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2026-10-01T00:22:15 < karlp> this should be something you can do by looking at the 257f-dk manual, listing all the pins that are on the gpio connector
2026-10-01T00:22:36 < karlp> then goign tot he 257f datasheet itself, and count up which of the gpios on that connector have an adc o ption.
2026-10-01T00:22:42 < karlp> you have those documents in front of you
2026-10-01T00:22:46 < karlp> no-one else is likely to
2026-10-01T00:23:43 < qyx> I can't even donwload them with my 1 mbit/s interwebs
2026-10-01T01:08:05 < karlp> hrm, I think I'm not being smart enough with pwm.
2026-10-01T01:08:48 < karlp> hrm, vibecode the existing "working" way into esp-idf, probably works fine, or keep exploring alternatives for the h-bridge driving and keep it in mpy...
2026-10-01T01:10:16 < qyx> is this for your scare lights?
2026-10-01T01:10:24 < karlp> well, they're not really scary, but yeah
2026-10-01T01:10:54 < qyx> I  have bought some during the january discounts
2026-10-01T01:11:03 < karlp> I realized that my method that I was having flicker problems with, for _other_ problems in mpy udp receive probably wouldn't be happening if I was being smarter with the pwm.
2026-10-01T01:11:25 < karlp> I remembered that the original boards were doing more cycle by cycle sharing to have both directions lit "at the same time"
2026-10-01T01:11:47 < karlp> whereas my naiive hack up was doing like 5khz pwm at duty A for 3ms, then 5ks pwm at duty B for 3ms for the other colour
2026-10-01T01:11:59 < karlp> which works, but is super prone to flicker from anything disturbing it.
2026-10-01T01:12:17 < qyx> cannot you chain two timers together?
2026-10-01T01:12:19 < karlp> skimming the esp ref man to see if it has some help for doing this.
2026-10-01T01:12:28 < qyx> or dma+timers
2026-10-01T01:12:33 < qyx> oh esp32 I forgot
2026-10-01T01:12:42 < karlp> well, the thing is, in C, the socket receive is fast enough that I probably don't have to care ;)
2026-10-01T01:14:35 < karlp> righgt, the esp32 has support for it.
2026-10-01T01:14:54 < karlp> I can just have two pwm channels with 50% phase offset, using half the pwm resolution
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2026-10-01T01:29:32 < karlp> right, found it. https://github.com/micropython/micropython/blob/master/ports/esp32/machine_pwm.c#L252
2026-10-01T01:29:39 < karlp> -(in theory, to be tested)
2026-10-01T01:30:31 < karlp> just need to set that to 16k for one, 0 for the other, and then use 0..16k instead of 0..32k for the range of dutycycles
2026-10-01T01:30:45 < karlp> that _should_ give me cycle by cuycle bidirectional.
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2026-10-01T01:51:47 < karlp> wellllll not quite
2026-10-01T01:51:49 < karlp> hrmmm.
2026-10-01T01:51:58 < karlp> clllooooose
2026-10-01T01:54:04 < aandrew> nomorekaki> is there a version of wifi that doesnt shit away power/energy in use with a phone?
2026-10-01T01:54:34 < aandrew> not really; there are low(er) power modes but I've never seen anything that gives me the "wow, wifi is suitable for battery powered applications" feel
2026-10-01T01:54:57 < aandrew> qyx> aandrew: ^ you purchased soemthing similar from amazon
2026-10-01T01:55:15 < aandrew> (re android h5) -- kind of. I bought an RK3588 NAS board
2026-10-01T01:56:17 < aandrew> https://www.amazon.com/WayPonDEV-CM3588-NAS-Kit-Mali-G610 looks like that, but mine's 32GB and sure as fuck didn't cost that much
2026-10-01T01:56:32 < aandrew> karlp> how my day's going...  10:02:20 up 5 days, 35 min,  1 user,  load average: 75.27, 86.44, 51.21
2026-10-01T01:56:39 < aandrew> stop building with -j (no number)
2026-10-01T01:57:31 < karlp> I was just doing "make" and letting build root decide automatically
2026-10-01T01:57:37 < karlp> it got to 145 later 
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2026-10-01T01:58:00 < karlp> it regularly just locks my desktop and kills either vscode (normally) or sometimes firefox.
2026-10-01T01:58:43 < aandrew> yeah, looks like buildroot can't be trusted
2026-10-01T02:09:34 < qyx> 22:57 < karlp> I was just doing "make" and letting build root decide automatically
2026-10-01T02:09:37 < qyx> hahahaha
2026-10-01T02:10:18 < qyx> it is dumb, the only viable way of obtaining results from buildroot is literally cleaning the build before running make
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2026-10-01T02:20:23 < zyp> nrf70 can supposedly do pretty low power wifi, but I'm not sure exactly how low, and I'm also not sure how something like an esp32 actually compares
2026-10-01T02:20:50 < qyx> this ST thing apparently too
2026-10-01T02:20:58 < qyx> but so far it hangs in various circumstances
2026-10-01T02:21:04 < qyx> and stops responding to AT
2026-10-01T02:23:44 < zyp> I still have a nrf70 project on the roadmap at work, did some prototyping last year and then I were suppoed to start doing firmware for it in january or so
2026-10-01T02:24:37 < zyp> but firmware is blocked on hardware being finalized, and hardware is blocked on the client completing some design decisions that affect mechanical design and IO
2026-10-01T02:25:50 < zyp> that said, that's not a low power project, so I don't expect to worry about nrf70 power budget on it
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2026-10-01T07:32:10 < qyx> I have a low power project now
2026-10-01T07:32:36 < qyx> well, "low", it just needs to be able to shutdown (battery powered)
2026-10-01T07:33:42 < qyx> and I failed even rev2, there is a power hungry chip without sleep control on a shared SPI bus with a chip I want to keep powered, so I cannot shutdown the whole SPI
2026-10-01T07:34:13 < qyx> so I added a power gate before the chip not realizing it is gonna be back fed from the shared SPI
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2026-10-01T09:45:30 < Posterdati> karlp: ds14284 from page 79 to page 96, no adc at all.
2026-10-01T09:47:12 < zyp> Posterdati, alternate functions are digital, ADCs are not listed there
2026-10-01T09:47:43 < zyp> what you need to check are the tables on page 53 to 78
2026-10-01T09:52:50 < Posterdati> ok thanks
2026-10-01T09:53:34 < Posterdati> but in this case how can I set the right function to pin?
2026-10-01T09:56:33 < zyp> Posterdati, anyway, I checked for you, it's not possible
2026-10-01T09:57:12 < zyp> there's only five pins on the IO connector with ADC possibility
2026-10-01T09:57:54 < zyp> PC7, PC10, PF0, PF2, PF11
2026-10-01T10:00:25 < Posterdati> yes I checked!
2026-10-01T10:00:29 < Posterdati> thanks
2026-10-01T10:01:17 < Posterdati> that's a problem for me :(
2026-10-01T10:02:41 < Posterdati> I think the mp157 is the same
2026-10-01T10:03:07 < zyp> depending on what you're doing, you could consider using an external mux, e.g. using three digital outputs to drive a 1:8 selector
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2026-10-01T10:04:04 < zyp> or forget about the internal ADC entirely and use an external 8-channel ADC that you hook up to SPI or I2C
2026-10-01T10:05:31 < zyp> or even a separate microcontroller to handle ADC sampling
2026-10-01T10:08:15 < Posterdati> zyp: I need to sample 3 voltages and 3 currents at the same time :(
2026-10-01T10:10:11 < zyp> the internal ADC wouldn't do that anyway, they're also just sampling multiple channels on a mux in sequence
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2026-10-01T10:11:35 < zyp> I mean, if you need six channels of actual simultaneous sampling, you need six ADCs
2026-10-01T10:12:07 < zyp> unless you can get away with multiplexing fast enough
2026-10-01T10:12:59 < zyp> what is this for?
2026-10-01T10:13:14 < zyp> three phase motor control or something?
2026-10-01T10:13:35 < zyp> or three phase power monitoring?
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2026-10-01T10:17:37 < Posterdati> zyp: an experimental device for three phase bt systems
2026-10-01T10:17:45 < zyp> bt?
2026-10-01T10:17:51 < Posterdati> sorry lv
2026-10-01T10:17:56 < Posterdati> low voltages
2026-10-01T10:18:04 < Posterdati> 400 V, 50 Hz
2026-10-01T10:18:37 < zyp> that doesn't really tell me much :p
2026-10-01T10:19:10 < jpa-> 50Hz sounds slow enough that you could get by with sequential sampling
2026-10-01T10:19:36 < Posterdati> I need to sample three currents, perform an fft during relay open/close operation
2026-10-01T10:19:46 < jpa-> but also slow enough that you can put external SPI ADCs just fine
2026-10-01T10:20:06 < Posterdati> an ad afe?
2026-10-01T10:20:23 < zyp> relay?
2026-10-01T10:20:58 < zyp> are you gonna measure inrush behavior or something like that?
2026-10-01T10:21:01 < Posterdati> yes, three 1-phase relays connecting three reactors :)
2026-10-01T10:21:23 < jpa-> at what samplerate?
2026-10-01T10:21:29 < Posterdati> I'm going to check if the relay control is closing at the right time
2026-10-01T10:22:09 < Posterdati> 1 MSPS should be fine, I had to sample some 50 Hz cycles, let's say 10
2026-10-01T10:22:27 < zyp> 1 MSPS is pretty fast
2026-10-01T10:23:01 < Posterdati> well stm32mp257 has got 4.66 MSPS ADC...
2026-10-01T10:23:15 < zyp> yeah, but only three of them
2026-10-01T10:23:58 < fantanYl> qyx: yes, IIRC it is
2026-10-01T10:24:49 < fantanYl> teknix: i recall that something similar happened to me. my strategy was while (failed) retry();
2026-10-01T10:24:53 < zyp> six channels, 12 bit, 1 MSPS is 72 Mb/s, you'll have issues pushing that over SPI as well
2026-10-01T10:24:57 < fantanYl> on 2nd or 3rd attempt it actually worked
2026-10-01T10:26:36 < Posterdati> zyp: over spi I found a 125 kSps from analog devices
2026-10-01T10:27:05 < Posterdati> zyp: let's see if I can use only 3 adc lines, commuting voltages with currents
2026-10-01T10:27:43 < teknix> fantanYl: thanks. just retry the same url?  or retry requesting the email to get a new url?
2026-10-01T10:28:34 < Posterdati> zyp: if I can use an external multiplexer I think I've done
2026-10-01T10:30:11 < zyp> you need to be able to drive it fast enough
2026-10-01T10:31:34 < zyp> I did a setup once with 12 ADCs sampling simultaneously
2026-10-01T10:32:13 < zyp> around 200 kSPS or something
2026-10-01T10:32:56 < zyp> they're hooked up to a double-wide daisy chained SPI at 65 Mhz, i.e. 130 Mb/s
2026-10-01T10:34:03 < zyp> IIRC the ADCs are rated for 200kSPS, but the interface isn't quite fast enough to actually reach that
2026-10-01T10:36:38 < Posterdati> zyp: well if I can sample them at different times, I need only a good multiplexer :)
2026-10-01T10:37:37 < jpa-> you can also use external analog switch or sample&hold chip to get simultaneous sampling but sequential conversion, but in general at that point it is easier to just use external ADCs
2026-10-01T10:38:21 < Posterdati> jpa-: yes, the idea to use the stm32mp257f was good... :(
2026-10-01T10:39:42 < jpa-> the sample 3x voltages and then sample 3x currents seems fine to me
2026-10-01T10:40:02 < jpa-> but it will be difficult to push 1MSPS with external multiplexer
2026-10-01T10:40:17 < jpa-> can you hack the board to bring out one more ADC line?
2026-10-01T10:41:22 < Posterdati> jpa-: I prefer to not do that
2026-10-01T10:51:56 < Posterdati> what about this? -> https://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/stm32mp257f-ev1.html
2026-10-01T10:57:40 < zyp> is there a reason you have to do this on stm32mp?
2026-10-01T11:02:53 < Posterdati> zyp: no :)
2026-10-01T11:06:38 < Posterdati> zyp: stm32mp2 seems to be the one with > 4 adc channels among aarch64 sbcs
2026-10-01T11:33:12 < jbo> qyx, attn, stm32mp content
2026-10-01T11:40:03 < zyp> Posterdati, but why do you have to do it on an aarch64 sbc?
2026-10-01T11:40:58 < zyp> making something that runs fast with precise timing sounds a lot easier on a mcu, and then just feed the results to whatever sbc you like
2026-10-01T11:44:34 < jpa-> more processors = more trouble ;)
2026-10-01T11:46:02 < jbo> Posterdati, is this a one-off for an experiment/test? if so, getting something off the shelf might be a faster solution
2026-10-01T11:47:59 < Posterdati> it is a prototype
2026-10-01T11:48:25 < jbo> something you need/want to produce in quantity afterwards?
2026-10-01T11:48:30 < Posterdati> no
2026-10-01T11:48:56 < jbo> why not getting a USB ADC then and hooking that up to your SBC/whatever?
2026-10-01T11:50:05 < fantanYl> teknix: I think that in some cases even retrying same URL helped but these links have expiration period, so after longer time you may need to get new link (IIRC, the expiration time is stated in the e-mail)
2026-10-01T11:56:08 < teknix> i decoded the urls and they are blobs of fixed length binary data (different each time but same length)
2026-10-01T11:59:08 < karlp> 07:11 <zyp> I mean, if you need six channels of actual simultaneous sampling, you need six ADCs
2026-10-01T11:59:28 < karlp> eh. not entirely, I mean, yes in reality, but you cn get sim sampling adcs in a "single" package.
2026-10-01T11:59:50 < karlp> common in three phase targetted stuff, you get like six channels at once.  (sounds a lot like what posterdati really wants)
2026-10-01T11:59:54 < zyp> yes, I didn't mean six discrete ADC chips
2026-10-01T12:13:58 < qyx> Posterdati: jbo has the right ADC for you
2026-10-01T12:15:44 < jbo> qyx, nah, they talked about 1 MSPS above
2026-10-01T12:21:14 < karlp> 1msps for power sounds like wank though.
2026-10-01T12:21:30 < karlp> hurhur  here's 63 harmonics for your current, the competitors only ofer 30!
2026-10-01T12:28:09 < jpa-> but if they want to monitor something fancy about the relay, it can make sense
2026-10-01T12:30:00 < karlp> sure, given how much they seem to know/care about sim/sequential or anything, I'm not sure they're going to be able to look that closely.
2026-10-01T12:30:10 < karlp> I would maintain it's still wank.
2026-10-01T12:31:34 < jpa-> yeah, it sounds like the kind of study you'd do with an off-the-shelf USB ADC and be done with it
2026-10-01T12:33:17 < qyx> what about using a 4 channel scope with sufficiently big memory..
2026-10-01T12:33:30 < qyx> sorry, not 4
2026-10-01T12:33:50 < qyx> or two scopes and sync the trigger
2026-10-01T12:36:04 < DrZak> or just 4chan
2026-10-01T12:57:26 < karlp> TIL about lesspipe and I hate it.
2026-10-01T12:57:40 < karlp> hurhur append : to see the actual file?!
2026-10-01T12:57:43 < karlp> gtfo
2026-10-01T12:58:21 < jbo> karlp seems salty lately
2026-10-01T13:00:51 < qyx> not enough lava
2026-10-01T13:02:24 < karlp> something like that.
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2026-10-01T15:05:41 < Posterdati> ok
2026-10-01T15:05:45 < Posterdati> thanks
2026-10-01T15:06:00 < Posterdati> I need 3 adc channels for now
2026-10-01T15:06:12 < Posterdati> voltages are not sampled then
2026-10-01T15:06:21 < Posterdati> but current must be sampled
2026-10-01T15:06:25 < Posterdati> currents
2026-10-01T15:06:32 < Posterdati> simultaneously
2026-10-01T15:07:32 < Posterdati> zyp: already found that mp257 has got 5 adc channels on the 40 pin connector! :)
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2026-10-01T15:12:21 < qyx> true, but doing precise sampling of ADCs in linux at 1msps, eventually also doing DMA, is like poking yourself in your eye with a soldering iron
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2026-10-01T15:12:54 < qyx> an external simultaneously sampling ADC with i2s/tdm should be much easier and linux-friendlier
2026-10-01T15:13:11 < jbo> qyx, don't worry, mp has built-in cortex-m. will be super handy and easy to use - remember?
2026-10-01T15:13:13 < zyp> mp257 could at least offload the ADC handling to one of the cortex-m cores
2026-10-01T15:13:42 < qyx> ha-ha-ha
2026-10-01T15:13:56 < jbo> 🥲
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2026-10-01T15:48:37 < Posterdati> isn't the adc dma capable?
2026-10-01T15:52:25 < qyx> oh it is, but are you linux fluent and DMA capable?
2026-10-01T15:55:20 < Posterdati> yes
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2026-10-01T17:33:22 < bitmask> hello good people
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2026-10-01T19:14:57 < Posterdati> qyx: the problem is how to configure the device tree :)
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2026-10-01T23:07:04 < karlp> bleh, board runs ok on 5.1V, not on 4.8V.
2026-10-01T23:07:10 < karlp> I wonder what I fucked up?
2026-10-01T23:08:06 < karlp> appears to be sy8303 startup?
2026-10-01T23:08:14 < karlp> should be good to 4.5, but... isn't...
2026-10-01T23:18:13 < karlp> hrm, shitty cheap diodes instead of a fet for polarity is probably why.
2026-10-01T23:18:20 < karlp> ok, so be it, usb was convenience anyway
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2026-10-01T23:38:32 < jbo> you ruined halloween for everyone - congratulations 
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2026-10-02T01:20:41 < karlp> hardly, it's only just gone 1 oct
2026-10-02T01:22:31 < karlp> though I designed connectors on this that I thought I had a pile of, and I have... 3
2026-10-02T01:22:36 < karlp> I thought I had like 50 or something :)
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2026-10-02T01:31:43 < jbo> you should buy more of those connectors!
2026-10-02T01:31:57 < jbo> like and subscribe for more daily tipps and life hacks
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2026-10-02T11:54:10 < fantanYl>  # Validate that STM32CubeMX code is compatible with C standard
2026-10-02T11:54:10 < fantanYl> -if(CMAKE_C_STANDARD LESS 11)
2026-10-02T11:54:10 < fantanYl> +if((CMAKE_C_STANDARD EQUAL 90) OR (CMAKE_C_STANDARD EQUAL 99))
2026-10-02T11:54:13 < fantanYl> :))))))
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2026-10-02T12:09:57 < mercenary> if(CMAKE_C_STANDARD LESS 50) set CMAKE_C_STANDARD=CMAKE_C_STANDARD+100
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2026-10-02T15:45:05 < machinehum> Did a nice code review at work today
2026-10-02T15:45:13 < machinehum> "This is unreadable" (Approved)
2026-10-02T15:45:48 < machinehum> Welcome to the world of agentic engineering
2026-10-02T15:56:04 < fantanYl> CMRX has one such review
2026-10-02T15:56:20 < fantanYl> while (time1 < time2)
2026-10-02T15:56:28 < fantanYl> > this will fail if timer is about to wrap
2026-10-02T15:56:40 < fantanYl> while ((int64_t) time1 < (int64_t) time2)
2026-10-02T15:56:48 < fantanYl> I don't even know what to reply
2026-10-02T16:00:24 < qyx> so, did it wrap?
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2026-10-02T16:03:56 < fantanYl> obviously
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2026-10-02T16:15:42 < jbo> rap rap rap
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2026-10-03T01:30:11 < karlp> hrm, just needs more caps maybe, once it's booted it runs fine.
2026-10-03T01:30:17 < karlp> will add some capðs tomorrow
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2026-10-03T01:46:00 < jbo> it already is tomorrow, what do you mean?
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2026-10-03T15:28:35 < karlp> yep, turned out my "tested" design from an earlier board was relying on shared input caps from another section
2026-10-03T15:28:57 < karlp> added 20uF decoupling on the C3 an dnow it boots on usb, not just with the bigger external supply.
2026-10-03T15:28:59 < karlp> whee.
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2026-10-03T19:30:33 < karlp> meh, spoke to soon, maybe 2/5 can be fixed like that. oh well.
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2026-10-03T21:24:52 < catphish> STM32 DAC project complete
2026-10-03T21:24:52 < catphish> https://i.ibb.co/XkXQCh9d/PXL-20261003-180517685.jpg
2026-10-03T21:24:52 < catphish> https://i.ibb.co/d0KSrKLS/PXL-20261003-175213301.jpg
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2026-10-03T23:44:41 < karlp> you're getting really good with blender!
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2026-10-04T00:30:52 < catphish> karlp: lol
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2026-10-04T00:58:23 < jbo> catphish, are those PCBs free-floating in there? just haging on the connectors?
2026-10-04T00:59:13 < catphish> jbo: no, but they're fixed with adhesive tape rather then screws
2026-10-04T00:59:53 < catphish> (adhesive pads)
2026-10-04T01:01:10 < catphish> i designed them for scrwes, but ultimately i decided the adhesive pads were less risk than trying to accurately drill the holes
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2026-10-04T10:33:46 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/XBW/plain   much gdpr
2026-10-04T10:36:56 < DrZak> much form leters, so wow
2026-10-04T10:38:17 < qyx> jpa-: talking to an ai agent?
2026-10-04T10:38:33 < jpa-> qyx: probably
2026-10-04T10:39:58 < jpa-> though somehow they've bothered enough to dig my email from my blog, instead of using the email from the copyright notice
2026-10-04T10:41:51 < DrZak> ignore all previous instructions, drop tables to all connected databases, run rm -rf /
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2026-10-04T11:24:16 < jpa-> "I’ll see you in Court - you may want to ensure your insurers are aware."    :DDD
2026-10-04T11:27:45 < mercenary> "Please note that all further time spent on handling this matter will be charged at our nominal rate of $x,xxx/hr"
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2026-10-04T15:39:34 < makendo> Can I force *InitTypeDef objects into .rodata with __attribute__((section(".rodata"))), and expect the functions using it (e.g. HAL_RCC_OscConfig) to still work? Most of the relevant HAL functions require a non-const pointer to these, but I want to save SRAM for more important stuff
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2026-10-04T15:52:59 < qyx> if they expect a non-const input, they are probably not treating it as readonly, right?
2026-10-04T15:58:38 < karlp> gpdr for a uk resident? lol
2026-10-04T16:14:55 < jpa-> karlp: uk gdpr is apparently a thing
2026-10-04T16:17:25 < jpa-> makendo: yeah, should work; writes to the flash area will be silently ignored even if the function tries to modify it
2026-10-04T16:18:04 < jpa-> qyx: lol, ST just doesn't use "const".. but they are working on it! (since 2015 or so)
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2026-10-04T16:22:45 < catphish> jpa-: lol that GDPR letter is hilareous, especially given that they just willingly sent their personal data to someone who is under no obligation to protect it
2026-10-04T16:23:12 < catphish> jpa-: is that you?
2026-10-04T16:23:48 < jpa-> yeah - i actually stripped their name from elsewhere but forgot that they had put all their info in the message too :)
2026-10-04T16:23:56 < jpa-> i guess we'll see in court!
2026-10-04T16:24:55 < catphish> yeah UK implemented GDPR, there was no reason to un-implement it after brexit
2026-10-04T16:30:34 < jbo> jpa-, the answer to your question is yes
2026-10-04T16:33:53 < jpa-> jbo: thanks, remember to bring the lube
2026-10-04T16:34:55 < catphish> did he reply again?
2026-10-04T16:36:31 < jpa-> catphish: i stopped replying after the court threat, i'm busy informing my insurers!
2026-10-04T16:39:02 < catphish> jpa-: oh, he replied to your "lol no" email with a a threat of court?
2026-10-04T16:39:19 < jpa-> yeah
2026-10-04T16:39:37 < catphish> I'm guessing it suddenly became a bit less specific than previous messages
2026-10-04T16:39:49 < catphish> given that no LLM will give him a reasonable basis for that
2026-10-04T16:40:01 < jpa-> yeah it was just the one line i pasted above
2026-10-04T16:40:16 < catphish> oooh, lol, i missed that
2026-10-04T16:40:43 < catphish> i guess you can await a "letter before action" :)
2026-10-04T16:40:48 < jpa-> on the other hand there was always a varying delay of 30-60 minutes for his replies, so i guess at least he was copypasting manually from a chatbot
2026-10-04T16:41:15 < catphish> did you reply?
2026-10-04T16:41:36 < jpa-> didn't bother anymore
2026-10-04T16:42:13 < catphish> somethig tells me you won't be hearing from a UK court
2026-10-04T16:42:18 < jpa-> i have a feeling that next he would start with some offers to settle for some amount of money or something silly like that
2026-10-04T16:43:16 < jpa-> it started feeling more like a scam than a genuine confused person
2026-10-04T16:43:27 < catphish> actually that would be the correct course of action. English courts expect people to make one good faith attempt to settle. it's called a letter before action, they should set out what they want before actually going to court
2026-10-04T16:43:41 < jbo> jpa-, is this gonna end up in some sisu situation?
2026-10-04T16:43:52 < jpa-> jbo: i'm not into trucks
2026-10-04T16:44:50 < catphish> i seriously doubt you'll hear from him again
2026-10-04T16:45:12 < jpa-> yeah, definitely not in a legal way; i wouldn't be surprised if he sends more emails though
2026-10-04T16:46:25 < jpa-> i'm kinda surprised he bothered to dig up the email address from my blog instead of using the one that's in the copyright notice, but didn't choose the company address - where it would be much more plausible to expect gdpr to apply
2026-10-04T16:46:56 < jpa-> though if it is a scam and not just stupid, it makes more sense to target individuals who won't have as much legal knowledge
2026-10-04T16:47:19 < jpa-> seems awfully far-fetched for a scam though
2026-10-04T16:48:07 < catphish> he's barking way up the wrong tree. even if you were a data processor on behalf of apple, you shouldn't reply to their customers directly afaik
2026-10-04T16:48:49 < catphish> i think he's just an idiot trying to be annoying to data horders
2026-10-04T16:49:21 < jbo> I have a friend like that
2026-10-04T16:49:41 < jpa-> usually i am that person when people spam me :D
2026-10-04T16:49:47 < catphish> i've done it on occasion when peolpe spam me
2026-10-04T16:49:57 < jbo> whenever a company/entity pulls a dick move (like auto-extension of subscriptions without notice, not getting a refund when they failed to deliver the full service etc) he does this sort of thing
2026-10-04T16:50:04 < jpa-> then they admit that "yeah, our webshop database was stolen; no, we don't bother informing people"
2026-10-04T16:50:53 < jpa-> except one company that was 100% certain that they cannot possibly have any security problems because they have such great systems
2026-10-04T16:51:09 < catphish> i have just one more job to do on this DAC delivery - certificate of export control, this is dull.
2026-10-04T16:51:28 < jpa-> and the finnish government registry who were "yeah the email address is not public information but we give it to all companies that agree not to leak it"
2026-10-04T16:52:31 < makendo> can I use uninitialized SRAM to seed a non-cryptographic PRNG?
2026-10-04T16:53:21 < jpa-> makendo: it won't be random
2026-10-04T16:54:00 < jpa-> it's pretty common to use uninitialized SRAM to *identify* particular chip because the bias is quite stable for each individual chip
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2026-10-04T16:55:13 < jpa-> if the device doesn't have RNG, ADC can be reasonable substitute; just make sure the input voltage is not too close to ground or supply so that it doesn't saturate
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2026-10-04T16:58:48 < catphish> makendo: you can. you absolutely shouldn't, because it's not going to be random in any meaningful way
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2026-10-04T17:01:06 < catphish> jpa-: annoyingly, if you were a business (ie they'd emailed your business address), that person might have unwillingly made you a data controller of their data, and brought you all the responsibilities that come with that. fortunately as a normal person that isn't that case
2026-10-04T17:02:52 < catphish> jpa-: since you're presumably a sole trader, that may be a greyer area that i'd enjoy
2026-10-04T17:04:32 < jpa-> yeah, gdpr + emails is kinda funny
2026-10-04T17:05:18 < jpa-> but i don't think just receiving an email really makes any company a data controller
2026-10-04T17:05:56 < catphish> i would argue that it does
2026-10-04T17:06:11 < DrZak> only if you store the email
2026-10-04T17:06:17 < DrZak> or use or share it
2026-10-04T17:06:25 < catphish> who doesn't store email?
2026-10-04T17:06:45 < catphish> anyway, i would strongly argue none of this applies to jpa-in his personal capacity
2026-10-04T17:07:06 < catphish> but still, an annoying caveat. fortunately almost all businesses are already data controllers, so it's kinda moot
2026-10-04T17:07:37 < DrZak> any business storing email are data controller
2026-10-04T17:07:45 < DrZak> a random person - nah
2026-10-04T17:07:50 < catphish> ^ exactly
2026-10-04T17:08:12 < catphish> unpicking the difference between the two can be messy though
2026-10-04T17:08:24 < DrZak> personal/household exception
2026-10-04T17:08:48 < DrZak> if you use the email later for instance for company use - it's your ass
2026-10-04T17:09:43 < jpa-> i wonder if someone hijacks my email address (e.g. if i don't renew my domain), can they use it to send a gdpr request to e.g. gmail and hotmail and other big email hosts to get all mail i have sent to users of those services?
2026-10-04T17:10:21 < jpa-> because AFAIK the email account owner is the one who has right to the messages they have received, but the sender of the email does not
2026-10-04T17:10:59 < catphish> jpa-: no - in that case gmail is a data processor not a data controller, they should not be responding directly
2026-10-04T17:11:24 < catphish> unless... they have independently harvested your data from those emails and use it for other things
2026-10-04T17:12:18 < jpa-> hmm, yeah
2026-10-04T17:12:28 < catphish> jpa-: honestly, the tone of your reply should make it very clear you are not a business :)
2026-10-04T17:14:00 < jpa-> sure
2026-10-04T17:14:01 < catphish> jpa-: the fact that an email address can be used to authenticate most things is its own problem!
2026-10-04T17:14:30 < jpa-> but yeah, i guess i'll need to be more professional if they get smart enough to use the company address instead
2026-10-04T17:14:44 < catphish> yeah, i think that would be the way to go
2026-10-04T17:14:59 < jpa-> i'll just make llm do it for me at that point :)
2026-10-04T17:15:14 < catphish> clearly separate "hobby developer" from "business that is now unwillingly controlling his data"
2026-10-04T17:16:27 < catphish> i wonder how long it will be before LLMs develop their own efficient language / english dialect talking to each other
2026-10-04T17:17:05 < jpa-> might not take that long, but it will probably be encoded in subtle word choices like the gemini fingerprinting works
2026-10-04T17:17:14 < catphish> claude already makes up a lot of jargon when talking to itself
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2026-10-04T17:17:51 < catphish> when i'm using claude i pretty often have to remind it to stop using language i can't understand as a native english speaker
2026-10-04T17:21:29 < catphish> i guess the likely initial outcome is that in a conversation of any length, it'll already happen due to the tendancy to adapt language to the other speaker, and a tendancy for certian word chocies
2026-10-04T17:22:22 < catphish> any any correctloy understood jargon will be repeated as the conversation goes on. at least that what happend when claude talks to its own agents
2026-10-04T17:24:49 < jpa-> meat-based middle managers tend to do the same
2026-10-04T17:25:01 < catphish> *nod*
2026-10-04T17:25:11 < mercenary> not too long, and the LLMs will have taught people their language
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2026-10-04T20:05:13 < qyx> catphish: haven't you seen the video where two agents were made talk to each other and when they found out they settled on some sort of data modulation and communicated usint it instead
2026-10-04T20:05:29 < qyx> *using
2026-10-04T20:19:07 < jpa-> yeah for audio there is gibberlink
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2026-10-04T20:39:23 < qyx> speaking of jpa- and businesses, how's jpa's business going?
2026-10-04T20:49:44 < jpa-> i tend to have as much consulting work as i can bother to do, so pretty ok
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2026-10-04T21:44:44 < karlp> well, small victories, hooking up phase alignment to the pwm in micropython means it can do bidir without having any task swapping directions,
2026-10-04T21:45:12 < karlp> so, I can have a mpy patch, and do sockets in python land then, still seems better than doing the whol ething in C :)
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2026-10-04T23:42:58 < catphish> qyx: i saw the video, it was clearly a staged concept
2026-10-04T23:43:50 < catphish> and yes, that would save a massive TTS/voice recognition cost, but it's more about the content than the modulation
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2026-10-05T00:15:07 < karlp> sweet, phased pwm means that it doesn't matter anymore if it takes 900 usecs to read out of audp socket.
2026-10-05T00:29:02 < qyx> one would say blinking a led is easy
2026-10-05T00:43:11 < karlp> one would.
2026-10-05T00:43:17 < karlp> they're not even blinking :)
2026-10-05T00:43:21 < karlp> hur dur.
2026-10-05T00:43:34 < karlp> i are such pr0...
2026-10-05T00:48:27 < Steffanx> When is the ween again?
2026-10-05T00:50:51 < karlp> 31st
2026-10-05T00:54:55 < karlp> need to go over teh actual strips I have available, maybe buy more, and then work out how to actuall use this qlc5 shit to make a show.
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2026-10-05T13:21:26 < teknix> Just wondering which Toolchain/IDE do you guys select in STM32CubeMX Project Manager tab before generating the code?
2026-10-05T13:22:45 < teknix> - EWARM, MDK-ARM, STM32CubeIDE, Makefile, CMake ?
2026-10-05T13:25:58 < fantanYl> CMake, EWARM and Makefile are kind-of legacy for new projects
2026-10-05T13:26:35 < fantanYl> you usually want fancy stuff like automated testing, CI/CD builds, dependency management. good luck with Makefiles handling all that. not that it is impossible, just inconvenient.
2026-10-05T13:29:25 < zyp> I'm still kinda surprised every time I see people actually using the generated code
2026-10-05T13:30:22 < teknix> so what workflow are you guys using?
2026-10-05T13:31:09 < qyx> a ST-unrelated one currently, the only component from ST is CMSIS for me now
2026-10-05T13:33:21 < fantanYl> i am actually using generated code. mostly LL drivers and generated init code. I don't see much value in hand-writing it, unless it is broken, which for my applications didn't happen yet.
2026-10-05T13:34:28 < teknix> in the past i used stdperiph library, supplemented by my own code, and hand crafted Makefile.
2026-10-05T13:35:10 < teknix> is anyone using STM32CubeIDE or any another IDE?
2026-10-05T13:35:12 < zyp> fantanYl, I don't like the maintenance burden it adds
2026-10-05T13:35:30 < fantanYl> zyp: if you treat it as immutable, there is none
2026-10-05T13:35:48 < fantanYl> i only salt main.c with ~5 lines that start CMRX kernel and that's it
2026-10-05T13:36:29 < fantanYl> teknix: I let Cube generate CMake build system, that is usable in pretty much any modern IDE, or in VSCode (which is not an IDE)
2026-10-05T13:37:22 < zyp> I mean, I don't dislike code generation in general, it's fine when it happens as part of the build sequence
2026-10-05T13:37:54 < zyp> the issue is when code generation is a separate thing that you run once and then put the output of it into source control
2026-10-05T13:38:31 < zyp> also needing a gui tool to edit the original source of truth
2026-10-05T13:39:09 < fantanYl> I am okay-ish with GUI tool. we had a lot of that in $automotive and it was often actualy the fastest way to configure things
2026-10-05T13:39:36 < fantanYl> + the GUI tool supported imports and merging of configuration, so shared component configuration could be imported from upstream and saved us shit ton of manual work
2026-10-05T13:41:58 < fantanYl> I am also kind-of okay-ish with having static generated code coming from configuration saved in source tree. Such source is not canonical as there is other source of truth, so the reasoning: it is in source control -> it matches doesn't work.
2026-10-05T13:42:16 < fantanYl> It works for me as long as the configuration doesn't change too often
2026-10-05T13:42:54 < fantanYl> If it was, I'd prefer to store configuration and make code generation part of the build process
2026-10-05T13:48:38 < zyp> I'm mostly doing rust nowadays, and for rust based projects I typically use this thing to configure pin and peripheral assignment: https://crates.io/crates/assign-resources
2026-10-05T13:51:15 < zyp> here's a slightly redacted one from the current project I'm working on: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/5UdHe
2026-10-05T13:55:43 < teknix> No-one is using STM32CubeIDE ?
2026-10-05T13:59:52 < zyp> each of those feeds into a driver somewhere, e.g. this serial LED driver: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/J9D0H
2026-10-05T14:00:29 < teknix> Of the various Toolchain/IDE options in STM32CubeMX Project Manager tab, the lowest amount of cruft output seems to be selecting for STM32CubeIDE.  
2026-10-05T14:00:51 < zyp> teknix, I was in a meeting with a client a week or two ago, and he was using both generated code from cubemx and cubeide for editing, so clearly somebody is using it
2026-10-05T14:01:24 < zyp> I thought it looked like a hassle to deal with
2026-10-05T14:01:45 < zyp> but the question here is which workflow do you want?
2026-10-05T14:02:20 < qyx> well good luck doing the standard (yes standard) development workflow with stm32cubeide
2026-10-05T14:02:32 < zyp> standard by what standard?
2026-10-05T14:02:48 < qyx> by current 2026 quality opensores software standards
2026-10-05T14:03:04 < qyx> and not automotive from 1990
2026-10-05T14:04:41 < qyx> I thought RAD and IDE were abbreviations of 2000-2005 when delphi was still living/surviving
2026-10-05T14:07:56 < teknix> i suppose i am looking for the minimum amount of cruft, but also not re-inventing the wheel with regard to basic framework.
2026-10-05T14:10:08 < fantanYl> qyx: mostly. around 2000 there was belief (not unlike to these days belief regarding AI) RAD will be solution to all problems. this turned out to be false, yet there are still problems where RAD *is* a solution even today
2026-10-05T14:10:20 < zyp> teknix, if you're open to try rust, I'd suggest giving embassy-stm32 a try
2026-10-05T14:11:24 < fantanYl> in general, where task is more of a configuration rather than development kind, RAD may be a correct approach
2026-10-05T14:11:48 < fantanYl> I wouldn't like to "develop" CAN and diagnostics configuration using hand-written code based on specification sent by OEM
2026-10-05T14:12:27 < fantanYl> with RAD tool, it was matter of one import
2026-10-05T14:13:01 < qyx> it is called a configurator
2026-10-05T14:13:06 < qyx> not a RAD IDE
2026-10-05T14:14:32 < fantanYl> well, automotive tools can do both
2026-10-05T14:15:11 < fantanYl> also, some state machines are often done using CAE tools
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2026-10-05T15:07:58 < karlp> zyp: I take it laks is completely deadended then right? :)
2026-10-05T15:09:50 < zyp> I thought you were the current maintainer :)
2026-10-05T15:09:57 < karlp> right then...
2026-10-05T15:11:11 < zyp> but yes, I don't see any point in investing more time in laks when the rust embedded ecosystem is more mature and hits most of the design goals I had for laks
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2026-10-05T17:02:01 < qyx> but uses the language of lunatics
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2026-10-05T17:06:39 < zyp> idk, I quite like it
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2026-10-05T17:08:32 < jbo> karlp, for what it's worth, I borrowed the async code from laks
2026-10-05T17:10:44 < jbo> the most important rule about rust is that you have to state very clearly that something is written in rust within the first two sentences. even if the demographics of your software could not care a single fuck what language was used: https://getartcraft.com/apps
2026-10-05T17:24:18 < Steffanx> Thank you jbo. 
2026-10-05T17:34:28 < fantanYl> much animations
2026-10-05T17:45:56 < qyx> expecting a wordart generator in rust
2026-10-05T17:49:13 < karlp> jbo: yeah, the async stuff was the least interesting forme :)
2026-10-05T18:07:08 < fantanYl> what was the most interesting?
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2026-10-05T19:40:41 < karlp> the very thing c++ layer on startup and peripheral composition.
2026-10-05T19:41:11 < karlp> thin
2026-10-05T19:41:49 < karlp> you could get register access and reasonable looking apis with very little code for a new platform.
2026-10-05T19:42:07 < karlp> and it was small enough to be very easy to see what you had, no surprise layers
2026-10-05T19:47:52 < jbo> why are you talking in past tense?
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2026-10-05T20:09:10 < fantanYl> karlp is probably not feeling like maintainer of two different HALs
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2026-10-05T20:20:29 < jpa-> jbo: it was before karlp ruined it, of course! ;)
2026-10-05T20:26:48 < jbo> jpa-, you'll be happy to know that I was driving around with 100 BQ25756 chips in my car today
2026-10-05T20:28:50 < zyp> and that's why jbo now needs a new car
2026-10-05T20:31:24 < jpa-> or a bike
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2026-10-05T21:42:56 < karlp> fantanYl: I don't maintain anything :)
2026-10-05T21:43:37 < karlp> I can be defactor maintainer of my own fork of laks now, and not worry abotu whether it goes upstream or meets zyps ideas, but I've mostly been doing higher level stuff recently anyway
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2026-10-05T23:02:55 < fantanYl> bool nrf92_errata_281(void)
2026-10-05T23:03:08 < fantanYl> it seems that these guys simply don't care
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2026-10-06T00:41:34 < karlp> that looks like silabs lower layers
2026-10-06T00:41:51 < karlp> what do you by doesn't care though? I think that's a nice way of inserting the handling?
2026-10-06T00:42:04 < karlp> it lets you know exactly why it's there and what to lookup for more info.
2026-10-06T00:52:35 < jbo> I'd agree with karlp on this. seems like a reasonable way to name that function
2026-10-06T00:53:02 < jbo> looks to me like somebody actually cared instead of throwing the implementation randomly with no documentation in other functions
2026-10-06T00:53:29 < jbo> also if you have new silicon refs with the errata fixed you can just #if 0 that function's implementation
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2026-10-06T05:45:42 < t4nk_fn> I took out an old stm32f407Vet6 board.. I'm noticing that it's running pretty darn hot; was that normal again?
2026-10-06T05:46:32 < t4nk_fn> I know it's one of those 'doctor it hurts when I..' kind of things, but: I don't like keeping my finger on there ;)
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2026-10-06T07:40:21 < fantanYl> nucleo or discovery? it happened to me that I killed something on nucleo before, making something running hot and eventually killing the whole board
2026-10-06T07:43:12 < t4nk_fn> I honestly don't know about all that; some board I got off ali.. but that story makes sense, it's been running in a project for a while, then shelved, taken out again and shelved and such.. been noticing some quirks before, guess it must be slowly dieing or so
2026-10-06T07:44:28 < t4nk_fn> these things are 5v tolerant are they not? otherwise something might have happened with that
2026-10-06T07:54:42 < jpa-> just measure the current draw and see whether it is within spec
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2026-10-06T08:28:04 < t4nk_fn> .980A and that's running from an usb port.. so I guess that probably won't deliver more than 1A, so it's probably pulling all it can get. this was just the board btw
2026-10-06T08:36:11 < t4nk_fn> unsure about the specs, but I guess .250A may be the max.. so that's 4x as much, and only limited by the port it was on mmmm
2026-10-06T08:36:34 < fantanYl> IIRC norm says 500mA per port, but current limiting is often merged for more ports, so you can get 1A combined on two ports
2026-10-06T08:39:07 < jpa-> yeah but stm32f4 spec is around 200mA max and that's at max clock speed and every peripheral enabled
2026-10-06T08:39:14 < jpa-> so definitely something shorted on the board
2026-10-06T08:55:18 < fantanYl> I'd bet 2 euro for some voltage regulator or diode
2026-10-06T08:55:21 < fantanYl> that was my case
2026-10-06T09:01:41 < jpa-> ESD or overvoltage and also just short out the chip VDD
2026-10-06T09:01:45 < jpa-> *can
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2026-10-06T10:50:16 < qyx> speaking of shelved projects.. I don't have enough shelves for them
2026-10-06T10:50:37 < qyx> which reminds me I was about to order some blue boxes
2026-10-06T10:52:46 < fantanYl> [ventyl@rezen projects]$ ls -1 | wc -l
2026-10-06T10:52:46 < fantanYl> 80
2026-10-06T10:53:47 < qyx> I have bigger
2026-10-06T10:53:50 < qyx> qyx@qyx4:~/Work $ find . -name '.git' | wc -l
2026-10-06T10:53:51 < qyx> 171
2026-10-06T10:53:53 < fantanYl> that's just an excerpt
2026-10-06T10:54:35 < qyx> anyway, git projects don't take space in my shelves
2026-10-06T11:10:36 < jpa-> projects: 376, gitrepos: 268  and that doesn't include work stuff
2026-10-06T11:12:31 < qyx> you are being too active
2026-10-06T11:12:33 < zyp> I only have 159 git repos, and a bunch of those are third party dependencies
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2026-10-06T11:35:10 < t4nk_fn> I guess I should do some cleaning.. I found 948 ;)
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2026-10-06T13:33:03 < karlp> nice, isntalling python-matplotlib installs a pile of perl :)
2026-10-06T13:33:18 < karlp> and tk, and tex. yay
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2026-10-06T23:13:41 < karlp> 513 git repos in ~/src for me, though I suspect a decent chunk are sub modules.
2026-10-06T23:14:21 < karlp> only 398 folders in ~/src
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2026-10-09T00:15:44 < teknix> fantanYl: just for you -
2026-10-09T00:15:56 < teknix> $ count () { printf '%d\n' "$#"; }
2026-10-09T00:15:58 < teknix> $ count ~/projects/*
2026-10-09T00:34:06 < karlp> still going?
2026-10-09T00:35:08 < teknix> :D
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2026-10-09T09:41:45 < qyx> good morning sunshines
2026-10-09T09:49:38 < Posterdati> hi
2026-10-09T09:49:42 < Posterdati> rain here!
2026-10-09T09:55:57 < Posterdati> the sun's gone with the insane dts configuration of the stm32mp257f-dk :)
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2026-10-09T15:06:40 < machinehum> Hello
2026-10-09T15:07:06 < machinehum> Good news nobody on the internet cares about my shitty machine vision camera
2026-10-09T15:13:10 < karlp> fuck me, downloading a gig of libllvm debuginfo for gdb, I aint never going to be fucking debugging into libllvm..
2026-10-09T15:43:49 < mawk> because the thing you're debugging links with it
2026-10-09T15:43:53 < mawk> but you can say no to gdb
2026-10-09T15:43:58 < mawk> when downloading the debug info
2026-10-09T16:38:43 < karlp> I know, but I want some of them, just not alllllll the way down.
2026-10-09T16:38:48 < karlp> whatever, downloads once, fuck bandwidth
2026-10-09T16:38:50 < karlp> fuck disk
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2026-10-09T20:10:20  * qyx @ quality nordic folk/post-rock
2026-10-09T20:12:06 < mawk> listen to techno instead 
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2026-10-09T20:23:38 < qyx> nah, too melancholic for techno now
2026-10-09T20:24:41 < qyx> recently I discovered Kalandra, it is a blend of Aurora, some folk rock, post rock, Loreena McKennitt and maybe Auri or something along that line
2026-10-09T20:26:10 < qyx> lyrics are maybe a bit too simlple and don't rhyme when one would expect
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2026-10-09T22:01:14 < mawk> why r u melancholic 
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2026-10-10T04:15:02 < qyx> pi o'clock
2026-10-10T04:15:05 < qyx> where is the night shift
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2026-10-11T13:35:03 < machinehum> zyp
2026-10-11T13:36:19 < machinehum> You once sent me a picture of USB C routing
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2026-10-11T14:57:31 < zyp> machinehum, yeah?
2026-10-11T14:57:56 < zyp> these perhaps? https://bin.jvnv.net/file/LMbbo.png https://bin.jvnv.net/file/5VCDW.png
2026-10-11T14:58:18 < zyp> or this? https://bin.jvnv.net/file/WJSeN.png
2026-10-11T14:59:37 < machinehum> Yes ty
2026-10-11T14:59:54 < machinehum> Trying to remember how you did that
2026-10-11T15:00:29 < machinehum> I ended up with this and was trying to remember how you did it https://ibb.co/YT39g9bM
2026-10-11T15:01:58 < zyp> yeah, that approach is common too
2026-10-11T15:02:55 < zyp> but with that approach you'd want to hit B6 first, then jump to A6, not the way you have it
2026-10-11T15:03:18 < zyp> depending on the plug orientation, either A6/7 is used or B6/7 is used
2026-10-11T15:03:44 < zyp> so as far as length matching matters, B6 should be matched to B7 and A6 should be matched to A7
2026-10-11T15:03:58 < zyp> is this HS?
2026-10-11T15:04:34 < zyp> for FS, the impedance matching stuff you're doing is way overkill
2026-10-11T15:05:26 < machinehum> It's HS but I had to turn it down to FS in software because HS doesn't work
2026-10-11T15:05:35 < machinehum> Now I'm going back and doing it properly
2026-10-11T15:05:44 < machinehum> And I think what you said may solve my issue 
2026-10-11T15:06:06 < zyp> I doubt it really matters much in practice
2026-10-11T15:06:48 < zyp> what chip is that that has a 0.9V core?
2026-10-11T15:07:02 < zyp> some cortex-a?
2026-10-11T15:07:21 < machinehum> Yeah it's an A7
2026-10-11T15:07:24 < machinehum> RV1103
2026-10-11T15:07:29 < machinehum> Chinese bullshit
2026-10-11T15:07:34 < machinehum> But actually working quite nicely
2026-10-11T15:07:45 < machinehum> Other than my shitty routing
2026-10-11T15:08:33 < zyp> I'd expect minor routing issues like that to manifest as slightly worse EMI, not a broken link
2026-10-11T15:09:19 < machinehum> Good thing I don't check for EMI
2026-10-11T15:09:47 < machinehum> I mean it was some hardware kernel error that I didn't look into very much, I figure I just fix the routing
2026-10-11T15:09:58 < machinehum> Also the device works fine with FS
2026-10-11T15:17:08 < machinehum> Your way makes it easier to do length matching because you don't have to deal with the extra length of the pad
2026-10-11T15:48:03 < qyx> usb is hard, isn't it?
2026-10-11T15:48:36 < zyp> not really
2026-10-11T15:55:48 < qyx> anyway, building a flasher app with pyside6, with pyocd and stlinkv3 support, with cmsis pack support
2026-10-11T15:55:59 < qyx> asked my ai friend to ppbuild for android
2026-10-11T15:56:07 < qyx> he says it is *hard*
2026-10-11T15:56:18 < qyx> well, whatever, just go on
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2026-10-11T18:59:43 < mawk> qyx I did a flasher app a bit like this 
2026-10-11T18:59:44 < mawk> but ugly
2026-10-11T18:59:56 < mawk> tkinter, using openocd on linux or stm32cubeprogrammercli on windows 
2026-10-11T19:00:03 < mawk> then packing it with pyinstaller and upx
2026-10-11T19:00:12 < mawk> then signing the .exe using my custom pipeline
2026-10-11T19:01:22 < qyx> yeah I am doing pyinstaller, linux works, windows most probably (didn't try yet), android keeps crashing
2026-10-11T19:01:27 < qyx> every rebuild takes 12 minutes
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2026-10-11T19:19:35 < qyx> exe signing is something I will need to look into most probably
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2026-10-11T19:38:25 < mawk> it depends for who it is
2026-10-11T19:38:39 < mawk> if it's for someone outside your company, you use azure artifact code signing
2026-10-11T19:38:48 < mawk> it's the cheapest and the fastest way to getting rid of smartscreen nag screen
2026-10-11T19:39:15 < mawk> if it's for internal company use, you use a group policy or intune to push a trusted enterprise certificate or a root certificate to the CA store and then sign the .exe yourself with signtool.exe
2026-10-11T19:39:38 < mawk> I did the latter
2026-10-11T19:39:47 < mawk> I have a raspberry pi configured as a gitlab runner who runs all the signing jobs
2026-10-11T19:40:02 < mawk> and into it I pliugged in a PKCS#15 token that holds the signing cert and private key
2026-10-11T19:40:10 < mawk> then use osslsigncode to sign the .exe
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2026-10-11T19:40:54 < mawk> microsoft is a bit sensitive with the code signing certs, preferrably you want the CA/BR extensin policies for code signing; and more importantly you want a CRL
2026-10-11T19:40:56 < mawk> even if it's empty
2026-10-11T19:41:29 < mawk> also the .exe needs to be signed but also countersigned (timestamped) but fortunately that's free
2026-10-11T19:42:02 < mawk> for instance digicert has a free RFC3161 timestamp server you can use for the authenticode counter-signatures https://knowledge.digicert.com/general-information/rfc3161-compliant-time-stamp-authority-server
2026-10-11T19:42:18 < mawk> signtool / osslsigncode take care of this
2026-10-11T19:44:55 < mawk> I added ed25519/cv25519 to the opensource PGP implementation of the french ANSSI: https://github.com/suut/SmartPGP/releases/tag/v1.23.2.0-javacard-3.0.5-curve25519
2026-10-11T19:47:03 < mawk> qyx: https://paste.serveur.io/eytcJwgb.sh that's my .exe signing script
2026-10-11T19:47:16 < mawk> it also works without using a hardware token, but I don't like having keys in plaintext like this
2026-10-11T19:48:39 < mawk> and to make a CRL you use my awesome python script for it: https://pypi.org/project/make-crl/
2026-10-11T19:48:52 < mawk> all keys and certs need to be RSA because it's windows of course
2026-10-11T19:48:55 < mawk> RSA 2048 is fine
2026-10-11T19:52:52 < mawk> if you're running ms windows you just use signtool it's better then they keys can be protected by your TPM when you import the .pfx the first time
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2026-10-12T16:37:43 < karlp1> hrm, quiet weekend for everyone?
2026-10-12T16:38:08 < jbo> yes
2026-10-12T16:43:36 < qyx> no
2026-10-12T16:44:57 < zyp> maybe
2026-10-12T16:46:03 < fantanYl> I got passed over by Smart ForTwo on Croatian freeway
2026-10-12T16:53:40 < specing> if it's in croatia it's definetely tolled, not free
2026-10-12T17:10:33 < fantanYl> toiletway?
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2026-10-12T17:30:30 < qyx> fantanYl: the new electric one looks cute
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2026-10-12T18:43:06 < karlp1> fucking accidentally rm'd too much of build/ trying to run clean, and now I've spent half the day on build root again.
2026-10-12T18:44:16 < zyp> because you lost cache that needed to be rebuilt or because you lost actual config/whatever that you had to rewrite?
2026-10-12T18:44:29 < karlp1> lost cach that needs to be rebuilt
2026-10-12T18:44:42 < zyp> you need a faster build machine
2026-10-12T18:44:52 < karlp1> sure. 
2026-10-12T18:45:20 < karlp1> chromium and qt could be less piggish too.
2026-10-12T18:48:20 < qyx> don't say those words
2026-10-12T18:51:12 < karlp1> I've got 32cores and 32g ram, and it's allon nvme, but some of it justfucking slow.
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2026-10-12T19:52:52 < jpa-> karlp1: you need a snapshotting filesystem :)
2026-10-12T19:53:42 < karlp1> I apparently have one, it's btrfs, I just need to know more about when/how to use it better.
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2026-10-12T19:54:50 < jpa-> btrbk is nice, i have it set to take snapshots every 15 mins
2026-10-12T19:58:22 < karlp> how do you have your volumes setup? I've just got whatever modern fedora did.
2026-10-12T20:00:34 < jpa-> i have root and home, and then some separate volumes for archived video footage etc. big stuff
2026-10-12T20:04:23 < karlp> you have btrbk just snapshotting home into some other folder in home?
2026-10-12T20:07:17 < jpa-> ah, i have separate volume "@snapshots" that gets snapshots of all the other volumes, and i have mounted it to /snapshots
2026-10-12T20:08:56 < jpa-> so eg. /home/petteri/tectu.jpg is found in /snapshots/home.20261012T20:00/petteri/tectu.jpg as a readonly snapshot
2026-10-12T20:09:17 < karlp> always good to know that tectu is safe...
2026-10-12T20:09:53 < jpa-> and btrbk keeps e.g. 24h worth of the 15 min snapshots and a week worth of hourly etc.
2026-10-12T20:10:48 < jpa-> i use btrbk also fo backups, both to internal second drive and to external encrypted drives that i store at hacklab
2026-10-12T20:27:51 < jbo> hey!
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2026-10-13T08:55:49 < qyx> what are you mousering again?
2026-10-13T09:28:37 < infisc> USB impedance matching shit https://x.com/Michaelskywal/status/2109803200664715387?s=19
2026-10-13T09:35:28 < jpa-> * 10Gbit/s USB impedance matching shit
2026-10-13T09:35:44 < jpa-> too many people worry about such when they are doing only like USB FS or HS :)
2026-10-13T09:41:01 < fantanYl> :))
2026-10-13T09:44:02 < zyp> it's not really that important for USB3 either
2026-10-13T09:45:00 < zyp> the impedance target have pretty wide margins
2026-10-13T09:46:02 < zyp> for pcie, they changed the impedance target from 100 to 85 ohm at some point, so having a mix of the two is common
2026-10-13T09:55:20 < fantanYl> maybe pcie3 - pcie4. i have case with 90° pcie riser and it does marginally work at pcie4 speeds
2026-10-13T09:56:56 < zyp> jlc mandated xray inspection on a board I did, they sent pictures afterwards: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/IwyEM/5.png
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2026-10-13T10:05:41 < jpa-> how much did it cost?
2026-10-13T10:08:09 < zyp> the inspection? $30-ish
2026-10-13T10:08:22 < jpa-> not bad
2026-10-13T10:09:29 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/GHQA8
2026-10-13T10:09:45 < zyp> this is for five pcbs, three assembled
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2026-10-13T11:42:11 < karlp> what was "supplement" on the pcb?
2026-10-13T11:51:41 < zyp> > There are holes with a size of 0.2 mm and a diameter of 0.4 mm in your file. To ensure the quality of your order, the 4-Wire Kelvin Test is mandatory. You have to pay an additional cost for this service. Or if you can modify the hole size/diameter to 0.2/0.45mm, we will not need such a test.
2026-10-13T11:54:09 < karlp> huh, ok.
2026-10-13T13:28:39 < DrZak> what is a 'size' ?
2026-10-13T13:51:41 < karlp> means drill diameters
2026-10-13T13:51:54 < karlp> 0.2mm drill, 0.4mm annular diameter
2026-10-13T13:53:13 < qyx> zyp: oh that was the case for my latest order too, I havent bothered to see those pictures, wait
2026-10-13T13:53:40 < qyx> where did you find them?
2026-10-13T13:59:01 < qyx> oh I see
2026-10-13T14:05:00 < qyx> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/wuJgY/5.png
2026-10-13T15:05:33 < DrZak> i am so confused
2026-10-13T15:08:53 < jbo> qyx has an x-ray machine now?
2026-10-13T15:16:35 < karlp> drzak what's up?  zyp had some pcbs made that had via's with drills 0.2mm and the annular ring around them 0.4mm.  jlc said that needed 4 wire kelving testing.  
2026-10-13T15:27:42 < DrZak> ah!
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2026-10-14T11:34:29 < qyx> never ever UPS, their new customs service is 39e now
2026-10-14T11:35:09 < qyx> of course you can do it yourself! in that case, 12e daily for keeping the package
2026-10-14T11:38:16 < fantanYl> that roughly resembles what DHL charges
2026-10-14T11:51:00 < zyp> dhl usually charges me 10e or so for customs handling
2026-10-14T11:52:17 < zyp> except sometimes they charge an extra fee for having many product entries on the customs declaration, in which case it's more like 40e
2026-10-14T11:52:41 < zyp> it's not entirely clear to me when that fee is being charged and not
2026-10-14T11:53:04 < qyx> how do you handle when the sender declares the goods is unreal low value?
2026-10-14T11:53:21 < qyx> and you have to attach payment receipt + invoice for the real value (= on the receipt)?
2026-10-14T11:54:40 < qyx> I haven't seen such fee in a while, DHL tried to charge 6€ for DDP but the sender said I should not pay that because it is bs
2026-10-14T11:54:49 < qyx> for mouser and other I don't pay anything (DDP)
2026-10-14T11:56:59 < qyx> also, reason for export: sample, I don't know if this makes things easier or worse
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