled.
2021-06-10T19:09:44 < englishman> yes
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2021-06-10T19:12:30 < karlp> 74AVC2T245 might have been what I couldn't find when I designed this
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2021-06-10T21:32:04 < zyp> karlp, that's what I'm using on the orbtrace
2021-06-10T21:34:59 < zyp> individual direction signals are great, instead of having to work out the right combination of input, output and bidir groups
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2021-06-11T00:29:45 < karlp> yeah, I seem to recall having only found ones that had whole bank direction shits or something, not sure how I missed that one.
2021-06-11T00:30:13 < karlp> it's also kinda, "do I really even need to bother putting this on the board at all?" seeing as it does all it needs to already.
2021-06-11T00:30:57 < karlp> I have the pin available that puts it into "upgrade" mode (not dfu, but some qserial) so I don't realyl think I need it at all, just wanted to see what was on that console
2021-06-11T00:31:10 < karlp> might just make it DNP.
2021-06-11T00:32:19 < qyx> quackserial
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2021-06-11T01:57:11 < kakium69> hello nightium
2021-06-11T01:59:15 < ColdKeyboard> Any recomendation for IC that on one end appears as bluetooth headphones and on the other end streams that audio over USB or I2S?
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2021-06-11T02:03:55 < kakium69> bluegiga?
2021-06-11T02:04:05 < kakium69> module
2021-06-11T02:04:14 < kakium69> but you bet there is chips
2021-06-11T02:04:24 < kakium69> given the current bluetooth headphones market
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2021-06-11T02:17:03 < qyx> ColdKeyboard: probably any cheap bt module has I2S
2021-06-11T02:20:04 < karlp> lots of them just expose pcm I thought, but I've not looked at that stuff much.
2021-06-11T02:25:03 < qyx> hm isnt pcm just a format output over i2s?
2021-06-11T02:25:32 < qyx> or over any other interface
2021-06-11T02:26:16 < karlp> hrm, I thought the pcm output pins were raw audio, but maybe not? I didn't look closely...
2021-06-11T02:33:26 < karlp> zyp: where's the orbtrace schematic again?
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2021-06-11T03:44:56 < jadew> man... things are stupidly expensive after a certain frequency
2021-06-11T03:46:35 < kakium69> well everything needs to be machined to precision
2021-06-11T03:46:37 < jadew> I added a couple of adapters and some attenuators in the cart and it's already at $800 :/
2021-06-11T03:46:42 < jadew> pre tax
2021-06-11T03:47:00 < kakium69> it's like building swiss watches then
2021-06-11T03:47:16 < jadew> or at least that's what they want you to think
2021-06-11T03:47:35 < kakium69> handmade ofc
2021-06-11T03:47:47 < englishman> swiss watches are mostly mass-produced
2021-06-11T03:48:10 < kakium69> yes
2021-06-11T03:48:16 < jadew> probably these connectors too
2021-06-11T03:48:22 < jadew> at least the machining part
2021-06-11T03:48:33 < jadew> which is why they should be cheap
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2021-06-11T03:48:52 < jadew> I'm getting amazing precision on my machined parts and I'm getting them from random CNC shop
2021-06-11T03:48:54 < kakium69> measured and verified by RF priests
2021-06-11T03:49:17 < jadew> kakium69, not necessarily, they have RF sweat shops too
2021-06-11T03:49:28 < kakium69> jadew: have you verified the precision?
2021-06-11T03:49:37 < kakium69> or just said do dis
2021-06-11T03:49:37 < jadew> with some guy who doesn't know what he's doing and has a big PASS/FAIL screen in front of him
2021-06-11T03:49:44 < kakium69> yes
2021-06-11T03:49:44 < jadew> kakium69, I have, yeah
2021-06-11T03:50:16 < kakium69> englishman: have any musics?
2021-06-11T03:51:57 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ExdigjJmaA
2021-06-11T03:52:53 < jadew> you guys must be on coffee and pumped all the fucking time
2021-06-11T03:53:34 < englishman> just got in from a gr8 paramotor flight
2021-06-11T03:53:49 < englishman> was listening this while trying to slalom through hay bales
2021-06-11T03:54:10 < jadew> sounds fun
2021-06-11T03:54:43 < jadew> to me it sounds like something I would listen to 20 hours into some code, without sleep or any significant breaks
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2021-06-11T03:58:45 < kakium69> I was considering about buying a kilo bike
2021-06-11T03:59:22 < kakium69> but on the other hand englishman.. I could just fly
2021-06-11T04:00:03 < jadew> englishman, do you have gopro footage?
2021-06-11T04:00:09 < englishman> sure
2021-06-11T04:00:27 < kakium69> englishman: how much is the range?
2021-06-11T04:00:31 < jadew> can we see some of it?
2021-06-11T04:00:45 < kakium69> can you add bladders to your legs like jetmans do?
2021-06-11T04:01:01 < englishman> lol
2021-06-11T04:01:02 < kakium69> it would need a transfer pump though
2021-06-11T04:01:03 < englishman> yeah 1 sec
2021-06-11T04:01:18 < englishman> idk maybe 3 hours? i get tired before i run out of gas usually
2021-06-11T04:01:23 < englishman> https://streamable.com/mjdhm5
2021-06-11T04:01:25 < jadew> how difficult is it to fly that? is it dangerous?
2021-06-11T04:01:47 < jadew> that's awesome
2021-06-11T04:02:32 < kakium69> watch out for powerlines englishman
2021-06-11T04:02:43 < englishman> you do have to keep an eye out yeah
2021-06-11T04:03:04 < jadew> could you hold someone in your lap?
2021-06-11T04:03:19 < kakium69> thankfully it's all happening in quite slow pace you have time to see stuff
2021-06-11T04:03:31 < kakium69> compared to fixed wings
2021-06-11T04:03:33 < englishman> there are some tandem ones for training or discovery flights yeah
2021-06-11T04:04:09 < jadew> your gopro doesn't look like a gopro tho
2021-06-11T04:04:42 < jadew> also, how is it attached?
2021-06-11T04:04:44 < englishman> here's a takeoff from when i was still pretty bad https://streamable.com/qnni7b
2021-06-11T04:04:50 < jadew> is it tethered?
2021-06-11T04:05:13 < englishman> the camera? yeah it's attached to the rear of the wing and has some tail feathers to keep it stable
2021-06-11T04:06:09 < jadew> that's really cool, wish I had one
2021-06-11T04:06:49 < kakium69> do you have community around your area englishman?
2021-06-11T04:07:01 < jadew> they meet in the air
2021-06-11T04:07:03 < englishman> yes there's a lot of people actually
2021-06-11T04:07:11 < englishman> the school and shop is only about 20mins away
2021-06-11T04:08:49 < jadew> I think I would do something stupid like trying to graze the trees and end up tangled in there and freeze to death
2021-06-11T04:08:51 < kakium69> found any thermals yet?
2021-06-11T04:09:18 < kakium69> englishman: you have vario?
2021-06-11T04:09:23 < englishman> yeah you kind of can't fly when the sun is high because of thermals
2021-06-11T04:09:29 < englishman> nope
2021-06-11T04:09:49 < kakium69> you can fly - in an upwards spiral
2021-06-11T04:10:03 < jadew> what's the problem with the thermals? they keep you up or it's bumpy?
2021-06-11T04:10:33 < kakium69> it's not similar bumpy as in fast jet
2021-06-11T04:10:49 < jadew> I would think so, but who knows
2021-06-11T04:11:40 < kakium69> it's more like when you push floor number in elevator and feel the cabin moving
2021-06-11T04:11:48 < kakium69> maybe a bit stronger
2021-06-11T04:13:39 < kakium69> thermals have gradual edges
2021-06-11T04:13:43 < jadew> ebay prices for high frequency attenuators are higher than if you were buying them new...
2021-06-11T04:15:43 < jadew> if you switch to "sold", there are none sold - I wonder why
2021-06-11T04:17:38 < kakium69> if thermal has 10m/s core and -5m/s decending around it that flying through that in fraction of a second makes a bump for a plane
2021-06-11T04:21:02 < jadew> https://www.ebay.com/itm/153458344242
2021-06-11T04:21:12 < jadew> "like new"...
2021-06-11T04:21:22 < jadew> I can get that actually new for $150
2021-06-11T04:30:00 < kakium69> I realized I don't listen any high tempo musics anymore
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2021-06-11T08:19:51 < machinehum> https://imgur.com/a/GihHld1
2021-06-11T08:19:55 < machinehum> Pretty happy with that
2021-06-11T08:20:14 < machinehum> If it boots is a completely seperate question
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2021-06-11T20:13:09 < brdb> rebooting the laptop fixed it, how odd
2021-06-11T20:13:12 < brdb> rebooting the laptop fixed it, how odd
2021-06-11T20:29:11 < Steffanx> Are you sure mr brdb?
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2021-06-11T20:44:38 < qyx> he sait it twice, so he must be sure
2021-06-11T20:44:42 < qyx> *said
2021-06-11T21:58:01 < Steffanx> heh seeing Mangy_Dog on the front page of imgur is new: https://imgur.com/gallery/2kqbdRq :P
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2021-06-11T22:18:36 < Mangy_Dog> :p
2021-06-11T22:18:37 < Mangy_Dog> yep
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2021-06-12T00:09:17 < machinehum> You guys think I can use this trash for SMD shit?
2021-06-12T00:09:18 < machinehum> https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/aim-nitroflux-kit-0586007p.html
2021-06-12T00:09:26 < machinehum> I just need to unbridge a little bridge
2021-06-12T00:09:32 < machinehum> on a fine pitch component
2021-06-12T00:10:58 < machinehum> The acid flux in plumbing solder differs from electrical solder, which contains rosin flux. ... However, that corrosive acid flux will rapidly degrade wiring if plumbing solder is mistakenly used for electronics.
2021-06-12T00:11:00 < machinehum> Great
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2021-06-12T03:25:59 < steve_> did this channel switch to libera?  I'm getting booted from libera using xchat, maybe some auth issue.  
2021-06-12T03:27:18 < englishman> some people did
2021-06-12T03:28:06 < steve_> are there more nicks online over there?
2021-06-12T03:28:32 < englishman> no. but it's not like any effort was made to move people
2021-06-12T03:29:15 < steve_> i just went onto #systemd and the welcome message is "you're on the wrong network"
2021-06-12T03:29:38 < englishman> ok
2021-06-12T03:29:50 < BrainDamage> near the totality of the open source projects jumped over
2021-06-12T03:30:39 < BrainDamage> and the new "owner" of freenode cemented his dictatorship portrait by taking over channels and banning others that mentioned libera.chat
2021-06-12T03:30:55 < steve_> ok i'l have to figure it out then, thanks.  Did yalls clients work without any auth setup?
2021-06-12T03:32:16 < steve_> it wont even let me connect, perhaps some tcp/ssl thing
2021-06-12T03:32:47 < BrainDamage> i had no issues
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2021-06-12T03:33:00 < BrainDamage> what url are you using?
2021-06-12T03:33:51 < steve_> irc.libera.chat:6697
2021-06-12T03:34:08 < steve_> is that going to ban me lol
2021-06-12T03:34:22 < BrainDamage> no unless you put it in the channel topic
2021-06-12T03:35:48 < BrainDamage> same url as here, is sasl on or off?
2021-06-12T03:37:57 < steve_> dont know what that is until I saw it on the libera site so probably that's it.
2021-06-12T03:45:01 < ColdKeyboard> Does any of the STM32WB series support (has examples) for A2DP sink?
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2021-06-12T13:17:18 < jadew> so... it turns out spiders can live without food or water for weeks
2021-06-12T13:17:54 < jadew> I caught one in a test tube about 2 weeks ago (if not a little more), and it's still alive
2021-06-12T13:19:06 < jadew> this means that if you buy shit off of the internet, you can also import poisonous spiders from exotic lands
2021-06-12T13:19:13 < jadew> they will survive the trip
2021-06-12T13:20:00 < jadew> they might not survive a regular post trip tho...
2021-06-12T13:20:57 < jadew> even tardigrades are at risk during those shipments
2021-06-12T13:22:06 < jadew> latest shipment I got from the romanian post took them one and a half months to get from one part of the city, through customs and then to me
2021-06-12T13:24:09 < jadew> I got it yesterday and ebay it's not even showing it anymore in the order history, that's how old it is
2021-06-12T13:28:21 < jadew> I wish they would just fire everyone working there and sell the assets of the company to recoup whatever losses they have
2021-06-12T13:28:25 < jadew> then let the free market deal with it
2021-06-12T13:29:14 < jadew> state run companies/institutions are the most frustrating things ever
2021-06-12T13:30:07 < jadew> they're the pinnacle of incompetence
2021-06-12T13:30:13 < BrainDamage> uh, you can always use couriers
2021-06-12T13:30:27 < BrainDamage> it's not like there's no alternative
2021-06-12T13:30:50 < jadew> right, but couriers are not as cheap
2021-06-12T13:30:59 < jadew> if there was no regular post, there would be much cheaper services
2021-06-12T13:31:01 < jadew> and much much better
2021-06-12T13:31:27 < jadew> because postal services from other countries would do the picking, and they wouldn't work with incompetents
2021-06-12T13:33:14 < BrainDamage> you live in some weird delusion, I think you have a strong bias from the long mismanagement of communism and the still lingering leftover in your economy
2021-06-12T13:33:34 < jadew> BrainDamage, it is possible
2021-06-12T13:33:49 < BrainDamage> here even after many services got liberalized, the state owned remained competitivee
2021-06-12T13:33:58 < BrainDamage> emphasis on owned, not subsidized
2021-06-12T13:34:03 < jadew> if things are going better in other countries, fine, but in here the problems are obvious
2021-06-12T13:35:24 < jadew> maybe you have an anti-nepotism culture, but in here we are stuck with literally incompetent people in all ranks of state-owned institutions
2021-06-12T13:35:48 < jadew> they never hire based on competence
2021-06-12T13:36:35 < jadew> even the lowest employees at the post office, got in because they know someone
2021-06-12T13:40:04 < jadew> "Q: Why are sexual relations prohibited in state owned institutions? A: Because incest is illegal."
2021-06-12T13:45:03 < BrainDamage> no, but we had in the past the problem that it was hard to fire state employees
2021-06-12T13:45:27 < BrainDamage> as in, when you landed the job it was for life no matter your performance
2021-06-12T13:45:48 < jadew> oh right, I remember that being a thing here as well
2021-06-12T13:45:48 < BrainDamage> we had to change quite a few laws and policies and took more than a decade to fix i
2021-06-12T13:45:55 < jadew> I don't know if we got rid of it
2021-06-12T13:46:20 < jadew> it might not apply to all jobs, but there are some to which it certainly applies
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2021-06-12T19:16:59 < R2COM> yo
2021-06-12T19:19:46 < kakium69> yo
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2021-06-12T19:27:21 < R2COM> you know im watching these various linux youtubers nowadays and im amazed by how fucking retarded they  are
2021-06-12T19:27:34 < R2COM> they automatically mark as shit anything what comes from microsoft
2021-06-12T19:27:49 < R2COM> even if that stuff is really good, *open source* and *MIT* licensed
2021-06-12T19:27:52 < R2COM> like VSCode
2021-06-12T19:28:13 < R2COM> some of them even marked it as "proprietary software" 
2021-06-12T19:28:14 < R2COM> lol
2021-06-12T19:28:25 < R2COM> fucking imbeciles, no wonder linux fails on desktops
2021-06-12T19:28:29 < R2COM> driven by imbeciles
2021-06-12T19:29:19 < R2COM> those people are so retarded, that even within an open source software, they attack anything what has BSD or MIT license
2021-06-12T19:29:28 < R2COM> its insane
2021-06-12T19:29:56 < R2COM> i mean...you insulting a corpo with proprietary soft - OK np. but ....you insulting someone who made software and licensed it with most permissive license? hello?!
2021-06-12T19:29:57 < R2COM> wow
2021-06-12T19:30:15 < veverak1> so you have rant about 'there exists stupid people on youtube' ?
2021-06-12T19:30:29 < veverak1> well, welcome to 21. century :D
2021-06-12T19:30:43 < R2COM> rthe thing is, its not just youtube, its all over within so called open source OS community
2021-06-12T19:31:18 < veverak1> nope, it is not
2021-06-12T19:31:41 < R2COM> i can sense above described attitudes all over
2021-06-12T19:31:43 < R2COM> what you mean not
2021-06-12T19:31:49 < R2COM> its on forums its everywhere
2021-06-12T19:32:19 < R2COM> followers of pedo Richard Stallman, the disgusting bearded greasy piece of shit
2021-06-12T19:32:29 < R2COM> and a commie too
2021-06-12T19:32:57 < veverak1> nope, it is not
2021-06-12T19:33:10 < R2COM> what is not
2021-06-12T19:33:15 < veverak1> everywhere implies that I would have to meet it
2021-06-12T19:33:33 < veverak1> so far I met a few guys that were so fanatic/stupid about OS
2021-06-12T19:33:36 < R2COM> i dont have time for nitpicking, but pretty sure you got the idea
2021-06-12T19:33:58 < R2COM> almost every Linux youtuber is what i described above
2021-06-12T19:34:10 < R2COM> i watched already like 8-9 top ones
2021-06-12T19:34:39 < kakium69> you are right R2COM
2021-06-12T19:34:47 < kakium69> those are the real lunix users
2021-06-12T19:34:49 < veverak1> welp, I don't watch youtubes, so feels like it may be youtube focused issue
2021-06-12T19:35:18 < R2COM> if you live in a hole you wont see anything
2021-06-12T19:35:37 < R2COM> i wish to stop watching youtube as well and move to LBRY but... its not there yet
2021-06-12T19:36:03 < veverak1> thing is, in general youtubes say tons of shit as far as I know, so this ^^ is not really suprising/unexpected
2021-06-12T19:36:37 < R2COM> what do you watch then
2021-06-12T19:36:54 < veverak1> movies, tv shows, or READ shit
2021-06-12T19:37:23 < R2COM> i also use youtube for multiple soundtracks etc
2021-06-12T19:37:42 < veverak1> and especially in linux content, everytime I see 'linux tutorial' where guy shows how to write commands IN A VIDEO I get insta triggered
2021-06-12T19:37:44 < R2COM> and I do not have TV package, i.e. no TV
2021-06-12T19:37:51 < veverak1> me neither
2021-06-12T19:38:22 < veverak1> anyway, I don't watch linux-related videos or coding related videos as I think that video is poor media for that and prefer text
2021-06-12T19:38:54 < veverak1> I like wood carving videos thou :)
2021-06-12T19:39:07 < R2COM> video is OK for surface information, say while I am having breakfast, i get to see overall video before i finish and go do work
2021-06-12T19:39:21 < R2COM> its like, additional information you can get with video or even sound while driving
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2021-06-12T19:40:15 < veverak1> people that drive and watches video at the same time are stupid
2021-06-12T19:40:22 < R2COM> i said sound
2021-06-12T19:40:29 < veverak1> I did not said 'you'
2021-06-12T19:41:10 < veverak1> I like audiobooks/podcasts, but using that media for anything technical seems weird
2021-06-12T19:41:34 < veverak1> R2COM: anyway, try to avoid generalizing over entire linux community based on few famous people on youtube, that's stupid
2021-06-12T19:42:12 < R2COM> i see that shit in chats, threads as well
2021-06-12T19:43:52 < veverak1> from all those people or just the fact that some dumbshit appears?
2021-06-12T19:44:42 < veverak1> I am on multiple IRC channels, work on university where bigger half of the staff are OS fans and try to communicate with people in various FOSS projects
2021-06-12T19:44:52 < veverak1> so I meet all the marks for 'fanboy'
2021-06-12T19:45:06 < veverak1> and yet the level of stupidity you described is still rare
2021-06-12T19:45:17 < veverak1> (do not get me wrong ,I hate those people too)
2021-06-12T19:46:07 < qyx> I am curious what a term "proprietary software" means
2021-06-12T19:46:23 < qyx> because google quite agrees it is what vscode is
2021-06-12T19:46:57 < qyx> and I hope R2COM has read all the licensing requiremends beyond MIT, there are few
2021-06-12T19:47:19 < qyx> incl telemetry data and stuff
2021-06-12T19:47:21 < R2COM> VSCode is open source with MIT license
2021-06-12T19:47:36 < R2COM> *open source*
2021-06-12T19:47:37 < R2COM> *MIT*
2021-06-12T19:47:45 < R2COM> above two is enough to be qualified fully FREE
2021-06-12T19:47:54 < qyx> yes, and it is a proprietary software developed under the microsoft trademark
2021-06-12T19:48:00 < R2COM> telemetry can be: A) turned off B) removed in source if one is that paranoid
2021-06-12T19:48:43 < R2COM> i mean yeah.... but MIT kinda nullifies it practically
2021-06-12T19:49:29 < R2COM> someone can theoretically take it, compile, close source and sell for $$ and MS wont be able to sue them
2021-06-12T19:55:28 < R2COM> hm...some people at work use huge like 55" TVs on desks to do work like...coding etc... i wonder how practical is it to have such large screen in front of you for stuff like that...even if its 4K
2021-06-12T19:55:51 < R2COM> i think 27" is kinda max size for best 4K performance
2021-06-12T19:56:03 < kakium69> 32"
2021-06-12T19:56:22 < R2COM> 32" start making your head to turn when looking from one corner to another
2021-06-12T19:56:38 < kakium69> 32" is bestest for FPS gayming
2021-06-12T19:56:43 < R2COM> my concept is, ..minimal movements with head and all inside your screen
2021-06-12T19:57:02 < R2COM> for true FPS its 2K screen with 140hz
2021-06-12T19:57:26 < kakium69> sizewise 32" is better than 27"
2021-06-12T19:57:29 < kakium69> I tried
2021-06-12T19:57:59 < veverak1> why is head movement a bad idea?
2021-06-12T19:58:03 < veverak1> I mean, I actually like it
2021-06-12T19:58:10 < veverak1> as long as it is balanced, that is
2021-06-12T19:58:31 < kakium69> but I bought 27" as all arounder 165hz that can do work and gaym and not being massive
2021-06-12T19:58:31 < R2COM> i have HDR monityor
2021-06-12T19:59:19 < kakium69> also color quality specs for 27" were much better for same price than 32"
2021-06-12T20:00:35 < R2COM> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PGL2WVS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
2021-06-12T20:00:38 < R2COM> this is what i have
2021-06-12T20:01:34 < R2COM> i bought it for $250 lol now its almost $350
2021-06-12T20:01:55 < kakium69> time to sell my 960 gtx
2021-06-12T20:02:02 < kakium69> I go to no-graphics mode
2021-06-12T20:02:15 < kakium69> who needs visuals
2021-06-12T20:02:48 < kakium69> cryptocrash apparently didn't flood markets with gpus
2021-06-12T20:03:02 < R2COM> glad i did not fall for that shit with mining
2021-06-12T20:03:48 < R2COM> i bought lots of stocks for oil on Nov 2020 now im riding on almost 2x ca$flow increase
2021-06-12T20:04:24 < R2COM> i prefer not to deal with unpredictable shit like crypto or Tesla, Nvidia shares etc
2021-06-12T20:04:42 < R2COM> where faggot like Elon Cuck can manipulate the shit with his dumb tweets
2021-06-12T20:06:20 < kakium69> ye
2021-06-12T20:07:01 < kakium69> make or break with a single tweet
2021-06-12T20:18:15 < BrainDamage> pretty sure oil market can be manipulated with a single tweet from saudi arabia's prince
2021-06-12T20:18:17 < BrainDamage> he's just not interested to
2021-06-12T20:18:54 < BrainDamage> as long as market price is inflated from base price, then it's subject to human emotions
2021-06-12T20:19:07 < BrainDamage> and oil is massively inflated in price
2021-06-12T20:21:49 < R2COM> "<BrainDamage> pretty sure"
2021-06-12T20:21:57 < R2COM> irc person is pretty sure, so i should be too
2021-06-12T20:22:39 < BrainDamage> I never use my own person as a motive for an argument, i don't understand why you're approaching the personal angle
2021-06-12T20:23:01 < BrainDamage> you haven't rebutted the real argument, just attacked me
2021-06-12T20:23:28 < R2COM> you did not bring the reasoning for your argument of "inflated price for oil"
2021-06-12T20:23:39 < R2COM> im all ears now to listen to the reasoning for that statement
2021-06-12T20:24:29 < R2COM> argument cannot be considered real until its supported by facts/explanations
2021-06-12T20:26:18 < BrainDamage> sure, all you have to do is open google and enter 'oil inflation', for the same reason I don't have to give reasoning why the sky is blue, it's a commonly accepted fact
2021-06-12T20:26:49 < BrainDamage> and near the totality of markets are massively inflated over the base value, it's nothing out of ordinary
2021-06-12T20:28:02 < R2COM> what a funny response...lol
2021-06-12T20:28:10 < R2COM> "open google and put these words and see"
2021-06-12T20:28:39 < R2COM> i dont wanna open google, i want to open say.. market data for any oil company, pick any...say... XOM, or CVX... and see statistics for last 5 years
2021-06-12T20:28:53 < R2COM> and guess what graph shows? the price was even larger and stable for few years before
2021-06-12T20:28:57 < R2COM> and now its actually less...
2021-06-12T20:29:02 < R2COM> so how the FUCK is it inflated?
2021-06-12T20:29:07 < R2COM> ...
2021-06-12T20:29:08 < BrainDamage> that won't give you if the price of oil is inflated compared to the extraction costs
2021-06-12T20:29:34 < BrainDamage> it can be stable at 100x value, and yet be inflated
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2021-06-12T20:29:49 < BrainDamage> i said over base price, I was pretty specific
2021-06-12T20:29:50 < R2COM> its a dumb thinking, its like... "why cars costs $$$ when it takes $ to make it" stupid statement
2021-06-12T20:30:35 < BrainDamage> well, it's what governs markets, as long as the price is not tied to a physical resource, it meeans it's completely up to the people trading it
2021-06-12T20:30:42 < BrainDamage> including their sentiments
2021-06-12T20:31:10 < BrainDamage> and markets abandoned values tied to physical resources ages ago
2021-06-12T20:32:25 < R2COM> you are bringing in unrelated stuff now
2021-06-12T20:32:58 < R2COM> and instead of giving solid explanation your best response was "open google and see"
2021-06-12T20:33:29 < BrainDamage> I'd be opening googlee myself and throw you a link if my isp allowed to open more connections
2021-06-12T20:33:52 < R2COM> cool
2021-06-12T20:33:52 < BrainDamage> so instead i'm waiting for either to unclog, or for you to act as a rational being
2021-06-12T20:34:12 < BrainDamage> so far, I think I have more chance for #1 to happen
2021-06-12T20:35:41 < R2COM> with such great knowledge in the area im assuming you don't even need to work, you probably trade stocks and make six figured in an easy way
2021-06-12T20:36:11 < BrainDamage> ah more personal attacks, you truly are a great individual to converse with
2021-06-12T20:36:31 < R2COM> you are just too sensitive
2021-06-12T20:36:43 < qyx> no.
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2021-06-12T20:52:27 < englishman> r2commie is not wrong, commodity and value stonks are seeing large inflows and tech/growth is seeing outflows
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2021-06-12T20:54:06 < englishman> oil price has risen back to about what it was before the pandemic. idk if any conclusions can be drawn about oil prices over the last year tho due to the extreme situation everyone was in
2021-06-12T20:56:35 < englishman> concrete, steel, oil, minerals have all grown
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2021-06-12T21:25:09 < ColdKeyboard> Any DIY signal generators recommendations?
2021-06-12T21:25:44 < ColdKeyboard> I see eBay has ton of these DDS signal generators. Are they absolute garbage or can be used for the range they are speced?
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2021-06-12T21:34:49 < zyp> why not both?
2021-06-12T22:23:19 < qyx> garbage in the specced range?
2021-06-12T22:24:57 < jpa-> ColdKeyboard: i have JDS6600 (60 MHz model); it works quite ok for my purposes
2021-06-12T22:26:04 < jpa-> the output amplitude starts to drop at around 40 MHz and is not terribly accurate either (seems to vary around +-5% or so)
2021-06-12T22:27:53 < jpa-> and it does not dither the sinewave so it has some harmonics at about 500x the generated frequency
2021-06-12T22:28:42 < kakium69> oil prices can be divided to extraction cost and oil itself?
2021-06-12T22:28:58 < kakium69> and the oil part is what is gambled on stock markets?
2021-06-12T22:29:25 < jpa-> futures are what is gambled, not actual oil
2021-06-12T22:29:39 < jpa-> because no-one wants to store the oil while you are busy gambling
2021-06-12T22:29:52 < kakium69> true
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2021-06-12T22:34:55 < kakium69> but I mean oil price lives it own life little caring about extraction price(actual cost of oil)
2021-06-12T22:35:00 < kakium69> ?
2021-06-12T22:36:48 < jpa-> yeah, it is almost the opposite that how many oil fields are open depends on oil price
2021-06-12T22:37:15 < jpa-> because they know that the oil will stay in the ground, and if it is not good profit to pump it out, why would they
2021-06-12T22:39:01 < kakium69> is oil price going up or down?
2021-06-12T22:39:08 < kakium69> in 5year
2021-06-12T22:39:22 < kakium69> give your strong opinion jpa
2021-06-12T22:39:53 < jpa-> in what currency?
2021-06-12T22:40:58 < kakium69> eur
2021-06-12T22:41:27 < jpa-> probably up; i would be surprised if the USD and EUR currencies wouldn't see significant inflation in next few years
2021-06-12T22:42:10 < englishman> do you think the price of oil will outpace that inflation
2021-06-12T22:42:29 < kakium69> my friend had good point on hyperinflation
2021-06-12T22:42:53 < jpa-> (i don't expect hyperinflation, just some 5-10% yearly inflation)
2021-06-12T22:43:03 < kakium69> by definition there is no hyperinflation as long poor people stay cash poor
2021-06-12T22:43:48 < jpa-> englishman: i don't think there is a good definition for a single inflation rate number, it will vary very much from commodity to commodity; but i think oil price will be quite close to other energy sector inflation
2021-06-12T22:43:50 < kakium69> and have poor people (mid class to say) suddenly started to become loaded?
2021-06-12T22:44:23 < jpa-> kakium69: why would poor people matter for hyperinflation?
2021-06-12T22:45:06 < kakium69> 90% of people have an effect to economy?
2021-06-12T22:45:19 < jpa-> 90% people are poor??
2021-06-12T22:45:32 < kakium69> "poor"
2021-06-12T22:45:47 < jpa-> i'm not cash poor, are you cash poor?
2021-06-12T22:45:53 < kakium69> sure
2021-06-12T22:45:56 < qyx> thats 50%
2021-06-12T22:45:59 < jpa-> why?
2021-06-12T22:46:09 < qyx> two finns, one cash poor, one not
2021-06-12T22:46:09 < jpa-> don't you know how to save?
2021-06-12T22:46:15 < kakium69> indeed
2021-06-12T22:46:21 < kakium69> also lazy
2021-06-12T22:46:47 < jpa-> apparently cash poor means "Possessing considerable economic assets, but unable to quickly or easily liquidate them for monetary transactions."   so you say that poor people have considerable assets?
2021-06-12T22:47:24 < kakium69> I didn't mean that by cash poor
2021-06-12T22:47:43 < jpa-> so what do you mean? just that poor people don't have money?
2021-06-12T22:49:03 < kakium69> I mean when someone wins at lottery
2021-06-12T22:49:16 < kakium69> blows the whole moneypile in 2 years
2021-06-12T22:50:44 < Steffanx> gotta spend the money with low interest of nowadays :)
2021-06-12T22:50:53 < Steffanx> the low
2021-06-12T22:51:26 < kakium69> jpa-: by poor I mean not in control of their own economy
2021-06-12T22:51:46 < englishman> that reminds me, the local lotto has risen up to the value where it is statistically profitable to play
2021-06-12T22:51:49 < jpa-> i don't think 90% of people are "not in control of their own economy"
2021-06-12T22:51:51 < englishman> time to get a ticket
2021-06-12T22:52:02 < kakium69> jpa-: me neather
2021-06-12T22:52:04 < jpa-> maybe 50% control it badly, but they are still in control
2021-06-12T22:52:17 < jpa-> kakium69: then wtf are you going on about
2021-06-12T22:52:39 < kakium69> nothing then
2021-06-12T22:52:48 < jpa-> such insight
2021-06-12T22:52:51 < jpa-> much economist
2021-06-12T22:54:07 < kakium69> yes
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2021-06-12T23:06:15 < Steffanx> Whats the price to win mr englishman?
2021-06-12T23:07:23 < englishman> the price to win?
2021-06-12T23:07:28 < englishman> i guess $2
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2021-06-12T23:08:06 < englishman> but that's a silly way of putting it, because if you win, the price is negative
2021-06-12T23:09:11 < Steffanx> i mean how high is the jackpot this time.
2021-06-12T23:09:23 < englishman> 70m
2021-06-12T23:09:47 < Steffanx> quite a few Telsas that is
2021-06-12T23:10:50 < englishman> i can only drive one at a time
2021-06-12T23:11:14 < englishman> but lilD will need one so it can self-drive him to the store to get treats
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2021-06-13T02:03:09 < englishman> hey steffy i got a scratchoff ticket with my lottery ticket and won $20!
2021-06-13T02:03:35 < kakium69> you do lottery?
2021-06-13T02:03:46 < englishman> today yes, because it's statistically profitable
2021-06-13T02:04:08 < englishman> but i got the scratchoff because it had a picture of a bbq on it and i was kinda hungry
2021-06-13T02:05:28 < kakium69> can lottery be statistically profitable?
2021-06-13T02:06:03 < englishman> yes, if the average payout is greater than the cost of a ticket times the odds of winning
2021-06-13T02:06:05 < kakium69> you mean statistically you lose less?
2021-06-13T02:06:26 < englishman> ie, if you were to buy every ticket, you would be up
2021-06-13T02:06:26 < kakium69> hmm
2021-06-13T02:06:36 < englishman> unless someone else wins of course
2021-06-13T02:06:40 < englishman> and you have to split it.
2021-06-13T02:06:41 < kakium69> and you didn't
2021-06-13T02:06:48 < kakium69> you didn't buy all of them
2021-06-13T02:06:51 < englishman> you know i heard this story about a guy who found a way to short the lottery
2021-06-13T02:07:07 < englishman> he started an office lotto pool and collected the $2 from everyone each week
2021-06-13T02:07:18 < englishman> then he'd come up with a bunch of random numbers and email them to everyone
2021-06-13T02:07:29 < englishman> you never win the lotto, so he just pocketed the money
2021-06-13T02:07:38 < kakium69> yes
2021-06-13T02:07:42 < kakium69> :O
2021-06-13T02:07:43 < englishman> if for some crazy reason they actually did win, he just has to tell everyone that he's an asshole
2021-06-13T02:08:24 < kakium69> I bought lottery ticket today too
2021-06-13T02:08:27 < englishman> there is legal precedent for this, because it's exactly what AIG did by insuring mortgages that they could never possibly cover, leading to the 2008 crisis
2021-06-13T02:08:33 < kakium69> first time in years
2021-06-13T02:09:26 < englishman> yeah same i don't even know the last time i bought a ticket
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2021-06-13T02:19:28 < kakium69> I was thinking about statistical probablities while bying the ticket
2021-06-13T02:20:26 < kakium69> so ofc in canadistan I would have won
2021-06-13T02:20:39 < englishman> in canada everyone is a winner
2021-06-13T02:21:02 < kakium69> I should move to canadistan?
2021-06-13T02:21:20 < englishman> how's your french
2021-06-13T02:22:28 < kakium69> no
2021-06-13T02:22:38 < BrainDamage> https://pics.onsizzle.com/6a-itd-be-ridiculous-quebec-became-a-french-canadian-culture-3933939.png
2021-06-13T02:22:45 < kakium69> no in written and no in spoken
2021-06-13T02:23:36 < BrainDamage> non
2021-06-13T02:24:04 < kakium69> non
2021-06-13T02:24:10 < kakium69> I'm learning
2021-06-13T02:24:43 < englishman> riddle me this bd
2021-06-13T02:24:50 < kakium69> what the heck I wrote canada to youtubes and I get multiple videos about why you shouldn't move to canadistan
2021-06-13T02:25:08 < englishman> in ontario, an english province, a guy who doesn't speak french and has never been to quebec mowed down a family of muslims with his pickup truck
2021-06-13T02:25:12 < englishman> how is it quebec's fault
2021-06-13T02:25:42 < kakium69> I think few years back I did check canada and the videos were reasons to immigrate to canadistan
2021-06-13T02:25:55 < englishman> yeah i wouldn't move to english canada either
2021-06-13T02:27:56 < kakium69> englishman: same vibe than with that australian guy who went to christchurch?
2021-06-13T02:28:38 < englishman> idk
2021-06-13T02:30:27 < BrainDamage> idk, I only know it's always quebec's fault
2021-06-13T02:30:55 < kakium69> how is canada?
2021-06-13T02:31:20 < BrainDamage> also, when I flew there the bilingual thing weirded me a bit
2021-06-13T02:31:40 < BrainDamage> i heard the english version, my brain switched tto english, then hheard french
2021-06-13T02:31:46 < BrainDamage> switched to french
2021-06-13T02:31:51 < BrainDamage> ended up mixing sentences
2021-06-13T02:32:22 < kakium69> do they speak mixed sentences too?
2021-06-13T02:33:21 < englishman> i do sometimes yeah
2021-06-13T02:33:39 < englishman> but in the english parts, people are typically monolingual
2021-06-13T02:34:40 < kakium69> ofc
2021-06-13T02:38:26 < kakium69> will quebec gain independence?
2021-06-13T02:43:31 < englishman> no
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2021-06-13T03:12:23 < kakium69> when do you build a smoke sauna?
2021-06-13T03:13:22 < kakium69> just build a small log cabin and place 4 metric tonnes of stones in one corner
2021-06-13T03:13:49 < kakium69> remember to leave a fireplace inside the stones
2021-06-13T03:14:11 < kakium69> then just make a fire inside that fireplace
2021-06-13T03:15:34 < kakium69> when stones are hot and fire is out you vent the smoke out and go to sit on bench inside and throw water at the stones
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2021-06-13T03:26:25 < ColdKeyboard> jpa- Thanks for the recommendation. I'll take a look at it. I don't need anything too powerful but from time-to-time I do find that I could benefit from just having a signal generator laying around. Even if it's not high end version.
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2021-06-13T03:46:57 < englishman> if you want something pro but dated, you can get 33120a for super cheap
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2021-06-13T06:07:17 < ColdKeyboard> englishman how cheap is super cheap? :)
2021-06-13T06:07:30 < ColdKeyboard> I think I saw one of these before somewhere... or they all look the same :\
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2021-06-13T13:07:56 < BrainDamage> found kakimir's irl job: http://www.hitechglobal.com/Accessories/PCIE_EndPoint_SMA_Breakout.htm
2021-06-13T13:08:09 < BrainDamage> even has power over sma
2021-06-13T13:11:17 < Steffanx> Ohno, keep it in the pants kakium69 
2021-06-13T13:11:21 < Steffanx> Oh he's not here
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2021-06-13T16:44:53 < Laurenceb_> sup
2021-06-13T16:45:06 < Laurenceb_> inflatable sphere kicking tiem
2021-06-13T16:45:20 < Laurenceb_> oh my god
2021-06-13T16:45:26 < Laurenceb_> someone just kicked the sphere
2021-06-13T16:50:23 < englishm1> are you watching the sphere professionals performing their assigned duties?
2021-06-13T16:50:44 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2021-06-13T16:50:57 < Steffanx> what the hell are sphere professionals
2021-06-13T16:51:13 < Steffanx> oh, soccer?
2021-06-13T16:51:16 < Laurenceb_> kick the sphere hard enough and the sphere will kick back at you
2021-06-13T16:52:02 < Laurenceb_> lol ppl boo'd the knee
2021-06-13T16:52:06 < Laurenceb_> epin trawl
2021-06-13T16:52:11 < Steffanx> You missed the game yesterday Laurenceb_? Finland - Denmark. Where some player collapsed on the field? The air got out.
2021-06-13T16:52:36 < englishm1> is the group of professionals from the region closest to your location performing their duties in a superior fashion to the group which hails from a more distant region?
2021-06-13T16:54:40 < Steffanx> why canada isnt there englishm1?
2021-06-13T17:13:21 < Steffanx> Party time Laurenceb_
2021-06-13T17:13:30 < Steffanx> Go run naked over the street.
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2021-06-13T18:22:21  * Laurenceb_ has a laptop with glitchy screen
2021-06-13T18:22:38 < Laurenceb_> almost looks like it lost vsync, but its not quite so simple
2021-06-13T18:22:54 < Laurenceb_> gpu fault or screen itself?
2021-06-13T18:23:04 < Laurenceb_> it has a discrete gpu
2021-06-13T18:24:56 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should try to reflow the gpu
2021-06-13T18:25:36 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: check the LVDS cable too
2021-06-13T18:28:38 < Laurenceb_> yeah ok
2021-06-13T18:28:51 < Laurenceb_> that has failed before, coffee got into it
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2021-06-13T18:29:18 < Laurenceb_> I cant stop it glitching by bashing the side of the screen this time, but that doesnt prove its the cable
2021-06-13T18:29:45 < Laurenceb_> would a gpu solder ball failure be more likely to cause a crash or sudden corruption?
2021-06-13T18:30:17 < Laurenceb_> I'm guessing this looks like either a failure of the cable or of a solder ball in the signal path, it looks like video signal corruption
2021-06-13T18:30:40 < Laurenceb_> like a crt with missing vsync
2021-06-13T18:31:19 < Laurenceb_> *prove its not the cable
2021-06-13T18:31:48 < Laurenceb_> do gpus usually drive LVDS directly, or is there a driver ic inbetween?
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2021-06-13T18:46:18 < rajkosto> gpus can drive LVDS directly for laptop models
2021-06-13T18:46:36 < rajkosto> so yeah your ribbon cable might have come loose
2021-06-13T18:46:47 < rajkosto> or got smushed in the hinge somewhere
2021-06-13T18:50:31 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: I've read professional laptop repair folks say when GPU fails it's usually the connection inside the GPU, and if heating the area to the solder melting temperature is enough to "fix" it usually the fix is not permanent and the connection inside the chip is going to fail again soon, so only soldering new GPU can really help in most of the cases like that; but "reflowing" it is a useful
2021-06-13T18:50:37 < PaulFertser> diagnostic procedure.
2021-06-13T19:06:03 < Laurenceb_> ok
2021-06-13T19:06:15 < Laurenceb_> I'll fix it tomorrow... maybe
2021-06-13T19:12:27 < PaulFertser> You're damn optimistic
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2021-06-13T19:29:22 < Laurenceb_> https://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Emergency_20_27alibi_27_20button_20for_20porn_20sites#1623551745
2021-06-13T19:37:13 < jpa-> for laurenceb, that would just be a hotkey to switch back to 4chan
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2021-06-13T22:02:19 < Laurenceb_> the autists responsible for nasaspaceflight
2021-06-13T22:02:21 < Laurenceb_> https://youtu.be/T0AZIvjXjZc
2021-06-13T22:02:27 < Laurenceb_> sound as expected
2021-06-13T22:06:08 < Laurenceb_> some troll needs to ask a superchat about emdrive
2021-06-13T22:13:42 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWQAs0xPe0Q
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2021-06-13T23:57:35 < upgrdman> anyone know why an analog mux would cause an oscillation when the mux'd voltage is near 1/2 vdd?
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2021-06-14T00:03:02 < R2COM> it would be helpful if you show more details like what is on in and out of mux
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2021-06-14T00:09:54 < upgrdman> http://farrellf.com/temp/analog_mux_problem.png
2021-06-14T00:11:03 < upgrdman> the op amp is used to convert a +/-48V input into a 0.5-2.8V output. it works perfect without the mux in the signal path. it glitches bad near half VDD when the mux is in the signal path.
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2021-06-14T00:21:12 < kakium69> helloium
2021-06-14T00:21:41 < upgrdman> hey kak
2021-06-14T00:21:48 < upgrdman> you good with analog circuits?
2021-06-14T00:22:49 < kakium69> absolutelly terrible
2021-06-14T00:22:57 < kakium69> sure I can cook up some basic analogics
2021-06-14T00:23:10 < kakium69> basic op amp circuits
2021-06-14T00:23:41 < upgrdman> maybe i'll get lucky:
2021-06-14T00:23:46 < upgrdman> http://farrellf.com/temp/analog_mux_problem.png
2021-06-14T00:23:48 < upgrdman> the op amp is used to convert a +/-48V input into a 0.5-2.8V output. it works perfect without the mux in the signal path. it glitches bad near half VDD when the mux is in the signal path.
2021-06-14T00:24:10 < upgrdman> trying to figure out why it glitches when the mux is there.
2021-06-14T00:26:28 < jadew> obviously a phase issue
2021-06-14T00:26:35 < upgrdman> ?
2021-06-14T00:26:39 < kakium69> jadew!
2021-06-14T00:26:58 < jadew> but that opamp is specified as being stable for a gain > 4 or ≤ 3
2021-06-14T00:27:38 < upgrdman> does ltspice have a component for sim'ing a propagation delay? maybe the delay added by the mux is causing the problem
2021-06-14T00:28:02 < kakium69> are you within spec of mux?
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2021-06-14T00:28:34 < jadew> can you plot the gain?
2021-06-14T00:29:00 < kakium69> ah yes I see voltage axis is ok
2021-06-14T00:29:02 < upgrdman> how?
2021-06-14T00:29:31 < jadew> the ratio of the voltages 
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2021-06-14T00:30:07 < jadew> wait
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2021-06-14T00:31:21 < upgrdman> jadew, gain for the op amp? its fixed by those resistors
2021-06-14T00:31:45 < jadew> that's DC gain
2021-06-14T00:31:47 < upgrdman> 1meg and 25k... so 2.5%
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2021-06-14T00:37:40 < kakium69> what is this device supposed to do?
2021-06-14T00:39:20 < emeb_mac1> Gotta admit - I don't know why you'd put an analog switch into the feedback path of an opamp. Seems  like asking for trouble when the switch opens up.
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2021-06-14T00:40:04 < kakium69> why the first one doesn't have any change to op_amp_inv_input?
2021-06-14T00:40:27 < kakium69> the heck is happening there
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2021-06-14T00:40:59 < jadew> kakium69, because the opamp keeps it there
2021-06-14T00:41:25 < kakium69> ah ofc
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2021-06-14T00:42:37 < kakium69> so the mux adds 120ohms and 25pf
2021-06-14T00:42:49 < jadew> my problem is that I don't know how to calculate the gain of the opamp in this situation
2021-06-14T00:42:56 < jadew> it could be close to 1
2021-06-14T00:43:02 < kakium69> it's black magics
2021-06-14T00:43:25 < jadew> in which case the opamp is already in an unstable situation, because the datasheet says so
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2021-06-14T00:44:13 < kakium69> certainly it's close to unstability when adding a mux throws it off
2021-06-14T00:44:24 < upgrdman_> jadew, but without the mux, the op amp doesnt glitch... so why would the mux push it into an unstable region?
2021-06-14T00:44:53 < jadew> upgrdman_, it probably adds enough extra delay to kick it into oscillation
2021-06-14T00:44:59 < kakium69> upgrdman: try adding 120ohm series + 25pf parallel without mux
2021-06-14T00:45:04 < upgrdman_> i tried another random op amp and got similar behavious (glitch with mux, no glitch without...)
2021-06-14T00:45:25 < kakium69> upgrdman: I want to see if those make the exact effect
2021-06-14T00:45:29 < upgrdman_> kakium69, 25p in parallel with the 120r?
2021-06-14T00:45:46 < kakium69> 25pf to output of amp
2021-06-14T00:45:50 < upgrdman_> k
2021-06-14T00:45:54 < kakium69> then 120ohm
2021-06-14T00:45:59 < kakium69> series
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2021-06-14T00:46:55 < kakium69> I used some very special muxes in production tester
2021-06-14T00:47:05 < kakium69> those were like 10eurs a pop
2021-06-14T00:47:28 < upgrdman_> kakium69, looks good: https://imgur.com/a/vGJ13Q9
2021-06-14T00:47:49 < kakium69> move 25pf after the resistor
2021-06-14T00:48:40 < upgrdman_> k
2021-06-14T00:48:42 < upgrdman_> still looks good
2021-06-14T00:48:57 < upgrdman_> i dont see a spice primitive to add a delay. fuck
2021-06-14T00:49:04 < kakium69> up the resistance to 330
2021-06-14T00:49:11 < kakium69> that is maximum of datasheet
2021-06-14T00:50:26 < upgrdman_> 330 and 500 both look good
2021-06-14T00:50:46 < kakium69> put that 25pf parallel to 500
2021-06-14T00:51:46 < kakium69> idk.
2021-06-14T00:52:00 < kakium69> propably it's the propagation delay
2021-06-14T00:52:05 < upgrdman_> ya
2021-06-14T00:52:06 < jadew> I would check V2 vs output to see how the phase varies
2021-06-14T00:52:17 < kakium69> 5-11ns
2021-06-14T00:52:19 < jadew> and vs output from the mux
2021-06-14T00:52:21 < upgrdman_> trying to find a spice component for modeling a pure delay
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2021-06-14T00:53:51 < kakium69> can you determine the oscillation frequency upgrdman?
2021-06-14T00:53:56 < kakium69> zooming in
2021-06-14T00:54:11 < kakium69> adding more accuracy timesteps
2021-06-14T00:56:58 < upgrdman> oh, BV can sim a delay. testing now
2021-06-14T00:57:57 < kakium69> 5ns typical 11ns max
2021-06-14T01:00:25 < upgrdman> hmm. 5ns looks good. 8ns cause oscillation (but always, not just near 1/2 vdd)
2021-06-14T01:01:13 < upgrdman> don't oscopes use a similar circuit (mux + resistors) to adjust gain? how the fuck do they not get fucked up
2021-06-14T01:01:26 < kakium69> relays
2021-06-14T01:01:55 < upgrdman> not for gain tho?
2021-06-14T01:02:13 < upgrdman> relays arent clicking when i do 1v/2v/5v/10v per div selection
2021-06-14T01:02:24 < kakium69> isn't that gain?
2021-06-14T01:02:35 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/a/Fjpnzh7
2021-06-14T01:03:01 < upgrdman>  1v/2v/5v/10v per div is gain. but relays dont click for that, so relays arent used for gain! (?)
2021-06-14T01:03:22 < kakium69> upgrdman: add now couple hundred ohm and 25pf
2021-06-14T01:03:46 < kakium69> just somewhere see what happens
2021-06-14T01:04:21 < upgrdman> makes oscillations worse. biggers and slower freq
2021-06-14T01:06:34 < kakium69> drop delay
2021-06-14T01:07:03 < kakium69> but yeah.. it's concluded that the delay is the cause
2021-06-14T01:07:20 < upgrdman> 100ps prop delay... https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/ADG3257.pdf
2021-06-14T01:07:26 < upgrdman> ya
2021-06-14T01:07:37 < upgrdman> is a "bus mux" not for analog shits?
2021-06-14T01:08:51 < kakium69> not intended for analog shiets
2021-06-14T01:08:59 < kakium69> but may work
2021-06-14T01:10:45 < kakium69> in some uses
2021-06-14T01:12:44 < kakium69> or idk if bus switches are just better in every way?
2021-06-14T01:20:26 < upgrdman> hmm. seems like oscopes put the attenuator BEFORE the op amps. makes sense, but damn, now i need to generate a negative voltage rail for the attenuator mux.
2021-06-14T01:20:28 < upgrdman> https://reference.digilentinc.com/test-and-measurement/analog-discovery/reference-manual?redirect=1
2021-06-14T01:21:41 < BrainDamage> kakium69: http://www.hitechglobal.com/Accessories/PCIE_EndPoint_SMA_Breakout.htm
2021-06-14T01:22:19 < upgrdman> lol
2021-06-14T01:22:21 < kakium69> not lenght matched?
2021-06-14T01:22:25 < upgrdman> peak kak'ing there
2021-06-14T01:23:08 < kakium69> cool price of ~1k
2021-06-14T01:23:21 < kakium69> where is HD photos
2021-06-14T01:23:39 < upgrdman> can solid state relays switch voltages outside their vdd/gnd range?
2021-06-14T01:24:26 < kakium69> solid state relays are triacs with opto built in?
2021-06-14T01:24:37 < BrainDamage> the module ones are triaccs
2021-06-14T01:24:52 < kakium69> are there other type?
2021-06-14T01:24:58 < upgrdman> hmm looks like bandwdith of SSRs is shit. nevermind :/
2021-06-14T01:25:08 < BrainDamage> yes, the integrated ones, a passtransistor gate
2021-06-14T01:25:17 < BrainDamage> aka p and n mos in parallel
2021-06-14T01:25:39 < BrainDamage> it can switch voltages above the gate's
2021-06-14T01:25:48 < BrainDamage> and  below
2021-06-14T01:26:00 < BrainDamage> because either one of the p or n is ohmic
2021-06-14T01:26:54 < BrainDamage> large muxes are usually implemented using this logicc
2021-06-14T01:26:56 < BrainDamage> due to size
2021-06-14T01:27:16 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_gate
2021-06-14T01:30:44 < kakium69> upgrdman: are you buildings your own DSO?
2021-06-14T01:31:49 < upgrdman> kakium69, sort of. more than a 7MSPS thinggy. you could call it a slow oscope or a fast data logger. 12 channels, sharing 7MSPS.
2021-06-14T01:32:03 < upgrdman> max input +/- 48V
2021-06-14T01:32:27 < upgrdman> i also pulled the trigger on the pcb order. good thing i decent to sim my analog shits.
2021-06-14T01:32:34 < upgrdman> s/also/almost
2021-06-14T01:32:47 < upgrdman> s/decent/decided
2021-06-14T01:32:54 < upgrdman> shit, fuck my typing
2021-06-14T01:42:05 < kakium69> found the multiplexer I used in production tester
2021-06-14T01:43:24 < kakium69> https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/mux36s08.pdf
2021-06-14T01:43:44 < kakium69> propagation delay was not a consern though
2021-06-14T01:45:05 < kakium69> not that expensive i recalled
2021-06-14T01:45:15 < kakium69> 2.5usd@1k
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2021-06-14T03:43:13 < jadew> have you guys ever seen power rated MLCC caps?
2021-06-14T03:44:53 < jadew> I have one that's getting kinda hot and I'd like to make sure it's in spec
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2021-06-14T03:58:32 < kakium69> heat dissipation?
2021-06-14T03:58:49 < kakium69> doesn't that go generally by the physical size?
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2021-06-14T04:30:58 < jadew> yeah, but I would like to make sure and not just go by the rating of resistors of similar size
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2021-06-14T13:02:24 < Mangy_Dog> have all the core people moved over to the new network yet?
2021-06-14T13:02:48 < Mangy_Dog> id really like to close all the freenode windows i can
2021-06-14T13:03:02 < Mangy_Dog> as things are just getting so much worse at the top
2021-06-14T13:05:10 < Mangy_Dog> na still a few here D:
2021-06-14T13:10:08 < Streaker> Mangy_Dog: make me Op and I'll /kick everyone out. Even Steffanx.
2021-06-14T13:10:43 < Mangy_Dog> lol
2021-06-14T13:10:45 < Mangy_Dog> im not even an op :D
2021-06-14T13:11:12 < Streaker> dang!
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2021-06-14T13:14:34 < ventYl> start discussing libera there, agents will come, kick us all out and take over the channel
2021-06-14T13:14:42 < ventYl> s/there/here
2021-06-14T13:40:28 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Streaker] by ChanServ
2021-06-14T13:54:38  * Streaker kicks Steffanx from ##stm32
2021-06-14T13:56:52 <@Streaker> Too many people are not on the new network. dongs_ PaulFertser 
2021-06-14T13:58:06 < PaulFertser> Streaker: I'm on OFTC and Libera
2021-06-14T13:58:23 <@Streaker> oh. Sorry. different nick I suppose.
2021-06-14T13:58:29 < PaulFertser> Same
2021-06-14T13:59:09 < Mangy_Dog> youre not in stm32
2021-06-14T13:59:10 < Mangy_Dog> :p
2021-06-14T13:59:23 < Mangy_Dog> oh you are
2021-06-14T13:59:31 < Mangy_Dog> strange i didnt see you when i last looked
2021-06-14T14:01:44 < ventYl> selective blindness
2021-06-14T14:01:58 < ventYl> i have that too for things which have moved a bit from the place where I put them
2021-06-14T14:02:36 < Mangy_Dog> naaa he just wasnt there till being reminded here :D
2021-06-14T14:03:28 < Mangy_Dog> once most people move over there, ill remove this from my auto join. then i have 3 other chans to get htem shifted over then i can say goodbuy to the trainwreck that is freenode for good
2021-06-14T14:04:07 < ventYl> this is my last one
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2021-06-14T14:51:13 < Steffanx> Mangy_Dog just leave it up to the people. I'm not going to force anyone out
2021-06-14T14:51:24 < Steffanx> Maybe people love freenode or leenode
2021-06-14T14:51:25 < Mangy_Dog> nods
2021-06-14T14:52:24 < Mangy_Dog> it might be worth putting in the topic
2021-06-14T14:52:27 < Mangy_Dog> moved to the new network
2021-06-14T14:52:35 < Steffanx> We did not move
2021-06-14T14:52:40 < Steffanx> We are also there 
2021-06-14T14:52:44 < Mangy_Dog> poop
2021-06-14T14:52:47 < Mangy_Dog> :p
2021-06-14T14:52:54 < Steffanx> And its also in the topic. Partially
2021-06-14T14:53:04 < Mangy_Dog> even after the latest drama?
2021-06-14T14:53:10 < Mangy_Dog> root banning irccloud on a whim
2021-06-14T14:53:25 < Steffanx> It's still up to the people to leave or not
2021-06-14T14:53:31 < Mangy_Dog> nods
2021-06-14T15:21:21 < jpa-> i wouldn't be surprised if libera breaks up in another bunch of drama within a year
2021-06-14T15:23:04 < Mangy_Dog> well who knows but i think its unlikel given its the core freenode peeps outside of the new mangament
2021-06-14T15:24:24 < BrainDamage> it's just that now there's a precedent, so internal squabbles will have the split option as a valid threat
2021-06-14T15:24:37 < karlp1> money will become an actual problem
2021-06-14T15:25:38 < Mangy_Dog> do irc servers consume that much bandwidth?
2021-06-14T15:29:07 < BrainDamage> when you have hundred thousand of users, yes
2021-06-14T15:29:33 < Mangy_Dog> but its all compressed text
2021-06-14T15:29:52 < BrainDamage> it has to be replicated over the network of ircds
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2021-06-14T15:54:31 < zyp> I wouldn't think the traffic volume is all that significant in 2021 scale
2021-06-14T15:57:00 < ventYl> leenode deadtimer shows ~200k privmsgs /day (?) with median length of ~150 bytes at most
2021-06-14T15:57:13 < ventYl> even if it was replicated to 100 servers, that's irrelevant traffic
2021-06-14T15:57:28 < ventYl> and yeah, I am aware of the fact that those are just privmsgs
2021-06-14T16:29:13 < qyx> why is karlp1 1?
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2021-06-14T16:37:13 < karlp> what?
2021-06-14T16:38:20 < karlp> I would guess cpu these days, otherwise why else would they have been working on a new ircd?
2021-06-14T16:38:23  * karlp shrugs
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2021-06-15T01:18:56 < kakium69> mkay
2021-06-15T01:19:05 < kakium69> all the important people are here
2021-06-15T08:29:09 < jpa-> and all the best SMA links
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2021-06-15T12:29:41 < ventYl> schroedinger channel, it exists and doesn't exist at the same time
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2021-06-15T17:23:14 < mawk> Steffanx: 
2021-06-15T17:23:26 < mawk> have you registered the channel on the new freenode?
2021-06-15T17:40:53 < Steffanx> No, it was englishman or whoever it was
2021-06-15T17:41:47 < Steffanx> Mr mawk 
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2021-06-15T21:05:19 < qyx> ok, it's about time
2021-06-15T21:05:27 < qyx> fuck you lee
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