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2026-09-01T19:57:58 < karlp> fixed my first bug in $newjob, and it's related to cmake syntax of lists. hooray cmake
2026-09-01T20:02:39 < jbo> congratz!
2026-09-01T20:02:54 < karlp> yeah, super, removing a single dangling comma char, winning.
2026-09-01T20:08:22 < jbo> I once changed a 1 to a 0 after three weeks of fucking around and saved an entire project. sometimes a comma is all it takes.
2026-09-01T20:10:15 < karlp> yeah, my first job out of uni I had a week or two week bug tracking down for performance issues that was an extra ; too.
2026-09-01T20:10:22 < karlp> those one char changes, wheee
2026-09-01T20:10:54 < jbo> see, you're a natural!
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2026-09-01T20:56:25 < jpa-> karlp changed jobs again?
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2026-09-01T23:57:00 < karlp> no, just the one, just started today.
2026-09-01T23:57:12 < karlp> three months notice, so I probably mentioned it first back in the spring
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2026-09-02T00:32:22 < bitmask> hey hey hey
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2026-09-02T09:44:20 < fantanYl> karlp: did you change the job yet again?
2026-09-02T10:36:04 < jpa-> such job hopping
2026-09-02T10:51:31 < fantanYl> ah, there's an answer burried down in stream of joins and parts
2026-09-02T10:53:08 < fantanYl> they want me to repeat the CreepyOS workshop
2026-09-02T10:53:17 < fantanYl> i don't understand why
2026-09-02T10:59:44 < jpa-> do you get paid to do it?
2026-09-02T11:01:12 < fantanYl> yes... poorly
2026-09-02T11:45:26 < Steffanx> How many did the workshop fantanYl 
2026-09-02T12:31:20 < fantanYl> 3
2026-09-02T12:31:49 < fantanYl> at least, maybe there were more but stayed completely silent. just a "competition" doing due diligence
2026-09-02T13:34:17 < karlp> oh fuck me, another weird cmake ism today
2026-09-02T13:34:22 < karlp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/XfvnS
2026-09-02T13:34:44 < karlp> help text is required!
2026-09-02T13:34:59 < karlp> lol2 has help text of "OFF" and a default value of OFF
2026-09-02T13:35:13 < karlp> lol1 has a help text of ON, which also default values to OFF
2026-09-02T13:36:19 < fantanYl> yeah
2026-09-02T13:36:41 < fantanYl> it doesn't even protest if you try to pass "non-bool" to option
2026-09-02T13:37:12 < fantanYl> then you can spend half day investigating why your default is corrupted only to find out that option is on/off only and there is no non-bool equivalent
2026-09-02T13:37:48 < fantanYl> kernkonzept will be in Deimlerstadt
2026-09-02T13:38:57 < karlp> so, now to find out whether this thing that was meant to be on, was actually meant to be on then :)
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2026-09-02T18:14:52 < karlp> man buildroot really is kinda clunktastic
2026-09-02T18:22:02 < karlp> cloning fucking glibc yech.
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2026-09-02T19:03:13 < jbo> better switch to yocto
2026-09-02T19:03:27 < jbo> everything will be flawlessly perfect there because it's a different thing
2026-09-02T19:04:16 < karlp> oh god no, I'm not considering moving things, this is existing infra :)
2026-09-02T19:04:49 < jbo> I never actually touched buildroot, I have only done yocto stuff so far
2026-09-02T19:05:03 < jbo> (not saying it's great, just saying it's the only thing I "know")
2026-09-02T19:05:45 < karlp> just the host leakage is nasty, some things expected host bison instead of the buildroot built host bison and then some things have failed because host is gcc 16, which is too new for some packages, even though it built a host gcc 14 internaly, but didn't it use for some packages...
2026-09-02T19:05:54 < karlp> mostly thbat shit not being done properly, that's all.
2026-09-02T19:06:36 < karlp> some people here have setup containers for it, but they've done rooted docker ones with fixed assumed shared paths so some symlinking works which is super fragile as well.
2026-09-02T19:07:00 < karlp> anyway, back to "big linux" build shit, instead of "verbose, yet simple bare metal" build shit
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2026-09-02T23:22:02 < qyx> my usb3 hub doesn't work with usb2-only cable (micro-b)
2026-09-02T23:22:05 < qyx> why
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2026-09-02T23:52:31 < jbo> in all seriousness: did you try another cable?
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2026-09-03T00:09:14 < ds2> is D+/D- not passed through/provided by the hub?
2026-09-03T00:09:29 < ds2> or a missing pull on the CC line so VBUS never activates?
2026-09-03T00:25:01 < qyx> jbo: no, but I tried this cable with another device and it worked
2026-09-03T00:25:15 < qyx> it is a usb3 hub with micro-b socket, so nah meh
2026-09-03T00:31:39 < ds2> in what way is it USB3? it can't be speed as that requires different wiring
2026-09-03T00:32:30 < jbo> ooh, you talk upstream, not downstream
2026-09-03T00:41:33 < qyx> ds2: usb3 has micro-b
2026-09-03T00:41:44 < qyx> same as b
2026-09-03T00:42:01 < qyx> and usb3 micro-b is backwards compatible with usb2
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2026-09-03T03:34:55 < nomorekaki> nightly drive-by
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2026-09-03T05:08:31 < vampirefrog> ok so this would be the schematic of the firmware audio pipeline  https://thelounge.vampi.tech/uploads/db4dce67cf58f099/image.png 
2026-09-03T05:09:46 < vampirefrog> and there's a mixer diagram that I haven't made yet
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2026-09-03T06:36:59 < vampirefrog> https://thelounge.vampi.tech/uploads/1072512520b69621/Untitled%20Diagram.drawio.png 
2026-09-03T06:37:04 < vampirefrog> okay I'm fairly happy with that
2026-09-03T06:41:15 < vampirefrog> I'll need to add some opamps but at least the concept is out of my head
2026-09-03T07:05:03 < vampirefrog> https://thelounge.vampi.tech/uploads/39d4652950fa3fb4/Untitled%20Diagram.drawio(1).png 
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2026-09-03T10:20:05 < vampirefrog> Hmm so I asked the clanker and it says the F407 doesn't have enough I2S peripherals for 4 in/4 out stereo
2026-09-03T10:20:28 < jpa-> was it too hard to look at the datasheet?
2026-09-03T10:20:34 < jpa-> also why such an ancient chip
2026-09-03T10:20:52 < vampirefrog> Yes I am at the dentist
2026-09-03T10:21:05 < jpa-> also why do you DAC before mixer?
2026-09-03T10:21:22 < jpa-> i.e. why not mix digitally
2026-09-03T10:21:25 < vampirefrog> Because I want to monitor the mix with no latency
2026-09-03T10:22:04 < vampirefrog> And it has to be the final mix before going back into the PC
2026-09-03T10:24:20 < vampirefrog> Well the F407 is what I have and what I'm familiar with
2026-09-03T10:48:42 < qyx> well I have an ancient ink pen I was using 30y ago for transcribing documents but I prefer printer nowadays
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2026-09-03T11:49:34 < vampirefrog> sounds like you have 30 years of attitude too
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2026-09-03T14:25:09 < vampirefrog> Welp, looks like I'm shopping for micros. Not even sure what to look for cause I have to select the codec along with it
2026-09-03T14:25:29 < vampirefrog> Unless I can use the built in DAC/ADCs
2026-09-03T15:15:59 < vampirefrog> so I'm looking at STM32F429I-DISC1 now 
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2026-09-03T17:54:46 < jbo> what did I miss?
2026-09-03T17:56:19 < jbo> we're doing analog mixing with an f407?
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2026-09-04T01:14:55 < machinehum> Updating uboot
2026-09-04T01:19:08 < zyp> good luck
2026-09-04T01:19:17 < machinehum> zyp: ty
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2026-09-04T09:04:52 < vampirefrog> Well yes it's a specialized mixer with an audio interface and some effects.
2026-09-04T09:18:30 < vampirefrog> https://www.ebay.com/itm/318337028464 ok so this looks better but the datasheet doesn't list SAI in  the overview but it is listed later in the content. Weird
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2026-09-04T14:41:09 < jpa-> meh, unlike e.g. W25Q128, the W25Q256JW datasheet doesn't say you need to run WREN instruction before block unlock instructions
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2026-09-04T19:35:04 < vampirefrog> so I'll go with the F429, I found a local seller for their disco board. hopefully the LCD on it doesn't interfere with SAI
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2026-09-05T08:28:45 < nohit> vampirefrog: you can see that by opening the board cubemx projecyt
2026-09-05T08:32:29 < vampirefrog> I can see that CubeMX is for pros because it's windows only
2026-09-05T08:33:21 < nohit> SAI_A is usable
2026-09-05T08:33:28 < nohit> SAI_B has conflict with SPI
2026-09-05T08:33:29 < nohit> 5
2026-09-05T08:33:51 < nohit> i think cubemx is crossplatform
2026-09-05T08:34:53 < vampirefrog> you're right I didn't look carefully
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2026-09-05T08:42:24 < vampirefrog> hmm is there a schematic of the disco board?
2026-09-05T08:42:30 < nohit> yes
2026-09-05T08:42:34 < vampirefrog> within cube?
2026-09-05T08:43:07 < nohit> https://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/32f429idiscovery.html#cad-resources
2026-09-05T09:03:09 < vampirefrog> thanks I'm looking at it
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2026-09-05T10:58:40 < vampirefrog> Hmm so the whole SAI thing was because I thought I'd find a 8x8 codex which I cannot, so I think I'll just get 4 2x2 codecs and figure out how to sync them on the same clock
2026-09-05T10:58:52 < vampirefrog> So those would be cheaper
2026-09-05T11:00:28 < vampirefrog> Which also lowers the requirements on the micro
2026-09-05T11:19:58 < zyp> if you need like four synced I2S channels in each direction, maybe it'd be easiest to just base it on a FPGA
2026-09-05T11:20:58 < zyp> LUNA should already have decent UAC support, you could probably reference tiliqua to get started
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2026-09-05T14:04:34 < vampirefrog> so just use that exclusively without a stm32?
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2026-09-05T14:35:42 < vampirefrog> I dunno but I never figured out how to program them at all, but at the same time a lot of my ideas seem to require one eventually
2026-09-05T14:36:13 < vampirefrog> I guess if I knew both STM32 + a CPLD usually I'd get by
2026-09-05T14:36:38 < vampirefrog> I did get some ebay dev boards but never even figured out binky led
2026-09-05T14:36:48 < qyx> what about using some current mcu with audio interface in TDM mode and using more than one codec?
2026-09-05T14:39:04 < vampirefrog> yeah so that's probably what I'll do, the F429 has 2xSAI so I can use 2 4x4 codecs
2026-09-05T14:39:20 < qyx> I am saying one sai in tdm
2026-09-05T14:39:22 < vampirefrog> I'm assuming SAI/TDM does not have some kind of chaining and that I need to use two separate periphs somehow in sync
2026-09-05T14:39:37 < vampirefrog> can I use one SAI in TDM with multiple codecs?
2026-09-05T14:39:43 < qyx> you apparently don't know what tdm is
2026-09-05T14:39:44 < qyx> yes
2026-09-05T14:39:54 < vampirefrog> no for sure I don't know what TDM is
2026-09-05T14:40:00 < qyx> iirc 8 channels 32 bit max
2026-09-05T14:40:10 < vampirefrog> 8 channels in each direction?
2026-09-05T14:41:42 < qyx> hm idk
2026-09-05T14:49:31 < vampirefrog> but the codecs need to support TDM?
2026-09-05T15:25:21 < vampirefrog> looks like I can just use a PCM3168A it has enough channels
2026-09-05T15:25:36 < vampirefrog> so F429 + PCM3168A should do the trick
2026-09-05T15:25:43 < vampirefrog> my local mouser distributor doesn't have it though
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2026-09-05T16:15:52 < vampirefrog> ok so I found AD1938, but it only has 4 ADCs so I'll just reduce the specs and it'll be good. I'll use one stereo input and 2 mono inputs
2026-09-05T16:15:57 < vampirefrog> plus there's that dev board on ebay
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2026-09-06T16:10:23 < Posterdati> hi
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2026-09-06T16:11:09 < Posterdati> please help, how can I compile a c++ project using arm-none-eabi toolchain without wchar functions support? Thanks!
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2026-09-06T16:27:38 < mawk> that sounds like an X/Y problem
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2026-09-06T17:12:24 < Posterdati> mawk: as I use printf ld complains about putwc, getwc and ungetwc functions
2026-09-06T17:17:11 < mawk> newlib does support all that
2026-09-06T17:17:23 < mawk> widechar string functions
2026-09-06T17:20:12 < Posterdati> and why it cannot link those?
2026-09-06T17:20:36 < Posterdati>  undefined reference to `putwc'
2026-09-06T17:20:45 < Posterdati> during link
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2026-09-06T19:34:40 < Posterdati> :(
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2026-09-06T21:57:34 < Posterdati> I thinkhttps://community.st.com/stm32cubeide-mcus-28/why-stm32cubeide-linker-files-discard-libc-a-libg-a-and-libgcc-a-61167 I solved: 
2026-09-06T21:57:53 < Posterdati> I think I solved the linker problem :) -> https://community.st.com/stm32cubeide-mcus-28/why-stm32cubeide-linker-files-discard-libc-a-libg-a-and-libgcc-a-61167
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2026-09-07T15:51:17 < Steffanx> I was doing some flash writing and suddenly wondered if the brown out setting actually solved your flash corruption issues jpa-, so did it (for now)?
2026-09-07T15:52:49 < jbo> hello Steffanx
2026-09-07T15:52:56 < jbo> I'm happy to read you
2026-09-07T15:53:54 < Steffanx> Hello Mr sir jbo. 
2026-09-07T15:53:58 < Steffanx> Gutentag
2026-09-07T15:54:33 < Steffanx> Ich wüschen ihnen.
2026-09-07T15:56:12 < mawk> guten tag herr Steffanx 
2026-09-07T15:56:35 < jbo> bitte nicht mit dem busfahrer sprechen, herr Steffanx 
2026-09-07T15:56:42 < mawk> eyes on the road
2026-09-07T15:57:03 < Steffanx> Lol jbo. 
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2026-09-07T15:57:37 < Steffanx> Whoa mawk is alive. How's smartcardting?
2026-09-07T15:58:03 < mawk> of course I'm immortal
2026-09-07T15:58:14 < mawk> I am smartcarding a cool backup file format
2026-09-07T15:58:32 < mawk> with encryption and integrity protection and forward error correction and signature
2026-09-07T15:58:45 < mawk> signed with a PGP card or a PKCS#11 token or whatever
2026-09-07T15:58:45 < jbo> is it written in zig?
2026-09-07T15:58:52 < mawk> in bash
2026-09-07T15:58:59 < mawk> I'm just assembling existing stuff
2026-09-07T15:59:05 < mawk> nobody should write their own crypto
2026-09-07T15:59:09 < mawk> maybe I will do python
2026-09-07T15:59:14 < mawk> only the signature verification part is custom
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2026-09-07T16:00:47 < jpa-> Steffanx: it did
2026-09-07T16:01:18 < jpa-> Steffanx: later there was a hardware problem (a ceramic cap had short-circuited), which i suspect may have been causing the brownouts
2026-09-07T16:01:36 < jpa-> but enabling BOR prevented flash corruption
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2026-09-07T16:22:37 < Steffanx> Ah interesting 
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2026-09-09T09:29:53 < qyx> why is jlc not matching my JLCPCB Part #
2026-09-09T09:29:57 < qyx> for some components
2026-09-09T09:31:25 < qyx> aha when I select "edit part" in the web form, there is no matched component
2026-09-09T09:31:55 < qyx> but if I search for that Cxxxxx in the component search form, I can find it, even in stock
2026-09-09T09:32:02 < qyx> C728665 to be exact
2026-09-09T09:33:13 < qyx> and when I use "search compoennt" instead of "edit component" and search for C728665, it works and it is able to assign it
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2026-09-09T23:14:17 < karlp> fuckin lol https://bin.jvnv.net/file/eDNlU.png
2026-09-09T23:37:00 < qyx> of course we want more stars
2026-09-09T23:37:11 < qyx> ask him if it is for free, because it is opensores
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2026-09-10T01:13:41 < karlp> ok, micropython 1.29 on my boards now.  time to stop before actual project work might start :)
2026-09-10T01:41:20 < ds2> anyone else notice Google is hosting spammers and assorted alware servers? seems like 30-50% of the bad traffic is from a *.googleusercontent.com address
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2026-09-10T08:00:43 < jpa-> ds2: yeah, i think spammers are using chrome mobile proxy or something
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2026-09-10T12:03:54 < karlp> lol, copilot forced integration into outlook is offering me a summary of the days emails (there were _zero_ emails)
2026-09-10T12:05:00 < karlp> thought it would be fun to see whatit thought.  write itself 5 paragraphs of rules, thought, gave me _paragraph_ to say "last email was three days ago" and then created a multi paragraph bullet list of "suggested next actions"
2026-09-10T12:05:11 < jpa-> well what does the summary say? "You have no mail today, but do not worry, surely that doesn't mean that your coworkers do not appreciate you and that your existence here is unnecessary!"
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2026-09-10T12:06:12 < karlp> it's telling me to create an outlook rule to turn off slack notifications, whcih is nice.
2026-09-10T12:06:19 < karlp> better than... turning off the notifications I guess.
2026-09-10T12:06:28 < karlp> gotta keep the emails flowing for someone to read and summarize
2026-09-10T12:06:53 < fantanYl> what will outlook rule to turn off slack notifications do? move slack notification e-mails straight into trash?
2026-09-10T12:07:00 < karlp> I presume so.
2026-09-10T12:09:30 < fantanYl> that so smart
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2026-09-10T15:46:44 < karlp> weirdly enough, I'm somehow on an office365 bundle htat has copilot, but not teams.
2026-09-10T15:51:21 < fantanYl> that may easily be a feature. at one customer, all accounts lost teams access over the time. microsoft support confirmed that accounts have teams license and that everything is allright.
2026-09-10T15:51:49 < karlp> yeah, I don't want teams, I was just trying to open an app that would le met try out different connected cameras
2026-09-10T15:52:01 < karlp> anywya, back to qt lifecycle bugs I guess :)
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2026-09-10T16:11:41 < fantanYl> CreepyOS can now integrate CubeMX project in three lines. hopefully STM won't invent another breaking change in upcoming CubeMX releases
2026-09-10T16:12:45 < zyp> of course they will
2026-09-10T16:13:17 < fantanYl> well, last change was breaking, but it was actually a clean-up, so I can't complain
2026-09-10T16:13:35 < fantanYl> Raspberry Pi is much more active and creative in this field
2026-09-10T16:13:56 < fantanYl> their linker scripts are now generated by... who knows what exactly it is
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2026-09-10T20:02:59 < karlp> oh god dbus
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2026-09-10T20:12:13 < vampirefrog> CreepyOS? delivered from a guy in a trench coat in a van?
2026-09-10T20:14:57 < DrZak> thats RapeyOS
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2026-09-10T20:33:46 < vampirefrog> PedOS
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2026-09-10T21:18:12 < karlp> eh, crap. I didn't think this through
2026-09-10T21:19:13 < karlp> four n-fets does _not_ make a h-bridge
2026-09-10T21:19:41 < qyx> why
2026-09-10T21:21:04 < karlp> well, not the way I was hoping to, I think I need more wires maybe.
2026-09-10T21:21:14 < karlp> hrmmmm. 
2026-09-10T21:21:21 < karlp> feckin fecking
2026-09-10T21:21:30 < karlp> it's these stupid anti-parallel leds again
2026-09-10T21:22:26 < qyx> what about using that led matrix driver? xx5612 or what was the mpn
2026-09-10T21:23:00 < qyx> it charlieplexes 12 leds on 4 outputs, they are connected in both polarities
2026-09-10T21:23:01 < karlp> nah, I tried to not do my own board and bought a "4 nfet" esp32 board
2026-09-10T21:23:14 < karlp> but it has all the high sides connected together already.
2026-09-10T21:23:25 < qyx> was it lp5812?
2026-09-10T21:49:17 < karlp> that's one I looked at for rgb matrix, yeah
2026-09-10T21:49:23 < karlp> not really related to this though
2026-09-10T21:51:02 < karlp> yeah, this is maybe fixable with cutting board traces but meh.
2026-09-10T21:56:37 < qyx> yes but it may be usable to drive two anti-parallel strings
2026-09-10T21:56:42 < qyx> using the internal sequencer
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2026-09-10T22:35:16 < vampirefrog> I hate LED strips
2026-09-10T22:35:43 < vampirefrog> first of all I just need some light. why are there so many choices? and why do most of them have RGB? like who needs that, dude? I just want to see what I'm doing.
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2026-09-10T23:19:50 < jbo> don't buy RGB strips if you don't need/want RGB
2026-09-10T23:28:20 < Steffanx> Such life lesson
2026-09-10T23:28:42 < Steffanx> Thank you :)
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2026-09-11T09:20:29 < fantanYl> vampirefrog: i have no trenchcoat nor van
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2026-09-11T17:04:08 < jbo> karlp, are those cavli you used in the past good quality shit?
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2026-09-11T18:50:12 < karlp> I don't know. they came out just as we were giving up, they had a ncie price, sounded good.
2026-09-11T18:50:17 < karlp> I think qyx tried one?
2026-09-11T18:50:25 < karlp> I only protoed with the quacktels.
2026-09-11T18:50:45 < karlp> fucking, build fialure. can't figure it out. 
2026-09-11T18:51:01 < karlp> oh yeah.. of course. the buildroot package uses qbs, not the cmake files in tree...
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2026-09-11T19:12:49 < karlp> wow, having newjob doing lots of on device scripts in zsh is new.
2026-09-11T19:13:36 < karlp> also, TIL coproc
2026-09-11T19:14:33 < karlp> fuckers used named coproc, then fucking used raw fd numbers anyway!
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2026-09-11T19:25:08 < vampirefrog> wow I can't believe these guys how dare they
2026-09-11T19:25:13 < vampirefrog> somebody's gotta DO SOMETHING
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2026-09-11T19:33:21 < Steffanx> Why this negativity, frog?
2026-09-11T19:36:19 < karlp> you're right, I shouldn't use fuckers so fucking freel
2026-09-11T19:43:00 < vampirefrog> I was just empathizing with karl, steffan
2026-09-11T19:44:06 < jbo> don't worry, Steffanx is salty today I think
2026-09-11T19:44:54 < Steffanx> If someone was salty it was froggy
2026-09-11T19:46:48 < jbo> probably sunlight
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2026-09-11T21:21:32 < vampirefrog> y'all can just stop yearning for my salty frog legs
2026-09-11T21:29:02 < jbo> not sure, we got some french people here
2026-09-11T21:45:42 < mawk> yes
2026-09-11T21:45:44 < mawk> the best kind of people
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2026-09-11T22:22:05 < jbo> manger le frog
2026-09-11T22:50:45 < mawk> oui oui baguette
2026-09-11T22:50:46 < mawk> hon hon
2026-09-11T22:50:49 < mawk> sacrebleu
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2026-09-11T22:51:55 < mawk> oops
2026-09-11T22:52:13 < mawk> the middle click is too easy to do accidentally on this touchpad
2026-09-11T22:52:20 < mawk> I should remap it to left click
2026-09-11T22:52:23 < mawk> it's never useful
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2026-09-12T18:38:28 < jbo> mawk
2026-09-12T18:39:37 < mawk> jbo
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2026-09-12T20:57:28 < Steffanx> Watch out for this guy mawk. Swissers kill dutchies
2026-09-12T20:59:47 < mawk> is that true jbo ?
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2026-09-12T21:27:31 < jbo> only for profit, of course
2026-09-12T21:27:47 < jbo> it's not a race thing
2026-09-12T21:33:11 < mawk> lol
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2026-09-14T08:27:33 < qyx> good morning sunshines
2026-09-14T08:34:45 < mawk> it's too early qyx
2026-09-14T08:34:50 < mawk> you need to go back to bed
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2026-09-14T08:50:54 < fantanYl> bed is boring
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2026-09-14T12:23:53 < fantanYl> fryfox has this feature of language translations. it is apparently being done by small local AI
2026-09-14T12:24:06 < fantanYl> german -> english translation translates 208 to 2008
2026-09-14T12:43:03 < jpa-> probably depends on words around it
2026-09-14T12:43:21 < jpa-> but yeah, sounds pretty typical LLM behavior
2026-09-14T12:44:41 < fantanYl> in this particular case it is a number in table full of numbers, so basically no "words" around it
2026-09-14T12:50:46 < tomeaton17> https://x.com/_MG_/status/2099280572443218113 this is a nice design
2026-09-14T12:51:49 < jpa-> fantanYl: heh, yeah, happens for me too  https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/ff_translate.png
2026-09-14T12:51:53 < jpa-> only for german though
2026-09-14T12:56:54 < jpa-> https://github.com/mozilla/translations/issues/1388
2026-09-14T12:57:42 < jpa-> maybe they forgot to put "make no mistakes" in the prompt ;)
2026-09-14T13:07:21 < fantanYl> or did not command it to use standard for technical english
2026-09-14T13:12:29 < mercenary> new game: send AI output straight to jlc assembly, take bets on the amount of smoke coming off the board when powered up.
2026-09-14T13:21:18 < tomeaton17> lol I like the backwards usb the most
2026-09-14T13:22:52 < fantanYl> what was the process the board was conceived? did JLC run some "optimization" on it?
2026-09-14T13:32:45 < tomeaton17> I think the guy just got AI to generate it and then sent out the fab/asm files without any verification
2026-09-14T13:33:35 < karlp> that's whattheir comments say, yeah.
2026-09-14T13:33:47 < karlp> but they also claim to "still be making money on this" so... 
2026-09-14T13:36:15 < fantanYl> does JLC claim to do any verification of designs?
2026-09-14T13:36:20 < fantanYl> or what is the point of the comment?
2026-09-14T13:36:25 < fantanYl> s/comment/post/
2026-09-14T13:40:57 < karlp> I only took it as "lol, i got burnt, I bet they laughed at me"
2026-09-14T13:42:57 < fantanYl> OK, btw, is there a real problem with that shape of traces? like, we are used to use 45 degrees, but... whatever shortest path first should be worky as long as it is not fundamentally wrong
2026-09-14T13:43:47 < tomeaton17> Yeah they will assemble anything even if its obviously a mistake. A previous colleague left solder masks on all the pads and they fabbed it anyway lol
2026-09-14T13:44:01 < zyp> fantanYl, they do some verification
2026-09-14T13:44:21 < zyp> I've had them flag fuckups I made
2026-09-14T13:45:43 < fantanYl> so this one was "this is obviously AI slop, we aren't going to waste time on it" ?
2026-09-14T13:47:46 < tomeaton17> In previous they only check if its possible to fab and asm, I don't think there is any care about functionality 
2026-09-14T13:47:59 < zyp> yeah
2026-09-14T13:48:28 < fantanYl> well, at least, it was manufacturable!
2026-09-14T13:49:17 < zyp> in my case I fucked up the footprint of a component and placed them too close together
2026-09-14T13:50:39 < zyp> and I've also had a couple of false positives on the footprint check
2026-09-14T13:52:14 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/osAQt.png
2026-09-14T13:52:56 < qyx> yes they check, they warned me my TVS orientation is wrong, so I had to warn them their 3D model is wrong
2026-09-14T13:53:23 < zyp> they've also asked me to double check LED orientation before, it was correct
2026-09-14T13:53:52 < zyp> but yeah
2026-09-14T13:54:04 < zyp> if your design is manufacturable but stupid, that's on you :)
2026-09-14T13:54:18 < tomeaton17> I have been using pcbway recently and they make nice stuff, however quite a big markup on components
2026-09-14T13:54:41 < tomeaton17> I used to be a eurocircuits main but new company is too poor
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2026-09-14T15:07:28 < Steffanx> No more war engineering for tomeaton17 ?
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2026-09-14T15:20:58 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: no I got taken by the woke brigrade and work in battery tech now
2026-09-14T15:28:26 < specing> electric tanks, soon?
2026-09-14T15:47:45 < tomeaton17> we can't even do challenger 3 properly
2026-09-14T15:48:30 < tomeaton17> I am completely out of defence now
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2026-09-14T15:53:28 < specing> not many attackers these days, gotta switch to offense!
2026-09-14T16:00:03 < tomeaton17> I might go back but got a bit sick of consultancy
2026-09-14T16:00:41 < specing> consultancy? you were a consultant? What sickened you?
2026-09-14T16:03:09 < fantanYl> well, consultants are first to be made redundant in shitty conditions and oh boy, conditions are shitty
2026-09-14T16:03:48 < tomeaton17> I was spending most of my time doing business development and contractual stuff not actual engineering
2026-09-14T16:04:08 < tomeaton17> Conditions are great in defence consultancy
2026-09-14T16:06:53 < tomeaton17> specing: yes it was my graduate job
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2026-09-14T17:42:37 < c10ud> mfw claude arguing i need a safety supervision to run a sw he's brewing which is supposed to interact with real hw
2026-09-14T17:42:51 < c10ud> and interpreting my confirmations as sarcasm
2026-09-14T17:42:52 < c10ud> lol
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2026-09-15T09:56:23 < mawk> karlp I love dbus
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2026-09-15T10:16:35 < fantanYl> CMRX IPC is loosely modeled after it
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2026-09-15T11:56:57 < karlp> "Note that the hyphen ('-') character is allowed in bus names but not in interface names. "
2026-09-15T11:57:24 < karlp> no, it really is, it's massively opaque, and all the tooling around is is horrendous, but I do see what it let people do with automagical tooling
2026-09-15T11:58:56 < fantanYl> any IPC mechanism that provides reflection and works with compiled programming language *has* to be awful and weaved together by automagic tooling
2026-09-15T11:59:09 < karlp> it doesn't have to be awful. 
2026-09-15T11:59:45 < karlp> I don't mind the magic either, if it worked better,and had better docs around whatthe magic pieces need.
2026-09-15T11:59:55 < karlp> "you're still not holding it right" is.... not a selling point.
2026-09-15T12:00:11 < karlp> but, newjob is _wellll_ deep on dbus, so gonna learn :)
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2026-09-15T13:36:19 < karlp> fml, just when I thought I had come to terms with vscode.
2026-09-15T13:36:33 < karlp> "install the qt extension" ok. "no qt kit found"
2026-09-15T13:40:38 < fantanYl> nah, whatever microsoft sucks
2026-09-15T13:40:45 < fantanYl> today I gave up completely
2026-09-15T13:40:57 < jpa-> whatever software sucks
2026-09-15T13:41:23 < fantanYl> a while ago I made a toolkit to run windows kernel drivers in userspace, so I could test them and check with valgrind
2026-09-15T13:41:57 < fantanYl> today I started using it for finding memory leaks because whatever windows has sucks
2026-09-15T13:43:05 < karlp> scan for kits, found kit, trusted, gcc16.
2026-09-15T13:43:11 < karlp> run, that's not a kit...
2026-09-15T14:22:14 < karlp> ok, fixed, somehow, no idea how to actually do that correctly.
2026-09-15T14:43:25  * polprog just managed to implement ack-polling on stm32h7
2026-09-15T14:43:32 < polprog> this was more complex than i anticipated
2026-09-15T14:44:06 < polprog> why is i2c always such a pita
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2026-09-15T16:48:40 < jbo> karlp, where's the daily rant? I need my fix
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2026-09-15T17:17:45 < Steffanx> You missed it. 
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2026-09-15T17:21:22 < jbo> awww :<
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2026-09-15T19:04:36 < karlp> nothing, just sucking at readnig through mountains of dbus soup
2026-09-15T19:04:50 < karlp> was trying to get things working by understanding and running locally, 
2026-09-15T19:05:02 < karlp> gave up, did slow printf based deployments to the real hardware and debugged that way
2026-09-15T19:15:23 < karlp> in othernews, zsh is _weird_
2026-09-15T19:15:48 < karlp> I'm used to `ls /some/path/doesn-exist` returning "not found"
2026-09-15T19:16:02 < karlp> but zsh just "corrected" it to something that seemed relevant and gave me a listing ther einstead.
2026-09-15T19:17:48 < karlp> qt just did a fun one though.  you can a q qstringlist, size=3, do .remove(), which makes size go to 2.
2026-09-15T19:18:06 < karlp> if you the do lollist[2] you get the string htat was removed.
2026-09-15T19:18:19 < karlp> I get that it's a perf opt, but... I thought I was using size wrongly instead.
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2026-09-15T20:03:09 < qyx> have you tried asking your AI friends?
2026-09-15T20:03:24 < qyx> at least mine gets such things correctly
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2026-09-15T20:58:02 < polprog> i was trying to find out why the existence of adebug printf() made i2c work
2026-09-15T20:58:21 < polprog> turns out that if you are ack-polling, ie. doing a zero byte read
2026-09-15T20:58:33 < polprog> then the bit you need to wait for is in CR2 and not in ISR
2026-09-15T20:58:46 < polprog> there is a bit that is set to 1 when the address has been sent on the bus
2026-09-15T20:59:23 < polprog> only at that point you can start listening for a NAK (no device) or TXIS (device present)
2026-09-15T20:59:45 < polprog> that debug printf was introducing a delay that let the I2C periph send the address out
2026-09-15T21:00:45 < mawk> yeah karlp dbus is indeed not extremely easy to apprehend 
2026-09-15T21:01:04 < mawk> but the introspection is already pretty cool for debugging when the docs are buried
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2026-09-15T22:14:41 < aandrew> polprog: that printf() is a structural delay. :-)
2026-09-15T22:14:49 < aandrew> I've had a few of those in my code over the years
2026-09-15T22:15:00 < aandrew> dbus is fucking infuriating
2026-09-15T22:20:26 < polprog> i know that very well
2026-09-15T22:20:44 < polprog> but unfortunately the uart is also used to talk to a big computer
2026-09-15T22:20:55 < polprog> and the big computer does not like random printfs
2026-09-15T22:28:35 < aandrew> just redirect printf to /dev/null with a small character delay 
2026-09-15T22:29:03 < polprog> i would need to implement /dev/null first..
2026-09-15T22:33:32 < jbo> does your printf() not just call _putchar()?
2026-09-15T22:44:02 < polprog> it does, but then the putchar just calls my uart code
2026-09-15T22:44:35 < polprog> the proper place to implement it would be my write() that now ignores the fd argument
2026-09-15T22:44:41 < aandrew> sounds like a good place for if (fakeprint) { mdelay(1); }
2026-09-15T22:44:43 < polprog> that way i could fprint to various files
2026-09-15T22:44:50 < polprog> nah i fixed it eventually
2026-09-15T22:44:56 < polprog> just a funny case of structural printf
2026-09-15T22:45:02 < polprog> it is saved in one of the wip commits
2026-09-15T23:30:16 < jbo> looks like würth is in the SBC business now: https://www.we-online.com/en/components/products/GRINN-GENIOBOARD-EDGE-AI-SBC
2026-09-15T23:30:19 < jbo> machinehum probably gonna touch it
2026-09-15T23:37:55 < machinehum> jbo: too expensive and datasheets not in Chinese enough for me
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2026-09-16T00:30:49 < mawk> do RTT and not UART
2026-09-16T00:30:57 < mawk> or maybe SWO but idk
2026-09-16T00:33:08 < jbo> mawk, I suggested RTT to $customer two years ago and recently I got to look at their fw and they went NUTS on it. printf() every 10 LOCs
2026-09-16T00:33:47 < mawk> lol
2026-09-16T00:33:56 < mawk> that's good for debugging I guess
2026-09-16T00:35:37 < jbo> I'm getting the feeling that they didn't set a single breakpoint ever
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2026-09-16T17:08:44 < karlp> more dbus adventures, it seems all forms of remote access are not broken.
2026-09-16T17:08:53 < karlp> socat has long stopped working,
2026-09-16T17:09:13 < karlp> ssh -L 8080:/remote/socket/path root@lol sometimes works,
2026-09-16T17:09:43 < karlp> but only if you added allow_anonymous and auth via anonymous, and that seems to break things that expect and require authed only.
2026-09-16T17:10:04 < karlp> systemctl restart dbus kills everything and logind fails to ever come up again.
2026-09-16T17:10:24 < karlp> I just wanted to use the gui tools to connect and brwose for dev, instead of having to use busctl for everything.
2026-09-16T17:15:10 < aandrew> I have not touched dbus in well over a decade. It sounds just as attrocious now as it was then
2026-09-16T17:17:37 < karlp> these guys have built a pile all ipc on top of dbus
2026-09-16T17:17:43 < karlp> but.. not all of it.
2026-09-16T17:18:08 < karlp> there's at least one or two places where it doesn't use dbus magic arrays of "variants" but dbus _byte arrays_ that contain.... CBOR!
2026-09-16T17:18:33 < karlp> there's definitely been some "developer x has quit and no-one knows how this portion works at all, or has touched it since"
2026-09-16T17:19:22 < karlp> I suspect some of this web stuff was allbeing done by a machine too, there's no way[1] a human has been maintaining these 5k line piles of repeteive js and sass and html interleaved.
2026-09-16T17:19:45 < karlp> [1] I learnt at old job that, actually, some people really are prepared to just churn out repeittive spaghetti and call it "pro development skills"
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2026-09-16T18:19:54 < fantanYl> CERN, at one point in time had a "firewall", which looked like if ($_GLOBALS["REMOTE_ADDR"] == "195.64.32.16") || $_GLOBALS["REMOTE_ADDR"] == "....." || ...) { exit (0); }
2026-09-16T18:20:10 < fantanYl> and it was several tens of kB of PHP script
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2026-09-16T23:20:59 < polprog> having worked with CERN code that does not surprise me a bit
2026-09-16T23:21:02 < polprog> but hye
2026-09-16T23:21:12 < polprog> hey*, they probably understood that code very well and it was working
2026-09-16T23:26:19 < specing> fantanYl: hahaha
2026-09-16T23:27:28 < polprog> include 'pf.php';
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2026-09-17T11:48:16 < tomeaton17> jlc hdi capable now
2026-09-17T11:51:21 < zyp> yeah, I just noticed earlier today
2026-09-17T11:51:49 < zyp> starts from $67-ish NRE for 1+N+1, which is not bad
2026-09-17T11:52:28 < jpa-> cool
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2026-09-17T12:59:25 < Steffanx> "Buried Via Fee" > "Manual Quote". "Lamination Fee" > "Manual Quote". Meh.
2026-09-17T13:01:42 < Steffanx> Flex Heater. Is that also new?
2026-09-17T13:08:42 < qyx> no, definitely at least half a year old
2026-09-17T13:13:02 < karlp> longer, it's for all the battery pack makers out there
2026-09-17T13:14:59 < karlp> so curl -T. -N ws://lol/ws-endpoint will happily negotiate a websocket upgrade and give me stdin/stdout back and forth.
2026-09-17T13:15:09 < karlp> but it forces it to be binary frames not text?!
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2026-09-17T13:15:16 < karlp> so you can't paste json to it?
2026-09-17T13:15:19 < karlp> like... what?
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2026-09-17T13:24:15 < srk> karlp: websocat -n ws://...
2026-09-17T13:27:12 < karlp> yeah, I had some wscat as well, but it gve me an erorr, and had no verbose setting...
2026-09-17T13:27:24 < karlp> trying to diagnose a webpack proxy
2026-09-17T13:35:18 < karlp> websocat actually works worse.
2026-09-17T13:35:27 < karlp> wscat got to a 404, and worked on the real one.
2026-09-17T13:35:34 < karlp> websocat can't even get to the real one...
2026-09-17T13:36:25 < karlp> nop, I just got lost in the maze of which port goes where and gave it the wrong one... :)
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2026-09-17T13:59:12 < qyx> oh! tme finally got sane and disabled cart emptying at 2am
2026-09-17T13:59:28 < qyx> they are now keeping things in cart for about 12 hours it seems
2026-09-17T13:59:47 < qyx> I just received a new email "your cart reservation is over"
2026-09-17T14:33:53 < qyx> so, u-blox zed-x20p with cheap ublox 3-band antenna beats (an older) pro Trimble
2026-09-17T14:34:51 < qyx> u-blox was about 14-24 mm, Trimble 15-25 mm, so they are at least comparable
2026-09-17T14:36:38 < qyx> (it was Trimble R8s)
2026-09-17T14:38:09 < qyx> oh and regarding the methodology, the measured values are horizontal position uncertainties, and RTK was used for ublox, PPK for Trimble, we will do some more measurements with RTK/PPK for both
2026-09-17T14:38:59 < qyx> both should have the same absolute accuracy
2026-09-17T15:00:16 < karlp> is that 1mm statistically signifcant?
2026-09-17T15:12:53 < qyx> no
2026-09-17T15:13:12 < qyx> but everybody was expecting they won't be even close
2026-09-17T15:14:35 < qyx> I told them not to expect that different results, there were already two papers available at that time with somewhat serious comparisons and the outcome was they are very close
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2026-09-17T16:07:49 < karlp> is the real story here "rtk works real good, just as good as trimble's older proprietary stuff" ?
2026-09-17T16:08:02 < catphish> nice manufacturing work by JLC here! https://i.ibb.co/Xk8Pd8LM/PXL-20260917-130507178.jpg
2026-09-17T16:08:26 < karlp> gonna guess they made what you ordred and didn't fix it for you? :)
2026-09-17T16:08:41 < catphish> as far as i can tell, yes
2026-09-17T16:08:59 < karlp> I mean, if you were making things for internal labels, it's correct ;)
2026-09-17T16:10:08 < catphish> the labels are on the outside, that's the one thing i was careful about!
2026-09-17T16:32:50 < polprog> nothing a Dymo cant fix
2026-09-17T16:33:12 < polprog> alternatovely, mount the panel upside down. everyone can read upside down text right?
2026-09-17T16:34:53 < catphish> The only problem so far seems to be my shaft isn't long enough
2026-09-17T16:35:17 < catphish> and also I can't actually assemble it becuase i didn't get round to buying the hardware
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2026-09-18T05:02:23 < qyx> karlp: basically
2026-09-18T05:03:23 < qyx> but more like "new 120 eur stuff works at least as good as pro 10000+ eur older stuff"
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2026-09-18T13:51:16 < karlp> joy.  web frontend shit I wanted to add somethign to, that I thoguht was unmtaintainable, turns out my boss had just been adding features with claude, which was editing the final generated output file, which for some unknown reason had been checked in, instead of made part of the build.
2026-09-18T13:51:35 < karlp> so now to use the nice little compoonents that _were_ part of the build, all of his stuff has to be redone.
2026-09-18T13:51:37 < karlp> hooray for ai.
2026-09-18T13:51:43 < karlp> delivered a result, who cares how it got there.
2026-09-18T13:52:02 < karlp> now yes, having that generated file checked in was a footgun, absolutely.
2026-09-18T13:52:21 < karlp> especially when there's _also_ a fucking build process that builds into "final" other directory
2026-09-18T13:53:52 < specing> natural stupidity solving problems yet again
2026-09-18T13:54:12 < specing> natural stupidity solving problems made by artificial intelligence, yet again
2026-09-18T13:54:29 < karlp> its' weird thought, his robot has _sometimes_ edited _both_ the source and the output, andsometimes not.
2026-09-18T13:55:29 < jpa-> karlp: just ask claude to update the source to match!
2026-09-18T13:56:10 < karlp> I was bringing up how convoluted this thing is already, and it was debated whether we just decide that this module becomes entirely claude edited, and we give up on human editing.
2026-09-18T13:56:38 < karlp> I've seen ai do some neat shit, but i'mnot entirely convinvced "this is the way"
2026-09-18T13:58:45 < c10ud> if you check out each modification before committing i dont think it's really that different 
2026-09-18T13:59:37 < karlp> sure, but that requires reviewing them and understanding the review, not ... yeah, that seems ok.
2026-09-18T14:00:30 < karlp> like, the diffs here _look_ reasonable, until you really understand the project and see that there's a step that was never being run, so it _works_ and does what was desired, but ifyou _now_ try and use the components as designed, and regenerate, it will remove all the ai changes.
2026-09-18T14:00:53 < karlp> eh. this is what I'm paid for right, sorting out this sort of thing....
2026-09-18T14:01:33 < jpa-> code reviews didn't really work for perfectly ensuring human-made code, and they are even worse for ai-generated code that often looks neat but is bad
2026-09-18T14:07:56 < mercenary> continuing this trend, AI can just patch the binaries like in the olden days of core memory, no need to keep all those sources around.
2026-09-18T14:08:18 < mercenary> cycles,history repeating itself and all that
2026-09-18T14:19:43 < karlp> well, more "good" news. the cors failures that I was having the last two days have miraculously gone away without changes.  hooray... I wonder what wasn't right earlier.
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2026-09-18T20:06:40 < karlp> was hving some wtf with cbor all over some json rpc stuff
2026-09-18T20:07:02 < karlp> turns out qt 5.12 just went and said, "you know what, we're not going ot have an internal binary representation for json _as well_ as cbor support
2026-09-18T20:07:17 < karlp> so you parse json once, then work with it as cbor internally.
2026-09-18T20:07:28 < karlp> very much not how I thought json operation would go.
2026-09-18T20:22:15 < mercenary> json is fairly expensive to parse, compared to cbor
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2026-09-20T16:10:52 < karlp> lol, reviewing some parts for a pcb order, wanted to switch from right angle to vertical for case reasons, and discoverd that the last order used 3.5mm footprints and 3.81mm parts.
2026-09-20T16:11:01 < karlp> apparently jlc just stuffed that shit and soldered it anyway.
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2026-09-20T17:15:01 < zyp> how many pins?
2026-09-20T18:13:59 < qyx> 3-4 pins is okay, been there done that
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2026-09-20T20:24:50 < karlp> just 2, so yeah, it just worked out.
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2026-09-21T01:45:13 < karlp> well, almost done then I guess: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/SzFeU.png
2026-09-21T01:47:58 < qyx> wut
2026-09-21T01:48:32 < qyx> Oct 31 coming?
2026-09-21T01:48:37 < karlp> yeah
2026-09-21T01:49:38 < karlp> tossing up whether I want mounting holes ot not. the boxes I've got for thjem don't have any, and it's not like it's in vibrations so kinda thinking to just igonre them
2026-09-21T01:50:36 < karlp> I should probably try and make it smaller, but... it already fits in the boxes, so, whats the point right?
2026-09-21T01:51:01 < karlp> all I'd be wanking over the next couple of days would be what alternative options it could do, stupid feature creep.
2026-09-21T01:53:15 < karlp> will sleep on it, 
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2026-09-21T14:49:56 < karlp> well, I've spent all morning trying to replace an old manual gulp step for file inclusions into a "this decade" webpack autoreloading.
2026-09-21T14:50:05 < karlp> and gotten precisely nowhere, fabujlous :)
2026-09-21T14:55:11 < jpa-> are you a web coder now? what's your favourite js framework?
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2026-09-21T15:26:57 < karlp> I was adding some on screen notifications, but there's a web management console that I needed to add a bit to, and the person who wrote that left a while ago, 
2026-09-21T15:26:59 < karlp> I hate it.
2026-09-21T15:27:10 < karlp> it's all @@include and multiple stages of generation scripts
2026-09-21T15:28:00 < karlp> I'd done a bit of vue with vite at old job, and it just kinda behaved.  you could edit files and see how things changes.  this is like 2 seconds to re-run gulp, then you ahve to restart webpack, then another 4-5 seconds, then reload the window. kinda suck.
2026-09-21T15:28:50 < karlp> I found a pluygin for webpack that's meant to replace the old gulp module, but it uses JSON.parse, instead of JSON5.parse, which.. surprise surprise, we were relying on, being sloppy with json syntax, trailing , and unqoted object keys and shit.
2026-09-21T15:28:52 < karlp> just bleh.
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2026-09-21T17:15:15 < karlp> ldd ze-app | wc -l => 374..
2026-09-21T17:16:14 < karlp> vscode is only 101
2026-09-21T17:16:25 < karlp> not sure whether that's an interesting metric or not though
2026-09-21T17:16:28 < karlp> firefox is only like 5.
2026-09-21T17:18:47 < qyx> firefox is mostly a 100 MB static blob, isn't it?
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2026-09-21T17:33:15 < jbo> ldd /usr/local/bin/firefox | wc -l
2026-09-21T17:33:15 < jbo>        8
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2026-09-21T17:36:09 < Steffanx> Ty jbo
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2026-09-21T18:12:19 < qyx> mine is only 4
2026-09-21T18:14:40 < fantanYl> mine's about 5
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2026-09-21T18:14:57 < fantanYl> I wouldn't bet that it doesn't load something at runtime
2026-09-21T18:19:45 < fantanYl> yeah, at runtime, there's 89 libraries loaded
2026-09-21T18:31:25 < karlp> yeah, that's why I wasn't sure it was a useufl meteric how many are listed by ldd
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2026-09-21T23:24:14 < karlp> alright, ordered, some success then: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/4a0oA.png
2026-09-21T23:24:43 < karlp> haven't ever tested that sy8303, but, hey, it's just a buck regulator, everything else should be fine :)
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2026-09-21T23:27:03 < karlp> now jsut need to do the software...
2026-09-21T23:27:13 < karlp> planning on artnet client in upy...
2026-09-21T23:27:22 < karlp> then hopefully I can "just use some existing sw" for the scene control
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2026-09-21T23:37:09 < karlp> fuck me, qlcplus is weird as hell
2026-09-21T23:37:17 < karlp> hahah, too much new shit
2026-09-21T23:41:03 < fantanYl> scene protocol?
2026-09-21T23:50:09 < karlp> yeah, so this is a led strip controller for halloween lights in the garden
2026-09-21T23:50:20 < karlp> and I don't want to invent scene management
2026-09-21T23:50:52 < karlp> so there's q light controller which seems to let me lay otu and configure crfazy thigns for artnet or e31.1 or sacn, just gotta poke some micreopython to be a dumb client for it.
2026-09-21T23:51:11 < karlp> I don't need huge pixel displays, these are just dimmable bi-colour strips
2026-09-21T23:58:50 < qyx> dmx too old nowadays?
2026-09-21T23:58:57 < qyx> needing artnet?
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2026-09-22T00:01:11 < fantanYl> ah, such scene
2026-09-22T00:08:02 < karlp> doing it on wifi, fuck dmx
2026-09-22T00:08:17 < karlp> I mean, it's all dmx inside, but yeah, I don't need 31k midi or whatever it was inside
2026-09-22T00:08:35 < karlp> I hav eno experience or preference f artnet or sacn, they both sound "fine"
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2026-09-22T00:56:02 < fantanYl> there's never enough tests
2026-09-22T00:57:05 < fantanYl> also, reuse of POSIX function names for CMRX APIs was a stupid move
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2026-09-23T07:52:55 < jpa-> meh, there is a lot of AI spam based on public github repos nowadays
2026-09-23T07:53:11 < jpa-> some of it is getting pretty close in appearance to what real people tend to sometimes write
2026-09-23T07:53:37 < jpa-> i guess if i would respond, they'd start recommending some cool new AI tool that will make me a 99x developer
2026-09-23T07:55:14 < qyx> oh yes I have received some recently
2026-09-23T07:56:12 < qyx> they promised me stars and fame
2026-09-23T07:57:29 < jpa-> those too, but now i get ones that are just "i found your project and i'd like to improve it".. i bet soon they'll start generating some made-up improvement idea
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2026-09-23T12:06:16 < Steffanx> What if its actually an improvement jpa- ?
2026-09-23T12:06:47 < Steffanx> Something for on the list for nanopb 2.0?
2026-09-23T12:07:43 < jpa-> i've learned to reject the most niche ideas
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2026-09-23T13:13:46 < fantanYl> CMRX already has some AI-authored PRs. It is quite probably that the whole RISC-V support was AI-generated
2026-09-23T13:14:49 < karlp> but that was from yourself right?
2026-09-23T13:18:11 < fantanYl> nope
2026-09-23T13:18:24 < fantanYl> I actually have 1 (in words: one) external contributor
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2026-09-23T21:37:19 < jbo> what does the /NOPB suffix mean in some TI parts?
2026-09-23T21:41:40 < jbo> ah, it looks like that's just a lead-free replacement of an existing part
2026-09-23T21:56:01 < mawk> well it's pretty explicit
2026-09-23T21:56:04 < mawk> no Pb
2026-09-23T22:00:24 < fantanYl> ugh, LTO is giving me some weird errors again
2026-09-23T22:43:35 < fantanYl> OK, so CMRX can actually be faster than FreeRTOS in some workaloads
2026-09-23T22:44:13 < fantanYl> https://digital-nomad.sk/img/CMRX_w_LTO.png
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2026-09-23T23:48:08 < catphish> jbo: it's means there's no pb in it
2026-09-23T23:49:42 < catphish> no lead, RoHS compliant version, though i would hope this is pretty universal now
2026-09-23T23:49:57 < catphish> maybe a RoHS version of a much older part?
2026-09-23T23:51:03 < jbo> looks like it,  yeah
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2026-09-24T15:20:59 < fantanYl> another day, another embedded dev arguing that ARM CPUs cores are not microcontrollers
2026-09-24T15:22:43 < qyx> no, they are mostly SoCs
2026-09-24T15:35:28 < mercenary> when does something stop being an mcu and becomes a SoC?
2026-09-24T15:38:24 < qyx> eg. a radio/npu, crypto/math/NN comprocessor, GPU, etc.
2026-09-24T15:40:08 < qyx> I would say the basic differentiator is whether those peripherals are specific, single-use
2026-09-24T15:41:05 < mercenary> does i2c count as single use? does a usb interface? 
2026-09-24T15:44:47 < qyx> 8051 and similar was the era of microcontrollers, as originally intended
2026-09-24T15:46:01 < qyx> with the complexity of ARMs, starting with something like Intel PXA, TI OMAP, etc it is another level and I would say mostly anything since then is a SoC
2026-09-24T15:46:20 < qyx> well, complexity-wise, excluding abominations like PIC, AVR
2026-09-24T15:47:09 < qyx> that is, a microcontroller is an original microprocessor with RAM/Flash included
2026-09-24T15:47:15 < qyx> *the
2026-09-24T15:47:50 < mercenary> RAM/flash, and some form of gpio, at least
2026-09-24T15:48:28 < mercenary> and timers, and uarts, and ....
2026-09-24T15:49:19 < qyx> yes, the big PDIP40 included
2026-09-24T15:49:28 < qyx> 8255 or whatever it was
2026-09-24T15:53:33 < mercenary> 8255, 6522, 6850, if memory serves
2026-09-24T15:55:58 < qyx> but well, this is an opinion
2026-09-24T15:58:44 < mercenary> various definitions of 'microcontroller' and 'SoC' seem to match, microcontroller is cpu+memory+timers+some I/O, SoC adds GPU, NPU, or some DSP stuff onboard
2026-09-24T15:59:34 < karlp> I make the distinction on whether it has an mmu or the capacity to have sufficient memory to run an os bigger than zephyr
2026-09-24T16:03:30 < qyx> hm, for 32k xtal with CL = 12.5p, I probably sholdn't use 12p caps
2026-09-24T16:03:38 < qyx> those are for 9.5p CL xtals, right?
2026-09-24T16:03:46 < qyx> I should go for 15p or so
2026-09-24T16:06:50 < fantanYl> no, this guy specifically is arguing that there are no parts with ARM-based CPU which would also have on-chip RAM or Flash
2026-09-24T16:07:02 < fantanYl> I guess he'd been under the rock for last... 25 years or so
2026-09-24T16:55:47 < specing> karlp: "can it run Linux"
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2026-09-24T17:45:39 < mercenary> careful there, istr someone wrote a 386 emulator running on an 8051 or similar, and made it run linux
2026-09-24T18:00:51 < mawk> yes 
2026-09-24T18:00:54 < mawk> extremely slowly
2026-09-24T18:01:15 < DrZak> how would that differ from any other software thesedays
2026-09-24T18:02:33 < qyx> mercenary: it was a risc-v emulator running on avr iirc
2026-09-24T18:03:22 < qyx> or some other risc it was?
2026-09-24T18:06:11 < mercenary> can't remember the exact setup, there have been a couple of those exercises (right down to 'run linux on an 8004' - took something like 3 days to boot)
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2026-09-24T21:34:46 < zyp> you're probably referring to this: https://dmitry.gr/?r=05.Projects&proj=07.%20Linux%20on%208bit
2026-09-24T21:36:32 < qyx> that name rings a bell
2026-09-24T21:37:50 < qyx> The emulated SoC is a PXA255
2026-09-24T21:37:52 < qyx> oh
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2026-09-24T22:45:22 < aandrew> there was linux running on an intel 4004 as well
2026-09-24T22:45:43 < aandrew> honestly though as soon as they emulate MIPS on something running linux on it is just kind of silly since it's cheating now
2026-09-24T22:45:50 < aandrew> it's running linux on the emulated MIPS
2026-09-24T22:46:12 < aandrew> actually that's the guy who also did the 4004: https://dmitry.gr/?r=05.Projects&proj=35.%20Linux4004
2026-09-24T22:49:12 < mercenary> that were some of the projects I remembered yeah. I see he is now up to reviving PalmOS, cool.
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2026-09-24T23:00:02 < aandrew> hahahaha
2026-09-24T23:00:03 < aandrew> Pixter Color does none of the sane things. Instead, I suspect that its designers fundamentally misunderstood PWMs, audio amplifiers, and ... life. Every audio sample is evaluated. If it is positive, it is used as duty cycle for PWM0, while PWM1 is set to duty cycle of 0. If the sample is negative, PWM0 is set to a duty cycle of 0, while PWM1 gets the sample (negated) as its duty cycle. Then, PWM0's output 
2026-09-24T23:00:11 < aandrew> is fed into the audio amp's positive input, while PWM1's into the negative input. Effectively this just gets them one extra bit of output resolution, at a cost of confusing the fuck out of us all, overcomplicating the code, and accomplishing little else.
2026-09-24T23:11:03 < aandrew> https://dmitry.gr/?r=05.Projects&proj=37.%20Pixter
2026-09-24T23:11:11 < aandrew> I feel he went quite mad workign with this one, lol
2026-09-24T23:13:57 < aandrew> What it did have over the Classic is a hole in its front plate where one could insert a new "lightbulb" attachment, which was literally a tiny incandescent lightbulb on a flexible stalk. Its main purpose was to make your parents buy batteries for your Pixter at twice the normal rate, but it also had the side-effect of allowing you to somewhat see the screen in the dark.
2026-09-24T23:14:02 < aandrew> lol
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2026-09-25T07:37:27 < jpa-> aandrew: the PWM scheme feels like maybe it was direct-driving the speaker earlier, before an amplifier chip was added; it doesn't seem that weird of a scheme
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2026-09-25T12:29:33 < karlp> specing: sort of, yes, but _run_ not "hahah look what I did" like those dmitry projects and similar.
2026-09-25T12:30:09 < karlp> fantanYl: who wewre you arguing with?
2026-09-25T12:31:00 < fantanYl> karlp: random dude on linkedin
2026-09-25T12:31:47 < fantanYl> his final argument was that ARMs are CPUs because they don't have flash wired directly to instruction fetch queue and that makes them not being microcontrollers
2026-09-25T12:32:40 < fantanYl> OK, yesterday I've been able to build NuttX, today it all fell apart. I chose to start with closer board so I have to do fewer modifications to the configuration. this board doens't build out of box.
2026-09-25T12:36:41 < karlp> you're building nnuttx so you can try and dunk on it with how much better creepyos is?
2026-09-25T12:40:20 < fantanYl> yes
2026-09-25T12:40:51 < fantanYl> actually, I managed to run some tests, but results are probably rigged by configuration not being too nuttx friendly
2026-09-25T12:40:59 < fantanYl> I know that NuttX is slow
2026-09-25T12:41:18 < fantanYl> it is roughly as fast as creepyos
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2026-09-25T14:28:42 < specing> karlp: yes, "can it run Linux without emulation layer"
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2026-09-25T14:30:06 < jpa-> e.g. STM32F7 can run linux without emulation layer, but i wouldn't say it can run it in a useful way..
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2026-09-25T14:57:01 < specing> too slow?
2026-09-25T14:57:21 < specing> The slowest linux box I have is 192MHz AT91SAM ARM9
2026-09-25T14:57:53 < specing> iirc even bash over serial has the lags.
2026-09-25T15:10:23 < fantanYl> it doesn't have MMU, so you can't do things like fork, things have to be statically linked, etc.
2026-09-25T15:10:54 < fantanYl> also, next major linux is going to remove support for mmu-less architectures altogether, so any new development using linux on mmu-less targets is basically DOA
2026-09-25T15:22:39 < fantanYl> karlp: also, in reality, RTOS people are usually fond of doing benchmarks. i had to join NuttX discord to get help with bringing it up and...
2026-09-25T15:22:45 < fantanYl> https://digital-nomad.sk/img/uncovered.png
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2026-09-25T20:50:03 < karlp> I think the push to drop arm32 was a bad idea really
2026-09-25T20:50:28 < karlp> I understood teh motivation, but I think it j ust means heaps of people are goign to go "well, fuck your upstream then, we're staying here with our patches"
2026-09-25T20:51:18 < karlp> where's a thread on dropping nommu?Ð
2026-09-25T20:51:43 < jpa-> huh, dropping arm32? sounds like that would hurt openwrt pretty bad
2026-09-25T20:51:52 < karlp> they've already dropped arm32.
2026-09-25T20:51:56 < karlp> and yeah, it does.
2026-09-25T20:52:37 < karlp> well, ok, not allll of it , yet.
2026-09-25T20:52:49 < karlp> but some is out now, much has already been deprecate
2026-09-25T20:53:10 < karlp> i can't get builds for arm32 for home assistant anymore, I'm meant to just make ewaste
2026-09-25T20:54:24 < karlp> like arnd's arguments that you can't even buy them anymore is kinda like, "you can keep running your own pentiums, but not your old arms..... because..."
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2026-09-27T15:33:12 < englishman> wtf doesnt lunix support itanium and 486 and nommu and all that garbage yet they are dropping arm32?
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2026-09-27T16:01:50 < specing> ARM vendors can't be bothered to support their shit,so why should Linux
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2026-09-27T17:23:25 < fantanYl> is Linux dropping ARM32 entirely? as I understood, no. they are dropping nommu and some crazy weird ancient shit that has no support anymore
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2026-09-27T19:58:14 < qyx> aren't they keeping eg. the original rpi?
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2026-09-27T22:46:32 < karlp> fantanYl: from arnd's timeline, he plans on dropping a bunch of "less common" arm32 starting in 7.3, nommu gets dropped in 2028 or something
2026-09-27T22:46:44 < karlp> and a bucnh more arm32 gets dropped in 27.
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2026-09-28T03:08:57 < catphish> englishman: arm32 isn't a single documented CPU like 80486, it's a mess of thousands of undocumented chips, i suspect maintenance will vary hugely depending on who cares
2026-09-28T03:10:09 < catphish> but ultimately it simply comes down to whether someone cares and wants to support it
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2026-09-28T09:05:13 < fantanYl> karlp: yeah, IIRC those "less common" were like intel strongarm and similar ancient stuff, isn't it?
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2026-09-28T15:43:12 < machinehum> https://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=2026&image=linux_73_socs_3
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2026-09-28T16:51:34 < machinehum> gutentags
2026-09-28T16:52:00 < machinehum> https://github.com/ludovicchabant/vim-gutentags
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2026-09-28T17:59:06 < jbo> machinehum
2026-09-28T18:08:38 < Steffanx> Gutentag meinen herren wie ist die Schweizerische Eidgenossenschaft treating you today? (I hope this makes a German's eyes bleed)
2026-09-28T18:11:23 < DrZak> capital H
2026-09-28T18:11:53 < jbo> please don't assume my gender
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2026-09-28T18:32:42 < machinehum> jbo
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2026-09-28T18:49:04 < catphish> jbo: wouldn't it be jba if you were a lady person?
2026-09-28T18:51:40 < jbo> catphish, I don't follow that logic - please elaborate
2026-09-28T18:52:17 < catphish> jbo: spanish noun endings
2026-09-28T18:52:25 < jbo> please don't assume my nationality
2026-09-28T18:53:04 < catphish> well that's no fun
2026-09-28T18:54:06 < jbo> this is not a place of fun; this is a place to exclusively discuss STM32 related content
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2026-09-28T18:56:05 < catphish> well then here's a final render of my stm32 related content https://i.ibb.co/DxCwsms/photo-exploded.png
2026-09-28T18:56:12 < catphish> i'm rather pleased with this
2026-09-28T18:56:58 < catphish> i have to deliver it in a week, and the final PCBs are still in china, so there's a little stress involved :)
2026-09-28T19:01:37 < jbo> what does the STM32 related test schedule look like?
2026-09-28T19:07:53 < catphish> the test schedule is essentially just to run a script that i shamelessly has AI write that sends outputs through the DAC and measures them back with this fancy ADC: https://www.elektor.com/products/quantasylum-qa403-24-bit-audio-analyzer
2026-09-28T19:09:18 < catphish> err right product, terrible link. https://quantasylum.com/products/qa403-audio-analyzer
2026-09-28T19:10:29 < catphish> i should get on and wrtite that though, so it can all be delivered next week
2026-09-28T19:21:26 < Steffanx> I hope for catphish they get it done in chinaland. Since they had and have Holidays
2026-09-28T19:21:48 < Posterdati> hi
2026-09-28T19:21:54 < Steffanx> lo
2026-09-28T19:22:36 < Posterdati> please help, is anyone using stm32mp257-dk board? I need something running linux/BSD with 8 adc channels :)
2026-09-28T19:23:11 < catphish> yeah, china holidays seem to be getting in the way, i hope they can get it out of the country in the next couple of days before more holidays
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2026-09-28T19:27:46 < karlp> Posterdati: just plug in 4 usb sound dongles...
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2026-09-28T19:34:29 < fantanYl> windows does some crazy USB device reporting
2026-09-28T19:34:55 < fantanYl> I plugged ST Nucleo directly into laptop USB and another USB stick into USB-C hub.
2026-09-28T19:35:10 < fantanYl> Windows reports that nucleo is connected via hub and usb stick is connected directly to root hub
2026-09-28T19:35:19 < catphish> This is just 2 stereo DACs, they identify to windows as USB DAC A and USB DAC B, seems to work nicely
2026-09-28T19:37:24 < catphish> karlp: not even as many as 4 :)
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2026-09-28T21:28:36 < karlp> depends on the dongles, I was just being silly anyway
2026-09-28T21:35:25 < catphish> i know :)
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2026-09-28T23:39:25 < nomorekaki> early crew
2026-09-28T23:49:18 < nomorekaki> pumps
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2026-09-28T23:55:36 < jbo> pumpin' every day
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2026-09-29T00:00:42 < nomorekaki> pumbssi
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2026-09-29T00:07:08 < nomorekaki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-8uGCFGd8c inspirational cyberdecking
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2026-09-29T00:27:30 < Steffanx> nomorekaki: wtf are you doing here 
2026-09-29T00:27:36 < Steffanx> I mean: hi
2026-09-29T00:28:09 < nomorekaki> pumpin
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2026-09-29T00:29:26 < jbo> always pumpin' - it's important
2026-09-29T00:29:49 < jbo> nomorekaki, I never ended up getting to use those thermocouples and matching connectors
2026-09-29T00:30:02 < nomorekaki> hmm
2026-09-29T00:30:25 < nomorekaki> I distantly remember something about thermocouples
2026-09-29T00:30:36 < jbo> yeah it was probably like ~2 years ago if not longer
2026-09-29T00:30:52 < jbo> I asked about stuff and you answered to stuff being asked
2026-09-29T00:32:04 < nomorekaki> I have one panel socket here. made in usa
2026-09-29T00:32:22 < nomorekaki> I think it's omega or something
2026-09-29T00:33:14 < nomorekaki> oh yeas you were shortening wires or it didn't have the connector
2026-09-29T00:33:33 < jbo> didn't have the connector and asked how it will work out with soldering and shit
2026-09-29T00:33:55 < jbo> you told me they are typically "screw terminal style" and you were right
2026-09-29T00:33:55 < nomorekaki> ye dont solder that shit
2026-09-29T00:34:43 < nomorekaki> what was the distraction from using the connectors?
2026-09-29T00:35:01 < nomorekaki> also what were you doings?
2026-09-29T00:35:10 < nomorekaki> and now?
2026-09-29T00:35:19 < Steffanx> Damn grandpa and grandpa are talking.
2026-09-29T00:35:26 < jbo> some 37 page NDA says that I'm now allowed to disclose that
2026-09-29T00:35:39 < jbo> but needed to measure some fluid temps and never touched thermocouple stuff before hence I asked for wisdom
2026-09-29T00:36:06 < Steffanx> Stop working and then tell us what you're doing jbo
2026-09-29T00:36:29 < Steffanx> Your free time is not NDA-ed is it?
2026-09-29T00:37:16 < nomorekaki> you hab jubb?
2026-09-29T00:39:19 < nomorekaki> how is steffs jubb?
2026-09-29T00:40:04 < jbo> Steffanx :<
2026-09-29T00:40:40 < Steffanx> I meant stop working for today. Not forever 
2026-09-29T00:41:44 < jbo> Steffanx, that's what makes me sad!
2026-09-29T00:42:08 < Steffanx> I see.
2026-09-29T00:42:27 < Steffanx> It's ok I guess. Nomorekaki 
2026-09-29T00:42:53 < nomorekaki> can you tell me of projects?
2026-09-29T00:44:35 < jbo> tell us all the secrets, Steffanx 
2026-09-29T00:44:54 < jbo> surely it's baby shaking
2026-09-29T00:45:31 < Steffanx> Nah. NDAs and stuff. But no baby shaking at least 
2026-09-29T00:47:14 < nomorekaki> has babyshaker visited the channel?
2026-09-29T00:48:21 < jbo> a few weeks/months ago there was some PIDing
2026-09-29T00:48:33 < jbo> rare blessing of the babyshaker
2026-09-29T00:49:37 < nomorekaki> sstill making P
2026-09-29T00:49:48 < nomorekaki> PID tighter?
2026-09-29T00:51:26 < specing> where's the laurencer..
2026-09-29T00:54:18 < jbo> flying high
2026-09-29T00:54:48 < nomorekaki> is everything lurencer told true?
2026-09-29T00:55:35 < specing> it is if you believe in him
2026-09-29T00:56:57 < jbo> not doing so is considered blasphemy
2026-09-29T00:58:02 < zyp> nomorekaki, how do you like this? https://photos.app.goo.gl/DHj9Qtkua36zhdBF8
2026-09-29T00:58:34 < nomorekaki> tasteful
2026-09-29T00:58:54 < nomorekaki> I have hard SMA wires somewhere
2026-09-29T00:59:14 < nomorekaki> like copper tube
2026-09-29T00:59:35 < jbo> zyp, nice ESD floor
2026-09-29T00:59:58 < jbo> mine looks like hospital, no wood texture :<
2026-09-29T01:14:21 < karlp> meh, going to have to do halloween in c
2026-09-29T01:14:42 < karlp> udp recv on esp32c3 with esp-idf is ~80-90 usecs, micropython it was like 900.
2026-09-29T01:15:22 < jbo> karlp, I am dicking around with AT these days and I want to flip a table constantly
2026-09-29T01:15:47 < jbo> the fact that an URC string is indistinguisable from a command response without context is infuriating
2026-09-29T01:16:03 < karlp> yaeh, AT cmd can go fuckign jump
2026-09-29T01:16:09 < nomorekaki> qyx is also enjoying AT
2026-09-29T01:16:11 < karlp> I told you the rf portion would be fine,
2026-09-29T01:16:16 < karlp> I didn't say you'ðd enjoy the rest of it ;)
2026-09-29T01:16:25 < jbo> indeed :D
2026-09-29T01:17:23 < karlp> tell you what though, I've fully vibecoded this idf demo whiel I was doing other things, it's eben greaat
2026-09-29T01:17:41 < karlp> I mean, I'm j ust asking for customized sample code really, but... still, nice when it works
2026-09-29T01:17:55 < karlp> I wonder when old job will kick me off the github group ;)
2026-09-29T01:18:12 < jbo> haha
2026-09-29T01:18:35 < karlp> I'm currently non-ai assisted in new job while I learn enough about how it all fits together to know how to ask it things
2026-09-29T01:18:51 < karlp> but that will be github connected as well, so I'll probably have to exit the oldjob group myself at that point,
2026-09-29T01:19:01 < karlp> don't want to have all the contexts going to all the companies.
2026-09-29T01:19:41 < jbo> everything is opensource nowdays if you know which disk to pull out of the rack
2026-09-29T01:25:06 < karlp> fuckin, i don't wanna do this in fucking c.
2026-09-29T01:25:25 < karlp> meh, pretty straight forward in the end I guess, just vibe code it and say "copy the python code"
2026-09-29T01:27:13 < jbo> anything for the fam
2026-09-29T01:36:51 < qyx> nomorekaki: enjoying painkillers now
2026-09-29T01:37:01 < qyx> but at too, two weeks ago
2026-09-29T01:37:06 < nomorekaki> ?why
2026-09-29T01:41:20 < jbo> nomorekaki, are you asking why people like to take drugs?
2026-09-29T01:41:27 < jbo> we might need mawk here
2026-09-29T01:42:10 < nomorekaki> not generally but why qyx is medicated currently
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2026-09-29T08:30:21 < fantanYl> OK, I expected that CreepyOS RPC calls are dead slow. it turns out they are rather fast
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2026-09-29T12:28:36 < karlp> fucking zsh again.  gdb /tmp/A<tab>
2026-09-29T12:28:47 < karlp> there's _nothing else_ that starts with uppercase A in /tmp
2026-09-29T12:29:07 < karlp> but instead of tab completing correctly, it offers me to choose amongst the other "a" files there.
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2026-09-29T15:40:43 < machinehum> here you are karlp https://github.com/HundredAcreStudio/zsh-claude
2026-09-29T15:41:00 < machinehum> Now you have have ai all the time
2026-09-29T15:41:15 < machinehum> I'm assuming this is what you/everyone wants right?
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2026-09-29T16:08:59 < karlp> lol no :)
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2026-09-29T18:48:05 < karlp> eh, now it's meson's turn.
2026-09-29T18:48:39 < karlp> buildroot does --buildtype=$(if $(BR2_ENABLE_RUNTIME_DEBUG),debug,release), which is "fine"
2026-09-29T18:49:10 < karlp> except now you can't overrride it per package later, with a -Dbuildtype=debug.  because meson complains: Got argument buildtype as both -Dbuildtype and --buildtype. Pick one.
2026-09-29T18:49:36 < karlp> which is, true, but... like, no, i don't/can't go and fix the parent, it's so "normal" to have later things override.
2026-09-29T18:50:51 < karlp> I don't want to build ALLLL of buildroot with debug?!!
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2026-09-30T00:10:53 < nomorekaki> is there a version of wifi that doesnt shit away power/energy in use with a phone?
2026-09-30T00:11:20 < nomorekaki> if I use LTE with bad signal it's fine phone runs for days or something
2026-09-30T00:11:51 < nomorekaki> if I use wifi the battery percentage starts countdown
2026-09-30T00:16:15 < specing> sorry kaki, the gods of proprietary firmware and locked down chips have decided against that
2026-09-30T00:21:24 < qyx> nomorekaki: wifi PSM, DTIM, WMM-PS
2026-09-30T00:21:54 < qyx> it works somehow randomly, it probably needs the right combination of AP and client
2026-09-30T00:22:14 < nomorekaki> I wonder if my ubiquiti ufos support such
2026-09-30T00:23:39 < nomorekaki> not sure if even supports wifi6
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2026-09-30T01:17:26 < karlp> very dependent on AP as well.
2026-09-30T01:17:40 < karlp> also, there's some truly horrible interactions if yo uhave some older clients on the same wifi too.
2026-09-30T01:39:12 < qyx> https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-h5/
2026-09-30T01:39:14 < qyx> this looks good
2026-09-30T01:39:31 < qyx> aandrew: ^ you purchased soemthing similar from amazon
2026-09-30T01:40:31 < qyx> No Analog output, only Digital output from HDMI and DisplayPort
2026-09-30T01:40:33 < qyx> oh lol
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2026-09-30T12:13:37 < karlp> single usb3 port?
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2026-09-30T13:02:32 < karlp> how my day's going...  10:02:20 up 5 days, 35 min,  1 user,  load average: 75.27, 86.44, 51.21
2026-09-30T13:02:38 < karlp> fuck I hate buildroot already
2026-09-30T13:03:39 < zyp> which do you prefer hating? buildroot or yocto?
2026-09-30T13:08:45 < karlp> from everything 've heard, yocto would be worse, but I think I've only ever used yocto once for as ingle build to test
2026-09-30T13:09:08 < karlp> I had gotten used to openwrt's heavily patched buildroot doing not dumb things
2026-09-30T13:09:12 < karlp> but buildroot is supppper dumb
2026-09-30T13:09:25 < karlp> and then some of our package makefiles have added surprises.
2026-09-30T13:09:41 < karlp> which have been tripping me up in all sorts of awkward ways recently
2026-09-30T13:10:06 < karlp> buildroot rsync -a --hardlinks from a "local" checkout is dog slow too.
2026-09-30T13:10:54 < karlp> it doesn't help that I was tab-completing some rm build/.... stuff to see what else should be removed to do a clean rebuild of our stuff, and presed enter after not seeing anythign else
2026-09-30T13:11:00 < karlp> so I'm rebuilding too much again.
2026-09-30T13:11:05 < karlp> meh
2026-09-30T13:11:53 < karlp> I've been here a month and I'm still having days of "I understand this now, yes..... actually no, I'm still getting crashes and bugs that no-one else sees, that seem to get put down to "your build was't the right sort of clean"
2026-09-30T13:35:06 < karlp> this morning seems to be that I don't have a wifi interface  for ... reasons.
2026-09-30T13:35:12 < karlp> where did go? who knows
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2026-09-30T13:46:32 < zyp> I haven't really tried buildroot, but I have plenty of experience hating yocto
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2026-09-30T13:47:06 < zyp> I've glanced at buildroot, and I didn't get the experience that I'd hate it less :p
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2026-09-30T14:34:27 < teknix> Good morning all, i have a few stm32 dev boards and in the past written blinky code and played with cube32, eclipse, freertos.
2026-09-30T14:34:50 < teknix> however that was all like 10 years ago, and now it's time to jump back in, so my question is where to start with stm32 in the modern day?
2026-09-30T14:35:35 < fantanYl> well, cube32 is renamed to cubemx, the rest is pretty much unchanged?
2026-09-30T14:36:10 < fantanYl> yeah and... cube got split into two parts - mx for HAL configuration and IDE for... nothing as you probably don't want to use it anymore
2026-09-30T14:37:50 < teknix> looking at my old test projects i have some for cubemx, eclipse, and stm32cube.
2026-09-30T14:45:59 < fantanYl> wasn't cubemx name for tool that configured project even back then?
2026-09-30T14:48:45 < teknix> probably
2026-09-30T14:49:17 < teknix> "Project created with stm32cubemx" first commit in 2019
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2026-09-30T18:23:50 < teknix> trying to create an account at st.com and the link they emailed for stm32cubemx results in Error code: 400
2026-09-30T18:28:15 < qyx> cube download is behind a mail-wall today?
2026-09-30T18:28:17 < qyx> sad
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2026-09-30T18:44:55 < teknix> not working in chrome either
2026-09-30T19:22:14 < qyx> start with something less ancient than F1 or F4
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2026-09-30T22:27:19 < Posterdati> hello!
2026-09-30T22:28:21 < Posterdati> please help, is anyone using ADC on stm32mp257f-dk? Is it possible to have 6 ADC input lines on the GPIO connector? Thanks!
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